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From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: flying changes
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:02:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Oct6.190213.22560
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

>In article <92275.140650WEAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>,
>Wendy Allison <WEAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>>Does anyone out there have a "trick" for cuing a flying change?  My horse
>>knows how to do them, but I don't know exactly how to cue him, or more
>>specifically, WHEN to cue him.  

       Just before the moment of suspension.  A well-trained hunter 
taught me how to do it right.  If asked at the wrong time, he'd change
right then, even though it was difficult for him, and I could feel
him scramble to do it.  Then he'd start bucking to show he was angry
with me.  He had me doing it right after about three tries.

					John Nagle
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jhusvar@mcs.kent.edu (John Husvar)
Subject: Strange Symptoms
Originator: jhusvar@Condor.mcs.kent.edu
Organization: Kent State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:36:23 GMT

My half-arab has developed some odd symptoms since Saturday. Perhaps
someonne can help. 

He has dark, thick urine, coughing only when exercised, and temperature of
102 (f)..Last week he seemed to be having troouble handling a cool snap
and I had to blanket him. He had a hard day of work on saturday ( he
wanted to stay in front of the pack during a trail ride.) Sundday he had 
light ring work to prevent tying up. turnout on Monday.

The only thing that has changed in his care is diffferent hay two weeks ago.
First and second cutting mix.

Previous hay was a little better quality but from the same supplier.
Except for the above, all other signs are normal and he's eating and drinking
well.

Any ideas will be appreciated.

Posted for My wife, Linda. Please place her name in subject line in 
e=mail replies.

Thanks,
John

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From: gnd@idaho.amdahl.com (Greg Darnell)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Riding School software in the UK - does it exist???
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:51:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: tetons.10318
Organization: Amdahl Corp., Rexburg, ID

In article <199210051624.AA23240@world.std.com>, 
   C20211@prime-a.plymouth.ac.uk (John Horne) writes:
> 
> My friend wants to computerize her riding school accounts, and if possible
> her records for her horses, vet visits, costs, farriers, customers, etc, etc.
> It should run on an IBM PC compatible, and be cheap! 

I looked at an package that does most of this that I got from some PC
shareware distributor.  It had databases for horse and owner info,
farrier and vet scheduling, etc so it might work for her.  I found it
too limited; for example, assuming that all horses were on the same
shoeing schedule.  

If John or anyone else is interested I can try to find more details,
it's on a floppy somewhere at home.

Greg

-- 
 Greg Darnell    Amdahl Corporation    143 N. 2 E., Rexburg, Idaho 83440
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Dennis Blythe)
Subject: Support against Inhumane Slaughtering
Keywords: support
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:57:41 GMT


  Foriegn countries are buying horses at auctions in the U.S 
and killing them inhumanely over sea's. There is no protection
for these horses being destroyed this way, we have no rights
to how American horses are destroyed overseas. The only solution
is to turn to the domestic front. If we tighten the laws on
how horses are exported, like resting the horses after so many hours 
and watering and feeding, and keeping logs on it, and limiting how 
many horses are exported foriegn countries under humane supervision
and controls, foreign countries will realize that it costs 
too much to get these horses from the states. That would stop the 
inhumane slaying of these animals. 

If anyone is interested in helping, there is more on this subject 
in the nov. issue of HORSE illustrated. Or you can contact the Coalition
Against the Horse Slaughter Trade, PO Box 907, penngrove, CA 94951
Or call (707) 762-3644
 
  The Coalition offers info on petitions and info on how to support
 the fight against inhumane slaughtering.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt)
Subject: Good lesson stable near Lexington, Kentucky?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:49:54 GMT

I have a friend who has just started taking riding lessons, and loves them.
She's only had about 5 lessons, in "generic English".  Anyway she's moving
to Lexington for about 4 months and wants to keep riding if she can.  Does
anyone know of a decent stable or instructor for a beginning rider, 
somewhere around Lexington?  She may not have a car so she's especially
looking for a place that's walking or biking distance from the university,
or accessible by a bus.  E-mail to me and I'll pass the info to her.
Thanks!

Kathleen

P.S. I passed my orals!!
-- 
Kathleen Hunt //  U.W. Zoology //  jespah@u.washington.edu 
  Safety tip:  Never point a loaded storm-petrel at anyone.
From: amandar@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Help for London
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:37:06 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

I'm looking for a place to live in London this November and December...
If you can help, please e-mail!

I am very experienced in schooling hunters/jumpers, and Saddle horses...

I can also shovel with the best of them!


