From: lyxuan@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: [MISC] Xin Pha't Bie^?u Y' Kie^'n!!
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:42:41 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory

Ca'c Ba.n Tre^n Die^~n DDa`n SCV me^'n,

Ho^m nay to^i vie^'t ba`i na^`y nha(`m mu.c ddi'ch tham kha?o y' kie^'n
cu?a ca'c ba.n ve^` mo^.t chuye^.n nho nho?. Va` hy-vo.ng ca'c ba.n se? 
phu. go'p y' kie^'n theo le~ co^ng ba(`ng.

So^' la` nhu+ the^' na^`y:

Ho^m nay to^i nha^.n ddu+o+.c mo^.t la' tho+ (DEMANDING) cu?a te^n
Tra^`n Tha'i Linh@utah! Ha('n ke^u to^i pha?i xin lo^?i ha('n vi`
nhu+?ng lo+`i le? to^i dda? du`ng khi dde^` ca^.p dde^'n te^n na^`y!

DDu+'ng o+? vi. tri' nhu+ to^i, to^i nha^.n tha^'y la` mi`nh co' pha^`n
to^'i ta(m! Co' le~ ca'c ba.n ddu+'ng be^n ngoa`i thi` se? sa'ng ho+n!

Ne^'u sau khi ca'c ba.n coi la.i ba`i ke`m theo cu?a ha('n va` ca?m nha^.n
lo+`i le? cu?a ha('n kho^ng dda'ng bi. tra'ch mo'c, thi` to^i se? mo^.t
mu+.c la`m theo y' cu?a ca'c ba.n. To^i tin va`o su+. sa'ng suo^'t cu?a ca'c
ba.n!!

Va` xin ho?i ha('n co' ne^n xin lo^?i to^i hay kho^ng ????!!!
Rie^ng ca' nha^n, to^i kho^ng ddo`i ho?i ha('n pha?i xin lo^?i!
Ha('n hie^?u ddu+o+.c la` ddu? ro^`i!!!

Tha`nh tha^.t ca'm o+n ca'c ba.n xa ga^`n!

Tru'c Vie^.t aka HandsomeStranger...........

Sau dda^y la` ba ba`i post cu?a tha(`ng Tra^`n Tha'i Linh!!!

-------Messages extracted from SCV, Written by Tra^`n Tha'i Linh!-------

X-News: sscvx1 soc.culture.vietnamese:15225
From: ltran@utah (Linh T. Tran x4900)
Subject:[MISC] Does crazy person knows that he/she is crazy?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:33:56 GMT
Message-ID:<1992Aug13.203356.13260@lsil.com>


        What was uttered below reminds me of a story. It is about Trang Tu+?
and Hue^. Tu+? . (The name may be wrong. It has been a long time that I read
thi
s story. Could recite it a bit different than the original story).
The story goes:

        Hue^. Tu+? came to visit Trang Tu+? and met him on the bridge. Trang
        Tu+? pointed at the Red Fishes in the water, and told Hue^. Tu+?:
        -- They are happy, as they don't have to worry about the world.

        Hue^. Tu+? retorted:
        -- Are you a fish? If you are not, how would you know?

        Trang Tu+? answered:
        -- You are not me! Then how could you know for certain that I don't
        know, even if I am not a fish?

        The story let us think about sanity. It is hard for us to know an
insane person actually knows he is sane or not. Thus, unless we were
insane, somehow we couldn't know. Howabout insane person knows deep
down inside him/her that he/she is insane, but cannot do anything
to prevent the insanity to creep out?

        How do we know we are sane or not? It is hard. That is why MOST of
the insane persons wouldn't say that they are insane. Because they didn't know.
But eventually, some admit that they were insane in a particular time.

        What made us judged as insane by the society, by other? Even it is not
a crime to be insane, it is not a desirable trait.

        Some insane are genius, and some genius became insane. But most of
the insane are not genius. So, claiming one is insane doesn't prove anything.
A sane person who claim that he is insane is surely a hypocrite, unless it is
for some circumstances, he must fake the insanity (To^n Ta^~n, for example).

        It is interesting to note that the normal people would judge easily
of some one is insane. And the normal people would see only one or two out
of a thousand who are insane. However, the insane person would see all others
as abnormal. Thus, saying that all other are insane is a sign of losing one's
sanity.

        In conclusion, it is hard to know that we are insane or not. So, to
make sure that I am normal, I would listen to whatever my entourage told
me. And I try to make them see me as normal. After all, the difference between
an insane person and a sane person is only in the fact that the former
couldn't curb his/her unreasonnable thoughts, while the later could.

        Linh

lyxuan@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:
:
: I do what I want!
: A crazy person never say that they are insane! or crazy!!! Right??
: I am crazy!! But you're way worse! A loony!!  HeeHeeHee!!!!
:
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The above was my response to Chris Chu(Nguye^.n) This response has nothing 
to do with Tra^`n Tha'i Linh!!!)(nevertheless he included in his post!)
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X-News: sscvx1 soc.culture.vietnamese:15249
From: ltran@utah (Linh T. Tran x4900)
Subject:Re: [REQUEST] LOGGING FILE FOR 7/27/92-8/13/92
Date: 14 Aug 92 05:57:11 GMT
Message-ID:<1992Aug14.055711.19897@lsil.com>

lyxuan is Ly' Tru'c Vie^.t hay Tua^'n Z. Nguye^~n ?

Linh

lyxuan@sscvx1.ssc.gov writes:
: Hello Folks,
:
: Can anyone on the net tell me how I can get a copy of this
: month's logging file? Preferably from July 27th thru August 13th.
: I understand Vietanh@mit can help me! Much obliged!
:
: If it is more convenience, can you post it here?
:
: Regards,
:
: Tua^'n Z. Nguye^~n
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X-News: sscvx1 soc.culture.vietnamese:15399
From: ltran@utah (Linh T. Tran x4900)
Subject:[MISC] Chuye^.n cho' me`o be^n VN
Date: 17 Aug 92 02:30:51 GMT
Message-ID:<1992Aug17.023051.12967@lsil.com>

Subject: [MISC] Na(m Tua^'t, ba`n chuye^.n cho' .
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Distribution: world
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation
Reply-To: ltran@dsp.lsil.com


        Nha^n di.p tre^n net xo^n xao ve^` vu. cho' me`o, to^i xin ke^?
va`i chuye^.n nga('n ve^` cho' me`o . Chuye^.n na`y, no'i ra ddau lo`ng,
ne^n kho^ng pha?i la` chuye^.n vui cu+o+`i . Va` chuye^.n na`y kha' sensitive
ne^n to^i kho^ng post ba(`ng tie^'ng Anh . Ca'c ba.n se~ hie^?u ro~ ly'
do cu?a to^i sau khi ddo.c chuye^.n . Va^.y xin ca'c ba.n reply hay criticise
ba(`ng tie^'ng Vie^.t . To^i kho^ng muo^'n ngu+o+`i ngoa`i hie^?u la^`m
ve^` ba?n cha^'t hie^`n ho`a cu?a ngu+o+`i Vie^.t . Chi? vi` o+? ca'c
hoa`n ca?nh kha'c nhau, ngu+o+`i Ta^y Phu+o+ng kho' ma` hie^?u ddu+o+.c
va` se~ co' nhu+~ng a^'n tu+o+.ng xa^'u ve^` da^n ta . Co`n chu'ng ta,
chu'ng ta pha?i bie^'t chuye^.n ddau lo`ng na`y .

        Cha('c ca'c ba.n co' nghe no'i ve^` chuye^.n ca'c qua'n thi.t ca^`y .
(Sorry anh So+n, cu+.c cha(?ng dda~ mo+'i nha('c to+'i ca'i mo'n khoa'i
kha^?u cu?a anh) . Nga`y xu+a, cho' ddi rong bi. ngu+o+`i ta ba('t va`
la`m thi.t  dde^? a(n . Va^.y ne^n cho' mi`nh, mi`nh pha?i giu+~, ddu+`ng
cho no' ddi rong ma` no' tha`nh mo'n Co+` Ta^y Na^'u Cha'o . Hoa(.c la`
ngu+o+`i ta nuo^i cho' ro^`i ba('t la`m thi.t . Thie^'t cu~ng ne^n nha('c
la` ngu+o+`i Vie^.t xem con cho' nhu+ la` mo^.t su'c va^.t, cu~ng nhu+ con ga`,
con heo . Chu'ng kho^ng ddu+o+.c cu+ng chi`u nhu+ o+? dda^y .

        Ma` co' cu+ng chi`u ddu+o+.c gi`: be^n nha`, co+m nga`y ba buo^?i
ddu? no la` vui la('m ro^`i . Con cho' nuo^i dde^? no' thanh toa'n ma^'y
ca'i xu+o+ng, hay la`m sa.ch ca'i sa^n, ddu+'a em nho? lo+~ da.i la`m ba^.y .
No'i to'm la.i, con cho' o+? Vie^.t Nam no' cu+.c bie^'t ma^'y . Con ngu+o+`i
co`n kho^ng ddu+o+.c ba(`ng con cho' cu?a o^ng My~ ba` Ta^y, huo^'ng chi
con cho' xu+' nghe`o .

        Trong Nam, ca'i nghe^` ba'n thi.t cho' kho^ng ma^'y thi.nh ha`nh,
vi` vo^'n di~ ngu+o+`i Nam ky. a(n thi.t cho' . Nhu+ng sau 1975, ca'c ha`ng
qua'n thi.t cho' ca`ng nga`y ca`ng thi.nh ha`nh .

        Ngu+o+`i ta ddi ba('t cho' khi xu+a cu~ng co`n chu't nha^n dda.o .
To^i co' tha^'y ngu+O+`i ta ddi ba('t cho' ddi rong o+? Sa`i Go`n tru+o+'c
75. Sau, to^i tha^'y ngu+o+`i ta cha.y xe honda, mo^.t ngu+o+`i ca^`m sa`o
co' tho`ng lo.ng, mo^.t ngu+o+`i ca^`m bao bo^' . Cu+' tro`ng tho`ng lo.ng va`o
dda^`u con cho', va` tru`m bao bo^' le^n dda^`u no', bao la.i, va` ba('t
ddu+o+.c no' . Cho' co' da~y du.a, va` co`n ke^u u+ u+? ddu+o+.c . Ma`
ba('t nhu+ va^.y cu~ng to^'n tho+`i gio+` cha.y theo cho' (du` ba(`ng Honda)
va` lu+`a di.p ma` chu.p no' . Khi ba('t ddu+o+.c, so+. cho' che^'t vi`
ngo^.p tho+?, thi.t kho^ng co`n tu+o+i, ngu+o+`i ta no+'i da^y ra mo^.t
chu't . Khi ve^` ma` la`m thi.t mo+'i gie^'t no' che^'t . Va^.y thi` con
cho' che^'t cu~ng le. la`ng, du` ra(`ng tru+o+'c khi che^'t bi. terrified,
nhu+ng kho^ng dde^'n no^~i ddau ddo+'n .

        To^i co`n nghe no'i la` ngu+O+`i la`m thi.t cho' khi xu+a co'
ddo.c loa.i kinh ca^`u sie^u cho ma^'y con cho', nhu+ ba` ngoa.i to^i
la^m ra^m kha^'n khi pha?i la`m ga` dde^? na^'u cho to^i co+m ga` khi xu+a
va^.y .

        Nay, co' nghe anh ba.n ve^` Vie^.t Nam tha(m nha`, va` ke^? la.i
mo^.t so^' chuye^.n ddau lo`ng nhu+ chuye^.n ngu+o+`i ta ca^u cho' . Ca^u nhu+
ca^u ca' va^.y . Xin mie^~n ba`n ve^` chuye^.n ve^` VN vi` ly' do gi` .
DDa.i kha'c la` anh na`y kho^ng co' ke^? nhu+~ng chuye^.n sung su+o+'ng
nhu+ nhie^`u ngu+o+`i ke^? la.i . Co' le~ mo^~i ngu+o+`i co' mo^.t ca'i nhi`n
kha'c cha(ng ?

        To^i nghe no'i to+'i "ca^u cho'" kho^ng kho?i tha('c ma('c ho?i anh
a^'y lie^`n:

        - "Ca^u cho' la`m sao ? Sao pha?i ca^u nhu+ va^.y ?"

        - "Thi` ba('t kho^ng ddu+o+.c mo+'i ca^u,"  Anh a^'y tra? lo+`i .
                "Ho^m a^'y to^i ddi cho+i ve^`, nghe nha` no'i con cho' va`ng
                o+? nha` bi. ca^u ma^'t, to^i cu~ng nga.c nhie^n nhu+ chu'
                va^.y . Tha(`ng em to^i mo+'i ke^? ra(`ng la` con cho' nha`
                mi`nh kho^n la('m . No' chi? ddu+'ng trong ra`o su?a ra tho^i .
                Va^.y ne^n ho. tro`ng tho`ng lo.ng kho^ng ddu+o+.c . Nhu+ng
                khi ho. ddem cu.c thi.t ra nhu+~ thi` con cho' no' ham,
                nha?y ra ddo+'p . DDo+'p thi` bi. ca^u luo^n ."

        - "Va^.y ..." to^i va^~n tha('c ma('c, "thi` la` nhu+~ no' cho+' dda^u
                pha?i ca^u ?"

Anh no'i:
        - "Va^.y mo+'i no'i . Ca^u nhu+ ca^u ca' va^.y . Co' ca^`n, co' da^y
                va` co' lu+o+~i ca^u, mo'c va`o cu.c thi.t dda`ng hoa`ng .
                Cho' VN ma`, da.o na`y co' con na`o ddu+o+.c a(n thi.t ?
                Tha^'y thi.t thi` o^ng to^? ba ddo+`i nha` no' no' cu~ng
                ddo+'p . Ba'c Ho^` no' cu~ng da'm ta'p luo^n cho+'
                ddu+`ng no'i cu.c thi.t cha.y so+` so+` tre^n ma(.t ddu+o+`ng."

        - "Ghe^ qua'", to^i kho^ng kho?i ru`ng mi`nh tu+o+?ng tu+o+.ng ca?nh
                con cho' ddo+'p cu.c thi.t, ma('c lu+o+~i ca^u va` bi. ke'o
                ddi . "Cha('c no' ke^u du+~ la('m ..."

Anh nga('t lo+`i:

        - "Ta^`m ba^.y! Kho^ng ke^u ddu+o+.c mo^.t tie^'ng . Co' tha(`ng em no'
                la la`ng thi` co' . Nhu+ng cho`m xo'm dda^u co' ai da'm ra
                cha^.n ma^'t te^n ca^u cho' . Tie^.m thi.t ca^`y la`m a(n co'
                gia^'y phe'p, co' Co^ng An Phu+o+`ng la`m ho^. pha'p thi`
                cho' nha` ho. chu+a cha('c ho. da'm ra la . Con cho' ddau
                nghie^'n, bi. lo^i ddi se^`n se^.t ba(`ng xe honda. DDe^'n
                lu'c kho^ng co`n da~y du.a ddu+o+.c nu+~a ma` . Vi` cho' ta'p
                lu+o+~i ca^u, nuo^'t va`o bu.ng, ne^n no' co`n ta'p la.i
                ddu+o+.c , kho^ng xuo^'ng go+~ lu+o+~i ca^u ddu+o+.c .
                Ma` cha('c ho. cu~ng so+. chu? cho' . Ne^n ke'o no' to+'i
                tie^.m thi.t Ca^`y thi` no' cu~ng che^'t gia^'c ro^`i .
                Lu'c ddo' cha('c mo+'i ri`nh ri`nh dda^.p no' che^'t ro^`i
                la`m thi.t . No' ma` co`n so^'ng thi` no' co`n ta'p ddu+o+.c ,
                kho^ng pha?i nhu+ du`ng tho`ng lo.ng dde^? ba('t no' ."

        Nghe qua ca^u chuye^.n, to^i tha^'y ro+.n ngu+o+`i . Lu+o+ng ta^m
con ngu+o+`i ta xuo^'ng tha^'p dde^'n nhu+ va^.y sao ? DDa~ dda`nh ra(`ng
hoa`n ca?nh kha'c , tho+`i ddie^?m kha'c . Nghe^` ddi ca^u cho' cha('c
cu~ng la` mo^.t ca'i nghe^` nhu+ mo.i nghe^` kha'c . Ngu+o+`i ta cha^'p
nha^.n va` tro+ ra ddo' dde^? cha^'p nha^.n . Nhu+ng xem mo^.t sinh va^.t
che^'t ddau ddo+'n nhu+ va^.y ma` to^'i ngu? nha('m ma('t ddu+o+.c, thi`
chi? co' o+? ddi.a ngu.c mo+'i co' ca?nh ddo' .

        Anh ba.n co`n no'i the^m:

        - "Nghe tha(`ng em co`n no'i, cho' ke'o tha(?ng dde^'n tie^.m, bi.
                dda^.p ca'i bo^'p tre^n dda^`u, chu? tie^.m ddu+a tie^`n
                cho "tho+. ca^u" ro^`i "tho+. ca^u" ddi ba('t con kha'c ..."

        To^i kho^ng tra'ch nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i ddi ca^u cho' , du` ddie^`i ddo'
cu~ng la` ddie^`u ta`n a'c, ngay ddo^'i vo+'i su'c va^.t . To^i kho^ng tra'ch
o^ng ha`ng thi.t, vi` o^ng ta la`m ca'i nghe^` ddo^` te^? . To^i cu~ng
kho^ng tra'ch nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i dde^'n nha^.u nhe.t o+? ca'c qua'n thi.t
ca^`y, du` chi'nh ho. la` nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i tru+.c tie^'p tie^u thu. .

        To^i chi? buo^`n ra(`ng xa~ ho^.i VN nga`y nay, con ngu+o+`i ta ti`m
que^n nhie^`u ho+n la` ti`m nho+' . Uo^'ng xi. dde^' nha^'m mie^'ng thi.t
ca^`y dde^? que^n ddi qua' khu+'. DDi nha?y dda^`m ha`ng nga`y, ddie^`u ma`
ngay o+? A^u My~ cu~ng kho^ng co' la`m, du` ban nga`y la`m vie^.c la(.c va(.c
gi` ddo' qua nga`y, dde^? que^n ddi tu+o+ng lai . Bia o^m, cafe o^m, kem o^m,
kaharaoke o^m, etc. dde^? que^n ddi hie^.n ta.i .

        DDu+`ng no'i ra(`ng to^i kho^ng muo^'n hie^?u nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i ve^`
VN dde^? tha(m gia ddi`nh . Ai co' cha me. gia`, co' tha^n nha^n quye^'n
thuo^.c, ve^` dde^? thu xe^'p chuye^.n nha`, ve^` vi` chuye^.n hie^'u dde^?,
ddo' la` ca'i bo^?n pha^.n la`m ngu+o+`i . To^i kho^ng cho^'ng . Nhu+ng ddu+`ng
ve^` chi? dde^? ddem ddo^ My~ ra so ro^`i no'i be^n ddo' re~ la('m . He^'t
tie^`n ddo^ ro^`i thi` ddo+`i so^'ng ma('c la('m ca'c ba.n a. . DDu+`ng ve^`
chi? dde^? tha^'y ca'c pho`ng tra` ca nha.c, dde^? a(n cho+i , tha^'t ddu+'c
la('m ca'c ba.n a. . Ne^'u ca'c ba.n cho ra(`ng nhu+ va^.y la` qua' khi'ch,
thi` to^i cu~ng cha(?ng bie^'t no'i sao la` ho+n . Ne^'u ca'c ba.n vie^.n co+'
ddi du li.ch ddem tie^`n ve^` cho ngu+o+`i Vie^.t, thi` ho'a ra tha(m gia
ddi`nh, cha me., co^ ba'c, ho. ha`ng, no' kho^ng quan tro.ng ba(`ng ca'i
pho`ng tra`, qua'n bia o^m sao ?

        Tro+? la.i chuye^.n cho' me`o . To^i xin anh Nguyen Kim ddu+`ng
co' ma('ng chu+?i ca'c anh Lyxuan va` Longan va` so sa'nh ho. nhu+ cho' me`o .
Cho' me`o nhu+ chuye^.n to^i ke^? tre^n dda'ng thu+o+ng la('m, kho^ng pha?i la`
ca'i chuye^.n mi`nh ddem ra so sa'nh ddu+o+.c .

        Linh

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Ca'c Ba.n me^'n,

P.S. No'i cho ddu'ng thi` to^i ddi.nh giu+? im la(.ng! Nhu+ng sau khi ha('n
bie^n ba`i thu+' ba, thi` to^i ca?m tha^'y, ne^'u to^i kho^ng le^n tie^'ng
ha('n se? tu+o+?ng bo+? ro^`i muo^'n nhai nuo^'t nga^'u ngie^'n the^m!!!

Nhu+?ng tha`nh pha^`n thuo^.c ba(ng Tu' Xua^'t ca^`n pha?i de.p ngay!
Ne^'u dde^? ma(.c chu'ng la`m tro+`i, to^i e ra(`ng ddie^?n dda`n SCV
ca`ng nga`y the^m nga.t ./.

Tha^n cha`o,

Tru'c Vie^.t aka HandsomeStranger..........
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese