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From: ajl@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au (Alexandre Lefebvre)
Subject: Re: Import duty into Australia
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 06:48:58 GMT

10666281@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (KEVIN PRATER) writes:


>	After looking at the American PC magazine and the low
>prices they pay, I was wondering what the import duty was on various 
>items is.

> [more rave]

>So is the import duty around this 20% ?
>Is there any fundimental flaw in my reasoning?
>Thanks

I've been in Australia since January, and it didn't take me long 
to realize that:

1) people keep on sending stupid questions (like yours) to aus.general,
   and
2) you find at the beginning of the "white pages" a list of phone numbers
for the federal and state governement services (very useful).

In your case, look under "Governement - Commonwealth - Custom Services"
and please use the phone!

Thank you for not polluting this newsgroup.

Yours,

    alex

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Newsgroups: aus.general,aus.aarnet
From: stuarta@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Stuart Andrews)
Subject: Re: EFTPOS
Organization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:22:28 GMT

> The pin _must_ be on the card.

Yep, I get the feeling it might. I recount a personal experience: I used a ATM once at the then NRMB in George St Parramatta and I _KNOW_ I entered the wrong
PIN. It still gave me the money I asked for. I also know from advice (company I worked for @ the time banked @ NMRB George ST, Parra) that that particular machine went oof-line a lot (ie; lost it's line to whatever host it talks to) Why?

GeoffreyB


Newsgroups: aus.general
From: lee@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Lee Naish)
Subject: Re: New Victorian Premier/result using PR
Organization: Department of Computer Sci, University of Melbourne
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:09:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.015128.5351@bby.com.au> djk@bby.com.au (David James Keegel) writes:
>lee@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Lee Naish) writes:
>
>] ... what the result would have been under the Hare Clark system of PR.
>
>] 	Lib	Nat	ALP	Other
>] 	40	9	36	3

I now have some revised figures (those above were not based on final
counts for all seats).

	Lib	Nat	ALP	Other
 	42	7	35	4

>What/who are the 3 "Others" here?

I can't say because 1) I don't have the figures for individual
candidates, 2) the alalysis is hypothetical and must therefore rely on
various assumptions - I don't think its reasonable to give much more
precise information.  If Hare Clark had been used we would have had a
somewhat different selection of candidates and the voters would have had
more choice.  However, based on support in the actual election there
would have been "others" elected in the following combined seats:

1) Thomastown, Broadmedows, Northcote, Preston, Mill Park, Bundoora
   & Yan Yean
2) Essendon, Melbourne, Coburg, Footscray, Sunshine, Keilor, Niddrie,
   Pascoe Vale & Richmond
3) Gippsland South, Gippsland East, Morwell, Narracan, Gippsland West,
   Pakenham & Cranbourne
4) Sandringham, Brighton, Albert Park, Prahran, Caufield, Bentleigh,
   Clayton, Oakleigh & Malvern.

Before the election the independent tipped most likely to win was Craik,
standing in Mill Park, so perhaps she would have been one of them.
Maybe a Democrat would have been elected in 2).  I think a major reason
the Democrats are in such a bad way is that the current electoral system
discriminates against them.  If we had had PR in previous elections they
would have had people in parliament, been more effective and less
demoralised.

	lee
From: s892031@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Pumpkin Power)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Eastern Freeway - Transit Lane
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:54:16 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

An interesting point came to mind this morning as I moved 'illegally' into
the transit lane to pass a car who was moving intolerably slowly in
front of me, alongside other cars doing pretty much the same (but I guess
annoying driving habits is a different topic entirely :)

Anyway, it is perfectly legal to cross onto the wrong side of the road
to pass a car under normal conditions, but how is this covered with
regards to the transit lane?  Is it legal for me here to move onto a part
of the road that would otherwise be considered illegal under other
circumstances?  Is there actually anything written down somewhere defining
what is and isn't legal for the lane?

I doubt I'd ever get pulled up for this anyway, but then again I've been
pulled over by some pretty petty policemen before...

Peter Barton : s892031@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
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From: plt@pliny.noname (Peter Trudinger)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Information on cards for Craig Shergold
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:28:34 GMT
Reply-To: plt@pliny.noname
Followup-To: aus.followup
Distribution: world,aus
Organization: DSTO, Australia

Thanks.  I have now received several responses, including copies of a 
posting made by Gene Spofford.  I will forward this to anyone
who is interested, or post it to the group if there are enough requests.

Essentially, my recollections were correct, and requests for cards for
Craig Shergold should be ignored.


Peter
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From: ggr@koonda.acci.com.au (Greg Rose)
Newsgroups: aus.general,aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: EFTPOS
Date: 8 Oct 92 07:59:05 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Australian Computing and Communications Institute

In article <1992Oct8.064257.16951@ucc.su.OZ.AU> hughg@brutus.ee.su.oz.au (Hugh Garsden) writes:
>In article <BvsGCJ.Fu1@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU>, stuarta@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU 
>(Stuart Andrews) writes:
>|> > I'll bet the PIN security is hardwired into the card reader...
>|> 
>|> No, I don't really know either, but I reckon that if the PIN was hardwired
>|> in the reader - ie: no PIN info is transmitted over the lines, then the PIN
>|> must be on that little magnetic stripe on the card.
>As far as I know this is the case. I took a card to a bank to change the PIN,
>and they used a little gadget that wipes the old PIN "from the card" and
>replaces it with a new one. They require identification (passport etc.) before
>they allow you to do this.

The PIN is not stored directly on the card. Instead it is generated
from other information on the card (like your account number and name)
using a keyed hashing technique, and the key for this is kept VERY
secret (although it is inside all those little boxes...). If you have
the capability to change the PIN, this is actually done by recording an
"offset" on the card. This offset is added (modulo 10000 for 4-digit
PINs) to what you typed in, then compared against the PIN as calculated
by the keyed hash. In other words, there is enough information on the
card for a machine "in the know" to verify a PIN, but definitely not
enough for you to read the card and figure out the PIN (you also need
to know the ATM network's secret key to achieve this).

Discussed at length in sci.crypt every few months...
--
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From: Quinn <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: EFTPOS
X-Xxdate: Fri, 9 Oct 92 01: 36:28 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d11
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:38:18 GMT

In article <9228217.6147@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Greg Rose,
ggr@koonda.acci.com.au writes:
>The PIN is not stored directly on the card. Instead it is generated
>from other information on the card (like your account number and name)
>using a keyed hashing technique, and the key for this is kept VERY
>secret (although it is inside all those little boxes...).
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah but getting it out of the little boxes without having them
explode in your face is non-trivial in the extreme.  I used to
work (as a grunt) as a company that made EFTPOS stuff and they go
to *great* lengths to ensure that:

  a) no one can snoop the keys as they're loaded
  b) the machine self destructs if it's tampered with

Gee I hope this doesn't break the non-disclosure agreement that I
never got around to signing (-;

Quinn "The Eskimo!"      <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au>     "Support HAVOC!"
Department of Computer Science, The University of Western Australia
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From: u1056905@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: EFTPOS
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:15:35 GMT
Followup-To: aus.followup
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of New South Wales

>in article <summer.718928939@murillo>, summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield) says:
>> This is patently untrue -- there are only 10000 possible PINs
> 
> In fact, I think there are much less than 10000 possible PINs, because I
> have been led to believe that:
> 
> 	- PINs do not start with a '0'
> 	- PINs do not have more than 2 digits the same
> 


I don't know much about this, but I was thinking that, first, some banks
use 6 digits for their PIN - that already gives you 1,000,000 possible
PINS. Secondly, couldn't the number you enter be mixed with some other
info on the car to give greater security ??? - As I said I don't know anything
about this stuff - just speculating... Sorry if it doesn't make any sense!!! ;)

Flame on... Assi.
u1056905@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
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From: stuarta@syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Stuart Andrews)
Newsgroups: aus.general,aus.aarnet
Subject: Re: EFTPOS
Date: 9 Oct 92 05:27:51 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia

> line is down the store holds all the info....

Wrong. Sorry.

A few weeks bacl I used my Australian Credit Unions card at an EFTPOS machin
at Woolworths Nuetral Bay. Something or other was down and the EFTPOS 
machine wouldn't talk to the bank so they ran off and got a carbon form and
imprinter (like for bankcard, etc) 'swiped' a copy of my card and did the paper
work as per a credit card. They wouldn't give me any cash. Interesting thing
was, they didn't use my PIN, they just took my .signature - no id, no nuthing
Funnier: My credit union does have a record of my .sig, but others (eg: St
George Freedom) don't record .sigs for plastic card. therefoe: no security.

I went across the road to and ANZ ATM and made a withdrawal no wuckers
immediately afterwards.

GeoffreyB
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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: miw@cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams)
Subject: Re: Mobile Phones was Re: EFTPOS
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 06:28:07 GMT

scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher) writes:

>While everyone is worrying about EFTPOS security what do you all think
>about the telephone company knowing your location every time you use
>a mobile phone (well to the resolution of the cell size at least).  

They know the location of your mobile phone whenever it is *turned on*,
since it is always in contact with the mobile system. 

However, the phone company doesn't know where *you* are, since it
doesn't know who is using the phone. 

Let's face it, whenever you use your telephone at home, the phone
company in some way knows that there is somebody at home. Does that
bother you?

cheers,




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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (David Connors)
Subject: Re: EFTPOS
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 07:38:59 GMT

nick@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Nick Andrew) writes:

>ggr@koonda.acci.com.au (Greg Rose) writes:

>>In other words, there is enough information on the
>>card for a machine "in the know" to verify a PIN

>This means that one only has to "capture" a card-reading machine, find which
>signal indicates "PIN OK" and do a brute-force search of the PIN space using
>the keypad (perhaps a set of solenoids pushing the buttons) in order to find
>a valid PIN.

ATMs swallow your card if you get the PIN wrong three times in a row.


   Dave Connors - D.Connors@sct.gu.edu.au     Griffith University, Australia
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Newsgroups: aus.general
From: mpulver@research.canon.oz.au (Mark Pulver)
Subject: Re: Sydney Harbour Tunnel Update #19 (Q
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 23:02:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.001026.25043@multib.yartou.oz> robf%multib.yartou.oz@atom.ansto.gov.au writes:
>
>I live in the eastern suburbs and travel to North Ryde. There is no
>practical public transport to the commercial area of North Ryde (it takes
>up to two hours, two trains, a bus that goes all through the back
>of North Ryde and a walk, that is not practical).
>By car, before the tunnel, it took 50 minutes, 20 of those waiting to
>get on to the bridge, as the lanes are all given to in coming traffic.
>Using the tunnel (and the new Pacific Highway bypass) it only takes
>me 25 minutes to work.
>

Now if the public transport system was improved so that all the people
who could take advange of did,  there would be plenty of of space left
on the bridge so people like yourself (people who don't have good
public transport commutes) would not need a tunnel is ease the traffic.
IMHO.


Mark
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From: s890412@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Christopher John Diffey)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Virtual Reality games in Australia
Date: 15 Oct 92 08:14:25 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

>In article <alan.717735267@sorokin> Alan To, alan@sorokin.anu.edu.au writes:
>>Does anyone know of any places in Australia (Sydney, Canberra or Melbourne
>>really) where you can play games of virtual reality with eyephones etc.

the units which were at southgate 2 weeks ago were at sydney tlast week
and at chadstone this week , where they'll be next week is anyone's guess

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From: dudleyp@anl.oz (Paul Dudley)
Newsgroups: aus.general,soc.couples,soc.singles
Subject: High School Reunion
Keywords: Highvale High School
Date: 13 Oct 92 06:01:23 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: ANL Ltd (The Australian National Line)

If there are any former students of Highvale High School ( Glen Waverley ,
Victoria ) out there , then please read this !

There is a reunion being planned for Saturday November 21st at Rembrandts
reception centre in Wantirna . It is for students who were in the first
group to attend the school , and for those who were in the first HSC class
in 1982 .

Please reply if you are one of the above or know someone who is one of 
the above .

Paul


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From: mjhall@socs.uts.edu.au (Matthew Hall)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: Virtual Reality games in Australia
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:13:25 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: UTS Microcomputer Shop
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In article <alan.717735267@sorokin> Alan To, alan@sorokin.anu.edu.au writes:
>Does anyone know of any places in Australia (Sydney, Canberra or Melbourne
>really) where you can play games of virtual reality with eyephones etc.

I do hear a rumour that the Hoyts Entertainment Centre in Sydney will
soon be running VR games........mind you its only a rumour.

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From: farrell@coral.cs.jcu.edu.au (John Farrell)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: EFTPOS
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:28:43 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: James Cook University

In <1992Oct15.073859.26930@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au> dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (David Connors) writes:
>ATMs swallow your card if you get the PIN wrong three times in a row.

  So you take your card out after two and start again. This certainly worked
for me at UQ one day, has it been fixed?

Friendless
Newsgroups: aus.general
From: 10666281@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (KEVIN PRATER)
Subject: test
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:35:45 GMT

Newsgroups: aus.general
From: janm@dramba.neis.oz (Jan Mikkelsen)
Subject: Re: EFTPOS
Organization: Dramba Holdings, Lindfield, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:29:39 GMT

In article <6557@otc.otca.oz> brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:
>in article <summer.718928939@murillo>, summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield) says:
>> This is patently untrue -- there are only 10000 possible PINs
>
>In fact, I think there are much less than 10000 possible PINs, because I
>have been led to believe that:
>
>	- PINs do not start with a '0'
>	- PINs do not have more than 2 digits the same
>
>If this is the case, then there are only 7100 possible PINs.
>
>(Did I do my maths right?)

This is not true;  with many banks, users can select their own PIN.  Repeating
digits and zero as the first digit are both allowed.  Eg.  State Bank NSW and
ANZ (and probably others ...)


-- 
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From: ina_pearce@actew.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: New Victorian Premier/result using PR
Date: 8 Oct 92 09:10:39 EST
Followup-To: aus.followup
Distribution: aus
Organization: ACT Electricity & Water

> The previous Victorian election would have been wone by the coalition
> with PR.  The won before that Labor would have won.  Some of the
> previous elections the coalition won would have been won by Labor with
> PR.
> 
>>I find the current system of voting illegal because it affectively allows some
>>voters to vote more than once.
> 
> Eh?
> 
> 1) What are you referring to exactly?  People having multiple
> identities, people being on the electoral role more than once, people
> voting at multiple polling booths, saying they are someone else, bribing
> voters or officials,...?
> 
> 2) As far as I know the Victorian elections are run in accordance with
> legislation passed by the parliament, hence the system is legal by
> definition.  Note than in Victoria the is nothing in the constitution
> about the electoral system.  Kennett may get legislation passed which
> makes elections optional or even illegal.  I think the parliament can
> even appoint Kennett (or me!) as a dictator and dissolve itself.
> 
> 	lee

The illegallity of multiple voting I'm refering to is having 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc
preferances - meaning if your first vote is for someone who isn't one of the
leading candidates you get to another vote, and then another until you have 
voted for one of the leading candidates.

each person should only get ONE vote and if you decide to waste your vote on a
loser then stiff shit! The winner should be the one with most votes after
everyone has voted ONCE.

Drew.

ps I was talking about previous FEDERAL elections
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From: baragry@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jason M Baragry)
Newsgroups: aus.general,aus.aarnet
Subject: EFTPOS
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:32:15 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia


	Could somebody give me some info on how the EFTPOS works....
What network does it run on, what sort of protocols does it use for 
security, etc. And who owns it ?? The banks or one of the telecommunications
companys ???

thanks

Jason Baragry
From: scott@psy.uwa.oz.au (Scott Fisher)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Mobile Phones was Re: EFTPOS
Date: 13 Oct 1992 05:18:41 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: wapsy.psy.uwa.oz.au

While everyone is worrying about EFTPOS security what do you all think
about the telephone company knowing your location every time you use
a mobile phone (well to the resolution of the cell size at least).  

Regards Scott.
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From: waohe@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (WA Office of Higher Education)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Byron Bay
Date: 9 Oct 1992 15:16:46 +0800
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I'm spending two weeks training in Byron Bay (lucky me!) from Monday
12 October.

None too subtle question:  is there anyone in the Bay who can let me
have occasional access to e-mail while I'm there!

Thanks

Jeff Oliver
Beachfront Apts  U/10  (066) 856 354
From: markd@werple.apana.org.au (Mark Delany)
Newsgroups: aus.general
Subject: Re: EFTPOS
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:17:57 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: werple public-access UNIX, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: werple.apana.org.au

janm@dramba.neis.oz (Jan Mikkelsen) writes:

>In article <6557@otc.otca.oz> brendan@otc.otca.oz (Brendan Jones) writes:
>>in article <summer.718928939@murillo>, summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield) says:
>>> This is patently untrue -- there are only 10000 possible PINs
>>
>>In fact, I think there are much less than 10000 possible PINs, because I
>>have been led to believe that:
>>
>>	- PINs do not start with a '0'
>>	- PINs do not have more than 2 digits the same
>>
>>If this is the case, then there are only 7100 possible PINs.
>>
>>(Did I do my maths right?)

>This is not true;  with many banks, users can select their own PIN.  Repeating
>digits and zero as the first digit are both allowed.  Eg.  State Bank NSW and
>ANZ (and probably others ...)


Right! When I was young...

At one stage I was issued a PIN from Dear old Telecom which started
with a zero and had two other zeroes in it!

For you phreakers, with this knowledge, the re-establishment of the
card and the re-establishment of the phone-account, you'd only need 27
tries to cover all combinations.

One big problem with duplicates of any sort are that they are *very*
easy to recognized when someone enters them in public (eg ATM's,
Phonecards).

Thus there is good reason to avoid dupes, however I'm struggling to
understand why zero should be singled out as a digit to avoid.

Of course the mine-field of PINs is extensively ploughed every couple
of months in the various *.security/*.privacy groups.


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