HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: The woes of ^Z
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 10:07:04 MST
Followup-To: alt.religion.computers
Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.98

[I believe we are now off-topic in c.b.w - followups changed]

phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill) writes:

> It doesn't matter who does newline scanning, it all costs the same.
> Scanning for a newline is very simple, and only takes an additional
> few instruction.  It's the same instructions if the DOS kernel does
> the scanning or if Waffle does the scanning.

personally, the choice for me is to use the hand-crafted assembly in the
turbo pascal runtime library, or do it myself with code the compiler
cranks out.  and while turbo pascal is a big improvement on pascal for
the things I do, it still doesn't make writing a replacement readln very
easy.

ok, actually, it does.  but this program's already getting close to too
big to be useful for its intended audiences, and doubling the native vs
custom readln support would hurt.  what would be best for me would be
a compile-time option `no more ^Z backward compatability while accessing
the disk in the readlns'.

if having ^Z in news postings becomes the new fad, I guess I'll have to
do something about it - but not yet.
-- 
Russell Schulz  russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  ersys!rschulz  Shad 86c
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers
From: fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus James HENDERSON)
Subject: Re: The woes of ^Z
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 20:31:28 GMT

russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Russell Schulz) writes:

>if having ^Z in news postings becomes the new fad, I guess I'll have to
>do something about it - but not yet.

Was that an invitation?
Should I start  inserting  control-Z all over the place?


Maybe it'll catch on ;-)

-- 
Fergus Henderson             fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU      
This .signature virus is a self-referential statement that is true - but 
you will only be able to consistently believe it if you copy it to your own
.signature file!
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Where the mac really wins
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:12:11 GMT

In article <1h33k2INNh0m@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> craig@ec.uwa.oz.au (Craig Richmond - division) writes:

>Many of the students who come and use our lab only use the computers for
>2-3 hours a week and would never even contemplate a computer for the home.
>The average computer will set you back $2000 after CPU, printer etc and
>will be worth $0 in 5 years.  at 150 hours per year that comes to about 750
>hours of use for some of our less enthusiastic students which means that
>their wonderful 486 bought now has cost them $2 an hour to use when they
>can come into the University lab and spend nothing in our lab, or $1 a day
>in the Maths lab.

Why would a student need a 486 unless he absolutely needs one? Why not 
buy a used 286, or even an 8088 and use it for writing papers and banging 
out 123 sheets? If, as you say, Macs have a higher resale value, said 
used PC will cost far less than a comparable used Mac Plus.

-- 
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From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,alt.flame.spelling
Subject: Re: Differences between modems...
Followup-To: alt.flame.spelling
Date: 23 Dec 1992 22:53:41 GMT
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<mortenk.130.723847799@dhhalden.no>
	<1992Dec11.175246.309@newstand.syr.edu>
	<1gi7sjINN3v7@scout.ksu.ksu.edu>
Reply-To: J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@larc.nasa.gov>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov
In-reply-to: halifax@scout.ksu.ksu.edu's message of 14 Dec 1992 09:05:55 -0600

In article <1gi7sjINN3v7@scout.ksu.ksu.edu> halifax@scout.ksu.ksu.edu (The blah master!) writes:

   Obviously you are both wrong!
   Alt.religon.computers is for the discussion of worshiping techniques
   of the major computer dieties.  Introducing of new chants are also
-------------------------^^^^^^^
Translation: Food is part of religion.  Dump your food into your computer
to see what it eats.
--
J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
    employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at
         NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
From: petrilli@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Chris Petrilli)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers
Subject: Re: Where the mac really wins
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:42:40 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundency Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <dweldy.724894351@digirolamo.ecn.purdue.edu> dweldy@digirolamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Dennis E Weldy) writes:
>
>	Heard of something called the i860? No, no...now that I think about it,
>probably not.

Sorry to burst your intel bubble, but the i860 is a lovely graphics
processor in my NeXT, but it can't cut it as a general purpose CPU.  It's
entirely too dependent on being able to keep itself fully loaded with
multiple instructions at the same time.  "Easy" when doing graphics, not so
easy with general computing.

Chris

-- 
| Chris Petrilli                                             ____
| petrilli@gnu.ai.mit.edu             ``Quayle is a bozoe.'' \  /
| I don't even speak for myself.                              \/
Newsgroups: alt.religion.sabaean
From: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kelly Martin)
Subject: Re: e-meter
Reply-To: scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Gender Anarchists United
	<schafmei.724578205@sfu.ca> <1992Dec17.170504.4673@memstvx1.memst.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:13:22 GMT

isds11990012@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

>That is good, because charge in Scn has an entirely different meaning.

yes.  like most of the scientific/technical words that scientology has
usurped, "charge" has the same meaning when it's convenient for it do
so, and a different one when it's not.  the classic case is the abuse
of "mass" and "energy"; they "mean different things", but the
Einsteinian E=mc^2 still applies...

yet another example of how scientology tries to sound scientific, this
time by loading its language with inappropriately borrowed jargon.

--
No responsible person attempts to absolve himself of the bad effects of his
actions by blaming the actions of others.  Irresponsible people, of course, do
it all the time.
	-- Chip Salzenberg (chip@tct.com), news.groups
From: sol@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (chris s de voir)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: A Technology of Contradictions (Was: Scientology: It's just "a joke".)
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:29:58 GMT

gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:

>Whenever I hear about Scientology being hierarchical, I'm reminded of
>criticism towards Jehovah Witness's.  I believe I mentioned this in
>here before, though maybe not.
> 
>The idea that rules and power and hierarchy dominate beliefs and
>values.  The ELDERS tell you what the RULES are and mean.  The
>gobbledygook of Scientology needs interpretation by THOSE IN THE KNOW.
>Am I wrong?
> 
>                              Nik

I would say that LRH is the only acknowledged ELDER.  He wrote the rules
and decided what they mean.  But there is still room for much interpretation
If you get into some place in Scientology where you interpret differently
from a supervisor, he will simply keep you in an interative loop restudying
and flunking you until you duplicate his interpretation.  Anyone less than
LRH isn't really allowed to interpret for you directly.  But they can flunk
you in training until you do it their way.
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: schafmei@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris Schafmeister)
Subject: Re: Scientology: It's just "a joke".
Keywords: PT BARNUM A FOOL AND HIS MONEY
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:58:36 GMT

chipg@access.digex.com (Chip Gallo) writes:

>So Annette, why are you posting to this newsgroup?

><Chip>

For that matter, why are you?

Or any of us?

Questions, questions, questions.

.Chris.

P.S. Thanks for the E-mail Chip, it was good for a laugh.


Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: schafmei@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris Schafmeister)
Subject: Re: For the record...
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 22:43:36 GMT

sol@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (chris s de voir) writes:

>schafmei@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris Schafmeister) writes:

>>You speak quite knowlegably, where did you learn all this stuff?

>I knew this question was bound to come up.  I am an ex-scientologist.
>I was trained to Level IV.  I was part way through my internship when
>I decided I had to leave the CoS.  Maybe now I'm going to be a problem
>for the Scientologists in this group but I don't have any hidden crimes
>and I am willing to continue the dialogue.

Hidden crimes! Sheesh, that term always gets me heated up.
It is fear-mongering, plain and simple.
How does scientology define crime?

What caused you to leave the church?
Why did you stay so long and then finally leave?
Do you still believe any of the material you were taught?
How did you start?

I hope I'm not being too rude in asking.
You have mentioned your uncertianty in speaking before, I understand if
you don't want to answer, but I hope you will.

.Chris.

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: schafmei@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris Schafmeister)
Subject: Re: Ex-scientologist
Keywords: Auditor
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:55:16 GMT

Chris (de Voir), if I may, here are a few more questions:

You mentioned a while ago that 'Dianetics:MSMH' was something
of a 'red-herring' and that within this news group we are
only discussing things that are low on the scientology bridge.
What are some of the things that are discussed higher up
in scientology?

You said that you were level 4 (or 3) when you left.
Does that mean OT IV (or III)?
For someone with only a vague understanding of the different
levels within scientology...
How far through scientology did you actually get?

-- On the lighter side --

If it wasn't for the tragic circumstances of your initiation into scientology;
from your description of your experiences within scientology, 
I would call you a 'Religious Spelunker'.

Have you ever heard anything about Xemu (Xenu) within scientology?

How is Xemu? ;->


.Chris.
From: aabst5@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Scientology:  It's just "a joke".
Summary: We're looking for a few good men (with lots of $$$ and no brains)
Keywords: PT BARNUM A FOOL AND HIS MONEY
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:14:02 GMT
Reply-To: LRH@hell.gov
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <SCG.92Dec21213000@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>,
scg@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Kelly Martin) writes:

> davidb@engin.umich.edu (David Bonnell) writes:

>>Also I'm open to honest questions and inquiries.  My temper runs very
>>short for smart-asses and people who know nothing about Scientology
>>who try to slam it for kicks.  I have a policy of immediate reverse
>>slamming.

> does this policy include sending random email messages to people of
> the form "what crimes have you committed that you are hiding?"  i
> think i got one of those gems from you, unsolicted, earlier this year.
> kinda funny because i hadn't been active here for over a month when i
> got your note.  me and my friends got a good laugh out of it.

Didn't you know that was David's "little joke".  That's yet another part
of the unwritten code of Scientology:  When you call them on the carpet, it's
just "a joke".  When you press them for evidence, it's just "a joke".

When they claim to go out of body or stop the rain or whatever, it was all
just "a joke".  When they threaten to reveal your HIDDEN CRIMES it was just
"a joke".

I get the feeling that the bottom line in Scientology is that it's 
*ALL* just "a joke".  So remember that before spending your $$$ with these
frauds.  Or at least get them to clarify when it's "a joke" and when it's not.


So where's the "Big Surprise" that we were do for on Dec 18th?  What?  It was
just "a joke"?  Why am I not surprised?
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Re: A Technology of Contradictions (Was: Scientology: It's just "a joke".)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 08:24:51 GMT

Whenever I hear about Scientology being hierarchical, I'm reminded of
criticism towards Jehovah Witness's.  I believe I mentioned this in
here before, though maybe not.
 
The idea that rules and power and hierarchy dominate beliefs and
values.  The ELDERS tell you what the RULES are and mean.  The
gobbledygook of Scientology needs interpretation by THOSE IN THE KNOW.
Am I wrong?
 
                              Nik

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: For the record...
Summary: Counterexample: the "improved" communication skills of a Scientologist
Organization: StorageTek, Louisville, CO
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:59:03 GMT

Back in <BynMFI.HL9@csn.org> on December 2, 1992, I posted the following:

>In article <1fj8peINNe6n@roche.csl.sri.com> dsidlo@cisco.com (David Sidlo) writ\es:
>>- I can communicate with others more easily.
>>
>>The application of the Scientology theories of communication have brought
>>about a greater expansion in me. I now know where and how communication
>>breaks down and confusion and chaos arise.
>>
>>It is very interesting how simple these theories really are.  It is just that
>>simplicity which makes them so easily overlooked by one who is so immersed
>>with the complexity of living in this day and age.
>
>David, could you demonstrate to us those communications skills? Could you
>communicate to us what LRH meant when he said:
>
>>>>No other subjects on Earth except physics and chemistry have had such
>>>>grueling testing.
>
>Strangely, no Scientologist on this news list has ever been able to
>communicate what that means....
>>
>>- David Sidlo -
>>

Unfortunately, David failed the communication test: he failed to communicate
an answer to the question.

Would any other Scientologist care to attempt the communication test? Or
should we just file away Mr. Sidlo's claim into the Asserted but
Unproven/Undemonstrated File folder?

Perhaps we need a "Scientologist Equation":

Demonstrable Claim + Absence of Evidence = Scientologist

Now, could someone help me assign the units? :-)

--phil
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: erichill@microsoft.com (Eric Hill)
Subject: Re: I Have *No* Integrity!
Date: 18 Dec 92 10:24:20 GMT
Organization: MICROSOFT MFG, 

In article <842@blue.cis.pitt.edu> aabst5@vms.cis.pitt.edu writes:
>In other words he can't demonstrate the validity of "Scien"tology.  This
>leads one to accurately conclude that there is very little "science" in
>Scientology.  LRH's claim that Scientology has been "tested" is hogwash.
>
>With that understood, one can dismiss Scientology as just another crackpot
>religion who's followers are dupes and pawns of the people who are living
>high on the hog from the sweat and toil of those dupes and pawns.
>
>In short: Scientology is a CULT.

Any group of people who follow a leader could be descibed
as a cult.  Being a cult may not be a bad thing.  But scn is
a destructive cult.  The rest of your article appears to be 
very true.
Eric Hill


-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: schafmei@fraser.sfu.ca (Chris Schafmeister)
Subject: Re: Ex-scientologist
Keywords: Auditor
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 07:25:45 GMT

sol@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (chris s de voir) writes:

> [text deleted to save bandwidth. I strongly recommend the original
>  posting about Chris de Voir's experiences in Scientology (.Chris.)]


I stand slightly in awe.
At the moment, I'm also at a loss for words.

.Chris.

P.S.: Paraphrased words of Holly, 
      the super-intellegent computer on the Red Dwarf:

"Every day we come ever closer to loosing hope
 in the face of a cold and uncaring universe...
 ...
 ...
 still you've got to laugh."
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Background
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:09:51 GMT
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA


Is the scientology movement acknowledging ties to dianetics and general
semantics yet?  When I last checked that tie-ins were, in spite of the obvious
connections, being denied.


--
James W. Meritt:  m23364@mwunix.mitre.org - or - jmeritt@mitre.org
The opinions above are mine.  If anyone else wants to share them, fine.
They may say so if they wish. The facts "belong" to noone and simply are.
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Scientology: It's just "a joke".
From: lindsay+@cs.cmu.edu (Donald Lindsay)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 20:09:19 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon


In article <6622@pdxgate.UUCP> sol@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (chris s de voir) writes:
>I think the poor, undereducated and
>sub-normal and other sorts of losers drift into Scientology paritally
>by mistake and partially in desperation.  It is common practice to
>"ruin" someone as part of the process of induction into the CoS.

I don't think I understand your use of the word "ruin". Could
you explain, please?
-- 
Don		D.C.Lindsay	Carnegie Mellon Computer Science
From: sol@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (chris s de voir)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Scientology: It's just "a joke".
Date: 1 Jan 93 22:45:43 GMT

lindsay+@cs.cmu.edu (Donald Lindsay) writes:


>In article <6622@pdxgate.UUCP> sol@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (chris s de voir) writes:
>>I think the poor, undereducated and
>>sub-normal and other sorts of losers drift into Scientology paritally
>>by mistake and partially in desperation.  It is common practice to
>>"ruin" someone as part of the process of induction into the CoS.

>I don't think I understand your use of the word "ruin". Could
>you explain, please?
>-- 
>Don		D.C.Lindsay	Carnegie Mellon Computer Science

By ruining somebody you run a little black psychoanalysis on them.
If you are trained on the Levels there is plenty of stuff there to
stir up in people.  You basically get people bummed out about their
lives after having gotten into some kind of communication with them.
You can get them to talk about breakdowns in relationships, betrayals
disagreements, wrongs done against them (not the other way around
until later) or maybe the general state of disintegration of society,
the enviroment or education.  Failed goals etc...  Then you tell them
did you know that someone figured it out (the something that was very important
to them).  And they will naturally want to know more.   They will reach.
You show them what a wreck their life is, what a disappointment and then
you tell them it's been solved.  And they reach.  And then you steer
their body into the CoS.  Job done.
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: lindsay+@cs.cmu.edu (Donald Lindsay)
Subject: Re: Hi guys
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:29:17 GMT

davidb@engin.umich.edu (David Bonnell) writes:
> I sent her one message to get her riled

You also sent me a message.  Perhaps now you are ready to answer my
question. To remind you, it was:

  How can the statement "All opponents of Scientology have hidden
  crimes" be taken as sane?

>Also I'm open to honest questions and inquiries.  My temper runs very
>short for smart-asses and people who know nothing about Scientology who
>try to slam it for kicks.  I have a policy of immediate reverse slamming.  

A personality defect. If the Church did not have the same defect, it
would have fewer enemies.
-- 
Don		D.C.Lindsay	Carnegie Mellon Computer Science
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Re: Background
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:28:52 GMT

In article <6601@pdxgate.UUCP> sol@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (chris s de voir) writes:
}Hubbard does credit Korzybski (originator of General Semantics) with some
}useful ideas.  General Semantics was later championed by Senator Hayakawa.
}They are two separate movements.

Why are there many instances in which Hubbard claimed to originate ideas which
originated decades earlier in GS in material that Hubbard had access to?

}This information was provided to you by W.F.T.A.S. (Wogs for Truthfulness
}About Scientology).
Thank you.


Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt)
Subject: Re: Background
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:37:59 GMT

In article <6603@pdxgate.UUCP> sol@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (chris s de voir) writes:
>But as this forum is actively read by Scientologists who make threats to
>suppress free speech, I am hesitant to state my conclusions.

There are Internet servers which will allow anonymous posting to newsgroups.
Over the past n months, a few messages to this newsgroup have popped up
that used such anonymous servers.

Generally, I'd discourage use of such services. If you saw how much noise got
generated by the Scientologists when someone didn't have their FULL NAME in
their messages, you can imagine what sort of feeding frenzy would start if
information started flowing from a truly *anonymous* source. Also, paying too
much attention to contingencies which have yet to arise smacks of Consipracy
Theory (unless you know of events that you're not describing now). The
Scientologists here do a good enough job demonstrating Conspiracy Theory; I
see no need to compete with them.

--phil

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: markets@netcom.com (American Infomation Exchange)
Subject: Where is the FAQ list?
Reply-To: markets@netcom.netcom.com
Organization: (none)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 02:07:35 GMT

where is the faq for this list?  If the keeper of it is reading, maybe
he (she) could mail it to jeff@markets.amix.com?  

Thanks in advance.

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology