From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
Newsgroups: ba.politics,ca.politics
Subject: Your Right it is the (Re: The usual)
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:25:40 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
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In article <1992Nov17.180532.5228@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
>
>Tim, you (and others with the same misconceptions) must learn that there is
>a HUGE difference between hate, phobias, and a strong dislike.
>

So let's get down to the nitty gritty definitions-

For Example- phobia = A strong fear, adversion or dislike.  Now about you say
there is a HUGE difference between phobia and strong dislike, there seems to
be a definitional inconsistency here.

Now let's look at the word 'hate', to feel dislike or distaste for. Now if we 
look at this defintion it seems to imply 'strong dislike', and if we carry it
one more step- and use phobia then it means that you or I have a strong dislike
for some particular thing, e.g. hydrophobia strong dislike of water.

I would suggest that you select your words usages more carefully or clarify your
usage of words (in context).

>For example, I do not date obese women. I consider obesity to be very
>unappealing. yet, I can't think fo a single fat woman that I hate.

I thought you were married?

But you may hate them being fat, correct?  How do you then make sure that you
do not transpose the dislike of an object to a person?  What would you do if
you met a women, whom we will say is 'fat', and for reasons unknown to you
you fall in love with her?  Now how do you solve the dilemma. 

>
>Considering that per Kinsey, the LIFETIME AVERAGE number of partners for women
>and men are on the order of less than 12 each (6 and 9? 3 and 6?) or
>thereabouts (exact figures unavailable right now), can you understand
>that 1 or two partners a WEEK (50 to 100 a YEAR, 1500 to 3000 in 30 years)
>is considered disgusting by many?
>

Well what I can understand is the process of moral judgemenet going on.  If 
we take ourselves at the basic instinctual level, we seem to be attract sexually
to many different people during our lifetimes... some of us more some of us less.
If someone who is more decides to act upon it, and finds willing partners then
I see no basic problem, unless you wish to project a moral or legal boundary for
some unknown reason.  Actually the reason is probably centered around insecurity
and fear of being left for someone else.  If we did not condemn the actions of
those whom we consider promiscuous, then we would feel threatened, becuase in the
end we do not trust ourselves or others that we feel should be loyal to us.

>For many people, sex is part of a continuum of a relationship with another
>person and part of a total relationship -- one that is built over time
>and not part of "1 or 2 partners" a week.
>

This is probably true for some people- most people it turns out are sexually
dysfunctional because we chose as a society to make sure and hide and cover
up sexuality and leave people adrift to find out about sex on the street
or from their peers etc.

>
>I've read where Michael Douglas, the actor, has a "situation" where he
>beds 1 or 2 (or more) different women a week. I find that disgusting as
>well.
>
>Make no mistake, it is perfectly moral to bed as many adults as you can
>get to agree with it, 1 per lifetime, or 1 per hour, it is all moral.
>
>But moral is not approval nor liking.
>

Boy this one is tough- you have changed the very meaning of the word 'moral'
Let me make a short dictionary defintion of the word moral.

Moral: Of or concerned with the judgement principles of right and wrong in relation
ship to human action and character.

I have to call you STRONGLY on this one.  Look! if you want to convey your ideas and
concepts, then you are going to have to follow some basic rules about defintions of
words.  This stuff about morality may be based upon what you think the defintions is
but in the end the defintion is as society and scholars have decided.  Look up the 
word moral.

>We all eat food, yet, to constantly stuff one's face is disgusting.
>
>People that need to use certain drugs (the illegal kind) -- what they
>do too is moral, yet disgusting.
>
>
>Get used to it -- it's part of being legal. What you do (if one is homosexual)
>is moral, yet considered disgusting by many people. That is their
>right to feel that way as much as it it your right to fuck what you want.
>
>It's not hate, it's not fear, it's not a phobia. It is just dislike.
>

Quite wrong- the way you look at things may very well fit into your above 
arguments.  You want to change the defintions of words for yourself- that is
fine, but the majority of people tend to use the definitions of words as 
they are defined in our lexicons.

Here is an example (simple) in which the same idea is expressed;

I hate washing dishes.
I dislike washing dishes.
I strongly dislike washing dishes.
I have a phobia about washing dishes.
I have a fear of washing dishes.

What is the difference in the above statements?   Degree of dislike, that is the difference.
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