HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: rc.local problem: SUMMARY
Date: 14 Oct 92 16:32:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Oct14.163241.27485
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

Recently I posted about having a problem with my commands not working
in rc.local, although my 'fbshow' commands came up ok.  My main problem
was with getting a screensaver going from boot.  I was using somethign
called 'newscreensaver' that let you pick a screen (some logos, and
'justblack' among others).

I ended up getting the PD adim program from the net.  It works nicely,
and blacks out the screen more quietly than 'newscreensaver'.
newscreensaver used to whir the disk (presumably to load up the screen
image, whether it was jutblack, or some logo), and also flash the screen
at full intensity before going black (don't know why).  The rc.local
that runs adim, and also turns off your printer at boot time is below, 
courtesy of <hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu> (hope he doesn't mind me
putting it up here).  I've changed it a little to include some fbshow
things so that your non-verbose boot up will look pretty.

Note that the solution may still cause you one minor problem (I haven't
tested it yet, but you should be aware of it under 3.0 - I didn't have
the problem under 2.0): when you nppower off the printer at boot
time, it becomes Unavailable under PrintManager's Printer app.  So
when you try to print for the first time after boot up, you may find
that no printer can be selected from the Print screen.  You'll have
to then run PrintManager and make the printer Private.

Thanks to all who replied!!
-Andrew.
----------------------------------------------------------------
#!/bin/sh -u
#
# This script is for augmenting the standard system startup commands. It is
# executed automatically by the system during boot up.
#
# Copyright (C) 1992 by NeXT Computer, Inc.  All rights reserved.
#
# As released orm, this script does nothing. You may customize
# it as you wish.
#

fbshow -A -B -E -I "Starting*Local*Services..."

# Read in configuration information
. /etc/hostconfig

(echo -n 'local daemons:')                              >/dev/console

#
# Run your own commands here

fbshow -A -B -E -I "Disabling*Printer..."
if [ -f /usr/etc/nppower ]; then
        sleep 5
        /usr/etc/nppower off
        (echo -n 'powering off NeXTprinter')            >/dev/console
fi

fbshow -A -B -E -I "Launching*Screensaver..."
/usr/local/bin/adim -b0 -t300 -s60 &

(echo '.')                                              >/dev/console
----------------------------------------------------------------------
-- 
--   Andrew Duchowski
--   Texas A&M University
--   andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (non-NeXT mail)
--   andrewd@visual2.cs.tamu.edu (NeXT mail)                   
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: wisdom@geom.umn.edu
Subject: New 3D Software Demos?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:42:34 GMT


Does anyone know when demos for 3D modeling software will be posted? I know  
about Perspective, but what about 3DReality from Stone Design - will a demo of  
that ever make it to an archive site? There was supposed to be a demo of an app  
called Teserect downloaded (early this month?), but I haven't seen that yet. It  
may be a bit early given that so many people (and developers) are still waiting  
for 3.0, but does anyone know anything about this stuff??

-Scott Wisdom
wisdom@geom.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: verket@venice.sedd.trw.com (Paul Verket)
Subject: Re: News Readers for NS 3.0 and other bitches
Organization: TRW Systems Engineering & Development Division, Carson, CA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 17:18:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.111358.19692@prodigy.bc.ca> jchin@prodigy.bc.ca (Joe  
Chin) writes:
> But then I found out neither Newsbase 2.1.1 nor
> NewsGrazer will work! Both readers will start up and
> select the groups just fine, but the application will
> disappear from the screen the moment I select an article
> for reading. So, I have resorted to reading news on a Sun
> Sparcstation sitting beside the NeXT. Does anyone know a
> NeXTstep nntp newsreader that will work under 3.0? 
> 
I'm using NewsGrazer 72.0 in nntp mode under 3.0 with no problems. Can you be  
more specific?

> While I am at it, the more I use 3.0, the more I get pissed off! 

I can tell... it sure makes it hard to help though. I've used 3.0 (lightly) for  
a couple of weeks without any serious problems.

> Why isn't the user manual included on my 3.0 CD-ROM? 
> 
I wish it was too. I want every doc electronic; there are few that I want in  
paper.

Paul Verket (NeXTmail ok)
From: lwake@runcible.West.Sun.COM (Larry Wake)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Performance comparison with SUN
Keywords: Apples oranges
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:52:19 GMT
Reply-To: lwake@runcible.West.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, San Diego, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: runcible.west.sun.com

In article 23553@tamsun.tamu.edu, curtis@accnxt1.tamu.edu (Curtis Johnson) writes:
>The Sparc 10 is a much more powerful machine, but the power/$cost ratio is  
>far too high.  For the most powerful Sparc 10, you could easily pay over  
>$120,000 (based on articles in unixworld).  Also sys admin time is also a  
>ratio that is too high.  If this poor misguided faculty person can deal  
>with an average speed machine, 25mips I believe, then I would go with the  
>$10,000 NeXT as opposed to the $100,000 Sparc 10.
>Just my $0.02.

I wasn't going to post on this thread, but we need to take a second for a
reality check.  The highest list price for a SPARCstation 10 is the
model 54 GX at $58,000 -- that's for a four CPU machine (58.1 SPECint
92, 71.4 SPECfp 92 per CPU) with 64 MB of memory, 1.0 GB internal disk
and a 19" color display.  (This machine is not due to ship until
sometime in '93, btw.)  Note that this is slightly off the performance
curve of most NeXT machines currently shipping.  Since you can put up
to 512 MB of memory and 41 GB of disk on any SPARC 10, it's no trick to
put together a system that costs well over $100K, but this isn't
exactly your average single-user configuration.

The currently shipping SPARCstation 10 model 30 GX with 32 MB of
memory, 424 MB internal disk, and 19" color display lists at $20,495.
Universities typically get significant discounts off of list.  The
SPECmarks for this system are 44.2 SPECint 92, 52.9 SPECFp 92.  (Note
that you should only compare SPEC 92 numbers to other SPEC 92 numbers,
and not SPEC 89 numbers; SPEC 92 is a newer, putatively more fair, suite
of benchmarks.)

I'm not up on the performance specs of the current NeXT line, so I'll
leave comparisons to those who are.  Ease of use issues are also
another topic; there are certainly pros and cons for both platforms (he
said diplomatically).

--
Larry Wake, Sun Microsystems San Diego field office
(larry.wake@west.sun.com)
Friend or foe, there's only us.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com (Ron Pomeroy x(Coop))
Subject: Re: Wanted: Systems Engineer, NeXT Computer, Inc (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
Reply-To: rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 19:16:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.151128.6813@gamelan> thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas  
Funke) writes:
>>In article <5350@rosie.NeXT.COM> Conrad_Geiger@NeXT.com (Conrad Geiger -  
>>Manager, International NeXT User Groups) writes:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Relevant Experience:
>>> 
>>> - Advanced application programming in C, LISP, and FORTRAN (or
>>>      equivalent)
>>
>>What is equivalent to FORTRAN ???? :-)

Getting sick :-)

--
Ronald Pomeroy		[Objective-Cruntime: [Smalltalk runtime]];
Advanced Micro Devices	[self dream-on];
CAM Applications Group
rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com (NeXTmail preferred)
From: beatty@sqhilton.pc.cs.cmu.edu (Derek Beatty)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: mouseless no more
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:47:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BvyMBB.Ivn.2
Reply-To: beatty+@cs.cmu.edu
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: beatty@sqhilton.pc.cs.cmu.edu

Thanks to Hardy, who suggested
	NeXT1 MouseButtonsTied no
	NeXT1 MouseClick 2
	NeXT1 MouseHandedness Left

That's exactly the information I was looking for.

 -- Derek
-- 
Derek_Beatty@cmu.edu   ABD   Comp Sci, CMU, 5000 Forbes, Pgh, PA 15213 USA
From: JGrace@TetraSoft.com (Joseph R. Grace)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: _nextstep_ television show!
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:46:08 GMT
Organization: TetraSoft International

In article <1b1lroINN67l@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)  
writes:
>  
>  True, no trademark problems.  But maybe NeXT should advertise during this
>  show ...
>  
>  mark

Actually, if it's a technical show, I would say the matter is a little gray.   
It's really a matter of how accommodating NeXT is.  A lawyer might argue the  
show dilutes the NeXTSTEP trademark, especially since it's a technical subject  
which could relate directly to NeXT.

Ideally, NeXT would ask them to change the name, and they would agree.   
Non-ideally, a lawsuit would settle things at great expense (to all but  
lawyers) --- or --- NeXT just allows their trademark to be diluted:  a choice  
between the better of 2 "evil"s.

BTW, I'm no lawyer.  Also, FYI, NOLO has a good, couple-month-new book on  
Trademark law, "Trademark: How to Name a Business & Product".

= Joe =
-- 
Joe Grace <JGrace@TetraSoft.com> (NeXTMail preferred.)
TetraSoft International   Business and Personal Productivity Tools for NeXTSTEP
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: The New Browser
From: feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke)
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:58:16 -0700
Reply-To: sean@digaudio.byu.edu

I like the concept behind the new browser (removing the vertical buttons  
in favor of a scrollbar...see your 3.0 Open Panel for an example), but  
something about it just didn't sit right with me.  Then it hit me:

You can move the scrollbar and nothing will happen.

It seems the browser reacts by snapping to the nearest place to which you  
dragged the scrollbar.  But that just doesn't feel...I dunno...*NeXTSTEP*.   
In NeXTSTEP, when you drag a scrollbar, something happens--a window  
scrolls, or a value changes, or whatnot.  But the browser doesn't do  
realtime changes...it's weird.  I think NeXT should go back to the  
original way, or use some other widget to control moving around in their  
browsers--it doesn't feel consistent.

--

Sean Luke
Brigham Young University                   MILK:  It Comes From Cows
sean@digaudio.byu.edu  
NeXTmail and nifty Mac stuff welcome
From: deepthought!redbaron!aaronh@ms.uky.edu (Aaron David Herskowitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Class A (was Considering getting an SGI indigo)
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:21:18 GMT
Reply-To: deepthought!redbaron!aaronh@ms.uky.edu
Organization: Case Western Reserve University NeXT Users Group, Cleveland, Ohio

In article <1992Oct5.040940.17274@csus.edu> eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P.  
Scott) writes:
> Read the regs--they're not about *TV* interference.  They're
> about *RF* interference, with specific limits in various
> frequency ranges.  If a device radiates next to nothing in TV
> bands but pollutes like crazy above or below, it can't be
> certified Class B.

So, does anyone know exactly what a NeXT would "interfere" with?  And what  
type of strength/range are we talking about?  

Aaron
-- 
-  Aaron  Herskowitz    -    aherskow@alleg.edu     -    NeXTmail welcomed  -
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andrew@cubetech.com
Subject: KperfMon 1.1 on Archives
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:16:37 GMT


Due to popular demand, I've put KPerfMon 1.1 on sonata.cc.purdue.edu.
1.1 is just like 1.0 (I am not the author of 1.0) except that it has
been modified in the following ways:

	1) I kindof fixed a bug which caused KPerfMon to crash.
	2) It compiles under 3.0 (only under 3.0)...
	3) Modified the main to have finer control over poll times.

If you need a binary version of it (the one on Sonata is not
compiled), let me know and I'll put one up...


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com     | "We shall not cease from exploration
Andrew Loewenstern      |  And the end of our exploring
Cube Technologies, Inc. |  Will be to arrive where we started
                        |  And know the place for the first time." -T.S. Eliot
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca (Adrian Smith)
Subject: Re: TalkBack 1.0
Reply-To: adrian@niagara.ucs.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:15:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.213627.12261@Princeton.EDU> serge@princeton.EDU  
(Serge J. Goldstein) writes:
> I just installed this and tried it out.  It sounds like a wonderful  
program.   
> Unfortunately, it requires that you turn on "public window server". The  
> security implications of doing this are serious enough that they will  
disuade  
> most people from using the demo.
>   
> When will NeXT realize how important it is to implement some security  
and  
> control over the display manager (at least at the level of X's xhost  
program)? 
> There are so many instances where I wanted to run apps on machine X, and  
> display the output on machine Y, and I simply couldn't do it because I  
didn't  
> want to open up my machine to the entire internet.
> 
> Serge J. Goldstein

The new version of TalkBack (written exclusively for 3.0) eliminates this  
need. We decided to release the 2.1 version free, with any necessary  
changes for 3.0. Unfortunately, Speaker/Listener behaviour has changed  
under 3.0 to the extent that it became necessary to have Public Window  
Server turned on. The new version will fix this entirely.

