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From: "richard mohammed" <richard.mohammed@canrem.com>
Subject: internet bbs-holland
Reply-To: "richard mohammed" <richard.mohammed@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:26:55 EST

This message was from USENET GATEWAY to RICHARD MOHAMMED,
originally in conference U-REPLIES
and was forwarded to you by RICHARD MOHAMMED.
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       From: J C VANDERWAL
    Subject: internet bbs-holland

>I am looking for a Public Access BBS with Internet/Usenet Access in
>Holland.  Particularly I am looking for one in the City of Zoetermeer.
>.
>After looking through several BBS list I found a BBS called "PC Square"
>in Zoetermeer.  What I would like to know, is if it has Public Access
>and Access to Internet.  If you can help me by giving me more details on
>this or others it would be great.
>.
>E-mail addresses, contact persons, anything would be helpful.


One of the few I know of is the "hacktick" organization. Their BBS is located
in Amsterdam (thus outside the "basic rate" area for telephone calss from
Zoetermeer).  Price is about DFL10,- per month. I haven't got any address at
hand. Please let me know if you'd like me to find an address; or address
somebody here in the group that has "hacktick" and/or "kzdoos" in the domain
name.

Regards, <kees>
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From: st1qb@Elroy.UH.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
Subject: Internet access in Houston.
Date: 30 Dec 1992 15:53:25 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: st1qb@Elroy.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu

Anybody know of a system that offers Internet access in the Houston, Texas
(713) area?  Perferably with full telnet, ftp, usenet access.  I'm
needing this for my father, who I have made interested in the Internet
but can't find anyway for him to get access.  Please E-Mail me if you
can help.

Thanks for your time,
David Massey
st1qb@jetson.uh.edu

Newsgroups: alt.angst,talk.bizarre
From: cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton)
Subject: Re: while driving home
Followup-To: alt.angst
Organization: t.b, t.p.d, & a.d
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:10:17 GMT

Keith C. Estanol (kestanol@porgy.uucp) wrote:
: In article <XIBO.92Dec20005145@fido.fido.econ.arizona.edu> xibo@fido.econ.arizona.edu (Mr. Coates) writes:
: >
: >"He's seeing monsters..."
: 
: Great Story, Xibs!  I could almost hear the strains of the Twilight
: Zone behind that one.  I'm wondering if this is like the time I saw
: a red toyota truck like mine passing by, also with a female in the
: seat, wearing all black.  I wear black mostly these days .. one
: wonders..   Let me know if you have any more sightings, this could
: get rather interesting.  Although, if <unmentionable MUDder> walks
: in the room, I won't be around to listen. Anyways .. snatches of
: lyrics I heard the other day, or keep hearing:
: 

  Thank you for sharing.  
  Now fuck off back to alt.angst;
  Trouble us no more.
  (The worst thing in the world is
  When followups are set wrong.)

  -- Clifton

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From: machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: time to go back
Date: 29 Dec 92 15:53:07 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments

rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) writes:

>[talk about not having money for school deleted...]

er, could you perhaps get a student loan? That's what I did. and I'll
be paying for it the rest of my life:) seriously, I'm not sure, you being
from Britian and all, but there are lots of instituitions who prey off
unsuspecting students.  

>why does this make me feel inadequate, incapable of dealing with life? 

to be frank, because you aren't dealing with life. you shouldn't have
these problems if you were in control.

>why does financial trouble make me feel out of control? i don't owe
>anyone any money (yet), but i feel as if owing will make me die, almost
>drown in debt, in humility. 

you are one in a million (this is probably statistically correct and not
just another cliche'), rachel, because *everybody* is in debt. hell, I'm
in for about 15K on student loans, 12K for a car, and about 100K for
a house and will be in debt for the rest of my life. my existence is only 
important to the bankers and the government, since they take all my 
hard-earned money. 
they just make sure I have barely enough to survive so I can continue to
pay the mortgage and the taxes. 

>bah.

mitzva!

--

     Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

Chuck Machala-Semiconductor Process and Design Center-Texas Instruments/Dallas
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Monday, 21 Dec 1992 09:53:28 MST
From: <IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET>jo
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: fuck the notion of *real* angst
 <DUKE.92Dec19114633@portal.paperboy.osf.org>

alright, now i'm confused.... who am i supposed to check with before
i know whether i have angst or not?? who's okay shall i obtain??

who's gonna sign my permission slip?

j.
Newsgroups: alt.angst,alt.angst.xibo.sex,alt.religion.kibology,rec.games.mud.tiny,talk.bizarre
From: venkman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mezo)
Subject: Re: Tank Girl's FORGED log in which she blames Igburyanki for introducing her to her current hose buddy, Ahkond
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:43:41 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Well if it is forged She did a good job and should be commended for quite
an entertaining read. =)

Actually though I hav my own theory....

You were drugged when this all happened and so thusly dont remember....You were
to busy envisioning how to get three shots off in 6 second with a bolt action
rifle as you were being used by the CIA and TankGirl to kill Kennedy.

Just my twopence worth. 

Th'ron rider of Wulfrith, He who may be looking for a site for a MU* soon.
From: llama@tramp.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: people make my brain hurt.
Date: 3 Jan 93 21:53:04 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

weird to feel this way, since external feedback has such a major role
in my life, but there are days like today when people are just too
tiring. it seems like so many of them are just pulling at me, like i'm
made of playdoh and they're tearing off little bits and they won't
stop and there's not going to be any me left for me when they finish.
or they come to me and have ideas about how i will respond, what i
will say, and i know there's no way in hell i can live up to them so
i pretend as long as i can, i squeeze myself against the edges of
their cookie cutters, pour my soul into their jell-o molds and wait
for it to set. 

maybe i just need some fruit cocktail.

maybe i just need a vacation. but what happens when they take away the
mold and i spring back into my normal shape? that's the scary thing.

everybody seems to want a relationship. i'm not sure i do. it's not a
shortage of men -- there was the blind date last week, a guy at work
i'd like to get to know, another guy at work who's asked me out. and
there was the guy new year's eve. but none of these people are
particularly compelling. the date was incredibly dull, i'm not trying
to get to know the first guy at work, i haven't set up anything
definite with the other one, i'm glad chris lives in another state.

maybe i've devoted so much of my energy to some stuff i'm writing for
myself that i don't have what i'd need to start a relationship. maybe
i'm just being self-centered, unwilling to make room in my life for
anyone.

the problem with pushing everyone away and retreating into a quiet
space where it's just me and words is that sometimes i need to come
out and breathe and if i've pissed everyone who knows me off, i'll be
lonely when i surface. why can't they just understand this
instinctively? why do i have to feel so damned guilty for neglecting
them?

bleah.

--
sine | deb
not on at all today. too gray.

Newsgroups: alt.angst,alt.suicide.holiday
From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Subject: Re: Be Drunk (was Re: Depression)
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:43:34 GMT

In article <ummm> dante@microsoft.com (throated plaid) writes:
>The actual quote:
[deleted]

I beg your pardon.  I have seen as many "actual quotes" as I have seen
translations.  The only "actual quote" is in french, and I have seen 
significant variations as well.

-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
From: mitch@novavax.UUCP (Mitch Silverman)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re^2: Depression
Date: 27 Dec 92 01:55:22 GMT
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

dlightne@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David E Lightner) writes:

>It was a twenty year old male virgin who began this thread.  Since then most 
>commentators seem to be trying to point out that there is more to life than sex
>and relationships.  I'd like to take the other tack.

>   I'm twenty-five, and was a virgin until I was twenty-four.  I lost my 
>virginity in a one-night stand with a woman I haven't seen since and have no 
>desire to see.  The only reason I slept with her was because I couldn't stand
>being a virgin.

Well, I'm 27.  I'm no longer a virgin (I lost my virginity at 21, under
interesting circumstances), but have never been involved in what I think of
as a 'normal' long-term, boyfriend-girlfriend relationship.

And I gotta tell you, David, despite having somewhat more sexual experience
than you do, I agree with pretty much everything you wrote.

I still have *absolutely no idea* how to turn a good friendship into a
relationship, or how to figure out that that's an appropriate transition
in a perticular case--whether or not the woman is interested, or
whether it's going to be 'LJBF' all over again.

I doubt that this helps you in a practical way, David, but I figured
sharing my angst might make you feel less angstful--or at least
less singular.  (Pardon the pun.)

Mitch Silverman
Student, New College of the University of South Florida
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: The eternal questions...
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:18:06 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <85944@ut-emx.uucp> llama@tramp.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:
>
>sigh. i have a blind date tonight. we spent two hours on the phone
>last night. he claims to be incredibly intrigued and is picking me up
>after work tonight because he's going out of town for the weekend and
>didn't want to wait a week to get together. 
>
>i have this sudden urge to come down with the flu.

wow, do you feel like that too? the thing is, i actually DO come down with
the flu, or a migraine, or whatever when i have a blind date. i have one 
this afternoon. and i am really interested in meeting this guy, it sounds as
though we have a lot in common. but my jaw is tensing up, and i can feel the 
faraway pounding in my temples. why? sine, let's just move in together and 
forget the whole thing.

>who, me? nervous? feeling impending doom?

heh. doomed as doomed could be.

bah.

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Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: Camus is my psychotherapist
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 04:58:12 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Reply-To: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)

duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard) writes:

> [...other stuff...]
>
> Negativity is the point, Jeanne Leidy.

No it's not. Robillard, you're simply wrong. Again.

There's probably a reason why you appear to be a voice alone in the
wilderness. It could be that you're the only one able to see the truth and the
rest of us are mere deluded fools, blinded to The Way Things Are. Or it could
be just that you're out of touch with everyone and everything else.

This isn't alt.negativity, or even alt.pessimism. It's alt.angst, there's a
difference. Your proto-heroes, the ones whose absence you mourn, usually got
that right. You have yet to.

						- k
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"Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb?"
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: s14442nb@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: Dorothy Parker
Reply-To: s14442nb@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 21:09:07 GMT

In article <winkern.25.0@columbia.dsu.edu>, winkern@columbia.dsu.edu (NANCY MARIE WINKER) writes:>
>Oh, is it, then Utopian
>To hope that I may meet a man
>Who'll not relate, in accents suave,
>The tales of girls he used to have?
>                General Review of the Sex Situation
>
>                     Woman wants monogamy;
>                   Man delights in novelty.
>                 Love is woman's moon and sun;
>                  Man has other forms of fun.
>                  Woman lives but in her lord;
>                 Count to ten, and man is bored.
>                With this the gist and sum of it,
>                What earthly good can come of it?
>
>Experience
>
>Some men break your heart in two,
>Some men fawn and flatter,
>Some men never look at you;
>And that cleans up the matter.
>
>Merry Christmas!
OK, nice one.  I'm sorry, but your gross generalizations of men and male
emotions/maturity are WAY off base.  Quite a few of us are rather nice, and 
have the attention level greater than that of a fly.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:15:35 EST
From: Therion <HZS@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: fuck the notion of *real* angst
 <DUKE.92Dec19114633@portal.paperboy.osf.org>
 <92356.095329IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET>

jo asks:

>alright, now i'm confused.... who am i supposed to check with before
>i know whether i have angst or not?? who's okay shall i obtain??

This reminds me a whole lot of when I used to watch cheesy horror and science
fiction movies and the scientists would always come to the question:

            How can we choose?  How can we play God?

I always wanted to jump up and declare: "Me! Me! I'll choose! I'll play God!"

                                                        Therion

preXmasAngst: $380 of car repair bills today.
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: time to go back
Date: 28 Dec 92 21:37:21 GMT
Organization: st. alfonso's pancake breakfast

well, i'm home from my parents' place. and it wasn't so bad. in fact, parts
of it were actually enjoyable. and i'm glad.
but now it's time to go back. to wonder whether i will be working this time
next week, to try and find out where my tuition money will come from, because
i don't make enough to both live and pay for school. there's a guy living
in houston that i've met over email who is willing to loan me the money,
but i keep thinking something has to be wrong, something will just have to
go wrong. i can't explain my feelings of dread over borrowing that much 
money from someone, let alone someone i've never met face to face. i feel
slimy, and i feel manipulative, although i never tried to manipulate him,
and he out of the blue offered to loan it, i didn't even think of asking. 
why is it that i have such a hard time taking things from people? several
people have offered to send me money when i've posted about my financial
situation, and it's always a complete shock to me, and i just can't take 
it, even though i could certainly use it. it must be the british stiff-upper
lip, the pride thing. is it wrong to be proud like this? i wouldn't even
take money from my parents at this point, i have to do this by myself. i'm
always hungry, but i'm not starving to death, and my clothes have holes 
in them, but they're clean, and i have a nice place to live, so i don't 
deserve charity. a lot of students live like i do. do people offer them
money a lot too? it doesn't seem like it.

why does this make me feel inadequate, incapable of dealing with life? 
why does financial trouble make me feel out of control? i don't owe
anyone any money (yet), but i feel as if owing will make me die, almost
drown in debt, in humility. 

bah.


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Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: singram@eng.auburn.edu (Scott Ingram)
Subject: Re: while driving home
Reply-To: singram@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:02:02 GMT

RE: Xibo's vision of his MR2

Xibo,

Personnally I'm impressed you made it to the `fast car' stage of
happiness.

But I've got a theory on the female.

Remember the last angstcon (Jeez I hope I'm not confusing you with kibo.
That would make me look like a real nimrod.)

Well, you posted about this girl in the nightie that wondered
if you were always so shy... maybe, just maybe, you should have
followed up on that spark of interest. She might very well have been the
girl in the car with alternate-Xibo.

Just an opinion.

Orion.
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: time to go back
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:54:10 GMT
Organization: st. alfonso's pancake breakfast

In article <machala.725644387@delphi> machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher) writes:
>rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) writes:
>
>>[talk about not having money for school deleted...]
>
>er, could you perhaps get a student loan? That's what I did. and I'll
>be paying for it the rest of my life:) seriously, I'm not sure, you being
>from Britian and all, but there are lots of instituitions who prey off
>unsuspecting students.  

i can't because my father still claims me as a dependent on his taxes, even
though he hasn't supported me since i was 17..

>>why does this make me feel inadequate, incapable of dealing with life? 
>
>to be frank, because you aren't dealing with life. you shouldn't have
>these problems if you were in control.

what do you mean, i'm not dealing with life? i'm here, i'm working every 
hour of every damned day for a pittance, and i'm paying my bills, and 
keeping out of debt, and i'm out of control? you didn't read it carefully
enough, chuck. i said i'd feel out of control if i were in debt. because
then, i'd have to be dependent on someone else..

>>why does financial trouble make me feel out of control? i don't owe
>>anyone any money (yet), but i feel as if owing will make me die, almost
>>drown in debt, in humility. 
>
>you are one in a million (this is probably statistically correct and not
>just another cliche'), rachel, because *everybody* is in debt. hell, I'm
>in for about 15K on student loans, 12K for a car, and about 100K for
>a house and will be in debt for the rest of my life. my existence is only 
>important to the bankers and the government, since they take all my 
>hard-earned money. 
>they just make sure I have barely enough to survive so I can continue to
>pay the mortgage and the taxes. 

is it wrong to not want to owe anyone aything? to not want to be in a position
of debt? it seems to me that your debt is constantly hanging over your head,
that you just can't get free because you'll be in debt for the rest of your
life as you said. that's the feeling of suffocation that i get a taste of 
when i think of borrowing money. i want my existence to be dependent on only
me. you owe the great american system for yours. you seem to be preaching
a lemming's approach..."everyone is doing it, so it must be ok" well, i
don't want to go hurtling to my death, just because i'll be alone if i don't.

bah.

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Newsgroups: alt.angst,alt.zippy.the.pinhead
Subject: Re: fuck the notion of *real* angst
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 06:27:23 GMT
Reply-To: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
 <1992Dec19.181204.26645@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> <1992Dec20.003551.3674@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan) writes:

> >I suggest you LOCK yourself in a room with a COMPLETE collection of Zippy 
> >COMICS and several GALLONS of CHEAP VODKA in high density POLYETHYLENE 
> >containers (CODE 2).  I feel that as a form of SHOCK THERAPY, this will do 
> >wonders to LIBERATE you from your MORBID fixation on WESTERN RATIONALISM.
> 
> And PLEASE, spare me the OBVIOUS RIPOSTE that without WESTERN RATIONALISM,
> we wouldn't have HIGH DENSITY POLYETHYLENE.

YOW! I'm having a FLASHBACK to a PREVIOUS LIFE as a POTTED EGGPLANT! Someone
PASS me the MUSTARD, I think it wants to TANGO!

						- k
-- 
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"Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb?"
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu (Paul Callahan)
Subject: Re: A Shocking Confession
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:19:25 GMT

PC Alert!!!
-----------

It has occurred to me (based on one e-mail response, which was not itself a
criticism, but which started me thinking), that my previous post could be 
construed as an attempt to trivialize the problem of unwanted pregnancy.  Let 
me point out that I currently practice the most effective form of birth control 
known (as you may have inferred from several of my postings).  For this reason, 
I am sometimes unintentionally callous to those fortunate ones who have 
problems I lack.  

I would like to point out that I *do* own a cayenne pepper plant, and that
the inspiration for the preceding posting came while hand-pollinating the same.
There are actually eight peppers on the plant, four of which have turned red,
providing a festive holiday display.

Sadly, I will not be enjoying said display, as I am going away in a few hours,
to spend the holidays at home.  I post this article in an attempt to prevent
my mailbox from filling up with complaints in the intervening time.

Apologies in advance, if such are required.
--
"I would rather be torn to pieces by the poison-clawed cat, than to suffer one
instant of acceptance by the resident intellectuals of rec.arts.books." 
     [slightly modified; attribution left as an exercise to the reader]
              -- Paul Callahan, callahan@biffvm.cs.jhu.edu --
Newsgroups: alt.angst,talk.bizarre