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From: (Eric Youngblood)
Subject: Re: THE DOOR HORROR
Reply-To: Peon w/o Email priv (Eric Youngblood)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 19:12:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.072555.23907@csus.edu>, aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Al Bundy) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep02.181220.29653%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu> mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu (Mike Suter) writes:
|> >>THE ANSWER:  Get a theft deterrant system like James Bond had in a Lotus - the car
|> >>blows up along with the cretin who touched it!  (Expensive, but fun!) :^)
|> >
|> >Or, a theft deterrant system like that on the Batmobile--arm the
|> >system, and the car is instantly covered in armor!
|> >
|> >Mike
|> >-- 
|> >mike%jim.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
|> 
|> Someone posted the cars/types of driver to avoid parking next to 
|> in order to protect your car from dings
|> 1. Any dirty old clunker
|> 2. Yuppies who treat their cars like appliance, change cars
|>    every so often, and don't care about yours
|> May I add
|> 3. Cars with rental sticker on it -> It happened to mine :(
|> 
|> Regarding the Batman car armor, it would be nice if someday
|> somebody make an invisible shield around your car, like the
|> Star Trek movie.  It will make a great theft deterrent too !
|> BTW, is this possible at all ?  You can say that you read about
|> the idea here first when somebody finally come out with it :)
|> 

Perhaps some kind of magnetic strip could be placed on exposed areas that would
act like the factory protectors, but be much wider. You could stick them to the
underside of the trunk lid when not in use and pull them out when you have to
park in a crowded mall parking lot.


Any inventive types out there?

$0.02
Ericy
Xref: sparky rec.autos:21051 rec.autos.tech:11936
From: ich@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ing-Chin Hwang)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: K&N, what do you get from it?
Keywords: K&N air filter
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:37:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: ut-emx.78765
Reply-To: ich@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ing-Chin Hwang)
Followup-To: sender
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: ich@donald.cc.utexas.edu


This question should go to the FAQ :-)

I was wondering what are the net effects of using K&N or other equivalent
oil-based air filters?

You get more HP? more torque? easy to rev? engine longevity?
long-term saving on $$? OR just the satisfaction of being able to
brag... 

Real life experiences would be great.
Thanks.
-- 
Ing-Chin Hwang, ich@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
From: dlou@ece.UCSD.EDU (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Solidity = Safety ?
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:50:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug29.212755.29435@csus.edu> aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Al Bundy) writes:
>When I go to Auto Shows, I have a habit of slamming the car's door 
>to see if it has a satisfying "thunk" when its closed.  At least
>this will give me an idea if the structure is solid or not when I 
>don't have a chance to test drive it (unless the factory knows
>a way to make a tin-can car close its doors with "thunk" which I think
>won't happen because they might as well make the whole structure
>solid)

Perhaps you can put massive door latches/striker plate assemblies on a
tin can frame?  This would give you a high polar moment plus lots of
inertia to make a loud sound and the thick latch will make a solid sound.


--
Dennis Lou             || "But Yossarian, what if everyone thought that way?"
dlou@ucsd.edu          || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
[backbone]!ucsd!dlou   |+====================================================
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Newsgroups: rec.autos,misc.consumers,rec.autos.tech,sci.environment,talk.environment
From: jgraham@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (the End)
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:37:03 GMT


You seem to be quite adept at ignoring the gist of what I am saying in
favor of some catchy insults. Perhaps you might consider a carreer in
politics or the legal industry.

Although the original post may have been designed to draw an emotional
reaction, it does reflect a very real problem. Although you may feel
locked in to a particular method of auto energy distribution, I don't
suffer from the same limitation. Your other point may indeed have some
validity. 

My point is that the current framework in which a small number of
companies exercise complete contol over developing technologies has
proven to be counterproductive and dangerous, and has indeed been a
limiting factor in progress.One noteworthy example from the relevant
industry was the acquisition of the electric rail system in California
by agents of General Motors and Goodyear and the disasterous
consequences. 

Although the original post could easily be labeled a "conspiracy
theory",it does reflect a very real social-economic problem.

J. Graham
Biology/Chemisry Depts.
Indiana University -Bloomington 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller)
Subject: GMAC First Time Buyer Rebate
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:34:11 GMT


here is an interesting point:

GMAC offers what they call a first time buyer rebate of $400 if you are
a 'first time buyer'
the catch is that in order to qualify for this rebate you mush chose GMAC
financing..

now I had a loan pre approved for 8.5% and was planning to borrow $9648

GMAC offered me a finance rate of 10.9% but that higher rate also gives a 
rebate so with GMAC I would finance 9148 at 10.9% .

Is there any reason for this rebate other then to make loans harder to compare...


ALSO they have this rebate for the car I bought $1,500 factory to dealer rebate...
or 2.9% financing...

now if you take the car priced at $11,500 2.9% for 4 years and then you consider
10,000 at 10.9% for 4 years you find with the help of a computer that your monthly
payments will be exactly the same...(to the penny)....

so If you are financing and are asked if you want the 'low rate ' or teh REBATE
what the hell difference does it make your monthly payments will be the same 
either way........


the ideal plan
	1. negotiate the best price for the car possible
	2. deduct the $1,500 Factory rebate
	3. deduct the $400 First time buyer rebate
	4. finance the balance at 2.9%

and that 2.9% is not unrealistic seeing some savings accounts make less then that
now.

THey should make their money of the car not the financing of it.......

back to my original point abouyt the FIRST TIME BUYER DISCOUNT......

the way it worked out was that a loan for 8.5% from my back was equivalent to
a 10.9% loan through GMAC.

If I asked the GMAC man for a lower rate based on the fact I had pre-aproved 
financing he figured out exactly what I did the highest rate that made
the rate+ rebate equivalent to the Outside financing and would not go a point lower...

THe other thing that bothers me is that at some dealers I was told I would not
qualify for the $400 while at the place I ended up buying my car I was told
anyone can qualify....


Point is I ended up buying my car for $9148 while MSRP was over $13,200
not bad, but I still fell I was ripped off based on sunday paper ads I saw this past
week.  

The same dealer I bought my car from who refused to go to $9200 advertised the 
exact model for $8999 the next week........(WHAT THE HELL!!!!!!!!!)
but I guess that goes to show if you make up your mind on a price stick
to your GUNS as many have said and do not give in without a fight.....

but I thought it was cool to see a car MSRP at $13,200+ advertised for $8,999


Oh well I just wanted to toss in the idea of GMAC 's strange ways of 
advertising loans. 

They can effectively advertise a car for $400 less then they are actually
selling it for...
so you compare a $9,600 GM price with a $10,000 Mazda price in your head
when effectively they are the same because the 9600 comes with GM financing at
a rate higher then you would have otherwise...

Pretty clever marketing trick I think........

ANY thoughts comments ect.....

please flame this one up as much as possible..........
 


Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rkling@mipos2.intel.com (Ralph Kling)
Subject: BMW + standard CD player ???
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:28:31 GMT

Hi!

I recently got a '92 325i and while I really like that car a lot, I am
quite unhappy about the fact that BMW charges about $800 for the add-on
CD changer *plus* $130 for the "data cable". After carefully studying the
connections on the radio and on BMW's data cable I found out that neither
matches any of the standard connectors (Pioneer, etc.).
My question therefore is: Has anybody succeeded in connecting a non-BMW
CD changer (~ $300) to their BMW radio? Any help is gladly appreciated!

- Ralph

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: insurance claiming made easy
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:29:54 GMT

This goes out to all those people who never ever want to make an
insurance claim for fear of their premium going up or having a bad rep
with the agency or such things...

Just yesterday I made my first insurance claim.  I have comprehensive
coverage on my cadillac.  I had the car repainted a year ago and tree
sap dripped on my paint this summer and ate some of it off.
Comprehensive covers this so I went to the insurance company to find out
about making a claim.  Having heard all the horror stories of how the
premium skyrockets of you make a claim I asked my agent what effect
making such a claim would have on my premium.  He explained to me that
the ONLY time premium goes up after a claim is when you claim an
accident that YOU WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR.  If you were charged on your
record for the accident then that is the absolutely only time that the
premium goes up after the claim.  He gauranteed me in writing that my
premium will not go up after I make a comprehensive claim.  I then asked
him why all the horror stories are out there and he repsonded "I have
never understood the horror stories, the way I see it you, the
customers, have made me a millionare, I am a millionare, and I
appreciate that so I certainly have no problem with returning the favor
a bit and handing back a few thosand every so often to fix your car, you
deserve it"  That may not be exact words but it's pretty close.  So
anyway, the claims adjuster looked at my car, estimated the value of the
damage, deducted my deductabel and handed me a check.  He then proceeded
to explain how I go about actually getting the car fixed without paying
the deductable.  He explained that there estimate is on a computer
database of the cost but he knows who around the area does a good job
for a lower cost and would be able to save me my deductable.  Low and
behold the guy he says is the best is also the guy who did an excellent
job of repainting my car for me a year ago.

I was treated fairly, kindly, my car is getting repainted on tuesday,
and my premium is not going up. Insurance has proven itself to me to be
a pretty damn good idea.  The agent did inform me that If I park under
the same tree and it happens again I can not claim it again, but if I
park under a different tree and it happens I can.  He also gave me
advice on waxing and covering.  He said that from insurance tests they
have found that either Nu-Finish or Meguires (sp?) provide the most
protection from chemicles and sun to a car and that best car covers to
use were the plain cotton ones that keep out the sun and the dirt but are
not waterproof.  He said the thin light weight ones do not "polish" the
paint of the four corners of the car, which he says he has payed a lot
of claims on for people with the thick heavy covers.  

Just an interesting experience to show there are good sides to even an
insurance agent!

Jim
From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: "info on 93 Probe wanted"
Date: 30 Aug 92 04:03:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The Helen Keller Bondurant High Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <ellisk.714804508@fido.Colorado.EDU> ellisk@fido.Colorado.EDU writes:
>Options you might want to consider are cruise control and ABS.  I'm
>definitely going to get both on any car I buy, be it the Probe GT or the
>Saturn SL2 (the other primary choice, and yes, I get to order that too).
>Both are part of the 'premium' package on the GT, along with power
>windows and locks, and a rear windshield wiper.  Funny thing is, going
>by dealer cost (optained from Consumer Reports) the GT with the
>'premium' package costs only $500 or so more than a 'regular' package
>equipped Probe plus ABS and Cruise Control.  Something to think about.

Either you are misreading the CR info, or the info itself is bogus.
The actual difference at invoice prices is over $2400.  (I'm reading the
actual Ford dealer cost sheet).

>I'm not an owner (yet!) but I will say that after having looked at and
>driven just about everything in the Probe's class, it comes out tops in
>price/performance.  It's extremely satisfying to drive, moreso than even
>the VW Corrado SLC, the Talon TSi AWD, or the Honda Prelude, and it's
>cheaper than all of them (not including Talon rebates).  I am a little

In one of the current rags (Road and Track?), five of their reviewers
compare the Probe GT and four competitors.  *All* picked the Probe GT when
price was considered, and 3 picked the Probe GT regardless of price.

>Michael K. Ellis
>ellisk@fido.colorado.edu

--
Alan Denney      aland@informix.com      {pyramid|uunet}!infmx!aland

  Smith and Wesson: the Ultimate Point-and-Click User Interface.
From: dlou@ECE.UCSD.EDU (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Alfa vs. the world (was Re: HONDA CIVIC BASHING C
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:14:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <lactgiINN6lq@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM|> chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
|>From article <1992Sep02.203023.18208@news.mentorg.com>, by gcagle@dracula.mentorg.com (Greg Cagle):
|>> In article <laa4olINNpto@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
|>> |> 
|>> |> For example, it is quite obvious
|>> |> that the 924 was a response to (and near copy of) the Alfetta and the 
|>> |> 944 was a response to (and near copy of) the GTV6.
|>> Huh? I guess this wasn't obvious to me.
|>
|>First, you should note that the the 924 got to the market about 2 years
|>after the Alfetta did (in Europe) and that the 944 (simply an upgrade of
|>the 924) also reached the market about 2 years after the GTV6 (simply an
|>upgrade of the Alfetta).
|>
|>The comparisons and timing between the GTV6 and the 944 are similar.
|>The 944 came out a bit less than two years after the GTV6.  Both cars 
|>were upgraded from 1.6 to 2.0 litre engines to 2.4 to 2.5 litre engines.  
|>The 944 engine (4 cylinder with ballance shafts) was (again) cheaper 
|>mechanically than the GTV6 engine (V6).  But this time, Porsche finally 
|>gave the buyer a bit more for the higher price by incorporating the 
|>first complete engine management system.
|>
|>So, looking at what the two companies did and when, the conclusion that
|>Porsche was copying Alfa is inescapable.

The only problem I have with that is that the 924 was originally for
the VW/Audi folks.

Also, you could say that the front engine rear tranny configuration
grew out of the 928 concept which had been in the works for quite some
time before it was released.  Porsche also has a good excuse in that
they put the tranny in the rear out of courtesy for their previous
rear engine designs.

I personally prefer the Alfa to the Porsche anyway.  It's a shame to
see what the Fiat buyout did to their cars.  The 164 is a fine car,
but doesn't seem true to the Alfa tradition.

--
Dennis Lou             || "But Yossarian, what if everyone thought that way?"
dlou@ucsd.edu          || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
[backbone]!ucsd!dlou   |+====================================================
dlou@ucsd.BITNET       |Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak went to my high school.
From: carl@Cayman.COM (Carl Heinzl)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Storing a car for a year
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:48:48 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: na
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: boubez@tastesgreat.rutgers.edu's message of 26 Aug 92 21:40:06 GMT
bcc: carl


>First, we have to put it on cinder blocks, I assume. Is that necessary?
>Where do the blocks go? Under the suspension? I can't see them going under
>the tires, since it would be kinda useless :-)

I just caught the tail end of Motor Week last week.  They said that
the the main idea here is to prevent tire rot.  They said that when
the tires are sitting on cement that the moisture buildup around the
tires causes problems over the long term.  They suggested using wood
boards that are 6 inches wider than the tires and a foot longer.

-Carl-
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Ken Orr)
Subject: Re: What's a DOD number ?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:54:28 GMT

     We could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you !!! Look to
rec.motorcycles for possible clues.....


     "86 Ninja 600R"                               K.O.
  "DOD #306 AMA #615088"                       T.I. Dallas Tx.
    "Eclipse GS Turbo"                      Orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com
From: xepama@usmi02.midland.chevron.com (P.Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Haggling with car dealers
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:52:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: chevron

I've seen a number of comments about buying from auto dealers on this
net.  One option I have not seen discussed is the use of an auto
broker.  Can anyone out there share any experiences, good or bad, 
encountered in dealing with a broker?  How do you find one, will 
they generally pass on factory-to-dealer incentives, etc.?



-- 
Parker Mann                    xepama@usmi02.midland.chevron.com
 
"Keep those cards and letters."
From: jkosone1@vipunen.hut.fi (Jussi T Kosonen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: need info on all-new Ford Probe GT
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:56:45 GMT
Reply-To: jkosone1@vipunen.hut.fi (Jussi T Kosonen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology




When is this car to be put on sale??
I have seen some advertisements about it and I know that it is -93 model
but usually next year models are released month or two earlier...

Have someone seen it 'in flesh`??
 is it as good looking as it looks in pictures?
And what is the estimated price for GT model???

Jussi

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From: tcora@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Tom Coradeschi <tcora>)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 100+mpg/oil co.s buying them out
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:20:54 GMT
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ

bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971) writes:
>
>Several (at least 10) years ago I read an article on a plentum type 
>carb. that one of the automakers were testing on there v-8 engines.
>Acording to the article it claimed that gas milage tripled in city
>driving, there was on performance loss, however there was a problem
>with cold weather starting.  If that was 15 years ago on a v-8, and
>with 4 bangers getting 30+ mpgs today then 100 could be a realistic
>number.  Lets hear more about these suber carbs.

Right. So tell us: what's a "Plentum (Plenum?) Type" carburetor? How
does it work? What does it do to create such a dramatic increase in
fuel economy?

Enquiring Minds want to know.
-- 
 
                tom coradeschi    <+>    tcora@pica.army.mil
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Ford vs Chevy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:01:21 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

>>
>>  I have a really hard time believing that a 5.7 TPI small block gets
>>33 miles per gallon- maybe you meant 23???
>>
>>  Doug
>
>It's not a typo.  I didn't believe it either until I drove the car on several
>trips to verify this.  (Actually I did fib a little, the best I have gotten
>on a trip was 33, but usually I get 31-32.  That's cruising around 65 mph
>with an occasional stoplight every half-hour or so.)  The car gets considerably
>worse around town- (16-22mpg) and I'm sure that's solely because my driving 
>style gets rather aggressive.  It's all proportional to the way you drive.
>Why is it so hard to believe that American engineers can produce an affordable
>world-class sports car?  (Sigh.)
>Chris.

  I was wondering because I have a '88 305 small-block in my car that is FI 
and it doesn't get near that kind of gas mileage.  My friend with a '88 Z gets
worse mileage than I do since he has the TPI, and I get about 24-25MPG tops 
with the TBI.  It actually puts cars like the RX7 and 300ZXTT to shame since 
they only get about 25MPG tops and they don't have the low end of a V8.  I
think both of those cars turn high 13's as well but you can't find a new one
for under $20K :-)

  I checked the stats on '92 Z28s and depending on the options you have, 
you could have as low as a 2:73 rear axle (automatic std. Z28); however,
this is only for a 5.0 engine- it seems like the 5.7's have only a 3:23 rear 
end, which I don't think would get the same gas mileage as a 2:73 rear end for
highway driving.   Here's what I'm going by:

               3rd Generation Camaro Small Block V-8 Engine Guide

                                                             Rear Axle Ratio
Yr Model  Trans Eng  CR Displace    HP     Torque  Induct Manual     Automatic
          codes         Liter,ci                          std  opt  std  opt
--------------------------------------------------------------(G92)-----(G92)--

      ......

92 RS     M5,A4 LO3  9.3 5.0 305 170@4000 255@2400 TBI    3.08 ----  2.73  ----
92 Z28    M5,A4 LB9  9.3 5.0 305 205@4200 285@3200 TPI    3.08 ----  2.73  3.42
92 Z28    M5    LB9  9.3 5.0 305 230@4200 300@3200 TPI    ---- 3.42  ----  ----
92 Z28       A4 L98  9.3 5.7 350 245@4400 345@3200 TPI    ---- ----  ----  3.23


  So if you are getting 30+ MPG on the highway all the more power to you!
I'm just wondering if that's a fluke or something with a G92 Z28 :-)

  Doug
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From: jdm@sequent.com (Jeff Maurer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Comments on Subaru Legacy or Honda Civic 4wd
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:31:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Sep4.193114.4706
Distribution: or
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

I'm interested in hearing comments (negative or positive) on either a
'92/'93 Subaru Legacy LS wagon or the '90/'91 Honda Civic 4wd wagon.

Thanks,
jdm

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 If you spew and she bolts, it was never meant to be."  Wayne
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: What's a DOD number ?
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:22:10 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
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It's a player registration number for "Dungeons _or_ Dragons," 
a pared-down role-playing game for these tough economic times.

Joe
"Never take no cut offs and hurry along as fast as you can."
                      -- Donner Party survivor Virginia Reed