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From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: TOS/TNG Klingons
Date: 24 Nov 92 02:35:00 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <cboerm48.722559537@ursa> cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:
>dkgardin@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Dan Gardiner) writes:
>
>>     Another explanation for the differences between the two sets of klingons
>>  is provided in the DC Comics graphic novel 'Debt of Honour.'  It basically
>>  states that there always were the two sets of klingons, but in the time of
>>  TOS the present ones were discriminated against, and now the situation is
>>  reverse.  It also mentioned something about natural evolution, I believe.
>>  (Pick it up.  Although not recognized as being part of the ST universe, it
>>   is a *GREAT* story).
>
>Well, not a bad idea, but I've come across another one that I think is really
>quite good. Now, it's not cannon, but it does work real well for technology
>of the time and all.
>
>It comes form "The Worlds of the Federation" by Shane Johnson (Pockets Books
>ISBN: 0-671-66989-3) It says (page 114): "It is interesting to note that for
>many years the true appearance of the Klingon race was unknown. The 'Klingons'
>encountered along the Federation border with the Empire were a Klingon-human
>fusion, genetically created to make infilration into Federation areas easier.
>The interception of the Amar transmission during the V'Ger incident [Star Trek
>the motion piture for those who are only part-time Trekkers] revealed the true
>nature of the Imperial Klingon race and stunned Federation science. Before that
>time, on one had suspected that the Klingons were capable of such advanced 
>genetic engineering, and a great deal of rethinking was done concerning the
>level of Klingon technology."
>
>Well, there it is, what'd y'all think?
>
>		CTB
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From: schamber@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Sylvain Chamberland)
Subject: Admiral Sati (sp?)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:06:58 GMT

I just saw on TV an old movie, "The Man in The White Suit", starring a
very young Alec Guiness. I think it was made in the 50s...

Anyway, the main female actress had familiar voice and looks...

I realized she may be the same actor who played Admiral Sati (is it the
right name?) in "The Drumhead". Can anyone verify that?  :)

In that movie, Alec Guiness played a scientist who designed a cloth that
repels dirt and that cannot be worn out... (and which is originally white).
"Admiral Sati" - very young and not bad looking here :) - play the
daughter of the owner of the plant where Alec Guiness works... of course
you can guess what happens between the two of them...  ;-)



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From: shepa@sersun1 (Shepherd A J)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: What would be the ULTIMATE crossover??!!
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:06:00 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

The Enterprise finds itself outside a mysterious planet.

"Captain", says Data, "The surface of the planet seems comprised almost
entirely of sand."

	"Sounds strangely familiar", says Picard.

--
And the dandy isn't sure,		| Antony J. "Doppelganger" Shepherd
If there's a cure for his malaise,	| shepa@essex.ac.uk
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From: eggertc@ucs.orst.edu (Christopher Eggert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: TOS & TNG/Movie Klingons
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:44:30 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
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In article <-4pq78j@lynx.unm.edu> quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) writes:
>Just some food for thought, but if, as many claim, the TOS Klingons
>always looked like TNG klingons, but the makeup wasn't up to snuff,
>could somebody please explain how Arne Darvin (the Klingon spy in "The
>Trouble With Tribbles") was able to so successfully infiltrate Mr.
>Baris's staff?  Extensive cosmetic surgery?  (Gotta take out them ridges
>and put in some hair.)

Just a point I'd like to make....If any more than ONE person had bothered to
read/reply to a message I posted here a few days ago, you would have seen a
potential explanation for this.

I asked to find out if anyone but me remembered reading this somewhere: There
are two Klingon races...One Imperial, one Warrior.  One of the two had the
skull ridges (and were the ones with the beards in ST:TOS).  The other race
looked (outwardly) very human and was used to infiltrate Starfleet and other
civilian populations (like Arne Darvin in "The Trouble With Tribbles").