AmandaR@yang.earlham.edu
Amandar@earlham.bitnet
From: kyle@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Kyle Karnosh)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: re: founder???
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:16:34 GMT
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA

Tracy writes :

>Laminitis and founder are a potential complication
>to certain other illnesses such as colic and also complicated birthings
>(caused in this case by a retained placenta).

----------

As a side note, all it takes is the right kind of uterine infection
post foaling to result in laminitis and founder. Although a retained
placenta is a good way to get this kind of infection, it is not the only
way. This happened to one of our mares following a fairly normal foaling
with no retained placenta (no pieces missing,vet checked it twice). 
She developed an infection and by the time she started showing a discharge,
 she was already showing other symptoms as well :-(  Luckily, prompt action
helped limit the damage to one foot, and lots of nursing got her
through it ok :-)


Kyle Karnosh
Con Brio Farms
Quality Warmblood Sporthorses
Gilroy, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Subject: GIF's of Horses?
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:09:43 GMT

Hi!

	Does anyone know the whereabouts of any GIF's of horses?
From: clinard@cs.utk.edu (Michelle Clinard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Saddlebreds and Shows
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:21:57 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennessee, Knoxville

In article <1992Sep26.000623.19663@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> lbm@avs.com (Linda B. Merims) writes:
>- Don't judge the American Saddlebred by what their show owners do
>  to them.  They are splendid creatures--beautiful, naturally gifted
>  movers, with the nicest gaits you'll ever sit on, and a BIG engine.
>
>  And a lot of them jump good, too.
>
>

My little Saddlebred, Maggie, (14.2hh) testifies to the versatility of
the breed, not only from horse to horse, but within an individual.  I
use to show her pleasure (she should have been shown as a walk-trot
pony, but around here those classes were few and far between).  On the
occasions when I could get Miss Hot-head to flat walk, we racked up.
She has an incredible natural headset, she even sets up in a halter.
So one day I decide that jumping looks really neat, so we should try it.
Not having any better sense, I stack up some old cedar trees about 3-4 
feet high, jumped on Maggie bareback, let her have her head (which
produced an immediate gallop) and off we went.  She musta cleared it by
a foot.  It was like flying.  She'd never jumped anything in her life,
but she never even slowed down.  I know better than to do this now,
but it was great at the time.  This mare is also a pleasure to drive,
and a absolute pet to boot.  She used to pull Radio Flyer sleds and wagons,
and drag things like cut-down trees around the pasture.  She also used
to love going for swims in the lake.


-Michelle, #1 Saddlebred fan.


>Holding it back for too long...
>
>Linda B. Merims
>
>
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: leading
Date: 25 Sep 92 14:59:49 GMT
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO

In rec.equestrian, sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:

    This a sign of a horse that does not respect your space.  You need to make
    it unpleasant for her to crowd you.  Try carrying a small board with a 
    tack taped to the end of it.  Let her bump into it, don't poke her with
    it.  She has to understand that crowding you is uncomfortable.

    Sue


Sorry Sue,
I stongly disagree here.  So far, this horse has been crowding.
It shows the horse does not know how to lead properly.  Rather
than going to the extream correction you suggest; how about just
carrying the riding crop and giving a light tap on the chest to
slow the horse down, and a light tap on the shoulder to move the
horse to the side.  If the horse does not respond to a light tap,
then a more agressive 3 taps (not whips, we're using the but end
of the crop here) on the chest will do the trick.  

There is no reason to go to a device that could potentially hurt 
the horse.  Why take a tack that will penetrate the skin and give
a sharp pain, when you can use a crop that won't penetrate the 
skin and can still give a sharp correction?  If the horse won't
respond to a crop used correctly, it won't respond to all the beating
in the world (I know Sue didn't mean a beating.  I'm just going
to the most extream case here.)  

First the horse needs to know what is expected.  The TEAM method
described is a good way to teach the horse what is expected.  Then
the horse needs to learn to obey.  Most horses when they understand
what to do, will do it.  Only the occasional mean ones will take
more time, and pushing a mean horse will not get good results.

Wendy
From: kloomis@cco.caltech.edu (Kate E. Loomis)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Letting Run Loose
Date: 1 Oct 1992 02:03:00 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

Jean Andrews <ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Since my last post I have a question and would really like to see which
>way you all think I should go.  Should I let our Pai (mare) run loose
>with the other mares every other day or not!?!

>The situation is we are still having some construction done so to get
>up to the field, they go through some woods, which is fine, but woods are 
>woods and they have to bypass where the dumptrucks have been, very 
>uneven ground.  Also passing a broken down trailer and camper.  I've been
>told by the previous owners that since she is a passive horse, the other
>horses will beat up on her and she may attempt to get into the broken
>down trailer.  So I said no way would I let her run.

other stuff deleted

>Can you all give me your advice and opinions.  I'd really appreciate it.

Your horse will not get beat up more if she is passive. In fact, if 
she is the wimpiest horse in the group and doesn't mind, she will get
beat up _less_ than if she jockeys for a higher position in the herd.
The horse most likely to get beat up is the horse who comes in thinking
it ought to be the _top_ horse!  

Other than that, it all depends on how the picking order "shakes out", as
someone else mentioned. I'm not sure how one would aid this. Someone 
said, if you have an idea where a horse will end up in the picking order, 
it helps. How do you factor that into which pairs of horses to put 
together first? Do you start with the horse that you think the new horse
will be closest to? 

Kate
From: melanie@cayman.amd.com (Melanie Typaldos)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Scrambling in the trailer
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:49:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc., Austin, Texas


Hi everyone,

Some time back I posted a message about not being able to get
my gelding to load into a trailer.  Well, I finally got a
trainer out who solved the problem.  I tried contacted our
local TTEAM trainer but if there's one truth about Austin,
it's that no one will return your calls.  (The trainer I
got was new to the area.)

Anyway, now that I am free to travel with my horses I
am having a problem with my mare.  She loads into the 
trailer beautifully and unloads just as well.  The problem
is that while she is in there she is scambling.  Saturday
she was making so much noise that I stopped the trailer
after about a mile to check on her.  Although she was
perfectly dry when I put her in, even after this short
distance she was completely covered with sweat and foam.
She'd caused the rubber mat to fold a little so I 
unloaded her and took it out.  She loaded right back up
with no problem but began scrambling even while the
trailer was just parked there!  She seemed to be throwing
herself from one side to the other.  In contrast, my
gelding rode very easily and was still perfectly dry
when we reached our destination, about 15 miles.

A couple of other facts which may or may not be related.
She used to rub her tail out when trailered, even 
through a tail wrap.  I've found that if I leave the
top half of the door on on her side that she arrives
with her tail intact.  Also, had always had a little
problem with this but was *much* worse this weekend.
Someone suggested that it might be that she didn't
like shipping boots so I took them off for the trip
home but it didn't make any difference.

If you've got any ideas, I'd love to hear them.

----Melanie
Melanie (Melanie Typaldos)        melanie@cayman.amd.com  
AMD 29K Systems Engineering
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:26:36 -0400 
From: Jean Andrews <ja23+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Letting Run Loose

Since my last post I have a question and would really like to see which
way you all think I should go.  Should I let our Pai (mare) run loose
with the other mares every other day or not!?!

The situation is we are still having some construction done so to get
up to the field, they go through some woods, which is fine, but woods are 
woods and they have to bypass where the dumptrucks have been, very 
uneven ground.  Also passing a broken down trailer and camper.  I've been
told by the previous owners that since she is a passive horse, the other
horses will beat up on her and she may attempt to get into the broken
down trailer.  So I said no way would I let her run.

Some people at the barn said she has to learn to know the other horses
and this is the only way to do this.  Also she may get too antsy and 
wound up if we do not let her run and will be harder to ride.
They said horses get very unhappy when they do not have this freedom.
She did have a paddock area and small pasture before she came to us and
I really don't want her to become unhappy.

We have been up every day this week and my daughter has been riding her
from an hour to two and then just spending time with her brushing her
and walking her and just loving her outside of her stall (tied).
I have made a commitment in her purchase and we will be up there no less
than every other day.  If the weather gets too bad there is a small 
arena (SMALL) that she can go into by herself for maybe a half hour.

Can you all give me your advice and opinions.  I'd really appreciate it.

Jean, Missi and Pai

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: sd345@city.ac.uk (COLLIER M P)
Subject: Test - Please Ignore This...
Organization: The City University
Distribution: rec
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:04:06 GMT

Please do not reply to this.

Thanks, Michael.
-- 
Michael Collier (Programmer)                 The Computer Unit,
Email: M.P.Collier@uk.ac.city                The City University,
Tel: 071 477-8000 x3769                      London,
Fax: 071 477-8565                            EC1V 0HB.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: prescott@rtsg.mot.com (Audrey Prescott)
Subject: Re: flying changes
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na   
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:13:10 GMT


A really good 'trick' for getting a flying lead change is to do a 
reverse half circle at the canter.  This obviously works best in an 
arena!  Say you are coming down the long side of the arena.  When you 
are approaching the corner, leg yeild away from the fence, and then 
reverse your direction by turing into the fence and back along the side
you just came down.  This would be much easier to describe with a picture.


