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From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Kirilitsa
Date: 7 Nov 92 12:16:40 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <vassil.721001850@cs.wisc.edu> vassil@mary-ann.cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev) writes:

[deleted]

>Ima oshte edno i to e pochti fonetichno (v angliyskiya pone): w
>>	Az predpochitam y, no q syshto e chitaemo.

Izglezhda az ste se suglasya sus w :-). Sujaliavam no "q" me smustava prez
cialoto vreme.

[deleted]


>Predpolagam, che mnogo ot horata s dostwp do News imat Unix na
>razpolojenie, a zaedno s tova i LaTeX. Az lichno ponyakoga iskam da
>otpechatam nyakoi neshta na bwlgarski, no kirilicata na LaTeX e mnogo
>neudobna.

Naistina i az se otakzah da si igraya s neya :-(.

> Izhoda e da pisha s transkripciyata, koyato polzvam v momenta i
>sled tova da prerabotya teksta s pomoshtta na C programa.

Za po-murzelivite, moje bi ste spodelish tazi programa? Veroyatno e ne
poveche ot 20-30 reda + edna tablica?

> Zasega programata
>ima problemi samo sws `sh' i `s-h', no izglejda, che dumite sws s-h sa
>ryadkost.

Moje bi kompromis sws "x"? Ima nesto obshto po zvuchene sus 'sh' ... :-(

>a,b,v,g,d,e,j (ne moga da izpolzvam zh, poradi mnogoto dumi sws z-h),z,
>i,y,k,l,m,n,o,p,r,s,t,u,f,h,c (ne mozhe ts, poradi mnogoto dumi sws t-s),
>ch (samo Ichak i Chinvali imat c-h), sh (ima poveche dumi sws s-h, no
>vse pak mislya, che sa izklyucheniya, koeto znachi che mogat da se
>razpoznayat kato takiva ot bwdeshti versii na programata), sht, w(q),
>y (nyama problem, zashtoto upotrebata na i-kratko i er-malwk e vzaimno
>izklyuchvashta se), yu, ya.

Imash v predvid, che er-malwk e sledvan ot 'o' i togava programata ti ne go
prevrwshta v i-kratko?

>Twy kato mnogo hora izpolzvat q vmesto w za er-golyam, programata razpoznava
>i dvata varianta.

Dobre.


>Nakraya imam slednoto predlozhenie: kogato se postvat stihotvoreniya ili
>drugi literaturni proizvedeniya, da se izpolzva tazi shema, za da mogat te
>da bwdat otpechatani i/ili da bwdat prevwrnati vwv PostScript format.

Triabva da im svikneme :-). Imam oste 2 - 3 stihotvorenia da vi pusna, no
yavash, yavash ...


>P.S. Mozhe dori da izdadem antologiya na SCB :^)))

Zashto pwk ne?

Pozdravi

Luben


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Latin->Cyrillic map
From: lihouba@dapsas1 (Christo Houbaviy)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 18:00:20 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computing Centre

In article <1dcqvdINN1q6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ak005@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Yona Webb) writes:
>
>Hello Everybody,
>Here is my version of the Bulg. Alphabet expressed with Latin Letters:
>
> a           e           k           p           f           sht
> b           j           l           r           h           a
> v           z           m           s           tz          -
> g           i           n           t           ch          ia
> d           i or y      o           u           sh          iu
>
>

[stuff deleted]

>       _
> /I    'I_            fonetichno, tezi 2 bukvi chesto zvuchat ednakvo.
>/~I ==  I_I == [a]    V izrAzA:  "Shte kajA nA bAshta ti",
>                           1 2            3  4  5
>
>                      5 ot 7  <A>  se proiznasiat pochti kato  [er-goliam],
>                      zashtoto  <a>  v neudarena srichka se proisnasia
>                      kato  [er-goliam].
>
>                      Dokato  <q>  e saglasna bukva i zvuchi na pochti
>                      vseki ezik  -K- , dosta trudno e da ia vazpriema
>                      kato glasna bukva, koiato poniakoga ima podoben
>                      zvuk na <A>.
>
>                      Opitaite i shte vidite che  [a]  se chete
>                      monogo po-lesno i po-barzo kato  [ep-goliam]
>                      otkolkoto  <q> <@> <y> ...


Vjarno e che [a] chesto se proiznasja kato 'er-malqk'. Problemite se
poluchavat v obratnija sluchai, osobeno kogato 'er-malqk' e pod
udarenie. Naistina v povecheto sluchai 'a' stoi dobre, kato naprimer v:

	45 godini vazhod :-) , vartolet , vapros

V drugi sluchai, obache, [a] e dosta nepriemliva transkriptsija, i se
nalaga izpolzuvaneto na [u]:

	Hizha Bunderitsa, put (pqt), vruh (vrqh), kruchma (krqchma)

Da ne govorim za dumi kato qgql (ne moga da izmislja priemliva
transkriptisja za tazi duma).

Spored men e po-dobre da ima edna fiksirana bukva vmesto dve. Shto se
otnasja do [q] v angliislija ezik to se sreshta obiknoveno v kombinatsija s
[u], kato naprimer v 'quarter'. Na bqlgarski obache 'er-goljam - u' se
sreshta mnogo rjadko (if at all), a shto se otnasja do kombinatsijata
'ku' mnogo rjadko njakoi shte ja transkribira kato 'qu'.

Samijat az bjah dosta smuten, kogato za pqrvi pqt vidjah [q] da se
izpolzuva za 'er-goljam', no dosta bqrzo sviknah i namiram che e dosta
udobno.  V kraja na kraishtata vseki, koito govori bqlgarski shte
razbere kakvo znachi q-to v edin tekst.


>What do you think?
>Yona
>--

XP|/|CTO

--
Christo Houbaviy [lihouba@dapsas.weizmann.ac.il]
Department of Molecular Genetics and Virology
The Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot, Israel
From: dsears@cie.uoregon.edu (Douglas Sears)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: tambura tuning
Date: 13 Nov 1992 19:53:59 GMT
Organization: Snappy Software Co.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cie.uoregon.edu

In article <28120@castle.ed.ac.uk> albion@castle.ed.ac.uk (D J B Hunter) writes:
>Our Bulgarian dance group in Edinburgh has been getting into playing
>music too. One of our number, on a recent trip to Bulgaria, purchased a
>tambura, but he's not sure what is the correct tuning for the four
>double strings - different people have made different suggestions.

I don't claim to be authoritative, but the tambura player in my group says
they are usually tuned the same as the top four strings on a guitar.
Bill Cope wrote a booklet plus cassette on playing the Bulgarian tambura
that he sells for about US$20.  If anyone is really interested, they can
email me, and I'll look for ordering information.

  --Doug

-- 
Doug Sears      dsears@cie.uoregon.edu      (503)343-8943
From: sutin@ra.UCSC.EDU (Brian Sutin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: tambura tuning
Date: 13 Nov 1992 22:22:31 GMT
Organization: Lick Observatory UCSC
NNTP-Posting-Host: ra.ucsc.edu

In article <28120@castle.ed.ac.uk> albion@castle.ed.ac.uk (D J B Hunter) writes:
>
>music too. One of our number, on a recent trip to Bulgaria, purchased a
>tambura, but he's not sure what is the correct tuning for the four
>double strings - different people have made different suggestions. Are
>Cait

Each of the set of double strings (a "course") is tuned to the same note.
The strings are doubled in order to give more volume, and a slightly more
full sound.

The tuning of the courses is either in fourths or fifths.  Fifths are
traditional for almost all Italian based instruments (violin, mandolin,
etc).  The popularity of the spanish guitar, where all the jumps except
one are fourths, has caused many people to retune instruments which are
traditionally in fifths to fourths (ie, tenor or plectrum banjo).  I have
seen the tambura (which, I think, was brought into Bulgaria by the Turks)
tuned in either one.  I have heard arguments about which was truly
traditional, which leads me to believe that everyone here in America is
hopelessly confused.

You can tell which the instrument was strung for originally by looking at
the string guages, since the strings, if tuned correctly, will all have
the same tension.  The frequency is inversely proportional to the radius of
the string, so if the instrument is in fifths, the ratio of the diameters of
the lightest and heaviest strings should be greater than 3, but for fourths,
less than 3.  Isn't science wonderful?

Brian Sutin				sutin@lick.ucsc.edu
Lick Observatory, UCSC			Santa Cruz, CA 95064
    Fred:   "May I rescue you?"
    Ginger: "No, thank you.  I prefer being in distress."
From: mintches@cs.man.ac.uk (Sava Mintchev (DRL PhD))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: transliteration of Bulgarian
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:42:25 GMT
Reply-To: mintches@cs.man.ac.uk (Sava Mintchev (DRL PhD))
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester

In article <92314.094520IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
|> I received a message from
|> wostrack@kri.uni-koeln.de
|> 
.............
|> So my proposal for the transcription is:
|> 
|> a b v g d e z^ z i j k l m n o p r s t u f h c c^ s^ s^t a^ j ju ja
|> 
|> A B V G D E Z^ Z I J K L M N O P R S T U F H C C^ S^ S^t A^   Ju Ja
|> 
.............
|> Pozdravi,
|>  Andreas

A very good idea! This transcription is easy to read, and I believe it
is fairly standard. A minor detail: perhaps use "y" instead of "j" to
denote "er mala^k", just to ensure one-to-one correspondence. I think
we can assume that "s^" is never followed directly by "t" (note e.g. the
apostrophe in "nas^'te"), and similarly for "i", "u" and "j", "a", so
no ambiguity arizes there.

My vote is for this transcription; I'd kindly ask anybody who writes in
Bulgarian to use this style.

Regards,
Sava
From: mlh6@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael L. Haynes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Learning to speak
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:43:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


A friend of mine in Cleveland, Oh. is currently preparing to
spend some time in Bulgaria and wishes to learn the language.
unfortunately0, she has had some trouble finding classes or texts. 
She speaks several languages and learns them quickly but needs to 
find either a class or a benevolent teacher.  Does anyone have 
suggestions as to how she might find a class in the area?

Any help would be appreciated

		thanks 

			Mike Haynes
			mlh6@po.cwru.edu
From: dim2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Alexander Dimitrov)
Subject: Re: transliteration of Bulgarian
Reply-To: dim2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:28:06 GMT

In article <92314.094520IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO11412@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>I received a message from
>wostrack@kri.uni-koeln.de
>
>He asks me to post it on the netnews.
>Here comes the message:

[stuff deleted]

>So my proposal for the transcription is:
>
>a b v g d e z^ z i j k l m n o p r s t u f h c c^ s^ s^t a^ j ju ja
>
>A B V G D E Z^ Z I J K L M N O P R S T U F H C C^ S^ S^t A^   Ju Ja

I think this is a very good proporsal. It is true what we have
forgotten - people are doing this for quite some time now. So i
completely agree with the proposed transliteration.

How about you, fellow netters?

>
>For example the Bulgarian spelling alphabet would look like this:
>
>Ajtos, Burgas, Vidin, Gabrovo, Dragoman, Elena, Z^eravna, Zemen,
>Ihtiman, Kotel, Lom, Momc^ilgrad, Nikopol, Oboris^te, Plovdiv, Ruse,
>Sofija, Ta^rnovo, Uga^rc^in, Filipovci, Haskovo, Cerovo, C^irpan,
>S^umen, S^tra^klevo, A^glen, Jundola, Jambol
>
>It is very easy to convert such a text into a TEX file: You just have to
> REPLACE   BY
>
>  z^  ->  \v{z}
>  c^  ->  \v{c}
>  s^  ->  \v{s}
>  a^  ->  \^{a}
>  Z^  ->  \v{Z}
>  C^  ->  \v{C}
>  S^  ->  \v{S}
>  A^  ->  \^{A}
>



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____________________________________________________________________
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tel.(312) 667-1611	   or   a-dimitrov@uchicago      (Bitnet)
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From: ak005@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Yona Webb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Latin->Cyrillic map
Date: 6 Nov 1992 05:42:40 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Hello Everybody,
Here is my version of the Bulg. Alphabet expressed with Latin Letters:
 
 a           e           k           p           f           sht
 b           j           l           r           h           a
 v           z           m           s           tz          -
 g           i           n           t           ch          iu
 d           i or y      o           u           sh          ia
 
 
We are not doing anything new -- for many years the Latin Alphabet has
been used to express Bulgarian SOUNDS and LETTERS  with a reasonable
success:  Names and Addresses in pasports, address registration
cards, names of firms, hotels, various establishments, cities, rivers,
mountains, etc.  A few Bulgarian sounds are very unique, but with a
practical approach, everything works out for the best.
 
I think my version is very simple and close to the Bulgarian sounds.
There is not need to use all the Latin letters, and even less need
to use other than alphabetical characters  <@>, <#>.
 
Do you really think there is a need for  [ep-malak] ? -- not in the Latin
transcription:  <sinio nebe>, <kior-kiutuk>.
 
       _
 /I    'I_            fonetichno, tezi 2 bukvi chesto zvuchat ednakvo.
/~I ==  I_I == [a]    V izrAzA:  "Shte kajA nA bAshta ti",
                           1 2            3  4  5
 
                      5 ot 7  <A>  se proiznasiat pochti kato  [er-goliam],
                      zashtoto  <a>  v neudarena srichka se proisnasia
                      kato  [er-goliam].
 
                      Dokato  <q>  e saglasna bukva i zvuchi na pochti
                      vseki ezik  -K- , dosta trudno e da ia vazpriema
                      kato glasna bukva, koiato poniakoga ima podoben
                      zvuk na <A>.
 
                      Opitaite i shte vidite che  [a]  se chete
                      monogo po-lesno i po-barzo kato  [ep-goliam]
                      otkolkoto  <q> <@> <y> ...
         -
 I I    I I
 I/I == I/I == [i]    ne vijadam zashto triabva da upotrebiavame 2
                      napalno razlichni bukvi na Latinitza, kogato na
                      Kirilitza se upotrebiava edin i sashti znak.
 
    _
 I_I I
 I I_I == [iu]        upotrebata na  [i]  za tezi diftongi e po-blizo
    _                 do balgarskoto proiznoshenie.
   I_I                Vprochem  [i] e Latinskoto    <I/I> ,
   _/I == [ia]        dokato    [y] is Greek   <I/I>
 
 
 I I
 I_I_  == [tz]        *C*  zvuchi   -K-  pred  <a>, <o>, <u>
    /                 zatova   [tz]  moje bi e za predpochitane.
 
 I I I
 I_I_I == [sh]        Ot godini nared Bg Poshtenski slujbi pishat
                      SHUMEN, ako sega nie zapochnem da pishem  WUMEN,
                      hmmm ...
 
What do you think?
Yona
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: radenski@msus1.msus.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Bulgarian movie on CINEMAX
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:51:07 GMT
Organization: Minnesota State University System

Bulgarian movie on CINEMAX, one of the major movie channels in the U.S.?

Yes, I am serious. The movie is "The Berlin Conspiracy", and it 
pretends that the action develops in Germany. But it was shot in Bulgaria, 
and I was happy to see many known places from Plovdiv. I had a chance to
see well-known crowded trams in Sofia, some stores and pubs (not well-known)
there etc. 

Almost the whole cast is Bulgarian, including Stefan Danailov, Kosta 
Tsonev and many others. The script in the end of the movie said it
was maid in the Boyana Movie Center, and showed tens of Bulgarian
names. Of course, everybody spoke English.

Well, it is not a great movie, but it is not worse than thousand of
other action movies. It was shown on November 12, prime time. You may
see it again on November 25, Wednesday, 11:45pm EST, on CINEMAX.
A cheap trip to Bulgaria for those suffering from nostalgia.

Regards,

Atanas Radenski
From: zlatev@an.isl.titech.ac.jp (Rossen Zlatev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: New Parliament Chairman
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:09:52 GMT
Organization: Imaging Science and Engineering Lab., Tokyo Inst. of Tech., Japan
In-reply-to: gogo@wam.umd.edu's message of 9 Nov 92 18:24:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.182437.4315@wam.umd.edu> gogo@wam.umd.edu (George Makov Stantchev) writes:

>Since last week we have a new chairman of the National Assembly - the distin-
>guished political figure Sasho Yordanov. I have no information who has taken
>his job as a leader of the UDF group in the Parliament. As far as I know there
>is still no government appointed, but no doubt the process would get acceleratedafter Mr. Yordanov's inauguration. 

	Interesno e da se razbere kak e minalo glasuvaneto za noviya
predsedatel na Narodnoto sybranie? Dali e bilo predishnoto "jelyazno"
syotnoshenie, ili ima nyakakvo propukvane v politicheskata borba?

POCEH
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: transliteration
From: lihouba@dapsas1 (Christo Houbaviy)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:36:01 GMT
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Computing Centre

In article <ZLATEV.92Nov4124033@momo.an.isl.titech.ac.jp>
zlatev@an.isl.titech.ac.jp (Rossen Zlatev) writes:

>	Kirilizatsiyata, koyato nie iskame da napravim, ima za osnovna tsel
>da napravi lesna komunikatsiyata pomejdu ni. Zatova predlagam praviloto, ot
>koeto da izhojdame da e slednoto. Toest tri:
>	1. Transkriptsiyata da e vyzmojno nai-blizka fonetichno do kirilitsata.
>	2. Da e s vyzmojno s nai-malko bukvi.
>	3. Da ne syzdava vyzmojnost za prevklyuchvaniya ot fonetichnoto
>zvuchene na latinitsata na zvucheneto na kirilitsa.
>
>	Kakvo imam predvid pod tretoto	uslovie. V s.c.b ima dosta statii s
>podobni "prevklyuchvaniya". Primerno za "r" se izpolzva latinskoto p, za "h"
>latinskoto x. Tezi bukvi syvpadat s bylgarskiya im ekvivalent, po forma, no
>pri chetene, spetsialno az, gi namiram za zatrudnyavashti. Nalaga se chovek,
>v ramkite na edna duma da "prevklyuchi" ot ednata azbuka na drugata, pone edin
>pyt.

Gore-dolu sqwtoto kakvoto predlozhih i az, s tazi razlika che spored
men izkljuchenijata ot tochka 3. mogat da se izpolzuvat v tochka 2, v
sluchai kogato sqotvetnata bukva na kirilitsa njama spoluchliv analog v
latinitsata i se izpolzuvat bukvi, koito njamat fonetichen ekvivalent
v bqlgarskija. Spored men 'w' e dosta chetliv variant na 'sh' i
izbjagva konflikti kato napr 'shema'.

>	Eto i "kirilitsata", koyato se poluchava:
>
>	a, b, v, g, d, e, j (zh), z, i, i (y, j)
>
>	k, l, m, n, o, p, r, s, t, u, f, h, ts(tz)
>	
> 	ch, sh, sht, y (q), y(j- yo,jo), yu(ju), ya(ja)

100% fonetichna transcriptsija. Dosta chitaema spored men. Ne sqm
mnogo sqglasen sqs j za zh. Vse pak kato che li e po-dobre da imame
'unique character set'.

XP|/|CTO

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Christo Houbaviy [lihouba@dapsas.weizmann.ac.il]
Department of Molecular Genetics and Virology
The Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot, Israel
From: ak005@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Yona Webb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Re: Latin->Cyrillic map
Date: 6 Nov 1992 04:06:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Hello Everybody,
Here is my version of the Bulg. Alphabet expressed with Latin Letters:
 
 a           e           k           p           f           sht
 b           j           l           r           h           a
 v           z           m           s           tz          -
 g           i           n           t           ch          ia
 d           i or y      o           u           sh          iu
 
 
We are not doing anything new -- for many years the Latin Alphabet has
been used to express Bulgarian SOUNDS and LETTERS  with a reasonable
success:  Names and Addresses in pasports, address registration
cards, names of firms, hotels, various establishments, cities, rivers,
mountains, etc.  A few Bulgarian sounds are very unique, but with a
practical approach, everything works out for the best.
 
I think my version is very simple and close to the Bulgarian sounds.
There is not need to use all the Latin letters, and even less need
to use other than alphabetical characters  <@>, <#>.
 
Do you really think there is a need for  [ep-malak] ? -- not in the Latin
transcription:  <sinio nebe>, <kior-kiutuk>.
 
       _
 /I    'I_            fonetichno, tezi 2 bukvi chesto zvuchat ednakvo.
/~I ==  I_I == [a]    V izrAzA:  "Shte kajA nA bAshta ti",
                           1 2            3  4  5
 
                      5 ot 7  <A>  se proiznasiat pochti kato  [er-goliam],
                      zashtoto  <a>  v neudarena srichka se proisnasia
                      kato  [er-goliam].
 
                      Dokato  <q>  e saglasna bukva i zvuchi na pochti
                      vseki ezik  -K- , dosta trudno e da ia vazpriema
                      kato glasna bukva, koiato poniakoga ima podoben
                      zvuk na <A>.
 
                      Opitaite i shte vidite che  [a]  se chete
                      monogo po-lesno i po-barzo kato  [ep-goliam]
                      otkolkoto  <q> <@> <y> ...
         -
 I I    I I
 I/I == I/I == [i]    ne vijadam zashto triabva da upotrebiavame 2
                      napalno razlichni bukvi na Latinitza, kogato na
                      Kirilitza se upotrebiava edin i sashti znak.
 
    _
 I_I I
 I I_I == [iu]        upotrebata na  [i]  za tezi diftongi e po-blizo
    _                 do balgarskoto proiznoshenie.
   I_I                Vprochem  [i] e Latinskoto    <I/I> ,
   _/I == [ia]        dokato    [y] is Greek   <I/I>
 
 
 I I
 I_I_  == [tz]        *C*  zvuchi   -K-  pred  <a>, <o>, <u>
    /                 zatova   [tz]  moje bi e za predpochitane.
 
 I I I
 I_I_I == [sh]        Ot godini nared Bg Poshtenski slujbi pishat
                      SHUMEN, ako sega nie zapochnem da pishem  WUMEN,
                      hmmm ...
 
What do you think?
Yona
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