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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:50:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan12.225008.6472
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <C0rDI0.EtB@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>I find this argument astonishingly naive.  History has spoken, and it
>spoke at Stonewall.  If you or anyone else can suggest a single event
>that was even comparably significant with respect to gay liberation in
>the same way that Stonewall is, then we have a debate.  Otherwise,
>those 5000 years don't add up to bullshit.

Speaking of astonishingly naive...  Stonewall didn't happen in a vacuum,
you know.

If someone had asked me what the reaction here to someone exhibiting
insufficient reverence for the Stonewall event would be, I would not
have been more wrong.  The insufferable ex-cathedra pronouncements of
what _shall be_ important are pretty amusing to read.  And the notion
that moving Pride Day to the nearest weekend to the date of Stonewall
is OK, but not any further, makes me think of the Old Believers.

Maybe we should keep track of "head of the pin" discussions.
This is one of 'em, fer sure.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:28:49 EST
From: Naz Reyes <NAZ@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne


Ok, here's my personal observations...

Eternity's the most popular around girls (depends on how you want
to define that...hehe)

Obsession makes me puke.

Aspen is one of the tolerable cheap colognes.

Fahrenheit smells like a combo of grapes and CUM :-)

Cool Water is just cool.

Old Spice, Brut...ugh
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From: tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt)
Subject: Re: REQUEST: MOW Update & # for Official Travel Agents
Organization: The Flood Group, Inc.  Torrance, Ca.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 08:05:07 GMT

christie@porgy.dfci.harvard.edu (Linda A. Christie) writes:
| Can anyone familiar with D.C. and its environs kindly
| supply some information about camping possibilities for
| the March?  We're now entertaining the idea of tenting
| due to limited funds (3 out of 4 are full-time students).

The problem with camping is that when you get out of the
urban/suburban area to where you'd find a campsite, you're
pretty far out of reach of easy public transportation to
get you into the city. Of course, splitting a car rental
among 4 people is cheaper than getting hotel rooms at
Washington rates.

There are several campsites along Skyline Drive (Shenandoah
National Park) and April will be a beautiful time of year
to be there. However, you will be driving probably two
hours each way between your campsite and downtown DC. There
is a 5$ per vehicle fee for entry into the park, which is
good for 7(?) days if you keep your receipt. There may also
be a campsite fee, but I don't recall. (National Park Service
could tell you.)

There is also some kind of camping site / lodge on the
Appalachian Trail, in the Blue Ridge mountains between
Route 50 and Route 7. That would be slightly closer in
than Skyline, but not much.

There is a National Park at Great Falls, which would
be closer in (you'd still need a car), but I don't
remember any campsites there. You might double-check
that though.

I don't know about the Maryland side, but I suspect you
wouldn't get too much closer, unless there's something
in the park along the C&O Canal, but I don't recall seeing
any camping there.

Good luck, and see you there!

-- 
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:14:26 GMT

The neatest perfume bottle I've seen lately is the container for
Donna Karan New York Parfum; it's kind of a cross between a bird
and a gilded penis.

(I don't buy scents because I don't have taste in scents. If it's
a perfume, I don't go 'Eww!' or 'Ooh!', I merely think 'Oh, a smell'
and move on. I can't pick out a favorite because all such things
strike me as variations on the same thing. I'm so hopelessly
uncultured... is there a way to learn how to pick scents, besides
going to a perfume counter with someone knowledgeable about such
things and having them explain?)

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Glendale
Date: 8 Jan 1993 14:10:48 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan8.195233.3050@gordian.com> 
mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
> In article <1993Jan8.171613.22010@spdcc.com>,
> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> > In article <1993Jan8.162139.19231@spdcc.com> 
> > joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
> >>And, after all, aside from having Dinah Shore sing
> >>in a sleepy, narcotized voice about Glendale as "Glendale Federal',
> >>and being the place where Joan Crawford escaped /from/ in "Mildred
> >>Pierce", it really doesn't have a lot to say for itself, or to be proud of.

To be fair, Glendale does have the Brand Library and
the delightfully looney Forest Lawn.
 
> > Doesn't it have the largest Armenian community outside of Yerevan?  Yum.
>
> I thought that was down by the Fairfax district, but I could be wrong.

There's no Armenian community in the Fairfax district.  Fairfax,
always a Jewish area, is in the process of being taken over
by the followers of Rebbe Schneerson and will soon look like Mea
Shearim, I fear.  I'm not sure how large the Armenian community 
of Glendale is, but there's a huge community in East Hollywood.
The area from Hollywood to Santa Monica between Western and 
Vermont is almost entirely Armenian.

Arne
From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Funding Cut for National Gay Teen Hotline
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:32:01 GMT
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"Funding Cut for Gay Teen Hotline" United Press International (01/06/93)
     Indianapolis--A national hotline for gay and lesbian teenagers  
based in Indianapolis, Ind., will experience federal funding cuts that 
will significantly reduce the number of calls it can handle. Christopher 
Gonzalez of Indianapolis Youth Group said the timing  is unfortunate 
because demand for the service has been growing.   The hotline is 
intended to assist AIDS patients and to educate  others on how to 
prevent HIV.  Indiana's cuts total $220,000.   The hotline acquired 
$32,000 in federal funding in 1992, but will get only $10,000 in 1993.  
Gonzalez said his organization  expected that there would not be a 
repeat of a $20,500 grant it  received last year, but the additional 
reductions in funding were a surprise.  He said the counselors have been 
receiving about  1,000 calls a month, but now the group will only be 
able to  handle about 700.  Aside from the hotline, the group offers  
education and outreach programs to adolescents.  Gonzalez said  teens 
have the largest need for information on AIDS. 

   
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From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Calculiform, androgenerational, miscegeronal
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:29:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan5.172910.12216
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan5.121815.15239@infodev.cam.ac.uk> Ralph.Becket@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.112023.5929@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>>
>>Reminds me: I'm still looking for the name of the trope in
>>which the thing named is an example of itself.
>>
>
>The word is "ontological" and it's opposite is "heterological". For
>example, "big" is heterological, whereas "word" is ontological. This
>leads to the interesting paradox as to whether the word "heterological"
>is heterological or ontological.
>
>Just my tuppenyworth contribution.


Not worth a lot nowadaze, babe, 

"Is this the ontological question I see before me,
 the existential crisis pointed at my head?
 Come, let me gest thee."

From "The Bard Doesn't Live Here Anymore", by Shakespeare's Twisted Sister.

My question (non-ontological) is whether the trope is autologous or
homozygous. 

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
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From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Costner plans Colorado Filming
Organization: insert anything here
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 23:05:13 GMT

In article <35@bbx.basis.com> scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:
>In article <1993Jan3.153820.16353@nmt.edu> jefu@nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) writes:
>>On the TV news the other night they said that New Mexico is going to
>>try again to get a gay rights bill through the legislature.  This
>>was tried two years ago and failed.

>I believe we at least have a state government anti-discrimination policy
>for sexual orientation.  This affects not only government hiring but
>also any business wanting state government contracts.  I heard this
>was in effect when Tony Anaya was governor.  

	Tony Anaya put forth an executive order claiming anti-
discrimination of rGBLO*-folx in NM.  That order has never
been put to the test --- certainly there have been instances of
discrmination since then.

	The bill that was set up two years ago had the support of
the council of churches (and most importantly the
diocese of Santa Fe!), until there was a change int he local Episcopal
bishop who was against it.  It will be interesting to see if such
support can be put together this time, given CO:2 as an example
that might lead people to not consider it.

	Also - if there are things afoot has anyone in Albq.
remembered that there is 200 miles of state south of Albq?
I ask this because the entire 4 years I was there not once
did the resource guide for NM list ANYTHING existing south of
Socorro, even when given lists of things in Cruces, Deming, 
Silver City, Alamogordo, Carlsbad, etc.  All calls went unanswered
as well.  I suggest that if people really want to try and push thru
a GBLO*-rights bill that they get queers from all over the state.
Also the current mayor of Las Cruces was a state senator for some
time (no, wait rep.) --- Ruben Smith (am I getting this name right?)
who is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY gay supportive!  If the people
at the community center  on Tulane (Common Bond) aren't pulling him in
for this, they are shooting themselves in the foot.

BBC
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:30:17 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <73286@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton  
Madison) writes:
> Ken Dykes writes:
> >biker looking dude (approx a B8 f+) wanders in to drugmart towards  
pharmacist.
> >accessorize biker with leather and helmet in hand.
> >a couple other customers are within earshot.
> >biker says in not-a-wisper to pharmacist essentially:
> >  i have crabs that _just wont_ die.

> >i know it's a silly insecurity at a drugstore, but the way i handle
> >insecurity is theatrically.
> >i still dont know if the pharmacist's suppressed grin was at my  
statement
> >itself, or the fact she had a much better view of the other customer's
>reactions.
> 
> [hee hee hee hee hee hee....]
> It may be silly, but I went through the same thing the time I
> had to buy the Nix. Of course, I didn't have to have the
> consultation with the pharmacist -- I just browsed the boxes on
> the shelf, trying not to be noticed looking at *that* *stuff*.

*I* just sent my bear-slave trudging up to the drug store on my behalf.  
Since it was me that gave the crabs to him, having caught them from God  
knows who, I'm surprised he didn't rebel.

I knew then that he really *was* loyal.  :-)

-Anthony
From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: re: "In the Life"/Cay Comedian/Military Ban
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:09:56 GMT

> Date: Tuesday, 5 January 1993 14:48 PT
> To: amdahl!news-soc.motss@juts
> From: Rich.Bellacera@CCCMVS
> Subject: "In the Life"/Gay Comedian/Military Ban
>
> Three Queer queries ;-)
>
> 1.  On Wednesday December 30th I caught the tail end of a show on Channel 9
> (KQED) that came on at 10:30pm.  It seems to be a gay positive variety show
> with some very serious supporters.  I wish to know more about this show and
> hope someone out there can inform me (and whomever else might be interested)
>
> What I do know is that it apparently is only telecast once a month but I do
> not know where it is filmed and what the entire premise of "In The Life" is.
> Is it possible to get ahold of back episodes?  How long has it been running?
>
> 2.  I saw a gay comedian who has appeared on MTV's comedy show and is very
> open and frank about his orientation (despite his predominantly het audience
> This same comedian appeared during the last few minutes of the above mention
> "In The Life" episode.

OOoooops!  I forgot to ask:  Who is he and what else can you tell me about
him?

> 3.  I have heard that on January 21st Clinton will be officially signing the
> order to remove the military ban against homosexuals.  Can anyone confirm
> this and what exactly are the implications of the signing of this disban?
> For example, what does the law mean?  Will gays now have to proclaim their
> orientation upon enlistment?  Will the section on the enlistment form be
> officially removed?  What?
>
> Thanks for your help.

  -Rich
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: race based fetishes
Summary: Irrelevance Alert!
Keywords: pedantry, grammar, just joking
Date: 9 Jan 93 11:57:44 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1993Jan9.021640.5486@cs.brown.edu>,
atropos@netlab.cis.brown.edu (David O'Donnell) writes:
> I have, in my "life", put out four personals.
> They all, to one degree or another, said something to the effect of:
> 'If you're someone who finds "no fats/fems" or "Blonde/Blue" or
> "Young and Hung" to be a necessary requirement, then I don't want you.
> But if you *are* looking for someone who you can have an intelligent
> conversation with, laugh with, share some time -- good AND bad --
> with, then I'd like to hear from you.'

Presumably, you weren't interested in grammar queens, then? :-)

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*crib-biting* in horses, a vicious habit of biting the manger, etc.,
and swallowing air" -- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ellen Degeneres
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:33:15 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1993Jan11.033424.17349@samba.oit.unc.edu> czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:

>I went to Atlanta for New Years, and the people that I stayed with told me
>that they have seen Ellen Degeneres with her girlfriend in Incognito, a
>women's bar owned by Elton John.  I remember someone asking about that before.
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I saw Ellen DeGeneres at a local (strayt) comedy club several years ago,
so I know she worked the Southern comedy circuit.  The same for Paula
Poundstone, Pam Stone, and Brett Butler.  I've not heard of any of them
being spotted at a _specific_ bar, just FOAF stories of "guess who I heard
was out last night/weekend?" without any locations stated.

The ownership is news to me.  I've lived in Atlanta for almost 9 years, 
Incognito's been open for about a year and a half, and this is the first 
I've heard that this fair city's most famous queen owns a womyn's bar (and 
anyone who doesn't think E.J.  qualifies for the coveted title "queen", 
well,...never mind ;-).  With all the gossip-mongers in this town (two
gay newspapers, along with three gay "bar rags", adds up to a boatload
of __nosy__ queers) one would have thought "Elton John owns a bar" would
have been mentioned, even obliquely, but I guess not... :-(

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Another Epithet Discovered (was Re: Do hard times cause hate?)
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:10:27 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison

In article <1993Jan10.234511.3327@quantime.co.uk>
roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:

>Now, something I've noticed here in the last year is a
>tendency to use the word "epithet" as if it necessarily
>meant a deprecatory term, rather than just a neutrally
>descriptive label (as I understand it to mean).  Am I
>imagining this?

Not in my case, at least.  When I use the word without
other qualifiers, and outside of scholarly contexts,
I intend it to imply a depreciatory term.

As a term of literary scholarship, the word means more
than simply a descriptive label; the description it carries
is in some sense a characterization of the person or thing.

The negatively associated usage seems to be gaining in
popularity, and according to the AHD's Usage panel, is not
incorrect.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
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[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
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From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:29:51 GMT

coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>And people *pay* this?

No dear, some raid the small toilet-kits handed out to their fathers on their first-class plane-trips. Or get it as a gift based on the use of the samples.

							FJ!!
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "The Crying Game"
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:23:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1993Jan6.222302.3331
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <C0Ctz9.Bro@panix.com> mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>Tee hee.  That's fine.  Nobody would describe "Deathtrap" as a 
>moral film.  At least I hope they wouldn't.

Oh, I don't know, it taught me something. I was probably about 13 when
I saw it, and the spectacle of Christopher Reeves and Michael Caine
kissing.. sigh.

Michael Caine was here in Portland recently, signing his
autobiography. He really is quite attractive. I thought about walking
up to him and saying "I just loved you in Deathtrap", but I seem to
remember he wasn't very fond of that..
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/          Days go by, endlessly pulling you into the future
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Another Group Joins Boycott
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:41:44 GMT

Ski Omaha, dude. Dodge street's pretty rad right about now...

--
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      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
	  S7/9 g++l+(+)y++z++/--(++!!!)o+(+)x+a++uv(++)j+
From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
Subject:  Re: BAR Manners in Boston...
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:01:43 EST

fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!):
>You wimps. Real men drink from the bottle like in the leatherbars in
>the Warmoesstraat.
>
>Of course, they will serve liquor in glasses. I mean, you try drinking
>gin 'n tonic from the bottle.

At least from one bottle. Brings a whole new meaning to "two-fisted drinker".

Limes only for the particularly adept...

d

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu                                    Barbie says math is hard!
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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Bar Etiquette: Further digression
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:54:28 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1993Jan8.215323.22523@infonode.ingr.com> norris@infonode.ingr.com (Jeff Norris) writes:

>I've heard of red-eye gravy (for it's effect on the body, I think) but 
>Brown? Hereabouts, anything brown or red is sauce - gravy is lighter
>(in color only, trust me on this one).

OK, for the Suthun-impaired:

Red-eye gravy is either a clear _or_ milk-based gravy made from the
drippings left after _frying_ salt-cured country ham.

Gravy made from sugar-cured country ham drippings may be delicious,
but that is _not_, I repeat, _NOT_ red-eye gravy.  Gravy made from
baked salt-cured country ham might be scrumptious, but that is NOT
red-eye gravy.

The only TRUE red-eye gravy is that made from fried SALT-cured country ham.
You take the drippings, add equal parts hot water and STRONG coffee, stir,
and allow to reduce (ooooo, I feel like Nathalie Dupree!).  Serve over
said fried country ham, biscuits, or mashed potatoes.

Wonderful for both the blood pressure as well as the fat content.  :-)

>>They were really quite offended by all this.

>I can hear it now:  "Damn Yankee, this is what he ORDERED!!"

>>How do these people live on this stuff?

>Bet you've never eaten Hush Puppies either.  (I don't mean the shoe.)

What, you mean they named some shoes after my fay-voe-right side dish?

>jeff [had I been at the next table, I could have interpreted.]

So could I, but I love watching culture clashes.  :-)

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P.S.  Given the high-fat, high-salt diet with which I was reared, is it
any wonder my great-grandmother told me at the age of 10 that none of
us in our family needed to worry about trying on clothes in a store?

She said, "If it fits a barrel, it fits us.".  :-)
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From: brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies)
Subject: Re: Geography (was Capitalization, still dubious MOTSS content)
Organization: Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Melbourne
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:54:38 GMT

carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson) writes:

>Brent forgot the fourth part of New York.  

Nevah! That was Charlie's fault!

--Brent
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