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From: crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Books/Authors (was: Madeleine L'Engle question)
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:19:52 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In <STUCKI.92Jul29125732@retina.cis.ohio-state.edu> stucki@retina.cis.ohio-state.edu (David J Stucki) writes:

>In article <1992Jul29.131711.2115@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:

>   In article <1992Jul29.014713.9884@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> hill@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Hill) writes:

>   Does anyone else here know and like these folks?  Or have any
>   similar recommendations for Christian fiction and/or poetry?
>   Don't tell me about Lewis, Tolkien, Williams, Peretti, Lawhead, et 
>   al.  That's okay, but I'm looking for something besides tracts
>   disguised as fantasy novels (no, that doesn't really apply to
>   C.S., J.R.R., and Charles, but Peretti and Lawhead bore me to
>   tears).  Just to help you out some, the contemporary writers that
>   I esteem most highly are Dillard, O'Connor, John Updike, Gabriel
>   Garcia Marquez, Milan Kundera, Thomas Pynchon, and Graham Green.  
>   Anybody willing to recommend something else along those lines?

>I really like (both fiction and non-fiction, like L'Engle) Frederick
>Buechner. I would start with The Book of Bebb (fiction) or Peculiar
>Treasures (devotional). You could also try Walker Percy, Chaim Potok,
>and Stephen R. Donaldson. Potok is Jewish but his novels have
>conservative religious overtones that made me think of him in this
>category. 

I've been really impressed with Donna Fletcher Crow.  She just recently
wrote _Glastonbury_, a 6 part novel about the history of Christianity
in England from the first century to the reformation.  She also wrote
a collection of 4 books about the founding of the evangelical movement
in England:  _The Cambridge Collection_, along with some childrens books
and inspirations romances.  One book I especially enjoyed was one that
she never published, but read to me at night when putting me to bed in
fourth grade.  Yes, Donna is my mother.  And she truely is a great author,
too.

--PC

[So why is this thread in r.m.c?]
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Mike Warnke Controversy in Cornerstone magasine
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:34:25 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <22JUL92.08483739.0013@lafibm.lafayette.edu> HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey)) writes:
>I can't vouch for the rumours about multiple wives, though I've never
heard it before.  However, as far as the "accusations" about Warnke
being involved with the Satanic church...heck yes.  He was a high
priest in the church.  I don't think that's an "accusation" when you
consider the fact that that is the whole sum of his testimony, that
God can work through even the most committed sinner.

Go back and reread the post you followed up on (or better yet the C-Stone
article :-).  I think the point was that the time involved made it impossible
for Mike to have left school or whatever and ascended to a high position in
the Satanic church, that indeed his testimony is BASED on a falsehood.

NOTE:  I've not read the C-Stone article and i'm not agreeing or disagreeing
with what it says, only pointing out a booboo in the above follow up,

no flames intended :-)

JRjr

-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
From: rhm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Miller)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:54:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Michael W. Smith
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian

In rec.music.christian, cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne) writes:

> I guess that what "bugged" me most about "Go West..." is that it
> seemed to be targeted at a younger audience than myself.  The bits of
> "almost rap" in the "Love Crusade" were certainly a concession to what
> teenagers seem to like to listen to on the radio.  I don't enjoy
> listening to rap/rap-like music, and dislike the tendancy of other
> musical genres to copy it.  (And it's now been 6 years since I was a
> "teenager".)

Its been *20* years since I was one. 

I liked the album. For these reasons:

1) Well-written, well-produced, good album, irrespective of "audience"

2) His teen-oriented message makes me look back and say "yeah, that's the 
   way it was (and still is if I dig deep enough)". There's nothing like
   nostalgia...;-). First time I heard "Place In This World", I knew it was 
   a hit with with more appeal than to the "teen" set. Because its *true*.

<but then I still dunno what I want to be when I grow up...>

Bob (the guy's almost as old as I am...)Miller rhm@hpfirhm.fc.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: Weird Al (was: Christian Ripoffs)
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 13:16:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.230935.741@pictel.com> harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling) writes:
>BTW, I am pretty sure that he gets permission before doing a parody of
>someone's song, as part of the parody involves mimicking the original
>as closely as possible in one way or another.  I saw an interview with
>him in which he said that most artists are very cooperative, but that
>one artist in particular (it was Prince, but he did not mention any
>names himself) had consistently refused his consent.

Go a step further. The artists he parrodies have full review and approval of
the final product. 

Topher
-- 
 Christopher A. White                    |"What's behind the words?
 caw@gtech.com                           | Images they know will please us.
 GTech Corporation, West Greenwich, RI   | I'll take what's real, bring up
 The opions expressed are mine alone     |   the lights." -- Queensryche
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Suggestions for church library
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:13:34 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

My church librarian is a bit out of touch with the CCM market, but wants
to maintain our collection.  If I was to give her a list of 20 "must haves,"
what should I include.  I don't want a top-40 list.  I'm more looking for
tapes that will still be listened to in 5 years, whether they are 5 years or
5 days old.

--PC

--
Looking for exciting/unusual/dynamic .sig quotes...
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: David.Eaton@um.cc.umich.edu
Subject: Thoughts on Warnke
Organization: University Of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 06:36:07 GMT

It's interesting to me the many discussions that have been had over Amy's
crossing over.
I've been thinking a lot about this since I read the Warnke article in CStone.
Warnke certainly mentioned Jesus enough, and was by all means in our eyes, 
a 'good christian'.
Amy tends not to mention Jesus explicitly, but writes pop songs from a 
Christian world view.
Yet we spend hours debating it that's okay.
We didn't know Mike Warnke's heart, and we don't know Amy's.
 
I've really been convicted that sometimes we need to drop the arguments and
invest our time in more worthwhile things.
What would happen if we spent the time we would spend arguing over whether 
artist so-and-so is Christian enough on our knees in prayer?
What would happen if instead of theorizing over the motives of Christians with
mainstream distribution, we lifted them up to the Lord and asked Him to give
them wisdom and discernment so that in all things and at all times they may
be able to hear Him more clearly?
What would happen if we became as serious about our prayer life as we do about
our musical life?
 
I'm just as bad about this as anyone, and like I've said, I've been feeling
very convicted over these things.
If the allegations about the record company, and the booking agents, activities
are true, this brings up some disturbing thoughts about our christian music
industry.
Sometimes, we need to sacrifice the 'ministry'.  God is of supreme importantce, 
and I feel that He would want us to keep our hearts pure, even if it means that
someone else does the 'ministry
' for awhile.
 
Finally, this has again raised the issue of accountability and how we view
those who make the music we listen to.
Check out 'I'm just like you' (approx. title) off of Jacob's Trouble's
'Let the Truth run wild' CD for a good view of this.
WE are responsible for those who lead us (The minor prophets speak alot about
this).
 
My (really) final thought is that God is able to work in all situations.
I can't judge if Mike Warnke is a Christian.
I can't judge the motives of his ministry.
I can pray ernestly for him, and that this situation won't be repeated.
I can rejoice that the gospel was preached, and lives were changed.
The power of God is greater than the failings of His servants.
As the Word says, God's word will not return to Him void, but will fulfil the
purpose that He has set out for it.
 
Dave Eaton
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: bdonison@grover.UVic.CA (Only AMIGA!)
Subject: Re: *Burning*Albums* (Anti-Secularism)
Keywords: Amy Grant - Antichrist or not?
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 19:01:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.185111.5832@sol.UVic.CA> bdonison@grover.UVic.CA (Only AMIGA!) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.140447.13364@rice.edu> mueller@owlnet.rice.edu (Ernest Conrad Mueller) writes:
>>I don't mean to nitpick, but...
>>
>>>If you will note, it was GOD who made the loincloths for them to cover
>>>their nakedness. 
>>
>>Genesis 3:7 "Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they
>>             were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings
>>             for themselves." (NIV) 
>>
>>Anyone can say something which is Biblically Incorrect.
>>Does this mean that Noel does not have a high view of Scriptural authority?
>>
>>If not, do not condemn another on similar grounds.
>>
>>Ernest Mueller
>
>I think that Noel was referring to Genesis 3:21, am I right Noel?
>
>Genesis 3:21
>The LORD God made garments of skin Adam and his wife and clothed them.
oops -->                           ^ for

>NIV
>
>Brad...
>
From: kim@techbook.com (Kim Larsen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: L'Abri and Schaeffer (was Mark Heard)
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:01:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Jul27.020112.3683
Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 644-8135

In article <1992Jul26.025659.11449@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>  L'Abri  is a french word for shelter. L'Abri was a study center /
>  cluster of buildings / group of people in a village in Switzerland
>  where Schaeffer and his family lived for a number of years (1955 -
>  some time in 1983). It was a shelter in that people could come there
>  and talk about God, whether Christian, agnostic, athiest, or some
>  other religion. I believe the "work," if that's what you can
>  call it now, is headed by Ranald Macaulay, his son in law. There is
>  a "branch" in Minnesota, I believe. Anyone wishing further information
>  on Schaeffer or L'Abri is free to contact me.

Was/is not Madeleine L'Engle also involved with L'Abri?  (Besides the
similarities in name, I mean :-)

-- 
kim@techbook.COM    Not affiliated with TECHbooks
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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Madeleine L'Engle question
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:00:34 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Jul29.131711.2115@cbnews.cb.att.com> ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman) writes:
>
>tears).  Just to help you out some, the contemporary writers that
>I esteem most highly are Dillard, O'Connor, John Updike, Gabriel
>Garcia Marquez, Milan Kundera, Thomas Pynchon, and Graham Green.  
>Anybody willing to recommend something else along those lines?
>


Well, I'm working on a novel.  8-)

I completely agree on Annie Dillard.  I don't think there's a better
writer out there today.  Gabriel Garcia Marquez is also amazing.
In a similar vein, try Salman Rushdie's "Midnight's Children" about
Indian independence (loosely); he writes in a similar style to
Marquez.

As for Christian-influenced fiction ... good question.  I'd like to
see more of it, just as I'd like to see more Christian-influenced
but NOT ghettoized music.  One of the sadder things happening right
now, IMO, is the compartmentalization of Christian art; nobody else
gets to hear/see/read most of it.  One of the more exciting things
is the occasional breakthrough out of the ghetto.



-- 
===============================================================================
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind, or not to have a mind is being very
wasteful.  How true that is."--J. Danforth Quayle to United Negro College Fund 
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: kevin@CEB.McMaster.CA (Kevin Thorpe)
Subject: Re: The Warnke Debate
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:04:48 GMT

In article <63nm68@lynx.unm.edu> morgan7@carina.unm.edu (christopher c lewisair) writes:
[Stuff Deleted]
>About a year ago, I had a friend who was a witch. Although I don't agree
>with anything he had to say about theology or his supposed "powers",
>I do think that they are harmless. They are very concerned with
>hurting other people and completly oppose any kind of offering to their
>gods that is the result of pain or force. They also are pretty open to
>allowing anyone , even born-again Christians, to watch their meetings
>to verify this.

I don't 100% agree with this.  It may be true that most people claiming
to be witches have no supernatural ability, however, there are those that
do.  Read "Occult ABC" by Kurt Koch.  This book was written by a Christian
counseller specializing in helping people who have been involved in the
occult.  It was a very illuminating book.

>Yours in Christ,
>
>Christopher Lewis
>

I have to go along with what C.S. Lewis points out in "The Screwtape Letters."
He basically says that humans generally fall into one of two groups regarding
the supernatural, demons, etc.  Either, almost complete disbelief, or an
unhealthy consuming interest.  As Christians, it is our responsibility
to know our enemy and his tactics.  The Bible gives some of it.  We
must all pray for discernment and wisdom.  With Christ, we need not fear our
enemy, but, we should not ever underestimate him either.  However, only
confront the devil in the power of Christ by his direction.  Remember, God
wants us to be aware, but not obsessed.

Kevin Thorpe
From: sims@possum.den.mmc.com (John Sims)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Quotes (was: Is there anybody...)
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:07:44 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group, Denver

Interesting article,
I cringed when I heard Clinton invoking the Bible for the sake of an
acceptance speech.  The continuing references to the New Covenant leaves
me very uneasy.  Extremely good point about the covenant being largely
dependent on the character of the parties involved.  Perhaps Clinton
thinks the government is to be a sort of god to us?  Time will tell, I
guess.
John
-- 
John Sims    sims@pogo.den.mmc.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jazz@jazz.b11.ingr.com (Jeff Roberts)
Subject: 77's releases?
Reply-To: jazz@jazz.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:16:58 GMT

Anyone heard anything about the new 77's and the rumored CD re-releases?
==============================================================================
J. Jeff Roberts              jazz@jazz.b11.ingr.com             (205) 730-6155
	For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the 
	power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth...    Rom 1:16
==============================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Re: Johnny Cash
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:10:15 GMT

In article <SCHOUTEN.92Jul24213824@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu> schouten@sp17.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten) writes:
>So, like is he a christian or something?
>
>Dale schouten@uiuc.edu

So i've been told. Not favoring "old" country music, i've never checked it
out. 

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jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  political analysis done while you wait

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester)
Subject: CD's for sale...
Organization: Amgen
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 23:22:25 GMT

Hello everyone.

I have some "new" (never opened) and used CD's for sale.  If you're interested,
email your request to me at chriss@sam.amgen.com.  Prices are $9 for "new", and
$5 for used, including shipping within the U.S.  Here's the list:

NEW CD's
------
California Metal II	   		Various
Brian Duncan				         Anonymous Confessions...(2)
Force 3					             Warrior of Light
Amy Grant				            Heart in Motion (3)
Amy Grant				            Lead Me On (2)
Amy Grant				            Collection (3)
Phil Keaggy				          Master & the Musician
Phil Keaggy				          Sunday's Child
Light Force				          Mystical Thieves
Sandi Patti				          Another Time, Another Place (2)
Michael W. Smith			      Go West Young Man (3)
Russ Taff				            Under Their Influence
Russ Taff				            The Way Home
Take 6					              So Much 2 Say (2)
Take 6					              Take Six
Gerold Wolfe				         Hold Forth the Light
On the Frontline	 	     	17 songs by Frontline Artists...(2)


USED CD's
-------
The Axemen           				Various Metal
California Metal II		   	Various Metal
Cruse					               Praise
Larnelle Harris          The Father Hath Provided
Larnelle Harris          From a Servant's Heart
Larenlle Harris          I've just seen Jesus
Torn Flesh				           Crux of the Mosh


Request Priorty is first come, first serve.

Thanks!

Chris S.
From: titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Titanium Knight)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Phil Collins- talking to Jesus
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:28:36 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

psurge@cs.utexas.edu (Troy Carpenter) writes:

> You're kidding about Benny Hinn, right?  I have watched him on the Totally
> Bizzare Network (TBN) and have ended up laughing at what he is doing and what
> he is saying.  Unless you are watching him for some entertainment value, I
> would recommend listening to what he is saying and watching what he does and 
> not filter it through your Christian precepts.
 
No, I'm not kidding.  He is wild, but that's the way he is.  I listen to 
what he says and I find nothing wrong with him.  Maybe you should pick up 
his book "Good Morning Holy Spirit", it tells you about his life and how 
he got to know Jesus.  Very good book.  I take it you don't believe in 
the gifts of the Holy Spirit?  People ARE getting healed and I don't 
think he's a fake.
 
By the way, I found out why Phil Collins (Genesis) made the video "Jesus 
He Knows Me"  He was in the U.S.A. watching televsion and turned to this
religious preacher.  He thought it was comedy so he was laughing.  He
found out it was real, so he made a video about it (mocking).  I don't like
it, but I agree some of it is really strange.  Benny Hinn is different
though.  I encourage you to look at his book.  
 
We had TBN (Totally Bizarre Network!) over here in Canada for awhile,
but the CRTC took down all the broadcast transmitters.  Why?  Because 
it's against the law to have all Christian TV in Canada.  I didn't like 
everything on TBN but I still think the goverment shouldn't take it away. 
No freedom.
 
Titan

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;E-mail: titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
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From: nab4574@summa.tamu.edu (Neil Alan Burleson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Warnke Reaction
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:09:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Just finished reading the Warnke article. Man. I'm totally astounded.

The thing that gets me is that people have known about this for years
and its never come out?! I'm scared to think that with the plethora
of other Christian groups out there, that this could be going on
alot. 

I'm not so naive to think that it doesn't happen some of the time, but
how often is it happening? Scary.

+------------------------+------------------------+-------------------+
| Neil Burleson   Texas A&M Univerity,  College Station, Texas  USA   |
+------------------------|     neilb@tamu.edu     |  nab4574@tamzeus  |
                         +------------------------+-------------------+
"Taste and see that the LORD is good;
       blessed is the man who takes refuge in Him."  -- Psalm 34:8
From: heckert@brahms.udel.edu (Keith Heckert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Michael W. Smith
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:30:04 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

>>seemed to be targeted at a younger audience than myself.  The bits of
>>"almost rap" in the "Love Crusade" were certainly a concession to what
>>teenagers seem to like to listen to on the radio.  I don't enjoy
>>listening to rap/rap-like music, and dislike the tendancy of other
>>musical genres to copy it.  (And it's now been 6 years since I was a
>>"teenager".)


True....much of Go West was written for teens and children.  This is a
continuation of his interest in childrens' music/theater/productions.
so.....his audience was meant to be teens/children for this album.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: JHIATT@130.187.170.178 (JOHN HIATT)
Subject:  * Rage Of Angels *
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:09:45 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

  Whatever happened to this group?  From what I hear, they broke up after only
one album.  I really dig their song "Do you still believe in love?".

Thanks.

John R. Hiatt   JHIATT@GEMINI.SIM.ES.COM
From: HJ46@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Baboo (Holton, Jeffrey))
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Randy Stonehill Question
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:38:33 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University
Originator: news@lafcol

In article <1992Jul20.033227.26918@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jblackwo@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (J P Blackwood) writes:
>In article <1992Jul18.194017.24652@athena.mit.edu> hbt@athena.mit.edu (Helen B
>Tatistcheff) writes:
>>Hi there to everyone in rmc-land:
>>
>>Which of Randy Stonehill's albums contains the song Shut De Do?
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>
>Was it Equator or something like that.
>
>
>BTW what a fun song!
>
>Light the candle, every thing's allright..
>
>--J.P.
>.
>.

There's a great live version on Until We Have Wings.

--Jeffrey