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From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re:  Science and god:  Are they incompatible?  If so, why?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 20:34:40 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
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In article <1992Nov17.044659.16994@muddcs.claremont.edu>, dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green) writes:
>->Yet his article showed pretty strong signs that he wasn't even aware (as he
>->was writing the piece) that there are other branches of Christianity.
>
>Those being?  (If StM can demand examples, I think it's only fair that I be
>able to as well.)

To name a few:
	Roman Catholicism
	Greek Orthodox
	Russian Orthodox
	Jehovah's Witnesses
	Mormons

>->="The part in NS's original essay about the woman being raped was overly
>->=strong imagery for what was otherwise intended as a scholarly toned
>->=article.
>->
>->It was also either a non sequitur or a claim that religion somehow did some
>->good for rape victims, either potential or actual.  As usual, NS offered
>->absolutely no evidence in support of this rather strong claim.
>
>Methinks he felt that it was obvious (and it probably was, from his stand-
>point) that one could receive comfort from religion in this situation.  IMHO,
>you're not reading far enough between the lines.

One can also receive comfort from friends and family, and from the realization
that one can't be responsible for unforseeable events.  So what extra does
religion provide?  And could it provide that extra without imposing other costs
in the first place?


>Ironic note: In thumbing through my dictionary, I came across the entry
>	"S.T.M."  It means Master of Sacred Theology. :)

Well, I'm not about to change my name!
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From: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mary Branscombe)
Subject: Re: No subject
Reply-To: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:00:00 +0000


stawberries? mmmmm
mary -- who hasn't *really* been away from the Place this week and 
has found that hanging around has made it a very fun holiday -- is 
heading for gypsy woman's teapot at a speed of knots......
thanks Rowan
+-------------------------------------------+--------------------------+
| Ommmmmm, said the lift                    |maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk |
| Organisation: Me? You're joking, right?   |maryb@cix.compulink.uucp  |
|I know I type "teh" for "the" My fingers have their own accent ;-)    |
+-------------------------------------------+--------------------------+

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Another introduction...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:41:21 GMT


>>Abner says, "Well, you see, 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress' was the first
>>science fiction book I ever read.  It's what got me hooked ...  So I noticed
>>your name right off the bat!"

speaker says:

>Hmmm.  The first SF book I ever read was called _Danny_Dunn_and_the_Antigravity_
>_Paint_.  Don't remember whether I was in first grade or second when I read it.
>First, I think.

kitten pipes up:

"my first was _podkayne of mars_....another heinlein."

--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"love is the wild card of existance"
                          rita mae brown

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From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:29:09 GMT

Liralen writes:
>She giggles softly, "Heck, I guess I'm a lot like that, too, when
>someone's disagreeing with me and assuming I'm stupid.  Does that make me
>a Kzin?"  She giggles again and then mumbles something like, "yow...
>wouldn't that... neat?" between yawns.  Liralen yawns a yawn big enough to
>illicit a soft 'pop' at the joint of her jaw and snuggles back into her
>chair, under the light coverlet and goes back to sleep by the warmth of the
>fire...

   "Gee Liralen, maybe Bosskins is a Kzin also ! He goes through discussions
  like that too. Got him fired once a long time ago. Someone treated him as
  if he had not a brain cell in his head and he objected to being talked
  down to, but it was just a fast food joint, no big deal... " Linda.

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
                     "Kill the Wabbit ! " Elmer Fudd.
From: olson@husc8.harvard.edu (Chip Olson@somewhere.out.there)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Rejoice, and Velvet reels
Date: 23 Nov 92 03:34:36 GMT
Organization: Spam-On-A-Rope Inc.
In-reply-to: braley@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca's message of 22 Nov 92 13:06:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.130657.1091@cs.mcgill.ca> braley@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (The Didi-Sprite) writes:


>In article <1992Nov18.171704.14309@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> mfbertke@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Mary Bertke....Gwen MacThaidhg) writes:
>>     Who else out there likes Celtic music?
>
>The Didi-Sprite peeks around the kitchen door and calls out:
>"Hi, Velvet!  Welcome back!  I'm rustling up some healthful waffles for
>breakfast ... I'll pour out some more for you, if you like?  Lord
>Galdrin and I *adore* Celtic music!  Ummm ... I am curious ... what is
>a bohdran? (? sp.)"

"Hi Didi! Any chance of my getting the odd waffle or two as well?  I've got
some Vermont maple syrup to contribute, which isn't so healthful but should
never be counted in calorie calculations anyway. 

"A bodhran, anyway, is a hand-held drum about the same proportions as a 
tambourine, only somewhat larger.  You hold it by the two crossed struts
in back, and hit it with a short two-ended beater.  A really nifty bass
sound, and you can do some really nifty rhythms with it.  Most Irish/Celtic
bands use one at least occasionally."

--
-Chip Olson. | olson@husc.harvard.edu | ceo@{gnu.ai,silver.lcs}.mit.edu 
"These are the days you might fill with laughter until you break. These days
you might feel a shaft of light make its way across your face... And when you 
do you'll know how it was meant to be..." -10,000 Maniacs, "These Are Days"
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re:  Science and god:  Are they incompatible?  If so, why?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 15:24:33 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
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In article <1992Nov18.043643.16303@muddcs.claremont.edu>, dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green) writes:
=->Then again, why does believing in a deity or being a Christian, make you more
=->moral than anyone else?  Especially when empirical evidence doesn't show a
=->clear cut difference.

=Because I happened to draw my moral code from the teachings of the Bible.  If
=I didn't have the Bible, things might be different.

That means that if someone behaves exactly like a Christian (except he doesn't
go to church), then he's STILL less moral than the Christian?  Who was it who
said something like "By their fruits shall ye know them"?

=->If you consider agnosticism or weak atheism ("I don't believe in a god because
=->I've never seen any evidence of one, but I recognize that's not a proof of
=->non-existence; still, what choice do I have for where does believing in things
=->that I have no evidence for stop?") a religion, then everything is a religion
=->and religion becomes a less useful word because it can no longer be used to
=->categorize in that manner.
=
=I don't follow this point at all.  I consider atheism and agnosticism to be
=religions in that they are a series of beliefs about God.

"I don't know" is now a belief?
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From: dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green)
Subject: Re: Another introduction...
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:03:54 GMT

In article <ARM200-921120181359-5BD799D2*@MHS> /G=Rhodri/S=James/O=SJ-Research/ADMD=INTERSPAN/C=GB/@mhs-relay.ac.uk writes:
->mjmh@crsa.bu.edu (Michael J M Holmes) writes:
->
->>"The first science fiction book I remember picking up was a trilogy
->>by John Christopher - I think the first book was 'THe City of Gold
->>and Lead' or something like that.  This was sometime in early grade
->>school.  I was fascinated by it, though, and picked up everything of
->>his the library had - then moved on to Bradbury, then Asimov... 
->>by then I was hooked!"
->
->"The White Mountain", "City of Gold and Lead", and -- darn, what is the
->third one called.

The Pool of Fire.  I liked them, too. :) 
-- 
dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu		        	   David "Mishael" Green
		    Have you scritched your local Furry today? 
************************Who ordered the muon? -- I. I. Rabi*********************
  I have not been appointed Judge, Jury, or Executioner by God.  Just witness.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: Cyber (was Introduction was Eh?)
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:02:30 GMT

>traight on to Anne McCaffrey and H Beam 
>Piper after that. Any H Beam Piper fans here? But those 
>tesseracts....
>Mary returns to scratching her head

   "Yes, Bosskins is an H. Beam Piper fan. He has all but one of Piper's
 books. All of the Little Fuzzy stories. Yes, he likes them very much," Linda.

   Dreamy Jim can been seen over in one corner reading 'Little Fuzzy.'

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
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From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: Eh?
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:27:52 GMT

walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
>Meanwhile, several of the patrons of this fine establishment have
>noticed the stranger at the bar, but none have commented and all go back
>to their discussions at hand without a second thought.
>Doug                   

   Well not necessarily 'without a second thought.' I have many thoughts,
some of them are second in-line and others are third in-line... :-)

  "Welcome to The Place Doug !" DJ.

  "Lots of Dougs now ! Well, at least two... " Robbie.

  "Gee, I really would like to dance with someone ! "Linda.

  "Theres some chocolate cake around here on a food trolly, want some ?" Robbie.

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
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From: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov (Cybernetic Samurai)
Subject: Cyber (was Introduction was Eh?)
Reply-To: walker@superboy.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:42:20 GMT


In response to several queries about the object
protruding from behind his head the Cybernetic
Samurai removes his coat.  He spies a clear path
towords the door and performs two back handsprings,
then a backflip, while simultaneously drawing his
samurai sword (katana?).  It has an intricately carved ivory
handle.  First looking to see that no one is in the
way, he begins twirling the sword first in his left
hand then his right, faster and faster, until the
sword becomes nothing but a blur, occasionally
reflecting light from the bar.

(: Kids don't try this at home. :)

Just as the velocity gets so fast that the sword
begins to wistle continuously as it cuts through the air, the
Samurai re-sheathes the sword, does two more back
handsprings towords the bar, and a back flip to land 
neatly back on his barstool.

(: Ok, Ok, its just like a bad ninja movie :)

The Samurai places another dollar on the bar and
says "Beer, please, Mike."

He then turns to face the room.

"Well, that answers that question.   Now, as far as
what to call me, mostly my friends call me Cyber,
and y'all can to since y'all are such a friendly
bunch."

"Having listened smatterings of the current
conversations which are taking place in here,"
Cyber says, "just thought I might as well add my
two yens worth."

"I don't even remember the name of the first Sci
Fi book I read.  It was written by M. L'Engle and
was about some kids who meet with a Mrs. Which
and tesseract and such.  It is a classic I just
cant remember the name of it.  It was also a
trilogy.  The first Sci Fi I really remember is
reading the Tom Swift, Jr. stories out of the
elementary school library."

By now Mike has brought the beer, so when Cyber
turns back around he grabs the beer, lifts it to
his mouth, and drains it.

<crash>


-- 
Doug                   

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can 
do for your country.  - JFK
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce)
Subject: Re: Science and god:  Are they incompatible?  If so, why?
Organization: University of Southern Mississippi
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:43:54 GMT

    "Thanks Speaker for the excellent informational posting, " Linda.

    "Linda, I think I found Boss ! " Robbie.

-- 
 Jim Pierce Bach. of Sci. in Applied Computer Science USM - Gulf Park Campus 
             jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu  Disclaimer: Standard.
                     "Kill the Wabbit ! " Elmer Fudd. 
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From: JBrandt@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Jay Brandt (Jason))
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Jirel of Joiry
Followup-To: alt.callahans
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:44:02 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon, Architecture
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aaa.uoregon.edu

In article <1992Nov22.221340.8848@data-io.com>, li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis
Rostykus) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Nov21.102029.27336@ra.msstate.edu> jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce) writes:
> >   "Alright ! A Tom Swift Junior reader ! The story that had a *very*
> >profound{!} affect on me was a story about someone I sort of believe
> >exists somewhen, her name is Jirel of Joiry. Of course, Tom Swift, jr.
> >and his Betatron, Spaceship, etc. stories were interesting, but I
> >rather liked Jirel. I wonder what ever happened to her, " DJ.
> 
> Jirel of Joiry was by C.L Moore.  There is a collection of her stories
> still in print, I think, in paperback.  C.L. Moore was one of the few
> female authors of early SF.  
> 

Jason pipes up. "Not only that, but I recall that Jirel was the -first-
barbarian, sword-swinging adventurer. She predated Conan the Barbarian.
Pegasus and I have C.L. Moore's 'Jirel of Joiry' anthology, and I think a
second book as well. Unfortunately, it's in storage with most of our
library. Ratz!"
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From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: I made it!
Keywords: Heather Pierce
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:53:14 GMT

pierceha@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Heather Pierce) writes:


> I finally found Callahans!  It feels wonderful to be here.  I some incredible
> hunk rubbing my back <how like Callahans, eh?
>                                         Heather

Heh-heh!  Welcome to the Place ... I see Jason's already working on your
back (Oh! To have a more reliable link to the Cosmos!).  How about a drink
to sip on while your spine unwinds.  Welcome to Club-Med Callahans  :-)

Splash!

--
***************************** Michael van Keulen *************************** 
* Snail: School of BES - Biology         e-mail: keulen@murdoch.edu.au     *
*        Murdoch University              phone:  ++ 61 (09) 360-2843 (work)*
*        Murdoch WA 6150  AUSTRALIA              ++ 61 (09) 417-3902 (home)*
*************************** "To Love is to _LIVE_!" ************************
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: What a literate group! WAS: Re: Another introduction...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:30:17 GMT



>/* is seated somewhat near the bar; he has a cocktail napkin
>and a pen, and has been madly scribbling down names of authors 
>and books mentioned in the 'First SF' and 'Eastern Relgions'
>conversations.

>"Whew!  Now there is a bunch of books that I want to either
>read or re-read!  Some of them I haven't thought of in *ages*!"

[   ]

>"Actually, these conversations, an email from Alfvaen,
>and some recent events, have gotten me thinking.  A dear 
>friend of mine just had a baby girl, her first - and actually
>she is the first close friend to have a child, so I and a whole
>group of friends are doing a lot of thinking and readjusting!"

>"She is a single mom, and we've been visiting, socializing, trying
>to make sure she doesn't feel cut off - and that she has help
>(or at least babysitters!) when she needs it."

>"So, although baby Elizabeth Rose will not be reading for a while,
>I was wondering what childhood books people would recommend that
>she eventually have in her library!  Not just sf, but any type of
>genre that people remember fondly!"

>/* pauses to massage the writer's cramp in his hand.

"why thank you, /*...one book i love is _the velveteen rabbit," kitten
smiles... "and i am really delighted that you and your friends are
being supportive of your friend with the new baby..."

--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"love is the wild card of existance"
                          rita mae brown

Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mar@physics.su.OZ.AU (David Mar)
Subject: Re: A toast
Organization: School of Physics, University of Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:29:25 GMT

>StM looks up from the copy of _Newsweek_ he's reading and asks DM, "Had you
>heard about this? [..] Jan Oort, 1900-1992.  He died a couple of weeks ago."

Danger Mouse is reflective. "I didn't even know he was still alive. But 92,
that's a good long innings..."

<crash>

- Danger Mouse.
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From: li@Data-IO.COM (Phyllis Rostykus)
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:00:35 GMT

In article <102503@bu.edu> mjmh@crsa.bu.edu (Michael J M Holmes) writes:
>"Liralen Li, the more I hear from you, the more impressed I am.
>Sure, you may be quiet in some ways, but I think it is your actions
>that speak volumes - and they speak *loudly* and clearly."

Liralen looks a touch surprised at her name, and then listens to /*'s
praise with wide eyes.  And as he keeps on talking, she blushes, brighter
and brighter in pure embarrassment.  

"Oh, dear." she says, a little helplessly, "I am *not* the embodiment of a
loving attitude, I'm just *me*."  She sighs and giggles, "I know, I'm
hopeless as far as praise goes, can't ever accept it gracefully.  But 
those are just my ideals.  I don't always live up to them.  Just like 
anyone, just as David Green said, too." 

"I mean, I *really* admire you for your attitude and your conversations and
your willingness to keep trying with your brother.  It's *cool* that you
kept on with it instead of writing your family off.  That is an action that
speaks louder than any of my speech making."  Liralen grins and then sighs.

Then she thinks a bit and finally just says, "Thank you, though, for the
kind words, they mean a lot to me..." and hugs the purple one until her Big
Dogs t-shirt is lavander.

---
Liralen Li
li@Data-IO.com
From: mjmh@crsa.bu.edu (Michael J M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: dance for /*  was Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:40:28 GMT
Organization: Boston University Center for Remote Sensing

In article <1992Nov19.005631.8211@ra.msstate.edu> jmpierce@whale.st.usm.edu (Jimmy Malcolm Pierce) writes:
>>/* smiles a purple smile, and then hears Linda in the background
>>wanting a dance.  "Hi Linda!  I'm not the greatest dancer in the
>>world, but I'm game if you are!"

>      "/* are you certain you want to dance ???" DJ.

/* ponders a moment, then nods.  "Sure - it's been awhile, but I always
enjoyed going out dancing!  I'm no shrinking violet!"

>      "Do you have dancing shoes and how are you at acceleration ?" Linda.

At this, /* point his right foot forward, showing off his purple-
suede shoes.  "Ta-daaaah!"

"Uhm, acceleration?  It's been a few years since my last physics class
(I remember trying to convince a TA that red shift plus blue shift
equals purple shift) - but isn't acceleration the rate of change of 
velocity with respect to time?"  /* looks hopefully at the crowd;
he's never really liked pop quizzes.

>      "And does your inner ear work okay ? " Robbie.

/* sticks a purple pinky into his left ear, and wiggles it around.
"I guess so.  Wow, Linda's pretty picky about dance partners!
-- 
========================================================================
Mike Holmes       mjmh@crsa.bu.edu           "Happiness Will Prevail!"
Boston University Department of Geography (a truly GREAT place to work!)
========================================================================
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From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: CD's Early Thanksgiving Ramblings
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:50:49 GMT



>Lynn walks out from the shadows.

>"This used to be a time of year I enjoyed, even if it was a bit of a
>cashectomy."

[   ]

>The gold-haired woman picks up a glass.

>"To holidays -- past, present, and future!"  <+*CRASH*+>

kitten hugs lynn...."welcome back."

--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"love is the wild card of existance"
                          rita mae brown
From: ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: The Nightstalker explains--and Caithelin has her say...
Date: 16 Nov 1992 05:01:45 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: seurat.wag.caltech.edu

Caithelin mentions:
>Finally she laughs.  "But then I've always considered Science (specifically
>physics and it's associate math) to be a religion....and perhaps far too
>closely connected to Christianity for my comfort."

*blink blink*

Abner looks startled, then thoughtful.  "Hmmm.  What do you believe are the
connections between Christianity and Science?  I'm sort of curious ..."
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From: trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Barbara Trumpinski)
Subject: Re: Silly Sayings
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:54:19 GMT


damien:

>These two come from Stephen Wright a US comic. Maybre slightly paraphrased due
>toi bad memory.

>"Curiosity killed the cat but for a while i was a suspect"

>[Please do not be offended by that one kitten]

"i won't, of course.  but it always seemed a bit extreme to me to do
away with a poor cat like that....

:)

>"I tease my ptoplants by watering them with ice cubes"
             ^^^^^^^^^

what kind of plants are those...?

>Now onto the exam front I only have two left Tuesday morning and friday afternoon.

good luck."

kitten smiles...

--
***************************************************************************
conan the librarian a.k.a. kitten           /\ /\  barbara ann 
"my life's a soap opera, isn't yours?"      {=.=}
                                              ~   trumpins@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 
"love is the wild card of existance"
                          rita mae brown

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