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From: femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:24:32 GMT


In reference to my previous posting, I gave my reasons as to why there
are so many BM/WF relationships around, and to tell you the truth my
opinion has not changed one bit. I agree that some date because of
"love". But note that I said that "most", not all relationships. If I am
wrong, then why are white men not dating black women in equal numbers?
Statistically one should expect that...
Is it because black women are any less beautiful, or is it not because
white women have been put on a pedestal, as something to be cherished...?
I'm sorry if I have to step on some toes here, but I still reserve the
right to my opinion, and it is that the psyche of many of us (black
males) has been damaged to a large extent. I am not advocating that
people do not have interracial relationships (whatever they do is their
business), but in my personal opinion, given the state of America today,
I feel that we as black men should be looking for ways to uplift the
status of the race as a whole, not running after white women. If this
were the idealistic color-blind society that some of the people who have
been posting seem to think it is, :-) then interracial dating would be in
order. But there are so many successful black women out there who
cannot find black men to marry because of the condition of black men in
America today, that I feel that for the sake of racial enhancement and
survival that it is not in order for me to date interracially. I am
sorry, but my duty to my race comes first. As for the reason that
someone gave as to why he couldn't date black women (coz he couldn't
find one he liked), that's lame. If a black man can't find a black woman
who is right for him, then something must be wrong with him, not black
women. Many of us are always trying to find excuses when it comes to
that area.

Femi.

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From: ronaldd@cbnewse.cb.att.com (ronald.h.davis)
Subject: Re: Rating brothers and white guys
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:13:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.223503.20176@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>Rating some encounters with brothers and white guys.  Not any of
>these cats are 10s and no names, to protect the guilty.
>
>Brother.  Strikingly handsome.  Tall.  Softest fuzzy Afro and beard.
>
>Brother.  Okay attractive.  My height (5 ft.  8 in.).  Pick-up at a
>
>Brother.  Okay attractive.  Boy next door.  Just under 6 feet.
>
>Brother.  Okay attractive.  My height.  Decided to date me because
>
>Brother.  Tall, big shouldered, hunky.  Strong-featured.  Some 20
>
>White guy.  Son of a Norwegian immigrant.  Tall.  Attractive in a
>
>White guy.  Hippie-intellectual, attractive.  Basketball player
>tall; reminded you of Bill Walton with glasses.  Month older than I
>
btw, bill walton went to the stanford law school while i was going
to school there (actually at the business school).  are you trying
to say that you were doing the guy?

>White guy.  Fairly attractive, several years older.  Tall.  Lover to
>
>Other commentary re interracial marriage/dating later.
>
what are you, a hooker?  "rating some encounters" you say.  what
happened, you had insufficient bandwidth to transmit an all-inclusive
list?
 
i mean, not that i wasn't moderately turned on by the explicit salacious
details of your sexual affairs but this is the weirdest thing of this sort
that i've read since the "thursday" [a now defunct mit student newspaper]
incident in which fat pig roxanne ritchie, and gross twig sue gilbert
[in a 2 page spread; obviously not the only "spreading that these two were
doing] gave a rating of all the mit guys that they had done...and the newspaper
published the guys' real names!  the incident made national news [i
recall seeing an article in newsweek or time with ritchie's picture in
it].  "thursday" was terminated shortly thereafter [i think the actual
mechanics were that funding for it got yanked].

one thing that i've learned about people is that you can tell a lot
about people from the kind of folks that they date (or whatever you
want to call it); in which case, i have concluded that you are one
fucked up chick...figuratively and literally.

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From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: interracial dating
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:09:09 GMT
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison

In article <1992Oct13.042441.10250@news2.cis.umn.edu>  
mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:
> 
> Yawn...just when you thought it was safe to come out again...dun dun
> dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun DUH-DUH!!! THE INTERRACIAL DATING
> THREAD!!!
> 
> Gawd, when are we ever gonna lay this thing to rest?  Never, I guess.
> Well let me tell you what I think.

     [...what Malcolm thinks deleted 'cause you can read it yourself...]

     I think that Diogenes can put away that lamp now because we just  
found that honest man he's been looking for. :-)
 
> -- 
> Malcolm Diallo Moore, CIS-Univ. of Minn.                 
mmoore@staff.tc.umn.edu
> 				            	     
moor0009@student.tc.umn.edu
> "Arresk the Presidink!"                            
malcolm@mermaid.micro.umn.edu
> 		-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum


Arthur Johnson
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu
From: spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Are there Any "Good white Folk"?***
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:20:53 GMT

In article <92283.120244SBEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> SBEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>  I dont think it is necassary
> ===to list the historical reasons that it can not be said that there are
> ==="good white folk".  
Please do list the reasoning used , if any.
I will note here for the record that the Spingarn medal, awarded annuallly  
for achievement in the area of civil rights (by the NAACP), is named after  
Arthur and Julius Spingarn, who not only HElPED FOUND the organization,  
but also served as president and as head of the legal defense fund of the  
organization. Guess what? Both Spingarns were, in point of fact, white  
(and Jewish too, just for the record). I consider the NAACP a rather good  
thing, don't you?
Enough with the racist bullshit. There's more than a sufficient amount of  
it already in the world today..............


dilige et quod vis fac.

jeff skorecki-weiss
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Pessimism
Date: 11 Oct 1992 20:18:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <oeq5lDG00WBO81ZHhr@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Dean Calloway) writes:
>I meant outside the US... there's a gang of "white" people walking
>around in Europe... especially in the Scandanavian countries....

The important distinction here, again, is their ethnic and cultural
identity as "white", and the genetic reality.  Genetic variation is
studied from the standpoint of populations, both between and within.
As you move about a continent, you'll find a gradual variation in any
trait measured by the alteration in the gene frequency from population
to neighboring population.  This is known as a cline and it's the
approach used to study questions of human variability.

For some Scandanavian population, the frequency of the gene combination
WWWWWW for white skin may be 99 percent.  Move away a hundred miles to
a more cosmopolitan area and that frequency may drop to 92 percent.  Now
if most of those remaining 8 percent are all BWWWWW, but have generally
the same frequency of traits as the group 100 miles away, they're not
going to be readily physically distinguishable.  And if they're all of
the same culture, they'll be accepted as just as "white".

Skin color is simpler because you can easily define pure white as WWWWWW.
But what about width of nose?  How wide (or narrow) may a white person's
nose be before it is no longer "white"?  A long list of other physical
traits could be drawn up and same questions would have to be answered.
And whatever you decide, it will be arbitrary.  So if you knew the
controlling genes for as many traits as you cared about, you could
arbitrarily specify all the combinations and say this is Caucasoid or
this is Negroid.  But all you've really done, though, is identify a
few individuals, because very few people look that much alike, and if
they do they're probably related.

So if you say, well that's not acceptable, there's going to be some
variation.  Well then, how much?  How wide can a nose be, how curly or
straight the hair?  Again, wherever you drawn the line will be arbitrary
and will say nothing about any other trait, since they combine
independently, e.g. a person may inherit a very wide nose but be perfectly
Caucasoid in every other trait.  Where would he fit in?  Simply put, there
are no answers, and so you can't in any biological sense determine
membership in this Scandanavian gang of "white" people.  So you're back to
culture.  And here distinctions can get very sharp, to the point of all
those "white" people in Yugoslavia fighting each other and engaging in
"ethnic cleansing."
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From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: peculiar language
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Evanston, Illinois
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 02:15:00 GMT

This is in reply to aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt), who wrote:
:I was recently disturbed by a headline that Denver's "biggest" newspaper,
:the Rocky Mountain News, ran on the front page.  It had a picture of a
:newly appointed judge to Colorado's Supreme Court, namely DU law professor
:Gregory Scott, and his family.  Above the picture in large print it said
:"Black named to high court".
:
:
:My first thought was that if it had said, "Size 10 named to high court" it
:would sound extremely, well, silly.  As in, so what?  Lots of folks wear
:size 10 shoes.

Well, and if Andrew Hacker took a book to a major publisher arguing
that size 10s had been fucked over economically by intentionality
emanating from the holy hallways of Ronald Reagan's White House,
he'd get it published?

Not that I want to start a flame war ...

:
:language is obviously a powerful thing, and how the media uses it is
:even more powerful.  I thus have three objections to this headline:

No, we *all* show how powerful it is.  So when a critical mass develops
in Christian circles against male-dominant language in the Bible, a
team of the best scholars produces a new translation that weeds it
all out (non-deity-related language, at least), quite gracefully too,
I might add.

