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From: klumppp@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Well, it's sort of a guitar
Date: 21 Nov 92 02:36:41 GMT
Reply-To: klumppp@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

Hi there, I'm sure there is a better place to post this, but I have yet to
find it, so...  I am desparately searching for a new, or used lute, or
the name of the newsgroup that might have said lute.  Any help would be
greatly appreciated  :)

A man without a lute is like a fish without a CD player.  Sure it can survive
but it's just not as much fun!

Perrin Klumpp,  KLUMPPP@OAK.UFL.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: kurt@ods.com (Kurt Taylor)
Subject: Re: Small Tube Amp
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:42:46 GMT

Tom R. Peterson (consultant) (trp@gtech.com) wrote:
: I would appreciate suggestions for a small tube amp, along with
: suggested price.  Under consideration are:  Mesa .22, Fender Princeton, 
: Gibson Scout, ???.  Also, how do people FIND older amps without paying
: $400+?  I have this fantasy of hundreds of amps sitting in attics and
: basements waiting to be sold at yard sales for $15.  Should I just 
: smell the coffee and spend $500 for a Fender at my local store?
: 

Well, it can be done. I just bought a 60's Gibson Falcon (6v6 power tubes
just like a Vox) for $30.00. :')

Don't expect it to happen often/soon. But keep looking.

 - KT

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From: bud@megatek.com (Wayne Francis)
Subject: Re: Magna-28 ...
Reply-To: bud@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:48:29 GMT

In article <Bxx5sn.JL2@newcastle.ac.uk> R.T.Wieckowski@newcastle.ac.uk (River Johnson) writes:
>
>
>I did it !!! I did it !!! I actually went out and bought it ...
>
>An Aria "MAGNA 28" Deep Burgundy/Red Sunburst to Black ...
>2 single coils, Humbucker ...
>Rosewood fretboard ...
>Floyd Rose Trem ...
>Lush !!!
>
>
>'cept I have less than no money ...
>
>         ... but hey, it was worth it !!!
>
>
>In tune with 'dem blues',
>RIV.

So make your point!!

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: jason@fc.sde.hp.com (Jason Goldman)
Subject: Re: Improvisational focus (WAS: Re: Blues Soloing [help!])
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:54:59 GMT

I second Richard's comments (Hi!).  I had this epiphany at a jam night a
long time ago.  I had been playing some blues and I had seen some other
guy playing some really hot jazzy leads.  Later, we were sitting up at
the bar talking and I complemented his chops.  He told me that he was real
impressed with MY playing.  In fact, he called me a "master of the minor
pentatonic."  It turns out that, while he knew the notes, he felt too
limited playing that mode, so he thought he sucked.  Yeah, I didn't believe
it either;-).

Seriously, any player can learn something from any other player, regardless
of ability.  I think if you get out and play, you'll gain the confidence
you need.


Also:  play as close to edge as you can, you'll often surprise yourself.

Jason
jason@gibson.sde.hp.com
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: snewman@ccu.umanitoba.ca (S. Newman)
Subject: shipping to Canada
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:08:32 GMT

Can anyone tell me if Warmoth or any such company ships stuff to
Canada? Thanks in advance.

-- 
"My driving philosophy about music is that you can reduce it all
down to one note if that note is played with the right kind of
feeling and with right kind of sincerity."--Eric Clapton
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: andyb@andyb.mentorg.com (Andy Bishop)
Subject: Re: Rosewood vs Maple
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:36:43 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <1992Nov20.020701.24226@microsoft.com>, erikm@microsoft.com (Erik Madsen) writes:
|> Hi -
|> 
|> I've just recently entered the world of Strats.  I guess a bad one or two
|> kept me away from them for years, but I've had some really great experiences
|> with them lately.  Right now I'd like to buy one of the Fender reissue
|> models, but something keeps cropping up: the difference between a maple
|> neck and a rosewood neck.  I've called several guitar stores around the
|> country, and it seems that 57 reissues seem a little easier to come by.
|> The 62 reissues seem a little harder to find.
|> 
|> Can any of you strat players tell me why you might prefer one neck to the
|> other?  Also, from what I've seen, the 62 models have a thinner neck than
|> the 57 ones.  Is this true?  Why do you prefer one to the other?
|> As far as the type of wood is concerned, is this something I shouldn't let
|> bother me too much at this point in the game?
|> 
Maple fingerboards tend to be brighter sounding, with Rosewood fingerboards
being warmer.  Yes the '62 has a thinner neck, the '57 is closer to what is
called a "boatneck" because it has a deeper "V" and *looks* like a boat.
Maple fingerboards from Fender are always finished with a lacquer, whereas 
Rosewood fingerboards are almost always left "raw" and unfinished.

