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From: yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: Re: The Moral Basis of Property   was Libertarian history
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:48:39 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <4410007@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> flower@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graham Flower) writes:
>>
>>Many people were trying to justify
>>private property on the basis of morality and on the basis of
>>some economic formulation showing how ya gotta have private
>>property or no one will work (suddenly, apparently, nobody gets
>>hungry). I argued that the ONLY justification for p-p was
>>by the use of force (ie I am taking this and I will fight to 
>>keep it from you, etc.)
>>
>
>   It is worth noting that we live in a country where private property
>   is heavily written into the constitution by our founding fathers.
>   The record is clear that property rights were a subject of great concern
>   for them. This being a founding principle of the land I dont feel it
>   needs more justification. 

Rationality and human rights were certainly held as more important
principles by the writers of the US constitution, and blind reverence
for the past was not highly valued by them.

>   It also appears clear that socialism has been something less than a
>   rousing success. Very significant movement has occurred in the last 5
>   years away from socialist concepts by countries which had adopted them.
>   The Soviet Union being the classic example, eastern europe also, Sweden,
>   Great Britain and numerous others have moved in directions away from
>   socialism. It is curious that many would like to adopt policies which
>   have clearly failed those who have previously adopted them. I ascribe it
>   to some level of lack of awareness and the power of the appeal for 
>   Utopia. I mean who is gonna be against Utopia, not me. The question is
>   can it be achieved.

As Joe Slovo, longtime head of the South African Communist Party, pointed
out, the record of capitalism is not so damn wonderful either. The
interesting question is why a system which has made it profitable to 
tear holes in the ozone layer in the cause of selling air-conditioners
should be considered to be the best way of organizing human society or even
a viable way of organizing human society.


-- 


yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu

Newsgroups: sci.econ
From: burris@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jim Burris)
Subject: Re: The Moral Basis of Property   was Libertarian history
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:11:39 GMT

In article <JACKSON.92Jul23084636@kaos.stsci.edu> jackson@kaos.stsci.edu (Bob Jackson) writes:
>w.r.t.
>>As Joe Slovo, longtime head of the South African Communist Party, pointed
>>out, the record of capitalism is not so damn wonderful either. The
>>interesting question is why a system which has made it profitable to 
>>tear holes in the ozone layer in the cause of selling air-conditioners
>>should be considered to be the best way of organizing human society or even
>>a viable way of organizing human society.

So I assume you don't use AC in either your home or car.
>
>
>Since aparteid was created by white socialist trade union members to
>prevent black workers from competing with white workers, I find the Slovo
>comment amusing.
>

An interesting point, which is shows this statement for the bullshit that it is.

>As to air conditioners, the profit is made or not made in selling air 
>conditioners.  The flourocarbon emissions probably occur when the air
>conditioner is operated by the owner rather than during manufacture.
>

Not! Most of the CFCs are emitted by repair persons attaching/removing test
equipment and/or refill equipment. Granted, after years of use, a leak can
occur in the system, requiring the service visit.

>The environmental record of the 'non-capitalist' regimes is something
>to behold, e.g., Mao's anti-bird campaign and the ~ex-Aral Sea.
>
>If patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels,
>Then environmentalism is the current refuge of totalitarians.

You were doing alright until you made this statement. Certainly, there are
over-zealous environmentalists, as there are over-zealous Republicrats and/or
Libertarians. But not everyone who is concerned with the environment supports
totalitarianism, starting with ME. Stick with the facts, and leave your
unmitigated, unsupported bullshit in the circular file, where it belongs.

Jim Burris

These opinions do not belong to TI.
Newsgroups: sci.econ
From: jackson@kaos.stsci.edu (Bob Jackson)
Subject: Re: The Moral Basis of Property   was Libertarian history
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
	<JACKSON.92Jul23084636@kaos.stsci.edu>
	<1992Jul24.171139.15411@spdc.ti.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:41:31 GMT

Name three human activities that could not be
proscribed for their environmental impact.
From: ellis@epca.UUCP (Ellis Carter)
Newsgroups: u3b.misc
Subject: TCP/NFS for 3b2500/400
Keywords: TCP/NFS for 3b2500/400
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:19:24 GMT
Organization: Ellis Carter Associates, Metairie, LA

I am looking for hardware and software to enable me to place an AT&T 3b2500
and possibly a 3b2400 on the network with other Unix boxes such as ISC and
possibly Novell.  I have SVr3.1.1 at the present time.  I do not know if 
I can get this group, so I would appreciate any responses to:
ellis@epca.wpg.com.

I would like to know for those of you who are using the product if the upgrade
is worth the price or if it is even available.  Any direction for or against
these efforts would be appreciated.  

Thanks in advance for your comments and your time.


-- 
Ellis Carter
Internet:           ellis@epca.wpg.com
New Orleans, LA     (504) 456-2245
Newsgroups: lou.general
From: mb@cs.tulane.edu (Mark Benard)
Subject: Telebit Worldblazer modem problems
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Distribution: lou
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:01:36 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-24418]: thoth

We recently acquired a couple of Telebit Worldblazers, but before we had a
chance to install them, we heard that there were problems.  So we called
them;  below is the information we obtained.  If you have one of these, you
might want to call Telebit to make sure you are sent the fixes.

Mark
----

> Yep.  There is a problem.  The WB has a problem changing window sizes
> from 7 to 3.
>
> For the time being, we should turn off spoofing and PEP negotiation.
> To do this we need to set  S180=2, S111=0, and S50=7.  Turning off
> PEP will improve the performance of the modem until the bug fixes are
> in place.
>
> Telebit will be releasing a fix for the spoofing problem in about a
> week's time.  They will send us the fix for both modems.  We're looking
> at about a 2 week time frame for getting the bug fixes.
-- 
Mark Benard
Department of Computer Science     INTERNET & BITNET: mb@cs.tulane.edu
Tulane University                  USENET:   rex!mb
New Orleans, LA 70118
Newsgroups: kw.uucp
From: sanguish@digifix.com (Scott Anguish)
Subject: Sorry, a test
Reply-To: sanguish@digifix.com
Organization: Digital Fix Development
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 04:58:28 GMT

aa
-- 
- Scott Anguish -
sanguish@digifix.com (NextMail)

Newsgroups: kw.uucp,uw.csc,comp.unix.bsd
From: timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Tim Kuehn)
Subject: Next KWUU meeting  (was Re: 386BSD 0.1)
Organization: TDK Consulting Services
Distribution: kw
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:07:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.214449.11112@mks.com> fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter) writes:
>Is there any interest in a mailing list pertaining to 386BSD 0.1 discussing
>who has what ported (and where it might be available via uucp, anonymous
>or otherwise), and who has fixed what bugs, etc. etc. etc. ? Or should we
>save it for the next KW Unix User's Group meeting (Tim, when/where is that
>meeting ?)

Next meeting will be Wed, Aug 19, in DC 1304.

Any questions/comments on this subject would also be most welcome 
at the next KWUU meeting.

+-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Tim Kuehn | TDK Consulting |(519)-888-0766| 				|
| <><       | Services       | timk@tdkcs.uucp timk@tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca|
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Newsgroups: kw.uucp
From: electroh@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Electrohome Ltd.)
Subject: electro is down
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:01:50 GMT


Site electro is down due to a severe hard disk failure.  I'll post when we're
back up.

--
Carlo Sgro
carlo@electro.com
temporarily electroh@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca

Newsgroups: kw.uucp,uw.csc,comp.unix.bsd
From: fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter)
Subject: 386BSD 0.1
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Distribution: kw
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 21:44:49 GMT

Has anyone else in town downloaded and installed 386BSD 0.1 ?
I will have the full distributions on tape (bin01, src01, and etc01)
soon enough, and I can probably be persuaded to make copies...
(this offer is of course only useful to those of you who would like to
 install this and have QIC tape drives).

I figure most of the stuff in the etc01 distribution should be fairly easy
to get up and running under BSDI as well.

Is there any interest in a mailing list pertaining to 386BSD 0.1 discussing
who has what ported (and where it might be available via uucp, anonymous
or otherwise), and who has fixed what bugs, etc. etc. etc. ? Or should we
save it for the next KW Unix User's Group meeting (Tim, when/where is that
meeting ?)

	fred
-- 
Disclaimer: everything I write is my *personal* opinion and does not represent
or reflect the opinion of the company which employs me.
Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: sadovnik@caddac1.uwaterloo.ca (A. Sadovnikov)
Subject: apartment wanted
Originator: sadovnik@caddac1.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 02:46:27 GMT

One bedroom apartment is wanted for visiting professor
with a family from the beginning of September till the end
of the year or longer.
Must be close to
UW and shoppings (MSA is the best location).
Tel.: ext.2190
E-mail: sadovnik@caddac1.uwaterloo.ca

Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: fma@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (F Ma)
Subject: wanted: accommodations
Originator: fma@sunee.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:01:02 GMT

Looking for shared accomodations with quiet, clean, nonsmoking
abstainers. Recently graduated, working full time. Prefer
Waterloo location, excluding south-western corner.

             Contact Fred at 725-0441.
Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: bie@watnow.waterloo.edu (Clark Y. Bie)
Subject: accomodation
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:54:08 GMT

 A furnished room is available in a 2 bedroom apartment. Close to UW.
Interested please call 888-0111 between 7-8pm.

Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: lwli@watnow.uwaterloo.ca (Liwei Li)
Subject: T E M P O R A R Y   R E S I D E N C E   A V A I L A B L E
Originator: lwli@watnow.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:25:42 GMT



          T E M P O R A R Y   R E S I D E N C E   A V A I L A B L E

          - One-bedroom apartment in MSA 
          - Five Minutes to UW Campus
          - From September 1st to September 30th 
          - Unfurnished
          - Cable TV
          - $466/inclusive, negotiable
          - Please note: this room is only for one month
          - Call 746-8119 or reply to lwli@watnow.waterloo.edu


Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: hachipma@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Hugh Chipman)
Subject: Female roommate wanted immediately
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:54:00 GMT

I'm posting this for a friend:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am a female graduate student and am looking for another female
graduate student to share a house.  There will be four people in the
house altogether - two guys have already rented two of the rooms, the
other two bedrooms are still available. The house features:

* 10 minute walk to campus (on Candlewood Cr.).
* On bus route
* Laundry facilities
* garage
* Fully furnished
* full use of the entire house and backyard.
* available aug 1992 - aug 1993

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please leave an email message with me (hachipma@jeeves), including a
phone number. I'll pass the message on, and my friend will get back to
you.

Thanks!


Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: kttung@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Kam)
Subject: ROOM SUBLET FOR FALL & WINTER
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:51:52 GMT

    I post this for my friend, the place is exactly at the intersection of
    University Ave. and Lester St. (on University Ave):

      - $280 / mon

      - inclusive

      - 7-10 mins walking distance to UW

      - 3 mins walking distance to University Ave. Plaza

      - laundry facility

      - furnished (bed, desk, cupbroad,.. etc)

    If interested, please send e-mail to:

               kttung@descartes.waterloo.edu

Newsgroups: uw.forsale,kw.housing
From: teresa@watnow.waterloo.edu (Teresa Fung)
Subject: Housing wanted for FALL '93
Followup-To: teresa@watnow.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: ont
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:15:28 GMT

                        HOUSING WANTED !!!
                        ------------------


        Responsible fourth year students looking for a three or
        four bedroom house/apartment for this upcoming Fall term.
        Willing to pay reasonable to high rent.  Distance is not
        a problem, as long as it is still in Waterloo...

        We are all out-of-town so please reply through email if
        you have a place.

        Thanks, please reply to teresa@watnow.waterloo.edu or
                                tfung@zeus.waterloo.edu


Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: brea9430@mach4.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u)
Subject: Serious student looking for house to share
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: kw
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 02:39:39 GMT


I am looking for housing to share with two to four other people for an eight
or twelve month period starting in September. 

I am willing to pay for clean, quiet housing. Preferably, it should be
located within fifteen minutes' walk of UW/WLU, but I will consider housing
further away if the rent is reasonable. 

A reference from my current landlord can be supplied if desired.

Please contact me at:

Voice: 747-5799		e-mail: brea9430@mach4.wlu.ca

Thank you!
Ken Breadner
Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: fho@watnow.waterloo.edu (Fenton Ho)
Subject: Apartment Wanted
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 05:39:24 GMT

I am looking for a two bedroom apartment from the end of Aug 92 til
at least the end of Aug 93. Preferably, the place would be 
close to UW but that is not a necessity. 

Thanks, Fenton
fho@watnow  
Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: sadovnik@caddac1.uwaterloo.ca (A. Sadovnikov)
Subject: Apartment wanted
Originator: sadovnik@caddac1.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:29:08 GMT

One bedroom apartment is wanted for visiting professor
with a family from the beginning of September till the end
of the year or longer.
Must be close to
UW and shoppings (MSA is the best location).
Tel.: home:886-0836; office:885-1211 ext.2190
E-mail: sadovnik@caddac1.uwaterloo.ca

Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: kyau@mach2.wlu.ca (Kelvin Yau)
Subject: 2 Houses for Rent Starting Sept.1
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: kw
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 19:18:08 GMT

                   2 Houses for Rent Starting Sep 1.
                   =================================
House I
--------

	Location : 465 Midwood Cr., Waterloo

    - Nice house with 4 bedrooms.
    
    - 20 min walk from U of W.

    - Quiet and very nice location.
   
    - A nice deck in backyard for barbecurs.

    - House in very good condition and very clean.
	
    - Appliances included (4-pieces).

    - Would like to rent out to either family or female students

    - Rent  (Negotiable)

House II
--------

	Location : 63 Helene Cr., Waterloo

    - Nice house with 3 bedrooms.
    
    - 15 min walk from U of W.

    - Quiet and very nice location.

    - House is very clean
	
    - Appliances included (4-pieces).

    - Would like to rent out to either family or female students

    - Rent  (Negotiable)


If you are interested, you may contact :

	Kelvin Yau
        746-8393 (home, after 5:00pm)
        884-1970 x.2762 (work, 8:30am - 5:00pm)
	Or
        you can send me e-mail at "kyau@mach2.wlu.ca"

Thanks!!!!!
-- 
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Computing Services         | Tel : 519 884-1970 x.2762 (Bus)
Wilfrid Laurier University |       519 746-8393 (Home)
Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: rwskubow@grand.uwaterloo.ca ( Rog Skubowius )
Subject: Looking to share a flat
Originator: rwskubow@grand.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:25:26 GMT


I have a   lead on a  2-bedroom  apartment with  living room,   eat-in
kitchen, parking and so forth 15 minute walk from UW and need a roomie
to share the cost of it all - $660/month. If interested, reply to:

rog@pdp.crl.sony.co.jp

Rog.
---

-- 
Hey buddy...
Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: yqu@watnow.waterloo.edu (Yanping Qu)
Subject: A Room Needed From Aug. or Sept.
Keywords: room
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:41:07 GMT

This is posted for a friend .
A male student is looking for a room near the UW area. 
A room available from Aug or Sept. is ok for him. 

If you have a room to rent or sublet, please reply to this account
or call 725-0981, thank you.
Newsgroups: kw.housing,uw.cs.grad,uw.grad
From: dwood@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Derick Wood)
Subject: 2-bedroom apartment
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:36:39 GMT

2-bedroom apartment (partially furnished) available September 1;
regina/university; parking; laundry facilities;
call 884-5491.
Newsgroups: uw.grad,uw.cs.grad,kw.housing
From: ljpoconn@math.uwaterloo.ca (Luke O'Connor)
Subject: townhouse for rent
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: uw
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:59:02 GMT


I am looking for someone to take a one year lease in a townhouse at Westcourt
Place (near corner of Univeristy and Westmount). There are two bedrooms with
a large finished basement that has its own bathroom. The townhouse is near
shops, the bus stop and U of W. There are laundry facilities as well as a 
pool. The rent is $860 + utilities.

You may contact me during the day at 885-1212, X3332 or leave a message at 
886-6778.

Luke O'Connor
Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: sdfinuca@cayley.waterloo.edu (Sean Finucane)
Subject: Room needed
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:24:17 GMT

I am a responsible 4th year student looking for a room in a
very nice appartment or house.
I need to be close to UW, and preferably not too far from Waterloo
City Centre (both within 20 minutes walk.)

I need the place from Sept. 1 until August 93.

I am willing to pay for a good place (up to 400+), but it needs to be a really 
good place.

I can be reached at 725-5577 (H) or 886-1690 (B)

Thanx,
Sean Finucane
Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: brea9430@mach4.wlu.ca (breadner kenneth cecil joseph u)
Subject: Please post details...
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Distribution: kw
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:25:03 GMT

To the gentleman who posted details of the house for rent behind Glenridge
mall, can you please forward to me your telephone number in order that I
might contact you regarding a possible viewing time. I am quite interested:
this house sounds ideal for me. 

Sorry for the incovenience; my mailer system has deleted your e-mail address
and telephone number.

Thank you very much!

Ken Breadner

Newsgroups: kw.housing
From: simmons@watsci.uwaterloo.ca (Jiang Du)
Subject: A room wanted
Originator: jshen@plg.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:10:31 GMT

A male graduate student is looking for a room in a one or two bedroom apartment
preferably in MSA.  He will spend most of his weekend in London. If you have a
room to share with him, please mail to this account. Thanks for your attention.


Du Jiang

Newsgroups: uw.general,kw.general
From: arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper)
Subject: water tower on Lester Street in Waterloo
Organization: University of Waterloo Math Faculty Computing Facility, Ontario, Canada.
Distribution: kw
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:31:50 GMT

Does anybody know what is happening to the water tower on Lester Street
in Waterloo, near the universities, between University and Columbia?

The tank has been removed from the legs.  Is it going to be entirely
removed?

Adrian.
Newsgroups: uw.gllow,uw.general,kw.general,soc.bi,soc.motss
From: gaile@csg.uwaterloo.ca (Gaile Simmons)
Subject: Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual Discussion Group at University of Waterloo
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:20:16 GMT

The GLLOW discussion group shares experiences on issues relating 
to homosexuality.  This discussion takes place at the University of 
Waterloo in the Environmental Studies 2 building Room 173 every 
Tuesday from 7:30 p.m. until about 9:30.  Everyone is welcome.

Future topics include:

July 28, 1992
Homosexuality and society - assimilation or isolation?

August: (tentative)
Having children
Relationships with our parents
Addiction to love: self-affirmation versus affirmation by others
Gay, lesbian and bisexual pride

September: (tentative)
Coming out
Growing up gay
How I prefer to meet people
A gay community
Newsgroups: uw.general,kw.general
From: mskucher@math.uwaterloo.ca (Murray S. Kucherawy [MFCF])
Subject: Re: water tower on Lester Street in Waterloo
Organization: MFCF Software Volunteer Squad, University of Waterloo, Canada
Distribution: kw
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:33:51 GMT

gwalker@lily13.waterloo.edu (Greg Walker) writes:
>arpepper@math.uwaterloo.ca (Adrian Pepper) writes:
>> Does anybody know what is happening to the water tower on Lester Street
>> in Waterloo, near the universities, between University and Columbia?
>> 
>> The tank has been removed from the legs.  Is it going to be entirely
>> removed?
>
>It's being completely removed.  For whatever reasons, now that Waterloo
>is getting its water from the Grand River, we don't need it anymore.

That's good then - I wouldn't want to drink the water in that rusty old
thing anyway.  :-)
Newsgroups: kw.general
From: ykyeung@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Michael)
Subject: Help for ride
Keywords: From Waterloo to Guelph
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:13:34 GMT

	I need to go to city of Guelph after 6 August ( but don't know the
exact date yet ).
	If someone is used to go to Guelph, please e-mail to me. So that I
can get in touch with you as soon as possible.
	Thank you for your attention.




	Michael

Newsgroups: uw.general,kw.general
From: mskucher@math.uwaterloo.ca (Murray S. Kucherawy [MFCF])
Subject: Ride to Toronto wanted
Organization: MFCF Software Volunteer Squad, University of Waterloo, Canada
Distribution: kw
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:46:18 GMT

I'd like to go in with someone who's driving to Toronto on Thursday,
August 6 in the morning and coming back in the late afternoon or evening.
If you'd like some company to share gas costs, please drop me a note.
Newsgroups: kw.general,uw.general
From: rbusch@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Robert Busch)
Subject: Seeking recommendations for local auto repair shops
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: kw
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:52:32 GMT


I'm driving a 1988 Toyota Tercel that has, I believe, a
damaged wheel bearing in the right rear wheel. Could anyone
recommend a local shop with a good reputation where I could
get this fixed by Friday?                          

Thanks in advance,

Bob <rbusch@watarts.uwaterloo.ca>
Newsgroups: kw.general