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From: Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: What's Babylon 5?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:09:08 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Jul29.185144.21282@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>

Most of the heavy Babylon 5 discussion electronically has been centered on 
GEnie and (to a lesser extent) on Compuserve.  On GEnie, there is a couple 
hundred messages a week in the Babylon 5 topic and over the last couple of
months, there has been over 150K bytes of text posted by J. Michael 
Straczynski (that's how big the file was when I captured just his posts).
Now, if Piller and Berman were on here or one of the online services, 
posting several messages a day, answering questions and such about ST:TNG 
and Deep Space Nine, that would get a lot of attention, to say the least.
After getting enough detailed info on Babylon 5, I'll be posting regularly to
USENET to keep the info flowing, but it still doesn't come close to 
how much is going on in the GEnie topic.  Still, with the article in Starlog
this month and additional articles in other magazines, the awareness of
B5 is starting to pick up.  JMS is basically saying that he's been listening
to the fans online and at conventions and thinks he's doing a show that is
what people think science fiction on TV should be.  Definitely spread the
word to other networks and local BBSs when you can, because the word of mouth
may be the most effective way of getting people to watch it.  B5 has a cast
already, a script that has been fine tuned, very detailed backstory, 
a hands-off approach from Warner Bros. (they know they've got a possible 
franchise in the making) and a creator/exec producer who converses with
fans on a regular basis.  There will probably be many connections with
the Original Star Trek (writer like David Gerrold and Harlan Ellison, 
maybe even an actor or two, including the director who directed a ST:TNG 
episode ("Haven") and appeared as an actor in a couple of ST:TOS episodes).

Once JMS has announced the full cast, I'll be posting the full FAQ to 
the net, probably next week sometime.
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From: learnd@lafcol.lafayette.edu (Dave Learn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Date: 26 Jul 92 00:48:39 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.misc, rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Jul25.172053.24591@umbc3.umbc.edu>, cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs106b16) writes:
> 2) When the mention of Romulan Ale being illegal pops up Kirk says they are
> 1000 light-years from Starfleet HQ. How long is this movie (their perspective)
> anyway? Even at Warp 10 it would take a full year to get 1000 ly and I doubt
> they were going that fast!

Ever exaggerate in order to make a point?  Hyperbole, although when examined
closely does not stand up well, makes its point excellently.  In this case,
it's that the Enterprise is far enough removed from Star Fleet HQ that
regulations can be overlooked.

> 3) When the Klingons were under 0 g and were shoot they were thrown backwards.
> Why should this be? A phaser beam has no mass, thus no momentum! By the law of
> momentum they should have stayed exactly where they were 0 g or not.

Lasers have no mass--phasers are phased matter and energy, and have been
shown to exert a physical force.  See ST3:TSFS, where Kirk fires a phaser
at a Klingon on Genesis.  The Klingon is thrown back against a tree and
presumably dies on impact or in the air.  But the phaser blast threw him a
good distance.
     Even if phasers did not exert a mass, there is another perfectly good
reason for this.  When the assassins shot Gorkon et al, bodily fluids
burst through the wounds, and for every action there is a reaction, equal
in force and opposite in direction.

> 4) When playing the detective Spock mentioned that an ancestor of his or
> something to that extent once said something along the lines of, "When that
> which is impossible is eliminated, that which remains, however improbable,
> must be the truth". If I am not mistaken it was Sherlock Holmes (fictional?)
> who is given credit for this quote.

1) Spock has a sense of humor.  Consider his many "arguments" with McCoy in
   which he displays this, such as in "Bread and Circuses" while they are
   in the cell and Spock accuses McCoy of using trial and error to treat
   patients.  In "The Immunity Syndrome," Spock "promotes" McCoy to the
   rank of captain.  In ST5:TFF, Spock even makes some rather painful
   jokes like "Captain, I do not believe you are aware of the gravity of
   your situation."  This reference to his "ancestor" could simply be
   another manifestation of that sense of humor.

2) Spock is half-human and may be descended from Arthur Conan Doyle, who
   wrote the Sherlock Holmes stories.


Dave Learn, Knight of the Wolves         "What an extraordinary thing to
dl20@lafayacs.bitnet                      do--and you only a stutterer."
From: v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: One of the better lines
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:35:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul21.171943.21062@sura.net>, nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn) writes...
> 
>I was watching a rerun of "The Outcast" the other week.  Riker and Soren
>are in the shuttle craft mapping out the null space pocket.  She, never
>taking her eyes off the instrument panel, says:
> 
>	"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."
> 
>About the only time when I've liked Riker's acting.

the look on his face is priceless.  i personally like this episode a lot, 
perhaps for the grilling that riker gets from soren throughout about men and 
women, for nothing else.... :)

 sandra g. + illustrator-for-hire, buffalo ny + v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
  "once i was the king of spain.......................now i eat humble pie. "
                               -- moxy fruvous
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From: avenger@realsoon.WPI.EDU (Sam Pullara)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:11:21 GMT

>>>>> On 27 Jul 92 14:09:53 GMT, hinson@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu (Jason W. Hinson) said:

> In article <1992Jul25.172053.24591@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs106b16@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs10
> 6b16) writes:
> :I just rewatched STVI:TUC on home video and was able to analyze certain things
> :a little better in my home that I was unable to do at the theater. Maybe some
> :of you can answer them:
> :
> ...Stuff deleted
> :
> :3) When the Klingons were under 0 g and were shoot they were thrown backwards.
> :Why should this be? A phaser beam has no mass, thus no momentum! By the law of
> :momentum they should have stayed exactly where they were 0 g or not.

>  
> Actually, even particles with no mass have momentum (p) which is related
> to their energy (E): p = E/c.  But you'd have to have VERY energetic particles
> to have much of an effect (how powerful were those weapons?).
>  
> -Jay

Ok.  Here is a scientific explanation as to why a person gets knocked
back from a phaser blast.  First, what are the properties of a phaser?
Well, according to many episodes it heats things to high temperatures,
like rocks, etc.  Now the momentum from the energy leaving the phaser
is neglidible so a person would get no "kick" from it and the person
it is hitting is not pushed by the momentum of the phaser beam.  When
something is heated up, like a person which is mostly water, it boils.
When enough of the material is vaporized at once you get an explosion,
like if you put a top on a tea kettle and boil the water in it the cap
(if closed, not a whistle kind) will explode off the spout from the
force of the gas.  So if a person is hit by a phaser a good deal of
material in his body is immediately vaporized and rushes away from his
body at high speed and knocks him back.  A phaser blast probably
vaporises a good 2 kg of material (non-canon) from a person with the
gas rushing off at 100-200 m/s.  An 80 kg person would be knocked back
at between 200/80=2.5 m/s and 5 m/s, enough to knock someone against a
tree or move someone through the air in zero-g.

I hope this settles this thread...

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From: bdombrow@triton.unm.edu (brent m 92jun08 dombrowski)
Subject: Bar Trek
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 23:44:04 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Summary: Looking for complete rules to Bar Trek
Keywords: Bar Trek Rules

	I am looking for the complete rules to Bar Trek (both old and new).  If
anyone out there has them, could you PLEASE email them to me.  Thanks in
advance.

Brent Dombrowski (bdombrow@triton.unm.edu)

--
Organization: Junior, IM - MCS/CIT Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:43:59 -0400 
From: Bryan Michael Kearney <bk1a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: New TNG Characters
	<7123569413051@neptune.mcs.anl.gov>

(Ms. Jennifer L. DeBoer) says:

>the senior officers in *Command* are male:  Picard, Riker, Data, Geordi, and
>Worf.  The only 2 female bridge officers are a counselor and a doctor:  both
>are in "caring" roles.  Don't get me wrong; I think that Dr. Crusher and Troi


Now, if I am correct, does not Troi hold equal rank with that of Data? I
dont know where the doctor fits in, but at least Troi is a senior
Officer (assuming that Data is, and assuming that data is a man).

-- bk
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From: kguinn@zephyr.cair.du.edu (Kip J. Guinn)
Subject: Re: New Characters (splitting up the crew?)
Organization: University of Denver
Distribution: canada,usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:23:38 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.232009.13151@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> p5ku@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (BAMFORD) writes:
>
>	I was just reading these discussions, so I thought that I'd put
>in a word or two.  Removing the characters in question from service aboard
>the Enterprise might lead to a larger scope of storylines.  That is,
>suppose Data, Worf, and JLP left to go on to bigger and brighter positions.
>Conceivably, episodes could then be made centering on adventures happening
>to any one of these people, and not just on the Enterprise.  This might
>yield greater scope of plots, something which I feel has been lacking
>this season (save one or two of the episodes).  Besides, the reassignment
>of Chekov in STII and Sulu in STVI didn't really hinder the Enterprise
>(albeit these are not great examples, as both screenplays were written
>with the purpose to bring them back into the action).


This is a good idea (a good start, I should say).  I have always wondered
why (except for the obvious reasons of cost and simplicity) the writers
do not "explore the ship", i.e. have episodes that dea lwith some of the
enliste personnel, some of the other deaprtments/areas of the ship, etc.
I would like to get to know the BIG E more; I have the bridge memorized...

An episode where the focus is on a different set or people, showing 
how they react, etc, would be nice...

Kip
From: althof5805@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Newthread: TNG Fashion
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:48:58 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In response to the "unfashionable" statement about dress on off-duty
characters...

Lwaxana Troi usually has something interesting to wear (or not to wear as the
nude wedding scene indicated).  I like her outfits!

Starfleet "off-duty" uniforms or "non-com" uniforms *are* indeed boring, but,
when you consider that they're pretty much unisex spare clothing sets, you get
used to it.  Yar (as I recall) broke the mold (shall we say *shattered* it) in
"The Naked Now" when she donned a Cher-like slut outfit to get Data.

Most of the "aliens" that the ship meets wear neat things.  This is a saving
grace.  I don't know what I'd do, though, if I couldn't count on being able to
see Jean-Luc's chest every now and then thanks to his fantastic nightwear!

Peace in the galaxy-
--Stephanie
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: ZZZZZZZZ
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:57:28 GMT

In article <15673@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
writes:
>Yawn. This group sure is boring during the off-season!
>Can't wait for fall and more Tim Lynch reviews!
>
>Richard
>
I hear that. No real good rumors for next season or anything!

I've even stopped watching the STTNG reruns and began watching "Raven" on CBS.

I must be losing it.

-- Brian
brian_vickers@isd.jpl.nasa.gov
From: raddy@fanbelt.unf.edu (Cliff Addy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Cause & Effect:  2 questions
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:10:38 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville

In article <SMARGARI.92Jul25230139@emmy.nmsu.edu> smargari@nmsu.edu (Susan Margarit) writes:
>We just saw the rerun of Cause and Effect tonight and wanted to ask 2
>questions of fellow net trek readers:
>
>My question:  Did the enterprise crew die each time they went through
>the loop, and if so, how would you explain how they were "resurrected"?
>

I was bothered by this too, until I thought about it some more.  I think that the Enterprise
*itself* was not transported back in time, merely the echo of the destruction.  The antimatter
explosion from the core breach that caused the time warp required the destruction of the E, so
the ship itself could not go back.  Was happened (I think) is that the temporal distortion
allowed a portion of some EM-type emmisions to "leak" back in time, causing the deja' vu and
voices.  Maybe???
From: gbrach@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Sirtis's English accent
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:46:39 -0700
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1992Jul21.165115.20468@sura.net>, nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn) writes:

> Marina Sirtis might be of partial Greek descent, but one's accent is not
> determined by parentage.  She spent most of her adult life in England.
> Her accent is English.

To be precise about it:  she was educated in England (I know, I know, that's
part of growing up there B-{)!!), and thus picked up the accent from the people
who taught her.  I have cousins in Israel who demonstrate the same knack of
speaking English with British accents:  most of their English teachers also
learned from Brits.

Ciao.
-- 
Gabor Brach.        "There's Klingons on the starboard bow,
Victoria, B. C.      starboard bow, starboard bow,
(Lotus-land)         There's Klingons on the starboard bow, sir."
                                 _Star Trekking_
                                  The Firm

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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: New Characters (splitting up the crew?)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 21:38:51 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico
Distribution: canada,usa

Concerning the rumored departures of Worf, Data, and Picard:

	It's interesting to note that none of the three states that they dislike
their roles.  In the case of Spiner and Dorn, it's the makeup (also I imagine
that Spiner's back might be a bother), while Picard merely wants new challenges.

	Losing Worf would be a problem, but who's to say that means losing Dorn
as well???  I believe (it's rumored) that Dorn will be appearing sans makeup in
an episode next season.  Could Worf leave next year, only to be replaced by a
new human crew member, played by Michael Dorn?  If I were Dorn, I'd jump at the
chance to create TWO characters in the Star Trek world.  Hey, it worked for 
Mark Lenard and Majel Barrett!

	Several people have suggested that Spiner lose the makeup and be kept on
the show.  While I would, too, like to see this happen, he seems to be the
most likely departure from the show.

	Yes, that includes the good captain, though he's more dispensable (from
the show's POV) than Spiner.  The original post suggested Stewart was pleased
with the results of "Inner Light"; more innovative scripts might do wonders for
Stewart's contract situation.  Of course, they could also dangle mre carrots
about directing...


-- 
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I AM a Junior Stathead.  Flame me; it's fun!  I'm a shutmouthed, selfless idiot!
Latest Attempted Compiler of the R.S.BB FAQ - Now Accepting Submissions...(hint)
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From: jfinn@ll.mit.edu
Subject: ST Posters
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 18:51:56 GMT

I was in my local library the other day and noticed a Star Trek poster
hanging on the wall.  Along the top it said "Explore strange new worlds"
and below it it said "READ".  It has a picture of the big seven bridge crew
from TWOK, each holding a book.  Above them is the USS Reliant, and on both
sides are nebulous clouds.  It is a great picture of the crew and I was
happy to see it in the library.  I asked the librarian about it and she
said that I could order one from The American Library Association catalog
(which she gave to me).  I looked inside and saw not only TWOK poster,
but a poster of Patrick Stewart wearing normal clothes, holding a book by
Shakespeare.  The caption is "Discover the feeling.  Learn to read."
If anyone is interested in getting these, the phone number is 1-800-545-2433.
The catalog I have is a little old (fall 1991/winter 1992).  The posters
are on page 22.  

Patrick Stewart poster (#936) $6.00
Star Trek Poster       (#929) $6.00
Star Trek Bookmarks (same picture as poster?) (#930) 200 for $7.00

Also available:
Patrick Stewart television spots video - 5 spots urging adults to learn
                                         to read, etc.
(#939) $35.00

Patrick Stewart radio spots - two 30 sec. spots, one English, one Spanish
Reel (#937)
Cassette (#938)
$6.00

Joe
jfinn@ll.mit.edu
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Subject: Re: New TNG Characters
From: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan, Idiot)
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:31:39 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <14753@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
> In article <saurav.712518141@cory.Berkeley.EDU> saurav@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Saurav Chatterjee) writes:
>>I will stop watching this show if Ensign Ro becomes a regular
>>character on this show.
> 
> I'll bite.  Why?
> 
>>If Picard leaves (it would be a shame),
>>then they should have Riker as captain and Shelby as first officer.
>>The reverse is possible, but unlikely since in the Borg episode
>>Riker was clearly above her in rank.
> 
> But that does bring up an interesting possibility for a story... after
> her meteoric rise in Starfleet following her stellar handling of the
> rebuilding of the Federation fleet after the Borg attack (after all,
> everything seemed back to normal three episodes later), CAPTAIN April
								  ^^^^^
		Just curious, but where is this established?  I don't
		remember it from BOBW, but could be wrong. Is this
		from Vendetta?



> Shelby is transferred to the Enterprise.  Riker gets stiffed once again
> for the captain's chair and finds himself as first officer to the woman
> he'd viewed as a cold-blooded b*tch.  It wouldn't last long, but it
> would certainly do a lot in adding conflict and character to the show... :-)
-- 
Sean C. Duncan, scd@einstein.bgsu.edu :: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
"On his way back to the lobby, his cigarettes forgotten, he had to walk the
length of the ranked phones.  Each rang in turn, but only once, as he passed."
                                              - William Gibson
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From: jeffery@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT)
Subject: Re: What's Babylon 5?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:51:44 GMT

In article <63038@cup.portal.com> Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.com writes:
>Babylon 5 is a new show being produced as part of a consortium of stations
>by Warner Bros.  It will debut in Feb '93.  I've been posting info on the 

>A lot of Star Trek fans seem to be looking forward to B5 more than DS9 and

I am on both FidoNet and Inter-Net quite often now.  I never heard of Babylon
5 until I came here and got the FAQ from ftp.coe.montana.edu.  I have close
friends that are BIG Sci-FI fans that have never heard of B5.  We have known
about DSN since February.  People out on Fido know little if anything about
B5.  The Sci-Fi Community is plenty large enough for both, but I don't know
how B5 will do if word doesn't get out.  I am please with what I've read and
I would like both it and DSN to work.

I found 2 GIFs of B5 at that FTP site, does anyone know of others, or of any
gifs for Deep Space Nine?  Let me know please!

Eric Jeffery (jeffery@ucsu.colorado.edu)



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From: michael_robbins@mentorg.com
Subject: Re: New TNG Characters
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:24:29 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation
Keywords: riker, shelby

In article <14753@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog
here...) writes:
>
>But that does bring up an interesting possibility for a story... after
>her meteoric rise in Starfleet following her stellar handling of the
>rebuilding of the Federation fleet after the Borg attack (after all,
>everything seemed back to normal three episodes later), CAPTAIN April
>Shelby is transferred to the Enterprise.  Riker gets stiffed once again
>for the captain's chair and finds himself as first officer to the woman
>he'd viewed as a cold-blooded b*tch.  It wouldn't last long, but it
>would certainly do a lot in adding conflict and character to the show... :-)
>

I doubt this will happen.....

I can't remember (and I don't have a tape) but wasn't Shelby some sort of
specialist (in the command line) before she came to the Big E to save the day?
Also, wasn't she a Lt. Commander when she arrived, being given the rank (temp?)
of Commander only after Riker made her first officer (and I assume gave her the
rank)?

Given this is true (which knowing my brain cells, it may not be), how would a
green first officer become a Captain?  Especially on the flagship.

In addition, Riker has been literally begged to take the big chair (how many
times -- 3?).  Plus, he is also seen as a mega hero (after all he was in
command of the ship that wasted the Borg).

I think it would be interesting with her as Riker's Exec though (real
interesting).  The interactions between Shelby and Worf (obviously) and Troi
would merit a few good stories if not a nice constant side line.  However,
Paramount won't want to spend the money rebuilding all of the sets that the two
of those ego-be-us officers would blast and so Picard will be back.

Mick
(michael_robbins@mentorg.com)