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From: blumb@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Ender Wiggin)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: Guidance - rc aircraft pains
Summary: hehehehe
Keywords: Fun things to do with models
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:06:20 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <19921005112939.Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu> Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu writes:
>In Article <1992Oct5.135918.527@HQ.Ileaf.COM> "hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)" says:
>> What you really need is not a tracking rocket, but a good 12-guage skeet gun.`
>Maybe you could convert one into a scale AA.  There was a good article
>in Fine Scale Modeler about a year ago on building a twin quad turret.
>A pair of 12 or 16 guage shot guns should work well for the guns.  Of
>course their plans would have to be scaled up - I think they were 1:35.
>   
>If the plane is a WWII vintage, you might get extra mission points for
>realism.

Yes, let's have a full diorama!
Little tiny motorized jeeps scrambling around...motorized launch pads...
(sorry, getting carried away....)

-- 
Bill Blum, blumb@sage.cc.purdue.edu, wblum@en.ecn.purdue.edu, turk182@delphi.com
"Let me get this straight.  You have an ANSI C compiler for your 8bit, 1 mhz,
 64K RAM Commodore 64?  WHY? WHY?!!?!?!?!"-- Fellow member, Purdue Daemons
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: NARAM SUMMARY????
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:41:02 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Sep29.164831.9264@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> : (on many reloads, you
> : have to insert the nozzle over the tail of the igniter, because the
> : head won't fit through).
> 
> If that is a problem, then I would manufacture my own igniters - unless
> it is prohibited by NAR rules. I prefer using thermalite - it seems to
> be more reliable than Copperheads, which are better than Estes and similar
> igniters.

I'm not sure how manufacturing your own igniters addresses the topic of
reload authentication at check-in.  You're certainly not suggesting that
all competitors be forced to manufacture their own igniters.

In fact, thermalite will also not fit through the nozzles of many of these
reload kids.  Frankly, some of these nozzles are so small that the tails of
the Copperheads have to be CREASED the long way even to fit them through 
tail first!

In any event, the manufacturer does not recommend the use of any igniters
other than Copperheads in these engines.  Thermalite, for example, will
constipate the nozzle and cause a cato.  So yes, it is against NAR rules
if the manufacturer says not to do it.
-- 

cdt@pdp.sw.stratus.com      --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...
From: jws@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Stephenson <jstephenson>)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: *OCTOBERFEST DATE/LOCATION CHANGE*
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:55:15 GMT
Reply-To: jws@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Stephenson <jstephenson>)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Northrop Research & Technology Center, Palos Verdes, CA

*** Date and location change of the Octoberfest Launch  ***

 Jay Orr prefect of the Los Angeles chapter of Tripoly 
 (A.K.A. Lucerne test range) has ask me to circulate
 this information.

 The date and location for Octoberfest has been changed.
 The new date is october 10-11, the new location is
 Koehn dry lake. This dry lake is 20 miles northeast
 of the city of Mojave.

  Directions:
 Drive northeast from Mojave on highway 14 19.6 miles.
 Turn right (east) on Rogers Rd. drive .8 mile.
 Turn right (south) on Neuralia Rd. drive 1 mile.
 Turn left (east) on Munsey Rd. drive 4 miles.
 At this point the pavement ends, continue on this
 dirt road 5.5 miles to the lake entrance.
 Signs will provide directions between the end of 
 pavement and the launch site.
                    (highway 14)
                        /
                       /                       |------------------|
                      /----+ (Rogers Rd.)      |  Koehn dry lake  |
                     /     |                   |------------------|
                    /      | (Neuralia Rd.)           ---/
                   /       |                      ---/
                  /        +--------------------/
                 /             (Munsey Rd.)    /\
                /                             /||\ 
       Mojave <>                               ||
                                               || pavement ends here


Launch fee change:
The launch fee has been increased from $5.00 per event to $5.00 per day.
No fee for spectitorsors
This fee increase is necessary to cover increasing costs, and was the
subject of much discussion.

Tracking :
There will be a tracking window each day the exact time will be
announced each day.
TRACKING FORMS MUST BE FILLED OUT EARLY.
Fill out the forms as soon as you know what you will be launching.
To eliminate frivolous tracks there will be a track fee of $3.00.

Miscellanous :
Altitude waver is to 15.600 agl
This is B.L.M. land so there must be no littering 
NO FIREWORKS!
A reporter from the L.A. Times may be Present so act accordingly

 Further questions send S.A.S.E. to 
 Jay Orr
 12825 Poppy Court
 Yucaipa Ca. 92399
   or call Jay before 8:00pm at
   (714)795-1608  (voice only) 



 jstephenson@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com
From: wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: parachute 101
Date: 29 Sep 92 10:13:32 GMT
Organization: Carleton University

In <6802@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:

>In article <28SEP199209401461@vx.cis.umn.edu>, soc1070 writes:
>> In article <1992Sep28.045902.10967@cs.umb.edu>, mrubin@ra.cs.umb.edu (Mark Rubin) writes...
>> >Here's a stupid diagram of the way it tells ya:
>> > 
>> >		1          2
>> >	       ______________
>> >	      /	x	   x \
>> >	     /		      \
>> >	 3  / x		     x \ 4
>> >	    \		       /
>> >	     \  x	   x  /
>> >	   5  \______________/  6
>> > 
>> > 
>> >Connect:  1 -> 2
>> >	  3 -> 5
>> >	  4 -> 6
>> > 
>> >Would it be better to connect them like this?
>> > 
>> >	1 -> 2
>> >	3 -> 4
>> >	5 -> 6
>> > 
>> >Making 3 -> 4 a little longer than the others (haven't worked out the
>> >exact measurements yet).
>> 
>> Unless this is a weird manufacturer, the 'chute should be a perfect
>> hexigon. If the chute is any regular, even sided polygon (4,6,8,10
>> sides) all the lines will work out to be the same length.

>No, read what he's saying.  If two of the loops span only hexagon
>EDGES, while the third loop spans its DIAMETER, the third loop will
>obviously be shortchanged when it comes time to meet at the screw-eye.
>So he proposed making it a litle longer.  Me, I think this is overkill
>anyway, since I haven't gotten shroud lines to come out equally in 25
>years.

No, the first poster was right.  Think about it; you want to have the
distance from the attachment point on the 'chute to the point where it
is affixed to the rocket to be the same length for each corner.
Therefore, you must make sure that the cord is divided into three
equal (or at least roughly equal) lenghs, no matter how you tie it.

>I always attach mine 1-6, 3-4, and 2-5.  Why?  Because then I can
>"balance" the parachute so that it does not pull to either side.  If
>it pulls in one direction, I slide that line to lengthen it and 
>shorten the opposite side.  Yes, the lines don't always come out 
>even with EACH OTHER, but opposing pairs always come out even.  You
>can test the parachute's side pull simply by pulling it upward with
>your hand.  When I can pull it upward and it no longer takes off to
>any side, I book it and ship it.

This seems to work fairly well for me, but I'm not really fussy - the
way the instructions say to do it works just fine.  Remember, your
supposed to take the three loops, push them though the eye, and then
around the parachute so that they for a 'ring knot'.  This way you can
easily remove the parachut to untangle the cords.
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
From: <Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu>  (Roger Wilfong)
Subject: Re: Guidance - rc aircraft pains
Organization: UofM Hospitals
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:29:00 GMT

In Article <1992Oct5.135918.527@HQ.Ileaf.COM> "hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)" says:
> What you really need is not a tracking rocket, but a good 12-guage skeet gun.`
> 
> 
Maybe you could convert one into a scale AA.  There was a good article
in Fine Scale Modeler about a year ago on building a twin quad turret.
A pair of 12 or 16 guage shot guns should work well for the guns.  Of
course their plans would have to be scaled up - I think they were 1:35.
   
