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From: felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (felix.cabral)
Subject: Re: Winter Despair!!!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:14:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.125840.10121@walter.bellcore.com> ngs@nyquist.bellcore.com writes:
> In article <3938@wyse.wyse.com>, jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497) writes:
>|> Well, just as I was beginning to think the season was coming to an end, I
>|> realize It's OVER!.
>|> 
>|> It is now weeks since I went sailing, and the chances of wind seem pretty slim.
>|> ...
>|> Yikes, I don't think I can make it....... I see little windsurfers crwaling
>|> up the walls!
>
>Now you know how I feel in April when the wind season ends in NJ. It doesn't
>help to read the daily nuke reports from the west coast all summer :->
>
>Ned

I don't know Ned. I've been out planing at least once a week for the past
few months now. Although, to be fair it has mostly been in ~15 knots and
on floaty slalom or course boards. However, WE HAVE GALE WARNINGS!!!!
I'm drooling already. Its expected we will have 30-40knots starting late
this afternoon (11-12-92). Tommorrow and saturday will also bring good wind.

Lets just hope it realy comes. We have had lots of false calls thus far.
Today the wind will be SE. Great ocean sailing at the hook (as long as the
thunder storms don't come as expected). Tommorrow west winds are good at
the spy house and horsehoe cove (hook).



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From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:07:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Excerises
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

> I am writing as a pretty keen, improving windsurfer.  I would describe
> myself as intermediate (can waterstart, manage the odd neat carve
> gybe, and enjoy jumping as high as I can....) but my arm strength is a
> bit weedy.

I think having good sails properly rigged is more important (and much
more fun) than building up your arms.  I used to have to quit after
60-90 minutes of sailing because my arms wore out.  This year, with
Windwing Race sails, I typically sail for 2 or 3 hours with little
arm fatigue.  When a good sail is properly rigged, it will balance on
the harness hook with very little hand pressure, and it will stay
balanced (or at least close) in the gusts. 

Back when I was working on my arms, I tried a soft rubber ball and
a four-finger spring gizmo sold in rock-climbing shops.  I always
worried that these would cause repetitive motion injuries to my hands
or wrists because you press them against your palms.  Maybe other 
climbers' exercisers (the hanging ones) would work, though.


Ken "gorilla arms no longer needed" Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: pjp@sloth.mlb.semi.harris.com (Pat J. Pinchera)
Subject: Florida Season (was Re: Excerises)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:15:12 GMT
Organization: Interface & Control Systems, Inc., Melbourne FL

In article <3460@carroll1.cc.edu> dtroup@carroll1.cc.edu (David C. Troup) writes:
>	ps - Ive heard the season is getting underway down in Florida! Anyone
>	care to comment on that? If any netters are going to be in the
>	Tampa/Sarasota area in January, let me know. It looks like I may be
>	down there for a couple of weeks. (It was that *or* snowboarding back
>	here in the Midwest...what would YOU choose!?)

Yes, the season has definitely started. This past sunday it was 20-25
mph, NNE most of the day. Then it blew like that or better on Monday and
Tuesday (11/9-10). I only got out on Sunday, 5.2 on the Challenge Flex.
The winds were great for the ocean but I opted for the Indian River.
Haven't talked to anyone that went out at the Picnic Tables (eh Mark?).
This weekend is shaping up to be a good one for the Florida Funboard
Championships at Kelly Park in Merritt Island. The forecast is for
15-20 mph on Saturday. It's going to be cold (relatively speaking) on
Sunday, highs in the 60's, but don't know about wind on Sunday, could be
blasting, or could be light, depends upon where the high behind the front
goes.
Let me know if you get over to the East Coast.

Pat
 'P19' (USWA# now!)
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Winter Despair!!!
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:32:46 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

Well, just as I was beginning to think the season was coming to an end, I realize
It's OVER!.

It is now weeks since I went sailing, and the chances of wind seem pretty slim.

This year, I don't even have a Baja trip planned because I'm taking
a trip to Seattle after Xmas, and going to Arizona in the spring.

Yikes, I don't think I can make it....... I see little windsurfers crwaling up the
walls!

Whats worse, I don't have any equipment for sale, and I don't really need any
so I will just have to wait.

Maybe I'll join Windanon!


Jim Munro
From: dtroup@carroll1.cc.edu (David C. Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Best Excercise?
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:53:09 GMT
Organization: DCT Technologies, Inc.



kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) writes:


>Anyway, sailing is the best exercise.  What no wise cracks?  Ok, I found
>stairmaster, racquetball and Nautalis with some time on free weights set
>for rowing worked pretty well last year.  this year I'm trying to do
>Rollerblading for an hour Sat and Sun AM rather than stairmaster (more
>fun).

>Kirk out

	Ive found that Rock Climbing keep be in great shape for sailing. With
	the flexibility involved, finger/arm strength and endurance, and best
	of all, when it's not windy I climb. And if it rains/snows, I climb
	indoors! (built a climbing wall at a friends bike shop) Climbing is
	great 'cause like windsurfing, its an all body type of workout. Granted
	that if you *realy* get involved, the cost of ropes, shoes and other
	equipment starts to take $$ away from possible sailing gear, but thats
	the price of fun!

	And if we're all working out, lets not forget to excercise those
	antagonistic muscle groups. Thats one of the best recommended way to
	reduce the risk of injury (from what Ive heard).

	ps - Ive heard the season is getting underway down in Florida! Anyone
	care to comment on that? If any netters are going to be in the
	Tampa/Sarasota area in January, let me know. It looks like I may be
	down there for a couple of weeks. (It was that *or* snowboarding back
	here in the Midwest...what would YOU choose!?)


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From: greg@watson.ibm.com (Gregory Russell)
Subject: Re: Hot Air = Big Sails?
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:29:42 GMT
Reply-To: greg@clousseau.watson.ibm.com (Gregory Russell)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Another important factor is humidity - warm air holds more moisture, and
tropical areas tend to have higher relative humidity.  These factors add
up to more H2O in the air.  Air is 79% N2, 20% O2, for an average molecular
weight of about 25 grams/mole.  H2O is only 18 grams/mole, so a few percent
water vapor can also change the air density by perhaps 1% to 2%.  Thus,
there may be 5% lower density, and 5% less lift in Singapore than in the
Gorge, at the same wind velocity.  This still wouldn't account for the
difference in sail area (5.0 --> 5.3 m2 is more than 5% increase in lift).

To further complicate matters, only anemometers with rotating elements will
indicate true wind velocity, (unless you correct for temperature, humidity,
et cetera).  The simple ball and tube anemometers will actually measure
dynamic pressure, which is the same thing that sail lift depends on.  So,
the inexpensive wind meters are probably the best type for choosing sail
size, as they incorporate the air density into the measurement.  Once again,
this should only be about 5% factor at sea level, but the folks in Colorado
(especially on a hot, humid day - I know it's never humid there) will see a
dramatic difference between spinner type and ball and tube type wind meters,
and the ball and tube type should be more closely related to sail size than
the spinner type, as you go back and forth among Maui, Gorge, and Boulder. 

Any pilots out there should be able to attach more accurate numbers to
this discussion.
 
Bye - 
Greg (greg@clousseau.watson.ibm.com)
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Excerises
Date: 4 Nov 92 18:12:26 GMT
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD

>I am writing as a pretty keen, improving windsurfer.  I would describe
>myself as intermediate (can waterstart, manage the odd neat carve
>gybe, and enjoy jumping as high as I can....) but my arm strength is a
>bit weedy.
>
>What kind of excercises/weight training have people found most
>effective and useful in building up windsurfing muscles?
>
>Matt.
----------
If you are carving and jumping on a short board, I'd consider you more than
an intermediate! 8-)

Anyway, sailing is the best exercise.  What no wise cracks?  Ok, I found
stairmaster, racquetball and Nautalis with some time on free weights set
for rowing worked pretty well last year.  this year I'm trying to do
Rollerblading for an hour Sat and Sun AM rather than stairmaster (more
fun).

Kirk out
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: u9250301@cc.uow.edu.au (Michael James Nelson)
Subject: australia
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 23:27:52 GMT

Hi all,
	thanx all for the email, its greatly appreciated, unfortunately i 
cant send back due to a computer stuff up!
Most have probably not heard much about the east coast of australia, for
sailing, as compared to the west coast.
	I have been competing in course racing for the past two years and have
travelled all over the east coast over that time.
	The pick would probably be Melbourne (actually on the south coast in 
Victoria). Our national tittles were there last year, and we recieved 25
knot sea breezes for the five consecutive days i was there, and apperantly,
the sea breeze kicks in over 20 knots allmost every day arround december
and january. Conditions were unreal, 20 knot racing and 1.5 - 2 metre
(i think thats about 4 feet) ocean swells coming in, made for exciting racing
	Further east is Sandy Point. This strip of water is protected by a 
sand bar, but recieves the full sea breeze, creating perfect flat water,
and a speed of just over 42 knots a couple of years ago by Mal Wright.
	Also west of melbourne is Bells Beach, the home of Jason Polakow, 
i havn't sailed there, i value life to much!
	The NSW is full of beach's and lakes close by for sailing, the sailing
 spots r endless. Around my home (which is 80 kilometers south of sydney),
we have a huge lake, and three of the best wave sailing beaches on the coast.
It is such a hard life!!!!
any way ive rambled on for too long, if u do want to know more EMAIL me
, my number is up there some where!
Going now, a southerly change is just coming thriugh!

Michael Nelson   KA12
From: dtroup@carroll1.cc.edu (David C. Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: EMAIL failed - please resend
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:22:42 GMT
Organization: DCT Technologies, Inc.


	 I see that I'm able to post to news again, and it seems that our email
	 was screwed up this week, do those of you who sent replies about the
	 'for sale' posting, please resend. I'm sorry about this, but it seems
	 that our admin is working on some new software and munged the system
	 pretty good this time... :-)


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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: gboates@admin.acadiau.ca (GARY BOATES)
Subject: Re: Thighs burning
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:42:06 GMT

One w-surfer writes:

>>This past summer, while windsufing on relatively long reaches,
>>my thighs really started burning to the point that I could not
>>hold on anymore and crashed.

Another w-surfer writes:

Try putting your booms up an inch or two.  Try adjusting your harness lines 
too!  Number three, and probably not the culpert, mast box too far forward (
older boards '88 and earlier), footstraps too far forward or in wrong 
position ie. wave style straps trying to sail slalom style with one of the 
newer fins etc. Relax your legs thru chop - just like mogul skiing or 
downhill mtn. biking.
Depending on your tack, you should be able to straighten one or both of your 
legs while sailing - this will cause you to get air while sailing until your 
legs return, but you'll be prepared for it.

Just how tight is your wetsuit - legs can be affected similar to the biceps 
when blood is restricted to hungry muscles (actually they don't "eat" blood).


PS I am no longer a windsurfer, just a w-surfer, this due to the environment.
   This has been the worst fall for wind in the last... well ever since my 
largest sail turned into a 5.5!   The weather IS going north/south and not 
west/east.

Gary

(No fancy signatures)
From: lyndw@pogo.wv.tek.com (Lynd Wieman)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Excerises
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:37:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: pogo.13898
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville, OR.

In article <74100168@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com>, poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton) writes:
|> I think having good sails properly rigged is more important (and much
|> more fun) than building up your arms.  I used to have to quit after
|> 60-90 minutes of sailing because my arms wore out.  This year, with
|> Windwing Race sails, I typically sail for 2 or 3 hours with little
|> arm fatigue.  When a good sail is properly rigged, it will balance on
|> the harness hook with very little hand pressure, and it will stay
|> balanced (or at least close) in the gusts. 

Are you sure it's the better sails that did it, or did your jibing ability
improve at the same time?  Water starting is much harder on my arms then
sailing so when I got to the point that I made most of my jibes I was able
to sail much longer before getting tired.

In answer to the original question, if you can find a place to sail that
is waist deep where you jibe, you can sail a lot longer because you can
avoid most of the strain of water starting.  Then you don't have to worry
about building up arm strngth and eventually you start making your jibes.
Doug's beach in the Gorge is good.  Also Floras Lake in southern Oregon.
(I think the original poster was from UK so the specific places may not help
much.)  

Lynd
From: dtroup@carroll1.cc.edu (David C. Troup)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Excerises
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:21:16 GMT
Organization: DCT Technologies, Inc.

kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom) writes:


>Anyway, sailing is the best exercise.  What no wise cracks?  Ok, I found
>stairmaster, racquetball and Nautalis with some time on free weights set
>for rowing worked pretty well last year.  this year I'm trying to do
>Rollerblading for an hour Sat and Sun AM rather than stairmaster (more
>fun).

>Kirk out

	Ive found that Rock Climbing keep be in great shape for sailing. With
	the flexibility involved, finger/arm strength and endurance, and best
	of all, when it's not windy I climb. And if it rains/snows, I climb
	indoors! (built a climbing wall at a friends bike shop) Climbing is
	great 'cause like windsurfing, its an all body type of workout. Granted
	that if you *realy* get involved, the cost of ropes, shoes and other
	equipment starts to take $$ away from possible sailing gear, but thats
	the price of fun!

	And if we're all working out, lets not forget to excercise those
	antagonistic muscle groups. Thats one of the best recommended way to
	reduce the risk of injury (from what Ive heard).

	ps - Ive heard the season is getting underway down in Florida! Anyone
	care to comment on that? If any netters are going to be in the
	Tampa/Sarasota area in January, let me know. It looks like I may be
	down there for a couple of weeks. (It was that *or* snowboarding back
	here in the Midwest...what would YOU choose!?)


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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: ngs@sailor.bellcore.com (Ned Stoffel 21374)
Subject: Re: Winter Despair!!!
Reply-To: ngs@nyquist.bellcore.com
Organization: Network Technology Research Lab, Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 12:58:40 GMT

 In article <3938@wyse.wyse.com>, jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497) writes:
|> Well, just as I was beginning to think the season was coming to an end, I
|> realize It's OVER!.
|> 
|> It is now weeks since I went sailing, and the chances of wind seem pretty slim.
|> ...
|> Yikes, I don't think I can make it....... I see little windsurfers crwaling
|> up the walls!

Now you know how I feel in April when the wind season ends in NJ. It doesn't
help to read the daily nuke reports from the west coast all summer :->

Ned
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: hgray@mta.ca
Subject: Eastern Canada Report
Reply-To: hgray@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:10:21 GMT

Gary, being a fellow Eastern Canada resident, I was wondering where you 
were sailing close to Acadia University where you'd get waves that big?
Did you make the voyage to Lawrence Town?  Unlike you, we weren't hit 
with as much wind in Sackville.  It was probably a 5.5 day.  Unfortunately
we weren't given Remembrance day off;  however we did have the 2 previous days
off, but they were windless.
Harvey Gray
Mt. A Rules
From: pwalling@novell.com (Peter Walling)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re:Going Faster
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:25:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: novell.1992Nov6.192523.4385
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

** My last post didn't seem to catch, sorry if you already got this message. **

Last week, I was down in Hatteras sailing ( No wind, Nice weather :).
Anyway, Kitty Hawk Sports and North Sails gave a clinic on how to sail
faster.  The main speaker was a guy named Brad Duffy?, who is one of
the fastest speed sailors in the U.S.

I thought I would put up some of his tips (As I remembered them)
and let the net flame away.

. Have the boom as low as possible on the mast. According to Brad
  this will make it much easier to control the board and rig in
  overpowering conditions.  (I cannot remember the other reasons)
  He said all the speed sailors were doing this now ??

  I am not sure I agree with this one.  Dunkerbeck seems to always 
  have his boom at shoulder/chest level and I believe he still 
  holds the world's second fastest time.

. Keep the mast as straight or perpendicular as possible. Do not
  pull the mast to windward.  This is suppose to be alot more 
  important than "Closing the Gap".

. Harness lines should be as long as possible and only about a
  foot apart on the boom.  The arms should be just able to reach
  the boom with the shoulders rolled forward.

. As well he said that most sailors think there overpowered, when
  all they need to do is move their harness lines farther back 
  on the boom.

. Legs should be almost straight except when absorbing the bounce
  from chop.

. The mast foot should be as far back on the board as possible.


P.S. Does anyone have a copy of the thread on CARPAL TUNNEL SYNDROME (sp?)
     that ran about two or three months ago.  I didn't think I
     needed it back then ;)

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Walling (pwalling@novell.com)
Novell, Toronto Development Centre
Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: stig@stud.cs.uit.no (Stig Johansen)
Subject: Mistral and Gaastra 41 cm blade
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:31:54 GMT

I've got two new 41 cm blade fins (one Mistral and one Gaastra), but I cannot
test them because of snow and cold wether. Have any of you netters tried them
out? I have to return one of them so I would appreciate any comments. Thanks!

Arctic Surf Bums: Almost 70 degrees north:-)
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From: kenb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Gorge Season Not Over Yet
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:37:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: vice.10720
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <7522@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> wiltonh@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Wilton G Hart) writes:
>My fin stash is getting low so it is time to get a fin update.  I have heard
>lots of peple on the net talking about pointer fins but does this really make
>sense for a place like the Gorge where you do not have to go up wind very
>much?  In the past I have been using the Dill Thick fins and like them a lot.
>Are there better fins of that style today?  What fins have people tried that
>they do not like?
>                                 

I think you would be best sticking with something like the Dill
thick foil fin.  I like about a 8.5 to 8.75 wave fin for my 8'3"
Shuler.  I put a 10" Assult Wave (Rainbow) on my 8'10" Dill 
board too.  I had an 11" Dill thick foil fin on that board before I
blew out the box.  I can't stand on the new fin near as hard as the
11" fin going into a jibe.  The fin will spin out with a lot of
weight on it.

If I had an 8'6" all around Gorge board, I would have 2 fins for it.
Maybe an 8.5" for higher wind and an 9.75" for lighter conditions.

Ken "thinking more about snowboarding" Berger

p.s.  Bachelor opens Wednesday
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: clifton@blitz.eecs.nwu.edu (Chris Clifton)
Subject: Tiga Fun-Cup for sale
Summary: Complete setup $290.
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Distribution: chi
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:54:06 GMT

Tiga Fun-Cup (3 years old) $290 firm -- inexpensive extra board for
     teaching friends or light winds...
Includes sail, mast, boom, footstraps, life vest with harness.

Barely used, all parts in excellent condition.  Top has added non-slip surface.

Call John at (312)321-7543 (office) or (312)266-2673 (home) before 9:00pm.

(Responding via email won't work that well -- I'll just have to
forward it on by phone anyway...)

-Chris (clifton@eecs.nwu.edu)