HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: me@romana.css.itd.umich.edu (My Account)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Command features
Date: 23 Jan 1993 18:29:22 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bchuang@css.itd.umich.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: 35.214.33.1

In article <63596@mimsy.umd.edu> alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes:
> In article <2182@nikhefh.nikhef.nl> t68@nikhefh.nikhef.nl (Jos Vermaseren)  
writes:
> > Command-<up> and command-<down> will cycle through the window list.
> 
> unfortunately, this is an almost useless feature because you still have to  
take
> your hands off the keyboard to click the mouse to select the new key window.
> so what good is a KEYBOARD shortcut that requires you to use the mouse for  
most
> practical purposes??
> 
> Stuart's alt-arrow key combinations are much more useful to me, because they
> change the key window also.  unfortunately that doesnt effect non Stuart  
windows.
> 
> -- 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Alex Blakemore alex@cs.umd.edu   NeXT mail accepted

Well, I admit the keyboard shortcut is generally stupid, but it is very useful  
if you want to see what is in another window (like something in Webster's) and  
then you want to snap back to what you were doing before.
 
Still, using the mouse is annoying.
From: izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu (Izumi Ohzawa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 03:09:32 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan26.182207.198723@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein)  
writes:

>It is my feeling that a poliferation of NS on various platforms will help  
>not hinder the sale of NeXThardware.  As NS becomes more accepted and  
>people decide to go with it as on os then there will shurely be those  
>people(companies) who will pay to get their hardware and os from the same  
>source.  If a company has a video problem and has to deal with both NeXT  
>and some bizar 3rd party video card manufacturer to solve it that could  
>represent more time/money that just going to NeXT.

But then, at least in the NS486 market, it should be pretty easy for
a small clone maker to preload NS486 to their clone with tested
video cards, ethernet cards and hard disks.  And guarantee that things
work.  Loading NS486 to existing clones would be problematic, but
no one on the selling side is interested in that -- loads of troubles
and little money to be made.

I would bet that NS486 would definitely eat into NeXT's hardware sales
because there are enough dealers that bend over backword to differentiate
themselves from the rest.  Even with $600 price the dealers might
pay for NS486, they can slap together a 66MHz 486 machine that is
competitive with NeXT hardware, and preload NS486, with satisfaction
guaranteed or money back.
Recent prices of local bus 486 machines are amazing.
And NS486 will sell the top of the line machines for them.

Certainly not all dealers will jump in, but enough will to eat into
NeXT's hardware sales.


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From: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman)
Subject: Re: How to convert BSD a.out files to Mach files using atom
To: Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU>
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 12:17:25 GMT

In article <gfNVIM200WB3QHXHhM@andrew.cmu.edu> Charles William Swiger <infidel+@CMU.EDU> writes:
   Atom converts executables and object files compiled for the NeXT in the
   BSD4.3 a.out format into the Mach-O format.  There is no way that it is
   going to be able to convert an executable compiled for a different
   machine into something runable on the NeXT.  (Why?  Amoung many reasons,
   the Sun executable likely was compiled for a different *CPU* than the
   680x0...)

   You will have to get the source code to whatever it is and recompile it
   for the program to run on your NeXT.  (Sorry...)

Not quite.  Actually it has been done with Sun binaries, but all
instances I remember have been two aeons (ie. operating system
versions) or more ago.  Of course the initial binary has to be a Sun-3
binary (ie. 680x0 code) and it certainly has to be statically linked
(aren't all Sun-3 binaries ?).  Doubtlessly there also are plenty of
programming constructs which break this, and possibly the black magic
which is needed to make it work is gone from modern NeXT OS
distributions.  All I am saying is that it has been done.

        Carl Edman

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From: kdbw@Comtech.com (Kevin D. Baranski-Walker)
Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!!
Organization: Comtech Labs Inc, Palo Alto
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:09:52 GMT

In article <SCOTT.93Jan24152924@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes:
>
>Ever heard of NeWS?  Which runs on Suns?  It's not _Adobe_ PostScript,
>but it is PostScript nonetheless.  Especially when looking over the
>client library calls, it looks more like DPS than not.  For instance, ...

I'm somone has a memory that spans beyond the past year :-)  NeWS was
quite powerful inasmuch as it was first running on the Sun 3/60 circa
1986 at a fairly respectable performance level.

>I use past tense above, because NeWS is apparently at an end.  Sun
>will still support it, but it is being supplanted by DPS.

SGI used a variant of NeWS as thier IRIX windowing system up until late
1991, pre IRIX 4.0.  I was actually saddened to see it's inevitable demise.
(The X community finally got shaped windows in R5, but of coarse NeWS had
it intrinsically from day one.)

