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From: halpin@xcalbr.dsg.dec.com (Steve Halpin)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: Mac accelerators and A/UX 3.0
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:15:45 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <dmanning.712260444@cwis> dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu (David Manning) writes:
>jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes:
>
>>If you go for the IIfx logic board swap, it'll run about $2000 plus another
>>chunk of change for replacement RAM... In fact, you may no longer be able
>>to _get_ the IIfx board.
>
>As of late May, the IIfx upgrade was still available, for a list price of      
>$2599. You should be able to get if for about $2000, like Jim said.
>
>IMHO, however, the Daystar path is a better one. It goes directly through
>the processor socket, replacing the existing 030 on the IIx, plus you
>don't have to worry about the oddness of the IIfx. Daystar is also good
>with respect to customer support.
>
>>If you do get the IIfx board see if you can find someone with a II who wants
>>to upgrade to a IIx... You sell him your IIx logic board and you take
>>his/her II board and then upgrade to the IIfx... The selling price of your
>>IIx board will offset the upgrade cost to the IIfx.
>
>Isn't capitalism great? :-)

    <<Neatly formatted trailers deleted>>

I upgraded to the IIfx logic board when the Quadra first came out, and I still
think it was the right decision.  First, A/UX for the Quadras was six months
away, and second, because I ended up with a 32-bit clean ROMs.  I vaguely
recalled reading that the serial port bug didnt exist in the IIfx drivers either
(theyre different due to having peripheral processors to handle that IO.)
The latest rumor mill says the Quadra 950 uses the same serial chips to offload
the main CPU.  Someone with more information/perspective can comment on how
correct/significant this is.  -Steve
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From: tody@noao.edu (Doug Tody)
Subject: Re: Mac accelerators and A/UX 3.0
Reply-To: tody@noao.edu
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:21:26 GMT

In article <4130@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk>, dominic@onions.natcorp (Dominic Dunlop) writes:
> I have a Mac IIx and I want to make it run A/UX faster, as a possibly-
> cheaper alternative to trading it in for a Quadra 700.  Anybody around
> here had any success with accelerators and A/UX?  Last time I asked,
> the Radius Rocket disn't support A/UX.  Anybody know whether Daystar's
> PowerCache series (or any other accelerator, for that matter) does?

There is one very obvious upgrade - to a IIfx.  This is very economical
nowadays.  If you upgrade to a IIfx and add a rack of 4 Mb SIMMs you will
have a much faster machine.  The IIfx upgrade is a board swap, the IIx
motherboard is replaced with the IIfx version, and the old one goes back
to Apple.  You do this through your local vendor.  Mac IIfx SIMMs are
available from many sources, e.g. Chip Merchant.

Doug Tody	National Optical Astronomy Observatories
tody@noao.edu   P.O. Box 26732, Tucson, Arizona, 85726
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: tunefs and rotational delay
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:57:21 GMT
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center

Has anyone attempted to use tunefs to change the specified
rotational delay from 4ms to anything else?

If so, what happened... It seems to me that with an Interleave
of 1:1, that you can specify it as 0...

Anyone tried this?
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From: weigert@etlhit.etl.go.jp (Thomas Weigert)
Subject: AU/X compatible cd-readers
Reply-To: weigert@mcs.anl.gov
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba-shi, Japan
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:43:40 GMT


This question has been posted before, but no comprehensive
answer has been given so far. 

"Which cd-rom readers are compatible with au/x?"

I know that the old Apple CD-rom is, since I have loaded my
A/UX system from there. Probably the new cd-150 by apple is
also, since they would be fools if it weren't. But how about
others (NEC, for example)?

Cheers, Thomas.

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux,comp.sys.mac
From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: AU/X 3.0 on PowerBook?
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:01:44 GMT

bugow@sunslc.imw.tu-clausthal.de (Rainer Bugow) writes:
>According to an article in the german MACUP magazine (issue 3/92) 
>AU/X runs on a PB 170. Limited by the currently available internal HD (80 MB)
>you should be able to install a small AU/X (i.e. without man pages).

Then they are on drugs.

A/UX will _not_ run on a PB170...

I don't know what AU/X is but maybe it will :)
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                     "Squeak. Squeak, I tell you, squeak."
From: creed@fse.ulaval.ca (Carlos Reed)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Mac SE30 & 20 Megs of RAM
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:15:10 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.aux
Organization: Ulaval

Hi there!


I alrady installed  A/UX on a mac SE30 with 8 megs of RAM and it works
fine.

I'm planing to upgrade this mac up to 20 Megs of RAM. Since this mac is not
a 32 bit clean, I have the following doubts.

a) Does A/UX will see the 20 megs of RAM?
b) Will this work properly ?



Any ideas guys?



Thanks in advance

Carlos Reed
creed@fse.ulaval.ca
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: johnston@me.udel.edu (William Johnston)
Subject: Re: AU/X compatible cd-readers
Organization: Department of Mechanical Engineering/University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:16:37 GMT

In article <Conrad_Nobili-220792022038@c50mac6.harvard.edu> Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C. Nobili) writes:
>In article <WEIGERT.92Jul21184340@etlhit.etl.go.jp>,
>weigert@etlhit.etl.go.jp (Thomas Weigert) wrote:

>> "Which cd-rom readers are compatible with au/x?"

>The install may in fact be an acid test of A/UX compatibility....
>(Anyone know?  Is it?)

I don't think so.  The A/UX 3.0 Installation Boot Disk includes
a system extension called "CD ROM Hack", which suggests that 
someone may have been able to generalize the Apple driver, 
or at least remove a routine that checks to see if the device 
is an Apple drive before loading.

Unfortunately, "CD ROM Hack" isn't mentioned in the installation 
guide or ReadMe files;  my impression is that Apple as a company
is a bit paranoid about releasing software with unsupported features 
that may work with some third-party hardware but not others.

If Apple limits the CD driver or HD SC Setup (Mac v.2.x or 7.0) 
to use with Apple peripherals, they don't have to include
documentation explaining why their software only works with 
"some" drives (which would rapidly make the Apple manuals look 
like PC manuals -- ie, technical and unintelligible to novices);
and of course they don't have to offer tech support.

>If either of these things is true, then I can report something you
>may be interested to hear....  My Chinon CDA-431 was able to
>install A/UX 3.0 recently.  

More data for the FAQ ... besides audio, it would be interesting 
to know whether the Chinon can mount the A/UX 3.0 CD as a unix
file system, and whether it can work with HFS and 'foreign' 
format data disks.  It would be worth trying both the MacOS 
driver and the "CD ROM Hack", although it may be that A/UX
mounts the CD using a generic driver built into the kernel.
(That's a WAG ;-) but I don't see an extension-type CD ROM
driver anywhere in /mac/sys).

A quick pitch:  if there is anyone else with 3rd-party peripheral 
data that hasn't made it into the FAQ?  We'll need more of this IMO
if we hope to expand the A/UX user base.  

Motivational anecdote:  I recently talked with a lab manager who
had decided to place an order for <many> copies of MachTen.  
The decision wasn't based on price -- A/UX 3.0 turned out to be
cheaper;  it was based on compatibility with existing 3rd-party
peripherals and easy-to-use-and-administrate device drivers.
-- 
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From: glad@daimi.aau.dk (Michael Glad)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: AMD for aux 3.0
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:48:48 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

Together with a colleague I've tried to get release 5.3.beta1 of
amd (The Berkeley Automounter Daemon) working on a MacIIfx running
AUX 3.0. Without much luck, it tends to hang the machine.

I've been told that the problems stems from broken signal handling
code (in AUX) and there's a patch (for amd) which fixes the problems.

If anyone knows of this patch we would be very gratefull to be informed
of it.

