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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:26:46 CDT
Reply-To:     cmanis@csoftec.csf.com
From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Subject: Researching: Shrader
Comments: To: "Genealogy Information" <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

I would appreciate a note from anyone having the surname "Shrader"
in your genealogical database.

Some of the SHRADER family came from Ireland, into PA, to Maryland, and
down into East Tennessee during the early 1800's

Some of the info I have is that a G. Christopher SHRADER married Mary
WEBB ca 1770, came to Sevier Co, TN, and one of their children was
Elizabeth SHRADER born ca 1799, died 19 Feb 1885.

Elizabeth and John BIRD had ten children, one of which was my
Great-Grandmother Frances Amanda BIRD.  Frances married
Thomas D. A. F. S. Manis 18 may 1865 in Sevier County, TN, shortly
after he returned from the Civil War (Union Army).  DAFS was initials
for "Dee Arnold Francis Scott" and he used these initials when signing
everything all during the Civil War, making him very easy to follow.

These families are direct kin.

I would appreciate any info at all on any SHRADER names from
anywhere.

Thanks ..cliff

Cliff Manis         K4ZTF        Manis/Manes Family History
Researching: MANIS MANES WHITEHORN CANTER BIRD FRANCIS NEWMAN
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 11:11:00 CDT
From:         GLWARNER@SAMFORD.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Looking for Saginaw contact
              4 Apr 1992 20:05:31 GMT from <kem@CSRI.TORONTO.EDU>

ln Sat, 4 Apr 1992 20:05:31 GMT Kem Luther said:
>Anyone out there who is connected with a genealogical society
>in an area which covers Saginaw, Michigan, who could check to
>see if there are cards or files deposited by someone who might have
>worked on the families of Rebecca (nee Rodabaugh) Augustin or Clara
>E. (nee Rodabaugh) Judy (she married Charles Judy)?  These sisters were in
>Saginaw ca 1920.

I have a third cousin who is president of a genealogy society for a county
NEAR Saginaw, but not Saginaw itself.  He might be able to put you in touch
with someone there.

I will look up his phone number and address as soon as I remember.
(Its at home)


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From: J.D..Farmer@f44.n130.z1.fidonet.org (J.D. Farmer)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Ref.: Evans
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1992 05:05:00

 On 04-01-92 Lianne Hoskins wrote to All... 
 
 LH> I picked up a few books at the Los Angeles Public Library's book sale, 
 LH> and thought I'd let you folks have a shot at them before I donate them 
  
 LH>   HOSKINSON  KLAUSER  KOEPSELL  CUTSINGER | Lianne      
 LH>                                           | Cal State, Long Beach        
       HOLDORF  QUICK  LAMB  BRENT  EVANS      |  
 LH> Internet:lianne@beach.csulb.edu                              
   * Origin: Dallas/Ft.Worth Usenet Gateway (1:124/2206.0) 
  
        Lianne, 
        Noticed you were interested in Evans. Have a book "Evan's Family 
        History". My Garndmother passed it on to me. I've only browsed it 
        and that was awhile ago. It was privately printed locally. If  
        you have any interest, I'll check it for you and copy anything  
        you might want. 
 
        J.D. 
 
 
... OFFLINE 1.36 

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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:17:22 EDT
From:         Me <BIHINKLE@ECUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Davenport family
              6 Apr 1992 14:14:33 EDT from <jatremba@SYMMETRY.CS.MTU.EDU>

Sorry,

  My Davenports are from Virginia.  Col. William Davenport was a hero in the ba
ttle of King's Mountain during the Revolutionary War.  It's a pretty commen nam
e, which makes it hard to research.  Good Luck.



                                               Ashley Hinkle
From: brian@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Brian Phillips)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:59:12 GMT
Subject: John and Anna Phillips VA-1700s?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: soc.roots




      Researching Phillips in VA
      _____________________________
      PHILLIPS (VA, TN, KY, MO, OR)
      RICE (VA, KY, OR)
      BECK (IL, OR)

      I am looking for all information regarding John and Anna Phillips,
      originally from VA.  John was born about 1763.  I don't have Anna's
      maiden name.  One of their sons, Jesse (could use more evidence), was 
      also born in VA in about 1793 and then moved with/without father John 
      to KY and then to MO.  Jesse married Mary (Polly) Reathorford, in Adair
      County KY on 6 June 1814.  Jesse fathered John Phillips who married 
      Julia Ann Taylor in Ray County MO, and later travelled to OR by wagon 
      train, eventually pleasing me a great deal.  

      John and Anna had other children and many of them were either born or
      lived in KY and are listed in marriage records (Adair) there.  Their 
      names are:
          Elizabeth (b.abt 1805, d. bef 30 Nov 1865, sp John Paul,16 Dec 1818)
          Richard   (b.abt 1808, d. bef 30 Nov 1865, sp Sarah/Sally, abt 1828)
          John      (b.unk, d. bef 30 Nov 1865, sp America Stallions,Jan 1810)
          Barbery   (b.unk, d. bef 30 Nov 1865, sp Andrew Shepherd,Jun 1819)
          Katherine (b.unk, d. bef 30 Nov 1865, sp Zacharia M. Paul, Mar 1835)
          Mary      (b.unk, d. unk, sp Fowler)        
          Sarah     (b.unk, d. aft 30 Nov 1865, sp Colvin)
          Nancy     (b.unk, d. unk, sp James Ready, Feb 1819)
          George    (b.abt 1816, d. abt 1855, sp Mary G. Paul, May 18
          
      Any information about John and Anna and/or their families would be   
      greatly appreciated.  I'm also interested in the Phillips records from
      MO where a number of the family remained.  "listserv@VM1.NODAK.EDU"
      NEVER answers when I mail to it.  Is it dead?  
     
      Regards,

      Brian Phillips
      brian@hpcvxbjp.cv.hp.com

      work:                  home:
      Hewlett Packard Co.    37574 River Drive
      1000 NE Circle Blvd    Lebanon,  OR  97355
      Corvallis,  OR  97330  PH: 503-259-3855
      PH: 503-750-4024 
 
      
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:12:46 -0500
From:         "Kathy O'Meara Magnuson 1825/A-1W 708/982-4596"
              <omeara@SKCLA.MONSANTO.COM>
Subject: RE: CHICAGO - research suggestions (temporary / current)
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu@tin.monsanto.com
Comments: cc: OMEARA@tin.monsanto.com

>Sandra Rozhon (aa581@cleveland.freenet.edu) said:
>I'll be visiting Chicago, Illinois for a couple of days next month and would
>like to do some research while I'm there.
>I want to use my time as efficiently as possible, so I'm hoping someone who
>has done some research in Chicago can give me some tips on where to go first.

Though I live here, I've not done local research; so didn't reply.  However,
I offer the following as related info.  (From reports this morning, I gather
the flooding of the Loop tunnels from the Chicago River breakthru has gone
broader than just local news.)  The 10pm (full coverage) news last night
showed a worker at City Hall (the poor man looked almost in tears) patting
and stroking stacks of ledgers piled in the City Hall Lobby with tarps thrown
on them.  He was saying they'd managed to get them above before they were
destroyed.  He described them as "invaluable, priceless and irreplaceable"
and stated that these books were ones in which old marriage records were
entered by hand, one line/record (so there must be _many_ records in them).
From what you could see on the spines, they seemed to be from the 1800s and
they were literally piled on the Lobby floor.  A sad sight...
(I hate to say it but, if they considered them so valuable, what were doing
down in the sub-sub-sub basement, apparently unprotected; not historically
sealed; they don't even appear to have been packed up!)
Specific to your request, perhaps these were never used for direct searching
anyway, but I wouldn't bet they'd be available for public use at any time in
the near future.
This morning they were reporting fish in the lobby of the State of Illinois
Center...								-kom-

Kathy O'Meara Magnuson
OMEARA@SKCLA.MONSANTO.COM
From: aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: CHICAGO - research suggestions?
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:00:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr13.020041.11707
Reply-To: aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


I'll be visiting Chicago, Illinois for a couple of days next month and would
like to do some research while I'm there.

I have a lot of possible leads that I obtained from census records and now
I'd like to try to obtain more information on the families I found.  My guess
is that a look at the birth, death, or marriage records might give me more
clues to the ROZHON origins.  Is it possible to visit the repositories for
these documents and look through them?  Or are they off-limits to researchers?

I want to use my time as efficiently as possible, so I'm hoping someone who
has done some research in Chicago can give me some tips on where to go first.

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From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: CHICAGO - research suggestions?
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:55:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Apr15.225507.25628
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr13.020041.11707@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
 aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon) writes:
>I'll be visiting Chicago, Illinois for a couple of days next month and would
>like to do some research while I'm there.

Other people have pointed out official archives and such, and warned you
about the flooding downtown (though things should be back to normal by May).

I'd like to at least mention the Newberry Library, an absolutely marvelous
historical library with a heavy emphasis on genealogical collections.

Their hours, last I checked, were T/W/Th 10-6;  F/Sat 9-5 (closed Sun/M).
Phone is 312/943-9090.

Directions:  take Lake Shore Drive to Ohio, or get off and take Michigan 
Avenue to around 900 North (two blocks north of the Water Tower).  Turn
west on Walton and go about 3 blocks.

Enjoy your trip,
--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
From: tfj@cix.compulink.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: What is current GEDCOM spec?
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:16:37 GMT
Reply-To: Trevor Jenkins <tfj@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Organization: Gated to News by demon.co.uk

In reply to <1992Apr14.032605.8770@demon.co.uk>
Kathleen Much (kmuch@prg.ox.ac.uk) in <3285@inca.comlab.ox.ac.uk>
suggests:

> You can take your own diskette (formatted for DOS) with your GEDCOM
> file on it to a LDS center and ask for instructions. Or if you use the
> LDS program PAF to collect your data, you can send it in via modem.

Unfortunately, I do not (yet) wish to make a submission to LDS
rather I was asking how to get my comments upon the GEDCOM
spefication itself to the appropriate department of the LDS.

> There are instructions in the PAF manual, and the communications
> program is included on the program diskette.

I'm not using PAF but rather writing my own application hence the
need to clarify points in the _standard_. Also, the only file that I
would want to submit does NOT conform to the PAF conventions nor is it
in DOS format. :-(

> ... As of February (the last time I was at a Family History Center),
> the Utah office did not have email. I recommended that they get an
> Internet connection pronto!

If someone involved with them reads this news group perhaps they will
take the hint. :-)
 
Trevor Jenkins
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From: saw@hallc1.cebaf.gov (Stephen A. Wood)
Subject: Genealogy software via anonymous ftp
Reply-To: saw@hallc1.cebaf.gov (Stephen A. Wood)
Organization: CEBAF (Continuous Electron Beam Accelerator Facility)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:19:41 GMT

There is a anonymous ftp site for genealogy related files located at
hallc1.cebaf.gov (129.57.7.19).  This site is primarily for programs as
genealogy text files are available at other sites.  However some text
files, particularly large ones may be found here compressed into ZIP files.

The following files have been added since the last announcement to
soc.roots about this ftp site.

 49152 Mar  4 rdfc.zip      Converts RDF to Gedcom
 39936 Mar  4 forest13.zip  Forest V1.3 shows number of "trees"

117661 Mar 10 namev208.zip  Nameview Version 2.08 by Ray Cox
  7495 Mar 14 germ-ltr.txt  German form letters
   666 Mar 14 germ-sym.txt  German genealogical symbols
 30720 Mar 14 gbbs9203.zip  March list of genealogy BBSs by Richard Pence.
  2376 Mar 14 german.zip    German Genealogical Association info
  6088 Mar 14 igen9112.zip  BBS list for International Genealogy Conference
  6400 Mar 14 scotgen5.zip  List of clan genealogists/R. McLaren
  4206 Mar 14 startgen.lzh  Tips on starting your genealogical research

149760 Mar 24 clangrf.exe   Self-extracting genealogy program
			(Get clan202.zip instead)
  4158 Mar 24 deutgene.zip  German genealogy helps
 30419 Mar 24 ez_tree.zip   EZ_TREE genealogy program
240886 Mar 24 herit101.lzh  HERITAGE v1.01, new FH database from Wales - D.
			(herit105 coming soon)

 36514 Apr  4 etz.zip       Genealogy tree maker
157777 Apr  4 famties.lzh   Family genealogy program
 50269 Apr  4 parents.lzh   Genealogy program to use through Windows 2
  2058 Apr  4 scot-par.zip  Scottish parish information

154856 Apr  8 clan202.zip   Clangraf with bug fixes.
  7859 Apr  9 scotarms.zip  How to acquire Scottish arms
 25828 Apr  9 search1.zip   Getting started   1/2
  3170 Apr  9 search2.zip   Getting started   2/2

Stephen Wood
Presently Searching: LAMB SHIFLETT HUMES LIMB TODD
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 08:35:00 EST
From:         FAC_DBOYDRUS@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      RE: UPDATED YANKEE MAGAZINE INDEX

I didn't find a match this time, but wish to say thanks for the effort and hope
you are able to continue doing this.
Dorothy Boyd-Rush
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:35:49 CDT
From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Subject:      Storage Area for GEDCOM files ?
Comments: To: "Genealogy Information" <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

Readers:

Does anyone know where is a storage area for GEDCOM files ?

Please reply to ROOTS-L about this, if you have an answer.

I would like to know if there is any system(s) around for the storage
of GEDCOM files, maybe with an INDEX of Names in the GEDCOM files, which
could be checked for interest and would allow the downloading of such
files if they contained a name(s) of interest.

Is it available on FidoNet at any of the sites ?

How about GEnie ?

How about CompuServe ?

How about Prodigy ?

or anyway else.... ? ? ?

Thanks for posting any information.  Info of this sort should be of
universal interest.

Good luck, and Thanks..  Cliff

Cliff Manis         K4ZTF        Manis/Manes Family History
Researching: MANIS MANES WHITEHORN CANTER BIRD FRANCIS NEWMAN
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:24:32 CDT
From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Subject:      GENEALOG: New File, srchfile
Comments: To: roots-l@VM1.NoDak.EDU

get genealog srchfile		How 2 search text on ROOTS-L

This 4138 byte ASCII file is available now on GENEALOG.

Contains : This file shows some of the ways to search for names or phrases
which have been passed in messages over the ROOTS-L Mailing List.
List.   There are many other commands which are not shown here.

This file may be requested by sending a message to: LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu
and only the following one-line of text

get genealog srchfile

      Please send your GENEALOG requests for files to address above
      and not ROOTS-L.
                           *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *

Depending on your interests, you may receive information by simply sending
the following one-line message to:  LISTSERV@VM1.Nodak.edu

/files roots-L      Complete listing of ROOTS-L files, which includes all
                    the files in GENEALOG, FAQ and FAMILY.

get faq index       Index of the FAQ (First Asked Questions) files

get family index    Index of the FAMILY (Surnames) Directory

review roots-l      Complete list of Names of ROOTS-L subscribers.

                           *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *

 Additional instructions about how to get files from Roots-L;

 from BITNET use:   tell listserv at ndsuvm1 get genealog [filetype]
 *             (or)
 *                  send listserv@ndsuvm1  get  genealog [filetype]
=-=-=-=-=
 On a DEC VAX VMS system you can use the send command.
      send  listserv@ndsuvm1  index  roots-l
=-=-=-=-=
 Instructions for getting a list of Roots-L subscribers.
      send  listserv@ndsuvm1  review  roots-l

 ROOTS-L Files are also available by anonymous FTP for users on the
 Internet.  FTP to VM1.NODAK.EDU (134.129.111.1) with userid
 anonymous and your e-mail address as the password.  Then enter
 CD ROOTS-L  to access the ROOTS-L disk.  You may use  DIR to
 list files in various groups,  Eg.  DIR FAMILY.*   and GET to
 retrieve the data,  Eg.  GET FAQ.INDEX.

 Please Note:  LISTSERV expects the two parts of the file name to be
 separated with a space while FTP uses a period (.).
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 05:38:04 CDT
From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Subject:      Re: King Magnus Barfot of Norway
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU
              EDP, Forest Res. Inst, Rotorua,              NZ" at Apr 8,
              92 10:00:48 am

Michelle:

Reference part of this message:
> From: "Michelle Woltman, <woltmanm@MOF.GOVT.NZ>
> Subject:      King Magnus Barfot of Norway
> A member of my family has been able to trace our family tree back to
> a King Magnus Barfot who was a King in Norway in 1093 - Aug 1103 when
> he was killed in battle.
> We have been unable to find any other information other than this and
> was wondering if anybody else out there has some information on him.

If you would like to store/put a copy of your information on GENEALOG
I would be happy to put it there for all to see.

Please send me a note.

Share you genealogy and family history with others.

later..cliff

Cliff Manis         K4ZTF        Manis/Manes Family History
Researching: MANIS MANES WHITEHORN CANTER BIRD FRANCIS NEWMAN
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:20:00 +0100
Reply-To:     TUR_C@cism.univ_lyon1.fr
From:         Christine TUR <KIKI@FRCISM51.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: predefin, france

>
>I have reason to think that some of my french ancestors may have come
>from a village (probably in the Pas de Calais) named Predefin.  The standard
>world atlases don't show Predefin, so it must be pretty small.  Does anyone
>have any information about the place?




Hello,

        I have found Predefin on a road map (scale 1/5000 000).
It's located not very far from St Omer and Bethune (something like that) :

O                                                 O  St Omer
 Boulogne/mer





                                                                       O Bethune
                                                 o Prefefin

        It's seems to be quite small indeed,and something not very common is
that the road stop at Predefin(may be they are several smaller roads that are
not put on the card).If you're interested I can send you a photocopy of the
map.

        Let me know.

        Regards,
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                        Christine TUR
                                        Universite Claude Bernard
                                        C.I.S.M.  - Bat 101
                                        43,bvd du 11 Novembre 1918
                                        69622 Villeurbanne Cedex
                                        FRANCE

                                        Tel : (+33) 72 44 83 61
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:55:00 EDT
From:         Trish <ESS@SNYGENVA.BITNET>
Subject:      BIRTH PLACES

On some information I have been getting from cousins about family members

show the birthplace as where the family was living at the time of the

birth.  I always thought the birthplace should be where they were born,

as in the village or city of the hospital where they were born.  What is

the real answer??

Pat
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