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From: kim@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Ellis Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: buckles vs. laces - INLINE
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:55:12 GMT
Organization: The Catholic University of America


Me: is easy to retighten. i tried bauer's all-buckle inlines, but they didn't 
Me: fit well on my foot. don't know why. the buckles are adjustable, so i 
Me: don't think that the fault is with the buckle design. 

Tony: Bauer has an all-buckle skate now?  Pray tell, what is the model name
Tony: for this skate?  I'd be interested in the stats for this skate.  Last I
Tony: knew of, they didn't have a buckle skate.  But I guess they're matching
Tony: all the other manufacturers now (unless the above poster was mistaken).

Yeah, I just checked it out again, because i didn't have the model number 
in my memory banks (sheez, the things one does for one's fellow netters ;-)
Anyway, the model number is Bauer XF-3.  It's an all-buckle skate.  The reason
Tony hasn't heard of it is probably because it is a women's inline. And as
such probably of no use to the original poster.  Sorry.  Didn't realize it
was a women's skate until i checked it out again today.  The shop didn't know
if Bauer was coming out with a men's all-buckle skate. Don't know what stats
you would be interested in.  

Am i reading correctly between the lines that you are not in favor of all-
buckle skates? If yes, what is  the reason? I have no experience with an
all-buckle skate , but if the xf-3 had fit my feet, i would have probably 
bought that one. It does seem as if the buckle thing would be extremely
convenient.   
 
== Ellis
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From: SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (SASTLS@MVS.SAS.COM)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Skating in 10k "races"
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:46:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: mvs.19920407104614SASTLS
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
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>From: debbie@concannon.llnl.gov (Debra A. Callahan)
>Message-ID: <121906@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>
>
>My husband and I are fairly new to inline skating.  This weekend,
>our city (Livermore, California) had a fitness day that included
>5k and 10k runs and a 10k "Rollerblade" event.  We found this to
>be a lot of fun and are wondering how to find out about these kinds
>of skating events.
>
>Debbie Callahan
>debbie@concannon.llnl.gov
>debbie@[128.115.41.8]
>
Austin had its Capitol 10,000 10K this past Sunday.  It is a *very*
popular race which has drawn crowds up to 30,000.  In the past, when
Austin wasn't as big, and so the race wasn't so big, pets were allowed
with their owners, babies in strollers with their parents, and other
things than just people on their feet were allowed.  Now that the
Capitol 10,000 is a major deal, it is only open to people on their
feet.  I was very disappointed in this since I was interested in
participating on my in-lines.  :(  I was hoping there would be an
early skating group, as they have done in the past for the "serious"
runners (well, they still let the "serious" runners take out early).
I'm still disappointed.
 
I would also like to know how to find out about these races.  The
obvious thing to do is just ask when you find out about races.  I
guess that's what I'll be doing.
 
--
TAMARA
"Rollergirl, she's taking chances
they just love to see her take them all."    Dire Straits
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: six wheels?
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:02:59 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Apr10.045952.17153@timessqr.gc.cuny.edu> las@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu writes:
> If five wheels making simultaneous contact are faster should not
> six be even faster? The more wheels making contact the less rolling
> resistance?. Is there a diminishing return at some point? 

Obviously there are trade-offs.  More wheels might mean less rolling
drag, but more bearing drag.  Beyond a certain point, the longer
wheelbase is going to make clean stroking more difficult...

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From: pinch@cs.washington.edu (Ricardo Pincheira)
Subject: Re: Inlines:  Racing wheels placement
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 21:00:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.203503.3876@beaver.cs.washington.edu> pinch@cs.washington.edu (Ricardo Pincheira) writes:

BLA BLA

>wheel and compare that to an ice blade).  Finally, the original Darkstar
>plates had only 4 wheels, so there is a certain component of tradition
>involved.  Why? I believe though am not entirely certain
>that this was because the boot was set even lower to the top of the plate
>than it is with the newer plates (old plates took only 72 mm wheels, so the
>boot could be lower), not allowing enough space for 3 wheels between the 2
>boot mounting bolts.  
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oops, screwup in my earlier message
Even in the new plates you only have enough space for 2
wheels between the bolts.  The 3d wheel is immediately in front of the
bolt.  But I do think the rest is true, that the boot in older plates was
set so low to the plate that there wasn't space to put the 3d wheel
immediately in front of the front mounting bolt. (this is where the
boot comes closest to the plate, so. . .)
>
>
>Ricardo

Heh, me again.


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From: damon@osf.org (Damon Poole)
Subject: races in Boston area
Reply-To: damon@nomad.osf.org
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:53:46 GMT

-- 

Hi.

Does anyone know about any races in the Boston area other than the
Rollerblade event on June 13? Also, any idea when they start closing
Mem drive on Sundays?

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From: kevins@primitives.inslab.uky.edu (Kevin Solie)
Subject: Re: Inlines: Emergency techniques?
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 02:11:14 GMT
X-Bytes: 

> 
> Anyway, I'm not particularly happy with the way I handled the emergency.
> Other than the fact I managed to get though it without seriously injuring
> any bystanders or myself, it seemed to be pretty sloppy.
> I've been practicing my stop religiously, but it isn't anywhere near
> automatic, and I'm not sure that I could've stopped that quickly even  
standing
> on the brake.  Any skating gods have some advice on emergency techniques?
> (other than what is in the FAQ list, that is).
> 
> Please keep suggestions on what I should've done to the weenie with the
> cellular phone to yourselves - I've got a perfectly adequate imagination.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Andy Hill
> ahill@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
> 
> P.S. - thanks to all the folks that suggested ways of dealing with ankle
> abrasions - stroking more from my centerline, and not as far out, seems to
> have cleared up the problem!

Ive been inlining for a while now and Ive found the break on these things
useless. Not sure what to do in a pinch. I've found that When going down hills
at a decent speed I can slow down by doing the old skiing trick side to side.
If the trail is to narrow I guess this wont work. This also eats your wheels.
Also, Ive found that the old snow plow trick will work but you must have your
legs a good distance apart.

If all this fails just yell a "heads up" and flip 'em in the air like the  
Little Rascals would do.


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From: saseph@hal.unx.sas.com (Ed Hughes)
Subject: Re: Goaltending (new to group)
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:35:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Originator: saseph@hal.unx.sas.com
X-Bytes: 2276

In article <1992Apr07.210432.17193@watson.ibm.com>, Dale English@watson.ibm.com writes:
>Hi folks!
>     I have been following this group, but waiting until I have finished
>viewing all the current appends before posting.  I noticed one thing.
>
>There seem to be no goaltenders here!
>
Nah--I'm a goalie, have been for 7+ years.  I just haven't had
anything substantial to add to the discussion here. :->

>     Anyways, I AM a goaltender and just purchased a new pair of Micron
>goaltender skates.  In my last pair of Bauers, the leather boot became
>detached from the shell.  Anyways, I am back skating again.  Right now I am
>skating at Rye Playland in Rye, New York.  It will be too bad when the season
>ends.
>
Too bad about the Bauers.  Mine are 6+ uears old, and I've been playing
at least twice a week for the last three years--all year round!  Here in
North Carolina, the season never ends.   They're holding up great.
I've got a game tonight--if they come apart, you'll be hearing from me! :->

>     However, I did get a pair of in-lines for Christmas and have used them
>quite a bit.  My only problem is stopping quickly and reversing direction on
>a dime.  Most of the time when I in-line skate, I usually have a hockey stick
>in my hands.  I have also worked on technique as well, which has carried
>over nicely into ice skating.
>
>     I did have the presence of mind NOT to try to hockey stop with in-lines.
>I have the strength and balance to do a spin stop, but if anyone can provide
>assistance for a "stop-on-a-dime-change-of-direction" move, I would
>appreciate it.
>
This is the main thing (other than lack of time--I've been playing three
times a week lately) that's kept me from using my in-lines very much.
I'm afraid I have the goalie's snowplow-stop too ingrained in my mind.
However, I now have a complete set of pads (knees-wrists-elbows), so I'm
gonna give it a try.  What the heck, I heal pretty quickly anyway!

>Dale "30" English

Ed "1 or 27, whichever's handy" Hughes
(27 from Gilles Meloche, not Ron Hextall)
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From: rosen@radar.bu.edu (David B. Rosen)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: alternative brakes [Re: Rollerblading]
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:54:40 GMT
	<1992Mar27.035203.13692@ultra.com>
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	<1992Mar27.191732.8802@u.washington.edu>
	<ABOULANG.92Mar27145150@pilsner.bbn.com>
Organization: Boston University Dept. of Cognitive and Neural Systems
In-reply-to: aboulang@bbn.com's message of 27 Mar 92 19:51:50 GMT

On the one hand, a more effective and easier-to-learn brake would be
desirable, especially for beginners.  It took me a long time to feel
comfortable braking -- though I mostly avoided urban environments
until I did.  One new product I saw in an article in the Boston Globe
awhile ago is a brake you attach to the bottom of a hockey stick,
which you then put down in front of you and lean on to stop.  This is
probably good for beginners, as it does not require that you lift any
wheels off the ground, instead putting a third "leg" down to brake.

On the other hand, an experienced skater should have little trouble
stopping, the only question being whether they excercise good
judgement about the appropriate speed for a given situation.  It would
not be fair to force them to use new braking equipment that would
require that they change the way they skate, or that might be
expensive.

