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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: DXers
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 10:53:24 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Robert Smits

taber@cimfie.enet.dec.com (PStJTT) writes:

> 
> In article <NDoyVB2w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca>, emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes...
> > 
> >What I dislike most about DX'ers in general, not just the rude and/or 
> >crude ones, is the effect thay have had on ham radio in general. Instead 
> >of encouraging people to reach out to each other, to learn about 
> >different customs, cultures and ways of life, dxing (and its attendant 
> >cousin, contesting) encourages many of the bad things in ham radio. A 
> >"win at all costs" attitude often seems to be coupled with a complete 
> >disinterest in the other ham except as a trophy for the wall. The whole 
> >Dxing/contesting crowd has infested ham radio with over zealous, overly 
> >competitive hams who will seemingly stop at nothing to get that little 
> >pasteboard.
> 
> Then follows it up with:
> > 
> >It's exactly this sort of egotistical reaction from DX'ers (who regard 
> >everything not DX as somehow not worth bothering about) that makes me 
> >regard DX'ers as pests who are ruining our hobby.
> > 
> 
> While the word "hypocrite" begs to be used, I think what we're really 
> seeing here is plain blindness: "What I do is ham radio. What you do is 
> junk."
> 
> Why does everyone have to do the same kind of operation?  Rag chewing
> has its place, but It's not the only reason for ham radio.  DX'ing has
> fueled the development of superior radios.  Contesting is great training
> for emergency operation. SSTV, HF packet, DX nets -- everything has a 
> place in ham radio.  Why rail against the wind?  
> 

It's exactly that sort of blindness on the part of the more obnoxious 
DX'er I'm railing about. Of course rag-chewing is not the only reason for 
ham radio, but the previous poster, in a section of the message you 
deleted, complained about rag-chewers taking up space on what he regarded 
as prime DX territory. My view is that rag-chewing is just as legitimate 
as Dxing, and that regarding rag-chewing as illegitimate or more 
frivolous (or less-deserving) than DXing is exemplified more and more by 
DX'ers. Perhaps we're all getting less tolerant.

Contesting has little to do with emergency operation, especially the kind 
needed in disaster areas, where the bulk of communications is done with 
mobiles and portables on 2M fm. Since when are rudeness, an inability to 
wait your turn, and using excessive power assets in an emergency?

Yes, there are many, many DX'ers to whom this does not apply. There are, 
however, far too many to whom it DOES apply. 

On the whole, DXing/contesting as it is presently practiced, and the 
attitudes this brings out in operators, if not outright encourages, does 
our hobby more harm then good. (In spite of the fact that not all 
contests/Dx'ers fall into this category.)



Robert Smits  VE7EMD Ladysmith B.C. 
Ph (604) 245-2553 e-mail: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca 
PACKET VE7EMD@VE7KIT.#VANC.BC.CAN.NA                             

                                         
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 22:07:31 MST
From: haymoree@bones (Edward Haymore)
Subject: Re: Clever Phonetics Needed--WK3C
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

flloyd@l1-a.West.Sun.COM (Fred Lloyd [Phoenix SE]) writes:
: 
: Cute phonetics are a regular peeve of mine.  Most people don't realize
: that they're not legal for the purposes of ID-ing.

Where's THAT in the regs?

--
Ed Haymore
ed_haymore@byu.edu
From: paul@n3eop.pgh.pa.us (paul)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Yaesu FT-890AT
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:20:05 GMT
Organization: CrossRoads in Elizabeth, PA

MGB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:

> I am considering purchasing the FT-890AT.  Does anyone have any recommendatio
> on that xceiver

Be sure to do a side by side comparison of the 890 with a TS-450 and 
IC-728.  All are good rigs, comparably priced.  You may just find you 
like one of the others better.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: taber@cimfie.enet.dec.com (PStJTT)
Subject: Re: DXers
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 16 DEC 92 11:20:59    


In article <1992Dec16.150741.21475@unixland.natick.ma.us>, sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg) writes...
> 
>*My* idea is to set aside a part of the band (top of each band, perhaps)
>where QSOs for DXCC and other major awards WOULD NOT COUNT. This would
>leave the area free for folks who want to make DX contacts to TALK, as
>opposed to add another endorsement to the awards on their walls.
> 

The problem, of course, is that the typical QSL card doesn't get down to
the last Hz when it specifies frequency.  Generally they say "20M" or
"14MHz" -- so how's an awards organization to know if it happened at the
top of the band or the bottom? 

The better option is to (a) be considerate of others at the same time 
you (b) understand that sometimes you're just unlucky (like finding a 
rare one under a morning chit-chat session.)

It's a hobby, after all.

>>>==>PStJTT
From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:06:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Clever Phonetics Needed--WK3C
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, roakley@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:

>	How about it folks?  Any great ideas for

>		WK3C	other than Washington Kissed Three Chicks
>			or Who Killed Three Cats


Hmmm, you say you're in Washington DC?   How about:

     We Killed 3 Congressmen

     Washington Kilowatt = 3-foot Corona

And for those spoil-sports who don't like "cute" phonetics:  of course,
these are not for use on the air.  Except maybe in a ragchew conversation
after callsigns have already been exchanged.

AL N1AL
From: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Yaesu FT-890AT
Date: 17 Dec 92 17:28:00 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

<78RTVB4w165w@n3eop.pgh.pa.us>
Reply-To: tskelton@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Tom Skelton)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC
Keywords: 

In article <78RTVB4w165w@n3eop.pgh.pa.us> paul@n3eop.pgh.pa.us (paul) writes:
>MGB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
>
>> I am considering purchasing the FT-890AT.  Does anyone have any
recommendatio
>> on that xceiver
>
>Be sure to do a side by side comparison of the 890 with a TS-450 and 
>IC-728.  All are good rigs, comparably priced.  You may just find you 
>like one of the others better.

I looked at all 3 rigs.  I wanted 6 meters (and this affected my
decision), but I chose the TS690S (TS450 + 6 meters). For the
features, cost and performance, I made the right decision for me.
Even though the first one out of the box failed (freq display) after
4 hours, it was replaced with no questions asked.  
Good luck! 73, Tom WB4IUX
-- 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: acm139@ccs.northeastern.edu (Scott Ehrlich)
Subject: HT suggestions wanted
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:54:00 GMT

Among the following, which would be the most recommended? If you have another
to add to the list, please do:

Yaesu FT-530 (2m/70cm, dual in-band receive [v/v, u/u, v/u], 
              Tone Squ enc/dec standard, backlit keypad, 
              multi-function speaker/mic)

Kenwood TH-78A (2m/70cm, dual in-band receive, Tone Squ enc/dec standard,
                alpha-numeric display, multi-function speaker/mic(s), backlit
                keypad?, slide-over cover to protect keypad)

Alinco DJ-580T (2m/70cm, Tone Squ enc/dec?, backlit keypad, cheaper than
                above two radios)

How about Standard HTs?

Please reply direct if you can to the address in my .signature

Thanks much!


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From: alanb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Alan Bloom)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:09:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Baluns useless? (was: Steel Wool Balun)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

In rec.radio.amateur.misc, mark@ve6mgs.ampr.org (Mark Salyzyn) writes:

>Actually, a more `convenient' method of reducing RF in the shack is to
>place a coaxial choke at the antenna (or the point at which you no
>longer want the Co-Ax to radiate) by coiling the Co-Ax into a loop.
>Good RF grounding practices in the shack can have an affect (good/bad,
>much like electro-shock therapy :-). Grounding to a water pipe will have
>unusual side effects (water pipe becomes part of an antenna system in
>someone's elses home).

As Mark implies, an earth ground may or may not help with RF in the
shack.  The problem is that almost any ground wire you can use will
likely be an appreciable fraction of 1/4 wavelength long on the highest
frequency band in use.  A 1/4-wave wire grounded at the far end 
"looks like" a high impedance, the opposite of what you want.

One solution I have found works well is counterpoise wires.  This is
a 1/4-wavelength long wire (one for each band in use) attached to 
a ground connection on the back of the rig.  The other end of the
wire is not connected.  Counterpoise wires perform the same function
as 1/4-wave radials on a "ground plane" vertical antenna.

AL N1AL

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: harp@bnr.ca (Alan Harp)
Subject: Re: KH0AM QSL Route
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Research Triangle Park, NC
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:58:30 GMT

In article <MAILQUEUE-99.921211092449.288@TAEX003N> g-taylor4@tamu.EDU writes:
>Does anyone have the QSL route for KH0AM who was active in the CQWW CW
>contest last month? Thanks.

>Greg...KD4HZ

>g-taylor4@tamu.edu


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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: sschend@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve E Schendel)
Subject: Re: Morse code upgrading
Keywords: SuperMorse
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:50:52 GMT


Hara being torn down is just a rumor, everything is the same as last year.
From: slovell@milton.u.washington.edu (Sherman Lovell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: IRF 511 as RF Power Amp
Date: 13 Dec 92 04:24:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec13.042425.16072
Reply-To: slovell@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


	In the April '89 QST Doug DeMaw wrote about using 
the IRF 511 Mosfet as a RF Power amplifier.  Wes Hayward then 
wrote an excellent follow-up article in the Nov '89 QST.  I'm 
wondering if anyone has experimented with these transistors and 
circuits.  Specifically,  I'm puzzled by the fact that neither 
DeMaw nor Hayward seems to have run into trouble with these 
transistors' considerable input capacitance -- the 511 has about 
100 pF and the IRF 530 that Hayward used has about 900pF!  
When I build the circuits in these articles this capacitance looks 
like a .001 uF shunt across the input.  Even the 511's lower input 
C is hardly insignificant -- it looks like 150 ohms Xc at 7 MHz.  Is 
there something I'm missing here?  Hayward and DeMaw 
blithely put a 50 ohm resistance across the input, or a 200 ohm 
one with a 4:1 transformer and seem to have no problems.  
When I do the same thing my little QRP rig sees the 50 ohms in 
parallel with a big capacitive shunt, producing something far 
from 1:1 input swr.
	Also, any thoughts, anecdotes, or suggestions regarding 
these transistors' tendency toward self-destruction from static 
electricity, too high Vgs, and parasitic oscillations?
	Thanks for your help.
	Sherm Lovell, WY7F
From: gws
Subject: ARRL Bulletin 113  ARLB113
Organization: HAM BBS, 614-895-2553 
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 22:41:21 GMT


============================================================== 
| 	Automatic relayed from packet radio via              | 
| N8EMR's Ham BBS, 614-895-2553                              |
==============================================================

ZCZC AG36
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 113  ARLB113
>From ARRL Headquarters Newington CT
December 16, 1992
Relayed by KB8NW/OBS & BARF-80 BBS
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB113
ARLB113 FCC call sign update

FCC ISSUED CALL SIGN UPDATE

The following is a list of the FCC's most recently issued call signs
as of December 1.

District       Group A        Group B        Group C        Group D
Extra          Advanced       Tech/Gen       Novice

0              AA0KS          KG0BY          N0UPN          KB0KUW
1              AA1EM          KD1LK          N1NUA          KB1AMB
2              AA2LN          KF2LH          N2SXD          KB2PPA
3              AA3CK          KE3FN          N3NQE          KB3AKE
4              AC4XF          KQ4JF           ++            KD4UHQ
5              AB5JD          KJ5GJ           ++            KB5WCU
6              AB6PC          KN6DF           ++            KD6PFZ
7              AA7SL          KI7IA           ++            KB7QWZ
8              AA8JG          KF8XY          N8WEJ          KB8OKK
9              AA9FG          KF9MI          N9RLL          KB9IFW
Hawaii           ++           AH6ME          WH6JQ          WH6CQA
Alaska           ++           AL7ON          WL7GN          WL7CGF
Puerto Rico      ++           KP4UL           ++            WP4LOF

++All call signs in this group have been issued in this area.
NNNN
From: wright@morekypr.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Tandy Programs Needed "HELP!!"
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:04:40 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Merry Christmas Brother and Sister Hams:

Here I am again with another request for help.

NO FLAMES FOR THIS PLEASE, THE SYSTEM WAS FREE

I have a Tandy 1000 EX <Yep an old 264K Slower than 7 year Itch computer>

and I have been looking for an FTP node or someplace to get Ham related

programs as well as MSDOS Systems Software  <My 2.11.44 got ZAPPED the other

night>  and can anybody tell me if "SUPER MORSE 3.16 " will run on my

machine <GOD I HOPE SO!!!!> My kids are driving me nuts because I don't

have a Morse Program that will run on the Tandy 1000 EX.

Please NO FLAMES about the Tandy computer  at least I didn't have to pay

anything for it.

8-)  I LOVE AMATEUR RADIO.....
     I LOVE MY WIFE...........
     Which comes first ?
     I value to much MY LIFE.
     So It has to be
     MY WIFE.

'73's'

Tim Wright  KD4OVM
BITNET:  WRIGHT@morekypr.BITNET
From: a-kevinp@microsoft.COM (Kevin Purcell, Rho)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE: writing out -- --- .-. ... . in order to pass your exam
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:40:41 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Andy Beals  <netmail!asb@napa.Telebit.COM> says:

The ARRL VEC's manual explicitly disallows this.  Were you around
when this went down last time?  I looked it up in their manual and
sho' 'nuff, there it was.

I say:

Thats only the ARRL VEC, there are other VECs and it sometimes depends 
on the examiners

N,o I wasn't around for he last discussion.

I don't see why it should be allowed -- if I couldn't copy slow morse 
from a station underneath me I'd write it down and translate.

Would any non-ARRL VECs care to comment? What about W5YI and the rest?

If this has been beaten to death before please mail me a summary!

73 de Kevin Purcell N7WIM/G8UDP (Seattle, WA)          a-kevinp@microsoft.com
Do your interests match mine? If so call me. I'd like to hear from you.
QRP, Packet, TCP/IP, Digital voice, Macintosh, Spread Spectrum, Homebrew,
Satellites, Antenna design, Propagation, VHF/UHF weak signal, Microwave, QEX

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: pschleck@cwis.unomaha.edu (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
Subject: Re: HAM CONNECTION-RE_THOUGHT DECISION NOT TO SHUT DOWN
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:01:43 GMT

phantom@pro-haven.cts.com (Tiffany Keller) writes:

>In <pschleck.724272973@cwis>
>pschleck@cwis.unomaha.edu (Paul W Schleck KD3FU) writes:

>        
>        I can't say as I blame him, Paul.....I feel the same way about you
>that *he* does.  You abuse your authority on a regular basis.  Running a bbs
                      ^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^

How can I abuse authority I do not have?  This is a voluntary,
collaborative, peer-to-peer forum last time I checked.  I'm not asking
that everyone agree with me, but I am pleased that many do..

>is a selfless (and usually non-profit) act and the person that runs one
>should be respected, not pestered.....

Dispute over "pestering" aside, no one is so perfect that they can't
stand a bit of constructive criticism (myself included).  Whether it's
not making the best use of the cross-posting features of Usenet, or
advocating illegal trespass and vandalism of allegedly "contraband" CB
radio equipment, we can all stand a bit of self-reflection and analysis.

>        T. Keller

73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU

pschleck@unomaha.edu

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: hart@madhatter (James A. Hart)
Subject: Re: Why no CHeap TNC's? (Was: Help Jeff (was Overpriced TNC's))
Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 00:55:12 GMT

megabyte@chinet.chi.il.us (Dr. Megabyte) writes:
: 
<deleted>
: 
: The bottom line, I think a simple 1200 baud TNC _could_ be made for about
: $75.00 retail.  Question is: Would hams pay $75.00 for a simple TNC when
: for $120.00 they can have a "delux" TNC with flashing led's, a simple
: PBBS, a mailbox, and RAM?
<deleted>
--
YES!  Especially those of us interested in listening to packet, rtty, amtor,
wefax, etc. and whatever,  but not especially desireous of transmitting
(yet!).

