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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:39:54 GMT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Two Predictions
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On Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:21:54 GMT, "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK@CFRVM.BITNET> wrote:
> his blessing on marriage?   So my prediction is that (1)  priests will
> be allowed to marry, and (2) women will allowed to be priests.  I may
> not see this happen in my lifetime, but viewing the two celebrants Sunday,
> it would have seemed quite right in my mind for them to both have been
> priests ...and married to each other.

What, to his sister???!! :-)

1) The Church of Rome admits when pressed that the bit about celibacy of
priests was an accident caused by a (16th? 17th?) century misinterpretation
of the scriptures, and isn't part of the official Church dogma.  Before
that time priests _were_ allowed to marry.

2) After our CofE debate recently, it was reported that 1 in 3 Catholic
priests were in favour of ordination of female priests.

I tend therefore to agree with both your statements.

G
From: samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
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Date: 16 Nov 92 23:07:00 GMT
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>Recall that this is from an Op-Ed essay in Saturday's New York Times by
>Charles Rembar, titled 'Jeeves Unmasked.  Finally.  Maybe.'
> ...
> ...
>>               That parent must have been his mother.  Bertie is the
>>product of a dalliance between a high-born lady and a man not of her
>>station.  The man is Jeeves.  Jeeves is Bertie Wooster's father.


The last of the Rembars had obviously had a few quick ones before bunging
in this dashed nonsense into the New York Times mail.

Bertram Wilberforce Wooster has to carry around with him his embarrassing
middle name in memory of the horse which gave his father the cash so much
needed to provide the Wooster family the lifestyle matching that of any
other entry in Debrett's.

It is difficult to believe that Jeeves is the same as that vapid wastrel
of a London lizard who, let it be very clear, contributed the vapid wastrel
genes to Bertie, and who, heavily in debt but with the unflagging sportsman-
like spirit which has characterized all Woosters since the battle of Agin-
court (where THEY did their bit, not Jeeves) and an equal amount of touching
faith in miracles, placed his last penny on outsider Wilberforce.

Wilberforce, not being a low cad, did not let down Wooster senior. However,
it was a trying time for him to vindicate the trust Wooster had placed in
him. This Wooster behaviour is typical Wooster behaviour and if one may
say so, typical un-Jeeveslike behaviour in addition.

The New York Times would do well to keep scriptural scholars strongly leashed
when they are seized by irrational impulses to have a go at Wodehouse. Of
all bally rot.

tushar
From: DTHORNTN@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Don Thornton)
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Subject: RE: My first CS assignment: THE WAKATRON!
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:49:08 GMT
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Tushar!...I'm really distraught to hear that your wonderfully sappy story
was just a wonderfully sappy story ... and what's more I shall believe
that it is substantially true (and that's where it stands).  deleted smiley

      list tush:>     .... That sliver of saponified entertainment didn't
list poobearsir:>     really happen. It's just a story.
      list hunk:>
   list poo bah:>        What actually happened was I casually ....


Anyway hope you like your new field, why did you decide to change?

don
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:53:10 EST
From:         "Judith E. Schrier" <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Things that make you go *sigh*
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>>Don't enumerate your fowl...
>>doris
>
>This reminds me. Everyone check out this cool question: WHY do
>we say "disoriented like a decapitated chicken"? Has anyone SEEN
>a headless chicken?
>
>tushar

OH, NO!!! NOT AGAIN!!!

judith
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ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka) writes:
> It was a freezer-on-the bottom type, which seems to have gone out
> of style.....  Is it economics, or frozen dinners?:-)

It's ergonomics and demographics.

A lot of people have trouble bending and stooping to reach items
in bottom freezers.  As the population has gotten older (and
stiffer) and increased its consumption of previously frozen foods
the manufacturers moved the freezers up.

Some fridges (like "dorm" models) fashion their freezers out of
the cooling coils and use the fact that cold air sinks to keep
the goods below cool.  For these it is economics (only one set of
cooling coils).

--karsten

(newer fridges also have larger freezers)
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:56:58 CST
From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      :-)
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I just read this on another list (via usenet):

>   Three times this
> week [name deleted] traffic has gone over 50 messages-per-day and shut down
> automatically.  I could raise the shut-down limit but I won't; no
> human being on earth needs to receive more than 50 messages a day
> from any one list.

