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From: mikec@cardinals.ctron.com (Mike "catman" Catalanotti)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: 2.1b can't create DOS environment
Keywords: OS/2 2.1 Beta
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:07:42 GMT
Reply-To: mikec@cardinals.ctron.com ()
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.
Originator: mikec@cardinals

Has anyone seen this with OS/2 2.1 Beta:

Upon boot up, the message:

	SYS1200:  The system cannot create the DOS environment.  The error
		  code is 0002.

Basically, something is looking for a file somewhere and it can't find it.
I have no idea what's missing.  I have compared my directory trees between
2.1b and GA and have found no *major* differences. I have also installed
2.1b on three different machines and got this same error message.

How can one run WINOS231 without at DOS environment?

Please help!

Mike Catalanotti     mikec@ctron.com
From: msaletni@jade.tufts.edu (Michael J. Saletnik)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 5.2 for OS/2 - Press Release!
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:58:43 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

>being jointly developed by MicroGrafx

To me, this implies use of the Mirrors product.  Which means it's a
Windows program running through an additional API layer doing Win/PM
translations.  The same thing as PM Chart.

I hope they rewrite the necessary features to allow HPFS filenames,
use of extended attributes (ie, on FAT systems listing files by
.LONGNAME), and so on, or this could be a big disappointment.

Especially if IBM doesn't get the postscript driver for PM to download
ATM fonts, instead of rasterizing them...

							Michael

--
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michael@binkley.ext.tufts.edu msaletni@pearl.tufts.edu
Manager of Computer Resources, Dept. of Civil Engineering
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: olavt@ulrik.uio.no (Olav Torvund)
Subject: Re: Why I switched to Windows
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:18:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.062007.10014@exucom.com> miket@exucom.com (Michael Teper) writes:


   I have been a Windows supporter all along up until OS/2 Came out. When it
   did, I installed it and tried it and LOVED it (even though I was only
   running with 4Mb RAM). Unfortunately, I had to switch back to DOS/Windows.

   The reason: lack of software !!!

   WinOS/2 was painully slow on my 386-33 and to date none of the
   applications I use daily are released for the OS/2...

   Here's a list:

   WordPerfect (I know it's coming out soon, but how about NOW)
	       (I mean the GRAPHICAL version, not text based)

   Page Maker or Quark Express

Yes, we need a DTP prorgram. Keep on asking for it!

   Excel or 1-2-3

????? I have had Excel 3.0 for OS/2 running for a long time (I have
removed it now, I do not support MS anymore). And 1-2-3 has been
around for a long time too. Currently you have to use version 1.1, but
version 2.0 will be out in a few weeks.

   Corel Draw

I think Corel Draw is available for OS/2.

   Also, there are no drivers for my video card out for OS/2 (Diamond Stealth
   VRAM)

   Now, give me a good reason to load up an OS that will eat up 25% of my HD
   space and give me nothing more than SLOOOOWW but protected (not even that
   at 100%) multitasking of the software I already multitask under DOS/Windows.

   Now, I do realize all the advantages of OS/2 but while there is no
   software that is written for it, I have to (with great sorrow) conclude
   that for me it is dead...

You may still have to wait a few weeks or months for your favourite
word processor. But when you have OS/2 2.1 and your word processor, I
do not see any reasons for not giving OS/2 another try. You will still
miss a DTP program. But OS/2 2.1 is reported to run Win 3.1 programs
just as fast (or even faster) thatn native Win 3.1. So your Windows
version of PageMaker will not run any better under Win 3.1.


   Win NT is already promises lots of Apps, but it is WAY too much of a hog
   (and who knows if they come through on those promises). So whats left out
   there OS-wise to chose from ? Can you say "DOS/Windows" ???? Sad, isnt it?


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From: stanton@haas.berkeley.edu (Richard Stanton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: W4W and the 2.1 beta..? font menu
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:32:28 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: haas.berkeley.edu

In article <1993Jan21.184609.9157@colorado.edu> doug@shako.Colorado.EDU (Doug McKnight) writes:
>I find that word for windows under the new 2.1b has no fonts visible in its
>font pull down menu. The menu is visible, it is just empty. The fonts are
>
>Any hints??

