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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Friday, 4 Sep 1992 01:09:10 EDT
From: William Grant <343VTQ2@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Words

  UM......Excuse me,  but did I mention that I hate Joe Montana??   What I
meant to say was I REALLY HATE JOE MONTANA,  AND THE JUST THINKING ABOUT
HIM MAKES ME WANT TO VOMIT!  The reason for the statement is unknown,  but
probably stems from his pounding of the Cowboys of old.
   The above non-withstanding,  I feel I need to (re)clarify my position.  Yes
I might feel a little biased in saying that Joe is a WASHED UP USELESS PIECE OF
FLESH,  but I didn't say that he WASN'T a great quarterback.  You can't argue
with the stats he's posted,  or his Super Bowl Ring count.  All I'm saying is
that now that he's finished, let him die.  I think Steve Young is a great
quarterback,  have for a LONG time.  This increased my BLAZIND HATRED FOR #16
because it seemed that Young's talent was always overlooked.  Now he has a
chance to Shine.  BUT NO,  HERE COMES JOE,  BACK FROM THE GRAVE.  WHY????
I agree with the guy who made the analogy with Larry Bird.  Now that he's
FINISHED (yea!),  let him go.  It's not like the 9ers are hurting for a QB!
Young performed TREMENDOUSLY last year.  Take a look at HIS stats from last
year.  HE certainly wasn't the reason that the 49ers didn't make the playoffs.
All I'm saying is GIVE HIM A CHANCE TOO!  Joe's got 4 rings,  let YOUNG earn
his FIRST!  Why pay him the 2.7 mil to ride the bench again???  Retire and
let someone else have a chance at greatness!  (and if I can take a cheap shot
at Joe or two in the process,  so be it!!  And if I'm the only guy on the
whole planet who HATES Joe,  so be that too.  He'll still be the hero in the
eyes of millions of others,  and it's certainly well deserved.)

Flame away!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: gps@vexcel.com (gps account for JPL)
Subject: Re: Broncos question
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:02:14 GMT

In article <wytten.715624921@deci> wytten@deci.cs.umn.edu (Dale Wyttenbach) writes:
>Whatever happened to the hearing impaired defensive lineman?

Kenny Walker had an excellent year and is back again this year

He's really quite an excellent defender.  At Mile High they've 
set up the scoreboard to encourage the crowd to sign applause
whenever he's made a play.

>
>Dale
>

Tom

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald D Rodabaugh)
Subject: Re: SHOCKING PREDICTIONS!!
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Summary: You are high.....
Keywords: marijuana, cocaine, PCP, etc.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:07:26 GMT

In article <BtK6Mv.Dus@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jasdzews@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary
James Jasdzewski) writes:
>NFC division winners:
>
>Phileadelphia
>Minnesota
>Atlanta
>
>AFC:
>
>N.Y. Jets
>Cleveland
>Kansas City

     My dad got his M.S. Chemistry from Purdue, and he tends to think along the
same skewy lines you display here. (He thought that the Dream Team would have 
trouble on the international level.)
     I have only one question: ARE YOU HIGH????? Sober up, and come to your 
senses!
     In the NFC: Philly???? Come on. With Dallas and Washington, not a
chance. Minnesota??? No way, especially if Jim Harbaugh has the kind of
year we all know he can. Atlanta I can buy.
     In the AFC: NY Jets, maybe.... Cleveland???? I hope you are right, as I am
a loyal fan, but with Houston looking essentially the same as last year (with 
the exception of two receivers, but with Moon throwing, even I could catch), I 
don't THINK so, Homey don't play that... Kansas City, I agree with.
     Next you are going to  tell me that Phoenix and Cincinnati have realistic 
shots at wildcards, right?

Go Reds, Go Buckeyes, Go Browns!!!
David Rodabaugh                  rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Senior, Mechanical Engineering
The Ohio State University
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: jac@noaacrd.colorado.edu (Julia Collins)
Subject: Re: What's the reason for the SBR event ordering?
Organization: NOAA Climate Research Division
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:47:06 GMT

In article <1166@tekgen.bv.tek.com> brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney) writes:
>The real answer here is history and convention have dictated SBR.
>
>The BEST order for all concerned is SRB. The overriding reason is
>safety and health.  
>...
>SRB has another advantage in that it naturally counteracts drafting. 

For me, this would encourage drafting. There's nothing that looks
better to me when I'm tired and on the bike than someone else's wheel.

>
>The downside is the fear of a bike finish. But this fear is based on
>ignorance.  Consider that USCF runs literally thousands of bike races
>a year without any significant problems regarding the finish.  And this
>is in races where drafting is LEGAL so everyone is bunched up a lot more
>than they would be in an SRB Tri.

The problems with the triathlon/duathlon bike finishes that I've been 
involved with stemmed from the fact that no appropriate finish area is
provided. Once you crossed the line, you needed to STOP. This creates
congestion and increases the collision odds.  USCF finishes are required 
to be preceded by a 200m(?) straightaway and always have a clear area
past the line for the cyclists' progress to continue.  Also, in the case
of a pack finish, additional photo finish equipment is going to be
necessary to accurately place the finishers.  I'm not a race organizer,
but there seem to be enough headaches here to stick with the SBR order.

Julia
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: dpe@inel.gov (Don Palmrose)
Subject: Re: Training for Triathlon(s)
Organization: INEL EG&G Idaho
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 16:35:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.055601.28038@hippo.ru.ac.za>, garyth@sun.ac.za (Garyth Harris) writes:
> 
> Hi ya netters,
> 
> A little background first.  This is my first year that I am seriously 
> attempting to train and participate in triathlons, having been an avid
> duathlete (run-cycle-run events) over the past year.  The last time I
> had any swim traing was about 10 years ago when I was still in high school.
> I am now 26 (yesterday:-)  
> 
> My questions are:
> 1)  how should I go about including swim training in my training schedule?
>     Are there any texts to which I can refer for further enlightment?
> 
> 2)  Can anyone comment on the content and intensity of training (for each
>     event) that I should follow?  (if you want, I can mail you my weekly
>     schedule to indicate the time I have available)
> 
> Being a "new" fanatic is a rush in itself.  I'm all fired up and raring to
> go now that our rain-plagued winter is nearing its end.   Any thoughts and
> comments will be graciously received.
> 
> Thanking you all very much in advance.
> 
> garyth
> 
> E-Mail: harris@cs.sun.ac.za
> Normal: Dept. Computer Science,
>         Stellenbosch University,
>         Stellenbosch 7600,
>         South Africa
> Tel:    02231-774605
> FAX:    02231-774416
> 
> 

Unfortunately, you are in South Africa and I do not know if the Dave Scott's
and Scott Tinsley's Triathlon training books or video tapes are available to 
you.  These are both very good references for the beginners to the sport
of triathlon.  Dave Scott came from a swimmer's backgroung so his book might
have better info on training technique but I'm sure Tinsley's book is still
pretty good in the area of swimming.  If you have a friend in the US, they
might be able to get them for you.  Good luck and happy training.

Don Palmrose







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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: schabert@spieden.Stanford.EDU (Vernon Schabert)
Subject: Early Freestyle Fatigue
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 00:04:23 GMT

While doing sprints and intervals in the pool earlier this week, I
noticed that my arms fatigue quite early into a sprint, and the first
result is that I have trouble following through on a strong stroke after
about 50m.  This hasn't seemed to improve after a few weeks of
concentrated speedwork, so I guess I'll hit the weight room to improve
my strength.

The problem is, all my weightroom workouts were designed when I was
interested more in putting on bulk and less on improving specific muscle
groups.  Does anyone have suggestions about specific exercises that I
should be doing to improve the strength of my freestyle stroke?

From the tightness in my muscles after these swims, I think I need to
be working on my triceps, rear deltoids, lats, and rhomboids.  Did I
miss anything?  Should I be lifting for muscle mass or for tone?

Vernon Schabert
schabert@psych.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Glycerol & sweating
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:38:08 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University
Keywords: gross, poison, better_living_through_chemistry

In article <1992Aug26.173640.29318@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:

    [lots of stuff about glycerine deleted]

>So, does anyone know the story on taking this stuff internally?  It sounds
>like just the ticket for my "problem", but I really don't want to die while
>running/biking.  My ex-swim coach, who is a very knowledgeable pharmacist,
>seems to think it would be okay to take.  It's just those warnings on the
>label that make me pause...

    According to my Merck Index, the oral LD50 for glycerin (a.k.a.
glycerol) in mice is 31.5g/kg.  A person thus would have to consume a huge
amount to die from it.  I don't know at what lesser doses other toxic
effects may be seen.

    I agree that locating the original citation prior to experimenting with
it would be a good idea.  I seem to remember a short piece in RW on this
study; I think it appeared within the past three months.

-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ.
From: brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: What's the reason for the SBR event ordering?
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:34:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1992Aug31.163726.512@colorado.edu> jac@noaacrd.colorado.edu (Julia Collins) writes:
>
>One thing I didn't bring up in my earlier post: I fail to see how 
>riding a bike when exhausted (or near it) is safer than running.
>You have the additional cooling effect of the wind (a plus) on the
>bike, but you also have the need to control your bike (difficult
>enough after a swim, but even harder as you become more tired); you're
>still going to dehydrate (several of my fellow competitors tell me
>that they "can't" drink on the bike - they forget, or it's too much
>hassle to budge from the aero position, or whatever. Maybe a good
>reason to promote Camelbacks). I would much rather be on foot than
>on a bike when I hit whatever wall (or car or fellow athlete :-)) I'm
>going to hit.
>
The point is that in biking, the "wall" phenomena is dramatically
reduced or non-existent. The term itself comes from marathon running.
The image of marathon runners collapsing is quite pervasive. Just look
this years Olympics at the Men's finish when the winner collapsed. 
 Since the womens finish wasn't as gruesome, they had to replay the 
finish of a the woman (Gabriella ????) from a previous Olympics, 
as she collapses and then staggers around the stadium.

I realize this anecdotal, but now try recall any similar incidents
in biking. The only one I can think of was when one of the
participants in the Ride Across America was filmed nodding out
at 40 - 50 mph from exhaustion while riding down a moutain.
This was after 5 days of riding.

Collapsing in running and triathlong is commonplace. It is not
commonplace in biking. There is a reason for this.


>
>AT YOUR NEXT TRI, REMIND PEOPLE TO WORK WITHIN THEIR LIMITS! REMIND 
>THEM TO STAY HYDRATED AND TO EAT ON THE BIKE! The medical problems 
>you refer to are easily preventable in the context of the current
>SBR order.
>
>Julia

Pre-race announcements have little or no effect. Usually they can't be
heard. If the medical problems are easily preventable, how come the
numbers of people be treated in the medical tent isn't continually
going down? (even after you consider weather, number of entrants, etc.)

The methods you suggest appear to be ineffective in making our sport
safer. Something more fundamental is called for. SRB is worthy of
consideration.

Bruce Cheney
From: tolar@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Jim Tolar)
Subject: Re: Canadien Ironman
Organization: Semiconductor Systems Design Technology, Motorola, Tempe AZ
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:23:24 GMT

In article <113520165@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> richd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rich Davis) writes:
>____________________________________________________________________________
>                        Canadien Ironman 1992
>                        ---------------------
>  I heard Scott Tinley won, Ray Browning was second, a new course record
>  was set, and the event was a first class affair. Does anyone have more
>  detail they would like to share?
>
>Regards
>richd@hpfcmws.fc.hp.com

 I second the call for information.  I have a friend, Robin Steele, who was
going to make this her first attempt at a Ironman distance.  She has since
moved back to Colorado and I'd like to know how/if she did up there.  Anyone
recognise the name in the results?  Post or E-mail would be appreciated.

jt


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: rw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Rich Washington)
Subject: Re: Who escaped from Alcatraz?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:38:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.135227.4645@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen) writes:
>Hello,
>
>Does anyone know who won the Escape from Alcatraz (sp?) Triathlon?
>When will it be on TV?  I read Mike Pigg and Greg Welch were passing up
>the Sun-Times because their sponsors wanted them to do a race that would
>be covered by NBC.
>

I think I heard September 19 for the TV coverage.

Also, to add to the other reports, Greg Welch broke the old course record,
set by Mike Pigg a year ago.  That's with a wrong turn on the bike that
cost him a mile or so.  Pigg and Tinley ran together for a significant
portion of the run, but Pigg eventually dropped back, and claimed afterwards
he was fatigued (5th city in 4 weeks).

					Rich Washington
					rw@cs.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: jdods@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Jeff Dods)
Subject: Race Report: Toronto International Triathlon
Originator: jdods@todah.chem.utoronto.ca
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:30:06 GMT


 The Toronto International Triathlon, Sat. Aug 29th.
 1.5k swim
 40k bike
 10k run

	Race conditions: 13C and gusting winds... yipe.


	What a different crowd from last year! With the exception of LOTS of 

	Australians and New Zealanders, (who were just using this race to warm up

	for the worlds in two weeks) the field was basically just Canadian. 

	Oh yeah, the team from the U.K. was there too.
	
	You see.... last year lots of really good athletes came from all over, but I

	guess this year many were too afraid to come because they don't want to

	get beat by the Canadians TWICE in two weeks! (once here and again at the

	worlds)

	Here are some results, sorry for any silly spelling, I was taking it down

	by ear (yes I can write with my ear...).


    1)	Frank Clark	Canada		1:52:xx
    2)	Mark  Bates	Canada    	+47 sec.
    3)	Richard Wells   New Zealand  	+2 min 
    4)	Cameron Brown	New Zealand	?
    5)	Mark Lees	Australia	?
    6)	Phil Cordly	Canada		?
    7)	Bill Blackmore	New Zealand	?
    .
    .
    .
    1)	Fiona Cribb	Canada		2:08:xx
    2)	Maureen Cummins	Australia    	+4 min.
    3)	Jill Westinra   New Zealand  	+5 min 
    4)	Kristen Dyke	Canada  	?
    5)	Heidi Alexander	New Zealand	?
    6)	Natalya Orchard U.S.A		?
    7)	Suzanne Collinson Australia	?


