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From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Subject: Re: Sweet & Old Malayalaganangal
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:54:58 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Oct6.155912.5271@ulowell.ulowell.edu> sphilip@cs.ulowell.edu (Sheela B. Philip) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.213751.10204@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mchundat@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu) writes:
>>Title:	mOham
>>Film: chill~
>>Sung by: Yesudas
>>	also Janaki
>>
>>
>>	oruvattam koodiyennORmmakaL mEyunna
>>	thirumuttatthetthuvaan mOham
>
>Hi Mathai,
>Isn't there a couple of line at the end that goes something like this:
>
>Verutheyee Mohangal Ennariyumbozhum
>Veruthe Mohikkuvan Moham
>Veruthe Mohikkuvan MOham.
>
>Thanks a lot for the rest of the words,  I really enjoyed it.
>
>Yours Truly,
>Ben Philip
>bphilip@lynx.northeastern.edu

Thanks for the correction.

Mathai
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From: s910700@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Mareena Joseph)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: dowry
Summary: dowry
Keywords: dowry
Date: 1 Oct 92 07:33:27 GMT


  To my opinion, the girls' family also are partially responsible for the
dowry system to get worse, as they think that it is their prestige issue
getting a suitable groom for the girl, and they are (esp. the above average
families) ready to pay a huge amount to "buy" a boy in the 'auction in the
matrimonial market'.
  The boy's parents always claim that they'd spent a very big amount for the
boy's studies (and their reason for claiming that is that if they'd deposited
that amount in a bank, then they would have been 'lakhshaprabhus' by then !).
But infact the girl's parents also spends big amount for their daughter's 
studies as well, perhaps even more than the boy's.
  Before, 'sthreedhanam' meant 'sthree aakunna dhanam', and now it means
'sthreekkulla panam'. 
  Before, according to Muslim custom, the boy had to pay girl's father at the
time of the `nikkah' to get the girl as his wife. Now, the girl's father has 
to give dowry and the boy might pay a part of that dowry amount to the girl's
father during `nikkah'. 
  Even for most of the forest tribes, the boy has to give the girl's parents
some sort of 'dhanam' like one bamboo tube full of honey, few sheep and hen, 
etc. to get married to their daughter.
  Well, as our `muththassimar' says, `kalikalam thanne!'. 

PEACE !!!
Be cool.
Thanks.

MJN (Bindu).

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thu ethra kawthukakaramanu; valiyoru viddiththavum. othiri viddiththangal nira
    nja kawthukangalude oru paramparayanu oru tharathil paranjal jeevitham.
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From: joseph@c2acrd.ge.com (joseph)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: What is this Ravi/Mathai dispute?!!?
Date: 28 Sep 92 14:08:25 GMT
Reply-To: joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com (joseph)
Followup-To: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: GE Research


In article <1992Sep25.194030.7776@ac.dal.ca>, indran@ac.dal.ca writes:
>"alpanne ishriam vanaal ardharatikum kuda pidikum " .....
>
>..any comment ?

    The version that I have heard is:
     "Alpanu ardham kittiyaal ardharaathrikku kuda pidikkum..."

    ardham = money/property

    I could not figure out what "ishriam" is.  Is it aeishwaryam ?

    james joseph             joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com

ps:  This transliteration business is a toughie,isn't it ?  We have
     to figure out a way for these things to show up as real malayalam
     literals on the computer terminal.
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From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: A short story
Keywords: story
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:19:32 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <14811@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au> s910700@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Mareena Joseph) writes:
>Hi netters,
>
>  I remember reading a short story in Vanitha magazine 3 years back, written
>by one of my friend's father, Habeeb Valapad. Its theme was as follows:

Looks like it had a traumatic effect on you.

>
>  The boy's father and other relatives came along with the boy to the girl's
>house for the "pennukanal". After the pennukanal, they started talking the
>so called 'dowry' business. The boy's father demanded for 10 lakhs cash, then
>Maruti car (that's the fashion now), double storey building, etc. as the boy
>is a professionalist. The girl's father agreed for all their demands without
>uttering a single word. The boy's father and relatives were so happy. At the
>end, it was time for the boy's party to leave. When they were about to get into
>the car, the girl's father told them, 'you people didn't forget to demand so 
>many things and I agreed. But you forgot to ask for the most valuable one, 
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Really!

>even if you ask, I'm not going to give you anyway.' The boy's party were stunned
>
>Peace and be cool. Thanks.
>
>MJN (Bindu).
>
Uh...

Mathai

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From: dm6674f90@auvax1.adelphi.edu (DDM)
Subject: Dowry
Reply-To: dm6674f90@auvax1.adelphi.edu
Organization: Adelphi University, Garden City, NY
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:03:28 GMT

Namaskaram ("I'm back!" <--- Arnold alias "Conan the Republican")!
	I have a very serious question for you folks. I noticed a
big recent topic on ACK is the dowry. Well, somebody I care about
very deeply, who is a Malayalee, is in a situation which relates to
this issue. Let me give you a little background. He is a man now in
his seventies who has been residing in the U.S. for the last 15-25
years. He is not a professional in the sense that he doesn't hold
a full-time office job. He earns his living as a dance/arts teacher
and choreographer, teaching resident Malayalees in the U.S. in various
arts like Bharatha Natyam, Kuchipudi and other numerous South Indian
Dance forms. Now his daughter, who has never come to the U.S. and is
currently living in Trivandrum area, is about to get married. The
daughter based on various astrological/puranic etc. reasons must be married
to a widower as marriage to any one who is not a widower might negatively
affect the course of her life. The father is expected to pay a
minimum 3-lakh rupees dowry.
 
	My questions are :

	1. Why is it that a man who is obviously earning such a small
	income in the States is asked to pay such a sum? I know
	personally that he is barely ekking out an existence and that
	he is greatly worried about his daughter's marriage. He has
	no idea where he is going to get that kind of money.

	2. Do people in Kerala really think that just by getting across
	the seas to the U.S. one is able to earn huge sums of riches
	and wealth? Are they so blind as to think that there are no living
	expenses here in the States?

	3. Is this marriage only to widowers really necessary? Is there
	really danger for her if she were to marry her someone who is not
	a widower? 

	4. Call me naive, but is this 3 lakh rupees the average
	amount expected as dowry in Kerala?

	5. Can somebody please give me some serious suggestions as to
	how I can help this poor old fellow out?

Responses to any or all of my questions would be appreciated as I would like
to provide to myself and to my friend the answers as to what makes this
dowry thing so ugly.

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							Njan,
							Dileep
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From: rajeshkr@usc.edu (Rajesh Krishnan)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: ***TV***
Date: 6 Oct 1992 19:11:06 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu



Hi,

Last saturday(10/4) there was a Malyalam TV program for 1 hour between 
12pm and 1pm. I believe this was aired from NY. 
Does any one know if this is going to continue ?

Peace

-rajesh

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From: mece21x@elroy.uh.edu (Yesudas, Michael)
Subject: re:dowry
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:49:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.030613.10594@news.acns.nwu.edu>, jagadish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Parameswaran Iyer) writes...
> 
>Hi,
> 
>I remember asking a friend of mine about his opinion on this issue. His
>explanation was interesting. He said in his religion, women don't inherit the
>property of their parents. Therefore dowry system was used to ensure that they
>get their share. So he felt that vindicates that practice.

The law regarding inheritence of Christian women is one which is dated
in 1871! This was challenged by a school teacher about 2 years ago. I think
there is a similar vintage law concerning the  Hindu women too.
It is high time that we got a common civil law.

> 
>Maybe, it will be the women folks who is going to cry the most if the dowry
>system is stopped and the other customs like, not letting the girls inherit the
>parents property, is followed to the fullest.

Maybe the menfolks will cry along with them.

> 
>stay cool
>j
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From: saptho@gauss.ee.umn.edu (Saptho Nair)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: SB, IIT-M and FRIENDS
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:24:18 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS

Thanks to the SBites and IITians who brought
back some memories from the past. Now that
the sea has calmed down (Hi, Ravi and Mathai)
and people are busy writing their autobiographies
I slip into sweet nostalgic memories......

 SB
^^^^^
The were the basket ball times, when the whole campus
was excited watching Jose Kurian, George Zhachariah and
Aroo(?) (sorry, if you do ot know them, They were also
         Kerala team members)............

The days of Samarams(strikes). The leaders, who try to
get out of sight of Pulickan. The relatively more 
peaceful elections...........

Cigarettes and Omelettes at ICEBERG........
..and stealing LIMCA bottles from the same place when power
goes out...

Ragging and the  time, we 1st PDC students of
St.Joseph's were made to  march to the mess hall in White Mundu,
White shirt and white cap made of towel...

The time  when cracker exploded underneath the Carrom board.

Paruvan warning PDC students that 'November to November(next year)
is a dangerous period'........

The times when we went to Parael Palli Perunnal....

 IIT-M
^^^^^^^^

The first week of ragging..
The beautiful campus and the sunday morning walks in the woods...
The inter hostel meets.. 6-a side ....
The  curra mugging during the end-sems...
Video movies... of course OAT..
Holi and the related chaos near Sarayu...
Diwali and the rocket fights between Godav and Saras..
..and the favorite joints of Tarams and Quark...
The mountaineering   times..
The apping and aid scene...


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I hope more silent SBites and IITians (like me)
start posting on the net


Saptho
(Sapthotharan K Nair)
 PDC 1983-85 (SB)
      '85-89 (IIT-M)
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                        If you have any, please email them
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From: be952@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Alukal)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Chala or Mathi (Re: Kerala, delicates:)
Date: 27 Sep 1992 00:54:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: be952@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Alukal)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Well, regarding Kerala delicacies, how come no one is thinking
about Chala (Saradines)? If you go to Newark, NJ there is a place
called "Iron Bound Section" where most of the people are immigrants
from Portugal. One can get very nice Chala  there, from Portugal.
Tastes delicious, any way you cook it.

Paul Alukal
The Population Council
New York

paul@popcbr.rockefeller.edu (work)  be952@cleveland.freenet.edu (play)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Dowry system
From: skumar@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:42:43 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University



In article <1992Sep27.032358.17613@cc.uow.edu.au>, annie@cc.uow.edu.au
 (annie george) writes:
> In mordern times the traditional custom of 'sreedhanam' (which
>  I think was good and fair) has been completely corrupted 
> and evolved into what is refered to as 'dowry'.
> 
> Do all communities in Kerala have this dowry system? 
> Or is it only the protestant/catholic guys, who are willing to sell
> themselves to the highest bidder?
> 
> Annie.
  ^^^^^^
   as in" Annie, get your gun?"
chumma,
wonko, the sane
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: madanga@hobo.ECE.ORST.EDU (Arun Madangarli)
Subject: Naniamma and Cashewnuts ! 
Followup-To: Article 303 (alt.culture.kerala)
Organization: ECE Dept.,OSU,Corvallis
Distribution: alt.culture.kerala 
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 18:26:47 GMT

In article <1992Sep20.231741.7650@ac.dal.ca> indran@ac.dal.ca writes:
>
>There is a V.K.N. story about tapioca:
>
>
Actually, "Payyans" (V.K.N) stole this story from an old kerala quip !
No credit to him !   :-)

You know, that very same Naniamma (or whatever name you want to call her)
is responsible for another contribution to the English language !

Poor Naniamma used to eke out her meagre income by collecting the nuts 
from the Cashew fruit, roasting them and selling them on the wayside.
She used to sell them at the rate of eight nuts for one "kaash".  (FTI of 
the ignoramuses, a "kaash" was a coin used long ago in Kerala; though
now the word means money, in general).

So there she was sitting on the roadside, with the roast nuts spread out 
on a towel in front of her.  And along comes our "Saip", ambling slowly
along, drinking in our splendid kerala country side...(and probably
dreaming about the next Botanical Survey meeting !). All of a sudden his
steps are arrested, as he halts in front of Naniamma, intrigued by
the roast nuts in front of her.  What a splendid discovery !  This will
certainly make them sit up and take notice at the next BSI meeting !

With a gleam in his eyes and a quiver in his voice he asks Naniamaa,
"What do you call this thing ?"

And poor Naniamma, our business-like Naniamma, can place only one 
interpretation on this question.  Replies she :

"Kaashinetta mone.."

("They are eight for one "Kaash", son !)

.....Thus was born the cashewnut !
>
>...ravi
>  

Arun.P.Madangarli
From: sathi@cco.caltech.edu (Narayana Sateesh Pillai)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Malayalam Books in the U.S.
Date: 26 Sep 1992 17:55:01 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: arrester.caltech.edu
Keywords: books, malayalam, library

joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com (joseph) writes:
>If you are at a university in the U.S., check out your university
>library for Malayalam books.  You may be surprised.
>When I was at the University of Illinois, the University library
>had an impressive collection of Malayalam books.   They
>had more books than the Vaayana shaala in Chenappady had.   That
>is not saying much, but it was impressive nonetheless. Especially
>so, since the university did not offer any Malayalam courses. The
>UI library boasts that it is the largest public university library
>in the world.  So I guess it is not surprising that they had many
>Malayalam books.

>I used to borrow those Malayalam books from the library frequently.
>It was interesting to note that many books had never been borrowed by
>anybody else, and the last time many others were borrowed was almost
>twenty or twentyfive years ago.  Felt kinda funny looking at cards
>which said something like:

>         RETURN ON THE LAST DATE STAMPED BELOW
>            9-SEPT-1968

>and wondering about the person who borrowed the book back then.

I think it was probably my father! He studied there from
'64 to '68 (assuming you are talking about Urbana-Champaigne).

Of course, there were a few other Malayalees.


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From: jagadish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Parameswaran Iyer)
Subject: lyrics..
Summary: lyrics wanted
Keywords: prana sakhi njaan....
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:36:51 GMT


I want the lyrics of the song which goes as follows:

praana sakhi njaan verum oru..........paatukaran
gana loka vedi.............venu oodum aatidayan

engilum en omalaalku thaamasikam en karalil
thanga kinaakal kondoru raaja maha.......
maayatha madhura gaana .............
kaanatha ......... kanmaniye kondupagaan

ponthi varum sangalpathin pon ashoka .....
chanda meyum chandrika ..chandana mani ....
sundara vasantha raavil indraneela......
ennum .....thaamasikkan ente koode .....

Long time since I heard this song and therefore it is possible even the lines I
have attempted to reproduce are wrong. corrections are welcome

In my earlier posting I had asked for the lyrics of 

vikaara barithayumaayi thiramaalakal aadi ulanju
kaneer uppu kalarna oru manalil veli pudava......
rakili pon makale nin poo... yaatra mozhi aano nin mounam

ven...vannu thalodumbol thada shila .....yuka yaayirunnu
............chembin arayan doore thuya.............
theeravum ......... kanaakarayil marayuka yaayirunnu
  (raakili pon makale......

njaan ariyaade nin poomizhi thumbil koudukam unarukayayirunnu
.....................................................
.................................................

I hope this will give the netters an idea the song i was looking for. 

Anxiously awaiting the lyrics of both the songs.

Thanking you in advance.

j
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: kailath@prema.aix.kingston.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: -- The Psychology of a Net-Writer: Part I -- by Jose
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 04:00:11 GMT
Expires: References: <1992Sep26.161017.10793@julian.uwo.ca> <1992Sep30.134453.29147@crd.ge.com>
Reply_to: kailath@prema.aix.kingston.ibm.com.aix.kingston.ibm.com ()
Organization: IBM Corp

In article <1992Sep30.134453.29147@crd.ge.com> joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com (joseph) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep26.161017.10793@julian.uwo.ca>, jose@csd.uwo.ca (Jose Thekkumthala) writes:
>>
>     Now, the problem is the silent majority.  It has been estimated
>     (by yours truly, nobody else) that there are 23.7 people who read
>     the articles for every person who posts something on the net.  This
>     silent majority do not post anything for one or more of the following:
>
>     a. have nothing to say  (not a valid reason, as I explained above)
>     b. Is too shy to post something (Get a hold of yourself ! what are
>        you afraid of ?)
  I was one of those silent majority. But the reason was none
of the above. It was because the machine I used to read the
news from  has no permisson to post, but only to read. But
recently I changed the server machine to one that I can post
also, only because I found people from the same background on
this group

Dominic
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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Dowry system
Keywords: dowry
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:38:21 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.032358.17613@cc.uow.edu.au> annie@cc.uow.edu.au (annie george) writes:
>In mordern times the traditional custom of 'sreedhanam' (which
> I think was good and fair) has been completely corrupted 
>and evolved into what is refered to as 'dowry'.
>
>Do all communities in Kerala have this dowry system? 
>Or is it only the protestant/catholic guys, who are willing to sell
>themselves to the highest bidder?

The only community I know who isn't very particular about Dowry is the
Namboothiri community, esp the northern ones (by north I mean cochi
and Malabar) At least, it used to be like that... it might be different
now. The southern Namboothiris have a more "developed" dowry system.

Among other Hindu communities, dowry plays an important role among Ehavas
and to a lesser extent, Nairs. Same is true with muslims. A trend I have
observed is that the dowry is more important in the south kerala, ie
travancore.

>Annie.

Njan
From: s910700@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Mareena Joseph)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Lyrics (pranasakhi ....)
Summary: lyrics
Keywords: lyrics
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:36:17 GMT


   Padiyathu : Yesudas

pranasakhi .... pranasakhi ....
_ pranasakhi njan verumoru ..
pamaranam pattukkaran .. _ (2)
ganaloka veedhikalil ..
venuvoothum aattidayan ...
       		   
		pranasakhi njan verumoru ..
		pamaranam pattukkaran ..
		ganaloka veedhikalil ..
		venuvoothum aattidayan ...
		pranasakhi njan .......

_ engilum ennomalaalkku ..
thamasikkan en karalil .. _ (2)
thankakkinakkal kondoru ..
tajmahal njanuyartham ...
_ mayaththa maduragana maliniyude kalppadavil .. _ (2)
kanaththa poonkudilil ..
kanmaniye kondupokam ...
		
		pranasakhi njan verumoru ..
		pamaranam pattukkaran ..
		ganaloka veedhikalil ..
		venuvoothum aattidayan ...
		pranasakhi njan ........

ponthivarum sankalppathin ..
ponnasoka malarvaniyil ..
chandhamezhum chandrika than -
chandanamani mandhirathil ...
_ sudaravasantha ravil ..
indraneela mandapathil .. _ (2)
ennumennum thamasikkan ..
entekoode porumo nee ...
		
		pranasakhi njan verumoru ..
		pamaranam pattukkaran ..
		ganaloka veedhikalil ..
		venuvoothum aattidayan ...
		pranasakhi njan ........

MJ Neyyarappally (Bindu),
RMIT, Melbourne.

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