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From: djg@cray.com (Dennis Guldan)
Subject: Re: Please tell me my dog is not stupid
Summary: SORRY YOUR DOGS STUPID...
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:06:47 CDT

In article <1992Sep29.193433.17919@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) writes:
> 
> In article <1a9q57INN970@rodan.UU.NET>, lorelei@rodan.UU.NET (Lorelei Horner) writes:
> >|I have a siberian husky.  My roommates are convinced she is retarded
> >|because she does not always come when told or sit when told.  I think
> >|she is just very independent.  So who is right?
> >I have the same dog...do we share?? I am convinced that Sasha is not
> >stupid, just TOO smart for her own good. I have had huskies in the
> >past and it was my experience that until they are about five or six
> >years old, they will do what you ask when they want to or ONLY if
> >they feel dominated........
> How sad, your dogs both suffer the same disorder as mine, Selective Hearing.
 

    I've talked to a few trainers... we've come to the conclusion,
    Your dogs stupid.

  Sorry I haven't flamed anyone in a while, and was in a flaming mood.

  Seriously, some dogs you need to spend more time with. With beagles for
  instance, hours may turn into months. And I have had Beagles.


   Good Luck.
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Vicki Hearne, another article
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:39:10 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



The only place I remember in Adam's Task that was hard to read was the
very beginning of How To Say Fetch (so I warn people I recommend it to
to keep going, it gets easier)

The book is a collection of essays, each of which appeared in some
magazine or another, so the audiences varied.  The cat one appeared
in the New Yorker, so of course is much too long. Washoe and Fetch
were in Raritan, a scholarly quarterly that is not particularly
stodgy, and Washoe was reprinted in Harpers' about a year later.


They all reflect pretty honestly Hearne's interests, which are
training and moral philosophy.  She uses training in the first
instance as an example to shed light on moral philosophy, but it
goes both ways.  We come to understand training.

Our words about training and morality have lost their way, we no longer
understand ourselves.  She wants to lead them home.
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Raising dogs vs. children
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:17:23 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <16872CE2E.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>Let the contest begin!  ***Ding****
> 
> 
> 
>And there it is.  A 10th round knockout!  Marla is the new
>xxx-weight champion of the world!  (massive amounts of crowd
>cheering can now be heard)
> 
> 
>>HEY HEY I couldn't resist!
> 
>Me either.  ;-)
> 
>      --------------------------------------------------
>Chris Barnes            |

I didn't know I had such and effect on you!  WOW, to put me in a league with
Mohamod Ali, now that's a riot!!!
(Oh, by the way, I guess I could be considered tri-color , I have green
pants, a tan shirt, and white socks on -- that's three colors -- tri-color!)

HAH!

-----
Marla Belzowski    saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee  4 mo. sable and white collie
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Health Survey
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:56:37 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

The Irish Setter Club of America recently conducted a survey of its members to
find out what health problems seem to be most common in the breed and which
problems members most felt needed to be studied.  The survey was done in part
to help the Institute for Genetic Disease Control in Animals and its new open
registry.  Anyway, I thought y'all might be interested in the results and might
want to compare them to disease frequencies and concerns in your own breeds:

                            % OWNERS/BREEDERS              # WHO WANT IT  
DISEASE                        WITH PROBLEM                    STUDIED
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hypothyroidism        	            45.7					                     22

Cancer Types							      43.1                          36

Bloat                               40.9                         152

Chronic Ear Problems 												 40.9                           2

Allergies                           40.9                          22

Seizures                            37.8                         139

Hip Dysplasia                       35.6                          39

Panosteitis                         23.2                           7

Spondylosis                         23.0                           6

Heart Disease                       20.4                           3

HOD                                 18.2                          33

Cataracts                           17.1                           1

Autoimmune Diseases                 14.6                          31

Osteoarthritis                      14.0                           1

OCD                                 13.2                           5

Megaesophagus                        7.8                           1

Other Bone Disease                   3.9                           3

Progressive Retinal Atrophy          3.6                          41

Laryngeal Paralysis                  2.8                           1



Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kjt34420@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kristin J. Thommes)
Subject: Re: Someone please help me...my best friend is hurt!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:10:08 GMT

It's possible that what your dog has is one of many degenerative
spinal nerve diseases....I have seen a few cases of this and the
symptoms seem to match what you have described your dog as doing.
Don't rush to have him euthanized however...although rear-limb
paresis can be scary, there is a company out there that manufactures
a scooter-like thing for dogs who cannot use their hind limbs.  It
is called a "K-9 cart" and I have seen several people use these with
some sucess.  It all depends on your dogs ability to adapt to using the
cart.  They are able to walk, run, stand, and also defecate/urinate while
they are strapped into the cart.  So even if whatever is wrong with Major
results in paralysis, yu might want to consider trying a k9 cart before
euthanasia.

If you haven't already seen a veterinary neurologist, I would suggest
that you do so.  Also, even though acupuncture is expensive, I have
seen it help "last chance" dogs, including a couple who had extreme
pain from hip dysplasia.  Within a few treatments, they were actually 
running around again!  (Don't ask me how they did it- all I know is
that it worked!)

Good luck with your dog.


--
From: kenb@techsup.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Greyhound Obedience Training
Date: 24 Sep 92 13:26:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:sph.unc.edu:3:techsup:840700006:000:2050
Nf-From: techsup.UUCP!kenb    Sep 24 08:26:00 1992


/* ---------- "Greyhound Obedience Training" ---------- */
Can anyone help?  I am assisting in a Dog Obedience class and we have an
ex-racing greyhound as one of our pupils. Since racing greyhounds are 
punished for sitting apparently, none of us are sure how to approach 
teaching 'sit'.  We have suggested going very slowly and gently, but no-one 
knew for sure.  'Down' is also going to be a problem since it's usually 
taught from a 'sit'.

Can anyone out there give advice - 

Thanks.

Alison 
/* End of text from techsup:rec.pets.dogs */

i have a retired racing greyhound that i took through obedience
training.  she sits and downs just fine now.

i don't know if racing greyhounds are punished for sitting, or
not, but i do know that greyhounds do not sit comfortably.
they're just not built to sit.

one thing to keep in mind is that greyhounds can be extremely
stubborn animals...  extremely.  but, if they like you, they'll
want to do just about anything to please you.

anyway...  i had a difficult time with mine but it only took a
couple of sessions to teach her the idea and a couple more to
have her doing sits consistently.  my method was to stand to the
dog's right, give the command sit, and place the dog by pulling
up on the leash and pushing down on the rump.  it's a fight.
these dogs are strong -- sometimes i wondered which one of us was
going to win.  sheila would put here ears back and grit her teath
but after she figured out that she had no choice, we started
making progress.  no problem now -- she even does automatic sits.

down was the same way.  i put her into a sit, praised her for it,
then while pulling down on the leash and giving the command,
placed her.  i figured that after learning sit, down would be
easier.  wrong.  but she's got it now.

some greyhounds are more skittish than others.  they require lots
of patience and praise -- just like any animal, but they can
learn sit and down -- even sit stay and down stay.

email me if you have more questions.

kenb@qat.tandy.com
...!utacfd!trsvax!qat!kenb
From: wagner@jackson.cs.unc.edu (Michael Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog & Protection
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:00:45 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1687883CF.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:

>barking their heads off at him, then HE DESERVES TO GET BIT!  PERIOD.

I think maybe you shouldn't let your insurance agent read this.

It would also, in a more serious note, be interesting to understand
why you feel elevated to judge a situation in which you are not
present, and to prescribe the physical injury of a child as
a reasonable punishment.  In general, I think that lacerating
criminals was abandoned as a form of punishment through most
of the US some time ago.  

	1)	Why do you feel laceration is  still appropriate?
	(Interestingly enough, we are not really restricting this
	conversation to lacerating *criminals* in any known
	sense of the word.  Sometimes people feel it necessary
	to establish the comission of a crime prior to the
	punishment.)

	2)	If you feel that laceration is a reasonable form of 
	punishment for children, would you prefer that it be administred 
	with some sort of upper bound?  That is, if the child does 
	deserve to be bitten, and if that biting kills that child or 
	scars that child for life, did that child deserve death or 
	permanent scarring?  (I'm not really sure of the legal history,
	but I think that legal scarification as a means of punishment
	is failry rare in the last half og this century.)

	3)	If scarification and death are reasaonable punishments
	for the as yet unspecified crime (or *non-crime*?  I can't tell
	from your response if a child chasing a ball into your yard
	is a criminal or not), are your dogs able to make wise and 
	responsible decisions as to who should be scared, who should be 
	lightly maimed, who should be severely maimed, and who should 
	be killed?


I am willing to make a bet, and I may be wrong, that most people would
feel that the proper punishment for a child straying into your yard
is some kind of verbal chastisement.  I bet few people would see
scarification or death as a more reasonable punishment than such
chastisement.  Including you.

Mike
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Tracking & Ants
Summary: food
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:14:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23747
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Dave Minturn writes:
>I disagree with these statements.  My wife and I have put 5 TDs and 1 TDX
>on our dogs using food as the primary motivator for tracking.  We and just 
>about everyone else we have met tracking, (including the judges),
>go by the Glenn Johnson methods, "Tracking dogs, theory and methods", which
>is has the track layer use food if necessary for motivation

I don't have the book here, but I remember Johnson didn't particularly
like food, nor did Davis.  Why?

I don't deny that most people I know use bait.

There is NO motivator that can compare with a dog who loves doing
a hard job well, especially on long and difficult tracks.  It is that
satisfaction that games and food deny the dog, and that Koehler means
to create room for.

I have other quarrels with Koehler's tracking, but not that one.

Bait and games are a faster way to begin tracking, yes.
From: 739chan1@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Request source of dog quote.
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:15:32 EST
Keywords: Dogs
Distribution: world
Organization: Western Michigan University

  I read this from some place. It is a great quote about dogs and I would like
to know who wrote/said it and when/where it was said. I've forgetten exactly 
how it goes, but it's something like this:

"Man gives the dog the time he can spare, the attention he can spare, and the
love he can spare. In return, the dog gives his utmost loyalty and undying
affection. It is without doubt the best deal man ever made."

Please send me replies by email because I don't venture into this newsgroup
often enough.

__________________________________________________________________________
Chan Lee Meng          \  "In the beginning, God created man. But seeing
739chan1@gw.wmich.edu    \   him so feeble, God gave him the dog."
X92chan3@gw.wmich.edu      \   - Ancient Saying (I dunno source, either)
Western Michigan University. \
From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Obedience Classes was Motivational Methods
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:17:00 GMT
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer)
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525

TO: Jack.Smoke@bbs.oit.unc.edu

JS>        We enrolled the dogs in obedience classes at the Durham
JS>Kennal Club, and the resulting change in behavior is incredible.
JS>The classes are rather expensive ($60/dog), but there are only about ten
JS>dogs in each class, and the instructors (3) take time to work with
JS>each handler indvidualy.
$60.00 is about an average price, expecially for the attention that you
are receiving.

JS>        My only qualm is that they are encouraging us to use food as
JS>a training aid, which seems wrong to me.  If you're bribing your dog to
JS>behave, what happens when the dog isn't hungry?

First don't feed prior to going to class, the dog will be hungry and
will respond to the food. The trick on using food is knowing when to
start cutting back. Example: When you are first teaching your dog to sit
everytime you place the dog in the sit position you give the dog a
treat. Then the dog gets the message and does automatic sits you switch
to giving praise for every automatic sit and food every 3 sits. Ok you
have the dog doing sits, and healing for several paces, now you only
give quiet praise while working and food at the end of the heel pattern.
Before long you will be giving praise during the exercise and food at
the end. When the dog ( if you are going to show it) is ready for
trails, you will have the dog trained to know that when you are
completly done and out of the ring, then he/she gets lots and lots of
praise and a treat. Make sure you are using praise and treats that way
you can Slowly wean the dog off the treats and have it responding more
to your voice.

Kathleen
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From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dober Goofs perverted to include other breeds
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:26:40 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu

terrih@mcnc.org (Terri W. Hardwick) writes:

>Oh, yes, pervert away!

>How 'bout the Bassett Hound who on the Directed Retrieve exercise, instead
>of picking up the glove picked up his ear by mistake and brought it all
>the way back to the handler without ever realizing his what he had done?

Then there was a particular Terv who took the high jump on the outside of
the figure 8.  Remember Terri?

We won't say who this particular dog belonged to.  

--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
From: lorelei@rodan.UU.NET (Lorelei Horner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Please tell me my dog is not stupid
Date: 29 Sep 1992 10:44:55 -0400
Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net

|I have a siberian husky.  My roommates are convinced she is retarded
|because she does not always come when told or sit when told.  I think
|she is just very independent.  So who is right?
|
|Thuy-An
|

I have the same dog...do we share?? I am convinced that Sasha is not
stupid, just TOO smart for her own good. I have had huskies in the
past and it was my experience that until they are about five or six
years old, they will do what you ask when they want to or ONLY if
they feel dominated........

Wouldn't trade her though!!

Lorelei Horner                   UUNET Operator
lorelei@uunet.uu.net		 uunet!lorelei
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: MISPKB1@kentvm.kent.edu
Subject: Re: mistaken idenity
Organization: Kent State Univ.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:08:08 GMT

    I'm new to posting so be kind.  I have a Greyhound ( U-CD Quaint CD TT)
who has been identified as a Dobe, pit bull, and a Dal.  Quaint is a small
(23" at withers) light brindle hound.  Other then the misidentification as       do.) writes:
a pit bull by a neighbor I usually am amused by what they think she is.
2 teenage girls did ride by on their bikes once singing 'go Greyhound and
leave the driving to us'.  Dancer my red fawn Greyhound has been identified      writes:
as an Afghan and a rottie.  Dancer is 9.5 years old and is entered in
Nov B for the first time Oct 25.  Taz the Dobe has been identified as
a pit bull and rottie.  Funny she thinks she is a Greyhound and Dancer is
mom.  Taz (U-CD Tazmanian Devil XI CD TT) is entered Oct 6 in the National
Doberman Specialty in Open A.  She still needs some clean up on some of
the exercises but I couldn't resist entering her since the specialty is in
Toledo OH which is only a few hours away from me.
 
hope this gets thru ..........Pamela and the happy pack
>> My Akita is a descendant of the top Akita of all time (as, btw, are most
>> Akitas :-).  But I never say anything about her "having papers".  The only
>> time I get *really burned up*, though, is when people ask what kind of
>> MIX my dog is.  MIX?  MIX?  Then I get very arrogant and shake my head
>> slowly, letting them stew in their ignorant juices before I tell them
>> she's a *purebred* Akita.  <sniff>
>>
>>   :-)
>You'll hjave to admit, an Akita isn't as common as some dogs.  My GOLDEN
>RETRIEVER gets that very often when we are at the vet.  He's a nice golden,
>very close to his conformation championship, but because he has such a big
>head people often think that he is a mix between something and a St. Bernard!
>
>I know how you feel!  I usually nicely say, "He's a purebred SHOW golden
>retriever."  Don't want them to think he's just a bad specimen of the breed!
>
>Kim
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: MISPKB1@kentvm.kent.edu
Subject: Re: Dober Goofs
Organization: Kent State Univ.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:21:25 GMT

  It took my Dobe a long time to teach me that she
doesn't work outside on hot days.  At one match she jumped
the high jump for the retrieve then ran and laid under the
stewards table.  She has also walked out for the flat
retrieve and laid down with her dumbbell between her front
feet.  I also enjoyed the recall where she sits with her
nose almost touching the ground (vulture style) then walks
oh so slowly in ignoring the drop.  Taz will only work
outside on cool days.  She is on thyroid medicene and
I have read dogs with thyroid problems have trouble
regulating the internal temp.  Of course she won't potty
in the rain either.
From: berlind@acsu.buffalo.edu (heike berlind)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dog is totally stiff
Keywords: arthritis, stiff from diarhea
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:13:06 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

My Norwegian Elkhound, Wotan, who is 1  1/2 years old is totally stiff since
24 hours.  He cannot get up nor get down alone.  Once he is up he can walk
around but very slowly and he looks very stiff.
He is usually full of energy and doesn't have any problems at all.
On Friday evening he was just fine.  On Saturday morning, when I called him
to get up he couldn't get up -- I had to help him. I took him to the
backyard
where he pooped a lot, and "IT" looked almost black and was slymy.  I took
him to the vet who told us because he had diarhea he is so stiff, and that
it is possible that he has gas that got throughout his body and causes the 
stiffness.  At the vet his temperature was slightly elevated.  The vet gave
him an antibiotics shot and gave him pills for his stomach (Carafate, 1gr
3X a day). Since Saturday he is also on a bland diet (rice with boiled
hamburger meat.
Wotan is up-to-date with all his shots (distemper, rabies,parovirus).  He
is on a once-a-month heartworm medicine which also prevents other worms (He
always gets it on the 1st of each month). On Friday I didn't take him on 
any walks but just played with him in the backyard, so it is almost
impossible that he could have eaten anything poisenous. He is never
unsupervised in the backyard.  The only thing he managed to eat where some
grass clippings that our neighbour washed off the lawn mower and left them
lying around. Wotan had a little piece of those clippings before I could
stop him. We told the vet about the grass clippings but she said that grass
wouldn't cause anything like this.
Has anybody had a similar problem with their dog?  I am really worried about
Wotan and would appreciate any suggestions.
Tomorrow we will take him to the vet again.  
(This morning we also gave him one pill of Buffrin).

Any suggestions what it could be would be appreciated.
Thanks!

Heike Berlind
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Kleenex-eating Dogs
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:57:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Sep30.195738.13416
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

>In article <1992Sep28.132326.11794@sequent.com> schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes:
>>I second the opinion that this is a "dog" thing.  Every dog I have had
>>the pleasure to live with has loved tissue.  The beagle we had when I
>>was small would climb up and over anything for a tissue.  I had left
>>one on the piano once and he literally walked up and down the keyboard
>>chewing on that tissue.
>
I'm sure this must be against some net rule....responding to your own
post, but I had to do it.....

My husband and I bowl on Tuesday nights.  We're gone approximately 2.5
hours.  We've started increasing the time our oldest dog is allowed to
have the run of the house unsupervised.  He's done wonderfully, and
sleeps most of the time we're not at home.  (we've done some spying on
him through the windows.)  Last night however he must have had a
temptation beyond reason.  A pile of paper napkins was left on our
dining room table.  He climbed up on the table to get them.  When we
came home, he was laying on top of the table, chewing and shredding
away.  The funny thing was not only did he try to slink away from us,
but so did our little puppy, who was confined to the kitchen and could
not have been a party to the napkin shredding. 

schalene