From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: White gas (was: Re: Riding with Gas)
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:12:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.180452.11122@i88.isc.com>, jeq@i88.isc.com
(Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
|> In article <Bxx74B.8HI@world.std.com> kdg@world.std.com (Keith D
|> Gregory) writes:
|> >In article <1992Nov11.190254.8516@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com
|> |> >(David Svoboda) writes:
|> >>

|> Stuff from David deleted

|> White gas, as I understood it when we used to buy it all the time,
|> was
|> gasoline with no antiknock additives.  Probably means the octane
|> rating
|> is low - anyone know exactly?
 As I remember when growing up from my teen years in the 
late 60's my dad used to run "white gas" in his lawn mower.
He used "American" or "Flying A" (boy if that doesnt date me).
That was termed "white gas" and supposedly had no lead in it.
 
|> Coleman fuel (or generic "camp stove fuel") is supposedly white gas
|> with additives to keep the burner clean.
 From a friend of mine in Manville NJ who has been in a fire
department for 12 years and is into "fire stuff". Coleman fuel
is almost pure Naptha and from his comments is pretty nasty stuff
as far as burning is concerned (apparently popular in arsons I gather) 
|> I'm wondering if, in an emergency, a gallon of stove fuel with some
|> lead substitute would work as a motor fuel.
 In an "EMERGENCY" you could always try it, however it would have to
be an "EMERGENCY" and not an "emergency" if you know what I mean, I
would not risk a $grand+ just to find out.
|> 
|> BTW, anyone else have the new "Amoco Clear" gas in your markets yet?
|> The advertising claims it's "purer", which is of course "proven" by
|> the fact that it's clear.  The fact that most auto gas is amber
|> because
|> of the amber dye added to it for identification is ignored in the
|> advertisements.
  Here in the NJ area they are selling "oxygenated" fuel in all the 
stations, and boy did the milage on my S-10 go down when I was
using it for the first 2 weeks of oct (Oct1-Apr1) now I buy my
gas in PA where they use normal stuff. While I was at guard this
past weekend at Ft Dix one of the guys had bought a Nissan Pathfinder
and was pretty pissed about the whole thing, the additive in the
oxygenated fuel ate up the gaskets or diaphram in the fuel pump
and trashed some stuff in the injectors. The bitch was that Nissan
would not cover it under warranty. Guess I'd be pretty tight if
I just spent +20k on a new truck and voided my warranty by using
the wrong fuel. His question to the dealer was "What the hell am
I supposed to do" dealers reply was "Buy your gas in PA or NY state"
Great answer in my book.
|> Personally, I'm mad as hell about this stuff.  It's an aircraft
|> fueling
|> accident waiting to happen.  (Or do they neutralize the dye at the
|> individual stations?  The red and blue dyes in 80 and 100LL avgas
|> are
|> designed to turn clear when mixed - maybe the amber does as well -
|> in
|> which case, they are making it clear by adding more impurities.
The Military dyes their fuel "Red" (NJ state does also) so to
me it is an aid. Never knew anyone else did, I used to use
avgas in my GT350 after I added Hilborn FI back in 68 but
it was rough on the plugs. Wouldn't run on anyting but
sunoco 250 or 260 and flat out would not start using
Shell or Gulf premium. It was kinda indifferent to Amaco
or American as it was known then. My 1100 seems to run well
on almost anything though I was concerned when leaded gas
was no longer available and I did not want to carry 5 or 6
vodka "airline" bottles around with me (with my luck some
one would drink one thinking it was vodka) Sunoco only has
two grades of fuel, the other 5 are resultants of mixing in
the pump.
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