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From: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Capitol S.F.?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:07:20 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <1993Jan7.025854.3115@csus.edu>, arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes:
>  Can anyone give me the names of fantasy or science fiction books set in
> Washington, D.C.?

I dunno about _books_, but _The Day The Earth Stood Still_ is set in WDC.

It wasn't shot there, though; they filmed most of it in Hollywood as per
usual and sent a cameraman, a Michael Rennie double, and a little-kid
double to wander around Washington and be photographed in front of the
monuments.

Dorothy J. Heydt
UC Berkeley
cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu

Disclaimer:  UCB and the Cozzarelli lab are not responsible for my
opinions, and in fact I don't think they know I have any.
From: matt@physics2.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
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Subject: Re: Who killed SF???
Date: 7 Jan 93 12:03:18
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
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In-reply-to: williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu's message of Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:14:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.191415.9908@news.uiowa.edu> williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams) writes:

> Fantasy Body Snatchers.  Roger Zelazny and U K Leguin used
> to write great books before they got into the fantasy dodge.  Wake up!

Actually, I think that Ursula Le Guin has written some great books
that are fantasy---A Wizard of Earthsea, for example.  (Marketed as a
children's book, but one of my favorite fantasy novels.)

As for Zelazny, some of his best books could also arguably be called
fantasy as well.  I regard Lord of Light as a science fiction book,
but others don't see it that way.  (Of course, I'm talking about good
Zelazny books; I'm aware that he's also written fantasy trash.)
--
Matthew Austern                   Just keep yelling until you attract a
(510) 644-2618                    crowd, then a constituency, a movement, a
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From: baps0@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nicole Marie Craig)
Subject: Amber:Triumphant Conclusion?!
Organization: University of Sussex
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:10:31 GMT

Sorry I know this has been done to death but I've only just read a copy
of Prince of Chaos - the american import with the words THE TRIUMPHANT
CONCLUSION TO THE AMBER SERIES written in large letters on the cover.

I only have one thing to say.

HAH,TRIUMPHANT CONCLUSION MY *!@*.

where's the next book? I don't want all the details wrapped up - well I
do but I'll settle for most of them. Please, please grovel, grovel etc.

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From: phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu (Dave Weingart)
Subject: Re: Amber: Triumphant Conclusion?!
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:07:59 GMT

In article <1483@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, seawasp@vm2.cis.pitt.edu (Sea Wasp) writes:
|> 	I didn't expect a complete wrap-up, so perhaps that's why I'm not 
|> disappointed; after all, how much CAN you REALLY wrap up in a universe
|> that includes all possibility?

Perhaps not entirely, but you could do something about the actual storyline,
and wrapping it up.  I've heard of leaving a few things unresolved, but only
a brothel should have this many loose ends.

-- 
73 de David Weingart  KB2CWF    In the event I am captured or killed, the
phydeaux@cumc.cornell.edu       Cornell University Medical College and the
phydeaux@guru.med.cornell.edu   Department of Academic Computing will disavow
phydeaux@src4src.linet.org      any knowledge of my opinions.
From: hyde@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Xenocide Sequel?
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:28:30 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <jvessey.726348031@husc.harvard.edu>, jvessey@husc11.harvard.edu (Jonathan Vessey) writes:
> On a somewhat related note (and without wanting to spoil the plot for those
> who haven't read it, so I won't go into details): was anyone else out there
> somewhat disappointed by the ending of Xenocide? I really loved the first
> two books in the series and was waiting with baited breath for the third
> one. It was okay, but other than the fact that it concentrated too much
> (in my opinion) on the story of the girl (argh-can't remember her name),
> it seemed like a massive case of deus ex machina where OSC realized that
> there was no way out of the situation he'd written everyone into and just
> invented an easy way out. Admittedly, it was a really sticky situation,
> but I still thought he kind of wimped out rather than actually developing
> a logical or believable solution to the problems.
> 


	I found it to be poor, not simply as compared to its
	excellent prequels, but on its own.  There were just too many
	errors in the logic of the story, while the character
	development - usually Card's strength - left me cold.

	A word of warning, however.  I'm beginning to be bored by
	Card's work in general (Yawned through the last Alvin Maker)
	so perhaps it's just me, and Xenocide is fit to stand with
	its predecessors (except for the logical flaws).

	He's strained his universe past the point of plausibility
	for me, and I'm not interested in the characters.  I rather
	doubt I'll buy the sequel.

						Bill Hyde
Department of Oceanography
Dalhousie University,
Halifax, Nova Scotia
hyde@ac.dal.ca or hyde@dalac


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From: rcharbon@athena.mit.edu (Ray Charbonneau)
Subject: RE: Piers Anthony: Victim of his own success?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:15:59 GMT

WE are the victims of Piers Anthony's success.

-- 
Ray Charbonneau              | The fifth dentist makes all the money.
rcharbon@athena.mit.edu      |             -- me
MIT and the Library Systems Office are glad that I'm posting my opinions
here so that they don't have to listen to them anymore.
From: xgg2356@DCMDC.DLA.MIL (James Fuerstenberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: g martin
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:27:46 GMT

Re: George Martin.

I did have occasion to talk to George Martin at a convention a year or two
ago and asked him about the paucity of written output as of late. The
conversation was somewhat longer, but the upshot was basically that he had not
had time due to being real busy with the tv script writing/editing etc...

The tv writing pays much much more than the fiction writing.

On a similar note, he has sold option on making a movie of Fevre Dream more
than once.  In case you are not familiar, options are for a specific period
of time, then the option can be sold again.  In some cases it is to the 
authors advantage to sell a number of consecutive options than to ever have
a movie made...but who knows, maybe someday a movie will be made of Fevre
Dream.  It is not imminent to the best of my knowledge.
Jim.

jfuerstenberg@dcmdc.dla.mil or xgg2356@dcmdc.dla.mil


"Duct tape is like the Force.  It has a dark side and a light side and holds
the universe together."

Any opinions herein are most certainly not that of my employer.  I am not 
authorized to have an opinion.
From: tomw@orac.asd.sgi.com (Tom Weinstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Dave Duncan
Date: 9 Jan 93 03:38:53 GMT
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In-reply-to: you@where.ever.you.are's message of 8 Jan 93 15:33:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.153311.3357@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu>, you@where.ever.you.are writes:
> In article <TOMW.93Jan6184310@orac.asd.sgi.com> tomw@orac.asd.sgi.com (Tom
> Weinstein) writes:

>>I feel the same way.  I just finished _The_Cutting_Edge_, and I loved
>>it.  At first reading, I didn't like the end of _Emperor_and_Clown_, but
>>after reading TCE, I think I like it better.

> Emperor and Clown??  Is that the next one?  Where did you get it??  WHY CAN'T
> I FIND IT IN MY BOOKSTORE???!!!???  

EaC is the fourth book in the first series.  TEC is the first book in
the second series.  You should be able to find Eac.  It's been out for a
while.

--
Love is a conveyor belt of   |   Tom Weinstein  tomw@orac.esd.sgi.com
warmth  -- Jackie Chan       |                  tomw@bears.ucsb.edu
From: hunt@oils.ozy.dec.com (Peter Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Covenant/LotR parallels? (Was Re: Ambe
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:21:15 GMT
Reply-To: hunt@oils.ozy.dec.com (Peter Hunt)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1993Jan11.161017.16680@stortek.com>, schumach@stortek.com (Kurt Schumacher) writes:
|> If you would like to see some real parallels, try comparing LotR to the
|> great Norse saga The Niebelungenlied (apologies if it's misspelled).
|> Tolkien was clear heaily influenced by the Norse sagas.

	And not just LotR. In the Book of Lost Tales, Chris Tolkien discusses
the similarities between the end of the Tales and legends of other countries.
The Tales themselves were supposed to be a kind of ancient folk legend of
England.

|> (As were many
|> others.  I did a paper in high school comparing LotR with the libretto
|> from Wagner's Ring Cycle.  Got an A+ on it; wish I'd kept a copy.)
|> My feeling is that you have to go back a *long* way to find a truly
|> original story.
|> 
|> 	Kurt

	Funny you should mention the Ring Cycle; Donaldson's latest offering
(the Gap series) was inspired to a large degree by the Ring cycle (although
it's a long way from a simple retelling of the story).
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From: BECKS@TAUNIVM.TAU.AC.IL (Sara Beck)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: The Gripping Hand
Date: 8 Jan 93 07:21:50 GMT


The appearance of the sequel to "The Mote in God's Eye" rouses me to
comment on the original. Since I don't want to ruin anyone's reading
pleasure nor to attract needless flames, I will start by saying that
loyal fans of Niven and Pournelle may not want to read this.  OK?

"The Mote.." was a thoroughly mean-spirited book.  It did have
certain points of pathological interest. It was a good example of
anti-semitism according to the strictly linguistic, or Bobby Fischer,
definition, namely it was offensive and demeaning to Jews and Arabs
alike. It also had yet another example of Niven's quite extraordinary
misogyny, which I don't think has been mentioned on the net.  If a
writer comes up with ONE alien species in which the females are
non-sentient or non-intelligent, or in which the process of
reproduction is fraught with catastrophic threats and dangers, one
can say that it doesn't make sense scientifically but hey, neither
does FTL travel, and this is what SF does. But if EVERY
alien species this writer can find in his imagination has either
profoundly defective females, great threats in child-bearing, or
both, phrases like "deep-seated authorial neurosis" begin to come to
mind.

I intend to read this sequel, or any other book by N and P,  when it
is proven to me that by so doing I can bring about a cure for AIDS
and/or an end to the war in the Balkans.  Not before.
--s.beck
From: ca572@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark L. Stackpole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Editor that hated Chalker ?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 00:08:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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	My guess also was that Chalker was refering to Terry Carr.
 The short story was titled something like "The Dance of Changer Three".
 It's a very good representation of a human trying to come to terms
 with some truly _Alien_ aliens. It was writen in the mid to late
 '60s, if that is of any help, and I think Gardner Dozois reprinted
 it in _Landmarks of Science Fiction_ last year.
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From: sph0301@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: SF + PC
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:40:35 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: Univ. of Texas School of Public Health

In article <1icqfqINN8jg@agate.berkeley.edu> oliver@madrone.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Oliver Sharp) writes:
>I'm curious.  So far, nobody I've seen has spoken up in favor of guided 
>reading.  Am I the only one who has *liked* my literature classes?

[material deleted]

>Didn't anyone else have the same luck?  I've had my share of unguided 
>epiphanies, but I can't think of a better gift one person can make to 
>another than to encourage their interest in literature with gentle
>guidance.  This is not to say, of course, that rigidly defined and
>rigidly taught courses with its victims in shackles are a Good Thing.
>But for heavens sake, what could be more charming than the encouragmenet
>of a genuine book lover through the meadows and thickets of the printed
>word?

In my later-than-usual college experience (read 20+ years older than the
rest of the students) I had to take a couple of semesters of English lit.  
Although I've been a voracious reader since age 4 or so, I wasn't looking 
forward to having to read specific texts (didn't figure any good mysteries 
would be on the reading list).

It was a real surprise to find that not only did I enjoy Vergil's
Aeneid but liked it enough to read the whole thing, not just the few
chapters that were required.  The next semester introduced me to
Eudora Welty, another author whom I enjoyed enough to continue reading
on my own... and then there was Faulkner - I'd still like to read 
something else by him (we read "The Bear") although my opinion at the
time was that he could have used a good editor.

kate
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From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: City (Was:Re: John Woods Campbell)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 13:40:04 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
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In article <1993Jan2.135330.12000@math.ucla.edu>  
dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein) writes:
>   2. How well does the definition really fit SF then and today?
> 
>    I fail to see how the term *technological* fits books like 
>    _More Then Human_ or even _Man in the High Castle_.  And I fail
>    to see how does the term *human* square with works like _City_ 
>    or _Mission of Gravity_.
> 

How does the term "human" NOT square with City. It is an 
intensely human book, filled with human characters, and
centered on human concerns (even if the frame story is
from the point of view of the dogs).




--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: dambik@fnalo.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Weird SF
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:53:24 GMT
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
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In article <jorngh.246.726498500@dhhalden.no>, jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN) writes:
> 
> Title says it all, is there any 'weird' science fiction work
> like some of the stuff Philip K. Dick wrote ? I've read many
> of his books lately and now I'm seeking for other authors.
> 
> Authors name + maybe some of his/hers best books would be
> appreciated.
> 

Try K.W. Jeter. He's on my Buy-On-Sight list. Almost anything by him 
is excellent (though you may want to avoid his straight horror novels 
like Wolf Flow). Some titles which spring to mind are Madlands, 
Farewell Horizontal, Glass Hammer. Warning - Jeter's stuff can get 
*real* off-the-wall. I believe that Jeter, Blaylock, and Powers all knew
PK Dick quite well...
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: The Gripping Hand By Larry Niven And Jerry Pournelle
Date: 12 Jan 1993 14:36:08 GMT
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In <1ismhsINNkav@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu writes:

> In <1993Jan11.190715.9134@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com writes:
> 
> > In article <726713445.AA04747@tdkt.kksys.com> David.Dyer-bennet@f0.n727.z0.tdkt.kksys.com (David Dyer-bennet) writes:
> > > Al> My problem with Niven/Pournelle, as
> > > Al> evidenced in LUCIFER'S HAMMER and MOTE IN
> > > Al> GOD'S EYE, is that they always manage to torture or torture/murder 
> > > Al> women in these books with a little too much loving detail.
> > >
> > > [poster asks where, trying to think of examples]

> > [Motie engineer in _Mote_ dies slowly and painfully while female]   

>   I personally, forgot that one.  Concentrating on the humans again.  I do 
> recall (finally) a woman murdered by a wacko in the early going of _Hammer_.
> I don't recall much detail given to the actual deed (other than a notation
> that it was pretty awful--I will check tonight).  Also in _Mote_, Sally's
> friend just...disappears.  No doubt dead and/or tortured, but they never say
> another word about it.

  Here I am, following up my own posts, but -- the description of the remains
of the murdered girl in _Hammer_ were pretty graphic.  But then, so were some
other dead folks, there were plenty to go around in that book.  I stand by my
original commentary, below:

>   I think the original poster has a chip on her shoulder.  Were is her concern
> for the dead middies of _Mote_?  The unamed male whose head was in the space-
> suit?  The slaughtered National Guardsmen in _Footfall_?  The dead security
> guard in _Dream Park_?  The reporter in _Footfall_?  The engineer who died in
> the live steam in _Hammer_?  The fellow dying from mustard gas in _Hammer_?
> 
>   Niven/Pournelle are secretly man-haters!  Isn't it obvious?
> 
>   Bloody hell.  When it come to death, these guys are equal-opportunity all 
> the way.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
Texas A&M University '89 and '91
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From: rice@ttd.teradyne.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Heinlein - Politically correct?
Date: 7 Jan 93 22:38:49 GMT
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Organization: Teradyne Inc., Telecommunications Division

In article <1988@spam.ua.oz>, jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew) writes:
> In article <1992Dec24.143406.17770@news.uiowa.edu> durrell@pinball.arcade.uiowa.edu (Bryant Durrell) writes:
>>In article <1967@spam.ua.oz> jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew) writes:
> 
>>>I am not aware of a single (positive) character in any of his books who
>>>could not be accurately described as a WASP American. If they are not
>>>WASP's then it is incidental.

Why do I feel you haven't read alot of Heinlein? As I remember, in _Starship
Troopers_ the central character Juan, was Phillipino. In _Moon is a harsh
mistress_ Manny was Black, as I recall. I think you're making an unsupported
assumption without having sufficient fact to back it up. I would have to say
that Both were about as "positive" characters as you can get.

In 'Sixth Column" one of the Central Characters was Japanese American. In
"Stranger in a Strange Land" as has already been stated, a Central Character
was Moslem. 

Need I go on ?

J.R.
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From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: New Literacy - Pre-Not_Riviews!
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:53:39 GMT

I've read two 'reviews' of The_Gripping_Hand - both are explanations of
why Niven and Pournelle are so NOT-PC that the 'reviewer' is not going
to read the book mentioned in their subject line. 8-)

Please! Folks, post with a subject line like "This Isn't About The
Gripping Hand", OK?

Man, please!
jim p.
-- 
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Madison,AL (205)461-4922  
i need to ask myself.....
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From: tbmg9061@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas B MacIukenas)
Subject: Re: Davis Mechanics (was Re: John Woods Campbell)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:43:15 GMT

hwt@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (Henry Troup) writes:

>This is one I can't figure out.  Consider a steel bar, in free space, a
>long way from anywhere, one light-year long.  place a large rocket
>against one end, and turn it on.  Let it run for 364 days.  Turn it off.
>What has happened?  Try it again with an incompressible rod - if the rod
>moves, the message reached the far end faster than light.  If the rod
>doesn't move, where'd the momentum go?

Well, there's no such thing as an incompressible rod.  No matter what you
build your rod out of, you can never get shock waves to travel faster
than the speed of light within it, so the rod will compress.
-- 
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                           Do not trust them.
From: pjhst10+@pitt.edu (Peter   J Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Xenocide Sequel?
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:47:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

I think that there are many things that could be tied up in a sequel.  The
government is still scared as hell of the Descolada. What about the hive
queen and the piggies wanting to found there own colonies. Just as I think
that a sequel to alien is possible, since you do not need Ripley to have
a movie about the aliens, You do not need Ender to talk about Card's 
universe.

pjhst10+@pitt.edu


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From: you@where.ever.you.are
Subject: Re: Dave Duncan
Organization: TheNews 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:33:11 GMT

In article <TOMW.93Jan6184310@orac.asd.sgi.com> tomw@orac.asd.sgi.com (Tom
Weinstein) writes:

Stuff Deleted


>I feel the same way.  I just finished _The_Cutting_Edge_, and I loved
>it.  At first reading, I didn't like the end of _Emperor_and_Clown_, but
>after reading TCE, I think I like it better.
>

Emperor and Clown??  Is that the next one?  Where did you get it??  WHY CAN'T I
FIND IT IN MY BOOKSTORE???!!!???  

Jim


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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: Ambiguous Covers  (Don't bother if you don't like self-flaming :)
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:25:53 GMT

In article <C0oCHD.5H0@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki) writes:

>book (at which point I precede to read the book again, I think
                        ^^^^^^^
                                 I should learn to proofread.

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: klaus@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Red electrons
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:07:58 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen

djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:


>Well, of *course* electrons are red.  What did you expect?  They're all
>atheists (have you ever heard of a good Christian electron?), and they
>hold their nuclei in common.  They'll swap orbits at a moment's notice.

>I understand that the Government has been investigating electrons for
>many years now.

>Neutrons are . . . shall we say . . . a bit pink also.  But protons are
>good American particles.

Actually neutrons and protons are made up of quarks, which come in
different colors.

Klaus O K