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From: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: gannon
Reply-To: vxb8773@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:52:17 GMT

i like the way dennis green made a firm decision when making the QB change,
but i did not agree with it. gannon is a better QB than salsibury. 
gannon would have matched up much better than "sals-steak" when the vikes
played the eagles. gannon can run just as well as cunningham. by taking
gannon out, gannon has lost his confidence. i have not heard of any 
changes this week, so i assume gannon will start. i hope the staff worked
with him this week. when he is on, he can be a good QB. here is my
feeling for the rest of the season:

gannon will start no matter what (unlessed injured)
salsibury can come in relief in the second half if needed because the 
vikes defense should keep the game close.

						vinnie
						a nervous viking fan
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:30:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Team Rankings by points
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:34:23 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York



i went back and looked... 

their offense is 8th and defense is #1 with the normalization...
however this is incomplete because the other teams defensive
touchdowns are not accounted for in their rankings... nor are the
points scored on offensive fumbles and interceptions returned for
touchdowns and/or safeties accounted for either... anyone have the
info and want to re-compute the appropriate scores?

jason
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: The Saints Ain't
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:15:44 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell

FINAL: Saints 16  Bills  20

Well, the Saints and Hebert proved again they cannot
win the pressure games. Kudos to rolling, rumbling
Thurman Thomas and Company. If anyone wants a rundown,
long of this game, send an e-mail. 

Great D's on both sides of the ball, the difference
was Thomas for the Bills. He ran, cut, broke tackles,
and did the same after catching the ball.  Don't get 
me wrong, I would have loved to have seen the Saints knock
the Bills down, but give credit where credit is due.
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From: awhitton@bnr.ca (Alan Whitton)
Subject: Re: Gannon's stupidity costs the Vikes.
Reply-To: awhitton@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research, Ottawa
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:47:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.015829.2022@dracut.keps.com>, sue@dracut.keps.com (Sue Klimowicz) writes:
|> 
|>    Even though I am a Gannon fan I have to say that he absolutely suck in
|> the 49ers game. However I am not willing to blame that totally on the QB.
|> He was playing well before he was pulled during the Cleveland game. And
|> it was apparent during the 49er game that he had totally lost his
|> confidence. Controversial statement to follow:

(...)
|>     Gannon has alot of potential his stats show it but I think Green made
|> a very poor decision to pull Gannon and as a result may have ruin a good QB.
|> Yes, I know I will get flames on this but has anyone seen ANY improvement
|> in the offense. Looks like they are moving backward. 

AMEN, from the choir! Gannon has shown sparks of brilliance and real
leadership (don't remember anyone saying he sucked when they came back
against the Bears :-). Gannon needs some help, and I don't think he's
going to improve this year (yes, this means the Steak man may be back).
He needs a good mentor (a lot of the "great" quarterbacks have had mentors
coach them, Kelly had Marchibroda in Buffalo, Elway had one too, 
forgot his name though, etc.,).

Minnesota may well "...throw the baby out with the bathwater..." but 
Gannon should flurish somewhere (IMHO) if given the right opportunities.

Christmas Cheers,
Alan Whitton
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From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Why do the 49ers get to play by different rules???!!!
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 20:31:56 GMT

jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:

>It is now early 2nd half in the 49ers-Vikes game and I'm about to rip the TV
>set from the wall.  First, we need a QB!  Is there any chance that we'll
>be able to draft a decent one?  We do get draft picks this year, right?
>Second, I haven't really paid much attention to all of the complaints about
>the favoritism shown to the 49ers by the officials, but this is unbelievable!
>Let me make it clear, I am not blaming what looks like a possible loss for
>the Vikes solely on the officiating... the 49ers offense has played great so
>far... I'm just *sick* of these calls, and I have to let out the frustration.
>
>OK, take the 49ers possession right at the start of the 2nd quarter... the 
>Vikes come up with a huge sack on Steve Young, they're going to stop them
>from getting a TD after they were inside the 20, and they've even pushed them
>possibly out of FG range, right?  Wrong... enter the zebras... a mysterious
>personal foul which no one saw, including the announcers, (and we get no
>replay of course) which gives the 49ers a first down near the 10, leading to
>a TD.  This play could have changed the whole game around.  The Vikes were
>up 7-3 and had just come up with a *huge* defensive play, but no, this is the
>49ers, and we can't have them falling behind for too long, so the officials
>bail them out.  Where was the penalty???
>
>Next, late in the quarter Terry Allen is stopped just short of a first down
>near his own 30 with a little less than 2 minutes left.  Some big a**hole
>49er defensive player first holds Allens legs up in the air for several 
>seconds not allowing him to get up, then after he does, he shouts in Allen's
>face for several more seconds taunting him.  Allen NEVER DOES ANYTHING... he
>says like 2 words to the guy, NEVER MOVES TOWARD HIM, NEVER TOUCHES HIM, 
>NOTHING!  What happens?  The zebras, realizing that the 49ers will get great
>field position if they back up the Vikes, FLAG *ALLEN* for a 15-yd personal
>foul!!!  What the *HELL* was that???!!!  
>
>What are you supposed to do???!!!  It's really tough to get fired up again
>after the officials bail out the other team and give them a great shot at
>a TD that SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED, and then pull this crap with Allen!.
>
>I won't even get into the countless holding plays by 49ers tackles that go 
>unnoticed by the officials, while great Roger Craig runs get called back for
>holding that we never saw.
>
>Well, I'll stop now to watch the rest of the game.  Go ahead and flame away,
>frankly I don't care at this point, nothing is going to make this any worse.

Can you say "Sour Grapes"?

>Jim 
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>jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
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    --mack

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From: billc@Ingres.COM (Bill Coffin)
Subject: Re: Call against the Vikes
Reply-To: billc@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, An ASK Company, Alameda CA
Distribution: usa
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:07:20 GMT

In article <101891@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>
>During he 49ers/Vikes games as Terry Allen was rushing for a possible first 
>down, he was stopped short and a 9ers defensive lineman grabbed him by the
>legs and lifted him up.  Flags flew.  The foul was against ... Terry Allen??
>
>Did anyone else see this?  Did Allen do anything that warranted a foul??

Yes.  I thought the slo-mo replay was pretty clear, but the
announcing team (one of the worst, IMHO) didn't spot it.  Terry Allen
launched a kick to the groin of his tackler as soon as said tackler
let go of his legs.  Note that there were no visible protests from
the Vikings on this call, which is often a clue that the call is
good.

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Subject: Re: Dominant Teams of the Nineties
From: dmclelan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:15:43 CST
 <1992Dec16.142242.25983@doug.cae.wisc.edu> <102354@netnews.upenn.edu> <102355@netnews.upenn.edu>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <102355@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
> 
> Here's who I see dominating over the next decade:
> 
> Cowboys- they're young and talented.  Very little holes to fill.
> Steelers- they need some help at WR, maybe another pass rusher but otherwise
> 	  should be strong for a while.
> San Fran- so what else is new?
> Minnesota- some help on the O line, a decent QB and they're set.
> Packers- another WR to compliment Sharpe, some help with the O line.
> 
> This doesn't include major overhauls resulting from coaching changes (like
> with the case of the Vikings this year).
> 
> Anyone like to add to this?
> 
> 
> satish nair
> giants (5-11 in '92)
      Kansas City-  They now have a decent QB that they can use until they 
  Get a younger one.  Their D is one of the best.  The Turnover ratio is
about a +20 this season (how many teams can claim this?)  Even if they are not
a Dominate team they still will de a team that you can't look past
Darin 
Go Chiefs

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From: sue@dracut.keps.com (Sue Klimowicz)
Subject: Re: Vikings + Gannon = Suck! 
Originator: sue@dracut
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:18:23 GMT

In article <Bz9GwG.1D4@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> mtw8527@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Mike Wallach) writes:
> After watching another pathetic performance by Gannon I was
> wondering, has there been any talk of the Vikings signing
> one of the available free agent QB's or if they're looking
> to draft a talented QB?  Sure Gannon can scramble but
> that's about it.  If Rich Gannon is the Vikes QB of the
> future, they have no future.

Don't blame Gannon for bad play calls. His game sucked agianst the 49ers
but he has good stats.
 
> As a diehard Vikings fan, it has always mystified me, no
> matter who the owners are, that the Vikings have this mindset
> about selecting second-rate, minor star quarterbacks in the
> draft and try to convince the fans they are chocked full of
> potential (Kramer, Wilson, Gannon, etc)  Tark was the only
> legitimate star QB the Vikes have had.

Doesn't this make you wonder that maybe the problem is with the overall
Offense philosophy. Wilson gets out of there and he throws for 5 TDs.
I think the Vikings have been doing an excellent job of distroying the
careers of good QBs.
From: drune@red1.acpub.duke.edu (Dain Runestad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Broncos/playoff chances/help?
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:57:30 GMT
Reply-To: drune@red1.acpub.duke.edu (Dain Runestad)


In article <Dec.14.16.12.20.1992.14992@pilot.njin.net>, gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes:
|> 
|> Questino for you all.
|> 
|> I'm a broncos fan.  play along with my scenario for a minute....
|> 
|> buffalo and miami, pittsburgh, and san diego all win divisions; one
|>  of the first two doesn't, but makes the playoffs as a wild card, 
|> leaving two spots open.
|> 
|> denver wins the last 2 games, against seattle and k.c.  
|> 
|> now, what are denver's chances?  as in, what i do want to hope for?
|>  if k.c. loses to the giants, and houston wins their last two, then
|>  i want no one else to tie with k.c. and the broncos, since denver
|>  would win the tiebreaker.  does anyone know what other situations
|>  i want?
|> 
|> all assumptions are based on denver winning their last 2.  thanks -
|> bob gaj
|> 


	What you'd really want would be for S.D. to lose their last 2 and K.C.
to lose @ NY [not TOO impossible since all games are on the road], in which case
Denver would win the AFC West by virtue of being clobbered by all the NFC teams.
You'd also be hoping for Houston to lose both games, in which case Denver would
be in as a WC regardless of what KC or SD do.  Actually, since Denver beat
Houston, the Broncos would make it in with with Houston @ 9-7 assuming Cleveland
and Indianapolis aren't.  Maybe even then, but I don't have the schedules on me
now.  Confusing, eh?
From: walid@ucrstat4.ucr.edu (walid al-sabah)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Roger Craig on George Seifert
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:43:12 GMT
Organization: University of California, Riverside

From the L.A. Times of Thursday 12/17/92


	Overrated? Even though San Francisco  49er Coach George   Seifert
	has a 54-3 record, including a Super Bowl victory in 1990, former
	running back  Roger  Craig  isn't that impressed  with  Seifert's
	accomplishments.   "Look  at  him  with the talent he has," Craig
	told the  San Francisco Chronicle. "Anybody can step in and do  a
	good  job  in that system. It's not like he created  this big era
	of what they're [49ers] doing. Bill  Walsh did that a  long  time
	ago."
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Subject: Re: 15th Week Finals
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:14:45 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Dec14.095936.29444@a.cs.okstate.edu>, saeed@a.cs.okstate.edu (SAEED FAISEL) writes:
>So what is the current position for playoffs ?
>I mean who has got it and who still has the chance if ...
>
>Also, as long as we are on the subject, how do they select the
>teams to go into playoffs ?
>

Here are the remaining schedules for the teams who are still in the playoff
hunt (in no particular order).
Divisional records are in ().
*'d games are between two teams who are both in playoff contention.

NFC:
Dallas			Philadelphia		Washington
10-4(6-2)		9-5(4-2)		9-5(4-3)
------			------------		--------
@ATL			WAS*			@PHI*
CHI			NYG			RAI*

Minnesota		Green Bay
9-5(6-1)		8-6(4-3)
---------		---------
@PIT*			RAM
GB*			@MIN*

San Francisco		New Orleans
12-2(6-0)		11-3(4-2)
-------------		-----------
TB			BUF*
DET			@NYJ

AFC:
Buffalo			Miami			Ind
10-4(5-3)		8-5(3-3)		7-7(5-3)
-------			------			----
			RAI*			
@NO*			NYJ			PHO
@HOU*			@NE			@CIN

Pittsburgh		Cleveland		Houston
10-4(4-1)		7-7(3-1)		8-6(2-3)
----------		---------		-------
MIN*			HOU*			@CLE*
CLE*			@PIT*			BUF*

Kansas City		San Diego               Denver		Raiders
9-5(5-2)		9-5(3-3)                7-7(3-3)	6-7(4-3)
-----------		---------               ------		-------
								@MIA*
@NYG			@RAI*                   SEA		SD*
DEN*			@SEA                    @KC*		@WAS*
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Subject: Joe who? was(re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
From: dmclelan@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:33:18 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <1992Dec12.230017.10030@Princeton.EDU>, hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan) writes:
> In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>>
>>
>>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>>
> 
> Joe who ?
> 
> :-) 
> -- 
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> Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
> Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)

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From: dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle)
Subject: Re: all SB winner
Organization: Computer Science - Bowling Green State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:37:29 GMT

In regard to the SuperBowl winners who won the first time
and then did not lose after that.

This post raises a very interesting point.
I think that it says a lot about the quality
of the coaching of the teams.

Some coaches have the ability to instill confidence in their
players at just the right moment.  And some coaches know
how to pick other players who posess this ability also.

Marino, Ronnie Lott, Elway and their are others.  But these
fellows have that unreal confidence and all are students of the game
 that counts when the game
is one the line.  Unfortunately for the Broncos this did not
help them in the SB.

I think the main key to winning Championships is having a great
defense.  That can continually hold the opposing team back.
With this list of teams that are undefeated in the SuperBowl
Defensive greatness is unquestionably a common trait for each team.

With these thoughts in mind.  I look for the Dolphins to start
to play very well.  Shula is way too smart.  Steelers need some growth
should be interesting to see how must confidence Cowher can instill in his
team this week.  A real test of his coaching ability.  Bill Parcells
was very correct in saying that some teams need to go through that
process of losing to build their confidence the correct way.

I have not seen the 49ers play too much this season, but I think 
that they will take the NFC.

One other thought.  It seems like the Steelers leader is Rod Woodson.
He gets burned in GreenBay and Steelers don't play well.  He fumbles
the opening kickoff against the Bears and from then on the Steelers are
downhill.  I understand a lot of other variables enter into this situation
some are dropped passes, #1 QB being out ect.  However when certain
players whom others look up too tend to be unmotivated look what happens.

Any other comments & thought are welcome.

Don
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 10:40:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)