Name:        Jim Hart    N6JSS
InterNet:    hart@donald.etdesg.TRW.COM 
                         I'd rather be LANDSAILING!
From: kfeeney@KLONDIKE.CIT.CORNELL.EDU (Kevin Feeney)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kenwood Packet question TM2530.
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:26:17 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Hi, 
I've recently given a fellow ham a hand in connecting a software TNC modem to
his base 2 meter rig a Kenwood Tm2530. We know the TNC stuff works ok because
we ran it on an HT first, and it does make contacts without trouble. The problem
is that when the radio is keyed, the packet burst is sent, PTT is turned back 
off BUT the radio stays keyed for about another half second. Which does unlovely
things to the throughput on the channel. If I key the radio with the hand mic, 
as soon as I'm off the switch the radio is in receive. But if the TNC keys it, 
it hangs that extra time. At first I thought it was because we had continous
audio to the mic connection - I used to have a 2550 and recall something about
a delay time built in for DTMF keypad use. So I installed a relay that gives
a hard contact closure for the PTT line (so I eliminated transistor leakage in
the PTT driver as a potential problem) and also interrupts the audio to the mic
connector when not transmitting. I can hear the relay click, but the silly radio
still stays keyed about 1/2 second after it's lost PTT and transmit audio. 
Can anybody shed light on this behavior, and tell me how to turn it off? 

Thanks
Kevin - WB2EMS
From: brian@amd.com (Brian McMinn)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: DX Etiquette (an oxymoron)
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:33:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., Austin, TX.
Originator: brian@minotaur

(goh kawai - n6uok) writes:
> On the topic of etiquette among DX-ers and rare DX station ops, I have heard
> and observed the following:
> 
>   * Work the offending station, but note in your log that he should not be 
>     sent a QSL card.  If using a QSL manager, do not enter QSO in log.

Better yet, send him an "acknowledgement of obnoxious behavior" card
that says you heard him trying to break in on a friendly QSO but that
no contact was made.  ;-)

(Note the smiley!  This might be a counterproductive strategy!)

    Brian McMinn -- no email due to recent calamity
    brian@amd.com is a legit address and will eventually get to me (I hope)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jahern@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu (Jud Ahern)
Subject: Re: Clever Phonetics Needed--WK3C
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:22:30 GMT
Reply-To: jahern@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu
Organization: School of Geology and Geophysics, University of Oklahoma


In article <+$i1H$ftcb@atlantis.psu.edu> holman@pop.psu.edu (Darryl J. Holman) writes:
>In article <6097@naucse.cse.nau.edu> rrw@sunset.cse.nau.edu (Bob Wier) writes:
>>
>>Now, if you want something REALLY difficult, try
>>my call WB5KXH -
>> 
>>The only thing I ever came up with is 
>>
>>   WB5 Kindly eX Ham  - which doesn't make much
>> sense!
>
>WB5 Kinky eX Ham   or WB5 Kinky eX Hermit
>
>darryl, WB9TCY
>
 
How about "Kinesthiologists X-ray Hamstrings", or some variation of
[type of doctor which starts with K] X-rays [part of anatomy which
starts with H].

While on this subject, proper phonetics should be used for IDing
(if conditions warrant phonetics at all, of course), 
and for really making your call letters clear, as has been flamed
on here before, but _mnemonic_ phonetics are NOT ILLEGAL as such,
and are very useful for those of us whose grey matter is not what
it used to be. I honestly wouldn't even remember one of my old
calls without them (I was WA8VEM - very elderly man; my mom was
VEL - very elderly lady, of course!). 

For my current call I sometimes use Kansas City 5 Rhode Island.
Once again, only as a mnemonic aid, usually over coffee and not
on the air. Yes, I know it would be confusing to some poor soul
who always thought Kansas City was in the midwest...  :^)

I'd welcome suggestions for phonetics for my call. 

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