HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: Terrapin Tape Update
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 17:53:05 GMT

In article <s2T1RB1w165w@c-cat.UUCP> david@c-cat.UUCP (dave) writes:
>
>Just ordered more tapes from terrapin tapes, they still continue the net 
>discount, but the rules have changed.
>
>
>It seems as though many college students have read about the discount here on
>the net and have been ordering tapes, wanting the discount.
>
>According to the guy I talked to, the discount is only for those who have
>out of pocket expense paying for usenet fees. Not for everybody on the
>net who has heard about the discount here.

So what does this mean, all net heads don't rate a discount. I'm
disappointed and was about to place a major tape order but might
have to change my mind.

I hate discrimination in any form if your going to offer a discount
make it apply to all. And how much was this discount anyway I don't
remember.

It seems a discount should be offered to those making volume orders.

Oh well just my opinion:-)

Eventually the Capitalist in all of us rears it ugly head, Me
again:-)

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From: gaile@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (Gail Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: WINTERLAND MEMORY
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:48:56 GMT
Organization: The Internet

In article <1992Oct2.172836.25800@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> Tom_Jacobs@qms1.life.uiuc.edu writes:
>WINTERLAND MEMORY
>
>A footnote to my San Francisco venue
>nostalgia:  One never-fail ingredient of a true
>Dead concert experience at Winterland was the 
>inevitable stoned dude or dudette who would 
>totally disrobe and bump his/her way, wasted
>but purposeful, to the stage.  We were usually

A footnote to the footnote: Nudity still happens.  At last fall's Boston
Garden shows a pregnant woman exposed herself.  She told security this was so
her fetus could more directly experience the musical vibrations :-)

On the topic of Strawberry Nestles: I shall forever remember the
time several friends decided to snort some mescaline capsules, later
realizing they were filled gelatin when the stuff began congealing in
their nostrils.  Yechh!
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From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: Re: Diamondbacks: How are Neil's new CD's?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:17:56 GMT

Before anybody flames this person, remember that Jerry considers all sound
music and I geuss that would extend to Neil.  And, hey, Bob Weir does 
"Witchcraft"-- Can "Kentucky Woman" be far behind?

There is a lot of Neil Diamond talk for Diamondbacks as they're called,
but a lot of it is good-natured ND parody.  *I* happen to be a DeadHead who is
a DiamondBack for sentimental reasons and consider Neil to be my guilty
pleasure (next to diet blue Kool-Aid).  So while you might expect other 
Newsgroups to flame, at least we'll give some answers because we DeadHeads
try to find the best in even the worst! :-)

Columbia has the rights to Neil's first 3 years in the mid '60's as well
as everthing from November 1973 on.  MCA owns 1969-73.  Neil currently
has completed his contract with Sony/Columbia  (as of last week) and is not 
currently signed to a record company.

Having said that, I recommend that you buy "Classics-- The early Years"
and "Neil Diamond's Greatest Hits Vol II" unless you want his Columbia Hits
from 1982 on. Then buy the new Columbia set which is not as good an overview
of the 1973-1980 period but does have the 1982-1992 stuff.   The Columbia set 
has unreleased live versions  to substitute for the MCA period which they 
do not have the rights to.  Get the MCA set "Glory Roads" which is better.
Then I'd suggest buying "Beautiful Noise" , Neil's best collaboration 
which is with Robbie Robertson.  Robbie helped Neil to make an album
that is devoid of the typical Neil Cliches for which people parody him.
Don't think there are any re-masters on either the  MCA or Columbia sets.

You'd probably be best served in the future if you make your posts to rec.
music.misc.  where other Diamondbacks are present.  But hey, we dead folks 
like all kinds of music.

Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>   I have been informed by a friend of mine who reads this newsgroup that Neil
>Diamond is often mentioned here on rec.music.gdead, and I have some questions.
>   I have to honestly admit I am not a die hard Neil fan, (the fact is I like
>everything I have heard by him, but I only have 3 albums by him and haven't
>heard much other than my collection or what is on the radio) but I was curious
>about the two new double-CD sets that were released last summer.
>   I think they both contain 38 or so tracks, some of which are live. I was
>wondering what the quality of those live tracks is, as well as where they were
>recorded. Also, I am assuming the other studio tracks are 'remastered' or some-
> thing. If they are, is it worth my while to get the old original recordings
>with hiss and what not, when I can get these discs? Any comments are welcome.
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From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Subject: Re: fave-o-rit venues
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:16:22 GMT

in response to comparing vail vs. aspen:  thanks for sharing your
opinion (that's what we're all here for, no?).  i guess on my
various visits to the two towns between '77 and '85 , i felt that
aspen was a much nicer place, perhaps only because it originally
began as a town, and vail always lacked any charisma or personality,
in my opinion.

about red rocks, major smiley insert, my heart has slowed down to
its usual 70 per minute again, thanks for that input.  now, can
anybody tell me if the dead still play there? last i heard, they
were talking about banning them for the poor citizens of
morrison and their over-camped-in front yards:  i've been out of
touch with colorado since i left in '85 ...  <:

lara
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From: lstein@adobe.com (Larry Stein)
Subject: Re: Got my Jerry tix!
Organization: Adobe Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:58:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct4.205257.18636@lclark.edu>, hall@lclark.edu (Matthew Hall) writes:
> 
> 
> p.s. 
> Is this the first time JGB has played the Coliseium?
> 
       Yes it is (unfortunately!).  Jeez, it's bad enough that
       I have to see the GD at the Oakland Coliseum.  I thoroughly
       dislike the Coliseum, but for the GD, I'll put up with it.
       For the JerryBand, not a chance.  I can only hope that this
       is an aberration and that Jerry will go back to playing the
       Warfield and Kaiser.

       Your Monday morning curmudgeon,

       --larry      (...and yes, i had a very nice weekend...)   %*)
From: stevep@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca (Steve X. Portigal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Santana tour dates in Ontario?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 12:14:48 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

  I heard that Santana tickets for Montreal just went on sale yesterday.
 Does anyone know about any dates in Ontario, specifically Toronto?
 
 I've been away for a couple of months and am really out of the concert scene
 here.
 
 Thanks for any info..
 
 Steve
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From: glambert@pyramid.com (George Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: dead sighting
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:55:01 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology

In article <1992Sep29.145008.18150@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> redfreak@softcopy.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas Lobonc) writes:
>
>Does anybody remember seeing the two large-breasted gorgeous blondes
>dancing off to one side of the stage this year at Soldier Field?
>
Were they male or female?  :-)

George Lambert
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From: Bill Sloan <wls1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Dead Music on NPR
X-Xxdate: Wed, 30 Sep 92 14: 21:37 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: wls1@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:12:13 GMT

I surprised no one posted this yet.......

This AM on the 7:50 slot (methinks) they had a report on the clean up
after Hurricane Andrew and they said tha some bands had volunteered to
play for the families still living in the tent cities.  They cut to the
stage (audio-wise) and what do you hear but  the strained sounds of a
ChinaCat.  Kudo's to who ever volunteered to play for these homeless
folks.  Anybody know of any Dead bands in southern Florida?  And who is
it at NPR that is responsibile for the steady stream of Dead references
(my guess would be one of the engineers but I swore I saw Cokie (sp?) 
Roberts  sellin Veggie burrito's  back in the late '70's....  ;-)

Bill.


Went to see the Capt'n
Strange as I could find
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From: bill@isl.Stanford.EDU (Bill Moore)
Subject: Re: SF Chronicle Article
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:50:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.003853.3129@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> sjeck@isi.com writes:
>"Diamond said he was bouyed by the release this year of his
>'Greatest Hits'' album and a tour of Europe where he
>was given a hero's welcome.  Out next is his first Christmas

Aw, man, don't remind me. I really wanted to go to Europe.

>what an honest guy admitting that he  sings a "bathroom" song!!

Eh, let's get real here. Neil is OK these days, but nothing
like '77, when he sang with that "chick" singer, was her name
Barbra or something? Admittedly I was drinking a lot of
cappuccino in those days (it was still legal ;-) but I just
think the shows back then had an ineffable quality to them
that you don't see anymore. I mean, hey, I still love going
to the shows and all, it's just different, that's all. The limo's
just not the same with unleaded gasoline.

Bill
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Dead-Flames Digest #305
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:56:12 GMT
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

In article <1992Sep29.145747.21225@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU>
AAAUUUUGGGGHHHH_MY_HEAD_HURTS <JPC2901@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> writes:
 
 i had an experience similar to matt's about dead misconceptions.  
 back on the spring tour when the dead first played albany(90?) i had the
 opportunity to see a majority of the hartford and albany shows. upon returning
 home my parents had to sit me down and talk to me as they were getting very
 worried about me.  it seems that my mom had told one of our employees that i
 was on tour.  he then told them that the dead were a bunch of freaks that told
 kids to go home and kill their parents and families. 


When I was on tour this past spring, my grandmother called missing
persons.  They told her about all of the horrible things that could
have happened to me.  My personal favorite was I could have picked up
a rider who killed me.  You know, that happens all the time...
-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg
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From: Jeff Lester <lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com>
Subject: Re: Lovelight poll and misc.
Reply-To: lester@gandalf.etdesg.trw.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:07:18 GMT

|Misc: Grateful Dead Legend Time: Does a "Fire On The Mountain" happen to
|      coincide in time and place with the eruption of Mt. Saint Helens in
|      Washington State? And if so, who has the tape (if one does exist)?

6/12/80 Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland OR (not the initial eruption, 
but a later one).

|      i have a good taping friend who claims to have a Dark Star>Spanish
|      Jam>Lovelight with the Allmans? Is this the 2/11/70 set that has been
|      raved about on the Flame?

That's the one.


-Jeff Lester


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From: "Doug Budzak" <DBUDZAK@IVY>
Subject: personal for kevin prigge
Reply-To: DBUDZAK@IVY
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:39:44 GMT

Kevin - please send me some email. I tried to send you some at
klp@pnet51.orb.mn.org, and I got a 'returned mail' message from the
system, saying there was no 'klp' at that address. Argh!
From: ncovey@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neil covey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Monterey Pop Festival '67
Date: 2 Oct 92 13:00:28 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

There are boot CDs of this.  I saw a 4-CD of this the other day.  The
sound was pretty good, but not great.  There also was a radio special a
couple of years back; it played the same Dead tunes the boot CDs
have--Viola Lee and Cold Rain and Snow.
From: AUDPH@ASUACAD.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: where IS that killer '67 stuff?
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:13:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: ASUACAD.92270.171316AUDPH
Organization: Arizona State University

So, really, does anybody out there have any 1967 material to offer other
than the standard 11/67 Shrines, 3/18/67 Winterland, 5/5/67, and 10/31/67?
I've got plenty of stuff to offer if you can help with the '67 situation!!!

Thanks.

David Hollister
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Tom Jacobs <Tom_Jacobs@qms1.life.uiuc.edu>
Subject: WINTERLAND MEMORY
Reply-To: Tom_Jacobs@qms1.life.uiuc.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:28:36 GMT

WINTERLAND MEMORY

A footnote to my San Francisco venue
nostalgia:  One never-fail ingredient of a true
Dead concert experience at Winterland was the 
inevitable stoned dude or dudette who would 
totally disrobe and bump his/her way, wasted
but purposeful, to the stage.  We were usually
pretty close to the front, and it became a 
standing joke with the crowd I went to shows 
with.  Not that it was the same person every
time, but it just cracked us up that there was
*always* somebody motivated to get naked and 
climb up on the stage!

Two memorable times:

1.  Reubenesque damsel takes it all off and,
zombie-like, stumbles to the stage repeating,
"I want Jerry Garcia to suck my tit...I want
Jerry Garcia to...".  When she got on stage 
(there was NO security across stage-front in
those days), uncle Bobo dashed in from the
wings, grabbed her around the waist (waste?)
and carried her off, one handed, the other
hand raised high with a triumphant fist.  The
crowd loved it. The boyz rolled their eyes
and rocked on.  So if you have a Winterland
aud tape from '70-'72 with an unexplained crowd
cheer in the middle of a tune, for no apparent
reason, that could be it.

2.  A bony wasted dude in his b-day suit makes
it up to where a friend and I are standing, 
puts a hand on each of our shoulders and 
hollers "Help me up!", whereupon my friend asks
him "Where?", and our guest replies "To the cross!".

I realize that in this age of Widespread Panic
about the use and consequences of drugs, these
anecdotes may have lost most of the humor the
events had for us back then.  But there was a time
when people could do wild and crazy but otherwise
harmless -- if Monumentally Embarrassing -- things
while under some influences, and it wasn't a sign
to so many that Amerikan Youth was going to hell
on a sled.

Have an apple-pickin weekend, friends.

Tom "you're either on the sled or off the sled" Jacobs


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From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: The "cool venues" thread continues...
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 18:32:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.164705.5862@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jojw@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (John J. Wood) writes:

OOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Over worked, Under paid, and UNDER TOURED:-) :-) ;-)
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From: burnett@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gary Burnett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Overdubbed Vocals on Without A Net
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:10:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Sep29.120818.8687@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com writes:

> 	Ok, so I've seen the posts here as of late that claim that certain
> Garcia vocals were overdubbed on "Without A Net".  I'll assume for the moment
> that this is true.  If so, shouldn't the band be liable for FALSE 
>ADVERTISING???The overdubs invalidate the name of the album.  The
>overdubs are The Net.
> They also invalidate the claim of being a "live" album.  I want my money back.
> Whats next?  Jerry lipsynchin at shows?

Well, I guess you'd better turn in your bus ticket :-)  If I'm not
mistaken, every single one of the Dead's live LPs has been subjected
to after-the-fact studio manipulation:  There are audible splices on
Live Dead; Skull & Roses has Merle Saunders overdubbed & Pigpen's
organ cut out in many spots (I don't know about overdubbed vocals
on these two, but I'd guess that there are some); Europe '72 has 
lots & lots of overdubs; Steal Your Face should probably have never
been released without lots & lots of overdubs (:-) ); Dead Set
is not all that much better, IMHO.

I don't actually know about Dead Reckoning.  Does anyone know
if it's "clean"?

Even One From the Vault was "rearranged" a bit.

I tend to agree that true live recordings would be preferable, but
in practice, I'll take whatever I can get :-)

--Gary B.
-- 
Gary Burnett                             burnett@gandalf.rutgers.edu 
130 Columbia Street                      gburnett@zodiac.rutgers.edu   
Highland Park, NJ  08904                          jera@well.sf.ca.us

"Things then did not delay in turning curious."  --Thomas Pynchon  
 
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From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead,rec.music.folk,rec.music.early,rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Answer: Fennario/Peggy-O
Date: 28 Sep 1992 17:05:09 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

I like this -- thanks Frederick for taking the time & trouble to
research this & post.  I suggest whoever is (still?) doing the gdead
FAQ add Frederick Ringwald's posting or part of it to the FAQ, because
questions about Ms Peggy O. are periodic.

Frederick A. Ringwald writes:

>significantly different. The notes on p. 387 say:
>      Broadside, 'Pretty Peggy of Derby', by Pitts.

This could be as "original" as you can get with this -- do
you know of a date for this broadside?

>Scottish popular ballads of Francis James Child, although it seems
>related to some of the songs there, particularly the variant "Pretty
>Polly" of "Lady Isabel and the Elf Knight," which did not appear t

I don't agree with this -- maybe you're looking at a different
version of (Ch 4) Lady Isabel/Pretty Polly than I've seen -- but that
song is the story of Bluebeard to me.  On the other hand 
"The Trooper & the Maid" (Ch 299) seems close.  Inspirational
if not directly ancestral.

>82. It is also noted that "Pretty Peggy O" is a version of the Scottish
>"Lass of Fyvie." Unable to read music, I can only take these
>comparisons so far, of course.

Many seem connected only by the common theme in the lyrics.
Incidentally "Peggy" is "Bairbre" in some Scots versions.

>near Derbyshire. If I find this song there, I'll be sure to post about

Please do!
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From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: A Pleaagainst Neil
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 21:09:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.143812.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> hrust@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>Let us pause and reflect upon the humble name of this newsgroup: 
>				rec.music.gdead
>Nowhere does it mention Neil or Julio, ergo one can assume that there is no
>connection with either artist.  Not, that I have anything against either of
>them, in fact I rather enjoy Neil every once in a while, but please leave him

Oh No! A lurking Diamondback, they'er everywhere:-)

>(I might laugh myself to death)
>
>Laughin' out the corner o' me mouth :-?
>			-H Rust
>
Now you'er getting the gist of it:-) :-) :-)


What's wrong with havin' a little fun guys, there won't be any real
new Dead info til after Halloween, so deal with it:-) :-) :-)

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From: SHAPLEIG@peocu1.peocu.navy.mil
Subject: RE: Brent at His Best
Reply-To: SHAPLEIG@peocu1.peocu.navy.mil
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:19:39 GMT

Brent took some getting used to for me.  I used to think his raspy inclusions
in Cassidy and Let it Grow were intrusions.  I never faulted his ability,
mind you.  Brilliant.  Later on, I was really amazed at the power of his
voice when he started singing his own songs.  Some favorites were Good Lovin'
from Hampton '89, a rare Gentlemen Start your Engines from Pitt. 88?, and of
course Let It Grow from the Crap Centre [WAN].  I'd have to say my favorite 
would be from Greensboro in '87 or '88.  I remember it had started raining
before the show started.  The floor was GA, and I was the only on in my
group that had a floor seat.  So I rambled down by myself, and came upon a
friend we had seen earlier in the lot who was now peaking and needed some
help.  He was real glad to see me.  Unfourtnately he had some bourbon he
couldn't handle in his current condition and I had to do something with
it %^).  Anyway, the show started with this killer Bertha.  I was about 
50 feet away from Brent, and he was looking at Jerry as he would do from
time to time.  Jerry was smiling at him and coaxing him into singing along
at the point where he sang Test me Test me and Brent thunders in Why don't
you arrest me.  The place exploded.  Anyone remember?  
     Later in the set he did an incredible BlowAway raising his fist in the
air.  Definitely a show to remember.  I also remember a really weird jam
after Terrapin.  Any "crispy" tapes?  The only one I had was a low grade
Aud.  There was also the run at the Meadowlands in '89.  I only caught the
last three, butt I remember before the first show started, Brent came out
with and Oakland hat, and finally switched to old SF, obviously torn between
the two Bay area teams.  Enough rambling.

Later,

B.S.
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From: MT.DRM@forsythe.stanford.edu (Doug Menke)
Subject: Jerry down to half a pack a day
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:32:19 GMT

Marshal Phillips spoke this morning on KFOG radio about a
conversation he had with Bob Weir in which Bobby said that Jerry is
seeing a hypnotist to help him cut down smoking.  Jerry is down to
half a pack of highly-filtered, low-tar cigarettes.  Keep up the
good work, Jerry, and we look forward to seeing you this
Halloween!!!
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