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From: heiner@heinihh.hanse.de (Heiner Strauss)
Subject: Help, need info for Bell ICC Multiport
Organization: jonas
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:05:36 GMT

Hello !
I bought a Bell ICC Multiport card very cheap, but after installing
I found that the driver for SCO Xenix was a beta-version and doesn't
work on my system (SCO Xenix 2.3.4). I've heard that Bell doesn't
exist anymore ? Who can help me ? Please e-mail !
Thanks !
--
Heiner Strauss		heiner@heinihh.hanse.de		Tel:. 040/352341
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: UUXQT during transfers
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 21:28:56 GMT

In article <1429@wshb.csms.com> michaelb@wshb.csms.com
	( WSHB Operations Eng) writes:
>Has anyone ever look at what is necessary to get uuxqt to spawn and start
>processing jobs before uucico exits.

The following polling script will run uuxqt once every five minutes
as long as uusched is active.

	:
	/usr/lib/uucp/uusched &
	uupid=$!
	while kill -0 $uupid >/dev/null 2>&1 ; do
		/usr/lib/uucp/uuxqt &
		sleep 300
	done

Either this can be run from cron, or incorporated into whatever you
already run from cron to do your polling.  I don't know if this is
what you are asking for...but I'm not quite exactly what you are asking
for.

-- 
Chip Rosenthal  512-482-8260 | The secret to a long life is
Unicom Systems Development   | knowing when it's time to go.
<chip@chinacat.Unicom.COM>   |  - Michelle Shocked
From: david@dynamix.com (David L Jarvis)
Subject: ad/eiad config
Organization:  SOFTWARE / DYNAMIX
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 7:45:29 EDT
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To clear this up once and for all ... it appears I have indeed made
an error in typing in the instructions from SCO Magazine (even tho it was
right in front of me at the time), and a second error by not checking it
over thoroughly and catching it before posting the error.  My humble
apologies to the original poster of the question.  

The instructions (from the July/Aug 92 issue, pg 18):
1: login as root and cd to /etc/conf/cf.d
2: edit the file mscsi
3: change all references of ad to eiad in the far left column (and save)
4: cd to /etc/conf/sdevice.d
5: edit the file ad
6: change the Y in the second column to a N (and save)
7: edit the file eiad
8: change the N in the second column to a Y (and save)
9: cd to /etc/conf/cf.d
10: relink the kernel with ./link_unix
11: run eisa config utils and change the mode of the board
12: reboot

A brief note to Chip Rosenthal about his comments on SCO Magazine ...
altho I do agree completely about not taking this or any magazine as gospel
(especially considering some of their wrong or misleading technical info)
I would like to point out to you and perhaps others that some of the info
in SCO Mag is attributed to come *directly* from SCO Support Services,
not from SCO Mag's staff writers.   Just FYI ... 


#----------------------------------------------------------------------#
#          David L. Jarvis                 SOFTWARE  /                 #
#          david@dynamix.com                       /  DYNAMIX          #
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: jpr@jpradley.jpr.com (Jean-Pierre Radley)
Subject: Re: Ctar
Organization: Unix in NYC
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 16:26:00 GMT

In article <42@fleet.UUCP> mel@fleet.UUCP (mel) writes:
>What experiences have you had with the commercial backup utility
>called "Ctar"? I'd like to use it with a SCSI HP Dat drive on either SCO Unix or
>SCO Xenix.  Is it really as easy as they advertise to recover from a crash?
>Is the SCO Xenix binary of "Ctar" interchangeable with the Unix binary?
>i.e. If/when I upgrade(?) to SCO Unix will I need to buy a different unix
>version of Ctar or will I be able to use the Xenix version.
>
>Mel Shear
>!rex!fleet!mel
>

My experiences have been excellent.

The crash-recovery works if and only if you have a tape drive which does
NOT run off the floppy-disk controller, since you need to be booted off a
floppy and be able to read in from the tape too.

But it works very well indeed in the case of a crash, in the case that you
want to add a hard drive or otherwise change your partition set-up, or if
you just want to unfragment your existing partitions.

The current release of CTAR installs on all but the very earliest releases
of Xenix/286, Xenix/386, Unix, ODT, and MPX.

-- 
Jean-Pierre Radley   Unix in NYC   jpr@jpr.com   jpradley!jpr   CIS: 72160,1341
From: marks@mgse.UUCP (Mark Seiffert)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Re: Xenix considered harmful (was Re: SCO support - a success story)
Date: 3 Sep 92 05:33:06 GMT
Organization: mgse

In article <BtsG0n.50u@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us> mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst) writes:
>In article <9208290845.AA18903@dynamix.com> david@dynamix.com (David L Jarvis) writes:
>Face it, folks.  The world is moving towards POSIX and other standards
>more every day.  With this in mind, it just doesn't make sense to
>choose a bastardized SVR3-wannabe for new installations.  The falling
>price of hardware has made all but irrelevant the consideration that
>Xenix runs in less RAM and takes less CPU horsepower than Unix.  Xenix
>no longer has any real reason to exist, except for the people that
>have an existing Xenix installation.

Not my world. Xenix is fine, especially when I am installing a
system were there will only be eight or less terminals, typically
one or two. Why do I need Unix and all of its baggage? Most of
the small systems are SINGLE user, just the console.
For some systems, one or two terminal will suffice, we need Xenix
for communications and sometimes for a second or third terminal. 
The photography place down the street uses it for Real World 
accounting, and maybe four terminals. A former business partner
had three SCO Xenix systems, two with only one user, the console,
the third had three users. The alternative in his instance may have
been a Novell system, but he would have to had re-write his application
for insurance adjusters from scratch in another language. We have another
customer that is thinking about putting systems in two other stores,
each with one or two terminals.

Why should customers be forced to switch to a more complex and more 
expensive system, both in hardware and software, when they don't need
to? I feel that SCO Xenix is still a viable product and has a unique
spot in the market place, small systems for small companies. I feel that
in many instances selling a customer SCO Unix for one or two terminals
is like selling a user a 486-50 with a SVGA just so they can do their
accounting, it's overkill.

Mark Seiffert

>
>(Naturally, my views do not represent those of my employer, his
>sister, or his sister's dog.  Copywrong 1992.  All rights reversed.
>My lawyers can beat up your lawyers.)
>
>-- 
>Marc Unangst                | Real men don't make backups.  Real men never
>mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us   | accidentally delete files that they're going
>                            | to need later.


-- 
Mark Seiffert,  Metairie, LA.
uucp:           rex.cs.tulane.edu!mgse!marks or rex!mgse!marks
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
Subject: Re: Xenix considered harmful (was Re: SCO support - a success story)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:57:31 GMT
Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI

In article <1188@consult.UUCP> bob@consult.UUCP (Bob Willey CDP ) writes:
>Many new installations (no Unix/Xenix in place) are non-technical users
>and DO NOT require POSIX and the other "lack of standards".  And

They may not need them now, but what do you tell your client when they
want to run an iBCS2 app on their Xenix system?  Standards are good
for you.  Xenix has a place; its place is the same niche that other
vertical-market OSes like QNX have.

>they definitely do not need any additional overhead, requirements,
>of sysadmin woos.  SCO Xenix for many installations has been and
>continues to be a very good answer.  It is very stable, requires very
>little onsite technical experience, and just flat runs, and runs....

It's been my experience that SCO Unix just runs and runs and runs,
too.  And SCO Unix has better support from third-party vendors, is
cleaner, and is easier to administer than Xenix is.

-- 
Marc Unangst                | Real men don't use Windows.  Real men use X. 
mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us   | Only a real man would use a GUI where the
                            | shift keys after "Alt" are "Super" and "Hyper."
From: flanagan@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Dick Flanagan)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: NFS for Xenix?
Date: 26 Aug 92 04:50:33 GMT
Reply-To: flanagan@niagara.Tymnet.COM (Dick Flanagan)
Organization: BT North America (Tymnet)
Originator: flanagan@niagara

Is NFS available under Xenix?

Dick
From: rg9538@ehsn14.cen.uiuc.edu (Ronald E Garnett)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: E-Mail address
Summary: Looking for the E-Mail address for somebody at SCO
Keywords: E-mail
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:37:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: ehsn14.rg9538.715628255
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Please respond to rg9538@ewshp.cen.uiuc.edu

I'm looking for the E-Mail address of Shawn McMurdo at
SCO.  I figured this to be the best place to ask.
The address is probably something like:

ShawnM@sco.com..........  but I can't find the rest of
the path.  Any ideas?

Thanks,

Ron Garnett
University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: Adaptec 1740 modes.
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 20:49:49 GMT

>> Aiiiee!  No!
>
>well for someone who spent a couple of hundred lines telling me how
>atrocious my correspondence skill are, I'd have to say that "Aiiieee!"
>ranks right up there with AIN'T ... 

Children, let's knock it off, huh?

>but I am interested in learning the views of some of the more experienced
>folks out there, (Chip Rosenthal, Bill Davidsen, JP Radley, Bill Campbell,
>and all the others out there [...])

OK.  My view is that I do not consider SCO Magazine an authority.
It's information is trite, and I've found instances where it is wrong.
Dangerously wrong.  The worst instance I've seen was the suggestion
in issue #1 that you edit /etc/gettydefs.  First, the logic behind
that suggestion was wrong.  This was a change to fix a nonexistent
problem.  Second, if you took their advice you would never be able to
log into your system again.

Part of the problem is that their technical expert really isn't, he's
a guy with no technical background beyond about two years supporting
UNIX and XENIX systems.  I'm not saying that he doesn't have anything
to contribute.  I am saying, however, if that's the technical depth
of their editorial review board, then there is no way this magazine
could ever become anything remotely considered authoritative.

It is further my view that SCO XENIX does not have an sdevice.d
directory, so this discussion can't in any way be pertinent to the
charter of this newsgroup.

(However, if this were an appropriate place to discuss SCO UNIX, such
as comp.unix.sysv386, then I'd say that if there are seperate `ad'
and `eiad' entries, then the proper way to change the configuration
is to edit the Y/N in field two, and not to change the field one name
as SCO Magazine suggests.  If there aren't two entries, then SCO
botched the /etc/conf distribution.  Sorry I can't say for sure.  I
haven't bought 2.3v4.0 for the lab yet and SCO doesn't use us as a
beta site anymore.  Guess we don't sell enough of their software.)
-- 
Chip Rosenthal  512-482-8260 | The secret to a long life is
Unicom Systems Development   | knowing when it's time to go.
<chip@chinacat.Unicom.COM>   |  - Michelle Shocked
From: brettw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Brett D. Watson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Xenix on PC's, NOT networked?
Date: 31 Aug 1992 23:59:27 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

  At my new place of work, Xenix is running on many STAND-ALONE PC's.
Can anyone give me ANY good reason why they shouldn't be networked?  I
seem to have a problem with a multi-user operating system running on
standalone machines.  Seems to me you defeat the purpose of
"multi-user".  

  The administration says they will never go with DOS or Novell.  They
want to keep the multi-user OS.  I don't understand WHY when only one
person can access the machine at one time.  Any ideas?  (yes, I'm
going to ask the administration, but I don't start until Sept. 18.  I
want to gather as much info about Xenix before then)

-=- Brett
-- 
  Brett Watson, 915 Calflin Rd. Manhattan, KS  66502, (913) 776-5951
  ==================================================================
	brettw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu | brettw@holonet.net
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco,biz.sco.general
From: jpr@jpradley.jpr.com (Jean-Pierre Radley)
Subject: Re: divvy intrinsics
Organization: Unix in NYC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 02:03:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.054321.29022@ennews.eas.asu.edu> gomez@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (JL Gomez) writes:
>
>From reading the man pages on divvy, does divvy call mkfs?
>
>Also, after using divvy, does one use 'mkdev fs'?
>

I did this:
 
root 728> strings /etc/divvy | grep mk
mkfs
/etc/mkfs
divvy: /etc/mkfs missing, could not make filesystem.

-- 
Jean-Pierre Radley   Unix in NYC   jpr@jpr.com   jpradley!jpr   CIS: 72160,1341
From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
Subject: Re: Xenix considered harmful (was Re: SCO support - a success story)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:03:05 GMT
Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI

In article <1189@consult.UUCP> bob@consult.UUCP (Bob Willey CDP ) writes:
>Actually he does!!  He is putting in what the customer NEEDS and not
>a lot of extras that they will probably never use or need.

My point was that he said he "never even considered Unix."  Now, how
could he possibly know if Unix was or was not appropriate if he never
even considered it?

>Whoaa.....  I have modems on EVERY SCO Xenix site out there, with NO 
>problems.

Well, he said that Xenix was appropriate for customers who had no
networking or security needs.  Modems are a form of networking, and as
you mention, they work fine.  But putting a modem on a computer and
leaving security turned off is just about as much of a security risk
as putting the root password in /etc/issue.

>  And as far as shrinkwrapped software, there is probably more
>out there for SCO Xenix than SCO UNIX (this may change).  We use
>Lotus 123, WordPerfect 5x, WordPerfect Office, Realworld, Cougar,
>TruFax, Call Tracker, The Medical Manager and many others....

Yes, those are all available in Xenix versions.  But pretty soon (it's
starting to happen already), software companies are going to want to
use Unix-specific features.  And when that happens, a lot of the
smaller companies are going to ditch Xenix entirely and just put out a
Unix version.  Can you get FrameMaker for Xenix?  Or Corel Draw?

>>senior this year.
> ^^^^^^

Your point being?  Or do you feel that I'm unqualified to participate
in this discussion, because I'm still in high school?

-- 
Marc Unangst                | Real men don't use Windows.  Real men use X. 
mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us   | Only a real man would use a GUI where the
                            | shift keys after "Alt" are "Super" and "Hyper."
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: acjbooks@citr.uq.oz.au (ACJ Books (Chris))
Subject: driver for troff hp laser+ wanted
Summary: does anyone have a driver for an hp laser jet + for troff
Keywords: troff wnated driver hplaser+
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:52:14 GMT


Does anyone have a driver for either and HP Laser + or an Epson GQ3500
for troff operating under latest SCO XENIX?

If so would be delighted to know of same

acjbooks@durian.citr.uq.oz.au   on AARnet

Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst)
Subject: Re: Xenix considered harmful (was Re: SCO support - a success story)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:12:27 GMT
Organization: The Programmer's Pit Stop, Ann Arbor MI

In article <9209010926.AA25624@dynamix.com> david@dynamix.com (David L Jarvis) writes:
>anyone who's done BOTH Xenix and Unix already knows that, but what about
>you?  have you ever even done a Xenix system?  ever used one?  installed
>one?  what is your basis for the above statement?   what is your experience
>with SCO products?  just how many Unix/Xenix systems have you put out?
>are you even an authorized SCO reseller???    (perhaps you came to

Boy, all those questions.  Yes; yes; yes; personal experience
and experience with customers; Xenix/286 2.2.1 and 2.2.3, Xenix/386
2.3.2 and 2.3.4, SCO ODT 1.0, 1.1, and 2.0, SCO Unix 3.2v2.0 and
3.2v4.0; too many to count; not personally, but I work in tech support
for an APC.

>for the benefit of ppl out there without a lot of SCO Unix/Xenix
>experience, I'll rebut some of your statements ...

How magnanimous of you.

>I've upgraded plenty of 2.3.2 sites to 2.3.4 and never even considered
>Unix,

Glad to hear you have the best interests of your customer in mind.

>solution that just flat out works, and THATS Xenix, the most mature and
>stable product available today ... I won't even mention here that anyone

What a sweeping statement.  And you say *I* don't back my opinions
up...