--
Adrian Smith
NightShade Software
Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:20666 comp.sys.next.programmer:6544 comp.sys.next.advocacy:2589
From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer,comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: DBConnect and NXFax (was Re: DBConnect for Ingres)
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:25:22 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada


A simple request:

If you are making objects, then PLEASE do not use NeXT prefixes!

People use prefixes to distinguish their objects and kits,
and the prefix should have something to do with that.

Since NXFax does not come from NeXT, NXFax is pretty confusing,
SINCE EVERY OTHER new NeXT object has an NX prefix.

As well, DBConnect is NOT part of the DBKit, so prefixing with
DB is confusing as well.

Please, keep your prefixes UNIQUE.

- db

followup to c.s.n.advocacy
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: John Perry Barlow <barlow@eff.org>
Subject: Re: Fax and 3.0--More Trouble!
Reply-To: John Perry Barlow <barlow@icecube.pinedale.wy.us>
Organization: Annuit Coeptis
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 00:06:30 GMT

I finally fixed it. 

Damned if I know how I did it. I re-installed the DoveFax drivers, created a  
new fax device, and essentially dinked with all the possibilities. 

And now it works. Many thanks to all those who e-mailed suggestions. None of  
them actually turned out to be the problem, but I learned a lot in the process  
of trying them out.

-- 
************************************************
John Perry Barlow	barlow@eff.org
P.O. Box 1009		NeXTmail to:
168 South Franklin	barlow@icecube.pinedale.wy.us
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Built-In 3.0 Drivers for Non-PS Printers??
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:02:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.152314.5131@heinz.in-berlin.de> federico@heinz.in-berlin.de (Federico Heinz) writes:

[ ]
>
>> Can I, with a little work, make a color version for my DeskJet
>> 500C, and not purchase Dots Color (which costs about as much as the
>> printer itself)?
>
>You must get those DJ 500Cs for dirt cheap! Please, please tell me where you  
>are buying them, I could make a fortune selling them at $400 for a 100%  
>profit! :-)

Well, Dots is a bit on the high priced side and DJ500C's have now been 
superceded by the DJ550 C's which have all 4 colours in there (2 cartridges)
and print way faster. These will be widely available November 1. It would
be, I suspect, a mistake for most people to select a 500 over a 550.
 
The 500C dropped in priced by almost $300. Given that Dots does not support
the 550C, perhaps the publisher should consider dropping the price!
 
[ ]

Philip
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: 3.0 Turbo Color hangs on power off
Date: 10 Oct 1992 22:40:39 GMT
Organization: Cubic Solutions - NeXT software development and consulting
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu
Summary: Second power off shuts down system dirty so fsck must be run on reboot



I've run out of ideas on this problem, although I don't have physical access to
the machine so I've had to troubleshoot over the phone.

Under PR2, everything worked normally.  For the first 3 power offs after the
upgrade to 3.0 (done with the Upgrade app in automatic mode), everything was
normal.  But now almost all (but not quite 100%) of power offs stop with a
blank screen whether from the Login Panel or from within Workspace (power off
without logging off first).  I know of no changes that occurred just before the
problem started, although something certainly must have changed.  I've not had
a chance to get a report of /usr/adm/messages (the machine is currently
travelling around the East Coast giving app demos).

A second press of the power off button does shut down the system, but without a
sync, so that must be near where the problem occurs.  But I don't know what the
shutdown process is using the power off button.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
-- 

Art Isbell                                                      Cubic Solutions
NeXT Registered Developer #745         NeXT software development and consulting
Email: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU                                Voice: (408)335-1154
USmail: 95018-9442                                           Fax: (408)335-2515
From: kgnome@cs.concordia.ca (MATIS stephane)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Printing trouble in Executor under 3.0
Keywords: Peace and Quiet : -)
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:11:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec


I have a troublesome problem with Executor running Word 5.0a under
NeXTSTEP 3.0. 

You know how frustrating is to print everything in "mirror" image ? No,
let me tell you *ARGHHHH*. Ok, not that's out of the way ... is there a
fix, is this a known bug ? When is 1.2.? Executor Coming ?

Clifford ?

(P.S. I'll E-Mail this to them as well!)

BTW The postscript file, when viewed by Preview looks fine ... I mean
right way.... when printed ... it's mirrored. Go figure!

+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
 From     : Stephane I. Matis                "It Just Works..." 
 Internet : kgnome@cs.concordia.ca             - Steve Paul Jobs, CEO NeXT
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: Alex Raftis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: right now
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:45:42 GMT
Reply-To: alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo

Edmund Ronald writes
> If I understand rightly there is no word processor bundled anymore on the
> NeXT. This is a giant step backwards. It means that troff and nroff once
> again become the de facto lingua franca, although no one knows how to use
> them anymore :-)
> Who's gonna do a freeware hack? 
> 
> Edmund.

There is still Edit. Admittedly, it's far from full fleged, but considering  
that you can now edit rtfd documents in it, it's a bit more robust than under  
2.0.

Alex
--
______________________________________________________
    Internet: alex@data.acs.calpoly.edu (NeXT mail)
              alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: Neil Greene <deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu>
Subject: Re: Fax and 3.0--More Trouble!
Reply-To: Neil Greene <deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu>
Organization: ARCI, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:17:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.072052.305@icecube.pinedale.wy.us> John Perry Barlow  
<barlow@eff.org> writes:
> Things are not getting better here, folks. In the course of trying to  
fix my  
> previous inability to get a message regarding incoming faxes, I have  
changed  
> something with te following results:
> 
> 1. When I start FaxReader, I get a message saying that I don't have  
permission  
> to access DoveFax modem. 
> 
> 2. All my previous faxes have disappeared from  
usr/spool/NextFaxes/DoveFax.
> 
> Does anyone know where one might get any documentation on FaxReader 3.0  
or, for  
> that matter, NextPrinter 3.0. 
> 
> This is really irritating.

3.0 has changed the handling of faxes somewhat and I have to admit that I  
like it a little better.  It is a step in the right direction.  

Run PrinterManager as root and select fax modems to properly configure fax  
modem access, users, archiving of faxes and date restrictions for  
archiving and saving.

--
Neil Greene
President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc.
deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu [NeXTMail]
-- 
Neil Greene
President, Kentucky NeXT User Group, Inc.
deepthought!neil@ms.uky.edu [NeXTMail]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler)
Subject: Re: OD under 3.0
Reply-To: jjfeiler@relief.com
Organization: relief consulting
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:46:37 GMT

In article <1asp4oINNnjl@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)  
writes:
> 
> Volker Herminghaus-Shirai believes the documentation and says:
> 
> >> The Disk->* Workspace menu is greyed out when the active file viewer  
window
> >> does not display a directory on a removable media. Click on the  
appropriate
> >> icon in the file viewer to display a (e.g. the root) directory of the
> >> OD or Floppy disk. Then the Disk->Eject menu item should be selectable.
> 
> That's the way it's supposed to work.  However, there are two bug symptoms
> that violate that in both directions.  First, depending on what my auto-
> launched applications are (seriously!), Workspace leaves the Disk menu
> grayed out when a removable media is selected, whether it is the OD, CD,
> or floppy.  Removing Librarian from my dock fixed this.  (Other  
combinations
> of removed apps worked also.)
> 
> The other problem is that when my dock is set up to prevent the above bug,
> then if I have three removable media in there at the same time (OD, CD, and
> floppy), and I have selected my root hard drive in Workspace, then the
> Disk menu *is* lit, and cmd-e will eject one of the three media.  I do not
> know how to predict which one--it does not seem to depend on the order in
> which they were mounted.
> 
> I have sent this to bug_next.

Another way to trigger this bug is to autolaunch Engage!  Unfortunately, that  
exactly what most people would want to do with it.  =-(

> 
> Mark Adler
> madler@cco.caltech.edu