From: gummitch@techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Re: Want facts? "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA? The Alarming Facts"
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:30:46 GMT

makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:

># >	What is a minor exception are those actions taken by ZIonists
># >during that period that were terrorist actions.
> 
># Aha!  Now we begin to get the idea.  If an act of resistance (such as
># blowing up a hotel serving as British headquarters and killing innocent
># Arabs, Jews and British) is committed by Zionists, it is NOT terrorism.
># If a similar act, of course, was committed by Palestinians (note,
># Makowsky, no cute ?) then it would be a heinous terrorist act.

>	Not at all.  I suggest you do two things.  Go read about what
>actually happened at the King David hotel (and why it had to happen),
>and shut up when you do not know what you are talking about.

># ># >   # >   Do you know what percentage of Israel was contained in the Sinai?
> 
Well, in fact I have read about the King David hotel bombing, including
one book dedicated entirely to that single act.  You have yet to explain
AT ALL why this bombing was _not_ a terrorist act, except by your
constant reassertion that it wasn't.  Somewhere, however, you did say
that the Irgun was slandered by the Jewish Agency - presumably you think
they were good guys.

I repeat: if the bombing of the King David Hotel had been carried out by
Palestinians you would not have hesitated to call it terrorism.


># ># >	   What the world community considered it was irelevent.  How would
># ># >   you like it if the world community refused to recognize your property
># ># >   rights to your own home?  
> 
># This is a very good question.  Turn it around, Makowsky, how would you
># feel if you were a Palestinian Arab in Jaffa in 1947.  The United
># Nations tells you that your home is actually in the Jewish state. How
># would you like it?

>	Well, they did not do this.  At any rate, claiming the home was in
>a certain state is not the same as taking possesion of the home.

But actions taken by Jewish forces to expel Arabs once the state was
created certainly _were_.



># And please, explain your relationship to Gush Emunim.

>	What makes you think I have a relationship with them?  It is none
>of your busines, but I am not associated with them in any way.

So what do you think of their goals?


># Just out of
># curiosity, what are the real borders of Greater Israel?
> 
>	First of all I laugh when people use the term "Greater Israel".  I
>do not know what you are talking about.  Apparently "Greater Israel"
>is supposed to be a translation of "Eretz Yisrael".  It does not even
>come close.

Well, then, given that I don't speak Hebrew, I will bow to your superior
translation.  Tell me, then, what are the real borders of Eretz Yisrael?


>	Just out of curiousity, what are the real borders of Greater
>United States?  Or if you wish, what are the borders of the United
>States?

Please don't try to sidetrack the issue; we are not speaking of past
expansionist behavior of the US -- which definitely existed and which I
have no sympathy for.  We are talking about the borders of Israel and
whether people like you ever had any intention of accepting the original
partition of Palestine or even the current borders.  The issue of the
occupied territories is very much a question of expansionism.

The borders of the US have been pretty clearly defined for a  while: try
looking at a map.

--Jeff

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