Or when blax are tired of being called blax they insist on African
American and *lots* of folx -- not just the media elite -- start calling
them that.  Not everyone accepts the change, not even a sizable share
of blax.  But language is very accommodating.  So should we all.

Aaron 
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 12:53:06 -0400 
From: Dean Calloway <dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Pessimism
Distribution: usa

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 10-Oct-92 Re:
Pessimism by ;;;;7202@violet.berkeley 
> There's no contradiction.  To simplify things, let's just consider skin
> color which is determined by six genes, three inherited from the mother
> and three from the father.  If one parent has six white genes and the
> other a black and five whites, the darkest combination for the child
> will be BWWWWW, the same as one of the parents.  If both parents are
> BWWWWW, there's a fair chance the child will be BBWWWW, i.e. darker
> than either parent, a so called throwback.  This can happen regardless
> of whether either or both parents think they are white.  It works the
> same way for any other multigene trait, which Negroid features are.
>  
> In the examples you sited the people who thought they did not have
> African genes, actually did.

True enough...  I went back as far as I felt I needed to to get a better
handle on this thread.  The qualifier ("pure" Caucusoid...) is, I
suppose, enough to verify your statement... however, agin, you'd have to
qualify "pure."

DCAL 
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From: sue@seada.com (Sue Raul)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating
Organization: Software Enginerring and Design Associates
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 14:48:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.145256.1@opie.bgsu.edu> bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu writes:
>	I am a 22 year old college student who is very much against interracial
>marriage and dating.
>... should I start dating outside my race or what?  Do you
>consider me a racist?  I want to know.

You said you *liked* the variety you found among Black women and you
were not *physically attracted* to white (all non-Black?) women.   On a
personal level, these are perfectly valid reasons not to date outside
your preferences.

I think you are not racist for this. Preference is preference.

If you are attracted to any of the white women who you meet on campus
and still don't date them, then you might want to question your prior
assumptions about your preferences, maybe they're changing to be more
inclusive of more different races of women. If so, go out with some
white (or asian or hispanic or ?) women and enjoy it. I've known quite
a few mixed race couples that work out. I've known a lot of same race
couples that don't work out (and those that do work out). Whatever works,
just enjoy the discovery process.

good luck,

Sue
From: dmorse@igc.apc.org (Dorothy Morse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Nobel Prize Winner
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:37:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:umd5.umd.edu:15968:cdp:1471600046:000:143
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Oct  8 18:37:00 1992


He's written an epic poem called Omeros, sort of a Homeric poem about
people in the Caribbean.  I read a review of it and it sounded terrific.
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From: gavan@elc.mth.uct.ac.za (Gavan Tredoux)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,sanet.talk.politics
Subject: Re: ANC Leadership Wanes
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:00:29 GMT
Organization: University of Cape Town
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

gram@aim1.aztec.co.za (Graham Wheeler) writes:
 
: I note with interest that some SAIRR researchers have resigned, allegedly due
: to their belief that JKB is waging a disinformation campaign against the
: ANC.

Not the news I heard. There is discord, largely from the old Weekly Mail
school within the SAIRR (Carole Cooper et al) unhappy with criticism of
the ANC. This is politics, what interests me in any *factual* basis
to criticism, say, of Jeffery's epoch-making report. This I have yet to see.
Perhaps you might ferret some out for us, then we could have an argument.

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
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From: jnr@igc.apc.org (Jim Rosenfield)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: 10/07 Wire stories on hunger
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:22:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471700165:cdp:1471700166:000:2001
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jnr    Oct  7 17:22:00 1992


/* Written  5:18 pm  Oct  7, 1992 by jnr in cdp:hunger.general */
APn  10/05 0024  Southern Africa-Refugees

Copyright, 1992. The Associated Press. All rights reserved. 


By BARRY RENFREW   Associated Press Writer 

HLUVUKANI, South Africa (AP) -- Celina Matebo hugged herself as
she recalled the terrible journey on foot from Mozambique and the
lions that dogged the refugees through the wilderness. 

"The journey is difficult," she said. "The animals eat my people.
The lions are very bad." 

A thin, shy woman, Ms. Matebo is one of thousands of refugees
living in the South African black homeland of Gazankulu. They
fled to escape Mozambique's 15-year-old civil war and the
region's worst drought in 100 years. 

Their journey, lasting up to a week, takes the refugees through
the wilderness, where they dodge wild animals and South African
border patrols. Aid workers say some of the refugees have been
attacked and eaten by wild animals in the Kruger National Park,
on the country's northeastern border with Mozambique. 

Aid officials say up to 3 million people could face famine in
Mozambique. The drought has destroyed crops and dried up water in
a country already shattered by war between the leftist government
and right-wing rebels. 

More than 1 million Mozambicans have fled to neighboring nations,
including South Africa, Zimbabwe and Malawi. Many come to
Gazankulu, where they are fed by aid groups and allowed to live
in refugee camps. 

"It is better here. But it is very difficult. There is not enough
for our people," said Augustine Mushaba, a leader in the
Hluvukani refugee camp. 

Refugees receive 5 1/2 pounds of corn a month, barely enough to
sustain life, Mushaba said. 

They are not allowed to find jobs in Gazankulu, but people weave
mats or make bricks to make a little money. Some refugees try to
find work in South Africa, but those who get caught are deported
to Mozambique as illegal immigrants, Mushaba said. 

"I want to go home if there is no war," he said. 
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From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Mr. Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: IPS: ZAIRE: U.S. backs Tshisekedi in central bank fight
Date: 13 Oct 92 03:57:58 GMT
Organization: Evanston, Illinois, U.S.A.
Originator: @gagme

Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all rights reserved.  Permission to re-
print within 7 days of original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Reference: North America
Title: ZAIRE: U.S. backs Tshisekedi in central bank fight


washington, oct 5 (ips) -- the u.s. state department said monday
it supports the transitional government headed by prime minister
etienne tshisekedi in the current stand-off over control of
zaire's central bank.

the department said it was ''watching with concern''
developments around the central bank in kinshasa since troops
supporting president mobutu sese seko surrounded the facility
friday in what was seen as a new test of strength between
tshisekedi and mobutu.

the state department said the current situation appears ''non-
confrontational'' with all bank personnel free to come and go.

the crisis began when tshisekedi, who was elected to his post
by an opposition-dominated national council, suspended central
bank governor nyemba shabani and appointed mawakani samba to take
his place. the state department said it did not know who ordered
the deployment of 30 gendarmes and members of the civil guard --
both of which are considered loyal to mobutu.

''it is important the transitional government quickly establish
control over public finances and key appointments, including that
of the governor of the national bank, and immediately begin the
task of economic and financial reforms,'' the state department
said in apparent backing for tshisekedi.

it called on ''all zairians to continue to work together
peacefully, in a spirit of compromise and reconciliation.''

mobutu, who came to power with u.s. backing in 1965, has long
been accused of looting zaire's treasury for his own enrichment.

under domestic and international pressure, he opened a national
conference 14 months ago and appointed tshisekedi as prime
minister in sep. 1991. unhappy with tshisekedi's continuing
attacks on his rule, however, mobutu then dismissed him within
days and later suspended the conference.

under renewed pressure -- economic collapse and aid cutoffs by
the united states, france and belgium -- mobutu reconvened the
conference, which promptly appointed tshisekedi, last summer.

the administration of president george bush has been pressed by
congress to call on mobutu to resign, but u.s. officials have
insisted that mobutu could disrupt the transition process from the
outside.

the state department said monday it believed the conference
will soon conclude its work on a new constitution and establish a
high council to oversee the transition. (end/ips/ip/jl/yjc/92)
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From: rana@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Subject: Looking for AHMADI MUSLIM netters!
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:56:39 GMT




Dear Friends:

This posting is addressed to AHMADI MUSLIM netters. If you are an Ahmadi and have access to this network, please respond to the bellow e-mail address:

rana@rintintin.colorado.edu

Include you full name, your profession, the name of your Jamaat if any, and any other details you might want to provide in order to introduce your self. I am an Ahmadi student at the Univerisity of Colorado, Boulder. 



Sincerly,

Nabeel Ahmad Rana
E-mail: rana@rintintin.colorado.edu

Electrical and Computer Engineering;
University of Colorado, Boulder,
Colorado.


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From: frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (FRANK D N)
Subject: Chris in Australia
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Undergrads).
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 06:50:42 GMT

MESSAGE FOR CHRIS IN AUSTRALIA (SOCIOLOGY STUDENT WANTING INFO ON S.A.)
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Chris

I lost your e-mail address. Please send it to me again.

I couldn't find that book yesterday, so I'll look around this weekend.

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