From: l1z@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Hopeless protest
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:54:22 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University


    The pre scheduled protest didn't happen at PennState in Aug. 17th. The
reason is that we didn't get all necessary signatures from school officials
like the foreign student advisors in time to legalize the protest. It will
be re-scheduled at a different time if we can finally finish the paperwork
and be able to hold a legal protest.

    However I received a E-Mail from some one at PennState. Though I can
not agree with him in every thing. But I have to sadly admit all he said
are very very real cold facts here for our foreigners. I hope netters can
spend 2 minutes and read his comment. And think about it.

    We are still fighting against the unfairness. But it seems to  be all
in vain. It's hopeless! All we can do is giving some warning to our fellow
international students who are coming from home country and who are changing
school: If you are preparing to coming to PennState. Re-consider your 
decision. Consider it's unfair health insurance policy and other unfairness
for foreigners here. If you think you are prepared to be treated unfairly
and are not going to fight against it, then, you are welcome to PennState.

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From: AXP900@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subj RE: Protest! Protest! Protest!
To: l1z@ecl.psu.edu
Message-id: <CFD904384040154E@ecl.psu.edu>

I'm sure what you are actually asking for is parity.  My guess is that you
will get parity and all of us will have to buy insurance for our spouses
and dependents.  Thanks for your help.  You guys screwed up when you offended
Jim Lynch.  He's the only person in the University who can help you and you
made him into your enemy.  Smart, real smart.  Joab Thomas will consult
with his International programs office, the office will consult with Jim Lynch,
Jim Lynch will tell them that you can all go to hell, OIP will tell Joab Thomas
that their experts recommend maintaining the current policies and you get
nowhere.  Appologize to Jim Lynch, ask for parity from the University and
maybe you will get PARITY.  You aren't getting out of buying insurance.  If
the international students would have sent a representative to the meetings
where these insurance issues were decided (a representative was requested but
nobody had time to go) you would have had a more arguable position, as it is
you are all pretty much screwed.  Smear campaigns only serve to annoy the
University admininstration, who for the most part view students as a liability
and not as an asset.  An annoying liability will quickly be dispensed with
and you guys will be looking for another University.  Friends in high places
serve you a whole lot better than enemies, and you have enemies in high
places.  If you don't correct the situation soon, Jim Lynch and the OIS
will put you on some kind of hit list and you will be history.  A good
friend of mine made a strong point on this issue, foreign nationals in this
country have no rights, only privledges granted them by the state.  If the
goverment withdraws those privledges, you have very little recourse.  As
far as the cost of insurance goes, welcome to America. My father must pay
$360.00 per month for one person coverage, an additional $360.00 for each
dependent.  $1760 a year? Boo Hoo.  If parity is what you want, parity is
what you'll get.  We'll all be stuck with an expensive policy.

Wade Sheen

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Very real comments, indeed. He really said the truth. Foreigners have no
rights at all in this country. This country labeled it as a free and democratic
country. Well, could be. But that's only the story happening in the C-Span
TV channel and in the CNN Larry King Live. At least for foreigners, in reality,
never ever thnk about any thing of freedom or democracy. Or you are idiot.

Indeed we can't even help ourself. Jim Lynch, who is the Director of the
International Student Affairs, is the ONLY people who can help the 2000+
international students at PennState. If he happens to be unwilling to help,
or if he is too busy to help, what a pity, these 2000+ international students
are nothing at all.

Yes the current insurance policy is unfair, even the school officials admitted
it. Yet you have to buy that unfair insurance and you are not going to give a
shit to that. As long as the school officials enjoy the money you pay, you
have got to pay it. If you give a damn shit about that you will probably be
out of this school and out of the USA real quickly. 

I am gonna shut up and I am gonna pay the money. I do not have the money to
pay. But I still have to cut corners to get the money to pay, merely to keep
being a student here to finish my Ph.D. I know this is unfair to all of us.
But I will have to restrain now. I am pretty sure I will get damn out of this
country right after I get my Ph.D. What to stay here for? Freedom? Democracy?
Money? I have suffered enough and I wanna go home.
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