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From: mojo@reed.edu (The Man Who Lived On Top Of The Sun)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Christian Metal ???
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:05:15 GMT
Organization: Youth Hostile, Portland, OR Else


I think most bands that start with a message and try to build music around
it get boring fast; this is at least as true of political subjects as
religious ones.  (I'm thinking of ten thousand bad protest folksingers here.)
The monotonous, subject-obsessive Christian metal is, I think, made by
people who either: (1) think faith is a workable substitute for creativity;
or (2) don't distinguish between their identities and their religions.

By just about any standard, King's X is a Christian metal band; I believe
Fates Warning is as well.  There are probably others we don't know about.
Presumably these are people who find Christianity to be a source of freedom,
rather than an impediment to it.  (I don't entirely understand how people
reconcile their individuality with *any* organized religion---but it seems
to work for lots of them.)

Note, too, Maiden's "Rime of the Ancient Mariner": "To teach God's word by
his own example/That we must love all things that God made."  I don't know
if the sentiments are shared by the band, or just inherited from the
original poem.

Damn, this is disorganized.  I thjink I've had too much coffee.

	NT
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From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Christian Metal ???
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:26:50 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <1992Sep29.063228.2831@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>>>
>>Maiden's Rime is not religion-specific.  By saying "God" you could be
>>saying Allah, Zeus, YHWH, The Trinity, or the nearest tree; the same goes
>>for the poem, though it's a safe assumption that Coleridge was Christian.
>>
>"Rime" doesn't seem to have been a good example. Perhaps a better example 
>would have been "Revelations," which seems to be much more religiously 
>motivated and not influenced by a literary work (not that the Bible isn't 
>a literary work -

Revelations may not have been influenced by a religious work, but the
intro verse is taken directly from a Christian hymn. I don't remember
the name, though. When I was in high school, myself and a friend, who 
also went to church at the time, would sit together and play tic-tac-toe
and hangman during the sermons. One Sunday, we flipped through a hymnal
and found a song which had the first verse

"Oh God of earth and altar, bow down and hear our cry / Our earthy rulers
falter, out people drift and die / The walls of gold entomb us, the
swords of scorn divide / Take not thy thunder from us, take away our
pride." (I'm doing this from memory, so please forgive typos (hymn-os?).

Being Maiden fans fresh from our first Maiden concert (Piece of Mind),
we got excited and started putting "hymn request forms" in the offering
plate until the pastor decided to have the congregation sing the song.

Needless to say, Maiden's version sounded much better :-).

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Subject: Looking for Eddie...
From: lpfaig@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:36:27 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

I'm looking for this guy named Eddie who exchanged some tapes with me last
Spring

You're a big ryche fan!!!

           "Next thing you know, they'll take my thoughts away"             
                                               -Megadeth                



       Lance        (forgive me for any mispelled words :) )
From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Dream Theater TOUR DATES!
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:16:51 GMT
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.

Yeah man!!
		I'm dying to see Dream Theater. When are they playing Britain????

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From: levin@lmoadm.enet.dec.com (Suegene Levin)
Subject: Dream Theater ... tour
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:41:25 GMT

Has anyone seen Dream Theater on the latest tour? Any reviews? I'm hoping to
see them tomorrow night at the Axis Club in Boston...  I'd like to know how
their tour is doing so far.

Thanks,

Suegene
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From: HEGE@finabo.abo.fi (Kaj H{ggman DC)
Subject: Re: Extreme
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:46:51 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <1992Sep28.021148.6955@samba.oit.unc.edu> Phil.Powell@bbs.oit.unc.edu writes:
> 
> What's the big deal with these bands now? Extreme has two songs on their
> new album - "Our Father" and "God Isn't Dead?"... hmm... produced by Nuno
> nonetheless... I know that Gary Cherone was interviewed in Heaven's Metal
> a few years ago... I wonder..
> Also I heard some things in the Christian leaning department with War
> Babies and Babylon A.D... 
> I wanna know the big deal... it'd sure be cool!

As far as I know they've always been a "Christian" band as far as lyrics
go, they've just never been pushing that message to their fans (you won't
hear any "Halleluja's" in their concerts :-)

I think that's a great attitude, I don't mind their lyrics, especially
as they tell about other things about our society, too.

And best of all - THEY MAKE GREAT MUSIC!

-=HeGe=-

Kaj Haggman             Internet: Hege@abo.fi     Phone:   +358-21-654467
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: rarubio@dante.nmsu.edu (RUBIO)
Subject: T-Ride
Keywords: t-ride
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:39:20 GMT

	I recently picked up a copy of T-Ride's first album and I love it.
It was in the metal section although I dont know if it falls quite within
the already blurry definition of metal.
	Some stuff if youve never heard of them : Its three guys, Jeff Tyson
,the lead guitarist, is a student of Joe Satriani (as was Alex Skolnick of 
Testament, Kirk Hammet of Metallica, and Steve Vai with whoever he's with now).
The music is thick on vocal harmonies, the rythms are cool and different and 
I think that they are over all very very progressive.  Give 'em a listen if 
you get a chance.  Some people describe them as Queen pushed ahead 20 years.
	Anyhow I was wonder if anybody knew anything else about them?
From: bart@muppet.bt.co.uk (Tim)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Dream Theater TOUR DATES!
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:23:38 GMT
Reply-To: bart@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

You say its a world tour.

Then please post the British dates...

thanx in advance

Tim
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The harvester lives, with arms that are bent	
And toes that cross, and knees that jerk	<-- British Telecom Labs -->
And necks like swans that seem to turn
As if inclined to gasp for breath...	- Quicklime Girl - , BOC
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From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Subject: Re: Dream Theater's first release..
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 09:13:25 GMT

In Britain, Dream Theater's first CD has been deleted, and there doesn't seem
much hope at the present that it will be re-released, although you never know
with these record companies. However I picked up my copy second hand in a record
shop. It was very cheap and well worth buying. Good luck........

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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Christian Metal ???
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:32:28 GMT

>>
>>Note, too, Maiden's "Rime of the Ancient Mariner": "To teach God's word by
>>his own example/That we must love all things that God made."  I don't know
>>if the sentiments are shared by the band, or just inherited from the
>>original poem.
>
>Maiden's Rime is not religion-specific.  By saying "God" you could be
>saying Allah, Zeus, YHWH, The Trinity, or the nearest tree; the same goes
>for the poem, though it's a safe assumption that Coleridge was Christian.
>
"Rime" doesn't seem to have been a good example. Perhaps a better example would
have been "Revelations," which seems to be much more religiously motivated and
not influenced by a literary work (not that the Bible isn't a literary work -
from an agnostic viewpoint, I consider it a literary work, but maybe you get
the idea I'm trying to present. Not being Christian I really don't know how
the Bible is applied except perhaps as a "handbook to life" of sorts (teaching
by example?). I'm going to be studying the Bible later this semester in my
Contemporary Civilizations class so I'll eventually find out a bit more about
it.)) Anyway, it seems that Maiden didn't start using religious themes until 
Bruce Dickinson joined. Anyone else notice that? The two closest ones, 
"Prodigal Son," and "Purgatory," don't seem to have anything to do with
Christianity. The former is a prayer to some demoness (I looked up "Lamia,"
and it seems to be a goddess / daemoness with a body of a woman and lower
abdomen and below like a serpent. Can't remember if she had wings, but there
were other dragon-like qualities in her, like thaumaturgical capabilities,
high intelligence, etc. I guess it's loosely based on some myth somewhere),
and the latter is I guess Maiden's equivalence of a mushy song in the spirit 
of "Twilight Zone." Wow. I didn't realise I just made that pun until now.
Maiden has great mushy songs. Always happy, never whiny and about getting
dumped by anyone, just the more memorable and better parts of trying to get a
girl. "Burning Ambition" must be among the best of that sort of song, because
it involves some other motivation aside from getting the girl in bed. How did
I get here from the subject line? I should stop before I digress too far.

