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From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Korea
Date: 29 Sep 92 15:08:35 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <1992Sep29.133243.25451@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>Yes!  I think the prestige of the Korean language will grow with the
>economic power of Korea.  As you said, if not for anything else, new
>generation Koreans may be highly motivated to learn the language for the
>most capitalistic and selfish reason of them all... MONEY!
>
>So, creating high-paying jobs for bilinguals may be much more effective
>than lecturing for hours about the importance of heritage and culture.

>James H. Choi  (hyung-joon Choi)

Of course, the monetary reward can be very significant motivation for learning
Korean.  However, to my observation most 2nd generation korean kid below the
age of kindergarden, in many cases that I have seen, have little or no problem
speaking Korean.  However, it is at this stage many start to forget the Korean
language; there are just too much competitions such as Ninja Turtles,
Nintando, Cartoons, and starting to attend preschool etc..  It is very tough
to motivate these kids as to what opportunities they may have 15-20 years from
now. 

As I stated before, at the early years it is crucial that parents get involved
in teaching Korean and make it interesting.  Of course, parents can have
monetary sucess as their motivation... no matter under whatever motivations,
children need to be taught that heritage and culture AND language is
important.  

--
Andrew Sung Hyun Kim        " 'All truth is simple',  is it not doubly a lie?"
andrew@eecs.nwu.edu         " The refinement of morality increase  with  the
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From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Please send me a copy of hangul romanization table
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:45:19 GMT

Subject says it all.

Thank you indvance.
James Choi
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From: ywlee@sparc27.cs.uiuc.edu (Youngwhan Lee)
Subject: Final Call for KSEA Midwest Regional Conference
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:45:25 GMT

Dear Korean Scientists and Engineers,

If you haven't send your abstract for the conference yet,
I urge you to federal-express it today. (The closing date 
is today.) 

I also urge you to mark your calendar to participate the conference.
Not only you will meet all those scientists and engineers in the conference
but you will have a chance to talk to many recruiters from Korean companies
in Korea. 
(Room and board will be provided.)

youngwhan.


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From: woongki@syacus.acus.oz.au (Woong-Ki Chong)
Subject: Was (Re: dual citizenship .....)
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:12:05 GMT


>Confucious's mother moved three times.  It is because the environment
>influences people's thought pattern and value.


Wasn't it Maeng-Ja's (Mengcious?) mother?



Woong-Ki
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Working in Korea- is it worth it?
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:14:54 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Sep29.011147.7427@oracle.us.oracle.com> jnlee@uucp (John Lee) writes:
>Here are my impression of Korean working environment from my most recent
>visits. The first thing that struck me was how smokey the working environment
>was, every male employee seems to smoke, and often.  As a non smoker this was
>very hard for me to take. Another thing that also stuck me as odd is people
>do no have any initiative to take things on and get the job done.  You might
>expect this type of work attitude in an assembly line but these were very 
>high level engineers in world class company. Their mode of operation consists
>of an order from group manager that triggers machine like efficiency that 
>gets order accomplished, but that all. No personal initiative to define
>required tasks and take them on.  Of cause this is social structure that

Besides smoking, the work habit as described above is quite startling.  Cares
to offer an example of such situation since above paragraph might suggest
something of generalization?  Of course I at least will keep in mind it'll be 
a personal experience of one person.  Inquiring minds want to know, I guess.
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From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: The future of Korea
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 03:12:30 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Sep30.172341.3690@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>
u1714614@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au writes:
>I assume (expect ?), Korea will be united with North Korea in
>the near future - perhaps within 5 years.

	You must be dreaming... seen some doggy :)

In article <1992Oct2.002006.24431@news2.cis.umn.edu> shanepe@staff.tc.umn.edu writes:
>stage 1 Have full communication between governments
>(no kidding)

	You don't call it a government; it's more than regime;
	those who believe in God can probably compare themselves
	with North Korean people under KIM IL-SUNG.

>stage 2 Allow companies to exchange information and technology.  

	What company?  Do they have such thing?

>Allow Korean civilians to communicate with eachother via

	What will those who belive in God say to those who deny
	their God and insult him?

	Those who were born afer Korean War should be even in their
	40's, which means that we are dealing with those who
	grew up with the belief in Greater-than-their-own Father/God.

> Possibly (probably) bring in 3rd party negotiators (i.e., US
> UN, EC, CIS, China, Japan, etc)

	No, I don't think this is good idea.

There's one thing you have to know; it's quite far from politics
in North Korea.  What do you say when someone's birthplace is
marked as Holy Place.

Unfortunately, I can't imagine any clue for unification in near future;
in addition, out of the unification, I can only imagine economic diaster that
overshadows the emotional triumph.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
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From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: America and Americans
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:36:04 GMT

In article <1OCT199216130626@zeus.tamu.edu> b0k2481@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, BYUNGSEON) writes:
>>I, Andrew Sung Hyun Kim wrote:
>>If draft-dodger Clinton becomes
>>president, I don't think unwillingness to fight will be much of
>>an issue :)
>
>    I don't know.  Do you think such unwillingless can be justified
>    by any circumstances?  How many people are willing to go to war?

Please note the smiley face at the end of the statement....
(For humor impaired people only).

>>Please give it a more thought before you post your reply,
>>if such is your desire; let us have real logical discussion!
>
>    You got the point.  Would you think more, please, before you say
>    what in the text book mechanically?
>>Andrew Sung Hyun Kim
>B. Sean Kim....................... 


You still have not presented to me any historical facts, just suppositions
and flight of imaginations.  I would still welcome fact based logical
debate.

Well, yes, I base my statements upon history books, not just one... Should I
quote you the sources that I have read?  Now, if you do not base your
statements upon any writings, I suppose you KNOW the past history much better
than historians.  Well from now on, we can converse via email, for we are
getting into non-Korean domain of interest.


Take care,

====================
Andrew Sung Hyun Kim        " 'All truth is simple',  is it not doubly a lie?"
andrew@eecs.nwu.edu         " The refinement of morality increase  with  the
andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu    refinement of fear "       Friedrich Nietzsche
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From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: PC PRICE (was Re: Korea)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:48:16 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park
Keywords: PC PRICE

In article <22879@optima.cs.arizona.edu> kim@cs.arizona.edu (Kyung Soo Kim) writes:
>buy 386/486 motherboard at $210 in Yongsan Elec. center.  Which
>is even cheaper than in the U.S.  486 CPU chip costs $800 in Korea (Jun. '92).

	Does this pricing include CPU?

	I guess not judging from the second statement quoted;
	and $210 for 486 motherboard (if it has CPU) is riduculously
	cheap; however $210 for barebone motherboard for 386 w/o CPU
	is ridiculously high comparing to U.S. market.

> Also, friend of mine upgraded his memory to 4M(it cost him
>$230 in Jul. '92).

	Well, you'll find lots of ad. $30-$40 for 1x9 70 SIMM
	in PC week; check out Cheap Merchantp price - and probably
	those cheap are from Korea, aren't they?

> The HD price is higher than here(120M Quantem drive 
>was $800, where maxtor and conner priced around $700).

	Damn!
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	dskim@eng.umd.edu
From: kgtjan@cs.bu.edu (Gi Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Hangul word processor
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:01:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: kgtjan@cs

I have a couple of questions regarding Hangul word processor for PC.
I have hangul 1.50 from Hangul and Computer Co., and it is not a laser 
version.  Is there ways to create Postscript files from the Hangul files?
I just wanted to print files created using Hangul thru a laser printer
which is connected to the unix main frame.

If any of you have laser version of Hangul, Can I have a copy of it?

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From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: Final Memo to JC (Was RE: Dual Citizenship)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:32:51 GMT

Mr. BS Kim:

It was very interesting that every one of your answer was what I have been
advocating in the first place. :)

A cornered man cried pretty loud.  And got rather personal.  It was hard
for him to answer because he had to agree with my position.  So, the
argument became a personal attack with harsh words but without substance.

That is exactly what I expected and you proved my point. :)

Thank you very much for fulfilling my childish desire with your mature
answers.

James Choi
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From: Shane M. Peterson <shanepe@staff.cis.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Business Info. Exchange
Organization: CIS-WBCS
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:21:43 GMT


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From: andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim)
Subject: Re: ROH's visit to CHINA
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:36:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.142622.29361@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Suh Jung Yul" <jysuh@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
>>>ROH ARRIVED IN CHINA FOR HISTORIC VISIT
>
>>Shouldn't he be greeted by the leader of China?
>>Does Chinese Trade Minister equal to the president of South Korea?
>
>>Kyung-Goo Doh

>It shows how Chinese views Korea.
>One other barbaric tribe to be appeased, while she is 
>gobbling up Tibet and Inner Mongolia.

Considering that he will not be the president anymore after few month, and
how precarious his political position is right now... I think above
is to a degree understandable.

He has no reason to go to Beijing, he could only complicate the
future negotiation.  Why, not let the next president take care of
the negotiation?  I think, similar thinking has postponed Taiwanese
from negotiating with ROK government.  

Presidetn Noh is right now in very uncomfortable position.  What will
he do after the election?  Who can he lean on after the election?
Will there be investigations into his role in the past events?
I don't know exactly what he is trying to do now, but his
recent resignation from his OWN party must have something to do
with his 'survival plan'.

>Jung Suh  
>P.S. : Imperialsts are not necessarily American nor Europian nor
>       Japanese.

There is no need to go into China bashing...  ROK have not been
a model humanitarian nation.  For Korean economic future, this 
establishment of relationship will be very critical.  In coming
century something more critical to worry about may be 'economic wars'
and 'economic imperialism'.  If EOC and such alliances ever come
to fruition, Korea will need all the allies it can get.

Andrew Sung Hyun Kim
--
"There are three forces, only three, on this earth that can
  overcome and capture once and for all the conscience of these
   feeble, undisciplined creatures, so as to give them happiness.
    These forces are miracle, mystery, and authority."
     The Grand Inquisitor.. from "Brothers Karamazov" by Fydor Dostoevsky.
From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:Korean
Date: 2 Oct 92 03:42:43 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas


	>  But once they learn enough, usually at the
	>U.S.'s expense, go back to their homeland. They took full advantage of
	>this OPPORTUNITY.  Welcome to the land of OPPORTUNITY, landies and
	>gentlemen.
	>James Choi

Mr. Choi. It may not be what you want to say. However, it sounds to me that US allows foreign students to study here for charity. When I got admission with "generous university fellowship", I thought in that way. It was so suprized and great for us to give money and chance to a korean who have never contributed anything to America. However, since I got here, I think it's very naive thought.  With such small money, American absorbs highest brains in the third world. Think about what will happen if America s
tops this policy.  Engineering and Science Schoolsshould be shut down and quality of university teaching and research must go down irreversably. This is the same policy as US allows Mexicans to smuggle or immigrate for cheap labor.   My point is that America also have taken full advantage of this and in fact, they got much profit at this deal and they will do as long as America industry is bigger than what can be managed by only American.  
Sorry for intervining your serious dialogue.   Byungtae Lee (the guy who hates unix editors such as emacs, vi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: seo@capone.ccsm.uiuc.edu (Jong-Wook Seo)
Subject: Re: Chuseok
Organization: Microelectronics Lab - Univ. of Illinios
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:20:50 GMT

In article <Bv3ux1.FJ9@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, rsnxprt@mentor.cc.purdue.edu 
(Nan-Jeong Hee [RSN-XPRT])

>An neong,
An neong!

>   Does anyone know anything about Chuseok over in Korea? 
According to a Korean newspaper, over twenty million people, which is 
almost half of the population, had joined the homeward bound.
Obviously, Chuseok is still the biggest holiday in Korea.

>I believe it was on the 15th.  
Yes, it is August 15 in lunar calendar.
It usually comes in between September and October - the harvest season 
with wonderful weather, colorful mountains, and the beautiful blue sky.

>Does anyone celebrate over here?
Yes, we do.
Here in Urbana, the Korean Student Association organizes a big party each 
year.
Whole Korean community in Champaign county enjoys it.
Lots of fun and entertainments!
SSi-Rum(Korean traditional wrestling), Poong-Mool (group performance 
of the Korean traditional rhythm for outdoor entertainment), and lots of 
food including Mag-Gul-Ri(Korean traditional alcoholic drink).
(Do we drink too much?)

My wife bought some Song-Phyun, which is a traditional cake (?) 
almost exclusively for Chuseok.
Of course, we rented some Korean video tapes to feel the home sweet.

>NanJeong

Jong-Wook Seo
From: leeju@eecae.msu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Choi, HongSik
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:48:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Michigan State University, College of Engineering
Originator: leeju@eecae.ee.msu.edu

I am looking for a friend who recently transferred to George Washington
University from Michigan State University. He must be a Ph. D student
in Computer Science Department. 
His name is Choi, HongSik.
Please e-mail me by this address if you know him or let him know that
i am looking for.

leeju@egr.msu.edu

Thank you very much.

Lee, Jungtaek
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From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Dual citizenship
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 22:19:16 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <RS3-amA@engin.umich.edu> tempo@engin.umich.edu (Kyoungkuhn Park) writes:
>Some colleges give admissions to foreign students because they pay
>out-of-state tuition.

	Plus, they can't change that out-of-state status until
	they are there.

	Colleges won't make profit out of tuition, if the tuition
	from students are their main source of money, that school doesn't
	seem to have bright future.

> After graduation, some students stay here and get permanent job.

	Not easy thing to do.

> In one sense, they are trying to give something back to this country.

	I don't know about this; I don't think I trying to give something
	back to this country; I'm just working here because they
	seem to pay more and U.S. seem to have more spending power.

	I've never heard of anyone's getting job in U.S. in order to
	give something back to this country.

