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From: sichermn@beach.csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman)
Subject: Looking for Shitsu (sp?) breeders
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:29:53 GMT

  Looking for Shitsu (sp?) breeders in the Los Angeles or Ventura County
(California) area. Also, any pointers (!) on the breed and selection
would be appreciated. This is on behalf of a friend.

Jeff Sicherman


-- 
Jeff Sicherman
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From: reykja@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Reykja Sigurdsson)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 08:30:56 GMT
Subject: Re: MY DOGS STINK!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

hi....just another thought. Dogs apparently have some gland around their 
rear end that needs to be be spent occasionally. You might check with your
vet.

disgusting thought but it could be the problem. 
          
                                                   -reykja
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: why pekingese
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:48:14 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University


 
CLARIFICATION:  I didn't write this.  Someone else wrote it in
    response to something I said.......
 
>>>X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>>>"That would be the last lunch your dog ever ate!" and stormed away.
>>>I learned my lesson.  No more 'lunch' jokes unless the person knows me
>>>and my dog.  BTW: Bear has lived through a Sheltie puppy, a Basset
>>>puppy and a Border Collie/Great Pyreneese puppy, and not a one of them
>>>has ever been injured by him in any way.  He had not even raised a lip
>>>at this obnoxious little dog and the MinPin was the one that approached
>>>us, but still the owner was furious.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions)
Subject: Re: Ankle-biting puppy question
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 17:08:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <15204@drutx.ATT.COM> 
	 mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (54626-BonhamM(DR2020)214) writes:
>
>Mouthing is normal behavior, but should not be tolerated.  (See my previous
>post).  Yes, you should punish and try to stop him.

Stupid, stupid, stupid. "Punish" ?? What exactly do you mean? In any case,
you are dead wrong.  You want to train the pup eventually not to bite
people, but mouthing is essential to early socialization -- especially
in a pup that has not had much time with its littermates.  You also
want the dog to learn what the threshold of pain is for people, so that
a warning bite delivered to some harrassing 8 yr old doesn't result in
injury.

Besides, "punishment" doesn't teach a pup anything.  If you are suggesting
some negative reinforcement (like yelling "No") be explicit.  My earlier
suggestion bears repeating:  allow the dog to mouth your hand -- when he
bites too hard, yelp loudly.  Eventually, you'll want to diminish and
eliminate this behavior -- but it is *extremely* important you do it
right, and without "punishment" (Yeesh, that word really sets me off!)

>
>Good Luck!

Yes. with advice like yours, it's needed!
-- 
Small Systems Solutions                   1563 Solano Avenue, Suite 123
sss@netcom.com                                  Berkeley, CA 94707-2116

The above-expressed opinions aren't necessarily
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kudzu@tfs.com (Michael Sierchio)
Subject: Re: long haired German Shepard?
Summary: A Common Recessive Trait
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Distribution: rec.pets.dogs
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:31:15 GMT

In article <BDS.92Apr16084023@maui.linus.mitre.org> 
	bds@maui.linus.mitre.org (Barry D. Smith) writes:

>My puppy started class the other day (he's so cute sitting there
>trying to do good things with all those other dogs around him -- but
>that's another story).  One of the dogs in the class is a 3 year old
>long haired German Shepard.  Its owner said the father was from
>Germany, where long haired Shepards are recognized, even though the
>AKC doesn't recognize them here 

The long coat is a recessive trait, and exists in Shepherds worldwide.
One of the foundation dogs of the breed, the Thueringer Sheepherding
dog, had a particularly long coat.

It is a conformational flaw, both here and in Germany, but such dogs
are certainly "recognized" by the AKC -- it's just that here in the US
the primary concern at doggie shows is how close a dog gets to some
putative standard.  

The only way to tell if a dog or bitch carries the gene is by breeding
to another whom you know does. (I mean carries without exhibiting the
phenotype, of course!)

