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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Bibliography on Fraternities and Rape
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:22:05 GMT

An incomplete bibliography, by popular demand.

---Fraternities and Rape---

Bausell and Maloy, "The links among drugs, alcohol, and campus crime: A
	research report," Paper presented at the Fourth National Conference
	on Campus Violence, Towson, MD.

Ehrhart and Sandler, Campus gang rape: Party Games?, Association of 
	American Colleges, 1985.

Garrett-Gooding and Senter, "Attitudes and acts of sexual aggression on
	a university campus," Sociological Inquiry (1987) 59:348-71.  

Hughes and Sandler, "Friends" raping friends: Could it happen to you?,
	Association of American Colleges, 1987.

Kanin, "Reference groups and sex conduct norm violations," Sociological
	Quarterly (1967), 8:495-504.

O'Sullivan, Chris.  (Title unknown, book coming out in 1992 or 1993.)

Parrot and Bechhofer, eds, Acquaintance Rape: The Hidden Crime, Wiley, 1991.

Rivera and Regoli, "Sexual victimization experiences of sorority women,"
	Sociology and Social Research (1987), 72:39-42.

Sanday, Fraternity Gang Rape, NYU Press, 1990.  [This book somehow seems
	to have mysteriously disappeared off the shelves of nearly every
	college library.]

Warshaw, I Never Called It Rape, Harper & Row, 1988.

---Gang Rape in General---

Blakely, "The New Bedford verdict," Ms. (July 1984), 116.

Geis, "Group sexual assaults," Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality (May
	1971), 101-13.

Medea and Thompson, Against Rape, Farrar, Straus, & Giroux (1974).

---On Difficulty of Conviction:---

Estrich, Real Rape, Harvard U Press, 1987.

Rowland, The Ultimate Violation, Doubleday, 1985.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "Question whether attorney's filing claim for 'stud fee'
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  as countersuit to paternity action was improperly
U o' C Law Skool   +  motivated required remand."  Headnote 9, Committee on
Chi, IL 60637      +  Legal Ethics of WVa State Bar v Douglas, 370 SE2d 325.
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: sag0798@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sassan Attari )
Subject: Re: fraternities and drug use
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:56:59 GMT

ejohnson@cs.washington.edu (Eric Johnson) writes:

>In article <703312734251@dingding.mcs.anl.gov> madden@dingding.mcs.anl.gov (Mr. William P. Madden) writes:

>I find that drug use here at UW tends to be very localized. I pledged late
>in my freshman year from the dorms (where drugs were widespread) into
>a house. There were (and have yet to be since I have been here - I'm a 
>senior now) no drugs of any kind, barring alcohol used by any member.
>I thought this was the case at all houses until I started going to 
>parties at other fraternities. Some were just open about it, others, like 
>my fraternity, had no use (not that we didn't drink enough beers or
>anything :) at all. At least here, the houses that get into that scene tend
>to get shut down or shaken up pretty quick. I don't know what it is like
>nationally, but here the dorms were much worse than anything I've seen in
>the greek system, and we've got the largest greek system in this half of the
>country.

This is true also for U of I - Champaign/Urbana.  I lived on a floor in the 
dorms that had pretty wide spread use of drugs.  But I haven't seen drug use
at all in the greek system, personally.  But there was a fraternity that 
sold its house (due to lack of funds) to the University.  When the University
inspectors went in, they found a bunch of equipment and seeds for growing 
marijuana in the attic.

sassan
Newsgroups: soc.college,soc.women,talk.rape
From: weird@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (john.t.erhardt)
Subject: Re: fraternities
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:56:03 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.034032.13141@news.iastate.edu> mds@iastate.edu (Mark D. Smucker) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.155855.2898@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com> ken@austin.ibm.com writes:
>>#In article <1992Apr12.123401.4989@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>#>In article <1992Apr9.185513.15773@news.iastate.edu>, mds@iastate.edu 
>>#>(Mark D. Smucker) writes:
>        ``A 1990 study by the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>        concluded that 34 of the 54 reported sexual assaults were by
>        fraternity men, even though they represent just a quarter of
>        male students on campus.''
>
>	Ted Frank has explained these stats in the past as well...
>
>3) People who keep screaming ``But _I'M_ not more likely to rape, so
>stop saying it!!!!'' need to understand the way stats work.  Do you
>scream at your car insurance carrier that ``Just because I'm a young
>male, doesn't mean _I'M_ going to wreck my car!!!'' ?
>
Thank you.  That's exactly what i meant.  So, lets see, if young males
have to pay higher car insurance rate becuase they are more likely
to get into collisions (they're not really accidents :^) ), then I propose
that we tax fraternity members to help pay for rape counseling.  After
all, they're more likely to do it, so they should pay more. 

>Mark D. Smucker ----  mds@iastate.edu


John Erhardt
From: rand@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Where are all of the scholarships?
Date: 6 Apr 92 10:45:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: merrimac.1992Apr6.104503.1560
Distribution: usa
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA

In article <1992Apr2.175343.23510@rice.edu>, rbutera@barred.owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera) writes:
>       Make an appointment to see the head honcho (say
> 	the financial aid department chair).  I emphasize to make an appoint-
> 	ment, don't just say I want to see him/her now!  Also, be professional.
> 	Dress well, and have all your facts and figures laid out to
> 	show the person in an obvious and thought out manner.  A student
> 	who appearss competent and whose situation has been well thought
> 	out and demonstrated makes a much greater effect than a bland
> 	finanicial aid form.  Often the department is given scholarships to
> 	arbitrarily give out, and sometimes there are a large number of 
> 	students who fit the scholarship criteria.  If they remember you,
> 	you might luck out.

I can't agree more! PLEASE stop in and see your financial aid office
every semester! Keep your name in their heads.

Ask about the status of your FAF (you show interest)

tell them your sob story "I just had to spend $500 on car" (show genuine need)

tell them of your academic success (show you're serious)

make sure you tell them of any activities you're in (activity-specific grants)

tell them of course of study (major) changes (major-specific grants)

make sure they know your parents place of work (employer-specific grants)

make sure they know parents club memberships (elks, rotary, etc grants)

ditto religious affiliation etc tell them your life story!

One last thing, see the above and do it!

rand
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: coxc0001@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Mert Buyukyazgan)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: UC Berkeley Zip Code (extended studies) ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:49:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucselx.1992Apr8.224908.9858
Distribution: usa
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services

Subject asks it.
Mert
Xref: sparky soc.college:2013 talk.rape:932 soc.women:9082
From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.college,talk.rape,soc.women
Subject: Re: fraternities
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:18:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

> Is this what passes for thinking among undergrads these days?

> No, you twit; note Ted's use of quote marks, often indicative in the

> 
> With all respect my foot.  Your willful disregard of the facts that
> Ted has offered on several occasions indicates that you're the one
> dreaming up "scenerios" (Hint: those quote marks indicate disdain
> here.  Tricky buggers, ain't they?) to suit your oafish
> preconceptions.
> 

Y'know, I often find that those of us with weaker arguments and little to 
say are also those who resort to insults.

Mike
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Subject: Re: HELP!!!  ACCOMODATIONS NEEDED!
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 20:07:18 GMT


This has reminded me of something that I may have to do in the 
near future.  I may be attending graduate school at Purdue in 
the fall.  Purdue is supposed to send information on housing
but I thought I would check here as well.  So, any help with 
housing in the West Lafayette Indiana area would be most 
appreciated.  It's hard to compare areas unless someone is 
familiar with both areas, but...  I am now at the University
of Dayton in Dayton Ohio.  The apartment I have now is a one
bedroom furnished that is just over a mile from campus for 
$265 / month (I pay my heat and electric--level bill=$26).
It is in a relativly good/safe neighborhood, clean, a well 
maintained older building (built in the 1950s ?).  This is 
what is available in Dayton.  This description may not help,
but then it couldn't hurt...  What can I expect in Lafayette 
or West Lafayette.  

Thanks for any help.


>US$400 (is that reasonable?  I don't know), pets are allowed,

I don't know about Oklahoma, but in Dayton Ohio you can get a 
very nice place (apartment or small house) for $400 / month.

-- 
fortmapl@dayton.bitnet
fortmapl@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu
From: kos@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (andrew.r.kostic)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Steam Tunnels at Duke Univ.
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:42:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


There is an extensive network of steam tunnels at Duke,
and we used to explore them regularly, until another
group of students got caught in them and almost were expelled.

We didn't have a map, so it was true subterranean exploration.
As I recall, we would start out on the main quad on East Campus
after dinner and wander around in various directions.  

There were rumours that there was a tunnel that ran all the
way to West Campus, but we didn't manage to find it before the
Inquisition put an end to the fun.  We did get past the bridge
on the way to West one time, but ran into a work crew and had 
to stalk back to the entrance to avoid detection.  One time
we surfaced in some professor's locked office and almost got
stuck there.  What fun!

Anyone at Duke ever go tunnelling these days?  Please respond
by e-mail or to soc.college.  We don't get the alt.groups here.


Andy Kostic
ark@whamg.att.com
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: fraternities and drug use
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:33:21 GMT

sag0798@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sassan Attari ) writes:
>ejohnson@cs.washington.edu (Eric Johnson) writes:
>>In article <703312734251@dingding.mcs.anl.gov> madden@dingding.mcs.anl.gov (Mr. William P. Madden) writes:
>>I find that drug use here at UW tends to be very localized. I pledged late
>>in my freshman year from the dorms (where drugs were widespread) into
>>a house. There were (and have yet to be since I have been here - I'm a 
>>senior now) no drugs of any kind, barring alcohol used by any member.
>>I thought this was the case at all houses until I started going to 
>>parties at other fraternities. Some were just open about it, others, like 
>>my fraternity, had no use (not that we didn't drink enough beers or
>>anything :) at all. At least here, the houses that get into that scene tend
>>to get shut down or shaken up pretty quick. I don't know what it is like
>>nationally, but here the dorms were much worse than anything I've seen in
>>the greek system, and we've got the largest greek system in this half of the
>>country.

>This is true also for U of I - Champaign/Urbana.  I lived on a floor in the 
>dorms that had pretty wide spread use of drugs.  But I haven't seen drug use
>at all in the greek system, personally.  But there was a fraternity that 
>sold its house (due to lack of funds) to the University.  When the University
>inspectors went in, they found a bunch of equipment and seeds for growing 
>marijuana in the attic.
*----
Illegal drug use is less likely to be carried out in the open than
illegal consumption of alcohol, which is widely accepted on college
campuses.  The Acacia House example cited above is a good indicator:
15 pounds of marijuana stems and seeds were found in the attic, along
with evidence of a growing operation.  Imagine how much they must
have harvested if 15 lbs of refuse was left behind.

So the fact that you aren't aware of the activity, even in your own
house, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

In fact, I have firsthand knowledge of illegal drug use in several
fraternities on the UI campus.  I KNOW it happens.

--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: pshuang@athena.mit.edu (Ping-Shun Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: College guides
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:42:42 GMT
	<1992Apr16.011443.29900@midway.uchicago.edu>
Followup-To: soc.college
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Side note: I've changed the subject of this reply so as not to have the
article killed by any kill files keying to "[Ff]rat".

In article <1992Apr16.011443.29900@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

 > Is there a college guide out there that's ever remotely accurate?

I don't know of very many good ones. Actually, when I must amuse myself
for a brief period of time at a bookstore (brief meaning I cannot delve
into a book for real) I look through the college guides there to see how
inaccurate or accurate they are. They're generally consistent on the
numbers, probably because they get them from the same sources or copy
them from each other. I have not found one which was so much better than
any of the others that I would highly recommend it to anyone I know
trying to figure out where they want to go to college.

I would probably recommend campus visits over reading these guides, most
of which seem to fall into two categories, at least for the effect they
had on me: (a) produced by so many people that every description seems
to be made of the same pre-digested pap and therefore completely
useless; (b) produced by so few people that their personal biases and
opinions show through more than anything about the school as a whole.

If you have a friend there, going for a couple of days and *NOT* going
on the pre-arranged tours and events for pre-freshmen, but simply
participating in a few days of activities, gives a much better feel for
whether you want to go there than anything else could. Sadly, this is
often not an option financially. I made up my mind to come to MIT after
deciding to visit ten days before the deadline, at which point I missed
all the Admissions Office programs but stayed up until four or five
every night talking to people while playing pool.

Also, if there are any student-produced guides to the school, they can
tell you a lot about what the campus is like. For the last fifteen
years, there's been copies of a three-hundred page booklet called "How
to Get Around MIT", universally abbreviated to "How to GAMIT", which
goes to all the freshmen when they arrive in the fall, that is packed
full of information you would never get from official brochures. I only
wished they would send them to pre-freshmen as well.

--
Above text where applicable is (c) Copyleft 1991, all rights deserved by:
UNIX:/etc/ping instantiated (Ping Huang) [INTERNET: pshuang@athena.mit.edu]
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: cw21219@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Che-Yuan Wang )
Subject: Tulane's email address
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:02:20 GMT

If anyone knows the email address for Tulane.
Could you please respond by email? Thanks

Newsgroups: soc.college
From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Subject: Greek? (was: Fraternities)
Summary: What's Greek about it?
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:51:11 GMT
Organization: The Witherspoon Excludables

In <aelman.703271831@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>, aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU stated:
>
>Greeks have housing privileges only inasmuch as they already have the
etc.

Perhaps someone can clarify an issue for one whose college had no
fraternities or sororities....

Why "Greek"?  Besides the names, what's the least bit Greek about the
Greek system?

I am not being cute; on the contrary, I'm dead serious.  Is there some
deeper connection between frats and classical _paideia_?  Were frats
supposed to be scholarly societies many moons ago?  Is there some
ostensible relation between Hellenic social values and our modern-day
Greeks?  (Or would revealing any of this violate the secrecy of some
abhorrent Eleusinian mysteries?)

In short, and euphony aside, why not Cuneiform Week instead?

-- 
		  For a Big Lie, call 1-800-424-9090

	Mark Eckenwiler    eck@panix.com    ...!cmcl2!panix!eck
Newsgroups: soc.college
From: kos@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (andrew.r.kostic)
Subject: Steam Tunnels at U.Penn
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:43:13 GMT


There was an old white-bearded man who lived in the tunnels
under and around the Penn campus.  (This is back in 1982-3).
I got the shock of my life one day when I was walking alone
down the street a couple of blocks from campus.  All of a
sudden, a manhole cover popped up and this Aqualung-type
fellow climbed out, dusted himself off, and walked into the
deli. 

A few months later, he died and his obituary ran on the front
page of the local paper.  Apparently, he had lived there for
years and was quite well known to the local populace.

Andy Kostic
ark@whamg.att.com
From: gfuller@NeXT.Com (Gary W. Fuller )
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Va Tech vs. CMU Architecture Programs
Keywords: Architecture
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:29:37 GMT
Reply-To: gfuller@NeXT.Com

I have a friend who will be making a near-term decision to attend either  
Virginia Tech (Blacksburg) or Carnegie Mellon (Pittsburgh) in undergraduate  
architecture. Would appreciate hearing from any students with pros and cons of  
one school over the other in general and about their architecture programs in  
particular.

If any reader is currently a freshman in undergraduate architecture at one of  
the above schools and would like to cite any experiences about the program  
(whether good or bad), including courses to select or avoid, professors, etc.  
I'd be grateful.

If other readers have comments on architecture as a major, particularly the  
degree to which computers are utilized in the program, I'd like to hear from  
you also.

Thanks in advance.

Would appreciate replies via e-mail directly to gfuller@NeXT.Com

Gary W. Fuller
Consultant to NeXT Computer, Inc.
McLean, VA
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Re: Fraternities
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:48:17 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr16.081702.4014@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> wasylik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Wasylik) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.181527.13739@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Follow-ups out of alt.folklore.college
>>The United States Supreme Court has held that fraternity membership is
>>not protected by the Constitution should a college choose to regulate it.
>
>The Supreme Court is NOT infalliable.  

Okay, the United States Supreme Court and every other court in the last
125 years that's ruled on the matter.  Not conclusive, but highly
probative.

>"Freedom of association" is by
>definition, the right to form and join whatever organizations one wishes. 

So if the NAACP kicked you out for joining the Klan, is that a violation
of your freedom of association?  For that matter, if a court insists that
the NAACP not kick someone out for joining the Klan, is that a violation
of *their* freedom of association?

Freedom of association cuts both ways, Michael.  The university has a
right to choose who it associates with, also (otherwise there wouldn't
be an admissions process, they'd just sell the slots to the highest
bidder), and they can choose whatever criteria they want to do so.
If you wrote an admissions essay praising Hitler, a university wouldn't
admit you no matter how wonderful your SAT scores were.  

>Even the Klan is legally allowed to exist -- mere association does no one
>harm. If the group sanctions illegal activities, then it may be punished for
>them.  Tenuous evidence of "providing an atmosphere conducive to..."  whatever
>actions, is hardly sufficient grounds for banning such oorganizations.

How about "creating an atmosphere contrary to the goals and ideals of
this university," which is the reason most universities have given
(and courts have allowed, if they bothered to question the university's
policy at all) when they abolished their fraternity system.

>>You have freedom of association to choose to go to a college that doesn't
>>have the sense to abolish fraternities.
>
>Freedom of association has nothing to do with choosing an institution of
>higher learning.  

It has everything to do with the admissions process of an institution of
higher learning.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "Question whether attorney's filing claim for 'stud fee'
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  as countersuit to paternity action was improperly
U o' C Law Skool   +  motivated required remand."  Headnote 9, Committee on
Chi, IL 60637      +  Legal Ethics of WVa State Bar v Douglas, 370 SE2d 325.
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: soc.college
Subject: Not About Fraternities
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:14:43 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Followup-To: soc.college,alt.college.folklore
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr16.002949.12042@cs.rose-hulman.edu> erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin) writes:
>	Is this soc.fraternity or soc.college?  Currently, I have 36  
>unread articles and 34 are about fraternities.  Come on!!

Actually, twelve are about fraternities, and 22 are messages like yours
saying that nothing gets posted except messages complaining about
messages like yours.  Quite postmodern in its self-referentialism, no?

So in the interests of group harmony, I'll introduce another thread --
college guides.

Is there a college guide out there that's ever remotely accurate?  The
Fiske Guide has been running the same summaries of schools since 1985,
changing only the year on the cover as far as I can tell.  The Yale
Daily News puts itself forward as if it were objective, but they seem
to be wrong about a lot of issues.

My only personal direct experience came when I was interviewed for the
"New! Improved!" Lisa Birnbach-or-whatever-her-name-is Guide to the
Colleges.  As far as I can tell, she only interviewed four people at
Brandeis, 'cause every third thing in quotes is mine (except the stuff
on frats, surprisingly enough :)  (I got interviewed for the National
Review college guide, also, but they didn't print an entry for Brandeis.)

(I also somehow got randomly picked by the Boston Globe in 1988 to
represent Brandeis in a discussion on college fashions.  But that's another
story...)
-- 
Ted Frank          + "He wanted to be the car rather than the thimble or the
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  hat."  -- District attorney explaining Marc Cienkowski's
U o' C Law Skool   +  murder with bow and arrow of Michael Klucznik in
Chi, IL 60637      +  Doylestown Borough, PA over a game of Monopoly.