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From: 16rtaylor@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Ricky Taylor)
Subject: Re: Womens Basketball
Organization: Gallaudet U.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:04:04 GMT

In article <92349.144247RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>, Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> In article <1992Dec13.172730.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>,
> 16rtaylor@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Ricky Taylor) says:
>>        I think the NCAA Tournament tells everything than the regular season
>>does and how come Purdue almost lost to Wright State 83-75.  Virginia would
>>roll over Wright State by 50 points.
> Why don't you just compare Michigan State and Virginia while you're at it?
> You can't compare the No. 1 team in the ACC to the No. 3 team in the Big 10.
> Iowa (who is No. 1) would roll over Wright State by 50 points, too.
> Another thing - any team can beat another team on any given day.  If Maryland
> beats Virginia, can we conclude that Iowa is better than Virginia since
> Iowa beat Maryland 53-50 this year?  I think not.  You can't use this logic.
> ** Rob **

Perhaps to solve the arguments, there is ACC/Big Ten Challenge for Women's 
Basketball on January 2nd.  Virginia will square off with Ohio State and 
Maryland played Purdue once again.  

Hey, why don't I just compare Michigan State and Virginia?  Ok, two years ago...
Virginia played Michigan State in Miami Tournament and rolled up to a 91-50 
victory.  

Yeah, Iowa beat Maryland 53-50 and I was there...to be honest with Rob, Maryland
made a mistake of forced the ball to Jessie Hicks so that she could shoot in 
the first half which Iowa seized the momentum by outscoring Maryland in the
first half into a 17-point margin *31-14* at the intermission.  Then Maryland
slowed Iowa and drove the baskets from Hicks, Colleton, Boles, Andrews and 
Rimkus to pull within one, with 4.3 seconds left.  And they lost the possession 
to Iowa.  Iowa deserved the win.  

By the way, as of now...The ACC is now tied with Big Ten as Iowa beat Maryland,
53-50.  And Georgia Tech duped Minnesota at Minnesota with 82-62 win.

I think I said it all for now.  
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Womens Basketball
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:12:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.002735.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>  
16rtaylor@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Ricky Taylor) writes:

> >>  And Georgia Tech duped Minnesota at Minnesota with 82-62 win.
> >    The No. 29 team in the country dumping the No. 300 team in the league.
> >    That's saying a lot.
> Bisoncrap!  Minnesota upset No. 15 Kansas before falling down to Western
> Kentucky at Bowling Green and Ga. Tech at Minneapolis.  Now you're saying
> that Minnesota is No. 300 team.  That's bisoncrap!  Minnesota is somewhere
> in Top 50.

And it's saying a lot to say that they're the #300 team.  Are there
as many women's hoops teams as men's?  If so, then Minnesota would
be the absolute WORST team in Div I.  Pretty bad for such a strong
conference, top to bottom...

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From: costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley)
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:31:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.204703.20210@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dew6c@topaz.cs.Virginia.EDU (Dallas E. Wrege) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.123054.21170@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Suffridge) writes:
>> One of the best regular season performances by a conference that I can 
>> remember was the ACC in the '85-86 season.  Duke, UNC, and GaTech were
>> ranked #1,2,and 3 for much of the season.  Each was #1 for at least some
>
>That's not quite the way I remember it...  North Carolina and Duke had
>excellent seasons - this is true - but Tech did not do nearly as well
>as expected.  They came off their 1985 ACC Championship season in
>which they beat North Carolina 3 times and lost to eventual champion
>Georgetown in the Sweet Sixteen.  They had Mark Price and John Salley
>coming back for their senior years, and yes, they were pre-ranked
>number 1 by many polls - in everybody's top 5.  But it was a miserable
>year for them...  They lost nearly half their conference games, lost
>in the first round of the ACC tourney (if I remember correctly), and
>they lost in either the first or second round of the NCAA's.  That may
>have been the year that they lost to their nemesis, the Richmond
>Spiders.  Anyway, I don't think that '85-86 was a particularly banner
>year for the ACC.
>
>- Dallas
>
Actually Tech went 11-3 in the ACC and 27-7 overall in the 85-86 season.
I'd call that pretty good.  It was the next season that Tech went 7-7 in 
the ACC and 16-13 overall.  I don't remember what round of the ACC
tourney Tech lost in. I believe that it was the second round of the NCAA's
that Tech lost to final four bound LSU.  Also that year Duke, Tech, UNC,
State, UVA, and Maryland all went to the NCAA's with Duke losing to
Louisville in the finals. 

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From: ZITZMANN@BEATE.RZ.FH-ULM.DE (TI2 Ingo Zitzmann)
Subject: 6'8'' Center...
Organization: FACHHOCHSCHULE ULM (GERMANY)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:10:46 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

				Hi, there!

	First of all, I want to apologize for posting this again, but 
	I forgot something to say...
        So, here is an 'update' of the mail:

	Does any College in the USA need a Center 
	(6'8'', 200lbs, SAT: 830pts, 19 years old)?
				     ^^^^^^^^^^^^ That's what I forgot.

       If you're interested then give answer via E-Mail to:

			ZITZMANN@HUGO.RZ.FH-ULM.DE
			(or to address shown above)

			
					Thanx 'n bye,
						
						Ingo.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Early draft stuff
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:42:22 GMT

This is one of those does it belong in college or pro things. I read in
this mornings paper in the college basketball section that according to
the writer's sources, Jamal Mashburn is currently the favorite as the
top pick in the next NBA draft. The guy mentioned that Mashburn is rated
slightly ahead of Chris Webber(too immature he said) and Glenn Robinson
(has only played 4 games, too early to call) for the draft. The obvious 
is that Mashburn is only a junior, Webber and Robinson sophomores.

Who is better now, and who will be a better pro, and what are the chances
that all 3 will actually come out?

To me Mashburn's nickname "Monster mash" is a misnomer, he's a great player
because he can handle the ball and shoot so well that big guys have trouble
wtih him, but smaller guys are just not strong enough. I don't think he'll
be a post player in the NBA, but rather a great wing player.

Robinson from the limited action I've seen is a great athlete, and terrific
offensive talent, who only needs to learn the difference between taking
advantage of his athletic abilitiy, and relying on it(ie. instead of letting
your man catch the ball and then trying to block the shot, make him work to
catch the ball and then force him to take a tough shot).

Webber is similar to Robinson, but not as good perimeter skills, and a better
post player(stronger, incredible hands). He too relies on his jumping ability
too much, and needs to play more under control, but he will be a dominant
NBA power forward.

I would lean towards Webber as a pro, and Mashburn as a collegian, and I
also think Rodney Rogers is just a bit below these guys.




Russ Smith
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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Recruiting - NorthAtlantic
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 11:57:56 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

The Chicgao kids like the great outdoors of Maine.

Halim Abdullah            5-7  PG  Jersey City, NJ               Northeastern
Tim Davis                 6-3  G   Monroe, CT                    Hartford
Yusef Delayeffitte        6-5  PF  Brooklyn, NY                  Boston Universtiy
Michael Griffin           5-11 PG  Atlantic City, NJ             Hartford
Ramone Jones              6-5  WF  Oak Park, IL                  Maine
Adam Kotowski             6-2  2G  Chicago, IL                   Maine
Jim Schwartz              6-2  PG  Huntington Station, NY        Boston Universtiy
Keith Vail                6-8  PF  Trumbull, CT                  Maine

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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Fight!
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:01:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


This reminds me of a game between Louisville and Cincinnati in the Metro about
5 years ago.  Louisville was down 16 with 1:20 or so left on the clock.
Cincy starts a fight, massive technical free throws insue, and Louisville sends
it to OT on a last second 3-point shot from a bench player (La. Smith had
been ejected).  Louisville went on to win in OT.  Great game. ;)

Mike
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From: jfc3348@u.cc.utah.edu (John F. Conroy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Is Laettner gay?
Date: 21 Dec 92 01:54:37 GMT
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine

Sorry, Christian's not exclusively gay, at least. I lived next door to him his
sophomore year,and there were decidedly female tones to the noises coming
 through the walls. Sports Illustrated's article last year has alot to do
with this rumor- they had to write an article about him and Duke last year,
and this probably seemed like a really neat angle. 


John Conroy- "A little bit of Cameron in Happy Valley, Utah."
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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Recruiting - TransAmerica
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 12:35:33 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

James Ford                6-8  PF  Orlando, FL                   Central Florida
Condra Hill               6-8  PF  Atlanta, GA                   Georgia State
Quincy Knuckles           6-1  PG  Buford, GA                    Georgia State
Terrance Mobley           6-5  G/F Albany, GA                    Georgia State
Harley Ross               6-7  PF  Columbia Station, OH          Samford

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:40:51 GMT

dew6c@topaz.cs.Virginia.EDU (Dallas E. Wrege) writes:
>That's not quite the way I remember it...  North Carolina and Duke had
>excellent seasons - this is true - but Tech did not do nearly as well
>as expected.  They came off their 1985 ACC Championship season in
>which they beat North Carolina 3 times and lost to eventual champion
>Georgetown in the Sweet Sixteen.  They had Mark Price and John Salley
>coming back for their senior years, and yes, they were pre-ranked
>number 1 by many polls - in everybody's top 5.  But it was a miserable
>year for them...  They lost nearly half their conference games, lost
>in the first round of the ACC tourney (if I remember correctly), and
>they lost in either the first or second round of the NCAA's.  That may
>have been the year that they lost to their nemesis, the Richmond
>Spiders.  Anyway, I don't think that '85-86 was a particularly banner
>year for the ACC.

	Tech, actually, made it to the Sweet 16, before losing to Cinderella
	and eventual Final 4 participant LSU.  They were the #2 seed in
	the Southeast region.  They had a solid squad -- not only did
	they return Price and Salley, but they also returned Duane Ferrell,
	Bruce Dalrymple -- and they also added big-time HS recruit Tom
	Hammonds.  

	In addition to Carolina and Duke (and Tech), the ACC also sent
	Maryland (w/ Len Bias, Keith Gatlin, etc.), Clemson (w/ Horace
	Grant, etc.) and NC State (w/ Washburn, Brown, etc.) to the big
	dance.  NC State, in fact, made it to the Final 8, before bowing
	out to Kansas.

	85-86 -- was actually a great year for the SEC, as they finally
	shed some of that underrated label.  Kentucky was a Top-5 team
	all year, and made it to the Final 8, before losing to fellow
	SEC team LSU (who they had to play for the <<4th>> time).  Alabama
	had a solid squad, led by Buck Johnson and Derrick McKey, and
	lost to Kentucky for the <<4th>> time that season, losing in the
	Sweet 16 (and thereby forcing the new rule of no more than 2 teams
	from the same conference in a region, and they could only meet in
	that region's finals).  Auburn was also stellar, led by the likes
	of Chuck Person and Chris Morris, and lost in the Final 8 to eventual
	champ Louisville.  Georgia, with Donald Hartry and Joe Ward, was
	strong as well.

	Jazzy J
 
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From: zaphiri@watson.ibm.com (Zaphiris Christidis)
Subject: FISHER-MICHIGAN (was Michigan doesn't play as a team)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:14:53 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center.

In article <4431@cvbnetPrime.COM>, csroc@dime.prime.com (Charles Sroczynski x4014 5-2) writes:
>
> Michigan loses a game to a very strong team
> whose point guard has the game of his life,
> and many people are questioning Steve Fishers
> ability to coach, Michigan's ability to play
> as a team rather than as individuals, Chris
> Webbers hustle. Come on people, it's one game;

Good point. Duke is still a great team despite loosing Laettner.
Most of their key players returned for the 1993 season.
Their fans are great, and make it very difficult for other teams
to play with poise (see winning streak at home).

Michigan has a great team and a lot of future. Their players
have yet a lot to learn playing against experienced teams.
They were well matched against Duke and lost.  For a Michigan
fan, it would have been a lot worse had the loss occurred in
Crysler Arena.  The season has not started yet, and people
are drawing general conclusions. Some others claim they should
have crushed opponnents like Rice, Detroit Mercy etc.  Some
others blame Fisher for not teaching them team basketball. Well,
after the home loss of Indiana by Kansas, that argument doesn't
fly either.  Knight and Fisher are different style coaches, but
give some credit to Fisher. I have recently watched the taped
1989 NCAA tournament games, and the TV commentators, were highly
praising Fisher for his coaching, use of time-outs, substitutions,
etc. C'mon guys face it! Fished did a great job there, and did
a great job last year. He actually runned the team practices
when B. Frieter was a coach.  Yes, he had some talent in the
team (most of the 1989 players are average NBA players though),
but he took a demoralised team (last home game a loss to Illinois),
with the coach who recruited them leaving them, and made a
championship team out of them.

He started 5 freshman in 1992, and rode with them to the final.
An achievement never matched before and most likely will not be
matched in the future. And yes, he teaches the basics. His message
to his players is "give up a great shot for an excellent shot".
This was followed to the letter by his team in the tournament.
In the six tournament games they had, five different players were
the "players-of-the-game". Now the players do a lot of showboating
but I am sure, once the season starts, they will focus to the
principles they took them to the NCAA finals. The talent is there,
and just by loosing a tough game, will make them a better team.

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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: USENET Top 25 (1/16/92)
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:32:33 GMT
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway


Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill) is kind enough to keep stats,
and writes:

> Also receiving votes:  Memphis State 116, Wake Forest 107, Ohio State 89,
> California 57, Iowa State 47, New Mexico State 46, Brigham Young 38,
> Alabama 36, Tennessee 32, Utah 32, Illinois 22, Vanderbilt 21,
> North Carolina-Charlotte 16, Florida 14, Virginia 13, Princeton 12,
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^
> Houston 11, Texas 8, Evansville 7, Texas-El Paso 6, Marquette 5,
> Oklahoma State 5, Rice 5, Oregon State 3, Maryland 2, Minnesota 2,
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^
> Mississippi State 2, Missouri 2, Alabama-Birmingham 1, Rutgers 1,
> Weber State 1, West Virginia 1, Xavier 1
 
 
 
With nearly everyone returning, and strong early season performances, I
would have expected Minnesota to be a little higher.
 
 
Why is Princeton getting so many votes, when U of P (which has none)
is expected to win the Ivy League this year?  Reputation?
 
Sheesh!  I guess I'll have to start voting :-)
 
Mark
From: rich@psipost.UUCP (Rich Main)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hurley
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:48:08 GMT
Organization: Post Software International, Wake Forest, NC

In article <matthew.724293377@base.cs.ucla.edu>, matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:
> 
> There are two things that strike me about Hurley's shooting:
> 
>   1. While he hits the 3 reasonably consistently, it is seldom from further
>      than 20'

Tell me, why should he shoot from further out when it's still only
worth 3 points???  He's not playing pro ball yet, so why bother to
shoot a longer shot in a game situation?  Of course, if you watched the
Michigan game, you saw Hurley stop and pop a three from WELL outside
the line, certainly an NBA three pointer (not the smartest shot, but it
fell).
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: What the hell is a Hoya?
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:59:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.184613.26776@u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu  
(Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:

> Oooooo!  Then we'd have something.  They could use a Shop-Vac for their 
> mascot and call themselves the Georgetown Vacuum!  I can hear the echoes at
> the Cap Center now--Let's go Vac-uum.  Clap-Clap, Clap-Clap-Clap!....

Actually, in the Big East-ACC challenge at the Cap Center several
years ago the Georgetown students kept chanting "Duke's in Durham",
in an obvious attempt to suggest that the (murder) Capital (and a
cross-town stadium with no public transportation, and ridiculously
high apartment rents to say nothing of draft beer prices) was better.  

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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: How's UNCC Doing?
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:47:43 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.181927.4236@cs.tulane.edu> William Keleher writes:
>
>  Can anybody out there in net.land fill me in on how the UNC-Charlotte
>49er's are doing?  It's surprisingly difficult to keep up with the rest
>of the METRO here in New Orleans.  I thought UNCC looked pretty strong
>at the start of the season with the inside/outside combo of Jarvis Lang
>and James Terrell.
>								   -Wm.

I'm anxious to hear how this team is doing as well.  When I read the Charlotte
Observer during Thanksgiving break, Ed Sorenson wrote a column about UNCC
center Jermain Parker, who had a big game againt Brandt Hagen of Germany (a
team which featured former UNCC standout Byron Dinkins).  Parker was in my
German I class at Enloe High School in Raleigh, N.C., before he was forced to
transfer to Sanderson High on a technicality.  Bookworm was 6-11 or so, while
our next tallest player was 6-5, so it hurt us pretty badly.  If anybody has
any info on Bookworm, I'd like to hear how he's doing.  Thanks.

TRIVIA: Nobody got this one last time, so I'll post it again.  Name the two
NBA players who went to Enloe High. (Hint: One played for Wake Forest, the
other for NC State.)

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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov (Orin Day)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: More Duke anti-woofing?
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:24:50 GMT
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

In article <1992Dec15.170626.27169@samba.oit.unc.edu>  
Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill) writes:

> Or was young Rob being sarcastic?  Who knows, but it was a solid post and
> a solid anti-woof effort.

> I believe, solidly, that UNC will be lucky to stay within 50 of Duke come
> February 3.  I think solid performances from "Rock Solid" Bobby Hurley,
> "Solid as a Rock" Grant Hill, and Thomas "More like a solid mountain than
> a" Hill, will doom the Heels.

Don't forget five solid fouls from Tony "My freethrows are solid, too!"
Lang.

Is the above the preferred punctuation, Mike?  Perhaps you can add;
a punctuation!!! primer in you're .sig (abbrev.) file, as the Big
10 currently holds the grammayre title.

The Atlantic 10 prieviously provieded spelling and punctuationon info,
but why leave it to just those loosers!!!  Joyn the fun!

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