From: un025720@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Eve teasing: was incident in PTC bus...
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:08:15 SYS$TIME_ZONE
Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing


                  EVE teasing is such a big menace in Madras and more
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so in PTC buses and bus stands.
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                  "well said, Radhika for correctly pointing the Madraspuli"

A recent article in News India sighted that the fault is
on the girls who dress in an obscene manner. I would not agree nor would
most of the women. I am sure most of the women who go out of their house
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for study or work would certainly have faced atlest one embarrasment by
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the eve teasers.
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               May be somebody among the netters know why eve teasing is
mandatory for college boys!!

       It is possible that every body wants to emulate the heroes of our
'beloved silver screen'  I hope that someday!!!! it stops.

Tail piece:
The first time I ever reported on such a thing my father advised me ignore
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the guys. (which I did, of course); and told the "veera prathapas" of his
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yester years.
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                    Manjula Ibrahim.
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Responding to the above article you wrote:

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In article <1993Jan5.170816.4369@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>
 un025720@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
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>                  EVE teasing is such a big menace in Madras and more
>so in PTC buses and bus stands.
>
>                    Manjula Ibrahim.

I have never lived or studied in Madras city. But from what I have
seen, Italy, particularly south of Rome, beats any city in India.
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But people take it in light spirit, as long as nobody is 'hurt'.
During my visits to Madras (and travel in non-college peak hours),
it does not appear as alarming.

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  Your 'Ah, "I have seen Rome, Italy... nothing like that in India...
  But people take it in light spirit blah blah blah"' was *clearly*
  an attempt to undermine the seriousness of the issue under discussion
  and how strongly the original poster felt about the same. NOTHING BUT!
  If you have never lived in Madras, you had no business to dive in to
  a discussion and proclaim that from *your* visits you didn't find these
  quite alarming, by which you were implicitly questioning the authenticity
  of Ms.Ibrahim's statements. [*Now*, you can cleverly tell anything you
  want] Your implicit message: "Madras or Italy, Grin and Bear,girls!"

  Hence, my strong reaction.


   2) About hurting people emotionally with my posts, I fail to see
      how a person who endorses far worse things in Rome, Italy could
      not empathize with me. Surely, you are kidding Mr. Srinivasan!
      To top it, you have squeezed in the line that I am capable of
      hurting "either gender". Thanks once again for your Jyothishic
      farsightedness. If disagreeing and dissenting with *your*
      opinions/views is 'hurting' to *u*, I am willing to play sadist.

   3) About lots of people agreeing that your view was not 'moronic',
      [what else did they say? Brilliant!], all I can say is I am no
      Swamiji to know who feels the way you do on this issue and engage
      in intelligent discussions with 'em or find out what makes them
      think so. Anyone who posts on a *newsgroup* is accountable for
      his/her views and so the matter ends right there.

   About my hurting the Brahmin community with my posts, I give three
   hoots to your allegations. I have no intention to act as a guardian
   of any community nor have I ever considered myself to be a spokesman
   of one. If I feel strongly about an issue, I respond. My responses
   get strident & personal when I find someone trying to gag my freedom
   of expression and as far as sct goes,I shd say, u have been a torchbearer
   in muzzling dissent [not hatred] with your "these guys are our enemies
   ...... screwing this newgroup.........ignore them guys,nyah, send them
   very 'personal' mails" at the drop of a hat. About Brahmin community
   not being a respected community, I could care less; more so if that shd
   trample on my right to form my opinions independently. Don't extrapolate
   from my posts that I represent pressure groups or play politics. You
   are darned wrong about that. Frankly Mr. Srinivasan, I give a damn
   to 'community-respect' if that shd mean mortgaging *my* freedoms.
   And u certainly don't represent my views, if u tht u were speaking
   on behalf of my community [as you claimed; whatever that may be] and
   u didn't do this community any good with your 'light spirited' views
   on eve-teasing. You continue to crave respect from one and all and I will
   continue to safeguard my freedom. Stop sidetracking issues!

   Finally, here is the 'gem' in your mail:

>Inspite of your un-warranted sarcasm and personal remarks like:
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>"(Srinivasan K.) in his infinite wisdom about ethical/moral codes
>for his opposite gender blurts:", I thought blurting some more
>will not hurt, particularly towards scholars like you.
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   This is one credit I will not take away from you. [your sarcastic,
   1upmanship,i mean] Good luck and stop sending me e-mails, if you
   can't be half as honest as your subject line ["My apologies...."]
   wd have me believe. If you still want to torment the netters,i'm
   game. Give up your moral posturings and remember that a newsgroup
   is an equal playing field however big, mighty and aged one might
   be otherwise.

 bk 

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