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From: choi@wk59.nas.nasa.gov (Diana Choi)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: how long to feel back normal after pregnancy?
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:30:08 GMT
Organization: NAS Program, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <mylene.711776752@swanee> mylene@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Mylene Pijpers) writes:
>Some months ago I just walked in the sun and I thought: YEP! I feel
>physically normal again, like I felt before Josanne was born. (Say
>8 months, she is 11 mo. now)

Its been 6 months for me, and I finally feel perfectly normal when walking
and lifting things, though my c-section scar is still pink and has a 
slight burning sensation. 

Please post the responses ....I remember trying to find information about
how long it takes to get back in shape after the birth and not finding any.

For me, (and I think a lot of other women) a lot of feeling physically 
and psychologically normal again has to do with losing that weight. There's
something demoralizing about having a closet full of clothes that you can't 
fit, not to mention having people ask you if you're pregnant AFTER you've had
the baby.

All of the weight hasn't gone yet, though ...still 8-9 lbs more to go, 
which is not bad, since I gained 50.  This is my first baby.  Next time I'll 
try not to get so fat.

I actually haven't done any exercise (i hate exercise) just 4-5 months of 
breast-feeding and eating only when hungry. Besides, when you're not 
getting much sleep, who can exercise?   I lost 23 lbs the first two
weeks after Lea's birth (she weighed 10 lbs), then about a lb a week for
16 weeks (for 14 lbs) after that.  Then it got real slow ...now losing
about a pound every 2-3 weeks...though my sister swears that you never lose
those last 10 lbs.

>- What factors do you think are involved: during pregnancy, maternity 
>  leave, psychological factors, having more children, work before/after
>  birth, the newborn itself, the amount of work you have to do in
>  the house, and how do you think they affected your "extended recovery".

I had 5 months of maternity leave but don't think that mattered.  IMHO 
how well your body bounces back depends on your age (i'm 39), your general 
health, whether you've had a c-section, and how much exercise you do. Feeling 
psychologically normal again?  Never felt really abnormal - though now I 
definitely feel more fulfilled.

diana
From: swk004@muvms3.bitnet (CONNIE LEINEN, SWK004@MARSHALL, HUNTINGTON, WV)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Number for Olympic Officials?
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:04:12 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

Does anyone out there know a fax number, e-mail address or snail-mail
 address for the grand poohbas of Olympic Basketball?  
 
 Personally, I think Charles Barkley is an embarassment to the 
 both his team mates and the United States and I would like very 
 much to register a complaint with someone responsible for his
 inclusion on the team.
 
 This is my 7-year old son's first real exposure to the Olympics.
 I was embarassed that he had to witness such childish behavior
 from a well-paid, professional player who is now representing
 his country at an international sporting event.  
 
 Connie
From: jane@essex.ac.uk (Shelton J)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: REALLY cute things they do (6 yrs)
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:30:26 GMT
Reply-To: jane@essex.ac.uk (Shelton J)
Organization: University of Essex, Colchester, UK

Today is Nicholas' last day with his present teacher.
Yesterday, he announced he would like to give her a
present to say thankyou for teaching him.  Okay, I said,
you think what you want to get her, and we'll go out
to the shops and buy it.

20 minutes later, he came back with a piece of paper and
a pencil and asked me to spell cabbage, then carrots, then
beans, then tomatoes.  I asked him why he needed to know

He said:
"Mrs Baines works really hard teaching us, and then she has
to do her shopping after work.  I'm going to do some shopping
for her and buy her what she needs so she doesn't have to go
out this week when she is tired."

My first reaction was to persuade him otherwise, but then I
changed my mind.  This had come from the heart and it wasn't
right to squash him just because he wasn't being conventional.

So, last night he:
Wrote the list (not an easy task for him, actually)
Walked round the supermarket with the basket
Picked _everything_ out himself
Carried the heavy basket around refusing help
Put it through the checkout
Packed it into a bag.
"Paid" for it (with my pocket money you owe me mummy)

This morning, after a brief word from me that he'd come up
with this all by himself, he gave her a carrier bag full of

Cabbage
Carrots
Apples
Baked Beans
Tomatoes
Chocolate

His teacher, bless her, said all the right things and Nicholas
feels wonderful.

I just feel so proud of him, I could weep

Jane
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:31:01 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <3258@master.CNA.TEK.COM> judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
>In article <seS061_00WBN425ZB3@andrew.cmu.edu> lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura McGinnis) writes:
>>On 29-Jul-92 in Re: Use of drugs during labor
>>user Clare Chu@nynexst.com writes:
>>>  Just curious, have you experienced both epidural
>>>  pain and labor pain?  Perhaps you can tell us which
>>>  is better.
>>
>>I have experienced both epidural & labor pain recently (7 weeks ago) and
>>highly recommend putting up with the temporary pain of the epidural
>>insertion in exchange for the longer relief from the labor pain.
[...]
>I can see that it would be awful to have to sit still for the
>insertion if you were having strong labor pains, but I didn't have
>to do that.  I got my epidural while my contractions were still
>pretty mild.


What a pleasant thread this is--all my horrific memories of labor
have come flooding back :-).  I had an epidural, and had to curl up
into a ball and remain absolutely still through two contractions.
My husband was sure that there would be no way I could handle that,
as I had spent the two or three contractions before the epidural
set-up screaming, crying and jumping around the room :-0.  (I had
intense back labor for several hours, which we handled pretty well;
it was when the labor pains started to occur in the front
*simultaneously* with the back labor that we were losing the battle of
pain management.)

It wasn't exactly easy to hold still through two contractions, but
the alternative (no pain relief) was much worse.

-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 19 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: diane@camdenuswest.com ( Diane Diesh)
Subject: Re: Jordan: The Labor Story
Reply-To: diane@advtech.uswest.com
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:37:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.223501.13717@umiami.ir.miami.edu>, ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
> In article <3247@master.CNA.TEK.COM>, judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) writes:
> > In article <1992Jul27.195446.10195@advtech.uswest.com> diane@advtech.uswest.com writes:
> >>
> >>Just to express an alternative viewpoint: I had an epidural for my first
> >>child, and yes, it helped me relax; I stopped fighting the contractions and
> >>the labor finally started progressing.  But along with the relief I also
> >>got an IV, an internal monitor, and (of course) immobility.  I was also
> >>catheterized post-partum.  It was over 24 hours before I was able to get
> >>out of bed (and shakily, at that).
> > 
> > Diane--I'm not sure you can attribute your post-partum difficulties to
> > your use of an epidural.  I had an epidural with my second child, and
> > was able to get up and walk around less than an hour after the birth.  
> > I had no catheter, spent one night in the hospital and went home just 
> > fine the next morning.  Post partum, I felt better after the epidural
> > than I did with my first labor when I didn't have one.  
> 
> Yep, I had the same experience as Judy...epidural, walked around pretty
> quickly, took a shower within 6 hours, and left the hospital feeling okay after
> less than 48 hours.  I don't know if the epidural can completely explain all of
> Diane's reactions--maybe different body chemistry?
> 
> Ann Helmers

Well, OK, I guess 2 kids in 3 years does tend to dull the mind :-).  There
were other complicating factors during my first labor--I'd developed a fever
due to amniotic infection and was receiving massive doses of antibiotics--so
I was pretty weak afterwards.  But I stand by my statement that an epidural
may carry with it additional intervention that you should be aware of if you
are considering one.
-- 
Diane Diesh
diane@advtech.uswest.com
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Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
Subject: Re: Blood types - Mother&Father
From: prevmary@otago.ac.nz
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:36:22 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

> I don't think the RH factor difference is anything
> to worry about these days.  Do you have a gynecologist?
> A doctor you would see if you got pregnant?  
> 
> -- 
> Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
> Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
> New York, New York  10043
> The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.

Im sorry I could not leave this alone.
RH disease can be serious or fatal for subsequent pregnancies UNLESS IT IS
TREATED BY GIVING THE MOTHER ANTI-D.
It is essential that we worry about RH disease to ensure that all at risk women
get the necessary anti-D. It is only with the advances in medical science that
we can treat this disorder. Without treatment we will have almost the death
rate, serious complication rate thAT we had in history. That is not on.
Now, with treatment the disorder is nothing to worry about BUT one must always
keep it in the back of your mind.

Mary Jane
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nice Furniture and kids
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:57:09 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1992Jul22.010205.17445@dsd.es.com>, ksouth@iguana.dsd.es.com (Kerri South) writes:
> My husband and I are about to make some major furniture purchases (now that
> we will finally own a home.) We are planning to have a family in the not-too-
> distant future. Any advice that I should keep in mind while furniture hunting?


Advice:  don't do it :).

But seriously, after 3 1/2 years and 2 kids I would really advise that you not
put a lot of money into furniture that is going to get jumped on, spilled on,
spit up on, crayoned/penciled on...you get the idea.  This is my own bias but
I try very very hard not to get worked up about damage to my things, or at
least accidental damage and things done by very little children.  I suspect
that if I had bought very nice stuff it would be causing me a lot of grief
to see it damaged.  And I comfort myself that there will be time for nicer
furniture when my kids are older.  Though maybe that is a delusion too; I
remember what a pair of teenagers and some junk food and sodas can do!

We bought some fairly inexpensive stuff ($700 for a sofa and loveseat) just
before starting a family.  I also deliberately chose upholstery that was
striped with a beige/brown background, to minimize stains showing.  The
material is herculon(?), the rough textured stuff that basically beads most
liquids so they can be wiped off.

Ann Helmers

Babyproofed:  a house in which all valuable objects have been destroyed already
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: food choices (WAS Re: kids & veggie lifestyle)
Date: 21 Jul 92 20:49:44 GMT
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <1992Jul18.182730.29254@Princeton.EDU> apoorva@clarity.Princeton.EDU (Apoorva Muralidhara) writes:

   There was a very interesting article in MOTHERING magazine in the
   summer of 1989, I think, which advocated giving one's children a
   completely free choice (constrained only by finances) of what and when
   and how much to eat, and said that this would eventually lead to
   children naturally choosing to eat healthy diets.  Perhaps someone
   could find the exact issue and post the exact reference and maybe a
   summary.

I don't have the time to post a summary (this time, anyways), but it
basically said that, left to their own devices, children will
naturally balance their diet on their own. They might binge sometimes
and might not eat a balanced diet every day, but examining a week or
two of eating, their diet was balanced.

The responsibility of the parent is to provide a healthy variety of
foods. And to stay neutral to what food choices the child makes, so
that the child doesn't learn that some foods are more *important* than
others. (oh oh, I could go on - can someone else finish this!!)

We have mostly done this with Kathy - we almost never restrict what
she wants to eat. When we take her to Fresh Choice (large salad bar)
I put a little bit of a lot of different things on her plate (spinach,
peas, chick peas, kidney beans, raisins, banana chips, granola, egg,
etc) and we go and also get some muffin, noodles, fresh fruit salad.
She also loves the 'ice cream' (soft serve frozen yogurt). We go and
get that after we've settled down and started eating, usually on the
first or second trip from the table. She really enjoys it, and is
insistent that we go and get it. We were worried that she'd eat that
and nothing else, but she eats some ice cream, then some peas, then
some ice cream, then some muffin, etc. We only put a small amount of
yogurt in the cup, and then she spends the time waiting for us to get
her another eating other foods. So I guess we've been successful so
far in not making ice cream any more important as food than peas.

I also try to take Kathy's eating into consideration when I make the
family meal -- why not, I take Kayvan and my preferences into
consideration. So I try to have at least one item that I know she'll
like for dinner. Sometimes she doesn't really like what we've served,
and she can have some fruit or other easy snack (peanut butter and
jelly sandwiches on whole grain bread are her default alternative food
when hungry).

It can work - we don't need to pass on various food neurosis to our
children.

-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89 &
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Robin Gregory born 2/28/92
=======================
I'm a mammal and proud of it!

4 month old Robin weighed 17.5 lbs, 25.5 inches tall, solely breastfed
by 'supermomcow' :-)
From: flaskerud@quark2.aero.org
Subject: Re: Blood types - Mother&Father
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: flaskerud@arecibo.aero.org
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:36:00 GMT

>>My fiancee's blood type is A+.  I just got my card from Red Cross (AFTER
>>8 MONTHS OF WAITING FOR IT!) and it states that I am O-.
> 
>>First of all, could they be wrong on my blood?  Please, please, say yes.
>>Please say that my blood type is really A+, just like his.  That's what
>>I really want to hear.
> 
>>Second, I've heard things about babies who are born from parents who have
>>opposite RH factors.  The worst possible (supposed) thing that could happen
>>is that the mother is negative (like me =-( ) and the first baby is positive,
>>and the blood mixes sometime during the pregnancy, and the mother's blood
>>developes antibodies towards the negative.  Then, if the second child or
>>any after that are also RH positive, the antibodies in my blood will fight
>>against the child being in my womb.
> 
>>In other words, complications, possible miscarriage?, babies with
>>handicaps, etc.


  Please don't upset yourself unnecessarily!  Of course things like that 
could go wrong.  But with good pre-natal care, most problems are 
realized early and can be treated or cured all together. 

  I am RH negative, as is my mother.  I don't recall hearing about any 
of the problems you described, but my doctor told me I would have to 
have a shot of Rogam after delivery because my husband has a positive 
blood type.  I am under the impression that this will not affect the 
first pregnancy, and that the antibodies can form that will affect the 
subsequent pregnancies.  

  I now have to wonderful little boys who were not affected in any way 
by our different blood types.  I have to tell you that the Rogam shots I 
got were very painful (burning sensation), but once you have the baby 
everything you went through is worth it!!

Cindy
flaskerud@arecibo.aero.org
From: lauraf@spike.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sleeping on Stomach
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:36:11 GMT
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA

In article <22932@oasys.dt.navy.mil> dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
>In misc.kids, lleut@watson.ibm.com (Lisa Leutenegger) writes:
>>
>>---lisa leutenegger  (2 1/2 +/- weeks to go until I can sleep on my stomach)
>
>Don't count on it!  Carrie is 6 weeks old and I STILL can't sleep on
>my stomach.  Those "supermomcow" breasts can't take it!
>

Well, I was dying to point that out to Lisa, but decided she would find out
soon enough. I didnt sleep on my stomach for the entire time I breastfed (about
a year). By that time it had been 21 months of staying off my stomach, and I
found I was out of the habit. Slowly I got back in the habit, but it is only
in the last few months that I have really started enjoying sleeping on my
stomach. I guess I am going to have to give that up again very soon!

Laura Floom
From: stoesser@i31s21.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: 28 Jul 1992 11:47:25 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: i31s21.ira.uka.de
Keywords: Historical perspective - positive for both sides!

In article <1992Jul27.123950.3014@titan.ksc.nasa.gov>, doug@doug.ksc.nasa.gov (doug hammond) writes:
|> In article <14rg5bINN341@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s21.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
|> 
|> >I'm an anarchist, atheist, pacifist, and vegetarian.  This does _not_
|> >mean that I'd bomb kings, worship Satan, let soldiers bleed to death,
|> >or eat fish.
|> 
|> Do you want an award?

No. I want a world without rulers, superstition, war, killing, famine,
environmental pollution, etc.

|> Who cares?

Yes, that's the problem. Nearly nobody cares.

|> Doug

								  Achim
_______________________________________________________________________

I'm an anarchist, atheist, pacifist, and vegetarian. "Vegetarian? _Not_
German?" - 10yo
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Sleeping on Stomach
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:12:16 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, lleut@watson.ibm.com (Lisa Leutenegger) writes:
>
>---lisa leutenegger  (2 1/2 +/- weeks to go until I can sleep on my stomach)

Don't count on it!  Carrie is 6 weeks old and I STILL can't sleep on
my stomach.  Those "supermomcow" breasts can't take it!

Diane Segelhorst
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2 years, and Carrie, 6 weeks
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kvt@willow.mitre.org
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Almost 3 year spacing (pros & cons)
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:47:38 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

After reading all of the positive responses to the close
spacing thread, I was wondering what we can look forward
to (pros and cons) if we do indeed start the baby growing
process again soon.  Mandy will be 2 years old in a few
weeks, and we are discussing another and starting soon. 
This would put her at 2 3/4 to 3 years old when the baby
is born.  Is this a good/bad spacing?  Should I wait longer?
Have I missed the opportune time?  Any experience welcome.

Thanks

Kathy T. (kvt@willow.mitre.org)
From: bloch@wupost.wustl.edu (Charlene Bloch Abrams)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Jordan: The Labor Story
Date: 22 Jul 1992 08:30:56 -0500
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
NNTP-Posting-Host: informatics.wustl.edu

In article <18475@drutx.ATT.COM> seb1@druhi.att.com writes:
>
>My OB said that they most commonly use Stadol. Any comments on Stadol
>vs. Nubane and Demerol? I've heard that it's a newer, better replacement
>for Demerol, but that's about all I know.
>

I've posted this before, but for those who missed it: I had 2 shots of 
Stadol. The first was sort of useful - took the worst edge off the pain
for about 40 minutes. The second shot (an hour later) was the very worst
part of my labour: it made me so spacey that I lost all sense of time,
except when I was having contractions, so until I managed to get the epidural
(NO idea on the timing!) it felt as though I was having one long contraction
(which the Stadol didn't help with managing at all). In a nutshell: NEVER
NEVER NEVER AGAIN - it was horrible for me!

Charlene
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Jewish mothers
Keywords: DELENDUS EST FEMINISMUS
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:44:48 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <19007@smoke.brl.mil> matt@smoke.brl.mil (Matthew Rosenblatt) writes:
>Why were the Jews so successful academically?  I believe it was because
>their parents, especially their mothers who were full-time mothers with
>no outside employment, devoted their lives to preparing their children

	*MY* Jewish mother spent the years of my childhood doing
graduate work in clinical psychology and then working full time as
a school system psychologist.  (Had I attended Harvard I would have 
been there during the time of the study Mr. Rosenblatt mentions.)

	Of course, I went to the University of Colorado.  My little
brother was a scholarship student at Jonhs Hopkins, though...

								wr
From: dave@appi.iis.u-tokyo.ac.jp (David Wuertele)
Subject: New Broadcast Rules
Organization: Institute of Industrial Science, University of tokyo.
Distribution: misc
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 12:19:23 GMT

Does anybody know where I can find the details of the new FCC band
reallocation for wireless services such as Interactive television?

TIA.
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Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:11:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.013644.411@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Joe.Francis@dartmouth.edu (Joe Francis) writes:

>Why did you think a non-existent subject/verb disagreement was
>important?

I normally don't think even existent ones are important, Joe. But you've
apparently forgotten what I was replying to. 

As I've stated on more than one occasion, I rarely comment on grammar,
style, and usage errors in net.postings--if one took on that task and
tried to do it comprehensively, one would have no time for anything else.

But I make an exception for people who misuse phrases like "functionally
illiterate" in order to condemn whole classes of people. 

>Who knows?  Who cares?  Now you are reaping what you've
>sown, and giving the impression, by the way, that you can dish it out
>but can't take it.

I can't claim that I've given any other impression (I really don't know
one way or the other), but I deny having "sown" this particular issue.


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,     |"Crime is contagious. If the Government becomes a law-
mnemonic@eff.org | breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every
(617) 864-0665   | man to become a law unto himself. It invites anarchy."
EFF, Cambridge   |         --Brandeis, J., dissenting in Olmstead v. U.S.  
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