HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mst4298@summa.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: The Motorcade, the TSBD, and LHO
Keywords: conspiracy or coincidence?
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:43:00 GMT
Organization: Incontinental Blather, Inc
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <schuck.702521017@sfu.ca>, Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes...

>No sane Secret Service Agent would pick a route that would force the
>Presidential Limo to slow down as much as the turn onto Elm
>Street did. Could it be that people who had a 'patsy' such
>as Oswald set up the route down Elm to ensure the perfect
>head shot from the grassy knoll?

	The Actual turn onto Elm was little more than a left hand 90-
	degree turn. No Presidential limo has ever made a 90 degree
	turn, now has it?


>If the Limo had turned down Main, the 'crossfire' from the 
>grassy knoll, TSBD, and Dal_Tex/County Records Building would have
>been impossible.


	Had the limo *gone straight* down Main, getting on to I-35E
	(the Stemmons Freeway) would have been impossible. To get onto
	Stemmons from downtown, you have to go down Elm.



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From: sdevries@fys.ruu.nl (Sjoerd de Vries)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Retrograde Recoil and the JFK Assassination
Keywords: Some more calculations
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:43:03 GMT
Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht,  The Netherlands

In <32128@darkstar.ucsc.edu> david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:


>	The fact that we did not see anything like this on the Zapruder film
>shows that such an explanation is highly unlikely to account for the
>President's head snap. Joseph Baugher presents us with the *theory* of what the
>backward head snap would look like. On the other hand, Lattimer presents us
>with some *experimental* evidence--but because he does not measure or document
>or give us any real information, and the fact he left out any theory shows that
>his efforts are fairly useless to the serious student of the Assassination. 

Let me rephrase this: 
1. theory contradicts experimental evidence -> experiment must be in error
2. Lattimer has experiment, no theory -> experiment should be ignored
3. Lattimer says skull moves against bullet direction, but he doesn't
   measure speed of this movement-> this movement doesn't exist

This looks like some kind of medieval reasoning. Isn't really necessary.
I think Joseph Baugher's article is quite convincing. What has our
traditionally sceptic Mitchell Todd to say about it?

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From: v124qhu5@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Sara A Heim)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: photos
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:36:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


 although these sort of prints are not as clear as original negatives, it seems
 hard for me to believe that sections of the print would "disappear" off of the 
 second copy. i work at a photo lab, and print to prints that i have made (with
 very substandard equipment) of photos from 65 years ago, do not have this 
 disappearance that you claim. the picture, i would imagine would become
 increasingly blurrier, but not to the point of losing fragments of the original
 copy. it is almost impossible to lose one section of a picture without the
 use of airbrushing. and, as for an article previously posted, it could possible
 that the pictures taken in the backyard were done by his wife. i'm sure
 everyone has taken a picture of something larger than themselves, and have it 
 appear to be eye level...sara
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
From: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Subject: Re: the umbrella man question solved by the HSCA?
Reply-To: dxc4@po.CWRU.Edu (David Condon)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 00:48:01 GMT


In a previous article, sdevries@fys.ruu.nl (Sjoerd de Vries) says:
>
>Come to think of it: imagine you being the president, sitting in
>a limousine traveling through Dallas, where you see this guy opening
>and closing his umbrella. What thoughts will immediately cross
>your mind?
>1. umbrella
>2. -> Chamberlain
>3. -> Muenchen
>4. -> treason
>5. -> I'm a traitor
>6. I'll never do it again! Oh lord have mercy!
>
>Sounds unlikely to you? Same to me. More suggestions?

Being in Europe, you are in a good position to ask some people who were
around in 1963 or better yet in 1938 if they would have perceived the
simple display of an umbrella as a comment on any given leader's treason/
capitulation/appeasement of enemy forces. If it would not have "read" as
a symbol, i.e. communicated the intended meaning, in a European context,
it would have been even less likely to do so in the U.S. (I agree it
sounds farfetched)
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism
From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Subject: Re: "The Guns of Dallas" by L. Fletcher Prouty
Organization: Wayne State University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 11:47:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.122840.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>
ccasm@cc.newcastle.edu.au writes:
 
>
>
>
>
>In article <kukm1nINNn78@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, holtz@netcord.Eng.Sun.COM
>> (Brian Holtz) writes:
>>
>>
>>>      Of course, the umbrella man could have been a perfectly innocent
>>>      guy, why not find out?
>>
>>
>> He was, and the HSCA did.  He was protesting Kennedy's alleged
>> appeasement policies by displaying the trademark of Chamberlain, the
>> world heavyweight appeasement champion.
>>
>
>
>
>
>The HSCA said:
>       - umbrella man was found?
>       - umbrella man was innocent?
>       - Kennedy had an appeasement policy?
>       - umbrella man was protesting that policy?
>       - Chamberlain used an umbrella as a trademark?
>       - Chamberlain was world heavyweight appeasement champion?
>       - umbrella man was displaying the Chamberlain trademark?
>       - umbrella man was protesting?
>       - Any, all or none of the above?
>
>Phew! What a lot of questions you raise with one unsupported claim.
>
>References please, Brian Holtz.
 
Here's an example of rampant ignorance combined with a willful disregard
of evidence. Most of us know who Neville Chamberland was, and we therefore
understood the bit of hyperbole in the post referring to him. It seems
that at least one person has no memories prior to 1964! The Umbrella man
was touched on in the PBS show. He was interviewed by many people to whom
he told that story.
 
Now, the radical skeptics have a much harder case to prove, don't they?
They see and umbrella and scream "weapon!", and it's up to the rational
among us to prove it's not. Prove it wasn't the secret service who killed
him! Prove that Jackie wasn't in on it! Prove that the driver didn't
shoot him! Frankly, these people- and the poster above- need not only a
bit of historical perspective, they need a few courses in basic logic.
Can you say "asserting the consequent", boys and girls...?
 
        --mje
From: Robert.Daniels@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Robert Daniels)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: LHO's Job at the Texas School Book Depository
Keywords: conspiracy, jfk, TSBD, hiring, Ruth Paine
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:38:08 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


Well, yes, a Nash Rambler does show up in one photo I've seen.  But is
there any evidence (aside from LHO's cryptic remark) that it was Ruth
Paine's?

Robert Daniels
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From: judy@ethel.mitre.org (Judith S. Sider)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Questions
Keywords: New info on JFK assassination
Date: 31 Mar 92 18:07:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Mar31.180740.6023
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA

In article <schuck.701901719@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>mst4298@zeus.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd) writes:
>
>Who else was shooting that day in Dallas? The answer is that
>the tape is a genuine recording of what went on in Dallas.
>As the NOVA program pointed out, transcribing errors, or 
>crosstalk on the dictabelt may have also recorded conversations
>a minute later. A dictabelt is a drum recording device. As the
>drum rotates, previous tracks are directly beside the current
>recording track. It is possible that track that recorded the
>shots in Dealy Plaza also recorded information from
>a minute later.

>The dictabelt recording is genuine! No other shooting was
>recorded. It was the JFK assassination that was recorded.
>The microphone was in Dealy Plaza!

First of all, it was my understanding that the NAS did not confirm
with 100% certainty that the recording contained gunfire, as opposed
to some other type of noise (a backfire, for example).  But even if
the recording did contain gunfire, how do you make the leap from the
dictabelt *possibly* recording sound from a minute after the
assassination to the dictabelt *definitely* containing the assassination
shots?  

Judy Sider






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From: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Some notes about this newgroup...
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:13:58 GMT
Reply-To: m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. (VMS Software Support - Colorado)

I would just like to take a moment to comment about the people posting in this
alt. newsgroup.

We have people in - generally - 3 different catagories:

	Pro Warren (...and you KNOW who you are!)   ;^)

	Pro Conspiracy

	Undecided (Mostly Read-Only)

Considering the extreme differences of opinion between the pro-Warren and
the pro-conspiracy folks: There is very little garbage going on. By that I
mean personal attacks etc...  After reading the alt.pick your sport groups,
this is very refreshing and mature. 

Lets keep it this way - both sides eager to express their opinion and even
refute the "other side" while still maintaining respect for each other.

Good Stuff,

Marty Henderson
From: gldsmth@bloomfield.uchicago.edu (John Goldsmith)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Fake ID
Date: 8 Apr 92 01:40:04 GMT
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

As with many things discussed in this topic, there is a long
and helpful discussion of Oswald's production of the fake
ID -- whether you agree with their assumption -- that Oswald
made the ID -- or not.  They suggest it wouldn't take that
much expertise in photography to make the fake ID, with the
rearrangements and so forth that were produced.  I'm sure
that I, for one, could not have done it, but we know Oswald
worked in a company which employed these techniques.  In
any event, do read the Warren Commission report.
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.censorship,alt.discrimination,soc.history,sci.research,alt.activism
Subject: Re: JPFO Jews ("anti-Semites"??) *AGREE* with "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?"!!!
From: kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 05:01:38 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island

In article <1992Apr7.090219.28002@ircam.fr> fingerhu@ircam.fr (Michel Fingerhut) writes:

>    Batahat reports increased signs of paranoia, worship of power, obedience
>and loyalty to the computer operator making the runs, demands of unquestioning

Wow! He kinda gives ME the runs, too!

>perfectionism.  All such runs eventually ended in a major computer crash.

Mine end up in nazi heaven, just after I flush.

>intermixed with their own output.  Anti-viral programs (aka KILL files) are

I've got mine working here, except in alt.nazi.trash, where I try to
keep up on today's humour. Many thanks for (finally) shedding some
light on this no-brainer..

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: JFK shot from front
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 00:53:20 GMT

Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Steve Rose) writes:


> BFR> Crenshaw is breaking a 29-year silence about the assassination
> BFR> in interviews with two nationally televised programs. He is to
> BFR> appear this week on ABC's "20-20."
> BFR> In a transcript of the "20-20" interview, he said, "I will
> BFR> always know that he was shot from the front."


>Isn't it interesting that the Doctor gave the same speech using the same
>on-camera phrases, to 'NOW it Can be Told' only the day before?

>What do they do...share the interview tapes and cut in their respective
>reporters asking the same questions both times?  ;-)

One of the interesting differences on 20/20 was the interview with
Dr. Baxter, the Chief of Staff of Parkland at the time of the
assassination. He admitted on camera that he threatened to ruin
the career of any medical staff that attempted to make a dime
off the JFK assassination. Since Dr. Crenshaw was only a 3rd year
resident at the time, I'm sure this was a very potent threat
to keep him quiet for so many years.

Maybe you missed that difference. :)

JFK was shot from the front.
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.rights.human,soc.culture.latin-america,soc.culture.usa,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.censorship
From: bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman)
Subject: Re: Silence of the Lambs
Keywords: fraud hoax fix deceit unfair
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:29:15 GMT

891034d@ace.acadiau.ca (PETER F. DEARMAN) writes:


>>In the process of watching "The Silence of the Lambs."
>>Preliminarily, how oh how could they give this movie Best Picture
>>over Stone's JFK?

>Look for JFK as a possible next year.  Did it play on any screens in 1991?  
>If not, then it can't get an award until next year.  (I don't keep up on 
>that awards crap myself.  Haven't seen JFK either.  Liked Silence of the 

    I saw JFK in December of 1991. It played for a long time.... perhaps
    as long as 3 months. It was nominated for best picture this year 
    (i.e. for 1991 with awards given about a month ago). I will restate:
    Viewing Silence of the Lambs and then JFK, they are clearly not on
    an equal level. It is like putting Citizen Kane and The Terminator in
    the same category. JFK is a classic. Silence of the Lambs is not.


A
From: john@newave.UUCP (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: "Deep Throat", who was he?
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:31:19 GMT
Reply-To: john@newave.UUCP (John A. Weeks III)
Organization: NeWave Communications Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In article <1992Apr6.001144.11865@corax.udac.uu.se> t88_lars_e@maja.teknikum.uu.se (Pelle Hillberg) writes:
>Hi!
>I've just finished reading "All the President's Men" by Woodward and Bernstein.
>But now to the point. In the book, Woodward uses a "source" with codename "Deep
>Throat". Was it ever revealed who he/she was?

No.  But I'm guessing that it was Al Haig.  W&B probably will not reveal the
true identity until the informant has passed away.

-john-

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From: davros@leo.unm.edu (DAVROS)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Please repost Wackenhut data part 1
Keywords: Wackenhut,security,prison,nuclear,Energy Department,Army,CIA,Casolaro,Riconosciuto,Inslaw,investigation
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:27:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.zaqj2x+
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


   please repost wachenhut data part 1

   thanks
From: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Christic Vows to keep fantisizing, etc.
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:54:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: pencil.rich.702852876
Organization: University of Missouri

In <167C47024.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> gotcha@host.unknown (Judge Crater) writes:
>If this Hull was involved in drug running it has little or
>nothing to do with the Christic "case".
>         --skeptical to the point of derisive laughter

Hull is the CENTRAL FIGURE in the CI case!
You apparently don't care enough about the subject to know much about it.
Yet you waste bandwidth over it... why bother?

Rich
From: bob@pta.pyramid.com.au (Bob Vernon)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Bouncing eggs (Was: Eggs and vernal equinox)
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:48:52 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Sydney

In article <AdrE7VS00VBBA2YzMe@andrew.cmu.edu> ss7m+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven M. Stadnicki) writes:
>>Ok.  Now give the egg to your arthritic grandmother.  She has some
>>trouble holding it but manages it somehow.  When she is asked to
>>squeeze the egg she breaks it in less than a second.  Makes a mess on
>>the carpet and warns you never to use her for your experiments again.
>
>I'm surprised nobody's responded to this one yet.  Obviously your grandmother
>is the only one wearing a ring, which concentrates a lot of the pressure being
>applied into a single spot, rather than spreading it out over the entire
>surface of the egg...

Never thought of that.  This would possibly break the egg.  But its not
the way she did it.  She wasn't wrapping her fingers around the egg
correctly, so when she squeezed it she would push her thumb into it.
Its very easy to break an egg by pushing your fingers into it.
Everyone else was trying to break the egg by squeezing with the flats
of their fingers, which is impossible.


Bob V!
From: aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: De-ionized water mishap
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:32:29 GMT
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany


Hi,

reading the postings on this thread two things came to my mind:
(1) I've heard people saying that drinking deionized water was dangerous
    too. My understandig of this is, that although deionized water would
    soon mix with other water in the intestinal tract, it may harm cells
    that it comes into contact with before it picks up ions from somewhere,
    e.g. in the mouth or the pharynx.
    Moreover, I was told that it may rapidly pass through the walls of
    the stomach and mix with the blood. This dilutes the blood and disturbs
    the osmotic equilibrium of the body. In severe cases, the decreased
    concentration of ions in the blood can cause cells that are in touch
    with the bloodstream to blow up, and if such cell death becomes too
    massive it may be fatal.
    I once heard these rumors and never cared to investigate any further
    to confirm them, so they are just that, rumors.
(2) I know of a lot of people who use deionized water for preparing
    coffee or tea. However, I was told by some that it is important to
    know how the deionized water is prepared. They said that in some cases
    the deionized water may contain particles from ion exchanger columns
    that cause or promote cancer. Again, it's only rumors ...

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Emergency Traffic Light Interrupts?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:18:47 GMT

koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us (Louis Koziarz) writes:
>Does anyone have more information about how these work, or any key frequencies
>involved?  I'd love to rig up a maglite with a strobe or something and be
>able to point it out my window on mornings when I'm late.  If this thing can
>detect a strobe on an ambulance 200 yds away, why can't it detect a small
>strobe held in your hand inside your car?  If possible, is this illegal to
>do?  Has anyone tried this? 
*----
I would bet it's illegal:  It's certainly dangerous.  Don't forget,
when an emergency vehicle causes the light cycle to be modified,
drivers are warned by the flashing lights and sirens on the emergency
vehicles.

A few years ago, some communities in the Chicago area had similar
devices that were radio controlled.  Those were easy to trigger.
I've been wondering about the strobe-trigger myself.  It doesn't
look like all manufacturers of emergency equipment use the same
strobe cycle.

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: glen@slate.cs.wisc.edu (Glen Ecklund)
Subject: Re: Bouncing eggs (Was: Eggs and vernal equinox)
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:33:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr2.233752.16666@pta.pyramid.com.au> bob@pta.pyramid.com.au (Bob Vernon) writes:
>Take an egg.  Place it in the palm of your hand.  Wrap your fingers
>gently but firmly around it.
>
>Now squeeze.
>
>Squeeze harder.
>
>Come on.  Harder.  Squeeze it.  Break that damn sucker.  Can't do it
>can you.
>
I heard this when I was 16, and tried it in my girlfriend's kitchen.
I think I made some small effort to control the potential mess, but the
egg shot quite a ways.  Her parents never liked me.

I think I must have used my fingertips.

If I try it again, I'll put my hand, with egg, inside a bag first.
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From: ecc_jim@ecc.tased.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Paracetamol results in painful death
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:38:14 +1000

My doctor told me this, but I'd like confirmation.

If you eat a packet of Panadol (i.e. paracetamol) it will take a fortnight to
kill you and it will be extremely painful. Once absorbed, nothing can be done
for you.

I think he said it damages the kidneys (or maybe the liver) - hey I'm a
programmer not a medico!

Jim.