From: jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)
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Subject: Summary Mon 8/10/92
Summary: Unofficial Summary for Monday, August 10, 1992
Keywords: Unofficial Summary Rush Limbaugh
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:25:13 GMT
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Unofficial Summary of the Rush Limbaugh Show

for Monday, August 10, 1992

by John Switzer

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August 10, 1992

MORNING UPDATE

Hollywood is gnashing its teeth and wringing its hands - the
summer, 1992 movie season has been a bomb. Cinemascore's ratings
of the 10 movies which were supposed to be the box-office block-
busters shows that only 3 of them were given an A-rating by
audiences. "Batman Returns," "Aliens^3," and "Mom and Dad Saved
the World" are some of the short-lived flicks.

The Motion Picture Association of America reports a 7% decline in
theater attendance over last year's figures, the biggest decline
in 10 years. The head of Walt Disney pictures blames a "lack of
culture" on the part of today's movies; movie makers are setting
their cultural sights too low.

This is not surprising since Newsweek's recent poll showed that
the Hollywood elite have far different values than most
Americans. It is Hollywood which is in left field, and it should
be evident that Hollywood's idea of entertainment is bombing
big-time because movie makers don't have anything in common with
the way most Americans live their lives.

FIRST HOUR

Rush is laughing uproariously over Clinton's appearance on CBS
this morning in which he said that he felt that his experience in
deploring the Arkansas National Guard has helped him to prepare
to be the nation's Commander-in-Chief. Among his many "tough
military calls," Clinton lists that he sent the National Guard to
training exercises in Central America, used them to stop a riot
of refugees, and had them remove extremists from "armed camps."

Rush says that he certainly feels a lot safer now, as this
settles any of his "last, lingering doubts" about Clinton's
foreign affairs experience. Breathing a sigh of relief, Rush is
glad to know that the draft-dodging Clinton can now be trusted
with the weighty affairs of state.

This subject brings up Clinton's other remarks on Bosnia-
Hercegovina, which in turn reminds Rush of the question he
relentlessly was asking on last Friday's show. He wonders if any
of his listeners were thinking about it while they were
barbecuing and water-skiing.

He immediately realizes that he has created a faux paus because
while he, Rush Limbaugh, was playing water polo this weekend, he
knows that his audience was certainly not enjoying themselves.
Instead, they were sitting inside, suffering and worrying about
how the future will certainly be worse than the present. Rush is
"terribly sorry for making the assumption that many of you are
enjoying life." He realizes that this is a very mean-spirited
assumption, and thus apologizes profusely for his insensitivity.

Rush repeats his question about why has Bush fallen from 90% to
33% in little more than two years. Unemployment has gone up at
most 2% points since the Gulf War, so does this explain it? In a
similar vein, who was it that opposed Desert Shield and Desert
Storm from the beginning to the end?

The answer is the Democrats, and they opposed military action in
such numbers that the ones who stand out today are those few who
supported Bush's actions in 1990. However, Rush wonders if anyone
can remember just one Democratic leader who supported Bush's
policies in the Gulf? There were no such leaders, although a
handful of Democrats did support Bush.

Rush similarly asks which Democrats were in favor of the invasion
of Grenada, either before or after the military action? Did any
Democrats speak out in favor of the invasion, even after it was
revealed that the Soviets were trying to establish another Cuba,
or that the neighboring countries had invited the US into the
region? Did any Democrats support the use of military force for
the invasion of Panama?

In short, since the Democrats' starting of the Vietnam War, have
there been any Democrats of prominence who have supported the use
of military force by the US? The Democrats fought military aid to
the Nicaragua Contras tooth and nail, and in this situation US
troops weren't even considered.

The answer to all these question is that there haven't been any
prominent Democrats who supported the use of military force. It
is thus curious that the Democratic party, which has been trying
to slash the military budget for years, and which savagely
attacked Reagan's build-up of the military, is now demanding the
use of military force in the former Yugoslavia. It is incredible
that men such as Bill Clinton are claiming that Bush is cowardly
for not taking immediate action. Clinton is even claiming that he
has the military experience to be Commander-in-Chief because he
has deployed the Arkansas National Guard.

People laugh at Dan Quayle, yet what is even more laughable and
frightening is that Bill Clinton, draft-dodger extraordinaire, is
demanding that Bush launch air strikes. Clinton claims Bush, a
man shoot down twice in WWII, is cowardly and has no resolve, and
Clinton claims that he would be a better President because of his
National Guard "experience."

Rush laughs at this, yet the media is not even addressing this
absurdity but is instead taking Clinton seriously. What is the
vital US interest in Serbia? Has the US bombed other places that
were having civil wars? It seems to Rush that the US has had some
experience in this regard, notably Vietnam, and things didn't
turn out too well there, did they?

*BREAK*

Rush gives the bottom line - if this were not an election year,
and the Democrats were not trying to create the illusion of
centrism, they would not be talking about military action at all.
In his soon-to-be released book, Rush has a chapter about how
conservatives are winning - proof of this can be seen in the fact
that the Democrats are trying to look like conservatives
themselves.

The American people are not idiots, and they will be able to see
through this sham on the part of the Democrats. There was massive
public support for the Gulf War, but right now only the Democrats
are demanding military action in Bosnia-Hercegovina. What can the
US, or UN, do - will a bunch of air-strikes clean everything up
nice and neat? The Serbs fought the Turks for 1,000 years, and
they aren't going to give up now just because the US is attacking
them.

There are human rights violations going on, certainly, and Rush
is outraged by them, but what is the US national interest
involved? There are human rights violations going on in South
Africa and elsewhere, but does that mean we should send military
forces there? The US has come to the defense of Europe time and
time again, and what is going on now is that old, life-long
hostilities are resurfacing, now that these areas are free of
Communist domination. Should the US take over the Communist role
now?

*BREAK*

Some people think that the Gulf War was fought to stop brutality
and human rights violations, but the main reason the US went into
the Gulf was to maintain the free flow of oil at market prices.
Oil is the fuel of the engine of freedom, and the world knows
this; this is why the UN signed on so quickly for Desert Shield
and Storm.

Oil is a justifiable reason since nearly half of the world's oil
was in this region. Critics attacked Bush for fighting a war for
oil, but Rush would love to see leftists heat their homes without
it. Oil is certainly worth fighting for since freedom today
cannot exist without it.

But what is the vital interest in Bosnia-Hercegovina? Rush
recalls the familiar Democratic and leftist complaint against US
attempts to control Soviet expansionism - "the US can't be the
policeman of the world." The US wasn't trying to be the world's
policeman, but to stop the most dangerous juggernaut that the
world has ever faced.

Stopping Communism was a vital US interest, but intervening in
the Yugoslavian civil war requires the US to become the world's
policeman. The only way to stop what is going on there right now
is to totally defeat Serbia; if people aren't willing to do this,
then the US should stay out.

Bill Clinton has not addressed this at all. The Democrats say
they want to talk about the issues, yet they will not commit
themselves to whatever force is needed to totally defeat Serbia.
If this were not an election year, Clinton and the rest of the
Democratic leadership wouldn't even be considering such moves.

However, since this is an election year, the Democrats have
decided that they are not going to repeat the mistakes made by
Dukakis and Mondale, and a willing media is gladly helping them.
The Democrats think that strong military action is what pleases
people and so that's why they're talking about it now.

This is curious behavior on the part of the party that always
attacked Republicans for being a party of hawks who wanted to
send America's young men to their deaths. Democrats accuse
Republicans of being war-mongers, yet they are the ones calling
most loudly for immediate action.

Is the US supposed to go in alone, without a strong mandate from
the UN? What happens if air strikes aren't enough, how far should
the US go? This is so aggravating to hear from Clinton and his
buddies precisely because it's so blatantly out of character and
opportunistic. The Democrats have been calling for deeper and
deeper cuts in defense, yet how can the US accept such cuts and
still be ready for the military action that Clinton wants to
implement?

*BREAK*

Ice-T has bought a home on the Sunset Strip for $1.2 million.
Rush wonders if Ice-T will now be accused of being an Uncle Tom
by South Central LA activists because he has "left the boyz in
the hood." Also, what will happen if someone robs Ice-T's house?
Will he call the cops, and if so, will they respond?

Rush bets that the LA papers tomorrow will say that he is
encouraging robbers to hit Ice-T's house; yet, don't criminals
rob only because they've been exploited by selfish, heartless
people like Ice-T?

Phone   Tina from Williamsport, PA

Tina gives dittos from the home of the Little League World
Series, and Rush wonders how come Tapei always wins the Little
League championships, but then chokes in the Olympics. Tina
doesn't know and then says that she laughed out loud when Bill
Clinton claimed that the White House was "listening to my advice"
on Bosnia-Hercegovina.

Rush reads a news story about Clinton's claiming credit for
Bush's position, and says that this is laughable; however,
Clinton's statement on CBS that he is prepared to be Commander-
in-Chief because he has deployed the Arkansas National Guard is
the real gut-buster. Of course, the only time Clinton has to be
worried about military action is when the people revolt because
of the polluted Arkansas rivers.

Phone   Ted from Poughkeepsie, NY

Ted sells cutting-edge technologies such as microchips to major
companies that build technological devices. He regularly sees a
lot of people being displaced in his industry because they can't
keep up with the quick changes going on. For example, IBM is
going through this right now and is laying off workers. This is
because technology improves so rapidly and drops in price so
quickly.

Rush comments that when Sony invented the Betamax in 1976 and it
cost $1500 and was able to record only one hour; today, though,
videotape recorders cost a fraction of this and can do a lot
more. Ted, though, is worried because the leaders right now are
Japan and other Pacific Rim countries, and he bets that
unemployment will get worse before getting better. Rush
understands this, but he is not really pessimistic because things
will get better and the US will catch up.

Rush comments that Al Gore is now saying that the US needs to
"get involved in the new technologies that will save the planet."

*BREAK*

The four police officers charged with the beating of Rodney King
have pleaded not guilty to federal civil rights charges. The
trial will start on September 29th, which means that it can
become a campaign issue. Rush is curious, though, as to why the
media always refers to "motorist Rodney King" instead of "drunk
driver Rodney King who was speeding up to 115 m.p.h."

*BREAK*

SECOND HOUR

Items

o       Bo Snerdley is on vacation this week, but his brother
Mervin is handling the phones in Bo's stead. Mervin is not as
conservative as either Bo or Rush, and thus plays Devil's
Advocate from time to time. Mervin asks if Rush really thinks the
Democrats are really just playing games during this election.
Rush replies that what the Democrats are doing is telling people
what they think the people want to hear. "They've wised up. It's
that simple."

o       Mount Pinatubo may erupt again, and thus it's brought
back into the news the spectre of global warming. Rush again says
that the environmental movement is the new home of socialism, and
is using gloom-and-doom predictions to give force to their calls
for bigger government. However, Rush is certain that if the US
were to turn socialist today, all talk about urgent environmental
problems would cease.

Mount Pinatubo's eruption will cool the world off even more,
disappointing the global warming activists. The environmentalists
say that global warming is happening but that Mount Pinatubo's
cooling effects are temporary. Thus, they are trying to portray
volcanos as something apart from nature, rather than as part of
the whole equation.

Mount Pinatubo's next eruption may be as strong as its eruption
which buried the US's airbases in the Philippines. Thus, since
the first eruption offset the effects of global warming for 5
years or so, this next one will setback the global warming nuts
even further. Rush bets that the activists will have to work
furiously to justify their calls for immediate action, and to
come up with even scarier lies and predictions.

o       Maxine Walters, co-chairman of Clinton's campaign, will
not apologize for saying that Bush doesn't care about black
Americans. Rush comments that Bush can't win on this issue, even
though he has made the United Negro College Fund the major
beneficiary of his campaign contributions. Thus, Walters'
original accusation that Bush is a racist and her subsequent
refusal to apologize shows the true bitterness and anger that
exists towards Bush.

Of course, if Bush or any other Republican had called Clinton a
racism or a cheater, the media would have attacked them
relentlessly. And if Quayle ever claims that he could be
Commander-in-Chief because of his National Guard service, the
media will savage him; yet they are ignoring Clinton's ridiculous
statement about his "experience" with the Arkansas National
Guard.

Producing a heavy sigh in the audience, Rush again asks why
Bush's rating has fallen so far in two and a half years. Bush was
at 90% during the Gulf War, which was after he supported the tax
increases in the 1990 budget deal. The recession was already
started at this point, yet Bush was still getting high ratings
from the people. The media, though, decided that Bush was getting
too much favorable coverage from his foreign policy successes and
started attacking him on domestic issues.

However, Bush's ratings were still high enough to convince all of
the Democratic first-string candidates not to run; this is why
the Democratic primaries saw a bunch of secondary candidates take
the lead. Bush then started to get pummeled at the start of the
Democratic primaries, not only by the Democrats, but also by
Buchanan and Rush himself.

Rush points out that he and his show endorsed the Buchanan
candidacy because he felt that the conservative message must
somehow be heard in the political debate. When Buchanan got 35%
in the New Hampshire primary, Bush's ratings started to fall, but
he still was doing far better than he is now.

The economy kept getting worse, and Bush is continually
criticized from all sides, without really responding. Ross Perot
then enters the race, and Bush's dominance in the polls vanishes.
Yet for the longest time, Bush still was keeping a slender
three-way lead. It wasn't until Perot and his supporters defected
to Clinton that Bush really started sliding down.

All of this contributes to Bush's current low ratings, but what
is really behind all this? Even if you consider Bush's 90% rating
to be artificially inflated because of the stresses of war, Bush
still had a solid 60% approval rating in 1990. The question still
has to be asked as to what caused Bush's decline.

*BREAK*

Today's USA Today reports that Clinton is now attacking Bush for
"presiding over the second largest tax increase in history." So
now the Democrats are claiming that the 1990 Budget Deal was
Bush's idea, instead of being a Democratic bill through and
through. Rush already explained this last week, and what was done
in 1990 is what Clinton will do if elected. Rush is amazed at the
brazenness of "these clowns" and he is "appalled, aghast, and
dumbfounded" at this. "I am outraged" he cries, in a passable
imitation of Molly Yard.

This is exactly what happens when you compromise with Democrats -
they come up with a tax bill that Bush compromised with in order
to move the country forwards, and then when the bill severely
deepened the recession, they claimed it was all Bush's idea. And
out of all the media, Rush is the only one pointing this out.

*BREAK*

Phone   Robert from Indianapolis, IN

Robert wants to talk about "Bill, Alexander the Great, Clinton"
and his plans to invade Serbia. He points out that Nazi Germany
had 37 of its toughest divisions tied up in Yugoslavia for 3
years, so how can Clinton's limited air strikes possibly stop the
civil war? Although air power did a great job in the Gulf War, it
didn't cause anyone to surrender. Thus, Robert wants to know what
Clinton really hopes to achieve.

Rush replies "get elected," especially since Clinton has pictures
on his side. The American people need pictures in order to
believe that something is happening, and pictures are now widely
available. Clinton knows this and he thinks that he can count on
American outrage about these atrocities. Thus, he is trying to
tell the American people what they want to hear. This is why
Clinton is talking like a conservative on this point - the
country is conservative.

Whether air strikes will work or not doesn't matter; what does
matter is that it will get the public's support. Robert points
out that Bush is doing what he thinks is right and is trying to
find a way to end the problems, while Clinton is trying to pander
to what he thinks the public wants. Rush says that Clinton is
banking on energizing the public by promising them pictures of
airplanes taking off and bombing the headquarters of "evil
Serbs."

The Democrats have not learned that victory counts, but instead
think that simply the show of force is enough. This is obvious
when Clinton thinks that commanding the National Guard is enough
experience to be Commander-in-Chief. As long as no American lives
are lost, Clinton will be more than willing to put on a show for
the American public.

Rush, though, doesn't know if there really is any public support
for the use of force against Serbia.

<<missing about two minutes because KTMS plays dead air>>

Rush doesn't know if 62% of the American public really supports
military involvement in the Yugoslavian civil war, but is the
President supposed to do what's right or what the people want?
Bill Clinton and Al Gore, though, would certainly say whatever
their audience wants to hear, and this is why they're talking
tough - they want the "hawk vote."

Rush's computer consultant this morning pointed out that Bush is
in a no-win situation - if he does take military action, he will
be immediately criticized for using military force just to
improve his political standing in the polls. Not one word would
be said about Bush doing what he thinks is right. And if Bush
doesn't use military force, he will be criticized for not wanting
to take Bill Clinton's advice. However, if Clinton were able to
send the Arkansas National Guard forces into Serbia, the press
would praise his decisiveness and courage.

Thus, Rush hopes that Bush simply does what is right and ignore
its effect on the polls. This is what Bush did in the Gulf War,
and his leadership inspired the rest of the country. The
situation in Yugoslavia, though, is not so easily defined, nor is
there any easy answer. Any victory in Serbia requires total
victory against the Serbs, who tied up 37 Nazi divisions for
three years. The Serbs have had a long history of struggle, and
it's absurd to think the current war has any easy solutions.

*BREAK*

Phone   Sally from Oklahoma City, OK

Sally mentions Clinton's bus driver, who was upset about working
too many hours. Sally says that truck and bus drivers are
regulated by the federal government as to how many hours they can
drive at one time. Thus, she doesn't think the driver was really
lazy, but only trying to obey the law.

Rush understands this, and says that when he first heard the
story he was trying to be fair to the Clinton campaign by putting
the blame on the driver. Of course, it was Clinton who is to
blame for forcing his driver to disobey the law, and the bus
driver was right in making his complaint. However, this shows
that Rush's one attempt to be fair to Clinton has only insulted
blue collar workers, who are one of Clinton's core constituent
groups.

Rush hopes that the country takes a lesson from this - Clinton
supposedly cares about blue collar workers, yet insists that one
of his employees disobey the law. Thus, when Bill Clinton says
that he is going to raise taxes, chances are that most people are
going to be in the target group.

*BREAK*

Phone   George from Wilmette, IL

George thinks that Rush is giving out one lie and false-hood
after another. George doubts that there really is an "EIB
Building" - he looked for one while he was visiting Penn Station,
and eventually realized that the EIB offices were just part of
the Penn Station complex. Rush says that George obviously didn't
ask the "right" policeman.

George also doubts Rush's claim that he has 400 new listeners per
second; Rush corrects him - it's 432 new listeners per listeners
per second. George doesn't believe this because it means Rush
would have to have 4.5 million new listeners per three-hour show.
Rush congratulates George for actually running the numbers
himself and figuring it out. Perhaps George will now be as
critical of liberal figures, such as Mitch Snyder's now famous
comment that 45 homeless people die every second.

George, though, says that since Rush's figures aren't true, it's
equally untrue that Clinton wants to use US forces in Bosnia.
George also believes that Bush will go to the UN to get them to
act because Margaret Thatcher wants him to; this is why Bush
started the Gulf War, "because Margaret Thatcher said so." <<You
know, George really does sound like a reasonable person. I guess
appearances are deceiving.>>

Rush gags at George's mention of both Bush and Thatcher in the
same sentence. However, Clinton does want the US to send in air
strikes, under the aegis of the United Nations. George agrees
about this, and says that he got the impression from listening to
Rush that Clinton was going to send the US military into Bosnia
as a unilateral action.

Rush says that this is his whole point - that Clinton and the
Democratic party are on the side of military action, which is a
curious thing given the Democrats' 20-year opposition to such use
of force.

George wants to make a comment on family values - he has been
married for 20 years to the same person, and he wonders how Rush
can lecture him on family values. Rush doesn't believe he was
lecturing anyone on family values, but only pointing out that the
Democrats' version of family values does not match what most
Americans believe them to be.

*BREAK*

THIRD HOUR

o       The Queen Elizabeth 2 ocean liner hit an underwater
ledge, resulting in a 74-foot gash in its hull. Its 1800
passengers had to be evacuated at sea. Rush thinks that something
about this is screwy - surely, modern technology has come up with
some clever devices such as sonar which can detect the ocean
floor? Supposedly, however, when Ted Kennedy heard about this he
said "well, when I returned, Mary Jo and the steamship were
gone."

o       A scuba diver who learned to mock the dolphins' mating
call was attacked by a male dolphin after he made the sound while
in the water off the Florida coast. The diver suffered only minor
gashes and bruises as friends were on hand to rescue him. Rush
wonders if dolphins are so smart, then why didn't they realize
that the man was faking it?

o       Anita Hill addressed the American Bar Association at a
lunch in San Francisco on Sunday. The convention hall was filled
with 1500 lawyers who paid $37 apiece to hear Hill, while 1,000
were waiting outside. The news makes this sound like a big deal,
and Rush comments that these numbers are smaller than a bad night
for a Rush to Excellence tour. Rush has had overflow crowds
before, yet the news never makes a big deal about it.

Rush has a picture of Anita Hill speaking, and at the table is
Hillary Clinton, whose nameplate reads "Hillary Rodham Clinton."
Rush is amused that Clinton is "inching" her maiden name back
into the public eye.

o       Jack Clark, Boston Red Sox designated hitter with an $8
million contract, has declared bankruptcy. Rush rejoices that one
of the hated rich is in trouble and having problems. This will
obviously improve the lives of all of those suffering in America.

o       The EIB Institute's Memory Division is full of people who
remember stuff. Their recent report on Bill Clinton reveals that
Clinton's plan to "invest in America" has already been tried in
New Jersey. Governor Jim Florio raised taxes on everything to
fund his "investment." Among other taxes, there was a new tax on
heavy trucks; this tax, though, didn't generate any money because
it forced truck buyers to go out of state, thereby ruining New
Jersey's truck dealers.

Governor Cuomo also said that Jim Florio should be elected
President because he had the "courage" to raise taxes. Rush
thanks his Memory Division for their head-swelling attempts to
remember everything. The result of Florio's efforts, though,
resulted in a voters' revolt which removed Democratic majorities
in both state congressional houses in only one election. The
single issue which Republicans used to win was that they would
lower taxes.

Conservatives have also remembered this because they have sent a
memo to Bush to encourage him to adopt an economic plan that
includes tax cuts and economic growth. This is the only way Bush
can put himself in opposition to Clinton's calls for more taxes
and increased spending. Clinton's plans have already failed on a
state level, so why should they be allowed to fail on a national
level?

o       Rush congratulates Mervin Snerdley for finding such a
great troublemaker in George from Wilmette. He laughs at how
pleased the guy was because he figured out Rush was "lying" when
he says he has 400 new listeners a second. Mervin says that the
guy's real point was that Rush shouldn't talk about family values
because he isn't married and doesn't have a family. Rush calls
this the same old logic that claims one has to be drunk to
understand drunks, and he pities the guy who had probably been
trying for months to get through, and when he does, he blows his
big chance.

*BREAK*

Rush comments that Newsweek's "Conventional Wisdom" box is
particularly vicious this week. The conventional wisdom has Bush
going sideways, with him "being amassed in foreign policy
miscues, but it sure beats running for President." The reporter
who broke the death camp story has a rising arrow, but the
convention wisdom says "nobody believed it until TV." Marshall
Joseph Tito is praised because "at least Yugo-Commies didn't
commit genocide."

Phone   Jeff from La Mesa, CA

Jeff had called last week, but Rush didn't have time for his call
so EIB has called him back. Jeff wants to talk about the decision
by BART directors to extend employee benefits to the live-in
partners of homosexual employees but not to those of heterosexual
employees. Rush called this a classic case of reverse
discrimination, but Jeff disagrees because heterosexual employees
can get married while homosexuals cannot.

Jeff admits that this is reverse discrimination against
heterosexuals, but as long as there is a double standard about
homosexual marriages, this is the best that can be done. Rush
says that marriage has a number of social connotations that
cannot be met by homosexual couples; having children and families
is certainly the major one. Marriage has been under assault for
some time now, resulting in high divorce rates and a decline in
family values. Rush holds Jeff over the break so that he can
reply.

*BREAK*

Phone   Jeff from La Mesa, CA (continued)

Jeff says that you can't legislate family values - for example,
if marriage is supposed to produce children, then should the
state require couples to have kids? Rush says that he is not
trying to legislate anything, but to prevent people from having
the societal benefits of marriage without having to bother with
the corresponding responsibilities.

Jeff says that straight couples who live together outside of
marriage have made a specific choice to do so, while homosexual
couples don't have that option. He would thus like to eliminate
both types of discrimination. Until homosexuals have the option
of getting married, then there's no way to tell which of them are
making a marriage-style commitment.

This confuses Rush - heterosexual couples who don't get married
aren't getting the benefits that BART is giving all homosexual
couples. Jeff says that at least the heterosexuals have that
choice to make. Rush says that his main point on this is that
many people are slighting marriage and treating it as nothing
more than a way to get benefits or a better tax return. Marriage
is not intended for such purposes.

Jeff agrees, but says that this means that all such societal
benefits should be removed from all couples, married or
otherwise. Rush says that he does not think that heterosexual
couples living together without marriage should be considered a
couple for the sake of getting corporate benefits. He doesn't
think business should become a form of welfare.

If people can get the benefits of marriage without any of the
responsibilities, then marriage is totally worthless. This has
already happened in Hollywood, where couples can have children
outside of marriage, yet heaven help those who would call these
kids "bastards." Marriage and its corresponding values are
frowned upon by the media elites, who ridicule such things as
being "old-fashioned."

It is certainly discriminatory for businesses to give benefits to
unmarried homosexual couples but not to unmarried heterosexuals.
However, the solution is not to grant benefits to unmarried
heterosexuals. Jeff, though, is bothered by the idea of the state
dictating such things to society.

Rush says that the state is not responsible for this; marriage is
a religious tradition and a long-time social institution. The
state has nothing to do with it except to recognize marriage in a
legal sense. Marriage simply has no meaning when applied to
homosexual couples; if this is desired, then a new term must be
coined for this purpose. Jeff thinks that this distinction is
valid for religions, but not for the state which could recognize
homosexual marriages.

Rush disagrees - marriage means a union between a man and a
woman. Jeff wonders why marriage couldn't just mean a union of
two people, at least in a legal sense. Rush again disagrees; any
such definition would destroy the values inherent in the marriage
institution. This is all part of the culture war in which those
on the outside of society are trying to redefine social
institutions so that those on the outside can be considered
normal.

Jeff still sees a difference between marriage as seen by the
state and by religions. Rush disagrees - marriage as it has
traditionally exists has created a family structure that
separates man from the animal world. People can trace their
ancestors thanks to the institution of marriage, and he doesn't
want to see the definition of marriage changed so that it
includes those on the fringes.

If benefits are going to be given to unmarried couples, then a
new definition apart from marriage should be created. Businesses
could then decide whether they want to recognize this new term.
This is no different than the Catholic Church which will not
ordain women; the definition of a Catholic priest does not
include women. People choose to join the Catholic Church, and
they therefore accept the definition of Catholicism.

Jeff agrees, but says that this sort of exclusion cannot be
accepted by the state, which right now is excluding people from
its definition of marriage.

*BREAK*

Phone   Michael from Lynn, MA

Michael thinks Rush doesn't understand that Bush is not a
conservative. Rush says that he knows full well Bush is not a
conservative. Michael believes Bush has two priorities - 1) to
give money away to the rich and 2) to be re-elected so that he
can continue giving money away to the rich. For example, "every
punk, thug, and con-artist" was given a chance to rob the
nation's S&Ls because of deregulation.

Rush calls this cliched logic, and he points out that many of
those involved in the S&L scandal were friends of Democrats, not
Bush. Michael, though, thinks that Bush is moral but confused;
Bush wants to make people into millionaires because being rich is
the only life worth living.

Rush is tired of the endless assault on those in this society who
achieve success through their own hard work. If Bush wants to
make people rich, then Rush is all for this; liberals, though,
are upset that there are more millionaires today than 12 years
ago. This is great news, though - most rich got that way through
their own hard work, not by cheating the rest of the country.
Democrats have far more to answer for as far as cheating goes
than do any Republicans.

Rush is tired of hearing this kind of crap from liberal
Democrats, and he tells his audience "if you really believe this
you're a moron. You are just a sponge who is willing to soak up
any stupidity that the liberal Democrats will throw out there in
the form of a lie just to get elected. This is why it burns me,
folks, because this crap really works."

*BREAK*

Phone   Lars from Los Angeles, CA

Instead of dittos, Lars says "damn, you're good." He thinks Bush
has fallen so far in the polls not only because of the media
propaganda, but also because he is appearing so ineffectual in
the campaign. By waiting until after the Republican convention to
start campaigning, Bush appears to be a prize fighter who is
getting pummeled without raising a hand in self-defense. Lars
agrees with Evans and Novak who stated that Bush should learn a
few lessons from Rush on how to campaign.

Rush, of course, agrees, and takes Lars' number so that he can
call him back tomorrow.

-- 
John Switzer               | "My name is Hillary. It's a German
                           | name that means 'She whose bosoms
74076.1250@Compuserve.com  | defy gravity.'" -- from Top Secret,
jrs@netcom.com             | a vastly underpraised movie