From: zeus@vxcrna.cern.ch
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Bill & Hillary are Socialists (was SOMEBODY'S GOT TO SAY IT)
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:04:30 GMT
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics

n article <1992Nov3.070545.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville
.edu writes:
> In article <eagle.720761837@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu>, eagle@garfield.catt.ncsu.
edu (Daniel L'Homme
>>
>> Why doesn't somebody just come out and say it?  BILL CLINTON IS A
>> SOCIALIST.  His answer to everything seems to be "throw money into it,"
>> or "throw the government into it."  Look at it: nationwide health care,
>> a college education for everyone, and more police.
>
>      We cannot use the term "socialist" anymore because of the
> stimga associated with it.  The politically-correct term for
> socialism is "economic democracy" -- coined by Shearer (a Clinton
> economic advisor).  All one has to do is skim through the
> Communist Manifesto by Marx and *Engels* to see how "economically
> democratic" this nation already is.  Clinton's plan to make
> the income tax more progressive and Congress' HR 4848 (I forgot
> what the new bill number is), which sends the inheritance
> tax into orbit, are two more steps toward Marx's ideal.
>      Here's a little trivia quiz.  Who said the following?
>
>      "The modern individual family is founded on the open or
>       concealed domestic slavery of the wife, and modern society
>       is a mass composed of these individual families as its
>       molecules."
>
> No, not Hillary Clinton, but Frederick *Engels*, author of the
> Communist Manifesto.  Now you know the source of Hillary's
> "marriage is slavery" brainwashing.  I guess Bill and Hillary
> must have immersed themselves in the study of Marx and Engels....

There are many fine words spoken by communists on many subjects.
Not least the condemnation of slavery which was seen by both the
communist and Socialist movements as evil long before abolition.
McArthy was not a notable advocate of freedom of thought or
expression, It is very noticaqble that those who jump up and down 
screaming that anyone who gives a damn about anyone other than
themselves is and evil Stalinist bent on destroying society and 
removing all freedom of thought attempt precisly these things. They
attempt to destroy society by dividing it into rich and poor and
attempt to silence anyone who protests against them by yelling
Socialist in a venemous way in the hope that it may eventually become
a form of abuse.

Perhaps cdpert is unaware that a rouge can also spout fine words.
Nixon and Bush both said some mighty fine things about Patriotism,
the American Dream and apple pie, that didn't mean that they beleived
them of course and the fact that Bush and Nixon were and are liars
does not mean that Apple pie, motherhood and the American Dream
are outright evil. 

Frankly this all seems like very sour grapes from the Republican
right who are going to have to practice survial without that
unbearable aura of smugness they have generated for themselves.
After years of telling the whole world that Liberals, Socialists
and Progressives were all evil monsters, that anyone who dared
to defend civil liberties was bent on enslavement of the people
under a Stalinist regime, that anyone who disagreed with them
was unamerican, now we know the truth. The American people have
chosen Liberal Progressive and Socialist policies.

I am a Socialist, I am proud to be a socialist, I am proud of the
record of socialist governments in the UK. I am glad that the
culture of greed and self interest that the Republican party
stood for and exalted has been rejected. I am glad that the
American people have chosen to rebuild the great society which
Franklin Roosevelt and John Kennedy stood for.

The benchmark of misery has now been set, for the next four
years it is the Bush Presidency which will be held as the
standard of utmost contemptible failure and which the Republicans
will attempt to deny. Even before he has left office they will
disown him, those people who even now are lamenting his defeat
will propose the proposterous reason for his filure, that he
failed becuase he betrayed the Regan revolution. Bush was
the Regan revolution, it was the foolish budget deficit that
the pair of them created with what Bush once called vodoo
ecconomics that has destroyed the US ecconomy.

Returning to the original point. I hope that Bill Clinton does
turn out to be a Socialist, just as the greatest US President
this Century, FDR did. FDR was the man who found the solution
to the devastation caused by the failed free market, monetarist
policies of Hoover. Today a solution must be found to the
devastation caused by the failed policies of Bush and Regan.

Phill Hallam-Baker
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