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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 18:40:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
-- 
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Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gideon Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Steve Young vs Randall Cunningham
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:49:46 GMT

ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>The 49ers would never have allowed a player of Keith Jackson's 
>caliber to walk. 

Unless his name was Ronnie Lott.


--Gidi

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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: WILDCARDS, READ THIS!
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 15 DEC 92 12:35:00    

In article <1gj0toINNm40@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, zombie@EBay.Sun.COM (zombie) writes...

>In article B9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu,  nrau@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Nicholas Naveen Rau) writes:
>[...]
>>
>>Suppose Washington loses to Philly next week (a very strng possiblity since
>>the Eagles are undefeated at home).
> 
>What a bunch of hooey!  That's like saying "I have flipped this coin X
>times, and every time it has come up heads.  Therefore, the next time
>I flip it, it will probably be heads again."

It isn't like that at all.

If you flip a coin 6 times (the number of home victories the Eagles 
have) and it came up heads each time you'd have to start wondering if 
maybe you had a 2 headed coin.

>Washington will stomp Philadelphia.

Don't know about this.  As a Packer fan, I hope the Redskins win.

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From: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: 49ers have the 'Ladies of Charity'
Reply-To: marshall@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 17:01:45 GMT

In article <BzFFM5.HEn@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mab50312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark A. Blickhan) writes:
>Browsing through this week's NFL statistics on clarinews, I noticed
>that the Niners achieved a feat last achieved by the '82 Chargers.
>
>Off Passing yards:  1st
>Def Passing yards:  28th
>
>The good ole days:  Fly the Friendly Skies: Air Coryell.
>The Bolts didn't win the SuperBowl with Dan Fouts (quite possibly, one
>of the greatest to toss a football) , Chandler, Joiner, and everyone else.

One difference between the '92 49ers and the '82 Chargers is that the
49ers are also 1st in rushing offense and 1st in rushing defense. There
are several schools of thought on the defensive stats. Either the 49ers'
run defense is really as good as the stats show, so teams think
"Geez, we can't run against these guys, we'd better pass" (and if they
do try to run, they end up in second-and-long and third-and-long,
leading to more passes, which leads to more total yards). Or, the 49ers'
run defense is really only average, but teams don't want to waste a 
chance to pass against the 49ers' weak secondary by running the ball.

I don't know if either of these schools of thought is correct, but you
have to be careful looking at these team stats. Also, keep in mind that
most teams have been playing catch-up against the 49ers, so they end up
passing a lot more, and the 49ers end up playing a lot more prevent
defense (OK, I'm making these statements without actually checking the 
league stats; my guess is that the 49ers also rank high in pass attempts 
allowed). So the pass defense rating is probably a little misleading
(which is not to dismiss the fact that the 49ers' secondary is not all
that good in reality; they just probably are not the worst in the league).
On the other side of the coin, since 49er opponents are usually playing
catch-up, they don't run the ball much, thus the rushing defense stats
look good. In reality, the 49ers are probably not the best team against
the run, although I'm sure they rank right up there among the best.

In any case, the most important stat is this one : 12-2.

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From: icsu0182@cs.montana.edu (Sean)
Subject: Re: Let's talk next years Draft.
Organization: Montana State University, Dept. of Computer Science, Bozeman MT 59717
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:41:16 GMT

In article <BzB7tK.M4J@ra.nrl.navy.mil> salas@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Miguel Salas) writes:
>Let's talk about next years Draft
>
># stuff like who will seattle draft etc... .
>
># who will be the sleeper in the draft etc... .
>
># who are the strong offensive linemen, def. linemen, ... .
>
>I think at this time we have a good general idea what teams will finish
>last and so on.
>
>
>
>- I will start with Hearst going to Seattle since they need alot help
>offensively and later the rest of their picks and trades will be for 
>offensive linemen.
>
>hope to here from you all

Well, lets not get ahead of ourselves...Hearst hasn't officially declared 
himself eligible for the draft yet...

Sean


-- 
Sean Reid                     |"Baseball is a rather simple game. You throw the 
Dept. of Computer Science     | ball, you hit the ball, you catch the ball...  
Montana State University      | Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. Sometimes
icsu0182@caesar@cs.montana.edu| it rains."    --  Eppy Calvin "NUKE" LaLouche
From: tehyang@aludra.usc.edu (Teh Kao Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Eagles beat Redskins, clinch playoffs
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:57:27 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In one of the biggest games of the year where both teams are fighting for
their playoff destiny... Philadelphia 17, Washington 13

The game was too close for comfort, but whenever the Eagles beat the hated
Redskins is a cause for celebration. 

Too bad Green Bay, cause Minnesota just beat Pittsburgh at well.

Playoffs, here we come!

-Teh Kao
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:23:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Was Dallas screwed? You make the call....
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

This is all crap.

If Aikman fumbled (big IF) then the ball is live.  Other players are allowed
to make a forward pass in this case since one has not already been made (there
is a rule against two forward passes on the same play).  Smith gets the ball.
Now, did he fumble or did he try to get a shovel pass off to another offensive
player?

Who knows.  All I can say is that the quality of the officiating has gone down
a great deal since the days before instant replay.  When instant replay came
along I think the zebras got a little lazy.  After all, they knew that the
guy in the booth could overturn calls he did not like.  Now, with replay 
gone, the zebras don't have a back-up when they blow the call.  There are 
only two answers here:

o bring back a form of replay that everyone can live with
o train the officials to do a better job and ream the shit out of those
  that are constant screw-ups.

Don Boell
"Just win baby"

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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: NFC East: Who Will Win the Division?
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:05:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.162636.32406@europa.asd.contel.com>, ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley) writes:
> In article 1@pembvax1.pembroke.edu,  harper@pembvax1.pembroke.edu writes:
> >
> >Also, picture this.  If (big IF) Washington Wins the next two and Dallas
> >lossess its next two (its possible) .  They will both have a 11-5 record, so
> >who will win the Division?  Could be very interesting!
> 
> Simple ... since the two teams split, the next tiebreaker is record within
> the division.  Under that scenario, the Redskins would only be 5-3 while
> the Cowboys have already concluded their division schedule with a 6-2 record.
> Therefore, division goes to the Cowboys ... *sigh* ... I knew that loss in
> Phoenix would come back to haunt us ...

Not so fast.  IF the Eagles beat the Redskins and the Giants, and IF the
Cowboys lose at Atlanta and at home against Chicago, both the Eagles and
Cowboys finish 11-5.  Head-to-head is a tie with both teams beating the
other at home.  Division record is a tie at 6-2 with both teams losing to
the other and at Washington.  But the conference record would go to the
Eagles and so would the NFC East!

If you think Cowboys fans are whining about that fumble call against
Washington now, they'd be ballistic if the above scenario took place.


E-A-G-L-E-S

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
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From: jmartens@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey D Martens)
Subject: Re: The Pack is Getting Closer!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:41:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.045337.2829@cnsvax.uwec.edu> jefforca@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

>I know that a lot of you people think I am some new asshole who is posting just
>because the packers have one 5 games in a row.  Well, this is untrue.  I only
>posted because I can actually feel the desperation in the postings of Vikings
>fans and think it is truly funny.  I figured I would rip on their team and
>hopefully get a few MUDDUCKS pissed at me.  I don't care.  I live only 75 miles
>away from Minnesota (Land of 10000 puddles) and have had to listen to all the
>MUDDUCKS tell me how great the Vikings were after the overtime 23-20 victory in
>week one.  Well now we're possibly looking at a much bigger game in week 17. 
>Look out MUDDUCKS, we're gonna get ya!!!

Actually, I'd rather have 10k lakes than 10k toxic waste dumps.
Minnesota's much nicer in many respects than most states.

OK, look, I'm a Packer fan.  I agree that the Packers got closer
to the playoffs this week with the win in Houston and the Vikings'
loss.  But I've read many of the posts by Viking fans and think
many--if not most--of them didn't exactly seem filled with
despair.  The Vikings will probably beat the Steelers this
weekend, and Green Bay will probably beat the Rams.  Thus, expect
the Vikings in the playoffs.  

Green Bay?  I hope so.  We'll see.  in the meantime, what's the
point in slandering the Vikings?  Green Bay may or may not be
better than Minnesota at this point (we'll get an indication of
that in about a week and a half), but the Vikings have played a
bit better over the course of the season.  Us packer fans have to
live with that fact (or, alternatively, look a bit silly--like the
49er fans last year saying that SF *deserved* to be in the
playoffs even though they didn't win enough games to get in).

>HERE'S TO THE 11 TIME WORLD CHAMPION GREEN BAY PACKERS.

Hear, hear.

>p.s. All you MUDDUCKS who say it was a long time since the Pack won one of
>those world championships, I have but one thing to say:
>0-4 in the Super Bowl...Nuff Said

So what you're saying is that the Vikings have won the NFL/NFC
twice as often as the Pack since '66.  Sad, but true.


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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:10:49 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.211108.3267@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh) writes:
>
>i do not believe a wild card team has EVER made it to the superbowl...

>a wild card team has made it to the superbowl... i remember hearing a
>couple years ago that no AFC wildcard team has ever made it to the

Wrong conference, I think.  The Raiders won the SuperBowl in the
early 80's as a wildcard (the Lester Hayes Stick-um years).  And
the wild-card Patriots lost to the Bears in '86.




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Subject: Browns Lose to the Lions
From: bggreenberg@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Brian Greenberg)
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:40:45 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

Well the Browns lost a horribly played game to the Lions today 24-14.  This
practically killed their playoffs hopes.  I personally saw the Brown's winning
the AFC Central but alas this won't happen.  Worst of all to get into the
playoffs the Browns have to rely on fate as well as their playing.

But back to the game.  This loss was due to many reasons a few which I believe
were the biggest ones:

First off all, the interception Kosar threw at the end of the first half.  Yes,
Tilman was open but you can't throw the ball underhand and expect anything good
to happen.

Second there was the fumble by Tilman.  Tilman was just trying for some extra
hardage and was hit and lost the ball.  This would have been a 20 yard catch on
3rd down and would have kept the Browns drive going.  At this point Cleveland
wass only down by 7.  (If I remember correctly.

Third, penalties!  There is no excuse for this.  Cleveland continually
jumped offsides, and twice it was on third and short to give the Lions a first
down during scoring drives.

Fourth (and I believe most of all), COACHING!!!!!  With about 11 minutes left
the Lions got the ball back up by 14.  Cleveland never once called a timeout
and when they got the ball back they were down by 17 with only 3:40 left.  I
can see saving time outs for the end, but with 7 minutes left they should have
started calling time outs, in my opinoin.

Well these are my gripes, feel free to flame away.
-Brian

+--------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
| Brian G. Greenberg                   | "Well, let's just say I ran half  |
| Summer: bl375@po.cwru.edu            |  a bluff."                        |
| Fall: bg4nsanu@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu |   -Brady Hawks, The Gambler       |
|                   or                 |                                   |
|   bggreenberg@maivx1.acs.muohio.edu  |            GO BROWNS!!!           |
+--------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Butler and the Pack
Date: 11 Dec 1992 20:33:15 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

>>It is an isolated incident in Butler's career. In his 3 years in the NFL hes
>
>Ahem.. Butler is a rookie! 
   
   Uhhh, Ronnie, you're showing the cognitive ability of another Ronnie
   (Reagan) with this comment. Butler is *not* a rookie. He was drafted in
   the second round in '90 and this is his third year in the league.

   Anyway, he got what he deserved. The only bad thing about this is that
   many other players haven't also got what they deserved. He was made an
   example of by the league, and unfortunately (for Packer fans) it came in
   the midst of a playoff run with the Pack facing probably the one team
   in the league that you most wouldn't want to be missing a DB against.

   You won't find any crying coming from me, good teams find a way to win
   when adversity strikes. It'll hurt to lose Butler, but Green Bay still
   has enough talent to win if they stay away from mistakes while keeping
   their intensity up.

   --salty


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From: hariharn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ramesh Hariharan)
Subject: Re: `Redskins Repeat !!!
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: To all non-Redskin fans, after the Redskins beat up on the Cowboys this 
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:00:08 GMT

In article <XaR=Y4-@engin.umich.edu> sudhama@engin.umich.edu (Sudhama Gopalan) writes:
>In article <Bz43LI.Cuv@andy.bgsu.edu> dlingle@orchestra.bgsu.edu (Donald Lingle) writes:
>>Sunday, Beware Of The Super Bowl Champs!
>>    I will agree that the Skins are having an up and down season thus far.  But 
>>if we beat the Cowboys this Sunday, you must agree that the Redskins will look 
>>pretty good for repeating as Super Bowl Champs.
>>    The skins have had a bunch of injuries, combined with the late pre-season 
>>start of Mark Rypien.  Some of our players are now returning, (Darrell Green,
>>Jim Lachey), and Rypien's coming out of his slump.
>>    I'm happy to see the Cowboys and Redskins games now mean something.  Before
>>last year, Cowboy fans would hide the week before a Redskin vs. Cowboys game. 
>>As for the 49ers, Vikings, Eagles, Packers, & Saints, I know you would love to 
>>go get a easy Super Bowl victory against an AFC team, but you'll have to wait 
>>for Joe Gibbs to retire or better yet, coach your team.
>>    Well, good luck to all NFL fans.  I am just "touring" the user group.  This
>>id actually belongs to a Pittsburgh Steeler's Fan.
>
>
>Well, I too hope the 'Skins thrash the Cowpokes. Personally, I don't care for/
>hate either. All I'm concerned about is the 49ers - more specifically Montana.
>I'm one of those weirdos who has never seen Montana in action - here's hoping
>the 49ers secure home field advantage before their last game so that I can have
>the pleasure of watching Joe for the first time.
>

Joe who ?

:-) 
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Ramesh Hariharan , Chem Engg. Dept., Princeton Univ. 
Research topic : Stabilization of Colloids using diblock copolymers.
Research baap : Bill Russel (no ! not the Celtic legend)
From: hall@dallas.jsc.nasa.gov (Philip Hall 283-4031)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Saints fans?
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:24:55 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: MDSSC

In article <101540@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
|> Hey,
|> 
|> What happened to all the Saints fans??  It's no fun hearing woofing only
|> from Packer/Vikings/Cowboys fans!!
|> 
|> Seriously though, what's the offensive call for this week?  Hebert was
|> airing them out a few weeks ago but then they got conservative again 
|> (offense has scored only 1 TD in 10 quarters while defense has scored
|> 3).
|> 
|> Any way the GIANTS could take W. Martin off your hands???
|> 
|> 
|> satish nair
|> go giants

Well, there's always a price - say 1st round draft choice for the next
ten years?

As to the offense, I expect to see the next few games dedicated to
working on the running game - maybe using Ironhead more. In my opinion,
that's what is needed in order to beat the 49ers.

Playoff prediction:

1st round
Saints beat Redskins
Iggles beat Vikings

2nd round
Saints beat Cowboys
49ers beat Iggles

Then the promised showdown on the Bay:

Saints 20 49ers 10

and NO breaks out in a party that lasts 3 months.

The players sober up sufficiently to dispatch the AFC sacrificial
lamb amd then continue the party that makes the orgies of Ancient
Rome look like the Queen's tea party.

Philip Hall
GEAUX SAINTS!!!
From: teg@cci632.cci.com (Thomas Gauger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Why do the Bills suck now?
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:03:20 GMT
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY

In article <27000173@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:
>Inquiring minds want to know if Tegger has had a stroke yet B) 

In a word, NO!!!!!

>Will Levy be the next scapegoat?

In a word, NO!!!!!

>Can Loften catch a pass?

In a word, NO!!!!!

>Stay tuned ... same Jill time
>Same Jill channel.

In a word, NO!!!!!

Boy am I getting redundant
Boy am I getting redundant

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 Saints: 23

GOD, I HATE WHEN THE SAINTS COME MARCHING IN!!!!!
From: harrisl@unssun.nevada.edu (Larry Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Call against the Vikes
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:56:05 GMT
Reply-To: harrisl@unssun.UUCP (Larry Harris)
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Nevada-Reno

In article <101891@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>During he 49ers/Vikes games as Terry Allen was rushing for a possible first 
>down, he was stopped short and a 9ers defensive lineman grabbed him by the
>legs and lifted him up.  Flags flew.  The foul was against ... Terry Allen??
>
>Did anyone else see this?  Did Allen do anything that warranted a foul??
>
>Not a flame but just curious...
>
Satish,

This is only MHO, but it appeared that Allen may have kicked the defensive
lineman in his cup area. This may be the reason why he was holding both of
Allens' legs firmly, lifting him up to keep his flinging feet out of harms
way. This may also be the reason the DL was yelling at Allen, and why Allen
was sheepishly moving and sidestepping away from the DL.

BTW, I for the life of me can't remember who the DL was that almost everyone
is calling an asshole or DL. Even the announcers were focused more on the
instant reply and who didn't do what to whom.


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I jammed it down into low, but it made no difference and braced for a serious
impact, a crash that would probably kill me.....
"My heart was full of joy as I took the first hit, which was oddly soft and
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