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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Shakespeare's influence and some other stuff
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 05:49:08 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Trying something new.

We all know that the Doctor has meet Shakespeare, as proven in City of Death,
and saw Shakespeare in "The Chase".

However, did anyone notice the more influential lines from Shakespearesm
manner?  For example, from State of Decay "My lords, how my I serve thee?",
or even John Pertwee manner in close to that of a Shakespearean character.

Any comments?


Subject:  The Doctor and Ace

I personally am a fan of the Doctor and Ace team, one of the more exciting
teams since the Doctor and Sarah.  In fact, if a "decision" is reversed, I
WOULD LOVE TO SEE the new producers give Syl and Sophie's character develop.

Also, I can't remember who it was, but I do agree with a criticism: The Doctor
is the Doctor, whether 1st or 7th, this is the same person.  We might disagree
that the actor's protrayal differs and which has a better portrayal, but one
should note that these people are just portaying the same character in
a different manner.



Subject:  Escher's Castrovalva.

Patricia Evans, I believe it was you who said that you had a computer
graphics background of the above said work.
Question in general: does ANYONE have a mailable copy of Castrovalva.  Believe
it or not, I have NEVER seen the Escher portrait and would LOVE to obtain a
copy.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: complex stories
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:10:38 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1689BD2DB.GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU> GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU (ggreg) writes:

>one reason i love dr. who so much:   the literary quality of writing.
>watching a really good dr. who episode is like reading a good book.  all
>the characters are well developed, the stories are well fleshed out and
>very substantial.  when a show is over, i feel like i do when i've just
>read a good novel.  and i rarely get that feeling from anything on tv or
>movie screens!  especially something known as st:ng.  give me a break!
>not only do i have almost every episode figured out in the first five minutes,
>but i remember all the commercials more than the show!  why doesn't st:ng
>hire all those out of work dr. who writers?  hell, i've seen better sf on
>northern exposure!   sorry, i shouldn't even be mentioning this crass crap
>on this list, but with everyone around me raving about how great st:ng is, and
>complaining how long and boring dr. who is, well i guess people today just don'
>t read much anymore.  they have no idea of the complex world and sensation
>you can get from reading a good book, something, as i've mentioned earlier,
>dr. who also gives me.  and only dr. who.  sorry for the tirade.  'tis just
>that i really love sf (DR. WHO) and not watered down, puerile(sp?) sci-fi
>(st:ng)  end of rant!!      -ggreg

Your rant was appreciated and applauded.  It is precisely this novel-like
quality that I missed in the McCoy stories (no flames, please--I don't want
to reopen this topic).

ST:TNG could be better but (a) there seem to be more commercials than actual
episode time, and (b) those plots and characters are just plumb tired out. 
If there were as many Dr. Who stories set in the TARDIS as there are ST:TNG
stories set solely on the Enterprise, Dr. Who would be damned dull as well. 
The Trekkies need to get off the ship once in a while!

Also, whatever you may think of Blake's 7, the whole was definitely more
than the sum of its parts.  I get the same novel-like quality from Blake's,
despite the fact that one element (acting, sets/FX, stories) was usually
mediocre.  It just has this *mood*--know what I mean?

Drewcifer
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From: hclase@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Howard Clase)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.tv.uk,soc.culture.british,rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: the BBC World Service Television
Date: 13 Nov 92 13:30:10 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland

In article <Bey1TB5w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>Cuurent, the CBC Newsworld is nicking feeds off of BBC WSTV for newsfeed.
>
	It's not being nicked, it's with per - or since it is mentioned in the
BBC Worldwide guide that CBC Newsworld is rebroadcasting some BBC WSTV newses I
presume it is.  

	So far I've only watched it at 7.00 p.m. NST when we get the 22.00 hrs
BBC News, since Newfoundland time is 3.5 hr behind GMT the CBC must be delaying
it for 30 min.

	I notice that the Dec issue of BBC worldwide says that in Canada the
BBC news will be broadcast _every hour on the hour_; if this is true then there
is obviously a big shake up coming in CBC Newsworld - but I expect it's a
misprint.

	Sorry I cannot help with satellite info.

	Howard Clase
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From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: all the doctors are the b
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:47:35 EST

I have no problem with over-analysis of Dr. Who.  Sorry, but some of us
derive enjoyment by sorting out the little conundrums presented to us by
the show.  Let's face it, its pretty seldom that you can weigh enough
evidence to solve one of life's puzzles successfully.  Those of us who
enjoy trying often like relaxing to a problem with a few less variables.
It limbers the mind.

On the other hand...you're right.  I, at least, get settled into a
comofrtable niche.  I didn't like Davison until Black Orchid, when my
Baker preconceptions finally cleared out and let me see how brilliant
the man was performing.  Well, actually, if a friend hadn't recommended
it I wouldn't have watched that episode, either.  Now I can look back
and enjoy the same shows that made me grit my teeth and wish for Baker.

When Colin & Sylvester took over, each in his turn, I promised myself to
give them a fair shake.  And I have enjoyed them both, though there are
numerous problems I have with the staging and production of the episodes
filmed with Sly.  This is not the actor's fault.  And I'd rather watch a
poor production than none (I have a soft spot in my heart for this
show).

When I was in high school, my friends called me "Doctor".  In real life,
if I was an actor, if I were British, and if I were cast in a major role
in Doctor Who, they'd give me the Master.  It's just because of the way
I look.  But....if I were the Doctor I'd hope that the viewers would
give me a chance to *play* the role before I was damned for not being
(fill in your favourite Doc).

So what's my point?

I've got two:

        1.  It's all right to have a favourite, but that shouldn't
preclude enjoying them all, and

        2.  I'm *way* more long-winded than the average person.
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From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (andrew david simchik)
Subject: Re: Ace...is there a real life comparison?
Keywords: lkjhbkijgfkijgbkjb
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 23:24:34 GMT

In <BxBDw0.6pp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason) writes:


>  Lets get a few things straight here. While the Andrew Simchik debate carries

The "Andrew Simchik" debate?  I'm flattered.

>  on unabated ,Id like to add a few comments about Ace....
>  (1) Ihave yet to find somebody who identifies with her through character,
>  ie wicked ! excellent! etc. I alos do not know any 19-21 year old females
>  as immature as ACE. Perhaops it is the social \circles I keep, but this sort of   Character does not exist.
>      The British find her popular (a)  she is female, and she appeals to the 
>      dribbling\perverts because they dont have girlfriends themselves
>      (b) character development was popular, even in the bad stories. i mean,
>      we d just got over bonnie Langford!!!

YAY!!!  Not everyone likes Ace!

>      (2)  Yet there are many who have shared her experiences, so dont knock it.
>       Its good we make these things public, too long are we subject to the 
>       propaganda that every thing is fine (yes, that is a political statement)
>       Ace is just an expression of Thatchers decade, adecade of misery for many  Britons, as the gap between rich & poor got bigger, unemployment rose to levels higher than any govt. since the 30's. From this, we get social unrest, like
>       racism, and this was adressed.
>       Before anybody clever points out taht Ace would have been growing up in
>       her formative years under the recession hit Labour govt., I am aware. But the Ace of the programme is avictim of the social problems exacerbated in the
>       1980s, and look like they are getting much worse.

Look, social relevance is all very well but it hardly makes for a great
character all on its own.  I can knock her as a companion because whether or
not you liked her in relation to life *outside* the series, *inside* the
series she was damned obnoxious.  If this is what social relevance entails,
I don't want it.

>       So in one way Ace is not real at all. Her identificatiopn comes with her experiences for the British, and I fully applaud DrWho for addressing it. It may be scifi, but theres no use in sweeeping it all under the carpet to be ignored,
>       hell, thats how the problmes got worse in the first place.

>       Jason.

>       Final point: I am glad I got out of England for a year, because the sit-
>       uation was getting worse. But You can never run away, you will have to 
>       confront the problems of the world and deal with them.
>       What do you think the Doctor was trying to do in Ghost Light?
>       Think on it.

Again: all very nice, but Dr. Who is less than effective as an allegory.

Drewcifer
From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: the doctor is...
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:35:30 EST

Ref:  Romona didn't know him from Adam....

1.  She knew it took him two tries to pass the Acadamy, and that he
almost failed then.

2.  She knew his age, and when he disagreed, was adamant ("You've lost
track there somehwere") (He was claiming to be 2 years younger, not
thousands of years older, then the age she stated).

Also:

1.  Drax was in his class (the Class of the 4th Millenium) and knew his
school code (Theta Sigma).

2.  Borusa taught him at the Acadamy (Deadly Assassin and Invasion of
Time).

This is like trying to say that Shakespeare was Bacon because we don't
know enough about his history.  Well, we know more about Skaespeare's
history than any other playwrite of his time, and we know more about the
Doctor than any other Time Lord.
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From: 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dr who anyone?y
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:40:56 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1992Nov10.154628.11718@bsu-ucs>, 00rrchorzemp@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
> In article <domalley.721328842@unix1.tcd.ie>, domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley)) writes:
>> In <1992Nov7.161803.3073@micom.com> sarah@micom.com (Sarah Menolly/K.J. Montgomery) writes:
>> 
>>>In article <gate.gsBuTB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> prisoner@infopls.chi.il.us (Pat Mondi) writes:
>> 
>>>>... Who is the most popular Doctor on television? You are correct!
>>>                ^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>>>Quincy!
>> 
>> No, no, no...
>> It's Doctor Kildare! ;-)
> 
> No no no no no!!!!!  Blasphemers!!!!
> 
> It is THE DOCTOR!!!

But, my dear, Doctor WHO?

> -- 
> Time Lady Rebecca
>                            
> 00rrchorzemp@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
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From: 00bwanderson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: US Distribution of Dr. Who Books
Date: 13 Nov 92 06:03:35 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <141337@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, lawrence2@llnl.gov writes:
> Does anyone know of a US outlet where I can buy Target / Virgin 
> Dr. Who books? Esp. the New Adventures. Since the series died,
> local bookstores have quite stocking them.

Reader's World, Waldenbooks, B. Dalton Bookseller...

they've all got them, or can order them.  I was in a B. Dalton last month and
was surprised (this was in rural Indiana, mind you) at the number of books they
had (including Witch Mark).  If I'd the money then...*sigh*

8^)

Happy hunting!

(pd-one hint: when asking after the New Adventures, as for them like this:

Dr Who: Cat's Cradle: Time's Crucible
...  )

Bruce
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From: T.G.Nattress@newcastle.ac.uk (Graeme Nattress)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Daemons.
Date: 10 Nov 92 09:30:31 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU


There is an article in the New Radio Times about the colourisation of the
Daemons and it will be broadcast on Friday the 20th November at 7.15pm ,
the 1st ep, that is. On BBC 2.

BTW:

The tomorrow people is on on Wed 18th Nov. on ITV


Graeme,
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: end of the ace thing
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:00:34 EST

Hello, Drewcifer, this is Daniel.  I don't think I've really talked to
you before apart from an "I am the Master.  You will obey me." and that
was just a joke.  I have, on the other hand, followed this Ace Thing and
found it somewhat amusing.  I don't know Ace well enough to like her or
hate her; and, in any case, Like McCoy's Doctor it is difficult to tell
where the *character* and the *script/production* elements diverge.  I
don't like the new *style* of the McCoy episodes, though this might be
from seeing too few of them.

In any case, I also appreciate the "Netiquette" of shorter messages
(parring down copying their statements, not paring down your replies) as
this is *the* most active Doctor Who conference I have access to.  From
last posting (last night) to today there are 70 messages.  Oh joy!

In some ways it is a shame to let this Ace Thing die.  I agree, however,
at this point it is the mature thing to do.  It has been amusing.

All things considered, I'll understand if you don't reply to this post.
You might get lynched for it.  Good BBSing!

                                Daniel.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho,rec.arts.sf.marketplace
From: timelord@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey JACOBS)
Subject: Re: Dr. Who autographed books for sale
Summary: All in good fun : {)
Keywords: Autographs.
Organization: The Query Master Syndicate.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:59:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.232040.1054@ultb.isc.rit.edu> phbob@ritcsh.csh.rit.edu (Phbob) writes:
>
>I went digging through one of my old storage boxes at home and uncovered
>four Dr. who books that I had autographed at Whovents/conventions 
>(whatever the term is now).  Since I have unfortunately not seen the

Why would we want to buy books that YOU had autographed.  Are you
planning to become famous?  :{)

[...]
>  signed by Tom Baker AND Patrick Troughton (sp)
>
>In fact they are all personalized to me.  The Troughton autograph I got
>in Philly or Trenton (I forget) but anywhay it was about 2 or 3 months
>before he died.

I don't care how much you lost interest in Doctor Who, if *I* were you
I'd keep the Throughton book.  If not for the sentimental value, at
least the monitary value.  The longer after his passing you wait, the
more that signature will be worth.  Quite an investment.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: danaf@rs6405.ecs.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Missing episode list needs to be posted
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:38:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.124506.263@rivers>, ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
|> In article <Bx7zKE.8K9@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason) writes:
|> 
|> THE MISSING EPISODES  (by story names only)
|> 
|> FIRST DOCTOR - WILLIAM HARTNELL
|> 
|> Season Four
|> 	The Smugglers (all 4)

Aren't we being optimistic, removing The Tenth Planet?   8)


|> Steve.K.Manfred

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From: markc@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Off-screen adventures
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:00:04 GMT




>The War Games (ZZ), and arguably other stories that hint of a previous
>		existance on Gallifrey.  First story where it is named.

Minor correction. Gallifrey is first *named* in "The Time Warrior". No name
is given in "The War Games"
Mark C.



>Frank Durda IV <uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org>|"Can it be possible then, that
From: daniel.bishop@canrem.com (daniel bishop)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: "planet of fire" -- exten
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:29:56 GMT
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

Interesting.
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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Missing episode list needs to be posted
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:45:06 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <Bx7zKE.8K9@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (stevens jason) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE PUTTING THE LIST OF THE MISSING DR WHO
> EPISODES ONTO THE NEWSPAGE? THAT IS A NEW LIST?
> IF NOT COULD YOU SEND ME A COPY?
> THANKS                                            jasstev@uxa.cso.uiuc.e
> 


Ask and ye shall receive


THE MISSING EPISODES  (by story names only)

FIRST DOCTOR - WILLIAM HARTNELL

Season One
	Marco Polo  (all 7)
	The Reign of Terror (4,5)
Season Two
	The Crusade (1,2,4)
Season Three
	Galaxy Four (all 4)
	Mission to the Unknown (all 1 :)
	The Myth Makers (all 4)
	The Daleks' Masterplain (1-4,6-9,11,12)
	The Massacre of St Bartholemew's Eve (all 4)
	The Celestial Toymaker (1-3)
	The Savages (all 4)
Season Four
	The Smugglers (all 4)

SECOND DOCTOR - PATRICK TROUGHTON
	The Power of the Daleks (all 6)
	The Highlanders (all 4)
	The Underwater Menace (1,2,4)
	The Moonbase (1,3)
	The Macra Terror (all 4)
	The Faceless Ones (2,4-6)
	The Evil of the Daleks (1,3-7)
Season Five
	The Abominable Snowmen (1,3-6)
	The Ice Warriors (2,3)
	The Enemy of the World (1,2,4-6)
	The Web of Fear (2-6)
	Fury From the Deep (all 6)
	The Wheel in Space (1,2,4,5)
Season Six
	The Invasion (1,4)
	The Space Pirates (1,3-6)

THIRD DOCTOR - JON PERTWEE
	*copies of all his episodes exist and are held in black and white.
	*this list reflects episodes where NO color copies are held.
Season Seven
	Doctor Who and the Silurians (1-7, being recolorized as I write)
	The Ambassadors of Death (2-7)
Season Eight
	The Mind of Evil (1-6)
Season Ten
	Planet of the Daleks (3)
Season Eleven
	Invasion of the Dinosaurs (1)

*recolorization has been completed on "The Daemons", "Terror of the
Autons," and is near completion on "The Silurians."
*episode list refers to broadcastable quality in the USA, as opposed to
the UK.  The BBC would still like some better copies of some of the other
episodes held in color as they are in the American format.

Steve.K.Manfred
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From: domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley))
Subject: Re: Off-screen adventures
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:17:05 GMT

In <BxI9M9.LJB@newcastle.ac.uk> B.J.Williams@newcastle.ac.uk (Barry Williams) writes:

>otten@quark.umd.edu (Neil Ottenstein) writes:

>>If not, would any qualified people care
>>to put together such a list including the story which refers to the
>>previous adventure and any details about it which are revealed.

>Well I'm prepared to start the ball rolling. Here's what I thought of:

[list deleted]

>That's about all I can think of at the moment. Any more takers?

Shada: The Doctor mentions that he visited Chronotis on 4 (or 5) other
occasions.

Daniel.
>Barry.
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