From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: What is this doing on page 15
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:17:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.092231.7348@netcom.com> zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:

# In article <1993Jan5.153008.8769@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

# ># >	William Safire did not give his interpretation.  He was reporting
# ># >on the OFFICIAL interpretations of the Geneva Conventions as well as
# >#         ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
# ># >its evolution.

# ># Made by whom?

# >	The international legal bodies.  I probably should not have
#                                 ^^^^^^
# >capitalized "Official" since that is indeed part of the name of the
# >publication.
 
# What bodies? The UN declared it illegal. I'm not aware of any other
# international bodies.

	The international bodies that since the creation of the Geneva
Convention have had to deal with interpreting it.

	As to what the UN declared, those were POLITICAL votes, not legal
ones.  How many times must this be repeated.

# ># >	The US and the world are making POLITICAL, NOT LEGAL, statements.
# ># >When Bush Baker & Associates wanted the State department to issue a
# ># >legal opinion with your interpretation, they had to get some third
# ># >rate flunky to do it.  None of their top lawyers would because they
# ># >knew it was bogus.
 
# ># WOW! you must be conected! You know all the legal experts in the State Dept.
# ># and their official rating as well. Care to produce any refrences to any of
# ># this crap.

# >	William Safire.  And he is well connected.
 
# You are just repeating what Safire said. He has not cited any names. He highly
# biased towards Israel and hardly considered an impartial judge. He's using
# cheap tricks such as claiming a  "third rate flunky" without any proof.

	You are certainly entittled to your opinion of Safire.  And I
will even grant he leans towards Israel.  However, I have never seen
any charge that he is dishonest.  I am also inclined to believe based
on your behavior in this thread that if his source walked right up to
you and admitted it you would still raise some objection.

# >	Your response is bogus and even if it were not,it still does not
# >answer the question.  Why did the Arab war against the Jews start long
# >before there was an Israel?
 
# It's funny how you pass judgement an my statement without explaining why or
# justifying your judgement!

	The explanation and justification were implied by the question.
Are you honestly trying to tell us you did not get it?

# The arabs' war against the jews was an attempt to
# prevent the establishment of Israel. The fact that the jews wanted to
# establish a "jewish state" on part of the country regardless of what the
# native population wanted was not beknown to the world. The issue is not A
# palestinian homeland or state. It is whether they can be allowed to exist as
# equal beings with full human and civil rights in the land of their birth.

	I will not go into the mumbo jumbo you raise.  Instead, I will
repeat my question.  Why did the Arab war against the Jews start BEFORE
all of this?  I will also add two more questions.  Why did the Arabs
take this war to Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria where the
Jews were OPPOSED to the creation of a Jewish state and where they had
been living for centuries?  Also, why did the Arabs continue the war
against the helpless Jews living in their countries who had absolutely
nothing to do with the establishment of Israel?

# There are 3 alternatives:
# 1) give the non-jews the same rights as the jews.
# 2) transfer the non-jews to where they came from :-)
# 3) the status quo. hold 2 million under military occupation and 2 million in
# refugee camps.
 
# Which would you prefer.

	None of them.

	Allow those Arabs who are willing to live their but promise to
accept the Jewish nature of the state and do nothing to change it to
remain with full civil rights.  The rest can be put on buses and taken
to the border.

# ># Why don't you annex the "liberated" areas and
# ># give the inhabitants the vote? 

# >	First of all, there is no need to annex what is already yours.
# >Second of all, inhabitants there do vote.  Third of all, if the Arabs
# >there were allowed to vote, in the not so distant future they would
# >outvote the state of Israel.
 
# Ya, the jewish settlers can vote. So much for democracy then.

	Voting is not democracy?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

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