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From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Subject: Re: Prejudice vs racism
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:15:59 GMT

>In article <92273.1201283ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> 3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU writes:
In response to Geoff, racism is a *white* thing.  As someone pointed out racism
>>is a historical concept.  It has not always existed.  One could argue that
>>ethnocentrism is unversal.  There is a general agreement about that.  There
>>are and have been ethnic tensions throughout history based upon notions that
>one's own ethnic group is superior to others.  Racism other the other hand was
>>an invention of Europeans.  European scholars codified and systemized notions
>>of races and the superiority of European *race(s)*.  This occurred during the
>>15th century.  It is whites who assume themselves to be a superior race.
>>

The invention of races may be traceable to european/european descended people
but the exclusive of others based on their 'outsider' status is like you said,
very widespread.

Assumptions of superiority though are rampant in most cultures. The word
Sioux has a translation that is roughly "people".  Those who are not Sioux are
not actual people.  The Chinese and Japanese have historically been extremely
"ethnocentric" and have long superiority complexes.  How does their national
superiority complexes and ethnocentrism differ from white euro-centrism?  Why
is the latter racism and the former not?  I still call it racism if a Japanese
has negative steroetypes and acts on them as when a white person does the same.
He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Subject: Williamsport, PA
Organization: Department of Mathematics
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 00:19:00 GMT

Did you guys watch the ABC News Tonight tonite(Monday)?

They had a thing on a drug rehabilitation place in PA
and how the townsfolk are up in arms and want the center
to get out of town. Apparently, it is as a result of the
people who've come for treatment there and decided to stay
that crime is on the increase in the area...

Er, one more thing, nobody seems to have said anything until
the number of blaks going there for treatment got higher,
proportionately, than the whites...

--
lk(with the man in the yellow hat)
From: robart@agora.rain.com (Robert Barton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Apportioning blame
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:43:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Organization

In article <37265@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.022253.14662@m.cs.uiuc.edu> carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll) writes:
>
># In article <1992Sep29.002858.681@morrow.stanford.edu>,
># HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford. edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
># > Health care, like
># > public schools, is not a privilege, its a basic human right.
>#
># False. If you were the only human alive, you'd have neither. Your
># "basic human rights" would be violated. But who, exactly, would be
># violating them?
>
>Oh, please spare us the silly, reductionist arguments.  By that same
>sort of law-of-the-jungle logic, you would have no right to private
>property, and all your elegant economic theories would come crashing
>down.


  Not at all.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Atlanta Project
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:39:59 GMT

This is in reply to ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis), who wrote:
:In article <1992Oct2.013739.13648@gagme.chi.il.us> barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart) writes:
:>This is in reply to st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm), who wrote:
:>:This morning on NPR there was a feature report on the Atlanta Project,
:>:which former pres. Jimmy Carter has devoted a lot of time to see going.
:>:Evidently most of the operations funds are geared towards organizing 
:>:people for response to the city's needs in responding to poverty and crime.
:>:But there seems to be a backlash against the project recently by 
:>:some civil rights leaders.  Can anyone in Atlanta give us details?
:>:
:>:Steve Timm
:>
:>I have before me the January 20, 1992 issue of The Wall Street
:>Journal, or more accurately, this story that appeared on page
:>A14:
:>
:		[article deleted]
:
:the article was pretty interesting but i would comment that the wall
:street journal is very unlikely to present the point of view of civil
:rights leaders in its articles...

Well, hold on, now.  There's the WSJ editorial pages, and then there's
the WSJ news pages, and never the twain shall meet.  The non-op/ed
reporters and writers are not held to any litmus tests at all.  One of
them, James Stewart, has become (ironically) quite wealthy bashing
the Wall St. industrial complex.

Let's also remember that Alex Kotlowitz, the gifted writer of _There
Are No Children Here_, is a WSJ reporter.  (Yes, I realize Kotlowitz's
book would never have got written were it not for those two kids and
especially their mother taking him in, confiding in him, and letting
him tell their stories.  But we digress.)

There was much more to the article on the Atlanta Project so I 
suggest that you look it up.

Aaron
From: FKR@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Williamsport, PA
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:35:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92273.123517FKR
Organization: Penn State University

Larry,

I've watched ABC News and apparently Ed Bradley of 60 Minutes did a piece on
the same subject.  Williamsport is about 70 miles NE of the main campus of
Penn State.  That's where I'm at.  Anyway, let me try to give some inside to
the story...

First, Williamsport, like many other communities thruout Central, Pa have
some historical significance to Blacks in the state.  Many of these
communities were "stops" on the Underground Railroad.  In fact, inWilliams-
port, they still have parts of the "trail" which goes into upper New York on
on into Canada.  These areas became populated by black families who stayed
in the area fleeing slavery from the Ante-Bellum South.
Today's generation are descendants of slave families who originally settled
there- at least before the "influx" phenomena started.

Second, what's happening in Billtown is a phenomena the folx call "influx."
This refers to blacks who migrated recently as a result of detox in the drug
rehab program going on there.  The rehab program has been going on for
years.  Recently, it's attracting a lot of "attention" becuase Williamsport
is having problems dealing w/ the number of blacks who are settling in the
area.  The drug rehab program used to have numbers of whites prior to 10
years ago.  Now most ppl in the program are black.  Because of this, the
"success" of the program is being questioned.

Last year, I posted an article about a KKK rally in the town.  Well part of
that rally was becuase of the "influx problem".  Because the program is
attracting many blacks, the town and surrounding areas are concerned because
they are blaming the rise in crime, etc with these "influx" folx.

As far as I know, the folx come to get their lives together.  They get away
from the big city life and many choose to stay in the area which is
contrasted greatly.  Williamsport is small compared to Philly and New York
megapolis.  What happens when to program fails to detox anyone?  That's
what is in the news.  It seems that the city officials believe the influx
are the cause of the increased crime which came to the area.  This maybe true
somewhat, but after the folx are detoxed, they still have to find
employment, housing, etc.  It seems no one has a way to handle those
problems.

I know this somewhat becuase my wife's family is from Williamsport.  She
grew up there, and the population has changed from a town where everybody
knows everyone to one that's impersonal like a big city.  Some may say this
is a result of the influx :-)

Those are not my beliefs.  I'm just giving you a scoop on how some view the
situation.


Fred Rozenblad
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Subject: Rev Jackson
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: soc
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:13:10 GMT

What seminary school did Rev Jackson attend? Has he ever had a
congregation(church that is, not political)?  If so, where was it and when was
he there?  

Thanks...
He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: rjp@sabre.bellcore.com (Ronald Plummer)
Subject: Re: Good books on African-American history?
Reply-To: rjp@sabre.bellcore.com (Ronald Plummer)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 15:33:42 GMT

Here's a partial list I snarfed from the IMHOTEP BBS in NYC

 1. Black Man of the Nile and His Family          - Dr. Yusef A. A. Ben-Jochannan
 2. Africa, mother of Western Civilization
 3. African Origin of the major Western Religions
 4. The African Origin of Civilization: Myth or Reality- Cheikh Anta Diop
 5. Civilization or Barbarism
 6. The Cultural Unity of Black Africa
 7. Pre Colonial Black Africa
 8. The Destruction of Black Civilization              - Chancellor Williams
 9. African World Revolution/Africans at the Crossroads- John Henrik Clarke
10. Introduction to African Civilization               - John G. Jackson 
11. Christianity Before Christ
12. Stolen Legacy                                      - George G. M. Jackson 13. Wonderful Ethiopians                               - Drucilla Dunjee Houston
14. Ancient Egypt, Light of the World                  - Gerald Massey
15. From Superman to Man                               - J. A. Rogers
17. They Came Before Columbus                          - Ivan Van Sertima
18. Nile Valley Civilizations
19. Egypt Revisited
20. Blacks in Science
21. African Presence in Early America
22. African Presence in Early Europe
23. African Presence in Early Asia
24. Black Women in Antiquity
25. Great African Thinkers                             - Cheikh Anta Diop
26. The Story of the Moors in Spain                    - Stanley Lane-Poole
27. The Mis-Education of the Negro                     - Carter G. Woodson
28. Hanibal, Man of Destiny                            - M. Taleb
29. The Instruction of Ptah Hotep                      - Ptah Hotep (B.C.)
30. The Isis Papers                                   - Dr. Francis Cres Welsing
31. The Iceman Inheritance                            - Michael bradley
32. Kemet, Afrocentricity, and Knowledge              - Molefi Kete Asante
33. Metu Neter                                        - Ra Un Nefer Amen
34. The Egyptian Book of the Dead: Translated by:     - E. A. Wallis Budge
35. Life in Ancient Egypt                             - Adolf Erman


                                     hope this helps... rjp   

-- 
Ronald J. Plummer
Bell Communications Research
331 Newman Springs Rd.
NVC-1H219
Red Bank, NJ 07701
(908) 758-2187 (Voice)  (908) 758-4192 (FAX)
rjp@sabre.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Atlanta Project
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:53:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.QemSaAa00WB7A9sHxF
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

This morning on NPR there was a feature report on the Atlanta Project,
which former pres. Jimmy Carter has devoted a lot of time to see going.
Evidently most of the operations funds are geared towards organizing 
people for response to the city's needs in responding to poverty and crime.
But there seems to be a backlash against the project recently by 
some civil rights leaders.  Can anyone in Atlanta give us details?

Steve Timm
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: RE: Readership for the s.c.a. groups
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:51:10 GMT

In article <4OCT92.20303336@skyfox.usask.ca>,
oguocha@skyfox.usask.ca writes:
>Boy, we are trying!!!!
>Go on and give us more news and we shall rank 100th next time.
>thank you for the good job you are doing.
>oguocha.
.
.
Just how many bboards are on usenet anyway?  499's OK by me.
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Thomas credibility takes a hit.
Date: 4 Oct 92 22:05:20 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory


 
According to Headline News Network, 68% of Americans believed Clarence
Thomas  (as opposed to Anita Hill) during his confirmation hearing;
however, that number has now dropped to 38%.

Interesting....
--
Peace.
          "Any Black man who's educated and speaks articulately is not 
           considered 'really' Black.  It's the same reason people think 
           you're a dyke."
"People think I'm a dyke?"
          "Take it as a compliment,  I've learned to."
                                    -Kyle Baker, Why I Hate Saturn
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Good videos and books on tapes
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:13:53 GMT

This is in reply to seove@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (ERIC OVERTON), who wrote:
:Greetings.
:
:I checked (from the public library) a video presentation by/about Gordon
:Parks, author, photographer, composer, filmmaker, poet, and more.  He made the
:films, "Shaft", and "The Learning Tree".  This video was called, "Gordon
:Park's Visions".  This man is one of the most interesting people that I've
:ever seen.  Also watched one on Booker T. Washington and one on Mayo Angelou
:with Bill Moyers about "Creativity".  Other books on tapes by/about Alice
:Walker, Mayo Angelou, and James Baldwin were very good.  
:
:Peace,
:
:Eric Overton


Parks was about 30-40-50 years ahead of his time.  His most notable
achievement is, photographer and author for LIFE Magazine in its heyday.
He was the best.  Thanks for the reminder to brush up on him.

Aaron
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Af-Ams in the U.S. Military
Date: 30 Sep 1992 18:43:24 -0400
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <1992Sep30.192650.12027@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Arthur Johnson) writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.001408.27526@morrow.stanford.edu>  
>HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>tool for the volunteer military. The soldiers also get a VA housing  
>voucher, which lets them buy a house of up to $140,000 at a discounted  
>interest rate and even without a down payment. I believe the VA even sends  
>its own inspectors to check out the prospective house to make sure that it  
>meets all the building codes. In addition, whenever a veteran takes a  

I was in the AF from 1982 til 1886, and here's what they were
offering, WRT bennies and the like:

You could contribute to a school fund, which the AF would match,
up to 18K, I think (Been a while)... There were also special pro-
grams, like bootstrap, etc., but you usually had to go for a com-
mission, and sign on for several years as an officer after you 
got your degree to qualify.

The VA certificate is nice...

I used mine to buy my house. Currently, the max. loan amount is
$187,000, and the terms of the loan stipulate that they buyer
can pay no more than 1 point of the finance costs. There is no
down payment required. This is really nice, because when you
are in the military, or have just gotten out, you usually don't
have much money to spare.

As far as the Civil Service stuff, I have no idea... I think I
remember hearing that veterans do receive preferential treatment
WRT hiring procedures, though...

Hope that helps

-- Mike
From: cwm54@cas.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Malcom X School
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:09:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: cas.1992Sep29.180905.10831
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio

In article <11235@crackers.clearpoint.com> martillo@nero.clearpoint.com (Joachim Martillo) writes:
>In article <28SEP199210152285@venus.tamu.edu> eah0065@venus.tamu.edu (HASKIN, EDWARD ARTHUR) writes:
>>For years the public education system has been geared to one culture, Eurocentr
>>icism. It's a basic realization that public schools don't serve the needs of
>>many of our African American youth. So why is their a big deal over altering
>>a teaching program that will cater to their specific needs.
>
>They need to be mainstreamed rather than be indocrinated in
>Afrocentrentic B.S.


   Boy, you have your head WAY up there. Can you see his appendix?




>
>>America is so hypocritical when it comes to the idea of the "Melting Pot."
>>We are finally at a point where African Americans see that the U.S. Public
>>School system is institutionally racist and now there is an effort to show
>>African Americans some sort of pride and self-esteem and Europeans are getting
>>upset.
>
>Just as Irish, Sicilians, Japanese and Chinese have, Black Americans
>must renounce their mindlessly stupid cultural heritage (just as I
>renounce my mindlessly stupid cultural heritage) and accept civilized
>Western modern culture as their own.

       We jungle bunnies can never be TRULY "civilized. You know that.

>
>No better way that American Blacks remain subordinate, oppressed and
>outside the mainstream.  What a bigot Haskin is!  Race is not destiny!

	    Could have fooled me.


>
>American parochials have no idea what true oppression and racialism
>is.  If you want to learn about true oppression and racialism go live
>in Latin American, Africa, E.Asia, India or the Middle East for a
>decade or so.  The sorts of unpleasantries which occur in the USA are
>truly penny-ante.


	   We just complain for no reason don't we. Shame on us.

     Martillo, you Ajamit right up there don't you. You ought to be as
     brown as me...at least your head should be.

	 You're a lost cause, not worthy of anymore of my responses.



>>Integration not Assimilation
>
>>Edward A. Haskin
>>Graduate Student
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Waste of taxpayer money.
>
>--
>Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami
>
>The article represents noone's opinions other than the author's.

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		       My views only and not those of CAS.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: gdsimpso@unix.amherst.edu (GILBERTO DANIEL SIMPSON)
Subject: Latino E-Mailing List
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:54:30 GMT


 
        Hola Folks,
 
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Amherst College. I am writing to tell people about a computer mailing list
which was started last semester to try to foster communication between Latino
students (as well as other interested people) across the country. The list has
been relatively successful and has over a hundred subscribers around the world.
        People have used it to share information about social/academic events
held on college campuses, scholarship and research opportunities for Latino/
Hispanic students, and current events connected to Latinos, both in the United 
States and in Latin America.
        The intended focus is on issues of concern to Latino students, but
anyone's input or participation is welcome. The membership is diverse and 
includes people of many different nationalities and occupations. Several members
have connections with other Latino organizations and computer networks and so
this list can give its membership access to a wide range of quick, reliable
information.
        If the list continues to grow, it has the potential to create a large
network of students accross the country and facilitate the progress of la raza.
Its strenth depends on an increasing membership who can take advantage of the
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        If you are interested in becoming a subscriber to this e-mailing list,
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From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Its about F****** time!
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:11:46 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

For those of you who watch the Sunday morning political talk shows (Meet
the Press, Face the Nation, the Mclaughlin Report), it seems to me that
high-ranking officials in the current administration are evidencing a
great deal of frustration and are, indeed, flustered with their
inability to chop (or at this point even chip) away at Gov. Clinton's
lead.

I, for one, am damn happy that the experiences of the last twelve years
are coming to an end.  While it is too true that America has never
treated African-Americans particularly kindly, the last twelve years
have witnessed the regression of ANY kind of values, spurred on by
Messers. Reagan, Bush, Baker, Cheney, Darman, Quayle, et al.

These men, for all intents and purposes, ushered in an era of economic
disaster, increasing racial intolerance and strife, apathy, and an
unwillingness to seek justice on a myriad of counts.

The twisted logic and self-serving behavior of the upper (cited by
itself, for the sole reason that the average $20,000 a year Bush
follower is so blind and utterly ignorant that its difficult to blame an
idiot for an inability to make good decisions) echelons of the
Republican party has spawned an atmosphere bent on supressing those
different from themselves (Rich, white, elitist...).

If you happen to be in Pittsburgh on November 3rd, I extend an open
invitation to you to come PARTY with me and my friends when this
nastiness is swept out for at least four years.  

DCAL