HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: Question: wheel rebuilding
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 01:41:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Keywords: n

I prefer Continental Gran Prix tires with steel beads.
On my Campi Omega aero rims I can pull them right off
without a tool and they slip on so easy that it's almost
a crime. In 10,000 miles I haven't had a lick of trouble
from blow-offs and I run 130 lb.s all of the time.

I have seen Conti GP's (folders) blow-off and I was 
recently forced to buy one due to a lack of steel bead models.
It fits _much_ tighter on the rim than the steel bead.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: somerville@BAE2.NCSU.EDU (SOMERVILLE)
Subject: Re: Greg L. and TdF helment usage
Reply-To: somerville@BAE2.NCSU.EDU (SOMERVILLE)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:36:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.122835.540@b15.b15.ingr.com>, saj@b15.b15.ingr.com (Steve Jernigan) writes:
>Does anyone know why Greg Lemond was not wearing a helmet in a large number
>of his last stages of this years TdF?  In the first major ITT, he seemed
>to be the only contender to not be wearing a helmet.  Even if we forget the
>saftey issue, what about aerodynamics?  Greg is known as a detail man, so
>why did he go less-aero than his co-riders?  I also saw Chiapucci (sp?) wearing
>a helmet more often than most.  It seems a strange turn of events.  Does
>anyone have any insight into this?
>
>Steve J.

It was very interesting to see Chiappucci wearing his helmet for all
but the last few kilometers saturday!  Does anyone still want to
complain that helmets are too hot and heavy?

I also was surprised that Lemond did not wear a helmet for the first
ITT.  It seems some of the riders, including Indurain, are now using
a visor attached to the helmet.  Is this more aerodynamic?

I notice that overall the racers are not wearing helmets so much this
year.  Have the rules changed since last year?  Are any fines actually
being collected?


Misc: I was glad to see Steven Roche finally have his day yesterday!
I have a pair of shoes with his name on them.  I do not think Greg
deserves any negative criticism for his actions this year.  I was
upset by some of his whining during last year's TDF, but this year
he has handled the disaster like a real champion (IMHO).  I personally
think his problems are completely mental -- he seems simply
to have no motivation.  I think he might do well to retire at the end of
this year and take up MTB racing.  It would be an exciting change for
him, and he might have a few good years at the top of the sport.
Just an idea though.

Barry Tompkins continues to make my skin crawl each day.  Does anyone
remember the first or second day of coverage when he even called
it the "Tour du Pont" at one point?

Bad time for Phil Ligett to lose his voice! He seems to be holding out
well, and I'm sure we all wish him the best.


--
Garth Somerville
somerville@bae.ncsu.edu
From: ocavazos@lonestar.utsa.edu (Oscar S. Cavazos)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: ?? on world champ colors
Keywords: world championship
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:23:09 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

Here is a question that has been bothering me for some time.

The current World Champion (road racing) is allowed to wear his
rainbow colored jersey for the year in which he reigns.

Question, was it my imagination or was G. Lemond wearing a rainbow
colored collar on his Team Z jersey.

It really looked like the World Champ's colors, so are their any rules
for past winners of the Championship, i.e. do you get to wear a rainbow
colored collar for some odd number of years?

Also, does anyone have the date and location for this years WC race.

Thanks.
From: irwin@uvmark.uucp (Frank Irwin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: What happened?
Date: 31 Jul 92 17:11:38 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul30.205041.13627@panix.com> paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:
>In <23001@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith) writes:
>
>>In rec.bicycles, naru@eng.umd.edu (Naruhisa Takashima) writes:
>>>Last night (12/29) I taped the 12:30 to 2:05 (12/30 am) Olympic converage
>>>in hopes of seeing some track event.  Well, this morning as I fast
>>>forwarded through the volley ball and boxing, I came up to the end
>>>of the show!  Did I skip through the track coverage?
>
> They skipped the cycling because they have their prioritites. They had
>to give a travelog segment on the hot spot strip in Barcelona. They
>have only so much time alloted for sport between their magazine human
>interest features and the commercials. 

Nah, they skipped the cycling because they saw that Ilana switched off
the women's road race.  They figured that if a cyclist wasn't interested
in watching Olympic Cycling, who would be?

:-)

-- 
 ============================================================================
 Frank Irwin                   | My nomination for rec.gambling motto:
 Vmark Software, Inc.          |  "WTH?  HODYGTV, A?  AIR?
 irwin%uvmark@merk.com         |     - Timothy Whalen (twhalen@nunki.usc.edu)
From: dlp@zule.Eng.Sun.COM (Dan Pritchett - SunSoft Engineer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: MTB Touring (was: Touring bicycles -- an extict breed?)
Date: 29 Jul 1992 14:59:13 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: zule

In article <11mm_xr.tomk@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
|> I'm pretty curious about recombents. Isn't the much lower position
|> increasing your chances of an accident? What about attaching
|> panniers etc? The long wheelbase looks like it pretty seriously harms
|> the manuveurability of the bike.
|> 
The lower position reduces the chance of an accident. Lower center of
gravity equates to higher stability. Also, head-overs on a recumbent
are extremely rare. My wife moved a little too far to the right on
a 30+ mph descent and dumped the bike in the gravel on the side of
the road. She got a bruised butt, which because of the great seat on
these bikes she was able to finish the last 12 miles with a minimum
of discomfort.

Standard racks and panniers attach to the back wheel. In fact you
have a little more space because you don't have to worry about your
feet clearing the bags.

Slow speed manuveurability is reduced slightly, but high speed stability
is great. The long wheelbase bikes are very stable from about 10 mph
up.

|> And lastly, here in the San Francisco bay area we have lots of
|> 10% and greater hills to climb. In fact, most of the good riding 
|> is in the hills since the traffic is more limited. Although I
|> have seen a couple of recumbents running about they always seem a 
|> great deal slower than your standard safety bike. So how are they
|> in real hills?
What a great myth this is. I live in the SF bay area. I've climbed
Tunitas Creek, Old La Honda, and Pierce road on my Ryan. I am slower
than people that climb out of the saddle, but faster than those that
sit and use their gears to spin. Simple physics here apply. A seated
recumbent rider can deliver more power to the pedals than a seated
diamond frame rider, but less power than a diamond frame rider that
is out of the seat. So, if you climbing style is to stay seated (which
is common for touring) then you climb faster on a recumbent. If you
attack the hills agressively then you are slower on a recumbent. I've
embarassed a few diamond frame riders that thought they would leave
me in the dust because I was sitting a comfortable bike.


Dan Pritchett               | ARPA/Internet: dlp@zule.Eng.Sun.COM
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                   (from Thick as a Brick)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: as789@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Francisco J. Diaz)
Subject: The tour is over..:-(
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 12:56:07 GMT


Well, The Tour is over. Congratulations to Miguel, he deserves it
as he rode an excellent Tour (even tho I wanted to see some more
hard core attacking fron his part just like the in the TT) And
also for Claudio...second again..:-( But he will win it one of
these days..:-) Now comes the WCC soon..lets see how that one
goes. I guess the favorite is Indurain again..:-) How about team
Z's story? Anyone has any info on their sponsorship? I have heard
that the team will break up as their sponsor (Z) retired from 
cycling and the team support...Anyone has any other news that may
want to share with us? :-) Cheers All! Later! :-)
-- 
|     Francisco J. Diaz Rivera     |                           |
|     University of Puerto Rico    | If the shoe fits, buy it! |
|  "I hate calculus classes!" :-)  |           - Imelda Marcos |
|     STUD137@CUTB.UPR.CLU.EDU     |                           |
From: calloway@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Frank Calloway)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: cleaning and lubricating a chain
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:24:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO

In rec.bicycles, jyk50@quts.ccc.amdahl.com (  242  J Kretschmann III) writes:

>  No.  The one drawback of waxing a chain is that it washes off easily after
>  one wet ride.  You would be rewaxing after every ride.

This seems to be one of those "your mileage may vary" things.  I've 
been waxing chains for years, frequently ride in the rain, and have
had no problems with rust, squeaking, or unusual wear on the chain 
or chainrings.

Frank Calloway
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: lisap@olomana.soest.hawaii.edu (Lisa Petersen)
Subject: Re: Barry Tompkins (Was: Re: ESPN & TdF)
Originator: lisap@olomana
Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:24:20 GMT

Kurt R. Krueger (KKRUEGER@Zeus.unomaha.edu) writes:

>One very annoying thing about all of these announcers is the way they but-
>cher the foreign names.  Here are a few:
>
>                 What they say           Should be
>                 ---------------------------------------
>Indurain         IN-dur-ain              een-do-ra-EEN
>L'Alpe D'Huez    lalp-DO-ez              lalp-do-AY

Nope, sorry.  L'Alpe d'Huez is pronounced correctly by the announcers
as "lalp doo ez".  The final z in the name is voiced because Huez is
not a French word.

Lisa Petersen


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: smitty@es.com (Maurice Smith)
Subject: Re: Avocet 30: mounting trans. ring
Reply-To: smitty@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:47:00 GMT


-- 
Here's some info that may be of use:

There is a catalog company call "Loose Screws" which carries all sorts of
parts (not the whole thing just the parts to fix it).  Avocet parts are
some of the parts they carry.  Here is a transcription of the Avocet
section.

	BATTERIES

	AV-905049	BATTERY, ALTIMITER 50		$2.00
	AV-905013	BATTERY, CYCLOMETER 30		$2.00
	AV-905051	BATTERY, CYCLOMETER 40		$2.00

	CABLE TIES

	AV-905020	CABLE TIE PACKET	BAG-8	$1.20

	MOUNT KITS

	AV-905045	CADENCE MOUNT KIT		$10.00
	AV-905010K	MOUNT KIT, REAR		BLACK	$13.00
	AV-905010Y	MOUNT KIT, REAR		GREY	$13.00
	AV-905052	MOUNT KIT, STANDARD	GREY	$ 8.00
	AV-905053	MOUNT KIT, LONG		GREY	$ 8.00
	AV-905055	MOUNT KIT, STANDARD	BLACK	$ 8.00
	AV-905056	MOUNT KIT, LONG		BLACK	$ 8.00

	TRANSMITTERS

	AV-000000	TRANSMITTER, FRONT DISK		$5.00
	AV-905011  	TRANSMITTER 3-PRONG, 36H  	$2.50
	AV-905959  	TRANSMITTER 4-PRONG, 32H  	$2.50
	AV-905012K	TRANSMITTER,REAR	BLACK	$5.00
	AV-905012Y	TRANSMITTER,REAR	GREY	$5.00

LOOSE SCREWS
12225 HWY 66
ASHLAND OR 97520
(503) 488-4800
(503) 488-0080 FAX

======================================================================
 Maurice Smith                     |" I feel much better now that I've
 smitty@dsd.es.com  (use it!)      |  given up all hope." 
 Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. | 
 Salt Lake City, Utah              |  #include <standard_disclaimer>


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: mwo21417@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Danger Mike)
Subject: Custom built road racing bike for sale.
Summary: bike for sale
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:00:54 GMT
Keywords: bicycle,sale

Custom bOlympic Road Bike For Sale 

Will trade for an IBM compatible (386 or better) or cash ($1200 computer
for $1800 bike). Size is 54.5 cm, ultegra group, scott drop-in bars, 
clipless pedals.  Call Chris Petty at 1-217-352-4058 .
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: gregory@cs.sfu.ca (Gregory Sidebottom)
Subject: Re: Help! Knee Pain
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:37:23 GMT

In article <168328CE8.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:

   In article <25639@sophia.inria.fr>
   chandy@marais.inria.fr (Chandra SHEKHAR) writes:

   >
   >I started biking recently (about 4 weeks ago), and
   >I have been doing it rather intensely for the past
   >2 weeks (2 hrs/day in a hilly region). I have started
   >experiencing pain in my left knee, along with a funny
   >feeling that the joint has become a little looser.
   >
   >Can someone tell me what I must be doing wrong?
   >
   The main cause of knee pain and damage in new riders is pedaling
   in too high a gear. New riders are often surprised to find that
   the preferred rate of pedaling- around 90 revs/minute- is *much*
   faster than they're been doing, or are initially comfortable with.

While pedaling in too high a gear may be part of the problem, I'd
guess that Chandra is simply over doing it too soon.  If you just
started biking 4 weeks ago, your body is probably not ready to go 2
hours a day.  Ease into biking a little slower and build up gradually.
Maybe cycle for an hour a day (or at least not enough time to make
your knees hurt), and add 5 minutes to each day's ride as long as your
knees feel OK.  Soon, you'll be able to ride as long as you want.

Greg
-- 
Greg Sidebottom,                                      | There's not a word that
Expert Systems Laboratory, Centre for Systems Science | goes here that rhymes
Simon Fraser University, Burnaby BC V5A 1S6, Canada   | with anything. -CVB
From: d3a132@pnl.gov (Carl P Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Car Mounts
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:08:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: oracle.1992Jul23.210843.24726
Reply-To: d3a132@pnl.gov
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories

It seems to me that someone came out with a really elegant way
to put bike (and other) attachments on the taurus.  They also
had a nice aftermarket rack I think.  Unfortunately, I can't
remember who they was (Rolle?  something like that).  I think
that Performance (the catalog) carried thier stuff for a while.

How's that for titillation?

I have seen these things, I just have a defective memory.


Carl P Baker
cp_baker@pnl.gov
509-375-2724

Disclaimer: Any opinions expressed here are not necessarily
those of anyone in particular. Further, my employer is not
responsible for any opinions herein, or for any...(humorous
slam of employer deleted in the interests of)...
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bschwart@ferris.cray.com (Robert J. Schwartz)
Subject: Lemond Toast?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 25 Jul 92 22:34:27 CDT

In article holz@midway.uchicago.edu writes, under a different subject line:
>The ages of the winners:
>
>	1922  Lambot, 36
>       1952  Coppi, 32
>	1948  Bartali, 34
>	1964  Anquetil, 30
>	1974  Merckx, 29
>	1980  Zoetemelk, 33
>	1985  Hinault, 30
>	1989  Lemond, 28
>
>Jim H

Two things have struck me recently about the career direction of Greg Lemond.
One was that it takes a ton of money to support a viable contender in the
Tour and, after the last two years performance and given Z's dropping their
sponsorship after this year, Greg is unlikely to have that kind of support
in future Tours. 

The other was that, at age 31, Greg is hardly over the hill with respect to
Tour contention. Jim's post has lead me to re-evaluate that opinion.

What I've listed above are the final victories of several great multiple
winners along with a couple of others of interest. I guess what took me was
the relative young age at which Anquetil, Merckx, and Hinault took their 5th
victories.  15 championships between them and none after age 30. Zoetemelk
is the most recent "older" champion, aided by Hinault's tendonitis during 
that year.

Just an observation.

Bob Schwartz
bschwart@cray.com
From: pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Need MTB value assessment...
Date: 29 Jul 92 10:02:13 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University


I am pondering the sale of my MTB, but I'm not sure how
much I should expect to get for it. I actually would like
to purchase a new frame/fork combo since I find the
frame I have been riding to be too large(22 in) for
really technical offroad riding(ball bar is oh so near...)
My mechanic suggested to just sell the whole bike since he can
buy entire bikes for almost as much as he can get the frames alone.

So the specs:
Diamond Back APEX mtb, 2 years old, 22 in frame, white/fade gray paint
DX hubs/cranks front derailler, STI shifers, short brakes
XT rear derailler(new), Sakae Ninja Stainless 24 t, Onza Buzzsaw Stainless 36t
(stainless new), original HG 46 big ring.
New SMOKE 2.1's, new cassette new freewheel body...

I'm getting the feeling I should have sold it last spring, with all the
new parts I've had to purchase due to wear/failure. Anyway, I'd still
appreciate an assessment if not for sale, then for insurance.

Thank You,
Todd S.
pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

P.S. bar ends, gel saddle, set of Acerbis fenders...
	Rides like new.
From: elr@trintex.uucp (Unix Guru-in-Training)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Black Tag Water Bottles (was: Cleaning Water Bottles)
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:30:53 GMT
Organization: Likes Plastic Taste

In article <9207272323.AA08064@micro> chuang@micro (Michael Chuang) writes:
>By the way, I see that the Supersale flyer is advertising those LeMond
>bottles again.  If anyone buys some, check if they're still from that
>aborted Pizza Hut advertising campaign.  The bottles I bought have black
>tape pasted over purple lettering saying "Copyright Pizza Hut 1990"
>(or whatever the year was, I forget).

Specialized dumped 10,000 or so Greg LeMond water bottles as freebies
for BIKE NY (Five Borough Bike Tour).  And they all had the little
black pieces of tape covering up the copyright.  However, the bottles
said "Taco Bell" rather than Pizza Hut.

-- 
Ed Ravin- elr@trintex.uucp| I like to think (and the sooner the better!)
  elr%trintex@uunet.uu.net| Of a cybernetic meadow where mammals and computers
           +1-914-993-4737| Live together in mutually programming harmony
my opinions, nobody else's| Like pure water touching clear sky.  -R. Brautigan
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Subject: Re: what floorpump to buy?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:06:48 GMT

In article <1682B701A.MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu> MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman) writes:
>Despite the complaints of some about it being old fashioned (read: leather
>washer), I think my Silca is great. The only maintainance it ever needs
>is a couple of drops of oil in the cylinder every year, and every single
>part is avauilable for replacement- although the only thing that seems to
>wear out is the rubber insert in the valve chuck, and then only after about
>5 years minimum.

Hmmm...  the gasket in my valve chuck wore out after six months.  The
gasket in the main barrel wore out in 1 year.  I replaced it, but the
replacement doesn't work at all.  Add to that a guage that is off by
15-20 PSI, and you can see that I'm not too impressed.

>It's the easiest to use, too. Just push it on. No levers, no adapters, no
>fussy bits to get lost. Sure, it only fits Presta valves, but there's really
>no reason to use Schraders on anything other than a child's bike.

New Silca's do have a reversable chuck that will accept Schraeder valves.

John_Ampe@att.com
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:18280 sci.med:14369
From: cfaks@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Alice Sanders)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,sci.med
Subject: Re: Hand numbness after extended cycling
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:19:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Jul23.221916.17675
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Jul23.144219.8044@eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
>How about hand numbness after using a chain saw? Chain saws designed to
>be used 8-hours per workday are heavily insulated at the handle to
>reduce vibration, which causes hand numbness.
>
>My point is that hand numbness from riding a bike may be related to
>hand numbness from using a chain saw. Both activities involve
>vibration. In sci.med there are participants using vibrators to
>reduce pain, so the the vibration phenomena may be exploited for 
>useful purposes, too.

I have had a problem with my arm and shoulder, and sometimes my arm and
wrist felt tingly, numbish.  Then I suddenly developed a lot of shoulder
pain when I was recovering pretty well and had tried to mow the lawn with
a push-type power mower.  I think this is what caused my increased
problems.  The pain was so bad that I finally could not let the PT touch
my arm or shoulder.  So he gave me a TENS to use.  My point here is that
the hard vibration from the mower was suspected of causing my increased
problems because I wasn't strong enough yet.  But the vibration of the
TENS is used to relieve the pain.

My amateur theory is that the hard, rough vibration of the mower combined
with the pressure on my joints from pushing it led to injury.  The
vibration of the tens is gentle, regular, and of a specified frequency and
, of course, puts no pressure on my joints and requires no physical
exertion.  So they are very different phenomena and have opposite effects.

Am I close? Does anybody have an expert opinion?

Alice
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich)
Subject: Re: MTB Touring (was: Touring bicycles -- an extict breed?)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 23:11:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: na

I sort of think that the arguments about mountain vs. road bikes
for touring are missing some of the point.

The mountainbike frames are much stiffer than road frames. This is
something that is _very_ desireable in loaded touring and is something
that is missing in _most_ production road touring bikes.

On the other hand, when you are unloaded this frame stiffness is quite
uncomfortable as the shocks run right up your hands and wrists and
can cause many aches and pains.

The REAL (tm) touring group seems to settle on something like the
Rock and Road which is stiff enough for loaded touring and has larger
tires so that you can use them for shock absorbtion when light.

Just like everything in life, touring bikes are a compromise. There 
is a perfect compromise, but it is pretty individualistic.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ont.general,can.general
From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Ontario government releases revised bicycle policy
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:49:55 GMT

Thomas H. Kunich writes:
.  .  .
>Later on a motorcycle lobbyist group showed numbers that revealed that
>ridership was down 40%-60% and that fatalities were actually up from
>last year. So the California experience has been that the motorcycle
>industry has been greatly injured and the public safety has actually
>lost ground.

Right, this proves that wearing a motorcycle helmet increases your
chance of dying in an accident.  Never mind that this is undiluted
bullshit.
--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022