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From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: PCElm and Waffle
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:17:58 GMT
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

I just got finished finessing PCElm 3.01 into Waffle.

Not bad, on the whole, but some of it is a bit problematic. Part of
what I've encountered is:

1) USERNAME needs to be set to 'mailbox' instead of the login name

2) The default (uucp) extension for mailbox filename has to be '.f'

3) The colors have to be dickered with (UGH!) to match waffle

4) mail messages read and deleted aren't recognized by Waffle mail
   as having been deleted. (So messages just build up and up and up)

5) PCElm forces you into it's built-in editor, and your preferred
   editor must be invoked from there. (silly)

Since Tom has improved the mailer, I'm not so sure that an outside
mailer is worth the effort anymore. Anyway, I thought that I'd mumble
about what I found in case someone else was thinking about trying it
out. On the whole though, it's ok, but I'm going to stick with the
1.65 mailer.

--- 
Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
From: cnb@cnbisis.lerctr.org (Nelson Baird)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: 115200 Modem speed
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 10:34:16 CDT
Organization: ISIS, Inc, Ferris TX

Ralph Sims <ralphs@remote.halcyon.com> writes:

> bdl@cruiser.uucp (Bob Lombard) writes:
> 
> >   I'm trying to get waffle 1.64 to run with my telebit Worldblazer
> > at 115200 bps.  I'm using BNU170, locked @ 115200.  My question is,
> > what do it put in the speed: & locked: fields in waffle/system/static ?
> > anything i tried just gave me an '..unsupported..' message.
> 
> >   I'm currently running @ 38400 w/o problems.
> 
> Either use 38400 or get WAF165.  The latter is preferred.
> 
   The above implies that you have gotten 1.65 to run at 115200... 
I am running fine at 57600, but 115200 gave me some kind of problem... 
What did you do to get 115200 to work?   (CPU and UART speed are not my 
problem since the uart is a 16550afm and the CPU is a 486 at 50Mhz.) 
 


 Thanks,
 C. Nelson Baird
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From: mlewis@cssnet.wplace.UUCP (Mark Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: 115200 Modem speed
Date: 4 Sep 92 09:49:22 GMT
Organization: The Waffle House, Waldo's Place USA


bdl@cruiser.uucp (Bob Lombard) writes:

>   I'm trying to get waffle 1.64 to run with my telebit Worldblazer
> at 115200 bps.  I'm using BNU170, locked @ 115200.  My question is,
> what do it put in the speed: & locked: fields in waffle/system/static ?
> anything i tried just gave me an '..unsupported..' message.
>
>   I'm currently running @ 38400 w/o problems.

this was brought up just a few weeks ago... since 57600 and up ARE 
supported by the FOSSIL driver, it appears that Waffle is the "culprit" 
here.... the message from Waffle about the speed being "unsupported in 
the driver" is misleading in that everyone assumes that "driver" means 
the FOSSIL driver.... again, evidently, not! remember, Waffle also has 
an internal driver that does the communication... 

)\/(ark


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From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: DTR/AT do not work... need an axe.
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 16:40:07 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

Thanks for suggestions on my modem not hanging up problem and thus, causing
the "Awaiting Call" never to menstruate. (........'s) and thus, hangs the
system until a forced reset.

DTR doesn't do beans with AT. The modem just get's unruly and says, DTR? Ha,
what's that...

What I need is if someone has or knows of a program that merely does this.

KILL (program name) COMX:

Merely put. KILL will force the modem to literally reset. Hang up. Reboot.
Die. End Of Line. No Carrier. Kaput.

When I get a feed, the modem just sometimes never hangs up... it gets
confused and I want to be able to kill it myself.

DTR ON
AT COM2:+++
AT COM2:ATH

that all works when the modem works fine, and on feeds I like to pick
up the phone when it debatches:

DTR ON
AT COM2:ATH1
uuxqt
AT COM2:ATH0

and that works all dandy when the modem is cooperating... but I want to do:

KILL COM2:
DTR ON
AT COM2:ATH1
uuxqt
...etc...

I've even added a DTR OFF before the DTR ON and seperated all the commands
with up to 2 seconds of wait time for the modem to respond OK, etc... NOTHING
WORKS!

Does anyone have such a KILL program?

<X>orcist

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From: roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: TMA114
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 20:24:59 CDT
Organization: Villa CyberSpace, Minneapolis, MN

Y'know, Mr. Murphy thinks very highly of me!

Not 24 hours after The Moderator's Assistant went out, somebody found a
bug.  Not a lot of fun, but what the heck......

So, I've uploaded TMA114.ZIP to halcyon (in ~/pub/incoming, this time)
and to SIMTEL20.  It'll take a few days to show up at SIMTEL, of course.

Meanwhile, if you have 1.12 and run Waffle 1.65, make sure you have a
static entry for your bin directory.  This is a 1.64ism that will cause
no harm to 1.65, and avoid the bug showing up and stopping TMA from
running.

Happy moderating!
--
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roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu  [my opinions]            sometimes, you're the bug!"
cybrspc!roy@cs.umn.edu  [my $0.0275 ]                      --Mark Knopfler
From: cowan@aqua.ocunix.on.ca (Darin Cowan (root))
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waf1.64-XT-HST/DS- only getting 350cps
Keywords: s l o w
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 02:39:19 GMT
Organization: The Aquarium, Ottawa, Ontario

rjt@softin.lonestar.org (Richard Threlkeld) writes:

> dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (dogbowl) writes:
> 
> > cowan@aqua.ocunix.on.ca (Darin Cowan (root)) writes:
> > 
> > > Mostly he needs a buffered UART that can handle the communications
> > > while the computer putts along.  I've seen people run high speed modems
> > > on XTs with no problems - provided they have a NS16550AFN UART on the
> > > serial card.  It's a $15 part.
> > 
> > Last time I tried to get one I was quoted nz$75 ( about US$40 )
> > and that was from a wholesaler.
> > 
> > I wouldn't mind finding out a cheap source in the US who take Visa....
> > 
> I paid about $100 for two on a board with one parallel port and a game port,
> but my local wholesaler now has a board with two 16550AFN's (and nothing 
> else) for about $45.  If you qualify as a reseller and cannot get a similar 
> deal, email me and I will provide a source to you.

I bought 4 of them, retail and paid a total of $60 before tax here in
Canada (Ottawa).  I have bought them wholesale in 1990 for $8.50 each.
That's just the UART chip, not the chip and card.



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                      cowan@aqua.ocunix.on.ca
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From: jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Vacation program
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:58:59 GMT
Organization: The little node that could...

kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:

> I can't get vacation.exe to work. I get an error stating my
> waffle environment variable is not set, which is nuts because
I too had this problem. Read EXACTLY what it's telling you-- It probably
says "BIN STATIC NOT DEFINED", or similiar such thing beginning with
"BIN". What this is telling you is that in your ~\static file, you don't
have a path listed for BIN... from my ~\static file:

files        : c:\
spool        : c:\waffle\spool
temporary    : c:\waffle\temp
user         : c:\waffle\user
waffle       : c:\waffle
#### Added since vacation was added ####
bin          : c:\waffle\bin

     Adding that one line took care of it.

                                        Jeff

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From: markr@sound.cts.com (Mark B. Reinhold)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Problems with NEWSdir
Keywords: newsgroups waffle
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 21:55:11 PDT
Organization: SDCT 1-619-461-3415

bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick) writes:
> >  
> > We're having a little trouble with subdirectories created by UUXQT for the
> > NEWS-directory... somehow this is not very stable in DOS, and as a result w
> > often have many lost- en crosslinked clusters...
> 
> I've not seen Waffle (uuxqt) EVER do anything rude to directories.
> Well, except that DOS hates group names like *.aux and c++ or like
> that. Then, they just never get created.

I would have to agree with that. I have 225 newsgroups, and starting
with 1.64, and now 1.65, I have never ever had a problem with waffle
creating the newsgroups once I put them in the forum files.

Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Amazing ADMIN entries!
Keywords: dos waffle 165
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 19:52:49 GMT

In article <yTH1qB3w165w@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca> frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca writes:
|They appear to be related to ADMIN functions.  Here are a few:
|  - Most excellent.

You'll see this if there's an error but there's no error.  (I.E., you probably
won't see this)

|Are these available in some way or are they just unfinished business for 
|1.66?!?

All the others you mentioned are unimplemented options -- that's why you
don't see them when you're editing a user.

  Bill
From: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Multiple addresses
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:36:56 GMT
Reply-To: pacolley@ember.UUCP (Paul Colley)
Organization: Ember---private system

In article <7wcTqB2w165w@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca>
frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca writes:

>ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:
>
>> Waffle will send ONE mail message on to your smarthost for mail to
>> multiple addresses.  It's then up to the smarthost to break it down
>> into separate messages or send them on in bulk form, depending.
>
>Huh?  I believe mine still creates multiple spool copies.  Is there some 
>sort of static option one must set to pass only one message instead?

Steve's right.  At least, since I'm upstream of him, Steve had
BETTER be right, since my mailer (Xenix 2.3.2) will happily, ant
totally, trash messages that have multiple addresses.

- Paul Colley
University:  colley@qucis.queensu.ca
Home:        pacolley@ember.uucp   watmath!ember!pacolley  +1 613 545 3807
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From: markr@sound.cts.com (Mark B. Reinhold)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: "orphan" folder
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 08:05:01 PDT
Organization: SDCT 1-619-461-3415

mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley) writes:
> I use a bat file (called sysadmin.bat) that does amoung other
> things, looks for various abnormal files.  If it finds
> \user\system\orphan.i, it will email my account a notice of that.
> Same with \spool\lost\*.D, \spool\unbatch\*.*, and a few others.
> This is called via the scheduler each night.
> 
> Another bat file runs once weekly and send me stats on the sytem,
> free space, diskhog, etc.  It's nice to have the system generate
> this stuff automaticly rather than the ole manual file
> lister/shell method when you finally realize that something is
> amiss.

Well, mike this the long way around, but I would sure like to
see those batch files, and start making this ole network do some
of the work.

Mark
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waf1.64-XT-HST/DS- only getting 350cps
From: mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us (mike batchelor)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 08:21:49 PDT
Distribution: world               
Organization: The Batchelor Pad

dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz (dogbowl) writes:
>
> cowan@aqua.ocunix.on.ca (Darin Cowan (root)) writes:
> 
> > Mostly he needs a buffered UART that can handle the communications
> > while the computer putts along.  I've seen people run high speed modems
> > on XTs with no problems - provided they have a NS16550AFN UART on the
> > serial card.  It's a $15 part.
> 
> Last time I tried to get one I was quoted nz$75 ( about US$40 )
> and that was from a wholesaler.
> 
> I wouldn't mind finding out a cheap source in the US who take Visa....


The Kandy Shack, in Garden Grove, California, Mike Bernstien is the
owner.

16550 UARTs for $15, plus shipping.

714-638-7308 (voice)
800-638-1170 (outside CA - don't know if it's good overseas)
714-636-2667 (modem - you can leave an order on line in a comment to
              the sysop)
714-636-6970 (FAX)

Mastercard/VISA/COD

He also has 2S/1P/1G cards with two socketed 16550's installed for $59.



[] ---
[] Mike Batchelor -- mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us
[] Long Beach, California
From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Disabling autoanswer
Date: 10 Sep 92 03:45:03 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066

amillar@bolis.SF-Bay.Org (Alan Millar) writes:

> Now I always have auto-answer turned off, and no more problems.  I actually
> changed the INITIALIZE string in the static file to include S0=0 instead
> of S0=1 so I know it is always off.  AUTO-ATA is a great feature.

Would someone be so kind as to explain AUTO-ATA and how to use it?  Is it 
only available on certain brands of modems?  How about the Practical 
9600SA?  Or is it some kind of TSR that accomplishes the same thing?

Thanks in advance.

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| Steve Frampton - frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca | Steve Frampton     |
| I collect postcards!  If you send me one from | 501-A Princess St. |
| your area, I'll send one in return.  Send to >| Kingston, Ontario  |
| (Don't forget both email and mailing address) | CANADA   K7L 1C3   |
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From: system@micromed.com (Duane Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: "orphan" folder
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 11:38:51 PDT
Organization: Micro-Medic BBS - +1 408 279 5240 - Public Access

mikey@slic.cts.com (Mike Shirley) writes:
> amillar@bolis.SF-Bay.Org (Alan Millar) writes:
> 
> > kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:
> > 
> > > I just noticed a bounced email message, and tried to go into
> > > the "orphan" folder via SYSMAIL to look at it. There was no
> > > new mail, so I got the "To:" prompt. Exited, and tried SYSMAIL *
> > > to get a list of folders. I got a list of my OWN folders, not
> > > system's folders. Is there something I am overlooking here?
> > 
> > I just asked about this last week.  Nobody has responded with an
> > answer of how to do it with waffle.  A few mentioned dos tricks,
> > but most don't seem to care about bounces.  I'll post my trick pretty
> > soon.
> 
> I use RWMAIL to look into the system and root folders.  More
> convienent and gets around the sysmail * problem.  I run them
> generally inside a seperate Desqview window which is very
> simple and quicker than logging in as root or system.

Why not just add the following lines to the end of your POLLing batch
file?

if exist \user\system\orphan.f copy \user\system\orphan.* \user\{your dir}
if exist \user\system\orphan.f del \user\system\orphan.*

This will move the orphan folder into your user directory where you
can access it easily.






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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: Problem with write-command ?
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:51:43 GMT

otto@jybox.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela) writes:

>Anyone else noticed problems with the write command ?  I just got the
>wcp161.zip uuencoded from a mail server, and when I saved it I twice
>got uuencode file interrupted by ^A's.  Perhaps a length limitation ?
>I ended up taking the whole mailbox.f into emacs and munging it there.

If you do a 'w filename' there won't be any ctrl-a's.  Doing a
straight 'w' seems to dump it to mailbox-style format.
From: rick@vsystem.wimsey.bc.ca (Rick Vandenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: replies going to wrong address, vms list
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:04:54 PDT
Organization: Vandenberg Systems Research, Vancouver BC

kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:

> Another feature I have found... when I get a mail message from
> Vmail with "Re:" in the subject line, and then reply to that
> message, yet another "Re:" is added to the subject line.
> 
> "Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:".. well, you get the idea.
> 

The reason this happens is that VMS improperly adds a space to the
beginning of the subject line.  Waffle, and most likely other mail
readers check for the Re:, and the space messes this up.  My fault, and
it was fixed quite some time ago.  I can't remember if version 1.22 does
this, but rest assured the next version won't.

Rick

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: jc@panix.com (John Ratjen)
Subject: Re: UGATE
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:16:06 GMT
Distribution: WORLD
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC
Keywords: UGATE, MHS, Waffle

In article <eTq1qB1w165w@surfcty.com> chris@surfcty.com (Chris Johnston) writes:
>Has anyone found out where UGATE (or UUGATE?) is hiding?
>I understand that it will allow Novell MHS go to UUCP,
>ultimately to waffle (and with some magic, to ccMail).
>
>Any help would be appreciated.

If you are a member if NHUB send an MHS message to LIBRARY@NOVELLPM with
a subject of GUIDE.  If that doesn't list UGATE try a subject of INDEX.
One of these should list the proper keyword.

If you don't have access to NHUB or Compuserve's hub I could probably find
the address of the author for you.  Send me mail.



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From: pat cain <patrick@sideways.welly.gen.nz>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Control Show On/Off
Summary: F8 in waffle
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1992 13:27:38 GMT
Organization: Sideways Bulletin Board, Lower Hutt, New Zealand

jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin) in <D5giqB1w165w@eternal.chi.il.us> writes:
>      Hi Folks! I've scanned the docs, and am unable to tell... What does
> CONTROL SHOW ON|OFF do? (F8 from the F1-Local Menu)

Not sure, but at a guess it's probably for the F10 terminal mode -
whether it displays control characters literally or as ^char.
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: john@jwt.UUCP (John Temples)
Subject: Re: sig length in waffle
Organization: Private system -- Orlando, FL
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:10:28 GMT

In article <cqJNqB2w165w@eternal.chi.il.us> jgostin@eternal.chi.il.us (Jeff Gostin) writes:
>dkw@wolferts.ka.sub.org (Dr. Klaus Wolferts) writes:
>
>> Is there any restriction in the length of a sig in waffle (1.64)?
>No. 

There certainly is.  From mail.c:

/*
 *  s i g n a t u r e
 *
 *  [...]
 *  Limit of 8 lines enforced if using buffer except
 *  the systemwide signature, which has a 4 line limit.
 *
 */


The second parameter of the addsig() procedure is the maximum allowed
number of lines.  Note there is a bug in this procedure which actually
allows one line more than requested.

I could find no evidence of this feature being documented.
-- 
John W. Temples -- john@jwt.UUCP  (jwt!john@peora.sdc.ccur.com)
From: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca (Steve Frampton)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Multiple addresses
Date: 9 Sep 92 03:01:29 GMT
Reply-To: frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: Vicuna Systems, Kingston, ON (613) 547-5066

ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

> Waffle will send ONE mail message on to your smarthost for mail to
> multiple addresses.  It's then up to the smarthost to break it down
> into separate messages or send them on in bulk form, depending.
> In past versions, Waffle would queue multiple copies of the same
> message.  It appears that using rmail from the command line
> produces different results.

Huh?  I believe mine still creates multiple spool copies.  Is there some 
sort of static option one must set to pass only one message instead?

+-----------------------------------------------+--------------------+
| Steve Frampton - frampton@vicuna.ocunix.on.ca | Steve Frampton     |
| I collect postcards!  If you send me one from | 501-A Princess St. |
| your area, I'll send one in return.  Send to >| Kingston, Ontario  |
| (Don't forget both email and mailing address) | CANADA   K7L 1C3   |
+-----------------------------------------------+--------------------+
From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: LINES in the headder of WAFFLE
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:10:11 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

gordon@pinetree.org (Gordon Dewis) writes:
> This subject came up a couple of months back in a.b.waffle and I think it 
> was concluded that Lines: is not a required header line and that software 
> which does require it is "broken".  I believe someone posted a little 
> uuencoded program which added the Lines: header entry if you're in that 
> very rare situation where your upstream newsfeed requires it.

Please *don't* use such a program.  Instead, get your upstream site to fix
its broken software.  If it doesn't, some articles arriving at that site will
be dumped and you'll only get a partial newsfeed.

"Lines:" is an entirely optional header.  I can quote RFC1036 chapter and
verse to prove it if you want.


mathew
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