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From: dodd@mycenae.cchem.berkeley.edu (Lawrence R. Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Riding on melting tar.
Date: 24 Jan 93 04:05:25
Organization: Dept of Chemical Engineering, Polytechnic Univ, NY, USA
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In-reply-to: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz's message of 24 Jan 93 12:43:07 +1300


to your bike or to the road?  :-)

Larry Dodd
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Do you prefer friction?
Reply-To: les@cs.stanford.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<2724@blue.cis.pitt.edu>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:41:21 GMT

Let me again generate a little friction by pointing out again that
discussions of bicycle technology belong in rec.bicycles.tech, not
here, and that evaluations of specific products as well as offers to
sell or inquiries about such products belong in
rec.bicycles.marketplace, not here.
--
Les Earnest (Les@cs.Stanford.edu)               Phone:  415 941-3984
Computer Science Dept.; Stanford, CA 94305	  Fax:  415 941-3934
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ezag637@chpc.utexas.edu (Steve Manifold)
Subject: Re: Recumbents
Organization: The University of Texas System CHPC
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:29:33 GMT

In article <C17rIn.7Mt@news2.cis.umn.edu>, lind0014@student.tc.umn.edu () writes:
> In article <cma851.727585632@huxley> cma851@huxley.anu.edu.au (Brenton LeMesurier) writes:
> >
> >    There is a confusion here between force and work: since
> >
> >work= force times "speed component in the direction of the force",
> >the legs can generate the force necessary to hold the body up against
> >gravity without doing any mechanical work.
> >
> Actually this is Power (work/time).  Work is the force times the distance
> travelled.  
> 
> Chris Lindensmith
> lind0014@student.tc.umn.edu
> University of Minnesota


Well, if we are going to be pedantic, a scientific definition of work
is the scalar (or inner) product of a force vector and the displacement
vector of a particle experiencing the force vector.  My boss's definition
of work, on the other hand, is what I should be doing right now instead
of reading rec.bicycles and posting silly messages.
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Steve Manifold                                              University of Texas 
ezag637@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu                           College of Engineering
tasc637@crovax.cem.utexas.edu                       Center for Electromechanics
From: apm@hpopdlau.pwd.hp.com (Andrew Merritt)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: A Quick Survey
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:47:47
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, CCSY Messaging Centre, UK
Distribution: uk
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In-reply-to: dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk's message of 22 Jan 93 21:51:17 GMT


>Do you cycle on roads at all?
Yes
>Do you cycle on major roads at all?                       
Yes
>Do you cycle on major roads (especially dual carriageways) 
>outwith towns?                                             
I occasionally cycle on A roads; rarely on dual carriageways. 
>What do you think of the attitude of car (bus etc) drivers?
Generally OK, impatience seems to be the cause of most of the problems I have
to deal with.  Motorists either pull out in front of me too late, or overtake
at the approach to a junction too late (forcing me to brake more than
necessary).  Underestimating the speed of a cyclist may play a part in this.
>Do you think cyclists get enough respect?
Usually, but I may be slightly more assertive than average.
>Do you feel safe cycling on roads? 
Yes.  I feel less safe driving.
>Do you think enough is done to improve conditions for cyclists?
No.
>...and how do you think this should be done (cycleways, cycle lanes, or what)?
Better maintenance of existing roads (all the potholes seem to be at the edge
of the road).   Better education of motorists regarding the rights of cyclists
and how to deal with them when encountered.
>What is your normal mode of transport?
Cycling during the week.  Driving at weekends.
>How do you transport your bike (when not actually cycling!)?
Rarely.  In the back of the car.
>Are you a member of a cycle club or campaign group?
Friends of the Earth.
>What do you think of current transport policy?
Too much emphasis on roads for cars and lorries.  
>Do you think that bike carriage on trains is important?
Yes.
>What are the main uses of your bike?
Commuting to and from work.
>What sort of bike(s) do you have (mountain bike, recumbent, racer etc)?
Touring bike.
>(And I suppose I have to ask) do you wear a helmet?
Yes.
--
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	       (phone: +44 344 763152  HPDESK/OpenMail: Andy Merritt/HP1600/LB)
	       (X.400: C=GB;AD=GOLD 400;PD=HP;OU1=Pinewood;SN=Merritt;GN=Andy)
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From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)
Subject: Re: Recumbents
Reply-To: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:23:51 GMT

In article 26271@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com, harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney) writes:
>etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif) writes:
>: If the force pushing me towards the
>: saddle (gravity) is reduced (upwards pedal component), the soft tissues
>: in my perineum and the (slight) springyness of my saddle induce an
>: upwards movement of my body. Not a lot but noticeable. This variation
>: in seat pressure can be QUITE painful if you're already suffering form
>: a tender backside (like after a week of touring) or if you've let your
>: callouses deteriorate by riding a recumbent. :-/
>
>It's probably almost as painful as the varying pressure on your lower
>back as you slide back and forth on the seat of you recumbent :-)

Ah, but that pressure is much less because the force is distributed
over a surface that is an order of magnitude (or more) larger than the
seat of your upright.

>Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com

---
 Torsten Lif                          |   Upright bicycles are
 Ericsson Telecom AB, EO/ETX/TX/AD    |   a pain in the ass!
 S-126 25  STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN          |   
 Tel: +46 8 719 4881                  |   Be comfortable - ride a recumbent.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Re: Cycling at High(ish) Altitudes
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 13:16:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.113302.9998@news.ysu.edu>, ag544@yfn.ysu.edu (Erl R. Johnston) writes:
|> 
|> FRom Erl R Johnston @ The Queen's University Of Belfast
|> 
|> e-Mail u9118543@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk
|> 
|> 
|> Has anyone out there much experience of cycling at high altitudes
|> for extended periods of time - up to a week of serious exertion.
|> 
|> What is the effect of the altitude on the ability to carry on for
|> long periods of time, what is the effect on climbing ability & 
|> other high exertion activities.
|> 
|> Any experiences will be gratefully recieved


Going from a low lying area to high altitude, one must be cautious of
AMS (Acute Mountain Sickness).  It can occur at altitudes of about 
4500 - 5000'.  It is characterized by shortness of breath, dizziness,
blurred vision, and nausea.  There are a couple of prescription drugs
that can be taken to try counteract the problem.  The best way to avoid
it is to spend a couple of days at altitude to become aclimatized before
strenuous activity.  Apparently, it can be a very nasty experience.
Check the FAQ for rec.backcountry (this was dicussed just last week
there).

Cheers...Stuart
From: schuckv@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: help
Date: 28 Jan 93 20:58:48 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University

Here's a list of recumbent trike mfgrs.

Don Harse Recumbents
12485-N Peach Ridge
Athens, OH 45701

Earth Traveler
1475 Lillian Street
Livermore CA 94550
415/449-8312

Pedalcraft
5460 SW Philomath Hwy.
Corvallis OR 97333
503/752-5035

R & D Tech, Inc.
4207 jane Dr.
Jackson, MI 49201
517/787-7678

Ryan Recumbents
3910 Stewart Rd. Unit F
Eugene OR 97402
503/485-6674

Thebis International
110-2031 Malaview Ave
Sidney, B.C. Canada V8L 3X9
604/656-1237

Trailmate
2359 Trailmate Dr
Sarasota FL 34243

Good Luck

You can find more info from the folks on the list
hpv@sonoma.edu ( that's Human Powered Vehicles )

Happy Trials
vern schuck
vschuck@zippy.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: sherman@panix.com (Sherman Chan)
Subject: Re: A Quick Survey
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Distribution: uk
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:57:46 GMT

In <11432@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk (David R Marsh CS91) writes:

>I'd been thinking about this over the holidays, and was going to ask anyway,
>bit with the unfortunate "accident" in the USA, I thought it was quite 
>appropriate. 

>A quick survey about all things cyclewise.

>(Could everybody please post answers to the net, so that we can get a 
>conversation going: also, I don't have time to compile answers! :-)

>Do you cycle on roads at all?

Got nowhere else to go with a $150 roadbike I can't afford to replace.

>Do you cycle on major roads at all?

Sure.

>Do you cycle on major roads (especially dual carriageways) outwith towns?

Huh?

>What do you think of the attitude of car (bus etc) drivers?

Quite variable.  Often varies with the locale, in certain residential
neighborhoods with a lot of teenaged drivers, it pays to be a little wary
and possibly be ready for fisticuffs if you flash the finger.

>Do you think cyclists get enough respect?

Nope, at least not in the United States.

>Do you feel safe cycling on roads? 

If there are no unusual conditions, such as black ice on a donwhill turn,
a bar/club strip on a Friday night, or dangerously designed intersections.

>Do you think enough is done to improve conditions for cyclists?

Nope.


>...and how do you think this should be done (cycleways, cycle lanes, or what)?

I'm not sure.


>What is your normal mode of transport?

Cycling or public transportation.

>How do you transport your bike (when not actually cycling!)?

Remove the U-lock and place it upon my right shoulder, or I walk it.

>Are you a member of a cycle club or campaign group?

No.


>What do you think of current transport policy?

With regards to what?


>Do you think that bike carriage on trains is important?

Yes.


>What are the main uses of your bike?

Getting around.  And when I need money, messenger work.

>What sort of bike(s) do you have (mountain bike, recumbent, racer etc)?

Two lowest of the low road bikes.
Rallye 3000S - I use this one to commute/work.
Panasonic Sport 500 - The "good" bike

>What do you think of law-breaking cyclists?

Difficult to say.


>(And I suppose I have to ask) do you wear a helmet?

Sometimes.


>I hope this hasn't bored anybody, and look forward to seeing some interesting
>answers.

>Thanks for your time,


>David.-dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk  or  cad129@ccsun.strath.ac.uk {or sthg similar!}-

>If you did something which carried a high risk of your own death, a high risk 
>of killing other people, which adversely affected the environment, which cost
>you a lot of money, and was highly taxed, you'd stop wouldn't you?

>Driving: it's time to kick the habit.    "Training beats coaching" (C) ScotRail
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA (John Panusa)
Subject: Do you prefer friction?
Originator: jpanusa@sol.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:04:49 GMT

As indexed shifting systems seem to be touted as a
technological 'advance,' I was wondering if there
are any others out there who prefer friction shifting
to indexed?  As for myself, I feel a finely tuned
Campy N-record set-up is much preferable to an indexed
system, given the virtual silence of the shifting 
mechanism, and the ease of quick, multiple shifts.
As well, from my experience, it seems friction 
requires less effort in maintenance and fine-tuning.

By the way, I don't this holds for mountain bike set-ups,
only road...




Whaddya think??
From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Punishment for the Driver!
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:00:31 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <1993Jan21.214921.713@speedy.aero.org>, keenan@kanga.aero.org
(Don Keenan) wrote:

[I wrote]
> |> It's a bad idea to give motorists the finger, but it's an even worse idea
> |> to go around thinking motorists threaten and even kill bicyclists because
> |> bicyclists are not polite enough to them.  That's bullshit.
> |> 

> An antecdotal counterexample. A friend of mine had a minor (he thought) 
> verbal altercation with a motorist along the lines of "I've got a 
> right to the road, too." The motorist then drove ahead a little way 
> and got out of his car as my friend approached with a large wrench raised
> in a threatening manner. My friend swerved to avoid the threat and hit
> the side of a passing pickup truck. He fell breaking his collarbone and 
> shoulder blade. The threatening motorist drove off and was never found.
> 
> The point isn't that there is a legion of drivers out there just waiting 
> for an excuse to crush a cyclist. In fact, I think a lot of the posters
> are overly paranoid in this respect. I doubt that this fellow had it in for
> bicyclists in particular. The point is anytime you get in an
> arguement (or exchange of gestures) with someone you don't know you take 
> the risk that that person may react in an outrageous manner. If you're on 
> a bike in traffic that reaction can have very serious consequences. 
> 
> Your behaviour can generate unreasonable responses and it is not bullshit 
> to recognize that you are increasing your risk of injury by getting into
> an exchange of this sort.

My point was only that we must not consider a rude bicyclist to be the
*cause* of violent behavior by a motorist.  I agree with everything you've
said here except that one line about "Your behaviour can generate
unreasonable responses."  I'd say it can *stimulate* unreasonable
responses, but the guy with the wrench, or car, or whatever is the one who
generates his own unreasonableness.

It's always wise to avoid mere rudeness, unless a confrontation is what you
are looking for.  And if you're riding a bike, and the other guy is driving
a car, think hard about what kind of confrontation you want, and what kind
you might get.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Hey!
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Recumbents
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:34:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvusn.1993Jan25.203444.26203
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif) writes:
: If you're embarrassed by doing
: gymnastics in front of your screen you can try a simpler one. Raise
: your right arm to a straight horizontal and keep it extended at right
: angles to your body. Don't move it up or down, don't flex your fingers.
: Just keep it absolutely still and enjoy the sensation of lactic acid
: building up in your muscles.

The discomfort is primarily due to the limitation of blood flow caused
by the constantly-contracted muscle.  This is not a problem when
pedaling a bike.

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Punishment for the Driver!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:36:11 GMT

In article <1jn25fINN4ge@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram) writes:

>Look, I would like nothing better than to have the roadways all to myself.  But
>let's look at this on a "who pays, who benefits" basis.  Bikers comprise a very
>small portion of the traveling public.  It makes no sense, and is quite unjust m
>to ask *all* citizens to pay for roads and then hand them over to bikers.

Are you suggesting therefore that we eliminate carpool lanes? Certainly the
idea of using the fastest portion of the multi-million dollar high tech
road way for a minute percentage of the driving public is the same case.

What's more -- bicycle highways can take advantage of older secondary roads.
There need only be the limitations of cars from the roadway except for local
access. This idea is much better than bike paths which neither work for
safety nor speed of commute.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip D. Russell)
Subject: Re:  Commuting! (was Punishment for the Driver!)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:14:12 GMT

In article <30325@optima.cs.arizona.edu> sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed) writes:
>In article <1jmi26INNt1a@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> kipper@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Kip Ingram) writes:
>
>>I just don't
>>ride my bike in heavy traffic areas; I get to the well-shouldered highway just
>>as quickly as I can and do my training.
>
>That's just fine, if you're out for a joy-ride (pardon me, "training"); but
>some of us use the bicycle as a means of transportation also. If I have to
>go from point A to point B, I may not have this choice. I'm not trying to
>make some bloody political point. Forget bike lanes; give us wider streets
>and educated motorists.

Good point. I was recently flamed on a local campus newsgroup about
the fact that I "shouldn't waste money on bikes." This was in
reference to my sig.

I don't own a car!. I commute everywhere by bike. The cyclists who go
out and joy-ride (oops, training) just can't understand why I go through
parts so fast. Try riding everyday in all kinds of weather and you'll
see some heavy wear that the joy-riders will never see.

Flip



-- 
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From: nic@maths.tcd.ie (Nicola Flynn)
Subject: >
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:22:51 GMT

For how many years have bicycles been on the seen?
In my opinion ,the bicycle is THE greatest invention.
They are kind to Nature which is extremely important 
in today's environmentally-aware society.Drawbacks
to the bicycle are numerous (and they can be
involved in fatal accidents- which I'm sure many
of you know);but most of the time it's just a couple 
of bruises and damaged pride that's involved.
A couple of scratches and bruises isn't too much 
to pay ,I reckon , for a cleaner Carbon Monoxide
free world! Of course that would involve getting 
rid of the automobile which apart from being very
unpopular with the people is another days work!!!
All in all the bicycle is pretty cool!
From: harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Recumbents
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:37:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvusn.1993Jan25.203731.26271
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif) writes:
: If the force pushing me towards the
: saddle (gravity) is reduced (upwards pedal component), the soft tissues
: in my perineum and the (slight) springyness of my saddle induce an
: upwards movement of my body. Not a lot but noticeable. This variation
: in seat pressure can be QUITE painful if you're already suffering form
: a tender backside (like after a week of touring) or if you've let your
: callouses deteriorate by riding a recumbent. :-/

It's probably almost as painful as the varying pressure on your lower
back as you slide back and forth on the seat of you recumbent :-)

Harry Phinney   harry@hp-pcd.cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: crwg2707@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (R. Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: short term non-bike training
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:08:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.C1GvDu.7tn
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I'm going to be going to Germany this summer and it won't be convenient to
take my bike with me to keep in "racing" shape.  It's a business trip and
will only be for about 3 weeks.  What would you fitness and training experts
do in my shoes?  It's about 12 miles from where I'll be staying to the test
site I'll be working at so running to work is kind of out of the question.
I could possibly skate that far but I'm not really in that kind of "skating-
shape".  Please give me some advice so when I come back the bullys don't
kick sand in my face.  Thanks.


Ride on, 
Raydude.

"Ray, a man unburdened by the rigors of coherent thought." 
          -a Brannonism quoted by George Heinz
"And the worms ate into his brain." -PF The Wall.
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.misc:2187 uk.transport:333
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  I recently purchased a Specialized M2. I decided to hold off on 
  suspension because of some questions I have. First off, is there
  seems to be a couple of solutions for suspension that attempt to 
  accomplish the same result; front-end, and handle bar.  I know a 
  lot of people riding fork suspension, they all say the same things, 
  ie; it alters the frame geometry, it adds weight, there's maintenance, 
  etc....  But they are still sold on the forks.  Unfortunatley, no one
  I know has ridden handle bar suspension.

  I'm curious to know if anyone has tried riding handle bar suspension,
  and might be able to compare/contrast this with fork/frame solutions.

-RC
 richd@hpfcmws
From: jrdodd@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Riding on melting tar.
Date: 24 Jan 93 12:43:07 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Sorry to bring this up in the middle of your winter,  but I've a distinctly
summer question...

Quite a few of the tarseal roads around here are now starting to melt in the
sun,  including some of the better cycling routes around here.  You all know
the feeling,  when you start hearing your tyres pulling up the tar etc.

Any comments on the damage being done? 

Thanks,

Jonathan Dodd,
Hamilton,
New Zealand.
 
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From: yschin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Yu-Shin Chin)
Subject: Re: A Quick Survey
Organization: University of Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: uk
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:06:15 GMT

In article <11432@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk>, dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk (David R Marsh CS91) writes:
|> I'd been thinking about this over the holidays, and was going to ask anyway,
|> bit with the unfortunate "accident" in the USA, I thought it was quite 
|> appropriate. 
|> 
|> A quick survey about all things cyclewise.
|> 
|> (Could everybody please post answers to the net, so that we can get a 
|> conversation going: also, I don't have time to compile answers! :-)
|> 
|> Do you cycle on roads at all?
	yes

|> Do you cycle on major roads at all?
	yes

|> What do you think of the attitude of car (bus etc) drivers?
|> Do you think cyclists get enough respect?
	Most people give me sufficient room.  It is only a small minority(less than 1%) which do not move the car over to the left to give me room.
		

|> Do you feel safe cycling on roads? 
	During the daytime, I feel quite safe.
	
	
|> ...and how do you think this should be done (cycleways, cycle lanes, or what)?
	I would like to be legally entitled to one lane and it would be my choice whether a vehicle can pass on the same lane as I am riding on.  I would also be willing to pay a bicycle registration fee/insurance to obtain this right. 

|> What is your normal mode of transport?
	mountain bike/car - summer, bus/car - winter
|> 
|> How do you transport your bike (when not actually cycling!)?
	roof rack on my car

|> Are you a member of a cycle club or campaign group?
	I plan to join real soon.
 

|> What are the main uses of your bike?
	I commute to school during the summer and use it offroad for fun.

|> What sort of bike(s) do you have (mountain bike, recumbent, racer etc)?
	Mountain bike

|> What do you think of law-breaking cyclists?
	I think that they should be fined by the police. and repeat offenders should have their bicycles impounded.

|> (And I suppose I have to ask) do you wear a helmet?
	yes.
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