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From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: GATT&MFN and puzzling American policy
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:18:11 GMT

In article <92315.144610SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <BxIE5n.HAC@cs.psu.edu>, jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) says:
>>This is a very key suggestion. Not only China, but also many other the 3rd
>>world countries focus on the markets of several rich countries. This causes
>>many negative effects. To compete in the limited markets, they have to set
>>their currency rate to a very low value so they can sell their goods at low
>>price to the rich countries. These 3rd world countries do the same thing
>>round and round. The result is that the wealth flows from the 3rd world to
>>the rich countries. I asked a boss of a small clothing store how much Chinese
>>clothing is cheaper than US one when the goods arrive at his hands. He told
>>me it is about 30% cheaper with better quality than US clothing.
>
> A naive assumption!

	It is plain, but is not an assumption. It is what we see everyday.

>1)The currency exchange ratio is not "decided" by someone, it has to stand
>   the market adjustment, People major in economics can answer this better.

	Exactly. Since the market is limited, the currency rate is 
	"adjusted" to its current value. When the market becomes wider,
	one will see difference.

>2) Do you know Japaness made goodies sell cheap here in US compare they are
>   in Japan?

	"Cheap" is measured based on currency ratio also. They sell cheap 
	doesn't mean they loose money.

>3) Most fast-pace economic developed (or developing)countries benefited from
>   trading with advance country.

	We see this fact long time. We also see negative effects. There
	should be alternative route, i.e. treading with both rich and 
	poor counties.

>4) The main reason of cheap garment is beacuse of low quality., of cause
>   compitition is high, but goverment usully has quato for each different
>   country. don't just shop your cloth in W-mart, go to other  place such
>   as JC Penny or better shop, you will find out why even if you are willing
>   to lower your price, they may not willing to put your merchandise in
>   stock.

	JC Penny's do sell Chinese made coats. The impression of low quality
	of Chinese goods came from the price. The fact is that they get 
	Chinese goods cheap, raise to normal before putting on the shelves.

>>The treading of a country should have three goals: (1) sell the goods,
>>(2) sell at good price and (3) buy goods at acceptable price.
>>With limited markets, one can only sell the goods at very low price.
>>When the poor countries buy hi-tech products, they have to pay very high
>>price due to currency rate.
>
> Oh? great theory.

	Thank you, but it is too plain to be a theory.

	We see both positive and negative part of the current world 
	treading model. There should be alternative model which has
	smaller negative part. We need better theory/suggestions.
	Again, comments are welcome.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: herbert@vast.unsw.edu.au (Herbert Chen)
Subject: Re: Anniversary of the Halloween's Tragedy
Organization: University of New South Wales, Kensington, Australia
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:10:43 GMT


> 
> We have sent CND-CM a letter which is co-sign by ALL except one chinese students
> metioned in Mr. Liu Yujian's article.  That one student also agrees with the 
> content of our letter, but he prefer to keep his name anonymous.
> 
> The feeling of ALL chinese students at Dept. of Physics and Astronomy of UI can 
> be summed into one word: OUTRAGED.
> 
> I think and I hope CND will carried on our letter soon.   Here is just the 
> first paragraph of our letter:
> 
> "  We are deeply disturbed by Liu Yujian's article in your special HXWZ 
> supplement.  In that article, the author distored the facts, misquoted
> other people's words, stretched-out herasay, and, more over, made up a theory
> out of his own speculation.
> 
> .........."

What evidence is there to discredit the content in 
Liu Yujian's article about Lu Gang?
I do not personally agree to Lu's behaviour, and my 
impression is that he is not at all popular among his
peers, but how do I know which side to believe(you or Liu's)  ? 

There must have been a terrible conflict in Lu's mind, and
there ought to be an explanation to account for that.

> 
> Personally,  I am angry since most of my words quated (either with or without
> my name on) were made out of nowhere.  Mr Liu simply fake them up.


The task of a novelist is different from that of a journalist,
he only writes to potray or reflect the scene, not to record
every single fragments of details. Hence, though
inaccruacies are not desirable, they must be tolerated.

I am not on Lu's side, but I sure like to know the picture better.



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From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:12:02 GMT

In article <PWU.92Nov6135704@espresso.ai.mit.edu> pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) writes:
>    From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
>    
>    In article <92310.154551PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>    >IFCSS claimed that "on behalf of 50,000 Chinese students" it congratulated
>    >the president elected. Even only 43% of registered voters voted him, how
>    >shameless IFCSS claimed all of 50K Chinese students have the same voice ?
>    
>    IFCSS keeps abusing the number 50K.
>    I would say 50K-1, not me.
>    I am sure that I am not the first one says 50K-1.
>
>50K-1=50K

Therefor, 50K-50K =/= 0 ?




Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dxl@philabs.philips.com (Du Li)
Subject: Re: Demonstrate on Foreign Land Against Their Country
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:04:14 GMT

In article <BxGpvu.C68@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>Note, this post is not intended as a flame, but an example to demonstrate
>
>	[I don't know exactly how CCP leadership makes decisions.  My
>impression is that almost all decisions were passed by some kind of
>procedure, by central committee or politic bureau.  Some person had
>more influence than others, such as Mao and Deng, who had used their
>own personal power, legally or illegally (such as military 
>interference), to influence the result.  But seldomly they make
>decisions just on their own.  At times, Mao and Deng both had to
>"go south" to promote their agenda since their proposals could not
>pass the leadership in Beijing...]
>
>
>
>	 Eddie

Yes, you can say that there were always some  kinds of procedure to pass
a resolution by the majority of the ATTENDANCES of the meeting.  But the
existence of this procedure does not mean that the pass of the resolution
was based on the willingness of the majority of the LEGITIMATE ATTENDANCES
of the meeting.  As we all know, if Mao or Deng's proposal could not be
passed initially,  he would do the following to ensure the passage of his
proposal:

1.	pending the meeting until .... that is to give him some time to work
	on it.

2.	Using his power to creat suitable envirnment for the proposal

3.	Exerting high pressure on certain person(s) individually to get
	majority votes.  If that person did not bend to the pressure,
	you knew what would happen to that person late.

4.	If he still could not acheive his goal, he would hold the meeting
	illegally by inviting some persons with similar opinion or having
	been bent to him so that he could get the majority votes.

	Could someone tell me whether there is a difference between a 
resolution made by this procedure or a decision made by that powerful 
person?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang)
Subject: Re: I love the Fall of Ithaca! ...
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 23:28:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.213847.14048@msc.cornell.edu> xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,) writes:
>(   I--------tha--------ca   )   (  's  )  (  Fall  )
>
>____\____    /___      /  |         \      __/   |    
>| _____ /  /____/_   /| --|--    ------/   _|_ | | |  
>  |___|    |__|__|    |---|---       /      |    |    
>  |___|    |          | __|__      /       /|\  / \   
>__|___|__  |______|   |___|___   /\______   |  /   \  
>
>			OR
>
> |    /       /___      /  |         \      __/   |    
>||\ /___\   /____/_   /| --|--    ------/   _|_ | | |  
> |   ___ '  |__|__|    |---|---       /      |    |    
> |  |   |   |          | __|__      /       /|\  / \   
> |  |___|   |______|   |___|___   /\______   |  /   \  
>
>
>Dear netters:  Which one is better to your taste?  I myself prefer the latter.
>-- 

  In a article about Mr. Qien Xueshen, Ithaca is translated as


|    |        /___      /  |                              
| \  |      /____/_   /| --|--                             
| /\ ^      |__|__|    |---|---                            
|/  / \     |          | __|__                              
/  /   \__  |______|   |___|___                             


I don't know whether it is his translation.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:15:14 GMT

In article <10953@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> jan@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>
>Xiao-lin, I am trying to follow your reasoning.
>
>...only if you are still a Chinese citizen.
>
>...but you could lose it in many ways.

What is your standard as a citizen? Was Bill Clinton an American
citizen when he demonstrated in Oxford?

The fact is that Chinese government is much worse than the one
Bill Clinton protested. The scale of TAM Massacre is much larger
than that of the Kent State killing. Unless the current government
steps down, we have every reason to be against it. They are simply
not qualified.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: Good Good Study, Day Day Up!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 12:39:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.034636.5445@msc.cornell.edu> xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,) writes:
>From article <9NOV199218202894@elroy.uh.edu>, by math1pf@elroy.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping):
>>>>(deleted stuff)
>> (deleted stuff)
>> 
>>    How about this joke : A female Chinese officer went with her interpretor
>> to an airport to greet an American visitor. 
>> When they met,the American said: "Oh,Miss ***,you are so beautiful !"  
>> She responded with a typical Chinese modesty :" Na3 Li3, Na3 Li3 "
>> But the interpretor translated it like this: "Where, where ?"
>
>You haven't told the whole story. -- The visitor finally had to reply: 
>"Everywhere!  Everywhere!"
>-- 
I can't believe that people are still telling this joke. It's been around
since probably the Qing dynasty or before and everyone has heard it at
least a million times, probably more like two or three million times...

Mark
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Alumni of Chengdu College of Geology (5th Notice)
From: <WXG101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:49:56 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 19:21:50 EST
From: <WXG101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject:    Alumni of Chengdu College of Geology

Hi, alumni of Chengdu College of Geology staying in the States:

An effort is being made to work out an alumni directory for the people who ever
studied or worked in Chengdu College of Geology (Chengdu Di-Yuan) and are stayi
ng in this country. If you want to be in the directory (absolutely free), or if
 you know somebody else wants, send a breif message about your name, class, curr
ent address, phone number and major to wxg101@psuvm.psu.edu. So far I know at
least 20  of our alumni here and of course hope to have additional twenty or
more. Once the dirctory is, if possible, completed, I will send the directory t
o all the alumni.
      The idea cameout when I met with some Di-Yuan alumni at GSA last week at
Cincinnati.Hopefully, such a directory will help you
      - find the person(s) you missed
      - talk to each other
      - get help from or provide help to your colleagues
      - seek possibilities for co-operative research
      - ...

      Thank you.         wxg101 at psuvm.psu.edu

P.S. Please specify your last name as Weixing GUO or Guo, Weixing
  Please specify your class (e.g. 79312, Hydrogeology).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Wonder!!
From: kzest+@pitt.edu (Ke Zeng)
Date: 5 Nov 92 04:45:11 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh, Dept. of Crystallography

In article <83051@ut-emx.uucp> viczhu@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (yi zhu) writes:
>
>    I wonder why so many bloodcarders don`t feel ashame to utter here?              Should they feel proud to receive the cards?
>    I feel ashame to be a chinese here.

	Here, in a party, people are talking to each other and discussing
different matters on which they may not agree with each other. One guy
comes in and yells to the public: shut up, you and every body! I know
your dirty minds and why you shamelessly argue with each other and no
matter what you are talking about. And as such, I decided to be ashame
simply because I am the human being as you are.
-- 
K. Zeng. @pittvms.bitnet    |  "Nothing is always right, even neither this
or    @unix.cis.pitt.edu    |   saying."
       @vms.cis.pitt.edu    |			--Anonymous
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: S13Y000 <S13Y@UNB.CA>
Subject: HELP **  Post E-mail to China
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:37:56 GMT


Hi there,

Would you please tell me how to post E-mail to China?

Thanks.

YW






Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang)
Subject: Shame on you, godless Chinese!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 04:46:13 GMT

Shame on you, godless Chinese!

When you do NOT have God in your heart,

	you think Mao Zedong your God;
        you think Deng Xiaoping your God;
        you think CCP your God;
        you think KMT your God;
        you think China your God;
        you think the 5000-year-history your God;
        you think Confucius your God;
        you think your family your God;
        you think yourself your God;
        you think your ancestor your God;
        you think your brother your God;
        you think your wife your God;
        you think your son your God;
        you think your girlfriend your God;
        you think your friend your God;
        you think money your God;
        you think your job your God;
        you think your Ph.D. degree your God;
        you think your knowledge your God;
        you think America your God;
        you think IFCSS your God;
        you think MFN your God;
        you think democracy your God;
        you think economy your God;
        you think greencard your God;
        you think your computer your God;
        you think your body your God;
        you think garbage your God;
        you think Godlessness your God.

Shame on you, godless Chinese!
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: [ answer ] How is IFCSS's president elected?
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:03:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxJ4D4.5yH
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

Following is my initial poster quoted by Yungui.

I did have no intention to mention Yungui at that time.

I am ready to forgive Yungui's misunderstanding. :-(

In article <BxHLrA.n0v@news.iastate.edu> zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo) writes:
>>The election precedure of the IFCSS president is VERY similar to 
>>the US president election. 
>
>No, the sentence should have been "a little closes to an indian 
>chief election IN THE PAST." :-)
>
>>First US president election: each state chooses electors who will
>>vote for the voters in the state. These electors will meet and cast
>>votes in December in Washington DC. The votes from the electors are
>>called electoral votes. The popular votes may be different than the
>>electoral votes, which happened to the 11th and 29th presidents. 
>
>But Bush totally lost his hope, since the votes are just symbolic.
>
>>The IFCSS president election: each school chooses electors who will 
>
>I don't know about a few other universities that had students attend
>the meeting. But the "delegation" from ISU was NOT picked up by election.

This was the only part that related to our ISU.

>>vote for the voters in the school. These electors will meet and cast
>>votes in the IFCSS conference. There is no manpower to calculate the
>>popular votes so they are usually unknown.
>>
>>[ School = the Chinese Students and Scholar Association in the school. ]
>>
>>This year, Bill Clinton only receives 43% of the popular votes and only
>>54% of people voted. I wonder if Bill Clinton only represents 43% times
>>54% = 23% of Americans. 

Don't forget that many people are under 18.

>A good calculation. But
   ^^^^ not very good, after my second thought.

>the elected president is supposed to be the represent of his people, 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=Clinton

>while IFCSS is just an organization. This was an old topic that had been
>discussed a couple of months ago.
>
>A careful answer: IFCSS CAN BE the represent of its unfixed members, like 
>a party in a country .
>
>
>
>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874203@titan.ucc.umass.edu (s9874203)
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 03:32:49 GMT

In article <BxBKIG.8rH@acsu.buffalo.edu> ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu Wei) writes:
>
>I just read the current Chinese Magazine (CND-CM) cm9210z.  There is only one
>long article about the bloody Halloween last year at University of Iowa.  It is
>a very worthy article.
>
>It was the first time I know so many details about the event.  If you havn't
>seen it yet, you'd better get the CND-CM to read it.
>

After going through the report, a questin arose: how did the author know
what Lu Gang did and thought at given time and place? Maybe the author
should clarify this.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
Subject: Re: Be a respectable Chinese.  Zi Zun, Zi Ai.
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:44:51 GMT


In article <100923@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>In article <BxBHqy.6z9@nic.umass.edu> usys@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CLARENCE J MAZIARZ JR) writes:
><(deleted)

I think the character you guys discussing should be:

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This character means cheap. The character you guys used (see attchement) means
sputtering.

In article <100923@bu.edu> lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>In article <BxBHqy.6z9@nic.umass.edu> usys@titan.ucc.umass.edu (CLARENCE J MAZIARZ JR) writes:
><(deleted)
><Do you think everybody would be as
><
><
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>
>Hi, are you from Chengdu? "Zan4, Zan4 Lin2 Zi3, sound very Chengdu special:-)
>-- 
>The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
>organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
>are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
>Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: deng@cs.uiuc.edu (Zhong Deng)
Subject: Info Needed: Customer Service number for First Card
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Comp Sci, Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:25:50 GMT

I moved to Urbana-Champaign area over a month ago, and I have never received
my visa card (from First Card) bill ever since then. I guess the Post Office 
just missed that letter. Does anyone happen to know the Customer Service
number for First Card? Your help is highly appreciated.

-- 
Zhong Deng                               |  A perfect place only exists in
Department of Computer Science           |  one's imagination.
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign    |
email: deng@cs.uiuc.edu                  |          - Dr. Huang at Texas A&M
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wenz@ucs.orst.edu (Wen Zongyao)
Subject: What is the different? (not about beer & wine) 
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 10:46:05 GMT

>chicken, how about another topic: let's talk about Beer
>or Wine.
>
>for me, i still like Qing-dao beer, what do you guys say? and
>the big bottle Qing-Dao beer tastes better than the small bottle beer,
>i think.
>
>"you can't live with women, pass me the beer nuts!" --- by Norm in "Cheers"

Sorry, I can't make any related comment on your post, because
I haven't drunk for a long time.  Not because I don't like
drinking, but I am not legal to obtain liquors.  I am 19, and 
I started drinking when I was 12 or even earlier.  My family
doesn't encourage me to drink, but they wouldn't say anything
if I drank a little at some special occasions.  However, that's
in China.  Here it is illegal to get any kind of alcohol 
contained beverage underage 21. I don't know this is a federal
law or state law, anyway in Oregon you have to be 21 to drink.

In China few people end up as alcoholics, eventhough no one
tries to prevent such thing so badly; but in the US, though
the media, and schools try to keep children away from drink, 
there still are many become alcoholics.  
Is this caused by cultural difference, biological difference,
or economic difference?  Would there be more alcoholics in
China, if all Chinese can get paid as much as Americans?  
Is it true that when a person has nothing to worry about, he
tends to make some stupid decisions, such as drinking?

Welcome all kinds of opinion.

Wen

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 03:33:59 GMT

In article <92310.154551PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>IFCSS claimed that "on behalf of 50,000 Chinese students" it congratulated
>the president elected. Even only 43% of registered voters voted him, how
>shameless IFCSS claimed all of 50K Chinese students have the same voice ?

This is the Chinese democracy they are promoting, which is special for
Chinese.


J Su