HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: My WB (was e: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and: )
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:07:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.232710.24118@ludd.luth.se> pjotr@ludd.luth.se (Peter Sj|str|m) writes:
>In <1992Dec13.222250.19018@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec13.195926.23076@ludd.luth.se> pjotr@ludd.luth.se (Peter Sj|str|m) writes:
>>>	Feel free to have a look at my 1344*1024 virtual WB. This works
>>>very slick for me, good enough to keep me from buying a monitor and gfx card
>>>for megabucks for a while. (I run it in 698*556)
>>>
>>>ftp.luth.se: pub/aminet/pix/wb/PjotrWB.lha
>>>(or any AmiNet mirror)
>
>>It isn't there.  I just looked.  I did ftp some of the WB3.0 scenes, though.
>
>	Sorry, was deleted during reorganisation of our site. I put it back
>in there again, but it's pjotrWB.lha. What did you think of all the screenshots
>in the directory? Was it better than the Amigaworld pictures you saw?
>
>		/Peter

Ahh, I'll have to download them tonight.  Recently, I've beemn playing
Ultima Underworld for the past several hour.  You've heard of Ultima
Underworld, haven't you?  You know, it is...  :-)
-- 
Dan Stephenson                                                das9674@usl.edu  
"There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while
we lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
                        -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:52:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.181416.18473@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Skip Sauls (skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu) wrote:
>:
>: The sad thing is that Intel
>: finally introduced a decent CPU with the 386 and 486 only to have the Clone
>: makers cripple it with such a horrible bus.
>
>Yeah, you're right, Skip.  I've got OS/2 and UNIX here, X-Windows, GNU
>compilers, editors, and utilities, sound, applications that you can only
>dream about, multitasking, virtual memory, memory protection, device
>independence, etc.  I *really* feel crippled :-)

That I can only dream about, eh?  Ha!  You obviously don't know what I 
do for a living if you think that I am not aware of these things.  The
486 on my desk at work would make many Clone owners drool and is indeed
a nice machine, as far as Clones go...

I paid for my A4000 and other Amiga goodies by programming the pieces of
junk and know more than you might think.

>: Again, you are making a ridiculous statement only because you are trying to
>: prove that you really are a total idiot.  How many machines do you really
>: think use the EISA bus?  Pick up a Computer Shopper or visit your local
>: Bozo Clone Emporium and see how many 386 and 486 machines actually have an
>: EISA bus.  The machines being sold today are equivalent to a 1970's style
>: family automobile with a late 1980's high-performance engine, new tires,
>: a paint job, and a CD player.  The car looks okay, goes fast, sounds good,
>: and even seems to handle better, but it still drives like crap.
>
>Great speech, Skip.  Except that you're completely out of touch with the
>PC world.

No, you just assume that I am an Amiga owner who does not use Clones.  Part
of my job is to pick out which new hardware and software we are going to
buy for development.  There are some very nice things available for the
Clones and we are constantly buying them to "stay in touch".

>Eccchhh, I'm not really in the mood to dispute the rest of your BS-ridden
>article.  Later.

Quitter.  :-)

>+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
>| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
>| Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
>|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
>+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+

Wow!  Jerry trimmed his .sig!

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:24:43 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <Bz9Bno.GsH@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>   Commodore has never proven to me, to my satisfaction, that the CDTV is
>still alive.
>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------

Mark, they're still selling it.   (Had to do it Slu.  :)

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel)
Subject: Re: OS/2 vs Win NT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:26:11 GMT

tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:

>>A server is a system that sits in the corner and grinds away.

>I have a hard time believing that this is all NT will amount to.

believe it. 
MS is just trying to put something called windows everywhere, and NT is
supposed to be their high end OS. But I think it will only find use equivalent
Unless they call it Windows 3.2 or something. Then it could be very widespread.
Why you would really want to run it on an Amiga or any other computer not
being used as a server is something MS will ingeniously figure out to 
enlighten all windows users or prospective users.
From: papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:52:56 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

>Today, it's a different situation. Yesterday, it was: how does the Amiga
>version of Sim Earth compare to the Windows version. What is this, make
>the rules as we go along? :).

I've never bought a windows game and never will.  Few games have much
to gain from a windowing overhead.

>Why port games to OS/2 when it runs Windows and DOS games? How viable would
>it be to specifically cater to a small minority of PC users when there are
>tens of millions of machines running DOS and 15 million copies of Windows
>floating around?

OS/2 versions would run considerably faster (especially under windows).
Besides, the DOS market is crowded, there is money in moving to less
crowded markets, and OS/2 is the only close-to-DOS market worth
pursuing.  The Amiga has a following, but porting a game is not
trivial.  OS/2 would be much easier.

>
>

Gotta love those buzzwords.  The Pentium, and probably 68060 will
probably be faster then some RISC chips.  RISC!=BETTER.  RISC is
USUALLY better.  But getting excited about it running on a risc chip
without knowing which one is an excersize in vapour-hype of a
magnitude only rivaled by Microsoft.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod)
Subject: Re: Why my Amiga is gone
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:18:52 GMT

>My point is that when I advocate the Amiga, I'm talking about EVERYTHING about the
>Amiga - the hardware, the OS etc.  When you say 'ah, but the PC is better because
>UNIX is better than AmigaDOS, you're not advocating the PC at all - ANY UNIX, not
>just the PC UNIX (or Linux or whatever) would be better than AmigaOS (a matter of
>opinion).  When I use UNIX, i use DECstations or an SGI Iris Indigo...  Wanna
>compare these to UNIX on a PC?

I'll sell my PC, I'll give you the $2000.00 and you can pick me up a
DECstation or SGI Iris Indigo, OK?


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: msmcknig@unccsun.uncc.edu (Michael S McKnight)
Subject: Re: Reasons for a notebook amiga
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:02:12 GMT

In article <Bz84IB.CMC@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <Bz6AL3.K1y@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose) writes:
>>In article <Byt3CK.4KL@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>> >Michael
>>> >-----------
>>> >I guess this is a sig:  please don't buy anything that comes from
>>> >Colorado USA until proposition II (rendering civil rights protection for
>>> >gay, lesbian and bisexual people unconstitutional) is repealed.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> EVERYBODY:  BUY PRODUCTS FROM COLORADO, USA WHENEVER YOU CAN!!! :-) :-) :-)
>>> Support initiatives against giving special priviliges for immoral behavior.
>>

Marc, this is the first time I have ever agreed with anything you have said.
It's like Dice Clay once said:
  "I'll give 'em rights, 10% off vaseline -- now get the fuck back in the
  closet..."


If anyone has a problem with this, send me Email... don't tie up the newsgroups.
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From: kkrebs@amilink.UUCP (Ken Krebs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Distribution: world
Reply-To: amilink!kkrebs@citrus.sac.ca.us (Ken Krebs)
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 19 Dec 92 11:22:31 PST
Organization: Citizens Against Whiny A-Holes, Sacramento, CA

In article <BzFJ12.597@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
> >Well, 8M of RAM by itself costs about as much as an Amiga that can multitask
> >games while downloading. I used to play "Tracers" while downloading on my
> >512K Amiga 1000.
> 
> Show me an Amiga for $370.00 US new.


Tenex sells them for $299.00 mail order and I just saw an A500 package that
includes a bunch of software and stuff for $355.00 from our local dealer
here.  (Of course it was at a special auction/swap meet for our user group
:-)


-- 

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: suopanki@stekt3.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki)
Subject: Re: IBM, what's wrong?
Reply-To: suopanki@phoenix.oulu.fi
Organization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:05:29 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:07:39 GMT, fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) said:

> Sorry.. I know this doesn't strictly belong in c.s.a.a. (but hey, surely more
> relavant than the threads about legalizing drugs, firearms, etc. ;) Are IBM
> and Dec history? I just read that IBM's stock fell to an 11-year low (a $6
> billion loss in market value) and that it's probably going to drop even more
> in the coming weeks. Not only massive job cuts, but with IBM cutting 1 billion
> in R&D in addition.. how bad of shape is IBM in exactly? Are investors
> overreacting just a bit? What shocked me the most was reading that IBM's
> market value at $29.77 billion is no longer that much bigger than Microsoft's
> at $23.68 billion. Oh..  more importantly, are IBM's troubles going to have
> an impact on the development of the PowerPC?  

IBM's problem is the mainframes. Sales of them has dropped more
drastically than IBM expected. PCs and workstations are still profitable.
I don't think the troubles will have any effect on the development of
the PowerPC. 


-Heikki
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From: ritchie@a.cs.okstate.edu (RITCHIE DAVID MAXW)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Screenshots: Results:
Date: 19 Dec 92 01:00:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: a.1992Dec19.010029.29288
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater

In article <1992Dec17.023627.27390@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
[...]
>
>It would be nice if the Workbench could have alterations to the fonts on window
>titles, like italics, Bold, outline, strikeout, etc.  Windows doesn't do it, but
>OS/2 does.  Again, it is a nicety thing.
>
>Can the WorkBemch gurus out there try to comment on the really whiz-bang
>aspect to custmization of the workbench?
>
     You can cnange the fonts for the window titlebars and the text inside the
windows.  Italics, Bold, and outline are options that can be turned on or off.

     Under wb2.0 and up there is a prefrences program that lets you set this.
Under older versions, you can get a program called setfont (NOT the same setfont
 as in the 2.0 C: directory) that lets you specify a font and size and where to
put it.  ( BAR, WINDOW, TITLES, etc)

     I use 9 point or larger proportional fonts for the workbench text and
8 point topaz for CLI windows.  The result looks much nicer, and is easier 
to read.

>--
>Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
>"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
> appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
> everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn

-- David Ritchie
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  300 MIP Amiga
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:19:45 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Dec12.013640.20899@grebyn.com> richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.065344.12527@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>
>>       CISC = COMPLICATED Instruction Set
>>       RISC = REDUCED Instruction Set
>>
>>       Let's see who outperforms who: The 100 MIP Argo RISC vs
>>                          the  33 MIP Blik CISC 
>>
>
>[ fabricated example of instruction sequences deleted ]
>
>>       Okay, now of the two above routines, the RISC is running 3 times
>>   faster but has to execute 5 times as many instructions, causing it to be
>>   SLOWER than the CISC chip.
>>
>>       Is that understood?
>
>Perfectly.  That's not the way it's done.
>
>Nobody counts instructions to generate MIPS figures.  The way it's
>usually done these days is to run the Dhrystone benchmark, and divide
>the results by the performance of a VAX 11/780, a venerable 1-MIP (by
>definition) machine from the past.  This means it's really
>measuring the relative performance of doing something, not just
>counting the number of instructions being executed.
>
>Of course, Dhrystone is too simple to be a good benchmark; modern
>compilers' optimizers can almost make the whole program go away.  The
>correct benchmarks to use these days is Specmarks, which tries to
>measure the performance of doing something really significant...

Modern compilers are now spoofing the Specmark suite.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dans uploaded OS/2 Screens SUCK!
Date: 20 Dec 1992 01:06:36 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <BzH58y.313@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>It's not that it's beneath us, just that it's not relevant to us.  I
>haven't come across an IFF file since DP2!  And that came with a

Perhaps you shouldn't be considering yourself in the majority, then.
Do you do a lot of graphics work, where you would see more than just a
gif here and there when you download them?

IFF, the Interchange File Format, is a standard set up in 85.  85,
pal.  It has since become the most popular format for the Amiga, and
has been ever-so gradually integrated into the Amiga's OS.  IFF is
more than just graphics.  ANY type of information can be stored in an
IFF file.  I've been told it's rather similar to the PICT format of
once-upon-a-time Macs.  A single IFF could contain any number of
hunks, including ILBM's, IFF24's, 8SVX, FTXT's, whatever.

Closing your eyes to something that is 1)extremely powerful, and
2)generalized and available for many years is simply foolish.

How many file formats do YOU know of that can support any type of
data?  I'd like to see a PostScript audio file, please...

>conversion module.  It's just not cost effective for graphics
>applications companies to support ALL formats.  Perhaps the Amiga
>should consider making postscript it's main format.  It's not PC
>specific, it's just universal.  IFF isn't!

Again, we come back to your graphic orientation.  Perhaps your
standard PD just-get-it-on-screen displayer won't support it, but
there are applications on other platforms that do.  It's an integrated
part of the ppm package on Unix systems, and XANIM plays back Amiga
animations in OPT5 format on X workstations.  8SVX IFF files are
common across the Amiga platform, they're the standard audio format.
16-bit audio formats also exist, as do 24-bit images, formatted text,
and as of 2.0, nearly all programs that use preference files make use
of IFF files to store their information.

It's got a much broader implementation than just the Amiga, a much
wider applicability than just graphics.

>For what it's worth, Windows programs seldom support OS/2 metafile
>format, because it usually isn't worth their while.  So OS/2 programs
>convert.  That's the problem that comes with having an advanced system.

Again, it comes down to your comparisons, and your orientation.  How
much graphic work do you do?  Do you know of ONE format nearly as
powerful as the IFF format allows?  And I'm not talking about just
graphics here.

Greg



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Dragon Drop
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 13:22:53 GMT

In article <Ivan_Pintori.02v8@mas.sublink.org> Ivan_Pintori@mas.sublink.org (Ivan Pintori) writes:
>In a message dated Sat 12 Dec 92  5:43, Barrett@iastate.edu (marc N. Barret
>wrote:
>
> BNB>    IMO, Amiga AppIcons are something of a kludge, and not nearly as
> BNB> elegant as the Macintosh equivelent.
>
>Marc, we are not nearly concearned with the Mac's implementations.  Start,
>once and for all, to think in term of multitasking, the AMIGA multitasking.

   I always do.  Hypothetically speaking, if this method of doing things on
the Mac was implemented on the Amiga in exactly the same way, it would fit
right in with the Amiga's multitasking capabilities.

> BNB>    BTW, on the Macintosh you can use "drag and drop" to open
> BNB> projects even if the application is not running. [...] This is not
> BNB> possible on the Amiga, since the application needs to be running in
> BNB> order for there to be an AppIcon to drag a project to!
>
>Then again, an Amiga task running isn't the same meaning as a Mac running
>task.  Remenber that a Task on the Amiga world can take no CPU time at all
>if it is not needed, so we may as well "run" applications so that their
>AppIcons are available.

   Yes, but that consumes memory.  And you know how people here make such a
big deal about how other OS's consume memory.  The same thing is accomplished
on the Mac with virtual memory.  A task that is swapped out consumes no
processor time or RAM.

>Just get a Mac and get away from here, please?

   No.  I actually prefer running Mac software on an Amiga to running Mac
software on a Mac.  If I have the money when Emplant is finished, and if it
does what it is supposed to do, I will probably get it.

---
| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
--------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:10:29 GMT

tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:

>In article <1992Dec13.021529.20368@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu
>(Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>>2) Wow, that WB 2.0 looks AWFUL.  Granted, I haven't actually used it, but
>>from the screen shot, it looks SO primitive!  I guess it is the 4 colors only
>>that does it.  Really, it hardly looks any better than the mouse-interface 
>>for MSDOS 5.0's EDIT.COM.  Or QBasic. You get the picture.  Really, you guys
>>may claim Windows and OS/2 looks to flashy/blocky/clumsy, but WB2.0 looks
>>primitive as hell!

>Let's be fair: what screen shot are you referring to? Many of the images are
>either software which does not take advantage of 2.0 (1.3 hold-outs),
>aren't style-guide compliant, or are taken from low-resolution displays.

>In fact, in the January issue, you'd have a hard time coming up with anything
>that didn't fit into the above categories. Unfortunately, most of us feel
>the same way you do.

Exactly!  There is not even one wb 2.0 shot in the entire january 93 issue
of amigaworld.  So what in the world are you talking about?

But then again we don't have to worry about the workbench too much.
Becuase we have the apps open their private screens.  
Myself I really don't really interact on the wb more than to open shells
and start apps.  All else works in the csh shell and private screens.

Martin

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