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From: harvey@rtsg.mot.com (Anne M. Harvey)
Subject: Re: Meconium in Waters (was Re: Birth Story & moving with a newborn)Keywords:
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:04:49 GMT


Just as another data point, my baby was delivered by an ob, in a hospital
and had all three risk conditions mentioned in a previous post: 9 days
overdue, meconium in the amniotic fluid, heart rate slowed.  But I delivered
vaginally.  This may have been due to one or more of the following factors:

    the waters didn't break until well into labor (~16 hours);

    baby's heart rate didn't slow until I'd been pushing for over an hour
    (at that point it may have been too late to do a c-section);

    I'd told my doctor I really wanted to avoid a c-section.  

However, when the baby's heart rate began not recovering well after pushes
and I wasn't making any progress pushing, she was delivered with forceps.

Also the pediatrician began popping in the ldr quite often after meconium
was found in the waters; she stayed in the ldr for the last hour.  (Baby was
delivered ~6 hours after waters broke).  The pediatrician suctioned the baby
before the body was delivered.  I later learned it was fairly unusual (at
least at our hospital) for the pediatrician to spend that much time at the
delivery.  (Her office being across the parking lot may have had something
to do with it.)  The pediatrician's total charge was  under $250.  Both the 
baby and I were fine and were released less than 24 hours after delivery.

Our Bradley instructor, who had home-births herself, said that midwives have
the equipment to do the suctioning.  And most will still deliver the baby
when there is meconium in the water, unless there are other signs of
distress.  She said that midwives usually have a back-up o.b. and that in
case of problems, you may be transported or an o.b. or pediatrician could be
called to the house.  You probably want to talk it over with your midwife.

anne


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lois@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Lois Lew)
Subject: Re: Aggression in boys (Was: Re: BARBIE
Reply-To: lois@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Lois Lew)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 21:09:36 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.221426.4440@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
+
+	I got out first and I filled my lunchbox up with rocks.
+He got out, and when the bus left I brained him.   I kept hitting
+him until the lunchbox fell apart.  He was bloody and lying on 
+the street when I left.   He obviously didn't die because my parents
+were never contacted, but I worried that a call would come.
+
+I never saw him again.   The problem was solved as far as I was
+concerned.
+

What if you had killed him?

Fighting is not neccessarily a bad thing in all cases, but hitting
someone with a metal object filled with rocks can very easily be
fatal. 

+Even a weak child can act humble then pick something up when
+the bully turns around.
+
What then happens when the weak child turns around some day?

-Lois


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas  Tovornik)
Subject: Re: Mattel on women
Reply-To: atovorni@engr.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 22:11:49 GMT

In article @lynx.unm.edu, bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.133325.6516@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>>>
>>>>Any ideas for nice things a 'Barbie' _could_ actually say about math? 
>>
>>Nothing.
>>>
>>[What Barbie could say:]
>>>Math is interesting!
>>
>>Why should she lie?  Math is boring and absurd.  :-)  At least
>>I though so, and I've done fairly well in life without it thank you.
>>
>Uh-oh, another "people person", eh? 
>
>I guess we could all be salepeople, or maybe lawyers. Yeah,
>that's it. We can run our economy by just suing each other
>and maybe selling each other Big Macs.
>
>I've got news for you. The world needs people who are good
>at math, and has an abundance of people who can't do it.
>A girl (or boy) would do well to consider math-intensive careers,
>and most will not benefit from additional encouragement to
>avoid math.

I took all kinds of math to be a scientist. Forgot it all right
after the finals. I did SADISTICS, CALCULESS, and LOONIER ALGEBRA.
I was a scientist and now I'm studying engineering. Go figure.
The math here is HARD. If barbie says so, there is some wisdom at
Mattel. I think it's Barbie's tone of voice that should be emphasized
here. Some kids who get these toys don't even know what math is.
I didn't know what real math was until college. Unfortunately, Mattel's
wisdom is misplaced IMHO. If there was a Barbie for adults, the wisdom
would be appropriate. Math IS hard, boring, and extremely absurd.

>Congratulations on your success in your math-avoiding career.
>Just don't come near my daughter with your career advice, please.

What am I doing in this career direction? Am I grown up yet?

Andreas.
From: lcheap@cac.washington.edu (Laurel Cheap )
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: places to live in the USA
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:40:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct13.194023.18618
Organization: UW Computing

In article <3746@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
>In article <3363@isgtec.isgtec.com> mike@isgtec.com (Mike Sellers) writes:
>>
>>My top choice for livability, cost, etc., especially considering factors 
>>like gardening, traffic, crime, climate, schools, and other family needs,
>>is still the Portland area, specifically Tualatin/Sherwood, without question.
>>The entire Pacific NorthWest ("upper left coast" :-) ) is quite good...
>
>Actually, Oregon (and the whole Pacific Northwest, for that matter) is
>a TERRIBLE place to live!!  It's cold, wet, damp here--terrible climate,
>really unfriendly people, awful schools.  Oh yeah, and crime--LOTS of
>crime.  And I almost forgot--no jobs here either.  Not to mention a
>bunch of active volcanoes.  No point in coming here at all, actually!  
>California is much, much nicer.
>
>;^)
>
>Judy Drake

That's EXACTLY right, Judy.  It's a *terrible* place to live.  You 
forgot to mention the horrible traffic and floods everywhere 'cause
of the rain.  And the wild animals invading neighborhoods too.  And
slugs!  BIG, *slimy* slugs - everywhere!  Be warned - stay away!

Laurel (oh yes, if forgot the smileys: ;-)  ;-) )
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From: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up"  (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:33:26 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

I hate to follow up on my own article, but I have to clarify one point:

In article <3750@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
>
>I don't think I'll _ever_ feel grown up, but there are times when I
>definitely feel OLD, i.e.:
>
>  ...
>- when I started eating Oreo cookies whole 

Now, what I meant here wasn't that I put a whole Oreo cookie in my
mouth at once, but that I no longer take them apart and eat the
frosting half first (well, most of the time).

While I'm here, I might as well add a couple of more things that make
me feel old, oops, I mean grown up:

- when everyone at my New Year's Eve party goes home early and is in
  bed by 10:30, and I myself can't even stay awake long enough to see 
  the ball drop on TV.

- when the things I used to do in my youth no longer seem cool but
  now just seem silly.

and probably the most jolting of all,

- I can remember my parents when they were my present age!

Judy Drake
From: LISAS@pucc.Princeton.EDU (Lisa S Lewis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Kids and Reactions to Flu Shots?
Date: 16 Oct 92 19:47:30 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <2663@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM>
sg@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Susanne Gilliam) writes:
 
>
>
>  My pediatrician recently told me that she strongly recommends that I get
>my kids flu shots this year.  This is based on the fact that they have
>pneumonia a minimum of twice a year, bronchitis at least that much, and my
>2.5 year old daughter already had her first bout of pneumonia for this
>season, in Sept, while on full strength antibiotics (Pediazole) which is
>not a good omen.  She is 2; her brother is 5.
>  So, what I'm interested in is experiences from those who's kids have had
>flu shots in other years -- did the child have any reactions?  If so what,
>
>
 
My son has asthma, so flu shots are indicated for him.  He has had very
mild reactions, much less worse than a bout with flu followed by an asthma
attack.  He got his shot a week ago and didn't seem very much bothered by
it (though for the first year a child needs a shot AND a booster.)  This
was his third year getting the shot.  His arm got very swollen at the site
of the injection, but didn't seem to bother him at all.
 
Obviously it looked worse than it was.
From: grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: re: Odd Sayings...
Date: 9 Oct 1992 08:07:32 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I hear this alot (coming from my own mouth, which I swear! took lessons
from my Mom!):

Don't Chew on your shoes!


And then there are those webotch to no end:

"Don't eat with yor mouth full"

-Shirl
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 92 Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:52:05 GMT
Organization: nope

In article <SHAFER.92Oct6153914@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
>On 6 Oct 92 21:10:36 GMT, kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) said:
>
>David> Ah, I believe that was Major Major Major, who was promoted from
>David> lieutenant through Captain in record time.  Needless to say,
>David> Major Major Major Major had not the slightest chance of a making Colonel.
>
>There was indeed a Major Major here at Edwards AFB once.  At the same
>time we also had a Captain Marvel.
>

Ah, I suggest that you keep your eyes peeled for an ex-PFC
Wintergreen or anyone named J. Heller.

8-) for those of you who need it.


-- 
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uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
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From: sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Having more than 2
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:20:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: random.1992Oct13.162057.19644
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University

I'm mom to Laura (3.7 years) and Brian (9 months) and debating 
having another.  The evening seemed so long when we had just one, but now
that it is split between the two of them, there just doesn't seem to be
enough time.  The thought of having to divide the hours three ways seems
impossible.  However, I imagine that the oldest starts spending more
time with friends or with her own pursuits, leaving (hopefully) time
for number 3.  I just love babies (and I'm pretty fond of kids, too!)
and don't really feel "finished."

I'm contemplating a larger age gap (4-5 years)
between number 2 and 3.  Basically, Laura and Brian are developing
a good relationship and I don't want to disrupt it by having another
baby that ends up close to Brian and leaves Laura in the lurch.
Anyway, I'd love to hear from others who had more than 2 while
working.  I would expect it to be more work than 2 (I'm not a fool)
but did it disrupt family harmony?  Any thoughts on spacing?
Am I out of my mind?  What was the deciding factor for those who
had 2 and stopped?  Sanity?

P.S.  We use a nanny for daycare, so except for college and preschool 
and clothing and.... there wouldn't be that much extra expense (oh, yeah:-)).
-- 
Susan Gauch
sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu
From: hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 10-year-old ostracized at school
Date: 15 Oct 92 18:23:54 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: earth.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Oct15.164108.15804@nas.nasa.gov> choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi) writes:
>thacher@renbourn.unx.sas.com (Clarke Thacher) writes:
>>My ten year old daughter, Sara, has had a similar problem with fitting 
>>in at school and having various forms of ill treatment.  These problems
>>
>>She is an only child and very smart, and as a result, she is much better 
>>at interacting with adults than her peers.  < stuff deleted> 
>
>That's interesting ...two other persecuted children that I knew of were
>also only children.  Is Eddie an only a child too?  Is this just a
>coincidence?

My guess would be no.  The oddest child that I knew when I was young
was an only child.  She fit the mold described here--very smart, and
much better at interacting with adults than with children.  I can
remember thinking (at a fairly young age) that she just didn't seem
to "get" how to play.

Now, we'll hear from all of the parents whose only children turned
out to be Class President and Head Cheerleader and Captain of
the football team  

;o)

Sue
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.singles
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Subject: Re: Aggression in boys (Was: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:49:26 GMT

In article <LOWRY.92Oct7170735@rotor.watson.ibm.com> lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.162053.3664@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
> >  
>Incidentally, if my daughter ever meets your son and acts in a way you
>don't think is civil, and if you don't agree with my handling of the
>situation, you should think twice before "[doing] it [yourself]," by
>which I presume you mean you would take my child's disciplining into
>your own hands.

I'd love to see you, Andy, in a situation where you kid gets cut or
punched or bruised or hurt in some other way and the parents of the
kid won't so anything about it.  Especially, say, if she's about sixteen
and comes home from the prom with her dress torn and her dignity shattered
and the law won't help you because there isn't enough evidence and the
school won't help you because the boy is the star center of the basketball
team and the parents don't believe you and call your daughter a slut.
You're going to go use logic to handle that?  I bet.
>
> > Yes the bully's father appears to be raising a serial killer or at
> > the very least someone who post's out of left field.
>High-flying hyperbole, unfounded personal attacks on me and on Diane
>Lin, attacks on feminism, macho posturing...  I expect if we met in a
>playground you'd try to knock me over.  I hope not too much of this
>rubs off on your son.

Andy, I know james and in my opinion he's one hell of a good parent
who is doing one hell of a good job raising two kids.  Both of them
would be damn lucky to have their father's values rub off on them.

-Nance
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ett@island.island.COM (Ed T. Tabachini)
Subject: Air travel w/2 yr old!
Summary: Help me make for a pleasant flight!
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:57:55 GMT

I'm about to embark on a 5 hour flight with a 2 year old and a 9 month old.
I'm not worried about the 9 monther but the 2 year old has now officially
entered the "Terrible Two's!" Any advice on how I can keep him occupied? On
a similar flight a few months back he couldn't keep still and sometimes
resorted to crying- if possible, I'd like to spare the other passengers. It's
a morning departure so it's not near his nap time. Does cough medicine help
make him drowsy and more subdued?

Thanks in advance!



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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: When did you feel "grown-up"  (was: Re: maternity lingerie)
Organization: Fermilab Computing Division
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:42:47 GMT

In article <9210051353.AA02982@panhed.psc.edu>, grant@panhed.psc.edu (Shirl Grant) writes:
>>Anyone else have these "I guess this means I'm a "grown-up" " experiences?
> 

	I still don't feel grown up (42), but being called *grandpa*
	this year has gotta come close.


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From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Help avert a tragedy
Date: 11 Oct 1992 22:23:43 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     The local news just announced that another fire occurred last night,
taking the life a several members of a family.  Firefighters say that,
children playing with matches have caused a number of recent fires, and -
while they aren't sure if that was the cause here - they do say that lives
could have been saved if the smoke detector had had batteries.
     The reporter said firefighters want to emphasize how important it is to
teach your children about fire safety, and teach them early.  It is something
very dangerous, and if your child has nightmares the first night or two after
being told how he/she would end up dead and not be with their parents or
friends or anything if a fire started, it's worth it to get the message
across.  14 children and 8 adults have died so far this summer and fall
in house fires.
     Officials also said that faulty smoke detectors have prevented at least
a few people from awakening in time.  Please, *please*, check the batteries
in your detectors a couple times a year.  Some people say to do it on an
anniversary or some other date, but if you only plan it once a year, then
are too busy to recall, it may be too late.  It helps to have several - perhaps
one in each bedroom.  And, have an effective fire escape plan - a few years
back, a parent was killed running back inside for her children, even though
they were safe; they failed to establish a meeting place beforehand, and
had scattered getting out of the house.
     Sorry to sound so downbeat, but it's really disturbing to hear about
all these tragedies, and I had to get it off my chest.  Hopefully, noone
on this network will ever have to worry about such a disaster.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: beth@col.hp.com (Beth Vail Jones)
Subject: Re: Names (don't do this to your kids)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:49:38 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Shoot, I can't resist any longer!

My dentist is Dr. Payne (nice guy, fortunately).

My grandfather's urologist was Dr. Dickie.  When Dr. Dickie retired,
Grandpa started going to Dr. Dudzinski (I figured that was Polish for
Dickie).

Beth Jones
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:16:03 GMT

In a recent misc.kids, Jennifer Brindle wrote:

>What is wrong with her saying that?  Math class IS hard--for most people.

What's wrong with her saying that is that there are planty of people
for whom math class is *not* hard. Some of them are girls. And some of
them are going to do exactly what I did, which is to pretend all through
high school that I thought math and chemistry and physics were hard.

I remember lying about how long I had studied for a chemistry test
on which I got a high score. I recall pretending that I thought that
I had been lucky to "guess" the right answers on multiple choice tests,
although I had actually not guessed at all.

My friends from high school were amazed when I majored in Math at
University. ("But, Marcy," they all said, "You have always *hated*
math!")

See, girls are *supposed* to think math is hard, and if you don't,
then there's something wrong with you. In a way, Jennifer was lucky
that she thought math was hard, because she didn't have to choose
between being good at math and being good at being a girl. 

And Barbie is perpetuating the stereotypes that make girls feel
they can either be good at math or good at being a girl, but not
both.

Marcy



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