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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is there any Atari support..!!!
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 07:26:24 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.

sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

> Just look at the lies about FSMGDOS, about 3 years worth, and the CD Rom and 
> Hard Drives, no one here can even get there Atari fixed, no Agent, NO PARTS.?
 
 Roger,
 
 The cdar504 was released for retail in New Zealand.  I still have one 
here we use from time to time. 
 
 Do you remember Jim Towler ? He was running one on "Tinkerbell" his BBS 
there in Wellington some 5 years ago. We have been running one for asbout 
(opps about) the same length of time as well.
 
 I also have 4 Atari hard drives here are well Sh205,one ICD home brew, 
and two mega files. My point the equipment WAS available here and still 
is if you know where to look. 
 
 I was in Taupo the other day and at Whites Music Shop they have a STE 
complete with Megafile 60 and all the software you could desire..
 
 I agree there is now no support but hey Roger what has changed over the
last ten years ? I put it to you .. nothing!...

                                                  _
 Jon Clarke                                     o( )       
 jonc@status.gen.nz                            /  /\        GE: J.CLARKE6
 The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Auckland New Zealand      HSBC NZM  EBD
From: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is there any Atari support..!!!
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:58:50 GMT
Reply-To: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1992Nov6.221552.2503@newshost.lanl.gov>, hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) writes:
>In article 1cscg0INNl2q@golem.wcc.govt.nz, sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz () writes:
>
>>This refers to some phone contacts with PARAGON Computer's
>>in Perth Western Australia...
>
>... assorted whinging and moaning deleted ...
>>___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
>_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
>________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
>____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________

No John..

I payed good money for one of my Atari computers, the other came cheap at
a Dick Smiths fire sale...

***** BUT I STILL EXPECT TO GET SUPPORT....*****

Atari should not sell computers here if they don't intend to support them..

Just look at the lies about FSMGDOS, about 3 years worth, and the CD Rom and no
Hard Drives, no one here can even get there Atari fixed, no Agent, NO PARTS.?

They did send some Atari chapes over here last week from what I here, but only
to premote the Lynx but we still don't see adverts on TV, but we do for the
GameBoy..


Never mind Hutch, go play with your 386/486, but Please see thing from this
side of the world, we are just pissed off...


Roger.................            sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: csg022@cck.coventry.ac.uk (PROC)
Subject: Re: Umich Archive
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:56:59 GMT

In article <92309.171515JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu> J.J. Lehett <JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>>What's the easy way to get a full up to date list of all the stuff on
>>a.a with descriptions. ie all the indexs

I've been trying to get stuff down since last week but
haven't received a thing.
I'm using atari.archive.umich.edu through earn-relay as usual
but everything's stopped coming down.

-- 
 CSG022 is MARK B PROCTER | "*You* want to complain, look at these shoes, I've
  only had them three weeks and the heels have worn right through, and if you
complain nothing happens so you might as well not bother, and my back hurts and
      we never get a fine day and I'm sick and tired of this office."
From: automan@stein.u.washington.edu (Roger McGhee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Looking for software
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:28:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov13.162828.24824
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle



I am looking for a copy of Interstel's Empire, preferably version 2.05.
If anyone out there has an original they are no longer using and
can bear to part with it, please E-mail me. Willing to pay a fair price
and shipping, etc.

Cheers,



Roger Mcghee (automan@milton.u.washington.edu)

"All I ask is a chance to PROVE that money does not buy happiness"
From: cossett@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Gif Viewers
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:53:23 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

   What is the best GIF viewer available for the Atari? I
have an Atari 520stfm which has had a 1meg memory upgrade.
The only gifviewer I have is gifshow, and it does not seem
to be able to handle gif's over 100000bytes in size. 
Please respond by mail or post.

                             Tim Cossett
                             COSSETT@AC.DAL.CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: itschere@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Torsten Scherer)
Subject: Re: The FALCON - too slow ??
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:51:25 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

In article <...>, annius@nanna.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink) writes:
|> leo@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Leo Hendry) writes:
|> 
|> >It is slow because Atari STILL haven't made use of STe's hardware scrolling
|> >(which I assume is available on the Falcon) in TOS.  Apart from the slowdown
|> 
|> I suspect you don't even know what the 'hardware scrolling' facilities of the
|> STE actually are (and the same for the other post in this thread mentioning the
|> fact that `nobody uses the STE hardware scrolling'.).
|> 
|> -- 
|> Annius Groenink  --  Universiteit Utrecht  --  PTT Research Leidschendam
|> annius@research.ptt.nl/avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl       Maths/Comp.Sc./TOS/Music       

That's true, but you should also mention what the hardware scrolling is, to stop other
people from spreading such $%^$!@#$%$ shit. IMHO the so called hardware scrolling is
just the ability to scroll the screen LEFT or RIGHT in steps of one pixel, which was
completely impossible on the "normal" ST (unless you'd like to write a program and
bit-shift it on your own). The UP / DOWN scrolling (ok, ok there's only upscrolling
in GEMDOS output) can only be done by some kinda program (or the blitter perhaps), but
in every case a tremendous amount of memory has got to be shiftet. Just a little math:
(taken from a PC clone) When you're running 1024 * 768 pixels in 256 colours you've
got to shift 768K of memory to scroll up one single line (text or graphic). I once
saw this on an 33MHz 386 and it was pretty slow. As far as I'm informed the Falcon
will not be able to display this resolution, so the memory which needs to be shifted
will be smaller, but in every case its the multiple amount of the 32k on a "normal" ST,
so I may very well believe that it may appear "slow". But I think that mocking around
this or other speed stuff is useless until ever somebody has actually seen a Falcon
(except developers). And I also think that people should better sit down and think
twice before spreading such rumours. People always say their computer's too slow and
they want to buy a new, a faster one, but who really NEEDS this speed? (in general,
not only ST, but PC clones also).

TeSche

P.S.:Please don't write a followup if your computer can display 769 lines, which
would be one more, so 100/768 percent more and thus better and calling up hundreds
of other flames...
-- 
TeSche (Torsten Scherer), Estudiante de la computacion en la
Universidad de Bielefeld, Calle de la Universidad 25, D-W4800 Ciudad de Bielefeld
*******************************************************************************
paper mail: Wiesenstrasse 28, D-W4970 Bad Oeynhausen 1, Germany
internet e-mail : itschere@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de
*************************************************************************(EOT)*
From: undermind!Steve_Johnson@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: art packages for a ST?
Date: 03 Nov 92 15:36:00 EDT
Organization: Fortress R&D 404/521-0445 v.32bis TurboPEP
X-Spam-content: irrelevant

HiSoft (I believe) and a few other companies have developed or are developing
 65,536-color paint programs for the Falcon.  Lexicor also has a new program 
called Phoenix512 (or something like that) which will, I believe, do Spectrum
 pics on normal ST's and up to 16-bit color painting on a Falcon030. 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: grier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier)
Subject: Re: SM124 Problems
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 00:40:52 GMT

While I haven't had this problem with mine, my SM124 is 5 years old. I have
had it with an SC-1224. I had several cold solder joints in the high-voltage
section. It might be worth a look.

Brian, WS1S
Bell Northern Research
Research Triangle Park, NC
bjgrier@bnr.ca
From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Reason for Falcon delay
Date: 12 Nov 1992 19:33:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, anderss@colargol (anderss) says:

> 
>
>  The reason for the delay of the Falcon is that Atari has
>pulled it back and redesigned the graphics system. This was done
>when they got the specifications for the A1200. The Falcon has now
>been improved with higher graphic resolutions, the max. resolution
>is now 1280*960. (I don't know how many colors there will be in this
>resolution). This is done to ensure that the Falcon is better than
>the A1200 in all ways!!!


If this was TRUE, it would be fantastic, but call me an unbeliever.  I don't
think that Atari could redesign the graphics chip that quick.

The only thing that I can think of is that the same graphics chip designed
for the Falcon040 will be used in the Falcon030.

But, I'd like a few more people to confirm this story.

It would EXPLAIN the delay though.

>  The minimum RAM config. will now be 4MB, and the new Falcon will
>cost the same as the 1MB Falcon was supposed to ship for.
>  Machines should be shipping by the end of next week. (Unless Atari
>decide something else...)

Again, call me an unbeliever.  I remember developers crying about the lack
of a 1280*960 resolution and the 1 Meg of memory in which they claimed the
Falcon030 needed AT LEAST 2 megs, but really 4 Megs to make great software
for it.

It would be completely unlike Atari's management to listen to developers.

Also, how can Atari ADD 3 Megs to the system without passing along the
cost to you and I?  I would think Atari would at least add another $100
to the price.

>  
>
>   _
>  | |       |                         Anders Skar
>  |_|  _   _|  _   _  _      Trondheim College of Engineering
>  | | | | | | |_| |  |_            anderss@edb.tih.no
>  | | | | |_| |_  |   _|  68040 - You can't outrun the lightning
>

--
From: Volker_Soehnitz@ac.maus.de (Volker Soehnitz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: English Sagrotan????
Date: 7 Nov 92 10:33:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: AC.A12517
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.14

Hi Frank!

>As I know the newest version is the 4.17 and there will be no newer
>version because it got a commercial product.

This is right! The name of the "new" Version is "toXis", it costs 69,- DM.
Sagrotan 4.17 is more than 2 years old, buggy and will _not_ recognize the
most known viruses. It has also an absolute useless analysing routine for
suspicious/unknown boot disks. - And it works very sloooooowwwwwwwly.......

>I've heard something about sakrotan (instead of sagrotan).
                            ^^^^^^^^
This name had been used for a while, because it exists a chemical detergent in
Germany, with the name "Sagrotan". For that reason, a german public-domain
dealer has changed the name into "Sakrotan", to prevent any litigation with the
trader of this detergent.

>What is your favourite Viruskiller?

;-)))

Try one of these:  UVK 5.6 , Poison! 1.73 (Version 2.0 is comming soon) or
                   VIRENDETEKTOR 3.1g

        ciao  | /
              |/olker

PS.:
For more information about Poison!,       contact:  bernhard_artz@rs.maus.de
For more information about VIRENDETEKTOR, contact:  volker_soehnitz@ac.maus.de
Richard Karsmakers has - as far as I know - no e-mail adress
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: wwc@vsnhda.cern.ch (Wolfgang Wander)
Subject: Re: CoNnect
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, Geneva
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:07:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.110519.21038@ugle.unit.no> stigvi@solan.unit.no (Stig Vidar Hovland) writes:
>I have some problems finding a rz/sz program for using with
>CoNnect. Can someone tell me where I can find such a program.
>Why isn't a program like this included with CoNnect anyway?

You could use gszrz19b.lzh available on several german ftp-servers.
An alternative programm is XYZ201.LZH though I prefer the version
3.3 of GSZRZ available from  Michael Ziegler / Jadgfeldring 16 /
8013 Haar / Germany ( DM 30,- ). It supports background transfers even without
MultiTOS.
    Wolfgang
From: 01mbmccabe@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: VT 220
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:11:50 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

> You can also use Uniterm (also available on atari.archive). Uniterm does
> a full VT2xx emulation, some VT3xx and even Tek4014 (for graphics). I use it
> all the time and (of course...!) am very happy with it.  Moreover, it does
> not use GEM windows.  The big drawback is that you can't resize it in a window,
> or use it in a "multi-task" environment, like Connect. BUT the screen updates
> are MUCH faster than Connect. I don't like slow screen display, thence I
> use Uniterm...

I also use Unitem on a Mega St4....but the version I have does no emulatin
higher than vt200!  (also has vt102,vt100,vt52,4010,and DCM)  Which version of
Uniterm do you have?  Mine is V2.0d 010.   Any idea how I can pick up the
version you have?  I've had no luck d/l'ing any files from this InterNet
either, so I'm not sure where to go....(can't find any local Atari BBS's in
this college town <Munci,IN>)   :(

				-Matt 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Graham Thomas)
Subject: Re: 1st Word to other formats
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:34:42 GMT

From article <annius.721326674@freyr>, by annius@eri.research.ptt.nl (Annius Groenink):
> ZZDLG@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes:
> 
>>Hi Folks,
>> A friend is moving his WP from 1st Word Plus on the ST to
>>Word Perfect a PC. Are there any utilities available to
>>convert 1st word files to a format suitable for reading
>>by WP without loosing all the formatting info. Dave.
> 
> 
> I think this question should not be tolerated and to say the least not be
> answered in an ST group.  Anyway, what's the point of moving from one
> rediculous package to the other?

Let me try to be a bit more helpful - but alas only a bit.  If you have
a recent update of WordPerfect for the ST (this leaves out 99% of ST
users, I know) you can, if I remember correctly, convert a Wordplus file
to Wperf format.  It wasn't brilliant when I last tried it (2 years
ago), but it was marginally better than ASCII transfer.

Once you have the Wperf/ST file, you need to save it in Wperf 4.2 format
on a PC-readable floppy, then your PC version of Wperf should be able to
read the file.

Overall, the ASCII route might be easiest.

Graham
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Auto-Switch Overscan!
Date: 9 Nov 1992 05:47:08 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Does anyone know how much the Auto-switch overscan device costs, and/or
who I can contact to buy it, or get more info
who I can contact to buy it, or get more information about it from?

(This is the gadget that gives higher than 320*200 or320*400 or 640*400
resolution - adding almost a quarter of the screen size again, giving
higher resolution!)

Any help??
From: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: "Connection timed out" on a.a
Date: 10 Nov 1992 10:05:25 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <hjv.721260768@groucho.phil.ruu.nl>, hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra) writes:
>dud@hardy.u.washington.edu (Daniel Aylward) writes:
>>For some reason when I just now tried FTPing from a.a, every time I try to
>>get a file it says "connection timed out" instantly.  Anyone know what's up?
>The first time I ftp-ed today, I couldn't 'cd' to the atari-dir (timeout).
>Five minutes ago I couldn't even login... After giving a password, I got a
>'can't set guest privileges. connection failed.'.
>?????
>Hendrik Jan Veenstra    hjv@phil.ruu.nl  *  How can I save my dreams

Sorry I had to edit this as are mailer here on the Vax will not
send follow ups if to much of the original text is still left in..

This also happened to me here New Zealand on Monday and also to-day Tuesday,
I get a connect and then a disconnect...???

What Gives Chaps....???


Roger..............            sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz


Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:16386 comp.sys.atari.st.tech:5531
From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
Distribution: world
Organization:  One of these days for sure
X-News: HERMES MMAIL 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Subject: Re: Quantum 105LPS on ST
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 14:59:02 -0700

In <16876@umd5.umd.edu> jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes:

>I'm trying to get a Quantum 105LPS to work on my Atari ST. 
...
>......I'm using a Supra Host Adaptor (one of the
>early ones, from ~'88, before the clock chip and DMA passthrough were
>added).

	Better get in touch with Supra. I know when I got my 52lps, my old
ICD host adapter, even with the rom ugrade, wouldn't work with the lps. I
ended up having to buy an ADscsi pro. I think the lps uses some of the
newer scsi commands that these old boards don't understand.


-- 
 John Henders      " Only _my_ words are relevant to the issue " 
  T.K.O.O.C.            <1992May11.073237.14684@rotag.mi.org>
                kevin@rotag.mi.org(Kevin "I'm not a net cop" Darcy)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: grier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier)
Subject: Re: How to contact CodeHead
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 17:36:42 GMT

I need to upgrade to 3.7x myself. According to posts on GEnie
you need to send your original disk and $25 to :

CodeHead Technologies
P.O. Box 74090
Los Angeles, Ca. 90004

Tel (213) 386-5735
Fax (213) 386-5789

If you recently (the last month or so) they may be willing to
wave the $25, 3.7x has been out for about a month now. It never
hurts to ask, but be ready to show your receipt.

Brian, WS1S
Bell Northern Research
Research Triangle Park, NC
bjgrier@bnr.ca
From: ddv@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Domenico De Vitto)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Minix
Date: 12 Nov 92 08:35:22 GMT
Organization: University of Brighton, UK

Please post the answers !!!!

I'd also interested..........
Tanx,

Dom
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is there any Atari support..!!!
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:26:04 GMT
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article 69154@cup.portal.com, Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com () writes:

>I suppose making fun of someone and their problems is easier than
>trying to come to grips with the real problems in the Atari world..
> 
>That seems to be the accepted procedure anyway..
> 
>BobR


WHOA!  Hold on there, Bob!  I think you are being entirely unfair here.  I was
NOT making fun of Roger's dilemna in finding support for his Atari in New
Zealand.  Far from it... I well realize the difficulty and frustration in
getting support from Atari or Atari dealers, rare commodities that they are.
Having lived in Australia a few years, I can also sympathize with the specific
problems of support that users face in Oz and NZ.  It ain't easy in the US but
it's even _worse_ there.

My complaint (OK, my bitch) to Roger was that he said "anyone considering an
Atari computer needs to have their head examined."  THAT is what I complained
about... I don't like being insulted because I use an Atari computer.  Do you?

Roger also owns a PC and has frequently touted it's virtues over the Atari in
this newsgroup.  Roger and I nitpick each other on occasion just to maintain a
balanced perspective, but I still consider us "friends" on this net.  WE don't
have a problem with that, why do YOU?

>By the way, John.. I've seen your messages in the IBM games newsgroups..

Yes Bob, you are right.  I have posted in the PC newsgroups.  Is that a crime?
Besides 3 Atari computers, I also own a PC and a Macintosh.  Heck, I'd own an 
Amiga and a Silicon Graphics too if I could afford them.  I enjoy each machine
for different reasons although I admit, due to familiarity, I am more partial
to the Atari machines.  How does that make me one of the "bad guys???"

>Are we to take that as an indication of your dedication to the 
>Atari Cheerleaders oath..?

My only Atari "oath" is towards my Atari customers, not the hardware itself.

>(Or should we just make fun of you because you couldn't just tough
>it out with the rest of the Atari regulars..?)

You are more than welcome to "make fun of me" as much as you like, Bob.  It's a
free country.  But please do NOT insinuate (through ignorance or otherwise) that
I have abandoned the Atari camp and my Atari customers solely because I use and
enjoy other machines too.  I may be a computer geek, but I'm not traitorous!

---

___________________________ John "HUTCH" Hutchinson _________________________
_________________ Fair Dinkum Technologies     Member - IAAD  _______________
________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
____________ email: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov   GEnie: FAIR-DINKUM _____________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,comp.sys.atari.st.tech
From: carrollw@ucs.orst.edu (William Carroll)
Subject: Disk Drive FOR SALE !!
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 07:58:32 GMT

  
   I have the following FOR SALE!!

	ATARI SF 314 DS/DD 3.5" Disk Drive
		External w/ PS and cable.

	I.B. 5.25in DS/DD Disk Drive
		External w/ own PS and cable
		You can read and write both Atari and IBM 5 1/4 Disks.

	"Drive Master" switch box (switch between two drives)
		Leave two external drives pluged in and switch between
		them with the touch of a button. 

   Will let all go for $200.00 (OBO)


 Call me at (503) 752-1452
		OR
 Email to carrollw @ucs.orst.edu


	
Thanks for your time and computer space!

	Bill Carroll
From: volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is Atari going bust..??
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:40:07 GMT
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany

In article <1992Oct31.163817.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith) writes:
>In article <1ct7veINNnim@golem.wcc.govt.nz>, sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>>  > STUMPF SPEAKS UP! STR Spotlight       Alwin Stumpf speaks up....

>I don't know if the message purporting to be from Mr. Stumpf is a forgery

It is a forgery.  You can tell from several slips the writer made, the real
Alwin Stumpf would never write like that ("copywrite", "grusses" :-)

The msg originated on a Macintosh in a German hacker network.  That alone 
should tell you enough. Please don't waste bandwith even further.

-- Volker
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