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From: tom@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Thomas Richard Stevenson)
Subject: Re: Media Bias? YOU Decide. Resumes Tell All
Organization: Wayne State Univ.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:57:28 GMT

dgillmor@msen.com (Dan Gillmor) writes:

>: I'm not sure if anyone is suggesting the media is biased deliberately,
>: but is biased solely by the type of people it attracts. Many reporters
>: get into reporting because they want to "change the world". This view
>: lends itself well to the liberal viewpoint.
>: 
>I suspect that my right-of-center friends -- including some in the media
>-- would be amazed to learn that they want the world to remain as it is.

A "change the world" view and a "make the world better" view is not necessary
the same thing. No one wants the world to remain as it is.

>--
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Newsgroups: alt.news-media
From: Chuck.Lavazzi@launchpad.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi)
Subject: Re: Media Bias? YOU Decide. Resumes Tell All
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:36:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.155127.273@hsh.com> paul@hsh.com writes:
>
[...]
>"Corporations" still control the major media, but what types?  Increasingly,
>it's *media* and/or *entertainment* corporations.  What is the primary business
>avenue for Ted Turner's empire?  Or Disney, Columbia, Gannett, The New York
>Times Company, Time-Warner, etc?  And increasingly, the "news" department at
>the networks is overseen more by the entertainment division (the movie
>'Network' was ahead of its time in that respect). 
>
>Many media outlets are, to be sure, still used as mouthpieces by their
>owners... so it IS worthwhile to ask what axes those owners have to grind.  In
>Turner's case, it is all too apparent (IMHO, he hastened to add).
>Unfortunately, as the ownership shifts to entertainment/media corporations,
>there are fewer independent, unfettered reporters remaining to ask these
>questions. 
>
	Here I must agree.  I think the centrist bias of most commercial news
media derives largely from their ownership by those entertainment corporations.
Ideas or voices that are regarded as "extreme" or "controversial" tend to be
avoided for fear of boycotts, withdrawl of sponsorship, and other nasty
economic consequences.
	Which is why I don't get my news from commercial media.
>
> Paul Havemann, VP          HSH Associates            (201) 838-3330 
> Internet: paul@hsh.com     Compuserve: 70410,3507    AOL: HSH Assoc
> "Any opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the company."
>  
>"He walks again by night!  Out of the fog, into the smog -- doggedly...
>relentlessly... ruthlessly... toward his weekly meeting with The Unknown..." 
"At Fourth and Drucker he turns left.  At Drucker and Fourth he turns right.
He crosses McArthur Park and walks into a great sandstone building.
<smack> <"Ouch, my nose!">"

The_Doge
--
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     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,misc.headlines
From: chawley@andy.bgsu.edu (Chris Hawley)
Subject: Nets for Journalists (GOOF!)
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:29:29 GMT

Attention anyone who tried to join the Masscomm net on Comserve per my previous post:

The body text in your message to join Masscom should be:

    Join Masscom (user name)

Not "Join Masscom Sheree Curry" as I wrote.  That came from a letter to a friend.  My apologies to you all (and to Ms. Curry). 
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
From: dgillmor@msen.com (Dan Gillmor)
Newsgroups: alt.news-media,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Media Bias? YOU Decide. Resumes Tell All
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:27:04 GMT
Organization: Detroit Free Press
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: I'm not sure if anyone is suggesting the media is biased deliberately,
: but is biased solely by the type of people it attracts. Many reporters
: get into reporting because they want to "change the world". This view
: lends itself well to the liberal viewpoint.
: 
I suspect that my right-of-center friends -- including some in the media
-- would be amazed to learn that they want the world to remain as it is.

--
Dan Gillmor                                      Internet: dgillmor@msen.com
Detroit Free Press                               CompuServe: 73240,334
321 W. Lafayette                                 Voice: 313-222-6659
Detroit, MI 48226                                Fax: 313-222-5981
Newsgroups: alt.news-media
From: chawley@andy.bgsu.edu (Chris Hawley)
Subject: Summer Newspaper Internship?
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 03:35:42 GMT


    I am seeking a newspaper internship for summer 1992 and would be much obliged if
you would take a look at my resume or pass my name along to someone who might be
interested in hiring a quick, resourceful, adaptable reporter for the summer.  I
have a love and ability for all aspects of journalism and the resume to prove it.

	-- Five years of STAFF experience reporting for four newspapers.
        -- Five years of experience in black-and-white newspaper photography.
        -- Internship at International Living Magazine.
        -- Contributions to travel books, an investment publication, and campus
           publications.
        -- Much more, including radio experience

    I am a National Merit Scholar on a full academic scholarship, and I maintain a 4.00
grade point average.  I am a Freedom Forum scholarship recipient and hold a number of
other honors.
    Please drop me a line and I will e-mail you my complete resume.  I think you will
be surprised at the depth and variety of my experience.

    Thank you,
    
    Chris Hawley <chawley@andy.bgsu.edu>
    Local Government Reporter
    The BG News
    Bowling Green State University


Newsgroups: alt.news-media
From: cedman@capitalist.princeton.edu (Carl Edman)
Subject: Re: Media Bias? YOU Decide. Resumes Tell All
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: cedman@princeton.edu (Carl Edman)
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:26:17 GMT

Chuck Lavazzi writes:
> Sorry, can't let this one pass.  The  *fact* is that Quayle
> claimed that Gore had called on the USA to spend $100
> million on environmental cleanups, which was an
> outright lie.  Gore's book suggests that the amount
> necessary would be on the order of what was spent on the
> Marshall Plan after WW II, which would have been about
> $100 million in contemporary dollars.  He goes on to say
> that the USA could not possibly pay for all that alone and,
> in *fact*, calls for a consortium of nations to foot the
> bill. 

Sorry, can't let that one pass. The word is _BILLION_, not _MILLION_. That is a  
difference by a factor of a thousand. And before you dismiss this point as  
nitpicking, please remember that your error is the equivalent of claiming that  
George Bush stands six times taller than the empire state building or that in  
his presidency the economy doubled in size every other week.

	Carl Edman
From: liebea@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Adam Fred Lieberman)
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
Subject: "New" Newsgroup
Summary: Current state of this newsgroup makes no sense
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:11:32 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

According to my system, this newsgroup contains seven articles:
    1 Re: What about the ...
    2 Re: The purpose of this group [REPOST]
    3 What is this group about, anyway?
    4 Re: What is this newsgroup about?
    5 Re: The purpose of this group [REPOST]
    6 Re: What is this group about, anyway?
    7 Re: What is this newsgroup about?

     While most of the articles appear from their subject lines to be about
the question of what this newsgroup is about, that matter has yet to be
made clear.  I subscribed to this newsgroup for the express purpose of finding
out what this newsgroup is about, so that I could decide whether to subscribe
to this newsgroup.	
     So, could you please make my system make this newsgroup make sense?

					-Adam Lieberman
					 liebea@rpi.edu

note:
	I have far, far better things to do
	Than what I have just done.
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
From: drw@kronecker.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
Subject: Re: What is this newsgroup about?
Followup-To: alt.revolution.counter
Organization: MIT Dept. of Tetrapilotomy, Cambridge, MA, USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:11:57 GMT

In article <Conrad_Nobili-161192163347@nobili.harvard.edu> Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C. Nobili) writes:
   I figure it's either about tachometers or some political bs....

   Anyone care to enlighten us?

I'm not exactly sure, but it seems to be a group that's against all
political changes since about 1700 or 1800.

Dale
From: Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C. Nobili)
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
Subject: Re: The purpose of this group [REPOST]
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:33:19 GMT
Followup-To: alt.revolution.counter
Organization: Harvard University Office for Information Technology

In article <1992Nov17.175502.24941@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
nmonagha@nyx.cs.du.edu (N.O. Monaghan) wrote:

>         monarchism
>         distributism
>         integrism
>         corporatism
>         subsidarity

What the ^%$#?

If I were feeling kind I *might* allow that *one* of those is a word....

Your summary of topics leaves something to be desired, to say the least.

Conrad C. Nobili  N1LPM  Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU  Harvard University OIT
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
From: galt%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt)
Subject: Re: What is this newsgroup about?
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:13:22 MST
Followup-To: alt.revolution.counter
Reply-To: galt%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu
Organization: University of Utah, CS Dept., Salt Lake City

In article <1992Nov18.215740.22344@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley ) writes:
>Here's my problem:             
>1. One person ruling is a dictatorship.
>2. Two people ruling is therefore a joint dictatorship and it just
>   as bad/good as a dictatorship/
>3. Democracy is X/2 +1 people ruling in an X population. (I am
>   disregarding the republican nature of a lot of governments).
>4. Therefore Democracy= a dictatorship of the majority!
>
>Then we have two possibilities:
>Either 1. Democracy and dictatorship are both wrong (this is the
>way I am leaning-- but anarchy doesn't seem to work in a practical
>sense, does it?)
>or
>	2. Dictatorship and democracy are both good (this is equally
>justified, but I don't want to live in a dictatorship, do I?)

I was thinking about the same thing, and I think the way to describe
my view on it is that government is a necessary evil, with the stress
on "evil."

The advantage of democracy over dictatorship is inertia.  A dictator
can change his mind every day, implementing a bunch of insane programs.
In a democracy, you have to convince 51% of the people before you
can get your programs through.  The programs are not necessarily 
better, but chances are you will only have a lot of insane programs
if most of the population has gone insane.

To add even more inertia into the system, we have constitutions that
were written by leaders in the past at a time when supposedly 
(hopefully) the leaders weren't insane.  Since it is difficult to
change the constitution, and most people have some reverence for it,
some basic governmental ideas move even slower than everything else.

Also, one problem with dictatorship is that even though a utopian
benevolent dictator would be very good, in general only the worst
of our society would want to be dictator.  In a democracy, you tend
to have a mediocre government, which is much better than a nutcase
dictator, though not as good as the ideal.
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
Subject: Re: The purpose of this group [REPOST]
Date: 22 Nov 1992 03:20:12 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com

In article <jrk.722374026@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk>, jrk@sys.uea.ac.uk (Richard Kennaway) writes:
|> In <1ejsl5INNq3o@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|> >Well, here's one definition of subsidiarity, straight from the Maastricht Treaty.
|> 
|> >	"ARTICLE 3b
|> >	The Community shall act within the limit of the powers conferred upon 
|> >	it by this Treaty and of the objectives assigned to it therein.
|> >	In areas which do not fall within its exclusive competence, the 
|> >	Community shall take action, in accordance with the principle of 
|> >	subsidiarity, only if and in so far as the objectives of the proposed 
|> >	action cannot be sufficiently achieved by the Member States and can
|> >	therefore, by reason of the scale or effects of the proposed action, 
|> >	be better achieved by the Community.     Any action by the Community 
|> >	shall not go beyond what is necessary to achieve the objectives of 
|> >	this Treaty."
|> 
|> I can't think of anything which could not be argued to be insufficiently
|> achievable by the Member States separately.  Taxation, welfare benefits,
|> safety regulations, licensing of professions: any difference between
|> member states in any of these could be seen as an obstacle to free movement
|> of people and goods.

You have to define what the "objectives" of any proposed action are
before deciding this.   Some proposed actions will have quite local 
scope, and so need not involve action at the Community level.

jon.
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
From: watson@sce.carleton.ca (Stephen Watson)
Subject: Re: What is this newsgroup about?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:06:05 GMT

Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C. Nobili) writes:

>I figure it's either about tachometers or some political bs....
>Anyone care to enlighten us?
>Conrad C. Nobili  N1LPM  Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU  Harvard University OIT

It's about BOTH!  Political Conciousness Meets Mechanical Engineering!
Politically Correct Shaft Encoders!  Tachometers For The Masses!  An
Axle in Every Automobile!  Join Our Union, and Nobody Will Give You
the Shaft Again!  Chairman Mao Spins in His Grave!  And now we can
know *exactly* how fast!

BTW, speaking of dead Communists, does anyone happen to know if
Lenin's cadaver is still on display in that glass coffin in Red
Square?  'Bout a year back I heard the gov't was going to move him to
the cemetery of the little village he was born in (which is what
Vladimir Illyich wanted in the first place).

C'mon, its at least as relevant as anything else I've read in this
group (and a good deal more coherent than some of it).
--
==Steve Watson: watson@sce.carleton.ca===Carleton University, Ottawa, Ontario==
| The above is the output of a 7th-order Markovian analysis of all posts on   |
| this group for the past month.  Not only is it not Carleton's opinion, it's |
| not even *my* opinion: it's really just a mish-mash of all YOUR opinions!   |
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
From: nmonagha@nyx.cs.du.edu (N.O. Monaghan)
Subject: Re: What year is it? Where are my geese?
Keywords: Christian Front
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 17:24:36 GMT

seth@mivax.mc.duke.edu (HM/HS) writes:
>I was attracted by "alt.revolution.counter", but yer book list seems awfully
>heavy on the christian stuff.  That's not necessarily bad but it does make 
>things look like a front for the Christian Laettner fan club in the mystical
>land of timberwolves.


It is very much just the initial outline of a booklist - there
are enormous gaps in it - distributism is just one example.

I hope that these gaps will be filled as soon as possible.

Nils.


Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
From: arthum@nuge110.its.rpi.edu (Michael Rene Arthur)
Subject: What is this group about, anyway?
Reply-To: arthum@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:21:32 GMT

Is it about counter-revolutions in general (like the Spanish
Inquisition, or is it about some rock group called revolution.counter?
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
Subject: Re: What is this newsgroup about?
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:57:40 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <DRW.92Nov17151157@kronecker.mit.edu> drw@kronecker.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes:
>In article <Conrad_Nobili-161192163347@nobili.harvard.edu> Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C. Nobili) writes:
>   I figure it's either about tachometers or some political bs....
>
>   Anyone care to enlighten us?
>
>I'm not exactly sure, but it seems to be a group that's against all
>political changes since about 1700 or 1800.
>
>Dale

No, I think it's about discussion of those changes and the problems they
have brought.  Here's my question:

A single person ruling is a dictatorship.  In common mainstream
political thought that is wrong.  Go ahead, insert patriotic
waste-of-words here.

But democracy is somehow thought of as superior, right?
"Yes we love america by god love it or leave it you godless
commie..."

Here's my problem:             
1. One person ruling is a dictatorship.
2. Two people ruling is therefore a joint dictatorship and it just
   as bad/good as a dictatorship/
3. Democracy is X/2 +1 people ruling in an X population. (I am
   disregarding the republican nature of a lot of governments).
4. Therefore Democracy= a dictatorship of the majority!

Then we have two possibilities:
Either 1. Democracy and dictatorship are both wrong (this is the
way I am leaning-- but anarchy doesn't seem to work in a practical
sense, does it?)
or
	2. Dictatorship and democracy are both good (this is equally
justified, but I don't want to live in a dictatorship, do I?)
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
From: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com (THE Wademeister)
Subject: Lennon
Reply-To: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:22:00 GMT

I was in the first revolution,but I missed out on the one
with John,and the Beattels.
                        -wade-
-- 
"If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure"..V.P Dan Quayle....... 
 Let me say I am some say anyway a vary poor speller, I know what you are..... 
thinking,gee I hardly noticed but its true....|\\w//|.........................
.............OWNER..GRAVE DIGGERS.............................................
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
From: magnus@bark-fddi.ii.uib.no (Magnus Alvestad)
Subject: Re: What is this newsgroup about?
Followup-To: alt.revolution.counter
Reply-To: magnus@ii.uib.no
Organization: UVBS -> SFK/T-DSA / SOPS - HOS / RNoN
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:38:28 GMT

>>>>> On 16 Nov 92 21:40:34 GMT, Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C.
>>>>> Nobili) said:

	Conrad> I figure it's either about tachometers or some
	Conrad> political bs....

It is not BULLSHIT - it is what is threathening to KILL you any day
now - the advance of the COUNTER REVOLUTION - they are coming for YOU.
You cannot stop them - they are the COUNTER REVOLUTION!

If you want protection from the COUNTER REVOLUTION, coming for YOU, to
KILL you and your FAMILY and burn your house, you have to PAY me as
many DOLLARS as you can, account 5235 12 07973.

	Conrad> If it is for political bs I hope nerds camp out here
	Conrad> and take over the group with discussions of shaft
	Conrad> encoders and all....

Keep DREAMING, you political HEATHEN! They are COMING for YOU!

-Magnus
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
Subject: Re: The purpose of this group [REPOST]
Date: 20 Nov 1992 23:33:57 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com

In article <DRW.92Nov20121140@euclid.mit.edu>, drw@euclid.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov17.175502.24941@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> nmonagha@nyx.cs.du.edu (N.O. Monaghan) writes:
|>    The new newsgroup alt.revolution.counter will cover
|>    the culture, philosophy and politics of what may be
|>    termed the Counter-Revolution. Amonst other matters
|>    it will deal with:
|> 
|> 	   monarchism
|> 	   distributism
|> 	   integrism
|> 	   corporatism
|> 	   subsidarity
|> 
|> You might want to write an essay (FAQ?) explaining what these are and
|> what their advantages are. 

Well, here's one definition of subsidiarity, straight from the Maastricht Treaty.

	"ARTICLE 3b
	The Community shall act within the limit of the powers conferred upon 
	it by this Treaty and of the objectives assigned to it therein.
	In areas which do not fall within its exclusive competence, the 
	Community shall take action, in accordance with the principle of 
	subsidiarity, only if and in so far as the objectives of the proposed 
	action cannot be sufficiently achieved by the Member States and can
	therefore, by reason of the scale or effects of the proposed action, 
	be better achieved by the Community.     Any action by the Community 
	shall not go beyond what is necessary to achieve the objectives of 
	this Treaty."

jon.
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
From: lofdahl@horton.Colorado.EDU (LOFDAHL  COREY LOWELL)
Subject: What about the ...
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:01:25 GMT

Spanish Inquisition?
In this newsgroup, can we talk about the Spanish Inquisition?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition don't you know...

	--Corey
From: wisdom@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Robert Wisdom)
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
Subject: Re: What is this newsgroup about?
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:12:25 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


	I gave up on democray when I saw a study (during the "Gulf War") that
57% of American's thought the military should INCREASE censorship of the 
press.  Now all I need to do is find something to replace it with.  Anybody else
want me for benevolent (unless I don't get my nap) dictator?

----
Sign held by an abortion protester:          |  Robert Wisdom
"Abortion Kills America's Future Soldiers"   |  wisdom@picasso.ocis.temple.edu
You figure it out (Because I can't!).        |  My opinions are !yours.
---
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
Subject: Re: What is this group about, anyway?
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:07:58 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <fgy1!hn@rpi.edu>, by arthum@nuge110.its.rpi.edu (Michael Rene Arthur):
> Is it about counter-revolutions in general (like the Spanish
> Inquisition, or is it about some rock group called revolution.counter?

Hate to mention this but towards the end of its life the Spanish
Inquistion was regarded as a good court. One of the reasons that the
Spanish fought the Peninsula War was to bring it back after it had been
abolished by the Bonapartist pretender. Odd eh, or does that just say
something about the mentality of the Spanish...

Andy
From: Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C. Nobili)
Newsgroups: alt.revolution.counter
Subject: What is this newsgroup about?
Date: 16 Nov 92 21:40:34 GMT
Followup-To: alt.revolution.counter
Organization: Harvard University Office for Information Technology

I figure it's either about tachometers or some political bs....

Anyone care to enlighten us?

If it is for political bs I hope nerds camp out here and take over the
group with discussions of shaft encoders and all....

Conrad C. Nobili  N1LPM  Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU  Harvard University OIT