From: rich@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Rich Schwartzman)
Subject: Re: libercommunism the new quick fix
Organization: Sometimes
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:15:43 GMT

In article <C17x1K.BGt@dscomsa.desy.de> Hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:
}In article <1993Jan18.213724.14695@genie.slhs.udel.edu>,
}rich@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Rich Schwartzman) writes:
}
}|>}As with many "Libertarians" Richard B. Schwartzman seems to be rather
}|>selective
}|>}in his condemnation.
}|>
}|>Guilty as charged.  I only condemn those things I think need to be
}|>condemned.  The immature nature of the above cited personal attack 
}|>is one of those things.
}|>
}|> He seems to regard the Kaldi post which implies that all
}|>}Canadians have no right to post to the net as somehow being deserving of a
}|>}respectfull response.
}|>
}|>There is not nor was there any such implication.  The Kaldis response to
}|>the post from Canada was uncalled for and he was called on that by another
}|>poster.  That crticism was done without sophomoric scatalogical innuendo.
}

Perhaps I was unclear.  There was no implication in my remarks.

}Untrue. This is the position of Kaldis. He maintains that only US citizens are
}fit to comment on US politics and has posted to this effect on a large number of
}occasions.
}
}
}|> Given that I have known many "Libertarians" who hold
}|>}Kaldis type Xenophobic views this is not improbable. Certainly many of the
}|>UK
}|>}Libertarian faction of the Tory party supported South Africa over apartheid.
}|>}
}|>
}|>Such assertions have been made in every one of Mr. Hallm-Baker's posts.
}|>However, the only proof ever offered are more of his own assertions.
}
}Since you never asked for it what do you expect?
}

Touche.


}Since you won't beleive any post from me the best thing to do is to contact the
}persons directly:-
}
}
}Send a letter to Pete Fleet c/o Southampton Itchen Conservative and Unionist
}association, Southampton, Hants England. He is the conservative agent and will
}be quite happy to tell you his views on the matter.
}
}Alternatively you can contact the Monday Club at Orlando square. You should ask
}for literature on Rhodesia and South Africa and their position on it. The
}position of the Monday Club as a racist pressure group within the Tory part is
}well established within the political literature, consult for example "The Tory
}Party from Peel to Thatcher" by robert Blake (1984).
}
}I have several internal documents from the Monday Club including a list of
}candidates for election, this list contains several members who are members of
}the Libertarian faction.
}

Perhaps I'm misreading you, Phill, but based on the above you seem to be
equating Libertarians with Conservatives and racists, yet in another post,
to which I just replied, you correctly define a Libertarian as one who is
active in the defense of liberty.  Which is it?  If you assert the former,
we disagree.  If you assert the latter, we are in agreement.


}
}|>Now it is time for my questions to Phill Hallam-Baker:  Do you think any
}|>individual or group of individuals has the right to initiate  an act of
}|>force or fraud?  Yes or no?
}
}Given that you intend to redefine the definition of force or fraud beyond those
}which are commonly accepted within society an answer is not possible within you
}terms of reference.
}
}If you are willing to accept the commonly accepted definition of force and fraud
}in the same manner as murder is defined, ie excepting acts sanctioned by society
}such as execution or killings by policiemen or soldiers then I can answer in the
}affirmative.
}
}If you are unwilling to accept the above then I would appreciate your
}condemnation of Bush's attack on Iraq which according to the New Right
}Libertarian position constitutes an act of force. Alternatively you can try to
}argue otherwise. 
}

Bush's attack on Iraq is condemmed.  I addressed this in the other post. 


}--
}
}Phill Hallam-Baker


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