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From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: FSU and ND next year...
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:45:29 GMT

In article <76101@apple.apple.COM> Mark B. Johnson, mjohnson@Apple.COM
writes:
>system.  It is the system, not the QB that works (although there have
been some
>excellent Miami QBs in the past). 

I agree with this statement in part, but which system are you referring
to.  There have been three different head coaches and many more QB
coaches since Jim Kelly.  If no one else will give Gino some credit, I
(and the HEISMAN committee) will.

FRANK
__________________________________________
Go 'Canes & Cowboys
frank@wanda.princeton.edu
__________________________________________
From: elpwestg@nuscc.nus.sg (West)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Roger's conference rankings--corrected
Date: 13 Jan 93 03:07:36 GMT
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
: A couple of people pointed out that I had Utah St and UTEP in the wrong 
: conferences, so here are some corrections.  I'll provide the whole list 
: again as a special favor to a certain Michigan fan who thinks strength of 
: schedule doesn't matter.

Are you referring to ME?!?!?!? I'm sure I never claimed that schedule
strength doesn't matter AT ALL. It's just a matter of degree, isn't it?
Obviously a college team with 11 one-point victories over high school teams
shouldn't be rated very highly. On the other hand, if an 11-0 Big Ten team
were to play an 11-0 Pac Ten team for the MNC and win by one point, then I
think the Big Ten team would deserve the MNC, don't you? Despite the .31
differential. What if the differential were .01? Would you still vote for
the Pac Ten team? Or how about .00000000000001? Is there any point beyond
which other factors must be considered? Factors that can't be quantified
by some... COMPUTER? Like "winning the big one for the championship", for
instance. How much "weight" does that carry? I would hate to see your
computer make winning the big game meaningless. So if Michigan and
Washington had gone into the Rose Bowl as the only two undefeated teams in
the NCAA and Michigan had won, you would still give the MNC to Washington
because of schedule strength? You say that you object to the theory that
you're only as good as your last game - well, so do I. There are a lot of
other factors. The point you're missing is that the Rose Bowl or any other
bowl for that matter is more than just "the last game" - it's THE BIG GAME
and your program doesn't make that distinction, apparently.

: CONFERENCE		AVG TEAM WEIGHT
: ----------		---------------
: PAC-10				1.40
: ACC				1.33
: SEC				1.28
: Big East			1.14
: Big 10				1.09
: Big 8				1.04
: SWC				1.03
: WAC				.97
: MAC				.74
: Big West			.63
: 
: We might argue about the first four, but I think we can probably all agree 
: on the order of the last six.
: 
: --------------------------------------------------------------------
:      But that's just MY opinion.	Roger Dendy
:      acdendy@convx1.lerc.nasa.gov	Analex Corp.
: --------------------------------------------------------------------
: 	"We don't need any characters hangin' around to 
: 	 give the joint atmosphere."
: --------------------------------------------------------------------
Gerald West
National University of Singapore
elpwestg@nuscc.nus.sg
"So little time. So little to do."   -  Oscar Levant
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Date: 5 Jan 1993 22:35:07 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

I would just like to take this opportunity to point out that my alma mater,
Southern Methodist University, currently has a longer winning streak than 
the Miami Hurricanes.  

Thank you very much.

GT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Miami Sugar Bowl Question
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:10:06 GMT

tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:


>Hi.  Wow, what an exiting game that was!  Their is no doubt that Alabama
>is the
>best team in college football this year.  

>My question is if Miami is the Hurricanes why is there mascot a bird?

>GT

Probably for the same reason Bama's is an elephant !!!    :-)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: trn@ornl.gov (Nelson T R)
Subject: Re: Stadium Survey
 
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:54:46 GMT
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In article <1993Jan1.081615.24689@athena.mit.edu>, chu@mtl.mit.edu writes:
>In article <1JAN199300341388@utkvx2.utk.edu> applcore@utkvx2.utk.edu (Core,  
>Andrew) writes:>
>> Anyway, Neyland Stadium allows no drinking, which may come as a surprise to
>> anyone who has bee to a game.  And no smoking starting next year.
>> 
>> I wish they'd close off the north end - that would surely add another 15,000
>> seats.
>> _
>> Go Vols!
>> Andrew Core
>> applcore@utkvx.utk.edu
>
>So what's the deal with Neyland Stadium?  They were supposed to close
>off that north end a long time ago.  Insufficient funds?  I think UT
>could easily fill up a 120,000 seat stadium.
>--
>Bill Chu                         chu@mtl.mit.edu
>MIT Submicron Structures Lab     (NeXT mail welcome)

I agree that UT could fill a larger stadium, but rather than enclosing the upper 
north end of Neyland stadium, they have chosen to improve the other sporting 
facilities. Recent(<5yr)/current projects include:
 
Basketball - Thompson-Bowling Arena  - seating over 25,000 at a cost of $30M+
Baseball - Lyndsey Nelson Stadium - a beautiful new facility under construction
Football - New 70 YD indoor practice facility
	   New athletic dorms
	   Expansive new weight training facility
Swimming - Renovations to the Aquatic Center
Track - Resurfacing Tom Black track and adding new scoreboard/timers

The next change to Neyland Stadium will most likely be replacing the worn turf,
possibly with real grass. 


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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Sugar Bowl Question
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:54:54 GMT
Organization: .

dhead writes:
>>> 
>>>- goober (what's the name of that damn bird anyways) smith
>>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Actually, I thought it was Sebastian.  He's an ibis, although it looks like
>the Crimson tide mistook him for a chicken and plucked him and fried him up
>for dinner!

An _ibis_?  What's that?  And what makes it so unique?

--J.J.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kollur@aix.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri)
Subject: Re: record comeback
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:33:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.1539.20614@execnet> "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com> writes:
>It has been widely reported that Frank Reich has now led the greatest
>comebacks in both NFL, and NCAA history.
>
>
>I thought that Maryland's back from 31 - Zip  versus Miami
>in 1984 was a record at the time, but that it had since been eclipsed.
>
>
>Does anyone know of any greater comebacks in college football?
>
>Perhaps Reich still has the record if you only count Division 1-AA. 
>---
> ~ DeLuxe} 1.21 #11688 ~ al.sorhaindo@execnet.com
>--
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>International ILink Host


Date     Deficit            Score

11/2/91  35 pts  Nevada 55, Weber St. 49 (49-16, 12:16 left in 3rd Q)    
11/8/80  33 pts  Wis-Platteville 52, Wis-Eau Claire 43 (33-0, 7:00 left 2nd Q)
9/15/84  33 pts  Salisbury St. 34, Randolph Macon 33 (33-0, 14:18 left  2nd Q)
9/20/86  32 pts  Morehead St. 36, Wichita St. 35 (35-3, 9:04 left in 3rd Q)
11/10/84 31 pts  Maryland 42, Miami 40 (41-0, 12:35 left in 3rd Q)
10/28/89 31 pts  Ohio St. 41, Minnesota 37 (31-0, 4:29 left in 2nd Q)

The last two are div 1-A, the 1st and 4th ar Div 1-AA while the 2nd and 3rd
are Div II.
Ramana
Roll Tide!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher)
Subject: Big 10 - size (NMS)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:59:35 GMT


My almanac, which is a few years old:

Mich. St  44576
Mich.     47081
Purdue    44796
Minn.     59000
OSU       57604
UW        39000
ILL.      35152


(My understanding is NMS have a scholarship to be used at the school of their
choice - some are full rides, some not)

Ohio St trying to recruit the best students is no different than what most 
univs. have done for decades. They may have recently put more emphasis on
it, since they are now a football semi-wimp.

Cooper's a puss! Hire Jerry Faust.
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cooper - Ohio St - Chris Stassen
Date: 8 Jan 1993 00:24:01 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

>allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren) writes:
>>jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
>>
>>>Because of some rather nasty things said about Cooper's 
>>>coaching tactics, I have, via private email, been threatened by Chris 
>>>Stassen with stuff like
>>
>>> "I have forwarded your postings to John Cooper. It will be interesting
>>>  to see his reaction. It may even be grounds for legal action.
>>> 
>>>                                                   Chris Stassen"
>>> 
>>
>>>Worse yet, he even told his big sister, the attorney, on me!
>>
>>
>>If he reproduces private email you send to him without your express
>>written consent (email or otherwise), you may have grounds for legal
>>action against him.  Also, you can put a copyright statement in your
>>.sig file to be attached to all your mail which can state something
>>to the effect of "This message is copyrighted to James R.
>>Fehnrenbacker.  Any rebroadcast, copy, or  . . . without the express
>>written consent of James R. Fehnrenbacker is considered illegal and
>>can be . . . ".  In other words, you can copyright anything you
>>post and have it legal and binding.  BTW, just for the record, since
>>I am not a legal aide, or a lawyer, any advice I give to you should
>>be verified through legal means as my advice is advice only, and
>>therefore comes free of charge.

Is this really true?  I always thought that a copyright had to be 
registered by whatever government agency is responsible for that sort of
thing.  Furthermore, I am not nearly so convinced that mail (or e-mail)
is the property of the sender.  If I had to guess, I would say that it
is the property of whomever recieved the mail.  Of course, I am not a 
lawyer either, and all of this is just a guess (excepting this last
disclaimer sentence, which is just covering my butt!).

****************************************************************************
Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   There is no such thing as "rock bottom".
University of Washington      *   
Seattle, WA 98195             *
****************************************************************************
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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Next season's kickoff games (was: More Bowl comments)
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 23:04:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.172127.11958@walter.bellcore.com>,
kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge) wrote:

> MATCHUP I'D MOST LIKE TO SEE RIGHT NOW:  Florida State vs. Alabama

Well, that ain't happening anytime soon, but when do the invites
go out for the Pigskin and Kickoff classics? Who might be the leading
candidates for these games?
 
> Hope you all enjoyed 'em like I did.  Nothing like clicking between
> four simultaneous games on NYD and being able to catch every play...

Did your finger(s) or clicker wear out???

James
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tjbowman@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: Re: Smiley instructions:  Was Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Reply-To: tjbowman@emt.b17c.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:41:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.215900.4154@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan6.192423.18310@infonode.ingr.com> tjbowman@emt.b17c.ingr.com writes:
|> > In article <1993Jan6.150236.375@newssun.med.miami.edu>, dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
|> > |> In article <1993Jan5.185017.15950@infonode.ingr.com> tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com writes:
|> > |> 
|> > |> >|> Alabama!!   You better hope we don't see you in the Sugar Bowl next year!
|> > |> >|> 
|> > |> >|> ;7)
|> > 	my remarks had nothing to do with your smiley, which, by the way
|> > 	when used with the semi-colon instead of a colon, pun intended 8)
|> > 	is normally used as sarcasm.
|> 
|> I've spent the last 6 years investigating this phenomena known as the 
|> "Smiley."  Using a colon means you have 2 beady eyes, that's all.
|> The semi-colon, however, means one eye has just winked, which changes
|> the whole thing to a Winky.  With a Winky, picture that the author 
|> tells you something and then winks.  Maybe sarcasm, maybe inside information,
|> maybe just a tease.  Using a 7 as a nose means you have a big, pointy nose.
|> Using a caret ^ means you have a nice, prominent nose.  Using an 8 for the
|> eyes means you have big, expressive eyes or maybe you're bug-eyed.
|> A ) smile is the normal smile.  A ( changes the whole thing to a Frowny;
|> definitely hurts the author to write it.  Capping the whole thing off with
|> a d (baseball cap) means you're sporty or casual in your statement.
|> Not using a nose, such as in :) means you have a little pinhead with the
|> eyes scrunched down.   In all cases you must view the characterization
|> by first pinning your left ear onto your left shoulder.  Failure to do
|> this removes anything you might learn from the whole thing.  Next time,
|> know what you're talking about.    d;^).
|> 
|> 
	DAMN, I was wrong AGAIN !!!!  This is unprecedented !!!  Stop the
	press !!!  d8^0  <-- so what does this mean?  BTW, I wear glasses
	so that's why I use the "8".  Maybe you could post this as a FAQ?

	Roll Tide !!

	"...pay attention boy, I ain't no chicken.  I'll show you a chicken"
				-FoghornLeghorn
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann)
Subject: Big East Review:  BOSTON COLLEGE
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:58:38 GMT


Progressing up the Big Eaat final standings, we reach the bowl
teams.  First, Boston College.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------


Boston College:  The Eagles Have Landed.

BC opened their season with an impressive win over Rutgers and followed 
that win with three straight shutouts.

    BC 37  Rutgers 20
    BC 49  Northwestern 0
    BC 28  Navy 0
    BC 14  Michigan State 0

The Eagles leveled off a bit with a tie and two narrow wins before blasting
hapless Temple.  And then the wheels fell off -- a pounding by Notre Dame
and Syracuse before the Eagles dumped Army.  Off to the Hall of Fame Bowl
where Tennessee won easily.  Overall, Coach Tom Coughlin has the Eagles
flying high at 8-3-1, and a brand new, beefed-up, long-term contract.


Soaring:

1.  Three consecutive shutouts catapulted BC into the National Polls.

2.  A bowl game, even a loss, has brought the Eagles out of their 
5-year lethargy.

3.  Standouts Chuckie Dukes (RB) on offense and Tom McManus on defense.
Both are seniors and should do well in the NFL draft, especially McManus,
as Dukes may be too small (5'9, 185) for the pros.


Grounding:

1.  A 1-3 record in their final four games.

2.  A weak schedule helped in the early going but didn't prepare them for
the tests at the end of the season.


                 1992*  1991*   1990    1989    1988    1987    1986
Boston College   8-3-1   4-7     4-7     2-9     3-8     5-6     9-3   

*Tom Coughlin's years (12-10-1).

-- 
"Listen up son, and pay attention.   |  Bob Dieckmann (rwd@quartet.att.com)
How ya' gonna learn anything if you  |  GO: Mets (& dear old Rutgers)
always got your head in a book?"     |  I probably should've included smileys.
                -- Foghorn Leghorn   |  **usual disclaimer**
From: CEXHSC@TEVM2.NSC.COM (Eric Huang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Ohio State Citrus Bowl thoughts
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:07:26 GMT
Reply-To: CEXHSC@TEVM2.NSC.COM (Eric Huang)
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

Well, as long as that bullethead Cooper is still head coach,
you'll just keep getting disappointed.

Go Blue!

wkh
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: FSU and ND next year...
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:14:52 GMT

Back to FSU...it was on the radio this morning that junior OLB
Sterling Palmer has entered the draft. This is the second LB
that FSU is losing to the draft.

James
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: landers@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Hazard Class Mage)
Subject: Re: Cooper - Ohio St - Chris Stassen
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:22:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.194242.20853@cbnewse.cb.att.com> jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
>I have, via private email, been threatened by Chris 
>Stassen with stuff like
>
> "I have forwarded your postings to John Cooper. It will be interesting
>  to see his reaction. It may even be grounds for legal action.
> 
>                                                   Chris Stassen"
> 
>
>Worse yet, he even told his big sister, the attorney, on me!

Perhaps big sister will clue Chris into the realities of Libel law.
Libel against a public figure is one of the hardest things to
prove in court.


-- 
   <===========================><===============================>
   || Christopher Landers      ||  Stamp Out Silly Signatures! ||
   <============== landers@mentor.cc.purdue.edu ================>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher)
Subject: Cooper - Ohio St - Chris Stassen
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:42:42 GMT
Summary: little Fascists everywhere

Beware! Big Brother Chris is watching you.
Thought the Netnewsers might be interested in this:

Because of some rather nasty things said about Cooper's 
coaching tactics, I have, via private email, been threatened by Chris 
Stassen with stuff like

 "I have forwarded your postings to John Cooper. It will be interesting
  to see his reaction. It may even be grounds for legal action.
 
                                                   Chris Stassen"
 

Worse yet, he even told his big sister, the attorney, on me!

That's real Fascist of you Chris. You see something you don't like about
your favorite coach and you start playing electronic snitch. You're a
swell guy. You must be proud. Burned any books you don't like lately?
Ever read the first amendment?

(P.S.: Cooper's still a shitty coach!)
(But at least he hasn't punched any opposing players yet)
Lines: 6
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 09:18:31 MST
From: zimms@newt.ee.byu.edu (Stephen H. Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Distribution: na
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
Subject: Re: Cooper - Ohio St - Chris Stassen


I gotta say that regardless of legal technicalities, I side with Mr. Stassen
on this one.   Oh yeah--Chris, is it too late to submit my bowl picks for the
92-93 season? (I have a feeling 'Bama and Notre Dame will win big) :) :)

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Kilpatrick)
Subject: Re: Sugar Bowl comments
Reply-To: jeff@jlk.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:02:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.231936.23927@dbsun.uucp>, harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
|> 
|> No, I would say your sample size of 1 game was representative of the
|> entire season.  Barker only played QB one year in high school, and he
|> played in an offense that mostly ran the ball.  Hopefully Stallings
|> will find a suitable replacement.  One of the new recruits appears to
|> have great QB potential.
|> 
Phil,

  You can't be trying to get rid of Barker!  He can't run, he can't throw, but
he's 17-0 as a starter; what more could you ask for?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: witek@b8.b8.ingr.com (Vic Witek)
Subject: Re: Florida!  THE college football state
Summary: Yeah,...Sure.
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:38:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.224740.16462@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, hoequist@brtph642.BNR.CA (Charles Hoequist P250) writes:
> No, Florida does not import its football talent. The only article
> I've ever seen on football demographics made the point that FL and CA
> were the two major exporters of football players to the rest of the 
> country. With California, one could account for it by saying they
> have the largest pool of potential players, but it leaves Florida's
> standing mysterious.
> 
> -ceh
>   

If Florida doesn't import its football talent, why are the starting
quarterbacks for UF,FSU and UM from Mississippi, Georgia and California?
Kind of makes you wonder. 
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