If the plane is a WWII vintage, you might get extra mission points for
realism.
From: buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com (Buzz McDermott)
Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: NARAM SUMMARY????
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:59:11 GMT
Organization: NEC America, Radio Software Dept

In article <28SEP199215370988@vx.cis.umn.edu>, soc1070                          writes:
|> <comments about choice of events potentially being based on cost
|>  considerations deleted>
|> 
|> Ed LaCroix called me this morning and we discussed this a bit as well.
|> He said he has been talking with a couple of the organizers and said
|> that one of the reasons for the events as determined is the size of
|> the flying field - I guess its pretty small (~84 acres). The only
|> event that was changed (that Ed knew about) for cost reasons was dual eggloft
|> - from C to D. This was because there is almost no way for a BP C5 to compete
|> against a C10 [Ed's ego getting bigger here... :) ]; and a D12 would fair
|> better against the composites.

In a recent conversation with Ed, he mentioned that a D21 D egglofter might
get as much as 20% greater altitude versus a D12.  The composites seem to
have a bit of an edge here, as well.  Of course, a D21 can be had mail order
for around $4, half the cost of a C10.

I've noticed one thing about getting into high power this past year...it blinds
you to cost considerations.  When you compare your $50-200 kit, with a $30-
200 casing containing a $10-50 reload, C10's start to sound cheap :-).
Reading the several postings in this thread has reminded me that not everybody
can afford to spend (potentially) hundreds of dollars for a weekend of 
flying.  Likewise, $8 a flight for potentially all B, C and D events (B7,
C10, D6) in a contest could get pretty expensive, especially to younger 
modelers.  It was good thinking on the part of the CD and contest committee
for the next NARAM to try to ensure inexpensive events were available.  That
wasn't my opinion at first, but it is now, and I think it is the right way
to approach an event like a NARAM.

============================================================================
Buzz McDermott                   Internet: buzz@rsd.dl.nec.com
NAR    13559
TRA     1785
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Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: c34657b@saha.hut.fi (Tuomas Viljanen)
Subject: Any IPMS members over there ?
Keywords: IPMS
Organization: The Nibelungenlied Incorporated
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:06:20 GMT

Like the subject said, are there any (certainly there are, but where ?) IPMS 
members here among the users ?

Regards,
IPMS-Finland member #Fi-889




  ++ Tuomas Viljanen                     ++ For a battle like Crecy, you do  ++
  ++ Lahderanta 20 A 19                  ++ not need a military genius like  ++
  ++ SF-02720 Espoo 72 FINLAND           ++ Edward III. All you need is an   ++
  ++ 358-0-592175 or c34657b@saha.hut.fi ++ idiot like the Duke of Alencon.  ++
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten)
Subject: Looking for scale model kit
Reply-To: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten)
Organization: Trent University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:53:22 GMT


Hello World,

	I've got the honour of being one of the first posters on this new
newsgroup!  :)  My question is this:

	Does anybody out there know of a company that produces a plastic
scale model of a 1991 Isuzu Impulse?  I bought the car a year ago and have
been looking for a scale model to build and have on my desk at work.  :)
I've been into all the local hobby/craft shops and pored through several
catalogues to no avail.  So, if there are any model people 'in the know'
out there, please email me where I might look. 

Thanks for your time.

Grant

Grant Totten, Programmer/Analyst, Trent University, Peterborough Ontario
GTotten@TrentU.CA            Phone: (705) 748-1653   FAX: (705) 748-1246
========================================================================
The gentlemen looked one another over with microscopic carelessness.
From: pfoss@cmsa.gmr.com (Pete Foss PO/46)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: B-24 Documentation wanted
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:04:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: rphroy.91115
Reply-To: pfoss@cmsa.gmr.com
Organization: .................

I am building a RC scale model of the B-24 known as "Rice Pattie Hattie".  It
was stationed in Gushkara, India during WWII.  I have one black and white picture
taken from the left hand side of the plane which has been loaned to me by the pilot.
I'm looking for any other available pictures of this particular airplane.  Expecially
from the right hand side of the plane or from the rear.
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: mike@marvin.pcs.com (Mike Schroeder)
Subject: Re: Trains
Organization: PCS Computer Systeme GmbH
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:19:48 GMT
X-Newsreader: nn

In <1992Oct2.085110.752@mr.med.ge.com> bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:


->Is any body out there into N scale model trains?

sure is!

I just set up a(nother) N scale 2m x 1m model train. If you're intersested in
details, mail or post.

Bye
--
From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Horses (was, Re: What's the purpose of this group?)
Date: 3 Oct 1992 18:04:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, gse@ida.liu.se (Goran Sedvall) says:

>schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu () writes:
>
>>So, is this group just for planes/trains/automobiles/ships or is it
>>big enough for the horse crazy folks too??? Just curious!
>
>>Kay Schlumpf
>
>In my opinion should your horses fit in this group. I build and
>paint lead figures and somtimes  they are sitting on a horse, so
>I can't see the difference. However, horse modelling is a typical
>american fenonomen, isn't it? I've never seen it here in Europe.
>Goran

I think horses would fit in this group to, afterall, the name of the
group is 'rec.models.scale'.  It doesn't say scale models of what, 
just scale models.  I would think that horses, figures, cars, sci-fi,
or any thing else that some one may enjoy scale replicas of would be
appropriate.

I don't know if horses are just USA phenomenon or not.  Perhaps it's
the context of the scale horse.  I think there would be cultural 
differences in interests, but what those differences are I don't 
really know.  

Phoenix Miniatures in England has a few 'white metal' horses available.
I think they have two or three in 1:32 and in 1:43.  Phoenix also has
a beautiful 'white metal' horse available with a mounted, late 18th or 
early 19th century, French soldier in 1:24 scale.  I saw it in the 
Phoenix catalog and priced it through a mail-order house, but at $100
it may be a while until I can get it. 

Anyway, I would say yes to horses, as well as humans and other animals,
nature (tress, etc. i.e. dioramas), and anything else that you may want 
a scale model of. 

*Pooh Bare

 
-- 
fortmapl@dayton.bitnet
fortmapl@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
From: jfd@cbnews.cb.att.com (james.f.daly)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Fire apparatus/fire trucks
Keywords: Fire trucks-cabs-light bars-sirens-etc.
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:45:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


A friend of mine builds 1/25th and 1/32 scale fire trucks, either from existing
plastic kits, scratch built, or some combination maybe even with some of Jim
Etter's resin Mack Cabs.  Any one know of a source of these "key-word" articles
other than Hobbytown in Seekonk Mass?
Is the Fire Apparatus Model Builders Club in New Jersey still active?

Please E-mail to me and I will pass any info on to my friend.
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: dpalace@sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (Dick Palace)
Subject: Re: Any IPMS members over there ?
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:08:29 GMT

Yes, I'm here. I belong to IPMS/USA. 

Dick #1478
--
Dick Palace         Goddard Space Flight Center      (301) 286-9464

dpalace@sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: pjg.wbst200ul@xerox.com (Paul J. Graziano)
Subject: Slot Cars Anyone?
Followup-To: rec.models.scale
Keywords: Aurora, Tyco, Thunderjet 500, Faller
Reply-To: pjg.wbst200ul@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:00:19 GMT


I hope this "fits" in this newsgroup...

I collect, build, race, and do just about anything 
with HO scale slot cars.  Anyone else interested in this?

If you have any old Aurora/Tyco/whatever slot cars, track, 
or accessories cluttering up your basement/attic/storage room,
and you want to pass it along to someone who would appreciate it,
please drop me a note!  I collect this stuff for my own personal
collection, NOT to re-sell...

I also race these little guys on a weekly basis.  We have a local
group here in Rochester NY, and we run essentially HOPRA rules.  We
have 7 different racing classes, and we run on 8 different road course
layouts (no ovals).

I'd be glad to discuss, either via e-mail or this conference, any other
details on this subject.

Paul Graziano
pjg.wbst200ul@Xerox.com      -or-       graz@rochgte.fidonet.org


Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: Ha Quang Le <hqle@daisy.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: model cars (1/18 scale)
Originator: hqle@daisy.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:01:54 GMT


  
 Hello there,

 Can somebody tell me places where I can order car models (1/18 scale) or
 catalogs of these car models?

 We here in Canada has a station called "Canadian Home Shopping Club", and
 they sell those model cars about once every six weeks. I think I got most
 of the cars they have, so I am trying to find new places.

 Any information will be much appreciated.

 Ha Le   hqle@daisy.waterloo.edu
 
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: jona@iscp.bellcore.com (Jon Alperin)
Subject: address for plasti-struct wanted...
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 12:41:55 GMT

Does anyone out there have the address of the company that makes the plasti-struct
styrene plastic sheets, i-beams, dowels, etc? I have seen stuff in a few stores,
but I would like to get a complete catalog of all available products...

 Thanks in advance..

-- 
Jon Alperin
Bell Communications Research

---> Internet: jona@iscp.bellcore.com
---> Voicenet: (908) 699-8674
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Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: arjay@cnplss5.cnps.philips.nl (R.J. Kimmel)
Subject: Re: Trains
Organization: Philips Centre For Technology, Eindhoven
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:14:06 GMT

bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:


>Is any body out there into N scale model trains?

While I am not directly involved as much as serious enthusiast, my 
husband is one of the Netherlands foremost "model train detailer"
If you wish to discuss anything specific, I will put him in front of
the terminal for a while  ;-)



ArJay
>#
From: gse@ida.liu.se (Goran Sedvall)
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
Subject: Re: ex-USSR fellow looking for exchangers
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:58:11 GMT
Organization: CIS Dept, Univ of Linkoping, Sweden

bell@beethoven.cs.unc.edu (Andrew Bell) writes:

>Since I don't make plastic models currently, there's not much point in me
>responding to him, but if there's anyone else out there who would like to
>contact him, by all means... perhaps you can trade model kits for one of
>those vouchers for a share of ex-Soviet industries...:-)

>(Incidentally, anyone know where .ua is?  The Ukraine?)

>   -Andrew Bell
>bell@cs.unc.edu

Yes, it is. He have plenty of russian-made kits, even vac-forms.

Goran
Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: An Invitation to Model horse Folks
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:17:53 GMT

Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Liberty shop model
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:05:58 GMT

st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver) writes:
> mvalinis@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael J Valinis) writes...
>>info anyway.  Bluejacket Ship Crafters has a 1/16 scale kit of a liberty ship 
>
>Well, what do you know, they do sell a Liberty ship kit!  However, I doubt if
>the scale is 1/16 since the model is only 27.5" long.  Anyways, I am very


Probably not 1:16, since that would make the Jeremiah O'Brien less than
fourty feet long.  But possibly 1/16" scale, which would make her 440'

I believe that outside of the world of plastic kits, scales (other than
1:48) are *often* referred to by the shorthand of how many inches to
the foot.  Then again there's RR's OO scale, which I believe is
four millimetres to the foot!  (what a combination!)


Bob {I'd prefer 3/8" armor, but there's more good kits in 1:35} O'Brien 

Newsgroups: rec.models.scale
From: andre@king.slc.mentorg.com (Andre' Hut)
Subject: Re: What's the purpose of this group?
Organization: /net/king/usr1/andre/.organization
	<RATINOX.92Oct3103813@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu>
Date: 5 Oct 92 09:47:11

In article <RATINOX.92Oct3103813@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu> ratinox@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu (Richard Pieri/Stainless Steel Rat) writes:
   >s> Hi everyone...

   >s> I saw this group on the "new group" list and it looked interesting.
   >s> What kind of things are supposed to be discussed here?

   >According to the charter, rec.models.scale is for the discussion of
   >construction techniques, materials, etc., for all forms of scale
   >modeling, from polystyrene to trains to RC. Discussion not of
                                  ^^^^^^
   >construction, etc., belongs in other groups.

   >Collecting is right out, sorry; try rec.collecting.

Trains are right out, sorry; try rec.models.railroad.
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