HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: buick@belay (Patrick D. Buick)
Subject: Re: Wilderness EMT
Organization: Belay Enterprises Inc. Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:55:49 GMT

In article <1685F14C0D.REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
>A friend of mine just came back from a semester off and told me that she had
>taken a wilderness EMT course.  She's curious if wilderness EMT's would have
>a harder time getting jobs than normally trained ones.  Anyone have any ideas?
> 
> 
>Rebecca A. Drayer, EMT        |    Rebecca@Yalevm.Ycc.Yale.edu

Most places that I am familiar with have a testing body.  Most firms
require you to have passed the exams of this body.  As long as your
friend can pass these exams, they should be fine.  This *may* involve
becoming familiar with ambulance procedures prior to sitting the exams.

Shouldn't be too hard for a Yalie... :-)
(not meant as derogatory to Yale, but that a University student shouldn't
 have too much of a problem picking these things up after a course.)

Patrick
-- 
===========================| Land Line +1 403 286 9188
Patrick D. Buick EMT, EET  | Internet: buick%belay@uunet.uu.net
Belay Enterprises Inc.     | Internet: buickp@cuug.ab.ca
Calgary, Alberta, Canada   | UUCP:...keyword!calgary!pixel!belay!buick
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
From: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: COPD patients and oxygen
Reply-To: jrcodl@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:41:18 GMT

In article <EMERG-L%92091011110971@VM.MARIST.EDU>, PJ Geraghty <JX655C@GWUVM.BITNET> writes:
>On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:43:48 -0400 TRAUMA JUNKIE said:
>>        Just to stress that the ER staff is not always aware of EMS protocol..
>>I just met a RN who failed the NY basic EMT test..hmmmm
>
>Why is this not a surprise?

Did you check this perdon for pulse & respirations
John

*******************************************************************
John Coburn                The opinions expressed are not necessary
JRCODL@RITVAX.RIT.EDU
JRCODL@RITVAX.BITNET
JRCODL@BIGVAX.ALFRED.EDU
JRCODL@CERAMICS.BITNET
*******************************************************************
From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Wilderness EMT
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:36:45 GMT
Organization: Yale University

A friend of mine just came back from a semester off and told me that she had
taken a wilderness EMT course.  She's curious if wilderness EMT's would have
a harder time getting jobs than normally trained ones.  Anyone have any ideas?
 
 
*************************************************************************
Rebecca A. Drayer, EMT        |    Rebecca@Yalevm.Ycc.Yale.edu
P.O. Box 6349 Yale Station    |    Computing Assistant
New Haven, CT 06520           |    Silliman College, Yale University
 
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite
you.  This is the principle difference between a dog and a man."
                                                        -Mark Twain
*************************************************************************
From: drmsr@cislabs.pitt.edu (Marc S Rosenthal)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Wilderness EMT
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:15:30 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


	The Center for Emergency Medicine of the University of Pittsburgh and
the Applacian Search and Rescue Conference (ASRC) offer a Wilderness EMT/EMT-P
course twice a year in the Pittsburgh area.  The course is over two weekends.  
A 2 day and a 3 day weekend 2 weeks apart.
	Requirements for this program are an EMT or EMT-P certification and      
search and rescue experience (SAR).  The cost of the program is approximately
$230 including book, lodging, food, and the course, (everything except for
transportation).  Locally the course is taught by members of the Allegheny      Mountain Rescue Group (AMRG) which is a local group of the ASRC.  The course is 
taught by wilderness trained MDs, EMT-Ps, and EMTs.  The course is intensive.
IMHO it is an excellent course.  The curriculum is similar to the SOLO programs but is aimed at those who will be treating seriously ill/injured victims in the field.
	For more information you can e-mail me or call the Center for Emergency
Medicine.  The next course is November 7,8,20,21,22.  The phone number for
literature, etc. at the center is 412-578-3170.

Marc S. Rosenthal, Ph.D.
EMT-P/WEMT-P
WB2FGV
Director, Wilkins-Churchill Rescue One
Secretary, Allegheny Mountain Rescue Group
From: kb2ear@kb2ear.ampr.org (Scott R. Weis KB2EAR)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Wilderness EMT
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:49:10 GMT
Organization: KB2EAR Public Access UN*X, Kendall Park, NJ


Where can someone in the NJ area get trained in this.  I go on quite a
few campouts etc in the back country with no way of getting help fast so
having this training would be very useful. 

Tnx,
-- 
Scott R. Weis KB2EAR, EMT-A
Internet:	kb2ear@kb2ear.ampr.org
Packet:		KB2EAR @ KB2EAR.NJ.USA
Snail Mail:	10 Palmer Rd., Kendall Park NJ, 08824-1228
Phone:		+1 908 297 0469
From: bstring@MAINZ-EMH2.ARMY.MIL (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Job Info
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:33:36 GMT
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU

Where is the best place to seek information about becoming a fireman
or emergeencyncy service person.  Query came in from subscriber on my
job list -- employ?  Thanks....
--bob

***********************************************************************
Robert (Bob) L. Stringfield      Mainz Army Depot
UNIT 24218  P.O. Box 52:  APO AE 09185
COML (No ETS or Autovon available): 06131-696328 (Germany)
FAX: 06131-696467  IRC Nick - DeathStar (:ds)
bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil or bstring%mainz-emh2.army.mil@vm1.nodak.edu
                   Truth:  IGNORANCE hates knowledge....
*************************************************************************
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Envelope-to: emerg-l@marist.bitnet
X-VMS-To: IN%"emerg-l@marist.bitnet"
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 14:07:30 -0400
From:         TRAUMA JUNKIE <JAT8419@RITVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Hypoxic drive

ok,
        I read in one of the replies that if I happen to set of hypoxic drive
in a COPD Pt. I can bag them with no O2 flow.  Will this help them regain
consciousness or should I go with ~100% O2 Bagging?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
John A. Ternay
Emergency Medical Services Certified First Responder
Pre-Medical Studies                             R.I.T. Ambulance
MD2B                                    Cornwall Volunteer Ambulance Corps.
                        "Trauma Junkie"
            "We make house-calls....all night long"
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: rousseau@osf.org (John Rousseau)
Subject: Air Scent Search Dogs
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:38:36 GMT

  Ok. I guess I've been lukring long enough...

  I work for a volunteer Search and Rescue team. We use pure West German
German Shepards to air scent in wilderness and disaster situations. I
would like to swap stories and ideas with any other people that use air
scenting dogs.
  Please mail to me directly, and I will start a thread if the interest
exists.

-John

-- 

John Rousseau              rousseau@osf.org  
Systems Administrator      uunet!osf.org!rousseau
Open Software Foundation   (617) 621-8719
MA-EMT / NASAR Cert. WEMT / Medic in training
Mass Bay Rescue Dogs
-----------------------------------------------------------
From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Re: Wilderness EMT
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:31:49 GMT
Organization: Yale University

In article <1992Sep14.133235.10352@osf.org>
rousseau@osf.org (John Rousseau) writes:
 
>  If your friend took option 2 (the WEMT course only), she may have a very
>difficult time getting a job depending on where she wants to work. In MA,
>we have NO areas designated as "wilderness", and therefore MA OEMS does not
>recognize any Wilderness training or Wilderness protocols even though we have
>many areas of the state that are far and above the 2 hour line to definitve
>care.
 
She wants to work in New Haven, CT.
 
>  If she wants to work in Northern NH, ME etc. she may do much better.
>  For my own info, who was she taught by? Solo? Wilderness Medical Assoc.?
>Somebode else?
 
I think it might have been the Wilderness Medical Association, but I'm not
positive.  I'll get back to you on that one.
 
 
*************************************************************************
Rebecca A. Drayer, EMT        |    Rebecca@Yalevm.Ycc.Yale.edu
P.O. Box 6349 Yale Station    |    Computing Assistant
New Haven, CT 06520           |    Silliman College, Yale University
 
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite
you.  This is the principal difference between a dog and a man."
                                                        -Mark Twain
*************************************************************************
 
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Organization: Pro-Berks Inc.-Reading,
              Pa..The EMS Specialists..BBS..(215)929-4315
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1992 15:05:04 EST
Comments:     <Parser> W: MESSAGE-ID field duplicated. Last occurence was
              retained.
From:         "(Kenneth P. Lager Jr.)" <kenlager@PRO-BERKS.CTS.COM>
Subject:      Wilderness EMT

If I am not mistaken, you have to be an EMT BEFORE a wilderness EMT.  At
least in Pennsylvania, a wilderness EMT is taught methods for prolonged
time away from a medical facility, i.e, a wilderness.

                                                Ken Lager
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Organization: Pro-Berks Inc.-Reading,
              Pa..The EMS Specialists..BBS..(215)929-4315
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:49:01 EST
Comments:     <Parser> W: MESSAGE-ID field duplicated. Last occurence was
              retained.
From:         "(Kenneth P. Lager Jr.)" <kenlager@PRO-BERKS.CTS.COM>
Subject:      Duh...I forgot

Hi, Yall!  Just got back from a cavers convention (OTR) in West Virginia.
Three days of caving, one rescue (of the person who taught me how to cave)
and an incident where a female intoxicated herself then tried slam-dancing
to the point where she forgot to breathe until the med staff arrived and
had to forcefully remind her.(fun-fun)
        Anyway, if the is anyone out there who was there or is a caver or
is a member of the National Cave Rescue Commission (of which I am a staff
member), please E-Mail me at kenlager here.

                                        Thanks,

                                        Ken Lager
                                Firefighter, Rescue, SAR, NCRC
From: James.Richardson@p0.f66.n104.z1.fidonet.org (James Richardson)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Pager net
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:14:54 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/66.0 - The WatchDesk, Thornton CO

Attention all: We're beginning a statewide emergency notification net, 
utilizing alpha-numeric pagers to broadcast all major multi-alarm fire etc. 
This is similiar to the already active net in Boston, Connecticut (Hartford 
Citywide), New York, New England Fire & News Network  to name just a few.
If your in the Colorado area and would like more information on the 'Front 
Range Emergency Notification Net' (FRENN) please contact me.
Also if you are involved in another notification group of this sort please 
contact me, I would love to talk with you; get your ideas, suggestions etc for 
a new system.
Thanks.. James L. Richardson, 
         F.R.E.N.N
         11391 Main Range Trail
         Littleton, Colorado  80127-4049
         1-303-933-2195 Voice & Fax

 

--  
Internet: James.Richardson@p0.f66.n104.z1.fidonet.org
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Thanks
Date: 8 Sep 92 01:34:35 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I'm normally a lurker-- but...

Last Tuesday my mother experienced a pulmonary hemorrhage (cause still
unknown), and the Des Moines FD paramedics rescuscitated her and got her
to the hospital, where she is now doing fine.  Now I know my mom can
be charitably described as a "difficult patient", and I expect you 
deal with some from time to time and feel you've gotten more shin-kicks
than thanks from them.

Well, on behalf of all the families of all the "difficult pts", thanks,
folks.  You do good work.  

Gratefully,

  Kay Klier   Biology Dept  UNI
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Acknowledge-To: <JX655C@GWUVM>
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:54:28 EDT
From:         PJ Geraghty <JX655C@GWUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: COPD patients and oxygen

On Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:43:48 -0400 TRAUMA JUNKIE said:
>        Just to stress that the ER staff is not always aware of EMS protocol..
>I just met a RN who failed the NY basic EMT test..hmmmm

Why is this not a surprise?

_________________________________________________________________________
|PJ Geraghty, FF2/NR/MDEMT-P          | (insert opinion disclaimer here)|
|5020 Battery Lane                    |**********CUBS in '92!!**********|
|Bethesda, MD 20814        (SnailMail)|                                 |
|301-652-0077/301-409-0648 (Telephone)|                    Tube 'em all;|
|JX655C@GWUVM                 (BitNet)|            let God sort 'em out!|
|JX655C@GWUVM.GWU.EDU       (InterNet)|        Guinness is GOOD For You!|
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: jung@base.bellcore.com (Eric Jung)
Subject: Re: MD & Rn want to run it all.....
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 17:20:27 GMT

In article <01GOCGNOKNQQ9KMG3B@ritvax.isc.rit.edu>, JAT8419@RITVAX.BITNET (TRAUMA JUNKIE) writes:
|> I was at the ER after delivering a COPD pt. with head trauma to the ER...
|> they blasted me for giving the pt 15LPM of O2.  they said no matter what
|> always give the COPD pt 2 lpm via nasal cannula.  They said even with
|> child birth, avulsions...etc.. the only time they said full flow was during
|> a full arrest.

Well, this certainly contradicts what I've been taught in NJ EMT course
and by senior members of my squad.  As far as I recall, if there's a 
significant risk of shock or breathing difficulties, we should give
high flow O2.  (Someone else mentioned SOB; I don't know how to interpret
that in a medical sense.) The rationale is that it's easier to handle
respiratory arrest than a full code.  On the conscious COPD pt, you can
also repetitively ask them to take deep breaths.

How do others feel about this issue?


Eric -- EMT-A    Franlin-Somerset FAS
-- 
Eric C. Jung                    Bellcore
(908) 699-4684                  6 Corporate Place PYA-1D-142
jung@base.bellcore.com          Piscataway, NJ  08854
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: af905@yfn.ysu.edu (Ed Shanks)
Subject: NFPA minimum staffing on scene
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:14:42 GMT


As I understand it, NFPA 1500 wants to propose that a minimum of
four firefighters be on the scene before anyone makes entry. I
don't think they're trying to suggest minimum manning of stations
or apparatus, just that there are a safe number of people on the
scene. I know it might cause delays in rescue, but *your* safety
comes first! Before I get flamed, let me remind you that if you
get hurt or killed you won't be around for the next fire to make
rescues and "slay the dragon."

Anyway, I'm curious  what others think about the minimum 
staffing proposal. It's been a lively subject in the union
publications, and I've read that the IAFC, among others, has
misunderstood (apparently) the intent of the document, instead
reacting to a safety question with a budget answer. They might
have said that while they agree safety is a concern, and yes,
there ought to be a minimum number on the scene before making
entry, logistics - money - won't permit it at this time. But
my understanding is that the chiefs' org. blew up with accusat-
ions of trying to usurp their authority, trying to run the
government, etc. They tried to interpret it as requiring four
men on each truck responding to a fire. They even went so far 
as to say that they would not vote for it because they were
not - for safety reasons - about to reduce their five-man 
ladder company to four men! [I guess you have to be a chief
to understand that last one! :-)]

I may be prejudiced in favor of the minimum on-scene staffing
proposal, being IAFF Local 1176 's secretary, but I'd still 
appreciate comments pro and con. You can't understand both
sides until you've heard them!

Thanx!

-- 
When all is said and done, I'd                          Ed
rather be remembered for what
I've done than what I've said. - - - {Said by Ed!}
From: Joe.Vaccaro@f507.n2601.z1.fidonet.org (Joe Vaccaro)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Private Hydrants
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:07:57 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:2601/507 - Mabel's Mansion, Sharon PA

Please provide information related to establishing a municipal ordanance 
requiring the installation of fire hydrants on private developments. Thank 
you.



 
 

--  
Internet: Joe.Vaccaro@f507.n2601.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
From: joelp@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (joel.peshkin)
Subject: Re:      MD & Rn want to run it all.....
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:47:26 GMT


Before jumping to the conclusion that anyone who doesn't want COPD put
on hi-flow O2 is an idiot, consider the following.....

Many nurses operate on standing instructions that assume that the patient
will be left in bed without a monitor or one-on-one supervision. In that
instance, high flow O2 could be very dangerous and a medical consult
needed to override the standing order should be easily obtainable.

Just bear in mind that they practice under differrent protocols. POLITELY
advise them of this, and don't get bent out of shape.

Joel Peshkin, EMT-P
(YES, I use high-flow when indicated)
From: Greg.Culbreath@f19.n307.z1.fidonet.org (Greg Culbreath)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: NFIRS Software
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:09:37 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:307/19 - Orphan BBS, La Veta Co


        Our Fire District will soon begin using the NFIRS Fire reporting to 
send our fire reports to the State Fire Marshall, but we haven't chosen the 
software we'll use.  The Colorado Division of Fire Saftey has given us a list 
of software which produces files compatible with theirs, and it is a rather 
long list!!  What software do YOU use?  We'll appreciate any comments as to 
its useability also!  Thanks for your help!!

Greg Culbreath
1:307/19 (The ORPHAN BBS)
La Veta Fire Protection District
La Veta, Colorado


 

--  
Internet: Greg.Culbreath@f19.n307.z1.fidonet.org
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
X-Envelope-to: EMERG-L@MARIST.BITNET
X-VMS-To: IN%"EMERG-L@MARIST.BITNET"
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 09:43:48 -0400
From:         TRAUMA JUNKIE <JAT8419@RITVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: COPD patients and oxygen

        Just to stress that the ER staff is not always aware of EMS protocol..
I just met a RN who failed the NY basic EMT test..hmmmm
From: Glen.Strecker@f2.n390.z1.fidonet.org (Glen Strecker)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: Smoke Detector Recall
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:16:19 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:390/2 - The Fire Scene, Slidell LA

FAULTY DETECTORS MAY NOT WORK IN FIRE

  BRK Electronics is recalling 3.5 million of its electric smoke
detectors because the alarms may fail to sound during a fire, due to
corrosion on the electrical contacts. The smoke detectors were
marketed under the brand names BRK, First Alert and Family Gard.

  The company says that between November 1987 and March 1990 they were 
wired into the electrical circuits of homes, apartments and hotels, and 
consumers should not remove or replace them before speaking with
a BRK representative.

  The company will replace the recalled units with new smoke detectors.

  The company's battery-operated detectors are not involved in this recall.

  For more information, call BRK toll-free at 1-800-228-2250.

(From "The People Helper" column of the New Orleans Times Picayune, 09/11/92)


 

--  
Internet: Glen.Strecker@f2.n390.z1.fidonet.org
From: Kurt.Ullman@p0.f290.n231.z1.fidonet.org (Kurt Ullman)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: *Short* Paramedic Survey
Date: 13 Sep 92 14:13:41 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:231/290.0 - The RoadHouse BBS (, Indianapolis IN

PG>From: JX655C@GWUVM.BITNET (PJ Geraghty)
PG>I am not convinced that anti-psychotic drugs would be a good idea for
PG>pre-hospital use.  Having seen quite a few "Thorazine zombies" over the 
year
PG>I think the dosage for that particular drug is something that should be
PG>closely monitored, which is not something we usually have time for when
PG>dealing with a crazed patient.

        Thorazine "zombies", are due to LONG-TERM medicating and would
not get tthem from short term use in Prehospital. The emergent problems
MIGHT be a transient drop in BP, but this is usually postural
hypotension.  I suggested Thorazine specifically because of sedating
characteristics and it much more EMT friendly side effect profile (less
EPS, stiffness, etc. as opposed to Haldol, Navane or some of the other
meds.)
        Wrestling with a crazed patient is one of the main reasons for
using an antipsychotic in the field. Even if the psychosis is drug
induced, it would do no harm and the sedating effects might be helpful.

 

--  
Internet: Kurt.Ullman@p0.f290.n231.z1.fidonet.org
From: mikeq@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Subject: WEMT out west?
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:25:49 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

Where out west (preferably northwest) can you get wilderness EMT training?

Thanks,

Mike
Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: (no subject given)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services
Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:34:29 EDT
Comments:     Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X
From:         MEG04@ALBNYDH2.BITNET

Trauma Junkie asks:  should I bag a COPD patient with room air, or
100% O2.

A non-breathing patient needs to be bagged with 100% O2.  Think it through
here:  the excuse for not giving COPD patients the oxygen they need is that
some of them might end up in respiratory arrest since their hypoxic
drive might be shut down.  Their hypoxic drive is what makes them breath
on their own.  Since a patient being bagged is already not breahting on his
own, there is no reason to worry about shutting down hypoxic drive.
So, give those brain cells as much oxygen as possible!  100% O2.

~                              Mike Gilbertson
~                              (meg04@albnydh2.bitnet)
Newsgroups: misc.emerg-services