HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM?
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:26:31 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Albany

In article <isaac.726272335@etrog> isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin) writes:
>The central business district in Brisbane is now under threat.

If the courts don't get 'em, the cane toads will!


--Mark
From: jfox@vms.macc.wisc.edu
Subject: Re: Can mohels circumcize non-Jews?
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Distribution:  world
Date:  7 JAN 93 16:04:25    

   Some years ago in Jerusalem some non-Jewish firends of ours, an American 
archaeologiest and his wife, had a baby boy in Jerusalem shortly before
our son was born. The mohel who performed both circumcisions told us that
it was strange to circumcise without the ceremony. I remember the mother 
telling us that she wanted the circumcision done immediately after birth 
but that the mohel asked to do it later saying he was better used to judging
whether an older baby was healthy enough to be circumcised. I don't remember
whether he waited the full eight days.
   That mohel had the best way with babies (at least eight-day old 
babies) I have ever seen. My mother always said my kids gave their lungs
wonderfully healthy exercise, but as soon as the mohel picked the kid up
the baby would stop crying (before, immediately after, and on the follow-up
visit). The mohel also taught me how to calm a baby by wrapping it properly
in a receiving blanket. The mohel who circumcized my first-born also knew how
to calm a baby but the one in Jerusalem seemed particularly good at it and
managed to teach me something of that skill.
In article <1993Jan7.201220.29371@ttinews.tti.com>, reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes...

>As the subject line asks, is it Halachicly permitted for a
>Mohel to circumcize a non-jewish baby (if the parents want the
>boy circumcized for non-religious reasons, but think the mohel would
>do the best job)?  If not actually forbidden, is it contrary to
>tradition?  Obviously, it can be done for purposes of a conversion,
>but otherwise?
> 
>Thanks.
> 
>=====================================================================
>Reid Kneeland
>reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
>Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
>The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...
> 
>Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Say it ain't so
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 02:31:23 GMT

In article <RLK.92Dec29084720@underprize.think.com> rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.225623.1118@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>   Not because they acquitted him, but because they ignored the
>   considerable evidence against him.  The minority jury threw out
>   testimony and evidence from several divisions of the NYPD, testimony
>   from the EMS crews at the scene and the ID by the victim himself.
>   Yup, they were racist/biased/stupid, perhaps even all three.  And this
>   kind of ridiculous acquittal won't have been the first one.

>At most, all they had to do was find reasonable doubts about that
>testimony, not that it was wrong.

Some outsiders, like Governor Cuomo and the police who testify
regularly in criminal cases, were quite disturbed by the ability of
some juries to discount straightforward testimony as "Reasonably
Doubtful".  Other outsiders, like Mayor Dinkins, simply shrugged it
off and said that the verdict should be accepted as legal and binding,
with no further question.

Considering wild and ridiculous theories as "reasonable" explanations
that will cast doubt on clear evidence is becoming more common among
some juries.  The Kahane/Nosair case was quite remarkable in this
respect.  It took the Rosenbaum/Nelson case to wake people up to
recognize a trend emerging.

-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: mona@cs.columbia.edu (Mona Farkas)
Subject: Re: time between BASAR & CHLAV
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:52:48 GMT

i think i'm one of the rare few who waits 6 full complete hours.  my
father never went for any of this "into the 6th" stuff we tried to
convince him of.  oh well.  it's not too bad.  if i waited any less
i'd probably have eaten lots more ice cream and chocolate in my
lifetime.  i guess minhag prevails when will power fails.

btw, my boyfriend's father is from morocco and he waits only 3 hours.
(except when i'm around :-) )  though most other sephardim i know wait
longer.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.turkish
From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
Subject: Re: Jesus: Would he support the Turks or Armenians?
Followup-To: alt.dev.null
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 20:17:06 GMT

The question raised in the subject line was directed specifically to
Vijay Buchar, asking for his views on the matter.  I thought he might
find the topic interesting.

Sorry if it looked like a general query, it was not.

R

--
Robert A. Levene     Internet: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu
  "/  //  / /"         Bitnet:   RXL1@APLVM
From: avi@seal.imagen.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews for Germans
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:42:31 GMT
Organization: none

In article <4860@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>, aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
|> In article <93004.225831PC2370A@auvm.american.edu> PC2370A@auvm.american.edu (Peter M. Cohen) writes:
|> >
|> >NOT  YOU OR ANY BASTARD ARABS CAN KILL US OFF !!!!
|> 
|> The Israeli-Arab Situation has nothing whatsoever to 
|> do with anti-semitism.
|> 
|> Anisa

That's a new one.

Have you ever heard of JIHAD ? (as in the Islamic Jihad ?)

Does the following phrase ring any bell: "Itbach El YAHUD" (Arabic for: 
Slaughter the JEWS, not Israelis)

How about the Terrorist attacks on NON-Israeli Jews such as Leon Klinghofer from
the "Achile Lauro" (sp?)  Or the Synagouge Bombing in Istanbul, Turkey, etc. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: New Year
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:57:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.205011.15502@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

[Correct commentary on the Roman origin of the common calendar deleted,
though obviously Jews did about as well with the Roman Empire as with the
Catholic Church, so maybe it's not such an important distinction.]

>(Bizarre theological note: New Year's Day is a Catholic holiday,
>because it's the eighth day after Christmas (counting Christmas
>itself as the first day), and therefore it's the day their god
>had the end of his penis cut off. No, really. It used to be
>called "The Feast of the Circumcision", but I think they decided
>that it sounded too Jewish.)

For the record, most Christian scholars agree that the actual
date of J's birth is uncertain, and that December 25th was
chosen to coincide with existing solstice festivals.  The actual
year is now believed to have been 4 BC, which makes the whole thing
look silly anyway.

But back to S.C.J-

My orthodox brother-in-law, when wished "happy new year" on January
1st by another Jew, responds "You mean happy PAGAN new year".  Is
this common?  Sort of a continuation of the "Merry Christmas"
thread...

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:48:39 EST
From: Peter M. Cohen <PC2370A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish Singers
 <1992Dec31.150307.17507@panix.com> <C0Cn3o.70y@panix.com>
 <C0E240.5u0@panix.com> <93005.150114BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu>

That is if you can call Linda Mcartney a "singer"...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosher Question
From: Yaakov Kayman <YZKCU@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 11 Jan 1993 12:10:23 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <199301111422.AA12268@das.wang.com>, MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL
(Michael Shimshoni) says:
>
>In: <9301071648.AA25189@cyclone.sbi.com>
>gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler) states:
> Subject: Re: Kosher question
>
>>norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman) writes:
>>
>>> >Are the Kosher laws cumulative?  For example, if I eat a ham and
>>> >cheese sandwich am I violating BOTH the law against eating ham AND the
>>> >law against eating meat with milk, or does the fact that pork is treif
>>> >mean that it doesn't count as meat for the purpose of the prohibition
>>> >of meat with milk?
>>> >
>>
>>Pork is not considered meat, so eating ham and cheese is a violation of
> ===========================
>>only one issur, provided, of course, that the cheese and bread are kosher.
>
>Don may be correct in stating  that "Pork is not considered meat", but
>for some reason the author of the  Torah does not share that view.  In
>Vayiqra  (Leviticus)  11, 7-8  while  listing  some of  the  forbidden
>animals its  says: "And the  pig... from  their *meat* you  should not
>eat..."
>

O-kaaaaay, for purposes of the prohibition of milk and meat, the meat of
a non-kosher animal is not considered meat. As far as whether kosher laws
are cumulative, in assessing a penalty, we follow the Gemara's rule of
"kum lei miderabbah minei," meaning where two unequal penalties are norm-
ally exacted for one act, as in someone stealing something from one he
then murders, the more severe penalty - in this case, death - is the only
one exacted. I believe in such a case, the fine of paying double for the
theft would NOT be imposed, though of course, restitution of the amount
stolen, if possible, to the deceased's heirs would be mandated.

If, however, we are dealing with multiple penalties of the same kind,
such as malkut (lashes), for instance for eating a "sheretz" (certain
class of forbidden creatures, including insects - OTHER than the now
oft-discussed kosher grasshoppers, etc.), one WOULD be liable for
TWO sets of lashes if one consumed an entire insect.

>>-Don Gertler
>
>  Michael Shimshoni

Yaakov K.
--------
Yaakov Kayman      (212) 903-3666       City University of New York

BITNET:   YZKCU@CUNYVM        "Lucky is the shepherd, and lucky his flock
Internet: YZKCU@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU     about whom the wolves complain"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Followup-To: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:52:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.022707.27334@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad) writes:

# In article <1993Jan4.194657.13384@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
 
# >They should be welcome in their own homeland on the Jordanian-Occupied
# >East Bank of Palestine.  Working to overthrow the local government is
# >enough to make someone person-non-grata in most any country.

# Would you find it acceptable if Mario Cuomo deported you from New York to
# say, Alabama?

	Of course no one would find it acceptable if they themselves were
deported.  That is not a reason to oppose deportations.  I doubt
everyone who gets imprisoned finds that acceptbale either.  Should we
let all criminals go free?

# Isn't it your 'homeland' after all?

	I did not realize Hymietown remarks were still in vogue.

# And the 400+ deportees
# were *not* 'convicted' of "Working to overthrow the local government".

	They only wanted to kill the Jews.
--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: time between BASAR & CHLAV
Organization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:58:29 GMT

While I wait 3 (should I make sure to mention this on dates?), I think
6 (lumping 5.5, 5+epsilon and such in the same category) is more
common.  I have not asked anyone who might know from personal
experience, but I have been told that Sefaradim and Edot Mizrach keep
six hours (even though the 1 hour Holland minhag is supposed to derive
from Spanish Jews who settled there).

-- 
/|/-\/-\      
 |__/__/_/    
 |warren@     
/ nysernet.org
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Who did Cain marry?
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:10:13 GMT
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC

In article <10JAN199320163492@utkvx1.utk.edu> egw@utkvx1.utk.edu
(Wolpert, Edward Greenwal) writes:

>This question came up between me and a few friends.  If Adam and Eve were the
>first two people on Earth, who could their childern marry?  (Assuming no
>incest)

Perhaps he married his twin sister?  Incest was not prohibited at that
time.

-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
Subject: Re: Jews for Germans
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:42:31 GMT

jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew) writes:

>In article <93004.225831PC2370A@auvm.american.edu> PC2370A@auvm.american.edu (Peter M. Cohen) writes:

>>The German's should never be forgiven for the Holocaust, not for a thousand
>>generations.. Isn't it amazing that whenever you speak to German's alive in
>>that era that they had nothing to do, or didnt know about the Holocaust ??

>Far be it for me to put my pinko, liberal, veggie, baby-killing viewpoint
>here but I would like to object to the use of 'the Germans' in this sentence.
>Without doubt the Holocaust should never never ever be forgiven and definitely
>not forgotten, but the it is the people who took part who must not be forgiven
>not the Germans collectively. This is the same mentality that caused the
>'Jews killed Christ' argument. People are responsible only for their own
>actions. There were Germans who opposed the camps and Hitler and some of
>them ended up in these same camps.

Read the Vanity Fair article (some 1992 issue) on the courageous Prince
von Thurn und Taxis, who did oppose Hitler and did end up in a camp.

Is Peter sure he would have that kind of courage?

>Are they not to be forgiven? Many really
>did not know, it was a secret after all. Are these not to be forgiven? Many
>weren't even born then and so on. Certainly many Germans did little to
>prevent this tragedy but then that applies to many many people some of
>them Jewish. Can you say that *everybody* who was not German did enough?
>Or indeed did anybody (regardless of their origin) do enough to prevent
>it? As for Germans claiming not to know that hardly suprises me, as a
>German once said 'my memory said I did, my pride said I didn't so my
>memory had to go' (more or less anyway). It is pityful but then noone
>is going to boast about such a thing and forgetting is so easy. Besides
>which, how old are the Germans you meet? My Grandfathers were adults
>then, my parents just toddlers.

>>NOT  YOU OR ANY BASTARD ARABS CAN KILL US OFF !!!!

>I am sorry to see you referring to Arabs as bastards as well. I have
>a view about this too. As Malcolm X once said (as quoted recently on
>the net - not one of my frequent cites), if you are not part of the
>solution you are part of the problem. Racism and hatred are problems,
>is referring to an entire racial/ethnic group as 'bastards' part of
>the solution?

>Joseph Askew

Eldridge Cleaver actually said that.

Otherwise, thanks for giving us this really wonderful posting.

Lenore Levine

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: cs922177@ariel.yorku.ca (DANIEL T FARKAS)
Subject: Re: time between BASAR & CHLAV
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:20:26 GMT

In article <1iernbINN6k3@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum) writes:
>I wander what period of time most jews wait between
>BASAR and CHALV. 
>I thougt that 3 hours is the most common MINHAG.
>My wife thinks it's 5.31 hours.
>
>	What do u say, shell we take a poll ? 
>
  Well here's one vote for the whole 6 !
From: basaran@beach.csulb.edu (Mete)
Subject: Re: Re: Fikralar (ve yeni bir fikra, istemeyen okumasin lutfen)
Reply-To: basaran@beach.csulb.edu
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:43:02 GMT

In article <20052.9301081852@thor.cf.ac.uk>, spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetin`
>Bazi arkada$lar fikra yazilmasindan rahatsiz olmu$lar bazisi da nette
>yazilanlarin fikradan farki olmadigini ve fikraya gerek olmadigini
>soylemi$. $ahsen arkada$larin fikra gondermesi taraftariyim. Gelen uc
>fikrayi da zevkle okudum. Daha once hic bilmedigim fikralar olmasi da
>iyiydi. 
> 
>Yeri gelmi$ken bir fikra da ben anlatayim. Temelsiz i$in tadi olmuyor
>onun icin Temel kahramanimiz. Umarim Karadenizli arkada$lar alinmaz. Ne
>de olsa Temeller milli gururumuz.
>Yeri gelmi$ken bir fikra da ben anlatayim

Aman eksik kalma parlak Beytullah

[ aptalca fikra silindi..]


>Iyi gunler.
> 
>Beytullah


Yahu ensest Beytullah,sen en eblek adamsin,sana mi kaldi bu nette yazilanlari
analiz etmek.Temeller milli gururuymus,sizler de milli yuzkaramiz,Turk'lugun
adini,imajini,herseyini yerin dibine sokan sefiller surusu.
Ingiltere'de ailecek kara carsaflar icinde dolasiyor musunuz bakiym?Kizina'da
carsaf giydiriyormusun?Ensest iliskilerin nasil gidiyor?

M.U.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: tpd1@cec2.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Subject: Re: Some questions to you...
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:12:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.151949.29038@ee.rochester.edu> terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes:
>I feel that the system we have right now is democratic. However, it is    
>especially difficult for the government to make everyone happy because of
>the political and economic embargos brought about by the Greek/Greek Cypriot 
>propaganda. As for the settlers, How many Greeks have moved to South Cyprus
>since '74 and before that? Quite a few.. So this settlers issue is not a  one- 
>sided problem. 
	The Rebublic of Cyprus agreed (urged actually) for an official
population census by the United Nations, Esin. It is King Decktash that does
not allow the U.N. to perform the census. So, my logic says that it is an
one-sided problem.

>
>Regards,
>E.T.
Regards,
Theodore David.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: basaran@beach.csulb.edu (Mete)
Subject: Geah kucu kucu..
Reply-To: basaran@beach.csulb.edu
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 07:34:47 GMT



Kocabas geah,geah,geah oolum Kocabas,
geah kucu,kucu,kucu,Kocabas,geah

host Kocabas host..Asilarin tamam mi Kocabas??

MUB
From: hminassi@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Eh bien continuons.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Armenian IRC Meeting!
Keywords: Anyone Welcome
Date: 12 Jan 93 07:06:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego



Parev gam Barev!

There will be a meeting on IRC this
wednesday, 1/13/93 at 7p.m. Pacific
time (west coast time) on channel
#Hayastan.

Looking forward to seeing you there.

H. Minassian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.history
From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Thank You, Mr. Tanrikulu, was Re: Fraud & Libel Continues on UseNet
Summary: Bernard Lewis's text page 356 
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:34:29 GMT

In article <C0C8sF.HyK@acsu.buffalo.edu> mot@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mustafa O.
Tanrikulu) wrote:

[MOT] Hello everyone,

[MOT] After days of struggle between Mr. Davidian and Mr. Dogan,
[MOT] I went to our library today and found the famous book,
[MOT] "The Emergence of Modern Turkey", written by Bernard Lewis,
[MOT] second edition, Oxford University Press, 1968. It has a note
[MOT] saying that "Issued under the auspices of the Royal Institute
[MOT] of International Affairs". On page 356, I found the paragraph 
[MOT] quoted by Mr. Davidian. He quoted the paragraph exactly, not a word
[MOT] is missing, or not a word is added. I believe that Mr. Dogan
[MOT] is also saying the truth (at least his book's truth). Otherwise 
[MOT] it would be very stupid since everybody has an easy access to the 
[MOT] libraries and to the book.

[MOT] I think we have a very interesting situation here. Either Mr. Dogan
[MOT] is not telling the truth which I do not believe (the reason is above)
[MOT] at the moment or the two copies of the same book are different which
[MOT] is also hard to believe. I do not know what others think, but I believe
[MOT] it is important to resolve this conflict without accusing anybody.
[MOT] Does anybody have any idea how to resolve this?

[MOT] Have a nice day...

[MOT] M. Okan Tanrikulu

[MOT] ps:I do not have any FAX number. However if you are willing to send me
[MOT]    the photocopies of your books' title pages before the contents section
[MOT]    and pages 354-357 (the section about religious minorities), I will be
[MOT]    glad to compare them. I am ready to pay for your expenses also. 

Mr. Tanrikulu, thank you for your effort. With about 15 mins, my photocopies
will be in the U.S. mail to you. Your time and effort will be enough of a
payment of any expenses!

[MOT] University at Buffalo
[MOT] Dept. of Elect. and Comp. Engineering
[MOT] 201 Bell Hall, Box: 51
[MOT] Buffalo, NY 14260


-- 
David Davidian <dbd@urartu.sdpa.org> |"The massacres? Oh well! They merely  
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | amuse me!"  -Talaat Pasha, architect of 
P.O. Box 382761                      | Turkish the genocide of Armenian people. 
Cambridge, MA 02238                  | (Four Years Beneath the Crescent, p 208)
From: dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: "George William Herbert" goes to Washington D.C.
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:21:25 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

In article <9301091534@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
 > In article <8569@charon.cwi.nl> dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:
...
 > I think I should give you two dollars.
 > 
Yes, please in unmarked two dollar bills.
-- 
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj  amsterdam, nederland
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn  amsterdam, nederland; e-mail: dik@cwi.nl
From: salih@izmir.ee.uh.edu (Mehmet S. Koc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: A Poem by CEMAL SUREYA [in turkish]
Date: 12 Jan 1993 22:40:47 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: izmir.ee.uh.edu


UZERINDEN SEVISMEK

Baskalari da var masada
Ileri geri konusuluyor

Otedesin o adamin duldasinda
Gozkapaklarina burunmus adam

Eli her an omuzunda
Egiliyor sigarani yakiyor

Tesekkurler sigara dumani,
Sagolasin o adam!

Onunla gelmisin buraya
Yuzun yandan ve uzaklarda

Nicin sevmiyorsun duvar kagitlarini
Hos belki de seviyorsun

Herkes az bucuk sarhos
Herkes bir seyler soyluyor

Ama yalniz ikimizin sozcukleri  
Sarmasdolas

Uzerinden sevismek, kadinim,
Sigaranin, Asya'nin, omuzlarin,

Uzeriden aile fotograflarinin
Eller nasil duygandir nasil yalin

Iki ses, iki bakis, gelisir nasil
Tek bir cumle gibi, sozlere karsin

Sivri topuklar nasil ortasina
Gomulmustur belleksiz halilarin

		Cemal Sureya

Mehmet Salih Koc
salih@izmir.ee.uh.edu
From: esuleym@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: re
Date: 11 Jan 93 16:38:37 EST
Reply-To: 2582
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

yes