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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:03:50 EST
From:         "Natalie M Grupido" <grupidon@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Teacher Talk
              Dec 17, 92 1:25 pm

Hi Cathy,

I'm new to this Deaf List so you could probably imagine the awkwardness I am
experiencing towards using this machine.  Anyhow, I am a graduate deaf student
majoring in both deaf ed. and deaf/blind at Michigan State University.  I'm
really curious to ask you about your teaching placement and kids...I assume
you are teaching in a public school in a self-contained classroom?  How old
are your kids and how many do you have?  This may 'look' odd to some deaf
people but I do plan to teach in a public school setting.  It's a fact that
more and more deaf children are being placed in public schools and there is a
great need for deaf teachers there (despite the hassles, bumps, bruises one
must experience along with the some administration's silent unwillingness to
actually hire competent deaf teachers!!)  My main reason for this goal is
because of my own personal experiences of being in public schools...I was
fortuate enough to have dedicated parents to ensure that I was being educated
(especially at home) but many of my deaf peers, who were in public schools
with me, were not and you could
probably imagine the hardship they go through esp. now that they are adults.

I enjoy reading your messages...I'm sure your kids have a fantastic time with
you!

Cheers,
Natalie








> > Greetings to all!
Have a few comments and then a few questions. >
> Many of you may remember the out of district child who was the only deaf child

> in the school.  Long story short  -  The parents signed over educational
> guardianship to someone in this county.  We had the meeting yesterday and she
> will be beginning school here in January.
>
> Speaking of religion and Christmas and public schools etc  - Today we were
> getting ready to finish reading a book and the seven year old informed the
> class a king killed Jesus when he was 33 years old.  He died and his mother wa
s
> sad.  So, we did have a short discussion about this.  I was amazed that this
> girl knew this and remembered his age!  Told us she learned it in Sunday Schoo
l
> Amazing!!  These kids amaze me.
>
>
> Now question:  Can any of you Gally folks tell me if there are educational
> materials availabe for public schools to use.  Already have a captioned film
> catalog.  But, more than that?  How would I access that info?  Do you have a
> loaning process?
>
> Thanks
> Cathy - teacher of children who are too excited about this season and have
> been wonderful this week!  But, teacher who is READY for break!
>
From: sethg@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU (Seth Gordon)
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Subject: sex wish (no, not *that* kind)
Date: 16 Dec 92 07:32:48 GMT
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              14 Dec 1992 12:53:53 EST <9212160613.AA18413@silver.lcs.mit.edu>

Joseph, you seem to believe that "unnatural" things are bad, unless they
clearly benefit people in another way.  I don't agree with this, for
these reasons:

(1) The human mind, as far as I can tell, as much a product of natural
forces as anything else in the world.  I see no justification for
declaring the Hoover Dam to be "unnatural" and a beaver dam "natural",
simply because one was conceived by human minds and the other was not.

(2) Even if we allow such a distinction between "natural" and
"unnatural" things, pain, disease, famine, death, and violence are all
common in the "natural world".  I don't think this means we should
allow human beings to suffer simply because, on some philosophical
balance-scale, the severity of the suffering is less than the
"unnaturalness" of the cure.

(3) We can find processes in the "natural world" to excuse many, many
opposing moral values.  For instance, social conservatives say that
since homosexual sex does not make anyone pregnant, it is "unnatural",
and therefore immoral.  Liberals say that since many animals engage in
homosexual sex, it is "natural", and therefore OK.  In these cases,
people are not using "nature" to *guide* their actions, but to
*excuse* moral judgements they have already made; the appeal to
"nature" obscures more moral issues than it clears up.

If I had a deaf child, I would not give him/her a cochlear implant,
not because implants are "unnatural", but because the chance of a
better life for the child does not outweigh the medical risks of
surgery and implantation.  Likewise for many other issues.  I think
America has too many cars on the road, not because cars are
"unnatural", but because the pollution and accidents they cause are
unhealthy; before cars were widespread, some cities had a similar
pollution problem from horse dung.  I think anti-gay discrimination is
wrong, not because homosexual sex is "natural", but because consenting
adults have the right to form whatever relationships they choose.  And
so on.

P.S. to science fiction fans: John Varley has written a number of
stories set in a future world where sex changes, and many other
radical surgeries, are cheap, frequent, and socially acceptable.  His
latest novel, _Steel Beach,_ is set in this world; see also another
novel of his, _The Ophiuchi Hotline,_ and the short-story collections
_The Barbie Murders,_ _The Persistence of Vision,_ and _Blue
Champagne._
--
seth gordon ... <sethg@silver.lcs.mit.edu>   ... .sig under construction;
mit bs '91  ... learning ctr 4 deaf children ... pardon the inconvenience
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:48:50 EST
From:         "Cathy Brandt" <CBRAN00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      A Teacher feeling old!

Greetings all!

This morning we had our annual Christmas breakfast.  Well, it was all of the
H.I. kids in the school and we invited the middle school kids to *come back*
and visit!   Good Grief!  When did they all grow up!  And they are only in
middle school.  One boy I'd not seen for three years.  (He's one who ran away
from school and another time threatened to shoot me if I came to his house to
talk to his mother.  I told him to get the gun out about 4:00 becuase I was
coming over!  Obviously I went.  Obviously he had no gun)  He has turned in to
the sweetest kid!  Even brought me a gift!  Yes, I cried!  A wonderful time
was had by all.  But, I felt sooooo old!  (I know 30 isn't as old as some of
you folks!)  When they left we exchanged hugs and even got kisses (great part
about teaching :)  ) and I cried again - for about a half an hour!  My kids
are about tired of me crying this week.  Yesterday I got the sweetest gifts
from them.  It wasn't the actual gifts as much as it was what they gave and why
I wish I could detail each gift.  I cried lots yesterday.  One boy asked, Why
you cry, Miss Brandt?  You sad?  To which a girl replied, Sometimes Miss
Brandt cries when she sad.  Sometime she cry when she happy.  Miss Brandt is
happy.  She like to open gifts!!!!  We all laughed.

Oh, you all, no it isn't the gifts.  It is these kids.  You all who teach or
have families know what I mean.  Kids can just turn your heart inside out.
These are the days when I wish I had a house full myself.

Well, our unit on famous people and deaf culture is shaping up nicely.  We are
doing a Game Show for the culminating activity and plan to video tape it.  It
should be a site to see!

So!  How many of you are getting on planes in January and spending a few days
with us to *really* teach us?  I'll take a few from each side of all of the
arguments so we have a well rounded influence!  Why, I'd even let some of you
use ASL in my classroom!  Oh, don't get excited and flame me - I was just tryin
to be funny.  Yeah, I know some of you don't find it humorous.  Well, I know
that although email leads us to believe that we live in a global community
because we can zip words across the world - we can't zip ourselves.  So, I
won't count on you visiting.  But, seriously, the invitation is always open to
anyone in or near Lexington!

Gots to get out of here!

Cathy - teacher of children who when they leave here become giants - sweet
giants, kind giants, loving giants  - well at Christmas time!  The middle
school teacher may not concur with that judgment!
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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 10:48:07 +0200
From:         Omer Zak <XLACHA1@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      Biography on Weitbrecht

In recent postings to DEAF-L, there were several mentions of Weitbrecht,
the inventor of the modem which allowed connection of teletypes to the
phone network.
It was also mentioned that he was a radio ham.  And he probably did other
interesting things as well.

Does any biography on him exist (in the form of a book or electronically)?
If yes, I'll appreciate being informed where it can be found.
                                                           --- Omer
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From: hughes@msi-i5.msi.umn.edu (Matt Hughes)
Subject: Software for ASL?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:48:29 GMT

Does any software exist for learning sign language, or any other
sign language related software?  Preferably MacIntosh, but please
tell me about anything.

I don't read this group, I'm just asking for a friend.  Please reply
via e-mail, and I'll summarize.

Thank you.

 
-- 
Matthew V. Hughes - MN Supercomputer Institute  Graphics Support Coordinator
Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Inc.            Phone Number: (612) 626-1765
1200 Washington Avenue South                    hughes@msc.edu
Minneapolis, MN 55415                           hughes@msi.umn.edu
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Date:         Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:34:02 -0500
From:         "Mark J. Dessert" <11MDESSERT@GALLUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Teacher Talk

>Now question:  Can any of you Gally folks tell me if there are educational
>materials availabe for public schools to use.  Already have a captioned film
>catalog.  But, more than that?  How would I access that info?  Do you have a
>loaning process?

>Thanks
>Cathy - teacher of children who are too excited about this season and have
>been wonderful this week!  But, teacher who is READY for break!

Cathy,
        Contact the National Information Center on Deafness here at
Gally:

                        NICD
                        Gallaudet University
                        800 Florida Avenue NE
                        Washington DC 20002-3695

They can give you specifics on any programs here at Gally; who to
contact; etc. and can also inform you of other resources available to
public schools.  Wonderful news about your new seven year old!  I am really
happy for her.  It depresses me to imagine how many school administrators
don't seem to give a flying fig about the isolation involved with
mainstreaming.  Merry Christmas to you and the kids!
                             Mark Dessert

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           With each passing day, I learn the extent of my ignorance.

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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:06:32 -0500
From:         CSRI Distribution Manager <distrib@TURING.TORONTO.EDU>
Subject:      March on Washington

I'm another hearie (and a Canadian to boot :)) but I will be attending
the March on Washington.  I've never been to D.C. so I'm very excited about
it.  I was wondering, would it be considered bad form to visit Gallaudet
just so I could say I've actually been there?  I think there are going to
be bizillions of people at the March and I'm hoping that the deaf G&L
community will be VERY visible.

Chris
distrib@turing.toronto.edu
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From: CADS_COLE@GALLUA.BITNET (Kevin Cole; Washington DC)
Subject: Re:      Demographics...
Organization: Gallaudet Research Institute
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:50:23 GMT

In article <01GS8C11DX8G9EGUKR@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>,        
CXLNVD@RITVAX.BITNET writes: 

> Deaf-L readers:  For your information, here are some facts to
> keep in mind when offering one's perspective.  Thanks.  These
> facts are quoted from various census sources, the U.S. Census
> Bureau, and for more detailed info. contact Gallaudet Univ.
> Ctr. for Assmt. and Demo. Stds.

That's us.  (Notice the CADS_ in the username.)  If you need an addresss, see 
the signature.  Although I work for the center I'm not a demographer, so I
cannot answer questions.  However, you can send to CADS_FIELDS, or CADS_REIS
and your request can be routed to the right person. 

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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 11:19:58 -0700
From:         MUTH_M@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU
Subject:      Re: christmas parties?

Christmas parties arent necessary a religious activity.  It is an American
tradition that has been passed on for years, and years!!
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:20:20 -0500
From:         Dawn Skwersky <skwersky@ACS.BU.EDU>
Subject:      Character Sketch

Name:           Dawn Skwersky

Live:           Boston, MA

Occupation:     Full-time Grad student in Film Production
                at Boston University

Status of Deafness:     I was born with some hearing..parents
                didn't realize I was deaf until I was 4. I got
                my first hearing aids at 4 or 5 years old.
                I am profoundly deaf...I consider myself DEAF.
                (culturally speaking).  I read lips and I
                think I can speak fairly well.

Cause of Deafness:      I think it is genetic.  My brother,
                ADAM, who is also on Deaf-L is deaf...
                Both of us have progressive hearing losses.
                (which have stablized at around 95 db loss)

Why I know so much abt this:    I took a lot of Deaf studies
                and Deaf Education classes as an undergrad.
                I went to Mount Holyoke (BA in Anthropology
                and English in 1991) and I went to Gallaudet
                for my Junior year...

Why subscribe to Deaf-L:        I like talking with other
                deafies..I like meeting other deafies...
                I like talking about deaf issues...its not
                easy to find people to talk about these
                things with.

What I want to do:      I want to make films which address
                these issues.  Fiction films with deaf
                characters...showing deaf pov of sounds...
                I made 3 short films this semester...i tried
                to manipulate the sound.. but some of my sound
                was too clear....So, I need to remanipulate
                it before it is final...
                It is not easy being a deafie editing a
                soundtrack for a movie...

Comments:       I guess I will wait and see...do any of
                you have ideas for movies??  I write
                screenplays too.  Any suggestions will
                be helpful..or any collaboration with me
                will be great too..

Hobbies:        Snow skiing, water skiing, walking, traveling,
                cooking, watching movies, writing, I love
                outdoors, if I had the means and the time I
                would do rappelling, mountain climbing, scuba,
                and all that stuff....

Age:            23

Other:          I was the only deafie in my school from k to 12
                grade.  I learned ASL at 17 years old....

OKOKOKOK... if you need to know more just ask me...
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Date:         Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:37:18 -0500
From:         "Mark J. Dessert" <11MDESSERT@GALLUA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: sex wish (no, not *that* kind)

Chris,
        Regarding homosexual behavior; you say that:

>The difference between those two are the Porchs do it for domination, and
>Humans, well I don't know why humans do it, but at anyrate, Homosexuality
>is still wrong.
>I except it, but I say it is wrong because it is damaging mentally as well
>as physically.

        Most "authorities" agree that people engage in homosexual
behavior because that is their sexual orientation.  As a person grows,
he or she becomes aware that their sexual interest is either gay or
straight or somewhere in between.  A person cannot choose to be gay or
be influenced to be gay any more than you or I chose to be straight.  We
just realize over time what our orientation happens to be.
        I am confused about your reasons for why you believe it to be
wrong.  Can you tell me more about what you think is "mentally damaging"
about it?  Tell me also, what kind of "physical damage" it does also.  I
respect your not feeling comfortable with the idea; but I for one,
cannot think of one aspect of homosexual behavior that can damage
anyone.
        If you are referring to aids, please know that it is not a
homosexual disease.  There are many ways that aids can be contracted
without engaging in homosexual behavior.


>>I think anti-gay discrimination is
>>wrong, not because homosexual sex is "natural", but because consenting
>>adults have the right to form whatever relationships they choose.  And
>>so on.

>I agree with this.  Any kind of discrimination is wrong.  You don't have
>to like it, you just have to except it.

        I applaud you on being open minded about this.  You have much
capacity for human compassion.  I enjoy reading your posts.  :-)

                             Best regards,
                             Mark Dessert

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          With each passing day, I learn the extent of my ignorance.

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From: ecameron@orach.mrc.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: Signing
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 07:49:25 GMT
Organization: University of Idaho, Moscow--NOT

I'm a student at the University of New Mexico in the Sign Language
interpreting program here.  I don't know a whole lot of sign yet,
but I do catch myself signing while I talk verbally.  Sometimes it
drives my friends crazy because they think I am saying something with
my mouth and something else with my hands!  (As if I can do two things
at once)!  Anyway, personally, I like to sign when I talk--it's great
practice for me as a student!

Later...


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Date:         Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:42:47 -0500
From:         Seth Gordon <sethg@SILVER.LCS.MIT.EDU>
Subject:      heart vs heart disease, mainly to Seth
              9 Dec 1992 08:54:56 EST <9212091806.AA13817@silver.lcs.mit.edu>

Sorry.  I didn't mean to offend.
--
seth gordon ... <sethg@silver.lcs.mit.edu>   ... .sig under construction;
mit bs '91  ... learning ctr 4 deaf children ... pardon the inconvenience
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Date:         Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:25:50 EST
From:         "Cathy Brandt" <CBRAN00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Teacher Talk

Greetings to all!  Have a few comments and then a few questions.

Many of you may remember the out of district child who was the only deaf child
in the school.  Long story short  -  The parents signed over educational
guardianship to someone in this county.  We had the meeting yesterday and she
will be beginning school here in January.

Speaking of religion and Christmas and public schools etc  - Today we were
getting ready to finish reading a book and the seven year old informed the
class a king killed Jesus when he was 33 years old.  He died and his mother was
sad.  So, we did have a short discussion about this.  I was amazed that this
girl knew this and remembered his age!  Told us she learned it in Sunday School
Amazing!!  These kids amaze me.


Now question:  Can any of you Gally folks tell me if there are educational
materials availabe for public schools to use.  Already have a captioned film
catalog.  But, more than that?  How would I access that info?  Do you have a
loaning process?

Thanks
Cathy - teacher of children who are too excited about this season and have
been wonderful this week!  But, teacher who is READY for break!
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From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: Deaf issues
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 10:14:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.154307.20337@u.washington.edu> chrispy@hardy.u.washington.edu (Chris Prince) writes:
>In article <01GS9VP6I90490QO66@northeastern.edu> ELG@NORTHEASTERN.EDU writes:
>>Hi, please sign me up for Deaf issues. Thanks.
>>
>>Elijah Gold
>
>Wow, what is this signing  up thingy?

apparently, most of the people on this forum are receiving
articles as part of a mailing list, while the rest of us
read this as a newsgroup (sent via NNTP).  i read this
with my standard-issue newsreader, rn.

-teddy
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