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From: psycho@brtpa25.bnr.ca (Paul Jezioranski)
Subject: Re: Lies, Damn Lies, & Statistics (was Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Reply-To: psycho@brtpa25.bnr.ca (Paul Jezioranski)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 10:51:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.013519.8911@panix.com>, spira@panix.com (Greg
"Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
> In <1992Sep02.204409.2123@brtph560.bnr.ca> psycho@brtpa25.bnr.ca (Paul
Jezioranski) writes: 
> >Any statistic you can come up with is bound to be affected by
countless "what
> >ifs". Keep it simple.
> 
> We do.
> 
>  Games played, runs scored, hits, walks, RBI, etc. (i.e.
> >the basics) give a solid idea of hitting performance.
> 
> No, they don't.
> 
> And we can keep it simple by eliminating a lot of these.
> 
> Leave us with PAs, SLG, OBP and I'll let you eliminate all the rest.
> 
> Is that simple enough for you?
> 

Sure. Simply idiotic. An example:

	Rudy Fafoofnik: 680 Plate appearances, 1.000 SLG, 1.000 OBP
	
......	but he scored zero runs because he hit 680 two out singles and the guy
	behind him struck out 680 times.

Sure you can draw a "likely" conclusion from just those three stats, but
you can draw a better conclusion from what the player himself did.
Singles, doubles, triples, homers, runs scored, walks, at bats, and RBI
give a better than "likely" conclusion of the player's value to the
team, and you can calculate your three numbers from these stats. My
contention is that adding external dependencies (such as who and how
many were in scoring position, who was pitching, etc) only complicates
things and leads people to draw errant conclusions like "if Jose was in
his place, he'd have 5000 RBI". But I guess that's most of the
attraction of all these stats. 

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From: steve.leu@odybbs.gvl.oh.us (Steve Leu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: RE: JOSE CANSECO TO TEXAS
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:51:00 GMT
Reply-To: steve.leu@odybbs.gvl.oh.us (Steve Leu)
Organization: The Odyssey BBS * Garrettsville, OH * 216 527-2186

-> I think Eck has handled the job more than adequately. All in all,
-> looking at this trade, I think Oakland made out like a bandit.

No way...  Ruben Sierra and Bobby Witt are free agents at the end of the
season.  If Oakland does not sign them, which may be very likely the way
the free agent market is, they essentially traded Canseco for Russell
(when they already have Eck.  The key is signing them.  Oakland's
intention was for the future, while the Rangers simply did not think
they would be able to sign them.

Steve Leu  Internet: steve.leu@odybbs.gvl.oh.us
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From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Subject: Re: CY, MVP, ROY
Keywords: eat more moose
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:48:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.193940.16825@tamsun.tamu.edu> rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez) writes:
>
>ROY
>1. Strong: Listach, Lofton
>2. Fading: Fleming
>3. Next Year: now that wouldn't make any sense, would it?

Was this before or after Dave Fleming threw his two-hitter this week?

The rest of your choices looked sorta OK.


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From: aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui)
Subject: Re: Lies, Damn Lies, & Statistics (was Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 20:45:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.013519.8911@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
>
>Well, sure, you can present shoe size.
>Actually, I think I'd learn more from that than I do from RBIs.
>So let's replace the RBI column with SS for Player's Shoe Size. 
>

I thought about using shoe size in my roto-league that also used how many 
points a player's last name is worth in Scrabble.  The problem is that it
had too many statistics that were determined at the start of the season,
so the rest of the season didn't count.

Shoe size can be important.  The larger the shoe size, the bigger lead
you can take while still being on the base.  I imagine though, a player
wearing size 3,000,000,000 shoes would be banned in the best interest of
baseball.

Finally, just because shoe size is not important, it doesn't mean
that you can't root for players who have the same shoe size as you.
Go Raphael Belliard!!

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From: shimkus@athena.cs.uga.edu (Peter Gambit)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Date: 1 Sep 92 03:09:11 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Ok, how this for a big Trade?  Oakland has just dealt Jose Canseco to Texas
for Ruben Sierra, Bobby Witt,  and Jeff Russell!

--Peter Gambit
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david j warner)
Subject: Re: Cone and Overwork?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:00:08 GMT

If anyone wants to know why Cone has had a tired arm lately, just look to a
game earlier this summer in which Cone through a 166-pitch game for the Mets.
One of my writers mentioned this to me and then told me Cone started slipping
for the year right after that outing.  If you ask me, Jeff Torborg should be
fired just for that.  NOBODY can go that long (aside from maybe Tim Wakefield
if the knuckler is on, but that's a different story).

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From: desmondw@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: DAVID CONE TO BLUE JAYS
Date: 28 Aug 92 11:04:20 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

In article <BtnM7A.Kn5@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, dmeister@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Darren Meister) writes:
> In article <1992Aug27.172239.27782@julian.uwo.ca> heartlab@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Heartlab People) writes:


>>>They'll send Sprague as soon as they get arrangements for a back-up
>>>catcher.

The recent word out of Toronto is Gillick will not part with Sprague.
Knorr will be traded before Sprague. But Pat said the most likely
player is going to be outfielder Ryan Thompson.
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From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Subject: How many runs is enough?
Organization: Fordham University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords:  runs
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:03:00 GMT
X-Posted-From: mary.fordham.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

A recent thread contained criticism of the Pittsburgh Pirates for "running up
the score", i.e. unnecessarily scoring more runs in a one-sided game.  (They
eventually won 15-0.)  How many runs is enough, how late in the game?  

Is an 11-run lead sufficient, after four innings?  No.  Linescore from 
June 15, 1952:
St. Louis Cardinals 000 070 322 - 14   (This is the National League record
New York jints      056 000 001 - 12    for a blown lead:  11 runs.)

How about a 12-run lead, after 6-1/2 innings?  No.  Linscore from the same day,
different year (June 15, 1925):
Cleveland Indians       042 242 1  0 0 - 15  (This is the major league record  
Philadelphia Athletics  011 001 1(13)X - 17   for a blown lead:  12 runs.)
(Sorry about the spacing--the Athletics scored thirteen runs in the bottom of 
the 8th inning.)

I wouldn't be too comfortable with any lead, however big, on the Ides of June. 

P.S.  What is the biggest lead my favorite team has ever overcome to win?
Answer:  10 runs.  Linescore from August 8, 1896:
Philadelphia Nationals (or Phillies)     400 060 000 - 10
Brooklyn Trolley-Dodgers                 000 022 322 - 11
(There were no *official* knicknames in those days.  The Brooklyn team during
the 1890's was variously called the Bridegrooms, Trolley-Dodgers, Dodgers, 
and Superbas.  It was sometimes different in various local newspapers.  But 
even now, one can see the NY American League club called (in one paragraph)
both the Yankees and the Bombers.)

P.P.S.  The Phillies got revenge on August 21, 1990--just 94 years and 13 days
later.  The Dodgers led them 11-1, but they came back to win 12-11.  Linescore 
is too painful for me to post--I saw that one on ESPN.   

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From: mard@quads.uchicago.edu (Adrian N. Marden)
Subject: Re: Clark traded from the Sox?
Reply-To: mard@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:18:17 GMT

In article <farenebt.715008087@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Bri Farenell) writes:
>king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King) writes:
		     ^^^^^^^^^^
	Got to love the rec.famous.show-hosts who grace our newsgroup with
their presence.

[forget the baseball talk...]
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Yankees/Twins  Game-10  8/28/92
Date: 29 Aug 92 05:18:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.19959
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


        Yankees  ..........  3 ; Twins ......... 4 (14 innings) 

If there is one word for the Twins' ability to drive base-runners
home it is eeeeks. Pathetic is another word for it. They have 
the winning run in scoring position in the 9th, 10th & 12th innings.
In the bottom of the 10th Larkin doubles and Hrbek tries to score
all the way from 1st and is out at the plate.

To cap it all, in the bottom of the 13th, bases loaded and nobody
out, the Twins fail to score........eeeeeks.

Prior to that the Twins surrendered a 3-0 lead in the top of the 7th
when Nokes cracked a 3-run homer off Erickson. All this doesn't
bode well for the Twins chance of a repeat divisional title.

Finally, it took catcher Lenny Webster to end the frustration and
with a solid single scored Mack from second base in the bottom of
the 14th.

Tomorrow, Krueger takes the mound. He is (10-5).

S.H
forever Twins 
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: All Right:  WHO IS JEFF KENT?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 05:42:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.053059.1078@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary) writes:
>
>In a previous article, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) says:

>>So who would have given what for Cone?  Tell us why, as the Mets GM,
>>you would prefer your proposed deal to the actual one.  Put up or shut
>>up.  Or at least let us laugh at what you think that Cone might have
>>brought.
>>
>
>Baltimore: Chito Martinez, Luis Mercedes, Randy Milligan
>GDavis can play 1st, Horn DH

If Baltimore actually offers (or offered) something like that, they are either
seriously overvaluing Cone or seriously undervaluing Milligan.  I wouldn't
have given up *any* of the three for 6 weeks of Cone, let alone all three.

