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From: GC.AVW@forsythe.stanford.edu (RAGIN CAJUN)
Subject: Re: Wow! I can't believe the inspiration here! : )
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:05:53 GMT

In article <5502@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>,
jsl+@pitt.edu (John S Lundberg) writes:
>In article <22214@galaxy.ucr.edu> samari@watserv.ucr.edu writes:
>>The reason why swimming is not goo for losing fat, is that the body
>>is constantly losing heat in the water, and it needs the added
>>insulation to keep it warm.
>
>I have to wonder about this...it seems to me that if your body
>is losing heat in the water that that heat must come from somewhere.
>Also, swimming places little strain on the joints in contrast to
>activities such as running which may be a plus for someone who is
>carrying extra weight.
>
This is a fact.  There was a recent study, last year, done at
Stanford, that said that swimmers in CA, especially women, had an
extra layer of fat cause the weather is cool and most of the pools
are not heated.

>I also wonder whether the actual calories burned in exercise is
>really as important as breaking sedentary habits and establishing
>new ones.  If one enjoys swimming then that's probably what one
>should do.  The psychological benefits of exercise may be as
>important as its physiological benefits for some people. This
>seems to be true for me, anyway.  Even if walking doesn't burn
>one extra calorie it makes me feel better and it certainly
>doesn't *add* calories. :-)
>--

I think it is the long term effects that help.  It isn't just the
calories you burn while doing the activity but the calories that you
continue to burn after the activity.  I am diabetic and started a
diet 3 weeks ago along with an exercise program.  I, finally,
decided that the weight wasn't going to magically fall off and
started doing something about it.  I have been walking, started at
1/2 hr 3 times a week and am now up to 1 1/2-2 hrs 5 times a week.
I got very determined cause after being on the diet only a week I
met someone I was not going to lose because I am fat.  I lost 9 lbs
the first 2 weeks.  I have another week to go on the next 2 weeks so
wish me luck.

Alma Woolf
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Winning, losing & surviving the battle
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:31:26 GMT

Never go shopping for food before you've eaten dinner!
It's too easy to want everything.  I did this once, and
I remember salivating over a jar of pickled herring sitting
on the grocery shelf, and I hate pickled herring-- can't
imagine eating it.  On the other hand, if I go after having
eaten, there isn't the same edge to the stuff sitting on
the shelf--they don't cry "eat me!" so loudly.

A good exercise which I use after those times I've
eaten somewhat more than usual (which I wrote about earlier
this week) is to reflect on what I ate and think: was
it worth it?  Sometimes I say yes, other times no.
I find that it's useful to reflect on both answers.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: mprisco@lynx.cat.syr.edu ()
Subject: vacation from hell
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 13:08:49 EDT


Well, I thought I'd post this since I hadn't done a status
update and wanted some ideas on how I SHOULD have handled
this vacation....

First, status: total loss so far 66.5 lbs.  But....I have not
been exercising and have lost the last 10 lbs ONLY becuase
I was under alot of stress (I don't eat when I'm really
nervous...but its not a fun way to lose...).  Meanwhile,
I haven't been eating well and have just totally lost
my exercise motivation.  I even got my brother to lend me
his bicycle that he never rides, but I'm just not motivated
to use it!

Anyway, the vacation:  we did a New England trip this weekend.
We stayed at a relative's on Saturday and that was OK.  We
hit a grocery store so I was able to get my lite
salad dressing and frozen yogurt.  But then we went on to
Boston....first off, for me Boston isn't an "eater's"
city since I don't like traditional Boston fare...(broiled,
boiled, etc).  But we were there with a friend and 
around 4 pm I was getting hungry (had only ahd a 1/2
bagel that day) so I suggested some frozen yogurt figuring
I'd save my WW exchanges for dinner.  Well, our friend
was hungry too and wanted chinese so I said "is this
lunch or dinner?" and they (the guys...) said "a snack!"
So I ordered won ton soup but didn't realize how hungry I
was until the rest of the food came.  I went bad on the
fried rice!  And, yes, I found out that I cannot tolerate
greasy food any more.....  About 4 hours later the guys were
ready for dinner....  I was still feeling kinda sick but we
went to the No Name restaurant, and since I don't care much
for sea food, I had a club soda and wound up eating
my husband's cole slaw ( more guilt!) since the place
didn't serve salads and the only side dishes were cole
slaw and french fries!  I finally got my frozen yogurt (at 10pm).
But I was shocked at how much lack of control I had in the
chinese place!  I love chinese and hadn't had it in at least
9 months but......I knew I shouldn't be eating that stuff,
I think I just waited too long to eat!  I haven't done
anything like that since I started WW!  Bummer.  At least I
walked alot.  Sorry this is so long!

Margot

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From: sebhis@dante.lbl.gov (Sarah Bretz)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Advice wanted on sandwich spreads
Date: 14 Sep 1992 22:54:33 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
Reply-To: sebhis@dante.lbl.gov (Sarah Bretz)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

In article <yctnm+.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>
>Another good sandwich spread is ripe avocado.
>
>David

No offense, but avocado is LOADED with FAT!
From: sheena@chemeng.ed.ac.uk (Sheena MacKenzie)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Something I threw together...
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:43:52 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Edinburgh University Chemical Engineering Department

I've never posted to this group before, but I've enjoyed reading the
posts and trying out some of the recipes. I got home late from the
office yesterday and was left with four defrosted turkey steaks which
had to be dealt with. Not having much else in the house I ended up
throwing this together....

4 turkey steaks
1/2 a large carton of low fat natural yoghurt
couple of glugs of white wine
5 mushrooms (sliced)
2 spring onions
fresh parsley
seasoning

into a casserole dish. I cooked it in the microwave on high, stirring
every 10 minutes or so, for 1/2 an hour. Then I added a tablespoon of
flour to thicken it and cooked it for another 5 minutes.

The result was a bit sour (the wine had been sat in the fridge for a
long time), but really tasty, and pretty low fat. I ate it on a bed of
rice.

		Sheena

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                                        ~ ~	
Sheena MacKenzie                        O O     Email:  Sheena@ed.ac.uk	
Department of Chemical Engineering,   ===U===   Tel:    +44 31 650 4868
University of Edinburgh.              =======
From: bf957@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Barry H. Rodin)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: CHALLENGE--Write in your ideas!
Date: 8 Sep 1992 20:43:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bf957@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Barry H. Rodin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, dowling@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Marie Dowling) says:

>On a side note, I had a success this week.  I'm usually a big tartar 
>sauce fan, perhaps 1/3 cup for a fillet, but I know how bad that is.  
>This week I layered  spinach, a fish fillet, and an onion slice 
>sprinkled w/ Westerchire sauce.  I sealed the whole thing in al. foil 
>and baked it. It was wonderful! I used the spinach as a topping 
>instead of tartar sauce, and saved myself from quite a bit of fat.
>I'm trying hard to learn to live a low-fat way of life.
>
Instead of tartar sauce, I top my fish fillets with piccalilli
(sweet pickle relish).  Or make your own combination of a small amount of
diet (no fat) mayonnaise mixed with a lot of the sweet pickle relish.
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: off of rec.food.veg
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:14:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I took Sharon Morrison's recipe off of rec.food.veg
It is easy to make this stuff and it is awesome. I add a packet of
"pesto" dip mix ( no fat) and it is heavenly) below I shared my pizza
creation!

I am learning to bake bread ( never my strong suit) and when I find a
pizza dough I like I will post that,too!!

Best wishes
rf

In article <BuKwMF.9M8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sharon@phoneme.shs.uiuc.edu (Sharon Morrison) writes:
>> 
>My standard eggplant dish is ratatouille (some approximation of the  
>spelling).  Amount of ingredients can be varied.
>
>2 c. each  peeled. cubed (small) eggplant
>           chopped zuchinni
>           chopped onion
>           chopped green pepper (can use 1 c.)
>           chopped to[Amatoes (an extra cup is good)
>2-7 minced garlic cloves (more is better)
>1/4+  tsp. pepper
>(1/2 tsp. dried basil)- optional
>(1/4 tsp. sour salt - citric acid I think)-optional - adds extra zing.
>
>Combine in large pot and heat over medium heat, stirring often, until  
>enough liquid comes out of the veggies to simmer them.  Reduce heat and  
>simmer 30-45 minutes, stirring occasionally, until veggies are tender.  
>(Tastes best if you eat it the next day when the flavors have 'melded')
>Serve with brown rice or a hearty bread.
>
>enjoy!
>Sharon Morrison

We made ratatouille "pizza" this weekend.

Used a foccacia (onion) I am unsure of the spelling on this to :-)
put the new NONFAT ricota on it ( spread like peanut butter), then
piled the ratatouille on top and coated with the new NONFAT
Mozzarella.

Baked at 400 for about 15 minutes.

awesome!
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: churchwell@vms.ocom.okstate.edu (Kimberly B. Churchwell)
Subject: Re: Fat Substitutes
Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:40:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.202028.12397@afit.af.mil>, jswitzer@afit.af.mil
(Chip Switzer) writes:
> Can anyone comment on the taste of some of these fat substitutes?  And
> can you tell me what products use them?  Most notably, Simplesse.

I've seen Simplesse so far only in frozen dairy desserts (yogurt, ice
milk, etc.).  I've been regularly buying fat-free frozen yogurt from
Braum's (a regional dairy/fast food chain), and I think the texture is
quite good--certainly better than most of the non-Simplesse, nonfat
frozen dairy products I previously tried.  My only complaint with these
lowfat desserts is that they are often too SWEET for my taste!  For
example, I've yet to find a flavor of the Healthy Choice frozen dairy
line (which are, BTW, _low_fat, NOT nonfat, and do not contain
Simplesse, to my knowledge) that I can tolerate.
-- 
Kimberly B. Churchwell, Prog./Analyst, Okla. State U.  | TANSTAAFL, but
Osteopathic College--churchwell@vms.ocom.okstate.edu   | even so, I never
BIX--kchurchwell  AOL--KChurchwel  CIS--72170,1552     | quit hoping.
From: jane@tortoise.ee.lbl.gov (Jane Colman)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: Seat Padding: was Re: Bicycle Question
Date: 9 Sep 1992 16:45:37 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: jane@tortoise.ee.lbl.gov (Jane Colman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.112.27

In article <63620026@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks) writes:
>I noticed that the saddles
>felt a *lot* better after I lost my weight.  (Guess that's one of
>the few areas of the body that never gets any fat padding.
>
My experience has been entirely to the contrary.  One of the
ways I can tell I am really getting thinner is that all of a
sudden seats (all seats, not bicycle saddles) start feeling
a lot harder.  Probably it has to do with the different places
in which men and women tend to carry their fat.

Jane Colman
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: "Amy Young Leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Bicycle Question: was Re: Congrats!!!
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 22:39:38 -0500

In article <168568BBB.M21444@mwvm.mitre.org> M21444@mwvm.mitre.org writes:

>But I got a new bicycle last night -- can't wait to
>take it for a spin after work today.  It had never
>occurred to me to buy a bicycle; haven't had one
>since high school.  But on vacation a few weeks ago,
>I borrowed a friend's bike and had a ball!  I doubt
>I'll ever be a "serious" cyclist, but it was fun and
>relaxing.

This is going to sound really dumb, but here goes... 

I love to ride, however I have one problem, and always have had it,
regardless of my weight, even when I was "skinny" by reports from my
doctor.  I cannot find a bike that is comfortable to ride for long
periods.  The seat seems to bruise me, and I hurt like hell for a few
days afterward. 

Is this just me, or....?

amy
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From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:40:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Dealing with unwelcome advice
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet

sounds like a question that Miss Manners should field, but for my own
case, if someone is rash enough to criticize my food choices, I
smile sweetly and say "it works for me, thank you".  Then again, my
diet is unlike anything published in a book...

I have a friend who was constantly harping at me to eat "real food",
which by his definition, was steaks, chops, pancakes, etc.  After several
months of fending off this advice, I decided that our friendship would
work better if I didn't see him very often.  (We first became friends
when I was quite heavy, as was he.  When I was on my fast, he complained
that I wasn't having dinner with him anymore [a once-twice a week affair],
but this got to be constant when I hit maintainence and discovered I
didn't like those old foods.  He had also gone on an extreme sort-of-
fast [cabbage and pepper] several years before, and suffered some
health problems.  He was always down on my fast.)

In my case, I felt I had to make a decision between my old friendship
and my new lifestyle.  Hope your situation won't be as grim.

Pete Brooks
From: shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan Hagan)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Re: what is applesauce?
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:27:33 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

geschwent@vax.muskingum.edu writes:

>In article <184nl5INNkej@uk-news.UK.Sun.COM>, kathy@fleance.UK.Sun.COM (Kathy Jago ) writes:

>> Anyone able to convert applesauce to something I can buy in
>> a UK supermarket, or make myself?  

What?  They don't have applesauce in the U.K.?  I can't believe that.
You probably just call it something else.  Describe it to your local
supermarket manager and see if they have it.

Basically, it is cooked, pureed apples, sometimes with a little cinnamon
and/or sugar.  Considering that one of the few fruits native to the
U.K. is apples, and considering how much Brits like to mush their food :),
I have a hard time believing that it isn't available there.

I would try hard to find it in the supermarket first, because its a bit
time consuming and messy to make yourself, althought it is worth it if
you have no other way of getting it.

Sue

-- 
Susan R. Hagan (shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu) 
Publications Coordinator - User Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
From: dowling@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Marie Dowling)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Looking for Patricia
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:29:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hey Patricia G.!!!

I sent you an e-mail last week about my amazing plateau breakthrough and 
wondered why you didn't respond. I just got the bounced message back 
this morning, I sent it to the wrong address. Now I'm not sure what the 
right address is. So I'm hoping to meet you here again.

Another personal victory:  For some inane reason I tend to think I 
deserve a treat for the ride home every time I go grocery shopping. I 
often munch chips or cashews or gummi bears. After all, eating in the 
car doesn't count. Well, I haven't broken the habit completely, but 
the past few trips I went to the salad bar and picked up a couple 
florets of broccolli and cauliflower and a strawberry. At least I'm 
thinking ahead for those times when I eat without thinking.

How come we can't lose weight for all the things we DON'T eat? I mean, 
how come when that co-worker offers me a donut and I say No thanks, I 
can't just drop a pound right then and there? Every time I pass the 
temptation test I'd lose 3 or 4 lbs?...Sigh. Wishful thinking.
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: watanabe@milton.cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Water weight!?!?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:39:28 GMT

dianeg@bcm.tmc.edu (Diane Ellen Griffiths) writes:

>Hi! Does anyone else have MAJOR problems with water weight? I can gain
>about 3-6 pounds with just water weight and I really do not know what
>is causing it. I do not use salt at all when I cook so that cannot be it,
>and it does not always happen at the same times each month. It gets really
>frustrating since when I have the water weight (which has been bothering
>me for two weeks now) I can't get my rings off, I feel very bloated so I
>eat less and I feel so fat! And I hate going to weigh in at WW when I have
>water weight since that gain is depressing! I know it is worse when the
>humidity is real high which is common in Houston.

>Any ideas on what I can do to solve this problem??
>Diane

If you want to weigh less, become an astronaut :)

Seriously, does it really matter how much you weigh? Or is
the real issue that your body has too much fat? I don't
think a high percentage of water in the system has been
shown to have any adverse effects.

Probably the reason you seem to have "gained" water 
weight is that what you "lost" before was from your
body's water compartment and very little from stored fat.
Wilmore, J. H. and Costill, D. L. (1988) say something
to the following effect:

If you fast for 30 days, almost all of the
weight loss will be from water loss. Between days 2-5 you
will lose something from your protein stores. 
However, you will lose almost no weight loss from fat.

Much of this water loss comes about because your
body doesn't get enough carbohydrates. When your
body doesn't get enough carbos, the glycogen stores
are depleted. For each gram of carbohydrate used, about
3 grams of water are lost.  Assuming 800 grams of stored glycogen,
you will lose slightly more than 5 lbs of water
(2,400 grams of water). You also lose additional 
water from ketosis (ketone bodies accumulate in the blood from
the brekadown of free fatty acids).

So, what is probably happening is you are depleting/refilling
your body's glycogen stores. This is causing the fluctuation
in weight. The solution is to take off the weight more slowly.
Wilmore and Costill show that it is actually impossible to 
lose more than 4 lbs of fat a week, even when fasting. The
reason is that the body's metabolic rate will be
reduced; on the other hand, you cannot train very hard with no
intake of food and almost total depletion of glycogen, so
you can't lose any more weight by more activity.

Wilmore & Costill's solution is to combine moderate dietary restriction
with increase levels of exercise. I.e if you reduce your
diet by 100 kcal per day (I think that's about 1 apple)
less than what the body actually needs, and you lose another
.25-.5 lbs per week from jogging say 3 times a week, then you 
can lose 23-36 lbs a year, almost all fat.


-Larry Watanabe
From: cgregory@sparc19.cs.uiuc.edu (Christine Gregory)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
Subject: Chris' Concoctions...
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:14:17 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign


Hi.  This is my first time posting here, so excuse me if i throw in a lot
of semi-disjointed comments...  :-)

Anyway, last night, I tried a new 'concoction', and it came out sooooo good,
(well, *I* liked it), I thought it was a good time for my first a.s.d post.

I guess this stuff is closest to 'rice pudding', but not quite...

In a microwavable container, put (leave in 'layers' do not stir)

1/2 cup rice
sprinkle with cinnamon, nutmeg, and Molly McButter (and/or other spices)
add 1 can of 'lite' (packed in fruit juice) canned fruit (I used pears) --
	juice and all
add 1 cup water or fruit juice (I used pineapple juice)

microwave covered for 15 minutes, then uncover and microwave until
excess liquid is gone (about another 15 minutes).

Besides tasting good, it made the kitchen smell great!  :-)

I often make concoctions of this type with rice or pasta or beans plus
veggies and seasonings, but this was my first time making something
'sweet' that way.

The time, of course, depends on your microwave -- if the rice comes out a little
'crunchy' then increase the covered-cooking time.

I'm sure this could be made on the stovetop, too, but I tend to scorch things
that way.  :-)
Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: tlh8c@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Lee Horton)
Subject: Re: Recipe: Sorta Chili (Odd)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:07:18 GMT

Odd, I'll say.  I have a natural aversion to anything but the
real thang even calling itself a chili facsimile, but...

WAY TO GO, PETE!  It actually sounds delicious.  Not chili, but
probably quite tasty.  Thanks for the recipe!



Tom

Newsgroups: alt.support.diet
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: WHat about those lousy skinny people?
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:36:03 GMT

In article <1935p4INNcch@agate.berkeley.edu> mossman@sag1.ssl.berkeley.edu () writes:
>I'm posting again for the first time in a while but I've been reading
>and getting some moral support. I have a problem taht has been mmentioned
>before, non-supportive boyfriend....Encouragment is to use
>the pet name `gorda' (spanish for fat), do the bongos on my excess fleshy
>bits, and, my favourite, saying "are you eating that?" as the food is
>halfway to my open mouth.

Unbelievable.

I can think of one easy way for you to lose 175 "excess" pounds
without dieting.

>I certainly feel fat, but in the last two years I have had a net loss of
>only about 5 pounds. Can someone please explain to me how to get it through 
>the thick but loveable skull of a non-dieter how to be supportive? Telling
>me "You are fat" is just getting a bit tiresome.

Yeah, tell him to shaddap.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer