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From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike Computer Question
Date: 31 Jul 92 04:33:21 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Jul31.000546.27377@oracle.pnl.gov> d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker) writes:
>The battery is dead.  The solar power feature was supposed to make
>the battery last longer, but it doesn't.  It may even last less long.
>You can (allegedly) use an SR44 battery in it.  The SR44 will not
>recharge, but the voltage applied by the solar cell during the
>chargin cycle should be low enough to not damage the battery.  The
>SR44 is easier to find, costs less, and lasts about as long as

 I purchased Radio Shack cat#23-105 (Silver Oxide 357) to replace cateye
oem battery. The RS works much better. I now have 9600 miles without a
battery replacement. What I have to do to keep it alive is put it under
my fish tank fluorescent bulb a couple of times per week. It sits in direct
contact with the end of the fluorescent tube (which is not at full brightness
but is still quite bright). If I had an apartment with lots of direct sunlight
I would think this would work just as well as the fish light.

 I don't know if the original poster has a dead battery problem though. If his
readouts are sharp and crisp then the battery is good. Even when a battery is
running down and the LCD's are dim, the computer still operates correctly.

 He stated that he has a blinking display but no recording of data. If the  
record button is set to on, then the mile/h will flash. If there is continuity
from the wheel and/or cadence sensor then the black dot will flash. If he had
this black dot flashing but the computer wasn't recording and calculating, then
I would think the problem was internal in the computer.

 I've repaired my cateye solar when I had a continuity break in the wiring.
This is the most common cause of malfunction (I would assume).
 
 If the problem is internal, then the only thing to do is take it apart. Maybe
a broken connection can be found and re-soldered.


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From: grande@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (brad.l.grande)
Subject: Re: Bike Computer Question
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:12:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.130351.1@mdcbbs.com>, royce@mdcbbs.com (Royce D. Myers EDS/Unigraphics) writes:
> 
> 
>     I got a great deal on a CATEYE Solar last fall.  It turns out that
>     maybe it wasn't such a great deal after all: it died the other day. 
>     The little dot in the upper right pulses when I'm rolling, but no
>     speed or other function registers, and no inputs are accepted from
>     the buttons.  The battery is lithium and should last five years (and
>     the display is still active, indicating at least some power).
> 
>     Is it possible to repair it?
> 
>     Thanks -- Royce
> -- 

Your problem is most likely being caused by dirty contacts between the main
circuit board and the display/button assembly.  I recall that this interface
is via pressure contact fingers.  Another poster suggested that the batteries
were dead.  I don't think that that is the case as you are getting a display.
When my solars' batteries get low, I lose the display, but, the unit continues
to run, beep, and function. (My Solar is 7 years old and still tickin!)

The Solar has been out of production for quite a while and there are not many
around any more.  This unit is not water proof and exposure to rain commonly
would result in the behavior that you describe because of the contacts between
the circuit board and the display/buttons would corrode.  It should be fixable.

What you need to do is to get some contact cleaner and low lint cleaning towels.Take the unit apart (use very small jewelers phillips screwdriver).  Remove
the circuit board and gently clean the contacts and the circuit board.
Reassemble making sure that the contacts all mate up.

A common thing that owners of non-water proof computers would do was to keep
a sandwich baggie and a rubber band in their saddle bag.  If it rained, put
the baggie over the computer and hold in place with the rubber band.  You can
still see and operate the unit and it would stay dry.

If the above mentioned cleaning does not work and you decide to ditch the
unit, let me know, I will take it off your hands for the price of shipping.

Good Luck!

Brad Grande	WB0OYX
Another bike riding beer brewing kite flying amateur radio operator who
	still likes CD's!

AT&T Bell Labs
Naperville Illinausea
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From: Kenneth_Ferguson@rand.org (Ken Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:58:47 GMT
Organization: RAND
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1a2




       Well said Jim. Please read my post in the same subject area.

        I  have had plenty of experience with CHAIN LUBE and would like
to 
forget about it. It has cost me mucho bucks in chains to find out.



                        Ken Ferguson  CAMPIONE RACING
From: psierra@dit.upm.es (Pedro Luis Sierra Hernando)
Subject: Teams Scoring
Organization: Dept. Ingenieria de Sistemas Telematicos, UPM, Madrid, Spain.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:59:38 GMT

In article <pschulz.711964053@adelphi> pschulz@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Paul Schulz) writes:

   Question for netland:  How are the times of the teams decided on?
	   (During the TTT it was the fifth rider over the line. Does this
	   also apply for when they are racing in a normal stage?)

 
Some few years ago, I listened that the teams scoring comes from the three 
first times of the riders of each team in the stage, I'm not sure if it is
this way now.

Pedro
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kol@hal.nta.no (Karl Olav Lillevold FST Student)
Subject: JPEG image of Indurain
Organization: Norwegian Telecom Research
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 09:10:26 GMT

Check out the greyscale image of Miguel Indurain (and
Laurent Fignon) from the TdF Time Trial last week in
alt.binaries.pictures.misc.


    __o    Karl Olav Lillevold
  _`\<,_   
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From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Alpe d'Huez stats wanted
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:00:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: slc.1992Jul21.210005.23797
Distribution: na
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US

Colin DeWolfe (dewolfe@ug.cs.dal.ca) writes:

> Darran Edward Edmundson (dedmunds@selkirk.sfu.ca) writes:

> > Does anyone know the vertical distance of this climb and how long it takes
> > a good pro cyclist to climb it?

> Yeah, I've been up it.  It starts out in the town of Bourg d'Oisans at 
> an elevation of 711 metres and climbs to 1860 metres.  This is ~1150 metres
> of elevation gain (~1200 to the actual finish line)  This works out to
> about an average grade of 12%.  I distinctly remember last year when I
> rode up it that there were at least 4 sections at > 15% (road signs:-)

> I myself did it last year in ~53 minutes after following the same route
> they did for Sunday's stage. (Galibier, Croix de Fer, L'Alpe D'Huez)
> It really is quite a monster.  It's also listed on my map as being 13km.

Hey! For us wannabes! What gearing did you use?


> The only thing worse that I have been on are Mt. Washington in New Hampshire
> and Col de la Bonnette (10000ft in 100km [3000 feet in 70km + 7000ft in 30 km).

Where's that?

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
From: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (cool flowin gotta keep goin...)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Upgrade/Shed weight on my MTB
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:01:56 GMT
Reply-To: jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: UofA Hardware And Computing Knowledge Society
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4

>I also tossed the rapidfailure shifter/brakes and put XT thumbs and SS-5
>levers on my Scott AT-3 bars with a new, much lighter stem.  My DX
>canti's were replaced by 987's (986's are too soft).  Now if I could only
>do something with my rear U-Brake (this also acts as an anchor) I would
>be set.
> 


   I have an '89 GT Avalanche with XT upgrades, and I am also disgusted
with the fact that I have a rear U-Brake.  The reason for this is the way
the frame is designed, "the triple triangle", if canti's were mounted on
the brake bosses, one would most definitely rape the back of one's
achilles' tendon with the protrusion.  I am not at all sorry that I've 
got the braking power of the U-Brake, however, it does sacrifice weight.
Is there any one out there that has made the upgrade from U-Brakes to
canti's and notices a difference in braking power, as well as weight
savings?

Pleez Lemme know.


                 Joel Brodsky  jbrodsky@hacks.arizona.edu
                               jbrodsky@seagull.tucson.az.us
                               jbrodsky@maria.wustl.edu
                               jmbrodsk@nyx.cs.du.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:11:06 GMT

In <1992Jul24.115511.16845@alf.uib.no> paulo@eik.ii.uib.no (Paul Olav Tvete stipendiat) writes:

>I'm beginning to get tired of the 'bicycle oil' which turns to black
>ink in about thirty minutes, and I'm considering paraffin wax. In
>Bergen we have more than 300 days of rain each year. Will paraffin wax
>work well under wet conditions? Any other recommendations?

I tried waxing my chain here in the rainy Seattle area, and it started
to squeak, gall, and rust within a couple of weeks.  The wax will
retain water inside the joints even on warm, dry days, too.

A friend has suggested the expensive teflon-in-noxious-solvent lubes,
but I just use a good oil and put up with the blackness.  Right now
I'm using Finish Line Century lube, but I haven't been using it long
enough to form a definite opinion.  I've got about 500 miles on the
chain without needing to re-lube it, but there has not been much rain
so far this month so I don't know how well the lube resists water.  It
has, of course, turned very black.
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From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: UG vs. HG chain...
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:50:33 GMT
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <25JUL92154730@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu> jbrodsky@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu writes:
>think it over.  If you get the UG chain, remember to get the CORRECT
>chainbreaker for the chain.  A standard chain breaker won't work with a 
>Shimano chain, ask around.
>

Correct chainbreaker? What is the correct one? I use the Park tool.
I also use this Shimano chain for year round commuting and haven't had
a chain break at a 3,000 mile per year pace.

Flip


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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: USCF and recumbents
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:44:49 GMT

Thanks to Eric Schweitzer for typing in the statement that appeared in
HPV News from John Tarbert, USCF Assistant Executive Director, in
which he asserts that recumbents are not allowed in massed start
races, giving the following reason.
>"The decision was based not on the exposed chain rings, but because the
>recumbent bicycle is difficult to see, especially in a pack. A rider
>from behind who is trying to make a move forward and thinks he sees
>a gap doesn't realize the gap is, in fact, being occupied by a recumbent
>bicycle. The rider's attempt to pass and find no place to move
>could easily cause an accident. However, recumbent bicycles could
>still be used in time trials."

I just found my copy of the HPV Newsletter too and note that Tarbert's
letter fails to cite a rule upon which this "interpretation" is
supposed to be based.  There is a good reason for this -- there is no
such rule.

(I just tried to call John Tarbert to ask what he was thinking about
when he wrote this letter, but find that he is out of town until
Monday.  After he returns and I get a chance to talk to him, I plan to
send a letter to HPV News challenging his misguided remarks.)

I recognize the statement quoted above as coming from the USCF
Technical Vice President, NOT the Technical Commission, as claimed in
the letter.  It is clear that said V.P. is confused about both the
various kinds of recumbents that exist and about the powers of his
office.  Only the Board of Directors may amend the rules and they have
not done so.  In fact, there is currently no proposal to change the
rules on bicycles for next year, so unless a last-minute proposal is
submitted and approved by the Board, recumbents will continue to be
legal in massed start races through 1993.

While some very low recumbents conceivably might be excluded on safety
grounds by a chief referee under USCF Rule 1I2a, the apparent
assumption in the quotation above that all recumbents are unsafe is
clearly erroneous.  Furthermore, safety determinations are made by the
chief referee on a case-by-case basis, not by the Technical V.P.  As a
working official, I will continue to evaluate safety issues such as
this individually and I recommend that others do the same.

For the record, even though I am USCF Legislation Chairman and drafted
most of the racing rules now in use, I do not speak for that
organization.  But neither does John Tarbert.

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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,sci.med
Subject: Re: Numbness during extended bicycling & other overuse injuries
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:15:48 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <25007@dog.ee.lbl.gov> DEBbliss@lbl.gov (David E. Bliss) writes:

>Good luck with your study.  Let me know if you want more details or MRI 
>images of what overuse does to the L4-L5 disk, not a pretty sight.
>
A disk injury is not really an overuse syndrome.  At one point, the
fibrous capsule around the disk ruptures allowing it to herniate.
Thereafter, overuse can aggravate the pain, but a disk is not the
kind of gradual injury that builds up with overuse.  There is
also no reason to suppose that if the disk was surgically removed
you could not return to riding.  There are many competitive athletes
that have had the procedure and are competing at the top of their
sport.



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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: pauls@icecreambar.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Re: XC Pro hubs compatible with XT groupo? (Use a freewheel)
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:26:02 GMT

In article <92205.151713BEJ102@psuvm.psu.edu> Bryan Jones  
<BEJ102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> In article <1992Jul23.152504.33061@source.asset.com>,  
parksd@source.asset.com
> (Don Parks) says:
> >
> >I'm thinking of purchasing a set of wheels with Suntour XC Pro hubs.
> >Is there going to be any problem with this being compatible with a
> >Deore XT groupo?  I don't imagine so, but I figured I'd ask just in
> >case before I shelled out the $$
> >
> 
>      The XC-pro hubs are really nice, but I wouldn't count on them being
> as nice with an XT derailleur.  I have some friends that have
> swithced freewheel from Suntuor to Shimano hyperglide freewheel.
> He said he liked it - that it shifted better, but only after about
> 5 times as much playing with it and adjusting it.  But, I have
> never seen it reversed (Suntuor freewheel/Shimano derailleur), so
> good luck.
> 
>      Supposedly, the shifter either takes up the equivalent of
> an eighth (1/8th) of an inch of derailleur movement - either
> Suntuor or Shimano.  Presumably they should be compatible, but
> you don't hear too many stories to confrim this.
> 


So far everyone has assumed XC-pro cassette, I guess, since this appears  
to be more a discussion of whether the cog design and spacing is  
interchangeable.  My experience in the shop says that shimano cogs shift  
better than suntour accushift when running shimano 7speed drivetrain.  One  
can get away with relatively sloppy adjustment when using the all-shimano  
system and still have it shift pretty well.  The same cannot be said for  
using suntour cogs with the shimano system.

But the main point I want to make is that you can still get greaseguard  
hubs from suntour without having to buy into the cassette.  I submit that  
the best shifting with xc-pro hubs and shimano drivetrain will be with a  
threaded freewheel (dura ace or sachs-ARIS).  Of course you lose the  
strength advantage of the cassette, but shifting will definitely be  
better.
From: netnews@leadsv.UUCP (Leads Network News)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike Nashbar
Keywords: n
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:54:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale

>
> Has anyone ever dealt with or ordered from Bike Nashbar out of
>Youngstown,Ohio? I was thinking about ordering a few items.
>
New to cycling ?
>-- 
>Bruce Mccullough-Tech Assistant   | "The sharpest sword cannot cut itself".
>Office of Information Technology  | "Look into the book of mirrors and find 
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From: trich@fsg.UUCP (Terry Richards)
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Upgrade/Shed weight on my MTB
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 08:01:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.014439.2876@athena.mit.edu>, jclee@athena.mit.edu (Yogurt brains) writes:

|> Also, my rear derailleur is an Exage 500LX.  Is it worth paying $25 for
|> a Deore DX derailleur?

The 500LX derailleur weighs 320 grammes against 310 grammes for the DX.  The
front derailleur has the same weight.

The only big weight saving in the Shimano range (excluding XTR) is from the
200GS chainset to the Exage 500 LX which cuts weight from 1390 grammes to
750 grammes.

David.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Trial set for driver who hit bicyclist
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:58:49 GMT

schinder@leprss.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul J. Schinder) writes:
>Nonsense.  No one *ever* finds himself drunk behind the wheel of a
>motor vehicle by accident.  I don't accept the definition "accident ==
>anything done by a motorist that causes property damage or injury".

Doesn't matter what you accept.  What matters is how the prosecuting
attorney, the jury, & the judge interpret the applicable statutes &
legal definitions.

Your use of alternate, emotionally based interpretations will only
lead to unwarranted expectations & ultimately outrage at the
resolution of this unfortunate incident.

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From: horrocks@winkle.bhpese.oz.au
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MTB Touring (was: Touring bicycles -- an extict breed?)
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:34:10 +1000
Organization: BHP Information Technology, Newcastle

In article <1992Jul24.214745.7843@s1.gov>, lalaw@s1.gov (Leroy Alaway) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> MTB bike touring: Last summer I toured in Europe for three weeks with
> my
> old Mountain Bike.  No problems.  I have a Mountain Goat from 1981
> ETC
> 3. In some countries, Scotland for one, there are no "no trespassing"
> laws.  Off-road tires will allow you to go in to some neat places.
> 

Just a quick note, Scotland does have laws relateing to access to another
persons land when he doesn't want you there (ie trespass) but they are
different! They also do not prevent an irate landowner/shepherd from stuffing
his walking stick in your front wheel as you go past as a form of protest if
you upset them. Ok, so the point I'm making is don't just ride anywhere, you
can make it awful difficult for those who come after you if you upset anybody,
be it landlord, farmworker or conservation body. Don't just rely on the fact
you'll be out of the country by the time the rather quaint Scottish law system
tries to get to you. 
No flame intended, just be careful on the land access issue.

	Cheers
		Richard


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,ott.general
From: pirzyk@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim Pirzyk)
Subject: Re: flat states (was Re: centuries)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:23:08 GMT

In <1992Jul20.170802.57367@cc.usu.edu> bob@cc.usu.edu (Bob Bayn) writes:

>mcclella@yertle.Colorado.EDU (Gary McClelland) defends his Kansas from
>a charge of "flatness" by pointing out that the elevation ranges from
>800 ft to almost 4000 ft.  He cites the beautiful Flint Hills and then
>accuses Illinois of being a "flat" state.

As a resident of Illinois, and I have lived in four different cities in
Illinois, I have to defend the fact that Illinois is not a flat state.

In the northern Illinois (around Rockford) has suffered much damage from 
the last ice age.  The overall elevation may not be that great, but there
is an incline every quater mile.  There are also many steep hills around 
the Peoria area and along the Mississippi (because of the river erosion).

The rest of the state (like the Champaign area) is typical farm land, but
you cannot see for miles (at best a mile though).
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mccurdy@bestsd.sdsu.edu (McCurdy M.)
Subject: Re: Signalling right turns
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:52:00 GMT

In article <l7e1o9INNpa@bovina.cs.utexas.edu>, varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varv writes...

>is a right-turn signal.  Pointing to the right with the right arm seems
>much more natural.  At least there's a chance the signal will be
>understood.  I'm less sure why motorists need to know that I'm turning
>from the right side of one street to the right side of another, but I
>still give the signal.

Crossing traffic on your side at the intersection would want to know.
Pedestrians also ...

Mike



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