	-- Michael Glad, email: glad@daimi.aau.dk
	   Aarhus University,
	   Computer Science Dept.
	   Aarhus, Denmark.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: cyor@logos.uwaterloo.ca (                )
Subject: Is A/UX Standalone?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:20:17 GMT

Hi there!

I have the following questions:

1)  Is A/UX self contained?  That is, does it has to be networked
    (to a campus)? or Can I just run A/UX on the Quadra while isolated
    from other computer system?


2)  Somebody said that MacX cannot be run through telephone line.
    It has to be connected to a network.  Is this true?
    I assume whatever happens to MacX applies to A/UX.


3)  If ones  concerns are to 
    
    a) do assignments at home with the X windows looks and feels
       (HAVE DIFFERENT XTERMS windows running simultaneously)
        -----------------------------------------------------
             ^
             |__  Main concern!


    b) have no access to ethernet but can only connect to university UNIX
       system through 9600 bps modem
 

    
    Do you recommend me to buy A/UX or MacX in this case?


    Your reply is appreciated!  Thanks...
From: marcelo@deadzone.princeton.edu (Marcelo Gallardo)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: A/UX speed.
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:55:18 GMT
Organization: DeadZone * A/UX 3.0 SVR2 * 609-275-1833

In <26JUL199213134245@vxcrna.cern.ch> smithr@vxcrna.cern.ch (SMITH,Rand./PPE) writes:

>-AU/X 3.0 seems to be around $500 educational...thank God I'm still a student.
>-9600 baud modems with all the trimmings seem to be around $300.  I've been
>-following with some interest the discussion of Macs not liking high-speed
>-modems, but seem to have missed the final conclusion.  If I get a V.32bis, and
>-V.42 modem, will AU/X handle it at top speed?  (on a Mac IIsi).

>From jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov:
>I'll defer this one...

>(Side note again:  Nobody answered this one, and it's fairly important to me.
>Does anyone know?  What is the (practicable) top speed of a modem on a Mac IIsi
>running A/UX?  Or any Mac?)

	The serial drivers for A/UX don't work properly. Trying to
	figure out the top speed is difficult, since in most of my tests
	the load on A/UX seems to be directly related to the problems
	with the serial ports.

	At times running incoming/outgoing serial connections at 2400,
	could/would cause the machine to crash (read BOOM!). This
	happened most of the time when the load average hung around 2.2
	and above. Playing around with my crontab entries and things
	I've managed to make my machine a bit more stable by not running
	alot of things all at the same time. While this isn't the best,
	it'll have to do until Apple finishes fixing the serial drivers
	(are they still working on the fix - I haven't heard anything
	for quite some time). 

	To try and answer your question, I've got a Supra V.32bis modem
	connected to one of the serial ports running slip. The modems
	are connected at 14.4, while the computer to modem rate is
	38400, and it's been pretty stable as long as I can keep the
	load average down. So, I think the answer to your question is
	that A/UX should be able to work at top speed with a 9600 baud
	modem.    ^^^^^^

	Marcelo -

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: dba3k@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Daniel Burton Avery)
Subject: IIsi A/UX on SLIP
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:36:52 GMT

(Letter forwarded)

I have been asked by a Communications department to set
up an A/UX system to be used on a SLIP account.  Because they
are severely low on funding, a IIsi is my best option.  The
configuration I can get from Apple is a IIsi (A/UX) w/ 9MB RAM
and an 80MB HD.  One of my questions is if a 205 MB HD would be
adequate for aproximately 400 students if the primary purpose
of the system is e-mail/news groups.  The maximum number of
users the system could have at one time is 16, although I don't
see more than 5 or 6 at the most.

The other question is if I should purchase more RAM (say for
20MB).  My options may be limited to either going larger than
205 MB for the hard drive, or getting more RAM.

Much thanks in advance!
Doug
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: hulse@el2.phy.nrc.ca (John Hulse)
Subject: NN, PowerCache, IIsi, StyleWriter
Organization: National Research Council, Ottawa, Canada
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:25:00 GMT


I recently acquired a Quadra 700 for my lab and I am setting up A/UX 3.0
on it. All has gone pretty smoothly, and I am impressed with the system.
I have, however, a few questions that one of the readers of this group 
will hopefully be able to answer for me.

1) I have set up set up nn 6.4.16, using the s-aux3.h header file which
I snatched from "jagubox" (thanks guys!). I seem to have but one
problem. I put a line to start up the daemon in /etc/rc:

/usr/local/lib/nn/nnmaster -l -r -C

as suggested in the docs, but no daemon ever gets forked. Nnmaster does
start up all right, and perform the check on the database, but then it
gets a hangup signal and just quits. Has anyone else seen this?
Running the above command line once loged on works just fine.

2) I am in fact upgrading both machine and O/S - from a IIsi running
A/UX 2.0.1. I couldn't resist trying out 3.0 on the IIsi first. Well,
things are pretty slow on a IIsi, especially the Mac OS. Still, I would
like to buy a right to copy and run 3.0 on both machines. So I
thought a performance upgrade in the form of a DayStar Universal
PowerCache at 50 MHz would be a smart move. Does anyone have an opinion?

3) With regard to slowness - printing on a StyleWriter under A/UX really
brings a IIsi to its knees - even with driver 7.2.2. Can I expect this
to improve with such an upgrade?

Thanks for your help.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
From: alexis@panix.com (Alexis Rosen)
Subject: Re: Mac accelerators and A/UX 3.0
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:00:32 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

stever@netcom.com (Steve Riggins) writes:
>tody@noao.edu writes:
>>Well ok, you can go either way I guess.  The IIfx does have some advantages
>>which haven't been mentioned, namely better serial port hardware and disk
>>DMA.  I am not familiar with the Daystar but I would guess that since it
>>replaces the 030 all it does is provide a faster cpu.  To me offloading the
>>serial and disk i/o was as important as the faster cpu.  For a few hundred
>>dollars more than the Daystar you get both the custom i/o processors and
>>a faster cpu, and end up with a standard system.

>Except for the fact that no OS takes advantage of the DMA yet, and some apps do
>not work with the serial chips in faster mode.  I think that one could spend the
>saved money on RAM (The ram is only used in some LaserWriters) on a SCSI-2
>card and a SCSI-2 hard disk to get balzing speed.

A/UX uses both the DMA and the 6502 chips for serial support. This makes disk
I/O much less draining on CPU and the A/UX drivers for the IIfx serial ports
don't crash the Mac the way the IIx ones do. MacOS programs under A/UX benefit
from both of these changes.
 
Unfortunately, SCSI performance is still doggy (compared to a decent Unix
machine or a Quadra, which has fine I/O), and serial support still sucks.

SCSI-2 cards won't work with A/UX unless and until someone writes a driver
for one. So far we've heard promises from at least two vendors. No products.

Try not to give advice unless there's a >50% chance it's right. The money
you waste won't be your own...

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From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Subject: Re: AMD for aux 3.0
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:37:39 GMT

glad@daimi.aau.dk (Michael Glad) writes:

>Together with a colleague I've tried to get release 5.3.beta1 of
>amd (The Berkeley Automounter Daemon) working on a MacIIfx running
>AUX 3.0. Without much luck, it tends to hang the machine.

>I've been told that the problems stems from broken signal handling
>code (in AUX) and there's a patch (for amd) which fixes the problems.

>If anyone knows of this patch we would be very gratefull to be informed
>of it.

If it's just signals then you have two options:

	1. Add the set42sig() call to main() {}
	   (see the man page for set42sig)

	2. Compile and link with the "-lbsd" library
	   which set's a bunch of BSD compatibility
	   options. (see the man page for setcompat)
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           "The great scallop... this tatty, scrofulous old rapist,
               is second in depravity only to the common clam."
From: marcelo@deadzone.princeton.edu (Marcelo Gallardo)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: IIfx hangs while installing A/UX 3.0
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:44:59 GMT
Organization: DeadZone * A/UX 3.0 SVR2 * 609-275-1833

In <Bs0xnM.7qs@acsu.buffalo.edu> yaosenko@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yaosen Ko) writes:

>The first two steps went smoothly.  When it came to the last step, and
>while the installing program showed "Please wait... Calculating UNIX
>filesystem space requirement", the machine hang.  It is highly
>reproducible.  Adjusting the arrangement of SCSI devices helps a bit
>but it still happens in about 10% of the time.

	I thought this was taken care of during the beta run. The
	installer had some problems at first, in that it could hang when
	installing on a IIfx. The instructions said to launch the
	installer with the debug option, and sure enough this let me run
	through the entire installation without a hitch. I'll run
	through my notes and see if I can't remember how to turn
	debugging on.

	But as I said above, I thought this was taken care of during the
	beta, cause the final release installed without a hitch on my
	IIfx. Just to be safe, check your connections and termination.

	Marcelo -

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From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: Can A/UX 3.0 use SCSI-2 card? (was: Mac accelerators and A/UX 3.0)
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:12:36 GMT
Reply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)
Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center

yaosenko@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yaosen Ko) writes:

>In article <5!mmv7#.stever@netcom.com> stever@netcom.com (Steve Riggins) writes:
>>
>>Except for the fact that no OS takes advantage of the DMA yet, and some apps do
>>not work with the serial chips in faster mode.  I think that one could spend the
>>saved money on RAM (The ram is only used in some LaserWriters) on a SCSI-2
>>card and a SCSI-2 hard disk to get balzing speed.
>>

>A/UX is using SCSI DMA on IIfx, now.

>Does anybody know if those SCSI-2 card can be used under A/UX 3.0?
>Those cards appear on July issue of MacUser I guess.

Nope... the drivers aren't written yet.
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               is second in depravity only to the common clam."
From: weihmayer@gte.com (Robert Weihmayer)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Using a CDR74 for AU/X 3.0
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:41:08 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.aux
Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated

Is it possible to install the CD-ROM distribution for AU/X 3.0
using an NEC CDR-74 drive (the new 280msec drive).
Thanks.

Robert Weihmayer, GTE Laboratories Inc. weihmayer@gte.com
From: halpin@xcalbr.dsg.dec.com (Steve Halpin)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux
Subject: Re: Mac accelerators and A/UX 3.0
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:50:22 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <dmanning.712260444@cwis> dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu (David Manning) writes:
>jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes:
>
>>If you go for the IIfx logic board swap, it'll run about $2000 plus another
>>chunk of change for replacement RAM... In fact, you may no longer be able
>>to _get_ the IIfx board.
>
>As of late May, the IIfx upgrade was still available, for a list price of      
>$2599. You should be able to get if for about $2000, like Jim said.
>
>IMHO, however, the Daystar path is a better one. It goes directly through
>the processor socket, replacing the existing 030 on the IIx, plus you
>don't have to worry about the oddness of the IIfx. Daystar is also good
>with respect to customer support.
>
>>If you do get the IIfx board see if you can find someone with a II who wants
>>to upgrade to a IIx... You sell him your IIx logic board and you take
>>his/her II board and then upgrade to the IIfx... The selling price of your
>>IIx board will offset the upgrade cost to the IIfx.
>
>Isn't capitalism great? :-)

    <<Neatly formatted trailers deleted>>

I upgraded to the IIfx logic board when the Quadra first came out, and I still
think it was the right decision.  First, A/UX for the Quadras was six months
away, and second, because I ended up with a 32-bit clean ROMs.  I vaguely
recalled reading that the serial port bug didnt exist in the IIfx drivers either
(theyre different due to having peripheral processors to handle that IO.)
The latest rumor mill says the Quadra 950 uses the same serial chips to offload
the main CPU.  Someone with more information/perspective can comment on how
correct/significant this is.  -Steve
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