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From: ear@sei.cmu.edu (Eugene Rindels)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: golf news
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:58:40 GMT
Organization: Software Engineering Institute



Fred Couples leads the U.S. Ryder Cup standings, followed
by John Cook, Tom Kite, Jeff Sluman and Davis Love III. Briton Nick
Faldo is the European leader, followed by Anders Forsbrand of Sweden,
Barry Lane of England, Jose Maria Olazabal of Spain and Bernhard Langer
of Germany.


Here's the PGA money list after the Buick Southern Open.  Wish I was scrapping
it around down there at 60th, that'll pay for a few tees.

1. Fred Couples          $1,268,188
2. Davis Love III         1,095,230
3. Nick Price               930,659
4. Tom Kite                 909,236
5. John Cook                885,971
6. Corey Pavin              757,134
7. Brad Faxon               753,093
8. Dan Forsman              700,190
9. Jeff Sluman              685,913
10. Ray Floyd               665,918
11. Chip Beck               643,606
12. Bruce Lietzke           642,405
13. Mark O'Meara            619,248
14. Greg Norman             617,443
15. Steve Elkington         613,152
16. Jim Gallagher Jr.       585,593
17. Mark Brooks             572,390
18. Lee Janzen              559,165
19. Jay Haas                543,728
20. Paul Azinger            528,163
21. Tom Lehman              521,510
22. David Frost             505,433
23. David Peoples           500,575
24. Duffy Waldorf           483,120
25. Keith Clearwater        468,723
26. Billy Ray Brown         449,151
27. Ben Crenshaw            434,050
28. Gene Sauers             432,046
29. Craig Stadler           429,674
30. Steve Pate              424,126
31. Rick Fehr               423,283
32. Fred Funk               411,939
33. David Edwards           403,270
34. John Daly               387,455
35. Mark Calcavecchia       377,234
36. Lanny Wadkins           363,431
37. Joey Sindelar           357,682
38. Bill Britton            354,570
39. Nick Faldo              345,168
40. Ken Green               336,997
41. Jeff Maggert            328,638
42. Russ Cochran            326,290
43. Larry Mize              312,658
44. Richard Zokol           311,909
45. Tom Watson              299,818
46. Loren Roberts           292,508
47. Jay Delsing             290,785
48. Bill Glasson            283,765
49. John Huston             277,667
50. Andrew Magee            275,939
51. Jay Don Blake           274,901
52. Mike Hulbert            272,787
53. Rocco Mediate           270,075
54. Payne Stewart           262,374
55. Ian Baker-Finch         261,817
56. Blaine McCallister      261,187
57. Nolan Henke             254,198
58. Gil Morgan              250,775
59. D.A. Weibring           247,177
60. Craig Parry             241,901
Eugene A. Rindels    ear@sei.cmu.edu     Former SSgt  USMC "Semper Fi"
Real-Time Systems Program
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh PA
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From: ksb@adm.csc.ncsu.edu (Kelvin S. Bryant)
Subject: Rule clarification: moved ball
Organization: Adm.csc.ncsu.edu (Administration machine NCSU Dept. Computer Science)
Distribution: rec.sport.golf
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:49:14 GMT

I've read the rule concerning removing loose impediments and also the 
associated "moved ball" rule.  Sometimes when I remove loose
impediments, the ball moves ever so slightly.  I'm not really sure if
it has come to rest in the same EXACT position (who could).  Practically
speaking, how do you determine if your ball has been moved according
to the rules.  Clearly, if the ball rolls or something drastic then
it is obvious.  But as the ball moves less ... 

kelvin.
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From: bsmith@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (ROBERT SMITH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Golf Digest Cover (was: Phoenix Courses Referals Wanted)
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:05:30 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <1992Oct1.040034.23694@cc.gatech.edu> stasko@cc.gatech.edu (John
Stasko) writes:
>In article <19q6kbINN1da@agate.berkeley.edu> templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU
(Fred Templin) writes:
>>I have no personal experience golfing in Phoenix but FWIW
>>this month's issue of Golf Digest had an extensive golf-related
>>travel section on Arizona. (The issue is the one with Cory Pavin
>>on the cover.)
>>
Actually, I read in USA Today that Golf Digest did an experiment with this
issue and published one with Corey Pavin and one with a female golfer.  The
cover story was still the same (fairway woods), but the idea was to test the
sales of an issue with a female pro on the cover.





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From: martin@chiton.ucsd.edu (Martin Olivera)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Balls bouncing off water
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:51:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: chiton.1992Oct6.145100.8456
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Organization: UCSD - Scripps Inst. of Oceanogr. - MPL

In article <daved.718379430@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>
>I topped a 2 wood to produce a sinking line drive which skipped off the 
>pond and hit a goose sitting on the edge of the pond, and then dropped back 
>in to the pond, if the goose wasn't there it probably would have rolled to the 
>green.

But, hey!. You actually walked away with a "bird". :)

Martin
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From: davet@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Dave Tutelman)
Subject: Re: Graphite Shafts
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs - Lincroft, NJ
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:10:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.151820.9264@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>
>There are several benefits from graphite shafts, most the result
>of the fact that a shaftmaker can fabricate more properties into
>a graphite (or boron) shaft than he can with steel. 

That probably ought to be the case.  But let's look at your examples
in practice.

>In no particular order:
>
>- lighter weight
	Here's the big practical advantage of graphite shafts.
	Right on!

>- greater range of stiffness
	That's not clear, or at least not from what I've seen on the
	market and used in clubs.  Seems to me that most graphite shaft
	manufacturers build a softer shaft for any nominal stiffness.
	(That is, a steel "S" is stiffer than a graphite "S".)
	I haven't noticed that the total range of stiffness is different.

>- reduced torque
	Not from what I am told by the "experts" at GolfSmith or
	GolfWorks.  Steel shafts are typically in the 1-2 degree range.
	You've got to pay a lot to get graphite that low in torsion; your
	low-price graphite shafts aren't even close.  In the GolfWorks
	catalog, for instance, graphites with less than 3 degrees of torque
	start about $50 and go up from there; under 2 degrees is closer to
	(or over) $100.

>- different kick points so shots tend to go higher
	I hadn't noticed that.  What graphite shafts have a higher kick
	point than Dynamics.  What graphite shafts have a lower kick
	point than PowerKick?  (I really don't know; if there is an
	answer, tell me and I'll shut up about kick point.)

>- less vibration (big with a couple of senior players I know)
	Definitely!  Vibration is better damped, which means it's both
	lower level and lower frequency.

Dave
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From: fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante)
Subject: Re: Graphite Shafts
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:18:19 GMT

In <1992Sep30.140506.3249@lth.se> d90gl@efd.lth.se (Gustaf Loefberg) writes:

>What's the use in having graphite shafts in your irons?
>If you need to hit an iron longer, you take a longer club.
>I've noticed that Montgomerie and Daly uses firesticked
>irons, is there a reason for this except sponsors money?
>Could it be something with the torque?

I took a close look at the ad of Daly swinging a firesticked iron and the
torque rating was 2.0 which I guess is the closest Firestick shaft to a metal
shaft. Besides, there's no point for him to use anything higher than 2.0 or
his already long distance might just get out of control.
From: thomas@sm.luth.se (Thomas Gustafsson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Ruling
Date: 3 Oct 92 15:46:44 GMT
Organization: University of Lule}
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This "funny" thing happend me today. On the last par 5 I got
a perfect hit only to see the ball splitting into two halves
both landing on the fairway. What is the ruling ?


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From: freedse@gdstech.GRUMMAN.COM (Seth Freedman)
Subject: Re: Golf Club Cleaner
Organization: Grumman Corporation
Distribution: rec
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:52:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.125200.2610@dsr.uucp> bobw@dsr.uucp (bobw@dsr.uucp) writes:

golf club cleaner.

I have seen and used one.  The manufacturer was giving a free
demonstration of the device at my local driving range.  The machine
uses Ultrasound waves through hot water to clean the clubs.  It worked
pretty well, ... but so does my wire brush.

Intrestingly, the rep told me not to worry that the clubs were to be
cleaned in the muddy water, he said that the muddy water seemed to
work better than clear.

-Seth
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From: ricks@icat.larc.nasa.gov (Wendell R. Ricks)
Subject: Re: need golf suggestion for Myrtle Beach area
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:49:33 GMT

boatman@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Boatman) writes:

>tjay@src.umd.edu (Thanavat Junchaya) writes:

>>I am thinking about taking golf vacation in Myrtle Beach, S.C. around December.
>>I saw some post couple of weeks ago but forgot to save them.  Would somebody
>>please repost them if you still have them.

>>BTW, how is December weather down there.

>>Thanks,
>>Thanavat Junchaya
>>tjay@src.umd.edu


>I went on a golf vacation this summer in Myrtle Beach, although most of the
>courses I played were actually in N.C.  I think the most challenging (and
>the most beautiful) was Lions Paw.  It's a good 30 minute drive from N.
>Myrtle Beach, but well worth the time.

>Enjoy.....Todd

My favorite course in the area of Myrtle Beach is Long Bay (designed by
Jack N.).  Very challenging and different than the other MB courses.

Wendell 


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From: us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi)
Subject: Re: Help! I've lost my swing!
Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN  55144-1000 US
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 03:28:27 GMT

From article <1aakt2INN4gv@agate.berkeley.edu>, by templin@grayling.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Fred Templin):
> My golf swing has left me almost overnight! I've recently begun taking
> lessons and the instructor finally got me to start hitting down
> on the ball. Low and behold, I started cracking my shots out like
> never before and I was beginning to get the "feel" of a good golf
> swing. After getting the "feel" grooved, I played several rounds and
> recorded some of my best scores ever. (Low 40's for 9 holes.) But,
> this past weekend, I went for a long hiking trip in the Sierras and
> came back very stiff-legged from the strenuous exercise. Then, last 
> night, I went back for another golf lesson and I looked like I'd never
> swung a club before in my life!! I was horrified as I shanked ball

... more deleted ....

YES YES YES.  I have been training for a marathon (running it this
weekend) and I have often had stiff leg and back muscles.  During
heavy training, my golf game declined.  BUT, I noticed a 
definite benefit of stomach strengthening.  Sit-ups help your
swing with better control and power.

Just my spare change worth.

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From: umwawry1@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Brian Frank Wawryk)
Subject: Balls bouncing off water
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:20:15 GMT

I too had an occurance of my golf ball bouncing off of the water.
I was playing at Quarry Oaks here near Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
It was the ninth hole, a 435 yard wet par 4.  A 200 yard carried tee
shot over water was required to hit the fairway.  I semi-skulled my
tee shot and was just about to yell 'Oh sh**' when I saw it skip twice
on the water approximately 15 yards from the fairway and jump up the
bank onto the fairway.  Needless to say my buddy's luck wasn't that
good.  His shot took a header into the middle of the lake.

Even with the good fortune of hitting the fairway, I decided to lay
up on my second shot which was to a green guarded by another lake.
Unfortunately, my nine-iron shot flew a little too far and bounced
into the green-front lake.  I made a six.

Brian
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From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Subject: Re: Phoenix golf, revisited
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: sqnt
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 16:02:10 GMT

samg@dadd.ti.com (Samuel G. Goins,SEG,) writes:

>In article 20288@ichips.intel.com, bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct5.211417.27424@csc.ti.com> jimv@dadd.ti.com writes:

>>>              around that allows reciprocal play.  Several temporary greens
>>
>>What do you mean by "reciprocal?"  If you mean that you can
>>take off on the back and do the front after, then yes, it
>>is sort of rare...

>No, no, no.  The term reciprocal refers to the abililty for the golfer to 
>play more than 18 holes, ON THE SAME DAY, after paying greens fees.

Reciprocal play is when one private club allows members of other private
clubs to play on its course without having a member sponsor them and
vice-versa.  Most private clubs have a reciprocal policy.  Some restrict this
in ways such as only allowing members of out-of-town clubs to play (they
figure that in-town people can find a member to bring them.)

Many of the more famous clubs such as Cypress Point, Augusta etc don't have
reciprocal policies since they would have to many people wanting to play
there, so you have to have a member sponsor you.

-----
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From: kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Caddie-ing
Date: 28 Sep 1992 23:06:57 GMT
Organization: UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: guppy.ucsd.edu

In article <fragante.717709153@unixg.ubc.ca> fragante@unixg.ubc.ca (Gv Fragante) writes:
>In <1a6aaiINNo0k@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>
>>NEVER wear golf shoes when caddieing.  They will only add additional
>>unnecessary spike marks.  If I remember Capilano, it is a pretty hilly 
>>course, so wear a comfortable pair of sneakers.  If it is wet,
>>an all leather low cut basketball shoe usually does the job.
>
>How about golf shoes with rubber spikes ? This doesn't create spike marks, and
>I guess this doesn't create a "footprint" like an ordinary rubber shoe would.

I am personally against these so call "spikeless" golf shoes.  The rubber
spikes seem to act just like football cleats.  I have heard that these 
type of shoes have been banned at some golf courses.  Every professional
caddie I have seen has worn some type of sneaker or tennis shoe.  I still 
don't think these type of shoes leave much of a footprint, but when you 
are on the green, just watch to make sure you don't step into anybody's 
line, just as if you were playing.

>Seems like you have played Capilano, huh ? When did you and for what event ?

It was a while ago when I used to live in Calgary.  I went to Vancouver
with a friend of mine who was a club pro.  I pretended to be a member 
of his club.  One of the top courses I have every played.

>Actually, the men's competition will be split between Marine Drive and Capilano
>because there are 57 teams - too many to keep in one location. SO there will be
>a draw to assign teams to Marine Drive and Capilano. The top teams after two 
>days will move to Capilano and the rest will move to Marine Drive.

BTW, who is representing Canada in this tournament?

Isaac (kim@bull.ucsd.edu)
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From: daved@convex.com (David Dorfman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Balls bouncing off water
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:50:30 GMT
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Last time I played Sagamore Golf COurse outside of Boston I was on the
9th tee elevated over 90 yards of pond to a 210 yard par 3.

I topped a 2 wood to produce a sinking line drive which skipped off the 
pond and hit a goose sitting on the edge of the pond, and then dropped back 
in to the pond, if the goose wasn't there it probably would have rolled to the green.

Dave
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From: jim@ictv.com (Jim Cunningham)
Subject: Handicap program for PC?
Organization: ICTV, Santa Clara, CA (408) 562-9200
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 00:36:51 GMT


Does there exist a PC program to compute handicaps? Presumably it
takes as input your recent history of scores, with course rating and
slope. Please tell me how to get it. Thanks. 

jim


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From: ear@sei.cmu.edu (Eugene Rindels)
Subject: Golf News
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:40:49 GMT





John Daly shot a 4-under-par 67 to win the $800,000 B.C. Open in
Endicott, N.Y., by six strokes.
Ken Green, Nolan Henke, Jay Haas and Joel Edwards tied for second. 

Spain's Miguel Angel Jimenez first European Tour victory with a three-stroke
over Nick Faldo to triumph in the $1.02 million Belgian Open.

Japan's Isao Aoki won the $800,000 Seniors Nationwide Championship in
Alpharetta, Ga. 
the final round was canceled because of rain. Aoki finished with a
two-round total of 8-under 136, one stroke ahead of Ray Floyd. 
  
_________

Way to go John.  Seeing his name in the news reminds me back at the U.S Open,
I believe, When he did an interview with the commentator from USA network and
totally blasted Brent Musberger(how ever you spell it) for releasing a taped
interview he had given Brent.  The topic was on Johns rowdy past and his
run-ins with old Uncle Jack(Daniels).  Does any one remember this and have the
full story? 

Thanks,


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Real-Time Systems Program
Software Engineering Institute
Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh PA
From: jaym@hplsla.hp.com (Jay Miazga)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Golf Vacation/School Recommendation?
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:09:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.45810047
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA


My wife and I would like to take a vacation this December
that included golf and golf lessons.  We were thinking
of about 5-7 days.

Can anyone recommend a spa/resort/club/golf school?
We'd like to stay on the west coast to keep travel
expenses down, but if there's the 'right' place to
go in the East we'd consider it.

It doesn't need to be associated with a well-known
golf course; we're more interested in good instruction
and having some other things around to do in the evenings.
She's a beginner; this will be her first serious attempt
at picking up the game, and for selfish reasons I really
want it to be a good experience.

We don't want to drop a grand a day, but $300-400 would
be o.k.

We'd really appreciate some help finding a good spot.

Thanks,

jaym
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Build-your-own Catalogs
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 00:59:02 -0600


Comments/recommendations on golf component companies:



I've mostly always dealt with Golfsmith, Golfworks, and Dynacraft in
the  past.   I just bought some nice "firestick" 45" graphite shafts
from Pro-Swing for a nice price, though.   Best  combo  of  color  I
wanted, torque of about 3 degrees, and price.

Hireko has a nice catalog and the best prices of all. But,  you  get
nailed with a $5 charge for orders less than $50. I don't like that.
Yes, I'm kinda tightfisted with money :)

Golfsmith seems to be the company that is trying the most  to  build
trust  with  customers  and their catalog messages are geared toward
"don't believe everything you see written because ....".   They  are
the next least expensive with the FULL selection catalog of tools.
I've  joined  the the Golfsmith Golf Clubmaker's Association. One of
good benefits of it is nicely reduced prices on  items  out  of  the
catalog.  For  example,  one  clubhead  normally  $25 was reduced to
$19.50.

Golfsmith emphasizes that swingweight of clubs really isn't that big
a deal and their selection of  components  reflect  that  (very  few
clubs  with swingweight ports). Golfworks, however, is OBSESSED with
swingweight and offer most  of  their  components  with  swingweight
options. Dynacraft seems to care a bit about swingweight.

Only Golfsmith, Golfworks, and  Dynacraft  have  full-line  catalogs
with   components,   accessories,  tools,  and  other  club-building
gadgets.


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