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From: otto@galahad.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Subject: Emacs 2.1 (Re: How to get an emacs META key?)
Organization: The Crimson Permanent Assurance Company
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:25:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.102713.863@glocke.hotb.sub.org> frank@glocke.hotb.sub.org (Frank Thomas) writes:
   Get Emacs2.0 which is a frontend for your emacs. I think i found it on
   cs.orst.edu or {nova,sonata}.cc.purdue.edu. Emacs2.0 uses ALT as META,
   you can use the mouse to set the cusor to any point, and you can use
   CMD-{X,C,V,Z} to do what you expcet from it. 
   My problem is, that this is not of much use in Germany where we have to
   type eg 'ALT-8' to get '['.

Just a silly question.  Is it possible to specify a filename on the "Emacs"
command line like it is with normal emacs ?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark Adler)
Subject: Re: Squash CORRECTION and question (was: Re: ModPlayer.app.squfold)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 06:34:36 GMT


>> Actually, there is a beta version of Zip that beats Squash by quite a bit.   
>> I used it to zip up ModPlayer and it was about 5K smaller than the  
>> ModPlayer.app.squfold file.  Which I thought was pretty impressive  

I found a file or two that even the old zip beat Squash on, but that was
an oddity.  I expect Squash to beat the new zip most of the time.  Zip
was written to be fast and have good compression.  Squash was written
to be slow, use a lot of memory, and get the best possible compression
using known techniques.

There are also public domain compressors that use similar techniques
to Squash, and are slower and compress better, consistently, than
Squash.

Squash has the advantage however of being a well thought out NeXTstep
GUI application.

>> I'm not sure however when it'll be released for general use, so I can't  

In about a week and a half.

Mark Adler
madler@tybalt.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu (Eskandar Ensafi)
Subject: DSP Modems (and fax)? Hayes ISDN eXTender
Keywords: dsp modem fax hayes isdn
Reply-To: esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:55:40 GMT

Hi,

Are there any DSP modems out there? Any capable of fax? Whatever happened to  
the claim that the DSP can be used as a high-speed modem and/or fax?

What about the Hayes ISDN System eXTender -- do you have to have a digital line  
or can you choose to operate over regular phone lines, in spite of the slower  
speed?  Any fax support over ISDN lines or with the Hayes eXTender?

If you know anything, please reply by email: esky@marathon.cs.ucla.edu

- Eskandar Ensafi
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Subject: Re: List of database names for dwrite avail? (was: Re: Power on/off key quesition)
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:53:59 GMT

In article <Bro3Bx.83o@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu
	(J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>Is there a place where *all* the names of options such as
>"BypassPowerOffConfirm" are listed (as well as what they do)?

No.

>                                                               I've
>seen tons of messages about what dwrite commands to give to get <this>
>to do <that> but I can't find any list of where people get these
>names.

There isn't one.  Information comes from many places: scattered
throughout the official documentation, in NeXTanswers, in the
Support Bulletin, from private communications with NeXT
employees, etc.

For NeXT-supplied-and-supported applications, what's documented
can be expected to remain consistent from release to release.
Anything else is fair game.

The bottom line is that it's up to each application to decide
which defaults to recognize and how to interpret them.  (In UNIX-
speak, the analogous question is something like, "is there a list
of all the environment variables...") (Of course not, it's up to
each program to call getenv() as it chooses and do whatever it
wants with the information.)

Trying to produce a comprehensive list is a thankless job;
there's too much to keep track of, and it keeps changing.

The only true documentation is the source code to each
application.

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From: gp310ad@prism.gatech.EDU (ROBERT DUCKWORTH)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.hardware,comp.sys.next
Subject: Help, Fujitsu M2623SA in slab. How to boot from it?
Date: 23 Jul 92 03:35:14 GMT
Followup-To: poster or call 404-888-0389
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Help-

NeXT slab with new M2623SA (fujitsu) drive installed.
OS is on it.
Can boot from floppy, mount, and read.
Set to SCSI address 1.
Attempts to boot from drive result in the following message.....


SCSI unexpected msg:1
sc Unexpected: msg


What trick did I miss?

-bob

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: draphsor@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson)
Subject: Re: Mac's Compact Pro for the NeXT?
Organization: Residential Computing, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:36:30 GMT

In comp.sys.next.misc skrans@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Steve Krans) writes:
>I will be selling my macintosh and buying a NeXT withing a few months, and I
>would still like to be able to access the hundreds of Compact Pro archives
>that I have.  Is there a NeXT or unix utility that can uncompact these?
>Bill Goodman (author) said there was an unofficial unix utility that will
>work, but I don't know the name or where it's located.  Help appreciated. 

The name of the utility is macunpack. Remember that all Mac files have
a resource fork and a data fork, and the NeXT currently isn't real
savvy about just what to do with those two different parts. Assuming
you're just unpacking more or less text files (ie text files, gif's,
etc) you should be ok.

As to where to find it, archie comes back with:

Host wuarchive.wustl.edu

    Location: /mirrors3/rascal.ics.utexas.edu/unix-utilities
           FILE -rw-rw-r--      69013  Jan 25 04:36
macunpack_1.1_shar.Z

Host nic.switch.ch

    Location: /software/mac/decompression/unpack_on_UNIX
           FILE -rw-rw-r--       7708  Dec 28 00:00  macunpack.README
           FILE -rw-rw-r--     179917  Dec 28 00:00
macunpack_1.1_shar

Host emx.cc.utexas.edu

    Location: /pub/mnt/source/archivers
           FILE -rw-rw-r--     120208  Nov 13 1991  MacUnpack.shar

>Thanks.  SK.

No problem. Enjoy.

Rollie
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From: coke%net23@spectrx.saigon.com (Brian Policky)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Powering on at a certain time with upgraded Cube?
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:57:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.133012.21215@wam.umd.edu> elitman@rac2.wam.umd.edu  
(Eric A. Litman) writes:

> Not currently. Of course, it's quite easy to power down at a certain  
time,
> but power-up is an entirely different matter. However, the functionality
> is included in 3.0 to power-up at a specified time (as well as  
power-down).
> In addition, the machine can restart after a power failure (it is cyclic  
in 
> PR2).
> 
> -Eric Litman

Does this 3.0 function work for all NeXTs? Especially an '040 NeXTcube?
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From: vhs@darkcube.radig.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai)
Subject: Re: DOS Drive is Slow!!!!!#%$@#&^#@$
Reply-To: vhs@darkcube.radig.de
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 21:49:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.205204.482@glocke.hotb.sub.org> frank@glocke.hotb.sub.org  
(Frank Thomas) writes:
> In article <1992Jul25.195150.4262@mksol.dseg.ti.com>  
> dahla@mksol.dseg.ti.com (alexander dahl) writes:
> > Am I just dreaming or what.  But to get something off of the
> > net I must FTP to a PeeCee machine.  To get it to mine is
> > via Floppy Net.
> > 
> > I cannot imagine that it would be that BIG of a deal to    
> > pass out the "new, faster" DOS driver for the NeXT floppy.
> > 
> > Did I miss something along the way or did NeXT just decide
> > that everyone was greatfully enjoyed with a disk drive that
> > is slower than a Sinclair floppy?
> > 
> Even worse: If you copy a big file TO the floppy it gets slower every  
> track! The 'TimeMon' reports that the machine has little load, while every  
> application seams to be not very responsive. I thought it looks like this  
> guy is using very much VM but with 'ps' everything looks ok.
> I have only 8-Meg. BTW: the interleave factor makes a big difference!
> Formatting a disk on NeXT is much better than one from a PC.
> I hope this changed in 3.0. (Any 3.0 guy likes to comment on this?)
> 
> 
> Frank
> -----
> fatal error: no .signature

Since I've seen so much bashing about the NeXT's DOS floppy driver here, I feel
the need to add at least another data point: I used to have a SparcStation on
my desk, and I used MS-DOS floppies quite regularly. At least with SunOSes up
to 4.0.1, performance on the MS-DOS FS was extremely poor. Copying a full 1.4
MB to an MS-DOS disk took ~12 minutes. BTW, the SCSI-driver is a similar thing.
I had the same HDDs on the Sparc (SS1) which I have pon the NeXT. On the Sparc
I got between 560 and 820 KB/second using iozone 1.0. On the NeXT it's between
620 and 890 KB/sec. That's not too much compared to a PeeCee, but the PeeCee
can't do anything else while it's IO'ing :-).

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From: perkins@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Stephen Perkins)
Subject: Where can I get Writing Loadable Kernel Servers
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:00:25 GMT

The FAQ says that the book "Writing Loadable Kernel Servers" may be
ordered through Addison-Wesley (if I'm not reading it incorrectly).

When I call them and try to order it (or even find the ten volume
set of technical docs that should include it) they have no idea what
I'm talking about.

Anybody know where I can get a copy of this book??

Many thanks!

- Steve

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From: andrew@cubetech.com (Andrew Loewenstern)
Subject: Re: NeXT and Mac LocalTalk printers?
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:01:24 GMT

In article <55197@athertn.Atherton.COM> dlw@atherton.com (Remo Williams) writes:
>My question is with NeXT's support for LocalTalk under Ethernet (in 3.0) will I  
>be able to see Mac LocalTalk peripherals on the NeXT side? Obviously I'd buy  
>this product if I could PRINT to my LaserWriter NT from my NeXT via this set  
>up. Or will I get this from the NeXT 3.0 Ethertalk support directly?
>
>Anyone from NeXT care to comment?

NeXTSTEP 3.0 does not support LocalTalk at all.  It only supports
EtherTalk.  To acess anything on LocalTalk, you must use either a
bridge or bridge software on the Macintosh.


andrew
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: frank@glocke.hotb.sub.org (Frank Thomas)
Subject: Re: DOS Drive is Slow!!!!!#%$@#&^#@$
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:52:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.195150.4262@mksol.dseg.ti.com>  
dahla@mksol.dseg.ti.com (alexander dahl) writes:
> Am I just dreaming or what.  But to get something off of the
> net I must FTP to a PeeCee machine.  To get it to mine is
> via Floppy Net.
> 
> I cannot imagine that it would be that BIG of a deal to    
> pass out the "new, faster" DOS driver for the NeXT floppy.
> 
> Did I miss something along the way or did NeXT just decide
> that everyone was greatfully enjoyed with a disk drive that
> is slower than a Sinclair floppy?
> 
Even worse: If you copy a big file TO the floppy it gets slower every  
track! The 'TimeMon' reports that the machine has little load, while every  
application seams to be not very responsive. I thought it looks like this  
guy is using very much VM but with 'ps' everything looks ok.
I have only 8-Meg. BTW: the interleave factor makes a big difference!
Formatting a disk on NeXT is much better than one from a PC.
I hope this changed in 3.0. (Any 3.0 guy likes to comment on this?)


Frank
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: tlm@nextasy.physics.mcmaster.ca (Tom Marchioro)
Subject: Re: Y&Y/BSR Computer Modern PostScript fonts
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:29:22 GMT

Hal.Varian@umich.edu writes:
: Has anyone installed Blue Sky Research's Computer Modern  
: PostScript fonts on the NeXT?  I'm trying to install the version  
: Y&Y distributes.
: 

The instructions for how to install the BSR fonts can be found in the
"new" NeXT-TeX manual (i.e. the manual which will come with system 
3.0).  I have a copy if anyone wants it.  I've sent the instructions 
to Hal separately by E-mail, and perhaps he can post if there
are any difficulties in the installation.

Hope this is Helpful

tom


Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: dmm0t@rincewind.mech.Virginia.EDU (David Meyer)
Subject: Re: Squash CORRECTION and question (was: Re: ModPlayer.app.squfold)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:45:19 GMT

In article <Brwr02.Lr3@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu writes:
>Since UnSquash is available as such, why isn't it used more often?  It
>does a lot better compression than even zip and certainly better
>compression than UNIX compress?

$$$.  UnSquash-only is available for free, but Squash itself costs
money.  


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: dean@thrall (Dean Johnson)
Subject: Gotham Users of NeXT  - Please READ
Keywords: slip,ppp
Reply-To: dean%thrall@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Thralldom , Inc. Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 07:03:39 GMT


I'm posting this because I don't have anybody's direct e-mail address.

Anyway the question that I have is about the Internet connectivity that you are  
able to offer your users. I'm involved in two user groups (UWNUG and PSNUG),  
and we are thinking of offering this type of service to our users. If anybody  
from GUN reads this and knows some of the internal of how it is run; drop me a  
line.

I did mail something to postmaster@gun.com, but I don't know if anybody reads  
that user. I have a list of questions online, so when you e-mail me I'll  
forward it. No sense wasting too much more bandwidth.

Thanks for your time,

Dean Johnson
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: cooper%midkemia@plains.nodak.edu (Jeff Cooper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Squash CORRECTION and question (was: Re: ModPlayer.app.squfold)
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:59:37 GMT
Reply-To: cooper%midkemia@plains.nodak.edu (Jeff Cooper)
Organization: North Dakota State University

J.B. Nicholson-Owens writes
> "Matthew E. Kowalczyk" <mk46+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >This is a squash file. You will need "Squash.app" to decompress it.
> 
> Since UnSquash is available as such, why isn't it used more often?  It
> does a lot better compression than even zip and certainly better
> compression than UNIX compress?

Actually, there is a beta version of Zip that beats Squash by quite a bit.   
I used it to zip up ModPlayer and it was about 5K smaller than the  
ModPlayer.app.squfold file.  Which I thought was pretty impressive  
considering that the ModPlayer.app.squfold file was only about 44K in size  
to begin with...

I'm not sure however when it'll be released for general use, so I can't  
provide source code to it.  But it can also work as a filter and it works  
great with Opener, so I have no complaints with it.
-- 
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From: Lyle_Seaman@transarc.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Swapfile Question
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:24:58 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305) writes:
> Also, at the risk of finding out the NeXT can do this, no Unix I have
> seen can shrink a file.  You can truncate them to zero, but as
> desirable as it would be, you can't seem to free part of a file.  On the
> surface this would seem to be a simple thing to do so maybe somebody
> does it, but I haven't seen it.

     ftruncate(fd, length)
     int fd, length;

   Description
     The truncate system call causes the file named by path or referenced by
     fd to be truncated to, at most, length bytes in size.  If the file pre-
     viously was larger than this size, the extra data is lost.  With ftrun-
     cate, the file must be open for writing.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ray@mtl.mit.edu (Ray Ghanbari)
Subject: BCS-NeXT August Meeting announcement
Keywords: spreadsheets,objects
Reply-To: ray@mtl.mit.edu
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Distribution: ne
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:56:18 GMT


Once again, MacWorld is coming to Boston, so it's time for the BCS-NeXT  
Super Blowout!

Tuesday, August 4th, 7 PM
MIT Room 6-120
Cambridge, Mass.
Corner of Mass. Ave. and Memorial Drive in Cambridge,
or by T: Red Line to Kendall Square


Athena Design Announces:
Mesa - the NeXT Plateau in Spreadsheets

Mesa is the first traditional spreadsheet written for NeXTSTEP.  Be there  
to see Mesa execute Lotus 1-2-3 macros, a real-time stock feed demo,  
advanced charting, and other, as yet unveiled, secrets and surprises!

The major announcement of the summer - don't miss it!
Win a free copy of Mesa at the meeting!



Panel Discussion:
"Application Building Blocks: Bricks of the Future?"

While Taligent, NT, and Solaris shimmer on the horizon, the NeXT community  
has had three years to explore, examine, and evaluate the potential of  
object-based computing,  The question now is:  Has it and will it fulfill  
its promise?

Our panel of industry pundits will discuss both the technical and business  
challenges that object-based computing presents and solves.



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From: yu@cs.utexas.edu (Yeong-Ho Yu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Where to find public domain ZyXEL driver?
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc
Date: 22 Jul 1992 07:09:37 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: ai.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: ZyXEL, driver

 Where can I find a public domain ZyXEL driver which runs in
a Unix environment?  Specifically, I want to use a Supra modem with
my NeXT station.  Somebody posted before that he could at least send
a fax with a public domain ZyXEL driver.

 Many thanks in advance.

Yeong
--------
From: sutter@calvin.usc.edu (Carl Sutter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Looking for Weather Map BackSpace Module
Date: 30 Jul 1992 10:40:51 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.usc.edu

I'd like a BackSpace module to go out and grab the hourly weather
maps available on the Internet.  Is such a beast already written, or is
anyone working on one?  If not I may attempt it.  Any info on this
(including good weather map ftp sites) would be greatly appreciated.

- Carl Sutter
sutter@usc.edu (NeXTmail OK)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.programmer
From: muthu@mecad.uta.edu (S.N. Muthukrishnan)
Subject: Is there any good tutorial on Interface Builder
ReplyTo: muthu@mecad.uta.edu
Organization: University of Texas at Arlington
NntpPostingHost: mecad.uta.edu
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:24:05 GMT
X-Bytes: 732

Hello there,

I am looking for a good tutrial on Interface Builder.
My basic question is if I have a program which I want
to execute thro' a GUI, how do I tell the interface to
call such and such a program and run it. I was successful
to the extent of creating a interface, but was unable to
execute it as I did'nt know how to link them all.

Sorry if I sound to naive.

Thanks for any help.

Muthu

PS: I got IB Demo and the Draft version of IB with me.
They don't say anything about linking C programs to these
interfaces!



S. N. Muthukrishnan                   muthu@mecad.uta.edu (NeXT mail)
Department of Mechanical Engineering  muthu@me.uta.edu
University of Texas at Arlington      muthu@mech.uta.edu
Arlington, TX  76019

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: dblakele@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean D Blakeley)
Subject: Keymapping PF Keys
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 02:33:00 GMT

Greetings NeXTheads:

Got a problem here.  There is a system I'm trying to use which requires
that I do a keymapping of PF keys for the NeXT keyboard.  I'm logging
in to a DEC mainframe that uses Ultrix 4.2 (I believe) and am getting
into a sub-system that is set up to do CD-ROM searches on a set of
CD's for MEDLINE.  I'm connecting using the NeXT-kermit from the network
(with pretty much no documentation as I've found out) with a 68040 cube
and a DoveFax modem through a standard POTS line (no ISDN yet, Ha!).

My instructions from the user site were rather unhelpful, but then again
that's what I get for beating a bunch of DOS-heads with a NeXT.  Any
suggestions via email will be helpful, and I'll summarize once I get
my new account set up at Duke University with internet access.  Thanks.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NEW KEYBOARD!! HURRAY!
From: feijai@endor.byu.edu (Sean Luke)
Date: 31 Jul 92 11:35:42 -0700
Reply-To: sean@digaudio.byu.edu

In article <1992Jul31.051246.5997@csus.edu>  writes:
> Hint: If you have Adobe Illustrator, you can copy the graphic to
> a file with a .ai suffix, open that, and remove the annotations
> for a better look at what's underneath.

Hint:  Some of us don't have Adobe Illustrator, nor do we have the 3.0  
manuals.  We'd like to be in on the joke too, please!  :)



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