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From: tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle)
Subject: Re: Read This
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 18:26:04 GMT
Organization:  MOOOOOOOOOON RIIIIIIIIIIVER!
Distribution: alt

In article <NEV.92Sep29163506@bonsai6.bnr.co.uk> nev@bnr.co.uk (Neil Vince) writes:
>
>	Would the relevant parties please take note that this group
>	is alt.romance and this is were things with a romantic nature
>	are discussed, myself (and others I'm sure) don't really want
>	to read about penis sizes etc in this group, that is what 
>	alt.sex is for, don't go telling me about kill files because
>	really this comes down to these articles being posted in the
>	wrong group.

So tell me...am I the only one tired of people saying or implying that sex
has nothing to do with romance? Sex darn well can be very romantic! Okay,
next question...am I the only one tired of people telling me where I can or 
can't post about certain things? Just curious...

>Neil.

   Tyger
-- 
      Kristen Kohlbecker    And I would choose to be with you
      tyger@netcom.com      That's if the choice were mine to make   
                            But you can make decisions too
      A Tyger and a Lady    And you can have this heart to break 
 
                       
        
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: nelson@eastrg1.cray.com (Christine Nelson)
Subject: Re: Female Size as opposed to Male size
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:00:37 CDT

In article <1992Sep28.040445.21377@cs.ucla.edu>, coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman) writes:
|> mec6@quads.uchicago.edu (Rini Clarkberg) writes:
|> |Rich.Tisovec@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Tisovec) writes:
|> [about the average size of vaginas]
|> 
|> Not surprisingly, vaginas have great ability to expand.  The real problem
|> seems to be that most women don't like having their cervices pranged.  Nor
|> their ovaries, even, which are supposed to be as sensitive as testicles,
|> though I have no idea what hermaphrodite was queried to determine this.  :-)
|> 
|> So I'm told,
|> Mike


"most women don't like having their cervices pranged."
                                    ----------------

what, pray tell, does that mean?


***********************************
"A mind is a terrible thing to lose...er...What I meant was, 
that it's terrible to lose one's mind...er..."
	  
NO D.Q. IN `92
From: keithg@cnmhnet.UUCP (keith garrard)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Hello again all! (And thanks for the advice and support!)
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:15:17 GMT
Organization: California-Nevada Methodist Homes

In article <80770@ut-emx.uucp> michaell@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael A. Lowry) writes:
>did for her, and the day after she left, I received a card she had
>sent from Ne York, on her way home, telling me that she wa in love
>with me. We had talked about love several times, and I told her that I
>sisn't think I loved her in the way that a man loves his wife, but
>some to realized that I did lover her too. I think we would both
>
This is a classis case of absence making the heart grow fonder.
You said yourself that when she first left, you didn't think you
had this strong love for her.  Now, after the passing of a little
time, you are in love with her.  Well, I'll tell you that I think
your trip in January is going to be an eye opener.  Oh, you will
be glad to meet and see her again, as will she.  But then the differences 
will come out, and you will realize that it wasn't meant to be.  
However, if you dont go, you will always wonder what might 
have been.  Go, and have a nice trip.  But keep your eyes open.
--Keith
From: bakerb@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Bryan W Baker )
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: to post penises or not to post penises?
Date: 1 Oct 92 04:15:45 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

I'm new to this, so bear with me.
In response to those people who are avidly opposed to others posting 
letters dealing with various sex related topics; they should realize that 
in numerous areas (namely colleges, and certian companies) the powers that 
be simply do not allow access to alt.sex or any of its' genre.  There are
several such accounts here that don't allow access to those newsgroups.
In fact, several of my close associates didn't realize that the was a
news group alt.sex.  
So, while it might be annoying at times to wade through all the sex talk 
to get to the romance parts; at least your fortunate enough to have access
to all, or most, of the newsgroups... AND if you don't like reading about
penises (or is it peni ) then don't.  There is always 'n'.

                           


Bryan
From: joshua@acpub.duke.edu (Joshua Goldie)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Read This
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:18:57 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


>So tell me...am I the only one tired of people saying or implying that sex
>has nothing to do with romance? Sex darn well can be very romantic! Okay,
>next question...am I the only one tired of people telling me where I can or 
>can't post about certain things? Just curious...
>
>
>   Tyger
>        
Let's make it simple, you're wrong.  While sex can be romantic, penis size
and other discussions relating to statistics or mechanics or technique are
not and as such have no place in this group.  Take it elsewhere - alt.sex
for example, a group designed for just such discussions as you seem to
enjoy.  And to answer your second question: I, for one, will never tire of
telling you where you may post. :)

---> Josh

Nothing personal, eh? :)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: bena@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling)
Subject: Re: Female Size as opposed to Male size
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 08:16:49 GMT

Re: Male size really

I have a theory as to why men are (supposedly) hung up
on on size of the male member.

Put simply, 

	The penis looks smaller when viewed from above.

Try it, it really does.

So at the pisser, when a male looks sideways, EVERY prong he
sees LOOKS bigger than the one directly beneath his gaze.

But above all, it's not the size, it's the magic in the wand.

Ben
From: progers@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Patrick Rogers)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re:  Romantic Songs
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:41:47 GMT
Organization: University of Waterloo

Some stories of lost love by the Eagles:"You Never Cry Like a Lover"
                                        "After the Thrill is Gone"
                                        "Wasted Time"
                                        "Take it to the Limit"

                                   -Pat
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: How to tell if you are in love
From: peregrin@husc13.harvard.edu
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:22:02 EDT
Organization: Harvard Business School

In article <1992Oct5.174734.6397@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, naveena@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Naveena Michael) writes:
> 
> Hi again folks
> 	This question of how to tell if you are in love has always baffled me.
> But more so as to how to distinguish between infatuation and love.... When you
> are infatuated with a person you FEEL that you are in love with that person,
> right?
> 	And somebody suggested that we wait and find out...well for how long
> does one wait??.  What is a SURE sign that you are in love with the person
> and not just infatuated with them.
> 

	If you see the person as perfection personified, then you know it
is infatuation.  If you are constantly thinking that they are the sweetest,
nicest, warmest, etc. person in the whole world, then I'd classify that as
infatuation.
	With love you see the person as a whole, the good and the bad.  You
know what their faults are.  And their faults are of a reasonable amount
(not "oh, she's perfect except she smokes").

-James
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Bits & pieces..
From: Rob_Tan@kcbbs.gen.nz (Rob Tan)
Date: 4 Oct 92 01:46:49 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

A friend of mine is hung up on a 15 y.o. girl.. (to put it bluntly..)..
He says he loves her.. truly.. he's 20 BTW.. problem is that the girlbieng 
a little young, is still looking to experience err.. new sensations 
new poeple that type of thing.. while he thinks he has found the one 
for him.. anyhow.. circumtances has found him baording with the girl's 
family.. while he has temporary 'broken up' with her -ie no dates at 
the mo.. , was doing him no good, & besides exams are coming up.. - 
he's not exactly forgotten about her.. after all he sees her every day.. 
happnes when you're living under the same roof.. 
Besides being there for him when he needs a fiends is there much that 
I can do that would ease him & help him keep his mind off her? He wants 
too.. but can't.. 

Another problem.. this time its mine.. not so major.. but maybe more 
complex?? It goes like this.. there's a girl I like.. (ah ha! I hear 
you say..).. its the a question of courgae of ask9ing her out or anything.. 
Thing is hopefully I'll finish university in 2 more years.. & then I'll 
be off to the serve national service (the army for those who don't know.), 
in some other country for about 3 years before becoming a free man again..
Now.. if I ask & she says no.. the porblem disappears.. coz its not 
her saying no I'm worried about.. but rather her saying yes if I should 
ask.. assuming she falls for me, wouldn't it be inconsiderate of me 
to have initiated things when I know I'll be letting her hang for a 
few years..? I'm not into causing pain needlessly.. advise please.. 
now if its me & not her that falls for the other.. then at least its 
my fault (kinda).. & I'll live.. ( I hope..).. at the moment.. we do 
(well I do!) enjoy each other's company.. 

Anyhow.. enough from me.. comments/advise please! Email is fine.. & 
if you make it public, could you please leave the title so I can it 
off? As I don't really have the time to go reading all the messages 
in alt. romance... only some.. ;-)..

Thanx in advance..
From: jxh@math.ksu.edu (James C. Hu)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Read This
Date: 30 Sep 1992 08:25:07 -0500
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hilbert.math.ksu.edu

>tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle) writes:

>So tell me...am I the only one tired of people saying or implying that sex
>has nothing to do with romance? Sex darn well can be very romantic! Okay,
>next question...am I the only one tired of people telling me where I can or 
>can't post about certain things? Just curious...

Well, the idea behind the Usenet structure is that apropriate topics
get discussed in apropriate places.  The poster is responsible for
deciding what group is appropriate.  The readers of a newsgroup are
responsible for defining what they consider to be appropriate.  There
is no active policing (except in moderated groups).  This is all very
reasonable and democratic, maybe even anarchic.

If the majority of readers of alt.romance do not want to discuss this
topic, then perhaps the topic should be moved to a different group.
It is not censorship.

Now, of course sex and romance are related, but I think this group
tries to look at the other aspects of a relationship.  The majority
posts are concerned with topics that are only remotely related to sex
proper.  Examples:
	* How to meet MOTAS
	* How to get over a break up
	* What constitutes attractiveness
	* How to handle LDRs
	* How to get MOTAS to overcome shyness

I don't mean to outline what appropriate topics are.  But, I always
thought of alt.romance as a sort of support group, where people could
explain a problem in their romantic life.  Follow-ups typically show
that these problems are not unique to the original poster, and thus
provides some comfort, and usually good advice from people who have
experienced those problems before.

One of the more interesting threads I remember from a while back, was
about how to set up a romantic encounter, or descriptions of what
people considered to be a romantic date.  Another neat one was about
how to hold each other for a whole night, with minimal discomfort.
These topics are about as close to sex as I would like to see in
alt.romance.  Questions and answers about the actual mechanics can be
left to alt.sex.
-- 
James C. Hu (jxh@math.ksu.edu), 1804 Denholm Dr., Manhattan, KS 66502
I speak for me, the whole me, and nothing but for me.  So help me me.
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: ae498@yfn.ysu.edu (Dawn Bott)
Subject: Re: Language
Reply-To: ae498@yfn.ysu.edu (Dawn Bott)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:27:31 GMT


In a previous article, gcv2010@Msu.oscs.montana.edu () says:

>
>C'mon, gang, let's get off this NG thread, and write a love letter....
>
My thoughts exactly!!! =)

hmm...where did i put that scented paper and orange crayons?
-- 
"I am not young enough to know everything."  -- James M. Barrie
"I AM young enough to know everything."  -- James M. Hammond
From: gimble@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (David Caruso II)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: MODERN DAY ROMEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 26 Sep 92 00:08:44 CDT
Organization: America, Planet Earth

Whomever is at z_robertsdw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> I'm searching for a MODERN DAY JULLIET.  There is a burning desire in
> my churning heart that knows not the word STOP! If you hold this
> heart that I hunger for, explore the world of my love and I will
> always and forever be your.....MODERN DAY ROMEO!!!!!

	I know Romeo.  And believe me, you're no modern day Romeo.

				-- Dave and Loyd Benson (paraphrased)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 David Caruso II                               Email: gimble@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.romance,alt.sex
Date: Thu,  1 Oct 1992 20:15:07 -0400 
From: "Francis J. Yenca" <fy03+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Nice Guys?
 <Bv5rLr.6Gp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> <HROSE.92Sep26134408@rocza.eff.org> <BvF8Gu.MDs.1@cs.cmu.edu>
	<1992Oct1.160700.6604@netcom.com>

Sharon Fisher writes:

>Statistics are very interesting, but the point is that you only need
>one girlfriend, so who cares if the percentage is 4% or 8% or
>whatever?  There's still lots of women around.  Gee, maybe you'll have
>to go outside your department to find one.  Gasp.  Is that so
>terrible?

>Consider the possibility that you're using those statistics not to
>explain, but to justify.  As an excuse, in other words.

Good points.  Besides, in Pittsburgh (as in many other large cities), 
there are many places to meet others.  For example, try any place
in Oakland (the section of Pittsburgh that includes both CMU and
the University of Pittsburgh), or try Pitt, itself.  

Frank (who knows from experience)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: gianos@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edward Alexander Gianos)
Subject: Here's an LDR going well......
Summary: My LDR is going well
Keywords: LDR
 
 
 
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 03:45:43 GMT

Upon graduation, she took a job in maryland, and I accepted an offer
to continue school on the west coast.  I think she was hoping I wouldn't,
but I would have been resentful if I passed up this opportunity; so
off I went.
 
Neither of us thought much about it (or at least talked much about it)
over the last summer.  It was always in the back of our minds, though.
Knowing that, we spent a good bit of time together.  Well, finally the
day came, and I had to leave.  It was quite a tearjerker, and right
up there with the 'tough things I had to do.'  I try not to second-
guess myself 'am I doing the right thing,'  because I know I am.
 
I have been at school for a month now.  We write, email, phone, when
we can.  It is hard, and getting settled out here is hard, especially
without her.  There are so many things I want to do with her, and show
her out here.  I wish I could share my adventure.
 
My program will only last one year (I may stay for more), but in all
fairness to both of us, I think some decision about our permanancy
should be made next summer.  (4 years together -> 1 year apart ->
still love each other?  *good relationship*)  We are both only
22 now, still young, especially for the M-thing.  My goal is to
become my own person, and share that with her, rather than become
a couple together.  I needed to break from home and prove to myself that
I can do it alone, and that I have the faith in her needed to continue.
 
She has a faults and problems.  and so do I.  However, we complement
each other very well and have very good lines o' communication going.

Well, at this point, I am happy to report that things are peachy.
I miss her like crazy, especially in the morning.  I have absolute
trust in her.  More importantly, I don't doubt the trust I have for her.
These past few weeks have been harder than hell with no one around.
(still trying to make friends...)  

The other thought I am dealing with is along the How-do-I-know-if-
this-is-the-one stuff.  I think we could have a wonderful life together,
but *should* I be thinking about stuff like that now?  Will she be the
same person when I get back?  Probably more so than I.  I think I
will change more.  Hopefully, these changes won't be drastic or
unknown about....

Well, I just thought I would post an 'everythings a-ok' note to tell
the world that things are cool with me..   :)

Any comments or suggestions?  I many of you have more experience and
wisdom than I.  Please comment as you feel necessary.  :)

Ed


no cool .sig
I'm just a beginner
                                               Be nice to people.
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: fallas@athena.mit.edu ()
Subject: romance is something like...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:41:28 GMT


Something very fragile and lovely.  You're right:  definitely
it isn't quite love until it has a chance to grow.  Something
along e.e. cumming's lines...


"small hands"

somewhere i have never travelled, gladly beyond
any experience, your eyes have their silence:
in your most frail gesture are things which enclose me,
or which i cannot touch because they are too near
your slightest look easily will unclose me
though i have closed myself as fingers,
you open always petal by petal myself as Spring opens
(touching skillfully, mysteriously) her first rose

or if your wish be to close me, i and
my life will shut very beautifully, suddenly,
as when the heart of this flower imagines
the snow carefully everywhere descending;

nothing which we are to perceive in this world equals
the power of your intense fragility:  whose texture
compels me with the colour of its countries,
rendering death and forever with each breathing

(i do not know what it is about you that closes
and opens; only something in me understands
the voice of your eyes is deeper than all roses)
nobody, not even the rain, has such small hands


---

Please do not let the ones who hurt you so bitterly in the
past destroy your chances at this kind of future happiness
as well.  They will not care, and you will still be alone.
Believe me, I know.  :(

*gentle hugs*
   Evelyn
From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: It hurts like Hell... Again
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:24:02 GMT
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology

In article <Bv2Jou.KBM@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis) writes:
>Now I don't know about you, but I definately don't go for a guy
>who's whining, crying, moping, telling me how much he misses me,
>begging me to tell him what happened, considering suicide, or in 
>any way pressuring me.  I'd most definately rather be *alone*.
>You have to be in the right *attitude* to be attractive to her,
>and that starts with accepting the way things are now.

A while back, I was quite interested in this girl... She knew I
was interested and she liked me too. The problem was that another
guy was also attracted to her and didn't take it too well when
he noticed that she was getting more and more interested in me...

This guy started to whine and told the girl that he might quit
studying and that he couldn't live without her. After a while,
this [nice] girl gave in and decided that maybe she loves him
after all.

The only pressure that I caused was that I told her that she
couldn't have the both of us. I was mostly just irritated by
her indecisiveness.

There are no firm rules that apply to everyone. I feel that I
acted correctly, but loosing her didn't feel good at the time.
Now that I look at it from a different perspective, I feel that
the girl probably wasn't mature enough for me anyway.


-- 
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: ksdavis@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Karleenus Schwartz Davis)
Subject: Re: Romantic Moods
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:35:01 GMT

Naveena Michael:
>> . . . taking a looong walk in 
>> moonlight on the beach, hearing the waves lapping at a distance...

John Grout:
>I have a real-life one to draw on... walking in a quiet desert among
>the saguaro cacti near a mountain's shadow in the moonlight.

Walking down railroad tracks snaking between the woods and fields near
a small hick down in the Midwest, toting an old BB gun, balancing on the 
rails, laughing, and shooting at discarded beer cans until the sun sets.
Newsgroups: alt.romance
From: frink-andrew@CS.YALE.EDU (Andrew Frink)
Subject: how to know if you are in love
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:58:29 GMT

This is my first posting on alt.romance... so Hi all of you.  I am
here to shed my few thoughts on the subject of how do you know that you
are in love?

I've had it explained in a few ways

1) If you are in a McDonalds and both of you order burgers.
   You open them and one is nasty dog meat, and the other
   is grade A beef.  You give your SO the Good one without
   even realizing it.
 
   (I got this from a good friend of mine)

2) If you think you are in love, than you are.  BUT...
   There are two kinds of love.  one gives you energy
   in all aspects of your life, and one takes it all away.
   It is up to you to figure out which you are in.

   (from Dr. Saul Gordon)

3) If you think you are in love, than you are (sound familiar)
   But... it is different tings at different levels of your life.
   When you are young (ie jr high) relationships go quick.  you
   don't want to really make it work.  But eventually you 
   meet someone who you do want to be with, with whom you do want 
   to work out problems.  This realization comes slowly... let it.

   (mine)

Whatever you figure out, remember to keep things slow in your mind.
Please don't feel that you have to be in love to be in a relationship.
Rushing into the L-word has caused me trouble (oi!).  

Enjoy the relationship for a while and follow your heart.

                      my $.02
                      drew

-- 
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|Andrew Frink (203)-436-0187         |  |\  where would we be|
|Yale University JE '94              |  |/  without beer?    |
|email@ friandj@minerva.cis.yale.edu |__|                    |
Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: How long has it been?
From: peregrin@husc13.harvard.edu
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:49:20 EDT
Followup-To: soc.singles,alt.romance,alt.romance.chat,talk.bizarre
Distribution: na
Organization: Harvard Business School

In article <1992Oct6.134605.16183@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mneeley@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Neeley) writes:
> How long has it been since you were kissed by a member of
> the opposite sex?
> 
> 	Mark (almost a year)

		I did a year and a half stint back in 87-88... I've heard
of two or three year periods...

-James