HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: avi@seal.imagen.com (avi zelmanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Japanese Antisemitism
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:46:23 GMT
Organization: none

>EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David writes:
>There is even a Japanese group who consider themselves to be Jews and 
>who are descendents of one of the lost tribes

I assume you're referring to the "Makoya" (sp?) clan.
If so, I wouldn't put them in an article about Japanese Antisemitism.
On the contrary, while their views as descendants of the lost tribes
may seem ridicolous and unsubstantiated to us (as they may or may not be)
they are most definitely Jew-lovers, not haters. They often visit Israel
and were even guest sof honors in Bar-Ilan university (the only religious
university in Israel). I believe their members number in about 50,000.

>I remember reading somewhere that Japanese antisemitism is quite different
>from "normal" western antisemitism. Because they think that Jews control the
>banks, the media, the governments etc they would like to understand how Jews
>allegedly do this and assume this role themselves.

Correct. They refer to and quote the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" as if 
it was the Bible itself. The above "Protocols" allegadly claim that the Jews
essentially control the world, especially the financial world.

Nevertheless, the Japanese have boycotted Israel and have not had any trades
with it (following the Arab Oil boycott) until very recently. That of course
SHOULD have proved to them that if they can get RICH (as they are) without
trading with Jews, (as they did) then something in their theory must be flawed...

Of course, Antisemitism on one side and logic & facts, on the other -
don't usually mix together, very well...
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Call for Participation in soc.culture.jewish Survey
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:51:54
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: soc
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In-reply-to: faigin@aero.org's message of 8 Jan 1993 20:45:07 GMT

On 8 Jan 1993 20:45:07 GMT, faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) said:
> This reminder message, including the current
> statistics, will be posted on the 1st and the 15th of each month during this
> period.

I know I said the 1st and the 15th. This posting (1/8/93) was (a) a test of
the automated posting of the survey message via cron, since it didn't seem to
work right on the 1st, and (b) a reminder for folks to send in their entries.

We now return you to your regular signal-to-noise ratio.

Daniel
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: memco@cns.nyu.edu (Matthew Merkelson)
Subject: Re: Who did Cain marry? (David Question)
Reply-To: memco@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:01:08 GMT

In article 4776@cbnews.cb.att.com, ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:

>
>The Torah prohibits incest, and the sages tell us by the time of
>Noah, incest was prohibited.  Yet that didn't prevent it from
>occurring.  Even King David is descended from an incestous
>relationship, after all.
>-- 
>Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus


What were the circumstances? This is the first I've heard of this.

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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: JforJ ad in Newsweek
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:12:52 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Hillel quotes some text from the Messianic Jews which strikes me as
quite humerous.  It's also quite scary, considering that it works on
so many individuals.

In article <1993Jan4.191543.8723@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:
>|------------- From the "UMJC" ------------------------------- 
>|
>| From: Harvey.Smith ... (Harvey Smith)
>| Subject: Doctrinal statement of the UMJC and
>|          the Messianic Jewish Computer Net.
>| Message-ID: <139891.2A95C447@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>
>| Date: 21 Aug 92 17:01:06 GMT
>| 
>| As Messianic Jewish believers we believe:
>|
>| .....
>|
>| 4. our eschatology is as fortold in Matt. 24, Revelation etc..
>|    Most are Pre-Millenial without dispensationalism.(overlaping
>|    dispensations).

Interesting.  I wouldn't think that any Jew could be convinced of
anything with a reference to the so-called new-testament.  If one wants
to try and convince me, one should use a book that I don't consider a
work of fiction....
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From: milst1@cislabs.pitt.edu (Martin I Lewison)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Subject: Help!  Lost Megabyte!
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:58:30 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: pa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Hi.  I accidentally trashed the MegaByte of Torah on the month of Teves.
Would someone please email it to me?  I've limited this post to PA.

Thanks.

-Martin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923)
Subject: Re: Orthadox Judaism and women
Organization: NetCom -- OnLine Communication Services
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:18:48 GMT

In article <4912@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>In article <1993Jan10.025405.26766@netcom.com> horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923) writes:
>>
>>What I object to is the implication that Orthodox Jewish
>>women are made "dumb" or "stupid" by their religion. I
>>know far too many Orthodox Jewish women who are professionals
>>in the business and academic world, to take your comment as
>>anything but autobiographical. If so, perhaps you should
>>find a better group of Orthodox Jewish males.
>
>Might you make the same objection and analysis of the situation
>on behalf of Orthodox Muslim women?

What -- that Orthodox Muslim women are not made "dumb" or "stupid"
by their religion, or that you should find a better group of
Orthodox Jewish males?

Perspiring minds want to know.
-- 
Jonathan B. Horen       | A man should not strive to eliminate his complexes,
SysAdmin/SrTechWriter   | but to get in accord with them; they are 
Tel: (408) 736-3923     | legitimately what directs his conduct in the world.
Email: horen@netcom.com |                     -- Sigmund Freud
From: sg04@gte.com (Yechezkal Shimon Gutfreund)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: ACLU/AJC Menorah Police?
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:07:04 GMT
Reply-To: sg04@gte.com
Organization: GTE Laboratories, Inc.

In article 93Jan2150447@underprize.think.com, rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes:
]In which case I assume that you think Cincinnati was correct to let the
]KKK put up its cross?
]

Yes, on two accounts (1) I don't see any legal basis for denying them the
right. (2) I don't see any basis in a pluristic society to be able
to have the state decide what is "correct" speach or not. That does
not mean that there is not destructive harmful speach. But only that
I see no way that state regulations can control this. It has to
be done by non-state means.

]As it happens, the state can't forbid individuals from, say, praying on
]public land (via the free exercise clause).  The issue is when public
]funds are used to pay for expressions of particular religions.

Most Chabadniks careful to put a sign at the base of the Menorah
stating who is sponsering the Menorah, and a statement that no
public money is being used.

Do you think that a simliar statement will ever get placed outside
of the stadiums of the "baseball religion"? :-). 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: khaikin@pike.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin)
Subject: Re: Jews for Germans
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:01:12 GMT

In article <93004.225831PC2370A@auvm.american.edu> Peter M. Cohen <PC2370A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>NOT YOU(Nazis) OR ANY BASTARD ARABS CAN KILL US OFF !!!!
>

Amen! 

Thanks,
Dima
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  "A word is worth one coin; silence is worth two."_____ The Talmud.
  "Silence is good everywhere, except in connection with Torah."____ The Zohar.
  khaikin@cis.ohio-state.edu  ( Dmitry Khaikin, Columbus Ohio )
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Talmud on determining sex
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:03:08 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Dec27.200136.5644@cbnews.cb.att.com> ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
>  I had heard that the reason a woman is "unclean" for two weeks
>after the birth of a girl, but only one week after the birth of a
>boy, is so she can attend the brit.   I don't know if this is a
>"cute" response or a real one.
>
>But I would ask if the "normal" time is one week but a girl causes
>the time to extend to two weeks, or if it is normally two weeks but
>the birth of a son reduces the time to one week.

Well, there is no answer, being a chok, but here's my explanation:

I seem to recall learning (in a mishna somewhere, I think) that
sometimes, a girl-child may be born with menstrual blood (from the
hormones in the mother's body), and this does make the child "impure"
just as an adult would be.  So the mother remains "impure" for the
full two weeks of nidda in case the child requires it.

After the parents assume responsibility for minors, and they don't get
more minor than this!
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From: sdubin@igc.apc.org (Stephen Dubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Anu Uvaale Chaim etc
Date: 10 Jan 93 14:13:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1473600027:000:1134
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!sdubin    Jan 10 06:13:00 1993



As a veterinarian and, b'koshi, a Jew; I am often called upon to discuss
the Jewish  viewpoint regarding non-human animals and our relationship
to them.  
I have particular difficulty in discussing sh'chitah since I am a 
vegetarian and I believe that the T'nach points ultimately towards a
vegetarian lifestyle.  I have a book in Hebrew - Anu Uvaale Chaim -
by Dr. Aleph Shoshan to which I refer often.  Unfortunately many people
do not read Hebrew (scandalous as that may seem) and they don't always
want to take my word.  Does anyone on this list know of a translation of
Dr. Shoshan's book or some other text (book or article) which treats
of the Jewish viewpoint towards non-human animals in an objective and
comprehensive manner?  Although the topic most brought up to me is
sh'chitah, I am also interested in viewpoints on medical and instructional
use, use for clothing (fur, wool, silk etc), use for sacramental objects
(t'fillin, klaf for scrolls, etc) as well as viewpoints about the resumption
of the korbanot.  I am particularly interested in items in English -
electronically accessable is, of course, specially nifty.
From: steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (JLE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Orthadox Judaism and women
Date: 12 Jan 1993 04:10:41 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <1it88e$sd0@agate.berkeley.edu> schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu (Richard Schultz) writes:
>In article <4912@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan10.025405.26766@netcom.com> horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923) writes:
>
>## What I object to is the implication that Orthodox Jewish
>## women are made "dumb" or "stupid" by their religion. . . .
>
># Might you make the same objection and analysis of the situation
># on behalf of Orthodox Muslim women?
>Where's Yakim Martillo when we really need him?  :-)

I guess a disgusting man is needed here?  A man that actually put
down pure muslim women just because he hates islam.  I guess
you are a fan of his and should be classified in his class.

Don't be irritated with such silly insults Anisa, I think you
know that he's refering to the circumcision issue here.

jle
From: bibr0027@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: A request:  the origin of a family name needed.
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:36:19 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I was wondering if any one here knowns if the family 'LAWEN' or 'LOWEN'
is jewish in origin?

My parents are from sothern Lebanon.  People from our
village say we fleed from Israel about 5-6 generations ago or something
like that.  Being Orthodox, my grandmother likes to read alot in
the bible.  She says "Lawyene" translated is from a holy family? hmm
Does anyone here known what the nanes of Mosses' parents
were?  Family names, I mean.  If someone could ask, it would help me a great 
deal.  Maybe if I could get an answer....this would help me answer
some misteries on my origins.

I do know that there are some 'Lowen, Lowenstein, Lowenberg' jewish people in
the states.


Any observations or answers would be greatly appreciated.


Allah Maghkum


John Lawen
From: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Rock/Pop Stars
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:55:50 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/trn/lib/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu

In article <1993Jan4.155707.11781@bony1.bony.com> billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp) writes:
>He [Sammy Davis jr]  was originally a Christian who converted 
> to (Orthodox/Conservative/Reform?)

I believe the answer is Reform.

>Judaism.  Reportedly he "returned" to Christianity before his death.

There were certainly rumors to this effect, and Sammy's behavior
regarding religion was definitely a little odd. At one point he
was supposedly consorting with Satanists, etc. etc. However, 
"official" sources close to Sammy denied that he had renounced 
his conversion to Judaism and a (Reform) rabbi was asked to 
officiate at his memorial service. 

>Question: Is he still considered a (apostate) Jew by all 3 forms of
>Judaism?

Was he ever?

-- 
________________________________________
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		|	(Unless you happen to agree.)
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:44:24 CST
From: <U60019@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
 <1993Jan8.225321.1@vxdesy.desy.de> <1993Jan9.025146.4294@Princeton.EDU>
 <1993Jan9.132535.1@vxdesy.desy.de> <C0LI8z.Mxt@news.cso.uiuc.edu>


In article <C0LI8z.Mxt@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore
Levine) says:
>
>godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:
>
>(Re Germans...)
>
>>I lived there for two years from 1990 - 92.  Is that okay?  The fact that    r
>othe
>>countries perform atrocities does not excuse the Germans theirs, and I do
>>not single out the Germans at all - it is just that this posting concerned
>>the Germans.
>
>Laurence, why don't you tell s.c.j. how many other ethnic groups
>you've excoriated in your postings? I know you posted many times
>to sci.research.careers, with the same sort of stuff about Canadians..
>
>Are there any ethnic groups you like?
>
>Lenore Levine

Well, probably the Laurencians living on Planet Godfrey in the
galaxy of mindless hatred. Oh, why doesn't Mr. Hateful join the
flame-war in rec.sport.soccer, where he could easily release
his aggressions (and build up some more while reading the
answers, just as he does here), instead of bothering peaceful
people in this group? :-(

As he is so superior to all others that he has the right
to condemn others, it should really spared him to waste
his precious life and intellect dealing with ugly germans.

What a pity he didn't get lost in the Synchrotron :-(
He might have enjoyed it there (a lot of bling bashing!) :-)

I am really sick of people that can't imagine being wrong
from time to time (YES, this does apply to Lutz Vieweg, too!).

Sad about this hateful world,  VOLKER

==============================================================
Volker Kleinschmidt, University of Illinois at Chicago
u60019@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl)
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:41:51 GMT

mstern@wam.umd.edu (Michael Stern) writes:

>Yes, but they did not have a 'Final Solution' for all Communists
>as they did for all Jews.  They killed the Communists for political
>advantage, nothing more nothing less.  They developed a master plan
>of systematically exterminating all Jews for no particular political
>or monetary advantage.  They destroyed teh Jews for no apparent
>reason other than that they were Jews.
Yes, but the idea of antisemitism was not a german idea.
Hitler for example was just a follower of the antisemitic
ideas of Gobineaus (a frenchman) and Chamberlain (an
Englishman). He came to political power because
of many different reasons we can discuss if you want to
and then he started make his own mad ideas reality.
You can ask why so many Germans were silent.
I would say because of fear. If you must be afraid
for your life many people become an egoist.

>What I wroteorte  above is not at all bullshit.  it happened more often
>than not in the days of my grandfather.  He lost many a comrade to
>sadistic German troops who took great pleasures in torturing a 
>Jewish partisan to death.  But, with a name like 'Jurgen', i do not 
>expect YOU to understand.
Well, well. It is easy to blame somebody because of his
name if no arguments are left.
But by the way: Michael is a common German name as well.
And Stern is german too.


>Dear Jurgen, the Nazis have enough apologists in the US.  Historical
>revisionist is rampant in academia, including that most respected
>seat of learning, Mt. Holyoke.  What revisionists cannot erase, however,
>are the memories of those like my grandfather, who were there and 
>lived through the horrors of the Nazi genocide. Facing up to their
>ugly past is the only way the Germans of today will be able to
>learn to deal with it, and rid themselves of any further Nazi
>inclinations.  
Yes. But we should be objective and not subjective in judging 
people. 

Bye,
  Christian


-- 
"There're so many different world, so many different suns,
 but we have just one world, though we live in different ones"
- Dire Straits "Brothers in arms"
Christian Lampl - stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de - aka Ray at the IRC
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mswihart@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael R Swihart)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 05:33:19 GMT

In article <9301072250.AA02675@cyclone.sbi.com> <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)> writes:
>dcs@witsend.tnet.com (D. C. Sessions) writes:


>As to the beliefs of the convert, well, that's a funny question.
>(That's funny-strange funny, not funny-ha-ha funny.)  The issue is
>not what the convert ends up accepting, since if that were the only
>concern, he/she could convert without a rabbi or beit din.  The issue
>is whether he/she ever converted, *after which* the belief would be
>secondary.  As I've previously stated, once the person has converted
>properly [loaded word], he/she is a Jew in every way.  Just as a
>native Jew without the belief is still a full Jew, so the convert
>remains a Jew.
>

If I am understanding that last part correctly, a native Jew ( or
a convert after the conversion ) can hold basically any belief
on any issue and remain a full Jew. I would be _most_ interested in
knowing the source and basis for this idea.

Does this mean a Jew could even believe that there is no G-d, yet
still be a Jew? If this is so, why is it that one
sometimes sees the idea that a Jew that is an X is not a Jew? 

Ignorant but curious,
M. Swihart


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Jews for Germans
Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:47:30 GMT

In <1993Jan3.214501.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:


  I am disappointed that no-one has responded to my enthusiastic appeal
  for members of "Jews for Germans", as organisation of Jews who, like me,
  think that Germans are the most inspiring and wonderful people on earth.

We don't want to play with you here, why don't you run along now?
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: DEATH THREAT TO THE JEWS
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 13:29:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.163106.10006@ac.dal.ca>, black@ac.dal.ca writes:
> 
nonsense deleted
> who are obviously guilty of that same supposed crime.  My suggestion to the
> Jews who are asking for the arrainment of Farrakhan is this, leave this brother
> alone.  If you as a people can't deal with the truth then GET THE HELL OUT!!!
> 
> 
> Dr.Kwame Assad BA(Hons) MA  PhD(Oxford)  

The normal abbreviation is OXON - are you trying to impress us?  Would you
not know the correct way to state your qualifications if you went to Oxford?
I am a little suspicious.

Laurence