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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:14:11 -0500
From:         Joyce Neu <ccjn@UNIX.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      Bio

Welcome to all new members out there.  I've been with XCULT-L since 1988
when I started it as a means of getting the students in my Cross-Cultural
Communication course at Penn State linked to others around the world. It
has blossomed in the last 4 years and it is with some parental pride that
I watch new people coming and joining in the discussions.  In the past
year, Oliver Seely has done a terrific job with it and is a listowner par
excellence.

My background is in linguistics, specifically, sociolinguistics. I've
taught at USC, UC Irvine, and Penn State--everything from ESL courses to
training future teachers and researchers in ESL and applied linguistics to
courses in intercultural communication and discourse analysis.  My
particular interest is the language of negotiation and I was and am an
associate faculty member of Penn State's Center for Research in Conflict
and Negotiation.  I have been a Peace Corps volunteer (Senegal), a
Fulbright professor in Poland, a USIA consultant in Poland, and lectured
at the U. of Niamey (Niger) for the USIA.

Since last year when I left Penn State to take on a new position in the
Conflict Resolution Program at The Carter Center of Emory University, I
have been involved far more in activism and advocacy than I have in
teaching and research.  We work with former President Carter on trying to
do whatever we can (and are asked to do) to peacefully resolve civil wars.
(Most of you have heard this all before, so anyone who wants more info,
please feel free to drop me a line.)  I am looking forward to this fall
when I hope to teach a senior/grad. seminar at Emory on ethnic conflict
and communication in addition to my role at The Carter Center.

We do have internships at The Carter Center for undergrads. and grads (no
pay, but great experience--we're a non-profit--great experience is all we
can offer :-)).

Cheers,
Joyce
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:49:13 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Democracy or no

Phil,

You are right, a rich man cannot buy an election.... but Bill Blinton,
Al Gore, Bush are not exactly your average middle class person....

The average white male, the middle class white male, the bald WM,
the bearded WM and the poor WM don't stand a chance....not to mention
the single male...and certainly not to mention the non-christian...or
the women or the minorities.....

You write as if Bill Clinton did not need money to win this election...
I guess 50 million dollars, lots of improbable promises that the money
helped disperse .....

zahir
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:05:35 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: RE:media/communication

Jon,

I have a bachelor's in Psych and a Masters in Counseling and have
worked all my life on university campuses except for brief stints as
a case worker, a fraud investigator and various waiter/busboy sorts of
positions while going to school.

I do admire your positions and do wish you were right...that we do have
a democracy (which is not too bad an idea) and that our media is fair and
accurate (I mean our major media)....I just do not agree with you....

As far as studying history, how much I know etc. etc.... I do have
similiar discussions and argumenst with friends of mine in the
communicatuions and pol science depts. and so on... and it goes on...

I do think we had a democracy and the struggles between our
idealogical positions and others.... I think competition and big business
finally caught up with democracy and our systems...  Big business grew bigger,
the world grew smaller and more interdependent and the various systems, be
it our own government or those of others have become in conflict with
big businesses that are becoming bigger....  So now, I think, there is
a substantial control of the media by big business and by politicians
who are leaders because they were funded by interest groups whose interest
is not America but those who it serves.....  I think that it is no longer
possible for any leader to emerge if his ideas and thinking are a threat
to capitalism .... not just in the U.S. but to our south and in most
parts of the world.....

Our biggest enemy has surrendered and the size of our peace dividend is
a joke....  Watch Bill Clinton fail in that area as well as in the one
payer national health insurance he touted.... Gun control and health
are areas that would have been different if we had a democracy....

zahir
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:16:18 EST
From:         Dave Nasatir <nasatir@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Time to introduce yourself!

Yo, Mark!
        What state are you in that is the same state that I'm In?

Dave
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:31:50 -0700
From:         "Janet C. Constantinides" <CONSTANT@CORRAL.UWYO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Media/communicatioons

Zahir,

First of all, the fact that someone questions your statements does not
AUTOMATICALLY mean that the person disagrees with you.  It may be that
the person has not yet taken a position on the question at hand and
wishes more information before doing so.

