From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)
Subject: Re: Christian racism
Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:09:11 GMT

g-skinner@uiuc.edu writes: >
mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes: >>
>
>>If you want more, why don't you just ask?
>
>Oops.  Yes, I meant to conclude with a request for pointers to the
>further evidence.  I'll add that now: Ms. Hausman, please share with
>us the scads of evidence of Fundamentalist Christian child abuse or
>murder.

I must defer to David Rice for the studies.  The two pieces of
evidence I posted were only to illustrate that Xian child abuse
is commmon.  Both these cases occurred in Santa Clara county,
with a population of about 1.5 million.  

A recently published book, whose author and title elude me,
but perhaps another a.a. readers can supply the evidence, gives
copious evidence of child molestation by Catholic priests over
the last 40 years.  I am sure you read of the case of the ex-priest
who was also accused of attacking his baby sitter, and had molested
dozens of boys when he was a priest.  This was in the news last
month.

Did you know that the Catholic Church has a treatement center
for pedophilic priests in New Mexico?  *THAT'S* how extensive
this problem is.

Now, the reason I brought this up in the first place was because
Mr. Marcus has repeatedly told a.a. readers he had evidence of
Satinic child abuse and molestation.  He kept saying he'd type
it in later but he was busy.  This went on for weeks.  Finally,
he stopped answering when a.a. readers asked him to post the
evidence.  So, I posted to remind him that he still hasn't given
us the evidence he promised he would, nor would he retract his
unproven statements.

On the other hand, many stories and studies have been posted on
a.a. showing the prevalance of child abuse by Xians, both clergy
and within the family.  My contention is that Xianity fosters
such abuse, and the claim of Satanic child abuse is a projection
of the actual occurrences by the Xians themselves.  My recent
"Mind of the Bible Believer"  discussion  with Malcolm Lee
discussed the roots of the psychological problems caused by
Xianity.

Your original statement that my comments to Mr. Marcus did not
refute his argument is technically correct, in that I was not
addressing his argument.  However, you are incorrect in calling
my comments ad hominem.  An ad hominem argument would be "You're
an idiot, so I don't care what you have to say."  My statment
was that Mr. Marcus has a track record of making assertions
without proof, and that therefore he had no credibility with
me.  It is a fact that Mr. Marcus repeatedly ducks requests to
back up statements he makes.  I did not insult Mr. Marcus, as
an ad hominem argument would do.  I pointed out that he should
refrain from posting on a.a. until he retracts or supports his
previous arguments.

>(For clarity I'll note again that I'm not skeptical of the claim.  I'm
>simply curious to see how her figures compare to those of, say, U.S.
>society as a whole.  Lest I be accused of harboring hidden motives
>I'll add that I'm also interested in discovering whether she is
>willing to "practice what she preaches", so to speak, with regard to
>substantiating claims.)

Again, David Rice is the subject matter expert.  I am referring
to studies posted by him, and to a book that has been discussed
on this newsgroup.

Other a.a. readers can substantiate the thread where Mr. Marcus
claimed there was Satanic child abuse (and even child murder!)
but deferred all requests to substantiate his claims.  When asked
now, he ignores such postings.

-- 
Maddi Hausmann                       |  The Truth is still The Truth, forsooth 
madhaus@netcom.com                   |  Even if believing It you refuse
Centigram Communications Corp        |  Complete disproof's uncouth and moot
San Jose California  408/428-3553    |  A Fundie's brain is dead.

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