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From: bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring)
Subject: Re: SOCCER NEWSGROUP
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:12:18 GMT

motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta) writes:

>Hey guys,
>Does anybody there is interested in spliting this newsgroup in two? 
>Something like "Rec.soccer.England" and "Rec.soccer.rest of the world"?
>Nothing against English soccer, really! Just tired of hiting the kill
>file key.
>Could someone, please, post the Italian results more often? How about South
>America soccer for a change? Or even the rest of Europe? 
>Nana

>*******************************************************************************
>Nazare Motta           Motta@leland.stanford.edu OR Motta@Hoover.Bitnet
>Hoover Inst.Library
>Stanford Ca
>U.S.A.

>A REAL BITCH ALLWAYS TELL WHAT SHE THINKS

>*******************************************************************************

Great idea, the splitting thing! You sure have my support!

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From: PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The mighty Liverpool
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:54:14 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


      Man, I share exactly the same feelings of hatred for Manchester United.
I hope that they fail again to win the championship because I am sick of all
those people who say that Manchester United is the best ever English team.
I also want Liverpool to win the championship, but it looks like it won't
happen.  Therefore, I want Aston Villa or someone else except Manchester United
to win it.
     LIVERPOOL: THE BEST TEAM THE WORLD HAS SEEN
                                                                     Panos
From: mcunniffe@essb.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Introduction 
Reply-To: mcunniffe@essb.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 19:16:22 GMT

          
--

          Hi folks,
                   My name is Martin Cunniffe and I am from Galway, Ireland.
I work in Digital and I am a Liverpool football fan. They are the best team
that there has ever been. The Liverpool teamS of 1973-1990 were the best club
teams ever seen. Even the likes of AC Milan wouldn't be fit to tie their 
boots and John Aldridge is the best individual player that there has ever
been.

      That's all for now.

        Martin 
    
       Martin Cunniffe, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - mcunniffe@essb.enet.dec.com
From: PKARLIOT%KNOX.BITNET@UICVM.UIC.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: The mighty Liverpool
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:16:48 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

      Why should be jealous of a club that hasn't won a League title since, oh
boy, Lyndon Johnson was the President of the U.S...remember 1967???
      I don't think that Liverpool has an inferiority complex about Manchester
United; if United was better, they would have won more championships and more
European Cups than Liverpool.  The Liverpool fans hate United perhaps because
they want someone to hate.  Well, Everton is another hate target but it doesn't
have the magnitude of Man United.
      By the way, I don't know if attendance figures make a great club.  For
example here in the United States, the NBA basketball team Charlotte Hornets
set attendance records last year.  However, they failed to make the playoffs and
   the Chicago Bulls won the NBA title.  In previous years, the Toronto Blue Jay
   s
used to have the biggest attendance in Major League Baseball, but they won the
World Series only this past fall.  Popularity also doesn't mean that the team
that is popular is also the best; example: here in the United States, the
Chicago Cubs and the New York Yankees are considered the most popular baseball
teams; however, the Cubs haven't won a World Series since 1908(!!!) and the
Yankees haven't won since 1981.
      Actually the Cubs have had 3 straight losing seasons and 17 of their last
20 seasons have also been losing.
      Damn, only teams like Ipswich haven't won a League title since 1967!!!!!!!
   !!!!!!!
      Maybe if the retired United greats would come back, United could finish
this year...second!!!
      It's very funny to say that Liverpool fans have an inferiority complex
over Manchester United.  We just want to hate someone.
                                                                 Panos
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Subject: History lesson (was Re: Liverpool = Roman Empire)
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 04:35:37 GMT


>>>>> "Mukesh" == 074SPOCK  (074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za)

Mukesh> There is only one hope for them. Get RID of BRUTUS (Souness)
Mukesh> and reinstate CEASAR (Keegan, Dalglish ?). 

Hmm. Brutus never ruled, you know, he just executed the kill. Rather,
the killing of Caesar resulted in a civil war within the Roman empire,
with Octavian ending up on top. Octavian masterly changed the republic
into a monarchy and became a brilliant ruler under the name of
Augustus, making the Roman empire stronger than ever. The empire
didn't even start to collapse until 200 years later.

One wonders if your grasp of football is better than your
understanding of history.

/Lars
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: u906789@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian Turner)
Subject: Re: SUGGESTION FOR WORLD CUP GAMES ENDING IN TIES
Organization: University of Tasmania (Australia)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:51:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.014529.21612@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, rgj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (RICHARD G. JOHNSTON) writes:
> 
> The penalty kick procedure used to end tie games during the World Cup is, in
> my opinion, a poor solution to the problem. Here is my alternative to breaking
> ties. At the end of regulation make both sides play with only nine players for
> some period of time, maybe 10 minutes. If the game is still tied 1 more player
> would be pulled from each side every five or ten minutes. With such an
> approach at least the game would be determined on the field. Anyone who has
> played soccer realizes fewer players on the same size pitch opens up the game.  previous
> World Cup had too many teams trying to play to play to a scoreless tie in
> order to take their chances with penalty kicks. Any other alterantives?
> 

Extra time should be lengthened maybe even up to 60 mins with it being 1st goal
wins. If then tied then something drastic like goal keepers can't touch the ball
or something like that.
Maybe another idea to lengthen games is to have time keepers instead of the 
refs watch to time the game so that there is actually 90 mins played.

mark.
From: solodov@monterey1.cs.wisc.edu (Mikhail V. Solodov)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SOCCER NEWSGROUP
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:16:10 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <1993Jan7.184211.8648@leland.Stanford.EDU> motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta) writes:
>Hey guys,
>Does anybody there is interested in spliting this newsgroup in two? 
>Something like "Rec.soccer.England" and "Rec.soccer.rest of the world"?
>Nothing against English soccer, really! Just tired of hiting the kill
>file key.
>Could someone, please, post the Italian results more often? How about South
>America soccer for a change? Or even the rest of Europe? 
>Nana
>
>*******************************************************************************
>Nazare Motta           Motta@leland.stanford.edu OR Motta@Hoover.Bitnet
>Hoover Inst.Library
>Stanford Ca
>U.S.A.
>
>A REAL BITCH ALLWAYS TELL WHAT SHE THINKS
>
>*******************************************************************************

   I can't agree more.
   British football is of little interest to the general 
   internatinal public. At this time anyway.
   80% of all postings is clearly way out of proportion.
   Michael.
From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: CHANGE THE LEAGUES IN SCOTLAND
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:47:51 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

there seems to be a chance that the SSL will not go ahead now. Thank christ for
that. If it does though, the SSL would get no places in europe, and if Rangers
and Aberdeen etc honestly believe that they can form a european superleague
with the likes of milan, marseille etc, then they are kidding themselves. Milan
are not going to leave the money-spinning italian league, same goes for
marseilles etc. No chance. However, the SFA are missing a great chance to do
some good in the game for once, providing the SSL doesn't happen. A 14-12-12
set up again means no opening of the leagues to highland league sides etc,
which, given the drubbings regularly handed out to Division 2 sides in the cup
by these sides and the general standards in the highland league, is ridiculous.
This is how i would have set it up. 

new premier league:    new first division   new second division

16 teams               10 teams             16 teams (4 non league sides)

it would work like this:

this seasons bottom 2 don't get their asses saved and go down
the top six from division 1 go into the premier. Again the bottom 2 in div one
go down to div 2. In div 2, the bottom 2 get relegated and four non-league
sides come up, say 2 highland league teams and 2 from the south league or
whatever it's called (the league that has gala etc). The two that would be
relegated go into whichever league is closest to them. OR there could be a
'feeder' league of non league sides, of which the top 4 go up, and thereafter,
2 up, 2 down. The feeder league would itself be fed teams by North, South and
Central and so on, making it possible for junior sides to make it to the top
level, if they were ambitious enough. the theory being that, any club, no
matter how small could get into the actual scottish league if they were
ambitious enough.

The premier league sides play each other twice, so only 30 league matches a
season, the first division play each other 4 times, so 36 matches for them, and
the division 2 sides play twice so 30 games for them. The skol cup would be
abolished so that even the most successful team would play no more than 45
matches in a season.

confused?

you should be.....

 
 
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From: jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Just another example of the 'fabulous' English
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:22:18 GMT
Organization: AT&T

> In article <1993Jan5.102553.9177@fwi.uva.nl> bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa Bronstring) writes:
> >

Well, even though this is a wind up by Mischa, what his argument proves is how
crap the lower divisions are in other countries.
Especially in Holland, everyone knows that apart from the top 3-4 same teams
(PSV, Ajax, Feyenoord) the rest of the First Division is a bit of a joke (:-))

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From: vassil@mary-ann.cs.wisc.edu (Vassil Peytchev)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: WC Qual. Groups (Europe)
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:01:57 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

ACCGAT@vaxc.hofstra.edu (Garen Tchopourian) writes:
|>
|>Hey guys,
|>
|>  In case if you are interested in who's on top of their groups here is a
|>break_down :
|>
|>  Group1       Group2        Group3        Group4        Group5      Group6
|>  ======       ======        ======        ======        ======      ======
|>1-Switzerl.    Norway        Ireland       Belgium       Greece      Bulgaria
|>2-Portugal     Poland        Lithuania     Romania       Hungary     Sweden
|>3-Italy        England       N. Ireland    Wales         Russia      France
|>4-Scotland     Turkey        Spain         Czechosol.    Iceland     Israel
|>5-Malta        Netherland    Denmark       Cyprus        Luxembourg  Austria
|>6-Estonia      San Marino    Latvia        Faroe Isl.                Finland
|>                             Albania
|>			     
|>  I'd like to see some of your predictions on who's gonna come 1st and 2nd in
|>their groups. I'll post mine soon. 
|>

  Group1	Group2	      Group3	Group4	  Group5   Group6
1-Italy		Netherland    Denmark	Romania	  Russia   Sweden
2-Portugal	England	      Spain 	Belgium	  Greece   Bulgaria (*)

(*) From the predictions I have seen posted, it looks like I could get rich
by betting that Bulgaria will qualify... Any takers? ;-))

-Vassil
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From: clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: SOUNESS V SMITH (and McAvennie)
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:11:41 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1993Jan7.130740.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
> In article <1993Jan7.123913.1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>, clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>> In article <1993Jan6.183038.2661@dct.ac.uk>, mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (john bell) writes:
>>> at Liverpool: Given lots of dosh to spend. Is relying on reserve players these
>>>                 days. team wins....
>> 
>> This also applies to Walter Smith
>>> 
>>> conclusion: souness is a crap manager, smith did all the work at ibrox, souness
>>>             took most of the credit. 
>>>  
>> Conclusion: Both are average managers, but it just shows you what money in ANY
>>             hands does MOST of the time, gets some success. !!!!!!
> 
> Nonsense.  It takes a reasonable degree of skill and judgement for a manager
> to buy players who will form a good team.  The game is littered with clubs 
> who have nearly gone bust or won nothing despite spending millions and 
> millions.  Man Utd have been trying for years and years to win the league
Your definition of a "good" team is a bit suspect I don't think any British
teams are good enough for a lot of European opponents.

.  Walter Smith is an
> excellent manager, definetly better than Souness although Mr. S's contribution
> can never be forgotten.  Along in the East End of this city, vast amounts 
> of money have been spent on players who never fitted in -

What happens in the east end of the city is irrelevant to this posting.
>> 
>> If you look at the budgets of Aberdeen,Dundee Utd,Celtic,and Rangers, when they
>> 
>> were competing and winning in europe you should conclude that these managers 
>> 
>> were the GREAT ones not somebody who has a blank cheque book.
>>  
> 
> Rangers won in Europe as well without spending vast amounts.  Liam Brady has 
> had the largest amount of money available to any Celtic manager and has yet
> to come up with the goods -- a trophy.  It's OK playing nice stuff but I'm 
> sure most people would like to see a reward at the end of it.
>
You seem to have a fixation about Celtic, I thought Rangers were now on par
with the AC Milans etc. of this world ????? You seem to compare everything they
are doing to what Celtic are doing. Why ???? Is it that you realise Rangers are
good but not great and it doesn't matter if they don't win in Europe at least
they've beaten Celtic.????
> 
>
From: clgs11@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Scottish Results/News 9th January 1993
Date: 11 Jan 93 11:25:57 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster


 	In an interview with Radio Clyde on Saturday, the Celtic chairman,
> Kevin "Steptoe" Kelly declared why his club is supporting the proposals
> for a restructuring of the existing Scottish League to a 14-12-12 set up.
> The Premier League would break into 2 sections mid way through and the top 6
> teams would play off for the Championship with all teams starting on 
> 0 points. This is a non-starter since why should the team who accumulates

Surely if Rangers are as strong and unbeatable etc,etc...(cont. Daily Record)
They would have nothing to fear about winning such a league. In fact, the 
winners in this set up would be the fans due to the fact games late in the
season would have a lot more meaning in deciding the Championship, and
therefore be more competative. The fans would remain interested and the
league would become stronger on the European scene due to the winter break
and less games being played.

> most points be deprived of them in the 2nd stage.  As Kelly said "Last 
> season we would have the league if this system had been in operation". It's
> the only way they'll win the league and the proposals should be modified
> or rejected.  There is also a rumour circulating that Celtic will be
                                ^^^^^^
> rewarded by the SFA with a bit of groundsharing.  Amatuer Productions indeed !!
>  
Along the same lines as Rangers working hand in glove with a Tory Govt. to
stop the Development of Hampden in the early 80's ?????

-: In The End :-

A.
Organisation: European Space Technology Centre (E.S.T.E.C)
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 17:12:21 CET
From: <SCLARKE@ESTEC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: RE : Just another example of the 'fabulous' English

Mischa write :
>What a two-weeks holiday can do to a person! The last days I was so bored
>that I watched some English FA-Cup soccer. Soon I was even more bored, by
>the lack of intelligence in the games, but then Bolton Wanderers against
>Liverpool came up...

I was also bored in Holland for 2 weeks at Christmas - more to do with
lack of alcohol/alcoholics than Bolton v Liverpool in the best cup
competition in the World.
Perhaps an overdose of coffee by yourself was the cause?
>
>You'll all now the result (2-2) by now. Just another example of what the
  * anti top team drivel deleted *
>Another remarkable thing I noticed: Stuart Pearce, the captain of the English
>tional team, plays for Nottingham Forrest. I grabbed my Voetbal International
>from somewhere and looked for the English standings and yes... Forrest
>firmly occupy the last position in the Premier League. That's a strange thing,
> think. What if Forrest relegates this season? Will Pearce still play for them
>in the first division? And will he then still be captain (or even player) for
>the national team? I don't think that would happen if something like that
>happened here. If a player plays for a lower-regions team here, he isn't
>selected at all for the Dutch team. Any comments about that strange situation?

Stuart Pearce is actually playing well, as are Forest (ridiculously!)
although they seem to have no luck at present. This will almost certainly
change. He would probably play for England if Forest were relegated, as he
would still be the best left back  in the country.

OK, it won't happen in Holland, although you stand a better chance of
playing for Oranje if you play for AC Milan. Not much chance at all if in
Holland you play for any other team apart from Ajax/PSV/Feyenoord (it seems)

>--
>-  Q: Why do I like white beans in /\  Mischa Bronstring (bronstri@fwi.uva.nl)-
>-     tomatosauce?                 \/    Schoterbosstraat 15                  -
>-  A: Because PSV Eindhoven plays  /\      2023 TR  Haarlem                   -
>-     in white and red!            \/        HOLLAND                          -

Ho Ho

Regards, Sean
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: SSL: The Celtic Defacation
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:11:25 GMT

J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross) writes:

>Three more sensible options for a Championship play-off:

>1) Retain half points (rounded up) from the first phase - adds a bit of
>   excitement by reducing the gap between top and bottom, but is it fair
>   to the leading clubs? 

That is the current setup in Denmark. There has been some bitching about
from the current league leaders (FC K/obenhavn), but their coach
(Benny Johansen) is the worst loser this side of the North Sea so
I think the system is good enough.

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