HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao)
Subject: Re: [News] PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Students
Summary: Respect the judgement and choice of the mouse
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 07:42:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.185849.10234@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> echeng@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>In article <(~{5K6,F=~})DENG.92Aug28143234@math12.bnlux1.bnl.gov> deng@bnlux1.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~}) writes:
>>>>>>> In article <1992Aug28.140845.21411@ctr.columbia.edu>
>|>>>>> "Yanbin" == Yanbin Yu <yu@sioux.ctr.columbia.edu> writes:
>|
>|  Yanbin> It is like a game between the mouse and cat. If they cannot
>|  Yanbin> capture you, cat will be a very nice animal to a mouse.
>|
>|Guess not. Saw a documentary about cat-family on PBS, it's more likely that
>|the cat will wait PATIENTLY until the rat comes out that rat hole ;-).
>
>
>	Hmm, what happens if the mice somehow immigrate into a tiger hole
>and live happily thereafter?  :-)
>
>
>    Eddie

 
     Well, Eddie, to answer your question, 
 
First, if immigrating into a tiger hole is a bad thing for the mouse, it's
because the mighty cat forces him to do so  (maybe in the poor mouse's 
own judgement, coming out of the rat hole to go back to the cat land is
even more uncertain and worse than immigrating to the tiger hole ? )
 
Second,  the mouse makes his own judgement and his own choice to immigrate
to the tiger hole.
 
Now to go a step further, let me remind you, 
 
The poor mouse may even not have the choice to immigrate to the tiger hole, 

And if the choice is there after some other mice fellowes dug so hard to 
get the path through to the tiger hole, it's still the poor mouse's 
choice to make to immigrate to the tiger hole or not. The mouse still 
has the other choice to go back to the cat land.  His fellow mice just 
dug one more (maybe very important ) choice, but he's by no means forced
to take that , is he ?   
 
	To end, let me say, mice or human, we all need to respect another
fellow being's own judgement and choice.  I understand this is impossible
sometimes, for example, some people just believe they are morally more
correct than others,  some places one has no choice, such as in the cat 
land for the poor mouse.  But let's try as much as we can to help the
free judgement and choice of each individual, and try to respect that. 
 
Cheers
 
  On a lighter side, let me share with you a secret that a delicacy is
made from thin cat and fat mice and is available .... well,  I'd 
probably better not tell    :-)
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: White male/Asian female and Asian male/white female
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:58:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

xiong@fzi.de (Xiong Xun) writes:
>(According to the today's standard) white male is more masculine 
>(comparing with asian male) while the asian female is more feminine
>(comparing with white female). 

>The above statement holds validly if one exchanges the words "male" 
>with "female". You see, the reason is so simple.

Why "today's standard" is like that?

Ze Yang
From: yunson@lpf.umd.edu (Yunson Du)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese reform (1980 - 1991)
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:08:37 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <714923644.23762@minster.york.ac.uk> 
yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:

>Chinese reform (1980 - 1991)
>
>	China GNP		GNP per capita
>1980 	US$81.27 billions	US$82.90
>1991	$356 billions		$307.45

Seems like China can reaches her goal of "Xiao Kuang"
($1,000 per capita in 2000).

Any more data (of regional developments, etc)?

Yunson Du
University of Maryland
College Park

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: What Would Lu Xun Say?
Keywords: lu xun
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:58:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.210220.4756@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.194025.491@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  
>rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders) writes:
>> 
>> I have a hypothetical question to end the summer vacation on.  Suppose Lu  
>Xun, 
>> one of the few truly Zhong1guo2-tong1 people of this century, and one of even 
>> fewer people to articulate it so well in print, were alive today, how do you 
>> think he would react to the greencard and Han/Tibet threads?
>> 
>> Robert Sanders
>
>I am pretty sure he would never do anything that hurts his motherland, not like  
>any of you guys sticking on USA to be cheaply treated by other nations.
>Don
The biggest difference between this wave of over-sea chinese students(not all,
most them(us)) and any
of previous ones since late Qing Dynasty is that, this time people put their
own interest before their motherland's, under disguise of loving their 
motherland.
I guess the reason behind it is that before those who were able to came to
oversea were rich people. In current China there was no realy rich parents when
Chinese students came to West.
Poverty makes people do insane things!


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:24473 soc.culture.hongkong:10348 soc.culture.taiwan:12709
From: yhmok@hornet.mips.com (Yeuk-Hai -Shark- Mok)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: I'm very disappointed in Chinese
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:34:56 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hornet.mips.com

>But deep down, I think most Chinese still would like to see China one day
>becomes free, democratic, and wealthy nation. Now China surrounds by Japan,
>Taiwan, S. Korea, HK, Singapore which have been economic powerhouses and
>have hugh cash reserves and technology. These can be very helpful for her
>economic development.

I'm also very disapponited in Chinese, even I'm Chinese.  Right now China is
going through a lot of changes but its going too fast.  As a result, poor
become poorer and rich becomes richer.  Tax system is almost non-exsitance.
There are no respect to the trading and business laws.  Every thing is
'connection', 'under table deal'.  Under the current system, democratic 
society will not work.  I do like to see China become strong but I don't think
I can see it in my lifetime (I'm only 24).  The selfishness and the corruptness
is in the root of the culture and I don't think this can be changed in a short
time (I don't think I can change this on myself).  China really need a slow
and well planned reform.  May be in a spend of 50-100 years, instead of
trying to catch up to the world in 20-30 years.  Then, we may have a China
that we can be proud of.

	Shark ~{D*HtjX~} at SGI
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: NGFZH@livid.uib.no
Subject: Re: WHAT ABOUT TIBET?
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: 31 Aug 1992 09:40:03 EMT

I'm sorry about lossing subject for "66307 NGFZH\livid.uib  28 Aug 92
(none)". That's some comments about "Re:WHAT ABOUT TIBET?".
Thanks
ZH
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Could more light topics in China?
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:04:00 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne


In article <1992Aug28.012230.15615@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
|> In article <3019@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU> jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato) writes:
|> >
|> >|> ratings because Chinese government is bad, and everything is bad.
|> >|> How funny!
|> >
|> >Perhaps the failing of sending a satellite has more news value than one is
|> >successful, most of the time is successful anyway, what's new??
|> U.S. blew up one $80 million dollar worth satellite yesterday, unreported.
                                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^

So where did you get the information from? CIA? FBI? JFK? RFK? SCC??   :-)

|> 16 month ago, blew up one too.

Lin Can
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: sa2b@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Sunny Au)
Subject: culture and pandas
Followup-To:  soc.culture.china
Summary: question
Originator: sa2b@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU
Keywords: culture panda funeral
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 23:42:15 GMT

non scc readers ignore following blurb

me> Hello folks. I've noticed that some people have noticed that there
me> is too much politicking on scc. In response to this, I'm posting
me> the following questions about culture.

end of blurb (sa2b@virginia.edu)

************************************************************

Some of you who have been to the panda (Hsing-hsing and Ling-ling)
exhibit at the United States National Zoo (in Washington DC) may 
have noticed the little display about the origins of the panda's 
black and white markings. The tale goes something like this ...

    There once was a peasant named Lao-shan (??). She was friends
    with the pandas, who were all white. During one famine (??),
    she was bringing some food to the pandas (??) but she was 
    attacked by wolves (??) and killed. The pandas, of course,
    were thoroughly saddened and held a funeral in her honor.
    The pandas wore black arm bands and leg bands (apparently
    black eye patches and ear muffs, too) as a sign of mourning.
    After the funeral was over, the pandas took off their 
    mourning clothes, but the dye in the bands remained in their
    fur. Ever since, all pandas have had those markings.


Questions:

1.  Does anyone know of any alternative stories about the origins
of pandas or their markings? Does anyone know if my telling of the
Zoo story is accurate?

2. What was the peasant woman's name and what does it mean? 
(Shan = mountain, right?)

3. I've always thought that white was the funeral colour in China.
Is black the secondary funeral colour? Granted, the story isn't
the same if you say that the pandas were black and wore white
body suits to the funeral, and the paint stuck ... ;-)

4. What region of the country is this story from? Does that have
anything to do with the funeral colours?

N.B. The follow-up group is soc.culture.china.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:24116 soc.culture.hongkong:10212 soc.culture.japan:7393 soc.culture.taiwan:12491
From: Yeukkei.Cheung@dartmouth.edu (Yeukkei Cheung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Response to the open letter to the Emperor of Japan
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:23:52 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


             Let us examine closely the  present relationship between
the People's Republic of China(China) and Japan.  Japan is one of the
five biggest trading partners of China, and Japan is both investing
huge amount of money in China and transfering to China its much needed
commercial technologies.  Certainly, Japan does all of the above for
its own good.  Without Japan's economical and technological help,
however, it would be very hard for China to improve itself.  Would
anyone think that the Japanese government would do anything to change
its present policies of distorting history and paying respect to war
criminals by high-ranking officials when China is clinging desperately
to Japan for economical assistance?  I am a believer of real politik,
and I believe that as long as China is weak, Japan will never do
whatever is asked for by its victims in WW2.  Let us look forward and
not behind.  Chinese people will never regain their respect until the
day China can parallel itself with Japan in regard to economical
status. Without doubt that everyone can recall from his or her history
text how much terror Japan has inflicted on the Chinese, Koreans and
Malaysians during WW2, yet how many actually realize that China is
being enslaved by the Japanese economically?
             Let's get right into the real business.
From: maochun@OCF.BERKELEY.EDU (Maochun Yu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: China Forum-9/11
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:21:19 GMT


	                  ***** CHINA FORUM *****
				     of
				UC Berkeley
				   presents

		"Grey Culture: China's New Oblique Dissent"
				     by
				Orville Schell

u
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,comp.secuity.misc
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: Anonymous Mail
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 00:34:04 GMT

In article <4401273Sep2@Red.Heaven.Com> MaoTseDong@red.heaven.com writes:
>
>Young Chinese comrades on Earth:
>
>1.- Comrade Liu@NJIT confirms "INTERNET is not a secure network".
>
>You're absolutely correct.

Yes, insecure but  does mean that  misdeeds are not traceable.

>
>2.- Comrade Me Mann@UDenver keeps boastfully saying "it is not
> impossible to trace down" and "it is easy to trace" the oringinator
> of faked messages.
>
>You really want to have a job with our People's Friendly Police
>Department?  Then why don't you try to trace this Mao?  If you

In the same vein, perhaps you want a job with the neighborhood
People's Conman and Forgers Society!

Is it not within my capacity to trace you down absolutely but 
like I say you if you are so good try something criminal and you will
see the FBI at your door-step.

>find my real identity, then post to SCC.  Otherwise, shut up.
>I assure that you would only catch a ghost sender!!!!

Come on, stop boasting. What you are doing requires only "middle level"
hacker knowledge  to do so as put by another poster.  You are not
the only one who knows about port 119 or 25 or the news transfer
protocol.  Yes, you are indeed a ghost --- one with no life and dead.


Follow up in comp.security.misc.
From: yong@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Science in China 7
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:35:17 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Science in China (Part 7)

In 83 AD, a Chinese (Wang Ch'ung) mentions in his Lun heng (Discourses
weighed in the balance) a "south-controlling spoon" made from lodgestone
that points south when placed on a polished bronze plate; although this
is clearly a compass, it is used only for divination. Also in the book,
he gives the first known reference to the chain pump, a method of
raising water from rivers or lakes.

Between 90 AD and 99 AD, the Chinese develop the first magic squares;
the Chinese invent a device that winnows grain using a rotating fan to
separate the grain from the chaff.

Between 100 AD and 109 AD, the Greek merchant Alexander reaches the
south of China by sea; the Chinese discover that a powder of dried
chrysanthemum flowers can be used to kill insects, making it the first
insecticide (the active ingredient, pyrenthrum, is widely used today,
especially on vegetable, since it is biodegradeable and virtually
harmless to mammals); the Chinese invent the multitube seed drill.

The oldest known piece of paper used for writing dates from 110 AD
(China?).

A Chinese, Zhang Heng, develops the methods of using a grid to locate
points on a map between 110 AD and 119 AD.

In 125 AD, Zhang Heng (a Chinese) adds a third ring to the armillary,
bringing it to its fully developed form.
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: full-time position available
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:24:53 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Originator: jialin@dogwood


 Department of Botany is looking for a System Administrator who is
 available to work as soon as possible. The department has 100+  PC's,
 Mac's, Sun Workstations and 50+ printers(mostly laser). Your work 
 will be making sure all of them are running and users are happy. 

 The job requires you know: 

      - Unix system administration; gopher, wais etc.
      - inside/out about PageMaker and WordPerfect 
      - hardware repairs and trouble shooting: including PC's, 
        hard disks, monitors and laser printers
      - trouble shoot network problems
      - configure new systems, initiate new setups
      - programming in C, Pascal and Fortran; support current existing
        special setups, interface with Scantron
      - program SAS 
      - user support, write user's guide, user's manuals etc.
       

 If you are interested, please send me your resume in plain ascii text.
 Please note that the department will not pay for your trip to the interview.
 Thank you.
From: DengXPing@beijing.china.etc
Subject: Re: Anaonymous mail
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:14:57 GMT




SCC comrades:

1- Comrade Li@UIC claims it's so easy to find the real name and
 address of the sender of faked mail by looking at the header of
 the message.  Man!  This comrade must be Li Peng's son since
 his intelligent analysis is quite superb.

So, I sent the first message to prove him wrong.

2- Comrade Fandg@UWaterloo claims he "only need[s] to send following
 to the root of ucivax" to trace to my real name.  Since UCI appears
 in the path of my message, he thought that I WERE from that school.

No, too bad.  I had to say that I hate to say Comrade Fang cannot
contribute much to our 4 modernisations.

3- Comrade Han@NYU loves to "take a shot" that I WERE the SA on the
 UCI node.  You are in the PLA, aren't you Comrade Han?

Since I'm not from UCI, how can you aim a target there?


Please, no hard feeling.  All I want to say again is it's not
as easy as you thought on how to find the real faked message sender.
I don't like it either.  But unless you come up with my real name
then post.  Otherwise, it's easy to find the real name of the real
Comrade DXP by sending mail to Paris , since he attended school there.

Have a good Monday,

DXP - not real, of course

No more k faked message.  It's boring!
From: exl0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Edwin X. Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:51:38 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <27AUG199209023069@phobos.ucc.umass.edu>, s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.e
du (s9874194) writes:

>>
>Carl, I do think that people have the right to chose whether to stay here
>or go back. However, my point is that one should talk straight. Do not make
>excuses. Do you believe, in your heart that most of us would be punished
>because we are Westernised? Do you realy beleive that we will be seriously
>oppressed? Don't you feel some kind (althrough a different kind) of oppression
>here?                                                              ??????????
>Daniel
>

it's not oppression, skin head! it's called discrimination. and that's
precisely how this thread orginated. being oppressed abroad does not
justify oppressing at home.
btw, is it a little ah'q to feel so proud to be westernized? where is
your xenophobic ultra han chauvinism where you need it?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: What is love in Chinese sense.
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:02:17 GMT


I have had answers from people in other cultures. I thought it
would be an interesting question to many Chinese. So my questions
are the following:

(1). When a Chinese man says he loves a woman, what does he really
     mean?

(2). When a Chinese woman says she loves a man, what does she mean?

(3). When Chinese parents say they love their children, what do they
     mean, what do they do?

(4). When Chinese parents expect love from their children, what do
     they expect the most.

(5). When a Chinese says he loves his country, what does he mean.

(6). When the government says that it loves its people, what does
     it mean and what does it expect.

(7). When a Chinese loves a non-Chinese (including Hongkonger and
     Taiwanese), what is behind the love.

(8). Is Chinese allowed to love their enemies?

Xiao Li
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yfeng@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca (Yongbing Feng)
Subject: Looking for an old friend for my ex-wife
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 13:47:12 GMT

This message is sent for my ex-wife, who is looking for an old friend, 
Zongce Deng. This guy is believed to study at Dept. of Earth Science,
Carleton University. If anybody knows this guy, please tell me some
information about him, such as address and phone number, or tell him
to response to me. all helps are appreciated.

-- 
-----
Yongbing Feng      Department of Computer Science   University of Waterloo
		   Waterloo      Ontario            Canada         N2L 3G1
yfeng@watdragon.waterloo.edu            Dead-Poets Society: Seize the Day.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Subject: Re: What about the Aggression from Japan? (Re: What About Tibet? ...
Organization: New York University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 06:40:00 GMT

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>I feel it not so easy to believe that the PLA forced to monks and nuns to have  
>sex. We can not just simply believe stories from one side. But we also should  
>not blindly reject them. At least I know a true story that happened during the  
>Culture Revolution. A group of Red Guards went to a temple in Jiangxi Province  
>and re-educate the monks and nuns. They DID force them to abandon their  
>religion and live "normal men and women's lives". They DID force some of them  
>to marry each other. Most of them surrendered. One monk jumped off a cliff and  
>died.

>The incident I mentioned above might just be and isolated event. The point here  
>is when we are accusing somebody of being brainwashed, have we ever thought  
>that we might also be brainwashed.

>Carl

Mr. Carl finally "lost his temper", said something very 
different from "what a personality ?", but excuse me sir,
I am afraid that I have to say Mr. Carl's view 
is very biased. 
By the way, when is your last time see your 
Beijing Normal School's D-fight friend, Wuer-kaixi?
Also, would you please leave more space at the end of each line 
so that I can cite your post easily?

Ze Yang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wang@math.psu.edu (Feng Wang)
Subject: Re: Bringing Down The Great Wall (part II)
Reply-To: wang@math.psu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Penn State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:25:21 GMT

In article 6tt@cs.psu.edu, I wrote:

[Song from TV series ``Huo4 Yuan2 Jia3'']

>Wan4 li3 chang2 cheng2 yong3 bu4 dao3, qian1 li3 huang2 he2 shui3 tao1 tao1,
>Jiang1 shan1 xiu4 li4, die2 cai3 feng1 ling3,
>Kan4 wo3 guo2 jia1 na3 xiang4 ran3 bing4?
>
>Chong1 kai1 xue4 lu4, hui1 shou3 shang4 ba,
>Yao4 zhi4 li4 guo2 jia1 zhong1 xing1!
>Qi3 rang4 guo2 tu3 zai4 zao1 jian4 ta4,
>Zhe4 shui4 shi1 jian4 yi3 xing3!
>

The last line should be `Ge4 ge4 fu4 qi3 shi3 ming4'.
Then repeat from `Wan4 li3 chang2 cheng2 yong3 bu4 dao3', and
this time the last line is `Zhe4 shui4 shi1 jian4 yi3 xing3'.





Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong