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From: stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: How 'bout a new group for the rest of us?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 00:45:43 -0500
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <Bxt9qr.D6L@ssesco.com> nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes:
>
>Anyone who is unwilling to share his ideas because of the fear of flames
>from snobish audiophiles is simply paranoid.  For every flame, he will
>recieve 20 meaninful reactions.  Please do not attempt to seperate this
>into multiple groups.  There is too much knowledge to isolate each other
>the way you want.

I would classify it more as a reluctance to post due to the highly
reactionary and often unintelligent and unrelated flames that are so
common.  I'm not sure that your flame/useful ratio is perhaps not reversed.
Perhaps within a more supportive environment where more people were
dedicated to achieving good sound with less yelling, more constructive
discourse could take place.  Actually I'm still in favor of the creation
of a rec.audio.DIY group, which I think would cater perfectly to the group of
people interested in achieving good sound through technical knowlege and
hands on experimentation rather than unlimited bank-books.  But that, I
guess, is a slightly different topic.  I did not mean in my previous
post that we SHOULD create another group, I just meant to say that there
is a community of people whose needs are not satisfied by the existing
rec.audio groups (but the world is an imperfect place).

>
>BTW:  rec.audio.high-end does exist.
 
I read it religiously, and find its talented moderation to add to its
value as a newsgroup.
-- 
   ______________________________________________________
   | Travis Stansbury, Yale '94  || 2358 Yale Station   |
   | travis@minerva.cis.yale.edu || New Haven, CT 06520 |
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From: cjlee@spock.usc.edu (C. J. Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Help: ReVox A77 does not record
Date: 18 Nov 1992 12:49:32 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spock.usc.edu

Hi:
     Last weekend I got a ReVox A77 from my friend which has been sitting
in the garage for years.  It looks quit clean.  The play back mod is
functional, but it will not record.  The reels and motor will stop when
the record and play keys are pressed.  I do set the other two 
``pre rec ???'' keys beside the meters first.  Do I miss something?
BTW, the indication light near the erase head suppose to be on all the time?
How much does it cost, if in good condition?

Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: bbaker@novell.com (Brad Baker)
Subject: Re: Funny ELITIST SNOBS
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:01:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.104325.22786@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu (BarryB) writes:
>OK, DUDEZ, LET ME FIRST STATE THAT I AM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH
>THE DUDEZ THAT WHO ARE FEED UP WITH THE HIGH-END ELITIST SNOBS
>WHO SIGNON TO THIS BBOARD.  THESE IDIOTS THINK YOU NEED TO
>SPEND A ZILLION DOLLARS ON A SYSTEM TO GET GOOD SOUND.  WELL
>THE JOKES ON THEM!  AND DON'T TELL ME I HAVEN'T HEARD A GOOD
>HIGH-END SYSTEM!  MY FRIEND HAS A $1000 SONY RACK SYSTEM.
>IT HAS BIG MOTHER SPEAKERS WITH 15 INCH WOOFERS THAT REALLY
>VIBRATE THE WHOLE ROOM!  AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF, THESE BABIES
>ARE RATED FOR 500 WATTS!!!  OK, SO DON'T GIVE ME THIS SHIT
>ABOUT NOT KNOWING WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
>
>TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, MY $200 SOUNDESIGN SYSTEM SOUNDS
>JUST AS GOOD.  THE BASS SOUNDS JUST AS BIG!  THE SECRET
>IS TO ADJUST THE BASS CONTROL TO MAX.  TRY IT ON SOME
>OF THESE CHEAPER SYSTEMS.  IT REALLY CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!!!
>ADJUST THE SYSTEM BEFORE YOU JUDGE!  GEEESH HOW HARD
>CAN IT BE???
>
>LATER DUDEZ.....


Hey....No posting of jokes on this newsgroup.
Funny stuff though...:-)

-Bako-
Newsgroups: rec.audio,aus.hi-fi
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Tape head demagnitizing...
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:08:08 GMT

In article <falcon.722207662@camelot> falcon@camelot.bradley.edu (D. Nathan Hood) writes:
>In <1992Nov19.151846.5162@tc.fluke.COM> strong@tc.fluke.COM (Norm Strong) writes:

>>The act of recording demagnetizes the record head.  If your deck uses
>>the same head for recording and playback--and if you do plenty of
>>recording--your heads will never need demagnetizing.  Of course, the
>>capstan and guides might.

>>If you have a 3-head deck, the playback head might very well need
>>occassional demagnetizing.  Just one of the disadvantages of a 3-head
>>deck.  

>what about a two-head (?) deck... separate record and playback... hte
>playback will be magnetized right???  i always thought that a magentized
>head just lowers response i don't know if the capstans have anything to do
>with it... will they change the magnetic coating on the tape??? i have
>never had this problem but...

A two head deck uses the record head to playback.   You have to have a
separate erase head.

However you can have a 3 head recorder with only two physical heads.

You can have a head with a record gap and a short distance away a
play-gap.   While it physically looks like one head it is two heads in
one container, as it were.

A magnetized head will partially erase the tape during plaback.   It
may take several plays before noticeable degradation occurs, but by
then it is too late.

Where you say you thought "it just lowered the response" what is has
done is erased the higher frequencies.   The highest frequencies lie
solely on the surface of the tape and will be erased first.

-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill@bilver.oau.org  bill.vermillion@oau.org
                - bill@bilver.uucp 
                - ..!{peora|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill
From: bobschulien@cup.portal.com (Robert John Schulien)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Infinity Speakers - Any Comments
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:44:55 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <jpc.721969821@avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov>

PETER TALAN BERGEN writes:
>     Has anyone out there had any experience with Infinity Speakers.  I have

Just to add my $.02 here.  I bought a pair of ES-102s a while back.  They
sounded fine for about a week.  Returned 'em and got the 103s.  These
had better bass and lasted me for about 5 years.  Now I've got a pair of
RS-8k s.  I love these pups.  The highs are simply spendid with sound
that covers the room.  It is nice to have people come over and say that
the sound doesn't 'come from a box' but instead 'from the whole corner over
there.'  I also love to have people bring over their speakers and A-B switch
them.  Not one (of 3) has left without a frown.  One person in particular
keeps asking me when I'm going to sell them to him cheap.  Hmmm, these new
Renaisance speakers look promising.  I'm dreaming here, but those suckers
have the planar mids too.  Anybody have any?
Bob Schulien      bobschulien@cup.portal.com
From: 2ftscorset@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Interface Digital Audio <---> Computer ???
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:36:05 CST
Followup-To: rec.audio
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <logan.722231192@nectarine>, logan@nectarine.ucsb.edu (Logan O. Bruns) writes:
> zilla@ccrl.nj.nec.com (John Lewis) writes:
> 
>>I believe the new macs (vx and performa600) can read audio directly off
>>of a CD, as well as control the CD as an audio player.
> 
> Does anyone know of any software, preferably PD, that will allow you to
> read audio data off a audio CD with a CDROM drive?  Also what format is
> sound stored in on audio CDs?

Let me ask perhaps an annoying question which is close to this:

Is there a way to accept analog audio in in real time (say from
a Microphone) , digitize it (or not), alter it in some way (say reverb)
and then pump it back out in analog to a speaker.  NO STORAGE INVOLVED.
Just in, alter, out.  

What do you say to that?
Pretty bad, eh?
I'm serious, though, please let me know!

Allen



Newsgroups: rec.audio,rec.music.folk,rec.arts.wobegon
From: thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow)
Subject: Re: Hi Fi VCR for taping audio FM? (Re: A Timer/Recorder for AM/FM Radio?)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:01:26 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <kosts.722544886@ursa> kosts@ursa.calvin.edu (Steven Koster) writes:

>	Well, I'm no expert on consumer equipment, but:

We noticed :-)

>	-An audio casette records at somrthing like 2 inches per second.
...
>	I suppose, if the logic holds, hi-fi audio at *SLP* (or EP)
>		speed is recorded at virtually 67 inches/second.
>	So, Hi-Fi is obviously higher quality, even at SLP.

