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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:36:10 -0400
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From:         G9226406@SSCVAX.CIS.MCMASTER.CA
Subject:      Re: More on Bathroom behavior studies. (try again)

Tim,
Exactly which sociobiology theory are you referring to.  I know of none
that say chewing on someone in the can makes you survive longer.

Thanks for the laugh anyway!!! :-)

Cheers,
Tammy
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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From:         Tor Neilands <tbn@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Ethics

>Publish or perish, per se, is not the problem.  As I see it, the problem
>is composed of two (perhaps inseparable) components.  First there is the
>p & p component.  But compounding the problem significantly is the fact
>that the journals and other avenues refuse to publish non-significant
>results.  Seems to me that the development of a "true science" is as much
>predicated on wide dissemination of what doesn't work as it is on the
>wide dissemination of what does work.
>
>Another $.02
>
>barry

Barry: This point is very well rendered. Unfortunately, in so far that
science is geared towards the "discovery" of natural laws which are
allegedly predictable and immutable, there is a strong need for scientists
to discover "truth". p < .05 is one way to legislate "truth" in an
otherwise murky, confusing field (I've found many scientists who hate to
use the words "I don't know" in my day). Can we in fact have a science
without the assumption that human behaviors are quantifiable and
predictable? How about "Here are the data; I'm not sure what they say
exactly...they might say x or y". Much less exciting than, "These data
demonstrate the true phenomenon of x or y".....

Maybe I'm making too much of a leap here...what do people think?

Tor Neilands                            Computation Center
Systems Analyst                      University of Texas at Austin
Statistical Services Group        Internet: TBN@Utxvm.cc.utexas.edu

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 because the stakes are so low".                         --- Wallace Sayre

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From:         Tor Neilands <tbn@UTXVM.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: the matching hypothesis

>        By the way, if any of you who know me say I look like my
>dog... (Matt Prull, Tor, etc. etc.)  ;-)

Of course not! We would never say something so obviously outrageous and
untrue about you! It's not that way at all....your dog looks like you, not
the other way around! :-)

>Also, has anyone besides me noticed that as per conference
>presentaions (posters, anyway) attrativeness seems to be the zeitgeist
>right now???

Only the more "exotic" attraction and body motion research--you know, the
stuff where they put tiny lights on participants' joints and hands, feet,
etc. and then have other participants judge their movements, etc....it's
all getting very mechanistic and specific. I'm afraid the days of the
"getting acquainted coke (not cocaine--coca cola!!) date" studies are long
gone....

I've noticed more AIDS research and multiculturally-based research at more
recent conventions than I have previously. Not particularly surprising, I
guess.

>trace
>
>___________________________________________________________________
>         Tracy Moncrief ~ The Claremont Graduate School
>Department of Psychology      Internet: moncriet@cgsvax.claremont.edu
>Claremont, CA 91711              Bitnet:   moncriet@clargrad
>
>
>There is a charm about the forbidden that makes it
>unspeakably desirable.                  Mark Twain
>
> Love is either madness, or nothing at all.
>
>        Milan Kundera
>
>Ninety percent of everything is crap.
>                                        Theodore Sturgeon
>*************************************************************

cheers,

Tor

Tor Neilands                            Computation Center
Systems Analyst                      University of Texas at Austin
Statistical Services Group        Internet: TBN@Utxvm.cc.utexas.edu

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From:         Rick Adams <adamsr@AIS.ORG>
Subject:      Re: SES Measure for Kids
              93 05:25:56 pm

        Just as a concept for consideration. Most credit departments of
larger firms (and presumably credit bureaus) have lists which essentiall
"code" neighborhoods based on the economic class of the residents which are
used for the purposes of credit approval. If you were to couple the data
being supplied by the children with a cross reference to their address on
such a list, you would have a pretty good means of "weeding out" those cases
in which the responses didn't match the SES of the family.

        I would suspect that many larger firms would be very willing to
share that information with an academic institution for little or no cost as
a "good will" gesture in the community. Stores such as Sears, Wards, etc.
all have a tendancy to support local educational endeavors.

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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:03:03 -0500
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From:         11PDOBOSH@GALLUA.BITNET
Subject:      OCD reference

The book that Mike Babyak was referring to, I think, is "The Boy Who
Couldn't Stop Washing - The Experience and Treatment of Obsessive-Compulsive
Disorder"  by Judith L. Rapoport, which is published by Signet.  I just
got it so I don't know how good it is.
                                Patrish' Dobosh
                                Gallaudet University
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Date:         Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:34:16 -0500
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From:         20SSMITH@GALLUA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: gangs, boys, men, women, mothers, fathers.. etc

Phillip, I've been out of town for several days and am catching up on the
gang discussion which I see is coming to an end.  Your comment is an interesting
one and a point of view I haven't heard raised with regards to gang behavior
possibly being more akin to tribal behavior.  On the other hand I often hear
the other argument you posed about psychoanalytic theory being eurocentric and
therefore invalid in its application to the Black community.  I'll have to
chew on this for a while and see how the two points come together for me.
Thanks for your thoughts.

Sybil
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From:         Stephanie Fishkin <fishkin@SCF.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Prisoner's Dilemma
              "mssg3304@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU" at Jan 25, 93 2:28 pm

OK, so I'm not reading my mail as closely as I should. I thought you were
asking for materials on the Zimbardo Prison Study, not the Prisoner's
Dilemma.  Sorry for the posting!

SF
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From:         Stephanie Fishkin <fishkin@SCF.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Prisoner's Dilemma
              "GORDONSE@IRIS.UNCG.EDU" at Jan 25, 93 12:14 pm

>
> A friend who is not connected to PSYCGRAD needs some information
> about the Prisoner's Dilemma.
>
> Does anyone know if there is a set of Prisoner's Dilemma
> materials which are available for purchase for running
> the experiment and/or does anyone know where the instructions
> are for making them?
>
> Any other info or suggestions for "don't miss references"
> would be appreciated as well.
>
> Sharon Gordon
> GORDONSE@UNCG.BITNET
> gordonse@iris.uncg.edu
>

Sharon you're kidding, right? No human subjects committee in their right
minds would approve this study (unless it was so cleverly worded that it
got by or the P.I. was some big-wig...) today!  See the previous posting for
the ref, though (thanks to whoever posted it!).

SF
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From:         Kathryn Irene Snyder <IRENES@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: ACTION ALERT!!

Matthew,
I would gladly nominate you, I think you've done a remarkable job with
Psycgrad-all. I am an affiliate of APS: does that count? I am not 100%
clear on the relationship between APA and APS when it comes to things
like this.
Irene Snyder
irenes@unc.bitnet
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From:         "JOHN R. KRAFT" <KRAFT@NUHUB.BITNET>
Subject:      More Bathroom Talk (Out on a limb)

I'm feelin awfully darn giddy tonite and I have been thinking.
Dangerous  combo.  Mostly I have been  thinking about the Middlemist
personal space invasion study which took place in a men's bathroom.

The authors justified the use of a bathroom because it lent itself
to the study of personal space invasion.  A subject in a space invasion
study usually has several coping devices at his/her disposal.
The subject can back away (very common), use hands or arms to make a barrier
between the invader and him/herself. Men in a bathroom, once having chosen
a urinal to use, are extremely committed to using that urinal. (please note
that I am being slightly facetious in this post) And a man's hands, at least
one, but often times both, are busy. Tee hee.

So I started a little introspection going trying to recall my private
thoughts when my personal space was invaded.  That's when I remembered
a few incidents so embarassing that I swore I would never share them.
But then I thought - why am I on this list and what the point of thinking
about things if I am not going to share them.  So ( as I take a deep breath)
here is one of the ways I remember reacting when personal space was invaded.

Dear god I hope I am not the only one who has ever done this.
If I am - I deny ever doing it.

Once my personal space was invaded, I reacted much the way Middlemist's
subjects did.  My external urethral sphincter constricted  and onset
of micturation was delayed.  (Boy, I know I am nervous when I start
using words like micturation). This is a very conspicuous moment in a
young man's life.  So I immediately start thinking of running water or
envision Niagara Falls on a rainy day. All the time trying push out any thoughts
   of what the personal space invader could be thinking me.  Finally, micturatio
   n
occurs. Phew!  So to save face, I would make sure there were splashing sounds
in the bottom of the urinal so that the personal space invader knew that
I was no longer constricting my external urethral sphincter and , hence,
A REAL MAN!!!!

Now I feel silly about making such a big deal about this post.  Anyway, Are
there any other coping devices used in the mens room?  I am the only one?
If this post about bathroom behavior is offending anyone, let me know.
It really meant to be fun more than anything.

         ^is


Have a great weekend everyone.

John R. Kraft
(Kraft@northeastern.edu)
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From:         Matthew Simpson <054340@UOTTAWA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Current announcement of PSYGRD-J

On Tue, 1 Dec 1992 18:17:00 PST DON GALLOGLY said:
>>The purpose of the journal is to publish, from the graduate student
>>perspective, professional-level articles in the field of psychology.
>>The PSYCGRAD Journal is primarily published and written by graduate
>>students in psychology.  It is targeted for anyone interested in the
>>field of psychology.
>
>Matthew,
>
>I have a few questions regarding the new journal. How do you reference an
>electronic journal?  How will the vol. no., page no. bit work?  How often will
>issues be published?
>
>Don
>GALLOGLY@CWU.bitnet

RE: how to reference the journal.  Did you ever find the answer to that one?
Someone sent me a photocopy on that one.  It was lengthy, so i put it aside
at the time.  I'll be looking into it later.  Did you get your answer?

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The book I was referring  to was not  The Boy Who Could not Stop Washing,
which is geared toward a popular audience.  OCD in Children is a more
scholarly book.  The Boy.. however does make for interesting reading too.
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From:         Todd D Nelson <nelsont1@STUDENT.MSU.EDU>
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              "ACAD1159%SLCSL.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU" at Jan 27, 93 9:39 pm

> To all "cowplop" fans, greetings from the Thousand Islands.  Hang on
> to your ten-gallon hats!  The CFL (Canadian Football League) is
> expanding into the U.S.  Just wait 'til the Ottawa Roughriders hit
> town!
>
> Regards,
> Bert Headrick, Health Science, Brockville
>

I'm sorry, :) (hee,hee)

I just couldn't keep a straight face when I read the name of the canadian
team: "OTTAWA ROUGHRIDERS" ha,ha,ha,ha

Still giggling,

Todd D. Nelson
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From:         THOMPSOK@CGSVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Ethics

Our program, here at Claremont Graduate School, does not require any ethics
courses.  However, the Management dept. offers an Ethics for Managers class
which a number of psych students take to supplement their organizational
psych curriculum.

Karen
Thompsok@cgsvax.claremont.edu
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From:         Tim Tumlin <UFTRT@NERVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: More on Bathroom behavior studies. (try again)

Barry,

   If someone didn't like the personal space invasion methodology in studying
men, I'll bet they'll hate a study of women.
   I'm wondering if this is related to women's tendency to go to the
bathroom together. Perhaps they are motivated by personal space invasion
instead of inhibited, like us guys. I also wonder if there's a good
sociobiological explanation, like the men who preferred more space during
urination while out on the hunt had more reproductive success than those
who got too close to their fellow hunters.  Then there's also a good
psychoanalytic interpretation ... which is obvious.
Tim
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From:         "JOHN P. KLINE" <KLINE@ARIZVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Corn-ventions

WPA is having a joint meeting with RMPA this spring in Phoenix... If my
abstracts are accepted for presentation, I will be there with bells on!

John Kline
Department of Psychology
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ

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From:         Stephanie Fishkin <fishkin@SCF.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Stereotyping
              27, 93 4:18 am

Todd--
Can you elaborate on how the acrophases were determined? Did Bodenhausen
use a previously validated measure of circadian cycles?  It's an
interesting hypothesis he's put forth, but please give me more info!
SF

PS  For now, let's stick to Stephanie or SF, OK?
:)
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From:         GORDONSE@IRIS.UNCG.EDU
Organization: University of NC at Greensboro
Subject:      Prisoner's Dilemma

A friend who is not connected to PSYCGRAD needs some information
about the Prisoner's Dilemma.

Does anyone know if there is a set of Prisoner's Dilemma
materials which are available for purchase for running
the experiment and/or does anyone know where the instructions
are for making them?

Any other info or suggestions for "don't miss references"
would be appreciated as well.

Sharon Gordon
GORDONSE@UNCG.BITNET
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From:         Stephanie Fishkin <fishkin@SCF.USC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: SES Measure for Kids
              93 2:57 pm

Rick--

Very thought provoking post.
We have asked kids in the past to tell us how much their parents make.  For
this we get a 20% "don't know" rate (that's losing a lot of good data there).
We've also asked them to write in their parent's job, but this too gets a
lot of lost responses, since many kids know where their parents work
(e.g., Mc Donald's, Payne-Webber), but they don't know what their parent's
actual job IS (also, this is a small grant and we don't have the funds
to cover the time it would take to code all 900 responses by hand...).

SF
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