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From: marlowe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Amanda T Marlowe)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Favorite book covers
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:26:05 GMT
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore


Well, My favorite book covers are still the old ones... (I posted
about them before, but I think it was very unclear which covers I
was talking about...) I've always found the White Dragon and later
covers were too Pteradactyl-like for my tastes. The covers I prefer
I've only seen on Dragonflight and Dragonquest, The Dragonquest
having F'nor and Canth impressing Grall. (Dragonflight has Lessa
in a white dress on Ramoth, but that's true of all three covers
I have seen of Dragonflight, so it doesn't identify it very well :) )


Amanda
aka Ariella@PernMush
-- 
**** Amanda Marlowe		"Son, Son, I admire your sincerity. Always be
     marlowe@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu   sincere whether you mean it or not." 
****                               -The Reluctant Cannibal, by Flanders&Swann
From: morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Ken Bartlett)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: HUMAN ANATOMY CLASS FOR HOMOPHOBES
Followup-To: alt.flame
Date: 26 Sep 1992 23:26:07 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

In article <12344.245.Sept251992@ghostwheel.dartmouth.edu> takkyon@dartmouth.edu (Dr. Tachyon) writes:
>In article [snip] Mark.OLeary@newcastle.ac.uk (M.D. O'Leary) wrote:
>>Hit 'n' now unless you've followed this thread. Its gonna get gruesome.
>How very, very accurate.

I've left their disclaimers in for a reason.

>>[long, pointless, and boring flame deleted.]
>>>Th'ron rider of Wulfrith/DragonsFire Muse.
>>Raphe, J'man Herder of Brum Hold/PernMUSH NC
>OK, listen up.  I'm only going to say this once.

Once was more than enough.

>*Keep this crap out of alt.fan.pern, dammit!*  

Oooh, the net censors strike again.

>I'm sorry, this posting
>has precisely zero relevance to the world of Pern.  

It's the tail end of a (dying) discussion that started with Pern.  Why
not just let it die, instead of continuing it?

>Th'ron is right, you
>should've replied by email; usenet is not the place to take a childish
>personal dispute with someone (although it far too often is used for
>such. :P).  

So...why did _you_ post?

>Your article contributes precisely nothing to this newsgroup
>and accomplishes nothing, except perhaps to annoy people who read it in
>hopes of seeing, gasp, ack, this one's a shocker, news dealing with PERN.

Um, again, so, why did you post?

> Get a clue and grow up.

[pots and kettles]

>If you absolutely MUST do this in a public forum, take it to
>alt.sex.motss, soc.motss, or, perhaps most appropriately, alt.flame.

Note that you didn't post either, nor even redirect followup to
alt.flame, as I've done on this article.

>Some people.

Yes, indeed.

>	-- dt
>			C'trel, bronze Horvath's rider, of Igen Weyr

ObPern:  (if you respond, please change the Subject and Followup lines)
         I was working on developing an economy system for a Pern
         MUSH when I discovered glaring problems in the world as Anne
         has it set up.  Namely, where would dragonriders get any
         marks from?  An allowance from their weyrleaders?  Can they
         truly purchase anything they want at a gather and claim
         it as a tithe?  Anne was rather lax in fleshing out the
         economy of her world, I think.

     ___________                                             ___________
     |         |             M A L A C H I T E               |         |
     |   '"'   |                                             |   '"'   |
     |  '"""'  |                 Brum Hold                   |  '"""'  |
     |  """""  |                                             |  """""  |
      \'"""""'/           morpheus@cco.caltech.edu            \'"""""'/
       \_____/   "Yo he yo!"                 "Rice is Nice!"   \_____/
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: slightly unrelated McCaffery info
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:08:34 GMT

she has a new book out!
Crystal Line (part 3 in the Crystal Singer, Killashandra series)
one gripe - 20$? whew
a good read tho- but the plot gets kinda predicatable (you can see where its
headed pretty early...) and the sex scenes are a tad 'torrid' (I still see
Killashandra in the Menolly/Lessa mold of romantic heroine)
but hey- its McCaffery (please don't shoot me if I misspelled the name) and it
is something new....
(gee, is there an alt.fan.crystalsinger?)
Penn
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: raina@beastie.colby.edu (Raina Westfall)
Subject: Firelizard's intelligence
Organization: None whatsoever.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:03:38 GMT


Ahhhhhh, one of my favorite subjects.....
I think with the mu*'s some folks have gotten a real misunderstanding
about firelizard and what they can and can't do.


According to the DLG, sitting in front of me:
"Dragonets <firelizards> are capable of limited telepathy"
They have no ears, so really can't hear. They rely on telepathy 
as their chief means of communication with one another.

Metasynth, performed on some made direct communication and
empathy with humans easier. It alwo changed them from having
three claws to having five.

Kitti Ping gave the experimental 'dragon' eggs the equations for
the five digit claws, shortened the forelegs, and made a stronger 
endoskeleton so the dragons would be more comfortable upright.
"Kitti also used mentasynth to enhance the already strong empathic
bond"

Anyway, my point is this: Kitti did far more than change the size.
Firelizards, in nearly every instance I've encountered them in the books
are NOT stupid, they aren not logical either. They are creatures of
emotion <read Dragon'sDawn>. Oh sure, on some of the MU*'s you'll find
firelizards that can hear, talk and be totally logical. Sorry, but in
the books, they don't work that way <ex. the volcanic eruption in DD>
They can project immages to each other and the ones who impressed them.
<Like during Canth's fall>. But they are far from stupid.

Ranna
Who's firelizards stay IC

Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: AtWoP - paperback?
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:16:10 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep30.040823.6985@pimacc.pima.edu>, ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu writes:
> Speaking of AtWoP, does anyone know when the paperback is coming
> out? I want to add it to my collection.

I ordered it from a mail order comic book distributor. Knowing the place, I
should get it in about 6 months, 2 months after it hits the stores :-(

Of course, that is assuming I'm ordering the regular paperback and not the
trade. Cover price was $5.99 or thereabouts, which sounded about right.

I will note that *I* am speaking about US markets only. It could be in its 20th
print run in the Angolian paperback for all I know.

--Semhaza 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: dragon@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Korth)
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Organization: Bradley University
Date:  7 Oct 92 03:56:52 GMT

In <1992Oct5.200421.28264@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com> raybro@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (Ray Brohinsky) writes:
>Sean Connery as Robinton? And have the man responsible for diction
>on all of pern schlug through all his lines?

That *would* be a problem... since Robinton is supposed to speak
without a trace of a regional accent...
--
*** Matt Korth *** dragon@camelot.bradley.edu *** dragon@buhub.bradley.edu ***
The Republicans are thinking of changing the Republican Party emblem from
an elephant to a condom, because it stands for inflation, halts production,
and gives a false sense of security while one is being screwed.
From: IO10966@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: An ad - call me crazy.
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:29:37 GMT
 <92Sep27.045705.12256@acs.ucalgary.ca>
 <1992Sep28.125119.19514@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
 <92Sep28.193048.22509@acs.ucalgary.ca>
Organization: University of Maine System

WOW! you know thats the skind of silliness that gets me in trouble on SouCOn
 :smirkle:
 R'let
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: venkman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mezo)
Subject: Re: A public apology (And stuff about ATWOP in pback.)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 19:16:02 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

GOOD...You summed it up....we al have heard it...Its over
All done...McCaffrey spoke...

NO MORE PLEASE.

Th'ron

Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor)
Subject: Re: PernMUSH Firelizard Regulations: Philosophy
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 05:51:48 GMT

In article <90810@netnews.upenn.edu> lwl@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Lydia Leong) writes:
>
>Disk space isn't the only problem, though. Pern's process size is also
>_huge_. The size of the database contributes to this.

	Umm. No, not really. The only 'per-object' process size
contribution is 9 words, or 36 bytes. That's, uh, 480K and change
right now. Which is basically nothing. The wildcard matching routines
throw more memory than that away in a day.

	One of these days I will fix wild.c, but not right now.

	Andrew

>|  Lydia Leong / Amberyl
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: The movie thing
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:31:25 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1anpohINNplo@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, axg20@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashwath Ganesan) writes:
> 
> 
> First off... NO ANIME!!!
> 
> Anime is entirely too generic to fit Pern.  The one rather gratifyingly
> laudable aspect of the Pern series is character development and 
> interaction... there's no consistency to speak of and the plot can
> get cliched... but the characters are great.  Doing anime with 
> subtitles would relegate them to pawns in an action movie.

YES ANIME!!!

Trust me on this one. With good artists, the dragons would be wonderful. much
more beautiful than anything I can imagine using any of the other schemes
suggested thus far.

If you *insist*, we can have voice-ins rather than subtitles, but I really feel
sorry for you if all you get out of anime is action movies.
 
> And I would like to see a successfully realistic mix of computer
> animation (dragons, etc) and actors.  I mean, yes, Sean Connery
> HAS to be Robinton.  

Agreed. If it wound up being live-action, Sean Connery is the *only* choice for
Robinton.
 
--Semhaza
From: emeinfel@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (...)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Other writes with homsexuall characters
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:12:02 GMT
Organization: Ferrous Fencing Ferrets Inc.

>>>>Oh, give the woman a break, will you!  She created a society where
>>>>homosexuality plays an active, vital part.  How many other science
>>>>fiction and fantasy authors do that? 

>>>Marian Zimmer Bradley -- that's one...
>>Mercedes Lackey -- that's two...
>Joseph Hadelman(sp?) -- that's three...
John Varley -- that's four...
-- 
"Focus on winning and to hell with how you play the game."
#188 Life's Little Destruction Book
From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:39:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

>I saw a TV documentary on computer animation here in the UK, a few years ago
>(probably around '86 '87??)
>
>It based all its examples on a film then in production to be entirely computer
>animated: it was called *** DRAGONFLIGHT *** !!!!!
>On the evidene of the documentary, they seem to have produced at least several
>minutes of footage, and a team of around 6 was working on it...
>
>I was excited for about 2yrs over this.
>
>Then it wore off. Has anyone heard more to do with this project???
>
>Raphe, disappointed to date.

That's right, the movie is supposed to be based on the first novel.
While I love computer and cel animation (especially Disney), I think
that Dragonflight should be live-action.  Pern simply seems too real
to make a cartoon out of it.  There is no doubt that that would be
possible.  Jim Henson Associates' Precision Control System
(something like that) could be used for the dragons.  Ever watch
Dinosaurs on ABC?  Little Shop of Horrors also made use of the
system for its huge man-eating plant.  Riding the dragons could be
accomplished using the technique Lucasfilm used on their Ton-Tons in
The Empire Strikes Back.  But alas, I've heard nothing about the
proposed project (except for the computer animation) in the last
six years.


- Robert Cook
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: eporter@andy.bgsu.edu (Ellen M. Porter)
Subject: Re: A Bedtime Story
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:57:23 GMT

ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu writes:
> Hey have you heard the one about the big bad A'bar & A'beryl?
> 
> It seems they had been smoking too much numbweed & decided that
> Pern was supposed to be stereotyped according to their hallucin-
> ogen influenced logic. Well, after numerous failed attempts at
> imposing their new Order upon Weyr, Hold & Hall, resisted staunchly
> by the widely known hero who need not be named, the great God of
> all Pern, known as AM, came along & struck them down mightily. The 
> joy of all Pern was great indeed on that glorious occasion!
> 
> 
> PHIL
> 
> p.s. Unlike *some* people I don't need to hide behind bogus addresses.
 
Oh, PHIL. You're great! You make yourself look stupider than 
anyone else could ever hope to.

K'andra, rider of Brown Arcoth@SouCon
eporter@andy.bgsu.edu  <--- Flame me. Go on.
 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: lhb6v@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Laura Hayes Burchard)
Subject: PernMUSH Firelizard Regulations: Philosophy
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:54:17 GMT



Your favorite FL fascist here :)

A general post on the reasoning of my firelizard regulations. My 
sole and only interest in regulating firelizards is to allow the
widest possible enjoyment of them while fulfilling my informal
agreement to keep them to under 2 percent of the database.

This is not a small number of firelizards, especially when you add
in the controllers that every owner carries; with those and the 
nearly 200 lock objects, it comes to closer to 3 percent.  Database 
space does not come free; with every meg that Pern grows, fewer 
and fewer sites are available to run it.

I don't consider my position moral enforcement; I refuse all pleas
to censor OOC hatchings or FL behavior.  I don't, for example,
have any moral qualms about people owning multiple firelizards;
after all, at one point one of my characters had accumulated more
firelizards than anyone on PernMUSH had ever had.  My concern is
whether the accumulation is turning into a competition that is 
bloating the db and the skylocks without adding much to game
enjoyment (the current individual total is 16, and some players
have several dozen across several characters.)

The best way to argue against this, therefore, is not to burst
out in indignation, or send nasty notes, but to show me how
multiple fls are not responsible for the growth in numbers, and
show me what is.  I respond *much* better to logically
argued number-backed arguments than anything else.


Talea
--

Address alias changed -- good addresses are now lhb4v@virginia.edu and
lhb6v@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: venkman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mezo)
Subject: Re: A Bedtime Story
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 19:21:02 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP


			PLEASE DESIST FROM ANY MORE
			OF THIS BANAL CHATTER WE
			ARE ALL RATHER TIRED OF IT
			NOT JUST PHIL ALL OF YOU
			------DROP IT NOW-------


SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP


Thank You,

Th'ron rider of Wulfrith/Dragonsfire muse

Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: jmars@mta.ca (Jennifer K. Mars)
Subject: ATWOP
Reply-To: jmars@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:47:09 GMT

	About AIVAS and ATWOP and the 'Pern we love' being destroyed
rather well: it's my opinion that Anne McCaffrey _meant_ to destroy
the structure of Pern completely - the work itself is rather
fatalistic in nature.  After all, AIVAS commits suicide because there's
nothing useful left for him to do except be an interfering bone of
contention; Robinton, and with him Zair, die, signalling the end
of the 'old order' (being Lessa, F'lar, et. al); and most importantly,
Thread, the enemy of all Pern but friend to readers who enjoy a
little bit of plot and conflict with the characters, is blown away.
Although screams were heard coming from my bedroom as I read what
was, essenteially, the apocalyptic collapse of 'my' Pern, I have
to be glad that McCaffrey ended her series with flair, rather than
re-hashing things over and over in an attempt to get us (and you
know we would) to buy more and more novels.  So my own answer to
'What happens next?" is - iot doesn't.  Go read _Crystal Singer_ :-)

	Of course, there are LOADS of other Passes.  And who _was_ Torene,
and could she really talk to all the dragons whenever she wanted?

					-Jen/Shandra
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: AtWoP - paperback?
From: mark@kiwi.gen.nz (Mark Goldie)
Date: 2 Oct 92 09:29:35 GMT
Organization: Household UNIX, Auckland, New Zealand
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

In New Zealand I Think it's only availible in HardBack .. (probly the same as 
Australia) Isn't this a sort of stupid question to post under world distribution ??
From: aw1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Andrew Wargo)
Subject: Re: A Bedtime Story
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:32:29 GMT

In article <35apcm=@lynx.unm.edu> quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk) writes:
>[Cheap shot follows.  This is your only warning.]
>
>
>In article <1992Oct2.054607.6995@pimacc.pima.edu> ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu writes:
>>Well this story does show exactly what the definition of a sore
>>loser is, doesn't it?
>>
>>Funny how some people just can't help using lies & distortions
>>to try to cover their own failings isn't it?
>
>Pot.  Kettle.  {*BANG!*}
>
>(I hope you are able to infer the meaning of the above.  If
>not...*shrug*.)
>
>>PHIL
>
>-- 
>Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  quirk@pioneer.unm.edu
> I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
>                          what I have now...


It'll really chap my hide to unsubscribe to this Newsgroup because you children
won't stop bickering...this is alt.fan.pern, not alt.stupid.squabbles
--
Regnat Populus!  | aw1@ra.msstate.edu | kith-kanan@rhostshyl.cit.cornell.edu
The People Rule! | awargo@nyx.cs.edu  | MU* Chars.: Kith-Kanan, Akkad,
                 |                    | Stormbringer, Kithan
From: v099mvpz@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Marko)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: moreta
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:34:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY At Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41



I, too, just finished reading _Moreta_ and although it is depressing, 
there are a lot of things never before stated (eg dragon injuries, healing,
the "hideboundness" of the Lords Holder, etc). Anyway, the reason why
Moreta died while riding Holth was that Orlith had clutched and couldn't
leave her eggs to deliver serum. Moreta was needed in the first place because
M'tani (Telgar) was being a poop and not assisting in the plan. Moreta was
needed to deliver to the small holds in Keroon. True, it is a little odd 
for a rider to ride another's dragon, but she'd done it before. In 
_Nerilka's Story_, I think, the Masterharper (Tirone?) said that the ballad
would have Moreta riding Orlith. The ballads aren't necessarily completely
accurate, neither are records (ex: d'flight), but for the sake of posterity
the proper pair would be used.  

Personally, Moreta was one of  my favorite characters. 

					Marko
From: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Subject: Re: Blue/green/brown -- from the horse's mouth 
Reply-To: jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:52:44 GMT

In article <ktoast.717808461@milton> 
ktoast@milton.u.washington.edu (Toast M. Jost) writes:
>>Oh, give the woman a break, will you!  She created a society where
>>homosexuality plays an active, vital part.  How many other science
>>fiction and fantasy authors do that? 

>Marian Zimmer Bradley -- that's one...

Mercedes Lackey -- that's two...

-Doriana

My biggest budget problem is food:
My stomach wants four meals a day.
My budget wants two.
From: jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Blue/green/brown -- from the horse's mouth
Date: 5 Oct 1992 01:28:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


SHUT UP.

(a position that I feel needs reiterating).
-- 
Jessica McGeary
jmm25@po.cwru.edu
Case Western Reserve University
Remember! Arguments should be FUN!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Literary Analysis
From: ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:36:00 -0700
 <1992Sep22.163719.13105@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Sep22.162439.6959@pimacc.pima.edu> <1992Sep29.202323.24978@midway.uchicago.edu>

In article <1992Sep29.202323.24978@midway.uchicago.edu>, ses3@ellis.uchicago.edu (Steven Schwartz) writes:
> In article <1992Sep22.162439.6959@pimacc.pima.edu> ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Sep22.163719.13105@midway.uchicago.edu>, ses3@ellis.uchicago.edu (Steven Schwartz) writes:
> (3) Societal matters are generally more subject to change than non-societal 
> ones.  It has been established, in canon, that a woman *can* impress a fighting
> dragon.  It has not been shown, from canon, that a rider *can* resist the 
> mating impulses of his dragon.  This is the difference.

Well it's been established now. Or didn't you catch the post from AM?
 
> This is true.  It is not support for either side.  However, that vagueness was 
> the *only* thing permitting, let alone supporting, your argument.  There are 
> many pieces of evidence arguing against you.

Most of the evidence presented was inapplicable for various reasons & thus was
 rejected.
 
>>>    I would, however, point out that the lack of an explicit statement does 
>>> not mean that a "most likely by far" judgement cannot be made.
>>> 
>>
>>Which is a subjective call which hardly justifies a narrow stereotypical
>>interpretation in any case.
>>
> 
> Are scientific laws stereotypical?

This hardly a situation where scientific techniques can be applied.
I've also seen "scientific" laws formulated that ranked various human
races in superior & inferior groups. This also seems stereotypical to
me.

> Because, you now seem to be using stereotypical to describe anything that 
> follows a solid, no-exceptions pattern.

Inasmuchas the entire Pern universe is hypothetical, it's impossible to apply
the usual scientific method of testing theories.

>    There has never been a mention of a counter-example.

There have not been enough examples of any kind to support any sort of gen-
eraliztions.

>    There have been many cases in verification.

There have been only a few, at most & none of these were very specific.

>    This means, until you come up with a reason other than "I don't like it", 
> the operating theory is that it always happens. 

Wrong! The operating theory is that it *can* happen.

>    There are many facts that support it, and none that oppose it.

Wrong! Most of the facts offered were not relevant.

>    That is reason enough.

As you say.

> Do as you will in VR.  However, in terms of the literary analysis of Anne
> McCaffrey's works, there is as clear a *fact* of this as you are going to
> get without direct statement.
> 

Well now there has been a direct statement & quite some time ago. So why
do you insist on beating the dead horse that your interpretation has become?


PHIL