HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Phydeaux <reb@ingres.com>
Subject: re: Getting a job w/net.access
Reply-To: reb@ingres.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:14:08 GMT

Wharfie writes:
|In article <1992Jul21.163358.17352@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> reb@ingres.com writes:
|>A way to do this is to try to post to the misc.jobs and related
|>Usenet  newsgroups  as part of  your  job  search.   
|
|        Or you could offer to make a copy of a really great Dead show for
|anyone who will send you blanks, and then enclose a copy of your resume
|with each set of tapes.

Yea -- come to think of it I  did  that as well ;-) I  think it was my
more  than casual  mention of  my   need  for a   job  right here   in
dead-flames/r.m.g that actually got me the  first shot at my interview
with Ingres!  (Thanks again, Cormac!)  It is  really hard   to believe
that that was over 3 years ago.  I  do  not, however, think  we should
turn this forum into a job-search group.
						reb
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Phydeaux <reb@ingres.com>
Subject: re: Net access
Reply-To: reb@ingres.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:33:58 GMT

gt4601b@prism.gatech.EDU (CARLISLE,ANDREW GUY) writes:
|(1)     Does anyone know how to gain Net-Access once you are in the REAL
|        WORLD?  I am going to graduate in about 9 months and would hate to
|        lose access to the Network.  If anyone could tell me how I could get
|        access I would really appreciate it.

Sure, work for a company with net access.  I'd dare say that there are
as  many non-university  people reading this  as there are  university
types. A way to do this is to try to post to the misc.jobs and related
Usenet  newsgroups  as part of  your  job  search.   Posting on Usenet
worked for me 3+ years ago!

Another  way is to  try to find a   public access Unix  system  with a
Usenet feed somewhere near where you live.

Finally, Compu$erve, MCImail and ATTmail all (I believe) have gateways
to the  Internet, so  you  could always have  dead-flames delivered to
your own mailbox -- though you'd have to pay through the nose  for the
privilege.
				reb
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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead,rec.music.phish
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 10:25:49 -0400 
From: "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Grassroots tape grovel

Did anyone tape at the Grassroots Music Festival in Trumansburgh, NY last
weekend?  (I know someone did, I saw them, but they were gone before I got
their address...)
If so, I'd like to trade for some tapes of some of the bands there- Rusted
Root, the Horseflies, mostly.  I have a bunch of Rusted Root masters (we do the
taping for them here in Pgh), and I also have some recent Phish tapes and we
taped at the Great Blue Heron music festival two weeks ago in Sherman, NY.

Anybody wanna trade?

(oh yeah... I have access to a bunch of dead tapes as well- my housemate's- but
I know almost nothing about what he has, etc...
)


-me
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From: jeff@dirac.physics.sunysb.edu (Jeff Althoff)
Subject: Re: the perennial subject of donna and keith
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:48:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.025613.11135@seas.smu.edu> quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia) writes:
>>Bravo, wharfie.  Especially when the other guy -- the guy being flamed
>>-- has on several occasions claimed that his ... um ... "OPINIONS" are
>>the objective truth, & that anyone who disagrees with him (i.e. almost
>>everybody on r.m.gd, since he thinks that the Dead have not had a
>>single decent show since circa 1977, & maybe even 1970) is (and I
>>quote) "clueless."
>>
>Oh well gee, "clueless"? If you really like Donna's singing, you might try
>checking out your average canine howling when the moon is full, because it
>bears remarkable similarities both in timbre and general intonation-
>although Donna would still be by far the louder of the two....You should
>get a clue. It isn't a matter of opinion- it is a question of poor vocal
>ability.

   So you say. I like the sound of the band with Donna. I like the 
   sound of the band now. What are YOU gonna do about it? 

   From the tone of your posts, I'd say you don't have any respect for
   people with OPINIONS different from yours. Do you think you're going
   to change anybody's mind??? Get real. As much as I disagree with you
   and dislike the offensive tone of your postings (not just the one 
   referenced here), I respect your right
   to your own opinion and all I ask is that you do the same for me.

   If this is how you truely feel, then you and I DISAGREE. There is 
   nothing wrong with that.

   Let's agree to disagree on this one.
   Jeff A.

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From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: Re: East Coast
Organization: Vestek Systems
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 18:42:05 GMT

In article <2A6D873C.4093@noiro.acs.uci.edu> mrichey@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Mike Richey) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.232944.2369@vestek.com> marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen) writes:
>
>>
>>     What venues have the Dead by kicked out of ?
>>
>
>I'd be willing to say that Irvine Meadows in Laguna Hills California
>is a decent answer. Although I did see Bob play there earlier this
>month. JGB will be there on August 1st. 
>
>
     I know the Dead are banned from Berkeley CA, so that makes 2 WEST COAST venues
the Dead dont do. What East Coast cities have said no more Dead ?




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From: s3583045@titan.ucc.umass.edu (John Greene)
Subject: Donna
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:13:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.160732.9942@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> WS3X@cornellc.bitnet writes:
>This Donna Bashing is getting outa hand (and seems to me a thinly veiled form
>of chavunism i.e. the Dead's stage is no place for a woman, its too intense or
>some BS like that).

Now it's my turn.... OH, HORSESHIT.  What makes you think that only the men
can't stand her wailing?  Let's talk percentages not numbers.  Given that 
there are probably (way) more men reading this group than women (and that's
a separate discussion altogether), then sure... the raw numbers seem to in-
dicate that most of the Donna bashers are men.  But if we consider percent-
ages, I'd venture to guess that the percentage of males who (all-in-all) think
the band would have been better off without Donna wouldn't be any greater than
the percentage of females, and I'd be happy to run a poll!

Just send me an e-mail message with the subject of "Re: Donna".  If it's not
"Re: Donna" it may not be counted.  In the body of the message include your
sex (for the Jamie's and the Chris's among us :-) and either "Good Donna" or
"Bad Donna" or something along those lines.

I'll do the math and post the results.  Ok???

> Dudes, why is so imprtant to you to trash Donna (even if you really believe
>everything you've said)?

Ugh.  Listen to the 5/19/74 Scarlet.


-jg

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From: John Schulien   <U21187@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Looking for Veneta taper tickets
Reply-To: U21187@uicvm.uic.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:15:36 GMT

A friend of mine is looking for taper tickets for Veneta. If you have one
for either or both nights that you would be willing to sell him, he'd
greatly appreciate the favor. He bought his plane tickets and everything,
and then got rejected by GDTS.

         John Uhl
      (708) 672-7586

Thanks,

- John
From: richter@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Jean Richter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: *My* clueless opinion!
Summary: yet another
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:23:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul31.113046.1787@bvc.edu> bowers@bvc.edu writes:

[much other stuff deleted]

>Maybe I'm listening to different stuff that everyone eeeee, but it seems to 
>me (at least from the officially relseased live recordings) that the band 
>vocally was better in the 72-77 period. While he was a great solo singer, I 
>never though Brent was all that great singing harmonies. (compare the Live 
>Europe 72 China/Ryder to the Without at Net version). 
>

I must respectfully disagree. While I only got to see one Keith & Donna
show in late '78, based on listening to tapes, the Brent era wins
hands down. Sometimes the 72-77 vocals sound fine, other times
it's painful to listen to. They were much more consistently in tune
during the Brent years. Don't base your opinions of their vocal
skills on live albums, which are heavily overdubbed after the fact.

>Now at Richfield this summer the Boys closed with Brokedown Palace and I 
>think their harmonies sounded the best they have in years........This is 
>not to say that Brent didn't make an awesome contribution, (I just don't 
>think Keith was the kind of player that could pull of Lost Sailor/Saint, 
>for example), just that he was not perfect at everything he did.

There's no denying the new monitor earphones help immensely
(and that chorus-vocalizer effect they use now helps too :-)
Vince has a better range than Brent did (Brent lost his high
register by '82 or '83), but I still think Brent sang more
consistently in tune than Vince, except maybe for his decline
in late '89 - early '90.

Jean Richter
richter@hera.Berkeley.EDU
ucbvax!hera!richter
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From: "Doug Budzak" <DBUDZAK@IVY>
Subject: personal to Curt Moffitt
Reply-To: DBUDZAK@IVY
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:00:40 GMT

Hi Curt - your message about the 68 tape tree got to me ok, but my
reply to you got bounced back (sigh). I can send you 2 100-min blanks +
postage, etc, as soon as you send me your address. Thanks again!
From: rademaew@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: So, who is Tipper?
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:14:52 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <CC.92Jul23130549@carna.dcs.ed.ac.uk>, cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
> 
> Who is Tipper Gore?
> --
> 	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)


I've always wanted to answer a post like this one, so here goes:

Tipper Gore is the wife of Al Gore, the Democratic Vice Presidential
Nominee. That's the Democratic political party, In the United States of
America. 

(all other reactions, and etc. deleted. afterall, this isnt a POLITICS 
newsgroup...although we seem to be acting kind of like one lately. and, yes, 
I realize that not all of us pay attention to politics, or television, or 
radio, or newspapers, or conversations at work, this newsgroup, home, or on 
the street.)

Peace.

!eric! 		

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From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Re:   Free Speech/Tipper Gore/Argument by Intimidation
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:27:07 GMT

It scares me to think that the Free Speech Movement on the university
campus during the 1960's and 1970's has been replaced with kind of
thinking that  ST702459@brownvm.brown.edu (Jordan Schwartz) has 
exhibited.

It is beyond my comprehension that a Brown University student
would not have a better grasp on the definition of a "right."
Of course, if he spent last semester reading rec.music.gdead
instead of his political science textbook, it's a small wonder.
The twisted use of "rights" on this forum would confuse many
otherwise intelligent readers.

Steve-TOO

"THIS MACHINE KILLS FACISTS"
From: rand@smartstar.com (Rand McKinney)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Xochi MesoAm Psychedelic God -FLAME
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:54:21 GMT
Organization: SmartStar Corp. / Signal Technolgy Inc.

The Xochi "poster" is reproduced on the back cover of the latest
Whole Earth Review.  It's pretty cool.  An explanation of the whole thing 
is provided in the issue, too.  I guess the reason it could
be apropos for SIGGRAPH is because of the computer-renderings of
psychoactive molecules along the top.
As to who LordNose is, I don't know, but I *think* he's
a "Wellbeing," and apparently is involved in psychedelic research.

ODC: "...and touching makes the flesh to cry out loud."

-Rand
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: mjung@engws8.ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Jung)
Subject: Buffalo info...
Originator: mjung@engws8.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:02:21 GMT

From: mjung@engws8.ic.sunysb.edu (Michael Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Buffalo info...
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Keywords: 

Hey, I have the pleasure(?) of shuffling off to Buffalo in two weeks for at 
least the next three years of my life.....  can anyone provide any info such
as deadhead hours on local stations, non-mainstream establishments, and
any type of alternative music places?  It would be greatly appreciated!!!

Thanks!!

Mike

mjung@ic.sunysb.edu
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From: andyrose@netcom.com (San Francisco Fractal Factory)
Subject: Re: Be aware, Be awake / aff. actn.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:46:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: rec

btdy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> Am I glad about the cause of my good fortune?  No, but that's not the point.
> The point is that I had to fight for my job, using all I could to beat out
> the competition.  Last year I gave up.  This year I didn't let a little
> discouragement get in the way.
> 
> The main point is that one shouldn't expect to get everything handed
> to him/her--because this is no longer the American way.  It should be a fair
> fight for everyone.  Sure I assumed that I would get a job handed to me
> after 4 years of top-notch education.  Affirmative Action, in an odd sense, 
> has taught me that I was wrong.  But Affirmative Action does not make the
> collegiate-to-corporate hiring process a fair fight for everyone.  Granted,
> I think it's better than nothing, but it's not the entire solution.

It has never been the American way to hand you anything on a platter. Perhaps
this was your father's way, but it is not the American way.  The American
way is to pick your self up by the bootstraps and keep your eye on the
pie in the sky and make better for your kids than yourself.

There is no such thing as a fair fight.  If there was you wouldn't be a 
12th generation American.  
Remember that information gatherers will fare better in an information

intensive society like ours.  If you know where better schools are, you
will raise your children there, etc.

There is an awful lot for forgiveness and reparations due between the colored
cultures and whites and even if highly educated, priviliged, white kids
don't get jobs, that gives them a little more time to think about all the
bullshit they and their 12 generations preceding put the poor folk 
through.  

How's the weather in ithaca?  
anr

-- 
Andrew Rose andyrose@netcom.com FAX 4155537756 When peace rules the planet
From: mrichey@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Mike Richey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Eagle vs. The East Coast
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:38:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <1992Jul21.193113.15283@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com writes:
>

>don't exist on the west coast.... get real.  I am so sick of this garbage
>attitude of west coast superirity.  New York City residents didn't loot 
>riot or burn down their city like the scum of LA.  The east coast has nothing
>to rival LA's smog.

Hold on, I believe I remember when Con Ed lost the electrical grid to
New York City a couple of times years ago. What happened then? (Chaos) I'm not
protecting the west from the east. The statement that was made seems a
bit shallow.
From: madden@dingding.mcs.anl.gov (Mr. William P. Madden)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Barlow on hackers
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:05:09 GMT
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago

As mentioned there was an article in the NYT about Barlow on hackers.
The same article was in the Chicago Tribune's business section
on Friday 24 July. Below is what was said by/about Barlow on the topic:

***********
In one highly publicized incident, during a 1989 forum on computers and 
privacy sponsored by Harper's magazine, John Perry Barlow, a freelance 
journalist and lyricist for the Grateful Dead, went head to head with Abene,
or Phiber Optik. Barlow called the young hacker a "punk."

According to an article by Barlow - an account that Abene will not confirm
or deny - Abene then retaliated by "downloading" Barlow's credit history,
displaying it on the computer screens of Barlow and other network users.

"I've been in redneck bars wearing shoulder-length curls, police custody
while on acid, and Harlem after midnight, but no one has ever put the
spook in me quite as Phiber Optik did at that moment." Barlow wrote,
"To a middle-class American, one's credit rating has become narly identical
to his freedom."
***********

Quite scary stuff. Though it is a shame they call these idiots hackers in
the media.
I wonder if John lurks :)

Wm

Bill Madden
madden@mcs.anl.gov
No icon tact
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From: Chris Stimac <stimac@erkle.csee.usf.edu>
Subject: Re: Some random questions....
Reply-To: stimac@erkle.csee.usf.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:02:58 GMT


|1)  What are the songs that the have never played in concert before??

How about "What's Become of the Baby" (Jerry)

Why did Keith go?

CRS
stimac@eggo.csee.usf.edu
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: in it for the money
Keywords: Money, Money , Money!
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:25:38 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Jul23.133915.3540@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>Well, Charlotte was $25, with no opener. As was Hampton, too. Sure, the other

	Star Lake was 22.  And weren't the Stones a whole 50 bucks last time?

	yeah, I can go see Joe Unknown and his Amazing Garage Band for a two
dollar cover...  So what?
									wr
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From: jerryme@milton.u.washington.edu (Jeffrey Seifred)
Subject: what to do in Cal from 9/1-9/12?
Keywords: What to do in Cal from 9/1-9/12?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:26:13 GMT

D  
D :
D
DNN
D :
  Now that the Squaw Valley fest is cancelled, does anybody know if JGB, Phish or any other bands are playing inside of California?
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: idfriedm@sunee.waterloo.edu (id friedman)
Subject: Re: Sisters & Brothers lyrics?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 03:26:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.202332.29313@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> s3583045@titan.ucc.umass.edu writes:
>
>Hey gang!
>
>  Anyone have the lyrics for Jer's "Sisters & Brothers" (a.k.a. Promised
>Land)?  I only have it on one tape and Jer mumbles a lot :-)  Thanks!
>
Why don't you buy the Jerry Band Live CD and support the Artist
Or is all your money going to "Wake and Bakes "

Stephen

>-jg
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From: wnwrig@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: init for the money
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:40:50 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

Someone wrote a post about the dead being in it for the money i don't
know if that is try, But i work at Riverport in St Louis MO. and they
have been trying to get the dead there for two seasons know and they 
keep refusing. Riverport is a nice facility and when they play someplace
as close as Chicago logistics of teardown and transportation are not a 
problem i see bands of that size do it all the time. So if any one 
knows why they wont play St louis i sure like to here it because they
are missing a lot of fans.













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From: Phydeaux <reb@ingres.com>
Subject: Participate in the U.S. Presidential Straw Poll!
Reply-To: reb@ingres.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 19:18:46 GMT

Hi!

I'd  like  to announce  the   first  ever  rec.music.gdead/Dead-Flames
Presidential  straw poll.  Any  net.head    who reads these groups  is
eligible to cast his vote for President  of the United States  in this
poll.  You do *not* need to be  18 years old or a  citizen of the U.S.
to participate!

The poll will be open from now through 12:00noon Pacific Daylight Time
on 7/30/92.

To cast your ballot, send mail to reb@ingres.com  with the word 'vote'
and the name  of the  candidate you wish  to vote  for  in the subject
line.  You need not include any other text in your message, it will be
ignored.

Rules:
- Only  one vote  per  person will   be  allowed.  
- You will  not receive confirmation that your vote has been received.  
- Messages without the word 'vote' in the subject  line  will  not  be 
  counted.

Here is an example of what a ballot would look like:

		To: reb@ingres.com
		Subject: Vote <candidate>

As a reminder, the following are some of  the major candidates who are
either running now or were at one time  thinking  about running.  Pick
one of them, or one of your own!  (They are listed alphabetically, by
candidate name.)

		Party	     Candidate
		-----------  ---------
                Democrat:    Brown
		Republican:  Bush
		Democrat:    Clinton
		Libertarian: Marrou
		Independent: Perot
                Other:       <your choice>

Please note that the results will be disclosed ONLY  as a final tally.
Individual votes will not be disclosed.

Remember, voting will end on 7/30/92!
					reb

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