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From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: American Jews and Lubavitch
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:47:57 GMT

In article <1haf6uINNc37@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> hook@unixg.ubc.ca (Chris Hook) writes
:

>I don't know about you (Norman Miller), but I strongly doubt
>that the so-called christian coallition of the Republican
>party (i.e., your reference to Robertson and Buchanan) is going
>to take over America (this stuff seems to have broken up
>the Republican party more than it has strengthened it).
>Times have changed too much and the western world appears to be
>increasingly headed to a system of absolute
>secularism. America is certainly not at the point of
>secularization that I see Canada and Western Europe to be at,
>but it seems reasonable to me at least that it will follow suit.

I hope you're right of course, but in any event I wasn't really
thinking of a right-wing takeover by the two Pats: they were meant
to serve as stand-ins for a whole herd of possibly low-level and
local types who would nevertheless add up to a lot of trouble in
the area of church-state relations.

This isn't the place to discuss Republican party politics, so I won't.
Regarding the world-wide trend toward secularism, I agree with you
altogether.  But trends can have bumps in them and the U.S. is a
peculiar place.  For the last 50 or so years that people have been
asked about their religious beliefs, the U.S. has not only been consis-
tently the most "religious" of the nations studied, but 2 or 3 or 4
times so: in other words, far beyond mere mathematical standards of
"significance".  It would not surprise me, given the sharp decline
in recent years of the power of the old WASP establishment, to see
some dramatic instances of fundamentalist surges.  All of these
would of course be adverse to Jewish interests.

>
>Its quite interesting to read forecasts of Judaism in an approach-
>ing secular system by writers such as Martin Buber, Jacob
>Neusner, and others. I don't know if you would throw all such
>writers in with the Habadnicks, but those writers also seem to indicate
>a real threat to Judaism via assimilation into a secular system
>(I don't think they forsaw government intervention into Judaism -
>instead just apathetic assimilation).


Buber and Neusner in bed with Habad?  I doubt it.  I too see assimi-
lation as a serious threat.  And as I've said already, I personally
doubt whether the small number of talented American Jews will be
enough to keep us afloat.  Israel is probably the only chance in the
long run.

Norman Miller
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From: david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu (David Kaufmann)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Some good news from Crown Heights
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:27:10 GMT
Organization: E.E. Dept., Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-25374]: bourbon

Despite much of the media feeding frenzy, it's important to remember
that Crown Heights is about the only place where Jews and blacks still
live side by side and that the vast majority of the residents share
the same goal of safe streets and a good neighborhood. (During the
pogrom in August '91, most of the rioters were from _outside_ the
neighborhood and destroyed black businesses as well as Jewish.)

But I wanted to comment on Dr. Laz, whom I've had the pleasure to
meet. As part of his work for his Ph.D. in special education, he
taught a learning disabled class in an inner-city Buffalo school. His
experiences are recorded in his book, _Skullcaps and Switchblades_.
It's a funny, touching book, a quick read and I highly recommend it
for anyone interested in the issue of better relations, education or
morality. (Available from CIS PRess.)

Dr. Laz also has some records out and performs for colleges and other
organizations. (You can get his phone number from the Brooklyn
directory assistance.)

(Note: I'm posting this solely because I admire Dovid Lazerson and his
work.)

David Kaufmann
INTERNET:	david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu
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From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Late 4 Dec Mincha
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 20:35:39 GMT

In scj you wrote:
> gertler@cyclone (Don Gertler) writes:

> >This is actually a complex issue.  If the town has already accepted
> >Shabbat (i.e., the only shul has, or all of them, if more than one
> >exist), many would say that you have now missed mincha, even if you
> >still have time.  If you are already in shul, and the shul itself
> >has already been mekabel Shabbat, you may have an even harder time
> >finding a psak to still daven mincha.
> 
> Harder?  Not that hard.  The saying of a late mincha is not a melacha
> or otherwise prohibited on Shabbos.  The usual middle blessings are
> left out on Shabbos to not delay the congregation.  If a congregation
> agrees to the delay, what's the problem?

Well, since it is now Shabbat, you are obligated to say ma`ariv.  Of
course, you haven't yet said mincha, so you've missed it.  You'll have
to make it up by saying two amidahs at ma`ariv, provided it was an
unintentional delay.  (If it was deliberate, then you can't even make
it up.)

Okay, so you're ready to say the ma`ariv amidah twice.  The weekday
one is not appropriate.  Even if you chose to say the regular brakhot
of the weekday amidah (assuming it's okay), you'd still have to mention
Shabbat with the appropriate additions.  Hence, you may not be able
to say a vanilla minchah.

-Don
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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Shaliach Tzibur (aka "Cantor") and Music
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 08:01:30 GMT

My shul does its part in perpetuating the traditional nusach by having
all of our members who have the abilitity to serve as chazzanim leave
Israel during the holidays to get paying jobs.  Then we have a stormy
meeting after the holidays are over to complain about the amateur
chazzanim which ends with a committee being appointed to look into the
matter (and another to deal with the problem which is variously
defined as either children disturbing the prayers or children being
made to feel unwelcome in shul).

Oh, I wanted to talk about nusach.  If someone does the nusach
correctly (as opposed to singing opera), that's fine.  If someone
wants to sing other tunes, that's fine with me, too.  Whatever works.
If someone does want to sing opera, that's fine with me as long as
they don't do it in my shul.  We get guests every so often who do
that, there's just no time before Musaf for auditions ...
-- 
/|/-\/-\          "If there really was a Jewish conspiracy to run the
 |__/__/_/        world, my rabbi would have let me in on it by now.
 |warren@         I contribute enough to the shule."
/ nysernet.org 			    Saul Goodman
From: engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean Philip Engelson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: How Do You Spell (C)Han(n)uk(k)a(h) in English?
Date: 31 Dec 1992 12:39:05 -0500
Organization: Yale AI Mobile Robotics Project
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In article <9212311544.AA15377@cyclone.sbi.com>, gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler) writes:
|> afrydman@granpa.enet.dec.com (Avi Frydman) writes:
|> > drukier@cast0.ast.cam.ac.uk (Gordon Drukier) writes...
|> > > waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Todd J. Dicker) writes:
|> 
|> >   Anyone for a side-thread to see how many variant spellings we
|> > >can come up with? Let's see...
|> 	..........
|> Using the Subject line's example, we would have 2^4 possibilities:
|> 
|> Ch-/H-      -nn-/-n-     -kk-/-k-     -ah/-a
|>  1  0         1   0        1   0        1  0

I used a couple more variants gleaned from this discussion (and
others) to come up with what I believe to be the truly definitive set.
Admittedly, some of them look pretty weird, but remember, they're all
Legitimate(tm)...

Chanuka		Chanukah	Chanukka
Chanukkah	Chanuca		Chanucah
Channuka	Channukah	Channukka
Channukkah	Channuca	Channucah
Hanuka		Hanukah		Hanukka
Hanukkah	Hanuca		Hanucah
Hannuka		Hannukah	Hannukka
Hannukkah	Hannuca		Hannucah
Khanuka		Khanukah	Khanukka
Khanukkah	Khanuca		Khanucah
Khannuka	Khannukah	Khannukka
Khannukkah	Khannuca	Khannucah

A little late, but:

	H A P P Y   K H A N N U C A ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
				    \ \ \ \ | / / / /
				     \ \ \ \|/ / / /
				      ------|------
					    |
					   / \
-- 
Sean Philip (Shlomo) Engelson		
Yale Department of Computer Science	
Box 2158 Yale Station			
New Haven, CT 06520			
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From: gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)
Subject: Re: Conversion Question
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <gertler@cyclone.sbi.com (Don Gertler)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 20:32:55 GMT

ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:

> Conservative Rabbinical authorities share a basic belief that the
> Torah is divinely inspired;

So am I right, or am I right?

-Don Gertler
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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Feld Fraud?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:29:50 GMT


Note carefully the quesion mark.

I am starting to become suspicious of this affair. I know something
about current U.S. Jails, and the claim that the Felds have spent the
past month shackled hand and foot, in a Jail in Santa Clara,
California to the extent that they cannot lay tefillin simply doesn't
compute.

Could someone we know please check this independently by going
there? There is the possibility this is a scam to get money out
of people.

Profuse apologies if I'm wrong, but this MUST be independently
checked.

-- 
David Sternlight
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From: wiesel-elisha@cs.yale.edu (Elisha Wiesel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Tzahal 1-yr program
Date: 22 Dec 1992 19:29:55 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zoo-gw.cs.yale.edu

There supposedly exists a one-year program in Tzahal for Americans over
the age of twenty-two.  Has anyone out there heard anything about it, or
even participated in it?  I'm eager to go, but I have several questions
I need resolved and do not even know where to reach the appropriate agencies
in Israel...

Please respond either by E-mail or Usenet; I don't want to post my huge
list of questions unnecessarily.

Shalom,

-- Elisha

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From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Feld Brothers
Date: 23 Dec 1992 19:38:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin

From the San Jose Mercury News, Tuesday, Dec 22:

Two brothers accused of conspiring to murder a Palo Alto child
psychiatrist and his wife were arraigned Monday in Santa Clara County
Superior Court.

Austin Feld, a rabbi and pscyhologist, and Scott Feld, a sheep farmer,
both from Jerusalem, were held for trial earlier this month after a
four-day preliminary hearing on charges of conspiracy to murder Saul and
Judith Wasserman and conspiracy to burglarize their Palo Alto home.

The Felds did not enter pleas Monday. A bail hearing was set for
Wednesday and a trial date was set for Jan. 19. They remain in custody
in lieu of $750,000 bail.

The pair were arrested Nov. 19 in a Safeway parking lot less than a
mile from the Wasserman home. In the trunk of their rental car, police
said they found two large kitchen knives, ski masks, gloves, plastic
handcuffs, nylon stockings, a rubber mallet, flashlights, scissors,
packing tape, and hand-drawn diagrams of the interior of the
Wassermans' home.

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From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Hanukkah's significance
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:34:42 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: israel@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert B. Israel)

In article <israel.724969367@unixg.ubc.ca>, israel@unixg (Robert B. Israel) writes:
>That Jews celebrate Hanuka and not Shavuot, I agree, is a shame.  That
>non-Jewish Americans (and Canadians) have heard about Hanukah and not
>Shavuot is, to me, not so disturbing.  It has to do with the essence of
>the holiday, and not just the proximity of that other holiday.

Yet paradoxically, while Chanukah has no analogues in Christianity, and
is known merely through the coincidence of the timing, Shavuos is the
direct inspiration for Pentecost.  The very name means "fiftieth".
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: moskowit@panix.com (Len Moskowitz)
Subject: Re: (Jewish) Kabbalistic Meditation ?
Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 23:40:31 GMT

Cindy Smith writes:

> I posted only what my teacher taught me.  Since you say the things my 
>teacher taught me are absolutely wrong, can you please be 
>specific so that I can tell my teacher why you say he is absolutely 
>wrong?  I would like to discuss what you think is absolutely wrong 
>with Rebbe Blumenthal.

I'll be happy to discuss this in private e-mail.

I'm curious: What is Rabbi Blumenthal's background?  Where was he
educated and from whom did he learn Kabbalah?  How did he come to teach
"Kabbalah" to Episcopalians and by what authority?

I'm assuming that he is not an academician along the lines of Gershon
Scholem.  If he is, and from your post about the Zohar being a 13th
Century text he almost certainly is, we won't have much to discuss.
(Scholem was a university professor and approached Kabbalah using
secular methods.  He was not a Kabbalist in the traditional Jewish sense
of the word.)

-- 
Len Moskowitz
moskowit@panix.com
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From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Jewish Joke of the Day
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:57:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.025906.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de writes:

>In article <BzMv2y.EDv@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca>,
ward@sun17.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Paul A.S. Ward) writes:

>> Sorry, the best bit of grafitti definitely has to be

>> "Absolute Zero is OK"

>Me, I prefered "Heisenberg Rules May Be OK"

Don't you mean "Heisenberg _might_ have slept here."
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
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From: hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
Subject: Re: "Technicalities" (was The NYPD situation)
Date: 24 Dec 92 16:18:29 GMT
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com

In article <CWT.92Dec24094147@shockley.mitre.org> cwt@mitre.org (Carl Traber) writes:
>cwt@mitre.org (Carl Traber) writes, in response to an article by
>   jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:
>
Mr Livni's post was deleted and the following "You make me feel
sick" was also posted by Mr. Traber.  Mr. Livni felt that Yankel
Rosenbaum's murderer was unfairly exonerated in spit of
overwhelming evidence of guilt.

>   [snip]
>
>   You make me feel sick.  I pray that, should I ever have to face
>   charges in a court of law, that I get a jury that is as careful as
>   we were.  And from the conversations I had with other jurors while
>   we were waiting to be selected (or not) for subsequent trials, I
>   have every expectation that such careful consideration is the de-facto
>   condition with juries, and not the exception.
>
>Please accept my apology for misspeaking (mistyping?).  I should have
>said that it is your attitude that I detest.  And that attitude is a
>sure-fire way to destroy what I perceive as a great guardian of our
>liberty, AS LONG AS JURIES CAN BE COUNTED UPON TO RENDER FAIR AND
>IMPARTIAL VERDICTS.  Unfortunately, I have also heard of some
>communities where the distrust between black and white citizens runs
>so deep that black jurors are now routinely refusing to convict other
>blacks, in spite of overwhelming evidence of guilt.  And this due to
>their stated perception of unfairness in the system vis-a-vis blacks.
>
>
>-- Carl Traber    cwt@shockley.mitre.org
>                  My opinions, not MITRE's


Having seen posts on both sides of this issue, I think that I can
say that both of you agree especially with the capitalized
portion of the last paragraph.  Mr Livni was saying that the situation
Mr. Traber "also heard of" actually occurred in this case and in
many other cases in New York.

-- 
____________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz    |     Im ain ani li mi li    |
| H_Markowitz@att.com | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha |
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From: jgoldber@todah.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Subject: Re: cookbooks
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:58:25 GMT

In article <3085@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>So far the only cold soup that I've come across which isn't a cream
>soup is gazpacho.  Last summer I asked for suggestions for cold
  There are many cold soups based on vegetables. My Enchanted Broccoli
  Forest and Moosewood are tossing about in the North Atlantic, but I
  recall they have a number of good recipes.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 13:15:05 EST
From: <PROMISLO@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Talmud on determining sex

I am a biologist with an interest in sex determination mechanisms.
I recently came across this line in the Talmud from Nidah 31a.
"R. Isaac citing R. Ammi stated: If the woman emits her semen
first she bears a male child; if the man emits his semen first
she bears a female child; for it is said, If a woman emits semen
and bear a man-child (Lev. XII,2).

Does anyone know of further commentary on this passage?
A British biologist has suggested that the uterine environment
may affect the probability of which kind of sperm gets fertilized,
and so which sex is conceived.  Without going into the details
of his theories, it seems as though his idea may be derivative,
on the order of a few millenia!  I'd be interested in any more
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca (Aryk Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Andy the Canadian something
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:01:30 GMT

>(For those who don't know, Hockey is the national pastime of Canada)


No way!  Lacrosse is the national sport!  Hockey is just a sideshow.
Date: Tuesday, 29 December 1992 22:59:12 MST
X-Mailer: TMail version 1.15R
From: "D. C. Sessions" <dcs@witsend.tnet.com>
Organization: Nobody but me -- really
Subject: Re: Mezuza question
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world

In <1992Dec28.183156.9334@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, seth@inst-sun1.tmc.edu (Seth Chazanoff)  wrote:
# 	Thank-you for answering the Mezuza question.  My wife and I have also
# bought a new home and I was going to ask in a couple of weeks (after escrow
# closes).  I have another question though.  What are the rules for removing a
# Mezuza when you sell a house?  Can the old Mezuza be moved to the new house?

  Especially this time of year, the new owners might be a bit
  cold without them.  Is it even legal to sell a house w/o?

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From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)
Subject: Re: Reich, Rubin, Kanter?
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 23:20:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.195753.1116@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:

>Yes? Anyone else?

Shalala.


--Mark
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From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re: All Arabs are guilty
Date: 28 Dec 92 04:39:43 GMT
	<1992Dec27.173957.4658@informix.com>
	<BzxrCA.DKF@newsflash.concordia.ca>
	<1992Dec27.233559.25590@nysernet.org>
Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41

In article <1992Dec27.233559.25590@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
>   There is enough land there for everyone.  The early Zionists
>   anticipated living together in peace with the few Arabs who were
>   already there;  they did not anticipate that the Arabs would want to
>   drive the Jews into the sea.

This is rather simple propaganda.  You try to cast the early Zionists
as purely peace-loving.  And you try to make it seem that Palestine
was basically empty before the Zionists came.  Similar nonsense is
often spouted by the South African whites, who often insist that South
Africa was devoid of blacks when it was colonized by the whites.

The early Zionists certainly hoped that the Arabs wouldn't want to
drive the Jews into the sea.  They did not, however, all settle in
Palestine with simplistic views of living in peace and harmony.
Zionist settlers were routinely equipped and trained in the use of
arms.  With good reason, as there were often violent disagreements
with the locals.  Many Zionist settlers did try to live with
neighboring Arabs, even employing them in various tasks.  But when the
Zionist authorities (those of the Jewish Fund) heard about such
cooperation, they quickly squelched it.  Jewish farmers found to be
hiring Arabs lost financial and political support.  Jewish settlements
built next to Arab villages were moved further away, and shared water
supplies and other such infrastructure were duplicated, to reduce any
opportunity for such cooperation.  Of course the reason for that was
that the Zionist authorities were trying to create more jobs for
immigrating Jews.  But the result was that they were sowing separation
and mistrust.


--
=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: "rob brickman" <rob.brickman@canrem.com>
Subject: "re: vatican recognit
Reply-To: "rob brickman" <rob.brickman@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 26 Dec 92 07:57:37 EST

(Continued from the previous message)

   exclusion of others and without regard for their rights.

I think that will do as a start.  We've barely scratched the surface here, but
you deserve time to compile your references.  To be quite clear here, I am
perfectly willing to permit you your opinion, no matter how noxious.  What I am
not prepared to let stand are opinions based on anything other than verifiable
facts.

I will also not stand by while the memory of my family and six million others
is defamed to make a crass political point about the Vatican, which has
historically been at the root of much of European Jewry's problems for the past
two millenia.

Rob Brickman
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