From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
Newsgroups: alt.individualism
Subject: Re: Environmentalism is not Anti-Individualism
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:53:26 GMT
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO

In article <83004@ut-emx.uucp> wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Patrick Chester) writes:
>In article <1992Oct31.154951.15662@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> c3q@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>=
>=It's amazing that some people can "cloak" themselves in science and fail to
>=see the world crumbling around them. What does it take to inject a sense      
>
>What do you have against science? 

There is much that scientists can't figure out.  I can't be depended on
to decide all issues.
>
>=of urgency into this country about the environment and our world?  Do we
>=have to tear a hole in the sky before we wake up? 
>=
>=	Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines put over a thousand times the 
>=	ozone-destroying chemicals into the air in one eruption than humans
>=	have in the entire tenure on this planet.  The result is expected to
>=	be a 4-6% drop in ozone levels.  This has been happening since the 
>=	Earth first had ozone.  Why is it still here? BECAUSE IT IS  
>=	CONSTANTLY BEING CREATED ANEW!

This is absurd.  Pinatubo put almost no ozone-destroying chemicals into
the stratosphere, where the ozone layer is.  Got any references to back
this up?
>
>Mt. Erebus (sp?) in Antartica has been active lately. It may have contributed 
>to the ozone hole down there.
>
No, its not emplosive enough.  The Cl it releases never makes it to the
stratosphere.
>=
>=
>=Well, we've done it. Do we wish to watch the great seas rise, inundate our 
>=coastlines, and disrupt agricultural paterns through global warming? Well, 
>=we're doing it. 
>=
>=	1)      All of the global warming predictions are based on less than
>=	100 yrs. of data.  Interestingly enough, temperatures have been 
>=	climbing slower (and, according to some reports, declining) over the
>=	last 40 yr.s than they had over the previous 50, DESPITE the fact that
>=	the majority of industrialisation has occurred during that period.

Most global warmining predictions _from scientists_ depened NEITHER on
the records OR models.  They depend on simple radiative balance
equations.
>=
>=	2)      The seas have risen and fallen multiple times over the history            
>=	of the planet.  So what if they go up 10 ft.?  New York and Sicily may 
>=	have to build dikes.  Or are you in favor of preserving the exact 
>=	condition of the planet, as some kind of park?  I thought the ecosystem 
>=	was dynamic and changing?

Normally they change very slowly.  If the sea rises 10 ft in the next few
decades the cost will be enormous to protect coastal cities.
>=
>=Do we have to see the great Rhine River run with a current of death caused by 
>=a dangerous pesticide spill? 
>=
>=	Should we not use pesticides?  I'm sure we could feed the entire 
>=	population of the planet with 15th century farming techniques...NOT.

There are _new_ farming techniques that don't use pesticides OR 15th
century methods.
>
>
>=
>=Sam Gentile                             Aho Mitakuye Oyasin    67              
>=8
>= 
>=
>=	--------------------------------------------------------------------
>=	|  Travis J.I. Corcoran
>=	|  tcorcora@sunlab.cit.cornell.edu
>=	|  
>=	|  "Two [Kennedys] were shot, but under the most romantic 
>=	|  circumstances and not, as might have been hoped, after due process 
>=	|  of law."
>=	|  
>=	|          _Give War a Chance_
>=	|          P.J. O'Rourke
>=	--------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>If the views expressed by Sam here become dominant and we lose our high-tech
>civilization, I hope a comet *does* hit our planet and put us out of our
>misery in 2116. I finish on that cheerful note.
>
>  
>-- 
>Patrick Chester            |----------------------------------------------------
>wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |"The earth is too fragile a basket in which to keep
>Politically Incorrect      |  all your eggs." Robert A. Heinlein
>Future Lunar Colonist      |"The meek shall inherit the Earth. The rest of us
>#^%$!! Militarist          |  are going to the stars." Anonymous
>(Of the Sun Tzu mentality) |----------------------------------------------------


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		dingo in boulder	(dean@vexcel.com)