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From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Confused (was: Zincs on boats)
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:16:54 GMT

mwhhlaw!tim (Timothy E. Hollingsworth) writes:

>Boy I am confused!  I thought that electrolysis occurred in part when there was  
>a electric potential difference between dissimilar metals.  Ions of the less  
>noble metal are carried along with the current flow.  Thus, if the metals were  
>bonded, they were effective grounded and no current would flow through the  
>electrolyte.  In a battery, the plates are not in contact.  Indeed, if the  
>plates come in contact, the battery is history.

Yep, but you're on the right track.  The answer is that current can flow 
only through a complete electrical circuit.  In the case of a battery the
circuit is made by hooking it up to the load.  This is a case where controlled
electrolysis is used to do work.  Inside the battery there are in fact parasitic
currents which flow through the electrolyte.  This is why batteries have finite
shelf life.  In the case of the boat with bonded fittings, the seawater is the
electroyte and the bonding wire is the low impedence load path.  By hooking
in a zinc the potentials are arranged so that the zinc is the anode and corrodes.
The fittings because they can no longer be anodes are protected from corrosion.

This is the theory.  Practice is all over the map.

cheers,
gerard
From: torsten@unisql.UUCP (Torsten Weirich)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Coast Guard user fee repealed!
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:35:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <BzBz54.J97@metaflow.com> mgm@metaflow.com (Gary A. Gibson) writes:

   |> 
   |> Now if we could only get them to pull their heads out of their ***es long
   |> enough to repeal the 10% luxury tax on high ticket items....
   |> 
   |> Torsten Weirich
   |> 

     Without another new tax to replace the 10% luxury tax, please.

No offense, but what has happened is that sales of U.S. made boats over
$100K has been virtually eliminated.  A former boat builder/designer 
who has now retired here locally told me that at least 10,000 jobs were
lost since the people who can afford to buy the really expensive boats
now buy them outside of the U.S.  You figure it out, the marginal gain
of 10% over 100K versus lost income tax of tens of thousands of people
who are now out of work (I'm sure this also affected other industries).

This tax is typical of Congress/Government which tends to go for quick
fixes rather than long term.  We'll see out Clinton does, but unless
he makes some tough (unpopular) choices, I don't see the situation
getting any better.

Sorry for the political tirade...I just get tired of short-sighted
governmental policy.

Torsten Weirich

P.S.  Don't get me wrong, I'd still rather live/work here than in
      my native Germany, where the Kohl administration has managed
      to really hose things up;-)

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From: boots@sptekwv2.wv.tek.com (Darrell Irvin;685-2277;60-850;;sptekwv2)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Marelon fittings et. al.
Date: 15 Dec 92 16:18:38 GMT
Reply-To: boots@orca.wv.tek.com
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.,  Beaverton, OR

In article <14DEC199213022915@erich.triumf.ca>, bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec14.194708.5295@progress.com>, gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras) writes...
|> >jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
|> > 
|> >There also the ball type valve used in shoreside plumbing systems.  The
|> >common brand is "Apollo".  In the large sizes they are expensive enuf to
|> > ....
|> >aren't as massive.  These valves have brass bodies, some kind of 
|> >chromed ball and teflon seals.  They are designed for pretty severe
|> >duty.  ANy opinions?
|> > 
|> 
|> Shoreside brass plumbing fittings SHOULD NOT be used for any critical (below
|> the waterline) application on a boat.  Brass is an alloy containing a fairly
|> active metal (zinc?) that will be eaten away by self-electrolysis within the
|> fitting, leaving a weak, porous copper fitting.

I can't comment on the brand, but this type of valve is "industrial" and
used for steam, compressed air, chemical service etc.  If you get the good
ones they have bronze bodies and either neoprene or teflon seals and stainless
steel balls.  This type of valve is often used as a seacock here in Portland
Oregon.  I have had them on my boat for close to ten years with no evidence
of corrosion.  This is freshwater (Columbia River) so I can't speak for salt
water.

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From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Marelon fittings et. al.                 
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:47:08 GMT

jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:

>Practical Sailor had a fine report on Marelon fittings, noting that one of
>the main problems is (duh!) that the little handles that control the valves
>are not nearly as tough as they should be. The valve gets a little sticky,
>the user tries to close it by turning the handle hard, and the handle breaks
>off. Bummer. 

>What lesson do we learn? Well, really we learn the same thing for Marelon
>*and* for all the other valves on through-hull fittings: it's worth it
>to lubricate these at least during the winter haulout (if any) and to
>exercise all valves periodically and lube those that need it. How do you lube
>a nice Groco ball valve when it's underwater? I'm not certain. Probably
>the best I could do is to dive overboard with a little vegetable oil in a
>squeeze tube and squirt it up into the valve opening. It should rise above
>the water, so that operating the valve will coat it with the oil. I dunno.
>Any suggestions?  Actually, vegetable oil is what's recommended for the
>Marelon fittings. Something more like lithium grease or teflon goop 
>(SuperLube?) is probably the right thing for the brass valves. 


There also the ball type valve used in shoreside plumbing systems.  The
common brand is "Apollo".  In the large sizes they are expensive enuf to
keep even boatowners feeling good.  The nice thing about them is they
have been designed to never require lubrication.  I wouldn't use them as 
anvils but I don't see why they can't be used in a protected location. 
The only way they look weaker than the Groco seacocks is the handles
aren't as massive.  These valves have brass bodies, some kind of 
chromed ball and teflon seals.  They are designed for pretty severe
duty.  ANy opinions?

>How often do I exercise my valves? Well, not often enough. About once a year.
>It ought to be about once a month when the boat is in the water, I figure.
>So, this is another item that goes on the "periodic maintenance" list. 

It's always nice to find out something vital no longer works when your life 
*isn't* depending on it.  We take our's apart every year for inspection and 
lubing.  We try to remember to work them all preiodically.  When we bought this 
boat several were pretty much inoperable.  Since we started maintaining them
regularly they've given no trouble at all.  

While we're talking about it, if the valve no longer seats well because
of pitting or wear in the cone/ball/seat it's eay to fix unless things
have really gone to hell.  Get some valve grinding paste (of all things)
from an auto parts place and have at it.  Takes about 10 minutes to make 
them turn smooth as silk and stop leaking.  Remember to clean out all the 
paste with kero and then lube the whole mess up.  I use Lubriplate on my 
seacocks but I suspect any old grease will do.

cheers,
gerard
From: myoung@digi.lonestar.org (Michael Young)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Coast Guard Boating Tax, NOT!
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:53:14 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

In article <1992Dec16.202932.14686@ee.rochester.edu> paul@ee.rochester.edu (Paul Osborne) writes:
>In article <1gnputINNlae@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> cworth@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU writes:
>>In article <7975@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, alany@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Alan Yelvington) writes:
>>>PLEASE!  No matter what you think, the
>>>Coast Guard is our friend.
>>
>>HORSEPUCKY!  As long as the Coasties are conducting armed, warrantless
>>boardings and searches of US ships in US waters (under the pretext of
>>drug interdiction) they're no friends of mine.
>>
>>
>	Yea, and the time that you are out there and in trouble and need 
>	the help, you pick up the mike and shout for the CG, and they 
>	show up in 40+ knot winds and 15+ footers you will be glad to 
>	say thank you.

While being checked out for my last bareboat charter in the Virgin Islands, 
the charter operater advised us, if in need of assistance, to call BVI radio.
He said that the only way we would be able to get the US Coast Guard to come
near us would be to make them believe we had drugs on board.  Fortunately,
we didn't need to try either option.  I don't know how valid this advice is.

Fair winds and far places....
-- 

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myoung@digi.lonestar.org
From: mgm@metaflow.com (Gary A. Gibson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Mercruiser questions
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:55:48 GMT
Organization: Metaflow Technologies Inc.

>On 11 Dec 92, torsten@unisql.UUCP wrote:
>
> My boat has a strange tendency to "fishtail" while bumbling along at
> 1200 RPM.  It runs straight as an arrow at speed.

  I have never experienced (noticed ?) this "fishtailing" effect on larger
deep-Vs.  I wonder if that is because the ones I have been on were all inboards
(probably all twins too).  Does this low speed effect only occur with
outboards or I/Os ?  Or just some particular hull designs ?

-Gary

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From: jadams@vixen.cc.bellcore.com (adams,john)
Subject: Cover for Guest R/C Searchlight Head wanted
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 19:46:53 GMT
Keywords: canvas maker, searchlight cover source needed

Season's Greetings!

Ah, that time of the year when my family asks: What do you want for
Christmas?  (Loosely translated:  What does the boat need this year?)

Since they got me a Guest remote controlled searchlight last Christmas, I
suggested that a nifty cover for the light would keep it really clean.
I then set out to find who might have such a cover (Typically, I then tell
them where to "go shopping").  I called Guest in Connecticut directly who 
responded that they used to offer covers, but no longer do.  They 
suggested that I contact my local chandelry which resulted in all sorts of 
covers, none of which fit the Guest 291A-5 BEAMER(tm).  

If anyone knows of a source of supply for this cover, please contact me.
Thanks in advance for your help. Have a great Holiday and see you at the
*B*O*A*T* show in January, February, March...then fitting out time again!

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From: torsten@unisql.UUCP (Torsten Weirich)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Kill-switch required?
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:49:07 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Dec10.122519.28784@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> scott@prodplan.Columbia.NCR.COM (Scott Bridges) writes:

   may be in other states.  Anyone know?  By the way, how do you put one of
   those things on a sailboat? :)

Easy, you rig it so that it drops your anchor when pulled out;-)

Torsten Weirich

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From: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com (Bob Rusk)
Subject: Re: Mercruiser questions
Reply-To: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:19:08 GMT

On 11 Dec 92 19:21:43 GMT, torsten@unisql.UUCP wrote:

>   My boat has a strange tendency to "fishtail" while bumbling along at
>   1200 RPM.  It runs straight as an arrow at speed.

>All powerboats will do this if you aren't going fast enough...
 ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^

Not all, just many.  None of our 16'+ Boston Whalers has done this,
neither did my 16' Starcraft SuperSport and my 15' LuCraft tri-hull
only wandered slightly.  Most (but not all) deep-V's seem to have this
problem.  Frequently, if you have hydraulic trim tabs and point them
down as far as they go at low speeds, the problem is diminished.
--
 Bob Rusk
 rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
 My thoughts, probably not Harris'.
From: mmp@mmp.UUCP (Lou McIntosh)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Fido is held to Ransome
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 15:22:41 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Maine Meeting Place * 207-324-5310 * Maine's Disabilities Network


In article <1992Dec10.144732.17308@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> 
whoward@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu writes:

 > 
 > I'm confused - Childers ran guns for the Irish, AND was a proponent of the
 > British Empire?
  
        That's right ... In 1903, when RIDDLE appeared, Childers was ever so  
        English in his politics ... but he came from "Irish landed gentry",
        and by 1916 he was persuaded (!) that the Irish Republic should be
        out from under the yoke of tyranny, &c.  -- At least a couple of the
        modern editions of RIDDLE contain good essays on Childers's life and
        times.


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CI$ 76330,3551                     @ YCPA, 150 Main, Sanford, ME 04073 
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From:  (m19701)
Subject: 16' Prindle DC Area for Sale
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: mitre.org
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:37:14 GMT

Greetings.

			My wife is starting to suffer a non-fatal form of skin cancer.  This has
caused the two of us to spend less time sailing on sunny days.  I feel it
is best to sell our boat rather then go another summer without sailing it.

16' Prindle Cat.  w/ trailer.  Excellent to near new condition, garage
kept.  Very faaassst. Would like about $2500, but make an offer.  days
(703) 883-7138.

ed casey

(insert standard disclaimer here)
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From: sblair@upurbmw.dell.com (billions of packets served daily)
Subject: Sailing Crew Position(s) in Sydney Australia
Organization: Dell Computer UNIX Networking Services
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:32:20 GMT

I will be in Sydney for the last 2 weeks of January 1993. I thought
to myself, Sydney, there's some pretty famous boats from there.

3 Questions:

1) Does anyone have a list of yacht clubs in the Sydney area? How
about race schedules for late January ?

2) I presume, just as in American most YC's, that you show up 
and take your chances getting a ride. Since I can be a grinder, 
tailer, console, main-sail trimmer, what might my chances be?

3) IF YOUR FROM SYDNEY: I'd love to crew with you for one of
the 2 weekends I'm going to be there. My experience ranges from
J-24's, up to 50's. Currently I sail on an Olson 30, as well as
a Soverel 33, so I'm comfortable on most anything.

I'll trade burgees from my local YC(Austin Yacht Club) for yours,
and would be willing to get a letter from my commodore, mabye
with reciprical priv's., should you ever come to Austin.

Please let me know via email


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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: Storm
Keywords: Damage
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Distribution: nj
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:07:30 GMT

drums@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (robert.e.wisnack.jr) writes:



>Anybody out there have serious problems with the storm 
>that just past?  I've heard some real hairy stories 
>about boats laying on the sides of the road on the 


Not me personally, other htan my winter cover being shredded in a most
thorough way.  However, at the yard I use four boats sank at thier slips,
one was totally destroyed by being mashed against piles.  One of the
sinkers went down because a through hull (bronze) failed, two small
boats just swamped, and the one that was destroyed hit an electrical box
which took out part of the transom.  

cheers,
gerard
From: kabreuer@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Klaus Breuer)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Looking for 'Kajen'
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:47:55 GMT
Organization: Student Pool, CSD, University of Erlangen, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.188.60.9

Hi everyone!

In the early 70's I lived for 5 years on the 60-foot sloop 'Kajen',
which we sold in the carribean.
Now I'm trying to find out if she's still afloat - where would I
find out something like that?
She's a 20m boat, overhanging mirror stern (sorry, don't know the 
english terms so well) and a rounded bow. The 20m mast stands out
in most harbours. Steel hull, teak deck, small rounded doghouse.

Replies please via email, I'm not often in this group:
kabreuer@faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de

Ciao,
Klaus
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From: jadams@vixen.cc.bellcore.com (adams,john)
Subject: Re: Boarding(was Re: Coast Guard Boating Tax, NOT!)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 14:28:13 GMT

In article <BzEyG3.828@encore.com> tflynn@encore.com (Tonya Flynn) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.131139.13513@mwhhlaw.uucp> uunet!mwhhlaw!tim writes:
>>In article <1gnputINNlae@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> cworth@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU  
>>(CHUCK WORTH) writes:
>>> In article <7975@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>, alany@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Alan  
>>Yelvington) writes:
>>> >PLEASE!  No matter what you think, the
>>> >Coast Guard is our friend.
>>> 
>>> HORSEPUCKY!  As long as the Coasties are conducting armed, warrantless
>>
>>I have actually been boarded a couple of times.  The boarders were 
>>businesslike nd courteous.  My impression is that the Coast Guard is 
>>doing this job because they have been directed to do so.  They did not
>>invent the policy of "zero  tolerance."  That policy was a political one.
>>
>
>I'm afraid the Coast Guard has proved to be no friend of ours.  Living in
>south Florida and frequently sailing between the U.S. and the Bahamas, we
>have had the occassion to be boarded twice by the Bahamas Defense Force
>and twice by the Coast Guard.  On SEVERAL occassions, while out for a
>day sail, we have been stopped by the Coast Guard and interrogated as
>to where we were from, what we were doing, how many were on board, who
>was on board, where we were going and the Captain had to produce the
>proper documentation.  
>
>...details of some very shoddy treatment deleted...
>
>It seems the latest 'job' and/or accomplishments of the Coast Guard,
>at least in this area of the country, is to escort Haitians to and
>from Guantanamo and to south Florida.  Nope.  I'm afraid I'm no friend
>of the Coast Guard.  And if we "fit the profile", then almost every
>group of average 30-something Americans must fit the profile.

Tonya (and others),

I'm not sure whether your 30-something profile has as much to do with the
drug interdiction treatment as your location.  Based on what I read in the 
BOAT/US reports, the unprofessional treatment you (and others) experienced 
is being addressed. It seems that a few over zealous officers
in our Southern waters have managed to give the entire Guard a very bad rap!

Up here, having just experienced the Nor-Easter of '92 safely ashore inside 
Barnegat Light, I have nothing but praise for the men and women of our local 
station...the third "most hazardous inlet" of the US.  With 70-80 knot winds, 20+ 
foot seas, and water in the mid 40s, they were on alert throughout the storm 
should some hapless crew need their assistance.  I know personally many of the 
folks stationed here and I wouldn't want their job for all the tea in China!  

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From: mgm@metaflow.com (Gary A. Gibson)
Subject: Re: Coast Guard user fee repealed!
Organization: Metaflow Technologies Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:34:15 GMT

In article <4385@unisql.UUCP>, torsten@unisql.UUCP (Torsten Weirich) writes:
|> In article <72433611213187@oxygen.aps1.anl.gov> gbanks@oxygen.aps1.anl.gov (Gregory Banks) writes:
|> 
|>    Good news! The ripp-off fee that the government imposed on boaters
|>    that used water accessed by the coast guard is no more as of 1993!
|>    Boats 20' and under will no longer be required to pay the $25.00 fee
|>    and for boats over 20', it will be fazed out in the next 2 years. It
|>    was shot down in congress (its about time boaters stopped getting
|>    screwed). 
|> 
|> Now if we could only get them to pull their heads out of their ***es long
|> enough to repeal the 10% luxury tax on high ticket items....
|> 
|> Torsten Weirich
|> 

  Without another new tax to replace the 10% luxury tax, please.
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From: moinard@irisa.fr (Yves Moinard)
Subject: Vendee Globe, short info
Reply-To: moinard@irisa.fr
Organization: IRISA, Rennes, France
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 16:54:32 GMT

No positions today. 
The fleet has good winds, everybody except Yves Parlier seems to have crossed the equator.
Philippe Poupon is now at the level of Van den Heede, 
and these two hope that they will be at the level of Ungarte 
(and Wynne-Thomas and Gallay) before the forties.

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