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From: rob@psy.vu.nl (Rob van Leeuwen)
Subject: How do I create a font out of a .h file?
Organization: VU Amsterdam - dienst CCA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:00:18 GMT

Probably a FAQ, but anyway...
I have a .h file, e.g. 6x10.font.h.  It looks like: 
0x0000, 0x0000, 0x0000, 0x0000, 0x0000, 0x0000, 0x0000, 0x0000, 0x0000, 0x0000, 
0x0000, 0x0000, 0x1000, 0x3800, 0x3800, 0x7c00, 0x3800, 0x3800, 0x1000, 0x0000, 
...

What utility do I use to transform this into something X understands?

Thanks, Rob
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From: svdhara@mongoose.syr.EDU ()
Subject: x3270
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 11:12:38 EST



  We work on Sun O.S. 4.1.2 X11 R4 Openwin.v3. 
When we try to run x3270 on this environment,the following 
error message comes: 
 
Warning: Cannot convert string "3270" to type FontStruct 
 
In addition,the screen is garbled. 
 
I have checked the font.dir and it is in the font path. 
I also tried to include the fonts in the current directory and add the 
current directory to the font path with: 
 
xset +fp [path]  
xset fp rehash 
 
But still ,the error message persists. 

In the Makefile,TOP=. (TOP is defined as current dir.).Is this affecting
the execution of x3270?

If you can go through my Makefile and suggest a solution,please let me know.
I will immediately mail it you.
  
Can you  suggest a solution? 
 
Sastry Dhara 
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From: rchui@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Raymond Chui)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.x.intrinsics
Subject: Our Approach
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:28:27 GMT
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center - White Oak

We are writing some Xlib, Xt/Motif and PEX programs. Our programs are so
simple, read the image data, XCreateImage, XPutImage and display. Well,
everybody knows X is dam slow. If you have huge image database, such 
a world map. It takes 3 to 5 minutes to read and display the XImage.
Doesn't matter you have 128 MB RAM and 140 MB swap disk space.
 
Before we can get a fiber-optic computer, a supper-conductor(right now
we only have semi-conductor) computer, a 1000 GHz CPU.
We are try to take some other approaches, such as "shared memory" and
"multi-threads". Write two or three separate programs and compiling
sepately. For example, program1 read image database only, program2
XCreateImage only and program3 XPutImage only.
 
But we have no ideas how to do that. Do we need a new operating system
other than Unix? Do we need POSIX operating system? Are the shared memory
and multi-threads parts of X protocol? We don't know much about the
shared memory and multi-threads. Can anyone out there tell me where I can
get any paper, documentation, book, O'Reilly "animal book", "color book"
and ftp site talk about the shared memory and multi-threads. Or give
me your ideas how to write a X program running "supper-fast".
 
 Thank you very much in advance!
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From: naftaly@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)
Subject: xarchie problems.
Reply-To: naftaly@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:32:51 GMT


I am using xarchie. Untill yesterday it was working fine. Now when I am doing a
search, I am getting an error window with the message: 
   "Prospero error: Can't resolve hostname (dirsend) "

Can somebody please tell me what's wrong ?

thanks, 

Naftaly Stramer

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From: gildea@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Stephen Gildea)
Subject: Re: test suites
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:58:54 GMT

The X Test Suite *does* test the client side as well as the X server.
The word "Xlib" in the title of the Test Suite is your clue....

 < Stephen
   MIT X Consortium
From: dpulyk@devo.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dennis Pulyk)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.apps
Subject: strip chart utility for statistics
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 22:24:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Sherritt Gordon Ltd

Is there an X tool that will display a strip chart for a statistic
something like xload? I would like to be able to get info from a
file
say every so many minutes and display it. Why write something if it
has already been done!
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From: svdhara@mongoose.syr.EDU ()
Subject: x3270 problems
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 11:05:24 EST



 THANKS TO ALL WHO HELPED ME FIX x3270 bug.

 Thanks for your advice in helping me fix x3270 problem.The
following sequence of operations helped me do it:

 1) make

    2)convertfont -v 3270.bdf

    3)xset +fp (current-dir path) --- I copied all font files to cur-dir

    4)xset fp rehash

    5)x3270 ibm-host ( x3270 suvm)  -- suvm is the ibm-host


Thanks.

