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From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Re: Latest Jays News
Organization: NSSL
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:20:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.155120.7470@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.015338.18597@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> yaska@eecg.toronto.edu (Yaska Sankar) writes:

>
>>He's an offensive black hole as Valentine noted. Sure, he looks good making 
>>those diving stabs at third, but count how many *hits* go by him with his
>>rapidly declining range. Wallach will be 36 and *everything* over the the
>>past 2 seasons points to him getting worse, if that's at all possible.
>>
>
>What evidence do you have for a rapidly declining range...
>

Defensive average numbers from 1988-1991 for Wallach minus with National
League average are .085, .049, -.002, .007.  He went from near the top of
the league to being average.  Given his current rate of offensive production,
average defense isn't enough.

>>
>>They can't live with Wallach. His $3M+ salary is secondary. His playing
>>everyday is what probably cost the Expos the pennant. If they want veterans,
>>which IMHO is highly overrated, at least they should acquire or invite
>>some *useful*, inexpensive veterans. Harold Baines springs to mind, and
>>he's still available right?
>>
>
>Well, it is not clear that the Expo's have a better offensive third
>baseman yet.  As for Baines, there is no DH in the National League...

The Expos had a third baseman who produced at a slightly better rate than
Wallach in ~half the playing time last year.  He's a lot younger so he's
more likely to improve if they let him play.  His name was Bret Barberie.
The switch from Barberie to Wallach at third is another example of how
major league teams are willing to accept consistently poor performance 
(Wallach's '92 was a repeat of '91 at the plate) over an extended period
of time from a veteran when the same level of production from a young
player even for a short time is ticket to the bench or AAA.

Harold

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From: jim@math.concord.wvnet.edu (Jim Johnston)
Subject: Re: Ted Simmons must be smoking the good stuff...
Organization: Mathematics Department, Concord College
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 12:55:12 GMT

In article <Mf9wAtf0BwxdIu1Ukl@transarc.com> Ken_Ziolkowski@transarc.com writes:
>Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 17:22:49 -0500 
>From: Ken_Ziolkowski@transarc.com
>Subject: Ted Simmons must be smoking the good stuff...
>
>
>  Ted Simmons, aka "Spaceman Spliff" must be smoking
>the good stuff.
>
>  It was just announced on KDKA radio that the Pirates
>signed Alejandro "Payload" Pena to a one year deal worth
>approximately $1.35M.
>
>  Skippy and Payload, what a bullpen.
>

My view exactly!  I was thinking the same thing when I heard it on Headline 
News yesterday afternoon.  I hope it's real good stuff.  So good that we 
repeat again.  Stuff that good, though is probably illegal. :(


>  Maybe tomorrow they'll annouce that the have signed the
>one and only Jim Acker to a multi-year contract.
>
>
No, if Mike Marshall can sign a AAA contract with the Mariners, where is 
George Hendricks when we need him!
From: cej0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHARLES EDWARD JAMES)
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Subject: Re: My picks, AL/NL East
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:17:56 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I hate to dissapoint you, but there is no way that the Yankees will{ finish in
second place.  I can see that the Jays and O's will be up there, but I'm not
sure about who where, maybe the Jays can repeat? Who knows??  One thing {for
certain though.  The INDIANS will finish in at least 3rd this year.  They
haven't lost anyone and their team is just coming into their own.  The SS mess
will be cleared up.  Likely Fermin will platoon.  Baerga will once again have
a miraculous season showing the critics that last year wasn't just a career
year.  Belle is starting to learn how to control his temper more, thus he'll
be crushing more HR and have a better BA at the end of the year.  Lofton will
amaze all as he steals over 80 bases and makes his amazing plays in CF.
Alomar will be back in his ROY form again and hit about .310-.325 and be on
base for the top of the order to drive him in.

More Later

PS. Line noise sucks{!
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: Mason/Maddux trade
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:29:48 GMT
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In <18DEC199213242338@scsuc.ctstateu.edu> aboufadel@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (ABOUFADEL,E) writes:

>I read in the papers today that the Mets trades pitchers Roger Mason and Mike 
>Freitas to San Diego for pitcher Mike Maddux.

>How did the Mets acquire Mason?  Didn't they sign him as a free agent a few 
>weeks ago?  If that is the case, isn't it downright weird that they would or 
>even could trade him away like that?

Yes.  Yes.  Usually, you're not allowed to trade a player you sign until
mid-season.  I assume that this was either a special circumstance or
Mason approved the trade.

Greg
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Subject: Re: The best All-Time Team?  Indians
From: jimbo@csusb
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:36:11 PST
Organization: California State University, San Bernardino
Nntp-Posting-User: jimbo


I know I'm a little late on this, but I've been gone
from this here computer terminal and am just now
catching up.  Anyway, I'd like to add my couple cents
worth on all time teams.  Since I hail from Cleveland
my all time team, of course, will be those sentimental
favs---the TRIBE! (Who, before 1960, belive it or not,
were actually pretty good)

C    Steve O'Neill
1B   Hal Trosky
2B   Nap Lajoie
SS   Lou Boudreau
3b   Al Rosen
OF   Tris Speaker
OF   Joe Jackson (If only he'd stayed in Erie Town)
OF   Earl Averill

RHP  Cy Young
RHP  Bob Feller
RHP  Bob Lemon
RHP  Stan Coveleski
LHP  Sam Mc Dowell (always played hookie when he pitched)

RHR  Ray Narleski
LHR  Don Mossi 

            The Bench

C    Ray Fosse
IF   Ken Keltner
IF   Joe Sewell
OF   Rocky Colavito (I know others may be better, but he still is
                     an icon in Cleveland)


           "Relief"  Pitching

Herb Score
Luis Tiant
Mike Garcia
Addie Joss
Gene Beardon


Although this team would not challenge the all time Yanks or
Red Sox, they still would beat out most other A.L. clubs (-:


Tony Ardelean
Cal State University, San Bernardino

Of course I'm entitled to my own opinion---aren't I?
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Is there a Marlins mailing list out there ?  If so how do I join ?

If not, is there someone out there who could set up and maintain such
a list ?

Oz
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Baseball Salaries
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:47:28 GMT

In article <92346.144640UD156844@NDSUVM1.BITNET> <UD156844@NDSUVM1.BITNET> writes:
>I've been real interested in the rise in baseball salaries.  Does anyone
>know of any publications which post salaries of all Major League players?
>I've looked at several baseball stat books but they never seem to include
>their salaries.  I've been told that Baseball Weekley has an issue which
>posts salaries, is it true?

I know that the New York Times lists all the salaries at the beginning of
the season.
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ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Subject: Re: Anti-Trust and Baseball
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 22:20:08 GMT

v085f2wd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore J Kury) writes:

>have no true farm systems and have to compete with other teams for players
>not in their league, so this would seem to make sense. This doesn't explain
>the NHL farm system, however.

The NHL farm systems work by contract.  For instance, around here, the
Peoria Rivermen are the primary farm team for the St. Louis Blues and they
also carry players for the New York Islanders.  Peoria's contract is up
this year, and there is some speculation as to what's going to happen.
From what little I know, NHL farm teams seldom split from their parent
partners unless the NHL team really screws around with them.  I figure the
Rivermen's relationship with the Blues will continue.

However, for most teams, the NHL only has one level of farm teams, while
MLB has dozens of farm teams.  The St. Louis Cardinals have at least four
farm teams, and I don't know what would happen to that after an exemption
withdrawal.  On the other hand, there are numerous minor hockey leagues
that act as a farm system with NHL rights being negotiated on a player-by-
player basis.  It could end up being a real mess for baseball, actually.


>I believe that NBA, NFL, and NHL teams can move their franchises anywhere
>they want, though. This is want Tampa feels should happen. The owners
>could block the move because of the exemption.

It's a risk that I think MLB should take.  The risk is really whether or
not a team owner cares about the game.  For instance, the football
Cardinals and the Colts left largely out of the greed of the ownership.  I
didn't get this impression with Bob Lurie and the Giants.  Of course, being
a Tampa sports fan, my view is somewhat biased. =-)

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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: All-Time Oakland A's Team
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:27:25 GMT

In article <838@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
>The Oakland All-Time team would be something like
>
>	2B	Green (feh)

Joe Morgan put in a year at second for Oakland.  

>	LF	Henderson
>	CF	Dw. Murphy
>	RF	Reggie

Hmmm.  I'd try to get Canseco in there somehow.  Maybe move Henderson
to center.  Or at least DH Jose.

>	DH	Joe Rudi/Harold Baines/Dave Henderson

I mean, if you're going to put Baines in for his 2.2 seasons, one of which
was just plain miserable, you're including him for his performance with
the White Sox, so you might as well play Morgan at second then.

>	SP	Vida Blue
>	SP	Catfish Hunter
>	SP	Dave Stewart
>	SP	Ken Holtzman

Sheesh, Billy Martin really did decimate his pitching staff, didn't he?
The 1980-81 A's had really amazing starting pitching, and they all blew
their arms out.
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From: wwedward@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Wayne Edwards 8-))
Subject: Re: JAYS KICK BRAVES JAYS KICK BRAVES JAYS KICK BRAVES JAYS KICK BRAVES
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:55:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.223907.17687@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, gpeel@mta.ca writes:
> In article <Yf_XsRG00WALI1snIr@andrew.cmu.edu>, kr2e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ken Rose) writes:
> >I feel completely humiliated.  I guess Toronto's victory with all their
> >great Canadian players is really getting to me.  Yeah, that's the ticket.
> >
> >                                                     Ken "Mr."Rose
> 
> 
> 	"Mr. Rose", wether the players on the Jay's team are Canadian or not
> is not the issue. The real issue in my opinion is that us "Canukers" finally
> beat you Americans at your own game.
> 
> 							GREG PEEL
>   
In what way?  As far as players go, the point has been proven time after time 
after goddamn time(!!), there were no Canadians on the Jays roster that won 
the WS!  This "US vs THEM" thing that people made the WS into is really 
ludicrous!  This really does not show any sort of baseball superiority of 
"US" over "THEM" just because there is no significant Canadian representation in 
the sport.  Leave it up to the Olympics or a truly international "World Series"
to decide who really is the best.

The only thing Canadians CAN brag about is how, over the last 10 years, a Canadian
team has year in and year out been one of the best in baseball and is known as one
of the most professional run, classy organizations existing!  

Everytime a Canadian spouts off some comment on how we beat Americans at their 
own game, I reel in disgust.  Canadians have such an inferiority complex when it
comes to Americans that I really wish somebody would come along and kill us all 
just to put us out of our miseries!  


Wayne
From: sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: All-Time Astros
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:49:34 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
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>C:  Joe Ferguson, Alan Ashby
>1b: Glenn Davis 
>2b: Joe Morgan
>ss: Dickie Thon

how about raphael landestoy.   NOT.  he would be on my list of all-time
lastros, if there was one, ever since those games in crunch time in 1980.
whew, that boy could choke under pressure.  seriously, how about rader?

>3b: Toughie.  Either Art Howe or Phil Garner.
>cf: Cesar Cedeno

my personal all-time favorite.

>lf: Jose Cruuuuuuuuuuzzzz.

number two.

>rf: Rusty Staub
>of-1b: Bob Watson

the bespectacled one, oh those were the days.

>sp: Nolan Ryan, JR Richard, Mike Scott, Bob Niekro. 

jrr.  could have been quite possibly the pitcher of the 80s.  it's too
bad, that whole incident.

>rp: Joe Sambito, Dave Smith.
>Chronicler: Jim Bouton.
>Manager: Blech.  Do I have to choose one?  Definitely bring Tal Smith into
>the front office.

art's my favorite, probably since he seems to be a great guy and he's gone
through some really tough times, but i know a nice guy doesn't always a great
coach make.  we'll see finally what he can do with a good (almost?) team.
i'm optimistic.

>Uniform: Rainbow-stripes with orange hats, circa late 1970's.  :)

embarassing, watching those old clips, probably 'cause as a kid i liked
them, and then had to wear one as a waiter working at a restaurant just
outside of the astrodomain on game days.  blech.


sj		"The more people I meet, the more I like my dog" - ts
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
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Subject: Giants OF 2/3 set...
Date: 13 Dec 92 20:00:58 GMT
Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego



OK, so Bonds is in LF, Dave Martinez in CF.  Will Lewis go away?
Who will play right; Hosey?  Mark Leonard? Wood?

Any clues?

the division should be fun this year - most teams have improved 
and LA is likely to be healthier.

Dave
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From: robh@ntmtv.UUCP (Robert Hendriks)
Subject: Re: Trivia Question
Reply-To: robh@ntmtv.UUCP (Robert Hendriks)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:04:47 GMT

In article <BzB8Mw.27x@mach1.wlu.ca> lars4752@mach1.wlu.ca (Bradley Larsen u) writes:
>Name the eight ways by which a batter can reach first base.
>
THE eight ways of reaching base safely (first or otherwise) are:

1. walk
2. hit
3. hit by pitch
4. wild pitch on third strike with batter beating the ball to first
5. fielders choice
6. error
7. catchers interference
8. player leaving the field while time is in

Rob Hendriks
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From: yankees@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Kenneth M Gelfand)
Subject: Re: All-Henderson Team;All-Jewish Team
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:19:00 GMT

In article <BzB9I9.H7G@cs.uiuc.edu>, epstein@cs.uiuc.edu writes...
>In <15DEC92.12341126@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
> 
>>Ted Frank writes:
>>
>>>How about an all-Jewish team?
>>> 
>>>C: Moe Berg
>>>1B: Hank Greenberg
>>>2B: Rod Carew
>>>SS:
	I think, I'm not sure about this, that Andy Stankiewicz of the
Yankees is Jewish.  I only think this because some moron called WFAN
and said that he was a lousy recruit from the synagouge leagues.


>>>3B:
>>>OF: John Lowenstein
>>>OF:
>>>OF:
>>>P: Sandy Koufax
>>>P: Steve Stone
>>>P: Ken Holtzmann
>>> 
>>>There have got to be others, that's just off the top of my head.
> 


	I seem to recall that Don Mossi, a reliever of "before my time"
fame, was also Jewish.  Is this true?

	How about Al Weis of the 1969 Mets?


							Kenny G

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From: yankees@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Kenneth M Gelfand)
Subject: Re: ward to atlant
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 20:59:00 GMT

In article <800.2B31753C@gisatl.FIDONET.ORG>, deitch@gisatl.FIDONET.ORG (David Deitch) writes...
>Dateline Wed, 16/Dec92 03:39.
>In , UUCP of 2r73bryantm@vms.csd.mu.edu wrote to All at 1:133/411,
> 
>Which opens up a good question...
> 
>How many players have started their careers with a team, been traded, then later in their career traded back?
> 
>          David Deitch, (GIS) Atlanta


	Off the top of my head, I can think of a few:

Hubie Brooks   Mets
Bobby Murcer   Yanks
Ron Hassey     Yanks (and White Sox?)
Darren Reed    Mets
Steve Balboni  Yankees
Harry Chiti    didn't he get traded for himself?
Eric Plunk     Yankees
Rickey Henderson A's
	
	There are other guys like Cone who didn't get traded back to their
original organization, but ended up there.




							Kenny G 
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From: dietz@parody.Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz)
Subject: Anti-Trust and Baseball
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:18:08 GMT

In the last year or so, I have been seeing/hearing/reading a lot of 
threats thrown at Major League Baseball, mostly having to do with 
the Anti-Trust exemption.  When the Nintendo group made the offer for
the Mariners, the local politicians did a great deal of chest thumping
about sueing MLB if the offer was not accepted.  Whether that did any
good is probably a moot point.  However, I have been wondering what 
benefit does MLB garner from having the "anti-trust exemption"?  I 
think that Fay-boy Vincent stated in front of Congress (yesterday?) 
that he felt the exemption was not of any value anymore.  

Does anyone have ideas on what would be different if MLB lost this 
exemption?  The NFL and NBA do not have this exemption.  Does this 
mean they operate at a disadvantage to MLB? 

Tampa Bay officials said they would challenge the exemption in court.  Will
this get them a team?  Even if they win?  

My suspicion is that the exemption is really a red herring to confuse 
the issue of how MLB franchises should be treated.  I have a feeling
that if the exemption was removed, nothing Earth shattering would happen.
Opinions?

Kent Dietz
Twins in '93
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Subject: Baseball Salaries
From: <UD156844@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:46:40 CST
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

I've been real interested in the rise in baseball salaries.  Does anyone
know of any publications which post salaries of all Major League players?
I've looked at several baseball stat books but they never seem to include
their salaries.  I've been told that Baseball Weekley has an issue which
posts salaries, is it true?


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From: B7XS@MUSICT.MCGILL.CA (B7XS000)
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Subject: EXPOS :TEAM TO BEAT IN THE EAST
Date: 20 Dec 92 18:12:32 GMT
Organization: McGill University

Being from Montreal and of course a diehard Expos fan it is very
hard for me to understand why the Expos don't get the recognition
that they so obviously deserve. Look, when was the the last time you
saw an Expo on the the cover of Sports Illustrated.

The Expos are deffinetly the team to beat in '93. Unarguably the
Expos have the best defense and aswell as one of the best pitching
rotations in the majors.

Jonathon
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