From: edwards@ee.fit.edu (John Edwards)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Too secret for the US President's eyes?
Date: 3 Sep 92 05:49:19 GMT
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Distribution: alt
Organization: Florida Tech, CP/EE Dept.

In <1992Aug25.211448.11119@reed.edu> kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.140148.8764@lmt.mn.org> alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Dave Alexander) writes:
>>In article <n0=nlkc.tomrice@netcom.com>, tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice) writes:
>>> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>>> >>	There are a few levels of Top Secret, as we know, that are above
>>> >>	the President.
>>> 	I assume those are the "burn before reading" levels.
>>> 	Of course, that's what the alt.alien.visitors folk
>>> 	have been saying about the documentation on the (in)famous
>>> 	Roswell Incident.
>>> 
>>> 	Yes, please elaborate.  (If I were Pres and learned of
>>> 	this, I'd be pretty well p-o'd.)
>>
>>>From some of the (unproven) things I have heard on the conspiracy circuit, 
>>I was under the impression that Kennedy learned of it, *was* pretty p-o'd,
>>told them he was going to tell the American people about it and that's why
>>he got knocked off.
>>
>>Moral: Don't fuck with scientists working for the military-industrial
>>       complex, even if you're the president. They know what's best for us.
>>

>Errr... what are you talking about?  What is this Roswell Incident?  What
>did it have to do with Kennedy, and what is the original source for its
>mentioning?  This isn't some bizarre-o paranoid UFO wank again is it?

I bet that if alt.conspiracy ever got a FAQ list, it would take Megs
to cover every conspiracy mentioned.

Now, understanding that >>I<< am not claiming advocacy for or against
this conspiracy theory, but merely follow it because read the 
_ILLUMINATUS_ series has given me an odd taste in where I find my 
entertainment, allow me to cover the high points of the Roswell
thread.
  1) in 1947 a UFO crashes in Roswell NM
  2) the commander of the local base alerts the media that they
     have a crashed saucer
  3) the debris is flown  (to wright pat AFB? I think) where it is
     claimed to be debris from a weather ballon  (supposedly cover story)
  4) real debris and dead alien bodies taken to 'Area 51'.  a second
     saucer found miles away.  STill operable, with living alien
     These taken to Area 51 too.
  5) Pres Truman founds a research group called MJ-12 to oversee all
     research into aliens.  Security levels MAJESTIC/MAJIC-12 created
     'above top secret'
  6) MJ-12 establish contact with aliens, makes deal to allow aliens to
     sample humanity (abductions), in exchange for saucer technology

Now there are all sorts of sub conspircys woven into this general outline.
For example one has MJ-12 finacing its research by selling drugs, JFK
finding this out and threating to expose MJ12.  For which MJ-12 has
JFK blown away.  This is probably what Tom Rice is talking about.

Other threads have aliens 'eating' people and cattle, ufo tests by the
air force north of Las Vegas.  Aliens breeding with people.  Alien
wars between various races  (the greys, the nordics, the Ornages..)
in which humaity is pawns.  Holes in the ozone making the Earth
uninhabitable, so humans are kidnapped to make a moon colony as
slaves, so the powerful people will have a place to live, all using
saucer technology.

Of course you get all the people saying everyone else's theorys are
disinformation injected by MJ-12, to make the whole subject look
crazy.

If you are looking for books try:

_MAJESTIC_, fiction by Whitney Streiber.  
_UFO CRASH AT ROSWELL_ by Kevin Randle and DOnald Schmitt
_ABOVE TOP SECRET_ by Timothy Good.

BTW.  The person typing this is not really John.  He is letting me
type this.  I hope this doen't cause him to be hauled off in the
middle of the night in an unmarked van.  :)

BTW2.  The above info was mostly typed from memory, so if errors creapt
in, please excuse.

I do think a alt.conspiracy FAQ would be intersting  (but I'm not volunteering)