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From: aberigan@nde.unl.edu (A. Berigan)
Subject: Re: MIDI Songs.....
Organization: Ord High School, Ord, NE
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:03:41 GMT

be726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph A. Ellis Jr.) writes:
>In a previous article, david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) says:
>>davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles) writes:
>>>be726@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph A. Ellis Jr.) writes:

>>>OK, how about this.  How can anyone tell if a composition is yours, or
>>>if it has been copied off someone else ? 
>>>
>>>If we think about it for a moment, there are very few notes in a musical
>>>scale.  Also, anybody who has studied music, will probably notice that

>WHOOPS! There's a bit of messed-up attributation here! The above quoted
>statements are NOT mine, they belong to Mr. Ingles!

The problem is some people don't understand that the n> level
attribution line attributes n+1> level text, and so then fail to delete
the n> level attribution for which there is no n+1> text, only n> text.

Someone who knows what they mean can read correctly that Mr D Ingles
replied to a (non-quoted) article from Joseph A. Ellis Jr.  But it is
still a breach of net-ettiquette, unless an "In reply to " or something
similar is prefixed.

(Myself, I would have deleted the >>> line, and the > line in this
 marking them with just the depth indicator, no text, or a depth
 indicator of :, indicating deletions (think vertical ellipsis).)

>_I_ know better!

Of course, my diatribe has very little to do with the topic at hand, but
I thought I could clarify, so I did.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: ooptk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Subject: any juno-106 folks out there?
Reply-To: ooptk@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 00:24:06 GMT

howdy!

a friend of mine just bought a juno 106, without the manual, of course.

questions:
1. where/how to get a manual?
2. any ftp sites with patches?
3. any ibm sequencer/ed/librarian software still available?
4. when were these made?
5. where in the Roland analog synth line does the 106 appear?
6. how good is the sound quality compared to the other Roland analogs?
7. he's looking for a good piano patch for piano lessons

p.s. after hearing this thing, I'd like to get an analog synth myself!

thanks

Terry
From: davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Re: Midi song - "Borderline - Madonna"
Date: 1 Oct 92 08:17:13 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <1992Sep30.222312.16009@cmcl2.nyu.edu> galanter@nyu.edu (Philip Galanter) writes:
>
>Just because midi SMFs have been around for years doesn't mean they are  
>immune to copyright law.  It may mean that those holding the copyrights  
>didn't consider the violation worth punishing.  Or it may mean they simply  
>didn't know about it taking place.

Can anyone give me some input on the way copyright works with music
stored as MIDI data ? Are there papers publically available stating
exactly what is and what is not copyrighted ? Someone told me that
copyright on a piece of music covers any 2 notes in a sequence of that
piece of music.  If this is the case, I would say that the majority of
music is breaking copyright. 

Davei (davei@lancaster.ac.uk)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jay@cmn19.Stanford.EDU (Jay Kadis)
Subject: Re: Low cost A/D w/ AES/EBU output?? (was Re: Comments/Experiences/Recommendations on Emu EIIIxp)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:36:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.170657.1497@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>  
bgood@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov () writes:
> In article <MAYER.92Sep25182924@hplnpm1.hpl.hp.com>  
mayer@hplnpm1.hpl.hp.com (Niels P. Mayer) writes:
> [...stuff deleted]
> >
 
> I've been told by two independent sources (one of whom I respect) that  
the 
> SV-3700 sounds better ("warmer" was what one source said).  

The SV-3700 has a limiter on the analog inputs that kicks in at -6 dB.   
This probably accounts for the "warmer" sound.

Jay
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.marketplace
From: tmm@world.std.com (Tom M Moravansky)
Subject: For Sale:  Roland TR-808 Drum Machine
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 23:01:17 GMT

Due to the underwhelming lack of response, I am reposting this
with a slight price modification....

Roland TR-808 ----------  $425


e-mail if interested.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: pearson@rtsg.mot.com (Paul A Pearson)
Subject: Re: EM Objectivity (was Re: EM reviews the Alesis ADAT... and loves it)
Summary: Nov '92 Keyboard also reviews it (and loves it as well)
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:24:03 GMT

I just got my Nov '92 issue of Keyboard last Friday in which they review the
ADAT.  It sounds great.  They love it.  Of course, Alesis is an advertiser, but
they acknowledge that their review is extremely favorable in their "Summary" 
paragraph.  Their excuse:  The ADAT is that good.

For the original poster, I believe that the review answers many of those
questions that he had about the machines.  Keyboard did get two of the units
to try the master-slave relation, however Alesis did not provide them with
a BRC (Big Remote Control -- great name, eh?) which apparently provides
enhanced features for recording/editing with multiple decks.

I've always found Keyboard's reviews to be fairly honest.  They say what's
good as well as what is bad.  Of course, they couldn't put the units through
a "lifetime" of use for the review, but it sounds as though they give a
comprehensive overview of the machines.

For those interested in getting into digital multi-track recording, pick up
a copy and check it out.

-Allen


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Allen Pearson		email: pearson@rtsg.mot.com
Software Engineer	Motorola Cellular Infrastructure Group
From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: K2000R should be ready shortly.
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:28:26 GMT
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <0B5B29FBA060073A@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU>, WSCOTT@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU writes:
|> A couple of posts have mentioned how the K2000R will have the feature
|> of an "extra" SCSI port. Because it is a rack unit and cannot act as
|> a master controller, it's place is in a SCSI chain and therefore
|> NEEDS to have two SCSI ports(like most external SCSI drives). If
|> it only had one, the designers would be objects of derision and ridicule
|> shortly after its release. Because it has two they will not be, but
|> I wouldn't see it as an "extra".
|> 
|> Bill Scott

I (and I think others who mentioned it) meant that there is an 'extra'
SCSI port as compared to
From: metlay@netcom.com (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: PB100/MIDI works? SOS!!!!
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:41:04 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

Charles, I use Galaxy and Vision running under OMS and MIDI Manager.
I have never tested Finale on a PB100, but I would imagine that if
ANY music program were to trouble the 100 from the sheer fact that
it is only a 68000 machine running at 16MHz, it would be Finale.
I would refer you to Nick for queries on Performer-- I like its UI
but its performance, even on bigger Macs, has always been too flaky 
for me. I just followed the instructions on installing Galaxy and 
Vision under OMS in my machine, and was up and running in no time.


-- 
metlay            | "It's the probability of some Perf/X box being dead or
                  |  wedged that I have to worry about. This week, it's the
                  |  Systemizer that's pining for the fjords."
metlay@netcom.com |                                       (e. hallgrimsson)
From: felske@erich.triumf.ca (FELSKE, WAYNE W.)
Subject: Re: fixing my roland U20 myself.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:21:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.004344.8088@news.acns.nwu.edu>, phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes...
> 
>A velocity sensor in my roland u20 went bad.  Is it hard to order a part
>and replace?  How much does it cost to replace one sensor at a repair
>center?  What does it look like inside?
 James 
	The velocity "sensor" is actually 2 pc board bounted switches. I only 
one or two keys are having problems then this is the problem. 1st try contact
cleaner on them. Unfortunatly they are under the keys and full access is only
possible after some disassembly. The U-20 bottom panel comes off (after
removing numerous screws) then you have to remove a nuber of screws holding the
pc boardsdown so you can get better access to the keyboard. You can then either
remove the keyboard or try to work on it attached. To remove a key to get
access to the switches isn't bad if you've dealt with small mech. things
before. 
	Note; It is a good idea to get a service manual. These can be had from
Roland in any decent sized city. It has keyboard assembly instructions,part
numbers as well as all the test modes to check all the elx. At $20 it's a good
idea if you plan on going inside it at all.

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dpelton@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dennis Pelton)
Subject: Re: What about "classical" sounds?
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:42:32 GMT

In article JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL writes:
>
>I suggest that you consider a synthesizer instead of a sample player.  It is
>likely that yoy really don't know what the instruments you describe really
>sound like out of context.  

Well, I don't mean to disagree with John3 (anybody who has a
verse of the bible named after him should not be disagreed 
with), but I suspect that there is not a sample player that
will "really" sound like real instruments.  The problem is
not the samples (some of which are quite good), but the 
limited number of them.

A while back, in keyboard, there was an article about a
guy who sampled the "ultimate" string sample set.  He spent
months and gigabytes of memory and will sell you the set 
for something like $100,000.  Clearly you cannot buy a
Proteus 2 and get *excellent* samples of all sorts of 
strings as well as wind and percussion instruments for a
mere $700 (or whatever the P2 goes for).  

I suspect the problem here is not hearing the sounds "out 
of context" but that each instrument in an orchestra is 
played by a person who has spent years learning to get 
wide varieties of subtle sounds out of the instrument and 
is capable of blending the instrument with the others that 
are being played at the time.

The original poster (whose name I have lost) may be 
expecting (or hoping for) more than the current 
state-of-the-art is capable of delivering at a reasonable 
price.

Dennis Pelton
dpelton@nyx.cs.du.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: henryf@imagine.com (Henry Flurry)
Subject: Emu Proteus/2 likes/dislikes
Organization: Imagine Multimedia, Inc., Ann Arbor, MI, USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:47:21 GMT


I'm thinking of purchasing a Proteus/2 for my Dad.  He's retired, and  
I'm setting up a synth setup for him to transcribe some never-performed  
and some yet-to-be composed compositions.

His compositions are for traditional instruments, so he doesn't need the  
electric-ice synth patches.

From what reviews I've read, the Proteus/2 seems to fit the bill for his  
needs:
   - Has the patches he's most likely to use (except, does it have  
voice?)
   - Apparently, it's fairly simple to use (important!)
   - Sounds are decent/nice

What are y'all's reactions to this or the others in the Proteus series?

Thanks in advance -

Henry Flurry
From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Roland D-50 w/mem exp $800obo
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:43:18 GMT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Got a friend selling a D-50 w/memory expansion for $800obo
Drop me a line if interested or if you have any questions.
<X>orcist

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From: elf@oldearth.Corp.Sun.COM (Ed Fleschute)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.audio.pro
Subject: Audio Technica 4033 ?
Keywords: Audio Technica 4033
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:32:03 GMT
Reply-To: elf@oldearth.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: oldearth.corp.sun.com


glatz@emily.uvm.edu gave a super positive review of the Audio Technica 4033 on
the net.  I will be getting the H&SR issue where they reviewed this Mic later this
week.


Before I spend a bunch of money I have a few questions:


    How would the 4033 be as the main microphone in a home studio?  The acoustics
    are good in the room considering it used to be a bedroom.  (Markertek had Sonex
    for a great price).

    How would the AT 4033 compare to others (in it's price range) for a rich, alto-
    tenor female voice?

    Would it be better to get two other Mics, or a stereo Mic, to provide better
    imaging?


Ed Fleschute (w/ 415-336-3753)
From: skahn@farallon.com (Scott Kahn)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Korg DSS1 keyboard/sampler/synthesizer
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:42:52 GMT
Reply-To: ()

First, about the memory expansion:

Originally, the DSS-1 had a memory and SCSI controller upgrade available, but 
the upgrade was very complex and toasted too many DSS-1s. It was removed from 
production and is not available anywhere....

The DSM-1 is a much better choice to pick up used than a DSS-1. It has twice 
the memory(1mb vs 512kb), is multi-timbral, has eight individual outputs, and 
loads disks (high density) twice as fast. What it lacks is the programable 
digital delays, so synthesizer-type sounds aren't as rich sounding (unless you 
use outboard processors), but it's a more powerful sampler. Additionally, it 
can read DSS-1 sample disks, while the DSS-1 can't read DSM disks.

Hope this helps.

Scott Kahn
Editor, Korg Connection
The Official User's Group of Korg USA, Inc.


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X-VMS-To: IN%"SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU"
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 11:39:00 EDT
From:         WSCOTT@ACS.WOOSTER.EDU
Subject:      Re: Hope for the Future (was Re: Vintage Synth Re-Issues)
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU

Andrea Toni writes:
> new, extra-useless, and complicated.

That is exactly what RCM is all about it !!
But you are welcome to prove the opposite !!
It will probably take a couple of years (like the first FM) before
somebody can come up with some humanly-usable decent effort,  if any !
.. Just a guess ...
""""""""""""""""""""""""""

endquote

Well, I guess it is a matter of opinion (with at least 2 people here thinking
it's a useless feature). Here's mine:  it's a "distancing tool" quite different
from any other out there. It allows controllability and that special
personality that comes from *uncontrollability*. The sound is not the same
with each equivalent press of a key (even with the same MIDI event from
a sequencer). Makes those patches more like the kind that you can listen
to for hours and hours without a program change. There are a few patches
floating around the BBSs that are truly remarkable. Try RCM Horn. Beautiful.

Bill Scott
From: johnf@scd.hp.com (John Flowers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Piano/keyboard teaching software
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:33:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: scd.Bvo3w4.u1
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

I am seeking PC based piano teaching software. I now own the necessary
components, PAS 16/MIDI MATE and a yamaha YPR-9. 

I have seen the "MIRACLE" software and would love to get something like
that free or for a shareware price.  I have also heard about piano works
being very good, but it is in the $80-$90(US) range.

Any suggestions would be taken, I do have ftp access, so a site
address and filename would be Great!

Thanks, this is my first r.m.s. post.

P.S. I checked the FAQ first.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Subject: Re: MIDI Songs.....
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 00:06:53 GMT


In article <1992Oct4.135833.29844@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>, davet@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Dave Tutelman) writes:
|> No harm, no foul!  In this case,
|>  - You did it first, so they can't sue you.

Sure they can.  You can be sued for just about anything.

If he has no proof that he "did it first", the court doesn't have much
recourse but to find for the plaintiff.

Of course, it's very unlikely that the company would sue in this case
since they have nothing to gain, and may even lose.

|>  - You never "published" it (in even the most liberal sense of the term),
|>    so you're not a copyright holder, so you can't sue them.  And even if
|>    your never-published work could be considered "copyrighted", they'd
|>    have the safe defense that they never heard it, so they couldn't have
|>    copied it.

I think you are wrong here.  As I understand it, the US copyright laws
say that anything you produce that is copyrightable is automatically
copyrighted by you.  Just because you haven't registered the copyright
with the government doesn't mean you don't hold the copyright.

Publishing is different.  Publishing actually means making a written
work available for consumption.  I don't know to what extent it goes,
but it is different from copyrighting.

D Ingles could sue the company for copyright infringement, but he's
going to have a hard time proving he holds the copyright if he didn't
register the copyright and leave it where someone else could find it
to copy it.

Someone (Jim Muller or Jack Zucker or someone like that) pointed out in
a similar discussion earlier this year that even registering a
copyright doesn't prove you are the copyright holder, but it's very
likely that the court will go with that.  Documentation is the best
thing to have when you go to court.

--
...David Elliott
...dce@smsc.sony.com | ...!{uunet,mips}!sonyusa!dce
...(408)944-4073
..."I take my arms and I wrap them around my art." - F
From: murat@farallon.com (Murat N. Konar)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Question:  Powerbooks and MIDI
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:22:08 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.synth
Organization: Farallon Computing

Geez.

In article <9209292240.AA19696@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>,
JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL wrote:

[stuff deleted]

> Where, except in the Mac world, would you find somebody so
> willing to defend the honor of 'their computer company' in the light of
> unequivocal evidencepresented by two well respected r.m.s. contributors that
> 'their computer company' deceived them?  

Sorry if I appear to be an apologist for Apple.  I certainle am not.  I
just wanted to point out that the folks in Apple's Developer Technical
Support did not lie to me.  The response I got from them was a very candid
discussion of the Mac's (not just PowerBooks) probelms with high speed data
transfers through serial ports. 

In light of Apple's candidness with me, it seemed unfair that the local
deities have been bashing them relentlessly.  So I spoke up in Apple's
defense.

I might even defend MOTU if I felt they were being bashed unfairly. 

Maybe.  :-)

______________________________________________________________________________
Murat N. Konar
Sound Software Engineer (NOT!)
Farallon Computing, Inc.
From: helin@vehka.uta.fi (Mikko Helin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: 8bit vs 16bit?
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:53:36 GMT
Reply-To: helin@vehka.uta.fi (Mikko Helin)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland


In article <718220794.880000.D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU> D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Dana   Nibby) writes:
>
> Can anyone tell me what the difference is in sound quality between 8bit
>and 16bit? I understand about sampling rate, and that if the rate is too low,
>aliasing/clipping occurs. I've asked this question before and gotten no respon.
I think that the number of bits per sample by itself tells nothing. 
There are many one bit A/D and D/A converters used with CD players, 
DAT -recorders and samplers (eq. Ensoniq ASR-10). What really means is the 
multiplication of sample rate and bit number of sample and used conversion
method. So 8 bit 88 kHz with delta-sigma (or inc/dec ) conversion is as good 
as 16 bit 44 kHz with linear conversion (or actually, better). 
One bit A/D converters use oversampling to get better linear response 
and less distortion and, for an example, ASR-10 uses 64X oversampling.



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Mikko Helin
helin@vehka.cs.uta.fi
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: mic@ausom.oz.au (Michael Costa)
Subject: PB170 + MIDI = Happy!
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:15:11 GMT
Organization: AUSOM - The Apple Users Society of Melbourne

For those who still aren't convinced, I can tell you that I've been the Mac Dude ona huge Australian national tour and we've been using the PB170 with an alpha (!)
version of OMS for the last two and a bit months.  We've hooked it up to an
Opcode Studio 5 and have given the thing absolute hell.  We're talkikng about
continuous data like you've never seen before.
Once we got a line conditioner onto the PB there has hardly been a hitch, night
after night.  Before that there was the odd unexplained stuck note or pitch
bend neglecting to reset.
Throughout the whole thing the 170 drives the show fabulously and I must agree
with metlay - thank you Opcode because without you guys the whole thing just
wouldn't happen.  Christ knows Apple wouldn't fix it....
Thought what is that PowerBook Tuner item I've spied in the archives....??
-- 
Michael Costa
mic%ausom.oz@sol.cc.deakin.oz.au

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