	Wells was out of the water a good 60 meters ahead of the pack but lost

	on Bates During the early part of the bike. Clark caught

	up at about 30k and had to fight off Bates all through the run.

	I saw Fiona on the other side of the road 2K into my run, she would

	have been about 2.5k away from her finish.
	
	I said somthing like "Yaaaah... Go!"  and she looked at me like 
	
	I had just said the moon was made of cheese. She must have been 
	
	really inwardly focused. 

	I had a curious race. I beat my last year's swim by 5 min (33->27 min)

	and I hardly ever swim. My bike was only 1 min faster and I ride (by my

	standards) lots. My run was slower by 1 min and I run hard all winter and

	spring! Yeesh whats going on? Maybe I should do nothing and I'll get
	
	really fast!? If less is more is nothing everything? Seems to be.

	
	Anyways see you on the ski trail, that was all the triing for this year!

	Jeff.

______________________________________________________________________________________

		Start slow...then taper!
______________________________________________________________________________________
From: brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: What's the reason for the SBR event ordering?
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:33:39 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

The real answer here is history and convention have dictated SBR.

The BEST order for all concerned is SRB. The overriding reason is
safety and health.  Ask the medical crew after your next SBR Tri what
the MAJOR problem they treat during a race is.  If your Tri is put on
in the summer (like most), the overwhelming answer is heat-exhaustion or
heat stroke. Sure, people drown, and bikes crash, but those incidents are
down in the noise. SRB means you will be biking during the hottest part
of the day, not running. 

SRB has another advantage in that it naturally counteracts drafting. It
isn't a total cure for the problem, but having the bike last means people
will spread out more.

The downside is the fear of a bike finish. But this fear is based on
ignorance.  Consider that USCF runs literally thousands of bike races
a year without any significant problems regarding the finish.  And this
is in races where drafting is LEGAL so everyone is bunched up a lot more
than they would be in an SRB Tri.

Ultimately, SRB is a safer and more logical order.

Bruce Cheney
From: richd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rich Davis)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:34:43 GMT
Subject: Canadien Ironman
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon

____________________________________________________________________________
                        Canadien Ironman 1992
                        ---------------------
  I heard Scott Tinley won, Ray Browning was second, a new course record
  was set, and the event was a first class affair. Does anyone have more
  detail they would like to share?

Regards
richd@hpfcmws.fc.hp.com
From: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM (Tim Cespedes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Ironman
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:57:29 GMT
Reply-To: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunpool.ebay.sun.com


Does anybody know when the 1992 Ironman is scheduled?  A friend is planning
a vacation and would like to time his visit to coincide with the event.

Thanks,
Tim
From: walker@mishi.metaphor.com (John Walker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Who escaped from Alcatraz?
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:47:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA

Todd Jensen (tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com) asks:
>
>Does anyone know who won the Escape from Alcatraz (sp?) Triathlon?
>

Forgive my brevity (and possible inaccuracies), as this is from memory.
The only details I have are the results as they were listed in yesterday's
paper.

Greg Welch won the men's race by about 7 minutes. Scott Tinley was
second and Mike Pigg was a minute or so behind him for third. Paula
Newby-Fraser won the women's race over Krista Whelan. I believe
Janet Stamper was third. Fernanda Keller was fourth or fifth.

Unfortunately, I cannot remember when it is on TV.

I have not done the course, but a good friend of mine did it the
last two years, and I went up to watch.

Course: The race starts at Alcatraz Island, which housed
the old federal prison. From there, racers swim 1.5 miles
directly into Aquatic Park in San Francisco. From there, they
have a quick 1 mile run to warm up and then set off on their
bikes. The bike a relatively flat 20 miles, but winds and wet
roads (from fog) can be a factor. Once over the Golden Gate Bridge
and off the bike, the real race begins.  Despite the intimidation 
factor of swimming from Alcatraz to San Francisco, this is definitely 
a runner's race (and the main reason why this swimmer/cyclist has
never done the race). The run is 15 miles of very hilly trails (even
after 55 miles of cycling, the run at the Wildflower Triathlon
seems rather tame in comparison).

Alcatraz: While it served as a federal prison, it is said that no one
escaped from Alcatraz. Those who managed to escape the walls of the
prison had to look forward to swimming 1.5 miles in 58F degree water
(at the warmest time of the year) without wetsuits. They also did not
have the luxury of choosing the time of their escape to coincide 
with favorable tides. With all the tidal water for the SF Bay flowing 
in and out of the Golden Gate (< 1 mile wide) just a few miles away, 
the currents in this area can be very strong. Another point of reference
is the Point Bonita open water swim, which is a 10K swim that
passes through the Golden Gate in favorable tides. Winning times of
mid 30's for that swim would be very respectable running 10K times.

					-- John

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