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This sounds very like "CrimeWave".

I think Raimi made it immediately after "Evil Dead", and it was his
first film with any kind of budget. Subsequantly the studio had more 
control over the film than Raimi liked, there were lots of arguments
etc, and the end result was something quite rambling and strange, which
Raimi himself was quite disappointed with.
From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: erotic movies
Date: 27 Aug 92 21:18:03 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

     It's a well-known fact that sex and mainstream movies really
don't mix well.  Hollywood would much rather show blood, guts, guns
and gore in their movies because this stuff isn't as "controversial"
as heavy sexual content.  As Robert Preston said in "Victor/Victoria:"
"You can kill them but you can't kiss them."
     I've been wanting to find a few good examples of genuine
eroticism in movies, but this genre seems to be non-existent.  I want
a movie with more than just raw sex in it; a plot and some
character development would help immensely.
     Why am I looking for these "adult" movies?  Well, curiosity would
probably be the best reason.  Violence in the movies has been taken to
the extreme with such things as "Faces Of Death," and even with more
"mainstream" movies like "Total Recall."  If I can watch gore-fests on a
regular basis (you don't have to look very far for a splatter film in your
local video store), then surely I can watch erotic films as well.  I'd like
to find something as pleasurable as the gory movies are repugnant.  The act
of making love is a much more natural and enjoyable act than blowing
someone away with a gun, and I want to see movies that freely express
themselves in this fashion, and actually enjoy themselves in doing so.  (Of
course, other "urges" also make these kinds of movies tempting, but hey -
I'm only human.  So kill me.)
     The problem is, I know next to nothing about most "adult" movies,
because what little I've seen of X-rated and "adult" material has
been, without exception: poorly made, lacking any story whatsoever,
ridiculous and BORING.  These movies' ideas of eroticism are for two
or more couples to leap in the sack and bang, bang, bang.  Yawn, yawn,
yawn, how original.
     Now, I'm not expecting to find the "Citizen Kane" of porno films
here.  But surely some "adult" movies have been made over the years
that put at least SOME emphasis on plot and character development,
even if it's in a soap-opera fashion.
     Foreign movies are well-known for being more open and free with
their sexual content, and this is a point in their favour.  There are
many classics of the foreign screen that I have yet to see as well,
and any advice in this direction would be most appreciated.  ("Jean De
Florette" was magnificent, though hardly erotic.  "Murmur Of The
Heart" was delightful - funny, touching, and even shocking.  And there
are others.)
     I can cross-post this message to alt.sex.movies, I guess, but I'm
not looking for "porn" per se.  What I want are erotic movies that
emphasize character development - or at least attempt to do so.

     Any suggestions?
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From: seyfrij@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Two columbus movies
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:53:01 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

to the question to if there are two columbus movies, the other one should
be release in october or november.
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From: ags@seaman.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Seaman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Film with the fe/malest cast
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:06:44 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <CHARLIE.92Aug28155049@charlie.uk.tele.nokia.fi>  
charlie@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Charlie Brown) writes:
> A (doubtless nonPC) tangent to the `film with the fewest actors'
> question, is which films have the most predominantly male or female
> casts. 

For an all-male cast, try "Billy Budd" from the 1960's, based on the  
Herman Melville story. The entire story takes place on ship.

For an all-female cast, there is "The Women", based on a story by Clare  
Booth. The entire plot is actually about men, but only women appear on  
screen.

--
Dave Seaman
ags@seaman.cc.purdue.edu
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Mountains of the Moon
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:46:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <BtK731.1v0@cmptrc.lonestar.org>, jspence@cmptrc.lonestar.org 
(John Spence) writes:

> Does anyone know if the film "Mountains of the Moon" was based on a book
> or was it an orginial screenplay. If it was a book, does anyone know the
> title and who wrote it?

I believe (don't quote me on this) that it was an original screenplay based
upon the notes taken by Burton and Spekes...

And if you want to get you hands on an excellent (if somewhat lengthy)
biography of Sir Captain Richard Francis Burton, drop me a line...I'll
check the author's name.  I'm only half way through, but he's an amazing man.
Thanks to Coop for lending it to me.  (Hope he gets a job soon)  :^)

And to anyone that likes adventure/epic movies: 
     GO RENT _MOUNTAINS OF THE MOON_!  It's GREAT!

Greg Bole                                   "I am only a human being person!"
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                  Laura Dern in _Rambling Rose_
From: rcbi27@muvms3.bitnet (DBRUM)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Showtime
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:43:47 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

In article <1992Aug25.145035.16130@nic.umass.edu>, a0s5108@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Neal and Mara Priestly) writes:
> S. Spencer Sun wrote most of the quoted text that follows 

> It is gernerally a case of someone being too lazy to look at THE TWO FOOT 
> CLOCK HANGING OVER MY HEAD.  I'm not kidding...the clock in our box office
> is twenty six inches across, but people still ask me what time is is.  I
> have taken to making a point of turning completely in place and checking
> the clock I bought for the express purpose of being HUGE AND NOTICABLE.

Yeah, and soon as your back is turned they probably snicker amongst themselves
and say: "See, made her do it again!"

..Hey, ya never know :-).

--danny
-- 
	"Were his solid black square paintings really,
	as the artist claimed, simply neutral, abstract
	compositions devoid of external references and
	meanings?" ***********************************
From: AH.PBL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark)
Subject: Re: definition of a 'shot'
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:04:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.140535.17775@ils.nwu.edu>,
tsui@ils.nwu.edu writes:
>after reading all the best shots from different people I've realized that
>everyone has been talking about sequences or scenes.  A shot is a piece of
>uninterrupted (uneditted) footage within a scene.  A sequence is a series of
>shots within a scene.
>
>Now that thats clear, what are the best "shots"?

  Like I said, just about anything from "Goodfellas".  For
  "uninterrupted", pay special attention to the scene in which
  Henry and Karen walk into the night club.  This is an
  outstanding example of "Steady-Cam" use.

  Of course, it doesn't even *begin* to compare to seeing
  "Miss Daisy" being spoon-fed.  Yuck.

  -- Mark

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From: cweller@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Catherine Weller)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 22:53:21 GMT

smith@panther.adelphi.edu (Jim Smith) writes:

>In article <1992Sep1.131734.1882@exu.ericsson.se> exukozi@exu.ericsson.se (Tom Koziatek) writes:

>>In article <1992Aug31.215528.29891@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> mlh@eddy.austin.ibm.com (Mike Haskell) writes:
>>>
>>> What is the most embarassing movie you have ever seen?  (What I mean by
>>> embarassing, is that you feel absolutely miniscule when the lights come
>>> up and you HAVE to walk out of the theater with every other bonehead
>>> who bought a ticket to this turkey).  

>Its either _Dune_.  My friend had read the book.  She dragged me to the 
>opening day:  "It's ganna be GREAT!", she said.  And we sat there going: 
>"What the?" during the Ride the Giant Sandworm scene.  We were the only 
>people in the theater, even the ushers had stayed outside.  So that must 
>have made us bone(alone)heads.

>Or its _Ice Pirates_ (_Ice Bandits_?), with its women as castrating bitches 
>theme.  Stink-oh!


Yes, but _Ice Pirates_ was *meant* to be a dog; you can't exactly say the
same for _Dune_. :p

As for *my* embarrassing movie... _Batman Returns_ I ended up giggling through
half the movie. Aaaarrroooooo!!!! (Sound of dog howling :) )

TTFN
Cath,
cweller@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au
no bart, no buaf, no stupidquote(tm). But I *have* been warlorded for it :)
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: 'Arthur' King of the Badly Dubbed Britons (was Re: Most Embarassing Movie)
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:30:32 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep3.155858.5666@riacs.edu> howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes:
>k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (ce) writes:

><Talking about "Excalibur" got me to thinking about the actor who portrayed 
><Arthur.

[rest deleted]

>The great Shakespearian actor Nicol Williamson, famous for his stage
>version of Hamlet, among others. Great actor, but has a reputation for
>being very hard to get along with. He has appeared in many films, but I
>believe he mostly confines his work to the stage.

Um, I believe that Nical Williamson played Merlyn, not Arthur.
But he is a great actor!


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From: ronnya@stud.cs.uit.no (Ronny Haavard Arild)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:44:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.004239.7891@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>,
 bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
"] "
"] "I see a lot of videos that I'm embarrassed to take back into the shops.
"] "The last time I saw a movie in a theatre that made me embarrassed to be
"] "there was when I saw 'Top Secret'. When those type of things work, such
"] "as Airplane or Police Squad, it's as good as it gets but when they're off
"] "they really stink.

I'm sorry to hear that, as I think _Top Secret_ is the funniest movie ever
made (unfortunately, I didn't see it at the movies). What do you mean by it
doesn't work, or maybe you've never seen any of the movies they spoofed
(Elvis-movies, war-movies, Blue Lagoon...)?

Ronny
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From: cass@netcom.com (Diana Tenery-Fisher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: What is the name of this movie?
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:31:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:

>Does anyone know the name of a movie that starred Danny Devito and Bette
>Midler in the 80's?

Ruthless People

>Andy
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From: rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (A Lady and her Walrus)
Subject: Re: Most Embarassing Movie
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:47:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.135003.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>In article <12060063@hpmwdjs1.sr.hp.com>, smorrow@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com 
>(Steve Morrow) writes:
>
>>     Mr. Frost.  I can understand Kathy Baker wanting a major role and
>>     maybe expecting one next to Jeff Goldblum, but someones idea of a
>>     thriller/chiller turned into a yawner/sleeper; I was really
>>     disappointed and embarressed for Goldblum.  This movie should have
>>     been called Mr. Tossed, as in my cookies.
>
>I agree...BUT the first ten minutes were *riviting*, and it had some neat 
>FX.  Like the chess board and the molton silver.
>
>And it was interesting to see Mr.Goldbloom with suck wild hair.  :^)

I've seen some bad movies in my day (Dr. Otto, for instance) but this wasn't
one of them.  Goldblum had me guessing through the whole movie as to whether
he was really the devil or not.  Probably the best scene was the one where he
takes the bullet and squeezes it into a fine liquid.  And yeah, the beginning
was very good.  Reminded me a little of "Arsenic and Old Lace".

The Walrus
From: ccaaipv@ucl.ac.uk (Ioannis Verikokakis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: great voices
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:07:33 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

t9014201@phillip.edu.au writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.165841.2313@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, jor1@hera.uucp (24315-rich) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug26.222234.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
>>> In a recent discussion of "field of dreams" I was struck by a memory ... I 
>>> think that movie may have the two best voices in all of Moviedom,
>>> 
>>> James Earl Jones
>>> Burt Lancaster
>>> 
>>> Other great voices... Jack Palance
>>> remember Clu Gulagar (badly spelled...)
>>> 
>>> I also remember being in love with June Allison's voice when I was a kid...
>>> 
>>> who else do you like?
>>> 
>>> rlwilliams@gallua
>>> 
>> 
>> How about Gregory Peck's voice (especially in the role of
>> Atticus Finch in "To Kill A Mockingbird")?
>-- 

>Hey don't forget Jack Nicholson's Big Messy Drawl...
>Audrey Hepburn's sweet polite English Accent.
>--
>                                     Greg McPherson * T9014201@phillip.edu.au

How could you forget Richard Burton. What a voice!!!

Yannis (in London).
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From: buccb@after.math.uiuc.edu (Carlos Dragonslayer Butler)
Subject: Re: sex in movies
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 05:34:01 GMT

Christina Lee writes
> 
> does anyone out there think that the sex scenes in certain
> movies are getting too explicit and not really called for?
> A number of movies come to mind:
> Boomerang

	The sex scene in Boomerang is there for an explicit 
purpose. I can understand beef about sex scenes when the movie 
would be unaffected without it, but Boomerang needed that 
scene to get the point across.

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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: great voices
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 15:52:15 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug28.143946.15003@usho93.hou281.chevron.com>
  <BtqIw4.3ss@news.cso.uiuc.edu>

Another actor with an absolutely wonderful voice is Sean Connery.
Check him out as he speaks in the single eating scene in 
Hunt for Red October.  Funny thing about him is that he sounds
almost the same whether his mouth is full of food or not. 

Harv
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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Columbus and 1492
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 20:33:05 GMT

In article <schuck.715278705@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>
>Christopher Columbus : The Discovery starring George Coraface[?],
						      Corraface
>out now, with an all-star cast [ie it sucks] made by the Salkinds
>and directed by John Glen , responsible for the last 5 James Bond
>movies. I heard they paid 5$ million for Marlon Brandos dreadful
>performance as Torquemada -- the Inquisitor.

Personally, I thought Brando was great as Torquemada.  Is your opinion
based on actually seeing the film, or the reviews you've seen?  (I
believe, by the way, that the $5 million figure you quote is correct,
and was an absurd amount to pay Brando for a relatively small role.)

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Most ridiculous sex scene (in a movie - not real life)
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:46:40 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <1992Aug30.132007.12372@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon) writes:
> 
> Although this post is a confession that I actually saw this stupid movie,
> (on video, though!!) how about HOWARD THE DUCK??
> 
Or how about _Basket Case II_?  Highly ee-rotic!
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From: maureenw@sco.COM (Maureen Wilkes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Truly Madly Deeply (*minor SPOILER*)
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:48:27 GMT
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.

In article <BtLIxy.GIt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> nancyl@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup) writes:
>Just rented Truly Madly Deeply last night and really liked it.  Would be 
>interested in comments from others who have seen it. thanks.
>

I thought it was far superior to "Ghost".  The performances were 
superb, particularly the *actor* ;-) who played Alan Rickman's widow.

I laughed heartily when the ghosts took over her living room -- mainly
because, if I were a ghost, that's probably how I'd be.

On the other hand, the friend who saw TMD with me didn't like it at
all. She found it gloomy and depressing, while I found it oddly 
reassuring.
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From: donm@intacc.uucp (Don McKellar)
Subject: Re: Mackenzie Bros. == Waynes World?
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:57:34 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

In article <smith.78@panther.adelphi.edu> smith@panther.adelphi.edu (Jim Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.210922.26869@sco.COM> maureenw@sco.COM (Maureen Wilkes) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug20.121748.885@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
>>>
>>>I haven't seen Waynes World but everything I hear makes it sound like a 
>>>Mackenzie Brothers ripoff. Has anyone who's seen both noticed this?
>>>
>
>
>>Wayne and Garth are to Suburban Southern Ontario as Bob and Doug are to
>>Northern Ontario.
>
>>They are satires of different "types" of hicks.
>
>Hun?!  Wayne and Garth are Suburban Northern Illinoisians.  Wayne and Garth 
>are as much of a rip off of Bob and Doug as Butch and Sundance are.
>
>Jim
>smith1.franklin@panther.adelphi.edu


Maybe there are some that take it at face value and truly believe that
the Aurora of W's W. is some suburb of Chicago, but those of us in the
know, or at least those of us from Southern Ontario in the know, have a
different story.  American's are forever taking Canadian stories, shot
in Canadian cities, and relocating them somewhere in the American Mid-
West.  I'm from Toronto, a city that Hollywood has disguised variously
as Pittsburgh, New York, Cincinnati, etc., and in this case Chicago.

We have a famous metal club called the Gasworks, we have a famous
chain named after a hockey player (Tim Horton as opposed to Stan Mikita).

But most important, we have, or had, Wayne.  Mike Myers was born in a
suburb of T.O. and it was here he introduced the Wayne persona on 
a local video show.  He has often stated that the character, his 
lingo, and his antics were picked up from the suburban pals he met
growing up in his home town.

Rick Moranes and Dave Thomas, The Mackenzie Brothers, are, of course,
also from Toronto.  They too, developed their characters, on local TV,
as local satire.  So the comparison between Bob and Doug, and Wayne
and Garth are not as far fetched as they may seem. 

Besides, the plots to Strange Brew and W's W. are almost identical, in case
you didn't notice.


From: cn@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Needham)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:03:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Why the title Notorious?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies

frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>Yes, the character Bergman plays is notorious, that is, she
>has questionable reputation.

>But, I suspect that the title is also playing upon the fact
>Ingrid Bergman herself was still something of a notorious
>woman for having left her husband and family to live with
>Roberto Rossellini in, what, 1949 or so. Her career was
>destroyed for years in the U.S. by going against the saintly
>image her Hollywood handlers had built up for her. NOTORIOUS
>was made not long after Bergman was able to return to
>Hollywood. Wasn't ANASTASIA her come-back movie?

Quite a good justification, but "Notorious" was made in 1946, three years
before the scandal. Her last "Hollywood" film was Hitchcock's Under Capricorn
in 1949, but that was even filmed in England (hence the quotes around 
Hollywood). Her come-back movie was indeed Anastasia in 1956 for which she
received the best actress Oscar.

I suspect the main reason the film is just called "Notorious" is that Hitchcock
loved punchy, one word titles, as in:

Downhill (1927)
Champagne (1928)
Blackmail (1929)
Murder! (1930)
Sabotage (1936)
Rebecca (1940) 
Suspicion (1941)
Saboteur (1942)
Lifeboat (1943)
Spellbound (1945)
Notorious (1946)
Rope (1948)
Vertigo (1958)
Psycho (1960)
Marnie (1964)
Topaz (1969)
Frenzy (1972)

[Actually some of these weren't Hitch's chosing as they were based on plays
 or novels of the same name, but you get the general idea].

Cheers,

Col

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From: cooper@cos.com (Gary Cooper)
Subject: Re: Best War Movies?
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:28:45 GMT

In <1992Aug10.182830.20906@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:


>What about Hunt for Red October?  Not really a war, but it's a sub.

Cold War counts :> 

gary cooper (not the dead one)
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: ** ULTIMATE CLASSIC MOVIE BABES ** Who?
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:28:45 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

>In article <1992Aug16.000336.4292@daimi.aau.dk> pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk (Jakob G}rdsted) writes:
>>john@spss.com (John Przyborowski) writes:
>>
>>>Let's not forget Jodie Foster............
>>
>>No. Let's forget Jodie Foster. She is a reasonably good actor,
>>but to put it midly she is not pretty. 

I wonder if Hinckley has earned net privileges yet. He'll have to speak
up (or act out :-) ) on this one.


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