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From: fiedler@netcom.com (Dragon (David Fiedler))
Subject: Re: Tha Bizness.
Organization: InfoPro Systems: Writers, Consultants, and Dragons
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:01:34 GMT

gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner) writes:

>In article <0105009A.l1ojqo@david.roth-music.com> david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) writes:
>>This is true but in the quiet evenings while all is asleep you will
>>be the one who sits and thinks of what could have been.

>Equally, you may be a struggling musician, thinking on the quiet
>evenings about your friends in other professions, who are making
>decent incomes.  I have a friend who is an aspiring actor who is going
>through this.  He is thinking about going back to law school.

Sorry, I consider this excessivley negative. Your friend might just be on
the verge of becoming the next Tom Cruise or something. The world really
doesn't need another lawyer, you know, but a good actor, musician, or
other creative person can brighten millions of lives.

Personally, I have been playing guitar for 25 years, just screwing around
on cheap equipment. Recently I invested in good equipment and almost
overnight started playing better than ever. I couldn't help wondering what
might have happened if I had done this long ago. OTOH, I see lots of blues
artists who didn't really get their start till late in life, so I don't
think it's too late for me yet. Luckily, I'm not trying to play
Nirvana-style rock, since old farts aren't welcome in *that* scene...

>Yes, I agree that this applies to anything.  However, for several
>reasons, breaking into the music business is much more difficult and
>there is very little security, unlike becoming a doctor, opening a
>store, etc.  This is not to say that no one should try, but that they
>should have a clear plan of action (and also an understanding that
>they may not make it, and that they'll need to fall back on something
>else if they don't).

This is certainly true!
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From: cotteril@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Cliff Cotteril)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:41:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Maxi Priest
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky

> 
> Oh yeah, Jet magazine says to look for Sade's "Love Deluxe" tour coming
> in early '93...She's got more than enough hits to make a *fly* concert!!
>
                                                         RJ


  Was the Sade concert tour schedule listed in Jet?


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From: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Subject: Re: Tha Bizness.
Originator: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu
Reply-To: gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Organization: in your face!
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 21:32:35 GMT

In article <BzBo8H.Gvn@world.std.com> LindaMc@world.std.com (Linda M McInnis) writes:
>If you want to play music for a living, fine
>are you willing to starve for a while to do it?  Are you
>willing to compromise and spend part of your time working
>at non-music so you can do music?

One of the points I have been trying to make in this thread is that
for doctors, lawyers, etc., this is often not a consideration.  Your
average doctor, lawyer, etc. does not have to starve for a while
practicing for little or no pay, nor do they have to work at non-law,
non-medicine, etc., to support themselves in the interim.  This alone
makes the nature of music work different than law, medicine, etc.
This level of compromise and sacrifice is generally not present in
professions where one can make a regular income once they enter the
field.

--gregbo
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From: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,alt.rap,alt.rave
Subject: Re: Tha Bizness.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 12:52:10 EST
Organization: DAVID A. ROTH MUSIC
Reply-To: david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4


In article <1992Nov19.055235.3673@ultb.isc.rit.edu> (rec.music.funky,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,alt.rap,alt.rave), klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (K-Mello SGP '92) writes:
> 
> In article <BxxF5n.LGJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.) writes:
> >In article <1992Nov18.082602.10581@ultb.isc.rit.edu> klm3298@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
> >>
> 
> I don't know if you are talking about the freedom to say what you want on
> records, or being alive, but either way I ain't goin' out like no sucker.  But
> what I'm talkin' about is looking at this shit like an athlete should; there's
> at least a 100 mu'fuckas out there that don't get a contract for every one that
> does get a contract.  I'm talking about having some other means of supporting
> my future family if I don't make enough in the biz.  I know a guy now that has
> a record store that gets all kinds of shit, and he's been doing it for years,
> with 2 stores at 1 time, now only 1, but he would like to open another one
> again.  He also has a day job, to help put food on the table for his family. 
> That's what I'm talking about.  You can't always think about just yourself.

This is true but in the quiet evenings while all is asleep you will
be the one who sits and thinks of what could have been.  After they
put you in the ground you can't hit stop/rewind on your life.  If
you want something bad enough you will find a way to do it within
your own means.  If your family and friends support your activities
that's great but if they don't you are just going to have to do it
without them.  The thing is, no one will care about it more than you.
If you let thoughts like, "What if I don't make it...", then you never
will.  This applies to anything.  Starting your own business, opening
up a store front, becoming a doctor, teaching children, joining the
miltary, etc.  By the way, for those of you that have not given it
much thought, going into music *is* starting a new business and you
damn better conduct yourself that way if you want to stay in it or
anything you do.  Get use to talking to attorneys, accountants and
other suits.

Best regards,

David
david@roth-music.com

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From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (U.F.Orb)
Subject: Re: Enigma re-release??
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:26:06 GMT

David Brady <Brady_David@Tandem.Com> writes:

You know - I saw the same sort of thing.  I was wandering through Tower Records
and noticed a big display of Enigma cds sitting in the front of the store.  Why
are they pushing it again?  Anybody know?

I think a song by them (err, *him*) was in the movie "1492", which could
explain this....
-- 
Jason Bilsky   fuzzbox@world.std.com 
"Got enough guilt to start my own religion."
From: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: Track from SOS "Am I the Same Girl?"
Date: 17 Dec 92 11:19:10 GMT
Reply-To: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <1992Dec17.020523.1798@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu (Ronald Johnson) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec16.214316.25885@news.Hawaii.Edu> gregbb@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gregory B. Beuthin) writes:
|> 
|> >>> 
|>  I found out I *don't* want Allison Limerick.
|> >
|> Greg Boyteen" Beuthin             | Respect....              ___   Keep 
|> 
|> Alison Limerick has an album out?? Ive heard talk about one ever since her
|> "Where Love Lives" and that other single came out, but I havent heard anything
|> else, so i just assumed it never came out...Is it all that bad?? I always saw
|> her as being a talented singer...
|>  
  
 Being a talented singer isn't enough. You got to have some good tunes to sing.
 Unfortunately, there are not many good tunes on the album:(. I rate "Where love
 lives" as the best , but probably because it's produced by a guy from Sweden :)
 
|>                                                                    RJ

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From: boarjas@elof.iit.edu (Jason Boardman)
Subject: **QUICK SINEAD SURVEY PLEASE ANSWER**
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 17:05:40 GMT


*****  SIMPLE SURVEY -- PLEASE READ *****

I have seen much talk about Sinead on the net lately, 
and was wondering what the general opinion of Sinead
was.  Please take the 20 seconds it takes to reply to
this question and answer it.  (A simple Y or N will do).
Please use your newsreader's reply option or regular
email to submit votes -- do not post your answer.

Question:
Do you still support (or have a general good opinon of)
Sinead O'Connor?

If you wish to send detailed replies as to why or why not,
please do, but they are not required.  Thanks in advance!

Jason Boardman
boarjas@elof.iit.edu
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From: david@cs.uow.edu.au (David E A Wilson)
Subject: Re: Enigma re-release??
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 06:17:29 GMT

rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu () writes:
>ground, and at the end it mentions 'MCMXC a.D'(which was the name of the album)
>available in stores such as Sam Goody, etc.   Im wondering, why would they be
>advertising an album that is 2 years old so elaborately like if it was new??
>Does anyone know  if it is a re-release or something??

There certainly is a re-release available - it seems to have the extra tracks
from the singles on it. At least this means it finally lives up to the track one
intro that states "... in the next hour we will take you into another world..."
while the disc is only 40 something minutes long.
-- 
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Dept Comp Sci, Uni of Wollongong	david@cs.uow.edu.au
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From: ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II)
Subject: Re: Tha Bizness.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 08:50:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.210447.28065@cs.ucla.edu>,
gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner) writes:
>Who is to say that a lawyer cannot brighten millions of lives?

	Especially when they're doused with gasoline and torched
atop the Empire State Building. ;^)


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 they steal."  - John Ladasky	      ~ -     dancing about architecture."
(quote stolen from Stravinsky, who    o o     - Elvis Costello?  Laurie
 stole it from a statement made by     >        Anderson?  Frank Zappa?
 Pablo Picasso about painting, who    \_/    -------------------------------
 stole it from...)			     "Property is theft." - Groucho
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From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: Tha Bizness. (not hate mail)
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 00:20:07 GMT


In article <BzBo8H.Gvn@world.std.com>, LindaMc@world.std.com (Linda M McInnis) writes:

A good article Linda...

|> For example, in Boston where you can get a place to share and
|> spend about $250/month-$700/month, do public transportation,
|> etc., you can have a very comfortable lifestyle on $600 to 
|> $1000/month.  Band gigs can get you about that much if you
|> play out once a week.  If you're more dedicated, you can

I suppose average performance fees (wether guarantees or door deals)
vary depending on the kind of band you're talking about. Here in 
Australia (well, Melbourne), original bands, who have a recording
of some sort out, typically receive anything between $A100 & $A500
for a performance.

Out of that there's the mixer, manager, petrol, lights (maybe),
advertising (wether flyers or magazine etc), equipment (new strings
/skins/sticks/disks etc) to pay. What the band ends up with doesn't
always even come close the fee paid to the band! Not good for paying
rent & eating with.

I agree with Linda - you've got to expect to make little or no money
at the start. Unless you're incredibly lucky, or talented (!) it will
be hard work. That 'starting period' could be as little as 1 year,
or range from 5-10  (of course, there's the 'never').

don't despair - work out what you want & do it. A genuine approach
will reap it's rewards.

brian
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From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: 80's Funk - The Hip-Hop Connection
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:21:54
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
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In-reply-to: haupt@cs.columbia.edu's message of Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:36:55 GMT

>>>>> "Marcus" == Marcus E. Haupt <haupt@cs.columbia.edu> writes:


  Marcus> Lets face it, 80's Funk is now a mainstream influence in Hip-Hop. If you want to
  Marcus> hear some of the classics, turn on your local Fri/Sat nite rap show and listen,
  Marcus> listen, listen....it was Afrika Bambatta and the Soulsonic Force who first broke
  Marcus> Funk into Hip-Hop/Rap with "Planet Rock", probably the greatest Funk song of the
								 ^^^^^^^^
What planet are you on dude? Just for kicks try listening to Trouble Funk's
"Drop the Bomb" for something a *hell* of a lot funkier than Planet Rock
that came out in the 80's.

And another poster said it best, "Planet Rock" is a much better example of
electro than funky hip-hop. "Planet Rock"'s major contribution to popular
music was the concept of remixing, sampling, and looping grooves. In short,
it put the DJ/producer up front. Until that point, people had been making
beats from TR808's, and cuts on Technics.

But "Planet Rock" fonkay!? No way.

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From: gregbb@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gregory B. Beuthin)
Subject: Re: Track from SOS "Am I the Same Girl?"
Organization: University of Hawaii
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:43:16 GMT

In article <0105009A.l1pa2q@david.roth-music.com> david@roth-music.com (David A. Roth) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec4.235122.23056@news.Hawaii.Edu> (rec.music.funky), gregbb@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Gregory B. Beuthin) writes:
>> 
>> The beginning of Swing Out Sister's Am I... has a track from an earlier
>> recording of some semi-famous artist.
>> I unfortunately have a pirated version of the tape :-( I
>
>You do know that any time a pirated tape is created somewhere an artist
>and producer looses their wings.  Just thought you might want to know.
>
>David
>david@roth-music.com

I was waiting for this :-)  Yeah, i know, and when I am in the states I
always buy original which gets the original
artists their money, but also funds those corporate creeps and the idiots at
some lousy music store, who I *dont* want to give my money to, but that is
a minor point.   However, I spent the summer in the middle east visiting my
parents, and they make a billion out of pirating tapes (companies in the
ME, not my parents).  Since music stores over here rarely let me sample
stuff before I buy it, and
their prices are so damn high, I figured I would pick up several tapes for
cheap over there, find out which ones I like, and then get the originals
over here.  Yeah, sure I gave those pirating companies money, but my
parents paid for most of them :-)
BTW- having done that, I now have the originals for 808 State, Faith No
More, Shakespeare's Sister, and I found out I *don't* want Allison Limerick.

But to carry on the discussion, what about taping off the radio, or taping
a friend's copy (for free).  Is the artist still getting ripped off, and
is it as "bad" as pirating tapes and selling them?
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From: bret@tfd.COM (Bret Weinraub)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: Where is Prince in these postings?
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:25:45 GMT
Organization: Twenty-First Designs, Wash, DC

In article <1992Dec10.132602.12888@bsu-ucs> 00bbharris@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>Why isn't there a post it on Prince?  He is the absolute funkiest musician
>their is the the 80s and 90s.  People are doing now what he did in 1983.
>The entire focal point of hip-hop, is based on the technical mechanics, 
>instrumentation, sounds, and rhythm patterns he did on albums PURPLE RAIN
>and 1999. 

Well I like Prince, but I think you've gone off the deep end with this
post.  For one thing, as we all know there was hip-hop prior to
1999.  That couldn't be based on 1999, and anything based on it
couldn't be based on early-80s Prince.  Beyond this simple point,
I am of the rather average opinion that hip-hop has its major
instrumental influence from the funk of the early and mid-70s,
most notably Parliament/Funkadelic.  

One other point I'd like to add that may not have been discussed in
any length on this newsgroup is the SPIRIT of funk.  By this I mean
the philosophy of groove as a form of spiritual liberation that is
exemplified by P-FUNK.  LA band Red Hot Chili Peppers are way into
this side of the funk.  It is often neglected that to be truly funky
you need to be committed to the liberation of the soul.  That
is what separates the genuinely funky from the posers.  Poser funk
sounds good too, but its isn't up to the same level.  You need
integrity, something that seems to ebb and flow with PRINCE.

Just one opinion.  The funkiest famous musician of the 80's is Flea.
There are lots of funky cats who've never gone anywhere.


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From: David Brady <Brady_David@Tandem.Com>
Subject: Re: Enigma re-release??
X-Xxdate: Fri, 11 Dec 92 21:48:34 GMT
Organization: Tandem, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:46:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.195858.6097@sbcs.sunysb.edu> ,
rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu writes:
>Remember that group that came out like two years ago, Enigma, that had that hit
>Sadeness, which was like a Soul II Soul beat, along with these chants, etc??
>I just saw a  video-like commercial with 'Sadeness' playing in the back-
>ground, and at the end it mentions 'MCMXC a.D'(which was the name of the album)
>available in stores such as Sam Goody, etc.   Im wondering, why would they be
>advertising an album that is 2 years old so elaborately like if it was new??
>Does anyone know  if it is a re-release or something??

You know - I saw the same sort of thing.  I was wandering through Tower Records
and noticed a big display of Enigma cds sitting in the front of the store.  Why
are they pushing it again?  Anybody know?
--
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Always remember -  David Brady IS Lee Harvey!
From: chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: 80's Funk - The Hip-Hop Connection
Date: 13 Dec 1992 12:43:47 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
Distribution: world
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In article <Bz5vtK.HDI@cs.columbia.edu>, haupt@cs.columbia.edu (Marcus E. Haupt) writes:
> 
> Lets face it, 80's Funk is now a mainstream influence in Hip-Hop.

Well, hasn't hip hop always been about sampling old funk tracks?  Nothing new
there.  In the early '80s they used drum machines but I think it was better known 
as rap and electro back then, not really hip hop (maybe I'm wrong about this...)

> If you want to
> hear some of the classics, turn on your local Fri/Sat nite rap show and listen,
> listen, listen....it was Afrika Bambatta and the Soulsonic Force who first broke
> Funk into Hip-Hop/Rap with "Planet Rock", probably the greatest Funk song of the
> 80's (if you haven't heard this one at a party, you weren't goinh out). 

I can't quite remember what "Planet Rock" sounded like, but wasn't it based on
a Kraftwerk sample?

- chris@minsk.docs.uu.se
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From: bsells@world.std.com (Bryan L Sells)
Subject: Patti LaBelle
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 00:16:53 GMT


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From: norbeck@pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu (Naughty Nukes NY in her 1999 Nissan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky,rec.music.cd
Subject: Re: Enigma re-release??
Date: 12 Dec 1992 23:05:25 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
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In article <1992Dec11.214651.16786@tandem.com> David Brady <Brady_David@Tandem.Com> writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.195858.6097@sbcs.sunysb.edu> ,
>rojohnso@libws3.ic.sunysb.edu writes:
>>Remember that group that came out like two years ago, Enigma, that had that hit
>>Sadeness, which was like a Soul II Soul beat, along with these chants, etc??
>>I just saw a  video-like commercial with 'Sadeness' playing in the back-
>>ground, and at the end it mentions 'MCMXC a.D'(which was the name of the album)
>>available in stores such as Sam Goody, etc.   Im wondering, why would they be
>>advertising an album that is 2 years old so elaborately like if it was new??
>>Does anyone know  if it is a re-release or something??
>
>You know - I saw the same sort of thing.  I was wandering through Tower Records
>and noticed a big display of Enigma cds sitting in the front of the store.  Why
>are they pushing it again?  Anybody know?


I don't know why they're pushing it again, but I do know they're being
sued.

I don't own the disc in spite of the fact that I think they had a cool
idea (and this is why).  Last month, the Hilliard Ensemble of London
came to Bucknell for a week-long residency.  They're not all that well
known in the states, but they're generally considered the best early
music ensemble in the world.  Our Early Music prof. knows them
personally, and their countertenor, David James, is one of her best
friends.  At any rate, a student loaned her the disc once because of
the chants on it, and as she listened, he recognised Mr James' voice.

His voice had been sampled off a Hilliard CD and used on the Enigma
disc without his permission.  He's now in the process of suing them
for it.  I don't know that the re-release would have anything to do
with the lawsuit, perhaps to generate more publicity for them (maybe
to sell more discs before the courts say they have to pay royalties or
something), but that's why I and many others here won't buy the disc.
I'm not saying you shouldn't, but just keep in mind it has stolen
material on it if you choose to consider it.

Nancy












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