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Subject: Re: test
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 04:45:55 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET International News Gateway in New Zealand
Keywords: test 

testing center writes:

> this is a test !
> 

 The fish are biting so the test worked!


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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: an6791@anon.penet.fi (Living in the shadows)
Subject: Re: Living in the shadows
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.fashion
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:21:47 GMT

Nothing particularly about this group made me post anonymously...
Just, it's not normal for a guy to wear pantyhose...

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From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: Living in the shadows
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:38:34 GMT

"Living in the shadows" writes:

>Nothing particularly about this group made me post anonymously...
>Just, it's not normal for a guy to wear pantyhose...

Sure, but isn't that another way to say it is ~not~ fashionable? I'd
say you got the wrong group anyway. I suggest to all anonymous posters
to step out of the shadows and talk fashion with us.

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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Living in the shadows...
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:55:38 GMT

"Living in the shadows" writes:

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Really. Posting anonymously to alt.fashion? Is this group that disgraceful?

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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: lycra/ spandex
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:14:48 GMT



Hullo, an8312!

Who are you?

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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: strnadl@tph04.tuwien.ac.at (Christoph F.Strnadl)
Subject: Re: lycra/ spandex
Followup-To: alt.lycra 
Reply-To: strnadl@tph01.tuwien.ac.at
Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, TU Vienna
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:02:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.112415.5248@fuug.fi>, an8312@anon.penet.fi writes: 
|> Has anyone else noticed the increasing predominence of
|> lycra garments in the high street? People of all 
|> shapes _and sizes are walking around in shorts, track bottoms
|> etc  regardless of whether they are about to playy sport etc.

Actually -- at least in Europe -- you will mostly see women wearing tights
and leggings. 

|> What does this fashion tell us about society?! 

There is even a whole newsgroup dedicated for discussing that.
I have directed followups to alt.lycra, for obvious reasons :-)

-cfs

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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: an6791@anon.penet.fi (Living in the shadows)
Subject: Re: Misc ...
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.fashion
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:57:01 GMT

>Andrew writes
>
>> [silk hose, presumably in suntan or nude] ... As a male, I find them
>> very attractive on a nicely figured lady ...
>
>in reply to,
>
>>> The only reason I don't wear "NORMAL" nylons is that they are plain
>>> ugly.  Who ever heard of "suntan" legs in winter or of "nude" that
>>> does not match your face tone?
>
>As a male, I find ``nicely figured'' women attractive no matter what
>they wear (though, as an aside, I only find ``ladies'' attractive in
>an uninteresting sort of way).  Suntan panty-hose can add to the
>attraction.
>
>But I primarily agree with the sentiment of the first post.  The point
>is that ``normal'' hose (or stockings) are less attractive or more
>ugly than the colored and/or patterned hose that ``everyone'' is
>actually waring.  The difference depends, primarily on rather the
>women wearing the hose is attractive or ugly ...

I disagree. A good pair of pantyhose will ALWAYS look good ... as long
as you have a pair that isn't cheap looking and doesn't have any runs,
the hose is quite attractive. The challenge is finding hosiery that will
look nice AND last reasonably well... 

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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: dfriga@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David R Friga)
Subject: Designers do not work alone.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:55:08 GMT


Where did you find your information about all of these designers
being infected with AIDS?  As for there being a lack of new talent,
it will never happen.  Most of your famous desisigners hhave teams
working for them long after they have retretired.  For instance, before
making a name for himself, Karl Lagerfeld designed for Chanel and 
often still does.  Donna Katren (Karen) designed for Anne Klein
beforeore going solo,,, and I'm sure that designers such as Yves St.
Laurent and Dior have design teams working for them. (Especially
Dior since he is no longer living)  There are also some great
new designers coming up in the field.  What about Todd Oldham!
Vogue magazine features new designers getting national recognition
all of the time!

Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: an6791@anon.penet.fi (Living in the shadows)
Subject: Re: One-size-fits-all (was Re: Petites)
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.fashion
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:51:55 GMT

>Being at the other end of spectrum (tall and broader than I'd like) I have
>to agree on the "One Size Fits All" joke.  It is very annoying to buy panty
>hose (even queen-size) and find that the crotch is down around my knees and
>the waist is somewhere in the middle of my hips and too low to stay there!
>
>I've bot queen-size hose which had stick-thin legs and a humoungous top!
>What kind of person is built like that?
>
>Hppily, I have been able to find some that fit.  And mostly, I don't wear
>skirts anyway so I can get away with knee-hi's.
>
>Out-sizes of the world, UNITE! :')

Who sells good queen size pantyhose? 
For that matter, what lasts well? I like silky...
but L'eggs Sheer Elegance Silken Mist don't seem to last very long.



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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: an8312@anon.penet.fi
Subject: lycra/ spandex
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.fashion
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:17:20 GMT


Has anyone else noticed the increasing predominence of
lycra garments in the high street? People of all 
shapes _and sizes are walking around in shorts, track bottoms
etc  regardless of whether they are about to playy sport etc.

 What does this fashion tell us about society?!

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From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Designers endangered species?
Keywords: AIDS HIV fashion design haute-couture
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:39:58 GMT


Maybe this is just stupid gossip, so maybe (hopefully) someone out
there can correct me. I believe, recently, Enrico Coveri and Patrick
Kelly have died in AIDS. Claude Montana is infected. Yves Saint Laurent
is infected. Jean-Paul Gaultier is infected, and presumably many more
of the top designers. What about Kenzo, Valentino, Karl Lagerfeldt?
Gianfranco Ferre seems so bourgois, so he ~must~ be on the safe side!?

What will happen if a whole generation of fashion designers just
disappears? A lot of room will be left for young designers. Will there
be enough talent around to fill the need, and if so will those talents
be mature enough to do it? Who is coming and doesn't have aids?

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From: byrd@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Living in the shadows
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:38:15 GMT
Organization: Univ of Penn - Med School Computer Facility

In article <1993Jan26.043414.20289@fuug.fi>, an6791@anon.penet.fi (Living in the shadows) writes:
> Nothing particularly about this group made me post anonymously...
> Just, it's not normal for a guy to wear pantyhose...
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------

Oh, come off of it! I've talked to at least a half-dozen men who
do wear pantyhose instead on thermal underwear when it's cold.
They fit more snugly to their legs and are thinner than thermal.
These guys aren't transvestites. And besides that so what if they are?


	Karen Byrd, VAX Sys. Manager
	University of Pennsylvania
	Medical School Computer Facility
	Philadelphia, PA 19104 (USA)
	Internet: byrd@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: Designers endangered species? (Was: Designers do not work alone)
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:02:37 GMT

David R Friga writes:

> As for there being a lack of new talent,
>it will never happen.

I've just been gossiping with people who sell clothes. I have no
corroboration what so ever. It's just that a devlish thought entered my
mind: What if most top designers suddenly disappeared, ~along~ with
most other people in the business, including young talents, I mean,
they are not immune,;-) are they?

And of course there will be new talent, but isn't it a problem that the
talent is new? They will make silly mistakes, which is just the sort of
things the established designers can help their staff to avoid.


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From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Living in the shadows
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:13:36 GMT
Reply-To: <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

byrd@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:

>Oh, come off of it! I've talked to at least a half-dozen men who
>do wear pantyhose instead on thermal underwear when it's cold.
>They fit more snugly to their legs and are thinner than thermal.
>These guys aren't transvestites. And besides that so what if they are?


>	Karen Byrd, VAX Sys. Manager

But Karen, there is not enough room for everything!

Louie

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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: Designers do not work alone.
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:02:57 GMT

David R Friga writes:

> For instance, before
>making a name for himself, Karl Lagerfeld designed for Chanel and 
>often still does.

I got the point, but actually, Karl Lagerfeldt was an established
designer in his own name when he got a chance with Chanel. Chanel is of
course an even bigger name, and K.L. being a kind of fashion scholar
seems to enjoy doing pastishes of the later Chanel styles.

Actually, I think Karl Lagerfeldt and Yves Saint Laurent entered the
world of high fashion at the same time, taking part in some kind of
design competition for the youth. Yves won and Karl came second. I
suppose that order has remained.

> Donna Karan designed for Anne Klein
>before going solo

Yes.

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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: an6791@anon.penet.fi (Living in the shadows)
Subject: Pantyhose (was Re: Misc ...)
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.fashion
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:40:15 GMT

kparker%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kenneth Parker) writes:
>Andrew writes 
>
>> [silk hose, presumably in suntan or nude] ... As a male, I find them
>> very attractive on a nicely figured lady ...
>
>in reply to,
>
>>> The only reason I don't wear "NORMAL" nylons is that they are plain
>>> ugly.  Who ever heard of "suntan" legs in winter or of "nude" that
>>> does not match your face tone?
>

Actually, would you not wear a suit because it was not the same color as
your skin? Well, pantyhose are clothes, not a second skin, even though
the good ones fit in such a manner. 

>As a male, I find ``nicely figured'' women attractive no matter what
>they wear (though, as an aside, I only find ``ladies'' attractive in
>an uninteresting sort of way).  Suntan panty-hose can add to the
>attraction.

Yes. I know my girlfriend looks great in em:-)
>
>But I primarily agree with the sentiment of the first post.  The point
>is that ``normal'' hose (or stockings) are less attractive or more
>ugly than the colored and/or patterned hose that ``everyone'' is
>actually waring.  The difference depends, primarily on rather the
>women wearing the hose is attractive or ugly ...

I disagree; but I've always been one for plain-ness.


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Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: garry@ithaca.com (Garry Wiegand)
Subject: Cloaks and Oilskins
Organization: Ithaca Software
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 04:05:25 GMT

Rain rain go away... I have been looking for a good men's cloak for,
I think, years. Does anyone have a thought about where to find one
in the San Francisco area, or by mail-order? (I did find a cloak on
Haight St. a few months ago that looked to have been quite dashing -
long long ago when it was new. It was unfortunately not in good
shape.)  

