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From: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Sohban Shahid)
Subject: Re: GOD SAVE PAKISTAN FROM BHUTTO FAMILY!!!
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:09:16 GMT
Reply-To: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
Organization: Colorado State U. Civil Engineering

In article <1992Nov21.162429.6507@gw.wmich.edu>, x91abdullah1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
|> 
|> Dear Brothers,
|> 
|>       I felt very bad when I saw Report on CNN covering protest of Opposition 
|> under the Leader ship of Benazir. Some American student were laughing on 
|> the report shown by CNN.I think all blame goes to Buhtto famliy not PPP 
|> becuse every person of Buhtto family ,not only crupt but they always actively
|>  involve in destroying pakistan and its integratiy.Her father divided Pakistan
|>  in two part,Her brother is well known terrorist always active in destroying
|> Pakistan's Interest all over the world,and she siting in pakistan trying
|> to complete her father's  and brother's plans (which I hope will end in
|> distruction of Buhtto family not Pakistan Inshallah).
|>        I hope God will save Pakistan from shadow of Buhtto famliy.      
|> 

Zubair, your posting has lot to do with the negative projection of 
Pakistan and the people of Pakistan.  But, remember that what people
see here is you and other Pakistanis.  Try to leave a good impression 
on them rather blaming your ignorant brothers and sisters back home.

I vaguely remember one of Munir Niazi's peom that has something very
appealing and with my poor recollection it is as:

         kissi ko yaad rakhna ho
         kissi ko bhool jaana ho
         ussay awaaz dainee ho
         ussay wapas bullana ho
            hamishah dair karr daitta houN maiN
         kissi ko mooat sai paihlay
         kissi ko ghum sai bachana ho
         haqeequt aur thee kuch
         yai kabhi uss ko batana ho
            hamishah dair karr daitta houN maiN
--
If you can change something then do it otherwise forget it
*********************************************************************

SOHBAN SHAHID                
Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: Attaching Ego to False Status
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:03:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.175253.731@hls.com> silatman@hls.com went on about...
>       1. The college education offered today fits
>          mainly a corporate environment, outside of which
>          it becomes useless most of the time.

I would disagree with this.  It is true that the large amount of business
administration, accounting, finance, etc. degrees do work mainly in the
corporate environment.  What about philosophy majors, however?  How
about medical students or science students?  What about those of us who
go to college for a diverse education?  I don't think a college education,
or any type of education can really be dismissed in this fashion.

Yasmin

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Islam main girlfriend/boyfriend ka muqaam
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:09:42 GMT


	I am a little confused about something in this discussion,
	well laid out though the previous post was.  Is there, in
	Islamic society in general, or in Arab culture(s) in particular,
	a specific legal or ceremonial step that takes a couple from
	being unmarried to being married?  From the previous post, and
	some other information, I am led to believe that marriage is
	acknowledged by the families but not by any other secular
	or religious authority.  Is this the case?  What has
	happened in Iraq, where I understand that there has been a
	deliberate effort to weaken the Islamic basis of the society?
	Do they, for example, have an equivalent of a secular marriage
	before a judge or justice of the peace?

	Alec Chambers.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.islam.ahmaddiyya
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 19:17:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.114601.16086@newstand.syr.edu> azia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Ahsan  Zia) went on about...
>It is my kind request to all my Pakistani Brothers to stop this kind 
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of fool things. Let's take it in this way that the other people reading this 
>news group, what they will be thinking about us? I do not have to say any 
>thing more but let us awake and be united!.

What about your Pakistani Sisters?  Or do you not address us women on the net?

>Regards to all.

Even the women?

Khudahafiz

Yasmin



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From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:00:30 GMT


>> In article <1e9kpbINNm5v@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.ed
u (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
>But even casting that aside, let us look at Prophet Muhammed's (pbuh)
>last sermon which he gave on the ninth day of Dhul Hijjah, 10 A.H. in
>the Uranah valley of Mount Arafat:
>
>   O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH
>   WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my
>   words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QUR'AN
>   and my example, the SUNNAH, and if you follow these you will never go
>   astray.
>

Is n't Mohammed proved wrong here?  "- No new faith will be
born .". Huun... May be Mr Mohammed had no idea about Sikhism, Bahaism 
and Kabir Panthis - all started after Mohammed's above declaration. I am 
quite sure that there would be many other minor faiths, all started after 
his above (pompous) declaration. Seems like Mr GOD was playing a joke 
on Mr Mohammed or someone is misquoting GOD/Mohammed.

bkumar
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:17096 soc.culture.indian:37981
From: gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Nationalism....
Date: 23 Nov 1992 17:08:02 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuron.tamu.edu
Keywords: pakistani flag hoisting in India

Naveed,

While international integration may be an ideal goal that may be
hoped to be achieved in the future, flag hoisting of another 
country does not serve that purpose. It's a downright anti-national 
act that seeks to break up a countries boundaries not for the 
purpose of merging international boundaries but to carve out new 
ones out of the old one. One cannot ignore such incidents as being 
of no consequence since flag-hoisting, though a trivial action in
itself, is indicative of a much more significant factor i.e., in 
the mean time while international integration has not been achieved,
would a person help out his country when in need ? I know that many 
of us would like to see it as not "U Pakistani, Me Indian" but as 
both of us belonging to the human race. But while the differences 
exist, can we allow them to be destructive to our own identity ? 
Given the long standing animosity between our two countries, 
flag-hoisting of the other country can only be construed as a 
destructive attempt. Now, if those persons had hoisted the flag 
of say Finland or Maldives, then I am sure it would have been seen
from a different angle. 

regards,
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From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Was Bhutto an elected Prime Minister ? No Way !!!!
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:27:45 GMT

imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (IBRAHIM  MUSTAFA ) writes:
>bullshit journal like Yahya khan he unlawfully took the prime
          ^^^^^^^

>ministership and the consequent loss of East Pakistan. 

>What you guys think ?

I think that should be General! Regards! - ganesh
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Paki BASTARDS
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:23:21 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Albany

In article <SHAH.92Nov17095547@orange.tutee.tut.ac.jp> shah@orange.tutee.tut.ac.jp (Q. H. Shah) went on about...
>Dear Pakistani Brothers and Sisters
>
>Please ignore replying to this Willnecker. Just avoid him. He seems to be
>representative of American thought like Reagon used to use dirty language
>against Palestinians. Actually this is what the americans are. We do not
>have to worry about them. Most of them are Kafir and will go to hell. They
>do not listen. So let them go to hell. We should not use a language like
>americans. 

Mr. Willnecker left his account logged in by accident.  He posted an apology
when he found out about the offensive post.  The matter was settled a few
days ago.

We do not have the right to decide who is or is not going to Hell.  In
addition, we do not have the right to make generalizations about all 
Americans, if we protest against the same being done about Pakistanis.
Frankly, I consider myself an American, and I resent this 'let them
all go to hell' attitude.  If you don't like reading offensive, racist
posts against Pakistanis, don't post them against Americans.

Yasmin
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Benazir Bhutto
From: axavub@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 21 Nov 92 20:07:27 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

In article <1992Nov21.225958.9725@news.columbia.edu>, aa102@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Amer  Ahmad) writes:
> Listen fellow Pakistanis...all of you who think that Pakistan would be better off under Martial Law, think again.  Although I think Benazir may not be the best person for the job, and although I have tremendous hatred for Nawaz Sharif...they are both better for Pakistan (and Democracy) in the long run.  And for those of you who think that Benazir and the Bhutto's are better off dead...you all should really be ashamed of yourself for posting such trash.  We are the representatives of Pakistan in the West 



a
n> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> d by saying such unintelligent and cruel things like Benazir should be hanged "like her father" you make a negative impression...you all should really get a grip on your emotions.
> 
> Amer Ahmad
> 
>  
> 



        Mr. Ahmad, try to be a little sensible, any body who organizes
        these kinds of demonstrations has the right to be stopped and punished.


                For example if your beloved Benazir was in power, and the
opposition tried something like this, they were supposed to be stopped in the
same manner. We all know the state of our politician, and what they have
defined democracy into. 

        On top of every thing, PPP has always been the cause of agitational
politics in Pakistan, and it is better for the development of the country that
Ms. Bhutto and her PPP should be demolished, we have already sufferd alot from
her father's rule and also her devastating tenure.



        And please don't get me wrong, I am not an IJI man or a Nawaz Shareef
fan, but I do believe that amongst all the worse kind of politicians we have
Benazir and Co. are the Worst of all.......


        ANd please also don't respond in the traditional "TAKHREEBKAR" manner
of people's party and start attacking the evry body else but not BB.....





                                Ali Ayub


>
From: 911masibi@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: ALTAF HUSSEIN GARBAGE CAN!!!!!(REMOVED FROM PAKISTAN)
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:25:44 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

hello..muhajirs....

Well where the hell is Altaf Hussein ...that grabge dump who was spilling
garbage all over Karachi.....
 I hope he spilling garbage in England. I thanks to miltary for cleanig
 this shit from Pakistan. he needs to be hanged..as soon as he lands in
Karachi...... He is worst enemy of Islam and Pakistan..trying to divide a
nation into different parts....I believe his destination is HELL FIRE after 
he dies..unless he asks ALLAH for forgiveness......NAWAZ SHARIFF and MILITARY
ZINDABAD....for doing the jobs.....JOB WELL DONE......BY THE GOVERRNMENT...


NARAY HARAM TOOP ALTAF HUSSEIN MURDA BAD.AND HIS TATTAS.......
NARAY HAQ NAWAZ SHARIFF AND MILITARY...

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD..........
From: 92ali@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: GOD SAVE PAKISTAN FROM BHUTTO FAMILY!!!
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:47:14 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Nov21.162429.6507@gw.wmich.edu>, x91abdullah1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> 
> Dear Brothers,
> 
>       I felt very bad when I saw Report on CNN covering protest of Opposition 
> under the Leader ship of Benazir. Some American student were laughing on 
> the report shown by CNN.I think all blame goes to Buhtto famliy not PPP 
> becuse every person of Buhtto family ,not only crupt but they always actively
>  involve in destroying pakistan and its integratiy.Her father divided Pakistan
>  in two part,Her brother is well known terrorist always active in destroying
> Pakistan's Interest all over the world,and she siting in pakistan trying
> to complete her father's  and brother's plans (which I hope will end in
> distruction of Buhtto family not Pakistan Inshallah).
>        I hope God will save Pakistan from shadow of Buhtto famliy.      
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Zubair

Zubair....
     A well played shot I think you just hit a six by saying this...we should
 get rid of this family as you know they are traitors and if you go to there
family history..you will find out that her grand father is also a traitor..


THE BEST WAY TO GET RID OF THEM IS TO TROUGH THEM IN DEAD SEA....

AHMED.....
>  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan)
Subject: Islam main girlfriend/boyfriend ka muqaam
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 05:41:44 GMT


Assalam-o-alaikum;
	I have a question regarding boyfriend/girlfriend relationships
in Islam. Is there a similar concept in Islam. How are the marriages
arranged in Islam.

In the western culture, the basis for the concepts of boy/girl friends 
is that the two people who are in this relationship will be
living their lives together. So naturally they should be the ones making 
the decisions about their partners in life. An informed decision based on 
the personality of the other person and not just on a photograph or 
outward appearance or family background . Is this kind of relationship
not possible in Islam.

Please send all the e-mail responses and flames to Rafay and
Tanwir at tanwir@hpctlg.corp.hp.com.

						Farrukh Shah Khan
						Minister for Religious
						and Romantic Affairs
						ADP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: Is Benazir Muslim ? No Way !!!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:50:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.012558.37866@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes...
>In article <cf3zdWu00WBO434bho@andrew.cmu.edu> ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Asad Iqbal) writes:
>>Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.pakistan: 22-Nov-92 Is Benazir Muslim
>>?  No Way.. by MUSTAFA IBRAHIM @slate.m 
>>>  
>>>        I remember, when I was in Pakistan, I saw a statement 
>>>         from that time Prime Minister of Pakistan , the 
>>> champion of democracy , benazir bhutto . She said , " I dont
>>> believe that the witness of a man is equal to the witness of 
>>> two women. This is Grabage."
>>>  
>>> So if she doesnot believe in Quran , how come is she muslim ?
>>> No way. If somebody believes it, then he/she lives in fools
>>> paradise. 
>>>  
>>> What you guys think ?
>>That's a very sensitive issue.
>>I'm sure a lot opf people on the net would tend to agree with her
>>atleast I do and I believe not everything that worked 1400 years ago can
>>work in these times. Whatever the case I would not call her a non-muslim
>>just for that...there's alot of stuff we do that is worse but we still
>>go pray every Friday afternoon.
>>
>>Asad
> 
> Nonsense buddy if things 1400 years ago cannot work today then
>why dont you change the Quran ? Bring a new Quran according 
>to this new age , modernazed version !!
> 
>Then your friday afternoon prayer return to you .
>You should also change this firday afternoon prayer since it is 
>1400 year old. Add some pop music or if you like add some 
>disco dance in the Friday prayer !!

	There are lot of things written in Quran and in general they 
	do not work [ How you will have a "ROZA" on the poles if you 
	follow Quran or on a planet where sun does not rise?].
 	Women witness is just another example.
	
	There is another way to look at the problem and findout
	how many socities there ever existed which can be called
	islamic societies during the last 1500 years?

	[People discovered it long ago that they are not going to
	 make any good just by following Quran and those who
	 understood that did a good job.. What whould you say
	 of BAGHDAD during Mamoon and Haroon Rashid?  was that
	 a Quranic culture?. What do you feel of the most popular
	 and powerfull king in india AKBAR, he almost ended up
	 with his own religion...]

	There are a lot of similarities in the DARK AGES of europe
	and present state of muslims, and lot to learn.
	[we are about 500 years off]

	One last point look at the muslims of our time. If they
	are muslims then why they are in such a misrable
	state? Why their God does not help them?. If they are
	not muslims then what is the point in sticking to ideas
	which can not be put into practice?

Mirza Ilyas
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: Is Benazir Muslim ? No Way !!!
Summary: GOI is the only judge in case of muslims
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:40:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.224657.8896@njitgw.njit.edu>, fxm4993@hertz.njit.edu (Farhan Muhammad) writes:
> In article <cf3zdWu00WBO434bho@andrew.cmu.edu> ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Asad Iqbal) writes:
> >Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.pakistan: 22-Nov-92 Is Benazir Muslim
> >?  No Way.. by MUSTAFA IBRAHIM @slate.m 
> >>  
> >>        I remember, when I was in Pakistan, I saw a statement 
> >>         from that time Prime Minister of Pakistan , the 
> >> champion of democracy , benazir bhutto . She said , " I dont
> >> believe that the witness of a man is equal to the witness of 
> >> two women. This is Grabage."
> >>  
> >> So if she doesnot believe in Quran , how come is she muslim ?
> >> No way. If somebody believes it, then he/she lives in fools
> >> paradise. 
> >>  
> >> What you guys think ?
> >That's a very sensitive issue.
> >I'm sure a lot opf people on the net would tend to agree with her
> >atleast I do and I believe not everything that worked 1400 years ago can
> >work in these times. Whatever the case I would not call her a non-muslim
> >just for that...there's alot of stuff we do that is worse but we still
> >go pray every Friday afternoon.
> >
> >Asad
> 
> 
> 	Praying every Friday afternoon doesnot make you muslim....
> 
> 	you have to beleif and trust every single aspect of islam..
> 
> 
> 			Farhan.

Farhan and Asad Shahibs:

GOI is the only judge. Muslims should get out of the bussiness
of judging other muslims and non-muslims. If Benazir is Muslim or not
GOI will decide that.

Personally, I think everybody is a muslim/christian/bhuddist/etc
and they only differ in degrees. Their gods will decide the degree 
of their faith. 

For atheists, the problem might have been interesting, since there is no GOA.
But then they dont have this silly problem of judging others also.

regards,

-Naveed

PS: Personally, I consider all humans as equal and consider the
the Islamic rule (of two female witnesses equal to one male witness) very cruel.
Unfortunately, my sisters and mother have to live under such rules.
Notice, I am judging Islam itself and not any of its followers.
From: saxena@smsun9.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.india,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: GC and company name change - info/help needed urgently !!!!
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:43:02 GMT
Reply-To: saxena@smsun9.crd.ge.com ()
Organization: General Electric Corp. R&D, Schenectady, NY


Green Card and Company name change 
----------------------------------

Dear fellow netters :

    Recently my company has been completely bought over by 
    another company as "successor" company. My PR process is
    still underway with my original company.

    I would appreciate if any of you out there has been in
    a such a situation before, be able answer the following
    questions.

     a) How does INS see it when I go for the GC interview 
        with (hopefully) a letter of employement from the
        new company letter head.

     b) Do I have to get a new H1B or do something to notify 
        INS.

    Please send your reply to 
                e-mail : sarathy@crd.ge.com

    Your input will be very much appreciated


                                        ParthaSarathy
                                        Off: (518)387-7708
                                        Res: (518)370-8634
From: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Subject: Re: Meaning of this shayary
Reply-To: ahmedss@ntmtv.UUCP (Syed Ahmed)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:38:23 GMT

Its not "nazuki" my friend its Naza-ki Ref:
>        Kya nazaki taklifown mein maza

which says (an attempted translation):
......... There is no 'bliss' in the pains of death...

and so "naza" is the state that you are in while you are dying.


From god we come , and to Him we shall return.

Syed Ahmed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan