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From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re:  "Fact & Fiction about US soccer"-suggestions?
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 18:10:51 GMT
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In <1992Nov20.153953.27039@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> ramprasa@ecn.purdue.edu writes:

> I read the lead article with a great deal of interest and I have my 2 bits to contribute.
> One problem with every american sport is that they are quantized into many brief periods of action
> Baseball: innings
> Basketball: The scoring of a Basket automatically acts as a comma in a sentence.
> Football: every down is like seperated from the other.
> What I am trying to say is that to watch soccer requires an ability to watch the game with greaater atttention than the other sports. 
> Ice Hockey may provide a clue. The play stops far more seldom than in other games. Of course the miniscule puck as well as the violence may turn people off, but the continuity of the game is also a turn-off to viewers with limited attention spans.
> In an unscientific straw poll among my friend I can say that most Hockey fans aare able to appreciate soccer and vice versa. 
> The techniques of the game are not as easy to pick up too. I am able to enjoy basketball more because I now know what a pick and role is, what setting screens are. I appreciated baseballl better when I got to understand the value of baserunning , the tag-out rules , reason for walking batters etc. 
> If an effort is made to show what the it takes to play good team soccer as opposed to concentrating on Maradona's / Pele's ( 2 of the greatest of the greats)
> then it is possible to see what makes soccer so good. It also serves to enhance the greatness of the two players mentioned and others of similar nature. 
>
Hear, hear! Actually  I am surprised that the "hockey factor" is not more
important in North America than it is. In Finland, Sweden, Czechoslovakia, 
If you look at the NASL, most Canadian cities did have a loyal fan following.
And Minnesota -the hockey capital of America- averaged 30,000 fans twice.
Perhaps the fate of soccer depends on how much success the National Hockey 
League will have in America?! It is kind of ironic that San Jose and Tampa Bay,
two cities where the NASL was successful, were the sites chosen by the NHL for
expansion franchises.
    
> The treatment of soccer as a women's game is most pathetic. methinks that 
><a  game between Scotland and Charlton's boys may well dispel that notion
> 
> 
> 
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From: 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za
Subject: Re: Russians s**t on Liverpool
Organization: Wits University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 14:33:16 RSA

In article <1992Nov18.224013.14307@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>
astro@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Phillip Vyp'ev-Zakusim) writes:
 
>>Spartak won the first game in Moscow 4-2!!!!
>>
>>
>>SPARTAK - CHAMPION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>not quite... Dinamo Kiev can kick their butts anytime.  Too bad all their best  players are overseas, plus they aren't playing in the same league.
 
Who cares as long as Liverpool got kicked up their butts !
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From: thomase@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Thomas Esamie)
Subject: World Youth Cup Draw
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 11:17:22 GMT

	Hey guys, is it just that none of you out there were among the
estimated 4million viewers or is it no-one cares. Then of course it could
be that you left it for me to do, shucks you guys.
	Anyway the Draw for the world youth championships to be held
in Australia in March '93, was carried out on Friday night in Sydney.
Sepp Blatter had help from some locals to do his famous coloured balls trick.
The whole thing was well done without being overstated, and there were
a few nervous moments but a draw ceremony is never going to be a great
event, even with Sepp.

	Group 1 (Held in Sydney and Canberra)

1. Australia
2. Colombia
3. Russia
4. Africa2


	Group 2 (Held in Melbourne)

1. Korea (the southern variety)
2. Eng-er-land (can't get that World Cup song out of my head)
3. Turkey
4. United States (how much are they paying FIFA for this one?)
		 (apologies to the folks in the US but it seems
		  all this development is going real fast, are you
		  guys really this good or is it part of the WC '94 thing)

	Group 3 (Held in Adelaide)

1. Mexico
2. Norway
3. Brazil
4. Saudi Arabia


	Group 4 (Held in Brisbane)

1. Portugal
2. Germany
3. Uruguay
4. Africa1


	First match will be Australia vs Colombia on March 5 at the Sydney
Footbal Stadium. Watch out for me, and the dopey looking fellow next to
me will probably be Tim Hatfield (Hi Tim, just kidding, still buddies ? :-) )

	Just a note about the African teams, they are still to be decided,
if you've been reading my posts you'd know who they are :-) , Africa1 and 2
will be the top two qualifiers. 

	G O  A U S T R A L I A !!!!!

	If that fails let's see a repeat of the '81 cup.


			Thomas the Tank Engine
			aka Algor

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From: bjornar@fdh.hsf.no (Bj|rnar Steinbakken)
Subject: Re: PETER BEARDSLEY & EVERTON
Organization: Finnmark College
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:29:18 GMT
Reply-To: bjornar@fdh.hsf.no

In article 721564480@p4.cs.man.ac.uk, ahmadt@p4.cs.man.ac.uk (Tariq N Ahmad) writes:
>Hi there peeps ,
>	Whilst watching highlights of Wimbledon V Everton last night
>I noticed that almost every attack Everton mounted involved one man-
>Peter Beardsley. 
>	Now admitedly, Kendall is only an average manager but in my
>opinion Beardsley has to be THE BEST BUY HE HAS EVER MADE. 


Agreed!  Actually, I watched that match live  (I can post match report if wanted)
- I have just returned back from a one-week trip to London.
Peter Beardsley was indeed THE outstanding player on the field, with intelligent
runs, not to mention passes,  and a very well taken goal.

Let us hope that the two away wins can bring some confidence in the team.

>If Kendall
>can buy an out-and-out striker (although I feel that Cottee could produce
>the goods if given a long enough run in the team) and a top-quality
>defender, Everton could really go places.

I don't think Cottee is the answer. I think Rideout and Beardsley can develop
a good partnership. Rideout was unlucky not to score against Wimbledon 
(turned beatifully, but hit the post).
I think they are well equipped in defense, but they miss a quality midfielder
(or two). It is not easy to live up to  Reid, Steven, Bracewell, Sheedy standard
midfield.  
Snodin was back vs. Wimbledon, and he showed something of his old stuff.

> Until then, I think they'll
>do well enough in the Cup competitions (will probably get knocked out
>by a lesser team), but their League position will probably be mid-table 
>(as usual).
>
I think your conclusion is right.

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Subject: RE: FA Cup results/scorers
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:33:44 +0000







In Message: <13534@ecs.soton.ac.uk> BBC (EBC) teletext writes (via Tim Chown):

FA Cup results:

>BOSTON          1-1 STALYBRIDGE
>Moss 18             Edwards pen 51
>Cunningham 23
>Howard 46
>Goodwin 89

The ref played a blinder on this one, he must have lost count!

>FARNBOROUGH     1-1 BROMSGROVE
>Leworthy 54         Wardle 87
>Duffield pen 56     Willetts pen 61
>                    Purdie 72

likewise

>NORTHWICH       1-1 WELLING
>Donnelly 3          Butler og 89

All results above were of course not played in the FA Cup but in the
GM Vauxhall Conference. BBC/EBC appear to have gone bonkers and decided to
mix up the scorers from some matches with results from others. See below

>GM Vauxhall Conference:
>
>BOSTON          1-1 STALYBRIDGE
>Moss 18             Edwards pen 51
>
>FARNBOROUGH     1-1 BROMSGROVE
>Leworthy 54         Wardle 87
>
>NORTHWICH       1-1 WELLING
>Donnelly 3          Butler og 89
>
>FA Cup summary
>
>   Rotherham    4-0  Walsall      4,201
>   St Albans    1-2  Cheltenham   3,189
>   Scunthorpe   0-0  Hudd'field * 4,312

These were the missing ones from the FA cup results/scorers page.
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Rangers Match Report
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:28:10 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

Played on Saturday 21st November

Hertz  1  Rangers  1

Baird 62  McCoist 24 (32nd of the season)

Att. 20,831

It must have been the wettest game I've ever stood at. The rain was bad
enough but the snaw was unbearable, and it's only November! With McCall
rested and Gough still out, Trevor Steven returned to get some match practice
in preperation for Marseilles. In a game more suited to ducks, SAlly opened
the scoring after Steven had played a ball through to Gordon on the wing who
crossed first time to the near post and SAlly used his water wings to take
off and score with a diving header, a collectors item. After that Gordon had
gone very close as Rangers dominated and McCoist had the ball in the net
again direct from a free kick, but instead of allowing the goal the ref
chalked it off and booked McCoist for not taking it from the right place!
Right on the stroke of half-time, ba' greedy had a great chance to tie up the
game but his attempted chip trundled into the estate agent's hands. Half-time
was murder as the snaw cam doon and we all were drookit. Hertz equalised with
their only shot on target in the whole game as a corner was flicked on by
Levein for the worst player in Scotland to fall over his own feet and score
with a header with Vidal Sassoon marking no-one. Rangers then had chances to
win the game but it was not to be as the run of eighteen victories came to an
end. This was a very sporting game in atrocious conditions but Rangers must
look on this as a point dropped as Hertz are crap. David Robertson was
outstanding in defence and big Vidal played brilliantly considering he had to
carry John Robertson in his back pocket for ninety minutes. A game best
forgotten and my claes haven't even dried oot yet!

Rangers:  Goram, Stevens, Robertson, McPherson, Brown, Ferguson, Steven,
Gordon, McCoist, Hateley, Huistra (Durrant)

Premier League  (we were there first)
--------------
                 P  Pts
Rangers          17 29
Hertz            18 24
Celtic           18 23
Aiberdeen        16 22
Dundee Utd.      18 20
Partick Thistle  17 19
Hibs             18 16
St. Johnstone    17 14
Dundee           18 12
Falkirk          18 12
Airdrie          18 11
Motherwell       17  8

Next game is in the Champions League on Wednesday against Marseilles at Ibrox
then it's Partick Thistle F.C. at home on Saturday.

Latest attendance at the piggery was 15,979 for the visit of Falkirk who had
a sizeable support. "faithful through and through" - NOT!

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From: mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: re:predictions
Date: 19 Nov 92 11:36:08 +0100
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology


PREDICTIONS...PREDICTIONS...

This weekends matches....

AIRDRIE vs HIBS
CELTIC vs FALKIRK
DUNDEE vs DUNDEE UNITED
HEARTS vs RANGERS
PARTICK vs ABERDEEN
ST.JOHNSTONE vs MOTHERWELL

AIRDRIE vs HIBS
***************

Potentially the least watchable fixture on the card, this match has a nasty
habit of producing tedious, violence ridden draws, with red cards more frequent
than goals. Themost predictable thing about this match is that there will be
plenty of yellow and red cards and some pretty crap football. 
                       Prediction: 0-0

CELTIC vs FALKIRK
*****************

This should be a decent match with Falkirk playing some good stuff up front,
but having a crap defence, and Celtic..erm...having a crap defence and average
strike power up front. There will be a couple of goals and gerry mcnee will be
singing mcstays praises no matter how crap he plays.
                       Prediction: 3-1

DUNDEE vs DUNDEE UNITED
***********************

The least covered derby in scotland (apart from maybe Brechin v Forfar), this
one usually contains the most excitement. This is saturdays match of the day
,but it will get sod all coverage. Maybe if there was some religious hatred and
bigotry a la glasgow, beaten the dee in 5 league games. Dundee willill
repeat their early season win at tannadice with doddsy making a major
contribution. United have injury problems which could be a factor. 
                     Prediction: 1-0

HEARTS vs RANGERS
*****************
This is traditionally a pretty violent match, with a red card here and there
pretty common. Tynecastle will look like a ploughed field as usual and mcCoist
will no doubt score yet again. Hearts think they are title challengers but have
no chance this season, and fans will have to hope Mercer opens the chequebook
and buys some decent players, although this is unlikely. Hearts are playing no'
bad and will get a draw.
                    Prediction: 1-1

PARTICK vs ABERDEEN
*******************
and hopefully bring them crashing down to the end of the table that they belong
Thistle have had a good start to the season, and with the aid of a few dodgy
refs are in the top half of the table. With any luck aberdeen will stuff them
and 
Aberdeen are in good form and will win with ease.
                    Prediction: 0-4                              

ST.JOHNSTONE vs MOTHERWELL
**************************

I'm getting pretty bored now so with Paul Wright playing well, i'll take saints
to murder bottom of the table 'well and send them ever closer to division one.
                        Prediction: 4-1



ST.MIRREN vs KILMARNOCK
**************************

St Mirren are the most skilfuul side in the divisnd sshould dispose of killie
who rely too much on expexperience, ie:has-beens .
                       Predicttion: 3-2                          


don't know who Brechin are playing but they will win 3-1


<<< axel >>>
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Second divisions Internationals
Date: 20 Nov 1992 09:26:33 -0600
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I can't remember any French for the moment, but there are some others playing
in the French second divsion. Most notably:

Michailov, Mulhouse

There are also some Africans, Ben Sala, Traore...etc.

In Germany we have at least Kari Laukanen, the Finnish goalie.

Kent
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From: SALNIMR%knox.bitnet@UICVM.UIC.EDU
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Subject: Re: Developing my son's soccer skills
Date: 19 Nov 1992 23:38:16 -0600
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  The best type of technique in kicking the ball for youngsters is with
the instep (the shoelaces part).  The other foot should be right next to the
ball, head down and the whole body right over the ball.  As for attacking a
forward, he should not committ himself.  Wait for the forward to make the move
and pounce right over him.  It is best to have one foot in front, body facing
somewhat to the side, in order to recover and chase the forward.
  Hope it was helpful.

--Samer Al-Nimr from Knox College
From: cs92aja@cen.ex.ac.uk (A.J.Amsel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Just laughing at England
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:37:36 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK

T`is true - Graham Taylor is not the best manager in England, but whilst he
is there slagging him off will not help. He does seem to make some stupid
decisions though, but he`s not helped by pressure from the press.
And no, he would not be anywhere near first choice for England manager although
I do think he is a good manager. There are just people better qualified than he
is. Give Clough the job - at least he plays decent football and can handle the
press. Not doing to well at forest though ! Mostly because he seems to sell
off his best players.
                  
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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
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Subject: Re: Predictions
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:48:05 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <28352@castle.ed.ac.uk>, eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart) writes:
> Celtic v Falkirk
> 
> In total contrast this could be a candidate for match of the season.
> The Bairns look like the one side in the Premier league who will not
> come to Celtic Park and try to kill the game. They have a refreshingly
> cavalier approach to the game, and they will score goals in this one
> if they can get good enough possession to the likes of Lennox (son of
> Lisbon Lion) and Sloan, who can both open up defences. If McStay and
> Collins aren't off form though, then Celtic ought to be able to pierce
> the Falkirk defence, which is not impressive. 6-3


Who writes this nonsense for you, Gerry ?  Alex Cameron ? Sounds like
his "style".
 
> Hearts v Rangers
> 
> This could be a case of "No football please, we're Huns and Pseudo
> Huns". The one thing guaranteed from this fixture is violence on the
> pitch and this is the worst possible game Rangers could have looked
> for before their match with Marseille. Without the leadership and drive
> of Gough, they could easily struggle against an over physical Hearts
> side. The majority of the Tynecastle clashes often sees only one goal
> between the sides and I'll go along with this scenario again. 1-0
> 

Probably is the worst preparation for the Marseille game against the cluggers.
Gough -- still managed to beat Celtic with him off injured.

>              Gerry   <=====  Stewart or McNee ?
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From: Juergen.Schaepker@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Juergen Schaepker)
Subject: German 2.Bundesliga round 21
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 19:19:06 GMT

Hi !

The results of the 2nd Bundesliga from round 21:

Duisburg        - Hertha BSC      2:1
Carl Zeiss Jena - Leipzig         0:1
Stuttg. Kickers - Duesseldorf     2:0
SV Meppen       - FC St.Pauli     2:0  (yeah !)
Mainz 05        - Darmstadt 98    0:1
Mannheim        - Braunschweig    3:1
Remscheid       - Wuppertaler SV  1:1
Wolfsburg       - Unterhaching    4:1
SC Freiburg     - Hansa Rostock   2:1
Oldenburg       - Osnabrueck      2:3
Chemnitzer FC   - Fort. Koeln     1:0
Hannover 96     - FC Homburg      1:1

Table
-----
		    Goals    Points

1.  SC Freiburg     46:23    32-10
2.  MSV Duisburg    32:17    29-13
3.  VfB Leipzig     31:22    28-14
----------------------------------
4.  Fortuna Koeln   28:11    27-15
5.  Hansa Rostock   31:18    26-16
6.  Waldh. Mannheim 29:25    26-16
7.  SV Meppen       18:17    25-17
8.  Hannover 96     34:32    23-19
9.  VfL Osnabrueck  32:28    22-20
10. Carl Z. Jena    30:27    22-20
11. Mainz 05        27:25    22-20
12. Wuppertaler SV  29:21    21-21
13. FC Homburg      28:29    21-21
14. Chemnitzer FC   23:26    20-22
15. VfL Wolfsburg   35:39    19-23
16. VfB Oldenburg   29:40    18-24
17. FC St.Pauli     22:27    17-25
----------------------------------
18. Stuttg. Kickers 24:30    17-25
19. Hertha BSC      29:32    16-26
20. Darmstadt 98    21:34    16-26
21. Braunschweig    34:46    16-26
22. FC Remscheid    24:38    16-26
23. Unterhaching    27:40    14-28
24. Duesseldorf     18:33    12-30


To be played Nov.20-22
Duesseldorf     - SC Freiburg
Unterhaching    - Chemnitz
Wuppertal       - Carl Zeiss Jena
Rostock         - Wolfsburg
Fort. Koeln     - Remscheid
Braunschweig    - Mainz 05
Darmstadt 98    - Duisburg
Hertha BSC      - SV Meppen
FC St.Pauli     - FC Homburg
Oldenburg       - Hannover 96
Osnabrueck      - Stuttg. Kickers
Leipzig         - Mannheim


Scorers:
Aden (Braunschweig)      16 (9 ! goals in last four games)
Reich (Wolfsburg)        13
Hubner (Homburg)         12
Drulak (Oldenburg)       12
Preetz (Duisburg)        12
Hobsch (Leipzig)         12
Meinke (Osnabrueck)      11
Gries (Hertha BSC)       10
Toennies (Wuppertal)      9
Akpoborie (Jena)          9
Frackiewicz (Wolfsburg)   9
Jurgeleit (Homburg)       8
Rraklli (Freiburg)        7
Thoben (SV Meppen)        7
Proepper (Remscheid)      7

BTW if you want my (occasional) postings via E-mail, just drop me a note.

Bye

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