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From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: To those who read the LNH and can't get alt.comics.lnh
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:27:24 GMT
Organization: McGill University

I've recently finished the Generic Man (tm) Trade Etherback.  It
features the origin of Generic Man (tm), his battle with Mister
Nasty (tm), the introduction of Deja Dude, the Good Guys (tm) and
the Bad Guys (tm) and the Crosspost Caper.  ("Reprints" the Limited
Series and Generic Man (tm) #1-6.)

I've also written some LNH stories:

The Judas Handshake - a two parter that takes place before the
                      Electrocutioner's Song (apparently)
And Now the Good Guys (tm)
In Pursuit of the Net.Villains.

Finally, there's Generic Man (tm) #7-8.

The point is that *none* of these stories have been posted on
rec.arts.comics.misc and this is your chance to get them.  (I would
much prefer if you used the address below, thank you.)

Fine.  I've got one more thing to say: if you are the originator of
any of the following characters: Sidewinder, Super Apathy Lad,
Procrastination Boy, Bad Timing Boy, Irony Man or Doctor Stomper
could you please get in touch with me and give me any details as to
how these characters should be written (i.e. say if you were to write
them yourself).  Thanks!

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:21:34 -0500 
From: "Joe Nathan Haralson, II" <jh20+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
	<1992Dec17.142447.522@njitgw.njit.edu>

PAD's remarks on flaming have prompted me to throw my $0.02 into the pot.  
If I like a book and have beef with a particular issue or story line I
will write about it.  I might write and say so but you will never hear
from me again after that.  The reason being that I am not going to waste
my time reading the threads of titles I don't like, which means that I
am definitely not going to bother writing to them.

For example if someone wrote "I love everything Rob Liefeld has ever
done." it would be like sending invitations to a barbecue.  The nets
reaction is equivalent to poring a gallon of blood into a pool full of
sharks.  If you hate Rob why bother to read such a thread or even
justify it with a response?

Joe II
  

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu (Torsten Wesley Adair)
Subject: Re: Harlan Ellison
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 00:30:19 GMT

Detective Comics, early 1980's.  Noted on cover.

Demon With a Glass Hand, DC, graphic novel

Vic and Blood : A Boy and His Dog, graphic novel

Incredible Hulk, mid 1970's, noted in Overstreet

The Twilight Zone #1, Now Comics, "Crazy as a Soup Sandwich", deluxe edition
contains an additional text story.

Introduction to Fish Police collection.

Night and the Enemy, graphic novel


Torsten at Omaha	torsten@cwis.unomaha.edu
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 13:06:15 EST
From: <AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Stan Lee

OK.  Here's a summary of what I've read so far about Stan Lee.
  He's the ultimate smoozer, big time!('He tries to fit in with college
students with 'in the groove',etc.') He sits on his butt in 'the west coast'
collecting all of his money that he doesn't deserve because he dind't create
Captain America,ie: he takes credit for everything that Marvel does, while the
real people are wiped out of the scene. Although Jim Shooter believes that
he deserves all of his money. He doesn't own Marvel, but he's got alot of
influence, and whatever he says goes.  But another person who's a Marvel
shareholder stated that Stan Lee owns a 5-15% (I think) share of Marvel.
Is he the biggest holder? Because if he is, wouldn't that make him the
'owner' of Marvel as you said?  Having the title of *owner* means
having the biggest share, doesn't it?(I'm an engineer.'Nuff said...ouch!..
 Which would mean that *Lee* he is ripping off Kirby and Ditko as
Miller stated when he said that *Marvel* is ripping them off. But he included
Lee's name which meant that maybe he doesn't know anything about corporate
America (who can blame him,sheesh!).  But the basic of what he was saying
is that Marvel likes to rip off those who make them rich.  Which seems to
be what I wrote about someone on the net saying that Stan Lee takes credit
for nothing that he does.(see above).Thus he is ripping off the desrving
people.
   So there you have it. It seems that the question of ownership of Marvel
is still shaky though.  There's alot of legal jargon in this word.  But if
somone can give us a good idea or definition of ownership then the answer
should come clear.
   Also, after reading all of this ripping off, and taking credit for nothing,
does it seem to you that maybe McFarlane is right about his Marvel bashing.
I used to be against his practice but now I'm beginning to wonder.....
Check six.
Paul
(The Great White North.'No sir, I can't write this exam 'cause I've been
snowblinded.)
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From: danl@next03wor.wam.umd.edu (Neurotic Bob)
Subject: Al Columbia(Re: Signal to Noise GN)
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:47:03 GMT

In article <1992Dec8.170918.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>  writes:
 
> One more brief note: Has anybody seen a Tundra GN drawn and written by  
Al
> something-or-other? The art is such a ripoff of McKean's that it's sick.
> 
> -pat
>  
Nope.  Ya missed the boat.  Al Columbia's work is a rip-off of Bill  
Sienkiewicz' style.  Whether or not Dave McKean rips off Billy S. is up to  
conjecture, although I think that the styles are disparate enough to say  
"no" to that.  As far as Al's work resembling Dave's...not really, IMO.

And anyways, even so, it is good to see "rip-off" artists of styles in the  
Sienkiewicz/McKean vein.  You know, something that uses an imaginative  
variation in ink strokes, not just little hatch marks out the wazzoo.  And  
well done fully painted art is always a welcome sight.

If only MORE artists would rip off these guys, my comics reading would be  
that much a happier time.  (But not too many rip-offs, because it is true  
what they say about too much of a good thing....)

		--Dan'L
From: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Shooter First, Ask Questions Later
Date: 13 Dec 1992 16:25:07 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bh929@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Palij)
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In a previous article, aw3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anatole Wilson) says:

>SCAVEN-CLAUS (probably not a real name) writes:
>
>>Well, he [Jim Shooter] also talked about submissions.  He garuntees
>(sp) that they will get
>>comments back to everyone who sends in a submission to them.  For writers, he
>>said he'll take subs. in any format (short stories, scripts, etc).  He
>wants to
>>see if they can write, writing comics can be taught later. 
>>Other names he mentioned that get back to submitters were the guys at
>>INNOVATION, and Mike Carlin over at DC.
>
>Does anybody have addresses to write to send submissions to these
>people, or how I can find these addresses? 

I too would appreciate it if I could get the addresses. Please
post or email me.  Thanks.

>Anatole Wilson                  "If anyone objects to anything I say,
>-----------------                I am prepared not only to retract it,
>                                 But to deny under oath that I ever said it
>                                 in the first place."     


-- 
Just this person's view of netlife.

======> mike palij ::  bh929@cleveland.freenet.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: billian@exchanger.ecn.purdue.edu (Mark W. Billian)
Subject: Re: DC AIDS PSAs
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:34:04 GMT

in Article 10017 :

>In the last several weeks, DC has done a number of one-page public
>service ads about AIDS featuring various DC heroes.  These have
>appeared in both DC comics and in other Time/Warner magazines (I first
>saw them in Entertainment Weekly)  So far I've seen:
>Robin and Alfred, as drawn by the Robin miniseries people,
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                   that would be Tome Lyle and Bob Smith

>John Stewart, as drawn by Pat Broderick,
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                          don't insult this man by giving him
                          credit for work by Joe Staton
                          While I enjoyed Joe's first run on GL
                          his most recent stuff is far to cartoony
                          for my tastes.
> 
>Flash--who drew this one??
>       Any others that I've missed?
>
>Also, the vertigo titles this month have a 6 page Gaiman/Mckean 
>"Death Talks About Life" giving more detail for the "mature readers"  
>specified on the cover.  Very well handled; I recommend reading it.
>[The cover of the book (in this case, Shade 32) mentions the special
>insert.]
>
>Hopefully, this will inform some people who miss other messages.
>I also hope that DC won't get in any trouble with "morality groups"
>for aiming such information at kids...
>-- 
>--------------->Elisabeth Anne Riba * lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu<---------------
>   Do not meddle in the affairs	    |  Usenet is like Tetris for people
>   of cats, for they are subtle     |  who still remember how to read.
>   and will piss on your computer.  |	  So many newsgroups, so little time...


By the way, I also think that these PSA have been well done and informative.

Mark B.
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From: roper@chinet.chi.il.us (Bill Roper)
Subject: Re: Annotated Stanley & His Monster #1
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
 
 
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:21:22 GMT

Actually, "Charles Ott" is a Chicago area SF fan, fellow member of
Moebius Theatre (with Phil and I in the dim past), and friend of
ours...
 
Chuck, fictitious?  Naw!
-- 
Bill Roper, roper@chinet.chi.il.us
From: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman, Superman, Everybody's talking about Superman ...
Date: 15 Dec 1992 14:14:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
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In a previous article, c60c-3gg@web-1a.berkeley.edu () says:

>
>A quick question about Superman 75, since I don't usually read DC much
>less keeping the current market info about it.
>
>Is it just the bagged collector's issue that's going rediculousely high
>in price or is someone out there trying to sell the newsstand issue
>above the cover price too?
>
>All these talks are unspecific and tend to get me confused (being in
>college does that to people).  After all, there are still a HORD of
>newstand issues at my comic store selling at cover price.
>
>							J.T.
>

Are you sure the newsstand issues are 1st prints?

Howard
-- 
Howard Shiau                       bc751@cleveland.freenet.edu
Cosyde Corporation
From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: How Many Mutants?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:43:41 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <1992Dec16.165213.2239@infodev.cam.ac.uk> mjl17@mbuc.bio.cam.ac.uk (Michael Lush) writes:
>
>	Does anyone have a rough idea of the frequency of latent mutants
>on marvel Earth.
>
>	I'm planing to run a Marvel Superheros game in which someone 
>trys to give every latent mutant in the world uncontrolled Class 3000 
>(ie Celestial class) powers,  as part of a plot to become an 
>Elder of the Universe,  (well one of the rules appears to be you must 
>be the last suvivor of your race....  are there any other rules? :-)
>
>Thanks
>
>-- 
>Michael

I'm not too sure about this...
To be an Elder, you have to live on Cosmic Energy, like the Surfer, kinda.
You also have to have been around since the beginning of the universe, and
have a single all-encompassing devotion to *one* hobby (astronomy, collecting,
etc.).  Basically, you have to outlive your race by sheer willpower.  It really
wouldn't make too much sense to _make_ an elder.  It's kind of like someone
trying to become a Watcher, or Galactus.

>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>NPC rights activist           |      Nameless Abominations are people too.
>
>
>Great fights that should never happen Number 27:-
>
>	 Madderson Jefferies vs Colossus

Mike C.  (Zen)



-- 
Unlike subject-object metaphysics the Metaphysics of Quality does not insist on
a single exclusive truth. If subjects and objects are held to be the ultimate 
reality then we're permitted only one construction of things - that which
corresponds to the "objective" world - and all other constructions are unreal.
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: How Many Mutants?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 19:20:08 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <1992Dec16.165213.2239@infodev.cam.ac.uk> mjl17@mbuc.bio.cam.ac.uk (Michael Lush) writes:
>
>	Does anyone have a rough idea of the frequency of latent mutants
>on marvel Earth.

Just take the number of mutants in the x-teams (roughly 30 or so), add an
arbitrary number for the other super-teams (I know the New Warriors have 4
mutants.), add that number multiplied by the average number of super-villain 
teams the X-teams have faced, and add another arbitrary number to cover every-
body else.  That should do it.
  
>Great fights that should never happen Number 27:-
>	 Madderson Jefferies vs Colossus

I do believe that's MADISON Jeffries.  (You are talking about Alpha Flight's
Manikin, arn't you?  And I don't even read AF; I've only read a few issues.)

	--MikE...NOT an arbitrary number.

-- 
Mike Escutia	   |	"Holy Bat Caves, Boy Wonder!" 
a.k.a. Pliable Lad |				--Speedball, 
of the LNH	   |MikE@unh.edu |||  		  _New Warriors_ #31
From: xyzzy@imagen.com (David McIntyre)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:58:49 GMT
Organization: IMAGEN

In article <1992Dec17.173155.12960@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg Spira) writes:

>Anyway, if we had more pros we'd probably have to go through lots of "Is
>Todd Comic-Book-Writer The Comic-Book Writer?" threads, just like we have
>to go through the "Is He The Peter David" thread a couple of times a year.

The COMICS echo on Fidonet has two writers - Steven Grant and Mark Evanier.
Newbies are ALWAYS asking if they are who they really are.  I suppose I should
give them PAD's E-mail address and post theirs on here.
-- 
My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer.
..I'm not nearly as think as confused you am.
xyzzy@imagen.com
From: SATELLITE@eldi.epfl.ch (Uncle Alias)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Favorite Artists?
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:23:23 GMT
Organization: Satellite -- Enjoy!.. -- EPFL Students pub
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In <10DEC199216130901@addvax.llnl.gov> lim@addvax.llnl.gov writes:

> Excuse me if this post sounds a little uninformed, but I'm new to this
> newsgroup. And considering how tight my time is right now - I have a feeling
> I will regret posting this message, but here goes...

	In case you read every article replying to this one, you will... 8-)

> Who are the favorite comic book artists of the people out on the net and why?

	#1: Wendy Pini

	#2: Colleen Doran

	#3: (on a totally different matter) Phil Foglio

	As for why, it's just a matter of taste. Go and look.

	"Fire in Harmony!.."						Alias

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From: omni@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Omniscient fool)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Grendel War Child is boring
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:52:41 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
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In <lewandow.724697419@cs.wisc.edu> lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes:

>In <rawdon.724653962@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>>In <APPEL.92Dec17024417@soda.soda.Berkeley.EDU> appel@soda.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) writes:
>>>codes in the first issue seem to support something like this.  And
>>>then, there was the most odd reference in issue two "Just before his
>>>death, your husband was overseeing an extremely secretive operation
>>>that he refers to only as Project Athena.  Athena, you will recall,
>>>was the ancient Greek Goddess who sprang from her father's side
>>>without the benefit of a mother."  Things that make you go hmm.

>>I thought about that, but then remembered that Jupiter gestated in Orion's
>>body, so he fits the bill.

>I don't think Jupiter fits that bill at all.  Orion's pregnancy was
>well known, all Grendel groups now follow it.  That's hardly a secret
>operation.  

All that it means is that "Project Athena" is some plan Orion set up
that regards his son.  That's as far as the Athena reference gets us,
other than suggesting that the plan invovles removing him from his
mothers infulence.  The details of the plan are unfolding in the comic
now. 

In short, the Project Athena reference was put in there so that the
readers (and Madam Assante) would know that the kidnapping is part
of Orion's plans.

-- 
Craig Jackson      ---      Omniscient fool      ---      omni@ucscb.ucsc.edu
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From: areid@mary.fordham.edu (Darin Reid)
Subject: Kirby and Ditko (and Topps and Valiant)
Organization: Fordham University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 08:33:00 GMT
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Anyone got any info on the deal between Kirby and Topps? (My favorite
comic artist ever!)

Also - I was suprised to see Ditko's (My second favorit comic artist
ever!)
art in a Valiant comic (I don't buy any of their titles).  A quick CMV
check shows other issues of Magnus and Solar that he's done.  What is
his relationship with that company?  regular or just fill-in guy?

- Darin

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From: krupski@ravel.udel.edu (James John Krupski)
Subject: Silver Surfer (was Re: WHY Ron Marz?)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:46:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.002615.98722@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ckc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CEDRICK KIT CHAN) writes:
>Slipper Jim about Marz & Lim:
 ^^^^^^^ Hey Mr. Chan, it's SLIPPERY JIM, as in Stainless Steel Rat!
	 Call me Jim if you can't get my nom de keyboard right!
	 I'm not Peter Pan you know, nor Burt Ward!  ]B-1

>>Why should he bother to do better, when he's getting such lame stories from
>>the new writer.  Does anybody who reads this LIKE Ron Marz?  And can you
>>explain why?
>
>    I don't think he's an exceptional writer, but I think he's at least on par
>with Starlin's run on SS.  That herald of Galactus storyline seemed like
>something Starlin would come up with (that is stupidly cosmic and attempting
>to be meaningful).
You got that right!
>
>    It seemed perfect for Ron Lim's light-trying-be-serious style.

Writing on the Surfer has plummeted since Steve Englehart's first run
on the title IMO (the Galactus vs. In-Betweener vs. Elders issues).
I haven't been satisfied with anything since, including Starlin (although
he did have some moments) nor Englehart's second run, nor Marz.   This title
DEMANDS great writing - COSMIC writing you might say.  No wonder the original
Lee-written run was cancelled.  I haven't read the Masterworks, but I can
just imagine.  :-/  
In short Marz does not merit my monthly money.
A MASSIVE waste of Lim's talents.
Also, I think a better writer would challenge him to be STILL better.

				-Slippery Jim
				(sheesh, I don't even OWN slippers)

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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Frag Marvel and DC
Organization: Yale University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:02:02 EST

In article <1992Dec14.123504.19237@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
 
>
>In article <1992Dec2.191425.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes:
>
>>No. I just think that Jack Kirby should own what BELONGS to him in the first
>>place. The Charlton characters should belong to their creators in the same
>>way that American Flagg! belongs to Howard Chaykin or Nexus belongs to
>>Rude and Baron, even thogh First Comics has died.
>>
>Yes, but the point is that it doesn't belong to him, anymore than Superman
>BELONGS to Siegel and Shuster - they all SOLD their products to DC. They
>sold them for what they and DC agreed they were worth at the time. They
>sold them willingly. Would you sell a load of comics to a comic shop and then,
>20 years later, walk back in and demand them back when they'd increased in
>sale price? Because that's equivalent to what you're demanding here.
>
>Nobody's saying you shouldn't consider comics as 'art' instead of 'just'
>product, *but* when art is comissioned by and paid for by somebody else,
>you can't then demand to take back the art and try and make more money
>off it.
>
>Mike (who's probably going to regret getting involved in this thread)
 
   Actually, there was a bill (I can't remember whether it was local or
federal, and I can't remember if it passed or not) stating that the
artist should receive a part of the resale revenue.  The idea behind
it was that an unknown artist (who is good) will be "screwed" later
when the value of the painting skyrockets.
   Personally, I think this arrangement would cause more problems than
it's worth, but since my chances of buying artwork which will skyrocket
in price is minimal at best, I don't really care.
 
 
        Junsok Yang
From: cline@cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Superman: Hot or Not?
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:13:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: sourgum.cline.724353181
Reply-To: cline@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science

wsm26@cas.org (Wayne Mills) writes:

|In article <92343.010421GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>, <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> I have the Robin phone call results as listed in the trade paperback of the
|> story.  10,614 calls over a 36-hour period resulted in 5,271 for keeping him,
|> and 5,343 for offing him.  It was quite close.

Hey! Wait a minute!
This means that neither the 100 vote margin nor the 2:1 ratio occurred!
That means that Jason Todd should still be living
(Perhaps he'll come back as the new Superman :)
-- 
Ernest Cline
cline@cs.scarolina.edu