If someone does ask a question, simply repeating the previous
information does not necessarily answer the question.  Perhaps
restatement or more examples might help answer the question.
(that is, clarifying the warrants might help; or using additional
warrants---I'm not trying to be difficult by using such terms as
claims and warrants but rather trying to clarify the situation by
"naming" things rather than responding to specific examples you
or anyone else has used, since to do so almost always gets
interpreted to mean that I'm disagreeing with the specfic
claims or warrants).

Someone sent you a message suggesting a way you might do that, by
using your own logic in support of your contention that the media
is involved in a conspiracy (again, I don't know who it was --
all I remember is that the final line was something like,
"If only the Village Voice prints it, you win").  Maybe that
person would like to respond here?

Your messages about the media seem to imply that you want others
to reach the same conclusions about the media that you have.  Some
people who either haven't reached that conclusion or haven't reached
any conclusion have asked you to clarify the process by which you
reached those conclusions.  Others, in fact, has indicated that they
disagree with you.  Either position is acceptable.  If you want
others to accept your position, or at least to treat it as valid,
you need to be willing to explain it, whether than means giving
examples (or more examples) or by sharing the process of reasoning
which allowed you to reach a given conclusion based on certain
"evidence."  There have been questions to you of both types.
Your usual response is to simply repeat what you have said
before.

Sorry, this turned out to be longer than I intended.  Anyone else
want to get into this discussion?

Janet
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 08:39:57 -0500
From:         "Douglass St. Christian" <stchri@MCMAIL.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      Re: Inauguration prayer

On Thu, 21 Jan 1993, CAROLYN DAWNELE KELLER wrote:

> I think it's sad that both of you have missed the point as to why Billy
> Graham was there.  He is a well known religous figure that is Highly re-
> garded.  I am sorry that We as Christians stepped on the feet of the atheists.
> You're not the only people in this world.  I believe in God the FAther and
> am excited to see Billy pray for our nation.  Only the Creator of the earth
> can keep it going.


Did Dr. GRaham step on the feet of atheists???? Not quite. His presence
might well have been offensive to people of many religious persuasions,
including atheists.

Many people of profound religious beleif find the singular inclusion of
one religious viewpoint at events such as Clinton's coronation to be
offensive and disciminatory. This does not make them atheists.

I think Joyce's comments are valuable. Clinton's much vaunted
inclusiveness strikes this Canadian observer as little more than a rehash
of Bush's big tent.

I was, however, very impressed by Maya Angelou's performance [although the
poem was, like much 'poet laureate' oriented poetry, pretty grim in the
literary dept.]

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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:08:00 CST
From:         "Phil Gerdes K-State Univ." <PHILG@KSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Democracy or no

Elections are bought with volunteer workers, and a candidate that works
well with people.  The best organization of volunteers work hard and
believe in their candidate.  These volunteers can raise money and for
airtime but important airtime is the free debates.  The people also
check on thier tax returns to donate $1 to a fund that is then shared
with all the candidates.

Ross Perot is proof a rich man can't buy an election for President.
In our local elections and state elections rich men don't win either.
The possibility of non representation is negated, but there is the
10% rule.  Rich men/women are elected but I'ld bet they did buy the
election.  Just because a person is rich they shouldn't be penalized
for it!

-Phil--------------PHILG@KSUVM----------"Phir Milengay."-------------
 All I ask for is an opportunity to prove that money doesn't buy
happiness."
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:40:02 -0500
From:         AHMED@DAYTON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: foreign trip

Hi Kerry,

Having worked with students and others who left the US and returned after
some time, its common and quite natural to feel like going back....
and sometimes some even feel alienated because many of the friends they
left behind have changed or are indifferent to their experiences... I
hope you do not make any decisions during this first year back....

I hope you encourage others to study abroad too.

zahir
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:29:04 -0500
From:         "dougl..apparently" <stchri@MCMAIL.CIS.MCMASTER.CA>
Subject:      QUEER PLANET OREGON PRESS RELEASE (fwd)

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 18:43:10 PST
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Subject: QUEER PLANET OREGON PRESS RELEASE


Queer Planet, Human Rights Research Office
1244 NE 102nd Street, Suite 111
Portland, OR 97220

Phone: (503) 256-4353

Contact: Kim Grittner                       For Immediate Release

Military Ban Violates basic human rights and
fosters sexual harrasment against women in the military.

PORTLAND, OREGON, JANUARY 27, 1993 --Queer Planet, a non-profit,
international queer human rights organization whose purpose is to
defend the human and civil rights of sexual minorities and to
eliminate discrimination against gay, lesbian, bisexual,
transsexual and transgender people announced today that the
military ban against homosexuals is in direct violation of
international agreements and fosters sexual harrasment against
women in the military.

I. Human Rights Violations:

   On April 2, 1992, the United States Senate ratified the
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
(S 4783-4784).  Article 2 of this Covenant guarantees that the
United States will ensure  that:
   "the law shall prohibit any discrimination and guarantee to
all persons equal and effective protection against discrimination
and guarantee to all persons equal and effective protection
against discrimination on any ground such as race, colour, sex,
language, religion, political or other opinion, national or
social origin, property, birth or other status."

   Furthermore, Article 25 states that:
   "Every citizen shall have the right and the opportunity,
without any of the distinctions mentioned in article 2 and
without unreasonable restrictions: ...
   c. To have access, on general terms of equality, to public
service in his country."

II. Sexual Harrassment of Women:

   A book entitled "Homophobia - How we all pay the price,"
published in 1992 by Beacon press, exposes how the military
policy of barring homosexuals from the armed services is used
to "justify the harassment and intimidation of military women,
lesbian and straight."

   It should be noted that although women comprise a minority
within the armed services, the anti-homosexual ban is used
against women at a rate ten times that of men.  Lesbian baiting
is tied to sexual harassment of military women in that it is
often triggered by a servicewomen's refusal of sexual advances
by a heterosexual male.
   Women who serve in nontraditional jobs regardless of their
sexual orientation are most likely to be lesbian baited.  This
is due in part because "the traits necessary for success in
those jobs often coincide with stereotypical ideas about lesbians
as aggressive, tough women."

III. Closure

Queer Planet is very concerned that this type of oppression is
ended as soon as possible, and that the Congress abide by
legally binding treaties.
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Date:         Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:04:12 EST
From:         Kerry <U350000@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Thousands of re's media

   I guess I haven't been paying very good attention to this conversation
and I am not an African-American nor do I live in Crown Heights. However,
I think Phil has some legitimate points to consider, especially where
some come from personal experience. However, I would like to throw another
angle into this discussion, if it hasn't been done already (If so, I
apologize). Look, also, at the way the primarily white male establishment
treats Latinos/Hispanics in the media. If one lives in latino neighborhood
and is fortunate to have local media backed by the latino community or a
Spanish TV channel like Univision, they're lucky. But for the rest of the
country and the quickly growing Latino population (projected to outnumber
African-Americans in the next century by some New York Times article, I
believe), the few latino/ hispanic images seen are negative ones. How
many late-night crime shows have we seen that portray the drug-dealers
(always the drug-dealers) and criminals as suave, jewelry-wearing hispanics.
This perfectly fits the latino stereotype we nurture in this country.
Even the shows that show latinos as Ok guys make the character some
poor, grateful migrant worker with eight kids. Something needs to be done
and I think it starts by changing the incentives and opening the doors when
people are children. That way, people can start on an even playing field.
Just because ClarenceThomas was one of the fortunate few people to make it
from such a poor backround means that the white male dominated establish-
ment can easily justify the shortage of African-Americans, Women and
minorities in the establishment by the attitude that they didn't work hard
enough when the incentives were never equal to begin with.  KERRY
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:19:50 -0500
From:         Username was LODEESEN <LODEESENJ@ADMINB.RFERL.ORG>
Subject: Re: Media/communicatioons

First, you're welcome.  I certainly appreciated the efforts of those who helped
me and hope you do too, whether you were sincere or not.
  You offer specific examples.  Thank you.  You say that in Europe they reported
several countries' having dropped out of the original coalition and claim that
this was not reported in the US.  I have to admit that I have not saved
clippings but do have some specifics.  So, please list the countries which you
say dropped out, which were reported in the European press, but not in the US.
I will check through them provided you promise not to change the argument in
media res and redefine reporting or what are the media or some other argument
designed to prove the originator right rather than to inspect the development.
  The extent of editorial page discussion of who should have permanent seats
in the security council and who not has been over the years so extensive that it
is impossible--really impossible, for a serious student of the media to have
missed them.  Taiwan's hold on the seat was a topic.  When it turned out that
the five permanent members developed into the five countries with announced
nuclear war capability, the argument was advanced that maybe the grouping was
all right.  Every time new members are elected, the whole quota issue is raised
and there are arguments in favor of rotating and arguments in favor or making
new permanent regional members.  Those frequently proposed have included Brazil,
India and Japan.  But regional groupings have also argued that they would prefer
to have, e.g., an Arab state, rotating among them, or an African state, etc., so
that there are fewer images of regional great powers.  No, you just must not
read or don't remember where you read, IF you think this is a topic not covered
in the press.  Now DON'T decide that there is a particular element which was not
covered in a particular way in a particular medium and conclude that from that
observation you can say that the media won't report the news because they are in
the hands of like-thinking capitalists.  The evidence is that this topic again i
 s
one on which you err.
  Clinton's cabinet?  The press asked him what his reaction was to the charge
that he had appointed so many lawyers and he replied along the lines of, "I
didn't realize it."  And that one was bounced over tv over and over and over.
  Three concrete examples.  All three demonstrate that the news is not
suppressed.
  There are no doubt many stories which many people would like to suppress.
And I've seen it tried.  But you have illustrated how the news flows.  Thanks.
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:35:01 EST
From:         Dave Nasatir <nasatir@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Our Christian nation

Oliver wonders if religious minorities (moslems in his example)
would be lpersecuted by the state .

As I recall, Amish children in Pennsylvania, a number of years
ago, were chased down by the state police and required to
attend public school even though it was , apparently,
offensive to their religious principles (or, perhaps, principals,
in that case).

        Dave
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Date: 22 Jan 1993 06:27:23 GMT
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In a previous article, ccjn@UNIX.CC.EMORY.EDU (Joyce Neu) says:

>Thanks for some of your comments on Billy Graham's prayer. Ruth--I don't
>hold a thing against Billy Graham for doing what he does. I'm sorry to see
>this symbolism, hollow or not, perpetuated.
>
I'm not, not really.  But then, this particular one wouldn't bother *me*
in particular in any case.:-/  How about the masonic symbolism on the
back of the dollar bill?
>
>I take exception at 2 points above: 1) the notion that those excluded
>should just ignore the exclusion, and 2) that it's pointless to "become
>upset about something that's essentially hollow."   Am I carrying this too
>far to say that many in our society have only become included because they
>have _not_ ignored the exclusion, and because they have not believed it
>pointless to become upset--and have taken positive, constructive action to
>change the situation?

Yes, because the key word is upset.  Unlike some things, if everyone
ignores a tradition, it generally goes away.  At least for the most part.

>> itself uses "man" or "men" as an inclusive term for both sexes.  So even
>> if he didn't mean to say it, he said it.:-) [just a linguistic quibble from
>
>"Man," "men," "he," "his," etc. are _not_ perceived as inclusive terms for
>both sexes by college women given a series of sentences to rate as
>including a) only women; b) only men; c) men and women.  Female college

Apples and oranges, Joyce. [sorry to be curt, but I'm about out of time]
I'm talking about language and dictionaries, and you're talking about
psychology.  They're related, but not identical, and not really
comparable.

>
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