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From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kauta)
Subject: Re: The CIA connection...
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:24:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.154503.28020@newshost.unh.edu> llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius) writes:
>Could the CIA be trying to put a more human face to
>its name after the fiasco of the Iran-Contra affair?
>
>If it is true that they own the air charter service
>from Miami, then one must wonder what their true
>intentions are in all this...are they in this for
>the money? I hope not...but at least they have made
>their airplanes  available to aid agencies to help
>feed the people of Somalia, in (sharp?) contrast to
>what the US government seems to be doing...
>-- 

Would you care to explain to us all what you are talking about????
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Good books on African-American history?
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:28:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsk.1992Sep29.192858.15894
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep28.212954.33@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
>
>"The Black West" is also worthwhile reading.  More info on that one
>tomorrow.
>
	The author's name is:       William Loren Katz
	He also wrote "Black Indians", about how the history of
	relations between Af-Ams and Nat-Ams in the context of
	U.S. history, and "Breaking the Chains", a history of slave
	revolts in North America.
>
>Keith
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:55:36 -0400 
From: Dean Calloway <dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Marxism (was Re: Pessimism

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 27-Sep-92 Marxism
(was Re: Pessimism by Mr Aaron Barnhart@gagme. 
> Preeeech.  ("And who is one's own?" said Jesus.  It's your neighbor,
> regardless of skin, money, gender, or otherwise.)

Its funny how many of us seem to be stuck in the same neighborhoods, and
often those which are plagued by decaying infrastructures and looked on
with apathy by the federal govt.

Just a view.

DCAL

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Subject: Military as an honorable profession
Organization: North Carolina State University
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:09:44 GMT


<afadel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ayman Fadel) writes
<Greetings,

<I saw earlier this year how Colin Powell was going to
<have a ceremony for the Buffalo soldiers.  I always here
<Af-ams say, in response to Eur-ams who question their
<patriotism, "We fought in all the U.S.'s wars."  I was
<in the Atlanta airport sometime last year when I saw
<this big family with about 9 grandchildren welcoming
<their *grandmother* back from the war in Iraq.
[comments deleted]
<The question I'm trying to ask is, "Why does it seem
<that so much attention in Af-am history is given
<to Af-ams in the U.S. military?"
<
<A related question is, "Should the military be considered
<an honorable profession, or is it just something to
<do to put bread on the table?"

As to the first question: considerable attention is paid because in many
people's minds, being in combat for a country gives you a legitmate claim to
belong to that country.  I say that in the context of many immigrant families
today still send at least one child into the armed force.  

Maybe it harkens back to what Thomas Jefferson said, `the tree of liberty must
at times be refreshed with the blood of free men'.  Or something to that
effect.  

Proudly proclaiming past service by members of the community defeats attempts
by ignorant(not necessarily stupid) folks to denirate(sp) the patriotism of
blacks.  It also goes a modest ways to proving that the US would not be what
she is if not for non-whites...(& not just slavery thanks).    

Question 2: Is the military an honorable profession?  Answer: Yes it is.  It
serves many purposes, not including economic ones.  The military as it strives
to be, is one of the most effimently professional lives you can become a part
of.  For those who treat it as a profession, and not just a ticket to college,
it becomes part of their lives.  The Army (no direct experience in the other
three) still has room for evolving with our society, but I have found that it
generally leads the way in many types of social re-engineering.  The most
obvious digression on that is women in combat roles, but that probably belongs
in soc.women.  The main justification for the question I see, is...how can a
profession dedicated to kill others be honorable?

Maybe this is not the place to answer, but a short version could be--there are
still many real forces in the world that would if they could, bring the US to
catastrophy.  We as a group prevent that, as a nation that is what you hire us
for, pay us for, and in the end hopefully honor us for.




He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: A Matter of a Will
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:48:30 GMT

In article <92276.145820FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>,
<FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad writes:
>After reading the paper this morning, along w/ watching the news coverage
>on this topic, I was very displeased to see most of Alex Haley's artifacts
>auctioned off to pay for debts to the State of Tennessee (I believe).  Most
>of his memoires included conservations w/ Malcolm X, his works on Roots, and
>other "priceless" items.
>
>I'm not sure how much bad debt he may have had, but someone would think he
>would have a will to stop the "vultures" at the auction over his estate.
>I know that it is too late to do anything about that now, but I can't under-
>stand why someone (friend, family, enemy, or whatever) would have to told
>him to have a will. At least his artifacts would remain w/ whoever he deemed
>important. If I remember, he had 1.5M in debt. It appears, after the auction,
>only $100K was raised. Surely his stuff was more than the money "made" on this
>auction.
.
.
No, babe.  The message is, don't let that platinum American Express
card run your life.  Haley let it happen that way.
.
Haley never knew how much money he really had. He bought and bought
and bought like there was no tomorrow.
.
The Haley Estate owes about $900,000 to a bank, and then $650,000 to
Wife Number One and Wife Number Three in alimony... His brother, the
executor, is arranging the auction.
.
A lotta people are pissed off at this dead man for not taking care
of business.  He bought that farm without thinking of the cost of
upkeep (for 5 cottages on the premises, $40,000 in gas and
electricity, for instance).
.
The auction happens next month. Black scholars are now pleading that
some of these artifacts be given to black museums and collections.
They don't have any buckos either.
.
Someone said in the article I read that maybe Cosby or Oprah might
bail out the place and buy the estate entire.  Which fits into my
vision of creating a place where Black creative artists, writers,
scholars can kick back and do what they do best.  Do that
foundation, do that nonprofit tango...you know what I mean. On top
of that, it would be an excellent place for conventions,
convocations, etc.
.
Wish I had about 3 million <heavy, heavy sigh>.  Unfortunately, I
see Chicken George's hat decorating Robert Redford's head about 3
weeks from now.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:9598 alt.rap:4814
From: kbevans@athena.mit.edu (Kbev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.rap
Subject: NSBE Night at Apollo
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:42:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Sep30.194259.11295
Distribution: usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology


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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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===========

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                April 2nd!!!


 Stay tuned for details! It is sure to be dope!

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From: cwm54@cas.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: National flag for blacks
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:34:01 GMT
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio


       In todays Columbus Dispatch(pronounced Disgrace) is an article
    about a black veteran who has unfurled an african american flag.
    It seems while at a VA hospital Floyd Decker experienced just
    one of those indignities that is our lot. A fellow white vet
    said something like, "Your race of people haven't got nothing."
    Then pointing to Old Glory flying above the VA he said, "We got
    that to represent us, but you people don't have nothing." Hence
    the new flag.


	    [my thoughts]
    Fifty years ago German soldiers laughed at African American soldiers
    because the German prisoners had heated,pleasant accommodations in
    trains while blacks served them then went back to a miserable box car.

       I disagree with our black leaders who argue with whites that we
    are AS patriotic as they. How could we be?


			       Carlyle



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      My opinions only and not those of CAS
From: price@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory Neil Price)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Correction: Black Contractarian
Date: 6 Oct 1992 21:41:30 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: soc
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30

Dear SCAA Readers:



The previous article I posted includes commentary from the same article
above it. Please excuse the error, as well as typos.



Sincerely,


G. N. Price 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Africans in the Military (Was Re: Good books on African-American history?)
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:39:29 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1992Sep28.022050.6065@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> by afadel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ayman Fadel):

> In article <jumper.717539496@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham) writes:
> >das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
> >
> >>As the title says, I would like recommendations for good books on
> >>Africa-American history.
> >
> >>Thank you,
> >
> >>Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 
> >
> >An outstanding book on American military history as influenced by blacks and
> >seen from the non-white perspective is _Strength for the Fight_.  I think if
> >more of the facts shown in the book were known, we would all realize a few
> >things.  I found the book at my university book store but do not have the
> >author's name, etc.
> 
> I intend to try to read this book.
> 
> At the same time, I often think that if I was an af-am that I'd
> be rather ambiguous in my feelings about 
> Af-Ams in the U.S. military.  For example, many Egyptians fought
> with the Engish colonialists against the Sudanese in the beginning
> of the 20th century and late 19th century.  And many Moroccans
> and Algerians fought with the French in WW1 (France had colonized
> them.)  Yet I've never heard any person or historian from these
> countries discuss this with any type of feeling except, "We
> did the dirty work for these people again."

Don't forget the Black American troops who fought with the French in WWI.  They
used French weapons and equipment, so they might not be recognized in photos by
people who don't know what to look for.  One of my great uncles was in France
in WWI, but I think he was under US command.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: carroll@cs.uiuc.edu (Alan M. Carroll)
Subject: Re: Pessimism
Organization: Technophiles Inc. - Engineers with Attitude
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 01:47:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.002425.25683@morrow.stanford.edu>, HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
> And who created this situation?  Not blacks, mind you. 

That's right, not a single black was in the U.S. government in the
last 12 years.

> I speak of
> 12 years of Reagan and Bush.  They built up the military by
> mortgaging the present and the future, and burnt up money in the
> Persian Gulf on bombing raids.  Is there any reason why we don't
> have any kind of money or program to get this infrastructure
> straightened out and people working?

Lots of reasons, but you'll never believe them. You might want deal
with some actual numbers. First off, if you look at actual spending
you'd see that the alledged Reagan military buildup wasn't all that
large, and that it started under Carter. Since Bush took office,
government spending as exploded, growing over 40%. Yet military
spending has been steady or declining the entire time. The Persian
Gulf was paid for to a large extent by our allies. It's convienent to
blame the DoD for the budget deficits, but hardly accurate (certainly
less than believable when the deficit is larger than the entire DoD
budget!)

I could explain that government doesn't create jobs. It just takes
money from other people and businesses, puts most of it in some
political sleaze's pocket and hires a few people with the dregs. I
find it sadly ironic that the same people who complain about how the
U.S. government is such a cesspool of white racists bent on oppressing
blacks want to turn over control of the economy to that very same
group of people.

-- 
Alan M. Carroll          "Weren't there yams involved, too?" - J. Ockerbloom
Epoch Development Team   
Urbana Il.               "I hate shopping with the reality-impaired" - Susan
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Have you got that VIBE?
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:26:38 GMT
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

I LOVE that magazine!  Finally, the magazine that caters to me! (well, at least  
for the most part ...)  Has anyone else seen it?  I've already put my card in  
the mail for a subscription!

Donald - Nigger Stompin' African!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Marxism (was Re: Pessimism
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 04:37:07 GMT

This is in reply to cwm54@cas.org (), who wrote:
:
:	In a capitalist society there are always going to be fewer jobs
:     than workers. It is the nature of competition. If I "pull myself
:     up by my own bootstraps" I necessarily displace someone else down
:     to my previous position. When I open a restaurant someone else
:     goes out of business because there are only so many dollars to be
:     spent on entertainment. These are the cold hard facts. But you NEVER
:     hear those with a voice explain this reality. This is the core of
:     the problem.

[... and:]
:
:	  In short if everyone in this country has a college education
:      then college grads will be cleaning toilets and sweeping streets,
:      and guess who that will be. Until Americans admit that because of
:      our economic system(I make no judgements on the right or wrong of
:      it),"the poor will always be with us" and because of racism the poor
:      will always be disproportinately black; and poverty breeds violence.
:      I don't see americans having the will or ability to understand these
:      cause and effect relationships.If everyone on the welfare roles was
:      "trained", there would be no work for them.( Why can't we be honest?)


It's very hard to say to someone like you, Carlyle, who obviously
accepts the Marxist outlook on these things as the closest to telling
it like it is that in fact it ain't.

I passionately believe, as does any good parent over in Japan, that
if today's kids are all educated it will *create* jobs.  That's the one
reason to hang onto Jack Kemp with all his shortcomings, unseemly
affiliations, and conservatism: because he really thinks there's room
for everybody to be their best (at least philosophically this is his
message).  I do too.

You *are* making "judgments on the right or wrong of ... our economic
system" because you don't believe in capitalism tenet of expansion,
in fact hold strong to the opposite view, which is that the proles
only have so much to take, and if one swipes a job, why, some other
poor slob is out his.

That's not to take away the insult of life as it is.  Just to say
that we don't all call that view "reality," it is actually what you
first called it, pessimism.

:	  At any rate we must inspire our young to achieve while balancing
:      that inspiration with reality. If one fights racism one's career is
:      slowed(I know first hand), but if one doesn't fight it, one's dignity
:      is gone. If one turns on his own one's climb up the ladder is meteoric.
:

Preeeech.  ("And who is one's own?" said Jesus.  It's your neighbor,
regardless of skin, money, gender, or otherwise.)

