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From: galuska@oz.asel.udel.edu (Scott Galuska)
Subject: You Know My Name in stereo? (was Re: The worst Beatles compilations?)
Organization: AI duPont Institute
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:59:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.084901.7506@alf.uib.no> Stein H}kon Lygre <lygre@edb.uib.no> writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.013726.21245@menudo.uh.edu> edward s. chen,
>edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu writes:
>>You Know My Name (Look Up the Number) - stereo

>Is there realy an available stero version of this song, or have I missed
>something?

Nope, "You Know My Name" was only mixed for mono...

Now, close your eyes and imagine what a stereo mix would sound like....

Any audio engineers out there wanna propose a stereo mix????
I'm sure Mr. Martin won't mind...  :-)

-- 
Scott Galuska
Dept. of Computer & Info. Science        "There's no crying in baseball!"
Univ of Delaware
galuska@asel.udel.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: psbapat@mtu.edu (BAPAT)
Subject: Re: Beatles' record impact etc..
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:44:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.104528.21440@mr.med.ge.com>, hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:

> I think, MUSICALLY, Rubber Soul influenced me more than anything else.  Nowhere
> Man, And Your Bird Can Sing, etc. are all very well crafted songs.  I think
> (at times) that that is my favorite album, although they all are at different
> times.
> 
> 
> --
>

I thought that And Your Bird Can Sing is from Revolver. Anybody??
 

-- 

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e-mail: psbapat@mtu.edu            | YOU GET OUT OF IT DEPENDS  
Michigan Technological University  | ON WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT !!

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: Visit to England (Long)
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:47:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.071909.26749@syma.sussex.ac.uk>
stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter) writes:

>>  Euston Station (pronounced Houston) 
>No it isn't.  It is Euston pronounced with the leading part sounding
>like useless (if you get what I mean).

Euston pronounced like Houston in Texas, but not like Houston St in
New York.  See you in rec.railroad...

--Joe Brennan

ob. references-- The railroad station scenes in "A Hard Day's Night"
were at Marylebone Station and Paddington Station-- not really so far
apart as one would believe from watching the film.
From: edc@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Edward Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: The worst Beatles compilations? (was: Re: The Old Mixmaster)
Date: 31 Jul 1992 04:23:57 GMT
Organization: University of Houston

In article <1992Jul31.031705.21388@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> hpky@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (Hanan Polanski) writes:
>In <1992Jul30.013726.21245@menudo.uh.edu> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
>
>>Ummmm, that was the point of the British "Rarities" LP.  (Not the 
>>American one, but the one with the Blue cover)
>
>>The Track listing:
>>------------------
>[tracks deleted ...]
>>You Know My Name (Look Up the Number) - stereo
>                                         ^^^^^^ ???
>
>Did I miss something, or is this a misprint?
>

This factoid is something we can blame the EMI folks for.  I copied
the information in my post directly from what is on the LP sleeve,
without going back and verifying for myself.  Quoting from Neville 
Stannard's _The Beatles: The Long & Winding Road_

203a You Know My Name(Look Up the Number) (4.17) *
      The "B" side of the "Let It Be" single, appearing here on
      an album for the first time, but although indicated as being
      in stereo, the track has no clear instrumental or vocal
      separation whatsoever (see "Let It Be" single)

<ESC>
-- 
.. newspaper taxis appear on the shore, waiting to take you away ...
From: dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu (saki)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: The Beatles First Visit
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:56:37 GMT
Organization: UCLA, Anderson Graduate School Of Management

In article <1992Jul20.202150.29175@ethome.et.iupui.edu> damon@tnt.cadcam.iupui.edu writes:
>  I have just watched "The Beatles First Visit" for about the third
>time and I can't help but thing something is wrong.  TBFV is so 
>different from what you would think you would see the beatles.  For
>example John is very quite during the entire tape, Ringo and George
>are the clowns and most fotage is from the pair.  SO Iam I the only
>one seeing this or is this how it really was???  From most newsclips
>and press conferences and movies I get a entirely different impression.

I'll assume you mean "John is very quiet"...or maybe you meant "John
is quite quiet". :-)

He wasn't always the class clown, and on the first tour I suspect
that John was taking in the entirety of the momumental acclaim in
which the Fabs were awash---as befits the "unofficial" leader of the
group. His visible responses during the first Ed Sullivan appearance
were also somewhat muted; maybe this was the nearsightedness. :-) As
usual, Paul acts as spokesman on stage for the Fabs and John is called
upon only when his "spastic" act is required (a repeated comical
footstomping, for instance...those of you who've seen this performance
know what I mean), or when he sings. And unlike other U.S. tours, this
first visit included John's then-wife Cynthia as a guest. I wouldn't
want to veer into the realm of anti-feminism, but perhaps the presence
of his wife caused John to repress his wilder side, at least while she
was looking.

The bulk of the footage for this video was shot by the Maysles Brothers,
documentary fimmakers whose original work was "What's Happening!...."
(as the film was then called). Parts of that film and many of what I
suspect are outtakes show up in this "Beatles First US Visit" video.
For much of that work (and as is evidenced from this unused footage),
Paul, George and Ringo become ardent hams, mugging and joking for
the camera as if they were born for it (maybe it was also the result
of all those "favorite Beatle drinks", scotch-and-cokes!) but John
seems a little reluctant to join in the fun. Maybe he and the Maysles
didn't get along; maybe John was getting tired of having a camera
stuck in his face all day. 

Just a thought....

--
"Modern music is, however, the groups' delight, and as if to prove the
point, John and Paul have written over 50 tunes, ballads & faster
numbers, during the last three years!"_________________________________
                                        saki (dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu)
From: kirk@cs.duke.edu (Scooter Corleone)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Let it be
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:45:03 GMT
Organization: The Zymurgy Institute

In article <1992Jul29.052823.23923@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> CS19240760T@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (VURGUN, SINAN) writes:
>I recently bought a box set of all the Beatles albums ever released.
>I always thought that abbey raoad was the last album they released, 
>but much to my suprise they had Let it be as the last album to be
>released . could somebody please tell me what happened. 
>			sinan

ABBEY ROAD was released in 1969, and LET IT BE was released in 1970.
That's what happened.


No worries,

Scooter Corleone

English Major Without Portfolio
From: dennis@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Dennis Alstrand)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:29:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Beatles 101
Organization: the HP Mtn.View Resp. Cntr.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles

In rec.music.beatles, dmaclaug@agsm.ucla.edu (saki) writes:


> I know there are a few people out there who never post. That's
> fine; to each his/her own. But I don't know if that's because
> these people have no interest in posting or feel unduly intimidated
> by the usual depth of discussion here. I also had no idea that a
> group such as news.answers existed. Now maybe there's a solution.

There is one intimidation factor.  I've posted a number of items over
the past year and don't think I've ever seen a response.  It may well
be that my entries are of little interest to the rmb audience and have
resigned myself back to just 'reading'.  An example was a recent entry
I put in re: Brian Epstein, asking for others' responses.  I think one
guy responded asking if he had died on this date 25 years ago.  
By saying this, I'm not complaining at all, just offering some insight
from rmb regular reader.   Finally, it felt good to read your message
because it inspired me to attempt a few other entries and try to start
some interest in some Beatles related subject.


Dennis Alstrand
Beatles fan
HP Response Center
dennis@hpwrc11.mayfield.hp.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: frede@microsoft.com (Frederick Einstein)
Subject: Re: two of us/on our way home
Date: 21 Jul 92 12:26:16 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: Yes....

In article <92202.163340BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu>, <BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu> writes:
> I really like the rock n'roll version of Two of Us as seen in the Let it Be
> video.  Are there any boots that would have an uncut version of this song.

	"The Beatles '69 Rehearsals -- In the Film Studio 1969" contains
the complete Two of Us sessions where the above mentioned version was
recorded.  In addition to the "film" version, you get to hear the "album"
version in its proper context.  Quality is excellent (no "beeps") but
is in mono.  The bootleg label is "Blue Kangaroo".

Fred Einstein
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: hpky@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (Hanan Polanski)
Subject: Re: Analog Beatles
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 04:45:10 GMT

In <1992Jul20.091535.22777@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) wonders:

>Why does it seem that capitol/emi are trying to eliminate the stereo albums
>of the first 4 releases?  I own most versions of these albums, and the 
>stereo mixing is only primitive on some of the first two...on B's 4-sale, it
>is quite good!  Yet, Capitol goes out of its way to obscure the existance
>of the Stereo versions of these, blotting out where the albums said 'stereo'
>on the CD's, etc (check 4-sale's cover).  WHY?  Did they lose the tapes or
>something stupid, or is there a real reason?  I'm surprised that they aren't
>re-releasing the stereo trying to leech us for more money in CD's (just being
>cynical, I'd buy them anyway).

While I would be the *last* person to applaud Capitol's expertise in marketing
and sonic quality control, the first four CDs were released in mono at the 
insistance of *George Martin*.  It was his contention that they were recorded
to be mixed in *mono*, with the stereo mixes only remixed as an afterthought.
(I think he said later that _A_Hard_Day's_Night_ and _For_Sale_ *could* have
been released in stereo, but he didn't have enough time to make a go of it
and still meet *Capitol's* CD release deadline...)

Capitol, wishing to get the most *promo* for it's money, decided to convert
*all* it's Beatle albums to DIGITALLY REMASTERED versions (by coincidence,
they just happened to have all those digital CD masters lying around).
Of course, since the CDs were patterned after the British releases ("the
way they were *meant* to be released...) that was how the LPs were rereleased.
(A moot point, now that vinyl is dead, but cassettes followed the same path)

Now, since all formats were remastered from the CD masters, all formats of the
first four albums are in *mono*.

No, they didn't lose the masters.

I also am somewhat surprised that the *wonderful* I-) folks at Capitol haven't
rereleased them in *stereo*. (I personally think it would be a good idea to
at least do AHDN and FS in stereo.  But then again, I miss the false take at
the beginning of "I'm Looking Through You"....)

>Just wondering.  Rant of the week.  Ah well.

Speaking of "just wondering", has anyone heard any news about Capitol's
"Beatles Outtakes" album??  I haven't heard anything about it in quite a
while, and I'm wondering if they dropped it or if they're still negotiating
with the group [and/or their Estate].

				James Willer at hpky@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu
					OR jmw1388@cs.rit.edu
{The opinions above are probably not those of
 Hanan Polansky. I don't know. I never asked.}
From: ab3f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Arthur Edgar Bucholtz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: to Chris bbs.oit.unc.edu 152.2.22.80
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:45:42 GMT
Organization: Senior, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>Chris,
>I was reading your article about the strange record you have.  You
mentioned as
>trange "Phil and Ronnie" on this 'bootleg'.  I may be wrong, but it
could refer
> to Phil Spector, a producer of many later beatle records, and Ronnie
Hawkins, 
>a guy that <i know nothing about, but a guy who John does a promotional
bit for 
>on a single that I have obtained in my beatles collection.  I would be
curious 
>to find out any other information on this, too.
 
Okay dudes, Phil Spector (over) produced Let It Be. Ronnie Spector (of
'Ronnie and the Ronnettes': 'Be My Baby,' etc.) was Phil Spector's wife.

--Ed Um-Bucholtz 92.07.23
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: alder@cs.uq.oz.au (Bradley Alderton)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Let it be
Date: 29 Jul 92 08:59:48 GMT
Reply-To: alder@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Jul29.052823.23923@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> CS19240760T@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (VURGUN, SINAN) writes:

>I recently bought a box set of all the Beatles albums ever released.
>I always thought that abbey raoad was the last album they released, 
>but much to my suprise they had Let it be as the last album to be
>released . could somebody please tell me what happened. 
>			sinan

They recorded all the tracks on Let It Be in early '69 (and late '68 too maybe,
I dunno). They thought it was trash, and went into the studio a few months
later to record Abbey Road (IMHO, their best album). Abbey Road was then
released before the middle of '69, I forget when. They got Phil Spector in
to remix all the masters of the Let It Be stuff, and released it in early
1970 I think.

So, while they recorded Let It Be before Abbey Road, it was actually released
to the public as their last album.


Ciao,

Bradley Alderton.


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From: bad@pismo.sw.stratus.com (Bruce Dumes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Analog Beatles
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:29:14 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Jul24.193320.14902@rice.edu> edc@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Edward Chen) writes:
>In article <7119987467177@c00015-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu> jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:
>>I distinctly remember a possibly apocryphal story of how George Harrison
>>heard Capitol's mix of The Beatles (the white album) while he was visiting
>>the US before its release. 
>>
>
>That story is indeed one of those pesky "Beatles urban legends", that
>gets re-circulated from time to time (and has even made it into a
>few bios of the quiet one).   It never ceases to amaze me, since the
>timeframe usually indicated is *weeks* prior to release.  Such a remixing
>of the entire record would mean new masters would need to be pressed (etc),
>delaying the final release by several *months*.

I've heard this story, but what I've assumed that they meant was not
the *mix*, but the mastering.  I don't believe that EMI sent the original
unmixed tapes to Capitol for mixing.  I think they sent Capitol the tapes
already mixed, and Capitol couldn't screw up the mixing.  All they could
do would be to add echo or some other effect, and then master the record.

Bruce


-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dtschett@scott.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Beatle Posters..
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:12:17 GMT

I found a source for Beatle Posters. Prices range from $25-$45

Yellow Submarine, Get Back and others.

Contact:
Deryl Bullard
10 Pieter Schuyler Court
Albany, NY  12210

(518) 459-2616

or e-mail specific requests and I can contact him for you.
From: shroymp@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mike Shroyer )
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Her Majesty
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:59:04 CDT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Jul22.094346.5374@mr.med.ge.com>, hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
> Since I first bought my first copy of Abbey Road, so long ago it seems,
> something has puzzled me.  At the end of I want you/She's so heavy, the sound
> cuts out VERY abruptly.  The same thing on side 2 with Her Majesty.  I've heard
> a bootleg of what seems to be the same take of HM with the final chord, it sounds
> OK.  Why is it cut off on the album?  When I first got it, I thought it was
> Capitol being VERY sloppy with the mastering, but is there an artistic
> reason for it, other than to drive people nuts with the unresolved
> tonal series?
> 
> Just wondering.
> 
> --
> 
> Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
> Pherrets are Phun!! 
> hinz@picard.med.ge.com
> 
> 
I'm not sure about the first side cut-off but actually Her Majesty was
supposed to be inside the medley somewhere.  I don't have my
information with me so i cannot tell you exactly where.  If you notice
at the beginning of Her Majesty it starts out with a heavy chord ...
that is the last chord of another song where it was edited bad.

Mike

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From: machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Beatles' record impact etc..
Date: 31 Jul 92 19:51:03 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

psbapat@mtu.edu (BAPAT) writes:

>I have just been informed that the British release of Rubber Soul
>does not contain AYBCS but the American release does. AYBCS is in 
>Revolver (again a British release) and that is the cassette I have.

you have been misinformed.  "And Your Bird Can Sing" is on "Yesterday...
and Today", not "Rubber Soul" in the US.

-- 
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 c-OO                                                                      
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From: hpky@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (Hanan Polanski)
Subject: Re: Quiz qusetion!
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 04:57:45 GMT

In <1992Jul20.125016.21723@utoday.com> georger@utoday.com (George Rothe) writes:

>In article <1992Jul14.140633.25659@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul14.123936.21193@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au>
>>mitchell@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) writes:
>>
>>Pete Best was the original drummer who was replaced by Ringo.  Stu
>>Sutcliffe was the bass player for a while.  During that time Paul
>>played 2nd lead guitar.  Apparently Stu never really learned how to
>>play and eventually left the group to remain in Hamburg with his fiance
>>Astrid Kirtchner.  Paul switched to bass when Stu left.  Stu died of a
>>brain hemorrhage, in '61 or '62, I forget exactly when it was.

>but where do you count jimmy nichols and billy preston?  not to mention
>yoko and pete best's mother!  :-)

IMHO, the most qualified candidate will always be ...

				(drum roll, please)



	The inimitable *George Martin*!!!

Does anyone really think they would have accomplished half as much in the
studio without him?? Get serious!!

Orchestral arrangements, Vocal arrangements, occasional keyboards, sound
effects (ala the Goons), different instruments, and a terrific amount of
editing different takes and pieces together ... (have I forgotten anything)

If you can think of any ONE person had nearly as much influence with The Beatles
I'd like to hear about it.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Subject: Re: Patrick Dubbrow
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:56:43 GMT

In article <MePLWbq00awA4AGUd7@andrew.cmu.edu> bl2m+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Benjamin D. Lukoff) writes:
>Patrick Dubbrow wanted me to post this for him . . .

>. . . I checked with the recording engineers here at
>Carnegie Mellon Recording Studios and they informed me that two-track is
>indeed stereo if it is mixed stereo....
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's the crux of the argument here.  

--Joe Brennan
From: tahonen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Timo Ahonen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Sgt. Pepper's #6?
Date: 20 Jul 92 12:15:08 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Computing Centre

In article <92199.142426RSK113@psuvm.psu.edu> RSK113@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>     I just picked up a copy of the new Rolling Stone (The one with Springsteen
>on the cover) and I have a question.  In the back they always print the US/UK
>charts from two weeks before release date  ( This issue's charts were for the
>week ending July 4). Anyway, on the UK album chart, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely
>Heart's Club Band by The Beatles (of course) was listed as #6. This seems kind
>of high for an album released over 20 years ago (even if it is The Beatles :-))
>.  What I am wondering is: Did they re-release the CD in the UK or something
>that I missed; something that would account for a surge in the album's sales.
>Any info would be greatly appreciated!
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>-------------------------------------------------------------------------

I've thought that the TV documentary "The Making of Sgt. Pepper" was 
broadcast in Britain quite recently (correct?), and that caused the re-
re-...-charting of SPLHCB. Still, # 6 is really amazing: talk about the 
power of TV... :-)

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