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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:12:18 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject:      Madonna
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Does anyone know if Madonna's new album is out yet?

Send e-mail so aishuffman%ist%vmi@ist.vmi.edu
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 08:16:38 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Losing My Religion
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Rick <MMLRICK%UBVM.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU> suggested in his latest post
that we get Van Morrison to sing Achy Breaky, and this started some
reverberations.

How many musicians do you know who "got saved" or found one religion or
another and all of a sudden their music went to hell?  Let me
offer:

	Van Morrison
	Leon Russell
	Bob Dylan

Is this inevitable?

Bob
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 09:05:14 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tuck & Patti
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              "Leonard Watkins" at Jul 28, 92 7:08 am

>
> Is there a Tuck & Patti album someone would like to recommend the only
> tune i can remember hearing is "high heel shoes"(?).
>
Yep, but it's at home--I'll tell you tomorrow.  It's really good.

In answer to your other post about the black man who was ashamed of the
blues--I have a great quote by Leroi Jones/Baraka on that--but it's also at
home, and if I try to do it from memory I'll screw it up.  So stand by.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:51:37 CDT
From:         Lee=Jenkins%Factory=Sup%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM
Subject:      re: King's X
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From:           Andrew Liles <ALILES%UGA.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU>
Date:           Tuesday, July 21, 1992 at 8:31:09 am CDT
[...]
>                            These guys are genuine, down to earth,
>normal people. They don't seem to be on a big ego trip like a lot of
>bands I've seen. They come out in the crowd before and after the shows
>and they thank people individually for coming. Maybe it's just that they
>aren't sick of the big crowds yet, but they really seem to love their
>audiences.

re: down to earth... they billed their show here a month or so ago as a
benefit concert.  the tickets were a very reasonable $10, and all proceeds
went to an organization in town (the name escapes me) that provides day-care
for children who are HIV positive.

i also saw them in austin the next night.  i couldn't beleive the ticket
price -- it was only $5, and they played for nearly two hours.  stuff like
that really stands out to me in a music industry that is so obsessed with
money.

>
>At the concert in Atlanta, Doug Pinnick (bass guitar / lead singer) blew
>up his bass amp. Then after the next song or 2, he blew up his spare
>amp. They were out of amps, so after a long conference on stage, they
>broke down the drums and brought them right up to the front of the stage
>and decided to do what they called - King's X Unplugged. Then they
>commenced to do the most incredible set I have ever seen. It looked and
>sounded as though the entire audience knew every word. I've never seen
>such emotion in a concert. All I could say was Wow!

that's really neat.  i saw them do a four-song acoustic set here in
houston last summer.  it is incredible to see a band that can perform
music that was originally all electric on acoustic instruments and
still have as much energy and emotion.  (read the sentence again, it will
make sense, i promise... :)

>
[...]
>you won't be disappointed. They are an incredible band lyrically and
>musically, and an intense emotional experience.

agreed.

>
>a n d r e w
>

it's funny, i read some reviews of the new release and they were very mixed.
but the bad reviews weren't about the *music*, mostly.  they just didn't like
the band's *lyrics*, the views that were being expressed in the songs.  it
struck me as an odd bone for a music magazine to pick.

lee
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: guitar riddles (was Re: red house)
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:37:34 GMT

Q:  What is the difference between a bull and a jobbing (or wedding)
band?

A:  With a bull, the horns are in the front and the asshole is in the
    back.
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:38:14 EDT
From:         Coleen Gallagher <coleeng@PILOT.NJIN.NET>
Subject: Re: crazy thought
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Eddie,
  There is at least one list that I know of that might interest you.  I'll
be back to you on that.  I have yet to hear that Achy Breaky song so I don't
have an opion of my own on it.  I was just wondering what you thought of it
because I belong to a jazz list and a lot people on that list call him Billy
Bob Kleenx.
                Coll
                   coleeng@pilot.njin.net
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:32:46 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CHANTS
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              "DMetcalf%IC-LOG@WALKER-LTT.ARMY.MIL" at Jul 22, 92 10:08 am

>
> I seem to remember a reference in an old sci-fi novel (was it 1984 or Animal
> Farm?) to the author (sometime in the early 1940's or earlier) predicting
> that the 'music of the people' would degenerate into mindless lyrical
> "chanting"... is that what's happened?  Did that 'way-back' author foresee
> "rap" music?  What impact will "rap" have on music in the future?  Is it a
> valid form of music, or only one ethnic group's means of self-expression in
> the face of frustration?
>
> ROTCOD ZZAJ
>
Rot, watch out here.  Not all chanting (including rap) is mindless or
lyrical.   I was really going to try to stay off my high horse, but I just
can't let this pass by.  Chanting is one of the most ancient and powerful forms
of music--it is percussive/rhythmic and brings the entire body into the
production of sound--you become a channel... Every religious and meditative
tradition has chants at its core... Rap has its ritual/healing side too, you
know--I would say even at its most apparently "demonic" it is churning up
destructive currents in a creative and constructive way by giving a voice to
the unspeakable.  And when it comes to "mindlessness," you have to distinguish
between Mantovani and Om... But now I also thought of the Nazis chanting Heil
Hitler.  Obviously chanting (as--I think it was Orwell in 1984 but not sure
now--knew) can be turned to evil as to good... but in itself chanting cannot be
disdained!  Also--I'm bothered by your either/or: "valid form of music OR one
ethnic group's means of self-expression in the face of frustration"--that neat
little opposition just threw out the BLUES... watch it!
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:34:25 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      sins and sinners
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   Mike B., I think you've got a good point wrt. country music sinners vs.
rock n' roll sinners.  THe country folk sin just as much, but they feel
guilty about it, and the know they're gonna burn in hell for their
transgressions. The rockers just say f*ck it, I'm having fun, and to hell
with you.  Maybe that's why the country-ers can get away with singing about
that stuff and the rockers can't:  a repentent sinner is ok, but an
unrepentent sinner is not.

   Is Zappa really dead?  If he is, it's disgustingly appropriate that Zappa,
perhaps our greatest defender of First Amendment rights, would die on the
same day that a musician, Ice-T, is forced to censor a song from his own
album.  I feel ill.....actually truly physically ill.....

Russ
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:07:45 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      scat sininging

is "scat singing" the type of singing that Ella does where there are no
real words just sounds?
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 11:36:10 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: crazy thought
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              "Leonard Watkins" at Jul 24, 92 2:52 pm

>
> This is just a crazy thought that i had to throw out. I wonder what the
> possibilities of us netters getting together and picking a record that
> is/was nor overly popular and telling all our friends (and ourselves)
> to purchase this record and with the wide scope of the net i wonder
> how far up the charts we could push this record. I'd be great to really
> pick a dog and propel to the top. What are your thoughts ? crazy huh
>
 The only thing crazy about this is ever agreeing on a record... "I can't
feature it" as my brother would say.  But it's a great idea--I'm game.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:43:07 CDT
From:         Lee=Jenkins%Factory=Sup%Mfg=Hou@BANGATE.COMPAQ.COM
Subject:      re: sins and sinnners
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From:           AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject:        re: re: sins and sinners
Date:           Wednesday, July 29, 1992 at 12:59:17 pm CDT

>I did not say that Country Music singers were perfect! I only said that they
>were not as bad of an influence as rock n' rollers & heavy metel.  There is a
>difference.

oh, i was trying so hard to stay out of this...

i have been a passive c&w listener for twenty some-odd years (i've been living
in texas, how could i possibly escape?).  i actually like some of it.  i have
participated in untold choruses of "you don't have to call me darlin',
darlin'," although i usually don't admit it in public.

but as far as this kind of music not being a bad influence -- just listen to
it.  the lyrics glorify immorality ("little rock", or my favorite, "heaven's
just a sin away") and embrace all kinds of folly in male-female relationships.
how do you define bad influence?

From:           Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:        sins and sinners
Date:           Wednesday, July 29, 1992 at 10:34:25 am CDT

>        ...Maybe that's why the country-ers can get away with singing about
>that stuff and the rockers can't:  a repentent sinner is ok, but an
>unrepentent sinner is not.

again, listen to the lyrics.  repentance seems pretty far from their minds in
a lot of cases.

of course it seems that the original post was *trying* to yank someone's
chain, and i took the bait.  perhaps i shouldn't have gotten into this -- i
just don't care enough to spend much time stating the obvious.


lee
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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:43:30 EST
From:         "W. John Weber" <WWEBER@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Country Music
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Date sent: 28-JUL-1992

>What do you mean that Mary Chapin Carpender & Rosanne Cash is not part of the
>country mainstream.  Rosanne Cash is the daughter of Hall of Fammer Johnny
>Cash & Carpender made her first TV Showing on the a Country Music Awards Show
>when she sang Opening Act.  Also I would like to say that Billy Rae Cyrus is
>being called the next ELVIS.
>
>Speaking of ELVIS.  His roots was in Country Music before Rock & Roll.  Also
>he was on the Grand Old Opry stage.  So Country Music and its artists are
>apart of todays America.

As I remember my Elvis history, E. almost gave up music after his poor
reception on the Opry stage.  Also, being a part (note the space between the
words) of today's America, doesn't really mean anything.  The L.A. riots are a
part of todat's america.  America's popular taste tends toward the vulgar
(watch the flames), and the "hick"ization of perfectly good songs by artists
with no interpretive talents--and their producers) is a part of that.  This is
my opinion.  It is not god's only truth by a long shot.  Please... I'm not
trying to fan any flames, even though it sure sounds like it.

                                           - W. John Weber

Email: wweber@ucs.indiana.edu          | It'd be nice if we could set all this
P.O. Box 22, Bloomington, IN 47402     | [sound equipment] up and look at it
Phone: (812)330-4965 (touch-tone pager)| for a while, then tear it down, and
                                       | not have to deal with the performers.
                                       |                          - Anon.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:29:40 PDT
From:         mike masuda <MASUDA@SJSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Losing My Religion
              29 Jul 1992 13:55:07 CDT from <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>

Bob Crispen,

What happened to Cat Stevens?  ;)
OTOH, look at Little Richard.  ;)
I wouldn't be caught dead doing a Taco Bell commercial.
OTOH again, look at James Brown.
If he plays his cards right, he might get back to the top of the charts.
I think it depends on the individual.

 3
M
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:21:43 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject:      re: sins and sinners
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Russ:

I would like to make my own comments about the sins of music.  Everybody sins
and needs to be forgiven by the grace of God.  But have you ever heard
ministers talk about how Country Music influences America's young people.  NO!
There is always talk that rock n' roll & heavy metel is the mail cause of
tennage acts of succide,murder, and devil worship;not to mention the doing of
Drugs.
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:54:52 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      live radio
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  Fresh Air on National Public Radio was live yesterday, and will be
today.  Yesterday they had jazz guitarist Bucky Pizzarelli (sp?) and
it was hot.  He's played with all the greats, from Django to Miles
to Dion (yes!).  He demonstrated each "greats" style, and then he
played Stardust, I think, solo, and then jammed with the Fresh Air
music composer.  And it was all live.  Our tax dollars (indirectly)
at work, and we should be thankful.

Russ
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:23:22 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      on vacation

SET ALLMUSIC NOMAIL


Going on a Mediterranean vacation for two weeks (Greece, Egypt, Israel,etc).
See ya'll when I return

Michelle
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:55:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      early Dylan chronology

>From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>

>OK, now let's let the list discuss whether Dylan lost his creative juice
>when he lost control of the handlebars. Here's a chronology of albums before
>& after Bob got hurled from the Harley (courtesy of Amerigrove):

>Bob Dylan (1962)
>Times They Are A-Changin' (1964)
>Another Side of Bob Dylan (1964)
>Bringing it all Back Home (1965)
>Highway 61 Revisited (1965)
>Blonde on Blonde (1966)

One glaring omission: the album after _Bob Dylan_ was _Freewheelin'_
with such Dylan classics as "Blowin' In The Wind", "Masters of War",
"Bob Dylan's Dream", "Don't Think Twice It's All Right", and "Hard
Rain's A-gonna Fall".

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:44:59 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Traffic??
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              M. Geoghegan" at Jul 22, 92 9:24 am

Shucks, I thought that was a post about Traffic.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:06:34 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      re: Losing My Religion
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              "MCINTYRE%MSUPA.BITNET@AMERICAN.EDU" at Jul 30, 92 1:30 pm

>
>
> Well, Dylan's last album before the accident was _Blonde on Blonde_.
> I'll concede that the album before that, _Highway Sixty-one Revisited_,
> is better than _Blonde on Blonde_, but I would not label _Blonde on
> Blonde_ evidence of a decline.  Now the albums after the accident...
>
> John McIntyre
>
Yep, the problem with this net is that when you stick your head out and make
a generalization beyond your knowledge level, somebody catches you at it.  I
really haven't followed Dylan enough to know, only enough to know that I
thought his early albums were the BEST and the rest... (I'm turning out to
be such an old fogy).  I do have to say, though, that I've learned that our
downtown public library has a seriously good CD collection, so I plan to trot
down there soon and borrow at least a few of the gaping holes in my musical
acquaintanceship.   On this subject I could make more true confessions but I
won't.
(since my limited musical interests may be quite obvious, I'm open to anyone's
suggestions of stuff I've GOT to listen to, but I'm don't think I'm ready for
Sonny Sharrock)
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 10:27:37 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      polka
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You haven't dug polka until you've watched northern Wisconsin's
 version of MTV on Sunday Morning, yippee, it's Polka Party.
 I'm sure glad I escaped from there.
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Date:         Tue, 21 Jul 1992 09:03:59 EDT
From:         Tim Johnson <ST402711@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: They're creepy and they're kooky

>I really
>dislike Stravinsky's "Pulcinella," the piece that unleashed neoclassicism on
>the world....

  Wait a sec.  Are you sure about this?

  When was that "Pulcinella" released, compared to Prokofiev's First
Symphony?  I'm not sure enough to say that Stravinsky didn't start
neo-classicism with Pulcinella, but I'm skeptical enough to ask you
for more information.

  I happen to like Pulcinella, though it isn't my favorite Stravinsky.

  (Symphony of Psalms is one of my favorites.)

  Actually, Stravinsky might be a good foil for contemporary composers.
He dabbled and experimented with so many styles, yet (for the most part)
made music that was "good" and not just "new."  I think too many
contemporary composers concentrate too much on the "new" and fail to
write music that has aesthetic as well as academic value.  (Of course,
I can list plenty of exceptions....)

                         -Tim
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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:41:32 EDT
From:         jcs <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: rap

>
>Just thought I'd interject that bit.
>Does anybody remember "Rapper's Delight" from the mid 1970s?
>Who did that?  It was like a thirty minute rap tune using a
>beat from another song from the times--a rock song.
>Anyone?

Sugar Hill Gang??
>
>Mike Masuda.
>Rapped around your finger.

JCS
going to wash her hands
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:31:32 -0400
From:         Russ Gelinas <R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      Clark, Dick
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  Ah, Dick Clark, that bastion of truth, justice, and the American Way.  He
was *compelled* to show that it was THE MUSIC, and not just him and all his
production companies/marketeers/radio flunkies, that made the hits.  Are we
actually supposed to believe his little story about peddling that lame tune
on American Bandstand?  Come on, Dick, that ploy is as old as you.

  For those of you looking for signs of a new Peter Gabriel release, wait
until you start hearing his songs with increasing regularity on FM radio.
In a similar way, with other artists, also look for guest VJ appearances
on MTV/VH1.  I predict a new, ah what's his name, the Eagles guy, Boys
of Summer, anyway, he'll have new album out soon.

Russ
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From:         "The Chrome-Plated Megaphone of Destiny"
              <ALEVIN@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>
Subject:      CD SplurgeFest VIII
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Well, the governer finally passed the state budget last week, so I got my
paycheck finally! 8) Here's what I picked up:

John Zorn/Naked City:
	When I was in Tower I saw two Naked City discs. One was an American
release (the one I picked up) with a picture of a guy lying in the street
with his face blown away. The other one which was an import had a topless
Asian woman on the cover. Are these the same? If they are, it says something
about censorship. It's not ok to show someone nude, but it's ok to show
someone with his face shot off. BUT ANYWAYS... This is another one of Zorn's
eclectic collections of tunes. It starts off with a rockabilly Duane Eddie
style guitar tune, then launches into a slow traditional jazz number. There's
a cover of an Ornette Coleman tune (I don't have the disc with me) which is
a lot more palatable than the covers he did on the _Spy VS Spy_ album. In the
middle of the disc it get strange. There are 6-7 cuts under a minute which
has everyone wailing away at full speed while a vocalist makes "interesting"
sounds. Just when you think it's through, you hear a new cut come on with
a traditional jazzy drumbeat and you relax. Just when you think you're safe.
SQQQQQQQQEEEEEEEK, BANG, BOOM! It starts up again. I burst out laughing.
the last third of the disc is looser with covers of "Chinatown" and the
James Bond Theme.

Sun Ra: Blue Delight
	Cut out bin madness! I picked up this CD for 6.99 in the cut out
jazz section. I've never heard Sun Ra before but I've heard talk of him on
here, so I decided this would be a cheap first investment. I was expecting
something weird after seeing the picture of him on the cover wearing his
"distinctive" attire. Surprise! It's all traditional jazz with covers of
songs like "Days of Wine and Roses." I think I like his own compositions on
here the best. The title tune is incredible. So where's this wierd guy
everyone's been talking about?

Miles Davis: Round About Midnight
	This one's up there with _Miles and Coltrane_ and _Kind of Blue_
as one of my favorite Miles discs. Same period and style as the other two.

Fish: Internal Exile
	The ex-Marillion vocalist/writer's latest solo album. I don't like
this quite as much as the stuff he did with Marillion. I think his band is
trying to get the Marillion sound, but I feel something missing. Low point
is the cover of "Something's In the Air" with it's sampled dance beat. High
point is the lyrics.


-Adam
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