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From: fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Howard Johnson's Got His Ho-Jo Workin')
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Album bouts
Date: 24 Jan 93 23:15:39 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

Those are volume swells from Alex's guitar with a good deal of
echo/delay and whatever other signal processing he's running thru
in those days (during the battle of By-Tor, for whomever wanted to
know. Sorry, i've gotten tired of messy crossposts-within-posts wha
with my limited knowledge of using vi...)

Umm, the album bouts thread has provoked some interesting discussion
but are we going to compare every album to all the others? "we see
tedium on the horizon..."  methinks that's what Dan Dianetti's (sp?)
poll is all about, although it's limited in that it can't tell you
_why_ people prefer one album over another, I admit. 

just another grad student who happens to like Rivendell...enough
to figure out how to play it (really, folks, it's simple but beautiful...)

cheers,
frank
--
"I'm shooting pool, Fats.  When I miss--*then* you can shoot."
                               --"Fast Eddie" Felson
"Be sure to leave your underpants with someone you can trust."
                               -- Jethro Tull                     
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner)
Subject: Re: The Pass
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 06:07:47 GMT

jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>In article <C1Fq40.HJE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner) writes:
>>jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>Here here! But I'd bet that Neil would say that it was left
>"intentionally vague"...
 
 Wouldn't that be a pisser.  :)

 Still haven't changed the .sig.
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From: mwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Zaphod Beeblebrox)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The meaning of "The Trees"
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:32:56 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <1993Jan26.091436.10172@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>Weren't the humans responsible for passing the Noble Law?  The Oak oppression
>was stopped by hatchets, axes, and saws used by humans.  Unfortunately for all
>of the trees, the humans didn't distinguish between the kinds of trees that are
>chopped down.  The humans came by to end the war between the trees- not for
>altruistic motives, however.
>

Actually, the lyrics state that the Maples formed a union and passed a noble
law.  I don't think there was meant to be a literal interpretation of what
belongs in the plant kingdom and what is human.  I believe all that is
implied is the simple fact that the Maples, who only saw their oppression and
nothing else, forced equality on everyone.  This equality was not
brought about by raising the Maples to the standards of the Oaks, but by
reducing the Oaks to the level of the Maples.


-- 
| Mike Wilson | You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.         |
|   Va Tech   | If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.    |
|  UnderGrad  | You can choose from phantom fears, and kindness that can kill |
|Comp. Science| I will chose a path that's clear, I will chose Free Will.-RUSH|
From: esuyn@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J Currid)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: By-Tor and the Snow Dog (was Re: Album bouts)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:11:06 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <C1DIGG.MvD@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Timothy.J.Young@dartmouth.edu (Timothy J. Young) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.160943.11083@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>
>cs911029@ariel.yorku.ca (THOMAS J DUCK) writes:
>
>>      Ouch!  Please do yourself a very big favour and have another listen
>> to this song,  especially the live verion on ATWAS.  As a guitarist,  there
>> is much in this song that just blows me away.  The last part of the section
>> called "Of the Battle" is just incredible;  it is literally symphonic
>> in nature.  You can just hear the ghosts coming out after the battle!
>
>If it makes you feel any better, I much prefer the live version...
>
Had to drop my pennies into the pool...
I have read a fair number of posts about bootlegs, and one in particular
called La Villa Strangiato, which a lot of people have commented on as
having a good version of Natural Science. I'm not sure whether this is the same
one but here in England there is one called Xanadu, recorded live in St Louis
in 1980. For me, the definitive version of By-tor appears on this, even though
it is not the full version (it breaks into Xanadu half way through - this
sound familiar?) Check out th bass work from Ged.
On a connected note, if this Xanadu IS the same bootleg that people on the 
net have been talking about, then I'm not actually sure that it really is a
true bootleg. Xanadu itself is a bootleg record, but the sound, as far as
I'm aware has been taken from another record called the Anthem Records Promo
LP. It claims it was recorded over a few nights at Keil Auditorium, St Louis
in Feb or March 1980. If it is an Anthem record, then it doesn't count as a
true bootleg - this would also explain the good sound quality. 
Another thing that makes me think this is that on Xanadu, as one track fades
out, you can just hear what sounds like a radio presenter giving some outro
to the concert, suggesting that the Anthem record was aired on radio and
the Xanadu record was a subsquent bootleg of the radio broadcast.

Or I may be totally wrong.

John
Warwick
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Live In St Louis
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:59:36 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1k1vjbINNnb6@shelley.u.washington.edu> strega@hardy.u.washington.edu (The Analog Kid) writes:
>ES> At the end of the medley - Working Man/Anthem/Bastille
>ES> Day/In The Mood/Drum Solo - by what name does Geddy refer to
>ES> Neil, by way of introducing the drum solo?
>ES> All I've managed to work out so far is 'Okay kids, it's time
>ES> for Dr _Brindle_"

>I always thought it was:
>"Okay, kids, it's time for Doctor Riddle!"

I believe it is "Dr. Braino".


Gregg




-- 
Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy)  Dept. of Physics (and Philosophy), Boston Univ.
"You see, the quantum mechanical description is in terms of knowledge" -Peierls
"One can _not_ put the psi-function... in place of the... thing" -Schroedinger
                   _De gustibus non disputandum_, NOT!
From: jm012b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeffrey P. Moon)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Album bouts
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:58:56 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1993Jan22.183648.7721@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.230900.10084@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340 writes:
>>In an attempt to add more excitement to the net, I have a new idea.  How
>about
>>Album bouts?  It entails taking one album and placing it in the ring wit

>>another in order to see how the two compare.
>>
>>RUSH ALBUM BOUT #1
>>        Hold Your Fire v. Fly by Night
>>
>>How about it?  Which one do you think is better and why?
>>
>>If people like the idea, I'll present my opinion- and bout #2- in a few 
>ays.
>>
>>Yours etc.,
>>
>>The Analog Kid

>Easy!
> 
>Hold Your Fire

Yes; definitely a great album, although Fly By Night isn't something to
scoff at itself. However, head to head, I'd would agree that HYF wins hands
down.
 
>Why?  One reason: "Open Secrets"
> 
>Easily one of the best Rush songs ever!
> 

I think it is a great song, too. However, not one of their best ever
(although we shouldn't really be arguing that...). I really like "Prime
Mover" and "Time Stand Still" more. Overall, the album is excellent.
-- 
Jeffrey Moon			* "And the trees are all keep equal,		
University of Rochester		*  By hatchet, ax, and saw..."
New York			*		- Rush, "The Trees" 
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Album Bout #3
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:55:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.102745.10211@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340 writes:
>OK, I'll try to keep Gregg satisfied.  Here's album bout #3:
>
>Grace Under Pressure v. Power Windows

Ooh, this is a tough one.  Without detailed analysis, I'll say PoW because
I like more songs on PoW, although much of GuP is truly outstanding.  This
is the closest I've come to calling one a tie.



-- 
        Ian Schmidt: irsman@iastate.edu or aol.com, BITNET: twbv4@isuvax       
 "I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose free will." - Neil Peart
From: Timothy.J.Young@dartmouth.edu (Timothy J. Young)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Album Bout #3
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:07:11 GMT
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Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <C1Ixs3.H40@news.iastate.edu>
irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt) writes:

> >Grace Under Pressure v. Power Windows

I'll take PoW. GuP is too depressing. "Red Sector A" is annoying and I
love "Manhattan Project". I won't go into detail...


-Tim Young, Dartmouth College, Class of '96
The opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of Dartmouth
College, its students, or anyone else.
"Not everyone can carry the weight of the world..."- R.E.M.
From: jlang@nic.cerf.net (Jimmy Lang)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush stuff for sale
Date: 26 Jan 1993 21:36:51 GMT
Organization: CERFnet Network Operations
NNTP-Posting-Host: nic.cerf.net

In article <FR1yXB1w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> greg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Greg severine) writes:
>
>The following Rush items available for sale:
>   All are auction items with the exception of the videos at the end.
>   Auction ends on 1/31/93.  Highest bidder will be notified then.

	[ list of stuff deleted.. ]

>    Hope you find something that is of interest...
>     Please e-mail bids to me on the auction items...


I don't know how others feel but someone the words "auction" and "bid"
and "highest bidder" really saddens me, especially coming from another Rush
fan.  I guess as an individual, I view this as a "cashing" in on other Rush
fans.  In the case of the items, I guess that's ok.  Auction them off, make
some money, but then with the videos, naturally we wouldn't want to auction
those off, but for $12, we could make many copies which we could sell.  I
guess here I could see what the underlying motive is.  

Is there any other Rush fan that feels similar?  I'd like to get some other
fan's thoughts on that.  Greg, this is *NOT* a flame on you, I'm just
telling you how I feel as a fan about issues and posts like yours.  You too
are welcome to comment.  I realize there's a demand out there, but how do
you feel when making postings like that?  

-Jimmy
-- 
-Jimmy
jlang@cerf.net
From: berger@cs.kun.nl (Frits Berger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Court cases
Summary: Rush ever in court?
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:05:57 GMT
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands

Hiya, i've got a question concerning court cases. Has RUSH ever been
involved in any legal tangles? E.g. lawsuits concerning plagiarism,
drug offences? Yes I know the boys are considered half-gods, but in
the twentey-odd years they are together something fishy must've 
happened. 
Oh yes not to tread on anyone's feet, I meant lawsuits concerning 
RUSH being plagiarized.
 Seeya!
    Frits
From: jm012b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeffrey P. Moon)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: RTB: Neurotica
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:37:55 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <108125@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:

>In article <C1CHHz.9no@unix.portal.com> rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell) writes:

>>Just a rather curious thing I noticed while listening to my copy of Roll
>>the Bones -- right at the very end of Neurotica, there is another scream
>>apparently from Geddy (at least it sure sounds like this).  It sounds
>>like "Stop!" or something...

>>Can anyone confirm this?

>It's "snap", as in a nervous breakdown I presume...


>Gregg

Are you sure? Although I see in the lyrics that he has SNAP!, it sounds
more like STOP to me. Maybe this is confirmed somewhere, and it probably is
SNAP, but I wouldn't hesitate to agree with Russell that Geddy is screaming
"STOP!".
-- 
Jeffrey Moon			* "And the trees are all keep equal,		
University of Rochester		*  By hatchet, ax, and saw..."
New York			*		- Rush, "The Trees"
From: il92@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Wow! what a group!
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:46:28 GMT

	I can't believe it!  This is the most wonderful thing since I
discovered the Kobra mud.  The last newsgroup I was on didn't have any
of the alt. groups, only the rec. ones, and there wasn't a Rush rec.
group.  I had to suscribe to The National Midnight Star to get any info
or discussion on the most wonderful group in the world, and the system I
was on started getting funky with the mail.  This group is a blessing. Just
so glad to see it here that I had to say something.  As for these Rush
haters, well, what do they know?  It's their fault that they will have
to spend the rest of their lives in complete and utter ignorance,
forced to listen to whiny disco/rap/pop crap.  We should feel sorry for
them, poor idiots. Anyway, just had to stick my two cents in.
                      --Karen
From: 911945m@axe.acadiau.ca (MICHAEL MURRAY MACDONALD)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Territories and Heresy
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:44:03 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

The reason I began listening to Rush in the first place is because I was 
mystified by Neil's talent at both writing and playing.  Since then the band 
has really grown on me.  I have all their albums on tape and CD as well as 
ASoH and Chronicles on video.  I have yet to get a hold of any bootlegs.  I'
m in Nova Scotia and these things are impossible to get up here.

Anyway, my point is that I think that both Heresy and Territories have 
incredible rhythms.  I read that someone didn't like Heresy and I've yet to 
hear anything on Territories.  I read in Modern Drummer that Neil picked up 
the beginning of Heresy while he was away.  Something about native music.  
Ever since, it has fascinated me.

Any words on this?!?
From: Timothy.J.Young@dartmouth.edu (Timothy J. Young)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Album bouts
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:48:10 GMT
 <1993Jan22.055611.24195@wam.umd.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <1993Jan22.055611.24195@wam.umd.edu>
moleface@next09cville.wam.umd.edu (Moleface) writes:

> Hold Yer Fire, definitely.  It's a more mature work, both musically and  
> lyrically.  FbN does have moments, such as "Anthem" (although sometimes I  
> think that they hit that E after the chorus a couple too many times) and  
> the 'Of the Battle' section of "By-Tor."  The rest of the song, IMHO,  
> lyrically doesn't sound very Peartinant; I actually think it's a bit  
> goofy.  But on the whole I do like the album, especially "In the End."  I  
> just think HYF is a better package on the whole.  I don't know HOW in the  
> hell Geddy sang and played the bass at the same time on "Turn the Page" (I  
> just remembered: multiple tracking.  Still, it musta been hell to do in  
> concert).  Also, "force Ten" and "Lock and Key" are two incredibly power-  
> ful songs, even if I don't know what the former's about.

I agree, despite the fact that HYF is a tad too synth-oriented. "Force
Ten" just blows me away, and of course there's "Time Stand Still"
(forgetting that video) and "Lock And Key". FBN is a fine work, but has
too many weak spots ; among everything Rush has recorded, "By-Tor and
the Snow Dog" is pretty close to the bottom of my list. I love "Anthem"
and "In The End" (despite the decidedly sub-Rush lyrics), but I'd have
to say that HYF is a more coherent package music-wise and lyric-wise. 




Tim Young - Dartmouth College, Class of 1996
(The opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of Dartmouth
College or Dartmouth students(read the Review lately?))
"Not everyone can carry the weight of the world..." - R.E.M.
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Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 15:33:17 MST
From: Nathan Ashworth
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Rush and Satan (was Re: Rivendell (was Re: ALBUM BOUT))

In article <1993Jan25.184555.10156@iscsvax.uni.edu>  
wipperma9340@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> In article <1993Jan25.131813.23571@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>,  
cs911029@ariel.yorku.ca (THOMAS J DUCK) writes:
> > In article <1993Jan24.205546.10137@iscsvax.uni.edu>  
wipperma9340@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> > 
> >>Perhaps I should add the level of Satanic influence as another thing by  
which
> >>to compare albums.  With Rush there's plenty of that to go around.
> > 
> > I've never been able to find any (and I've been listening to them for years 
>   and years and years!).
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Thomas J. Duck
> > 
> 
> That's the whole point Mr. Duck:  Satan is overwhelming your entire system,  
but
> you don't realize it.  If you don't mend your ways, he will be able to  
control
> all of your thoughts and actions.
> 
> Yours etc.,
> 
> The Analog Goose
Dear Anal Goose: I was wondering how ultra-conservative are you?  I likewise  
love Rush and have never heard references to Satan.  I would like to hear some  
of your reasons for saying this.

--
Nathan Ashworth 
B.Y.U  -- Electrical and Computer Engineering 
ashworth@zapotec.math.byu.edu
From: esuyn@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J Currid)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Live In St Louis
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:34:21 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk

In article <1993Jan25.140322.23961@cs.yale.edu> prater-ethan@yale.edu writes:
>
>: I have read a fair number of posts about bootlegs, and one in particular
>: called La Villa Strangiato, which a lot of people have commented on as 
>: having a good version of Natural Science. I'm not sure whether this is the
>
>Yes, _La Villa Strangiato_ (also called _The Spirit of St. Louis on CD_)
>is the same as the LP entitled _Xanadu_. -- cf. _Hot Wacks Boox XV_


Right then. Since I've now established that my Xanadu/Anthem Records Promo LP/
Live In St Louis/Temples Of Syrinx (yes I have seen it with all these names)
is the same record as your La Villa Strangiato, can someone please answer this
question. At the end of the medley - Working Man/Anthem/Bastille Day/In The
Mood/Drum Solo - by what name does Geddy refer to Neil, by way of introducing
the drum solo?
All I've managed to work out so far is 'Okay kids, it's time for Dr _Brindle_'
but since this appears to make no sense whatsoever I guessed I'm wrong.

Anyone?

John
Warwick
>
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: brownea@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: Re:2112 Ending...
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 16:15:00 GMT

> Now that we've heard alot of opinions and interpretations on 2112, 
> has there been any statement from Neil on what he wanted the ending 
> to mean?  I haven't checked the FAQ, but perhaps someone knows...
	In _Visions_ he says that it is INTENTIONALLY left vague.  This blew me
away when I read it, I'd always gone with the 'Elder Race Returns'
interpretation, and I was really surprised to learn that I had gotten that as a
result of my own life-view.
	Earl

|===   You have no choice in the matter, so you may as well give in   ===|
|===   and just be yourself.                                          ===|
From: wipperma9340@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Album bouts
Date: 23 Jan 93 13:11:12 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <107987@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
> 
> Sure, but the albums must be comparable
> 
> These I don't think are comparable at all. They are too different in
> character. Obviously from a ``chops'' point of view HYF is a far better
> album, so there is no comparison.
>  
>>Hold Yer Fire, definitely.  It's a more mature work, both musically and  
>>lyrically.
> 
> I concur. Now for some apples and oranges:
> 
> In general, I think this ``bout of the albums'' idea is more interesting
> if we consider albums that were recorded more closely together in time.

The whole point of the project is to compare albums that are completely
different.  If you compared only works that are close chronologically, it
defeats the purpose.  Which kind of Rush style do you like the most?  Since it
changes with each album, any comparison would involve things that are
completely different.

Yours etc.,

The Analog Kid
From: rwood1@puccini.helios.nd.edu (richard wood)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The Pass
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:01:29 GMT
Reply-To: rwood1@puccini.helios.nd.edu (richard wood)
Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame

_The_Pass_ has always been my favorite from _Presto_, too.  My favorite lines
are:

All of us get lost in the darkness,
	dreamers learn to steer by the stars.
All of us do time in the gutters,
	dreamers turn to look at the cars.

	Turn around...

To me, this is simply Neil saying that we all have bad times in our
lives, but we need to look at the positive side of our bad times in
order to get through them with the least amount of anguish possible.
To paraphrase, all of us get caught up in the things in our lives that
we don't like, but the people who come out of those situations the best,
the "dreamers", are the ones who while in those bad times choose to look
at the bright side of things.  To fit Neil's metaphor, the bright side of
being lost in the darkness(be it literally or not) is to look up at the 
stars, and the birght side of the gutter would be to turn around and look
all of the cars going by.  That's just how I interpret the song.  No flames,
please!  Any other interpretations or variations, please write.


Later,

Rich
From: jm012b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeffrey P. Moon)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Album Bout #3
Date: 28 Jan 93 03:02:42 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1993Jan27.102745.10211@iscsvax.uni.edu> wipperma9340@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>Here's album bout #3:

>Grace Under Pressure v. Power Windows

	Definitely have to go with Grace Under Pressure. I just got the
album about a month ago, and it rocks! Beside "Distant Early Warning," I
really get into "Kid Gloves" and "Red Lenses." This album really has some of
the best Rush material I believe has ever been produced by the trio. Of
course, I can't leave out "Afterimage," which is an excellent imagery tune.
Very beautiful...

	Of course, I also believe that "Power Windows" is a great album as
well, but up against "Grace Under Pressure," it can't take... the PRESSURE.
Yuk-yuk-yuk. :)
-- 
Jeffrey Moon			* "And the trees are all keep equal,		
University of Rochester		*  By hatchet, ax, and saw..."
New York			*		- Rush, "The Trees" 
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