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From: pjn+@cs.cmu.edu (P J Narayanan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Pak Interference in Kerala (Was Islamic rebellion)
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:04:24 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <Bw8351.BzD@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>I am really intrigued by these recent postings that have appeared
>regarding Pak presence in Kerala.

Relax. It only shows you have to be careful about whom you listen
to and whom you read. Yes, the arrival of organizations like ISS is
disturbing as much for the circumstances that lead to its creation
as for its existence. That is not to believe all the alarmist
propaganda spread about it. As far as I could follow, the Pak agent
stuff is an allegation repeated by RSS and gang with no corroborating
evidence to back it. It was reported in the parliament that a
CBI enquiry into these charges came up with no evidence to show
ISS was inspired by Pak or to show that Pak agents were present in
Kerala.

The kind of propaganda that Jagrithi seems to be engaged in is exactly
the kind that it accuses ISS of: Scare people into believing in their
agenda. You will see scary stories about Muslims if you read Organizer
or Kesari (the RSS mouthpiece in Malayalam). You will see equally
scary stories if you read ISS publications or Abdul Nazar Mah'dani
(that is his real name). I can't tell you whom you should believe.
If you want to get an idea of the "real" situation, a trip to Kerala
could help.

I was in Kerala for over 5 weeks from Aug 20th this year. I think the
recent communal violence in Poonthura, Trivandrum is a blot on the
peaceful history of Kerala. I think a number of factors, including
mispropaganda by RSS and ISS, have lead to a general worsening of
the communal situation all over the state. However, the alarmist
portrayal of Jagrithi is simply untrue even from a semi-serious
traveller's experience. Even the few relatives of mine who are
active in RSS (some live in Malappuram district too) didn't portray
a fraction of the alarm that Jagrithi seems to, though they were highly
critical of the ISS.

I travelled quite extensively in Malappuram district, including
Manjeri, Malappuram, Wandoor, Perinthalmanna, Elamkulam, Cherukara,
Edappal, Valanchery, and was based in Kozhikode. I don't think the
number of burkhas seen are any more than 4 or 6 years ago. The movie
theatres were DEFINITELY prospering with the latest Malayalam hits.
And, most importantly, temples are ALL prospering all over Kerala.
Even the temples that were in different state of ruins 5 or 10 years
back are in great physical and financial state today. "Kshetra
punarudhharana samitis" (Temple renovation committees) are quite
common occurrences in Kerala today. Attack on the temples is the most
ludicrous part of Jagrithi propaganda and is categorically untrue.

So take your pick in whom to believe. My advice is not to  believe
anyone entirely, including myself.

P J Narayanan

P.S. :- I just wanted to clarify, if I may, a few points by presenting
	my experience and opinion. I am not, repeat NOT, interested
	in a(nother) discussion on this matter on this forum.
From: shenoy@iastate.edu (Shiva Shenoy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Books Needed.
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:24:01 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

In <sbhati86.718834583@ursa> sbhati86@ursa.calvin.edu (Sanjay Bhatia) writes:

>Hi everyone,
>	I would like to get some books and request you for your help
>in getting the same.
>	I need some book(s) that contain the stories from the
>Mahabharat in AS MUCH DETAIL AS POSSIBLE.  Alos, I know that this is
>going to be a very big book or maybe even several volumes.  But I am
>looking for a book with the complete story of the Mahabharat.
>	Some of you might have these books that you may want to sell.
>I will accept any reasonable offer.  
>	Thank You.

I wouldn't dream of selling my collection, but here's where you can get some
great material:

Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, USA
65-09 Queens Boulevard, Woodside, NY 11377
Phone: 718-424-7878

They would be very glad to send you a list.
Here's some I recommend

K. M. Munshi - Krishnavatara Vol 1-7 ($4 each, soft cover, 200 pages each)

Fascinating story telling. Vol 8 is included incomplete in vol 7 because of
Munshi's death. So the big war is not covered.

Kamala Subramanium
	Mahabharata ($25, hardbound, about 700 pages)
	Srimad Bhagavatam ($25, same as above) 

very comprehensive.

C. Rajagopalachari
	Ramayana ($5, softcover, 200-300 pages)
	Mahabharata ($5, softcover, 200-300 pages)

good reading for kids.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko)
Subject: Re: India Testing World's 1st Birth-Control Vaccine
Keywords: Birth Control Vaccine Test
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:15:48 GMT

uds@trace.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar) writes:

>Ethics, simply does NOT come into the picture.  In hinduism, by killing a conception,
>you are playing as the paramaatma planned it for you.  I am completely ignorant of
>the muslim view.  Christians, (you may have heard the pope), consider abortion
>and use of condoms - an act against god, because by doing so you have prevented
>through `cure' or `pre-conceptual-prevention' the creation of god. -- which is
>clearly a sin.  (That's why I cant figure out how `pulling-<it>-out-at-the right-time'
>is not anti-godly (get my reasoning?).  -- The pope said that).

>As for the debate going on in the christian world about abortion, is has more to do
>with uncharted territories that science has thrown open.

Christianity is not a single monolithic religion ruled by the Pope. The
Pope is the head of the Catholic church. There are many other Christian
churches, such as the Anglican church (whose head is the Archbishop of
Canterbury), the Mormon church, the Presbyterians, Christian Scientists,
Episcopalians, and closer to home, the Marthoma and Jacobite churches, 
none of which give the Pope the status that the Catholic church does.
The common thread between all these churches is the New and Old
Testament, but they differ widely in their ceremonies and interpretations. 

As far as abortion goes, the Catholic faith prohibit it entirely,
as it does contraception. Most American churches do not prohibit
contraception, and many do not condemn abortion within the first
trimester. I don't know the position of the non-Catholic churches
in India on abortion, and they probably advocate sexual abstention,
but I doubt if they ban contraception.

True, the abortion issue becomes more heated as medical science becomes
able to support premature babies. The Catholic church has probably 
always had the same position on abortion and contraception, but it's
become more of an issue of late as the world population keeps 
increasing, the issues become more complex,  and people are more inclined 
to find their own positions rather than accepting the doctrine of the 
church.

Susan.




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From: U15297@uicvm.uic.edu (Shyamala Parameswaran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: WITHER PATRIOTISM ?
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:03:46 GMT
 <1992Oct8.223436.19533@news.clarkson.edu> <1992Oct9.143210.13094@meaddata.com>
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago


In article <1992Oct9.143210.13094@meaddata.com>, udcrusd@meaddata.com (Sylvia
D'Cruz) says:
>I can picture this:-
>You meet a girl you love, you are fascinated by her, you are about to kiss
>her,
>Ah! suddenly you have to pop the question "Do you love your native land ?"
>
>Maybe you can complete this one...........

While love may know no boundaries, the emotion is not as wanton
as one might imagine. The 'true' love you speak of would be mature
too, I'd expect.

We fall in love, are fascinated by 'her/him' for her/his ideas and
thinking, hopefully! A mind that is open and flexible to change.
And so... I'd want to be friends with someone who thinks very
differently from me but *fall in love* with someone who shares
some of my major concerns. I can hear a distant 'but that's like
*choosing* to fall in love'...the point here is what turns you
on - the thinking and qualities, or something else?

Shyamala

PS. BTW, I found it strange that you referred to Uma as 'Uma' in
your posts.
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Boring discussion!!!
Date: 7 Oct 1992 06:21:52 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

>>does anyone have an idea as to what the other discussion on this group
>>is about?..... something about culture and western civilisation and so
>>on.  could someone try to stop this thread?


>Give threats to break the thread.



leave that to  sree sreehari nimmala who knows little else ;-)

suresh


ps: nothin in the ps this time
From: irani@centi.cs.umn.edu (Erach A. Irani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: No spare parts/Do not take AT&T phones to India
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:42:58 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

You do not get spare parts for AT&T phones, cordless or whatever.
Do not take AT&T phones to India or anywhere out of the country where 
there is not an AT&T authorized service center.

I phoned AT&T for chips for a cordless phone, they would not sell them
to me on the grounds that they are propreitary information.

	Erach

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:33656 sci.environment:11879 alt.activism:17414 soc.culture.tamil:2751
From: kalia@next04epsl.wam.umd.edu (Atul Kalia)
Subject: looking for  Kapil Sood
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:35:26 GMT


Hi! 


I am looking for a guy called Kapil Sood. He did his BE in CompSc
from IT BHU (1990), worked in TELCO Jamshedpur for two years and is
now somewhere in the US. Most probably, in Texas. I would appreciate
if someone could help me in tracing him.

Thanks!

I am kalia@wam.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kalia@next07epsl.wam.umd.edu (Atul Kalia)
Subject: Re: ** SHERO-SHAYARI **
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 21:04:58 GMT

In article <1619@seqp4.sequoia.com> shirish@sequoiasequoia.com (Shirish  
Jamthe) writes:
> prem@prem.lbl.gov (Shirdi R. Prem) writes:
> : In article <7OCT92.19283738@skyfox.usask.ca>  
srivastava@skyfox.usask.ca writes:
> : >Shero-shayari chahne waalo ko mera Aadaab !!!
> : 
> : 	Aap pesh keejiye, hum abhi peshaab kar ke aate hai!!
> : 
> : >Shaam udaas hai, Raat bhi udaas hoogi
> : >Subah shabnam pe, meri laash hoogi
> : >mujhe dafnane waale, lejana unke paas
> : >jinki tasveer, mere seene ke paas hoogi
> : 
> : 	Waah waah, kya khoob. Isee baat per ek aur sher main pesh karta  
hoon...
> : 
> : 	Mera janaazaa jo nikalaa, 
> : 	    Saara jahaan saath chalaa,
> : 	Lekin woh nahin chali, 
> : 	    Jiske liye mera janaazaa nikala.
> : 
> : 	Prem!
> 
> Agar itne janaaze oote rahein hain to aik aur sahee :
> 
> 	Phool uus par bhi thei phool mujh par bhi
> 	log uskey liay bhi ro rahein theay aur mere liay bhi
> 	pharkh sirph itna tha
> 	Uski doli uth rahi thi aur meara janaaza.
> 
> Shirish


	Tum sab kee shayari par mujhe bas itna hee kehna hai

	-Anda ubaala pani mein phir bhee kachha rah gaya
	saare shayar mar gaye, ek too hee ghonchu rah gaya
From: vkmeno1@eos.ncsu.edu (VINOD K MENON)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Practical Training before graduation!!!!
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:02:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Oct17.020254.23776
Reply-To: vkmeno1@eos.ncsu.edu (VINOD K MENON)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: vkmeno1@c00537-106ps.eos.ncsu.edu


The INS is presently in a confused state of mind. They had initially withdrawn
pre-completion practical training except in the form of Cooperative Education,
which they termed curricular practical training. Under this scheme, an F-1
student was allowed upto one year of curricular practical training(365 days).
If he used up all 365 days he would lose his post-completion practical
training(but with 364 days you are still eligible for post-completion PT).
However due to a lot of complaints by schools who do not have the Cooperative
Education program, the INS has again changed the rules(although minor).

Now a student on an F-1 visa can be authorized for pre-completion practical
training even if it is not through the Coop program. However, the period for
which he is authorized to work will be deducted from his post-completion
practical training period(1 year). The rules for Cooperative Education remain
the same as before.

So the maximum time a student can remain on practical training is 1 year and
364 days. :-) i.e. 364 days of Coop and 1 year of Post Completion PT. 
If your school does not have the Coop program, then I guess the max length
would be 1 year(pre-completion and post-completion combined).

I know this is very confusing, I tried to simplify it as much as possible.
Hope it helps.

-- Vinod
PS: I have got the above info from the NCSU International Student Office.

****************************************************************************
VINOD MENON
ECE DEPT.    "Hard Work never hurt anybody... but why take any chances"
NCSU.      

****************************************************************************
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SOME DOKI JOKES
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:19:40 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
: 
: >Anyway, one more for you.
: 
: i think it is better you dedicate all your jokes to nimmi who is on
: the lookout for such jokes.

Doki, why do you want to bring me in whenever you are in trouble?
OK, let me now on defend you, instead of abusing(??!!). Are you
willing to take my support?:--)

SN
: 
: >P.S. Doki(ulu), why don't we correspond on SCIT ? We could use some
: >low level language.
: 
: sure i read SCIT and you can respond to me from there. i mean you can
: take my articles there and followup from there. the low level language
: is only going to be one way transmission.
: 
: 
: 
: from me to you. you can never catch up with me.
: 
: 
: 
: suresh
From:  (culture caltivator)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: because you like me too
Keywords: then
Date: 11 Oct 92 15:34:16 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

bye
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nd3375@meibm5.cen.uiuc.edu (Nishit Dey)
Subject: Testing this idiot machine
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:20:21 GMT

Header tells it all
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: datnoor@uceng.UC.EDU (Devendra Atnoor)
Subject: Re: A Wimbledon Doubt (Re: More about India)
Organization: University of Cincinnati, Engineering College
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:31:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.135359.28807@news2.cis.umn.edu> prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>(Srinivas Aluru) writes:
>>Which of the following is true?
>>1) Women are as capable as men and hence they should be given equal
>>   opportunity and respect.
>>
>>2) Women are less powerful than men (for whatever reasons) but in the
>>   interest of fairness, they sould be given equal opportunity and respect.
>
>Excellent point!
>
>Let me give you an example. It is a fact that professional women tennis
>players earn less than professional men tennis players on an average.
>Both Wimbledon and US Open pay the the female champion less than the male
>champion.
>
>Several female players have been complaining bitterly about this apparent
>inequity. I got into serious trouble when I staked my position before, but
>I believe in this strongly: It is not unfair for the men's champion to
>be paid more than the women's champion. 
>
>Why?
>
>1. Notwithstanding our individual opinions, it has been shown that
>
>If we don't get caught in the wide screen issue of gender bias
>and angst for equity, the current disparity in the championship
>payouts, in my opinion, is quite fair! It should however be
>modified if there are viewership preference changes.

Consider this:
	The women's champion had to play for only 7 hours during the
whole turnament. Where as Edburg had to play 3 five setters in the last
three rounds (totaling about 12 hours of tennis.)
	Now tell me what is fair.

Cheers.

-- 
Deven Atnoor           Dept of Chemical Engineering datnoor@pauling.che.uc.edu
Room # 500A            University of Cincinnati     datnoor@uceng.uc.edu
                       Cincinnati, OH  45221-0171   datnoor@tycho.che.uc.edu 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sgs@ucs.usl.edu (Sudhindranath SG)
Subject: Re: More About India
Keywords: Womyn Rights
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:58:10 GMT

In one of her articles in this thread, Sylvia D'Cruz writes 
about India being "less evolved socially" than the US as far 
as the treatment of women is concerned.

I feel that her inference is too strong to stomach. 
How can we forget the fact that there are literally _millions_
of children in this country whose fathers have abandoned
their wives as well as children ? Does it show any kind of respect
towards women ? 

Of course, Ms. D'Cruz might  counter this by saying "It happens 
in India too". Probably she's right. But in a "less evolved" society, 
it is not surprising for such a thing to happen. But how can it 
happen in an "evolved" society like the US ?

If Ms. D'Cruz prefers to stay here because of her own reasons, 
her decision should be respected. However, I feel that she 
shouldn't get carried away by her personal experiences and start 
commenting on the state of evolution of the two societies.

Regards,

--Sudhi.

-- 
*********************************************************************
Sira Gopinath Sudhindranath. 
email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu
*********************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rroy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raja R Roy)
Subject: Re: BM-RJB issue (more developments)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:38:39 GMT


In article <1992Oct13.161852.27594@csrd.uiuc.edu> ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanj
oy Ghosh) writes:
>(Raja R Roy) writes:
>
>>45 years was a long long time to change the demography of Kashmir. 
>
>Don't intend to be rude or anything, but who do you think you are.
>God or what.  Change the demography of the place.  Who or what gives
>you the right to do that.  I hope not Hinduism, or Hindu spiritual 
>leaders.

       Are we having a communication gap here? Demography is not geography,
it is the distribution of population. It does not take a God to change
the distribution of population. In my opininion, Kashmir problem is due to 
segregation of muslim population over there. If muslims are divided homoge-
neosly all over India, lot of problems will be solved. 
     After the independence people from outside Kashmir were not allowed to
 buy land there. If it has been allowed, population would be more homogeneous
there, and hopefully this would have thwarted an attempt of muslim extremists
to secede. After all, if Kashmir is a part of our country, then why it should
 not be just like  any other  part    of India, why it should have a 
special status?      

>
>>If only we had allowed Indians outside
>>Kashmir to settle  there, today we would not have the problem of Kashmir.
>>As it turns out Nehru was an idiot, not to have allowed so.
>
>So that the fatcats of Bombay, Delhi, and Calcutta could have a
>6-lane autobahn built to Srinagar.  Huge empty havelis on the
>Dal Lake, and most of the natives employed as hired help.

   What is your point here? Rich exploit poor, developed countries exploit
 underdeveloped, but that is not point of discussion here.

 Raja
>
>Sanjoy Ghosh
From: kulkarni@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: India:Myths & Realities
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:55:44 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Hi Netters,
I will be talking on the topic "India: Myths & Realities" at the 
International Centre at our University. The topic encompasses
historical, political, social, cultural and religious myths about
India and the realities.
I am preparing for this topic and I would highly appreciate,
your help in the form of suggestions, examples, or any kind of
information which you would like to share.
Please send e-mails at:
                      Kulkarni@ac.dal.ca

Many thanks in advance.

S.Kulkarni.

P.S. Please send mails before 25 oct.
From: chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Boring discussion!!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 22:01:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: emoryu1.1134
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

vijay@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Vijay Rangarajan) writes:
: In article <1avs7oINNt72@bigboote.WPI.EDU> sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
: >>are there on SCIT. After all, each and everyone is trying their
: >							   ^^^^^
: >
: >grammar flame : it is not 'their' but 'his/her'
: 
: A person of unspecified sex (undetermined by context) is referred as 
: their. The sentence you quoted isn't incorrect.

Every time my friend comes with a grammar/spelling 'flame',
some one would prove my friend wrong. So, the moral of the
story, my friend, is: Don't choose grammar/spelling as a *subject* 
for flames.

---SN

: alt.usage.english could be a good place to discuss this.
: 
: Vijay.
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