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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:30:51 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA

jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman) writes:
: I have always said KILometer.  For me the analogy with the other
: (sub)multiples of a meter is overwhelming, and the analogy with various
: kinds of meters is irrelevant.  However, Webster's is right in saying
: that the stupid usage is by far the most common, and "the world goes its
: way past all who will not partake of its folly" (Dreiser).
: 
: A similar case is "iodine", which ought to rhyme with "chlorine" etc.,
: but in the U.S. at any rate usually rhymes with "fine".

Maybe it is chlorine that is mispronounced. Maybe it should be pronounced
"klo rine".

Bill
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From: grenade@ozrout.uucp (Kate McDonnell)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Date: 7 Oct 92 00:50:20 GMT
Organization: Andre P. Ozrout

John T Jensen writes:
>Likewise, everyone
>uses km/h (rather, the barbarism 'kay' as in 'wow, man, he was going 140 kay
>when he hit the power pole!') because the road signs are in km/h, the speed
>limits likewise.

Yes, but km/h doesn't have an obvious pronunciation, does it?

I have friends who call this "klicks" - "I was going seventy
klicks". Where does this usage come from? It seems a pretty
sensible one to me.


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Subject: Re: o.k. scifi
From: kmitche@eis.calstate.edu (Kenneth Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:47:42 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:
> In article <KETIL.92Sep27222303@svale.ii.uib.no>, ketil@svale.ii.uib.no (Ketil M. Malde) writes:
> 
> >The water holds 4 deg C at the *bottom* of the ocean.  At least, it
> >has its highest density at that temperature.  I suppose volcanoes and
> >the like could change the temperature somewhat.  Locally.
> 
> When did they replace the oceans with distilled water?
> 
> >I would think water would ger *warmer* not colder, due to increased
> >pressure.  This is just a feeling I have, may be wrong.
> 
> Only if work was done on the water as the pressure was increased.  Water's
> pretty incompressible.  I don't think the increased pressure would have a
> noticeable effect on temperature.

Right. The pressure of the water doesn't do any "work" on it, and so
doesn't increase the temerature. Look at it this way; if you were to take
surface water DOWN, then you'd compress it (some miniscule amount, but
SOME), and that would heat it, marginally. But the high-pressure water is
ALREADY DOWN THERE, and so temperature effects are paramount. 

What that all bils down to is that the deep ocean water (below about 2000
meters or so) is at 4 degrees Centigrade. Anything warmer or cooler will
be less dense, and will rise. Oh; the salinity is a constant at those
depths; it has almost NO effect. 

Ken Mitchell
kmitche@eis.calstate.edu
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From: nkjrm@taxus.uib.no (Rolf Manne)
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:51:21 GMT

The following was written and posted by myself a few days ago. It seems,
however, as if no postings from this site ever got outside Norway due to
an erroneous set-up of the news program. Therefore I re-post my message
knowing that some ideas have since also been expressed by others:

>Having been brought up with the metric system in Scandinavia I count gas 
>mileage in "liter per mil", one "mil" being 10 km.  Before Sweden and 
>Norway went metric in the 19th century there were national mile units
>which did not differ too much from 10 km. 

>I am told that Germans sometimes use a "metric pound" which is exactly
>0.5 kg. In the same way one could think of a 0.5 L as a "metric pint".
>For Norwegians "en halvliter" means a pint of beer.

>With the SI system the proper unit for gas mileage should be the
>square meter! Gas mileage (at least the way we do it in Scandinavia) is 
volume divided by distance which becomes surface. Think of the gas used as a 
>thread lying on the road which the car drives on. The surface of the
>cross section of that thread is the metric measure of gas mileage.
>The square meter is quite inconvenient, however. One "liter per mil"
>which is what I get out of my Toyota in city traffic corresponds to a cross
>section of 0.1 square millimeter.

>Rolf Manne
>Department of Chemistry, University of Bergen, Norway
>e-mail Rolf.Manne@uib.no

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From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:29:46 GMT
Reply-To: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

Not being entirely sure how to write American-style phonetic
spellings, I shan't attempt to follow the stuff about pronouncing
`centimetre'.

However, over the weekend I was struck by a further question in the
"accented O" discussion.  I raised the issue of pronunciation of the
American word micrometer (sic) meaning 1E-6 metre, and was told
"micron".  All very well - but what about nanometres (1E-9 metre),
commonly used (at least by laser physicists in my experience) to
describe the wavelength of light.

Do you have a word "nanon" too?
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U of Cambridge Computer Lab, Pembroke St, Cambridge  CB2 3QG, UK
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From: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Reply-To: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 14:16:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct07.005020.10624@ozrout.uucp> grenade@ozrout.uucp (Kate McDonnell) writes:
> I have friends who call this "klicks" - "I was going seventy
> klicks". Where does this usage come from? It seems a pretty
> sensible one to me.

Klicks has been military slang for kilometers since around WWII.  I never heard
it used for km/h before.
From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:55:59 GMT

grenade@ozrout.uucp (Kate McDonnell) writes:
: 
: I have friends who call this "klicks" - "I was going seventy
: klicks". Where does this usage come from? It seems a pretty
: sensible one to me.
: 

The times I've heard "klicks" used it just meant kilometers, and it was
always military people who used it that way.

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From: cshort@nmsu.edu (MetaPope, Internet in a Day Tour.)
Subject: Re: noise cancellation (was Re: using green marker on CDs)SCDOWN
Organization: Computing Research Lab
	<BvG0D1.66J@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> <1992Oct6.222201.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:07:36 GMT

>>>>> On 6 Oct 92 12:22:01 GMT, musjjh@lure.latrobe.edu.au said:


> Dave


musjjh> Several companies in the US and Australia are developing systems like this to
musjjh> deal with noise in cars and industrial noise on factory floors. They mostly
musjjh> work quite well, but I understand that the reason why you haven't heard
musjjh> much of them is .....

maybe they are working too well. 

c.



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From: ketil@spurv.ii.uib.no (Ketil M. Malde)
Subject: Re: o.k. scifi
Reply-To: ketil@ii.uib.no
Organization: student of computer science at the University of Bergen, Norway
	<mtpins.717481310@icaen.uiowa.edu>
	<1992Sep26.120059.14249@news.iastate.edu>
	<1992Sep27.230520.14990@cs.hut.fi>
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:21:46

In article <1992Sep27.230520.14990@cs.hut.fi> oahvenla@robin.cs.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) writes:
   
 ..and the temperature of the water were negligible, how did they
   stand the pressure? I may be confusing 'The Abyss' and _Leviathan_
   somewhat, as I saw them both very close to each other, so correct
   me if I'm wrong, but didn't they use some kind of special pressure
   suits in the beginning?  Should see them again, I have a very fuzzy
   picture of the details in both movies...

Pressure is usually not much of a problem.  Or to be more specific,
increasing the pressure isn't the problem.  The human body is mostly
fluid, i.e. incompressible, the only problems arise with the
air-filled cavities, mainly sinuses(?), gas in digestive system, ears,
and lungs.  Apart from the digestive system (which is 'soft', so it
doesn't matter if the air inside is compressed), all of these systems are
connected, so if you breathe air under the same pressure as the water
around you, (and keep swallowing/yawning to keep the passage to your
ears open) you should suffer no ill effects.

For the record, I think they (the military, of course, who else?)
recently had an experiment letting people out of a sub at 180m (~550
ft) to rise rapidly to the surface.  Apparently it worked well, except
for a(n English?) commando swallowing a gulp of air at 180m, which
expanded on the way up, bursting his stomach.


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From: treincke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Tim Reincke)
Subject: Re: eel skin wallets
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:12:33 GMT

I have had an eel skin wallet for one and a half years so far and I have had
NO problems with credit cards becoming demagnetized.  I put the cards 
into the built-in credit card pockets and do not use the plastic inserts for
the cards. 

This subject is completely ridiculous.   
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From: starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky)
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:19:23 GMT

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>: 
>: A similar case is "iodine", which ought to rhyme with "chlorine" etc.,
>: but in the U.S. at any rate usually rhymes with "fine".

>Maybe it is chlorine that is mispronounced. Maybe it should be pronounced
>"klo rine".

My first Chemistry teacher pronounced "iodine" to rhyme with "chlorine,"
"fluorine," etc.  I kinda liked the similarity (let's have all the halogens
rhyme!), so I tend to pronounce it that way.  Plus, it tends to bother
other people...something I seem to do a lot, judging from my posts to this
newsgroup.  (Sorry, guys.)

ObUL:  Everything you know about quantum mechanics is wrong.

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From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:43:25 GMT

I have always said KILometer.  For me the analogy with the other
(sub)multiples of a meter is overwhelming, and the analogy with various
kinds of meters is irrelevant.  However, Webster's is right in saying
that the stupid usage is by far the most common, and "the world goes its
way past all who will not partake of its folly" (Dreiser).

A similar case is "iodine", which ought to rhyme with "chlorine" etc.,
but in the U.S. at any rate usually rhymes with "fine".

Joe  jcf@world.std.com

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From: mmaster@parnasus.dell.com (Michael Masterson)
Subject: Re: eel skin wallets
Organization: Dell Computer Co
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 04:31:11 GMT

> Another idea on this eelskin thing is that the plastic sliding in and
>out of the wallet causes an electrostatic effect. When you rub glass
>with silk it produces a charge. Might not the same thing apply?

static != magnetism
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From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:39:16 GMT

In article <Bvw53L.n@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ccuppern@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Cyndi Cuppernell) writes:
>
>But here's one I have wondered about for years now.  I have heard
>nurses refer to a centimeter as a "SONtimeter", when talking.  And
>the nurses I heard saying this probably didn't know each other, so
>I doubt they got it from each other.  I don't think I ever saw them
>try to spell it.  Has anyone else heard this?  Or better yet, does
>anyone know of a possible source for this way of saying it?  How
>do the French say it?-- 
>                 
I also have heard my Dr. use "SONtimetre", and wondered about it.
This is similar to how it is pronounced in French, and there are a
lot of Francophones in the Ottawa area, but my Dr. is not French
himself, and I have never heard anyone else pronounce it this way.

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
(seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

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No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | hairs so well, I bought 
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From: gold@imp.sim.es.com (Bruce Gold)
Subject: Re: Metrication and "normal usage"
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:13:41 GMT

(Kate McDonnell) writes:
|> John T Jensen writes:
|> >Likewise, everyone uses km/h (rather, the barbarism 'kay' as in 'wow, man, he 
|> >was going 140 kay when he hit the power pole!') because the road signs are in
|> >km/h, the speed limits likewise.
|> 
|> Yes, but km/h doesn't have an obvious pronunciation, does it?
|> 
|> I have friends who call this "klicks" - "I was going seventy
|> klicks". Where does this usage come from? It seems a pretty
|> sensible one to me.
|> 
I first heard 'klicks' used as a reference to either kilometers or kilometers per
hour by members of the U.S. Army in the 1960s.  They seemed to think the term was
fairly officially sanctioned slang; part of the army's effort to move toward the
metric system.  The term 'clicks' was already in use for adjustable sights while
aligning or sighting in a rifle, but the two usages were disparate enough that
there was no confusion.  And it allowed soldiers to function with one fewer word 
in their operating vocabulary.
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				   Utah
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From: pacific@polari.online.com
Subject: Eel Skin Wallets
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:23:19 GMT

    Help!  This one really troubles me.....  Do eel skin wallets
really erase the magnetic properties of credit cards.  Is this real
or a hoax?


John Cohen
Puyallup, Washington
USA
From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Diamonds in my floor wax
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:18:18 GMT
Reply-To: craigb@ot.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com


ccuppern@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Cyndi Cuppernell) writes:
...
> How many different ways are there to distinguish a real diamond
> from a fake, acrylic or glass? -- 

While I never saw it or used it, my ex-wife (shortly after I
gave her her engagement ring)(hmmm....) told me about a machine
she saw at a jewelry store that had a panel that you just 
touched the stone to and it would indicate Diamond/Not Diamond.
I'm guessing it relied on the index of refraction.

Craig
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From: bob@pta.pyramid.com.au (Robert Vernon)
Subject: Re: "Normal" body temperature
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:02:57 GMT

In article <mcirvin.718325176@scws1> mcirvin@scws1.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) writes:
>                                until some Canadians pointed out to
>me that in Celsius, ten-degree increments correspond roughly to major
>subjective categories of temperature.  Zero is quite cold; 10C is cool;
>20C is comfortably warm; 30C and above is hot.  I use this
>as a mnemonic when interpreting Celsius temperatures now.  It makes
>a certain kind of practical sense. 

	-5 to +5C : freezing fives
	5  to 15C : ?????? tens
	15 to 25C : temperate twenties
	25 to 35C : thirsty thirties
	35 to 45C : fortifying forties

I can't remember the adjective I was taught for the tens.  Has anyone
seen this before and can correct it.


Bob V!
From: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: "Normal" body temperature
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:37:51 GMT
Reply-To: rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
Organization: U of Cambridge, England


In article <7492@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea
Wasp) writes:
[extension of list - incomprehensible in a climate moderated by the
gulf stream ;-]
|> >Derek "How long is a rod, perch or chain" Tearne
|> 
|> 	No one uses those except lawyers and surveyors these days,
|> and those only because a lot of old deeds were written in those
|> terms.

Actually, plots of land are regularly rented out by the pole in this
country (my wife rents a 10-pole allotment garden for growing
vegetables).

|> 	However, the more common non-metric units still in use:
|> 
|> 	inch: 2.54 CM
|> 	Foot: 12 inches
|> 	Yard: 3 feet (about 3 inches, or 7.6cm, short of a meter)
|> 	Mile: 5,280 feet (about 1.6 KM)
|> 
|> 	Ounce(solid): about 28 grams
|> 	Pound: 16 ounces, or about .45 kg

All very well.  But beware: from here on, the measures are US-specific
(or at least, certainly don't tally with what we use in the UK).

|> 	Ton: 2,000 lbs
|> 
|> 	Quart: just a little less than one liter
|> 	Gallon: 4 quarts
|> 	Cup: 4 fluid ounces
|> 	Pint: 2 cups
|> 	Quart: 2 pints or 4 cups
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From: eghenry@norton.uwaterloo.ca (Ethan Gregory Henry)
Subject: Re: Oranjelo
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:43:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.140530.29558@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie) writes:
> In article <91856@netnews.upenn.edu> crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford) writes:
> >
> >Nothing tops the Philippines for great names.  A few people I met when I
> >lived there:
> >
> >Bam Boom Hippolito
> >Strawberry Shortcake
> >Ding Dong Delacruz
> >Boy
> >Girl
> >Girlie (these people were middle aged)
> >Bong Bong (President Marcos' son; I didn't actually meet him)
> >
> 
> I met a girl from Indonesia called Beta. She was the second child. Her older
> sibling was called Alpha. Her younger siblings were Gamma, Delta, Epsilon
> (or whatever are the first 5 letters in the Greek alphabet, I think these
> are correct). Rather unimaginative.
> 
> 
> 
Well, I know two brothers, Alpha Centarus and Beta Pegasus.
Oddly enough, their father is a chemist...

Ethan "Does my name count?" Henry
Xref: sparky alt.folklore.urban:25568 soc.women:17660
From: DSTEPHEN@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,soc.women
Subject: Re: Women in groups
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:42:31 GMT
Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <Bw1Az1.LGC@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
catstyle@deja-vu.aiss.uiuc.edu (Jason R. Heimbaugh) writes:
>
>While we're on the subject of "vaginal secretions" is there an "official"
>medical term for them?

Look up "smegma" in your local dictionary.  It refers to a lot of unpleasant
material that collects in the antipodean parts of the body.

My brother once played on an intramural basketball team in college with the
euphonious name "Bongwater."  When a university official objected, they changed
the name to "Eat More Smegma."  The university newspaper always used "Eat More
S" when printing their scores.

If you doubt the veracity of this story, hey, this is my *brother* we're
talking about.
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From: starfish@stein.u.washington.edu (Sarah Skovronsky)
Subject: Re: Male Pregnancies
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:34:25 GMT

trif@bike.rad.washington.edu (To Run In Fear) writes:

>In article <1bd7erINNajq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> rxh6@po.CWRU.Edu (Randall Holt) writes:
>   ObReallyHappenedUL - A nurse I worked with once came into work, in a state 
>   of
>   partial shock, as her embarassingly overweight daughter had just given birth
>   to a 9-pounder that (so she claims) she didn't know she was carrying.

Do you mean the mother didn't know the girl was pregnant or the girl didn't
know she was carrying a child?  (Kind of hard to believe.  Read Stephen King's
"Carrie" for some insights into the latter.)

This was also the plot (part of the plot, at least) of an episode of the old
TV comedy/drama "E/R."  The girl was taken to the emergency room complaining
of "gas pains."  Quote from mother:  "She eats the wrong stuff.  See how fat
she is?"

>MoreUL:  When I was in high school, the story went around that a basketball
>player from another school had just given birth on the court shortly after
>she disrupted the game by going into labor, not ever having known she was
>pregnant.  Possible, I suppose---there was a girl who was in two of my 
>classes whom I did not know was pregnant (she sat next to me in one of those
>classes!) until someone told me one day that she wasn't in class because she
>had had her baby the night before.  The baby was a month premature, and she
>tended to wear baggy clothing, but she sure never looked pregnant.

That's not too surprising to me.  Evidently a relation of mine (who was
tall, thin, model-like) didn't look pregnant at all for most of her 9 months.
(This from other female relatives in the family.)

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