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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:58:48 GMT
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Michael van Elst (mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de) wrote:
: >:
: >Incorrect, as far as I know.  There are four modes of operation, Real Mode,
: >16-bit Protected Mode, 32-bit Protected Mode, and Virtual86 Mode.  Real Mode
: >has nothing to do with word size or register access; a program running in
: >Real Mode is free to use the full 32-bit registers and data bus.  Lots of
: >current programs take advantage of 32-bit CPUs even though they run in Real
: >Mode.
:
: In my experience there's hardly _any_ software running in real-mode that
: uses '32bit' instructions because this software works even on lowly XTs
: or at least ATs. The major use of '32bit' instructions is to access memory
: above 1Meg. There's also a penalty in using '32bit' instructions in real mode
: (or 16bit instructions in 32bit mode, etc...).
:

In Real Mode, 32-bit instructions are slightly longer than in 32-bit Protected
Mode, because they require address size and/or operand size override bytes.
However, the performance gain of using 32-bit registers and memory access
easily outweighs this.  So there really is no penalty.  Also, I think you'd
be surprised at how much software uses 32-bit code in Real Mode.  PkZip,
for example, works on all PC's, but has special 32-bit speedups for 386 and
up.  Also, many new games require 386 machines even though they run in Real
Mode.

:
: >How can you say that all Real Mode (DOS) software is unomptimized?
: >Word alignment has been a compiler option from the very beginning!
:
: However, this option wasn't largely used because you have to anticipate
: 32bit memory (few people did) when you write the programs and your program
: often gets larger.
:

Actually, "word alignment" in DOS compilers means that structure members start
at 16-bit boundaries, not 32-bit ones.  In any case, it doesn't really matter,
because the option only affects performance on the old 8086/88.

:
: Michael van Elst
:
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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Date: 24 Dec 92 11:22:39 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <38108@cbmvax.commodore.com> by andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel):

> Amiga, and how C= was doomed because of it...what was that, about
> 6 years ago ?

    Can't have been that long ago. I remember what I thought where his
    first postings a few years ago, where he said he would post some
    article (the same sort of trash he posts now) every week until he
    got some action. Then there was the episode where he wanted to
    kill various people.

> 			andy
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 03:40:45 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <1992Dec14.195925.11622@seas.gwu.edu> gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>Yeah, and I could sell all my comics and get an Amiga600 to hook upto
>>my TV, BUT I'M NOT. 
>
>Ha, I am considering doing just that--not for an A600, of course.  I'd get
>an A1200.  I've got over 1500 comics rotting away at home...
>
>-- Gerald

Another individual well on the road to maturity!

Pay attention, Dan.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Tandy Unveils 16-Million-Color CD-ROM Multimedia system
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 04:46:23 GMT

In article <BzMzJ3.86n@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

|>    When I compare CD-ROM desktop computer systems, I am usually talking about
|> systems with a current OS, detached keyboard, hi-res non-interlaced display,
|> fast 32-bit CPU, 262,144-color or 16-million-color palette, and CD-ROM drive.
|> How does your "professional" CDTV measure up in this regard?

I don't believe you people! (And Marc is not the only culprit here...)

I keep hearing about people's criteria for a "real" computer, and this stupid
DETATCHED KEYBOARD thing always shows up! Jeez! I mean, sure, it's nice, and
I'd never want to use a machine with an attatched keyboard again, but it 
doesn't rank up there with CPU speed and display requirements! 

If Cray came out with a new supercomputer that had an ATTATCHED keyboard, guess
it wouldn't be a REAL computer, huh?

|> ---
|> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
|> --------------------------------------------------

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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Well, I found...
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 19:02:57 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>How can you guys stand that flicker?  Please don't tell me you 'get used to
>it'.  I guess you get those add-ons, 'flicker-correctors'.
>
>Hmm.

No, we buy 3000's or 4000's. No flicker on those. Criticizing the flicker
on a 1000 is like criticizing CGA because it can only display 4 colors in
320x200.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg)
Subject: Re: Freedom
Organization: Alien Dreams Department
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:58:14 GMT

In article 34710 Dustan Doud writes:

>You'd be positively amazed at how much more sense this news group makes.  I
>guess its like the gausian distribution: 95% of the problem is caused by 5% of
>the population.  Try Kill, you'll like it.  You'll make your mind a better
>place.

>I am not advocating censorship, just freedom from mindless dribble.

"Try Kill, you'll like it"

Definitely.

>'It's not like the universe isn't going to run down anyway'

True, but mankind certainly will, at least that's what I hope;
someone, please free this bug-ridden world of the disgusting scum that's called mankind.

...now what's this got to do with Amigas ?

...It's illegal to use Amigas to develope nuclear weapons-system...

..."Operation Earth-Storm"....

/Mattias

_______
Mattias Myrberg

m92mmy@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 24 Dec 92 11:44:54 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Dec22.165848.21673@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> by jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel):

> be surprised at how much software uses 32-bit code in Real Mode.  PkZip,
> for example, works on all PC's, but has special 32-bit speedups for 386 and

    PKZIP, the program that has been held up for a long period because
    of hardware bugs in '486 machines? GOOD example.

> | JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
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From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 31 Dec 92 14:07:48 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Dec30.160950.24598@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> Gregory R Block (bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu) wrote:
> 
> There are two reasons.  First, DOS is necessary because people still want to
> run DOS commands and applications.  Second, Microsoft would much rather sell
> two products per PC than one.
> 

	Has any one ever loaded Windows and then deleted MS-DOS?  What
	happens?  I suppose you at least need the stuff that is called
	in config.sys and autoexec.bat, and command.com?  Anything else?

	Can you still run "Windows" apps and the file manager?
> :
> : Greg
> :
> --
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> |    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
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From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tandy Unveils 16-Million-Color CD-ROM Multimedia system
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:31:03 GMT
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <BznCo8.Fs1@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <1h60ehINNpjm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jdutka@wpi.WPI.EDU (John Dutka) writes:
>>In article <BzMzJ3.86n@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>>   When I compare CD-ROM desktop computer systems, I am usually talking about
>>>systems with a current OS, detached keyboard, hi-res non-interlaced display,
>>>fast 32-bit CPU, 262,144-color or 16-million-color palette, and CD-ROM drive.
>>>How does your "professional" CDTV measure up in this regard?
>>
>>Well, so your definition of 'computer' means all that? 
>
>   No, but that is exactly what Commodore's competition would be if they were
>to try to get into the mid-range CD-ROM multimedia market.  All of the systems
>that Commodore would be competing against would have at least an SVGA and a
>32-bit CPU in addition to several meg of RAM, a detached keyboard, and the
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

there goes the portables....


why have "several" megs of RAM when ya don't need it...just cause MacOS and
OS/2 require gobs of memory you set that as a standard.  Bit biased eh?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: clone prices & doom & gloom
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 21:00:58 GMT
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John Carver (John.Carver@launchpad.unc.edu) wrote:
:
: I just saw, at a major computer store, a 486/33 machine from a major clone
: vendor advertized for $999.  This $999 price *inluded* a 15 inch monitor,
: SVGA graphics in 1024x768x8, and a 2400 modem.
:

Careful.  That could be a Cyrix 486, which only has 1K internal cache and no
FPU.

:   John
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 1200/4000 pricing
Date: 30 Dec 1992 02:08:34 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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'>Yeah... I've been shopping for a PC for the past few days.  Let me tell ya,
'>there is a lot of junk out there.  Many of the monitors that come with
'>these systems are unbelievably fussy and many even have visible ghosting.
'>Further, your still talking about a 486DX on an ISA 16-bit bus, 16-bit ram, 
'>a slow VGA card, and no sound.  And you're also talking about 4 MB of
'>ram which is a minimum with Widows.  You're also talking about some no
'>name brand.  To get a good brand with a good monitor in a 486DX, you're
'>looking at about $1800 to $2300 or so on an ISA bus with slow VGA card. 

	Well, for just a little more you can get a GW 2000 33/486 local bus
   system with 250 meg HD, 8 meg ram, VESA local bus ATI ULTRA PRO graphics
   card.  It sells for $2495.  Add OS2 at $79, and Gravis Ultrasound for $140,
   and it's still a pretty good deal at $2700.  At least this way you won't
   have to deal with a slow VGA card and the ISA bus for graphics.

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

'>                                    NCW
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 3 Jan 93 20:41:11 GMT
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Gregory R Block (bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu) wrote:
:
: No, you can't.  The entire system died a horrible death when I zapped
: MS-DOS.  Windows, which supposedly doesn't USE MS-DOS code.  NOT.
:
: And, for Jerry's sake, this was WITH FastDisk up.
:

Greg, this reeks of BS.  What exactly did you delete?  How did you go into
memory and "delete" the parts of DOS that were already resident?  I'd really
like to know.

: Greg
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|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 26 Dec 92 12:09:20 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <BzqrqM.3GF@news.iastate.edu> by barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett):

> the past few years.  Of course my statements are the only ones that ever get
> noticed.  

    Actually no, the other example of this sort of thing that springs
    to mind, Bowie Poag (or some nonsensical name like that) was also
    noticed.

> | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:32412 comp.sys.amiga.misc:19256
From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Byte A4000/A3000T-040 Review
Date: 31 Dec 92 04:38:33 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <72613@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>...here's what the 4000 manual actually says in regards to installation of
>cards:
>"Installation of internal options should be performed by an authorized
>Commodore dealer/service center or by a knowledgeable technicians.
>Commodore will not be liable for any damages or injuries caused by
>improper installation of expansion equipment".
>
>The book DOES NOT mention the warranty being voided.

	Maybe so, but try calling Commodore sometime and mentioning that you
have opened up your Amiga.  I know someone who mentioned this fact to
Commodore employee, and this person was immediately informed that this
action voided the warranty.  Thankfully, my friend's telephone call was
anonymous, so the warranty was not actually voided.

                                                        Dan

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From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipsets
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:13:26 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <1992Dec28.171101.14664@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Andy Finkel (andy@cbmvax.commodore.com) wrote:
>:
>: Basically, BY DESIGN, the OS/2 system is an open one.  The memory protection
>: and file system protection is not designed to be a defense against
>: virus and virus like programs.  Nor does it act like one.  The OS/2
>: protections are instead entirely appropriate for a single user system;
>: they protect against errant programs accidently overwriting the data
>: space of another process.
>:
>
>I believe your points are valid.  On the other hand, have you seen many PC
>viruses?  Many of them are just designed to be annoying; they mess up the
>display and interfere with your work.  They play with the hardware.  That
>type of virus would be difficult to implement under OS/2, although destructive
>viruses could certainly be created.

Thank you.  I believe my points are valid, too :-)

Yes, I've seen, and studied a number of PC viruses.  (I believe a
virus resistant computer system is practical, even for a single
user computer).  The interesting thing is that OS/2 supports
direct hardware access from applications, as part of its design.
The typical PC virus would not be that hard to implement under
OS/2.  It would require a bit of reading and understanding the
published OS/2 docs on the part of the virus writer, but that's
about it.  A more complex OS gives more places for viruses to hide,
not less.

On the other hand, like on the Amiga, virus protection techniques
and programs can be correspondingly more sophisticated and easier
to use on OS/2.  It all balances out.

>| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
-- 
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"There are two kinds of fool.  One says, 'This is old, and therefore good.'
And one says, "This is new, and therefore better.'" - Dean Inge

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:41:57 GMT

In article <BzpBMx.G1w@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
writes:

>>Not that any company that markets a $175 CDTV contraption for recognizing
>>incoming phone calls is a credible source for anything mind you. Perhaps
>>if they developed a *good* tax preparation program, they wouldn't place
>>the onus on everybody else.

>   They have, for IBM CD-ROM.  Unfortunately, CD-ROM technology has not caught
>on at all in the Amiga market.  CDTV excluded, of course, since it is not a
>modern Amiga with an up-to-date OS and graphics capabilities.

Are American tax forms really that difficult to fill out? I realize that a
CD-ROM containing standardized forms for all states and categories would be
beneficial for business and industry, but isn't this a bit of overkill for
the average home user? For the investment in the software and CD-ROM drive,
you could buy a lot of pencils.

Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:32534 comp.sys.amiga.graphics:8345
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: VistaPro & clones
Date: Sun,  3 Jan 93 14:56:22 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1993Jan3.103609.6395@desire.wright.edu>

[...]

>	Yes, I've noticed this too.  I think the reason is is that most
>	people who use PCs and MACs see the Amiga as a toy ( ignorant
>	SOBs ) and if the software products like VistaPro, SuperBase,
>	and Mathematica advertise versions for the Amiga, then they will
>	not be taken seriously.  Remember PC users are a touchy and 
>	insecure bunch.  They have to be constantly reassured that the 
>	PC is the best and most capable or they will whine and stomp
>	their feet.  Could you imagine if, suddenly, the computing powers
>	that be declared that the Amiga was a very capable and desireable
>	system, what havoc that would wreck?  Wives would be telling their
>	husbands that they were jerks for buying that clone, bosses would be
>	screaming at their computer people for being ignorant.  etc. etc.
[...]

Nevermind the fact that the Amiga version of Vista Pro has more features
in it than the MS DOS version has. And it renders much faster. I've
had them running side by side, with the same .scape file loaded, and
as close-to-same features set up in the control panels, one on a
386SX machine, one on a 2500/30, and it was no contest, speed wise.

Semi-related to this, I was reading ClariNet Newsbytes yesterday (I can't
repost the article here due to copyright restrictions) but a new product
press release for a Windows product had been posted. The sole purpose of
this new $99 product is to let Windows users delete disk directories. 
::rubbing eyes:: yeah you read it right. It deletes disk directories
and their subdirs and their contents if any.  Now I don't pretend to
be intimate with Windows, in fact we haven't even slept together, but
apparently there are some horrible genuflections one has to go thru
to delete a Windows dir and its contents, without having to resort to
going down to DOS to do it. So this $99 product lets a Windows user
delete dirs and subdirs and contents without having to drop down to DOS.
Imagine that. For a mere hundred bucks. 

And here all this time I thought the Pet Rock was the biggest quick
money scam of all time... silly me.

Harv

>
>> 
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