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From: sguha@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Saumyen Guha)
Subject: Re: Were there universities in India before the British went?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:53:50 GMT

In article <190f13INNbgi@bigboote.WPI.EDU> wizard@maxine.wpi.edu (Ajay Khanna) writes:
>The honorable A.Raman@massey.ac.nz (Anand) chanced to say:
>= Sometimes during a party, a date  or a dinner, an Indian is  liable to
>= get asked that  apparently innocent  question,  the irksome nature  of
>= which cannot be underestimated:
>= 
>= Did you have universities in your country before the British came?
>
>My response to that (if an American asked me) would be:
>	We did.  Did you have universities in your country before the
>	British came?
>
>You can use the above line in Australia and New Zealand, too :)
>
>On the more serious (and educational) note, we did.  That they were
>
 
My answer is also Yes!! But not the British Style Universities.To be
precise, several colleges under a single university like, Calcutta
Univ. , Bombay Univ. etc. Which ones are good or bad  is a different 
question and I don't want to start another Flame war.

Now, next question is what we Had?

Well, places like Nalanda and Taxshila(or Takhshila). They were indeed
completely residential universities where philosophy, astronomy, 
medicine had been taught. I am not aware of any other areas but
there are evidences for these areas. I believe, maths used be taught 
under astronomy. There are lots of info. at the library, adjacent to
the Museum, opposite to Nalanda ruins.

regards,
-Saumyen



>-dat friendly wizard (Ajay Khanna)


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Subject: Re: Inquiry .....
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 01:29:09 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: Terrorism?
Summary: Terrorism?
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>Booby Sands and four others who fasted to death in the Northern
>Ireland
>jail (I think county Antrim) practiced Gandhism, at least
>according
>the Jyothirmoy Basu's speech in the parliament. Bobby Sands was
>a member of IRA and convicted murderer. Even if he conducted the
>fast under the full blaze of the publicity given by the terrorist
>wing
>of the Amnesty international, Bobby Sands was a terrorist! Period!

>So is this terrorist that you mention above!  Whether he refuses
>to take food and die, or he is denied food so that he starves to
>death is immaterial. The terrorist got what he deserved.
>
...kt

Such a load of crap - the above. Sorry I am not personally
attacking U but just your understanding of the Northern Ireland
situation. It is the Brit'shits'(English- from England) who are the
real terrorists up in Northern Ireland.  Bobby Sands and others are
only 'freedom fighters' - they are/were sick and tired of being
supressed. Just 'cause the Brit'shits' branded them as terrorists
means nothing. 

Bobby Sands and mates had a more violent approach in their quest
for freedom. On capture they moved to the next feasible action
possible. DO NOT brand them as terrorists without understanding the
history and the politics of Britain. The English throughout history
have used the term 'savages' to violently supress civilizations.
Today they call them terrorists. I am surprised with the above.

John Ainikkal
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
From: harihara@methacrylate.ecn.purdue.edu (Deepak Hariharan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: United Airlines
Keywords: UA, itinerary
Date: 11 Sep 92 02:38:00 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Round the world flights:

These flights will use three aircrafts; B737, B747 and B767ER.


== Timetable for United Airlines Round the World Flight UA1/UA2 ==

                 Valid after Febrauary 10. 1993

UA1(West Bound)

Los Angeles    dep  1- 9:00      B737-300
San Francisco  arr  1-10:27
               dep  1-11:30      B747-400
Hong Kong      arr  2-18:20
               dep  2-19:50      B767-300ER
Delhi          arr  2-22:45
               dep  3-06:50
London/LHR     arr  3-11:25
               dep  3-13:05
New York/JFK   arr  3-16:15
               dep  3-17:45
Los Angeles    arr  3-21:03


UA2(East Bound)

Los Angeles    dep  1-08:30      B767-300ER
New York/JFK   arr  1-16:51
               dep  1-18:45
London/LHR     arr  2-06:45
               dep  2-08:55
Delhi          arr  2-23:30
               dep  3-01:35
Hong Kong      arr  3-09:00
               dep  3-12:30      B747-400
San Francisco  arr  3-08:25
               dep  3-10:00      B737-300
Los Angeles    arr  3-11:26

  Total Mileage: 19,717 miles


	This may be of some interest to somebody.

	Deepak
	harihara@ecn.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Kashmir Campaign (Why no one has answered?)
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 09:21:37 GMT

hdeshma@eos.ncsu.edu (HARSHAVARDHAN  DESHMANE) writes:

>If you are askng about why Sardar Patel did what he did, what do you think
>I am, some medium to talk to his spirit and ask him ?


This question is the basic of all.
Sardar Patel was the home minister then.
If the land has selected one line then that line is to be followed.
If playing like what is in my benifit then have to be ready for the all
trouble.
In case of KAshmir India and PAkistan has done so.
Hence, both of them are spending lots of money on it.

>For your next qs, dear lost soul, the search for TRUTH is an eternal one,
>and I wouldnt be breaking back working here, if *I* knew the answer,
>\ref{ arindam for guidance; maybe he has some clues}

>Besides the PM of Kashmir was the people's leader and was not oppressing them.
>unlike in junagad,etc.

>what about my other stupid question: where are you from?
>Why do have this strong suspicion that you have never seen Kashmir, forget
>about the "plight" of Kashmiri people.

Why do you ask personal questions?

>While you are at the "freedom for all terrorists thing", why arent you
>stridently screaming for Sindhi freedom in pakistan, or kurd freedom in 
>iraq. or whichver is the minority in afghanistan?

IF you had read my posting on s.c.i.and s.c.p. in the past then you would 
not have asked this question?

>Reading your postings, i feel that inexplicably the sole satisfying thing
>in your life would be to see india in  disarray. Care to explain why?
>Mr.Adil?

Would you stop asking personal questions, Mr. Harsh?

Bye
Adil


>-harsh deshmane 

>-- 
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>Harshavardhan Deshmane                                 I had a signature
>ECE Dept.,                                             it became an address:(
>North Carolina State University.                       had@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu
From: krishna@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Krishna Ganugapati)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: NEIPA Presentation (New England Area)
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:14:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA


		NEW ENGLAND INDIAN PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION
			Presentation Seris

Topic:	
------
	News Behind the News 
		and
	Obstacles and Opportunities for NRIs in India

Presentation By:
----------------
	Mr. Uppendra Nath Mishra
	Editor-in-chief, Asia Business Journal

	Uppendra Nath Mishra is the President and Editor-in-chief of Asia
Business Journal. The journal is published twice-a-month, and focusses
primarily on Asian economy and business trends. It is intended for
small-to-medium-sized business seeking to invest in new foreign markets.

	Mr. Mishra was formely the Chief and General Manager of United
Press Internaltional (UPI) for Mexico, Central America and Caribbean
division.

	Mr. Mishra received his MA and M.Phil degrees from the
Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi. He also received a MA degree
in International Journalism from the University of Southern California
in Los Angles. Mr. Mishra has studied at the Uninversity of Oslo,
Norway; El Colegio de Mexico, Mexico; and International American
Institute of Human Rights, Costa Rica.

Date and Time:
-------------
	Saturday, September 12, 1992, 4:00-5:00 p.m.

Location:
--------
	Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	Building 2, Room 190

Further Info:
-------------
	Sudhir Murthy
	NEIPA, P.O. Box 1345
	Waltham, MA 02254
	(617)894-4638

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: SALMAN RUSHDIE
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:47:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.203603.10289@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> banerjee@spot.Colorado.EDU (akb) writes:
>Boulder is a sleepy little town at the foot of the Rockies (though
>the natives tend to have a somewhat more grandiose opinion) and it

Not just the natives.. even the NY Times thinks so....

Boy, if you think of Boulder as a sleepy town, wait till you get to Fort
Collins!

Njan
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Naive Foreigners (Re: Nitya/abortion right
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:36:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Sep13.143646.26859
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

shalan@engr.latech.edu writes:
><	From prabhak@atto.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
><Subject: Naive Foreigners (Re: Nitya/abortion rights/s.s.chawathe)
>  		C'mon prabhakar, get a life.
>		<And other personal invectives>

    "What Paul says about Peter tells us more about Paul than Peter!"

Experience has taught me not to engage people who cannot disagree
without being disagreeable. For such engagement shall soon 
degenerate into personal acrimony and the real issue is lost.

You have a good day now!

Satya Prabhakar
From: sagar@davinci.concordia.ca (Sagar Naik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Where is DEB ???
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:19:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

>Its been a very long time since one of DEBCHAT
>Spicy articles hit SCI... Used to be good reading
>Maybe the Thread will start again....


Yes, I understand you people must be missing Deb's "spicy" articles! :-)
Those are not going to hit the stand for some mooooooooooooore time.
Sorry guys! However, if you people want to pay, I can make Deb write 
"guest columns" for you people from my account.

Sagar

[P.S.: Please do not assume that the system admin. closed Deb's account!]

:
:
:
:

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From: vsandell@cs.umr.edu (Vivek Sandell)
Subject: looking for a friend at U of Cinncinati
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:50:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Originator: vsandell@mcs213a.cs.umr.edu

This posting is meant particularly for the desi janata at Univ of Cinn:
 
Hi Guys,

I am trying to get in touch with a friend of mine who has just joined 
University of Cincinnati for her MS in Civil Engg. Her name is 
Uma Ramakrishnan and she has landed here just last saturday.


If anybody from U Cinn is reading this, please mail me any info at the
following address:
vsandell@cs.umr.edu     -or-    s109275@umrvma.umr.edu

thanks. 

--Vivek S Sandell, 
  University of Missouri-Rolla
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jayasim@platypus.cis.ohio-state.edu (D Jayasimha)
Subject: Re: Arrogant Indians and Susan Forgach
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:54:46 GMT

In article <18o3amINNfo9@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.115744.24576@news2.cis.umn.edu>, prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>|> Interesting! Say, can you please tell us how you distinguish the
>|> separation of powers between the judiciary and the legislature!
>
>Simple. What's in the Constitution is in their purview, what isn't
>isn't. Wherever laws that violate one or more liberties that the
>Constitution guarantees are passed, the court steps in. Else, it has
>little or no jurisdiction. The rest are left to the people, either

The distinction is not as simple as you make it out to be.
For example, the Constitution guarantees life, liberty, and the pursuit 
of happiness.  In the current debate, one could argue that the life of 
the foetus is at stake on one hand while on the other, a "liberty," i.e., 
the reproductive freedom of the mother is at stake (though the Roe vs. 
Wade case was argued on the grounds of invasion of privacy).  Since
each side feels that a constitutional guarantee is being violated, it
is only fitting that the court steps in.  IMO, attempts to ban abortion 
through legislation will only end up in the courts because such a ban 
will be viewed as unconstitutional.

>For a beter idea of what exactly I think of Roe, and the extent of
>judicial activism inherent in it, I suggest you read the editorial
>in the New Republic the week after the Casey decision was handed down. 
>It explains the issue better than any thing else I have read. If you 
>want to delve into it further, try _The Tempting of America_ by Robert Bork.

After reading some of Bork's writings, frankly, I do not give much
credence to his thoughts.  He has been crying hoarse about "original
intent" and the literal interpretation of the Constitution- if people
like Bork had their way, the blacks in America would still be considered
"fractional" human beings.

As far as the classic judicial restraint vs. activism debate is concerned,
it is rather difficult to come to a unbiased decision - one's views depend
on which part of the political spectrum one occupies.  You wave the New
Republic and I will wave the Nation :-)

>Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

jayasimha (jayasim@cis.ohio-state.edu)


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.history
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Were there universities in India before the British came?
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
	<1992Sep14.182422.21306@ugle.unit.no>
	<1992Sep15.193426.113354@ua1ix.ua.edu>
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:38:11

We are assured there were higher educational institutions in India
before the British came.  You can haggle about whether to call them
universities, but no-one will learn much from that.

Here's what to me is a more interesting question.

To what extent is Indian higher education, especially university
education, descended from these pre-British institutions?  Were
the Indian founders of Indian universities graduates of these
institutions?  Did they consider themselves to be carrying on
their traditions, or did they consider themselves revolutionaries
starting from scratch on British or European models?
--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
From: banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Why the world should be grateful to the USA!!
Date: 9 Sep 1992 09:42:23 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep08.214728.23672@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> horne@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM (Tim Horne) writes:
>I have recently subscribed to soc.culture.indian.  After reviewing
>many of the articles posted to this group, I have the following
>statements to make:
>
>       The USA is great!!  The world should be thankful to
>       them for keeping the peace and new world order 
>       especially in the Middle East.  George Bush is a 
>       wonderful President and Peace Keeper.




Oh boy! Another "crickian" clone in the making. Another pain in the butt
makes his debut on SCI.

Oh well, welcome anyway!!!! But dont expect any red carpets.


Samit


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: news@ugle.unit.no (Deep Third Sand)
Subject: M the UN dictator
Keywords: sand
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 16:21:06 GMT

Ugly kid joy,

we are afraid (police ride) to butterfly.

Oh! butterfly butterfly .... .

sitdown like that butterfly.

human sense = butterfly

fly like that butterfly.

Oh Jesus! save Tamil Eelam.


blue rain
thayanantha be loved
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: tsr@troy.uucp (21123-ravi)
Subject: Re: Interested in a sexy desi girl
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 15:35:58 GMT
Summary: LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In article <940@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) writes:
> sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
> 						   ^^^^^^^^^
> Can someone tell us as to which part of India do people
> have this last name? I am trying to get an idea of this
> species/character(apology to others with this last name).
> 
> ---Sree

	HEY PAL!! JUST COZ HE POSTED AN OFF-BEAT MATRIMONIAL DOESNT MEAN
	THAT HE'S HURTING ANYONE..SO STOP TAKING SUCH MORAL HIGH GROUND!!

	ITS PEOPLE LIKE U THAT SHOULD BE CENSORED!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Why the world should be grateful to the USA!!
From: J.Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz (J. Ainikkal)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 02:18:08 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Keywords: reality
Summary: relity
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c

 
>Ed "the real thing" Crick 

Oh I for got to add-
God bless SCI - There is more than just the 'real' Crick lurking
around.

Reality is a relative concept. How 'real' do U want to be on SCI
Ed?  Your reality on SCI was created out of an emotional outburst
which lead to the slander of arranged marriges, which in turn
gave birth to your SCI personality? How real are U Crick?

John Ainikkal
'Aotearoa' - Land of the long white cloud
From: indu@iss700.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: INFO. wanted on GMAT & GRE
Originator: indu@iss700
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 20:19:24 GMT



                   WANTED INFORMATION ON GMAT  and GRE

A friend of mine (who does not have  access to s.c.i) had requested me to find
out about the following. Can someone help me in this matter?

   How do we get the GMAT appl'n form? What if the student is  in INDIA?
   What is the present application fee for GMAT?  And GRE? Are there any 
   phone numbers to those organizations which conduct these tests?

   What are the chances to get a aid in the univs? How is the scene currently,
   and how was it in past? OR Is it advisable to write GRE and then try to
   get in to some MBA course? Basically AID is the catch. He is not interested
   in shelling out of his pocket. And he was good at his academics.

   To do MBA or some management course in U.S. , what are the exams should one 
   appear for like TOEFL etc. ?

   And can my friend ( a Civil Engineer)  do these courses directly i.e. 
   do these courses have any pre-requisitions?

   WHAT IS THE PRESENT JOB SCENE FOR THESE GUYS WHO GRADUATE WITH THESE
   GMAT-ARIAN(new coinage)  pre-req DEGREES,  in U.S.A and in INDIA?

   THANKS TO ALL THOSE ARE ABLE PROVIDE ME THE REQUIRED INFO.

   You can send me the information at the following address:
     indu@iss700.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM


-Indu.
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  The info. requested above are on my personal request                |
|  No Group or  Organization   can be held responsible                 |
|                                ( for those in quest of truth .......)|
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Sanskrit and the Unity of India
From: <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 12 Sep 1992 07:00:28 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center


I have often wondered how much the success of Israel is due to the fact
that they adopted a `dead' language as their national language and
brought it back to life.  Surely it has a lot to do with the consequent
sense of identity that Israelis (and non-Israeli Jews) have felt.  Of course
Israel is a small country and what they did at independence may not be possible
for us, 45 years after it.  But perhaps we can find other ways of emphasising
our national identity.  One of the ways the West is dangerous to us is that
they provide us with ready made notions of `progress', the direction in
which we should go.  But it is not clear that this `lazy nation's approach'
to progress can work for us even if the West left nothing to be
desired.  We need to think of the future creatively and not imitatively
but I feel that Indians are capable of that with or without the help
of Sanskrit.

As for Sankrit as a Computer language, I remember some people at Suny-Buffalo
who were interested in this, but I have lost touch with them - perhaps some
SUNY students know more about this.

Rohit Parikh
From: pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pravin Devineni Ratnam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Marriage related question to readers
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:41:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.wefMuNC00WBKA_iG8d
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hypothetical(in case you have kids in the future) question:

Would you force your kids to have an arranged marriage?

Would you harass your kids if you learnt that they had premarital sex,
even if they were no longer teenagers(18+ years)? 

It will be nice to explain your reasons in case your answer is yes to
any of the above questions. Personally, my parents won't force me to
have an arranged marriage. In fact, they shouldn't have a problem if I
choose to live with a girl instead of marrying her.
From: B.Kumar@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SALMAN RUSHDIE AND NEW THEORIES
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:11:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.193646.9218@Firewall.Nielsen.Com> Murthy writes:
 
>In article <1992Sep10.173717.4158@twg.com> khan@twg.com (Sharaz Khan) writes:
>>Salman Rushdie's 
>>novel was funded for the very same reason that many of us
>>are unaware of.     
>>
>>Picture this; a novel writer who is not even critically 
>>acclamed receives a grant to mass produce his novel from 
>>Penguin books.  This would seem a bit out of the normal.
>preserve the relics from the ultimate destruction? And I am dying to
>hear your next theory of the
>Christian-Hindu-Tao-Budhist-Amish-Gay-Lesbian nexus to displace Islam. 

You forgot to include "Jews" in above nexus. Actually accordiong to a popular
"Mullah" theory huge Rise of population in poor islamic countries, Somalian 
Famine, Bosnian Civil War, Flood in Pakistan and re-occuring floods in 
Bangladesh are all "Jewish" conspiracy to destroy islam :-).

According to another theory - Salman Rushdie is his adopted 
name. His actual name is Salford Rushieman- a dangerous "Jewish" agent 
of Mossad.  His only mission is to *destroy* islam. I am told that 
famous James Bond 007 now works for Salman Rushdie. And those of you
who have seen 007 films know how Bond single-handedly destroys everything....
I am so convinced of James Bond's power that I genuinely feel this time 
that islam is truely in danger :-).

According to another popular theory, Satanic Verses was actually written by
"Jews" and then they paid Salman Rushdie to put his name on the book so 
that it becomes popular and well accepted :-).

According to another poupular theory this guy called Salman Rushdie
has published a translation of Quran under the name of (fill any name
pickthal, holthal...etc:-) ). This is inaccurate as it says that 
that Hoors will be "female". This is not correct. New research on the meaning
of kuran has shown that "Hoors" served to pius muslims entering heaven 
will actually be by wide eyed "male" :-). "Jews" have alredy taken all
"hoors" from heaven to Israel.

And many such jewish conspiracies continue to come one after another.....

By till then,

bkumar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian