HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: The vertical 1/4 mile
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 22:19:03 GMT

In article <1h59orINNojo@transfer.stratus.com> cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com writes:
>In article <10584@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)  
>writes:
>> Matthew J. Harper (matth@progress.COM) wrote:
>> :   Interesting followup to this;   A Corvette ZR-1 has a shorter time from 
>> : 0-150 mph than an F-15 (that's the jet fighter, son.)  After that it`s  
>pretty
>> : much in favor of the jet. :-)
>
>Interesting . . .
>
>R&T raced (for fun) a P-51 Mustang against a ZR-1 a few years back.
>
>In their words :
>
>"We figured the smart money was on the Vette up until 100mph or so
>where the plane should take over. The smart money was wrong ...the Mustang
>passed the Vette before it was even out of first gear as if it was
>tied to a post."
>
>So you're saying an F15 is slower to 150 than a ZR-1, even though a 40 year
>old piston aircraft can make it look silly just doing 0-40 ? 

Sounds about right.  Jet engines don't produce lots of power at low speeds,
and the P-51 had the benefit of a huge engine and a variable-pitch propellor
to keep the prop operating in an efficient range.  The limiting factor
with the P-51 is that you _can't_ use full power on takeoff until
you've built up enough airspeed for the rudder to counteract the engine
torque.  If you firewall the throttle too early, the plane runs off the left
side of the runway.

I'm not a statistics freak, but I think WWII fighter engines produced somewhere
in the range of 1600 to 2400 horsepower.  What does the ZR-1 put out?
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
                Celebrate the winter holiday of your choice by
                  offering your hand to someone who needs it.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: lgt1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Larry G. Thorne)
Subject: brake relining reply
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 06:49:13 GMT

In answer to the question of copper rivets versis aluminum "pop" rivets,
I confess that I used this #232 materal purchased from Industrial Brake
and Supply and the Aluminum pop rivets to install it, over 8 years ago,
and 40,000+ miles on a 1951 BMW R51/3 pulling a Steib sidecar. I have 
experenced NO problems in all of that time, and only this winter have 
the liners gotten thin enough to replace them.  You must contersink the
hole in the new shoe materal, and a broken off 1/4 drill bit that you
grind off square (like and end mill) does a great job.  Do the counter-
sinking by hand. Chuch the modified drill in a "T" type tape handle, and
bore the contersunk hole slowly.. It's really quite simple and easy.
Believe me, after riding a 41 year old sidecar machine with the orginal
worthless brakes, you'll try anything to reduce the "pucker" that develops
on the solo seat when you attempt a panic stop!
Sincerely,
Craig Vechorik
BMW MOA Ambassador #9462
BMW Vintage Bulletin Tech Editor #1373
@ the "borrowed Email address of lgt1@ra.msstate.edu
Remember, Real BMW's have hand shifts and STAR FRAMES.
:wq

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: ramage@ece.scarolina.edu (Dan Ramage)
Subject: Re: Dear Abby sez "Don't let kids get on motorcycles"
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: 28 Dec 92 20:46:28 GMT


>Abby's reply:
>Dear Barbara,
>I presume you have insurance in the event that a child (or an adult) is
>injured on- or falling off- your vehicle. A motorcycle is legally termed
>"an attractive nuisance. Owning a motorcycles is an awesome responsibility."

I remember taking out the policy on my bike and saying "Oh please make
sure and include coverage which will insure me against someone sitting
on my bike and injuring themselves without my knowledge."  I think
NOT!  The attitude of Abby's response runs similar to that of the idea
of pool owners having to surround their pool with fences so children
or adults cannot TRESPASS onto the owners property and perhaps
drown or sustain some other injury in the pool.  It seems as if it
is always our responsibility for others stupidity. 
I have never even heard of any requirement for motorcycle owners
to carry such insurance as it probably does not exist.  

====================================
=Dan Ramage  Vulcan 750	  	   =
=ramage@charlie.ece.scarolina.edu  =
=				   =
="Today is yesterdays tommorow	   =
==================================== 

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,alt.autos.antique,ca.driving,rec.autos.driving
From: adh@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.d.hay)
Subject: Re: Daley expected to head DOT
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 12:36:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.153629.25237@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
"Last I heard, Bill Daley has no real experience to qualify him specifically
"for transportation, but does have a respectable business/financial
"background.  And most of us who've been out of school for more than a few
"years can probably agree that a good manager/executive doesn't necessarily
"have to know jack about what his people are doing, as long as he can verify
"that they are doing it well.  (Whether it's possible for the same person
"to be a _great_ manager is another question...)

so how can he verify that his minions are doing a good job, if he
doesn't understand what they are doing?

this is the Harvard MBA fallacy, which has produced such failures as
the penn central merger.  imho, there often are justifications [for
actions] of a technical nature which a 'pure' mba will be unable to
judge.  he will either have to be arbitrary, or let his staff make the
decisions, which assumes that they see the 'big picture' as well as he
does, and potentially makes his position void.

-- 
		+--------------------------------------------------------------+
Andrew Hay	|	one step beyond the outer limits of the twilight       |
a_d_hay@att.com	|	zone in the darkened room at the night gallery	       |
		+--------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Dear Abby sez "Don't let kids get on motorcycles"
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:08:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.190147.17320@spdc.ti.com> serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) writes:
>In article <1hiq0gINNdvh@agate.berkeley.edu> delorme@garnet.berkeley.edu (Lisa DeLorme) writes:
>>San Francisco Chroncile's Dear Abby Column on Sat. Dec 26, 1992:
>>Reproduced verbatim without permission
>>
>>Abby's reply:
>>Dear Barbara,
>>I presume you have insurance in the event that a child (or an adult) is
>>injured on- or falling off- your vehicle. A motorcycle is legally termed
>>"an attractive nuisance. Owning a motorcycles is an awesome responsibility."
>    
>Does this reponse burn anyone else as it does me?   Not only does she appear to 
>condone the actions of these mush-brained assholes and their brain dead
>offspring, she claims that we should be held responsible if one of these idiots
>happens to knock one of our bikes over on themselves.  It scares the hell out 
>of me that crap like this can be allowed to propagate.  If motorcycles truly
>are termed "attractive nuisances" in legal circles, in ain't gonna be much
>longer before some brain dead legislator will move to remove the nuisance. 
>
>Everyone reading this, who shares an interest in motorcycling needs to write to
>this stupid bitch and let her know our feelings.  Not to mention being involved
>in whatever politically active motorcycling organization happens to toot your
>flute.  If opinions such as these are the only ones being given to the spoon
>fed masses, our favorite pastime will be just that.  
>

Maybe you should read it again, Mike. She merely stated the fact that they
are legally an attractive nuisance (like a swimming pool), and suggests
protecting yourself from legal actions brought on by some asshole. I think
your anger could be more properly (and maybe usefully) directed toward the
judicial system, which fails to hold people responsible for their own
stupidity.
  I too am disgusted by this thinking, but Abby merely reported the facts,
she didn't invent the concept. That was done by lawyers, judges, and
legislators.

Jeff Achenbach

PS- Don't you have work to do instead of sitting around reading rec. moto?
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach)
Subject: Re: Senseless, Childish Brazier Auction
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:04:08 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.055504.4249@grebyn.com> rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence) writes:
>In article <carlp.725509903@frigg> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>>rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence) writes:
>>
>
>If the money is going to a good cause (AMA, fer instance) then the $50
>stands. Also, can somebody come up with a good explanation to my
>girlfriend as to why I bought a $50 bra?
>

You wanted to see a larger size? Which brings up the question. What size 
is it? Or did I miss that?

Jeff Achenbach
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Dear Abby sez "Don't let kids get on motorcycles"
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:52:58 GMT

In article <1669@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM> hruo@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Hiro Ruo) writes:
>the situation sure seems more like NEGLIGENCE OF PARENTS than it is the bike
>owner's responsibility.  if the bike owner gets sued or some other lame
>action, i wonder what the odds are for the bike owner if he/she countersues
>with negligence/libel/etc...?  there's GOT to be some legal loophole with such
>a a**backwards way bike owners are being jerked around!

Personally, I one of my kids were to knock over someone's bike (and it
would *not* be because I *allowed* her to sit on it!) then I would be
disinclined to sue the owner and skeptical of anyone who advised me to
(barring unusual circumstances, like the bike was parked atop a
thawing cow patty :-), moreover if there was damage to the bike I'd
*expect* the owner to come after me for damages.  And I'd expect to
pay them.  The incident *might* be covered by *my* personal liability
insurance, again depending on the circumstances.  (I hope I never find
out.)

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)


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From: kschlude@nyx.cs.du.edu (kris schludermann)
Subject: Forsale PMI Brake calipers
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 13:10:17 GMT


2 PMI Calipers with Yahmaha adaptor plates. Mint shape $200 for pair plus
shipping

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.harley
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Cobra Link Chains- Worthwhile?
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 16:31:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.013730.8385@twg.com> oldera@twg.com (Ed Alcoff -  Prod Mtg) writes:

>and unscrupulous, so is it secure?  How good are the
>Cobra links?
>
>BTW, a friend of mine has always secured his 900 Ninja
>with a Cobra and thieves have made at least 3 un-
>successful attempts (that I know of) over the last
>several years, so for him, it's worked out OK.

Looks like you have your answer.

>P.S. - my present ins. co. won't ensure my H-D for
>theft unless I have my own garage.  Change insurers
>and fork out the bucks?

Depends on what kind of deal you can get, and you should change insurers if
you can get a decent deal. Neither of our bikes is covered for collision/
comprehensive. The money we saved has paid for them by now, so we've won
the bet. If you have to pay a third of the cost of the bike in coverage 
every year, in three years you've saved the cost of the bike. Maybe 
it's worth the risk, as well as the effort of carrying around a heavy lock.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
From: djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David Maconochie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Dear Abby sez "Don't let kids get on motorcycles"
Date: 2 Jan 93 02:32:04 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: morpheus.wustl.edu

OK, here's my story: I went to a wedding between one of my girlfriend's many
sisters and some guy.  A sister-in-law was busy putting her nephews in turn
on MY MOTORCYLCE DAMMIT- it wasn't even as though they would have climbed up
themselves, but some stupid adult had to put them there.  I usually try to
avoid shouting at children, it makes them laugh, but this time I could not
restrain myself.

The more I thought about it, the less I understood why this should have
happened. Eventually I came to the reluctant conclusion that the incident
was a part of the 
  "I will do as I damn well please" mentality over here, coupled with the
perception of motorcycles as toys rather than as means of transportation
(which to me they are).

So what are we doing about it? Are we prepared to be "I will do it provided
it does not inconvenience anyone else"? Can we change the perception of
motorcycles as toys? Perhaps by always riding in appropriate gear, and being
punctiliously polite on the road.

-- 
--

David Maconochie
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Application for DoD Membership
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:59:27 GMT
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

In article <1759@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
}I was a Physics major but decided I hated lots of Math...                 

Well, that's one point in your favor.

Obmoto: I highly recommend that if you buy a brand new bike, you do so in the
dead of winter. It is much easier to make yourself stay under 4000 rpm for the
600-mile breakin period when it is RFC (Really Cold) outside. It may not be
truly RFC here except in northern CA terms, but it has reached the balance
point -- it's 11am and I still haven't decided whether to go for a ride on
the new bike or stay home and in the hot tub.

The DoD'er who was a physics major for all of 3 weeks,
-- 
Curtis Jackson			'91 Black Lab/Blue Heeler "Studley Doright"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'92 Collie/Golden "George"
DoD #721			'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." -- J. Buffett
From: wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Goldwings are darned interesting
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:41:16 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I never got to read the original post, but yeah, Wing's are interesting
machines. I bought mine (GL1100 Aspencade) new in 1982 and still ride her
somewhere every year. She has 68,500 miles on her and never, I repeat, never
has given me one bit of trouble (other than the usual maintence) This is my
second wing as my first one was a 1979 GL1000. Coming from a Harley background
(namely the chopper world of chopped Pans and Knuckles) I find the wing a
pleasent joy. I still like old Hog's though, but the wife says only one bike at
a time and I sure don't want to sell my wing (she's bigger than me, the wife
that is ;-) However, I wouldn't mind being the guy in an earlier post who is
getting a Harley for Christmas (what I would give for a woman like that, MERCY
! ! ;-)

-=-= Wes =-=-
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens)
Subject: Re: CA bike inspection
Summary: VIN, mileage, etc
Keywords: Look-See
Organization: Pacific*Bell ESAC, Oakland, CA.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:52:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.150932.9896@rchland.ibm.com> essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) writes:
>
>can someone clue me in as to what bike inspection in CA involves?  i'm
>wondering whether my bike (very non-stock FZR with louder-than-stock
>pipe) would be ok if i moved to CA.  
>...pretty much nobody cares.
>
>are there emissions tests for bikes?

There is an emissions standard for bikes.  My last out of stater was not
emissions tested.  An obvious violator will probably not get through
inspection.  I doubt if really loud pipes will make it, either.

The Dept of Motor Vehicles will examine VIN and engine numbers, which
are given on the registration.  A used 49-State motorcycle must have, I
believe, 7500 miles on it to be registered in California.  (This is
why you've got to build your own Buell in Ca.)  Headlight always on,
brake light and rear light, and turn lights back and front must be
demonstrated.

-Pete Ahrens

P.S.
Now someone will describe how it is possible to bypass all this oppressive
red tape, etc.  I personally do not welcome any further motorcycle
related abuses to California, most especially loud pipes on a
boy racer which will convince every spud who hears and sees it
that I, when on my motorcycle, am an identical fool who does not
deserve the little road I occupy.  These spuds will thus be predisposed
to believe IIHS propaganda and go along with further idiotic legislation
written by other spuds who are equally unaware and uncaring of the 
vicissitudes of motorcycling.
From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: I hate snow.
Date: 31 Dec 92 05:08:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: drycas.1992Dec31.100803.2817
Reply-To: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Organization: CMU Alumni External Account

In article <1992Dec29.145321.1427@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>, bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
> I hate snow. It's been 5 whole days since I've been able to ride.
> 
> I REALLY, really, hate snow...
> 8(

	All you really need are knobbies and ice screws.

Rob
--
   Rob Yang (Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A) RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU
                          Systems Engineer
                 AMA 642916   DoD 0593   FSSNOC 1721
'92 CBR600F2 (Hon)   '79 XT500 (The Bitch)   '87 KDX200 (Moose)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bigdog!jon (Jon Wright)
Subject: Re: gif problem (was Re: "Official" Squid bike?)
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 21:30:57 GMT

Charlie Smith writes
> 
> Oh, yea - considering the time of year I'm attaching the following item.
> 
> Charlie Smith,   DoD  #0709
> 
> begin 644 xmas.gif
  gif mumbo jumbo identified by my NeXT as a legit filetype   
> end


Why is it I can never read these things?  I always get a "wrong magic number"  
error with every graphics program that reads gif.  Other gifs work fine, just  
not the ones off the net.  Am I missing something (besides brain cells, which  
aren't getting better with beer consumption the way it is).
Xref: sparky rec.motorcycles:42570 rec.autos:30475
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.autos
Subject: Re: Durability
Date: 24 Dec 92 10:15:42 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

>Even material cost is more than the car is worth. If I considered shop
>charges it is probably several times what the car is worth.  
>


Everyone makes this mistake! A car/bike is NOT worth what a dealer will 
offer you for it. It is worth what it will ccost you to REPLACE it. This
can be a bit different!

Merry Xmas all
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: Cobra Link Chains- Worthwhile?
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:41:56 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1hq5d9INNl7h@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
|> In article 15303@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
|> >
|> >>P.S. - my present ins. co. won't ensure my H-D for
|> >>theft unless I have my own garage.  Change insurers
|> >>and fork out the bucks?
|> >
|> >Depends on what kind of deal you can get, and you should change insurers if
|> >you can get a decent deal. Neither of our bikes is covered for collision/
|> >comprehensive. The money we saved has paid for them by now, so we've won
|> >the bet. If you have to pay a third of the cost of the bike in coverage 
|> >every year, in three years you've saved the cost of the bike. Maybe 
|> >it's worth the risk, as well as the effort of carrying around a heavy lock.
|> 
|> Maybe not.  Something else to consider when placing this wager is the
|> downside, and remember that (1) you cannot count on your future
|> financial situation being the same as it is now, (2) the bike will be
|> crashed/stolen at the worst possible time, and (3) the DoD is
|> absolutely merciless on bikeless Denizens.

another point is: how much will a claim raise your premium?  if you make a
claim for the full price of the bike because you drove it into a tree, the
insurance company may move you into a higher risk group and raise the
premiums for all your bike insurance.

|> 
|> ---
|> Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
|>   Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
|> DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
|>  (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
|> 

axel
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ZX-11, transmission
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:10:02 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Communications Inc. Montreal, Canada
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article <1992Dec22.130756.1@sc9.intel.com> rcrandall@sc9.intel.com writes:
>Has anyone out there had problems with their ZX-11 transmission as I have.
>I'm interested in settlements with dealers, rectification, etc...
>
>Thanks in advance
>Rob



What year is it?

The early ones had a faulty 2nd gear(I think) that would fail.
I believe these were replaced by Kaw for free.





Mine on the other hand gets a few false neutrals once in a while on
lame shifts.






--
Stamos <lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se>            ZZR11            Ellas
Ericsson, Cellular Design
Montreal, Canada.
From: pberck@kub.nl (Peter Berck)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Locking the rear wheel. (oh no!)
Keywords: pain, confusion, dismay, koala, dung.
Date: 24 Dec 92 12:31:12 GMT
Reply-To: pberck@kub.nl
Organization: KUB, The Netherlands

|> >but less deaths. Comments?
|> 
|> Well, I'm  not a DoD, so I guess I fall under "rest of the world".
|> For what it's worth, i've suffered many more "injuries" than I have
|> "deaths".
|> 
|> Anyone else?

Well, I've been dead twice, and it is better than suffering injuries.
I got to meet all these interesting characters in Hell(tm), but, alas,
contrary to popular believe, Lucifer does not ride. He is a poser
though.

-Peter (Keeper of the Divina Commedia)

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.harley
From: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford)
Subject: Re: Santa's bringing me an XLH!!
Keywords: Harley, XLH, yippee
Reply-To: jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford)
Organization: Nimbus Technology, Santa Clara, CA USA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:25:14 GMT

>In article <viking.724922994@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>>
>>5) April, my girlfriend, deserves a wonderful, thoughtful, touching,
>>warm, and above all inexpensive gift.  Any ideas?  She's already getting
>>the first ride of spring.  Somehow what she's given me just makes anything
>>I've thought of pale in comparison.
>>
 I hear that bras are the hot item this year!


-- 
Faster Horses
Younger Women
Older Whiskey
More Money!
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