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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: INSURANCE RATES?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:17:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.225143.25361@spectrum.xerox.com> mdennie@beryllium.mc.xerox.com writes:
>In article uupcb@yob.sccsi.com, erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) writes:
>> Man, that's bad!  I thought I was in the pitts!  I'm 18, drive a 91'
>>Integra GS coupe with a perfect record and crank out $1280 every 6
>>months for full coverage.  All I know is Houston is a hell place to live
>>and pay for auto insurance cause of all the auto thefts.  Hate to see
>>what the rates are in New Jersey!
>>
>>
>>Erich
>>erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com
>>                                            
>
>I don`t feel sorry for any 18 yr old driving a `91 Integra GS no matter 
>what his insurance rates. :-)
>
>
>---
>--Matt Dennie                              Internet: mmd.wbst207v@xerox.com

	You think that is expensive, the Integra atleast is fairly new and 
actually an "enthusiast's car."  I drive a '87 Civic HB (Dx, not Si), and
have a clean record, as in NO Tix, and if I were home, I don't have my car at
school, I'd pay around $1700 per anum.  Now, I live in the National Capital
Area, but...  Anyway, I don't think that, considering the circumstances, the
$2500 is too much.  My friend pays $2100 on his '91 Civic Dx.  Anyway, Matt's
right. :-)  BTW, I'm 18, too...


-- 
 Chintan Amin  The University of Illinois, Urbana Champaign  c-amin1@uiuc.edu
  "Public speaking is very easy!" <-- Quayle 10/88  ;-)
  "Unfortunately, the people of Louisiana are not racists" <-- Quayle, 10/12/90
NeXTMail Accepted at cka52397@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu  Go Illini Holiday Bowl 1992
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Lexus Commericals
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:34:35 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

>In article <PHR.93Jan22234051@napa.telebit.com> phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:
>
>   I haven't seen these commercials but Chrysler (or maybe it was Ford)
>   did something similar about 15 years ago.  They had a series of ads
>   for some luxocruiser where they did things like serve tea in the
>   back seat.
>
In article <MJKOBB.93Jan23141047@media-lab.media.mit.edu> mjkobb@media.mit.edu (Michael J Kobb) writes:
>
>And then there was the classic SNL pseudo-commercial for some big
>luxury car where they drove over a potholed road as a Rabbi
>performed a circumcision in the back seat.  Let's see Lexus match
>this!!  :-) :-)
>

   Matched only by SNL's commercial for the "Die-Hard Pacemaker
   Battery" with the slowly collapsing crew of geriatrics on the
   surface of the infamous "frozen lakebed in northern Minnesota".

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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:06:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.154128.19099@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> rrk@vixen.cc.bellcore.com (kutz,randolph r) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.141549.16369@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:
>> 
>> I'd like to conduct an informal poll here: what do the gentle readers of this
>> group think is the WORST car being made today???  (And why?)  It must be a 
>> car still being manufactured, so a 1975 Dodge Dart doesn't count.  :-)
>> 
>> This should generate some healthy debate...
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Ford Tempo.  I have a 1988 Tempo with 29K miles.  So far it has needed:
>right tie-rod end, 3 alignments, 4 new tires (see previous), passenger-side
>power-window motor, catalytic converter, muffler twice & exhust system once,
>battery, oxygen sensor, fuel pump, ignition lock, and maybe one or two
>others I forget.  In addition, it stalls at red lights, the radio is
>erratic, sometimes the power windows stick, and the paint job has little
>white blotches all over it.  I believe strongly in preventative maintenance,
>washing and waxing.  I've had several other cars, but this one amazes me.
>Truly a wonder car.
>

my old 86 escort gt was built with this type of 'quality is job1', obvously
ford extended this 'quality to 1988 and perhaps beyond.  at least now they
let mazda make their escorts so they should outlast the warranty now.
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From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: Rain-X?
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:32:42 GMT

In article <C1Iyny.5Ds@utdallas.edu> goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes:
>Does this product really work?
>
>If so, are their any side-effects, or consequences?

Yes it works.
Don't use it on the inside, just the outside.
Make sure you've got a good haze, then wipe vigorously with a clean, dry
paper towel.  Your glass should then be slippery-smooth.
From: johnmay@cs.ucsd.edu (John May)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Lexus Commericals
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:57:27 GMT

phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:

>In article <C1AKqn.M7K@acsu.buffalo.edu> v064mb9k@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (NEIL GANDLER) writes:

>     I think Lexus commercials are so unique and successfull that many
>   automakers including Chrysler with their Lh commericals are doing 
>   the same.

>I haven't seen these commercials but Chrysler (or maybe it was Ford)
>did something similar about 15 years ago.  They had a series of ads
>for some luxocruiser where they did things like serve tea in the
>back seat.

There was one for Lincoln in which a guy was cutting a valuable
diamond in the back seat as the car cruised along some city streets.
As the decisive blow was made with the mallet, the diamond cutter
exclaims "Perfect!"

Saturday Night Live (I think) did a wicked parody of this ad in
which a circumcision was being performed in the back seat with the
car was bouncing over some potholes.  Naturally, you couldn't see
the job being done, but at the decisive moment, the rabbi exclaims
"Poifect!" and you hear the sound of a baby crying.
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket in OKlahoma --- what's SP8?
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:58:25 GMT
Reply-To: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: usa
Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.

In article <1jt9g9INNgg5@uwm.edu> greis@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>From article <1993Jan23.191153.6674@borland.com>, by dave@borland.com (Dave):
>
>> In article <1993Jan20.174211.14992@microware.com> troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks) writes:
>>>There are two schools of thought when it comes to fighting speeding tickets:
>>>1) pay it, it's not worth the time to fight.  Consider it random road-use-tax.
>
>Uh, There are 3 schools...
>
>The third is to accept reality that you were caught being bad, make
>restitution, and not make the same mistake in the future.

	Bullshit.  Speeding (within reason) is only bad because the
government says so.  No high and mighty morality got handed down from
anywhere that says if you go so much as one mph over the limit then you're
going straight to Hell.

>> 	It isn't the price of the ticket this gets me going. I consider
>> 	the whole idea of speeding tickets as revenue enhancement at the
>> 	cost of the average joe citizen. The things that really kills me
>
>Why, YOURE RIGHT! They're the government! Why do they need money from
>us, joe citizens? Hell they can just PRINT MORE!

	This is as specious a statement as they come, and is purely
argumentative.  I regret wasting the bandwidth to expose it for what it is.

>> 	is that the price of the ticket is usually the least of my worries.
>> 	I worry about how many YEARS I will pay HUNDREDS of dollars to the
>> 	insurance company all because some town/state needed some money so
>> 	they sent the tax troopers, exceuse me .. police, out to raise some
>> 	money.
>
>Hmmm, that we share... The price of your ticket is the least of my
>worries as well... I worry about you causing some accident because you
>are of superior driving ability and know it. Some poor old man who
>(*OBVIOUSLY*) doesn't belong on the highway in the first place might
>be so taken aback by suddenly seeing you come up on him, he might
>swerve and hit someone else while you're long gone and don't know
>the difference... Or better yet, while you're doing 60+ in your favorite
>construction zone, you just happen to take out one of those careless
>workers who didn't belong there in the first place! (Damn! They should
>have KNOWN *YOU* were coming and got the hell out of the way!)

	Ms. Greis, you're going off completely half-cocked.  You can get a
ticket for 10 over in a 55 zone on a clear day with no one around you for
miles around and no construction zones.  Do you actually expect me to believe
that 65mph on an empty interstate with clear visibility and no poor old men
or construction workers is a dangerous speed?  I just don't buy it.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian)
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 21:21:09 GMT

c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>In article <1993Jan25.192014.21045@iqsc.COM> ralf@iqsc.COM (Ralf) writes:
>>  I will give my opinion on one of the ugliest cars I have ever seen,
>>The New Pontiac Grand Am, it is just plain ugly.  The Ford Tempo is one
>>of the weakest in its class, and Nissan's are under - marketed.

>Some car magazine I checked during lunch actually discussed the ugliest
>car ever made, and I think the winner (by leaps & bounds) was a
>French car, I think a Renault 6. 

>Or, any Citroen (i.e. 2CV to CX)
     ^^^^^^^^^^^

Oh, it definetly must be just SOME magazine. Forget it!

Peter
From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Politics of car buying(Buying a Japanese car)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:37:58 GMT
	<SteveWall-210193171334@hipmac1.pica.army.mil>
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: na
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: SteveWall@aol.com's message of 21 Jan 93 22:33:47 GMT
bcc: carl


>Everyone seems to be missing a few really basic points in this
>discussion of our trade imbalance.  First: population and
>productivity.  Japan has a comparatively small population and high
>productivity.  USA has a high population and lower productivity.  So

First, Japan has approximatly 50% the population of the US.  I would
NOT consider that small!!!

Second, I think that you're pissing into the wind by stating "Japan
has high productivity."  In certain arena they do have higher
productivity that we do but the converse is also true.  They are
certainly *not* supermen doing the work of 5 people here in the US.

>long as we can't produce all that we want to consume, someone
>(Japanese or otherwise) is going to have a big trade imbalance with
>us.

>A second point is about population itself.  Even if we and the
>Japanese do lower all trade barriers (real and imagined) we'll still
>have a trade imbalance with them.  The Japanese market (for cars, or
>anything) just isn't as big as ours.  Couple this with the high
>housing costs in Japan, which severely limits the disposable income
>there, and you'll find the market prospects very poor indeed.

Do you know that it costs LESS to buy many Japanese made products HERE
in the US and ship it back to Japan than it costs to BUY IN JAPAN!!!

>The USA needs to get to work fixing our own problems, not pointing fingers
>at imaginary bad guys.

We may have problems to take care of here but ALL of the finger
pointing isn't misplaced.

I have a friend who just arrived back after spending two years in
Japan.  While he was there he bought a pair of shoes (loafers, no big
deal) - price $160 (US).  The stories about apples costing $5 are all
true (and he says they don't taste anywhere near as good as ours).

So, if we have a level playing ground, perhaps we won't get the whole
Japanese car market but there is a HUGE Japanese electronic and food
market that's just waiting for Japan to drop it's protectionist
attitudes.

-Carl-
--
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From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Organization: SSESCO
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:03:20 GMT

Ken Rothman <krothman.727987654@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> writes:
> With all the advances in aerodynamics and ergonomics in design in the past ten
> years (mostly on the part of European and Japanese makers), this beast is an
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Apparently the Ford Taurus had little influence on the shape of cars today.
In my opinion there is no car that has had a greater influence on the vast
improvements of aerodynamics than the Taurus.

-- 
William R. Nau
Supercomputer Systems Engineering and Services Company (SSESCO)
511 11th Avenue South, Suite 216
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55415-1536
(612) 342-0003

nau@SSESCO.com
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From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)
Subject: Re: Insurance rates?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:26:48 GMT

In article <hellmann.727634883@sycamore.cs.scarolina.edu> hellmann@cs.scarolina.edu (Doug Hellmann) writes:
>James Edward Burns <ddujeb@arco.com> writes:
>
>>Re: Insurance rates?
>>Ive got a 75 Stingray right now which I pay $175 a month for full
>>converage.  I was looking to buy a 90 ZR1 Corvette.  My  insurance agent
>>gave me a quote for $600 a month full converage w/ $1k deductible.  23yr
>>old w/ no tickets.  I guess State Farm just does not like this car.  
>>J.B
>
>I notice that a lot of the people posting about their insurance rates
>are with State Farm.  I'm with State Farm in Columbia SC  and I found
>them to be the cheapest around. I'm 21, female, clean record and I only
>pay $161.00 / 6 months.  Of course I drive a 68 Nova, but is insurance
>really that much more expensive for men? Also, is State Farm the
>cheapest you've found for these outrageous prices?
>
>-Samantha (posting from my man's account till my own is up...)
>.

yes...once again we men have to pay the price!  ;)  it is much higher for us.
btw, you must be very well off to own your own man!
From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Japanese cars vs. America
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:27:23 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu

In article <1993Jan26.004952.2389@wam.umd.edu> jailbird@next09cville.wam.umd.edu (serial killer) writes:
>> 
>Hey, I have an 86 Crown Victoria with 367,000 and the only major thing I  
>changed was the tranyy at 250,000.  I still take it up to 95-100 miles an  
>hour at least 3 times a week with no problem.  The more you ride the car  

You're bound to do well if your car  *loses*  mileage as you drive.
In fact, I would like to know your secret to automotive
eternal youth :-).

>the better it seems to run.  I took into the mountains and saw those  
>little Japanese cars try to hit 50 miles on an incline while I was still  
>accelarating at 80+ miles an hour.  Americans know how to make large  
>engines (they had enough practice). Mine's a 5.8L 2BBL.  If i drive it at  
>65 it gives me about 16 miles per gallon and that's with the oxidezed gas  
>they have here which you get 2-5 miles lessthan the old formula

And a concerned citizen! An ecologist to boot!

Brian
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From: sullivan@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos,alt.autos.rod-n-custom
Subject: Re: New Monte Carlo  (was Re: 1994 Pontiac GTO)
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:25:53 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1993Jan26.174705.8682@zds-oem.zds.com>, easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton) writes:
> In article <AfNIoPG00UhW01pGBG@andrew.cmu.edu> "Nathan J. Nagel" <nn22+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>>1994 Pontiac GTO, hell.  Is Chevy still going to forge ahead with their
>>>>plan to release a new Monte Carlo based on the Beretta?  
>>>>
>>>>And does anyone particularly want them to?
>>> 
>>>I haven't heard the news about the new Monte Carlo, but I did read that
>>>GM was really disappointed in the sales of the Chevy Caprice and they
>>>were going to come out with a Caprice SS in '93 or '94.  I believe that
>>>the SS model is going to have a different body style, in fact the
>>>picture accompanying the article sorta looked like a Thunderbird.
> 
>   If I remember the Autoweek article correctly, the Caprice (called
> the Impala SS) had a slightly different rear end, was jet black,
> and had most of the police package mechanical goodies.
> 
>>    I think the Caprice SS is still in the show car stage, but don't I
>>seem to remember seeing a show car from Chevy called the Monte Carlo
>>maybe last year?  For some reason I think it was not based on the Lumina
>>at all but _REAR WHEEL DRIVE_!! Is there still hope?  (please correct me
>>if my memory is screwing with me again.)
> 
>   yup.  Most of the auto mags had an article mid-summer last year
> where they test drove the Monte.  It was a fiberglass bodied mockup
> and had the Twin Cam 3.4l engine.  I think it was front wheel drive though.
> 
>>-Nate
> 

  I may be way off here, but the last time they made Impala SS's was in the
late '60's?  And were'nt they mostly 2-Dr Sedans or Hardtop coupes or something
like that?  Would they be possilbly making a 2-dr Caprice?  And while were on
the subject I'd be willing to bet the farm that GM gets lazy and builds the GTO
off of the Grand Prix platform, then just adds some plastic spoilers, boosts it
up in horse power a little, Maybe beef the suspension, add fat tires and
"special" rims and voila a GTO...for an extra 3-5k of course, just my 2 cents.
From: pacek@slee01.srl.ford.com (Tony Pace)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Opinion on 1993 Ford Ranger 4x4
Date: 28 Jan 1993 14:13:47 GMT
Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory
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Having researched the field extensively, the Ranger is the leader
in the 4x4 field for the seventh year running, and leading magazines
have also picked it the 4x4 of the year, yet again.

The 4.0L engine's torque in particular is leading the class for
running ridges, as well as towing capacity. This year's model offers
more creature comforts than the previous model, including passanger 
space.
From: barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM (Mark Barnes - SMCC/CTE)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Removing dealer stickers:HOW?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:00:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: vavau.corp.sun.com

I once heard of a person at an auto detail shop that used a blow drier to heat
the glue and thus loosen the sticker so it could be removed.  Then s/he let the
paint/metal cool down before using ordinary cleaners and polishes to remove
the remaining glue.

I would never warrant the effectiveness nor the safety of this method.
--------------------------------+---------------------------------------
Mark Barnes, System Engineer    |  <insert standard disclaimers here>
SUN Microsystems Computer Corp. |
Corporate Technical Escalations |  I speak for myself, an individual,
Menlo Park, CA, USA             |  not for the company for which I work.
barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM      |
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From: hagger@cs.umd.edu (Paul Hagger)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Date: 21 Jan 93 22:02:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1jkteoINN6uh@male.EBay.Sun.COM> elkinbar@filly.EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Elkinbard) writes:
>
>The same platform and the same engine, doesn't mean that the cars are the same.
>As my parents found out when they bought a British "clone" of an Acura
>Legend,  the Sterling.   And while the engine, transmission, and the suspension
>peaces on the Sterling are still functional, everything else fell apart.
>The interior electricals failed often enough to push the reliablity rating
>of the car far down.
>
>Greg

I'm sorry you had such a bad experience.  And I would like to encourage
everyone reading to never buy a Sterling product as long as they live (or
at least until the new MG's are introduced in the US).

'Cos my family has had three of them with nothing but good times.  Our friends
have bought similar ones and never enjoyed a car more.

Everyone has lemons.  Maybe Sterling had more than their share.  Maybe not.
But you gotta love the price these days :-)

-hagger
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From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: Japanese cars never die!!!!
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:51:08 GMT

In article <1307@pascal.einstein.eds.com> tobey@einstein.eds.com (Christopher Tobey) writes:

   The oil filter is changed every 3000 miles and I change the oil about
   every 15000 miles (Mobil 1).

How do you get the oil filter out without dumping the oil?
From: tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: help: Buying a Jeep Wrangler.
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:52:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: hp-col.1k3q8pINN3ud
Distribution: world
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
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I have a 1991 Wrangler. Some recommendations:

1. Get the 4.0L engine. It's a killer.
2. Get a hardtop. My first Wrangler was soft:
   a. Too loud on highway.
   b. Easy to break into.
   c. Hardtop owners can easily put a softtop on for the summer.
3. Get the rear wiper and defroster with the hardtop.
4. Get the 20 gallon tank. At 20mpg this is an extra 100 miles between
   fillups.
5. Get the side steps already put on. I got mine later and it costs a
   few bucks to have them mounted (not a job for the inexperienced)
6. Get intermittent wipers.

I love mine. I beat the hell out of it both on road and off. It cannot
be broken. I have 32k on a 1991. Not too bad.  It is a tough car and
with the 4.0L it cannot be equaled by other 4wd utility vehicles.


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From: lubkin@apollo.hp.com ()
Subject: Safe cars
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:55:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

What is the safest vehicle configuration I can buy, in
terms of model and options, considering that it will be
driven in dry, wet, and snow on-road conditions?

My naive guess would be the long Volvo station wagon,
assuming I could get it with anti-lock brakes, four-wheel
drive, and no air bag.  But is that really so?

[I've heard claims that the Citroen wagon is actually
the safest, but most of its better features are outlawed
in the US thanks to GM, and it would be hard to find 
anyone who could fix it if I broke down in Podunk Falls.]


-- David Lubkin.

   lubkin@apollo.hp.com
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