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From: sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed)
Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.railroad,rec.models.rc,rec.models.rockets,news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.models.scale
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:49:30 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Jul29.182733.15633@mksol.dseg.ti.com> sdejour@mksol.dseg.ti.com (stewart l dejournett) writes:
>I am wondering why you need a seperate group to discuss scale matters, so
>far I have seen little or no discussion on it in this forum and if it was
>there and I was not interested I could just skip it.

I assume that by "this forum" you mean rec.models.rc. The reason the traffic
doesn't exist in that group is because it is in alt.models. This is a move to
bring alt.models into the Usenet hierarchy.

I suppose scale (i.e. small-scale static models) traffic could co-exist in
rec.models.rc, just like rocket and model railroad traffic could. However the
name of the group implies "radio control" i.e. remotely controlled functional
models.

-s
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Organization: Rohm and Haas Company
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:03:59 EDT
From: <RBPXEW@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: alt.models
Subject:    wanted

Looking for models of Dick Landy pro stock challenger,Motown missile challenger
,Groetheir cuda etc. Please help!
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From: grenier@nunki.usc.edu (Adrian Grenier)
Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.railroad,rec.models.rc,rec.models.rockets,news.groups
Subject: Re: Verlinden Question
Date: 31 Jul 1992 11:39:23 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: nunki.usc.edu

Recently I bought the Verlinden catalog from my local model store and I 
found a bunch of items that I want but my store didn't have. There is no
ordering info in the catalog, just an address in Belgium. 

Does anyone know how to order stuff straight from the company. I don't want to
go through my model store because I don't wanna pay the mark up because I 
want a lot of stuff. Does anyone have any suggestions????
			Thanks in advance,
					Adrian

BTW: isn't it wierd that a company from Holland makes parts and figures for 
     tanks of an army that rolled through its villages 50 years ago.
     Just a thought.
Newsgroups: alt.models
From: thorn@phoenix.radonc.unc.edu (Jesse Thorn)
Subject: Re: Snow diaramas: Armored vehicles
Organization: Radiation Oncology, NCMH/UNC, Chapel Hill, NC
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:14:56 GMT

In article <l6rdhtINN7bj@nunki.usc.edu> grenier@nunki.usc.edu (Adrian Grenier) writes:

>Also if anyone has info on where I can get detailed machin guns (MG34 and 
>MG40 I think) I would appreciate it. The Verlinden catalog has only 
>American mg's.


I like the mgs in Tamiya's German Weapon's set. Also check out the brass mgs
from Cal-Scale. These are nice.

--Jesse
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From: wildstar@moeng2.minc.umd.edu (Derek Wildstar)
Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.railroad,rec.models.rc,rec.models.rockets,news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.models.scale
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:21:09 GMT
Organization: Morgan State U. / Sch. of Engineering, Baltimore, MD

thorn@phoenix.radonc.unc.edu (Jesse Thorn) writes:
>If I see any more discussion on what the group should be named I'll
>just puke on my keyboard. What does it matter? Have you folks ever
>read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"?. In the book Pirsig
>spends a lot of time differentiating between people who are more
>concerned with the form/style of things and people who care more about
>the utility/function of things. Is the name of the group more
>important than the content? It is more important to get it in the rec
>hierarchy than to get the appropriate name! Stop it!
>
Unfortunately, on the net, quite frequently the name of a newsgroup also
serves as its definition.  Most people (at least in the future) will
subscribe and even post to the group based only on its name.  They will
not read the charter; they will not read the FAQ, they will not read the
administrivia.  Just the name.  This is a case where the name, to a
large degree, does determine the content.

Yes, it is more important to get this group on the rec.models hierarchy
than it is to quibble over the name, but it is important to get it named
right.  Or else we get to do this whole thing over again at some point
in the future.  I will certainly vote *FOR* the group, no matter what it
winds up being called.
-- 

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From: zork@trog.Eng.Sun.COM (Erich Selna - zork@trog for you old Sun culture fokes)
Newsgroups: alt.models
Subject: Re: Painting a large figure model
Date: 27 Jul 1992 16:38:57 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: na
Reply-To: zork@trog.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: trog


	Another reference is the last few issuws of a mag called: _Military Modeling_
	from the UK. MM has an on going article on beginning oil painting for 
	figure and such...you should check it out. The articles started with the
	Jan. '92 issue...
				zork


Newsgroups: alt.models
From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Subject: Re: filling in gaps
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:53:00 GMT

In article <urf.711702335@sluss>, urf@icl.se writes...
>Nowadays, I tend to stay away from stuff like Squadron's Green
>Putty, as it tends to sink when it dries, and in the long term
>it's sometimes gotten unstuck from the plastic (OK, maybe was 
>too dry to begin with.) I've heard _rumours_ that it also affects
>paints in the very long run.

About six years ago, I patched a half inch dent in my car with green putty
and to this day, the filling is still in place.  I also use the "green stuff"
on my R/C scale ships whose hulls are made of high impact styrene or ABS
resin and have noticed no deterioration of the hull nor any negative impact
on the paint even though these vessels are continuely handled.  I admit that
the moistness of the putty varies from tube to tube.  Some are very moist
and workable while others are very "dry."  I recommend checking the putty
before purchasing at your local hobby store.

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu  
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From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.railroad,rec.models.rc,rec.models.rockets,news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.models.scale
Date: 30 Jul 1992 22:06:12 GMT
Followup-To: alt.models

In article <17023@ulysses.att.com>, smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
> Why not just call it rec.models?

Because the current 'methodology' of the net is that when a group becomes a
hierarchy, then there MUST be a .misc group. I have always preferred the idea
of creating sub-groups from the parent. Thus I prefer your idea of creating
a rec.models. I believe it is cleaner and makes the entire hierarchy less prone
to splits [from the idea that someone's pet subject is less 'important' because
it is in the misc group rather than a group of its own.] 

Bear in mind, that, in spite of the posted views of one person, the selection 
of a name is important, especially when you are proposing to move the group
into USENET from alt. 

What I would really like to see is the creation of either rec.models or
rec.models.misc and if you really think that there is enough traffic already
to justify rec.models.scale, then create it as well. 

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.railroad,rec.models.rc,rec.models.rockets
From: st1ec@rosie.uh.edu (Tse, Oliver)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.models.scale
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:35:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.210351.1440@advtech.uswest.com>, rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray) writes...
>The reason this discussion was cross-posted to begin with was because there are
>people in those groups who are also interested in exact replication. Especially
>rec.models.railroad, but also in .rc and .rockets. But the proposal is there
>because this subject matter is not really within the sphere of those groups.
> 
>Randy
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>I'd rather talk religion with Charles Manson than discuss ethics with Congress.
>     -me                                                   Phone: (303)595-2852
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I completely agree.  I specialize in R/C scale ships so the information(ie.
techniques, kits, etc.) I obtain from alt.models is vital.  Not many R/C
airplane and car modelers know much about weathering, painting figurines, etc.
I like rec.models.scale just fine!

Oliver
st1ec@rosie.uh.edu

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From: wildstar@moeng2.minc.umd.edu (Derek Wildstar)
Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.railroad,rec.models.rc,rec.models.rockets,news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.models.scale
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:42:43 GMT
Organization: Morgan State U. / Sch. of Engineering, Baltimore, MD

zaphod@madnix.uucp (Ron Bean) writes:
>   How about rec.models.building. This would cover all types of
>materials and techniques, but would obviously exclude control
>systems and powerplants, which I think was the original intent.
> 

Hear!  Hear!  I think Ron has come up with the right name for the group!

Now, let's stop quibbling about the name, and get on with the process!

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Newsgroups: alt.models
From: jhargiss@netcom.com (Jeffrey D. Hargiss)
Subject: Re: Yet another airbrush question
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 23:37:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

1) MOST IMPORTANT!!!
   MIX the paint COMPLETELY BEFORE you thin it down to spray!
   (I mix the paint in the jar, then pour a small amount into the brush jar.
    THEN I thin it down, mixing completely again!)
 
   This will get rid of a lot of your symptoms.
 
2) Have you tried acrylics?  I like them better than oils.  I have done oils
   since @1972.  Acrylics are a lot more forgiving (and don't smell as much).

Hope this helps.

BTW:  wider path = wider tip
      you can also spray from a little farther away. (notice I said a LITTLE).

Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.railroad,rec.models.rc,rec.models.rockets,news.groups
From: yves@speedy.dev.cdx.mot.com (Yves Vidal)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.models.scale
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, Massachusetts
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:54:49 GMT

In article <ceRQsFC00WB3Ab_V8W@andrew.cmu.edu> Denise Pullen <dp2r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.rec.models.railroad: 28-Jul-92 RFD:
>rec.models.scale by Randy J. Ray@lookout.it. 
>
>
>>                   Proposed Charter for rec.models.scale
>
>
>I vote a hearty "aye" for this proposal. Anything that advances our
>hobby through interaction is positive. I encourage everyone else to vote
>in favor of this proposal and show active support. Thanks.

I agree as well, it looks like an excellent idea. Let's start it NOW !
Yves
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From: pshyvers@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Peter Shyvers)
Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.railroad,rec.models.rc,rec.models.rockets
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.models.scale
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:36:16 GMT
Reply-To: pshyvers@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Peter Shyvers)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

A lot's been said on the (de)merits of creating the group rec.models.scale,
but allow me to put in MY .02/worth:

The groups rec.models.rc, rec.models.railroad, etc. are *subject*-specific,
at least by name. On closer examination, I would suspect, one would find
lots of *technique* discussed which is applicable to all forms of modelling.

The discussions in alt.models, thankfully, are a mixture of subject, style,
and technique. We have cars/planes/AFV's/trucks/rockets/fantasy/sci-fi; we
have style (scale, phantoms, non-scale, quasi-functional); and we have
*buckets* of technique - airbrushing/painting, bonding, assembly, etc. Small
wonder we have a problem coming up with a title (other than rec.models) into
which everything will fit.

Frankly, I don't care *what* it's called, as long as (1) people can continue
to post; (2) "circulation" goes up; (3) a variety of interests are catered to.




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From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Newsgroups: alt.models,rec.models.railroad,rec.models.rc,rec.models.rockets,news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.models.scale
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:58:34 GMT
Organization: US WEST Communications, Inc. -- Denver, CO

In article <urf.712427274@sw2001>, urf@ki.icl.se (Urban F) writes:
> rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller) writes:
> 
> >Actually, since most models are by definition 'scale', I would proposed instead
> >to filll the hole in the rec.models hierarchy and go ahead and propose 
> 
> >	rec.models.misc 
> 
> Makes sense to me. But as most of the traffic on alt.models seem to
> be about static plastic models, we should also have a
> 
>       rec.models.plastic
> 
> rec.models.scale would leave those who model for example flat lead
> figures without a place, wouldn't it?

That is more an argument in favor of rec.models.misc. I don't see a need for
rec.models.plastic in addition to the proposed group. There is not enough 
traffic for two new groups. There is enough traffic, I feel, to make the change
from the alt distribution to the normal Usenet rec distribution.

Randy
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Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: zrahd01@sunap1.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Daniel Haenle)
Subject: Booyaa-Tribe
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:06:04 GMT

Hey there !

Does anyone know something about a new album of Booyaa-Tribe ?
"New funky nation" is my favourite album.

Daniel

Newsgroups: alt.rap,alt.thrash,rec.music.industrial
From: trector@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Travis Rector)
Subject: Re: Police seek to Ban Ice-T Performing In New Zealand
Keywords: Ice-T
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Tucson Az.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:16:10 GMT

Did anyone notice Geffen's comments in the paper?  He commented that record
companies have to be "more responsible" about what music they release.  He
then went on to compare releasing "offensive" music to selling cocaine!  Did
anyone else see this bullshit?  Please no flames if I'm wrong, but isn't
Guns'n'Roses signed under Geffen records?

"Hand of Doom"
From: ckukkone@jarthur.claremont.edu (CK3)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Lip Service
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:01:06 GMT
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711


Anybody ever watch MTV's show Lip Service?  I've seen De La Soul,
D-Nice, Spinderella, and Monie Love as judges....what's up with
that?

CK3
Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: damir@wpi.WPI.EDU (MR. Boy)
Subject: Re: Hip Hop Bands
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<1992Jul20.173117.2718@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:47:59 GMT

>>>>> On Mon, 20 Jul 1992 17:31:17 GMT, muzik@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (joseph.t.maggelet) said:

muzik> I saw The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy two weeks ago and I
muzik> was really impressed. If you get a chance, see them. Check out
muzik> the guitar/bass player on "Music and Politics", he smokes!


	i second that motion!  if you get the chance GO SEE them!!
one of the BEST shows (rap, or otherwise) i've ever seen.
(sparks aflyin' (like on the album cover) and sheet metal abangin')


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Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: dc@ais.org (David Daniels)
Subject: Ice Cube ? Anyone know when his next tape will be out? 
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:10:21 GMT



Subject pretty much says it.  Is Ice-Cube planning on releasing a new tape
anytime soon?  If you know anything about something like that please send me
some mail!  Later on guys, Pease out. :) 

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Newsgroups: alt.rap
From: dander@mksol.dseg.ti.com (david m anderson)
Subject: 411 
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:25:15 GMT

Once again I have quesions so to get the answers I come to y'all
out there.  

1. What has happened to LL Cool J?  Does anybody know if he is
   currently working on something?

2. Anymore news on Kool G Rap will be appreciated.

3. What is up with De La Soul?

Thanx y'all!!!
And I'm out.......


DAVe
  


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From: jwilson@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rap,alt.thrash,rec.music.industrial
Subject: Re: Police seek to Ban Ice-T Performing In New Zealand
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:24:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.003134.22372@peponi.wcc.govt.nz>, meachen@med.wcc.govt.nz writes:
> Police are seeking to ban singer Ice T from performing in Auckland, 
> New Zealand. Police commissoner John Jamieson has referred the album Body
> Count to the Indecent Publications Tribunal and information is awaited
> from the United States Police of the backgrounds of people going to
> perform in Auckland. Mr Jamieson has objected to lyrics in the album,
> especially those in the song Cop Killer, which advocates killing police.
> 
> Rock critic Colin Hogg says Ice T was role-playing in the song and that
> New Zealand teenagers would not realise that this was an insult to their
> intelligence. Ice T had played a New York Policeman fighting the drug
> world in the film "New Jack City". "Ice T performed here a couple of 
> years ago and I don't recall the city burning" Hogg said.
> 
> Jerry Levin of Time Warner the record distrubutors, said Cop Killer
> was not written to incite blacks to attack police but potrayed how
> such a person might feel. "Its a song about how one of those kids
> reacts in the wake of the well-known incidents in which a small number
> of police have used excessive force", he said.
> 
> Radio Active DJ's have started a petition againest a possible concert
> ban.
> 
> Ice T is performing as a guest of Public Enemy on Aug 11th in the Auckland
> Town Hall. Concert perfomer sqaid Ice-T would not perform any of the songs
> from the album Body Count, such as Cop Killer.
> 
> Mr Jamieson who is concerned the concert may incite crime said: "If Ice-T
> is not using Cop Killer and the other violent material from the album 
> then my concerns hav abated but not entirely disappeared, particularly
> when the advertisment for the concert includes the silhouette of a 
> police officer in the sights of a rifle.
 
*
Hip-hopper or cop in the crosshairs?  Why did no one notice PE's insignia
before?  Or are you talking about a different silhoutte.?


==Phyz

> 
> --
> Red
> 
> In the STATES they've set up a deprogramming centre where you can take
> your derranged punk child or metal kid. And how you deal with it when
> they start getting posters or acting strange. If you start listening
> to this music they've got centres where they take you to get deprogrammed.
> That'll happen in New Zealand you know.
> 
> Brett (skinhead) Toxic Avengers, New Plymouth.
> 
>
From: me_f316@ceres (+-=NUBIAN=-+)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Re: THE LOW END THEORY
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:32:55 GMT
Organization: Your Girlfriend's Bedside
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

armd@vccnortha.its.rpi.edu (Cap'n Tripps) writes:
: Can sombody please pst the lyrics for this album??? PLEASE??????

Sure

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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david j warner)
Newsgroups: alt.rap
Subject: Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:27:45 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Jul21.080148.2837@memstvx1.memst.edu> mcsnewton@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>In article <fP#zo6y@quack.sac.ca.us>, pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey) writes:
>> I reminisce, I reminisce, -ugh!
>
>I LOVE this joint!!!  How's the rest of the album, CD, or whatever??
>
>	**Tundrea**

"Mecca and the Soul Brother" is DOPE!  I listened to it in the store before I
got it, and I'm still listening to it.  What surprised me the most about the CD
though is that it doesn't contain the two bonus tracks on the tape (the remixes
to "The Creator" and "Mecca and the Soul Brother").  Since "Creator" is one of
my favorites, I got the tape.

Neither the tape nor the CD are cheap because of the number of songs (16 + the
two bonus cuts), so you're best off to play like Smokey and shop around.

And I'm out like Perot...


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