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From: dms50304@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darkman)
Subject: Re: Please teach me how to open locks
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:55:36 GMT

acc23403@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Anthony C.) writes:

>I dont think that you can use a paperclip to pick locks where the
>springs of the pins have a normal tension.  A paperclip does not
>have enough tensile strength to be used as a pick.  Streetcleaner
>bristles on the other hand work well.

using a bent open big safety pin can work well too.

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From: dude@losers.hacktic.nl
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re:  Re: Please teach me how to open locks
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:47:31 GMT
Organisation: black mail inc.

In article  <spencer.711677323@infs4>, Greg Spencer writes:
 S> struggle@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (robotron) writes:
 S> 
 S> > Last Saturday I locked myself out of my house and I had to sleep in the 
 S> > open sky to feed myself to the mosquitos. Now I wish I had the skill to
 S> > unlock my door.
 
 Well, no problem, just kick in the door or use a crowbar :)
 
 S> > I wonder how a person can open the lock just by poking the key hole with 
 S> > a paper clipper, since a paper clipper pokes at only one point and the
 S> > configuration in the lock is so complex.
 
 Nobody can open a lock with just one paperclip or picking tool (I don't
 think a jimmy qualifies as a 'picking' tool). That is just a hollywood
 myth. Most of the time you use two tools: one tension tool and one pick/rake
 tool. The tension wrench is used to apply slight pressure on the lock, the
 pick/rake tool is used to lift the pins or levers.
 Well, just read the FAQ, or buy a simple book on lock picking. As for the
 rest: the only way to learn it is practice, practice,  practice and a lot
 of practice.  
 
 S> However I do find it unlikely that you will get a replie people in 
 S> alt.locksmithing seem to be unfreindly towards strangers!
 
 No way, who gave you that impression ? Just don't ask too much
 silly questions that are already in the FAQ. Be nice to them, and they'll
 be nice to you..
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths)
Subject: Re: High quality padlocks (was Re: Security of Master combination locks
Cc: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:04:00 +0000


> I had never seen anything like this before.  I looked on the back and
> I think it was made in Germany.  Does anyone know what it's called,
> what its strengths and weaknesses are, how much it costs and where I
> could get one?

Sounds like an Abus Discus, and yes it is German. They're about the
best padlock available in the UK (I think one of the UK makers makes
something very similar too).

The lock mechanism is orthodox, but good quality. I don't know of any
clever tricks inside it. It's real plus is that it's practically
impossible to lever or cut off, as there is no room to get a bar
behind the shackle, or much room to get a big cutter onto it. If I
*had* to cut one off (legally, so I wasn't worried about time) I think
I'd start by going through the whole body - there just isn't any
access to that shackle. I've also heard it recommended for use on
boats or in harbours, as it's supposed to be quite spray resistant
against corrosion.

Not cheap, 2 or 3 times average price for a good padlock, but if it's
worth locking, it's worth locking well.

          Andy Dingley    dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk
From: psr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ben the Crafter)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: lockpicks
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:35:34 GMT
Organization: UB

I got alot of mail concerning the address of the company that sold me the picks.
Someone should put this in a FAQ.

Gall Inc.
800-477-7766
part # Go5aals15


-Strider

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From: bobk@ESD.3Com.COM (Bob Konigsberg)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Kwikset temporary master key system
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:16:29 GMT

ben@monmouth.edu (Bennett Broder) writes:
Your faith in humanity.  In another case (NOT Kwikset), Corbin used to have
a system where there was a ball bearing in one or more pin stacks, and
when the final owner's key was used, it would force the ball bearing up
above the shear line, and when the core was turned, the bearing would fall
into a hole in the side of the plug.  It it possible that Kwikset MAY have
used a similar system.  The other pins would be there (this IS conjecture), so
that a potential burglar would not know which pin was the bearing, and so
his key would be 'off' in more than one place to prevent figuring out
which pin was which, thereby preventing "reverse engineering" of a working
master key.

>I have a question for the lock wizards....

>When I bought my home, the keys came with an info card from Kwikset saying
>that the locks when first installed would work with a contractors pass key,
>but that once I used my keys, the pass key would no longer work.  When I had
>the cylinder out last night to reverse its orientation in the lockset, I
>couldn't resist the temptation to dump the pins out of the cylinder and see
>how this works.  All I found is what looked like a conventional master key
>setup... four of the pins had two breaks in them, the fifth had just one.
>What is it that supposedly keeps the pass key from working after the owners
>key is inserted?

>-- 

>Bennett Broder               Monmouth College
>                             Computer Services
>ben@monmouth.edu             W. Long Branch, NJ 07764
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Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: gil@smtc21.engr.scarolina.edu (Gil Young)
Subject: Those MasterLocks
Summary: Idle but appropriate question about Masterlock commercials
Keywords: MasterLocks, Master Locks, masterlocks, Masterlocks
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 21:18:04 GMT

Here's a thing I've been pondering:

  On those Masterlock commercials, they say you can put a bullet
  through one of their padlocks, and it will stay locked.  Fine
  and good.  What I was wondering, though, is what happens when
  I come out to the shed and see a bullet hole through my lock
  (and the shed, and my fertilizer, etc. [not that I *have* a
  shed) and I want to open the shed?  That's right, I can't get
  my key into a lock with a damn bullet hole in it, can I?  What
  do you Knowledgeable Locksmith People say about that?

Gil Young
gil@smtc21.engr.scarolina.edu
From: wadswort@babss.UUCP (John H. Wadsworth)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Those MasterLocks
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:18:20 GMT
Followup-To: alt.locksmithing
Distribution: world
Organization: Bell Atlantic Business Systems Service Branford, Ct.
Keywords: MasterLocks, Master Locks, masterlocks, Masterlocks

In article <XmZNoB2w165w@hale.cts.com> system@hale.cts.com (System Administration) writes:
>Shave off 6 rivet heads and you can have the entire lock fall apart in 
>your hand.

Or get a bolt cuter. Last time I had to get through one, I went to the
hardware store and bought a cheap bolt cuter for about $15. Chomp!
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re:  Re: Please teach me how to open locks
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:11:12 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <BrtJqx.C4K@cs.columbia.edu>  amb@cs.columbia.edu (andrew m. boardman) writes:
> In article <072192150346dude@losers.hacktic.nl> dude@losers.hacktic.nl writes:
> > Nobody can open a lock with just one paperclip or picking tool (I don't
> > think a jimmy qualifies as a 'picking' tool).
>
> Weeelllllll....  For cheap padlocks, or *really* cheap larger ones (i.e.,
> Kwikset, or the very worn Yales around here), it's doable to use the pick
> to apply torque as well as manipulate the pins.

Or for things like ignition locks, where there's convenient "wings"
that you can grab to torque the cylinder.

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
From: bill@hacktic.nl (Bill Squire)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Security
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:05:48 GMT
Organization: Hack-Tic Magazine

willic6@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu (Charles Williams) writes:

> How secure are Master Combination locks. Not the fancy ones, just the spin-di
> 
> Thanks,

While in theory there are 64,000 combinations, in practice there are more
like 1000 combinations since you can be +/-2 marks off and it will still
work.  In effect there are about ten possible positions on the dial.  I had
a friend, when he was a kid, loved to steal peoples Master locks.  I've
seen this person open a Master combination lock in less than thirty
seconds!  He says one minute is tops.  The Master is probably even less
secure than the push-button Simplex locks that guard lots of sensitive
things in the USA.  Here in Europe everyone seems to be wise to both types
of lock and neither is ever used as a "primary source of security" in any
application.

                                                        Bill
From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Please teach me how to open locks
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:37:56 GMT

From article <1992Jul23.230319.31267@news.weeg.uiowa.edu>,
by smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead):
> 
>        ... how do you get each pin depressed the right amount when you've
> only got one um... pin-depressor? Do you keep the torque applied the whole
> time so each time you get a pin to the correct depth, it will sorta stick
> on the edge of its receptor hole?

			Exactly!  That's why you need
			a torsion wrench as well as a
			pick.  First, you apply a bit
			of torque to the lock with the
			wrench, then you start to fool
			with the pins.

				Doug Jones
				jones@cs.uiowa.edu
From: willic6@rs6121.ecs.rpi.edu (Charles Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Getting Master Lock CODES
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:04:47 GMT
Reply-To: willic6@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

Someone mentioned that there is a book that has the matching combinations for 
every Master Lock serial number. What is this book called. Who writes it?
Where could I buy it or see it?  Could someone give some specifics about this
book? Especially, Title, Author, Publisher.

thanks.
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E. Schaffer)
Subject: Re: Those MasterLocks
Keywords: MasterLocks, Master Locks, masterlocks, Masterlocks
Organization: Computing Center, North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:21:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.211804.22953@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu> gil@smtc21.engr.scarolina.edu (Gil Young) writes:
>Here's a thing I've been pondering:
>
>  On those Masterlock commercials, they say you can put a bullet
>  through one of their padlocks, and it will stay locked.  Fine
>  and good.  What I was wondering, though, is what happens when
>  I come out to the shed and see a bullet hole through my lock
>  (and the shed, and my fertilizer, etc. [not that I *have* a
>  shed) and I want to open the shed?  

  Now you *have* to get a shed!

>That's right, I can't get
>  my key into a lock with a damn bullet hole in it, can I?  What
>  do you Knowledgeable Locksmith People say about that?

  That's why hacksaws were invented.  Cut-off tools also work.

--henry schaffer  n c state univ
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: cubanski@tensor4.WPI.EDU (David J Cubanski)
Subject: Re: masters
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:36:45 GMT

In article <2a76c6bc@babyoil.ftp.com>, hobbit@babyoil.ftp.com (*Hobbit*) writes:
|>    A crack list would look something like this:  00-00-NN, 00-04-NN, 00-08-NN,
|>    ........36-28-NN, 36-32-NN, 36-36-NN.
|> 
|> Oh, please.  All you really need for these things is the first number, the rest
|> falls out by differential pressure.
|> 
|> _H*

What, exactly, do you mean by 'differential pressure'?  In any of the
master combination locks whose innards I have examined, There is a
toothed wheel which thwarts any attempt to deduce any combination
numbers by 'feel' or any kind of manipulation.  (That is, with the
exception of the last number.)

-- 
-------------------------------
David Cubanski

Electrical Engineering Dept.
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Worcester, MA  01609

cubanski@wpi.wpi.edu
-------------------------------
From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Please teach me how to open locks
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:04:36 GMT
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex

Others said
# >Also is their any affective way of opening a combination lock like
# >those on safes?
# 
# Yes, but on a decent safe it is very time-consuming, takes a lot of
# 'feel', practice, and probably instruction from someone who can do it.

The only GSA approved lock for safe-containers storing classified is
the Mas-Hamimton X-07.  I would rate the difficulty of opening this
lock by manipulation as "When Hell Freezes over".........

You see, the X-07 is electronic, with an LCD readout. It's powered by a
tiny generator - you "spin it up" with three turns to rechange one of
the Farad size caps.

The S&G 8500 series locks that were approved were not that easy to get
past, either ;_] You see, the fence does not ride on the wheelpacks. It
sits up until you have dialed in all three numbers, gone back to zero,
and then pushed in and turned. Only then does the fence fall into the
notches (or fail to). Makes it hard to feel for the fence dragging ;-{

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From: willic6@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu (Charles Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Security
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:31:36 GMT
Reply-To: willic6@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

How secure are Master Combination locks. Not the fancy ones, just the spin-dial ones that are generally used for lockers. Are they easily infiltrated? How much time would it take for someone experienced to get into one of these? What could I do to prevent this, what would he do to get into the lock. Is there any information on the subject available in printed form?

Thanks,
From: ben@monmouth.edu (Bennett Broder)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Kwikset temporary master key system
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:12:45 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764


I have a question for the lock wizards....

When I bought my home, the keys came with an info card from Kwikset saying
that the locks when first installed would work with a contractors pass key,
but that once I used my keys, the pass key would no longer work.  When I had
the cylinder out last night to reverse its orientation in the lockset, I
couldn't resist the temptation to dump the pins out of the cylinder and see
how this works.  All I found is what looked like a conventional master key
setup... four of the pins had two breaks in them, the fifth had just one.
What is it that supposedly keeps the pass key from working after the owners
key is inserted?

-- 

Bennett Broder               Monmouth College
                             Computer Services
ben@monmouth.edu             W. Long Branch, NJ 07764
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: davidb@zeus.ce.washington.edu (David W. Barts)
Subject: Re: Security of Master combination locks
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 05:41:36 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.011808.12874@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher) writes:
> Ther are two padlocks I trust:
> Combination: The GSA approved S & G 8077 lock. Certified to
>        	     protect classified data in the US. Nice shiny case.
> 
> Key: Medeco Protector. You do NOT want to lose the key to your Medeco. 
> 		       Sure it can be removed - just get full tanks in
> 		       your torch first.

Of course, if I was a bad guy and wanted to break into a storage unit
with one of these locks on it, I'd forget about attacking the lock as
soon as I saw it and concentrate my efforts on the hasp (or some other
possible means of ingress like breaking through a wall from an adjacent
unit).

If I knew a particular weakness about the storage facility (such as the
existence of weak walls between units), I might even use the presence
of high-quality padlocks to help decide which units to break in to (if
they put a good lock on the door, there must be good stuff inside).

--
David Barts  N5JRN                      UW Civil Engineering, FX-10
davidb@ce.washington.edu                Seattle, WA  98195
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Please teach me how to open locks
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:08:16 GMT
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: The Village Waterbed

In  <BruL3A.IwD@news.cso.uiuc.edu>  acc23403@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Anthony C.) writes:
> I dont think that you can use a paperclip to pick locks where the
> springs of the pins have a normal tension.  A paperclip does not
> have enough tensile strength to be used as a pick.

I've done it in an emergency (the *one* time I went out without my picks).
Opened a Master padlock with a couple of paperclips.

Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
From: ben@monmouth.edu (Bennett Broder)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Those MasterLocks
Keywords: MasterLocks, Master Locks, masterlocks, Masterlocks
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:28:42 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, NJ  07764

In article <1992Jul26.211804.22953@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu> gil@smtc21.engr.scarolina.edu (Gil Young) writes:
+Here's a thing I've been pondering:
+
+  On those Masterlock commercials, they say you can put a bullet
+  through one of their padlocks, and it will stay locked.  Fine
+  and good.  What I was wondering, though, is what happens when
+  I come out to the shed and see a bullet hole through my lock
+  (and the shed, and my fertilizer, etc. [not that I *have* a
+  shed) and I want to open the shed?  That's right, I can't get
+  my key into a lock with a damn bullet hole in it, can I?  What
+  do you Knowledgeable Locksmith People say about that?
+
+Gil Young
+gil@smtc21.engr.scarolina.edu

You need to find a friend with a gun and get him to shoot a hole in
your key.

Of course :-)

-- 

Bennett Broder               Monmouth College
                             Computer Services
ben@monmouth.edu             W. Long Branch, NJ 07764
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: dms50304@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Darkman)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: Instructions/Illustrations
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:32:46 GMT

pczap@amherst.edu writes:

>	Can anyone please PHOTOCOPY the GIF (in printed form) of the
>instructions for making a set of picks - or any similar PRINTED 
>instructions/illustrations and SEND it to:

>	P. Czap III
>        144 West St.
>        Amherst, MA 01002

>I assume the GIF represents state of the art tools - this is what I am 

Hahahaha.... you're in for a surprise.  The gifs are homemade tools -- far from
"state of the art".  Someone just laid there tools on a scanner and voila.

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Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Organization: large
Date: 30 Jul 1992 12:29:20 EDT
Expires: 1 Apr 93 12:34
Subject: differential pressure
From: hobbit@babyoil.ftp.com (*Hobbit*)

You might carefully examine the heights and depths of that toothed wheel that
is the "directly-connected" disk.  The tooth tips are above the level of the
rest of the wheels, but the valleys are *below* the rest of the wheels.  By
pulling on the shackle and turning the dial through the width of one "valley"
and feeling the resistance, you can tell if you landed on the other wheels
or the bottom of the valley.  Obviously if you landed in the valley, the other
wheels are lined up at the gate.

_H*
From: system@hale.cts.com (System Administration)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: Re: Those MasterLocks
Keywords: MasterLocks, Master Locks, masterlocks, Masterlocks
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:19:20 GMT
Organization: Hale Telecommunications San Diego CA

gil@smtc21.engr.scarolina.edu (Gil Young) writes:

> Here's a thing I've been pondering:
> 
>   On those Masterlock commercials, they say you can put a bullet
>   through one of their padlocks, and it will stay locked.  Fine
>   and good.  What I was wondering, though, is what happens when
>   I come out to the shed and see a bullet hole through my lock
>   (and the shed, and my fertilizer, etc. [not that I *have* a
>   shed) and I want to open the shed?  That's right, I can't get
>   my key into a lock with a damn bullet hole in it, can I?  What
>   do you Knowledgeable Locksmith People say about that?
> 


Ok, so the masterlock can stand up against a .308 tearing through it,
but it still can't stand up against a little file work on the heads if
the rivets that hold the stamped metal case together.

Shave off 6 rivet heads and you can have the entire lock fall apart in 
your hand.


             -=-  System Administrator  system@hale.cts.com  -=-
                      Hale Telecommunications, San Diego
From: rop@hacktic.nl (Rop Gonggrijp)
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
Subject: FAQ request
Date: 22 Jul 92 23:47:32 GMT
Organization: Hack-Tic Magazine

I need an archive site for this group. Is there a FAQ available from
somewhere?

Thanks,

--------------------------------------------------------------
Rop Gonggrijp (rop@hacktic.nl)                 I AM SPOOK-FOOD
fax: +31 20 6900968                              ^^
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Those MasterLocks
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:14:16 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.211804.22953@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu>, gil@smtc21.engr.scarolina.edu (Gil Young) writes:
>  .. I come out to the shed and see a bullet hole through my lock
>   (and the shed, and my fertilizer, etc. [not that I *have* a
>   shed) and I want to open the shed?  That's right, I can't get
>   my key into a lock with a damn bullet hole in it, can I?  What
>   do you Knowledgeable Locksmith People say about that?

Sounds like a good idea to me.  Shooting a hole in it might be the only
way to make a Master lock even remotely secure.  You never know when someone
with a blunt instrument like a coat hanger or pitchfork might come by and
pick it.
--scott
Newsgroups: alt.locksmithing