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From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Re: Farewell to Juliet: requested info
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:50:53 GMT

jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:

>>    The band's musical influences are broad, and 
>>   range from secular acts such as the Police, the Fixx, 
>>   and Rush, to Christian acts such as the Choir, the 
>>   Seventy-Sevens, Adam Again, Chagall Guevara, and 
>>   King's X.

>now this promises to be interesting. the influences listed seem to
>be the archetypes of 2 entirely different genres: prog stuff (Rush,
>King's X) and minimalist 80's stuff (Choir, Fixx, Police).
>now, i'm a big fan of the latter & positively loath the former, so

>this makes me curious. what sort of elements do you draw from each
>area? either FTJ will go off in an entirely new direction or it'll 
>end up in the slush between two radically different styles.

>i'm hoping it'll go the unique route. after all, we can always use
>some new music & i'd love to see someone try to reconcile the prog-
>heads & me.

Your .sig says "doubtful + hopeful."  My vote goes with 'hopeful!'
I do not entirely sympathize, but definitely understand your 
loathing of the prog rock stuff.  If not done well, it tends to
be best described by "excess."  When I first 'discovered' an 
interest in music, all I knew was that I couldn't stand most of
the top 40.  I turned to the AOR station and latched onto groups
like the Who, Yes, and Rush.  Don't expect to hear much Yes in
our work.  I liked the emotion and energy of the best Who stuff,
particularly Quadrophenia.  I liked the fact that Rush was always
pushing the boundaries of what they'd done before, playing with
time signatures, playing songs within songs.  FTJ doesn't do
too much time shifting, because we went a slightly more groove
oriented route this time.  FTJ consciuosly tends away from
verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/solo/choruschoruschorus as
much as possible, and when something like that is appropriate,
we'll do it.

I love the 80's minimalist stuff.  The Choir, Fixx, and Police
are my favorite bands in the world, followed by 77s and King's X,
who are admittedly quite different.  I like Tchaikovsky a lot too.

I guess what we take from them is heard in terms of guitars (not
straight chording everything like REM, Throes, etc.), progressions,
and arrangement.  We try to create a nice wall of sound without
getting too muddy (i.e. no longer minimalist).  The Choir is
often very good at this.  we sound a little more like live Choir
than album Choir.

Bottom line:  I don't think we lie squarely in either category,
which hopefully will attract more listeners than it repels.

This was a very long winded answer which may or may not have
answered your question.  I hope you'll give us a shot; you
may REALLY like our music and what we have to say.

Jeff
Farewell to Juliet
From: thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Dancing with commitment & dating & sex
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 15:36:29 EST
Organization: MultiVac23, Newark, DE, U.S.A.

conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) writes:
> In article <1993Jan21.121304.13900@bsu-ucs> 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
> >By dating, you find out if you are interested in OTHER people.  By courting,
> >you see what develops.  Dating (read "Scott doesn't think this will get you
> >a seat right next to the furnace...") involves selection; courting involves
> >commitment and relationship development.
> 
> Good definition of the difference between dating and courtship.

Too bad there are a lot of single Christians out there who associate the
two together and refuse to date other Christians unless they would
seriously consider the other person as a spouse.

> What I'm talking about is a healthy view on what sex is
> for, what it's not for, what needs it meets and things like that.

True.  How many churches teach on the topic of sex and sexuality at all?
And how many teach sex as being the "cream" of the relationship, not the
basis for it?

> From the
> church we hear that it's not ok at all to even think about it unless you're
>married.

Which is probably what drives it underground, even among Christians.

> Obr.m.c. - Are there any songs out that deal with this kind of stuff?

