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Date:         Wed, 20 Jan 1993 11:55:20 EST
From:         Gary Bourgois <flash@LOPEZ.MARQUETTE.MI.US>
Subject:      Re: C-band flat antennas?

Denis Newkirk asks:

>I just read about the flat Ku-band antenna announced by Flat Antenna
>Corp. Norcross Ga. and was wondering if there is a similar C-band
>antenna avaialble from any manufacturer?


Nope.  No such animal.  Flat antennas are designed for use with single
satellites, and those of HIGH POWER at that, such as exist in Europe already
on KU band.

To get the needed gain on C band, such an antenna would have to be larger
than your house and it would be difficult to get such an antenna to track the
arc.

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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:00:49 -0500
From:         Mike Gingell <aurs01!aurw6b!gingell@CONCERT.NET>
Subject:      re: Dubbing and North America

robert kobenter rwkobent@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca writes:
>Its too bad that English speaking North Americans detest Dubbed
>and subtitled movies on TV. Some exceptions come to mind but very very
>few.

Try Bravo - they carry a lot of foreign movies, many are subtitled.
It is VC encrypted so I don't know if you can subscribe from Canada.

Mike Gingell, Alcatel, Raleigh, NC USA  (919) 850-6444
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From: roberts@triton.unm.edu (Robert Smathers)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: What was that strange signal on G7/15 (C)?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 06:05:51 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
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NNTP-Posting-Host: triton.unm.edu


I saw a strange signal this morning.  

It was basically a snow screen (white colored snowy screen) with
black bar(s) running diagonally and the black bars waving around a little
bit.  I wonder if this is a new encryption system or something like
that.  BTW, no audio present with this signal (maybe an ATIS, I don't
remember).

As for G7, I hope you don't expect SCPC from it.  My survey today
revealed only a few blank SCPC carriers on Ku band (two or three
different slots)  and none on C-band.  

Robert
roberts@triton.unm.edu
From: pryack@MtHolyoke.edu (Paul Ryack)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: Access America WAS: New England Cable News
Date: 23 Jan 1993 22:51:29 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
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Joe Slater x7534 (SASJZS@VMS.SAS.COM) wrote:
> From: WWESTON@boston.vnet.ibm.com
> Subject:      New England Cable News
> X-To:         homesat@vm1.nodak.edu
> To: Multiple recipients of list HOMESAT <HOMESAT@VM1.NoDak.EDU>
> 
> > I have noticed that New England Cable News has moved to F2/21.
> > I wonder what happened to Access America?
> >
> >-Warren

I saw it tonight on what's left of F4.  I think it was on Tr. 3.
Peculiar, considering that F4 is going poof soon.


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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:39:58 -0500
From:         Elmer Beachley <etb@CS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Phase Jitter?

Andy:

I've seen some horizontal jitter on Ku but C band is always rock solid.

I have not experimented to determine the problem on Ku as it doesn't
occur very regularily.  My first quess at the cause is lack of video
bandwidth in the receiver, but I really don't have a clue.

Elmer Beachley etb@cs.pitt.edu
From: leikvoll@hsr.no (Morten Leikvoll)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: FilmNet decoder - no sound
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:09:53 GMT
Organization: Rogaland University Centre

In article <C1GuoL.AAq@lysator.liu.se>, calvin@lysator.liu.se (Chris Maluszynski) writes:
> Lo folks,
> 
> I have an old FilmNet decoder which I guess is meant for decoding FilmNet.
> I tried it on the satellite (don't remember name) which still sends FilmNet in 
> PAL. It seems to work for the picture but I don't get any sound.  All I manage 
> to pick up is some strange noise.  Does anyone know what the problem is?
> I know virtually nothing about these things and have a very old reciever for
> which I don't even have a manual.
> 
> Any info would be appreciated. (By email please)
> 
> 	-Chris
> 
> --
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Filmnet (the old one, not on astra) send encrypted NICAM stereo sound.
That`s why!

-Morten Leikvoll / leikvoll@hsr.no (Is it short enough?)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: jay@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Jay Novello)
Subject: BBC WS throws the Leitch Switch
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:10:27 GMT

It was a dark day here in the east yesterday (January 21).

Sometime during the day, BBC WS (Intelsat 601, 27.5 West, Channel 3)
became LEITCH encrypted.  It remains that way this morning.

They DID have the decency to leave the audio ITC.  

It was a good eleven weeks, though...

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                         Raleigh, North Carolina, USA
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 09:48:58 CEN
From:         Jerry Harris <HARRIS@WKYUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Galaxy 7 Live Channels
              27 Jan 1993 14:15:21 GMT from <rmutton@SUPERIOR.CARLETON.CA>

Just a quick note, could someone post G7's position, or what C-band it
is adjacent to.

Thanks in advance, %-)

Jerry Harris, Systems Programmer       BITNET: HARRIS@WKYUVM
Western Kentucky University
Computer Center  WAB-312               IBM 9121-260
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 08:52:15 +0100
From:         Roger.Wennstrom@LU.ERISOFT.SE
Subject:      Re: Superbowl

Yaacov Ben-Yaacov writes:
> Does anyone know on what channel i can receive the superbowl
> I receive sattelites from 105 E  (Asiasat) to 27.5 West (intelsat)
> thanks.

I would bet that the feed for Europe will be on Intelsat K (21.5 W) on one of
the Brightstar transponders. Most probably in B-MAC :-(
The NFC and AFC championship games from Miami and S.F. a week ago were in
clear PAL however.
The feed may also be on Intelsat 27.5 W or PanamSat 45 W. (for Ku-sats). I
don't know of C-band feeds.

I know that Scandinavian TV3 and Premiere on Astra plans to show the Superbowl
but they are scrambled. British terrestial Channel Four have used
PanAmSat (45 W) all season for their football feeds from the US.

When Premiere broadcasts live events from the US they sometime use a double
hop on Eutelsats (16,13,10,7 East). It could be worth checking there also.

As for Screensport that have been promising to show US (real) football all
season I can only say that they had no info abut superbowl on their teletext
service for Jan 31st. It is really sad that they are closing down.

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From: alh@cypress.com (Andy Hawkins)
Subject: Re: HBO Free Preview - Bummer!
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor Southeast Design Center
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:11:38 GMT


>From: lesnyd@monsanto.com (Larry E. Snyder)
>
>I recorded Star Trek VI last night from HBO's free preview, and I was
>really mad that the stupid box that said "To Subscribe, Call 1-800-blah"
>didn't disappear until about a minute into the movie. I guess that's their
>little way of making sure anything you record during the free preview has
>their mark on it, sort of the way a dog pees on its territory.
:::::::::some stuff deleted
>Larry

I agree, this is very annoying.
my IRD has a composite video out that does not include ANY of the VCII+
boxes.  The only problem is that the video that comes out of that port
is "scrambled" even on channels I subscribe to.  Now if I could only get
some help inverting the video and adding a sync to this composite video
signal, I could get rid of these annoying little "To Subscribe" boxes :)?

and suggestions from the net?

Also, is this composite video out common on IRD's?

Equipment: Uniden 9900S IRD, 10' mesh, 45o HTS LNB, 150' cable
Location : Starkville, MS.  33o-27"-01'N, 88o-49"-06'W
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From: juergenb@ecs.comm.mot.com (Juergen Bartels)
Subject: Re: Lifestyle Satellite Jukebox on Astra to Close!
Organization: eng
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:02:01 GMT

>>It appears that Lifestyle is closing down at the end of January, to be replaced
>>by a German language channel RTL2 in mid February.
>
>Damn, soon all channels on Astra will be German.. Well, it wouldn't
>matter if they weren't such fools to dub them, but they are..! :(

Better German than scrambled!  :-)

Germans are used to dubbing. They consider it to be stupid to read movies.
(subtitles)

Jurgen


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From: pddwd@dave.cpceng.cpc.gmeds.com (David Doerr 313-575-4126)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: European TV Reception in Midwest US ?
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:34:05 GMT
Reply-To: pddwd@dave.cpceng.cpc.gmeds.com
Organization: GM/EDS NAO


Could someone help a neophyte understand what is needed to receive
European TV in the Midwest USA?  I am especially interested in the
German national channels ARD and ZDF and other German-language
programming.

I would like to know:

1.	How practical is satellite reception of European programming in
	the Midwest US?

2.	The type of satellite equipment needed and where to obtain it.

3.	Satellite(s) from which I need to receive.

4.	The type of TV equipment needed and where to obtain it.

David Doerr
313-575-4126
From: M.J.Cox@bradford.ac.uk (Mark Cox)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Lifestyle Satellite Jukebox on Astra to Close!
Date: 21 Jan 93 09:32:07 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: s1394@compute

Last night whilst watching Lifestyle Satellite Jukebox on
Astra a new `jingle' appeared saying

"Lifestyle Jukebox giveaway - closing down"  or words to that
effect.    It seemed to indicate that it was closing down on
January 31st...

Anyone know anything about this,  or whats replacing it?

Mark




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Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: leikvoll@hsr.no (Morten Leikvoll)
Subject: New channels on 1deg west (Thor)
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:55:38 GMT

New on Jan 20th 1993:
If anybody didn't know, CNN (clear DMAC) and FILMNET (the moviechannel,
encrypted D2MAC, eurocrypt S) is available at 1 deg west, from one of the old
Marcopolo satellites now named Thor. There are 3 other transponders running
with a test picture in clear DMAC. There are a lots of testing going on, so
things may change...
I have no Idea if CNN and FILMNET are going to stay.......
-Morten Leikvoll / leikvoll@hsr.no (Is it short enough?)

Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
From: hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development)
Subject: Re:      Access America WAS: New England Cable News
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:50:32 GMT


In article <199301211322.AA15747@mozart>,         Joe Slater x7534 <SASJZS@VMS.SAS.COM> writes...
>There was a note on Access America the other day that they were moving
>but I don't remember where they said they were going. I was watching an
>semi-old movie that starred Mick Jagger as a renegade in 19th century
>New South Wales (Australia). He actually wasn't half bad, and I am one
>of those who think he has no talent, expect for perhaps his lips from
>which he has gotten tremendous mileage. The Music was by Waylon. Didn't
>get the name of the movie though...

Ned Kelly, or at least that is the name of the character that Jagger played. He
was a famous Australian highwayman, notable for wearing a suit of 'armour'
(made of leather if I recall).

gary
From: uclydvh@ucl.ac.uk (Mr David John Howells)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: Re: What to do with a Marcopolo receiver.
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:36:43 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

ccofjg@dct.ac.uk (Frazer Greig) writes:

>In article <2833@eagle.ukc.ac.uk>, arw@ukc.ac.uk (A.R.Whitham) writes:
>> Hi, 
>>    I don't suppose that anyone could tell me if there are any satellites
>> up which can be picked up by the old BSB DMAC squarial system?
>> I know that there are D2MAC satellites (french and german) but these
>> don't give stable pictures.
>> or is is a case of chucking it in the bin?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> --
>> Adam Whitham, MSc Materials Chemistry, The Chemical Laboratory, University of
>> Kent at Canterbury, Canterbury, Kent, CT2 7NS, UK.


>The simple answer is no, because of the polarisation of the squarial, it uses
>right hand circular polarisation. Therefore it can only pick up signals from
>satellites that use right hand circular polarisation, eg TDF1/2.

The squarial can be altered for lef-hand circular polarization, by dismantalling
it and turning over the antenna array (or so I have read!)

A rom is available written by rrussel et al. which converts a Philips STU902 receiver into a D2MAC rx.
>You can have your existing Ferguson BSB system upgraded to receive D2MAC/PAL
>for around #70. If you have a Philips, Nokia (like me) or Tatung you can trade
>them in for a Ferguson D2Mac/Pal receiver for #99.

>Contact Trac Systems on 0642 468145, 452555 (lines are busy).

>-- 
>Frazer Greig                 Internet: CCOFJG@DCT.AC.UK
>Computer Centre                 Janet: CCOFJG@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH
>Dundee Institute of Technology
From: roberts@triton.unm.edu (Robert Smathers)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite
Subject: IRC Chat scheduled for 8 pm ET on Sunday January 24
Date: 23 Jan 1993 01:38:11 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
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NNTP-Posting-Host: triton.unm.edu


The next IRC chat is scheduled for Sun Jan 24 at 8 pm ET
in the IRC channel #SATTV.  I have a feeling having this chat in the
evening may yield a better turnout.

See you there...

Robert
roberts@triton.unm.edu
From: bp@cs.brown.edu (Boris Putanec)
Subject: Re: Sony TAE2000ESD Source Direct
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Brown University
	<1993Jan26.071601.24146@nwnexus.WA.COM>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:12:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.071601.24146@nwnexus.WA.COM> kanefsky@halcyon.com (Steve Kanefsky) writes:

   The OVER indicator can even light with a 
   *digital* source if you turn the digital input level up too high, which 
   shows that the indicator by itself doesn't imply that digital clipping 
   is taking place.

So, is the digital input level just a way to equalize the volumes of
digital and analog inputs? Or will it clip if source direct is turned
of for digital inputs (sending it through the equalizer/etc instead of
just the D/A converter)?

Thanks.

boris
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From: fvr@broom.bae.bellcore.com (Frank Ricciardi)
Subject: SONY... May they rot in hell !!
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 13:52:55 GMT


	I would like to thank all of you who have responded to my posting about 
the SONY KV27XBR55 Geometric Distortion problems. In addition, I would love to 
hear from any and all of you who have had similar problems with SONY TV's. 

	I have a long standing complaint open with SONY, and I do intend to 
take legal action against them if they will not repair/replace my set. I will 
not, obviously, use anyone's names if this thing ever does get into court. 
However, I think SONY should be made aware of the number of customers who have 
to resort to "fixing" their own TV sets because;

a) SONY Sets have defects which the company will not acknowledge
b) SONY service personnel are incompetent.
c) Let's not even discuss their customer support reps.


	If a SONY TV has pissed you off and made you feel like you paid a 
premium price for an inferior product, let me know.

	Email to Frank R.  fvr@bae.bellcore.com (908)-699-2588 (daytime)



Thanks


Frank R.





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From: BWOLFE@CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: RGB Input on Mitsubishi TV
Date: 20 Jan 93 13:35:07 GMT
Organization: The Internet

I have an 8-pin RGB input on my 26" Mitsubishi TV (CS-2669R).
Can this be used to input a Hi-8 source via an S-video cable,
or is an S-video output compatible only with an S-video input?
Are such cables available? Also, are there any other potential
uses for connecting a camcorder or VCR directly to the RGB input?
I would appreciate any info regarding this.
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: gihan@bmerh886.BNR.CA (Gihan Karunaratne)
Subject: Re: Sony MDP-605 vs. MDP-333... Upgrade or not?
Reply-To: gihan@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:18:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.134109.10402@ac.dal.ca>, tominatr@ac.dal.ca writes:
|>I own a Sony MDP-333 LaserDisc player and am contemplating upgrading to an
|>MDP-605 via a partial trade-in. I know it can do special effects on CLV
|>discs

No. It does not have CLV special effects only dual side play.
Check out the MDP-405. It is supposed to have a digital TBC. According
to reports it also has a better audio and video quality than
the 333.
            

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Newsgroups: rec.video,rec.video.production
From: ollis@funlwb.stl.dec.com (Stephen Ollis)
Subject: Panasonic MX12 & MX50
Summary: Can the MX12 or MX50 do chroma keying?
Keywords: chroma,key,MX12,MX50
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:04:54 GMT


I want to play around with chroma keying and have the opportunity to hire 
either an MX12 or an MX50. 

a) can either of these machines do chroma keying?

b) what sort of inputs do I need? YC or composite?

Please reply via email...


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From: mallidi@a.cs.okstate.edu (MALLIDI SATYANARAY)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: CAMCORDER - MAIL ORDER COMPANIES LIST - REQUEST
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:09:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: a.1993Jan26.210939.11873
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater


    I would appreciate if netters who bought camcorders through mail,
    e-mail me the address/phone #s of reliable mail order companies.
    Also suggestions regararding avoiding any particular company due to
    bad experience are highly appreciated.

    Or, if any netter saved the list of mail order comapnies from 
    previous postings, I would appreciate if it is mailed to me.
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From: dwong@PICA.ARMY.MIL (David Wong, FSAC-AAD)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Problems with TR-81 Clone
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:12:57 GMT
Organization: The Internet

I have the Fujix H80 which is a clone of the TR-81.  A couple of weeks ago I
was starting to do some dubbing when I noticed the playback picture from a 
tape was in black and white.  I put in another tape and it was also in black
and white.  After a few minutes and after turning the power on and off,
everything returned to normal and the playback picture was fine.  Yesterday
I started playing a tape and it was again in black and white.  Then I switched
the camcorder from "VTR" to "CAMERA" and all that can be seen in the viewfinder
were wiggly lines.  This time the problem has not gone away by itself.

Has anybody had any similar experiences with the TR-81 or a clone?  Does 
anybody have any speculation as to what may be wrong?  Fortunately the Fujix
comes with a one year parts and labor warranty so I will be taking it in for
service in a few days (I purchased it in May 1992).  I will probably be taking
it to EC Electronics in New York City since they seem to be the closest
authorized service center around.  Has anybody had any dealings with them?
Thank you for any information.

David Wong
dwong@PICA.ARMY.MIL
From: lusol@Lehigh.EDU (Stephen O. Lidie)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Sony 27" T.V.
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:12:34 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University, Bethlehem PA

In article <93028.21069.6881300@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>
6881300@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

>I have a KV27EXR20 and I am not entirely pleased with it.  My next
>TV will be a Mitsubishi.  Sony had their chance, and they blew it.
>

Life is so weird... I also bought Sony until my last TV when I went to a
Mitsubishi 27" stero.  Since day one the stero has been strange, the on-screen
display often appears for no reason and the picture quality isn't what I'd
been led to expect.  So, you guessed it, my next TV will be a Sony because
Mitubishi had their chance (-:

SOL
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