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From: speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: MUSLUMAN TURK(IYE) GELENEKLERI (Re: Turk(iye) gelenekleri)
Keywords: none
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:47:38 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <C0Hwzy.D9x@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut) writes:
|In article <3304.9301061112@thor.cf.ac.uk> speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel 92) writes:
|>Fakat benim vurgulamaya calistigim, Maestro gibi ZINDILKlarin
|>hic bir sey bilmeden okumadan DIN nedir arastirmadan ortaya cikip
|>DIN adina konusup birde TURK halkini boyle rencide etmeleridir. Hayat
|>bilgisi kitabi ise mecazi manada kullanilmistir.
|
|Yanlis anlama icin uzgunum...

Muhim olan sonundada olsa anlasmak.

|
|Islam'in butun bir din olup olmadigi konusunda bir sey soyleyemeyecegim.

Siz istediginiz gibi dusunme hakkina sahipsiniz. Bana gorede ISLAM butun
bir dindir. 


|Ancak, sizin Islam icin istediginiz saygiyi, biz de baska seyler icin 
|istiyoruz. Ornegin, "Turk=Musluman" olmadigini dusunenlere de saygi
|gosterilmesi. 

Iste burada bir noktaya daha parmak basmak lazimdir. Dikkat ederseniz 
baslangicta bu nette muslumanlar ISLAM DINIne yapilan saldirilar
karsisinda kendilerini gosterdiler. Kimsenin kimseye nicin soyle
veya boyle inaniyorsun dedigi yoktur. ISLAM DINInin bir presibi geregi
zaten biz kimsey inanmaya zorlayamayiz. Bu konuda baskida yapamayiz.

TURK=MUSLUMAN diyen inanan hic bir musluman ben sahsen
tanimadim. Nette bir iki kisi yazdi. Bu terim Maestro
ZINDIGI tarafindan (yanilmiyorsam) ortaya atildi. Buda musluman
ve TURK halkini rencide edebilmek icindi. Ben TURK=MUSLUMAN
olduguna kendim inanmiyorum. Inanmayanlarada niye inanmiyorsun
diyemem. TURK=ISLAM diyenlerede bunu ispatlamalarini sorarimki
ispatlayacaklarini zannetmiyorum. Fakat su da unutulmamaliki
TURK halki uzun seneler ISLAM dininin hizmetkarligini yapmis.
O DINI Avrupalara kadar tasimis ve ISLAM MILLETi icerisinde onemli
yeri olan bir halkdir. 


Emre bey kardesim, bak seninle ayni seyleri herzaman olmasada 
paylasabiliyoruz. Anlasmak mumkundur. Saygi isterseniz sizde
saygili olmalisiniz. Nette cikip milletin inanclarina kufur
ediliyor. Peygamberine, Yaradanina herturlu iftiralar atiliyor
hakaret ediliyor. Karsilik verilince hemen olmaz kardesim bize
saygi duyun deniliyor. Siz mesela bu nette (inanip inanmadiginizi
bilmiyorum) muslumanlara o KAYA ve Maestro denilen iki KAFIR
saldirinca cikip olmaz arkadas boyle yapmayiniz herkes istedigi
gibi inanir. Karsilikli saygili olunuz dedinizmi ?

Cifte standard uygulamayalim. Saygiysa herkese saygi, muslumanada
ateistede, budistede, vs. vs. Ama dersenizki herkese saygi
fakat muslumana degil o zaman ne olacaktir ?

|-- 
|Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
|Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
|Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Saygilarimla

Ercan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: MUSLUMAN TURK(IYE) GELENEKLERI (Re: 
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 11 Jan 93 01:13:06 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

  
> ...,aynen Ataturk zamanindaki  
> hatta daha da kotu,uzerinizden silindir gecmis gibi olacaksiniz.  
  
O devirler gecti evladim....'ulus'la 'millet' arasindaki farki  
gozetmekten aciz bir adamin ilkelerini Turk Ulus'u artik yutmuyooor...  
  
> Bu millet sizin gibi 3-5 gotu bokluya teslim olmaz,hosgoru dedikse  
  
Once 'millet' nedir, ne degildir ogren sonra bu kelimeyi agzina al...  
  
> o kadar da degil,her seyin bir siniri var,haddinizi bilin!  
  
Ataniza son goravinizi olsun tam yerine getirin, gosterin bakalim  
'din' kelimesini Ataniz nasil kullanmis ?  
Aksi halde Ataniza yatacak yer kalmayacak....dikkat edin...  
Turk Ulusu'nun sabri tasiyor...  
   
> Mete Ulas Basaran  
  
Ete, Mete...
From: Guven.Guzeldere%STANFORD.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (hq.ggg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: News/Haber
Date: 9 Jan 1993 15:06:31 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Item: soc.culture.turkish 54659,  8 Jan 93,  34 lines.    (47 items left)
From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Subject: spor haberleri.




TUrkiye'den gelen basketbol haberleri:

-----------------------------

Orhun'un sakatligi sonrasi ilk kez oynadigi macta Fener Clear Cantu'yu
11 sayi farkla yendi. Boylelikle son macinda Hirvatistan'da 12 sayi farkla
yenilse bile ilk 8'e girecek. Grupta durum soyle :

           O G M
 1. Cantu  5 3 2
 2. Fener  5 3 2
 3. XXXX   5 2 3
 4. Hirvat 5 2 3
    takimi

  Efes'in grubunda ise durum soyle :

           O G M
 1. Efes   5 5 -
 2. Zarago 5 3 2
 3. Hapoel 5 3 2
 4. Riga   5 2 3
 5. Sloven 5 2 3
 6. CSKA   5 - 5

-------------------------------
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: Mustafa Kemal Pasa'nin Babasinin Kimligi ile Alakali bir Arastirma
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:06:35 GMT

In article <9761.9301051248@thor.cf.ac.uk> spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92) writes:
>In article <C0C8z4.Ktq@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut) writes:
>
>Emre bey, Tr deki adalet ile ilgili yaziniz cok guzeldi. Bununla beraber
>a$agidaki cumlenizin yanli$ oldugunu belirteyim.
>|
>|Boyle iddialari Islamci kesimin gazetelerinden Tercuman'da bulmak gayet
>|dogal.:-}
>
>Tercuman gazetesi liberalist, kapitalist zihniyetin temsilcisi
>durumundadir ve Islami kesim Tercumana bir Islamci gazete diye bakmaz.
>Tercuman ayni zamanda DYP nin yayin organi durumundadir. Tabii bir kac
>ay icinde degi$medi ise.
>

Bu soylediginiz sizin bakis acinizdan dogru gozukebilir. Ama bugun
Turkiye'de sokakta yuruyen 100 kisiye sorsaniz, 95% confidence interval'la
alacaginiz sonuc sudur:

Sola egimli gazeteler: Cumhuriyet, Milliyet

Ortaci gazeteler: Hurriyet, Sabah
		  Ki bunlar icin biz tiraj yapalim da, ideolojiyi bosver
		  gazetesi de denebilir.

Saga egimli gazeteler: Tercuman, Turkiye, Zaman

-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:13772 talk.politics.mideast:24643
From: mot@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mustafa O. Tanrikulu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: Re:Libel &Fraud Continues on UseNet
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:36:14 GMT
Organization: UB
Originator: mot@ozan4.eng.buffalo.edu


Hello everyone,

After days of struggle between Mr. Davidian and Mr. Dogan,
I went to our library today and found the famous book,
"The Emergence of Modern Turkey", written by Bernard Lewis,
second edition, Oxford University Press, 1968. It has a note
saying that "Issued under the auspices of the Royal Institute
of International Affairs". On page 356, I found the paragraph 
quoted by Mr. Davidian. He quoted the paragraph exactly, not a word
is missing, or not a word is added. I believe that Mr. Dogan
is also saying the truth (at least his book's truth). Otherwise 
it would be very stupid since everybody has an easy access to the 
libraries and to the book.

I think we have a very interesting situation here. Either Mr. Dogan
is not telling the truth which I do not believe (the reason is above)
at the moment or the two copies of the same book are different which
is also hard to believe. I do not know what others think, but I believe
it is important to resolve this conflict without accusing anybody.
Does anybody have any idea how to resolve this?

Have a nice day...

M. Okan Tanrikulu

ps : I do not have any FAX number. However if you are willing to send me
     the photocopies of your books' title pages before the contents section
     and pages 354-357 (the section about religious minorities), I will be
     glad to compare them. I am ready to pay for your expenses also. 

University at Buffalo
Dept. of Elect. and Comp. Engineering
201 Bell Hall, Box: 51
Buffalo, NY 14260


* Buffalo, home of the BILLS... 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.turkish:14010 alt.conspiracy:13880
From: ehsan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Ehsanullah Ateeqi)
Subject: Re: MUSLUMAN TURK(IYE) GELENEKLERI (Emre'ye)
Keywords: none
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:45:27 GMT

In article <C0Jvvn.Dp5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre
Erkut) writes:
> In article <7880.9301081247@thor.cf.ac.uk> speeo@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Ercan Otemel 92) writes:
> >Emre bey kardesim, bak seninle ayni seyleri herzaman olmasada
> >paylasabiliyoruz. Anlasmak mumkundur. Saygi isterseniz sizde
> >saygili olmalisiniz. Nette cikip milletin inanclarina kufur
> >ediliyor. Peygamberine, Yaradanina herturlu iftiralar atiliyor
>............
> Su ana kadar anlayabildiyseniz ben ne 'o' ne de 'bu' tarafi
> tutuyorum. Bazilari Islam'in din olmadigini, Muhammet'in peygamberden
> cok subyanci oldugunu vs iddia ediyorsa, siz bundan tabi ki rahatsizlik
> duyacaksiniz. Sizin en cok deger verdiginiz seyleri adam curutmeye
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> calisiyor. 

  Emre Bey, "Siz" ile kastettiginiz kimlerdir? Siz kendiniz, Hz. Muhammed'in
  manevi sahsiyetine "en cok deger vermiyor musunuz?" Eger bir muslu-
  man iseniz (ki insaallah oyledir) basta "Islam'in bir din olduguna"
  inanmaniz ve Hz. Muhammed'e (SAV) yoneltilen iftiralara en azindan
  muteessir olmaniz gerekmez mi? Bunu sormamin sebebi kimseyi rencide 
  etmek veya zor durumda birakmak degil, eger ortada bir yanlis anlama 
  varsa duzeltilmesidir.

>            Ama burada amaci dogrudan kufur etmek mi, yoksa curutmek mi,
> aksini kanitlamak mi bilinmez. Beni sasirtan olay, Maestro, Kaya, vs
> bir yazi yazdi mi sizin cevrenizden olanlarin ( bu sozu kullanirken
> rahatsiz oluyorum ama soyle veya boyle bir grubu kastetmek durumundayim )

  Ben de bunu tekrar sormaktan rahatsiz oluyorum, ama "sizin cevreniz"
  ile ne kastediyorsunuz? Bana ortada kesinlikle bir karisiklik varmis 
  gibi geliyor. Duzeltilirse sevinirim.

> tepkisi pek de seyrek olmayan bir sekilde daha saldirganca oluyor.
> Siz de onlarinkinden daha guclu "argument"lar yazin, oyle tartisilsin.
>
> Emre Erkut

Saygilar.
Ehsan




























Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: baysan@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Okan Baysan)
Subject: Cyprus....who does it belong to??? Turkish and Greek Cypriots
Summary: Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, and Greek Cypriot South Cyprus
Keywords: Cyprus
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 01:39:27 GMT
Expires: January 1995

In article <1993Jan11.164918.10088@ac.dal.ca> bibr0027@ac.dal.ca writes:

>I really do not get it.....So who owns Cyprus?  ...the greeks
>or the turks?...

Northern Cyprus for the Turkish Cypriots and Southern Cyprus for the
Greek Cypriots.

>Every time I talk to a greek person...all they want to do is kill
>or turks....while many turks really don't care about the island.

Have you heard about Enosis, union of Cyprus with Greece? This is the
long term goal of the Greeks/Greek Cypriots. To make Cyprus a Greek
island eventually; therefore, all other non-Greeks in Cyprus must be
assimilated or somehow taken care of. 

>Why is it when people leave from Lebanon to Cyprus they
>go to Larnaka to catch an airplane to London and not 
>the Turkish side?  

Because of the Greek Cypriot ambargo, the airport in Northern Cyprus
is boycotted internationally. They claim that it is not 'legal'. 
Nevertheless, Turkish Airlines, Cyprus Turkish Airlines, Istanbul Airlines
and Noble Air flies to Ercan, the international airport in Northern Cyprus.
For your info. the airport code is ECN. 

>It is only an island...why doesn't one party, either one..
>just leave.  Greeks and Turkey are two large countries..

Assuming your logic is the norm today, which one do you think should 
claim the island; Greece which is 500+ miles away or Turkiye which is
40 miles away? :)

>Hey I have an idea....just give it to Lebanon...ahahhaha

NOTTTT ! Well, the southern part is becoming a Lebenon anyway...

>Thanks

You are welcome.

>
>
>John

Cheers,
Okan Baysan

-- 
  "Unless this small Turkish Community -forming a part of the Turkish race
   which has been the terrible enemy of Hellenism- is expelled from Cyprus,
   the duty of the heroes of EOKA can never be considered as terminated."
                  MAKARIOS, Panayia, 4 September 1962
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: mario@meng.emory.edu (** maestro **)
Subject: MUSLUMAN GELENEKLERI
Summary: none
Keywords: none
Reply-To: mario@meng.emory.edu
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:48:33 GMT


Musluman Turk(iye) gelenekleri hoslarina gitmedi. "Mustekreh" buldular.
Hadi biraz da Musluman geleneklerinden bahsedelim.
Hani su  Zuhruf suresi, ayet 31, Allah kelami kolelik caizdir,hatta
Allah'in tertibidir buyuran, o "muthis" kitaba inanan,kicini yikamasini
bile bilmeyen, petrol'leri kuruyunca veya baska bir enerji kaynagi
yaygin kullanilmaya baslayinca (ki cok yakindir) tekrar geldigi yere,
colun ortasina, yagli parmaklarini pilav kazanina daldirmaya donecek
sefil araplarin geleneklerinden.

Cehalletten donmus, kaliplasmis,ortacagda ulastigi yuksek uygarlik
duzeyinin de cok gerilerine dusmus,kendi kendini bile yineleyemeyen,
kendi kendisinin karikaturu olmus Islam dunyasinin geleneklerinden.

Hani o Ankara`ya resmi ziyaret yapip Anitkabir'i es gecen,Konya'da 
seriat'ci mitingine giden hokkabazlarin,Ingiliz altinini alinca
Osmanli askerlerinin bogazini kivrik kisa bicaklariyla kesen, o pek de
insana benzemeyen,yilisik fettah'larin geleneginden.

Televizyon da Allah oldur bilmemne suresi bilmem kacinci ayet yayini,
sokakta adam basi molla sariklilarin,kara carsafli karilarin,on bir
yasindaki sabi subyan'in alnina sehit yazip,ak kefenini daha cepheye
gitmeden once giydirip,ellerine de celik comak verenlerin, kadin ve
cocuklari zehirli gazlarla oldurenlerin geleneklerinden.

Ve ozene bezene,onlardan alinan din'den!

Kaya Guralp yazilarina,islam'in yerel Bedevi din'i oldugunu one surerek
baslamisti. O zaman'in iman,ahlak ve adalet sistemi, Caginin
"kaldirabildigi" oranda uygulanmis,col bedevisinin anlayacagi oranda
aciklanmis,algilayabilecegi orneklerle bezenip ozendirilmis bir butun
diyordu. Baldiriciplak bedevinin hosgorebilecegi kadar kadin ozgurlugu,
onaylayabilecegi kadar kolelik.

Oyle ya, su cennet bakiniz,neresinden bakarsaniz bakiniz bir Arap cenneti!
Vaha,hurma,su dibi,golge,serinlik..Cehennem col cehennemi,sicak,alev,ates
filan..Oysa cennette sedirler,minderler,av etleri..Neden hurma var da,
ananas,kiwi,guava,avakado yok? Hadi bakalim!

Maestro Can
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: How Scales are formed in Turkish Music
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:12:47 GMT
X-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


Scale is somewhat of a misnomer.  The basis of Turkish music is dortlu
or besli that is a collection of 4-5 related notes.  These are the basis
of a 'scale' with additional notes added in for flavor and color.  

There are some 'scales' that are widely used.  These are tam dortlu --
full groups of 4 since the addition of the 3 intervals in these 4 notes
adds up to 22 koma (1/9th interval in a whole step).  

Chargah, Buselik, Kurdi, Rast, Ussak, and Hicaz are these basic 4somes.  

Chargah -- The native place for chargah is chargah or Do.  The pattern
-------    of intervals between the 4 sounds is: 

 9 Koma (referred to as tanini, abbreviated as T)
 9 Koma or T
 4 Koma (referred to as Bakiye, abbreviated as B)

So, to get this foursome at its native location of Chargah or Do, go one
tanini, getting to Yegah or Re, another tanini, getting to Huseyni
Asiran, add one bakiye, getting to Acem Asiran

So it would go T T B up the scale.  Do Re Mi Fa in Western notation

Buselik -- the pattern is TBT.  Its native location is dugah, or La
-------
So Simple Buselik would go as La Si Do Re

Kurdi  -- the pattern is BTT.  Its native location is also dugah or La
-----
Kurdi goes in simple form as La, Si flat, do, re

Rast -- the pattern is TKS.  K stands for Kucuk Mucenneb, 5 komas.
----    Its native location is rast or sol.  

It goes in simple form as Sol, La, Fazla Si (Koma or Fazla Buselik), and
Do.  

Ussak -- the pattern is KST, native at Dugah or La.
-----
It goes in Simple Ussak as La, Fazla Buselik, do, re

Hicaz -- pattern is SAS.  A stands for Artik ikili, worth 12 komas.
-----
Native of Dugah or La.

La, Buselik Bakiye, do flat, re

----------------------

Interesting notes: (for me at least) 

The important idea is the pattern used, not where the scale begins.  If
Buselik begins not at its native dugah (la) butsome other location, it
is still buselik, but will be referred to something like Huseyni'de
buselik dortlusu -- Buselik at Huseyni.  

A sharp is worth 4 koma, a flat 5 koma in Turkish music.  Western
notation would be that they are each worth 4.5 koma.  My book says that
this is an approximation made around the time of Bach in Western Music
and that the original form had the flat and the sharp not quite equal.
My classical guitar instructor agrees but I haven't looked it up
anywhere else.  

Next -- some common forms of Turkish music.  What is the difference
between Yuruk Semai and Kar-natik for example?

regards,
Deniz Akkus
From: v999saum@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Varnavas A. Lambrou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: RE: Cyprus....who does it belong to???
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

At last!! A Turkish Cypriot with an open mind.
Not a fanatic, not a racist.
Somebody who thinks and then acts.
Somebody with whom, one day we, the Greek Cypriots, could come in understanding.
THERE IS STILL HOPE!!!!!

>>From: terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu)
>>Subject: Re: Cyprus....who does it belong to???
>>Date: 12 Jan 93 14:59:31 GMT
>>Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

In article <1993Jan12.145931.26747@ee.rochester.edu> 
terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglou) writes:

>>In article <1993Jan11.164918.10088@ac.dal.ca> bibr0027@ac.dal.ca writes:
>I really do not get it.....So who owns Cyprus?  ...the greeks
>or the turks?...

>>Does a distinct national group have to "own" it? A question to you: Who 
>>owns United States of America?!!
>>(a tough one!)

TRUE. Cyprus is owned by the Cypriots. The Greek, Turkish, Latins Cypriots.

>Every time I talk to a greek person...all they want to do is kill
>or turks....while many turks really don't care about the island.

>>All I can tell you is that you were very unlucky to meet fanatic Turks and/or
>>Greeks.

I will agree with no hesitation. Of course there are fanatics from both sides.
Let's hope the reasonable people are more than the fanatics.

>Why is it when people leave from Lebanon to Cyprus they
>go to Larnaka to catch an airplane to London and not 
>the Turkish side?  

>>Because the Republic in the North (Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) is not
>>recognised, yet. When you get the TRNC stamp on your passport, some countries'
>>pride gets hurt and they give you trouble.

It is not only their pride that it is hurt. There is a whole bunch of UN 
resolutions that state clearly: "There is only one state in Cyprus: The
Cyprus Government, with Mr. Vassileiou as President." The north part of Cyprus
is under Turkish military occupation, and it is inaccessible to all tourists,
or visitors. There are negotiations being taken place, between the Cyprus
Government and the representatives of the Turkish Cypriots, who live at the 
north, in order to come to a solution to the Cyprus problem.

>It is only an island...why doesn't one party, either one..
>just leave.  Greeks and Turkey are two large countries..

>>For people who live there, it is more than an island. It is homeland. You 
>>could only understand this if you lived there.

How true the above is. Imagine being forced to look at your home of birth
just 1 mile away, and not being allowed to go and stay in it, again.
Cyprus is our homeland. 

>
>Hey I have an idea....just give it to Lebanon...ahahhaha

>>jerk!!!!

I coudn't agree more.

>Thanks
>
>John


>>No sweat.
>>E.T.

Thinking Ahead,
		Varnavas A. Lambrou
From: aabiyaba@edag.ptdg.sharp.co.jp
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Islamic World News
Date: 10 Jan 93 10:53:11 GMT
	<1993Jan10.045006.5979@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
Organization: Production Technology Lab., SHARP Corp., Tenri, Nara, Japan
In-reply-to: enis@cbnewsg.cb.att.com's message of 10 Jan 93 04:50:06 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.045006.5979@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, enis@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (enis.surensoy) writes:

[previous article deleted]

enis.surensoy> 	I really do not believe the Islamic World other than Turks
enis.surensoy> 	gives a damn to the horrible crimes Serbian murderers are 
enis.surensoy> 	committing to Turks and other Moslems in former Yugoslavia.

Salaam Alaikum Enis,

If by "Islamic World" you mean the shameless governments that we have, 
you're right: they don't give a damn.  Not about about their own subjects 
and certainly not about other.  But there are countless ordinary Muslim 
who do give a damn and are doing whatever they can. 

This non-Turkish writer has literally cried and been unable to concentrate 
on work for weeks because he doesn't have the means to physically go there 
and do something.  Bosnia is the loudest call for jihad among many.  I am 
ashamed at my weakness and inaction.  If the spirit of Muslims is dead what 
use is there in living in this world anymore?  Will anyone hear?

	And you will not be able to make the dead hear;
	nor those deaf to the call when they turn away.
	And you cannot guide the blind from their darkness.
	You will only have those hear who believe in our
	signs and have submitted [to Allah].
		-free translation of end of sura Rum.

WasSalaam,
Ahmed Biyabani

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From: kayaalp@seas.smu.edu (Mehmet M. Kayaalp MD)
Subject: Kitaplari Yakalim!
Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:07:33 GMT


        "KITABA REKOR CEZA

        Ankara DGM, Newrozladik  Safaklari  adli  kitabin  yazari
Edip  Polat'a 2 yil hapis, 50 milyon para; yayinci Hikmet Kocak'a
da 1 milyar 728 milyon lira para cezasi verdi."

        "OLAYLARIN ARDINDAKI GERCEK - Duyarli ve Sagir...

        (...) Gazetelerimiz, "Kitaba Verilen Rekor Ceza" haberine
birinci sayfalarinda yer verecekler midir? Acaba bu konu kimsenin
tepkisini cekecek midir? Toplum bu olaya,  Tanju  Colak  davasina
oldugu gibi ilgi gosterecek midir? (...)

        Fikir ozgurlugunden yoksun bir toplumun demokratik oldugu
soylenebilir mi? Kitaba, yazarina, yayinciya hapis ve para cezasi
ne demek? Yuzlerce yil once Voltaire'in soyledigi gibi, bir fikre
katilmayabilirsiniz,  ancak  fikrini soyleyen kisinin anlatim oz-
gurlugune karsi cikamazsiniz. Bize cok  ters  gelen  dusuncelerin
serbestce  yayimlanmasi icin gerekli ortam yaratilmadan demokrasi
gerceklesemez. (...)"

        Yukaridaki haber basligi ve "Olaylarin Ardindaki  Gercek"
sutunundaki  yorumun  bolumleri, Cumhuriyet Hafta Gazetesinin 1-7
Ocak 1993 sayili nushasindan alinmistir.  Ilgilenenlere  saygiyla
duyurulur.

-- 
Mehmet M. Kayaalp, M.D.         phone(w): (214)768-1469 (voice-mail)
Computer Science Department     fax     : (214)768-3085 
Southern Methodist University   phone(h): (214)706-5982
Dallas, Texas 75275-4191        E-mail  : kayaalp@seas.smu.edu 
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