From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: Secretly Wishing... (was: Feminist Jokes)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:42:05 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.130552.16091@panix.com> gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes:
>payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
>| [ about feminist light-bulb jokes ]
>| >> None of it has been funny. But I would like to point out another
>| >> anti-symmetry in these feminist arguments. (did i invent a new word?)
>| >> In another thread, it was pointed out that women who are self confident
>| >> could care less what the models look like, while those who are insecure
>| >> may well feel threatened. This was taken as an attack the victim post
>| >> by at least one person, and I suspect more to follow. In another thread
>| >> it was directly asserted that any male who feels threatened by feminism
>| >> is obviously not getting enough sex, because it could only be the result
>| >> of sexual frustration. None of the other feminists commented on this.
>| [ Devjani asks who/what ]
>| Well, Gorden Fitch has owned up to posting it, I had forgotted who. 
>| If you want to call his posts flame bait, fine with me. 
>
>Just for the sake of accuracy: I did not, to my recollection,
>post anything that said that "any male who feels threatened
>by feminism is obviously not getting enough sex...."  so I
>could not own up to such a statement.  Like Devjani, I don't
>know where you're getting this from; it's probably either
>somebody else, or you're misreading something I said.  If 
>you still have the text available, please send it to me by
>email or post it.  
>-- 
>
> )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
>( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )

Apologies, I got you confused with David Auer, which is odd.

I am reposting his reply. I finally found it with a keyword search of the
word "said". Curiously, there were 159 posts with this word, more than any
other keyword search that I have done. And after looking through 6,000
out of 11,000 lines to find the post I wanted, I saw less duplication.

Re-post to follow.


Rich

payner@netcom.com


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|From: auer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David S. Auer)
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|Subject: Re: Secretly Wishing... (was: Feminist Jokes)
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|In article <1992Nov10.003315.23302@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
|[...]
|>None of it has been funny. But I would like to point out another
|>anti-symmetry in these feminist arguments. (did i invent a new word?)
|
|Undoubtably.
|
|>In another thread, it was pointed out that women who are self confident
|>could care less what the models look like, while those who are insecure
|>may well feel threatened. This was taken as an attack the victim post
|>by at least one person, and I suspect more to follow.
|
|How prophetic!
|
|>                                                      In another thread
|>it was directly asserted that any male who feels threatened by feminism
|>is obviously not getting enough sex, because it could only be the result
|>of sexual frustration. None of the other feminists commented on this.
|
|As author of said attack, I must protest that you were overgeneralizing my
|attack to all males.  It was an indirect assertion at best and was
|related to your argument that there was a scarcity of available women.
|This context has gotten lost in the above synopsis.
|
|[More contrasts between male and female victims...]
|
|With this I agree.  Men and women who are victimized should be equally
|defended.  I came to your defense at least when I apologized for that attack,
|publically, I might add.
|
|-dave
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