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From: etsang@skat.usc.edu (Eric Tsang)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: A personal experience
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:23:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Jul22.154358.1834@cypress.com> sh@cypress.com (Steven Haigh/VDSP) writes:
> The experience of preparing for this audition taught me a lot
> about drumming, the music bussiness and yes, even life.
>
>Steve.
>
>

I have a similar experince too.  Last semester, I got a chance to play
my music in the Art Festival of my U.  They put me in a open area for
show.  Since I had only few weeks to prepare a one hour show, I had
to make new songs, revise old one and prepare many other things in
a very short period of time.  I didn't believe that I could do so
many things(and the quality was not bad too).  Unfortunately, during
the Festival weekend, it was raining heavily and they cancelled all
open area show.  However, even though the show was unsucessful, I 
learnt a lot just like steve.  I totally agree with steve and 
good luck to you and all musician who are having hard time right now.

P.S.  You broke 8 drum sticks!! Luckily I didn't break any keys on
      my synthesizer......  

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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: brian@grebyn.com (Brian Bishop)
Subject: Re: Insuring home studio equipment?
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:54:15 GMT

In article <6930.2a6c0f7f@dcatla.uucp> duslt@dcatla.uucp writes:
>I have over the past several months built up a pretty good home studio setup,
>and heve several thousand dollars invested in equipment.  I decided that I 
>really needed to have this covered by insurance, so I called my friendly
>homeowners' agent to add some additional coverage to cover this equipment.

  I know the feeling...

>
>They are giving me no end of grief about covering my studio gear.  First I
>have to unequivocally swear that I never do anything there for which I charge
>anywone, then they still act like they don't really want to cover it because
>electronic equipment is considered "high risk", and the underwriters don't
>want to cover you when two thirds of the content value of your home is in
>electronic stuff.  Apparently professional musicians have the same problem in
>covering their gear.  If you are a musician, the insurance companies think you
>are a bad risk and don't want to cover you.
>
>Anyway, I am looking for ideas as to how I might get this stuff covered, 
>preferably without having to restrict myself from ever doing a session for
>someone for money.  Does anyone know of an insurance company that specializes
>is coverage for musor would be willing to write a policy to cover my home studio equipment?
>

   I have talked to two companies, GEICO and USAA, and both were more
than happy to insure my equipment. You do have to promise that it is
for "non-professional" use, and you have to buy a minimum amount of
insurance (12K-15K). They even offer full-cost replacement options,
and GEICO offered me a discount because I get my car insurance from
them. Note that this was "renter's insurance" and not a rider on a
homeowner policy. But I would think that a company would be more
interested in extra business from a homeowner policy than a piddley
12K renter's policy...

  BB



-- 
Brian Bishop, Senior Software Engineer, Virtual Technologies (brian@grebyn.com)

Out on the water, where the sailing men all go,
                             The water's high, while all the fish swim low....
From: mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: A personal experience
Date: 25 Jul 1992 22:18:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: sdacs.ucsd.edu

>
>However, the audition didn't go well. They didn't want to play the stuff I
>worked on (bummer). We just jammed for a while and I was too wasted by
>this point to give it my best shot.
>
>---------------- THE BOTTOM LINE --------------
>
>Go for it. Take auditions you may not be capable of and don't get pissed off
>if you fail. The experience of preparing for this audition taught me a lot
>about drumming, the music bussiness and yes, even life.
>
>Steve.
>

I hope the poster means 'wasted' in a phyical, and not psychological sense.  I
have auditioned many musicians who show up stoned or drunk, then wondered why
the band said "don't call us....".  It's fine to 'party' before or during
musical creativity, but never make the mistake of doing so at an audition.

Michael Breen
singing and philisophizing
(and sobering up long enough to not get the job)
From: chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Chris Christensen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Looking for Cassette Test Tape
Summary: Here is the addreses for the two "major" suppliers of test tapes
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:16:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

In article <1992Jul28.211957.28412@iex.uucp>, mikek@iex.UUCP 
(Mike Keilhofer) writes:
> Can anyone tell me where I can buy a test and alignment tape for
> Cassette players. I had been told that Abex Labs sold them
> but find their number out of service.

I don't know anything abour Abex labs but here is a compilation of
Info.

*****

In article <1992Feb28.075026.17517@beaver.cs.washington.edu> 
dylan@cs.washington.edu (Dylan McNamee) writes:

>Where can one purchase a cassette deck alignment tape?  How much should
>one cost, and are any of them "to be avoided"?  

Michael Schuster writes:

Most people think the tapes from Magnetic Research Lab are the best. But
they're expensive. A good bargain in a name-brand tape is the TEAC MTT-114N
which is used as the reference for tape head azimuth by many Japanese
cassette deck manufacturers.

It costs $38 and can be ordered direct from TEAC parts dept at 213-726-0303,
X720 or X757

Chris Christensen adds:

Magnetic Reference Laboratory Inc.
229 Polaris Ave., Suite 4
Mountain View, CA 94043
415-965-8187

Standard Tape Laboratory, Inc.
26120 Eden Landing Rd. #5
Hayward, CA 94545
415-786-3546

I have tapes from MRL and  from STL.  I have never used tapes from TASCAM 
but I have no reason not to believe that they are as good as they should be.

Both MRL and STL do offer tapes at various levels and configurations.

My MRL cassette alignment tape cost me $80 three years ago.
-- 
Chris Christensen                  The opinions I express are my own,
chrisc@gold.gvg.tek.com            and sometimes they are wrong!
916-478-3419 FAX 916-478-3887      After all, I *AM* only human.
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: noise abatement shuts down Tesla
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:03:33 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Jul23.162611.8376@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> bw@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.092455.15022@walter.cray.com>, bdavis@cray.com (Brent G Davis) writes:
>|> Not to be picky, but the sound power doubles for every 3 dB increase.
>|> Thus, 96 dB is about 10 times (2^3.33) more powerful than 86 dB.
>You are both right.  Remember, Greg listed A-weighted measurements, which
>approximate human hearing.  Although sound pressure levels double with 
>each 3dB increase, tests have shown that it takes a 10dBA increase for
>someone to *perceive* a doubling of the sound level.  

Tests have shown?  I believe 10dB (or 1 Bel) is, by definition, a
doubling of perceived volume.  This goes back to the early days of
the phone company who coined the measurement.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.music.progressive,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: jimh@pacdata.uucp (Jim Harkins)
Subject: Re: Will the real ALT.MUSIC.PROGRESSIVE please stand up!
Organization: Pacific Data Products
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:22:16 GMT

>> Once again, "progressive" != "alternative".
>
>Great. Now just define "alternative" and we'll all know exactly what
>"progressive" is.

Simple.  "alternative" != "progressive".  What could be simpler?

Sorry, couldn't resist.  I think what people will need to realize is that
there are going to be some overlapping definitions of both, and there will
be some people who don't know what they're talking about (i.e., they don't
agree with me).  Thats life, and thats why God gave us threaded newsreaders.

jim

-- 
Lawyers Creed:  What's mine is mine, what's yours is negotiable.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Harkins                         [ucsd|uunet]!pacdata!jim
Pacific Data Products               jim@pacdata.com
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: bhatia@moscow.uucp (25581-bhatia)
Subject: Re: Trying to locate a Santana tune
Reply-To: bhatia@moscow.UUCP ()
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: rec.music.makers
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:33:29 GMT
Keywords: try a little harder now

In article <1992Jul19.162036.3641@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> bhatia@moscow.UUCP (Raman Bhatia) writes:
>Does anybody know which Santana Album contains the song
>                        -------
>"Try a little harder now"? I've been trying to locate it
>-------------------------
>for some time w/o success (guess I just have to try a
>little harder ...)
>

C'mon, don't tell no one's heard of this tune? I thought it was famous!
Perhaps I should ask Carlos himself (anyone have his email address?!)

Raman
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: noise abatement shuts down Tesla
Date: 21 Jul 92 11:17:24 GMT
Organization: Naff Green Shorts Dance Co.
In-reply-to: grego@bit.UUCP's message of 20 Jul 92 15:45:29 GMT

In article <373@bit.UUCP> grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti) writes:

   Now as anybody who has been reading this group in last few months knows
   it is pretty hard to run a rock concert at (much less below) 95dB.

It is?

   Tesla's monitor system alone failed the check.

Hah!

   Many people drove from Portland to Salem only to be turned away. Could be
   interesting to see what transpires in the halls of Salem during the next
   few weeks. I hope this is not a trend.

Actually, if it's all the same to you, I'd rather stay in full possession of
my hearing faculties in ten years. (But then, I don't go to Tesla concerts.
Who are Tesla anyway?)

Nick.
--
  Nick Rothwell, LFCS, Edinburgh | "Say, how many contemporary dancers are
               nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk |     there in this bar?"
CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance | "Dunno; count the Dr. Martens and
     cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk |     divide by two..."
From: Virginia.A.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Virginia A. Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: I need more music jokes
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:46:10 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Q:How many drummers does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A:None. They have machines that can do that
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: patti@hosehead.intel.com (Patti Beadles)
Subject: Digital piano questions
Originator: patti@hosehead
Reply-To: patti@hosehead.intel.com
Organization: Intel Development Tools Operation, Hillsboro, OR
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:44:53 GMT

I'm thinking about buying a digital piano, and would like opinions
from folks who have some experience with them.

In a past life, I was a relatively good pianist, but for the last
ten years or so, I've played very little.  When I played frequently,
I was very picky about the sound and the feel of the instrument I
was using.

I spent a little bit of time in a store yesterday, and was tolerant of
if not excited by the models I was playing.  (I played several, but
a Korg and a Roland stick out in my mind.  I, like a fool, didn't get
model numbers.)  I'm terribly out-of-practice, though, so I couldn't
really be picky about what I was playing.

My questions:  Will I be happy with a digital in six months to a year,
when I've regained skill?  Is there a particular brand or model that
I should look at?  What are reasonable prices for a new unit?  Am I
likely to find something acceptable used?  (Anybody have one they want
to sell?  :-)
-- 
patti@hosehead.intel.com | I don't speak for Intel, nor vice-versa.
75555.767@compuserve.com |
          (503)-696-4358 | Practice random kindness and
  or yell, "Hey, Patti!" |                  senseless acts of beauty.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: wpf@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (William Fornaciari)
Subject: Re: Playing cover songs
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 02:10:30 GMT

i think that when you "cover" a popular song, and add a lot of stuff of your
own, the word "cover" is not appropriate.

E.g.   "my favorite things" j coltrane was scarcely covering the broadway
standard

less extreme example:  heard it thru the grapevine
m gaye was not covering g knight and the pips; but,
ccr was covering m gaye

l fonstadt covered everything...
er ... ronstadt

joe cocker seems to reinterpret old songs, not cover them

any more?

bill.

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.music.progressive,alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
From: gse9k@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Scott Evans)
Subject: Re: Will the real ALT.MUSIC.PROGRESSIVE please stand up!
Reply-To: thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans)
Organization: or lack thereof
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:45:34 GMT


>> Once again, "progressive" != "alternative".
>
>Great. Now just define "alternative" and we'll all know exactly what
>"progressive" is.


Actually, Paul, then we'll know what "progressive" isn't :)

A lot of people used to use the terms "alternative" and "progressive"
interchangably.  These days "alternative" seems to refer to the type
of music you might see on 120 Minutes on MTV -- Lush, Ride, My Bloody
Valentine, even Superchunk or Nine Inch Nails.  There's lots of little
subcategories there too (of course), including industrial, grunge,
the "Manchester scene", etc. etc.  Some people also call it
"college" music.

Anyway, it's obviously nearly impossible to categorize music, and
it's certainly not worth a flame war.  I just wanted to clarify the
misunderstanding that is often made about alt.music.progressive and
now alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive, which is that they don't 
refer to the above-mentioned type of music.

I'm guessing that the original poster ("it doesn't seem right to talk
about Kansas or Genesis on this group") was one of the many who
misinterpreted the group's name.


s
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Insuring home studio equipment?
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:26:12 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <6930.2a6c0f7f@dcatla.uucp> duslt@dcatla.uucp writes:
>I have over the past several months built up a pretty good home studio setup,
>and heve several thousand dollars invested in equipment.  I decided that I 
>really needed to have this covered by insurance, so I called my friendly
>homeowners' agent to add some additional coverage to cover this equipment.
>
>They are giving me no end of grief about covering my studio gear...

State Farm has never given me one iota of hassle about my studio (which
is well into 5 digits).  They don't have a special clause to cover
electronic equipment (with the exception of personal computers).  My
studio is simply considered property along with my furniture and
other contents of my house.  As long as my coverage amount is high
enough and I don't use the equipment professionally, everything's cool.

You might want to shop around for another homeowner's agent.  (seriously)

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: gds@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Subject: Re: Mungo Jerry = Robert Palmer ?
Originator: gds@oahu.cs.ucla.edu
Reply-To: gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Organization: too funky
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 05:46:32 GMT

In article <19920727200732.9.TOROSIAN@GANESH.MCC.COM> ai.torosian@mcc.com (Dan Torosian) writes:
>Last weekend, another musician at a gig told me that "Mungo Jerry"
>(early 70's? one-hit wonder with 'In The Summertime') was actually
>Robert Palmer.  Anyone else (like Brian Rost maybe) know about this?

Mungo Jerry is the name of a band, not a person.


Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: kmorton@panix.com (Ken Morton)
Subject: For Sale
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:24:00 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


I'm posting this for a friend....

	Peavey BH Series Powered Speaker Cabinet
		2 8" Scorpion Speakers (4 ohms each)
		1 4x10 Horm (8ohms)
		210 watts into 4 ohms
		
		$300
		
	Shure VocalMaster PA Columns
		Pair
		each has:
			10"
			4x6"
			Room for another 10"  (ie 10" missing :)
		New Wiring
		"Old but sounds good"
		
		$100/Pair
		
		Above items will not be shipped.  Looking for a buyer in the
			Long Island/NYC area.  Folks in Norway need not
			inquire... :)
			
		
	E-mail me at the address (re: Speakers) below or call (516) xxx-xxxx
		and ask for Chuck.

	Er, just email me.

-- 
Ken Morton					Breath of Fresh Air
kmorton@panix.com				 Music Production
NeXTmail happily accepted...		"Good Tea, Nice House." - Worf

Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar
From: kew@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (steve.w.askew)
Subject: Re: What's happening with Fender amps?!
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Summary: Fender and the value you get for a buck!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:07:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.162558.25722@intelhf.hf.intel.com>, dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com (David Covell) writes:
> 
	Some stuff deleted about checking out Fender guitars and amps




>                                  Three amps is a pretty good sampling, and
> they all sounded very bad. I know Fender is still capable of building good
> amps, since their reissue vintage Twin sounds very close to the original, but
> I have to wonder about the capability of their design engineers. Either they
> are cutting corners to keep prices down (and their prices are still too high)
> or they just can't build a decent solid-state guitar amp. I'm sure I could
> find a Peavey that sounded better, and at a much lower price. I think Fender
> is in danger of losing out on the amp market (except for their tube reissues,
> perhaps) if they don't improve. Either that, or the onboard chorus and
> distortion are really great (I doubt it!).
	
	I Think Fender has gotten to the point were they think to much of
	themselves. Most of their products are overpriced. Why should a
	guitar that Fender has been building since 1953 cost 1300.00.
	Its seems to me the only cost reduction method fender has ever used
	is to build them in another country. When you compare the price
	of a Standard Strat to a Strat ultra, the Ultra is twice the price.
	But Ill bet it only cost Fender about 20.00 to turn a Standard into
	a Ultra

	Leo Fender was able to stay in business because he could build and
	sell quality guitars cheaper than Gibson. Im sure Fender owns all
	those computer controlled production machines that are suppose to
	reduce the production costs. This weekend I looked at a Jap strat
	hanging right next to a american. These 2 guitars were equipted
	exactly the same. The Jap was every bit the guitar the amarican
	was.

	Now Im not Pro-Japanese by any measure. I believe that when their
	Prime minster gets up and calls us lazy and stupid we should politely
	smile and bow and then starve the bastards out.

	The point Im tring to make is that Fender better get there Shit together
	and Stop believing that people are gonna buy any piece shit sounding amp
	they make just because it says Fender .I have to admitt I own a couple
	of their amps.  But for me Fenders status as "the" company has fallen
	a long way.


	Steve
	Doin That Blues ThAng!
From: David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: A personal experience
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:54:02 GMT
 <1992Jul28.224331.17343@tellab5.tellabs.com>  
 <1992Jul29.173734.7463@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Jul29.173734.7463@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
defrain@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Paul D. DeFrain -- aka master guru) writes:

> the hair will grow on it's own accord if one so desires

Lots of people wish that was still the case. ;-)

David
david.t.greenfield@dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Subject: Re: noise abatement shuts down Tesla
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 01:19:24 GMT

scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
: grego@bit.UUCP (Greg Sanguinetti) writes:
: 
: >Well over there in Salem Oregon, USA, the city fathers decided, 2 hours
: >before their concert was to begin, that the band Tesla must comply to a
: >noise abatement ruling. The ruling restricts noise levels to 95dB.
: >Now as anybody who has been reading this group in last few months knows
: >it is pretty hard to run a rock concert at (much less below) 95dB.
: >Tesla's monitor system alone failed the check.
: 
: The city fathers had best be careful.  Most symphony orchestras can do
: much better than 95db.

Does anybody know the details of the measurement?  Most of these kinds
of laws state that it can't be above XX db at a certain location or
distance.  You're right - a symphony orchestra can probably do
well over 100 db in the fifth row, but probably not six blocks away.
Everybody can forgive my math, but decibels are a logarithmic power
scale - i.e., the decibel rating tails off logarithmicaly as you
get farther away.

Clark County/Vancouver, Washington has a similar problem at the
Clark County Fairgrounds, but they have another problem - at a show
I went to a couple of years ago, the trucks on I-5 (about half a mile away)
were over the limit with the PA off - there was no way to meet the
standard.  I went to another concert a year later at the same place,
and it was plenty loud, so they must have changed the law.

: -- 
: "There's a very fine line  between a groove and a rut.
:  Fine line between eccentrics and people who are just plain nuts."
: 	-- Christine Lavin, "Prisoners Of Their Hairdos"

Bob Taylor
HP Vancouver
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.bluenote
From: anton@HQ.Ileaf.COM (steve norton)
Subject: Re: Berkeley
Keywords: Berklee
Reply-To: anton@HQ.Ileaf.COM (steve norton)
Organization: interleaf, inc. waltham, ma, usa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:10:58 GMT

In some article, grego@bit.UUCP (Grego Sanguinetti) writes:
> 
> The name, by the way, is a concatonation of the two founders names
> Berk and Lee. One is a musician and the other a lawyer. 

> -grego

nope.  berklee was founded in the (i believe) late fifties (maybe
early sixties).  it grew out of the Shillinger House, a music school
started by composer/theoretician Joseph (?) Shillinger.  (Steve Lacy
is a prominent alum.)  it was founded by Lawrence Berk, who named the
school after his new son, Lee Eliot Berk (BerkLee), who is the current
president.
-- 

/steve