From: dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Idbil Fubar)
Newsgroups: alt.feminism
Subject: Re: Feminism and Pornography
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:02:49 GMT
Organization: UB

el27166@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (This Space for Rent) writes:

>Since "Men's Magazines" are directed toward a male audience, wouldn't
>it be great if they had feminist articles and ideas on sex?  I think
>that many men would really care about what women think about sex and
>relationships.  Make sense?  I would like to see the natural beauty of
>a woman through a woman's perspective.

Last several times that I read femenist magazines I didn't see any articles
that pertained to men and how they think (well at least in any sort of 
positive light).  And in fact there are articles by women on what 
women think about.  Most of such matters though deal with creating a 
society that is free from it's hangups with sex (meaning the act of sex...not
the state of being one or another).

>And in the process, the articles can portray women as competent writers,
>and real people who are comfortable with their sexuality.  Changing
>the way we think also changes what we regard as attractive.  Perhaps,
>successful, intelligent, and competent women will become the stereotypical
>attractive traits for a sexy woman.  What makes a man attractive to
>a woman?  What makes a woman attractive to a man?

That is kind of broad based eh?  I find that what I see as being attractive
in a woman is different than other men...and likewise with all men.
Change comes on many levels...I don't know if Playboy is a place to start.

>The definition of "attractive" is fickle.  Look at the paintings of
>fat women from the Renaissance.  Were they just "fat women" then?
>NO!  They were BEAUTIFUL women!  But things change.  Back then, if
>you were rich enough to eat excessively without moving, you were
>attractive--- because wealth is attractive.  If you stayed indoors
>and your skin was blanched, you were more attractive than those those
>sun tanned peasants who worked the fields.

Personaly I don't give a shit about skin color.  If you actually read
these magazines most of the women are actualy very fair in complexion.
It changes all the time!  And if you think that only women have a 
problem with looks ask a computer geek or two about their love lives.
Everyone has a problem with not looking "Ideal".  

>Now... it's attractive to be thin and have a nice tan.  Why?  Well,
>everyone has enough to eat, but not everyone is wealthy enough to
>have leisure time to work out and go on Carribean vacations.  Our
>supermodels?  They're SWIMSUIT models!  Is there a reason for this?
>(Other than showing their skin!)  Sure, swimming is an EXPENSIVE leisure
>activity.  RIch people have pools in their yards;  Richer people
>live on the coast of a lake.

Poor people wear swimsuits and lay out in the sun too...It doesn't deal
with money either...Plus as has been said...Tan isn't really IN anymore.
People are realising the dangers of tanning (plus with the increacing 
danger of cancer with the deterioration of the ozone layer (or so I'm told))
and concidering alternatives.

>Now, if attractiveness is tied so closely to wealth, I predict that
>soon, our stereotypical attractive woman will change once more.  It
>will not be the happy homemaker of the fifties.  Rather, in the year
>2000, attractive will be those women who have careers, and who can
>double the income of a family. 

They are now...I don't like boring uninteligent homemakers...I like someone
that I can talk to and debate with.  It adds so much to a relationship.

>Those women are intelligent, sensitive, competent, and wealthy!

THAT my friend is a stereotype...that is saying that no one else in the world
deserves to have a relationship.

>Women with careers are a growing minority.
>And with this new change, there must be a change in the way men think
>about these women.  I believe that after the Backlash, that men will
>truly appreciate the new woman of the millenium.  After all, it's always
>been the rich minority to set the standards of what's attractive.

It isn't new...it has been going on for a long LONG time...slowly but
accelerating.  You seem to be stretching for your generalizations here...
kind of a good point but I don't see how much of this fits together...It 
almost (ALMOST) reminds me of those witch hunters on the christian networks.
(not to mention that people still think that witches are female satan 
worshipers!  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :)

  -Padriag

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