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From: me308lab@ux.acs.umn.edu (Mechanical Eng consultant)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Upcoming Episode News/Spoilers  ST:TNG and ST:DSN
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:29:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr13.042908.8678
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Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Apr12.141238.2794@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:

>>In article <1992Apr7.200654.16695@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>>>>*  We'll be seeing more of Michelle Forbes, as Ensign Ro Larren, next
>>>>   year.
>>>
>>>Another yawn. TNG may not be a 'soap in space', but they're sure starting
>>>to stoop to a lot of soap opera gimmicks.
>>
>>
>>Agreed completely. I lost all respect for TOS when they stooped to using
>>soap opera gimmicks by repeatedly using Mr. Kyle, bringing back Kevin Riley,
>>and all that. And TNG totally screwed up by expanding Colm Meaney's role,
>>too.
>
>I'm referring to Ensign Ro specifically, not the idea of recurring 
>characters. O'Brien is at worst, useless. Ms. Ro, on the other
>hand, is a shallow, cliche and obvious archetype that you can find in
>droves on the soaps. I had doubts about her in ENSIGN RO, and I lost all 
>respect for her in CONUNDRUM. I'm all for more conflict between the 
>characters but I want *interesting* conflict betwen interesting characters.
>As a Trekker, I resent this obvious pandering to such a generic TV stereotype;
>one whose basic appeal never hooked me in the first place and grew
>increasingly irritating with overuse. Comments on the net like "What'd
>she do to her hair? Now I'm totally turned off by her" indicate pretty
As opposed to comments about Geordi's beard, or Riker's beard, or Troi's
outfits, or Worf's "non-regulation" haircut, or ...    :)

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From: kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones)
Subject: Re: Lacarno = Kirk (Spoilers "1st Duty)
Organization: UUNET Communications Services
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 08:52:29 GMT

 > I agree that, a Kirk, would have never attempted to cover his
 > tracks but Locarno didn't have to get his team members of the
 > hook either. I would say he is responsible but he has a lot to
 > learn about Honor.

Nay, I'd say Locarno has learned the lessons of life very well No
need to take the heat for something when you don't have to,
particularly if you can blame someone who is already dead, and
mostly responsible for their own death anyway.  Wesley was naive,
and he let Picard bully him into making a stupid confession.
From: charyma@wkuvx1.bitnet
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Subject: Boothby Master of the Galaxy
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:18:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: wkuvx1.1992Apr8.131852.1263
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

It was a pleasure seeing Ray Walston (one of my favorite actors) on
Star Trek.  I was hoping to see him pop antennae out the back of his
head just as a sort of homage. (Sort of like the last line of the Matt
Frewer episode.)  It then occurred to me, Boothby's incognito.  He plans
to take over the academy for his Martian masters.  His plan is find promising
academy students (such as Wesley and Picard) and influence them.  Become
their buddy, so they'll never suspect him and in addition use his Martian 
powers to subvert the academy with the spore plants from "This Side of Paradise."
With Earth and space (via his various officer friends who are of course
more than willing to take "suggestions" from the wisest person they know)
under his control he will hunt down his ancient enemy the detective who 
lived next door (can't remember his name.)  What's more, Guinan's in
on it too.  We can only hope Data (being unclouded by emotions) figures
out the nefarious plot before it's too late.
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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
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Subject: Re: Starfleet Academy question
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:40:49 GMT
Organization: Berry Communications

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

> In article <72886@netnews.upenn.edu> dalisay@widget.seas.upenn.edu (Reynaldo 
> >
> >How long (in years, months, etc.) does it normally take to graduate
> >from the Starfleet Academy?
> 
> 4 years, according to the personnel files in Conundrum.

There's other evidence for this.  In "Datalore", Data mentioned the four
years he spent at the Academy.  And in "Redemption II", he referred to
his 26 years of Starfleet experience.  That was 30 years after he was
discovered and activated, so he only *had* four years to attend the
Academy.

In fact, he must have applied, been accepted, and begun attending
classes almost immediately after he was found.  Obviously, the officers
who found him made a *big* impression on him.


