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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Times on Base: all-time records and Frank Thomas
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:01:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boo!

In <1992Sep11.143252.1267@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:

>who "know how to get hit" (I'd also have to agree with your "acquired taste"
>sentiment; that's REAL team spirit!). You could also throw in catcher's
>interference, if you had the stats. Van Slyke gets one or two of those a year,
>and while not INCREDIBLY significant, it does help.

This week's McWeekly reports that Robert Kelly has reached base 7 times on
catcher's interference this year.  Interference has been called 13 other times,
involving 13 different players.

Greg 
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From: kwilliam@ada.seas.ucla.edu (William Kuan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Roger Clemens stats needed
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:04:09 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles


	Can anybody supply the career stats of Roger Clemens? I am
especially interested in his career ERA (i'm sure it's below 3.00).
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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Subject: lahtsa air-roars(WAS Re: Dodgers Outdo Themselves -- Seven Errors!)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:37:53 GMT


In article <14SEP199217075315@pierre.mit.edu> kettler@pierre.mit.edu  
(KETTLER, THOMAS R.) writes:
> Well, all I can say is "You have to hand it to the Dodgers and Mets. This 
> is because otherwise they'll drop it." d::-) Awfulman has made 40 now. 
> Do I hear 50 this season. Even if he doesn't, does anyone have an idea as 
> to how long it has been since a shortshop has had this many errors? Yes, I  
> know most people here feel that errors as a stat are useless but I am still  
> curious.
Robin Yount had 44 back in 1975(I think). I remember one of them. 
It was a real beauty. His throw to first (at least I assume it was) 
landed several rows back in the lower grandstand.
Of course well all know what a lousy SS he turned out to be :-)
  Then of course, there was Dale Sveum's great 1986 
'let's lead the majors in errors while playing only 65 games at 3b'
(26 errors in 65G at 3b and a few more elsewhere)

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: roy NL
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:48:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.223628.1204@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <Bu9u1x.J4s@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets) writes:
>
>>In what regard?  I think Piniella does a pretty good job managing hitters and
>>the defense, though it seems now even he has begun to realize his weakness
>>in managing the pitchers.  But what does this have to do with Sanders?
>>He plays when it makes sense for him to play.  Remember, there are 6 quality
>>starting outfielders on the Reds staff.
>>Some, like Martinez and O'Neill are there because they can play damn good 
>>defense, some, like Sanders and Braggs, are there because they have some
>>POP on offense.  Sanders and Roberts are exceptionally speedy, too.  
>
>Martinez has just been plain horrible offensively this year; his defensive
>value is no justification to play him.
>
>Since Martinez is an offensive void this year, I saw no reason to play him
>instead of Sanders.
>
>(BTW, O'Neill had not been just playing because of "damn good defense" but
>also of "good offense."  Other than Walker and Bonilla, there was perhaps
>no other RF who is clearly better than O'Neill offensively.)
>
Well, I'm sure Martinez and O'Neill will both agree that they are having miserable
years offensively.  It's not at all encouraging to see Davey at the plate with
two on, one out, Reds down a run in the eighth, but what can you do?  Dave hits
better against righties than Reggie does, so one would expect we're stuck 
with him.  Last year's stats were so much better for both players.

I'm also NOT saying Martinez is a GREAT fielder, just one who is apt to making
all the routine plays, not miss his cut-off man, not run into other fielders,
etc...

RStimets

From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:43:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Ugliest *ever* (was: Re: Ugliest Man in Baseball??)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

In rec.sport.baseball, psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:

> I mean what's next, ugliest rec.sport.baseball poster?  Or perhaps we can 
> discuss which r.s.b regular has the largest breasts (male or female) which
> has the smallest penis...

Apparently, some lucky Pittsburgh residents will get to judge Amit in person...
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From: "mike walker" <mike.walker@canrem.com>
Subject: jays callups and thei
Reply-To: "mike walker" <mike.walker@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:35:11 EST



In message <1992Sep7.223528.747#mala.bc.ca> epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
wrote:

>In article <1992Sep7.834.44039@dosgate>, "mike walker" <mike.walker@canrem.com> writes:
>
> Matchups are a funny business. At today's (Sun 10-06) game Cito pulled
> Eichhorn in a jam with Kent Hrbek coming up. Both Henke and Wells were
> warming, although Henke had started heating first and looked readier.
> It was a save situation, 8th inning. Since Hrbek bats left I expected
> Wells, the lefty, then Henke for the final out and the 9th. Cito went
> to Henke, who got Hrbek, the next out, and the save in the next
> inning. The point? When I looked up his stats, Hrbek hits *_BETTER_*
> off lefties (.265 vs .240). In addition, Hrbek was DHing because of a
> sore shoulder; would he not have more trouble getting around on a dead
> fastball pitcher like Henke than on a curveballer like Wells? It's
> easy to criticize the matchups, but these things don't happen in a
> vacuum. . . Mike

LE>On the broadcast tonight, the TSN guys said that the reason Gaston
LE>brought in Henke is that Wells wasn't warmed up yet.  Apparently
LE>Cito wanted Wells.

Sorry, I was writing too late at night after not enough sleep...
First, my facts were wrong; Hrbek hit a single (without driving in a
run), so Cito's choice was not vindicated. Further, in later
interviews Cito did not mention the L/R stat so presumably he was not
aware of it when he took Henke instead of Wells. The only reason he
offered was that Wells wasn't ready while Henke was. I'm not usually a
Cito basher, but this is a dumb excuse; who does he think called the
bullpen to tell Henke to get up first? Sheesh! . . . . . Mike
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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Subject: Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:47:23 GMT
Organization: Boo! 

In <1992Sep9.173202.3975@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:

>In article <1992Sep5.032105.10942@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
>>
>>1) Over the past year and 3/4, Cecil Fielder has produced more offense
>>than Travis Fryman.
>>
>>2) Over the past year and 3/4, Travis Fryman has been a more valuable
>>offensive player.  He has contributed more though he has produced less.
> 		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I'm sure you don't really mean this.

In this case, I mean exactly what I said.  He contributed more though
he has produced yes.  Definitely.

>>The key to the difference in contributions is that the difference between
>>Fryman and a replacement level shortstop/third baseman is larger than the
>>difference between Fielder and a replacement level first baseman.

>No, YOU miss the point. The OFFENSE does NOT care what position those hits
>come from. NOBODY bats as a 2nd baseman, or catcher, or whatever. The hits,
>outs, doubles, runs, stolen bases, etc, are INDEPENDENT of defensive postion.

So?
No one's arguing that they aren't.

But the value of these hits are not independent from the player's defensive
position because a 2bman who draws a walk has a greater chance of scoring
than a first baseman who draws a walk.  

>Unless, of course, you are aware of some new rule that has eluded the rest of
>us. You MAY choose to say that a shortstop with a certain amount of hitting
>is more valuable than a first baseman with a certain amount more, to his team.
>However, you may not say he is a better offensive player.

Well, better is a nebulous term which I have avoided here.  I can, however,
say that he has contributed more and been more valuable offensively.
 
But are you really prepared to argue that the average player in 1930 was
a better offensive player than 95% of the league in 1968 because the
average 1930 player produced more offense total?

No, I can't say that the player produced more offense because he is a
shortstop.  But I can certainly say that his offensive is more valuable
to the team because he is a shortstop, and thus that he is more valuable
offensively.

You do realize this argument has nothing to do with baseball, don't you?

Greg 
-- 
  spira@panix.com       "The one-O delivery to Fisk.  He swings.  Long drive,  
 cmcl2!panix!spira      left field!  If it stays fair, it's gone!  Home Run!"  
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Whitestone NY 11357          (Insert your favorite baseball moment here) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: chehhm@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (Hui Mao)
Subject: Deion Sanders back to football
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:14:35 GMT

   Deion Sanders signed a 2-million deal with Falcons and will play both
baseball (Braves home game) and football at same season.  He went to practice
football early today and scored the winning run in the Braves game against Reds
tonight.  He'll play Falcons' Sunday game at Washington.

HM
From: genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Times on Base: all-time records and Frank Thomas
Date: 8 Sep 92 16:38:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering

Thus spake chee1l5@jetson.uh.edu (Sam Lane):

>In article <5580@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:

>> Here are, as best I can find them, the all-time records for career times
>> reaching base (H+BB+HBP), and times reaching base per game (among players
>> with at least 3000 times reaching base).

>If you include HBP, then why don't you include reaching on errors and 
>reaching on a fielder's choice?

I don't include reaching on errors because the numbers aren't available.  I
don't include fielder's choice because it's essentially the same as making an
out (unlike reaching on an error, which I'll get to in a minute).

>They include the same amount of skill (none).

Oh, *that* explains why Don Baylor was hit 200+ times in his career, while
Jimmy Foxx was hit 12 times.  Or why Ron Hunt led the NL every year in HBP.

To put it mildly, I think you're a little confused here.  Getting hit by
pitches is easy to recognize as a skill: there's a wide range of different
outcomes, and the same people are at the top and bottom of the list every
year.  It's much more of a skill, in that regard, than things like triples
and catcher success at throwing out baserunners.

And it can be an important factor.  Brian Downing has an outstanding career
on-base percentage, and about .010 of it is due to getting hit by pitches.
Other players (Baylor, Hunt, Cobb, Speaker, Cuyler, etc.) have similar or
higher rates.

As for reaching on errors, the few studies that have been done on this (Elias
is the one that comes to mind) show that this, too, is a skill.  Certain
players tend to reach on errors much more frequently than others, year after
year.  This makes sense; players who run fast (Shawon Dunston) and/or hit the
ball very hard (Jack Clark) will reach on errors more often than those who
don't do either, or fail to put the ball into play (Rob Deer).  This is a 
skill, with positive value to the team, and should be counted.

Fielders' choice is different.  FC's usually occur when the fielder could have
put you out with a routine play, but instead chose to put out some other runner
with an equally routine play.  It's worse than an ordinary out, in that an
ordinary out at least might advance other runners ahead of you.  It is totally
unlike reaching on an error, and really is due to circumstances beyond the
batter's control.


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 Randall 'Chico' Jarrell | One out from death, one hit from dreamt-of glory
"Death of a Pinch Hitter"| I woke to 'Strike One!' and the nightmare sliders...
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From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Re: Personal Attacks on the Net
Organization: NSSL
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:43:26 GMT

In article <16996@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary FDA Approved Huckabay) writes:
>Dave Eisen writes:
>
>>I hereby give Gary Huckabay permission to make fun of
>>me any way he wants to in this forum. Maybe I should
>>add that to my .sig.
>
>Ditto.  Anyone here can feel free to say anything they want about me
>in this forum, provided it's at least moderately amusing.  :-)
>
>>And if Gary does anything here that ever really hurts
>>anybody, I'll be the first to write to his sysadmin
>>to have his net privileges pulled.
>
>Well, I'd like to give you that chance.  And so, here's Dave Kirsch's
>Bank One VISA card number....
>
>:-)
>

Gary-the number didn't come through on my newsreader.  Could you resend
that?  Also, I need the expiration date.:-)

>And now, on to some baseball...
>
>--
>*    Gary Huckabay    * 'RBIs rank roughly below political affiliation *
>*  'Watching Harold   *  and just above shoe size in terms of whether  *
>*   Brooks stalk the  *  a guy can actually hit.  Hitting is more than *
>*  Maxvill household.'*  just being lucky.' - T.S. Underwood.          *

Just so you're informed--my wife went to high school with Dal's kid.  I'm
looking forward to her class reunion.  If everyone on the net will just
shut up, they'll never suspect me!!  It will be the perfect crime.  Bwa-
ha-ha-ha!  "Only The Shadow knows...."

Harold
-- 
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National Severe Storms Laboratory/CIMMS (Norman, OK)
Cal Ripken   April-August   .249 BA  .355 SLG  .329 OBA
Cal Ripken (1 Sep.- 9 Sep.) .152 BA  .182 SLG  .222 OBA
From: kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Todays News (Rickey too)
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:31:00 GMT
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <17055@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary 
FDA A writes...
> 
>4. Because, like Jose Canseco, Henderson is locked into a contract at
>much lower than his market value.

Also, for which he sat out after the first year of signing that contract 
complaining he was underpaid. After Alderson offered to consider tearing it up 
after the second year of it, he still ranted and raved. Hey, contract hold-outs 
are one thing if you don't have a contract, but refusing to show up because a 
person wants his contract renegotiated is disgusting and indicates that the 
player is more concerned about himself than the team.

> 
>-- 
>*    Gary Huckabay    * 'RBIs rank roughly below political affiliation *
>*  'Watching Harold   *  and just above shoe size in terms of whether  *
>*   Brooks stalk the  *  a guy can actually hit.  Hitting is more than *
>*  Maxvill household.'*  just being lucky.' - T.S. Underwood.          *

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Expos Fanatic"
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From: twap8@isuvax.iastate.edu (Mike McNarney)
Subject: Laddie Renfroe update
Reply-To: twap8@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:47:48 GMT

Iowa Cubs pitcher has been moved out of the Intensive Care Unit, according
to this morning's Des Moines _Register_. His wife, Kim, said that Laddie
can only say a few words and will have to go into speech therapy. She said
that Laddie can remember what happened but cannot verbalize it. The report
was unclear as to whether this is being caused by neurological damage or
by the mental trauma of the incident. Club officials seem to be saying that
this is the end of the line for Laddie, career-wise. 

His final '92 stats:
1992       W-L  ERA  G  GS  CG  SHO  SV  IP  H  R  ER  HR  BB  SO  WP  OPP AVG  '92 Iowa   3-10 4.74 61  1   0    0   6 100.2 115/57/53 10 40  55   1  .299
'91 Chicgo 0-1 13.50  4  0   0    0   0   4 11  7   7   ?   2   4   ?   ?
'91 Iowa   8-4  4.21 63  1   1    ?  18 98 101 52  46   ?  32  52   ?   ?

From I-Cubs media notes on 9/5:
*Last appearance: 9/3 vs. Denver: 2.1 IP, 10 hits, 4 runs, 4 ER, 2 BB, 4 SO
*Has lost last four decisions, 6 of last 7. Last win was 7/5 vs. Denver
*has pitched in 192 games with Iowa, a club record. He broke Bill Earley's
 record of 157 on 6/19 vs. Buffalo
*Is the Iowa career save leader with 33 and has 104 in his pro career.

Get-well cards may be directed to Laddie in c/o of:
The Iowa Cubs
attn: Laddie Renfroe
350 Southwest First Street
Des Moines, Iowa 50309

-Mike

-------------------
Mike McNarney
twap8@isuvax.bitnet
Iowa State University, USENET censors
Ames, Iowa 50013-0007
515/296-8797
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: J. Gonzales All-time HR King
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:58:28 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <BuE2v4.7s5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mab50312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark A. Blickhan) writes:
>All of these responders forget the claims that Gonzalez will hit 50+ HRs
>for about 7 straight years and even hit 60 Hrs in a season.

>Seems a LOT easier to walk 100 times than hit 60 HRs .

...

>Question: Why do I get 10 posts about 100 walks and 
>	  only 1 person (me) questions 60 HRs in a season?


Well, I have doubts about JG hitting 60+,  but it's possible.
I suspect it's more likely for a 23 year old (or whatever,
he's young, anyway...) who hits 40+ HRs to reach 60 HRs than
for one who has never had more than 45 BBs to draw 100+.
But that's just gut feeling...

So given what we already know about the specific player being 
discussed, yes, I think a claim of Gonzalez' likelihood of 
hitting 60+ HRs is more plausible than a claim that he'll walk 
100+ times.


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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: More on Cecil Fielder
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 04:39:15 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: na

In article <1992Sep5.011231.26609@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.201952.6770@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> josh@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (joshua.h.rosenbluth) writes:
>
>>Whosis         581  174 25   2    10   121  .299 .420  .401  98  407
>
>Between Whosis, Fafoofnick, and Rossing, I think we have the core of a
>pretty solid offense next year...
>
Well, Rossing's triple crown stats at Denver this year are .745/154/582, which
translates to .154/4/16 in the AL...


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Keeper of the R.S.BB FAQ, and Junior Stathead {tm} * OK, so I AM the AntiChrist.
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From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: MLB Magic Numbers for Wed, Sep 09th, 1992
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:06:26 GMT
Organization: Joseph TeleCommunications Enterprises; Berkeley, California, USA
Via: JTC Enterprises Major League Baseball Department (Statistics Division)
     JTC Enterprises Sports Sector (Information Department)


     MAGIC NUMBERS OF DIVISION LEADERS FOR WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 09, 1992

          [NOTE: Includes all of yesterday's games; i-idle yesterday
           z-won yesterday or split a doubleheader; EL-eliminated.]

NATIONAL WEST		 MN	        	NATIONAL EAST		 MN
Atlanta	Braves		z--		        Pittsburgh Pirates	z--
Cincinnati Reds		 18		        Montreal Expos		z21
San Diego Padres	 18		        Chicago Cubs		 15
Houston Astros          z 9		        St. Louis Cardinals      15
San Francisco Giants    z 4		        New York Mets             9
Los Angeles Dodgers	 EL		        Philadelphia Phillies	z 2

AMERICAN WEST		 MN 		        AMERICAN EAST		 MN
Oakland Athletics	z--		        Toronto Blue Jays	z--
Minnesota Twins         z20		        Baltimore Orioles	 22
Chicago White Sox       z19		        Milwaukee Brewers	z20
Texas Rangers		z 9		        New York Yankees        z10
California Angels         6		        Boston Red Sox            9
Kansas City Royals        6		        Cleveland Indians         8
Seattle Mariners	 EL		        Detroit Tigers            8
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