>right, and the fact that Xenix CONSISTENTLY OUTPERFORMS the bulky, slow,
>overgrown SVR4 kernel is meaningless

I didn't know we were talking about SVR4.  I though we were talking
about SCO Unix, which is not SVR4 (and may never be, depending on who
you listen to at SCO).

> ... and if the client is NEVER
>going to even consider networking or communications, and has NO security
>needs whatsoever, and NO needs for compatibility with the rest of the Unix
>world,

You're right.  I've never seen a client who was willing to lock
themselves out of modems and shrinkwrapped software.  But hey, if
that's what you want, I guess you should buy Xenix.

>speaking of your employer Marc ... tell us, what is it you do for a living?
>are you out there every day installing and supporting Unix & Xenix systems?

Well, since you asked...

For the past two years, I've worked part-time and full-time at an SCO
APC, doing hardware configuration, technical support (both telephone
and on-site), system setups, system specifications, and so forth.
During the times I was working there part-time, I was going to high
school -- started at the beginning of my sophomore year, and I'll be a
senior this year.

So, what do you do for a living?

-- 
Marc Unangst                | Real men don't use Windows.  Real men use X. 
mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us   | Only a real man would use a GUI where the
                            | shift keys after "Alt" are "Super" and "Hyper."
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco,biz.sco.general,comp.sources.wanted
From: gomez@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (JL Gomez)
Subject: oldie system monitor program wanted for Xenix
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Arizona State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:03:22 GMT


Several years ago, someone posted patches to a 386 UNIX system
monitor program to work under Xenix which uses bar graphs to
determine loads, serial loads, hard disk access, etc, etc.
It used a main menu and from there you can check out system activity.

This program was posted before u386mon came out.

Anyone have this program with the Xenix patches available?

I use to have it archived on a floppy years ago but the that floppy
is gone.

Thanks!
--
gomez@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
From: david@dynamix.com (David L Jarvis)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
Subject: Re: Xenix considered harmful
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:01:21 GMT
Organization: SOFTWARE / DYNAMIX
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I would like to make a public retraction and apology for my recent
overly harsh postings.  These should have been sent directly to the
recipient and not to the entire net, or better yet toned down a bit
in the network version.  My attitude towards Marc was 
severly hardened by personal correspondence from him sent directly 
to me.  It appeared (and still appears) to me that he's decided to 
make a hobby of offering antagonistic critiques of each word I utter 
on the net.  Thus finally, I responded with my own analysis of his 
words, done in the same manner of personal attack.  Those of you who 
responded to me directly (and negatively) formed your judgement of 
me without all the facts.  While I admit that I was wrong in making 
my views about Marc public, and doing so in an overly harsh manner, 
I maintain that the points I made were valid and would welcome any 
discussion or debate on the idea that Xenix is still a very viable
operating environment.


Respectfully,

#----------------------------------------------------------------------#
#          David L. Jarvis                 SOFTWARE  /                 #
#          david@dynamix.com                       /  DYNAMIX          #
#----------------------------------------------------------------------#
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix.sco
From: Ross Ridge <ross@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Xenix considered harmful (was Re: SCO support - a success story)
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 11:00:46 GMT

mju@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (Marc Unangst) writes:
>Face it, folks.  The world is moving towards POSIX and other standards
>more every day.  With this in mind, it just doesn't make sense to
>choose a bastardized SVR3-wannabe for new installations. 

And to use a bastardized SVR3 POSIX-wannabe instead?  Even if I thought
SCO Xenix was dead, SCO Unix would be very low on my list of alternatives.

>The falling price of hardware has made all but irrelevant the
>consideration that Xenix runs in less RAM and takes less CPU horsepower
>than Unix.

Some people still have have limited budgets. 

>Xenix no longer has any real reason to exist, except for the people that
>have an existing Xenix installation.

For running a Public Access Unix site I can't really think of a
better alternative.  Reliability and more efficient use of CPU,
RAM and disk space are more important issues than the latest
features when all you're doing is news, 24 hours a day, 7 days
a week.  

							Ross Ridge

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