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From: jmf@endor.harvard.edu ( ghost )
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Nic Jones; was: Re: Dick Gaughan!!!
Date: 13 Nov 92 22:02:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Nov13.220234.8073
Organization: DAS Purchasing, Harvard University

In article <1992Nov12.102542.7159@fmg.bt.co.uk> pky@fmg.bt.co.uk (Pete Young) writes:
> ghost (jmf@endor.harvard.edu) wrote:
>: but he can certainly still arrange;
>: June Tabor on her last USA tour performed a version of Anachy Gordon
>: that she announced as being arranged by Jones,

>I doubt if this was a recent arrangement. Jones recorded Anachy Gordon
>on "The Noah's Ark Trap" .

Shows what I know...I was also told this by mail.

A lot of my favorite songs by Tabor were, I think, arranged/played on by Jones.
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: mark@oracorp.com (Mark Bickford)
Subject: Re: Top Ten Folk Albums
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:27:36 GMT

Here are some that I have listened to repeatedly and were/are
influential in my musical life.

"Handful of Earth" by Dick Gaughan
"Broken-hearted I'll Wander" Dolores Keane & John Faulkner
"The Heathery Breeze" Matt Molloy
"Hard Times"  Red Clay Ramblers
"The Storm" Moving Hearts
"Best of Missippi John Hurt"
"Trian"  Liz Carroll, Billy McComisky, & Daithi Sproule
"Lookout Blues" James Bryan
"Jazz" Ry Cooder
"Original Underground Music from the Mysterious South"
    Norman Blake, Peter Ostrusko, et al
From: jkirby@ua.d.umn.edu (/kur'- bee/)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Lyrics: The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:25:40 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ua.d.umn.edu

Before you spark up the flame throwers, I *know* this dosen't belong here.
But I've never been a stickler for convention.  =)

Previously rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) wrote:
->Today, November 10, is the anniversary of the loss of the ore carrier
->Edmund Fitzgerald, which disappeared in 1975 on Lake Superior.  Since
->there's been some recent discussion about this song, along with requests
->for the lyrics, I thought I'd take this opportunity to send them along.
->Consider it a bit of sentimentality: I was working at a midwest radio
->station the night this happened, and heard some of the marine and
->shortwave band radio traffic as the storm worsened, including one of
->the last messages from the ship.  I stayed where I was through the
->night and into the next morning listening to the frantic search
->that followed...but as you probably know, nothing was found.
->
->If you ever have the chance to stand on the shores of Lake Superior
->during an early winter storm, you'll only have to close your eyes to
->see the Edmund Fitzgerald out there somewhere.
->
->---Rsk


I Live in Duluth, MN right on the south-western most point of the lake and I
can attest to its ferocity.  Lookin out my living room window watching the
sun rise over the lake makes boats as large as the Edmund (*very* large ships
up close) look like toy boats.  In fact, the harbor (suposedly safe) lost a
coupla tugs last week when swells of over 20 ft and 60 mph winds started
coming off of the lake.  If you can stand the cold it is a sight to behold.

Anyway, to the point.  I saw, and heard, Gordon Lightfoot in concert here in
1990, on Nov 10, the 15th anniversary of the sinking of the Edmund F.  It was
an extremely solemn day citywide, and the concert was one of the best
sitdowns I've ever been to.  I am huge Lightfoot fan since.

Obreq:  I've had the lyrics for this song for quite some time but have never
been quite able to make out the changes.  If someone could post the chords Id
be most appreciative.  Hell, ANY Gordon Lightfoot would be fantastic.

graci,
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From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Who did "Michael Row the Boat"?
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:34:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: ringer.1992Nov12.033439.23819
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <lg3i4qINNqga@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> acm@Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae) writes:
>What was the name of the folk group that had the hit recording of
>"Michael row the boat ashore" in the late fifties / early sixties?
>
>						Andrew MacRae
>						
>
>

The Brothers Four, one of the more successful of the Preppie groups (white
socks and loafers, mid-sleeve calypso shirts and banjo, that sprung up in
the wake of the success of the Kingston Trio.  They also had a hit called
"The Green Leaves of Summer,"  good song featured in the soundtrack of John
Wayne's _The Alamo_.

TH
From: krj@netsun.cl.msu.edu (Ken Josenhans)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Ultimate top 10 of folkalbums
Keywords: top10, folkalbums
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:18:02 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <s0319198.11.0@let.rug.nl> s0319198@let.rug.nl 
     (E.B. Meijerink) writes:
>A friend of mine recently asked me what would be the best ten albums to buy 
>for a 'novice' in folkmusic. Being a relative newcomer myself I couldn't 
>give him an adequate answer. I know that everybody has his/her own taste in 
>music and that it's therefore hard to make an objective top 10. Bearing this 
>in mind: Could somebody help me?
>Erik Meijerink           
>University of Groningen 
>The Netherlands         

My tastes are hopelessly warped from 17 years of British Isles & European
Electric Folk, Folk-rock and Pop-Folk, but here's what I'd pick for a 
novice:

1.   Steeleye Span, PARCEL OF ROGUES.
2.   Fairport Convention, A HISTORY OF FAIRPORT CONVENTION or 
                          FAIRPORT CHRONICLES
3.   The Oyster Band, LIE BACK AND THINK OF ENGLAND  (The last album they
                          did which was dominated by traditional songs)
4.   Peter Paul & Mary, LATE AGAIN
5.   Pyewackett, THE MAN IN THE MOON DRINKS CLARET
6.   Maddy Prior & June Tabor, SILLY SISTERS
7.   Clannad, CLANNAD IN CONCERT  (or CLANNAD 2)
8.   Malicorne, ALMANACH
9.   Ashley Hutchings, THE COMPLEAT DANCING MASTER  (or MORRIS ON)
10.  Michelle Shocked, THE TEXAS CAMPFIRE TAPES
                              (or SHORT SHARP SHOCKED, or ARKANSAS TRAVELLER)

Items 3 & 5 are out of print and may be very tough to find.
-- 
--Ken Josenhans
    Internet: 13020KRJ@msu.edu      Bitnet: 13020KRJ@msu
From: drchip@cup.portal.com (MYRON A LIEBERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Who wrote these funny songs?
Date: Sat,  7 Nov 92 23:30:13 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

>-One's called "The Vatican Rag." Someone said it could be by Tom
> Paxton...

Wrong Tom. Vatican Rag was a Tom Lehrer song.
From: frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Frank - Hardware Hacker - Borger)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Edman Fitzgerald?
Summary: Source and Story
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:04:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: rover.5NOV199208045428
Reply-To: frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Organization: Joint Center for Radiation Therapy
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov4.171300.4137@icd.ab.com>, collicot@brutus.aa.ab.com (Duane E. Collicott) writes...
> (Long part deleted)
>My information is from the video, my visit to the museum, several written 
>accounts of the wreck (books and museum material), my Lk. Superior dive chart,
>and my "Yooper" friend.  There are many books about Lk. Superior shipwrecks, if 
>your interest takes you there.  

	If your interest is in lake ships, one more recommendation. The
	city of Duluth MN has a restored lake boat on display. The tour of
	the boat is quite interesting. 

	They have some pictures shot on the ship during a storm with the
	deck canted at least at a 45 degree angle from the horizon. Yes, the
	lakes do get some heavy weather.

   Frank R. Borger - Physicist    __       Internet:  Frank@rover.uchicago.edu
Michael Reese - Univ. of Chicago |___      Phone : 312-791-8075 fax : 567-7455
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                                   | \|_)  face, you're losing your ass.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: pavlovic@ehsc.orst.edu (James Pavlovich)
Subject: Re: Folk Sampler song
Organization: Environmental Health Sciences Center, Oregon State University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 04:29:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.212359.913@nwnexus.WA.COM> wjones@halcyon.com (Warren Jones) writes:

>fnsjc@acad3.alaska.edu writes:

>>I heard a song on last week's Folk Sampler that I was going to 
>>remember to look up later , and now I hardly remember anything about 
>>it.  The main line went something like "I keep on singing" or "I have 
>>to keep on singing" or "i just keep on singing" or something (I wish I 
>>remembered it better).

>Did it go something like this ?

>       My life goes on in endless song
>       Above earth's lamentations
>       I hear the real, though far-off hymn
>       That hails a new creation.

>       Through all the tumult and the strife
>       I hear it's music ringing,
>       It sounds an echo in my soul.
>       How can I keep from singing?

>       When tyrants tremble in their fear
>       And hear their death knell ringing,
>       When friend rejoice both far and near
>       How can I keep from singing?

>       In prison cell and dungeon vile
>       Our thoughts to them are winging,
>       When friends by shame are undefiled
>       How can I keep from singing?

>I copied the lyrics from Enya's "Shepard Moons" CD, but
>to tell the truth I don't much care for her version.
>I think Pete Seeger has recorded this, and probably a
>bunch of other people besides.  No credits on my recording --
>I suspect it's traditional, public domain.  Anyone care
>to correct me?
>-- 
>Warren Jones
><wjones@halcyon.com>

On my copy of Arlo Guthrie/Pete Seeger's "Precious Friend"  album it is 
credited to Doris Plenn Copyright 1964 Sanga Music Inc. BMI.  Also after the 
second verse above two more verses are inserted in this version:

What though the tempest 'round me roars
I know the truth it liveth
What though the darkness 'round me close
Songs in the night it giveth

No storm can shake my inmost calm
While to that rock I'm clinging
Since love is Lord of Heaven and Earth
How can I keep from singing.

James 
(pavlovij@ucs.orst.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Ann Mortifee! (was Re: Lorena KcKennit, Loreena McKennitt
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:49:26 GMT

In article <15384@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <BxBIuM.M73@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
>|Its that time of the month again! 9-)
>|
>|Like stunning vocals? Get some of Ann Mortifee's tapes! "Baptism"
>|in particular. Strangely enough she's from Vancouver too....
>|
>|Anyone else hear her music yet? I post these little messages every
>|couple months..
>
>And I've been looking for her tapes since you posted about her a couple
>of months ago.  Where can they be found?

I've been looking for my previous posting for a while and can't 
find it so I'll write a new one...

The place to order Ann Mortifee's music is:

Jabula Records
PO Box 91699
West Vancouver, BC V7V 3P3.
Canada.

Most of her music is only available on tape; the LPs are 
often gone altogether. One CD is available, called "Serenade
at the Doorway".

Here is the latest catalog:

Serenade at the Doorway 	CD, $22 (Canadian)

Bright Encounter
Born to Live
Journey to Kairos
Baptism				Cassettes, $15 (Canadian)

Shipping included.

Also: 

Jacque Brel Lives
Reflections on Crooked Walking
The Ecstasy of Rita Joe

which are listed in an earlier catalog and may not be avaialble
any longer.

Tell 'em you heard about it on the Net, and Iskandar sent you  9-)
Maybe we can get them to re-release "Baptism" on CD.

I've bought four so far:


My pick of the lot is "Baptism", which is described as "songs of 
love and wonder". This one has the three songs played on "Weekend 
Radio" all the time.. "Baptism", "Evening Falls" and the incredible
"The Moonlight". The songs are short and stay with you for hours
afterwards.

"Journey to Kairos" ("intense, passionate and powerful") also falls 
under the "shivers up the spine" category. The songs are longer so 
are perhaps a little more amorphous and less memorable.

Didn't like "Bright Encounter" much.. too much like light Rock.

"Rita Joe" was actually a play or ballet with ONE spine tingler 
on it. 

I'd appreciate it if you sent me mail after listening to these..I 
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: robd@cherry09.cray.com (Robert Derrick)
Subject: Lyric Request: Christmas Comes But Once A Year
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:02:32 CST

Any help is appreciated  !!!

Looking to fill in the holes in the following:

    Christmas Comes But Once A Year
      Golden Bough - from Winter's Dance
    
    On the road the frost is glistening
    People stream from Midnight Mass
    Friendly candles glow in windows
    Strangers greet you as you pass
     Come in to the laden table
     Ham and goose and pints of beer
     Whiskey handed round in tumblers
     Christmas comes but once a year
    
    [     ] made with eggs and treacle
    Seeded raisins [     ]
    Sifted breadcrumbs, [     ] spices
    Grated rind, and plenty food
     Cinnamon, ginger, cloves and nutmeg
     [                                ]
     Don't forget the wine and whiskey
     Christmas comes but once a year
    
    Women fussin' in the kitchen
    Lay the food on every plate
    Men are patient in the hallways
    Quaffin' porter as they wait
     Who cares if we're full tomorrow
     Now's the time to spread good cheer
     Pass the punch around the table
     Christmas comes but once a year
--
    
rob derrick				robd@cherry.cray.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: priley@convex.com (Patrick Riley)
Subject: Re: Lyrics: The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:51:02 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Nov11.151452.24191@news.clarkson.edu> walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,) writes:

>From article <96950@netnews.upenn.edu>, by rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec):
>> Today, November 10, is the anniversary of the loss of the ore carrier
>> Edmund Fitzgerald, which disappeared in 1975 on Lake Superior.  Since
>> there's been some recent discussion about this song, along with requests
>> for the lyrics, I thought I'd take this opportunity to send them along.
>> Consider it a bit of sentimentality: I was working at a midwest radio
>> station the night this happened, and heard some of the marine and
>> shortwave band radio traffic as the storm worsened, including one of
>> the last messages from the ship.  I stayed where I was through the
>> night and into the next morning listening to the frantic search
>> that followed...but as you probably know, nothing was found.
>> 
>> If you ever have the chance to stand on the shores of Lake Superior
>> during an early winter storm, you'll only have to close your eyes to
>> see the Edmund Fitzgerald out there somewhere.
>> 
>> ---Rsk
>> 
>No one has mentioned the Mary Ellen Carter (sp?). This song is sung by
>Stan Rogers. Was it a real ship; if so where was it lost and when
>(anyone know)?

>													GW

On Gordon Lightfoot's "Sunday Concert" album, there's a song called 
"Ballad of the Yarmouth(sp) Castle".  It's about a fire aboard a
ship.  Was this a real ship?  Good song too.

Patrick
From: patricia@cs.utexas.edu (Patricia M. Burson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: re: Folk Sampler
Date: 6 Nov 1992 11:02:30 -0600
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.cs.utexas.edu

The song "How Can I Keep From Singing" is also known as the Quaker hymn. 
The part which starts "No storm can shake ..." is the refrain. 
Done a capella in a small chapel with an enthusiastic congregation 
it can be quite stirring - almost as much as "and I will raise the roof" 
Oops, that's "I Am The Bread Of Life" :) 
(Really, no disrespect intended - it's one of my favourite songs!)

-patricia
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: wrp@pslsrv1.gvl.unisys.com (Bill Pringle)
Subject: Re: Never mind about copies of "Circles & Arrows"
Organization: Paramax Systems, Ivyland, PA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 02:17:37 GMT

In article <6652@news.duke.edu> tbd@neuro.duke.edu (Tristan Davies) writes:
>Well, apparently I waited too long to make my offer to buy copies of
>Cheryl Wheeler's album.  By the time I got enough replies to justify
>a return trip to the store, all the copies were gone, much to my dismay.
>
>I appreciate the response, though; it shows there's a market (well, at
>least five people) for her next album.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I mentioned in an earlier post that the new Ladyslipper catalogue
claims to still have a few cassettes available for $9.98.

Call: 1-800-634-6044

I have no connection to Ladyslipper other than being a satisfied customer.
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From: bschlesinger@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Barry Schlesinger)
Subject: Re: Who did "Michael Row the Boat"?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:25:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.033439.23819@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes) writes...
>In article <lg3i4qINNqga@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> acm@Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae) writes:
>>What was the name of the folk group that had the hit recording of
>>"Michael row the boat ashore" in the late fifties / early sixties?
>>
>>						Andrew MacRae
>>						
>>
>>
> 
>The Brothers Four, one of the more successful of the Preppie groups (white
>socks and loafers, mid-sleeve calypso shirts and banjo, that sprung up in
>the wake of the success of the Kingston Trio.  They also had a hit called
>"The Green Leaves of Summer,"  good song featured in the soundtrack of John
>Wayne's _The Alamo_.
> 
>TH
> 

Uh, actually the Highwaymen.  They called it just "Michael".
From: al@nmt.edu (Al Stavely)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Pirate Music Anyone?
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:33:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: nmt.1992Nov11.163343.11828
Organization: New Mexico Tech, USA

In article <6906@news.duke.edu> cjs@phy.duke.edu (Carl Schnurr) writes:
>This group seems to enjoy odd questions, so here goes....
>
>I'm interested in finding some cd's containing "pirate" music.  You
>know, "Yo-ho, my lads" and all that--mostly for atmosphere for a party
>I'm going to have.  Does such a thing exist?  I have the "yo-ho,
>yo-ho, a pirate's life for me" song from Disney's pirates of the 
>caribbean (of course, I wouldn't survive the evening if I played this 
>2 minute track over and over again).  Any help with groups, titles, 
>etc., is appreciated.
>
>In a related question, does the music that we (or at least, I) think
>of as "pirate" music bear any resemblance to the music that pirates were
>likely to sing/play, or is it largely a construct of the motion-picture
>studios?
>

How about Gilbert and Sullivan's "Pirates of Penzance"?  I'm sure there are
plenty of good recordings on the market, although I don't know any specifics.
That should make good party music.

I suspect that any real traditional songs you find that feature piracy are a
whole lot less jolly.  After all, piracy was mostly a matter of robbery and
murder, with the pirates usually caught and hanged at the end.  Try the
excellent ballad "The Flying Cloud", for example (sorry, I can't cite a
recording offhand).  Also (not traditional, but along the right lines) Stan
Rogers' "Barrett's Privateers".


-- 

	- Allan Stavely, New Mexico Tech, USA
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Dick Gaughan!!!
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:38:43 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

cimo@cs.montana.edu (Bob Cimikowski) wrote:
> Gaughan is also one of my favorites.  Yet, there isn't much talk about him
> on the net, so COME ON GAUGHAN FANS, LET'S HEAR SOME!!!

Gaughan is pretty good.  But he has one habit I find damn irritating in a
political singer.  When you're trying to rouse a rabble and get them to sing
along with you, they're only going to be able to do it if you keep your metre
predictable: instead, Gaughan inserts speed-ups at apparently random moments
in the song so the audience gets left behind.  I've never come across any
other singer who did this; anyone know when he started this stunt and why?
Is it a musical statement about his self-image as being one of the "one step
beyond" vanguard?...

What is that song he sings that ends a raging denunciation of capitalists
with "... when you are dust in the tomb"?  I think it's American.  Has he
recorded it?

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From: ppalmier@MtHolyoke.edu (Patricia S. Palmiere)
Subject: Indigo
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:05:38 GMT


Does anyone know where and when the Indigos are now and will be in the
recent future?  I appreciate any and all information that you have.
From: dmr@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Daniel Rosenblum)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: REQ: 'Flower of Scotland'/'Scotland the Brave'/'Hamish Henderson'
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:54:44 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University, Graduate School of Management, Newark, N.J.

Just to add a little more to Gary A. Martin's quoting of
the extensive notes on Hamish Henderson from Ed Miller's
albums, Ian Watson, in _Song_and_Democratic_Culture_in_
_Britain_, discusses the "Freedom Come All Ye", the "John
MacLean March", and one other that I can't remember the
name of but that Dick Gaughan recorded and that he
described as Henderson's greeting to the coal miners of
I forgot where in the USSR (now former) from the coal
miners of Scotland.  Henderson also wrote, as I mentioned
in another post, the words to "Banks of Sicily", and he
also wrote the wonderful "D-Day Dodgers" to the tune of
"Lili Marlene".

In the early 1980's, I heard Dick Gaughan mention that
Henderson had been a Communist, but that he broke with
the Communists to join the Scots Nationalists.  Gaughan
didn't agree with that particular decision, because, he
said, the Scots Nationalists believe that an independent
Scotland would be socialist, and he saw no way that NATO
would allow an independent socialist Scotland for more
than about five seconds.  After all, he pointed out,
look what happened in Chile, which hadn't nearly the
strategic or economic importance (location & oil) of
Scotland.
-- 
Daniel M. Rosenblum, Assistant Professor, Quantitative Studies Area,
   Graduate School of Management, Rutgers University (Newark Campus)
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