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From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: mail-order
Date: 28 Dec 92 03:58:36 GMT

In <1992Dec28.024437.23656@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> J.David.W.Reeves@dartmouth.edu (J. David W. Reeves) writes:

>I know this is probably a faq, but I don't follow this group too
>frequently and don't have the answer.

>My situation:
>I would like to purchase an EOS Elan 28-80 USM kit for somewhat less
>than the $775 (!!) the local Canon dealer asks for it.

>The question:
>I see all the mail order ads in the back of the photo mags with pretty
>attractive prices for this kit ($509-$529).  I am aware that getting it
>with a US warranty will cost more, but I need to know which mail order
>houses have good reputations?  What is a reasonable price?

This is a FAQ (surprise, surprise).  Periodically the "rec.photo mail
order survey" comes around.  It's probably on the rec.photo ftp site,
moink.nmsu.edu, but the site seems down at the moment (unattended over
the holidays?).

>Thanks in advance for any responses
>-Dave Reeves

ACS
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From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Subject: Re: Is SB-25 that much better than SB-24??
Summary: SB-24 discontinued
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 23:33:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.183234.6289@iplmail.orl.mmc.com>, artc@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Art) writes:
> 
> 	I have finally decided to stay with Nikon equip....
> 	However, I can't decide if I should go with SB-24,
> 	or the "NEW" SB-25???
> 	please post your opinions here...


Unless your dealer still has SB-24 units in stock, the question is 
moot.  The 24 has been discontinued.  I was going to get a 24
because it was slightly cheaper, but the store no longer had any,
so I went with the 25 -- and am now in the process of trying out its
various features.

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From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Projector for 6x7 Cameras
Keywords: MAMIYA CABIN 6x7 Projector
Date: 22 Dec 92 22:18:19 GMT
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <Rinne.4.0@PC386.ikw.uni-hannover.dbp.de> Rinne@PC386.ikw.uni-hannover.dbp.de (Frank Rinne) writes:
>
>    I'am looking for a slide projector for my Pentax 67. 
>    Can I receive some informations about the Mamiya Cabin 67
>    projector.
>    I'am interested in
>     - power connection (115V or 220V)

	Can't remember.  Definitely 110V at least.  Even without the 220V
you can use a transformer easily.  I'll find out.

>     - magazines or only single slides

	Single slides.  It comes with adapters for 6 x 7, 6 x 6, 35mm and
uncut 120 (roll) film.

>     - price

	I think $1,200 or so, very cheap considering the price of $1,000
for the lens alone for Goetschmann projectors.  Somewhere at home I have
the brochures for the stuff.  I'll fax them to you if I find them.
One more thing: the Cabin appears to be very portable.

	Jan Bielawski
	Computervision, San Diego
	jpb@calmasd.prime.com

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From: dwing@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu (Dan Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Canon Elan - leave leader out?
Date: 28 Dec 92 17:43:58 GMT

I've heard of some Nikon 8008s owners sending their cameras back to Nikon to
get them reprogrammed to have the film leader left out when the film is
rewound.

Is this possible with the Canon Elan?

-Dan Wing, dwing@uh01.colorado.edu or wing_d@ucolmcc.bitnet (DGW11)
 Systems Administrator, University Hospital, Denver (DGW11)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: micki@netcom.com (Michelle Stone)
Subject: Re: 8008s remote shutter contacts
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:02:48 GMT

kjf388@tijc02.uucp (Ken Fisher          ) writes:

>I can't find any specific information regarding the remote shutter
>contacts in the operators manual for a new 8008s.  


.... and when you lose that little cover.... just try and find
a replacement for it!  I swear that even the local experts can't 
find it in their catalogs!  I hate little stuff like that.  I 
always lose it!  I can count on it.  That was one of the things
that I knew would happen when I bought the machine.

Michelle

-- 
micki@netcom.com

By the way.  I find myself to be a recent addition to the 
unemployment statistic.  I am a software manager.  If  you know
of an opportunity, please let me know!

Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: hasker@cs.uiuc.edu (Rob Hasker)
Subject: Re: Why NOT to get a Stylus
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:13:37 GMT

mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John) writes:

>Yashica- far better lens, better focus and exposure system.
	  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Have you done or seen the results of tests to support this?  As far as I
know, no one has yet published figures for P&S camera lenses.

Rob
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: PXY@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Pen-Li Yen)
Subject: For Sale: Canon F-1 etc, mint & cheap $450
Organization: Penn State Engineering Computer Lab
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 00:29:20 GMT
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The following equipments I would like to sell for a whole set, will
consider sell separately.

Canon F-1 body w/L flash coupler w/standard changeable finder
Canon 85mm f 1.8 SSC FD
Canon 28mm f 2.8 SC FD
Canon Extention Tubes M5, M10, and two M20 for micro photo
Canon soft case and strap

Above all are in near mint condition, with original Canon cases for
both two lens.

If you try to check the price list on the Shutterbug, please refer to
mint condition section.

The body is fully mechanical, late F-1 before F-1n, ss#5110XX.

$450 + shipping (with money back warranty)
$450 including shipping (sale as is)

I am very sure its in excellent working condition, no scretches.
You probably can buy a lot of accessories for this professional camera.

Yuesea (803)6548817 
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: Canon 10s Vs Nikon N90, Which one?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 11:15:04 GMT

In article <BztsnC.3L7@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse) writes:
...
>     You and the other guy who posted something about needing focusing
> aid because Nikon user can use MF lens obviousely never owned a
> fast lens and used it for a portrait type tight head shot with the lens
> wide open.  The split screen doesn't work when you try to use it one
> someone's eye.  With a horizontal split screen, you need somthing
> vertical to split, there isn't anything vertical in a person's eyes.
> If you are used to using zoom, you don't have to worry about things
> like critical focuse because the pin hole zoom will give you plenty
> of DOF so if your focusing is close, that's plenty good enough.  With
> a 85mm wide open at 1.2 and up close, split screen and microprism
> just doesn't give you an accurate enough focus.  On the other hand,
> maybe it's just me and my eyeballs.
> 

Hum, do it often, but with the cross-split screen. Works a treat.

I think someones eyes must be worse than mine, or, have the wrong ( small
apature ) screen in their Nikon.

~Paul

Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: michael9@nadine.cs.mun.ca (Michael Sullivan)
Subject: My camera purchase...
Keywords: Minolta
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 15:14:27 GMT

    	[The story: My Pratika is broken.  I want a new camera that will let
	me use my Tamron lenses.]

	After much deliberation, I have finally decided to go with the 
Minolta X-700.  It has all the features I need, and more.  I
orignally was thinking of the X-9, for price reasons.  But then
I discovered how cheap things are at B&H.  The local camera shops
here all wanted about $370 CDN for the X-700;  at B&H it is only 
$199 US.  Even after paying the exchange on the dollar (which is
down at the moment), the tariffs, and the GST, I'm getting the 
X-700 for less then the local people wanted for the X-9.

    I would like to thank everyone for their responses and suggestions;
I received a lot of mail!  I have compiled all the replies, so if anyone
ever needs suggestions/advice on the X series, just drop me a line.



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From: jspirer@rain.next.com (Jeff Spirer)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Which lenses report focusing distance electronically?
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:48:39 GMT

In article <TJWU.92Dec28153541@carbonara.mit.edu> tjwu@athena.mit.edu  
(Thomas J Wu) writes:
> Are Nikon's D-series lenses the only AF lenses that report focus  
distance
> to the camera body?  Do any Canon, Minolta, or third-party lenses do  
this?

Don't most autofocus point-and-shoots do this?  My understanding is that  
they use the "flashmatic" system that controls light output by distance  
from the camera of the subject.  This would require some sort of  
information from the autofocus system.
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Re: Canon 10s Vs Nikon N90, Which one?
Date: 28 Dec 92 18:10:03 GMT

In <BzzBo5.3r9@ra.nrl.navy.mil> tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse) writes:

>In article <1992Dec28.161527.12775@eua.ericsson.se> Harald.Brandt@eua.ericsson.se (Harald Brandt) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec18.031906.10270@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> 
>>kram@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (kameswar.r.ati) writes:
>>release downward. (If you are interested, I bought: 28-105/3.5-4.5 USM, 
>>24-35/2.8L, 200/2.8L, Extender X1.4.  Well it WAS expensive!!  I bought it 
>>in the UK and got the sales tax back (17.5%)).

