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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Morphing in DRACULA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:15:16 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies

In article <1e8pr6INN9lm@agate.berkeley.edu>, peterme@ocf.berkeley.edu
(Peter Merholz) wrote:
> 
> Coppola keeps talking about how he eschewed post-production effects for
> in-camera effects to capture that "early cinema" feel... However, at the
> end, when Dracula turns back into Vlad (thanks to the light of the Lord)
> wasn't that a morphing effect? And if so, doesn't that throw out Coppola's
> claim of not using high-tech sfx? (If it wasn't a morphing effect, then it 
> was a series of dissolves, but the transformation seemed too smooth to these
> eyes...)

I can easily believe the effect was achieved without need of computers.
Indeed, even in a production which did *not* feel compelled to do
away with the ridiculous level of techno-gimmickery now common in
Hollywood, using a computer morphing program for that shot would have 
been overkill.  It was a stationary morph - a Mac could handle something 
like that.  The 'high-end' SGI morphomatics would have been bored silly...

(morphing, by the way, involves extrapolating intermediate images
between to end pictures.  Very basic 'morphing' was possible in 
early releases of the Adobe Illustrator graphics package, which would
allow transformations of shapes.  For example, you could turn a square
into a circle, and save all the steps in between (specifying the number
of steps)).
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.disney
From: ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Sean Alan Squier)
Subject: Re: ALADDIN INSIGHT
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:56:10 GMT

In article <Qf24jjO00WBO89fn8u@andrew.cmu.edu> "Jason S. Peltz" <jp4x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Proceed only if you've already seen it!!
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>Watching the opening scene of Aladdin,  I recognized William's voice as
>the peddlar.  Much of what he said involved things not being what they
>seemed.  He was trying to sell THE lamp.  At the end,  upon being freed,
> the genie leaves with the lamp,  not responsible to be anyone elses
>master,  but still possesing his powers.  I believe the peddlar at the
>beggining was not only Williams,  but it was aslo the genie,  he also
>had many of the facial features of the genie when doing impressions. 
>Anyone else agree?
>
>Jason
>jp4x

I noticed Williams' voice as the peddler in the beginning but didn't
think to check on the lamp at the end.  I have to admit that it seems
pretty believable, and dammit, I wish I'd though of it first.  =-)

so, I agree...the peddler could be Williams.  I'll ask some Disney
animators I know from last summer, they'll know for sure.


Sean Squier
(Future CEO - The Walt Disney Company)
ssquier@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner)
Subject: Us Italian movie MONDO CANE
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 10:05:01 GMT

I'm posting this for ANTH_LL@vax1.utulsa.edu who can't post. Please respond
with e-mail.
									M.H.



I'm trying to discover what happened to the Times Film Corp which released
in 1963 here in the US the Italian movie MONDO CANE.  I would like to
use a still from the movie in a book I've written, but have been
unable to locate the copyright holders.  The still itself says
Copyright 1963 by Times Film Coporation; but also "property of
National Screen Service Corp."  Many thanks for any help you can
give--Lamont Lindstrom, Professor of Anthropology, University of
Tulsa.  EMAIL:  ANTH_LL@vax1.utulsa.edu  OR  LLINDSTR@TULSA (bitnet)

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From: anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman)
Subject: Re: Extended versions on T.V.
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:05:14 GMT

In article <1e97k1INNmlf@eagle.natinst.com>, darrenl@natinst.com (Darren Lilie) writes:
|> In article <17517@mindlink.bc.ca> Charlie_Hutchins@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Hutchins) writes:
|> >This may seem a bit ambitious but I would like to know what movies
|> >(especially science fiction films) have appeared on television with extra
|> >footage. I know both Star Trek II and Aliens have been on t.v. with extra
|> 

TWO-MINUTE WARNING! This movie had a whole new plot when they showed it in on TV. At
the theater it was just about stadium security spotting a sniper hiding at the
top of the stadium, and their efforts to get him before he starts shooting. Then
this movie comes on TV and it's about a group of guys who want to pull off this
fabulous jewel heist of some of the biggest diamonds in the world. So they decide
they need a diversion, a really BIG diversion, so they convince this psychopath
(I think they told him they were the CIA) to go to a stadium and start shooting.
While he's shooting and everyone, including the police, is panicking, the theives
pull off the heist and try to make a getaway. Anyway, it was a new
movie on TV, except about half of it had appeared in the theaters, but not the
other half. Strange.
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From: vaughan@fe744.cc.purdue.edu (jake vaughan)
Subject: Re: Dracula - Francis Ford Coppola
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:48:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.174824.9672@athena.mit.edu> eprice@sybase.com writes:
>from SUSPIRIA) but still, it's becoming very annoying that it is
>impossible to see so many films the way they were intended to be in a
>theater, on the Big Screen (at least in the United States).
>Laserdiscs are ok but can't compare to the real thing.

Laserdiscs are 'OK`!?  Yes, it is true that nothing can compare with seeing a film on a big screen but the quality that your getting from watching a laserdisc 
far outweighs what your getting in most theatres.  Contrary to what most believe, most theatres don't have Surround sound.  Yes, they do have "multi-channel stereo," and the speakers _do_ surround you, but this is not surround sound.  Finally, the picture quality on a laserdisc is far better then anything that you willl see in a movie theatre.  Take it from me, I have done my homework and laserdisc quality surpasses anything I've ever seen.

Jake Vaughan
vaughan@feserve.cc.purdue.edu
vaughanj@sage.cc.purdue.edu
From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: "bram stoker's dracul
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:55:07 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

TL>is because they were expecting a real thriller.  With Anthony Hopkins and
TL>Martin Scorcese there is got to be excitement galore or at least a good scare
TL>in this flick.  It was neither scary (at least after the first half hour pass
TL>and the real story continues) nor thrilling to the extent that My friends nor

     Martin Scorsese didn't direct BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA; it was directed
     by Francis Ford Coppola.

     CAPE FEAR, by the way, was Scorsese's first attempt to do a genuine
     "scary" movie.  He specializes in character studies, and he has
     given us several superb films that are worth checking out, such as
     TAXI DRIVER, RAGING BULL, THE LAST WALTZ, THE LAST TEMPTATION OF
     CHRIST, and GOODFELLAS.
---
  SLMR 2.1a  if ((tiny) and (toony)) then allalittle(looney);
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA

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From: anna@psych.toronto.edu (Anna Filippone)
Subject: Re:  Dracula Sucked - NOT!
Organization: P.S.A. (Psychology Student's Association)
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:57:53 GMT


Saw it Friday.  A few comments:

1.  I must agree with some of the posters who were bothered by the inclusion
    of humour in the film.  I am referring particulartly to the scene where
    Van Helsing lops off Luci's head, and the next shot is one of a plate of
    roast beef being plopped down on a table.  I noticed that when the
    laughter in the theatre died down, the audience was quite restless.  Up
    until that point I was really immersed in the movie, but because of the
    change of mood, I was pulled right out.  I HATE when that happens.   

2.  I loooooved Gary Oldman as Dracula.  When I had first heard that Dracula
    was coming out, I had the idea that Daniel Day-Lewis would make an
    incredible Dracula, but I'm glad they went with Oldman.  A lot of people
    don't see him as very sexy but ever since I saw him in Rosencrantz &
    Guildenstern are Dead, I've been smitten.  And he's such a fantastic
    actor - very chameleon-like, just like Daniel Day-Lewis.

3.  Even with the less than satisfying parts, like problems with accents &
    the like, the movie was worth my $8 (and maybe even another 8) because
    of the sex.  That scene where Mina drinks Dracula's blood was incredibly
    sensual.  My friend sitting next to me in the movie theatre said I had
    this wonderfully fiendish smile on my face during that scene.  Lemme
    tell ya, Dracula did it a lot more for me than that boring little cute
    man, Keanu (though I think it was more his character that was unsatisfying
    rather than his acting ability).

Think I'll go see it again on Cheapie Tuesdays.  

 
-- 
				"The dead have highways.
Anna Filippone			 They run, unerring lines of ghost-trains, of
anna@psych.toronto.edu		 dream-carriages, across the wasteland behind
				 our lives..." - Clive Barker
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Subject: Re: spike lee &  boston celtics
From: gutierrez@mdcbbs.com
Date: 19 Nov 92 09:17:10 GMT
Organization: EDS Unigraphics, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: gutierrez

In article <1992Nov18.184529.9185@cs.ucla.edu>, reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:

> In article <1edgopINNebb@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes:
>>
>>	I'm inclined to say he's just a jerk.  
>>
>>I believe he said he would only talk to black reporters about Malcom X
>>(open-minded, eh?) 
>
>					Jay
>
 
> By the way, if people are skipping his films because they don't like
> Lee personally, you are missing some very good films.  Regardless of
> whether you agree with him, Lee is a talented filmmaker whose films 
> don't resemble anyone else's.  There is strong artistic merit in Lee's
> films, and those serious about film are making a mistake if they skip
> his films.
> > -- 
> 		Peter Reiher
> 		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu


   Mr. Reiher is ABSOLUTELY right!  As far as I'm concerned, Spike Lee
   is entitled to whatever he wants to say.  The last I heard, this is
   still a guaranteed right under the Constitution here in the U.S.A.

   I have no express opinion on Mr. Lee myself, so when I watched the
   movie, Malcolm X, I had an open mind.  Yes, you could feel Mr. Lee's
   "presence" in Malcolm X, but nonetheless, the movie was an excellent
   one; in fact one of the best movies I've seen for quite awhile.

   Definitely, if anybody "boycotts" this movie because of his/her pure
   dislike of Mr. Lee and his color, IMHO, he or she will have missed 
   not only a great movie experience, but also a chance to change or even
   rationalize  his/her present opinion on the race or harmony issue.

   Watch this movie......you'll be surprised!
From: klkarp@remus.rutgers.edu (karen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: TERMINATOR II
Keywords: get out
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:58:37 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	I was wondering if anyone could settle an argument I am having
with a friend.

	In Terminator I, Arnold says 'Get out' to the guy in the truck
(or something).

	Does he say 'Get out' to anyone in Terminator II?

	I know the bad terminator does, to the guy in the helicopter,
but, does Arnold ever say it??

thanks for any help!!

klkarp@remus.rutgers.edu
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From: kettyle@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (john.jr.kettyle)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Laser disc vs Theatre quality (was Re: Dracula - Francis Ford Coppola)
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:05:13 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: AT&T

From article <AGRAWAL.92Nov20132930@panarea.usc.edu>, by agrawal@panarea.usc.edu (Amitabh Agrawal):
> 
> In article <BxzBzo.8o5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> vaughan@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (jake vaughan) writes:
> 
>    In article <1992Nov19.181328.20755@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>    >>Finally, the picture
>    >> quality on a laserdisc is far better then anything that you willl see in a movie theatre.  Take it from me, I have done my homework and laserdisc quality surpasses anything I've ever seen.
>    >
>    >Then they must have piss-poor theaters in your area.  None of the laserdisk
>    >and big screen TV's I've seen demoed can compare with the picture quality of
>    >a half-decent theater.  And a lot of theaters around here are considerably
>    >better than half-decent.  The picture quality of the best theaters in LA
>    >make the best laserdisk player shown on the best TV look pitiful.  As far as 
>    >surround sound goes, I regard it as tertiary in importance, not even secondary.
>    >In addition to which, the best theaters in Los Angeles *do* have genuine
>    >surround sound.
> 
>       The fact _is_ that a laserdisc image scans 425 lines of resolution   
>    on a television screen (vcr is 250 for comparison) and a film at the    
>    theater is being projected from a small piece of film and being blown   
>    up to an enormous size creating a grainy picture at best.  Sure, I      
>    prefer a huge screen to a 40 inch television screen but I also prefer   
>    a sharper image.  An interesting fact about the sound at theaters is    
>    that the sound is recorded on the edge of the film and to read it they  
>    shine a light through this.                                             
> 
> [ Discussion of scan lines in TV LD and IMAX]
> [ I don't know whose comments are these ]
> 
> 	    Whatever light makes it through is transformed into sound.
> 	Compare this to the digital quality sound from a laserdisc and you get
> 	a low fidelity sound system.
> 
> Boy! you are missing out on life. You need to come to LA. Get a
> theatre / movie with both THX and Dolby Digital (is that the exact
> name?) and you will see what true movie magic is like. 
> 
> Amitabh Agrawal

I've had laserdiscs for a few years and can tell you that they do not
compare to the "big screen" of a theater. They are superior to regular TV
and regular VHS. Unfortunatly it doesn't come close to the picture quality or
resolution of 35mm film and I will not comment on how it compares to
70mm or IMAX or Showscan. 

You might want to ask these questions in rec.video as there are many "experts"
with all the facts at their fingertips. 

John
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From: hafner@ifi.unizh.ch (Michel Hafner)
Subject: Re: Joan of Arc gossip
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 12:39:38 GMT

In article <sf3g=k_00WB8FjpQQY@andrew.cmu.edu> Benjamin Rudd Schoenberg <bs26+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Who is Falconetti?  I would love to see a good version of the Joan of
>Arc story on film.  As much as I like Ingrid Bergman, the old (1951?)
>version doesn't quite do it for me.

Maria Falconetti is Dreyer's Joan of Arc in
"The Passion of Joan of Arc" (1928).
There is a new version due soon from Jacques Rivette with Sandrine Bonnaire
as Joan.
									M.H.
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From: ksjohnso@mathlab.mtu.edu(KRIS A. JOHNSON)
Subject: MC's Jurassic Park (possible SPOILER)
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:45:28 GMT

****************SPOILER ALERT!!***************



















I heard a nasty rumor that Speilberg(sp?) was going to make the  
velociraptors 20 feet tall.  Can anyone tell me if this is true.  If it  
is, I think it is going to take something away from Crichton's story.  In  
the book the velociraptors are only about 6 feet tall and are very  
intelligent (can open doors, etc.) Making them 20 feet tall is just like  
having a few more T. Rex's around.
Anybody know anything more on this?

KJ

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From: boisvert@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brian Richard Boisvert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Extended versions on T.V.
Date: 18 Nov 1992 20:02:11 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1e97k1INNmlf@eagle.natinst.com> darrenl@natinst.com (Darren Lilie) writes:
>In article <17517@mindlink.bc.ca> Charlie_Hutchins@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Hutchins) writes:
>>This may seem a bit ambitious but I would like to know what movies
>>(especially science fiction films) have appeared on television with extra
>>footage. I know both Star Trek II and Aliens have been on t.v. with extra
>
>The first Superman movie had extra footage when he was going to Lex Luthor's
>hideout he walked thru fire and other obstacles to get to Lex which was not
>shown in the movie.

	I have seen the first 3 Superman movies on television with extra
footage.  Quite a bit actually.  I'm not sure about the 4th one, but the others
had at least 10 minutes each added to them.


-- 
Brian R. Boisvert    Worcester Polytechnic Institute    boisvert@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: Terri Buchman <buchman@osf.org>
Subject: Re: spike lee &  boston celtics
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A72FB011A201080F@alimac5.osf.org>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 18 Nov 92 08:32:17 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:31:49 GMT

In article <1ed5rlINN8br@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> John O'Neil -
SunExpress IR, joneil@heretix.East.Sun.COM writes:
>i have never seen any spike lee movies, but i understand 
>he has a problem with larry bird and the celtics. i read a 
>interview where he states he hopes the red sox and the 
>celtics never will another game.  does anyone know any 
>more info on this, just what is this guy's problem.

I'm not Spike Lee but I'll give you the answers to this that have
run in the papers.  Spike Lee objected to the media coverage of
Larry Bird that seemed to suggest that he was the great white hope
of basketball.  Spike felt that Bird got more publicity because he
was white in a sport that was 80% + black.  Lee felt that the media
emphasized Bird and the Celtics to the exclusion of other, perhaps
better, teams because of Bird's color.   Spike had some comments
published in the local papers when he was giving a seminar at
Harvard this year that indicated that part of his animosity is real
and based on what I have written.  Some of it is not so serious
though.  Spike is a New York fan and likes to taunt the Boston fans.
 All the Celtic fans that I know conceed that Spike has a point
about the treatment of Bird and really aren't that upset about the
comments.

The problem with the Red Sox is a problem of perception and action. 
The Red Sox are one of the 'whitest' teams in baseball.  Last year
the team had only 2 or 3 black players in a sport where blacks
represent 40%+ of the players.  The Sox were the last major league
team to integrate (1962, I think) and they have not gone out of
their way to make black fans feel welcome in chummy little Fenway.  
A lot of black fans nationwide perceive the Red Sox as arrogant and
unwilling to change.  To be fair, the Red Sox have instituted some
programs that promise change.  One of their vp's, Ellen Weddington,
is a black woman and they have promised to involve more blacks in
managerial and power position throughout their organization.  But
the organization still has a long way to go.  They have been sued
within the last ten years for racial discrimination and lost, they
had a needless controversy arise in spring training when it was
found that white athletes were patronizing a bar (Elks lodge or
something) that didn't allow black patrons in.  Spike has a point. 
The Red Sox need to change.

TerriB.
(A major Red Sox fan, but I'm not blind.)
From: margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Dracula (Spolier?)
Summary: romance? where?
Keywords: minor spoilers
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:35:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.151525.27922@hellgate.utah.edu>, ych@cs.utah.edu (Yuan Hsieh) writes:

this part was from my earlier posting-

> >either.  I like scarey horror movies, I like vampire and werewolf movies
> >or books.  This was really quite a let down.

I like romantic movies, and yes, I read an occasional romance story.  So
I can say with all honesty, what romance in Dracula?  I didn't see any.
Being raped or molested by a beast?  The wooden relationship between Mina
and Jonathan?  I'm sorry, I didn't see any romance between Drac and Mina
either.  You want a romantic Drac and Mina story, see Frank Langella's
Dracula.  Much much much better.

> A number of people have complained about Dracula.  I think part of the 
> problems is that they were expecting a horror story, but what they failed 
> to realize is that Dracula is actually a LOVE STORY.  Removing all the vampire

Dracula is a horror and a love story, and adventure...  I didn't forget
any of this.  I am still disappointed.
> Now personally, I can't stomach romance story either, however, 
> the visuals of the movie just blow me away.  For me, it's like 
> watching a Greenaway movie, I might not get into the story, but I am still 
> glued to my seat, grinning like an idiot, absorbing every detail of every 
> scene.
> 
> Bottomline: If you like to see pretty pictures or romance novels, 
> 	    go see this movie.
> 
> -Y'

Pretty pictures, yes.  There were some scenes that I enjoyed just because
of the way it was filmed.  Romance?  No, I wouldn't bother seeing this
version of Dracula.  As I said above, Frank Langella's Dracula was romantic,
and left you feeling sympathetic towards him.  I couldn't believe I got
stuck for $24 to see this movie -yeah, I paid for everyone.

I was in to the story, trying to see what new twists there might be.  Nothing
of interest, nothing that glued me to my seat.  It's funny, sometimes. You
and others go to a movie, come out, and start discussing it, and it's like,
did we really see the same movie??  Maybe I did miss something, but I'm
not going to suffer through it again.

margaret
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From: mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)
Subject: Re: What happened with RoboCop 3?
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:48:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.140928.10580@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> hatcher@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Donald L.C. Blewett) writes:
>
>  I seem to remember a while ago that Orion pictures was making RoboCop 3.
>I also remember hearing that Peter Weller didn't want to do the part, so
>they had to recast.  I do remember seeing some preliminary footage on 
>Entertainment Tonight, where they said that R3 would be out sometime this year.
>Well, as you all know, Orion had some financial troubles (let's face it, they
>went bankrupt.) And, I have not heard anything about R3 since. (Well, I did
>see an add for a Nintendo game based on R3).  Does anyone know when R3 will
>be released?  A better question, perhaps, would be, did the movie get finished? 
R3 is finished and sitting on a shelf at Orion.  There has been some
restructuring that will allow them to release several of their
completed movies over a period of time, but I don't know if a 
specific date has been assigned to R3 yet.

And you're right, Peter Weller isn't in it.  They hired a mime whose
name I can't seem to remember.  I believe Nancy Allen does return though.


--
====
Ed McCreary                                               ,__o
mccreary@sword.eng.hou.compaq.com                       _-\_<,
"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."  (*)/'(*)
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