<chortle>
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: bsinger@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bayla Singer)
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Subject: Re: Things that make you go *sigh*
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Date: 17 Nov 92 10:55:08 GMT
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The truth, now, ggs: if the Repubs had been giving things away,
wouldn't you have made some negative comment about their having 
come by it in <unnatural> fashion, or <throwing their money 
around>?

--bayla
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:44:45 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: Things that make you go *sigh*

>Eleven slots for eggs, ten hot dogs for packages of eight buns (or is it
>the other way around?)...

Darn it Doris, that's not the same thing! You could easily buy four packages
of hot dogs for five of buns and peace is guaranteed! On the other hand,
buying twelve goddamned fridges just to house eleven (or twenty-two) doz
isn't something everyone finds convenient!

That's a BIG difference, I say!

tushar
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Date: 23 Nov 1992 21:04:33 GMT
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In a previous article, N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (gilbertsmith) says:

>It is obvious that ooogacooogaeedooo needs a bit of mineral
>oil in its system today.  How *long* does it take, anyway?
>Drop that load, boy, you'll feel better when you do.
>Excuse me, please, have you had your bowel movement today?
>--ggs
>
This thing's beyond mineral oil, Giggles, it needs a shot of tabasco; as in
shot glass full, straight up.  And if you think UGA's in trouble, you
should see this Telnet connection.  It makes the Sludgemeister of Georgia
look like Speedy Gonzales.<urgggggggh>
-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
			- ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:53:54 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: Things that make you go *sigh*

>> But there is just so much that one can take. Strange I didn't realize
>> it before. To everyone, thanks for talking to me. Bye,
>>
>> tushar
>
>Does this mean I have to write a <poem>?
>--ggs (list lariat)

NO! No, see, I am back! See?

tushar
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:28:11 EST
From:         Rita Marie Rouvalis <rita@EFF.ORG>
Subject:      The Nude Dude
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Well, you just have to say, "Only on Usenet."  Today saw the creation of
alt.fan.naked-guy.  Apparently, Mr. Martinez's nudist tendencies are
being mimicked now just because the president of the school outlawed
running around nekkid.  I like it.

Am I the only one who pines for the golden era of the streakers?

Rita
"Ethel, you get yer clothes *on*!"

:wq
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Subject:      GI Bill (Serviceman's readjustmen act)

Greetings,

Eight million vets took advantage of GI Bill educational benefits after
WWII and Korea.  In addition, some four million took advantage of
veterans loan benefits that facilitated the purchase of housing (through
V.A. loans, of course) by 1955.   Of the educational beneficiaries, fewer
than 3% were women (I haven't found a breakdown on the loans for the same
period.  Interestingly enough, the original GI Bill did not include an
antidiscrimination clause and at least one writer, H.M. Hyman claims that
the bill "in effect subsidized continuing and enlarging disproportions
between the incomes of white colleges and universities  and the A&Is and
A&Ms that in some states equaled the label black."

Prudent skeptics, naturally, prefer to find their own data and apply their
own analytical skills to such questions.

Marty
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Kinko's Sex
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Fantastically slick new Kinko's copycenter commercial just
popped up on the TV:  Management level up and coming kind of
guy is talking on the phone to his boss about whether he has the
report ready for presentation.  Boss keeps saying "Well, what about
the so-and-so, do you have that ready?" and guy says "No problem"
and then there is a shot of employees throwing things together,
pretty color copies, flipping through the beautifully prepared
report, and guy keeps saying "No problem" to all the bosses
questions.  Then boss says "How did you do it?"  Guy replies
"Connections...."  More shots of employees turning pages of
report.  *ALL* the employees are women (obviously secretaries
doing the work for the guy), and then the boss asks "Connections?"
Guy calmly says, smiling, "Yes, connections..." and sips on his
cup of coffee (brought to him, most likely, by one of the women),
then a shot of the Kinko's logo.
*What* message does this bring to us?  This guy is obviously
on the way <up>, thanks to Kinko's and thanks to all those
<people> helping *him*.
Is this enlightened or what?
--ggs (who has to get his own coffee in the morning)
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:08:00 EST
From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      FYFI
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....have...
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:55:00 EST
From:         "Alec D. Plotkin" <185422285@UCIS.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Cincinnati dialect: Update
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>Cheeseheads 17, Yellow Mustard on Hot Dogs 3!

Eagles win again. Giants falter and Quarterback is knocked
senseless.


later

alec
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:18:31 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: My first CS assignment: THE WAKATRON!

>*ts*, you are <forgiven> for all sins past and future, <absolved>,
><justified>, <cleansed>, made <clean as a whistle>....  From this
>moment on, you can do no <wrong>.....

Smith, I take it that you understand I did this for the express
purpose of guilt-free Smith-flaming in the future.

I'll start by saying that my opus demonstrates the essential
absurdity and mechanicalness of all wakation.

I have merely started.

tushar
From: BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
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Subject: The word -strac-
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:38:23 GMT
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JMW and mem nailed this one, but I want to add some comments.

Originally an acronym for STRategic Army Corps, the designated (airborne)
corps whose elements are held in varying degrees of readiness for
strategic deployment, one unit after another.   A US military doctrine
dating at least from the 60s and latterly employed in Operation Desert
Shield, when part of the 82nd Airborne Division was rapidly inserted
into Saudi Arabia, quickly followed by the rest of its umbrella organi-
zation.  The doctrine was modified throughout the 70s and 80s, I am
told, because of the realities of likely engagement -- East Bloc
forces in Europe and potential foes in the Middle East, all of which
would have overwhelming numerical strength in troops and armor.

My interest in the word was recently stimulated by the memory of its
use as a slangy adjective among the rank-and-file in the early 70s --
meaning not just "neat" or "orderly" but more like "surpassing the
most stringent standards of inspection."  The enlisted men like me
who heard or used it were of course ignorant of where the word came
from, but nevertheless developed a profound distaste for the practical
effects it had on our everyday lives.  (These were soldiers, I should
add, who were not in STRAC units.)

I had evidence that the word had disappeared or fallen into disuse
in the Army, but I called an officer in the (ROTC) Military Science
Department here on campus: he knew its spit-and-polish meaning without
any prompting, but not the command concept that gave rise to it.
This was a surprise to me.


brad
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:22:40 CST
From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      RE: My first CS assignment: THE WAKATRON!

>> I'd forgotten that poem.  Thanks for recalling it.  Natalie, is it
>> in the ftp space?
>
>I don't remember it.  How long ago was it?  If somebody will send it to
>me, it will go into ftp space now.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

I somehow get the feeling that it was before the beginning of the new
ftp expansion and diversification era.

tushar
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:51:00 HST
From:         "Michael E. Macmillan" <MACMILLM%EWC.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: 'Wimmin' 'Womyn' - Historical Roots?

>I think "person" is fine. Is it really true that it hasn't entered language?
>
>tushar

Obviously there is a big problem with "person."  S-O-N.

Michael E. Macmillan
(macmillm@ewc)
From: ap290@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Date: 17 Nov 92 04:40:23 GMT
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[first try at this bounced sky high - this mailer is still Wheaties 1.01 :-( ]

>Akio, the letter and pictures arrived today - THANKS!  It's a hoot to see
>those jade t-shirts on two people in Tokyo.:-)[and kids doing what kids do
>in family shots everywhere, it seems :) ]
>
>Anyway, to the main reason for the post:
>
>6)Gloria Rivers - a possible original name for one of the authors mentioned
>in connection with Croning ceremonies.
>
>8)Kitchen Patrol - KP, as it's known to just about everyone who knows anyone
>who was ever a private in the US army.  If a person has KP, it means
>scrubbing pot, peeling potatoes, and washing floors.  It's often a punishment
>detail for some minor infraction one's sergeant would rather forget about.
>My dad volunteered for it a few times, because peeling potatoes beat a 60K
>hike in the middle of July.:-)  I mentioned it, because Graham pulled this
>duty chez Judith once or twice.
>
>10)Toad the Wet Sprocket - alternative rock band, with one top40 single
>under their belts.  Some people like them, others think they <expletive
>deleted>.  Don't ask for my opinion; musically it's not too reliable [shut
>UP Tushie!] - I'll listen to virtually anything.:-)
>
>--
>               ###     Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
>                       - ap290@cleveland.freenet.edu
>             Where anything can happen, and it usually does
>
>

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From: TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU (Blue eyes cryin' in the rain)
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Date: 16 Nov 92 21:57:00 GMT
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        As a favor for a local newbie, I send the following:

>From:  CISVMS::JRLST14      16-NOV-1992 16:44:47.44
>To:    TRAVEN
>CC:
>Subj:  What happened?

>Neal,
>       For whatever reason, the student computer system has discontinued
>BITNET, thus cancelling my subscription. I vow that I will not go down
>without a fight, but I don't expect much results.
>       In regards to the list, please pass on these messages:
>Don: Peace.
>List Pooh-Bear: I will never think of the Ga quite the same way.
>Judith: Images of you in leather will dwell happily in my subconscious, I
>       assure you.
>I want to extend my best wishes to the entire list. I only wish I could be
>there to share in the snappy comebacks and endless rhetoric. I will miss you.

>Peace, Love, and Eternity,
>Jim

>Thank you for relaying this message. Perhaps we will someday meet. I look
>forward to that.

>Peace, Love, and Pitt,
>Jim

>P.S. I _do_ have the mandatory beard and ponytail. Just thought I'd add that.


        For a little while, I'll act as Jim's contact for return greetings (or
        you can send it privately to him at either 'jrlst14+@pitt.edu' or
        'jrlst14@vms.cis.pitt.edu').

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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: Handbook for Torture?
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rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis) writes:
> You might try the S&M Dyke's Guide to Safe Sex.  Who was it on this
> list who became a sudden fan of Pat Califia?

Are you referring to The Lesbian S/M Safety Manual, edited by
Pat Califia?  OK as an intro, but a bit dull for my taste.

Although it isn't restricted to S/M I think Susie Sexpert's
Lesbian Sex World, by Susie Bright, is more interesting.

These books don't contain the type of information I assume Karen
and her class are looking for.  I remember seeing ads for a book
supposedly written by the CIA for training Contras and whatnot
in Central America - the title might have been The Green Book
or something like that.  I haven't seen it, but I wouldn't be
surprised to find it had plenty of instructions for torture.

--karsten

(Perhaps I'll run across that ad again soon)
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:53:21 -0500
From:         Joan Boorstein <boorstein%umbsky.dnet@NS.UMB.EDU>
Subject:      RE: your problem or mine?
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>Is the list operating?
    Just logged on and reading in somewhat random order -- seems like very
few messages and there have been (still are?) logjams at UGA -- are we getting
messages posted yesterday?

>
>Is my system receiving it?
    Only you know the answer to that one --- just letting you know that your
message got here.

Joan
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Eggspots in the fridge
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>Current refrigerator has a removable tray

Mine too...except its more like a box that fits in one of the door shelves.
I have managed to store up to 16 eggs in it at any one time, but it is
currently sitting in a cupboard, since I decided that the shelf space could
be better utilized and the eggs maintain a more even temperature if kept in
the carton....safer too.

Carolyn
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Subject:      Re: Literacy Quiz
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Posted on 18 Nov 1992 at 18:57:59 by Rita Marie Rouvalis

>        This was forwarded to me by Nico from one of his mailing lists.

Sure was fun trying it with the answers all included like that :-(
But I suppose I'd better grump about something:

>7) A: Bill just has no effect.
>   B: Mary just has no affect.
>
>   Who feels more frustration, Bill or Mary?
>
>Depends on what frustrates them.  Bill can't show any results, and
>Mary can't impress anyone.

What does the answerer think the noun 'affect' means ?

Tony H.
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From:         "Alec D. Plotkin" <185422285%VUVAXCOM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Monday is one of my favorite days.

I may finally have a JOB. I will know later today.
Please send all good vibes toward me. I need all the help I can get.

later

alec
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:46:35 -0600
From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject: Re: FYFI
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On Sun, 22 Nov 1992, gilbertsmith wrote:

> My mama frequently dressed me as a <girl>.  Ohmygod.
> --ggs (who still loves earrings....)

Someone please explain it is with these mothers who dress their little
boys as girls! Not that I'm into the sex-stereotyle thang, understand, but
it just seems like they'd <take a clue>.

-abh
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From:         samant@CS.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: The truth about wakae must out!

>List Tush    you must learn to grep or quiet your gripe.

This is evading the issue. I don't have any archives to grep.
However, let this pass.

tushar
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