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From: mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hmmm. . .)
Subject: Power and responsibility (was RE: Marvel Bashing)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:10:58 GMT

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:

>Okay, this is a tangential thread, so if you followup to it you might want to 
>change the sunject name.
>     I agree with the point that New Warriors is a "shining ray of hope", not 
>just because it is "titans without angst," but also because the members seem to
>show a certain amount of, dare I say it, *responsibility*!  When Vance kills 
>his father, he *doesn't* try to beat the rap, he doesn't flee the police, he 
>doesn't even go with his pals when they try to break him out! 

I liked this too. It was also nice to see the faceless armored
policemen as regular people doing a job, and one they didn't particularly
like.

>When confronted 
>with his doppleganger in one of the better written IWar crossovers, Rage 
>doesn't try to destroy it, he accepts it as a part of himself that he has to 
>live with! 

Really?  This sounds great!  Maybe I'll forsake my half-hearted ban on the
silly IW crossovers and pick this one up :

>When Nita fails to get a conviction on Swimming Bear because she 
>arrested him improperly, she doesn't attack him in the courtroom, she tries to 
>catch him the right way, even if she has to compromise her priniciples to fix 
>the mistake she made in the first place (okay, so her motive isn't that pure, 
>but at least she doesn't follow the guy out of the courthouse, grab him and 
>drop him from 5 miles over the ocean like some hardball types would).

Right, it's fun to see Dirty Harry for a while, but it does get tiring 
when it's done too much.  (I used to like Wolverine back in the '70s, when
the notion of a half crazed killer/hero was a refreshing change from the
heros who always seemed far too nice for the line of work)

>It's not
>all noble, of course, but the fact that this team tries to live up to that 
>hackneyed old phrase "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" and not the 
>hackneyed new phrase "The Only Way To Beat A Bad Guy Is To Become Worse."

-Vincent
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From: dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Yiu Ming KO)
Subject: Armageddon 2001 ---> GL.
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:33:25 GMT


This might be a year overdue, but I didn't know about rac(m) then...

I just got out my ARMAGEDDON 2001 collection and picked up 
"Superman in Action Comics" Annual 1991. And on page 49,
I noticed something funny....Hal's got 2 rings!!!

Just my usual bullshit :)

May thy fortunes go with thee.

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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LOSH - Thrust
Keywords: Timber Wolf Mini Series
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:21:38 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <mumble> hoahosth@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (ANDREA HOSTH) writes:

>So, any ideas on who this Joker's father is supposed to be? Personally, I'd 
>bet on Lobo. Same black marking around (one) eye. Same swear words and 
>general attitude. Speaks Interlac. Any takers?

I believe that it has been said somewhere by whoever's responsible for
the upcoming Timber Wolf mini-series that Lobo is the punk's father,
so pretty good guess.  (I didn't bother trying to guess who his father
is since both TW previews have not impressed me in the least.)



-- 
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From: danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH: New version number wanted
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:20:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Aug21.182426.27400@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:
>ever invalidating what had gone before.  Ditto for Moore's MIRACLEMAN:  allowing
>for the slight differences for copyright reasons, he took the character of
>Captain Marvel and (a) radically rearranged his origin, (b) explained where
>he'd been since the fifties, and (c) made him a much more serious sort of a
>charcter all without (d) invalidating any of the previous stories (except, of
>course, in the peculiar sense that they'd all been a dream.  Or had they?).

Really? I didn't know that MiracleMan was based on Cap. Color me ignorant.
Being a big fan of the Big Red Cheese, I'd appreaciate it if someone
would email to me a list of what stuff MM has appeared in and a brief 
summary of the retconning. I'm assuming the light-hearted approach of 
Cap is abandoned. What's the best thing to start with? 

Thanx

-- 
:     Daniel Frank    danfrank@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu           :
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:violent episodes, is the question of all existentialist men:
:demanding meaning from a void, "Hmmm, a wise guy, huh?" The:
:only response - from the void that is Curly - is the tragic:
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From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH #34, cont.
Date: 23 Aug 92 21:23:27 GMT
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


 >9. It's only been about ten issues for Luornu (the one with the
 >enormous eyes?) since she lost her third body, so no wonder she's
 >not handling it very well.  We heard some time back that her
 >cloned body *can* triplicate.  How does this tie in with the implication,
 >from the annual, that each body has its own personality?  Has she
 >failed to notice that she has her third personality back, or does
 >she have two remaining personalities that'll share three bodies, or
 >is the combined personality typically a *fourth* independent personality?
 >
 >Dani Zweig
 >dani@netcom.com

or is her entire character so poorly and inconsistently handled and portrayed
that there is little reason for the reader to try to understand her?

ok
dpm
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From: mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar)
Subject: Re: Elseworld books(DC)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:53:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.010031.28791@nmsu.edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:
>What Elseworld books are out there and how good are they?
>
>Ones I know about:
>
>Gothem by Gaslight-Batman vs Jack the Ripper, good story
>?-Batman vs a 'Master of the World by H.G.Wells type', felt too much like the
>1930's film 'Master of the World' with Batman instead of Flash Gordon could
>have been much better.
>Holy Terror-Batman vs The Church, never saw this one
>Red Rain-Batman and Dracula, also missed this one but reviews here were not
>favorable
Those are the only Elseworlds books out so far.  I thought both
Holy Terror and Red Rain were better than Gotham by Gaslight and
the Master of the World sequel.  I actually liked Red Rain the best.
Probably because I'm a fan of Kelley Jones' art.
>
>Also any ideas on other Elseworld books coming out, heard about a 4 parter
>involving Superman anything on a proposed releice date on this?
>
>Comments are welcomee

Has anyone read the recent Batman graphic novel about  Comissionar(sp?)
Gordon?  It is any good?

Mike McKellar (mgq@inel.gov)
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From: Montague_Kevin@Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Re: Valiant sucks
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:29:03 GMT

In article <BtnpK5.6F5@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly) writes:
> 
> Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev) writes:
> 
> >2) Fans of the Titans will buy one of each #1, because they like the Titans
> >   and/or are completists.
> 
> >wins?  Those who buy because they either like the series, or took a look at
> >the books and decided to try them.  As has been stated, pagecount analysis
> >shows that you get the same bang for your buck as if they'd released them
> >a month at a time, instead of all at once.  The "bonus" story is just that,
> >and the fact that it's Maguire art can only help.  
> 
> I disagree. You may have an infinite amount of money to spend, but I feel
> the pinch when they ask me to cough up 5 times the cost of a #1 issue.
> I much prefer it spread over 5 months. 
> 
> Axly

Think about it.  You're pissed, in effect, because you're a fan of the Titans
and DC put out more stuff at one time than you could afford.  Does this make
sense?
If it does, then we must agree to disagree.

An aside: I think you should turn your ire towards the speculators. . .they're
the ones that make it impossible for you to get that same #1 the next month, 
or the month after, or whenever, at a reasonably-close-to-original price.  
Since they know people like you want them all, and either can't/won't get them
at the outset, they buy them up and drive the price up for you in the future.

Kevvy Kev
"Thatthatisisthatthatisnotisnotthatthatisnotisnotthatthatis"
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From: cornwall@bach.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall)
Subject: Re: Spawn (Oh Boy I Am In For It...)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:44:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.023927.24969@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) writes:
>In article <Btytvp.JIo@news.udel.edu> cornwall@bach.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall) writes:
>>...but I actually...LIKE...Spawn.
>
>>Besides, did anyone else note the Cerebus appearance? Yup. On the
>>inside back cover of Spawn # 3, McFarlane gave Sim a free ad space 
>>(check the Note From The President in Cerebus #161 for details). 
>>It's a nice touch. I mean, sure, McFarlane isn't self-publishing, but
>>he is recognizing the importance of those who do. Can't wait
>>to see CereSpawn!
>
>You mean the SpawnRoach, of course >:)
>
No, I MEAN CereSpawn. In the Notes From The President in Cerebus #161,
Sim drew Cerebus in a Spawn costume, including cape. Apparently, the
Image guys are going to color it, and publish it in a future issue.

I still think that Sim's reaction to the "Image explosion" is
interesting. He's being very cooperative to them, even though he did
come out in an earlier Aardvark Comment and denied that they were
really shaking up Marvel. Gosh, the war against the Marvel Corporate
Complex makes some strange bedfellows...
Ray Cornwall
U of Delaware
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Thursday, 3 Sep 1992 11:05:28 EDT
From: Society for Creative Solipsism <IK20001@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: LSH: The Wanderers

Could someone *please* tell me the final fate of the Wanderers?  I
stopped buying the series (because, IMHO, it stunk), but now I'd
like to know where they (espec. Quantum Queen) left off.  If this is
a FAQ-type question (I haven't read RAC.* in years), please e-mail
me.

Thank you, and good night.
--
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"It's all in your mind"                   But *Microscopes* are prudent
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From: mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Team Titans #1's (Was: Re: Valiant sucks)
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:52:44 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

If I recall some postings a ways back they had debated whether to include the
origins as in different #1's or as you proposed in the first 5 issues of the
book.  But they decided that since 
	a) the characters were somewhat unfamiliar to people
	b) since the origin stories crossed-over into each other so much
	
that it would be better to put them all out at once.. I must say I agree
with this practise since Titans has always had a lateness problem for the
last several years (being lucky if it put out 10 issues a year due to delays)
, and because I wanted to know who these characters are before we use em 
heavily.  I would not have wanted to wait 5 months or more to see these 
various issues, besides the fact that chars introduced in the origins keep
popping up in the current run.  What Marvel did was really lame...they just
changewd covers for collectors...DC actually had different stories in every
issue of FULL LENGTH and you fault them because instead of putting out titans
late...they put out all 5 at the same time.

-- 
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From: Montague_Kevin @Tandem.com (Kevvy Kev)
Subject: Re: Valiant sucks
Organization: In Effect Enterprises
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:40:08 GMT

In article <BtM6qA.2u0@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, dv52151@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Axly) writes:
> 
> dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James P. Dusek) writes:
> 
> 
> >>Yeah, I hear you. The five issue #1 of Team Titans is the last straw for me.
> >>I've quit reading all DC titles, because I think this is the lowest, cheesiest 
> >	What hogwash. Marvel has totally pulled these stunts off to the
> >maxinum, but you didn't drop them? Why drop all DC if the Team/Titans
> >annoyed you?
> 
> They did five covers to the same comic. That means those of us who just like
> the stories and art don't have to buy all five covers, 'cause we don't give
> a flying **** about collecting comics for resale. With five different comics
> to buy to get the whole story, DC has actually managed to go one up on the
> Masters of Cheesy Advertising and Marketing Schemes aka Marvel Comics.
> 
> Axly

Open disclaimer, before I even start:  The folks at the big 2 (At least the
ones making such decisions) are concerned only with the bottom line.  This
much is clear: they want to make as much money as possible.
That said, I think the marketing gimmicks that companies have been using
recently have annoyed enough people that the companies are trying to make
money/attract speculators with them; but not piss off purists.  I think they've
succeeded with the Titans book:

1) Speculators will buy multiple copies of each #1, simply because it's a 
   new "hot" #1 book.  
2) Fans of the Titans will buy one of each #1, because they like the Titans
   and/or are completists.
3) Curious people will take a look at the various incarnations, and choose
   the ones they like (I picked up a couple. . .the ones where the art 
   interested me.  Maguire and somebody else's, Ida remember.)

Who loses in this scenario?  The speculators. . .those only in it to make a
quick buck off the flavor of the month.  I feel bad for them. . .Not.  Who 
wins?  Those who buy because they either like the series, or took a look at
the books and decided to try them.  As has been stated, pagecount analysis
shows that you get the same bang for your buck as if they'd released them
a month at a time, instead of all at once.  The "bonus" story is just that,
and the fact that it's Maguire art can only help.  
I dunno.  I think people are knee-jerking this one, without troubling to
think it through.  Seems that DC's done okay by Titans fans with this one.

Kevvy Kev
Proceeding confidently towards infinite pretension
From: joshm@crash.cts.com (Josh Mercer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Fanboys Take Over Elementals! ACK!
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:23:02 GMT
Distribution: na

Face it, the Elementals died with the departure of Bill Willingham from any
creative role.  I told as much to Andrew "No one in the industry says a
nice thing about me" Rev and he told me that everything that was happening
now post-Willingham was "all done in accordance to Bill's Elementals bible"
and that I should give it a chance.  He gave me a copy of #24 and asked me
to please read it.  
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics.marketplace
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:44:08 -0400 
From: Edward Liu <el24+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Comic Shops in Pittsburgh

Does anybody out in net.land know of any good comic shops in the
Pittsburgh (read: within walking or biking distance of Carnegie-Mellon
University) area?  Looking for mostly DC stuff (Hellblazer, Sandman,
Demon, Mosaic), Dark Horse (DHP, American), and Brother Man.

Thanks muchly!
Edward C. Liu				|  "Most of the things that 'Everybody Knows' are
Carnegie-Mellon University		|   wrong.  The rest are merely unreliable."
Information Networking Institute, '93	|		-- Neil Gaiman, _Black Orchid_
el24+@andrew.cmu.edu (E-L, not E-One)	|
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
Subject: Re: Comics as entertainment
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:50:11 GMT

In article <180hfhINNmvl@agate.berkeley.edu>, leo@remarque.berkeley.edu (Leo Pereira) writes:
> 
> Why the denigration of mind-candy?

What denigration?  I didn't say I don't like it.  I just said I'd like some
mind-good-food every once in a while.

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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: Sandspawn and Watchspawns
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 11:46:45 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: na

In article <lsmith.715462000@milli> lsmith@milli.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>Informed sources now say that this rumor is true. Alan Moore will write
>one issue of Spawn. ("But he compared Image comics to crack cocaine!" I cry.)
>
>Further, Neil Gaiman will also write one issue of Spawn.
>
>If I didn't know better I'd say this was a bad Squiddie joke.
>
>Anyone know if this is one of the signs of the apocalypse?   

No, that would be if McFarlane were writing one issue of Sandman.

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From: steyn@cs.rochester.edu (Gavin Steyn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Comics as entertainmet (was Re: Liefield Throws Tantrum)
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:55:34 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department University of Rochester

Just a followup to my last post.

  I'd go so far as to say that to the degree a work of art does not try
to entertain, and tries only to get across a message, it is not good art.
Usually when a writer focuses on the message, we end up with cardboard 
characters, simplistic plots, and some pretty ridiculous dialog to boot.
  (Examples abound, but everyone probably knows just as many as I do).

  Of course, art which strives to do NOTHING more than entertain is rarely
great either, although it does sometimes manage...

Gavin Steyn
steyn@cs.rochester.edu
"So he's had the lifelong ambition of reversing the polarity of the earth?"
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III)
Subject: Re: The Trouble with SANDMAN (was Re: Unrepentant Heresy About To Be...)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:09:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.111926.18861@cs.nott.ac.uk>, rji@nyquist.cs.nott.ac.uk (Rob Ingram) writes:
> 
> Hold on, Death is a goth, not a punk and definitely not a Madonna or
> Michelle Shocked wannabe.

You're exactly right, of course.

Then again, I could never be accused of being "hip" to anything.  :-)

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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Vampire Slayer)
Subject: Re: New Squiddies (r.a.c. Awards) administrator
Organization: Buffy Franchises Corp.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:53:14 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalo.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

	I would like to suggest that we seriously think about adding a Hall of
Fame category to the awards, to honor those people who have contributed the
most to the medium throughout its history.
	The need for such an honor, even if it's just from our little club,
was born out in the death of Joe Shuster just a few weeks ago.
-- 
"Of all the animals, the boy is the most unmanageable."--Plato                 
"Plato is a bore."--Nietzsche                                                  
"Nietzsche was stupid and abnormal."--Leo Tolstoy                              
"I'm not going to climb into the ring with Tolstoy"--Ernest Hemingway          
"Hemingway was a jerk."--Harold Robbins                                        
  
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Batman cartoon info
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 20:34:34 GMT

In article <mumble> lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:

>The following information comes from CBG #981, dated September 4th, 1992.

>Batman: The Animated Series

[stuff deleted, including an excellent looking cast list, except for]

>"Downtown" Julie Brown   Zatanna

Huh???  While I don't mind the inclusion of other non-Batman related
characters I really gotta wonder about this casting.  It's not because
"Downtown" Julie Brown ("wubba wubba wubba, its Club MTV") is black,
but her accent and manners of speech just does not fit my concept of
Zatanna in the slightest!

Even if its a typo and its the other Julie Brown it still doesn't fit!

Well, maybe she's a good voice actress....

[X-men stuff deleted, but looks interesting]

-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."