From: slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer)
Subject: Re: Fetal Heartbeat (Re: Supreme Court)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:47:01 GMT

Larry Margolis <margoli@watson.ibm.com> writes:

>In  <1992Jul25.054019.15284@rotag.mi.org>  kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul24.234126.4841@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.ibm.com writes:
>> >In  <BrwyvJ.BuM@news.cso.uiuc.edu>  slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellme
>> >
>> in LEGAL terms, "abortion" always means an intentional, deliberate act.
>> Since we discuss the legal and somewhat-related aspects of abortion here,
>> "induced" would be redundant in the newsgroup name.

>It would also be incorrect, since it would rule out other discussion which
>is appropriate for this group.  As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I
>agree that *generally* when we talk about abortion, we're referring to
>induced abortion.  However, it's important to remember that when many of
>the Fanatic Fundies refer to banning abortion, they're including banning
>the use of abortifacients - e.g., the birth control pill.  So although

Wow, *I* didn't know the birth control pill was an abortifacient.

And Larry, of course, is never WRONG.  Say, Larry, what color IS the
sky on your planet?  Better yet, which galaxy is it in?  

Just when I thought the 'choicer's couldn't say anything more stupid
than they already have, Larry comes to the rescue.

>you and I use "abortion" to refer to induced abortion, I think it useful
>to remember that others don't, and want to take away even more rights
>than it would seem.

Ah, I see.  You're off your lithium again, aren't you?

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>"We are totally opposed to abortion under any circumstances. We are also
>opposed to abortifacient drugs and chemicals like the Pill and IUD, and
>we are also opposed to all forms of birth control with the exception of
>natural family planning." -- Judie Brown, President, American Life League
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Note that Judie knows the difference between "abortifacient drugs" ,
"chemicals like the Pill" and the "IUD".   That's why she mentioned all 
three types of things she opposes, instead of lumping everything into
one category..

>"I don't think Christians should use birth control. You consummate your
>marriage as often as you like -- and if you have babies, you have babies ..."
>     -- Randall Terry, Executive Director, Operation Rescue
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>"Meanwhile, let it be clear what we do: we fight contraception-sterilization-
>abortion on six continents ... " -- Fr. Paul Marx, President, Human Life
>International
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------

>"For instance, several years ago we tracked down a twelve-year-old girl
>who was going to have an abortion, so that we could talk her out of it.
>Talking a woman out of having an abortion is not news. But tracking her
>down by using a private detective is."
>"For those who say I can't impose my morality on others, I say just watch
>me." -- Joseph Scheidler, Executive Director, Pro-Life Action League
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------

>"I don't think we should punish the criminal (a rapist) by killing his
>child." -- Dr. John Wilke, President, National Right to Life Committee
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>"It's very healthy for a young girl to be deterred from promiscuity by
>a fear of contracting a painful, incurable disease, cervical cancer,
>or sterility, or the likelihood of giving birth to a dead, blind, or
>brain-damaged baby (even ten years later when she may be happily
>married)." -- Phyllis Schlafly, President, Eagle Forum
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------

>"Resist, expose, or stop immediately every public school or group sex
>education program, no matter what it is called, or how it is diffused
>into the curriculum." -- Fr. Paul Marx, President, Human Life International
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>Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)

Steve Kellmeyer
Newsgroups: talk.abortion