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From: dactyl@netcom.com (David Carter)
Subject: Re: Concert Tales
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:50:40 GMT

Caught Zappa 3 times in Dallas...
Was in 2nd row center for Winter '81 show with Vai, et al.
Vai had light blue hair and bare feet. During a frenetically
rendered double-time performance of 'Doreen' some moron lobbed
an empty Jack Daniels bottle high and it came down directly in
front of Stevie, shattering all over. Frank issued a non-verbal
command which brought the music to an abrupt halt. He then calmly
asked that the house lights be turned on. Reunion Arena promptly
was lit. Poor Steve was standing perfectly still, what with his
bare feet you see, while roadies worked to delicately remove the
offending fragments. Meanwhile Frank calmly spake into the P.A.
"Will the asshole who threw that please raise your hand?"
No response.
"Will the person BEHIND the asshole who threw that please raise
YOUR hand?"
Still nothing.
When the roadies were finished (it took quite a while) they kicked
back into Doreen at the exact point where they left off, in the middle
of a sentence!
A disgusting display, but the bad-vibe didn't last too long.
Zappa skipped Dallas the following 2 years though.
In fact the only show in Dallas since that incident was '83.

David Carter              Ketchup
dactyl@netcom.com              is
San Pablo, California           a
USA                     vegetable
From: srm1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (steven.r.marcovici)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Editorial cartoon
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:10:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <CMM.0.90.2.728132290.jrk@cs.columbia.edu> "John R. Kender" <jrk@cs.columbia.edu> writes:
>From the pen of Jim Borgman, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, syndicated
>nationally (watch for it!), as appearing on the Op-Ed page of the
>Bergen (New Jersey) Record this morning:
>
>Five panels, entitled "Thank you for SHARING this attempt to REACH
>SOME NEW AGE INAUGURAL CLOSURE"
>
> [snip snip]
>
>Panel 2 (biggest panel), A nine-person rock group, with (apparently)
>FZ on drums, in stove-pipe hat, all before massive backdrop saying
>"ZAPPA IS GOD": "Aging boomer group Fleetwood Mac reunited with
>supergroup Cream in a rendition of 'Stairway to Heaven,' after which
>the entire 32-45 generation dissolved into confusion."
>
> [snip snip]
>
>2) Did FZ ever wear a stove-pipe hat?  On Hot Rats he is shown
>somewhere in London wearing a bowler, but I don't recall any
>stove-pipe.
>
I don't know, BUT Mick Fleetwood certainly did. And to the level of fidelity
provided by a cartoon, I expect that you are confusing Mick's slim, bearded
visage with that of FZ. The caption does say that members of Fleetwood Mac
and Cream combined for the event; so the drummer would be either Fleetwood
or Ginger Baker (but by my arithmetic that would yield 8 people, not 9).
Your description does bring to mind Mr. Fleetwood, INCLUDING the hat.

-Steve  srm@garage.att.com
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 14:42:00 CET
From: c.eicke@cl-hh.comlink.de
Reply-To: c.eicke@cl-hh.comlink.de
Distribution: world
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Zappalog
Organization: Freies Telekommunikations-Zentrum Hamburg e.V.
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Hello to all the Zappa freaks,

I have Zappalog Vol.1, a paper copy, and I offer to
anyone interested to send you a copy of the copy, by snail mail
(or? courier).

And I would be glad to find a friendly person who could send me
a paper copy of vol.2.

- and: IS there a Vol.3 ???


Viele Gruesse

        Christine

Christine Eicke, Grindelhof 83/5, 2000 Hamburg 13, Germany

C.EICKE@CL-HH.COMLINK.DE
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From: the.evil.prince@dadaged.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: LIVE ZAPPA MUSIC
X-CitNet-ID: 122887
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 17:30:28 GMT

   
  I had heard that too. I'm sure it would be worth calling Pumpkin over.
  818 -PUMPKIN 
  
   Announcement:   Live Zappa Music will be played at Avery Fisher Hall 
February 28, 1993.  Joel Thome's Orchestra and most of last years Zappa 
Universe People.  Orchestral FZ at Lincoln Center!!  Has anyone heard as to 
whether FZ will be there? 

Who could Imagine
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Zappa for President
From: NBRIGHAM@arizvm1.ccit.arizona.edu
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 10:18:07 MST
Distribution: alt.fan.frank-zappa,local
Organization: University of Arizona

>
>Does anyone know where I can find some Zappa for President stickers?  I can't
>seem to find them...
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Gary Herman
>aikogary@leland.Stanford.EDU
 
 
I beleive that if you call Pumpkin Records (1-818-pumpkin) they can
help you out.
 
 
 
 
 
 
NICHOLAS A BRIGHAM                   ~      UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA
NBRIGHAM@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU            ~        TUCSON, ARIZONA
NBRIGHAM@ARIZVM1.CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU    ~
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: epb3r@Virginia.EDU ("Erik P. Brady")
Subject: ZAPPA tribute show in NY
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:30:24 GMT


	The Music of FRANK ZAPPA

	performed by the Music Today Ensemble and Orchestra of
           Our Time, Joel Thome conductor (did Zappa's Universe
           in '91)

	featuring: Lorin Hollander, Mike Kenneally, Scott
		Thunes, Mats & Morgan (Swedes who joined FZ at 
		an '88 show and were in Zappa's Universe)

	songs to be played: Nite School, Ruth is Sleeping, Girl
		Magnesium Dress, Black Page #2, Naval Aviation
		in Art, Love Story, Dupree's Paradise,
		Jonestown, Inca Roads, The Perfect Stranger
		Varese's Deserts

	Saturday Feb. 27 8PM  Avery Fisher Hall  
		Tickets by phone:  (212) 721-6500

	I'll be driving from Virginia so if you live on the way
we may be able to help.

	Erik Brady
	epb3r@virginia.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: scm@watson.ibm.com (Scott Morrison)
Subject: The Man From Utopia
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:03:26 GMT
Distribution: alt
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM's T. J. Watson Research Center

Revision-meister Zappa strikes again!  Zappa has just released the last
album from his catalog on CD (not including "200 Motels" which he doesn't
own), and it is almost like a completely different record from the vinyl
version.  Not only is it totally re-sequenced, but each track is
noticably different from the orginal.  He also added one new track called
"Luigi & The Wise Guys."   The differences are too numerous to list completely,
but here are a few:
	o "Cocaine Decisions" has a new instrumental break in the middle.
	o "SEX" has some new lines added.
	o "Stick Together" has new vocal parts, and the lyrics on the
	  out-chorus are now completely audible.
	o "Tink Walks Amok" has some added percussion lines.
Even on the tracks without obvious additions, the mixes all sound quite
different.  The individual voices in the chorus parts are more 
easily distinguished and the instrumental parts are crisper.  

The new track is an acapella do-wop song with Roy Estrada doing lead
Pachuco Falsetto.  Roy sings "You're a double-dork butt rash" and other
similiar lines over the backup singers making a do-wop chorus out of
"butt rash" and other lines from the song.  In other words, it's pure Zappa.

I know there have been a lot of negative reactions in this group about
Zappa's various re-mixes for his CD releases (especially "We're Only In It
For The Money"), but I would have to say that this album has been much
improved by Frank's incessant revisionism.  TMFU has always been one of
my sentimental favorites because it came out about a year after I started
to get seriously into his music, and was one of the first new Zappa albums
I ever bought; so I know this album forwards and backwards, and it
was a real treat to hear it in a new light.  Joe Bob says "Check it out."

			-- Scott Morrison
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: aikogary@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gary Herman)
Subject: Zappa for President
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 00:10:45 GMT


Does anyone know where I can find some Zappa for President stickers?  I can't
seem to find them...

Thanks in advance,
Gary Herman
aikogary@leland.Stanford.EDU
From: brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Concert Tales
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:18:00 GMT
	<1993Jan25.183715.3693@dms.agames.com>
	<CHRISLEY.93Jan26181956@black.oxford.ac.uk>
Organization: Fordham University/CLC, Division of Science and Math

In article <CHRISLEY.93Jan26181956@black.oxford.ac.uk> chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley) writes:

   In article <1993Jan25.183715.3693@dms.agames.com> 
   lipson@dms.agames.com (Pete Lipson) writes:

>      Brian Downing (brian@dsm.fordham.edu) wrote:
>      :  ruins concerts for me. It makes me realize just how stupid the
>      :  average american is and I go home feeling ashamed for us all.
>      : --
>	yer math's not so good..  if the average Merkin was like that half the
>      audience would'a been up on the stage.... 
>      (unless you meant the median???:)
>
>   His math? What about *your* logic?  Surely you can't be assuming that
>   Frank Zappa fans are a representative sample of the US population with
>   respect to intelligence?
>
>   ;-)


OK! OK! I guess I should have chosen my words more carefully,
especially since I'm a math major. I did NOT mean the mean, nor
median, but I did mean typical? Just plain old Joey Psychotic from
middletown, USA.  Now, we also have to consider that I saw that
particular show in Chicago, IL which is quite far below average in
terms of mean American intellect(no offense intended to netters from
the chicago area, they know what I mean).  I think that at MOST 20% of
the fans attending truly appreciated his music for what it was while
80% came to that show to hear that song with the funny lyrics about
yellow-snow(Hmmm,whats that one called again? ;))

So, without a doubt some of the most intelligent americans attend FZ
concerts. After all we went didn't we? ;)

All kidding aside, FZ was hurt in Switzerland, and according to the
liner notes from YCDTOSA #5, people in Milan, Italy tossed used
syringes onto stage. I'm sure that there are assholes who ruin concerts
everywhere. Maybe it would have been more appropriate for me to go
home feeling ashamed for humanity? 

Earth, home of the smartest apes in all of the universe.
--
 brian...

 brian downing@->fordham university, nyc ny
         brian@dsm.fordham.edu       bdowning@mary.fordham.edu
From: wein@disco-sol.dfki.uni-sb.de (Michael Wein)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Request for video
Date: 28 Jan 1993 13:16:34 GMT
Organization: DFKI Saarbruecken GmbH, D-W 6600 Saarbruecken
Distribution: world
Reply-To: wein@dfki.uni-sb.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: disco-sol.dfki.uni-sb.de

Is there any video of Frank's '79 or '80 band available?
Special interest in videos with Steve Vai and/or Vince Colaiuta.
Please answer via PM as this is a request for a friend of mine 
and I don't always read this newsgroup.

        Michael Wein

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  | phone  : ++49 (0)681/3025309 |  It's a big problem." (Martin Kay)        |
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing)
Subject: Re: Concert Tales
Organization: Fordham University/CLC, Division of Science and Math
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 12:45:53 GMT

  I saw a similar occurrance at a Chicago show. Some asshole in the
 front row tossed a cup full of coca-cola at FZ and it splashed all of
 him and his guitar. I had seats in the front row but way over to the
 left of center. He also gave some que, I don't recall if it was
 verbal or not but the band stopped instantly, right in the middle of
 a note. FZ asked for the asshole who did it, since he was in the
 front row he had a lot of people behind him so he was quickly on
 stage. This was after FZ's arm had been broken by a fan in Europe and
 Frank hired a new bodyguard.  Anybody who's ever seen this bodyguard
 might have an idea of what happened to this poor dude.  Zappa brought
 him on stage and asked if if he wanted to play his guitar(after he
 had just spent a good ten minutes cleaning both it and himself of the
 sticky coca-cola) and when the guy said "yes" the bodyguard
 forcefully grabbed him and carried him offstage. I can only imagine
 how hard this guy must have hit pavement. This kind of shit always
 ruins concerts for me. It makes me realize just how stupid the
 average american is and I go home feeling ashamed for us all.
--
 brian...

 brian downing@->fordham university, nyc ny
         brian@dsm.fordham.edu       bdowning@mary.fordham.edu
From: warto@src.dec.com (Joe Warto)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Anyone have concert stories?
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:04:57 GMT
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center

OK. Here goes.

I first got into Frank's music in 1976-1977. The first show
I saw was on April Fool's day in 1980 at the Berkely Community
Theatre. There were two shows and during the middle of the first 
show, a friend and I were walking around waiting for the second set.
Some scalpers approached us with tickets to sell. We said the show was
almost over, so we ended up buying two tickets for $5. The reason we
went early was that my friend brought a camera and tried to bull****
his way into the first show by saying he was with BAM magazine. the 
lady at the window said she would have let us in, but someone from BAM
had already shown up. The real part of this story is that for the encore
of the second show, Frank said that he was going to premier a new song
that had never been played before. I found out two days later at another
show that the tune was actually Chunga's Revenge. Needless to say, I went
out and bought the record soon after.

My favorite show happened in 1982 at the Santa Cruz Civic Auditorium.
Before the show, there was this black guy wearing an all foil costume
with a cape, riding a bicycle around asking if anyone had a free ticket
for the spaceman. Sure enough, during the show I look up to the top
left side of the seats, and there is the spaceman standing perfectly
still (in a pose). I'm not sure if he ever moved during the whole show.
The highlight of the show for me was when Frank started the intro to
Yo Mama (actually the whole song was the highlight). When it started,
I jumped up from my fifth row seat and yelled my approval. Frank pointed
at me and nodded his head in acknowledgement. The second show began
with a great version of Black Napkins. When the song was over, my 
friend turned to me and said "OK, I can go home now" (it was his favorite
Zappa tune; high on my list also). Of course we did stay for the rest
of a fine performance. Also coming to mind was some incredible solo's
by Steve Vai and Frank (had to be one of his best) during Stevie's
Spanking.

One last story: 

In 1984, Frank came to the Bay Area twice. The second time around, he
played at a place called the Circle Star Theatre. The place is set up
so that all shows are in the round (spinning stage). Frank was really
bummed because there was a buzz or hum that was difficult to fix. I
remember Frank talking to the sound people from the stage saying
"why can't you guys find the problem. Ever heard of grounding?"
It was an enjoyable show for me anyway as he broke out a few songs I 
had never seen before such as: My guitar wants to kill your mama,
Trouble Everyday and the Illinois Enema Bandit.

Unfortunately, Frank's 1988 tour never made it to the west coast.
I had been calling the hotline and waiting patiently, until it 
was cancelled due to there being problem's with that big band.

At least we still have videos to watch and his music to listen to.
Frank music will live forever!!!!


Joe Warto
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: ameyer@cbnews.cb.att.com (Andreas Meyer)
Subject: Re: Concert Tales
Reply-To: ahm@hoqas2.att.com (Andreas Meyer)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:09:34 GMT

In alt.fan.frank-zappa, malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
> No real good tales, but on the lighter, non-show stopping side, I recall
> seeing one show where a pair of black bikini briefs were thrown on stage
> for the infamous panty-quilt project, which Frank shoved under the
> nose of a couple fo the players and they backed away.

Could these be the famous "Voodoo Butter Underpants" mentioned in
Panty Rap on _Tinseltown Rebellion_?!

Andy
-- 
    ==--
  -====---    Andreas Meyer, N2FYE                     ahm@hoqas2.att.com
  --==----    AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel NJ        ..!att!hoqas2!ahm
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: epb3r@Virginia.EDU ("Erik P. Brady")
Subject: The Real FZ Magazine
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:24:06 GMT

The following is the address for a damned good FZ magazine:

	Society Pages East
	P.O. Box 395
	Deer Park, IL 11729   USA

$4 for sample issue
$20 for subscription (5 issues)

Issue #11 (?) should be out by now but isn't.

Classifieds are free but they do not allow or support any
unauthorized profiteering (no selling of bootlegs). That does
not censor any form of trading though.