>    You are one of the few people who actually bought good lens with
>a fancy body.  Most people seems to buy a fancy body so they talk about
>all the creature features and slap on the cheapest zoom they can find.
>On rare occasion, they may actually find time to take a few pictures :)

Nah.  Don't be silly.  Why own the good glass when you can rent it?
(At least that's my excuse! :-)

>Now what I want to know is, is it really a 24-35L or is it a 20-35L or
>are there actually 2 different lens?  I know Canon used to make a
>24-35L for the FD mount and I have seen ads for a 20-35L for FD and EF
>mount, but I don't think the FD 20-35L nor the EF 24-35L actually exist.

I've never heard of an EF 24-35L, and I wouldn't see the point of it
either.  Like you say, there is an EF 20-35/2.8L.

>Reason I ask is I was thinking about getting the FD 20-35L when I saw
>the ad, but the only wide L zooms I've seen in real life are 24-35, since
>I already have the 24L, I can't justify spending $1000 on a lens unless
>it goes down to 20mm.

Well, looking at my F1N brochure, I see an FD 20-35/3.5L and an FD
28-55/3.5-4.5.  I don't see anything like an FD 24-35.  So go for it! :-)

>-Anthony

>PS When are you getting the 85L to complete you lens inventory :)

From the looks of what he bought, he's not doing portraiture.
Besides, his credit card needs a vacation.  (Mine is groaning in
agony just thinking about it... :-)

ACS
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From: Andy.Taylor@brunel.ac.uk (Andy J Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Dumb Photographers
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:42:08 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK


My Dad's favourite story about dumb photographers is that he once saw
two people trying to take flash photos of the Moon.  Of course they
were wasting their time because they weren't waiting for the light to
bounce off the Moon before opening the shutter! :-)

Andy

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From: arora@arora.mentorg.com (Arora Amitabh @ PCB x3080)
Subject: Vivitar flash with EOS cameras
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:21:35 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics Inc.
Keywords: vivitar canon eos compatibility
Followup-To: 

Has anyone tries the Vivitar 2800 flash with the Canon EOS 630 and Elan
cameras?  I already have such a flash and will wait to get the Canon flash
untill I have sufficient money.

Also, which will be the best substitute/compatible third party flash for the
EOS cameras?  What do I give up by going with them ?

Your response will save me substancial amount of money.

Thanks in advance.

-Amitabh Arora
From: mikec@spider.co.uk (Mike Coren)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Velvia Reciprocity Info?
Date: 24 Dec 92 11:44:45 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <12430090@hpmwnpd2.sr.hp.com> allana@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Allan Armstrong) writes:
>
>         [...]                      I also think Velvia is slower than
>advertised ...
>

I read an article in one of the British photo mags--I think it was Amateur
Photographer--where they went on site with a pro and he said he normally
rates Velvia at ASA 32 instead of 50.

>Allan

Mike

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Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Help on Minolta 8000i
From: CUNY/Spartacus <I18BC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 23 Dec 1992 22:32:26 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

In article <1992Dec16.012958.29468@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
ianchan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ian Hin Yun Chan) says:
>
> ___
>/   \
>
>\___/   is one possible display, and
>
> ___
>/   \
>  *
>\___/   is another possible display. This is also what appears when I press
>        the "Program" button.
>
>Am I right in guessing that the first is center-weighted, and the other
>intelligent exposure?

Yup! :)

>Thanks!

Welcome!
>- Ian
>
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From: tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse)
Subject: Re: Longish macro lens for EOS. (was Re: Canon 10s Vs Nikon N90, Which one?)
Organization: Naval Research Lab, Washington, DC
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:09:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.114813.14404@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih) writes:
>In <1992Dec30.151756.24872@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>
>>                                    [...] BTW, why in carnation
>>would anyone need an AF macro lens?  Oh well.
>
>My guess is anything that moves, including flowers being disturbed by
>wind, and small, but LIVE critters!

    Have you ever actually used a macro lens for close up work before?
Cause if you have, you'll have noticed DOF and the exact point of focus
is important.  AF camera will foucs to where it feel is the right place,
in macro work, that may not be the place you want.

-Anthony

-Anthony
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: HELP: history of Nikkormat FS ( or FT-S actualy )
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:35:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.045347.20226@hubcap.clemson.edu>, ychen@hubcap.clemson.edu (Eric Chen) writes:
> Recently, I got a chance to collect two near mint condition Nikkormat FS
> (both made in 1974).  I have check over some literature but can not
> found anything about this model.  No one sell it in Shutterbug or
> Popular Photography.  Since I have two of them, I would like to sell
> one.  But I don't know the current price is.  
> 
> Does someone on the net can help me out? 
> 

Yeah, I used one for a rew years. Selected shutter, no meter, X sync only,
heavy duty internals. Ideal for beating uppity Fs and the random brick-shit-
houses to pulp. Also fun to take into the local foto shop with " my meter don't
work" and have him say " Ah, flat battery sir, I'll just .... ah.... change..."
as he looks for the non-existant battery compartment. ;-)

Made for the pro wedding/portrait market. Some of these people can run 3000-
5000 shots per day, 5 days per week!

If I had 2, I would hang on to them both. Or sell the second to a pro who can
get a new one any more. As to price?? I would ask twice or more of a standard
mat.

~Paul

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From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (gvb@acd4.acd.com)
Subject: Where to post this...
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:02:45 GMT

Start Captured Text:


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We will be accepting pictures from any color format.  Your
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From: acs@csri.toronto.edu (Alvin Chia-Hua Shih)
Subject: Re: Which lens: EF 28-105 or 35-105?
Date: 25 Dec 92 02:34:17 GMT

In <gfC_xKC00WBM42HpY6@andrew.cmu.edu> lc0v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Luis Abdon Cifuentes) writes:

>Hi,
> after the great Nikon vs. Canon debate, I am a converted to Canon!
>(sorry Nikon fans). I would like to upgrade my 8008 to an A2. Now the
>question is which lens to get with it.
> 
Hey!  The debate isn't over yet!  :-)

At least my typing has not gone in vain!  :-)

>I am looking for a good "all purpose" zoom lens. 
>Is the new 28-105 a good lens? How does it compares to the 35-105?

The 28-105 is reputed to be very good lens.  It zooms in three sections
rather than two, which should make it optically more consistent through
the range.  It's supposed to be almost as good as the 28-70, and I've
been told that Chasseur d'Images gave it 5 stars for performance/price
(and the 28-105 *isn't* the cheapest lens around).

There is supposed to be slight vignetting when wide open at 28 mm.

>The extension to 28mm is not crucial, I would probably use more the
>105mm end of the range.  I wouldn't want to give up too much sharpness
>for an incrased range.

Perfect!  Then the 28-105 is for you!

>I have heard that the 28-70 was very good, but is a little in the short
>side. What about the 28-80?

Not quite as good as the 28-70.  If you can afford the 28-105, go for
it!  The 28-70 and 28-80 have filter threads that get sucked into the
lens barrel at middle focal lengths (a range around 50 mm).  This makes
it awful for filter systems like the Cokin, or for using step-up
rings.  (If you buy/rent "L" zoom lenses, most of them have 72 mm
filter threads.)  It should have the same filter diameter as the 70-210
USM and the 100-300 USM, which is another plus.

>So, EOS experts out there, which lens has better optical qualities?
>Thanks in advance.

I might still be inclined to believe that the 28-70 is the best in
its focal length.  But if you need the reach, the 28-105 is very
nearly as good, and much more versatile with filters et. al.

>Luis

ACS
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