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From: bpburke@athena.mit.edu (Brian P Burke)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Samuel Adams Dopplebock
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:34:44 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Just wanted to add my experiences with Sam Adams to this discussion...

First the list of their beers...

Year round: Boston Lager
	    Boston Ale
	    Lightship

Seasonal: Dobblebock (spring)
	  Summer Wheat (Summer)
	  Octoberfest (Fall)
	  Winter Lager (Winter)
	  Cranberry Lambic (tested in the Holiday packs)

Of all of these, my favorite is definitely Octoberfest.  When they
first brewed it 3 years ago, they sold out of their 40,000 cases in 4 weeks.
The second year they brewed 80,000 cases and also sold out if 4 weeks.
Last year they brewed 120,000 cases and still sold out in about 4 weeks.
I bought out every store where I saw it in this area and still couldn't get
enough.

As for their kegs, they only sell their special brews to pubs (as far as I know)
but you should be able to get the other three wherever bottles are sold.
Right now Sam Adams is not sold in all states but they are working on this.
They also have a brewery in Germany for the European market (although I've
heard that they aren't doing very well there.  Unfortunately their expansion
has caused problems around here.  Earlier this spring when they opened their
market in Florida, they became overextended and stopped supplying stores
here in New England (I guess they knew we would wait).

Anyway, Their kegs and bottled beer taste the same (mostly because it is 
brewed in exactly the same way.  Most other breweries use different processes
or different size tanks for kegs)

For those of you who have never had Sam Adams, try it. It is an excelent
beer (although not everyone will like it)

-Brian
From: kurt@dna.lth.se (Kurt Swanson)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Guinness sells out! (was Re: Pub Draught Guinness in Chicago!)
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:18:15 GMT
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden

In article <Bt4yG3.4J2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
>lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes:
>>Heathen! Blashpemer! Guinness SHOULD be served at room temperature! Good
>>lord, man, you've been drinking too many Amerikan pisswater beers!
>
>	I don't know that it needs to be as warm as room temperature.  I
>would say more like 55 degrees.  That's all beside the point, though.  The
>canned pub draught Guiness has to be served chilled.  If you open the can
>when warm, the funky nitrogen injecting gizmo causes the beer to foam all
>over the place, and you lose half your beer.  Chilled Guiness is better than
>no Guiness.
>
I prefer 60F, (or 15C, to those of us in the real world), but that is
not my point.  My point is, is that it seems Guinness has "sold out"
to the cold beer drinkers.  Undoubtably, most people are not so
cultured to drink beer at warmer temperatures, and the can can (sorry)
only be made to work with the right fizziness at one general
temperature range.  Thus Guinness has chosen the style that most
people drink *all* beer, cold.  It is for this reason that I don't buy
canned Guinness.
Kurt Swanson, Dept. of Computer Science,
Lunds universitet.  Kurt.Swanson@dna.lth.se
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From: holdensj@BusLab.cba.ufl.edu (STEPHEN J HOLDEN)
Subject: Re: Australian Beer Drinking Song
Organization: College of Business, University of Florida
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:00:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.175648.12094@mksol.dseg.ti.com> bryanh@dseg.ti.com (Bryan Hazel) writes:

>Can any of you Aussies straighten me out about this song? Help with the lyrics.
>When was it released? Is this a famous Oz beer drinking anthem or just some cheap
>ripoff that was pawned off on us gullible Americans? Please E-Mail at either:
>bryanh@skeng1.dseg.ti.com     or
>bryanh@hoodlum.dseg.ti.com

Yep -- it's a real song although hardly what we would call a "drinking 
song."  It was written and sung by a Perth born guy called Rolf Harris who 
now lives in Britain.  He had a string of songs that did pretty well -- 
one that I have heard covered over here in the States occasionally is Jake 
the Peg (with an extra leg).

There have been some drinking songs that are sung to the same tune and have 
the same style, but the words are different!!!  For examples, see the end -- 
DO NOT read if you are easily offended!  I have heard these variations on 
_Tie_Me_Kangaroo_Down_Sport_ sung at gatherings of rugby players and 
hashers.  (Hashers, by their own designation, are "beer drinkers with a 
running problem" -- they combine running with an after-run beer drinking, 
song singing, chugging party known as the on-on).


>                          Tie Me Kangaroo Down
>                          ====================

>Let me e'bows (elbows?) go loose, Lou. Let me e'bows go loose.
>They're of no further use, Lou. So, let me e'bows go loose.

The actual words to this verse are:

Let me abo's go loose, Bruce.  Let me abo's go loose.
They're of no further use, Bruce, so let me abo's go loose.

"Abo" is a short name (and pejorative term) for Aboriginals.


The other versions of Tie Me Kangaroo Down:

Bestiality's Best Boys:

Chorus:
Bestiality's best boys, bestiality's best, (f*** a wallaby)
Bestiality's best boys, bestiality's best.

Leave your goo in a roo boys, leave your goo in a roo.
Leave your goo in a roo boys, leave your goo in a roo (because . . .)

Chorus:
Bestiality's best boys ....

Leave your sperm in a worm boys, etc.
Put your log in a dog boys, etc
Put your dick in a chick boys, etc
Ground your mound on a hound girls, etc

. . . make up verses ad nauseaum

There is another version of this song that I have heard.  It is called 
Incest is Best Boys.  You can probably imagine how this goes, so I wont 
bother giving you any of the words.  Look up your nearest rugby club or hash 
group if you insist on getting some of the words!

Kanga (that's my hash name!)
From: david.hales@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (David Hales) 
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Stubbies
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:27:00 GMT
Reply-To: david.hales@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (David Hales) 
Distribution: world
Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241

DB>A couple years ago Canada (or BC, if this wasn't a national decision)
DB>switched from a "universal" bottle (what in the US would be called
DB>a flip-top stubby) to allowing the breweries to design their own
DB>bottles.  While I applaud the move towards greater freedom in brewing,
DB>there was something, ...I don't know..., *nostalgic* about the
DB>Canadian stubbies

Agreed.  Actually there is one small brewery in Alberta that still uses
the old stubbies to bottle it's BEER (generic brand).  I've often
thought that one of our nationals (Molson springs to mind) should start
bottling Molson Canadian in the old bottles as part of their "Molson,
what beer's all about" campaign.  You know, traditionalism and all that.
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From: burd@pilot.njin.net (Barry Burd)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Kellgren's Wine Book Catalogue
Keywords: wine
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:29:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Has anyone seen Kellgren's Wine Book Catalogue?  I hear it's great but
I don't know where to find a copy.  
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From: josef@informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Josef Kaltwasser)
Subject: Good Beer on Channel Islands ?
Followup-To: alt.beer
Organization: RWTRH Aachen
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 07:18:25 GMT

Hello everyone !

I'm going to the Channel Islands ( Jersey & Guernsey ) in about two weeks
and
I'm wondering if anyone could recommend any good local beers or pubs over
there.

Thanks in advance
Josef


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From: hersh@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Jay Hersh)
Subject: Re: Who owns Sam Adams??
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:24:42 GMT

hasn@midway.uchicago.edu (Sheheryar Hasnain) writes:

>I recall reading in an Anheuser Busch annual report that it owns San Adams.  
>Is that true?

This wouldbe news to everyone around here. To the best of our
knowledge Sam Adams, really the Boston Beer Company is owned 
solely by Jim Koch. In fact they do not really have that much
in the way of assets. They own the old Hoffenreffer brewery site 
(thinks it's hoff...) in Jamaica Plain (a Boston neighborhood)
in which they have a small brewing setup (much of which once was
part of Bill Newman's Albany, NY setup). Most of their beer is 
produced in various locationsunder contract. 

Bottled and kegged Lagers  East Coast & MidWest - Pittsburgh Brewing Co.
			   West Coast - Blitz Weinhard

Bottled Boston Ale (East Coast at least)- F.X. Matt's in Utica, NY

Other stuff, who knows, read the labels....

As such it is unlikely that AB would own Sam Adams and have them contract
brew beer to their competitors, so I think this is probably a mistake.


	JaH
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From: mece1xg@Elroy.UH.EDU (purna)
Subject: availability of Celis (was Re: I agree!)
Reply-To: mece1xg@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:53:22 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.042643.7639@wixer.cactus.org>, lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes:
>
> [...stuff deleted...]
>
>ObBeerAvailablity: Is Celis available outside the greater Austin/Central Texas
>area yet?  I've been developing a real taste for the Golden, and would like to
>be able to find it in other parts of the state/country.
>
howdy!

well, Celis (all three "colors") are available here in Houston.  though,
i prefer the white of all of them, myself.

-purna
From: "john fix" <john.fix@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: beer alphabet
Date: 12 Aug 92 10:28:18 EST
Reply-To: "john fix" <john.fix@execnet.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Executive Networks Information

JB>Xingu from South America (Brazil?) would be better.  It's also
JB>a very good beer.  It is based on a black beer brewed by
JB>Amazon Natives, wherin the grains are chewed up and spat
JB>into a large pot, and fermented naturally by whatever falls
JB>into the pot (or was in their saliva).

        Yummy... I gather then that they probably don't use
        bleach to clean the pot first?

                             -= John =-
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From: mcrosbie@unix1.tcd.ie (Mark J. Crosbie)
Subject: Re: Pub Draught Guinness in Chicago!
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:12:22 GMT

In <1992Aug17.030722.6804@wixer.cactus.org> lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes:

>Heathen! Blashpemer! Guinness SHOULD be served at room temperature! Good
>lord, man, you've been drinking too many Amerikan pisswater beers!
> .--------------------------------------------------------------------------.
>/ Lyle J \ lestat@wixer.cactus.org /  Team Doofus  \ DoD / Nobody else WANTS \
>\ Mackey /     Social Engineer     \ '89 Kaw EX500 / 587 \  my  opinions...  /
> `--------------------------------------------------------------------------'

Ahem!

As a native of Dublin where we all know they brew Guinness,
and as a drinker of only Guinness, I have to disagree!

Guinness is, and should be, served cool, if not cold.
There should be a light condensation on the glass and the beer
should be cold to the taste.
If it isn't served cold, then complain.

However, there is a tradition in Dublin of the "Warm Tap".
*Very* few pubs do this - the Guinness from a warm tap is Uncooled
and some (sick) people like it this way.

Please Drink Guinness Properly!

Mark Crosbie	mcrosbie@vax1.tcd.ie
Dept. of Computer Science
Trinity College, Dublin
Dublin 2
Ireland.

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From: emeeks@unity.ncsu.edu (Edward Meeks)
Subject: Re: Language of Beer (War: Re: Bar Trek (The Old Generation))
Organization: North Carolina State University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 18:34:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.171029.23659@Csli.Stanford.EDU> kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.020121.27993@geovision.gvc.com> pt@geovision.gvc.com (HetalkssofastIdidn'tgethisname)writes:
>>kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle "Sorry, Charlie" Wohlmut) writes:
>>
>>>SLAM: A weird process of punching a hole in the bottom of a beer,
>>>covering the hole with your mouth and then opening the top, thus
>>>releasing the entire contents of the can into your mouth in under 3
>>>seconds... only hardened frat boys know how to do this correctly
>>>(note: 'slam' involves a completely different process for shots)
>>
>>I just spent 6 months in the UK in the company of some Texans, (don't
>>ask...), and they all called that 'Shotgun'.  It seemed to be some sort
>>of frat thing.  
>
>OK, OK!  I stand corrected already... my balls have been nailed to the
>floor with mail and posts that I screwed the moose on that one.  YES,
>IT IS CALLED 'SHOTGUN.' (What's the world coming to when a Brit
>corrects -my- Californian...
>

Actually, I've heard it called a "Torpedo" as well. In my experience
"Shotgunning" beers could also mean beer-bonging.

Torpedo is an apt description: Get hit by two or three in rapid
succession, and you could go under pretty fast. :)
From: crittend@cs.unc.edu (bac)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: availability of Celis (was Re: I agree!)
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:17:18 GMT
Reply-To: crittend@cs.unc.edu
Organization: Worldwide Pants Incorporated

In article <1992Aug20.145322.3764@menudo.uh.edu>, mece1xg@Elroy.UH.EDU (purna) writes:
)From: mece1xg@Elroy.UH.EDU (purna)
)Newsgroups: alt.beer
)Subject: availability of Celis (was Re: I agree!)
)Date: 20 Aug 92 14:53:22 GMT
)Organization: University of Houston
)
)In article <1992Aug20.042643.7639@wixer.cactus.org), lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes:
))
)) [...stuff deleted...]
))
))ObBeerAvailablity:Is Celis available outside the greater Austin/Central Texas
))area yet? I've been developing a real taste for the Golden, and would like to
))be able to find it in other parts of the state/country.
))
)
)well, Celis (all three "colors") are available here in Houston. 

gingerman's in dallas has all three too.

i seriously doubt it's available outside of texas.  probably not
anywhere but austin, houston, dallas, and san antonio.
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From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Language of Beer (War: Re: Bar Trek (The Old Generation))
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 19:35:15 CDT
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS, New Orleans, LA

tbigham@shearson.com (Tim Bigham) writes:

> In article <1992Aug12.205552.17566@Csli.Stanford.EDU> kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU
>
> >SLAM: A weird process of punching a hole in the bottom of a beer,
> >covering the hole with your mouth and then opening the top, thus
> >releasing the entire contents of the can into your mouth in under 3
> >seconds... only hardened frat boys know how to do this correctly
> >(note: 'slam' involves a completely different process for shots)
> >
>
> I thought the above was called a "SHOTGUN".
>
>
> --
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I grew up calling that technique a 'TORPEDO', so I guess it depends where
you're from...



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From: pyle@intellistor.com (Norm Pyle)
Subject: Re: Canadian pisswater (was: Beer/Brewing Periodicals?)
Organization: Intellistor, Longmont, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 14:40:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.164316.2814@cid.aes.doe.CA> aspgtoc@cidsv01.cid.aes.doe.CA (Claude Toupin) writes:
>
>  BTW, I'm not a fan of "industrial beer" (That's why I brew my own).  I
>just want you to be fair: a Canadian beer is usually better than a U.S. beer.
>
Maybe true about the "industrial beer"'s but I'd put a good fresh Sierra
Nevada Pale Ale or an Odell's 90 Schilling up against any beer in the world.
Of course, then it would come down to personal tastes, etc.

Oh, I wouldn't call any beer "pisswater".  To each his own, I say.

Norm
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From: ted@telematics.com (Ted Goldblatt)
Subject: Re: Mass market beers: any (really) good ones?
Organization: Telematics Intl., Inc.; Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:38:53 GMT

In article <BtAAG1.CDp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons) writes:
>Sam Adam's is approaching mass-market level and is darn tasty.
>

True on taste.  As far as mass-market is concerned, it is certainly
the most widely available mini (super-micro?) around here (though
usually only the lager, and not on draught :-().  Available means
bars, resturaunts, and liquor stores; only occasionally available
at supermarkets or convenience stores.

Is Sam Adam's available nationwide?  I had been led to believe that 
it was only found on the east coast, maybe this has changed.

To make this article worthy of a Distribution: world (:-)), what is
the availability of the better US brews elsewhere in the world?  By
better, I mean Sam Adam's products, Anchor products, Sierra Nevada
products, or anything from "real" micros.  _Nothing_ from A-B,
Strohs, Coors, etc. would count, unless they are sending better
beer there than they sell here :-).

ted
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From: lsmith@giga.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Pub Draught Guinness in Chicago!
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:41:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor

In article <1992Aug17.030722.6804@wixer.cactus.org> lestat@wixer.cactus.org (Lyle J. Mackey) writes:
>In article <92226.195553DMALZAHN@HARPERVM.BITNET> Don Malzahn <DMALZAHN@HARPERVM.BITNET> writes:
>>
>>Course I am sad, because they sold it warm. So I am drinking a Petes  Wicked
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>As it should be...
>
>>Ale while I wait for the Guinness to chill.
>
>Heathen! Blashpemer! Guinness SHOULD be served at room temperature! Good
>lord, man, you've been drinking too many Amerikan pisswater beers!

Here's something I'm curious about. As I understand it, Guinness should be 
served at cellar temperature and not room temperature. (I mean at the moment
my room temperature would be close to 80F.) Now cellar temp is about 50F to 
maybe 60F. 

So I'd say it is legit to chill Guinness, but I wouldn't serve it cold.
Nothing worse than having to wait for a good stout (not just Guinness)
to warm up to a point where your tastebuds get the full flavor.
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From: dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman)
Subject: Re: BAD PILSNER URQUELL
Organization: The Spud Goodman Show
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 15:32:21 GMT

In article <BsL1vF.8xH@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
>In article 1726@rosedale.uucp, dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman) writes:
>>In article <29JUL92.19560344.0046@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> Barbora Deschenes <BRAB@UNB.CA> writes:
>>>Dear gents, it's not a question of marketing, but rather a question of
>>>light filtering through green glass better than brown glass
>>>
>>Hmmm...  And this is why a dry drink-it-quick wine like a Kabinet is
>>bottled in green glass, and a sweeter, store-it-away wine like an
>>Auslese is bottled in brown glass?
>
>Wine doesn't have hops.  Besides, I don't even like wine.
>
>During the boil, certain chemicals are extracted from the hops.  When
>exposed to light, these chemicals produce the all-too-familiar "skunky"
>flavor in the beer.  Light passes more easily through green glass than
>through brown glass.  Therefore, beer in green bottles has a higher
>potential for turning skunky than beer in brown bottles.
>

That was my point!  The original poster implied that green glass was
used for "higher quality" beers that should be bottle conditioned;
the stated rationale being that beer *ages* better in green glass!
(That's why Mickey's is so industrial-tasting!  I haven't let it
bottle-condition long enough! :-)  )

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From: brown@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Dan Brown)
Subject: Re: Samuel Adams Dopplebock
Organization: Subversive Student Publications un-inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 21:32:09 GMT

In an earlier posting bpburke@athena.mit.edu (Brian P Burke) writes:
>
>Of all of these, my favorite is definitely Octoberfest.  When they

I have had all save for the Cranberry Lambic which isn't really a lambic.
My fav's are the Dopple Bock, and the Boston Ale. 

Both of them seem to be fairly seasonal around here. The only one that I
can ALWAYS get is the lager.

>As for their kegs, they only sell their special brews to pubs (as far as I know)
>but you should be able to get the other three wherever bottles are sold.

I haven't really tried to get the special stuff in kegs... the lager is 
about $100/keg around here. Almost got one about a week ago :-).

>Anyway, Their kegs and bottled beer taste the same (mostly because it is 
>brewed in exactly the same way.  Most other breweries use different processes
>or different size tanks for kegs)

I dissagree. The kegged SA that I have had has generally tasted a good bit
fresher than the bottled stuff. The difference isn't nearly as great as
the difference between kegged Guinness and bottled Guinness though.

>For those of you who have never had Sam Adams, try it. It is an excelent
>beer (although not everyone will like it)

It is certainly not a bad beer. I have had enough of it that is has kinda
become somewhat mundane though. I feel that there are much better beers to 
be had. But... I certainly wouldn't turn down a bottle if it were offered!

Later.


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