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From: olems@ulrik.uio.no (Ole Michael Selberg)
Subject: Re: snipp snapp snute
Followup-To: soc.culture.nordic
Organization: Oslo University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:43:40 GMT

In article <1gk0khINN664@bHARs12c.bnr.co.uk>, sizex@stl.stc.co.uk (Eric
Barber) wrote:
> 
> A play for children based on the Snow Queen by Hans Christian Anderson
> is being performed the Newcastle-under-Lyme this Christmas. One
> of the characters, the robber girl, says "snipp snapp snur" frequently.
> Is that the beginning of the Danish for "snipp snapp snute, tiden er ute"
> as said in Norway? Is it a folk-saying or does it have literary
> antecedents?
> 

"Snipp snapp snute, saa er eventyret ute" is a set phrase that
signals the end of many of Asbjoernsen and Moe's Norwegian fairytales.
It's mentioned in Peder Syv's "Almindelige danske Ordsprog"
(Common Danish Proverbs) (1682-88), 2,27. The Danish form would
probably be "Snip snap snude, nu er mit eventyr ude".

Michael
From: bjorn@toby.ludd.luth.se (Bjorn Fahller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: What language is this?
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:25:14 GMT
Organization: Lule} Tekniska H|gskolas Datorf|rening - Ludd


"Nollaig Nait Cugat It".

It's supposed to mean Merry Christmas.

I know nordic languages well enough to be pretty sure this isn't nordic at
all. It seems like quite a few here knows a lot of languages though, so I
figured I'd give it a shot. Does anyone know a more proper forum for this
question?

   _
/Bjorn.

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From: d1wzm@dtek.chalmers.se (Kristian Wiklund)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: The Swedenfinn seek official support from Finland
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:15:44 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson) writes:

>In article <d1hej.724634684@dtek.chalmers.se> d1hej@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Jonsson) writes:

<pow!>

>You haven't been following the discussion for very long, have you? To
>Jarmo Ryyti, "home-language" education is one of the prime examples of
>Swedish contempt of immigrants!

Neither have I, but judging from the other articles, it seems like if
home-language-education didn't exist, that too would be a prime
example of Swedish contempt of immigrants...

rgds Kristian Wiklund / d1wzm@dtek.chalmers.se
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From: kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Recipe for Julvort
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:29:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Thunderball Cave BBS - Oslo, Norway  (47 2) 56 70 18
Reply-To: kjetil.lenes@thcave.no (Kjetil Lenes)

RTP>Jul igen!  Our favorite shop down at Andersonville doesn't
RTP>seem to have any julvort (spiced Christmas bread) this year,
RTP>so we'll have to try to make our own.  Could somebody send
RTP>or post a recipe?  I know it contains brewers' yeast, but
RTP>there are some other mystery spices in there too I haven't
RTP>been able to figure out.

I will send you a receipt for a mild V>rtebr|d.

Ingredients for 4 loaves

100 gram yeast
100 gram butter
1 liter v>rter>l (non-alchoholic beer. It consists mainly of wort
        (consult anyone who know something of beer-brewing to find your
        local equivalent))
1-2 deciliter of (dark) molasses
1 table spoon of salt
1 table spoon of dried, ground peels of bitter oranges (perhaps lemon
        could be used?)
1/2 table spoon of ground ginger
3 decilitres of raisins (optional)
750 gram rye flour (either sieved or one half each of sieved and patent
        grade wholemeal)
750 gram sieved wheat flour


How to make it:

Mix yeast, beer and melted butter. It should be heated to 37 degrees
celsius. Add all rye flour and half the wheat flour. Pour molasses into
it. Add spices. Use your hands and knead the dough! Five minuts at
least. Add more flour if necessary. Let be for one hour. Work lightly
with the dough. Have it on the table, flour first!  Knead it. Make four
breads, put them on one of those things you put into the oven (grin!).
Melted bytter on the breads. One more hour. Put them in the oven for
about 40 minutes, 200 degrees celsius.

If you want it to taste more rye use the following mix of flour:
1/2 kilo sieved rye flour
1/2 kilo sieved wheat flour
1/2 kilo patent grade wholemeal rye flour

Velbekomme!

Kjetil


 * OLX 2.1 TD * Norway - home of nisser, troll, hulder og draug.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,swnet.svenska
From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson)
Subject: Emacs 8bit-7bit-2char translators
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:56:58 GMT

Here is some emacs code to put into your .emacs files.  It creates four
functions: eight-to-seven, seven-to-eight, eight-to-two, and
seven-to-two.  The translate those *special* characters between 8-bit
iso-8859-1 (), 7-bit garbage (}{|][\), and two character garbage
(aa,ae,oe,AA,AE,OE).  Modify 'em to translate to the Danish/Norwegian
versions, or extend them to deal with  (accented e's), if you
will...  go crazy...

;
; 7-8 bit Swedish translations...
;

(defun seven-to-eight () "Changes 7-bit Swedish to iso-8859-1"
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (replace-string "\}" "")
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (replace-string "\{" "")
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (replace-string "\|" "")
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (replace-string "\]" "")
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (replace-string "\[" "")
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (replace-string "\\" "")))

;
; Note the order for the reverse - upper case must be changed first!
;

(defun eight-to-seven () "Changes iso-8859-1 to 7-bit Swedish"
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (let ((case-fold-search nil))
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (replace-string "" "\]")
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (replace-string "" "\[")
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (replace-string "" "\\")
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (replace-string "" "\}")
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (replace-string "" "\{")
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (replace-string "" "\|"))))

;
; 7-bit - 2 character Swedish translation...
;

(defun seven-to-two () "Changes 7-bit Swedish to 2-character ASCII"
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (replace-string "\}" "aa")
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (replace-string "\{" "ae")
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (replace-string "\|" "oe")
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (replace-string "\]" "AA")
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (replace-string "\[" "AE")
    (goto-char (point-min))
    (replace-string "\\" "OE")))

;
; Lastly, 
;

(defun eight-to-two () "Changes iso-8859-1 to 2-character ASCII"
  (interactive)
  (save-excursion
    (let ((case-fold-search nil))
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (replace-string "" "AA")
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (replace-string "" "AE")
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (replace-string "" "OE")
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (replace-string "" "aa")
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (replace-string "" "ae")
      (goto-char (point-min))
      (replace-string "" "oe"))))

-- 
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
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Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: Olli-Jukka Paloneva <opaloneva@abo.fi>
Subject: Re: Swiss Vote on EES ! Democracy worse than bureacracy
Organization: Turku School of Economics
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:04:07 GMT

In article <5481@disuns2.epfl.ch> Guy Genilloud, genillou@litsun.epfl.ch
writes:
>the 6th of December, are not ready to give up direct democracy. In fact,
the 
>Swiss hope that Europe will evolve towards more democracy, and possibly
>towards some sort of direct democracy.
>
>
>Guy Genilloud

One man - one vote -rule without structuring a very complex federative
rule in
Europe, could make life unbearable in cold Northern countries of Europe
which
according to the statistics can be considered as rich ones.

Countries of the southern Europe, which once have been great powers could
vote
more subsidies to be paid by Northern countries if democracy existed.
Sorry for
Confederatio Helvetica!

- olli -
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: Want to learn to read and speak Norwegian. Recommendations?
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 09:48:56 GMT

In article <92347.0436332971047@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, 2971047@QUCDN.QueensU.CA writes:
|> 
|> [....]
|> 
|> Swearing, for example, becomes an artform when you pass a certain
|> lattitude..


This is what I would call partly truth - swearing is a natural part of
the language - I don't think "NORDLENDINGER" even notice they (we)
swear :-)


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From: qvortrup@inf.ethz.ch (Michael Qvortrup)
Subject: Re: Sma grodorna
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:39:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.121056.13878@engage.pko.dec.com> chad@ithil.enet.dec.com writes:
>[...]
>From a non-swede who doesn't know the tune, "Maiden, Maiden..." sounds
>more likely.  "Virgin" in English has three similar meanings, one really
>a subset of the other, an that in turn being s subset of the third.  The first, traditional one is a woman/girl who has not experienced sexual intercourse.
>The second meaning is anyone, regardless of gender, who has not experienced
>sexual intercourse.  The third is more modern (I think) and means any
>non-adulterated (is that the spelling for that) thing, for example,
>virgin olive oil, virgin ears (those not accustomed to hearing "filthy"
>speach), virgin vinyl (that is what the inside of my notebook says -- I assume
>that it means non-recycled or whatever) etc.  It can mean (and in (older) literature usually does) mean
>the first (woman) one without having to refer to gender.  For example,
>you might read something about pagans sacrigicing virgins to their gods.
>Here it is assumed a female sacrifice.  (There are always exceptions, so
>don't flame me).

The OED more or less supports you in this (although it knows some 18 different
uses of the word, too long to edit and post. If anybody wants the complete
entry, mail me). It is also interesting to see, that in some languages
(Danish, Swedish and German come to mind) the word for virgin literally
translates as 'young woman', i.e. 'jomfru', 'jungfru' and 'Jungfrau'. I even
once heard a rumour, that the Greek or Hebrew word for Virgin Mary was as
likely to have the meaning 'young woman' as 'sexually chaste'.

Greetings,
--Mike


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: Want to learn to read and speak Norwegian.  Recommendations?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:42:18 GMT

Hello,

As having 100% Norwegian ancestry (yea, I know, I know, I've bragged about
this a few times before), I would like to learn to read and speak Norwegian.

I would like recommendations as to how to go about doing this.  Also, I'd
also like to know if there are many dialects, and if so, is there such a
thing as 'High Norwegian'.  

Any advice, help, and better understanding of the language itself would be
most appreciated.

Thanks.

Jon Noring  (my grandfather was Harold Torvald Nordeng(en), from around Ski)

-- 

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and I'll send you some information.  It WILL be worth the inquiry, I think.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ntakahas@etl.go.jp (TAKAHASHI Naoto)
Subject: nordic keyboards?
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:34:11 GMT

I am working on the Mule (MUlti-lingual Enhancement to GNU Emacs)
project, and writing input methods for European languages.  Here are
some questions about nordic languages:

1. According to dk-mode.el and no-mode.el (I ftp'ed them from
   iesd.auc.dk:/pub/emacs-lisp), the three keys on the US keyboard,
   i.e. left-square-bracket, semicolon, single-quote are mapped to
   a-ring, ae, o/, respectively.  Are there any further changes to the
   'Latin' (i.e.  from A to Z) alphabets and the symbols (!@# etc.)?
   Where do the replaced letters go?

2. How Swedish keyboards look like?  I imagine that the Swedish
   keyboard is just the same as the Danish, but a" and o" come where
   ae and o/ locate, but not sure.

3. I'd like to know how the Dvorak layout is treated in Scandinavia.
   On the Dvorak keyboard, the s key comes where semicolon locates on
   the US keyboard, so it should conflict with ae.

4. Don't you need e with ' above?  I learned sometimes such letter is
   used to distinguish two words otherwise they look much the same.
   For example, Swedish ide' and ide.

Thanks in advance.

--
TAKAHASHI Naoto
Electrotechnical Laboratory, Japan
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From: petrus@stacken.kth.se (Lars Petrus)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: suicidal rate in nordic countries
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:47:08 GMT
Organization: Stacken Computer Club, Stockholm, Sweden


 cml0464@ultb.rit.edu () writes:
>Nobody get offended here.  This is not intended for flames.
>I am not too sure if this title is very sensitive to someone here
>
>I have been reading some material published in the 60's
>The book claims that suicidal rate ran high in Sweden and Danmark but not
>so in Norway.
>
>Can someone give some insights in this statistic?

   This pops up now and then. There is probably not much truth in it. One
explanation I've heard is that in many countries suicides are a taboo
subject and are often officially reported as accidents, heart failure or
whatever.

   What is certain however, is that this issue is totally dead (oops) here.
Nobody ever talk about how we must lower the high suicide rates.


  -  -  -  -
"Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of
 himself.  Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others?"
                                --- Thomas Jefferson

Lars Petrus, Solna, Sweden  -  petrus@stacken.kth.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson)
Subject: Re: Sma grodorna
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
	<1992Dec16.182105.8411@hellgate.utah.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:00:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.182105.8411@hellgate.utah.edu> lchoqu%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Lee Choquette) writes:

   I dug out my mom's Bosse Larsson record, which was made in the '50's and has a
   couple of dozen ringlekar on it, like "Virgin virgin virgin virgin dear," "A
   really neat mother-in-law I want to have," and "The priest's little crow wanted
   to go out and ride."  :-)  (If you want lyrics, send E-mail.)

I think the translation "Maiden maiden maiden maiden dear" is better.
The swedish word "jungfru" means both a young woman and someone who
has not had sex. In this particular case, the first meaning is clearly
the intended one. To me, the English word "virgin" primarily means
someone who has not had sex. Or is it just my non-native understanding
of English that is playing tricks with me?
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From: mtf@saha.hut.fi (dalens ande)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Dementia spreading in Social Democratic Party
Date: 20 Dec 92 11:59:18 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

In article <1992Dec19.011017.9459@polaris.utu.fi> tonypaso@polaris.utu.fi (Tony Matti Juhani Paso) writes:
>mtf@saha.hut.fi (dalens ande) writes:
>
>I wouldn't think it was unfair to call Mr. Sundqvist upperclass. Does it
>really matter what class little Ulf was born into? It just happens to
>be a fact that today and for the past couple of decades Sundqvist has
>drawn such a income, that he most certainly is as upperclass as you
>can get.

 I don't doubt that. But when Jarmo says that someone is an "upperclass
*finlandswede*", he means that the person in question belongs to the caste
of stupendously rich, land-owning, mercedes-bentz-driving swedish-speaking
bastards, who have "never done any real work" etc. that he so much hates.
What he utterly fails to understand, is that 99.9% of the finlandswedes of
this country don't belong to this caste.

 And, yes, the background of a politician *does* make a difference. A person
who was born to poor conditions will probably have a different view on poli-
tics from that of someone born to a rich family. At least in theory.
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From: nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Traditional Swedish Christmas song
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:17:44 GMT
Organization: University of Bergen

In article <nkjrm.87@taxus.uib.no> nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne) writes:

>In article <hberg.274@polisci.umn.edu> hberg@polisci.umn.edu (Bob Hammarberg) writes:

>>In article <nkjrm.84@taxus.uib.no> nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne) writes:


>>>Smaa grodorna is part of the Swedish "Dans kring granen" (Dance 
>>>around the Christmas Tree) activity. Many of these songs and dances have
>>>nothing to do with Christmas, but this is the time of the year when you
>>>do this.

>>But how long has Grodorna been a Xmas "tradition"?  I've never associated it 
>>with Xmas; one was likely to encounter it at parents' day in kindergarten, 
>>or in children's programs on radio/TV (regardless of season) - at least in 
>>svenskfinland.

>I learnt the songs and dances mentioned in the 1940's when I was a kid
>in Gothenburg. You could do them at other times also, but we certainly
>did them at Christmas time, not in homes (takes too much organization)
>but in kindergarten and in school. I am sure that they were old then.

>Rolf

My wife disagrees with me. She thinks that Grodorna is a tradition from
"Samskolan", the private school I went to. "Samskolan" is a 91-year old
institution in Gothenburg with liberal political and religious views.
This school was once highly non-conformist and, among other things,
celebrated Lucia at a time when people in Stockholm had never heard of
her (Lucia as a national tradition is from the 1920's). 

Grodorna performed by "Lilla Sam" (grades 1-4 in my days) together
with students from the "gymnasium" (grades 10-13) and graduates 
was a must at the "Lussefest", celebrated not on December 13, but on an 
adjoining Saturday evening.

Rolf Manne
e-mail Rolf.Manne@uib.no
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Subject: Re: I *resent* that shitty remark...(Was: Want to learn to read and...)
Reply-To: jafitv@termo.unit.no (Jan Arne Fagertun)
Organization: SINTEF, Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 10:14:03 GMT

In article <STEINARB.92Dec13150205@bergfuru.idt.unit.no>, steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang) writes:
|> 
|> However, here goes:
|>  o The dialect doesn't change at Saltfjellet
|>  o The people doesn't change at Saltfjellet.
|>  o The "fylke" (administrative district) doesn't change at
|>  o This bleeding line that nobody cared about 'till we got foreing
|>  o The temper and the swearing doesn't stop at Saltfjellet...:-)
|> 
|> - Steinar
--


Agree !

(I'm also from Mo i Rana, and before that from Malangen in Troms.. )


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