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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 28 Dec 92 12:03:20 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec27.203127.28921@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel):

> qualifies.  Besides, why would you want to have 486-specific code?  There
> are only a couple of new instructions in the 486, and they are pretty obscure.

    Ask the PKZIP people, one of the few PC companies who seem to care
    a lot about software performance, and now screwed on the spike of
    the Intel family and "compatible" PCs...

> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
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From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What's this?!?!
Date: 28 Dec 92 11:14:13 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <1992Dec23.065027.14168@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>What's this 'Guru Meditation'??  Is this the Amiga 'UAE'?  

Yes.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:46:21 GMT

jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Aric.Caley@ofa123.fidonet.org wrote:
>:
>: He's  talking  HARDWARE.   The  Amiga  hardware  allows  for true, multiple
>: screens,  in  a way thats different from any computer I have ever seen.
>:
>Yeah, yeah.  The Atari 400 could do similar things, although, of course, it
>didn't have a multitasking OS to take advantage of it.  The video display
>was constructed from a list of instructions, each of which could specify
>the resolution and pixel data address of a single line of graphics (or text).
>Add horizontal blank interrupts, and you can modify the palette after each
>scan line.  Interesting, but really nothing new.


     And interestingly enough, the original Amiga custom chipset was 
designed by some of the same folks who built the Atari...



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:56:49 GMT

In <1992Dec21.175003.22727@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Interesting statement, Philip.  The original PC had an 8088 CPU.  How does
>one write 8-bit software for a 16-bit (internal) CPU?

There's nothing in reality which is 8-bit,16-bit or 32-bit software.

People refer to iAPX286 protected mode programs as 16-bit software
and to iAPX386 protected mode programs as 32-bit software. The
'8-bit' name is an extension to that scheme and refers to 8088/8086
real mode (or virtual mode) programs. These programs aren't optimized
for 16bit or even 32bit memory cycles (by aligning code and data
accordingly) so that the name '8-bit' has some justification.

Regards,
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From: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 30 Dec 1992 15:43:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
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In a previous article, danaf@vccsouth26.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) says:

>In article <1992Dec19.180750.2820@seas.gwu.edu>, gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>|> papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:
>|> >In fact, if anyone was borrowed from it was the Mac, that was real
>|> >competition for IBM machines.  Nobody at IBM has ever, or will ever,
>|> >even notice the Amiga exists as far as competition or innovation goes.
>|> 
>|> True.  They just cover up the Amiga name with a convenient sticker...
>|> something like 'NewTek'.
>
>Like the fascinating Byte article from years ago, which displayed an Amiga
>with the logo airbrushed off - "To preserve journalistic neutrality." 
>
>..Never mind that on the facing page was a PC with the IBM logo prominently
>displayed....
>
>**SIGH**
>
>I don't think it's true that IBM (and, by association, the major PC 3rd-party
>companies..) doesn't know the Amiga exists. I think they will never acknowledge
>its presence in their closed-minded little worlds, but it is there. And I think
>the Amiga has played its part in the evolution of computing - fast, cheap 
>multitasking, great sound, and the true development of the desktop video 
>market. And if that is our small contribution to the computing community in
>general, I for one am content.
>
  IF you folks haven't figured it out- this is the way to fight someone:
IGNORE IT. This is the evangelical way of defeating an enemy. When you
ignore it or reap praise on it, you startle it and confuse it and they
don't know how to attack it. By ignoring it, you don't even give the enemy
a chance at the open battlefield, effectively shutting them up. This is why
Apple doesn't even consider Commodore a problem, also probably because the
products being released from Apple in 1993 and 1994 will shut Commodore
down in a few years.

 
>|> 
>|> -- Gerald
>
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gordos@ucunix.san.uc.edu (John Gordos)
Subject: Ignorant People -- PC Buying habits
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Summary: Ignorant People buy whatever "PC" their *friends* want
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 18:17:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.164241.16593@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Stephen King (king@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca) wrote:
>:
>: The people who know more-than-average about computer hardware and/or software
>: are more often the ones buying Amigas because they can see the advantages
>: of a truly superior system without being blinded by marketing hype. 
>:
>: People who know nothing about computers buy PCs. 
>:
>
>I love it when a fanatic's admiration for the
>object of his fanaticism grows into a similar admiration for himself.


This is crazy.  Lots of people who know lots about computers buy PCs.

Lots of people, however, buy the PC that their peer group wants them to
buy;  This includes Amiga Buyers as well as PC buyers.

The only ignorant PC purchase is the purchase of a PC that isn't useful.

By the way, I own a B2000 and a '486/33 running windows;  Guess which
one I'm using to compose this followup.

John

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Chunky Pixel Mode for Low End Chip Set?
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 15:06:14 GMT

In <Karsten_Weiss.0n36@ibase.stgt.sub.org> Karsten_Weiss@ibase.stgt.sub.org (Karsten Weiss) writes:
>PS: Don't tell me it is possible to code such stuff with compareable
>    speed on the current Amigas...


Why should one hide the truth ?

Regards,
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From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Date: 31 Dec 92 05:02:23 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <C03GDA.HoJ@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>...the Amiga does have some productivity software available, but no really
>good productivity software available.

	Marc, when will you learn to qualify your sentences instead of
making sweeping, false generalizations?

	You mean that there is "no really good productivity software" FOR
*YOUR* PURPOSES.  Whatever they may be.  Other people use the Amiga
productively just fine.  If there is no good productivity software, then
please explain how computer professionals have used Amigas for work
consistently for years and years and still enjoy it.  (I know plenty
of them.)

	Face it -- you bought the wrong computer, and you have nothing
better to do with your time than complain about it.  Four years of
complaining... that's a lot of time and effort.  You must enjoy it.

	Anybody with sense, rather than sitting around complaining, would
have moved on to another computer years ago.

                                                        Dan
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 21:55:47 GMT

In article <monster.05uh@mbear.apana.org.au> monster@mbear.apana.org.au (Martin Ozolins) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.155058.20344@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>> 
>> You're pretty much correct about that, but things are changing.  For example,
>> many DOS games now require 386SX and up (they use 32-bit code), and the
>
>I thought it was due to poor programming which needed a faster CPU to cover it up

You guys are hopeless.

>Martin Ozolins :Internet monster@mbear.apana.org.au
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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Date: 22 Dec 1992 16:08:27 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <BznG7z.HI5@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   I was your typical Commodore-can-do-no-wrong Amigoid for a long, long time.
>It took a lot to change me.

It must have been the time you covered yourself in animal bile and
stuck your tongue into an electical outlet that did it.  220V AC has a
way of changing people.  You went from positively-charged to
negatively-charged in a matter of milliseconds, I'll bet.

Greg


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:05:21 GMT
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John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:
:
: > So is your claim that a 512K Amiga can run "current feature level"
: > applications.  So my analogy holds perfectly, while you're just whining.
:
:     Absurd. A 512KB Amiga can and does run such applications.
:

Right.  You think a 512KB Amiga (with no virtual memory, of course), could
ever run something like Word?  FrameMaker?  Quicken?  Improv?  Paradox?
Falcon 3?  Ultima Underworld?  Think again, denizen.

:
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From: bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re:  Byte A4000/A3000T-040 Review
Distribution: world
Date: 31 Dec 92 09:13:01 CST
Organization: Society to Stamp Out Bogus Organizations

In article <1992Dec29.205344.601716@sue.cc.uregina.ca> plummer@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Dave Plummer) writes:
>Know what I think will save the Amiga?  Bridgeboards that cost the same as
>entire PC motherboards.  If I could buy a 386-40 Mhz bridgeboard, AND use
>a VGA card, and share my Amiga peripherals, I'd already have one.  Since
>I could buy that motherboard for $225, and a Seagate ST01 SCSI controller
>for $28.95, that's what I did.  I have to switch monitor cables to go
>back and forth between machines, of course, but it was cheaper than a
>bridgeboard. 

The AGA class machines shouldn't need a VGA card, since they already support
VGA quality displays.  I don't think a small premium for the bridgeboard
over a x86 motherboard is unreasonable.  Remember, you're looking at the 
low range of motherboard prices, and the bridgeboard prices are probably
still within the upper range of motherboard prices.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Byte A4000/A3000T-040 Review
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 09:49:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.004411.11737@serval.net.wsu.edu> boutwell@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Scott Boutwell) writes:
> >> o CBM forbids internal expansion by owners

> >It is incredibly stupid and
> >backwards for C= to void warranties because you told them
> >you opened up your computer (mine was an A3000).

> I was wondering when someone would address this issue...  Byte hit the
> nail right on the Head with this one.  Commodore should really listen to
> this one.

I think a lawsuit might be in order, since for a personal computer with slots,
opening it up to install cards is part of normal and expected usage. I can see
this sort of restriction on the 500 through the 1200, but on the 2000 on up
it's like voiding your car's warranty because you changed the oil yourself.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dfs5716@usl.edu (Seidel Daniel F)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:22:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.075616.4682@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.065457.16927@ra.msstate.edu> jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce) writes:
>> (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>>...or run text-based program from other floppy disks.  Can the Amiga 
>>>boot off a floppy?  Uh huh.  Then what do the vast majority of 
>>>Amigans do?  *Right*.  They swap disks.
>>
>>  Of course, they could do what I did to my Amiga, bought an external
>>drive. So both of my Amigas have an external floppy, much easier to move
>>them from machine to machine than ms-dog machines floppy drives. DJ.
>
>What?  What?  You know, for most people, most MS-**DOG** people
>(never mind the fact that we were talking about OS/2) booting from a
>floppy is done in *emergencies* when the _large_ harddrive isn't
>accessible for some reason.  And like a typical Amigan, you'll find
>*some* way to twist PC's (OS/2 or MS-DOS) use of harddrives into being
>a disadvantage because Amigas usually don't have harddrives to depend on.
>
>Woo woo.  Besides, Jimmy, many PCs have dual floppies *anyway*, so 
>your point is doubly-moot.

I think the original poster (I probably can't remember right anyway but here
goes) meant that OS/2 can do almost nothing if forced to boot off floppies 
while an Amiga can generally do just fine if you can stand to swap the little
disks...a fact that you should realize since you kindly pointed out that most
of the Amigas don't have hd's...kinda makes one think that mabye just mabye
many people find them useful without the need of the hd's that other systems
screech to a halt (well not really but at least are significantly crippled)...
Now MS-DOS is not particulary crippled by using floppies...but multi-task ahem
well you know the answere to that one......

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Byte A4000/A3000T-040 Review
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:42:41 GMT
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Stephen King (king@dciem.dciem.dnd.ca) wrote:
:
: People who use their computers as 'home computers' are not necessarily
: electronically ignorant.
:

That's right :-)

:
: The people who know more-than-average about computer hardware and/or software 
: are more often the ones buying Amigas because they can see the advantages
: of a truly superior system without being blinded by marketing hype. 
:
: People who know nothing about computers buy PCs. 
:

Ahhh...  There's nothing like a piece of truly classic Amiga Advocacy in the
middle of the holiday season.  That first paragraph above should be framed
and hung on a wall somewhere.  I love it when a fanatic's admiration for the
object of his fanaticism grows into a similar admiration for himself.

:
: End of argument.
:

What argument?
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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 24 Dec 92 11:13:55 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec22.075616.4682@usl.edu> by das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A):

> Woo woo.  Besides, Jimmy, many PCs have dual floppies *anyway*, so 
> your point is doubly-moot.

    Yeah, one 3.5" and one 5.25". Har har har!

> Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Portable GUI Builders and *YOU* (Call now!)
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:56:55 GMT

In article <Bzq1yq.6Iu@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
writes:

>I'm well aware of the existence of the AppBuilder project - believe me,
>it makes a difference (now if it were only *free* :) ), but the point of
>this is not to have an interface builder for the Amiga, it's to make
>people aware of the Amiga as a viable market.  If they're writing software
>on a PC with these systems, it's no sweat to build an Amiga version if
>they support the Amiga.

I appreciate your concern, but the viability of such a product is a bit
dubious. The effort must come from CBM.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cmd1@wuecl.wustl.edu (Chris Dunphy)
Subject: Re: Monitors for the A4000???
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:06:52 GMT

  I suggest everyone look into the Mitsuibishi Diamondscan 1381A.  It handles
every AGA mode fine, has NO centering problems, and can also handle
composite input.  I just got mine from Source Electronics for only $260,
so it is a good deal too.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:32:27 GMT
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Michael van Elst (mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de) wrote:
:
: >No offense, but although screens are a cute feature, I prefer windowing
: >systems, where each window can be dragged horizontally as well as vertically,
: >and applications have consistent user interfaces and know how to talk to each
: >other.
:
: Hmm. That would be a problem if screens were the only feature of the GUI.
: On the Amiga you have screens _and_ windows and wether programs have a
: consistent user interface or can talk to each other doesn't depend on
: being on an extra screen or not.
:

I disagree.  Why is it, then, that Amiga programs *don't* have consistent
user interfaces?  IMHO, screens are useful on the Amiga for two reasons.
First, they are a speed optimization, which isn't necesary on systems with
decent GUI performance.  Second, some applications need to work at certain
screen resolutions, and this wouldn't be the case if the Amiga had DIG.

:
: Michael van Elst
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