>[Disclaimer: I found out most of what I know about NeWS _after_ having
>worked on the NeXT for a couple years.  So, perhaps I was seeing some
>similarities that weren't really there.  But I do think that NeWS was
>written with the DPS documentation in mind :-).]
>
>Later,
>--
>scott hess <shess@ssesco.com>                        <To the BatCube, Robin>
>12901 Upton Avenue South, #326  Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!

Better late than never Scott.  There are a couple of NeWS books under the
Sun titles that are still worth reading.

- kevin
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From: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com
Subject: NeXT Computer, Inc. (was Re: Business Week article)
Reply-To: Robert_La_Ferla@hot.com
Organization: Hot Technologies
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:39:35 GMT

It doesn't make any sense for NeXT to abandon their hardware product  
line nor is it something they can just do without serious perhaps  
fatal injury.  What is really happening is that NeXTSTEP is going  
head to head against Windows NT and it's going to get bloody.   
Fortunately, NeXT happens to have great ammunition.  NeXT's  
competitors would love it if NeXT dropped it's hardware line.

Realistically, NeXT has and should continue to put the "emphasis" on  
software and keep relatively competitive hardware.  In other words,  
they don't have lead in price/performance hardware but their software  
has to be killer.  Furthermore, I expect NeXT's hardware line to go  
high-end leaving the low-end to other hardware manufacturers.

BTW - Take this on good authority: If you have any doubts about NeXT,  
stay tuned - you're in for a big surprise.

Robert La Ferla
Hot Technologies

In article <1993Jan26.182207.198723@zeus.calpoly.edu>  
mrothste@keiko.acs.calpoly.edu (Rothstein) writes:
> In article <C1ArLs.A1C@utstat.toronto.edu>  
philip@utstat.toronto.edu  
> (Philip McDunnough) writes:
> > In article <1993Jan22.081439.24884@btree.uucp> bly@btree.uucp  
(Roger  
> Bly) writes:
> > 
> > [ ]
> > >
> > >Really looks like Steve is going to have to dump the hardware  
business
> > >to keep NeXT and NeXTStep going.  With deals in the works with  
Compaq,
> > >HP, etc. It looks like NeXT will be a software company by the  
end of  
> the year.
> > >But of course, software is where all the value/money is!
> > 
> > In my opinon dropping out of the hardware business would be a  
terrible 
> > mistake and a very real setback in computing to those who don't  
only  
> care
> > about speed.
> >  
> > [ ]
> > 
> > Philip McDunnough
> > University of Toronto
> > philip@utstat.toronto.edu
> 
> It is my feeling that a poliferation of NS on various platforms  
will help  
> not hinder the sale of NeXThardware.  As NS becomes more accepted  
and  
> people decide to go with it as on os then there will shurely be  
those  
> people(companies) who will pay to get their hardware and os from  
the same  
> source.  If a company has a video problem and has to deal with both  
NeXT  
> and some bizar 3rd party video card manufacturer to solve it that  
could  
> represent more time/money that just going to NeXT.
> --
> -Mont
> 
>    NeXTmail OK :-)
>    President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group)
>    mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
From: pat%expovision@cam.org (Patrique Lalonde)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Login and logout Hook
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:48:35 GMT

Hello Super NetLand,

I would like to know what exactly is a LOGIN HOOK and LOGOUT HOOK. 
How does it work and why should we use it.

Thanks in advance.

Pat

=====NeXT Mail
Patrique Lalonde
pat%cesar@cam.org
From: dave@downie.commerce.ubc.ca (David Downie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Mail questions
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:29:26 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: downie.commerce.ubc.ca

Two questions:

1.  How do you include a .sig file into outgoing messages.
2.  When you're replying to a message, is it possible to include the  
original message?

Thanks
From: mross@antigone.com
Subject: Re: Downloading mail by modem?
Organization: Antigone Press, San Francisco, CA, USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:42:22 GMT

James Meacham (jmeacham@world.std.com) wrote:
: Since I don't have my NeXT connected to a network (mine is a solitary and
: lonely machine) I have a dial-up internet accout.  Is there any way to
: download mail files and read them in 3.0's Mail.app?  I've tried this with
: pine and mm mailbox files, but I get a message that "this mailbox is of an
: old type".  I've wriiten a script that auotmates the download process, but
: it's pretty useless if I can't read the files. 

What you need is a uucp feed. I don't know if any public access Internet nodes will
do this, so might have to go the commercial route. Try Holonet (510-704-0160 voice,
or 510-704-1058 modem). They have dial-up numbers locally all over the country, and
are pretty cheap. The minimum is $6/month. I believe there's also a pretty hefty
one-time setup charge.

-- 
Michael Ross
Antigone Press, San Francisco, California
e-mail: mross@antigone.com
FAX: +1 415 431 3650
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From: peter@beast.math.ualberta.ca (Peter Karbaliotis)
Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata.
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:30:30 GMT

In article <7461@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas  
Scott) writes:
>I have given up attempting to submit the Gnu gcc 2.3.3 compiler to  
sonata.
>There just isnt enough room, even now that the old gcc version seems to  
have
>been removed.
>
>Do any of the other major submission sites have significantly more room  
(at
>least 5 Mb left)?
>
>
>-- 
>Douglas Scott                              (805)893-8352
>Center for Computer Music Research and Composition
>University of California, Santa Barbara
>Internet: (NeXTMail ok)   <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>

In the submissions directory on sonata:
-rw-r--r--  1 ftp          379 Jul 10  1992 Mods-Volume1.readme
-rw-r--r--  1 ftp      6605537 Jul 10  1992 Mods-Volume1.tar.Z

The latter file is just a collection of mods from wuarchive.wustl.edu.

Other files that could be removed are the 16.6 Meg of sound files in
sounds/snd.  Many of them seem to have come from alt.binaries.sounds.misc
and are probably archived at other sites (like wuarchive).

--
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When a particle you don't even know gives you momentum, that's impulse.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: dmitri@physics (Dmitri Linde)
Subject: Re: NeXT ModPlayers
Keywords: mod MOD players soundtrakker
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory, NM
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:37:22 GMT
X-Posted-From: physics.stanford.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1993Jan25.231007.20595@sfu.ca> krutten@shnext29.ucslabs.sfu.ca (TimeHunter) writes:
>
>Can anyone Email me the name and ftp location for a Mod player
>(soundtrakker, noisetrakker) for the NeXT?

sonata.cc.purdue.edu pub/next/submissions/ModPlayer_V2.5.tar.squfile
you will need UnSquashOnly to uncompress this file.
You can get it on the same site as pub/next/2.0/bin/UnSquashOnly.Z
After you get UnSquashOnly uncompress it and 
chmod +x UnSquashOnly

If you do not want to bother with UnSquashOnly then get
pub/next/submissions/ModPlayer_V2.4.tar
which is an older version, but works just as well.

Also get pub/next/submissions/Mods-Volume1.tar.Z which is a good collection
of .mod files. More .mod files in wuarchive.wustl.edu (probably
in amiga section) Most .mod files there could be uncompressed using
Opener.app on sonata.cc.purdue.edu.

Have fun!

Dmitri Linde
dmitri@physics.stanford.edu

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From: bacchus!eric (Eric Bloom)
Subject: Re: Pixel Magician 
Reply-To: eric@bacchus.com
Organization: Bacchus, Inc.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:17:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.222434.6950@gossip.urich.edu>  
littlepg@plato.NOHOST.NODOMAIN (bob littlepage) writes:
> 
> Somehow a demo copy of Pixel Magicican was loaded into our Nextstations 
> and now Pixel Magician comes up as the print previewer on all our  
Nextstations.
> How do I remove the link to Pixel Magician so that the original previewer  
comes
> up?
> 
> Thanks,
> bobel

Select a .PS file in the File Viewer. Bring up the Inspector ( Tools ->  
Inspector, from the menu ), then choose Tools from the pop-up list. Set Preview  
to be the default application for this file extension.

Eric Bloom
Bacchus, Inc.
eric@bacchus.com

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From: salim@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Salim Alam)
Subject: Need info on sharing NeXT HD w/ a Mac
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:40:56 GMT

Hi,

Would it be possible to have a hard drive partition in NS3.0 that could
be shared using a Mac Appletalk connection?  It this feasible at all?
I am planning on purchasing a large HD for my Nextstation and would like
to at some point use it with a Mac  -- ie, maybe store programs and data
on the shared partition and be able to use the Mac filesystem to access
it.  (BTW, I dont have NS3.0 installed yet).

Please reply by email. 

Thanks in advance.

-Salim

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From: tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro)
Subject: Re: Happy Man/Simsong &Mahoney Book
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 22:53:52 GMT

In <tlm.727558979@scl1.al.iastate.edu> tlm@iastate.edu (Tom Marchioro) writes:

>I wanted to order a copy of Simson's and Mike's book, but let the post from 
>the fellow at Happy Man expire (since he was offering such a nice deal I
>wanted to give him my business :)  Could some kind soul give me their 
>E-mail address?

>Thanks in advance --- Tom

THANKS EVERYBODY!  I got multiple copies and will get my (one) copy of 
the book this afternoon.

TLM
From: bizarre@clients-r-us.tamu.edu (Tom Swanner III)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: spurious DMA interrupt:
Date: 22 Jan 1993 19:59:43 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: clients-r-us.tamu.edu

I've been getting these on my console log lately...Any ideas?

spurious DMA interrupt: channel 0x2000110
spurious DMA interrupt: channel 0x2000110
spurious DMA interrupt: state 0x1000000 channel 0x2000110

Thanks,

Tom Swanner III
bizarre@clients-r-us.tamu.edu
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From: whr@lanl.gov (William H. Reed)
Subject: Printing on Nonstandard Sized Paper
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:08:11 GMT

I need to print on nonstandard sized paper (6.25 by 9 inches).  I load this  
paper into my NeXT printer, use the page layout panel to set the page width and  
height to these values, and then print.  The resulting output is not placed  
properly on the page.  I have tried this using Edit and FrameMaker with no  
success.  Does anybody know how to print correctly on nonstandard sized paper?

Bill Reed
whr@lanl.gov
Los Alamos National Laboratory
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Subject: Re: Sun to use DisplayPostScript!!!
From: scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:29:24
Organization: Is a sign of weakness
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.gac.edu
In-reply-to: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca's message of 24 Jan 93 16:18:49 GMT

In article <C1D9BE.AB7@cs.mcgill.ca>
	samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK) writes:
>I guess NeXT does not use DPS. 
>
>I guess they didn't pioneer it either. From what I gather
>it was NeXT's idea in the first place to use PostScript on
>the display. Everyone else thought that PostScript was too
>slow for an interactive display.

Ever heard of NeWS?  Which runs on Suns?  It's not _Adobe_ PostScript,
but it is PostScript nonetheless.  Especially when looking over the
client library calls, it looks more like DPS than not.  For instance,
psh, which many NeXT users are familiar with, was apparently one of
the first NeWS programs available.  The server was multi-threaded,
with separate contexts.  It had garbage collection.  You could connect
over the network.  It had it's own version of pswrap, cps, which
converted .cps files into .c files.  Sun has a NeWSPrinter (sp?) which
uses NeWS to rasterize and dumb printing engine to do the actual
printing.  In fact, it even used object-oriented stuff within the
server, something the NeXT doesn't do.  It also tended to put much
more functionality in the server via postscript routines, whereas NeXT
puts more emphasis on the client side (these both have advantages and
disadvantages, of course).  And there are probably more NeWS programs
out there than NeXT programs.

I use past tense above, because NeWS is apparently at an end.  Sun
will still support it, but it is being supplanted by DPS.

[Disclaimer: I found out most of what I know about NeWS _after_ having
worked on the NeXT for a couple years.  So, perhaps I was seeing some
similarities that weren't really there.  But I do think that NeWS was
written with the DPS documentation in mind :-).]

Later,
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12901 Upton Avenue South, #326  Burnsville, MN 55337 (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Getting more space on Sonata. (Ie, *BUY*ing more)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 17:15:01 GMT

In article <#+l3t8@rpi.edu> gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance
A. Drosehn) writes:

>While there are ways to squeeze more files into the standard NeXT-specific  
>FTP sites, I also like the idea of just buying some more room.  The other  
>methods would also be very welcome, but I don't believe it's fair to expect  
>everyone (the archive maintainers in particular) to spend increasing amounts  
>of time and energy trying to stuff more things into the same amount of  
>space.

>I'd be willing to send some money to both the purdue gang and the  
>cs.orst.edu gang to get some more real live disk space.  If enough people  
>sent something like $10-$20 (to each archive), they should be able to get  
>some extra disk space to alleviate the crunch.

Let's put it in motion.  On Monday, I will call Purdue and
Oregon State computing centers and find out if they are
amenable to this solution.

In the meantime, send me email (please, just email, not
postings) if you would contribute.  Do *not* send money yet!
Just tell me how much you would be willing to contribute.
If you are a developer who has or intends to have demos on
these two servers, please indicate your product names as
well.

I'm not sure it needs to be said, but don't say you'll
contribute unless you really will.

-- 
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From: bagchi@oosik.sprl.umich.edu (Ranjan Bagchi)
Subject: rtf -> ps
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:07:25 GMT

	Some background: we've got a new high-speed printer postscript
printer on campus which we're being encouraged to test.  I'm also
going through the Developer bookshelf, and while the on-line viewing
is nice -- maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned and while it's too much time
to print to the NeXT printer, this high-speed one?  Hmm...

	Anyway:  I realize that I can highlight titles in the Bookshelf
viewer, so I think I can get away with doing this for the selected titles
and using the print option.  Wrong!  A feature, I take it?

	So, there are some 30 titles from the bookshelf I'm interested
in hard copies of.  As far as I can tell there's no way to get a  
postscript file for all of them without opening each and printing.

	Help?

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From: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Subject: Re: Business Week article (NeXT to dump hardware)
Reply-To: byer@adobe.com (Scott Byer)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:08:19 GMT


Should NeXT continue to make hardware?

Not sure.  But consider this:

Would PostScript have been as successful if Adobe had stuck to the
original plan and made printers?

It is extremely difficult to license OEMs for software.  If they
think you're competing with them, it's darn near impossible.

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