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From: AHACC@ASUACAD.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: history of daito-ryu aikijujutsu
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:34:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: ASUACAD.92289.003404AHACC
 <1992Oct14.203648.3516@craycos.com>
Organization: Arizona State University

Steve Gombosi says:
=========================================================================
Stevens has quite a reputation as a scholar - although it was somewhat
tarnished by the errors he made in _Abundant_Peace_ (which managed
to simultaneously provoke the Aikikai and the Daitokan). One hopes he
was more careful with this work. I assume it's published by Shamballa, right?
=========================================================================

     My understanding (from talking to Stevens San) is that he was
forced to make certain "compromises" in constructing the history due
to political pressures from various factions.  Since these factions
control various bits of the material neccessary for the research,
there was little choice.  This mainly resulted in the omission of
some material that should have been included (and may form part of
a later work ...)

     Other "errors" were introduced by various parties changing
their stories about what happened and insisting upon particular
versions of history.  The bru-ha-ha with hombu arose out of
post-publication reconsiderations of what the official story
ought to have been ...

     Without going into the theory behind historical research,
I would urge you to consider the social sciences maxim:
"history is not carved in stone."  What "really" happened
100 years ago may be different next week than it is today!

     DISCLAIMER: I am not speaking for John Stevens nor are these
anything like direct quotes.

     In fact, I'm probably not even speaking for myself ...
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From: ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Troglodyte Killer)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: JUDO - Fighting for grip
Date: 13 Oct 1992 17:36:57 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


>My only serious strategy so far has been to ignore the flailing 
>hands and act like a tank, advancing on the person till I get 
>some kind of hold and then hanging on and not letting them get 
>away again.
 
>This isn't much of a strategy.  Does anyone have any ideas?  I 
>don't really want to play the same silly game.  I just want to get 
>on with the Judo.
 
     It's as much of a strategy as I've needed in Shotokan Karate.  
I'm 6'4" and 180lbs, and by closing distances it's easier to keep 
a "light on his feet" opponent off-balance.
 
                                                      -- TTK
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From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
Subject: Re: White vs. Black Dragon Kung Fu
Organization: Columbia University
	<1992Oct15.223819.13698@midway.uchicago.edu>
	<1992Oct17.014903.5174@oracle.us.oracle.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 03:20:39 GMT

> In Mandarin Pinyin, From YiJing:
> TaiJi-> LiangYi->SiXiang->BaQua
> and the 3rd one Si is 4.
> In Chinese martial art teminology, a lot of numbers have special meanings.
> Liang (2) Yi,  San (3) Cai, Si (4) Xiang, Wu (5) Hang or xing, Ba (8) Qua.

So you're saying that the numbers in these names form the progression:

1 -> 2 -> 4 -> 8

Looks like the Chinese were ahead of everybody in using binary
numbers.  When you learn a new art, you're just adding a bit to your
MA capabilities word :-).  I wonder what 16 is?  Probably some kind of
super-secret Chinese form of Green...wait a minute, there's a knock at
my door...<crunch>*thud*
	-Steve
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From: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Cool Cat)
Subject: Shotokan in Colorado
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:58:22 GMT



I like to have the addresses of the JKA/Shotokan or AAKF/Shotokan in Colorado
area. Thank you very much.

Dave.
   email: afsar@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com
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From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Pai Lum and all
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 17:32:51 GMT


Well, believe it or not, I also started with Pai Lum and my first teacher was
also taught by Daniel K. Pai, who was apparently a hit man at some point (this
is legend anyway).  When I mentioned to a Chinese friend, he only smirked, but
Pai Lum claims its origin from Okinawa (a mix of shaolin k-fu, pirate created
styles etc.).  Anyway, I won't tell my teacher's name because I think he
turned potentially effective instruction into bullshit by virtue of his awful
personality.  He also lied about his teaching "original" Yang Style T'ai Chi.
His lie was probably just misinformation.

>Oh, did I forget to say that I really think that Japanese and Korean "karate"
>is the same as Chinese with all the substance removed?

15-Oct-92 13:44	mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros)	Re: So happy (Dragons and such)

>But he left out the KOREANS!!!!!  HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Now I didn't!

:-)  (sort of)
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From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Nike Style Tai Chi?
Organization: Green Flash Associates, SA
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 92 14:25:11 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

In article <MARY.92Oct7084236@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct7.054534.20638@alw.nih.gov> drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury) writes:
>
>   In article jwalters@stsci.edu writes:
>   >In article schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:
>   >> 	Dave, you're just so knave.
>   >
>   >Uh, I think you meant naive.
>
>   Nah, he's just being rediculous.  [What *is* that tapping sound.]
>
>Listen jerk.  I'ts "reticulus".  
>
>tap tap tap.

Casting our net a bit wide, aren't we, Mary?  Well, I'm sure Stephen's next
cuttle amuse you, while others are floundering trying to decipher your pun.

And flamers, fear not - we'll soon have you eating crow, perhaps with a 
nice light chi sauce :-).  I guar-awn-tee it...:-)

	David "Frappe de Jour" Pipes
robear@digex.com
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From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: (what should I carry ?) CueDo
Organization: just me
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 14:29:21 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

In article <1992Oct11.203624.1237@walter.cray.com> radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.144924.17860@sfu.ca> guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay) writes:
>>
>>Great we have the basics we need to create a new North American martial art.
>>CueDo - the way of the pool cue. We can have the following forms: cue, bridge,
>>rack, and ball toss. :-) Or better yet we can call it HapCueDO, the way of
>>the harmonious cue.
>
>.... The school has already been founded... I've reposted a, um, workshop
>announcement, for your reading pleasure...
>
>-Lauren

		Kyute.
David Pipes

Where do *I* keep all my lawn-care papers?  On the billiards table, of course.
From: pavelg@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Pavel Gazur)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:29:02 GMT
Subject: Re: JUDO - Fighting for grip
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (SRSD MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts

I don't know how in the world you got 1st DAN in one year. 


 I know your frustration when there is grip fighting. It is legal and very
 powerfull technic. Some people ignore to learn it and do not understand
 the meaning of it.
       1. Fight for your grip that fits you .
       2. If you tired save yourself time fighting for grip
       3. Whach opponent for his favorit grip and don't allow it -
	   might be just what he needs for a throw.
       4. Let him grab you only when you already half way in and you
	  are ready to throw.
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Cleaning Rust (was Re: Chinese swords and Burt Richardson)
Date: 13 Oct 1992 21:34:55 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct12.213824.3104@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) writes:
>	Rust: if you maintain the blade properly, this is not likely to happen.
>	If it does in any event and the rust is superficial, water, detergent,
>	and #6/0 (super extra fine) steel wool will probably do the trick.
[...]
>	The best way to remove it is to have an unsewn muslin
>	buff mounted on an electric motor and charged with rouge (a very fine
>	iron oxide polishing compound).

Ick.

I have had great success removing rust and oxidation from my sword with 
alternating applications of WD-40 and mag wheel polish.  Just rub in the 
WD-40 gently with a soft cloth, wipe, rub on the polish gently, wipe clean,
repeat as necessary.

No abrasives involved, and it cleans out even deep oxidation.



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From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: Usability of shuko and sai (was Re: cat claws / shuko)
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:36:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.181632.4122@craycos.com> sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi) writes:
>By the way, the Japanese word for "chain" is "kusari". When it's the second
>part of a compound, it's pronounced (and written in romaji) "gusari".

Ahh.  So what does "gama" mean?  (e.g. the weapon kusari-gama).  A kind of kama
with a long chain & a ball at the end.  Nasty weapon..

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "A baby is an alimentary canal with a loud voice at one
shulick@indiana.edu | end and no responsibility at the other."  --Anon.
(NeXTmail welcome)  |
From: ras@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Shandross)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Tai Chi video contents ?
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:50:09 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Does it say who's performing/teaching the form/course?


Rich
From: bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Movies with 3-sectional-staff?
Date: 8 Oct 1992 16:46:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bp652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


My friend is looking for m-a movies with scenes with a three-sectional-
staff.  He recently bought one of those convert-a-staffs to use as a
bo, but since it was also a three-sectional staff, he wants to try to
learn some moves without killing himself.  I also have one, but I'm
not crazy enough to even _try_ using it in three-sectional staff mode!
I can only recall one movie, but don't remember the title.  It's where
a villager learns kung-fu from Shaolin Temple and invents the tri staff
when he cuts some bamboo during spear practice.

 -- Gil
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From: dpipes@spica.srg (Dave Pipes x4552)
Subject: Re: Radio Communications in the DOJO
Organization: just me
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 13:48:50 GMT
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts

In article <MARY.92Oct9151331@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct9.162643.23455@wdl.loral.com> tmr@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Tim Ryan) writes:
>
>   Does anybody elses, studio have radio communications in there Dojos?

All the dojo's I've seen use fiber-optic cable, except for the *Jutsu types,
who use audible morse to avoid breaks.

>
>No...and our school's a lot bigger than yours, sounds like.
>
>Did you ever find out WHY they were doing it????

Testing the effects of simultaneous sensory input on concentration.
The manager was using the headsets to project ki.
Subtle head armor.
His Dojo joined the World Martial Arts Federation.  Headcams are next.
California.
His instructors joined the Secret Service.  (Were they wearing suits?)
Distant Early Warning System for the manager.
Live action Zen koan.  ("What is the sound of one manager speaking?")

>
>How bizarre.

Indeed.

David Pipes
robear@digex.com
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From: burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick)
Subject: Re: Tae Kwan Do and the Kwans no more?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 02:14:48 GMT

In article <=ftzyjn@rpi.edu> chungy2@aix.rpi.edu (Yau Felix Chung) writes:
>Hello all!  For those out there in netland, I currently taking Tae Kwan Do
>at my college club.  The style they teach is Chung Do Kwan.  Recently I
>was told by a student outside our club, that there are no more kwans and
>that there is just one "unified" TKD.  This standarizes the accepted forms
>(hyoungs?).  Is this true?

This is true of the World Taekwondo Federation, the official governing
body for TKD, but there are numerous small federations that keep the
old kwans and hyungs alive.  There is even the ITF, which is a large
independent federation under Hong Hi Choi.

>In addtion, what consequence does this have on a student who is not a
>black bel and goes to another school where they do the current forms?  Would
>the student have to start from white again?

Depends on the instructor at the new school.  But if you don't belong
to the USTU or other association connected with the WTF, your rank
(including black belt ranks at some schools) will not be recognized
by a USTU school.

>I have also noticed that some of the forms in Chung Do Kwan are very similar
>and maybe even identical (must be my untrained eye) to those in "Karate-Do
>Kyohan" by Funakoshi of Shotokan.  Any connection here?

Big-time.  TKD itself is based on Shotokan karate, although it has 
developed into an independent art since the mid-1960s.  The forms
(Palgues) are quite similar to those in karate, while the Tae-beks
are new inventions (from the 1950s) emphasizing high stances that
go along with TKD's high kicks.  This will probably start another
flame war, but believe me, TKD is Shotokan based.  I've done a lot
of reading on the subject.

Dakin
TKD, 2nd Dan
burdickd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu



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From: das@unislc.uucp (David Shorten)
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Martial Artists
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:03:24 GMT

Jonathan J. Smith (jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: >David Poore (poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu) wrote:
: >: Dave says are true (re: tofu being a good source of protein), we require
: >: much less protein in our diet than is usually reported. 
: >: 
: >: David Poore
: >: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu
: >

I then responded with:

: >Protein needs are completely dependent on the level and type of activity
: >you perform.  I pump iron 3 days a week, and do karate 4 days a week.
: >From what I've read my intake of protein should be (and is) around 100
: >grams of usable protein a day.  A healthy, sedentary 30 year old male
: >probably can get by on 20 grams/day.  Any stress on the body will
: >require more, this includes illness, working out, mental stress, 
: >growth spurt, pregnancy, menstration, etc.
: >
: 
: Even given protein needs of a professional body builder it is quite
: possible to get by on a vegetarian diet, or the other kind
: that allows cheese and milk products.  The problem is not that
: vegies don't have enough protien, just that it is more difficult
: to get that protien out in the right proportions.
: I'd recommend getting ahold of at least 5-6 good dietary books
: that deal with a vegetarian diet.  The difficulty lies in
: balancing the proper amino acids in the right proportions to get
: full use out of the protein that you do eat.
: 
: 
: ps in case your wondering the Body Builder was
: Andreas Cahling (sp??)
: 
: I'm sure there are more than just him.
: 
Bill Pearl for another.  And most serious iron freaks stay away from 
red meat of any kind, and cheeses (because of high fat content).

I don't dispute that you can get all the usable protein you could need
from a vegetarian diet.  My post was mainly in response to D. Poore's 
last line suggesting we require much less protein than is usually reported.

I've seen the results of a study on protein requirements (I could
probably dig up a reference if anyone's interested), that suggested
an unstressful life style requires little protein intake.  But once
you put significant stress on the body protein requirements go up 
dramatically (2-5 times).  If the protein isn't present in the diet,
then muscles tissue is utilized.

We certainly don't need to eat three 14 oz. T-bones a day, but anyone
leading a physically active life (as I would imagine most readers of
this group are), will need more than 20 grams/day (which is approximately
the amount of protein in one good-sized tuna sandwich). 


Dave S.
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From: shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: cat claws / shuko
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:07:51 GMT

In article <7272@transfer.stratus.com> gmadaus@sw.stratus.com (George Madaus) writes:
>Hi Folks,
>
>A beginner's question :
>
>	what are cat claws / shuko that are being discussed in another thread
>
>Best regards,
>gm

Shuko are weapons that are strapped on the hand, and have four spikes
protruding out from the other side of your knuckles. (so instead of spikes on
the knuckles, they're on the palm side of your hand).

Also, does shuko mean claw?

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shulick@indiana.edu | end and no responsibility at the other."  --Anon.
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From: dude@losers.hacktic.nl
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: *** Advice sought on Wing Chun ***
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:01:21 GMT
Organisation: black mail inc.

In article  <3345@ariel.its.unimelb.EDU.AU>, Simon Tong writes:

 S> I have gone through the FAQ, but can't find anything on the Chinese
 S> Kung Fu style Wing Chun.  Could someone please give me a brief 
 S> introduction on this style, like its strength, weakness and 
 S> characteristics ?
 
 WC is a martial art that depends heavily on the 'center-line' principle.
 This means that you attack your opponents central body-line. Located in that
 center are a lot of targets, like the face, the groin, throat, etc etc.
 WC uses punches, grabs, fingerjabs, lowlevel kicks etc. etc.
 Well trained WC practitioners are very skilled in-fighters, and will allmost
 always pull themselves to you. One weakness I found in my training hall was
 that the training started to get more tournament-oriented, but that could
 differ from dojo to dojo.
 
 S> I am trying to pick a martial art to learn, I intend to learn
 S> some self-defence and improve my fitness, both physical and mental.
 S> Is Wing Chun suitable as a 'first' style ?

 Depends on the teacher, I guess. 
 
 S> I wear contact lenses, my eye sight is rather poor without them.
 S> Is that going to be a problem in practice ?

 Not at all. In fact, one of the excercises I liked most when I was training
 WC, was sparring blindfolded. WC relies very much on touching & feeling.
 There an excersise called 'sticky hands' or chi-sao in which you do nothing 
 else than feeling the other guys hands/arms for an opening.
 
 PS: The best way to find out what WC is like would be to train it for a while.
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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Chinese myths
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 14:02:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.211645.24354@oracle.us.oracle.com> glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
>In article <MARY.92Oct14134902@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>>I thought the kirin was an animal from Japanese mythology...in fact I'm
>>sure of it.  Is it also from Chinese mythology?
>
>Haven't heard about it.  But even if there is such a thing, it
>wouldn't be called kirin as this is not a Chinese word.
>

	I once ate at a teahouse in NYC Chinatown named after this unicorn
type animal. It's the same animal you find on Kirin beer bottles. I believe
the pronunciation was something like "kai lun" (in Cantonese).
	Don't know anything about it, except that it's probably an auspicious
animal.

	The food was okay too.

--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
From: westreic@attu.oc.nps.navy.mil (Eric Westreich)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: JEET KUNE DO TRAINING CAMP
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:21:48 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Postgraduate School,Monterey CA

1992 JEET KUNE DO ASSOC. FALL TRAINING CAMP

OCTOBER 10 & 11 - TAHLEQUAH, OKLAHOMA

OPEN TO THE PUBLIC - ALL STYLES AND RANKS WELCOME

TWO FULL DAYS:

Covers basic & advanced JKD hand & kicking techniques as well as trapping hands,
grappling and related material. Additionally WESTERN BOXING, AIKI-JITSU, 
PHILLIPINO FIGHTING/SENSITIVITY DRILLS, GROUNDFIGHTING, and NERVE STRIKING
TECHNIQUES will be covered.

Cost: Before Oct. 1 was ---  $ 89
      Now               ---  $110

INFO: Sifu Dill (918) 335-0003

-Eric
 westreic@oc.nps.navy.mil
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: the FAQ
Date: 14 Oct 1992 22:08:10 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu

In article <MARY.92Oct14140617@martinique.Cayman.COM> mary@Cayman.COM (Mary Malmros) writes:
>who practice them could, if they wanted to, compile their own documents,
>which could be included or referenced in the FAQ.  I'm thinking of things 
>like the aikido dojo directory, the judo FAQ that I heard talk of a 
>while ago, the TKD terminology post that was sent around, and so on.  

I've recently been convinced that gopher servers are the greatest invention
since the wheel.  More to the point, I think a martial arts gopher service
would be just the thing.

(Of course, this would only benefit people on the Internet, but who cares
 about the hoi polloi out there in the hinterlands, anyway.... :-)

If there is interest in this undertaking, I'd be happy to volunteer cogsci 
as the host site.



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From: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk (Bill Burgar)
Subject: naf
Reply-To: bburgar@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:39:46 +0000





>>Good news! Although the series was really pretty naf it was what
>>
>naf?


naf == trashy, bad, and expression of distain. (from London,UK).


Bill Burgar.