HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jpc@avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov (J. Porter Clark)
Subject: elm2.4 and getdomainname()
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date:  8 Oct 92 17:26:33 GMT

I had one problem with elm 2.4.  On my systems, the domain returned by
getdomainname() is my NIS domain, and my DNS domain is something else.
Configure will let you enter the domain name, but this is ignored if
getdomainname() is present in libc.  Therefore, I had to manually
comment out the following line in config.h after running Configure:

/* #define	GETDOMAINNAME		/**/

I imagine that there are many systems set up like this.  It shouldn't
be too hard to fix Configure (famous last words) so that it will allow
you to override/ignore getdomainname().  For now, this is a quick fix.
-- 
J. Porter Clark    jpc@avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov or jpc@gaia.msfc.nasa.gov
NASA/MSFC Communications Systems Branch

ICON: A picture or symbol that stands for a word.  Icons are often used
in programs for young children who cannot yet read.
	-- some doctor's waiting-room magazine
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: elm 2.4 exits on update when new mail arrives...
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:29:10 GMT

earl@rtsg.mot.com (Brent R. Earl) writes:
>elm2.4 p0, on sun3/60 sunos4.0.3, built using gcc.
>locking using . and flock.

>When updating with the $, elm will exit when new mail arrives.

>Is this fixed in any of the patches?  Do I need to give more
>info?  I have had this happen a couple of times, but have not
>saved the errors.
You are going to have to look why Elm exited.  If it leaves on a 
resync, its an 'Emergency Exit' due to some error.
-- 
========================================================================
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Elm2.4 PL 0 on AIX/370 and AIX PS/2 (alias problem)
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:18:20 GMT

stud02@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be (Kris Van Hees) writes:
>I could not find any posting in comp.mail.elm about this, so I thought I'd
>mention it.  I have compiled Elm2.4PL0 both for AIX/370 and AIX PS/2 and
>when I run newalias on 370 I get a memory allocation error when using the Elm
>compiled for PS/2, and vice versa.

>Isn't the format of the alias files supposed to be architecture independant
>or something like that?
It is supposed to be, but apparently, there is some problem in ndbz, that
is causing it not to be.  No one yet, who has the problem, has spent any
time to see what it is.  (My uneducated guess: sign extension problem)
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL02
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: malx@cyber.net (Craig R. Sadler)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: help with elm
Date: 11 Oct 92 06:59:10 GMT
Distribution: comp.mail.elm
Organization: The Cyberspace Station


  I've been unable to get the shell escape command (!),

or my .sig files to work. I've included the appropriate
lines in my elmrc, i.e.
	      shell escape command = !
	      shell = bin/csh

              signature = .signature
	      localsignature = .signature
           (the othersignature i can't remember) = .signature

Finally, the .signature file is in the .elmrc/ directory along
with the elmrc. The unix is BSD 4.3. and elm version 2.3. Can
anyone help ?
		Thanks in advance
		     Craig
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From: alan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Alan Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Bug updating list of mail
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:33:39 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

I've just noticed a failure in 2.4PL0 to update the list of mail correctly.
My screen shows 10 messages, and I'm reading the system mailbox with 10
messages in it.

1. Read message 10
2. Quit the pager
3. New message arrives, and elm notifies me it's read message 11
4. Save message 10 to another folder

Menu item 10 still shows the details of the message I've just saved, but
on reading I see the newly arrived message 11 (which is now 10). On exit
from the pager the display is correct.

Alan
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: no From: line in copy of outgoing mail
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:15:44 GMT

spencer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
>We're still running 2.3PL11.

>I have things configured so that all outgoing mail gets stored in a
>folder by the recipient's name.

>I just noticed the other day that this copy does not have a From: line.
>OK, so this isn't really necessary since you know you sent the e-mail,
>but it breaks one of my scripts :-)  Although IMHO the From: line ought
>to be there, regardless.  I suppose meanwhile I can just always Bcc:
>myself but that's a really ugly solution.

>Actually, I fixed the script so that it no longer breaks, but does
>something acceptable with it, if not 100% desirable.

>Is this changed in 2.4?  If so, I can bug my sysadmin to upgrade :-)
It hasn't changed in 2.4, and whether the 'saved copy' has a 'From:' line
or not depends on who adds the from.

If you configure Elm to add the 'From:' then the saved copy has it.
If you configure Elm to let the MTA add the 'From:' then the saved
copy of outbound mail does not have it.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL02
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Problem installing Elm 2.4 on DEC2100 workstation
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:55:19 GMT

ct@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (fac chris tomer) writes:
>I've been trying to install Elm 2.4 on a DEC2100 workstation that's
>running Ultrix 2.0. The problem seems to involve locale.h and setlocale --
>the Configure script properly locates locale.h, but in the final phases of
>the installation, when the executables are supposed to be compiled, the
>process fails because setlocale can't be located. Any advice? Am I
>overlooking something painfully obvious, or is the problem this
>now-outmoded version of Ultrix? Are the problems of getting this new
>version installed worth the effort? 
Quite a few systems out there have the include file locale.h, but don't
seem to have setlocale, which is strange.

First, try alternate libraries for setlocale, it might be in the library
-lnls.

Second, if you cannot find it, edit the config.sh file and turn it off
(d_setlocale=undef) and then rerun all the .SH files.  It only effects
internationalization.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL00
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Fixed: ELM 2.4 - no signatures ; no descriptions in elmrc though.
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:14:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.133338.19732@DSI.COM> syd@DSI.COM writes:

>I don't presume anything with the elmrc.samp, its just a sample file.
>Please, its not a prototype file, just an example, thats why its called
>sample.

True enough.  Sorry for the harsh words.  Nevertheless, as a new user
of Elm, it was the closest thing I had to a prototype elmrc (to find
out quickly what options elmrc permits you to set, and what the syntax
of each entry should be).  Perhaps instead of elmrc.samp, there could
be an elmrc.proto in the doc directory, with more universal settings?

>Global elm.rc's are new (even in the dev program) so there are still
>some rough edges (they were put in about 2 months ago during the beta
>process).   They were added to solve the NIS domain problem, and to
>allow for binary distribution of Elm.

Oh, gotcha.  Will they become standard or documented features in the
future?  (And what about the "automatic creation" of .elm/elmrc files
I keep hearing about?  That would make my life much easier!)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
From: kgs@panix.com (Karen Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: How to include file in letter
Date: 11 Oct 92 13:23:42 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

I've looked through the documentation and STILL can't figure it out;
how do I send a file from another directory as a piece of mail?  Elm
keeps chirping that it can't open these other directories (and even
if it could, I still don't "get it").

For example, I have a file I uploaded, eval.txt, and I want to send
it to a friend.  In the funky old mail program, I could easily
use a tilde command (tilde r, for example) to include it within the
mail as part of my correspondence.  Or there is another command (I
forget which one) that just sent the file as a piece of mail _in toto_.
But in elm I feel confused by "folders" and all that.  (I understand
how to forward pieces of mail; it's the files that make 
me run back to the dollar prompt to use the old mail program.)

thanks

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
K.G.Schneider  kgs@panix.com

"Prudence keeps life safe, but does not often make it happy"
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dsoconne@quads.uchicago.edu (Daniel S OConnell)
Subject: WordPerfect as elm editor
Summary: Can a wp pkg be used in place of vi for elm?
Reply-To: dsoconne@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:46:53 GMT

Does anyone know if it is possible/feasible to use say WordPerfect
instead of the "builtin" editor in elm?

I ask this question because I want to get a medium sized group 
to use elm, but I don't want to think about having to teach some
20+ people "vi"; they all know WordPerfect however.

Has anyone tried something similar?

Email appreciated, and thanks for any opinion/advice in 
advance.

Daniel O'Connell


Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: lcz@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (Lee Ziegenhals)
Subject: elm 2.4 and SYSV-style forwarding
Organization: Datapoint Corporation, San Antonio, TX
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:08:32 GMT

I have applied patches 1 and 2, and I see that the SYSV-style mail forwarding
(with the "Forward to ..." string as the first line in the user's mailbox)
still causes elm 2.4 to respond with "Folder is corrupt!!  I can't read it!!"

Has anyone else seen this problem, or is it unique to my compilation?  I did
not receive any response to my previous post.

Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Suggestion for a new feature
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:17:13 GMT

lahtinen@gideon.fmi.fi (Kimmo Lahtinen) writes:
>I compiled the new elm 2.4PL0 to ISC 3.0 and it works fine (I edited
>by hand d_locate='defined' to 'undef'). 

>I was a little suprised to find out that it still informs that
>messages from pmail (Pegasus Mail used with Novell networks) are
>urgent event though they contain only:

>Priority:     normal

>The programmer of pmail (David Harris) says that it confirms the
>standard.
At present, Elm looks for headers as colon space value,
Pegasus Mail uses a tab, we are currently 'rereading' the RFC
to see what we can/should do to handle this, and someone has submitted
a 'patch' to make Elm 'whitespace' independent,  but it is still under
review for 'does it solve the problem'
-- 
========================================================================
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: ignatz@chinet.chi.il.us (Dave Ihnat)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm 2.4 and SYSV-style forwarding
Summary: Nope; it's used often.
Keywords: elm, SYSV, forwarding
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:40:29 GMT
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

In article <1992Oct15.160305.13960@osf.org> tom@osf.org (Tom Jordahl) writes:
(re forwarding)
>Did this work on elm 2.3 pl11? I would think that it did not.  

Nope; it does/did.

>Elm 2.4 has no support for this feature of system V /bin/mail 
>(or binmail or bellmail).

Nope; code's there...

>I think you are out of luck.  Why would you need to invoke elm on a 
>mail spool file that will not have any mail in it?

Don't need to; need some handholding for naieve users, for whom Elm is a
Ghodsend.  Otherwise, that is.

>I don't think many people use this (rather obscure) feature of att mail.

Wrong; it's quite simple to set up, and many clients use it before I find
out about it.

		Dave Ihnat
		ignatz@homebru.chi.il.us (preferred return address)
		ignatz@chinet.chi.il.us

"A sign that I'm getting old--I'm letting other people try Elm 4 and get the
alpha bugs out of it before I commit..."
Organization: Catholic University of Leuven - NetNews Project
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:08:04 +01
From: Kris Van Hees <GUTEST6@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be>
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Elm2.4 on AIX 370 + PS/2 termcap problem

Hello,

Another problem (much more of a problem) has turned up when I was testing
Elm2.4 on our AIX 1.2.1.  Our TERM env variable is set to hft-c (the correct
setting for the consoles of the PS/2).  We have a termcap file hft.ti, which
contains the hft-c entry.  Yet, when I start Elm on the console it complains
about not being able to find the termcap entry for hft-c.  Weird.

Any solution, please?

Regards,
Kris.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: fprice@hamilton.edu (Frank Price)
Subject: Damaged text file
Organization: Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:11:26 GMT


We are running Elm 2.3 PL11 under ULTRIX on a DEC 5100; vi is our
default editor. Recently a user 

1. Uploaded a WordPerfect file (saved as text, 48K) to his home
directory.
 
2. Started Elm and used :r in vi to read the file into an Elm message. 

3. Sent the message successfully.

4. Days later, he wanted to send the file again and repeated step 2. The
following appeared:
   Subject: 
   (Interrupt -- one more to kill letter)

5. He's not sure, but he thinks he hit the return key once or twice and
the 2nd line repeated. He exited the editor with :q!

6. When he asked me to look at the file, it consisted only of 160 bytes
in the following 6 lines:
   Subject: 
   (Interrupt -- one more to kill letter)
   
   (Interrupt -- one more to kill letter)
  
   (Interrupt -- one more to kill letter)

Can anyone guess what happened?  Reply to me directly by mail and I'll
summarize for the group if replies are of general interest.

Thanks
==================================================================
= Frank Price, Assoc. Dir., Academic Computing, Hamilton College =
= Internet: fprice@hamilton.edu                                  =
==================================================================
From: rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm2.4 and getdomainname()
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:35:16 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

jpc@avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov (J. Porter Clark) writes:

>I had one problem with elm 2.4.  On my systems, the domain returned by
>getdomainname() is my NIS domain, and my DNS domain is something else.
>Configure will let you enter the domain name, but this is ignored if
>getdomainname() is present in libc.  Therefore, I had to manually
>comment out the following line in config.h after running Configure:

>/* #define	GETDOMAINNAME		/**/

>I imagine that there are many systems set up like this.  It shouldn't
>be too hard to fix Configure (famous last words) so that it will allow
>you to override/ignore getdomainname().  For now, this is a quick fix.

Actually, what I do is change the line

	d_domname='define'

to

	d_domname='undef'

in config.sh.  (You get an opportunity to do this when you 
run Configure.)

Does the same thing; you just don't need to mess with the
source....

Robert
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| the money is left in the hands of TAXPAYERS, God only knows what they |
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: sarma@rtsg.mot.com (Raja Sarma)
Subject: ELM New Mail Question... Pl. Help
Summary: Why does ELM not have AUTO-RESYNC feature ? what are its effects.?
Keywords: elm
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:04:24 GMT

Hi ELM-ers,
	I have noticed that elm does not update the temp mail folder 
(/tmp/mbox.<username>) periodically (AUTO-RESYNC) unless a "c"hange
of folders or "$"resync or "Q/q/X/x" were executed.  Eventhough I have 
read all my mails, the newmail and frm tools still report that I have 
(X num. of new mail), they also report when requested, incorrect no. 
of read mail msgs:

	(ie. total# of msgs - #new msgs = #read msgs), 

when in actuality I have: 

	total# of msgs == #read msgs. (ie. I have read all msgs).  

My Questions are:
	1) I was wondering if anyone could shed light on the reason
for this strange (strange in my perspective) behavior.  May be 
there is a technical reason that I don't know of.?

	2) Will fixing the elm source to include a feature to handle
the above mentioned situation lead to potential problems? If not
I am interested to fix this.?

Remember that all my above actions were done before executing a 
resync/change/quit explicitly.
	
PS: Kindly send all your replies directly to me. I will post a 
summary of the replies later.

Thanks,

-- Raja
sarma@maize.rtsg.mot.com
(708)632-6963
From: dax@ulysse.enst.fr (Philippe Dax)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: F_SETLK in Configure elm2.4
Keywords: elm2.4, Configure, fcntl
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:45:32 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Telecom-Paris, France


Hi,

While installing elm2.4 on a Sun4 running SunOS4.1.2, the Configure script
doesn't recognize F_SETLK because it searches in /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h
which includes /usr/include/sys/fcntlcom.h (where F_SETLK is).
So I have modified Configure like that:

   if $contains F_SETLK /usr/include/sys/fcntl.h >/dev/null 2>&1; then
       echo 'F_SETLK found, fcntl locking available'
       has_fcntl="$define"
+  elif $contains F_SETLK /usr/include/sys/fcntlcom.h >/dev/null 2>&1; then
+      echo 'F_SETLK found, fcntl locking available'
+      has_fcntl="$define"

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
Subject: Re: ELM vs PINE
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:55:13 GMT
Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI

In article <1992Oct10.182329.26184@mccc.edu> pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes:
>There's only one thing for you to read if you're running System V: PINE
>doesn't compile under System V!

Not quite true.  I did a port of Pine 3.5 to SVR4 yesterday, using the
DYNIX/ptx port as a starting point.  I haven't tested out things
completely yet, but it appears to work fine -- sends mail okay,
receives mail okay, even handles job control correctly.  For the
record, it was not a particularly difficult port; I think it took me
all of 2-3 hours or so.

There is also a port of an older version of Pine to SVR3 included with
the Pine sources, under the pine3.05/contrib directory.

(No, I won't send you a copy of my patches.  I plan to send a copy of
my os_sv4.[ch] and makefile.sv4 files to the Pine development group
once I get a chance to test things a bit more thoroughly.)

-- 
Marc Unangst, N8VRH         | "There are two ways to solve this problem:
mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us   | the hard way, and the easy way.  Let's start
                            | with the hard way."
                            |   - W. Scheider, from a Physics lecture
From: rhoward@matd.gatech.edu (Robert L. Howard)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: 2.4 so far
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:07:08 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute

barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:

>First, I don't like how ELM has split up the "first name" and
>"last name" fields.  Much (most?) of my aliases are for mailing lists,
>for which this does not apply.

If you don't split up the name field it works fine too.  The 
firstname lastname separater is a ';'.  Just don't use it.  If
interactively entering an alias, enter in the last name leaving
the first name blank.

>Second, why should ELM put the real-name field in the outgoing address,
>anyway?  For example, if I make an alias as follows:

>alias name: bozo
>last name: Jerk
>first name: Big
>comments: A big bozo
>address: bozo@foo.uucp

>Why should elm address it as "To: bozo@foo.uucp (Big Jerk)" ?

Like Syd said, people like to see names....

>This is very confusing, and potentially VERY embarrassing to
>new users, who may either spell someone's name wrong, or plain
>just not understand that what they entered would actually go
>on outgoing mail.

When you enter all that stuff in, elm prompts you to accept the
alias showing you how outbound mail will be addressed.  It is
also pretty well documented.  Put all the insults in the 
comment field.  I don't see the problem....

>Why am I forced to enter a real-name field for this alias?
>If I absolutely force it to be null, it comes out as:
>"To: bozo@foo.uucp ()"

This I would consider to be a bug...if it's null we should leave
off the ()'s.  I'll look into this one....

>Could we possibly have a switch to disable the putting of the
>real-name part of the address on aliases?  (probably best left
>as a global option, but with optional individual overrides)

We could "take a vote" on it.  It would take some work to add
it (patches welcome).  I personally have an aversion to an
over-abundance of switches/options.  I would definitely make 
the default to be "put the names in".

Robert
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| Robert L. Howard              |   Georgia Tech Research Institute     |
| robert.howard@matd.gatech.edu |   MATD Laboratory                     |
| (404) 528-7165                |   Atlanta, Georgia  30332             |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
| "See, when the GOVERNMENT spends money, it creates jobs; whereas when |
| the money is left in the hands of TAXPAYERS, God only knows what they |
| do with it.  Bake it into pies, probably.  Anything to avoid creating |
| jobs." -- Dave Barry                                                  |