From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 23:25:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.212612.12113@panix.com> nina@panix.com (Nina Yuan)
writes:
>In <1992Dec30.040657.18902@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU
>(Dwight Joe) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec30.030827.13697@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
>>ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
>>>pretentions of following, ask him to clarify what he means when he insults
>>>someone for having a Chinese-cu *name*.)
>>I don't insult anyone for having a Chinese-cu name.
>>Chancellor Tien of the UC-system has a Chinese-cu name, and I have
>>said repeatedly that we can't tell whether he is Chinese-cu merely from 
>>his name.
>What exactly is a *Chinese-cu name*, Dwight?  Oh, you mean a *Chinese* 

A Chinese-cu name is a name is traditionally associated with Chinese-cu
culture; for example, all Chinese-cu names are derived from Kanji.

"Yuan", "Hu", etc. would be Chinese-cu names.  Similarly, "eggrolls",
"Peking duck", etc. are Chinese-cu foods.

However, having a Chinese-cu name or eating Chinese-cu food does not mean
that one is culturally Chinese-cu.

>name, I guess, or maybe a *Chinese-ge* name, since names are usually
>inherited.

Only a Chinese-cu would make a comment like that.  A Chinese-cu name can
be wiped out; however, the genetics that give Chinese-ge their skin color
cannot be wiped out.

For example, Ms. Yuan can change her name from "Nina Yuan" to
"Nina Wellington", but she cannot change the genes in her skin that
give her the skin-color of a Chinese-ge.

By the way, "names are usually inherited" is a typical verbal trick by
Chinese-cu people.

>So lets get back to Alan's original question (which seems to have been
>deleted from Dwight's followup): "So, does silence intrinsically condone
>an offensive statement or action?  Am I morally obligated to object to
>*every* racist remark or act?"
>...

Here is another typical Chinese-cu comment.  But then, Ms. Yuan is Chinese-cu,
isn't she?

No _particular_ person is obligated to object to every racist comment.
Similarly, when I point out Chinese-cu bigotry, narrowmindness, and
crappiness, I am not obligated to point out the same for Japanese-cu culture.
(I have said this 4 or 5 times now.  I guess that Chinese-cu people have
trouble with Western-cu reasoning.)

What I am an saying is that there is a difference between a single person's
response (or lack thereof) and a _group_ of people's response.  I'm surprised
that Chinese-cu twits lack the intellect to make this distinction.

Among a large group of people, a lack of response suggests something to me.
If among 100 employers, no Japanese-American is promoted to CEO, then
that suggests possible discrimination to me.  However, I would be unable
to go to a _particular_ employer, say Chang Industries, and accuse them
of having a glass ceiling against Japanese-Americans.  Perhaps, in that
company, there might be no qualified Japanese-Americans.

However, it seems highly unlikely that among 100 companies (Chang Industries,
Won Eggroll Inc., etc.), there are no qualified Japanese-Americans.  If
we enlarge the group to 10,000 companies and find that there are no
Japanese-Americans, then we might safely conclude that there is discrimination.
I.e.  We can show that discrimination probably exists, but we cannot prove
that any _particular_ company is discriminating.

Incidentally, (my hypothetical example aside) this is why it is difficult
prove that a glass ceiling exists in a _particular_ company even though we
can prove it's _probable_ existence for the entire American economy
(a large group of companies).

So, let's get back to my original point.  When I say that "_no_ Chinese-cu
Chinese-ge objects to a statement that Chinese are inherently non-violent",
I am saying that the group of Chinese-cu, collectively, is exhibiting racism.
Why?  Because I have just asserted that, in this whole group of Chinese-cu
on USENET, no _one_ came forward to object to this obviously racist assertion.
I.e. _No_ bloody Chinese-cu came forward.  (BTW, this particular statement
is a "real" one and is taken from another newsgroup.  Yep.  No Chinese-cu
came forward to object.  Typical.)

I am _not_ saying that everyone should object.  I am _not_ saying that any
particular person should object.

But the fact that _no_ one has said anything suggests something to me.
I read some other newsgroups, where I rarely post, and I often notice that
there's almost always some Japanese-cu or Western-cu who would object
to such racist statements.

This contrasts to Chinese-cu bigotry, racism, and narrowmindedness.

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