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From: cs902117@ariel.yorku.ca (TONY D'ALFONSO)
Subject: Re: Brian Trottier back to Islanders?
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 02:50:49 GMT


I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it!  FANTASTIC MOVE ON BEHALF OF 
THE NEW MANAGEMENT (I am starting to like them already!)

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From: pyacm@trentu.ca (A Colin Morton)
Subject: Re: John Kordic (Toronto Star Article)
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:34:19 GMT

In article <92Aug13.091527edt.47897@neat.cs.toronto.edu> mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green) writes:
>[...] Kordic was a cement-brained, illiterate, thug. He is
>best known for sneaking up on Keith Acton, a player half his size, and
>breaking Acton's nose with a slash from behind. He bitched and
>complained with the Leafs that he was "only" being paied $170,000 and
>wanted a big raise.
>
>Where else, except in sports, could such a truly vile human being be
>given so many chances and be paid so much for doing the same thing
>that would put any normal person in jail for several years. The
>problem is not that the NHL did too little for him but that they did
>too much. If the NHL should be crticized, it should only be for
>employing such people in the first place.
>
>Marc Green
>Trent University

Excuse me -- addiction is an illness, and if the NHL were truly
major-league, they would have a substance abuse program in place.  Of
course, Kordic could have also found help for himself, but he failed,
and was shuffled around the league like a piece of old luggage until he
self-destructed.  Everyone knew it was coming; it was just a question of
when.

By the way Marc, us Trent folks are supposed to be compassionate,
liberal radical types.  You're destroying that image.  Keep up the good
work (no sarcasm intended).

Colin.
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From: bimson@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (GREG)
Subject: re: Bowman Says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:37:00 GMT

In article <92Aug17.115208edt.47956@neat.cs.toronto.edu>, mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green) writes...
>>From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)
> 
>>Now it's my turn to say Amen.  I haven't trusted that guy from day one.  I
>>think all his wonderful talk is just that...talk.  The only big plans he has
>>for the Penguins is to gut the team of talent, unload it, and take the money
>>and run.
> 
>This, of course, contrasts with the rational behavior of losing
>millions of dollars in a market too small to support a team in the
>time of escalating salaries. Jesus, some people are really generous
>with other people's money.
> 
>Don't blame Baldwin for the current situation. The blame for all this
>falls squarely on McNall and and especially Caron, who changed the
>economics of hockey.
> 
>Marc Green
>Trent University
> 
> 
> 
A market too small to support a team.  Now I've heard it all.  The 
Pens almost sell out every game, and the market is too small.  I 
wonder what you have to say about the three new expansion teams, all 
with arenas under 11,000 seating capacity, or Hartford, who is close 
to that.  Or what about the Portland Trailblazers, with their seating 
cap. under 13,000.  Oh, I'm sorry, that's the NBA, where their TV 
contract is much better than that of the NHL.  I posted my earlier 
comments, which paraphrased that two things must happen:

1) The NHL must land a Network TV contract to make money and to market 
the game.
2) The owners must stop being so greedy ($50M is too much for an 
expansion team).

Otherwise, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT THE NHL WILL SURVIVE

Greg
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Long Road Trips
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:46:27 GMT

In article 12270@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com, lipinski_todd@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com () writes:
>Do most of the teams in the NHL and/or NBA have to go on similar long (two
>Weeks each) road trips?  Or is this isolated to the Blackhawks only?

The Sharks took a right pounding early last year during a ten-game (or
was it thirteen?) road trip that seemed like it would never end...

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From: bimson@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (GREG)
Subject: Bowman as Pens coach
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:42:00 GMT

Well, I guess everyone is right about Baldwin.  If anyone decides to 
pay a coach, whose never coached one game, $300,000 a year, then 
Bowman deserves more.  And I can pull this from experience.  The Caps, 
who for years under Bryan Murray stressed defense more than offense, 
were seriously outcoached in the first round of the playoffs.  Bowman 
took a team with no serious defensive threat, and shut the Caps down 
in the final three games of the series.  I was at game 5, and the Caps 
were leading 2-1 through the middle of the 2nd period.  Then I saw 
what the Caps and Terry Murray wished that they never seen:  Defense 
so good you could win the cup with it.  Now Baldwin wants to dump 
Bowman.  What an asshole.

And as for Melrose, 1) Who is he?, 2) Is he being paid to be Gretzky's
baby-sitter, and 3) Will they win a cup with him.  The answers are :

           1) Who cares.  2) Yes.  3) No.

The reason that Gretzky was on so many Cup teams in Edmonton is that 
Sather was the coach and GM, and he knew how to coach.  Now, LA has 
had to deal with Ftorek, Webster, and now this guy.  Sounds almost 
like Pittsburgh with Pierre whats-his-face and Gene Ubriaco (Who I 
thought was a good coach).  Then they got a good coach, now see where 
they are.

As for Terry Murray, well, I believe he should be fired.  He had three 
games to figure out how to get around Mario and Co. with the new and 
improved defense, and he couldn't do it.  Out go the Caps for the 11th 
straight year.

Greg Bimson

No cup for the Caps with a Murray as the coach.
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From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:57:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <allan.713558026@menaik> allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:
>claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:

Olympic hockey
>would overshadow the other Olympic events and remove much-deserved
>attention from deserving atheletes.

Another true piece of NHL-style logic. Let me get it straight: you advocate
not including the most popular sports into the Olympics because they "would
overshadow the other Olympic events"? Thus, I presume, you suggest removing
hockey, figure skating, speed skating, skiing from th eWinter Olympics so
that the bobsled guys got their deserved atention?

Are you also in favor of removing voleyball, basketball, table tennis,
track&field and gymnastics from the Summer Olympics so that divers would
get more atention? 

Also, given the fact that ice hockey is truly popular in only 7 or 8
countries, why woul dit overshadow other Olympic sports?

Vlad

Employer disagrees
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Bowman Says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 17:35:20 GMT

In article <92Aug17.115208edt.47956@neat.cs.toronto.edu> mgreen@cs.toronto.edu (Marc Green) writes:

>Don't blame Baldwin for the current situation. The blame for all this
>falls squarely on McNall and and especially Caron, who changed the
>economics of hockey.

Pray tell me how McNall is responsible for this.  He is paying Gretzky what he
deserved, and he has, during these years, signed exactly one big name free
agent: Larry Robinson.  He traded for all the other players whom he's paying.

===============================================================================
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Go for Next Year! :-(
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Ray Whitney for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
	Pat Falloon for Hart! :-) Neil Wilkinson for Norris!  ('92-'93)
===============================================================================
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:32:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.213744.8314@erg.sri.com> vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:
>>
>>Soccer football is perhaps the most popular sport in the world...what
>>is wrong with advocating a format for hockey just like that of soccer.
>>
>
>Only one little detail: the reason why they limit the age of soccer players
>in th eOlympics to 23 is because they do not want the Olympics to rival the
>World Cup of soccer. However, there is NO SUCH thing in hockey. If you
>don't count Izvestia Cup, Sweden Cup, Canada Cup and other minor commercial events
>designed to promote local teams. 
>
>So, unless the hockey poweres find a way of having their own World Cup,
>your argument is void, Gerald. 
>

But then you will never get that World Cup, if you put the NHL in the
Olympics, and furthermore, the Olympic tournament would just be another flawed
tournament like the current World Championships or the Canada Cup
because the teams would have no time to properly prepare.

An age-group Olympics would also likely help some East European
countries keep their young hockey players at home...until 22 or 
23...which would be good for domestic hockey leagues in those
countries...having them signed and 20 or 21 and sent by NHL to
minor North American leagues doesn't make a lot of sense.

Gerald
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Neely & Bs (was Re: TEAMS TO WATCH (Sabres - better watch quickly))
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:31:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: hsdndev.1744
Organization: HMS

In article <DRAKE.92Aug19104238@dragon.cpe.ulowell.edu> drake@dragon.cpe.ulowell.edu (Frank Drake) writes:
>
>BTW, don't forget that Bob Sweeney was signed a couple of weeks back. I'm
>sleeping better these nights knowing this. To quote a local sportswriter,
>he's GOTTA have some nasty pictures of SOMEONE in the organization ;-)
>
>Frank

And his contract proably has 'No Demotion to Providence at any time during
the exhibition,regular,and playoff seasons' clause in it too.

As far as Neely goes, in yesterday's Herald there was kind of pessimitic
article on the progress he's been making which sounded like he'll be overly
cautious when he steps onto the ice in September. Is it possible Sweeny
might take over the banger role which he kind of exhbited in the playoffs?
I kept last Wednsday's photo captioned 'Serious B's-ness' which had Stumpel,
Pavlov,Cheruyakov and Pantaleyev posing outside of Logan International
Airport. Cheruyakov looks like one mean dude and could play an enforcer
role from the get-go if asked.

Kvartlnov and Zholtok arrived into Boston the next day(Thursday) and all
5 Russian-speaking players are staying with different American host families
in the Boston area. Stumpel was supposed to stay with Ruzicka for now.

-Mark
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: pyacm@trentu.ca (A Colin Morton)
Subject: Re: John Kordic (Toronto Star Article)
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:13:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.165339.7398@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (roger maynard) writes:
>
>I went to Trent as well.  Briefly, in 1973.  Peter Robinson College.  Is 
>that right? 
>
It may be correct, but it sure as heck ain't right.

Colin.
A Champlain College guy.
Organization: Penn State University
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X-Subliminal-Message: oomogswoc rules!!!!
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 10:44:25 EDT
From: Doug Morack <DCM115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Dek Hockey rulebook?
Distribution: na

In article <Bt54IC.5q9.1@cs.cmu.edu>, lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) says:

>Does such a thing as a Dek Hockey rulebook exist?  And if so, can someone
>give me advice on how to get one?  I tried the local book stores and sporting
>good stores without success.   (I haven't tried Rupp's yet.)  Would contacting
>Mylec be a good idea?

   Yes, such a book exists.  I was able to get one at the YMCA when I coached
Instructional Street Hockey.  You might want to try your local YMCA.  I've seen
the book in several sporting goods stores in the area, but only during hockey
season.  I would try Rupp's.  If they don't have it, I'm sure they could tell
you where to get it.

                                                 Doug
From: Gary_Ponting@mindlink.bc.ca (Gary Ponting)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Canucks-Fergus agreement
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:28:04 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

The canucks and Tom Fergus have come to agreement at last. The details of the
deal were not released. Fergus was one of three free agents that the canucks
had to sign. They've already lost Igor Larinonv to a Swedish Team and Kirk
McLean remains unsigned.

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From: lsa@ll.mit.edu (lisa s anderson)
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Reply-To: lsa@ll.mit.edu (lisa s anderson)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 15:52:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.051748.22601@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:

|>
|>Since Edmonton has won a Stanley Cup and three Smythe division
|>championships (whereas LA has not)...and with a little bit more
|>luck in staying healthy might have made 3 SC finals, I would
                          ^^^^^ 
Wow!  This is first time (that I can remember) you didn't say "WOULD 
have won had Messier not been injured".  I guess you can't count on 
anything anymore...

|>Gerald
|>

-lisa
From: gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bowman says No!(USA Today WAS wrong!)
Date: 15 Aug 92 13:51:10 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug15.042110.21837@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>The going rate for a competent coach has pretty much been set with
>the Burns, Sutter, and Melrose contracts...to get someone for
>good for less than what Melrose signed for considering that nothing
>less than a third Stanley Cup will be expected, essentially means
>that person is incompetent or desparate.  How is any coach going
>to be able to command any respect earning 100K when Barry Melrose
>is earning 300K in LA...what Pittsburgh loses without Bowman is a
>half of the intimidation factor in the playoffs.  Pittsburgh could
>float all year and finish third or fourth again and the mere fact
>that Lemieux is on the ice and Bowman is behind the bench is enough
>to make Roger Nielson go into coaching overload.  

Well, it's not like the guy is going underground forever.  He'll no
doubt play an important role in the day-to-day preparations, and his
presence will be felt, just like it was when Badger Bob was behind the
bench.  

I agree with Sherry.  I don't think it's all that terrible that the guy
isn't going to coach.  The players didn't particularly care for him,
and while I don't exonerate them in the least for being crybabies and
spoiled brats, it's a fact of life in pro sports that in these
situations
it's easier to get a new coach rather than a new team.  Realistically,
the regular season means nothing, and any coach that the Pens get is
going to find himself in no worse than third place going into the
playoffs, and they can certainly contend for the Cup from those
circumstances.  Bowman is superb at his other job of scouting and
evaluation, and his doing that job will benefit the team tremendously
for both the short and the long term.  Then, when the playoffs roll
around, the team can still tap into Bowman's experience and benefit
from it.

And quite frankly, I don't think it would take much to intimidate
Roger Neilson from a coaching standpoint, nor do I think it's necessary.
Given a chance, the guy would likely self-destruct on his own.

