Newsgroups: rec.org.sca

grs07071@runt.appstate.edu writes:

> Hi again, sports fans.  this time we're going to take a look at how light blow
> calling and other things related to it would affect the world at large.
> First: I don't remember the name of the gentle who suggested the differnt armor
[...]
> complications...BUT THERRE WOULD ALSO BE a severe upswing in interest in PERIOD
> ARMORING  since you HAVE TO HAVE PERIOD ARMOR FOR THIS ARGUMENT...
> my lord! can you imagine a hundred fighters, all wearing VERY CLOSE TO PERIOD
> ARMOR?
  
  I have noticed a serious upswing in period armoring on the field anyway.
We look a whole helluva lot better now than we did 10 years ago!

> religious reference deleted.  a hundred poeple wearing chain mail haubergions
> or whatever they chose to wear...
> and no more plastic.  or, if we did allow plastic, as the gentle said, consider
> it whalebone.

  A lot of folk that wear the plastic wear it because it more accurately 
simulates their armor type used in period.  Japanese (bamboo?), early types,
(cloth or none at all) etc.  They also tend to take lighter blows.

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> To whoever said that we were trying to recreate period fighting: Sir, I
> earnestly enjoin you to quit the SCA at once and join the Historical Armed
> Combat Association, a group headed by one Hans Reinhardt.  you know, the one in
> th eMuseum replicas limited catalogs?
> They don't believe in using hand protection.  
> Have a blast.
> I am sorry to say, if we really want to recreate period combat then what is
> this CRAP about WOUNDS to the LEG? or ARM?
> Does anybody here really think that a hit to your arm wouldn't cause such blood
> loss that you'd either pass out and die quickly or at least lose ALL interest
> in fighting? 

  This is to simulate TOURNAMENT fighting which was done oftentimes on a 
point score basis by outside judges.  In earlier times, it was the last brute
not knocked senseless and captured.  Remember, you are fighting with rebated
(dull) weapons and clubs.  With the idea of capturing for ransome or scoring
well by the judges.  We don't knock each other senseless and usually don't
use outside judges, so this is a compromise that still has a decent feel to 
it.  It is NOT A WAR (usually) and you are defeated, NOT KILLED.  Jeese, I
wish that we could get rid of that myth and usage in tourney fighting.  I 
prefer to call it a "defeating" blow not "killing" blow.

> or was that rule put in to extend the combats and make them interesting?
> gentles, if I'm a fighter and you're a fighter and you hit me in the leg, I'm
> not too concerned with continuing the fight...I"m concerned with living to
> fight another day. which involves getting my tender person out of your way.
> only if I cannot do that will I turn and fight, like a wolf at bay.
> There ARE problems within the structure of the fighting as I see it and as
> other have indicated they agree.  

  I think that any hit should take someone out of a war battle, none of this
partial stuff that is used for tournaments.

> They do not agree with my solution , some of them, and some of them do.
> Personally, I think I'm going to be a combat archer until this gets sorted
> out...
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> Jonathan Blackbow
> formerly AKA Losobal d'Ivester
> Formerly AKA Sansetrier d'Ivester
> no one in particular

Kevin