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If I swim strenously (e.g. fast front crawl pulling or the butterfly),
my right shoulder would hurt.  I gave up on the butterfly because of
this.

Any advice on how I can strengthen my shoulder(s)?  I would like to
strengthen them to the point of being able to do some continous (2 to
4) laps of the butterfly.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 I remember getting swimmers shoulder once while swimming in college,
 it was ugly!!!  Looking back, I think it was caused by bad technique
 more than lack of strength.  

 I found the pain in my breathing side shoulder, which made sense 
 because lifting the head forces your arm/shoulder to do more work.
 (by lifting the additional weight of the head)

 When I say "bad technique", I mean I had a tendancy to drop my elbow
 as I pulled my arm through the water.  Dropping the elbow, coupled 
 with the additional weight of lifting the head to breath, placed 
 additional strain on my shoulder.  

 All I could do was learn how to breath on the opposite side, and 
 decrease my yardage, until I figured out that the problem was dropping
 my elbow.  The result of improper technique, and a very heavy workload
 over an extended period of time  was what I believe to be the cause of
 the problem.

 Nothing that 2 weeks rest at the end of the season, and a few cases
 of beer didn't cure.

-RC
 
  



Willie
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From: tolar@akchin.sps.mot.com (Jim Tolar)
Subject: Re: More turn questions
Reply-To: tolar@akchin.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:32:03 GMT

In article 1g8ac3INNr82@hpsceo.scd.hp.com, schmitz@scd.hp.com (John Schmitz) writes:
>Re: the back flip turn
>
>> USS (in consultation with FINA) has interpreted this to mean that if you
>> turn over, you cannot glide or kick independently of the final arm
>> stroke.
>
>This is interesting.  What happens if you blow it and you turn too
>soon?  I admit that you shouldn't, but hey sometimes the flags blow
>a bit in the wind and now here you are, looking straight at the wall
>and you are too far away (for example, half a stroke).  What do you
>do?  You can't glide and you can't kick.  I suppose you have to just
>flip and then move backwards on your back?  I know, practice makes
>perfect, but this does seem to allow you to dig a pretty deep
>hole...
>

 If you turn past vertical toward the breast as proposed above, the storke and turn official in whose jurisdiction you are swimming will be obliged to disqualify you for "swimming on the breast".  In this case, the "past vertical" call is made using the shoulders of the swimmer as the indicator.  So what do you do?  You get back onto your back and hope the official didn't see the infraction.

jt


Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming,misc.fitness
From: spady@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robyn Spady)
Subject: Re: Dry Skin
Organization: Boeing
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:40:14 GMT

Michael Smith writes:
>>  
>>I'm new to swimming and find that lately my skin has been very dry.
>
>I use "Eucerin" lotion -- slather it on the parts that itch, after every 
>shower (not just after swimming). Seems to help.
>
I recommend Eucerin too!  My dermatologist turned me on to it several years
ago and I really like it . . . I think that it offers more moisturizing
benefit that regular lotions.



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From: twm@varian.com (Tim Medlin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming,misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Dry Skin
Date: 15 Dec 92 03:41:32 GMT
Organization: Varian Chromotography Systems

In article <1992Dec10.193044.5001@cbnews.cb.att.com> lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:


>  
>I'm new to swimming and find that lately my skin has been very dry. I
>assume it's because of the chlorine. I've tried baby oil and one
>or two "standard" women's moisturizers and though they've probably
>helped some my skin is still dry. can someone suggest a treatment routine
>and/or product to help the problem? Thanks.

I would be very careful of the soap I used to bathe with. (I use
glycerine soap for bathing.) In addition, when I bathe, I only wash my 
underarms, groin, and feet (where bacteria love to thrive). After I shower, 
I do not dry off completely and I apply moisturizer on top of my damp skin 
to seal in the moisture. Although my dermatologist thinks Jergen's EverSoft 
is good enough, I have continued to use DML Fragrance Free Moisturizing 
Lotion because it seems to work the best for me. Unfortunately, DML is not 
cheap; fortunately, Jergen's is lesser priced. I actually have both at my 
desk now.

One and one-half years ago, I had a case of VERY SEVERE dry skin. Before
I went to see a dermatologist, I thought that standing in the shower felt
so good just letting the water "soak" my skin. It turns out that was one
of the worst things I could do for my skin--I was washing needed oils from
my skin.

Good luck. I know how you feel. :)

-twm
    Timothy W. Medlin (510) 939-2400
    us:    Varian Instruments 2700 Mitchell Dr.  Walnut Creek, Ca. 94598
    email: twm@varian.com
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From: srklump@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Stephen Klump)
Subject: Re: population (Re: The Anaheim Mice...)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:25:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.073527.17719@cs.ucf.edu>, wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:
> srklump@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Stephen Klump) wrote:
> >Raw population is not sufficient to draw interest - Calgary, with a pop.
> >of 800 000, outdraws Chicago, with a population of what, ten million?
> 
> Nice try. Give us a break. Perhaps the large seating capacity in Calgary gives
> them a slight advantage? Doesn't Chicago sellout just about every game?
> I think if they had a rink for 20,000 they would fill it. They've only had
> a team for more than 70 years. I think they have some fans there.
> 
> Tom

Sorry, bad example.  I meant no disrespect to Chicago, and indeed Chicago
is a great hockey city.  What I was trying to get across is that attendance
is very weakly dependent on population.  The ratio of best to worst attendance
in the league is about 2:1 (Calgary : Hartford), and the ratio of biggest
to smallest population is about 20:1 (New York : Quebec).  Even considering
NY as three markets of 5 million each, Chicago is about 15 times larger than
Quebec City.

Stephen. 
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From: hamlet@stein.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan)
Subject: Penguins assign Straka to minors
Keywords: hockey, men's professional
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:37:17 GMT

clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI) writes:

>	PITTSBURGH (UPI) -- The Pittsburgh Penguins Wednesday assigned rookie
>center Martin Straka to Cleveland of the International Hockey League.
>	Penguins General Manager Craig Patrick said he expects Straka to
>return to the Penguins after he plays three games this week with
>Cleveland.

This means that Straka will probably play in the Cleveland-Cincinnati
game on Friday, December 18.  This game is being broadcast on Prime Sports
Northwest at 5:00 p.m. Pacific Time on Saturday, December 19.  This is
part of the Prime Network's national IHL coverage, so check your local
listings if you want to get a look at Martin Straka, the Penguins first-
round draft choice from last year.

--
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and maintainer of the r.s.h FAQ file
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From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Anaheim and Miami. WHY?!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:05:30 GMT
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu

In article <1992Dec15.110940.24270@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>In <wf=_JFK00aPC0qKms8@cs.cmu.edu> Thomas.Sullivan@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>
>> I guess what I'm surprised about is that there is no Texas team.  I know
>> Houston has been wanting a team for a while, and now that the league is
>> trying to expand into new areas, it really surprises me that they'd pick 
>> the 2 cities that they did.  I know it is more based on the fact that Disney
>> and Blockbuster are the new team owners and will have no cash-flow 
>> problem, but it just seems like the locations are wrong.  
>
>Yeah, no question that Houston would have been better than Anaheim. As you
>said, the league wanted to make sure they got new owners with enough cash to
>remain in the game. Texas could get a team after 1995 if all goes well.
>BTW, what city should it be - Houston or Dallas? I'd choose Houston
>because they've had countless minor-league teams since the 1960s, including the
>short-lived but successful Aeros WHA team. Hockey seems to be a relatively
>unknown sport in the Dallas area.
> 
>> --Tom
>
>MARCU$

I'm not sure why you think Dallas is a hockey black hole.  The Metroplex
supports TWO minor league franchises, the Fort Worth Fire and the Dallas 
Freeze, which are averaging 4,500+ and 3,600+, respectively.  Not bad for a
sport currently in the shadow of the Cowboys.  I should also note that while
Dallas got a neutral-site game (Tonight! Blues-Isles at Reunion Arena), Houston
did not.  Heck, we even had a game (Sunday night) here in Oklahoma City, which
drew a respectable 11,110, not bad considering it was a Sunday night in the 
Bible Belt, and was a terrible matchup (everyone kept harping on the histories
of the Oilers and Isles, trying to make it look like a better game... when the
truth is that neither of these teams are very good right now).  Houston was
being considered for a CHL team early on, but the viability of a franchise
there (as well as in San Antonio) is now being questioned.  However, in all 
fairness, this is due to a concern of travel distances/costs more than
anything.  

The main thing keeping Texas out of the NHL is the same thing keeping it from
everyone else:  No one wants to step forward and put up the money (come on,
Ross, you earn $50 million in interest each month, how about making FW/D a true
major-league town???)

Marc, r.s.h contact for the CHL 
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From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
Subject: Happy Holidays, folks
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:00:13 GMT

My Pens summary hasn't shown up yet.  I'm working on the assumption that 
the net is just extremely slow today.  So I hope this holiday greeting will
eventually show up.

Happy Hanukkah, Christmas, Boxing Day, New's Year's Eve, New Year's Day,
Orthodox Christmas, whatever holiday you happen to celebrate this time of
year. 

See you next year.

Lori
From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Boston/Buffalo summary and comments
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:14:38 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <BzDADo.8xy@acsu.buffalo.edu> hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) writes:

>Stopping 48 of 50 shots, Dominik Hasek put on the performance of 
>his life, stonewalling the Bruins throughout the first and for most 
>of the game.  Neither team thought it would be easy, but Boston 

>-The score could easily have been far worse if Hasek hadn't played 
> the strongest game I've ever seen him play.

>-Buffalo's scoring came from just one line.

>-The Bruins looked frustrated by the third.

> outshooting Buffalo 23-9, but could only score once.

>-The way the Sabres (Hasek excluded) played, the score could have 
> easily been 8-3.


all of this points out that nothing has changed since I posted about
the 5-5 tie with the islanders two weeks ago... if not for an
outstanding goal tending game... the sabres suck...

jason
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From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: NHL SCORING LEADERS THRU 12/13/92
Keywords: NHL SCORING LEADERS THRU 12/13/92
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:28:48 GMT

cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:

>In article <schuck.724446644@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>>tracyj@hall103.its.rpi.edu (Jeffrey Allan Tracy) writes:
>>
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- Award
>>>SCORING               TEAM    GAMES  GOALS  ASSISTS  POINTS  +/-  PIM Predict.
>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Mario Lemieux         Pitt     31     33      49       82     25   20 Hart, Art
>>>Pat LaFontaine        Buff     31     22      33       55      2   33
>>>Jari Kurri            L.A.     31     17      34       51     22   12


>[other scorers left out for brevity's sake]


>>
>>You meant NHL Points Leaders right?
>>
>>You left out a bunch of the top scorers and left in a bunch of great passers.
>>


>You can SCORE a goal, or you can SCORE a point.

I can't resist this:

How do they decide the winner of a game? 
Do they add up the goals or do they add up the points?

>A high-scorer does *not* have to be a top goal-getter.

You *score* goals and are awarded assists.

>Check the papers;  they say 'scoring leaders', not "goal plus assist leaders"

I know they are wrong too. :)

>Usually *I* get picky about such things, but even I wouldn't have
>pointed this one out.

I was only being picky because way *too* much attention is given to
assists and nowhere *enough* attention is given to goals.

A goal is worth more than an assist because goals win games, not
assists.

PS This pickiness has *nothing* to do with Bure not making the list. :)





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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Don Cherry and Sandstrom
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:31:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.090543.10672@eua.ericsson.se> euaaen@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Engwall) writes:

>Aren't both Sandstrom and U. Samuelsson [the two swedes referred to]
>originally from the small town of Fagersta? Sandstrom definitely is,
>but I'm unsure of Ulfie.

