From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: WITHER PATRIOTISM ?
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:58:38 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
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In article <1992Oct9.123451.15698@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sphanda@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (surinder.phanda) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.223436.19533@news.clarkson.edu>, rajat@sunny1.che.clarkson.edu (Rajat Kapoor) writes:
>
>Would you?? The fact is, a lot of Indians do actually choose not to 
>go back.....

That was some time ago. In fact now the trend since the 90's started has been 
for more Indians to go back and work in India than stay here.

Though still there is a lot to be done for the tide to reverse in favor of us
going back rather than staying here.

>Why? surely to talk from experience is the best example.

I agree, but not from the experiences of others who may have a self-centered
selfish motive in coming back after just facing some problems in India after
not having tried to overcome them.

>To some it does appear inhospitable - you have to accept that.

Well in what sense inhospitable I do not understand. In that case,  the U.S.
is still more inhospitable what with lax gun control laws, etc.  where  life 
and property is not safe.  An example would be the city of Oakland,  CA.  In
fact,  just last night  there was a  shooting in a complex where most of our
Indian students live, and the incident took place between 2 roomates, one of
whom shot the other. These two guys stay next door to the apartment where  5
of the Indians stay and 2 more apartments in the complex have some 7 Indians
staying. They all feel that the U.S.,  is not  only  inhospitable due to the 
fact that it is highly unsafe, but also due to the fact that sometimes there
is an odd occasion of discrimination against them and those whom they know.

>Why ever not?? Just because you are a native of a particular country
>does not mean hard hitting truthful facts about it cannot be raised....
>Take off the rose tinted glasses please!

Criticism of the positive kind which leads to some type of action that leads
to beneficial change is good and should be welcomed. However criticism  that
is meant to be done only for the sake of itself is negative,  and turns into
a counterproductive effort.

>Well, are'nt they?? The MAJORITY (who do not have the comforts or haven
>of a Western country) do live in a "cesspool of misery". They don't
>have the luxury of making tough decisons about which private school
>to send their kids.... or whether to change jobs and move into 
>another (luxury) home....etc..

The same situation occure here. The only reason why Indians here are'nt able 
to recognize it is due to the fact that a majority of them are affluent, and
are away from these problems that the common American faces.

>I doubt if any family has time.....they are too busy surviving.

Here it is even worse. They survive only till the next paycheck.

>I love India too, but Snap out it. India has changed a lot (much of it 
>for the worst) since the days of the "ancestary" you're talking about. 
>Of course there are similarities between Indians, but don't turn 
>us into clones!    

Well so have other countries changed a lot for the worse, and it is our duty
to try and reverse the process.

>The U.S has always been considered a country of opportunity. It's where
>a lot immigrants dreams came true, and continue to come true....
>People did'nt abandon it because it did so much for them. Unfortunatley
>the same is not true of India. Just look at the lines of people at
>foreign embassies waiting to get out .....

Just look at the number of places in the world where an American passport is
something that can get you killed. They are almost in every continent.

>So you want an obedient woman that agrees with everything you say
>and "knows her place" - typical!

That does not mean what you implied. It  means that a woman who is patriotic
is more like-minded and preferable to him.


>> Rajat Kapoor 
>
>Ms Surinder Phanda

Regards,
Vivek.

-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Research Assistant, Systems Engineering Lab., Dept. Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian