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Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Re: Good places to visit in Northern Spain
From: egarespacoch@amherst.edu
Date: 5 Apr 92 11:44:00 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA.

In article <1992Apr2.201507.14554@morrow.stanford.edu>, puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta) writes:
> In article <1992Apr2.041108.22390@massey.ac.nz>  writes:
>> 
>> Me and my hubby will be over in France and England in September.  While
>> in France we'll be staying about an hour's drive north of Toulouse.
>> Seeing as my darling is a Kiwi and I'm a Pom, I'd like to show him a bit
>> of Spain - I've driven from England to the South of Spain 3 times when I
>> was in my early teens so don't remember much about the North.  Any info
>> on scenic, quiet places in the North would be great.

If you would like to see the Picos de Europa,(as was mentioned),
you would be best off driving around to the small town of Posada
de Valdeon and from there take various hiking expeditions, or go
down to the town at the bottom of the valley called Cain.  From
here you can walk along the length of the river (passageways
through the stones and all) and you can really enjoy the town. 
In Posada there are several restaurants, one of which (I cant
remember the name but it is off the main road as you drive into
town on the left) has the best fabada I have ever eaten.  There
is also a small store on the road up to the mountains that sells
fresh cheese of the area as well as bread that after a long hike
is the most incredible taste in the world.  
If you want any more information about this area (maps, etc.)
send me e-mail and I will get it to you. 
-- 
                            __________
Elisa Arespacochaga        |__<red>___|   | "Undertaker, undertaker, please
egarespacoch@amherst.edu   |_<yellow>_|   | drive slow ... "   -Will the
    Patria Querida         |___<red>__|   | Circle be Unbroken
From: s34y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Re: Are we crazy in Spain?
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:21:17 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Apr16.103320.16894@cl.cam.ac.uk>,
jlb10@cl.cam.ac.uk (John Beaven) writes: 
> In article <kuqiliINN519@paducah.cs.utexas.edu>, cpg@cs.utexas.edu
> (Carlos M. Puchol) writes:
> 
> |>                                     Felipe and Castro  last met.  I do
> |>                                     remember,  though,	the  newspaper
> |> Me falla la memoria cuando intento  images  of	Felipe	 hugging   and
> |> recordar la fecha de la ultima vez  shaking  hands with Castro.	 I can
> |> que Felipe se encontro con Castro.  imagine similar  actings this time
> |> Pero  recuerdo las imagenes en los  time.  Deplorable.	Shameful.
> |> periodicos  de Felipe  abrazando y
> |> dando la mano  sonriente a Castro. 
> |> Me  imagino  mas o menos lo  mismo
> |> ahora.	Denigrante.  Vergonzoso.
> |> 
> 
> El ultimo pol'itico espanyol en abrazar a Fidel fue Manuel Fraga (que
> visit'o Cuba a finales del 91 en su capacidad como presidente de la
> Xunta de Galicia), y no Felipe.
> 
> Denigrante? Vergonzoso? Evidentemente no todos piensan as'i. 
> Incluso Fraga, que no es que sea el mayor simpatizante de gobiernos
> izquierdistas, conden'o el embargo comercial contra Cuba.
>




Para mi los derechos humanos son mas que los politicos (libertad de expresion,
democracia, etc) sino que hay que contar los sociales (nutricion, cobijo, etc).
Desde el punto de vista de los derechos sociales, Cuba se encuentra mucho mejor
que sus vecinos Latinoamericanos. 
        Fidel tendra sus defectos, pero tambien tiene sus cualidades, y en mi
opinion, los Cubanos se encuentran mejor que sus vecinos latinoamericanos, y
se encontraria mejor si no hubiese el embargo economico, que de hecho los 
EEUU nunca impuso con las otras dictaduras latinoamericanas hasta recientemente
debido al colapso del comunismo en la ex-union sovietica.
     Es importante ver las cosas desde todas las perspectivas, y no solo las
politicas.


          Patrick MORCILLO
From: torne@aludra.usc.edu (Jordi Torne')
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Re: acceso a la Red en Espa~a
Date: 16 Apr 1992 15:42:12 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Como la gente pregunta... y da respuestas y enmiendas.

In article <kuovtvINNp24@aludra.usc.edu> torne@aludra.usc.edu (Jordi Torne') writes:
>Como empezamos con unas de las preguntas del FAQ... aqui va una respuesta:
>
>Lista de Organizaciones con acceso a la Internet en Espa~a.

con acceso a la internet me referia que la comunicacion esta basada en
TCP/IP. Es decir que es posible hacer telnet o ftp a estas redes.

>fi.upm.es	Facultad de Informatica, Universidad Politecnica de Madrid

Aunque la facultad esta conectada a la internet no es posible hacer telnet
o ftp por razones burrocraticas sobre quien paga la linea....

An~adid los dos siguientes:

upv.es		Universitat Politecnica de Valencia
unex.es		Universidad de Extremadura

El correo llega a todos de una forma u otra, directa o indirectamente.

En la lista que ha puesto Ramon, hay algunos "faroles" como el INTA que
parece tener un agujero en la sacas del correo.


Jordi
From: martha@castle.ed.ac.uk (M G Robinson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Re: Question on movie titles
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:54:54 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

Hola, Vicente:

Creo que te conozco, pero no estoy muy segura...cuando estudiaba 
en Valencia solia conocer a una persona con tu mismo nombre...
colaboraste en un video sobre Beckett...bueno sea o no sea,
hola!  En cuanto a tu pregunta sobre al pelicula de los hermanos Marx,
la susodicha escena puedes encontrarla en la pelicula "Una noche en la 
opera". Creo que en ingles es "A night at the Opera".

saludos,   Martha Robinson.
.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
From: madrid@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Gonzalo De Cea-Naharro Romero)
Subject: Final de Basket
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:59:56 GMT

El Joventud a perdido la final de la Copa de Europa de Baloncesto.

El resultado final a sido: Partizan 71 - Joventud 70
La Penya ha ido detras en el marcador durante todo el partido, pero en los  
ultimos minutos habian conseguido remontar y ponerse por delante.
A falta de 4 segundos un jugador del Partizan a metido un triple desde muy  
lejos y con dos hombres cubriendole. Lolo Sainz no pidio tiempo muerto y  
el partido se acabo.

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From: cpg@cs.utexas.edu (Carlos M. Puchol)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Re: Are we crazy in Spain?
Date: 16 Apr 1992 12:16:36 -0500
Organization: Computer Sciences, UT Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: bovina.cs.utexas.edu
Keywords: cuba

In article <1992Apr16.103320.16894@cl.cam.ac.uk> jlb10@cl.cam.ac.uk (John Beaven) writes:
>In article <kuqiliINN519@paducah.cs.utexas.edu>, cpg@cs.utexas.edu
}(Carlos M. Puchol) writes:
}
}|}                                     Felipe and Castro  last met.  I do
}|}                                     remember,  though,	the  newspaper
}|} Me falla la memoria cuando intento  images  of	Felipe	 hugging   and
}|} recordar la fecha de la ultima vez  shaking  hands with Castro.	 I can
}|} que Felipe se encontro con Castro.  imagine similar  actings this time
}|} Pero  recuerdo las imagenes en los  time.  Deplorable.	Shameful.
}|} periodicos  de Felipe  abrazando y
}|} dando la mano  sonriente a Castro. 
}|} Me  imagino  mas o menos lo  mismo
}|} ahora.	Denigrante.  Vergonzoso.
}|} 
}
}El ultimo pol'itico espanyol en abrazar a Fidel fue Manuel Fraga (que
}visit'o Cuba a finales del 91 en su capacidad como presidente de la
}Xunta de Galicia), y no Felipe.

Fraga, si no me equivoco (el que lo sepa cierto que me corrija) fue a Cuba a
visitar a la comunidad de emigrantes Gallegos que alli residen y darles
apoyo moral, del que estan muy necesitados. Otro motivo, creo tambien,
(ya digo que no tengo buena memoria), fue el visitar el origen de sus
padres, que procedian de Cuba, o algo de eso.

Si Fraga abrazo a Castro, (cosa que yo no vi en los periodicos) resulta un
esperpento mas de las cosas que pasan en Espanya, puesto que si no es licito
que alguien [supuestamente de] izquierdas le haga caso a un dictador comunista,
peor seria (desde el punto de vista politico) que un gobernante [claramente] de
derechas (por no decir de la "antigua escuela") haga lo mismo con Castro y
nadie en Espanya le haga renunciar a cualquier cargo publico.

}Denigrante? Vergonzoso? Evidentemente no todos piensan as'i. 
}Incluso Fraga, que no es que sea el mayor simpatizante de gobiernos
}izquierdistas, conden'o el embargo comercial contra Cuba.
}
}John

Cualquier ser humano con un minimo de cerebro condena el embargo cuando
hay miles de personas en Cuba que lo estan pasando muy mal, sin poder comer,
por culpa del dictador.

-- Carlos
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: infiniti@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Chung-Yih Lee)
Subject: Re: Control?! (The Six-Year...)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 01:53:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.083929.2919@vax.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu writes:

>	** What should a cop do if he sees a "bad" guy is beaten
>	   by a "good" guy? 
>	   
>	   This question assume the bad and good is obvious to
>	   tell by an average cop.

	You seem to suggest, too, that since the guy does not support your
political view, he is "bad" and the people beating him up is "good." And then
"bad" guys deserve to be beaten into a pulp by "righteous citizens."
	Come on, man. Please realize that "good" and "bad" are not absolute;
especially when judged by political opinions. Moreover, anybody has their human
rights. I know that citizens have rights to initiate their own arrest when they
see a crime happen; but I have never heard of citizens' right to assault people
with different opinions. And to label them "BAD." "BAD GUYS."
	An average cop is supposed to protect the citizens. Even if a citizen 
does not support the government or recognize the country, if the cop regards 
himself as one of the ROC police force(and getting paid for it) he has to 
protect the citizen. And you want to say, "hey, the guy doesn't even recognize
the ROC! Why should the government he hates protect him?"
Heck, he doesn't recognize the ROC but the government is collecting his tax 
money all right, I suppose.

	Don't even think about sending personal e-mail flames. If it's not good
enough to be posted, it's not good enough for me to care.

							Richard Lee
Hong2 Lou2 Tsai2 Zi3 Gai4 Tien1 Hsia4!
Go Card! There's no place like here.
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From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: The Six-Year National Development Plan for Taiwan, "R.O.C"
Date: 11 Apr 92 22:32:48 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Apr10.233642.8923@cs.yale.edu>, horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
> 
> The Japanese government was the *illegitimate* government of Taiwan throughout
> most of the ROC (and a couple of decades before).  The ROC, which inherited
> all of China's territory from the Qing dynasty, was the legitimate government
> of Taiwan.  Now the PRC is the legitimate government of Taiwan.
> 
> Does that answer your question?
> 

	** "Legitimate" is an undefined and useless word.

	   So, ROC *IS* the government of Taiwan.

	   So, PRC *IS NOT* the government of Taiwan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ioguo@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (OA Guo)
Subject: Re: Why did Huang Shun Xin defect to China?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  6 Apr 1992 14:34 EDT  

In article <1992Apr6.155638.4270@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu) writes...
> 
>My apologies to those who don't like political subjects.  This is
>about a controversial political character, please skip.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>>From:  James Ou, <jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu>
>>Source: soc.culture.china, April 4, 1992, abridged by CND
>>
>>Taiwanese delegate Huang2 Shun4 Xing1, the brother of the ex-chairman of
>>the Taiwanese DPP party, Huang2 Xin4 Jie4, walked out the congress angrily.
>>
> 
>This is new to me.  Huang Shun Xing is Huang Xin Jie's brother?  
>Would somebody post a verification on that?

	NO.  That is definitely incorrect.  Huang, Xin-Jie has a brother in
	mainland China, I believe his name is Huang, Siao-Chuan (or similar).
	This Huang Shun-Xing is from Chang-Hwa and was one time the county
	government of Tai-Dong.  He went to China for some unclear reason.
	I believe he was trying to find the "future" for Taiwan.  He was
	selected as one of the representatives of Taiwan.  (Chang, Chun-Nan
	is also one of the Taiwan representatives).  A few years ago. he 
	became frustrated about the political environment of China and 
	requested to return to Taiwan and was rejected by CCP.
> 
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OA Guo                        |My statement does not reflect NASA's point of
NASA - Lewis Research Center  |view.  Nor should NASA's statements reflect
Cleveland, Ohio               |my point of view.
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From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Joe & his two streams of nationalism
Date: 26 Mar 92 11:00:57 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <9203240530.AA03208@monsoon.Berkeley.EDU> tyhuang@OCF.BERKELEY.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
>Kinship is the extension of family which is mostly defined by common blood.
>See, the US is Joe's homeland because he is bonded to this land where he
>and his friends live.  This attachment is the land-based nationalism advocated
>by many Taiwanese politicians.

Except that the sense of kinship that I feel toward Americans has
nothing at all to do with land.  I know a lot of Americans, have
been influenced by them, and they consider me one of them. 

The same is true of Chinese.

The "nationalism" that exists is in both cases people-based and not
land-based.  I think that land-based nationalism is becoming obsolete,
and I would prefer to deemphasize it.

>This is the lesson telling us that more than one national attachment can
>exist in an individual's mind peacefully.

Yeah.
From: bbs@medsys.rn.com (Public BBS System)
Subject: Re: Control?! (The Six-Year...)
Reply-To: bbs@medsys.UUCP (Public BBS System)
Organization: Med-Systems, Kingsport, Tennessee
Date: 17 Apr 1992 01:49:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.215629.9888@sbcs.sunysb.edu> hsiang@sbhsiang.cs.sunysb.edu (J. Hsiang) writes:
>
>This is my challenge to Ms. lko.  There's only one place for TI, and that is
>Taiwan.  I respect people like Hsu Hsin-liang, Kuo Pei-hong, 
>Chang Tsang-hong, who go back to Taiwan and put themselves on the line.
>Since Ms. lko no longer has the convenient excuse such as "still in school",
>I don't see anything wrong with challenging her to put her money where her
>mouth is.
>

I encourage her to stay in the U.S. One more TIer stays in the U.S. is
one less TIer to vote in Taiwan. 

Chou1

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: aamir@IASTATE.EDU (Mohammad Asif)
Subject: Re: An example (was: Re: ++++The Six-Year.....)
Reply-To: aamir@IASTATE.EDU (Mohammad Asif)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:28:43 GMT
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: to proud citizens
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:34:33 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Apr16.3716.3716@Eng.Sun.COM>, peter@Eng.Sun.COM (Peter Liu) writes:

> Why? Because the boy was fooled by NAZI.
> He paid his foolish unconditioned loyalty to NAZI.
> 
> I think even a child can see that the boy's wrong.
> But why can't these proud citizens understand what's wrong with their pride?  

	** Inadequate parable !

	   NAZI was strong at that time. Not only a boy, many adults
	   did the same. It is fully understandable.

	   ROC is not strong today. There must be other reason for
	   those stubborn ones keep being proud of ROC. 

	   What do you think the reasons are? 
> Need a mirror, proud citizens?
> When a person from Mainland said
> "I am proud of Chinese culture." or
> "I am proud of being a Chinese (in ethical/non-political sense).",
> there is no objection in my mind.
> But when a person from Mainland said
> "I am proud of People Republic of China."
> "I am proud of the Chinese Communist Government/Party."
> I feel the person is as guilty as Li-Peng.
> 
> So, proud citizens, see the difference?

	** You don't understand.

	   I would interprete that this person is proud of the
	   1949 revolution.  I don't see anything wrong with it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang)
Subject: Re: HSNU needs you!
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:52:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.000655.2632@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> jc2d@newton.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jyh-ching Chang) writes:
>exam.   Actually, I developed my reading interest about literature and 

So did I and many others, I believe :).  Note I did not attack any school
nor its students in particular.  As to whether you want to call the so called 
'good' pre-college students smarter or memorizing better or doing drills better
that's a whole different subject.  I'd risk to say that not a small amount of
them are the latter.  There are lots of late bloomers to whom our high school
curriculum contributes little.  

On the other hand, looking back, I kind of like the idea of male or female
bonding in that age, wearing uniform, balanced subjects such as music, arts,
PE, military classes.

>some are lead by the system and some can creat their own view even though
>they are under the same system.  I'll say this is the basis to tell if a
>school is good enough.  Someone has pointed out that those "good school"
>just got more smarter students.  So what?  Better students make it a better
>school no matter how we put those good students together, by entrace exam,
>or by Bao-Sung, or whatever.

Definition of 'good' high school in Taiwan in general public's perception is
how many students they can CRAM into college.  But as a surviving student if
you cherish your high school life and think your school is good, then it's
good.  However, to say 'my school is better than yours' is pointless.

-- 
Wen-lin                      
wang@ssd.intel.com           | My openion is mine --
                             | (with lots of influences from everywhere:).
From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: National Identity (Re: Joe)
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:17:16 GMT
Reply-To: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Organization: Columbia University, New York City

In article <1992Apr11.105311.4155@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.010530.17719@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
>1. It is not scientific to say that Yellow river is the "Birth place of
>   Chinese Civilization."  As many archeology works in China reveals,
>   Each region in the Han habitats currently ruled by PRC had developed
>   some level of civilization at the same time.  There was no single
>   origin of the Han civilization.

  Yellow River is traditionally believed to be the birth place of Chinese
  Civilization.  I don't think historians/archeologist have agreed on 
  anything in that respect.  Anyway, that was good enough to explain why
  people (like ROC gov.) praise Yellow River.

>2. The KMT state simply does not treat Taiwan as HOME.

  Can anybody elaborate on that?
  Evidence?  Reason?
  KMT govt is not dominated by people who dream that they would re-occupy
  mainland in their lifetime.  Then they won't want to rape the land.
  
>>People love the land only on the CONDITION that they believe the land loves
>>them by supporting their good life.
>>
>1. If you settle on a land, you have to love the land for an equal
>   return.

  We agree on that.  If u can settle on the land, then it supports ur life,
  then the CONDITION for loving the land is fulfilled.

>>What can I say!  I can't figure out what's Hua-yi.  (I no Chinese, btw.)
>Yi4 = descendant

  Got it.  Tnx.  Hua2-Yi4 = people of Chinese descent.

>   My nation is different form Harry's nation is different form Joe's
>   nation in definition.

  ha? ~!@#$%^&..   So, what's your definition of "nation"?

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From: pcli@uicadf.csl.uiuc.edu (Ping-Chung Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: to proud citizens
Date: 17 Apr 1992 15:58:14 GMT
Organization: Coordinated Science Lab., University of Illinois
NNTP-Posting-Host: uicadf.csl.uiuc.edu

In article <1992Apr17.2232.2232@Eng.Sun.COM> peter@Eng.Sun.COM (Peter Liu) writes:
>In article pcli@uicadf.csl.uiuc.edu (Ping-Chung Li) writes
>>In article <1992Apr16.3716.3716@Eng.Sun.COM> peter@Eng.Sun.COM (Peter Liu) writes:
>>>A country is worth of loving only if
>>>the country is established on the basis of justice and love.
>>
>>        When ROC was funded in 1911, her goal was indeed the above.
>                  ~~~ ~~~~~~
>
>    I suppose you meant "founded", right? :-)

	Oops, typo. Sorry about that.
>
>    Then are you sure that ROC's goal IS still the above?

	My definition: one country's goal is the goal of her people as a whole.
	Then right now ROC's goal is earning money. 8-(

>    Are you sure that ROC's goal WILL still BE the above?

	I do believe this. Guess I am not as pessimistic as you. I do have much
	hope on ROC. How KMT will do is not my business.
>
>Hi, Mr. Li: I recalled you. 
>If my memory serves me right, you were once the CEO (Dson3 Gainn4 Shi4)
>of Student Association (Ban1 Lan2 Hwei4) of Chien4-Kuo2 Senior High, right?

	Oops! Well, before my term, the position was called Chairman. Two terms
	after, the position was resumed Chairman. It's too bad I did not get a
	Chair. 8-) 
	BTW, being a CEO/Chairman does not need to be a KMTer. In case any
	netter thinks I am a KMT spy. 8-) 
>
>>        Being proud of PRC and being proud of CCP are different. Many
>>        mainlanders are proud of the former but hate the latter.
>>        I don't think they are as guilty as Li Peng.
>
>Even if a mainlander ONLY said "I am proud of People Republic of China.",
>I suppose that person is still as guilty as Li Peng,

	It seems we have different points of view. I do think every country as
	pure as most of her people. Evil only comes from the government/party.

>because the political purpose of PRC is not right

	Don't know how you define the political purpose of a country, hwo about
	the constitution of her? I certainly do not consider the political
	purpose of a government/party as that of her country. 

>
>I understood that article no less than you, Mr. Li.
>
	You won't happen to be the author, would you? 8-) I knew him but I 
	forgot his name. Bad memory on names. 8-(

>Peter, another Chien4-Chon1-Ren2

	I do like to talk Chien4-Chon1 instead of politics. I am retrospective.

Ping
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