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From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Football Failures at Bowie Force end of Season
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:14:07 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Distribution: tx
Organization: Los Tejanos SCUBA Club and Beer Joint, Austin, Tejas

In article <1992Nov16.185858.14918@watson.ibm.com> johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti/100000) writes:
>fred j mccall 575-3539 (mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com) wrote:
>: To what?  The only system that avoids these kinds of costs (and it
>: doesn't, really, it just selectively imposes them) is total anarchy.
>
>..and the only two colors are black and white.  Right.
>
>: What you save in taxes you'll surely spend in ammunition.
>
>At least you have a choice that way.

No, Fred's right.  I'll surely spend it on ammunition, teaching others
about self-defense, protecting myself and my family, etc.

But it will be MY choice, I'll get to decide whether I enhance the
security of my neighborhood by taking a friend shooting, or whether I
enhance my security by adding a new alarm.  As it is, I spend my time
and money on firearms, gun safety education, alarm systems, neighorhood
watch, the NRA =and= taxes.  I consider "taxes" to be money completely
wasted.

>You mean I'm missing Fred's point of having schools.  And we all know that 
>Fred's opinion is the only one that matters.

Of course Fred's right.  If he wasn't right, he wouldn't post so damned
much.  It's like Hyundai and the $700 per car they spend on advertising.
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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: What, Me Vote?
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:43:39 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
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In article <Bxo0F2.Ms8@NeoSoft.com> hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen) writes:
>From: hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen)
>Subject: Re: What, Me Vote?
>Date: 13 Nov 92 17:25:49 GMT

>In article <1632@airgun.wg.waii.com>, miller@hmsp04.wg3.waii.com (Griff Miller X7114) writes:
>> I agree that it's silly to try to teach people to not use drugs and 
>> give "because" as the reason. It wouldn't be very effective, partially for 
>> the reasons you stated. On the other hand, I think we still need to be
>> teaching people not even to try illegal drugs in the first place (which is
>> what I've always thought "Just Say NO" means) because they can lead to
>> serious addiction and/or death.
> 
>You have the "reefer madness" problem.  You have teachers
>telling kids that drugs will do all these horrible things to them and the
>kids are just laughing because while they know some kids who have had
>problems, most of the kids they know who have tried pot are not crazed
>addicts who tried to kill their parents. \
>-- 
>Doug Andersen
>hari@Sugar.NeoSoft.com

How about "It's illegal and you could lose some major cash, or even do some 
time."  Works for me.
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From: tom@europa.lonestar.org (Tom Kimball)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Clinton has won...watch your pocket!
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:45:43 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Moria Mining Guild (BBS) -- Dallas, Texas, USA

In article <21898@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>The key concept which you do not understand is the notion of checks and
>balances.  

Frustrated that his initial flame bait failed, John Haugh recasts the bait
and gives it another try.  Here's a case where he makes a claim in which it is
not possible for him to know whether that claim is the truth.  From this we 
can assume he does that on other occasions.

-- 
Tom Kimball  			tom@europa.lerctr.org    
tom@europa.lonestar.org		tom%europa@egsner.cirr.com
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
Subject: What is atheism? (was Re: Bush Vetoes Stupid Education Reform Bill)
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: tx
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:17:29 GMT

In article <7890@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>I do not believe in the sense that is commonly expressed by Christians. There
>is a difference between "I do not believe that there is" and "I believe that
>there is not". It is the former that goes with my lack of evidence, and I
>cannot find it in my heart to take anything on blind faith.

	You are changing your position, then?

In article <7868@lib.tmc.edu> jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
}That is exactly my position: I do not believe that there is a God, in any of
}the molds that the various religions espouse. 

>>Those seem to me to be the atheist/agnostic stances, in
>>order. I must now confess that my perception of atheism has to be the
>>fault. I've always thought atheists were absolutely sure there was no
>>God, and that agnostics weren't sure. Where do I now draw the line?
>
>I don't care which label is used. I know what I think, and that's enough.

	That's enough for me. If you're sure you're apathetic about the
label, may I suggest agnostic? 


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"We need stronger death penalties..." George Bush, debate #2
From: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Teacher hotlines need in TX?
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:25:40 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin


*8   PARENT HOTLINE:  TEACHERS CHECK THEIR VOICE MAIL
     Several schools in Central Fla. have created parent hotline
systems that range from simple answering machines to complex
computers (multi cites).  The purpose:  Parents can check on PTA
meetings, school activities and their children's homework
assignments.
     Bay Meadows elementary school Principal Melanie Craig said
parents have logged more than 13,000 calls since the beginning of
the school year (Fish, ORLANDO SENTINEL, 11/15).  One parent, who
returns home from work late at night, told Craig the hotline was
convenient.  He is able to leave questions for teachers on voice
mail, and teachers can return his call the next day.
     Bob Noonan of Micro Delta Corp. in Deerfield Beach said the
computerized systems cost from $1,500 to $5,000 and are "hot
technology right now." (AP/Miami Herald, 11/16)

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My views are unrelated to those of IBM     |        Austin, TX
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From: hari@NeoSoft.com (Doug Andersen)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Protectionism and Japan
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:49:53 GMT
Distribution: usa,tx
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <1992Nov15.225830.28623@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
> Well, assuming, of course, that those consumers in the U.S. have jobs
> after the places they work are put out of business by foreign
> competitors who are subsidized to export by their governments.
 
What about those U.S. consumers whose companies are unfortunate enough
to be consumers themselves of protected products?  For example, companies
that use steel and because of the artificially high price can't compete
with their competitors.  Just because small steel users don't have as
much political clout as steel makers doesn't mean they haven't lost jobs.
 
The problem is it's not just foreign companies who receive subsidies (more
about that later).  The Commerce Dept can shut out companies who sell
"below cost" based on their definition of what the foreign companies 
costs are (and cost accounting can get pretty esoteric).  For example,
they require (in their analysis) that foreign companies make an 8% 
profit.  That's right, if you are a foreign company whose costs are
exactly the same as a U.S. company, but you price so that you make 5%
profit, that extra 3% is considered evidence of "selling below cost" and
you're in trouble.
 
They also go after companies who sell in U.S. markets cheaper than they
do in their home market.  Great businesspeople, huh.  You price according
to what the individual market will bear.  There are countries where you
price higher and countries where you have to price lower.  That's a fact
of business.  
 
Finally, "subsidies" can be pretty broadly defined.  Imagine if you were
applying that to a U.S. company.  What about technology transfers?  Those
national labs turn out a lot of technology.  Should that be counted as a
subsidy to companies that use that technology?  How about tax breaks for
settling in certain states (Arkansas, Mr. Haugh?).  What about companies
that do business with the U.S. government and charge $400 for a hammer. 
Is that a subsidy?
 
> Of course, if OTHER governments didn't provide an edge for their
> companies, 'dumping' wouldn't be a problem, would it?  Oh, and let's
> keep in mind the difference between 'hard' and 'soft' currencies, too
> (which doesn't necessarily apply in this case, but certainly can help
> explain part of why some other companies in foreign countries would
> rather sell here at a 'loss', insofar as 'official exchange rates'
> go.) 
 
Glad you brought that subject up.  The Commerce Dept regularly uses
exchange rates to rule against foreign companies.   In plenty of countries
there is a big difference between the "official rate" and the rate that
companies actually use.  Guess which one the Commerce Dept uses? 
 
Let me rephrase your signature line.  "A level playing field is for
companies that don't have the balls to live in the real world".
-- 
Doug Andersen
hari@Sugar.NeoSoft.com
From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Bush Vetoes Stupid Education Reform Bill
Date: 21 Nov 92 00:58:03 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <cJz+r*Ok1@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>In article <Bx80Dv.GFA@NeoSoft.com>, Joe Mullally writes:
>
>> In article <4KiVr*je1@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>
>> >I haven't IMPOSED God upon you.  God will impose quite a few things upon you
>> >(and everyone else), but that will come later.
>> 
>> 	Here, Jim (though he really doesn't and won't understand what
>> I'll claim) tries to impose his religion. It's quite interesting to
>
>Please explain how I have IMPOSED God upon anyone.  Be specific.
>
>
	You claimed your God will impose His Law upon someone who doesn't
believe in your God. It is your belief, your faith. You've applied that
faith to someone else's words/actions. Even _if_ your God is the only
one, the only "true" God, that does not change the fact that you 
imposed Him upon another, who was previously not imposed upon. 


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"We need stronger death penalties..." George Bush, debate #2
From: miller@hmsp04.wg3.waii.com (Griff Miller X7114)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Bush Vetoes Stupid Education Reform Bill
Date: 23 Nov 92 14:45:06 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Western Geo. - Div of Western Atlas Intn'l Inc., Houston, TX

In article <By1K0s.DBL@NeoSoft.com> rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally) writes:
>In article <cJz+r*Ok1@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>>Please explain how I have IMPOSED God upon anyone.  Be specific.
>>
>>
>	You claimed your God will impose His Law upon someone who doesn't
>believe in your God. It is your belief, your faith. You've applied that
>faith to someone else's words/actions. Even _if_ your God is the only
>one, the only "true" God, that does not change the fact that you 
>imposed Him upon another, who was previously not imposed upon. 

Baloney. Jim no more imposed his religion on anyone with his statement than
an atheist imposed his beliefs on Jim the last time Jim was told "there is no
God." Jim even (rightly) included himself in his statement about God doing
some imposing, so he wasn't even being condescending.

If that's all it takes to impose upon one another, then there's a whole lotta
imposition goin' on  :-) .
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          *** My opinions are mine, not Western's. ***

   "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but 
    fools despise wisdom and discipline."   - Proverbs 1:7
From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Bush Vetoes Stupid Education Reform Bill
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:30:58 GMT
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In article <1992Nov3.190629.2932@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, fred j mccall 575-3539 writes:

> Jim, you seem to have missed the little fact that we don't WANT to
> have to go to your churches.  That's the PROBLEM.  We see no reason

Who is forcing you to go to church.  Who has even suggested such a thing?
Why do you keep making up this stuff?

> why we should have to subsidize the churches with special tax
> exemptions.  And now people want us to subsidize sending their kids to
> religious schools?  Makes me feel like I'm living in Iran.

I wish that you were.  It would make you appreciate this country more.


                                                Jim Pritchett


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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Needles (was: Re: What, Me Vote?)
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:45:56 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
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              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
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In article <1635@airgun.wg.waii.com> miller@hmsp04.wg3.waii.com (Griff Miller X7114) writes:

>If needles are so easy to get, then why are dirty needles a problem at all?

Because the people who use them for drugs are drugged.  

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    exuptr@exu.ericsson.se                    "Don't let the .se fool you"
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Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti)
Subject: Re: Football Failures at Bowie Force end of Season
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:24:16 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstations and Systems, Austin, TX
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fred j mccall 575-3539 (mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com) wrote:
: Yeah, kill or be killed.  Lovely choice; I love your view of how
: things should be less and less all the time, John.

And I love your view of humanity.  Yeah, we just can't wait to kill each other,
and if it weren't for the benevolent government playing Robin Hood, we would
wipe ourselves out.  Let me ask you:  would you go around killing people if
you could get away with it?

: One more time, John, CHECK ******* ANY ******* REPORT ON CRIME.

The fact that you can't even name ONE shows that you didn't bother to check
anything before you made the assertion.  Why should I do your research for you?

--
John Iacoletti       IBM AWS Austin       Internet: johniac@austin.ibm.com
        My opinions do not reflect the views of the IBM Corporation
"Look, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a
 system of government"
Newsgroups: tx.politics
From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: If you dump Bush, dump Congress too, (at least.)
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:26:54 GMT
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In article <1992Nov3.150016.23484@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, fred j mccall 575-3539 writes:

> Well, Jim, if you see me as a liberal, I guess I shouldn't be
> surprised that you consider Hillary Clinton to be a "radical
> feminist".  Hey, not only does Hillary bake cookies, a non-partisan
> group found them to be BETTER than the cookies backed by Barbara Bush.

Fred lied again.  The result was the other way.  They liked Barbara Bush's
cookies better.

> And just what is your problem with Hillary having fallen in love with
> Bill Clinton?  People to your political left (which includes
> practically all of humanity) don't fall in love?

I don't have a problem with that.  I have a problem with her trying to portray
herself as something she is NOT.  Hillary is not an old-fashioned housewife.
That is what she was trying to appear to be.


                                                Jim Pritchett


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From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Football Failures at Bowie Force end of Season
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:19:10 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX

In article <1992Nov19.010956.42229@watson.ibm.com>, johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
> David L. Cathey (davidc@montagar.com) wrote:
> : 	Nah, not at all.  You just don't like the method.  I hope to drive
> : all this football crap out of school, and let the Pro's start there own
> : football camps like more of the other sports...
> 
> Good idea.  And then we can drive out the math crap and the history crap and
> the English crap, and make ALL employers educate their future employees.

	Hey, don't companies (such as IBM, surprise!!!) donate time, money,
equipment, and pay taxes to schools to provide for education so student can
get a HS diploma?  Don't they donate to Universities as well?  Well, John,
it seems that that they already educate those that will be future employees.

> : 	No you don't.  You've already stated that you think that people
> : will take the easy way out.
> 
> .. IF they are there as a punishment and not because they want to learn the
> subject.

	Ah, so you want to take away the "punishment", and let them take the
easy way out.

> : If they didn't have to, they be at the beach.
> 
> Speak for yourself.  Lots of people LIKE to learn the subjects.  I'm sorry
> school was such a chore for you.

	Not for me, I took extra science/math classes because I wanted to.
You're the one that said that people want to take the easy way out.  Don't
subscribe your beliefs to me.

> : 	Who's dictating life?  If they don't like school, leave.  They have 
> : that choice.  If they want to play football for a living, they can talk to
> : Jimmy.  I have done *nothing* to prevent that.
> 
> How would you like it if we dropped everything EXCEPT football.  You don't like
> it?  LEAVE!  I'm a taxpayer, and I don't like the curriculum.  Allowing 
> somebody to pursue a football education doesn't prevent YOU from getting your
> science education or whatever.

	But if they don't learn basic skills to attend college, there will be
no football career.  You still haven't figured that out yet.

> John Iacoletti       IBM AWS Austin       Internet: johniac@austin.ibm.com
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From: dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: YOU OWE ME FREE HEALTHCARE!
Date: 23 Nov 1992 18:14:59 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu

In article <21920@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>I will refrain from mentioning that my medical insurance was $300 per year
>the last time I carried my own ...

That must've been a long time ago, John. :)  I currently pay $525 per year
for medical coverage, with a $1,000 deductible and a $300 accidental
injury rider (to cover those pesky trips to the ER for messed up
ankles and the like).  This is for a male, 24 years old (on Nov 27!),
non-smoker, in a mostly rural county (Brazos), with no major 
health problems.  I chose such a high deductible (for me) because
I am normally healthy, and the goal of insurance is to prevent
catastrophe, not to prevent occasional setbacks.

Note: this is emphatically not an endorsement for state-run
health care/insurance/whatever.  I like being able to pick my own
coverage, thank you.

Note 2: the price above is from a non-profit insurance company.  Private
insurers will charge a higher fee ($600 - $650 per year).

Daryl
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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: CHOICE: DEBATE BASED ON COMPETING PHILOSOPHIES
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:03:18 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <1992Nov16.172315.20443@digi.lonestar.org> gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes:

>Thomas Rush writes

>	[excerpts from my posting deleted]

>>Yes, and now lets talk about all the State and Federal rules that that
>>public school has to comply with that that private school doesn't.
>>EVEN SO, the NON-PAROCHIAL private school is not significantly less
>>expensive (if at all) than the public school.  It is the preponderance
>>of parochial schools (with the cheap teachers, administration, etc.)
>>that lower that aggragate cost for private schools.  Talking about
>>'private schools' as a single group just doesn't make much sense,
>>since it subdivides into two groups with quite different
>>characteristics (and costs).

>A choice system would go far to free the public schools of all those Federal
>and State rules that cost them so much, also of the top-heavy administrative
>structure that is required to enforce them and which tends to perpetuate 
>and grow its own existence over time.  A choice system would improve the
>public schools as well as the private schools and, properly administered,
>lower the total cost as well.

Odd, but I would expect quite the reverse.  If government money is
going into your 'choice program', the government is more likely than
not to levy all the same equal access, non-discrimination, etc., rules
against the private school taking a government voucher that it levies
against the public schools right now.  How, for example, would a
private school qualify for receiving vouchers?  Wouldn't it have to be
willing to accept all comers (including the disabled and
'educationally challenged' -- love those euphemisms)?

>I must say that your motto,

>"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
> in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden


>would have led me more to believe that you were pro-educational choice than
>not.  It's a good motto, whatever side you are on.

Then I guess you don't quite understand the thrust of it.  Key on the
word "perfect".

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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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