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Subject: Re: Addressing the Captain
From: Aaron Morrison <MORRISON@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 12 Dec 1992 23:28:33 EST
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services

In article <Bz22BE.G76@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, analog@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Mike
Monahan) says:
>
>In article <1992Dec10.114024.6889@gw.wmich.edu> x91anderso33@gw.wmich.edu
>writes:
>>I just read where one guy thought that all CO's are called "Captain" and all
>>Execs are called "Commander" and another guy told him he was wrong, that     e
>peopl
>>are ALWAYS called by their correct rank.
>>In ST:TMP the first thing that I noticed (besides Scotty's gray hair and beer
>>belly) was that everyone called Kirk "Captain" as soon as he took over the
>>Enterprise. It was probably just out of habit, though, and I'm sure that when
>>other Admirals take command of ships thay're called "Admiral."
>>BTW, I still the guy who designed ST:TMP costumes should be put to sleep!
>>
>> -- Karl Anderson, Western Michigan University
>>
>
>        Wrong!  The person who commands a vessel is addressed as:
>                          "Captain"
>        For example, submarines are often commanded by commanders, but they
>are generally addressed as "Captain" (or "Sir").  When Kirk took over the
>big E everyone was perfectly correct when they called him "Captain."
>
>
>        The Analog Person-(Michael J. Monahan) analog@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
>        Suffering is the origin of conciousness-Dostoyevsky
>        We will pay the price, but we will not count the cost-Neil Peart
>        There is nothing an agnostic can't do if he doesn't know
>            whether he believes in it or not.- Graham Chapman

I am going to assume Mr. Monahan is correct about today's navy as I have no
first hand knowledge of such.  It is my observation that he is correct in
his statement.  "Captain" is both a rank and a position title.

As far as ST:TMP is concerned, Kirk was called Captain on the Enterprise
because he _was_ a Captain (both in rank and position).  If you notice,
Kirk wears Captain's markings (on his sleeve) while in command of the
Enterprise.  Also recall the conversation in Engineering with Mr. Decker
who was Captain (both rank and position) until Kirk assumed command.  Kirk
informs Decker that he will be Kirk's executive officer with  a  "Temporary
reduction in rank to Commander."  (Also remember Ailea's (sp?) surprise at
the rank of Commander in the corridore)

In this particular case, we can see that Kirk was addressed as "Captain"
for either being "captain of the ship" or by holding the rank of "captain."
Essentially a take your pick situation...   :-)

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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Kirk vs. the Borg (was Re: A Good Captain)
Date: 13 Dec 92 15:08:18 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <spinuzzi.67.724110735@gab.unt.edu> spinuzzi@gab.unt.edu (Clay Spinuzzi) writes:
[
-->Kirk vs. the Borg<--

Act I
Kirk Spock, and McCoy would have been imprisoned by the Borg and made to 
wear pain collars. 

Act II
Kirk would be served food by a female Borg (have we ever seen one?). 
He would then seduce her and use her to escape.

Act III
Kirk, Spock, and McCoy sow confusion and discord throughout the Borg ship. 
("Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!")

Act IV
Kirk makes a speech about humanity. The Borg decide to shuck their 
prosthetics and live in a free, capitalistic democracy.
]

Everything fine except Act IV:
Kirk, emoting heavily, catches the Borg collective in a logical paradox.
The Enterprise transporters pull them away in the nick of time, as the
Borg ship detonates in a dazzling display of pyrotechnics.  Go to
a shot of Kirk, McCoy and Spock on the surface of a nearby tropical
planet, where several Borg survivors slowly remove their prosthetics,
and gratefully promise to try to begin anew.  Kirk leaves an advisor
to help them form a viable society (in blatant violation of Directive 1,
but what the hell).  McCoy and Spock banter, fade to credits.


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From: Neal_washburn@iegate.mitre.org (Neal Washburn)
Subject: Re: Who is Ronny Cox
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:34:18 GMT

Ronny Cox also appeared on the TV program "St. Elsewhere."  He was a 
doctor hired by the corporation who took over the hospital.  His position 
was head of the hospital adminidtration.  He was a "company person" and he 
was very un-popular among the staff.

Sound familier?



N.H.Washburn
Member of the Technical Staff
The MITRE Corporation
Normal Disclaimers
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From: rduff@arrirs04.uta.edu (Robert Duff)
Subject: Re: Chain of Command thoughts (maybe Spoilers)
Organization: Automation and Robotics Research Institute, U Texas @ Arlington
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:44:52 GMT


I can't help but think that "Chain of Command" has to refer in some way
to the fact that Picard is in "chains" with the cardassians.

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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Picard/Riker '96 (was Re: Wesley Crusher is returning???)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:28:55 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

>(Various headers and slogans deleted)
>
>Not True!  While Picard is ineligible (He is French by birth) Spock is quite
>eligible, perhaps not canonically, but there has never been canon material
>that contradicts this: Several of the TOS novels acknowledge that Amanda
>Grayson is from the United States, and a couple specifically mention
>Seattle, Washington as her birthplace.  As the husband of an American
>citizen, that makes Sarek a citizen, too.  And Spock, as the offspring of
>an American citizen, is a _natural-born_ US citizen, eligible for the
>office of President or Vice-President once he reached the appropriate age.
>
Sorry, for the office of President, the person must not only be an American
citizen, but born in the United States.  This is the only office that has
such a constitutional stipulation.  I remember this because there was some
question when I was a military dependant overseas that if a US dependent
was born while their military parents were in a foreign country, would that
person be eligible for prez?  There is currently no definitive answer since
there has not yet been a precedent.


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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST: VII - Horror of horrors (depending on your view...)
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:52:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


>In article <BzCuxu.LLC@monitor.com> howard@monitor.com (Howard Brenner) writes:
>>A friend is spreading a rumor to me that I'm wondering if anoyone can  
>>confirm.  According to him Paramount does not like to end series on an odd  
>>number, so a ST:VIII is almost a given.  Is this a true Paramountism?

     Yes, Howard, a multi-billion dollar industry and a multi-million
     dollar corporation within that industry, boasting the most 
     succssful film franchise since Indiana Jones (also from them)
     plans strategy based on a like or dislike of "ending on odd
     numbers."  Grow a brain.  


     "The Cult of the Dead Jew!!  The Cult of the Dead Jew!!"
      -A Retrospective on Christianity, by TOM (CHICKEN).
       (Scott Gorcey, V075Q5FR@UBVMSB.CC.BUFFALO.EDU))
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From: idjohnst@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Ian Johnston)
Subject: Re: Promotions
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:22:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.001525.23123@pellns.alleg.edu> urbanas@reis54.alleg.edu (Shawn Urbanavage) writes:
>I was reading the articles that spoke about finding a "Good Captain" to  
>replace Picard after he leaves, and the question about Data came up.   

  I think that Wesley would make a good captian ;-)

  Ian.


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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: What do you mean the new Capt. is mean??? (Spoilers)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:58:04 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <BzAnB5.27o@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:



>No, like giving LaForge orders to do tons of work and no time in which  
>to do it.  LaForge has been in situations where he had to do something  
>on a large-scale very quickly, however this time he expressed a need  
>for more time

It's Geordi's own damn fault.  Didn't he learn anything recently?  
He should have just replied, "You kennae be serious, Captain.  It'll
take at least a week to get started.  There's still battle damage
from our last encounter with the Romulans..."  Then Jellico would
think of him as a miracle worker. :-)



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From: ruderg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Allen Ruderman)
Subject: Re: 'Batman" meets 'Trek'
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Summary: Spock's ancestry
Keywords: Spock, Holmes
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:55:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.213647.29849@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> klein@egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) writes:
>In article <8065.406.uupcb@the-matrix.com> scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)  writes:
>>On 7 Dec 92 19:34:29 GMT, dkelly@bio1.acpub.duke.edu (Dianne Kelly) said:
>>
>>DK>What's interesting is that Spock doesn't call this an old Vulcan
>>DK>proverb, he attributes it to "A distinguished ancestor of mine."  Now
>>DK>the quote is from Sherlock Holmes -- an ancestor of Spock?  I guess it's
>>DK>possible, since he is half-human.  So are we to assume that the entire
>>DK>Holmes canon links with the Trek canon?  The mind boggles.
>>
>>I had assumed that Spock was referring not to Holmes, but to Conan Doyle,
>>who might in fact be an ancestor of the Graysons.
>
>I took this as a "fourth wall" joke by the scriptwriter -- in the
>world of fiction, the logical Holmes can be seen as a literary
>ancestor of the logical Spock.
>
>
Sorry, the real answer is that it's a very subtle joke about Nimoy.  One of
the roles that he was famous for on Broadway was that of Holmes.

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From: emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us (Emmanuel Goldstein)
Subject: Cardassians
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:52:06 GMT

Can someone help me out with a little research I'm doing on
the Cardassians? What I need to know is which episodes have
mentioned them, either in passing or as a main feature?
Also, have Cardassians ever been mentioned in either TOS
of any of the films? (I know about DS9.) I appreciate
any help.

emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us

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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: Why the shift from 3 to 4 section watch?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:19:30 GMT

nyoung@desire.wright.edu writes:

		**Rest of article deleted**
	
>So much for the writers having any experience in the "real world"
>of military operations, eh?

>Nils


	Star Trek is not based on the military...it is based on exploration
	which, from time to time, requires the vessels to enter combat
	duty..but Starfleet is not a military organization.  Gene Roddenberry
	got very angry when a fan (who happened to be an "Ensign" in a fan
	club) asked him if Starfleet was, and an "Admiral" from the same
	fan club stood up and yelled at the "ensign" saying he spoke out of
	turn and will be subject to insubordination...Gene Roddenberry became
	very angry and proceeded to tell the "admiral" that ST was not based
	on the military.  Robert Justman took the microphone from Roddenberry
	before Gene really got mad.  This was on the 25th Anniversary cruise
	in June 1991.
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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STVI Continuity error ?
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:51:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1gnnh4INNmtt@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, jseaver@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Jason John Seaver) writes...
>In article <921216.151352@ia.ph.bham.ac.uk> HR-5@ia.ph.bham.ac.uk (Connor MacLeod (of the Clan MacLeod)) writes:
>>I'm sure somebody must have already mentioned this, but in Star Trek VI,
>>the cloaked bird of prey is defeated by a gas-seeking torpedo - Lt Uhuru
>>having suggested the use of 'the equipment we're carrying to chart
>>gaseous planetary anomolies' - How is it, then, that at the beginning
>>of the film, it is the Excelsior which is carrying this equipment, not
>>the Enterprise - in fact, the Enterprise is in space dock when Kirk et
>>al. first set off - thus (presumably) it has not got this equipment on
>>board ??
> 
>	Geez, don't you know :) :) :) that the Enterprise had been charting
>gaseous planetary anomolies BEFORE being called back to Earth for the mission,
>and hadn't had time to off-load the equipment?
> 
>	I mean, there are a lot of gaseous planetary anomolies in the
>Federation, do you think that there'd be just ONE starship charting them? :)

     Or, more plausibly: the scquence in which Kirk gives Chancellor
     Gorkon a tour of the enterprise, including the "extensive" science
     laboratorys, "we've been cataloging gaseous planetary anomolies,"
     says he, was cut in the theatrical release.  I believe it's in
     the video, but nevertheless, it was filmed that way.

     Scott
From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:05:09 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Dec17.191012.6159@mercury.cair.du.edu> aeckert@diana.cair.du.edu (AMY E. ECKERT) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.044247.3351@sbcs.sunysb.edu> gkatz@csws6.ic.sunysb.edu (Gerald W Katz) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec16.010527.12853@mercury.cair.du.edu> aeckert@diana.cair.du.edu (AMY E. ECKERT) writes:
>>
>>>I think that your reasoning is kind of circular.  In order for women to be
>>>accepted as leaders, we need to have more women leaders, but they won't be
>>>accepted because there aren't very many, and around and around and around.
>>>The way to break this is to put women in positions of leadership and by
>>>doing so change people's perceptions.  I vote for a female captain!
>>>
>>>Amy
>>>aeckert@diana.cair.du.edu
>>>
>>
>>Let's not forget, and certainly hope it's the case, that for woman to be captain of a ship,
>>or a political leader, that she received that positoin because she was the best
>>person for the job at the time of its availability.  In other words, I do not want
>>a woman in any position of authority just because she's a woman, and I don't want
>>a man in any position of authority just because he's a man.
>
>I agree with you completely.  Putting an incompetent woman in a position
>of authority SOLELY because she is a woman could do more harm than good.
>I wouldn't want a woman as captain only because of her gender.  Gender
>should not be the basis of choosing a leader, but at the same time, gender
>should not be the basis of denying someone leadership.
>
>Amy



Oh, I agree completely...I just thought it was a Star Trek Axiom that
From: Rim_Admin%Galactic_Rim@uu0570.foggybottom.com
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: computer voice
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:46:28 GMT
Organization: Foggy Bottom / Washington, D.C.

well, I think a few seasons back the computer voice would always be male in
Engineering...
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From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: When is/was Chain of Command I?
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:11:14 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Dec14.084040.20942@netcom.com> harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:
<I'm sort of ticked off myself.  
<
<CoC I was aired tonight (12/13) in Dallas.  TV Guide listed the
<episode as a repeat of Relics, and last night's episode was a repeat
<of the one where Troi gets old (can't remember the name), as
<accurately reported in TV Guide.  I missed the preview from last
<night, so I had no warning about CoC I.  I never saw an ad or trailer
<for it.  I just happened to switch channels about ten minutes in, and
<spent the rest of the show wondering what the *hell* was going on.
<
<Luckily for me [ And lucky for several of the execs at the local TV
<station ;) (which is Paramount-run) ] they repeat the episode on the
<following Saturday, that being the 19th.  I suppose CoC II will be
<aired on the 20th...
<
<Grrr...  I just looooooove Paramount.

You are going to kick yourself even more...

This information has been known on the net since the uplink of "Man of the
People" (the episode you couldn't name).  On Monday, the 7th, I verified the
information (with the one and same Dallas station) and posted the schedule
change to the net.

If you had been reading the net all this time, you would have known about
the schedule change and would not have been caught off guard.  The net is
a great resource of information, you must stay in touch.

BTW, since the schedule change came about on the 4th, there was no way to
change the local paper's weekly guide and TV Guide.  Though, the daily paper
could have been changed in time.

Keep in mind that it wasn't the fault of the local station.  Even though they
are owned by Paramount, they receive the schedule information like any other
station.

What we can figure out is that Paramount wanted to get these episodes aired
before the tie-in to Deep Space Nine.
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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: do we need rec.arts.startrek.dsn?
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:50:49 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <gp2001-151292181733@m248-106.bgsu.edu>, gp2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Greg
Pallenik) says:
>
>This newsgroup is becomminh cluttered with discussion of Deep Space Nine.
>I'm not complaining, but IMHO I think a separate group will be needed to
>keep things organized.  Does anyone else agree or disagree?

At the point of adding to the clutter, I see no real reason to form
another set of groups for DS9.  Crossposting bewteen this and the
other groups is quite high. And, which has been pointed out, most
of the discussion in r.a.s.current does not pertain to any current
episode. Most of the discussion belongs in r.a.s.misc.

For the sake of those who need to know the content of an article
before they read it, how about including either `DS9:' or `TNG:' as
the first set of characters in the subject line so we can distinguish
between the two series. (I would add using `TOS:' as well, but we 
all know none of those episodes are current ;-)  This is similar to
the system employed in rec.arts.tv.  Why not try and see how this
works before we get newsgroup happy and start proposing charters.



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From: caina@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Who is Ronny Cox?
Date: 18 Dec 92 12:25:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA

In article <1gqa7pINNd58@agate.berkeley.edu>, ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;RD48) writes:
>>|> What part did Ronny Cox play in Robocop, Total Recall, etc?
>>
> 
> He was also the Good Guy (really Good Guy) dad in a series called
> "Apple's Way" back in the 70s or so.  Hated it at the time.
> A
> 
> -- 
> Gavin Helf
> UC Berkeley Political Science
> Berkeley-Stanford Program in Soviet Studies
> ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu


  Don't forget he played the President of the United States in the  
movie "Captain America"(which was never released, but somehow has managed
its way to local video stores)

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