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From: GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Nonfat Miracle Whip
Date: 19 Nov 1992 03:01:23 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <9211130318.AA28105@msc2.msc.cornell.edu>,
gund@msc2.msc.cornell.edu (Linda "the goose" Gunderson) writes:
>Hi folks!  I haven't had much luck posting to this group via
>email, but here's hoping...
>
>I just wanted to mention that I've had good luck baking low
>fat goodies using nonfat Miracle Whip in place of the shortening.
>I like it much better than using applesauce or nonfat yogurt.
>I have recipes for chocolate cupcakes and chocolate chip cookies;
>if anyone is interested just say hey and I'll post them (yes I
>know the chips are more fat than most of you want to be eating,
>but getting rid of the butter is a good start :-)).  If you want
>to experiment on other things, I would cut out any salt in the
>recipe - I tried making brownies once and added salt as per the
>old recipe and boy were they yuckie.
>
>Hope this makes it!  Linda G.

Hey!

Alma
From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Diet Methods
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:25:39 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA

>In article <1992Nov7.025014.16979@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>>In article <16896DE56.MOSTERBE@cmsa.gmr.com> MOSTERBE@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>>>Have any of you tried the Deal-a-Meal Plan by Richards Simmons?  Did you have
>>>success?  I recently started the Plan and have lost 10 lbs. in 3weeks!!

>>Isn't a loss of more than 2 pounds a week considered dangerous ?

Depends.  Typically on a "normal" diet for a slightly overweight person, 
weight loss more than 2lbs a week is often water weight (glycogen stores 
are carbs stored in water--when the body deficits calories, the glycogen 
gets used and the water excreted--this comes back when you go off the diet).

For a very heavy person, it would be possible to lose more than 2 safely--
I lost 4 a week (average) for 20+weeks on a medically-supervised fast.
But if I had done this unsupervised, it would definitely have been unsafe.
Note that the generally-accepted wisdom is that fast weight loss is temporary
weight loss.  (For me, it's been six months and no gain.) 

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: When Food Is Love
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:44:15 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <63620079@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> robertsl@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Laurie Roberts) writes:
>
>She suggested that we really enjoy eating
>Eat in a calm place without distractions
>Eat anything you want      
>Eat until satisfied
>
>Any comments?
>

That's exactly what I did for the first 25 years of my life.
At the end of that time I weighed 335 lbs and was gaining at
the rate of 1 pound per month.  Just how long was I supposed
to continue trying this method?  I think it may work for some
people, but for others it is a quick trip to the morgue.  The
only thing worse than losing weight again and again is to
just keep going up until you are out of sight.
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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: markm@triton.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: Flying on my own...
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 18:06:24 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <63620071@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
>I've been wanting to post this for a while, but time is short.  I'll
>do a short posting, anyway.
>
>In two weeks I'll finish my maintenance program with HMR.  I'll have been
>off the fast for 18 months (where I lost 185 pounds), and have held my
>target weight (+-5 pounds) for a year (those 15 pounds were a lot
>harder to lose than the others).  I signed up for the standard maintenance
>
>Doing this fills me with a mixture of pride, anticipation, and a bit of
>terror.  :-)  I was debating about staying on the program through the
>holidays, but I think I can keep on doing my program without the 
>exposure.  If I "fail", I can/will rejoin at any time.  Given my history,
>
>I'll be staying on the net and in the group, to give/get encouragement
>from you.
>
>Wish me luck.
>
>Pete Brooks

(Various stuff deleted to lessen bandwidth)

Alright Pete!  Congratulations!  

185 pounds on an 18 month  fast!  Wow...  I too was a member of an HMR
group here in Albuquerque, but had to drop out after the first three
months because of the money involved ($500.00 + per month is what this
place charged;  included the supplements, plus the medical charges), so
I guess I am a little jealous...  But, I am also getting a vicarious
thrill from your success too.

Me?  I've got something on the order of 250 pounds to lose.  I am trying
to master my behaviors and control the food I buy and consume to get 
a handle on my food intake.  I am using some of the methodology that I 
learned from the HMR people too;  food diaries, etc.  How has that 
worked for you?

Incidently, if there are others out there with HMR stories, I'd sure
like to hear about them too.  

Pete - have you changed your lifestyle significantly from what is was
before you started your program?  I mean things like daily workouts and
the like?

How are things going for you socially and personally with friends, loved
ones, and co-workers?  Do they treat you differently now?

Thanks for any info;  feel free to post on the net, or email me directly!

See ya,

MARK F. MITCHAM
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: body image
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:37:12 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <1992Nov17.051543.16632@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

>Anyway, denial has both positive and negative points.  I don't dwell
>on the snapshots, though they're useful when my will falters.
>

Being a terrible cycle dieter, I've found it useful to have two
pictures on my refrigerator.  Both are in shorts only.  One taken
at 235lbs and the other at 175 lbs.  More than one time they have
kept the fridge door closed.
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Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "I have given you an argument; I am not obliged
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  to supply you with an understanding." -S.Johnson
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From: npm@dale.cts.com (Nancy Milligan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Nonfat Miracle Whip
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:42:16 GMT
Organization: Titan Linkabit Corporation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I'm glad you tried this!  I've been thinking about it, but I forget... 
Do the baked goods come out hard and brittle or do they retain
moisture with the NF mayo?


--
Nancy P. Milligan 				npm@dale.cts.com
Titan Linkabit					cts!dale!npm
3033 Science Park Road
San Diego, CA 92121
From: rks@cscns.com (Island's Child)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Informing on Others
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:28:47 GMT
Organization: Community_News_Service
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3


    I have a major bone to pick with someone here! 

    What gives *any* of you the right to forward people's postings to
sysops, bosses, SOs or anything else? Just *who* do you think you all
are?

    The person who posted, saying that he had forwarded (or 'reported')
Kane's message to his sysop, is *way* out of line!

    I might add that I had a similar experience several months ago. I
posted to this group from my work account. The post was angry, discouraged
and definitely a core dump. 

    The next day, I get e-mail from my boss -- asking me about the post.
A 'concerned citizen' had forwarded it. Well, I was so mad that I could
hardly speak but I can tell you that if I *ever* find out who did it, 
there *will* be a confrontation. 

    On another occasion, I volunteered for a hotline. While working
with another woman, I confided in her about something going on in my
life at the time. The next day, I got a call from the director. The 
woman had repeated every bloody word I said! I quit the line on the spot.
I am not looking for that sort of thing. To make it a little more interesting,
I used my position as a newspaper columnist to let others know that the
things said on that line are *not* confidential. I recommended that anyone
calling should be willing to have the content of their conversations 
repeated. Vicious? You betcha! And they had every bit of it coming!

    Frequently, people think they are "helping* by violating the 
confidence of others. It seems to me that simple ethics would state
that unless someone is either dangerous or suicidal, there is no need
for that. Kane's post may be obnoxious -- and rude -- but if you don't 
have the guts to speak to him directly -- just mind your own 
damn business! 



Gisle

 
(I am using another person's account to protect *my* privacy. It is
obvious that this group is *not* to be trusted!)
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Subject: Re: Need Encouragement
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:53:51 GMT

In article <BxtGJr.GuJ@tct.com> lenore@tct.com (Lenore Cook) writes:
>The latest in my saga.....My husband and I did separate.
>I moved into my new place yesterday....It's nice so I'm
>taking care of myself that way...sigh....
>
>I just feel sadddddddd.....I'm  functioning, but I'm
>not getting much mail so my mind is dwelling on the
>sad....I know this is the worst part....getting used
>to waking up alone....sniff, and I know it will get
>better, but some loving hugs and words of encouragement
>would be greatly appreciated.   I miss my kitty too
>so some purrs might help....:-<
>
>



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Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
From: seeker@openroad.Corp.Sun.COM (Mark E.Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Informing on Others
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:53:31 GMT
Reply-To: seeker@openroad.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: openroad.corp.sun.com


...Jeepers Dennis,

Maybe the time is ripe for you to get a new newsgroup together called
alt.snitch; I'm certain it would be a big hit with supervisors,
managers, police and all sorts of other authority figures around the
world............Island's Child is right; there is no place for this
sort of thing on alt.support.


Kindly,

Mark
From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Subject: Re: Beastiality
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:13:48 GMT

>In article <Kane.3.0@Xanadu.com>, Kane@Xanadu.com (Charles Foster Kane) writes:
>> Thanx for listening, assholes.

< Snot Nosed freshman who just discovered internet crap deleted>

>
>Am I the only person who doesn't understand this entry?  I use this support
>listing for real support and I always thought others did too.  Is this a port
>made out of anger because of something that someone said or are you angry
>becuase you didn't get responses?  I just don't understand.  I want to give
>support when needed, but all I can see is anger with the closing of "assholes".  
>        
>Please, inform those of us who are clueless what you are so angry about!
>
>Melissa 						

Melissa, I think that Mr. Kane (Mr. used loosely) is a misguided soul
who wants a flame war here. I've informed his sysop of his blatant
lack of etiquette. You may have also read my previous post. I have 
lurked here for months, it helped. I cannot, however, sit by and watch
a jerk like Kane get his jollies by observing other's pain. He's not
angry, just a jerk.
-dennis
From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: lying
Date: 21 Nov 92 04:49:08 GMT
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm

In article <1992Nov20.212212.21312@europa.asd.contel.com> draper@gnd1.wtp.gtefsd.com writes:
>Sometimes I don't no where to post things, but there isn't a group
>that primarily deals with relationships (or I don't know which one does).

This group is ok.  There's also soc.couples.

>What do you do when you know your husband is lying to you?  Confront him?
>What if you know he is doing it to protect your feelings?

Ah, a real problem.  My wife and I do a lot of that--protecting the
other's feelings.  We're trying to reach a state where we acknowledge
the other's feelings without any real obligation to buy into them.  

If your husband is protecting your feelings, he is, in effect, denying
them.  I have no idea what's right for you.  We have sought professional
help with this.  Would your husband feel ok about that?
-- 
Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
Newsgroups: alt.support,alt.recovery
From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Informing on Others
Date: 21 Nov 92 01:35:25 GMT
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA

In article <By1AC0.Bp2@cscns.com> rks@cscns.com (Island's Child) writes:
>
>    I have a major bone to pick with someone here! 
>
>    What gives *any* of you the right to forward people's postings to
>sysops, bosses, SOs or anything else? Just *who* do you think you all
>are?

I didn't forward his post, merely stated he was a jerk.

>    The person who posted, saying that he had forwarded (or 'reported')
>Kane's message to his sysop, is *way* out of line!
>
Apology tendered for poor judgement.

>    I might add that I had a similar experience several months ago. I
>posted to this group from my work account. The post was angry, discouraged
>and definitely a core dump. 
>
>    The next day, I get e-mail from my boss -- asking me about the post.
>A 'concerned citizen' had forwarded it. Well, I was so mad that I could
>hardly speak but I can tell you that if I *ever* find out who did it, 
>there *will* be a confrontation. 
>
<deletia to save bandwidth >>
>    Frequently, people think they are "helping* by violating the 
>confidence of others. It seems to me that simple ethics would state
>that unless someone is either dangerous or suicidal, there is no need
>for that. Kane's post may be obnoxious -- and rude -- but if you don't 
>have the guts to speak to him directly -- just mind your own 
>damn business! 
>
>
Climb off of your high horse for a moment please. I attempted to contact Mr.
Kane, several times. Everything bounces. Why should he hide. I don't. If I
had made a posting like his, using my own account, I would have to fear
retribution from my employer. Is it ethical to dummy (forge) headers for
the purpose of making a mockery of what is said here? 
>
>Gisle
>
> 
>(I am using another person's account to protect *my* privacy. It is
>obvious that this group is *not* to be trusted!)
 GET REAL.
Newsgroups: alt.support
From: jeffj@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (jeffrey.n.jones)
Subject: Re: Feelings of Rejection - Help
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:44:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.175949.18832@bnr.ca> P2364 writes:
>Could anyone on the net explain to me why I feel really *high* when I go out
>with friends and feel really *rejected* if those same friends do something
>together and don't include me.  

I think part of the reason is that we all feel better if we are
part of a group and accepted by them. Another thing that a lot of us
struggle with is the fact we need others to feel complete as a person.
We have a hard time feeling complete with out others to feel in the voids.

>Another situation where I'm talking to a lot people and having a good time
>(work or at a party) I feel accepted by people.  If it is a quiet day and no
>one even says hi to me, I feel rejection.

This is fairly common. 
 
>How can I control my moods?  I know it is all in my head and I don't know how
>to cope with this.

One of the first things to do is to realize that the only thing you can
control in life is that which lies in your head and even that we have
trouble controling. 8-)  So it goes to figure that you have almost zero 
control over how people react to you. As long as you follow normal 
behavior in how you relate to other people and they don't react in the
way you think you should that is their problem. So when people in your
office are busy and can't chat, your friends go out at times without you
or you feel chatty and no else does, these situations are totally beyond
your control. By trying to control events that you have no control over
your moods will swing around a bit. You'll feel rejection where none is
intended and so on and so forth. The more centered you get in yourself
the more outside events will not cause mood swings or feelings of rejection.
By the way there are a lot of self help groups available to help you
get over some of this. In fact this is a good place to be. Hope this 
helps in some way!

Jeff
>Also, I'm afraid to make the first move and ask girlfriends out to do something
>because I think they will say no.
>
>Please help.
>
>Crystal


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From: dennisp@kpc.com (Dennis Preston)
Subject: Re: The ending of relationships
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc, Santa Clara, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:38:57 GMT

In article <Kane.2.0@Xanadu.com> Kane@Xanadu.com (Charles Foster Kane) writes:
>Well, I'm a happily married newlywed (1 year and change) but am having a 
>hard time remaining monogomous, what's your phone number ?
>
>
>					-CFK

I've got a better sense of humor than most, but methinks you've found the
wrong place to post your juvenile games. Get it the hell out of here. 
There are a few groups on this net that do NOT appreciate flame bait or
ridiculous jokes. Just don't fuck with people who are really having
problems. Show your post to your wife, If you're lucky, you won't need
the advice from alt.support. If you think this is a game-get divorced
sometime. Then we'll laugh at you.


Newsgroups: alt.support,alt.recovery
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Re: Beastiality
Organization: OFSA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:38:34 GMT

janet@ntmtv.UUCP reacts:

>In article <Kane.3.0@Xanadu.com>, Kane@Xanadu.com (Charles Foster Kane) writes:
>|> Recently I've come to terms with my animal lust. I was at home sodomizing my 
>|> cat when my wife arrived home early from her therapy. We were considering 
>|> divorce but thanks to a robbery at gunpoint and lots of anger, we are now 
>|> able to work out our problems by writing them down and electronically 
>|> distributing them to strangers.
>|> 
>|> Thanx for listening, assholes.
>|> 
>|> 						
>
>I think we all know who the *REAL* asshole is.....ASSHOLE!!!


It is certainly interesting seeing how we all just REact to this
individuals juvenile posting. I am not singling you out Janet...your
reaction is similiar to 90% of the others.

Just ignore this person, how much can he/she really comprehend
considering the state of mind exhibited by such a post in this group?

Steve
From: mccall3080@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Beastiality
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:37:25 -0600
Summary: what does it mean?
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <Kane.3.0@Xanadu.com>, Kane@Xanadu.com (Charles Foster Kane) writes:
> Recently I've come to terms with my animal lust. I was at home sodomizing my 
> cat when my wife arrived home early from her therapy. We were considering 
> divorce but thanks to a robbery at gunpoint and lots of anger, we are now 
> able to work out our problems by writing them down and electronically 
> distributing them to strangers.
> 
> Thanx for listening, assholes.
> 


Am I the only person who doesn't understand this entry?  I use this support
listing for real support and I always thought others did too.  Is this a port
made out of anger because of something that someone said or are you angry
becuase you didn't get responses?  I just don't understand.  I want to give
support when needed, but all I can see is anger with the closing of "assholes".  
        
Please, inform those of us who are clueless what you are so angry about!

Melissa
Newsgroups: alt.support
Subject: Re: Feelings of Rejection - Help
From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:40:52 -0600

In article <1992Nov13.175949.18832@bnr.ca>  writes:
>Could anyone on the net explain to me why I feel really *high* when I go out
>with friends and feel really *rejected* if those same friends do something
>together and don't include me[?]  

Sounds like you are dependant on them for enjoyment.
Try to find something you like to do by yourself.

>Another situation[:] when I'm talking to a lot [of] people and having a good time
>(work or at a party) I feel accepted by people.  If it is a quiet day and no
>one even says hi to me, I feel rejection.

This is a classic symptom, in my mind, of being an extrovert. You ignore your inner
self in exchange for the outer rewards. The result is a neglect of yourself, which
you sort of feel when you are alone. Withdrawl, perhaps. (Notice that being an
extrovert or introvert seems to imply, to me, an imbalance.)

>How can I control my moods?  I know it is all in my head and I don't know how
>to cope with this.

Well, you can and you can't. You can't just change your moods like moving your arm,
but you can learn enough about your self to achieve the moods you want most of the
time. Find ways to balance out the bad with the good you like, for example..

>Also, I'm afraid to make the first move and ask girlfriends out to do something
>because I think they will say no.

You wouldn't believe how many girls say this! Even the "untouchable" goddesses..
Nobody asks them out! Everyone has this fear, I think.. The trick is to hold a
carrot out in front of your fear and jump. The carrot is the "yes." 

>Please help.
>
>Crystal
Newsgroups: alt.support