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From: gregc@banach.WPI.EDU (Gregory M Charland)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mech ABS retrofit (ABS-TRAX)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:32:26 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <93780@rphroy.ph.gmr.com> rhaar@albert.cs.gmr.com writes:
>In article 53060095@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com, leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence LEONG) writes:
>|>I've just seen a mechanical ABS retrofit.  Its called "ABS-TRAX" and is
>|>supposed to be derived from aircraft systems.  Have you heard of it, and if
>|>so, any data-points or anecdotes?
>|>[stuff deleted]
>|>There is no speed sensor like the electronic versions.  Since this device 
>|>works on a principle similar to threshold braking (I think), it appears to
>|>be better than electronic ABS, no?
>No way can this beat an electronic ABS. It is really not an ABS system
>at all. What is does (if anything) is to limit the maximum hydraulic pressure
>in a braking circuit.
>
>Now brake force corresponds roughly with hydraulic pressure, but neither
>one has much to do with wheel lock up. 
>|>[stuff about threshold braking and that there's no way this could
work has been deleted]

    In some issues of the Four-Wheeler-type magazines that I've read,
a system that sounds similar to this has been discussed.
    The principle behind this particular device is that there is a
pressure change in the brake line when a wheel locks.  It simply acts
as a shock absorber-- when the wheel begins to lock up, the pressure in
the line changes, and the system backs off on that wheel until the
brake line pressure normalizes (and the wheel is rotating again).
     The main disadvantage is that instead of response/pulse times
measured in milliseconds, this takes hundredths-to-tenths.  The major
advantage is that it's a mechanical system (Something most 4WD'ers like),
relatively simple with no electronics to fail (as if mech. systems
can't fail!), and cost.
     One of the mags actually (I think) installed the system on a
truck.  (newer 4Runner, maybe?)  They seemed to think it worked pretty
well. 
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From: rick@posms.cactus.org (Rick Kirchhof)
Subject: Re: NOx, hydrogen, and zero emmissions
Organization: Department of Redundancy Dept., Austin
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:20:40 GMT

In article <By3Jrs.BL1@rahul.net> wilsont@rahul.net (Timothy Wilson) writes:
>First off, NOx is produced whenever there is combustion of any sort in 
>our atmosphere.
>
>You _do_not_ need to inject water into the cylinder... thats an old 1960-1970
>kludge to stop the engine from having the explosion in the intake tubes.
>it does nothing for emmisions, it saves the intake system if you are using
>something as stupid as a carbuerator. 
>
>Emmission control is through the fuel/air ratio. The ratio is so extreme, 
>( i forget which way) that there is a serious power loss.
>
>The japanese have a Z running on LH2, they inject it straight into the cylinder
>no need to heat it.
>
>Zero Emmisions: Its just that... ZERO. a zero emmission vehicle does not 
>have a tail pipe!
>I thought this was really stupid, but its true. (or so i was told by my
>energy professor)

[Remainder deleted]

Ozone is a magnificent thing to have in the upper atmosphere.  Prevents
excessive sunburns, increased cancer, etc.  It is also a major component
of air pollution when found in the lower atomsphere.  The EPA samples air
for Ozone in most major US cities.  Ozone numbers are frequently seen on 
the evening news in when speaking of air pollution.

Ozone is also manufactured in quantity by brush type (DC) electric 
motors.  Consult any physics text.  Electric cars _are not_ ZERO
emissions.

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From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Fast Japanese Sports Cars
Date: 23 Nov 1992 03:10:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
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In a previous article, thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle) says:

>In article <1emeq8INNjtp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>>
>>In a previous article, kiisaka@csi.uottawa.ca (Ken Iisaka the mad pianist)) says:
>>
>>>Oh, shut up and get a Honda NSX.  End of discussion.
>>                       ~~~~~~
>>Acura..
>>(yeah..i know, i know..couldn't let it slide though...:-)
>>(it being the slip up..i know referring to the closeness
>>of HONDA and Acura)
>
>Just because you live in the USA doesn't mean that everyone else does.
thank God!

>
>In NZ they are Honda NSXs, sold by Honda. 
>
>Possibly the same is true in Canada?

yes, and, according to one poster, this is true EVERYWHERE outside the US.
it was a joke, people..geez!  And, here, just for your information, they
are Acuras sold by Honda/Acura dealers(or at least, the ones i've seen
sell both "brands" of cars)  I KNOW that Honda=Acura. This is the reason
for the smilie. geez!
DREW
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From: mjarvi@vipunen.hut.fi (Mikko I J{rvi)
Subject: Re: Stick VS Auto.
Keywords: HOW STUPID CAN A MAN BE
Reply-To: mjarvi@vipunen.hut.fi (Mikko I J{rvi)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:06:35 GMT

    If a completely normal human doesnt learn how to drive whit stick in
 15 min. he/she is an IDIOT. So what is the problem in US of A ??
 
 P.S Am I the only one who is annoyed from the lack of engine brakeing while
     driveing automatic?
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From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Probe in the Snow?
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 16:05:12 GMT

mjc5@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael J. Cavotta) writes:

>	Anyone out there who has had any winter-weather experience with the
>93 Probe, could you please share any input as to the car's viability in
>inclement conditions.  I'm thinking about buying one, but am concerned
>about the stock tires and their all-season ability.

I would think the GT would be terrible in snow due to the wide tires.

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From: qazi8906@ee.uwm.edu (Aamir Qazi)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: LH manual?
Date: 24 Nov 1992 00:43:05 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Distribution: world
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I just drove a Chrysler Concorde this weekend.  It was 
equipped with the 3.5 liter 214 bhp motor and the Touring
suspension with Eagle GA tires.  This is a magnificent automobile,
and it is every bit as good as it looks.  Buy one and laugh and
point fingers at those who drive Camry V6's.  It was such a
great feeling to drive an affordable American car with such
thorough excellence!  Best of all, its build quality and materials
are every bit as good as the Japanese.  Be proud, America!
There is indeed hope for the American auto industry!

--Aamir Qazi
  mail to: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

>But..and a HUGE one from my standpoint, and, possible, others as well, is
>that i have never seen an advert for one with a stick. does anyone out there
>know if they come with the 214 motor, and a stick? or are you stuck with
>the auto, much like the Bonneville..beautiful car, no stick, T'bird takes 
>it! if the SHO doesn't!..just curious!
>DREW
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No, the LH is not available with a stick, but I would not want one in 
a car like this.  Save the manual transmissions for smaller, sportier
cars, not for large touring sedans.  

--Aamir Qazi
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:11:02 -0500 
From: Stephen James Kendrish <sk4k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Sub-frame Connectors

      Does anyone out there know if sub-frame connectors are made for
3rd generation F-body cars  (Trans Am in particular)?  If so, who sells
them?  Any help would be very appreciated.  Thanks.

Steve
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford lemons
Date: 24 Nov 1992 01:23:31 GMT
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202

philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun) writes:
>Of course every car company has to make a few lemons.  The question is
>"Do they hire ten engineers to fix the problem or 100 lawyers to
>litigate the unfortunate consumers into the ground?"

>Ford apparently prefers to hire lawyers.

Remember the Pinto -- it's cheaper to settle the lawsuits then to fix
the car.  (Unless you get caught, that is.)

jim frost
jimf@centerline.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ben@neti.arc.nasa.gov (Ben Chang)
Subject: Are new cars typically blemished?
Followup-To: rec.autos
Reply-To: ben@neti.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: RIACS, NASA Ames Research Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:28:25 GMT

    I recently purchased a new vehicle and had noticed that the paint,
some of the trim, and the rear bumper had spots similar to water spots.
I took the car back to the dealer to ask them what caused the spots.
They ended up having to take the car to a body shop to have some of
the spots sanded and refinished.  Is this common?

    I feel the car has depreciated a lot more than normal.  Should I
demand monetary compensation, another car (haven't brought them the
balance of the payment yet, this car is BRAND new), or something else?

Pissed Off
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: G20 vs. Altima, Fast vs. Slow
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:16:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.212021.5422@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1e2afgINNghh@agate.berkeley.edu> shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu
>(David S. Shy) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov14.053235.16877@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>Why would someone want to buy the Altima when he/she could buy the
>>>G20 for about the same price?
>>I wouldn't know...
>
>While I'm on the topic, I think that the same argument applies to
>the Acura Integra Coupe vs. Honda Civic Coupe and
>    Acura Integra 4 door vs. Honda Civic 4 door
>
>One of the reasons for Nissan's smaller slice of the American 
>auto market is that it's marketing and advertising are really very
>bad.  Anyone see the "Bob's Sales Event" ad run by Nissan?  Yuck.
>On top of that the dealerships are chock full of unprofessional looking
>sales people.  Just look in a Toyota dealership.  You'll see everyone
>wearing a suit and tie, well almost everyone.
>
sales-scum=sales-scum regardless of the clothing...come on...are people
really such morons as to only buy a car from someone in a 'suit'???
i buy the car because of it's qualities and the whole dealership bit is just
a necessary evil.



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From: danj@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (Dan Jackson)
Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:32:55 GMT

From article <1992Nov19.020843.4524@attila.weitek.COM>, by ehsan@attila.weitek.COM (Ehsan Kalami):
> 
> hi, I am sure a lot of people have a similar problem. Where can one buy
> blocks of cement/concrete so that we know how far to drive a car into
> garage. similar to one found in parking lots?
> thanks.

How about this:
Take a piece of string about 8 feet long.  On one end of the string,
attach a rubber ball.  Attach the other end to the ceiling of the garage.
Place it on the ceiling so that when you pull in to the garage, the
ball will hit the windshiled of your car.  Then you will know to stop.
You can get VERY close to the wall this way.
Enjoy.


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From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:00:36 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) writes:

>here's a crazy trick i have learned...as i drive into the garage i look out
>thru the windshield at the wall and the front of the car and i *stop* before
> the front of the car gets to the wall.  may sound weird...but try it...it 
>really works!

That does, indeed, sound like a crazy trick.  Since my eyes are firmly
attached to my face, I find it very difficult to look at the front of the
car without getting out of the car and moving to a position where I am
facing the car.  Is the wall of your garage mirrored, or do you have eyes
which can float about freely?  Or is this perhaps an out-of-body experience?

[Tongue firmly in cheek]

-Shag

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From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: RFI:Thermal Breakdown of PTFE products.
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:28:04 GMT

   I can't recall where I read this but I'm hoping that someone out there
can verify this. The PTFE oil products will thermally decompose at temps
over 600 degrees f (combustion chamber/ring lands/valve guide areas prone
to such tempertatures). This generates nasty stuff the worst being Hydrofluoric
Acid. Can anyone confirm this?

Kris



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From: bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser)
Subject: Re: Whining about buying American cars
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:55:37 GMT

dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:
>mshar@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike Mshar) writes:
>>c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>>>And your flag display is not patriotic, right?

>> Well, you know, any chance to knock the USA is fair game.
>> We are the only super-power left in the world, any chance to make it or its
>> inhabitants look bad is a welcome oppurtunity.
>> We may not be perfect, but we must be doing something right, to be where we
>> are!!!

>Oh christ!  Take a vallium.  You've been in front of that screen for too long.
>Read my lips :
>  "If I wanted to bash the U.S. I would have put a U.S. flag upside down."
>Are there no baseball fans out there?!?!?

What?  Risk missing something in rec.autos?  Outside world?  What's that?
I knew what the upside-down flag was for.  It's Fall, and the the leaves
are falling off the trees (downward) signaling the end of baseball season,
right?

big :^)   Go Bucs in '93!  (Fourth time's a charm!)

Regards,

Brian

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From: ujmli@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: WANTED: Honda Mailing list
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:34:25 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Nov22.160034.25264@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, jkaegi@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (John Kaegi) writes:
> Just need the address for the mailing list.
> thanks,
>  john
> jkaegi@gmuvax2.gmu.edu



Listserv@brownvm.bitnet
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Jason
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com (Vikas Sontakke)
Subject: Re: How to prevent windshield washer fluid from freezing on the windshield
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:47:58 GMT


In article <BxLwwv.GuI@ssesco.com>, nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes...
>sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com (Vikas Sontakke) says:
>>
>>Is there something that I can add to the fluid to make sure it does not freeze
>>when I spray it on the glass?
> 
>I live in MN and have never had a problem.  It's been 30F below zero and the
>windshield washer fluid is just fine.  Cold as hell (stuck my hand in it
>at 25 below once.  Don't do that!), but fine.  If you're having trouble,
>make sure that you don't buy the duluted stuff.  A common brand around
>here is Splash.  It's duluted and proably shouldn't be used if you're worried.
> 
>-- 
>William R. Nau

The subject line says "freezes on the windshield" i.e. it does NOT freeze unless
I sprary it the windshield and when I clean the windshield, it instantly forms
frozen film with zero visibility.  This happens when the windshield is not yet
warmed up through the defogger because the engine has been just started in the
morning.  I am NOT diluting the fluid.

Someone suggested that I add coolant antifreeze to my fluid!  I would rather use
brake oil to clean my paint, (NOT!!).

I live in NH too and if you know any better brands of windshield fluids which I
can squirt on the glass and not have to wait for 5 minutes of warm-up in the
morning, please let me know.

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From: marks@ssdevo.enet.dec.com (Randy Marks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: HOW TO AVOID HITTING THE WALL IN GARAGE
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:33:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Colorado Springs


In article <1992Nov19.210855.18497@engage.pko.dec.com>, sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com (Vikas Sontakke) writes...
> 
>Just pick up few feet of a scrap 2X4, and lay it in front of the front wheel.
>Also mark its position on the sidewall, in case the 2X4 moves.  If it is long
>enough and if you approach your car slowly, it won't move at all.

You can make this even more robust by cutting 2 more pieces of 2x4 and
attaching them perpendicular to the piece you mention above.
The 2 additional pieces are cut such that they position the 'stopper'
2x4 a precise distance from the garage wall.

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From: mjarvi@vipunen.hut.fi (Mikko I J{rvi)
Subject: Re: shoud there be two different licences
Reply-To: mjarvi@vipunen.hut.fi (Mikko I J{rvi)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 08:25:46 GMT


In article 7090@wam.umd.edu, jailbird@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (serial killer) writes:
##
##
##
##Hey people,
##
##What do you  think about this
##
##Should we have a one licence to operate a manual transmisssion and one for  
##automatic, ecept if you know how to drive a mnual you can drive a auto  
 
!! bits deleted...

we do have two classes of licence in the uk :-)
           ~~~~~~~~~~~~ 
 ....and also in Finland. If you drive your licence with manual you can 
     drive automatic, but not the other way round.(Automatics are for disabled
     people in my IMHO!)

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From: mizutant.fred.wharton.upenn.edu (Taka Mizutani)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: test
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:20:39 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

This is a test. Please ignore.
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: $10K Sport Sedan
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:13:41 GMT

In article <sf3iKge00WBMA5DFU8@andrew.cmu.edu> "Andreas G. Yankopolus" <ay0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I have about $10,000 to spend and am looking for a sport sedan (Jetta
>GLI, Protege', etc..).  Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks.
>
>
	A new Jetta GLI would be out of the question, unless you were thinking
about 15K.  How about a Sentra SE-R, Saturn SL2, Tracer LTS or Escort LXE?  All
are good cars, with the SE-R being the ferrari of the group.  It only has two
doors, but who cares?  Unless you do....  Just some suggestions..

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