Such dogs make equally good pets, Search and Rescue, Police or companion
dogs to the deaf, blind, etc. as other GSDs -- they just aren't breeding
or show dog material.  A reputable breeder would offer a reduced price in
exchange for an agreement to spay or neuter the dog.

Michael Sierchio
-- 
Michael Sierchio                               TRW Financial Systems
kudzu@tfs.com                                     1947 Center Street
                                             Berkeley, CA 94704-1105
(MKS2)                                                  510.704.3380
From: joy@Software.Mitel.COM (Joy Neville)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: SKUNK! phewww
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:29:22 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

Talk to your Vet. My Vet sells a product called SKUNK OFF for dogs. It
works quite well in removing the skunk smell..
From: schalene@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Suggestions on Child's pet
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:34:03 GMT
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Apr13.001230.21975@news.iastate.edu> sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov (Susan B. Sinnott) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.200546.8752@b15.b15.ingr.com> lynn@b15.b15.ingr.com (Lynn Lee) writes:
>>I have a friend who's wanted to get her son a dog.  Her son is five
>>years old.
>>
>>She wants a pet that can stay outside.  She wants a medium sized dog (not
>>as big as a lab).  She wants to make sure that it doesn't bark alot and
>>is good with children.
>>
>>
>>Any suggestions?
>
>Yeah, tell her not to get a dog!!  Dogs need lots of attention and love
>and they need to be near their people.  Keeping the dog outdoors only is
>probably fine as long as it gets lots of attention every day for a significant
>period of time.  Otherwise, the dog will not bond to the people, WILL BARK,
>will jump on people when they come around, and will end up being ignored
>because it is "too much trouble".  A five year old will not know how to care
>for a dog either, so that just makes it worse.
>
>I suggest that you tell your friend to buy some dog books and read them before
>getting a dog.  The Monks of New Skeat have a few books out that should help,
>and there are others.  Remember, a dog is 10-15 year commitment and is still
>going to have needs when the little boy dosn't feel like taking care of the
>dog and would rather do something else.  Please have your friend think this
>over carefully before getting a dog that will probably just end up in the
>pound after a year or less.
>
Excellent advice, Susan.  Please, please, please tell your friend to
read up on what's involved in getting a dog.  Her child is too young
to be the primary care-giver.  Your friend will have to do the lion's
share of the work, training, exercising, etc.  Is she ready for this?
We're not saying that she isn't and that they might really welcome a
dog into their home, but from your brief description of their wants,
it doesn't sound like they have all the information they need to make
an informed decision.

People who purchase dogs for their children without thinking it
completely through may end up later thinking the dog is too much trouble 
and then guess where it goes?  The pound.  You wouldn't believe how often
this happens.  Its tragic.

My husband and I just got a puppy a month ago.  He's three months old.
He's wonderful, but he requires a tremendous amount of time -- time we
were committed to giving him.  I took off from week the first week we
had him, we have a pet sitter come in once a day and take him outside
and play with him for and hour, once a week we go to puppy
kindergarten, I get up 2 hours earlier every morning to play with him,
we spend all our time after work with him (including 2 10-minute
training sessions), we take off time from work to take him to the vet,
etc.  Is your friend ready for this?

schalene
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: bitch in heat = dog won't eat
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:52:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: dog.22572
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

Ever see an emaciated dog (or cat) carcass next to an untouched
bowl of food?  Didn't think so.  If the animal appears healthy 
and energetic, provide food and relax -- it will resume eating
in its own good time.  (If the animal shows other signs of
illness, of course, make an appointment with the vet.)  IMHO,
this works with finicky eaters as well -- "finicky" meaning 
there is considerable doubt as to who has been trained by whom.

Of course, I should talk...I cater to a cat who will sit by an
OPEN door and squall until I drop whatever I'm doing and push the 
door open a little wider.

