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Subject: Re: Dog Wetting Self
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:57:43 EDT
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Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <KMURPHY.93Jan21162850@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu> kmurphy@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu writes:

<stuff about DES vs. PPA (Dexatrim) deleted>

Here's what my friend Len Howard (gynecologist-to-humans) says about this:

     Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 03:09:24 HST
     Subject: Re: DES vs. Dexatrim

     Ruth, the bladder and urethra in the female are also estrogen
     sensitive organs, so spaying the dog creates an estrogen deficiency
     that will result in thinning of the bladder, urethral and vaginal
     mucosa, which makes them more susceptible to infection.  Treating
     with DES will thicken the mucosa in all three organs and increase
     the resistance to disease.  Works the same way in humans, too,
     which is another fringe benefit of Estrogen Replacement Therapy.
     Cheers,                                Len Howard


So, basically, I take it that DES for a spayed bitch is equivalent to estrogen
replacement therapy (e.g. Premarin) for a human female who's had a
hysterectomy.  (Some women even are prescribed Estrogen Replacement therapy at
normal menopause; this is controversial though.)  ERT in humans also is thought
to protect women against osteoporosis (a bone-weakening disease).  I don't know
if dogs get osteoporosis or not.

PPA, on the other hand, is a decongestant which also has the property of
tightening sphincter muscles.  Steve Dyer (pharmacology genius of sci.med)
speculates that the main harm of giving dogs Dexatrim is that Dexatrim comes in
a doseage size appropriate to a 50kg person, so it is too high a dose for most
dogs.  In humans it can also cause high blood pressure, especially at high
doses, but then again, in humans high estrogen level (e.g. DES) has been linked
to breast cancer and obesity.  PPA is found in many Over-The-Counter (human)
cough, cold, allergy & diet remedies, and has been judged to be relatively safe
(for humans) by the FDA.  It should not be used by humans with thyroid problems
(& probably not for dogs with thyroid problems, either -- which are not
particularly rare in older bitches).

So basically, it seems to come down to this:  which drug is safer for your
particular spayed bitch depends on the Particular dog and her Particular
veterinary history.  What's best for one dog might be really bad for another,
depending on what other veterinary conditions or susceptibilities she has.


------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: karenp@sybase.com (Karen Paulsell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: HOWLING
Date: 20 Jan 93 04:33:45 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

Several of the dogs in my neighborhood howl at sirens, a canine
chorus of many voices.

My dog, however, howls at the ice cream truck. Only one of them,
with a kind of scratchy sounding music. Howls and howls and howls.
At least, the guy started turning off the music if he was stopped
for a long time. Maybe they'll get the music fixed by next summer...
From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Chiengora ==> was ==> Re: samoyeds
Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:36:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
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In a previous article, myerse@spot.Colorado.EDU (MYERS ETHELLA ANN) says:

>  If I brush Shiloh regulary, especially during shed times, I can reduce
>  the amount of hair in the house significantly.  Spring shedding is actually
>  kind of cool.  There is something really satisfying about filling up
>  several sacks with hair you've removed from your dog.  I've heard that
>  some people have woven shed sammy hair into hats and sweaters. Shiloh
>  is biscuit and cream, so his hair would make a really pretty sweater.
>
>-Ann
>**************************************************************************
>E. Ann Myers                                    eam@paleosun.ngdc.noaa.gov
>(303) 497-6467
>**************************************************************************
>
I think what you are referring to is called "chiengora."  (Sort of a combo
of the french word for dog and the word angora, I guess.)

There was an entire chapter on it in a Samoyed book that I saw once and the
articles that were made were beautiful!  One lady had made a rug out of the
hair from her dogs.  Many years of brushings from many dogs to get that
much material.

I think that it must be the brushings and that clippings don't work because
the cut fibers (is there a weaver or spinner in the audience who can add
to this?) don't catch on each other when the yarn is twisted????  Any breed
with a soft undercoat is a potential source of the fibers for yarn.  I seem
to also remember that Elkhound was supposed to make a really nice yarn as well as
most northern breeds being great for providers.  Just for kicks, once when
the Airedale was in an exceptionally long-coated state, I took the
brushings and twisted up about a foot of yarn.  It was really neat and the
texture was intriguing with the soft coat forming most of the yarn and the
longer outer coat hair giving some contrast in color and texture.

Why do I envision Stephen Lee wearing a hat made of his dog's hair next
winter?  <grin>

Oh yes, they also said that a lot of the time it is best to mix the dog
hair with another fiber but I can't remember why they recommended that
part.

Just thought that folks would be interested in this.

Gail Brookhart
ce293@cleveland.freenet.edu

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From: mok@pa.dec.com (Charles Mok)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,ca.wanted,ba.general,misc.misc,rec.pets
Subject: Business fax directory for Bay Area?
Date: 22 Jan 1993 09:39:14 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
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Is there any business fax number directory for the Bay Area?

Charles

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From: kmoser@mail.boi.hp.com (Kathy_Moser)
Subject: Re: Help with Tissue-eating Dogs!
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:34:52 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
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: We have moved the
: trash can, tried black pepper, red pepper, and tobasco sauce, used
: set mouse traps, but Molly and Kelsey are not easily deterred!

We tried spraying the trash daily with bitter apple.  Our lab was not
deterred by cayenne, but fortunately she does not like bitter apple.  She
hardly even checks the trash can anymore, so we only have to spray it once
in awhile.  The initial effort took 2-3 weeks.

				Kathy Moser
				Hewlett-Packard, Network Printer Division
				Boise, ID

From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:09:37 GMT
Subject: Re: mutts vs. purebreds
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

I don't mean to sound like a party pooper, but if your dog stands out there
and barks, she's creating a neighborhood nuisance and if she were mine, I
would not let her out there unsupervised.  Neighbors in my neck of the woods
call the cops about stuff like that.

Obedience training your dog helps a lot.... example, my Sheltie will start
barking, and I'll say "Fido, that's enough".  He is supposed to stop.  If 
he doesn't, I say "Fido, come", he comes, and I say "Good boy!  Fido, no
barking, that's enough.  Release."  If he starts barking again, I verbally
correct him.  But having the obedience training creates the foundation for
him to understand the kind of feedback I'm giving him.

by the way, his name is not really Fido.

Good luck.
From: ADMINN04@clvm.clarkson.edu (Michael Griffin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Sorry!
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:37:13 GMT
Organization: Clarkson University

Sorry! My first time posting & the previous message is NOT what I meant to send
. I'll try again with this test & post the message later if this works.
 
 
MICHAEL P. GRIFFIN <ADMINN04@CLVM.CLARKSON.EDU>
CLARKSON UNIVERSITY
 
"CANIS MEUS ID COMEDIT!"
From: twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Todd Wallace)
Subject: Re: Flame?
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:57:47 GMT

Do wolves, coyotes, or other wild dogs have dew claws?
From: twv@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Terry Von Gease)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:10:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Looking for James Herriot  8)
Organization: the Lodi Home for the Bald
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

>/ hpcss01:rec.pets.dogs / isc40041@nusunix1.nus.sg (LOO KOK HOE) / 11:49 pm  Jan 22, 1993 /
>[ Article crossposted from rec.pets.cats ]
>[ Author was  ]
>[ Posted on Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:02:44 GMT ]
>
>Hi People!
>
>I am trying to locate the address of  James Herriot ...
>the author of animal books such as 
>
>"Vets might fly", "Its shouldn't happen to a vet",
>"The Lord God made them all", ...
>
>All I know that he is in Yorkshire in UK ...
>I will be going to UK this May, 
>so thinking of getting his autograph  ... 8)
>
>
>george

You might try looking for Bob Smith, which is what I think his name
really is.

Terry
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From: dag@seldon.control.lth.se (Dag Bruck)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Organization: Department of Automatic Control, Lund, Sweden
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:33:49 GMT

In <rec.pets.dogs> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
>....  Right now, at this very moment (or MONTH), my
>neighbor in one direction has a bitch in heat and the neighbor in the other
>direction has an un-neutered male.  Even though these two neighbors keep their
>dogs inside (except for necesssary walks) -- guess what?  They SMELL each
>other, and they are very frustrated not to be able to "be with" one another. 

>Every time either neighbor walks or exercises his/her dog, BOTH dogs set up a
>din of whining, barking, even howling that would wake the dead.

From this far away the situation sounds hillarious, but I understand
that you feel differently about it.

I still think this is mainly an owner problem.  I think it is apalling
that the dog is allowed to whine, bark, howl, etc. WHEN THE OWNER
WALKS IT. When I wrote "control over your dog" that also implied that
you can tell your dog to shut up.

Correcting barking and howling when the owner is away is a much harder
problem, and I don't know how effective various methods are.

I do not dispute that castration of the dogs would stop the noise.
Castration is an easy solution to some problems.

Ok, this has not so much to do with the overpopulation problem.


				-- Dag


PS: Please help me to find the correct word.  "Spay" relates to
bithes and "neuter" to dogs; what is the sex-neutral word?  I have
used "castration" which is the Swedish word used (translated, of
course).
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Is pointing behavior innate?
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 17:29:31 GMT

>>I'd always thought our dog was a mix of a Great Dane and black Lab.
>>We adopted him at about 3 yrs old and had no information from the
>>previous owner.  However, when he stalks squirrels in our yard,
>>he takes on what I'd call a pointing position: Front left leg
>>bent up and held off the ground, tail straight out, rigid body.
>>He'll hold this position for up to 3 minutes, then slowly begin
>>to move toward whatever it is he sees.
>
My parents Lab did this all the time.  They live on the water and have
a bulkhead and pier.  A blue heron used to perch on one of the pier
pilings every morning.  Our Lab would walk along the top of the bulkhead
exactly how you describe, trying to sneak up on the heron (he never got
close).  We called it his jaguar walk. 


schalene
From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: My Dog Rights with the Police (Was Re: Animal Activists at Dog SHows)
Date: 21 Jan 1993 12:44:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, russ@wpg.com (Russell Lawrence) says:

>From article <1993Jan20.152144.16397@newshost.lanl.gov>, by crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby):
>> 
>> Another very good reason for *not* reporting such activities to the
>> media is that the *free publicity* would be just what such people
>> would like.
>> ...
>> And whether these crazies (good choice of words, Marget)
>> *officially* represent any group or not is small consolation to the
>> victims--including, in some cases, the taxpayer.
>
>One of the best ways to deal with craziness in any society is to
>promote an open and honest exchange of information.   Any group
>that tries to operate on rumors or misinformation or secrecy won't 
>have much chance of success in the end.  At best, its members will
>ignore real problems, while preparing for non-existent ones.  At
>worst, they risk becoming "crazies" themselves... like 1950's
>politicians who saw commies behind every bush or 1980's 
>fundamentalists who saw "satan" in every shadow.
>
>If these attacks really occurred, as Marget says, it's truly a 
>shame that the AKC has decided to deny them.  It's an even 
>greater shame that none of the victims, the attendees, or 
>the organizers of the events ever bothered to call the police.
>
>-- 
>Russell Lawrence, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000
>russ@wpg.com   uunet!wpg!russ
>
I can think of one reason not to call the police.  They don't give a
"BLEEP" about dogs!  One night I took my dogs out to the backyard for
"night deposits" without realizing that the back of my property had about a
dozen folk drinking and partying.  Casey, my Bouvier, took off for the back
of the property barking and carrying on like a good watchdog.  My (at that
time there were two) Airedales never left my side because of leashes.  The folk
were trespassing and my dog was very much under my control by stopping when
ordered to at about 15 feet from the folk.  One of the drunker men then
became verbally abusive to me and said "I'm gonna kill that g.d. (my
abbreviation for poor net language) dog."

So I called the police like a good citizen reporting a crime  (trespassing,
public drunkeness, threat to personal property, assault) and was told, "Do
you really think that we are going to come to your house because somebody
threatened your dog?"

I learned from that one that I am just as easily trained as my dogs and I
am being trained by the Cincinnati Police Department to reconsider the
right and wrong of vigilantism and to ignore cops.  Don't ever expect me to
believe that the police will do anything to help dog owners.

End of story.  Sorry if you have heard it all before.


Gail "Wondering where the justice has gone" Brookhart
ce293@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: lydia@tarsal.dsg.ti.com (lydia middendorf )
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: need advice
Date: 22 Jan 1993 08:07:03 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments, Austin, Tx.
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Need advice on what is best for Rocket.


My grandmother died last week. You will be happy to know that her Besenji (sp?),
Rocket, was sneeked into the hospital to visit with her for a few hours before
she died.

I am worried about Rockets mental heath, this is why I need advice.

My grandparents lived in California, my parents live in Tennessee, I live in
Texas. My grandfather is unable to totally care for himself, and will be
moving to my parents. My grandfather is not a dog person, but wants to keep
the dog, because my granny loved it so. My folks have 4 little rats ;-)
(3 silkies and 1 yorkie), and a dog (beagle). The problem is the rats DO NOT
get along with Rocket, and Rocket just wants to tear their little rat faces
off. I think if the little rats did not terrorize him so with their barking
he would not want to make dog food out of their faces.

Rocket is about 5 years old, the rats are 10, 9, 1.5 & 6 months. Rocket is
a house dog (as are the "rats"). Rocket was a show dog before he retired
to live with my granny. Granny had Rocket for just over a year.

I have found a home here in Texas for Rocket, the home is with 2 greyhounds,
and a female person. Rocket would be able to sleep in the bed (as she is
used to doing), and would have a doggie door to come and go as she pleases.

Do you think putting Rocket in a new home would be to many changes at once?

If its ok,  how do I convince my grandfather this would be best for the dog?

I'm afraid if Rocket stays with my parents & grandfather it would be crated
alot of the time...IMO this is unfair to the dog.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

p.s. before the flames start..."rats" is said with a great deal of
     affection ;-).








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From: feldman@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:49:58 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-26236]: diana

Jon Krueger writes:

>> The idea that all of dogdom should be handed over to backyard
>> breeders, puppy mills, and animal rights activists
>
>is a fascinating idea.  Where did you get it?  No one here has
>suggested it, or anything of the sort.  What a silly straw man!

Ok, Jon.  You oppose the idea that reputable breeders should
produce a lot of dogs and strive to improve the breed.  Who exactly
do you think will be left breeding and adopting out dogs?

Damon
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From: T00X@UNB.CA (T00X000)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: IAMS lamb & rice
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:29:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: UNBVM1.26JAN93.12411214.0042
Organization: The University of New Brunswick

I am STILL looking for a kind soul who can give me the
lowdown on the IAMS lamb & rice discussion that was on
this news group recently. Please, please, please!!!

E-mail reply to <t00x@unb.ca>
Thanks, Monna
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Re: Do you french your dog?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:09:44 GMT

> Kyler Laird writes:
> Just curious, does everyone else french their dog(s)?  If not,
> how do you avoid it?  When we get our morning wake-up maul, it's
> hard to avoid the tongue.


Keep your lips tightly pressed together, no matter HOW much it tickles or how
much you want to laugh or scream, glue your lips shut! It works for me about
50% of the time, I haven't quite figured out how to avoid the tongue up the
nostril yet though :) Those tongues have a life of their own!

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From: mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu (Michael George Buening)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:56:11 GMT

In article <C1H2Bv.203@news.iastate.edu> A1.MHH@isumvs.iastate.edu (Mary Healey) writes:
>In article <1993Jan26.154736.2208@inel.gov>,
>
>"Neuter" is sex-neutral.  Castration is male, spay is female.  I
>suspect (in my slighty feminist brain) that the term "neuter" is
>commonly used instead of "castration" because the mental image of
>castration is a little too vivid.
>
>Mary H.

Oh how right you are! :-) :-)

Mike

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From: miranker@cs.utexas.edu (Daniel P. Miranker)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,austin.forsale,misc.forsale,tx.forsale
Subject: Working Champion Australian Sheppard Puppies for sale
Followup-To: poster
Date: 22 Jan 1993 11:43:49 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: tx
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From: ladybug@hydra.unm.edu (Carol E. Newby)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Do you french your dog?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:13:39 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.unm.edu

In article <laird.727751999@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes:
>Just curious, does everyone else french their dog(s)?  If not,
>how do you avoid it?  When we get our morning wake-up maul, it's
>hard to avoid the tongue.
>
>--kyler

We own a three yr old Siberian Husky and one of the first things his breeder 
taught him (and all her pups) was to give "puppy kisses"! Well, he still gives
puppy kisses and everyone, especially the kids (the two legged ones!) get the
biggest kick out of asking for and getting kisses. 'Course Thor spends his
nights in a crate so it's not like we all get that wake-up maul every am. :)

Carol

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 21:31:01 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Akitas and children and other questions
Comment-To: Eric_Kozowski@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  I don't have anything against Akita, but I would hold off on getting
the dog for several years.  I believe it is not wise to have large
possibly aggressive dogs around infants and toddlers. Provided that
the dog is not hostile to the child, you must also consider that dogs
do get jealous, and most dogs will try to exert dominance over any
creature smaller than they are.  The form it might take could really
hurt your child.
  Another factor is that a big dog like an Akita will bump into the
child as it is learning to walk, knocking it for a loop, into
furniture or possibly down a flight of stairs.
  Young children need to be taught to respect animals, and this
usually cannot occur before the kid is 7 or 8.
  You are going to be a parent now.  This was your decision.  It is
time to put some of your other plans on hold.  This is your baby's
time.  
  A gentle cca is a much better choice in pets at this time. Perhaps
when your child is three or four, you could look into gettin a mid
sized dog, and then the Akita when the child is perhaps 10.
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