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Subject: Re: When does one buy new hockey skates?
From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:22:17 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <1992Apr5.151217.39053@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, vonwaadn@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|>
|> 
|> How can you tell you need new skates?

When the sharpener starts grinding away at the blade holder?

Or when your toes poke out through the remains of the toe cap?



-- 
Alan Hepburn           "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain
National Semiconductor       a little temporary safety deserve neither
Santa Clara, Ca              liberty nor safety."
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Benjamin Franklin
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From: slash@eastern.COM (Julian So)
Subject: Strike and its aftermath
Organization: Eastern's Public Access BBS, Toronto CAN
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 15:21:47 GMT

Just wondering...

Now that the strike is over, what happens to the regular season. Is it right 
out the window (ie the leafs don't get to catch minny :)?), or what. Are the 
playoffs going to be abbreviated? And for those who live in the toronto 
area, what's up with the Unity hockey tournament? Do the kids still get to 
play at maple leaf gardens? And while I'm on a roll.... Who came out on top 
last night -Ziegler and the owners or Bob and the players? I missed the late 
night news conference (watching a movie...much more interesting).

Julian
From: 880691c@ace.acadiau.ca (MATT CUNDILL)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Perfect record??
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:33:16 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

>From: agouldng@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Allan Goulding)

>A quick look through the NHL guide shows no team with zero losses on a season.
>The best record in the modern era (>=70 games) is the Montreal Canadiens
>in 1976-77 with a record of 60W, 8L, 12T = 132 points. 

Wasn't that the 1977-78 season?? It was that year that the Habs won their 
third consecutive cup in Boston. 

MATT
From: rbrbrn@meteor.wisc.edu (Rob Holmes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NCAA ruling on the Badgers
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:10:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Meteorology and Space Science

Well the ruling was handed down from the NCAA about the altercation between the
referee and some members of the Badgers today.  I wish I could tell you what the
ruling was but everybody is being real hush-hush about it, which in my mind
indicates that it is on the severe side.  Right now, the Badgers are working on
the appeal process and i guess they have until April 21 to make an appeal.
It could be that the Badgers would be prohibited from future post-season play.
If that's the case, the NCAA hockey commitee would be shooting itself in the
foot because next years final four will be held in Milwaukee.  Several people
i've talked have told me that they would not attend if that was the case. I had
planned on attending even if the Badgers didn't make it to the final four, but
if they are prohibited from the tourny, I will not go.  
It's really hard to imagine that the punishment would be that harsh.  After all,
this was only a verbal confrontation, no punches were thrown.  Other NCAA 
players and coaches and they get away with it.  In basketball, it gets you a
technical!
Time will only tell.

THE ROBBER BARON
From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Awesome Nordique PP
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:17:38 GMT

I was watching the Buffalo-Quebec game last night.
I think Quebec had 5 power-play goals!!!
If they make a trade for Lindros and get a few decent players
 (ie. --> NYI for Turgeon, Hogue, Marois)
they are going to be unbelievable!

Picture this power-play:

Sakic and WHOCARES at the point
Kamensky, Nolan, Sundin as forwards.
It looked like the Oilers of the mid-80's.

BTW, did anyone see that idiot who jumped into the Sabres bench?
I'm sure he'll never do it again, after the pounding he took
from Rob Ray.  The announcer says, "I'm being conservative here;
I think that fan took 47 punches from Ray"

A classic Hebsie (I guess only Ontario residents understand that)

--Dave
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From: chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin)
Subject: Re: NHL Strike
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:55:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.162610.3461@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, bharriso@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bob Harrison) writes:
> 
> I wonder if the owners have strike insurance, and maybe have had since
> the start of the season.

Ziegler said at Saturday's press conference that the owners don't have strike
insurance.

> Who does everyone think the 4 players who voted against the Strike are ??
> 
> My guess is a few Russians or Other Europeean (sp?) players who are just
> happy to have a large contract in the NHL as opposed to what they had before.

I'm sure the Russians voted just like the majority, since they may not fully
understand the issues.  It's unfair to speculate on specific players, but the
four were likely marginal NHLers who are at or past their prime.

Glenn
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From: chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin)
Subject: NHL team leaders in +/-
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:28:29 GMT

1991-92 NHL team leaders in +/- through Mar 31 games

Boston		Jim Wiemer	   D	+10
Buffalo		Pat LaFontaine	   F	+11
Calgary		Gary Roberts	   F	+27
Chicago		Jeremy Roenick	   F	+27
Detroit		Paul Ysebaert	   F	+41	(league leader)
Edmonton	Norm MacIver	   D	+20
Hartford	Mikael Andersson   F	+18
Los Angeles	Peter Ahola	   D	+11
Minnesota	Jim Johnson	   D	+10
Montreal	Brent Gilchrist	   F	+28
New Jersey	Claude Vilgrain	   F	+31
NY Islanders	Benoit Hogue	   F	+27
NY Rangers	Mark Hardy	   D	+32
Philadelphia	Mark Howe	   D	+17
Pittsburgh	Larry Murphy	   D	+34
Quebec		Mikhail Tatarinov  D	+ 9
St. Louis	Lee Norwood	   D	+13
San Jose	Dale Craigwell	   F	- 3
Toronto		Doug Gilmour	   F	+28
		Mike Krushelnyski  F	- 4	(Leaf for entire season)
Vancouver	Jyrki Lumme	   D	+25
Washington	Kelly Miller	   F	+24
Winnipeg	Teppo Numminen	   D	+13

11 of the 22 team leaders are defencemen.
From: pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pravin Devineni Ratnam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Hockey money from Canadian TV
Date: 13 Apr 92 04:41:52 GMT
Organization: Senior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



Does the NHL get any revenue from Canadian TV? If not, I think the NHL
should attempt  to get more money from them considering hockey is the
equivalent of football and baseball  put together for Canada.

It's only an opinion. Any comments on this issue?
From: pkemp@byron.u.washington.edu (Paul Kemp)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: I'd like to know - Help me, please!
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:11:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr9.211141.976
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr9.160153.16446@lily.waterloo.edu> kwfrackl@lily04.waterloo.edu (SCOOP-meister) writes:
B
>
>>What is longest Stanley Cup game ever played?
>>
>My guess is that is was the Division semi-finals (Patrick) a few years
>ago between the Washington Capitals and the New York Islanders.  Pat Lafontaine
>(the turncoat) scored in the third period of overtime at about 2:30 AM EST.
>
Wasn't it in the FOURTH overtime period?


pk
no sig here
From: prevost@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Scott Prevost)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Flyers Playoffs (was Re: FLYERS notes 4/1)
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:47:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Sorry if this article appears more than once; my newsreader crashed in
mid-post. 

In article<ARBOGASTW.78@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu>ARBOGASTW@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu
(Warren Arbogast) writes:

>Tell me Joe, why are you, as a Flyers fan so upset about the STRIKE? If 
>memory serves me, the last time the Flyers actually PLAYED hockey at this 
>time of year, the Caps beat them in a seven game OT thriller. Your beloved 
>Flyers fired Mike Keenan, kept Rick Tocchet, and haven't been heard from 
>since.

Well, your memory doesn't seem to be working very well.  The last time
the Flyers were in the playoffs, they played Montreal in the Wales
Conference Finals, after beating Pittsburgh in 7 games and WASHINGTON
in 6.  The year was 1989.  I can see why a Caps fan would want to
supress the memory, but maybe you should try to get your facts
straight before attacking other teams.  Maybe you remember Hextall
scoring his second goal in that series (in Washington)--sorry I guess
you supressed that memory as well.

By the way, Mike Keenan wasn't coaching the Flyers in 1989, so it
seems you have another fact misconstrued.  


>If I were a Flyer fan, the end of the strike wouldn't be near as important 
>to me as fielding a team that can someday, hopefully, make a go of it in a 
>league where 16 of the twenty-two teams make the playoffs.

I don't think Joe ever said that fielding a good team was unimportant
to him.  

>And let's don't hear about the playoff system being unfair.

Have you heard any Flyer's fan on this net say this?  Don't accuse us
of saying things we haven't said!                   

>Perhaps you can use your obvious creativity and come up with something 
>like "WHINING, SNIVELING, & CRYING" or perhaps the more efficient 
>"FLYERS NOTES."

I think you have the Flyers and Caps fans confused.  Or maybe you have
the teams confused.  Remember Cryin' Murray--the king of the criers!


>Warren (aka "idiot")

Your honesty is commendable.


>(And yes, Joe, I know the Flyers won the season series against the Caps this 
>year....But, Joe those are regular season games and nobody outside of Philly 
>and the owners bargaining committee cares too much about these games.)

Does that mean that Caps fans don't care?  You'd think they would care
about regular season games since they know they'll just choke in the
playoffs anyway.
                                                    
-Scott Prevost
prevost@linc.cis.upenn.edu
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From: mason@habs11.enet.dec.com (Gary Mason)
Subject: Re: Rub It In Pavel! Rub It In!
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 17 APR 92 08:19:34 EST

>in slow motion. Bure skated in on Hurdey, then with the tip of his stick, backhanded the puck into his skates, then kicked it back out in front and put a shot
>on goal. He had Hurdey sprawled on the ice, but the shot didn't lift, and hurdey
>managed to stop it.
> 
>In anycase, this prompted Jim Fox one of the commentators for Prime Ticket (the 
>cable station that carries the kings in Southern california) to make the remark."Its ok to beat us, but Don't rub it in." This was said in a condescending and
>almost threatening tone. What the Hell is that!!! I've come to realize that
>almost all commentators are biased but this was crazy. Was he implying that
>the kings were going to "pay back" Bure for his tricks? What do you king fans 
>think?
> 
> 
> 
>     OF course IMHO,
>     Ted formeza@aludra.usc.edu
> 
>     GO! PENS!
> 
> 
mason@habs11.enet.dec.com
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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Dear Sherri
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:08:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.141330.3602@ists.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.UUCP (Deepak CHHABRA) writes:
>First, I believe that the Jets were mentioned as an example of a team without
>a significant revenue base, not as the most awesome display on skates.  Your
>answer avoids the question, which is 'How can a team with a small revenue base
>compete with a team with a *huge* revenue base without a draft (and with total
>free agency, presumably)?

How do you define "compete"?

>Second, let's consider your extreme draft scenarios.  What do you think scouts
>do?  You seem to argue that teams go blindly into a draft and pick players for
>the hell of it.  This simply isn't true.  The fact of the matter is that all
>NHL teams have some type of farm system, in which they do develop talent.

I'm not arguing that at all.  What I am arguing is that scouting and
developing players is a very difficult task.  The younger you draft
players, the more difficult it is.  

>But even this is flawed; teams with more money can obviously support more
>extensive player development programs. And larger population centres have more
>talent to develop in the first place.  So some type of mechanism is necessary
>for parity.  That mechanism is the draft.  

If the teams with more money have more and better scouting, and more and
better player development, then how is the draft helping parity?


>WRONG.  True, a player wants to play.  But he also wants to go to a winner 
>that can pay him a lot of money. 

True.  But one team can only find room for so many players.  Would a player
go to a winner who would pay him lots of money if he were scratched half
the time?

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
From: cernivan@acf3.nyu.edu (Carlo Cernivani)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: THERE IS A GOD!!!!
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:36:38 GMT
Organization: New York University

The strike is over!  The season resumes on Sunday!!  The playoffs 
begin next Saturday!!!  THERE IS A GOD!!!!!!

LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!!!!!!

NOTE:  Islander players will be available for benefit golf outings
       next week.  To all those Islander fans who revelled in seeing
       Ranger fans get depressed....   SUFFER BABY, SUFFER!!!

-MSG, Sec. 309

Carlo Cernivani
New York University
251 Mercer St.
New York, N.Y.  10012
From: v129qpcx@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (BRIAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: hockey pool
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:40:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi! I am looking to write to andrew in reference to his playoff hockey pool. I 
am not a member of your regular season pool, and just happened to come across 
your message about the playoffs. I would to get involved, assuming that there 
will be playoffs! Let me know if this is still possible, and exactly where to 
send my entries to. Thanks!
                                        Brian Carl

				email me at: v129qpcx@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Rangers-Devils - first verbal salvo fired
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:29:16 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)


"Our fans can come out and see all our games," said Neil Smith on
the radio today.  Ooohhh!!! (-;  It will be interesting to see how
many Devils fans can snap up tickets before the Ranger hoards grab
them from Meadowlands.

gld
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From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: Examining the books (was Re: The upcoming STRIKE.)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:49:14 GMT

jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) writes:

>The problem I have with this is that both Detroit and Washington have
>good teams, and come very close to selling out every game,

Well...Detroit has had pathetic teams and still drawn quite well.
Great fans. :-) They also have a huge arena unlike, the Cap Centre.

>and Quebec,
>pitiful as they are, do a good job of drawing fans to the arena
>(Canadian fans love hockey, where U.S. "fans" only like it when their
>team is doing well...).  

Well, John, I'm sure the neurotic "Don't Bash the US (even if you're not)"
Police will be around to visit you shortly! :-) :-)

> Yes, I am aware that some owners siphon off money to their
>other holdings (such as the concessions and builing rental), so the
>picture in obscured, but since player's salaries are public knowledge,
>why isn't the owner's profits?

I'm sure the rhetoric of the owners is markedly different when speaking
to the NHLPA than it is when speaking to a group of business men who
want to invest in a new franchise. We might never get to see "the books"
concerning _all_ of the profit generated for an owner by a franchise,
but I'm sure those seeking franchises had a pretty good picture.

To imply that they'd pay $100 million to be part of at $9-22 million
loss is silly. As someone pointed out, if franchises were to lose that
much money, one would cost about $10. How about the millions the league
is going to pay the Jets to stay put? Pretty generous for an 
organization that is supposedly losing money.

>-JPC

Brian Down (Bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
From: rbrbrn@meteor.wisc.edu (Rob Holmes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: NCAA officiating
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:01:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Meteorology and Space Science

I think that the biggest problem with the officiating in the NCAA Championship
game was that the referee was from the east and the teams were from the west,
where a more defensive, "clutch and grab" game is played.  Obviuosly, this hurt
the badgers much more than LSSU.  This inconsistancy should be avoided as much
as possible.  Why didn't they use officials from the WCHA or the CCHA?  It
would seem to make more sense.
Also, anyone who's ever played the game knows that when you are already down a
man, you can generally get away with a little more, especially when it comes to
interference in front of the net.  Calls at nuetral ice, unless extremely
blatant, usually are let go.  This was not the case in the WI, LSSU game.  It's
hard as a player to abandon a style of hockey that you've played all year, and
most of your life, because the ref decides to call everything he sees.  The
slash and misconduct call on MacDonald was an extremly bad call.
I believe that many of us that have been involved with the game of hockey can
appreciate the feelings of the Badgers after the game.  It is those who only
can watch the game that can agree with the officiating.

P.S.  Does anyone know the results of the Des Moines, Debuque USHL championship
series?  I would also like results of the National tourny in Omaha.
thanx

---THE ROBBER BARON
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From: andria@white.toronto.edu (Andria L. Hunter)
Subject: Tournament Schedule for Women's IIHF World Championships
Keywords: women's hockey world championships IIHF
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:29:10 GMT


           +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
           WOMEN'S IIHF WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS
           +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=

Where:      Tampere, Finland
When:       April 20th thru April 26

Countries  Represented:

            POOL A                POOL B

            Canada                United States
            Sweden                Finland
            Denmark               Switzerland
            China                 Norway

Schedule:

            DATE          COUNTRIES               TIME

            April 20      Canada - China          12:00
                          Sweden - Denmark        15:00
                          USA - Switzerland       17:00
                          Finland - Norway        18:30

            April 21      China - Sweden          13:30
                          Norway - USA            15:00
                          Denmark - Canada        17:00
                          Switzerland - Finland   18:30

            April 23      Denmark - China         13:30
                          Canada - Sweden         15:00
                          Norway - Switzerland    16:00
                          Finland - USA           18:30

            April 24      A3 - B4                 15:00
                          B3 - A4                 18:30

            April 25      A1 - B2                 15:00
                          B1 - A2                 18:30

            April 26      7 - 8                   13:00
                          3 - 4                   13:30
                          5 - 6                   16:00
                          1 - 2                   17:00

Andria Hunter
andria@white.toronto.edu

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From: chin@sask.usask.ca (Glenn Chin)
Subject: Wirtz and Snyder (was Re: Pens, Martha meet to discuss strike)
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:39:03 GMT

In article <IdtMBrG00WBO41_N9I@andrew.cmu.edu>, "James J. Murawski" <jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> People have been saying that as a result of
> this strike, maybe it's the beginning of the end for Ziegler.  We can only
> hope that it's also the beginning of the end of Wirtz.

It's been suggested that Wirtz will resign his post as chairman of the board of
governors soon.  Another Ziegler supporter, Ed Snyder, has been vacationing in
Hawaii(?) during these negotiations.  Perhaps Snyder's influence has diminished.

Glenn
From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: latest news on the strike
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:03:28 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

It's now 1400 hours (2PM) PDT here in sunny California and I just got off the
phone after talking to a Sharks rep (who shall remain nameless).  According to him; 
although the "deadline"has come and gone, there is still talks going on and he is hopeful 
that something will still be worked out.  The main stumbling blocks are free agency and 
merchandising revenue.

He also speculated that if the playoffs do get underway than we may see some 5 game
series rather than 7 game series to minimally impact arena scheduling.

As far as awards and drafts go, he mentioned that they are operating on the assumption
that it will be business as usual.  In fact the Board of Governors is meeting now
discussing this issue.

I know it's not a lot of definitive information, but there is still a ray of hope
that we will salvage something out of this mess.

-- 
Alan Hepburn           "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain
National Semiconductor       a little temporary safety deserve neither
Santa Clara, Ca              liberty nor safety."
alan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Benjamin Franklin
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: WFAN (Was: Kiss the playoffs goodbye)
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:24:20 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Distribution: na
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)

popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich) writes:
>jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu (James J. Murawski) writes:
>> Unfortunately, Gary, the other five hockey fans in New York must
>> not listen to WFAN radio.  8-) 8-)
>
>Actually, there were at least five hockey fans who called in later
>that night, but I think some of them were from out of town.

You were working late, too, eh?  Now that I remember it, there was
a call from MONTREAL around 4:00 AM ... a guy named Sylvain.  Or,
was that last night? (?)  Either WFAN is carried on cable up there
or Sylvain has a good antenna -- the night of the strike, Steve got
a call from New Bruswick, too.  Unfortunately, there's too much crap
here in Manhattan to get any of the higher-powered stations (so I can
hear Mike Lange of the Penguins, or Les Habs ...).

I had switched away to Big World Cafe' on WFUV-FM (Fordham U.);
Bill Pringle at Unisys posted their schedule (it's syndicated)
on one of the music groups recently ... worth checking out.

gld
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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