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From: wendy@sundown.mil.wi.us (Wendy)
Date: 7 Jan 93 05:50:56 GMT
Subject: Well, I'm back
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
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Well eveyone, I'm back after a short absence. Alot of new faces here.
Nice to see you all.

I see my sister Celeste has been dubed the local guru. She's quite
knowledgeable on the subject and is a really wonderful person. I'm
sure she appreciates the gesture.

For those that are new, I'm a pre-op TS. I have been part of a gender
transition program for about 3 months and have a ways to go before I
live full time. I will probable start on hormones in a couple of months.
I have been a TS since as far back as I can remember (about 7) and I'm
44 now.

What ever happened to the FAQ ??? and the group charter ???? I volunteered
to help put together both, but have been away for the last 3 weeks. Has
anyone started putting them together, or should I??? 

For those confused by the sister reference, Celeste and I are adopted
sisters of each other. It's really nice having a caring sister like her.
Personally, I think each TS should have another TS sister. You know, a
sister is one with whom you can share your secrets!!!

Anyways, I've rambled on enough. If I can answer any questions, don't
hesitate to email me or post a question here. 

Love to you all,

Wendy
From: rsvanc00@nx06.mik.uky.edu (Randolph S. Vance)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Donahue show - 1-5-93
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:21:01 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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Who here was watching the Donahue show today? I was only able to catch
the last 15 minutes, but they had several female impersonators on and
they were telling all about their professions as go-go dancers, phone
sex operators, a hermaphrodite cheerleader who seemed to be fielding
the most questions about her life, and a LUSCIOUS LOOKING brunette
who works as a rock and roll singer in nightclubs. As Wayne Campbell
would say, SHA-WING!

Anyway, I was only able to catch the last 15 minutes as I said. Did anyone
here catch the same program as I did? I wish someone here was able to tape it.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

:)

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From: an4258@anon.penet.fi (dances-with-aardvarks.)
Subject: Re: Shopping 
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:17:59 GMT

Valerie here.

In message <1993Jan5.194351.13648@fuug.fi>,
an4696@anon.penet.fi (sie who needs a nick) writes:
>Anyone know of any specialty shops in the San Francisco, San Jose, or
>the SF South Bay area?  I've heard California is more open about this
>kind of thing. I will be traveling there soon.  It might be
>fun to do some shopping there!

You can go to a clothes store that specifically caters to drag queens, if
you like (for the comradery, if nothing else) but, from what I hear,
their merchandise is more expensive than for the same stuff at other
stores.

For leather and latex, try Stormy Leather in San Francisco (I don't have
the address/phone with me; use Information).  I bought a great leather
miniskirt there; they don't at all care who tries on what clothes.

In general, I doubt that any retailer in San Francisco would have a
problem with you trying/buying women's clothes (with the possible
exception of an over-priced glitzy Union Square women's store).  San Jose
is more conservative, but I still think getting thrown out is likely.

Shopping depends mostly on your attitude.  Go in with confidence (but not
nervous arrogance) and look for what you want, just like you belong
there.  If a sales person offers to help, graciously accept it.  Don't
get caught oggling anyone else in the dressing rooms.  You'll do fine.

I tryed on and bought women's pants at The Gap and Contempo at Valley Fair
in San Jose without anyone blinking.  If you want personal attention at a
makeup counter, I can give you the name/number of a woman who happily
worked with me at the Clinique counter at the Macy's in the same mall.
E-mail me for details.

>I've also heard of Michael Salem's Boutine (PO Box 1781 FDR Station,
>NY, NY 10150) which is also supposed to have sales on them). Don't
>know if they have a store you can go to in NY.
>Has any reader had any experiences dealing with either of these two
>establishments? Are they reputable? Is their merchandize any good?
>over priced?

Michael Salem is horrendously over-priced.  I also heard that they
are not good about handling returns, either.  Buying clothes and shoes
from a TV mail-order house gets you the worst of both worlds: high
prices and no personal service.

Valerie/dances-with-aardvarks                     an1845@anon.penet.fi
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From: jessica@wrs.com (Jessica Hart)
Subject: "The Crying Game"
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:50:37 GMT


I think maybe my previous post didn't get out on this subject?

Any reactions to the movie "The Crying Game" from members of this
newsgroup? My husband and I saw it (based on the universal media
hoopla, "must see," and recommendations of all our friends) and
were rather disappointed! The much touted "plot twists and turns"
turned out to be just one twist, and even that was not allowed
to develop very far.

I guess we were less surprised by this "twist" than the rest of
the USA and everyone we know. We did not find it sufficient
justification for calling the movie a "must see" etc. although
it was nice to see something a bit different for once.

I am continuing the "media" collusion in not revealing "the twist".
Why??? Oh well, why spoil a movie for anyone who hasn't seen it;
this movie or any other.

Reactions from others here who've seen the movie?
From: russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.transgendered
Subject: Re: Bogus theories... (Discovery, Jan '93)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 18:30:51 -0600
Organization: Great Northern Hotel
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In article <93007.004830IO20557@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Straight into darkness <IO20557@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>Another thought is that its no more a matter of wrong body/brain than it
>is for bondage fans. I mean, you enjoy it... you do it, same rationale
>applies to anyone else who finds something sexually exciting other than
>good ole vanilla sex.

Of course the problem is that many of the folks who feel they're in
the wrong body do NOT enjoy it...

>I think its just sad that society dictates how everyone must look and act,
>you cant c-dress publicly without being stigmatized just as I cant have
>that red mohawk I always wanted (i dont cd myself...). Actually, I dressed
>however I wanted (combat boots, tatoos, etc) for the first 4 yrs of
>college but now interviews are coming and ive got to bludgeon myself into

Take heart; once you've got a job,  you may find that you can start
nonstandardizing yourself, whether it be crossdressing or a mohawk
or whatever.  A boss might not hire someone who's nonstandard, but
once they've hired you and see that you can work, they may not care
so much about appearance.  I've appeared at work with black fingernails
and lipstick a few times now with no job repercussions, even though
if I'd gone to the initial interview like that it would certainly
have made them less likely to hire me.

Russ
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From: an4258@anon.penet.fi (dances-with-aardvarks.)
Subject: Re: Support, and anonymity 
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:33:34 GMT

Valerie here.

In message <1in6k2INNdok@im4u.cs.utexas.edu>, 
russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams) writes:
>This newsgroup has the highest proportion of anonymous posts I've
>ever seen.  Is this topic more volatile than alt.sex.bondage, for
>instance?  It's curious that there's apparently more social stigma
>to crossdressing than consensual flogging, for example.  (Not
>that either should have a stigma, of course...)  I'm not criticising,
>but I am curious: folks who do public crossdressing, what
>motivates you to post anonymously?  I can understand people who
>are not "out", even to friends or lovers, but if you're already
>"out", why use an anonymous service?  The more "real" people who
>visibly discuss these issues, the sooner the political change of
>which Gwen wrote so eloquently may come about, right?

Your point is well taken, Russ.  I use the anon service out of respect for
my esso who has business contacts on the net who know that I am her
companion but really don't know anything else about me.  After hanging
around me in person for a while, it usually becomes apparent to folks that
I am transgendered, bi, and a pervert to boot--and my esso has no problem
with that.  We just figure it's prudent to allow that information to come
out naturally in a face-to-face social setting, or in a
controlled-distribution/private e-mail rather than surprising them with it
across public usenet.  It's more an issue of right-time/right-place
introduction than hiding.

Oh, boy.  Here we go for the ten zillionth time with anon justification
and bashing.  Let's try to keep the flames to a bare minimum, okay?  It
is, indeed, interesting to see WHY people choose to be pseudo-anonymous in
certain situations, but in no case should anyone be criticized for it (I
realize that YOU were not criticizing, Russ--I'm just anticipating the
future of this thread.  Ack.).

Valerie/dances-with-aardvarks                      an1845@anon.penet.fi
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From: an4999@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: Bogus theories... (Discovery, Jan '93)
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:51:39 GMT


	From my previos post, paragraph 2 .... in response


				   
	Seems I've stumbled on a bit of [apparent] nonsense..... I meerly 
	found it an interesting conjecture and didn't expect some of the 
	vociferous comments that followed. Oh well. Let's just drop it,
 	since I conclude that no one knows 'exactly' what happens with all
	pyschosexual occurances, or anything else for that matter. If
	so, then that person is not being honest.

	Love,
	  Sasha


P.S.	all points taken, and no offense received or offered
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From: krh9895@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.R. Hall )
Subject: Re: Well, I'm back
Originator: krh9895@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:37:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.030201.1301@vela.acs.oakland.edu> w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu writes:
>In article <929006@sundown.mil.wi.us>, wendy@sundown.mil.wi.us (Wendy) writes:
>
>>For those that are new, I'm a pre-op TS. I have been part of a gender
>>transition program for about 3 months and have a ways to go before I
>>live full time. I will probable start on hormones in a couple of months.
>>I have been a TS since as far back as I can remember (about 7) and I'm
>>44 now.
>
>Pleaze keep us posted, or keep me posted if its not stuff appropriate for
>"broadcasting".  I'm curious as to what I'm in for.
>

yes, keep me posted as well.  i have more than a passing interest...  :)


>
>A "big sister/little sister" program would probably help in ways clinical
>facilities can't begin to.  Unfortunately gender congruity tends to be a
>process of elimination, so there would probably be 19 little sisters for every
>alumna.  I did have an opportunity to meet one of our TRANSGEN (mailing list)
>sisters in person over the hollidays.  No substitute for Real hugs!
>
>...

a truly WONDERFULL idea.  i've been looking for a fellow sister for some
time now for those hugs that are needed from time to time.  everyone
here is great, but nothing beats a good, in person, "knowing" hug.

>>Love to you all,
>>Wendy
>
>Love to you too, sis
>Lorraine
>
love to all my sisters
	and incase we forget....  to all my brothers
kathy




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From: an2967@anon.penet.fi (Tierney Dhewitrei)
Subject: Re: Bra Fillers!
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:28:00 GMT

Regarding Shannon's following comments:

> Hi Everyone - A while ago I asked everyone what their breasts were if they
>         didn't buy the expensive prosthesis forms. As we've read, there have
>         been some interesting techniques for what each of us considers to be
>         a perfect feel and look for a breast. I think the bird seed breasts
>         were the most creative, followed by the modified nerf footballs! I used
>         padded front halfs of socks sewn into a prothesis shape. Notice I said
>         used. These looked great, and felt Ok. As we all know, less is more
>         right? Anyway, enough girls mentioned water balloon, so I had to try
>         them out. I felt silly at first because all I could find were Mickey
>         Mouse balloons! I filled them with warm water to as suitable size a
>         gave them a shot. I was really surprised that I found that for the
>         first time, they moved and felt like breasts! Except for a nipple that
>         could easily be added of course, but was I surprised!.....

A well positioned balloon knot may suffice.  If you want a larger nipple
just tie a double knot.  It's _not_ perfect (pun, what pun), but under a
bra with a slight bit of padding it looks great!!

Hugs
Tierney

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From: an5328@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Re: Support, and anonymity
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:27:05 GMT

X-Anon-to: alt.transgendered


[hope this works - it's an attempt to use michelle's method of following up.]

'coming out' as a crossdresser is a major step.  Society seems to have
accepted the fact that people's sexual attraction may vary from person
to person, but not their sexual identity.  In _Fantastic Women_ Annie
Woodhouse a UK sociologist describes the discomfort that occurs when
approached by a person whose sex is indeterminate.  The first thing we
notice about a person is what his/her sex is.  This determines how we
relate to them, how we talk to them, our manners, potential courtship
rituals, status, and on and on.

Our society is simply not prepared to give up this basic
differentiation.  There is also, as Virginia Prince, has written, the
stigma of moving *down* rather than *up* in status when CD'd.  AS woman
who is wearing men's clothing societally increases her status.  A male
weraing female's clothing is doing the opposite.  That this is true is
awful, but a fact of our society and history.

Really, crossdressers need political clout, but do have to come out to
get it.  The difficulty is we seem to be one of the few groups it is
permissible to dump on.  In Toronto crossdressers were discouraged from
entering a float into the Gay Pride Day parade because of lesbian
dissent.  Gay men themselves often look down and are embarrased by
'queens', and, superficially, a CDer looks like a queen, though is
certainly not one.

As a TV there is a part of me that wants to come out.  Not so much to
dress in public as not to have to lie and be so blasted circumspect.
Also, I would, (as an old girl in my late 40's) like to be able to help
others who are younger and more confused.  The more publicity there is,
the more ordinary crossdressing becomes.  Who knows, maybe one day we
won't even be fodder for the talk shows.


Don't think that the ironly of posting this ananymously has escaped me.

    Blessings,

    	    Shelley


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From: an4725@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Where to shop?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:00:00 GMT

I have recieved numerous requests for the address and phone number
for centurians. I will dig it up and post it here on the net. I am
really interested in getting more info on the place in Hollywood
for rocker type girls!!

How about some tu
chris
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From: glenn@moeng2.morgan.edu (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.)
Subject: Re: Shopping 
Summary: Not just for California
Organization: The Space-Time Fabrication Institute, Rockville, MD.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:05:44 GMT

an4258@anon.penet.fi (dances-with-aardvarks.) writes:
>In general, I doubt that any retailer in San Francisco would have a
>problem with you trying/buying women's clothes (with the possible
>exception of an over-priced glitzy Union Square women's store).  San Jose
>is more conservative, but I still think getting thrown out is [unlikely].

In the Washington, DC area there are a few stores in which I've felt
uncomfortable asking to try on clothes.  In most, however, it has not
been a problem.  In one I asked to try something on and was refused
for logistical reasons -- they had one dressing room divided by curtains
and did not feel that the curtains would provide adequate privacy for
the other customers if I were allowed in.

I've gotten the distinct impression that the DC metropolitian area is,
on the whole, more conservative than large chunks of California, but
nonetheless, I generally don't have any problem trying clothes on in
stores.

(And as background information, since I'm not yet as well known here
as I am on the mailing lists and in a.s.b, I don't even come close to
passing.  I have a serious beard.  (12 years growth.)  If I stop into a 
store on the way home from work, I'll be in pants.  Otherwise, I'll be
dressed.)



-- 
D. Glenn Arthur Jr.          The Human Vibrator              glenn@digex.com
"Being a _man_ means knowing that one has a choice not to act like a 'man'."

There is now a TV/TS newsgroup, alt.transgendered.  (I'd hoped for a soc.*
group, but oh well...)  

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From: an2069@anon.penet.fi (Vickie)
Subject: first time
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:44:18 GMT

  I remember my first time dressing. I was being babysat by the woman across 
the street, who had a daughter my age. She had a room full of her toys and clothes 
clothes so that she could play dressup. Of course there were no male clothing
and when I played dress up with her I had a 10 year old's hardon underneath the
dress. I was a little disappointed that we didn't undress and dressed up, but
mainly put clothes on over our street clothes.
  
  I had girlfriends where, if I spent the night, I would slip their panties on
while she was asleep and just hope I get caught in them, but morning usually
come and in shame, slip them off before getting out of bed.
  
  I had a roomate, who I would raid for a panty on occation. I bought several
dresses and a bra and stuffed them with her panties. I would then spend the day
wearing my clothes, and on occasion, try to take photos of myself from the neck
down, showing my legs or maybe in a real slutty position. I also imagine that
I am dancing with a male and he has the back of my dress hiked up and his hands
in my panties and holding by ass, and pressing me against him.
  
  I like the sleep wear, short dresses and of course stocking. I always wanted
to get caught by my roommate but I would always chicken out. I even tried wearing
wearing tap pants under my shorts with the lace hanging below the shorts, when
she was around, but it would be hiked up and nothing would show on purpose. At
that point, I was looking for a real accidental show.
 
  I guess that to me, CD is a sexual turnon. I never dressed in public and I
always chicken out when an opportunity to be 'caught' is presented. Even though
I fantasize about a male dressing with me, I have no desire to have sex with
a male, I just want to be a slutty girl and treated like one.
  
Love
 Vickie
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From: an5031@anon.penet.fi (Hope)
Subject: Re: Shopping
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.transgendered
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:40:45 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.194351.13648@fuug.fi> ??? writes:
>I've heard that there is such a shop in Southern California.
>I believe that they do mail order as: EHB,or Especially for Me, at
>P.O. Box 1489, Ontario, CA 91762. It appears that their store is at
>113 N. First Ave, Upland, CA 91786. I'm told that because the are
>addressing the TG community their price for forms are less than
>through Penny's etc. which count on insurance $ to cover a high price.

Especially for me is closed (it was over the Mustang Adult Book store)
because there was a lot of rain dammage last year (1991).  The owner
Alicia moved 3 lights down (on Arrow Hwy) and opened a new store
(Alicia's).  Unfortunatley she seems to have passed away (On Dec 9, of
a heart attack), like Uba Anderson, she will be sorely missed in SoCal.

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