From: barry@citr.uq.oz.au (Barry Kitson)
Subject: Re: have you heard of...
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:03:22 GMT

rakoczynskij@gtephx.UUCP (Jurek Rakoczynski) writes:

>I have been on both sides on Police training; learning and teaching.
>It is misleading if you think that you need to learn a martial art. 
>The training *should* be focused on effectively learning selected
>techniques.  Especially since training is of a limited period, and
>may be rarely refreshed.

	If you have time, there are a few people (well, at least one :^)
who would be REALLY interested in discussing techniques in rec.m-a.
Would you like to pick one or two of those taught an describe them?

>In a learning mode, I learned techniques not usually taught in MA's. 
>For example, how do you remove someone from a car whose hands are
>locked on the wheel and they refuse to move.  Try it at home!  It's
>not as easy as you would think.

	People who insist on driving on the right-hand side of
the road will have to translate all of the below from right to left
and left to right :^)  Serves you right (or is that left?) for being
so silly :^)

	First guess:  Shove fingers up the driver's nostrils while
keeping the elbow (of the same arm --- right arm for right-hand-drive
cars) low to block backfists/whatever from the driver's hands.  Guide
the driver out by the snoz.

	Second guess:  Grab the driver's belt (or the top of his/her
pants if it's strong enough) with the right hand (for a right-hand drive
car) while keeping your left high near the door frame.  Use your left 
arm to block if you have to, and if the driver just holds the wheel
yank him/her out backside first.

	Third guess:  Push up on the driver's right elbow with your
right hand (to break his/her right hand's grip on the wheel) while
pulling the head out of the car with your left (using the collar,
neck, earlobe, hair etc.).  Since the driver's left hand might still 
be gripping the wheel, you might have to step back slightly and
reach over his/her head with your right hand to force the head
down and further out of the car.  Try to make the driver fall out
sideways and slightly backwards to get as much leverage as possible.

	Fourth guess:  Reach across the driver (beware of headbuts
and hands that leave the wheel :^) an grab the little finger of the
left (STILL a right-hand-driver car :^) hand.  Twist the hand over to
pull it off the wheel (pull the finger towards you) and grab the 
hand with your left while changing grips with your right in order to
force the driver's hand into a wrist lock.  The driver's hand (the
one you're holding) should have the fingers pointing down while you
pull (starting to force the fingers back) along the line of the arm.
If there is any trouble during the start of all this (while pulling the
left hand off the wheel) then your elbow should be in a good position to
hit the face or side of the head (or both... in quick "concussion" %+().

	Fifth guess:  Kick to break the floating ribs and make the
driver more co-operative.  Hell, if you're a police officer why not just
shoot them? :^)

	Sixth guess:  Assuming that you have removed the only keys to
the ignition, starve them out :^)

>If there is some interest in (my opinion) on the subject, I'll
>follow-up as time allows.

	Please do,

		Barry.


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