Personally, I think the "fusions" theory sucks...you can't mate a cow with a
horse, a human with a babboon and expect to get anything out of it.  Even
Spock was only possible with EXTENSIVE genetic manipulation on
Vulcan...something I doubt the Klingons could duplicate.


Just my $0.02 worth.


>-- 
>Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  quirk@pioneer.unm.edu
> I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
>                          what I have now...

C. Eggert
Oregon State University
(eggertc@ucs.orst.edu)
From: william@cs.arizona.edu (Dragon (William Hertling))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart's One Man Play
Keywords: Picard, Patrick Stewart
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:05:39 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <priss.722421416@glia> priss@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Lisa) writes:
>Earlier, some time around 8:00pm on Saturday, I just went to see Patrick
>Stewart do his one man rendition of Charles Dicken's 'A Christmas Carole'.
>It was the most interesting rendition of the play I have ever seen in my life,
>given that Patrick Stewart did it all by himself, with only a few props and
>people providing the lights.  All the sounds and voices he did himself with
>no recordings.

I'm going to see A Christmas Carole when Stewart does it in NY, around
around december 20th, which is when i'm going home for vacation. (he timed
it just right - he must want to meet me or something). Anyway, my friend
in NY called for tickets for us - the tickets went on sale at 11 pm,
and by the time he got through at 11:30 or so, he said the first 2 days 
were sold out already. But we do
have good tickets for the third day, so i'm excited!

william
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Date: Wednesday, 18 Nov 1992 10:08:38 EST
From: <UPLG6995@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Paramount Press Release: #235 - The Quality of Life
Distribution: world

I am doing a project on the ideological direction of ST:TNG.  If you could
offer any ideas I would appreciate them.  <i.e. books, articles, etc>

sincerely,

Paul Ferreira
Toronto, Canada
Home of the Blue Jays and the Argonauts
From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine -- Out of the U.S.
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:00:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Bxu33M.6Jv@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, beckerjw@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (John Becker) writes...
>If other countries are a few seasons behind the U.S., does that mean that
>they will have to wait a couple of seasons to get Deep Space Nine?  
>Wouldn't it be kind of a "spoiler" if they Deep Space Nine without seeing
>previous few seasons?

     I heard something about it, but wasn't paying attention.  I think
     the gist of it was just what you say: DS9 will air abroad just
     as it will air here.  "Chain of Command," the two-part TNG
     episode uplinking around Christmas-New Years, will introduce
     the space station, re-introduce the Cardassians and the Bajorans,
     and introduce some key new members of the DS9 cast, like Major
     Kyra (the first officer who, whoa... looks a lot like Ro).

     Part 2 of "Chain of Command" - featuring Picard going undercover
     in Cardassian territory and ending up, somehow, on a big old
     piece of junk orbiting Bajora - and "Emmisary," the 2 hour DS9
     pilot, will uplink on the same day and both will air the first
     week of January.

     I'd imagine the same will happen abroad in a couple of years.
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Subject: Re: Guinan
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 15:14:07 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789
Keywords: Lady!  Lady!  Lady!

timelord@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey JACOBS) writes:

> In article <1992Nov11.194328.414@news.acns.nwu.edu> mark-brodsky@nwu.edu writ
> >In article <1992Nov5.171451.19647@ncsu.edu> cfmcgarr@eos.ncsu.edu  
> >(CHRISTOPHER F MCGARRAH) writes:
> >> 
> >> Just a curiosity.  Is it possible that Guinan is a Time Lord from the
> >> Dr. Who series?
> >
> >NO.
> 
> She's a Time LADY!
> 
> HEH!
> I've been on about that since they Introduced the character of
> Guinan!  You guys are just slow.

And of course we all know her TARDIS is her hat!


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From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: For Sale: Picard Plate
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:15:25 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Nov13.144655.3935@pro-freedom.cts.com>, pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:

> Have one Picard Plate from cancelled TNG series. Would like to sell soon,
> $200 + shipping

Do you mean the TV program has been canceled or the plate has been canceled?

And who could eat a meal with Jean-Luc staring at you through your food?

> e-mail if interested..

> Dave

Terry "Wasn't Dave the name of the computer from 2001?" Wood
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From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: TOS & TNG/Movie Klingons
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:08:05 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Nov20.045759.15280@netcom.com> jwells@netcom.com (Jason Paul Wells) writes:
>"Robert Oliver, tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com" mentioned something
>about a great difference between the Klingons seen in the Original
>series versus those seen in the Movies or Next Generation.
>
>The reason for this is that the Klingon seen in the old series
>were not true Klingons; rather, they were 'fusions'--a cross breed
>between a true Imperial Klingon and another race, usually human,
>romulan, or orion. The Empire did this for many reasons, but one
>major factor was that they did not want outsiders to know what a
>true Klingon looked like.
>
>Now, there are still a few fusion clans around, but the Imperial
>Klingons have decided that they are no longer needed in the aspect
>of first-contact deception.
>
>Just my views, feel free to object! =)
>
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From: jwells@netcom.com (Jason Paul Wells)
Subject: Re: TOS/TNG Klingons
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:09:27 GMT

tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver) writes:

>**** FASA role-playing material is just as bonafide as information one 
>could glean from a moldy jelly doughnut.

Well EXCUUUUUUUUUSE me!

>Klingon supplement (which I once owned) may be thorough, "beleiveable" or 
>any other word but it is NOT official. FASA made up all the Human/Klingon 
>fusion stuff and everything I have read says that Gene Roddenberry hated 
>the idea. 

That may well be, but there is yet another source that suggests the fusion
theory. Go out and look at the new Playmates Next Generation action figure
toys. Check out the Klingon Gowron. If you read the personal history on
the back of the card, it says "... A pure-bred Klingon, identified by the
distinctive ridge on his head." This would suggest that the Klingons with-
out that ridge are not pure-bred.

Of course, you will simply dismiss this as a stupid toy company's false
information. Go ahead, you won't change my opinion.

>      .. the TOS Klingons actually *did* look like the TNG Klingons -- 
>they just didn't have the budget to do it in the 60's. This is, of 
>course, the ultimate explanation that we must all accept -- make-up 
>limitations on a 1960's television series.

Just curious, but does this also mean that the NCC1701 looked like the
NCC1701D, but they just didn't have the budget to represent it better?? =)

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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: Wesley a weenie-cock ??
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:48:05 GMT

> In the first episode of the second series of ST:TNG when Dr Crusher returns,
> she is asked what she missed about Wesley she said 'about two inches'.
>
> Is it a well known fact that Wesley is only two inches?? If so why then does
> Bev go on to say he has 'come so far so fast..'

I'm sure that's not what she was refering to, but it may still be true...
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: lfinkelstein@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Another Crossover idea
Organization: Clark University
Date: 19 NOV 92 16:58:10 GMT

How about this:

A new crewmeber gets transferred to the Enterprise.  He is a bit pale, has 
wavey blond hair and is immensely strong.  He only works on night shifts, and 
the entire crew starts to get a bit anemic.  

					Loren Finkelstein
					LFINKELSTEIN@VAX.CLARKU.EDU
From: woods@unixg.ubc.ca (Christopher A. Woods)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Guinan
Date: 23 Nov 1992 22:14:44 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

	I am new to the net, so please excuse me if this has been discussed 
elsewhere.  I am curious to know about Guinan.  I have been told various 
stories about her, from a friend of Picard's - obviously that person knew 
nothing, to some kind of superhuman being that watches out for humans.
Anybody out there know the real story.
	Thanks in advance.

	Chris.
 
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From: mkelly@goya.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: What Would be the ULTIMATE cross-over? A Top 10 List
Reply-To: mkelly@goya.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:56:57 GMT

tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
|> vincent@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Victor W. Wong) writes:
|> 
|> > 
|> > 7.  Literary cross-over: The Enterprise falls through a worm-hole
|> >     and winds up in the dimension known as Deva, where Geordi attempts
|> >     to bargain with the natives for replacement parts for the ship.
|> >     They work--but not before a Ferengi contingent arrives ...
|> 
|> First hard one:  No tengo puta idea
|> 

Puh-lease do not tell me that there is a generation out there unfamiliar
with "Myth Adventures"? 

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
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+ mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu          "The more you drive,                    + 
+ mkelly@undhe5.hep.nd.edu                 the less intelligent you are."   +
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From: ecameron@groucho.mrc.uidaho.edu ()
Subject: TAPES NEEDED!
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:30:18 GMT
Organization: uidaho
Reply-To: ecameron@groucho.mrc.uidaho.edu ()



PLEASE HELP A FELLOW TREKKER!  I am trying to collect all of the ST:TNG
shows (seasons 1 - 5 especially; I get season 6 ok).  However, the local
station here that plays it doesn't play them all or in order.  (Lame,
huh)?  Can anyone out there help me out?  (Without me having to pay an
arm and a leg for them -- I'm a poor college student)!

Have pity, 

Thanks in advance...


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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:34:06 EST
From: Jeffrey S. Payne <JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Picard Manuver
 <james.36.721660918@library.nrl.navy.mil> <83902@ut-emx.uucp>

In article <83902@ut-emx.uucp>, aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry
Geurink) says:

>In article <james.36.721660918@library.nrl.navy.mil>
>james@library.nrl.navy.mil
>(James King) writes:

>[stuff about a certain nimble-fingered Frenchman deleted]

>>It's that thing where he does a short warp jump from outside firing range to
>>come right up next to them and start shooting.  Got it.

>BZZZZZZT.  Close.  The Picard maneuver is a quick, short jump to maximum
>warp that provides the opponent with TWO possible targets, only one of them
>real.  The other is the "warp image effect" or some such physics jargon.
>As I recall, it's only possible on ships with VERY fine tuned warp engines;
>the Stargazer had such finely tuned devices; the Enterprise is just too
>BIG.


I might argue that this involves any jump to warp, since "maximum" warp is a
relative concept.   Geordi would certainly argue that the Enterprise has
more finely tuned warp drive than the Stargazer.  I think the Enterprise
could do the Picard Manuver if they allowed for momentum...(so they don't bump
into their target)

There is also another definition (non canon...) of the Picard Manuver, which
is when Picard tugs the bottom of his shirt.  (This is what the young Picard
did in Rascals that was commented upon a long way back)

Jeff Payne
Penn State Ogontz Campus              |Bitnet:   JSP6@PSUVM
Computer Assisted Learning Center     |Internet: payne@toto.oz.psu.edu
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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: What Would be the ULTIMATE cross-over? A Top 10 List
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:27:46 GMT

In article <BxyCou.JtE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
>> 7.  Literary cross-over: The Enterprise falls through a worm-hole
>>     and winds up in the dimension known as Deva, where Geordi attempts
>>     to bargain with the natives for replacement parts for the ship.
>>     They work--but not before a Ferengi contingent arrives ...
>
>First hard one:  No tengo puta idea

Naw, it's easier than the Batman crossover...

Pick up Robert Asprin's "Another Fine Myth", and get ready to buy
the rest of the series...  (No, not "aspirin", "asprin", as in alt.fan.asprin)
-- 
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From: gcs4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gregory Carl Seibert)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Who was selling the Galileo ornament????
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:18:20 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


    I'm looking for the person who was selling the Shuttlecraft Galileo tree
    ornaments.  I responded to your post, and you sent me a reply.  But, when
    I tried to sen you an answer, I got an 'Undelivered Mail' response.
    Please send me your E-mail address, or even your U.S. Mail address so I
    can get in touch with you.
                                                Thanks,
                                                G.C.

                                                gcs4@ns2.cc.lehigh.edu

                                                
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