From: garrett@Ingres.COM (WHAT'S A MATTER YOU?)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: democratic platform
Keywords: Deja-vu
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:39:05 GMT
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In article <1992Jul29.220230.1941@PacBell.COM>, rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)  writes...
>> "dal" <p00056@mail.psi.net> writes:
>>> kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki) writes:
> 
>>>Poppycock.  The 2nd amendment was never intended to allow private citizens
>>>to "keep and bear arms".  If it had, there would have been wording such as
>>>"the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
>>
>>Excuse me .... Why dont you get stuffed? Why is it that most of the 
>>signers of the Bill of Rights have written about the right to bear arms
>>as a personal right? In what flim flam reality do you exist? The domain of
>>our Bill of Rights is entirely and utterly the province of the individual.
>>Because of sickening rationalizations like yours, our lives are slowly being
>>dictated, decided and determined by the few and not the will of the individual. 
>>The hell with the courts, the law, idiot politicians and especially you...
>>Ill will defend my right to exist as a free man, and not a slave to ignorance.
>>
>>We are men, not chattel for you amusement.
> 
>Oh give me a fucking break.  As if the Founding Fathers knew
>anything about *six-guns*, much less Uzis and rocket-launchers
>and personal nuclear devices.  To claim that their 1789 view of
>"arms" and "people" have any conceivable relevance to the social
>conditions we live in, and the weapons of mass destruction that
>are tearing our society apart today is truly to live in a "flim
>flam reality".  The tragedy is that your obsessive ranting is
>actually taken seriously by our idiot lawmakers.
>-- 
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>rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
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Ever hear the term "History repeats itself"? Do you think that mankind
has changed significantly in 300 years, or 3,000 years, or 3 million
years? NOT!
The same reasons to have an armed society in 1789 still apply today if
you're looking at defending yourself from a repressive government.
As for your argument about our founding fathers having no idea about
six-shooters and such, perhaps you should spend some time in a library
and look up how many people were killed in battles with just swords.
	If you disregard the leasons from history you are setting
yourself up to repeat those mistakes. History says that the first thing
a dictator does is disarm the public and divide possible opposition.
	By the way, reread the 2nd Amendment if you think it doesn't 
say anything about "the right of people to bear arms". Also remember
that the word militia in the 18th century meant a community group,
seperate from the government.(remember the minutemen at Concord Bridge?)
	One last thing before I get flamed here, I'm not an NRA
member, I don't own a gun, I'm not even a Republican. I do read 
about history though. And unlike many people who want to outlaw guns,
I don't subscribe to a convienent dogma out of fear. I'm a registered
socialist and I live in S.F.


Garrett@Ingres.com
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns