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From: dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Who are we?
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:25:49 GMT
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT

In order to stimulate discussion on this newsgroup, I would like to ask a 
couple of questions.

1.  What is your particular interest in the group?  ARe you a student, a 
fashion designer wannabe, someone who sews for a living (Cow Pattie comes 
to mind), or just interested for yourself?  I notice that quite a few of 
the posters are men, some of whom I already know from alt.sewing.

2.  What kind of fashion are you particularly interested in: historic, 
haute couture, what to wear to work, etc.?

3.  What happened to the young lady who posted asking for help with what to 
wear with her beatiful shawl?  Did anyone reply?  Are we interested in 
answering this kind of question?

It really helps to get a group moving and interacting when there is a 
mutual understanding of what others are interested in.  And it helps to 
keep the group from being all fire (flames) and not earth, air and water.

(I have been reading some of the past posting which are being kindly 
forwarded to me, and I will have some comments relating to them to post in 
the future.)

Meanwhile, folks, there's lots of interesting stuff to discuss and we 
should get going.

--Jill

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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller)
Subject: Re: Leather
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:23:10 GMT

> Mary Allison (mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu) Urbana, Illinois replies to 
>zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) question which appeared to 
be soliciting 'jollies':
>
>
>>I'd be interested in knowing about people's thoughts on leather,
>>particularly women's thoughts...  
>
>I think it's way too expensive for my tastes, but from what I
>understand many people that I know that wear leather wear it for one
>of two reasons
>
>1.  It's WARM
>
>2.  It's expen$ive, thus a status symbol.
>
>>I find it hard to believe a woman can put on a pair of leather pants
>>or a leather skirt and not realize that it radiates a sexy, animal
>>quality.   
>
>And I find it hard to believe that I keep forgetting how, at this time
>of year, all these NERDS come out of the woodwork and try to use
>usenet to get their jollys.  Please call 1-900-whatever (and if you
>need to check the number - watch late night tv).
>
>--
>If you saw a heat wave, would you wave back?
>  -- Steven Wright
>
>Catx2 Owned, Square Dancer, Leaper, Ballroom Dancer in training 

Um, yes, I, too, thought he was after jollies.

But, the straight question about how poeple feel about leather deserves 
some answer.
I have worn leather now and them, back in the seventies when it was the 
cool thing to do and it was NATURAL (as opposed to all the polyester 
doubleknit junk).  I don't think of it as incredibly sexy, maybe vaguely 
sexy, certainly much less than satin.  But it all depends on the kind of 
leather and the tightness of the clothing, etc. 

Maybe what's-his-name has a leather fetish.  It's not unknown.  Rephrase 
the question in reference to shoes and see how it sounds.

I think of leather as durable, as well as the other things Mary Ellison 
mentioned; maybe earthy (like Indians and frontiersmen?), practical for 
things that take a lot of beating, and it breathes and soaks up sweat and 
other earthy things that some find sexy.

I,personally, don't think it feels all that great to wear, but then I've 
never had the $$$ to buy real good quality.

Altho I am not in the animal rights camp, I suppose they see this question 
very differently, too.  Chaque un a son gout!

--Jill

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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: helen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu (Helen Rapozo)
Subject: Re: Some addresses/phone numbers
Organization: Honolulu Community College
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:22:22 GMT

In article <88132@netnews.upenn.edu> tdonovan@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Todd C Donovan) writes:
>Does anyone have the mail-order address or phone numbers for
>	Fredrick's of Hollywood
>	-or-
>	Victoria's Secret
>
>Either email: tdonovan@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
> or post to this group...
**************
Fredrick's of Hollywood phone number is 800-323-9525.


Honolulu Community College            cs_rapozo@hccadb.hcc.hawaii.edu
874 Dillingham Blvd.                  helen@pulua.hcc.hawaii.edu
Honolulu, HI 96817                    rapozo@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
Ph#: (808) 845-9202
From: zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Leather
Date: 9 Sep 92 02:38:44 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


I'd be interested in knowing about people's thoughts on leather, particularly 
women's thoughts...  I find it hard to believe a woman can put on a pair of
leather pants or a leather skirt and not realize that it radiates a sexy,
animal quality.  I wonder how women feel when they are wearing leather that
is very definitely sexy, and if they do not wear it for that purpose, then
why they do.

It seems from the fashion mags that leather will be IT this fall, and the
sexier the better.  (We're not talking bomber jackets and hiking boots here.)
And women are buying the stuff, no doubt about that.  What sort of signals
are they trying to send out?


John
zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
From: byrd@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Who are we?
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:40:53 GMT
Organization: Univ of Penn - Med School Computer Facility

In article <1992Sep15.142549.17565@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller) writes:
> In order to stimulate discussion on this newsgroup, I would like to ask a 
> couple of questions.
> 
> 1.  What is your particular interest in the group?  ARe you a student, a 
> fashion designer wannabe, someone who sews for a living (Cow Pattie comes 
> to mind), or just interested for yourself?  I notice that quite a few of 
> the posters are men, some of whom I already know from alt.sewing.

I used to sew but have little time for it now. My interest
in clothing hasn't waned, though.

> 2.  What kind of fashion are you particularly interested in: historic, 
> haute couture, what to wear to work, etc.?

Haute couture or simply ready-to-wear fashions. The latter
includes what to wear to work.

Let's just say that the fashion press and what's going in
the world of fashion and design is just as important to me
as any new computer hardware and software out there.

> 3.  What happened to the young lady who posted asking for help with what to 
> wear with her beatiful shawl?  Did anyone reply?  Are we interested in 
> answering this kind of question?

Sure. Why not.

[...] 

> Meanwhile, folks, there's lots of interesting stuff to discuss and we 
> should get going.

I couldn't agree more with that.



	Karen Byrd, VAX Sys. Manager
	University of Pennsylvania
	Medical School Computer Facility
	Philadelphia, PA 19104 (USA)
	Internet: byrd@mscf.med.upenn.edu
From: elef@smarmy.Corp.Sun.COM (elaine 'BEANO' leffler)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Leather
Date: 9 Sep 1992 13:58:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: smarmy.corp.sun.com
Summary: not just for fashion!

In article <1992Sep9.023844.9333@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:
>
>women's thoughts...  I find it hard to believe a woman can put on a pair of
>leather pants or a leather skirt and not realize that it radiates a sexy,
>animal quality.  I wonder how women feel when they are wearing leather that
>is very definitely sexy, and if they do not wear it for that purpose, then
>why they do.

i wear leather quite often because it provides decent protection if i
crash while riding my motorcycle.  i can't say it makes me feel much
like a sexy animal while riding down the freeway.....

elef


Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: petreman@cs.sfu.ca (Cheryl Petreman)
Subject: fashion design schools in Montreal
Reply-To: petreman@cs.sfu.ca (Cheryl Petreman)
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: CA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:44:49 GMT

Does anybody know of an english language college in Montreal
which offers a program in fashion design?

(petreman@cs.sfu.ca)
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Monday, 7 Sep 1992 17:11:54 EDT
From: K. Roper <ROPERK@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Sewing / Sealing Heavy Soft Clear Plastic
 <ANNE.92Sep3135247@dolores.Stanford.EDU>

RE Heavy Plastic (I don't know if it's the same stuff, but it seems
   to be ....)

 We just bought some at the local hardware store (i.e. Canadian Tire)
   for 99 cents (CDN) a linear foot.  It looks like it's about 5 or
   6 feet wide, but I haven't measured it yet.

 (*Why* Canadian Tire measures it in feet when almost everything else up
   here is in metric, I'll never know.)

 Kim
From: banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Renaissance Influenced Fashions?
Date: 10 Sep 1992 20:07:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


	I am looking for places from which to buy mens clothing in a more
extravagant style than found in most modern designers.  Is there any designer
or any place which specializes or dabbles (for that matter) in such clothing?
Ruffled collars and sleeves, wide blowsy shirts, etc, etc, etc.  I seem to have
been born in the wrong century and I am trying to make up for the mistake.

thanks.

-- 
The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn              | banshee@cats.UCSC.EDU       |
Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head?    |                             |
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From: jml@cs.bham.ac.uk (Jane Littlehales)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Leather
Date: 9 Sep 92 07:31:00 GMT
Followup-To: <1992Sep9.023844.9333@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Birmingham Univ. UK

John Grabowski (zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu) writes

>I'd be interested in knowing about people's thoughts on leather, particularly 

My thoughts (about other people wearing leather as I don't) are that the original
 owner would look a lot better in it.

Jane
From: mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Leather
Date: 9 Sep 1992 17:30:53 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu

zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:


>I'd be interested in knowing about people's thoughts on leather,
>particularly women's thoughts...  

I think it's way too expensive for my tastes, but from what I
understand many people that I know that wear leather wear it for one
of two reasons

1.  It's WARM

2.  It's expen$ive, thus a status symbol.

>I find it hard to believe a woman can put on a pair of leather pants
>or a leather skirt and not realize that it radiates a sexy, animal
>quality.   

And I find it hard to believe that I keep forgetting how, at this time
of year, all these NERDS come out of the woodwork and try to use
usenet to get their jollys.  Please call 1-900-whatever (and if you
need to check the number - watch late night tv).

--
If you saw a heat wave, would you wave back?
  -- Steven Wright

    Mary Allison (mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu) Urbana, Illinois
Catx2 Owned, Square Dancer, Leaper, Ballroom Dancer in training 
Xref: sparky alt.fashion:190 alt.non.sequitur:60 talk.bizarre:30054 alt.slack:2369
From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion,alt.non.sequitur,talk.bizarre,alt.slack
Subject: More of your favorite titles
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:24:37 GMT
Organization: Cornell Theory Center

In article 2927 of rec.sport.rugby, smaad@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr A Davies 92)
writes:

> Llanelli are currently leading the league by having scored more tries
> than Newport,  Swansea,  Neath and  Cardiff who are also on maximum
> points after just two games this season.  Llanelli have dominated their
> matches so far by playing attractive rugby, with their style of play
> being well suited to the new law changes. Next Saturday they will take
> on Newport at Rodney Parade, a match not to be missed !

Yes, but you can't deny the existence of at least a platonic relationship
between half of the Llanelli team and the Newport team. If you do, then
you run into serious problems, such as:

 a) the matter-antimatter coannihilation paradox;

 b) marriage counselors worldwide losing their jobs;

 and,

 c) a really bad case of herpes simplex v. 

You need to rethink your statements before you are forced to refute them;
we'll see about that match on Saturday, buddy boy.

mdw

-- 
Matt Welsh    mdw@tc.cornell.edu        +1 607 253 2737
Random Hacker, Cornell Engineering and Theory Center 
  "I'll eat anything that's BRIGHT BLUE!!"
From: byrd@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Looking for cologne
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:42:19 GMT
Organization: Univ of Penn - Med School Computer Facility

In article <hicks.10@utklib.lib.utk.edu>, hicks@utklib.lib.utk.edu (Jan Hicks) writes:
> Does anyone out there know of a department store, etc. which sells a cologne
> called 4711?  How about a mail order company?

I know that Caswell-Massey used to carry it. I don't know
if they still do. 


	Karen Byrd, VAX Sys. Manager
	University of Pennsylvania
	Medical School Computer Facility
	Philadelphia, PA 19104 (USA)
	Internet: byrd@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: ldonalds@nyx.cs.du.edu (Lori Donaldson)
Subject: Esprit Catalog
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 02:33:20 GMT



Could someone please tell me how I could obtain the most recent copy of
the accessory/clothing catalog from Esprit.

Thanks a lot!
ldonalds@nyx.cs.du.edu

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: More X-Calibur stuff
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:44:03 GMT

Geez...a couple of months back, I drilled an X-Calibur pearl.  I
didn't like the violent over-under reaction I got, so I "sold" it to a
friend.  Well, I was told that last night, he used my X-Calibur to
shoot his first 300.  I know he doesn't know about the net, but I'll
congratulate him here anyway.  Congrats Gary!  First night of league,
no less.  But since he still owes me for the ball, whadda'ya think 
I should get for it??? %^)

On a related note, I was also told that this center where the 300 was
shot is going to retrofit their ball returns to accomodate balls like
the X-Calibur and the Storm.  The manager said that these balls swell up
and give the Jet-Backs a hard time.  Also, that the center would not be
responsible for damage to this type of ball.

I've never heard of a ball swelling enough to play havoc on a ball
return.  I have noticed the Hammers to swell after drilling, but not
to where it would be outside of legal tolerances.  The manager seems
to be saying that these balls balloon up to illegal proportions.  Any-
one, like a Brunswick mechanic, know/heard anything about this?
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Sybervision video tapes
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6D27FF97B0C2631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 8 Sep 92 21:06:17 GMT
Organization: World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d8
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:12:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.181030.20430@hspice.portal.com> ,
gregw@hspice.portal.com writes:
>So, a coincidence?  I have often wondered.  Has anyone else out 
>there experimented with Sybervision?  I have never seen them for 
>rent here in the States, and the ones I see advertised in the 
>back of airplane magazines don't have the bowling tape.

Very wierd (sounds of twlight in the background).  Personnally I'd
chalk it up to a very wierd coinicidence...

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Bowling software
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6D36F6CBF102631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 9 Sep 92 14:07:56 GMT
Organization: World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d8
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:14:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.231723.17660@col.hp.com> Dave Fleck,
fleck@col.hp.com writes:
>
>the software is well written and additions are being made.  I have no 
>affiliations to Randy other than a happy customer....
>
>Dave

so there ya go!  And who sez you don't get good info off the internet!

-aki
Worldbank Wash. D.C.
e-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
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"How come the best ball for me is
always the one I don't own?
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: X-Calibur (Swelling out of proportion? NOT!)
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6D4DC6D76022631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:05:17 GMT
Organization: World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d8
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:11:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.140621.8422@pixel.kodak.com> Ben K Gibson,
bkg@ssd.kodak.com writes:
>Another Pet Peeve...
>
>All of these bowling centers have signs that say "Not responsible for
damage
>to plastic/Urethane Balls." BULL FECES! If a ball is gouged to the point
that 
>it cannot be sanded out, There is a problem with the machines or Flat
gutters,
>or kickbacks, or fiber edge gaurds, or ball return. Take these
proprietors
>to task. They are neglegent and should serve their customers better.
Now, a 
>reasonable settlement may be to fix the ball, especially if it is more
than a 
>year old, or if the damage is not on the ball track, or provide a
proshop 
>credit. 
>
>Ben


I agree 100% with Ben, I've worked in a couple of alleys myself.  If
there are
problems with the balls jamming up the returns, SOMETHING is definately
wrong with the adjustments....push them on this issue.

As for Ben's pet peeve..

In the houses that I worked (and others that I bowl in), the management is
pretty fair..if the ball was damaged due to faultly equipment, they'll
repair
it.  If it's a relatively new ball and it's damaged beyond repair, the
house
ate the cost and gave the bowler a new ball (same type weight etc) and
wrote
it off as a business expense...

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
*************************************
From: v051r9bf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (When will Mergle EVER shut up?)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Tactic vs. Strategy vs. Ethics vs. Legality vs. Fair Play vs....
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:55:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I have followed my dad's leagues for a number of years, and bowled in
ones myself.  My dad was in a typical electrical workers, friday night 
handicap league.  Numerous times, there'd be one team about 10 pins higher
in average than the others, and they'd bowl a suspect 20 to 50 pins below
their final averages for the first 10 weeks, only to pour on 225's and 1050
5-man team sets during the last 20 weeks.  Sometimes, other teams would
be overt enough as to bring actual sandbags, shovels, pails, etc.  to 
banquets to display their disapproval at this phenomenon.....

So my question and inquiry is this---

** What sort of sportsmanship is there in this?  Has anyone out there been
** either wrongly or righteously 'accused' of this?  How did you take it
** or what was your reaction?   

I bring this up with my knowledge of statistics and the attitude and work
ethic of a devoted bowler.  

Surely, the first few weeks can be 'test' weeks to ascertain lane conditions,
try out the new ball, etc... People have mentioned that good bowlers possibly
get rusty between seasons--I see more devoted bowlers practicing at 3pm on
July 25th than the 130avg bowlers who just go for the good time.  Besides.
How often does a 190-average bowler who clusters most of his games between
160 and 225  bowl repeated 140's?  

Everyone has their choice of how hard they want to try because they pay their
dues and abide by the rules.  I guess it's very clever to bowl 200's and re-
ceive 22->12 pins handicap on it about 10 times late in the season.  

It just seems to me that there is an overwhelming nonchalance and poor attitude
and bias toward to schmucks who go out and bowl 190 all year, only to see
the 185 average bowler year in and year out bowl 145 the first 15 weeks
and have his team win the championship year in and year out.  

Please, I am not refering to anyone specifically of this group---this has been
my observance for the past 10 years I've been bowling.  

If I had it my way, I'd make a league bowl scratch 15 weeks and then assess
handicaps based on those games for the 16th week.  

Whether it's deception, strategy, subconscious, calculation, or ethical; I'll
never know.  But in the sportsmanship and spirit of the game, I wish every-
one would try the best they could.  It's utopian and about impossible, with
drinking and other matters on bowler's minds.  But it would make for the
utmost in fair play.

.........................................................................

--Mergle                                William L. Priester Jr.
                                        V051R9BF@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu

Did I ride the line not to whine?
I am in defense of others---not myself!  

...........................................................................
From: locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Good Ball for *Very* Dry Lanes?
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:16:46 GMT
Reply-To: locke@caesi.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

Hi.

Like the subject says, I'm looking for suggestions for a harder ball for
*extremely* dry conditions.  I currently use a black u-dot and last nite
I couldn't keep the dang thing on the lanes.  I bowled 4 games yesterday
morning at the same house with fairly good results, but by the time my
8:30 league rolled around it was as if someone had sanded the lanes down!

So I've resigned myself to the fact that I need another ball for these
Sahara-like conditions that Gable House forces us to bowl under.  They
charge the scratch league members extra to have the lanes oiled before
their league!

Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Anne.

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