Basically, its a sound difference between the two different kinds of wood.  I've
owned both...I'll take a couple of each....

|> Someone told me a few days ago that once I get into the Strat world there
|> won't be much hope for coming back to my Les Paul...

This is so true...and you'll appreciate the lack of a dent in your shoulder
from the lightweight Strat!

|> 
|> thanks!
|> Erik
|> 
|> 

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Newsgroups: alt.guitar,
From: plyall@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Pete Lyall)
Subject: Re: bagbiting hotrails
Organization: U S WEST Information Technologies
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:11:46 GMT

In article <92318.185453AUJGH@ASUACAD.BITNET> <AUJGH@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>i replaced one of my single coil pickups in my strat with a DiMarzio
>"Hotrails" 

Hmmm... to my knowledge, only Seymour Duncan produces "Hot Rails".
It's probably their trademark.

Also - If your E string is too far away, then your bridge curvature
is not setup properly. The bridge saddles are meant to be setup in an
arc fashion to correspond to the radius of the neck.

I'm a long time Hot Rail user (two strats & 3 Hot Rails), and I can
assure you I have no problem getting adequate output (whatsoever)!

Pete


-- 
Pete Lyall [USWest]        Compuserve: 76703,4230   Internet: plyall@uswest.com
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I'm glad I had to wait a while, A little bit too juvenile,     |Sweet Potato Pie
I needed to refine my style, A silk suit and a crocodile smile!| James Taylor
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: trp@gtech.com (Tom R. Peterson (consultant))
Subject: Small Tube Amp
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:14:27 GMT

I would appreciate suggestions for a small tube amp, along with
suggested price.  Under consideration are:  Mesa .22, Fender Princeton, 
Gibson Scout, ???.  Also, how do people FIND older amps without paying
$400+?  I have this fantasy of hundreds of amps sitting in attics and
basements waiting to be sold at yard sales for $15.  Should I just 
smell the coffee and spend $500 for a Fender at my local store?

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: fprince@cwis.unomaha.edu (Frank E. Prince)
Subject: Re: Any opions on the Roland GR-1
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:03:15 GMT

parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  writes:
> I saw a roland GR-1 demonstrated last friday and I was quite stunned at what
> it could do. Does anyone have any opinions on its performance ?
> Also, what does it retail for in the states approx ?
> 
> -- 
> Tom J Parry.
> Your reality is a figment of my imagination.

I have played the GR-1 a few times at the store I teach at, and I'm pretty
impressed with it. The tracking is very good, it registers my hammer-ons 
and pull-offs, and has some real good sounds. I did have to watch my picking
technique a little, but much less than any other synth I've played. The piano
sounds are real good, as are the bass sounds. There are also some neat synth
pad type sounds that are great for weird jazz chords. The onboard pickup 
controller allows you to hear guitar only, synth only, or a mix with volume
control of the synth voice. You can also scroll up or down through the 
settings from the guitar. My favorite was to mix a distorted guitar sound with
one of the bass sounds for that 'Led Zepplin" feel. It also has a neat patch
that gives a bass sound on the low strings and a snare drum on the higher
strings. I believe the retail list on it is $1200.00 for the synth box
and $200.00 for the pickup. Expensive but fun!
				Frank  
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers.guitar
From: mike@vm1.mcgill.ca (Mike Woo)
Subject: Re: Cry Baby or Hendrix Wah?
Organization: Computing Centre, McGill University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:00:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.223421.9314@midway.uchicago.edu> hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) writes:
>Which is a better Wah Wah?  The Hendrix costs $75 whereas
>the CryBaby costs $59.  
>Thanks in advance.

     Neither one is really "better"...they just sound different.  The
Hendrix version is a vintage model so to speak and is narrower in 
range.  You can definitely cover Jimi or SRV with one of these.  The
CryBaby sounds more-notched and has a wider range.  I use it for songs 
like the guitar wah-intro in Supertramp's BLOODY WELL RIGHT.  One thing
to consider is that the pedal travel on both are the same, so it's a
little more difficult to home in on a particular frequency with the 
CryBaby due to its wider range.  Like anything else, it takes practice.
You should definitely try both before you buy.  
     Anybody care to share Wah-Wah mods?  The innards look simple enough
so there must be somebody out there who has tinkered with one of these
beasties?    
    
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin)
Subject: Re: Building a bass
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Space Science and Engineering Center
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:07:09 GMT

In article <1ef7aaINNsm@uniwa.uwa.edu.au>, pscottm@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Paul Scott-Murphy) writes:
|> 	I'm very interested in building an electric bass for myself -
|> the only question I have is for the standard length from bridge to the
|> end of the neck. Any help? (The bass will be fretless, and the rest I
|> can handle quite easily enough.)
|> 

I believe {if I'm wrong, I hope a more knowledgable netter will correct 
me} that the distance from the bridge to the nut is anywhere from 30 
{short scale} to 35 {long scale} inches.  I assume a standard scale bass
is then somewhere around 32 or 33 inches.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: rilchang@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (LESLIE CHANG)
Subject: Re: Level 42
Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:14:47 GMT

In article <1380@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk (Christopher Adams) writes:
>Path: monu6!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!spool.mu.edu!agate!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!dsbc!ozz!cwa
>From: cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk (Christopher Adams)
>Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
>Subject: Level 42
>Message-ID: <1380@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk>
>Date: 13 Nov 92 14:38:25 GMT
>Sender: news@oasis.icl.co.uk
>Lines: 9
>Nntp-Posting-Host: getafix.oasis.icl.co.uk
>X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

>Why don't I here anything about Level 42/Mark King in this group?

>I thought he was one of the best.

>        .-----------------------------.-----------------------------.
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>        | aka Chris Adams             | like trying to herd cats.   |
>        | cwa@getafix.oasis.icl.co.uk |         -- Unknown          |
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: pturner@sedona.intel.com (Pete Turner)
Subject: Re: Advice on effects boxes
Originator: pturner@sedona
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:25:38 GMT


In article <BxxwEA.17v@news.udel.edu>, webb@chopin.udel.edu (W Webb Pickersgill) writes:
> In article <1992Nov18.225602.7990@reed.edu> jcherney@reed.edu writes:
> >I'm looking for a "box," or whatever it's called, for my bass.  I spent most of the summer  
> >playing around with my friends's GSP 21 Pro, and I'd like to know what's available in that  
> >area for bass?  Something less expensive, hopefully... the GSP 21 has WAY too many features  
> >for me to use! But I am looking for stuff like noise gate, compression, chorus/flange, etc.
> 
> 	Well I can name some but I can't comment on them, I'll leave
> that up to you other netters:
> 
> Korg A4:
> Korg A5:
> ART NightBass:
> Ibanez PUE5B:
> Ibanez PT3B:
> 
> Any Others??

I've played with the ART NightBass a few months back. I guess my opinion is
mixed: I liked all that it could do, but I didn't need a pre-amp (which it
has) and I didn't like the hefty price tag (about $800). I did check out
the ART DrX processor (it's basically the same thing minus the pre-amp), 
and came close to buying it, but changed my mind at the last minute 
(I didn't think $600 was worth it either).

Peavey is coming out with an effects processor called "Bass FEX" that has similar
features as all the other popular units (chorus, flanger, delays, reverbs),
plus a few features that might make it worth closer investigation (the 
ability save patches to a ROM card, a set of speaker simulator for 
direct-to-board connections, and the ability to place an external effects
loop into the DSP program). So far, all I've heard is talk and propaganda, 
but the Peavey rep. told me that they are starting to shipping. The unit is MIDI
controllable (although it requires a special cable between the Peavey MIDI 
floor controller and the "MIDI in", which in my mind means they aren't 
exactly doing things in a truly Kosher/MIDI way). Another advantage is
that it doesn't seem to be as expensive as other effects processors on
the market (I think the rep. said it was listing at $500 which usually
means you can find it for a little less than that).

	...that's my $.02...

	Pete
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From: mortense@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Alvin Nor Mortensen)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Re: Bass for $500 ?
Date: 17 Nov 1992 14:05:33 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

I played a Ibanez TR series bass the other day that I thought felt pretty nice.
It had nice action and a pretty narrow neck in comparision to what I usually
play. The pickups were the standard P-J setup. Asking price was ~$400 at a
local music store so you should be able to do quite a bit better. 

Also, if you don't mind used instruments the suggestion to look at pawnshops
really is a good one.

On a completely unrelated note: Has anyone tried the acoustic bass
guitar by Ovation (Model CC74)? It's a roundback acoustic-electric. I saw one
in a catalog (American Musical Supply - $420) and thought it looked
interesting.

My $0.02.

nam
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: whale@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Building a bass
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 18:02:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.150709.16997@cs.wisc.edu> jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin) writes:

>I believe {if I'm wrong, I hope a more knowledgable netter will correct 
>me} that the distance from the bridge to the nut is anywhere from 30 
>{short scale} to 35 {long scale} inches.  I assume a standard scale bass
>is then somewhere around 32 or 33 inches.

The range is correct but the standard is off. Almost all basses are 34",
following a standard set by Leo Fender. Gibson's first basses were 30",
Fender and some other companies have played around with 32", and Modulus
Graphite makes 35". Yamaha basses are made to 33 7/8", for some perverse
reason. Also you can get specialty basses with 36" and there are still
some Ashburys floating around with 19" or whatever it was scales.
  In terms of decoding strings packs, "long scale" is 34" (should work
on 35" basses though) "medium scale" is 32, and "short scale" is 30. Or
so I understands it.
-- 
Steve Schmidt			<><		   whale@leland.stanford.edu
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist
indoctrination, Communist subversion, and the international Communist
conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!
From: aaron@spectrx.saigon.com (Aaron Anderer - System)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: looking for a bass to learn on
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 17:36:39 PST
Organization: SPECTROX SYSTEMS (408)252-1005 Silicon Valley, Ca

I want to learn how to play the bass, and I want to get one that will be
good, yet easy to learn on.  I'm looking to get a used bass and spend like
$250.  Any suggestions?  Anybody selling one?

also, are there any good books out there for learning how to play the bass?

thanks

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Aaron Anderer, System Operator                aaron@spectrx.saigon.com
SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1 408 252 1005              szebra!spectrx!aaron          

Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: tom@cpac.washington.edu (Tom May)
Subject: Re: finger/pick/flipper maneuver...
Organization: Center for Process Analytical Chemistry, UW
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:14:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.040511.28258@Princeton.EDU> clements@roof.Princeton.EDU (John Brinckerhoff Clements) writes:
>  Interesting technique that I'm using, and I wonder if this is old hat
>or just passe:  occasionally I'll be listening to a loud thrash number
>(Jazz is my typical oeuvre) and I'll be siezed with the need to play
>along.  Out comes the trusty axe and away we go (take, for example,
>Christ on a Crutch--damn fine hardcore band).  I find, though, that for
>the really fast numbers I get the best speed by positioning my hand
>above the fingerboard and using one finger (straight) like a pick on one
>string, i.e. flipping it back and forth across that one string.  Anybody
>else employ this technique?

I've seen Geddy Lee on videos doing a single-finger stroke which involves
the usual downwards motion followed immediately by an upstroke on the same
string (usually followed immediately by another downstroke).  You can
hear it several times about 1 minute 5 seconds into Hemispheres, among
other places.  He doesn't keep it up machine-gun style, though.
--
Tom.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: pturner@sedona.intel.Com (Pete Turner)
Subject: Re: Bass for $500 ?
Originator: pturner@rowdy
Organization: WCDP
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:18:13 GMT


I can't seem to stop recommending this: Bass Player Mag. just 
finished a major review of basses and they went so far as to divide the 
groups into price range. Check it out.

	Pete
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 Chandler, AZ 85226       | ---------------------------------------------------
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: jah7931@tamsun.tamu.edu (James Anthony Hogard)
Subject: Re: finger/pick/flipper maneuver...
Keywords: alfred oouh
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:30:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.040511.28258@Princeton.EDU> clements@roof.Princeton.EDU (John Brinckerhoff Clements) writes:

>...
>I find, though, that for
>the really fast numbers I get the best speed by positioning my hand
>above the fingerboard and using one finger (straight) like a pick on one
>string, i.e. flipping it back and forth across that one string.  Anybody
>else employ this technique?
>
>john clements
>21, help ftulkish

I've done that a bit, myself.  I find it hard to keep a 
good, constant volume, though.

jim

--
"Turn up the bass, damn it!  I can hear the guitar!"
From: pscottm@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Paul Scott-Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
Subject: Building a bass
Date: 19 Nov 1992 05:05:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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	I'm very interested in building an electric bass for myself -
the only question I have is for the standard length from bridge to the
end of the neck. Any help? (The bass will be fretless, and the rest I
can handle quite easily enough.)

	pscottm@tartarus.uwa.edu.au

Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: friedman@col.hp.com (John Friedman)
Subject: Re: Music Emporium
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:07:05 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

mjm@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Michael Murphy) writes:
> Could someone tell me how to get in touch with the Music Emporium?
> Phone number would be best, or else an address.

Musician's Friend        1-800-776-5173
Sam Ash                  1-800-472-6274
Thoroughbred             1-800-800-4654
Bill's Music House       1-800-828-0023
Los' Music               1-800-786-7302
Sound Southwest          1-800-342-4327
American Musical Supply  1-800-458-4076
Stewart MacDonald's      1-800-848-2273
Music Emporium           1-800-648-8460

John Friedman
friedman@col.hp.com

Newsgroups: alt.guitar.bass
From: rroberts@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ross Allan Roberts)
Subject: Re: Bass for $500 ?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:46:21 GMT

>>Hohner makes Steinberger-like basses more cheaply than Steinberger; since I
>>can't stand playing headless basses, I've never looked at them very
>>seriously.

>	Hohners didn't do anything for me, the action was too off and
>the neck adjustment was too unpredictable.  One day it would be fine and
>the next, impossible.  Just my $.02

Reall? I love my Hohner. It always feels good, has a good tone, is LIGHTER
than that 'Berger it copies, and I could just go on and on... a 1-piece
neck-thru-body design, in the headless design, with EMG's installed,
bright red, and I got it for $315 from some guy. Incl. an o-fee-cial
'Berger bag! Even stood up to my machining the headpiece to make it a
lefty. 

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