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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Joyner wes RE:Eagles win in OT
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:29:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.040342.1@sc9>, dmurdock@sc9 writes:
> >In article <101903@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
> > Now what's the deal with Joyner??  All I hear in the local news is "the
> > Joyner controversy" and no one seems to go into details.
> 
> 	He is said to have called Kotite a puppet of that jackass we
> 	have masquerading as an owner. (Not an exact quote).
> 	He also blamed R.C. for getting Buddy fired.  I wonder if they 
> 	would dare bench him for the Skins game. If he was benched, &
> 	the Eagles lost, Bramen(SP?) would never be able to set foot in 
> 	Philadelphia again, though it's not like he actually goes there
> 	now.  The info was taken from a small blurb in a San Fran paper,
> 	I won't have the real story until I arrive in Philly tomorrow.

You don't have to worry about Seth Joyner being benched for the Redskins
game.  It ain't gonna happen.  This is the biggest game of the decade
for the Eagles.  Besides, Kotite was already quoted as saying that he
would penalize Joyner privately not publicly.

As an aside, the Seth Joyner interview did not appear in the Philly
press.  It was in the New York Times.  It was written by a childhood
friend of Joyner.


E-A-G-L-E-S

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux1!jmd
From: bih@mowgli.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Physics 101 (was Re: Aikman admits to fumble?)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:27:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: world
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In article 25982@microsoft.com, richs@microsoft.com (Rick Schaut) writes:
>
>Controversy in this issue is something I have difficulty understanding.
>Objects do not acquire momentum or change direction except by the force of
>something else.  As this pertains to football, The ball acquires it's
>direction of motion from the direction of the motion of the quarterback's
>hand. I am baffled by fumbles where the football is moving forward after
>leaving the quarterback's hand, and incomplete passes where the football is
>moving backward after leaving the quarterback's hand.
>

I think those who are arguing that it should have been an incomplete pass are saying
that Aikman did not pull up but instead actually threw the ball. However, since there
was so much traffic around him when he released the ball, it immediately hit 
someone's hand or helmet, thus reversing its direction. No violation of physics here.
If this was the case, then it indeed would have been an incomplete pass.

-Bennet
From: tehyang@phakt.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles vs Redskins
Date: 14 Dec 1992 16:46:07 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec14.233152.824@athena.mit.edu> centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam) writes:
>have a chance to pick up a game on them.  Eagles have
>beaten the Saints head-to-head.  If Eagles and Saints
>both finish at 11-5, Eagles will get home field advantage
>- something for the Eagles to push for.

Wow! I never thought that the Eagles actually had any chance of any sort of
home field advantage. But it's probably not going to happen since the Saints
play the Jets after Buffalo.

>Win(OT)Seattle      (away)  <- broke jinx?
Just barely.... whew!!

>Anyway, call it a hunch, I think we'll beat Washington.
>Prediction:  	Eagles 27
>		Redskins 17

If the Redskins offense that shows up on Sunday is anything like the one
yesterday, the Eagles should be able to crush them easily. The Eagles offense
has been piling up the yards for the past 3 weeks but have not really exploded
on the scoreboard. I expect them to bust loose next week. And besides, it's
revenge time....
My prediction:	Eagles 35
		Redskins 10

-Teh Kao
From: whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: all SB winner
Date: 16 Dec 92 20:32:38 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Dec16.000912.26492@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> vrao@nyx.cs.du.edu (Vinay Rao) writes:
>In article <BzBAAH.IIw@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>In regard to the SuperBowl winners who won the first time
>>and then did not lose after that.
>>
>
>Didn't Washington win Superbowl 17 against Miami and then lose to the
>Raiders in Superbowl 18?  This may be an exception to a still interesting
>statistic.

It isn't.  We (the skins) lost our first superbowl to the Dolphins in
something like 1974.

-Will
From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:40:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: mtw8527@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Mike Wallach)
Subject: Vikings + Gannon = Suck!
Organization: Boeing
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:05:03 GMT

After watching another pathetic performance by Gannon I was
wondering, has there been any talk of the Vikings signing
one of the available free agent QB's or if they're looking
to draft a talented QB?  Sure Gannon can scramble but
that's about it.  If Rich Gannon is the Vikes QB of the
future, they have no future.

As a diehard Vikings fan, it has always mystified me, no
matter who the owners are, that the Vikings have this mindset
about selecting second-rate, minor star quarterbacks in the
draft and try to convince the fans they are chocked full of
potential (Kramer, Wilson, Gannon, etc)  Tark was the only
legitimate star QB the Vikes have had.
From: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Pack is Getting Closer!
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:49:57 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: misha.central.sun.com

In article 17571@tellab5.tellabs.com, jcj@tellabs.com (jcj) writes:
> I'll stop wallowing in my Bears-induced depression long enough to clench 
> my teeth and say I wish both the Packers and Vikings good luck;

Yes,

I would also like to wish both the Pack & Vikings luck,  more wins
out of the NFC Central makes everyone look stronger.

And never has my .signature been more accurate.   :-) 


---
Andy Knipp                    |
Sun Microsystems              | The secret to success is sincerity,
Chicago Loop District         | once you can fake that,  you have it made.
andy@sunloop.central.sun.com  |

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From: harper@pembvax1.pembroke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: WILDCARDS, READ THIS!
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:25:37 GMT
Organization: Pembroke State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: pembvax1.pembroke.edu

In article <1gl9jjINNou0@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, zombie@EBay.Sun.COM (zombie) writes:
> In article 1@pembvax1.pembroke.edu,  harper@pembvax1.pembroke.edu writes:
>>In article <Bz9q53.B9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, nrau@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Nicholas Naveen Rau) writes:
> [...]
>>Also, picture this.  If (big IF) Washington Wins the next two and Dallas
>>lossess its next two (its possible) .  They will both have a 11-5 record, so
>>who will win the Division?  Could be very interesting!
> 
> Anyone know the answer to this?  
> 
> Thanks,
> zombie
> (A Redskins than that needs to know!)
> 

Well, after I asked the question and did not get an answer, I looked it up
myself.

It seems Dallas would still Win the Division, because they are 6-2 while
Washington would be 5-3.  Also it looks impossible for Dallas to loss its next
Two games.  They play Atlanta and Chicago.  So looks like we (redskins fans) can
only hope for a Wild card spot.

> 
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: WILDCARDS, READ THIS!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:30:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.080936.1@pembvax1.pembroke.edu> harper@pembvax1.pembroke.edu writes:
>In article <Bz9q53.B9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, nrau@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Nicholas Naveen Rau) writes:
>> Suppose Washington loses to Philly next week (a very strng possiblity since
>> the Eagles are undefeated at home).  If the Eagles then win their last
>> game (which they will), Washington still wins their last game, Green Bay wins
>> their last two games, and Minnesota loses only to Green Bay, then Washington
>> won't make it to the playoffs.  Minn. and Green Bay will have tied records 
>> Minn will still win the division with the better div. record) as will Green
>> Bay and Washington (Green Bay will beat Washington since it has a better
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> conf. record).  While all this seems silly to predict these wins and losses,
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's not true.

>> the prblem is that this is a very possible scenario.  
This is a possible scenario, but this scenario will eliminate Green Bay.
Look at the record according to the scenario:

   Philly           11-5 (2nd wildcard)
   Minn             10-6 (NFC Central winner)
   
That leaves us 
                     vs NFC   vs common opp. (Det, Minn, NYG, Phil, Atl)
   Wash    10-6       7-5        5-2
   GB      10-6       7-5        4-3

In other words, the Pack will eliminate the Skins IFF they won their last
two and the Skins lost their last two, and edge the Skins in record
outright.

 
>> I know it sounds
>> crazy and farfetched but the Packers have been VERY hot lately and have their
>> goals firmly planted on that WC 3 spot.  Washington must win against Philly
>> next week in order to secure a spot (BTW, this would pretty much knock out 
>> Green Bay from the playoffs unless they won the division because the Eagles
>> have already beaten the Pack).
Again, false. The Packs beat the Eagles by a last-minute FG.

>Also, picture this.  If (big IF) Washington Wins the next two and Dallas
>lossess its next two (its possible) .  They will both have a 11-5 record, so
>who will win the Division?  Could be very interesting!

The Boys, since they would have finished 6-2 in the Division while
the Skins 5-3. The Skins were eliminated in the division race after the Boys
beat Denver last week.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: harper@pembvax1.pembroke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: WILDCARDS, READ THIS!
Date: 15 Dec 92 08:09:36 EDT
Organization: Pembroke State University
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In article <Bz9q53.B9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, nrau@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Nicholas Naveen Rau) writes:
> Many Redskins breathed a collective sigh of relief after they beat the Cowboys
> yesterday as their playoff hopes look rather secure for at least a WC 3 spot.
> However, a warning, circumstances could arise that would knock them totally
> out and this could happen quite easily.
> 
> Suppose Washington loses to Philly next week (a very strng possiblity since
> the Eagles are undefeated at home).  If the Eagles then win their last
> game (which they will), Washington still wins their last game, Green Bay wins
> their last two games, and Minnesota loses only to Green Bay, then Washington
> won't make it to the playoffs.  Minn. and Green Bay will have tied records 
> Minn will still win the division with the better div. record) as will Green
> Bay and Washington (Green Bay will beat Washington since it has a better
> conf. record).  While all this seems silly to predict these wins and losses,
> the prblem is that this is a very possible scenario.  I know it sounds
> crazy and farfetched but the Packers have been VERY hot lately and have their
> goals firmly planted on that WC 3 spot.  Washington must win against Philly
> next week in order to secure a spot (BTW, this would pretty much knock out 
> Green Bay from the playoffs unless they won the division because the Eagles
> have already beaten the Pack).
> 
> It's gonna get interesting in the next couple of weeks, guys.  You can't
> say it hasn't been an interesting year.
> 
> Oh, and by the way, you AFC people.  SOMEBODY PLEASE TAKE CHARGE THERE!  I
> don;t even like to look at that Playoff picture because every AFC team's
> performance this year has been less than spectacular.
> 
> GEAUX SAINTS.
> 

Also, picture this.  If (big IF) Washington Wins the next two and Dallas
lossess its next two (its possible) .  They will both have a 11-5 record, so
who will win the Division?  Could be very interesting!
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:10:07 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: grantham@beirut.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: The Play of the Day (Skins/Dallas)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:53:15 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: beirut.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Lucky Break! Aikman

mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) wrote:
>If that was a pump, Aikman's got a vice grip.  I've never seen a QB pump
>as hard as his arm was moving.  He was trying to pass; of this I'm 
>reasonably sure.

He said he was pumping it.  He was going to pass, but he saw the coverage
Darrell "Bad Arm" Green was putting on Irvin, so pulled it back.

Jon
From: evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bills Sweep NFC West!!!
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:27:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hey Tegger! WE WON!

Unbelievable game. You know, the Bills should play in the NFC if
you ask me. They seem to play clutch football when they are challenged,
but play like high schoolers when they go against the AFC East
pansies. Go figure.

The one thing I can't figure out about this game is why the Bills'
coaches kept pulling Thurman out in the second half of the game.
He was instrumental in moving the ball down the field in their
last few possessions, and just when they were in scoring distance
they would pull him. What the hell? I don't care how they practice
their red zone offense, give him the ball. HE WAS HOT!

Well, what is our record against the NFC for the last 3 years? We
only lost the 2 throw-away games against the Lions and Redskins.
Maybe this year we'll do it against them in the Superbowl. I just
hope Kelly and Shofner get it together before then, otherwise we'll
have to suffer through another heartbreaker.

Geaux Saints! (and take Ed Lor with you!)


Doug


                                  |                              Doug Evans
                                  | State University of New York at Buffalo
                                  |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 12:20:07 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
**************************************************************************
Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE FOOTBALL GODS HAVE SPOKEN!!!
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:44:44 GMT
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX

Gary Strand says of John Gloria:

> You're a disgrace to r.s.f.p. Now go away. I and many others have had our
> fill of you.

Amen!

Until Gloria makes an original contribution to the net rather than flaming
everyone elses mail to feed his childish ego everyone should ignore his 
juvenile drivel.

David
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Friday, 18 Dec 1992 15:03:24 EST
From: Robert Newby <3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Lions QB
Distribution: usa

Andre Ware!!!!  He will start Sunday against Chicago and next week against
Joe Montana.... oops!  I mean San Francisco on Monday night.  If he plays
these games as well as he did against Cleveland, it should be interesting.
Bob