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From: stella@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Stella Vertnik)
Subject: MINNESOTA NATURISTS WINTER 92-93 CO CALENDAR
Organization: U of MN Herbarium
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:37:55 GMT


WINTER 1992-93 CLOTHING-OPTIONAL CALENDAR
                  MINNESOTA NATURISTS

Kids are admitted FREE at all activities.

**Tentative.

Sunday, November 15 - INDOOR SWIM in Eagan.  6-10 PM.  $5 at the
door.  Fins, masks, snorkels, pool toys provided.  "Discover
SCUBA" option at 9 PM.  Bring a towel.

Thursday, November 19 - THANKSGIVING POTLUCK DINNER in SE
Mpls.  7 PM.  Call to sign up for table item.  Bring a towel to sit on.

Sunday, December 6 - VOLLEYBALL afternoon in S. Mpls.
6:45-8:45 PM  $3 at the door.

**Thursday evenings throughout the winter - VOLLEYBALL in S. Mpls.
More details later.

Saturday, December 12 - INDOOR SWIM in Eagan.  6-10 PM.  $5 at the
door.  Fins, masks, snorkels, pool toys provided.  "Discover
SCUBA" option at 9 PM.  Bring a towel.

Saturday, December 19 - WINTER SOLSTICE CELEBRATION in S. Mpls.
Celebrate the season the nude way.  Cost will be $3 at the door.
Bring a towel and beverages.

Sunday, January 10 - INDOOR HOTTUB PARTY in Hopkins.  8-10 PM.
$8 at the door.  No glass containers or alcohol.  Bring a towel.

Saturday, January 16 - MIXED PAIRS OUTDOOR HOTTUB PARTY in SE
Mpls.  4 PM - ?.  $4 per adult.  BYOB and a towel.  Snacks provided.

**Mid-January - DISCUSSION GROUP in St. Paul - details forthcoming.

Sunday, January 24 - INDOOR SWIM in Eagan.  6-10 PM.  $5 at the
door.  Fins, masks, snorkels, pool toys provided.  "Discover
SCUBA" option at 9 PM.  Bring a towel.

Sunday, January 31 - FITNESS CENTER RECREATION in NE Mpls.
2-5 PM.  $6 at the door.  Court games, exercise equipment, jacuzzis,
tanning.  Bring a towel.

         -- VISITORS WELCOME AT ALL ACTIVITIES --


-- For further details, call John at (612) 339-3898 or 
Pam at (612) 333-0949.

E-mail to farquhar_allen_b@lilly.com.

This applies to Mixed Pairs SIG events only (as noted above):
Any member or guest may attend - but they must be 
accompanied by a MOTOS, insuring an even gender ratio.  The 
person could be a friend, brother, sister, daughter, son, parent, 
partner, spouse, etc.

All other events:
Any member or guest may attend.
From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Help Preserve Civil Rights in Colorado
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:06:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: calmasd.5238
Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA

In article <jburton.07qp@sempco.UUCP> jburton@sempco.UUCP (Jerry Burton) writes:
>Sorry Gina No can do. If a person is gay that is there privlage not a right.
>A gay person is not a different human than the rest of us. I do not beleive in
>gay rights any more than I do in white rights. 

	What about black rights?  Or are you against all government-controlled
equal rights protection?  I respect that, just say so explicitly.  

>So they deserve no more rights anyone else. Next It will be the Brunettes 
>or men with beards or blondes that will deserve rights..

	What is it that makes you think it's about special rights?
Just reread Gina's article substituting "black" or "female" for "gay" and
you'll get the idea.  Of course if you think equal opportunity is special
rights than I understand your point.

	"The law of our land in its great wisdom allows equally both the reach
and the poor to sleep under the bridges."

	Jan Bielawski
	Computervision, San Diego
	jpb@calmasd.prime.com
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From: noid@nick.csh.rit.edu (i live in the dark)
Subject: Re: Chrisitan nudes
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:58:36 GMT

In article <1drankINNfn8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.) writes:
>
>  BTW, why are there
>two creation stories in Genesis?
>
>Shalom
>
>*Pooh Bare
>

because god didn't get it right the first time?     :)


-simply noid


From: adamb@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Adam Barnett)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:27:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Driving without shoes
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.nude

	I hate to put a damper on this particular "Urban Legend,"
	but the fact of the matter is that it is illegal to drive
	without shoes in the state of Arizona.  If you have ever
	been in Arizona, you would understand why:  the brake and
	accelerator pedals usually have extremely high surface 
	temperatures, and in an emergency, one might find it nearly
	impossible to touch them with a bare foot...the natural human
	response to severe skin burn is to pull away, not something
	you would want to do if you needed to brake to stop an accident
	from happening.
From: noid@nick.csh.rit.edu (i live in the dark)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Chrisitan nudes
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:49:32 GMT
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT

In article <ka83192@pro-harold.cts.com> leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick) writes:
>>To those who keep quoting Genesis,
>please remember that this story addresses a man and his wife, not the
>general public<
>
>How do we know Adam and Eve were married. I can't find my bible so can't
>check out the text. Or course it's all open to interpetation.
>-----
>Lee Dronick

there was no actual ceremony if i remember correct.   at the moment of her
	creation she was GIVEN to adam.   hence the symbolic marriage and
	the "obey" that used to be in the vows for women.  thank the gods
	the took that out.   

-simply noid



gave her to him   <sheesh>
From: alumni106@camins.camosun.bc.ca (Max Sterling)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Help Preserve Civil Rights in Colorado
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:08:09 GMT
Organization: Camosun College

In article <jburton.07qp@sempco.UUCP>, jburton@sempco.UUCP (Jerry Burton) writes:
> In article <1992Nov7.065556.26635@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>,

> Sorry Gina No can do. If a person is gay that is there privlage not a right.

Incorrect. People's sexual preferences have to do with genetics, not 
free choice. Homo/bisexual people don't CHOOSE to be that way any more 
than you choose to be heterosexual.

> A gay person is not a different human than the rest of us. I do not beleive in
> gay rights any more than I do in white rights. If I was GAY how could I expect
> anything different than anyone else if i cannot meet the criteria? What gives a
> gay the right to be distingushed from me ? Nothing! they are not a different
> breed of people? they are not from another country. So they deserve no
> different rights than anyone else. Next It will be the Brunettes or men with
> beards or blondes that will deserve rights..

Which is the point that Gina was trying to make in the original message. 
The way I interpreted it, at least, was that the Colorado government was 
attempting to remove some of the fundamental individual rights of 
homo/bisexual people. That's obviously discrimination against a group of 
people based purely on their sexual preferences. They're no different 
from anyone else except for being attracted to their own sex or both 
sexes, and therefore should be treated as equal to everyone. It wasn't 
something that they chose for themselves. Even if they did, it's not 
something they should be condemned for, any more than someone should be 
condemned for eating Corn Flakes instead of porridge every morning. If I 
interpreted her message correctly, then she has every right to be pissed 
off, and I wish her and all her supporters the best of luck. Mata ne.

                                               -=]> Max <[=-

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From: jimc@megatek.com (Jim Campbell)
Subject: Re: Newest Nudist ;-) ;-)
Reply-To: jimc@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:39:25 GMT

In article <1dq7q0INN9h8@BEECH.THEORY.CS.YALE.EDU> beigel-richard@cs.yale.edu (Richard Beigel) writes:
>
>
>Phillip Millman writes:
>>On Oct 24, 1992 at 2:56 am, Bluma Sarah Millman came into this world
>>naked as me at Black's Beach.
>
>It's just this sort of activity that gives nudism a bad name.  I think
>that giving birth on the beach is very irresponsible.  More offensive
>than conceiving on the beach.  How dare you!
>
>:-)
>-- 