> Then what, some Americans think, they really do is taking jobs away from
> Americans.

	Frankly, I really think this is B.S.

	What do you think is the ratio of # of students getting perm. job
	/ # of foreign students in U.S.

	I think this is pretty much same kinda excuse as I can't
	get promotion because I'm Korean.
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From: btlee@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Mr. Byungtae Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re:Computer in Korea
Date: 28 Sep 92 06:02:53 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

From: claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee) writes:

	>There are almost no computers in Korea.  Everyone uses an abacus.
Instead of the din of the noisy dot-matrix printers, the clatter
of hundreds of fingertips knocking around little beads torture the
eardrums in the typical office.  In fact, secretaries are readily 
recognizable by their muscular fingers and calloused fingertips.
What few computers they do have, they are hopelessly behind--they're
mechanical!  

  What! are you sure kidding?  Now, Korean is one of major PC manufacturing countries and most of companies have been eagerly computerized.  Still, there are two families of PC, IBM compatible and Japanese versions which are transmitted  by IBM Korea.  However, IBM compatible seems to win in this game.  

	>Instead of disks, they have punched cards made of compressed seaweed.
The good thing is, if you get hungry at work, you can eat the date.
The loss of information by this method is a major problem.

Once again, you are talking about stone age.   Now, both 3" and 5" are availabe and you can find the same trend in Korea. 3" is getting popular. In short, you can find everything in Korea which you can see here. I, myself was in charge of computer department and business planning of Inforation related product. Even Laser printer is big business there.			

	>I hope this was informative. :) :) :) :) :)

As I told you, it is not informative but outdated and misinformative.		Have a nice day
  
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From: b0k2481@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, BYUNGSEON)
Subject: America and American
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:58:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.151302.14730@news.acns.nwu.edu>, andrew@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Sung Hyun Kim) writes...
>In article <30SEP199222594175@zeus.tamu.edu> b0k2481@zeus.tamu.edu (KIM, BYUNGSEON) writes:


>>   Why don't you distinguish between Idealism and Realism?
> 
>What is reality?  I really, really doubt that US will fall
>prey once again to putting its own people into detention camp.  

     It is a real supprise.  How can we have such different
     perspectives.  If the threat becomes graet, American will
     even use nukes too.  What basis you don't think so?

>DO you think that if US and Japan gets involved in a conflict
>US will put Japanese Americans into detention camp?  First of
>all were ALL Japanese interned?  What were the social atmosphere
>at the time of detention? AND do you not see the differences
>between then and now?  Did interned not receive compensation
>and sinceriest apology from the US government?  Time and attitudes
>have significantly changed.  

     I don't see any difference.  Time has changes only 47 years.
     Attitude?  I can see how effective the American propaganda
     system is.  According to certain poll, majority of Americans
     believe the war after WWII will be the most disastrous in the
     human history.  What can not be happen?  Do you believe there
     will be no more such war?  I hope so too.  We are talking "if".

>If draft-dodger Clinton becomes
>president, I don't think unwillingness to fight will be much of
>an issue :)

     I don't know.  Do you think so?  How many people are willing to
     fight for any kind of war?  Do you really think such unwillingness
     - I mean war - can be justified?  Is it logical?
     Mr. Kim, I became just speechless.  It is not the logic, rudeness,
     etc., but the basis what you think on.

B. Sean Kim.......................
From: bhwang@acsu.buffalo.edu (bohyeon hwang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: test
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:30:34 GMT
Organization: UB
Originator: bhwang@ozan4.eng.buffalo.edu



this is a test. ignore..
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From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Working in Korea- is it worth it?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:18:10 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.202017.7873@oracle.us.oracle.com> jnlee@uucp (John Lee) writes:
>    anything (other than a very puzzled look).  The manager told me he
>    did not understand exectly what I asked him to do, but he felt 
>    that guy who wrote the paper should've understood the instructions
>    anyway!   

I wasn't generalizing or anything but was plainly curious of a such work 
experience.  All it implies it seems is inefficiency due to lack of open 
communication even though the manager (who confessed he did not understand 
exact request but still asks his subordinate to do the task) deserves 
firing squad (not literally of course).  

>I think this type of problem is somewhat unique in high tech areas where
>people do not like to admit that they do not understand or know specific
>areas of technalogy.  This is not a unique trait to Koreans, but Koreans 
>seems to feel they should know all, and asking just punches hole in their
>credibility.  ...

Ridiculous positioning.  Note that my comment is not directed to the writer
Mr John Lee but people involved in situations alleged by the writer. 
I wonder whether I could imply 2 situations above written by Mr John Lee
is fairly constant affair.

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