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From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: X/Wans
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:04:07 GMT
Organization: cic

fgreco@shearson.com (Frank Greco) writes:

>In article <1992Dec4.101028.2027@cbfsb.cb.att.com> you write:
>>We have been conducting an experiment recently to see how usable an X
>>application is over a wide area network (UK - US).

>	Not too much luck over "ordinary" T1 lines.

>	We tried to run apps in London with $DISPLAY back to NYC, which
>	were ungodly slow (ie, unusable for trading applications).  Our
>	next attempt (which we didn't complete) should be to test the
>	Xremote compression algorithm (I believe the NCD X-terminals
>	use this and is proposed to the X Consortium as a standard).

>	We eventually punted and put the app at the remote sites.

>	I guess ISDN would make X over a WAN more usable though.

Is it possible you are using a satellite link? This link would incur
a round-trip delay in the order of a second. Try running xscope. It gives
you timestamps on the requests/responses (see man xscope while in
Open Windows).

>>Also, does the X11/NeWS server implement backing store ? and would you expect
>>backing store to improve the situation ?

>	Yes it would allay the slowdown somewhat; but I really believe its
>	an inherent problem in X's design that perhaps R6 might address more
>	properly.

I doubt that. Many features in X require an exchange between the client
and the server. NeWS is much better for this kind of work, being able to
run more parts of the application on the server. If it is at all possible,
try converting the application to TNT; or just try one of the NeWS demos
like jed on your link. This will tell you if the delays *are* the problem.

In fact, a "narrow" line (9600 even) would be better than a "wide" line
as T1 if the narrow line is on an Atlantic cable and the wide "line"
runs through a satellite.
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From: jipping@cs.hope.edu (Mike Jipping)
Subject: Re: GNU C/C++ for Sun
Reply-To: jipping@cs.hope.edu
Organization: Hope College
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:30:33 GMT



Xref: sparky comp.sys.sun.apps:2872 comp.graphics:13230
From: strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps,comp.graphics
Subject: UNIX color bitmap editor?
Date: 28 Dec 1992 16:25:13 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu
Keywords: SUN

I'm interested in information on EVERY color bitmap editing program
that is available for UNIX computers, and specifically SUN's with the
*twm and/or *mwm window managers.

I was delighted to hear that CorelDRAW has been ported over to most
UNIX platforms, but the faxback sheets I got from their automated
1-800 service seems to indicate that the bitmap editor (which is on
both the Windoze and Windoze CD-ROM versions) is *NOT* present in the
UNIX version.  Now, with the entire package costing almost six hundred
US$ (the educational discount is $300, which makes the price much more
paletable!), I can't believe they didn't take the time to port over
the bitmap editor.

The CS department at my University has Island Paint, which I am not
impressed with.  I have only been able to use it on monochrome X
displays, but the tools just don't seem very powerful to me.

The issue of editing these bitmaps is very important to me, but the
wares themselves must be the "Stealth Application"(tm) of UNIX.
Please email me any and all information on PD, Shareware, or
commercial bitmap editing software for the SUN SPARCstation line.
Please, I'm not interested in anything that requires OPEN LOOK.

Stratocaster
(a proud FUTURE owner of a SPARCstation if he can find this damn software)
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From: pmurphy@nrao.edu (Pat Murphy)
Subject: Re: Dumping OW and running X11R5(Was: Speed
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
	<1992Dec21.125413.7374@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:07:26 GMT

"Tom" == Thomas Wolf <wolf@merlin.mt.att.com> writes:

Tom> In article 92Dec19221053@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu, pmurphy@nrao.edu
Tom> (Pat Murphy) writes:

Pat> You can alternately add the OW fonts to your X server's font path with
Pat> the "xset fp+" and related commands.  I run an X11R5 server, the tvtwm
Pat> window manager, and with this command in the startup scripts all
Pat> non-news OW applications seem to be happy.

Tom> OW used different font files than X11R4 (so the above wouldn't
Tom> work).  Can the X11R5 server read OW font files?

You are right of course.  I don't use the "xset" command for Suns (but
I do for Dec/Ultrix; my hacked "startx" script has a case statement
keying off architecture...).  However, the lucida fonts included with
X11R5 seem to make most OW applications happy.  "xset -q" reveals that
I have the following in my default font path:

    /local/X11R5/lib/X11/fonts/misc/
    /local/X11R5/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/
    /local/X11R5/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/
    /local/X11R5/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/

Presumably this built-in font path is a reflection of the way X11R5
was installed here.
				- Pat
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From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Dumping OW and running X11R5(Was: Speed of Openwin 3)
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:47:26 GMT

>|  But seriously, I have seen what other vendors bundle.

I always respected Solbourne for bundling all of X (and some useful clients
like xloadimage), although they tended to be a little slow getting new releases
out.

>|  spin in decwindows lately?  How about that thing HP calls X11?

I think that HP does a better job than many vendors, although (if I remember
correctly) the include files are in a subset that one has to pay for, and that
as of four months ago they were still at R4 and made one pay for the OSF's Motif.
I built R5 under HPUX, but wish that HP would return to the policy of providing
server support to MIT.

>I have a DEC Alpha/APX here running DECwindows, and the _subjective_ opinion
>of all who've tried it is that it's SLOWER than my SUN-3/60 running X11R5 as
>regards window re-arranging, etc.;

It would be interesting to compare both to a 2/50 running 3.x and suntools.
As we get faster workstations, we get OS's, window systems, and tools with
more overhead.  I believe that these days much of the development cost of
commercial applications is in glitzing the interface, and actual functionality
is often secondary.  I find it interesting that some vendors go to great
expense to build their products with both XView (OpenLook) and the OSF's
Motif toolkit, when I'd really rather have it use neither.

For example, earlier versions of FrameMaker weren't ALL that bad on a diskless
3/60 with 8 meg running 4.1.1, but recent versions with the OSF's Motif
library statically linked in are over 2.5 meg (3 meg for sun4's), and are
nearly unusable on a 12-meg machine.
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From: willem@sparc-1.law.columbia.edu (System Admin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: WP5.1 SLOW in OpenWindows 3.0 ? Is it us or a general problem
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:32:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Dec23.191234.2923@wam.umd.edu>, almquist@wam.umd.edu (Squish) writes:
|> I administer a site that has (4) Sun 670MP servers and 80 NCD Xterminals.
|> For some unknown reason we are using WordPerfect 5.1 running XDM/X/OW/etc.
|> Performance SUCKS!  I can't believe WordPerfect has the balls to sell us
|> such a PITIFUL piece of software.  SERIOUSLY!  I do mean this.  There has been
|> lots of talk about returning it and demanding a refund.  Performance is
|> VERY VERY VERY PITIFUL.  I don't think its cause it can't be done its simply
|> that WP didn't hire some swift X hackers.  Worst problem is that when you
|> get to the bottom of the page WP then re-paints the whole window and there
|> is MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR lag.  IMHO WP5.1 for Unix is the biggest and best kludge 
|> around.  Any other WP5.1 user out there?  Any one happy?
|> 
|> - Mike Almquist

Although I agree that it is annoying for WP to repaint when you hit the bottom of
the page, it is otherwise a tremedeous WordProcessing package!

One of the best things it has going for it is the file transfer accross
diverse platforms!  There is no other wordprocessor out there which works the
same under DOS, Mac, Unix, VMS or IBM.  File formats are the same etc!

We have a large server running NFS parttions to DOS and Unix users all using WP
without having to worry about file translations.  For example my assistant who is
using a DOS machine can work on a document and I can open it up afterwards on
my workstation make changes save it and back and forth...

There are many feature implemented in WP which make it very usefull.  I agree it
needs a few bug fixes but it works great!

-Willem.

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From: db74+@andrew.cmu.edu (Derrick J. Brashear)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: Dumping OW and running X11R5(Was: Speed of Openwin 3)
Date: 28 Dec 92 08:50:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.AfDolie00Vo9I3SkVL
  <1992Dec8.162033.19938@ncsu.edu>
	<72495@cup.portal.com>
Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.sun.apps: 28-Dec-92 Re: Dumping OW and
running .. Thad P Floryan@cup.porta (705)

> I have a DEC Alpha/APX here running DECwindows, and the _subjective_ opinion
> of all who've tried it is that it's SLOWER than my SUN-3/60 running X11R5 as
> regards window re-arranging, etc.; this has also caused several to bemuse that
> DEC should have named the system "Omega".  :-)
Gee, I'm glad I got a Sun:-)

Seriously, though. When my network connection is restored, I think I'm
going to have both X11R5 and OW 2 (It's a 3/160). Best of both worlds.


