From: Mic.Oettinger@launchpad.unc.edu (Mic Oettinger)
Subject: Re: Help
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 01:43:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.232240.29660@bnr.ca> bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) writes:
>
>Interesting suject line...

Thank you. I used it because I honestly do have questions and I do feel at
a loss about many things. 


>
>In article <1992Nov12.192506.26872@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
>Mic.Oettinger@launchpad.unc.edu (Mic Oettinger) writes:
>|>atheist in this world. Every atheist I have ever encountered sticks to the
>|>tiring line, "If I didn't witness it, I don't believe it." First of all let
>|>me ask you this: Did you witness any of the scientific proofs for anything
>|>beyond what one can prove in an ordinary lab setting? Probably not. In fact,
>|>I'm sure there are abundant examples where you are trusting the claims of
>|>a few mere men (or women) without witnessing proof yourself.
>
>I do not require first-hand proof so long as the proof is logical and
>the source is reliable.
>I am sceptical of anything else (there are some weird people out there).  
>

Neato. I know what you mean, I feel the same.

>|>
>|>As a second point, I'd like to assert that no human can even hope to talk
>|>intellectually about the reality that exists beyond human scope. You have
>|>no idea whatsoever whether unicorns really do exist or not because you have
>|>not had the opportunity to visit any other planets in any other solar
>|>system. So how can you be so bold to discount the existence of anything?
>
>I am not. But I am bold enough to smack people on the head when
>they are bold enough to assert the existence of anything on
>little or no data.
>

Me? Never!

>|>
>|>Thirdly, and I ask this out of sheer confusion myself (and I'd really like
>|>true opinions on what you make of this), I am aware that your wonderful
>|>scientists have now discovered a way to tap the area of the brain that
>|>triggers out-of-body experiences, and that they now in fact have a laboratory
>|>where one (with much money to blow) can experience an OOB. 
>
>OUR wonderful scientists?  What are you, an alien unicorn?
>

Well! At least someone around here has a sense of humor! :)

>|>Given that
>|>after coming back from one of these the person can relay information which
>|>occured in other rooms/states/countries/etc while they were 'gone', what
>|>do you make of this obvious proof that the human body entails more than
>|>its physical being? How would you explain this, and does this not provide
>|>a damn good proof that when we die we are only leaving our physical body?
>
>If it is real.  Ever hear of the term "mark" or "dupe"?
>There is a long history of people paying $$$$ for scams involving
>the supernatural.
>

My info is solid Sir.

>|>
>|>*Note: This is absolutely NO claim for Christianity or any other religion
>|>       but merely a strong validation for eternal life. (no reference of
>|>       Heaven, Hell, God, angels, etc. just the facts)
>
>Lifeforce outside of the body does NOT equal lifeforce immortal.
>What if you just disapate slowly?  Also, OOB experiences would
>only show that awareness is not limited by the body.  It does
>not prove life-after-death.
>So much for the scientific proccess!
>

Probably because the people do not report any feelings of disapating...but
who am I to say?

>|>
>|>I'd appreciate any input and anybody who would like to know where this
>|>laboratory is, I can certainly give you that info.
>
>1) An open mind is great, just be aware that some people lie.
>2) Science is a methodology.  It can be applied to anything real.
>
>So, where's the lab?
>

WHAT Lab??  

>|>
>|>Michelle----My opinions only, don't even try to call em yours!
>|>
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>                                          
>Brian /-|-\




HAHAHA, just kidding, gimme a little time ok? I'll get it to you soon.

Michelle
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