From: Ken.Pangborn@f20.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Ken Pangborn)
Newsgroups: alt.child-support
Subject: Re: There must be a way
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 92 08:27:11 PDT
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MEK>>POINT:  Far too many women, victimised by their feminista systyrs, think
MEK>>the path to freedom and self worth is throwing a bum out for trying to
MEK>>control me and with FULL government authority, guarentee her a standard
MEK>>of living because....THEY"RE HIS CHILDREN TOO!!! DAMN IT!!.

MEK>It is too bad that some people, capable of making resonable arguments, 
MEK>resort to sexist CRAP! Grow up and look around! There are female NCP's 
MEK>too, you know (I am one). The reason for many of the absurd laws we have 
MEK>today is that there were so many deadbeat NCP's (mostly male) who felt 
MEK>that the ultimate way to punish their ex was to impoverish THEIR kids!  
MEK>My father's threat to my mother on receiving his papers: "I'll see you 
MEK>on welfare!" And, he did--what a MAN! You can hardly blame "Working 
MEK>Woman" magazine for the legislative response to such insanity.

        WHOA girl! First park your flame thrower. I know that there are female
NCP's out there. I *HAPPILY* made my ex-wife an NCP! AND in the 11 years
I raised the kids she sent a grand total of $3 in support! So much for
bashing status. But since you brought it up, let's talk about "Deadbeat dads"
and the number crunching. 

        Let us first realize that almost 90% of the massive "debt" on child
support comes from children born "out of wedlock." In the United States
one in 4 children born are born "out of wedlock."  Of those children, 75%
of their bith certificates list the father as; "Unknown". Of the fathers
who CAN be identified, 75% are age 18 or under! 

        When we didcuss "deadbeat dadism" what we fail to discuss is that
the vast majority of those dads who account for the $4.7 BILLION in unpaid
child support do not even know they are fathers! Much less that they owe
support. But what the hell, what a GREAT way to bash the male gender, huh?

        We could sit here and trade "horror stories" all day. And then try to
make a fantastic leap of logic making the argument that since this is what
we experienced, it is therefore what ALL people or MOST people experience.
So I'd have to take STRONG exception to your claim that the child support
problem was the result of men trying to "PUNISH" their kids and ex-wife.
The statistics don't support you on that. Even the MOST hostile (to men)
statistics, those of the female headed Census Bureau research tem, shows that 
78% of divorced dads pay ALL or MOST of their support! But you wouldn't know
that listening to the evening news, would ya?

        And while I am at it. Kids do just fine in poverty of material
things. Where kids have trouble is in poverty of emotional and spiritual
things. You'll have to pardon me that I believe that kids can do without
a pair of British Knights much more than they can a parent's love. So on
MY set of priorities, maintaining the contact between the child and their
NCP should be of MUCH higher priority than the money! People who lived through
the depression did just fine! 

        And it is interesting to note that women's groups in California,
New York, and Ohio have taken the lead in trying to end joint custody laws 
and BLOCK visitation laws. Bitter? Who's bitter? Gee, kinda hard to tell
ain't it?
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