Pat Berry                    pat@berry.Cary.NC.US
From: cehagen@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Christopher E. Hagen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: First Duty ramblings (Spoilers)
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:41:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr7.134201.5323
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

jdeitch@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:


>If Starfleet Academy is in San Francisco, anyone got any guesses as to where
>it actually is in the city ?


   From the angle and backdrop behind the goldne gate bridge, I'd put it on the
tip of golden gate park, to the west of the bridge on the south side of the
channel into the bay. I've only been there once, and I may be wrong about the
name of the park, but from the angle and the backdrop of the hills behind the
bridge, I couldn't think of anywhere else it could be... (besides, I have a 
picture of myself and friends with that same backdrop in it from my trip!)

   I think it's rather humourus that the original ST crew landed in the park
that was to become SF acedemy.... now... the question is this: 

    Was Star Fleet's headquarters to the east of the bridge, or to the west of
the bridge. I seem to remember seeing the golden gate bridge out the window
of SF command, but I can't remember what the backdrop behind the bridge looked
liked. but with all the time passing between the movies and ST:TNG, HQ turning 
into the academy isn't totally out of the question, excepting the fact that 
the building would be more modern than what the acedemy was shown as.....


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From: knauer@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Knauerhase)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: _Disinherited_ opinions (Re: New TOS Book ... info)
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:16:50 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

In <1992Apr13.231400.219@crash.cts.com> jhitch@crash.cts.com (Jeffrey Hitchin) writes:
>	Well, I'm going to buck the tide here and say with complete
>honesty that _The Disinherited_ sucked big time.  The plots never
>really came together well, and the ending was so anticlimactic.

Perhaps I'm judging by different standards than yours.  After too many episodes
of TNG, I was _happy_ for an anticlimactic ending -- there was a climax of
sorts just past the halfway mark (which in TNG signals the end of the show :),
and a bit of action with nice resolution afterwards.  As I said in my first
post, "Not stellar, but good."
   [Here I am yet again speaking kindly of a Peter David novel.  If I keep
this up they'll confiscate my brain... :)]

>	Uhura was unpacking when her door chime rang. "Come in,"
>the Enterprise's communications officer mumbled.
>	It was Spock. "Pardon me," intoned the Vulcan, "but I
>need to ask you something.  The black woman shrugged.
>
>	Ick! Yuck!  This guy is AWFUL!  One name per character,
>got that?!  ONLY ONE NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  In a couple of scenes

This was a bit disconcerting, but I didn't have any trouble deciding who he
was talking about.  I'm happy to overlook it given the strengths of this
book relative to the past several novels.

Rob
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From: goodwin@orionsci (Ben Goodwin)
Subject: Re: Lacarno = Kirk (Spoilers "1st Duty)
Reply-To: goodwin@orionsci.UUCP (Ben Goodwin)
Organization: Orion Scientific, Inc.
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 12:03:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.182703.14439@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> apearlma@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew Pearlman) writes:
>In article <mal6657.702494263@tamsun.tamu.edu> mal6657@tamsun.tamu.edu (Mark A. Lindsay) writes:
>
>>	The main difference that I see between Kirk and Locarno is that
>>Locarno had no sense of responsibility.  Yes, Kirk flew by the seat of his
>>pants, but he was always willing to face the consequences of whatever he
>>got into.  Look at Amok Time.  Kirk was willing to throw away his career
>>for his friend, an act that he repeated in STIII.  He knew that he would
>>be throwing away his career, and was willing to do so.  Locarno had
>>no such sense of responsibility.  He wanted to cover his mistake.  Kirk
>>never attempted to cover his tracks.  He was always ready to face the music.
>
>What about the Kobayashi Maru scenario that he reprogrammed in the academy?
>As Picard pointed out, if Locarno had actually been successful, he would
>have thrilled the audience and become a living legend at the academy.
>
>Kirk couldn't deal with the no-win scenario at that time and neither could
>Locarno.
>
>Andy Pearlman

Um, what are you talking about?  Kirk reprogrammed the computer to let
him win, but he didn't expect to get away with it.  He was just angry
and decided that he was going to show the instructers that he wasn't
willing to accept the no-win scenario.  His reprogramming was very
clever and I would secretly commend him for it and then make sure nobody
ever found out what he had done.

