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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Tempos and Loyales, Info needed
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:42:31 GMT

In article <BxKLGC.IIr@mcigate.apdev.mci.com> cac@mcigate.apdev.mci.com (Chris_Clabaugh) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.113035.3989@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> dtg@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
>>Also, I noticed a Subaru called the Loyale??  It's like a mini-wagon type of
>>car.  I'd never heard of it before.  Anyone know anything about these???

	If I am not mistaken, the Loyale is the old GL with a new name.  It 
does come in wagon form, but not minivan.  It supposedly has a good reliability
record.  
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From: marks@ssdevo.enet.dec.com (Randy Marks)
Subject: opinions wanted:  CHEVY/GMC SUBURBAN
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Colorado Springs
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:40:52 GMT

I'm seriously considering the purchase of a '93 Chevy/GMC Suburban.

I'd like to hear from others who have a Suburban (since it was
re-designed).   

This is what I'm considering:
- K1500 (4 wheel drive)
- 350 engine
- top Silverado trim
- tailgate (instead of panel doors)
- front bucket seats
- on/off road tires
- rear heat (but not rear air - I live in Colorado)


Thanks in advance for any info.
Randy Marks

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From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)
Subject: Audi transmission gate (was Are there any Luxary AWD?
Organization: clearer than blir
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:22:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.183950.11573@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>With regards to Audi, I do not think they were commenting on the
>problems with that style of transmission.

well i don't have that issue, so i can't quote any text from it.
you yourself quoted some text on their criticism of the zigzag
gate.

> I think they were
>commenting on Audi's particular implementation of it. They also
>mentioned other problems with the trans. not releated to it. 

that is beside the point.  there is no explanation, other than blatant
bias why they would criticise the Audi's zigzag gate so harshly and
not murmur a word on the identical benz one.

>Did you compare the Infinity Transmission to the Audi? Well, CU
>displayed pictures of both. Though both used the zigzag pattern
>Audi's was *quite* different from Infinity's. The answer is plain and
>simple they must have not found Infinity's design to be as 
>awkward as Audi's. If they were identicalor at least very close
>then you would have a point.

The only difference between the Q45's gate and the Audi/Benz gate is
the location of first gear.  in the q45 you move it to the right; in
the audi, you go down.  how is that significantly different?  the
answer is plain and simple: they are biased.

don't take their word or my word for it.  just go to the auto shows
and play with the transmissions of these cars and decide for yourself
if they are significantly different.  if they are not, then this is
a clear cut example of blatant bias.


eliot
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From: jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi)
Subject: New Rotary Engine Design 
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:22:18 GMT

Apparently news has leaked that Mazda has a new version of its rotary engine
close to production, it is said to have 10% better fuel millage and a 60%
decrease in fuel emissions. One of the design changes is a direct  fuel 
injection into the rotors and longer combustion process. Mazda has said that
the engine is still being tested and will not be seen for awhile in any
production units but outsiders say they are ver close to production. I sure
hope this opens the door for the 3-rotor in the RX7, one of the main reason
I heard that it didn't get put in the 3rd generation RX7 was because of
emission problems.
-- 
Jeff Nappi
Columbus Bell Labs
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From: philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Great book:  Rivethead
Date: 8 Nov 92 18:02:18
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
Reply-To: philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu
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If you want to understand the American auto industry, you must read
"Rivethead" (at bookstores everywhere).  It is a remarkable expose
about what GM management is really like, from the perspective of a
rather thoughtful guy on the assembly line.

Philip Greenspun
MIT Department of EECS
From: mdk2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MATTHEW DENNIS KROKOSZ)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Air bag tests
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:13:59 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov6.224933.7157@exu.ericsson.se>, lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Sta
mos Stamos) writes:
>
>
>
>
>From a local paper: Air Bags offer best protection, test show
>
>Automobiles equipped with air bags generally afforded drivers much better
>protection from head injuries than those with only seatbelts, according
>to the latest US gov. crash test results
>
>Seventy-one vehicles, all 1993s were crashed into a cement barrier at
>56kph to simulate head-on collision of two cars [each car traveling at
>28 kph, pretty slow isn't it?]
>
>Thirty-four of the cars had air bags and in each test, seatbelts were
>in place to protect test dummies.
>
>Of teh 15 cars in which the dummy drivers sustained the least severe
>injures, 13 were equipped with air bags. No air bags were in  any of
>the 11 cars in which drivers had the most severe and probably life-
>threatening head injuries.
>
>The test were conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
>
>The car with the worst crash-test results was the two-door Oldsmobile
>Achieva, in which the dummy driver sustained a head impact twice as hard
>as is needed to cause serious brain damage or death [at 56kph? what a crap
>car]. A similar result was recorded in the Chevrolet Astro Van.
>
>A level of 1,000 head-injury criteria(HIC) is considered severe enough
>to cause serious and perhaps fatal brain damage, while one of less than
>500 is not expected to inflict serious injuries.
>
>The car with the best test result was the four-door Volvo 240 sedan.
>
>Over-all, the 37 cars that had only seatbelts had an average HIC of 931
>while the 34 cars with driver side air bags had an average of 592.
>
>[Achieva HIC=~>2000, Volvo HIC=~<592, what a difference!]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--
>Stamos <lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se>            ZZR11            Ellas
>Ericsson, Cellular Design
>Montreal, Canada.
>

I am doing a research paper on air bag restraint systems for a class and I
just want to clear something up that was stated.

Driving a car into a brick wall at 56kph is not the same thing as a head on
collision of two cars traveling at 28kph.  It is in fact the same thing as a
head on collision of two cars traveling at 56kph, having equal masses.  The
reason for this is that at the moment the front bumpers touch, the two cars
will both begin to come to a complete stop, which is the same thing as driving
one of those cars into a brick wall.

I think knowing this will make the information from the study more beleivable.
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Are there any Luxary AWD?
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:53:43 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <sf026ie00iUx45tGpM@andrew.cmu.edu> eb2b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Edward Rosales Bella) writes:
>I was just wondering what type of Luxary cars are out on the market
>today which would be good in the Snow.  I know there was the BMW 325IX
>but since they are not producing those anymore what is out there?  send
>e-mail to: eb2b@andrew.cmu.edu or post to the board.
>
   Audi V-8 Quattro

   Audi S4 (actually faster than the V-8)

   Porsche Carrera/4

   Range Rover
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Rotary vs. Piston Engines
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:54:54 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>In article <antkasx.721417575@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> antkasx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Ken A.
 
>Sturrock) writes:
>>
>>Mazda's exhaust systems have always been very good at cleaning up the exhaust
>>as well as quieting down the noise. one of the problems with the original
>>"thermal reactor" emissions system was increased fuel consumption.
>>
>  The other problem with the original used on the Cosmo and RX-2/3
>  was that it sounded like a motorized "whoopee cushion", making
>  some rather gross noises on trailing throttle.

Yup, my 1974 RX-3 backfired like a sumbitch even when brand new, and it
only got worse with time. Damn embarassing too. "You runnin yer car
on beans, Harv?" 

Another funny thing is that the back of the car (which was white) got a
yellowish film on it above the tailpipe. Polish or 409 or whatever would
take it off, but a few weeks of driving and it was back again. 
I always thought it was interesting that a car with such a tiny engine
had such an absolutely huge muffler and large rectangular-outlet 
tailpipe. In fact the original muffler outlived the original engine
(which blew up at 60,000 miles) and the replacement engine 
(which blew up at 120,000 miles). 

Harv
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From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:13:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.003353.15419@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:

>People who only drive automatics would be in a tight spot in
>Europe. If they wanted to rent a car, they'd have to rent a
>Mercedes instead of a Golf.

I've been to Europe three times and have never had a problem getting a
reasonably-priced automatic. While the smallest econoboxes (ie, Metros,
Fiestas, Polos) are hard to come by in automatics, the next step up
(Escorts, Grenadas) is no problem at all. I've never had to pay more than 150
pounds per week, unlimited mileage.

(Note that when going to Britain, even people comfortable with a stick
in North America like renting automatics. Not everyone can easily make
the transition to shifting with their left hand.)

>I guess these ignorant people would have to pay
>for not giving a stick an honest try, especially when they only need
>a small car.

That doesn't apply just to rentals. Automatics are always an
extra-expense option, except on the larger "luxury" boats.
There's no question that an automatic is more expensive, more
complex mechanically, and often impractical on the very smallest
cars.  That's a tradeoff some of us can live with. It's a tradeoff every
Macintosh owner has made. (oops, sorry, wrong flame-war :-)

I also am forced to fly airlines, pay their fares and change my
schedules to suit theirs, because I don't have a pilot's license.
Another tradeoff. People make many such tradeoffs each day.

-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
         "IBM's three letters are probably EBCDIC for CYA" - Nik H.
From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Top 20 Selling Vehicles of 1992
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:50:38 GMT
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center

In article <1992Nov5.133546.15576@swlvx2.msd.ray.com> hsd@swl.msd.ray.com (HERBERT DASILVA) writes:
>hsd@swl.msd.ray.com (HERBERT DASILVA) writes:
>
>>  3. Honda Accord		This is the list of top 20 sales of
>>  6. Toyota Camry		The Globe lists their source as
>> 11. Honda Civic
>> 14. Toyota Corolla
>> 18. Toyota pickup
>
>>  4 out of the 20 are Japanese imports, the others are domestic.
>
>>	Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva
>
>  OK, OK, before the beatings begin, it's obvious that there are 5, not 4
>  Japanese imports in the top 20, so just save the flames, OK?  :-)
>
>	Herb "Mopar Maniac" DaSilva

But are these ALL really Japanese IMPORTS?  They may be Japanese cars, but I
believe several are built right here in the good ol' USof.

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1969 Barracuda Formula 340S    1993 H-D FLHS 
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From: mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar)
Subject: Re: AUTOMATICS CAN BE NICE! (Was Re: FLAME! Only a Manual!)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:28:31 GMT

In article <184199@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>In article <1dku0uINNm95@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>In a previous article, mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) says:
>>>>> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA writes:
>
>   I really would like to see one of these children tell a certain
>   Jim Hall, face to face, that he is a [portion of female anatomy,
>   censored] because the Chaparral used an automatic.   
>   Or maybe Daddy Don with one of his B+M modified Chrysler 
>   Torque-Flites..?  
>
>   But then some are so uncertain of their masculinity that any
>   excuse to ATTEMPT to show same with "real he-man" blatherings
>   simply can't be passed up.

Um, I am not sure why my name is in the quote line, but as I recall, I
wrote an article that supported the use of automatics. Could be wrong, but
I think that it would be hard for me to forget what I wrote about. 

Am I missing something here, or what??

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|   mmshar@mn.ecn.purdue.edu    | alive and keep the idiots from taking over.|
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From: ko@eecs.nwu.edu (John Ko)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Need BMW shop man.?
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:19:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: eecs.1992Nov10.211930.29853
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University


Besides paying over $200 for a M635 factory shop manuals
at a BMW dealer, does anyone know of any cheaper source?
And is there a good discount mail order place?
Lastly what is the mailing address for BMW's.

BTW, M6 is a fine car for cruising, better performance
than SHO Tarus (which would have beenmy next car if the M6
wasn't avail).

Thanks for any info.
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: BETTER? 92 Camaro or 92 Iroc Daytona??
Date: 10 Nov 1992 23:07:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik) says:


>Want to go for a record? After all, you added to it instead of deleting,
>and I'm getting too lazy to delete. Here's my last addition to the thread.
>I think it's time to kill this one.
>
>Torque Monger

agreed!
DREW
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From: leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 10:02:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Corvette's Passive Keyless Entry (PKE)
Organization: HP Singapore
Newsgroups: rec.autos

In rec.autos, rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com (Bob Haar) writes:

|In article 53060088@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com, leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG) writes:
||>In rec.autos, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
||>|
||>   [deleted stuff about PKE]
||>|
||>|If you leave the key in the ignition and try to manually lock the doors,
||>|they will automatically unlock.  If you lock your keys and transmitter
||>|in the car by mistake and they are not in the ignition, you simply shake
||>|the car and the transmitter will "wake up" (it goes into a sleep mode
||>|after 25 seconds) and unlock the doors.
||>|
||>|It's a neat system that takes a short amount of time to get used to.
||>
||>Neat?  If you forget and lock your keys in the car, you could also walk 
||>away and forget it (eg left on seat).  Someone comes along, shakes the car
||>awake, and drives off  (half) ;-).  Pity no one imports 'vettes here.  Could
||>do with one :-) :-)
||>
|
|That's not much differnet for a car without PKE. If you leave the keys 
|in the car, you are asking for it to be stolen. Even if you lock the
|doors with the keys inside, it is really easy to get into most cars.
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Granted.  But can you imagine the sight of opportunists who go around bouncing
'vettes? :-) 

lawrence
From: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Cars for tall people
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:23:08 GMT
Reply-To: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)

>In article <1992Oct29.222655.4976@mwhhlaw.uucp>, jim@mwhhlaw (James P. Cavanaugh III) writes:
>>	Anyway, are there any real tall guys out there who have done  
>>some car shopping recently?  Any information about comfortable cars for  
>>taller folks would be appreciated.

I'm only 6' 3", but I understand the problem.  I've also done a lot of
looking at new and used cars lately.  

Hondas are generally very good.  I've had no problem in my old
Prelude, or the Civics and Accords I've driven.  I sat in the new
ones, and the new Civics are a little cramped, but the delSol, Accord
and Prelude all fit me comfortably (the Prelude was the least
comfortable (and ugliest) though).

Toyotas are all hostle to taller drivers, and most everything japanese
with a "rolling" (retracting?) sunroof is out too (they usually put
the mechanics inside, making the headroom shorter).  Nissan sedans are
ok (my in-laws have a Maxima that I can sit in).  Isuzu's are
generally dinky, and Suzuki's are microscopic.  I didn't try any of
the new Mazda's exept the Miata which was a joke.  The old Datsun
1600/2000 which is much smaller than the Miata had more legroom and
headroom, and a mock back seat as well.  (If I were petite, I'd like
'em though).

My full-sized Chevy Blazer is fairly comfortable :-).  I also have a
'84 Mazda RX7, but unless the sunroof is cranked up a little, there is
no headroom to speak of.

American luxury cars generally have lots of headroom and legroom, but
it's they're no Civic replacement, if that's what he's looking for.
I've driven a Cadillac coupe deVille, and it was comfortable and
powerfull, and cost a small fortune.  I've rented late-model Fords,
and they were all comfortable to sit in, but varied as far as car
quality (Tempo (yuk!), Taurus (yawn), and Probe (neat)).

Some of the Volkswagons are ok seating position-wise (I don't know
anyone who has been really happy with the cars or the service they've
been able to find though).  I had a BMW convertible which was ok, but
that was because it didn't have any headliner, so I had enough
headroom.  The 500 series and up are roomy though.  I also had a 60's
Mercedes that was great for both legroom and headroom, but cost more
than a supertanker to keep on the road.  I hear that Audi's are nice,
but I didn't sit in any of the new ones.  I also liked the Saabs I sat
in and test drove, especially the 9000.  Ugly on the outside, but nice
inside (wierd, but nice).  Jeeps are good.  Both the Wrangler and the
Cherokee have good head and legroom, and I've driven both comfortably.

So, I'd check out American and German engineering, or Hondas for my
first round.

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From: stiegg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Mark Stiegler)
Subject: Re: Corvette Turbo
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:31:16 GMT

steve.dunham@uuserv.cc.utah.edu (STEVE LEE DUNHAM) writes:

>In article <1992Nov7.070750.10546@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ctoth@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher M Toth) writes:
>>From: ctoth@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Christopher M Toth)
>>Subject: Corvette Turbo
>>Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 07:07:50 GMT
>>	Do Corvette's come in Turbo form? I was wondering if I could
>>get a Corvette Turbo. Have they ever come with a Turbo?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Christopher M. Toth                   "With an Iron fist in a velvet glove
>>The Ohio State University              We are sheltered under the gun
>>Columbus State                         In the glory game on the power train
>>CIS/History Major                      Thy's kingdom's will be done."-Rush

>I've heard of the Sledgehammer which is a twin turbo modified vette
> "Road & Track Fastest Street Legal Cars 1990" the price and top speed are
>both outrageous.

Yes...its a Callaway.  254mph at the Ohio Transportation test track, driven
to and back from Connecticut.  People have been flaming the Callaways and
yes they do have notorious problems, like the exhause manifolds melting....
but then when in history was there a 'vette  w/o its minor problems? :-)
Fixing them is half the fun...

  Greg

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