HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: oxley@pdn.paradyne.com (Don Oxley)
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.religion.biblestudy moderated
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:32:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.153525.5163@pdn.paradyne.com> nelson@paradyne.com (Bill Nelson) writes:
>
>I agree with Randy Finder when he made the recommendation that the group
>be called "soc.religion.christian.biblestudy" rather than the original
>name.  This makes it clear that this group has already made the same
>assumptions as stated in the RFD.
>
>&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
>& Bill Nelson   & Alice: Cheshire Puss, Would you tell me, please, which &




I would also prefer the name to be soc.religion.christian.biblestudy rather
than originally proposed.


DonO

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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.culture.lang.bengali
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 09:16:41 GMT

Excellent idea.  perhaps this should be announced on rec.arts.poems where
Bengali poems in original and translation have appeared already.

I wish Ali H. relented and had proposed a soc.culture.lang.urdu when he
was organizing an Urdu language group.

In fact -- any takers out there for RFDing soc.culture.lang.urdu modeled
on this RFD?

				-- Marek

Xref: sparky news.groups:25449 news.misc:2138 news.software.readers:2785 news.sysadmin:1604
From: david@talgras.UUCP (David Hoopes)
Newsgroups: news.groups,news.misc,news.software.readers,news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: NetNews, a blueprint for survival
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:42:48 GMT
Reply-To: david@talgras.UUCP (David Hoopes)
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Tallgrass Technologies Inc.

In article <1is5qgINNbhl@rodan.UU.NET> rsalz@rodan.UU.NET (Rich Salz) writes:
>In <47e4wB4w164w@cellar.org> toad@cellar.org (Tony Shepps) writes:
>>have to ask: why hasn't this already happened?
>As others have pointed out, there are two major packages that do this
>already, and they have been available for >1 and >2 years.
>
>>Is it because the folks who write and maintain most of the news freeware
>>hang out at big, fully Internetted sites, and thus don't have to worry about
>>ugly UUCP connections for small tight-budget sites that have to maintain
>>their net status carefully?
>[Stuff deleted]
>More importantly, unless you live in such an environment, it is hard to
>really know what the right "solution" is.  If there are things that can be
>done to make life easier for small tight-budget sites, the answers (at
>least the first draft) will have to come from such places.
>

I am the administrator for a uucp leaf site.  We only recieve a very
limited feed.  I think that I am set up pretty much the way the 
guy who started this thread was sudjesting.  I just get what I (and 
the users on my system) want sent, and don't bother with the rest.

I think that the real reason this has not been automated, even though
tools are available to automate it, is that it's not a problem.  I 
don't need to change my sys entry (at uunet) very often.  Maybe 5 
times a year.  From my end, it is automated.  I send a mail message
to the postmaster of my feed, and my sys file gets changed.  It's 
not the small leaf sites that would benifit from the automation.  It's
that large feeder sites that have a large number of leaf sites.

No flame intended, just the point of view from someone out in the sticks
who dosn't have a problem with the way things work.





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From: chill@uceng.uc.edu (Charles Hill)
Subject: newgroup rec.waterski?
Keywords: Waterskiing, Barefooting, competition,newgroup, mail list
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:12:17 GMT

Anyone interested in waterskiing send me E-mail.

I'm looking for the FAQ on how to start a group

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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: RFD: reorganization of misc.jobs and similar groups
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 03:37:46 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1isp5dINNpc4@rodan.UU.NET> weinss@rpi.edu (Stephen Andrew Weinstein) writes:
>1. Rename misc.jobs.misc misc.jobs.discussion to cut down on postings there
>	that belong in misc.jobs.wanted or misc.jobs.offered.

In keeping with other groups, this should be .discuss.

>4. Create new hierarchy misc.jobs.local.* and move all regional job groups
>	(aus.jobs, ne.jobs, ba.jobs, ca.jobs, can.jobs, ont.jobs, etc., etc.)
>	under it (e.g. make ne.jobs into misc.jobs.ne).  This may make it 
>	easier for people planning to move to find jobs in their 
>	destination area.

This is a terrible idea.

I post jobs to ba.jobs when I have no desire to schedule remote interviews,
pay interviewing costs, or fund relocation.

>6. Replace bionet.jobs, comp.jobs, vmsnet.employment, biz.jobs.*, and 
>	similar groups, with misc.jobs.biology, misc.jobs.computer, 
>	misc.jobs.computer.VMS, misc.jobs.business.*, etc.

This is terrible too.  People generally list jobs within these hierarchies
when they wish to use the reading of the hierarchy as a pre-screening, to
find only the people who already show some interest and knowledge of the
subject areas.

Leave well enough alone.
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Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.config
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: Request for a new newsgroup
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: news
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:56:53 GMT

In article <VAGARWAL.93Jan11103014@dis9002.shearson.com> vagarwal@tardis.shearson.com writes:
>Hi,
>	I would like following news group 
>
>alumni.india.iit
>
>where we can post messages to ALUMNI of 5 IIT's. IIT stands for Indian Institute
>of Technology. There are such 5 institutes of national importance in India.
>This newsgroup would help in NETWORKING.
>
>Thank you very much.

Read the files about how you make a new newsgroup.  They just got reposted
to the entire news.* hierarchy today.  

1) you don't just ask for a group to be created.  You read the file and
   find out the steps you have to take.
2) news.groups is only for creation of groups in the comp, misc, news,
   rec, sci, soc, and talk hierarchies.  If you want an alt. group, trot
   over to alt.config.  Incidentally, the proposal for alt.alumni.iit came 
   up in alt.config some time back and it was pretty universally agreed 
   that there wasn't much need for the groups.  Try again if you want.
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.lang.ml
Date: 8 Jan 93 03:19:09 GMT
	<NICKEL.93Jan7185058@desaster.cs.tu-berlin.de>
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Juergen" == Juergen Nickelsen (nickel@cs.tu)

Juergen> I'd really like to see this group.

Agreed. The SML mailing list has existed for a long time now and has a
steady flow of traffic. I believe it has proven to be worthwhile and
here to stay. We have a clear case for a newsgroup.

/Lars
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Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.food.cooking
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.food.breadmachines
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 15:57:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.195232.2395@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.121351.16987@lloyd.Camex.COM> chrisi@lloyd.Camex.COM (Chris Ischay) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan9.025545.18936@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu
>>(Joel Furr) writes:
>>

[ lots of stuff deleted ]

>>You sound almost contemptuous.

>I *am* contemptuous.  What part of my post did you not understand?  These
>idiots show up in news.groups all the time.  They post a concept
>informally, we tell them to go through the formal process of getting the
>RFD posted to applicable newsgroups, they go on agreeing with each other
>about what a keen idea their concept is, and eventually the threads die
>out.  It's pathetic.  If you're going to waste news.groups' time by
>"informally discussing" something without ever saying "yes, yes, I know,
>I'm going to send in the formal RFD soon," then just don't bother.  It
>gets old.

OK - so the person who originally posted this discussion made a mistake
which is in the process of being corrected and the formal steps are being
taken, _and_ I understand where you're coming from, _but_ it's not the
original posters problem that so many people pick up on one comment and
run with it to get their 'say' in - _after_ seeing the crap that has been
spilling out in "news.groups" such as months of 'dave hayes', etc filling
up the net, please don't go after an innocent mistake in such a manner

now, hopefully, we can get back to the matters at hand, and continue on

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Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: talk.politics.usa.conservative (Was: Re: RFD: talk.politics.patriot)
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:32:27 GMT

Moi:
> >Not if they can't separate politics and religion, and there's no place for
> >religion in politics. 

In article <1993Jan8.014921.21652@cs.unca.edu> kepley@photon.phys.unca.edu (Brad Kepley) writes:
> >The Church (of which Christianity, "a fortunate accident," is one form,
> >but is not identical with the Idea of a Church itself)

Sounds to me like the Church, as described by Russel Kirk, itself has nothing
to do with religion. Religion is at the base, belief... and if any belief will
do what sort of Church is that?

It seems to me that what he's referring to is simply the social contract.
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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: dmhameli@uncc.edu (David Matthew Hamelink)
Subject: Re: Alternative Newsgroup Hierarchies, Part I
Reply-To: dmhameli@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:03:55 GMT



Newsgroups: news.groups
From: wangc@cpsc.UCalgary.ca (Carol Wang)
Subject: Re: RFD: reorganization of misc.jobs and similar groups
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: The University of Calgary
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:10:53 GMT

In article <1isp5dINNpc4@rodan.UU.NET> weinss@rpi.edu (Stephen Andrew Weinstein) writes:
   2. Create new group misc.jobs.nonpermanent or misc.jobs.shortterm for 
	   temporary, co-op, summer, internship, etc., positions.  
how about misc.jobs.seasonal or misc.jobs.apprentice?
   4. Create new hierarchy misc.jobs.local.* and move all regional job groups
	   (aus.jobs, ne.jobs, ba.jobs, ca.jobs, can.jobs, ont.jobs, etc., etc.)
	   under it (e.g. make ne.jobs into misc.jobs.ne).  This may make it 
	   easier for people planning to move to find jobs in their 
	   destination area.
while i understand the need for these types of groups, i would not
like to see things become too regional.  after all, for the mobile
single people like myself, if the job is not in the city i'm currently
living in, just about _any_ other location is the same.
   6. Replace bionet.jobs, comp.jobs, vmsnet.employment, biz.jobs.*, and 
	   similar groups, with misc.jobs.biology, misc.jobs.computer, 
	   misc.jobs.computer.VMS, misc.jobs.business.*, etc.
proposals 5 and 6 seem about the same, i like this idea.  especially
with healthy amounts of crosspostings from the regional groups.

carol
From: tony@cns.nyu.edu (Tony Movshon)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: sci.aeronautics moderation
Date: 9 Jan 93 19:30:28 GMT
Reply-To: tony@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University

As a recent subscriber to sci.aeronautics, I wholly agree with the suggestion
that the group become moderated -- I've been disappointed by the S/N ratio, and
this is a good way to start fixing it.

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From: styri@hal.nta.no (YuNoHoo)
Subject: Re: RFD: sci.crypt.research moderated
Reply-To: styri@nta.no
Organization: Norwegian Telecom Research
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 10:20:27 GMT

In article <1iftqfINN77o@rodan.UU.NET>, Thomas W. Strong, Jr. <strong+@cmu.edu>
writes:
> [...]
>
>  The moderation policy should be fairly non-restrictive.  (Postings will
>  not be rejected for not meeting academc standards, however redundant and
>  off-topic postings will be rejected.)

Sounds ok, but there may be another problem. Some countries seem to have
fairly strict laws concerning ...ahem... the export of information about
cryptography. This _may_ create a problem. A simple solution may be to have
two moderators living in different countries. It may be no problem at all,
because another simple solution would be to just post a note saying a very
interesting article were posted to the unmoderated `sci.crypt'.

---
Haakon Styri
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.asean
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:46:44 -0500 
From: Bertrand Lee <chameleon+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: RESULT: soc.culture.singapore passes 255:46

Does anyone out there know when the soc.culture.singapore newsgroup is
actually going to start up? I have not seen it yet.


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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: s4805016@mail.ncku.edu.tw (patrick)
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.culture.malaysia
Organization: National Cheng Kung University, Tainan, Taiwan
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:07:09 GMT

barrera@mtu.edu (Christopher Barrera) writes:
: I would like to call together a discussion for the creation of
: a new newgroup, tentatively called "soc.culture.malaysia"
: 
: The proposed group is unmoderated. That is, all who wish to join
: may freely do so.
: 
: Proposed CHARTER for the proposed group "soc.culture.malaysia" -
: 
:    The proposed group, soc.culture.malaysia, is intended for
:    the discussion of all topics pertaining to Malaysia, including
:    but not limited to: culture, national politics, foreign diplomacy,
:    economy, peoples, and land.
: 
: 
: Why I feel this newsgroup should be created -
: 
: 1) The current newsgroup in which most discussion of Malaysia
:    occurs is "soc.culture.asean". It seems that most of the
:    discussion in this group as a whole pertains to either
:    Malaysia or Singapore (which perhaps should have a group) 
:    rather than pertaining to ASEAN. This strongly hints that
:    a separate group should be created for discussion of Malaysia.
: 
: 2) Most of the larger countries in Southeast Asia are already represented
:    by newsgroups, including:
: 
:    soc.culture.filipino
:    soc.culture.thai
:    soc.culture.vietnamese
:    alt.culture.indonesia
: 
:    as well as others nearby -
: 
:    soc.culture.australia
:    soc.culture.bangladesh
:    soc.culture.china
:    soc.culture.hongkong
:    soc.culture.new-zealand 
: 
: 3) soc.culture.asean, as mentioned in #1 above, no longer has much
:    talk about ASEAN as a whole, suggesting the group is no longer
:    fulfilling its intended purpose. Perhaps it should be dissolved
:    or renamed with a new charter. Anyhow, it now seems an apropriate
:    time for soc.culture.malaysia to be created.

i agree too,this is the time to creat such newsgroup.
but i am curios that how to do it,and who will manage it.
can anyone tell me the way to do it ?


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Newsgroups: news.groups,sci.physics
From: siegman@EE.Stanford.EDU (Anthony E. Siegman)
Subject: Re: sci.physics.research: proposed panel of moderators
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 05:31:13 GMT

   The two or three successful moderated groups with which I'm
familiar seem to have fairly autocratic moderators.  Since (at least
as I understand the proposal) sci.physics will continue to exist
unmoderated, I hope the sci.physics.research moderators will be quite
stringent.  (I also hope that "What's New" will will appear in
sci.physics.research.)
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: comp.sys.ibm.pc and comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:49:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.


 In article <1993Jan6.172027.4967@rgb.com>, rick@rgb.com (Rick Davis) writes:
 > mark@drd.com (Resident.Alien) writes:
 > 
 > >I've gotten a couple of rmgroups for these groups from
 > >news@tacom-emh1.army.mil.  Are these legit or is news admin there not
 > >setting distribution rightly?
 > 
 > I also go them here.  They sure don't look legit to me, but how do
 > you tell?

They are legit insofar as they are trying to correct an existing
problem. Those groups no longer exist and the rmgroups are an attempt to
catch those sites that still carry them. 

You should make note of the following:

comp.sys.ibm.pc.programmer   has been changed to >> comp.os.msdos.programmer
comp.sys.ibm.pc   has been changed to >>>  comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc

If your news admin is still carrying the old groups then you should
advise him or her that there HAS been a change. 

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From: lenoil@catalogic.com (Robert Lenoil)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: sci.crypt.research moderated
Date: 9 Jan 93 08:32:58 GMT
Organization: Catalogic, Mountain View, California [Voice: 415-961-4649]

This topic has already been discussed quite a bit in this group, and I think
the consensus of opinion was for *not* moderating the new group. Also, several
alternative names were proposed that weren't as imposing as "research" - not
every cryptography practitioner is a "researcher". I forget those alternative
name suggestions, but how about "sci.crypt.technical" or ".theory?"
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: RFD: soc.religion.biblestudy moderated
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:19:27 GMT

In article <1iftqkINN77t@rodan.UU.NET> nelson@paradyne.com (Bill Nelson) writes:
>
>Approach:
>---------
>A Bible study is normally a book-by-book or topical study of 
>various portions of the Bible.  I would like to propose that the 
>members of the group decide upon what they would like to discuss 
>(say the book of "Job" for example), go off on their own and read 
>the portion(s) to be discussed, and bring their findings /
>interpretations back to the discussion.  Since particular "studies" 
>would inevitably go into extra innings, I would propose a time 
>limit on the discussion to be, say, one week.  At that time if 
>further discussion is desired, the group can either decide to 
>continue the discussion or take it to email.

I would think a mailing list would be more suited to this approach than
a newsgroup.  (This is not that different, for example, from a writer's
mailing list I'm on, where people submit stories for comment.  I find
the mailing list format much more convenient for this than a newsgroup.)

       The Rhealist - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
Newsgroups: news.groups,sci.physics,alt.fan.dale-bass
From: platt@watson.ibm.com (Daniel E. Platt)
Subject: Blair's rantings (was: Re: sci.physics.research: proposed panel of moderators
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:27:26 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <1ikqr1INNfs7@chnews.intel.com>, bhoughto@sedona.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
|> In article <craigen.57.726498270@ace.acadiau.ca> craigen@ace.acadiau.ca (DOUGLAS CRAIGEN) writes:
|> >   Why do you always claim that he is religious?
|> 
|> Because he believes God can exist and that's faith in God
|> and that's all it takes.

Most TV evangelists would not accept this as a definition of
faith in God since it is too broad.

Many more liberal theologians would likely profess a faith that
you would not recognize as believing in God, and they would 
consider most of this argument to be obtuse and irrelevent.

The level of argument concerning religion here seems to demonstrate
mostly that many people who regularly post here don't know a lot
about human religion.

|> A clue you deserve:
|> 
|> 1.  Fuck you.  This is a fucking conflict and I'll take any
|> fucking ground I want, you fucking moron.

This seems to reflect a lot more anger than the situation
demands.  Perhaps a psychological therapist could help sort
out the priorities.


|> 				--Blair
|> 				  "If you don't understand
|> 				   this, then how did you
|> 				   ever learn to read? and
|> 				   why can't my computer
|> 				   read even that poorly?"

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