From: hillyard@msc.cornell.edu
Subject: Re: RHETORIC VS. REALITY -- THE FIRST DEBATE
Originator: hillyard@tiger.msc.cornell.edu
Reply-To: hillyard@msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 00:37:25 GMT

From article <1992Oct12.232003.17680@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, by mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao):
> In article <1992Oct12.210232.27262@msc.cornell.edu> hillyard@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Sean Edward Hillyard,F7 Clark,50649,) writes:
>>From article <1992Oct12.201231.13585@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, by mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Min Zhao):
[...]
>>> 
>>>   No son, you don't do your "demonstrating" where no one will see. You do
>>> things like masturbating where no one will see.   *-)
>>>   
>>>   Frankly, I don't understand it either why one can not demonstrate in 
>>> England when in England. Do you suggest that to be correct one has to 
>>> come back to US to demonstrate here first then go there to demonstrate ?
>>> Well, at least you are a little less rigid than the Bush campaign's 
>>> understanding of the consititution. Thanks for giving us that revised 
>>> freedom of speech . I hope you don't too much more of Bush's idea later.
>                                       GET 
>>> 
>>
>>Okay pops.  Just tell me where I said anything about what should be
>>legal.  And while you're at it, explain what the hell your last sentence
>>means.
>  
>   Okay son, where did I ask you about what is legal ? :-) 

Perhaps saying that my understanding of the constitution is that it is not
correct to demonstrate overseas.  The constitution is the law of the land,
so if thats my belief, my belief is that it is illegal.  You didn't ask,
you stated.

>   You have learned too much from the Bush Campaign. They start some smear
> or innuendo, and then say, "we didn't say that".
>   So, SEH, did you say the following ?
> 
>>>>Did he participate in any demonstrations in the US?  If not, its somewhat
>>>>like smiling to someones face, but talking behind their back.  
>>>>
>>>>'I'll do my demonstrating over hear in England where no one will see, and it 
>>>>won't damage my political viabiltity.'
>>>>
>>>>SEH

Lets see.  He lived in the US for many years and had ample oppurtunity to 
demonstate.  If he hadn't (someone said he had. fine, thats why I asked the
question) then it is just another case of old slick protecting his 'political
viability'.

Actually, I wouldn't particularly care, it just shows he's wanted to be
president forever.  This is the type of thing that bothers me more.  About
the Iraq war, 'I probably would have voted with the majority, but I agreed
with the arguments of the minority'.  Or the fact that I read his opinion
on NAFTA and still wasn't clear on whether he was going to sign it or not.

He just seems too wishy-washy and eager to please, and
its a bad omen for the first Democratic president in twelve years.  How is he
going to stop the Democrats favorite pork projects that have been sitting 
on the shelf for 12 years just waiting for Democrate to pass them?  All 
in the name of 'infrastructure' or 'putting people first', of course.  
You think the debt is bad now, I'm getting extremely bad vibes from Clinton 
in that area.

By the way, I'm undecided as of now.

SEH
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