Sastry Dhara  
Network Systems
Syracuse University
Syracuse,NY 13210   Ph:(315)445-7035
                    email:svdhara@mailbox.cis.syr.edu
From: envbvs@epb11.lbl.gov (Brian V. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.apps
Subject: Re: xfig and rotated text
Date: 20 Nov 1992 17:41:44 GMT
Organization: lbl
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.123

In article <richard.722213200@dutepp13>, Richard.Kooijman@dnpap.et.tudelft.nl (Richard Kooijman) writes:


|> I know that xfig can't rotate text, but I have read somewhere that the
|> latest version (we have 2.1.6) should display at least a rotated box
|> so that you can see where the text will end up on paper.
|> 
|> If I try this, I get the same old result: no rotated text, no box.
|> Did I misread whatever I read or do you have to do something to enable
|> this new feature?

From the CHANGES file:

o new resource "textoutline" (class "TextOutline") and command-line argument
        "-textoutline" which will outline text in red to show the bounding box
        that the text will occupy when printed (useful for rotated text)

and from The Fine Man page:

     -te[xtoutline]
          Specifies that xfig will draw a red (on color machines)
          outline  of  the "actual" bounding box of text objects.
          This is mostly useful for determining what rotated text
          will  look  like since xfig doesn't show the text rota-
          tion on the canvas.

-- 
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From: mazz@ipac.caltech.edu (Joe Mazzarella)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.apps
Subject: Re: Contour plotting...
Date: 22 Nov 1992 23:46:52 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: crystal.ipac.caltech.edu

Dan Cook="uncle dan"=dcook@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:

>I'm still looking for a contour plotting package... I have
>gotten two possibles from several responses... contour and
>gnuplot, both of which may be wonderful packages, but alas
>they lack the ability to plot contours for a set of x,y,z
>data which is not evenly spaced on a rectangular grid...
>Part of my problem is that not all of my data is evenly
>spaced, so I can't really get what I need from either of
>these two programs... If anyone has any other ideas, please
>let me know...

If you are working on a UNIX workstation, I highly recommend The 
"Generic Mapping Tools (GMT)-SYSTEM plotting package 
by Paul Wessal & Walter Smith. This outstanding package solves many 
of the common gridding and map projection problems encountered when 
making contour/gray-scale maps and scatter plots. The "surface" program 
in GMT uses a continuous curvature gridding algorithm to grid arbitrarily 
spaced data like you describe. You can then use the "grdcontour" program 
to contour the data, not to mention many other useful plotting options.
The reference they quote for the gridding algorithm used in GMT/surface is:

     Smith, W. H. F, and P. Wessel, 1990, Gridding with  continu-
     ous curvature splines in tension, Geophysics, 55, 293-305.

You can obtain GMT via anonymous ftp from kiawe.soest.hawaii.edu 
(128.171.151.16). Good luck.

-Joe Mazz
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From: ars@ebony.cc.columbia.edu (Ali R. Siddiqui)
Subject: Printing with X
Keywords: Printing
Organization: Columbia University
Distribution: USA
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:41:11 GMT

Hello all,

	I have been writing a program which displays a graph of statistics  
on the screen now I need to add a print option to it and I was wondering  
if any of you have had any experience with makeing a hardcopy on a ps  
printer of the Graph which I am displaying in the window using Xdrawline.

	Any help will be greatly appreciated.

	Thankyou,

		-Ali

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From: jem@sunSITE.unc.edu (Jonathan Magid)
Subject: Re: Tcl/tk
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:18:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.211622.1@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu> ramirez@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu writes:
>Hello all,
>
>	Where can I find the tcl/tk toolkit, other than from
>sprite.berkeley.edu?  I can not access that site.
>
>Thanks
>ramirez@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu

sunsite.unc.edu provides a mirror of all the tcl/tk stuff on both
sprite and barkley.  Its available in /pub/languages/tcl.

jem.
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From: erik@maui.til.com (Erik Horstkotte)
Subject: Re: xcalc in slide rule mode
Organization: Togai InfraLogic, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:59:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.161513.22029@dazixco.ingr.com>, naftaly@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) writes:

|> The man pages I have metioned the -analog option, but trying "xcalc -analog" 
|> will not work.

Well, it works for me under Sun's OpenWindows 2.0, which is
supposedly somewhere between X11R3 and X11R4.  Perhaps it was dropped
in X11R5?
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.apps
From: rvenable@helix.nih.gov (Richard M. Venable)
Subject: Re: IslandWrite, X and Xstations
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:58:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.171016.24883@news.nd.edu> corporon@wizard.helios.nd.edu (phillip corporon) writes:
>1. How do I set the cursor color on IslandWrite?
>But when I run IslandWrite on the Xstation, the
>cursor is yellow and very hard to see.  I've looked at the .IslandWrite
>file and tried setting the defaults in the .Xdefaults file.  No luck,

I've found setting X client options in ~/.Xdefaults requires the 'xrdb'
command to make the settings take effect.  Since I use 'csh', my ~/.login
file does   source ~/.Xinit    which contains    xrdb ~/.Xdefaults   which
must be repeated if ~/.Xdefaults is modified.  Depending on how X is set up and
maintained on your system, you may wish to use the -merge option of xrdb to
avoid wiping out some predefined X client options.

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From: jrm@beta.ma.adfa.oz.au (John R Marley)
Subject: Xfig/fig2dev produce wrong size PostScript
Organization: Maths Dept., A.D.F.A., Canberra, Australia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:27:44 GMT

Hello world!

I'm running Xfig and Transfig versions 2.1.5 and have found a problem that
occured with a previous version but I never did anything about.  If I start
xfig using metric dimensions (xfig -metric) and draw a line in 10cm long, it
comes out 9.5cm long on the laser printer.  If I use imperial dimensions (xfig
-imperial) and draw a line, it comes out the correct size.

All figures drawn with metric dimensions come out shrunk by 0.95.  This is
rather annoying since I live in a country that uses metric rather than imperial
and I would much rather use the measurements I know.  Surely someone out there
has found this problem and tried to fix it!  I tried to fix version 2.1.3, but
the rulers didn't work properly after that.

If I get fed up enough I might have another go...  But until then, does anyone
know how to fix this?

Thanks in advance,

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From: larry@reg.triumf.ca (Lawrence Clarke)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.apps
Subject: Internet News Reader for X-Windows
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:14:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: reg.22NOV199207140244
Distribution: world
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: reg.triumf.ca
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Does anyone know if there is an internet news reader program for X-Windows ?

If so, where ???

Thanks,

Lawrence Clarke
TRIUMF, UBC
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From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Subject: Re: Seeking index of xapps
Originator: lewart@rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Organization: UIUC Physics Department
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 11:57:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.190237> dhw@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us (David West) writes:

> Anyone know where there's a list of xapp names with very brief descriptions?
> There's a lot of stuff out there with names that don't give a clue to the
> functions implemented.

Anonymous ftp to export.lcs.mit.edu and get /contrib/00-index.txt .

Daniel Lewart
d-lewart@uiuc.edu
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From: naftaly@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)
Subject: Re: Calculator that does hex?
Reply-To: naftaly@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:23:40 GMT


In article <1992Nov16.163650.18067@rtsg.mot.com>, king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist) writes:
>Does anyone know of an X-Windows calculator that does hexadecimal?  Now,
>nothing beats my handy HP-16C at my side, but there are times when I'm
>without it and I need to do a few quick calculations.
>
>We're running X11R4 here (on top of SunOS 4.0.3), so forgive me if this
>is included in the R5 distribution.
>
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>                                                       |   king@rtsg.mot.com

If you have OpenWindow you can use 'calctool'

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From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: Calculator that does hex?
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:36:50 GMT

Does anyone know of an X-Windows calculator that does hexadecimal?  Now,
nothing beats my handy HP-16C at my side, but there are times when I'm
without it and I need to do a few quick calculations.

We're running X11R4 here (on top of SunOS 4.0.3), so forgive me if this
is included in the R5 distribution.

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From: corporon@wizard.helios.nd.edu (phillip corporon)
Subject: IslandWrite, X and Xstations
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:10:16 GMT

I hope this is the right group, anyway...
I have two problems running IslandWrite on an IBM Xstation model
130?  The Xstation boots from an IBM RS/6000 and then uses a Sun
IPC to login to and run applications.  It's running twm.
1. How do I set the cursor color on IslandWrite?  IslandWrite
resides on a server and is loaded over the network.  If I run
IslandWrite on my Sun Workstation, the colors are "normal" with
a black cursor.  But when I run IslandWrite on the Xstation, the
cursor is yellow and very hard to see.  I've looked at the .IslandWrite
file and tried setting the defaults in the .Xdefaults file.  No luck,
any ideas?
2. Under the Help Menu, in the help index the large text box, on the
right side, displays each letter in a mirror image.  Some vertically
symmetric letters, like A, o, O, u, and U appear normal, but the rest
require some mental gymnastics to decipher.  Got any ideas on this one?

Thanks for your help...Phil.

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From: dcook@garnet.berkeley.edu (Dan Cook)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.apps
Subject: A general problem compiling C programs.
Date: 17 Nov 1992 21:37:46 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

I have been having a recurring problem when I try to make
some of the public domain applications... During compilation
of some C programs I will get an error along the lines of:

Parameter list cannot contain fewer parameters than required by 
macro definition.

This usually occurs (when it happens) in an include (header?, *.h
type file) in a line such as:

extern  void *memcpy();


where memcpy has already been used in a macro definition such as

#define DFmovmem(from, to, len) memcpy(to, from, len)


I am attempting to compile this code on an ibm RS6k... Is this a simple
thing or am I going to need to get hold of an experienced C-programmer
(which I am not) to help me get this sorted out?

-uncle dan
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From: azhao@cs.arizona.edu (Qiang Alex Zhao)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.apps,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.x.intrinsics
Subject: Re: Our Approach
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:53:32 GMT
Followup-To: comp.windows.x.apps
Organization: Computer Science Dept, Univ of Arizona, Tucson

In article <1992Nov19.182827.21627@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, rchui@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Raymond Chui) writes:
|> We are try to take some other approaches, such as "shared memory" and
|> "multi-threads". Write two or three separate programs and compiling
|> [stuff deleted ...]

Well if you are doing "simple" application at this moment -- we have a
simple interface to X in the SR programming language. SR can make use
of multiprocessors (if you have) and distributed computing power (say,
a network of workstations). And SR is easy to learn.

The interface to X is still underdevelopment and we'll add support for
image-file I/O quite soon.

If interested: ftp to cs.arizona.edu in directory /sr:
	README		- brief description of SR
	srwin.tar.Z	- the graphics package

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From: salnick@dejavu.spk.wa.us (There is no substitute for displacement...)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.apps
Subject: xpostit
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:33:49 GMT
Organization: Not Organized

Can anyone tell me where to find xpostit?  A fairly recent directory 
listing of export.lcs.mit.edu /contrib only showed a patch...

bob
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From: dcook@garnet.berkeley.edu (Dan Cook)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x.apps
Subject: Thanks for the help!
Date: 20 Nov 1992 01:19:58 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

I just want to send out a blanket "Thank you very
much!!!" for the help I have received recently from
a large number of people who read this group regularly...

I was in need of a contour plotting package and got 
a number of responses (I'm looking at two at the moment,
one which was mailed to me, and the other is NCAR graphics)

I was also having problems with macro definitions and it
turns out there was a little bug that slipped in to AIX
between 3.1 and 3.2 which was causing problems... 

Once again, thanks to everyone who sent me advice, files,
and comments!

-uncle dan
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From: kaiser@mammal.vbo.dec.com (Peter Kaiser)
Subject: Re: xfig, and Supoj Sutanthavibul
Reply-To: kaiser@uniriv.vbo.dec.com
Organization: DEC Technology Integration Group
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:10:10 GMT


--
In article <SJAMESON.92Nov11140932@fergie.dnet.ge.com>,
sjameson@fergie.dnet.ge.com (Stephen M Jameson) writes:

>1. Does anybody know how to get in touch with Supoj Sutanthavibul?  I have his
>name, and assume from the header to the xfig programs that he is at MIT, but
>don't know where to go from there.

If you have the current version of the package then you should be able to
find that Brian Smith is the current maintainer/enhancer of the package,
and no one else.  If you don't have the current version (2.1.6) then get it
from export.lcs.mit.edu.

>2. Does anybody know how to resolve object overlapping in xfig?

Objects have depth, and the one with the greatest depth is on the bottom.
Depth can be set when you create an object or by editing it.

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