From: ai843@yfn.ysu.edu (Ishaq S. Azzam)
Subject: RE: STOP IT
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:42:41 GMT


Hello every body,

I have been following part of the latest nonsense war, and
have just few comments about it in which I intend to stop
this war period.  I am new to sca, and I hope to be
welcomed.

I have to admit that this Aziz guy has been reacting lately out
of his.  What is this?  Grow up!  I really feel sorry for you.

The author of STOP IT had put a real good suggestions to stop this
needless war, and look what you did.  You once say okay I will give
it up and then come back blaming Hamza again for all of this
nonsense.  I blame you as much as I blame Hamza.  As it was said
let every body puts whatever he likes.

In article <1993Jan21.015719.18268@trl.OZ.AU>faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Fari

>In article <1993Jan21.182335.729@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, rzantout@magnus.a
>|>
>|> I hope this personal war b/w ibaa, aziz, hamza, etc comes to an end.
>|> One doesn't have to blame Hamza for all of this.  The whole war if
>|> I am not mistaken started when aziz started making fun of what hamza
>|> was saying, then later ibaa came and sided with aziz, then hamza
>|> came back and did what he did.  Of course what I, personally, think
>|> was a result of what others did to him.

>This whole war started when Hamza, claimed that the present problems in the
>Arabic world are due to the fact that Arabs are not Muslims. To which I
>responded and said religion has no solution for Arabic unity.

So far so good, every body has his own views.  If he is thinking
islamically, you are thinking non-islamically.  What is wrong?

>By his logic
>one can easily claim that the present problems are due to the fact that Arabs
>are Muslims. Since the Golden rules are made by the Christian west, Does any
>one get that point.

Personally, I don't get your point.  Again you have to relax and
stop going back in history to what he and you said.  Who are we?
Do you think we are your parents and want to punish Hamza for
whatever he did to you?  Grow up, sir.

>>I criticised him not to defend Christianity, but to defend my Nationalistic
>>ideals that are Non-religious.

>|>
>|> If this war is to come to an end, one of the following has to be done:
>|>
>|> - All of ibaa, hamza, aziz are to stop posting to the sca
>|>   and play somewhere else.
>|> - All must exchange their messages by using personal email and
>|>   not by showing off and stretching their brains on sca.
>|> - All must not respond to one other messages by either ignoring
>|>   them or using kill files.
>|> - Aziz must stop criticizing islam and muslims.
>|>   Hamza must stop criticizing christians.
>|>   Ibaa must stop playing the judge of the net and
>|>   propose to people what they must post and what must not.

>Let me tell I have nothing but great respect for Muslims who respect other
>people's beleifs. I am not Christian fanatic, I am natioanlistic. I have
>criticised Hamza's version of Islam becasue he attempts to lable any one who
>is not like him a Kafir and a Mushrik and attach a religious lable to that
>individual.

Again if that what he thinks, why is it bothering you personally?
In Islam that is a true fact.  It is not as you claim it is Hamza's
version of Islam.  People of the book and non-muslims are Kafir and
Mushrik.  Either you have to accept that or go and
modify every word in the Qur'an.  If you can't do that, grow up!

>Only a biggot will do so. Have you read his latest articles?.

Actually your latest articles Mr. Aziz are much much worse than
his.  You were the one who drove him into this mess.  And once
he did insult you, you went like a meniac crying all over.

>Since God`s existance can nether be proved or disproved, hence, we cannot
>prove that the Qur'an is the word of God.

What is this again?  Grow up sir.  Not all people believe in what
you say here.  To me and most of the people God's existence can
be proved.  Therefore, your allegation about Quran are dead wrong.
Please try to understand 90% of the Arabs are muslims and you
offend them by saying such illogical facts.

>Should Muslims like him continue
>to spit in the face of Non-Muslims?.

I think you do that more than him.  I didn't follow much of what
you posted but the previous statement is obvious.

>|>
>|> If none of the above is feasible, please all of you try to grow up
>|> and respect others' opinions even if it was offending to you, and
>|> understand no one will change his mind because he reads few articles
>|> of one of yours.  If christians want to post what they believe, let
>|> them do that.  If jews want to post what they believe, let them do
>|> that.  If muslims want to post what they belive, let them do that.
>|> However, one has not ever try to insult, make fun, or what have you,
>|> in order to deviate the other person away.  If one does, the problem
>|> will get worse and worse, and we will end up to a situation like
>|> we are in now.

>It does not get any worse, I assure. My whole argument with him, was to
>show that this is the source of the problem, which he neglects.

I think the source of the problem is that you didn't understand
the above paragraph as you continue blame it all on him.

>|>
>|> So please, all of you grow up and give up your stupid ways of
>|> shutting up other people.
>|>
>|> This is really my personal opinion, the war parties may agree or
>|> disagree with this.  But please take this message seriously.  I
>|> don't wanna be dragged into this war.  If nobody of the war members
>|> likes what I say, I apologize in advance.  I hope this
>|> would be the last message in which we see names like, "o wise man",
>|> "o christian man", "shut up", "idiot", "bottom of shoes more honest...",
>|> "barabaric", "Hmaar", "Garbage",...

>Do you want me to share the messages I have received from a peice of trash
>who claims to be a Muslim and was even bad talking about my own parents?.

You still acting like a crying kid.  No body wants to share anything
with nobody.  If it is a personal mail, keep it for yourself.

>I
>will be the first to be ashamed of insulting hamza, and even admitted that.
>However, he continues to be abusive toward Non-Muslims.

Well, for the past few days, Hamza didn't post anything to insult
non-muslims.  You are the one who continues to do that.  I will assure
you I will stand against him if he continues such a rabbish.

>|>
>|> Final Appeal, if any of ibaa, aziz, hamza, etc finds this was
>|> a step towards stopping this war, please reply to this message,
>|> saying that you will abide to it.

>I thank you for the appeal, I have made a pledge not engage with any discussio
>with him in his present mentality.

You still reacting like a kid.  Stop calling names and grow up.  I respect
the fact you give up writing to him.

>>With High Regards,

>A.Faris


Taheeati,

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