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From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: "Reply to *typed* address"
Date: 9 Jan 93 16:33:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1993Jan9.163319.657
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <9301090949.AA22849@SERVER.uwindsor.ca> ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof) writes:
>
>On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:09:47 -0500 Tim Pierce <twpierce@unix.amherst.edu> said:
>>In article <9301080223.AA22606@SERVER.uwindsor.ca> you write:
>>>What about supporting "R" as a command where one can specify the address
>>>one wishes to use?
>>There is a (f)orward command which works quite nicely in this regard.

>The (f)orward command includes the headers, so doesn't do what I am
>suggesting.  My request is to make things *easier* for the user, not
>to make them do extra work (by having them delete the header-lines).

This is a useful feature.  It makes it quite clear who sent the
original item.  Parsing the headers down would be nice, but not easy
with the vareity of mailers out there.

>As to (f)orward itself, what is the rationale behind prefixing all
>the lines of the forwarded item with ">"s?
>Isn't it much easier (to program) and visually cleaner for the user
>to put a separator line ahead of the forwarded item (something like
>"------- start of forwarded item ------"), and a similar line after
>the forwarded item?

No, its really ugly when you have 6 or 8 ----start of forwarded
item----.  It can be tough to figure out who said what, and people
occaisoally delete those lines.

Adam
Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all.  How true that is.
From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: "Reply to *typed* address"
Date: 9 Jan 1993 19:53:47 GMT
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu

I have to concur that a way to Resend to a different address, but with
the same text, (i.e. Read my lips - no new headers ;-) would be
useful.

My reason is that I attempt to reply to postings from within my
newsreader. But the dark side of NNTP access is that too many netters
now post from boxes with completely bogus From: lines. Then, when mail
bounces, you must grep around in the headers and look for a real
address to Resend it to.

This is also the case with mail to att, for example, where they post
all articles with addresses on cbnews{a-z} & half of my attempts to
THOSE bounce, too ;-{

Now, I can use the Bounce command, but I generally don't want to. Why?
I generally go back and add a sentence pointing out the poster's bogus
From: header. Most go fix them; a minority write back with language of
"I can damm well post with any address I want, bud" or "what do expect
ME to do about it, anyhow?" [at worst, add a Reply-To:, I say]

But given the Elm volunteers are up to their collective compilers with
other things that need doing; I'll understand why this does not appear
for a long time......

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From: syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: filter question
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:23:36 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc., Huntingdon Valley, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: dsinc.dsi.com

Gee a filter problem I can answer...

ellis@rtsg.mot.com (John T Ellis) writes:
>"!/usr/local/elm-2.3/bin/filter -vo /home/loden/ellis/Mail/.elm/filter_errors"

  ^ thats the problem, right there, its a | not an !. (Pipe symbol
  or Stile character)
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: xgye@sierra.ee.umn.edu (sean)
Subject: How to make an alias to a group of people
Keywords: alias ?
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, EE dept.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:48:52 GMT

Hello 

I just started to use elm and like it a lot.  But can anyone tell me 
how to make an alias for a group of people(like all my old classmates)?
Thanks a lot.

Sean

Xref: sparky comp.mail.elm:3941 comp.sources.bugs:320
From: jlieb@is.morgan.com (Jerry Liebelson)
Subject: What "%" tokens can be used with attribution option in .elmrc?
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:52:00 GMT

I would like to have elm insert the message date into the attribution
string defined in my .elmrc file. Is there a % token for the date and
what other tokens are accepted besides %s?

Running ELM 2.3 PL 11 on SunOS 4.11

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From: dwatts@ki.com (Dan Watts)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Creeping featurism will have its day!
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:19:35 GMT
Organization: ki Research, Inc

In article <1993Jan7.230701.13528@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:
|On a related note, how about an option R)eply with headers?  Or is
|that taking creeping featurism a bit too far?
|
|Adam
|Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

You can use F)orward to get this.  Though you then have to enter the
subject if you want it to say "Re: xxxx" instead of "xxxx (fwd)".
That's how I've been getting this.

Having R)eply would be nice though...

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: walter@Ingres.COM (Walter L. Nirenberg)
Subject: ELM 2.1-->2.4 Upgrade Questions
Summary: How to upgrade, get docs, bug question
Keywords: UPGRADE 2.1 2.4 
Organization: Ingres, The ASK Group
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:14:47 GMT

Greetings!

I'm new to this group so please bear with my ignorance.  I've taken it
upon myself to research upgrading our current ELM program.  Here's my
questions:

1) We are currently on ELM 2.1.1.  How do we go about getting the latest
version (I believe it is 2.4.17)?

2) Does the new release contain documentation?  If not, where do we get
it?

3) We have a nasty old bug with our ELM.  Occasionally and without warning
ELM will wipe out the entire contents of the mailbox file for
whomever is using ELM at that time.  I believe the problem is related
to /tmp directory capacity but I am not sure.  Is this extremely serious
bug fixed in current versions?

Please e-mail any answers directly to me.  Thanks!

Walter Nirenberg
Technical Support
Ingres Corp.
510/748-2789
    748-3617(facsimile)
walter@.ingres.com

Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: werner@world.std.com (Craig Werner)
Subject: Thanks for Diffs between Levels 1 and 2
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:44:48 GMT


Thanks to those who replied to my query about the differences
between Elm Levels 1 and 2.  The differences appear to be minor,
having to do only with terser prompts in the highest level.
 
Craig Werner <werner@world.std.com>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Problem- One Person, Two Identities!
From: steve@vulture.ksc.nasa.gov (Steve Schindler)
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:16:27 EST
Organization: Voice Systems Branch, NASA - Kennedy Space Center

When I send mail to john@nasamail, elm saves a copy in the "john" folder and 
sends the message to our mail hub. The hub translates john@nasamail to
john-q-public@nasamail and sends the message out. When I receive mail from
john, it is from john-q-public, so when I save it, it ends of in a different
folder. I can get around this by using a filter to save anything
from john-q-public to the "john" folder.

The problem arises when I reply to a message from john-q-public. Elm saves
my reply in the john-q-public folder and I end up with two seperate folders
again!

How can I get my reply saved in the "john" folder? The only solution that 
I've come up with is to originate messages to john-q-public@nasamail instead
of just john@nasamail, but I would prefer not to type the longer address
(there are some that are worse than this example).

I'm running elm2.3.11.

Thanks,
Steve

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From: mjo@iao.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: how do I set the default Reply-To: field?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 05:31:00 GMT
Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Company
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost

In article <37813@sophia.inria.fr> devernay@sophia.inria.fr writes:

:Is there a way to tell elm to always set the Reply-To: field to
:my full address, like something to put in the elmrc file?

Add the following line to ~/.elm/elmheaders (create the file if it
doesn't already exist):

Reply-To: your.name@site.that.you.want.replies.directed.to

-- 
 Michael J. O'Connor           |  Internet:  mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com
 Ford Motor Company, OPEO      |  UUCP:      ...!{backbone}!fmsrl7!mjo
 20000 Rotunda, Bldg. 1-3001   |  Phone:     +1 (313) 248-1260
 Dearborn, MI  48121           |  Fax:       +1 (313) 323-6277
From: gezelter@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu (Dan Gezelter)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: listalias hangs in AIX 3.2.2
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:03:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.cchem.berkeley.edu

Here's a strange new behavior I found after compiling elm2.4pl20 on a
RS/6000 running AIX 3.2.2 (bsdcc, linked with -lcurses, etc.)

listalias hangs.  No error message, no output, no nothing. elm works
fine, as does checkalias, and newalias was run to update the alias
database.  

The last version I checked was 2.4pl11, where listalias worked fine.

  Has anyone else seen this?  If so, what have I done wrong?

      --Dan
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: ellis@rtsg.mot.com (John T Ellis)
Subject: filter question
Followup-To: ellis@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:51:15 GMT

I finally decided to make the move and learn and install the
filter utility for my mail account.  However, I'm having some
problems and I'm not sure what is wrong.  When people send me
mail, the message gets bounced as shown below.

---

From MAILER-DAEMON@ivory.rtsg.mot.com Tue Jan  5 09:37:24 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 09:35:59 CST
From: MAILER-DAEMON@ivory.rtsg.mot.com (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-Id: <9301051535@saffron6>
To: kikta

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Connected to ivory:
>>> RCPT To:<ellis@ivory>
<<< 550 /home/loden/ellis/.forward: line 1: "!/usr/local/elm-2.3/bin/filter -vo
/home/loden/ellis/Mail/.elm/filter_errors"... User unknown
550 ellis@ivory... User unknown

   ----- Unsent message follows -----
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 09:35:59 CST
From: kikta (Robert J. Kikta)
Message-Id: <9301051535@saffron6>
To: ellis

---

Here is my .forward file -

"!/usr/local/elm-2.3/bin/filter -vo /home/loden/ellis/Mail/.elm/filter_errors"

Question.  The file 'filter_errors' does not yet exist.  However, from reading
the documentation, that doesn't seem to matter.  So what's wrong?

Thanks for the help.

John

BTW - this is elm2.3 PL11 and whatever filter version corresponds to that.
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From: alan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Alan Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: User loses his folder
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:47:37 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

Just had one of our users start ELM 2.4.17 to prune old messages out of
a folder called 'mbox', when he was very close to his filestore quota limit.
What he got was this:


 Write failed to tempfile in copy
 mbox: Disc quota exceeded
       Couldn't modify folder

 Write failed to tempfile in copy
 /user/ps/psa008/emergency.mbox: Disc quota exceeded
       Couldn't copy mailbox, system trouble

 Emergency exit taken! All temp files intact.

And the mbox file ended up empty.

A couple of questions on this, then: what _are_ the temporary files that
are intact? I can't see anything in /tmp or the user's own area.

And has the user then totally lost what was in the folder in this case?
I'm wondering if this isn't perhaps a rather drastic thing to happen....
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: schwim@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Rosebud)
Subject: Re: ">From " lines and "corrupt folder" msg
Organization: The Land of Chocolate
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:12:06 GMT

ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof) ponders:
>Ahh...  So IMHO whoever defined the "mbox format" should also (have)
>come up with a "delousing" utility.  Fair's fair, right?  :-)
>Any suggestions/hints as to who I should approach for a cleanup
>utility that also takes care of the body of the item?

uuencode the file before you send it.  uudecode it to restore it.
You'll have all your wonderful From lines and you don't have to guess
where they came from (excuse the pun :).

				Yours,
					Larry Schwimmer
					schwim@xenon.stanford.edu
From: nigelm@ohm.york.ac.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Problems in elm2.4 PL20
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:33:13 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In <C0I6H3.Cu6@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl> kooper@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (Rob Kooper) writes:

>In article <C0GKop.DwL@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
>>In <1993Jan6.162803.25156@coplex.com> dean@coplex.com (Dean Brooks) writes:
>>
>>>2.  Do the following commands exactly as they are shown:
>>
>>>	a.  Enter elm by typing "elm" at the UNIX prompt.
>>>	b.  Hit 'a' to enter the alias screen.
>>>	c.  Hit 'x' to immediately leave the alias screen.
>>>	d.  Press 'RETURN' to read the highlighted message.
>>>	e.  Press 'i' to return to the main index screen.
>>>	f.  Press 'x' to exit elm.
>>
>>>	When I do these exact commands in this order, I get:
>>>		Bus Error signal!
>>>		Emergency exit taken! All temp files intact!
>>
>>Hmm... I tried that and everything was okay. No error, etc.
>>Sun OS 4.1.2, Sun sparcstation 2, Sun C compiler.

>Perhaps we have a different setup than you but when I tried it I got the same
>error he describes. I tried it also on a SPARC (number uknown), SUN OS 4.1.2
>and default C compiler. Strange.

Its an unitialised pointer which is then used as the target of a
sprintf.  Whether it works depends on how your system intialises (or
not) automatic variables, and possibly what was on the stack just
before the function was called.

The problem is with the exit_prog() function in exit.c .
The fix is to change the
  char * msg
to something like
  char msg[STRING]

I gave a patch to Syd earlier in the week, I assume he will issue an
official fix soon.

	Nigel.

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From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Permanent status
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:14:46 GMT
Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu
Organization: The Group W Bench

In <73H0QFC@math.fu-berlin.de> guckes@math.fu-berlin.de (Sven Guckes) writes:

>jimbo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Godfather of Soul) writes:

>>but how does one generate a message with private or confidential status?

>I was wondering--I know how to read my mailbox and I have a password for
>my account. Why on earth would we want stati like "private" or
>"confidential" with email ?

Ummm, it could be that sometimes you have folk looking over your shoulder
or some such, and sometimes you don't?  or that there are some things 
you would read in a public cluster or dump to a public printer, 
and some you want back in your own private cubbyhole?  

I know I have mail like that....

-- Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu)
The second amendment: unrestricted and without apology.  Dammit.
These opinions are mine, and you can't have them.
From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Creeping featurism will have its day!
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:07:01 GMT
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

When you f)orget a message, the default is currently to
Recall last kept message? (y/n) y

I have a tendency to just hit return through the r) sequence, and thus
occaisonally include an old, forgotten message in my mail.  For
version 3, would it be possible to configure this in elmrc?  I think
that this could work just like autocopy, and being able to set it to
yes/no to default the way I want it would be nice.

On a related note, how about an option R)eply with headers?  Or is
that taking creeping featurism a bit too far?

Adam
Adam Shostack 					adam@das.harvard.edu

What a terrible thing to have lost one's .sig.  Or not to have a .sig
at all.  How true that is.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: frank@halcyon.com (Frank Higgins)
Subject: How can I or why doesn't elm?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:34:16 GMT

I am no guru and am a "greenie" with elm, so either I have not found how to
do what I seek to do or I am trying to do something elm was never intended
to do. I installed HDB and elm in order to work on usenet. I am running an
AT&T 3B1. Somewhere in the elm material was information to the effect that
many mailers including "AT&T E-mail" were looked at before elm was built.

Although the "E-mail" *I* have was designed specifically to be the mailer
for AT&T's Starlan, I found it a very convenient mailer pre-usenet (direct
connection) for communication with a few others who were also not on the
net. What I do NOT now have that I had before and would like again are:

	1) E-mail offered an "Attachment" function whereby I needed merely
	   to indicate that a file or files be attached to the message I
	   was sending and bingo, away it went (ANY kind of file). It was
	   especially convenient with Starlan. Now that elm interferes with
	   E-mail, I no longer have that convenience. The "r" command of
	   "vi" serves the purpose but not as well.

	2) I know that this is a function of uucp and the problem probably
	   lies with HDB or my implementation of it, but: With E-mail
	   implemented, I could setup mail so that outgoing to a particular
	   addressee (remote sys) was on a NEVER basis,  and my system
	   didn't run up a phone bill trying to deliver. BUT, the
	   addressee could "call in" (send me a message) and pick up all of
	   the mail accumulated for him but undelivered. NOW, any
	   undelivered mail for any addressee, disappears into never never
	   land, and that convenience of communicating with an addressee
	   that isn't always turned on, is no longer possible.

*IF* there are answers to the above, please phrase them in simple terms. I
"speak UNIX" very poorly. Most of what I've seen in this group is
incomprehensible. (I want to "drive the car". I am a mechanic reluctantly
but adequately. But, I definitely do NOT want to become an "automotive
engineer"   :^)   )

Frank        

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: jimbo@leland.Stanford.EDU (Godfather of Soul)
Subject: Permanent status
Organization: NewsRUs
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 00:56:43 GMT

I was wondering--I know how to set the action and priority
headers to generate a message with action and urgent
status, but how does one generate a message with private
or confidential status?


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From: nigelm@ohm.york.ac.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Segment Violation signal! (INOFFICIAL FIX)
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:28:15 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

In <1993Jan7.115948.14710@isa.de> vogt@isa.de (Gerald Vogt) writes:
>Hi. All those who upgraded elm to patchlevel 20 and get a Segment
>Violation, Bus Error or similar signal when leaving elm with 'x' may
>apply the following patch to the file src/exitprog.c. Everything
>should work afterwards. But be aware: DON'T FORGET TO REMOVE THE PATCH
>AGAIN BEFORE YOU APPLY THE NEXT OFFICIAL PATCHES!!!

If you have stock elm 2.4PL20 and you can use x without some form of
segment violation/bus error after having changed the status of a
message (ie read an unread one or deleted a message), then I'd be a
touch worried.

Whats happening is that an unitialised pointer is being passed to a
sprintf type function.  On my system that pointer is auto intialised
to zero, but on other systems you will be tramping over some random
data space.  Fortunately since its the last thing you do before
shutting down you will probably get away with it!

I passed a patch to Syd a couple of days ago.  I expect him to issue
a blessed patch fairly soon (it is a real bug so needs fixing fairly
fast).

	Nigel.

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From: ophof@SERVER.uwindsor.ca (Scott Ophof)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: "Reply to *typed* address"
Date: 9 Jan 1993 03:51:20 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


On Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:09:47 -0500 Tim Pierce <twpierce@unix.amherst.edu> said:
>In article <9301080223.AA22606@SERVER.uwindsor.ca> you write:
>>What about supporting "R" as a command where one can specify the address
>>one wishes to use?
>There is a (f)orward command which works quite nicely in this regard.

The (f)orward command includes the headers, so doesn't do what I am
suggesting.  My request is to make things *easier* for the user, not
to make them do extra work (by having them delete the header-lines).

As to (f)orward itself, what is the rationale behind prefixing all
the lines of the forwarded item with ">"s?
Isn't it much easier (to program) and visually cleaner for the user
to put a separator line ahead of the forwarded item (something like
"------- start of forwarded item ------"), and a similar line after
the forwarded item?


Regards.
$$/


Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: helix@netcom.com (Helix Systems Inc)
Subject: Reply-To field question
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:15:43 GMT

Is there a way to set the Reply-To field automatically. Currently, it seems
I have to hit h to get into the headers and manually setting it before
sending the mail message. Also, if there was a system wide solution, I'd
be interested in it as well.

Send comments to: laplant@helix.com