From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:36:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.193016.9997@Pacesetter.COM> lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
|>  You are SOOOOO funny, Lynn...  (Although you *have* seemed to mellow out
|>since those posts in rec.motos about a year back).  If you don't know what
|>a ZX-11 is, then I guess you've been fairly out-of-touch, possibly because
|>of your interesting idea of patriotism.  I would have thought that someone
|>that keeps a reference to NOS in his signature would at least know the
|>players in the high power motorcycle game, unless the NOS has nothing to
|>do with the cheap horsepower gains provided by Nitrous-Oxide injection
|>systems.  Kind of makes your reference to NOS less credible.
| 
| "Cheap horsepower" is is not. Yess, I run NOS on my XR1000 just for kicks
|and its the one way to boost when you need it without having it on all the
|time. Patriotism - yeah. I'm a native American. I don't sell out for the
|latest UJM crap. Its sad but many from my generation died for your right to
|choose. So I guess I'm out-of -touch. I prefer that to selling out.

To you have a television?  A VCR?  A microwave oven?   A computer?  Lynn, 
you magnificent nincompoop, THIS IS A GLOBAL ECONOMY.  

I work for Motorola.  We sell electronics (cellular telephones, in my 
case) to the japanese, and to americans.  I truly believe we have the best 
cellular telephones on the market.  But if someone has a need for a product 
that a Motorola product cannot meet, I do not think it appropriate to shove 
our product down his throat with the epithet of "selling out to Japan".  If 
we can't make a product that meet's the consumer's needs, the consumer will 
go elsewhere until we do.  In a global economy, that means the consumer may 
well go to a foriegn competitor.  So it is incumbent on us to make a product 
that the consumer will buy, not out of patriotism, but because it's a 
BETTER PRODUCT, and it FULFILLS the consumer's NEED.

Harley Davidson does not at present make a motorcycle which fills my needs.
And motorcycle manufacturing is most definitely a global market.  Since
Harley-Davidson has chosen to turn it's back on me, the sport/sport/touring
rider, he does not deserve my business.  I'm not running down the company;
they make a *good* product, just not the *right* product for my needs.  THEY
made that decision, *I* didn't.

| So what does that make them? Did you ever look at the economic situtation
|and wonder how it got there? 

Have you studied international economics, Lynn?  Let me fill you in on
something--the present economic situation has little to do with motorcycles.

|By the way - a Harley is well over 90%
|AMERICAN.

That's not how I understand it.

|>  A euphemism?  Yeah, thats it...  However, since we are on the subject, what
|>is the NOS in your signature supposed to refer to (since you don't seem to
|>know high-power motorcycles)?
|
| I only know about high power HARLEY motorcycles. Could give a shit about
|the rest of the UJM's.

Oh, I see.  We thought you WORKED for NOS.  Thanks for the correction.

| I won't go into length about your comments about 'colors' but I posted
|this so everyone on the net will be aware. Its serious shit! I don't care
|if you live in Mule Creek Junction, Wyoming - outlaws are everywhere and
|they take this serious. You can laugh it off if you want, justify your
|position, etc, etc but when you are confronted by an outlaw your opinion
|won't be worth much. If you take a look at the various patches there are
|MAJOR rules to be followed.

Full of shit, you are.  There are hundreds of Denizens that have been
wearing patches for a few years.  I have personally smiled and nodded to
a genuine Angel while wearing my DoD patch in plain view.  He smiled
(with his chrome teeth) and nodded back.  Big deal.

I certainly haven't heard about any Denizens getting their throats ripped
out be gang members.

|  I've seen a patch pulled and its not a nice sight. Minor things like the
|color and shape of the lettering could get you shot. 

My bullshit alarm is going off bigtime, here.  Lynn, if you are so 
interested in protecting us, instead of just trying to scare us with 
your Big Man Bad Biker Dude act, why don't you tell us exactly what's 
so offensive about Geeky, eh?  What ARE the rules you speak of?

|Anyway do what you
|will but being forewarned is forearmed. Here in the L.A. Zoo, wearing a
|Kings (hockey) or Raiders clothing could get you killed in the wrong area.
|I know it sucks but ... 

Look at it this way, if someone had your attitude, and was *actually* a 
tough gang member, don't you think I would be in just as much shit for 
riding a Kawasaki motorcycle, as for wearing a goofy looking patch?

(To be a bit realistic, though, and to show that we (the DoD) recognize 
the possiblity of gang trouble, a "colors" style vest/jacket, with
Geeky prominently and hugely displayed on the back, was suggested by
the Denizenry, and rejected by Arnie Skurow, for the reasons you state.  
And I would definitely trust Arnie's judgement and experience with bad
bikers, simply because he doesn't brag about it like you do, Lynn.)

			Dave Svoboda, #0330
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley