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From: seth@inst-sun1.tmc.edu (Seth Chazanoff)
Subject: Re: Mezuza question
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA, USA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:31:56 GMT

Dima

	Re: How and where to put up a Mezuza.

	Thank-you for answering the Mezuza question.  My wife and I have also
bought a new home and I was going to ask in a couple of weeks (after escrow
closes).  I have another question though.  What are the rules for removing a
Mezuza when you sell a house?  Can the old Mezuza be moved to the new house?

			Thanks
			  Seth
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: The NYPD situation (was: Say it ain't so)
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:24:05 GMT

jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>>No, the acquittal of Nelson demonstrates that the jury didn't believe
>>that the prosecution testimony in this case proved beyond a reasonable
>>doubt that Nelson killed Rosenbaum.

>How they did so has outraged many people, not just friends of
>Yankel Rosenbaum and not just Jews.

I, for one, am glad that I did NOT sit on that jury bench.  Why?  Because
of the passions on both sides of the case and the incredible evidence which
had to be considered.  Being a test/applications engineer by trade, I have
to look at all angles when things don't work right so that I may best help
my customer.  I always run into problems of "Gee, did I consider every
alternative?"  The jury in this case really had to look at the evidence
presented to them and could NOT think about any evidence not formally
allowed into presentation.  Still, it would be an incredible help to all if
we ALL could listen to written testimony or, better yet, a tape of the
whole trial, to see and hear exactly what the jury did.  It seems that any
newspaper account I read of this trial I just can't trust to know if ALL
the news is being reported.  I'd much rather hear exactly what the jury
did.  This is both the good and the bad of our justice (such as it is)
system . . . that we can only consider what is presented to us, sorta'
like newspaper, TV and radio reporting.

allen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca (Aryk Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Entertaining suggestions for responses to "Merry Christmas"
Organization: University of Toronto - Office of the Provost
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:53:13 GMT


"Nice to hear that your god had a boy" usually works for me.

The Easter concomittant is less tasteful:

"Sorry to hear your god is dead." on Good Friday, and "Glad to hear
your god isn't dead anymore" on Easter Sunday.

WARNING:  Use these only with good friends.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Why I became an Athiest (was: frustrations with christianity)
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:56:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.214636.117@netcom.com> madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
>However, what I don't think you understand is that I did not quit
>and walk away at age 12, never to return.  I did quite a bit of
>research, into Judaism and other religions.  I met with a Chabod
>Rabbi when I was 24.  He gave me some books to read.  We talked.
>I was very clear then, and now, that this was *not* the life I 
>wanted to live, and that in no way devalues this choice for him
>or you or anyone else.  What I am wondering here is why you have
>trouble seeing that I could reach the conclusion I did, having
>full knowledge that others live differently, and choose not to
>live the same way.  Look at the amount of disagrement on s.c.j
>between the usual O/C/R debates!  Each is aware of the others,
>and each makes the decision for herself on the right way for
>herself.  How is what I have gone through any less valid?
   By way of introduction, your most recent responses are the first
time you've indicated a further Jewish education. All I could base
myself on was what you had written, as I of course don't know you.

   As another introductory remark, the idea you appeal to, valid
experience, differs from the usual use of the word valid on scj,
which is valid interpretation. I add this so as to try and make
clear that I'm not addressing this.

   As to valid experience, I don't agree, actually, that the uniform
experience in any Jewish approach allows one to make an informed
choice. I don't think you've lived different approaches (again, based
on what you've written, especially with respect to when you were 24.)

   Here's real hubris now, but I also don't consider the edges of the
spectrum to be the place to look. 

   As to your specific objections, concerning sexism etc. there
are many niches, even (perhaps most particularly) in the Orthodox
world. I won't say more, because I'm not trying to preach and because
my purpose is only to invite you to explore territory that I don't
think you've entered.
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: antisemitism in action
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:20:46 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <531@owl.ukc.ac.uk> dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner) writes:
>During the last seven days  12  palestinians  have  been  shot  dead  by
>Israeli  forces in Gaza and the West Bank.  This includes a ten year old
>girl, Rana Abu Tyour, shot while she went to get milk in a curfew break.
>She  bled  to  death  in  an  alley,  while  Israeli  soldiers with guns
>prevented anyone from going to help her.

A typical anti-Semite propaganda., based on hatered only.

>David Turner
>(A British Jew who does NOT support Israel)
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"Just a racist may say that just a gentile may be an anti-Semite "
                                                            M.Y. Self
From: rlk@underprize.think.com (Robert Krawitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Homosexuals should be allowed into the military
Date: 2 Jan 93 14:59:30
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge Mass., USA
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In-reply-to: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com's message of Sat, 2 Jan 1993 16:24:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.162452.10833@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:

   I don't believe that these "substitution" analogies prove anything.  I
   mean, I can take out "homosexual", "gay and lesbian", and "sexual
   orientation" and substitute "occasional cocaine users".  At that point,
   there is nothing discriminatory about it;  one potentially risky or 
   anti-social class of people was substituted for another, and the
   exclusion makes perfect sense.  As far as "denying rights", what's
   the denial-  you use cocaine, you're out; you dry out, you can join. 
   Just substitute "choice of sex partners" for "cocaine users".

This misses the point.  The ban is not on people who BEHAVE in a certain
way, it's on people who THINK (at most) a certain way.  That's why the
comparison with cocaine users doesn't wash.  One does not have to have
any sex partners to be kicked out of the military; one merely has to
feel an attraction to certain people to be kicked out.

(I won't bother taking issue with the "antisocial" remark, since we know
we disagree on it we'll never settle that here.)

   Actually the issues of gays in the military is probably only a subset
   of a bigger issue; specifically, sexual conduct in general.  Any
   policies on immoral sex (that is, sex outside of marriage) need to
   be uniform across all types of sex.  One man trying to "hit" on another
   is no more wrong that the Tailhook(?) convention assaults on female
   officers in Las Vegas about a year ago.

Well, good for you.  So why is that criterion not sufficient for the
armed forces?
--
ames >>>>>>>>>  |	Robert Krawitz <rlk@think.com>	245 First St.
bloom-beacon >  |think!rlk				Cambridge, MA  02142
harvard >>>>>>  .	Thinking Machines Corp.		(617)234-2116

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From: aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Geogaphical ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Date: 31 Dec 92 15:11:12 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep.
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Just to put things into there SCJ context I hereby add 
a (bad) diagram of The geographical land of Israel.
(NOT the brders of the state of Israel)


NOTE : no scale.
read:
1. Jorden riv.
2. Hermon mt.
3. Prat riv. (I think you call it the Uphratis).
X. Jerusalem.
D. Dameskus
A. Aman.
EA. EL-ARISH
E. EILAT


-------------------          ...\      ---> to mesopotamia
                  /       ...     \3
                 |    ....         ---
                 |....                 \
                 |                   .
                 |                 .
                 |               .
                 |             .
                 |     2  D  .
                 |     |    .
                 |     |   .
                 \    / \ .
               |`'    \ / .
               |       Y  .
               |      1|  .   --> desert
               |       |  .A
               |       |  .
               |    X / \..
              /       | | 
            /         |_/  
          /           .
        /             . 
 ------'             .
 |   . EA           . E
 |    .            .  /~|
 \     ...........   |  |
  O                  |  |
  |  Egept<--        |  |
   \                 |  |
     \               |  |
       \             | 
         \           |
           \        /
             \    /
              ---- 



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nadel@attatash.aero.org (Miriam Nadel)
Subject: Re: REAL Cheese?
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:20:05 GMT

In article <765338d8289520t210@witsend.uucp> "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com> writes:
>Another customer, who turned out to be
>a mashgiach, claimed that there was no such thing as REAL kosher
>cheese because of the rennet.
>
Actually, this is not the problem at all, as one can make real cheese, as
opposed to pasteurized cheese product, without rennet.  Kosher cheeses
are widely available in countries that eat real cheese - at least I had
no problem finding them in kosher stores in Belgium, the Netherlands,
Denmark and France.  They seem to be mostly made in Switzerland and the
Netherlands.

Note, thought, that rennet isn't the only halachic issue.

>Well, in the spring of 1989 the FDA approved rennet produced by
>bioengineered bacteria.  The writeups at the time claimed that it
>would replace the animal product because it was both cheaper and
>much more consistent in it's properties.
>
Actually the only type of cheese sold commonly that is made with rennet
from animal sources is emmenthaler (so called Swiss cheese).  The vast
majority of cheeses made in the U.S. are made with vegetable enzymes which
are much much cheaper.

>Well, I haven't seen much change.  Kraft fersher hasn't gone kosher,
>but I can understand that.  The continued dismal quality of kosher
>cheese is a little harder to understand, unless either:
>
>1) Nobody certifies the artificial rennet (why not?);
>2) There's no market for a change -- folks who keep kosher
>   are baby-ducked to the <stuff> they grew up with;
>3) I'm missing something altogether!

If Kraft is your standard for "real" cheese, you'd be disappointed
anyway :-)

I suspect most of the problem is the lack of a market.  You can get real
kosher cheese in smaller quantities, though, at high prices.  Generally
imported.  You just have to find the right stores.

Miriam Nadel
From: sutin@ra.UCSC.EDU (Brian Sutin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The Jewish nose myth
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:28:18 GMT
Organization: Lick Observatory UCSC
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In article <1992Dec21.064120.28118@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> EXTDSM@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MADDISON,David) writes:
>In <Dec11.231930.43105@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.lance.colostate.edu writes:

>"...the so-called Jewish nose is a figment of the anti-semitic imagination.
>Such shaped noses are more prevalent in other racial groups, notably native
>Americans. A US survey established that only 12 per cent of New York Jews
>posessed the "typical nose", which on the other hand was to be found in about
>80 per cent of American Indians."
>
>David Maddison

As everyone know, American Indians are one of the ten lost tribes.  QED.

Brian Sutin				sutin@lick.ucsc.edu
Lick Observatory, UCSC			Santa Cruz, CA 95064
    Fred:   "May I rescue you?"
    Ginger: "No, thank you.  I prefer being in distress."
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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:27:53 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1hi52cINNiqc@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:

>
>Here are some of the deportee names who were called "animals" and
>"garbage":
>
>1.  Dr. Abdel Aziz Al-Rantisee
>    A medical doctor and a famous Palestinian figure.
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>2.  Dr. Mahmood Zahar
>    A medical doctor and a president of the medical circle in
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>    the Islamic university at Gaza.

The above may be medical doctors, but still the titles "animals" and
"garbage" Salah used may be too mild . think about
 ...
 ...
DR.   JOSEPH MENGALE a medical doctor , experimental center at ...

He was a figure of the type Arab admired during WW2.
Shalom   gideon Ehrlich













































































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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 31 Dec 92 09:35:19 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <1992Dec30.083306.131@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>
>If you can't understand, comprehend or fathom why a physician should not belong
>to a terrorist organization, then I really feel sorry for you.

Back to the subject matter, the point initially was that there are
respectable people belonging to the Hamas.  What you consider
(understandably so from an Israeli point of view), to be a terrorist
organization is a fundamentally religious organization who will not be
bought or sold by anyone.  And that is why Israel was so eager to part
with the strongest and most influential among them as well as having
the "Peace Coordinators" try and denounce them as their enemies so as
to justify Israel's actions.  Clever.  But not too much.

What do you prescribe for your heart patients, btw?

Anisa
 
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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 1 Jan 93 08:14:07 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <isaac.725853315@etrog> isaac@etrog.se.citri.edu.au (Dr Isaac Balbin) writes:
>
>Guilt by MEMBERSHIP mate. Membership of a terrorist outfit is
>a crime. This is a violent group who hides behind the Koran.

Guilty enough to collectively punish half a thousand innocent
people (who have not been proven of any crime in a civil court)?
Is this 1934 - Nazi Style or 1984 - Thought Police Style?

No, infact they are proud to hold the Holy Quran very high ...
takbir!

Anisa

"Glad to see that we're debating with sensible fanatics here."
						Alan H. Stein

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From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Date: 30 Dec 92 08:33:06 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <1992Dec29.222358.3296@eng.umd.edu>, ziad@eng.umd.edu (Ziad K. Cheiban) writes:
> In article <1992Dec28.080143.126@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>>In article <Bzxnpq.Crq@newsflash.concordia.ca>, ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:
>>> In article <1992Dec26.212407.121@vms.huji.ac.il> backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>>>>>     A medical doctor and a president of the medical circle in
>>>>>     the Islamic university at Gaza.
>>>>
>>>>As a doctor, *I'm* appalled that there could be doctors who belong to Hamas
>>>>which as an organization has sworn itself to kill Jewish civilians, men, women
>>>>and children.
>>>
>>> Sorry but there are also doctors in the JDL, Temple faithful, and many other
>>> Jewish extremist organizations who advocate killing all Arabs or expelling
>>> them.
>>
>>Please name me ONE doctor in the JDL or Temple Faithful (NE'EMANEI HAR HABAYIT)
>>who advocate killing Arabs  and I'll *personally* see that they get booted out
>>immediately and unconditionally from the Israeli Medical Association.
>>
>>
>
> Sounds like fascism to me. You want to kick people out just because of their
> views. --or is it because they're bad for propaganda?--
> [...]
>

Instead of responding to my request to name ONE doctor in the JDL or Temple
Faithful who advocate killing Arabs, you get upset at my declaration of
willingness to immediately and unconditionally boot out ANY doctor (who you'd
name) from membership in the Israeli Medical Association. I infer from what you
say about "fascism" that you have no compunction about Arab doctors who would
belong to Hamas, an organization sworn to kill innocent Jewish civilians.

Interesting ....

If you can't understand, comprehend or fathom why a physician should not belong
to a terrorist organization, then I really feel sorry for you.

Dr. Josh Backon
Cardiology
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
From: engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean Philip Engelson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Cholov Yisrael
Date: 21 Dec 1992 10:19:46 -0500
Organization: Yale AI Mobile Robotics Project
Distribution: world
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In article <3088@israel.nysernet.org>, warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:
|> In <102216@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
|> 
|> >Ridiculous as it may seem, there are OU cholov stam cartons.
|> 
|> What does this supervision ensure?  Since the only ingredient in the
|> carton is milk, what is there to check other than the milk, and if the
|> milk is supervised, how is it not chalav yisrael?  I could understand
|> if it was chocolate milk and they checked the chocolate because milk
|> doesn't need supervision.

My question would be: For chalav yisrael, is yotse venichnas(*)
considered good enough?  If not, then perhaps this OU indicates yotse
venichnas supervision.

	-Shlomo-

(*) Literally "going out and coming in", which means intermittent
supervision, where a mashgiach is not there all the time, but comes in
and out (hence the term) at frequent random intervals.  This level of
supervision is usually enough for regular kashrut.
-- 
Sean Philip (Shlomo) Engelson		
Yale Department of Computer Science	
Box 2158 Yale Station			
New Haven, CT 06520
From: aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: VERED HAGALIL (was: Cholov Yisrael)
Date: 22 Dec 92 13:49:06 GMT
Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep.
NNTP-Posting-Host: irs01.cs.huji.ac.il

In article <3084@israel.nysernet.org>, warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:
|> How does any milk in Israel (e.g. a sack of milk from Tenuvah) fail to
|> be Chalav Yisrael?

The Tenuva milk bags are (ofcourse) all CALAV YISRAEL. I didn't found out,
yet, what is better in the blue-green bags from the reguler red-blue
bags, when I'll find out - I'll tell.
BUT in the chocolate they used to put milk-powder from CHU"L.


|> A more important question is when will they make a white chocolate bar
|> here that doesn't contain almond flavor?

there are 3 types of white chocolate here:
1. Reguler Elite (might have CHALV CHU"L powder) white cow - 100 gr. ~2.30 nis.
2. Elite 'Golf' bar (might too) - 75 gr , ~1.80 nis (?).
3. Vered Hagalil 'SHOKOLADA' bar (MEHDRIN = CHALV YISRAEL) - 100 gr. ~3.20 nis

I never felt the almond flaver in them. Maybe you talk about:
4. Elite mini-bar white chocolate with almonds - 50gr - ~1.20 nis.

|> /|/-\/-\          Adif tzav pinui metzav shmoneh.
|>  |__/__/_/
|>  |warren@         
|> / nysernet.org 

p.s. what about tzav girush, i mean harchaka ?
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/ Jerusalem,   Israel     |  jews should live !		then peace without it.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca (Aryk Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Jewish Christmas Carol Hits
Organization: University of Toronto - Office of the Provost
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 02:51:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.044101.11435@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene) writes:

>Anyone else remember "The Assimilated Jews' Christmas Album"
>(phoney) advertisement on Saturday Night Live a number of
>years ago?  It featured an actor imitating Henry Kissinger,
>hawking an album of hits such as:

>"I saw mommy kissing Judah Maccabee, under the Chanukah bush"

>"Joy to the world, our savior hasn't come.  But we are still a-waiting..."

>and other gems whose titles I've long since forgotten.

"Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
 Born is a great individual"

"I'm dreaming of a white yom tov"

	That one was especially great, because while the name of the song
	on the text that scrolled across the screen said "yom tov",
	the singers sang it as "yuntiff" in proper North American style.

It was such a good ad!  Ooh, I'm hurting myself laughing ...

Aryk
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