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From: dch2@engr.uark.edu (David Hobbs)
Subject: Re: Microsoft wins
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:22:44 GMT

mmtl@hobson.cc.flinders.edu.au (T.Lampre) writes:

>In article <6APR199200454278@venus.tamu.edu> tcf9033@venus.tamu.edu (FREY, TONY C) writes:
>
>A recent article in PC week (I think) remarked that many OEM's pay a
>royalty to Microsoft for every PC they sell to cover the inclusion of
>DOS. This royalty is payable even if they don't bundle DOS in. While
>there is nothing in their contracts to stop them including another OS
>it is difficult for suppliers to automatically include OS/2 as they
>have to pay double royalties. 

Ok, is it me or does paying royalties on software not included with a 
particular machine make absolutely no sense?  I mean, if I bought a new
car, should I pay a royalty to some tire manufacturer whose tires are not
on my car?

Did I miss something here?  You did say MicroSoft, right?  Not IBM, INTEL, 
AMD, Pheonix, AMI, AWARD, etc.?  Ok, maybe I'm confused...
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From: vandendo@qucis.queensu.ca (Christian Vandendorpe)
Subject: Re: OS2 My experience/minor problems
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:59:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.190615.1209@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>You have to follow the instructions that came with the Trident drivers
>VERY carefully.  One vital step is to issue the command SVGA ON from a
>FULL SCREEN DOS session within OS/2 2.0, BEFORE installing the new
>drivers.  Another is to use the appropriate revision chipset (8900C or
>9000) -- make sure your card has that level chipset.  And, finally,
>make sure you keep backup copies of all the relevant files.
>

This is very important indeed it took me 3 hours before I figured it out.
One thing to mention though is that even though the Trident drivers
mention 8900C, it also works on the 8900B which is the one I have.

Christian


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From: manne@Madrid.docs.uu.se (Magnus L|vkvist)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: GA problem solved
Keywords: GA bug Adaptec
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:50:49 GMT
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden

sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:

>In article <manne.703004493@bern.docs.uu.se> manne@Madrid.docs.uu.se (Magnus L|vkvist) writes:
>>I have finally been able to boot GA by removing BASEDEV=AHA174X.ADD from
>>config.sys.
>>The installation program correctly detected my Adaptec 1740 controller and
>>installed AHA174X.ADD but it gave me a nasty C0000005 error.
>>So now I suppose I'm running GA with "generic SCSI" support instead of
>>real 1740 support. 
>>Special thanks to Mikael Wahlgren for the suggestion to remove AHA174X.ADD!

>The README talks a bit about this.  If you have an Adaptec 174x
>adapter you must configure it for "enhanced mode" to use AHA174X.ADD.
>Did you have it in "standard mode," by any chance?
>-- 
>Timothy F. Sipples       Keeper of the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions
>sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
>Dept. of Economics       128.123.35.151, directory pub/os2/faq, or via
>Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.

I have it in enhanced mode. SCSI ID 1.

/Magnus
From: np4@prism.gatech.EDU (POMPONIO,NICHOLAS A)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: PC Week Summary: 4/6/92
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:43:51 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

What I found even more interesting was the "PC operating system market share
by establishment size" data. Five "Operating Systems" were considered: DOS,
Macintosh, Windows, OS/2, and Other. Data is given for three categories of
establishments : Large (500+ employees), Medium (100 - 499), and Small (<100).

Windows share ranged from 6% to 11%, while DOS ranged from 76% to 82%. At
the bottom of the graphic is a statement that these figures include software
that is bundled with hardware. 

It seems that there is a significant share (DOS users) that could be potential
OS/2 customers. Since Windows 3.0 has been out for a while, one could
speculate that these users are not interested in Windows, hence IBM might have
a better chance of attracting them with OS/2 than MicroSoft has with Windows
3.1. Another possibility, of course, is that these users feel that they
don't have the horsepower to run Windows on their systems, in which case they
certainly wouldn't consider running OS/2.

Comments?




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From: smsmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen M Smith)
Subject: Re: swap disks for os/2
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:37:01 GMT

pebly@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>
>If you are installing on a empty system or don't mind re-partitioning,
>a separate partition for the swap file is a good idea.  Since it is a
>dedicated partition, other files don't eat up up your swap space and
>fragmentation isn't a problem.  Also, putting the swap partition on
>your fastest drive optimizes performance a bit more.

What do you mean by "your fastest drive"?  Do you mean fastest
physical drive (in case you have 2 or more), or do you mean fastest
logical drive?

Also, do you really mean you need a separate *partition* for the
swap file, or just a separate logical drive?  There's a lot of
confusion between 'partition' and 'logical drive' in this news-
group!

Also, if someone could comment on the following division of my
210 MB IDE drive under OS/2 2.0, I'd appreciate it.  I'm planning
to divide up my drive as follows:


  Boot      FAT (for       HPFS (OS/2         HPFS (for     HPFS (for
Manager     DOS & apps)    system files)      swap file)     apps)

   1           44              50                 15          100


Anyway, something like that.  Here's my reasoning:  I don't want to
format totally for HPFS since I use DOS apps almost exclusively, so
I want a "back door" in case I run into incompatibilities.  I will
delete Windows on that drive and run Windows apps exclusively under
OS/2 (if I find any incompatibilities I'll just trash the Windows
app and get a corresponding OS/2 app to replace it).  I want to keep
Desqview on this FAT drive because I use DV almost exclusively for
my DOS apps (when I'm not using OS/2). 


I've given 50 MB to OS/2 for system files; that would include all
drivers, bitmaps, Win-OS2, MDOS, system utilities, and any other system 
related stuff I might get via ftp.

Comments? 
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From: ballard@ucs.ubc.ca (Alan Ballard)
Subject: Re: Windows as an OS Again
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:58:37 GMT

In <1992Apr8.185146.26318@cheshire.oxy.edu> rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller) writes:

>and audio, then went up and tried to start the program, nothing happened.
>The program just didn't start.  The animation and sound continued and finished,
>but the program (Reversi?) just sat there. 
 
I think there is a bug in GA that might have shown up here.  Several
times, I've double clicked on an app, but "nothibng happenned".  If I
look at the task list at this point, I find the app WAS started, but
its window is hidden... clicking on the task list brings it up. 

It isn't reproducible, and hasn't happened enough for me to get a
handle on when it occurs.  Never saw it before GA either. 

Don't know if this is what happened during the comdex demo, but I hope
IBM are investigating.... there is definitely a bug there somewhere. 

 
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: DOS Program Icons Under OS/2 - How?
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:35:49 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr15.021800.4792@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> prs@turing.acs.virginia.edu (Phillip R. Scarr) writes:
>I converted a bunch of these rad icons which were originally in .nil
>(Norton Icon Library) format and I may post them to comp.binaries.os2
>one of these days. 

Watch out.  If these icons are shipped with a Norton product, there
may be a copyright on the files.  Find out before posting OS/2
versions to a public forum.




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From: rodgers@engcon.marshall.ltv.com (KMRODGERS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Does OS/2 2.0 support Bernoulli drives
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:58:47 GMT
Reply-To: rodgers@engcon.UUCP (KMRODGERS)
Organization: LTV MEG, Dallas, TX


The subject line says is all: Is support for Bernoulli Boxes (specifically,
the 44 meg internal drives) included in OS/2 2.0?  I don't need to boot from
the Bernoulli, but it constitutes a primary part of my system and I _cannot_
run OS/2 until it has Bernoulli support.

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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Toll Free Support (was: Re: Benefits of OS/2?)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 03:51:21 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Four cheers!  This is really good to hear.  Necessary too.  Right on
folks.
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: Comparative programming OS/2 / Win (was Re: sexy guis?)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 02:25:59 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: comp

I don't think we are talking the same thing here.  It is pretty easy
to write a *little* Windows or PM application that is icon size but
I don't think real icons move.  I'd love to be wrong.

On X you can do this.  My favorite icon on AIX is the terminal session
that iconifies to a 1.5"x1.5" version of itself fully active.  You can
see incoming mail, etc.  You can even read parts of it if you squint.
Do that on PM or Windows!

Bob
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From: gulcu@masg1.epfl.ch (Ceki Gulcu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Installing OS/2 on 5"1/2 drive from 3"1/2 disquettes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:29:09 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

I got my copy of GA early this week. I am going to make a presenation of
OS/2 2.0 to the Central Computer Service of our school. Now, my copy of GA
came on 3"1/2 disquettes and I'd like to install them on a computer which has
a 5"1/4 A: drive. I could switch the cables of drive A: and B: (3"1/2), but
I don't wan't to do that. 

I have created a bootable 5"1/2 disquette using the SYSINSTX command and have
xcopied (with the extended attributes) the disquette number 1 
(the bootable diaquette is numbered zero). However, when the blue IBM logo
appears asking me to insert DISK_1 in drive A: the installation procedure just
ignores the disquette, i.e the bootable disqutte boots but does not recognize
DISK_1.

With OS/2 1.3 creating a set of installation disquettes from one type to the 
other was no problem?

Any suggestions?
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Desktop Tree View Oddities (Was: PM Terminal Buglet?)
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:23:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.225954.21678@midway.uchicago.edu> sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I kind of like PM Terminal -- I've sort of gotten used to it.
>However, does anyone know how to minimize the terminal session during
>a file transfer?  While dialing?  The session window blocks everything
>on the desktop, and it gets a bit difficult to navigate around while
>PM Terminal is running.  Most odd.
>Actually, there are a number of oddities in PM Terminal.

In getting around the problem, you can open the desktop using tree or
detailed view (RMB on desktop background -> Open -> Tree View).
However, the Master Help Index isn't listed!

It is listed in Detailed View.  However, when you use RMB and adjust
Settings of Master Help Index, the text field "cursor" appears about
two characters to the right of the title (when it shouldn't).  Weird.

Aren't buglets fun?  :-)
-- 
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sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu  List, available via anonymous ftp from
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Univ. of Chicago  60637  netmail from LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
From: rteasdal@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Rusty)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: System Reqs for 2.0?
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:22:49 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly State Univ,CSC Dept,San Luis Obispo,CA 93407


	Okay, I'm close to hooked after reading numerous flattering
articles about 2.0. What I wonder is whether I've got enough system
currently to do it justice, given its size.

	I run a slightly overoscillated 25 Mhz '386 (at 27 Mhz) with
a 128K cache, 4 megs, and a 120MB 17ms drive. It provides sprightly
performance running Windows on top of DOS 3.3, even at high (1024 by
768 noninterlaced) screen resolutions using a ProDesigner II card.

	Will this suffice? And how much disk space is required for a     
full installation with applets and games? Without the applets and games?
Will my high-res driver for Windows still work (I'm told that it will
but want to make sure) when running Windows apps?



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From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Development paet numners (Was Re: C Set/2)
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:26:01 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM


							 3.5"    5.25"
IBM C Set/2 1.0                        	           	10G2996  10G3293   
IBM WorkFrame/2 1.0  	                          	10G2994  10G3292 
IBM OS/2 2.0 Developer's Toolkit                  	10G3355  10G435  
IBM C Developer's Workset/2 (WF+Toolkit)          	10G2995  10G3363  
IBM OS/2 2.0 Developer's Workbench (Workset+CSet) 	10G4333  10G4334  
IBM OS/2 2.0 Technical Library                    	10G3356  10G3356 

David W. Levine      -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
dwl@watson.ibm.com   -- (914) 784-7427 

My Opinions, IBM's hardware. --
From: bking@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Barry King)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: IBM OS2TAPE software
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 92 22:09:53 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems, Edmonton, AB, Canada

rjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald Jones) writes:

> I have an IBM PS/2 internal tape backup system that utilizes IBM OS2TAPE
> software, which I have used under OS2 1.x. I thought this tape unit
> was made for IBM by Irwin. Does anyone know if this  software would work
> with the IRWIN Accutrak (sp) unit. If so it might be a solution!
> 

I don't know specifically about the Accutrack, but my SX80 is apparently 
the same unit (or very similar) to the one sold by IBM.  OS2Tape and 
EzTape both work fine on this drive.  I upgraded my EzTape OS/2 to 
EzTape/PM and am very pleased with the product.  I use DC2120 tapes and 
with full compression can back up my 200 Mb drive easily.  EzTape/PM is a 
vastly superior product to the old EzTape/OS2Tape offerings.

Barry King              bking@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Edmonton Remote Systems:  Celebrating 10 years of service to Northern Alberta
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David R. Giller)
Subject: Re: Tape Backup ?
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 07:27:37 GMT

>smbrush@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Andy Brush @Sverdrup) writes:
>> I'm looking for a cheap tape backup system for use with OS/2 version 2.0.  
[...]

I'm going to reveal my ignorance of tape backup systems here.  However:

I need a tape backup.  I need 250Mb.  I need QIC-80 commpatibility.  I need
a tape that I will be able to use under DOS, OS/2, and UNIX.

1. Are all QIC-80 drives hardware-compatible?  Can drivers for one QIC-80
drive be used on another?  Or is the standard just for the tapes?

2. Is there a QIC-80 drive available that has support (inexpensive) for
DOS, OS/2, and UNIX?  It doesn't have to be the fastest, it just has to
work.

3. SCSI is an option, if a drive is well-supported.  Can you hang a QIC-80
drive on a SCSI board?

4. (unrelated) Anyone know who I can call for a good price on an Adaptek
caching EISA SCSI controller?

-Dave
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From: ian@vnet.ibm.com (Ian Stirling)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 10:48:05 BST
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: swap disks for os/2
Reply-To: ian@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM UK Laboratories Ltd, Hursley, England
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
News-Software: UReply 3.0
            <1169.29e2fe44@mbcl.rutgers.edu>

In <1169.29e2fe44@mbcl.rutgers.edu> goldman@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
>.dos/windows vs os/2 comparison deleted.
>
>> And think of it this way - the only other OS for 386's with preemptive
>> multitasking and DOS boxes is Unix.  Expect to give up 70MB of disk +
>> a swap device disk VOLUME (not swap file, swap volume)
>Actually, I was planning on creating a swap volume when I go to os/2 2.0.
>My disk tends to be full & I want to make sure that the swap space is
>contiguous.  Anybody got any comments on the advisability of this?
>
>.. more unix stuff deleted..
>
>        Adrian
>

Adrian

This recomendation was made on an internal OS/2 conference many moons
ago.  I have ran all my departments machine with a separate swap drive
ever since.

Cheers,
Ian Stirling                      Internet: ian@vnet.ibm.com
CICS/ESA Systems Facilities         Bitnet: ian at vnet
IBM UK Labs Ltd, Hursley, England IBMIPnet: ian@stirling.hursley.ibm.com

Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Vienna, Austria
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 19:39:50 WUT
From: FLATSCHER Rony <RONY@awiwuw11.wu-wien.ac.at>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Norton

Most of the Norton utilities work including Norton Commander. Those
utilities which attempt to directly write to the disk bypassing the
operating system will not be allowed to work under 32bit OS/2 for
security reasons. Effected Speed Disk and Unerase.

For unerase use 32bit OS/2 unerase feature, which has to be explicitly
enabled by you. Regarding FAT-compressions, I have no idea how to do
it. Regarding HPFS-compression: Most of the time you do not need to do
that (meaning after a year of heavy usage there is almost no fragmentation
whatsoever), if so just copy (!) and OS/2 will defrag HPFS (of course
delete the source files after copying).

If still not satisfied get GammaTech's utilities.

---rony
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From: rjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald Jones)
Subject: OS/2 will not be sold where DOS is!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:01:05 GMT


My favorite computer dealer in Columbus has a small business
and primarily builds decent PC clones. I talked to him today
upon his return from Comdex. He was extremely frustrated
after talking to IBM people at Comdex about selling OS/2
with his bigger systems. The IBMer could not tell him the
first thing about the availability of OS/2 for resale. He
did not even know of any distributor where this dealer could
get the product. Finally the guy told him to call a regional
IBM office (in Cleveland I think). The dealer followed up
but this IBM office basically wanted to talk about dealer
authorization and volume purchases etc (which were pretty
well out of the realm of possibility for a small dealer).

My dealer later visited the Ingram booth at Comdex and asked
about OS/2. They knew all about it and said they were
carrying it. Ingram, was not a bit surprised to learn that
the IBM people appeared to know nothing about this
arrangement and commented about how ignorant the IBM force
was.

This is not the sort of report that I was hoping to hear.
Sounds like more changes need to be made. Can OS/2 survive
this sort of marketing?
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