From: frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Let Keep the population down please!!!!!!!
Date: 23 Nov 1992 14:19:58 GMT
Organization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG
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In article <1992Nov21.112912.21827@rigel.econ.uga.edu> mills@uga.edu (Kathi Mills) writes:
#> O'Dwyer
#>> Ferrari
#>>> Ray Fischer
#>>>> DOD
#
#>>If DODie is an x-tian, he must believe that there is no such thing as an
#>>"innocent unborn child," since, according to x-tians, all humans are born
#>>with original sin which cannot be wiped away until one prostrates onself
#>>to their chosen deity.
#
#>Here's an interesting piece of religious bigotry.  
#
#Religious bigotry?  I was just stating a widely-held belief among x-tians.
#
#>I note that the Christian religions seem to offer salvation as a remedy for
#>original sin, and the penalty for original sin is not particularly severe.
#
#NOT PARTICULARLY SEVERE?!  <choke> Endless torture in hell is NOT PARTICULARLY
#SEVERE?  Then postulate some punishment *worse* that never-ending fiery
#torture.

Limbo != Hell.

#>The Church of Reason, on the other hand, offers a new kind of original sin -
#>a z/e/f is guilty of the crime of non-sentience, a crime for which it is
#>guilty until proven innocent.  And the techno-nihilists are not nearly so
#>forgiving...
#
#Very melodramatic, pinhead.  Have you ever stepped on a bug?  GASP!  That
#creature was guilty of non-sentience and you punished it!  Point: a fetus
#is about as sentient as a common cockroach during most of the time that
#it is legal to have abortion on demand under Roe v. Wade.

Point: You don't know what you're talking about.  And do something about
that "punishment" hang-up of yours, will you?  It's obvious that you just
want to punish women for having sex.

#So unless you are an utter pacifist and have never killed anything, even >a
fly, in your life, you are as guilty of discriminating against non- >sentient
beings as you claim the women who have abortions are.

I never said women who have abortions discriminate against non-sentient
beings.  My beef is not with women who abort, but with people who urge or
recommend abortion as a solution, on the basis that a foetus has less worth
than other human beings.  While I believe that I am not entitled to a woman's
reasons for abortion, and wish to see abortion remain legal (become legal,
where I come from) nevertheless the idea that a foetus may not be sentient
makes a big "THUD" with me, and in itself is a poor excuse for abortion.
Follow?

#>While I'm in the neighborhood, what is the motive for bastardising the name
#>of Christianity in the above manner?
#
#You people (at least the ones who believe in original sin) bastardize your
#own name quite effectively.  I was merely observing the fact.

Nice try, but I'm not a Christian.  

#Ferrari (mills@rolf.stat.uga.edu)
-- 
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                               when you make us free your way"
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