As for Locarno, you make no sense.  Locarno was a legend in the academy
already because he had lead the team to some sort of victory at an
air show.  He was unsatisfied and risked the lives of his team mates
to get even more glory.  He was on some sort of glory/power trip.

Your comparison between Kirk's reprogramming the Computer in Kobyashi
Maru and Locarno's foolish actions makes no sense. Locarno was not in
a no-win scenario.
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From: spinoza@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Prince Lev of the Domovoi)
Subject: Re: Asimov lost
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:19:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.194439.6537@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu  
(Scott D. Hurley) writes:
> 
> Isaac Asimov died this morning , April 6, 1992 A.D.
> 
> WHo's left?
Arthur C. Clarke, for one.

lev
From: tanski@inland.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review: "The First Duty"
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:07:03 GMT
Organization: Inland Steel Company; East Chicago, IN

I'm back!  Until today (4/9), I've had access only to .info and .misc and 
consequently have missed a lot of material!  Would someone out there mail 
me Mr. Lynch's synopsis and review of "First Duty?"  Thanks in advance!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
     John Tanski                   ><  "Work.  Worry.  Consume.  Die.
     ISFPC - R & D Dept            ><   It's a wonderful life."
     (tanski@inland.com)           ><      Lippy (Bill Griffith)
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From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
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Subject: Re: What happens to BOSEMAN now in TNG-Time Line?
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:08:17 GMT
Organization: Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA

In article <1992Apr4.144554.13805@panix.com>, habs@panix.com (Harry Shapiro) 
writes:
> Spoilers on Cause and Effects below
> 
> Not sure if that worked so now some spaces:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Like he said..

> Now that the BOSEMAN is in the TNG time-line shouldn't this
> change "time," effect deep changes in plots, (la Tasha Yar),
> they are "pre-borg."
> 
> Given the title cause and effect what will the long term
> effect of all this.

nada.  zip.  zilch.  

Time travel into the future causes no paradoxes -- and, as Larry Niven pointed
out (you know, sometimes I think that *everyone* who wants to make comments on
time travel episodes should be required to read his "Theory and Practice of
Time Travel" first; see the _All the Myriad Ways_ collection), time travel into
the future need involve nothing more than suspended animation techniques and a
very reliable, durable time capsule.  WHich is, in effect, what the Boseman
became for her crew. 

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From: Ken_Bell@mindlink.bc.ca (Ken Bell)
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Subject: An oddity
Date: 9 Apr 92 09:23:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: mindlink.11339
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

Just a simple question from an elderly TNG fan:.

How come that when an away party is being beamed into a dangerous situation
(i.e., into the middle of the Borg cube earlier this week) , they are never
beamed in a crouching position with weapons drawn. Instead, it's always upright
and they have to assume the position.
Just wondering...
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Starfleet Academy question
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:00:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr6.220033.3628
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <72886@netnews.upenn.edu> dalisay@widget.seas.upenn.edu (Reynaldo S Dalisay) writes:
>
>How long (in years, months, etc.) does it normally take to graduate
>from the Starfleet Academy?

4 years, according to the personnel files in Conundrum.


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From: terry@edsi.plexus.COM (Terry Dawson)
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Subject: Re: Asimov's cameo lost, too :-(
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:03:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: edsi.1992Apr08.070328.4537
Organization: Appleton Public Library - Appleton, WI

dsturm@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:

>Shame on the TNG staff for not following thru on the script that
>had Data talking to a holographic Asimov on the holodeck...

>No way to do that one now   :-(

What?  Have they repealed acting and make-up?  Sure, they can do it.
They just won't be able to use the real Asimov...

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From: kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Episode News/Spoilers  ST:TNG and ST:DSN
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 14:12:38 GMT

In article <s90fgINNnbc@network.ucsd.edu> intertxt@network.ucsd.edu (Jason Snell) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.200654.16695@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>>>*  We'll be seeing more of Michelle Forbes, as Ensign Ro Larren, next
>>>   year.
>>
>>Another yawn. TNG may not be a 'soap in space', but they're sure starting
>>to stoop to a lot of soap opera gimmicks.
>
>
>Agreed completely. I lost all respect for TOS when they stooped to using
>soap opera gimmicks by repeatedly using Mr. Kyle, bringing back Kevin Riley,
>and all that. And TNG totally screwed up by expanding Colm Meaney's role,
>too.

I'm referring to Ensign Ro specifically, not the idea of recurring 
characters. O'Brien is at worst, useless. Ms. Ro, on the other
hand, is a shallow, cliche and obvious archetype that you can find in
droves on the soaps. I had doubts about her in ENSIGN RO, and I lost all 
respect for her in CONUNDRUM. I'm all for more conflict between the 
characters but I want *interesting* conflict betwen interesting characters.
As a Trekker, I resent this obvious pandering to such a generic TV stereotype;
one whose basic appeal never hooked me in the first place and grew
increasingly irritating with overuse. Comments on the net like "What'd
she do to her hair? Now I'm totally turned off by her" indicate pretty
much how shallow this character really is.


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From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (54626-BonhamM(DR2020)214)
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Subject: Re: Trek and Training
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:37:31 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.161450.12637@ecst.csuchico.edu>, msiegall@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (MARC SIEGALL) writes:
|> The American Society for Training and Development publishes a monthly
|> Info-Line of "practical guidelines for training and development
|> professionals".  March's issue covers the Americans with Disabilities
|> Act, and opens with the quote "The joy of creation is in its infinite
|> diversity and in the ways our differences combine to create meaning
|> and beauty."
|> 
|> The quote is attributed to Mr. Spock - Star Trek.

This sounds suspiciously like the IDIC ideal, as quoted by Mr. Spock.
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: please help!!! need i
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:56:38 EST
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

KL>For my Speech Communications class final project, I plan to do a speech on
  >the Star Trek; in specific, its relevance and why it's remained so popular
  >for so long (and will continue to be for generations, in one form or another

KL>The problem is, I have a lot to do, and too little time to do it (a week).
  >So, I'd appreciate if anyone would send me any information they have handy
  >(or, at least, refer me to some good sources) on the history of Star Trek,
  >or Gene Roddenberry's life (esp. leading up to the creation of Star Trek)
  >or anything else you think might be useful.

KL>I've done this before; it turns out that the Internet can be a very valuable
  >source of information, and not just a huge waste of time... ;-)

I feel awefully STUPID and niave helping you out in your project, but I
suggest viewing the 25th Anniversary Special of Star Trek, which has
ooodles of neato info and nice footage.  It was originally aired
sometime in October '91
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From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Grading scales
Date: 6 Apr 92 04:04:43 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


 >In effect, I've allocated 60% of my grade scale to "acceptable"
 >episodes as opposed to 30% for Tim. This lets me make finer 
 >distinctions between *good* episodes rather than *bad*
 >episodes (below a certain level of quality, I say "bad is bad".) Also I 
 >like to keep some space reserved at the top for that one episode that's 
 >coming up that's gonna blow the hell out of everything that's come before 
 >(who says I think TNG is hopeless? :-) This *will* of course make my 
 >ratings appear harsher to those who try to compare the two using a linear
 >mapping. 
 >
 >kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:

no, it makes your ratings {worthless}, since by definition almost all episodes
will end up as C's unless they're abysmally bad or mind-wrenchingly great.
another reason why i don't read your "reviews".
also, i'm afraid i fail to perceive much of a difference between your "A"
definition (outstanding) and the high end of your "B" (excellent).
these two are fairly synonymous...

nothing personal, of course.

ok
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From: thogek@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Thomas Kiefer)
Subject: Re: Locarno = Kirk (Spoilers "First Duty"))
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:47:45 GMT

From <1992Apr5.221926.12208@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
>     BTW, anyone notice the time frame for the ^last^ attempted Culvort
>     Starburst (spelling?) -- 100 years ago.  Kirk himself?...     

Neat idea, but didn't Picard, when citing this 100-years-ago attempt, also
say that all five of the participants were killed?

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