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From: cg18ffl@icogsci1.ucsd.edu (Spumoni...)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 25 Dec 92 07:15:59 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: University of California, San Diego

>
>     As the energizer rabbit seemed to indicate,  Still waiting and waiting and waiting (for the new SCALA MM200 and other AA softwares).
>
>                                                         -TKH '92

Scala MM200 was reviewed in the latest issue of New Media magazine. Is this
the version that Commodore gives away with 3000s, or was that AmigaVision? Or
was that an older version? Or am I completely wrong? Dammit. Too many rum
balls. 

(Scala 'MM200' ---all right. Sounds like a jet plane or something...)

As I recall, the package got very good reviews, but the reviewer docked it for
being hardware-dongle protected. That's sort of strange, I think. This is a
pretty expensive package, but it's no piece of 10K Unix software. I'm not sure
it merits such a thing, but in the Amiga market these days they have to protect
their product any way they can...


----------------------
...nverenin@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 18:19:41 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>Are American tax forms really that difficult to fill out?

Not for most individuals, but for about 10% of the population
that has any sort of depreciation, capital gains, or anything other
than "fill in your income. send it in. thanks" there are literally
100's of possible forms.


TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does reading this gr
Date: 30 Dec 92 07:34:02 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.05 Dec 30 1992

> Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
> From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
> Message-ID: <C01GsK.L4C@news.iastate.edu>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>
> In article <58064@dime.cs.umass.edu>
> barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>
>   I doubt it would uplift me.  Even in Europe there is no CD-ROM or good
> productivity software available for the Amiga.

I  doubt  *anything*  would  uplift you.  Look, there's more to life on the
Amiga  than  CD-ROM  and  whatever  you  consider  to be "good productivity
software".

> -!-
> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
> -!------------------------------------------------

 -Dances With Coyotes - World's slowest programer-Given that God is infinate-
 -AKA Dances V2.0, Coyote, Critter, Magnet, Major-and  that  the universe is-
 -- Former Net-Lurker - YES, an AMIGA godammit! --also  infinate,  would you-
 --- Still limping along with AmigaOS 1.3  :(  ---like a toasted  tea  cake?-


--- Maximus 2.01wb
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: Mark.Stuart@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:27:37 GMT

> 
> No offense, but although screens are a cute feature, I prefer windowing
> other.
> 
> :
> --
> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
> +-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
Have you ever tried a system using screens? Have you ever used the
clipboard on the Amiga? And have you ever used Arexx?!?! I hate Windows for
the fact you can't switch between applicaions quickly and it becomes so
messy. Most applications on the Amiga allow you to open them on the
Workbench and so be like Windows.

You honestly don't know what you're missing out on, Windows feels so kludgy
and messy without this feature and IMHO if it was included it would improve
Windows tenfold! Don't say Amiga applications can't talk to each other when
the Amiga supports Arexx, you don't know how far from the truth you are
(away that is!).


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Colin Stuckless)
Subject: Re: a MB style flame against IBMs
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 08:34:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec26.201833.13859@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Colin Stuckless (colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca) wrote:
>: >
>: >Jeff, you didn't take that post seriously, did you?  It was just some
>: >ignorant moron pissed off at MB, trying to seem intelligent by being
>: >sarcastic.
>:
>:   No, Jerry. It was a 'real life, everyday experience' that the guy had using
>: a clone and Windows. He didn't like it. He was not impressed. He likes his
>: Amiga a lot more. This seems to be a basic concept that you have yet to
>: grasp.
>:  
>
>Well, to me it seems like he spent most of his "real life, everyday
>experience" in FantasyLand.

  Seemed pretty real to me. I don't see why the guy would lie about going over
to a friend's house and checking out his clone.      

  A lot of your posts contain some good points, Jerry. But a lot of times 
you're just too militant in trying to convince everyone that clones are 
superior to the Amiga. Were you beaten up by an Amiga user when you were a
child by any chance?

  Why do you always quote a sentence from anyone who doesn't agree with you,
are try to twist it to your advantage? (see the "real life" part above)
 
  Is that supposed to seem whitty?

>:  \`    \~    \-    \  colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca             

>| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |

-- 
\\\   )))   |||  \ "Take it from me - I know what I'm talking about" 
@ ">  @ ">  @ ">  \   - Ren Hoek in 'Fire Dogs'
 \`    \~    \-    \  colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca             
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: Tandy (Was: Re: Educational Software/CDTV)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 06:14:04 GMT

papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>Today I was looking at the VIS machine at a Radio Shack (Tandy) store.
>>Here's an honest to god conversation:
>>
>>Me: Pretty neat. What kind of processor does it have?
>>Salesman: Oh it doesn't need one. Its not a computer.
>>
>>Hasn't Commodore been down this same path?  I have to admit though,
>>since it uses Modular Windows, it looks to have a better chance
>>at success than the other two offerings.
>
>You may already know this, but in case you are curious, it's an 80x86
>compatible.  I'm not sure which one.

It's an 80286, I believe.  Reportedly, its design was begun back when
the MPC spec only called for that level of cpu.  (Since then, MPC has
changed to requiring an 80386.)

>But how does the VIS look?

Not too bad.  As people have noted, Tandy did a nice demo which (altho
a bit corny) does tend to get passing shoppers to try it out.

cheers - kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:03:38 GMT

In <1992Dec21.180723.23302@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>No offense, but although screens are a cute feature, I prefer windowing
>systems, where each window can be dragged horizontally as well as vertically,
>and applications have consistent user interfaces and know how to talk to each
>other.

Hmm. That would be a problem if screens were the only feature of the GUI.
On the Amiga you have screens _and_ windows and wether programs have a
consistent user interface or can talk to each other doesn't depend on
being on an extra screen or not.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
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                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comdex/Quicktime released for the PC
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:01:40 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <Bzqw4K.3n8@starnine.com> mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
> All you can speak of is the top-of-the-line mac!  So unless you
> spend the max, you can't get decent animation, eh?

No, I never said this.  You did. I specifically said otherwise.

> If you're trying to get the maximum frame rate possible, A
> Macintosh is not what you want to use.

No, and it's not an Amiga, either.

> >(Although using QT 1.5 I can playback 320 x 
> >240 animations at 30 fps on a 16 bit/pixel screen.)
> 
> Using only the most expensive mac.  Go ahead, pay apple for the 
> priveledge of doing what an Amiga 600 can do better.

The A600 has 16 bit/pixel video?  Really?  Even a Mac LC has that.

> And the fact that you need an 040 to do simple 30fps anims indicates
> you're not using the right computer.

No.  Re-read my post.  I specifcally said slower Macs were capable of 30 
fps animations.

- Dale Adams
From: rcmerrit@apgea.army.mil (Robert C. Merritt <rcmerrit>)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows Lameness
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:30:45 GMT
Organization: APG-Edgewood

In article <BzqvM4.CvM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> gcastrat@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Giancarlo Castrataro) writes:
>
>     Ok, about a day ago I was using my friend's 486 / 33 / 256k cache 
>/ Trident SVGA / Whatever (Computer) with Windows, and it was virtually
>unusable in the 16 color mode, from my point of view.  I don't use GUIs very
>often, but this really crawled compared to my 3000 at home.  Don't give me 
>this "It's not the computer's fault, just Microsoft's problem" argument.  
>The fact is that most IBM users use Windows, and are lucky if they even have
>a 486.  I wouldn't go around comparing Windows on a 386 with a 60840 Amiga 
>running SVR4, now would I?  Ah, the final argument: bitlanes: well, for one
>thing it was only running 16 colors, and my Amiga doesn't even have AGA or a 
>graphics card / coprocessor.
>
>-Giancarlo V. Castrataro


Ahh.. but if it only had 4 megs of ram (or less) and a swap file, I don't
care what processor you have, windows will crawl! (for my taste anyway. My
dad has a 486 sx with 4 megs and is just pleased with Windows performance)
However, I've "played" with a 3000 one evening and I don't think that its
windowing system was any faster that Windows. (I'll agree that Amiga 
3000 will run multitasking rings around a dos+windows, although os/2 is
about equal. IMHO)

Rob Merritt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 12:59:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.075616.4682@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
> What?  What?  You know, for most people, most MS-**DOG** people
> (never mind the fact that we were talking about OS/2) booting from a
> floppy is done in *emergencies* when the _large_ harddrive isn't
> accessible for some reason.

You mean the large hard drive that by itself costs more than an Amiga?
Damn, it's really a scam that Commodore doesn't give them away free.

Let's see, to run OS/2 you need:

	a hard drive that by itself costs more than an Amiga.
	8MB of RAM that cost more than an Amiga.
	an 80486 that costs more than an Amiga.
	a monitor that costs more than an Amiga.
	and a BIG case an power supply. At least that's cheap.

Hasn't it occurred to you that you're talking about a computer that costs
several times what our Amigas cost... and you have to really scrape to find
advantages. There's something wrong with this picture.
-- 
Peter da Silva.  <peter@sugar.neosoft.com>.
 `-_-'   Oletko halannut suttasi tnn?
  'U`    
Tarjoilija, tm ateria el viel.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:50:21 GMT
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Joe O'Hara - Product Assurance (joe@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
:
: >I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that there is *no way* to write
: >directly to the disk sectors under OS/2, except from a device driver.  Also,
: >although an OS/2 program can freely erase important files from the (local)
: >disk, the really crucial stuff (kernel, shared libs, drivers) is still
: >protected agaomst modification and erasure.
:
: So, let's see. A virus can write itself to the disk as a driver, overwriting
: the real one. Rebooting the system will then bring in the bogus driver.
:

I suppose so, but writing a driver is a bit more difficult than writing this:

		   while(1)
			poke(rand(), rand());

:
: Or... A virus can read a shared library as a file, modify it, and rewrite it.
:

Nope.  Shared libraries cannot be modified while they are in use.  That's why
you have to boot OS/2 from a floppy in order to change the display driver
(it's a shared library used by the GUI).

:
: Or... A virus can likewise modify an ini file.
:

As far as I know, this is also impossible.

:
: Or... A virus can likewise modify cmd.exe
:

Can't do that either (as long a there's at least one cmd.exe running
somewhere.

Look, this is a useless argument.  Yes, it's possible to create a virus
for OS/2 -- it is clearly not protected as well as a multi-user system.
If you're trying to say that memory protection has no place in a single-user
system, well, that's a different argument entirely.

:
:   Joe O'Hara                ||      Disclaimer: I didn't say that!
:
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+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
| Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Hanna)
Subject: Re: Byte A4000/A3000T-040 Review
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 22:42:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.135749.6384@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>	I'll let you know what happens after my A4000 blows up from
>	having a backwards fan.  I stuck in my A2286 bridgeboard, and
>	another hard drive, and my internal modem myself.  So far all
>	is working perfectly but when the computer over heats and dies
>	it will probably be myfault because a dealer didn't install
>	the stuff.

Why don't you just turn the fan around?  If you have already voided your 
warantee, then you have nothing to lose

>> TomK@cup.portal.com
Jeff Hanna
From: Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov 17 1992
Date: 22 Dec 92  20:35:04

> Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
> From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
> Message-ID: <1992Dec22.153227.19928@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>
> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
>
> I disagree.  Why is it, then, that Amiga programs *don't* have consistent
> user interfaces?  IMHO, screens are useful on the Amiga for two reasons.

Because  software  programers  dont  follow  the  Style  Guide.  There IS a
standard  for  Amiga GUI's, but for a long time, there was not.  So lots of
things  have not been updated to the standard (and many people still insist
that  their  way  is  better than Commodore's standard, or just dont care).
Consistant  GUI's  are  not  entirely  the Amiga's or Commodore's fault, as
there IS a standard that anyone can follow by simply buying a book.

> First, they are a speed optimization, which isn't necesary on systems with
> decent GUI performance.  Second, some applications need to work at certain

I  dont  care how fast the windows are on a Mac or OS/2 or whatever; moving
around  a  bunch  of  windows  is  never  going to be as fast as I can flip
through screens.

> screen resolutions, and this wouldn't be the case if the Amiga had DIG.

I  don't  think  DIG  would  have,  or  will,  make  multiple  screens  not
usefull/needed.   Some  things require more resolution/colour - some things
do NOT - they can each have their own way.  An editor can open a very fast,
very  memory  efficient  4 colour screen; and your paint program can open a
slower  but  very  colourfull  screen.   Makes  sense  to  me.  I certainly
wouldn't  want  my  text editor being bogged down by having to run on a 256
colour  screen  just  because  I also want to use a paint program, and then
have the windows overlapping causing me to have to move them around - which
is going to be slower on any system compared to screen switching.

To each his own, I guess.

 -Dances With Coyotes - World's slowest programer-Given that God is infinate-
 -AKA Dances V2.0, Coyote, Critter, Magnet, Major-and  that  the universe is-
 -- Former Net-Lurker - YES, an AMIGA godammit! --also  infinate,  would you-
 --- Still limping along with AmigaOS 1.3  :(  ---like a toasted  tea  cake?-


--- Maximus 2.01wb
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: Re: Monitors for the A4000???
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 05:26:46 GMT

cmd1@wuecl.wustl.edu (Chris Dunphy) writes:

>  I suggest everyone look into the Mitsuibishi Diamondscan 1381A.  It handles
>every AGA mode fine, has NO centering problems, and can also handle
>composite input.  I just got mine from Source Electronics for only $260,
>so it is a good deal too.

Say what jack?  Is this a new years day joke?  $260?
Can handle all aga modes fine? 
Can't look much worse than the crappy C= a1960's do?
Are you sure it handles productivity modes?


-- 
Bill SATAN LIVES Gates is the biggest enemy to personal computers ever.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 20:14:19 GMT
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Tom R Krotchko (TomK@cup.portal.com) wrote:
:
: Some of us became pretty thick skinned about our names right about 6th grade.
:

Some of us stopped mocking names at about the same time.

:
: TomK@cup.portal.com
:
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+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
| Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: My WB (was e: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and: )
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:23:40 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

>	True, but in a few days Origin will be releasing Ultima Underworld II.
>   So Dan's stick is going to become a super turbo stick. :)  Anyways, I saw

Did you say "Origin"?  The company which is reported to be porting everything
they've ever (I exaggerate) written to the Amiga?

>'>          Jim Martin   MATRIX -- If it's made, we sell it. Almost.
>'>  ----(612) 656-9693--                         MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
>'>      We're almost done with the Cray module for the EmPlanT.  :) heh
>'>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- 
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: 1200/4000 pricing
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 01:15:29 GMT

In article <C01Hwo.M2z@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>>When you add this up, add tax and shipping, you can hit
>>$1300 and still not have a monitor!


The 1200 is not the machine for people who want a lot of ram or expansion
capability.  You're not going to find much in the way of computers for less
than $599.  And I would think that the cost of ram expansion will come 
down when a few more companies produce them and there is more competition.  
The 1200 was released when, last week?

And C= is releasing some new Quad Sync monitors in February.


>   Two local Omaha dealers are selling 33Mhz 486DX systems with 4M of RAM, 
>SVGA card, SVGA monitor, and 100M hard drive for $1300.  And prices are likely
>going to go lower still. 
>


Yeah... I've been shopping for a PC for the past few days.  Let me tell ya,
there is a lot of junk out there.  Many of the monitors that come with
these systems are unbelievably fussy and many even have visible ghosting.
Further, your still talking about a 486DX on an ISA 16-bit bus, 16-bit ram, 
a slow VGA card, and no sound.  And you're also talking about 4 MB of
ram which is a minimum with Widows.  You're also talking about some no
name brand.  To get a good brand with a good monitor in a 486DX, you're
looking at about $1800 to $2300 or so on an ISA bus with slow VGA card. 
It is still a good deal, I know, but it is not an Amiga.

I'll bet a mid-level 030 Amiga will stack up against the ISA 486 pretty 
well. 


                                    NCW
 
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From: marv@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Marv Gordon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:25:10 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

papresco@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>So?  what DO you have in your system...Mem/HD Space taken by OS/2?
>
>Well, if I get rid of all the "applets" that it comes with (way more
>then AmigaDOS), Virtual memory (which AmigaDOS) doesn't have, Windows
>and DOS compatibliity, I think it would weigh in around 15MB.  That's
>with fonts, icons, bitmaps drivers etc.  OS/2 can boot off of a floppy
>if you want to...

Sure OS/2 can boot off a floppy.  I develop on it and have my OS/2/EE system
right next to me here.  About all you can do after you boot off of the floppy
is move files around.  Nice of you to forget to mention that....

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From: mbrown@legend.akron.oh.us (MARK BROWN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 1200/4000 pricing
Reply-To: mbrown@legend.akron.oh.us
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Organization: The Legend BBS Public Access (216)825-2747

I could Easily see the A1200 becoming the base Machine of the amiga 
Market. I would Guess that the A1200 with 40 Meg HD could be priced at 
600 in about half a Year, Start Phasing out the A600. Viola, you now a 
Have a AGA base Machine. Most Amiga owners know about the A1200 and 
for price will buy one, Most People asking about the A600 will also 
hear about the A1200 and what it can do. If C= markets right(shure)
It could pull alot of People intrested in a Cheapie clone into the 
amiga market, Especially when Bang for the Buck is concerned, there is 
simply no Price comparison.(I know you'll try you damn'est though :) 
).
    Mark