From: v131p9t3@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ninstar Cybermage - Back Again from the Mists!)
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Subject: Re: Blistering Flame: Response from the Author
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:35:00 GMT
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In article <1992Nov10.224030.21123@midway.uchicago.edu>, moh2@midway.uchicago.edu writes...
>Higher?  At least you didn't say 'merely physical'....but your
>sentiments, though sweet, are not universal.
That's nice, but he isn't required to be universal.  His poem is about
a speaker, and possibly himself, but not about the universe.

> 
>>Once again, you confuse love with lust.  Yes, I'm sure the speaker would like
>>to do those things, but I disagree with your statement.  The speaker, although
>>human, would still like to simply hold her within his arms more than anything
>>else.  Holding is not hugging.  I think most people know that holding
>>implies a bit more.
> 
>Huh?  You're assuming a hell of a lot about what other people know.

I don't think so.  I agree with his statement about hugging and holding and
most people that I've talked to on the subject feel the same way.  There is
a big difference between when I give my friends a hug before and after a 
party/D&D game/visit/lunch/whatever and when I sit on the couch holding my
wife for a good hour or so while we talk, watch TV, confuse our daughter,
etc.

>I'd pretty much equate holding and hugging....now caressing, stroking,
>fondling - those are something else entirely.

As my comment above.  Caressing stroking and fondling are for another occasion
as well.  (definitely not in front of my daughter 8-)  )

>>By the Way:  If your thoughts on love are mirrored by what you wrote in your
>>             response, maybe you should stick to writing about salads.
>btw, yourself - I thought Marek was kind of hard on you to begin with,
>and throughout this article you've been fairly polite and objective,
>even if I disagree with you, but I'm afraid that postscript kinda blew
>it.  You deserve whatever you get......as, no doubt, all of us do.

Right, well I halfway agree with him.  His comments were indicative of an
exploitive person whose ideas about love are very different from those of
people who are, say, happily married or at least in a good relationship.
Even if he isn't that sort, he gave the impression of being one who cares
only about a persons body and believes everyone else is the same.  He certainly
has no right to call the author a liar about anything he says in his poem.
He's not required to be true, and based on Marek's comments I see no reason
that he should be qualified to judge the truth of anyone's works anyway.

Mind you, I don't think this relegates him to writing poems about salads, but
to me his comments seemed rude, malicious, unconstructive, and highly offensive.
If he wants to be that way then he can save it for his poetry.  He has no right
to address others in this fashion.

James Shank           	#		v131p9t3@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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