*That's* thw word we can all use, man.  Good luck wherever you're
going, and stay closer to your inspiration than your "reality," cuz
I think it'll take you a long way.  Just my view.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Subject: Re: Boycott "Rhythm & Blues"
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:52:21 GMT

In article <92268.071028KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
$  There is a new show starting tonight called "Rhythm and Blues" on NBC.
$Please don't watch this trash.  The basic premise is one of a failing Black
$radio station in Detroit run by a Black woman (Anna Maria Horsford), who takes
$on a new DJ in hopes of saving the station.  Of course the new DJ, though
$"sounding" Black, is white as snow.  He, of course, is the savior of the radio
$station.
$ I am tired of shows and movies which show that the Black race cannot survive
$without the white man coming to save the day, and this show is not too subtle
$in driving home this point.  So watch "A Different World" and switch over to
$"Martin".  This kind of show (R&B) has to have a short life, so boycott it!

Better yet, stop watchin TV and go read a book.  Or go be with your
woman.  Or go play around with your computer.  Or better yet, develop
your own TV series.  But most importantly, don't wait for white TV to
give black folx somethin positive to watch, cos it won't se la be
happenin.


-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
				            	    moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
	"Arresk the Presidink!"
				-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
From: jumper@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Lanham)
Subject: Prejudice vs racism
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:08:55 GMT

I had an instructor in a Minorities and Women in English Lit class once ask
the following question:

Is there a difference between prejudice and racism? 


The context was of a sequence of stories about a character called Jesse B.
Symple and I forget the author.  The class had a fairly lively discussion and
tentatively reached a conclusion of yes there is a difference.  

What of it?  Is there?  If so what defines the difference?  How much of
difference in semantics and degree does it take to call one act prejudice and
the other racist?


He who will not reason, is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool;
and he who dares not is a slave.      --- Sir William Drummond

Michael Lanham       mjlanham@eos.ncsu.edu   &  jumper@catt.ncsu.edu
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: re: Stockdale and Racism
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:57:48 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.

Stephen D. Tice seems to find contradiction
where none necessarily exists.  Stockdale
may very easily be a Fellow at Hoover and on the 
Board at Rockford.  He may easily have left
the Citadel because he opposed hazing but may
have been indifferent to racism or sexism.

I don't know what the facts are and I'm going to
try to find out.  Here I'm only interested in
being logical.

NM
From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Good books on African-American history?
Date: 25 Sep 92 20:21:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

As the title says, I would like recommendations for good books on
Africa-American history.

Thank you,

Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.boeing.com  // or uunet!bcstec!voodoo!das 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: In the wrong place, at the wrong time
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:52:43 GMT

:Dear Abby,
:
:Okay, check this out.  Last week, some gang members walked into the
:Pizza Shack, a local cop hangout located in the pseudo-"hood" of
:Minneapolis, and shot a cop dead in the back,
:killing him.  There was no confrontation or anything.  The dudes just
:came up and straight jacked him.  The police officer's name was Jerry
:Haaf.  If you knew this, then good.  If you didn't, well, now you
:know.
:
:A somewhat predictable chain of events has happened since the shooting
:of Officer Haaf.  But let me break down to you some of the things that
:had been happening between gangs and police before the shooting.
:
:Most of the gangs had united under United For Peace (UFP) to help stop
:inter-gang violence.  Minneapolis assistant police chief David
:Dobrotka has been keeping channels open between the police and the
:gangs so as to come to at least an understanding between them.  Gang
:members, 'specially the UFP leader Sharif Willis, praised Dobrotka for
:his efforts.
:
:So what do yall think?  Is it a big deal over something trivial or do
:these people actually got a beef (the po-lice of course)?
:
:RACIALLY TORN IN MINNEAPOLIS

Dear Racially,

You would think that death would *always* be a big deal no matter
who was doin the dyin, but it's not.

I think Jesse has (as they say) "made some progress in the crisis,"
but it will indeed be for naught if the UFP-MPD pact falls through.
I say that gets top priority, and that police attempts to undermine
it should be condemned by the Mayor and anyone else who can make a
difference in the Cities.

Yeah, it's pragmatic advice, but if the cops know what's good for
them they'll back the peace.  Maybe your kids and my kids will figure
out how to convince the powers that be that a dead body is the same
loss, black, white, rich, whatever.

[INSERT STANDARD ADVICE TO SEEK THERAPY]

Aaron