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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:52:33 CST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Expanding my horizons
              24 Jan 1993 14:48:42 -0500 from <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>

On Sun, 24 Jan 1993 14:48:42 -0500 <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU> said:
>>Today at lunch the Pub Lib will have a acapella group called called
>>Ladies Night Out, I've listened to Sweet Honey in the rock, but never
>>really listened to musch acapella, so it'll be new to me....L.W.
>
>So how was it? You post that, and don't give me a review? Isn't that a
>net-crime? I should know - I'm taking crim law now....

They were not real good, however i believe they were getting better as it
was time to leave. Just my luck my lunch time was running out and they were
starting in on some gospel tunes. This week there is Bossa Nova Guitar Jazz
and acoustic jazz next week, funk jazz the next. It's a great deal...L.W.

BTW The place was packed
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
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In article <ALLMUSIC%93012703434071@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> TBUCK@KNOX.BITNET writes:
>(But I reserve the right to babble about Miles at any moment ;-)
>I'll have to tape this one for you, Beer, if you're interested. And I got a
>cool ECC import of Art Blakey live in Japan in 1961 with Shorter and Lee
>Morgan on it. I'm usually not all that big into Blakey stuff, but those two
>horn players really make it for me.

I'll pass on the Trane stuff.  I already have so much... I can't keep
up.  

The Blakey band with Wayne and Lee is one of my favorites.  I also like
the ones with Benny Golson, such as Moanin'.  That is a great all around
album.

>And Jeff, what do you think of Seth Air? (I'm assuming you've heard it. I
>haven't as yet, but hope to soon rectify that situation.)

Seth Air?   never heard of that.

Jeff
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From:         a mirror cracked from side to side <REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things

The Central Scrutinizer sez:
>Since economics and pandering to the lowest common denominator
>already drive the "popular" music arena,

is this really true? i've found that, given something different, most people
will be at the very least receptive to it. they may not like it, but they
will give it a chance. case in point: the sugarcubes. when "birthday" began
to get some airplay on emptv, one reason people liked it was cos it was so
different from anything they were used to (that opens the question of
whether or not emptv defines acceptance, but for the time being, we'll
ignore that).

i have no qualms about being a musical snob regarding what *i* listen to,
but i shy from being a musical snob disparaging what *others* listen to.

>I expect a continuation of the "catch-of-the-day" philosophy of "new" music.
{...}
>The resulting sound is often a weak compromise rather than a fresh musical
>statement.

while the latter is not always true, the former seems to be a fair description
of the process: some band does something strange which catches the attention
of some radio station/video channel/record exec; said entity plugs said band
bringing them some success and notority; other labels follow suit with their
own version of said novelty.

>What I look
>forward to is something along the lines of what John Zorn (or even Praxis)
>does.  A "cartoon" (or, to borrow Michael B's word -- "cutup") music that
>extracts elements from many different genres in an almost patchwork fashion
>(juxtaposition rather than synthesis?).

in zorn's case, the "cartoon" epithet, at least in my case, is due to the
music's effect on me - i often laugh out loud when i hear his work since
it can sound very ludicrous. "juxtaposition" is a better word for what
you're getting at.

i don't think that is the future of musical development though. zorn's
work is fascinating, but it's more of a curiosity than a progression. not
enough people are going to hear that stuff for it to have a lasting effect
on the musical world.

synthesis of other forms and styles into popular music can be satisfying
and developmental (paul simon's _graceland_, peter gabriel's real world
label, so on). sad to say, but that may be the best way for development
if only cos that way the most people can integrate it into their idea of
what music can be. all that the loonies on the fringe do is all well and
good, but it has little effect on what the "lowest common denominator"
will think music is or should sound like until it trickles down through
the cycle into the realm of popular music.

at the same time, i would say that it is probable that other forms of music
will sproing into existance as we find different ways to make noise. one
hundred years ago, no one would have thought that banging metal sheets
would be music and now there is a thriving japanese noize scene. go figure.

time to play volleyball.

woj
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:10:11 EST
From:         Leonard Watkins <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Arc Angels

Anyone seen Arc Angels, they will be at a local club this month and if i
remember correctly everything i've heard of them is kinda popish & slick,
not really what you'd want from the former Double Trouble. Anyone wanna
disput that, should i go...........L.W.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:59:12 EST
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject:      Re: Something about nothin'
              WERTH" at Jan 27, 93 10:44 am

OK Ben, you said your band just played and it was a barrel of laughs (or
something like that).  So WHAT's the band called? who's in it? where'd you
play?  who was there? what'd they do? so talk that talk, walk that walk, I'm
waitin'...

In the meantime, Dave, in response to your post (really nice reply, thanks!)
here's something just for starters.  I'll be getting back to you again on it
because that's a lot of good stuff there.  You said that "jazz was a term used
by white people to describe African-American music..."  We're all in the dark
(no pun intended) on the REAL origins of a word like "jazz" so there's
obviously no one right answer, but there are many possible answers.  Here's
another shot at it, from _I Hear America Talking: An Illustrated History of
American Words and Phrases_ :

The word jazz was first reported in the New Orleans area in the mid 1870s, as
used by Blacks to mean to speed up and as a primitive form of syncopated music.
 By 1913 Blacks and Whites were using jazz to refer to a style of ragtime music
having syncopated rhythm and by the end of 1917 American jazz music and jazz
bands were a major attraction in New York, London, and Paris.  Because of its
early New Orleans Black use, most linguists believe the word jazz is of West
African or Creole origin, though a specific etymology or African source wordd
has never been pinpointed.
[end of quote]

from _Black Talk_ by Ben Sidran:

Jazz music, a result of the combination of the circus and minstrel bands with
the blues tradition, is, strictly speaking, the urban voice of the black
culture.  In the process of urbanization, the rural blues musician met the
organized band musicians and the result is what we have come to recognize as
early jazz.  This is not to say that jazz is alien to rural areas and rural
musicians but that increasing mobility and the rise of the recording industry
in the first part of the 20th century virtually brought the urban environment
into rural life.  Also the general cultural flow of black Americans beginning
with the Great Exodus of 1879 is toward the urban areas.  Jazz is a product of
a peculiarly black voice (blues) in a peculiarly white context (Western
harmony), and the result is a generally urban idiom.  It is interesting to note
that jazz is popular among South African blacks who have been exposed to and
vilified by Western culture, but is virtually absent from West Africa where
there is little Anglo-conformity, and an idiom known as "high life" is played
to the exclusion of jazz.... Whereas black minstrelsy was an acceptance and an
imitation of white modes, jazz--and the blues idiom on which it was based--
was an assimilation of these modes.
[end of quote]

Whew--Sonia
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From:         "Materials Program Mgmt.,
              Ayr (823-3189)" <drobb@SSMPRD.ENET.DEC.COM>
Subject:      RE: the The

        Selected Discography
        ====================

        Matt Johnson (solo), "Burning Blue Soul", 4AD, 1981 (not yet on CD)
        the The, "Soul Mining", CBS, 1983, CD has one bonus track (in U.K.)
         "   " , "Infected", CBS, 1986, CD has three bonus tracks (in U.K.)
         "   " , "Mind Bomb", CBS, 1989, CD
         "   " , "Shades Of Blue", CBS, 1991, 4-track CD EP
         "   " , "Dusk", CBS, 1993, CD released this week (in U.K.)

        Also worth tracking down (tho' not all that easy to find) are the
        early 12" singles for different versions of well-known songs like
        "Perfect" and "Uncertain Smile".  Additionally, there are quite a
        few non-album songs on the "Infected"-era singles.

        Lastly (and this quite unusual), there are either five or six songs
        on the "Soul Mining" *tape* release that are not on the LP or CD.

        Dougie (currently enjoying the "Dogs Of Lust" single, and looking
        ------  forward eagerly to the release of "Dusk")
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From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Gimme three steps out that door

>On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:11:43 EST Bloomdido oppined:
>>
>>> . . . .  Actually, what I
>>> need is a program to find all the highs and lows & creatively adjust the
>>> dynamics proportionally to fit the tape.  This is the computer age, after
>>all.

Actually, compressors do that for you, but that's cheating.
What you could do, if you own a four track reel to reel with
a separate record and playback heads is "preview" the tape
with the preceding head, have it send the appropriate volume
control to the output and when the real signal is read by the
second head, it is appropriately adjusted.  The preview
is a few milliseconds, so if you use a "smart" compressor
(you'll have to design one yourself), it'll take care of the
volume control.

Mike.


    Re: Gimme three steps out that door                                    R 
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:13:40 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Gimme three steps out that door

On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:11:43 EST Bloomdido oppined:
>
>> . . . .  Actually, what I
>> need is a program to find all the highs and lows & creatively adjust the
>> dynamics proportionally to fit the tape.  This is the computer age, after
>all.
>
>That's called gain-riding, work that highly-trained (and commensurately paid)
>engineers used to do. You wanna throw more people out of work with automation?
>
Sure, that's what us computer geeks get trained to do, right? (-: (I have this
crrrrrazy image of a gain-rider, dusting off his chaps, and swaggering
bowlegged into the bunkhouse after a long day chasing them highs and lows)

Actually, though, I just need a brute force program for the home market, for
my tapes.  I mean, if I'm using tape, I've already accepted a certain loss.
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:04:00 GMT
From:         Gary Hanley <0005642089@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Just had to share this...

I was over my friend Dave's house last night, flopped out on the
sofas, watching TV, bored, and almost out of beer. At a
commercial, he started flipping the channels when he came
across the spanish channel, showing various bathing beauties
in various positions at the beach, with only music playing in the
background and no spoken words. I immediately recognized
the song, but didn't say anything. Then, after commenting
on the great show he just discovered, he noted how the
cool the music was, and it fit the scene perfectly, I said
"Yea, that's Tangerine Dream. I think the song is called
Dolphin Dance. I have it on CD." He looked at me funny and
said, "You have this on CD? I can't believe some of the shit
you listen to!"   :)
                                       -- Gary
From: U33963@UICVM.BITNET (Little Inquisitor)
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Date: 21 Jan 93 16:54:46 GMT
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Leafing thru endless catalogs in my office I came across this reference, which
I'm sending in case some of you don't know about it:

             Sara Cohen. _Rock Culture in Liverpool: Popular Music in the Makin
g_ (Oxford U. Press, 1991, isbn # 816178-6), goes for $ 39.96 until march 31.


                       Renato
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:24:00 EST
From:         gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL
Subject:      The ball is rolling

Everyone who needs it has been sent my postal address via private email. If you
haven't got it, give me a yell.

Seeya,
Gary

OMC: Geesh, no time for that.
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:52:04 EST
From:         Ilia <CC29@IONA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Music diversity

Tim:

>   Uh oh.  Looks like Ilia wants a job as one of the bouncers....

Nah, just trying to show Marco that I won't deprive him from his
'friendliest' Allmusic award. Bhah. Actually, the real reason is
I just had a four-hours chemistry lab - mixing some supid
liquids in order to create a new one - really depressing stuff. As
some members of the list would say, it's all chemistry. :)

      Ilia.
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:56:15 -0500
From:         HLC2@PSUADMIN.BITNET
Subject:      Automatic Baby

Hi all:

Back on board after a brief hiatus -- and I'm sure that after reading this,
many of you might feel that it wasn't brief *enough*. :-)

Since I bypassed any inaugural-ball bashing, critiquing, celebrating, I don't
know if this has already been touched on. But I'm touching now ... and you
don't know where. ;-)

Whilst cleaning my house on Saturday, I camest across a rebroadcast of MTV's
Inaugural Ball. ("A rebroadcast on MTV?" you say. "How unnatural!" But yes, my
friends, it happens sometimes.) ANYWAY: The *only* thing to catch my attention
and make me turn off my Hoover was the impromptu Automatic Baby performance.
Michael Stipe and Mike Mills of R.E.M. and Adam "My Hair Keeps Getting Worse"
Clayton and Larry Mullen, Jr., of U2 doing an acoustic version of "One."

I liked it. *A lot.* And this is coming from someone who likes to bitch about
both bands whenever the opportunity presents itself. ;-)

Anybody else see it? Anybody else like it?

Heather
[who wanted *desperately* to catch Ruben Blades' performance on the HBO Ball.
Did anybody see *that*?]
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:39:10 EST
From:         George Keith <ST202064@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Boiled in Lead

I'm new to this list, and I was wondering if anybody out there had any informat
ion on the Minneapolis group "Boiled in Lead".  I already own three albums
(Boiled in lead--Hotheads, ORB, and from the Ladle to the Grave) and I was prim
arily wondering if any more existed.  They do a really cool mix of eastern Euro
pean, British, and American folk music, with a strong alternative twist to it.

Just curious.
--George
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:18:58 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Trying to keep up

On Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:51:12 EST Tim Johnson said:
>
>if the processing is all done digitally, I suppose the loudest
>bit can be found, and all the data scaled to fit on CDs, if the
>digital processing uses more bits than the CD, or if the recording
>is done at a relatively low level (although that would imply less
>real dynamic range.)
>
>of course the levels jump around - it is not a fixed level of output,
>it is a fixed *maximum* level of output.
>
>                                   -Tim

I thank you, and so do my sinuses--another headache I don't need right now--
However, since tape has less dynamic range than a CD, I find I still have to
move the knobs from time to time to account for the lows.  Actually, what I
need is a program to find all the highs and lows & creatively adjust the
dynamics proportionally to fit the tape.  This is the computer age, after all.
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:00:43 EST
From:         Mike <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Prisoner (Herbie Hancock)
              25 Jan 1993 23:30:50 -0500 from <mjferzig@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>

My "perfect" labels would probably be:

1.  Real World.  Granted not everything off of this label is great,
    but I enjoy the diversity and the clarity of the recordings.

2.  Electra/Nonesuch.  This one goes way back.  I have stuff from
    the Gyuto Monks and Mystere de los Voix Bulgares (sp?) from this
    label.  Good stuff.

3.  Smithsonian Folkways.  The Tuva one is superb and I am seeking out
    other releases as I discover them.

4.  Rykodisc.  Zappa, obscure music, The World...what more can I ask for?

5.  Rhino.  They do an excellent job at bringing back the weirdest bands
    from the 50s and 60s, as well as the classics.

Mike.
just some of the neat-o labels I like.
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:36:51 EST
From:         IQM253@URIACC.URI.EDU
Subject:      Re: Maximum level of a CD

Ken: Wrong, wrong, wrong!
Most Hi-End CD players come with a direct digital output, in which the data
stream can directly be captured by a DAT deck (which invariably have digital
inputs) or seperate digital processor.

-Steve
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:59:16 EST
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject:      Re: The Stark Fist of Removal
              "crispen" at Jan 27, 93 10:08 am

El Crispo, Can't quote your long post or I would sit here the rest of the
evening deleting lines from it before I could reply. So in a nutshell:
Hey, when are "diversity of tastes" and "the art of definition" mutually
exclusive?

My own purely whimsical curiosity that occasionally arises, "Hm, what IS that
mo-fo-anyho?" is simply a form of putting your nose down to the ground to
squint at a little bug going by.  What IS that little critter?  I'm not
excluding all other bugs by turning my attention to this one or by wondering
what distinguishes this critter from others... I'm just CURIOUS.

The impulse to investigate is not per se rigid or exclusive.
And why NOT go after something's "essential nature" even if
you'll never ultimately figure it out, i.e. if you're going to wonder, wonder
the WHOLE way.

 Please explain to me what on earth this ornery nose-poking
curiosity into essences has to do logically with the range of one's
tastes (in anything).  Are we talking boobs=brain cc's or what?

I agree (not with the essential nature of Bob-Bob, but with his fellow man of
the cloth Dave-Dave) that there IS something kind of foolish about my question,
"Uh, what kind of music is _Transmutation_?  Uh, what does psychedelic music
mean?"  How to explain this impulse of mine to ask such useless questions?
It's not that I expect some ponderously explicated reply.  But to me the
questions are interesting only in that they send you back to something with
(perhaps) a fresh eye.  It's not as if I think I'm missing something essential
about the music and once you supply the missing ingredient in the definition,
THEN I'll hear the music differently... nope, I don't really believe that.  But
it is simply intrinsically INTERESTING to reflect and to hear other's
reflections on "WHAT IS THAT?"  And the only way to reflect interestingly is to
try to get at that mysterious essence... that separates psychedelia from
fusion, fusion from jazz, gospel from blues, rock'n'roll from hard rock, speed
metal from punk, punk from pop... Yeah, an enormous amount of blather will be
generated and 99% of the time people will end up yelling at each other (tell me
this, why do people usually get mad when they try to define something)... but
the impulse itself to WONDER... hey, just how is gospel different from punk?
how is gospel like punk? how is pop like rock? how is rock like schlock?

Asking questions like this is like... that wonderful BONK that Russ described.
I can't tell you how much I liked reading your post, Russ.  Hey, if you ever
need a professional BONK-er, I'm available.

You see, that's what I'm talking about.  Asking questions and trying to define
things is:


                                  BONK


Sonia
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    I kinda scewed on the Coltrane CD.  I thought it *was* Coltrane,
not just a bunch of guys doing Coltrane songs.  Guess I'll pay closer
attention next time.
    I also got two videos.  One on Louis Armstrong and the other on
Bessie Smith.  I realize this does a lot to give you names and such,
but at least its a way to acces new sounds and at least the older
jazz.  Good luck.






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