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From: moreland@happy.sdsc.edu (John Moreland)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Patch Editor/Librarian
Followup-To: moreland@sdsc.edu
Date: 14 Aug 1992 16:04:18 GMT
Organization: San Diego Supercomputer Center @ UCSD
Distribution: world
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Summary: Patch Editor/Librarian
Keywords: Patch Editor/Librarian

Hi Patch Hacks,

There are more an more synths these days which use both "synthesized"
type voices, as well as "Waveform-based/Sampled" type voices.  My question
is...  What's the best way to store and organize the darn "patch" 
along with the sample ?

Here's the problem I'm having...

I have a Yamaha SY99, a Mac, and I run Galaxy+, Opcode's Editor/Librarian.
"Some" of the voices I would like to store/organize with Galaxy+ happen
to have sample data (sometimes BIG heaps-o-sample-data), but Galaxy+
does not know how to deal with sample data.  For these voices
to be useful, you HAVE to keep the samples around.  How ?  Galaxy does
not know anything about sample data other than its stupid "Sample Names"
module (for keeping track of "names" of samples - woopee!), or by using a
bulk dump to store raw sample dump standard data (yuck - I can't even get
at the sample data to edit it or send it to another program to edit/tweek).

Is there an answer to storing, organizing, editing and loading voices like
these (ie: voice=patch+sample) in a "nice" way ?

Thanks,
John

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Subject: Help w/ Gates & Vocals
From: <MRLCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 18 Aug 1992 10:38:26 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Supersedes: <92231.101556MRLCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>

   Can anyone please give me the low down on compressers and/or gates? I am
using a non-digital studio and am having some trouble with vocalist blowing
the peak meters at times. I've heard that compressers can work for me and I
have access to them but have never used them. Can anyone enlighten me?

   I also heard that exciters can bring new life to vocals and since I am
starting to lay singing tracks (I can handle rap track with no problem) I
find that these seem to lack. Any tips from the pros out there?

   Please respond or email me some help.
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MARC(MRLCC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU)
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From: 6o25@sdf.lonestar.org (Stephen M. Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.industrial,misc.wanted
Subject: wanted: SCI Prophet 6oo
Keywords: Sequential Circuits Prophet 600 analog synth
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:38:49 GMT
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access

hello... I am looking for one of these...  I have one and I really like
it alot... please email me if you are interested in TRADING DATA PATCH
TAPES... or if you have one forsale... thank you!

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From: dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: Re: New sounds for the JV-30
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:04:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.153955.21982@kth.se> pesjogre@nada.kth.se (Peter Sj{gren) writes:
>Hi,
>
>my local synth dealer told me that the JV-30 is expandable [...]

	I read this as "...the JV-30 is expendable".  A little Freudian action
there, I guess.

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton Koelman)
Subject: Re: Anyone out there with an R-8,R-8M Drum machine?
Reply-To: koelman@stc.nato.int
Organization: SHAPE Technical Centre, NL
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:21:59 GMT

> 
> It is a real *bitch* to program though ! They had room to add a 
> few more buttons ! I just do not understand why they couldn't put
> a dedicated 'enter' button instead of having the right cursor
> double as enter. In some screens the up down arrows become cursor
> keys so that if you want to cursor right and hit the 'right  
cursor/enter'
> it takes it as 'enter'. Aaaarrggghhh !!!!!!!!!

Agreed. I'm getting kind of desparate to get an editor 
for my R8M.
What drives me nuts is that if you change the sound, the
other parameters are reset to the 'initial setting' including
output and volume. Aaaarrggghhh !!!!!!!!!

> If your mind has been warped by using a U110/U220/U20 then you might
> be right at home though since the layout is the same.

not quite! U220 is much better. When the U110 turned out
to be (somewhat of) a failure. Roland used the remaining
front panels for the R8M (that's the rumour at least...)
 
> The R8 will accept 3 ROM + 1 RAM card as oppossed to the R8 which
> takes one of each so if you can get the R8M. I've seen a few R8s
> used so try to avoid buying new ...

I'll second that although the R8M may be hard to find.
They won't swap it for a D4. They aren't stupid...

--
Ton Koelman   e-mail: koelman@stc.nato.int (NeXT Mail Welcome!)
SHAPE Technical Centre, P.O. Box 174, 2501 CD  The Hague
The Netherlands  (voice: 31-70-3142429, fax: 31-70-3142111)
From: dan@cafws2.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless)
Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream Equipment on this tour
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:38:22 GMT

In article <36943@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jdawes@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Shaggy) writes:

>By the way Chris Franke (I think ... came out just a few months ago
>with his first (?) solo album "West Coast Highway" (anyone heard it?)

	That's "Pacific Coast Highway".

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From: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (A.R.F.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Looking for suggestions on price of ...
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 19:56:47 CST
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

... a Freeman String Synthesizer.  Who amoung the other 'old timers' 
here, are/were familiar with this beast?  What do you think it would be 
worth (I've seen it.  It's in very good physical condition).  
I'll be borrowing it to try out.  I'll probably come up with my own 
amount, but if it's worth something, I don't wish to rip the guy off (or 
etc.)
 
Five

;--- (A.R.F.) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64
;E-mail: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: tmm@world.std.com (Tom M Moravansky)
Subject: MMT-8 repair record
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:08:59 GMT

 An informal survey:  I would like to know from all the MMT-8
owners the following:

How long have you had your unit?
How much use does it get?
Have you had to get it repaired?
If yes, what was the problem?  and
How many times did you have to send it back until it was really fixed?

The reason is that I am sending mine back for the third time and it
still spontaneously resets every so often.  Also, talking to a number of
people in the D.C. area, I noticed that almost 100% have had to get their
unit looked at after about 2 to 3 years of use.
From: crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM (crispen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Tell me about the K2000
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:24:14 GMT
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Return-Path: crispen <@ada3.ca.boeing.com:crispen@efftoo>
X-Envelope-To: SYNTH-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@ada3.ca.boeing.com

"Tell me about the K2000"????!!!!!

OK, you guys in the Kurzweil Klub set this up, didn't you?

Bob
crispen@foxy.boeing.com
From: webster.Henr801c@XEROX.COM
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: re: Mixer/Power Amp/Speaker Recommendations
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:14:02 GMT


> I'm thinking of replacing it with some sort of rack-mounted mixer and power
> amp, and a speaker cabinet.  The system will be used extensively for live
> work, but will also be used for some recording.

I was in the same position last year (replace KB100 with professional-level
amp/speaker).  I got a Ashley FET 1500M ($575, Brighton Sound, Rochester, NY)
and a JBL SR4722 (12" + horn, $569, Brighton Sound, Rochester, NY).  I've been
extremely pleased with both.  The amp is great for small/medium clubs, and I've
even used it for fairly large clubs and outdoor gigs.  The speaker has
something like a 100 x 100 degree dispersion so for small/medium size clubs, it
covers the entire club, plus sends enough cross-stage to the other band members
that we didn't need a monitor from me (great simplification) unless we were at
a large club.

I had originally planned to use my KB100 for certain situations, but after
using the Ashley/JBL, the KB sounds like it has a towel thrown over it, and I
haven't used it since.

marc webster
From: sorgatz@avatar.tti.com (sorgatz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: What KEYBOARDS did DEVO use in their CLASSIC days?
Date: 17 Aug 92 21:51:29 GMT
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.

In article <1992Aug12.135045.22074@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> chucksi@stc.comm.mot.com (Chuckorama) writes:
>Does anyone know what keyboards DEVO used in their classic era ("Freedom of
>Choice" - anything including and prior to "Oh NO, IT's DEVO")

 Uhuh...according to the interviews in KEYBOARD Magazine: Minimoogs, Wasp, EML
500, EML101, EML301, Arp 2600, Arp Oddessy, Micromoogs, PAIA Modular stuff and
some swell homebrew stuff that Mothersbaugh and Casale put together out of the
various junk that Bob 1 had lying around...oh and they also used an Optigon and
a Mellotron, the Optigon is Mothersbaugh's *favorite* cause you can put in the
discs backwards and have sucking-banjo sounds! ;-) D-E-V-O! Bob 2 claimed that
they "couldn't keep up the payments on the Mellotron"...so they took it apart!
..scavanged it! And when the repro-guy came by he couldn't identify it! Har!
har! HAR! What a band! I still dig their wacky sounds!...anybody else got a
DEVO story to share?




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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Subject: Re: Mac Upgrade Brings Success?!?
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 13:01:48 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Aug14.195702.22498@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jrblack@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Black) writes:
>
>	I recently decided to take the plunge and upgrade my Mac Plus which
>has been chugging along, choking on Performer 3.42.  When the price of the
>IIsi dropped to $1,200 at the campus store - I made my move.  I figured I
>could live with 1 slot and $2355 for a ci stripped was a little too much.
>
>	After upgrading the memory to 5meg (which BTW was a pleasure - I
Stuff deleted...
>graphic editing pains.  When I think of the time saved, I kick myself for
>not INVESTING in a machine faster than 8MHz *long* ago.  My advice to anyone
>with a 'slow' machine - if you feel your time is worth saving atleast 50% -
>do it.  I consider my time extremely valuable and the time saved - somewhere
>around 100-150% in actual sequence editing - this was the ticket.  Now if I
>can find a sample editor, synth ed/lib that will recognize the MTP in FAST
Etc,etc.,

Actually if all you want is a mac that can do the LC thang...

You coulda had a BrainStorm for $199 + installation that boosts that
Plus right up there with the best of them. But no color of course.
Still, will run lots of old software the new ones can't.

Good example of plug and play.
Thanks,
Jeff-

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: driesse@qucis.queensu.ca (Anthonie Driesse)
Subject: SysEx utility for Mac Powerbook with Midi Manager
Followup-To: driesse@qucis.queensu.ca
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:19:24 GMT

Does anyone know of a simple System Exclusive utility program that
will send and receive patch dumps,
     run on the Mac
     use the Midi Manager
     possibly calculate checksums
     costs little or nothing

Please reply by mail.

Thanks in advance,
Anton
From: pauls@trsvax.tandy.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: What module for midi AND PC games?
Date: 11 Aug 92 14:33:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:hpspkla.spk.hp.com:4760048:trsvax:27300045:000:286
Nf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!pauls    Aug 11 09:33:00 1992


Get the new Gravis ULTRASOUND board. It is just now coming out. It has
general MIDI sounds via Ensoniq 16+ sample library, and has a soundblaster
emulation mode that as far as I can tell works perfectly (BUT.. you should
use DOS 5 and load the driver into high memory).

Check it out.
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.dsp,comp.sys.hp
From: rdm@hpsalo.cern.ch (Fons Rademakers)
Subject: Re: AUDIO-CD READING ?
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics
	<Bt5LB3.GHv@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de>
	<1992Aug18.132845.12795@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> <Bt94nC.5zr@emu.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:30:35 GMT


Just a thought. Can't you just connect the headphone output on the CD-player
with the mic input on, for example, a 705 or 710? You won't record real
digital data in this way but would you lose a lot of quality?

-- Fons Rademakers.

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From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,comp.music,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Re: New specs of Atari Falcon (500 Pounds)
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:57:06 GMT
Organization: Bradley University

jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:

>IF 500 Pound price == $500-$700 price in America, Atari Falcon will
>be greatest micro ever made!!  With PC and Mac emulators it will
>run most software in the world! 

Nope.  #500 is more like $900-1000 actually, but still damn impressive if
Atari can get it out.

Of course, it's moot here, because there isn't an Atari dealer within
300 miles of here 'cuz they treat their U.S. dealers (and especially
dealers in the Midwest) so shitty that no one wants to carry the damn
things anyway.
-- 
=========*davE*.....making the world safe for intelligent dance music.=========
--(David Vessell)--(Bradley University Computing Services)-(dave@bradley.edu)--
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:30:48 CDT
From:         "Jonathon Simon" <JSIMON@TRINITY.EDU>
Subject:      Studio Sale: M1's, EMAXII (loaded), Renoun amp, FX pedals

A few items left.  Last time I will post.  All prices are negotiable -
Make me an offer.

*AND REMEMBER*,
prices already include shipping, insurance, & COD(in continental U.S.A.).

Contact Jonathon Simon on the net at:
   JSIMON@Trinity.Edu
   Trinity University Computing Center
   San Antonio, Texas

Emu EMAX II with internal hard drive, cartridge, & exp. RAM   $2025.00
  - 16 bit sampling keyboard
  - Operating manual and MIDI RS 422 (sysex spec sheet)
  - RAM expanded to 4 Meg
  - Sounds on floppies and 44 meg Syquest cartridges
     (6) x 1meg Emu EMAX 16 bit floppy sound banks
     >50 EMAX (mostly 12 bit) floppy sound banks
     (8) x 44meg Syquest cartridges w/4meg & 16meg Emu Emax2 sound banks
  - 44 meg "Magic" Syquest cartridge SCSI hard drive & floppy drive
  - Does not have the stereo input feature (only output)
  - Mint condition (used only in home studio)
  - Will considerr selling carts and cart drive seperately.  Cart blanks
      were $60.00, new.

Korg M1 with Korg RAM card                                    $1150.00
  - Mint condition (used as midi slave in home studio)

Korg M1R Ex (expanded rack mount M1)                          $1050.00
  - Essentially a rack mount T series w/ an M1 sequencer
  - Operating manual
  - Like new with box (used only in home studio)

Peavey Renoun Guitar amp (9 year old version)                 $ 260.00
  - very nice condition (used only in home studio)
  - 160 watt, lead & rythm channel
  - distortion, reverb, EQ, Presence
  - Foot switch (reverb  &  channel A,B, or A+B)

2 Ibanez Effect Pedals                        $45.00 ea or $85.00 both
  - Very nice condition (yep! used only in home studio)
  - Stereo Chorus
  - Digital Delay
  - batteries not included!
From: mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM (Michael R. Kesti)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Portamento...
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:15:08 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley  CA

>In rec.music.synth, scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker) writes:

>> Portamento seemed to disappear when sample players started to take over.
>> Perhaps it is a little more difficult to do with sample playback (although
>> I don't see why).
>
>Perhaps [the disppearance of portamento] is because, with the exception of
>the pennywhistle and slide
>trombone, acoustic instruments generally don't have this feature either...

If this is their reasoning, I have to disagree.  A great many instruments
(fretless (and fretted!)strings, horns, etc.) are capable of slurs and
glisses for which portamento could be used to advantage when synthesizing.
For example, I sequenced a cover of a song recently in which the bass player
would play the root for the first 3 beats of each measure, then a slur from
the minor fifth to the fifth in the forth beat.  I sysnthesized this using
the pitch bender, but a well implemented portamento would have made this
somewhat easier, and would have thinned the data stream of the pitch bend
messages, too.

-- 
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Michael Kesti  Grass Valley Group, Inc. | "And like, one and one don't make
    mrk@gvgspd.GVG.TEK.COM              |  two, one and one make one."
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From: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Subject: Re: Tell me about the K2000
Reply-To: shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:38:13 GMT

I don't own a K2000 yet but I did spend a lot of time playing with one ...
The K2000 uses sample waveforms (like the Korg M1, Kawai K4, Yamaha SY77)
and has a synth architecture (like the M1/K4/SY77). Some of the things that
distinguish it from other similar synths:

- You can read in your own samples from disk. It will read Akai S1000 disks,
   and accepts MIDI Sample dump. So you use these samples and then modify
   them using the synth architecture. Sure the Korg T series (and even M1
   with Frontal Lobe) can do this but they .5M for samples wheras the 
   K2000 can have ... up to 64M. Also, the K2000 has SCSI ports so that
   you can hook up a hard drive to it for storing and retreiving samples.
   Also, a user sampling option is coming out in the fall.

- The VAST synth architecture allows you to pick and choose which synth
  functions you want, and it has some unusual synth functions (eg FM)
  as well.

I was told the effcts chip in the K2000 is Digitech's chip from the 256XL.

I like the K2000 but it uses standard interfaces (SCSI, use of Mac SIMMs
for memory expansion, etc.) instead of proprietary stuff, is expandable,
is easy to use, and above all sound great !


cheers,


Shiv

 
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Via: uk.ac.leeds.ai; Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:20:40 +0100
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:09:25 BST
From:         The Brown Bottle <ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Need Recommendations on Adding Polyphony
Comments: To: SYNTH-L@AMERICAN.EDU, xrjdm@calvin.gsfc.nasa.gov

>From: "Joseph D. McMahon" <xrjdm@GOV.NASA.GSFC.TWINPEAKS>
>Subject: Re: Need Recommendations on Adding Polyphony
>
>In article <1992Aug12.123141.7977@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, paulb@cbnewsk.cb.att.com
>(paul.l.bidwell) writes:
>>
>> I have a VFXsd that has 21 voice polyphony. I find myself needing to
>> add more polyphony, and I'm looking for some advice as to the most
>> economical way to do so.

>Buying a sound module adds the complexity of having to expand into a MIDI-
>controlled rig of some kind or another. You will at least have to have an
>out line to the module. If the module does not have built-in effects, you
>will probably want to spring for a MicroVerb or similar to add on. You will
>also need some kind of mixer or another, whether integrated (such as in the
>PortaStudio-type recorders) or not (a Mackie, etc.). If you aren't planning
>to grow much beyond this, there are small, quiet mixers under $200. But you'll
>still need one. The big advantage, of course is that you can choose something

No, you don't need a mixer, or certainly not a $200 one. I have a lead
somewhere left over from my pre-mixer days that takes two stereo outputs
and mixes them to one stereo input. I don't know exactly what is in the
"black box" where the two lines meet, but the lead does mix two stereo lines
into one. Unfortunately though, if you use this lead then both sound sources
must be turned on even if you are using only one. Cost me about US$12, just
normal hi-fi lead quality. For quite a while (i.e. until I bought my first
outboard effect) I used just a D10/U110 combination connected to a stereo,
and it worked fine.

Otherwise, a MIDIMAN mixer is (um, US price) about $75 and could mix up to
(um) 4 modules?

Add one MIDI cable, and you're home.

Cheers,

Ross-c
From: ccavers@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Cam Cavers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Microsoft PC/MIDI interface
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 13:23:14 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

cs_s437@ceres (Chris Eborn) writes:

- This weekend somebody told me that microsoft were going to release a
- new all-singing all-dancing PC-MIDI interface Real Soon Now. Something
- to do with their new multi-media stuff.
- Anybody out there know about this? Is it worth waiting for?
-
-
- El Kid-{A Talented Boy}-cs_s437@uk.ac.king****************************
- ******let the dog fornicating with your leg be a lesson-woj***********
- ******A cheval sur une tombe et une naissance difficile.-S.B.*********
-

Are you sure? Microsoft is more or less just a software company; their main
hardware products so far have been mice and trackballs, and they had to buy
Logitech hardware to build those, I believe. Maybe they've got a deal to put
their name on someone else's hardware? Could be...


** Cam Cavers (ccavers@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca)                             **
** Member of B.A.K.A.-Banzai ANIME Klub of Alberta                       **
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