From: mstern@wam.umd.edu (Michael Stern)
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:49:35 GMT

In article <46250@unlisys.in-berlin.de> stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl) writes:
>mstern@wam.umd.edu (Michael Stern) writes:
>
>>	
>>True, but the German masses bought the Nazi explanations for all the ills
>>that plagued Germany at that time.  They apparently felt that sacrificing
>>the Jews for the glories of a Greater Fatherland was acceptable.  For that
>>they shall never be forgiven.  It remains yet to be seem whether their 
>>children have learned anything from their recent history.  Judging by the
>>re-emergence of the Nazi youth movement, the skinheads, and the Nazi 
>>rockers, the answer at this time is NO!
>Unfortunality you are right. But isn't it a fact that people in general
>(doesn't matter in which country they live) tend to blame their 
>problems to a weaker minority. It's a psychological fact that people
>try to find reasons for their mistakes or problems not by themselves,but
>by other persons or special circumstances.
>So if you say that the germans should never be forgiven that they
>thought the jews had the responsibility for their problems
>the americans (for example) shouldn't never be forgiven that
>there was a time where they thought the newcomers from europe
>were responsible for their problems or that they thought whites were
>better than blacks.

To a certain extent that is true.  I would imagine that the blacks of
today have a hard time forgiving the whites for the crimes that were
once perpertrated on them.  However, the majority of whites in the US
have given up those outdated views, whereas a significant proportion of
the Germans still favour the Nazi ideas.
A
A
 In fact then no country in the world could have
>been forgiven then.
>Judging the question if the youth has learned from it by looking
>to the skins is just judging america by looking on the Ku-Klux-Klan.
>Many germans have problems to understand and accept different
>cultures like americans have problems to understand and accept 
>the culture of the foreigners who come to their land and like
>many people from israel have problems to understand and accept
>arab culture. art
>The biggest part who has sympathies to the right wingers is just afraid for 
>their jobs and their existence. I wouldn't call them rasistic, just egoistic.
>That is no excuse, but trying to out that people would not solve
>the problem.

Does it surprise you that people who were once subject to mass
extermination (that is Jews) still hold a grudge against the 
former exterminators (that be the Germans), some of which have
led a comfortable existance in post-WW2 Germanies.  When I was 
a child my grandfather used to tell me bedtime stories of how 
he and a band of Russian partisans would fight the German 
occupants by blowing up the tracks on which trains carrying the
Jews condemned to death camps would travel.  What do former 
German soldiers tell their grandchildren - how they would torture
and rape Jewish women maybe?  Or maybe about how they would tear
the newborn Jewish babies limb from limb in front of their 
mothers?  Nice legacy.
>
>Bye,
>  Christian
>n
>-- 
>"Die Demokratie ist ein Verfahren, das garantiert, dass wir nicht
> besser regiert werden, als wir es verdienen."
>- G. B. Shaw
>Christian Lampl - stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de - aka Ray at the IRC


Michael Stern	mstern@wam.umd.edu	UMCP...USDA-ARS