A front brake is definitely *not* a viable alternative to a back brake
for inline skates, for two reasons.  First, it requires that you lift
all (four or so) wheels off the ground to use it.  You can't leave the
front wheel on the ground (as you leave the back wheel on the ground
for the back brake) because inline skates become *very* unstable with
only the front wheel down, and tend to shoot off to the left or right
at any substantial speed.  Second, a front brake is not capable of
stopping you nearly as fast because you cannot put nearly as much
weight on it.  With practice, you can put nearly all your weight on
your forward-extended foot (because your weight shifts forward onto
this foot as you begin to brake), and thus on its back brake (in fact,
I am told that quad skaters use their front brake while skating in
*reverse* for maximum effectiveness).  The same principle in bicycles
makes the front wheel brake far more effective than the back wheel
brake (so effective in fact that it can throw you over the handlebars
if you're not careful).
--
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and Cognitive & Neural Sys. Dept.            (also rosen@mnhepc.hep.umn.edu)
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From: rosen@radar.bu.edu (David B. Rosen)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Olympic demo sport
Date: 16 Apr 92 06:10:13 GMT
	<1992Apr11.010127.20208@erg.sri.com>
Organization: Boston University Dept. of Cognitive and Neural Systems
In-reply-to: vlad@erg.sri.com's message of 11 Apr 92 01:01:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.010127.20208@erg.sri.com> vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:

>>Do my eyes deceive, or is Roller Hockey one of the demonstration
>>sports at the Summer Olympics in Spain?
>
>Your eyes are fine, Paul. I recall reading the same thing too. Since roller
>hockey is one of the most popular sports in Spain, this should not be
>surprising.

Are inline skates allowed/used for this?  I assume if it is so popular
that it dates back to the quad days.
--
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and Cognitive & Neural Sys. Dept.            (also rosen@mnhepc.hep.umn.edu)
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From: htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Petrenko as Pro
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:15:32 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr7.120843.19759@bcrka451.bnr.ca> mdm@bnr.ca (Diane MacMartin) writes (in part):
>In article <1992Apr6.114458.17189@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> htr@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (helena.t.robinson) writes:
>>Those who were following the sidebar stories from the Worlds may recall that 
>>Viktor Petrenko was going straight to pro skating after his (winning)
>>performance.  Well, his first competition was this weekend, and he came in 
>>second behind Scott Hamilton.  And for those of us who were wondering about 
>>that infamous long program - it was judged 6th (of 8 competitors).
>
>Wow - according to CBC, the competition was going to be against Boitano,
>Orser, and a couple of others as well as Hamilton.  Were they all
>present?  Scottie beat them all?

I don't have the list with me, but I don't recall seeing Boitano or Orser 
listed.  However, I do recall seeing Alexander Fadeev, Robins Cousins, Gary 
Beacom, and one other skater from "Skating '92" whose name suddenly escapes 
me.  The women's competition featured Katarina Witt, Debi Thomas, Elizabeth 
Manley, Caryn Kadavy, Rosalynn Sumners, and one or two others.  I'll post the 
rest tonight or tomorrow.  BTW, the first 3 ladies I listed finished in that 
order.

>Helena, thanks for the info about the TV coverage.  I try to watch the
>weekend Sports anthologies (is there a name for Wide World of Sports,
>etc?) when they cover skating, but often miss it because we're busy with
>our weekend errands.  I caught most of the exhibitions on CBC Sunday,
>but I'll be sure to set up the vcr for the pro competition.

Yes, "anthology" is the term for such shows as Wide World of Sports (ABC), 
Sports Saturday/Sunday (CBS), and Sportsworld (NBC).  Speaking of sports shows, 
the Sports Emmy Awards won't be on TV this year - ESPN, which has the rights, 
has decided production costs are prohibitive.  :-(

Helena Robinson
AT&T
Basking Ridge, NJ
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From: ts_rost@pavo.concordia.ca (Tanja Rosteck)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Martini and Underhill
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:20:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr13.230829.8192@wdl.loral.com>, zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel) writes...
>Another short note on the Diet Coke competition:  Was anyone else as
>dazzled by Martini and Underhill as I was?  I thought that they were
>not just good, they were HOT!

It's really great to see them still skating together. They're doing a great
job together doing skating commentary for the CBC here. I wonder if Barbara
is going to keep up her skating after her baby is born in October...

On an interesting note, Paul Martini's father was vice-principal of my
high school the first year I was there (1984). I remember going into his
office one day and seeing the room COVERED in pictures of Paul and Barbara
in competition and posing with their awards!

*TsR
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From: quinn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Michael J. Quinn)
Subject: Re: Ice skating rinks
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 18:03:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.105457.12457@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> jll@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (julia lawall) writes:
>
>I'm new to skating, so please forgive my ignorance.
>
>Are there rinks that are open in the summer time?  More particularly, are
>there any in or near Princeton, NJ?
>
>julia


For ice skating in the Princeton, NJ area in the summer there is one
nearby choice:  Ice Land.  Ice Land is a 2 year old indoor facility with
two full size rinks.  General admission skating sessions are Monday
through Friday from 10 AM - 1 PM as well as both day and evening
sessions on weekends.  The weekend sessions are crowded.  Admission is
$5 and skate rental (figure or hockey) is $1.50.  Ice Land is located in
Hamilton, NJ which is about a 15 minute drive from the center of
Princeton.  Their telephone number is (609) 588-6672.
From: piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Inlines: Emergency techniques?
Date: 17 Apr 92 21:14:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ariel.17APR199216140638
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Apr17.190111.9887@midway.uchicago.edu>, kley@dent.uchicago.edu (Holger Kley) writes...
> 
>etc. when dealing with pedestrians.  But what do you do in the
>following case?  I was skating along (quickly) on a down-sloping bike

[... story of 2 pedestrians in oncoming direction who didn't move aside]

The best one can do on these kinds of trails is assume you have no idea
whatsoever what other people are going to do ... and make sure you can
skate in control regardless.  I've had similar situations; obviously the
oncoming pedestrians simply don't know  how much room you need on skates.
So what do you do about it? Well, you slow down; if there's room to
glide past (no stroking) on the path you do it, otherwise *you* step
off the path. You can't control their actions; control your own. It's
irrelevant who was "right".


Nancy Piltch            piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio 44135
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: mann@vis.toronto.edu (Richard Anthony Mann)
Subject: Getting a good fit for boots
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:49:05 GMT

I recently bought a pair of Rollerblade lightnings.  In order to get
a good fit (I have a wide foot) I had to buy a slightly bigger size
than I need.
Is there any way to alter the fit of the boot (ie., make the boot a little
shorter)?  I've heard of molding foam to fit your foot in ski boots,
does such a thing exist for blades?  Is such a material available?
I was thinking of just putting rags or old socks in the toe, but there
must be a better way!

Richard Mann.
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From: adchen@room.Princeton.EDU (Anthony D. Chen)
Subject: Re: Olympic demo sport
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:11:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.114030.3866@actrix.gen.nz> paul@actrix.gen.nz (Paul Gillingwater) writes:
>Do my eyes deceive, or is Roller Hockey one of the demonstration
>sports at the Summer Olympics in Spain?

I think rollerhockey has been an event in the Pan American Games.  I'm not
sure how often those run, but I've yet to see a rollerhockey event
televised.  

-Tony Chen
 adchen@phoenix.princeton.edu
From: piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Nancy Piltch)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: alternative brakes [Re: Rollerblading]
Date: 17 Apr 92 21:31:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: ariel.17APR199216314345
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <ABOULANG.92Apr17145432@kariba.bbn.com>, aboulanger@bbn.com writes...

>conclusion however, that this is perhaps not sufficient and equipment
>improvements may be needed for inlines. Unfortunately learning to skate

Albert, would you consider renting a pair of inlines for an afternoon, 
and trying the brake first hand? I think you would convince yourself
that the heel brake really is effective. Make an honest effort; you're
not going to get the hang of it on the first attempt. However, in 2 or
3 hours of start-and-stop practice on an empty parking lot or similar
level surface you should be able to do it. 


Nancy Piltch            piltch@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov
NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland Ohio 44135
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From: las@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Subject: Re: buckles vs. laces - INLINE
Reply-To: las@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Organization: Computer Center, CUNY Graduate School, New York NY 10036
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 21:19:49 GMT


In article <1992Apr13.162121.27918@cs.cornell.edu>, lasala@cs.cornell.edu (Steve LaSala) writes:
>	I'm debating between models of inline and wondering about the pros and
>cons of buckles and laces.  It would seem that laces might offer a more
>individual fit, but take time to get on and off.  Buckles look like they
>might be faster on/off for transportation-around-town purposes but I worry
>that they might be too rigid (like an alpine ski boot) for good skating.
>How about the combination of laces and a top buckle?  Any enlightening opinions
>and experiences would be welcome.
 
A reply:

Whether buckles or laces depends on what distances you plan on transporting  
yourself. For short distances which  involve removing skates upon arrival, I 
would choose buckles. For very long distances where comfort is a must I would
use laces. Laces are more comfortable but more time consuming to use.        
Buckles are quite easy to handle and are quite comfortable You can usually
adjust the degree of tightness, but the fit is not as adjustable as is the fit
with laces. You might try a combination of the two.                       

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