HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace)
Subject: Vidiot (was Re: Messages on rec.arts.startrek)
Keywords: Vidiot == Machine?
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:30:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.173054.28142@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:

[Lot's deleted...]

>Vidiot is a machine in Wisconsin, I believe.  

	Really?  And, all this time, I thought he as a human by the name
of Michael L. Brown...  Wow, they must be running some advanced AI program
on that machine.  It's certainly convincing.  (I even sent it money for
its TNG guide.)

(-; (-; (-; (-; (-; (-; (-; (-; (-; ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

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"Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-
 bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to
 the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space. Listen..." - THGTTG

Gene Roddenberry: 1921-1991.  You will be missed.
May your dream "Live long and prosper".
From: Laura_Halliday@mindlink.bc.ca (Laura Halliday)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ST:TNG & homosexuality
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:48:41 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Sigh. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I have exactly zero interest
in episodes that are `about' homosexuality. What I want to see is intelligently
integrated lesbigay folks in ST:TNG.

I want to see the occasional same-sex couple flirting in 10-Forward.
I want to see the occasional same-sex couple at social engagements.
I want to see the occasional same-sex couple in the corridors.
I want to see the occasional same-sex couple interacting with the regular cast.

If not couples, then at least people who are clearly other than straight...

...laura who doesn't usually grumble this loudly
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From: ian@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ian Littlewood)
Subject: Re: STNG sucks!!!
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: dal
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 18:51:08 GMT

In <1992Sep6.082014.27021@unlv.edu> sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter) writes:

>Great...not even a week goes by since I've started following this
>newsgroup again, and we're already getting drivel like this:

>In article <Sep06.052102.20138@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>>Keywords: 	Listen all of you fags out there, there's only one real Star

>No fags here...but I won't speak for anybody else.

>>Trek and that's
>>	the original.  This New Generation shit has boring plots, just a lot of good

>New Generation?  I thought that was some sort of anti-baldness
>treatment...or the group of people that supposedly drink Pepsi (yecch).

>>	special effects -  so what.  It's the script that counts and Shatner's
>>portrayal
>>	of Kirk was perfect.  I've watched a few episodes and I don't see the
>>suspense ,
>>	the action, or the wit of the "real" Star Trek.    Stop denying the
>>truth to your-
>>	selves, STNG sucks!!!

>I could make some sort of "microbrain" comment, but I won't.  If you
>don't like the show, don't watch it.  Each of the two series has its
>merits...TOS is, as you write, more action-oriented.  TNG, on the
>other hand, is more cerebral and requires a slightly more active
>thought process (more active than yours, perhaps? <zing> ) to
>comprehend.

>  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
> / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!                      Fidonet: 1:209/765
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HA! I agree with the original poster -- there is only * 1 * Star Trek... and that
is "STAR TREK", not this TNG rubbish. Star Trek is action-oriented, yes... but
TNG more cerebral??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????!!!!!!!!!!! 
Baking powder... exsqueeze me? It's so damn slow (cerebrally speaking) that a 
corpse on valium could outpace it... they never go anywhere and every show is
an excuse to spend 50 minutes ferrying diplomats around the galaxy, agonizing
over the Prime Directive and then finding an excuse at the end to break it and let 
Patrick Stewart make a grandiose speech about morality and ethics... PATHETIC!
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Subject: Is gawch live or replicated?
From: sdavies@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 15 Sep 92 10:40:17 MDT
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

When Riker served on an exchange aboard a Klingon vessel, he was given gawch to
eat.  It is my contention that Gawch is carried live in the Klingon galley, but
a friend thinks it is generated from a replicator the same way food is prepared
aboard the Enterprise.

I remember when Picard was being smuggled to the Romulan home planet to meet
Spock, he was offerred gawch, of which he diplomatically approved, saying, "Ah,
gawch, very fresh."
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Creation convention on 9/5
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:09:11 GMT

In article <8267.29816@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> scherf@maple.swdc.stratus.com (Steve Scherf) writes:
>
>According to this woman:

My guess would be Jeri Taylor, who this year is to become one of the show's
main producers (since the old producers have DS9 to get off the ground).
Hardly "just another bureaucrat."

>
>1] The sixth season is a done deal. They're signed up for the usual 26 episodes.
>
>2] The seventh season is still in negotiations, and is a definite possibility.
>
>3] They read the net.

	Wicked!


	don't suppose we could send them via email could we?
	Would save a LOT on paper and postage, (helping the planet
	out a bit).
	Since we now know they're reading the net.....

>4] They are accepting unsolicited potential scripts from anyone this season.
>   This is apparently a new policy.
>
>She also mentioned something interesting in passing. Remember the episode where
>Picard is stuck on some planet with the captain of an alien ship, and they can't
>communicate because of the weird syntax of the alien's language? The whole
>sequence down on the planet was filmed directly beneath the giant Hollywood
>sign.
>

	Well, that's certainly a much better use of the area than drapig
a hundred-foot cutout of a cartoon seductress over it.....


"People are only in danger when they are miserable."

Steven Manfred

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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: ramblings
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:08:02 GMT

rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:

>"The Offspring", "Sarek" and "Tin Man" all missed entirely with me; nice try,
>but no thanks.  This isn't soap opera, y'know.  

Oh.  Right.  Yeah, and that "Journey to Babel" thing; I mean, how much more
soap-opera-ish can you *get* than having one of the main characters try to 
reconcile with an estranged father?  Yeesh.

Michael?  There are these things called "generalizations" which you're usually
good at avoiding.  You blew this one.  "Soap opera" is a code word, it seems,
for "things I don't like" in this case.  Try to be a little more specific.

>Among the later episodes, the standouts I think include "Contagion", "Time
>Squared", "The Survivor", "The Best Of Both Worlds", "Remember Me" and
>"Cause And Effect".  TNG just isn't that great at character stories...

Like "Time Squared", BOBW1, and "Remember Me".  Right.  (Huh?)

>>I have to agree more with Jonathan Frakkes comments on the TNG  "When its 
>>good, it's one of the best shows on Television and when its bad, it's still 
>>good"

>When it's bad, it's AWFUL.

Here I agree.  Really, really bad TNG can be well beyond unpleasant.

Tim Lynch
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: STNG sucks!!!
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:02:37 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <eDLqqB1w165w@ailanth.UUCP> tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver) writes:
>ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep7.030236.3477@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu
>> (Eileen Simpson) writes:
>> >Whatever you say about TOS, it didn't infict brainless Betazoids on the
>> >airwaves, and if any kids came aboard, they got rid of them at the next stop

>Instead TOS inflicted us with a brainless Spock! :)

Yeah, but only for one episode. :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, and only one person were of the
contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one
person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
                                                      -John Stuart Mill
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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: STNG sucks!!!
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:51:15 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca

In <1992Sep11.185322.16928@ioe.ac.uk> teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT) writes:

>In <1992Sep11.104021.23765@newshost.unh.edu> ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace) writes:
>
>>main difference between them seems to be that Kirk makes his own decisions
>>about what to do, whereas Picard constantly seems at a loss for what to
>>do, and always resorts to asking his crew (or, surrendering; he's got that
>>one down ;-)).  Sure there were more battles in TOS, but that's not because
>
>Well, of the top of my head I can think of three instances in the TOS films
>where Kirk surrenders. (Raspberry sound)!
>
>And the crew still manage to look stunned each time!
>
>Ian J Davenport   MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY   IJD@uk.ac.ucl.mssl

 
Just a brief comment. Captain Picard uses two types of leadership style.
The one we most often see is the "consultive" style. Thats where he looks
around the table and asks for opinions. Time permiting this is a very good
style as it give the CO ideas he may not have thouught of. The other is the
"directive" style. The CO makes the decision based on training and
experience with no consultation at all.

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Internet: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com
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From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Subject: Re: STNG sucks!!!
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 23:46:50 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

In article <1992Sep9.110330.10211@newshost.unh.edu> ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace) writes:
>	I return to the Net after a long summer and what do I find?  Your
>all STILL having TOS vs. TNG flamewars...  Ah, it's good to be back... ;-)

Actually, this one started just a few days back.  Guess somebody was
warming things up for your return.  Welcome back. ;-)

>||  Robert A. Seace  ||  Junior at UNH  ||  E-mail: ras@kepler.unh.edu  ||
>||    AKA: Agrajag   ||     CS major    ||  or, maybe: ras@nic.unh.edu  ||

-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  quirk@pioneer.unm.edu
 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Sanctuary
Date: 6 Sep 92 21:49:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Sep6.144911.1329
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <1992Sep6.083451.27431@unlv.edu> sknkwrks@unlv.edu (Scott Alfter) writes:

>Title: Sanctuary
>Author: John Vornholt
>Era: TOS
>Summary: Kirk/Spock/McCoy follow a pirate to the surface of a
>criminals' sanctuary and have a hell of a time trying to escape.
>
>Finished reading this novel a few nights ago...thought it was a good
>read.  I'm hardly one of the net.book-critics, but I thought the story
>was put together in a sensible, enjoyable manner.  There's something
>in the story that's been bugging me a bit the past few days.
>
>There be spoilers here...
>
>
>
>After reading the story, I thought the Senites (the androgynous race
>that runs Sanctuary) were similar to the Borg (of TNG infamy) in more
>than a few ways.  First, people who enter Sanctuary are never allowed
>to leave; a shield at about 30 km altitude stops outward passage of
>powered aircraft/spacecraft.  Once the Borg get hold of a sizable
>group of people, they won't let go of them.  More significant than
>that, though, is the way the Senites propagate themselves.  They don't
>have any means of reproduction, so they take the riffraff that land on
>their world (common criminals, as opposed to political criminals) and
>lobotomize/castrate them.  The "Senites" are actually a mix of
>different races that have been assimilated.  (Where else have we seen
>that word used?)  The Senites also like to think they live a better
>way of life than the rest of us...so do the Borg.
>
>Something to think about...
>
>  _/_   Scott Alfter                             Internet: sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu
> / v \  Call the Skunk Works BBS today!                      Fidonet: 1:209/765
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Ahh! But lest you forget, the Borg have been around for a great many
centuries... This, according to Guinan, when the destroyed her race a
couple of centuries ago... Thus, the Senites could not be the forbarers of
the Borg...A curious race, yes, but forbarers, no.

Dave
From: landrews@outb.wimsey.bc.ca (Luke Andrews)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: STNG sucks!!!
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:44:57 PDT
Organization: Wizard Online

>Hear, hear!  The only way to make up for "The Cost of Living" and similar
>dreck is to have an episode where they gather all the children together
>and kill them.  It could be promoted the same way Jack in the Box did
>when they got rid their clown:  exploding children.

While I may or may not be in support of children being on the Enterprise, I might point out that the Enterprise could go back to whatever planet it was on 1st season When The Bough Breaks, and dump all their children there.

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Just when you thought it was safe to read the group - O'BRIEN RANK 2!!
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:50:29 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: University of Virginia

Yes, a sequel you never hoped you'd see....
just what is Miles Edward O'Brien's rank anyway?


When we were arguing about this at the end of last season, one of the
perpetual arguments on the Chief Petty Officer side kept coming back
to haunt us, and I couldn't think of a way to refute it.

The other day I rewatched "The Mind's Eye," and now I think I can try.

The argument I speak of is the one where in "Where Silence Has Lease,"
Riker calls the character at the transporter console "Lieutenant,"
and this person is played by Colm Meaney in the same uniform that we
are accustomed to seeing him in nowadays.

We all assumed this was O'Brien, as was the Conn officer back in 
"Encounter at Farpoint" (also Colm), but the argument people came back
at us with was that at this point in the series, this guy wasn't called
O'Brien yet, an Colm was being used as a general extra, therefore we
could not assume that this person Riker calls Lieutenant is the same
Miles O'Brien we meet later.

And I have to agree with that....until....

In "The Mind's Eye," there is a holodeck simulation where the Romulan
brainwashers are testing Geordi's killing abilities in a simulation
of Ten-Forward.  They look across the room, and the Romulan asks,
"Commander, who is that sitting over there?"
Geordi answers him, "That's Chief O'Brien."
"How long have you known him, " asks the Romulan.
"Almost four years," responds Geordi, and then they tell him to walk over
and shoot him.

At this time in the series, the Enterprise has also been in operation for
almost four years, so this means both Geordi and O'Brien have been on
board the Enterprise since the very beginning or at least very close to
the very beginning.
Now, I ask you, if we know O'Brien was serving on the Enterprise at
the time of "Where Silence Has Lease," and we see someone who looks and
speaks EXACTLY like him, even doing the same thing we've always seen
him doing since (transporter operation), isn't it reasonable to say
that this man we see in the episode IS O'Brien?
considering the alternative, that there is an identical twin or clone
to O'Brien at loose on the transporter controls of the Enterprise, 
I think it is VERY reasonable to say that the "lieutenant" Riker
talks to in "Where Silence Has Lease" is definitely O'Brien.

Thus O'Brien is a Lieutenant.  I know the writers' guides and the writers
want him to be a Chief Petty Officer, but to do so will constitute
a continuity error, unless they say that his rank of Lieutenant is
temporary to his assignment on the Enterprise.
From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Prime Directive
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 92 22:08:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Shacha Gary & PuterDude(?)!

[gls] In article <1992Sep1.165352.28770@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com>
      puter@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com (PuterDude) writes:
      >
      >Yo Sem,
      >       I'm not good with titles, but I remember the episode where Kirk
      >was on trial for jettisoning Finney without declaring red alert first.
      >In it, he admitted to the blonde_dated_her_prosecutor that he had
      >broken the Prime Directive (I forget how many) times.
Ooops, this comment didn't make it to me! >8-( The episode's Court Martial,
and I think, since there's nothing interesting on TV anyway, I shall watch
it again.

[gls] "I've been jettisoned, and I can't get up!"
Gary, what is this supposed to express?

Oyori - Sem [curious in Northern Germany]
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From: CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CXMP)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: RE: Test
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:50:41 GMT
Organization: McGill University

In article <14SEP92.10945662.0073@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CXMP <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>You are witnessing the birth of a new Net God.  All that remains
>now is for me to see if my signature works.

Damn!
From: jpw@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Q and Guinan(sp?)
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:35:43 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA


> 
>>You've edited the text that precedes the section that you excerpted.  It
>>says something to the effect of "what is Q's connection to Guinan?", to
>>which I sarcastically replied with the above.
>>
>>
>>
>>In other words, it was a joke.  Nothing against you, Rebecca, but I
>>should have learned by now that when ever you make a joke like this,
>>even if it's something to the effect of "episode #76 gives clear
>>evidence of Kirk's hidden epilepsy problem," someone will say "hey!
>>when did that happen?  Is that one of the lost episodes?"
>>
>Hey, why not?  Stranger things have happened!   :-)
> 
> 


Q and Guinan used to be married. They were divorced just a few years before
the Enterprise-D was commissioned. It was bitter. Just read the book...
From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: STNG sucks!!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:06:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <18lj3gINNqu@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>In article <BuBM6z.LxJ@cs.dal.ca> ian@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ian Littlewood) writes:
>}Both Q and the Borg are child's play compared to the Organians, Trelane
>}or V'ger.
>
>Q's more powerful than the Organians.  Q even said he was omnipotent.

From Ghostbusters. I think it was Winston Zedmore (maybe
Peter Vehnkman?) who said to Ray Stantz:

"Ray, if someone asks you if you're a god you say YES!"

Joshua
From: sll28@cc.usu.edu (Lorna Payne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Data's cat
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:13:21 MDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Utah State University

In article <1992Sep14.122654.1@ssdvax.mdcbbs.com>, cuy@ssdvax.mdcbbs.com writes:
> In article <92256.130956KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep12.184419.12662@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,
>>>In <1992Sep12.161202.29473@ERA.COM> paradis@ERA.COM (Lisa Berkenbilt) writes:
>>>
>>>>I'm trying to get some info on Data's cat.  I have seen the pretty
>>>>kitty in the episodes In Theory and Data's Day.  Is she in any other
>>>>episodes?? When did she first show up?? How did he get the cat in the
>>>>first place??  Why is she named Spot (or is there more to the name
>>>>than that)??
>> 
>> Um, you should listen closer.  The cat's name is _Spot_.  In fact, in
>> one episode whose name escapes me, Geordi asks Data, "Spot??  Why Spot?"
>> and Data explains that he researched the traditional names of human
>> pets, and found that "Spot" was the most common.  Geordi explains that
>> Spot is a _dog's_ name, but if that's what Data chose... :-)
>> 
>>                                              -- Mike Kelsey
>> 

Since we're starting the "pet names in Star Trek" thread again, I feel
it is now the appropriate time to quietly mention that *my* cat's name
is Spot, too.  And my Spot was named before Data's.  And my Spot really
is spotted. As Spock would say, my Spot is an autological cat, and 
Data's Spot is heterological.

So there. :-)

Lorna

     -------------------------------------------------------------
               Lorna Payne
               Certified Math Geek and Grammarian
     -------------------------------------------------------------
     The concept is simply staggering.  Pointless, but staggering.
                         -The Doctor (The Pirate Planet)
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From: jpw@lorelei.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Who's got the best beam-out?
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:25:05 GMT
Organization: Drexel University, Philadelphia PA

The woman who played 'devil' to the people on the planet (I dont recall the
episode name) had a neato beamout.

Her name was Ardva, or darva, or dardra, ardvark, or something. Anyone
remember? 
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