Samuelsson was, but when I looked up Sandstrom, the Record Book listed him
as from Jakobstad, Finland!  Is that a misprint, or was he born in Finland and
moved to Sweden later on?

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: shoe@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mark Shoesmith)
Subject: Radical Format Change (flame bait)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:59:48 GMT

I don't know if this has been suggested on this group before, but in light
of the expansion rush, I think it deserves at least some consideration.
With all the worries about a declining talent pool, due to too many teams,
why not consider changing the league format to one similar to the European
Soccer leagues.

Ideas include.

1) The formation of two divisions.  Not unrealistic with 28 teams.     

2) Regular season with or without playoffs, could be used as criteria for
   promotion or demotion between the divisions.  Two divisions with 14 teams
   four games against each team in the division (52 games).  Top eight teams
   play off for league championship in Div 1, bottom 6 for two team to be
   relegated to Div. 2.  Top eight teams in Div 2 play off for promotion to
   Div. 1.  Bottom 6 stay where they are.

3) The Stanley Cup would be open for all teams with a 2 of 3, or a 3 of 5
   game format for each round

This, of course, would involve major restructuring of things like the draft,
and free agency.  These would two major stumbling blocks, in instigating a
change like this. 

So, Let's hear some thoughts on this subject.  Could it work, or am I living
in castle in the sky?

Mark S.
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From: dtokarew@tokafew.Doc.Provo.Novell.COM (Deb Tokarewich)
Subject: Re: The Anaheim Mice and the Miami vICE may be in!
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:12:06 GMT

In article <Bz6ptx.KEv@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>  
srklump@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Stephen Klump) writes:
> 
> Raw population is not sufficient to draw interest - Calgary, with a pop.
> of 800 000, outdraws Chicago, with a population of what, ten million?
	      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How do you figure this one? Unless the Saddledome holds more than the  
Stadium--I forget, although the Saddledome does "feel" more spacious.

Being a native Chicagoan, I've been to quite a few Blackhawks games ...  
and have been turned away from quite a few too. Currently living in the  
Rockies, I've been to about a dozen Flames games the past couple years,  
when I've had a chance to be up in Calgary--and although the game's  
usually been sold out (though at times not), I've never not been able to  
get in (albeit, I've had to hang from the rafters a time or two). So going  
by stadium size (and coming up with seasonal attendance numbers) doesn't  
really indicate who "outdraws" who. (Little Wrigley Field usually gets  
"outdrawn" by other parks too--though surprisingly not by as much as you'd  
think, because it's usually bursting at its seams with fans [don't ask why  
;-)] whereas bigger parks often have many empty seats.) Once the new  
Stadium's built in Chicago, we'll see what the hockey attendance  
comparisons are.

But I do agree with you in theory. Large population areas won't  
necessarily draw a lot of hockey fans if they simply don't have hockey  
interest or have not had a strong hockey tradition at some level (schools,  
rec centers, park districts, backyard ponds, etc.)--or if they haven't had  
much, if any, exposure to the game even via television (and we all know  
why that hasn't happened). So I must say, I am still a bit surprised that  
ice hockey has gone to and has been as popular as it has been in some  
places you'd normally think it wouldn't--the warmer, ice-less climates,  
like LA and Tampa.

Just out of curiosity, how many does Tampa's facility hold and how many  
are they drawing, on average, so far?  (And do you think the numbers will  
dwindle when the "novelty" of it all wears off?)
From: kenttj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Money doesn't talk, it swears.
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:34:09 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

	Once again, the NHL has passed over Milwaukee as an expansion
team.  Looking to the hockey-rich areas of Southern Florida and Anaheim,
the NHL saw a large money base, along with a multitude of hockey-loving 
fans.  I think the Miami team has a decent chance to survive, due to
many Northerners who have moved to sunny/rainy Florida.  But how many
people in Orange County need hockey badly enough to watch the Mighty Ducks
for real?  Will Anaheim try to get Mike Modano and Basil McRae to connect
the movie with the new team?
	Milwaukee has proven to be a small market area, with the Brewers
recently not being able to sign anybody due to limited resources.  It
seems that despite legions of fans who have grown up playing hockey, who
have loyally watched the University of Wisconsin hockey team be a
perennial power, and who already support the Admirals will have to wait
until the next expansion.  Or maybe the one after that.  Or maybe not.
	At least now all the bantams, squirts, and pee-wees playing
youth hockey in Cal. and Fla.  will be able to fulfill their childhood
dreams of someday playing for the home team.

					Terry K.

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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: NHL on ... Disney Channel???
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:11:25 GMT

mikes@velo.ucr.edu (Mike Shebanek) writes:
>
>If it makes it to Disney Channel, I'd be suprized.

The original brainstorm went beyond the Mighty Ducks ... if the NHL
stiffs on ESPN, going back to SportsChannel would be regressive as it
isn't available everywhere and SCA would have to redevelop their third
party national games package (as sold to SportsSouth and some Prime
outlets) from scratch ... that didn't get going until their 4th
option/desperation year.  The NHL could also get greedy and decide
that where they can't get onto Pay-Per-View or are getting too many
conflicts with Pro Beach Volleyball on ESPN, they'll go to a better
pay service like "Disney at Night".  If you look at the schedules, at
least by what I've seen through the previews, their overnight schedule
is okay for taping but it's basically repeating the main movies shown
that day.  Games starting in Mountain and Pacific Time for an Eastern
audience, and/or filling a second Disney Channel out west in primetime
(as the pay operators are going to multiplexing to hog the increasing
bandwidth with their product).  As a cynic, I'm sure that the bargain
to get Disney on the bandwagon had some kind of secret riders (like
all future profits to the "Mighty Ducks" movie, which so far have paid
for the franchise, or some outrageous fee to the league for Disney or
Disney Channel II coverage in the future).

Having Disney push the NHL could be a monster ... Imagine "The Wayne
Gretzky Story" starring the kid from "Danger Bay" as The Great One,
Wings Hauser as Glen Sather and Wil Wheaton of "Star Trek: TNG" as
Kevin Lowe ...

gld
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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: The Anaheim Mice and the Miami vICE may be in!
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:31:53 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <1992Dec11.014248.2116@dragon.acadiau.ca> 900073s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Donald Smith) writes:
> Why put a Third team in the California Area, when the L.A. Arena is
> constantly half full. (Mind you the tickets are being
> sold, it's just no one is attending...)

So that the term "Mickey Mouse Franchise" can be applied to a more a
appropriate outfit. Let's face it,it didn't quite catch on in New Jersey:-):-) 

 
>  Could it be that the NHL is simply waiting for the inevitable doom of
>Hartford before awarding Hamilton a franchise? (ie, simply move Hartford
>to Hamilton)...

Hartford will stay put for a while. The city and the owner have worked out
quite a nifty rent-free non-paying-any-tax package for the owner.All the
Whalers have to worry about is that their attendance is slightly bigger
than AHL's Providence Baby Bruins and they should stay in business with
good beer and pretzel sales during home games.
>
>  Is the league hoping for a "big" Tampa-Miami rivaly?  A big San Jose
>Anahime rivaly??  Give me a Break....

Good question. 
Do you folks realize that 75% of the population in Southern Florida is on fixed
income? I also wonder with a huge senior citizen population in that part
of Florida, will senior citezens have ticket discount?

I think the Miami experiment is doomed big time! Hamilton might get that
team in couple of years.

On Anaheim addition.I'm puzzled about that one. I wouldn't be surprised
if the soon NBA-imported comissioner had something to do with it.
Gary Bettman probably thinks that Disney people will do a good job based

on what they did with NBA's expansion Orlando franchise which is breaking
all sorts of attendance records. 

-PPV Mark
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