HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: boesch@cs.washington.edu (Eric Boesch)
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Organization: Hamburger Repair Coordinator for Big Mac #15,343,2342,343
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 02:02:30 GMT

In article <72736@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Folks: It looks like I'm going to have to put another
>nickle in the Portal Machine because I'm not getting through.
>John Winston.

Gosh, those aliens are mean.  Have they been feeding you that
pay-me-or-I'll-make-it-go-away line again?

Let's get it straight, then.  Tesseracts are acts of God.  They don't
care who you give money to.  Except, of course, if you give money to
God.  God likes that; he can't use money, but he likes the idea of
people not having it.  God spends his money on useless junk and makes
sure that he buys things that someone made only for the money,
thinking wrongly that their moments of misery involved in its
production might be worth the cash.  Or maybe God might give the money
to charity, God's charity, the Fund for the Extension of the Lives of
the Miserable and Lifeless.  They please Him, or if not actually
_please_ him, at least relieve some of the pain of God's own eternal
superlife.  (Superlife is like regular life times infinity.)

So if you care to improve your life in the short term at the expense
of life universe-wide, give your money to God, he'll be "pleased" to
reward your selfish support of an evil cause (Him), but don't give it
to the tesseract-sellers or weather-merchants, they can't do shit for
you.  God punishes such foolishness, but then God punishes wisdom too
so it's a difficult call.

The best thing is to give up the trips through to parallel universes
altogether, but of course you won't do that; if you had the will to
avoid such temptation, God wouldn't have bothered letting you see them
at all.  Don't fool yourself that the happy land you visit is one that
you can live in, though, it's just there to remind you of the squalor
of your life.  It's Hell you see, but you're too good to ever get
there.  Temptation is evil but only because you can never have what
you're tempted to take.  Remember that Hell would not exist if it
didn't serve God's purposes.  Hell exists because God became so
furious with Satan that He made a few unappreciative people insanely
happy and put Satan among them in to make Satan more miserable.

I hope that the rest of you enjoyed New Year's as much as I did, but
that you all tried harder.  Me, I'm saving my money so I can give it
to a rich person.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: What Do I Do?
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 06:27:56 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: What do I do that is the question. I am part of a group
who have volunteered to come to earth to enlighten everyone and help
bring the earth into the next dimension of existence. Now how is that 
for a serious answer?
John Winston
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From: beltran@ns.network.com (Tony R. Beltran)
Subject: Re: 'Newage' music
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 20:47:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec25.001059.3109@netcom.com> lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen) writes:
>In article <Bzs3EA.Lt9@dcs.ed.ac.uk> tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)
>>A couple of christian friends of mine were discussing 'newage' music
>>( and its 'evils'). recently.  The groups 'Clannad' and 'Enya' were
>>both mentioned specifically, and I've seen both mentioned in r.m.n.
>>recently.  On asking them what they meant I found their answers
>>confusing to say the least.
>>
>>Could anyone here give me an idea as to what constitutes 'newage'
>>music, assuming that you recognise the existence of such.
>

Interesting that there is (was?) a Christian record label with some of
the best newage music around.  I have many of these at home - I bought
them at a sale at a Christian book store near my condo.  The label is
Meadowlark, owned by Sparrow records (or is it the other way around??).
Several big name Christian musicians had albums on this label:
John Micheal Talbot, for one.  Very newage in style.

Also, I have a friend who is a Christian musician.  We have some very
interesting discussions.  He often plays "Christian" rock music - in
the '50s style.  However, at that time (in the '50s) the fundamental
churches were preaching heavily against rock music.  Now, it seems to
be acceptable.  It seems to me that musical tastes change.  It is like
the weather here in Minnesota - if you don't like the weather now, wait
an hour and it will change again.

An aside -- do you know what the terms "rock and roll" and "jazz"
mean?  They were slang in the black vernacular for sex.  We all
owe a lot to black culture for both original American music art
forms and many of our commonly used terms.

Tony


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From: kuritzky@wheatena.berkeley.edu (Eric Kuritzky)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: No laughing matter.
Date: 31 Dec 1992 22:46:58 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: wheatena.berkeley.edu
Summary: Yes, it is.

In article <1992Dec7.232253.16809@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> amorgan@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog) writes:
[I know that it was a while ago, but I've just started reading TB]
|In article <BywuMA.Btr@acsu.buffalo.edu> 
|  boyd@acsu.buffalo.edu (Daniel F Boyd) writes:
|>In article <70999@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
|>> You think you've got problems. I'm now getting E-mail from Satan.
|>So where is Satan apparently mailing from?
|>I'm surprised I'm the first one to ask this question.
|
[stuff deleted]
|
|2. Have you considered sending mail to his sysadmin?
|
|% mail root@hell.edu
[humorous portion of post deleted]

   root@hell.edu bounces.  Have you tried root@hell.gov?



-- 


                              kuritzky@math.berkeley.edu
                              Eric Kuritzky
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: "mark woollard" <mark.woollard@canrem.com>
Subject: preparing for the changes
Reply-To: "mark woollard" <mark.woollard@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: talk
Date: 27 Dec 92 08:32:51 EST

-> I was wondering what you all are doing to prepare for physical
-> survival during the earth changes.

Continuing to cultivate inner peace in my heart and my growing sense of
connectedness with all life.

The rest will take care of itself.

Regards
Mark
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 06:37:37 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folks: I do think you people may be posting better information
that I am.
John Winston.
From: rhay@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Robert Hay)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Christianity and Newage
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 17:01:31 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

It seems a little ironic that so few people read the Bible and yet call 
themselves Christian.  I am not trying to moralize anyone here, however 
it is very intresting that people seem to have all the answers and be 
right about them,,, I find it hard to understand how people can go to 
church and listen to the watered down speeches or sermons, and accept 
that it is the truth.  Luke 18:1 - clearly shows Jesus regressing into 
past lives.  Look it up.  There are other comments about  past lives 
through out the bible.

Luke 6:32 states that the kingdom of God is within you.  How many 
Christians can contest this statement.  I have come to notice that the 
main stream churches have failed to deal with these issues and are 
teaching doctrine  which is not exactly true and does not lead one to  
higher life.  

when we die our heaven or hell, is made up of our experiences and 
knowldedge and love we have here on earth.  We are sent back to learn 
again and again, we have to start evolving beyound our present form in 
large numbers as the earth is quickly dying due to the amount of 
evoulution enterining into the human arena.

I wonder if people pay attention to the inner and outer teachings in the 
bible? 


God Bless you all and have a Merry Christmas.

Robert Hay              rhay@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,rec.music.newage,rec.music.folk
From: dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Segard)
Subject: Re: 'Newage' music
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 19:33:43 GMT


      I know several Christians who like Clannad and Enya as well as some
who don't.  Maybe it is just a matter of taste.
      As far as the "New Age" religious implications of so called "New
Age" music, about the only implications which I can think of would be
lyrical content, altered states of consciousness, and subliminal messages.
 Personally I can't see anything in the lyrical content of Clannad or Enya
that would be objectionable to the average Christian -- Enya even does a
couple of old hymns like "How Can I Keep From Singing" and "Silent Night".
 With so much of such music being sung in Gaelic I don't imagine that
anyone could find an objectionable content to most of the lyrics since the
number of people who understand Gaelic is no doubt a very small percentage
of those who actually listen to these albums.
     I have seen tapes in the New Age bookstores that advertise that they
have subliminal msgs on them underneath the music.  If there is anything
at all to the concept of subliminal msgs then I could certainly see some
cause for concern if indeed any of the "New Age" albums had such things
present.  Obviously a person would want to know the content of such msgs
if indeed the mind had some ability towards picking them up and processing
them.  But so far I am not terribly convinced one way or another about how
effective subliminals actually are.  They may just be placebo effect, so
if the person thinks that a tape contains a subliminal stop smoking msg,
that all by itself is sufficent to push them towards not smoking.
     The "altered states of consciousness" aspect, I'm not all that
familiar with.  I've seen things on it in the New Age bookstores, and I've
read a few minor articles on the different kinds of brainwaves.  Does "New
Age" music induce such things?  Sometimes listening to it puts me to
sleep, so I suppose that is possible.  <grin>  I do recall reading an
article in OMNI back in the late 70's about how placing a 2 to 4 cycle per
second beat into music put the mind into a more programable state, so I
guess from that perspective there might be some cause for concern, if
indeed there was some sort of subliminal msg combinded with this.  Who is
or would be behind placing such "programming" within the music though? 
The artist, the producer, the government?  Anyone following up this line
of thought should probably redirect to alt.conspiracy -- I'll just remain
skeptical of such claims for the time being....

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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 93 10:47:16 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: I believe you will find that the last person who was writing me 
was not Satan. Satan has not written me lately. He is from the UK. My last 
posting about the Bolivian Encounter sort of cut off towards the end. Sorry 
about that. It hard to get good help nowadays.
John Winston. If my flamers would let me I would like to say thanks to Betty 
and Robert, but then I had better not say that so I won't.
From: jeffjc@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey CHANCE)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: New Years Message from Sri Chinmoy
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:22:10 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

merz@ips.id.ethz.ch (Andreas Merz) wrote:
>
>        God is dreaming,
>        Newness singing,
>        Oneness blossoming,
>        Fulness dancing.
>        Hope no more gropes,
>        Life without slopes,
>        Splendid depths and heights
>        Transform bondage-nights.
>        God is dreaming...
>
>
>This is the New Years Message from SRI CHINMOY for 1993.

Wow! I had just finished reading a post in this group on 1993, and
momentarily contemplated posting the New Year's message, and what
do I see a few posts later.. this! How do you know this, were you
there in NYC for it?

I thought I would just add that the New Year's Message has been a
tradition in New York City for about 20 years now. Sri Chinmoy
meditates and plays a number of musical instruments, and at some
point in the evening he reads the message. The concert is usually
given in the first two weeks of December (Sri Chinmoy says that
the essence of the new year has already dawned in the inner world 
by that time) and is open to the public, free of charge. This
year's message was offered Dec. 9 at the Alice Tully Hall, Lincoln
Center, Manhattan, to a full house of 1,068. The message is
considerably shorter and simpler than those of past years, and
also overall much more optimistic than the message for 1992.

Jeff
jeffjc@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,rec.music.newage,rec.music.folk
From: irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu (Josh Smith)
Subject: Re: 'Newage' music
Originator: irilyth@fenris
Organization: Evil Geniuses For A Better Tomorrow
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 09:41:01 GMT

In an article crossposted to talk.religion.newage and rec.music.newage,
Tommy Kelly (tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk) writes:

> A couple of christian friends of mine were discussing 'newage' music
> ( and its 'evils'). recently.  The groups 'Clannad' and 'Enya' were both 
> mentioned specifically, and I've seen both mentioned in r.m.n recently.  

I think Dave Datta's message on the subject does quite a good job of
differentiating between "new age" music and the "New Age" religion. Whether
or not you approve of the religion, it is a distinct thing from the music
that often gets labeled with the same name. Truly enlightened record stores
now label the section for "new age" music as "Instrumental"; I know I've
seen this in more than one, but I can't think of which offhand. I suspect
that rec.music.newage isn't called rec.music.instrumental because no one has
bothered to bring it up for renaming. Possibly also because classical music
is also instrumental, but is clearly distinct from "new age" instrumental
(though I am sure there are artists at the boundaries).

What I'm really interested in, though, is why Christian folks mentioned
Clannad and Enya in their discussion of the evils of "New Age". Neither
seems to promote much of anything that would tend to anger Christians, I
have several Christian friends who are big fans of both, and I'm curious if
anyone else has heard anything about Christian groups (or individuals) being
upset by Clannad or Enya. I can see Christians disliking the "New Age"
religion, but I don't think either of these two fits into the category of
"New Age" religious music.

I've added rec.music.folk to the newsgroups line, because early Clannad
certainly fits better into the folk category than "new age", and even recent
Clannad (and most Enya) shows a heavily traditional slant... Thoughts,
anyone?
-- 
Josh Smith, User Support Coordinator  ::  irilyth@fenris.claremont.edu
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA     ::  consult(std-disclaimer.pl).
"It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man."
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: preparing for the changes
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:41:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.201026.2539@merrimack.edu> nin15b63@merrimack.edu (The Wolf) writes:
}|>In article <1992Dec29.140440.569@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
}|>>In article <1992Dec28.191957.2536@merrimack.edu> nin15b63@merrimack.edu (The Wolf) writes:
}|>>}The rotational axis shifts so slightly that our instruments have difficulty 
}|>>}measuring it.  A series of earth quakes is triggered all over the world, even
}|>>}in places the don't normally get them, lasting several days.
}|>
}|>Why does the rotational axis shift?  More importantly, since the axis
}
}According to Abraham, it is a shift of weight and balance.  The earth is
}attempting to "right" itself.  I don't know what it is exactly that is out of
}balance.

Right itself which way?  This is a sphere in free fall...

}|>is shifting all the time anyway (precession takes 25 ky, and there are
}|>numerous wobbles on top of it -- wobbles which are easily detected by
}
}I have pondered in my own head that it might be one or more of these wobbles
}that the earth will be trying to eliminate.  I base that on Abraham's claim
}that the earth has been wanting to make this shift for a long time.  We take
}the wobbles as normal, but maybe they aren't, if one considered the entire
}history of the earth.

"trying"?  "want"?  huh?

}|>>Let me get this right - something happens that has difficulty influencing a
}|>>balanced needle (in our instruments) but has devastating effects on
}|>>bedrock?  That does not sound....consistent.
}
}I hope it isn't :).  Since I don't know what kind of needle you mean, I don't
}know.  When you say "balanced", is it the kind of thing where it would move
}with the earth if the earth moved, or does this needle measure the tilt of the 
}earth?  According to Abraham, I believe it is the change in tilt that will be
}difficult (not impossible) to measure.  However, a shift of that little on a
}sphere this size can cause a heck of a ripple effect.

A seismograph.  And I dare say that angular motion of the earth is VARY well
measured 24 hours a day (given the GPS, for instance)

}It is interesting to discuss the plausibilty of this event, though I suspect
}that by the time we prove that it is going to happen, or even could, the event
}will have come and gone :).  

Without our being able to tell?

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From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Think
Date: 25 Dec 1992 01:23:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) says:
>I just stumbled in here to find 1/3rd of the articles originating from
>Mr. John Winston and a debate over him ... methinks (-; Mr. Winston is
>

An attention starved, arrogant pseudo-intellectual without much formal
education.
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 06:21:23 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Earth Environs. I am glatful for the exlanation of Kibo's Spot 
passage to the next dimension. I should have said, You people are too
intelligent for me. 
  Lo and behold I take my leave of you and will pass a few days in
the desert. 
John Wiinston.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 18:09:48 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folks: Yes I think that informaition originally came from Kumar
and he got it from Walter.
John Wisnton.
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 07:58:50 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Folks: Well I thinks my computer has caught the dribbles again. 
It's probubly just some virus going around.
John Winston.
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From: 01jmbrown@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Rap Music Singing Aliens.
Date: 1 Jan 93 08:16:01 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <72638@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Subject: The Greys, Friend or Foe?
>    In the past I always thought that the Greys were just a bunch of almond 
> eyed, grey colored, little creeps. After reading the following information 
> from Kumar and Walter P. I may have to change my mind. So here we go with 
> the information; The Greys are here for basically one puroose: To create a 
> new race of beings.  Entities of this race are known as Hybrids because they 
> are a cross between the Greys and Earth humans.  The reason whey these 
> Hybrids are being made is twofold: To save their species and to help ours.  
> In order to explain how the hybrids will save us both, and explain the 
> rationale behind their actions, a general description of the Greys and their 
> features should be made:

^^^^Let me get this straight. There is a Hybrid of the greys and humans and..


> Some might think that the Greys are a reptilian race, but this isn't true.  
> Rather they are an insect-like race.  Some say the Greys look a lot like 
> giant insects, and I believe that is perhaps part of their history - a 
> highly evolved insect race.  This accounts not only for jerky movements, but 
> their unemotional and hard working collective mentality.  The contents of my 
> earlier posts said they are like humanized robots which are working for a 
> few manificent Angelic beings.  These master aliens could in our insect 
> analogy play the role of the "gueens". An interesting piece of trivia is 
> that, according to one source, the influence of the Greys in our society has 
> been expressed through the introduction of Rap music, and although I can't 
> verify anything, this music would probably fit them well. 
> End Part 1.
> John Winston.

...despite your hypothesis that they are of insect descent, you maintain that
they are similar enough to mate and produce healthy young with humans, despite
the fact that humans have an endoskeleton and don't all insects have
exoskeletons?  considering genetic theory today suggests evolution spreads out
in different branches, like traveling from the trunk of a tree to a leaf on the
end. hopping from branch to branch would be most unprecedented if it could be
proven.

just a thought.
Newsgroups: talk.environment