HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet,news.admin,comp.org.eff.talk,misc.legal.computing
Subject: Re: Why we need a "Copyright:" field (was: Re: NetNews/CD  .  .  .)
Date: 16 Aug 92 12:53:23 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: Taronga Park BBS

In article <l8s3p4INN31f@ozona.cs.utexas.edu> jonabbey@cs.utexas.edu (Jonathan David Abbey) writes:
>In article <0H7IPQ2@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>|	articles individually without paying you royalties. By
>|	posting this article you are accepting full responsibility
>|	for its contents, including any third party copyrights.
>|	Do you want to do this (yn)? 

>Of course, if we wanted this to have any legal standing, the news posting
>software would have to place a "Responsibility-Acknowledged-By: " field,
>to indicate that the poster had in fact signed off on this.

There is one. It's called "From:". If they type "n" the message never
gets posted.
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From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Subject: Re: Why we need a "Copyright: " field (was: Re: NetNews/CD . . .)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet,news.admin,comp.org.eff.talk,misc.legal.computing
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga Yarn 3.4, 1992/08/12 15:49:52
Keywords: bogus description
Summary: interactive requirements on news are horse pucky.
Date: 15 Aug 92 12:25:45 PST
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica

In <1992Aug13.173025.14485@ruc.dk>, david@ruc.dk (David Stodolsky) wrote:
> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
> However, Rick's point about the difference between normal article distribution
> and archiving is crucial. On the Net there is a behavioral difference. News
> group articles are written by Networkers, not by archive readers. This is the
> same as the difference between authors and readers in the world of paper.
> The people who write articles have a role that pure readers do not have and
> they have rights that can be protected as a result. The key is whether the
> person/service has *interactive* access.

This is rediculous. I read many newsgroups from an NNTP server that
allows me to read but not post. I read others on terminals that don't
have keyboards. You're trying to tell me that those aren't usenet?

	Horse pucky,
	<mike
	
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From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet,news.admin,comp.org.eff.talk,misc.legal.computing
Subject: Re: Why we need a "Copyright:" field (was: Re: NetNews/CD . . .)
Summary: Usenet can't do ANYthing....
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:59:17 GMT
Followup-To: alt.culture.usenet
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <dsmith.713471224@aa.cad.slb.com>, dsmith@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (J. Daniel Smith) writes:
> In <1992Aug7.044953.11537@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> peterd@cc.mcgill.ca (Peter Deutsch) writes:
> [...]
> 
> Peter's comments make a lot of sense to me too.  I think USENET should
> take some steps in this area to reasonably protect itself.

I've got to respond to this if only to once again squash a
mis-conception before it takes root. 

Usenet can't DO a darn thing. Usenet, as an organization, does NOT
exist. IT doesn't exist so IT can't protect itself. Usenet has no
governing body, no executive offices, no board of directors, not even an
executive toilet (unless one thinks that  alt.flame will serve as one).

If any legal action were to arise out this entire matter, the major
distribution (backbones) sites would be hit first.  Then each and every
site that transports news to other sites would be hit (assuming any
action went that far). 

If, by your comment, you meant that ALL news-carrying sites should do
something then you are correct. I find fault with your terminology here,
not your opinion. 

No flame intended, just a corrective message

Let the games continue.....

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From: news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet,news.admin,comp.org.eff.talk,misc.legal.computing
Subject: NetNews Contract?  NOT!
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:23:01 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
X-Md4-Signature: b7912dc9665a4ec34ac24272ad279a38

In article <1992Aug17.171337.10576@gtephx.UUCP> forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) writes:
>
>In posting here, you enter into an contractual agreement - ignorance
>of the terms does not alter them in the least.]

Horse hockey.

Find me an entity or person with whom I have a valid contract with for
netnews.

You keep talking about this imaginary contract.  Are you trying to
convince yourself?

Simply repeating something often enough does NOT make it true, as much
as you might like to convince someone of the existence of this imaginary
contractual arrangement.

If there were a contract, please specify exactly what you think is
covered, what actions are required, what is the consideration, what are
the penalties for non-completion, where is the assent?
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: bongo@splash.Princeton.EDU (Ameet A. Ravel)
Subject: Re: Did anyone attend the IA convention last week?
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: liberal, fundamentalist
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:20:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.003201.4896@novell.com> mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij) writes:

>I was a panelist in the Youth Forum (thanks to all who sent
>suggestions for forum topics, esp. Ron Hira) and, as usual, it turned
>out to be a rather shallow means of discussing the issues.  However,
>we did discuss things which normally are not discussed, and I did
>learn several things.  This was because of the focus on sexism in the
>Indian culture and because of the presence of a mini-panel of
>parents. ...

Sounds interesting, Manish.  I haven't any experience with panel
discussions, but I can imagine why they might be less then stellar.
How did the issue os sexism in Indian culture get discussed?  Was it
on the "schedule", or did it emerge out of people's general
comments?  Did young men as well as women discuss the sexism?  How
(if at all) did people's views differ?

>Of politics:  My father, who's otherwise a fairly reasonable guy, generally
>a moderate, who supports Clinton but features Republican-type views on
>welfare and the "Land of Opportunity", turned to me the other night
>after Pat Buchanan's speech and said, "I agreed with everything he said."
>Which, considering Buchanan's views on everything from immigration to
>"family values" to gays and lesbians, is pretty horrifying to me.

Uggh!!  :-(  My father lined up behind Ross Perot from the start, and
couldn't understand why I was calling him "borderline fascist".  I
think he liked Perot's attitude of "getting tough" with problems, of
storming in and "fixing up" the drug problem, homelessness problem,
etc.  All I could see was images of Mussolini promising to "make the
trains run on time..."

>THIS lack of tolerance, this bleated mantra of "family values" as if
>Democrats were familial anarchists, this emphasis on conformity, this
>intolerance of homosexuality, THIS ultraconservative viewpoint reminds me
>very strongly of traditional Indian culture and what it is about it that
>I dislike.

I read somewhere that political thinking goes along two axes: social
(lifestyle choices) and economic (fiscal policies).  Yuppies, for
example, tend to be socially liberal and economically conservative;
Fundies tend to be conservative both socially and economically.  I
think you are right that a lot of Indian Americans fall into the same
camp as Fundies without realizing it.

No wonder I feel out of place in mainstream American culture as well
as "mainstream" Indo-American culture.  It's actually nice checking
in to alt.culture.us.asian-indian & reading yours and others' posts,
and realizing that there are other Indian Americans who hold socially
liberal values.

Cheers,

-- 
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Have anyone seen this film...?
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:56:53 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Hi all,

	I have seen a film which called "Where The Spirit Lives" a while
ago.  I wanted to find it, but I couldn't (and I have been told it is
no longer in distribution).  It could easily be one of the best Native
American films I have ever seen.  Does anyone know what happened to it?
and... if possible, where can I find/buy a copy of this film?

	Thanks in advance.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin


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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij)
Subject: Re: Did anyone attend the IA convention last week?
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:45:21 GMT

Mewrites (methinks, mewrites):

>I was a panelist in the Youth Forum (thanks to all who sent suggestions for
>forum topics, esp. Ron Hira) and, as usual, it turned out to be a rather
>shallow means of discussing the issues.

Meadds:

India West is opening a new Youth Section, perhaps a separate section of
the paper.  Anybody who enjoys bs'ing on the net might enjoy expressing
themselves in print.  I'm going to try it (so watch out!  Unsubscribe
while ye have a chance!  ;-)  )

India Currents also always looks for new writers. Do you people out East
get India Currents?

Keep it in mind -- if you have a strong interest in the issues, it's a
hell of a lot more satisfying expressing yourself to a larger forum IMHO.
Let me know.

(No relationship with either publication -- yet.)

Manish
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From: SALIMM@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Desi-American careers (Was Re: Did anyone attend the IA convention
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:55:40 GMT
 <1992Aug20.003201.4896@novell.com> <1992Aug20.013915.29822@news2.cis.umn.edu>
Organization: University of Maine System

Regarding "Locktors" and other things.  I think it is really sad
that 50% of Desi- Americans go after money making careers.  There
is nothing wrong with making money because I am sure most of us
would like to lead a comfortable life.  However, How are we going to
nurture leaders and individuals who can look at the broad picture,
maintain a vision of where Desi-Americans are going?  Perhaps we
should educate our parents and the older generation about the
values we find in the liberal arts.  It is all very well to have
a great job and a money making profession (there are I am sure
few who really are dedicated and really want to be doctors and
lawyers, but I am sure these are the exceptions) but how can
we change the direction of where we are going if we do not
have leaders who must have a broader vision than passing the
state exams and getting more hours to work, too busy to
smell the roses?  Comments and email regarding this is welcome.

Salim Mohammed, salimm@maine.maine.edu.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Re: Attraction and raddishes...
Keywords: Hogwash.
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:56:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.160031.29152@athena.mit.edu> tyadav@athena.mit.edu (Tapesh Yadav) writes:
>===================================
> mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij) writes:
>>Sexual attraction is the spice of life. 
>
> Alternatively: sex is the spice. 
>		Love is the meal. 
>		Friendship is the oven (where you melt cheese on raddish)
>		Personality is the cheese.
>		Dating is grocery (raddish?) scoping..
>
>		Sometimes, the oven doesn't work - alas, because the cook
>		and the raddish are incompatible. 
>
> Different individuals, different tastes.
> Note : Raddishes do walk and have a mind/personality of their own. :)

Sorry to interrupt this metaphoric bliss ..

 I am sure they walk talk and d. too
 But in my yard they do with less than two

 :-)

Sthan.
>
>T.Y.
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: sidnag@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (siddhartha.nag)
Subject: Charter
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:21:02 GMT

My netnews server recently started carrying this news group. However,
since then (last 2 days), I have seen zero articles on this newsgroup.
Is this a moderated group ? Could someone please post the charter of this
group or preferably send it me via email. I'm not sure if there is 
something wrong with my server or there is indeed zip activity on this group.

Sid

Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij)
Subject: Re: Asian-Indian Reading List
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, California
Distribution: la
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:10:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.172033.4259@draco.macsch.com> rot@mickie.id.macsch.com writes:
>I hope it doesn't get posted worldwide!

It did.

>Anyway, who's borrowing books from Manish's reading list
>from UCLA? I checked UCLA's Orion system when Manish
>posted his list, and a number of books were checked out
>the same day! And, yesterday I got a recall notice from
>URL to return Helweg, "An immigrant success story...".

Dang, they're getting read!  How about some reaction?

>If you are borrowing these books, please send me an email.
>I haven't seen any articles posted from ucla.edu
>so I'm just curious.

If you're reading these books, please send me an email as well!
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From: soam@cs.cornell.edu (Soam Acharya)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Desi-American careers (Was Re: Did anyone attend the IA convention last week)?
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:11:52 GMT
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Aug20.013915.29822@news2.cis.umn.edu>, shiv@scrapie.med.umn.edu (Shiv Prasad) writes:

|> 	In article <1992Aug20.003201.4896@novell.com> mvij@novell.com (Manish Vij) writes:
|> 	Some interesting stats from her book:
|>	 
|>	 * 50% of 2nd-gen Indo-Americans plan to be M.D.'s
|>	 
|> 	(This is fertile ground for a career thread.  I'll flame this later
|> 	when I have time.)
|> 	
|> 	
|> Obvoiusly I have the time now. 

Ditto.

!> It seems that with most immigrant parents, not just the Desis, they want 
!> unfettered success for their children.  The careers which most ostensibly 
!> offer wealth and community respect are Lawyers and Doctors (henceforth termed 
!> "Locktor).  

Ha!  My brother once made the observation that most Indian Americans he saw who came to
college were invariably <something>/pre-med.  A few adventurous ones were
<something1>/<something2>/pre-med!  Once they are actually in college however, natural 
law took over and the pre-med option was pretty much the first to go, once their
GPA began the downward slide ( excluding the smart people of course )

Oh, you should see their *anguish* when they realize

a) they won't make it into Johns Hopkins
b) or anywhere else!


!> Parents may then pressure their children
|> into these fields (doing the wrong thing for the right reason).  

I wonder how important is parental pressure versus personal motivation?  My
brother is a first year medical student and my father had a lot to do with it,
although, I am glad to say, the final decision was my brother's.  Can anyone
else speak from personal experience?


!> Quite a few of my second generation friends are in medicine. dentistry or law, 
!> some for the dedication to the field, and others for the money. 

I really haven't seen all that many IAs in law.  But this is something that
is changing and this augurs well for the Indian American community as a whole,
since law is the profession that produces the most people penultimately entering
the political process here,  not doctors or engineers ( barring Mr. Sunnunu and
I am not sure whether he was *that* great a role model to begin with ).

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Did anyone attend the IA convention last week?
Organization: -
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 23:07:56 GMT

Did anyone in the San Francisco Bay area attend the indian-
american convention last weekend? Some big names (Mrs.Bush, 
Mr.Quayle etc.) scheduled to come but I doubt if they made it.

-raghavan
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: shiv@htlv.med.umn.edu (Shiv Prasad)
Subject: Re: Desi-American careers (Was Re: Did anyone attend the IA convention
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:05:57 GMT

In article <92234.095540SALIMM@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> SALIMM@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>Regarding "Locktors" and other things.  I think it is really sad
>that 50% of Desi- Americans go after money making careers.  There
>is nothing wrong with making money because I am sure most of us
>would like to lead a comfortable life.  However, How are we going to


>lawyers, but I am sure these are the exceptions) but how can
>we change the direction of where we are going if we do not
>have leaders who must have a broader vision than passing the
>state exams and getting more hours to work, too busy to
>smell the roses?  Comments and email regarding this is welcome.
>
 Since people equate money with success, there will always be those who
go for the big $$ careers.  The rest of us just have to be satisfied that
we're doing something that we enjoy, and still hopefully living comfortable,
but not necessarily extravagantly.

From what you've written above, the leaders may not come from those who are
busy "passing state exams and getting too many hours to work."  Leaders
may come from the "rest of us" who can already see that opulence does not
define one as truly successful (spoken like the impoverished grad student
that I am).  Let's face it, if you spend you life amassing wealth, you're
giving up other things that may turn out to be equally important.

Shiv

Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: rot@mickie.id.macsch.com (Rohit Thukral)
Subject: Asian-Indian Reading List
Reply-To: rot@mickie.id.macsch.com
Organization: MSC, Los Angeles
Distribution: la
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 17:20:33 GMT

I'm restricting the distribution of this article to LA.
I hope it doesn't get posted worldwide!

Anyway, who's borrowing books from Manish's reading list
from UCLA? I checked UCLA's Orion system when Manish
posted his list, and a number of books were checked out
the same day! And, yesterday I got a recall notice from
URL to return Helweg, "An immigrant success story...".

If you are borrowing these books, please send me an email.
I haven't seen any articles posted from ucla.edu
so I'm just curious.

Rohit Thukral

rthukral@agsm.ucla.edu
rot@macsch.com

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From: msanghvi@sol.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Mehul Sanghvi)
Subject: testing
Reply-To: msanghvi@cs.ulowell.edu
Organization: UMass-Lowell CS Dept.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 05:07:05 GMT

testing posting of an article with XRN 6.17 the normal version the one thats
the best the one and only Athena version

peace

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