-D
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From: izeek@techunix.technion.ac.il (Ilan Aisic)
Subject: JAM from JYACC - mouse buttons ?
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:09:52 GMT
Keywords: JAM, JYACC, mouse buttons

I'm posting this on behalf of a friend who is using JAM on top of OpenWindows
on a Sun SPARC to create an application.
My friend complains that she can only program JAM to accept left button (the 
SELECT button) from the mouse.  If she presses the right mouse button (MENU), 
her application displays the default OW menu that she doesn't want.
In fact, she would like to assign the JAM "Help" function to the middle or 
right mouse button instead of a keyboard combination as suggested.
The solution if any, should not alter the OpenWindows behavior (xmodmap).

If there are JAM experts out there, I also have another question:
How do I get from a JAM application some Xlib variables like the
Display pointer, the Window id, etc.  If someone wants to add some
X - extentions to a JAM application how he/she go about it?

Thanks in advance,

    ____
     /  /   __ 
    /  /   /_/ /| /
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
From: denise@agps.lanl.gov (Denise Richards)
Subject: Thesaurus, Dictionary, Atlas
Organization: A-10, LANL
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:22:03 GMT

Hi,
I'm looking for an online thesaurus, dictionary, and atlas, not necessarily in one
package, for Sun4 and Sun4c.  Anyone have any experience with any or know of any
sources?

Please email me directly.

Thanks,
Denise J. Richards
Los Alamos National Laboratory
denise@agps.lanl.gov
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From: pthompson@walnut.prs.k12.nj.us (Peter C. Thompson)
Subject: Sun ISDN- Router SW?
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.apps
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton Regional Schools
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 05:14:18 GMT

I have seen that some of the Sun Sparcstations have ISDN hardware built in.
 Question:  is there any software out there that would allow me to perform
ISDN to Ethernet routing?  For instance, if a public school was able to
arrange an ISDN connection to an Internet provider, ane we purchased an
appropriate Sun, could I connect my local networks through the Sun to the
Internet without having to purchase a dedicated ISDN router?  Even better
would be a LocalTalk connection...

What kind of money would be involved in such a setup?  (not including the
ISDN circuit setup and recurring costs...)

Peter Thompson
Princeton Regional Schools
pthompson@walnut.prs.k12.nj.us
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From: donr@dolphin (Don Robinson)
Subject: Re: No fish from realxfishdb
Reply-To: vlsiphx!donr@asuvax.eas.asu.edu
Organization: VLSI Technology, Inc. (Tempe)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:01:45 GMT

I apologize if the answer to this post has been posted already.  My News feed
was down for a loooooong time and then I never got caught up with the threads
in this group.

In article 15834@bmerh85.bnr.ca, crm182c@bmers245.uucp (Hing-Fai Lee) writes:
->I was just moved to OW3 from OW2. Under $OPENWINHOME/demo there
->is a program called realxfishdb. I ran realxfishdb with command
->line options and also by setting them from fish_props, however
->the only thing I got was the aquarium background with NO fish
->at all. Can someone tell me what is wrong? Thanks in advance.

I have a related question.  I found this same problem, and upon further invest-
igation found the "solution" documented in the AnswerBook CD.  The "solution"
outlined there eludes to an incomplete set of images and the missing pieces
can be found on the 1991 version of the Catalyst CD.  I have looked all through
that CD and I'll be *derned* if I can find any such missing fish!  :^)

Has anyone found these missing fish?

ADVthanksANCE

DER

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From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: Dumping OW and running X11R5(Was: Speed of Openwin 3)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 01:29:17 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec8.162033.19938@ncsu.edu>

In article <1992Dec8.162033.19938@ncsu.edu>
acb@Ziggy.csl.ncsu.edu (Andrew C. Burnette) writes:

|  [...]
|  But seriously, I have seen what other vendors bundle.  Have you taken a
|  spin in decwindows lately?  How about that thing HP calls X11?  I think OW3
|  is about on par, if not slightly better.  Of course, you don't have to use
|  it if you don't like it.

Hah!

I have a DEC Alpha/APX here running DECwindows, and the _subjective_ opinion
of all who've tried it is that it's SLOWER than my SUN-3/60 running X11R5 as
regards window re-arranging, etc.; this has also caused several to bemuse that
DEC should have named the system "Omega".  :-)

Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com, thad@cup.portal.com ]
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From: rthau@qualix.com (Rick Thau)
Subject: Re: PostScript filter
Reply-To: rthau@qualix.com
Organization: QUALiX Group, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:48:23 GMT

In article 20442@Princeton.EDU, bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
>In article <BILLD.92Dec21161647@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM> billd@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Bill D'Camp) writes:
>>I want to hang an Apple LaserWriter off of a SPARC 1.  Can someone
>>tell me where to find a PostScript filter which will convert output
>>for lpr, either public domain (ftpable) or commercial?
>
>enscript converts ascii text to PostScript and sends it to the printer
>(i.e., you don't need to use lpr at all, although you can redirect the
>output to a file and then print it.)  However, you should be able to
>directly print ascii text using lpr, without converting it to PostScript. 
>
>Barbara Vaughan

Barbara,

enscript is the command used to start the product Transcript. This is the Adobe
product to convert the text to Postscript, and drive a full range of Postscript
devices. The newest version is 4.0.  More complete info is available through the
mail server below.

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From: svb@svb.guug.de (Sebastian v. Bomhard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: Changing title bar of cmdtool
Date: 2 Jan 93 02:10:07 GMT
Organization: v. Bomhard Unternehmensberatung

In article <1992Dec30.045447.657@nuscc.nus.sg> fbaos@nuscc.nus.sg (Ozekici Suleyman (DR)) writes:
>
>Hello...
>	Is there an escape sequence to change the title bar of a cmdtool?
>(similar to that for xterm)

Yes, there is:

ESC ] l your-string-goes-here ESC \


Watch out: it doesn't start with CSI but with a closing bracket, then
an l (small L) and it ends wierd with <esc>\

If you use an L instead of the l you'll change the icon label.

HTH,

  -svb.

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From: st901745@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Alastair M. Bor)
Subject: S Plus
Reply-To: st901745@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:51:30 GMT

The company I work for is considering the purchase of a workstation
in the <$20,000 range. We will be primarily using a statistics package
called S-plus. At the moment we are using the DOS version on a 486/50
but its way to slow (ie: takes a whole weekend for some calcs.) 

Has anyone used S-Plus on a SparcStation 10? Any comments? Which
SparcStation would be best? Also, could someone recommend a
place to purchase one in the Boston area.

I know these are very broad questions, but I dont even know where to
begin. Perhaps another newsgroup would be better?

_ANY_ help would be appreciated....

thanx...

-Alastair Bor

st901745@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
From: petonic@hal.com (Michael A. Petonic)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: That's no security hole, that's my wife!
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:37:03 GMT
	<1992Dec20.103222.5141@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>
Reply-To: petonic@hal.com (Michael A. Petonic)
Followup-To: comp.sys.sun.apps
Organization: Henry's Laughing Gas Co., Inc.

In article <1992Dec20.103222.5141@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> earle@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Greg Earle - Gainfully Unemployed) writes:
>Yes, "Aviator" (TM) is too good to be a video game.  So they made it a
>security hole as well.
>
>What do you think of a program that needs to access /dev/nit to do
>multicasting (for Dogfight Mode), and instead of running setuid to root to
>open() /dev/nit and then doing a setreuid() back to the real user i.d. after
>doing so, it chmod's /dev/nit to mode 666 in the installation script?!?
>
>Your "Aviator" players who are happily dogfighting can then later on run
>"etherfind" or "tcpdump" or "snoop" and happily intercept passwords at will...

Disclaimer:  I don't have Aviator...  but regarding Greg's complaints:

While it's true that their installation procedure (at least, as described
above) is a little faulty, it's not much of an added risk to have
workstations run etherfind, tcpdump or whatever.  You can't guarantee
security on any lan which might have promiscious mode ethernet adaptors.
This includes a PC, or any Sniffer[tm]-like device.

-pet-
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From: wolf@merlin.mt.att.com (Thomas Wolf)
Subject: Re: Dumping OW and running X11R5(Was: Speed
Reply-To: wolf@merlin.mt.att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 12:54:13 GMT

In article 92Dec19221053@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu, pmurphy@nrao.edu (Pat Murphy) writes:
"> ""TP" == Thad Phetteplace x4461 <tdphette@mke.ab.com> writes:
"> "
"> "TP> I think all you need to do is copy your openwindows fonts into
"> "TP> your X11R5 font directory and rebuild your font database.  Check
"> "TP> out the man pages on xlsfonts and bldfamily.
"> "
"> "You can alternately add the OW fonts to your X server's font path with
"> "the "xset fp+" and related commands.  I run an X11R5 server, the tvtwm
"> "window manager, and with this command in the startup scripts all
"> "non-news OW applications seem to be happy.
"> "

OW used different font files than X11R4 (so the above wouldn't work).  Can the
X11R5 server read OW font files?

Just my $.02,
Tom


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