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From: djg@cray.com (Dennis Guldan)
Subject: Re: IAMS dog food
Summary: Pro Plan is Great
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:25:29 CDT

In article <1992Sep3.162805.15036@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, smm1@troy.uucp (22142-michelson) writes:
> In article <1992Sep2.184445.18385@linus.mitre.org> bds@mbunix.mitre.org (Smith) writes:
> >another dog.  These days, our 8 month old puppy has always been on
> >Purina Puppy Chow, and does very good, except that his stools are a
> >little soft.  We tried IAMS, but he wouldn't touch it.  So we tried
> >Science Diet, and he loves it, his stools are much better, but he
> >seems to have started scratching.  We switched back to Puppy Chow, and
> >he's no longer scratching, but his stools are soft again.  So we'll
> >keep looking.
> 
> I'd like to suggest switching back to Science Diet, and adding Linatone to
> the food. Linatone is an oily substance (sort of like vegetable oil) that
> is supposed to be very good for a dogs skin, and might reduce or eliminate 
> the scratching. You might have the best of all worlds then.
> 
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> Steve Michelson                |   Paying tolls is like throwing money out
> Bell Communications Research   |   the window.
> smm1@troy.cc.bellcore.com      |   

   Instead of buying Science Diet and adding something, why don't
you just buy Purina Pro Plan. Pro Plan has an oily feel right out
of the bag. I have received untold numbers of compliments about
my dogs (a Vizsla) shiny coat. And we have no stool problem.


    Dennis Guldan
    Bird Dog News
From: davis@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Barbara Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: I'M A DAD AGAIN!!
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:06:33 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com (scott@borg.wyle.ingr.com) writes:

>I've been away for a while, but I wanted to tell you all the
>great news!  I'm a dad again!!  I've adopted two wonderful
>little Rottmonsters, brothers, from a solid breeder I believe.
>I have named them Moses and Elijah (Mo & Eli for short).  They
>are only 12 weeks this Thursday and the vet checked them out
>as GREAT!

Warmest congratulation!

>I've been having lots of fun and so have the boys.  I wanted
>to share my good news and ask a question or two.  Here goes:

>1.) I worry about spending more time on Eli than Mo.  Mo is
>    more of a loner.  He'd rather be sniffing grass in the
>    far corner of the yard than in my lap.  Eli would rather
>    be in my lap than breathe.  How do I balance between them?

I have this same problem with my two little ones.  Jasper asks to be picked
up constantly.  He will sit by my side or in my lap for hours.  He follows
me from room to room suggesting he be picked up if I happen to sit for a
minute including during a visit to the bathroom.

Dragon will occasionally lay across my leg or snuggle on the couch and he
is a definite bed cuddler (also know as bed hog!).  And he seldom asks to
be picked up.  When he has been picked up he gives kisses gets some hugs
then is ready to be put down.

What I do is to make sure that whenever Jasper has requested some attention,
Dragon gets some, too.  So Jasper will hippy-hop to be picked up (he has bad
hips).  I will hold him for a while.  As I put him down I am looking for
Dragon who seems to appear on the scene from wherever with his tail awagging
He seems to know it is now his turn for some cuddling.

When Jasper offers his tummy for rubbing, I rub his tummy then find Dragon,
who is usually close by, and make sure he gets some attention.  Dragon is
less demonstative but I notice his tail giving little wags when I come to
give him is share of the attention.

Have fun with your two!  I love having two dogs.  I think it was intended
that we have two dogs, after all we were given two hands weren't we.  Anyway
that is Jasper's and Dragon's world view.

Barb
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Barbara G. Davis                       Internet:  davis@ucsu.colorado.edu
University of Colorado, Boulder 

                   If I don't ask, you can't say, "Yes!".
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From: mgm@royko.Chicago.COM (Marty Masters)
Subject: Re: Shutter Bugs
Followup-To: mgm@royko.chicago.com
Keywords: Say Cheese!
Organization: Chicago Software Works
Distribution: w
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:51:19 GMT

Amen to all the comments of keeping a photojournal of your pet's
life.  Some dogs grow grey gradually (one of my old boys started 
to get grey around the eyes at five years) so keeping a record
always spurs the best memories from the slight nuances.

I have lots of pictures of Mitakola, the Airedale Terrorist in 
various "scenes".  Four of the best are one with MT & her
vet (with her head cocked to the side just right), One with 
her and Harmilda the downtown Harvard IL fullsized plastic cow,
and her airedalope pose with antlers for Xmas.

But my favorite one is of her sitting on the driver's seat of
a Caterpiller D9 bulldozer.  I have two captions for this shot;
	And you think your dog digs up your yard?!
	My dog has a cat!

Marty Masters			          mgm@royko.chicago.com
***************************************************************
   my dog is my girlfriend, but I'm hoping to do better...
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From: jhill@sierra.com (Julie Hill)
Subject: Re: Hunting Abilities: Lab Registration
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:06:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.170031.16461@sierra.com> jhill@sierra.com (Julie Hill) writes:
>>
>The AKC Obedience Rule Book states:
>
>  Any dog whose hair over its eyes interferes with its vision, may have the
>hair over its eyes tied back with either a neutral colored rubber band or a
>small plain barrette.  Maltese, Poodles, Shih Tzu and Yorkshire Terriers, may
>be shown with their hair tied back as they are normally shown in the breed
>ring. (Chapter 1, Section 16)
>
>Julie
>

If the AKC would only change the above "hair" to "hair/wrinkles" (for us Blood-
hound/Basset Hound owners)!  :)

Julie
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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Inappropriate owners
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 10 Sep 92 06:40:35 GMT

Beverly writes about a friend who is dealing with:
> another family in the cub scouts brings their nervous, out of control,
> untrained dobe to scout functions.  She says most of the kids and half
> the adults are afraid of this dog.  She realizes it's not the dog's
> fault but the owners'
> What do you do in a situation like this where the dogs presence is not
> appropriate but not really the dogs fault?  

Ethically: if most of the kids and half the adults are afraid of the
dog, it's wrong to bring him.  Of course it's the owners' fault that
the dog has become intimidating; it's up to them to prevent
intimidation, either by training the dog or keeping him home.

Legally: most municipalities have laws regarding leashing, barking,
feces removal, nuisance situations.  It could be that this qualifies
as a public nuisance.

Behaviorally: the ingredients for disaster are all here.  Kids
frighten dog, dog lunges at kid, kid screams, dog bites kid.  Then
problems all around: who pays emergency bill?  Is dog current on
rabies vaccination?  If not, who quarantines dog for six months?  Plus
laws and litigation now apply -- unless very cool heads prevail, will
probably get nasty, friendships ruined, cub scout program weak for
years, dog may end up in shelter, dog may be put down.

Procedurally: the cub scout pack has a local committee, including
Cubmaster, parents, institutional rep (somebody connected with the
church, school, or wherever the pack meets), others.  The committee is
responsible for dealing with just this sort of question.  It's up to
them to meet, discuss the issue, decide if action needs to be taken to
protect the kids, prevent possible disaster.  The pack also has other
resources at its disposal through the national scout organization: the
local committee may want to call the Council and ask for a Council rep
to attend the meeting and offer advice.  The consequence of all this
are probably that the Cubmaster calls the owners and tells them,
politely but firmly, that their dog won't be permitted at pack
functions any more.

Unfortunately, this procedure isn't available in a lot of similar
situations.

-- Jon

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From: mfenster@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (mark andrew fenster)
Subject: Irish Setter Defense (was Re: Setter questions)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:48:22 GMT

Due to problems with my VAX account, I have been unable to read r.p.d. for several weeks -- so if you want me to see your response, please send me 
a copy via email.   While visiting my boyfriend, though, I read rpd on his computer (where I'm posting this from), and was a little distressed by 
some of the less-than-complimentary comments that have been made 
about Irish setters.  I felt I just had to speak in their defense!

(BTW,  I've met several Gordon setters and Flat-coated retrievers, and I 
think  both breeds are pretty great.)

There seems still to be a common conception out there that Irish setters 
are "hyper," "schizoid," etc.   I believe that this idea is often based on
 real life experiences and is valid in reference  to individual dogs. 
 HOWEVER,  as  most of you know, Irish setters became immensely
 popular in the 1970s, and with the increased demand for puppies came 
a lot of puppy mills and backyard breeders who wanted to cash in.   The 
breed standard calls for Irish setters to be outgoing and active -- poor breeding practice exaggerated these characteristics and produced 
nervous, unsound dogs.  But this can and does happen in any breed 
that experiences extreme popularity, and the responsible breeders 
are the ones who maintain a sound gene pool and strive to produce 
correct dogs who make good pets.

In fact, most of the Irish setters I've met at shows and in breeders' 
homes since I began showing Irish in 1976 have been excellent pets 
who are outgoing but intelligent and obedient.  No, Irish setters with 
good pedigrees who have been properly socialized are NOT stupid and 
hyper!  And in the past decade, the Irish Setter Club of America has instituted health registries as well as a Versatility Certificate 
program.  To earn a VC (which, I believe, hundreds of Irish setters 
have done), a dog must pass a conformation test, an obedience test, 
and a field test.   Plenty of conformation champions have earned V.C.s,  proving that all the birdiness has not been bred out of them!

My own Irish setter, Tristan,  is one of the most mellow and adaptable 
dogs of any breed that I have ever met, and he would have gone on to 
earn his C.D. after he completed his championship, but I entered 
graduate school a few months after he finished his championship.   
Irish setters make excellent pets for the right kind of owner (the 
sort of owner who is willing to give any sort of large sporting dog - retriever, setter, or pointer - the exercise and attention it 
deserves!)

I hope that I've done a little bit to help improve the reputation of 
Irish setters, at least on this newsgroup.   Maybe as goodwill 
ambassadors for the breed like Tristan meet more and more people,  
Irish setters will become less known for being "hyper" and more known 
for being sweet, beautiful companions!

Holly Kruse
University of Louisville
hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu

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From: george@alpha.ee.ufl.edu (George L)
Subject: Fungal infections of the nail
Summary: Need help with Fungal infections of the nail
Keywords: fungal, infection, nail, help
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 92 05:17:06 GMT

I have a 8 year old Labrador Retriever that appears to have an 
infection in some of her nail beds. The vet initially prescribed a 
topical antibiotic. This appeared to help one nail, but not another.
She doesn't appear to be in any pain, but several of her nails are 
starting to look unhealthy.

One problem, is that medication somehow seems to bother her, and she 
tries to lick the solution off her paw (as soon as she thinks no one 
will notice). Not only does this remove the medication, but it also 
keeps her foot moist, which probably doesn't help matters.

I wonder if a topical anti-fungal might be more appropriate. I also 
imagine that one option of treatment would be a systemic anti-fungal 
(such as Griseofulvin). But I have also have heard that the length of 
treatment with this medication is long, and the success rate low.

So, before I return to the veterinarian, can someone who has successfully 
dealt with fungal infections tell me what works and what doesn't? I would 
also be interested in hearing about home remedies that work and why.
I have heard that in the case of human fungal nail infections, some simple
remedies are more effective than the routinely prescribed medications.

Please respond directly via email to george@alpha.ee.ufl.edu as our 
newsfeed often misses important posts.

Thank you
From: cff0347@mcnews.mcdata.com (Chuck Frans)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hip Dysplasia by the breed
Keywords: Hip Dyssplasia
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:00:35 GMT
Organization: McData Corporation

Dennis,

I see you didn't mention Bernese Mtn. Dogs in your list whats up????? The breed also has a large number of H.D. positive dogs !!!!

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From: janicki@gblaut.enet.dec.com (Victoria Janicki)
Subject: Re: Hip Dyplasia
Reply-To: janicki@tuxedo.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Littleton,MA
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:44:30 GMT



|>Wayne: Dennis, do you know the answer to the other question?  When do 
|>       symptoms appear?  Also, after these x-rays, what can be done if
|>       there is H.D.  I mean, if you can't do much, what good are x-rays?
|>
Symptoms of hip dysplasia can appear as early as 6 months or as late as
8-9 or even older. Or never. HD is a progressive degenerative disease. 
Severe cases will show symptoms at an early age. HD is also not absolute.
Some dogs will have borderline or mild HD and others will not even have
any hip sockets. The reason you take xrays is to determine the severity
of the problem (if any) so you can plan a course of treatment.

Dogs which are not showing any symptoms but show minor arthritic changes on
the xray will usually not need any treatment. These dogs should get
regular exercise and as they age may need aspirin now and then. These
borderline/mild cases are not candidates for breeding. These dogs generally
are active companions whose lifestyle is not impaired.

Dogs with more severe HD (moderate to severe) and/or dogs with mild
HD which have lower pain tolerance have several alternatives available.
These include continued regular exercise and a few surgical alternatives
(severing of ligaments, removal of hip socket, hip socket replacement).
These should be discussed with a vet familiar with the procedures.

If your dog is not showing symptoms at this age, he will probably not be
affected in the future even if the xrays show some changes.

Hope this helps.


--
Victoria Janicki
Digital Equipment Corporation
Littleton,MA
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From: posie@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (donald.e.church)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Show (Match) Brags
Keywords: Show Brags
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:51:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

I'm not normally the type to make a post like this but
after this past weekend I cannot resist!

Our little Norfolk Terrier, Nora (Churchwoods Stowe Away),
won the Best Norfolk
puppy in Match at the annual Norwich/Norfolk Terrier Club
match held on Saturday 9/12.  The judge was a
Professional handler and well known terrier person
namely, Mr. Tom Nattalini.

On Sunday, 9/13 Nora was entered in an all breed match
sponsored by the Hunterdon Hills Kennel Club and this
time she won the Best Adult in Match!!.....for you see
Sunday was her first birthday!  The judge this time was
Peggy Helming, a well known breeder of Newfoundlands.

Sure hope this is an indication of things to come in
future Shows as my wife and I are both on Cloud Nine
right now!

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From: mcfadden@bellman.lanl.gov (Russell McFadden)
Subject: Re: Show points and the mass of confusion
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Reply-To: mcfadden@bellman.lanl.gov
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:34:54 GMT
X-Posted-From: nimue.lanl.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article 4666@ugc.uucp, geoff@ugc.uucp (Geoff Coleman) writes:
>>> KB>>
>>> KB>>    - To up the number of entries so as to help increase the number of
>>> KB>>      points available to be won.
>>> KB>>
>
>	^^^^^^^
>		You mean like the guy who showed up with his DEAD Chow
>	    dog so that his friend could get the extra point he needed to
>	    finish at the show.
>		The night befor the show the guy's chow died. So he froze
>	    him in a stacked position walked into the ring with him and set him
>	    down. He then told the judge that his dog wasn't feeling well 
>	    picked him up and left. But because he was in the ring he was 
>	    counted in the points calculation.
>
>
>Geoff Coleman
>


Geoff,

Any time a dog is excused from the ring, illness, lameness, deadness,
whatever; the judge's book is marked accordingly and that entry DOES NOT
count as part of the total entry for points.

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From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Akitas and Sleep
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 11:26:18 GMT


Yes.  Akitas are what is known as "sedentary" dogs.  They sleep an
inordinate amount--and one way to calm down a rambunctious dog (like mine)
is some good exercise.  Like a sleeping pill.  I've been (underemployed)
working at home and some days my dog doesn't peel herself off the living
room floor until 2 or 3 p.m., when it might be time to go out and pee.
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From: davids@gardener.lanl.gov (David Simmons)
Subject: Re: I'M BAAACCCKKKKKK!!
Originator: davids@feynman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:55:03 GMT


Welcome back.  We've missed your thoughtful, helpful and
well-informed input.
-- 

David G. Simmons
	
	"Pollution is not the problem with our environment. 
	It is the impurities in our air and water." 
		--Dan "Vice-President-Rain-Man" Quayl(e)

If I said it, LANL didn't... 

-- 

David G. Simmons
	
	"Pollution is not the problem with our environment.
From: bc1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Barbara Carlson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Protective Akitas
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:19:14 GMT
Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administr., Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.pets.dogs: 4-Sep-92 Re: Protective Akitas by
Kim Krattiger@hpcc01.cor 
> If your girlfriend does not encourage her dog to bark when you come over
> he may get over that.  Some people do not outwardly train their dogs to be
> agressive, but even just saying 'good boy' and patting when he barks at
> someone, is encouraging him to keep doing it.  I don't mean to imply that

I just wanted to add my vote to this ... My GSD/Akita cross has become a
great watchdog, and all I did was praise the behavior I liked and
ignored the things I didn't like (I discouraged any signs of biting
pretty clearly -- only had one incident that looked a little suspicious
in that she might have actually bitten). 

As she is getting older (around 2 now), she has decided that the hedges
*and* the front sidewalk belong to us, that the cats are to be protected
from other cats, that no one is to fight or even play-fight within 20
feet of our yard, and that all attention rightfully belongs to *her* and
any other pets getting in the way will be skillfully cut off (she'll
slip between us) or gleefully and "accidentally" stepped upon. :) She's
getting more and more stubborn, and I'm finding I have to keep "backing
up" in her training. I have to put her on leash and do lots and lots of
heeling, circles, downs, etc. Then she'll come more quickly when called
off-leash. But *sheesh* ... it's like she considers all commands
"discretionary". If she doesn't think it's a good idea to leave her
"post" guarding the front hedges, she will look at me (I heard you, mom)
and just stay right where she is!

She may look like a GSD on the outside, but she's definitely an Akita in
her brain! 

--Barb--
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From: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Subject: Re: Hip Dysplasia for Bichons
Reply-To: rob@xyzoom.info.com (Rob Lingelbach)
Organization: Altruistic Intentions, Hollywood CA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:58:47 GMT

In article <las44kINN4ag@news.bbn.com> ryuen@BBN.COM (Ray Yuen) writes:
>
>
>How common is Hip Dysplasia for Bichon Frise dogs?
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Ray Yuen  (ryuen@bbn.com)

I have 3 bichons, none of whom have had it, but I will quote from the
book "this is the Bichon Frise" by Brearly & Nicholas:

----------
Hip Dysplasia, or HD, is one of the most widely discussed of all
animal afflictions, since it has appeared in varying degrees, in just
about every breed of dog.  True, the larger breeds seem most
susceptible, but it has hit the small breeds and is beginning to be
recognized in cats as well.

While HD in man has been recorded as far back as 370 BC, HD in dogs
was more than likely referred to as rheumatism until veterinary
research came into the picture.  In 1935, Dr. Otto Schales, at Angell
Memorial Hospiral in Boston, wrote a paper on HD and classified the 4
degrees of dysplasia of the hip joint as follows:

Grade 1--slight (poor fit between ball and socket)
Grade 2--moderate (moderate but obvious shallowness of the socket)
Grade 3--severe (socket quite flat)
Grade 4--very severe-- (complete displacement of head of femur at
early age)

HD is an incurable, hereditary, though not congenital disease of the
hip sockets.  It is transmitted as a dominant trait with irregular
manifestations.  Puppies appear notmal at birth but the constant
wearing away of the socket means the animal moves more and more on
muscle, thereby presenting a lameness, a difficulty in getting up and
severe pain in advanced cases.

The degree of severity can be determined around 6 months of age, but
its presence can be noticed from 2 months of age.  The problem is
determined by Xray,  and if pain is present it can be relieved
temporarily by medication.  Exercise should be avoided since motion
encourages the wearing away of the bone surfaces.

Dogs with HD should not be shown or bred, if quality in the breed is
to maintained.  It is essential to check a pedigree for dogs known to
be dysplastic before breeding, since the disease can be dormant for
many generations.

-- 
Rob Lingelbach KB6CUN | 2660 Hollyridge Dr LA CA 90068 213 464 6266 (voice) 
rob@xyzoom.info.com   | "I care not much for a man's religion whose dog or 
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