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From: imr@cs.bham.ac.uk (Ian M Rae)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Picture viewers
Date: 20 Jan 93 13:27:32 GMT
Organization: University of Birmingham

In article <1jhlpdINNgma@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wells) writes:
|> > >Does anyone have a GIF/JPEG viewer/converter for the ST ???
|> > 
|> > Have u ever used Gemview ? I love it ...
|> 
|> Try Photochrome 3.0.  It's faster than GEM-View, and does a better job
|> of it!  (As long as you want it converted into 320*200 that is 8-)
|> 
|> Why does GEM-View use the outdated IMG format to save it's pictures!?
|> Or can you chop out bits and save them back in GIF, or Some other ST
|> format!?
|> 
|> Also, on an ST, GEM-View only shows 16 colors, Photochrome will show
|> all 256 colors of a VGA GIF, and will convertit into 4096 which makes
|> them look GREAT!
|> 
|> (I've never seen the 19600 color mode, or however many it is - 4096
|> looks good enough for me ;-)
|> 
|> 
|>  =============================================================================
|>  | O O    Computers:  Not just machines, they're a way of  |       |||       |
|>  |  o     life.  Your computer *IS* your religion!         |       ||| TARI  |
|>  | \_/    Steve Wells - Wellington, New Zealand.           |      / | \      |
|>  =========================WELLS_S@KOSMOS.WCC.GOVT.NZ==========================

The 19200 colour mode ( 96 colours per line * 200 lines ) from 32k colours is
absolutely fantastic! If you haven't see it then find someone with an STE and
be impressed. At last my STE can do something my mates A500 can't !

I have only two gripes with PhotoChrome 3 and that is it doesnt handle IFF files
as well as it does GIF files ( ie no squash to fit or display area selection )
and it can't as yet do JPEG files :(



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From: giggey@ecf.toronto.edu (GIGGEY Mike S)
Subject: Re: A1200 versus Falcon 030... FAQ...NOT
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:42:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.122535.8059@tdb.uu.se> m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg) writes:
>RUNE HYLDMO writes:
>
>>1. Have you ever been read a German computer-mag. Games what is that??
>
>    There are other mags.
>
>>2. Do games sell machines in Europe just because they do so in England?
>
>    At least they do so in Scandinavia
>
>>3. Did the IBM-PC have good games in the 80's? Did it sell anyway. Did it
>>   sell more than Amiga?
>
>    Who cares.
>
>>4. Is the A1200 any good without any Fast-ram? Does fast-ram cost money.
>
>    Yes, it is good without Fast-ram, why don't you get the specs. before
>    you put out statements like that one. I believe that you do not know much about
>    the AGA-chipset.
>
>>5. Does the A1200 have a DSP to make stunning zoom-effects.
>
>    Commodore will release a DSP this summer + OS-support for it,
>    and it won't be simple cheap stuff like the one in the Falcon,
>    it will be a good quality product.
>
>    Does the Falcon have a PCMCIA-slot ?
>
>>5 1/2. Does the A1200 have 16-bit sound. Does a 16-bit A1200 card cost money?
>
>    We will have it soon.
>
>>6. Does the A1200 work properly? Is Amiga 1200 a quality product or a rush
>>   job?
>
>    A couple of machines sold in the U.K was faulty, other than that the A1200 is perfect.
>
>>7. Is it better to launch a product with lots of faults or wait untill the
>>   machine works properly?
>
>   This has nothing to do with the A1200, get your facts straight.
>
>>8. Are there any "A1200 only" games out there yet. If not what's the use?
>>   Games sell machines don't they?
>
>    Yes there are.
>
>/Mattias
>
>____
>Mattias Myrberg
>
>m92mmy@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se
>

Why do you say the Atari has a cheap DSP system in it.  It is the same DSP 
chip that is used on the NEXT computer.  Not a flabby system.
From: qsi@contrast.wlink.nl (Peter Kocourek)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ADVOCACY: Canadian support was: Re: RFD: What to do with
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:36:16

davidli wrote in a message on 20 Jan 93 to All

 D> Of course, the majority of computer purchasers are NOT students 
 D> attending university. Why not use some 'real-world' pricing? 
 D> The new Proxima line, including color monitor, is selling for 
 D> $1700 at Best Buy. The cost of a IIci is proportionately higher

Granted. It's called the Performa line, BTW. In any case, the new LC III
will be out soon (next month), with the base model selling at below $1500.
Its specs are much like those of the IIci, with the difference that the
IIci is more easily upgradeable (more NuBus slots), and the LC III has
better video. It is rumored the IIci will be discontinued with the new
batch of Macs, and this could lead to some interestingly low prices for a
really good Mac out there.


YHS:QSI!
From: sbrown@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stuart Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ST-Falcon Swap Scheme Concept
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:46:35 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ST-Falcon swap scheme concept
Summary: 
Expires: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: Dept. of Computing & Electrical Eng., Heriot-Watt University, Scotland
Keywords: 


Wouldn't it be a great idea if Atari were to offer ST owners a swap scheme
in order for them to get their hands on a Falcon?

I bought a 520STFM in March 1990, right before Atari decided to dwindle the
price of an STE;  since then I've upgraded to 1Mb, got a sampling cartridge
and an external floppy disk drive:  the point is, if I were to get a Falcon,
all this stuff would be useless!  If a swap scheme was in operation, Atari
could take our old hardware (use it for spares or sell it again for cheaper
perhaps) and give us a spanking new Falcon:  obviously we would have to give
Atari some money as well;  they can't give away Falcons!

I seem to remember Commodore offering a similar scheme for Amiga 500 owners
upgrading to a CD-TV.  If Commodore can do it, it must be viable (that or
Commodore have egg on their faces).  Atari don't even have to operate it -
perhaps respectable mail order companies could do it, keeping the STs and
disk drives, etc. for resale or repairs.

Despite my enthusiasm for such a concept, I doubt very much whether it will
come true:  I'll have to sell my ST system for a pittance (FMs can't be worth
very much now if you can get an STE mail order for 250 pounds) and save up
the money to afford the (allegedly) newly-boxed Falcon when it arrives on
March 1st (or whenever).  

Well, I suppose, if you don't dream, then you'll never have a dream come true!
(do sing along, Captain Sensible fans!)

Before I go, a question: 'Will Sensible Soccer be available on the Falcon?'

Cheerio, Atarians.


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Subject: Re: PD Spreadsheets
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 10:48:44 GMT
Organization: The CServer at the Z*NET International Global News Gateway

cjp@aber.ac.uk (C J Price) writes:

> I did have a PD spreadsheet, but was not very impressed.  If you can
> get hold of UK mags, then February's Atari ST User magazine has
> Micro-office Professional Spreadsheet on the cover, instructions in
> the mag, and they'll also sell you the full manual for pounds 7-50.
> 
> ST Format had Kuma's old spreadsheet offering on the front some months
> back, and do a back issue service, so you could also get that.
 
 There is a PD spreadsheet program called "Sheet".  It works well enough 
for most applications. We used to use it at our old user group for 
accounts and I think the chaps still use it for that purpose and also 
billing for the PD libary.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cmedley@wam.umd.edu (F L i P)
Subject: Re: Falcon's sighted in USA
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:54:32 GMT


Well, these might be the same boxes that were at WAACE.  I didn't go to
WAACE... so such might be the case.  We didn't get a good answer on the 
availability... 



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From: entropy@gnu.ai.mit.edu (maximum entropy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: STZIP.. is the latest version here yet?
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:46:59 GMT
	<1jn10rINN87b@golem.wcc.govt.nz>
Organization: Not Proud Programmers

In article <1jn10rINN87b@golem.wcc.govt.nz> wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wells) writes:

>> On a related topic, please do not upload .ZIP files to atari.archive,
>> as we do not have the facilities on the archive machine to check them
>> for errors and so on.  If your favorite new program came in a ZIP
>> archive, please re-pack it into ARC, ZOO, or LZH format before
>> uploading it to atari.archive.
>
>What a nuisance!

Sorry...supporting umpteen different archivers is a nuisance as well.

>What percentage of files are ever corrupt any-way!?  I've had problems
>with about 2 files I've gotten from a.a  and that's just because
>I had the wrong version of the de-archiver!

See what a good job we're doing? :-)

I'd say about one in 10 files I've examined in the New directory since
becoming an archiver has been corrupted.

There are many things that can cause corruption--uploading from your
home box to the machine you ftp from in text mode, ftp'ing the file
into the archive in text mode, using KERMIT-32 on a VAX/VMS box to
upload your software in BINARY instead of FIXED file format,
transmission errors in a correctly configured upload that may for some
reason not get noticed by the comm software you use...

These things happen.  That's one of the reasons we check software
before moving it into the archive dirs.  The other (and possibly more
important) reason is that some people (accidentally?) have uploaded
commercial software to the archive, and it would be a real pain if the
archive shut down because of legal hassles.

As for ZIP files, I've gotten lots of questions in email about the
archive's policy of not accepting ZIP's.  Some people have sent
helpful pointers to UNIX ZIPpers.  I've referred all of them to the
head honcho of the Atari archivists (weiner) since it was his decision
(though I certainly back him up 100%) to not accept ZIP's.

Some reasons (speaking for myself, and not weiner) why ZIP's shouldn't
be accepted on the archive:

1.  There's already too many damn archive formats.  The main reason
for using archives is so that you can transmit files more quickly
between two machines.  If you've got to spend all this time
downloading the newest Super-Mega-Ultra-Deluxe-Zappo-Archiver every
week or so just to keep up with things, the purpose is defeated.

2.  Until STZIP 2.1, there simply wasn't a reliable ZIPper for the ST.
I haven't messed with STZIP 2.1 too much so I can't really even say if
this newest one is reliable.

3.  ZOO 2.1 with high-compression mode (zoo ah foo.zoo files....)
gives better compression results on most files.

Cheers,
entropy

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From: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au (Marshall Harris (G.M.))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Programs - I need ideas...!
Keywords: help
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:26:40 GMT
Reply-To: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au

In <H.eg.Jzc7W7uBf8g@elfhaven.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> mforget@elfhaven.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Michel Forget) writes:

>Hi!

>I am in need of ideas for applications to write.  What would people like
>to see?  I am at a serious loss for good ideas at the moment, which is
>why I am asking.
How about something like Xtree (on PC's)? that is: a graphical tree of disk
directories (hard & floppy), and all sorts of useful mainpulations, arcing,
viewing, etc?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg)
Subject: Re: A1200 versus Falcon 030... FAQ...NOT
Organization: His Own Place
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:25:35 GMT

RUNE HYLDMO writes:

>1. Have you ever been read a German computer-mag. Games what is that??

    There are other mags.

>2. Do games sell machines in Europe just because they do so in England?

    At least they do so in Scandinavia

>3. Did the IBM-PC have good games in the 80's? Did it sell anyway. Did it
>   sell more than Amiga?

    Who cares.

>4. Is the A1200 any good without any Fast-ram? Does fast-ram cost money.

    Yes, it is good without Fast-ram, why don't you get the specs. before
    you put out statements like that one. I believe that you do not know much about
    the AGA-chipset.

>5. Does the A1200 have a DSP to make stunning zoom-effects.

    Commodore will release a DSP this summer + OS-support for it,
    and it won't be simple cheap stuff like the one in the Falcon,
    it will be a good quality product.

    Does the Falcon have a PCMCIA-slot ?

>5 1/2. Does the A1200 have 16-bit sound. Does a 16-bit A1200 card cost money?

    We will have it soon.

>6. Does the A1200 work properly? Is Amiga 1200 a quality product or a rush
>   job?

    A couple of machines sold in the U.K was faulty, other than that the A1200 is perfect.

>7. Is it better to launch a product with lots of faults or wait untill the
>   machine works properly?

   This has nothing to do with the A1200, get your facts straight.

>8. Are there any "A1200 only" games out there yet. If not what's the use?
>   Games sell machines don't they?

    Yes there are.

/Mattias

____
Mattias Myrberg

m92mmy@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se
From: e90-frt@tekn.hj.se (TOMAS FRIDN)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: FRACTAL ?
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:01:31 GMT
Organization: H|gskolan i J|nk|ping

I'm looking for a book in fractals, it rather would be a
book that give you som exampels in PASCAL or BASIC.

If anybody have or knows such a book please give me
the title,auther and if possible ISBN.
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wells)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: STZIP.. is the latest version here yet?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:28:11 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

> On a related topic, please do not upload .ZIP files to atari.archive,
> as we do not have the facilities on the archive machine to check them
> for errors and so on.  If your favorite new program came in a ZIP
> archive, please re-pack it into ARC, ZOO, or LZH format before
> uploading it to atari.archive.

What a nuisance!

What percentage of files are ever corrupt any-way!?  I've had problems
with about 2 files I've gotten from a.a  and that's just because
I had the wrong version of the de-archiver!

 =============================================================================
 | O O    Computers:  Not just machines, they're a way of  |       |||       |
 |  o     life.  Your computer *IS* your religion!         |       ||| TARI  |
 | \_/    Steve Wells - Wellington, New Zealand.           |      / | \      |
 =========================WELLS_S@KOSMOS.WCC.GOVT.NZ==========================

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Subject: SMPTEtrack Platinum ???
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:33:07 GMT


csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca writes:

>     SEMTE TRACK PLATINUM
>     SMPTE TRACK GOLD

Huh???  Does SPMTEtrack Platinum already exist???  Why don't I know...???
Anybody anymore info one on this one?  Pleeeazzze...

Hendrik "a very happy SMPTE Track Gold user" Jan


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From: evilandi@vnet.ibm.com (Andrew Oakley)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 11:36:27 GMT
Subject: More Atari ST stuff on British TV
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st

   The UK commercial teletext system "Teletext On 3", broadcast on the
commercial network TV channel ITV, this week decided to drop its refusal
to publish ST-related items.

   The "Digitiser" section, which runs from pages 370-379, mainly concerns
itself with games reviews, hints & tips, but there is quite often a look
at the technology behind the screens (pun intended).

   The response is apparently due to the number of letters received from
UK ST enthusiasts. The Children's ITV programme "Bad Influence" has been
subject to a similar campaign, with presenter Andy Crane remarking in
several programmes about the number of letters received asking for more
Atari coverage.

   "Bad Influence" featured a preview of the Falcon some weeks back, with
Andy demonstrating its sampling and graphics capabilities. He showed how
a microphone could be plugged *directly* into the Falcon, and used a
German program to record and effect-process his speech, followed by a
slideshow and an animation of a bird. Andy seemed to have very positive
thoughts about the Falcon, and seemed to believe it was going to be the
next *big* home computer.

   The ST has also been featured several times on the Channel 4 programme
"Gamesmaster".

Andrew Oakley <evilandi@vnet.ibm.com> (JANET: <evilandi@com.ibm.vnet>)
IBM Warwick, UK (I speak FROM IBM, not FOR IBM)    UK Tel. 0926 464830
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Budgie UK titles: Ballpark, Flipped & Square Off
Shareware titles: ST-Zine Disk Mag Kit, Quiz Construction Kit & others
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Howzat for starters, BobR? :-)
From: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: None
Subject: Re: PC Bigotrynex
	<1993Jan21.192029.5021@exu.ericsson.se>,<1993Jan22.121036.13975@bsu-ucs>
	<1jqhd4INNlkf@golem.wcc.govt.nz>
Reply-To: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:08:54 MET

In <1jqhd4INNlkf@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, Steve Wells writes:
>> What is the deal with those 66mHz claims anywho?  I've heard that it's not
>> altogether a true statement -- one of those claims that _should_ be follow
>> a little asterisk for disclaimer.   Anyone?
>> 
>
>There is now 100Mhz capability.  Not that anyone cares, right!? 8-)
>
>
Oh, this was what I've been waiting for all my life: A computer with
a processor whos clock frequency is reciveable on my FM-Tuner! I *MUST*
have one of those }B^)

**Evil grin**

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: giggey@ecf.toronto.edu (GIGGEY Mike S)
Subject: Re: PC Bigotrynex
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 01:15:54 GMT

I hope you aren't calling the 68040 just a speed doubled 68030.  The 68040
has numerous improvements including a larger internal cache and a Floating
Point chip on board.  The larger cache makes it a lot easier to implement
a machine without resorting to wait states or even to an external cache.
The 256 bytes of data and instruction caches each was one of the main reasons
the TT was really not that fast a machine.
 512
From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: OS/2 for the PC
	<H.ea.0NtcEE6&Epg@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca>
	<1993Jan19.012804.13784@bsu-ucs>
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:57:18 EST

In <1993Jan19.012804.13784@bsu-ucs>, 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
> > More people aren't using OS/2 becuase:
> > 
> >     a) OS/2 1.x was _terrible_... even worse than Windows 3.0
> >     b) People using DOS aren't aware of the fact that it'll do DOS
> >        better than DOS can; not to mention the added functionality
> >        they'll be getting (multitasking, a GUI, etc).
> >     c) People using DOS/Windows are convinced that, "Oh well, Windows
> >        is pretty sucky, OS/2's probably just as bad.  Might as well
> >        stick with what I have now."
> >     d) MS has brainwashed people into thinking Windows is "cool" and
> >        "the way of the future".
> >     e) People are too lazy (and too stupid) to install any software
> >        onto their system, beyond the stuff that came with it in the
> >        first place (betcha there's a million DOS 3.3 users still out
> >        there).
> >     f) They were too intimidated by the installation diskettes...
> >        there's ~29 of them.
> 
> So...If I ever were to become infected with the clone-virus, but I did not
> become lazy or stoopid, OS/2 would likely be the best choice for me if my
> primary uses for the computer are wordprocessing, and T-comm; secondary are
> programming and games-playing?

Yes.  If you ran into a nasty game (ie, Ultima VII), you could boot DOS
to run it, and go back to OS/2 when you're done playing (especially if
you kept a 20M or 30M partition for DOS, and the rest for OS/2).

Add DTP to the above list of primary uses, and you've pretty much got me
(add raytracing and animation to the secondary uses)...  IMHO OS/2 is
the only logical choice, unless you're utterly in love with Micro$oft.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: yonder@netcom.com (Christopher Russell)
Subject: Spectre with 14.4 modem -- Handshaking?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 02:59:50 GMT


thanks to the folks who suggested that I use Serfix on my St.. it worked
great to solve my handshaking problems with my new faster modem.

My next question is how can I get this same clean handshaking when I
am using my Spectre GCR.  Handshaking does not seem to work under
Spectre either.

Can anybody suggest anything?  Does anybody else have this problem?

       .......thanks......
               ............chris

P.S. I use Z-term primarily, but I tried others and had the same
handshaking problems.  My modem is a 14.4 baud Digicomm Scout Plus
modem.  My ST is an old 1040STf with old ROMs.  My Spectre is version
3.0.




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