From: godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Organization: (DESY, Hamburg, Germany)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:00:12 GMT

In article <93008.091904PC2370A@auvm.american.edu>, Peter M. Cohen <PC2370A@auvm.american.edu> writes:
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>>->This brings some questions to mind:
> 
>>->
>>->1) Does this imply that the Germans deserve a homeland?
>>->
>>->2) If five boy scouts help old ladies across the street, does this imply
>>->   that Americans deserve a homeland?
>>->
>>->If I had to wrap up my view, I would say that individual Germans are
>>->wonderful, but as a group they suck.
>>->
>>-At first I wasn't going to entertain this response to my posting but the
>>-shear rediculousness of it forces me to.  In answer to question 1; yes, the
>>-Germans deserve and have a homeland.  I'm afraid I don't understand your
>>-question number 2; what are you implying ??  Are you actually attempting to
>>-use logic ? If so, your reasoning escapes me...
>>-
>>-------------------------------------------------
>>-Peter Cohen         pc2370a@auvm.american.edu
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>>
>>Your posting, as I read it, stated the following:
>>
>>A) Not all Germans were evil (ie, supported killing Jews during WWII).
>>B) Not all Arabs are evil( ie, actively support PLO, Hamas, etc).
>>
>>Then you conclude (I quote):
>>
>>-> I have finally come to the conclusion that both Jews and the Palistinians
>>-> deserve a homeland.
>>
>>Since this is a conclusion, I added the following:
>>
>>C) (obvious) Not all Jews are evil (ie, support PLO, are Nazis).
>>
>>and got:
>>
>>D) All groups who have members which are not evil (ie, nasty to Jews)
>>   deserve a homeland.
>>
>>This is your logic, no?  How else can you chain together A and B to get
>>your conclusion?
>>
> 
> I came to the conclusion based on reasoning not totally verbalized in the
> article.  Certainly the Germans both deserve and currently have a homeland.
> The Boyscouts of America have a homeland; the USA.  Any group of persons who
> have a common historical/ racial/ economic/ ethnic/ religious background
> deserve a homeland, however, not at the expense or demise of another group(s) o
> of people.  Historically, the way in which groups of people acquired ownership
> of a homeland was through war and conquest.  We humans have perfected war to
> the point that the next one will more than likely destroy everyone.  This
> situation has forced us to come to terms with each other through more peacefull
> means.  Weather it is right, or it is wrong, the Palestinians do have a
> ancestral tie to the land that is now Israel.  Palestinians have lived there
> for generations.  My point is that hopefully, some peacefull solution can be
> reached and Palistinians and Israelis can share the same land...
> 
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> P. Cohen  pc2370a@auvm.american.edu
> --------------------------

In my view the Germans forfeited their right to their country (a homeland, if
you like) by their actions during the first and second WW's, particularly the
latter.  As I have said before, it was a mistake to allow the German nation
to continue after WW2 and a mistake to allow the recent reunification.  I can
only hope that after the next example of the Germans' attempts to subject the
rest of the world to what they see as their superiority (inevitable in my
view) that the same mistake will not be made once again.

Laurence

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