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From: gb@cup.portal.com (Greg A Buechler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: STRATEGY: Playing a 'pusher' ...
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:05:11 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

I'd like to add...

Move in about three feet over what you normaly play against a power player.  

I'm going to assume (since I do the same) that you are probably frustrated by
your hitting the balls into the net or blasting them beyond the base line.

I've found out (and mostly too late) that I don't move in enough on the slowe
r paced shots.  By moving up, and hitting the ball earlier, you can dictate
where your shot is.  

I'll also agree to use the angles more, make them move and you take away 
their ability to set-up for the next hit.  

gb
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From: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin)
Subject: Re: STRATEGY: Playing a 'pusher' ...
Reply-To: clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:31:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.183840.14753@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, vinlai@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (vincent.lai) writes:
> I have noticed that a lot of my opponents don't put much pace on their
> shots (hence, pushers).  I'm a little confused as to how to play
> against such people.  Harold Solomon's moon balls come to mind very
> quickly here, and he did very well with this strategy.  There are
> solutions that come to mind, but none I would be comfortable with:
> 
> One:
> 
> Slam the ball home, and have my opponent wear me out by the beginning
> of the second set.
> 
> Two:
> 
> Push back, and forget what I've learned at tennis camp.
> 

   Pushers are always going to give people a hard time.  The
problem is that they are able to get some of the hard shots
back, and often have the consistency to wait til you make
a mistake.  It's often hard to outpush a pusher, unless you
too are consistent.

   I suppose one way out of it (assuming your overhead and
reach is good), is to approach as much as you can, and
try to cut off the points early.   Also, you might mix it up
by drop shotting and approaching.   Also, you might
try to get in better shape so that you can keep up the
strategy in one over more sets.

--
Charles Lin
clin@eng.umd.edu
From: palmer@uvmark.uucp (Filaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: How many touring pros are using wide body racquets?
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:21:56 GMT
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In article <oprwarx.714023193@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> oprwarx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Walter A. Rich) writes:
>Alright I've seen the hype.
>
>Now, How many Pro's are really using wide bodies? And winning?

Martina Navratilova, Monica Seles, Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario and Jennifer
Capriati are the only women using widebodies and winning. Then again,
they would be winning without them. Michael Stich is probably the only
top male using a widebody and a thin one at that.
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From: m14430@mwunix.mitre.org (Lawrence Larson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: Widebodies
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:41:46 GMT
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Organization: The MITRE Corporation

clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin) writes:

>   I suppose by mkaing widebodies, you get more stability,
>thought I'm not sure why this seems to give you more
>power.   I can understand why it might provide less twist
>and even why it is stiffer,  but the power aspect seems
>to baffle me a little.  They do hit a bit harder, though
>not necessarily without giving up a little control.

For a good discussion of the interaction between stiffer frames and 
various strings, read the evaluation of tennis racquets in the current
Consumer Reports magazine.

-- Larry
From: adolce@bbn.com (Anne Dolce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Weekend Results
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:21:17 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
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Los Angeles, CA
---------------
   Navratilova(2) d. Seles(1) 6-4, 6-2
   Sanchez-Vicario/Sukova(1) d. Garrison/Shriver(2)  6-4, 6-2


Mason, Ohio
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   Sampras(3) d. Lendl(8)  6-3, 3-6, 6-3
   Woodbridge/Woodforde(2) d. Pat McEnroe/Stark  6-3, 1-6, 6-3


Prague, Czech.
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   Novacek d. Davin



Other News
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  * Martina's win this weekend was her 160th career singles
    title and will move her up to #3 in the computer rankings
    ahead of Gabriela Sabatini.

  * The women are playing this week in Montreal (Canadian Open)
    where I think the top 2 seeds are Seles and Graf (I'm going!!)

  * The men are playing this week in New Haven, CT.  The field
    includes Korda (defending champ), John McEnroe, Edberg, Chang, 
    and Lendl.  Agassi has withdrawn from the tournament because 
    of a throat infection.

Anne
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From: dla@westford.ccur.com (Dave Anderson)
Subject: Gold, Silver, Bronze/2...
Reply-To: dla@westford.ccur.com (Dave Anderson)
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. Westford MA.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:24:50 GMT


  I'm curious as to how Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario managed to get a bronze
  medal in Barcelona.  Didn't she lose her last two matches?  Or was
  it determined in advance that there would be two bronze medals given
  no matter what?  Or perhaps medal was issued in deference to Spain 
  being the host country? 

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From: yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au (Michael Hanslip)
Subject: Re: Question for experienced stringers!!
Keywords: Stringing, help
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 17 Aug 92 03:30:59 GMT

palmer@uvmark.uucp (Filaman) writes:

>In article <yogi.713967595@coombs> yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au (Michael Hanslip) writes:
>>Help!!!!
>>I just got through strining a friend's fairly old Prince Volley 110
>>with Prince Endurance at what my stringing machine says is 70 lbs. The problem
>>is the minute cracks that appeared in the sidewalls of the frame in 
>>the process. I know from experience that my results are tighter than 
>>other people's at the same #. So is it my fault or was the racquet just old?
>>BTW, the racquet says 55-70 lbs. on it, and a couple weeks ago I did a 
>>Dunlop at 70 as well that I suspect would be about 50-60 lbs recommended.
>>No problems there and the racquet is great to play with now.
>>What to tell my friend???? I don't know him that well, we just play tennis
>>occasionally. AAaaarrggh!
>>Michael Hanslip.

>It's possible that the frame is just old. It's also possible that you
>didn't mount the frame properly or that your machine doesn't have the
>right adaptor to accomodate that frame. What type of a machine do you
>have? Why do you feel that you or your machine strings tighter than 
>others?
I have  a AG Guterman table top with 6 point mounting-i.e. it holds the ends
of the racquet with threaded posts and has 4 side posts that prevent the 
frame from spreading. I always tighten the end posts to stretch the frame
slightely length wise and then tighten the outer posts to the edge of the 
frame and just a bit more to push gently on the frame perimeter.
I feel that it strings tighter than 'normal' because when I was playing
badminton over winter, my racquets (set at 17-19 lbs each time) seemed as
tight as other people's done at 21-23. When I did a racquet a few weeks ago
at 70, he commented that it seemed really tight when I handed it back.
With a drop weight system like I've got, I don't know how it could be too
far off normal, but maybe it is time to buy a tension calibrator, huh?

BTW, I tried to EMail this to you direct, oh FILAMAN, and got it back from
the network as undeliverable....so must resort to posted replies to r.s.t
I guess.

Michael Hanslip.
From: graham@maths.su.oz.au (Graham Matthews)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Re: volley tips
Keywords: HONK
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:56:38 GMT
Organization: School of Mathematics and Statistics, University of Sydney

(Jimmy Connors) writes:
>c) If you are close to the net and the ball comes over low keep the racket
> head above your wrist and bend your knees (although Mac probably
>doesn't do alot of what I said :-) ).

Actually I find one of the best ways to volley a low ball close to the
net is with the racquet head below the wrist, the arm pointed kind of
straight down and then hit the ball through (toward the net) and up.
On the back-hand side hit it like an off-drive in cricket.

graham
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From: gess@knex.Gwinnett.COM
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: WTA Women's Money Leaders: August 16th
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:51:25 GMT

WOMEN'S TENNIS LEADING MONEY WINNERS 
      (THROUGH AUGUST 16TH)
 1. Monica Seles          $1,188,352
 2. Steffi Graf           $1,003,026
 3. Gabriela Sabatini       $753,365
 4. Arantxa Sanchez         $706,255
 5. Natalia Zvereva         $392,969
 6. Martina Navratilova     $367,833
 7. Mary Joe Fernandez      $334,470
 8. Conchita Martinez       $303,843
 9. Jana Novotna            $281,584
10. Larisa Savchenko        $277,727
 
 
GeSS
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From: lemopr@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: GETTING READY FOR U.S OPEN ***
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:41:14 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

my daughter is one of the top players participating in the challenge cup at
polo club in boca raton fla.( aug, 17-24.) everyday i watched stephie graf
drills with this german guy from 9-11a then 2-4pm. she looks ready for the
us open. i guess most of the pros are doing a lot of training for the next
big event.

 
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From: AS.TLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Timothy Kaufman)
Subject: Re: How many touring pros are using wide body racquets?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:34:03 GMT

palmer@uvmark.uucp (Filaman) writes:
>In article <oprwarx.714023193@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> oprwarx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Walter A. Rich) writes:
>>Alright I've seen the hype.
>>
>>Now, How many Pro's are really using wide bodies? And winning?
>
>Martina Navratilova, Monica Seles, Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario and Jennifer
>Capriati are the only women using widebodies and winning. Then again,
>they would be winning without them. Michael Stich is probably the only
>top male using a widebody and a thin one at that.


So why the running controversy about power rackets ruining tennis?
Or is that more the oversize than the widebody dimension?


-Timmer
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From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: The right gripsize
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:47:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.183857.2670@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, fernande@cps.msu.edu (Jose Roberto Fernandez) writes:
|> Is there an easy way to figure out what one's ideal gripsize is (by
|> measuring the hand directly, say)?  Just holding the rackets in the
|> store doesn't seem to help.

There is not "ideal gripsize".  Only what you prefer.  When I used to work in a
pro shop and people did not have any idea what grip size they wanted, and they
couldn't really say what was comfortable, we used to tell them that there should
be about a finger width of space between the finger tips and the base of the
palm when you hold the racket. There is nothing magic about that measure, but
the customers thought we sounded like we knew what we were talking about.  The
real answer is try 3, 4, and 5 and see what you like.
Tom
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From: clc5q@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman)
Subject: Open Era Titles: Top 7 Players
Originator: clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:15:30 GMT


The current top 7 players of the open era in terms of titles won:

Connors     109
Lendl        91
McEnroe      77
Borg         62
Vilas        61
Nastase      57
Laver        47

Just to get an idea of the flow of their careers, here is a yearly chart of
the number of titles each won in each year: (grand slam events in parentheses)
(asterisk * indicates one of the titles was the year ending Masters tournament)

Year   Laver   Nastase   Connors   Vilas   Borg   McEnroe  Lendl
----   -----   -------   -------   -----   ----   -------  -----
1968    1 (1)
1969   10 (4)
1970   12       2
1971    5       7*
1972    5      12*(1)     6
1973    5      15*(1)    11         1
1974    5       6        15 (3)     7*      7 (1)
1975    4       5*        9         5       5 (1)
1976            6        12 (1)     6       6 (1)
1977            2         8*       15 (2)  10 (1)
1978            2        10 (1)     7 (1)   9 (2)   5*
1979                      8         4 (1)  13*(2)  10 (1)
1980                      6         3       9*(2)   9 (1)   7
1981                      4         3       3 (1)  10 (2)  10*
1982                      7 (2)     7               5      15*
1983                      4 (1)     3               7*(1)   7
1984                      5                        13*(2)   3 (1)
1985                                                8      11*(1)
1986                                                3       9*(2)
1987                                                        8*(2)
1988                      2                         2       3
1989                      2                         3      10 (1)
1990                                                1       5 (1)
1991                                                1       3
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Subject: Channel hopping...
From: pmbarlow@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Dan Fielding)
Date: 15 Aug 92 16:32:16 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

Now I've seen it all...

This morning, (Saturday) there was an short piece about Team Tennis on the WBF
show "Body Stars."  (I only came across it while flipping through channels.) 
The piece was mostly about how the players enjoyed it and how it was different
from tournament tennis... and the focus of the piece was on Jimmy Connors'
team, the Los Angeles Strings.  Jimmy and Billie Jean King, as well as two
players for L.A., did on-camera interviews for the segment.

In short, if you missed it, you didn't miss much.


Just telling it like I saw it...

Dan Fielding.


(BTW... "WBF" is the now defunct World Body-building Federation, an unfortunate
creation of World Wrestling Federation mogul Vince McMahon, Jr.  What exactly
Team Tennis was doing on that show is anybody's guess.)

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From: m14430@mwunix.mitre.org (Lawrence Larson)
Subject: Re: Opinions on tension
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:34:40 GMT

clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:

>they think about tension.  I think conventional wisdom
>is that with lower tension comes more power (and possibly
>better feel) and a larger sweetspot.  With higher tension,
>you get more control, and a smaller sweetspot.

The consensus has been as you state - except that I would think that
sweetspot would be larger at higher tensions.

>He couldn't understand how Borg could play with those racquets.
>They felt like boards, and the balls supposedly flew when
>he hit it.

Felt like boards, yes - but the ball shouldn't have flown anywhere. What's
usually described as "flying" is the trampoline effect that's more pronounced
at low tensions.

>...Borg claimed that he was able to get better
>spin with the higher tensions.   I am wondering whether the

Recent discussions and magazine articles have come to the conclusion that
higher tensions result in the strings biting more deeply into the ball
and thus imparting more spin.

I'm one of those who has always played with tension above the manufactyrers'
recommended ranges (on Wilson Kramer Pro Staffs, PDP Fiberstaff/graphs, Donnay
Allwoods, Donnay Formula Pros, Slazenger Vilas Pro Midsize, and now on Yonnex
RQ-380s). I like the control of a stiff racquet, and find that I get much
better feel for touch shots with the higher tensions. When I try lower tension,
and I have, the same racquets feel like I remember the T-2000 - like one big
spring, and I lose all control and feel, and start spraying shots long. One 
factor that may apply here is that I'm also 6'3", 200 lbs, and play an all-
court game; I've never noted any power shortage or wanted any more power than
I could provide with the higher tensions. Maybe smaller players might have
additional reasons for wanting more racquet efficiency. Also, lighter gauge
strings impart more spin, but break more often. So, who knows?

-- Larry

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From: hari@robios.me.wisc.edu (Kambainathan Hari)
Subject: Re: Any recommendation of racquet for the beginners?
Organization: U. Wisconsin-Madison, Robotics Laboratory
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:58:36
In-reply-to: kl@isr.harvard.edu's message of 19 Aug 92 18:54:24 GMT

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From: yogi@coombs.anu.edu.au (Michael Hanslip)
Subject: Re: How many touring pros are using wide body racquets?
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date: 17 Aug 92 07:37:09 GMT

oprwarx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Walter A. Rich) writes:

>Alright I've seen the hype.

>Now, How many Pro's are really using wide bodies? And winning?
Well Monica Seles and Pat Cash both use RQ380's. They are widebodies.
She wins.!. Cannot actually think of anyone else. Capriati's Prince
is a mild widebody at 26 mm. (A midbody??) 
Michael Hanslip.
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From: ac1@cec2.wustl.edu (Anuj Chandra)
Subject: USA Tennis Players and the Olympic Village
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:44:47 GMT

The latest issue of Sports Illustrated had an article on Courier's
Stay at the Olympic Village. Apparently, while all the American 
tennis  players (Men & women) wimped out and checked out early into $400 hotel
suites, Courier decided to sample the Olympic spirit. Well 2 days 
before his upset match he decided that he too had had enough and so 
checked out to a hotel.

The point of my article is that US tennis players and other wealthy sport-
stars from the US are wimps, are spoiled and have no respect for the
"Olympic Spirit". They considers themselves elite. Take the example
of Edberg, becker, Graf, Ivanesaveic (sp ?) and other non American tennis 
players. They ALL stayed at the village. To them the olympics meant
alot more: essentially, to share 2 weeks with the best athletes from
all overthe world, and  not laze around in a hotel.

US proathletes(which includes tennis players) are rich and spoiled and 
the Olympic spirit means very little to them. Consequently
proatheletes should be banned from the Olympics, as was the case 
sometime ago.

ANUJ CHANDRA

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From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: Weekend Results
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:51:57 GMT

In article <l8v6dtINN5jq@news.bbn.com> adolce@bbn.com (Anne Dolce) writes:
>
>Los Angeles, CA
>   Navratilova(2) d. Seles(1) 6-4, 6-2

Martina played an excellent match. In particular, she served very well.
This was probably her best match since beating Graf at the US Open
semi last year. On the other hand, Seles was off and made lots of
unforced errors (~30). The NY Times reports that she had a slightly
sprained ankle.

>Mason, Ohio
>   Sampras(3) d. Lendl(8)  6-3, 3-6, 6-3

Sampras was in very good form and had some luck last week.
In an earlier round, he was down match point against Woodbridge(??)
in the second-set tie-break. Woodbridge had an volley into
the open court. Sampras thought that he was losing the match
and moved towards the net to shake hands. The volley went just out.
Sampras came back to win the tie break and the decisive third set.

In the semi, Sampras beat Edberg easily 6-2, 6-4. Edberg was
in very poor form and double faulted several times in key points.
Both Lendl and Sampras played very well in the final. They also
aced each other about ten times a piece. Lendl is clearly making
a comeback after a disappointing first half of 1992. Towards
the end of the match, Lendl "rushed" a little and made a few
unforced errors, and that made the difference.
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From: zeke@meadow.uucp (Samuel Lee)
Subject: Re: Strings
Reply-To: zeke@meadow.UUCP (Samuel Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Canada Ltd., Software Development Center
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:20:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug9.005856.27237@src.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin) writes:
>    For example, a useful article might be to answer why
>thinner gauges play better.  It is the amount of
>stretch that players are preferring or what.  I.e., what
>tangible effect does thinner strings have that make
>them play better, and in what way?  Do they feel better,
>spin better?  Can the average player tell the difference?
>Is there a significant difference between plain nylon and
>synthetic gut and what it it? 

My understanding of strings has always been that the thinner the better.
Although thinner strings such as synthetic gut are not as durable as
the thicker nylon strings, the former is more playable as the thinner
gauge allows more "bite" on the ball when strung to a higher tension,
resulting in more spin to be placed on the ball.  A cheap nylon string
such as Leoina 66 is thick, tough and durable, but it will not allow you
to feel the ball as well as a thinner string.  I've played with the
regular syn-gut strings, such as Big Leoina 110 and TOA Gold, and they
allow me to get a good touch on the ball that nylon seems to prohibit.

-- Zeke.
From: gownder@husc9.harvard.edu (Joseph Gownder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.tennis
Subject: Request for Rankings
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:46:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug17.204611.14835
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Sorry to request this, but usually someone posts current top-50 rankings
of tennis professionals.  I would do it, but I haven't seen the rankings
in any newspaper (NYT, Washington Post).  Could someone try to post them?
It seems alot of changes are occurring.  (Is Chang really #5? Becker #9?
Maleeva-Fragniere #7?)

Thanks.

- J. P.
gownder@husc9.harvard.edu