HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: The Last Oregon NCOD??
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 16:19:02 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.182049.21438@eskimo.celestial.com> nickn@eskimo.celestial.com (Nick Nussbaum) writes:
>
>I agree with George Madison that you should send a check
>to fight proposition 9 in Oregon. If you do, be aware
>that they need to know your employers  name and address
>and your occupation for Oregon campaign laws.
>I sent a check and they had to mail back for the information
>before they could use the money.

This sounds a bit dangerous, after my previous experience at WPI employeers
will take attacks by phobes on the employeer out on employees. If OCA
harasses you at home you have some recourse, but if they harass your
employer then you have to convince your employer to take it up with the FBI.
Instead they will just suggest that you not go making controversial
donations.  

Out if curiousity what are you supposed to do if you have multiple
employeers? I'm going to be paying self employment tax this year, but
there is also a good chance I'll be employed by someone else as well.
Could I list myself as my employeer?

Could an organization registered outside of Oregon recieve donations
from people who are afraid of having the OCA getting ahold of there
employers address, and then give them to the organizations in Oregon?

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From: kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater )
Subject: Anyone who knows Jean T. of Cranston RI PLEASE read this!!!
Originator: kjc7435@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:12:00 GMT

Hi!  I'm looking for a lesbian penfriend of mine...if you know her,
please give her a printout of this, and tell her to get in touch.

Her name is Jean Toms; she lived in Cranston RI until August 5th or
thereabouts.  We were penfriends from January-August...
she sent me a letter Aug. 5th telling me that she was being forced to
move and go to live with her mother, as a couple in her apartment
complex had been caught by the police for selling crack.  the building
has been possessed by the police ever since, and I can guess that my
letter asking her to get in touch that I sent her last week has not been
forwarded for some reason.

she also told me that she worked/works for the Bali bra company, so if
you know the local address of the Providence RI/Boston MA branch of this
company, please send it to me, as I might be able to find her through
their Personnel Division.....

she also told me she went to a local support group meeting near where
she lived, where they mostly discussed safer sex topics and showed
videos....if you are a member of this group and think you know where she
is, please get in touch with me.

Thanks ever so much,

Kerry Cater.

send e-mail to: "kjc7435@ritvax.isc.rit.edu".
From: chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: "Bashers" Article in "The New Republic"
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:00:06 EDT

To all net people interested in what's going on in Oregon,

There is an article titled "Bashers" in the latest (9/21) issue of "The New
Republic."  It talks about the Oregon Citizens Alliance, worried about "a
homosexual takeover of southern Oregon."

Read it for an insight into how the phobes *think* (if that is the appropriate
word) ;-)

Frank

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CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
From: mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: A Conversation With Matthew
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:04:31 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <BuGws3.AIM@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim
Pierce) wrote:
> 
> In article <72213@apple.Apple.COM> mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> 
> >So what was a beautiful forest of towering oaks and delicate
> >maples has become a nightmare of hate, and the creatures all
> >have fled.
> 
> And then there are the saps ....

And then there is the bird shit on the bark...  What an unusual sensation
it must be for you, Mr. Pierce, to come out of an ass as well as in one.
Have you decided, yet, where you're going to drop yourself on the Left 
Coast?  

Matthew Melmon
From: laura@hoptoad.uucp (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: To Laura
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:06:57 GMT
Reply-To: laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco

In article <1992Sep14.235432.26282@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>
>|>
>|>And you again fail to address the point I made above.  Is it possible
>|>for members of a minority to act in ways that defeat group goals?
>
>/(schiles)
>/Whose group, Bob?  Who is defining these goals?  And which minority?  I
>/rather suspect that we are all in the minority.               
>
>
>
>Doesn't matter whose group.  Doesn't matter what minority.
>
>The question is an abstract:  is it possible that it could ever happen?  
>
>If yes, describe what it looks like.
>If no, then describe why it is impossible.


Well, the most obvious historical group I can think of are the
``Jewish Leader'' Groups which the Nazis established in the 
countries they overrun.  These people, by and large, thought
that they were protecting Jews by submitting to Nazi rule,
and making sure that only ``stateless Jews'' were deported
by the enemy.

In most places their Jewish councils were sent to death too.

So yes, there are groups who have historically worked against
the groups they tried to represent.  Look at the  Dutch 
``Joodse Raad'' as an indication of how that can happen.


Very enlightening, about how compromise with evil can create
over 100,000 deaths in Hollands alone (this is a low estimate,
maybe 150,000 is more accurate.  The true count will forever
live between those and 200,000).

----------------

So, the Joosde Raad, which had every opprtunity not to form,
under the Nazis formed and did great harm to the Dutch Jews 
--------------------

May this always be remembered.

---------------------

So what the hell does this have to do with ``Nellies'

except that some of us who have read history have discovered that
appeasement does not work.
really does not work.

didn't work in 1939,
doesn't work now.
will never work.

laura

-- 
	C unions never strike; they only work to rule.

Laura Creighton 
toad@toad.com
hoptoad!laura
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:51:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep11.155117.21397
Organization: insert anything here

lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:

>Remove all discrimination laws (including any regarding religion), and
>make homosexuals and heterosexuals equal in all respects under the law.
>Marriages, military service, equal protection from police, etc.

	Didja ever notice that the "no special rights" people
never mention what "special rights" are?  If they did it would be
easy to set up a rule that forbade any "special right" for a specific
group: no AA, no anti-discrimination laws, no hate-crime laws, etc.

	Oops - but in doing so, everyone would be equal.  That would
mean gay marriages, the inability to fire people on the basis of X,
etc. etc. etc.


	"No special rights" is a GREAT idea.  It's too bad that
the people promoting it have no intention of going through with it,
except of course to retain "special rights for white/heterosexual/rich"
people.

BBC
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From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Publicity
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 19:44:37 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge):
> But I agree with your central point, Matthew: that Republicans are
> using the "family values" claptrap strictly towards a political end,
> and that the issue is of little importance to the majority of the
> GOP.

well, i don't agree with either of you on this.  perhaps,
*i'm* being paranoid, but i think "family values" has
political and social overtones as i discover these "different"
arenas overlapping more and more like venn diagrams.

> All of which makes me very glad that I don't belong to a political
> party that is so intellectually bankrupt that it finds it necessary 
> to bash me and my kind in order to mask its inability to deal with
> other issues.

lately, i've been thinking of the republican party as an
oversized insurance agent for a paranoid people,
especially republican gays who buy into its policies.
the problem is that they've lost their investment if gay
rights doesn't slam headfirst into the institution, but most
signs point in this direction, and after the accident,
republican gays will find themselves at the mercy of
their party's auditors.
-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
From: pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: To Laura
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:43:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep10.154319.1204
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep10.144505.29289@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>In article <1992Sep10.141157.25594@spdcc.com> pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir) writes:
>>
>>If someone is going to accept me, I want it to be without strings. I
>>offer the same deal in return. 
>
>Isn't there some kind of contradiction?
>When you ask someone to accept you without strings, isn't that a string?

You can have NOTHING without ANY conditions.. if something exists it has
situations and conditions associated with it by default. You are taking
the use of the phrase beyond its normal range.

I expect someone to accept me for what and who I am. If they don't like
me, nothing is keeping them near me. If I don't like them, the same is true.
I like diversity. I don't exepect other people to change to suit my views.
If I see something new, I either grow or I don't confront it. Simple.

I can't make you grow. I can't make you do something you don't want to do.
If something bothers you, leave it alone and go somewhere else, or deal.

NOW is that clear enough?

Scott
(Who isn't in the mood to play with semantics)


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From: conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Could it happen in Lafayette, IN?
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:32:05 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1992Sep4.212534.3597@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> berninge@iron.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger) writes:

>They caught us by surprise this time.  One of Lafayette, Indiana's
>city councilmen, Jerry Ledbetter, has submitted a proposal to the
>council to add sexual orientation to the city's anti-discrimination
>clause.  If it passes, Lafayette would be the first community in
>Indiana to have such a clause (this according to the article in the
>Lafayette Journal and Courier -- on the front page, no less).

That latter assertion surprises me, but I guess it depends on how you
count it.

In fact, Bloomington IN passed such a policy in the mid 1970s.  I was at
the town meeting where the vote took place (I believe it was not even
the first in Indiana at the time).

A year or so later, the state of Indiana rescinded the clause, saying
only the state was entitled to decide about discrimination.

It sounds like they have changed their minds now (or had it changed for
them).  Perhaps Lafayette is the first attempt since that time?

Jon Alan Conrad
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From: jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Subject: Re: Just how effective are pickup lines?
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyle, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 08:07:35 GMT

Arne Adolphson (adolphso@mizar.usc.edu), dear
one with no *clue* about raising children, wrote:
 
> jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> > John Dorrance (thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu), who
> > should know, 
> 
> Sometimes I think the only way we'll ever manage 
> to keep him from, um, wandering around would be 
> to tie him to a tree in the backyard.

You may remember that we tried something similar
once, but his squeals of delight were so loud that
it attracted all the neighbors.  Another approach
seems called for.

> > > 'Pardon me, but your moustache is all mussed up.' 
> > > (comb it down with your tongue)
> 
> Jeff, dear, please have that talk with your son.

But *why*?  It sounds like a good idea to *me*!
And he's being very polite.  What's the problem?

> > Close to a favorite of mine: "Excuse me, but
> > may I taste your moustache?"
> 
> Harumpff.  Like father, like son.  Perhaps *I* should
> sit him down and lay down the law.

Maybe better just to lay him down and sit on him.
But I'm not sure that would work much better than
suggestion #1.

> > [Sounds silly, but it worked with Arne.]
> 
> That was in the springtime of our love, sweetheart.
> Besides, *we* are adults.

Well, then maybe the seasons are changing for
sweet little JD too.  It's probably time for us
to realize that he's growing up, and starting
to look for a man of his own. I remember thinking
once that it could be quite joyous: we wouldn't
be losing a son, we'd be gaining a son-in-law.

--jns
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From: buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Pro-Gay school program receives protests
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:39:53 GMT

lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat) writes:

>Donald - Strange.  I've seen that face before ...
Grace Jones. "Libertango". (heard in the movie FRANTIC starring Harrison Ford).
-- 
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"The difference between leadership and government is that leadership has a
soul." -- Anna Quindlen, on George Bush, in the May 6, 1992 _New York Times_
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:00:44 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5


 Greg Parkinson writes:
 >I don't think there's a place which serves peanut butter and jelly
 >sammiches AND has room for 40+ leatherfolk. :-)

[Argument about nature vs. nurture as regards S. Dyer deleted]
----------

What's this about not having room for 40+ leatherfolk?  Smacks of
ageism, if you ask me!   

Oh.  I get it.  Never mind.
----------
Mike Drayton      mdrayton@sr.hp.com       Hewlett-Packard Co.
                                           Santa Rosa, California
From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure (repeat)
Date: 15 Sep 92 22:51:20 GMT
Organization: The Autodesk Menagerie - Housecat Division

In article <15430@umd5.umd.edu> jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes:
>
>Apparently CBS is re-running the episode of _Northern Exposure_ concerning
>Cicely and Roslyn, the lesbian founders of the town in which the show
>takes place.  This will air *tonight*, September 14th.
>

It was great. I missed it first time around. Definitely a three-hanky
story.

ER
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From: mritchie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael S Ritchie)
Subject: Re: Anthony Perkins
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:15:09 GMT


What the LA Times apparently left out about Perkins' interview with
People 10 years ago or so is that he also alluded to the fact that
he had been "saved" from homosexuality by either medical science or a
good straight woman, I forget which.  Not so noble, Tony.  God bless
you, anyway.

Michael
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: A parable...
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 13:08:04 GMT

Good for you. There are no groups, institutions or societies.
There are only individuals.
All we can do is make distinctions,
but then it is we who make them.
-ecsd
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From: awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING)
Subject: Re: Editorial about AIDS
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:32:08 GMT


   The following is retyped without permission.

   Found in our university newspaper, the ROUND UP, 9-11-92 (grammar left
   unchecked for sake of expediency):

   MANDATORY AIDS TESTING GETS BAD MARKS

   By Terrance Vestal, Round Up Arts and Entertainment Editor

   Mandatory AIDS testing for health care workers, or anybody else for
   that matter, would serve no better purpose than branding a big "A" on
   their forehead or putting the Star of David on the sleeves of the Jews
   in Nazi Germany.

   AIDSphobics, people who's paranoia stems from their own ignorance,
   have banned people with the dreaded disease from jobs, housing and
   basic medical care.  This fear also triggers violence against acquired
   immune-deficiency syndrome sufferers, as if they didn't have enough to
   worry about.

   Some people, like Jerry Falwell and Jesse Helms, have even gone so far
   as to suggest that we round these people up and put them away in
   internment camps.  I sugest that we round up these ignoramuses, like
   the reverend and senator, and put them away so they don't contaminate
   the gene pool.

   I've met people who have tested positive for HIV, the suspected virus
   that causes AIDS, and if they didn't tell me about their condition I
   would have never guessed it--young, healthy-looking people in the
   prime of lives that have been unfortunately overshadowed by an ugly
   twist of fate.

   When people realize that AIDS cannot be contracted through casual
   contact, that people with AIDS are people just the same, that people
   with AIDS deserve the same kind of dignity, respect and compassion
   that everyone else does, then maybe we can concentrate on beating this
   thing before it beats us.

   Just in case:

	   Letters, Round Up, Box CC, University Park, NM  88003

   --
   Andrew Werling    awerling@nmsu.edu    yip@acca.nmsu.edu
   "Jesus is coming, look busy."
	     --from a button I bought in an Albuquerque bookstore.
--
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"Jesus is coming, look busy."
          --from a button I bought in an Albuquerque bookstore.
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From: pc@linus.mitre.org (Penny Chase)
Subject: NPR on Printing "Gay Ideas"
Organization: Research Computer Facility, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:43:33 GMT

This morning NPR's Morning Edition had a report on the trouble Beacon
Press had in finding a printer for "Gay Ideas," a book of essays by
Univ. of Illinois philosopher Richard Moore.  Beacon Press was turned
down by 23 printers before they found one willing to print the book.
The director of the press said that she knew the book was
controversial, but she hadn't expected the first battle to be finding
a printer (she thought that since printers are also in publishing that
they would have been on the press's side).  The book was turned down
because it contains photographs and drawings (by Mapplethorpe and Man
Ray, among others) that the print shops considered pornographic and
would offend their workers.  It turns out that one of the printers
that turned down the book prints Penthouse Magazine.  The NPR reporter
asked a spokesman for that print shop if there was a double standard
operating.  The spokesman said he didn't think so, but the reporter
could draw whatever conclusion he wanted to.  The NPR reporter then
wondered what would happen if some of their female employees objected
to printing Penthouse, would they stop printing it?  The spokesman
said that he couldn't answer that.  Truly a priceless moment.

	Penny
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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: accordion bashing
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:16:04 GMT

> katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:

>By either conspiracy or coincidence, there was a piece on the news last
>night about ... accordions! It mentioned how many folks play(ed) the 
>accordion - Elvis being the most notable. But the best remark was from
>this man running an accordion festival, who exclaimed that San Francisco
>is the accordion capital of the world!

Yeah...there's a group here called (something like) Those
Darn Accordions.  They held a Lady-of-Spain-athon here a
few months ago -- the more pledges they received (to buy
plane tickets to an accordion festival somewhere), the
fewer times they played "Lady of Spain."

You gotta love this town :-)
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From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: Re: Northern Exposure (repeat)
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 03:16:47 GMT

In article <15430@umd5.umd.edu> jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) writes:
>
>Apparently CBS is re-running the episode of _Northern Exposure_ concerning
>Cicely and Roslyn, the lesbian founders of the town in which the show
>takes place.  This will air *tonight*, September 14th.
>

I just finished watching it for the _third_ time - and I still cried.
Queers and witches on TV!  It is without a doubt one of the best
things I've ever seen on TV.

>
>Jeff
>
>
>-- 
>|Jeffrey C. Burka                | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true  |
>|                                |  Time for you to / Be who you are."      |
>|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu            |                         --Happy Rhodes   |


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"For I can see that in the midst of death, Life persists; in the
midst of untruth, Truth persists; in the midst of darkness, Light
persists."

"An eye for an eye will blind the world."
                                      Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

"I'm here, I'm queer, get used to it."
                                                             ME!

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From: AS.DLH@forsythe.stanford.edu (David Hatt - 5-0083)
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:01:03 GMT

I read this in today's San Francisco Chronicle:

The Chronicle quotes the Bay Area Reporter regarding The World's
First Bottom and says the BAR's headlines was:

                 AC/DC IN 3,500 BC


dave