From: rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell)
Subject: Re: no more images in rec.roller-coaster
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:38:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.211511.9199@pmafire.inel.gov> geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen) writes:

>rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell) writes:
>
>>From the tones of the original posters comments, it's not the site that
>>has the problem with it, it is the subscriber -- at least, that's the
>>impression I got from it.
>
>The original poster's problem was financial.  Thorsten is in Germany. 
>He makes (and pays for) a call to England to get rec.roller-coaster.  If
>a bunch of images are posted, it costs him money *before* he even knows
>what they are. 
>
>Those of us at big sites with direct leased-line connections to the
>internet don't realize that some people really do pay of every character
>we type!

Yeah, after we exchanged mail, that finally became apparent...

>>I, too, am waiting for this... but this goes off to my previous post of
>>"splitting the group to avoid issues like this from coming up" -- as of
>>today, I have received NO response on it; email or otherwise.
>
>Well, there's *no way* you'd ever get a rec.roller-coaster.pictures
>group to pass.  That's a pretty safe bet.
>
>You could always create alt.binaries.pictures.coasters, but anyone could
>get that could also get alt.binaries.pictures.misc, so there's nothing
>gained there. 

Except for the ridiculous amount of traffic there.  Even if you read the
group regularly, it can get pretty out-of-hand and have several hundred
new messages in less than a day...

I would tend to agree, however, that it would be pretty unlikely to get
a new group to pass -- although it does seem like a good idea to me, and
a few other people...

>>>in any case, it appears that images are not welcome in rec.roller-coaster.
>>>from now on, i will post images only to alt.binaries.pictures.misc, and
>>>post a pointer to each image in rec.roller-coaster.  does that meet
>>>with everyone's approval?
>>
>>My vote:  NO.
>
>I vote YES.  For those of us who get everything, it's no big deal to hop
>over to alt.binaries.pictures.misc and snag the image.  And we don't
>make those paying big bucks to get rec.roller-coaster pay for things
>they may or may not want or be able to afford.

Yes, very good opposition, I must say... but all of those people with
limited newsfeeds are henceforth cut off -- and it surely seems that
there are more of us in that boat, suffering with limited feeds.

>Note that he *likes* the idea of images, but can't afford to have
>rec.roller-coaster be that busy.  Do we want to make users like Thorsten
>give up reading rec.roller-coaster because they can't afford it?
>
>Something to think about....

Again, some good comments...


OK:   BETTER IDEA...

	If we were to cut off Germany/England from the newsfeed for
BINARIES ONLY.  That is, set the "Distribution:" line to "USA" or
something... most of the sites here in the US are local enough to each
other that they won't be bothered by that occassional big feed -- and
Thorsten wouldn't have to worry about big phone bills from a series of
60k UUE's coming down the pipe.

	What do you think about that idea?  Worthwhile?

RiViT
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