From: leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Mark Curtis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Closed repeaters
Date: 5 Jan 1993 23:12:42 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Distribution: world
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In article <8339@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
|> [Followups to .policy...]
|> 
|> In article <1icr4sINNl08@transfer.stratus.com> leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Mark Curtis) writes:
|> >Except he isn't the only person parking in the lanes.  Hundreds of others
|> >have the same idea.  Nobody has a problem with them using the road to drive
|> >on, it's using it for a private parking lot when they aren't that we have
|> >a problem with.
|> 
|> So use the next road over that has plenty of open lanes, and goes the same
|> places.

Because YOU'RE wasting everyone else's time, and access just so that you
don't have to be bothered to do what everyone else does, share the road.
You don't want to be bothered with the problems of sharing so you squat
down and claim that lane is your private lane.  You don't own the lane,
it's public property built and paid for with public tax money.  All you
own is the car.  Your 30k wheels will not impress me, the cops, or the
tow truck driver.

|> Who says he's not using it just because it isn't moving? He could be waiting
|> for a passenger he's made an appointment to go to dinner with.

Hello McFly!  Knock Knock, anyone home in there.  Thats what they make
curb parking spaces for.  How dim can you be?

|> So? The repeater is useless without a fixed frequency on which to find it, and
|> to force him to share the frequency without his consent hinders his ability to
|> use his property.

Tough!  Thats life in the real world.  This is ham radio not a private
common carrier.  Sharing, interference, and waiting are all part of
ham radio.  You're using the wrong radio service if you think you own
any frequency.  Get a business frequency license if you want a frequency
all to yourself, in the ham radio service you have to share.

|> [BBQ grill analogy posted for the second time deleted]

Deleted because you can't come up with anything to counter it.

|> A barbecue grill doesn't lose its utility if you pick it up and move it. A
|> repeater does.

You don't have to move it, just turn it off when you're done talking and
quit crying about having to share.  Everyone has to share the frequencies
in ham radio.

|> Besides, the situation is more like the city telling you that you can build
|> that grill there, and keep others from using it, and then telling you after
|> you've built a $10K grill complete with smokers, rotisseries, and gold-plated
|> tongs that now you have to let everyone use it. Is that fair?

The repeater coordinator didn't own the frequencies either.  He didn't
have to right to "give it to you" in the first place.  Good thing he
wasn't selling land he didn't own, the courts love people who do that.

|> If I were to follow your words, then someone who doesn't like me or my
|> repeater can force me to keep it off the air, thus depriving me of the use of
|> it. Is that fair?

Get a business license if you can't handle sharing.  Didn't your parents
teach you anything about getting along in the real world?  Sharing is
like saying please, it gets you a long ways for very little.

|> Under the rules by which a LOT of repeaters were coordinated, they do in fact
|> own that frequency.

No they don't.  The coordinator doesn't doesn't have the right to give
them to anyone.  He doesn't own them either.  He is just a self
appointed person who tries to keep the various repeaters out of each
others hair.  Something cooked up by the repeater owners to serve them-
selves.  You may have volunteered to go along with it, but I didn't.
Only the FCC can assign frequencies to stations, something they
refuse to do in the ham radio service.  Sharing is part of the deal.

|> Want to put up a repeater? Try 220, or 900, or 1200;
|> there's plenty of spectrum out there just begging to be used.

144/220/450 are all filled here.  1280 is doing real well too!  Scanning
around on 450 is like looking for water in the desert.  There may be a
little chatter here and there, but most of the repeaters are dead quiet.

220 and 1280 are my main two bands.  144 and 450 usually aren't worth
the trouble.  900 is a joke.  Too much interference to and from all the
new consumer/computer toys.  Hams are about fourth fiddle on that band.
In some parts of the country you can't even use 900 because of military
activity.
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