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From: ezag637@chpc.utexas.edu (Steve Manifold)
Subject: Bike Wanted
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Distribution: austin
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 20:53:56 GMT

I'm posting this for a friend.  He is looking for a 54-56 cm road
bike in the $200 - $300 range, but would go higher for a really
good deal.  Anybody in the Austin area have a bike they want to
get rid of?

Please reply by E-mail to me.

Thanks

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________________
Steve Manifold                                              University of Texas 
ezag637@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu                           College of Engineering
tasc637@crovax.cem.utexas.edu                       Center for Electromechanics
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: rodrigul@ibg.colorado.edu (Larry Rodriguez)
Subject: Cateye Micro and Vectra for sale
Organization: IBG, University of Colorado, Boulder
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:31:54 GMT

The computers have been sold.  Thanks to those who responded.

Larry Rodriguez
From: sjm3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SALEM JON MAZZAWY)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: RF -> Thumbshifter $$
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:48:44 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>sure).  So you might as well get the best you can get the first time.
>I think the XT's are like $40-50, so hack your brake levers to save
>bucks on those and put it into your shifters.  You can allways change

If you don't want to buy the XT levers but still want quality, get a pair of
the DX (it might be called DeoreII) shifters.   The internals are the same as
the XT but they have a slightly heavier steel clamp (maybe one ounce)
                                            Salem
From: fhn@oclc.org (James Feehan)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Campy Chorus Crank Forsale
Date: 27 Jan 93 14:19:57 GMT
Organization: OCLC, Dublin Ohio.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

I have a used campy chorus crank set length 172.5 (53 X 42) that I am willing
to sell. It was used for 1 season, and have some small scratches.  I will
include a athena bottom bracket for $45.00 and I will pay shipping.

Jim Feehan
fhn@oclc.org
From: mtaffe@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Michael Taffe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Shimano taking over...:-(
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:58:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <MLY.93Jan21131034@atalanta.adoc.xerox.com> mly@adoc.xerox.com (Richard Mlynarik) writes:
(My comments about leaving Suntour for Shitmano deleted.)

>It seems that large numbers of cyclists (both on the net and on the
>road) are constantly retiring or throwing away perfectly good
>components...
>
>If I had
>early-eighties vintage Superbe Pro components, I imagine I'd be
>largely completely happy with them still.
>
I guess my phrasing was a bit misleading... when I said "switched over to
Shitmano" I mean't my loyalties and thus my (needed) new purchases.  My old
bike had been stolen and needed replacing.

>Now, just so this message isn't just a bunch of pointless
>"retro-grouch" whining, I have a question to ask: where are all the
>nice, unwanted Superbe and Dura Ace single-pivot brakes, the nice,
>unwanted Campag quill pedals, the perfectly-running five-year-old
>Campag hubs, the the DA non-shifting brake levers, etc, etc?  Are they
>buried in municipal dumps, have they been given away to
>underprivileged children's charities or Bikes not Bombs, or are they
>just they just sitting in boxes or on unridden bicycles in suburban
>garages?
>
>PS Why isn't anybody giving them away to me?

I keep the few redundant replacement parts that I have in my closet for
several reasons.  1) I might break something and need an emergency replacement
2) maybe i'll eventually have enough parts for a commuter/guest bike. 3) The
things I retire are so beat-up that it would be a crime to sell them--both
the buyer and the seller would be ripped off.

Final points for the retro-grouches:  Even though the new gee-whiz stuff sells
extremely well, remember that the market is currently expanding so a great
deal of new stuff is going to new consumers.  Secondly, don't be too quick
to claim that new technology "just isn't worth it for Cat. X racing".  At any
level of racing the competition is close.  (This is the point of having these
ability based categories.)  People can be just as competetive as world class
atheletes even if they don't happen to have world class legs!  The point is
that even in Category 5 racing, click shifting, clipless pedals, STI and a
whole host of future developments _can_ make a difference in the outcome.

Mike Taffe
mtaffe@ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: berliner@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BERLINER MARTIN)
Subject: Road Cranks with a Granny Gear
Summary: What brands are available?
Keywords: Cranks, Granny
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:00:25 GMT

Posted for a friend --

 I am looking for a crankset that is drilled for road rings and will also
allow the addition of a granny gear (in a pinch a MTB crankset will do but
I am suspect of the strength of a 53 ring drilled for the smaller bolt
circles.)  What is available here?  And one other thing; the cranks have
to come in 165 mm lengths.

Thanks for the info.

Marty Berliner
Department of Chemistry
University of Colorado
From: mly@adoc.xerox.com (Richard Mlynarik)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Shimano taking over...:-(
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:10:34 GMT
	<43783@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>
Organization: ITS Preservation Society

In article <43783@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mtaffe@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Michael Taffe) writes:

   [...]

   I have to agree with Eric.  I started off as a big fan of Superbe
   Pro with the early eighties vintage gruppo because it provided the
   best shifting, very good bearing performance (remember the SP
   pedals, anyone?) and light weight all at a good price relative to
   Campy and Shimano offerings.  Although I was pretty disappointed to
   see them completely fail to keep up with the Joneses during the
   index wars, you can bet that I switched over to Shitmano in a big
   hurry since they were accomplishing the above goals relative to
   Suntour and Campy.   [...]

It seems that large numbers of cyclists (both on the net and on the
road) are constantly retiring or throwing away perfectly good
components.  I see lots of new bikes out there owned by people who
have obviously owned bikes before, but which contain no part more than
a year old.  It is clear that most such riders aren't sponsored, and
most don't even have the excuse of "needing" cutting-edge technology
to win Category 3 criterium races, so it seems that marketing-
induced fashion plays a very large role even with bicycle
non-neophytes.  (It seems amazing to me that anybody who has ridden a
bike for more than two years would even notice the advertising in any
of the bicycle magazines.)  I continue to find this a somewhat
depressing observation, given that a large part of the appeal of
bicycles for me lies in their elegance, simplicity and durability.

Personally, I'm afraid that even if Shimano completely revolutionised
the field of brake-cableset lubrication I wouldn't go out and buy a new
bicycle and throw away my old componentset and frameset.  If I had
early-eighties vintage Superbe Pro components, I imagine I'd be
largely completely happy with them still.

The only non-broken parts I've retired in recent years are clipless
pedals (pointless for the riding I do, though I might consider
something SPD-like eventually) and freewheels and non-freehub rear
hubs (I ride on already-obsolete 7-speed SIS non-hyperglide).

Now, just so this message isn't just a bunch of pointless
"retro-grouch" whining, I have a question to ask: where are all the
nice, unwanted Superbe and Dura Ace single-pivot brakes, the nice,
unwanted Campag quill pedals, the perfectly-running five-year-old
Campag hubs, the the DA non-shifting brake levers, etc, etc?  Are they
buried in municipal dumps, have they been given away to
underprivileged children's charities or Bikes not Bombs, or are they
just they just sitting in boxes or on unridden bicycles in suburban
garages?

PS Why isn't anybody giving them away to me?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: therrien@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.therrien)
Subject: Re: Yakima racks on a Sable wagon
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:32:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.130908.369@bmerh85.bnr.ca> paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter) writes:
>In article <casseres-260193113839@missmolly.apple.com>, casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes:
>|> I just *know* this has been covered thoroughly before, but it's not in the
>|> FAQ and I don't remember the answers, so here goes:
>|> 
>|> We just bought a Mercury Sable station wagon (same as Ford Taurus) and I
>|> have Yakima racks that fit on a Volvo.  I already had the "aero" towers,
>|> which are needed for the Sable, and I got the clips that Yakima recommends
>|> for the Sable.  I've tried mounting the racks on the Sable and they go just
>|> fine.
>|> 
>|> So what's my problem?  Well, the mounting clips smush the rubber rain
>|> gutters, and the instructions have a lot of worrisome stuff about "fine
>|> tuning the placement of the clips to prevent leaks."  Is this really a
>|> problem, or should I quit worrying?  If it really is a problem, what's the
>|> solution?
>
>The Thule racks on my Pathfinder do the same thing.  The only evidence of
>leakage is when I wash it using the high pressure spray wash.  Regular
>washing, rain, snow etc does not leak through.  Note though that the P-finder
>has a seal around the gutter and around the door.  I don't know if the Sable
>is the same.
>
>|> 
>|> Now, the wagon has integral roof racks.  It looks like it wouldn't be hard
>|> to design a clamp that would let me mount my bike carriers on the integral
>|> racks, and forget about the Yakima towers.  My wife thinks she's seen an ad
>|> for such a product in the back pages of Bicycling, but I can't find it in
>|> any of the issues I have lying around (no, I don't keep all my issues of
>|> Bicycling and put them in binders...).  Does anyone have any info on this
>|> side of the question?
>
>It is called the Raquadapter (or something similar).  It is a clamp that
>goes on some OEM racks and allows you to then use your Yakima/Thule
>crossbars and accesories.  I have only seen the ads in the magazines and
>have no other experience with them.  Try and find the ad.
>
>Cheers..Stuart
>
>
>|> 
>|> All answers most gratefully received, and I'll summarize.
>|> 
>|> --
>|> 
>|> David Casseres
>|> Exclaimer: Hey!


I've seen these adapators for sale in the Nashbar publication.

Good luck,
Dave
From: glp7584@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gordon Lee Powell Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: fork, seat pillar, crankset, headset for sale
Date: 25 Jan 1993 17:42:24 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu
Summary: parts for sale
Keywords: fork, seat post, crankset, for sale

I have a couple of things that I need to sell to get a little
cash.

Quality Bicycle Parts

1.  Tange racing fork -- sloping unicrown style, steerer tube
     is the standard diameter (1" I think), by 6".  Red.

2.  Cheaper quality headset, most parts steel, used less than
     100 miles.

3.  Mistral crankset by Ofmega (Italian) 53x42 teeth on aluminum
     alloy chainrings, 170mm length cranks, bottom bracket is
     included, English threads.  Beautiful condition, around
     1k miles.  Very light.

4.  Columbus SL seatpost, about 8 years old, but never used, or
     even inserted in a seat tube.  27mm diameter with 155mm
     length.  Beautiful to look at, but I never had a bike with
     27mm seat tube (probably Italian frames).

Need to sell, so make your offers.  We can talk about shipping
if necessary.  Help me pay my rent this month.

Gordon Powell                             office (409)845-0654
glp7584@zeus.tamu.edu                       home (409)693-8790
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Re: Shimano taking over...:-(
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 13:23:47 GMT

In article <2B5F643E.3276@news.service.uci.edu>, iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias) writes:
|> In article <C14zDw.69r@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> flip@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Phillip D. Russell) writes:
|> >Why is it so hard to find Shimano components for sale in catalogs?
|> >
|> >Nashbar and Performance only sell the high end (XT) ATB components.
|> >What happened to the Exage, Deore DX, etc?
|> 
|> In the after holidy sale catalogs that I have Performance has both the XT
|> and Deore DX,  Nashbar has XT only. 

Do you have these reversed?  I wanted a set of DX hubs and Performance said
that they didn't carry them.  Nashbar were "out of stock" (suprise, suprise),
but they do carry them.

-Stu
From: cs92mjd@cen.ex.ac.uk (M.J.Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Shimano taking over...:-(
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:42:57 GMT
	<C1GsDw.Lyx@cs.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK

In article <C1GsDw.Lyx@cs.uiuc.edu> tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:

   >DX has not been eliminated.  The old LX has.  There are plenty of 93 bikes
   >with DX components.  Bridgestone, GT, and some other companies are specing
   >DX and XT on some of their bikes.  Someone did say that DX will be eliminated
   >next year (1994) but I don't know about that for sure.
   >-Terry
   
I said this, but I was only speculating. So I don't know for sure either. 
Seems pretty likely though, don't you think? Of course, you may be thinking of
someone else who said this, in which case ignore me...

Mikey D
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: 105 crankarms
From: <H97SI@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 23 Jan 1993 23:01:34 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

hello out there in cycleland,
      i have a set of Shimano 105 crankarms in excellent condition.  it probabl
has less than 10 miles on it.  it is the 175cm and the rings are 53-42  if you
are interest   give me a buzz
                                      mike
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: josh@Happy-Man.com (Joshua_Putnam)
Subject: Re: Road Cranks with a Granny Gear
Keywords: Cranks, Granny
Reply-To: Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com
Organization: Happy Man Corp., Vashon Island, WA 98070-7399
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:38:57 GMT

In <1993Jan25.220025.3366@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> berliner@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (BERLINER MARTIN) writes:

> I am looking for a crankset that is drilled for road rings and will also
>allow the addition of a granny gear (in a pinch a MTB crankset will do but
>I am suspect of the strength of a 53 ring drilled for the smaller bolt
>circles.)  

I've been running a Sugino 54-tooth ring on a XC-Ltd crank on my
Navigator since last summer, and I have not had any problems with
its strength.  It may have a little more metal in it than a
similar ring for larger bolt circle cranks, but I haven't weighed
it to check.  It's still as true as when I bought it, and doesn't
flex noticeably more than a road ring when I stomp on the pedals.

Mountain/touring rings have an advantage over road rings in price
-- the same size and model of ring from the same manufacturer is
often less expensive in the mountain bolt pattern.

-- 
 Joshua_Putnam@happy-man.com    Happy Man Corp.  206/463-9399 x102
 4410 SW Pt. Robinson Rd., Vashon Island, WA  98070-7399  fax x108
 We publish SOLID VALUE for the intelligent investor.  NextMail OK
Info free; sample $20: Send POSTAL addr: Solid-Value@happy-man.com
From: unpalomb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Nicholas Palombo)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Specialized StumpJumper FutureShocks 20" and 18"
Date: 26 Jan 1993 10:09:31 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

I have one each of the following:

1993 Specialized StumpJumper FutureShock 20"

1993 Specialized StumpJumper FutureShock 18"

These are both BRAND NEW. Our club made a group purchase to get a good price
and we had to get two extra. 

Taking bids on them. Make any good offer.

Nick Palombo
unpalomb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Northeastern Illinois University, Chicago

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: ledzep@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (carl.w.muhlhausen)
Subject: Re: Night Sun Problems?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:32:11 GMT


To followup my own post, I called NightSun again yesterday and spoke
to a much more pleasant guy who told me they did have a problem with
a recent batch of low beam bulbs. He said I should send them
the old ones and if they had the defect they would replace them.
They apparently can tell by looking at the bulbs whether or
not they are defective.
He seemed pretty sure my bulbs would have belonged to this batch.
He also said that the expected lifetime should be around a hundred
hours. It remains to be seen whether they do replace them.

I'll post a followup to the net with the results. 
Thanks to all for relating their experiences with NightSun.




Yow!... Who turned out the lights?....
Carl

Carl Muhlhausen		"Kum wit me iff you vant to liff"
att!taz!ledzep		 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: dick@ncs.com (Dick Anderson)
Subject: Repost: Dia Compe BRS 400s brakes-$80
Organization: National Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:34:54 GMT

>I have the following for sale.

>Dia Compe BRS 400s brakesets.

I forgot to mention that these are Royal Gran Compe brakes.

>Brand new. Still in the box.

>They are silver.  Not the painted ones.

>I would like $80.  

-- 

Dick Anderson
Minneapolis

-- 

Dick Anderson
Minneapolis

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: pcbk1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (bryan.s.katz)
Subject: Re: Is there a list of '93 bikes?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 10:33:44 GMT
Summary: See most recent Bicycling magazine for complete list

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
From: mkary@math.bu.edu (Michael Kary)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Night Sun Problems?
Date: 22 Jan 93 07:04:31 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, Boston University, Boston



One thing that may or may not be relevant to the problems with short
bulb life (I don't use a Nightsun so I'm not sure): halogen bulbs have to 
be handled with great care. You aren't supposed to let your fingers touch
the glass; use a tissue or a clean cloth. I'm not completely sure why-
presumably something to do with skin acids making hot spots- but that is the
way you are supposed to handle them.

Michael Kary  mkary@math.bu.edu


Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: scheng@bcarh886.bnr.ca (Spencer Cheng)
Subject: Re: _Bicycling_ Issue Wanted
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:46:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.220342.4752@novell.com> chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler) writes:

   OK, no flames please...

   Does anyone have a copy of the latest issue of _Bicycling + Mt Bike_
   that they'd be willing to part with?  I'm looking for the recent
   issue that contains the Bruce Gordon Rock 'n Road review (the one
   w/all the wizz-bang, hi-end parts).  I ask because no-one around
   here sells the _+ Mt Bike_ edition.

No derisive remarks please...

I have a copy... No I don't subscribe...
--

Spencer Cheng     scheng@BNR.CA  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada  613-763-4046
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: Night Sun Problems?
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 09:32:18 EST

Thus spoke the keyboard of carl.w.muhlhausen:
>Has anyone experienced problems with the low wattage Night
>Sun bulbs? I bought my Night Sun in November, and while I'm
>pleased with the overall way it works, I've had very poor
>luck with the low wattage bulbs.
>
>The first one blew after about twenty hours after I went over
>a slight bump. The replacement blew after about a half hour.
>At $13 a pop this is getting expensive. I appreciate any advice
>or shared experiences people might have.

My problem with the NightSun Team Issue is that the first low wattage
bulb got very dark after about 20 hours. At that time I was very glad
that I bought 2 extra low wattage bulb and one high wattage bulb with
the light. I changed the 10W bulb with a new one, and it is still
working. But I'm about to replace it again, since I think it is too
dark (again).

My brother bought two 10Watt halogen bulbs for my NightSun on a store
in Houston (Lightbulb Unlimited on FM 1960 east for the Willowbrook
mall). I have not tried them yet, since there is a problem with
mounting them in the reflector (note that for the 10 watt krypton
bulb the bulb can be unmounted from the reflector). The problem is
that the original bulb is round (at the place where it is mounted to
the reflector) while the new bulb is rectangular (sp?).

I will during (someday) try to mount the new bulb in the old
reflector and try them. Since the new bulb is halogen and not
krypton, I expect that the new bulb will be brighter than the old
one.

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From: au109@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Craig Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Road Cranks with a Granny Gear
Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:45:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


New chainwheels for a TA crankset?  Try Cyclo-Pedia in Michigan
(800)678-1021

	=Craig=
From: sjm3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SALEM JON MAZZAWY)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: FOR SALE: ROCK SHOX MAG20 ($215)
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:59:56 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I have a pair of the Mag20 RS that I used for about 5 months.   I got a new
set for my new bike because the steerer was the wrong size.   These are 1 1/8"
with a lenght of 5 1/2".   They have been recently overhauled.
                                            Salem Mazzawy
From: Andrew_L_Chu@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: Re: Experiences w/ Ritchey road frames?
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 18:19:12 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

mpb@nomad.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Batchelder) writes:
>Anyone have experience with Ritchey's fillet-brazed road frames?
>I have the opportunity to pick one up cheaply, or at least cheaper
>than their usual ~$1200 retail pricetag.  Looks like a really nice
>frame, and the name is obviously a plus.  Tubing is Tange Prestige.

I don't know about the quality of the Ritchey, but I know you can get a 
Landshark with custom paint and getometry for a lot less. The fillet brazing
on my OS prestige is flawless, and the paint always draws stares. In the
latest Bicycle Guide, a great review was given. A prestige frame in a 56cm 
weighs a little under four pounds, and a Reynolds 531 frame weights about
3.5 lbs, both with fillet brazing. You can also get a painted kestrel ems
fork for a little extra money.

Andrew Chu
Andrew_L_Chu@cup.portal.com
From: eisele@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jon Eisele)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:43:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Night Sun Problems?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO