From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Misquamicus)
Subject: Re: PCP/Ketamine
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 05:38:22 GMT
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In article <1992Nov10.010844.23407@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Misquamicus) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.223836.9631@reed.edu> bowman@reed.edu (Eric Bowman (bobo)) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov9.211323.17800@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Misquamicus) writes:
>>>I have noticed a lot of wavelength lately devoted to ketamine. Unless there is
>>>some quasilegal method of obtaining the stuff, it seems very unlikely that any
>>>ketamine on the street would actually be ketamine.
>>
>>There is some quasilegal method of obtaining the stuff.  Doctors & Vets have
>>legal access to it.  Most ketamine on the street really is ketamine.  It
>>comes in a little vial that says "ketamine".  It's much, much easier to get
>>it this way than to make it, I would imagine.
>
>In the united states, as far as I know, Ket isn't approved for human use.
>Vets do have access, but consider the likelihood of a vet risking loss of
>his licence to make a couple of bucks selling ketamine. Doctors have access to
>all kinds of nifty opiates, but you don't see that much of 'em on the streets. 
>All in all I think this is a rather bold assertion (that Most ket on the 
>streets is indeed ket). Have you any references? Am I to assume these vials
>are labeled in a pharmacological way rather than a generic "Ketamine" label?
>
>>>Because ketamine requires something like 10X the dose of PCP for similar 
>>>effects, and the synthesis for PCP is much easier (from what I have heard). 
>>>These, plus the fact that the average schmoe at a rave or on the street is
>>>unlikely to know the difference in effect (indeed, it is questionable whether
>>>a user who has sampled both could tell the difference).
>>
>>Everyone I've ever met who has taken both ketamine and PCP reports that there
>>is little or no similarity between the two, other than chemical structure.
>
>WHoa! How do you (or they) know what they took? I have several friends who are
>quite experienced LSD users who insist that the "microdot" acid they take is
>a different drug than blotter (they say it is mescaline, which is absurd).
>Some more scientific reports (i.e. the testers knew what the subjects were
>taking, but the subjects didn't) back up my assertions. The benignness of
>ket as compared to PCP seems to be psychological.
>
>>>While I am not trying to knock the "comeback" of this 60-70's drug, the user
>>>should keep in mind that the same warnings and "bum trips" that applied to
>>>PCP also apply to "ketamine".
>>
>>Yeah, well, maybe.  Empirical evidence would suggest to me that PCP is *much
>>more unpredictable* than ketamine.
>
>Name some. the only thing I can see that would make ketamine more predictable
>is a more controlled dosage (assuming it does come in pharmacutical form).
>Also, I doubt as "ket" is smoked as PCP often was, which would create a much
>more powerful (possibly deleriant) experience. 
>
>>I met some people who were experimenting with massive, extended doses of 
>>ketamine.  They, like Lilly, ascribe a nearly mystical quality to the exp-
>>erience, similar to that held by the early proponents of LSD.
>
>Of course they do. Many early users of Ket (AND PCP) reported "out of body"
>experiences and other similar phenomena. This was considered an undesirable
>side-effect & they were discontinued as human anesthetics.
>>
>>And just what drug *should* people take at a rave?
>
>They shouldn't. (how about TMA? Shuglin reported some _nice_ effects from that
>one ;)
>
>Again, I don't give a shit what kind of poisons ya take. I'm not necessarily 
>saying that PCP or ket are necessarily "bad drugs". I just advocate caution
>when dealing with a new "drug-fad".
>>toodles,
>>bobo
>>bowman@reed.edu
>
>-Misquamicus



My apologies, on further research Ketamine _is_ available to doctors in the
U.S. for use on humans (as late as '86 anyway). 
Ketamine has overall similar effects to PCP, but produces less "emergance
delerium" than PCP.

-Misquamicus
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