From: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: Marwan GET A LIFE
Reply-To: gross@befvax.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago, Dept of Molecular Genetics
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:13:06 GMT

In article <14680@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, rwstarke@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Ross W. Starkey) writes:
>Leon (144 to a) Gross provided the reference:
>
>CBS news.  Shown on Israeli TV.  Caused quite an outcry among Israelis,
>as this kind of stuff hadn't been shown before, lead to an investigation,
>and reconsideration of Israel's policy dealing with protestors.
>Look at previous posts.  I already commented on this, and someone else said 
>they saw it in an Israeli newspaper.  Marwan probably has done some 
>editorializing, (I don't think the rocks were that big, and the beating
>might have been done by clubs) but this is not made up.
>Marwan and I don't agree on much, and quite often disagree in not
>so pleasant ways  so don't flame me for this.
>(You can check this if you have records of older posts)
>
>Given this my (new) comment is as such:
>
>Don't worry, Leon, my hostility is always reserved for those who earn it.
>All I will say yo you is Thank you for the info.  While I still have question
>as to who broke the story (in other words, who did CBS get the footage from)?
>The imagery seems likely to have been from an Arabic crew, but then again,
>Israeli security did some extremely awful things, and this is not out of the 
>realm of possibility.  I stand by my prior comments on the piece, and pose
>the following questions to Marwan?

I won't speak for Marwan, but CBS filmed it themselves.
I really don't know if Arab camera crews work in the West Bank.  Most
Arab countries do not have relations with Israel, so their reporters
don't operate in Israel or the territories.

I will answer the question, if you don't mind.

>1. The 1st sentence indicates 2 brothers, what happened to the other one, since
>   you only mention brutality against one.

I don't know whether they were brothers or not. I had not heard that.

>2. What did the youth do to warrant his being chased.  Probably, he threw one
>   of those rocks of death at a soldier, or may have even stabbed or shot 
>   someone.  Does the report make any attempt to find out?  if no, then that
>   would indicate 1 sided reporting?

The event happened after a violent demonstration involving rock throwing.
That was reported, and part was filmed.  (The soldiers were chasing them
after the demonstration).  I don't know about stabbings, but a soldier
was wounded by being struck in the head with a rock.  (Blood from the head).

>3. Is the loaded term "Devils" part of the report or merely your anti-semitic
>   editorializing.

The video I saw did not have this kind of narration. 

>In any case, I apologize for calling you a liar, but stand by every other 
>comment.

Marwan still owes a couple of people apologies for calling them liars,
so I'm not sure if he's entitled to yours. 

>-- 
>Ross Starkey                         "Of course you know, this means WAR." 
>rwstarke@vela.acs.oakland.edu        "This whole thing is goony, I shou'da
>                                      stood in bed!"  "Gruesome, isn't it?"
>FIGHT DICTATORSHIP!  VOTE!!!!                                  --Bugs Bunny

Leon Gross
I'm not an actor, but I play on TV.
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