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From: SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET (Steve W Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: LDs with stupendous supplement
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:49:08 GMT
Organization: William Rainey Harper College; Palatine, IL  60067

In article <t4n3_=r@rpi.edu>, kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim) says:
>
>Laserdisc with [perhaps] the most complete supplement is The
>Criterion Collection's Raging Bull.  This 3 CAV-disc set not only
>
>Other title with great supplement is The Criterion Collection's
>North by Northwest (CAV).  While it doesn't have 2nd analog track

To these I'd add Criterion's "The Adventures of Baron Munchausen".
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From: jackh@rice.edu (Jack W. Howarth)
Subject: Re: Question about I, Claudius
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 00:03:06 GMT

kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman) writes:

>In article <hal.87.727454600@radio.wkar.msu.edu> hal@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Hal Prentice) writes:
>>I have the LD I, Claudius and it is the uncut version.  All the decadence, 
>>mayhem, and other goodies are intact.

>I am sorry, but you're wrong. Here's one way to tell. After Caligula kills his
>sister, he walks out of the room, Claudius looks in, and (in the uncut version)
>the door swings open and you get a quit look of her hanging there. On the LD,
>the scene fades out after Claudius looks in.

>Michael


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>  @eecs.nwu.edu | the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be
>                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty 
  I could be wrong but wasn't it shown with that scene complete the first time
PBS aired it? I seem to recall seeing it with his sister's body being shown.
                   Jack

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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Alien 3 disc flaws
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:44:30 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1993Jan24.205038.8092@uhura.neoucom.edu> wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce) writes:
<In article <86583@ut-emx.uucp> copold@panam.edu (Steve Copold) writes:
<>In article <4792@vidiot.UUCP> Vidiot, brown@vidiot.UUCP writes:
<>>
<>>I just rented the Alien 3 laserdisc and as previously reported the
<>quality of
<>>the disc is crap.  What wasn't reported was the quality of the equipment
<>used
<>>for the transfer.  There is video cross-talk from another source, which
<>can be
<>>seen during throughout the first side.  I don't know about the second
<>side,
<>>since it hasn't gotten there yet (it is still playing the first side). 
<>To
<>>see the crosstalk the best, start the disc and STILL it right away.  Step
<>>through the disc and you will see the diagonal lines rotating through the
<>>video.  This is a result of another video source leaking into the Alien 3
<>>video, at a rate that is drastically different.
<
<I can see VERY faint horizontal light streaks in dark areas.  I have seen
<discs with far worse streaks (crosstalk?).  Nothing diagonal though.

Those streaks are the VBI (Vertical Blanking Interval) of the crosstalk video.

<>>The other problem is non-linearity in the TBC that was used.  Look at the
<>>black bands during the opening credits, when the video image is dark,
<>making
<>>it easier to see the bands.  Notice the vertical lines of various black
<>>levels.  This is caused by non-linearity of the D-to-A converter in the
<>TBC.
<
<The "bands" I see are the above mentioned horizontal ones.  I don't under-
<stand what flaw you are talking about

Watch for faint lines running through the picture at a diagonal angle.  These
lines are the horizontal sync pulses of the crosstalk signal.
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From: kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim)
Subject: LD: The Right Stuff
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:06:01 GMT

Warner Bros. finally delivers with the newly mastered, letterboxed 
(I believe it's an original aspect ratio) version of The Right 
Stuff.  Compared to the panned & scanned version, this version really 
kicks -- complete with digital sound!

The Right Stuff
- CLV, letterboxed, digital surround sound, $40
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From: jhansen@convex.com (James Hansen)
Subject: Re: HDTV LaserDiscs (was Re: ***** THX Star Wars/Abyss LASER DISCS)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:14:42 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <C1Hz28.FHJ@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> flowerpt@coos.dartmouth.edu (Bill McGonigle) writes:

>Seeing as how the HDTV standard will be decided soon, and how blue-laser
>technology is working (at least in R&D), I'll bet on Blue Laser HDTV LD's
>becoming popular.  I've heard that you can fit 4X the info on a blue disc,
>so you could fit an entire HDTV 2:40 movie on one disc.  Wow!

If there's any truth to the fact that only 20 minutes of HDTV material
can fit on a disc employing current technology, then you'll only be able
to squeeze 80 minutes per side on a disc/player utilizing a blue laser.

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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases,rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ***** THX Star Wars/Abyss LASER DISCS COMING!!! *****
Date: 26 Jan 1993 01:48:06 GMT
Organization: Mr. Lazlo's Temple Of The Mighty Rude-Boy Skank
NNTP-Posting-Host: triton.unm.edu

daz@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Primm) writes:

> I thought that The Abyss was ALL CAV, not CLV. Has this now been changed?

It appears to have been.  (Not that I'll miss the five or six side changes
that a CAV pressing of Cameron's three-or-more-hour-long recut would have
required.)

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From: wyman@rtsg.mot.com (Mark S. Wyman)
Subject: Re: ***** THX Star Wars/Abyss LASER DISCS COMING!!! *****
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:57:54 GMT

hagerman@ece.cmu.edu (John Hagerman) writes:

>I'm curious why this is so exciting.  Current laser disks still hold
>525 line images, right?  And letterboxing reduces the resolution.  I
>believe the quality is better than tape, but still: it seems like it
>would be better to just wait a couple of years for HDTV.  That image
>will blow away anything you can buy available today.

More than a couple years for a reasonably priced unit.  Still, the
need is there. Too bad that by the time HDTV is a standard it will 
be old technology.
From: x92hussain@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: SNOW WHITE's Missing!!
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:42:23 EST
Summary: Hi Ho, Hi Ho
Reply-To: x92chan3@gw.wmich.edu
Keywords: Snow White
Distribution: world
Organization: Western Michigan University

I was wondering if Disney's Snow White and the Seven Dwarves was ever released
on video. I've seen almost all the other animated movies available on video
but apparently, Snow white wasn't released. Can anyone confrim this?

Personal email preferred and I'll summarize replies.

Chan Lee Meng
x92chan3@gw.wmich.edu
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From: simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson)
Subject: Re: Why is "Tron" so hard to find?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:45:07 GMT

In article <1k3q71INNaaa@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> bengt@fires1.uucp (Bengt A. Palsson) writes:
>Tron has been fed via satellite a number of times in the past weeks. I don't
>know who feeds it (Disney ?) and for whom the feed is intended. I have never
>caught the beginning of the movie to find out more details. Seems like
>someone is trying to generate renewed interest in it before (if) it is 
>re-released on video. The feed is a "full black" version (i.e. black screens
>where the local affiliate inserts their commercials).
>-- 
>Bengt A. Palsson                         | "There is something out there,

"Tron" has been shown on WSBK and WGN about four times in the last four weeks.

This may be for whom the feed was intended.

Just in case anyone cares,
Me
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases,rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ***** THX Star Wars/Abyss LASER DISCS COMING!!! *****
Date: 25 Jan 93 07:23:23
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Distribution: usa
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In-reply-to: hagerman@ece.cmu.edu's message of Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:34:22 GMT

>>>>> On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:34:22 GMT, hagerman@ece.cmu.edu (John Hagerman) said:

hagerman> I'm curious why this is so exciting.  Current laser disks
hagerman> still hold 525 line images, right?  

Nope. An LD does 425 scan lines. LBX does reduce it, but it's still
better resolution than VHS, SVHS, or brodcasted material...

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From: rehrauer@apollo.hp.com (Steve Rehrauer)
Subject: Re: HDTV LaserDiscs (was Re: ***** THX Star Wars/Abyss LASER DISCS)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:44:29 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <C1Hz28.FHJ@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> flowerpt@coos.dartmouth.edu (Bill McGonigle) writes:
>Seeing as how the HDTV standard will be decided soon, and how blue-laser
>technology is working (at least in R&D), I'll bet on Blue Laser HDTV LD's
>becoming popular.  I've heard that you can fit 4X the info on a blue disc,
>so you could fit an entire HDTV 2:40 movie on one disc.  Wow!

EE TIMES ran an article on blue laser progress a few weeks back.  From
memory, the current "true blue" sources in various labs are running at
very cold temperatures, and low outputs.  Didn't sound like anything you
could expect to see soon at your friendly neighborhood Giganto 'Lectronics
Outlet.

Personally, I'm worried that lossy compression techniques with "VHS-like
quality" (CD-I Movie, anyone?) will gain a toehold before the raw capacity
of cheap consumer media has a chance to rise to the levels required of HDTV
(in whatever incarnation).  I've heard the CD-I droids pitching product at
the local Sears, and they are all but promising to have movies-on-a-CD in
a few years.

Regardless of what really happens, people are thrilled to contemplate the
small size, faster random access, and perceived immortality of a CD-based
video format; image quality is promised to be "as good as VHS", and no one
ever (in my experience) questions why the quality can't be better as well.
It's just not an issue.  HDTV will be a very hard sell in the U.S., I think,
if it doesn't offer substantial quality improvements at essentially the same
price as NTSC.  (I don't mean to sound a techno-snob, but still: Sigh.)
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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: LD cleaning and alignment was Re: Caveat Emptor :-)
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:52:22 GMT

In article <1jqcajINNke7@umbc4.umbc.edu> klr@umbc.edu (Kurt Reisler) writes:
[relates tracking problems on the outer portion of a couple of discs
on a Sony MDP 333]

>Guess what?  Both disks play PERFECTLY now.  It seems that there was a
>thin film of either grease or oil on the outer inch or so of each disk
>(which was why I asked the other day about how a disk tracks).  Washing
>them off removed it, and cleared up the problem.

If a new disc (new to me, even if used) shows unusual noise streaks or
tracking problems, the first thing I do is look at the surface (data
side, opposite label side) for any flecks of dirt or glue.  Those can
be dusted off.  More difficult dirt can be removed with tissue and
isopropyl alcohol.  Gentle washing with a mild detergent is also 
good.  Always be careful not to scratch the surface.  Making radial
strokes so as to not scratch parallel to the tracks is recommended.

>It does raise the question of why the high end Panasonic was able to
>track through the goo.  Guess it must have better error correction
>firmware.

Another possibility.  Your player may be aligned within tolerance but
is near the extreme limit of that tolerance.  The offending discs might
be within tolerance but at the other extreme.  The film of grease may
just be enough to push them to mutual incompatibility.  I once had
a LD player (Pioneer CLD-3070) which, after a visit to a service shop
for a burned out motor came back with a 'slightly-out-of-alignment'
problem.  Some discs had tracking problems (always near the outer edge)
while most did not.  The offending discs would play on other players
but not on mine.  The shop was never able to get the alignment right
so Pioneer eventually replaced the unit (under warranty).



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From: bseymour@encore.com (Burch Seymour)
Subject: Re: compleat tex avery #1
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:27:14 GMT

"eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com> writes:

>OT>eric.walker@channel1.com writes that the Compleat Tex Avery set is
>OT>expensive.  I'm sure it's been mentioned here before, but I couldn't
>OT>find it, so I'll ask: how expensive, exactly?

>It costs $100 for a set of five CLV discs.  There's a small four-page
>supplement, too, but that's a throwaway item.  (But don't throw it
>away!)
>---

If you're in the USA call Ken Crane 1-800-624-3078. They are having a
25% of all MGM titles with free UPS 2nd day air until 1/31/93.
I got Tex Avery for $75 plus 1.50 handling.

-bs-
From: rmf@bpdsun1.uucp (Rob Finley)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: HDTV LaserDiscs (was Re: ***** THX Star Wars/Abyss LASER DISCS)
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:44:36 GMT
Organization: Harris Allied Broadcast Div., Quincy, IL

In article <downs.76.728017266@helios.nevada.edu> downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs) writes:
>Personally, I keep hoping that some enterprising (big) manufacturer of video 
>equipment is going to stop waiting for the broadcasting industry to finish 
>their sabotage job on HDTV and simply set an HDTV laserdisk standard on 
>their own. Except for STNG & DS9 there's nothing on broadcast TV to watch in 
>any case (IMHO!). Considering that many current large-screen monitors have a 
>rated resolution of 700+ lines or more as it is, it _could_ be a gold mine
>(or a disaster, to be sure) for whoever is willing to risk it.


I understand your feelings on the NHK Muse system.  
The Muse system provides remarkable quality.

However, I do encourage you to attend the next Broadcaster's NAB convention
as you just might be suprised to see that not only is the future US standard
going to get you the same picture quality (according to the eyeballs of
98% of all human beings on this planet) but will be easily and economically
distributable.  What they are taking out, we won't easily miss.

Equally amazing is what is available now.  Check out Video Magazine, June 1992.
They show the GI-Digicipher HDTV system demo created for NAB.  It consists
of a working 8mm VCR that they co-developed with Toshiba along with
broadcasting over established Microwave and VHF systems.
Because of real-time video compression, DigiCipher was able to fit TWO HOURS
of HDTV programming into the 8mm standard mechanical format.  

I am not going to go into details like the inevitable adoption of
the Dolby AC-3 system that will get you 5.2 DISCREET channels of DIGITAL audio.

All of this is going to fit inside one US TV channel (6.1mhz).


The US standard is going to be distributable over present terrestrial 
broadcast systems.  Equally important is the investment in C-Band sattelite 
distribution systems.  Would kindof be a nightmare if all of a 
sudden, Billions of dollars worth of sattelite systems had to be replaced.
Other spinoffs from this research is video compression systems being
developed by Zenith/HDTV which are able to send multiple video signals on
one bird transponder.

Visit the nearest rec.video archive and check out the subject.  I have
elaborated before.

Network programming blues?   Get pay channels.
I would be more inclined to add to the HDTV population if pay channels
were in HDTV.

Robert
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From: andre@cix.compulink.co.uk (Cygnus Software Ltd)
Subject: Re: Jaws/Blues Brothers CAV
Reply-To: andre@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:37:00 +0000

 WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote:
>About a billion years ago, when I bought my Pioneer LD-660, I also bought a
>Disco-Vision CAV copy of "The Blues Brothers."  I have never seen another CAV
>verion on this film anywhere.

>Both are excellent films and worthwhile in CAV mode.

Ah, that's what was in my local shop, then. They'd got "Disco-Vision" on the
cover, but I'd not come across that publisher before. I guess that means
they're too old to still be even listed as out-of-print discs, which is
why I couldn't find any details.

I wasn't thinking either buying either of them, anyway - is anyone else
interested?

Andre

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From: EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu (Young Indy)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Close Encounters in Col. House?
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:43:58 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


    Does anyone know if Close Encounters of the Third Kind is in the Columbia
House LD Club in LBX format? I have just recently revoked my membership and am
planning on joining up again, but I have left a large amount of my catalogs at
home, and of course as of right now, I'm at school.
    I'd like to achieve it via one of my free selections, if possible, but if
not, oh well. There's always S&S. Thanks.

                                     -Ed

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From: hagerman@ece.cmu.edu (John Hagerman)
Subject: Re: ***** THX Star Wars/Abyss LASER DISCS COMING!!! *****
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:34:22 GMT

I'm curious why this is so exciting.  Current laser disks still hold
525 line images, right?  And letterboxing reduces the resolution.  I
believe the quality is better than tape, but still: it seems like it
would be better to just wait a couple of years for HDTV.  That image
will blow away anything you can buy available today.

- John
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From: andre@cix.compulink.co.uk (Cygnus Software Ltd)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Jaws/Blues Brothers CAV
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:42:00 GMT
Reply-To: andre@cix.compulink.co.uk

A local store which specialises in rare records and CDs recently started
selling laserdiscs. They've not only been getting new releases, but also some
older titles and second-hand discs. So, what can anyone tell me about 3-disc
boxed CAV sets of Jaws and The Blues Brothers (NTSC)? They have one set of
Jaws, and two of the Blue Brothers (one of which is still sealed). I've never
seen any mention of them in any of my catalogues - are they just deleted
titles, and if so are they collectible and/or is anyone interested in them?

Andre

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From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Caveat Emptor : -)
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:00:17 GMT

In article <1jqcajINNke7@umbc4.umbc.edu> klr@umbc.edu (Kurt Reisler) writes:
>
>You may recall that back in November of 1992, I was asking if anyone
>else had run into a "defective" copy of "Batman Returns".

>It does raise the question of why the high end Panasonic was able to
>track through the goo.  Guess it must have better error correction
>firmware.

Some machines track better than others.  I have an older unit,
a Pioneer 8210 (industrial unit with gas laser) that would
track anything.   Some (unscrupulous) video stores used to use
those to play a disk when a customer returned it.   Played fine
at the store so they wouldn't exchange the disk.

To give you an idea of how good it was - a brief story.

I lent a disk to a friend of mine (this is about 5 years ago).
I assumed he wanted to watch it.  But NO!!! He taped it.  And
he had an older tube unit.  He put it on record and left.

When he came back a few hours later, the disk was still
rotating.  And the machine was hot, and the disk dropped.  The
outer circumference was scratched and the last 3 or 4 minutes
of the disk would not play on his machine.  It played on the
8210.   It had noise on a later machine I owned, so I polished
out the scratch.   Now there are just a few noise lines during
closing credits.    

I was po'ed to the say the least.


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