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: jspencer@world.std.com (Jeffrey C Spencer)
Subject: Re: Red Sox poll?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:22:38 GMT

gan@igc.apc.org (Global Action Network) writes:


>I'm polling all of my baseball friends.  Who should the Red Sox
>fire?
>          (a) Butch Hobson
>          (b) Lou Gorman
>          (c) Roving Hitting Instructor Jim Rice

Why would you want Rice gone? From all that I've heard he's
done a really good job with some of their minor league players.
The guy that should have been on your list is Rick Burleson,
who has been messing up the hitters on their big league
club.


>          (d) Jack Clark's financial advisor
>          (e) Don Zimmer
>          (f) Cito Gaston

The rest of your list seems to be an adequate representation of some
of the REd Sox problems, however. :-)

>In retro, I think the Sox are the only team in baseball who 
>only need to protect two players, Clemens and Viola, in the 
>upcoming draft.

-- 
jspencer@world.std.com     * Jeffrey Spencer, Dartmouth '91
While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a nay-sayer 
and hatchet man in the fight against violence.  I pride myself in taking a 
punch and I'll gladly take another, because I choose to live my life in the 
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From: olt@sili (Scott Olt)
Subject: Re: What happened to Grebek?
Organization: Madame Tinkertoy's House of Blue Lights
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 05:07:30 GMT
Keywords: Sox

Mike Swiston writes:
>What happened to Craig Grebek, shortstop for the
>White Sox during Guillen's absence?  He was playing
>very well, but then he disappeared and the Sox
>picked up Sveum.  Now I don't even see Grebek
>listed in the Sox team stats printed in the
>Tribune each week.  What's up?

The Little Hurt is out for the season with a broken foot. 

(Geez, Mike, I'm slightly amazed that yer girlfriend couldn't have told
 you that. :-)

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From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: just a question
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:36:22 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Sep3.205151.28256@infonode.ingr.com>, campbell@mikec.ingr.com
(Mike Campbell) says:
>
>Question: What happens in this situation?
>
>Situation:
>        2 out in the 7th inning
>        Runner on 1st base
>        Pitcher due up next at the plate
>
>
>The manager, needing to get the run home from first, elects to pinch-hit
>for his pitcher. The manager sends up a pinch-hitter who proceeds to get
>a 2 and 2 count on him. Now the fun starts. The runner on first gets
>picked off, thus ending the inning.  What happens now?
>
>If the pitcher was batting instead of a pinch-hitter, then the pitcher
>is just the first batter up in the next inning.  However, the
>pinch-hitter was batting. Who do you put in to pitch since the pitcher
>has been pulled? Does the pinch-hitter get to continue his at-bat the
>next inning? Does the pinch-hitter get an official at-bat? Not usually
>since he never finished his at-bat.
>

     Unless the manager wants his slugger to take the mound (possible but
doubtful) he needs to put a real pitcher in place of the pinch hitter, who
can no longer play in the game.  He doesn't get an at-bat or a plate
appearance, but he has played in the game and been removed, so can't come
back.  Next inning the manager has the option of leaving his new pitcher
in to bat or putting in a different pinch hitter...

Brett
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: bonds for justice
Keywords: bonds, justice
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:56:45 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <bone.714852175@luciano.Stanford.EDU> bone@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Douglas J. Bone) writes:
>Still, I would rather have him [Justice] than Bonds because he is 
>younger-- Bonds is clearly a better
>player now, but not that much better and not (perhaps) for much longer.

Er, age counts a bit, but there's not a big difference in age, and
as much as I like Justice (as a ballplayer), he's unlikely to ever
be better than Bonds over a season from now until they retire.
That's too strong, he's actually likely to be better at least
once, but in any given season over the next decade, I suspect
Bonds is the favorite to put up better numbers.  Bonds might
be the best player in the game right now, though I still like
the Big Hurt at the plate, I think.
Bonds has three MVP caliber seasons in a row, now.  Think
about the dominance that shows.

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From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Subject: Pitchers who can hit.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:07:43 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

Seems like we have to go through this every year, doesn't it?
Anyway, remember what they do with pitchers who can hit (regardless
of how well they pitch)?  Ask Babe Ruth.
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From: hutto@SMTC.engr.scarolina.edu (Brent Hutto)
Subject: Re: MLB Magic Numbers for Thu, Sep 3rd, 1992
Reply-To: hutto@smtc.engr.scarolina.edu
Organization: NIST Southeast Manufacturing Technology Center
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 20:03:41 GMT

In article <44691@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>, jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) writes:
>
>     MAGIC NUMBERS OF DIVISION LEADERS FOR THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 03, 1992
>
>          [NOTE: Includes all of yesterday's games; i-idle yesterday
>                   z-won yesterday or split a doubleheader.]
>
>NATIONAL WEST		 MN	        	NATIONAL EAST		 MN
>Atlanta	Braves		 --		        Pittsburgh Pirates	z--
>Cincinnati Reds		 24		        Montreal Expos		z28
>San Diego Padres	z23		        Chicago Cubs		z23
>Houston Astros          z15		        St. Louis Cardinals      21
>San Francisco Giants     12		        New York Mets           z17
>Los Angeles Dodgers	  6		        Philadelphia Phillies	  9

    I know "woofing" is looked down on by many subscribers of this group,
    but I really can't help myself...

    Between now and next Monday when the Dodgers come to Atlanta, the Braves
    will play four games and the Dodgers either three or four.  Since the
    Dodger's "magic number" is now 6, wouldn't it be nice for the Braves and
    their fans if the Dodgers got MATHEMATICALLY ELIMINATED right there in
    Atlanta!  I know it's nothing compared to going to the World Series twice
    in a row, but a nice piece of icing on top of a great season (so far).

-------------------------------
Brent Hutto
hutto@SMTC.engr.scarolina.edu
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 25 Aug 1992 23:12:10 EDT
From: Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: RULEBOOK TRIVIA 18

With the bases empty, the batter hits a shot deep into the hole.
The second baseman chases the ball down, grabs it, and then wheels
and throws to first. The throw is wide to the right field side of
the bag, and the first baseman has to stretch long and hard. He
blocks the bounding ball with his bare hand, but is unable to
actually pick the ball up. The ball is on the ground, with the
first baseman's hand around it. You're the first base umpire. The
first baseman's foot is on the bag, the throw beat the runner. Is
the runner safe or out? Does the first baseman have possession of
the ball, even though it is still on the ground?

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||   UNIVERSITY OF MAINE             IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU   ||
+===============================================================+
From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: roy NL
Keywords: eat more moose knuckles
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:57:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: tamsun.1992Sep4.205730.27736
Organization: Academic Computing Services

In article <5459@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
|> Thus spake rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez):
|> >
|> >I still like Karros.  then Sanders.  then Alou.
|> 
|> Player		 AVG	 OBP	 SLG	SB	CS	defense
|> ------		 ---	 ---	 ---	--	--	-------
|> Eric Karros		.255	.299	.443	 2 	 1	fair to good at 1B
|> Reggie Sanders	.277	.357	.482	16	 6	fair, CF
|> Moises Alou		.277	.327	.442	14	 1	fair to good, LF
|> 
|> 
|> Sanders has 345 PA (through last Sunday), Karros 450 or so.
|> 
|> I can't see any way to prefer Karros to Sanders.  

Ok, Dr. Dave.  I'll be convinced.  Maybe.  You got me here, but
darnit, I still want help on "The Arnsberg Rule."

Perhaps I root for Karros just because I want something to go right
for the Dodgers.  Just a small something, but something.

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From: vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 20-wins by August ??
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:13:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: das.1992Aug26.141346.25169
Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University

In article <menery.714826782@de3a1066a.osd.mil>, menery@de3a1066a.osd.mil (Ristonofer) writes:
|> With Tom Glavine going for his 20th win on 25 August, I was wondering
|> if anyone knows who was the last pitcher to have 20 wins before
|> September started.  Additionally, what was the earliest in the season
|> or calendar, for that matter, that a pitcher posted his 20th win.
|> 
|> --
|> Ristonofer
|> menery@galt.osd.mil
|> Lucid observation.  Snappy retort.  World-embracing cliche.
|> Witty non-sequitir.

Unfortunately, he didn't do it. :(
From: luigi@sgi.com (Randy Palermo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Ugliest Man in Baseball??
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:57:12 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

In article <1SEP92.20311267@vax.clarku.edu> hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>I had thought that Randy Johnson was the ugliest active player
>in baseball, but I saw the Braves/Mets game the other night, and
>I have to say that Otis Nixon just might edge Randy out of the
>coveted number-one slot.  There are several other worthy contenders,
>of course, too many to list here.  (Juan Berenguer is one outstanding
>candidate.)
>
>Ugliest non-active player is, without a doubt, Pete Rose.
>Is he even classifiable as human?
>
>Heather
>HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu

Heather,

I can only summize that you have not had the displeasure of laying 
eyes on Willie McGee.

luigi

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