But lastly, the Pens have screwed it up from a PR standpoint.  Bowman
deserved better than the way this whole thing was handled.

rick
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From: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se (John Dryselius TG/HB)
Subject: Re: NHL in the Olympics
Reply-To: etxjdry@caddie.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:52:41 GMT


>
~Stuff deleted~

>The NHL in the Olympics, I predict, won't happen, because basically
>there is no money in it and a lot of the players aren't going to
>be interested...and any money there is will go to the IOC mostly
>and not to the NHL or NHLPA.
>

I guess you're right about the money, but I think many players would be interested in playing the Olympics - at least the Finnish and the Swedish - but I'm afraid their clubs won't allow them to play.
 
>The NHL is going to take real NHL games to Europe eventually with
>neutral site games as a prelude to expansion, and this makes
>infinitely more sense than the NHL in the Olympics.  
>

I don't think NHL can expand to Europe. The hockey here's already too strong itself. Perhaps the pro leagues in Germany, France, Italy, Switzerland and the amateur leagues in Finland, Russia, Sweden, Czechoslovakia, Poland etc. can set up a pan-Europe league, but that would be an NHL independent one.
With all the problems between NHL and IIHF (or what the Internatioanl Hockey Association ever is called)  - problems they're both responsible for having created - nobody in Europe wants NHL here. Imagine yourself IIHF taking over Canadian hockey - it's the same thing.

>The collective hysteria about NBA Dream Team kitsch will collapse
>under the weight of fiscal reality.  The NBA has kitsch to sell...
>which it did, the NHL doesn't...and that is actually a good thing. 
>
>Gerald
>
I agree. In basketball the American pro players are superior to the rest of the world, but as we've seen for the last 10-15 years the best Canadian team you can put upon skates are not bound to defeat everyone else, though they would be difficult to beat of course.

John


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From: scairns@is.morgan.com (Scott Cairns)
Subject: NYC Area Hockey Players Wanted
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:15:36 GMT

Looking for semi-experienced ice hockey players to fill a few open
slots on our Westchester County based team playing in our 4th season
in Hockey North America.

HNA is a non-checking league (although there's still plenty of 
incidental body contact).

For complete details, email me.

League tryouts are in September and the league starts in mid-October.




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From: paul@maunakea.Data-IO.COM (Paul Brownlow)
Subject: Brian Sakic stats
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:39:22 GMT

As Glenn Chin and review of the WHL Guide have pointed out,
Joe and Brian Sakic played together in Swift Current in 1987-88,
the year before the Broncos won the Memorial Cup.

Brian Sakic's junior stats, excluding 1991-1992:

Hometown:  Burnaby, B.C., September 4, 1971
Center.  Shoots Left.  5'10" 156 lbs.

			Season			Playoffs
Year	Club	GP    G    A    PTS  PIM     GP    G    A    PTS   PIM
1987-88	S. Cur.	65   12   37     49   12      9    3    8     11     0
1988-89 S. Cur.	71   36   64    100   28     12    9    9     18     8
1989-90 S. Cur.	 8    6    7     13    4      -    -    -      -     -
 	TriCity	58   47   92    139    8      -    -    -      -     -
1990-91 TriCity 69   40  122    162   19      5    2    3      5     4
WHL Totals     271  141  322    463   71     26   14   20     34    12

Drafted by Washington Capitals in the fifth round, 1990
Second Team West Division All-Star Left Wing, 1990

WHL Records (through 1991)

Most Assists on Power Play Goals (Season), 63 (1990-91)
Most Assists (Game), 8 (10/3/90 vs. Seattle)
Most Points (Game), 10 (10/3/90 vs. Seattle)
Most Assist in One Period, 5 (10/3/90 vs. Seattle)

WHL Career Records set in 1991-92

Most assists (prev. 343, Rob Brown, Kamloops)
Most points (prev. 573, Glen Goodall, Seattle)

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From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Le Febvre (sp) a Leaf??
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:12:41 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Aug20.215037.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

>I saw today that Toronto signed Canadian free-agent Sylvian Le Febvre 
>(sp) nad gave next years 3rd round pick as compensation.
> 
>So what kind of player is he?  I know nothing about him -- but I know
>Pat Burns wants him, so what's the deal?
> 
He's a defenseman to replace free-agent Rick Nattress, who signed with
Philadelphia yesterday.  I don't have his stats with me.  Burns should
know better than anyone what sort of players Montreal has, so I assume
he fills a void on the Leafs.



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