From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,comp.sys.amiga.graphics,rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Disney's "New Look": How?
Date: 26 Jan 93 08:25:00 GMT
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Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney) 

To: murakami@ocf.berkeley.edu (Brandon Murakami)

BM>I've been reading messages here for about 6 months now but it's only now tha
BM>I've figured out how to reply to messages.  I've been on GEnie's Disney
BM>category for a few years now and can't help but to notice the differences.
BM>Ray and Eyvind have both posted unfriendly replies to a simple factual
BM>statement I made about the use of Amigas and Macintosh computers for Disney.
BM>Eyvind, you did not read my statement carefully.  I said the _animation_
BM>is commissioned out.  The directors and storymen are at Disney.  I didn't
BM>claim the whole series was left up to outsiders.

I think you read way TOO much into an ironic comment. And it takes a
really thin skin to consider either comment "unfriendly." (I do note,
however, that YOU called people "fanatics" - hardly a friendly
attitude.) You made a very unclear statement and got a comment on it.
Period. The animation that is commissioned out is the tweening, cel
work, etc. - the actual grunt work (as you now state) but by no means
the whole process. I don't recall anyone saying that Amigas were used to
actually produce the animation. I did post a reference to an article on
their being used for pre-production but it seemingly got ignored or the
wrong connotation was assumed.

I am sorry if MY comment was unclear as well but I had to read your post
four times before I finally figured out what I guess (from comments
above) you must have been trying to say.

BM>For what it's worth here, I can't understand the hostility and the vulgarity
BM>here.

You get back what you give, in most cases. Get testy, call people names
and they get annoyed. Vulgarity? Whose? I'll have to check back through
the messages. I missed that. (Sometimes I skim messages and miss things,
though.)

BM>And many claim it's a freedom to express opinionss, but I know many
BM>of you would not be so rude if we were all in a room to share Disney news.

It IS freedom (see my comment about GEnie, below.) I can't speak for the
others (you are probably right, though) but I don't behave any
differently and I have been dubbed a diplomat at the local Animation
Society.

BM>At GEnie, being civil is just taken for granted and everybody's happy.

It must be pretty quiet there if such mild comments result in a reaction
like this. Then again, maybe you don't call people names there.

BM>can't help but seeing images of the undergraduate computer science majors
BM>who are too timid to speak up in class, but will rant and rave on the news
BM>net.

Not here. My last contact with a university was when I was drawing a
paycheck from them, and that was a few years ago. Although I do agree
that I get the same feeling 90% of the time.

BM>And why are the Amiga owners so relgious anyways?  In too many news
BM>groups, there are Amiga owners preaching about their machines.  Why???  I
BM>can't see the significance in the Disney newgroup.

Well, that lets me out. I don't own an Amiga. I guess it's like the Mac
users who always have to preach about their machines. What DOES it
matter?

BM>(I'm not the type to argue or raise hell, so there won't be any more from me
BM>on the subject of being civil.)

There are many, many, worse areas on Internet, Fidonet, Ilink, etc.
GEnie does not really prepare people for the outside world. I go there
when I need a rest. I don't think I have ever seen a heated discussion
on any topic over there. Not surprising really. It's moderated by a
large corporate entity which excises "inappropriate messages."

Relax. No one is attacking you. At least not me and I didn't detect any
real hostility in Eyvind's post either.

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