HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jim@egret.ess.harris.com (Jim Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Bread makers: recommendations?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:15:31 GMT
Reply-To: jim@egret.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corp, ISD

In article 21206@mprgate.mpr.ca, lyson@mpr.ca (Angela Lyson) writes:

>By the way, I agree with the assessment posted earlier that while
>there are many people who are happy with Welbuilt and DAK machines,
>many other people have had problems with those brands.  I have not 
>heard one complaint about National/Panasonic, Sanyo, and Hitachi.
        I wonder if quantity sold has much to do with this?  I understand
        there were over 250,000 DAKs sold as of last August (92).
        Drew's sales pitches are quite entertaining, as well as
        effective, apparently.  Does anyone have a feel for the
        number of National/Panasonic, Sanyo, Hitachi, Zojirushi, etc.
        bakers sold?  BTW, I have a DAK Turbo-Baker II and I love
        what it does.  Reading the comments here and in rec.food.cooking
        and pondering my tastes somewhat has led me to decide that
        when "R2D2" passes on, I'll look for a model that consistently
        bakes heavier breads completely (the Turbo-Baker IV supposedly
        does) _and_ provides a more rectangular loaf (not as stringent
        a requirement as the heavy bread one).  Heavier breads include
        those with lots of oat bran, seeds, wheat in various forms, etc.

Just my $0.02, thanks.

-jdm-             Jim Mitchell,  Harris Corporation,  Melbourne, FL, USA


Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: tomj@monster.apd.saic.com (Tom Johnson)
Subject: Re: Wood vs. Presto-type logs
Organization: SAIC, Reston, VA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:35:33 GMT

forman@ide.com (Bonnie Forman) writes:

>  *  I tried using Oak.  I bought a box (not cheap) because
>     I don't have anywhere to store a large quantity.
>     Took quite some time to get going, but once it
>     did, I had a nice sized blaze going with two logs.
>     However, it required tending every 15 minutes or so.

You can try using smaller logs.  When I first start a fire, I use
8 or 10 pieces between 3/4" and 2", and they burn with a bright, hot
flame.  I always try to keep the logs small enough to have 4 or 5 
in the fire at a time; that seems to work well, with relatively little
tending.

Of course, this usually means splitting lots of logs.  The ones I get from
the local log factory are usually 6"-8" in diameter (well, not diameter, but
the largest cross-grain dimension), which is about three or four times too big.
From: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu (Terry Quinn)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re:  rechargeable batteries
Date: 9 Jan 1993 09:27:07 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



> NiCad batteries should be stored in the uncharged state and then charged
> before using, i.e. the night before. When fully charged and on the shelf, 
> they SLOWLY lose their charge - I recall something like 1% per day or so. 
> NiCads can also develop memory effects. If you have a nicad that is 1/2 
> discharged and you recharge it and do this a few times, it will lose the 
> effect of fully discharging (or something like that). One way to fix this is
> to deep discharge the battery, i.e. fully discharge it (but don't short it out
> to do this). 
 
There was a good discussion going on in rec.video on this subject.  
Someone posted some factory service information from one of the 
manufacturers of nidads.  I won't repeat it all here, except for
two important points:
 
1.  The memory effect rarely occurrs except under very controlled 
conditions.
 
2.  Do NOT "fully discharge" your nicads or you may damage them.  
I was doing this myself with a special discharger until I read the 
article.  Discharging the nicad in a camera is safe, because it 
stays above a critical voltage level.  If you drop below that 
level (1.1v per cell -- that is correct, only slightly below the 
nominal 1.25 v per cell) you can damage one or more cells by 
reverse charging them.
 
 

--
                                    Terry Quinn
                                     Germantown Hills, IL
                                      tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
from Compuserve . . .                  >INTERNET: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
From: eastwood@inline (David Eastwood)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Japanese Wonder Batteries? (Was Re: rechargeable batteries)
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:48:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.104207.9727@u.washington.edu> tzs@stein.u.washington.edu  
(Tim Smith) writes:
> 
> Am I ever going to have to change these batteries?  Does anyone else have
> remote batteries that seem to last forever?
> 
> --Tim Smith

I have a Mitsubishi TV remote which is functioning perfectly with batteries  
which are at least 6 years old.....

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
David Eastwood / eastwood@sybase.com  /     Sybase Inc.,Emeryville, CA.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: dmmg1176@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David M Marcovitz)
Subject: Re: When is a dill pickle Kosher?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:15:10 GMT

A Jewish friend of mine used to own a grocery store in Chicago.  When
he first took over the store, he was shocked to find that they were
selling "kosher" corned beef.  He assured the workers that the corned
beef was not kosher, but they insisted it was.  As it turned out, for
the workers, "kosher" corned beef meant corned beef made with garlic.

On the subject of kosher certification, the O with a U inside and the
O with a K inside are the most widely accepted national certification
organizations.  Also, many large cities have their own certification
organizations (e.g., KVH in Boston, CRC in Chicago, Star K in
Baltimore, etc.).

-- 
David M. Marcovitz                     |  internet: marcovitz@uiuc.edu
Computer-based Education Research Lab  |            dmmg1176@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
University of Illinois                 |  novanet:  marco / cca / nova
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon)
Subject: Re: Wood vs. Presto-type logs
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 07:59:11 GMT
Organization: Connemara - Computing for People
X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89)
Bcc: forman@ide.com
Status: OR

In article <1993Jan5.223159.29046@ide.com> forman@ide.com (Bonnie Forman) writes:
>
>     - Can you really only burn one at a time?

Ed had a lot of good points, as I would expect, 
but I'll respond to this question with a strong caution.

Yes, burn only one log at a time.  Do not poke at the burning wax & sawdust
log as you might poke at a wood log.  Do not rip off the paper & crumple 
the log into pieces.  Close cover before striking.  Do not hold in hand.

How do I know, you ask?  :-)  Well, a friend on the ocean likes those
damm wax and sawdust logs, and asked me to light one for her.  And me,
being an ex-New England fireplace fiddler of no small experience,
and a former log cabin wood-heater (at 8250 feet it takes about 8 full
cords per cabin per winter) I had no problem at all lighting the log.
(well, the F. manual is printed on the side, right side up, you know,
and the damper was already open, so what could go wrong?)

So I lit the damm log.  But I couldn't leave well enough alone, oh, no.
After it had burned for a bit I poked it, just to remind it who was boss.
And it broke into two parts.  And flames sprung up and filled the fireplace,
and singed my eyebrows and moustache, not to mention the fuzz on my chin.
So I shut the glass doors tight, and started hunting for the extinguisher.

The blast furnace eventually burned back down, without cracking the
glass doors, and the burning hair smell eventually went away, and most
of the hair even grew back, except in front on top, for some reason. 
When I read the rest of TFM, on another log, a separate caution box
warned me not to do what I had done.  So now you know too.  

After trying both real wood, and the ersatz logs, I prefer real wood.

The fake logs do have a place - if you have no place to store firewood -
and I mean 1/4 cord or so (4'x4'x2' == .25 cord) - and you don't heat
with wood or need any heat from the fire, then yeah, the fake logs make
a nice little pleasant wall of flame for a few hours, and they are
utterly predictable - no sparks, knots, snaps, crackles, pops, etc.  

But if you want a warm fire every night, and you have a place to keep
some wood (most of it outdoors, and several fire's worth next to the
fireplace), then buy some decent dry dense firewood & some good kindling
- I like used thin wooden roofing shingles, myself - and learn to lay
and tend a good fire.  Just never leave the fire alone in case it decides
to take a walk while you're gone, and never poke at those fake logs :-)

--
Denis McKeon
galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu

QED: Quit and Eat Dinner
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: mcgrant@rascals.stanford.edu (Michael C. Grant)
Subject: Re: Bread makers: recommendations?
Organization: Information Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:45:21


I'm not going to quote any of the other articles because most of them say
nothing constructive.

