HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.misc,rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Whats the title/Author of this story
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:24:24 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <26686@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, wbrown@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov (Bill Brown) writes:
> In article <1992Oct7.020101.21144@cs.su.oz.au> matthew@cs.su.oz.au (Matthew Geier) writes:
>>
>> Some time ago I read a SF novel that was set on Mars and featured a
>>railway system on Mars.
>>	...
>> The reason im looking for this book is that it appears to be the only case
>>where my interests in SF and railways meet in one book. Im now looking for
>>a name for my railway BBS and thought that book might provide a name..
>>(Particularly the name of the siding at the town.. ).
> 
> While not the book you're looking for, another "intersection" of SF/Trains
> was a short story named something like "A Subway Called Mobius."  Don't
> remember the name of the author, or even where/when I read it.

I have vague memories of 'A subway named Moebius' (vel aff.)-- but the
one I remember is 'A. Botts and the Moebius strip' which I seem to
recall in the anthology _Fantasia Mathematica_

kay klier
From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: She's baaaaack.....Camille Paglia
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:04:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Oct6.222648.14265@klaava.Helsinki.FI> amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell) writes:
>belle Europe.  I visit NYC on occasion.  And that's about it.  The
>rest of the New World looks horrible enough on CNN.  The LA riots
>were just one more example of the general putrefaction.  But, of
>course, most of you lot don't live in America, but safe and sound
>in your Ivory Tower.


Vacationing in Yugoslavia this year?  How about Belfast, then?




-- 
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: duffey@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas Duffey)
Subject: Re: Ted Williams (was Re: Baseball etc. etc.)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 22:42:09 GMT

kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:


>Speaking of Ted Williams and _Ball Four_ (weren't we?), I treasure the
>mantra Bouton describes hearing during Williams' batting practice:

>(Muttered under his breath): "I'm Ted fucking WILLIAMS" --smash--
>"of the major fucking LEAGUES"--smash-- etc.

>I use it myself when in serious need.

>Kate


>-- 
>- - - - - - - -
>kate@cactus.org
>Be the voice of night and Florida in my ear.

	Actually, if I remember correctly, this was not muttered under his
breath, but shouted at the top of his lungs.  You have to have a SERIOUS
ego.....


Tom Duffey

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Note on a Pinter play
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:00:00 GMT

I noticed that there is a revival of Harold Pinter's play "The
Caretaker" going on in New York. The play is about two brothers
who rescue an old man from a barroom fight and bring him home to
their flat. As in another revival of this play some years ago,
the name of the old man is Davies. I find this quite intriguing,
because when I saw this play during my first year in college,
the character's name was Jenkins. 

This is burned into my memory because the girl who was my date
that evening was named Jenkins. She was a real ingenue type and
when the brothers demanded to know the name of the filthy,
scruffy man they'd brought home, and he said "Jenkins," she let
out an anguished gasp that turned heads in the audience. She
continued to writhe as the brothers mercilessly demanded him to
say his name again and again..."JEN-kins!...Jen-KINS!" 

Ms. Jenkins was not a significant part of my life subsequently,
though not because of this incident.  We saw each other a couple
of times during college and she went home to her high school
sweetheart after graduation. But the convergences and influences 
that led me to ask that particular girl to go to that particular
entertainment have provided much food for thought since then. 
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From: jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner)
Subject: How good is Barker's "Damnation Game".
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:09:49 GMT

  Over the years I heard the title "Damnation Game" when I hear about Clive
  Barker, usually when someone talks about Hellraiser and now with his new 
  movie "CandyMan".  So I was wondering if "Damnation Game" is a good book.

  Also what is the book that "Hellraiser" was based on?  Was there a book called
  "Hellraiser" or what?

  Thanks in advance,

  P.S. As you can see I don't know anything about Clive Barker, just that he's a
  horror writer.


-- 
 = U   U     IIIII =================Les Claypool- I will rape your personality==
 = U   U       I    John Meseke              Pummel you with my own philosophy==
 = U   U  of   I                              Strip you of your self-integrity==
 = UUUUU     IIIII  jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu===To make you all a bit like me.==
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Books in the time of love
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:07:01 GMT


 
This is a re-post.  The gateway I usually use doesn't seem to be passing
my articles along.  Please forgive me, if you've already seen this.
 
----------------------------------------
 
escr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (elizabeth) writes:
 
> My husband and I like reading children's books to each other as well.
 
I'm surprised at how many people have stated that they & their spouses
read children's books to each other.  Is romance dead?
 
> my husband likes to read me fairy tales and then screw around with
> the story, sometimes he gets to the middle before I realize it
 
Hmmm.  I started this thread to find out what books might get someone
interested in screwing, and find that only the stories are being screwed
around with.  :-)
 
But this actually reminded me of THE WATER METHOD MAN by John Irving.  In
it, the main character is working on his PhD thesis -- a minor Old Norse epic.
His advisor is unhappy with how the translation is going, so he starts to
make it up.  He invents new characters, kills off old ones, adds new plot
twists.  His advisor loves it.
 
 
Mark
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: More Notes from the Decline
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:02:03 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Oct7.150059.9543@grebyn.com>, fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
> Tom Maddox writes:
# #	I for one trust that Mr. Morgan stands corrected:  Republicans read
# #piffle and twaddle.
# 
# They also appear to be able to read bumper stickers.  I know this has
# nothing to do with books, but I can't help it, I'm annoyed, today, to 
# find that once again, the "Maryland for Clinton/Gore" sticker has
# been peeled off the back bumper of my car.  The Jimi Hendrix, Dead
# Kennedys, and Ministry stickers are left untouched, but three times
# now, in a mere ten days, someone has removed the Clinton/Gore sticker.  

Consider yourself fortunate that's all that being done.  A friend of
mine was driving back from San Francisco.  A man drove up next to
him, and, apparently expressing his feelings about the Bush/Quayle
bumper sticker on my friend's car, proceeded to mouth various 
obscenities.  My friend smiled back, and said, "Have a nice day!"
The raving lunatic then picked up and waved a handgun at my friend.
Fortunately, the nice Highway Patrolman two cars back saw all this,
and pulled the raving Democrat over.

# This strikes me as an odd form of political expression.  The net effect
# is that I will drive to the local Democratic headquarters, give them
# more money, and pick up another large pile of stickers and buttons.
# Each time a sticker disappears, I immediately replace it, so my car
# is _sans_ sticker only briefly, while parked (each of these thefts occurred
# in different parking lots).
# 
# I wish I had a Perot and a Bush sticker I could lay on the back of my
# car with a note, "Please take one of these instead, and put it on your
# *own* car, dammit!"
# 
# 							  Fiona

You are assuming, of course, that these thefts are by Republicans.
Perhaps they are by Democrats, implementing the long standing policy
that, "What's yours is mine, and what's mine is none of your damn
business."


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:05:32 GMT


 
This is a re-post.  The gateway I usually use doesn't seem to be passing
my articles along.  Please forgive me, if you've already seen this.
 
----------------------------------------
 
John McCarthy writes:
        Mark Taranto writes:
 
             Clayton strikes me as the kind of person who, when asked if
             the proverbial glass is half full or half empty will reply
             "Look at all the flouride."
 
        Why does Mark Taranto think Clayton Cramer would misspell "fluoride"?
        He must be prejudiced against Sonoma State University.
 
If the consistently pedantic Professor McCarthy had spent more time reading
the entire article, rather than looking for one of my many spelling errors,
he would see that I have new-found respect for Sonoma State University.
This is due to Clayton's statistics showing that only 6% of the students
there are morons -- not all-but-Clayton as one would think from the rest
of his articles.
 
Mark
 
From: bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:30:32 GMT
Subject: Re: mutinies (was Re: WWII Novels?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books


    In article <1992Sep30.175245.4798@nas.nasa.gov> wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith) writes:
    >	"There NEVER
    >	was a mutiny on an American ship!" and don't you forget it.  

I read that book when it first came out.  I was still a teenager.  It
was fantastic--right up there with all the other war novels that were
coming out at that time.  As good as those that Monserrat was doing.

I didn't give a damn whether or not there had ever been a mutiny in
the American navy.  After two years in the military, I still don't.
B.S!
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: WANTED: "The Profit" by Kehlog Albran
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:42:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Oct15.111959.4719@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, harish@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Harish Devarajan) writes:
> Hi all.  I'm looking for the book mentioned above ("The Profit" by
> Kehlog "Arguments with furniture are rarely productive" Albran).  Was
> recommended to me by a friend, but he doesn't have a copy, and
> (surprise) neither does MIT, where I happen to be.  Does anybody have
> a copy I can buy ?  Or know where I can find one, in the Boston area ?
> 
> Mail to harish@theory.lcs.mit.edu

I believe this splendid parody was published by National Lampoon.

"Even the best of friends, can not attend each other's funereals."
-- Kehlog Albran
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Limpopo?
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:46:00 GMT

> mj7633@ireland.medtronic.com (Mark Jacoby) writes:

>Could someone tell me where this is from?
>
>"The great, greasy, grey, green Limpopo"

I don't have my copy of Rudyard Kipling's "Just So Stories"
handy, but if I did, that line from "The Elephant's Child"
would read something more like "the grey, green, greasy
Limpopo River"...
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Perthian
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:58:09

I understand the following pretty well except for "ning-nong".  INFIDEL,
is it a compliment?  Actually, all I need to know about Perthian etiquette
is this.  If someone calls you a ning-nong, what are the options for
what to call him in return?

From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: sci.environment
Subject: Sustainable lifestyles
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 00:01:19 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <JMC.92Oct13214308@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:

 > Who consulted Hardwick?  It seems that he babbles about "the
 > persistence of institutionalised lunacy in the world", he is
 > making a point similar to mine.

Who consulted McCarthy? His postings barely reflect the intelligence
and disciplined study one would anticipate from a Professor in any
field. Far more reminiscent of the blithering of a total ning-nong
with no access to data, to facts, to any sort of reality whatever.

Why don't you do even a minimum of homework, sir! You do no justice to
your institution, and make a mockery of science. I regard your wholly
eccentric ravings with the contempt they deserve.

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
   * * Sustainable Community Development & Environmental Education * *

--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: tdlg9831@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tracey Dianne Layng)
Subject: Re: A nice book to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:02:32 GMT

In response to books I would rather listen to someone discuss, but not read
and cross referenced under not living there, I submit for consideration
ADA by Nabokov. All I remeber about the book is that there was some fruit,
two children, and nature. The book also had a bright yellow dust-jacket.

Tracey
UIUC

I was talking about the OE version of _Beowulf_ and entirely about the
content, my dear.
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Borders Bookstores sold to K-Mart
Date: 9 Oct 92 12:33:09 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Distribution: na

In article <1b26h2INNal5@bigboote.WPI.EDU> jseaver@starbird.WPI.EDU  
(Jason John Seaver) writes:
> In article <7083@transfer.stratus.com>  
jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com writes:
> >My guess is that Borders may stay the same for a short while,
> >but a year or two from now some corporate bean counter will
> >notice they can save money by not bothering to buy books from 
> >these little companies, and not "wasting" shelf space on 
> >stuff that doesn't sell. After all, if they get rid of all
> >that literature stuff that doesn't sell much, they can triple
> >the number of romances in the store.  Sigh!
> 
> 	I'm really unqualified to talk about this (never even SEEN a  
Borders),
> but it may not be that bad.  K-Mart bought the company because it's  
showing a
> profit; in the current state of economic affairs, if something is  
showing a
> consistent profit, you don't mess with it.  Now, if a couple of  
years down
> the line the profits drop sharply, they might cause trouble, but I  
wouldn't
> worry until then.
> 

My worry is that they'll start out with the idea of leaving them
the same, but won't understand even what that means and thus
do damage.  For example, I can see some big-wig in K-Mart 
purchasing deciding that "Yes, we'll leave Borders as our line
of real big bookstores, but we can save some money by
combining the purchasing operation with Walden's." In the
process, I'd bet that some of the small publishers will
disapear from Borders' shelves (and all the while the K-Mart
folks will think they are keeping it the same, because
it's still real big, right?).

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Well Met in Austin!
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:50:16 GMT

Mark Taranto writes:

	Francis Muir writes:

		Joann Zimmerman writes:

			[stuff]

			Francis will be disgusted to know that we didn't 
			mention him at all.

		In fact, the Zimmermanic, Catatonic, Godwitless Silence 
		was music to the Fiducial Ear.

	It would certainly have been preferable to being dismissed as a 
	"nice guy."

Mark, I tried, God knows I tried, but you just don't seem to have the 
makings of a Real Little Shit. The Lesser Godwit was absolutely right. 
You are, despite everything we've tried, the archetypal Mr Nice Guy.
There's one last hope, and that's to call in our antipodal specialist,
the "Spin" Doctor himself, John "Ning Nong" Wodilihojo.

							Fido
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The White Man's Burden of Proof - New words!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:37:51 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <7620055@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
> In rec.arts.books, wojdylo@maths.uwa.oz.au (INFIDEL) writes:
> > Dug Cunt-storm writes:
> 
> Hehe.  This reminds me so much of high school.

More like junior high.  And at my junior high, INFIDEL would have
run from the scene, with blood dripping from his nose.  (Not by
me, of course -- but by someone without my tolerance and aversion
to violence).

-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
From: le01167@portal.lasc.lockheed.com (Ron Nadel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Attractiveness (was: Re: She's baaaaack.....Camille Paglia)
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:21:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: portal.8OCT199214312008
Organization: Lockheed Aeronautical Systems Co. - Rye Canyon
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct8.135517.24506@cactus.org>, kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes...

>Are you living in a world of dreams or of . . . uh . . . men? There
>are no two "equally qualified candidates" for anything; there are
>no clones or doppelgangers running around out there.
> 
>To concsiously allow good-looks/non-good looks to be one of the
>deciding factors in hiring an employee seems to me shameful in any
>real-world situation.

Well, if we're going to talk about real-world, then we're going to
have to acknowledge that we all have preferences that are not based
soley on one person's "objective" qualifications, and we humans have
a great deal of trouble removing ourselves from those preferences - as
much as we may dissemble or deny.  To consciously recognize this is so is 
not the same as allowing it to be a deciding factor.  And the converse
is also true, to outwardly deny that we have these preferences does not
remove them.

But it is in this effort of trying to resolve the conflict of being 
correct with being human that we can take the first step toward 
disingenousness, and then we're politicians.

Ron
From: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Help me settle an argument
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:02:50 GMT
Reply-To: lsnow@ncrclm.ClemsonSC.NCR.COM (Linda Snow)
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR E&M CLEMSON Liberty, SC

Regarding "The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam":  My friend says it really is
written by some (Arab?Persian?) named Omar Khayyam and translated by
some Englishman (Fitzgerald?).  I say there was no such person as
Omar Khayyam and the book was actually written by the Englishman.  Please
settle this if you have certain knowledge. (And kindly ignore
misspellings).  Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: James Bond
Keywords: James, Bond, Fleming, Charteris, Saint, spy
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 13:10:24 GMT

Lew Mammel, Jr. writes:
>> > .................................................  I mean the type of 
>> > clanger which has a sailor talk about "getting to leeward of the stink" 
>> > when he means he wants to get away from it; .........................

Daniel Ira Bodenheimer writes:
>> Hmmm. Wouldn't a sailor naturally make this type of generalization?
>> At sea, literally "getting to leeward" would be the only available refuge.
>> In a perhaps more complex landlocked situation, any refuge at all
>> would be equated to the unique nautical alternative.

Lew Mammel, Jr. writes:
>Ooops! "leeward" should be "windward" is all.

I'm corn-fused.  If an airborne "stink" is what you're trying to
avoid, then getting to leeward (downwind) of it is not the way to
go.  Getting to windward (upwind) of it will put you where you can't
smell the thing.  So what exactly are y'all talking about?

							--Fiona
From: Paul Schroeder
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Peter Smith Publisher, Inc.
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:43:22 GMT
Organization: BNR

In article <168771145C.MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU> MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
writes:
>In article <1992Oct05.170129.13789@brtph560.bnr.ca>
>Paul Schroeder writes:
> 
>>Recently, I purchased a copy of Richard Hughes' novel _In Hazard_ from
>>Peter Smith Publisher, Inc.
> 
>Funny. . . I just finished reading "In Hazard" this afternoon.  A
>remarkable book.  I've not read anything else by Richard Hughes;
>though, my father once tried to press "A High Wind in Jamaica" on
>me -- I was too young to appreciate it then.  I'd be interested in
>hearing comments on his work.

Richard Hughes wrote only four novels:

	_A High Wind in Jamaica_
	_In Hazard_
	_The Fox in the Attic_
	_The Wooden Shepherdess_

I have read the first two and was extremely impressed with both, preferring _In
Hazard_.  Although there is a trace of Conrad in these first two novels, I
found them to be very original and superbly written.  Hughes' last two novels
were intended as the first volumes in an ambitious sequence entitled _The Human
Predicament_;  unfortunately, he died in 1976 before completing it.  Unlike his
first two novels which had a strong sea element, the last two take place during
the Nazis' rise to power in Germany.  Evidently, Hughes was a very meticulous
writer judging from the fact that the publishing of his four novels spans a
period of 44 years (1929-1973).

In the US, _A High Wind in Jamaica_ is available as a Harper paperback and _In
Hazard_ as a Peter Smith hardback reprint.  The last two are out-of-print.  I
plan on reading these when I can get them (have already recommended to Peter
Smith that they reprint both).  I believe that all four are in print in the UK,
at least in hardback.
Organization: Engineering and Public Policy, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA