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From: bkowal@aludra.usc.edu (Brian A. Kowal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Date: 7 Oct 1992 17:10:06 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu


>
>You know, I have to stand up a little here for the LSJUMB.

I have no problem in your pride of your band.

>Truth is,
>there are quite a few members of the Stanford Band who are not only
>excellent musicians, but have also done a lot with some of the best
>high school marching bands in the country.  Some have received awards
>for marching band.

Then why do we not see a more quality performance.

>If Stanford really wanted to put together a
>traditional marching band, we've certainly got the talent to do it.

There are enough traditional bands, keep Stanford unique - but please
do it with class!!

I have seen the Stanford band from 1986 till present.  I like the idea
of making fun of things, but you guys are so poor and crude at doing
so that no one likes to listen or watch.  I have often read the Bay
Area newspapers indicate their displeasure at the Stanford band.  If
you are trying to change your image and actually try to please the
crowd with your satire - Great!  I'll be looking forward to seeing you
guys on November 7.  Otherwise, please don't waste your time or ours.

>However, very few people here, certainly not the folks in the LSJUMB,
>feel like they _have_ 20-40 hours per week to do things like
>disappearing diamonds and straight lines. We'd rather spend our ~8
>hours per week to run around on the field,

On the field, many bands have alot of fun... some just don't want to
admit it and act like martyrs.  Most bands party harder than most
Fraternities, we all have our fun, it just depends when.  The Stanford
band likes to get drunk before their shows, and urinate on their own
field (1986, I saw it - with many other fellow USC Trojan Marching
Band members.  Total lack of class.)  Last year the Stanford band had
the equivalent of an entire liquer store confiscated from them before
they entered into the Coliseum.  There is a time and place... If they
wanted their alcohol so bad they could have bought beer (since the
Coliseum is the only Pac-10 Stadium to sell it - They stopped selling
it at Stanford due to all the fights.)

>play music _we_ (and our
>student body) like, and generally look like we're having lots of fun.
>Which is something else that people seem to enjoy.
>
>Adam Elman
>aelman@cs.stanford.edu
>
>LSJUMB Bonz '90-present
>
>
>

Do not try to make out the Stanford band as being a good enjoyable
band, until your image changes.  Your band likes to be drunk,
irritating and rowdy all at the wrong time.

From what I have been hearing about the MOB, at Rice.  I would have
really liked to see them - now they sound creative and funny!

Brian A. Kowal
USC Trojan Marching Band Alum 86-90
Fight On!
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:59:00 EDT
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SEC Preview (Oct. 17)
 <1992Oct15.024157.3277@infonode.ingr.com>
 <1992Oct15.164842.15554@infonode.ingr.com>

In article <1992Oct15.164842.15554@infonode.ingr.com>, jim@pustule.b29.ingr.com
(Jim Weeks) says:
>
>In article <1992Oct15.024157.3277@infonode.ingr.com>,                         m
>ellingrw@infonode.ingr.co
>(Bob Ellington) writes:
>|> In article <71263@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
>writes:
>|> >I wrote:
>|> >
>|> >}ARKANSAS (2-4) hosts OLE MISS (3-2) in Little Rock:
>|> >}TV: JPT, 12:30 PM ET
>|> >
>|> >This is not right - I intended to put the little "TV" marker
>|> >under this game:
>|> >
>|> >}MISSISSIPPI STATE (4-1) visits SOUTH CAROLINA (0-5):
>|> >
>|> >which is the game JPT listed at the beginning of the season.
>|> >
>|> >However, Nelson Jordan remins me via e-mail that this one:
>|> >
>|> >}GEORGIA (5-1) hosts VANDERBILT (2-3):
>|> >
>|> >was promoted during last week's Arkansas-Tennessee broadcast.
>|> >I don't know whether this is a switch or a split broadcast.
>|> >Anyway, check your local listings.
>
>|> >                                 "And computer rating systems."
>|>
>|> Mark, the TV Guide lists Vandy at Georgia for the JP game this
>|> week.  Next weeks game will probably stick: Miss St. at S. Carolina.
>
>     WHAT ??? you mean its not another "Razorback Saturday on JP "
>
>  ...heavy sigh.... I guess I'll be forced to watch the Vols and Tide..
>  sure had my hopes up on seeing more hogs mounted to little ol' ladies
>  heads..NOT !!!


Well, at least you know you'll get to watch the Tenn-Bama game.  The
local cable company in State College is pretty crappy.  We get two
different ABC affiliates; one will be showing the damned Mich-Indiana
game, while the other one will have the Tide.  The only catch is that very
often the cable company (TCI:  Cable from Hell) cuts the second ABC feed
in order to show local classifieds.

I'll be calling them tomorrow to find out if they're going to deprive
me of THE THIRD SATURDAY IN OCTOBER (tm).  If they do, I'll be some
kind of pissed.

Jim "I want my SEC" Thomas
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Threads That Are Never Resolved
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:18:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct8.211849.11911
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>Threads that never get resolved on the net, but show up at least once a
>year:
>
>My school's marching band is the best / better than....
>
>What is the biggest rivalry in college football?
>
>Who deserved the national championship?

Don't forget my all time favorite:  How the hell did Njan get a net.connection?

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:36:18 GMT

In article <jac1.718727428@Isis.MsState.Edu>, jac1@ra.msstate.edu (Jennifer Cox) writes:
> fvest@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
> 
> 
> 
>>I don't see how Bama can miss winning a National Championship this
>>year...when they beat Tennessee, they'll have smooth sailing all the way to
>>the Sugar Bowl.
> 
> I think you are making some broad assumptions.  Tenn is GREAT and
> Alabama is playing TULANE.  You are also counting out Miss State, never
> know how things go.  Even a couple of years ago when Bama was great
> and State sucked,  State won the game.

You wanna explain it to her Floyd??
-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu
From: tsh2@ellis.uchicago.edu (                 )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: SOONERS
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:56:50 GMT
Reply-To: tsh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


 what the hell is a sooner?



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From: maryb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Jayhawk Posting #19
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:08:12 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

This article is from the Wednesday, October 7, 1992 issue of the University
Daily Kansan.

ALUMINUM BLEACHERS TO BE INSTALLED IN STADIUM FOR FANS AT K-STATE GAME
by David Bartkoski, Kansan sportswriter

   The Athletic Department will be adding something new to Memorial Stadium
for the second time in two weeks on Saturday. The department brought in four
huge light banks when Kansas played California at night on September 24. And
now, because of the large crowd expected for Saturday's game against Kansas
State, the department is putting aluminum rental bleachers in the south end of
Memorial Stadium.
   Bernie Kish, director of ticket operation and sales, said the bleachers
would seat about 1,200 people and that 200 of the bleacher seats had been sold
as of yesterday [Tuesday, Oct 6th] morning. He said he thought sales would
have decreased yesterday, but people still were calling and standing in line
for tickets. He said yesterday's sales increased his hopes for a sellout.
About 3,500 tickets remain, and all seats cost $20, Kish said. Ticket buyers
would be offered a choice between reserved stadium seats and the bleacher
seats, which also are sold on a reserved ticket basis, he said.
   Gordon Maatsch, a salesman for Specialty Bleacher Co. in Aurora, Colorado,
said that facilities operations contacted him a month ago about renting the
bleachers. He said there would be 20 rows of bleachers. The first walkway
would be 40 inches from the ground, and the top row would be about 18 feet
high.
   Kish said he was not sure if the bleachers would block the view for fans
sitting on the Hill. He said his main concern was providing accommodations for
fans paying to get in the game.
   Maatsch said some of his company's bleachers would be transported from
Heartland Park Topeka, where they were used last weekend at the Sears
Craftsman Nationals drag races. The others would be brought in from Aurora, he
said.
   Darren Cook, facilities supervisor for the Athletic Department, said
installation of the bleachers, which was scheduled to begin today, would take
about two days. "They'll be off at a safe distance from the field," he said.
"We'll have concessions and restrooms available for fans in the bleachers."
   The last time bleachers were used at the stadium was in 1987, Cook said,
and the bleachers were made of iron and wood.
   Floyd Temple, a former director of facilities operations at Kansas, said
the old bleachers were used only once every two years at Memorial Stadium,
when Nebraska played Kansas in football. The main reason the university does
not use the old bleachers, he said, was that they were becoming a safety
hazard. "Those things were in such poor condition," he said. "Some of them
you'd sit on and be picking splinters out of your rear end for two days.

Posted to r.s.f.c. by "Kansas Mary"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 17:13:40 GMT

In article <1b4c57INNmdh@early-bird.think.com> krall@Think.COM (Tom Krall) writes:
>In article <1b1u31INNema@agate.berkeley.edu>, chrisp@porsche.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Chris Puscasiu) writes:
>|> In article <1992Oct8.175842.9648@leland.Stanford.EDU> tremblay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Marc Tremblay) writes:
>|> >>In article <1992Oct7.185703.21882@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
>|> >>>>What are the biggest, oldest, most intense rivalrys in the country and are
>|> >                ^^^^^^^
>|> >>>>they as intense to both teams?
>|> >
>|> >Why, that would have to be the BIG GAME, of course. Besides its
>|> >totally wacky finishes, and constant sellouts, the team winning the
>|> 
>|> [more stufurd blah deleted]
>|> 
>|> 
>|> As much as I hate to agree with someone from that junior u. I don't think
>|> there was any question about the biggest rivalry.  It is not only the BIG
>|> GAME, but an around-the-year attitude.  Besides football this attitude is
>|> part of evey sport and just a way of life.
>|> 
>|> I for one have tossed out all my cloth that have more than 50% red color 
>|> on them ...
>|> 
>|> Besides sports though this rivalry has even some more implications, namely
>|> great academic competion on things like who has more nobel laureates etc.
>|
>
>Sorry Guys, Harvard-Yale is known as simply THE GAME. And as far as 
>academics, well....

Well... What's bigger: a game, or a BIG GAME. As far as academics go,
I don't have numbers handy, but before you gloat, add up the
Harvard-Yale nobel laureates and compare them to the Stanford-Cal
total. You might be surprised...

========================================================
| Marc Tremblay                  |  Stanford Cardinal  |
| tremblay@sunrise.stanford.edu  |  1993 Rose Bowl     |
========================================================
From: trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Common Opponents, Transitivity, and Stupidity
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:29:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: hubcap.1992Oct14.232926.18678
Distribution: usa
Organization: Jes Grew Carriers -- Metaphysical Bunko Squad

Transitivity can be stretched to absurd conclusions.  A couple of years
ago, transitivity produced the following beauty:

Colorado (voted by some group of dolts National Champions) lost to Illinois
Illinois lost to Clemson (30-0 in the Citrus Bowl)
Clemson lost to Virginia
Virginia lost to Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech lost to South Carolina
South Carolina lost to the Citadel
The Citadel lost to Wofford
and Wofford lost to Mississippi College

I think that's right, but I might have missed something.  Anyhow, it happened
that Mississippi College was the "best" team in the land by transitivity.
Heck...they might have been...
 
Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
 
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From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: MSU-UM Gametime
Keywords: Time
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:59:49 GMT
Organization: Toshiba America MRI Inc, S. San Francisco, CA.

In article <1992Oct9.115844.11951@mlb.semi.harris.com> shittle@ms20.mis.semi.harris.com (Steven C. Hittle) writes:
>
>Just a quick question, since the local newspaper doesn't have a clue about
>college sports period:  Is the MSU vs UM game at noon or 3:30?
>
>Thanks for the info.
>
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It is on TV (ABC) and starts at 3:30pm ET, 12:30pm PT (Pay Per View out west).


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: Scottl@mot.com (Scott Lindsey)
Subject: Napolean Kaufman, was California - Washington game
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:52:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.205649.9048@u.washington.edu>, tokuno@carson.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno) writes:
> 
> scott@fraud.Berkeley.EDU (Scott Silvey) writes:
> 
> 
> >Washington's offensive and defensive schemes are sort of a mini-California
> >configuration so the two teams apparently look very similar game-wise.  ;^) 
> 
> >To prepare the Cal players for hostile territory where 72000+ screaming weenie
> >dawgs are expected to show up, Gilbertson has been having the Cal band play the
> >Washington fight song at practice all week.
> 
> >Go Bears!
> 
> >Washington too ... hope you guys do really well for the rest of the season
> >after this week.
> 
> I'll be at the game in Husky stadium rooting, discretely, for Cal.  I hope
> they do well, i.e., don't get blown out.  I even think they have a chance
> since Washington is hurting at the running back position; however,
> Napolean Kaufman is a potential game-breaker, so Cal had better keep him
> close to the line of scrimmage.  The Huskies weakness on defense is
> against the run, though, so Russell White could also have a big day. 
> That's why I think the Bears have a chance in this one, despite
> Washington's rating.
> 
> 
Speaking of Napolean Kaufman, an anouncer stated a couple of weeks ago that this individual
was the best broken field runner in the nation. He is a sophomore out of Lompoc High in CA where
he broke all kinds of track and football records but has he done anything of significance at
the college level to merit that kind of praise??? BTW, if you are from Lompoc, you can not
be expected to reply objectively.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PSU is Overrated!!!!!!
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:46:03 EDT
Organization: Penn State University

Oh, give me a break.  Penn State is not overrated at No. 9 - they can COMPETE
with the No. 1 or No. 2 team in the country - in fact they OUTPLAYED them.  If
Penn State got crushed by Miami then they wouldn't still be ranked in the top
10.  This isn't Notre Dame 52, Pitt 21.  This was 17-14.  Besides, didn't
Penn State knock Tennessee and Notre Dame out of the top 10 last year.
Do some research - Penn State's No. 9 ranking is NOT OVERRATED!!!!!

-The Nittany Lion
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Lies, D**n Lies, etc (Re: PSU is Overrated!)
From: jeff appleman <MBAJSA@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:01:59 EDT
 <31rt032JabdO00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> <1992Oct13.233007.12652@ultra.com><92288.072824KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <92288.072824KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>, <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
>schedule that Miami does year in and year out.  And you pennheads out there,
>don't begin to talk about 1986, PSU's BYU National Championship, one game
                                                                  ^^^^^^^^
>season in which if Vinny Testerverde wasn't color blind, would have went the
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^
>other way (five interceptions come to mind?).

    First, the one game season issue - only applies if you ignore the regular
season where both Miami and PSU went undefeated (and for those of you citing
Miami's greatness in forcing missed FGs, it doesn't matter how you win). In
addition, I don't have the schedule in front of me, but I know they played
Notre Dame and Syracuse that year and most likely Alabama (a team that almost
always beats Penn State even without Bear).

    Now, if Testaverde is color blind - how did he win the Heisman??? I say PSU
like Tennessee the year before, just knew how to get to Vinny and the defence
won the game.

 - Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: Clemson RUNS
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:31:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.030701.25694@hubcap.clemson.edu>, trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight) writes:
|> ...
|> The reason they don't abandon it here is because we have had success
|> with it...the philosophy is that:  three things can happen when you 
|> throw the football, and two of them are bad...so why do it if you don't
|> have to?
|> 

  That's funny, I figure that 3 things can happen when you RUN the football,
  and two of them are bad:

 1) gain yardage
 2) lose yardage
 3) fumble

 So - why run if you don't have to??



-Ron

|>  
|> Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
|>  
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|>                   go Gamecocks...                    |     |     |
|>                                                      +-----------+

Ok - GO, GAMECOCKS!!! They sure need all the help they can get!!! 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: hemiola@leland.Stanford.EDU (e. shen)
Subject: Re: A Bowl ?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 11:31:51 GMT


In article <yvonne.718413243@well.sf.ca.us> yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
>
>Arrrrrgh!
>
>One more time. If Washiington is the sole Pac-10 champion, they must go  to


Yvonne:  You seem kind of tense.  Je vous prie de vous calmer.
 (i.e. Chill!  Have a soak!  Take your clothes off!  etc. etc.)      kD


e.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason)
Subject: Re: Those who don't study history (Illinios/Ohio State)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:32:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.160317.28395@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>Stupendous Man writes:
>
>>    At the time, the one point didn't matter, but two would.
>
>But if that is the case, he should have gone for two from the three yard line.
>The inconsistant strategy is not a sign of strong leadership!

I don't agree.  It's simply a judgement call based upon what the coach believes
the risk to be in the particular situation.  Chances are higher, overall, that 
you're going to get a 2-pt'er from the 1.5 yd-line than from the 3 yd-line.
In the case of the OSU-Wisconsin game, for example, Cooper apparently felt 
that it was not worth sacrificing 1 point for an attempt at 2 points from
the 3-yd line.  However, he made the decision that it was worth the risk of
sacrificing 1 point for a chance at 2 points from the 1.5 yd-line.  For him,
in that situation, the point at which the risk was acceptable was somewhere
between the 3 and 1.5 yd-lines.  I don't see anything wrong with that judgement
and I don't personally feel it shows weak leadership.  I do, however, think you
could make a case either way - to me it's just a judgement call.

david
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!
Date: 11 Oct 92 20:20:08 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.161419.52154@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
> >In article <1992Oct11.013903.14858@walter.bellcore.com> lein@bae.uucp (John Leinaweaver) writes:
> >
> >I agree.  Miami is not winning its games in the way a #1 team should.
> 
> And Washington is not winning its games the way a #1 team any better. 
> The point is is that it is much more impressive to go the the #5/#7 ranked
> team in the nation and win, even if only by 3, then to stay at home and take
> on an overrated California team, and be tied 7-7 in the 3rd period, the same
> California team that got beat BIG time to a very poor Purdue team.  hile
> Washington has not looked all that impressive beating border-line top 25 teams,
> Miami has been beating top 10 teams.   


Using the argument of beating a bad team at home vs. beating a
good team on the road,
remember when Miami stayed home and beat a perenially over-rated Nebraska team
in the OrangeBowl last season while Washington beat up on Michigan in the Rose
Bowl. I suppose it was wrong to make Miami #1 in the AP poll, eh? 






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