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From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Subject: Re: con '92
Keywords: con
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:09:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.233313.11402@cabezon.uucp> kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards) writes:
>
>	Today, though, I'm jealous. While everyone else is out hiking, 
>picnicking, shopping, and generally enjoying themselves, I'm stuck at work.
>
>Ken "Looking forward to the weekend" R. 

    Wasn't it great?  Let's do it again next month!

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From: dooley@aurora.physics.utoronto.ca (Lois-Anna Dooley)
Subject: Re: Do You Remember any Gay/Lesbian Characters on TV Series?
Organization: University of Toronto Physics/Astronomy/CITA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 23:36:23 GMT

There was a Canadian sit-com called "Check It Out" a few years back which
starred Don Adams ("Get Smart").  It was about people who worked in 
a small grocery store.  One of the check-out people was a gay male,
around 30-ish, and he was chummy with a ditzy female cashier who wore
too much make-up and jewelry.  I'm sorry I can't remember much else.
The male cashier was by far the most endearing character on the show.

Lois-Anna


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: British Pronounciation
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:00:27 GMT

> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>Then there's the famous Dallasites, sisters named Hogg: Ima
>and Yura (truth, I swear; I was even introduced to Ima
>once).

Houston, Eura, I believe.  Ima's old home in Houston,
Bayou Bend, is now a fine museum of decorative arts.
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From: drp@dosbears.UUCP (David R. Preston)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: new hankie codes?
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:44:35 GMT
Reply-To: drp@dosbears.uucp
Organization: DosBears

In article <1992Jul21.214313.13249@uwm.edu> pst@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Stephen Thomas Iii) writes:
>
>One hand a grey hankie hanging from him left rear pocket.  The other had a
>purple hankie hanging from his left rear also.
>
>Has anyone out there run into this situation before?  Is this some sort of
>signal for club/gang affiliation?

I doubt if the hankies were club related, since they weren't both wearing
the same color. If they were wearing earrings, 501 jeans, black Reeboks,
and the hankies, then they are undoubtedly straight boys trying to look
cool.

BTW, for those wondering what the hell a hankie code is, it isn't
related to the bear code or the smurf code. I'm the "official"
hankie code poster, and it's probably time to post it again....

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: homophobes sabotaging motss (was Re: There was this sign in the window...)
Date: 29 Jul 92 02:25:39 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <l7boipINN8qd@mizar.usc.edu>
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

>Do motssisti react similarly
>to these cross-posts?  Does anyone write a talk.politics.misc cross-
>poster to tell him/her to stop posting "breeder shit" here?  

Yes to the last question.  In light of the recent invasions,
I've adopted policiy of hitting n on all cross-posted
aricles, irrespective of topic, author, or newsgroups
involved.  That means about 80% of the content of soc.motss
for the past couple weeks.

Not having these pollutions would be easy, if people would
only do the obvious.

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From: akcs.justice@vpnet.chi.il.us (Yuri Keegstra)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: G/L Youth Suicide
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:55:02 CDT

i would disagree that things are changing (as was said in 16846).  i'm 21
years old and know of four people who killed themselves while we were in
high school solely because of their orientation - one of whom attended my
high school.  the expanded media attention is helping somewhat, at least
queer youth doesn't have to feel they are alone.  Attacks are more
visible too, however, and many queer teens i've talked with don't feel
its worth coming out - ever.  (of course, many of these are suburbanites
and will probably change their minds -hopefully- when they get to
college.
 
i started coming out to friends at age 16, and came out to my parents at
age 17.  regardless of possible 'recruitment' charges, the last thing we
should want for queer youth is for them to be counseled by straights. 
(even 'tolerant', 'sympathetic', or 'accepting' ones).  i was, and it was
hell.  yes, he was pretty cool about it all, but as a straight he had no
concept of a lot of what i was dealing with.  you know the saying (which
is true) about how whites can never fully comprehend racism?  well,
straights can never fully understand how fully heterosexist our society
is.  straight counselors would NOT and do NOT work!
 
                              -justice

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco)
Subject: Re: HIV- cases of full blown AIDS?
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:14:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.194503.5227@athena.mit.edu> dmatic@athena.mit.edu (Davor Matic) writes:
>Isn't it the case that there are two kinds of HIV viruses, and
>you are usually tested for only one of them by the conventional 
>methods.  I remember that it says explicitly on the report the
>result applies to only the more common type of HIV.  Don't remember
>the official name.  Maybe some experts can clear this out.
>
>			Thanks!

Actually there are common (glyco)proteins for both HIV-1 & HIV-2
that usually show up in the HIV Antibody ELISA. There have been
recent improvements to this test to pick up HIV-2 antibodies
more readily. The test seems to give false-positive results
on HIV-2 more frequently than HIV-1 (actually MUCH more frequently).
Hint: Beware positive HIV-2 test results! Good chance they're wrong!
 
I believe the most recent abstracts from Amsterdam refer to an
anomaly where MOSTLY gay men who engage in high risk behavior
test HIV-negative, but have AIDS-defining opportunistic infections,
and CD4 (T4-cell) counts indicating severe immune suppression.
Clinicians are trying to figure out how this could be. Most assume
sexual transmission because of HIV transmission model used for last
10 years but there's a slight chance this is not the case.
 
Awful thing, this. Has many folx worried about "invisible" virii,
just like when HIV/AIDS was aka "GRID".


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Lesbian Wedding Announcement Raises Furor
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:39:47 GMT



Copyright 1992 by UPI
Reposted with permission from the ClariNet Electronic Newspaper newsgroup
clari.group.gays.  For more info on ClariNet, write to info@clarinet.com or
phone 1-800-USE-NETS.


	AUSTIN, Texas (UPI) -- A newspaper's decision to sell a lesbian couple
space for a photograph and story about their union has thrust both the
women and the newspaper into the center of a controversy.
	Sara Strandtman and Karen Umminger decided more than a year ago to
formalize their relationship with a ceremony, which was held last
weekend at the First Unitarian Church in Austin and attended by about 90
people.
	The Austin American-Statesman's decision to carry a paid notice of
the ceremony in its Sunday editions produced a barrage of calls to the
newspaper supporting and condemning the action.
	``Well I'd say we've received quite a few calls but they are probably
more in favor than in opposition,'' publisher Roger Kintzel said
Wednesday. He estimated that about 60 of the 100 calls supported
publication of the notice.
	Kintzel said he personally made the decision to accept the ad because
the newspaper established a policy about 18 months ago not to
discriminate in advertising on the basis of sexual orientation.
	Christian radio talk show host Jack Chambers called a news conference
Tuesday to denounce the notice, and other stations in the city say they
have been jammed with calls about the marriage.
	``It is an insult to the momentus, happy occasion of the other
married couples whose accounts of their weddings are portrayed on this
page,'' said Chambers. ``The purity of these pages has been marred by
the stain of immorality.''
	Chambers said the root of his criticism is that Texas law forbids
homosexual relationships and allows only people of the opposite sex to
be joined in marriage. But a state district judge has overturned the law
that makes same-sex relationships illegal, a ruling that has been upheld
on appeal and before the Texas Supreme Court.
	Officials of Austin radio station KLBJ said about 70 percent of the
calls it received Tuesday were opposed to the lesbian marriage and
unhappy that the American-Statesman treated the union the same as a
marriage between people of the opposite sex.
	When the newspaper carried a notice of the couple's engagement
several weeks ago without a picture, no complaints were made.
	Stradtman and Umminger are honeymooning in New Mexico and Colorado,
but in an interview before they left, both seemed surprised by the
reaction to their union and the newspaper's decision to carry the
announcement.
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From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Why?
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:46:00 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

well, i didn't call eitehr of them because Bank of America has
nto presence in maine that i know of, and i don't even know
what wells fargo IS.  i called levi-strauss, tho...  if katy
was a gregory instead, he wouldn't be allowed to join the
boy scouts...  (actually, i am much more offended by the
pro-christian bias than i am by the anti-gay one... )

as it is, i plan on doing volunteer work with the GSA.  keep
them honest, as it were...

                                       -ailsa
--
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It ain't the life you want, it's the life you live. \    DYKE    /
It's not what you got, it's what you give             \ PRIDE! /
And it ain't what it's not, but what it is.             \    /
(IO81409@maine.maine.edu or wang.com!ailanth!ailsa)       \/
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner)
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Reply-To: rogerl@Ingres.COM (Roger Leuthner)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:06:38 GMT

In article <archer.127@utkux1.utk.edu> archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.183932.520@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>
>>In article <15520@star.cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>
>>>I've finally found what doesn't click with Libertarianism
>>>and me: a belief that people are guided by rationale,
>
>So, you anti-liberty types don't believe that individual people are capable 
>of acting in an enlightened manner, and must be forced to do so by a benign 
>statist government.
>
>I am sorry, but I am not willing to accept that.

Individual people are most certainly CAPABLE of doing so, but the reality
of the situation is that they don't have incentive and/or awareness to
voluntarily restrict their own actions.  From early in upbringing, various
factors contribute to the 'get away with what you can' philosophy.  Other
factors contribute to the fact that most (90%?) don't have enough awareness.



Human beings will be as ruthless as their societal structure will allow.
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: British Pronounciation
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:13:21 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <l6n225INNm7h@mizar.usc.edu>
adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:

How *do* we get into this stuff?  It must be silly season!

>In article <1992Jul20.232129.12205@macc.wisc.edu> 
>anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>	Phoebe B. Peabody-Beebe

>What a hoot!  It's even better than Gisele Werbiczek-Piffel (a
>German actress) and Fairfax Proudfoot-Walkup (a historian of 
>costume).  For some reason I don't quite understand, the world
>of opera is filled with people with odd names.  Off the top
>of my head:

>	Helmut Berger-Tuna
>	Gianni Jaja
>	Gianni Chiaia
>	Venceslava Hruba-Freiburger
>	Bizerka Cvejic [*what* possessed her parents to saddle
>			her with the name Bizerka?]
>	Dragica Martines
>	Bodzena Ruk-Focic

You made that up!  Who *are* those folks?

Of course there really was a harpsichordist named Edith
Picht-Axenfeld, whom we parodied in college by calling her
Aphrodisia Emmerthaler-Mandelplaettchen.

>My two favorite names, however, are:

>	Antoinette Botsford Hellstein-Epstein [a UCLA faculty wife]
>	Gay Manifold [a professor of theater who is often thought
>		to be a periodical or organization].

At Dartmouth there was Thomas Scott Kirkpatrick Scott-Craig.
At Wisconsin, Birute Cipliauskaite (the C is 'ts').

Next, I'm sure, we'll have camp names.  My favorite:
Ophelia Meate.

You know, somebody (and Arne, you're probably the one to do
it) really should write a book about why things like this
crack us up.  For the most part they're all incredibly dumb
things, but I guffaw every time I think of Ophelia Meate and
a dozen other names like Aphrodisia E-M above.  It's a very
peculiar psychology that goes for verbal pratfalls.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Gayspace
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:35:42 GMT

cedman@714-725-3165.nts.uci.edu (Carl Edman) writes:

>Are you _really_ unable to make a better argument ? In that case, I will ask  
>you not to follow up to this post.

I could say *exactly* the same thing...

>In case you just misunderstood me, I'll try to make my point once again without  
>using any stylistic devices. Do you think that it is right if the government  
>uses taxpayer funds to make political messages ?

I was just in Portland, where they have a riverfront thingy that's a
monument to the Japanese Americans that were persecuted during WWII.
I thought it was pretty neat, but I don't know how it was paid for,
and I suppose that if any tax money was used for it you'd vehemently
object...

>If so, do you also think that  
>this is right if the government uses its fund to propagate political messages  
>with which you disagree but which are supported by the local majority ? To give  
>a simple example, would you consider it right if George Bush used federal  
>government funds to pay for his re-election campaign ?

That's a lot different. What Arne was talking about was a show of support
for a minority group, something absolutely necessary if the minority group
is to get equal citizen status. You're talking about people with political
agendas that aren't underpriveledged or necessarily in need of a show of
support. And you still need to fix your fucking punc.

>	Carl Edman

Goob.

--
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Punishments
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 09:37:29 GMT

ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:
>>Perhaps Grandmama will punish me for my lapse.)
>Get in line!  So many wicked children, so little time.
>Grandmama

Well if rumour is to believed Grandmama's own alter ego ought to be one
of the first to be punished.  Seducing innocent young boys and forcing
them to perform Unnatural Acts at the Con, by all accounts.  Shameful.

,
Eamonn, an innocent young boy who is too far away to be seduced
	(or indeed punished)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: RFD: Still in print?
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 00:30:25 GMT

Me:
> A new issue is being worked on by a group of Chicago Faeries. 

Melinda Shore:
>I thought RFD was for rural gay men?

Steve Dyer:
>It's for rural gay male wanna-bes, too.

I dunno, but the people I know are quite happy living in the city. There's
just more privacy out in the woods for things like orgies.

Bill

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: A good solution to gay youth difficulties is speaking gigs.
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:54:28 GMT

>And posters for the group rarely last more than
>an hour or so - all the usual

Very much the usual... one thing you might want to consider is
to make them using Hot Pink stock and put "GAY/LESBIAN" in the
biggest print.  Then get the tallest people to attach them out
of casual reach.  You can also get a few of the more scary
lesbians and men to stand watch over them and decide whether
to confront the paper-puller (probably a closeted gay/lesbian)
or to just reattach them immediately after the person has
left.  You can also stand by with your body-guards and take
photos of the people who pull them down (especially if this is
a no-no in the student rules and regulations).  They theme
here is to take a superior and controlling position in this
situation rather than cowering in the bushes.

>I can only imagine what it must
>be like for gay kids in the local high school.  

What, you don't remember?  Or was it different for you?  One
thing that you might want to consider is to see if the more
visible and vocal of your group wishes to form a panel
discussion group.  Then, after practicing and networking with
other panel groups to gain experience and self-assurance, you
can offer your group's service to speak at local HS psych
classes (or your own, for that matter).  It is a wonderful and
exciting thing to do.  Even if all the g/l youth can't attend,
knowing that your group was there and knowing that you all
were self-assured and positive about your life is more than
enough of a booster shot to their own self-esteem!


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: G/L Youth Suicide
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 07:32:43 GMT

Elaine Richards (booter@Autodesk.COM) wrote:
 
> Having straight women counsel lesbian girls and straight men counsel
> gay boys in an objective, compassionate and non-judgemental matter
> might make such accusations moot. Any guidance counselor or other
> youth worker worth her/his salt should be able to handle kids dealing
> with gender confusion without imposing the group norm on the kid.

Here at All-White-Male high, all of our young girls [oops,
young *women*] are counseled by male counselors.  So many
of our girls, you see, are having trouble finding their
*place* in society today.  All of our male counselors
are very compassionate and non-judgemental, and have
completed a special *three-hour* course in sensitivity
training, with *workbooks* on problems facing modern
women.  The men can be so much more *objective*, too,
than the women, don't you think?  After all, they're able
to stand back and see the situation for what it really
is, without letting their *emotions* get in the way.
Besides, it wouldn't really do to have the lady counselors
do it, now would it, not with all this *feminism* and,
well, you-know-what going around.  We wouldn't want
our young girls [oops, young *ladies*] to get *confused*
about their value to society, or fall in with the *wrong*
crowd.  Of course, this has nothing to do with their
*parents*--we stand on our principles here, and we
*vigorously* deny *any* rumors of, ahem, impropriety--that
*viscious* rumor about our former staff member was
*totally* unfounded, it never happened and it was an
isolated incident and the charges against him were finally
dropped.

Anyway, we're sure that our male staff has a much better
idea of what it takes for a woman to *fit* *in*, and we
really want our girls to have a *good* self image, ready
to take their proper place in society.

The mere fact that I, the principal, who happens to be
a White Male, can see the *value* of this approach so clearly 
and objectively *really* underscores its value, don't you think?

--jns  [managing to avoid the phrase 'fucking patronizing']
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: neill5@mamut.wlu.ca (neill kernohan 9207 A)
Subject: License Plate
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:11:40 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13]

I saw a license plate yesterday that just killed me:

X GWM X

Boy, was he cute, too!
-- 
Neill H. Kernohan                                   Life is not a
neill5@mach4.wlu.ca                              dress rehearsal!
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: new hankie codes?
Date: 23 Jul 92 19:47:38 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Jul23.183841.10126@spdcc.com> urso@spdcc.com
(Stephen Chappell) writes:

]In article <1992Jul21.214313.13249@uwm.edu>
]pst@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Stephen Thomas Iii) writes about
]"straight boys" wearing hankies in their pockets:

]It was amusing the other day to see a red hankie in the right pocket of this
]man holding on tightless with his MOTOS partner.  I suspect he didn't 
                ^^^^^^^^^ (meaning, I suppose, no spandex ...)
]realise quite what it meant.
                          (... which could be revealing.)
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From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Spanish spelling
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:15:23 GMT

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
:The idea that someone might pronounce it with
:the "j" as in "jello" is hilarious.  But then, Angelenos are
:notorious for making fun of tourists who mispronounce LA-area
:placenames of Spanish origin;

Now say 'Nieuwezijdse Voorburgwal.' Are we having fun yet?

						FJ!! (Angelenos who make fun of
						that do not sound like nice
						people.)