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From: Deborah.R.Kozlowski@dartmouth.edu (Deborah R. Kozlowski)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Double-cambered x-c skis
Date: 26 Sep 92 21:05:17 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu


 My understanding of the term "double cambered" is that it denotes a
ski stiff enough that the central portion of the running base, the "wax
pocket", is held high enough that it is effectively not in contact with
the snow, unless it is being pressed into the snow by a strong kick. So
far so good, but lately I have been hearing - from touring center
personel, ski shop sales people, etc., something that doesn't make
sense to me. It is that all cross-country skis, other than those
intended for skating or lift-serviced telemarking have to be "double
cambered".
 What these folks say is that, if the "wax pocket" with its grip wax
came in contact with the snow, it would stick in the snow, making
gliding all but impossible. This just doesn't jibe with my experience
and understanding of how skis and wax work. I have several pairs of
skis, including woodies, which not only, to best of my knowledge, are
not double cambered, but have lost enough flex so that the whole
running surface of the ski is always in contact with the snow. While
they don't provide maximum performance, they do work in basicaly the
same way as a pair of nice springy new skis. The right wax will only
stick if pressed into the snow when the skis arn't moving.
 I had thought that double cambered skis were meant for racers and very
athletic tourers, having the advantages that 1. Extra stiffness enabled
them to store more energy. and 2. Yes, they do have slightly less
friction than less stiff skis when glider wax is used on the tips and
tails and grip wax in the wax pocket, but only enough less to matter a
lot to a racer. Since most folks who want to ski fast now use skating
equipment, it seems that actual double cambered skis would be obsolete.
Maybe the marketers didn't want to let a great buzz word go to waste,
even if using it neccesitates a misunderstanding of how wax works.
 I am interested in knowing what others think about this.

Deb Kozlowski
From: kpm8447@tesla.njit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Stop the East/West bashing!
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:01:01 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology


Why all this East/West bashing?  I live in New Jersey and spent most
of my time at Camelback in the Poconos (900 ft Vert drop!)  Not much, but I
had fun.  I skiied during the week so there were no crouds.  I also skiied
in New England..but that doesn't happen too often because of the travel
aspect.  Camelback is 90 minutes from my house.  A bit of a haul to do every
Tuesday but that's what you gotta do.  I *wish* I could go out west and ski.
It's different conditions but I'd love to try it.  I think everyone should
quit ragging and start skiing!  The bottom line is, if you have a place to ski,
ski it!  Don't worry about travelling 900 miles to somewhere for "fresh powder"
or whatever.  Make due with what you have.

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From: bdl@cruiser.uucp (Bob Lombard)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: re: skiing in the rain
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:37:38 PDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: what? me organized? no way!

Something else to consider is Foul Weather sailing gear.  I've
used mine while teaching in the rain, works great.  Cost me about
$ 120.00 at West Marine for both tops/bottoms.

Glen's earlier comment applies tho,  water proof gear doesn't breathe,
(especially this stuff) period, so plan accordingly.

An Advantage for patrolling is lots of large voluminous pockets.


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From: wanek@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Wanek)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Boots recommendations wanted
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:30:49 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

The best advise I can give is DON'T LISTEN TO ANYTHING ANYBODY
HAS TO SAY ABOUT BOOTS.  Your own feet are the best indicator 
of how good a pair of boots is.

First, go to some store that has a very large selection (so the salesman
won't push you towards a boot that he happens to have in stock).
Don't limit yourself to a short list of boots to try on.
A good boot fitter will measure your foot and recommend brands
that will tend to fit the shape of your foot better.  I've even
seen a computerized system that takes a series of measurments of your
foot and spits out a list of boots to try.  When you try them on, 
don't worry too much about the features or performance...in a given
price range, I find that most boots from different manufacturers are
pretty comparable.  Besides, the best performance feature I've ever
had is a good fit...unless you think you'd ski better if you feet 
hurt.

john
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sargent@westford.ccur.com (Ken Sargent)
Subject: Re: Any skiing near Las Vegas?
Followup-To: Sender
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.  Westford, MA
Distribution: rec.skiing
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:30:04 GMT

In article <JNOVY.92Sep26083905@dante.nmsu.edu> jnovy@nmsu.edu (NOVY) writes:
>I am going to be going to Las Vegas,NV  for Christmas this year and
>would like to know if there is any good place near there that I could
>go skiing?  I don't want to drive but maybe 2 to 3 hours to get to a
>ski resort and I am not familiar with that area to even know if
>something is even that close or not.  Any ideas would be great!!!!!
>
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>James

I was out in Vegas last Christmas and there is a small ski area just about
30 or so miles northwest of the city called Lee Canyon. If I can remember,
I'll dig out their brochure and post the details. It's a real small place,
I think about 10 or so trails. A fun little day trip and fairly cheap, I think
somewhere around $20 something. Slightly smaller and less challenging than
our Massachusetts area of Wachusett Mtn.

There is also a larger resort in southern Utah which is a strong 4 hour drive,
called Brian Head. The locals say it's a little over 3 hours, but believe me,
it's close to 4 1/2. I'd say it compares somewhat to Cranmore, here in the
White Mountains of NH., except that what they call icy conditions in Vegas
and Utah are what we call "packed powder" here in N.E.

One other thing you want to be aware of, the rental agencys in Vegas look at
you like you have 2 heads if you request ski-racks and skid chains with your
rental car. Some of the passes to and from the ski-areas require skid chains
to get by. You might want to pick up a set of "cables" from Pep Boys for about
$30-35 just in case.

Not what you would call a Ski Vacation Area, but you can surprise people when
you say you went skiing in Las Vegas.

Have fun,
Ken

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: MPG & Re: roof racks ?
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:50:23 GMT

In article 5762@versant.COM, dk@versant.COM (Dan Koren) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.213635.13064@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu writes:
>>
>>4)  I can drive from Boulder to Taos with 2 kayaks and get the
>>	same mileage as when I drive there with NO roof racks
>>	on the vehicle.
>
>What do you do in Taos with the kayaks ?!?
>
>I assume that's Taos, NM, right?
>
>
>dk
>
The Rio Grande river runs through the Taos Box (Canyon).
Two excellent runs exist there.  It only runs for about
a week before all the water is sucked by the potato farmers
in Soutern Co.

--Chris

Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson)
Subject: Re: Skiing in the rain
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:02:58 GMT

In article <28SEP92.09464425@enh.nist.gov> hudgens@enh.nist.gov writes:
>
>I don't seek out rainy days, but have had some of my best ski days in the rain.
>The trick is a great waterproof, good breathing coat with a deep hood. For
>pants I use a Supplex zip-over. Goretex might work better. Underneath I wear 
>a pair of Supplex sweat pants from a running suit. Usually I also wear thin 
>polypro long underwear.  I think that it is the second layer of breathable,
>relatively waterproof fabric that makes the difference.

All good points.  My favourite rain-wear item is a nice flexible brimmed
hat with a chin-strap.  Mine's a Tilley hat, one of those puppies that can
be stomped on, rolled up, chewed by bears, roasted in the campfire, and
still perform about as expected.

The problem with the hoods on jackets I've had is that if you ski fast they
tend to balloon up like a parachute.  Cinch them down tight enough to
prevent this and they either restrict neck movement or visibility.  The hat
tends to stay on better than I would have expected, in the worst case it
will blow off and dangle by the chin strap until you put it on again.
-- 
Grant Robinson -- ClariNet Communications Corp, Sunnyvale, CA (408)-296-0366
From: Deborah.R.Kozlowski@dartmouth.edu (Deborah R. Kozlowski)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Double-cambered x-c skis
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:16:18 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu


 On more thing re. the double-cambered ski controversy... Before glide
waxes were first offered in the '70's, grip wax was used over the whole
ski, not just the "wax pocket" middle area. Those of you who can
remember back that far know that your skis still worked with grib wax
in contact with the snow.

      DRk
From: hkelly@edsr.eds.com (Kelly Shuldberg)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: MPG & Re: roof racks
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:35:42 GMT
Organization: EDS Research


>>>4)  I can drive from Boulder to Taos with 2 kayaks and get the
>>>	same mileage as when I drive there with NO roof racks
>>>	on the vehicle.
>>
>>What do you do in Taos with the kayaks ?!?
>>
>>I assume that's Taos, NM, right?
>>
>>
>>dk

When the water is high enough (i.e. spring and early summer) folks float
various sections of the Rio Grande in the vicinity of Taos.

h. kelly shuldberg
hkelly@edsr.eds.com
Albuquerque, NM
From: jonw@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Jon Wade)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:19:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Colorado Skier - Trivia 2 - Who gets the most!
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

?   Here's a piece of Ski Movie Trivia I happened to witness.

During the Spring of '90 at Berthoud Pass Warren Millers Crew shot for several
days.  In one sequence a skier takes the 70ft cliff to the left of Rush Chute
as you view it from below, during his descent something causes him to roll
forward fully extended , he then tucks it into a flip and actually skiis
out of it.  The shot was included in Warren Millers next movie (I think
it was White Winter Heat).

??????????  Who was the skier and what other ski flics has he appeared in?

Hint: In one of his movies a group of friends roams Colorado, Wyoming, etc
for a winter on a borrowed credit card.
From: von@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Von Worley)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: In Defense of Texas Skiers!!
Keywords: rude texans, stay home billy bob
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:53:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley

In article <1992Oct02.210938.21092@bnr.ca> mhoyt@crchh47.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Michael Hoyt) writes:
>In several previous articles regarding TAOS I couldn't help but notice
>some shots at Texans.  

Here come some more!  Yay!

>Having grown up in N. Idaho, I am not a native Texan but since I live 
>and work in Texas I must rise to our (Texans) defense!

Sigh.

>If you really think we are simply going to settle for your leftovers 
>and throw-backs i.e. Angel Fire, your dreaming.  If you think you can
>keep us out of your secret powder stashes, you're too late we've already
>skiied them.  

Not!  True powder stashes are not divulged to non-natives.  We, of
course, designate certain non-optimal, hike accessible slopes as "Texan
deception zones".  These distance to these areas is much longer than 
the routes to our hidden runs, so as to keep Billy Bob off his skis 
as long as possible.  It is, of course, only the location of these 
"deception zones" which we divulge to Texans; since they come from a
barren wasteland of a state, they are in bliss and don't know what
they are missing.

>The next time you hike 30 or 40 minutes to reach that "special" run hoping 
>to make first tracks only to find someone else has beaten you to it, you can
>bet it was probably a Texan!!  It might have even been me!!

Hehe, it's working!

>God I love someone else's untracked powder!! 

Snicker.  While you are hiking up to the deception zone, where the wind
has most likely whipped all of the powder off the slope, or packed it
into a scaly crust, the natives are cranking turn after turn through 
the fluff!  Hahahahhaha!

>Eat my tracks and remember the Alamo.

When the NM legistlature authorizes the public execution of any rude 
Texan found on NM soil, you will be sorry.  Or maybe they'll just
pass a law which permits the removal of a finger off the hand which
a Texan uses to throw a beer can out the window, or the leg of a Texan
skier who plows into some innocent skier on some green run. 

:)

>Shread-Head.

A transplanted New Mexican,

Steve
-- 
Steve Von Worley
von@cory.berkeley.edu
Computer Science Gradual Student
University of California at Berzerkly 
From: jonw@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Jon Wade)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 16:05:38 GMT
Subject: Dreaming of Snow/Glass
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

Heard on the radio this morning that Loveland Pass got 4" of snow last 
night and more is on the way this weekend!  All we need is a quick storm
down here to scare people into putting their boats away and well have
a great couple of months of waterskiing to get us ready
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu (Chris Webster)
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiie
Reply-To: chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
Organization: Research Aviation Facility, NCAR, Boulder, CO
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:33:19 GMT

In article 23738@nas.nasa.gov, eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>Gee, interesting story.
>
>I still don't understand why a sizeable percentage of the net is so
>down in Texans.  I think what I found a tiny bit improbable about the story
>was that he drove a Porche.  I thought Texans drove pick up trucks.

Nope, Nope, nope..... Suburbans & Wagoneers was the choice of
Texans in Aspen (at least during the 70's and early 80's).

--Chris



Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: mkoechli@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Marco Koechli)
Subject: What, Raichele SWEDISH? (Re: Boots recommendations wanted)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:20:38 GMT

In article <dogar.718299024@opal4> dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar) writes:
>
>
>Also,
>What are the respective nationalities of ski equipment companies?
>Raichele--Sweden?


  Raichele is a SWISS brand of ski boat. (many people confuse Switzerland with
Sweden) Some other Swiss brands (at least skiis) are; Authier and Lacroix,
both of these are relatively expensive. I've only seen them over there.

  Marco Koechli, a Swiss-Canadian
From: ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994))
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Need info on Northern Colorado ski areas - day trips from Longmont
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:42:37 GMT
Reply-To: <ssh@vnet.ibm.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: ISSC Boulder

>>>>> On 30 Sep 92 21:06:12 GMT, brenda@ssc-vax.boeing.com (Brenda L Aldridge) said:

Brenda> I'd be interested in any information on ski areas within day trip range
Brenda> of Longmont, lift prices, and whether they would be good for both
Brenda> beginning and advanced skiers.

There's no lift-served skiing in Estes Park any more, and the Loveland that's
near Longmont is on the plains...  HOWEVER...

Loveland Basin/Valley, Winter Park, Silver Creek, Keystone, A-Basin,
Breckenridge, Copper Mountain, Vail, Beaver Creek, and Arrowhead are all within
2 hours of Longmont (from closest to farthest, approximately).  Loveland is
about an hour, Copper about 90 minutes, Vail nearly two hours.  I'd suggest
calling Colorado Ski Country USA (call 800-555-1212 to get their number, I
don't have it handy) and order a Colorado Resort Guide.
--
Steve Hultquist                          Open systems and networking specialist
Where the earth rises to meet the sky...                           ISSC Boulder
From: hgork@iesd.auc.dk (Birgitte Krogh)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skier classification
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:54:03 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University

>>>>> On 30 Sep 92 22:31:36 GMT, kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) said:
kde> X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4

kde> How about:

kde>    Beginner: a skier that has a little fun.
kde>  
kde>    Intermediate: a skier that has more fun.
kde>  
kde>    Advanced: a skier that has a lot of fun.
kde>  
kde>    Expert: a skier that laughs like a maniac in the powder.
kde>  
kde> After all, that *is* the reason we're out there.

Sure, sure, but I've known lots of beginners (including me, some years
ago) that had *a lot* of fun! Actually, I reckon one of the great
advantages about skiing is that it is fun from the very beginning
(unlike e.g. tennis...). AND DON'T SPOIL THIS! -- I'm trying to
persuade my boyfriend to come with me this winter... on his first
skiing holiday.

'gork
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From: hl0t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Harold S. Lessure)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Used skis K2 5500 m38's ?
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:26:30 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


I'm a relatively new skier on a budget who fell for the sport in a
pretty big way...bought my first skis as used rentals the day after
I first went skiing. Those first skis are now totally beat to 
smithereens - so I need to get new skis...Knowing that the eime was
rapidly approaching...I started to demo skis at the end of last 
season...I found that I liked skis that were about 195 cm and more
flexible...when I ski I like both diamonds and squares...not 
a moguls dancer yet, I like to get back on the tails a little and
practice rythmic turning and control as I push up my speed...

now I've seen an ad for some year old K2 5500 skis with Marker m38
bindings but I do not know what type of ski this is and also no
idea of what they may be worth if they're in very good condition?

Anybody willing to comment? Just not familiar with manufacturers and
models yet...but if I can get a good deal on an appropriate ski...I
may go for it while I continue to demo ski's once in a while...I am
keeping my old beaters for those early/late season runs and maybe
to practice ski tuning! Thanks in advance!

-Harold
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: Man made snow (SUCKS)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 20:17:09 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com 
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center

In article <1992Oct5.183337.24486@nas.nasa.gov>,
eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct5.044119.27468@trl.oz.au>
|> harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant) writes:
|> 	^^^^^^^^^ what a great hostname!
|> >Due to the fact that snow falls as a 3 dimensional crystal,
|> 
|> Actually the majority (over 90%) of the crystals (flakes) fall as plates.
|> This is an open research problem.
|> 
|> Correct density definition deleted.
|> 
|> >Heavy snow is around 10-15% water
|> >by volume, while very light powder is around 5%.
|> 
|> The range is considerably wider than that.  0.7% is actually possible.
|> And it gets heavier than that.
|> 
|> --eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
|>   Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
|>   {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
|> Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
|> Ref: Bentley, Snow Crystals, Dover Press.

There's also a huge variation in the wetness of man made now. I saw an
interesting video by Killington, describing the 3 day process that went
from dry grass and rocks to skiiable trail. They start pumping out snow as wet
as they can make it. No pretense of making skiable snow, they want a heavy
solid base at the bottom. (They pointed out that the heavier the base, the
less likely the groomers chew through to dirt) Once they've got this down, they
gradually blend in more air to the mixture, and finish off by blowing as light
a snow as temperature and humidity permits. When it's cold and dry, this is 
pretty dry. Not powder, at least not by natural snow standards, but six inches
of the dry stuff, on a mugul run, skis a lot like several day old, lightly
skied on natural stuff. 


David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
                   -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
aim" - George Santayana
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Any skiing near Las Vegas?
From: carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898)
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:38:27 GMT
Organization: L.A. Dept. of Water & Power


>Another options (though I wouldn't consider it much of one) is the Big Bear 
>area above LA.  It's about 3/4 hours, maybe faster if there is back way
>from the North or east.  It's usually got nasty conditions and large
>crowds.
>
>Brian Atkins
Brian, your geography is way off here.  Big Bear is 3-4 hours away from
Las Vegas.  As for conditions, Big Bear areas can have anything from
ice to powder.  Crowds are no better or worse than in Colorado.  Terrain
(or lack of it) is the big problem with Big Bear.


-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Carlson Peters			L.A. Dept. of Water & Power
carlson@manta.dwp.la.ca.us	111 N. Hope St., Room 1129
213.481.7898			L.A. CA 90012
From: dmccarro@sedona.intel.com (David McCarroll)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Steamboat
Keywords: Hot Springs
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:47:57 GMT
Reply-To: dmccarro@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation
Originator: dmccarro@sedona


Could someone tell me how to access the hot springs that are
suppose to be just off one of the runs at Steamboat.
Also what will be the lift rates be this year?
Thanks.
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