From: bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Judge, Jury, Executioner In One Easy Step (Was: Why a sawed-off shotgun?)
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:14:32 GMT
Reply-To: bws20@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


See enclosure below, further reprimanding me.  In my post which you have excer
pted and annotated, I was trying to clarify my feelings more accurately.Iwas
elaborating my position.  You have chosen merely to refer back to my original
post, so I fail to see why I should clarify further.  If you merely wish to ca
stigate me, okay, go ahead.  If you are interested in what I feel, and why I f
eel, and so on, then try to open your head a little.  I modified my usage of t
he term murder and stated I may be in error; you have chosen to go back to my
 original statement.  This baffles me.

In one of my posts I stated I have read transcripts made available by
Weaver supporter of phone conversations they had with him during the
incident (or immediately after, but I think they claimed the former)
In this remarks were made more than once about Yahweh healing the wounds.

Regarding my remarks about kids learning hatred from their parents: I
was clarifying why I dislike race supremist groups, not merely Weaver.  I
thought, apparently wrongly, that I was clearly not merely referring to
Weaver here.


Regarding most of the rest of your remarks, again you have chosen to
ignore my attempt at clarification and only consider my initial post.
Okay.

bws



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<In article <b8R002Sd21B=01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons) writes:

<   In article: <ATAYLOR.92Sep8143748@gauss.nmsu.edu>
<   someone comments regarding my Weaver-hostile remarks  (see enclosure
<   below).

<   1) I do know a US MArshal was slain.  What I have heard of the incident
<   including transcripts of conversations btwn Weaver & supporters, inclines
<   me to think it _was_ murder.  Perhaps I will be proven wrong.

	"Murder" is a legal term. Here is how you used it:

>< <It seems to me that murdering a federal law enforcement official is

> <sufficient reason for bloodshed.  

	So any time a Federal law enforcement official is killed,
	an execution should be carried out on the spot?

	I disagree.

<   2)  Yes I do harbor large loads of vitriol for A) religious fanatics
<   (this guy thinks Yahweh was healing Harris's wounds!) 
	
	How do you know that, please?

<B) race supremists regardless of race C) religious fanatic race supremists
< DO I think they should be shot out of hand?  No, I was being hyperbolic
< here.  

	Huh. If you don't mean what you say, then try to say what
	you mean.

	You sound remarkably like one of the people you condemn
	out of hand; exclaim that all of a certain kind of people
	should be "shot", but waffle around when called on your
	bigoted assertion.

<I do think it is sad when people teach hatred and intolerance
<based on race, or religion, or whatever.  
	
	Yeah, it's really bad when someone asserts "All XYZ's
	should be shot"....now isn't it?

<It sickens me to see kids
<   wearing white robes at KKK rallies, or giving a Nazi salute, or expressing
<   hatred of racial or ethnic groups because they have learned this from
<   their parents.

	Any evidence that Weaver has done this?

<   What I was particularly reacting to is that so many people seem eager
<   to support Weaver and condemn lawenforcement officials.  
	
	When law enforcement officials seem more eager to kill
	"a**holes" out of hand than bring them into the court
	for a trial, I condemn them. 

	Perhaps you approve of this?

<This is scary to
<   me.  DO I really want to condemn Weaver without a trial? 

	Based solely on what you have posted, you desire
	him dead ASAP without a trial.

<And of course
<I have no power to condemn him, or punish him.  Do I think he should be
<tried?

	Well, DO you?

<Am I scared of people who think our government is ZOG?  

	Yet you have no problem with Federal law-enforcement
	officers shooting first and asking questions later.....
	interesting, that.

<Damn right.  We
<fought jerks like this in a war 50 years ago.  I hope we don't have to
<again.

	If jerks who demand "execution first, trial later" continue
	to gain influence in this country, the next war may be
	right here.
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brian wesley simmons          in secret kept, in silence sealed
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