   _
F |  \
E `'   \       Start at the bottom, end up at the N in fence.  Of course
N |    |       you need to make the half turn large enough so that the 
C     /        horse can turn.  But making it small is what causes that
E    /         horse to really want to do a lead change in order to keep
L   /          his balance.  
I  /
N ^
E |

Also, different horses work better with different cues.  My horse responds
best to a little inside rein and an outside leg.  For her the leg is most
important.  If she doesn't get it I tap her on the outside by my leg with 
a crop.  Another hunter I ride (ex-race horse) doesn't care about the leg.
The trick to her is pull the inside rein straight back from the elbow. 
Not up or out.  Works wonders with her.  Of couse I am not neck reining.

I would try the reverse half circle.  There are few horses I have riden who
don't get the lead change when confronted with being forced into keeping 
their balance.  Then you can move onto figure 8's!

Audrey Carroll

prescott@blue.rtsg.mot.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: vnemmer@max.sfc.sony.com (Veronica Nemmer)
Subject: WANTED: Dressage Saddle
Organization: SONY Advanced Video Technology Center San Jose, CA USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:35:39 GMT


I am new to the dressage world and am looking for a dressage saddle for my arab mare.  I would like to purchace a used Kiefer or Stubben.  I am a size 6 pant size if that helps one determine the size seat I would require.  I ride in a 15 1/2 western saddle.  My mare is good size with nice length of back.  You may e-mail me directly or post to the net or phone me at the office (408) 944-4981.

Thanks in advance (I hope)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: vnemmer@max.sfc.sony.com (Veronica Nemmer)
Subject: RECIPE: Horse Cookies
Organization: SONY Advanced Video Technology Center San Jose, CA USA
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:30:47 GMT


We currently are purchasing Pasture Cookies for our horse at the stable where I board.  They are small silver dollar size cookies made from what looks like alphalfa and mollases and pureed apples (who knows)  A while back someone posted a recipe for these or something similar.  If some one could repost the recipe it would be greatly appreciated.  Right now it costs twenty dollars for a five pound bag... so you see, they are very expensive.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: macaj2@cspyr1.cs.adfa.oz.au (MACKINNELL AMANDA)
Subject: Re: sentementality
Summary: brood mare?
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:49:29 GMT

In article <2345@gandalf.intel.com>, linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin) writes:
> decision.  But now I have Reba who, many of you may remember, has bone spavins.
> I have found a home for Reba.  The thought keeps crossing my mind that with
> her bone spavins, I may not be able to find a good home for her and I would
> rather put her down that risk her going to a bad home.  
> 
> Now the hard question.  I do not want to start any flame wars but if I have
> to put her down, do I have the vet do it or do I sell her to the meat
> market and get some money out of her.  I know this sounds cold and I really
> 
> Like I said, I do not want to start a flame war, but does anyone out there
> have any thoughts on this subject?
> 
> ***************************************************
> 	Linda Harbin       Hillsboro, Oregon 
> 	503-696-2261       linda@littlei.intel.com
> ***************************************************
	Is it possible,if you have to sell her, to stipulate that she is to be
used as a brood mare only? or just VERY carefully screen prospective buyers...

	A friend has just sold her 17 yr old mare who is stiff behind as
	a broodmare. She checked out the property that they owned before 
	selling her and hopefully Argoseul will be happy there.

	Amanda MacKinnell.......
From: jhusvar@mcs.kent.edu (John Husvar)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Brenderup
Date: 4 Oct 92 07:06:30 GMT
Reply-To: equestrians@world.std.com
Organization: Kent State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: news.bbn.com

For what it's worth, I have helped a friend on several trailer
repair projects. (one to the extent of an entire neqw skin)

This fellow does excellent work at very reasonableprices. BUT, He
is in Ohio...He may be reached at (216) 628-3737 or write 
K. George
1717 May Road
Mogadore OH 44260

Hope this helps

JJohn
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Stock Seat Equ. Saddle NEEDED!!
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:02:58 GMT

WANTED...NO, **NEEDED**


            ****************************************
            *                                      *
            *    WESTERN SHOW/EQUITATION SADDLE    *
            *                                      *
            ****************************************


The Stanford Equestrian Team is currently upgrading its Stock Seat
program. Western Coach Josie Alexander is looking for a nice western
saddle to be used in lessons and shows -- so silver or tooling would
be nice. What IS essential is that it be a saddle appropriate for
showing in Stock Seat Equitation classes -- no ropers, please!

I'm posting this for her, so please respond directly: 415-494-2515.

Tax deductible donations are WORSHIPFULLY received. Otherwise, a
fair but low price is a necessity.

Thanks for your help, and Goooooo Cardinal!

=gwyn.gordon@forsythe.stanford.edu