I personally do not recommend the DAK/Welbilt ABM 100, the original
non-turbo R2D2 model. I had one for awhile and found it to be more
inconsistent than the other machines my friends/relatives had.

Consumer Reports did a very short blurb comparing the Welbilt ABM 100
and the Panasonic/National SDBT55 1-lb model with yeast dispenser, and
found the Panasonic to be much more consistent than the Welbilt. They
complained that both ruined the bottom slice 'coz the paddle got 
stuck in it, but as a breadmachine user I've learned not to care.

Finally, a Canadian consumer magazine whose name I do not know apparently
rated the same Panasonic model above all other models they tested,
including the Welbilt. They did not test a Zojirushi, apparently, nor
did they test the 1.5-lb Panasonic. I believe that the Hitachi did well
too, but I don't remember.

My aunt has a Panasonic 1.5lb model, and her husband has converted a whole
host of his own oven-baked bread recipes to it with no problem. They are
completely satisfied with it. So, I have positive testimonial from
someone who was completely committed to baking bread by hand even BEFORE
the bread machine was purchased---an encouraging sign, I think.

My personal reason for leaning to the Panasonic is the separate 100%
whole-wheat cycle. Most machines just SAY they can handle it but only
the Panasonic (that I know of) actually changes the baking routine for
it. Of course, the higher-end Zojirushi lets you design virtually any
baking program you wish, which for the patient is a plus.

I DO believe that in this case you get what you pay for, in some respects
at least. The Panasonic model is a shade over 200 bucks at the cheapest
places, and if you actually USE the darn thing it will indeed pay for
itself, at least when you consider the breads that I buy it does...

Now quit arguing about the DAK model please! The pitch of the discussing
alone is enough to discourange someone from buying it.

Michael C. Grant
mcgrant@isl.stanford.edu
--
"Long hair, short hair--what's the difference once the head's blowed off?" (?)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: jeffz@cray.com (Jeff Zais)
Subject: Re: Rechargable Battery Source Needed (and a Query)
Followup-To: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house,misc.kids
Organization: Cray Research, Inc
Distribution: na
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:05:33 CST

In article <1993Jan4.150614.6635@kodak.kodak.com>, marulli@kodak.kodak.com 
(Dave x71244/RDCS/2-205-KO) wrote:
> 
> 
> Also, does anyone have hints about uses of NiCads? 

> In addition, my Mom's point and shoot 35MM camera has
> a 'No NiCad' symbol in the battery compartment.  Could there be a connection?	
> 



I tried to save some money by using 4 AAA NiCads in my Pentax IQZoom camera
in place of the $10.00 battery pack which seemed to need replacing every
few rolls of film.  This worked for a while, but after a couple of months 
the camera started acting "strangely", and required about $80.00 of repairs
on the electonic circuitry.  This may have been a coincidence, but I'm not
about to try the NiCads again in the camera.  

However, NiCads are great in my son's fire truck.  The original batteries
wore out after one day of use, and he's learning all about the recharger.

                                                       Jeff
From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Canadian proof (not) that taxation lowers cigarette consumption
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:21:14 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

neilw@informix.com (Neil Williams) writes:

>dedek@meaddata.com (Mike Dedek) writes:
>>Since 1900 in the US, personal income tax has increased dramatically
>>(from 0% to currently 28% or thereabouts).  The standard of living has
>>also increased.  Does this prove that increasing personal income tax
>>causes an increase in the standard of living? If so, we should all lobby
>>for increased taxes! 

>Here's another one: the higher the crime rate in any given area,
>the more churches per square foot are likely to be in the area.

From my statistics class many moons ago:  There's a firm long-running
correlation, traceable at least as far back as the American revolution. 
Alcohol consumption in a state is inversely proportional to teacher
salaries in public secondary schools in that state.  While some
speculation about causality is possible, remember what a small
fraction of the public is represented by school teachers.
--
Carl Paukstis, RRR&RSG             |"The good news is that Clinton will have to
 Olivetti North America/Spokane,WA | work hard to do worse than Bush in terms
 Phone: +1 509 927-5439            | of economic policy.  The bad news is that
 Mail: carlp@mail.spk.olivetti.com | he will probably manage to do so"-Ed Ipser
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,soc.culture.japan,misc.entrepreneurs
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Price Club Info Sought
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:20:42 GMT

john@ice.stx.com wrote: 
->In Maryland, Price club now accepts Discover for purchases over $75.  Perhaps
->this feature will be coming soon to Northern California.

it already has (and has been for about 12-18 months).

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: leung@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Bruce Leung)
Subject: Re: Just a Question
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R&D, U. of Ill.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 04:03:31 GMT

Carl Paukstis writes:
>At the State level, this is even worse.  Assorted states have raided
>the fund collected from motorcycle endorsement fees and "dedicated" to
>rider education programs - IL, for example, cut back and may close
>down rider education, despite the fact that this "fund" MORE than
>covered the necessary expenditures.

Where did you get this info about IL?  It's wrong.  True the state
did rob money from the rider ed program and there were cut backs in
classes, but we were never even close to closing down rider education.
In fact, all the money ($7 from each motorcycle registration fee)
for rider ed is now protected by a recently passed bill.

Bruce
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: electric razor experience
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
	<kfG64fK00VQoAD35s=@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 02:58:41 GMT

In article <kfG64fK00VQoAD35s=@andrew.cmu.edu> jl4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Lerchey) writes:

   I guess like anything else, the choice between Norelco, Braun and
   Remington is very much a matter of taste (and maybe luck! I was suprised
   that the first posters Norelco had a part fall off!)

Yeah that surprised me too, though now the sideburn trimmer on
my beat-up 5+ year old 660tx is losing it.

I noticed that person's problem was with a lift and cut model.
Can anyone explain how lift and cut works?  Is it worthwhile?
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Just a Question
Originator: schwartz@baba
Reply-To: schwartz@nynexst.com
Organization: Expert Systems Lab., NYNEX Sci. and Tech., White Plains NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 15:16:24 GMT


In article <1993Jan4.193327.233@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com>, haluk@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Haluk Gumrukcu) writes:
> 
> How fair/legal for non-smokers (along with smokers) to decide on cigarette
> prices?
> 
> Just out of curiosity.

How fair/legal for non-smokers to have to breathe smoke from others'
cigarettes?

Compare this to gasoline prices: everyone (in theory) has a say on
gas taxes, not just drivers.  Ditto on alcohol, school taxes, etc.
-- 
Steven H. Schwartz		Expert Systems Laboratory
schwartz@nynexst.com		NYNEX Science and Technology Center
PROFS: SCHWARTZ@UNIX		500 Westchester Avenue
914-644-2960			White Plains NY 10604
From: mcgrant@rascals.stanford.edu (Michael C. Grant)
Subject: Re: DISPUTE OVER A BILL WITH SAN FRANCISCO EXAMINER!
Organization: Information Systems Laboratory, Stanford University
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:42:35


In article <1id7m9INNa4t@morrow.stanford.edu>
felipe@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Felipe Guardiano) writes:

[Story about assuming the paper would stop once the subscription
ended deleted]

Every paper I have dealt with continues to send papers unless you
explicitly cancel it. It's one of the hundreds of things that your
parents fail to tell you before you leave hoe, despite the fact
that they probably learned the hard way themselves.

I imagine that if you had straightened things out in the first week
or so, they may very well have waived the charges. But 40 bucks is
quite a lot of papers! I say pay it, live and learn.

Michael C. Grant
mcgrant@isl.stanford.edu
--
"Long hair, short hair--what's the difference once the head's blowed off?" (?)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: simnet@plato.ds.boeing.com (Mark R Poulson)
Subject: Re: Canadian proof (not)  that taxation lowers cigarette consumption
Organization: Boeing Defense & Space Group
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:10:25 GMT

In article <27763@sybase.sybase.com>, joe@sybase.com (Joseph Weinstein) writes:
> Dean Edell on KGO revealed some data about canadian tobacco consumption, where
> taxation raised the cost of cigarettes to about $3 a pack. The data show that
> prior to the tax increase, per capita consumption was equal to the U.S. In the
> few years since the taxation the consumption rate has dropped by 30%.

To this I say no shit! If they'd tax the packs at $100 per pack, the number
of purchased packs would decrease sharply. But you'd also see a black market
form where the smokes are much cheaper, but illegal. For some people, giving
up smoking is so difficult that they would either go into bankrupcy or do
illegal things to get the smokes they need. Nicotine is no different than
pot or cocaine or alcohol or gambling, .... it gives SOME people a fix they
just can't live without.

How did they determine that consumption decreased -- by counting the number
of cigarette packs sold? If so, they they aren't counting the hordes of
Canadians that cross the border here into Washington every weekend who buy
as much of our cheap gas and cheap smokes as they can without paying a duty fee.

		Mark
From: alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Alex Alexander)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: How does a PI locate somebody?
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:35:18 GMT
Followup-To: misc.consumers,misc.legal,soc.misc,alt.conspiracy
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies

In article <1993Jan5.012308.11969@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com>,
dao@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Deborah Wagner 3621) wrote:
> 
> 
> I was once located through Voter's Registration, which is apparently
> accessible in some form or other to you and me, or at least
> Investigators, private.
> 
> Also, DMV, but I think that took a license plate number, or some
> other known current number, and has recently been disallowed.
> -- 

Still allowed in Minnesota, as far as I know. Also, the best way to get a
whole file on someone is to pretend you're a creditor and request their
report.

Some guy here who just wrote a book (can't remember what it's called) where
he used Dan Quayle and Dan Rather as examples. He even got Dan Quayle's
Sears charge number and his unlisted home phone number.
Xref: sparky misc.consumers:21466 sci.electronics:21949 soc.culture.japan:13137 soc.culture.african.american:13413 misc.education:5636 misc.entrepreneurs:3825
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,sci.electronics,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.african.american,misc.education,misc.entrepreneurs
From: tlai@cs.toronto.edu (Tony Wen Hsun Lai)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Followup-To: talk.bizarre
Summary: Facts are bad for you.
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 4 Jan 93 22:31:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.201248.4828@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>In article <1993Jan01.103831.6531@deeptht.armory.com> rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
[lots of stuff deleted]
>>...maybe you have just been duped by facts in books. 
>
>Care to cite those books? And are you seriously accusing him of having "been 
>duped by facts in books." Can we all be assured then, that your posts are 
>devoid of the ravages of facts? That indeed is a comfort.

Perhaps Mr. Walz believes that "Facts are stupid things", as Ronald Reagan
once said.

This doesn't belong in sci.electronics.  Followups are set appropriately.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house,misc.kids
From: rkh@ucs.att.com (Bob Halloran)
Subject: Re: Rechargable Batteries
Organization: AT&T Universal Card Services, Jacksonville FL
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:08:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.205609.7424@fid.morgan.com> joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.150614.6635@kodak.kodak.com> marulli@kodak.kodak.com (Dave x71244/RDCS/2-205-KO) writes:
>>I am looking for a 'cheap' source for NiCad batteries.  Does anyone know
>>of perhaps a mail order place or a chain store that has them cheaper than 
>>Radio Shack. ($9.75/9V, $5.75/2 pack of D-cells, etc)
>RS has them on sale periodically....In addition their blue/white D-cells
>are rumored to be a C-cell in a bigger wrapper.

If you have access to a Sam's Club (Wal-Mart warehouse operation), they
sell Panasonic NiCads for roughly $9. per 8-pack for AAs, or per 4-pack 
for C and D's.  I forget their cost on 9V's.

We stocked up big-time for the holidays...

	Bob Halloran
	AT&T Universal Card
	Jacksonville FL

	rkh@ucs.att.com
Any similarity between opinions stated here and AT&T's 
  corporate opinion are purely coincidental.

"How can you tell a politician is lying?  His lips move..."
	-- M-m-max Headroom
"Read my lips - no new taxes" -- George H. W. Bush, 1988