Please mention that you heard about it from me through the
pcnews network.

Erik Brady 
epb3r@virginia.edu

Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing)
Subject: Re: Anyone have concert stories?
Organization: Fordham University/CLC, Division of Science and Math
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:10:06 GMT


 Well, I'm not much of a storyteller but I can give it a try.
 I've seen FZ several times. I'll try to see what I can remember.

 1. Capitol Theater Passaic New Jersey: November 1, 1973
 2. Chicago: 1974-1980, several performances over these years
 3. Detroit: 81-83? I can't remember the year but it was the last time
    I saw FZ on tour :( and we had seats in the last row of the upper
    balcony at the Joe Louis Arena.  (I had a long lens and took some
    photos from the balcony, I'll have to see if I can find it. Maybe
    we can find a site to archive scanned photos from our concerts?)

 The first was one of the best since it was a similar show to Roxy and
 Elsewhere and it was my first FZ shows. I can still remember the grin
 on my face as I watched Ruth Underwood on the Zylophone.

 I was only 15 at the time and my parents had sent me to a school in
 Vermont for one semester. There was a women there who received the
 New York Times every Sunday and one day I was looking through the
 concert listings and saw Zappa had a Halloween show in New York. I
 had a friend who lived in New Jersey at the time so I wrote him and
 asked him to pick up tickets for the concert. Well, he got the post
 Halloween show tickets for the NJ show but I was still fun. I
 hitch-hiked down to NJ for the concert. It was the days of chicks and
 drugs so we talked about the former and smoked a lot of the latter.
 I wound up getting sick the day before the concert (from something I
 ate while stoned). Shit, I thought for sure I was going to miss the
 concert. Anyhow, the next day I was fine and when we went to the show
 I decided it might be a good idea to not get high. I'm glad I didn't
 because I think I enjoyed the show more.

 FZ did most of the Roxy and Elsewhere stuff. It was fantastic. I can
 only recall how overwhelmed I was by all the kooky people that show
 up for his concerts (after all this was my first time in New Jersey).
 I saw two or three jerks dressed as FZ lookalikes and lots of other
 wierdos. I guess now I'm one of them.

 I can't recall much about which cuts were played or any theatrics
 employed by FZ. So I'll cut this short.

--
 brian...

 brian downing@->fordham university, nyc ny
         brian@dsm.fordham.edu       bdowning@mary.fordham.edu
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 21 Jan 1993 15:40:46 EST
From: <IO21087@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Mother Mary and Joseph!

Hello, So nice to meet you. Thank you for taking the time to read my
post.

Well, enough small talk let's get down to business. A few questions:

1. During the monologue prior to "Penguin in Bondage" on the Roxy and
elsewhere discFrank claims to be "circumlocuting" certain terms in order
to get the monologue on television. Why does he say this? Was this show
documented and show over public airwaves?

2. Does anyone out there have the desire to trade? I would love to expand
my small Zappa collection with new entries. Unfortunately I am too poor
to buy anymore discs. But, I have tons of Blank tapes. I collect Phish
and Dead tapes, so if anyone wants to copy some of the Zappa I don't have
in trade for Live Phish or Grateful Dead I would be most grateful.
What I'm mainly after is the Beat the Boots discs. But there are a few
Mainstream albums I also want.


Howlin over to some antarticulated moon,
Robert
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: buzzsaw@bluemoon.use.com (Patrick Buzby)
Subject: Anyone have concert stories?
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 18:25:00 EST

     In a previous post, Erik Brady mentioned the idea of trading 
interesting concert stories through this newsgroup.  Since I am one of 
those unfortunate souls who was too young to see FZ in his touring days (I 
was 14 in 1988, around the time I started to become a serious fan), and 
since I absolutely love the YCDTOSA series and the other live albums, I'd 
also encourage anyone who has such stories to share them.  Thanks for any 
response.

     Pat Buzby           "Fried ice cream is a reality!"-George Clinton
     Grove City, OH      "Music is the best."-Frank Zappa