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From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Under The Gun Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Famous Netters
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:56:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Kevlar Bleacher Concessions, Ltd. (Arlington Branch)

(Lance "Perky" Smith) writes:
>Quiz time:
>
>What r.s.bb. regular's name appears in the latest issue of The Thang?
>
>(That's this weeks issue. We know Gary's face will be splashed over
> next week's issue - "Has Baseball Fanaticism Gone to Far? The Huckabay
> Killspree in Oakland!" - but I'm looking for this issue.)

No killing spree yet.  If Bobby Witt turns into another Dave Stewart,
the A's get draft picks for Russell and Sierra, AND the A's win the WS
this year, I'll not be horribly distressed.

BTW - I got to speak with his Aldersonness IN PERSON the other day
while watching the Modesto A's, just after the Canseco trade.  After
talking with him, under the guise of being a college newspaper
reporter, I don't feel so bad.

I FULLY expect one of David Cone, Greg Maddux, or Barry Bonds to be in
Oakland next season.  I also do NOT expect Sierra to return to
Oakland, and I hope he doesn't.  That'll be about 94 draft picks, and
any time you have Rickey Henderson leading off, you have the basis for
an offense, even if he will be 48 next year or something.

I WILL, however, remain a big fan of Canseco's, and I won't feel so
bad the next time the Rangers come to town and belt homers left and
right.



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From: dswartz@redondo.sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Managing in the AL
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:29:27 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Aug25.202005.15065@advtech.uswest.com> steven@jaynes ( Steve Novak) writes:
>> = Jim McMaster writes:
>
>>Regardless of whether the DH makes AL managing "easier" or not, I like
>>the rule, because it leads to more offense.  There is not a guaranteed
>>out in the number nine spot.
>
>This whole statement is incorrect.  I know I've heard that the average
>DH batting average is ~.250.  Could one of the Stat Heads help me out?

So you're saying that pitchers in the NL hit even half of that?  If so,
I'd love to see some proof.  If not, then clearly his whole statement
wasn't incorrect.  Personally, I think he was exaggerating some, but not
that much.

>If you think the 9th spot is an "automatic out", you haven't seen Doc
>Gooden, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine or Swift of SF at bat (among others).  
>These guys can hit and bunt.  Pitchers hitting, IMO, adds strategy not 
>present when some (usually) aging one-dimensional player is the 10th man 
>in the lineup.

Yeah, and they're the exceptions to the rule.

>
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Dan S.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:05:48 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Sep02.161808.27587@brtph560.bnr.ca> psycho@brtpa25.bnr.ca (Paul Jezioranski) writes:
>	Exactly my point; we dont know, and it's pertinent info. We can't 
>	just "assume" the ERA difference is negligible like one fellow suggested
>	anymore than we can conclude that with 700 ML ball players, the 
>	difference between seventh best and best is negligible.


But you're assuming that Cecil's HR and RBI totals are a meaningful indicator
of his run producing ability. How do you know? For all you know, every home
run he hit this year was off a rookie or a washed up veteran, and each ball
just barely cleared the fence (an extreme exaggeration to point out how
silly you're being).

Sure we don't know, but considering they play in the same league and face
the same teams, its reasonable to assume they're facing the same pitchers
and that one guy is NOT getting a steady diet of weak pitchers while Fielder
hit against Clemens and Guzman every at bat.

>	True, but again, who's currently leading in RBIs? Unless my Sunday
>	paper had a typo, Fielder was the only ML player currently with more
>	than 100 RBI.

Put Canseco in cecil's spot in the order and he would have a similar total
if not more even with his injury problems. The Tigers hitting in front of
Cecil get on base A LOT. Cecil leads the league in RBI's because he leads
the league in RBI opportunities.




Russ Smith
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From: jle@world.std.com (Joe M Leonard)
Subject: How is Phil Plantier doin?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:19:02 GMT

Has anybody seen what Plantier's been doing since his demotion
to AAA a while back?  Has he proved to be a sulker, or merely
a young player needing "seasoning"?  Will/has he been called up
for September?

Joe Leonard
jle@world.std.com
From: jwc@netx.com (Jeff Comer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Jose, we hardly knew ye
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:54:02 GMT
Organization: The Chaos Bobs

Happy trails, big guy! You played all those years in Oakland, playing for 
the master. And now, with those years of experience under your belt, you're
striking out for the heart of Texas. You leave behind a team that despite
having many of its stars on the DL may just end up winning the AL west title
anyway. You take with you your 231 career home runs, your 719 RBI's, your 8
years in the East Bay. You face ahead the challenge of playing on a peren-
nial also-ran, a team with as much bash as the one you left behind, but no
pitching to back it up.

So what are you gonna do in Texas? Well, for starters, I bet you'll never
have another run-in with the law. Ya see, folks in Texas tend to drive around
the same speeds as you do. Besides, they've got the roads to handle it. So
don't go lookin' over your shoulder, or adjusting your fuzzbuster, 'cause it
just don't matter anymore. Not only that, you won't have any trouble carrying
around insurance with you, if you know what I mean.

Another thing you're gonna do is to wow the fans at Arlington Stadium. Yeah
I know it'll only be around for another year, but that thing is going to go
out in a blaze of glory. Picture it, closing day, 1993, the last AB in the
stadium, with Palmiero on 3rd and Gonzalez on 2nd, Canseco facing Eckersley
with 2 outs, Rangers down by 2.... yeah, you're gonna crush that thing all-
right.... Pow! All the way to the moon!

Pretty soon after that, the mayors of Dallas, Fort Worth, and Arlington,
plus all the other little burgs in between, are going to name a street after
you. There will be The Jose Canseco Highway, Bash Blvd, .... then, you'll
get a talk show on the local AM where you take calls, and one of those 
callers will ask you about Madonna and Ester, and you know what? You'll just
laugh it off, cause in Texas, those kind of things just don't bother anyone.
And then, you'll become a true Texan, an image larger than life.

All the while, you'll be belting those balls out of the stadium, into the
parking lot and onto the interstate. Why, I bet you'll spank 50 of 'em your
first year there. Then they'll set the fences in the new park to accomodate
your swing, so right will be brought in 20 feet or so, and in your first AB
in that stadium, you'll bring home 1 or 2 in one swing. Pow!! And in that
first year in the new park, mark my words, my friend, you will pound 30 of
'em by the break, and then you'll get *hot*. I bet we'll even see 60 before 
September is over!

And the fans, oh, they'll take to you right away, they'll start selling
out the seats, and then the management will have the bucks to get those
high-priced pitchers that will hold those leads you hand them. 

So ya see Jose, you can't lose. It's been good watching you in an A's uni-
form all these years, playing for the master, but now you're on your own,
in a park where the longball is easier, and it's time to shine. 

-jc
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From: oxley@pdn.paradyne.com (Don Oxley)
Subject: Re: Tim Belcher's Removal
Keywords: Belcher, Rob, Dibble, Yikes! 
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:00:59 GMT

In article <31AUG199216400706@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:
>I'm not a Reds fan, but I'm really curious as to why Lou Piniella pulled
>Tim Belcher out of last night's Reds-Mets game.  Belcher had retired
>something like 22 straight Mets, and yet Rob Dibble came out to pitch
>the ninth.  The fact that Dibble gave up a three-run homer to Bobby Bo
>to cost the Reds the game makes this question that much more interesting...
>
>I presume that one of these three things occurred:
>1) Belcher told Piniella he had nothing left
>2) Belcher was hurt in some way
>3) Piniella suffered some kind of brain spasm
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Bruce 'Slower than Hector Villanueva' Hasch    hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu
>Bill Ripken Anti-Fan Club                      O's all the way in '92!!
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>


You can scratch reasons 1 and 2.  The game was telecasted in the
Tampa Bay area, and Belcher was not at all pleased with being pulled
out.  I don't blame him either.  He was pitching great.  He showed
his "displeasure" by tossing several objects in the dugout and
voicing a few choice words.  Reason 3 has to be the only conclusion.

DonO

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From: bone@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Douglas J. Bone)
Subject: Horner (was Re: Brave fans)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date:  1 Sep 92 17:07:56 GMT

In <1SEP199212005789@mitme5.mit.edu> kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.) writes:

>The great thing about that game was that the Expos still won the game even 
>though Horner had the four runs by a score something like 9-6. I think all his 
>homers were solo shots which would make sense for Horner since he rarely ever 
>hit a homer with a man on in his career.

I don't have the numbers on Horner's homers, but I recall his leading
the league in sacrifice flies one year, so he did demonstrate some RBI
ability.  He batted fourth most of the time, though, so you'd expect
run production.  I don't recall *in general* Horner having problems knocking
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From: asdfjkl@wam.umd.edu (Christopher Carlyle O'Callaghan)
Subject: Re: Cubs Protected 15?????
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:49:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.150948.20903@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff) writes:
>raistlin@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (The Joker) writes:
>
>>Having only been a baseball fan for about 5 years now (just REALLY
>>starting to get into the game), and being a Cub fan, could someone
>>tell me if they know who the 15 protected players will be?  I can venture
>>the following guesses.  Does anyone know more?
>
>>Protected (I think)
>>Mark Grace
>>Ryne Sandberg 
>>Shawon Dunston
>>Doug Dacenzo
>>Greg Maddux (*IF* he signs and doesn't do that  Free Agent Dance)
>>Rey Sanchez  (could be a third baseman)
>>Mike Harkey
>>Sammy Sosa
>
>I think that anyone with a guaranteed contract must be protected, 
>although I couldn't say off-hand who this might include.  I assume
>they would protect Mike Morgan as well as those you've listed (except
>Dascenzo, and maybe Sanchez since they might have other prospects
>they would rather protect - I don't know.)

Dascenzo and Sanchez probably won't be protected.  Maddux is almost definetely
headed to free agency, so who is left?

I'd say Derrick May, Fernando Ramsey (what bonehead decided to bring him up?!?!)
and.. and... well, your guess is good as mine, maybe Sanchez or Buechele.

Gene (Cub fan stuck in O's country... :( )
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Players value
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 18:14:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.173755.13592@news.iastate.edu> sckelm@iastate.edu (Steven C Kelm) writes:
>I'm interested in the opinions of the net regarding some players 
>who have not had the seasons that were expected of them.  I'm listing
>five players but feel free to add to the list.  How do the hometown 
>fans feel about them, how does management, and what would be needed 
>in trade for them, i.e. untouchable, you can have him, etc. 
>
>Chuck Finley - regarded as one of the better lefties in baseball, but 
>               having a horrendous year.

I wouldn't trade him, since his trading value is probably low now.  What I
feel is that his horrible performance early in the year was due to his foot
injury (and subsequent surgery).  I certainly hope he is turning it around;
in his last outing, he pitched a career high 10 innings (but it is the Indians
we are talking about).

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: binkley@epas.utoronto.ca (P. Binkley)
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:20:27 GMT

>
>I don't think it's a particular good deal if the Jays can't sign Cone.  From
>the Mets standpoint, they get two good third basemen, so I suppose this means
>they won't sign Magadan.
>
>===============================================================================
>GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
>===============================================================================
>Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)

Neither one is particularly outstanding defensively at third (lots of
errors); but they can improve.  Sprague (who is still hypothetical)
has shown himself a plausible catcher this year in limited action.  He
caught Stot's 1-hitter last night.  Anyway, the future is now for the
Jays.  Again.  If the trade gets them into the post-season, it's worth
it. 

Gillick was just on CJCL.  He says Cone will start on Saturday,
pushing Guzman back to Sunday.  Quinlan has been called up to replace
Kent as backup at third.  No word on how a roster spot will be opened
for him; they've got a couple of days before Cone has to be put on the
roster.

Peter Binkley
binkley@epas.utoronto.ca
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From: daryll@daryllf.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Daryll France)
Subject: Re: Pitchers who hit (again)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:48:22 GMT

In article <69TP02Kk1f8M01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>, msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong) writes:
|> I went to the Giants and Mets game last night at Candlestick. Dwight Gooden
|> was pitching, and when he first came to bat I noticed that he is hitting .280.
|> It seems everytime I watch Gooden he is hitting .260-.280. Later in the game,
|> Dr. K pulled a pitch over the left field fence. Yet Gooden was still #9 in the
|> batting order. My question is, why are pitchers
|> always batted last? The Mets had SS Dick Schofield, who was hitting .205 hitting
|> second. It seems to me like it would make a lot more sense to bat a pitcher who
|> has shown he can *consistently* hit above .250 the same place you would bat
|> any other player who bats >.250. The only reasons I could think of were that
|> 1) everyday players are viewed as too neurotic to be moved from their normal
|> position in the batting order every 5th day (which maybe explains why the Giants
|> can't hit as Roger Craig rarely sticks with one lineup this year) or 2) it's
|> just another stupid tradition managers follow without thinking about.
|> 
|> Any Comments?

The reason pitchers always bat in the #9 position to start a game is because if you have a pitcher that bats .400 in the cleanup spot and you have to remove him from the game early (injury, ineffectiveness,...) the replacement pitcher has to play in his slot (unless you perform a double switch) and his .083 batting average will be a severe disadvantage in the cleanup spot for the rest of the game.

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From: z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: CY, MVP, ROY
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:58:52 CST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <28AUG199217315819@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu>, hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:
> In article <1992Aug28.193940.16825@tamsun.tamu.edu>, rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez) writes...
> 
>>National League
>>---------------
>> 
>>Cy Young
>>1. Tom Glavine
>>2. That's it
> 
> Probably correct, sportswriters will see his 23 or so wins and it'll be all
> over.  A lot of the other candidates having good years in the stats department
> are getting no run support (Maddux, Drabek), so they don't have good W-L 
> records, which seems to be the major criteria for determining the Cy winner.

	This is slightly less faulty than using RBIs to determine the MVP (not
a flame to the poster, but to the voting mediots).

	And what, no Dennis "Kerosene" Lamp?

> 
>>MVP
>>1. Strong: Sheffield, McGriff
> 
> I've got to go with Sheffield here.  

	He may also get Comeback Player of the Year (Doug Jones also has
a shot at CPotY). If Sheffield gets the Triple Crown, I don't see how he can't
get MVP (nobody named Dimaggio to hit in 50+ consecutive games and get the big
press...).
                                          
Brandon Cope
From: chandoni@husc8.harvard.edu (John-Marc Chandonia, , , )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Braves 15 to protect
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:20:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Sep1.182024.15286
Reply-To: chandoni@husc8.harvard.edu
Distribution: usa
Originator: chandoni@husc8.harvard.edu

dbloom@bnr.ca (David Bloom P025) writes:
> Glavine
> Smoltz
> Avery
> P Smith
> Wholers
> Nied
> Gant
> Justice
> Mercker
> Klesko
> K Mitchell
> M Nieves
> Olson
> D Sanders
> Pendleton

Who is M Nieves?  Nied is the guy pitching tonight... if he does badly
enough, there might not be any need to protect him.  Before he got
brought up, I hadn't heard of him on the "top prospects" list, thought.
It would be nice to protect Berryhill, though... he's got a lot of
power despite other low offensive stats, and he plays good defence
too.

Any guesses on who we'll be likely to lose under this arrangement?
Key unprotected people include Otis Nixon, Lemke, Belliard, and Bream.
We could lose Otis, considering Deion seems to be sticking with
baseball, and we have Keith Mitchell on the way.  Losing Lemke
or Belliard would be OK; we have Blauser/Treadway.  At first
base we have Klesko, unless Hunter shows great improvement.

I hope somebody takes Stanton off our hands; even when he has
been looking good, he still makes me nervous.  The Braves management
is so in love with him that they might protect him over Wohlers
or Pete Smith, though.

JMC
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From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Managing in the AL
Date: 26 Aug 92 15:26:51 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <92238.231828IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>As I was watching the Sox play the Mariners the other day, I thought
>to myself: Why would anyone want to play indoors? What about the
>sun, the grass? Domed stadiums are just another sign of the decadence
>of society!
>+===============================================================+
>||   RYAN ROBBINS                    INTERNET:                 ||
>||   UNIVERSITY OF MAINE             IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU   ||
>+===============================================================+

As I was driving through a snowstorm in Montana last Saturday, I
thought to myself:  Why would anyone want to play baseball outdoors?
Sunstroke, bugs, rainouts, cheap cigar smokers, chill factors, etc.
Outdoor baseball is just another sign of the hidebound, narrow
minded reliance on tradition in out society!!!  (attach grin
to last sentence)

I love my Dome!


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| Eric Sieferman            |   "Winning cures everything."          |
| U. of W., M.C.I.S.        |     -- The Fabulous Sports Babe        |
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From: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (Dave Bonar)
Subject: Re: roy NL
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-27693]: sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
Organization: News and Views from LSU
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:51:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.150823.27605@athena.mit.edu>, chico@athena.mit.edu (Thomas A Weston) writes...
> 
>How exactly do you figure Sanders among the league's 'elite center fielders
>offensively?'  No fewer than 4 center fielders have been better this season.  I
>calculated Offensive Winning Percentages for every decent NL center fielder and
>Andy Van Slyke, Brett Butler, Ray Lankford and Otis Nixon all came out better. 
>Plus they all have more at bats than Reggie.  The other Sanders, Deion, comes out
>better, but he has around 20 fewer at bats.  Reggie Sanders appears to be maybe
>the fourth or fifth best offensiver center fielder in the NL.  Being barely above
>average rarely makes a player elite.

	How are you computing this Offensive Winning Percentage?

	How does Karros do in Offensive Winning Percentage?  Is he better
then Sanders?  How does he compare to other firstbasemen?

Dave
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From: dave@silver.sni.ca (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: Boggs Toronto bound?
Organization: Coneheads Yes, Cheeseheads No!
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:46:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.111257.2137@merrimack.edu> desmondw@merrimack.edu writes:
>In Todays Boston newspaper, we found out that Lou Gorman(Red Sox GM) had
>been talking with the Jays over the past 2 weeks trying to work out a
>deal that would send pitchers Mike Gardiner,Greg Harris,and Joe Hesketh
>to Toronto for Kent and Derek Bell and a player to be named later. Toronto
>was interested until Cone came into the picture. So, the Sox would be willing
>to trade within the division.

I, too, would be willing to trade within the division if I could get Kent,
Bell and a PTBNL for Gardiner (5.09 ERA), Hesketh (4.54 ERA) and Harris
(who has roughly Mark Eichhorn's numbers).

If Lou Gorman seriously thought that Pat Gillick would jump at this offer,
he is living in CloudCuckooLand (tm).  No wonder the Sox are struggling:
Gorman is overvaluing his talent.
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