This is irrelevant.  Hi-Fi audio is tossed into the video signal as
an FM subcarrier, so it behaves quite unlike the linear track.

>	But, please note, Hi-fi audio is recorded *underneath*
>	the video signal. SO, just to be sure,
>	Always record hi-fi audio along with some video signal.
>	I've no idea if it would work without a video signal.

It works fine.  You should refrain from giving advice unless you know
it to be true.

Rob T
--
Rob Thurlow, thurlow@convex.com
"I get so tickled debunking bad personal philosophy." - Milquetoast
Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: walshs@cs.uwp.edu (Steven Walsh)
Subject: TCD-D3 (Sony's portable DAT machine)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
Distribution: rec.audio
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:15:55 GMT

Sony DAT walkman for sale
-------------------------
Dimensions: 3 3/8" X 1 5/8" X 5 3/4" (WHD)
AC adaptor
Rechargable battery (lasts 2 hours)
Backlit display (blue)
100 times faster than cassette (search time)
Digital cable (optical) for digital masters
Mini jack to RCA plugs (gold)
***Includes a pack of 10 one hour tapes***
Short and Long play modes (16bit/12bit)

$500

Steven Walsh
walshs@cs.uwp.edu
(414) 654-4473


Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: kautz@research.att.com
Subject: Re: INFO ON SONY CASSETTE TYPE METAL SR NEEDED
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:08:47 GMT
Reply-To: kautz@research.att.com
	<1992Nov13.201033.9941@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com>
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

> In article <1992Nov10.021533.27373@iitmax.iit.edu>, keivjam@elof.iit.edu (James Keivom) writes:
> |> I use Sony Metal-SR tapes for recording off CD.  Would anyone
> |> have any comments on this brand of tape.  I'm beginning to 
> |> think that there are problems with it such as with handling
> |> highs.  Could anyone recommend another brand?

Have you tried Sony Metal Select?  I've been using them lately, they
appear to be identical to Sony Metal ES, but are only $1.99 each from
J&R Music World.  (I'm don't know if they replace the ES line, or are
some kind of parallel import.)  I've never heard distortion or loss of
highs using Select or ES, even peaking at +10 dB.
I agree with bushnell@lmsc.lockheed.com that it is important to reduce
the bias slightly --- the bias control on most low and moderate priced
decks does NOT work for the Metal IV position!  Check your owners
manual; if this is case with yours, you need to find a higher-bias
tape.  (Didn't some magazine have a report on tapes a while back, that
included information on bias?)
--
---- Henry Kautz

:internet: 	kautz@research.att.com
:uucp:		allegra!kautz
From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO!  (was: The end of cassettes,
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:45:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24225
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

In article <1992Nov17.231246.137@nas.nasa.gov> fineberg@nas.nasa.gov writes:
>I think he's partly right.  The fact is that the loss from compression is only 
>where the information content of the signal is greater than the tapes capacity. 
>After the signal has been reduced to a signal that can be stored on the tape 
>(i.e., after the first time it is compressed), all further generations should
>be exactly the same.  
>            _______________			   _____________
>
>Signal  --> | compression | --> signal on tape --> | expansion | --> tape output
>            _______________                        _____________
And I know you'r both being silly.  You've already stipulated that
something is "lost" in the first encoding.  Therefore, since the
compression algorithm is (well known to be) responsive to the
input signal, the second compression HAS to be different.  
It is different.  It adds 3dB more noise.  The 4th costs at least
another 3dB.  The 8th another, and this if everything works at the
best possible fashion.

A simple study of lossy compression, say as in Jayant and Noll,
should suffice to show you why your presumption is wrong.

Don't forget that in addition, the added noise (that's what the missing
information is manifested as) requires bits to encode the noise,
so the degredation process is actually much faster.

This is elementary quantization theory.
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Newsgroups: rec.audio
From: ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec)
Subject: Re: DCC -- JUST SAY NO!  (was: The end of cassettes,
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 04:41:30 GMT

In article <24221@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch) writes:
>In article <27617@oasys.dt.navy.mil> curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch) writes:
>
>>Yes you must.  But you don't explaing why you think this.  I don't expect

>>Are you thinking that the first generation will compress the data by
>>throwing away 80%, so therefore the second generation must throw away
>>another 80% of the 20% left, leaving only 4% of the original music?
>That's a pretty silly way of looking at it.
>
>>If this is your thinking, then here's mine.  The first compression
>>will remove 80% of the information, but the second time through the
>>system, almost nothing will be removed, because it was all removed
>>in the first pass.
>That's absolutely wrong as well.  Think if of it this way:
>The first compression will add some amount of noise.  The second
>will add the same amount of noise, although perhaps not
>in the same places (the compression has enough effect on
>source statistics that the psychoacoustic models may not
>be quite the same), and as a result there will be twice as much
>noise in the second copy, for another 3dB loss in masking
>ratio.
>
>Enough of these losses (how many are needed depends on the
>difficulty of the source material you use) and you will surely
>hear noise, and lots of it.
>
>Again, I refer you to the CCIR Study Group 10 test on
>tandeming for the CCIR digital audio compresson standard.
>The documents from CCIR should be in the public domain soon
>if not already.

>>If you have some evidence that multiple generation copies will be
>>bad, please let us know about it.  If you don't, please stop passing your
>>theories along as if they were facts.


As head of one of the labs that did the CCIR Study Group 10 tandeming
tests, and as one of the principal authors of the reports, let me
assure you there is progressive loss with tandeming (i.e. with multiple
passes through lossy psychacoustic algorithms)
-- 
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Ted Grusec - Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Ont., Canada
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Recoton MTS Decoder for sale
From: Willie Sanchez <PCZBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 16 Nov 1992 12:33:39 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I have a recoton MTS decoder in perfect working condition for sale plus docs.
Decoder has mpx input (if your tv has an mpx output) or a pickup that can be
used in tv to pick up audio signal. Has noise reduction, simulated stereo (if
not true stereo signal), and a 'wide' setting that enhances stereo to make
speakers sound farther apart. First $100 takes it.
From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: ELITIST SNOBS
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:48:09 GMT
Organization: SSESCO

In article <1992Nov15.104325.22786@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu (BarryB) writes:
|> OK, DUDEZ, LET ME FIRST STATE THAT I AM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH
|> THE DUDEZ THAT WHO ARE FEED UP WITH THE HIGH-END ELITIST SNOBS
|> WHO SIGNON TO THIS BBOARD.  THESE IDIOTS THINK YOU NEED TO
|> SPEND A ZILLION DOLLARS ON A SYSTEM TO GET GOOD SOUND.  WELL
|> THE JOKES ON THEM!  AND DON'T TELL ME I HAVEN'T HEARD A GOOD
|> HIGH-END SYSTEM!  MY FRIEND HAS A $1000 SONY RACK SYSTEM.
|> IT HAS BIG MOTHER SPEAKERS WITH 15 INCH WOOFERS THAT REALLY
|> VIBRATE THE WHOLE ROOM!  AND TO TOP IT ALL OFF, THESE BABIES
|> ARE RATED FOR 500 WATTS!!!  OK, SO DON'T GIVE ME THIS SHIT
|> ABOUT NOT KNOWING WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
|> 
|> TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, MY $200 SOUNDESIGN SYSTEM SOUNDS
|> JUST AS GOOD.  THE BASS SOUNDS JUST AS BIG!  THE SECRET
|> IS TO ADJUST THE BASS CONTROL TO MAX.  TRY IT ON SOME
|> OF THESE CHEAPER SYSTEMS.  IT REALLY CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!!!
|> ADJUST THE SYSTEM BEFORE YOU JUDGE!  GEEESH HOW HARD
|> CAN IT BE???
|> 
|> LATER DUDEZ.....

Ya know even without the similies, I have to believe this guys
is joking.  Ya had me going for a few seconds dude.

-- 
William R. Nau
Supercomputer Systems Engineering and Services Company (SSESCO)
511 11th Avenue South, Suite 216
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415-1536
(612) 342-0003

nau@SSESCO.com
From: kim@Software.Mitel.COM (Kim Letkeman)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: Infinity Speakers - Any Comments
Date: 16 Nov 92 12:53:41 GMT
Organization: MITEL Public Switching, Kanata, Ontario, Canada
In-reply-to: ptb2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu's message of 15 Nov 92 00:30:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.003059.57633@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ptb2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER TALAN BERGEN) writes:

| Inifinty covered the repair and charged me nothing.  According to
| their customer service department they only cover the product if it
| was deffective, while they refuse to admit that they were defective,
| they must of been, if Infinity covered the repair.

Since you blew three tweeters, it's much more likely that you were
misusing your source or had an under powered (read crappy) amp that
you were turning up too high. I would suggest that Infinity was more
likely being nice to you.

| While I am not impressed by the speakers themselves, especially the
| quality, I do have to admit that I am impressed that they honored
| the warranty.  I would not recommend the lower model Infinitys, if
| you already have them, don't worry, Infinity stands behind their
| product if you argue enough.

Maybe Infinity just succumbed to your incessant arguing. The saying
"the squeaky wheel gets the grease" wasn't just dreamed up by someone
looking for a new cliche. It really works.

| P.S. All of you who have the high end Infinitys I don't want to hear
| any SH*T from you like I did after the original post.

Your original post deserved what it got.
--
Kim Letkeman	kim@Software.Mitel.COM
From: wdh@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (W. David Higgins)
Newsgroups: rec.audio
Subject: Re: HELP! Info on MD and DCC
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:21:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: grouper.1992Nov22.152117.6016
Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL

In article <7490256@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:
>
>> 
>> So, where'd the oboe come from?
>
>Considering the sound, could it be......SATAN??!???!??!?!!!!!   :-)
>

Considering an oboe is a fiendishly difficult double reed instrument,
you're probably right.. :-)
Newsgroups: rec.audio,ny.forsale
From: dong@phage.cshl.org (Benhao Dong in Krainer Lab - CSHL)
Subject: Denon Receiver for sale
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Lab, Long Is New York
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:41:17 GMT

A 2 yrs old Denon receiver is for sale. 40 watts per channel; drives 2
pairs of speakers; CD/Tape/Phono/Aux inputs; 16 stations preset. It was
rarely used, and is in perfect condition in and out. I bought it for 
$280, now ask for $140.

Please email me 'cause I don't check the group often.

-ben-

From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 15:23:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Digital Amps -> next???
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.audio

>
>That's exactly what I thought.  I don't expect them to sound better
>than a pair of $1000 Infinity or whatever but they just don't
>sound right.  There is more BASS than I can handle but when it
>comes to high and mid-range ... :( 
>
>> Tell us more about your room and the placement of things.  BTW, how
>
>----------------------------- WALL -------------------
>                                                     |
>           left speaker   stereo rack  TV   right    | 
>                                           speaker   |
>                                                     B
>   K      ***********                                l
>   I      ***********                                i
>              Heater                                 |
>                                                     |
>----------------------------- WALL -------------------
>
>Distance from ...
>
>Wall to speakers: 10 inches
>Left speaker to right speaker: 7 feet 
>Left speaker to sofa1: 1 foot
>Speakers to sofa2: 7.5 feet
>Right speaker to blinds: less than 1 foot

Most speakers from what I've learned, like to be between 2 and 4' from
the back wall.  Less than 2' and the bass can get boomy.  I'd pull your 
sofa back another foot and move the speakers forward 1 foot.  Moving
my speakers from flush to 2' from the wall helped them sound better and
imaging went WAY up.

Another thing is power amps.  Did you use the same power amp in the 
store as you are using at home (or one of similar power and quality?)

Kirk out
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