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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 22:22:00 +0200
From: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de (Rudi Ferrari)
Subject: Two more questions from the un-initiate
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
X-Comment-To: 901106c@ace.acadiau.ca (TIM CHIPMAN)
Organization: Magic Point of C.O.N. Project Cologne  *FRG* 



Hi Tim!

 > Hello yet again. Well, there remain but two questions which I have no
 > problems with network drives? How about problems with telnet-style
 > connections up to the local unix system? (either via ethernet card or
 > via null modem).

I have no experience with GEOS and networks, but normally, from Vs 1.2 on,
networkdrives are supported.

 > (2) How stable is geos when running Dos apps that use LOTS of memory,
 > and do tons of disk swapping? In particular, I am thinking of Maple ( A

Under GEOS, this program will run at dos mode, this means, GEOS swaps him
(her? ;-) -self out of memory! Only about 2K stays in memory, to reload
Geos (with the question DOS or GEOS :-), if the dos program has finished. :-)
I don`t think, GEOS would make any problem to that. (No, will not promise ;-)

 > Well... that's about it for now! Thanks again for all the help

Hope it helps.

bye
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From: andrzej@bnr.ca (Andrzej Bieszczad)
Subject: Re: This is great stuff!
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.,
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:55:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.044321.11229@bnr.ca> davev@bnr.ca (David Villeneuve) writes:


	I've got DR DOS 6.0 and have no problems running SSTORDRV.
	I wish I had GW PRO, but I've never been offered the 
	upgrade  :-(
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 23:35:00 +0200
From: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de (Rudi Ferrari)
Subject: GeoWorks' future (was An SDK in 1993, did he say?)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
X-Comment-To: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Organization: Magic Point of C.O.N. Project Cologne  *FRG* 


 > Maybe GeoWorks is making a mistake in requiring two machines for
 > application development; time will tell us that.  (Actually, from what
 > I've heard, a one-machine version of the debugger is on their list of
 > things to do.  Maybe they've gotten the message from folks like you.
 > :-)

But, already a lot of programmers do have more than one machine. So I do,
I couldn`t throw my old 286 away...

 > One thing to remember, though, is that GEOS is still an immature
 > environment.  This is just the first release of the SDK.  When Windows
 > was first released, what development tools were available?  Not much.
 > Joe User could run Windows but couldn't develop much for it.  With the
 > advent of products like PowerBook and Visual BASIC, the average
 > Windows user could begin to write the type of shareware apps you see
 > out on the local BBS.

THAT`s right. But nowadays, everybody likes to forget, how windows has
begun to be what it is now... :-((

 > I hope GEOS lives to see a similar maturity in development tools.  I
 > would dearly love to see a third-party release of some sort of
 > "GeoBASIC" or "PowerBook for GEOS" that an average developer could
 > use.

Well, we will do our best, aren`t we????  :-)))

 > BTW, the "Motif look" you evidently dislike is more a function of
 > GEOS' "specific user interface" than a function of the app itself.
 > Maybe when the SDK comes out you can write an Open Look UI for GEOS.
 > I'd be interested in seeing it.

Evenmore, at Geoworks, the OPEN LOOK UI already exists! (It seems to)
But it may not be released, because of Copyrights...

Bye
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From: jeff@eng.umd.edu (Jeffrey Frey)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Geos in ROM (Flash)
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:28:07 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park

Having given the philosophers a Field Day by initiating a
discussion on how GeoWorks may be the "operating
system of the future" FOREVER, I now solicit some help in
realizing my wish to construct the Notebook Computer
of the Future, but today.

Basically, the NCof the F is to be a 3V, under 1kg, machine
that runs GeoWorks Pro/Quattro Pro.  (Basically I don't use
QUattro Pro at the moment, but someone might want to).
The voltage/weight requirements mean only memory
cards can be used--at the moment, only 1M RAMcards or
4M Flash are really honestly available.  Actually I'm not too
sure about the 4M, no matter what Intel says right now.

So, think about putting GeoWorks into say 4M of Flash.  That
would be 4M that is not programmable on a 3V machine. 
That is, the basic programs would all be in Flash, but the
user-definable stuff ("Preferences") would all have to be
elsewhere--in a RAMdisk or another RAMcard.  Also, all files
created would have to go onto another drive than that
which holds the program (the Flash disk).  This must be
possible by defining something appropriately somewhere in
GeoWorks.

How?

P.S.  You might think that the NotF would be a Zeos Pocket
PC with an external trackball,  Good for a prototype, but
I would think a larger keyboard and a built-in trackball are
called for.  There's nothing wrong with a Notebook being
Notebook-sized--as long as it weighs under 1kg and takes
only 2 penlight cells.

Jeff
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: GeoComm Wish-listing (was Re: Zmodem)
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:10:03 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor) writes:

>>I'd like to point out that for all the finger pointing and scolding y'all
>>have done... I haven't seen very many attempts to ANSWER THE QUESTION. ;)

>Given GeoWorks' interest in what users are asking for, I'd guess that
>would put Zmodem support on their short list of must-have features for
>2.0.  At least it's on their not-very-long list. :-)

Coolness!  An answer from the FAQmeister is almost as good as an answer from
Geoworks themselves. ;) ;)

>My point here is that if GW is giving this kind of priority to GEnie
>users, they will certainly give a higher priority to a feature used
>not only by GEnie users but lots of other folks who use modems as
>well.

>I wonder if they'll do something cool like making GeoComm
>transmission-method-independent.  That way you could tell it you
>wanted to call some place via modem or TCP/IP and it would handle the
>transmission protocol automatically.  You could have your choice of
>file-transmission protocols: FTP, Kermit, Zmodem, ....  You could even
>run multiple telnet session by simply running multiple versions of
>GeoComm.  <Sigh> Oh well, at least I can dream.

Since 14400 modems will be used by people other than GEnie users, I guess
it'd be safe to expect support for those too.

I would _love_ to see an implementation of SL/IP running under Geos... and
a good X-windows/X-remote/X-term implementation would also be wonderful.
Only GEOS makes it possible.

[Why do I have the feeling I just stole someone else's slogan?]

-Shag
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		- Queensryche
From: teddy@ut-emx.uucp (Teddy Iglehart [Ted E. Bear])
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Internal ZModem in 2.0?
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:15:03 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

I was just wondering if GeoComm would also raise the baud
choices to 57600 instead of 19200.  When I want to seriously
download I have to leave geocomm to take advantage of my
v.32bis
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Seeing Banyan drives
From: FTHOMAS@AZ.intel.com (FLOOD THOMAS; 45692 SP1-83; PE IS MY LIFE)
Date: 14 Aug 92 18:37:36 GMT

This is a second posting as the first did not seem to go through.

OK, I've been listening in on this list since it's beginning, and I finally
have a question that I gotta ask. I'm using Pro here at work, and I am hooked
into a Banyan network. I can print to the network printers( BTW, printing to
the Apple NTX postscript printer is faster then to the HP  Laserjet II), but
Geos doesn't see the network drives. Now I see that several people can use both
Novell and Banyan drives. Is there something special that needs to be done, or
is network support supposed to be automatic? I would like to see the network
drives, so that I can cut back on my windows use.

						Flood
			
P.S. ( I've been preaching Geos pretty hard here, but the dearth of apps
make it a hard sell.)

Flood "yes that's my real name" Thomas
Intel MSPD --I'm not exempt, so nothing I say counts anyway!--
fthomas@az.intel.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: andrzej@bnr.ca (Andrzej Bieszczad)
Subject: Re: Product awareness, price-value IMHO
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.,
	<Aug.13.17.06.50.1992.20032@pilot.njin.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 05:07:16 GMT

In article <Aug.13.17.06.50.1992.20032@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:


	   Ensemble 1.2		$200			$50
	   Geoworks Pro		$200(?)			$50

I bought Ensemble 1.0 for Can $98.99.

I got an upgrade for Can $10.00 (TEN!) (Ensemble 1.0 -> Pro with
Quatro).  It was for my daughter's computer, so I do not care about
the spreadsheet too much (she does not know what a spreadsheet is).

   Note that Quattro Pro SE itself retails for $50. :)

Well, I can sell mine for $40.00. Anybody interested?

   So, I figure by now, I've saved almost enough by not having to buy
   new versions of things at list to go out and buy, say... "Word for
   Windows."

... and you would be running it under GEOS 8=) I thought that you guys
do not touch those other awfull and ugly systems.


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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 12:40:00 +0200
From: Rudi_Ferrari@con.fido.de (Rudi Ferrari)
Subject: GeoWorks' future (was An SDK in 1993, did he say?)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
X-Comment-To: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Organization: Magic Point of C.O.N. Project Cologne  *FRG* 


 > I think y'all are going to be blown away by the incredible power of
 > the system (especially if you realize that this is the first release).

That was already so, by the first version of Geoworks Ensemble, and I
do believe it will be by the first release of the SDK too. :-)
(After what I read in the prerelease SDK Documentation...:-)

 > But remember that WordPerfect made itself the dominant word
 > processor through word of mouth.

That`s right!!!  :-))  (Oh yes, I am a Worfperfect Fan! Nevertheless, I
use now GeoWrite for my correspondence :-)

 > At all levels (retail, street, and upgrades) I think that GeoWorks is a
 > wonderful deal.

Agree!

regards
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From: pechter@ocpt.ccur.com (Bill Pechter)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Internal ZModem in 2.0?
Keywords: John, you'd better say something.
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:32:05 GMT
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.,Information Services

In article <Aug.19.12.46.58.1992.18039@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>
>The problem with this [for me] is that I don't _need_ the creeping featurism
>that pervades Procomm+ and Qmodem.  

Try telix3.15 - all the features you want and it'll run from a floppy.
Heck - it'll run from a 360k the .exe is 252048 and the phone dir
and .key files are small.

I've asked Colin Sampaleanu (the author) about a Geos version - but the
Unix based SDK was a problem.  Perhaps in the future ...

Bill

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From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Product awareness, price-value IMHO
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 22:04:42 EDT
Organization: Berry Communications

sxfield@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

>                 The same was said about IBM's OS2 2.0, that they would
> practically have to give it away (and the SDK also), just to get it out there
> to the users. Well, they are just about doing that by offering an upgrade fro
> Windows for $49.

Not any more.  On August 1, the price of the Windows-to-OS/2 upgrade
rose to $79.  The DOS-to-OS/2 upgrade is still $99.

-- 
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**** Happy user of OS/2 2.0 ****        |     Nuclear Weapons"
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Loading Paradox Files in Geos...
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:48:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <1992Aug21.205058.7478@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> cyj9h@csissun12.ee.Virginia.EDU (Charles Y. Choi) writes:
>Using the unsupported feature in the geos.ini file to start DOS apps
>by double clicking on the data files created by them is great if the app
>normally follows the model of appname <filename> on the command line.  But
>what happens if there's no way to do this, where you have to start
>the app first, then open the file you want to use (e.g. Paradox, 123)?

You mean those programs don't have some kind of command line switch to load
up a file?  How silly.

>For Paradox you can write a script file to open the table you want to work
>on and start the script file, but I see this as a poor solution.  I've tried
>using key-fake to try to feed keystrokes - it didn't work.

If the DOS application won't take some kind of command line file
specification then (for now) you're stuck with the script solution as far
as I know.

Keyboard TSR's are completely useless with respect to PC/GEOS.  PC/GEOS
takes over the keyboard completely.

>Any comments or will I need to wait until Paradox for Geos?

Hey, it's never too early to start mail campaigns for PC/GEOS versions of
the software that you want.  :-)

Go wild,
	John
	johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	I speak for my self.  GeoWorks speaks for itself.
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: B&W bitmaps (was Re: What kind of bitmap...)
Keywords: Background stuff
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:11:41 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Net Digest

jaz@lucid.com (Jim Zaun) writes:

>You're done.  I don't know if Geoworks can handle 256 colors since our
>notebook LCD can't display these correctly.  Dot-dithered B&W backgrounds
>are more portable but not nearly as pleasing to look at.

Geoworks is [currently] limited to 16 colors, I believe.

I'm actually _more_ interested in Dot-dithered B&W backgrounds [like 
fullmoon] since they take less time to display than shaded ones.  I like a
background to be nifty in appearance, but it shouldn't slow down my system
in return. ;)

So far, my fastest _imported_ background is one I converted from a 16-color
VGA GIF, of Queensryche's "Operation: mindcrime" album cover.  It's mostly
black and white, so it displays quickly.  Not as quickly as fullmoon, though.

-Shag
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: GeoComm Wish-listing (was Re: Zmodem)
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:15:07 GMT

In article <Aug.19.14.10.02.1992.27100@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>
>Coolness!  An answer from the FAQmeister is almost as good as an answer from
>Geoworks themselves. ;) ;)

Heh-heh.  Just remember that I have no official connection with
GeoWorks.  Whatever I post here is just my best guess; if it's wrong,
then it's wrong.

I think that a PC/GEOS implementation of X, from either GW or a third
party, would make a *lot* of people sit up and take notice.  Just look
at all the attention being given to DesqView/X, and it requires
high-end PC to run on.  Let's see, who's a third-party vendor we can
convince to develop it?  Any suggestions?


-- 
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From: danh@ranger.cray.com (Daniel Hendrickson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: GeoWorks' future (was Re: An SDK in 1993, did he say?)
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:49:24 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.


In article <1992Aug13.161609.19939@mlb.semi.harris.com>, chuck@melmac.Harris-ATD.com (Chuck Musciano) writes:
> In article <1992Aug13.144709.5230@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor) writes:
>> .... [deleted]
> 
>      I understand that the beta will be restricted.  My complaint is that the 
> SDK expects you to have two machines, one for development and one for
> debugging.  This seriously restricts the use of the SDK by most people.
> 

I just recently read a blurb about the SDK that said two machines were
recommended, and were required if you wanted to run the debugger.  It
seemed to imply that you could do SOME development on a single machine.

>      I would also like to see the Sun development kit released.  I would jump
> at the chance to build apps on my Sun and run them on my PC.  Especially if
> they would lose the Motif look and move to OPEN LOOK.

A matter of opinion.  I would rather see the Motif interface.  I find it
easier to use.  Then again, maybe it's just that I don't like Sun.... %^)

> 
> -- 
> 
> Chuck Musciano
> chuck@trantor.harris-atd.com

Dan Hendrickson                   danh@romulus.cray.com
Cray Research, Inc.
Chippewa Falls, WI
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: Internal ZModem in 2.0?
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:53:56 GMT

In article <Aug.19.12.46.58.1992.18039@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:

>I'd like to point out that for all the finger pointing and scolding y'all
>have done... I haven't seen very many attempts to ANSWER THE QUESTION. ;)

Let me attempt to answer the question.  :-)  A year or two ago, when the
GeoWorks RT on GEnie was just coming together, they had an online Q&A
session with some GeoRep or other.  I seem to recall the GeoRep saying
that Zmodem support was one of their most-requested features for
future versions of GWE.

Given GeoWorks' interest in what users are asking for, I'd guess that
would put Zmodem support on their short list of must-have features for
2.0.  At least it's on their not-very-long list. :-)

One additional point is that GEOS 2 will evidently include GeoAladdin
(see the FAQ).  For those who aren't familiar with it, Aladdin is a
navigator program for GEnie.  If you have Aladdin, you can select
files for download, respond to e-mail, etc., offline and then tell
Aladdin to "do it".  Aladdin then signs on to GEnie and downloads the
files, sends your e-mail, etc., without human intervention.

My point here is that if GW is giving this kind of priority to GEnie
users, they will certainly give a higher priority to a feature used
not only by GEnie users but lots of other folks who use modems as
well.

I wonder if they'll do something cool like making GeoComm
transmission-method-independent.  That way you could tell it you
wanted to call some place via modem or TCP/IP and it would handle the
transmission protocol automatically.  You could have your choice of
file-transmission protocols: FTP, Kermit, Zmodem, ....  You could even
run multiple telnet session by simply running multiple versions of
GeoComm.  <Sigh> Oh well, at least I can dream.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: chuck@melmac.Harris-ATD.com (Chuck Musciano)
Subject: Re: GeoWorks' future (was Re: An SDK in 1993, did he say?)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:16:09 GMT
Reply-To: chuck@trantor.harris-atd.com
Organization: Advanced Technology Dept, Harris Corp, Melbourne, FL

In article <1992Aug13.144709.5230@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor) writes:
> Maybe we didn't read the same article.  The one I read said that they
> would restrict the release of the *beta version* of the SDK.  When you
> put out a beta version of a product, you don't release it to everybody
> on the street.  Instead, you send it to experienced people who will
> test it, put it through its paces, try to isolate bugs, etc.  

     I understand that the beta will be restricted.  My complaint is that the 
SDK expects you to have two machines, one for development and one for
debugging.  This seriously restricts the use of the SDK by most people.

     I would also like to see the Sun development kit released.  I would jump
at the chance to build apps on my Sun and run them on my PC.  Especially if
they would lose the Motif look and move to OPEN LOOK.

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