Newsgroups: alt.romance
Subject: Re: Army Boots revisited, then I shut up
From: jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner)
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:32:59 EST
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isar@ac.dal.ca writes:
> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
> > isar@ac.dal.ca writes:
> >>
> >> [munch]
> >> 
> >> Of course we advocate equality;  to achieve that equality in the 
> >> severely biased society we have today, however, we also advocate 
> >> affirmative action, quota systems etc.  
> >> 
> >> [munchmunch]
> >> 
> >> This is why we think that if two candidates for the same 
> >> job/position/school are equally qualified, then the 
> >> woman/minority/disabled person, should definitely be the chosen 
> >> one.  Unfair?  Not if you consider the overall picture...
> > 
> > which is? "WAKE UP YOU MALE FASCIST PIGS! IT'S PAYBACK TIME!"
> > 
>   (vomit)

hmm. at least i got a positive response on that...

> > no thanks. i don't owe you anything. unless i can punish you
> > for the sins of your ancestors don't expect me to take too
> > kindly to being another white male whipping boy for the radical
> > feminist movement.
>
>   oh puhlease...I'd expect this type of argument from a 12 year old.
> This type of "I'm in the world to satisfy myself and I don't give
> a damn about anyone else" is highly symptomatic of a VERY puerile,
> egocentric modus vivendi.

if not wanting to be portrayed as an oppressor just because i've
got different genitals than half the population is symptomatic
of egotism then i am proud to proclaim myself as an egotist.

fortunately, your simple attempts at redefinition don't hold true
in the real world. i -am- an egotist, but not to the exclusion
of others. and i -never- judge based on a silly thing like
gender.

> I hope you grow to appreciate the true complexity  of our social 
> climate and refrain from expectorating  mindless drivel like the 
> gem above.

oh enlighten me, please. what is so complex about our "social
climate" that one sex should be given preferential treatment
over another? have you looked up "discrimination" recently?

> > men and women should not be at war, for any reason. any 
> > suggestions to the contrary will be met with a sad look and, if 
> > pressed, the most disdain i can muster. some of us -do- care 
> > about equality, and we don't feel we have to go overboard on one 
> > side to balance out the past mistakes of the other.
> 
> And who in Hades advocated war between men and women???? Certainly 
> not I, which leads me to deduce we must be in alternate universes. 
> When  you do make it into this dimension, perhaps you can control 
> your  disdain long enough to learn how to read.  If you do care 
> about  equality, help us all achieve it; 

by? again, if it involves preferential treatment that's -not-
equality, merely a turnabout-is-fair-play attitude than any
civilized person should reject.

> paying it lip service may alleviate some dissonance in your 
> apathetic psyche, but it will help no one.  Of course anyone who 
> DARES attribute the current power imbalance to PAST mistakes is 
> probably too far into an accretion disk. May the cosmic dust 
> enlighten you and do tell what's up on the other side of the white 
> hole.

oh, i forgot. the past has nothing to do with anything. and if
i DARE think differently from you i get treated to a lecture
from DISCOVER ragazine? heh.

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`,`,`, "greed & fear" `,`,`,`,`,`,` jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu ,`,`,`