From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt M. Bose)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Least Valuable Players (career), or Great Clubhouse Influences
Date: 12 Apr 92 10:04:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.3zvj1yl
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Apr12.092123.13711@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca ( ) writes:
>In <1992Apr12.033648.7561@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>
>>For *THAT* matter, what are you talking about?  The Blue Jays were BAD
>>when they had Alfredo Griffin.  In fact, very bad.  They got better when
>>they replaced him with Tony Fernandez.  The As won 3 straight pennants
>
>Blew Jays record in the Griffin years:
>
>79 - 53-109
>80 - 67-95
>81 - 37-69
>82 - 78-84
>83 - 89-73
>84 - 89-73
>
>No they "get better" with griffin in the lineup - when fernandez came
>they were already good...
>
Yep.  They were rotten when they put him in.  They were good when they booted 
him.  Therefore they must had gotten better during that time.  Did he get 
better???? No??? Gee, I suppose that they must have gotten better because of
the other people on the team.  Bell and Barfield and Moseby all came up. They
became the people, when the Jays canned people like Collins, who made the team
improve.  And when they got rid of Fettucine, they were good enough to win the
division.

Unless you're saying that Fetty was a jerk when he JOINED the team.
>
>>Good, then make him a coach. He can still have that great positive 
>>influence on the team on the bench and in the clubhouse, and he won't
>>be killing the team at the plate.
>
>well he is sitting on TO's bench this year...If TO wins will you
>concede that he might be a factor - just might mind you - 'cause there
>is no sure way to measure it :-)
>
Fine.  If YOU concede that when TOR loses that Fetty was a factor.

>>Hell, I can name a team of 25 "really nice guys" that would lose to the
>>1991 Indians every time they played.  Start with Rene Gonzales and work
>>from there.  On the other hand, give me a team full of disruptive players 
>>like Tartabull, Mitchell, Belle, Strawberry, and Henderson, and they'd wipe 
>>the floor with any team around.
>
>its the mix, the chemistry of players working together, some are nice
>guys, some are jerks (just like this board...) the point is that the
>chemistry is beyond analysis...
>
Aw, c'mon.  We disagree with you, but we don't think you're a jerk.

>>I know there are players out there that are a lot of fun to watch, (there
>>are several of them on the Orioles, like Billy "Am I *really* related to 
>>Cal?" Ripken) but why you think this means they belong in the majors is 
>>beyond me.
>
>if billy hangs in as long as alfredo then you will have to concede that
>he must be doing something right...
>
Yes, he can play defense.  Which Fetty can't.

>If you go to the odd game you get to see little things like high fives
>at the plate and you get to hear the players relating to each other.  Doesn't
>
Yeah, but Fernandez gets a lot more high-fives at the plate, seeing as how
he CROSSES it so much more OFTEN.  Does this make him more 'respected' than
Fetty???

>No but his teammates DO care.  its a long season out there guys...
>
Yeah, so don't go thinking that the Jays are great just because they haven't
lost yet.  Have they even played Fetty yet???

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