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From: hstarke@europa.asd.contel.com (Hal Starke)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: toshiba 2200 and montery: how good? (compared to sierra 11)
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:35:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: europa.1992Aug19.173502.26006
Reply-To: hstarke@europa.asd.contel.com (Hal Starke)
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division

1. does the toshiba (or monterrey) run hot?
NO

2. can i set up favorite channel recall? can i also set up favorite audio
subcarrier recall?
YES

3. how long will the unit retain its memory in the event of a power
outage or being unplugged (does it also have the right calendar (the
sierra 11 must always be set for the wrong year)?
AS LONG AS YOU NEED, YES 

4. how easy is it to program in new satellites (are they pre-formatted)?
EASY, YES

5. how easy is it to use the remote control? is the remote uhf and if so,
does it really work from any room in the house?
VERY EASY, YES

6. how good is the volume level (i have to run the sierra at 8/10to get
sufficient volume) and how good is the audion quality?
LOUD, GOOD AUDIO QUALITY

7. does the unit have two video/audio outputs as well as a s-video output
(my dealer thinks so) and can they be used simultaneously (in vcr's using
the s-video cuts off the video).
THE MONTEREY DOES, DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE TOSHIBA. THE TOSHIBA HAS SVHS OUT,
I THINK, THE MONTEREY WILL ALLOW BOTH USED AT SAME TIME.

8. can you  fine tune the video frequency (especially important for ku)? 
how do Ku channels on the unit correspond to transponder numbers (such as
are listed in Westsat guide)?
YES ON MONTEREY, TOSHIBA USE TO ONLY ALLOW THIS ON KU, BUT THEY MAY HAVE CHANGED.

9. can i set up a M-F record program as well as a daily and a weekly and
a one-time (the sierra  has a weekly but not a M-F).
MONTEREY, YES 

10. does it include videopal and is that important?
SHOULD INCLUDE VP.

11. does it have automatic fine tuning?
YES


VISIT YOUR DEALER, LOOK AT THE MONTEREY 50 IT DOESN'T HAVE PIP AND SURROUND SOUND 
BUT RETAINS ALL THE OTHER FEATURES. BOTH HAVE 2 YEAR WARRANTIES. GOOD CHOICES!
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From: david.hoisve@uuserv.cc.utah.edu
Subject: Mac TV Schedule
Organization: The University of Utah
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:01:18 GMT

Here is the schedule for the next few Mac TV shows.  This is a DAILY show, 
with demonstrations, tech tips, and discussions about Macintosh hardware and 
software.

It is on G6 transponder 22, monday through friday, 8:00 AM to 9 AM, ET.


8/21/92   Hard Drives, Mass Micro
          System 7: Labels, Don Crabb
          Excel 4.0, Microsoft
          Photoshop 2.01, Adobe

8/24/92   Learn to speak spanish on CD, Hyperglot
          System 7: Training Support, Don Crabb
          Illustrator 3.2, Adobe
          Nolo's Living Trust, Nolo Press

8/25/92   Network and Ethernet cards, Farallon
          System 7: Extensions and Preferences, Don Crabb
          Pagemaker 4.2, Aldus

8/26/92   IntelliDraw, Aldus
          Hayes Connect, Hayes
          Quickimage 24, MASS Micro
          

8/27/92   OrgChart Express, Kaetron Software
          System 7: Font/DA Mover, Don Crabb
          Berlitz: Think and Talk, HyperGlot
          ScanMaker 600ZS, Microtek Lab

8/28/92   Smartcom II Mac, Hayes
          Nisus, Nisus software
          Now Up-to-date, Now Software

8/31/92   Helix Express, Helix
          System 7: Compatability Checker
          TopDown 3.5, Kaetron
          Voice Navigator II v2.0, Articulate
          PowerCache, DayStar Digital
From: roberts@triton.unm.edu (Robert Smathers)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Observations -- and my opinions on CNN INTL on SBS-6
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:30:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque


Observations first:

I've noticed MOR MUSIC TV has started up (i.e. beyond the slate).  
I had the slate listed in my addendum file, and I guess we should
change that now.  It is ITC G6/10 with audio on 6.8 and barker
(expanation of service) on 6.20.  Now if we could get them in
stereo...

The media must be liberal!  8^)  There seems to be not as
many convention feeds from the Republican convention as there
was during the Democratic one.  Feeds can be found on T2, SBS-6,
G6, S4, GSTAR-1, GSTAR-2, S1 (ku), GSTAR-4, Telstar 303, and ASC-1.
There is a good "podium" feed on T3 that I enjoy watching.

Keep your eyes on the North American beams from the Anik satellites.
I've been told there are two continental beams on each Anik.  Tonight
I saw CBC feeds from Houston on the only continental beam I've
found so far (Anik E1/18.

Football SCPC locations that I've been able to confirm so far:
(keep in mind, these are SCPC locations from the satellite K2 
to the satellite C5 due to trees)  Eagles C5/3; Cowboys (English)
C5/3 and G6/3; Cowboys (Spanish) G6/3; Oilers G6/3; Browns G6/2;
Vikings G6/3; and Saints G6/4.  I am assuming the rest can be
found on G2/3.

My baseball backhaul talley so far (thru games of August 16 and on
satellites from K2 to C5 -- also due to trees):  ITC 90, Video
encrypted entirely 367, Video encrypted with audio 80, and scrambled
with other systems than the VC-1B 9.  I've tried to observe every
evening, but some evenings I haven't been around.

Now for my thoughts on CNN INTL on SBS-6.

This is a different feed than the one found on S3/16.  The one on S3/16
is more like "CNN" while this feed is more like "CNN Headline News".  
I like the format:  CNN HN for the first few minutes, then international
business, international weather, and international sports.  

I find it interesting in sports (my favorite subject of all of them)
that Cricket, auto racing, and soccer lead the sports segments, while
baseball, american football, basketball, and hockey are talked about
toward the end.  

As for commercials -- very interesting.  I saw a MCI commercial.  They
discussed a calling plan for calling the United States from other
parts of the world.  If you wanted more information, they gave a number
and stated to "call collect".  Very different from commercials in the
US -- but that makes for interesting comparisons of US commercials
to commercials intended for international locations.

Based on the fact that this feed is different from the S3 feed, I 
think this feed will remain ITC.  I certainly hope so as it is
neat to see how people in other countries get to see our CNN.
Of all the CNN services, this one is definitely the best programming
that I've seen.  It'd be a shame if this one scrambles up.

Enough rambling...

Robert
roberts@triton.unm.edu
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 12:31:27 EDT
From:         Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US>
Subject:      Re: Rush Limbaugh on Satellite anywhere?
X-To:         dish <HOMESAT@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

Russ Crisp asks, regarding Mr. Limbaugh:

>Does anyone know where his program can be found in the sky?  He's on the
>EIB (Excellence in Broadcasting) Network.  Any ideas would be greatly
>appreciated!

G3/03 is where you find our republican friend.  On SCPC.  He's up there.
SCPC is really simple to do in a number of different ways.  The first time I
ever heard Rush L. in my life was on my $29 tv band radio on the 70 mhz loop
of my UNIDEN 6000.


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   ([-o ~ Tune FRIDAY NIGHT LIVE!  S3/21 6.2. Fridays from 9-midnight ~ o-])
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From: eire@bluemoon.rn.com (Chris Clinton)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: No Pulse from Actuator Update --- Update
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:14:33 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])

Follow up to an earlier post about a "No Pulse' msg from my VWse actuator:
I checked the connections on the actuator itself and redid one that
looked iffy.  However the problem is still with me although it is 
intermittent. 

I called Drake and (very friendly) they told me that the 8 magnet Von
Weise returns a very dirty pulse.   I already have the
ROM upgrade for the problem associated with the eight magnets so any
further upgrade on that will not help.  My feeling now is that the
reed switch on the actuator is wearing out.  Looking at the Skyvision
catalogue I can get a new one for about $15.  But I'm also thinking
should I get a new magnet wheel..the earlier version ie. less that eight
magnets and see if it works better.  Will I lose some ability to
position my dish accurately?

To further complicate things let me throw this in: In the last few days
I've noticed that the IRD clock has started to run slow (about 4sec/hr).
The Drake rep said that the clock is based on the mains freq except
when the unit is unplugged.  This has led me to wonder if the no
pulse problem and the slow clock problem are related.  A power supply
gone somewhat bad?
This is fun!

Rgds     .......Chris
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Date:         Sat, 15 Aug 1992 12:14:38 EDT
From:         Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US>
Subject:      Re: dISH sIZE.
X-To:         HOMESAT@VM1.NoDak.EDU

Kevin asks


>What is the smallest size dish that I could use to receive decent pictures
>on a C-band dish?  I am located in Kentucky with no trees around.

This depends on what you want to watch.  While I am one of those "Bigger is
Better" types currently saving for a 4 meter dish (over 13 feet) I would say
that MOST people these days have much smaller dishes than in the "old days".

7.5 footers will pick up just about everything the vast majority of folks
watch.

A 6 footer will provide acceptable pictures, and if you are mostly interested
in stuff of the new generation birds, sparklie free pictures have been
reported off G5 with a 4 foot dish.

But I can just not imagine why someone would want a small dish.  We get asked
that question all the time, HOW SMALL A DISH CAN I USE....  I honestly do not
get it.

As for me, I chase after the wild wacky and unusual.  Most of these signals
are on weaker less popular satellites.  Some of the luckier folks with a
clean shot to the East enjoy watching Intellsats, Panamsat and Statsionar
birds, and you need a big dish for that.

So I guess it depends on YOU.  WHAT are you interested in watching.  HBO or
TV CROATIA.  That will help you decide on what size dish is acceptable.

As for wives and neighbors, Ve haff Vays of convincing them.

And Neighborhood Associations and their silly restrictions, they can be dealt
with as well.

Get a BIG one.

You never hear anyone say something like:

> Can anyone tell me the smallest (car, house, diamond ring, bank account,
> slice of cheesecake) I can get away with.

(Bigger is Better)
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   ([-o ~ Tune FRIDAY NIGHT LIVE!  S3/21 6.2. Fridays from 9-midnight ~ o-])
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From: Richard J. Gaylord <gaylord@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: toshiba 2200 and montery: how good? (compared to sierra 11)
X-Xxdate: Wed, 19 Aug 92 08:37:51 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Organization: University of Illinois
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:37:11 GMT

i have a few year old sierra II+ and my dealer has offered to trade it in
for a toshiba 2200 for $1000 [or a chapparal monterey 90 for $2000]
upgrade.

i like my sierra11+ fine except for the temperature it runs at which
makes it impossible for me to put on the doors of the video cabinet. but
it may be a good time to  upgrade to an ird.

he says that it is the top-of-the-toshiba line and has better video than
the chapparal.

i have some questions to ask the group about the toshiba [and by
comparision] the monterey 90 

note: i don't need  pip or surround sound as i already have these on my
tv and a separate audio system.

1. does the toshiba (or monterrey) run hot?

2. can i set up favorite channel recall? can i also set up favorite audio
subcarrier recall?

3. how long will the unit retain its memory in the event of a power
outage or being unplugged (does it also have the right calendar (the
sierra 11 must always be set for the wrong year)? 

4. how easy is it to program in new satellites (are they pre-formatted)?

5. how easy is it to use the remote control? is the remote uhf and if so,
does it really work from any room in the house?

6. how good is the volume level (i have to run the sierra at 8/10to get
sufficient volume) and how good is the audion quality?

7. does the unit have two video/audio outputs as well as a s-video output
(my dealer thinks so) and can they be used simultaneously (in vcr's using
the s-video cuts off the video).

8. can you  fine tune the video frequency (especially important for ku)? 
how do Ku channels on the unit correspond to transponder numbers (such as
are listed in Westsat guide)?

9. can i set up a M-F record program as well as a daily and a weekly and
a one-time (the sierra  has a weekly but not a M-F).

10. does it include videopal and is that important?

11. does it have automatic fine tuning?



is there anything else i should be asking or should know?

Should i keep the 11+ or buy the toshiba 2200 for $1000 or maybe even go
for the monterey for $2000.

tnaks alot for any info. you have.
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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:29:12 EDT
From:         Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US>
Subject:      Re: Total novice questions: Need FAQ
X-To:         HOMESAT@VM1.NoDak.EDU

>1.  Is there a FAQ for this list?

Yes.  It is posted the beginning of EVERY month.  It is available from a
number of sources also.  Send mail to

satfiles@ijpc.UUCP.

If that bounces, write to me directly.

>	a.  Is there something equivalent to TV guide which
>	has schedules for these channels?

Yes.  There are several, two of which are quite popular:

SATELLITE TV WEEK  (weekly)
and
ORBIT  (Monthly)

There is also ONSAT.  In the case of ONSAT and ORBIT, I can get them at the
local grocery store, so I would think any decent magazine store should have
them.

>	b.  What exactly is Video Cipher?  Often, I get blank
>	screens with (VC Stereo) messages.  According to
>	the scant information on this system, there are supposed
>	to messages, passwords, text, etc.  I couldn't find
>	any of that.  I assume that I need to buy an updated
>	something to make this work, no?

You need to subscribe to the service.  Videocypher is the scrambling system
in use.  In particular it is a must that you have what is called a VCII+
decoder to receive the signals.  The older descramblers will soon all stop
working when this changeover is complete, which will be in a couple of months
from now.


>	c.  At least in the Dayton area, it is possible to obtain
>	a usenet feed over satellite.  How does this work?

Not yet, but there are people working on it.  However it will be very
expensive.  You can not use your present satellite system, you must buy a new
special system, which can be used ONLY for this feed.  That costs $1,800 and
after one year you have to pay $120 a year to keep it going.  I am working on
a couple of ideas to provide the service free.  We will begin shortly with a
primative service at a low baud rate just to get started and try and brew up
some interest.

>	d.  I only seem to have a C-band cone.  Is there anything
>	worthwhile on the Ku-bands.

Depends on you.  The stuff on C-band is entertainment stuff, while the
primary stuff on KU is more specialized.  Educational programs, ethnic
programs, news and sports feeds, and unusual stuff.  Very interesting if you
are not a couch potato.  It depends on you.

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   ([-o ~ Tune FRIDAY NIGHT LIVE!  S3/21 6.2. Fridays from 9-midnight ~ o-])
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From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes)
Subject: Re: Rush Limbaugh on Satellite anywhere?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 04:42:27 GMT


(this doesnt concern satellite either)

I find the people who call Rush names are simply unable to debate 
the issues.
About the only people I know who dont like Rush are either Social
ists from the extream left,or tree loving pot heads who are past
being called leftist.

Rush is obviously represenative of most people or he wouldnt be
so popular.

I must say,he makes my stomach turn when he pushes George Bush
so hard when everyone knows he is a known Luciferian and one-worl
d government bastard.

Sorry,but I couldnt let that smearing of Rush's character go by 
since him and I are alot alike.

Lets not get personal,okay,lets stick to the issues.
-- 
Aaron Barnes
aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu
Part 15 will take over broadcasting one frequency at a time!
Howard Phillips for President!
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: dish size
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:45:10 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <9208151214.AA11918@lopez.marquette.MI.US>, flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US (Gary Bourgois) writes:

> But I can just not imagine why someone would want a small dish.  We get asked
> that question all the time, HOW SMALL A DISH CAN I USE....  I honestly do not
> get it.

Having a yard filled with trees, here and there, I can easily understand why
someone would want a "small" dish.  Maybe they want to drag it around the
yard to get a clear shot at those birds!

I understand that on C-BAND you can "see" birds through the trees, however.
So maybe this isn't as much of a problem as it is on Ku.  But I've been
wondering the same thing.  "Gee, how small of a dish could I get away with?"

If I could try out a small dish and see what I can "see", I might be tempted
to put in a system in a fixed location with a "big" dish.

That's the thing I like about my small Ku dish.  If it doesn't work in my
yard, I sneak it into my neighbors yard at night!  Of course, you have to
remove it before dawn! ;-)

Terry
From: adammot@ltrnativ.UUCP (Adam Mottershead)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Chapparal V/H Switch
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:16:23 EDT
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Organization: The All Ter Nah Tive Un Der Groend

I had a friend give me a Chapparal H/V Dual LNB Switch that he had around.

It has dual 950-1450 Mhz inputs, with one single output.  On the bottom
are two screw terminals labelled input voltage and ground.

Anybody know what these normally cost?

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From: phil@phunt.MV.COM (Phil Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: TVRO Two-Line Orbital Element Sets
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:03:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: phunt.D2150040.bd2cnm
Reply-To: phil@phunt.MV.COM
Organization: Howtek, Inc.
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In article <1992Aug15.030836.22362@afit.af.mil> (rec.video.satellite), tkelso@afit.af.mil (TS Kelso) writes:
] The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are
] carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when
] possible).  Documentation and tracking software are also available on this
] system.  The Celestial BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400,
] 4800, or 9600 bps using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.
] 
] Element sets (also updated daily) and some documentation and software are also
] available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil (129.92.1.66) in the
] directory pub/space.
] 
] As a service to the TVRO satellite user community, the most current of
] these elements are uploaded weekly to rec.video.satellite.  This week's
] elements are provided below.
] 
] COMSTAR 2             
] 1 09047U 76073  A 92224.49025953 -.00000222  00000-0  99999-4 0  3900
] 2 09047   7.6018  60.2858 0000819  22.0524 338.1786  1.00270297 59903
] COMSTAR 4             
] 1 12309U 81018  A 92226.49472236 -.00000221  00000-0  99999-4 0  4272
] 2 12309   6.0755  63.9989 0000477  63.5874 296.5912  1.00266406 43506

]....lots deleted to save bandwidth....

] GALAXY 5              
] 1 21906U 92 13  A 92222.46348236  .00000060  00000-0  99999-4 0  1106
] 2 21906   0.0464 226.2621 0000980 262.1539 231.5815  1.00274362  6141
] -- 
] Dr TS Kelso                           Assistant Professor of Space Operations
] tkelso@afit.af.mil                    Air Force Institute of Technology
] 

Does anyone have a MAC program to use this data?  I've looked on thne board
and at some pgms on AOL, but haven't found ANY that use it....

Phil

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From: jpost@llnl.gov (John C. Post)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: SPICE Questions...
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:51:35 GMT
Reply-To: jpost@llnl.gov (John C. Post)
Organization: Just Me...

I haven't watched SPICE at all, but am wondering how much the movies have 
been edited from the original release version. Playboy really goes out of 
their way to remove any hint of explicitness, and I was curious as to how 
comparable SPICE was...

john

John Post
"When it comes to opinion, I have to use my own..."
jpost@llnl.gov
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:42:53 PDT
From:         "Vijay Vaidyanathan" <zycad!yoda!vijay@SUN.COM>
Subject:      Need Help
X-To:         HOMESAT@VM1.NoDak.EDU
              20 Aug 1992 12:15:25 PDT <9208202029.AA14388@Sun.COM>

> I am thinking about upgrading my system to an IRD and selling my
> VC 2100 stand alone descrambler. My question is what would be a good
> price to sell it for without the II+ module?  Your help would be
> greatly appreciated.
If you are referring to the "Shell" for the stand-alone decoder
(2100E??), I have seen them sell for between $50 and $75. I am
sure there would be folks interested.

- VV
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From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
Subject: Janeil SP2000 Available from SAH
Organization: DSC
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:31:16 GMT

I just received a Janeil SP2000 stereo processor from Shop At Home, and it
works great! I had read on the net that were sold out, but I called the
satellite tech line (1-800-800-4361) and the guy there (Ed, I think) told
me he thought they had some. I was calling to see if they had some other
kind, if there were no SP2000s. He even checked with shipping to confirm that
they had some in stock. Then I called the sales line (1-800-366-4010) and
ordered SA200. I think she was about to tell me they were out of stock (per
her computer) when I told her that Ed in satellite tech services assured
me they had some in stock. She said fine, and there we are.

I waited to post this until I received it, just to be SURE that they really
were in stock.

They are. It works.

BTW, I know that no one uses matrix stereo anymore, does anybody use 
multiplexed?

You know, this is a neat device for $39.95!

Larry
From: jpost@llnl.gov (John C. Post)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Sci-Fi Channel preview feed active
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:06:47 GMT
Reply-To: jpost@llnl.gov (John C. Post)
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

THAT'S what that was. I was watching some really cool stuff last night, lots 
of fractal landscapes, nice music patched in. It was great! 

John Post
"When it comes to opinion, I have to use my own..."
post1@llnl.gov
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