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From: gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso)
Subject: BASEBALL:  preview
Organization: Motorola
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:27:35 GMT

Sorry for the delay, I had a weekend vacation (I do this at work!!!).

OLYMPIC BASEBALL
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FORMAT: 
   The teams that qualify include Europe's championship team (Italy), the 
   top teams from the Asian countries (Japan, Chinese Taipei) and the top
   teams from the Pan Am Games (Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, US)
   and the host country.
    Teams play round-robin games, with the top four advancing to the semi-
   finals.  The first place team will play the fourth place team and the 
   second place team will play the third place team.  The winnere meet for
   the gold and the losers for the bronze.
    This will be the first year baseball will be an official sport in the 
   Olympics.  The previous seven it was a demonstration sport.  The games
   will be played under Internation Baseball Association rules, which are
   the same as those in Major League Baseball.  The only difference are 
   aluminum bats will be allowed and the squad size is limited to 20 players
   and designated hitters will be used for pitchers.
MEDAL WATCH:
   Cuba, which throttled the United States in two out of three games during
   a recent tour of Cuba, is the baseball equivalent of USA's Dream Team.
   Among the handfull of Cuban players who could play in the majors right 
   now is third baseman Omar Linares, who has been with the national team
   since he was 17.  
    Cuba, participating in the Olympics for the first time since 1980, 
   should win its first Olympic gold medal.  The U.S. has the right man for
   the job of trying to stealthe gold from Cuba.  Ron Fraser, a man with an
   impeccable reputation as a coach and master of promotions, closes out 
   his brillant career in Barcelona.
    The U.S. featuring catcher Charles Johnson, should contend for the
   silver or bronze.  Other countries expected to challenge are Japan,
   Puerto Rico, Italy, and Chinese Taipei.

OPENING GAMES:
   Cuba   vs.  Dominican Republic
   Taiwan vs.  Italy
   Puerto Rico  vs.  Japan
   United States  vs.  Spain

Feel free to send questions or comments to me!!!!
==========================================================================  
Christopher Gattuso			

gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com
Motorola, Inc.
Schaumburg, Illinois

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president,
 and that one word is 'to be prepared'."
                -- Vice President Dan Quayle
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From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: USA soccer team
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:55:10 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <92206.095032JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> JGARLITZ@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>Does anybody out there have an opinion on the chances of the US soccer team
>placing in the top 3 at the Olympics?

After their loss to Italy on friday, their chances are slim.

>  I have heard any information on the
>status about them.  Do they have the same German coach and players that will
>compete for the World Cup?  

I don't get this. The last time I checked the US World Cup coach was
Bora Mulutinovich (sp?), a Yugoslav not a German. 

In any case, I understand that none of the teams, including US, are
represented by their best national team players. I think one has to be
under 23 and not have played in the World Cup final.

>If so, I believe the US may have a good chance
>to get a medal.

I htink it will take a lot of improvements both in the popularity of soccer
in US and the organization of it (like providing an alternative to the NCAA
for our young players who, under the NCAA rules, are forbidden from
seriously practicing and playing soccer) for the US to become a medal
threat in future soccer competitions.

Lwt us face it. We Americans are not genetically superior to other peoples
and thus cannot beat countries which are more serious about soccer than we
are. 

Employer may disagree
From: solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: NBC Olympic coverage ...
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:00:23 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul27.224422.30000@gtephx.UUCP>, ahmeda@gtephx.UUCP (Aftab Ahmed) writes:

|> I also agree with it about Bob Costas, He seemed to have done a lot of homework
|> for the opening ceremony. OTOH Wall Street Journal (07/25/92) did not like his
|> trivia about other nations during the parade. But what can you expect from the 
|> paper which printed that in Men's field hockey, North Korea defeated Malaysia by 4-1?

The Wall Street Journal is a terrific paper, don't knock it. Why if it weren't
for the WSJ, I would still think John Major was the Prime Minister of Britain,
when in fact the WSJ informed that Labo(u)r took the election.

Jason W. Solinsky
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIM: Result-M's 400m Freestyle Heat 5
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:21:38 GMT

   Heat  5
 1.  Evgeny Sadovyi (CIS)                           3:49.37
 2.  Anders Holmertz (Sweden)                       3:49.95
 3.  Stefan Pfeiffer (Germany)                      3:49.99
 4.  Danyon Loader (New Zealand)                    3:50.05
 5.  Ian Brown (Australia)                          3:50.12
 6.  Zoltan Szilagyi (Hungary)                      3:56.68
 7.  Turlough O'Hare (Canada)                       3:56.70
 8.  Richard Tapper (New Zealand)                   3:59.71

Rod Swift
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From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: USA Today on Triplecast
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 16:09:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.073058.4282@erg.sri.com>, vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:

[stuff deleted]

|> So, what do they have room for? Let's take a look at the schedule. My
|> favorite highlights (REAL ONES):

[more stuff deleted]

|> 
|> Prelims in wrestling for 6 hours per day. Watch fat men from obscure places
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> hug each other for 6 minutes, at the end of which both men get disqualified
|> either for inaction or for indecent show of mutual affection.
|> 

I'm sure you were just trying to be funny; most of the rest of your posting was
humorous.  Lest anyone not familiar with Real Wrestling (TM) believe that
greco-roman and freestyle wrestlers are as described, the fact is that these
athletes are some of the finest conditioned in any sport, with tremendously low
percentages of body fat (remember weight classes?), high proportions of lean
body mass, excellent endurance (YOU try flexing every muscle in your body for
five minutes!), and unbelievable reflexes.

As for obscure places, two of the top three or four teams have been the US and
the (former) USSR.

To Vlad:  Chris Campbell of the US, former World Champion, on the Olympic
team at the age of 37, is a lawyer.  Is he currently an amateur?
From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Isn't Olympics for Amateurs?
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:31:21 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <WARKENT.92Jul30124553@ltisun9.epfl.ch> warkent@ltisun9.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne) writes:
> Look for "unpopular" sports such as greco-roman
>wrestling to be replaced by events such as American football
>and cricket.

While it is possible that sports like American football and cricket
will be added to the games, it's highly unlikely that any current
medal sports will be removed.  Certainly not a sport like greco-roman
wrestling, which is very popular in many parts of the world.  Even
in the US, to some extent -- remember Jeff Blatnick?

I remember that Peter Ueberroth was having a hard time finding a place
to hold the shooting events for the 1984 L.A. Olympics.  The noise and
danger of the event made the requirements very tough to comply with.
So he suggested to Juan Antonio Samaranch that shooting not be held.
Samaranch basically told him that if any medal event would be removed
from the competition, it would only be over his dead body.

Ed
ed@wente.llnl.gov


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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: SWIMFINAL: Result-W's 100m Butterfly
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:37:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.180928.26247@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb) writes:
> In article 1@cc.curtin.edu.au, rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:
>>SWIMMING - Women's 100m Butterfly FINAL
>>=======================================
>> 
>>World Record		57.93
>>Olympic Record	59.00
>>
>> 
>>Go	HONG, Qian			CHN	  58.62		New OR
>>Si	AHMANN-LEIGHTON, Christine	USA	  58.74
>>Br	PLEWINSKI, Catherine		FRA	  59.01
>>------
>>4	XIAOHONG, Wang			CHN	?
>>5	O'NEILL, Susan			AUS	  59.69
>>6	SANDERS, Summer			USA
>>7	VAN ALMSICK, Franziska		GER	?
>>8	SHITO, Rie			JPN	?

> Another case of potential success unfufilled. There had been much said 
> of Summer Sanders in the weeks leading up to this fortnight. 

Many cases of potential success have been thwarted in the pool.  Just look
at the Sadovy/Perkins battle with th 3:45.00 World Record race.

> Well, an American won a medal, but it's not the one NBC expected. And
> the PRC continues to do its thing in the water. 

PRC is the People's Republic of China, commonly known as Taiwan (code PRC?)
PDRC is the People's Democratic Republic of China, commonly known as China
(code CHN).

CHN, China or the People's Democratic Republic of China, have been doing
very well in the diving and swimming waters.

Rod Swift
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From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: TripleCast Update
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:39:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HMS

Follow-up to my previous article last week on deceptive NBC's TripleCast ads :

NBC and CableVision agreed yesterday to modify promotions for their
PPV coverage after NYC's Dept. of Consumer Affairs complained that
their advertising was misleading.

NBC and Cablevision modified the information on an 800 number mentioned
in TV ads for the coverage. The message now explicitly states that the
TripleCast will consist of 12 hours of live coverage followed by 12 hours
of taped replay every day.

-Mark
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: gletty@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Bruce Gletty)
Subject: Re: NBC Coverage
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:12:48 GMT

alvstad@mari.acc.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad) writes:

>Just a brief comment on the coverage on the NBC network--
(Stuff deleted)
>	Also, I think that NBC should pull its heads on straight and show the
>medal ceremonies for ANY event, whether a US athlete wins or not (From what I'veread, it seems like many of you feel the same way).  I noticed that first after
>the diving competition, when they didn't even show 13-year-olf Fu Mingxa receiveher gold!!  I was quite upset at NBC--didn't they at least show the medal 
>ceremonies in 1988??  Someone should complain, and I wish I knew who to reach!!

Why show the medal ceremonies at all??? They are truly boring. The whole thing 
is tape delayed, show more events!!! If you want to hear national anthems, 
buy a record/cd/tape!! I want to see competition!
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From: gopal@tamsun.tamu.edu
Subject: Re: Cricket in the Olympics
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:22:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.205320.14639@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> rajah@soda.berkeley.edu (Raja S Kushalnagar) writes:
(stuff about baseball and cricket deleted)

He he! You should have seen a recent article in Houston Chronicle giving a
map of all the countries which play baseball.Almost every country except those
in Central Africa and two countries in South America are supposed to play 
baseball.Imagine baseball being played in countries like Bhutan,Bangladesh.
The whole of China,India, SriLanka are included as places where baseball is
played.In my entire stay in India( 2 states and long visits to 6 other states)
the only places where I have seen baseball being played are the schools for
the handicapped(schools for the deaf and dumb- Please note this is not an 
insult to them.The other places where it could have been played are certain
select clubs).But by no means do even 1/6 of the countries represented on the
map play the game.Actually I think more people play cricket in America than
the number who play baseball in south asia.(not Far-East or south east asia)

Gopal
From: haulam@or.credence.com (Hau Lam )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Table Tennis : Previews
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:23:06 GMT
Organization: Credence Systems Corp. Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Jul26.032316.6631@cc.umontreal.ca> desjarly@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Desjardins Lyne) writes:
>
>
>Hello people !
>
>I'd like to have your predictions about Table Tennis. Who will win ?
>
>There are 4 events in the Olympics : Men's Doubles, Women's Doubles,
>Men's Singles and Women's Singles. 
>
>Please, email me your predictions and if enough people respond to it,
>I'll post the results. But hurry : it's starting soon...
>
>PS : Any kind of predictions will be great. Name of the player, country,
>     etc...
>
>Lyne
>
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Lyne,

Do you have a list of Table Tennis Olympians competing?  If you
could post it, we'll try to predict the winner.

Hau
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From: palmer@hsi.com (Mike Palmer)
Subject: Re: Medal Counts
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:53:48 GMT

In article <4087@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk> news@comlab.ox.ac.uk writes:
>
>I disagree very strongly with the concept of medal counts per nation in fact
>I think that we should go back to the days when they did not even have
> national anthems, the olympics is all about individual struggle.

The IOC and the Olympics in general encourage the whole "medal count" idea
by only allowing two or three athletes per country.  so what you get is the
best athletes of each country competing against each other, not the best
athletes in the world competing against each other.  combine that with the
team events where a group of athletes can only enter together if they all
happen to be from the same country and you get medal counts.

-- 
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======= 3M Health Information Systems	              palmer@hsi.com =======
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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: SWIM: Result-M's 400m Freestyle Heat 3
Organization: -=[ Curtin University ]=-  Perth, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:20:15 GMT

   Heat 3
 1.  Yann De Fabrique (France)                      3:55.66
 2.  Shigeo Ogata (Japan)                           3:57.91
 3.  Can Erol Ergenekan (Turkey)                    3:58.43
 4.  Edward Parenti (Canada)                        3:58.96
 5.  Bang Seung-Hoon (South Korea)                  4:00.43
 6.  Alejandro Bermudez (Colombia)                  4:01.66
 7.  Christer Wallin (Sweden)                       4:02.14
 8.  Ong Jeffrey Kuan Seng (Malaysia)               4:02.28

Rod Swift
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From: gfowler@javelin.sim.es.com (Gary Fowler)
Subject: Barcelona
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:57:48 GMT

Isn't Barcelona a beautiful city?  Especially the architecture.
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Summary: Day 2 events
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:04:56 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


A Summary of the upcoming events on Day 2 of the Olympic Games:


Baseball: 	First round games
Basketball: 	First round games
Boxing: 	First round matches
Cycling: 	Mens 4000M IP, prelims
		Mens 1000M Time Trial, finals
Diving:		Womens Platform, finals
Equestrian:	3-day, dressage event
Gymnastics:	Mens Artistic Compulsories
Field Hockey:	First round games (women)
Judo: 		Mens/Womens heavyweight, finals
Pentathalon:	Swimming and shooting
Pelota:		Prelim rounds
Roller Hockey:	First round games
Rowing:		Womens fours, w/o coxwain
		Womens doubles, sculls
		Womens pairs, w/o coxwain
		Mens fours w/ coxwain
		Mens doubles, sculls
		Mens pairs, w/o coxwain
		Mens singles, sculls
Shooting:	Womens sport pistol, precision
		Mens air rifle
		Skeet
		Womens sport pistol, rapid fire, final
Soccer:		First round matches
Swimming:	(finals only listed)
		Mens 100 Butterfly
		Mens 400 IM
		Mens 800 Freestyle relay
		Womens 200 Freestyle
		Womens 200 Breaststroke
Team Handball:	First round matches
Weightlifting:	Bantam, (56kg), finals
Wrestling:	Prelim matches
Yachting:	Various first round races.

r.
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From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: Mr. Solinsky insults Jews along with the Chinese
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:06:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.183846.26025@news.iastate.edu> JI.RCB@isumvs.iastate.edu (Robert Bergmann) writes:
>>Mr. Solinsky, even assuming you're correct about China, does it ever occur
>>to you that there is more that makes a Holocaust than the body count alone?
>
>I case you haven't noticed, Mr. Solinsky appears  to  respond  to
>everything  even  when  he  has no knowledge of the subject.  His
>comments  don't  deserve  your flames.  Just put his name in your
>kill file and skip his crap!

Yeah, I'd noticed; but I've also noticed that most of the worst 
net.nitwits appear to use the Holocaust as their playtoy, and I
consider it dangerous. So I don't killfile it, for the same reasons
I don't killfile calls for the extermination of my country (of
which, alas, there are many on the net as well) -- I like knowing
who's working on doing me damage; it makes it easier to do some-
thing about it.

>Jason W. Solinsky - Not!!!!!

Would be nice, but unfortunately, I'm compelled to believe he
exists.

	-Nora
From: wouter@cwi.nl (Wouter Mettrop)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: VOLLEYBALL: Results Men, Pool A
Date: 27 Jul 92 07:21:17 GMT
Organization: CWI, Amsterdam

MEN POOL A

Matches 26-07:

United States - Japan  : 3-2  (15-8; 11-15; 10-15; 17-16; 16-14)
Italy         - France : 1-3  (15-9; 5-15; 8-15; 2-15)
Canada        - Spain  : 2-3  (15-13; 7-15; 15-9; 12-15; 13-15)





Italy           1  2   3-1
Spain           1  2   3-2
United States   1  2   3-2
Canada          1  1   2-3
Japan           1  1   2-3
France          1  1   1-3


Remaining matches:


28-07 United States - Canada.
      Japan         - France.
      Spain         - Italy.
30-07 Italy         - Japan.
      Canada        - France.
      United States - Spain.
01-08 Spain         - Japan.
      Canada        - Italy.
      United States - France.
03-08 Japan         - Canada.
      Spain         - France.
      United States - Italy.
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: TripleCast Update
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:15:59 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <1630@hsdndev.UUCP> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.173027.7712@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> stanm@comm.mot.com writes:
>(Vlad, please get your flame-thrower ready :-).

OK!!!!!!!!!!!!

>amateurism should not be dead

>The Games who have been cheapened with all the pros and the
>big business being a huge part of it all. 

Mark, are you aware of the fact that "the spirit of amateurism" itself is
an abomination of the true Olympic ideals? Do you know that in the REAL
Olympics, i.e., those in ancient Greece, virtually all athletes were
full-time pros supported by their communities?

Do you know that hte idea of "amateurism" was developed in the 19th century
by the idle class (mostly Brittish) to protect their superiority over
working people? Well, it was. You see, in the good old times, aristocrats
who did not have to work were the only people good at various sports.
normal people had no time to practice sports. Suddenly, in the 19th
century, the idea of professional sports took hold. Thus, talented working
class lads could become pros and become as good as those idle aristocrats.
The idea of sharing glory with untermenschen di dnot square well with
bluebloods. So, they invented this idea of "amateurism". And this idea did
indeed keep most working class people from the Olympics. Until the
"communists" came along and started calling their pros "amateurs" and
winning all the medals.

Look, this is 20th century. The ideas of monarchy and aristocracy and
serfdom are all dead. The idea of equality and democracy is alive. And I am
happy to see the last bastion of the idle class, the hypocritical idea of
"amateurism", die. 

>-Mark
>Dancing in the streets of a hot and muggy Boston waiting for a hockey
>season to get underway...

NHL season? I thought you liked amteurism and hated big businesses....

Employer disagrees
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From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: USA Today on Triplecast
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 20:05:16 GMT

Glanced at the report in today's paper:  seems like they've gotten
no more than 1% penetration (% of homes able to receive pay-per-view)
within any cable area, far short of the 6% (?) they expected.  Does not
look like they got the massive last-minute rush they had hoped for.

I feel really, really bad for NBC.