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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Research Institute in Malaysia(ASEAN)-A proposal
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 17 Apr 92 23:08:25 +1200
Distribution: soc
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

In article <1992Apr17.022104.11207@husc3.harvard.edu> tloh@husc8.harvard.edu (Teck Loh) writes:

>1. Where should we built this institute?
>2. Who is going to invest and what is the budget?
>3. How do we share the fruits of the research?

FYI, there are research centres already present in Malaysia.  
Take  for example the RRI (Rubber Research Institute).  Also, 
the universities in Malaysia are doing research.  One product 
of their research that has directly benefit Malaysians 
(especially overseas students).  This product is santan powder.

>I have no intention of insulting the institutions in Malaysia or ASEAN. What 
>I wanted to see is the possibility of a MalaysiAN or ASEAN winning a NOBEL
>prize.                                                               ^^^^^
 ^^^^^
The Burmist politician who was placed under house arrest (can't 
remember her name) after winning the elections won the Nobel 
Peace prize.  Although this is not a science award, it is still 
a Nobel prize.  Would have been nicer if a malaysian had won a 
Nobel prize :-).

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
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"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@stargate.elec.canterbury.ac.nz


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: Zam Threatened In Kelantan!!!
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:10:15 GMT

In article <s3cseINNrbh@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu writes:
>
>From: AKT4423@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU (ATAN, PANGLIMA BONGSU TANAHAIR)
>
>Jus wondering...what y'all think the punishment should be for yelling out
>expletives in Kelantan...if the proposed laws comes in effect???
>
>Cutting of the tongue?? Castration??
>
>I vote for both.
>
>    Geez, then Zam would be *really* DUMB as well as devoid of....


	You'll have to excuse Mr. Anonymous here. He has a rather
nasty sexual dysfunction (which he likes to deny) that prevents him
from ever fathering children, and he wants everyone to be just like
him.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Asian Development Bank growth projections
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 15:12:12 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)


    Reuter, Manila, April 10 - The Asian Development Bank (ADB) gave the
following projections for growth in real gross domestic product (GDP)
and inflation for 1992 and 1993 (in pct):

                              GDP             Inflation
                       1991  1992  1993    1991  1992  1993
   NICs                 7.3   7.1   7.1     7.7   7.2   6.6
 Hong Kong              4.0   5.8   6.0    12.3  10.5   8.5
 South Korea            8.3   7.3   7.1     9.7   9.4   8.5
 Singapore              7.0   6.1   7.0     3.4   3.0   3.0
 Taiwan                 7.3   7.5   7.7     3.5   3.4   3.7

                               GDP             Inflation
                       1991  1992  1993    1991  1992  1993
 North Asia             7.0   7.8   7.5     3.0   7.0   6.0
  China                 7.0   7.8   7.5     3.0   7.0   6.0
  Mongolia            -18.0  -6.0  -1.5   130.0  50.0  30.0

                               GDP             Inflation
                        1991  1992  1993    1991  1992  1993
Southeast Asia           5.9   6.7   7.1     8.8   8.1   7.1
   Burma                 3.7   4.0   4.1    28.7  26.0  25.0
   Indonesia             6.4   6.7   7.0     9.2   9.0   8.0
   Laos                  4.0   7.1   5.9    10.4   9.5   9.0
   Malaysia              8.6   8.5   8.0     4.5   5.0   5.0
   Philippines          -1.0   2.8   4.3    17.7  13.0   9.0
   Thailand              7.5   8.0   8.1     5.8   6.0   6.0
   Vietnam               3.8   5.0   4.5    78.9  45.0  20.0

                                GDP             Inflation
                         1991  1992  1993    1991  1992  1993
 South Asia               2.7   4.6   5.0    14.6   8.9   8.3
   Bangladesh             3.3   4.7   5.2     7.4   9.1   9.2
   Bhutan                 3.5   4.0   4.6    11.5  10.5  10.0
   India                  2.0   4.3   4.8    14.4   7.5   7.0
   Nepal                  4.0   3.5   4.0    15.4  16.0  12.0
   Pakistan               6.5   6.7   7.2    12.2   8.0   7.0
   Sri Lanka              5.0   5.9   5.6    12.0  11.0  10.0
From: zlim@bnr.ca (Zack Lim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: singaporean's "we" dilemma
Keywords: we
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:35:46 GMT
Reply-To: zlim@bnr.ca (Zack Lim)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.


|> In article <1992Apr9.201912.8247@leland.Stanford.EDU>, yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee) writes:
|> 
|> > you S'poreans out there :  ARE "WE" S'POREANS PROUD OF OUR COUNTRY, despite all
|> > its limitations and policies?  Let me be the first to answer that :"Yes"
|> 

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
If reservist is abolish (dreaming...), You can bet I will be the first guy
to catch the first plane home.
From: omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Zam's TRUE color
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:57:35 GMT
Reply-To: omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: omega@happy.cc.utexas.edu

From: omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject:
Expires:
References:
Summary: 
Reply-To: omega@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu ()
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Keywords: 

---Zam---THE HYPOCRITE-------------------------------------------------
[when refering to some guy from NUS's comment]

>	You just insulted the whole African-American people with that
>remark.  While you are at it, why don't you just call them N*g&%r?

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah RIGHT! and YOU ARE THE ONE WHO CALLS OTHERS "CHINK" when your 
dim witted mind can't reason logically, or are you suffering from
amnesia ????? Talking about being hypocritical. I can understand an
honest mistake, but you are one certifiable RACIST, SLIMY SCUM BACK, 
SON OF A SWINE. How's that for you average joe!
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 14 Apr 1992 19:34:52 MST
From: C. K. Ng <ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: The issue of selection bias: an academic-economics perspective

Dear S.C.A. readers,

   When I said there was a selection bias inherent in the Malaysian
Chinese SPM/MCE graduates who make it to MU after their STPM and those
who have the opportunity of going overseas for undergraduate education
without going thru STMP, I am referring to Professor G. Akerlof's
paper, 1970, "Quarterly Journal of Economics", pp 488-500.  For those
of you who are economics graduate students, you should have read and under-
stood what do I mean here.  As for the others of you, I shall try to
explain it if such demand arises in the future in terms of the number of
responses I receive after this posting.  Professor Akerlof uses the used
cars market to make his point, but similar analysis can be applied to
numerous other cases, e.g., the fixed insurance premium set by the
depository insurance corporation on the commercial banks of this
country if no federal regulations which demand such insurance.
And for those economics graduate students, and graduates, I still think
that the lemons problem as professed by Akerlof is closely related to
the adverse selection problem which in combination the lemons problem
result in the so-called moral hazard problem as manifested by Charles
Keating Jr.'s case of frauds in the S&L industry in this country.

   Sorry if I've bored the rest of you.

Sincerely,
   **  Chee-Keong Ng, Ph.D.  **
   "Lemons problem = the bad guys are driving the good guys away under
                     same pricing structure."
From: amir@bigbird.bu.edu (Amir Samad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Zam Again!
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:09:24 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Apr12.171032.11421@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr10.183351.10937@husc3.harvard.edu> tloh@husc8.harvard.edu (Teck Loh) writes:
[deleted]
|> 
|> >Maybe it is time to take on him and debate on him so that he will not be
|> >able to misled others. Luckily, I have many malay friends that are not like
|> >him.
|> 
|> 	We have several of those "Malays" out here too.  They come
|> from rich families and only mingle with the Chinese.  Anyone in Boston
|> want to take a guess?

Yes! Yes! I'm in Boston and I want to take a guess. Hmmm.... let's see....
I know most of the Malaysians here... but nobody seems to come to mind.

Tell you what, why don't you start by mentioning a few names... you have
nothing to lose at this point anyway. I'm really curious to know who these
people are.

|> 
|> ===------ 
|> NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
|> The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
|> promised to take our land and they took it.
|>                                                         Red Cloud

Amir Samad
Boston University
From: Moey Wai Sin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Mohktar, Arunmugam
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:44:21 GMT


  > I thought football in Malaysia bind us together.  I was sadden
  > by the news of the deaths of Moktar Dahari (sp ??) and goalkeeper
  > Arunmugam (sp ??).

WHAT?  When did this happen ! Can someone give more information please.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: chansze@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu (CHAN  Sze Keong)
Subject: Re: MRT in K.L
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:39:46 GMT

In article <54759@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD) writes:
>Dear friends,
>	I'm sure a lot of us know that the MRT project in K.L is currently
>undergoing some complicated problems.  Let us disregard that fact for a 
>brief moment and proceed discussing the idea.  
>	From what I understand, the MRT is supposedly to reduce the traffic
>problem due to the ever increasing number of automobiles in K.L and its'
> .... and so on ...

hi, let me say that an efficient transport system is a good idea 
    for a growing city like KL. like any other good ideas they have 
    to be thought out carefully. here's a couple of points to consider:

1) there are alternatives other than mrt for eg. bus, trams and 
   monorail (actually what happen to this project ??).  in sweden
   the trams don't have to stop at red lights. do you think this
   will work in KL ??
2) feasibility is important (can you dig under KL ?? i recall rumours
   that KL is sinking !! can the tunnels be flooded during heavy rains ?? ).
3) it will be a long term investment , i guess bandaraya and malaysian
   govt has to be involved. certain ideas can pull in private investment
   like underground shopping surrounding the mrt, advertising in mrt 
   (here in toronto, kids have been stealing some of the nice adverts from
   the subway trains, talk about effective advertisments !!) ..etc
4) a trial system can be setup. i recall they (?) were planning to 
   build something from putra world trade to sungai wang plaza.
5) prices should be competitive. i mean what can beat a ride on the
   mini busses :-)

there are probably many more points to consider but i don't have
a phd in econ. or buss. and i have to get back to my studies!

dennis 
BLUE JAYS the 92 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS !!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: Personal Experience of Racism
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:54:10 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.031320.4553@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>Firdaus says,

>>>The thing that bugs me was the reply we got from JPA.  They said, there
>>>is no need to recognise Lincoln's degree because there are no Malays
>>>studying there.  JPA's recognition is only necessary for govt.'s
>>>jobs and the non-Malays there WOULDN'T GET A CHANCE TO WORK FOR
>>>THE GOVT. ANYWAY.  What is this crap?
>
>>did these guys actually say that you wouldn't get a chance to work for the
>>gov? geez. that's bad. is there a possibility that it was just a personal
>                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>opinion? 
> ^^^^^^^
>I quoted the "official" reply letter we got.
>
>>i have never heard of so much crap saying that non malays can't work
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>for the gov. 
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>Neither have I until I read the letter.  Gosh, where is our society 
>heading to?


	I believe, there are some new-bloods in the Department who
believe that the way to fighting discriminations by the Chinese
businesses on the Malays is by discriminating the Chinese WRT the
government's jobs.  It is a perfectly sensible countermeasure to fight
discriminatory practises by the Chinese businessmen.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
From: fitch@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Chris the wonder Scout)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.filipino,soc.culture.misc,soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Palau, the United States, and the nuclear question
Summary: discussion or available research material?
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:17:32 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

I am a senior history major at Colorado State University.  I am working on
a research paper dealing with Palau/U.S. relations, the nuclear problems, and
ethnic tensions created by this disagreement.  Does anyone know anything
about this, either to start a discussion or to help me find research
material for this project?

Thanks a lot,
Chris Fitch
From: gt6737b@prism.gatech.EDU (JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: To ZAM
Keywords: your beloved sultan
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:59:56 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Dear Zam,
       Are you sure you are at MIT?  If you want to start calling names at me
sir, I'm sorry I can't join you.  It's bad enough having to know that some non-
malays are saying that the malays are dumb, you certainly doesn't seem like 
helping you own race. 
	I know that to you, your sultan did the honorable thing and I'm
sure pretty much in line with the British royal families.  Unfortunately,
I do not approve of such actions and to me, he was acting out of sheer 
ignorance and arrogance.  All of which are fundamentally wrong according to
my understanding of my religion( obviously may differ from state to state).
	Personally sir, I do not care about any royal families.  Since you
obviously care about the royals of Britain, may I ask you, isn't it true that
there are some voices in Britain wanting to put an end to the 800 year old
traditon?  Has the British royal family even been criticized because of their
lavish spending?  Since we ought to follow the British, if the eliminate their
monarchy system, shouldn't we do the same?
	Lastly dear Zam, I do wish that you think before you write.  You do not
have to recycle if you don't want to but please sir, use your precious brain.
I'm not saying that you are dumb or anything(that will reflect itself) sir but 
just a reminder, from one fellow malaysian to another. 
 
Sincerely,
EME.

P/s:  Email me personally next time, sir.  I would appreciate it thank you.

-- 
JAAFAR,EMERIZAL AHMAD
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6737b
Internet: gt6737b@prism.gatech.edu
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:15:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr8.201527.23758
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <92098.231232MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu> <MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>he has to learn like any other malaysians big or small that malaysia
>is a whole package. you cannot just open the box and take whatever you
>like. it is the whole box or nothing at all. as a malay, i have
>respect for a ruler if and only if he is just and has proven worthy of
>my respect. if he really loves his people, then he will pay up his
>taxes. this money can be used for many things.  $2.1 million can pay
>for a lot of new books for schools, medical supplies for the rural
>areas and small developments in kelantan itself.


	Let's get something straight here: the $2.1m will not go to
the state government, but to the federal's.  Given the federal
government's refusal to finance some of the Kelantan state projects
since PAS/Semangat 46 took power, there is no reason to believe that
the state government will see any of the $2.1m.  

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud
From: ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Zam Threatened In Kelantan!!!
Date: 10 Apr 1992 06:33:50 GMT
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From: AKT4423@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU (ATAN, PANGLIMA BONGSU TANAHAIR)

Jus wondering...what y'all think the punishment should be for yelling out
expletives in Kelantan...if the proposed laws comes in effect???

Cutting of the tongue?? Castration??

I vote for both.

    Geez, then Zam would be *really* DUMB as well as devoid of....


- sulyn
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Reply-To: tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 19:12:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.183322.14231@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.032908.8818@news.iastate.edu> tabk2@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Apr9.234009.21417@athena.mit.edu>, zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif) writes:
>>
>>>	Do you know why people like Adolf Hitler exist?  Precisely
>>>because there is a need to get rid of people like you from the face of
>>>this earth.
>
>>I wonder what would the Jews think of Mr Zam? I hope that you are not
>>condoning to what Hitler did....but boy, you sure sound as if you
>>do.....
>
>	I never condone what Hitler did to the Jews.  I was just
>making a point that a scum like you would be better off not living in
>Malaysia.  You just clutter up the much-needed space for someone
>else...

thank god i'm not living in malaysia, otherwise i would have to be around
people like you. i hope that not everyone in malaysia is like you.

if you don't condone to what he's doing, then don't use him as an
example.Hitler is a murderer in the eyes of the world. who are you gonna use
next ? Mr Jeffery Dalmer,? come on Mr Zam, you have to be smarter than that, or
are you?

if hitler was around, then you'd be the one who'd be exterminated. He was an
Aryan, not a Malay, remember?

>
>>What might we have here? Another Hitler perhaps?

Definitely! but just a weenie version...........hahaha...

>
>>>===------ 
>>>NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 (maybe a Nazi)
>
>>tabk2@isuvax.bitnet (definitely a Nazi)

calling me a nazi? you definitely don't know what you're talking about......

tabk2@isuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Subject: Re: To speak or not to speak (perfect BM).
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:22:20 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.193223.4633@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
>Here is an extract from Zam's article,
>
>>	Kerajaan pusat tidak mempunyai banyak projek-projek di
>>Kelantan, dan dalam setengah-setengah kes, tidak mahu membiayai projek
>>di Kelantan kerana masalah yang dihadapi oleh kerajaan Pusat dengan
>>parti pembangkang di Kelantan.  Cukai tersebut, in all likelihood,
>                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>akan disalurkan di tempat-tempat seperti Kuala Lumpur, dan Seremban,
>>daripada bandar-bandar di Kelantan.  Kenapa mesti duit YM Sultan
>>Kelantan digunakan untuk membangunkan bandar-bandar yang bangsa Cina
>>adalah majoriti ditempat-tempat tersebut.  Saudari juga tahu yang
>>lebih banyak duit kerajaan pusat pergi ke KL daripada Kota Bharu, dan
>>dalam kes ini, benda yang sama akan berlaku.  Oleh sebab ini, saya
>>sebagai Rakyat Kelantan, tidak mempunyai apa-apa masalah pun dengan
>>perlakuan YM Sultan Ismail Petra dalam perkara diatas.
>                                                ^^^^^^
>
>This is from a person who advocates that one should speak "perfect BM".
>A person who doesn't speak perfect BM should be stripped off his/her
>Malaysian citizenship.  So I guess Zam should be stripped of his
>citizenship.  Further, he claims that he is "sickened" by people
>who do not speak perfect BM.  He must one really sick guy because 
>he has to be sick of himself of life.
>
>"Cukai tersebut, in all likelyhood, ..." - perfect BM.  This I will remember 
>for life.
>
>Zam, go to Indonesia.

	I will as a tourist later on in my life.  But could you and
your ilks do us a favor and migrate to PRC or HongKong?  Over there,
you will feel right at home, and you don't have to learn how to deal
with the natives anymore...  Best of all, you don't have to give any
more excuses for your inability to speak perfect BM.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud