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From: danielce@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Daniel AMP Carosone)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: The Sega Lawsuit and Diamond
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:29:46 GMT
Followup-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

cosc17zz@menudo.uh.edu (Daniel Supernaw-Issen) writes:

>Last night the following occured to me.  Given that Sega lost its lawsuit
>resulting in a ruling that allowed the dissassembly of ROMs for the purposes
>of creating an interfacing product, why can't Diamonds ROMs be similarly 
>disassembled?  It seems to me that in light of the ruling, Xfree could in
>fact support diamond products WITHOUT signing a non-disclosure agreement and
>without compromising the copy-left.


Technically speaking it could be, but probably won't for two reasons
(at least):

1) Diamond would probably sue *anyway*, would probably lose (provided
   you have the funds to meet them in court), and would probably even
   consider the legal fees money well spent on closing you down.
   Frankly, if they sued, they might even win on default, since
   linuxers wouldn't be able to afford to fight them in court.
   Remember that the SEGA case above was between two large commercial
   operations, fighting for revenues from games sales, so the legal
   fees are worth spending (to them).

2) Doing so would totally miss the point. Diamond has decided to try
   and keep the programming information secret, made up non-disclosure
   agreements for people to sign, and gone to a whole lot of trouble
   to prevent software developers having free (or even moderately
   easy) access to it. The end result can only be fewer software
   packages able to drive the card (Free, Commercial, or otherwise)
   and therefore fewer sales of the card -- their choice.  If they
   want things this way, Free Software developers should *make a
   point* not to support the product, even if they can get access to
   the information via other means, to discourage such a narrow-minded
   corporate attitude. Try and find out why GNU is boycotting Apple
   for another example.


This is rather rough on people who already have these cards -- but
that's a natural consequence of Diamond's policies. For those people,
I can only suggest trying to get your card exchanged for another, and
writing to Diamond explaining exactly *why* you are doing so. Do this
even if someone does reverse-engineer a driver to help those who
cannot change cards.

There are other S3-based cards on the market, some cheaper (and some
of those even reportedly faster, but I don't know - I suppose someone
has to pay for Diamond's lawyers), for which programming information
is readily available, and which will be supported.
  


(Crossposted to gnu.misc.discuss, and followups to there)

_______________________________________________________________________________
Daniel AMP Carosone.      email: danielce@ee.mu.oz.au     snail: 37 Wandin Road
Computer/Software Eng,      IRC: Waftam                         Camberwell 3124
University of Melbourne.    Vox: +61 3 882 8910                       Australia
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: pf@malloco.Ing.puc.cl (Pablo Pfingsthorn)
Subject: Diamond Stealth
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:42:22 GMT

>   Has anybody run X with a Diamond Stealth in ANY resolution? Please! I'm
>desperate!!! I'd also like to have a look at xtetris and all those other

  I have gotten Linux 0.98pl2 and XFree 1.1 from tsx-11.mit.edu
  but I can't get it to work with my Stealth card and NEC 2A 
  monitor. Will someone, ANYONE, please give information on a
  fix to Xconfig so that those of us who have Diamond Stealth
  can use X-windows?

Thanks,
Pablo.
|-----------------------------+-------------------------------------|
| pf@malloco.ing.puc.cl       | No way out ...                      |
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ib09@rz30.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
Subject: Linux on EISA?
Reply-To: ib09@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:47:28 GMT

Is there a version of Linux which runs on EISA - bus machines?
Is anybody working on it?
How hard would it be do do?

If I get replies, I'll post a summary.
Tnx.
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ib09@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ui0t@dkauni2.bitnet
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
From: jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: (*) ##Graphic Cards supported by Linux##
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:20:18 GMT
Organization: Tampere University of Technology


In article <1992Nov04.202003.8345@rz.uni-jena.de> pfk@rz.uni-jena.de
(Frank Klemm) writes:
>
>Which graphic card are currently supported by Linux. Which information
>is neccesary to support a special graphic mode. First a function initializing
>the selected mode... and then???

I read subject-lines first from this newsgroup, then I
read interesting announces and periodical postings.

If you request something, would you please use '?'-characters
in the subject line? Or use question-type sentence in the subject
line (for example, "What GC are supported..")?


The subject "(*) ##Graphic Cards supported by Linux##"
does look like the article contains a list of graphics cards.


Juhana Kouhia
From: wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Shoelace...
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:39:00 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

ludwig@wefunk.rent.com (Mitchel F. Ludwig) writes:
>If no-one has any clue, what are you all using?

I boot from a diskette, myself.  None of them new-fangled, fancy hard
disk boot programs here.  Them gives only trouble, mark my word.

:-)

Actually, for quite a while there have been warnings against using
Shoelace, since it doesn't work very well with newer Linux kernels
(there have been problems with too big kernels, at least, I think).
The recommended way is to use LILO, the Linux Loader program.  A new
version was recently announced.

(The reason that I don't boot from the HD, is that I've been way too
lazy to install anything new on my system for weeks.)

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi  (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
   MS-DOS, you can't live with it, you can live without it.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: df@eyrie.demon.co.uk (Derek Fawcus)
ReplyTo: df@eyrie.demon.co.uk
Subject: Linus and his virtual beer
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.19 $
Organization: None
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:13:11 +0000


In article <1992Nov4.162315.26780@klaava.Helsinki.FI> torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds) writes:

> money may be fun, but when you get T-shirts, virtual beer, book offers

Ok, I've got to ask... what is VIRTUAL beer? (beer that isn't really there?,
or is it just virtually beer -- that's it someone sent him home-brew)

[and no, I can't be bothered to go and get a dictionary just to get a
 definition of virtual - I'm not THAT bored]

-- 
Derek Fawcus (G7FVS)                                df@eyrie.demon.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: cosc17zz@menudo.uh.edu (Daniel Supernaw-Issen)
Subject: STILL can't get old microsoft busmouse to work
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:46:00 GMT


Hi.  I have one of those very very very old microsoft busmice, the kind
that hangs off of an 8-bit card.  I have yet to get linux .98pl3 (or any
previous verson) to recognize it.  It was suggested that I take out the
ATI_XL... stuff from mouse.h . This was done with no appreciable result.  
I'm desperately trying to avoid buying a serial mouse because I have but
two ports: one drives my modem, the other I wish to keep to drive a terminal.
Any ideas? Linus? ANYONE? HELP!

Any help is deeply appreciated.

Daniel
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mvdfd1@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (donald.f.dodier)
Subject: VIRTUAL BEER
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:03:27 GMT



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From: jy10033@ehsn11.cen.uiuc.edu (Joshua M Yelon)
Subject: sgtty emulation
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:36:11 GMT

I notice that /usr/include contains sgtty.h, which defines
a struct sgttyb, but the related ioctls aren't defined (TIOCGETP,
etc).  Do we have plans for completing this?  It would make
porting BSD stuff easier.

- Josh


Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: dohm@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Peter J Dohm)
Subject: Info on next gen. SCSI drv.'s
Summary: how far are they along?
Keywords: SCSI
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:35:13 GMT

Hi all..
I've got a question most probably for eric and drew, but if anyone else
can help, chime on in.

What's the status of the next generation scsi drivers?
RSN or GBAI (Go Buy An IDE :) (no I don't really have any intention of doing
                               so it was merely in jest)
If you guys need help, let us (the linux community) know about your problems,
etc.  I know that I'd be willing to help out, and I'm sure i'm not alone.

Pete
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] poeigl-1.7 and admutil-1.4 available
From: Greg Wettstein <NU013809@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:49:41 CST
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computer Network

If a move is made toward using a Sys-V compatible init as the default init
it may be important to provide a short set of documentation that explains
the ins and outs of a run-level init.  With the fundamental important of
init there could very well be a flood of new-user problems when they
suddenly find out that this beast reacts radically different than what
they have been used to.  There have been plenty of horror stories about
whacked inits and inittab's already.  Luckily everyone seems to have a
sufficiently healthy respect for problems to keep a bootable-rootable
floppy around.

                            As always,
                            Dr. G.W. Wettstein
                            Oncology Research Division Computing Facility
                            Fargo Clinic / MeritCare

                            UUCP: uunet!plains!wind!greg
                            INTERNET: greg%wind.uucp@plains.nodak.edu
                            Phone: 701-234-2833

`The truest mark of a man's wisdom is his ability to listen to other
 men expound their wisdom.'
From: rick@ee.uwm.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Problem with sysinstall seeing diska4 during install
Date: 10 Nov 1992 06:39:46 GMT
Organization: Just me.
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33
Summary: Me too.

Just that...

I tried installing the latest SLS just tonight, and ran into the same thing.
Talk about disappointment... I was gonna show it off tomorrow.  :-(

Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>   Ricxjo Muelisto
Occupation:  Husband, Father, WEPCo. WAN Mgr., Discus Sys0p, and  Linux fan
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mykee@cs.tu-berlin.de (Marco Scheibe)
Subject: Re: SLS on Disk in Germany !
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:40:25 GMT

In article <A18436@HB.maus.de> Michael_Kraehe@hb.maus.de (Michael Kraehe) writes:

> [...]
> 
> everbody who lives in Bremen can get it without paying :-) Talk to 04204/1497
> 

I offer the same service for Berlin -- talk to (030)4017848 (answering machine)
or send me Email.

Greetinx, Marco

-- 
--
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Internet mykee@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de, personally TUB, Room FR6042

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From: mdgauthi@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mad Dog)
Subject: magic match failed --> what does it mean?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 15:43:53 EST

Everytime I boot to Linux (using a floppy boot for a hard disk root partition )
I see the message "magic matched failed" in the intial messages.  I can't seem 
to find any harm caused by this but it doesn't sound positive either.  (ps -I
am also using the exfs and MCC interim release with the kernel unrecompiled) 

-Matt Gauthier
mdgauthi@rodan.acs.syr.edu
mdgauthi@suvm.acs.syr.edu
From: stadler@pender.ee.upenn.edu (J. Scott Stadler)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: X and the WD9031 chip
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:46:03 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


I have several questions regarding X and video boards.  I am thinking
of buying a computer that comes packaged with a paradise windows accl.
SVGA video card based on the WD9031.  My questions are the following:

1) Does X under linux currently support this chip?

2) If not, what is involved in writting a driver for a particular
card?

3) I believe that this is a propreitary card.  Does this mean that it
will be impossible to write a driver for the card or that in all
liklihood a driver will never be written?

4) How will the card perform without a driver, (it dose support
the VESA bios extensions) does this mean that I will be able to run X
in 1024x728 resolution but I will not be able to take advantage of the
chips acceleration functions, or will I be restricted to lower resolutions?

Thanks in advance,
Scott
From: venzaida@w204zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Ventzislav Iliev)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: tcsh problem with0.98pl3
Date: 10 Nov 1992 13:15:44 GMT
Organization: ZRZ der TU-Berlin
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: w204zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de
Keywords: tcsh,getwd


 Jan Lien (lien@lysator.liu.se) writes:
 > When running mtools I get "shell-init: getwd: cannot access parent
 > directories". 

 Tim Martin  ( martin@cs.ualberta.ca) writes:  
 > When I log on, I am not put into my home directory.  An error
 > statement arises: "shell-init: getwd: cannot access parent 
 > directories".

 I have the same problem.I've compiled 0.98pl3 and now my shell
 (tcsh-6.01) reports on all logins:
    
    tcsh:getwd - Cannot find "." in ".."
    tcsh:Trying to start from "home/xxx"
 

                                          Venzislav Iliev
                                         (venzi@cs.tu-berlin.de)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: chengb@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bruce)
Subject: Re: Motif
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:59:12 GMT

jrc1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (John Colton) writes:

>Anyone know where I can find Motif for Linux?
>I'd much rather use MWM than TWM!!

There is none.  Motif is a commercial product......unfortunately.  Try
OpenWindows's olvwm/olwm.  It's got a nice 3D look and all, you might like
it.

- Bruce

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: krouth@slee01.srl.ford.com (Kevin Routh)
Subject: Re: Xconfig & Trident - The Solution?
Organization: Ford Motor Company Scientific Research Labs, Dearborn, MI
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:08:12 GMT

davidre@ifi.uio.no (David Eric Reksten) writes:
: 
: If it now appeared that I (and others, too, I suppose) would have to
: upgrade to v4.0 to make X work, would anyone please tell me if this is
: possible/feasible? What would it cost? Or should we go out and buy a
: Tseng ET4000???

I am using tvga bios v2.11 with the xfree86 from tsx-11.  It works
just fine.  My board is a 8900C chipset.  My Linux is SLS 0.98p3 from
tsx-11.
--
Kevin C. Routh                     Internet:    krouth@slee01.srl.ford.com
Ford Electronics                   IBMmail (PROFS):               USFMCTMF
ELD IC Engineering
17000 Rotunda Drive, B-121         Voice mail:              (313) 337-5136
From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Linux version 0.98-pl4
Date: 9 Nov 92 11:22:01 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

As the subject probably tells you, pl4 is out.  It's currently available
at least on nic.funet.fi: pub/OS/Linux/PEOPLE/Linus/, but will probably
show up on the other major sites very soon. 

pl4 is available both as complete source (linux-0.98.4.tar.Z) and as
patches against pl3 (linux-0.98.patch4.Z) and against the pre-version
that was released for limited testing (pre-patch4.Z or something like
that).  Things that have changed:

 - the inode caching bug (resulting in bad filesystem info when
   mounting/umounting devices) should be gone for good.

 - an elusive race-condition in the fs is fixed: this may have been the
   reason some people got fsck errors once in a while.  The
   race-condition was pretty hard to find, and depends on a lot of
   things (buffer cache size, speed of the disk and computer speed). 

 - fpu emulator patches (mainly for the re-entrancy problem) by me and
   W. Metzenthen.

 - various wait-queue changes - the kernel uses the waiting mechanism
   more efficiently now.

 - the NFS client support code is there: the actual nfs code is still in
   alpha (although reported to be pretty stable) and has to be gotten
   separately. 

 - NR_OPEN was changed from 32 to 256 (which is what SunOS seems to use,
   so I hope it won't need any further changes).  This has lead to some
   incompatibilities (GNU emacs and the term program seem to need
   recompilation to work correctly), as the 'select()' system call has a
   slightly changed interface due to the new fd_set definition.

 - the process kernel stack is now on a separate page (needed due to the
   fact that the task_struct has now grown to almost 3kB due to the
   NR_OPEN changes).  This also means 'ps' needs patches..  My patches
   to ps-0.98 are available as 'ps-diff.Z' in the same directory as the
   kernel sources and diffs. 

 - various other changes: system call tracing by Ross Biro. Changed
   ll_rw_block interface (performance reasons: it will eventually be
   changed to accept several requests at once).  Malloc() was changed
   and renamed to kmalloc() due to the new interface.  Some tcp/ip
   patches (inode counting correction and some other changes). 

0.98.4 should hopefully be pretty stable: the main problem areas are
probably still tcp/ip and some of the tty code.  I'd appreciate
comments, bug-reports etc.

		Linus
From: simonich@uservx.plk.af.mil
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: SIMM Prices
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:13:51 GMT
Organization: Phillips Laboratory - Kirtland AFB

In article <1992Nov6.120324.17042@EE.Surrey.Ac.UK>, ee89jje%ee.surrey.ac.uk (Ed) writes:
> Just out of interest - can anyone in the States tell me how much SIMMs
> cost over there?
> 
> Cheers,
> Ed
> --
> Julian Edwards, alias Ed.| email: ee89jje@ee.surrey.ac.uk
> Dept. of Elec. Eng.      |
> University Of Surrey     |  Witty comment will be available when I'm feeling
> Guildford. ENGLAND.      |  more witty.

Not an exhaustive search however:

	1M x 9 @ 80 ns ~$40
        1M x 9 @ 60 ns ~$45

        4M x 9 @ 80 ns ~ $139
        4M x 9 @ 60 ns ~$179

Source L.A. Trade (in califormia) as advertized in Computer Shopper.

         
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jnewbern@athena.mit.edu (Jeffrey L Newbern)
Subject: Re: Linux version 0.98-pl4
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:29:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.125634.36441@uservx.plk.af.mil> simonich@uservx.plk.af.mil writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.121307.7872@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>, Thomas.Peikenkamp@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Thomas Peikenkamp) writes:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> After reading its init file, emacs is stopped by signal SIGIOT.
>> 0.98-4 is the first Linux version showing this behaviour. Any clues?
>> 
>> Thomas
>> 
>
>I had the same problem.  Check the "Problem w/p4 and emacs "
>thread.
>
>The bottom line is recompile emacs.

it is not necessary to recompile emacs if you have the kernel source.
until you can get a new emacs binary, you can change the definition of
NR_OPEN in limits.h to 32 and then recompile the kernel, since kernel
source is easier to come by than emacs source.  this is only a temporary
fix, but it works.

jeff
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: lee@Hawaii.Edu (Greg Lee)
Subject: X with ATI Wonder 28800-2
Organization: University of Hawaii
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:40:21 GMT


ruhtra@turing.toronto.edu (Arthur Tateishi) wrote:

}I've got XFree86-1.1 working on my ATI VGA Charger(28800-4), recognized
}as V6. With the help of Wayne Hayes, we have pinpointed it to
}the first value in the extraPlusXLAndOrMasks array in driver.c.
}The 28 needs to be changed to 31.

This also works for my version of the ATI VGA Wonder, which X recognizes
as:
  ATI BIOS Information Block:
   Signature code:                31 = VGA WONDER
   Chip version:                  3 =  ATI 28800-2
   BIOS version:                  1.3
   Byte at offset 0x42 =          0x11
   Byte at offset 0x44 =          0x49

  This video adapter is a:        VGA WONDER PLUS (V6)
  Amount of RAM on video adapter: 512k

--
Greg Lee <lee@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jem@snakemail.hut.fi (Johan Myreen)
Subject: Re: Problems with XFree86 and S3 server
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<9103598@MVB.SAIC.COM> <BxL9JL.2JE@news.iastate.edu>
Date: 13 Nov 92 10:08:46 GMT

In article <BxL9JL.2JE@news.iastate.edu> mhbrekke@iastate.edu (Monty H. Brekke) writes:

>server (i.e.  no XS3) everything   works right except  that  the mouse
>driver is not being loaded. I have a 3-button Microsoft mouse on COM1.
>Could someone tell me the Xconfig setting for this mouse?

There is no mouse driver for serial mice. The X server talks directly
to the mouse via the serial drivers. Your Xconfig should say something
like

Microsoft     "/dev/ttys0"

--
Johan Myreen
jem@cs.hut.fi
From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: which(1) ? where-is-it : I-wrote-one
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:41:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Nov9.184149.27457
Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University

In article <9211082953@gandalf.moria>, michael@gandalf.moria (Michael Haardt) writes:
|> Hello,
|> 
|> I just noted that the GNU shellutils don't include which(1).  If there
|> is a version floating around, I would like to know where I can get it,
|> otherwise I offer to make mine (including manual page) available.
|> 
|> I am not too happy with using the one from Minix.  It is ok for me,
|> because I bought Minix, but others didn't and I think giving Minix-which
|> away is a copyright violation.
|> 
|> Michael

`which' is a builtin cmd for zsh and bash. Try `type' and make an alias.

H.J.
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