philip
PHILIP WANG pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu 
"On the other side jesters keep their watch, fifteen million lives ready to be
lost. We come from the northern headlands, the warriors of ice come to cleanse
the world, destroy the human sacrifice." - HOLOCAUST, "The Nightcomers"
From: pete@introl.com (Pete Ikusz)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: Queensryche blegs
Date: 6 Oct 1992 18:17:07 -0500
Organization: Introl Corp.
NNTP-Posting-Host: introl.introl.com
Keywords: The Nobility Of Toxic Pharmaceuticals

In article <1992Oct6.132008.18066@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:
>In interviews, Chris De Garmo said that some of the early home videos of the
>band and their live recordings like QUEEN OF THE REICH were actually bootlegs
>that Sony and EMI bought and released. He didn't name QUEEN OF THE REICH
>specifically, but I happened to see that album around and I've never heard 
>that to be an official album. It's got live versions of the stuff off the
>EP and I have a feeling that this was taken from The Warning tour in Japan.

Yep it was the Japan tour. I have an original copy of the Sony tape
on Beta stereo hi-fi. Excellent tape!
-Pete
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From: mds5142@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Shepherd)
Subject: Re: Dream Theater
Originator: mds5142@ultb
Keywords: New album?
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:24:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.170637.21026@news2.cis.umn.edu> donnell@barnacle.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous) writes:
>In article <djd.717775294@reading> djd@csg.cs.reading.ac.uk (David J Dawkins) writes:
>>
>>    Come to that, could anyone post an albumography, please?
>>
>>    Ta!
>>
>>-dave
>
>That's pretty easy, they only have two.

Images and Words	1992	Atlantic 7 92148-2	DDD
	Pull Me Under (8:11)
	Another Day (4:22)
	Take The Time (8:21)
	Surrounded (5:28)
	Metropolis - Part I  "The Miracle and the Sleeper" (9:30)
	Under A Glass Moon (7:02)
	Wait For Sleep (2:31)
	Learning To Live (11:30)

When Dream And Day Unite	1989	MCAD-42259	ADD
	A Fortune In Lies (5:10)
	Status Seeker (4:15)
	The Ytse Jam (5:43)
	The Killing Hand (8:40)
	Light Fuse And Get Away (7:23)
	Afterlife (5:27)
	The Ones Who Help Set The Sun (8:04)
	Only A Matter Of Time (6:35)

Members:
	James LaBrie - Vocals on I&W
	Charlie Dominici - Vocals on WD&DU
	Kevin Moore - Keyboards
	John Myung - Bass
	John Petrucci - Guitars
	Mike Portnoy - Drums and Percussion

BTW, if you want to join the fan club and get all kinds of free stuff,
tour dates, and newsletters, send $20 (+ $3.50 US, $5 Canada) to
The Dream Team, P.O. Box 230156, Hartford, CT 06123-0156.
Send your name, address and shirt size.

Dream On!

Mike
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From: kupper@tigger.cs.unc.edu (Mark Kupper)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Dream Theater's first release..
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:09:09 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill


  Does anyone know if this is going to go back into print or not?? I never
got the CD and would really like to get a copy. Thanks for any info!
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From: donnell@polyp.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Christian Metal ???
Organization: none
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:25:10 GMT

I agree that Christian bands and Satanic bands are equally boring when they
preach. Any Satan band that wants to convert me, gets tossed along with my
Stryper albums.
But I don't see anything wrong with bands being positive. Trouble is a    
christian band, <they don't preach!> yet all they really are is positive.
And remember that the Psalms were arranged to be sung by monks in religious
orders. The end result was dark and gloomy, even though the message was
positive. Same with Trouble. 

any form of music which restricts itself to subject matter/emotional content
is going to get awful boring real fast. Metal has grown to where it is
capagble of expressing what ever is needed.  this is good.

Try Trouble or Tourniquet for a positive Christian band that doesn't
prosyletise <whatever> or only yell at you to Love God. 
Nothing wrong with a positive message for a change. And don't think I am
a christian because of this message. I am a religious non-euclidian....

					--Judex--
From: Thomas.Sullivan@cs.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Re: T-Ride
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:05:21 GMT
	<1992Sep30.033920.3130@nmsu.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I saw them here in Pittsburgh a few weeks ago and was not impressed.
I had read a good review of them on one of these bboards, so my interest
was piqued, but when I saw 'em I thought they were a pretty run of the
mill hard-rock/metal band.  Granted, the sound wasn't great, but I wasn't
even taken by their musicianship.  Queen pushed up 20 years?  Nah, that
would be an insult to Queen, who were much more creative (in my 
opinion) than what I saw T-Ride demonstrate.  Maybe I need to listen to
the T-Ride album before I pass judgement......

Just reporting what I saw.  I viewed the show objectively as well, I
didn't
really have a reason to like or dislike them before hand, so I consider 
myself as being unbiased going in.

--Tom
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From: paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
Subject: Re: Dream Theater
Reply-To: paull@plasma.co.uk
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 08:20:53 GMT

YES but are they playing Britain.......There must be zillions of people waiting
to see such an ace band.

It's interesting to note that the vocalist has changed between albums. I would
never of guessed that listening to the two, although they are slightly different,
you could imageing they are the same guy.

By the way what are they like live?

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			Meiko Scientific Ltd.

			Email: paull@meiko.com

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From: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu (Todd Tannenbaum)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: a low down list: top five metal bass players
Date: 26 Sep 92 19:19:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

I have lots other players that I like better, but as
far as metal bass players, the player for 24-7 Spyz
comes up with a lot of great riffs.  

Just my 2-cents.

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From: donnell@sponge.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Saint Vitus
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:16:48 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1992Sep30.214209.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>Since somebody brought them up, I've been wondering what St. Vitus sounds
>like. I don't have the money to splurge on any band that piques my curiousity,
>but they looked interesting.
>
>--Semhaza

This may sound a little hard but I do like these guys.

Imagine Black Sabbath as a bunch of Born Again acidhead Bikers, without a
whole lot of talent. St. Vitus in a nutshell.
That said, let me add that they are perfect for certain moods, and they
have improved a LOT since their first mini-LP. Originally, they were
on Black Flag's SST label, but they may have changed. They were/are
good friends with the guys in Black Flag, and several members, I
think, have appeared on some of the SST "jam" albums. <Guys from different
SST bands get together, jam, and do an album. October Faction and the like>
They are pretty low budget, but they are kinda cool. I like
the stuff with Wino on vocals better than the original singer, but
he had agood voice, too. Had to, since they could'nt afford a lot of
vocal processing. I have to hear the new one.
Anyone with information on the current activities of Scott "Wino" Weinrich,
please get in touch with me. His guitar playing with Vitus was a bit
sedate, but he really kicks on the Obsessed stuff I have. Wino also
has a distinctive, somewhat "Ozzy-esque" voice that I appreciate.
Try to hear them before you buy, though.

					--Judex--
From: yt22+@andrew.cmu.edu (Youssef D. Tuma)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Real Guitarists
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:56:42 GMT
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


         I know that Marty Friedman and Jason Becker are good friends. 
I heard both Perpetual Burn by Becker (Friedman also plays in it) and
Dragon's Kiss by Friedman.   Now, Friedman is playing for Megadeath. 
What is Jason Becker doing?  I heard he has some sort of disease that is
slowly paralyzing him.  That is a shame.


               Secondly, on the question of pussy bands, I have one
thing to say.  If a band plays tunes that either a) Want to be a hit
(Top Ten), b)Want a teenage girl following,  or c)Must counter fast
songs with a slow one on a record (especially love songs)...in my
mind...they are a pussy band.


                        THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME!

                                             SEF