HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: philip@reed.edu (Philip Moore)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,sci.econ,alt.elections,alt.activism,or.general,pdx.general
Subject: Petition for choice
Summary: State of the campaign
Keywords: petition for choice
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:10:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Apr8.031013.8895
Followup-To: philip@reed.edu (e-mail)
Distribution: or
Organization: Reed College, Portland OR

The Perot petition campaign in Oregon is about to officially begin.  The 
campaign to get a third viable choice on the presidential ballot in November
will involve gathering signatures of over 34,000 Oregonians who are registered
voters who participated in the last two general elections.  This means active
informed members of our community will have to be contacted and encouraged to
circulate petitions among their aquaintances.

The delay in this process has resulted from the series of intricacies required
by state election laws that prohibit a candidate from petitioning without a
declared and confirmed VP.  In other words for Perot to maintain the 
flexibility to name his choice for VP at the same time the other major
candidates name theirs he must form a third political party.  Oregon has some
of the most prohibitive election laws in the US.  The petition drive is being
registered with the Secretary of State's office 4/8/92.  Look for coverage in
the Oregonian.

If you are willing to participate in this effort please e-mail me or telephone
the Oregon coordinator of the campaign Toby Terrell at (503)682-3898.  By
reclaiming our ownership rights and exercising our ownership responsibilities
we can save our country.
-- 
They did not call it the career politician office, they did not call it the
public relations office, they did not call it the wealthy elite office;
no, when the drafters of our Constitution set down in words the foundations of
our great country they spoke to the voters of the 1992 Presidential election.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.drugs,misc.legal
From: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)
Subject: Re: 60 Minutes piece on the Forfeiture Law
Reply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu
Organization: IFS Project, University of Michigan
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:38:51 GMT

kenneth@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:

>There was a thing on "60 Minutes" about the 1984 Seizure Law.
>Apparently, the police have the right to take anything and everything
>they want to at any time if they _suspect_ drugs are in any way involved.
>They don't even have to charge you with a crime, and they can keep what
>they've seized.  One guy had to buy back his own seized jet at a gov't
>seizure auction.  That is bullshit.  I suspect that this law may be 
>ruled unconstitutional, go to the Supreme Court, and be ultimately upheld
>by the ultra right-wing court.  Maybe, maybe not.  But it is a very bad
>law.  

My understanding from the information presented in the story was that
the law had already been challenged and found to be constitutional.
Does anybody know what the test case was and what rationale was used
to determine the constitutionality of the seizure law?  Is the 
decision online somewhere?


James W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu
University of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh
Ann Arbor, MI   48103-4943         
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.guns
From: booth@mdd.comm.mot.com (Greg Booth)
Subject: Re: right to bear arms
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:51:28 GMT

In <1992Apr8.001747.14679@athena.mit.edu> sybok@m11-113-3.MIT.EDU (The Terminator) writes:

>In article <1992Apr7.203624.5638@talon.ucs.orst.edu> mcgredo@bluto.ie.orst.edu writes:
>>cl231519@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes
>>>A note about the constitution and the right to bear arms:
>>>
>>>1)it guarantees your right to own a musket.(that's all thefirearms they had
>>>back then)

>Wrong.  They also had flintlock concealable pistols and cannons.
>Besides, it would be the right to own and carry a musket even by your


In a paper presented to the Royal Society in 1663, Palmer described
the theory of operation used by modern machine guns, both recoil and
gas-operated.  In 1718, Puckle was granted a patent on an automatic
weapon.  (Multiple-barrel weapons, which Palmer's and Puckle's
weren't, were developed centuries earlier.  Some of these earlier guns
also used a rather clever way of getting multiple shots from the same
barrel without reloading.  Our ancestors may have been handicaped by
their knowledge of materials, but they weren't stupid; they were
considerably more imaginative than Osborn gives them credit for.  They
actually "anticipated" quite a bit.)

Revolvers had also been invented by the 1770s and the Brits actually
used semi-autos against the colonials.



-- 
Greg Booth BSc                        | Diligentia-Vis-Celeritas
BCAA-PCDHF-BCWF-NFA-NRA-IPSC-BCFSS    |  	Incolumitas
Motorola Mobile Data Division         | 
booth@mdd.comm.mot.com CGB003 at X400MRP
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From: robertj@Autodesk.COM (Young Rob Jellinghaus)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Straight Child molesters?
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:40:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: autodesk.11073
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

In article <o5DaJB8w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
>'Bigotry' in itself is not bad. You might call learning that cars
>will squish you and avoiding them 'bigotry' with as much imagination
>as it takes to label dislike of the gay 'lifestyle' bigotry.
>
>You guys wanna do it that way.... FINE.
>
>Just don't call me names when I call a spade a spade.

Then you won't mind if we call 'em as we see 'em, too?

Good.  djk, you're a textbook-case bigot.

big.ot (big'et) n. A person who is intolerant, esp. in matters of
religion, race, or politics.  (OED fr.) -- big'oted adj. big'otry n.

You're intolerant of homosexuals, djk.  You're a bigot.  And what's
more, you're proud of it.  We're not calling you names; we're
calling a spade a spade.

--
Rob Jellinghaus                | "Next time you see a lie being spread or
Autodesk, Inc.                 |  a bad decision being made out of sheer
Internet: robertj@Autodesk.COM |  ignorance, pause, and think of hypertext."
AMIX: RJELLINGHAUS             |    -- K. Eric Drexler, _Engines of Creation_
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From: emmett@kpc.com (Emmett Kilgariff)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: LP, GATT, and Beer (Was: Ross Perot)
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:19:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: kpc.1992Apr6.181904.1173
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Corporation, Santa Clara, CA

In article <1992Apr5.165021.18118@morrow.stanford.edu> GA.JRG@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:
>
>Thanks for the explanation.  While the LP favors any step which
>increases free trade, what we really believe in in unilateral
>removal of trade barriers.  Consumers in any country which imposes
>trade barriers are the ones who suffer.  Even Japanese consumers
>suffer because of the restrictions placed there on the importation
>of foreign goods.  We think consumers should not have to pay the
>price for government power games to protect favored industries.  We
>would work to eliminate any and all trade barriers any place we can.
>

The Japanese consumers suffer from trade barriers now that they're a major
econimic force. In the Post WWII trade barriers on key products (like
televisions) enabled their industries to survive and grow, since they had no 
external competition. Japan's consumers would not be as well off today
if trade barriers weren't in place when they were needed.
From: sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: The erudite National Review picks on Bill Clinton's daughter
Date: 17 Apr 1992 03:32:03 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.crhc.uiuc.edu

In article <farenebt.703474935@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>, farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Big Bri) writes:
|> sunder@altair.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <92107.125841MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, Norman St. John Polevaulter <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> 
|> >|> >
|> >|> >National Review, like most opinion magazines, also has some humour in
|> >|> >it. They make fun of all sorts of things. So what?
|> >|> 
|> >|> Let me get this straight. The National Review, a gigantic political
|> >|> magazine, teases a twelve-year-old schoolgirl in print over her name, and
|> >|> you don't see anything wrong whatsoever?
|> 
|> >Sigh. NR was teasing Hilary (as they said, "Pillory Hilary") over her choice of
|> >names. And no, I don't see anything wrong with that. Now, if they had criticized
|> >Chelsea Clinton for something, I would see your point. 
|> 
|> >|> 
|> >|> Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have a fundamental difference in
|> >|> world-views here. The word "yawning chasm" could be used in this context.
|> 
|> >Does the phrase "sense of humor" strike a bell? No? I thought as much.
|> 
|> Yuck, yuck, yuck. 8^(
|> 
|> I think anyone who thinks Dan Quayle is the best choice to be first in line
|> to suceed the president has a very perverse sense of humor. 

While I do think that Dan Quayle has been unfairly treated, I'll second that.

There are a whole lot of Republicans itself who will fit the bill nicely.

|> 
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> BRI FARENELL 	  is a bleeding heart liberal card-carrying member of the ACLU.
|> CLARKSON '95
|> FARENEBT@CRAFT.CAMP.CLARKSON.EDU
|> 
|> "Yassir Arafat had a terrible accident. He tried to fax a mail bomb...."
|> 	---Johnny Carson
|> 
|> 			
|> 
-srinivas
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:17105 rec.sport.hockey:9114
From: johnston@ug.cs.dal.ca (geoff)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Greedy Athletes
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:08:17 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In article <1992Apr5.181541.13187@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr5.143730.22889@oz.plymouth.edu> m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier) writes:
>> I'm sick of greedy athletes.  Return to the ice and get the playoffs going.
>
>You don't think greedy owners have anything to do with it?  An owner makes
>a million dollars per playoff game, and each player gets under $800 to play
>in a horrific playoff schedule.

True, but after all, they are the owners.  THEY are the ones who
have to weigh risks and pay the consequences in millions of
dollars.  Whereas the players, well, play hockey.  And they
are very well paid for it.

However, I don't think the players are greedy, but mislead by 
Goodenow(sp?) who is basically interested in self-promotion,
and who could care less about the effect of a long strike
on the fans, hockey's future, or the players.

-geoff
From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: ACLU
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:39:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.ART.92Apr7113917
	<1992Apr7.023024.1152@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

In article <1992Apr7.023024.1152@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker) writes:

   In article <rqo3nINN6sl@agate.berkeley.edu> mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl) writes:
   >Sorry to break the news, but communities DON'T have rights.  Read the
   >Bill of Rights and I don't think it talks about groups but instead
   >defines rights for individuals.

   Read the whole Constitution.  Its principle purpose is to grant certain
   rights to the federal government: the right to declare war, the right
   to regulate interstate trade, the right to collect taxes, etc.  If you
   don't want to use the word "rights" for the government's prerogatives,
   that is fine -- but juggling definitions isn't going to make your
   argument any stronger.

I suggest you take your own advice and read the whole constitution.  It
refers to POWERS granted to the gov't, not to rights.  There is a big
difference here. I may have the power to kill you but I don't have the
right.  I may have the right to print a newspaper, but I don't have the
(economic) power.
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Accuracy in Media: Is this a legitimate group?
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:17:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA

Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi) writes:
>IMHO if there's any systematic bias in American media it's centrist. 

And statist.  Media against big government is not something you find
in much supply.
-- 
Microwaves frizz your heir.
Money talks. Usually it says, "Bend over."
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,misc.taxes,alt.society.civil-liberty,pnw.followup
From: mlee@esd.dl.nec.com (Michael Lee)
Subject: Re: FW: news release: abolish IRS
Organization: NEC America, Engineering & Support
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:07:04 GMT

From article <peercy.702630113@dopey.crhc.uiuc.edu>, by peercy@crhc.uiuc.edu (Mike Peercy):
>                                     would you suggest that the DEA, FBI,
> and even your local police department have the powers of the EPA?
> 
> Mike Peercy
> peercy@crhc.uiuc.edu

I thought they did !  :-(


---------------------------------------------------------
I prefer a small government which may permit some evil to
a large government which promotes evil at my expense.
---------------------------------------------------------

Michael Lee
mlee@esd.dl.nec.com
214-518-3807
From: goldman@atlantis.eid.anl.gov (Daniel A. Goldman)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Perot Info: Contact Update
Keywords: Perot petition contacts
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:51:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: mcs.1992Apr9.155140.4675
Reply-To: goldman@atlantis.eid.anl.gov
Distribution: usa
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois

New contacts:

California
in San Diego 619 581 6092 and 619 456 2957

New phone number:

Illinois
Ron Scoma in Park Ridge (near Chicago)
708 692 5097


--
	Daniel A. Goldman
	goldman@atlantis.eid.anl.gov
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From: pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?))
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,ba.politics,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Straight Child molesters?
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:58:27 GMT
Reply-To: pmm7@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <o5DaJB8w164w@Nitro.CtEdge.COM> djk@Nitro.CtEdge.COM writes:
>
>'Bigotry' in itself is not bad. You might call learning that cars
>will squish you and avoiding them 'bigotry' with as much imagination
>as it takes to label dislike of the gay 'lifestyle' bigotry.

just what dictionary are you using that what you say there ^^
is "bigotry". 
and it's *active* bigotry that's a problem.  if you want to 
sit quietly and hate and dislike us, that's your perogative.  
it's when you harrass us, and want to deny us based on your
dislike that bigotry becomes an issue for me.  

>Just don't call me names when I call a spade a spade.

i haven't called you *any* names, dan.  did you want me to?  

;)
peg
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: baker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Baker)
Subject: Re: ACLU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:30:24 GMT

In article <rqo3nINN6sl@agate.berkeley.edu> mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl) writes:
>Sorry to break the news, but communities DON'T have rights.  Read the
>Bill of Rights and I don't think it talks about groups but instead
>defines rights for individuals.

Read the whole Constitution.  Its principle purpose is to grant certain
rights to the federal government: the right to declare war, the right
to regulate interstate trade, the right to collect taxes, etc.  If you
don't want to use the word "rights" for the government's prerogatives,
that is fine -- but juggling definitions isn't going to make your
argument any stronger.

>If someone of Middle Eastern ancestry is found guilty of terrorism, is it
>okay to interrogate all airline passengers of Middle Eastern countries?
>(Some airlines think so).  If gangs wear jumpsuits and gold chains, is
>it okay to question any wearing such items if they're walking through
>a train station?  (Port Authority police thought so).

My view is that the answer to this question depends on the circumstances:
what is the severity of the threat involved, what is the prior probability
that the "suspect" is guilty, how much inconvenience is involved, etc.
For example, I would be more inclined to support school locker searches
than searches of people's homes, because the former is less costly to
the suspect.

>The issue at stake here is not how public money should be spent and
>how you would like libraries to be operated....

Sorry, but for me and for the WSJ, this is *exactly* the issue.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: djh@xipe.osc.edu (David Heisterberg)
Subject: Re: Fully Informed Jury Association (Pamphlet)
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:47:37 GMT

In article <1972@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes
>Are these people [FIJA] an offshoot of, or somehow related to the Libertarian
>Party?  The voices and scripts at the other end of the toll-free numbers
>sound AWFULLY similar.

Many members of the LP are members of FIJA, and vice versa, but there's no
official connection.
--
David J. Heisterberg (djh@osc.edu)       What men value is not rights
The Ohio Supercomputer Center            but privileges.
Columbus, Ohio                             -- H.L. Mecken
From: dild@exmus.fabersham.com (Jonny Handsome)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: B-CPU Mail Path
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:25:24 GMT
Organization: Fabersham Nexus

>So, if you want to bounce Ralphie's articles back at him (not that I recommend>it, no, never! :-)), don't use the "Reply" feature of your news reader - it
>won't work.  Instead, mail the words of wisdom to:

'Twould be naughty to send him unsolicited 'opinions'.

>       agora.rain.com!b-cpu!ralphw        or
>       b-cpu!ralphw@agora.rain.com        or
>       b-cpu!maynard@agora.rain.com

But...but...

        % ping agora.rain.com
        ping: unknown host agora.rain.com

Ralpharella, what is your internet number? You didn't pluck your name
out of the server did you???
*************
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Why do we all believe war is inevitable?
From: kupixel@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:39:25 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

why do we all believe war is inevitable?  go read the federalist papers
(number 6 i think) and see what they have to say.  it has to do with 
nations compete, and competition inevitably leads to the tensions that
cause wars.

kupixel@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Polling Fraud?
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:53:57 GMT

In article <9204141442.AA22830@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> aiesecrs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (AIESEC - Ohio State) writes:
>>> As for people using polls to further their own agenda, it happens all the
>>> time.  The secret is education --
>
>How does education reduce "poll fraud"?  Most people would find it hard to 
>discern a fraudulant (sp?) poll that is slanted a few points, from a real one.

As already mentioned, as long as some polls are accurate, and people have
a sense of statistics, poll fraud will have no impact.  To someone who knows
anything about statistical significance, there's no difference between an
accurate poll, and one that is slanted a few points.  (And if the poll
consistently shows this few-point bias, such a bias would be taken into
account when addressing the poll.  Poli-sci people already know to do this
when dealing with polls regarding hotly contested elections between a white
and a black -- the poll will systematically show a bias towards the black
candidate.  Similarly, most polls regarding David Duke or sexual practices
(or even sexual practices with David Duke) can't be trusted.)
-- 
Ted Frank          + "He wanted to be the car rather than the thimble or the
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  hat."  -- District attorney explaining Marc Cienkowski's
U o' C Law Skool   +  murder with bow and arrow of Michael Klucznik in
Chi, IL 60637      +  Doylestown Borough, PA over a game of Monopoly.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:18586 alt.politics.elections:1045
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Journal Transcripts offering a Perot package
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:32:07 GMT
Reply-To: fierro@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


   The number to dial in the U.S. is (303) 831-9000.  They are offering 
a package of transcripts of shows and media events that H. Ross Perot has
appeared on, both before and after his decision to become involved in the
candidacy for the president of the United States.  Some of the recent ones
include Larry King, 20/20, Donahue, 60 Minutes, Novak, etc.  It totals
over a dozen transcripts total, and costs $85.  It is delivered overnight
by Airborne Express.  I think that works out to $5 or $6 a transcript.

  So if you want to find out more about Perot, look into this deal.   Perot
has appeared on a lot of shows before he ever decided to give the presidency
a shot.  I think the transcripts dated before 1992 should make for some
very interesting reading.  You can see what he was talking about back then
and how it applies to us today. 

  
  Doug
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,sci.econ,misc.legal
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Get Back on Welfare Where You Belong!
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:35:22 GMT

In article <21235@hacgate.UUCP> tucker@shiva.hac.com (George Tucker) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.213840.3539@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>It's hardly a practice unique to the United States: Adam Smith and
>>Max Weber wrote about the medieval craft guilds which essentially
>>did the same thing.  The professions protected by such vary from
>>state to state, but the licensing tends not to be questioned when
>>it applies to such "important" professions as medicine, and, dare
>>I say it, the bar.
>               ^^^
>Do you mean the kind where people get drunk on booze or the kind where
>they get drunk on power and money? 

After six months here, I'm not so sure the two are mutually exclusive.
-- 
Ted Frank          + "He wanted to be the car rather than the thimble or the
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  hat."  -- District attorney explaining Marc Cienkowski's
U o' C Law Skool   +  murder with bow and arrow of Michael Klucznik in
Chi, IL 60637      +  Doylestown Borough, PA over a game of Monopoly.