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From: songer@ei.ecn.purdue.edu (Christopher M Songer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Third Party Sources for Turbo Simms.
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:47:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Hi,

     I've read quite a bit about the new SIMMS that the Turbo stations
use. The questions I have is this: Are there any third party sources
available for Turbo memory? Who are they and how much are their wares?

Thanks!
-Chris
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From: pdavies@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Paul Davies)
Subject: NeXT phone #
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 23:12:20 GMT


I saw a couple of phone numbers to get a NeXT brochure but i stupidly
didn't write them down.  if someone could please send them to me?

thanks


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From: jimu@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au (James Uther)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: The future is not NeXTstep!
Date: 18 Apr 92 04:36:51 GMT
Reply-To: jimu@orthanc.cs.su.oz.au (James Uther)

Why does everyone here think that the future will belong to nextstep?
Correct me if i'm wrong, but NeXtstep is the first major implementation
of an object based environment (except smalltalk perhaps), and pioneers only 
ever lead when a technology is new. Where is the Xerox Alto? Let's face 
it, Pink will be better than NeXTstep is today, because Apple will have used
NeXTstep as a prototype for ideas, identified the faults, and done something
better. (If they haven't then i'll be mighty surprised, i mean, what'd be the
point?)
	Of course I may be wrong. NS4.0 might be a winner. But to be so
it'll have to be a generation ahead of NS3.0 
	Just some thoughts.
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From: andre@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Need help to post and other topics...
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:36:51 GMT

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From: neveu@milo.berkeley.edu (Charles Neveu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: DoveFax on '030 (was:  DoveFax modem can't receive)
Date: 14 Apr 1992 17:47:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: milo.berkeley.edu
Keywords: DoveFax modem bugs

Thanks for everyone who sent me suggestions. 
Most of them were along the lines of "Do you know that
the serial ports on '030's and 040's are different?"
Yes. And the guy at DoveFax swears that he is running his
faxmodem on an 030 with no problem. 

Does anyone else have a DoveFax running on a 030?

Charles

neveu@milo.berkeley.edu
From: wsmith@cs.utexas.edu (Wesley C. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: FAX modems -- which ones work?
Date: 9 Apr 1992 14:42:12 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: ZOOM, ZyXEL, Supra

I am in need of a fast FAX and data modem. Has anyone been able to
FAX with a ZOOM, ZyXEL, Supra, or other FAX modem? I heard that
someone was working on fixing the FAX driver. Has anyone fixed it yet?

I am posting this again due to lack of (positive) responses last time,
surely someone must have figured out how to make these fast/cheap
modems work.
(Don't tell me to by a Neuron -- I'm not interested in supporting them,
and HSD's modem is not fast enough).

Wes Smith
avsoft!wes@cs.utexas.edu
wsmith@cs.utexas.edu
From: ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Next Users Journal
Summary: Where is Next Users Journal
Date: 14 Apr 92 05:47:17 GMT
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus

Can anybody tell me what happened to the "NeXT Users Journal" Newsletter
that erica edited.  Did this follow on from BuzzNUG.    

The latest issue I have is NUJ13.ps.Z file which is june 1991. Have there
been any more since then?
From: kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: OpenGL vs. Renderman
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:58:13 GMT
Reply-To: kls30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr15.211445.16925@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes:
>
>In light of the release of 3.0 with bundled Renderman being just a few  
>months away, it is interesting to note that in a recent issue of Computer  
>Graphics World that the closing column discusses Silicon Graphics'  
>licensing of OpenGL, a derivative of the Iris GL, to other OS vendors.
>
>The column discusses a few other graphics systems, such as PHIGS et al.  
>and comes to the definite conclusion that OpenGL will be THE standard for  
>high end graphics starting NOW, and that it is the BEST of all of them.
>
>Has NeXT made a critical mistake in going with Renderman? Is the NeXT, in  

Steve Jobs owns part/most of Pixar ---- Pixar == Renderman.
Renderman was cheap, I'd guess, for NeXT to bundle since Steve has hands
in both companies.

GL and PHGS would have cost money.  Renderman seems to be a good product
and only time will tell which one really becomes the piece of software
to have.
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From: hugh@ear.mit.edu (Hugh Secker-Walker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: SimonSays
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:37:32 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr8.150518.962@agog.com> greg@agog.com (Greg Cockroft) writes:

   > 3. It would be nice if Simon would playback my voice commands so I could
   > remind myself of how I enunciated them. I sit there sometimes repeating
   > commands with permutations and combinations of inflections to the point  
   of
   > giving up and retraining them.
   > 

   We have had several people ask for this. The sounds are purposely deleted  
   to save disk space. If a word is approx. a second and sampled 3 times.  
   This is 24K a word. If you have 100 words this is 2.4 Meg of disk space.

Save only the version of the word that best matches the stored correlation
"template", and downsample it to 5K.  The playback will be telephone
quality, but it will convey the intonations the user is looking for.
And now you're down to 500K of disk.

--
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      the bad news is they're all nonlinear" -- M.B. Sachs
From: whetstone!johnc@ms.uky.edu (John Coppinger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXT's RISC Workstation
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:10:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Whetstone Software

Gerben Wierda writes
> 
> Poor NeXT... Any new announcement hurts current sales. I think they hoped to
> keep this secret until 8/92. It all depends on price strategy for NRW and
> Turbo machines of course.
> 
> It is good for NeXT that the other decisions haven't leaked yet ... ;-)

Of course, NeXT could secretly feed the rumor mill with prices in the  
$15000-20000 range, then offically announce it with an SRP under $10000.

Anyway, I don't think there are any secrets to be kept.  Everyone else seems to  
be headed toward RISC.  It's only natural to assume that NeXT will, too.   
Motorola's RISC seems like a good guess, I think, since Steve Jobs and Motorola  
have been pretty good business partners in the past with the 68K line.

My question is this: is the 88K really that fast?  Does Motorola really know  
something about RISC that Sun doesn't?  How does Motorola get 75+ MIPS out of  
their RISC when Sun is working pretty hard to squeeze 30 out of SPARC?  I'm not  
a processor freak, so I don't really know about this stuff.  Can someone  
enlighten me?

Thanks,

John Coppinger
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From: jayson@asw.com (Jayson Adams)
Subject: Re: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations
Reply-To: jayson@asw.com
Organization: Atherton Software Works
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:58:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.044524.6755@proponent.com> Monty Solomon  
<monty%roscom@think.com> writes:
> 
> From the NeXT UI Guidelines:
> 
>  	If the user never needs to get at the files or folders
> independently of using the application that creates them, they should be
> placed in the user's home folder but preceded by a dot prefix so they
> stay hidden from view.

Sounds great in theory, some users will be forced to see these damn files  
and folders (does preferring UNIX Expert mode suddenly not make me a  
user?).  This guideline should be reexamined and changed.

__jayson
From: morgan@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (Justin Morgan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Appsoft Draw or Stone's Creat'se:  Which is better?
Date: 1 Apr 92 21:42:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: mailer.1992Apr1.164218.28923
Reply-To: skynet!jmorgan@fsu.edu
Followup-To: sender
Distribution: na
Organization: Florida State University

Has anyone done a head-to-head comparison between Draw (nee TopDraw) and 
Create?  Comments and criticisms are welcome.  Which is the better value?

If there is sufficient interest I will post a summary of replies.

Thanks,

Justin Morgan
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for a TIFF editor
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:28:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: macc.1992Apr7.002856.27296
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <11927@tamsun.tamu.edu> cnh5730@maraba.tamu.edu
(Charles Herrick) writes:

>Jess Anderson writes

>> you can obtain what there is for documentation on Icon (without
>> which the threat of a _crise_ 

>crise

Crisis.

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From: rick@nugget.rmNUG.ORG.mu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Supra fax/modem...What say, owners?
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:37:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: nugget.1992Apr8.093740.3010
Organization: Rocky Mountain NeXT Users' Group

In article <5264@pdxgate.UUCP> moij@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Jim Chorn) writes:
> adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir) writes:
> 
> >In article <1992Apr3.185406.2271@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca>  
> >jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca (Joseph Chin) writes:
> >> In article <1992Apr3.172246.27874@u.washington.edu>  
> >> basiji@milton.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:
> >> > Have those people who were expecting their Supras ever get them?
> >> > Do they work?  How are they on noisy lines and talking to other
> >> > brands of modem?  Does the NeXT "class 2" fax driver actually 
> >> > work?
> I challenge anyone who has a Supra Fax modem on a NeXT to prove that
> the fax works as advertised by posting how they did it, for independent
> verification.


The FAX doesn't work on the NeXT yet, nor was it advertised that it worked on  
the NeXT. Supra has always said the Fax will not work on the NeXT.
It is a hot little modem and work fine on the NeXT as a modem. Though it will  
even be hotter when Fax Driver is made for it.....
I haven't seen a V32bis V42bis at that price (Under $300) with or without the  
FAX...
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From: jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca (Joseph Chin)
Subject: Re: Is the NeXTStation Turbo vertically disadvantaged?
Reply-To: jchin@wcraft.wimsey.bc.ca
Organization: The Wordcraft Group - Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 03:52:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.235556.16143@bmw.mayo.edu> brunkhorst@mayo.edu  
(Geoff Brunkhorst) writes:
> ...
> As for ventilation, I am worried about the turbo, because a) it's also
> in a cabinet (insipid requirements of our medical people about
> having computers in doctor's offices) and b) the 33mhz 040 has a
> *_BIG_* (read: larger footprint than the chip) heat sink
> ...

That reminds me of the other day when I opened up the 50Mhz 486 play  
system at my other office, I saw a DC powered fan sitting on top of the  
BIG heat sink on the 80486 cpu. That was quite a sight. That's the way to  
stay cool :-)

Joe

ps. So far the 486-50 has only been used for Smalltalk benchmarking and  
playing Solitaire ... an installation of OS/2 failed miserably ...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tms@twins.lanl.gov (Todd M. Swan)
Subject: Steve on PBS...
Reply-To: tms@twins.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Lab
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:12:27 GMT

Steve Jobs was on a PBS program called "Memory and Imagination" (or something  
like that) Sunday.  Check your local listings to see if it has been run yet.   
He talked about having the Library of Congress at everyone's fingertips via  
networks.

Todd
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: cmaeda+@cs.cmu.edu (Christopher Maeda)
Subject: Re: NeXTcube Turbo SIMM Slots
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 92 23:59:02 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <a-4Hjkfk6@cs.psu.edu> melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr7.151703.9710@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes:
>
>   I still think it's a stingy choice to only use four SIMM slots
>   for the cube Turbo board.  Since the primary choice, economically
>   speaking, would be 4 and 8 MB SIMMs at this time, the effective
>   max RAM is 32 MB, which is a (another) step backward for the new
>   board.
>
>Yep.  I tried explaining this to some NeXT employees at NeXTworld.
>They came to the conclusion that there were more than 4 slots in the
>machines.  Stuff like this really make me want to go out and plunk

I don't see the problem with this.  Within a year or two, you are
going to be buying 16mb simms or bigger.  Someone also mentioned that
there are electrical/impedance/whatever constraints on the bus that
keep the number of simm slots down.

While we're on this subject, I also don't see the problem with
Nextstep on the 486.  People are saying the 486's are too expensive.
By the time NS486 is released and debugged, 486 machines are going to
cost practically nothing.

It seems to me that anticipating technology like this is a sound
strategy.

-- 
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"A unix signature isn't a return address, it's the ASCII equivalent of
a black velvet clown painting. It's a rectangle of carets surrounding
a quote from a literary giant of weeniedom like Heinlein or Dr. Who."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette)
Subject: Re: Need Advice on upgrading from 030 to 040 to color (Turbo)
Reply-To: nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:15:55 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.004547.8978@leland.Stanford.EDU> m@crito.Stanford.EDU (M  
Carling) writes:
> 
> The Turbo cube board started shipping nearly two weeks ago.

Say what?

Has NeXT bothered to announce this officially?  We sure didn't
hear.  Of course, sometimes it seems like we're the last to know
anything around here ;-)

What about pricing info for both new systems and upgrades?

--
Nathan Janette		"I'm a NeXTstep man,
Dept MB&B, Yale Univ	 I'm a NeXTcube guy"
New Haven, CT
nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (NeXT)

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From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: NeXTStep 486 should cost $250
Reply-To: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:09:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.180629.16018@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu  
(Nathan F. Janette) writes:
> In article <3526@rosie.NeXT.COM> Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer) writes:
> 
> > As has been said before in this newsgroup, if you look at
> > all the stuff that   NeXT sells to EVERY NeXTStep user, a
> > comparible package for ANY other computer   would run well
> > over $5,000.  I'm of the impression that the price we've
> > set is   extremely cheap for what you get. 
> 
> While philosophically true, the above doesn't count for beans
> toward the success of NeXTstep 486 if customers refuse to pay
> the $995 asking price.

Just for comparison, could someone tell us what Windows NT, Solaris, and SCO  
Unix cost for an i486 box?  That is the relevant competition, after all.

And, don't forget that if they did sell at for $295, all us students would  
start clamoring for a $99 version. :-)  They need to sell it at least twice  
cost so they can sell it discounted at cost!  NeXT is, after all, targeting  
high volume purchasers like Fortune 500 companies and discount customers like  
Higher Ed.  Not the 'mail order operating system' market.

- Ernie P.
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From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: files on ext. HD change their ownership by themselves ?!
Reply-To: andrew@cubetech.com
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 07:08:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr09.170729.2403@hiss.han.de> fifi@hiss.han.de (Axel Zinser)  
writes:

>  I just connect my old 105-MB hard disk as a second disk to my NeXTstation.
>  All worked fine up to the moment I recognized that the ownership of all
>  files had been changed to fifi.nogroup (my own id is fifi.fifi). I restored
>  the ownership, checked it and continued working. After a while I again
>  looked for the files on the second hard disk and - damned - the ownership
>  had been changed to fifi.nogroup again.... Can anyone tell me, why that
>  happens and/or which task does it? (I'll kill it :-))


You need an fstab entry for the disk...
something like this:

/dev/sd1a /<mount-point> 4.3 rw,noquota 0 1

You need to change <mount-point> to the path of where you have the disk  
mounted.

andrew
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Cube Technologies, Inc.       |   next door; let's go." --- e.e. cummings
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: fox@cs.nyu.edu (David Fox)
Subject: Re: SEF did it again
Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences
	<SCOTT.92Apr11024138@nic.gac.edu>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 14:00:50 GMT

In article <SCOTT.92Apr11024138@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess) writes:

   <A GUI is to a command-line as a TV is to a book>

Take this anti-NeXT propaganda to comp.editors.ed!  :)
From: jfreem@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Joe Freeman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXTStep 486 should cost $250
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:24:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service

In article <1992Apr10.164205.3372@cs.yale.edu> you write:
>In article <bf7H1pbm6@cs.psu.edu> melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger)  
>writes:
>
>
>Not only that, but NeXTstep 486 will only run on *select*
>(ie the most expensive) 486 machines.
Its not clear that that is true.  You pay what you want and you
get the appropriate performance.  If you want 68030 performance,
then you can get it.  On the other hand, prices are ramping
in the right direction.  Last year, everyone would have
burned NeXT for requiring a 486

>
>How is NeXT supposed to explain that NeXTstep can only
>display mono with that Super VGA card in your 486 that
>OS/2 and Windows can use for cheerful color?
That one is pretty easy.  There are two reasons that come
to mind immediately

1)	NeXT uses a (psuedo)true color imaging model.  All
application writers know that they can count on asking PS for
any color.  And, it will give it to them.  The 8 bit cards are
palette driven and will not follow the model.  NeXT doesn't
want to break the model (more mail in bound with a list of
non standard 12 bit graphic cards :-) )

2)	The AT backplane will barely support the gray scale
blitting that we do.  Remeber all windows are backing stored and
smooth scrolling (expensive) is always supported.  The PCISA 
bus was not really intended for the amount of data that flys 
across at 1024x768 by several bits.
>
>> In short, I think appealing to the basic human instinct of
>> greed will get NeXT a lot farther.  Very few people will
>> spend $5K on a computer, and NeXT doesn't even sell a
>> standalone computer $5K.  Those that will don't want to
Not true.  NeXT is about the only workstation company that does
sell a $5K computer.  The minimal system is useable and is
adequate for certain problem areas.  Though, larger configurations
are better.  Most workstations come diskless or  ramless at
the entry price (oh boy I can see all the email coming in 
at how everyone's favorite computer doesn't come that way)

>Wouldn't it be great if NeXT either added enough RAM/HD to
>the 5K/3.5K (list/edu) price, or lowered the price
>altogether? Instead of purchasing a $5K NeXTstation,
>then adding $450 of RAM (removing 4 MB), then adding a $1K
>external HD, wouldn't it be great if 16 MB RAM and 400 MB of
>disk was included!? 
>
The configuration has become better in the mid range of the
product line (16/250).  Those are a better value.


On the pricing.  Was that 
A)	Higher Education
B)	List Price
C)	Street Price


-- 
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		jfreeman@next.com (NeXT Mail)
The opinions espressed here are my own and are not shared by my employer  or
anyone else I know of.  Flames can be mailed to me or routed to /dev/null.
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From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: login behavior
Reply-To: andrew@cubetech.com
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:45:52 GMT

In article <8drZRCX0BwwbM17E1s@transarc.com> Lyle_Seaman@transarc.com writes:
>  I was told that during the login process, NeXT systems go looking
>  through every directory in the path and read the first few bytes of
>  every file in order to set an icon.  This is as nearly exact as I
>  recall the statement.  Is there any truth to this?  (It seems to me
>  that login would take even longer than it does if this were so).

On login, the Workspace Manager goes through the /NextApps, /NextAdmin,  
/LocalApps, and ~/Apps directories and examines the __ICON Mach-O segment of  
every executable it finds (you can add more directories with the dwrite  
command).  There it gets all of the apps names, the files they can open, and  
what services they provide.  The icons themselves are located in the __ICON  
segment, but I don't think the Workspace retrieves them until they are needed.   
In any event, it does this rather quickly.


andrew
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Cube Technologies, Inc.       |   next door; let's go." --- e.e. cummings