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From: clark@cme.nist.gov (Steve Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: David Wilcox
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:47:19 GMT
	<priley.723394926@convex.convex.com>
	<1992Dec10.013322.19164@nysernet.org>
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology
In-reply-to: alan@lpl.org's message of 10 Dec 92 01:33:22 GMT

>>>>> On 10 Dec 92 01:33:22 GMT, alan@lpl.org (Alan Rowoth) said:

Alan> ... and his impossible to get, cassette only, first release
Alan> "Nightshift Watchman" thru the club. 

Actually, I made quite the serendipitous find this weekend.  I was at
my favorite huge used CD/vinyl place, and on a whim looked up David
Wilcox in the vinyl section (first time I'd ever thought to look
there), and there sat a copy of Nightshift Watchman.  For $7.  The
cover's in mint condition, and it still has the "inspected by" slip
inside.  The second track on side 1 (forget the title ... but it must
have been the "emphasis track") is pretty worn, but the rest of the
disk sounds fantastic.

Alan>  I have heard the new record and there is some fabulous
Alan> stuff on it.

What, you have a demo?  Wanna share?  Want some IG stuff?

Don't wanna wait til January!

-steve
Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 12:00:29 -0500 
From: "Jane F. Kinkus" <jk79+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Stephen Foster
	<1992Dec16.202824.10781@sequent.com>

hey, norton:

maybe you should do a feature about the song "hard times"!!!
(have you seen the pbs special on "amazing grace"?)

--jane 

p.s. i like brian bower's version a lot!!!
From: ndrose@husc8.harvard.edu (Nathan Rose)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: The Great Selkie of Sule Skerrie
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:31:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Dec15.143104.18528
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

If you really want to explore the options, the absolute best place to look
for variant tunes of Child Ballads is Bronson's collection.

Nathan Rose
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: rblackma@nyx.cs.du.edu (robert blackman)
Subject: Stephen Foster
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:23:30 GMT


Emmylou Harris has also recorded "Hard Times" on our recent album
"Live at the Ryman."
One of my very favorite recordings of a Foster song is Cathy Fink's
beautiful version of "My Old Kentucky Home" on "Doggone My Time"
(Sugar Hill records).
There's a new album in the classical bins of Stephen Foster songs --
I forget the singer's name but Jay Ungar and Molly Mason back him up.
I believe this has actually been on the Billboard classical charts.
I assume the singer is sort of operatic in approach, although anything
with Jay and Molly is worth hearing.  (If anyone reading this HAS heard
that one, I'd be interested in a review.)
S

Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:15:32 -0500 
From: "Jane F. Kinkus" <jk79+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Simple Banjo Questions


>1. What are the respective advantages/disadvantages of a tenor banjo
>over a 5-string banjo?  Is one of the twain more popular for certain
>styles of music?  [I have a strong interest in doing folk, and that's
>about it. ;-]

a tenor banjo has four strings, and i generally associate it with that
"rag time" style of banjo playing--the pittsburgh banjo club specializes
in this style of playing.

if you are interested in playing folk, then you'd be interested in a
five-string banjo.  there are two main types:  old-time banjo, and
bluegrass banjo.  they are pretty much the same except the bluegrass
banjo has a resonator on the back that gives the notes that nice, tinny
bluegrass sound.  the old time banjo does not have a resonator, so the
sound is a little ... hmmm, it's hard to describe the way things sound,
isn't it!  let's put it this way:  bluegrass has a "shiny" sound, and
old time has more of a "matte finish."  anyway, i've seen pete seeger
and i think he's plays in both styles;  i think when i saw him in may,
he was playing both styles on a bluegrass banjo.

it is true that cmu's libraries do not have many books on banjos;  you
might have more luck checking out the music department of the carnegie
library of pittsburgh.

in pittsburgh you can call calliope, the pgh folk music society, and
find out if any banjo classes will be held this winter (starting
probably in january or february).  calliope's phone:  687-7713.


>3. Do people who seem to find the guitar as a "natural" instrument (i.e.
>the instrument just flat out teaches _itself_ with maybe an hour of
>lessons every year or so) tend to find the banjo to be likewise?

banjo playing is fun, and the fact that you already play guitar will
probably make it all the easier for you to pick up any style of banjo. 
i took some old-time banjo lessons a couple of years ago, have kind of
fallen away from it for a while, and am looking forward to getting a new
banjo, perhaps a bluegrass banjo, when i get a more lucrative job. i'll
tell you this, though:  i practiced diligently for several months on a
really crummy banjo i picked up at a thrift store, and i thought i could
play decently at best.  but once when i had the chance to try one of
goose acre's (cleveland) $1000 banjos at the smoky city folk festival, i
realized that i could really play well--people were watching me like,
hey, that chick can play!  it seems that a well-made instrument makes
ALL THE DIFFERENCE!  

Good Luck and Enjoy Your Banjo!!!
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Makem & Clancy, Waltzing Mathilda, Rostubble
From: choover@charlie.usd.edu (Christopher J. Hoover)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:19:00 GMT
Reply-To: choover@charlie.usd.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.

In article <1992Dec15.094854.8168@teetot.acusd.edu>, jerry@teetot.acusd.edu (Jerry Stratton) writes:
>Okay, here's a lyric question for y'all. I've got an ancient Makem &
>Clancy tape; in the song 'Waltzing Mathilda' (which is not the standard
>Waltzing Mathilda previously posted), there's the following lines:
>
>"Waltzing Mathilda, Waltzing Mathilda,
> Who'll come a Waltzing Mathilda with me?
> and their ghosts may be heard
> as they march by the temenole,
> who'll come a Waltzing Mathilda with me?"
>
>Okay, what are they marching by? It sounds sort of like what I've
>written, but this poor American boy can't quite make out what they're
>saying.

If it's from the Clancy/Makem double live album from Dublin, they're singing
"billabong," not "temenole."  Unfortunately, I don't know what either is, but
I'm sure any Aussie net.folk can fill that in.

>
>There's another song that goes:
>
>"So farewell to the guns and the drilling and the marching,
> and when I get back home no more soldierin' for me.
> Oh, I'm going back to the town of Rostobble,"
> (near all sorts of neat stuff).
>
>What's the name of the town?
>
>Also, does anyone know where I can get Makem & Clancy albums? This tape
>was old when I got it, and is getting harder and harder to deal with.
>It'd be nice to have a record or CD.

On place I know for sure could get it for you is a place in the Twin Cities
called the Homestead Pickin' Parlor, an excellent folk music store.  I have the
address and phone number at home, and will post them up this afternoon.  Also,
I believe a lot of the Clancy and Makem stuff is on the Shannachie label, and
I'm pretty sure Shannachie puts out a catalog.  The folks at the Pickin' Parlor
might be able to get you in touch with Shannachie, or simply order the albums
for you.

>
>Jerry Stratton
>jerry@teetot.acusd.edu
>-----
>"And the young people ask, what are they marching for....
> and I ask myself the same question.
> And the band plays Waltzing Mathilda;
> and the old men still answer the call
> and year after year, the numbers get fewer...
> someday no one will march there at all."
>                     -- Waltzing Mathilda
>                        Makem & Clancy
>-- 
>jerry@teetot.acusd.edu

Actually, that particular song is titled "The Band Played Waltzing Matilda,"
but that's sorta quibbling.  It's a favorite of mine, too, and one of the first
folksongs I worked out to accompany myself as I was learning to play guitar. 
I've also heard renditions of it by the Dubliners (a bit more rough and drunken
in style than Clancy/Makem), and the Pogues (to say the least, unique--but
good).  Anyone out there know who actually _wrote_ it?

Chris

---

Christopher Hoover
Network Coordinator for Student Life
User Services, University of South Dakota
choover@charlie.usd.edu
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From: edwardd@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Simple Banjo Questions
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:10:39 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana


Tenor banjos are also popular in Irish circles for playing fiddle tunes.
This is probably nothing like playing guitar unless you are a good flat
picker.

I'm doing the opposite, I've played clawhammer banjo for years because
the guitar had too many dang strings and you have to mash them down so
hard to cut out all the buzzing.  I just purchased a guitar and am a little
less intimidated. You'll find the banjo easy and FUN.

I'd have to say for ease, Clawhammer style on a regular open back banjo
will get you the farthest the fastest.  Bluegrass style is facinating to
play, mezmerizing really, but seems like a lot more work.  Fretless 5 string
banjos are also facinating and great to play with a good fiddler,  but 
DO NOT start out on one.  I think they are an aquired taste.

There are many good books on clawhammer banjo, and the basic motions you
can comprehend in an hour or so.  The rest is practice.

ed
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.german
From: icking@gmd.de (Werner Icking)
Subject: Re: Looking for German lyrics of "Die Gedanken Sind Frei"
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:07:52 GMT

In <92352.151533U15289@uicvm.uic.edu> <U15289@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>For some time, I've been trying to track down the original German lyrics of
>the old university song, "Die Gedanken Sind Frei," [...]

I try --- from memory:

 Die Gedanken sind frei,
 wer kann sie erraten.
 Sie fliegen vorbei,
 wie naechtliche Schatten.                       (ae = \"a = a-Umlaut)
 Kein Mensch kann sie wissen,
 kein Jaeger erschiessen:            (ae = ...)  (ss = sz = \"ss = Eszett)
 Es bleibet dabei,
 Die Gedanken sind frei.

Werner
--
Werner Icking        Werner.Icking@gmd.de        (+49 2241) 14-2443     __o
GMD - Gesellschaft fuer Mathematik und Datenverarbeitung mbH          _`\<,_
Schloss Birlinghoven, P.O.Box 1316, D-5205 Sankt Augustin, Germany   (_)/ (_)
                             "Der Dativ ist dem Genitiv sein Tod." ~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: Lyrics
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:42:14 GMT


In article <BzFD9n.Kp@world.std.com> jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman) writes:
>bulger@ug.cs.dal.ca (Fred Bulger) writes:
>
>>   I haven't been able to find the lyrics to these songs anywhere on the net,
>>so I would greatly appreciate it if anybody could help me out :
>
>>  "Galoway Races "   Irish folk song
>
>Auden got it from the _Golden Treasury of Irish Verse_, edited by
>Lennox Robinson.  If you can't find either book, let me know, and I'll
>post the whole thing.

I'd be interested in all the lyrics; if you could post or email them to
me I'd be most appreciative.

>I have never heard or seen a tune for it.  If you know one, I'd be
>much obliged.

This song appears on a Liam Clancy CD entitled simply "Liam Clancy." It
apears to be a CD reissue of an older album, judging by how young Liam
looks in the picture on the front. ;-) If memory serves, it's on the
Columbia or Vanguard label. Should still be available - I got mine
within the last 6 months.
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Simple Banjo Questions
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:43:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

#>>1. What are the respective advantages/disadvantages of a tenor banjo
#>>over a 5-string banjo?  Is one of the twain more popular for certain
#>>styles of music?  [I have a strong interest in doing folk, and that's
#>>about it. ;-]

If you haven't bought your banjo yet and are interested in
old-time, there is a company in Minnesota that sells a
mountain banjo (with or without frets) as a kit for about
$120 or assembled for about $200. (Unfortunately, I don't
have their address with me. I bought mine from a store near
Mendocino, California called Lark in the Morning.)

I bought the fretless model. People are always remarking on
how good the tone is. It has a cherry body with a rosewood
veneer fingerboard and a goatskin head. I also have two
other, much more expensive, banjos. But the HERE banjo is
certainly very playable, sounds good, and will fit most
budgets.

You asked about how guitar experience will help on the
banjo. Especially in bluegrass banjo, where standard
tuning is used most often, but even in old-time, if you
are playing in standard G or A tuning, you will find that
the second, third, and, fourth banjo strings are tuned to
the same interval as the same strings on the guitar. In
G, they are tuned to the same notes. The first string of
the guitar is two frets higher. Knowing that, you can derive
lots of chords and use lots of left-hand techniques on
strings 2, 3, and 4.

Right-hand technique, however, has very little overlap
between guitar and banjo.

Steve Goldfield        :<{  {>:           sag@hera.berkeley.edu
University of California at Berkeley     Richmond Field Station
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Simple Banjo Questions
Date: 17 Dec 1992 00:05:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

In article <jimcole-161292131811@mace701.mv.us.adobe.com> jimcole@adobe.com (Jim Cole) writes:

#>> 
#>> Right-hand technique, however, has very little overlap
#>> between guitar and banjo.
#>> 
#>> Steve Goldfield        :<{  {>:           sag@hera.berkeley.edu
#>> University of California at Berkeley     Richmond Field Station
#>
#>---------------------
#>
#>People have been known to play the banjo like it's a guitar.  I think Jerry
#>Garcia sounds like that when he plays banjo.
#>
#>Jim Cole

I'm not sure what Jerry is doing, but there is also a beast
called a guitar-banjo. Rev. Gary Davis had one (I saw it in
his living room once and asked what it was) and recorded
with it on his instrumental album on Prestige.

Steve Goldfield        :<{  {>:           sag@hera.berkeley.edu
University of California at Berkeley     Richmond Field Station
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 18 Dec 1992 13:41:29 CST
From: <U15289@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Laura Nyro

Anybody know if _Mother's Spiritual_ is still available as a cutout tape,
CD, or otherwise?  It was her last album for Columbia.

                                                  Mitch Pravatiner
                                                  U15289@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: jimcole@adobe.com (Jim Cole)
Subject: Re: Simple Banjo Questions
Followup-To: rec.music.folk
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:20:16 GMT


> You asked about how guitar experience will help on the
> banjo. Especially in bluegrass banjo, where standard
> tuning is used most often, but even in old-time, if you
> are playing in standard G or A tuning, you will find that
> the second, third, and, fourth banjo strings are tuned to
> the same interval as the same strings on the guitar. In
> G, they are tuned to the same notes. The first string of
> the guitar is two frets higher. Knowing that, you can derive
> lots of chords and use lots of left-hand techniques on
> strings 2, 3, and 4.
> 
> Right-hand technique, however, has very little overlap
> between guitar and banjo.
> 
> Steve Goldfield        :<{  {>:           sag@hera.berkeley.edu
> University of California at Berkeley     Richmond Field Station

---------------------

People have been known to play the banjo like it's a guitar.  I think Jerry
Garcia sounds like that when he plays banjo.

Jim Cole
From: lewis@vanilla.research.att.com (David Lewis)
Subject: want title/artist for album with song "Barbeque"
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 15:52:58 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: /home/lewis/.organization


Hi -- I heard some selections from a folk album a few weeks ago on a
local NPR affiliate. I remember in particular a song called "Barbeque"
with the refrain:

  "Whoa, Momma, whatever you do.
   Don't get behind on your barbeque!"

The songs had an Appalachian theme to them.  I didn't make a note of
the name of the group or the album, and now am going crazy trying
to remember them.  Anyone recognize this?

--dave
--
David D. Lewis                    
AT&T Bell Laboratories            email: lewis@research.att.com
600 Mountain Ave.; Room 2C409     ph. 908-582-3976
Murray Hill, NJ  07974; USA       dept. fax. 908-582-7550
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: caastanl@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Alan Stanley)
Subject: Re: Simple Banjo Questions
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
 
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:16:59 GMT

I play all three types, but find clawhammer to be the most interesting and
useful for the styles of music I play.  I'm now going to shamelessly plug
the recordings of a good friend of mine from the Boston area, and suggest
you get a copy of anything thet Ken Perlman has recorded to here clawhammer
at its best.

In answer to your next question I'd have to say that playing any stringed
fretted instrument helps you play any other stringed fretted instrument, but
don't expect the transition to be immediate.

Alan Stanley


Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan)
Subject: Re: And the Band played Waltzing Mathilda
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:01:36 GMT

Thanks to the people who posted the lyrics to this song. Now, can
somebody also post the words to the spoof of it entitled "And the Band
Played 'And the Band Played Waltzing Mathilda'" ???

I've heard *of* this song, but I haven't actually heard it and am
curious.
From: pries@pws.ma30.bull.com (Jerri Pries)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Folkway (Peterborough,NH) Schedule
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:59:00 GMT
Organization: Bull Info Sys

Please post again (I know I saw it but forgot to save it) the
schedule of events for the Folkway. Thanks in advance.

Jerri Pries	
pries@unidesk.com
From: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: new incredible string
Date: 20 Dec 92 15:50:16 EST
Reply-To: "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

On 12-20-92 DAVID ELWORTHY wrote:

DEThe new edition of Folk Roots lists the following new CDs:
DE ISB: Earthspan and No Ruinous Feud (Edsel) - not two of my favourites.
DE Robin Williamson: Myrrh (Edsel) - a gem.
DE ISB: Live in Concert 1971-72 (Windsong International)

Thanks for the post. For those of you in or around the *other*
Cambridge, i.e. Cambridge MA, Earthspan and No Ruinous  Feud are
available as $20 import CDs in Briggs and Briggs. I saw them
there yesterday. Neither is one of my favorites either. I wish we
could get a hold of the other ISB CDs -- Wee Tam, Big Huge,
Hangman... -- here.

                   |
...eliot          -*-              Postlink: ->CHANNEL1 [R/O okay]
                   |               Internet: eliot.gelwan@channel1.com

---
EZ 1.39 #178 [in Brookline MA  3:31 pm, Sunday 12/20/92]
--
Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA
From: jmf@endor.harvard.edu ( ghost )
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: The Great Selkie of Sule Skerrie
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:33:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Dec14.033334.15950
Organization: DAS Purchasing, Harvard University

In article <1geb7lINNevl@pith.uoregon.edu> tenny@euclid.uucp (Nathan Tenny) writes:
>
>Does anyone have a working melody for this song?  There's one in the Viking
>Press collection of ballads, but it's kind of clunky and obvious to my
>ears.

Its got to be in any Joan Baez songbook worth its salt,
if what you want is chords & such;
if you've actually never heard it (hard to believe)
its on: Joan Baez Vol 2, Vanguard VSD-2097.
This is *the* version.

Its also on a Lui Collins album somewhere.
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Lyrics wanted - The Wiffinpoof Song
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:54:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bz9J6L.I93
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Dec8.232621.12823@bsu-ucs> 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington) writes:

>My mom asked me to post this... she was looking for the words
>to the Wiffinpoof song (or however you spell it)... My grandfather
>used to sing it every time he went to the pub and it has kind of
>special meaning... to us at least...

Isn't this the Whiffenpoof Song that Bing Crosby used to sing? The
one about the little black sheep that lost their way, baa baa baa?





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From: wegeng@xerox.com (Don Wegeng)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Two Folk Periodicals of Interest
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:05:22 GMT
Reply-To: wegeng@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corp., Henrietta, NY

I'm currently receiving two folk-related periodicals that may be of
interest.

The first is a new magazine called "Folk Music Quarterly".  I met the
publisher at the Philly Folk Fest this past summer, and was asked if
I would like to receive a free one year subscription (he asked everyone
that he spoke with).  Sure, I said.  The first issue arrived a couple
weeks ago, and it's 13 pages long. This issue has an interview with
Tom Rush, plus articles about clubs, new artists, the media & folk
music, etc.  One year subscriptions are currently free, though renewals
will not be free.  For a free subscription write:

	Folk Music Quarterly, Subscription Dept.
	PO Box 7263
	West Trenton, NJ 08618

The second periodical is called "Zassafras Music News", and is published
by Crow Johnson.  It's dedicated to spreading small bits of news about
mostly unknown performers, who "join" the ZMN Sounding Board.  The mailing
list for ZMN consists of subscribers ($7/year - 4 issues) plus names
that are provided by Sounding Board Members.  I've found this publication
to be useful to learn about new performers, plus Crow maintains a pretty
laid back attitude that's very consistant with my own view of the folk
scene.  Anyway, to subscribe send $7 to:

	Zassafras Music News
	PO Box 1000
	Gravette, AR 72736-1000

You can join the Sounding Board for $35 (include a photo of yourself
or your band, some info to be printed about you/the band, and a list
of 100 names and addresses of friends/fans who will receive a free
issue of ZMN).

/Don
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