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From: johnmac@fawlty.towers.oz.au (John MacLean)
Subject: More On DOS 3.3 Launcher
Organization: Tower Technology, Sydney
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:28:41 GMT

I have now released DOS 3.3 Launcher version 1.3.
I'm sending out a few copies, and it should be available on your
favourite electronic service within a few weeks.
It has the following new features:

- Quit via control-reset as well as CDA.
- Test launch option in copier.
- Ability to turn keyboard buffering off automatically on launch.
- Works with more "almost DOS 3.3 compatible" software.
- Now uses correct ProDOS system file launch facilities (rather than
the message center), which hopefully means it will work with other
program launchers.
- Cleaned up a few minor problems as suggested by users.

I still haven't made the decision to complete version 2.0 which will,
if completed, have the following features:

- Full read/write version (not just read only like version 1.0 -> 1.3).
- The launcher will work on a //e or //c (with quit via control-reset),
with no loss of functionality for the GS user.
[I'm not ignoring those 2e user's sending mail - all replies bounce].
- There will be a CDA to allow you to swap which "disks" are in which
"drives".

John MacLean.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: A+/InCider article:  ACK!
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:21:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.185524.26599@netcom.com> kc@netcom.com (Dameon D. Welch) writes:

[ ]
>>
>>Wrong -- an Apple-written init called "ProDOS File System" lets you read
>>ProDOS disks directly from the Mac desktop.  It's available free from
>>ftp.apple.com.
>
>Which directory is it in? I haven't been able to find it on there. And
>this is certainly news to me...

The init is part of the iie on a card LC system software.
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Xref: sparky comp.sys.apple2:24162 misc.forsale.computers:40770
From: despair@netcom.com (Scott Hanson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,misc.forsale.computers
Subject: Apple //c hardware & software for sale
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:37:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

My apple //c system has to go.  I will sell parts or the whole system.
Everything is best offer.  Remember that free is an offer, so anything that
nobody else wants is yours for the cost of shipping.  Suggested price is
$10 for the better softwares, $5 for most books.  All are original disks, 
documentation, boxes. 
 
Here is the list:
 
Software:
Title                           "Manufacturer"          Description
 
Chessmaster 2000                Software toolworks
Newsroom                        Springboard             newspaper publishing
Chuck Yeager's Advanced Flight Trainer Electronic Arts  Flight simulator
Archon                          Electronic Arts         chesslike game
One on One                      Electronic Arts         basketball game
Earth Orbit Stations            Electronic Arts         space exploration sim.
Balance of Power                mindscape               political strategy
Neuromancer                     Interplay               Cyberspace adventure
Alter Ego                       Activision              Fake life
Wizardry                        Sir-Tech                role playing
Auto Duel                       Origin                  Road combat
Street Sports Basketball        Epyx                    basketball I suppose
Fantavision                     Broderbund              Animation/special fx
Gato                            Spectrum Holobyte       Submarine simulation
Print Shop, Print Shop Companion Broderbund             Cards, stationary, etc
Copy II plus                    Central Point Software  Utilities, copier,etc
Critical Mass                   Sirius
Tarot teacher                   Five Star
Trivia Fever                    Professional software
Toolbox                         Roger Wagner Publishing
Quicken                         Intuit. Portions        Checking/finance
Appleworks 
Diskware                        apple                   Imagewriter toolkit
Mousepaint                      apple
Apple logo
Getting down to basic           apple
Prodos utilities                apple
 
 
Books:
Apple ][ DOS programmers manual
Apple //c owners guide
Imagewriter User's manual
Appleworks Tutorial
Appleworks tips & techniques (sybex)
Appleworks quick reference card
Apple machine language for beginners (compute)
Apple pascal (byte books)
Appleworks Reference manual
Apple //c system utilities
Apple //c mouse users guide (?)
Apple //c monitor users guide
Setting up your apple //c (ho boy)
McGraw Hill Apple ][ programmers reference manual
 
Hardware:
Apple //c computer (built in drive, etc)
Apple //c monitor (built in stand)
Laser external disk drive
rf modulator
Joystick
Mouse
 
Any offers considered.  I can't lug this stuff around and am willing to
deal.
 
Regards.


-- 
Scott Hanson		This has been a recording.
despair@netcom.com
From: 90taobri@CHASM.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: MIDI for the //c???
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:18:23 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Toronto (Scarborough) Computing Services

The following revelation escaped David.Empson@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU's lips:
>
> Another option would be to modify the IIc by replacing the crystal.  I
> don't know if the 6551 can support such a fast crystal, or if this
> would interfere with the normal operation of the IIc.

    A friend of mine mentioned to me a while back that he had once
replaced his crystal to get the 6551 in his //c talking at 31.25 kHz.
I'll have to get him to fill in the details, then I'll post something
here about it.
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     -=+ MuGS: The Only Internet Mail Reader For The Apple IIGS! +=-
From: sbennett@gnh-starport.cts.com (Stephen Bennett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Hard drive compression etc.
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:15:11 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet
X-Unparsable-Date: Wed Nov 11 92 at 20:20:43 (EST)

Hardpressed and AutoArc will compress files, so less space will be taken up on
the hard drive...  this means that though a 20 meg drive will still be a 20
meg drive, most files will take up quite a bit less space on the drive,
giving the equivalent of a bigger hard drive...  This being the case, no
re-partitioning will be necessary... :)

And, Dhrystone is way to test the speed of your computer at doing certain
processes...  it's one way of checking how much faster your computer is with
an accelerator than without, or how one computer compares in speed to
another... (though it, like most benchmark tests, have some drawbacks in
checking different processors against each other, but that's more than I want
to get into on a tag-end note...  ;)

Yes, it's two, count 'em two, replies in one post!  <grin>
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From: mdavis@crash.cts.com (Morgan Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: CTS Stuff...
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:57:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.mdavis.721868254
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In <9211131547.AA14279@pwtc.tc.pw.com> Brendan_Hoar@notes.pw.com writes:

>>ModemWorks uses the Extended Firmware
>>routines in the Apple IIGS's serial interface.
>>I've not heard of any
>>ModemWorks-based systems having any trouble with hardware flow control.

>Interesting.  How often is hardware flow control exercised with MW3.0?

This is transparent to ModemWorks because the IIGS serial port firmware
takes care of it.  The answer to your question is: as often as is
necessary. Since ModemWorks operates using the IIGS's default 2K
interrupt buffer, flow control would be asserted when it became
approximately 3/4 full.

>To cause it to occur would require a situation like this: ProLine's port rate 
>at a higher rate  than the caller has his/her port rate set to or higher than 
>the modem can move the data, & a Zmodem download to a system that can't 
>handle the speed.

That's one scenario.  And, yes, ModemWorks wants to run with the port
set to a high fixed speed (to get the most out of high speed modems with
data compression).  You can say the same thing for a caller who is
connected at 300bps and is getting a file with 1K XMODEM.  The protocol
isn't the factor.  Flow control would also come into play if the caller
was simply bulk-reading messages in the conference system non-stop (raw
ASCII stream).

The only time I've ever heard of ModemWorks/ProLine systems having
trouble with flow control is when they've not been using a properly
wired HWFC cable.

>Does ModemWork's Zmodem stream (keep sending until naks appear -
>regardless of lack of acks) or does it have a relatively  small window
>size?  If the latter, then flow control might almost never be 
>exercised...

When sending, it waits for ACKs if the receiving end requires them. 
When receiving, the buffer size varies depending on available memory,
but 12K is average.  Receiving 12K could easily overflow the IIGS's 2K
serial buffer and/or the modem's internal buffer, so flow control would
be asserted.

Again, we've had no problems except with systems that aren't set up
properly to handle high speed communications (e.g. anemic cables).  Most
Mac and PC users of ProLine have had success in uploading and
downloading with ZMODEM.  ProLine/ProLine and ProLine/UNIX systems have
not had trouble exchanging large packet transfers at high speed.  But
the majority of users experiencing difficulty are Apple II users using
ProTERM.
From: Pauley@vnet.ibm.com (Paul Benson)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 08:41:08 EST
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: about my survey - 4
Organization: IBM Personal Computer Co. - PS/1 Development
Disclaimer: This posting represents my views, not necessarily IBM's.
News-Software: UReply 3.0

In <5qkeuB7w165w@lablues.UUCP> Lawrance A. Schneider writes:
>the Apple II and how much people like Apple Computer Inc.!!  More
>amusing to me however was that I had two questionnaires filled out by
>Apple Computer Inc. employees; both rated the question a 9!!!!  Look
>out Mac users!

I don't think you should have said that.  The survey should be kept in
confidence & and there really are only 2-4 Apple employees who visit
us on the net.  Granted, you may have received the results by Apple
lurkers or maybe Unknown (who now has an Apple address it seems), but
I'm sure we'll be seeing posts about a month from now with people saying
Xxxx at Apple says that the Mac will be treated the same as the Apple.
Of course, you also noted that one Apple employee stated that the Apple II
is being treated fairly by Apple Inc. so if the same person replied with
a 9 for the "doing to the Mac" question, then they feel that the Mac
_will_ be supported to a high degree.  You can't apply one person's answer
to the average of the results, you must look at his/her sheet alone to
gain individual insight.

>Apple II users.  There are periodic articles in the micro computer
>press about the problems Macintosh users have with poor support from
>Apple Computer Inc.

Well, they do get a pretty high rating for consumer 'happiness'.  85 I
think.  Whatever it was, they were tied with IBM and someone else.  Only
one other company had a higher one by 2 points (gee, I can't remember
who that is ;) ).

Pauley
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: achauhan@warsaw.math.macalstr.edu (Amrit Chauhan)
Subject: Re: BBS packages/replies
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:11:27 GMT

Roy Barrett writes

> Morgan, ttyth, Proline costs $250, and I really don't see the point of it.  
Why
> don't you explain to me why it's so great.. ;) (I think it was $250)

Can I answer?  Because you are basically getting UNIX in a box...a very small  
box, but all the same, a box.  It works well with what's out there...there are  
hundreds, if not thousands of possiblities for a ProLine site to make network  
connections...not just ProLine to ProLine.  ProLine/UNIX is now quite  
good...VERY good, and given a cooperative system administrator, you can have  
all the news/mail you want for free...that's why.

.not to mention Morgan deserves it.

Amrit

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: hal@budapest.math.macalstr.edu (Harold Byron Bouma)
Subject: Re: Future of the II line (???)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:50:05 GMT

Jerry Penner writes

> Please go on.  I think you mentioned the majority of new stuff that
> has come out.  If not, I'd like to see what else has come out.
> There's no way for most of us to find this out since no local stores
> carry Apple II stuff anymore, except for a couple education packages
> that I'm not interested in.

	Who needs to go to a local store anyways? They charge too much and rip  
you off. And since they regard the IIGS in such low esteem anyways, you're  
better off shooting yourself with a gun. Of course, it might be nice to see  
what you're buying, but I have never really minded buying software from mail  
order. Its easy, quick, convienent, inexpensive, and with the Apple II mail  
order places, you'll find much better support than you would at the local  
stores.

	Now the biggest problem is finding a source of information about what  
is being sold on the mail orders, and thats the biggest void in the II market.  
A+ is ok, but its nearly a year behind in everything and often gives out  
incorrect information. GS+ is a great magazine, but is hard to reach and is  
bi-monthly. If the II world gains a method to get information to the all the  
users via some format, that will do far more good than having a few local  
stores carry II products.

| Hal Bouma                            | Send mail to: HBouma@Macalstr.edu    |
| Macalester College, St. Paul, MN.    | and           HBouma@Macalstr.Bitnet |
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From: ferr@apple.com (Jim Ferr)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: ProDOS 8 Disk full problem
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:35:56 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

Has anyone else seen a false disk full problem under ProDOS 8? It occurs
when writing to a file on a disk that is nowhere near full, and leaves
the file on disk containing only the first 256 or 512 bytes that were
being written. I've seen this problem in all the later versions of ProDOS
8, up to 2.0.1, but I cannot duplicate the problem at will.

If you have seen this problem, please let me know the circumstances.
Currently, I have seen the error occur in Warp Six BBS and ProTERM 3.0.
The error code in BASIC is 9.

Please reply to ferr@apple.com.
---
Jim Ferr, Technical Response Group, Apple Canada
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Standard disclaimer applies.
From: AKARPENKO@ALBION.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Lots of questions
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:56:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

Question #1:
I just downloaded Zlink from BROWVM and was wondering if this file is
corrupted.  I downloaded it twice, unpacked it a couple of times with
Binscii and shrinkit and once with GSHK which did not show any errors.
I tried launching the program (z.link.system) from the finder, the basic
system, prodos 8 using the pathname, and using it as the start file on a
disk.  Each time I got just a plain screen, not the title described in the
documentation.  Suggestions?
Question #2:
I am planning to buy a hard drive in about a month and am looking for a few
suggestions.  I have a Woz ROM 01 GS and am thinking about getting a 100+MB
hard drive with a RAMfast card.  I was looking through the recent MacWorld
and found a Quantum 110MB ELS for about $340 and a Maxtor 120MB for $400 both
external anyone have any experience using these drives and what conversion
is necessary to convert these drives from Mac to IIGS?
Question #3:
What is the difference between the Ramfast rev. C and rev. D cards?  I saw a
post last spring about a company selling rev. C cards for about $99.  Someone
also mentioned refurbished Ramfast cards, are these any good and where can I
find one if they are?
Question #4:
When I am done modifying my IIGS I plan to have a Prometheus Promodem 2400a
internal modem, Zip accelarator, Ramfast, PC Transporter, sound card, and
SIMM memory expansion card in place.  Will I need a heavy duty power supply
Someone mentioned external drives taking life of the internal power supply of
the IIGS, has anyone noticed this problem?
Lastly, I would like to thank anyone answering any of these questions and all
of those using and programming IIs.  I have used Macs and PCs and neither
system compares to the IIGS except speedwise, I love this computer.  Thanks.
                                        Andrew Karpenko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: SEAs?
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:17:46 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <92321.123328TS8RBOTW@MIAMIU.BITNET> Radagast <TS8RBOTW@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
> Why are Sefl-Extracting Archives (particularly GSHK) called self-
> extracting when they don't?  That's annoying having to change the
> file type and aux type like we have to do with GSHK.  Is GSHK the
> only SEA like that, or do all have to be manipulated?  GSHK is the
> only SEA I've ever seen.

Self-extracting archives must be handled carefully in order to work
properly.  An SEA on a BBS _must_ have a Binary II header, which should
be removed by your comms program as the file is downloaded (or remove
it using BLU to get an executable file).

The same goes if the SEA file is stored in Binary form on an FTP site -
it should have a Binary II header.

It the SEA has been encoded using BinSCII (e.g. the copy made
available through comp.binaries.apple2) you have two options:

1. Download the BinSCII archive to your IIgs, then decode it using the
BINSCII program.  You can't use GSCII+ at present, because it adds a
few dummy bytes to the end of the file.  This should be fixed in a
future version.  The ProDOS-8 BINSCII program doesn't have this problem.
This isn't a problem for most files, but IIgs executable files must
have exactly the right length, or the IIgs won't load them.

2. Use SCIIBIN on a UNIX system to convert the BinSCII archive into a
Binary file.  Download this file to the IIgs using YModem batch or
ZModem, _not_ XModem - the file length must be maintained.  In this
case you have to set the file type back to S16/$DB07, because Unix
systems have no way of retaining the filetype information that was in
the BinSCII header.


You can only retain the filetype information if the BinSCII or Binary
II file is decoded on the IIgs.


When this topic was discussed earlier, someone pointed out that it
would be very handy to have a UNIX utility that could decode a BinSCII
archive and place a Binary II header onto the file, so that the file
type, modification date, file size, etc. were retained when the file
was downloaded to the Apple II.

Unfortunately no such program exists at present.
-- 
David Empson

Internet: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz    EMPSON_D@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand
From: AKARPENKO@ALBION.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: System 6.0
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:04:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet

I finally got FTP to work from BITNET and want to get a copy of System 6.0
Can anyone tell me where I can find it?  Thanks.
From: mdavis@crash.cts.com (Morgan Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: BBS packages/replies
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:54:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.mdavis.721868056
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

In <kd65917@pro-harold.cts.com> dcgreen@pro-harold.cts.com (David Green) writes:

>You also might want to contact dig@pro-cynosure.cts.com. Doug used to publish
>a newsletter named II Sysops, and he now has a newsgroup/mailing list called
>pro.comp.apple2.bbs/a2.bbs.

You might also want to see the new inCider/A+.  I understand there is a
glowing review of ProLine (I haven't seen it yet).

--Morgan
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: platkus@roby.ecn.purdue.edu (Shawn W Platkus)
Subject: Re: GS Setup (slots)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 21 Nov 92 17:01:50 GMT

jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong) writes:

>Is there any way I can connect a modem to my system without losing
>access to my printer or hard disk?  My setup is as follows:

>Slot     Control Panel Setting     Slot Contains        
>1        Printer Port              <nothing>                
>2        Your Card                 Apple High Speed SCSI    
>3        80 Column Firmware        <nothing>                
>4        Mouse                     <nothing>                
>5        SmartPort                 <nothing>               
>6        Drive Port                <nothing>       
>7        AppleTalk                 MDIdeas Stero Card

>Could I drop a serial card in one of my empty slots without losing access
>to the functionality of the "internal" slot?
>-- 
>Jim Wong (jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu)


Unless you are using AppleTalk, you could put your HD in slot seven, and then
put your stereo card in any available slot.  The stereo card could go in 
slot 2, and you could still you the modem port.  

I have my FutureSound board in slot 6, and I and just switch the control panel
setting to drive port when I need to use the 5.25.  THe only time I need
it set to your card is when I digitize sound.  The stereo output doesn't 
depend on the slot setting.

-Shawn

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: about my survey - 4
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:44:02 GMT

In article <19921118.055606.315@almaden.ibm.com> Pauley@vnet.ibm.com (Paul Benson) writes:

[ ]
>
>Well, they do get a pretty high rating for consumer 'happiness'.  85 I
>think.  Whatever it was, they were tied with IBM and someone else.  Only
>one other company had a higher one by 2 points (gee, I can't remember
>who that is ;) ).

HP.
 
Philip McDunnough
philip@utstat.toronto.edu