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From: Student Pugwash USA <uspugwash@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.org.pugwash
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:58 PST
Subject: Re: *Tough Questions-Winter 93 News
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TOUGH QUESTIONS - WINTER 1993

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PUGWASH CONFERENCES ON SCIENCE AND WORLD AFFAIRS UPDATE

     The first Pugwash Workshop on `Social Tensions and Armed 
Conflicts:  Ethnic and Other Aspects`  was held in Pugwash, Nova 
Scotia, Canada, August 20-22, 1992.  Twenty specialists from 
nine countries met  to examine the new global threats posed by 
ethnic conflicts in the aftermath of the Cold War.  This is 
especially evident in the former Soviet Union and Yugoslav 
Republic where, as new states emerge and struggle to acquire au-
tonomy after years of oppression, violence threatens to under-
mine any hopes for peace and democracy. The participants con-
cluded that in order to reduce the global threats of ethnic con-
flict it will be necessary first to prevent the conflicts from 
erupting into violence.  Second, the new international dimen-
sions of ethnic and cultural conflicts may require a new defini-
tion of the concept of sove

     Nearly 300 renowned scientists, diplomats, and academicians 
from around the world came together in Berlin, Germany, for the 
42nd Pugwash Conference on Science and World Affairs.  The 
Conference, entitled Shaping Our Common Future:  Dangers and 
Opportunities, was held during the week of September 11-17, 
1992, and represented a significant departure from previous 
Pugwash Conferences.  In addition to the `traditional` Pugwash 
objectives of nuclear disarmament, worldwide restructuring of 
the military, and global arms transfers, Conference working 
groups also addressed other, less conventional threats to inter-
national security, including population and migration, economic 
disparity, and environmental degradation.
reignty and a consequent reformation of the UN.  Finally, in a 
world where the traditional nation-state is caught between the 
conflicting forces of global integration and ethnic separatism, 
it is important to foster a new global consciousness among peo-
ple.
From: wolfe@wolves.Durham.NC.US (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Nomenclature./Men are Not witches!
Date: 24 Dec 92 05:01:31 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
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<1992Dec22.172303.0200548@locus.com> lowell@locus.com (Lowell Morrison) writes:
>And of course, Warlock may well be the proper term for some of us.  I for 
>example was babtized (after one of those Billy Grahm [cracker] crusades),
>am a slowly become a practicing pagan and witch.  Warlock fits Uncle Wolf
>to a "T", except that I feel that Christianity has Betrayed Me rather than
>the reverse.
>--Lowell Morrison
>--Uncle Wolf

Here is another Wolfe chiming in to howl along with the chorus of folks
saying that labels are best when selected for oneself!

I am depressingly amazed at the number of (otherwise) intelligent folks
who don't bother to do the basic research necessary to understand what
they are getting into when they pick up a new avocation.

No matter what you are going to do, there are plenty of basic
introductory books (you know, those things with words printed on paper!)
that provide the history and basic vocabulary for the topic.

Any one of a number of the "standard" works (Adler, Drawing Down the
Moon;  Starhawk, The Spiral Dance; etc....) covers the basic vocabulary.

				Wolfe
-- 
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wolfe@wolves.durham.nc.us			[with Duke University! Idiots!]
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: PAGAN, was You should be a Christian because (30 words max):
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:11:00 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <1hmddoINN33l@shelley.u.washington.edu> mimir@hardy.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
>In article <725482216.AA07890@urchin.fidonet.org> Sirbyte'@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Sirbyte') writes:
<Metal, and message, MUNCHing Moon mice>>
> Well, GEE, I guess we can just say that Wicca means crystal using
>survivors from Atlantis that live on Venus. Can you you come up for a
>reference that says I'm wrong? After all, we have to have an open mind...
>
*WoW* You've Found Me Out! (It's Mars, btw; Venus is too nasty.) At least
you haven't realized that our leaders are a secret cabal of Canadians....

> Be careful your mind isn't so open that it falls out.
>
(I have *not* lost my mind, it's backed up on ... one of those disks....)

>>-The voice of a true Magickian is an awe ispiring thing to behold-
>
> Maybe you should find this voice then.
>
AWWWWWWWW

	mark, who can't stand it all anymore (argument 3.1)
From: lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Here I am .... *yea* !!!!!
Date: 28 Dec 1992 22:58 CST
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec28.184333.9083@radian.uucp>, markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes...
>In article <23DEC199223235301@elroy.uh.edu> lib1p@elroy.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>>Well guys, here I am, at home, with my 'puter and modem, talking on alt.pagan.
>>8)  8)  8)  8)
>>I guess y'all will be hearing my big mouth more often from now on.
>>
>>(Is that a groan I hear our there?)
>>
>>BB with all my love,
>>Tammy the contented
>>
>No groans. Though you'd better be careful, I'm old enough to remember the
>Tammy movies....
> 
>	mark

Guess what my parents named me after....close...it was the song Tammy from
the Tammy movies.  My SO sings it to me sometimes with a slight change.
He says Tammy my love instead of Tammy's in love.  Quite the romantic he
is.....wouldn't trade him for the world.

Tammy and the Electrician

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Nomenclature./Men are Not witches!
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:39:24 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <1992Dec18.212725.23970@athena.cs.uga.edu> tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda) writes:
>In article <BzF972.Dtv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) writes:
>>
>>I am a Witch, that is, I am a magic-worker.  Whether anyone before Gerald
>>Gardner ever used the word Witch for religious purposes, I do not know, and
>>it really doesn't matter to me.  Wicca is my religion, and one of the most
>>fundamental principles of Wicca is that magic is available to everyone.  To
>>call myself anything but Witch would make me feel that I was hiding from the
>>power implicit in the word Witch.  
>>
>>Please note, there are pagans who work magic who are not Witches, but they are
>>in different strands of paganism than I am.  
>
>Okay, let's clear the air on this one.  Since when were men called witches? 
>The correct terminology for a man who endeavors to engage in magical
>practices is "Warlock".  The more gender nuetral term would be
>"Necromancer".  If I practiced magic, I surely wouldn't want to be called a
>witch. 
>
Sorry! Wrong answer! If you're going to stick your nose in, at least read
a little (other than supermarket newspapers & your local televangelists), 
please. 

Witch is a non-gender term (try looking up the origin of the word). Warlock
translates as "oathbreaker", from one of the Norse languages. Necromancer
is one who practices magic that deals with the dead (necro). Sorry, guy.
Do you need a faq? (Btw, for anyone else, (like those working on the FAQ,
hint, hint) I have a copy of the one Eric posted a few months ago (on his own)).

	mark
From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
Subject: I loved this line
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:50:32 GMT
Summary: funny
Keywords: movie

I happened to catch a good movie the other day and just wanted to
share a funny line with some people I thought would appreciate it.

The movie was `The Last of his Tribe' ( I think.. not sure of the title )
which was about a native american who was `discovered' in the wilderness
and found to be the last member of a tribe which had been thought to
be extinct. He was whipped off to San Francisco to be `studied' by the
anthropologists. As he became accustomed to his environment, he was
invited to observe an appendectomy in the operating room. He later asked
the professor " If you were cut open when you were sleeping, wouldn't
you wake up?" The professor responds to explain anethesia by saying
"It's a different kind of sleep". Ishi, the native says, " How many
kinds of sleep do white men have ? "

Sorry if anyone finds this offensive.. I thought it was funny.
Sad movie overall, but well done. I recommend it.

Blessings
al

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: The Antiquity of "Christmas"
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:41:40 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <Po5awB2w165w@freeside.com> popec@freeside.com (PopeC) writes:
<MUNCH!>
>Call it the 'Solstice' and be done with it.  Actually I have seen 
>Solctice used more and more.  I have even heard rumors of Solstice Cards 
>being available here and there.  This term is more accurate, anyway, of 

Here & there? Rumors? I send mine out every year; this year, it was even
printed on the front of the card, along with the design (ok, ok, so I
did the linoleum block myself; you could, too, if you wanted, or design
them on your machine, print them out & copy them; why put up with the
garbage on commercial cards?).

	mark

Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: meeting Corun
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:50:51 GMT

In article <2B41E035.21649@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>So, I finally have a face to attach to the glowing words that spring up
>at me at a keystroke, and it's Corun Macanndra's face.  What a sweetie.
>             [.........]
>Corun, you're a doll!
>
>Blessings,
>Janis  
>
Interestingly enough, I met Corun that very evening (or maybe the day
after)...  He and I honored the Gods together :)  (We did a Yule
Circle together with several mutual friends.)  I must agree with
Janis; you're a doll, Corun!  And a great singer/storyteller! :)

Bb!
Angela

-- 
**************************  angelai@wam.umd.edu  ****************************
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: drake+@cs.cmu.edu (Drake)
Subject: Types of Magic
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 08:29:47 GMT

>BA> I divide magic into four major Realms (each of which has multiple
>BA> divisions and subdivisions): Mentalism, Naturalism, Spiritualism, and
>BA> Vitalism.

*deleted*

>By the way - what would you put in the category of vitalism? I'm not
>quite sure how you would define that. Maybe you could post an overview
>about how you would divide the kinds of magick. I'd be very interested.

Same here; I got the first three - even used the same names for the first
two (more or less), but made what is called here Spiritualism into what I 
call Deity Magick.  But Vitalism?  I missed the original post, so I haven't
the foggiest what is meant here...I suspect that I'd include it with either
Mentalism or Natural Magick.

-- 
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From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Social inhibitions to environmental change
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 18:44:43 -0500
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation
Distribution: world
Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
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casspa@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Paul Cass) writes:
> Can someone kindly tell me why cats insist on standing on the keyboard 
> and presenting their fanny while you are trying to type.  This cat has a 
> very limited vocabulary consisting of "hold me", "feed me" "let me out", 
> and "see my butt".

Chuckle.  That just means it likes you.  Basic mammalian behavior.

>  Come to think of it I have known a number of people 
> with the same general view of life. 

Ayup.



Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation


Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: thorfinn@wixer.cactus.org (Thorfinn Einarsson)
Subject: Re: Documented Evidence
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 23:55:27 GMT

Greetings to the Seekers!

>SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen) writes:
>Some clearly were: such traditions of witchcraft have been
>studied by 20th-century folklorists in the Ozarks and among the
>Pennsylvania Germans (Hexerei).

In Edred Thorsson's *Northern Magic*, chapter 9 deals with "Operant
Hexology" and Appendix C is "On the Construction of Hex Signs".
In his bibliography, he cites:

Fogel, Edwin M. *Beliefs and Superstitions of the Pennsylvania Germans*.
   Philadelphia: American Germanica Press, 1915.

Hohman, John George. *Der lange verborgene Freund*. Reading: PA.
   (Numerous reprints and translations)

Lewis, Arthur H. *Hex*. New York: Trident, 1969.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Thorfinn Einarsson =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
\/            Science: I'll believe it when I see it.             \/
/\            Religion: I'll see it when I believe it.            /\
=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Soma is NOT a mushroom!" ---Edgar Polome' =-=-=-=-=-=
From: pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: I loved this line
Date: 23 Dec 1992 19:08:29 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
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Keywords: movie

In article <Bzq489.MFM@encore.com> aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich) writes:
>
>The movie was `The Last of his Tribe' ( I think.. not sure of the title )
>which was about a native american who was `discovered' in the wilderness
  [stuff deleted]   Ishi, the native says, " How many
>kinds of sleep do white men have ? "


I read a book about Ishi, entitled simply "Ishi".  It was very
enlightening, and I would recommend it.  It's a true story about a
Native American man who was in fact the last member of his tribe, and
he was introduced to "civilization" with some strange consequences.
It includes many photographs of Ishi as well.

-sarah pallas


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From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: The meaning of "pagan"
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:17:31 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
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Drake, there is no such thing as THE Christian Bible.  It's as basic as that.
The closest you can get are the various Bibles of ALL the different traditions
that call themselves Christian, and they differ from one another in more ways
than a naive Christian might think.  --  Despite my own non-Christian back-
ground, I have spent my entire life as a scholar at a major university re-
searching and teaching these matters, and I stand ready to back this statement
with as much scholarship as you require.  En garde??

Robert Mathiesen, Brown Universoty, SL500000@BROWNVM
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,talk.religion.misc
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Re: The Pagan Thing, again
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:01:10 GMT

pyotr@halcyon.com (Peter D. Hampe) writes:
] drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
] 
] >ps: when I am in the bush, I am a pagan. When I am home,
] >my housemate complains if I light a fire in the living 
] >room to make dinner.... something about they have these
] >new fangeld rooms with stuff that does it..... 
]      ^^^^^^^
] 'fanegeld'? 'FANEGELD'!  Whatever happened to the DaneGeld?
] its 'newefangel' frm OE 'fangen' to seize.

Oh Like for Sure Dude!!!!

Just Grab out some ModernIsm like OE
and think that you can impress your friends.....


ciao
drieux

ps: you missed out on the grand drama of the debate
between ubiquious v. ubiquitos and the fact that the
former has an earlier citation date than the later in
the OED, albeit the theological implications are most
interesting as suggesting a clear case of Transubstatiationalist
Deviationalism, if you know what I mean....


-- 
Modern Day Problems:

This is Not a .sigfile addendum to the Post.
You are just reading beyond the edge.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Space, the final frontier
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:33:50 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <1992Dec29.164215.19718@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
>
>Oh, why not join this happy mutual grilling?
>
>One item that keeps popping up in this thread is the idea of
>getting cheap, clean electricity from orbiting power satellites.
>
>Not to be a spoilsport, but . . .
>
>What power density is necessary to transfer, say, 25% of North
>America's power needs from orbiting satellites to Earth-based
>power receivers?
>
>What frequencies are most efficient for power transfers from 
>orbit to the Earth's surface?

To give semi-answers to the first two, about 10 years ago I heard a
speaker from the Space Sciences Institute (a not-for-profit org), who
said that a *number* of studies, incl. environmental impact statements,
had been done on this. They were talking of microwaves, and braodcasting
to desert receivers, and a power density of 6W/meter^2. Yes, I said 6 *watts*
per square meter (sorry not enough to heat water for coffee, much less fry
buzzards & other locals).
>
>How much microwave radiation does that expose people to?
>
>How does that compare with current microwave exposure levels?
>
>Based on our current understanding of the effects of microwave
>radiation on human beings, what health hazards would this pose?
>
>What level of health hazard would you consider acceptable?
>
And how would it compare with the health risks posed by the "conventional"
power sources (gases from coal or nat. gas, radiation from nuclear)?
>
	mark
From: alizard@pil
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Nomenclature./Men are Not witches!
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 02:36:21 PST

Re: Re: Nomenclature./Men are Not witches!
 
> From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
> Newsgroups: alt.pagan
> Subject: Re: Nomenclature./Men are Not witches!
> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:27:25 GMT
> Okay, let's clear the air on this one.  Since when were men called witches? 
> The correct terminology for a man who endeavors to engage in magical
> practices is "Warlock".  The more gender nuetral term would be
> "Necromancer".  If I practiced magic, I surely wouldn't want to be called a
> witch. 
> Regards,
> Ted K.

Do you post about the flat earth to sci.physics as well? You don't know
what you are talking about. If you have nothing but ignorance to bring to
this newsgroup, I suggest you shut up and learn something. Or you can try
alt.magick, where people have even less patience with the stupid. 

speaking as a male witch
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From: knighton@world.std.com (Gwen Knighton)
Subject: CUUP
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:12:42 GMT


I'm interested in finding out more about the Circle of Unitarian Universalist
Pagans. Any information would be appreciated.


Gwen Knighton          knighton@world.std.com         (harpist for hire)
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  When you have killed, and your bowl it is spilled, and your shoes are
        clean outworn,
  Back you will speed, for all that you need, to Oak and Ash and Thorn!
                        --Rudyard Kipling
From: lib1p@jane.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Why the Cross?
Summary: Meanings of and thought about the symbol 'Cross'
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:21:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Organization: University of Houston
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1hp5e0INNg2t@unidui.uni-duisburg.de>, hz225wu@unidui.UUCP (Micaela "Stayka" Pantke) writes...
>Hi there - Stayka is here!
> 
>During Xmas time something strange occured to me: I saw a Cross.
>Well, that might not be too strange considering the fact that it's
>one of the Holy Symbols of Xianity - but this time I wondered - 
>why in Zandru's Hells do they WORSHIP it? 
> 
>In my eyes the Cross is nothing else than the murdering instrument
>which killed the Xian Messiah Jesus Christ. And then I kept on 
>wondering... What would have happened if Jesus would have been shot 
>down with a rifle? Would the rifle have become a Holy Symbol of
>Xianity?  
> 

In the early days of Xtianity the cross was not worshipped.  In fact
it was a point of shame that their Christ was crucified.  It was a
social stygma to be associated with someone who was crucified.  And
it was a way of vilifying (sp) the person who was sentenced to death.

The early symbol of Xtianity was the fish, like is becomming popular 
today.  However, just a couple of centuries later, the church was 
attempting to convert pagan peoples in various parts of the world.
They used the method of taking over the pagan places of worship and
holidays and re-making them into Xtian places of worship and holidays.

As I have been told, the cross was an ancient pagan symbol pre-dating
Christ.  It was probably adopted because society no longer had such 
strong stygmatisms towards it and it was easy to convert it over.

NO...I don't have verifiable proof of this.  I do have verifiable
proof of the conversion process.  Just keep in mind Occam's Razor
would ya, just for once.....


Tammy the philosopher
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