The LJIII printer driver is broken. Install the LJIIP driver instead, and this
should solve your problem (it worked for me)

Richard Stanton
From: lmp8913@zeus.tamu.edu (PRESTON, LISA M)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: MathCad anyone?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:24 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <21836@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>, ez003045@hamlet.ucdavis.edu (James E. Lee) writes...
->Well, speaking of zombies, I noticed that on PStat PM as well, when the  
->other night, I was trying to run Telemate 3.0, and it hung because OS/2
->thought something still had the comm port (I had been using PM Comm, but
->it was _closed_).  While I could do other stuff, killem didn't work to 
->bring it down, and PSPM2 couldn't touch it either...  I was mad, and  
->decided to just shut down, as similar things have happened, but shutting
->down seemed to work, but this time, my system would not shut down so I had
->to reboot...
-> 
->Anyone know of any more powerful process killer than killem, kill, or PSPM2?

	I had the same problem with cshow toggling the video settings fixed 
cshow, but I still had 2 dead 'uns that wouldn't go away!  I was able to
shutdown using the command line shutdown utillity from Hobbes(I don't know
which directory-probably 2.0/sysutils).

LISA

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: Mathematica for OS/2 exists!??
Originator: ben@ipoint
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: Ancient Illuminated Sears of Bavaria
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 04:47:00 GMT

An OS/2 version of Mathematica has not been announced.  Anything you
might hear about an OS/2 version is not official.  Don't believe
anything that is not official.  This isn't to say that one _won't_ be
announced (I don't know if one will or not); it's just to say that one
has not yet been announced.

--
Ben Cox (trust me on this)
thoth@uiuc.edu
From: claudio.fahey@idcbbs.com (Claudio Fahey) 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Mathematica 2.1 and Enhanced mode...
Date: 22 Jan 93 15:18:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: claudio.fahey@idcbbs.com (Claudio Fahey) 

To: janovetz@eehp3 (Jacob W Janovetz)

JWJ>    I read a message a few days back about Enhanced mode on the WIN-OS/2 3.1
JWJ>  for the OS/2 beta.  However, I just installed OS/2 2.1b today and that
JWJ>  message has long been lost in my memory.  Why doesn't WIN-OS/2 3.1 have a
JWJ>  386 Enhanced mode settings under the Control Panel?

JWJ>    If I migrate Mathematica 2.1 and run it, Mma says I have about 60,000 k
JWJ>  free, but it isn't run in Enhanced mode.
JWJ>    If I run Mma 2.1 in Win-OS/2, Mma says it the virtual memory device unde
JWJ>  Win-OS/2 is not big enough for it.

JWJ>    - The only way I can get Win-OS/2 to go to enhanced mode is with the
JWJ>  neat switch /3.  I remember someone mentioning something about the
JWJ>  Enhanced mode being set in the 'Settings' under Session - WIN OS/2 setting
JWJ>  However, like the message said, MY radio buttons are missing too.  Thanks.

Just reinstall the DOS/Windows part of OS/2 2.1 with Selective Install.
The Windows radio buttons are disabled probably because you're using SVGA
drivers.  There's a bug in the SVGA installation part that causes this
problem.
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From: bjorn@ludd.luth.se (Bjorn Fahller)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: OS2Speed
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:44:41 GMT
Organization: Lule} Tekniska H|gskolas Datorf|rening - Ludd
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Robert J. McNamara (rob@cad4.lbl.gov) wrote:

[ problems with 4dos 4.0x as secondary shell under os/2 described ]

: Hmm...now which author do I complain to?

Why not send the article you just wrote to JP softwares tech support?

The address is 75300.1215@compuserve.com
   _
/Bjorn.
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From: Arylnn.Poczynek@ttlg.UUCP (Arylnn Poczynek)
Sender: postmaster@ttlg.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: News on 2.1 Release
From: Spartacus/CUNY LC NY <LENBC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 22 Jan 1993 16:49:32 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <833qXB4w165w@tcscs.UUCP>, tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory
Youngblood) says:
>
>Who says no other software companies give free upgrades.
>
>I bought Turbo Pascal 6, and just a little while later 7 was released.  I
>called Borland and got a free upgrade, to BORLAND pascal 7 with everything.
>
>I thought that was VERY fair.  Personally I'd have been happy with TP7, but
>hey...they let me have BP7.
>
>Borland has a history of taking care of it's users...at least me and the
>ones I know.  When they released quattro pro 3 weeks after someone bought 2
>he got 3 free from borland.
>
>I dont know about other companies..but I enjoy using Borland products and
>appreciate the way they treat their customers.  The only other company to do
>anything similar in my experience has been IBM.
>
>Greg

Ahhmm, meanwhile I'm waiting for BP for OS/2 and I'm pretty sure
I'll be waiting a lot longer.  Now if IBM decided to make a pascal
compiler source code compatible with TP/BP all hugs and kisses to
IBM :-)  Naw, I doubt it will happen :(  hmmm ???

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------------------------------+             All The Best,
Reply To:                     |
     LenBC@CunyVM.Cuny.Edu    |             Edward Galarza
     LenBC@CunyVM.BitNet      |             Brooklyn College Of The
     IRC: Spartacus           |             City University Of New York
------------------------------+             "Que viva el OS/2! v2.1"
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From: lowey@jester.usask.ca (CrazyMan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard,comp.dcom.modems,usask.info.modems
Subject: OS/2 version of vcnvt available
Summary: Convert zyxel ADPCM to Soundblaster VOC format in OS/2
Keywords: OS/2 ZYXEL Soundblaster
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:46:02 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
NNTP-Posting-Host: jester.usask.ca
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

Hi,

I have ported the MS-DOS vcnvt program supplied by ZyXEL to run under
OS/2 2.0.  This program converts between ZyXEL modem ADPCM voicemail
files and Soundblaster .VOC file files.

I have tested the program, and it operates identically to the DOS version.
This includes some bugs in converting certain .VOC files to ADPCM files.
(I wanted to add a sound file of me saying "Hi there", but for some
reason it didn't convert correctly using either the DOS or OS/2 version)
A future version of the program will attempt to fix these bugs.

The program is available from ftp.usask.ca, in the file

      /pub/archives/modems/zyxel/vcnvtos2.zip.

- Kevin Lowey (Lowey@Sask.USask.CA)
>>>>> Anonymous FTP to FTP.USASK.CA for DOS, OS/2, and Windows programs <<<<<
From: jjs@ubitrex.mb.ca (John Joseph Strybosch)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Which wordprocessor?
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:12:36 GMT
Organization: Ubitrex Corporation, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1993Jan24.164320.12564@ousrvr.oulu.fi> ojtv@zombie.oulu.fi (Olli Vuolteenaho) writes:
>
>At first glance WP 5.2 for windows didn't seem to be very hot for an OS/2
>user. Describe might be a good one but their marketing strategy does
>not appeal to me (they don't offer a competetive upgrade, but instead
>graciously invite me to evaluate Describe 4.0 for $400 (!) (and this is
>educational institute pricing). Ami pro might be good but I haven't got
>any personal experience with it.

I've heard really good things about Ami Pro.  If the OS/2 
version measures up to the windows version, you will find
excellent import/export with Word.  I am probably going to
go with Ami Pro... I'm just hoping for a competative upgrade
from my WordPerfect Licences.  (WP is just too long in comming
with their PM version -- it was anounced before WP for windows)

JJ Strybosch
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: mitchell@cort (Burt Mitchell (x39688))
Subject: Quicken for Windows; printing problem
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co. - Clinical Diagnostics Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:26:11 GMT

I recently got Quicken for Windows version 2.  Everything seems to work
just fine under Win-OS2 until I go to print.  No matter what font I select
(except for Courier 10) it comes out as a very low resolution which I 
would be ashamed to get from an old dot matrix printer.

I have GA+SP installed printing to an HP DeskJet Plus.  Needless to say
any other Windows or OS2 program prints just fine.

Any ideas anyone?

Burt Mitchell  mitchell@serum.kodak.com

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: WordPerfect 5.2 for OS/2 - Press Release!
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 10:36:08 GMT


The following press release is posted here with out permission. It came
from Clari.nb.ibm, a ClariNet newsgroup. A great service (to quote sparingly).
:-)
 
**************************************************************************

OREM, UTAH, U.S.A., 1993 JAN 19 (NB) -- Wordperfect Corporation
continues its promise to support OS/2 as well as Windows with an
announcement that it will ship a graphical version of its popular word
processing program Wordperfect 5.2 for IBM's OS/2 operating system
this spring.

The company has also announced that Wordperfect 5.2 for Windows,
released in December, integrates with Digital Equipment Corporation's
TeamLinks 1.0 for Windows.

TeamLinks is an integrated workgroup program that enables PCs running
under Windows to integrate into enterprise-wide networks and take
advantage of Digital's electronic mail, file sharing, workflow, and
other workgroup applications. "It's particularly useful for Windows
users working in a VAX environment," Wordperfect spokesperson Liz
Tanner told Newsbytes.

Wordperfect 5.2 for OS/2 is being jointly developed by Micrografx,
and uses the same feature set as Wordperfect 5.2 for Windows. Its
file format is identical to that of Wordperfect 5.1 for DOS and 5.2
for Windows, making files created in the OS/2 version compatible
across the other platforms.

The company says WP for OS/2 will also be compatible with Wordperfect
Presentations and Wordperfect Office 4.0 for OS/2. Those programs are
scheduled for release by the third quarter, Tanner told Newsbytes.

Tanner said the company expects to ship Wordperfect for Windows 6.0
in the spring or summer of 1993.

(Jim Mallory/19930119/Press contact: Liz Tanner, Wordperfect,
801-228-5004; Reader contact: Wordperfect Corporation, 800-451-5151)

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From: me90plb@brunel.ac.uk (Paul L Barnfather)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: 2.1b won't run winos/2 (os2gdi.exe not found?) help!
Date: 27 Jan 93 12:04:37 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Gregory P. Smith (smithgr@rintintin.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
: I just installed OS/2 2.1b over my 2.0 GA installation and can't get it to
: run winos/2.  I did use selective install to reinstall dos/winos/2 files, but
: now it starts to load and flashes (very quickly) before exiting "os2gdi.exe"
: not found" or something like that.  I checked the drive and it's right, there
: isn't an os2gdi file..  How can I get it to work?  I'm using a 486/33 16megs,
: 50meg HPFS partition for boot, SpeedSTAR 24x SVGA (running in 640x480x256 mode
: [not fun to get a decent svgadata.pmi file for it...]).  Any help would be
: appreciated.

: Greg


I had this problem. When you did the selective install, did you get one of
those 'An error occurred while copying a file Y N A R I Do you want to retry ?'
messages. What seems to happen is that some of the .DLL's that Selective Install
wants to overwrite are 'locked' by OS/2. This is presumably because the DLL
is in use by Win-OS/2 2.0. Unfortunately, if an error occurs during the install
the system config is not updated (ie. Win-OS/2 2.1 will not be enabled). It 
says something about this in the on line help.

The thing to do is to note down the names of the files which don't get copied.
Boot from a floppy, and delete the .DLL's which could not be overwritten.
Now reboot and try Selective Install. Everything should proceed without errors,
and Win-OS/2 should work.

Hope this helps !

Paul.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: gtd543a@sol.crt.columbia.edu (death)
Subject: Re: Shareware BBS for OS/2 2.0?
Organization: Purgatory
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:26:16 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Reply-To: gtd543a@prism.gatech.edu
X-Posted-From: sundial.gatech.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Stephen Rice (umrice02@ccu.umanitoba.ca) wrote:
: Hi.  I'm looking for a BBS package that a friend has heard about for, 
: specifically, OS/2 Version 2.0 and, specifically, shareware or freeware.

: Does anyone have any idea about
: 	a)	What is this package called.
: 	b)	If such a package exists, where can I ftp or <* shudder *>
: 		download it from?

Maximum/2 is available, but I think it is full screen native mode not
a PM or strictly 2.0 app.
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From: grichard@cis.ohio-state.edu (Golden Richard)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Commercial comm programs for OS/2
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:34:05 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: swimming.cis.ohio-state.edu

In article <d9mikael.727613945@dtek.chalmers.se> d9mikael@dtek.chalmers.se (Mikael Wahlgren) writes:
>>I do not want "everything" without paying for anything.  I do expect a
>>comm program to manage 9600 baud transfers w/o bringing a 386-class
>>machine to its knees.   When m2zmodem is in use, my system is basically
>>unusuable for ANY other task.  Under the default high priority setting
>>(for 9600 baud+ transfers) the word "basically" doesn't even apply.
>>TE/2 uses the same COM.SYS that m2zmodem uses and manages not to bring
>>my machine to a crawl.  If TE/2 didn't crash occasionally with COM1
>>not available messages and had better zmodem error recovery, we
>>wouldn't be having this discussion.  For the record, my machine has a
>>16450 UART.
>
>What type of 386 machine are you talking about?  SX/DX ?? Mhz?  I still
>think your demands are higher than your willingness to pay for what you
>want.  On my PS/2 L40SX (20 Mhx 386/SX) ANY COM-program running at
>9600 bauds continously will put the machine into a crawl.  To demand
>that you with this type of computer should be able to do a lot of other
>things concurrently is to demand too much.

It's a 25 MhZ 30386SL.  What I'm demanding is that I be able to do
ANYTHING besides run m2zmodem.   I don't think I'm demanding too much,
since as I said, TE/2 does NOT bring my machine to a crawl.

>Why do you think you can't find any program that suits your demands?
>TE/2 crashes, M2Zmodem puts everything to a crawl and so on.  I wish

I think I can't find a (shareware) comm program to suit my needs because no one
has written one that's decent.   I can't see how you're going to blame
TE/2 crashes on the fact that I don't have a 66 MhZ '486.   And the
fact that TE/2 does pretty well except for those crashes leads me to
believe that m2zmodem is simply not written well.

>you all the luck in your search (you will need it)...  BTW if you 
>register TE/2 you will get improved zmodem error recovery.

I'll register TE/2 if and when the crashes are corrected in a
shareware release (and I'm certainly NOT the only person who's
experienced them, given both the comments on this newsgroup and
personal communication).
>
-- 
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grichard@cis.ohio-state.edu                                   (614) 292-0056
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: R.F.C. on Service Pack
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:31:28 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <9196@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> ygoland@edison.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes:
>I am having a non-show stoping problem with V2.0 GA and I was told
>by an ibm rep that the service pack would solve the particular
>problem I was having. However I have heard that various people have
>actually experienced increased problems of a wide variety after
>installing the service pack. My concern is that I can NOT afford any
>down time at the moment.

Well, if you're using a 16-bit display driver, you may have to drop
back to VGA.  You can still use it (follow the directions in the
README file very closely), but it may have side-effects.

Aside from that, the IBM1S506.ADD driver doesn't work with some IDE
drives.  So copy the one from your hard drive elsewhere in case you
need to "undo" that particular file upgrade.

Aside from that, I haven't noticed a problem.
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From: ps@tangtown.hanse.de (Peter Schwarz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: SCSI streamer and TAR
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 17:18:04 GMT
Organization: CeCa

Hello,
my question is perhaps a FAQ, please don't flame...
My problem is, that i can't access my TDC3820-1 streamer with GTAK201.
After having installed

  SET TAPE=+++TAPE$2
  SET TAPEMODE=1
  BASEDEV=SCSITAPE.DMD TAPE$2 2 S1

and jumpered my streamer to id #2, i just get the messages:

 tar cpv .    ->  tar: can't open +++TAPE$2 : Invalid argument

 tape rewind  ->  Fatal SCSI Error : Cannot access device TAPE$2, return code 31

Who knows, what i might have done wrong ?

My HD is a 525MB Fujitsu SCSI drive, i use OS/2 2.0 (GA) with some updated drivers
for video and AHA154x.ADD. I have installed HPFS.

Please e-mail
        Thanks
                Peter
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