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From: kimba@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Kim Brennan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Postscript
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:48:41 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Sun Apr 12 92 at 21:24:06 (EST)

> From: larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider)
> TMPLee@dockmaster.ncsc.mil wrote:
> |It's amazing.  I'm still unable to get a definitive answer from
> |anyone on whether the Laserwriter driver will work over the GS serial
> |port. One respondent says definitely it will NOT work -- it will only
> It is ABSABLUMMINGLOOTLY possible!!!!  Call Don Lancaster at:
> He will tell you how to do it!!  Then he will direct you to our
> program PageWriterGS as the BEST of all possible ways top write
> Postscript code!  At present, you can get 57.6k out of the game
> port and the standard 19.2k out of the GS serial port.  We are
> working on getting 57.6k out of the GS serial (beta version).
> Don is gone this weekend.             Larry


The current Laserwriter printer driver that comes with GS system 6.0 (and all
prior versions) works with Appletalk. Period. You CAN use it in a 'direct
connect' mode TO PRINT TO DISK NOT TO A PRINTER. You can then use something
else to DOWNLOAD postscript to the printer via the serial port (using the game
port seems totally ridiculous since the Zilog chip can go much faster then the
control panel allows IF you are knowledgable programmer) (Another side note,
is that it is ridiculous to drive a printer through a serial port if the
PRINTER'S serial port can only be at 19.2Kbps ANYWAY). 

I'm sure that Dave Lyons will (properly) squelch me if I'm wrong, when I
say that the main difference in the current Laserwriter driver (3.2?) is that
it can now be selected from the DC Printer Control Panel without renaming, and
that it now supports the Laserwriter IIf and Laserwriter IIg printers. It
STILL is expecting to talk to the printers via Appletalk and ONLY Appletalk.
 
As a HACKER, you can talk to the printer in other ways, but as a GENERAL user
that just wants to print from the Command-P dialog you can ONLY use the
Laserwriter driver in conjunction with Appletalk.

Don Lancaster, in the past, has used Applewriter (and from what I've heard
Pagewriter GS is simply a modern version of that) to code Postscript code
himself. I.E he was NOT using a Printer driver (which is what the TMPLee was
asking about). Don Lancaster has produced some very impressive Postscript
code. However his technique is not for the novice. 
 
Believe me, I've tried to use the Laserwriter driver with the serial port
driver (not to mention some parallel card drivers). IN EVERY CASE the driver
quickly reported that connection could not be established the Laserwriter. The
Laserwriter driver expects to communicate to the Laserwriter via Appletalk and
gets most unhappy when it can't do so. 

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From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: (none)
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2
Reply-To: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 16:02:06 GMT

In article <9204071822.AA07952@sunee.waterloo.edu> bmcaldwell@CIVIL.WATSTAR.WATERLOO.EDU writes:
:
:I'm having problems obtaining GSHK 1.0.5 from comp.binaries.apple2
:I've seen numerous messages about it being there, but I can't find
:anything that has a date stamp later than 1991!  Can someone tell
:me which directory it is in?  Here's what I have tried.
:
:        ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu
:        anonymous
:        bmcaldwell@civil.watstar.waterloo.edu
:        cd usenet
:        cd comp.binaries.apple2
:        cd GS
:        cd (every directory there, I still can't find it)
:        dir
:
:I know I'm missing something somewhere, but what?  Thanks in advance.
:

The usenet/comp.binaries.apple2 subdirectory hasnt been updated into subjects
for about a year now.  So what you want do to is to:

cd usenet/comp.binaries.apple2/Articles
get Index
binary
prompt
get 3071.Z
get 3072.Z
get 3073.Z
get 3074.Z

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From: fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: JPEG speed
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:29:12 GMT
Reply-To: fadden@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I mentioned to the JPEG people that I'd gotten the programs to work on a
IIgs... here's part of the response:

 >> Not a real speed demon; the test images took 6 minutes for JPG->PPM, 7.5
 >> minutes for JPG->GIF, and 12 minutes for PPM->JPG.
 >
 >Ouch.  Maybe it doesn't matter whether you have enough memory for
 >reasonable-size images :-(.  My goodness, that's slow.  Those tests take,
 >respectively, 9, 21, and 11 seconds on my old PC-AT, which I thought was
 >pretty bad.

This suggests a couple of things:
(1) APW C's code generator sucks (but we knew that);
(2) this thing would probably tear if it were written in assembly.

While the source code is immense, it is VERY modular.  There are NO global
variables; everything is passed in a structure.  This means that converting
some of the routines to assembly would be reasonably straightforward.

I'm kinda busy at the moment, but if somebody else wants to try, the sources
are on tybalt.  I don't have enough faith in Orca/C to suggest trying that
(if you want to, get the originals from ftp.uu.net; the tybalt sources have
been de-ansified).

-- 
fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]
From: flash@pro-applejacks.cts.com (Glenn Koproske)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: RE: NEWS RELEASE: MDG INTRODUCES PROLINE 2.0
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:16:16 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

In <k4koiB4w164w@graphics.rent.com>
matthew@graphics.rent.com (Matthew McGehrin) writes:

>[ alot of stuff deleted ]  
>
>> Pricing
>>
>> ProLine 2.0, $259.95 ($50 upgrade)
>> The complete ProLine 2.0 package and upgrade includes three 800K
>> disks, ProLine Installation Guide, and the ProLine Reference Manual
>> (see description below).
>>
> 
>I guess you do not want many new users in the proline community. Isnt 
>$260 alot for a bbs program? Alot of new authors will go the gnh- route, 
>since I woudlnt pay $260 for a software package. 

So who ever pays full retail for _anything_? 



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From: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 problems
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:52:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Apr11.175202.18376
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

In article <1992Apr10.224547.39236@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2frjbits@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Preston J. Park) writes:
>In article <1992Apr09.111905.23519@crash.cts.com>, jackm@pro-scat.cts.com (Jack Maher) writes:
>> David,  Just thought I'd try to inject a little positive note here.  

>Sheesh, no doubt.  It takes me a couple of hours just to read through all this
>stuff.

Perhaps we should start Comp.sys.apple2.system6.problems&praise?
Now that Andy has left us for another machine (A Mac no doubt! Ugh,
my fingers feel so dirty after running the Finder now ;-) I suppose
the posting might die down a little bit? (please? ;-) And we can get
back to the more important stuff, like correcting each other's spelling,
and debating how many posts should be enough before something should
be added to the FAQ. Right person who I'm supposed to lay off? ;-)
Gads... Its one of those days.
From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Sound CDEV - "you have mail" ?!
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:58:46 GMT
Organization: Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <QdsdN8u00WB514_10l@andrew.cmu.edu>, sk2f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Seth D. Kadesh) writes:
> 
> THIS has piqued my interest, and I'm surprised nobody's asked about
> this before (unless someone did, and I missed the entire discussion).
> So, can someone elaborate on this event in the finder?
> 
>   seth ---> sk2f@andrew.cmu.edu                               |<opinions?>

The AppleShare logon programs have always looked for a folder named "Mail"
inside your user folder whenever you log onto a user volume.  If there's
any items in there, they present a dialog that says "You have mail."  Under
SSW 6.0, that also sends a SysBeep2 request so you can get the sound of
your choice.

============================================================================
Matt Deatherage, Developer Technical  | The opinions expressed herein are
Support, Apple Computer, Inc.         | not those of Apple Computer, and
Personal mail only, please.  Thanks.  | shame on you for thinking otherwise.
^^^^^^^^ Technical questions are not personal. Please post them instead.
============================================================================
From: Tabakal@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: (none)
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:09:54 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

> I was wondering what happened to the anonymous ftp site of
> appple2.archive.umich.edu, I tried to login and found out that it wasn't
> accepting anonymous login. Is the site down or is it gone?
> 
 
Our network connection has been flaky as of late.  Part of this involves
the decreased support we have gotten from the University until 
such time as we move to the "new and improved" host.
 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |   The only reason for time is so that            Mark                    |
> |   everything dosen't happen at once.             mkoprwos@ub.d.umn.edu   |
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
We're still here (for the moment).
 
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From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian R Schmidt)
Subject: Re: AudioZap question
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:33:13 GMT

In article <9204062349.AB21419@apple.com> MQUINN@UTCVM.BITNET writes:
>On Sat, 4 Apr 1992 02:53:43 GMT Andy McFadden said:
>>I pulled AudioZap off of tybalt, and I noticed a big improvement from 0.8
>>to 1.2: the oscilloscope feature now works with my MDIdeas SuperSonic.  Of
>>course, I still can't digitize.
>
>I've had the same problem, but I've got a Sonic Blaster.

I have a Sonic Blister and I've had no problems at all with any system revision.  If you are unable to digitize with a sonic blaster, screw with the "setup
card" input level until you get something on the O-Scope.  Then TURN OFF YOUR
ZIP OR TRANSWARP GS TURN OFF YOUR ZIP OR TRANSWARP GS TURN OFF YOUR ZIP OR
TRANSWARP GS (or set the slot to slow in the Zip control panel) and all will
work just fine.  Sorry to shout, hope you got the point.  (-;

>>fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)

>  Michael J. Quinn


-- 
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"The Americans seem to hold...Marshalls with minimal processing in high
esteem...while the British seem quite ready to grab gobs of Kraco." - TNMS #459
From: greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gayla Ann Greis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Piraccy via BBSs (was: Re: Apple Awards)
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:20:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Apr16.172003.3747
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

In article <01050133.14a091@caligula.cts.com> edw@caligula.cts.com (Ed Watkeys) writes:
>people to make a judgement on their maturity. I'm also curious about
>what gets into adults who call these boards, and even moreso interested
>in the adults that run some of these things.

Well, I do on occasion. Why? Well, there are 4 other BBSs I call... 3 are
education related - no pirate sections (except a copy of the system soft
:-) and one is a pirate BBS. There are many more Pirate BBSs, but most
either have horrible threads about "SUK THIS ...." or some other stupid
thing... But one *IS* worth calling. He has an online game, usually good
messages (as he's quite the programmer), and the latest software to "try
out." Yes, I do have some pirated programs. I download them, try them,
and often buy them. Often I do not, relegating it to the "not so useful"
category. But I would have never bought some of the stuff I have without
first having had it. I don't go crazy with piracy. I'm not into having
huge quotas of "I got more den you got" stuff. I just like being useful,
its a good BBS to call, has fairly intellegent conversation, and the
latest software, and reviews. Thats why I call.

BTW: This BBS has no quota for upload/download ratios. It's low key,
rather than the greedy "Upload 4 blocks subject to my approval, and you
can download 1 block" quota system. Also, people put their own stuff up
quite often, and there is the best of the PD world as well... (I often
put stuff from CBA2 up... If someone else doesn't beat me too it :-)

>Do you call pirate boards for the software, or do you just like to talk
>to the people who steal software? In either case, that kind of board is
>totally unacceptable if you want to be on the internet. The internet
>does not need people who think that software is there for the stealing,
>that if the sysops leave them alone, everything would be k00l...

I see your point, and you probably don't see mine, but I don't know if
I would 100% agree with you. Pirate boards are inherantly wrong. Yes.
Have you ever had any pirated software? Do you have *anything* now?
I am willing to bet there are few (read there *ARE* a few who haven't)
who have never pirated anything. If you tend to buy what you would have,
and probably more, and you don't make a criminal habit out of it...
I think that it is natural (not necessarily right), and we need to deal
with it in that way.

>I won't even start about handles and how stupid *they* are... I'm sure
>you appeciate that, Flav, right?

Hey now. We use handles on the CB, IRC, and in many other places... I
don't quite agree with you here. A "handle" should tell something
about yourself, due to the lack of face contact. If you have a meaningless
handle... Well...
From: johnp@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (John Palaima)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Apple
Date: 8 Apr 92 00:50:42 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-angmar]

Seems like Matt and others on Apple.com are double posting or is it me
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,from.socal.com
From: mdavis@crash.cts.com (Morgan Davis)
Subject: Re: NEWS RELEASE: MDG INTRODUCES PROLINE 2.0
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:21:22 GMT

In <1992Apr10.021226.16556@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.221907.14593@pro-palmtree.socal.com> mporter@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mike, System Admin.) writes:
>>While your Metal board plays with itself, my ProLine is bringing mail and
>>usenet news right to my desktop, automatically. Can't beat that! 
>
>Hey, Proline's got a little development edge here... its been around for
>a LONG time.

Just to set the record straight, and not wanting to get into the fray,
development on ProLine began in 1984.  It was in 1985 that it began
exchanging mail with a local UNIX system, crash.  In fact, ProLine's
first message out to another system was not to another ProLine (there
was only one at the time: mine!).  The first message was to crash.  I
think it took all of about two weeks to get the networking going.
Before that, ProLine had just been a regular old BBS.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: System 6.0
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1992 01:35:05 GMT

 Lunatic> == Lunatic Johnathan Bruce E'Sex <lunatic@ucscb.UCSC.EDU> 


 Lunatic> In article <1992Mar28.121632.375@crash.cts.com> larry@pro-odyssey.cts.com writes:
>In <1992Mar26.001759.24340@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
>umamihud@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Amihude) writes:
>>
>>   Is System 6.0 available via FTP yet?  If so, which sites carry it?
>
>I've heard that the distributors already have 6.0 ready to ship but Apple has
>them on hold until they decide that the time is right. Apple sure does have
>strange strategies.


 Lunatic>     Actually, the strategy is that all distributors get it,
 Lunatic> before any ONE of them can release it.  Then, there's a set
 Lunatic> date for all of them to release it together.  This is to be
 Lunatic> fair to everyone, and not show any favouritism by Apple.  The
 Lunatic> time frame is usually 1-2 weeks after it's mailed out by
 Lunatic> Apple, before it can be released.  The official distribution
 Lunatic> copies have to be sent out by snail mail, and of course
 Lunatic> sometimes that takes a lot of time.

Well, this looks like it would lessen the likelihood of another "System
Seven Catastrophe" happening. When Macintosh System 7 shipped (last
May), there was a problem that the Federal Express Shipment to the
Northeast (shipped overnight) didn't arrive. Ever. So all of the Apple
dealers in the Greater Boston area were getting calls from anxious
people, and had nothing to give them, even though the date had arrived
that Apple told everyone that System 7 would be avaliable had arrived.
Lots of complaints were filed. Apple eventually re-shipped out tons of
System 7 distributions, but Boston was set-back for weeks... we didn't
get our Group Upgrade Kit until mid-June. 

I hope Apple learned, and is waiting until confirmation of all dealers
having System 6 before shipping.

--Helen
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From: rxbrown@UALR.EDU ("MR.FANTASTIC")
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: My $.02 worth
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:11:52 GMT
Organization: The Internet


    Just my $.02 worth on system 6.0. I love it!!!!! Its great!! My hat is
off to all the people who worked on it. I also love QuickLaunch!! Which I just
installed last night when I should have been studying.

    System 6 is faster than 5.0.X, and of course a lot more flexible. Now all I 
need is another Meg of memory and a ZipGS. I just love it, its great!!

Robert

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From: trentc@pro-calgary.cts.com (Trent Corney)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: SyQuest Cartridges Readable?
Date: 5 Apr 92 21:50:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-calg.d554993
Organization: ProLine [pro-calgary]

In <Z0q8HB3w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca> toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira) writes:

>Once again, the limitation is not in the RamFAST, it's only in the utility 
>program that comes on the built-in ROMdisk. If you use some other partition 
>creator (I have to assume that System 6 includes a minimal one) you can use 
>the RamFAST quite happily with any partition size you like (up to the 9 
>billion gigabyte or whatever HFS limit).

Only in the utility program eh? Not from what I have seen. I have a Ramfast
rev D with ROMs 2.01e on it. I have a SyQuest removable hooked to. I got
System 6, installed it and ran Apple's Advanced Utilities that came with
it. I tried to partition a cartridge to a 44 MB HFS partition. It said it
worked, but once I got back to the Finder and did an about on it, all I had
was a 32 MB volume. I seem to be missing a mere 12 MB.

The Ramfast has problems.

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From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 Launcher!
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:41:18 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <9204090045.AA09561@chasm.scar.utoronto.ca> tcomtaob@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao) writes:
>The following revelation escaped Marc Sira's lips:
>> 
>> (I'm still getting used to launching an application by double-clicking on 
>> the name label).
>
>    Ack... I really don't like that "feature".  At first I thought it was
>a bug, but the Finder 6.0 ERS says that was intentional.  If I want to
>rename an icon, I will click on the filename.  If I want to launch an icon,
>I will click on the icon.  I don't understand the reasoning behind the
>change.  Make your icons bigger if you find it to difficult to home in on
>with the mouse.  There should be a preference for that...

But what's the problem?  You can still rename an icon by clicking on
its name, as always.  Sometimes only the name of a icon on the desktop
is sticking out from behind some other window--in that case, it's
annoying to double-click & have it edit the name.

I'd much rather -not- have gobs of preferences.  The ones in 6.0 are
good (with the possible exception of "Color selection icon's background
instead of its outline," which I'm not sure anybody ever turns off),
but we don't need a whole bunch more.
-- 
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Apple II System Software Engineer         |   P.O. Box 875
America Online: Dave Lyons                |   Cupertino, CA 95015-0875
GEnie:DAVE.LYONS  CompuServe:72177,3233 Internet:dlyons@apple.com

My opinions are my own, not Apple's.
From: 2frjbits@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Preston J. Park)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 problems
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:45:47 CDT
Organization: Macrocosm BBS: 913-841-9446

In article <1992Apr09.111905.23519@crash.cts.com>, jackm@pro-scat.cts.com (Jack Maher) writes:
> David,  Just thought I'd try to inject a little positive note here.  
> 
> 1)  I think System 6 is great!!  Thanks and congrats to you, Andy and
> Apple!
> 
> 2)  The level of support you've provided through this forum alone is

Sheesh, no doubt.  It takes me a couple of hours just to read through all this
stuff.
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