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From: sherw@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gregory Sherwin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Replacements
Date: 17 Dec 1992 02:40:33 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <1gofk4INN2n1@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> murtaugh@stat.orst.edu writes:
>>My favorite is Don't Tell a Soul. There's not a weak song on it.
>
>I agree with this.  I was bummed to hear Chris Mars say it was their 
>weakest album ("That wasn't the Replacements making that record...").  
>Even some of my favorite artists have shitty taste!
>
_Don't Tell A Soul_ is a highly polished album compared to their previous
ones - well all of them actually.  If I was forced to pick an all-around
favorite album anywhere (not just the 'Mats), it would probably be _Pleased To
Meet Me_.  Seeing that _Don't Tell A Soul_ followed it, it was somewhat of an
adjustment for me to get used to - but I still think it is a good album (though
among their weakest).

The 'Mats are an interesting case - because they did take the dare to do 
something a little different ("will I crack up in the sun, or lose it in
the shade?") as time went on.  As Tommy Stinson said - Westerberg could
have written another _Pleased To Meet Me_, which surely wouldn't have been
a bad thing.  But aside of fans who would yell "sell-out" or would get
upset if they didn't try to always appeal to their own pocket group of
long-time fans, Westerberg matured and his material reflected it.  That's
not to say that I wouldn't love for another _Let It Be_-type album in my
'Mats collection (who wouldn't?), but I think there is a need for change in
music from time to time and artists should be allowed to mature.  I will
probably get some flames for all eternity for saying this, but I look at
pop artists like Eric Clapton who are worshipped by so many, and yet I only
hear someone who stylistically recycles his own material over and over again
- there is nothing he has written since 1974 that I couldn't picture on an
album of his before then.  He bores me.  Then you take artists like the
Grateful Dead who had little talent to begin with (IMO), and after 20 some
years of the same fodder I go from feeling boredom to pity.

If the Beatles had recorded and rerecorded songs like "I Want To Hold Your
Hand" over and over again, they would have just blended in with all the
other 60's bands like Herman's Hermits or the Beau Brummels.  Instead, by
not following the same formula, like it or not they greatly influenced
rock music.

The point of all this is that I know of a lot of Mats fans who felt let down
by them by _Don't Tell A Soul_ and other albums, but I think Westerberg
deserves credit for not letting the Mats become a parody of themselves
and trying something different, even if it may not have been their greatest
stuff.  Everybody deserves a chance to mature - even if it comes out lousy
and deserves our worst critical condemnation (which _DTAS_ doesn't btw).

greg
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From: sheph@wam.umd.edu (pale blue eyes)
Subject: Re: Stipe-guesting
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:18:37 GMT

In article <Bz41En.6IE@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> prokopy@sage.cc.purdue.edu (dave) writes:
>this was actually all of r.e.m., with bragg (and robyn hitchcock?  help
>me, steph!), done at a live show in england a few years back.  very funny.
>available on a limited edition cd single (forget which one.  help me
>again, steph!), and on a compilation album of various versions of "tom's
>diner."

okay, dave, let's see what i can do to help!  yes, indeedy, robyn
hitchcock (aka "violet") participated in the bingo hand job shows along
with the boys of r.e.m. ("stinky," "raoul," "the doc," and "ophelia")
and billy bragg ("conrad") and peter holsapple ("spanish charlie")

and yes, dave, their version of "tom's diner" can be found on the limited
edition "near wild heaven" cd single.  very amusing version, just like
you said!

i hope i was of some help!



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From: dbyrne@unix1.tcd.ie (I'm the Hip-Priest)
Subject: Re: Songs With Obnoxiously Long Titles
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 12:47:59 GMT


>In article <1992Dec10.183419.18866@midway.uchicago.edu> rons@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>	On my next radio show I am going to do a special Theme Show on
>>Songs With Obnoxiously Long Titles. Any help is appreciated. The
>>titles should be vaugely alternative or obscure rock, no jazz or
>>classical, although Henry Partch and Charile Mingus have some great
>>ones, and I have heard some really long contry song titles ("walk out
>>the door backwards so that i will think that you're walking in"?)
>>Post them to the net or email me at rons@midway.uchicago.edu.  Below
>>is a list of stuff I managed to find in my room:

 I just remembered the name of that ALICE DONUT song.....it's "The Son Of
A Disgruntled X-Postal Worker Reflects On His Life While Getting Stoned
In The Parking Lot Of A Winn Dixie Listening To Metallica", from the
album "The Untidy Suicides Of your Degenegate Children".

Also, by MERCURY REV there's "Sweet Oddysee Of A Cancer Cell To The
Center Of Yer Heart" and........"Continuous Trucks And Thunder Under
A Mother's Smile" from the album `Yerself is Steam'.


And......from HIS NAME IS ALIVE there's "There's Something Between Us
And He's Changing My Words" and....."Sitting Still Moving Still Staring
Outlooking".

DAN
From: joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Duran Duran
Date: 14 Dec 1992 10:54:17 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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I went to a concert saturday night sponsored by an LA radio station and
Duran Duran was the closing band.

They sounded great. Played their latest single "Ordinary World" and older
hits including a ballad form of "Hungry Like the Wolf".

Does the new album come out in January?

BTW...other artists that played were:

Toad the Wet Sprocket (great performance)

Cause and Effect (They were pretty bummed about the keyboard players death
	a few weeks ago...nevertheless they sounded great and were givin
	a standing ovation. BTW they said they WERE going back to the
	recording studio soon...)

EMF  (This was supposed to be an accoustic show....I wish he'd take that
	damn SOCK off his head!!!)

Susan Vega (Incredible....incredible....)

David Byrne (Incredible....incredible....)

The Soup Dragons (Incredible....incredible...)

The Violent Femmes (INCREDIBLE!!!! Great performance even if the guitarist
	never took the damn stogie out of his mouth....)

Soul Asylum (Another good one...)


If anyone from LA is reading this and went to the second night of the
Accoustic show...How was it??

-joshuali@usc.edu
From: nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: The Nephilim- anyone heard of this band?
Date: 10 Dec 92 21:27:30 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <morteng.723979845@fenris.dhhalden.no>, morteng@dhhalden.no (Morten Graesby) writes:
> I bought a CD by a band called The Nephilim the other day. 
> Great rock with some depressive and strange tunes in it. The singer
> has this whiskey- voice a'la T.Waits. 
> Has any of you *alternative* people out there any knowledge of this band?
> Please post or mail some info if you have any..
> 
> Cheers      
> Morten_, who should be studying for his exam, NOT reading NEWS [:/
> 
> |mor_gres@linnea.gih.no|
> |______________________|
Yes, I like them a lot(look at my username :-> ).  Anyway, they have 5 offical
albums.  They are Dawnrazor, The Nephilim, Elizium, Earth Inferno, and Laura.
And they have a single named Psychonaut.  This song is not on any album, except
the Japanese version of Elizium.  So get them before it is too late.
BTW, Earth Inferno is a live album.  Laura is their EP compilation.
If you want more information, check out alt.gothic.
Carl McCoy(the ex-singer of Nephilim) is doing his solo album.  Should be
coming out soon.

>
From: sad2@cec2.wustl.edu (Sean Aaron Dickman)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: That industrial compilation from long, long ago?
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:12:55 GMT
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO

Hello NetWorld:

	Just a question:  What happened to the "Mind and Body" double CD set
of industrial music that was to be produced about 6-8 months ago?  I will be
moving to NYC (actually Jersey, but who cares?) and I don't want to have this
wonderful compilation miss me; that is, if it hasn't already!

Thank ya much.

Sean Dickman  --  sad2@cec2.wustl.edu
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From: krady@maths.tcd.ie (Keith Brady)
Subject: Re: MiniDisc is here!
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:02:40 GMT

>Am I the only one who feels that things are fine how they are, or do most
>people want another way to listen to their music???

>I mean, I personally dont sit around saying, well, CD's & tapes are OK,
>but I wish they would come out with something NEW so I could spend LOTS
>of money upgrading!"

Personally, I sit around saying, "tapes sound shit and isn't it a bummer
that they keep sounding worse and worse, CD's and vinyl can't be recorded
on, how depressing, DCC isn't Random access and I know I hate tape
shuttling and DAT isn't supported [ I spell 'Music Companies' NSDAP ] but
I can't afford to buy my dream record deck (A Rega) never mind upgrade to
digital (even good CD) and over here in the Emerald Isle (emerald being an
interesting shade of reddish-brownish-grey) all digital recordings are
priced at about $15 a shot, 50% more than the other 2 formats and I can't
afford that, ever."

But that makes me an amazingly boring conversationalist so I don't have
any friends.

Just my tuppence-ha'penny (there's inflation for you).

Keith

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From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)
Subject: Re: Songs With Obnoxiously Long Titles
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 11:15:39 GMT

This isn't all that long, but a norwegian band called the Tracemen have a 
song called "Bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah".
I think that's a good one.


          /\           | I didn't say this.      | "When there's no 
        /    \         | My supervisor would     |  more room in hell,
      /        \       | kill me if i did.       |  the dead will     
    /    (<>)    \     |_________________________|  walk the earth."
  /                \   |Gunnar Horrigmo          |
/____________________\ |gunnarh@sofus.dhhalden.no| 

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From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp)
Subject: Re: jesus jones  2/ 2
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:48:28 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-15-92 22:45
Continued from previous message.

Raincoats.  I would suggest you try find anything by either of these 
bands.  I'd be interested as to what you think of them (I think both 
are really good).

And finally ... anybody have any information on Food Records?  Haven't 
heard much from them lately (maybe I'm out of touch).  Are they dead?

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:23:24 EST
From: <JAK146@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: erasure dates

Does anyone know the dates for the rest of Erasure Phantasmagoric tour?  I
have not seen an official listing of dates anywhere....  I saw them in NY
but would die to see them again..  they put on the greatest show!
jak146@psuvm.psu.edu    joshua klinman
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From: rob@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Rob Vaughn,302 Thurston Hall,50637,2730428)
Subject: Re: Big Chief
Originator: rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:09:41 GMT

> Anyone out there know what the boys in Big Chief are up to.  I just got the
> new 7" "Strange Notes".  Are they touring or working on a new album?

Barry and the boys tend to be a bit on the slow side, album-wise.  _Face_
on Sub Pop wasn't released that long ago so I'd expect that they've been
touring lately.  Could anyone tell me what label the "Strange Notes" 7" is
on?  Get Hip maybe?

Rob

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From: kill0012@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Freedom of Choice
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:18:39 GMT

	I just wanted to put in a good word for Tannis Roots Presents'
Freedom of Choice.  It consists of covers ranging from virtually
unrecognizable (Permanent Green Light's "Hero Worship") to surprisingly
faithful (Mudhoney's "Pump It Up" and Polvo's "Mexican Radio") of late 70s
- early 80s "New Wave Hits".  To further whet your appetites, here's
more:
	Sonic Youth, "Ca Plane Pour Moi"  (I thought it was ...plein?!)
	The Connells, "I Got You"
	Hypnolovewheel, "Antmusic"
	Big Dipper, "Homosapien" 
	Das Damen, "The Wait" (D'you mean he actually figured out the words?)
Buy it, buy it, buy it.  BTW, it's for a good cause; all proceeds
from this album are being donated to Planned Parenthood.

	Jenni
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: mwasson@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Michael Wasson)
Subject: Re: real "women's music".
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:13:02 GMT

>okay, i know the whole "why women's music is crap" thing has died down,
>but i find it very sad that no one was able to come up with any all/mostly
>female bands outside of L7 and babes in toyland. and someone dared to call

...I assumed we were avoiding a pointless flame war by everyone keeping mum
till he went away...

>music by women a "genre". fuck u. just because a band had members without
>dicks does not mean they sound anything like another female band. "men's
>music?" all male bands all sounding alike, oh, you'd never hear anyone say
>such a thing. okay, just some names for all you clueless types. most of
>these bands are not alternative, according to the stuff that's talked about
>on this list, but here you go. bikini kill, heavens to betsy, bratmobile,
>calamity jane, lunachicks, dickless, spitboy, tiger trap, chicken milk,
>cheesecake, tribe 8, fifth column, the list goes on. 

avengers ut shonen knife xmal deutschland scrawl phranc diamanda galas 
(just off the top of my head) and let us never forget, patti "I don't fuck 
much with the past but I fuck plenty with the future" smith 


>-christina 

Mike
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From: hexonxon@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mark Goldstein)
Subject: Re: What is "alternative"
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:14:12 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <Bz8H8C.Goq@ns1.nodak.edu> jhalvers@plains (Jon Halverson) writes:
>AMEN to the person who posted. I know people like that, they give me shit
>for listening to the Chili's. BTW Flea was on Ben Stiller tonight. The
>RHCPs are a fucking good band, I'm not a hardcore fan or anything, but
>Fruchante(sp?) was GOOD! I don't like Slovac's stuff as much however. I can't
>wait to see how Arik does in the studio. I saw them in the Cities on the
>Lolla tour. It really pissed me off to see people leaving because they
>were too mainstream. And even more so when people stayed just to hear
>Under the Bridge. It's still a good song, eventhough they play it on the
>radio. 

you can't blame people who form an identity with a band when the band gets
popular and they have to watch 14 year old girls getting teary-eyed when
the red hots play Under the Bridge. that really sucks. it makes you feel
like the red hots are no different from paula abdul. by the way i hate BSSM.
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: kdlayon@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Kristofer D Layon)
Subject: Re: U2's previous name
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:51:24 GMT

***
I think you might be mistaken.  Boy was the first album they cut under any
name, and I pretty sure U2 was their first and only name.
***
No, that is incorrect.  They first were called "The Hype".  This was two or 
three years before they recorded 'Boy', when they were just playing parties
and pubs in Dublin.

I am personally glad that they aren't The Hype anymore...sort of a silly name.
From: v462etnn@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (David L Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: New Order flexi disc
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <LANCER.92Dec14103453@lizardo.WPI.EDU>, lancer@lizardo.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett) writes...
>>>>>> "brian" == Brian hoffman <brian@nx39.mik.uky.edu> writes:
> 
>brian> I recently got a floppy record sort of thing which is supposedly by New  
>brian> Order.  I think it is the record that was given out at the Hacienda on  
>brian> Christmas some years ago.  I haven't had a chance to listen to it (since I  
>brian> don't have a record player), but I was wondering what was on it and how  
>brian> rare it is.
>brian> Thanks
>brian> -Brian
> 
>It is indeed New Order, given out for free at the Hacienda...
> 
>As for rarity:  I'll give you some $$ for it...  I've seen a few
>copies but no one wants to trade...
> 

According to various sources, only 4,400 were pressed.

David Anderson
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
From: nancyw@panix.com (Nancy Weiner)
Subject: Re: Strangeways
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:31:50 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <724725192.0@njackn.fidonet.org> Mark.Wagner@f99.n121.z1.fidonet.org (Mark Wagner) writes:

>Hi!

>Does anybody know if the Smiths/Morrissey newsletter called
>"Strangeways..." is still active?

>Mark wagner@macc.wisc.edu

> * OLX 2.2 * Metaphysics is impossible.

>a 

 yes it's still active.. you can get to it by using the
address smiths@langmuir.berkeley.edu   the request address is a bit different but I don't remeber it offhand. come join us there!...it's a good group. * Origin: NineJackNine (1:121/99)
From: bmacdona@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Subject: Re: The ultimate women's group (was Re: Why is women's music crap.)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Reply-To: bmacdona@ics.uci.edu (Brian K!z!K MacDonald)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:05:05 GMT

In article <Bz3unz.L7B@acsu.buffalo.edu> v22964qs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Mike Cluff) writes:
>Forget L7 - the greatest all woman group of all time, perhaps the greatest
>group of all time:
>
>		The Shaggs.

  It was about time someone mentioned these isolated legends!

   "My Pal Foot Foot" and "Halloween" prove that the Shaggs were
  totally riot grrl before the trend even started!

                                                          K!z!K
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Duran Duran
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:10:03 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <14DEC199219110283@zeus.tamu.edu> san7675@zeus.tamu.edu (STEPH) writes:
>joshuali@usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes...
>
>>Cause and Effect (They were pretty bummed about the keyboard players death
>>	a few weeks ago...nevertheless they sounded great and were givin
>>	a standing ovation. BTW they said they WERE going back to the
>>	recording studio soon...)
>
>The keyboard player died?  What happened?

There was a show back east somewhere....he had a severe athsma attack and
died. 



-joshuali@usc.edu
From: oliver@Software.Mitel.COM (Oliver Postlethwaite)
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Mr. Bungle/Mr. Zorn
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:53:03 GMT
Organization: Cosmic Monsters Inc.

>> Has Mr Bungle released anything other than the self-titled album?

Just 4 demos which may be hard to get right now. 

>I don't believe so.  I'm not very optimistic about them ever getting back 
>together, at least not with Vlad Drac (aka Mike Patton) at the mic.  He's 
>grooving on the whole Faith No More gig, I'm sure.

Why not? FNM were a lot hotter (popularity wise) with their last album and
Mike still managed to record and tour with Bungle. I know they're plaing
New Years' with Primus and they should have a home vid out maybe soon
(although I heard the same thing last year). Plus Mike's been with
Bungle since at least '85, way before FNM. A friend of mine talks
to bass player Trevor via the phone on occasion and the band is still
together.

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