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From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Christian Ripoffs
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:44:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.230935.741@pictel.com> harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling) writes:
>In article <1992Jul18.015207.16457@aero.org> sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien) writes:
>>
>>There's one artist in
>>particular who rips whoever was on the charts that year, even using
>>the same synth sounds to do the same chord progressions to do the
>>same melodies....I can't believe he gets away with it!!
>
>And he does it brilliantly, if I may say so.  I don't generally like it
>when somebody changes words but leaves the music intact, this is
>because the music *as an artistic expression* is completely
>unoriginal.  However, people like Weird Al Yankovic *parody*
>contemporary music.  While parody requires a lot of imagination and
>creativity, a sign of its genius is how *closely* it resembles the
>original without losing its "parodic" (is that a word?) nature.
>
>In this case, he generally makes the music as close to the original as
>possible, so that only the words stand out.  You could just as easily
>parody the music and keep the lyrics the same, or do a little bit of
>both, such as the rendition that I always wanted to do: "Stairway to
>Heaven" as sung by Elmer Fudd.  The more that you keep the same, the
>more the differences stand out.
>
>BTW, I am pretty sure that he gets permission before doing a parody of
>someone's song, as part of the parody involves mimicking the original
>as closely as possible in one way or another.  I saw an interview with
>him in which he said that most artists are very cooperative, but that
>one artist in particular (it was Prince, but he did not mention any
>names himself) had consistently refused his consent.

Who? Wierd Al? That's not who I was talking about. I was talking about
a Christian artist whose albums are always a rehash of whatever was
on the charts the year before -- same sounds and mixes and copies of
songs that had just recently charted. They are not exact copies, of
course, but so close that you can tell he sat down with the record and
changed it just enough to get away with it, then stuck some lyrics
on top with ho-hum melodies. I'm not naming names because I'm just
saying that I hate that kind of artistic laziness and I have to change
away from the Christian station whenever his stuff comes on. I'm
wondering why you thought I was talking about Wierd Al?

               --Stacey :-)
From: paiz@Ingres.COM (OUR HOPE IS DEEPER THAN THE PAIN WE OFTEN FEEL)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: magazines
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:59:33 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

my subscription to CCM is about to expire, so before I go ahead and subscribe,
I would like to know if there are other magazines that deal more with non-main-
stream music (i.e. one that deals more with King's X than with Sandi Patty).

Any and all info would be helpfull.

thanks

erwin

paiz@ingres.com
From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: RE:CCM on College Radio
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:58:25 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa


        The best way to get record service for a rock oriented (or any other)
radio show is to report to Pure Rock Report.  If any radio people need the
address/ph# mail me.  No radio station or show should have to buy their music. 
Ever.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller)
Subject: Re: And I thought this was a MUSIC news group!
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:01:57 GMT

>	Why is there so many articles about non-MUSIC Christian stuff or
>Non-Christian Music stuff????????

>	Is Kings-X a "christian" group?
Yes, it is a group made up of Christians and its songs are usually heavily 
Christian, with more Biblical allusion than you can shake a stick at.

>	Does Mike Warnke sing?
Not to my knowledge, but he is very active in the CCM community, and his
stuff is released on "albums."  Music without music, one might call it.

>	Does being a Baptist have some musical connatations with it?
Sure.  Everybody knows the Baptists have most of the cool hymns.
(I'm Lutheran, and go Anglican sometimes, and boy do the hymns stink.)

>	Is everyone posting here because S.R.C is too tightly moderated?
Yes.
The SRC moderator doesn't want a whole lot of blow-by-blow Warnke stuff, 
for example.

I, for one, like the freedom to just be able to say something to this group
without a moderator cutting it (or worse, putting those obnoxiously long
bracketed comments after it).

Ernest Mueller
.
From: marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Indigo Girls
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:12:08 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Anyone listen to the Indigo Girls?  What's their story?  I've been wondering if
they are Christians or not.  As I listen to their music, I get the impression
that they have BAs in Philosophy and Theology, and then had to get their
feelings out in the way they could express themselves best...musically (this is
all speculation, so don't take any of this for fact, I was just reading their
lyrics and thinking about why they would ponder these things)

Anyway, if ANYONE has ANY info on them, please post or e-mail.

Thanks,
Evan Marshall
marshall1198@iscsvax.uni.edu
From: pearsodc@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (D)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Mike Warnke update part 2
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:35:06 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


I wrote yesterday morning to s.r.c:
> This is getting interesting, folks.
> 
> I downloaded the Warnke article from the Washington Universtiy archive  
> (wuarchive.wustl.edu) this morning and have browsed through the article.   
> My first reaction is to say that it is the best researched, best  
> referenced article I've read in my life.  In this face of this article, 
> I have no choice but to say Mike Warnke's only reasonable response to 
> this controversy is to remove himself from his ministry.
> 
> I find it incredible that Word/Dayspring is actually standing behind 
> Mike Warnke.  I think it a reasonable question to ask what Word's real 
> motives are behind this move.  If the Cornerstone allegations are false 
> and libelous, as Mike says that they are, then we're looking at a 
> conspiracy engineered by one of the most repected mags in the industry 
> involving no less than a hundred people (including members of Mike 
> Warnke's own family!), and likely more.  I can't believe that for a 
> second.
> 
> To further complicate things, Mike Warnke has released a NEW LIVE ALBUM.
> Its title is "Full Speed Ahead", if memory serves, and it couldn't have  
> been released more than two weeks ago - right around the time the  
> Cornerstone allegations were published, amazingly enough.
> 
> I will continue to keep both r.m.c and s.r.c abreast of new developments  
> as I find out about them.  PLEASE e-mail any new information (including 
> a copy of Mike Warnke and Word, Inc.'s response to the Cornerstone  
> allegations, if anybody has that) to pearsodc@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu, 
> so I can continue to compile and update.
> 
> There is a discussion on accountability and our response as Christians 
> to this controversy ongoing on rec.music.christian.  I encourage our 
> brothers and sisters in soc.religion.christian to join with any wisdom 
> they might have.
> 
> Continuing in prayer for Warnke Ministries,
> 
> clueless chuck
> PearsoDC@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu

I wrote that yesterday morning.  Since, I have read Part One of Warnke  
Ministries' response, and I'm getting more and more flabbergasted all of  
the time.  This is rapidly evolving to an "it's my word against yours"  
type of situation and somebody eventually is going to have to realize that  
the truth is eventually going to come out, whether it's in this world or  
the next.

I am starting to see why Word is standing behind Mike Warnke.  If Mike is  
lying, he has crafted his lie so brilliantly and has put so much of his  
time and energy into his lie that he likely believes it's actually true,  
and thus he's in the clutches of Satan while he believes he's ministering  
in the name of Jesus.  I daresay this is the most likely scenario.

Let's pray for the power of discernment through the Holy Spirit for all  
involved in this controversy.

clueless chuck
PearsoDC@NeXTWork.Rose-Hulman.Edu
From: HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey))
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Amy Grant is NOT a dirty word!
Date: 23 Jul 92 12:21:19 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <low-220792102128@l32282.mdc.com> low%ewsvax.decnet@mdcgwy.mdc.com (Jerry Low) writes:
>(I mean, come on, what's the most profound thing about "Baby, Baby"?).

Um...the miracle of a new human life?  Is this good enough for you?
In case you haven't read the album notes, the song is about her
daughter Millie, not some generic random guy on the street (as the
$%#$@# video producers at A&M would like you to think it is).

>Jerry Low
>MDSSC
>low%ewsvax.decnet@mdcgwy.mdc.com
>"The comments made here do not reflect the views of MDSSC"
>.
>.

--Jeffrey Holton
hj46%lafayacs.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu
The comments here reflect the views of me.
From: HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey))
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: RE: IMHO
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:29:32 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <BrFpL8.197@apollo.hp.com> joni@apollo.HP.COM (Joni Sini) writes:
>I have just tapped into this newsgroup,
>Can someone tell me what IMHO means... ?
>I'm sure its embarrassingly simple... but I dont get it..?
>
>thanks,
>joni
>.
>.

I'm sure 5x10^6 people have already answered this, but in my humble
opinion, it means "in my humble opinion."

I could be wrong though.  :)

--Baboo
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: chaplin@keinstr.uucp (Roger Chaplin)
Subject: Re: This zip thing
Organization: Keithley Instruments, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:47:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.224441.6667@ccd.harris.com> ras@controls.ccd.harris.com (Russell Soule) writes:

[ description of what he did -- see the reference article ]
>When I did all this, all of my text files had a bunch of ^M characters in it.
>It makes the files more difficult to read. Does anyone have a quick and easy
>way to remove these? A sed script perhaps???
>
>Anyway, thoses are the steps I followed to unzip the article. I hope they
>work for you.

I suspect (and this is a big assumption) that you got the public-domain
unzip which was created by the INFO-ZIP folks.  IF that is the case,
then you can use the -a switch to tell unzip to put `proper'
end-of-line termination into the extracted files.
-- 
Roger Chaplin / Instruments Division Engineering / "Worry does not empty
chaplin@keinstr.uucp / CI$: 76307,3506          / tomorrow of sorrow -
#include <disclaimer.h>                        / it empties today of strength."
#include "disclaimer.h" /* cover all bases */ /               - Corrie ten Boom
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Subject: Re: Opinions on the Grateful Dead? (no flames, please)
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:34:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.141345.4595@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
|> In article <1992Jul28.225208.16168@meaddata.com> mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:

Thanks for all the feedback Andrew, Kim, Jim, and Charles, I really
liked your comments!! All good points. I never was a (or knew any)
hard core "Dead Heads".  I went to 2 area concerts, and really enjoyed
them.  You've really helped me to understand where the Grateful Dead
"reputation" possibly comes from.

|> No flames intended toward you, Mary.  Keep on truckin', one way or
|> the other.  

No problem!  Thanks again, you all, for taking the time to answer.

|> But I'm curious.  How can a fan of the Grateful Dead
|> appreciate misty-eyed, over-emoting soloists at church?  :-)

Welll... now, now, Andy. ;) I don't get misty eyed because the soloist
over-emoted, I get misty eyed because God used the soloist to touch
me!  And to be honest, I don't really appreciate the songs the
authentically-emoting soloist sings nearly as much as I appreciate the
soloist themselves for sharing it with us.

I like all kinds of music, though... from the Judds, to Ray Boltz, to
Bryan Duncan, to Lisa Bevill, to (my 2nd newest favorite) King's X to
(my newest favorite) Adam Again... I just happen to concentrate on the
alternative (sometimes hard alternative) side when purchasing music.
	
By the way... THANKS TO ANYONE WHO RECOMMEDED ADAM AGAIN!!! That is
the absolute closest thing to "what I was originally looking for" that
I've found yet!  THANKS AGAIN!

_______________________________________________________________________
Mary Ries            | Die, v.:                     | Software Engineer
mcr@meaddata.com     |    To stop sinning suddenly. | Mead Data Central
..uunet!meaddata!mcr |           -- Elbert Hubbard  | Dayton, Ohio
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: schouten@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten)
Subject: Re: Listen up all you ALARM fans...
Organization: Center for Supercomputing R & D
	<1992Jul24.092552.20089@kingston.ac.uk>
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:31:58

In article <1992Jul24.092552.20089@kingston.ac.uk> rock@Kingston.AC.UK (Paul Rock) writes:
> 	After the sad demise of The Alarm last June (my only claim
> to fame is that I was there),
I'm sorry, but I'm a little out of touch.  I didn't realize they'd
broken up, but this statement that you were `there' has me really
curious.  What do you mean exactly?
I really liked their first 2 albums (The Alarm & Declaration), is any
of the stuff you mentioned similar to that?

Thanks
Dale schouten@uiuc.edu
From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: CCM Industry Pressure
Date: 22 Jul 92 22:09:13 GMT
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Jul22.054657.8990@pencom.com>, meo@pencom.com (Jaime Retief, IV)
> At the time Leslie became Sam, what I read <(edited)> she was tired of the       
pressures to be perfect (something
> anyone in the spotlight, especially that of Christianity, must
> constantly deal with.  (Note that such pressures come from
> a variety of people with differing, often conflicting, views
> of the Godhood they demand another attain.)
        In Dig Hay Zoose's press conferecne at Cornerstone, the drummer, Jimmy,
mentioned this.  The specific situation he related was somebody from a church
that was sponsoring a show being shocked to hear Soundgarden comming out of a
band member's car.  Jimmy's question was "How did you know it was Soundgarden?"                           
> Also, I have a friend who wanted to be in the Christian Music
> Industry (not as a ministry, per se, but she is a Christian,
> and that's where she looked first to perform).  She gave up
> on that after nearly being ripped off by some producers, at
> least one of whom is well-known.
        As a member of King's X stated in a Crosswalk interview, "At least in
the secular market we expect people to stab us in the back (so we're ready for
it)."
From: superc@sam.ksu.ksu.edu (Shawn E Chase)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: heard of Arrested Development??
Date: 31 Jul 1992 10:08:58 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.ksu.ksu.edu


Has anyone here heard of Arrested Development, a rap group. I heard one of their
song's the other day, Tennessee, on a local secular station, and the lyrics were
a breath of fresh air. They talked about how even though their Lord is far above
them, their relationship with eachother is a friendship, etc. It reminded me a
lot of the Christian's relationship with Jesus. Per chance, are these guys
Christians. If anyone knows for sure, I'd be delighted to hear from you. Thanks,


-- 
Shawn E. Chase             "Live like you'll die tomorrow,
SuperC@Matt.KSU.Edu         die knowing you'll live forever."
aka Tha Hood of Good        -Rich Mullins 'Live Right'
               "I'm not having a fit...I'm having a BENEfit!!!" -Larry Lea
From: tbromley.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Rumors.....
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:11:40 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

gt5448b@prism.gatech.EDU (James Corbett) writes:

> 
> I hate to pry into one's personal life, but I saw a small article in the Sund
> Atlanta Journal-Constitution which I just could not believe.  The article 
> said that Sandi Patti recently filed for divorce.  Was this just a misprint o
> have others heard this?

Sad to say, but it is true.  It has been widely reported in South Florida
papers and in the USA Today.  Apparently the strain began when Helvering 
(Patti's husband) was also her manager, and they were unable to have a 
life separate from their work. 
According to USA Today, no reconciliation is possible.

Tom Bromley
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: cb062@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ira C. Smith)
Subject: Re: Michael W. Smith
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:34:55 GMT


   I think the point in many cases. Is not the aspect of
crossing over, but the motive. MWS, love the guys music,
HOWEVER, if A Place in This World is a spiritual song, as was my
first impression, how in the world do we get a love song out of
it????? Walking through the desert looking for a woman????

   If the phases,
 If there were millions down on there knees,
among the many can you still here me.......

and 

I need your light to help me find........

were about the woman, Sounds like idolatry to me.

I dont think that was his ORIGINAL intent of the song. The words
state this. So, why did he change it, to bring glory to God?,
To bring others to Christ?? 
This is what I was refering to when I was talking about 
compromising to fit the mold. If we are supposed to be diff-
rent, why do we always have to conform to be heard?

 -Chris
From: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Phil Keaggy's "Time"
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:22:14 GMT
Reply-To: heiser@fretz.enet.dec.com (Michael A. Heiser)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Phoenix, AZ


It was a farm accident.  A water well pump fell on his finger when he was
4 (learned to play without it).  He sings about it on the title track of
his "Way Back Home" album.
--

    Mike
    
    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
       - wilde silas tomkyn
From: jean@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan Powell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Are there any Christian industrial bands?
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:01:09 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <92205.162053IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>Could someone please list the names of Christian industrial bands
>whose sound is similar to bands such as Nine Inch Nails and the
>Ministry?  Thanks!

Check out a band called Mortal.  They are produced by Terry Taylor, and
the band is somewhat more intense than Skinny Puppy, but less violent than
Ministry, and less techno than NIN.  One of the best industrial bands that
I have heard--period--secular or Christian.  The album that I have is
called "Lucis".  And there is no question about these guys faith--the
lyrics are right on the money.

Well worth the trouble to find them.

Jonathan
From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Suggestions for church library
Date: 31 Jul 92 02:58:10 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <1992Jul30.220113.8214@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.011334.16732@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> crow@coos.dartmouth.e
>du (Preston F. Crow) writes:
>>My church librarian is a bit out of touch with the CCM market, but wants
>>to maintain our collection.  If I was to give her a list of 20 "must haves,"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Heed the Call - The Imperials
  i might substitute "Sail On" for this album. 
  but whatever, an _some_ imperials album should appear >

[other suggestions deleted]
[but they are still good] 

>Sar of the Morning? - Leon Patillo
  is that meant to be sTar of the morning?
  in any case, i don't remember anything of LP that merits inclusion
  in a top 20. 

i think a Keith Green album ought to included, too. 
  Perhaps _No Compromise_ (the one that he sang, not the recent compilation
  of KG songs by other artists)

Steve Taylor -- _Meltdown_. Good introduction to "thinking christian music"
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: mugsy@winton.uucp (Cyberpunk)
Subject: Re: Are there any Christian industrial bands?
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, MA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:10:35 GMT

In article <92205.162053IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>Could someone please list the names of Christian industrial bands
>whose sound is similar to bands such as Nine Inch Nails and the
>Ministry?  Thanks!
>
>Andie.


Here are a few from a compilation disk orignating in the Seattle, WA area:

L.S.U. 					   |	Blackhouse
c. Blonde Vinyl Records/Ttonk Publishing   |    c. Blackhouse Music
Correspondence:				   |
P.O. Box 5666				   | 	Ladd-Frith
Huntington Beach, CA 92646		   |	P.O. Box 967
					   |	Eureka, CA 95502


Hope this helps (a little...)
-- 
+ Michael G. Bruce|___                   *  "Let your light shine before men" |
| mugsy@winton.wpi.edu|__________       | |  ---***---***---***---***---***-  +
+ Worcester Polytechnic Institute|____  | | 'Better to light one candle, than |
| If only I could express my opinions...|_|    to curse the darkness'       +
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: cee1@ra.msstate.edu (Charles Evans)
Subject: MWS New Album Update
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:48:06 GMT

The WORD distributor was in the neighborhood Xian book store, and said,
Smitty's new album is out _September 4_ and as yet, untitled. Gotta go back
again and see if he gave indication to the style he has taken on this
albumm will keep you posted

Amy's gotta a Christmas album coming out

-- 
Charles E. Evans           /  o     / Whereforeseeingwealsoarecompassedabout
cee1@ra.msstate.edu       / ./|\   / withsogreatacloudofwitnesses,letuslayaside
		         /   /|'  / everyweight,andthesindothsoeasilybesetus,
cee1@msstate.bitnet     /    , ' / andletusRUNwithpatiencetheracethatissetB4us.