HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Big Brother BBS policies
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:53:06 GMT

From article <1992Sep14.150829.1886@panix.com>, by fnord@panix.com (Cliff Heller):
> I don't know the law, but I doubt that you could be held legally
> responsible, whether or not you know the identity of your users.  You are
> also making it out to be a much larger problem than it actually is.  You
> are just using an extreme case to justify your nosy policies.

	The law is still basicly unclear about who is responsible.  I
personally would not like to take the chance and therefore, on the systems
I SysOp, we don't allow for "true" email.  Basicly we tell the users
that e-mail can and will be read by the Sysops, etc., etc., but make
it clear that we don't normally read email along with our combined
reads.

	There are few times me or my fellow SysOps had ever had to
read E-mail.  The one time that stands out in my mind was when an
8th grader went on a "Gimmie free computer!" rage and randomly
left messages to other users.  Many didn't mind the first message
from him, but got rather annoyed at the second, third, and fourth
attempts.  We basicly retreived his messages before they reached people
(and bitched him out along the way).  I don't think in the least  that
it was a gross violation of this "email rights" thing that you
push and as a SysOp, I try to allow as much as possible.

> 
> If all you require are a name and phone number, then you are NOT one of the
> people I take issue with.  I consider this a reasonable requirement for
> access to YOUR equipment.  The original poster was complaining about sysops
> who require such information as social security numbers.  I don't even
> object if you voice validate.

	Well good.  Knowing that you approve of such a thing will
allow me to rest easier tonight *grin*

 TTYL
 Chris 
 "Talking those monkeys to fly out of my butt"
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:54:51 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

bheess@mcws.fidonet.org (Brian L. Heess) writes:

>davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>>[* old stuff omitted * ]
>> Do you have any information on the volume in k-bytes for Fido? 

>I, as a HUB for about 35 systems, USUALLY handle more on the
>Fido side than on my Usenet side, and I have a FULL feed for
>Usenet.  My inbound Echo Traffic looks something like this on
>the average:

[* details omitted *]

>My inbound Usenet is usually around 15-30MB perday..  I only give out
>one almost full feed, and feed 4 others much less.

Hmmm, so as I suspected there is Fidonet traffic and there is Fidonet
traffic (another poster said they got a lot less).

>So, Fido is pretty busy!  I only get about 1/2 of the available
>Echoes coming in here and going back out.
>
>Hope this helps!

That sure sounds like a lot. All of USENET coming into my feedsite
isn't that much, maybe only 10MB/day (we are talking about
compressed stuff here, aren't we? I mean that's what you have to pay
the telco for). 

I'm pretty sure the Fido nodes in Tokyo don't get anywhere near that
much but I'll check it out and get back to you.

Thanks for the information,

Dave

--
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JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: 00cchall@bsu-ucs.uucp (Chael Hall)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Annoying Users...
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:05:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.121009.1@acad.drake.edu>, agb001@acad.drake.edu writes:
> I have to ask the question, but does any other people find that there are
> certain people who keep getting deleted, then get on a BBS under a fake acco
> and then seem to endlessly try to make a mockery of the intentions of the BBS
> 
> Are there any precautions that I could be advised to and also is there any
> legal approach to this? (This has been going on for almost a year and a half.)
> 
> Thanks everyone...

     Well, I've had these people too, and the best thing I did was to start
using a call-back verifier that only allows a number to be used once.  IN
addition, make the registration procedure take quite a while to fill out.
Every 10 questions or so remind them that they only need to do this once so
they won't be put out with you before they even see the whole BBS.  Another
way is to require manual upgrades for all users, but that's pain in the butt.
You could write a program that upgrades users after a certain "waiting period"
of 24 or 48 hours.  Make them sit before they can use your system to its
fullest.  That should get rid of a bunch.

     These, however, are only suggestions...  They aren't necessarily the
right or most ethical thing to do.

Chael Hall
00CCHALL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu
(317)285-3648
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: *** ChaelBoard 2.18 BBS Package ***
From: mgjones@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Mike 'Felix' Jones)
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:31:21 -0500
Organization: Miami Computer Users Group

In article <Steven_P._Oliver.0376@bearsden.UUCP>, Steven_P._Oliver@bearsden.UUCP (Steven P. Oliver) writes:
> can you give a # where this can be DLed from?
> 
> -- Via DLG Pro v0.992

He did (It was in the header):

NoWhere BBS (317)285-7441 (that's in Indiana).

But I also know for a fact that you can download it from there.  It's
the author's BBS.  I believe he is still running a 2400 baud modem,
but I haven't called in at least 8 months (I ran ChaelBoard as a beta
tester for almost a year, up through version 2.14).

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Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: TBBS/TDBS/UNIX - Price of a BBS
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:32:59 GMT

kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:

>PS: I'll ask again, because you didn't reply last time - why are you so
>insecure about which OS you use?

heehee!  It must be because a few months has passed since DELL arrived,
and he hasn't decided which one to jump to next!
:-)

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From: bheess@mcws.fidonet.org (Brian L. Heess)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 22:58:12 PDT
Reply-To: bheess@mcws.fidonet.org
Distribution: world
Organization: midnight computer wiring society - Tujunga, CA, USA

davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:

> elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:
[...]
> In light of sysops paying for ld carriers, another question I have
> about Fido is how much traffic in terms of *volume* there is. Not
> just in terms of number of echos (which I think is the more or less
> the equivalent of a USENET newgroup) and not just in terms of number
> of messages, but total k-bytes/day.
> 
> The sysops in Tokyo claim "it's not so expensive" but I it costs me
> about 15,000 yen ($120) per month (at 3.3 yen/minute) in local telco
> charges to get my feed. At low night rates (110 yen/minute to the
> U.S.; cheapest place to call from Japan) that would cost about 33.3
> times as much or $4,000/month. Conclusion: either they are a lot
> richer than I can imagine or they don't get a lot of volume.... 

YIKES!  Lots of money!

> Do you have any information on the volume in k-bytes for Fido? 

I, as a HUB for about 35 systems, USUALLY handle more on the
Fido side than on my Usenet side, and I have a FULL feed for
Usenet.  My inbound Echo Traffic looks something like this on
the average:

      Inbound compressed mail: 12028743 bytes  (42 bundles)
              Inbound packets: 20029305 bytes  (158 packets)
             Inbound echomail: 16362
      Outbound echomail [log]: 158711
 Inbound:Outbound ratio [log]: 1:9.7
           Duplicate echomail: 7
              Inbound netmail: 53
             Outbound netmail: 7
               Number of runs: 48
        Total processing time: 8.3 hours
               Toss-only time: 0 seconds
               Scan-only time: 0 seconds
               Toss-Scan time: 8.3 hours

My inbound Usenet is usually around 15-30MB perday..  I only give out
one almost full feed, and feed 4 others much less.

So, Fido is pretty busy!  I only get about 1/2 of the available
Echoes coming in here and going back out.

Hope this helps!

-Brian

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From: peter@global.hacktic.nl (Peter Busser)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
Subject: Re2: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 22:57:57 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Global Village 1

yury@bknight.jpr.com (Yury German) writes:

>create a mailing list for BOGUS NIXPUB POSTING I for one (and I am sure
>about 100 or so other people do not want to hear this Bull anymore.
                                                  ^^^^ You mean that your own
message is bullshit?

One question, how do you know what ``100 or so other people'' do or do not
want? Do you represent a club or something or are you politician? If not,
speak for yourself and don't confuse the thoughts of others with what YOU think.

Greetings,
Peter Busser
Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.bbs.misc,comp.misc
From: teddybur@netcom.com (John Sanger)
Subject: Re: The bogus Nixpub Posting
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 03:40:33 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <f6lnr5+@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>marc@r-node.gts.org (Marc Fournier - Sys Admin) writes:
>
>>	The why are you even making a big deal of this?? Sounds
>>to me that you just require the attention and are willing to
>>get it however you can...even by putting down something that you
>>say 'doesn't matter enough'!!
>
>Cuz it's become so much fun to gig you and those like you.  Just 
>like a big old foundering hog full of gas, I poke you and you fart
>some more.  Wheeeee!!!
>
It appears that the only one 'FARTING' in this thread is you, John.



Ciao!
	John S. :^)
	teddybur@netcom.com
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From: ken@pluto.dss.com (Ken Adler)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Need bbs numbers near San Diego
Date: 11 Sep 92 04:05:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Datability, Carlstadt, NJ

Anyone know any active BBS's that are  a local call away from San Diego?

E-mail responses would be best.

Alternatively, directions to a current list would be appreciated

thanks

ken
From: bheess@mcws.fidonet.org (Brian L. Heess)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Shame on Fidonet
Keywords: Shame Fido Fidonet Editorial
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 22:33:47 PDT
Reply-To: bheess@mcws.fidonet.org
Distribution: world
Organization: midnight computer wiring society - Tujunga, CA, USA

murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy) writes:

[...]
> license plates for cars.  The administrators seem to like the number but not
> the responsibility, cost, and work that goes along with it.  _That_ is the
> shame of Fidonet.
> 
>                          Your friend in Lawrence, Massachusetts...
>                                       - - - Murph

Hi Murph, haven't seen you around in a while.

So, come on...  Did somebody piss in your corn flakes?

Fido is like all of the rest.  If you hang out in the wrong place,
you might get shot...  There are a million different little sayings
that could fit there.

The ones that complain have usually done something wrong, OR, more
rarely, from what I've seen, had something done to them.  I have had
run-in's with a few other Sysops, and it's usually been because of
attitudes.

It works a lot like life, but, it's different, because you never
get to see the people you're talk to (like all of the nets) and,
the administrators USUALLY have some stake in the operation of
the net.

I am a hub in Zone 1, Net 102.  I am also an Echo Hub.  I have more
money in the hardware for the system, than I do for my personal
and business system.  I spend enough time making sure it works for
all of the guys under me, that I could be rich if I was getting
paid (just like all of us).  I also act as the Internet Gateway for
Nets 102, 103, 206 and 207.  This is ANOTHER headache.  I have to
write plenty of software, and help others test their software,
and all of that, just like any other Sysop.

One big difference, is that I do not charge a penny to ANY of the
users or nodes under me.

I also have 5 Usenet feeds below me...  This is another fun thing.

Anyway, to make a long story even longer <GRIN>, this seems to be the
kind of headache I enjoy...

If you can't take the heat...

Cheers!

-Brian


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From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Shame on Fidonet
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:48:37 GMT
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven

In article <1992Sep11.163458.13290@uvm.edu> cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
>	IMHO, administation in fidonet is not much different than
>usenet.  You have your good guys and your bad guys.

Administration?  Usenet?

We don't need no steenking administration.  You must have us mixed up with
some other network.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.dcom.modems
From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Subject: Zyxel models?
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:53:04 GMT


I hear that there are some new Zyxel models. Can someone please send a list
of available models, and the diffs between them?


Thanks. (email will do nicely)
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From: tryder@NYX.CS.DU.EDU (Trevathon Ryder)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: ** BattletechMUSE **
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:44:28 GMT

Ok.  I'm getting just a little agravated here!

Whats going on?  I've been told a multitude of stories.  
Ok, I understand that it went down to do the mech combat implementation
but that it was supposed to be done a week ago.  I was also told that it was
moving to a new address, but the new address does nothing either.
 
Anyhow, it'd be really nice if an OFFICIAL from there (hey Cliff!) would
make an OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT as to what is going on so at least his
faithful followers would have a CLUE!!!

Rand@BattletechMUSE
Rick@RobotechMUCK
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
Subject: Re: Fidonet sux, fee for access.
Keywords: Fidonet
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:34:06 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

murph@buscard.fidonet.org (Brian Murphy) writes:
>Yeah, Fidonet people have this document that even states is intentionally
>written to be vague but they worship that stupid thing like it's some sort of
>bible or something.

Checked out news.groups lately?
-- 
I fired MacArthur because he wouldn't respect the authority of the
President. I didn't fire him because  he was a dumb son of a bitch,
although he was, but that's not against the law for generals. If it was,
half to three-quarters of them would be in jail. -- Harry S Truman
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: mpdillon@uuisis.isis.org (Michael Dillon)
Subject: USENET and ftp access in Vancouver BC
Organization: International Shared Information Service (Ottawa)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 08:34:05 GMT

I am looking for access to USENET news, Internet mail and
ftp (preferably batch/offline ftp) in the Vancouver area
of British Columbia. I would prefer a system with a fixed
monthly fee and 14.4K bps access as I will be phoning
long distance from the Okanagan.
 
Any clues? hints? email addresses to try?
 
And if Vancouver is a no go, how about Spokane, WA or Seattle WA?????
 
Thanks
Newsgroups: alt.bbs
From: ST21519@VM.CC.LATECH.EDU
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Organization: LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 22:11:04 CST

>who are in positions of authority are the ones who have the bucks.  If they
>don't want something to be transmitted, they don't have to allow it.  The
>reason they got into co-ordinator positions in the first place is because they
 
Wrong!  The Backbone hubs were created in those cities where there were enough
nodes to chip in and cover expenses - ask John Souvestre as he is local to you.
This was what I always thought (the bucks part), but I learned otherwise from
those who actually are involved.  Tony Davis whom you may know of, is a wealth
of info regarding why things are why they are.
 
I can only speculate of your charge they don't have to allow something to be
transmitted as the conversation did drift as to why the CUNT and other various
related echos were dropped from the Backbone.  This was due to legal reasons -
Tony hired a lawyer who said they would win the war, but lose their machines in
the meantime.  Those involved decided it too risky and those echos happily move
on those persons systems who do not worry about someone knocking and taking
their machine.
 
Eddie Rowe Fidonet#1:19/124
From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Sad to say...
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:27:13 GMT

In article <XNDqqB1w165w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us> elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:
>mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings) writes:
>
>>  Well, Usenet does not have everything for all of its greatness. My BBS is
>> part of a network that uses the Fidonet style networking (since it is
>> mainly DOS machines and either Fido nodes or ex-Fido nodes) and it has
>> what my users want. I would love to switch to some variant of *nix but
>> then I would have to drop off of the network, at least for a few months.
>> All of the interface software between Usenet/UUCP and Fidonet style
>> networking is really bad on the *nix side and not much better (with the
>> exception of Waffle) on the Fido technology or DOS side. There are
>> *dozens* of small, special interest networks using Fidonet style
>> networking on mainly DOS machines.
>>
>
>Not so.  There is at least one *nix package to send/receive fido style mail.
>Taken from the file network.doc in the Waffle docs:
>
>----begin excerpt----
>
>M I S C E L L A N E O U S
>
>o  Receiving FIDONET echos on your system
>
>   There is a package called RFMAIL developed in Finland that
>   allows FIDO echos to be gated directly into Usenet style
>   newsgroups. These can then be understood by Waffle. There are
>   copies of RFMAIL available for
>
>   x  Anonymous FTP at ftp.ieee.org
>      /pub/bbs/rfmail*.tar.Z
>
>   x  X,Y,Z MODEM download at Darkside BBS, +1 408 245 SPAM
>      /files/unix/rfmail*.tz
>
>----end exceprt
>
>
>I cannot vouch for the quality of this package, but at least one exists.

 I know all about it. As I said, ALL of the networking gates are bad.
Rfmail is buggy and bad and doesn't support most of fidonet networking. It
is several years old.

Wassail,
Al Billings aka Grendel

                           mimir@u.washington.edu
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From: zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S. Zinzow)
Subject: Re: Cleveland BBS Numbers wanted!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:29:22 GMT

dlr3@po.cwru.edu (David Rodgers) writes:

>  I simply want to acquire numbers for free access bbs systems in
>Cleveland. Anyone?

TELEPHONE NUMBERS and internet addresses FOR SOME FREE-NET SYSTEMS
------------------------------------------------------------------
Cleveland Free-net (Cleveland, Ohio)    (216) 368-3888  (Some V.32bis lines?)
  telnet: freenet-in-c.cwru.edu (also a & b) or cwns2.ins.cwru.edu
          or 129.22.8.82

Heartland Free-net (Peoria, Illinois)   (309) 674-1100 
  telnet: heartland.bradley.edu (136.176.5.114)  login: bbguest
 
Lorain County FREE-NET (Elyria, Ohio 44035)   (216) 233-5929  - Lorain
                                              (216) 366-9753  - Elyria
  telnet freenet.LORAIN.OBERLIN.Edu (132.162.32.99)  login: guest

Medina County Free-Net (Medina, Ohio)   (216) 723-6732 
 
Tri-State Online (Cincinnati, Ohio)     (513) 579-1990 
  telnet: tso.uc.edu (129.137.100.1)   login: visitor
 
Youngstown Free-Net (Youngstown, Ohio)  (216) 742-3072 
  telnet: yfn.ysu.edu (192.55.234.27)  login: visitor
 
--- 
The Heartland Free-Net is an open-access community computer system and a
sister system of the Cleveland Free-Net.  The Heartland Free-Net is
sponsored by variety of supporters and is hosted by Bradley University in
Peoria, Illinois.
 
You may visit the system as a guest by entering the user id "bbguest" (in
lower case letters) at the "login:" prompt.
--- 
Tri-State Online, based in Cincinnati, Ohio, is an open-access community
computer system and a sister system of the Cleveland Free-Net.  Tri-State
Online is sponsored by Cincinnati Bell Telephone.
 
You may visit the system as a guest by entering the user id "visitor" (in
lower case letters) at the "login:" prompt.
 
---
The Youngstown Free-Net is an open-access community computer system and a
sister system of the Cleveland Free-Net.  The Youngstown Free-Net is
sponsored by St.  Elizabeth Hospital Medical Center and Youngstown State
University in Youngstown, Ohio.
 
You may visit the system as a guest by entering the user id "visitor" (in
lower case letters) at the "login:" prompt.
--- 
Note that the Heartland, Tri-State Online, and Youngstown Free-Nets are 
based on different software than the Cleveland Free-Net and you may experience 
some differences in the operation and functionality of the system. 

-----
For more information contact:
T.M. Grundner, Ed.D - President          Voice: (216) 368-2733
National Public Telecomputing Network    FAX: (216) 368-5436
Box 1987                                 Internet: aa001@cleveland.freenet.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.bbs,comp.dcom.modems
From: wolfgang@netcom.com (Wolfgang Henke)
Subject: Re: RE-USRobotics SysOp deal
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 05:44:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

naddy@mips.ruessel.sub.org (Christian Weisgerber) writes:
: In <r-vn!5f.wolfgang@netcom.com>, Wolfgang Henke writes:
: 
: > There are some manufacturers who where before USR in introducing V.32bis
: > modems to market.        
: 
: Are you willing to name them?

Digicom, Forval and maybe Motorola's modem divisons.

I just repeat what the consensus was in some other conference on this
point and this may not necessarily be correct. 






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