From: LIBPACS@UHUPVM1.BITNET (Public-Access Computer Systems Forum)
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Subject: November Internet Hunt Pt. III
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:51:43 GMT
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From: lb05gate@UCSBUXA.BITNET (Rick Gates)
Subject: November Hunt Results
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*          RESULTS OF THE NOVEMBER 92 INTERNET HUNT           *
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 I used Archie to locate the bibliography:

 telnet archie.rutgers.edu
 login archie
 at the archie> prompt, enter: set search sub
 at the archie> prompt, enter: prog biblio

 Had to look through several hundred file listings to find it!

 ====>    anonymous ftp to nis.nsf.net
          cd /introducing.the.internet
          file is intro.internet.biblio

 Note:  The authors of this document, the Internet Engineering Task Force, do
        *not* run the Internet.  There is no one body governing the Internet.
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 anonymous ftp nnsc.nsf.net
 cd resource-guide
 get resource-guide.txt.tar.Z
 quit
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 Keys: Internet, bibliography, novice users
 Ideas: One of the rules of the Internet is that the more people are likely to
 ask for something, the more places it will be.  Hence the ubiquitous
 Frequently Asked Questions files.  The first way that occured to me to do this
 was focus on the word Internet and simply:

 Answer:
 telnet quake.think.com
 login as wais
 select 160 Inernet-drafts [hit spacebar]
 Keyword search on "novice" [hit "w" to get keyword search]
 select 001 "draft-ietf-userdoc2-fyi-novice-01"

 [Reading this document leads you to all kinds of other things, I couldn't
 resist]

 ftp nic.merit.edu
 cd /introducing.the.internet
 get intro.internet.biblio [there's also some great other documents in here
 like access.guide]
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 Anonymous ftp to HYDRA.UWO.CA
 cd /libsoft

 Two files are possible candidates:

 get STANTON.BIB
 get NETWORKING_BIBLIO.TXT

 Stanton's bibliography is really aimed at librarians and information
 scientists, so it might be a tad much.

 Elliott Parker's bibliography (the second one) is much more aimed at
 the novice.  He introduces it:

    This is some documentation on networking. There has been no
    attempt to make it comprehensive and the main focus is on
    material of use to the beginning networker, rather than
    engineers, network managers, or researchers. This is not a
    formal bibliography.  The selection is somewhat eccentric and
    eclectic, but it is the type of material I wish I had known about
    when just beginning to use the networks.  Some of the citations
    are just fun to read.

 so this is probably the one referred to.  These certainly aren't the only
 sources out there.

 BTW, Advanced Network & Services, Inc has an archie that I used to find the
 stanton bibliography.  Interestingly enough, it completely missed the
 primary libsoft site maintained by Gord Nickerson at the School of Library and
 Information Science at the University of Western Ontario (HYDRA.UWO.CA)

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 7. (5) In what year was Justice Byron R. White appointed to the
 U.S. Supreme Court?

Winner's Answer

      Use WAIS, telnet to quake.think.com and login as WAIS.
      Scroll to US-Judges (pegun.law.columbia.edu) which is
      currently 298. Do a keyword search, "Byron White."
      5 items are retrieved. The top entry lists Byron
      R. White and states his appointment by Kennedy in
      1962.

Other Answers
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      telnet info.umd.edu
      login: gopher
      select Info-Gopher Interface
      select Government
      select US
      select Supreme Ct
      select justices
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    gopher (telnet) to fatty.law.cornell.edu (login: gopher) to connect
    to the experimental gopher site of Cornell Law School.  Select
    Government Agencies: Information and Reports/ and then US Judges'
    Database.  Search for Bryan White, and you'll retrieve the same
    record as the previous one.

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 Keys: Justice Byron R. White, Supreme Court, appointed
 Ideas: I did not think going to the same source as in Question 1 would make
 sense because this is not information you would find in the decisions.  I
 learned in the WorldWideWeb that there are two ways to approach information:
 by subject and by server.  I thought this might be a good time to try by
 server, so I looked around in a copy of Hytelnet [very nice tool, I have it at
 home on my PC and our systems librarian mounted it on the university gopher,
 complete with connections to the sites], which got me:

 Answer:
 telnet sparc-1.law.columbia.edu
 login as lawnet
 select 3 Law School Info Server
 select 10 [spacebar] us-judges
 type w for keyword search
 keywords: white
 select 001 U.S. Supreme Court, Judge Byron R. Whit
 "Appointed by: Kennedy in 1962"

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 8. (5) Which country has a higher infant mortality rate, the
 United States, or Singapore?

Winner's Answer

      Answer is the United States.
      Use WAIS. Telnet to quake.think.com and login as WAIS.
      Select World Fact Book at cmns.moon.think.com (which
      is currently Source number 318).
      Keywords: Singapore United States infant mortality
      Pick reference for Singapore Geography and scan until
      section on Infant Mortality: It lists 8 deaths per
      1000 (in 1991). Pick reference for United States
      Geography and scan until section on Infant Mortality:
      It lists 10 deaths per 1000 (in 1991). I double
      checked the next listing in WAIS, "WORLD91A" which
      looked as if it had slightly more recent data but
      it gave exactly the same data for infant mortality.

Other Answers
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 This may be a weird method, but it worked :)
 anonymous ftp to site: nic.funet.fi
 cd to directory:  /pub/doc/World_Facts
 In that directory are the facts about all countries.
 get the files:  Singapore and United_States
 In them are the numbers for infant mortality.
 US: 10/1000   Singaport:  8/1000

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      telent info.umd.edu
      login: gopher
      select Info-Gopher Interface
      select Government
      select Factbook91
      select Countries
      singapore #194, US #230

      US - Infant Mortality Rate 1991; 10 deaths/1,000 live births
      Singapore - Infant Mortality Rate 1991; 8 deaths/1,000 live births
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  telnet panda.uiowa.edu (picked this one out of a hat too)
    select: Online Info Sources
    select: Online Libraries
    select: Reference Works
    select: CIA World Fact Book 1991
    select: S
    select: Singapore
    read to find: 8 deaths/1000 live births 1991

 same to get to U; then select United States; 10 deaths/1000 live births 1991.
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 9. (4) My cousin is graduating next spring from Columbia
 University. What day is commencement?

Winner's Answer

      Search Columbia University cwis.
         [Good place to find cwis address is HYTELNET
         software at access.usask.ca]
      Telnet columbianet.columbia.edu.
      No login is required.
      Select Classes, Finals, Holds, Bulletins
      Select 9. Academic Calendar: Spring 1993.
      Scroll through the spring months using N (next page)
      until you reach May. The Baccalaureate ceremony
      will be held Sunday, May 16, 1993.
      Commencement will be Wednesday, May 19, 1993.

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 10. (4) Where can I find a review of the movie Sneakers?

Winner's Answer

      Use WAIS. Telnet quake.think.com and login as WAIS.
      Select Movie-Reviews at bloat.media.mit.edu (which
      is currently source number 199).
      Keyword: Sneakers
      This retrieves 6 items: 5 are reviews and the 6th
      mentions Sneakers in another movie review.
      Select each entry in turn to retrieve the review.
      The reviews are by:
           Frank Maloney, 22 September 1992, from
                USENET newsgroup rec.arts.movies.reviews
           Donn B. Parker, 16 Sept. 1992, from
                USENET newsgroup comp.risks
           Roger Snappy Rubio, 28 September 1992, from
                USENET newsgroup rec.arts.movies.reviews
           2 Fat Guys, 15. Sept. 1992, from
                USENET newsgroup rec.arts.movies.reviews
           Sarah M. Elkins, 15 Sept. 1992, from
                USENET newsgroup rec.arts.movies.reviews

Other Answers
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 anonymous ftp to : lcs.mit.edu
 this is the rec.arts.movies.reviews database.
 go to directory:  /common/movie-reviews
 here you can get the INDEX files.
 sneakers can be found in:  15xx.dir , files: 1516,1517,1518,1533,1544
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 An archive of movie reviews is available via Gopher at
 gopher.micro.umn.edu.
 Select option 4, Fun & Games
 Select option 2, Movies
 Select option 8, 1992
 Select option 9, Sep

 The four reviews of "Sneakers" are items 19, 20, 21, and 22.
 These were posted to rec.arts.movies.reviews sometime in the month of
 September but are archived here since most news sites don't keep news
 very long.
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      Review by Ed Cavazos in issue 1 (Sept. 1992)
      of Word, newsletter of the Austin, Texas
      chapter of the Electronic Frontier Foundation

     anonymous ftp     ftp.eff.org
     cd                /pub/EFF/local-chapters/Austin_TX
     get               Word.September92

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 Extra Credit:
 (1) How much are the quesadillas at Jose's Mexican Restaurant
 near Porter Square in Cambridge Massachusetts?

Winner's Answer

      Quesadilla price: $2.50-$2.65. While the telephone is
      probably quicker for me since it would be a local call, I
      did find the answer using the MIT campus network since it
      seemed nearby.
      Telnet techinfo.mit.edu
      At the main menu select 12. Potluck.
      At the next menu select  7. Local Restaurants (LNF)
      At the restaurant menu, select 6. Jose's Mexican
      At this point Jose's Mexican menu appears and the
      price of the quesadilla is shown. However, I must
      point out that at the bottom of the page is a caveat that
      some of the information is out of date. An update is
      pending. That note is dated 10-10-90!

Other Answers
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 Using libs "Internet Access Software, by Mark Resmer,
 Sonoma State University, February 1992" client, you can
 acces:


                    LIBS - Internet Access Software v1.3.U (beta)
              Mark Resmer, Sonoma State University, February 1992

                          Based on data provided by
                  Art St. George, University of New Mexico
                              and other sources

              On-line services available through the Internet

 Choose the number 3, 'Campus-wide Information Systems' then

 Campus-wide Information Systems are accessible in the following places:

 select the number 9, 'Massachussetts':

      >  12   Potluck
 Enter the number of your choice: 12
         7   Local Restaurants (LNF)
         Enter the number of your choice: 7
                   6   Jose's Mexican
 Select the 6 'Jose's Mexican'. And..
 the price you are looking for is: Quesadilla: $2.50 - $2.65
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 I spent several hours looking for the answer to this question.  I read all the
 relevant Usenet groups and their FAQs (rec.food, rec.food.restaurants,
 rec.food.veg, soc.culture.mexican, alt.restaurants...).  I also searched for
 Gophers in Massachusetts.  I could only find one - an experimental server at
 the University of Massachusetts, but I found nothing helpful there.  I
 used Archie to look for files matching keywords such as "mexican,"
 "restaurants," "cambridge," "massachusetts," "jose" etc.  Also searched the
 archives of several Bitnet lists.

 And at 1:11 A.M. EST this morning I found it!!!!!!!

 ===> telnet consultant.micro.umn.edu
      login gopher
      select Other Gopher and Information Servers
      select Terminal Based Information
      select MIT TechInfo
      select 12 (Potluck)
      select 10 [Local Restaurants (LNF) ]
      select 6 (Jose's Mexican)

 Price of quesadillas is $2.50-$2.65.
 (BTW, someone posted to rec.food.restaurants asking for the answer!)
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 Mystery Question:
 As the moderator of the internet hunts, can you help me with
 something?
 I'm looking for the tides at the Golden Gate (California) for
 next April. I'm finding the information impossible to find at
 local libraries - even university libraries!!!
 Is such information available on the Internet anywhere?
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 There is some tide information available from the U.S. Geographic
 Service Earth Science Data Directory, Data Referral Service.  Couldn't
 figure out how to get actual data out of it but this is what I got.

 ENTRY_TITLE:  TIDE AND TIDAL CURRENT PREDICTIONS
 GROUP:  TECHNICAL_CONTACT
     LAST_NAME: KELLEY
     FIRST_NAME: DAVE
     PHONE: (907) 271-5040
     GROUP: ADDRESS
        222 WEST 7TH, #38
        ANCHORAGE, AK  99513-7574
     END_GROUP
 END_GROUP
 ORIGINATING_CENTER:  ESDD
 LOCATION: North America> ALASKA
 LOCATION: North America> US
 PARAMETER: Ocean Dynamics> tides> TIDE
 KEYWORD: ALASKA DIRECTORY
 KEYWORD: ATLANTIC
 KEYWORD: COAST
 KEYWORD: COASTLINE
 KEYWORD: INDIAN
 KEYWORD: OCEAN
 KEYWORD: PACIFIC
 STORAGE_MEDIUM: CATALOGS/INDEXES
 GROUP:  COVERAGE
    MINIMUM_LATITUDE=  0N
    MAXIMUM_LATITUDE=  179N
    MINIMUM_LONGITUDE= 105W
    MAXIMUM_LONGITUDE= 60W
 END_GROUP
 GROUP: SUMMARY
 Daily tide and tidal current predictions for the present year are
 contained in this data set.  The stations in the tide table are
 for West Coast of North America and South America.  Additional
 tide tables for East Coast, Central and West Africa, and the
 Western Pacific and Indian Oceans.  Stations are in tidal
 current tables for the Pacific coast of North America.  Included
 are reference stations and stations for 650 locations in tide
 tables.  Tidal current tables list 915 locations for calculating
 tidal currents.  Reference copies are available for past years.
 END_GROUP
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 "archie -s tide" returns a number of interesting refs (note that
 archie data is also directly accessible through Gopher, but I'm
 not going to synthesize this one, having found it without Gopher).

 Particularly interesting is the tides162.zip program, found
 at osi.iunet.it in /disk0/tmp/navy

 This program runs under MS-DOS, and includes data for tidal predictions at
 San Francisco, among many other locations.

 Also see USC-Math Gopher Service:
 Multitopic/Science and Technology/Geography/USGS ESDD, search
 for <tide tides california> for net references to offline collections

 The Oceanic Database at U-Del also holds promise, but... I've found the
 solution already, I think.  The Oceanic service is accessible from
 USC-Math as well.  I have leads on a number of other sources, as well...
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 Mystery problem- Sheech, just walk to Astronomy and ask
 who does the celestial mechanics course.  Go to that person and
 ask your question.  Of course that doesn't use the internet, so I
 suppose you could look your Astron. Dept. up in the Internet
 white pages, and then ask for the referal from the secretary, and
 then mail him/her with the question, if you wanted to involve the
internet that is.
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I tried searching "archie" for tides - pertinent responses:
19920326165100Z 182163 osi.iunet.it /disk0/tmp/navy/tides162.zip
19920326165100Z 182163 relay.iunet.it /disk0/tmp/navy/tides162.zip
19920323000000Z   7518 nic.funet.fi /pub/astro/general/tides.txt
19920211000000Z   7518 ames.arc.nasa.gov /pub/SPACE/FAQ/Tides

(Rick: I tried out tides162.zip, a program written in QuickBasic in
1989 by an Edward P. Wallner.  The program seems to work well for some
stations on the East Coast of the U.S., and should work as well with
West Coast stations.  The catch is that you need to find historic
tidal data for these stations.  Mr. Wallner lists sites that can
provide you with this information.  Perhaps coupled with the first
answer on data from the USGS, one could solve this problem.  However,
there does not appear to be a simple table on file, and in fact, such
a table is only useful for short term predictions of perhaps less than
200 days.)
End of Part III
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