HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mkelly@sneezy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: John Ostrander
Reply-To: mkelly@sneezy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:22:20 GMT

 gt1759c@prism.gatech.EDU (Donald Morris) writes:

|> Firestorm -
	[Excellent rant deleted...perhaps it should have been xposted to
alt.flamehead ;)]

	This reminds me of one of the famous Firestorm Plots that never
was (from a Direct Currents) FIRESTORM: Doreen's got a gun, so Ron watch out!

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
+                                                                           +
+ mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                  + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: CYBER FORCE #1
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:55:43 GMT

<Sound of Grammar Lad beating the tar out of Sig Lad for misusing you're/your 
in the previous post.>
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: cerebus 162
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:15:41 GMT
Organization: International Irony League -- Death before smileys!

In article <1992Oct15.174215.14072@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>     Anyway, back to the question that started this whole time-keeping mess:  
>Is Astoria pregnant with Cerebus's child?  No.  At least a year passed  
>between the second marriage and Jaka's Story.  And if she bore his child 
>in jail, there's a good chance she'd no longer *be* in jail
>(she'd be a Mother, no?).

Au contraire. Cirinist law makes it a blasphemy to *kill* a
mother, but not to imprison one (remember all those mothers
shipped off to "health camps" in Upper Felda). In fact, her
pregnancy might have kept her alive and imprisoned, instead of
being executed (that plus the doubt about the fate of Sir
Gerrick's child).

-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43 (no major spoilers)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:31:28 GMT

daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom):
>I have decided to give Sandman one more chance.  I bought issue
>43, and while there was nothing particularly fantastic about it,
>at least it did not offend me. 

If previous issues of Sandman have offended you, and if the current
one (which I thought one of the better issues) is no better than
nothing-special, maybe this title just isn't for you.

>Which of the compilations (graphic novels) of Sandman would people
>reccommend most?  I want to read one of them and see if I think
>it is worth my time to buy this magazine.

Save your money.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endless traine  -- Edmund Spenser


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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Keywords: Endless, animals, relations
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 16:54:28 GMT

In <1992Oct6.030805.7901@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:

>rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney) writes:
>
>>	This topic was mentioned previously, but the latest issue
>>adds to our tally of the Endless' animal companions. 
>
>>	Destruction               dogs
>
>Gotta be the dogs of war . . .

Thank Mr. Deity that Destruction has decent taste in canines -- Barnabas
looks like a pleasant, intelligent mutt.  I was afraid that the Dogs of War
were going to turn out to be Pomeranians.

                           "Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites
                            dog--*that's* a story.  And if the dog and the man
                            slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine
                            shows up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns
                            out to be a mutant, that's a *Marvel* story!"
                                           -- Marvel Editorial Handbook

                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
INTERNET:     moriarty@tc.fluke.COM
Manual UUCP:  {uunet, uw-beaver, sun, microsoft}!fluke!moriarty
CREDO:        You gotta be Cruel to be Kind...
                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**
From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23: Afterthinks; SPOILERS
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:06:28 GMT
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Oct5.020536.7308@iscsvax.uni.edu> levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>        It seems to me that they're simply playing a game.  They're heightend
>individuals who seem to find enjoyment in dressing up and playing superhero. 
>Perhaps it's Gaiman's parody of comic book fans and their fantasies.  Besides, 
>what else are they going to do with their spare time?  The obviously have no
>vested interest in normal humanity considering the way they completely 
>demolished the World Trade Center, disregarding the moral subject of 
>endangering human life.  So, essentially they are not *being* superheros, 
>they're *playing* superhero. Didn't you ever do that when you were a kid?  
>A real life (so to speak) version of Villians and Vigilantes or some such.

	I think you're largely right about the Miraclekids, but note
that I believe that Gaiman's been quoted in interviews as saying that
their mock-superhero battles take place in a replica of New York on an
island in the South Pacific.  This has not yet been confirmed in the
series itself, of course, but I expect that it will be before the
Silver Age arc is complete.  The Miraclekids don't have significant
regard for human life, true, but the horror with which Bates is
regarded suggests that random slaughter and the destruction of cities
wouldn't be tolerated by Miracleman and Miraclewoman (or rather,
they'd ask the Qys and Warpsmiths to intervene) as it would play hob
with the mythology they've built.

Mike
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Indeed I tremble for my country
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 when I reflect that God is just."
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
mss2@usite-next.uchicago.edu     Virginia (1784)
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From: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43: Transportation
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:42:13 GMT
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <YAMAUCHI.92Oct11125939@sartre.ces.cwru.edu> yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:

>   Perhaps this has been answered in previous issues, but I was wondering
>   why the Endless needed physical transportation in this issue.  Can't
>   Dream simply materialize anywhere he chooses?

	Because it makes for a better story? =)
	In the first few issues, it seemed that Dream could get
anywhere that dreams could carry him.  Of course, that may simply have
been exceptional, as he was weak due to his long imprisonment.

farewell--
--
Zeeshan Hasan 
zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu or skh7063@oberlin.bitnet
OCMR Box 1529, Oberlin College, Oberlin, Ohio 44074. Phone:(216)775-6447
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From: s1070422@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Damien Binding)
Subject: Re: Australian comic prices
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:35:21 GMT

robi@bacchus.esa.oz.au (Robi Karp) writes:

>In article <swindley.718439466@s1.elec.uq.oz.au> swindley@elec.uq.oz.au (Robert Swindley) writes:

>: there is ABSOLUTELY nothing different about the comic
>: except the little price box.
>: I have seen this in Bundaberg and Brisbane and there is
>: no way it is a local printing (who'd print it for starters)

>Well, can't really help you on that one. Ask the newsagent who
>supplies the comics and then ring the distributer and find out from
>them. It's about as good as you'll get.

>	- Robi
>--

Sorry to seem stupid, as l have missed the prior postings. Are you talking
about the Marvel comics that have the Australian prices on them. If so l
belive they are cheaper than the normal imported ones for some reason, and are
worth exactly the same in value as one from a direct comics shop.
    I hope l am understanding the situation going on.
From: silvers3@husc8.harvard.edu (Jolyon Silversmith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Zoo Crew
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:27:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Oct8.102735.16166
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Oct8.071721.11337@news.iastate.edu> baarniy@iastate.edu (Scott A Coon) writes:
>Hi.  My first posting to this group, so apologies if this is
>a FAQ (although for some reason I doubt that it is....)
>    I'm sure almost everyone remembers Capt. Carrot and His Amazing
>Zoo Crew (from around 1982).

I hope you're trying to be sarcastic. I think we're the only ones. :)

>                              Wildly unsuccessful series, which
>happens to be a personal favorite of mine.  There was a three-
>double-size issue miniseries set in Oz and Wonderland about 1986,
>I think.  The totality of Zoo Crew literature that I'm aware of,
>then, is the two years of regular issues and this miniseries.  I ask
>you, is that IT?  Is DC just allowing these characters to languish
>in oblivion?  I don't think they were destroyed in the Crisis....

They were ignored in the Crisis (although there nay be a cameo somewhere);
the Official Crisis Index later indicated that Earth C and probably Earth
C-Minus were not really alternate Earths at all. Captain Carrot still
occassionally is snuck into other DC titles, usually by Roy Thomas, I think.
I know that a Captain Carrot phone appeared at least once in Infinity, Inc.


-- 
Jolyon A. Silversmith __________________________________________________________
silvers3@husc.harvard.edu            President             "Eternal Vigilance is
Mather House 100              ACLU of Harvard College      the Price of Liberty"
Cambridge, MA 02138 ____________________________________________________________
From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: ANALYSIS OF SUPERMAN'S MATING TE
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:28:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: blaze.1992Oct11.192834.24484
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.

Incidentally, if anyone is wondering, the reference which shows that
cousins _can't_ marry on Krypton is Action Comics #289....
--
"the bogosity in a field equals the bogosity imported from related areas, plus
the bogosity generated internally, minus the bogosity expelled or otherwise
disposed of."  -- K. Eric Drexler

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Gender Character Contest
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:42:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Did anyone think of Dr. Fate (although I don't know what s/he is up
to in his/her current incarn.
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.folklore.computers,comp.misc
From: souva@aibn58.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Ignatios Souvatzis)
Subject: Re: "Any" key
Reply-To: isouvatzis@babsy.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
Organization: Radioastronomisches Institut der Universitaet Bonn, Bonn, FRG
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:37:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.233101.8725@networx.com> mikel@networx.com (Mike
Lempriere) writes:

   My favorite is from booting an IBM PC (or clone) with the keyboard
   unplugged:

   "Keyboard error -- Press F1 to continue"

as mentioned thousands of times by hundreds of ppl in
alt.folklore.computers, but maybe not in the other newsgroups Mike
used...:

That's perfectly reasonable.  If the 'F1' key goes through to the
computer, it means the keyboard is connected again.

DISCLAIMER: I don't want to say that anything else about IBM PC or
clones is reasonable.
--
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            Universitaet Bonn, Auf dem Huegel 71, D-5300 Bonn 1, FRG
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From: mikel@networx.com (Mike Lempriere)
Subject: Re: "Any" key
Organization: NetWorx
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:31:01 GMT

My favorite is from booting an IBM PC (or clone) with the keyboard
unplugged:

"Keyboard error -- Press F1 to continue"
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From: 001443c@ace.acadiau.ca (JASON DAVID CHURCH)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics,rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Winding down on Babes...
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:26:17 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

In article <81262@ut-emx.uucp> aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:
>From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
>Subject: Winding down on Babes...
>Date: 7 Oct 92 22:59:20 GMT
>
>	Ah, just one more day left on the Female Character Contest, huh?
>Can I possibly give you folks out there that haven't voted any incentive 
>to do so?
>	How about some possible (can you have...) spoilers (... on a contest?)?
>
>
>
>	1st place:  Can you say...   Deadlock?  Guess who between...
>	2nd place:  Can you say...   Deadlock?  You'll NEVER guess who between!
>	3rd place:  Still up for grabs!
>
>And so on.  Come on -- cast yer yotes.  It's, uhm, an American Tradition!!!
>	Haven't you always wanted to be a judge in the Miss America
>pagent?  Well, so have I.  But this is kinda-sorta close (kinda).  Send me
>mail -- if you're reading this, you've got the time!!!
>	I know -- if YOU vote I'LL shut up about this whole thing until Monday!
>
>		So, until the Catfight Battle-Royal ends,
>			King Rat signing off!!!!!
From: c60b-3fe@web-3f.berkeley.edu (Coffee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Sinister
Date: 9 Oct 1992 02:58:29 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-3f.berkeley.edu

In article <brian_vickers-081092103107@137.79.110.112> brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov (Brian Vickers) writes:
>In article <67354@cup.portal.com>, Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com wrote:
>> 
>> There was chicken soup in the container.  
>> Just like in the Mr. Freeze episode of the animated Batman, "Heart of Ice."
>> PAD
>
>So what you're saying is that the stuff in the container is the instrument
>of destruction for the bad guy(s), right?

No.  Remember, Sinister said that it was a piece of the future.
It's just a recipe that wont be invented for another 10 years or so
:) :) :)

Coffee, (maybe _I_ was in the container :> )
-- 
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From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: NCCS & RS
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:29:36 GMT
Reply-To: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <81627@ut-emx.uucp> nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman) writes:
>In article <cenu7fm00iUzM3cUsH@andrew.cmu.edu> mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael J. Keating) writes:
>>>So, all Jean has to do is get pregnant with Scott's child and BBBAAAMMM!!! 
>>>Rachel is born!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>>I think that this is one of the least far-fetched and most reasonable
>>ideas I've seen on the net for a while except for the fact that I find
>>it highly unlikely that Rachel never would have been told about the
>>existence of Nathan.  However, wasn't she taken away from her parents at
>>a fairly young age (early puberty)?
>
>Hang on a minute here!!!  As _I_ recall, Rachel was Jean and Scott's daughter,
>all right, but she was born in a timeline in which Jean _never_ died, the 
>Phoenix Force _never_ showed up, and Scott _never_ married Madelyne Pryor.  
>Which makes these arguments moot, because, even if Jean _does_ get pregnant
>with Scott's child, the child cannot be Rachel.  Noway, nohow.  There are 
>fundamental differences in the circumstances surrounding Rachel's birth and 
>the current (canon) Marvel timeline which cannot be resolved in order to have
>Jean give birth to Rachel.

Where exactly is the contradiction?  In recent eXcalibur issues, it was
stated that Rachel's memories were altered by the Pheonix force.  (Can
someone please post a synopsis of this issue to the net?)  Besides, maybe
Rachel's mom never told her that she was dead, or all the wierd things
happening between Jean, Madelyne, and Scott. (She wanted to wait until
Rachel was older, so that she would understand better, but died before she
could tell her.)

Rachel does not necessarily know about Nathan, either.  Jean might be
reluctant of talking about the subject, or something.


//Karthik
From: aj005b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dark Ghost)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Uncanny X-Men 295
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:08:07 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Oct12.025209.23522@ultb.isc.rit.edu> dfm6038@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (David Miller) writes:

>My roommate and I have a theory that Psylocke was not really trying to kill
>Professor X, but she was actually trying to save him.  If you recall, she
>says something to the effect that she is going to finish the job that even
>technology could.  That job being remove the technovirus from Xavier because
>remember that the doctors or somebody (it's from an early issue) that 
>technology could not remove the technovirus.  We also have a theory that
>Professor X will become Cable's computer (the Professor) after the virus
>mutates him, but Cable's computer is probably Ship from X-Factor.  Just
>some marsupials for the wrench.

	Actually I think the computer that Cable uses, called the
"professor" isn't Professor X or ship.  Instead the computer is simply a
computer named after Professor X, either by Cable or the original creators,
who were probably the people who brought little Nathan/Cable into the
future.  Since we all know Stryfe is really an alternate Cable from another
time, and we know that Stryfe is the child of Jean and Scott, it is safe to
assume that Cable really is Nathan.
	As for Psyloche, I to think she was trying to save Xavier.  The only
problem being that she can't.  In her grief stricken mentally, she probably
did what she thought was right.  Unfortunately, the cloudy aspect of X-overs
diluted this and gave us an attempted murder.

						Dark Ghost
From: nova@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jennifer Baughman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: NCCS & RS
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:51:18 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <cenu7fm00iUzM3cUsH@andrew.cmu.edu> mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael J. Keating) writes:
>>So, all Jean has to do is get pregnant with Scott's child and BBBAAAMMM!!! 
>>Rachel is born!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>I think that this is one of the least far-fetched and most reasonable
>ideas I've seen on the net for a while except for the fact that I find
>it highly unlikely that Rachel never would have been told about the
>existence of Nathan.  However, wasn't she taken away from her parents at
>a fairly young age (early puberty)?

Hang on a minute here!!!  As _I_ recall, Rachel was Jean and Scott's daughter,
all right, but she was born in a timeline in which Jean _never_ died, the 
Phoenix Force _never_ showed up, and Scott _never_ married Madelyne Pryor.  
Which makes these arguments moot, because, even if Jean _does_ get pregnant
with Scott's child, the child cannot be Rachel.  Noway, nohow.  There are 
fundamental differences in the circumstances surrounding Rachel's birth and 
the current (canon) Marvel timeline which cannot be resolved in order to have
Jean give birth to Rachel.

__NOVA__
_______________________________________________________________________________

"It was hard to miss the big X you shined on passing clouds."
		--X-Factor
_______________________________________________________________________________
Organization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:44:02 -0400 
From: "Michael J. Keating" <mk56+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Family Tree (eas Re: Theory: Cable has a daughter!)
	<92596@netnews.upenn.edu>
	<ceqYKIq00awN8EMl9j@andrew.cmu.edu>

I'm pretty sure that it was later revealed that the only connection
between Rictor and Cable was that Cable had killed Rictor's father.....
(or did Stryfe just shoot him with a technovirus?)
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: Re: APOCALYPSE'S PAST
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:11:23 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <weqjhG600UhW42tL0A@andrew.cmu.edu> Steven Kelly Woyicki
<sw3r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Ok, theory:

OK, shoot.

>Apocalypse was probably the first mutant, born around 4000-2000 BC,
>possibly in ancient Egypt or thereabouts.

While the canoninty of this is doubtful, the "first mutant" was the original
Adversary, who's appeared in the one-shot X-Men:  Heroes for Hope, and
nowhere else. How do you know he's the first mutant? Simple... the plot told
us so.

Personally, I always loved it 'cause you got folks like Alan Moore, George
"Railroad" Martin, and even Stephen King writing the X-Men. Coolage. Like,
really jiving. Hep.

-- 
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"Boy, do I love PLASTIC!" -- TJ Teru // What was your question? --Kate Bush
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From: dmcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cyclops & Bishop
Keywords: Optic blasts, bio-blast absorption
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:50:25 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <8OCT199209264207@jane.uh.edu> chem8w@jane.uh.edu (Councilman, David A.) writes:
>Hiya.
>I remember in the original Official Handbookd of the MU, Cyclops power
>source for his "optic blasts" was unknown, ...[deleted]

I think Cyclops' power source is Solar Energy...I think that once when
he was away from the sun for a very long time (really early issues)
his powers didn't work...and didn't until he came back into the  sunlight.

It seems he is a very good battery and stores unlimited amounts of energy
or writers seem to have forgotten this.


Patrick

ps.  Please let me know if I'm wrong.