Burying the food is simply the dog's version of putting the 
leftovers in the fridge.  Yum, yum!  Let's face it, dogs are not
nearly as squeamish as their masters.  The happiest dog I ever
saw was a hound that discovered a pile of discarded fish innards
somebody had dumped in the open field where we were running.
In New Mexico.  In August.  Some days before. He didn't eat them,
but he rolled around in them at some length before I figured out
what was going on.  He got plenty of leash on the way back.

Thanks for helping me skip lunch today,
--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
From: pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs Have Souls, Don't They?
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:45:17 GMT
Organization: not much...

Sue, you have missed the point of our criticisms.  If Chris had said "I don't
believe that dogs have souls because..." nobody would have gotten upset, even
if he had gone on to say "...I am a fundamentalist Christian and believe
that..."

What Chris SAID was "The basic question here is 'Do animals (pets) have a 
soul?'  The answer is an undeniable NO." followed by a parochial and pedantic
discourse on his personal beliefs, couched in extremely absolute terms (e.g., 
"Since there is only 1 way to have a relationship with God (through the 
acceptance of Jesus Christ)".  As one of several hundred million people on this
planet who DON'T accept Jesus Christ, I find it pretty offensive to be told
that I can't have any more of a relationship with God than my dog can --
wouldn't you?

If a Lakota had posted a message that said "There is only one way to have a 
relationship with God , and it's..." s/he would have been just as throroughly
scorched.  There is not "only one way" to do anything, particularly and 
especially when you're talking about matters of the spirit, and it was Chris's
attitude -- implicit rejection of and contempt for the beliefs of others
-- that got him in trouble, not his own beliefs as such.

The conventional formula for stating an opinion as though it's a fact is "This
is (IMHO) true".  Chris acknowledged that people might disagree with him, but
didn't give any indication that he recognized that he was stating an opinion;
I would be quite astonished if he regarded what he said as an opinion, and not
fact.  You just don't go around telling a bunch of intelligent people that you
have a lock on the truth; they get very annoyed, and rightly so.

The final insult in Chris's post was in his "Notes:" -- where he says, in
effect, "I got to broadcast my religious beliefs, but you all have to stick to
DOGS".  But to contradict his arguments, one has to talk about his beliefs, and
that has nothing to do with dogs, does it?  Sneaky...

To tell the truth, I'd be very interested in hearing what a Lakota thinks
about whether dogs have souls.  I would be surprised if the answer was
anything other than "yes"...  If there are any Native Americans reading,
please speak up.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com
Subject: Re: Dogs Have Souls, Don't They?
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:33:33 GMT

This post is not meant to prolong ill feelings, but I thought it an
interesting sidebar to this discussion....

From "How to be Your Dog's Best Friend," Monks of New Skete.

Chapter 1.  Myths, Mutts, and Monks:

".....There is a story, perhaps still told in Romania where it is
thought to have originated, that gives a charming account of how the
dog himself was created.  It seems St. Peter was taking a stroll in
heaven with God when a dog came up.  "What's that?" said St. Peter.
God told him it was a dog, and he added, "Do you want to know why I
made him?"  Naturally Peter was interested.  "Well, you know how much
trouble by brother, the Devil, has caused me...how he made me drive
Adam and Eve out of Paradise.  The poor things nearly starved, so I
gave them sheep for meat and warm wool to clothe them.  And now that
fellow is making a wolf to harry and destroy the sheep!  So I have
made a dog.  He knows how to drive the wolf away.  He will guard the
flocks.  He will guard the possessions of man." 

(Reproduced without permission)

schalene
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Queen Elizabeth
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:08:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44654
Organization: Purdue University


Thanks for all the replies, oopps I did mean Victoria (Now why
did I type Elizabeth?)  But anyway, it's still interesting how
many of Britan's Royalty loved dogs.  :)

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov (Susan B. Sinnott)
Subject: Re: Suggestions on Child's pet
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:12:30 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.200546.8752@b15.b15.ingr.com> lynn@b15.b15.ingr.com (Lynn Lee) writes:
>I have a friend who's wanted to get her son a dog.  Her son is five
>years old.
>
>She wants a pet that can stay outside.  She wants a medium sized dog (not
>as big as a lab).  She wants to make sure that it doesn't bark alot and
>is good with children.
>
>
>Any suggestions?

Yeah, tell her not to get a dog!!  Dogs need lots of attention and love
and they need to be near their people.  Keeping the dog outdoors only is
probably fine as long as it gets lots of attention every day for a significant
period of time.  Otherwise, the dog will not bond to the people, WILL BARK,
will jump on people when they come around, and will end up being ignored
because it is "too much trouble".  A five year old will not know how to care
for a dog either, so that just makes it worse.

I suggest that you tell your friend to buy some dog books and read them before
getting a dog.  The Monks of New Skeat have a few books out that should help,
and there are others.  Remember, a dog is 10-15 year commitment and is still
going to have needs when the little boy dosn't feel like taking care of the
dog and would rather do something else.  Please have your friend think this
over carefully before getting a dog that will probably just end up in the
pound after a year or less.

Susan Sinnott
sinnott@tc4.fi.ameslab.gov
From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Ankle-biting puppy question
Date: 9 Apr 1992 18:55:23 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu

sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions) writes:

>As for not training a puppy until five months - bosh!  Everything you do
>is training.  You can't use harsh methods, or demand *compliance*, of
>a young pup, but can certainly teach him -- his name, to come when called,
>to poop out of doors, etc.

>I begin training dogs to track at 12 weeks.  I make sure that they only
>have positive experiences associated with me calling them to come to me.
>I make sure they aren't anxious that their food is going to be taken 
>away.  Everything you do is training.

Helen Phillips, an obedience/tracking/herding Border Collie person in
Colorado, qualified her 12 week old Border Collie for his TD test.
She then had to wait till the dog was 6 months of age to take the
test, but the puppy was capable of that level of performance at 12
weeks.  I saw this puppy when he was 8 weeks old, and he was a
character.  He was energetic, inquisitive, and outgoing.  

--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: richie@cancan.engin.umich.edu (Staney Dharmakusuma)
Subject: Re: Strange eating habits
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 00:02:41 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: richie@cancan.engin.umich.edu


In article <92107.205716JJB6@psuvm.psu.edu>, <JJB6@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:


> >But I remembered that I tried not to got upset at him and yell at him
> >everytime he chew tissue or books. I simply told him that he was bad in
> >a quick but sharp voice, and I told him I loved him very much.
> 
> We also try to tell him that he is bad, but depending on what he has done, he
> either puts his head down or turns and walks away.
> 

Sparky (my spoiled Sheltie) always feels bad everytime he does 
something wrong. Now I do not have to say anything hard to him.
I usually just pick up the tissue (or whatever he was chewing). Sparky 
then will look so guilty. He folds his ear and look at me as if
to say he is sorry (although he'll do it again probably).
He asks me to carry him and then kisses me.
I never have any heart to rebuke him afterwards, nor to mention
the tissue again.


> ... and he has taken over the position of the "baby" of the family.

Same here.

> It seems as if our dogs have some of the same "habits."  Is your dog also
> moody??  Sometimes it's as if we are living in "HIS" house.  If he wants to
> play, we play.  If he wants to sleep (at night) and we are up "too late", he
> will stand and make noises as if to say "Come on, it's time to go to bed."
> Once we go to bed he's fine, but if my mom goes to bed and reads instead of
> going to sleep, he will let her know he doesn't like it and will go to another
> bedroom to sleep.  Also, you can't pet him unless he wants you to.  If you
> touch him and he doesn't want to be touched, well, if looks could kill...

Well, I do  not know if I can say that he is moody. Sparky is really sweet,
but he insists that he gets what he wants (he has to have HIS way too).
Otherwise, he gets upset (like sitting away from me, pushing me away). 
He becomes very happy if I call him at that time and kiss him. 
He usually sleeps near me while I'm studying. 
He won't go to the bedroom first unless he is very very
sleepy (only happens twice). In the morning he would step all over me,
waking me up so that I can take him out. 
Sparky loves it if I touch him. He is happy as long as I pay attention to
him, anytime and anywhere.
He is upset, though, if I do not fully concentrate on him. 
WHEW! we DO have spoiled babies, don't we.
I hope raising a child is not much more demanding than having spoiled
dogs.

Staney
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From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (54626-BonhamM(DR2020)214)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Ankle-biting puppy question
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:12:02 GMT

So, flame me for posting two articles...  ;-) ;-)

In article <1992Apr9.033325.19511@news.Hawaii.Edu>, gmiyamo@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Gail Miyamoto) writes:

|> My question is:  Is this normal behavior or a sign that he will be
|> an aggressive biter when he grows up?   Also, should I scold and try
|> to stop him?  He's only six weeks old, and I've heard that you
|> shouldn't try to train a pup until five months of age.
|>

Mouthing is normal behavior, but should not be tolerated.  (See my previous
post).  Yes, you should punish and try to stop him.

Training for a puppy should begin the moment you get him.  (No flames yet,
please, I will explain myself).  6 weeks old is pretty young; a puppy really
shouldn't be separated from his mom until 8 weeks.  What I mean by training
is not the "obediance class" but rather, socialization and enforcement of the
rules.  Puppies are very immature at that age, but they can learn.  Don't
expect too much at first, they're still trying to sort out their new world.
A number of obedience schools have "puppy kindergarden" classes; you might want 
to check with the schools in your area to see what age they accept pups for
these classes.  (They are just as educational for the owner as the puppy).

Good Luck!

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From: schalene@sequent.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Calling all puppy experts! Trouble in Golden City! (long)
Keywords: please
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:29:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr7.162950.23807
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <rqhj1INN1k5@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull) writes:
>marc@malone.austin.ibm.com (Marc Stephenson) writes:
>
>[history deleted]
>
>Before I even start, I would recommend, "The Art of Raising a Puppy"
>by the Monks of New Skete.  It will teach you a lot more than I will
>in this one short reply.  
>
>Not really, you probably just need to be more positive and get him
>into a puppy kindergarten immediately. 
>
>>      Is he just too independent to be a companion dog?
>
>A Golden?  Not likely, and especially not likely a puppy.  
>
>>      How do we know?
>Get the Monks book and start reading.  
>
I highly recommend everything Terry said.  We started talking about
getting a puppy in November shortly after our Cocker Spaniel died.  We
bought the Monks of New Skete books as Christmas presents to ourselves
and read them before we got the puppy.  I still refer to it a lot.
Max, our 12 week old puppy, is trying something new everyday.

I enrolled Max in puppy kindergarten right after we got him.  The
first week he couldn't do much (waiting on his 3rd set of shots) and
he was scared to death, but the second week was great.  (1) it tires 
them out, (2) they get socialized with other puppies and humans, 
(3) the trainers are so helpful explaining how puppies perceive things, 
(4) the trainers work with you until they find some way of getting your 
puppy to do what you want -- sometimes takes a lot of imagination!  
At first I was worried I had started Max too early, but I'm convinced 
now I did not.  Starting early means that you learn not to make mistakes 
when you are teaching him.  Puppy kindergarten is as much for the human 
as it is the puppy.

Some puppies are more stressed than others about leaving the litter.
Our breeder had to exchange one puppy because the first one cried and
cried and the new owners were afraid they'd never bond with it.  I
think they may have panicked a little, but who am I to say.  That
puppy was then the last to leave (later placed with another family)
and the breeders tell me he's doing great.  So maybe he just needed to
stick around mom longer than the rest.  He probably would have worked
out at the first home but his acclimation time would have taken
longer.  

I hope you stick with it.  Goldens are beautiful animals and in time I
know you'll look back on this with a smile.  Max had a terrible time
sleeping through night, which meant I did, too.  He finally got over
it, but before he did I thought I was going to die.  

schalene