Is a cloak a practical garment, or am I just a romantic? 

And as long as I'm trying to stay dry: a friend has a jacket that
his brother bought in Britain long ago. The jacket shell is some
sort of waxed fabric that is a bit smooth and shiny, like leather,
and is water-repellant. I am interested because I like the look but
I'm too much of a veggie to buy a genuine skin-of-cow jacket. I once
called a dozen stores looking for something similar; a couple of
them had Australian "oilskins", but that turned out to be more like
a canvas soaked in oil, dull in color rather than shiny. Not as
aesthetic. Anyone know about oiled/waxed fabrics? And perhaps
where I might find a jacket like the one in question?

Garry Wiegand --- garry@ithaca.com --- Ithaca Software, Alameda, California
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
From: euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman)
Subject: Re: Designers endangered species?
Reply-To: euafri@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:28:42 GMT

Jennifer writes from Maine:

> After all, as they say, NO ONE is irreplacable.

Come now, Jennifer. No-one could replace Yves Saint Laurent, ever!

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Date: Monday, 25 Jan 1993 09:11:31 EST
From: <IO11283@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Designers endangered species?

I thought Patrick Kelly died of a bonemarrow disease- I didn't think it was AID
S.....

But anywho, I don't think there's a shortage of design talent out there, and th
ough perhaps a gruesome way to make room for new designers, this AIDS phenomeno
n will cause some changes in the design community, and I don't think the change
s are going to be better or worse- just different.  After all, as they say, NO
ONE is irreplacable.
From: Steve Frampton <frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: Re: Designers endangered species?
Keywords: AIDS HIV fashion design haute-couture
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:10:24 EST
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: alt.fashion
Distribution: world
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, Ontario, CANADA
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euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik stman) writes:

> What will happen if a whole generation of fashion designers just
> disappears? A lot of room will be left for young designers. Will there
> be enough talent around to fill the need, and if so will those talents
> be mature enough to do it? Who is coming and doesn't have aids?

My wife, for one.  She is in her 3rd and final year of a fashion design 
program, and she is *talented*.  So look for the name "Fenny" in
coming years.  :-)

That is, of course, if someone is smart enough to recognize her
potential and give her a job in the industry upon graduation.  :-(

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From: jll@doc.ic.ac.uk (Janice Lonsdale)
Newsgroups: alt.fashion
Subject: where in London...
Followup-To: alt.fashion
Date: 26 Jan 1993 12:57:38 GMT
Organization: Imperial College
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wplmacd-56.doc.ic.ac.uk

Where in London can I get a tube of Maybelline mascara?

I used to get it from Woolworths but they have stoped
doing make-up and it is the best mascara according to 
numerous make-up artists.  

Any suggestions?
From: mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Showboat Invitational Results
Date: 26 Jan 1993 01:14:59 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu

In article <C1Fqxp.1y0@csi.compuserve.com> dfo@csi.compuserve.com (Duane Ott) writes:
>In article <93025.21062.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>>Game 3 Aulby def Bohn 203-180.  & that new King of the Hill Bull$#!+ ...
>>Ron Williams def Aulby 216-190...$5,000
>>
>So what's wrong with the KotH? I think it's more interesting than a 5th-vs-4th
>match...especially when one guy can get a string of victories going like 
>Williams.
>

One thing is that it the KotH match seems like a big letdown for the 
eventual tournament winner.  Sure, $5k is a nice chunk of change (for
bowlers, that is...), but it doesn't compare to the 1st place prize
money and the owning of a PBA national title.  Granted, (currently)
Ron Williams has a chance at a healthy bank, but the pressure is only 
on him, it seems.  The challenger (last weekend, Aulby) has already won 
his title and check for the week, so the best he can do is an added $5k.
This being said, I can pretty much take it or leave it, at this point
in time.  Maybe if Williams goes another month, it'll begin to get
interesting.

My real gripe for this particular week was that a cohort and bowling 
buddy of mine, Tony Figuiera, finished 5th; no KotH and Tony makes his
first show...bummer...

Maybe I missed it, but does anyone know what happens if the eventual 
champion is also the current KotH?  What are they gonna do with those
extra 17 minutes? ;)

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: test...
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A78C36D132012631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:55:45 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:02:10 GMT



Just a test...I think my newsfeed upped and died...



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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Showboat Invitational Results
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 05:51:02 PST

1. Mike Aulby...$35,000
2. Parker Bohn III...$18,000
3. Hugh Miller...$10,000
4. Andy Neuer...$8,000

Game 1 Miller def Neuer 182-176.  Game 2 Bohn def Miller 232-179.
Game 3 Aulby def Bohn 203-180.  & that new King of the Hill Bull$#!+ ...
Ron Williams def Aulby 216-190...$5,000

Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling