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From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Subject: Re: Bilingualism - a good cause!
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 12:48:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.203621.19127@husc3.harvard.edu>, verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan8.160713.1@cc.helsinki.fi> thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>>>also against discrimination. You should at least give some evidence about
>>>alleged "discrimination" done by the Estonian government before
>>>accusing them of anything.


> Just to clarify some points:
> 
> cauchy [3] 8:30pm verbit>webster discrimination
> Cross references:
>   1. discernment           
>  
> dis.crim.i.na.tion \dis-.krim-*-'na--sh*n\ \-shn*l, -sh*n-*l\ n 1: the
> act 
>    of discriminating : DIFFERENTIATION  2: the quality or power of finely 
>    distinguishing  3: the act, practice, or an instance of
> discriminating 
>    categorically rather  than individually - dis.crim.i.na.tion.al aj
>  
> cauchy [4] 8:31pm verbit>webster discriminate
> dis.crim.i.nate \dis-'krim-*-.na-t\ vb [L discriminatus, pp. of 
>    discriminare, fr. discrimin-, dis]crimen distinction, fr. discernere to 
>    distinguish between 1a: to mark or perceive the distinguishing or peculiar 
>    features of  1b: DISTINGUISH, DIFFERENTIATE  2: to distinguish by 
>    discerning or exposing differences; esp : to  distinguish (one like object) 
>    from another 1a: to make a distinction  1b: to use good judgment  2: to 
>    make a difference in treatment or favor on a basis other than individual 
>    merit
>  
> cauchy [5] 8:32pm verbit>
> 
> In case of racial or linguistic discrimination, only
> the following applies:
> 
> 
> " 2: to make a difference in treatment or favor on a basis other than
> individual merit"
> 
> And only a shameless demagogue will claim that Estonian
> goverment does not do discriminate. I am sincerely waiting
> for Tapani's apologies.
> 
> Misha.


Before you can get any, I must still add a question:

WHO IS ESTONIAN GOVERNMENT DISCRIMINATING AND IN WHAT MANNER?

I am afraid that the answer should include some information on
Estonia and can not be done on basis of Webster.

I am using dicrimination in a sense of "racial discrimination".
It should be clear enough.

I am afraid that when using other, wider concepts of discrimination
we might end to the conclusion that any sovereign state "discriminates"
their population, treats the citizens and non-citizens in different
manner.


with best regards
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                   urbs fennorum
From: ken@racerx.bridge.COM (Ken Hardy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Sun & Russia
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:06:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Planet Earth

In article <C0Cyvs.8GC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pmaggs@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter B. Maggs) writes:
+ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov) writes:
+>Are there still any restriction on the export of Sun equipment to Russia ?
...
+All computers more powerful than a 486/33 require a "validated
+export license."  The Solaris operatine license you have to show
+who sill be using the computer for what -- e.g. for cancer research,


I just saw a post to comp.sys.sun.admin (I think) from someone in
Moscow asking for help in getting a Sun utility configured properly.
Don't remember the organization.

-- 

Ken Hardy
ken@bridge.com  (racerx!ken)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg)
Subject: Re: zadachka pro sifilitika
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:40:57 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1993Jan3.134333.18958@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu writes:

[The correct solution of the problem posted by Yuri Smirnov omitted]

> >The first correct answerer will be awarded 10-ruble premia ( a wonderful coin ). 
> 
> Send my reward to 872 Mass Ave, #707, Cambridge, MA 02139.
> 
> I would like to see references to the generalized version of this problem.

It's  very  simple. The  generalized  problem  in which  1 guy  is going to
satisfy 2n-1 gals, providing each of these 2n persons are infected with the
different  venerial  diseases,  could be  solved by   generalization of the
method described in your posting. It  is necessary and sufficient to have n
condoms for this.

(1) Wear n   condoms while fucking #1
(2) Wear n-1 condoms while fucking #2
...
(n) Wear 1   condom  while fucking #n
(n+1)..(2n-1)  without removing the  last condom put  consecutively each of
the used condoms, inside out, on the  top of the last one and fuck #n+1  ..
2n-1. After each fuck the topmost condom could be removed, if desired -:).

It's  obvious that the  number n of  condoms is  really  MINIMAL, because n
condoms have  exactly 2n  sides, which is  the necessary  condition to deal
with 2n different diseases without transmission of any of them.

Because you was the first to post  the answer to the n=2 case, I decided to
award you (in addition to the coin, promised by the original poster) with 2
(two)  BRAND NEW  condoms. I  don't  include 3 STD  gals, just  because the
Cambridge, MA is overstacked with them.

And because you were interested in the generalized version of this problem,
you are also  eligible to get the  BONUS AWARD, which  is n=3 (three) extra
condoms.  However,  because you  didn't solve the  problem  for the general
case, these extra condoms are ALMOST NEW (used only once). Original factory
package as well as manuals available on request.

I'll ship BOTH  the main and the  bonus awards via  first class mail to the
Massachussets    address  above  on  your  first  request.  The  awards are
non-returnable and could be transferred to the other person only as a gift. 

For  those of  you  deep in   mathematics  I'd like  to  suggest  even more
generalized  version of the problem  in which m guys  with m' different STD
are going  to satisfy n  gals with  n' different  STD. The  total number of
different STDs is k <= m'+n'. The question is how many condoms they need to
mutually  satisfy  themselves. If  anybody think  that this  is not general
enough, I  challenge  him/her to  solve this  problem in the  N-dimensional
space where  each condom  has L  different sides.  (Hint: for  Moebius-type
condoms  /L=1/ the  problem  could be  solved only  for m'=m,  n'=n, k=1 or
m'=n'=k=0. The solution is 1 condom :-) ).

> cordially,
> mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu

Cordially,

Greg Landsberg@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu
From: muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Soc.Culture.Soviet
Date: 9 Jan 1993 03:32:13 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan8.214538.19129@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny) writes:
>
>B.C.E.  To cite an Armenian friend of mine, at the time our ancestors
>built their temples, the ancestors of the Slavs were sitting in the
>trees, and spitting at each other.  Of course, he said it in Russian.

Because you can't learn Armenian? :)

>
>One would think that a book like that is quite enough to claim the
>world title, if only on the basis of popularity and abiding cultural
>influence. 

Yeah, and then Quaran and "Main Kampf" will beat Russian literature to dust.

 I think even Mao's Little Red Book comes in as a distant
>second on both counts.
>
Yury M.
From: veith@dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Helmut Veith (gottlob))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: New passport laws???
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:08:40 GMT
Reply-To: veith@dbai.tuwien.ac.at
Organization: DBAI

A friend of mine who is studying in Vienna currently, wants to go back home
to Tashkent, Usbekistan via Moscow just for the month of February.
However, she is afraid that once she got to Tashkent, she has to return
her old Soviet passport and to apply for a new  passport, otherwise she
cannot leave the country  (due to the speed of beaurocracy).
Moreover she needs her old passport number for the Austrian visa. 
And I really want her to return...
Does anybody know, what will expect her? Any information about the
legal situation?

Bol'shoe Vam vsem spasibo, Helmut



---
email: veith@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: seltzer@ics.enet.dec.com (Richard Seltzer)
Subject: translation problem resolved
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:15:58 GMT

This network is incredible.  Having reached a deadend trying to
find out the meaning of the Russian words "poa" and "elevzin," I tried 
tracking down their Amharic equivalents ("t'ef" and "dagussa"), once
again using the network.

I sent a question to someone who had posted an item about Ethiopia
in another newsgroup.  For those of you who are curious, here is his reply:

>t'ef is a type of very small diameter grain (smaller than sorghum) that I
>believe is found only in Ethiopia. It is the basis for the staple food, called
>Injera, a flat, very thin pancake like bread in the Amharas and Tigray's of 
>Ethiopia. There is a latin name for it something with Abyssinica suffix in it
>if I recall correctly. It turns out some enterpreneur/agriculturalist is 
>growing it somewhere in the mid-west and selling the flour as a high-iron
>ingredient, and is found in many health stores.

>Dagussa is a slightly larger than t'eff in diameter, it might even be sorghum.
>It is used for the drink t'ella, although barley is also used.

>No, I don't know their English equivalent; I know for sure t'eff doesn't have
>an English name. Perhaps Amharic-English dictionary might have answer to the 
>others. You might want to call Dr. Tsehaye Teferra who is the director of the
>Ethiopian Community of Washington DC (ECDC) - I don't have his phone number,
>but if you call information in Washington DC (1-202-544-1212 ?) and ask for
>ECDC they can give it to you. He is a linguist as well as has information
>similar, I hope, to what you are asking since his office does some legal
>translations.

Once again, thanks to all who responded to my original request.

Best wishes.

Richard Seltzer  seltzer@ics.dec.com
-- or --      ...!decwrl!ics.dec.com!seltzer
-- or --      seltzer%ics.enet.dec.com
From: zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Molodo-zeleno / zhloby iz Odessy
Keywords: zhlobs, Odessa, huj, Zeleny
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:28:18 GMT
Organization: The Phallogocentric Cabal

In article <Zq64wB1w165w@bwalk.dm.com> 
dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dimitri Vulis) writes:

>No, I meant "those zhlobs" = "te zhloby". 

How unfortunate for you that the Russian idiom does not translate word
for word.

>					_Those_ zhlobs from Odessa (including
>Merdi-Verdi) 

How neat.  Since you so relish the language of slobs and cunts, would
you prefer to be called "Vulgaris" or "Vulvis"?

>	   indeed pose a clear and present danger to _this_ country and should
>be deported back to Berdichev (starting with Merdi-Verdi).

Dima, I would take umbrage at your behest, but for the fact that you
are so unintentionally funny.  Carry on, you amuse me.

>Also it's been pointed out that your "French" stinks as much as your "English":

>>Secondly, I think that the most funny thing is that your message
>>is proudly furnished with some phrase written in French with at least
>>five mistakes (if des femmes, then Les culs, and sont instead of est,
>>and les esprits, if des hommes) - and not at all I am an expert in French.

To reiterate an elementary point: the above would have been true, if
and only if women and men had more than one arse and one mind each,
respectively.  Once again, English rules do not apply.  In any case,
you should address your further non-expert complaints to the ghost of
Guy de Maupassant.

>As one governor of Odessa said, ty sna^ala sozrej, a potom na huj rot raskrywaj.
>
>"Huj pizdy ne zelenee."
>
>Prodly admitting my total psychic, telepathic, and other extrasensory
>disability, s hasidomasonskim priwetom,

cordially,
mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
"Le cul des femmes est monotone comme l'esprit des hommes."
From: hminassi@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Eh bien continuons.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Armenian IRC Meeting
Date: 12 Jan 93 06:56:09 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego



Parev gam Barev!

There will be a meeting on IRC this
wednesday, 1/13/93 at 7p.m. Pacific
time (west coast time) on channel
#Hayastan.
From Unix Just Type: irc  [Return]
Then Type:           /join #Hayastan  [Return]

Looking forward to seeing you there.

H. Minassian
From: muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:10:56 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <C0GCI7.7Er@fiu.edu> kilman2y@fiu.edu (Yevgeny Kilman) writes:
>
>Poka vciakie umniki priatalic' op voennim kafedram, chesnie jidi gorbili
>v ebannoi sovetskoi armii. 

Mudryj pingvin khitro prjachet
Telo sytoe v utesy,
Tol'ko duren' burevestnik
Pohujachil cheres more
...Durakam zakon ne pisan.


Priezhajte, Zhenechka, Ja vam khot' pud khleba skormlju. Dlja der'ma ne zhalko.

Yury M.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: irina@zorro.cecer.army.mil (Irina  Kosinovsky)
Subject: Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant jokes
Organization: US Army Corps of Engineers Construction Engineering Research Labs
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:14:52 GMT

In <93007.094409BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> <BAV2@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>After reading this long discussion I understood at last what is the main
>cause of ..hm.. special nature of this group. Their main contributors
>are just from the barracks!

>One quotation. Mikhail Zhvanetsky (sorry, quoting as I remember - no text
>on hand):

>I mysli u nas soldatskiye, i razgovory u nas soldatskiye, i razvlecheniya
>u nas soldatskiye, i shutki u nas soldatskiye, i mechty u nas soldatskiye,
>i zheny nashi soldatki, i lechenie, i pokhorony posle nego u nas
>soldatskiye.

>To be more serious, this discussion proves that soviet culture indeed exists,
>and is indeed a barrack culture.

>With compliments

>-Boris

Nu pochemu je? Est' sredi nas i mirnye ludi :)

Civilian Irina  
-- 
Irina Kosinovsky [irina@zorro.cecer.army.mil]
Construction Engineering Research Labs, US Army Corps of Engineers
Champaign, Illinois (217)352-6511 x676
"See, when the GOVERNMENT spends money, it creates jobs; whereas when the
 money is left in the hands of TAXPAYERS, God only knows what they do with it.
 Bake it into pies, probably.  Anything to avoid creating jobs." -- Dave Barry

-- 
Irina Kosinovsky [irina@zorro.cecer.army.mil]
Construction Engineering Research Labs, US Army Corps of Engineers
Champaign, Illinois (217)352-6511 x676
"See, when the GOVERNMENT spends money, it creates jobs; whereas when the
From: LODEESENJ@adminb.rferl.org (Username was LODEESEN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Soc.Culture.Soviet (was Re: some Soviet emigre restaurant
              jokes)
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:07:13 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

Boris asks if there are any contrdictions.  I don't know whether he means to
ask whether we see contradictions in what he wrote or whether we would like to
contradict what he has asserted.  I'll try to limit myself to that which meets
both criteria.  On the superiority of Russian culture, I think that for most
of us the problem is that OUR education rejects the notion of asserting
the cultural superiority of one nation over another.  The reason we do that is
that it is unnecessary as an element of a discussion of the contribution of a
culture and it has an ugly history whether Kultur or Kultura or the White
Man's Burden.  I think that a good education by definition would include
respect for such principles and that lapses do not reflect well on the
educational system which permits such lapses except in the heat of passioned
defense of one's own.  It seems to me, then, that the assertion of superior
(in any comparative sense) education and culture, is inherently a contradic-
tion.  On the other hand, emulation where possible and admiration where
emulation is not possible seem the only appropriate response to the
extraordinary achievements of Russian culture, not just through part of the
nineteenth century but up to this day.  That, as so often before in history,
the cultural flame was lit by inequity and suffering requires some compassion
from those of us who are neither by blood nor any other kind of background
Russian.
  As to the lacunae in Russian education, I personally find them so large
that it would be difficult for me to find the same enthusiasm for Russian
education as I do for Russian culture.  But there is still much to admire
and not a little to emulate.  I just wouldn't feel comfortable in having it
offered as a model for the citizenry of the world today.  After all, it is
not only our ancestors (mine at least in Scotland or Scandinavia) who hung
from trees and spat at each other.  They spat on anyone less well armed than
they, from the Volga to Indonesia.  It is our children who worry me.  On
this net, so many seem to have climbed back into the trees.  Come on down.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11819 talk.politics.soviet:10235 soc.culture.europe:11010
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: jgillett@cix.compulink.co.uk (John Gillett)
Subject: Re: Translation problem
Cc: jgillett@cix.compulink.co.uk
Reply-To: jgillett@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:47:00 +0000

>santal ("The queen other was heavily scented with attar of roses >and santal.")

This scent is known as sandalwood, not just sandal;  it is a scent
derived, I believe, from a tree.
-john
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)
Subject: Re: Glubokie izvineni'a ( starshina i t.d. .... )
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:02:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.231625.19178@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
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Just what double .sig is supposed to mean ?
Really curious Michael
From: sergei@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Sergei Borodin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Sun & Russia
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:55:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1222@racerx.bridge.COM> ken@racerx.bridge.COM (Ken Hardy) writes:
>In article <C0Cyvs.8GC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pmaggs@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter B. Maggs) writes:
>+ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov) writes:
>+>Are there still any restriction on the export of Sun equipment to Russia ?

>+All computers more powerful than a 486/33 require a "validated
>+export license."  The Solaris operatine license you have to show
>+who sill be using the computer for what -- e.g. for cancer research,


>I just saw a post to comp.sys.sun.admin (I think) from someone in
>Moscow asking for help in getting a Sun utility configured properly.
>Don't remember the organization.

   Nothing surprizing.  The only thing COCOM had acheived 
   by export restriction is a fat wallet of some middle
   guys. I remember back in earlier 80's there existed
   embargo on export of VAXes. The Institute I worked in
   had about 3-5 of them - they paid 300% of the list price.

   Would it be more reasonable to make DEC richier?

   Another funny thing I read in, I beleive, EDN is that
   Sun hired a Russian crew to develop some software.
   The article said that if embargo on software will
   still exist the Russians will not be able to buy
   the software they developed for Sun.

>Ken Hardy
>ken@bridge.com  (racerx!ken)

  S.B.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:11884 soc.culture.turkish:13914
From: wsbusup2@rw8.urc.tue.nl (Boudewijn Wayers)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Who are Kuharic and Selimoski
Keywords: Puzzle
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:24:19 GMT
Reply-To: wsbusup2@urc.tue.nl
Followup-To: soc.culture.soviet

I am working on a puzzle for which I need to finish a sequence of
names. The names Kuharic and Selimoski are given and i need a third
name to finish the sequence. If you know the third name please let me
know via e-mail. If i get an answer I will post it to this group.

Thanks in advance, Kees van Tol.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.europe
From: thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi
Subject: Re: A rectification
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:23:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.110619.1@cc.helsinki.fi>, thietaniemi@cc.helsinki.fi 
writes:

> Some represenentants of the Estonian Congress - that during
> the last year mainly represented the right wing opinion - were inclined to 
> think that the restitution of the Estonian republic might imply the 
> acceptance of the old constitution (at least the extreme right wing advocated 
> that: Tunne Kelam and Lagle Parek, if I am not mistaken).


I WAS mistaken: Kelam and Parek did not support the old constitution but
other Congress members (Endel Lippmaa and others).

 
> Fortunately, this reactionary idea (according to my opinion) was put down
> by the majority of Congress and the Tiit Va"hi (leftist) government
> organized the referendum on a new, modern constitution in June 1992.
 
 
with apologies
the observer
Tapani Hietaniemi, Universitas Helsingiensis
                    urbs fennorum
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: pmaggs@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Peter B. Maggs)
Subject: Re: Sun & Russia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:59:51 GMT

ayr@gtech.com (Aleksey Y. Romanov) writes:


>Are there still any restriction on the export of Sun equipment to Russia ?


>Thank you

Yes if you mean Sun Computers and not sunsuits or suntan oil.  
All computers more powerful than a 486/33 require a "validated
export license."  The Solaris operatine license you have to show
who sill be using the computer for what -- e.g. for cancer research,
not for rcket research.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.soviet
From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei)
Subject: Re: Bilingualism - a good cause!
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:13:58 GMT

      Two points:

     First, I can't think of a country where multiple official
languages exist, and the groups using the languages are geographically
mixed.  Multilingual countries generally have areas where one language
or another is considered predominant (examples: Canada, Belgium, and
Switzerland), or one official language, with the others given second
class status (examples: Spanish and Chinese in the US, anything
besides Russian in Russia).

     [BTW, those who think that the Estonian citizenship laws are
restrictive should look at the Swiss' - gaining Estonian citizenship
is *far* easier.]

     Second, Estonia is a Western (and Western-looking) nation. An
Estonian has far more to gain by learning German, French, or most
especially English then he or she does by learning Russian. Face it:
on the world scene, Russian is not an important language. (Why do you
think that most of the discussion in these groups is carried out in
English?).

     I imagine that most Estonian parents will place much higher
priority on their children learning Western languages than on Russian.
(Of course, learning Russian as well is a good thing).

							Peter Trei
							ptrei@mitre.org

Disclaimer: I am not representing my employer.