From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 20:47:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.195041.10322@cbfsb.cb.att.com> motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes:

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>Rural areas where pre-natal care is not available?  Name
>one.  And describe the mental impairment which would
>cause a woman to remain in one during the last trimester
>of pregnancy.  And provide descriptions of the numbers
>of women involved in this type of situation.
>
Just here in Colorado...
Westcliffe, SilverCliffe, Brush. Three small moutain towns that are
essentially snowed in from november till spring. None of which have a
hospital, clinic, or even doctor in residence.
Why would somebody stay there? Well, gee, I'm sure it's nice that you
can go live in a hotel till thebaby is born, but these folks just
can't afford that. They're farmers and small ranchers. They're
probably execting a normal delivery, and will usea midwife for it (who
does live locally) or deliver it themselves (it *is* sort of like
delivering a calf...). Not a large number of womem affected,
obviously. If the towns weren't so small, they'd have the medical
care. We do, hoever, get 1-2 every year that has to be flown in from
these towns, at great expense and even greater risk. It ain't exactly
easy to fly into these places...
Oh, sorry, you only asked for one example. Hope you don't mind. :)

>You are grasping at straws if you have to justify your
>case on what happened before 1920.  You are grasping
>at straws if you have to justify your case on what
>happened before 1980.
>
Well, we haven't had any flown in from there this year, but we had 3
last year. I suppose that's current enough for you?

>In the 1910's, far more women died of tuberculosis and polio
>and diptheria and other diseases then ever faced a scenario
>like the one you paint.  The risks for those diseases are
>gone -- likewise, medical technology has greatly eliminated
>the risk for C-sections.  Let's keep the discussion on
>realities.
>
The risk for these diseases is gone??? Damn, how'd I miss that? I'm
*sure* the last time I was at Fitzsimmons they had 4-5 people in with
TB. Come to think of it, *I* test positive for TB on the tine and PPD
tests, since I was exposed to about 50-60 people with active TB during
my years as a respiratory therapist. I don't have TB, but I've sure as
hell been exposed to it in people who do...
All of those diseases are still a risk. They are a *lesser* risk ten
they were 80 years ago, jsut as a C-section is, but they are *still*
risks.
Let's do keep the discussion on realties. Good idea...

[Rest of argument deleted]

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