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From: tdietz@tcedge.mi.org (Tom Dietz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: C-NET
Distribution: world
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! v0.95f
Date: 29 Aug 92 10:27:25 EDT
Organization: EXCELSIOR! Tech Support BBS (313) 77-AMIGA

In an article, eodell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Eugene O'Dell) writes:

>Why're you complaining that Ken used PD code?  It's in the public
>domain for a reason, and the reason is that so people can benefit from
>it.
>

PD code is still Copywritten.  Copywritten code is protected for the basic 
principle of someone else cannot sell it.  People that produce PD code are a 
good asset to the Amiga community, they share there knowledge openly with 
others, this code is STILL copywritten, this is the what copyright office says 
is protected:

The owner of the copyright has the EXCLUSIVE right to do and to authorize 
others to do the following:


o  To reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords.

o  To prepare derivitive works based upon the copywritten material.

o  To distribute copies or phonorecords by public sale or other transfer of 
   ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending.

o  To display the copyrighted work publicly.

As you can see, the author still remains full owner of said material.  PD code 
doesnt mean "Here you go, just #include it in and sell it."  that is immoral.  
Some CNet owners have sent me mail claiming I am trying to dis-credit CNet, 
and thats not the case.  I have taken personal attacks from Ken and his 
buddy's which is fine, I expected that.  But just because someone takes the 
time to write code themselves doesnt mean we cant use it as a feature.  Hell, 
my partner has been working on our own AUX: for almost a month, thats all he 
does is work on that.  Now I dont think its fair that we cannot use that 
againest Ken.  Its OUR OWN CODE, Ken does not write a lot of his code, which 
is unethical, immoral, and could be illegal.  Just to set things straight 
before I get flamed by the Cnet clan.  We are using our strong points as 
features for our BBS, it does resemble the CNet structure (if you want to 
compare it to CNet as if it was original?), but its a much better written 
program.  If you want to stand behind Ken fine, but dont try to suppress 
others by saying "Only the authors of the program should care, so just drop 
the code stealing bit".  That dis-credits Amiga owners, there are a lot of 
pirates out there, but I still believe there are people that support the Amiga 
ethically and legally.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: eickler@messua.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Andre Eickler)
Subject: Term2.3 and 7N1...anyone with this configuration out there?
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date:  3 Sep 92 17:47:51 GMT

Hi there!

If I run Term2.3_030 with seven bits, no commands send by Term work,
i.e. no dialing, no reset, etc... If I switch to eight bit I get all
vt-commands displayed on screen instead of executed (with strip eigth
bit, without it does not work at all). With Term2.2b that worked partially.
Can anybody help me? I would like to use the new version :)

Andre

From: aites@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Jim Aites)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:11:14 GMT
Subject: Re: JRComm Palate
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm

Gene,

| always changes back to the default colors instead of the bootup colors
| How do I get it to stay with the bootup colors?

Each entry carries it's own serial/term/macro/colors.  It picks up the 'system'
standards when it is first entered.  If you want it to be (or stay different),
just edit that entry, change what you want, and then SAVE the entire set to 
JRComm.phones (or whatever).

Make sense?

Jim
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Term 2.3 still has problems...
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:03:05 GMT

olsen@sourcery.mxm.sub.org (Olaf Barthel) writes:
:    During development I noticed once that closing the status window could
: produce an Enforcer hit. Having rewritten the input loop the error never
: turned up again. May I ask which version of `term' you are using? The
: official v2.3 release was compiled on August 22.

That's the one I've got.  :)  Unusual.  I can't explain it...  It
seems to be unreliably unreproducible.  :)  It does happen, it just
happened a while after posting that it doesn't happen anymore.

:    Strange, you shouldn't be able to use CGTimes at all since it's a
: proportional-spaced font (a beta v2.3 would allow using them, provided

(it doesn't, under 2.04.  That's the point:  I wanted to have the
status bar and screen ID in cgtimes 13.  Like everything else in my
system.  :)

: you were running a special beta operating-system release). The user-interface

(shh.)

: and the terminal simply won't properly support it. As for the user-interface,
:a future operating system release may fix the bugs which currently prevent usi
: proportional-spaced fonts with some gadtools objects. The terminal

Ahh, so it's a system bug.  Okay.  'Nuff said.

: will probably never support them since all common computer terminals were
:strictly speaking just extensions of glass teletypes (only fixed-width letters
: available).

Understood.  I just wanted to use CGTimes.font 13 for the top status
bar and menus, actually.  I wouldn't care if the status stuff below is
in the same text as the terminal text.  I like my menus.  :)

Greg

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: king@rtsg.mot.com (Steven King, Software Archaeologist)
Subject: Re: Urgent Request...
Reply-To: king@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:30:58 GMT

danaf@aix.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) publicly declared:
>Needed ASAP: the anonymous FTP address or name of a commercial program
>that will support a non-modem direct link connection to a 9600 baud
>'datalink box', a thingie sorta like a stripped-down modem. This if for
>a direct 9600 baud link to a UNIX dataline.. I'm sick of calling in at
>2400 baud.
>
>This program SHOOULD support Kermit, which is what RPI staff push, and
>must be able to make a connection WITHOUT using any AT commands, as the
>box doesn't support them. JRComm, wonderful in so many ways, has been
>useless to me.

Um, what *does* the box require for a connection?  I've used JRComm
many times for direct serial port to serial port null modem
connections.  That certainly doesn't require the use of any AT
commands.  Tell us what your box expects and we'll tell you where to
get it.  (I suspect JRComm will really do the job, if you configure it
right.)

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From: huebner@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Huebner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Supra Modem Problem
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:05:26 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <14252@mindlink.bc.ca> Terry_Palfrey@mindlink.bc.ca (Terry Palfrey) writes:

>hear a ringing tone, a click then the modem disconnects and dials the next
>number in the queue. This happens in NComm2.0 and Jr-Comm environments.

I have this problems with the Supra as well.  After some testing and help
from Supra, I have determined the problem is with Supra's method for
detecting BUSY signals.  The method is very dependant on your local phone
company's tones and timing.  My Supra works fine at my Summer residence,
and rarely detects correctly here at school.  There's really no solution
other than to put the modem into "dumb" mode (with the ATX command).  The
1.2 ROMS do nothing to rectify this situation.  

In Supra's defense, the tones used here in Indiana are (I am told) fairly
out-of-spec, so on a proper phone system the Supra should work okay.  Other
modem brands however (USR, PP&S) have no problems detecting BUSY here.
From: jeannet@stheno.enst.fr (Olivier Jeannet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: protocols, speeds, what are V42bis, etc..
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:15:42 GMT
Organization: Telecom Paris, France

I would like to be absolutely sure about the standards named Vxx[bis].
Can someone explain me what are

V32, V32bis, V42, V42bis, MNP4, MNP5.
Does a "bis" indicate the use of MNPx protocol ? How do these standards
interact ?

This must be a FAQ, but I'm getting confused reading some ads talking about
2400 bps AND V42bis (which, I thought, was 14400 bps). Thanx for precise
answers.

Olivier.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: willw@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (William Waring)
Subject: Supra Question From Downunder
Summary: No this is not a recorded message
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:25:46 GMT

	Hi there all you people out there in datacomm land I've got some 
questions about (Yep you guessed it) Supra's 14.4K Modems..

	1.. I remember seeing this some where, but whats the story with
there ROM Upgrades? DO I have to pay for the new one or are they being
nice and giving them away (*I've only got 1.00c)

	2.. Got a friend who Just got a new one with the 1.20 ROMS and
there are a few undocumented Commands (Hmmm). I'm not going to list them all
cause I'm sure Some one already has. Can some one forward me any replys??

	Generally I'd like any important Info that we've missed down here
in OZ about the new ROMS and stuff.. (Sorry U would have read it myself,
but My University Hates there Students Have Fun.. :(

	Hope Some one can Help.....

cheers

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: hpesonen@vipunen.hut.fi (Harri P Pesonen)
Subject: Re: Term 2.3 still has problems...
Reply-To: hpesonen@vipunen.hut.fi (Harri P Pesonen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:54:46 GMT

In article <olsen.1621@sourcery.mxm.sub.org> olsen@sourcery.mxm.sub.org (Olaf Barthel) writes:
>
>   Believe it or not, but it was a very, very tough job to create the new
>character snapping routines. When we (Martin Berndt and me) finally thought
>that they would work correctly, they just didn't (we tried roughly sixteen
>or twenty different approaches to the problem). The solution we ended up
>with eventually was tested with MungWall and Enforcer on the A3000 and on
>the A500+ as well. Everything would work fine.

Maybe a stupid question: would it not have been possible to simply use a
standard console window?  ConClip takes care of clipping and the console
window does a smart character based refresh.  I can think at least one reason
you haven't done this: text output is much faster with Text() than with
Write().
-- 
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From: Roger_Martensson@p3.f607.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Roger Martensson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 22:39:32 +0000
Reply-To: Roger_Martensson@p3.f607.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Roger Martensson)
Distribution: world
Organization: The Third Point, Mellansel, Sweden 
OD-Comment-To: Tommy_The_King

In a message (written 25-Aug-92, 17:41:00) to Tommy The King you wrote:


 TTK> In article <kehlet.06hg@kehlet.adsp.sub.org>,
 TTK> kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet) writes:
 >> In article <1992Aug21.013325.8441@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
 >> coup@crs.cl.msu.edu (Chris Klaus) writes:



 >>> I am getting a SupraFax 14.4K baud modem. But I use to have an HST.
 >>> From one source, Ive heard that HST was faster than SupraFax's
 >>> protocal.  Like SupraFax would get only 1600 cps transfering the same
 >>> file as HST at 1800 cps.  Is there any validity to that statement?
 >>> Which is faster?  I would think they were the same.
 >> The HST standard uses a backtalk channel at only 450 bps, when
 >> Supra/TwinCom etc.  uses a full-blown backtalk on 14,400 bps, so
 >> consider
 >> HST the slowest...

 TTK> ...ehh...are all of you just stupid or what? the latest hsts run in
 TTK> 16800 baud and v.32bis runs in 14400 baud.. end of discussion...

In both ways, 16800 <-> 16800?
V32" runs 14.400 <-> 14.400, but the 'older' HST did run at 14.400 <-> 450.

V32" runs at full duplex, but not the HST protocol.

/Rm - InterNet: Roger_Martensson@p3.f607.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: The cause for Term problems? (was Re: Term 2.3 still has problems...)
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:06:40 GMT

dwdyer@polari.online.com writes:
: [most of list deleted]
: >   19 Toolmanager        0   12:44:33    0:00:03.620   0.3%   4096    254
: 
: This is the only one we have in common that is of the suspicious type.  I've
: had problems with Toolmanager before, and I'm about to check it out and see
: if it is the troublemaker.  If it is, I'm going back to SteveX's ToolsX

EEK!!!  (sniff)  I've had both JM 1.1b and ToolManager for a while,
and have depended on them.  I've never been able to find a ps command
that rivaled JM's, and ToolManager's always been extremely useful.
I've already dumped JM.  I hope I don't have to dump ToolManager...

Greg

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From: swinokur@cellar.org (Steve Winokur)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Are the Supra 14.4K modems working yet?
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:56:24 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton) writes:

> Speaking of Supra, does anyone have their BBS number? Last time I called
> them voice, they couldn't look up my registration information
> (specifically shipping address for new ROMs.) but said that I could call
> their BBS and find out.. Pretty idiotic, IMHO.
> 

Sure, 1-503-967-2444

-steve

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From: olsen@sourcery.mxm.sub.org (Olaf Barthel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Term 2.3 still has problems...
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:40:54 CED
Organization: MXM Barthel & Paesler

In article <1992Aug28.185446.22878@nntp.hut.fi> hpesonen@vipunen.hut.fi (Harri P Pesonen) writes:
> Maybe a stupid question: would it not have been possible to simply use a
> standard console window?  ConClip takes care of clipping and the console
> window does a smart character based refresh.

   I could have done so, but would have ended up with an NComm-like terminal
program. As it is, the terminal emulation provided by console.device does
not support a bunch of VT102 commands, some commands (e.g. erase in line,
insert line, delete line) don't support multiple lines, etc. With just
console.device `term' wouldn't stand much of `vttest'. It still isn't perfect
yet, but I claim to say that it's still better.

> I can think at least one reason
> you haven't done this: text output is much faster with Text() than with
> Write().

   I probably wouldn't have used Write() (too much overhead, indeed) but
device-level IO :-)

> Harri Pesonen, Helsinki, Finland, Europe?

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From: dale@ntg.com (Dale Luck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: X-terminal program for Amiga?
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:51:05 GMT
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA

In article <1992Aug25.222115.10327@news.cs.indiana.edu> ekolar@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Erik S. Kolar) writes:
>Is there a program that provides X-windows terminal emulation for the Amiga?  I
>don't have Unix, just AmigaDOS.  I would like to call up one of the school's 
>Sparc stations and use the X enviroment.

There is a commercial one called X11 for the Amiga from GfxBase, Inc.
It is a full implementation (mono and color) of X11R4 running under
standard graphics with support for blitter/sprite-cursor/sockets/tcpip.
For more information email back with a postal address and we'll send
out some literature. There is a 20% discount off the list price for
students/universities.

Dale Luck
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From: paulk@terapin.com (Paul Kienitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: cancel <paulk.1cfs@terapin.com>
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:43:59 PST
Organization: BBS

I don't know if this hand-entered cancel message will work or not...
From: Tony-Preston@cup.portal.com (ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: BaudBandit 1.40
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 92 10:22:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I obtained a copy from Portal(commercial system) and have it on 
my BBS (609-953-8159).  I have not tested it yet, but the old
version worked with all my terminal programs.  It did not however
work with the Citadel BBS.  Not sure why.
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: JRComm???
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:10:35 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

keithc@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Keith Christopher) writes:

>his copy if 1.02 (Jr-Comm) and fell in love with it. But I was looking for a 
>2.04 ver. (which I discovered is in beta stage.) I have been using -> 
>Online!Plat for my transfers but found that @ high speeds it gives 950CPS 
>at 14.4.!!! I've heard wonderful thingsa about JRComm and want to see it I
> could beta test.

 I'm all filled up with beta testers, thanks for asking though.

  -jack-
From: rwm@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca (Russell McOrmond)
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:41:50 EST
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
	<kehlet.06hg@kehlet.adsp.sub.org>

In article <1992Aug25.174145.13257@corax.udac.uu.se> tommyi@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Tommy The King) writes:
>...ehh...are all of you just stupid or what? the latest hsts run in 16800
>baud and v.32bis runs in 14400 baud.. end of discussion...

  Well, using a supposedly 'publicly documented' extension on V.32Bis, 
the ZyXEL U-modem series modems will do that *IN-BOTH-DIRECTIONS* in the
current 'in-test' versions of the ROM (Available within the month to the
general public).

  Any manufacturerwho wishes(And makes a modem capable of it) can add this 
extension, unlike HST which is an expensive-to-licence, uni-directional 
protocol only available currently from USR.

  Face it, with the advancements in echo-cancellation based modems,
uni-directinal carrier protocols like HST(USR) and Express96 (Hayes)
aren't worth looking into now that high-speed standards exist.  
Besides, if something goes wrong with your modem (Or manufacturer) you can
move to another modem to 'upgrade' without loosing any features.  All
those 'CSP' customers probably wish that they all had V.32/V.32Bis modems 
so that they could talk to more modems.

  Yes, USR is going to be able to kludge additions to their HST faster than
it takes to add enhancements to a standard like V.32Bis, but that just makes
the V standards more stable with more thought put into them by more
experts in the field.  USR is just 'one' group of modem experts, not 'all'
of them.


borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Borge Noest) writes:
>So, if I come up with a cool bidirectional XPR implementation tomorrow,
>you'd still claim that HST is faster for those who wants to _both_ upload
>and download? (Ratios usually forces you to do that from time to time :-)

  It's not as far off for certain people as you might think.  I can't give
specific dates, but I do know that this discussion will be moot within the
year ;-)

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From: rcbi110@muvms3.bitnet (R. ALAN MONROE)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: VLT Download troubles.
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:56:08 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

I'm having trouble getting programs to my Amiga from this vax.  A friend of
mine can get files through his computer at work, but we've both tried using
kermit to send a file to our Amigas with no luck.  When at the FTP site, I type 
BINARY and then GET <filename>.  Then, I go to Kermit and type SEND <filename>
and I recieve a file by the at name on my Amiga at the right size, but it
doesn't work.  I've tried this with .lzh, .dms, and maybe even .lha files, and
I can't even uncompress them (I get CRC errors with both LhA and DMS.)  I'm
using VLT v5.517.

Thanks,

     Tony
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Borge Noest)
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:02:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.174145.13257@corax.udac.uu.se> tommyi@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Tommy The King) writes:
>...ehh...are all of you just stupid or what? the latest hsts run in 16800
>baud and v.32bis runs in 14400 baud.. end of discussion...

So, if I come up with a cool bidirectional XPR implementation tomorrow,
you'd still claim that HST is faster for those who wants to _both_ upload
and download? (Ratios usually forces you to do that from time to time :-)



(And no, I'm not even close to doing any programming on this)
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