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From: c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Request for folkgames
Date: 17 Nov 1992 08:07:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: po.berkeley.edu
Summary: Flame-free ( hopefully ) request for folklore

I'm presently taking a course in Folklore here in Berkeley. As part
of the term project, I'm supposed to collect 40 items of folklore. One
area I'm concentrating on are folkgames, stuff like Belun-acha, Green
Spot, Four/Five stones, Chatek etc. I would be interested in hearing
from anyone out there who remembers ( or even, still plays ) these games, and 
the rules that went with them. ( As this is folklore, there are no set of 
"correct" rules for a game; just whichever ones you used. If they worked, 
that was good enough.. )

If you'd be interested in helping me out, drop me a line. Any stuff collected
does not end up in the wastebasket, but will be archived here in the U's
folklore collection for prosperity. If there is sufficient interest, I'll
post some of the items here.

Chua
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ygoh@fraser.sfu.ca (Kelvin Goh)
Subject: Re: Malaysia news, Oct, 3, 1992. =>N-Power Plant.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:30:40 GMT

chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:


>In article <1992Nov11.051940.7329@leland.Stanford.EDU> azran@leland.Stanford.EDU (Azran Osman Rani) writes:

[Azran's article deleted to be brief]

>Building more power stations to solve the problem of 
>increasing energy demand is not the way to go.  Building 
>more power stations will result in the demand going up and
>up and up.  It is a vicious cycle.  The more there is the
>demand for electricity, the more power stations we tend to
>build.  The more power stations we have, the more we are
>encouraged to use electricity.  There will be a point 
>where we cannot build anymore power stations.  REDUCING
>the energy demand by making more efficient use of power is
>the way to go.  There are many electrical appliances that
>are not efficient.  Take for example the humble light 
>bulb.  It generates more heat than light!  If we switched
>to the new compact flurescent light bulbs, we would save
>80% in lighting power consumption!  Given the fact that 
>electricity in Malaysia is not normally used for heating,
>savings in lighting can be substancial.

	Using the flourescent lights are a good idea but the 
problem Malaysia faces is the shortage of electricity for industrial
uses. FEER reported that the Malaysian authorities "adviced" 
factories and processing plants to use electricity efficiently at peak
hours in the day. Almost sounds like "conserving" the use of it.
This reflects the shortage of power for machineries and processing.
	Therefore, in order not to hinder the progress of our economy,
we have to increase the the supply of electricity as demand increases.
I would opt for Hydro electricity. It is cheap, non-polluting and
there are lots of rivers in Malaysia that are capable of generating this
power. Problem is it requires the flooding of thousands of hectares of
forest. Nuclear power is too risky for the whole world.
	However, to further the comment on the use of th flourescent 
bulbs, these bulbs cost a LOT but they last longer. Therefore, in the
long run, users actually save money on electricity bills and replacement
of bulbs.
	The problem is to convince people to switch to these new
bulbs, that they are cheaper to use in the long run.
 

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>Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | The gunners: league
>Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | champs 1992-1993!
>Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | 
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>"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz
From: s923257@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Ming E Chew)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Happy Christmas And Merry New YEAR !!!!
Date: 19 Nov 92 03:13:20 GMT

Hello everyone,

Wishing you guys and gals a happy christmas and merry new year!!!!

Its never too early!!!

:)

ming
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: guiyu@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (The Big Color Wolf)
Subject: Re: Think Malaysian, not Malay, Chinese, Indian????????
Keywords: Malaysia for Malays, more likely
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:28:27 GMT

In article <97304@netnews.upenn.edu> nlatif@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Nor Azlisya Abdul Latif) writes:
>>
>>	25 years ago, Mr. Lee Kwan Yew proposed a slogan
>>
>>	"Malaysia for Malaysians"
>>			    ====
>
>Does the word "Malaysians" here mean Malays ONLY???  If thats so, are you 
>saying that LKY made Singapore for the Chinese??? Then what the hell are the 
>Singaporean Malays/Indians doing there??

Mr. Lee is very well versed and he has chosen his slogan with great detail.
Obviously, at THAT TIME, he was proposing 

	Malaysia for Malaysians(citizens of Malaysia, be it Malays, Indians,etc)
			  =====

AND the government of that time OBVIOUSLY felt uneasy about his APPROACH and
thus ....

For your info., most of the people that would vote in those days were those 
people living in cities, and most of the city dwellers were Chinese(since they
were largely businessmen who works in cities), and thus Mr Lee MIGHT have won
the Election very easily if NOT FOR THE...

The above are just what I could recollect from the various discussions I heard
growing up in Singapore, if anyone has some reference regarding the History of
Singapore independence in this respect, please contribute. I believe that we
never grew up studying in details of this part of the History. All I learnt was
Singapore was named by a Sultan who saw a Lion when he first landed, ... and 
Sir Stanford Raffles founded Singapore. I don't know if the History Textbooks
have been improved since then...

							Sincerely yours,
							Julian CHANG
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From: c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: PEACE ??????
Date: 20 Nov 1992 06:14:38 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: po.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov19.175305.6454@gw.wmich.edu> x92lim5@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>    After viewing comments from various posting, I feel dissapointed
>that the NET is used as a battlefield for racial fire. I belive that the NET
>should be used for beneficial purposes such as promoting friendship, news
>and in this case, racial intergration and understanding.
>    
[ stuff deleted... ]
>    I sincerely hope that we will use the NET for friendship, not hate
>peace, not war, unity, not diversity. I am open for comments and 
>CONSTRUCTIVE critism.
>
>Peace and love to all who read this posting.
>
>Stanley Lim
>

Sorry to be cynical, but it just isn't going to happen. We see posts
asking for peace/less flames about once for every ten posts, but nothing
ever changes here. There just seem to be too much hate and bad blood
flowing around. 

Anyway, just one request to hopefully help put down some flames:-
IF you want to criticise someone's english, please use EMAIL and try 
not to humiliate him/her in front of everyone. Kind of sad, right?


Chua
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Subject: Re: Deepavali (was Re: Happy Christmas And Merry New YEAR !!!!)
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:30:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.200222.319@bmers95.bnr.ca>, khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor) writes:
> In article <By12w6.153@andy.bgsu.edu>, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) writes:
> |>      Well, as an Indian I never heard this story before. I know in the past
> |> it usually rained the day before Deepavali but not anymore. I don't think it
> |> rained this year tho. I could be wrong. For this year Deepavali felt on 
> |> Oct. 24th. 
> 
> No rain this year?  Oh geez, what a disappointment.  And you mean it's
> over already?  Too late to go mooching for those nice coconut tarts
> then.  BTW, what were they called?
> 
   Geez, I'm not sure what you mean by coconut tarts. Maybe it's called 
  coconut candy or something? I don't know. My mom used to make one with
  coconut and cut it into small pieces and they look red usually. Is that what
  you talking about? 
 
> |>      According to Hinduism, Lord Krishna killed the evil god on this day.
> |> Evil god was creating troubles to the human being for several years until one
> |> day all the humans cried to Lord Krishna for help. That's when Lord Krishna
> |> enggaged in battle with him and won. So, people were living in the darkness
> |> afraid of this evil. After he been killed, the darkness has gone and people 
> |> could go out and be happy.  That's why Deepavali is also referred as a 
> |> festival of lights. We put ligts outside to celebrate the victory with the
> |> hope the rest of our life will be filled with brightness.
> |>      That's all I can say about Deepavali without going to deep into 
> |> the religous thing.
> |> 
> If my memory did not fail me, the rain was suppose to symbolize the
> great battle.  I remember going camping against my Indian friend's
> advise.  And got real miserable huddling in the tent.
> 
> ...Kyle
> 
  You right! I missed that part. The rain does symbolize the battle.
Also, the rain symbolize the battles on all the other Hindu epics too. But,
I hate when it rains the day before Deepavali. Can't shoot fire works. Sucks!!

Geeva.
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Some gossip.... :)
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:29:54 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Hiya people...
	Seems that the latest batch of TOEFL TWE papers were marked over the
weekend, and according to my teech, the best papers came from India and
Singapore.  She also mentioned that someone in China taught the candidates a
"formula" and as a result, it was extremely boring marking papers from China.
	The topic was something like "your favourite transportation at home" or
something like that, and one Malaysian hero wrote about the poor man's
Mercedez, the bullock... :) :) and how it's environment friendly, and does a
fill up automatically, etc etc... :) :)  The hero got a 6.0
	Oh yeah, according to my teech, a 6.0 is "very good" and "..wish I
could write like that".  Coming from a PhD...!  So, all of you who got 6.0, pat
yourselves on your back... :) :) :)  Now now, that's enough already... :) :)
	Ciao.

Tai "soothing balm for the burns.. :) :)"
From: yu@plains.NoDak.edu (Albert Yu             )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Lexus in Singapore
Summary: Price of the Toyota Lexus...
Date: 23 Nov 92 22:42:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.By6xq4.Dv5
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Hiya Singapore pals,

Did you know that Singapore has finally launched the Toyota Lexus.

The car is said to be "For Perfectionists, By Perfectionists". But...
guess what!? Each car cost S$279K or equivalent to the price of a HDB 5-room
executive flat. Errr... that still excludes the "Bid price" and the "Road
tax", etc... So if you can afford a Lexus, you are "Perfect".

So, aim perfect, and you'll be perfect.

Al...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: E-Mail adds. for universites in Malaysia.
From: thtee@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:48:19 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

Hi thre;

Here are some addresses for universities and colleges in malaysia.
I got this add from person who incharge Rangkom in Malaysia.
So,I believe these are the correct addresses.

Organisation                     Major Host        Department/Location
============                     ==========        ===================
University of Malaya (UM)        umvax.um.my       Engineering Faculty
                                 ccvax.cc.um.my    Computer Center
University of Science (USM)      cs.usm.my         Computer Science Dept, Penang
                                 kcp.usm.my        Engineering Faculty, Perak
                                 kb.usm.my         Medical School, Kelantan
University of Technology (UTM)   elek.utm.my       Engineering Faculty, KL
                                 utmjb.BITNET      Campus in Johore Bahru
Universiti Utara Malaysia (UUM)  utara.uum.my      Computer Center
National University (UKM)        eng.ukm.my        Electronics Engineering Dept
                                 fsmk.ukm.my       Computer Science Dept.
MARA Institute of Technology
        (ITM)                    cs.itm.my         Computer Science Dept
                                 engr.itm.my       Engineering Dept
University of Agriculture (UPM)  ece.upm.my        Computer & Comm Dept
M'sian Inst of Microelectronic
        Systems (MIMOS)          rangkom.my
ASEAN Inst of Forest
	Management               goya.aifm.my
Standard Industrial Research
        Institute of Malaysia
        (SIRIM)                  sirim.my


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: jhardono@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jumahadi is my first name)
Subject: Malaysia, Main China and India
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:08:19 GMT

Netters,
	I would like to give you some facts about my research here.
        India and China are among the the asian countries have the
	largest number of muslim population. The number of population
	are bigger than Malay Muslims in Malaysia. 
	According to world history, these countries accept Islam
	earlier than Malaysia and Indonesia.
	Based on my interviews with some student from Main China
        many of their friends even in their villages, almost 50 %
	are muslims.
	A magazine named ARAMCO has made their own special edition
	in 1985 through journey of 3 journalists to China. They
	found that muslims element in China is so strong. Sign boards
	are written with "Jawi" writing in some places. Even these
	journalists found a mosque built by Cheng Ho long time ago.
	Hui, one of tribes in China, has majority muslims. This
	let many Chinese call Hui people Muslims as some people
	in Malaysia do to malays.

	It is amazing.         
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Foreign maids in Singapore
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 02:05:53 GMT

Every once in a while I read in the STOE how
foreign maids are treated by their employers.
Ofcourse there is also story on how some foreign
maids abuse the children under their care.
The latest episode however was how they were
prevented from congregating at the Lucky Plaza(?).
In this case, perhaps there are obstructing
the shoppers? On the otherhand aren't these
people shoppers too? I hope by this time
the problem has been resolved and they are 
no longer prevented from congregating there.

I hope, being more affluent and lucky people,
we should treat them  better. After all they 
are also human.  They being your maid actually 
have contributed to your well being. Perhaps the 
very fact that this story is carried in the ST
is a sign of compassion and interest in their 
plight.


-Mann
From: heerdege@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Juergen Heerdegen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: who's right & who's wrong arguments [was Re: racial harmony- Yasmin]
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:23:30 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I won't bother to argue with you.  You have nothing new to say and I have no
desire to hear you mouth off.  Thank you and good bye.

Have a nice day,
Juergen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Basu Mukherjee)
Subject: an appeal to help poor children in india
Organization: Dakota State University, Madison, SD
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:38:38 GMT

==============================================================================
		An Appeal To Help Poor Students In India
   Contribute to RAMAKRISHNA MISSION BOYS' HOME, RAHARA, WB, INDIA

Swami Vivekananda once said,'Service to man is service to god'. Following
his footprints, Ramakrishna Mission organizations, established by Swamiji
himself, have been serving the poor and the distressed for about a century. 
Millions of people, including this author have directly or indirectly
benifited from the social-welfare and educational programs of Ramakrishna
Mission. Today, after a century old tradition of service, this organization
faces a daunting challenge in the face of a steep economic crisis. 

Ramakrishana Mission, Rahara is an organization that was established about
thirty five years ago at Rahara, a small village near Calcutta, West Bengal.
What started with  twenty eight orphan students under the auspicious
leadership of Swami Punyananda has , over the years, has grown into an
organization of over a thousand students offering educational services at
all levels. Ramakrishna Mission, Rahara has also a rich tradition of providing
free education to thousands of orphan students over these years and help
them become useful members of the society. Right now, there are 750 orphan
students at Rahara whose future is at stake due to a steep budget crisis and
lack of adequate governmental help.

According to Swami Jayananda, secretary, R.K. Mission, Rahara, it takes only 
14 dollars/month to support an orphan student at school in Rahara. 

We are trying to coordinate an effort to help these poor students by 
contributing to Ramakrishana Mission . 

If you are interested, please send e-mail to
	
	mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu
		or
	ritwik@parrot.creighton.edu.

You may also directly contact

		Swami Jayananda, secretary
		Ramakrishana Mission Boys' Home
		Rahara, 24 Paraganas(N)
		West Bengal - 743186 
		India  
		Telephone - 91-33-531219

Your interested may pave the way for an orphan child to a brighter future.
From: msilva@mercenary.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Mario J. Silva)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: E. Timor & Indonesia
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:25:01
Organization: UC Berkeley
	<1992Nov19.204025.12907@doug.cae.wisc.edu> <m6z1y8+@rpi.edu>
	<By1sKH.Kzv@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
NNTP-Posting-Host: mercenary.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca's message of Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:02:40 GMT


In article <By1sKH.Kzv@ccu.umanitoba.ca> rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) writes:

   You miss one thing:

   November 30, 1975
   Four parties, except FRETILIN, issue their proclamation of independence
   and simultaneous integration with the Republic of Indonesia.
   Are you saying these four parties are not East Timorese ?

   -- budi
   -- 
   Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
   Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba


Sorry, but that fact alone gives a very distorted view of the
situation in East Timor. Here are a few more undeniable facts:

That decision has never been referended.

Because FRETILIN controlled virtually the country before the invasion,
it is more likely that they were more representative. However, an
election that was scheduled just before the invasion never took place.

November 28, 1975 FRETILIN declares unilatereal independence of East
Timor.  The objective of the declaration, was to try to stop the
Indonesian incursions into the territory.

A few weeks after the invasion, the UN passed a resolution calling for
immediate withdrawl of Indonesia, which hasn't been yet respected.

1/3 of the population, 200,000, have been killed since then by the
Indonesian Army, in what is generally considered one of the worst
massacres of the 20th century.

The killing since then never stopped. On Nov 12, 1991 at least 100
people were killed in a peaceful demonstration in the presence of
American journalists. Many more were wounded and many bodies are still
unaccounted. A videotape shows the Indonesian Army shooting women in
the back while running to the church to get refugee.

The general in charge was "punished" with a leave to take an MBA at a
Boston University. 

Mario.  

PS: there are other sources of information besides the Indonesian
consulates. Read the independent International Press. News do not come
very often about Timor (or Indonesia), but when they come they all
consistently agree with some facts that some Indonesians prefer to
deny, but are in fact a shame to all humanity.
From: x92lim5@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: thanksgiving
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:24:10 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Happy Thanksgiving to all users.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: lyeh@alleg.edu (Hun Lye)
Subject: Stop counting other peoples' cows!
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:36:41 GMT

Oi people (I mean fellow Malaysians)!

Why is it that when we are discussing our problems we have to refer to our  
neighbors?  Example:  "Chinese in Malaysia are being discriminated?  What  
about Malays in Singapore?"  "Malays should have their special rights?   
Well, the Chinese don't have any special rights in Singapore."

Try to get to the root of the problems and refrain from going off  
somewhere else and start comparing.  I have no problems with comparing to  
a certain extent.  But when the comparison takes us to somewhere foreign  
from our original argument, it's time to come back.  For goodness sake, we  
are talking about MALAYSIA!!!  Some of the postings here seem like it's a  
Malaysia against its neighbors' war - although most of this kind of  
postings are sent by Malaysians.  We can't even seem to agree what are the  
problems we have in Malaysia and we want to go finding fault with our  
neighbors.  Is this the same old trick - "if you wanna look thin, stand  
next to a fat person"?

Discrimination is discrimination - wherever it is happening.  Just because  
someone else is doing it does not mean we can be excused for doing it.

Hey...stop counting our neighbors' cows - COME HOME!!!




H. LYE
(Standard Disclaimier)


"Why do we drive on a parkway and park on a driveway?"  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: azran@leland.Stanford.EDU (Azran Osman Rani)
Subject: Re: "Lovey" and Funny Pantun
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:19:16 GMT



Mawar merah membisik asmara
Merayu memanggil nama cinta
Ku nukilkan rasa di dada
Menaruh harapan menunggu tanda

Tanda kasih dikekalkan abadi
Bak terbit mentari menyapa pagi
Hanya padamu kuserahkan hati
Kalam janji dari sanubari



-azran