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From: lund@ssd.kodak.com (Nate Lund)
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?)
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: I have made an attempt at some...
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 08:14:02 GMT

In article <MARY.92Oct1095823@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>In article <23956@sybase.sybase.com> thorick@sybase.com (Thorick Chow) writes:

[...]

>   Last month my son and I attempted to get through security with a
>   'Super Soaker'.  You know, one of those white and neon-green
>   pump water-guns...  we were told that we couldn't bring that 'gun';
>   on as carry-on...   all cries of 'but it's a squirt gun' were for
>   naught...
>
>   sheeshh.. wasn't like we were flying to Boston or something
>   (where possession of a 'super soaker' is apparently against the law)...
>
>
>Thorick, I really thought better of you.  A few months ago some 
>snot-nosed little pissant got into a rant about how super soakers 
>are illegal in Boston and next thing you know they'll be telling 
>you what color Jockeys to wear.  This is about what one would 
>expect from some fool who never read anything but the National
>Enquirer, but I did think better of you.  If you check your facts
>you will find that Super Soakers are not and never have been illegal
>to possess or carry in Boston.  
>
>Of course, if it was your purpose to throw some gasoline on the 
>NRA fire, I suppose you will have succeeded admirably.
>

Ahem.  If I remember right, the mayor of Boston did ask stores to pull
super soakers from the store shelves, and my understanding is that two
large chains did comply with the request.

This is a little off charter, but the "fire" is not the NRA.  The "fire"
is the steady encroachment of _your_ rights.  No gun control law has
_ever_ been repealed in the history of these United States.  Ever.

To get it back on charter, those same people in "our" government who
wish to outlaw firearms also wish to outlaw martial art weapons, and
in many cases have been extremely successful.  (Witness nunchaku, etc.)

Paraphrase of a .sig seen in talk.politics.guns:

["A well informed electorate, being necessary to uphold a free democracy,]
[ the right of the people to own books shall not be infringed.           ]
[                                                                        ]
[ Would you conclude from this that only the government may own books?   ]

The only thing preventing the outright abolition of all gun control laws
is a supreme court that selectively refuses to hear a relevant case.

But perhaps I underestimate the extent to which the Supreme Court has
been bought and paid for.  (witness RICO, etc.)

I have set distribution to usa, followups to talk.politics.guns

>
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Nate
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(I speak for my self, not Eastman Kodak.)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Cost Differences???
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 18:01:44 GMT

In article <13385@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>I don't know anything about anti-traditionalism per se, but my concern is
>solely pragmatic, and has to do with expediency.  I have little patience with
>self proclaimed masters who leave much to be desired, but surround themselves
>with the aura of special knowledge.  Poltical expediency, in this case, is
>secondary to expediency in winning the fight.  Emphasis is on "martial."

	Some traditional teachers are willing to take challenges - so if you
doubt that it works, you can test it for yourself. If they lose, then maybe
they're charlatans - they win, then maybe they *do* know something you don't.
	In fact, I understand that when MA wasn't such a mainstream pastime,
folks had to prove their ability in combat before opening a school. The
Kuoshu tournament which was mentioned on this newsgroup is something from the
"old days" when schools proved their martial ability by beating up on each
other.
	It's all very traditional. :-)

--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Starting my martial arts "career"...
Originator: shulick@navajo
Reply-To: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:49:30 GMT


Well, as soon as I get a source of steady income, I'm going to start my MA
"career."  I was originally going to start out with hapkido, but I'm having
second thoughts.  Isn't it a good idea to start out with T'ai Chi Ch'uan, to
learn concentration, form, etc.?  Here in town, the local T'ai Chi place was
founded by C. C. Chen, if that means anything.  I'd like more info on T'ai Chi
Ch'uan, and general advice.  I basically want to learn how to defend myself,
and how to actually concentrate during a real fight, rather than be shakey and
unsure with fear or anticipation.  I'd also like to learn a few weapons when I
get to higher belts.  A friend said he'd teach me the basics of sai when I was
advanced enough, and I'm purchasing a pair of Shuko (is that it?) "cat" claws.
Anyway, if any of you have any advice, please e-mail me.  Thanks.

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to
shulick@indiana.edu | hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the
(NeXTmail welcome)  | essence of inhumanity."  --George Bernard Shaw
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: hylton@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (Core Dump ;))
Subject: Opinions wanted
Organization: Radford University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 22:39:36 GMT

Fellow Martial Artists,

  I have a burning question that rages within me, I hope some of you will care
to answer/give opinion/give personal experience.  I have been trying to learn
Martial Arts (preferably kung-fu and chi-kung) for about 8-9 years now.  I have
taken instruction with a Shotokan instructor, a Judo Instructor, an Instructor
here at RU, and a Choy Li Fut teacher.  The problem is I haven't had the time
and/or money to learn, or they haven't had the time and/or money to teach.

  I have been off and on with each instructor (and it's a very long story) and
with stuff I made up on my own.  I made up my own with the intent to develop and teach
my own TYPE of "kung fu".  I have been told that what I have "developed" so far
ain't too shabby.  This came from a brown belt sparring partner I had a few years back.  I don't want to go into any further details unless I am asked otherwise.  Because the whole story IS very long.  Here is my problem now.

  At the very end of last semester is when I found out about the Choy Li Fut teacher.  I only worked with him for about five 2 1/2 to 3 hour sessions.  Then I 
I thought I would stop developing my style, and just learn his.  Well, I went home for summer break.  When I came back, I went to see my teacher, and he said due to circumstances he wasn't sure he could continue my training but he'd work on
it and see.  I believe he has and probably still is trying to work it out, but
it's been 2 weeks now, and I get the feeling I'm on my own again.

  I just want to know what you think about my developing and teaching my own 
"home grown" style.  I mean, afterall, somebody developed the style that you are
currently taking and/or have mastered.  Will I be giving people bad self defense?

  I hope you can understand what I am trying to get across to you, I'm definitely not a very good person who can communicate my ideas well when it comes to writing them. I would prefer you to answer me by e-mail. The reason is I don't get
a lot of time to read the news and miss a lot of articles.  If you were to answer me on the newsgroup, chances are I'll miss it.  (Seeing how my luck with training with instructors isn't too swift.)

  Whatever happens, this is a great newsgroup and I have throughly enjoyed reading from it. (When I get time.)  As of now, unless my teacher says he's found the
time; I have decided to use all that I have learned from each instructor and build my style around them.  Please no flames. I just need truthful opinions and 
experiences.

Thanx in advance for your time,

Michael Hylton
Martial-Artist (Instructor/teacher) Wanna be
E-Mail: hylton@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: eisen@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Carl West)
Subject: Re: Butterfly Knife
Reply-To: eisen@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Carl West)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:25:37 GMT


Thanks to the people that helped with my question. It seems that
Balisong butterfly knives are being made by Benchmade Knives in Oregon
under a patent granted to Lester De Asis of California in 1982 that
covers a _particular_ way of constructing the handles.

Carl

When I stop learning, bury me.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: rcoulter@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (R Craig Coulter)
Subject: Katanas and other Blades
Reply-To: rc2d@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (R. Craig Coulter)
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU
Distribution: rec.martial-arts
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 22:55:34 GMT


I am looking for a book or series of books on the *manufacture* of
traditional Japanese blades. I am interested in the katana as well
as its less-famous cousins... I am interested in both modern
and older manufacturing techniques (I don't even know if there is a 
difference - I would guess that there is.) as I would like to become 
more proficient at judging quality in anticipation of purchasing a blade.


Thanks,
R.
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Aikido-U.S. & Japan
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:31:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Sep29.163107.21255
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

><oops, deleted an attribution...>
>>>Also, in Aikido, are there any techniques for kicks?  I have not come
>>>across any in my limited studing.
>>> 

with regard to low kicks (thai, wing chun type), evading and/or jamming are the
two options that come to mind. quite difficult to evade some of those thai leg
attacks though. 

basic aiki movements help somewhat against stomach and higher kicks but 
you would have to work with someone who
has good kicking ability to really develop a strong defense against kicks.

while on the subject of kicks, how do our friends in aikijujutsu deal with
them? andy? anyone?

-mukund
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,rec.arts.tv
From: markb@cimage.com (Mark Bernstein)
Subject: Re: Kung Fu TV series
Organization: Cimage Corp, Ann Arbor, MI
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 13:33:16 GMT

Frank Wong (fwong@bnr.ca) wrote:
: 
: I found this list on the net and though that other r.m-a'ers would enjoy it.
: There was an article in the March '92 issue of Black Belt about a new
: Kung Fu TV series, called Kung Fu : The Legend Continues , or something like
: that. David Carradine stars again, playing the great grandson of Kwai Chang
: Caine. The series is set in modern day times.  Shooting of the episodes
: started in June, and was by an independant production house, much like
: Star Trek The Next Generation. So it would not be dependant on the TV    
: Networks for support.  Carradine was talking about syndication.
: Anyone out there know if the series got made and sold ?

	OK, here's the scoop as I know it.  In February, 1993, Warner Bros.
is going to launch a new "Warner Network", using pretty much the same
strategy Fox used.  They'll be signing up independent stations, and
starting with a single night of programming.  (I forget which night, but
I'd bet on Saturday or Sunday.)

	There will be three shows, each one hour, in the Warner lineup.
the new "Kung Fu" is one of them.  The other two are "Time Trax", an
SF action-adventure about (I think) a cop from the future in our time,
and "Babylon 5".  B5 is the creation of J. Michael Straczynski, former
story editor of the new "Twilight Zone" series, and currently producer
of "Murder, She Wrote".  JMS has been working to push this project
through Warners for the past five years.  The series is
set on a space station that's jointly run by a council of five races,
one of them humans.  (And FYI, the project was announced publicly
two months before the first announcement of ST: Deep Space Nine).

	(My source on all this is postings by JMS to the CompuServe
SF Forum.)

Mark Bernstein
markb@cimage.com
From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Question about Lovret's _Student's_Handbook_
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:35:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: craycos.1992Sep29.153505.16145
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Sep28.203613.17505@muddcs.claremont.edu> wcarone@jarthur.claremont.edu (Bill Carone) writes:
>Impressed with Sensei Lovret's _The_Way_and_the_Power_, I have been 
>searching for his _Student's_Handbook_. I have not been able to locate
>it, and was hoping that someone could get me some information on how
>I should order it or where I should look to find it. Thanks in advance 
>for _any_ info.

Lovret-sensei published _The_Student's_Handbook_ himself, i.e., he started
a company (Taseki Publications) to print it. I believe it is out of print
now, although you could write to Taseki Publications in San Diego for more
information. I've heard that there's a second edition of _Budo_Jiten_ in
the works, as well (considerably revised and expanded).

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: On Explaining Aikido
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:52:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.151612.493@PA.dec.com> stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark) writes:
>The aspects that are too subtle or complex to explain with simple physics
>are quite easy to describe with metaphor and imagery.  In this respect, 
>it is quite useful, but not absolutely essential to use the vital force 
>concept.

Actually (speaking for chi gung, not its Japanese analog...) it might
be usefull to explain the very basics of the concept in physical 
terms, and in a hand-waving way argue that the rest could also be
so explained, but it is easier to think in terms of the metaphor.
This is a way around resistance to the "mystical" nature of the subject...

                                                Frank Crary
                                                CU Boulder
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: odds@edb.tih.no (Odd Duvald Stokvik,o92b)
Subject: Re: Oyama
Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.05.15  1.20 (running under MS-Windows)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:52:23 GMT

In article <9213597.1.717948569@clement.info.umoncton.ca>, 9213597@clement.info.umoncton.ca (STEPHANE LEBRUN) writes:


>Is anyone here in the World Oyama Karate organization?
Yes, there are several of us, but we haven't used the conference
that much. But any questions (or lectures, whatever), let us 
others hear about it, and we will try to reply the best we can....

Odd Stokvik, Kyokushin-fighter....



Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: wcarone@jarthur.claremont.edu (Bill Carone)
Subject: Question about Lovret's _Student's_Handbook_
Summary: Everyone tells me it's out of print. Where specifically can I order it.
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:36:13 GMT

Impressed with Sensei Lovret's _The_Way_and_the_Power_, I have been 
searching for his _Student's_Handbook_. I have not been able to locate
it, and was hoping that someone could get me some information on how
I should order it or where I should look to find it. Thanks in advance 
for _any_ info.

Bill.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,rec.arts.tv
From: ddukhovn@nyx.cs.du.edu (The Great Harlequin)
Subject: Re: Kung Fu TV series
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:28:56 GMT

About Circle of Iron again, did anyone like the bit about the mirrors?

Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Model Mugging (long)
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:52:44 GMT


	Okay...off onto a philosophical tangent:

In article <1a0gn7INNm0q@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> turnbull@ces.cwru.edu (John Turnbull) writes:
>	I'm not convinced that violence is a normal part of life. Maybe I'm
>just lucky, but I have not been in a violent confrontation at all, although
>there may have been some situations which could have turned violent (but I'll
>never know now). Basically it seems to me that for the most part one can live
>without violence, or maybe I'm just lucky so far.

	Well, violence isn't a common part of life for the average Usenet
reader (especially for folks in the .EDU domain!) - but conflict is extremely
common and natural. In a society, most people play by the rules, and conflict
rarely develops into violence.
	But they're just rules - just like the rules in some no-contact, point
tournament. If you get complacent, then someday, someone who doesn't play by
the rules will give you a nasty surprise.
	Here in the DC area, there was a person who killed someone for $15 -
more alarming, there was a person willing to GET KILLED for $15. I guess he
figured that no reasonable person would kill him for such a pathetic amount
of money.
	They were playing by 2 different sets of rules.

	I don't know if anyone "won" this encounter - but I can tell you who
lost.


--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
From: gronberg@charm.physics.ucsb.edu (Jeff Gronberg)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Taido/Hakamas(hopping)
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:24:56 GMT
Reply-To: gronberg@charm.physics.ucsb.edu (Jeff Gronberg)
Organization: UCSB Physics Department

In article <1992Oct1.173943.22499@PA.dec.com>, stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com
(Todd I. Stark) writes:

|> Also, keeping both feet on the ground at
|> all times (a common principle in Aikido) is reinforced because of the 
|> threat of getting a foot tangled in the material if you raise a foot
|> and do any kind of skipping movement.   Ankle injuries made me acutely
|> aware of this soon after I started wearing this thing as a customary part
|> of the first Dan test in Aikido.  
|> 
|> Kicking is obviously a potential problem, but groundwork is also downright 
|> awkward in a long 'skirt.'   
|> 
|> 								todd
|> 

In the Ki Society style of aikido most motion involves hopping or
skipping and there
are rarely any people who trip over their hakamas.  It just takes a
little getting used to.

	Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: t'ai chi question
Date: 28 Sep 1992 20:11:05 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <luanne.717439008@hq> luanne@Pt.hq.af.mil (LuAnne Meyer) writes:
>Does anyone kknow or have any theories on the application of the
>hook in yang style t'ai chi?

Common Yang style applications include blocking and trapping kicks (the
fingers are grouped to prevent dislocation), snapping backfist techniques,
and pressure point attacks.

Chen style also includes Mantis-style arm-trapping techniques with the 
hook.



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From: psun@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter C. Sun)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Akido -vs- Akijitsu
Date: 3 Oct 92 03:17:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


	Can someone please explain to me the difference between Akido 
	and Akijitsu? A local school teaches Akijitsu which i'm
	completely unfamiliar with... what are the differences?
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: 9213597@clement.info.umoncton.ca (STEPHANE LEBRUN)
Subject: Oyama
Organization: Universite de Moncton
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:09:30 GMT

Is anyone here in the World Oyama Karate organization?
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: R3TLM@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU
Subject: has anyone ever heard of...?
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:47:29 GMT

 
    I'm looking for a good school in my part of the world and there are
very few kung fu instructors. What I want to know is whether anyone knows
anything of Kwan Ying Do? If you have, please e-mail me anything you can tell
me about it.
                                       Thanks,
                                       Timothy McCollum
From: mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: one to ten in korean
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:17:11 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: drury@helix.nih.gov's message of 6 Oct 92 18:14:13 GMT


[various people telling us that "hana", "dool", etc. IS "one", "two", etc.
 and that "il", "i" ISN'T "one", "two", etc. deleted]

I posted about this not two months ago, but hey, this is Usenet, which
means that if we can learn a lesson once we can by God learn it 20 or 30
times over.  

Korean has TWO number systems.  One is the good ol' "hana, dool" etc
that you're used to hearing your instructor yell out at you.  My
old Korean teacher called these "counting numbers".  The other numbers
are "il", "i", etc.  

A lot of people mistakenly equate those with the cardinal numbers (one,
two, three) and the ordinal numbers (first, second, third) in English.
In fact, it's not quite like that.  According to my Korean teacher, 
both are cardinal numbers meaning "one", "two".  The best explanation my
teacher could come up with was, "You use one kind of numbers for
some things and the other kind for other things." ;-)  She did say
that "hana" etc. are more often used when you are counting something,
but other than that she didn't have a real good rule.  

The thing that may have caused the initial confusion is that sometimes
"il", "i" are used where we in English would say "first", "second", etc.
For example, the names of months are "irwol", "iwol", "samwol", etc.  
If we were to talk about months by number, we'd probably say "third
month" rather than "three month"...but I still don't think this makes
them into ordinal numbers, because they're also used in situations
where we would use cardinal numbers.  

To further confuse matters, there is a suffix "il" that is added on 
to the end of the "il" etc. numbers.  This suffix has the effect of
making them into cardinal numbers.  So, "sam" is "three", "samil"
is "third".  

Now that we're all fatally confused, perhaps we could stop telling
each other that "il", "i" etc aren't Korean numbers.  They are...it's
just that TKDists are mostly used to hearing the counting numbers 
"hana", "dool", etc.



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