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From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: Texas
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:38:19 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>But Texas has some nice things about it. Did you all take Texas
>history in eighth grade, like we did?

Y'know, Nelson, I was in college before I realized that not everyone
had to take Texas History?  :)

>There's a saying from somewhere, "It's hard to be humble when you are
>from Texas."

I'm still president, I suppose, of the currently dormant chapter of
Texans at Chicago.  The front of our long-sleeved T-shirt shows a
cartoon assortment of Chicago and U of C character types, surrounding
an armadillo; the back says simply "Who'd'a thunk it?"

Apropos of nothing, but suddenly homesick,
--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
From: mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How evil are the Republicans?
Date: 24 Aug 92 20:31:56 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.


My poor, feeble little mind...  It did *completely* forget about
this string.  How kind of JA to remind me...  And what, to my glee,
should I find but a missive from Madmoiselle du West Hollywood.

Oh, goody, goody, goody...

In article <l9aoatINN5r2@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
wrote:

 
> In article <71493@apple.Apple.COM> 
> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon), a sweet little
> boy whose grasp of the language is not quite what
> one would wish, writes:

[mmm's and hmmm's]

> > And while I agree with Quayle's attack on the 'Cultural Elite' 

[What's this!?!?  Some wit!?]
 
> Somehow I just *knew* you would, which makes me wonder just how
> many Queer Nation meetings you've been to that you know what
> kind of snaps I meant.

Mon Dieux!!

This is all so *tame*!

How very clever of you, Mdme., to leave nothing to bite.  A few well
placed Mmmmm's and hmmm's; and, when the spirit moves you, a little burble 
of wit here, a gurgle there.  To whit, 'Cultural Elite.'  Why, you're
even involved in *academics*!  What profession more noble can be found?
What better avenue for lofty discourse on the failings of others?


"I say, Mdme. du WH, what *are* the little people doing today, do you
think?"

"Isn't it obvious?  I mean, *really* obvious?  Lost in their flights
of fancy and amusement, they are blinding themselves to the crushing
realities of life.  Yes, sad but true.  Were only they as gifted of
perception as we...  And what's this *think*, darling.  I do not
think.  I *know*"


Yours *most* humbly,


Matthew Melmon
Apple Computer, Inc.
If my opinions were Apple's, I'd be driving a shiny car 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:15:34 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



/(orr)
/>One of the rules, however, is that you cannot refer to each
/>other using feminine pronouns.  I like that a lot.

/(anderson)
/Well, dude, I think you've established that rules are just
/about your favorite things.  Lemme tell ya, girlfriend (not
/a feminine pronoun, please note), I think you and a lot of
/other crypto-fascists are trying to get us all killed.  And
/I really *hate* that!


Well, lookie here.  One post, just one post.  And it's even
from ANOTHER person, not me.  

What happens?   anderson gets his panties all twisted up.  

Again.



For all you folks who asked for evidence that the motss "Frequent 
Flamers" are a closeminded group of folks, or that they 
consistently overreact
("Trying to get you killed"?  get a grip on reality, anderson),

I submit this post as proof.
---

"crypto-fascists"; sheesh.
How long did it take you to dream that one up?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: Fingernail Polish (was Re: The Silent Majority (was: oth
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 07:12:33 GMT

In <14606@mindlink.bc.ca> Laura_Halliday@mindlink.bc.ca (Laura Halliday) writes:

>my favorite way of doing my nails has nothing to do with seasons, fashions, or
>anything else - i like to do my index fingers red, and the rest black.

>confuses hell out of people who attempt to ascribe mystic significance to what
>was originally me picking up the wrong bottle after being distracted...

>...laura

I usually just paint the little finger on my left hand black (no, not
the *whole finger - just the nail.)  I also have let it grow much
longer than the rest (it's about 2 cm long now.)

I frequently get one of four assumptions about the significance of this:

	1) I do coccaine.
	2) I'm into S&M.
	3) I'm a Wiccan.
	4) I hit my finger with something heavy.

None of the above are true (well, maybe #2 - but just a bit.)  It is
merely an aesthetic choice.  

-- 
---------------------------------+-------------------------------------
 My opinions are my own.         |  You can't be proud of who you are
 The truth belongs to everyone.  |  if you're ashamed of what you are.
 Civil Rights Are For Queers!    |  Cruise Men, Not Missiles! - anon
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Multi-Index Characterization (Re: your sexuality as an organism)
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:27:23 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK


In article <1992Sep3.043007.9290@reed.edu>,
nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

> (*) I almost wrote "practize" as a joke on British spellings, but it
> looked dumb. Then I looked it up, and found that "practice" and
> "practise" are both acceptable. ARGH.

`Practice' is the noun;  `practise' is the verb.
Like advice/advise and licence/license.

--John
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Republican Convention, Houston, 1992
Date: 23 Aug 92 20:55:59 GMT
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble

I happened to buy the English newspaper _The Independent_ last Friday,
and saw there one of the most peculiar photos I can ever remember
encountering.  It was of a group of about 10 people at the Republican
Convention wearing Dan Quayle masks.  "In support of the
vice-president", according to the caption.

My reaction was indescribable.

,
Eamonn
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rich@island.COM (Rich Fanning)
Subject: Re: Mpls./St Paul (was: Just please shoot me :))
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:18:58 GMT

cc0001@medtronic.COM (Christopher Carriero) writes:

>Unfortunately, I know nothing about Rochester, MN, but do know 
>quite a bit about the Twin Cities.

I grew up in Rochester, moved to college at the U of M in Minneapolis
in the mid-70's, and lived there until 1988.  I would characterize Mpls
as being fairly gay-friendly (and perhaps getting more so since I moved
away) but I would not characterize Rochester that way.

Rochester is a unique little place.  When I was growing up there in the
60's, it was one of the biggest little towns you could ever find.  The
population was about 50,000, but to me it had more of a small-town
atmosphere.  When I got to be a teenager, I found that there was very
little to do there. I occasionally visit my family there, and since then
it has grown some (to 70,000).

But I do not see much evidence of it being a gay-friendly place.  There are
no gay bars. I'm sure there are places where one can find other gay people,
but this is on the order of "Friday nights at XXX, sometimes".  I picked up
a Damron guide a couple of weeks ago and found some of the information
amusing.  For example, there are a couple of "cruisy" areas, but they are all
"at your own risk".  In summary, I don't see a visible gay culture there
at all.

And in sharp contrast to the liberalism of Minneapolis, Rochesterites are
much more conservative.  Many people who live in various small towns
around Rochester work there.  It is my experience that these people are among
the most conservative.  The two largest employers in the city are the Mayo
Clinic and IBM.  This creates a large group of well-educated, white-collar
workers.

I wear my hair long these days, and usually wear a couple of earrings
(and they are not discreet little studs).  On more than one occasion while
visiting my family, people have stared at me in public.  I don't expect
every place to be like Berkeley, but Rochesterites all look so *homogenous*
after living elsewhere.

I'm sure, if you were to move there, you could find other gay people for
friendship.  But I think it might take a bit of work.


-- 

     Rich Fanning       {sun,uunet}!island!rich
			    rich@island.COM
From: sfsmith@pennsas.upenn.edu (Sandy F. Smith, Jr.)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Labor Day Weekend Trip Tip
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:10:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania




Labor Day approaches, and with it the unofficial end of summer.  Many of you,
no doubt, will celebrate the weekend in the approved fashion, by hitting the
beach.  Which probably means, if you live in the area between Philadelphia
and Washington, that you and your friends will be crawling towards Rehoboth
Beach, Delaware, this Friday.

This Labor Day, why not try a change of pace that's sure to put a spark in not
only your weekend, but your neighbors' as well.

The tranquil resort community of Bethany Beach is a mere 10 miles further
south of Rehoboth on Route 1.  It's a fairly classy place where a handful of
Washington notables spend the summer.

Among them is Pat Buchannan and his wife.  And although you couldn't use his
place when he's not there, we're sure you'd be welcome as next-door neighbors.
After all, the unofficial motto up and down the Delaware coast is "We're glad
you're here!"

As neighbors of the Buchanans for a weekend, you would be able to show them
the same hospitality that has earned Pat his reputation for charm.  While
the list of possibilities is limited only by your imagination, activities
such as those listed below would surely set the proper tone for a wonderful
weekend:

*Theme dance party*.  Suggested theme: "Tomorrow Belongs to Me."  Dress:
Brown shirts, black slacks.

*"Sex on the Beach"* (or, in this case perhaps, in the back yard, or on the
deck).  Invite your friends over for a hot 'n' horny evening of _safe_ sex
under the stars.  Be sure to use condoms -- and feel free to toss them into
the yard next door.

*Home videos* -- everybody loves 'em!  Again, an ideal _al fresco_ event --
just like those folks in Washington did with the Mapplethorpe photos.  Be
sure to invite your amateur (or, if you're lucky, professional) art-critic
friends to provide running commentary.

*Fashion show*.  Why not introduce your friends and neighbors to the latest
resort wear?  Given how few of them really know which dress to wear for an
evening stroll on the boardwalk, or what leather accessories go best with
bikini briefs, they'll surely thank you.

Of course, these ideas barely scratch the surface; your weekend in Bethany
Beach can be as wild as you want.  So what are you waiting for?  Get on the
phone and call that real estate agent now!

**************************************************************************
Sandy F. Smith, Jr. ____________________________ sfsmith@pennsas.upenn.edu
Graduate Division, School of Arts and Sciences, University of Pennsylvania
16 College Hall, Philadelphia, PA 19104-6378.  (Opinions mine, not Penn's)
 
"The God I serve don't make no trash!"
      -- Rev. Emanuel Cleaver, Mayor, City of Kansas City, Mo.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: EEO Poll... please read
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:32:33 GMT

In article <anny58h@rpi.edu> buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>
>larry@bradley.bradley.edu where are you?? :-)

You should have seen his post within the past few days.

I know of larry's ever expanding and wonderful list...
However, we need hardcopies of the EEO policy along with
contact information of the personnel director for all
companies with or without g/l orientation clauses (this is an
expanded request) so that we can provide the lacking companies
with valuable educational material so that they can enact
compatible programs.  We also need information about the
various benefit policies, about the g/l life in the area
surrounding the corporate offices, candid remarks from area or
corporate people, contact info for contributors (which would
never be released to anyone else), etc.

"FEED ME!"  Please...

Tom
-- 
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Tandon Corporation      tdbear@p6.f1006.n102.z1.fidonet.org fax 805-529-8895
Sr. HW Design Engineer  "War is Peace, No is Yes, And We're All Free!" 
[NOTE:  The feed to tdbear@tandon.com may be interrupted in Sept.  <<<===--]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. Archiver
Reply-To: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 03:19:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.182800.1202@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>Two new head-shots of Arne Adolphson for the motss.pix archive:
>arne_adolphson2.gif and arne_adolphson3.gif, to be found in the
>usual place.

What is the usual place?  

Could someone send me the node name so that I can ftp into my account?

--Ken N.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Guess my age and win a valuable prize!
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:02:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.235720.2341@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.DLH@forsythe.stanford.edu (David Hatt - 5-0083) writes:
>Guys I meet in bars are asking me my age.  I don't get it.  We usually
>exchange names and then it is, "So, how old are you, Dave?" "DOES IT SAY
>'ASK ME MY AGE' ON THE BACK OF MY SHIRT?" I've always told the truth.
>And their jaws drop.  And for enquiring minds, I'm 39 and I look
>younger than that.
>
>Well, cabal and *motss people, what am I not seeing here?

Does this only happen inside bars?  ("She could very well pass for 43 in
the dark with the light behind her...")  :-)

People who are told they look considerably younger than their chronological
age usually don't; that is, not completely.  Instead, the judge is confronted
with a collection of attributes which don't completely jibe.  Rude people
might well ask.

You probably look like an unusually decrepid 25 year old or a very youthful
39 year old.  If you're 25, it's an insult; if you're 39, it's something to
be grateful for, I suppose.  As for me, 39 doesn't sound very old, and I
usually find 39 year olds who look their age much more attractive than 25
year olds.  On average.  I've been known to make exceptions.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Behind the Hate in Oregon"
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:55:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep4.135508.9759
Organization: insert anything here

In article <42378@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:

>side note: Measure 9 will not prevent homosexuals from gathering for
>protest, etc.  What it will do is prevent the issuing of permits, etc.
>for any purpose which can be construed as supporting homosexuals.

	So?

	You also need a permit to havea  group of more than 20 people
(it might be 25) using a park.  In that case, all you've got is
a loophole saying you can protest if your group has 19 people or
less.  At the same time, the OCA could easily bring 2x, 3x, 4x, or
mnore to counteract that.  [I know that a number was listed in the
pamphlet we were given for the Washington Park picnic.]

	Any group of 20 gay people would be dispersed, since 1) they
need a permit, and 2) they are not allowed to have a permit.

	I'm not convinced that the measure doesn't allow for *any*
action to be taken against known homosexuals in a public area.
The text isn't long enough to provide stipulations, and any such
things can be easily challenged by the phobe du jour.

	Has anyone attacked this on $$$ arguments?  Under 9, gays
will pay taxes and not have any use for the benefits their
taxes pay for.  I suppose one could put in a rider given gays an exemption
from taxes since their tax $$$ isn't in any way coming back to them.

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: Re: AB 2601 passes Californian senate
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 11:50:34 GMT

Could someone please post the text of AB 2601 (right number?)?  Thanks!

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 24 Aug 92 00:23:24 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

In article <1992Aug23.030857.17434@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>Actually, no.  You are not all too stupid.  Well, anderson is; but that's
>because he & melinda have to share one brain between them.  

/(nelson)
/Is this alt.flame or soc.motss?


I dunno; ask anderson.  The little flame has been busy lately, doing *more*
than his fair share of the ad hominem stuff.

But then again, maybe ad hominems are okay, provided it's against the
Big Bad Enemy Bob. 



(nelson)
/Nelson, realizing that he really could just make it *all go away* with
/the touch of a key..

Knock yourself out.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: los@coos.dartmouth.edu (Charles Dubuque)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Italian TS in Miss Italy Contest
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:37:40 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Seen on CNN this morning:

A contestant for Miss Italy, who had already won the Miss Legs
competition, was disqualified from competition because she was a
transsexual. She was disqualified yesterday when judges discovered that
she had been born with male reproductive organs. "The rules are very
clear, contestants must have been born female."

----------------------------

Personally, some of the best looking women I know are TS/TV. And they
do have great legs!

However, I still think men have the market cornered on great looking
legs. Give me hair, ripped quads and huge calves any day.

Chuck
ced@dartmouth.edu
los@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: the openness of USENET
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:12:11 GMT

fredh@spdcc.com (Fred Huntington) writes:
>rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>>	BTW --- if any of you are outthere would you do me the
>>favor of COMING OUT TO ME as my supportive (or hostile) friends?
>>[I wonder what I just let myself in for...]

>Um.  I have suspected for more than a year that you were gay.  But I
>support you in whatever you want to do.  

>Fred 
>:-) :-)

	SEE?  We're invisible - even to the people we live with
and sleep with!  :-) :-) :-)  Must be 'cause I'm so "butch".

	Ooooooh ----- I'll get you for this when we get home tonight....!  :-)

	OK - I *wasn't* clear!   What I meant was "if any of my friends to
whom I am NOT out to are reading this and you've figured out that I'm gay,
why don't you let ME know that you know!"

	Is this better?

BBC
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Publicity
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:50:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.42312
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <71917@apple.Apple.COM> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:
>
>>The scary part is the following scenario:
>
>>[1] They back off on the anti-GLB stuff.
>>[2] They attack congress, Clinton, and somehow manage to win the
>>    election.
>>[3] They claim that they have a mandate to be anti-GLB, because it
>>    was in their platform.  (even though it didn't help them win)
>
>Numbers [1] and [2] are almost given a given.  Number [3] is probably
>a bit more paranoia than reality.  People, it's nice to think we're
>fearsome, terror causing monstrosities, but the 'straight' community
>does not spend it's every waking hour worrying about 'them damn
>homosexuals.'  In fact, it couldn't  care less about our existence.


I respectfully suggest, Mr. Melmon, that you quit your cushy job and go
to work for the State of Oregon.  If Measure 9 passes, you will get a 
chance to see first hand exactly how much these people don't give
a damn about your existence.

As I read through the arguments for this measure, I am more and more
convinced that there are some people who are *very* bothered by the
fact that I am on the same planet as them.    That they are attempting
to legislate their minority (as you say) beliefs on all of Oregon is
certainly cause for concern.  That the measure could be used to purge
state government might just be a bit of a concern to LGB's on the
state payroll.

And yes, even though the fonts don't match and the copies are sometimes
poor, I will do my best to get all 9 supporting statements and all 55
opposing statements online in the very near future.

I will grant you that some of the straight community doesn't
particularly care about LGB's, but I will assert that there is a vocal
minority which is using scare tactics to convince the voters (which is
just a subset of society, and a small one at that) that they should
care a great deal.

Noone cares about the majority, it is the minority with the political
clout that one has to be careful of.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.