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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 18:43:11 -0600
From:         "VALENTINE M. SMITH" <CDELL@UMKCVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Number of books owned

Actually, following Richard Bleiler's post on having "between 3000 and 3500
books in my accumulation," I truly thought we were talking about numbers in
one's collection (and the numbers I offered were approximations) and my
collection is at about that number. I've read just under 7000 of them. I
checked my math again, MM, and I fail to see what you are querying about. VMS
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Sigh.  Paul, did I ever say there was "virtue in trying to enjoy something
without possessing it and mutilating it," at least in the beginning when I
was talking about my appreciation of the material reality of books?  I
don't believe I did.  I don't see any resemblance between myself and Chaucer's
man who has a priest bless his nuptial bed.  I never directly compared women
to books -- you did.  I don't appreciate your metaphors and I don't enjoy
having words put in my mouth.

Did I ever say I enjoyed the heft, the appearance, the smell of a book to the
exclusion of actually reading it?  No.  You may not have noticed that the
Quotes of the Day are sent to the net by me, from the extensive reading
notes I keep from my pleasure reading.  And I believe I can get as close to
the essence of a book as I am capable without mutilating, dog-earing, or
otherwise abusing it in the name of love.
David J. Loftus
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Date: 6 Nov 92 17:20:31 GMT
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Rural Oregonians and the Bible, eh?  Yes - but can they read it? Not being trite
but there may be a correspondence between literacy, intellectual curiosity (or
lack thereof) and dogmatism.  I can assure you that Bible-belt US is not the
 only place thus afflicted.
ROC
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I know, I know, it's not literature, but Lawrence Sanders has really
luscious descriptions of food in his books.  Any other Sanders fans
out there?

    --Tom (frenkel@cpmail-am.cis.columbia.edu)
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Some of your readers might be interested in a new list,
CHAUCER@SIUCVMB  (Internet:  CHAUCER@siucvmb.siu.edu).
This is an open-forum discussion list for Medieval English Literature.
To subscribe send message/mail to the LISTSERV at SIUCVMB.
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:59:38 -0400
From:         IAN YORK <YORK@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: Derrida

        Eager to begin the nerd/jerk controversy - here's is my (Canadian,
not American) explanatian
                           -   a nerd is socially inept in sort of a passive way
   (awkward, inarticulate; the classic would be he guy with a brush cut when lon
   g
hair is popular, pants too short, thick glasses, buck teeth [see, for example,
many of Gary Larson's Far Side cartoons.]  A jerk, however, is aggressively
nept.  Loud, hostile, often drunk; he may well be a big man on campus, a mem-
ber of te football team, for example; overly confident.  A jerk is usually dumb
while nerds are often bright (the football tem vs. the chess team.)
        But in prctice the terms are often intechangeable,so don't worry too
much aboutit.
        Ian
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:12:16 -0500
From:         S1MBM@ISUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Libraries

Actually, the first *free* library in the U.S. was at the New Harmony
collective in Indiana, long may its name be fondly remembered.











m mcdonald
From: ocoreng@FAC.ANU.EDU.AU ((Robert F. O'Connor))
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Subject: Re: HEROINES
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:24:43 GMT
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Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tale" if you like an ambiguous ending.
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:17:31 -0800
From:         djl@MAILHOST.PP.PDX.EDU
Subject:      Book covers
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Hi folks.  As you know, Quote of the Day is continuing, but I'm off into
radio silence as of Friday.  Didn't want Dave to think I'd forgotten his
request for information on the Mylar book covers for dust jackets, however.
The company is:     Gaylord
                    Box 4901
                    Syracuse, NY  13221-4901

Prices have gone up a bit, I see (or maybe my memory is faulty).  The
standard size book cover, is item number QP10, which comes in packages of
100 for $22.  An excellent investment for protecting your pretty dust
covers.  Unfortunately, they don't seem to offer packets of 25 any more,
which is too bad for covering coffee-table size books.  The size I used
to order for my big books was item number QP14 (the catalogue describes it
as suitable for books 12-1/8" to 14" high, and the cover is 28" long), which
comes in a packet of 100 for $38.25.  There are other sizes of course, but
these two have served me well, because if your odd-sized book is smaller
than these it's a simple matter to cut the book cover down with scissors.
They'll send you a catalog with your order, which will have directions with
photos of how to put them on your books.

Their customer service number is 1-800-634-6307.

I just bought "Griffin and Sabine" and "Sabine's Notebook" this weekend, so
I'm itching to get book covers on them!

David J. Loftus
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Date: 6 Nov 92 21:08:40 GMT
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...ideas -- i.e., the follies and imbecilities of man -- interest me.  Blowing
them up is the noblest of occupations.      -- H.L. Mencken
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From:         naomi seeger <ECZ5SEE@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      moderation in everything

>                    Some people might be more considerate of possible
> future readers, but some might not.  So be it.

> steve h.

great - i agree.  and it's wonderful to see it spoken - you beat me to
it.  barring marking up library or other borrowed books, i don't care
what people do during their reading, so long as they don't do it in
the street and scare the horses.

surrounded as you are by little jackbooted fascists, i congratulate you
on your even keel.

books and people's attitudes towards them can be so startling.  my husband
and i had a bit of a go-round when our young son got active enough to start
mishandling books.  i was raised in a family where books were sacred.  we
didn't say a prayer when we dropped them, but i feel guilty to this day
about the time i ripped my sister's book up because i was angry at her.  i
was 3.  i never did that again.  my husband, however, was raised in a house-
hold that was relatively bookless, and felt my, umm, reverence (his term)/
respect (my term) for books was excessive, and was intent on giving our
son the "freedom" to treat his books in anyway he saw fit - including taking
his crayons to them.  aaaack!  what finally won the argument was my point
that books are not like newspaper - they are meant to be read again and
again, and they must be cared for with that in mind, especially since kids
*do* read the same book again and again and...  as for his assertion that
we'd replace the books totally unreadable - i just had to laugh.  given our
relatively meager resources and the fact one can never buy all the books
one wants to read, let alone replace the worn ones - would we really do
that?  so now our son is expected to take good care, but not excessive
care (books are allowed to be left on the floor, but not stepped on) and
accord reigns once more in the empyrean...

naomi seeger
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:16:10 -0500
From:         M_RICKER@UNHH.UNH.EDU
Subject:      Re: HEROINES
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A couple of great novels featuring a heroine who dies come to mind:
HOUSE OF MIRTH by Edith Wharton and THE AWAKENING by Kate Chopin.  Two of
my favorites, if you haven't read them already.
Happy reading...Meredith RIcker
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Subject: Re: oh, yes, Galileo
Date: 6 Nov 92 20:08:00 GMT
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Perhaps of greater interest to folklorists is the belief I recently heard
expressed that Galileo was condemned by a Church council inclined toward
leniency. They could not however resist the adamant exhortations of
Galileo's fellow-scientists who saw his theory as a deeply disturbing
threat to their good standing as scientists. I guess I'm curious to know
if anyone can point toward a printed text wherein this hypothesis is
tested, or if, accepting Galileo's "rehabilitation" came rather slowly,
anyone would like to take a crack at inventing a conspiracy theory along
similar lines.

Invitation not necessarily restricted to Flat Earth Society fellows.


MJoseph
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From:         "Kristin J. Garau" <garaukj@AC.WFUNET.WFU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: homocentric, my ass!
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	This "I wanna whip, kick, beat in the flesh--let me teach you
how to love business sounds a little off-beat.  Poor use of analogy can
lead to horrible misinterpretation.  And what kind of notation is "We
who have women."  The likening of a human to a possession doesn't quite
sit well.  Maybe you missed the last two years of politics, or the last
one hundred, or perhaps you think you are a fusion of Norman Mailer and
Ernest Hemingway.
Yikes!
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Subject:      HEROINES

I'M interested in texts of any genre in which the heroine dies.  If you could se
   nd me titles, I'd really appreciate it.  I've been reading novels with
death as topoi, and I'd like to persue this topic further.  BTW, these can
be from any time period.  Thanks in advance.  Linda Karch.
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Leslie, the movie was _Babette's Feast_ and you're right.  I can't watch
the video without eating!                               Mindy Fiala
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          Babbette's Feast, I think.
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Subject:      Heroines
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I agree that the term "heroine" does not convey nearly the same message
as "hero", and while "protagonist" is gender neutral, Idon't realy see
it as a satisfactory substitute for either term.  Protagonist is, to me, a purel
   yliterary term, whereas "hero" and "heroine" imply some sort of moral
construct.  Having said this I must admit that I have no better suggestion
for a term todescribe the female hero and would love to hear other ideas
on the subject.

I am currently working on a project involving the fiction of Doris
Lessing and desperately need a term other than "female hero"!  Yes,
I have read "To Room 19" and think it is a marvelous, although depressing
story.
Mindy Fiala
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Subject: Derrida
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:11:30 GMT
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I came to Derrida and other related thinkers expecting to loathe them, but
matters are not that simple. Foucault's _Discipline and Punish_ was strange,
but compelling, and the quality of mind and the originality of thought
are unquestionable. Derrida so far seems far removed from the caricatures--
his position is easily ridiculed in part because he is so rigorous and
honest a thinker. What I have read so far seems very insightful, prescient
of the shapes of things to come, and having very helpful consequences as far
as tolerance of diversity in any human community. He is often paradoxical,
but I have noticed that in essays that dismiss him, the writer (not re-
ferring in any way to literary member) is usually not thinking with anywhere
near the subtlety and care of Derrida. Not to say there is nothing contro-
versial in his work, but I am beginning to believe that he has been con-
demned because his uniqueness seems threatening. Michael McColl
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From:         Eston Martz <EMARTZ@A1.PSUPEN.PSU.EDU>
Subject:      RE: The Sensuous Book
Comments: To: "Jeremy.Hawthorn@AVH.UNIT.NO@pm" <LITERARY@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu>

In reference to "To The Lighthouse," Jeremy writes:
>Incidentally, this novel contains one of the great meals of
literature. (For others, see Joyce's *The Dead* and Dickens's
*Bleak House*.) An illuminating approach to the novel is to
take the meal as representative of the problems of human
relationships (identity and relationships) dealt with
elsewhere in the novel.
--------------------------

Hmmmm...well, let's not forget the great dinner scene in "Gravity's Rainbow."
You know, the "Pus pudding," "Blood boullion," etc. scene?  Though I shudder to
think what this scene says about Pynchon's view of "the problems of human
relationships."

By the way, I've got a question.  Where would one place English writer J.G.
Ballard?  Is he now a WRITER, or does he remain relegated to the ranks of
SCIENCE FICTION WRITERS?  I just finished reading his "urban trilogy" of
"Crash," "Concrete Island" and "High Rise."  Loved the books, but they don't
strike me as being science fiction in any more than a marginal sense.  Same
thing goes for his stranger work, such as "The Atrocity Exhibition."

Has anyone else read these three books?  What's your opinion of Ballard as a
writer?

Yours,
Eston
EMARTZ@PSUPEN.PSU.EDU

"All the best firms advertise least."
	--Mark E. Smith
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From:         steve harris <SPAM@TAMVM1.BITNET>
Subject: Re: long books
              3 Nov 1992 14:32:09 -0800 from <djl@MAILHOST.PP.PDX.EDU>

True about the destruction of non-christian books (kinda like what we're
facing in some places today), but I just can't believe that those wonderful
margin doodlers were responsible.  Probably a delusion.

steve harris
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Does anybody know if the new WP for Windows files will be the same as WP5.1
files?  This is a concern for me--I need to retain backward compatablity
with WP for dos, and be able to import  the files into PageMaker.  Will
the need WP for DOS have the same file format as 5.1 too?

MARC BECKER
UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS
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From: ddurby@girtab.usc.edu (Dennis Durby)
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Date: 6 Nov 1992 14:25:41 -0800
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In article <WPWIN-L%92110514554235@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Marc Becker <MABECKER@UKANVM.BITNET> writes:
>Does anybody know if the new WP for Windows files will be the same as WP5.1
>files?  Will the need WP for DOS have the same file format as 5.1 too?

In a word (or two):  YES, OF COURSE IT WILL BE BACKWARD COMPATIBLE.  HAVE YOU
_EVER_ SEEN A VERSION OF WP THAT _WASN'T_??????????????????

-Dennis Durby-				| 
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From: comjudi@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Judi Geistlinger)
Subject: Re: Wordperfect 5.2
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 14:36:55 GMT

ddurby@girtab.usc.edu (Dennis Durby) writes:

>In article <WPWIN-L%92110514554235@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> Marc Becker <MABECKER@UKANVM.BITNET> writes:
>>Does anybody know if the new WP for Windows files will be the same as WP5.1
>>files?  Will the need WP for DOS have the same file format as 5.1 too?

>In a word (or two):  YES, OF COURSE IT WILL BE BACKWARD COMPATIBLE.  HAVE YOU
>_EVER_ SEEN A VERSION OF WP THAT _WASN'T_??????????????????

Actually yes. I have 5.0 at home and when I took that floppy into the office
that had 4.2, the office version could not read the 5.0 version. I am curious
whether the new software will be readable by 5.1 users.

-- 


Judi Geistlinger
j-geistlinger@uiuc.edu
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Subject:      ATM "symbol" fonts in WPWIN

Several "decoration" fonts come with ATM's TYpeset Package - Is there an
easy way (or software) to show them on a keyboard to use them within
WPWIN or other software?
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Subject:      Labels

Robert Martin Allen
Ekstrom Library--DADS Department
588-6757

Thanks to EVERYONE who sent me information about printing labels using the
windows printer driver!

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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:52:00 PDT
From:         "Andreas J. Langolf, A.C.C." <LANGOLF@SCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Increase GDI heap?

Hello, fellow Windows Enthusiasts.

I realize that this is a WordPerfect forum, but since WPWIN is one of the
culprits in this scenario, I thought it appropriate to ask my question here
as well as the WIN3-L group.

I recently installed Quattro Pro for Windows and love it.  However, it
seems to be a real GDI heap hog.  I couldn't figure out why I was having
difficulty launching more than a few applications after I installed Quattro.

I often run Quattro and WPWIN simultaneously.  SRM 1.1 shows that my GDI heap
jumps from about 20% usage to 65% when I run Quattro.  Running WP along side
brings the figure up to somewhere around 90%.  Available memory never goes
much above 50%, and the user heap hovers around 35% when these apps are
running.

My question:  is there any way to increase the size of the GDI heap?
The symptoms are similar on both of my systems:

        486-33                          386-33 (with 387)
        8MB RAM                         16MB RAM
        5MB perm swap                   2MB perm swap
        120MB HD                        160MB HD


Any suggestions would be most welcome.


Please respond directly or to the list.

Andreas J. Langolf              Bitnet:   langolf@scu.bitnet
Santa Clara University          Internet: langolf@scuacc.scu.edu
Academic Computing Center
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