From: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Subject: Re: Gay Child Molesters (Re: Youth Info Needed)
Reply-To: ae642@yfn.ysu.edu (Kelley Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:02:06 GMT


In a previous article, roy@panix.com (Roy Radow) says:

>In <1992Dec17.194356.3018@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>
>>1. Even NAZIs have freedom of speech.
>
>>2. So does Mr. Radow.
>
>>3. Mr. Radow idea of "consent" includes sexual molestation of children.
>>   Mr. Radow seems to believe that consent can be gain by abuse of
>>   the trust of children -- i.e., "Hi little girl or little boy,
>>   want a lollipop?".
>
>>4. I normally would totally ignore such sick vermin, but, to be
>>   consistent (per the soc.motss & NAMBLA issues), I must add my
>>   two cents.
>
>
>>Tell me Mr. Radow, has NAMBLA ever disavowed it's slogan of
>>"sex before eight or it's too late"???
>
>>In any case Mr. Radow, obviously you need to steer well clear of any
>>children I know. Otherwise, you'll have a "consenual" relationship
>>with the end of my shotgun.
>
>>You have the right to SPEAK what you will. And to post and discuss.
>
>>But sex with children is inherently coercive, NO MATTER HOW MANY
>>LOLLIPOPS you offer. You are vile, your issues are vile, and I wish
>>a nasty death for you -- say, via rape by large Hell's Angels. Then maybe
>>you can get a whole new perspective in life.
>
>Dear Phil,
>
>    I applaud and join you in support of our Constitutional right 
>to freedom of speech, press and assemble.
>
>    Regarding the slogan "Sex by age eight or else it's too late!"
>This was the slogan of the Rene Guyon Society back in the 1970's.
>THIS IS NOT, NOR WAS IT EVER, A POSITION OF NAMBLA.
>
>    For many people the issue of youth sexuality is an emotional laden
>one which can transcend rational thought. NAMBLA does NOT say that ALL
>children should have sex with adults. We merely advocate that the law 
>should respect those individuals involved in such relationships and make 
>a distinction between mutually consensual beneficial relationships and
>coercive sexual assualt.
>


There can be NO "mutually concentual benefit" in a sexual relationship between
an adult and a child, PERIOD.  Perhaps the current age of consent law limits
are a little arbitrary, but I perfer this arbitrary limit to removing all
limits.

Children are not able, physically (before puberity), emotionally, or 
psychologically, to handle the responsibilities and pressures of a 
sexual relationship. (This is well documented, unlike many of the claims
made in this forum by those who would equate everything homosexual with
NAMBLA)

NAMBLA tries to make a big noise about, "Well, our effort is to see that
adults involved in concentual sexual relationships with children are not
persicuted for their actions".

Bull.  Nambla stands behind this "effort" in order to do one thing: to
allow them to molest children without having the threat of law hanging
over them.

Of course, the response will be, "But when the child concents to, or even
initiates, sexual action with an adult, why should the adult be held
responsible?"  Simply, if a child is concenting to sex, there is some
form of coersion at work (even if it is only the request), and if a child
is attempting to initiate sexual activity with an adult, that child needs
help.  For an adult to take advantage of such a situation makes that adult
in need of as much (if not more) help then the child does.

Mr. Radow, you can post your rhetoric all you want, and I fully support your
right to do so.

But I will fight any attempt by you, or the group you represent, to repeal 
age of concent laws, regardless of your stated purpose.  That is because the
end result, regardless of the reason, is that it will make it legal for 
adults to molest children, and whatever it is you want to call it, when
an adult has sex with a child, it is molestation.


  
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