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From: bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt)
Subject: Re: Swords, points, etc.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:25:15 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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In article <43366@as0c.sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:
>
>simply never taught by the Chinese (Funakoshi developed his art directly from
                                     ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
>the Chinese), have in essence eviscerated the form.  
 ^^^ ^^^^^^^
>


 Where on God's green Earth did you come up with THAT?


 Bud

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From: fyodor@cormac.nas.nasa.gov (Chris L. Kuszmaul)
Subject: Re: Dougie-poo
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 20:33:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.044758.3380@uwm.edu> ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:
>wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) says:
>
>
>>	I used to know a horse that would do this.  You'd say "How many
>>fingers am I holding up" and the horse would tap his foot...
>
>
>Actually tapping(sp?) the foot three times in front of you like that
>was one of the ways people used to use to signify a challenge in China.
>Similar to slapping the face with a glove in Europe.
>

  Actually, tapping the foot three times in China was equivielent to
ringing the dinner bell in Europe, isomorphic to saying
"How" to a native American, and reduces in polynomial time to
the turing test.


   CLK
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From: doug@eng.umd.edu (Douglas N. Cohen)
Subject: Re: If these postings are a representative sample of the arts...
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 14:08:34 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Summary: an observation
Followup-To:      doug:  <doug@eng.umd.edu> : <doug@lpf.umd.edu>
Keywords: another opinion, worth what you paid for it!
Bcc: sworking@leland.Stanford.EDU, jon@zeus.med.utah.edu

In article <1992Apr16.001414.18162@leland.Stanford.EDU> sworking@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Workinger) writes:

>In article <JON.92Apr15170812@zeus.med.utah.edu>, jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd) writes:
>|>    You know, for a while there, I was seriously considering studying martial arts. 
>|>    Then I started reading this newsgroup.
>|> 
>|> you're right, of course.  i hope you get a chance to read alt.sex
>|> before you reach puberty.
>|> 
>|> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;-> ;->
>
>This is simply uncalled for, but it's not a lot worse than some of the
>other stuff that's been posted lately.   (I probably contributed to
>the problem by making statements that certain individuals interpreted
>as denigrating their arts.  Mea culpa.)
>
>It appears that some individuals choose to use the net as an outlet for
>aggression because they are relatively immune from the sort of consequences
>which would accrue if it was expressed face to face.  That's cowardly.
>If you wouldn't say it face to face, don't say it on the net.
>
>The real martial artists I've known have almost all been unfailingly polite.
>In fact the greatest ones are frequently the most humble.  
>
>We can't all be great martial artists.  But we are all capable of good
>manners and humility.  And that's not a bad start.
>
>Scott

	i think you have unjustly maligned mr. byrd.  he clearly indicated
the humor of his reply with a long line of 'smileys', more than sufficient
to cover any humor impared reader.  evidently there are exceptions to any
contingency.... (jon - take note.... next time double the number or flip
him the byrd! ah hahaaha! - sorry for my levity.... didn't mean to make
light of this very serious matter !!!)
	as to martial artists you've known, did you ever happen to notice
that the 'really good one' tend to have a 'really good' sense of humor,
also?  i suspect that tis is due to the fact that humor is not a personal
threat to them, and that through dillegent and continuous training, they
have learned the difference between good natured humor and kidding, and
derision......  on the other hand.... jon????
	{touch bin/smiles/#6}  <-=-=- (my personal method of denoting 
					humor for the humor-impared...)
	another opinion, worth what you paid for it!
	as always, i am/at:

	     doug:  <doug@eng.umd.edu> : <doug@lpf.umd.edu>

	-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-< a ghost in the machine >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
From: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Question on Musashi
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:09:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Apr15.170954.8603
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Originator: ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett) says:


>I once read a book called "American Law and the Trained Fighter," which was
>written by a laywer-type MA, and was extremely interesting. Sorry, I don't
>remember the author, and I don't still have the book, but I got it from
>Asian World of Martial Arts in Philadelphia.

There's also a book put out by Unique publications on the subject.  Can't remem
ber the name (Could even be the same one.)  It's usually advertised in the
usuall trash mags....


>One other thing I remember is that you must always try to get away, if possible,
>unless you are in your own home, in which case you don't. Also, you don't have
>to warn that you have studied MA, but you do have to warn that you will defend
>yourself, unless doing so would make your self-defense more difficult (i.e. if
>you're in a situation where you need suprise in order to defend yourself
>effectively). One other thing is that the capability of your attacker is not
>important. If a 90 year-old man takes a swing at you, you're allowed to 
>ring his bell just as if he were a 25 year-old biker.

Interesting.  In a related story,  an Asian friend of mine (who happens
to be a Boxer) was at a bar one night.  Some drunk jerk walked up to him,
and started calling him racial slurs and tried to start a fight.  My friend
did the usuall verbal comebacks and told him to leave him alone, and he
tried to walk away.  Now the drunk didn't like this and preceded to 
physically push my friend around.  My friend immediately countered
with a cross to the guys face.  It broke his jaw and sent him reeling
back.  The police had allready been called by this time so both were
escorted off for bar room brawling.  Now the thing is when appearing in
court the judge acknowleged that my friend did not start the fight and
was defending himeself.  BUT, because my friend broke the guys jaw the
judge felt that the guy had suffered more.  So my friend was the one
given a jail term to serve.

Just another example on the screwy practice of ma in reference to the court
system.


Marty
From: sc1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Which is most effective? Point/Edge weapons.
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:28:29 GMT
	<1992Apr10.182812.27132@relay.nswc.navy.mil>
Organization: Comp & Comm - Telecommunications, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>       Sometimes, as the CIA knows, killing has to be done at close
>       range.  For this purpose, a valuable weapon is the ice pick with a
>       blood arrester attached.  The blood arrester is a cloth wrapped
>       near the tip of the ice pick.  When the pick is shoved into the
>       victim, the spurting blood is absorbed by the blood arrester.
>       People who see the victim fall will probably think he has had a
>       heart attack.  While the onlookers try to help the victim, the
>       assassin uses this valuable ten or fifteen seconds to escape
>       unnoticed.

	Sheesh! That's almost as nasty as a sharpened bicycle spoke in
the kidneys...

Stephen Y. Chan		Programmer Analyst	CMU Telecommunications
stevec+@cmu.edu		(412)268-5115 [me] 	(412)268-4987 [FAX]
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From: ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Subject: Re: 2 questions.  Please read.
Keywords: stretching, sparring
Organization: Cooperative Institute for Research in the Environmental Sciences
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:20:11 GMT

In article <1299@hydra.bucknell.edu> cammarta@bucknell.edu (aaron cammarata `93) writes:
>
>	 A couple of quick questions I'd like some opinions on:
>1)
>	In the unfortunate event that you're attacked, say on the
>street somewhere, and you're not stretched out, as you would be before
>and during training, how do you deal with it?  Obviously, kicks aren't going to be as high,
>and the danger of a sprain or tear is much higher.  How do you cope?
>Any special ideas out there? 

	My feeling is that you learn to kick much higher than you
would actually want to in a fight (at least in TKD). If you can do
kicks to the head when in class, you can certainly do kicks to the
knees or groin when stiff, and would you want to try to kick someone
in the head in a real fight?

>2)
>	When sparring, what goes through your head?
	
	"God, I wonder if he/she is as tired as I am?"

			Ed Hartnett


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From: gumby@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Daniel David Reynolds)
Subject: Tai Jutsu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:04:53 GMT

     It seems that I have stirred up a bit of controversy over the style I  
call Tai Jutsu.  As i said, Will Maier and Stephen Hayes DEVELOPED the  
style with the help of Hatsumi, NOT invented.  As whoever posted it said,  
it is a very large and important part of Ninpo Taijutsu.  One of the  
differences between the two is that traditional Ninpo also involves many  
other aspects than the unarmed self defense, such as weapons fighting,  
stealth, etc.  Both of the schools also teach Ninpo as well, as a direct  
line from Hatsumi.  Once again, Tai Jutsu was DEVELOPED, not invented by  
Maier and Hayes.


-Gumby
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Choosing a style
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:50:06 GMT

06-Apr-92 10:56	tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)	Choosing a martial art - effectiveness?

>KARATE - has a heavy weight of tradition behind it.  I enjoyed it.


If 60 years qualifies as a "heavy weight" then by all means choose karate.

>	 However, it strikes me as being an inflexible system - 

It is.  Look to China for the original.  You will find that it was not always
so.
From: warlock@pro-haven.cts.com (Tye Botting, SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Dougie Wougie
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:22:06 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

In <43282@as0c.sei.cmu.edu> psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) writes:

% Doug, everyone knows that you're a spite-filled, bitter old man who just
% loves to torment these young bucks.  Good fer you by cracky.

        ;-)  "Yeah, I'm a grumpy ol' man!..."  (SNL)

% P.S. Let me take the baton: The likelihood that a 21-year-old American
%      knows anything of substance about Chinese martial arts is basically
%      nil.

        Oh, come now.  This is getting us nowhere.  All this serves to do is
        self-righteously proclaim that one is of the "I know more than you!"
        persuasion.  This not only does not allow for notable exceptions, 
        who can be *exactly* the people one could learn from, but it also
        serves to inhibit postings by other youngsters who might have 
        something useful to say.  After all, if we're all going to discount
        what all 21-yr-old Statesiders have to say, then how are we going to
        be able to help or listen to those 18-yr-olds with valid questions
        and possibly new insights into training in general.  Please don't
        make such sweeping generalizations and demean this area more than
        it already has been.  I look to r.m-a for involved discussions of
        martial arts with input from everybody.  You can decide not to read
        a post all the way through just as well as I.  My concern is that
        people feel free to post, as that one piece of insight one really
        needs to progress could be hiding in a post by *anyone*, in either a
        confirmation or negation context.  *I* may even have something useful
        to say occasionally.  ;-)

        Case in point...  when I was 21 I had already 5 yrs of training in
        the chinese arts.  Not notable or even close, but certainly not
        worthy of total disregard.  I started my training in Malaysia under
        a very good chinese instructor who had a lot of good knowledge and
        experience to pass on.  Incidently, I am only 26 now, if it matters.
        I teach kung fu at the A&M club, and yes, there is still plenty that
        I need to learn and master.  I realize this and welcome it.  I'm
        looking forward to more training in the internal styles I'm interested
        in (taiji and baguazhang) as well as continuing in my current external
        style and learning other styles of kung fu.

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From: pauljone@aludra.usc.edu (Michael Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Zen Flesh, Zen Bones  by Paul Reps
Date: 7 Apr 1992 09:15:04 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <ku3g8dINN6al@male.EBay.Sun.COM> scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid) writes:
>
>The book is still available in paperback. See your
>local bookdealer. It's readily available.
>
>
>--
>Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply


This book is a nice introduction to the ideas of Zen.  I got it as
a paperback with about a hundred pages.  It's filled with stories
that are one or two pages long.  I've bought several copies, 'cause
I keep giving it away!  Also of interest is a book called _The Ronin_,
which is a story incorporating several of the chapters of ZFZB.


Mike


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From: dent@DIALix.oz.au (Andrew Dent)
Subject: Re: Meaning???
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 17:09:14 GMT

In <1992Apr5.171521.15323@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:

>In article <1992Apr5.072405.1877@reed.edu> gsinghma@reed.edu (Gaurav) writes:
>>The night before T.'s last night, while in roughly the same posture, it  
>>occured to me in a moment of most profound insight that sitting in this  
>>way must be a horrible thing to do to my knees. Am I wrong? If not, why  

>The good news is that, if your knees are otherwise healthy, this
>position is not harmful.  Just painful.  And there is a simple
>solution to the pain problem: conditioning.  What worked for me was
>sitting seiza while watching the evening news.  Every night, I just

Having suffered through one bad knee injury, I now have to be VERY careful
about these sort of postures.

I find that stretching the hamstrings and then quads is the key - I can
walk into class and be unable to get my heel within a couple of inches of my
butt without pain but 15 minutes gentle stretching and no posture problems
at all!

Long slow static stretches are the key and doing the hamstrings before the
quads seems to ease the strain on the tendons around the knee.

Andy Dent
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 what one can't do" (Garfield)
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From: sworking@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Workinger)
Subject: Chi Kung Lecture and Workshop
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 00:29:56 GMT


                   
Education in Taoist Health Practice

In early China, Taoists were famed for their longevity.  This longevity 
was the consequence of health sciences developed in the various Taoist 
monasteries.  Three foundations of Taoist health practice are chi kung, 
diet, and meditation.  Chi kung builds the body's energy capacity and 
facilitates healthy circulation.  The science of diet tailors an 
individual's eating patterns to the person's individual character and 
current circumstances.  Meditation calms the mind, thus avoiding the de 
stabilizing effects of mental agitation.  

Unfortunately, access to Taoist health science has been very limited, 
especially in the United.States., and it is rare to meet individuals who 
are qualified to teach these practices.  Kwan Saihung will be offering
instruction in Taoist health practices in the San Francisco Bay area 
during the spring of this year.  

Kwan Saihung has pursued scholarly and martial studies through a long and 
eventful life.  Today, he occasionally emerges from retirement to teach 
Taoist health practices in the belief that the benefits of such practice 
should be made available to all individuals.


Lecture:  An Introduction to Taoist Health Practice

	Time:  Friday, May 8 at 7:30 PM. 
	Location:  Cypress Room, Second Floor, 
	Tressidor Student Union, Stanford University
	Cost:  Free

          
Workshop:  Foundations of Taoist Health Practice

	Beginning Taoist Yoga:  The Eight Brocades Exercises
	Diet:  Theory and Practice
	Chi Kung:  Basic exercises to open the meridians and strengthen 
		   the body
	Meditation:  Golden Light Meditation
	Time:  Friday, May 15 (evening), May 16, May 17
	Location:  To be announced (General vicinity of Palo Alto)
	What to Bring:  1) A black sash of polyester/cotton, 6 inches in 
			width and long enough to wrap around your waist 4
			times, 2) Water, 3) Notebook 4) Towel or pad, 
			5) Sitting cushion for meditation.
	
	Later workshops in the series will introduce progressively more 
	advanced theory and exercises.

Interested individuals may wish to review the book, "Scholar Warrior, An 
Introduction to the Tao in Everyday Life" by Deng Ming-Dao, 1990, 
HarperCollins.  The book, written by Kwan Saihung's senior student, 
describes several Taoist health practices.

To register for the workshop or to obtain further information, please 
contact:

	Mitchell Tsao	
	Tsao's Acupuncture and Herbal Clinic				
	36601 Newark Blvd.						
	Old Town Center #2						
	Newark, California 94560
	(510) 795-1410

	   <or>

	Scott Workinger
	Box 9767
	Stanford, Ca. 94309
	sworking@leland.stanford.edu
From: lampij@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Zen Flesh, Zen Bones  by Paul Reps
Date: 3 Apr 92 20:23:53 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <11670@tamsun.tamu.edu>, me@zacnxtb.tamu.edu (My Account) writes:
> In article <1992Mar30.132045.1479@brandonu.ca> lampij@brandonu.ca writes:
>> 
>> Zen Flesh, Zen Bones.
>> A Collection of Zen and Pre-Zen Writings
>> Compiled by Paul Reps
>> 
> Don't happen to know where I can get this book, do ya?

This book was first published in the 1930's as four separate volumes.
The edition I have came to me from a friend who found it in a used book
store in Winnipeg, Manitoba for $1.50!!

You may write to:
	Anchor Books
	Doubleday & Co., Inc.,
	Garden City, New York

My edition was printed in 1961, so you may have to comb through a few
used book stores in order to find it, but I assure you it would be
well worth the effort!!

Douglas Lampi

Lampij@brandonu.ca
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Which Style To Take
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:16:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: craycos.1992Apr8.151640.2004
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <POPOVICH.92Apr7163923@morningside.cs.columbia.edu> popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich) writes:
>ninjam@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Marty) writes:
>
>>tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) says:
>>
>>>KARATE - has a heavy weight of tradition behind it.  I enjoyed it.
>
>>As another poster said, it's only about 60 years of tradition.  Other
>>Japanese styles go back farther.
>
>60 years?  Well, that depends on whether you count the various
>Okinawa-te "styles", Shuri-te, Naha-te, Tomari-te, etc.  These have
>been around considerably longer...
>...really, though, it was my understanding that "te" came from
>China ("T'ang hand" = "Kara-te", pre-Funakoshi style) several hundred
>years ago.

Historically, there's a distinction between Tode (T'ang Hand) and
Okinawa-te or, simply, Te (an indigenous Okinawan art of uncertain origin). 
The first known performance of Chinese martial arts on Okinawa dates
to the early 18th century. There are references to Te in Okinawan literature
that predate this by at least 300 years (Te is known to have existed in
Okinawa during the reign of Sho Hashi in the early 15th Century). The
influence of Chinese arts on the development of Karate has certainly
been broad and profound, but it's also been relatively recent. This
was *one* of the points Funakoshi was attempting to make when
he used the modern term "Karate" (note also that he was *not* the first
to do so - Hanagi Chomo used it in print at least 20 years earlier).

Steve
From: upload@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Posting guidelines
Date: 15 Apr 1992 19:23:47 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
Distribution: na
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In article <1992Apr15.140427.161@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
>In article <sgfapINNln4@agate.berkeley.edu> upload@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>>The idea is this:  no one will be permitted to write declarative sentences 
>>about any art unless they have personally trained in it for at least a
>>month.
>
>Make it a decade.
>
>Steve

No, that wouldn't work.  Then there would only be a bunch of old farts named
Steve talking about how commercialism has ruined the art, and how maybe
in another couple decades they'll have a decent spinning back hook kick.


(again, :-) for the smiley impaired)
From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
Subject: Re: Musashi Question
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:06:28 GMT

This guy does seem likely to be more closely akin to Hon'iden
Matahachi than to Miyamoto Musashi, doesn't he :-).

You may recall that, at least in Yoshikawa's embellished version of
Musashi's life story, Matahachi was Takezo^'s (Musashi's) friend who
went around impersonating the famous swordsman Sasaki Kojiro until he
met the real owner of that name...

I wonder, though, if he's really such a good martial artist, why he
decided that he had to do something this seemingly ridiculous.
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From: bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt)
Subject: Re: Musashi Question
    <1992Apr14.071319.5001@craycos.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:22:11 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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 I reckon a 'fully ranked' system id one that's been
left out in the sun too long....


-- 
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************************| Then you are probably better than most people!
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