Not to mention that MOST males DON'T give birth! They leave that up to a
female!!! :^)


-- 
Jim Campbell			|	"Remember to tweet!"
jimc@megatek.com		|	After a while, it will be even
WB6ZPB				|	later than it is right now.
From: gerald.belton@ozonehole.new-orleans.la.us (Gerald Belton) 
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Agreements when modeling
Date: 6 Nov 92 09:31:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Ozone Hole BBS - New Orleans, LA - (504)891-3142 16800 Baud
Reply-To: gerald.belton@ozonehole.new-orleans.la.us (Gerald Belton) 

MF>In our campus newspaper, there are often "wanted" ads from art students
MF>seeking models for nude photo studies.  I haven't done something like
MF>this before, but I don't really have any qualms about it, as long as
MF>there is an understanding with the photographer on appropriate use
MF>of the images.

Mark,

As a former photography student I can tell you that the standard model
release gives the photographer unlimited rights to the photographs.  If
you aren't willing to sign the standard release, the photographer
probably won't want to bother with you.

I still wouldn't hesitate to pose for artistic, graceful photos.  Just
don't do anything you wouldn't want to see splashed on the front of the
Enquirer if you ever decide to run for President <Grynne>.

---
 . SLMR 2.1 . Eschew Obfuscation
                                                                                          
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From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Chrisitan nudes
Date: 11 Nov 1992 16:00:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick) says:
>
>How do we know Adam and Eve were married. I can't find my bible so can't
>check out the text. Or course it's all open to interpetation.

Technically or perhaps legally speaking, Adam and Eve could not have 
been married since you need a priest/rabbi/minister/justice-of-the-
peace/etc. to be married.  

Spiritually speaking, they might have been married.

This is assuming that two people, a male called Adam and a female 
called Eve actually existed, rather than being just a mythical 
creation story written long after the book about the history of a
people/culture it is attached to was written.  BTW, why are there
two creation stories in Genesis?

Shalom

*Pooh Bare



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From: cookav@catipult.anatcp.rockwell.com
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Christian Nudes
Date: 10 Nov 1992 14:36:01 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

gchatham@cats.ucsc.edu (Gregory Chatham) said:

>The final word:
>    IMO: It would be better if nudists didn't reveal themselves
>    quite so fully to those who may sin because of it.

Gibberish.

It completely obliterates the doctrine of free agency if one would restrict
their behaviour in order to assist another in not having the opportunity to
sin.  If life on this earth is to be a true test, then one must be in the
world, and choose not to be of the world.  If I cannot sin, because there
was no chance to sin, would the Lord then joyfully welcome me into the
Kingdon of God?  Of course not, for He can see what is in my heart, and
knows that I sin if given the chance.

The gawkers are responsible for their own sins.  Jesus and I will work
out my responsibility for mine.

Thanks for your postings, and please don't stop just because I disagree
with you.

Regards,
____________________________-:!:-____________________________________
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From: brahm@cco.caltech.edu (David E. Brahm)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Berkeley's Naked Guy
Date: 13 Nov 1992 20:03:43 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu
Summary: Rosebud Mary

valentin@netcom.com (Valentin Pepelea) wrote:
> But Chairman Mao, oops, Chairman Tien of the People's Republic of Bezerkley
> decided to ban nudity on his campus. After his adventures with Rosebud Mary
> you'd think he learned not to take reactionary measures against the will of
> the people.

v024971@plato.lsvl8.stortek.com (Robert J. Waddell) then asked:
> Who is _Rosebud Mary_? I would be interested in hearing the story.

Some Midwestern girl who came to Berkeley with a Mission (which I forget),
changing her name to Rosebud in the process.  One day she broke into the
Chancellor's house while he was there, setting off the silent alarm.  The
police called Chancellor Tien and eventually got him out of there, while
Rosebud holed up in a bathroom with her machete.  When the police found
her, she attacked with the machete, and the cops shot her dead.  Naturally,
there were protests over the next few days over the police mistreatment of
Rosebud.  All this coincided with the start of classes (this year),
providing an interesting introduction to Berkeley for the frosh.

ObNude: Caltech has turned down my request for CO hours at the pool.

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A loose affiliation of millionaires and    |  (brahm@cco.caltech.edu)
  billionaires and Baby ...                |---- Carpe Post Meridiem! --
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From: tmd@austin.lockheed.com (Tom Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: The shocking 1930s
Keywords: France, nudism
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:01:45 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Austin Division, 6800 Burleson Rd, Austin, TX 78744

In article <1992Nov3.165947.21823@dxcern.cern.ch> paul@ecpdstea.cern.ch
(Paul Burkimsher) writes:

>Paris, Thursday: Considerable interest and controversy has been
>aroused by the announcement that a film showing the activities of a
>"nudist" colony will shortly be exhibited in a Paris cinema. The
>exhibition has been arranged by the colonists themselves and protests
>are expected.

Not surprising; last spring there was a huge fair at the Paris city
exhibition center, with exhibitors from all over the world (great
event!). But the FFN (Federation Francaise du Naturisme) had a booth
there with videos being run, literature being passed out, poster-sized
pictures, etc. -- all with the kind of nudity you'd expect at a naturist
exhibit.

Two things interested me: that the constabulary weren't the least bit
concerned, and that the booth was no more crowded than, say, the lawn
tractor booth down the way. Says a lot for the differences between
their culture and ours. [Or is "our culture" an oxymoron? :-)]

-- 
   Tom Davis                    Internet address: tmd@austin.lockheed.com
	"Imagine there's no countries; it isn't hard to do;
	 Nothing to kill or die for, and no religion, too."
   [Disclaimer: I speak for nobody but me - and sometimes not even that.]
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From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Re: Newest Nudist ;-) ;-)
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:21:40 GMT

Congratulations on the birth of your new baby!
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
If convicted felons can't own firearms, then why in Hell
do we let GE make nuclear weapons?
From: millman@indigo.bear.com (Phillip Millman)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Newest Nudist ;-) ;-)
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:36:14 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Richard Beigel (beigel-richard@cs.yale.edu) wrote:
: 
: 
: Phillip Millman writes:
: >On Oct 24, 1992 at 2:56 am, Bluma Sarah Millman came into this world
: >naked as me at Black's Beach.
: 
: It's just this sort of activity that gives nudism a bad name.  I think
: that giving birth on the beach is very irresponsible.  More offensive
: than conceiving on the beach.  How dare you!
: 
: :-)
Geez, I blow the grammar and everybody is on my case!  To be honest,
My wife DID go to Black's when she was 7 months pregnant.  I wonder
if that affect Bluma?

BTW have you ever tried to be coherent after spending many nights without
sleep?? ;-)


--
Phillip Millman					millman@bear.com
The opinions expressed are those of Phillip Millman and not that of 
Bear Stearns & Co. Inc.  I think it is better that way.
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From: nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca (Nigel M Burnett)
Subject: cultural bias towards nudity
Organization: as little as possible
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:33:02 GMT


Someone was researching nudity concerns/biases for a paper and posted
here recently.  I have travelled for a few months in SE Asia and have
some photographs of nude people (posed - not taken secretly).  Several
are of kids swimming in the river that runs through Bangkok, others
are from many places.  These are serious copy-righted images but I will
gladly make them available at cost for somebody doing research.

Please e-mail me (check the path in the .sig) for more details.

Cheers
N.

-- 
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Send e-mail to nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca or try uunet.ca!kink!kathunk!nigel
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From: kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza)
Subject: Nudism in surrey, England
Organization: Specialix International, London
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:04:33 GMT

Hi!
	My wife and I used to hang-out at red-rock near SanFransisco
	till we came back to England. Anybody know of any places
	or social groups in south-east England ? I know about 
	Brighton beach - but it's not the kind of family atposphere
	we're looking for. If anybody can help - please post it as
	there may be others in this part of the world in the same situation.

	Regards
	kamal

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From: ddvorak@zeus.calpoly.edu (David M. Dvorak)
Subject: Re: Art Modelling
Keywords: nude art modelling photography drawing
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 03:59:33 GMT

Nude modelling sounds interesting, but I would be embarassed to do it.
One stray thought might cause a hard on or at least soft on.  Has any
man had this problem before, in front of a class?

ddvorak@demeter.calpoly.edu
From: philly@chopin.udel.edu (Rob Hite, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: ?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 11:28:16 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

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From: bthoms@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: handicap access at resorts?
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:24:10 +1300
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <BRIAN.92Nov5185927@ganglion.Canada.Sun.COM>, brian@ganglion.Canada.Sun.COM (Brian Onn - OpCom Staff) writes:
> 
> 
> The kinds of things that would make it difficult: narrow hallways,
> narrow doors, high steps up into buildings, stairs, rocks, woodchips, 
> sand (dirt and grass is OK), inadequate washroom facilities.
> 
> Before I had my disabling accident, I was seriously considering visiting
> a resort.  I still haven't lost that desire, I just don't know if it is
> still a feasible endeavor.

I can't give you any specifics about North American clubs, however I can echo
some of the comments others have made in response to your message. The two
clubs I belong to in New Zealand are on a single level, so there are limited
difficulties with steps. The front gate of both clubs are on a metal road and
the gate is padlocked (One club is looking at a card-reader system). Because
much of the 'activity' inside the club involves serious lying about, the main
outdoor areas tend to be flat and grassy.

If you were serious about visiting a club before your accident, you should be
just as serious now. A big part of going to a nudist club or resort is meeting
people in a relaxed environment, where clothes (as status symbols) take on a
much reduced focus. I would have said that it was possible, feasible, practical
and desirable for you to give it a go. One guy who belongs to the Auckland
Outdoor Health Club sometimes brings along a blind friend, who enjoys being in
the fresh air and swimming. I always thought that the main reason to go to a
nudist club rather than using your own back yard was to share the experience
and to see other nudist. That obviously doesn't apply as much to this guy.

As far as toilets go, I haven't ever seen disabled toilets or hand-grips at a
nudist club. Most of the cubicles are fairly small too. Since using them
doesn't involve struggling in and out of pants, I suspect that there will be
plenty of people around to lend a hand if needed. As far as showers go, all the
ones that I've seen are communal and unisex - you don't just shower with a
friend, it's often the best way to start a friendship.

All the best with your visit

Brent Thomson
Waikato University, NZ
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From: Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Re: Chrisitan nudes
Organization: Carnegie-Mellon Univ, Nectar Project
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:14:24 GMT

leed@pro-harold.cts.com writes:
     How do we know Adam and Eve were married. I can't find my bible so can't
     check out the text.

Oh, ferpetesake kiddies, if you KNOW that you DON'T KNOW something,
why inflict your self-acknowledged lack of information on the rest of
us all?

Gen 2:25, *poof*, done, question answered, problem solved.

     Or course it's all open to interpetation.

No, it emphatically is not.  In any situation where the language
before you is plain, it needs no interpretation.  Knock yourself out
trying to interpret Daniel or Revelation, sure.  But when 2:25 says
"the man and his wife," well, somehow it just smacks of a total lack
of a need for "interpretation."
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From: "robert levita" <robert.levita@canrem.com>
Subject: chrisitan nudes
Reply-To: "robert levita" <robert.levita@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:47:44 EST

All your biblical pontificating does not belong on this board.
If you want to discuss religion there are proper boards to discuss it.
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