Kim Boyce, on THIS I KNOW, has a song called *No Means No* which
is encouragement to wait for the right time and that you don't have
to give in to pressures to "do it".  She is ministering to the
high-school crowd, hence the topic and delivery.  I think it also
incorporates the idea of rape, since it deals with unconsenting
advances.
                         - tom
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From: cgreuter@mobius08.math.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Reuter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor's "I Predict 1990" (was Re: Dancing with commitment)
Date: 28 Jan 93 08:12:31 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

In article <910773f.63.728011763@axe.acadiau.ca> 910773f@axe.acadiau.ca (HEATHER LEE FYFFE) writes:
>>various Steve Taylor debates deleted
[Lots of justly deserved praise for Steve Taylor deleted  ;-)  ]
> Who here likes the Newsboys?
> Guess who writes for them?
>

Are you sure?  I looked at the Newsboys latest tape and some songs
were written by (among others)  "S. Taylor", but the Newsboys' 
bassist is named Sean Taylor.  Sure, the album has a definite 
Steve Taylor touch (he _did_ co-produce) but I'd like to know for
sure if he did some of the writing.  If so, it'll bump the album up 
a few notches in my Go-Out-And-Buy-It list.
From: mattias@tse.uucp (Mattias Hembruch x0830)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: are T-Bone and Sam backslidden
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:10:22 GMT
Organization: Toronto Stock Exchange

In article <80662@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6704a@prism.gatech.EDU (WHITE,BRENT LANE) writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.043233.5405@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, bgeerdes@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bruce Geerdes) writes:
>> 
>> My point isn't to judge her faith; I'd just like to be shown where you see
>> Sam's faith shine through her songs.  
>But seriously, I would ask you to consider the themes in her music and draw
>your own conclusions. I don't own many albums that have explicitly Christian
>songs or messages; yet I find that the message of the gospel pervades
>much of the best of my record collection, secular or otherwise. 

Interesting.. I keep hearing (reading?) people say that THEY find songs to have
spiritual meanings even though the artist has not said anything about being
a Christian, or at least attempting to 'reflect' their faith through their
songs..

(maybe bad wording). All I'd like to point out is that when Kansas did 
"Dust in the Wind", many people took this as definite proof that Kerry
Livgren was a Christian.. BZZZZT. WRONGO. He even says it surprised him to
hear people say that. He wrote the song out of 'utter despair' because he felt
that there was nothing more.. I haven't heard the song personally, and really
don't care to hear it because we should let old past die..

Mattias

-- 
Mattias Hembruch
>> My views do not necessarily reflect those of the TSE. <<
E-mail: mattias@tse.asd.tse.ca
From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Gospel Blues
Date: 21 Jan 1993 06:36:21 GMT
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In article <1ii3ldINNene@meaddata.meaddata.com> mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.151213.9308@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>
>|> [ ... ] Chris Whitley's debut album, "Living with the Law,"
>|> is a *great* blues album.  I don't know if Chris is a Christian,
>|> but he certainly uses a lot of biblical imagery.  
>
>I bought this album... I really like his wailing, and noticed the
>biblical imagery too...  but just a small warning to r.m.c., on a
>couple of songs I (just MHO) interpreted them to be singing about
>sleeping with women he wasn't married to, and not in a particularly
>repentive way.
>

Yeah, as long as you sleep in a repentive way, it's ok, y'know, but if
the way you do it isn't repentive, the music ends up not being as good.
y'know?

;-)

               --Stacey "glad we got that cleared up" O'Brien
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Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
From: myers_c@ab.wvnet.edu
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:07:59 -0500
Organization: Alderson-Broaddus College

In article <1993Jan25.172835.3295@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
> 
> 
>      The "ECKANKAR" organization, referred to in the following article, has
> been producing THE MOST BEAUTIFUL MUSIC I have ever heard, including the audio
> cassette albums "Songs of the Golden Heart", "Dance of the HU", and "Come Share
> the Dream".  It is MANY TIMES better than any Christian music I ever heard!
> 
> 
>                          CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
>       
>                Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that 
>           Jesus Christ was a perfect living Master, and a projection of 
>           God into the physical world, God Incarnate. 
>           
[Lots of stuff deleted]
> 
> 
>                UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
>           IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 
> 
> 
>                                            Robert E. McElwaine
>                                            2nd Initiate in Eckankar
> 
> 
     This does not belong here.  This is rec.MUSIC.christian.  If it is not
about christian music then PLEASE DON'T POST IT.  Remeamber, this group is not
a descussion about theology but of music.

Carlos (ducking for cover from another r.m.c flame war)

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   woodpecker to come along would destroy civilization."
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: danielg@med.unc.edu (Daniel G. Sinclair)
Subject: Re: CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED!
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:45:28 GMT

I recommend that people respond to this topic via email or move it to
another group.  Music belongs here, discussing religious doctrines does
not.  PLEASE, OH PLEASE, DON'T MAKE ME KILL THIS STRING EVERY TIME I LOG
ON!  I DON'T LIKE TO TAKE THE LIFE OF AN INNOCENT STRING.

Still following my spiritual master (JESUS),

daniel
-- 
[-]   They hated me without a cause. (Jesus)
[-]
[-]   When our humanity is in danger, the artistic spirit suddenly lives.
[-]     	(Leland Ryken in _The Liberated Imagination_)
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From: cs922015@ariel.yorku.ca (PAUL C BARDEN)
Subject: Concerts in Toronto
Originator: cs922015@t03.ariel.yorku.ca
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:44:07 GMT



Does anyone have any details of what Christian artists will be playing in Toronto in the near future, i.e. the next 6 months? Any information would be appreciated.

  Thanks,

  Paul

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                Paul C. Barden,
                York University,
                Toronto,
                Canada.

                E-mail : cs922015@ariel.yorku.ca
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer)
Subject: Re: need advice
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:59:36 GMT

In article <C1G1vH.Int@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> esquire@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Scott C. Kramer) writes:
>Scott 
>
>
>

 Waht I meant was...that I am goin gto be purchasing a bunch of CDs this weekend and that I wold like to go into Christian jazz, esp, with sax and all.
I allreay dhave purchaed both of Brentwood Jazz Quartet's Cd's and about a few weeks ago...I purchased the only Cd that Koinonia came out with.......

Could someone else recommend to me what would be worth considering< a friend
all ready told me Jeff Johnson was worth it >?

thanks.....

Scott
From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: gWs/DPP/SLAVA/Dietiphobia/Whats UP?
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:57:18 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

        This is especially for cE, but I'm posting it here because I think
others will be interested.
        Bassically, what's up with Brent Stackhouse, and what's up with Wally
Shaw?  I figured that things would be cool, after the split
but when I realized that they seemed to be living parallel lives with
production companies that seem to be in competition, I began to worry 
that things were not all happy in Blonde Vynil Techno Land. Wally got the name
"Dietiphobia," Brent got the name "Digital Priests."  It looks like a bad
divorce to me. 
        I don't want to facilitate the spreading of gossip, or backstabbing. 
If you can inform us without slandering our brothers, please do.
From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Steve Taylor's "I Predict 1990" (was Re: Dancing with commitment)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:57:48 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <81358@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6704a@prism.gatech.EDU (WHITE,BRENT LANE) writes:
>> Who are these lazy rejects that you rail against?  Look again at the credits
>> for I Predict 1990.  The band on that album is largely the same people that
>> are in Chagall Guevara, who you praise (relative to the rest of your post, 
>> at least...).  If you're gonna rant, at least rant consistently :-)
>> 
>I count no member of "1990"'s band who is the same as Chagall: Dave Thrush,
>Jeff Stone, Glen Holmen, Jack Kelly, Steve Goomas, Gym Nicholson versus
>Chagall's Wade Jaynes, Mike Mead, Lynn Nichols, and Dave Perkins.
 
Say, isn't Gym Nicholson the same guy that's in Undercover?  I've never
heard them, but i've heard their name spoken in hushed tones from time
to time.  I never noticed his name in the credits before.

I _did_ misspeak when i said 'band' above.  I was actually talking about the
additional musicians, etc, who include Dave Perkins, Ashley Cleveland, 
Mike Mead, Dave Perkins mixing and engineering and writing some small part
of the music, etc, etc.  Tho' they weren't actually his _band_ on 1990, 
at least they did play some small part in the album.

>Chaggall Guevara is essentially the same band that accompanied Phil Keaggy
>on his best album, the excellent "Sunday's Child," an album about which
>I have nothing disparaging to say (Surprise, surprise! :^). As far

I really like Sunday's Child myself.  Really great album.

I still disagree about the quality of the band on _1990_, though (no surprise
there, huh?)  The music for 'Clinic,' 'What is the Measure,' 'Svengali,'
'Innocence Lost,' etc.  are really good, IMHO.  Chagall would be MUCH better
to me if they had some keyboards or at least some Dave Thrush sax.  They
sound a bit threadbare to me. 


Anyway, all this is MHO, so lets get back to the impending music v. art 
debate ONE MORE TIME!

JRjr

-- 
'What did you say, what did you do, when they asked ya, who are you?
 Did you tell 'em who you know?  Did you hear that rooster crow?  How will
 you answer?  Where will you go?  Have you heard that rooster crow?' - REZ
#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
From: gt6704a@prism.gatech.EDU (WHITE,BRENT LANE)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: feb _CCM_
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:54:11 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1k25c2INN7ea@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, warrenjr@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (John R. Warren) writes:
> 
> 2) The new Daniel Amos (not DA) album "Motor Cycle" got a good review.
> Jerry Chamberlain is back and so are the Beatle influences. 

This is good news, John, but does Jerry's return mean that Greg Flesch is
out of the picture? Both Chamberlain and Flesch are so extremely talented
as electric guitarists, but I think Flesch has more to offer as a musical
center to the band's sound. He had big shoes to fill as Chamberlain's 
replacement, and he has done so admirably.

What do you guys think?
 
Brent White
gt6704a@prism.gatech.edu  
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: bmoore@sunfish.austin.ibm.com (Bryan Moore)
Subject: Re: Trying to find recording of song
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:37:17 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

>In article <1jp27tINNl2q@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> mrr1@cornell.edu (Michael Roman) writes:
>>I've trying to find a recording of the song with the following fragment:

>>By the waters, the waters of Babylon,
>>We laid down and wept, and wept for thee, Zion.
>>We remember, we remember, we remember thee, Zion.

>>I heard it in embedded in another song by Manfred Mann and the Earth Band.

>I may be totally losing it, but I seem to recall that it was on Don
>MacLean's _American Pie_.  As I remember it, that's all there was to
>the song, though I think it was done as a round, with very limited
>accompaniment.  (Sitar, maybe, or banjo...some kind of less-common,
>acoustic string instrument.)  Can anybody verify that my mind isn't
>completely gone? :-)
>
>---
>Roberta Taylor  AA2KZ  | You let me sing a song for you every now and then,
>AT&T Bell Laboratories | But I'm asking you, when are you gonna listen?
>Whippany, NJ           | You say I never sing about anyone but Jesus
>rlt@gummo.att.com  <>< | Well, that's because Jesus is my song. ---Anne Herring

Well, Don Maclean did record a song called Draedle (sp?) which is a
round, the recording I heard was live in concert. The lyrics are close
to the above, except for I don't remember the word Babylon in it. Although
I could be wrong because it's been a long time since I heard the
song. The song is in a minor key, but very beautiful. I know the
song is on his greatest hits album.

-Bryan


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From: bproden@ualr.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Dancing with commitment & dating & sex
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:26:09 GMT
Organization: University of Arkansas at Little Rock

In article <698.UUL1.3#5131@mvac23.UUCP>, thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp) writes:
> True.  How many churches teach on the topic of sex and sexuality at all?
> And how many teach sex as being the "cream" of the relationship, not the
> basis for it?
> 
>> From the
>> church we hear that it's not ok at all to even think about it unless you're
>>married.
> 
> Which is probably what drives it underground, even among Christians.
> 

I know my church is having a singles rally this Friday, where the associate
pastor will be speaking on why God forbids sex outside of marriage, not just 
the fact that He does.  It all has to do with the covenant basis of marriage.

He says it's the kind of explanation he wishes had been taught when he was
in high school and college.

I won't be there, though, I'm married.

Brian Roden
BPRODEN@UALR.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpeg8496@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey P. Elbel)
Subject: Re: Looking for new music
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:32:24 GMT

Mattias,

This will sound like just another schmooze, but,...

You might really like the forthcoming Farewell to Juliet CD.
It's a little tougher than a lot of the stuff you mentioned,
but it's not heavy metal.

Do you like the Choir?  They're not a hard rock band, but
they're not straight pop either.  Sort of moody, ethereal,
atmospheric, sometimes folksy.  Occasionally a little harder,
like the Fixx (they did "One thing Leads to Another).

Duh.  I just looked back at your article, and you list a
couple of Choir releases.  Did you like Chase the Kangaroo?
That was one of my faves.

Actually, I bet that Over the Rhine would be right up
your alley!

The Fixx actually hold some comparison to our band.  They're
just not as heavily in debt! :)

We all love DA.  Especially Terry's lyrics.
Brant and I write the lyrics for our songs, and Brant's a very
deep thinker.  I won't blow my own horn too much in that area,
but I work very hard to be interesting and not in your face
obvious (i.e., I like imagery and something that provokes 
thought.

Mail me for more info.  God bless!

Jeff 
Farewell to Juliet

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From: SysOp@narnia.UUCP (Jim Vestal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Christian music club
Date: 15 Jan 93 23:07:36
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> Family Record and Tape Club
> A Division of Word DMS, Inc.
> P.O. Box 10659
> Des Moines, IA 50380-0659
Here's the phone number to Word Record Club:

1 800-678-2676

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From: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: feb _CCM_
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:38:02 GMT
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <C1GqFy.DF2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> davisre@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Davis) writes:
>In article <1k25c2INN7ea@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> warrenjr@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU writes:
>
>>2) The new Daniel Amos (not DA) album "Motor Cycle" got a good review.
>>Jerry Chamberlain is back and so are the Beatle influences.  CCM called
>>it their most Beatle-influenced album since "Horrendous Disc."  Keep
>>watching those bookstores--if it's been reviewed it will be out any day
>>now!
>
>	Who wrote the review?
>

Bruce A. Brown (the guy who took over BQN's Rock/Alternative column, and also
the guy who recorded 'DA Live-Bootleg 1982')

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              You smear the blame on me, like cheap cosmetics,
                We pass the blame, until we look pathetic.
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From: jmstreck@carson.u.washington.edu (John Streck)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: The Choir
Date: 28 Jan 93 07:42:17 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
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gratrix@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jackie Gratrix) writes:

>I really like the "Chase the Kangaroo" and "Diamonds and Rain" albums, 
>but don't care much for most of the material on "Wide Eyed Wonder"
>(title track and "Someone to hold on to" excepted).  I'm glad
>that album was not my first exposure to The Choir, or I'd never
>have bought any of their other stuff.  Anyone know what is
>meaning behind "Robin  had a dream"?  It's got to be my least
>favorite Choir song.

This may not explain the meaning behind "Robin..." but it does explain its
existance. Supposedly (if I am rembering correctly) Steve said in an
interview that Robin did in fact have a dream which, as she was telling the
band about it, he realized had some cool imagery. Thus, Steve
copied it down and the song was born. There  was no mention of how much of
the lyrics was actually in Robin's dream and how much was poetic license. 

I don't think he gave any clue as to the message they were trying to convey.

And personally, the song has kind of grown on me (unlike "Behind That
Locked Door" which I still think is a huge anamoly--I like their cover of
"Have You Ever Seen The Rain" a lot better, they should have released that
instead).

john streck
jmstreck@u.washington.edu