From: rlc1028@zeus.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Secular & Religious Babble (Re: Lifestyle Choices and Secular Reasoning)
Date: 3 Jan 1993 12:08 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
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In article <C095nK.82y@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l) writes...
|lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
| 
|>I'm sitting 10 feet from a machine that can produce 3d images of your
|>internal organs, it was designed by secular reasoning.
| 
|And it was designed in a country founded upon a belief in God.  The 
|country founded upon atheism and a belief in man no longer exists.

	More like, it was designed in a country founded on a belief
in freedom and equality, endowed by a god.  Of course, this believe 
is not exactly supported by God's Word.  God, after all, didn't think
much of the freedom of those who didn't kiss His Ass or the person
riding on it.


|Sorry, that isn't what she said.  She said that no individual should be
|considered incompetent until proven otherwise.  Didn't say a word about
|parents being there to provide for and protect children.  In fact, she
|believes that at least one of those parents is a slave due to the fact
|that marriage is an institution comparable to slavery, according to 
|Ms. Clinton.

	Did she make such a sweeping, general statement as that?  That's
terrible.  Do you have documentation of this?  I'd like to read it.


|Again, sorry, but that fits your mentor's preconceptions about slavery
|a lot better than it does any religion's conceptions about the purpose
|of marriage and family.  There exists no religion of which I am aware
|which holds that children are property and/or that a parent's 
|decision to abandon said children is acceptable.  

	Hmmm.  The Bible says that if a couple has an unruly son
who just won't settle down, the family can send him to the community 
to be stoned to death.  If that's not abandonment, I don't know what 
it.  Oh, now I know you'll probably say that the kid also "abandoned"
the parents.  Possibly, but that doesn't negate the parents' abandoning 
the child.


|>Why can anyone religiously object to sex between a 10 and 30 year old
|>who are married and have sex only in the correct positions? After all
|>the bible doesn't mention intergenerational sex.
| 
|Are they married?  

	Speaking in a religious tone, if two people, say age 10 and 30
got married in a religious service, then could there be a religious 
argument against them?  


|All the religions of which I am aware require sex to
|take place within marriage. 

	I don't know of any religions that require sex to take place
withing a marriage.  There are some married couples who don't have sex,
you know.



|I didn't know 10-year olds were considered to be of marriageable age.

	Possibly not, at least not now.  Of course, the Virgin Mary is 
estimated to have been around 13 or 14.  That was then, though.  Before 
the institution of the marriage ceremony, sex was often considered a
final consumation of the nuptial bonds.



|>If two related people want to have sex and not produce kids thats fine
|>with me. 
| 
|Another one joins in.  

	What?


|has NONE of her DNA.  DNA has nix, zero, nada, zilch, empty set, goose egg
|to do with parenthood, according to secular reasoning.

	Except in a paternity suit.


|>>What about infibulation, the practice of mutilating female genitalia
|>>that is common in Africa?  Secularly speaking, we have no right to 
|>>condemn another culture's practices. 
| 
|>Who said that? 
| 
|Secular logic.

	Secular logic is as diverse as religious reasoning.  Secularly 
speaking, we can condemn anything we please.

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