HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe)
Subject: Re: AIDS and the common cup
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:32:39 GMT

callum@bain3.bain.oz.au (Callum Gibson) writes:

>Rick Jelliffe (ricko@ee.uts.edu.au) wrote:
>> If you don't know what Catholics mean by transsubstantiation, why are
>> you arguing against it? 

>Gee, great explanation.  :-/  

Sorry for being abrupt.

>It appears (from the other thread) that you
>are saying that things have two properties.  However, as John Brownie says,
>if you don't hold to this Aristotlian(?) view then this doesn't make a lot
>of sense.  

John's post is very good. Of course if you don't believe in substance you can't
believe in trans-substantiation, in the same way as if you don't believe
in numbers you can't count.

>How many Catholics really understand it?  

No Catholics fully understand it. It is a mystery. The formulation of
transubstantiation is the best and most rigourous formulation for what happens,
that Jesus is somehow veiled under the appearance of bread and wine.

>I bet most of them
>think that when you say bread turns to Christ's body etc, that it really
>does change.  

I bet none do. It is clearly taught in catachism that it is not so. If any
does believe it, they are crazy, because it obviously doesn't change: it tastes
and looks like bread and wine still.

>Is the "accidents" supposed to be some sort of spiritual level
>of existence of things or what?  It's a foreign concept to anyone except those
>who read Aristotle, I'm afraid.

Its a concept whose reality is clearly known experientially by Catholics
over their lives in the Eucharist. Christ does present himself in this way,
and this experienced reality confirms his word. By your words he does not make
himself available and knowable in this way through Protestant communion 
or to unbelievers (I am not being snooty, I have tried both): if he did 
then Protestant theology would attempt some explaination. The concept
is utterly unimportant compared to its subject: I understand substance because
of Holy Communion just as much as the other way around.. 

To explain substance if you're interested though,
perhaps a mundane example will help. When a sperm fertalizes an ovum, 
two separate things become one new thing. This thing exists even despite
dramatic changes in form as it grows up, and despite perhaps complete
changes in material components. If this thing is a human, then its
body can die, and the thing will still exist (waiting for the resurrection)
in some way. So everything that is scientifically observable about this
human (including our DNA since after death we presumably don't have it)
are in some way separate to the human themself: that human began at conception.

The thing that is somehow the same is called substance, and everything else
is called accidents.L. sub = under, stare = stand, substance = that which stands
under. 

This is probably just as unsatisfactory an explaination as anything previous, 
but I can give references if you want.

-ricko
Newsgroups: aus.mail,aus.general
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: E-mail contacts for schools
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 05:22:51 GMT


[I am passing on this request. DO NOT reply to me.]

Aloha from Honolulu!  Do you know of any Australian schools equipped with
E-mail who would like to communicate with students in the U.S., Japan,
and other countries?  A school who might be interested in videophone
connections as well would be a plus. 

Sally Nhomi
Teleclass International
1103 9th Avenue, Honolulu, HI 96816
ph: (808) 733-2007  fax (808) 733-2011
Internet: JohnW@uhccvx.bitnet.edu

-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au
From: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: How to get to an X.400 address in Canada
Date: 15 Sep 92 15:36:54 GMT
Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation

One of our staff members needs to send mail to an X.400 address in Canada. 
Could somebody please supply the correct form of incantation ?  Thanks in
advance. 

> I have just been given the X.400 address of a Canadian company which I wish to
> communicate electronically (I'm not sure whether they're on the Internet, but
> I'm trying to find out).

> The X.400 address that I have been given is as follows
> 
> COUNTRY CODE: CA
>         ADMU: TELECOM.CANADA
>         DDAU: ID
>         DDAV: ICS.DSP
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Trevor Jackson

Regards,

John Bennett                                E-mail: bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au
Head, Networks Group                        Phone : +61 8 259 5292
Corporate Information Systems               FAX   : +61 8 259 5537
DEFENCE SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY ORGANISATION Postal: Bld 73 Labs Area
AUSTRALIA                                           PO Box 1500 Salisbury 
            "Lord Warden of the Sync Ports"         South Australia  5108
                (DSTO Network Manager)              AUSTRALIA
Newsgroups: aus.mail
From: pte900@jatz.aarnet.edu.au (Peter Elford)
Subject: Re: How to get to an X.400 address in Canada
Reply-To: P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au
Organization: AARNet
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 03:19:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.093654.164531@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>, bennett@dstos3.dsto.gov.au writes:
|> One of our staff members needs to send mail to an X.400 address in Canada. 
|> Could somebody please supply the correct form of incantation ?  Thanks in
|> advance. 
|> 
|> > I have just been given the X.400 address of a Canadian company which I wish to
|> > communicate electronically (I'm not sure whether they're on the Internet, but
|> > I'm trying to find out).
|> 
|> > The X.400 address that I have been given is as follows
|> > 
|> > COUNTRY CODE: CA
|> >         ADMU: TELECOM.CANADA
|> >         DDAU: ID
|> >         DDAV: ICS.DSP

From the Internet Mail Relay Guide (aarnet.edu.au:pub/doc/mail-gateways.txt)

#F internet
#T envoy
#R John Smith (ID=userid)
#C /C=CA/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/ID=ICS.TEST/S=TEST_GROUP/@nasamail.nasa.gov
#I send to '/C=CA/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/DD.ID=userid/PN=John_Smith/@Sprint.COM'

ie. try

/C=CA/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/DD.ID=ICS.DSP/@Sprint.COM

(or ask the #C entry for suggestions)

-- 
Peter Elford,                             e-mail: P.Elford@aarnet.edu.au
Network Co-ordinator                      phone: +61 6 249 3542
Australian Academic Research Network      fax:   +61 6 249 1369
c/o, Computer Services Centre             pager: +61 6 245 3035
Australian National University            post: GPO Box 1142     
Canberra, AUSTRALIA                             Canberra ACT 2601
From: djk@bby.com.au (David Keegel)
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: Re: priv.au namespace
Summary: Random "idents"? No, thanks.
Date: 4 Sep 92 08:47:49 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young Ltd., Melbourne, Australia

kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz) writes:

] In <1992Aug31.234012.17114@bby.com.au> djk@bby.com.au (David Keegel) writes:

] | mainly because of the fact that AARNet charges (directly or
] | indirectly) a right-to-use the network fee

] Which is totally irrelevant,

Not totally -- no-one (sane) is going to register a name for a machine
which is not connected, and in a large percentage of cases this means
paying some money (possibly indirectly) to/for AARNet.

] no-one has ever claimed that sites with names in AU have to be AARNet users

Of course not.

] A better question might be "Can you guarantee that there will never be
] more than a few hundred individual's systems registered for mail?"

How about "Do you want to put random meaningless strings into people's
e-mail addresses?"  Or kre's question with "individual" replaced by
"company".

If there was some logical "ident" which could be applied, then by all
means, use it.  But no one has found it yet, and I don't see the point
in using contorted e-mail addresses just because somebody can't guarantee
that the number of possible future nodes is less than N.

[ When I say "logical", what I am hoping for is that someone with an idea
of the local subsection of the namespace could make a guess at a site's
E-mail address, given Real World information.  For instance, I work at
a company called BBY, so bby.com.au is the logical domain for my work.
Someone who has seen e-mail from other Aus companies could guess that
postmaster@bby.com.au is worth e-mailling to about my address. ]

I consider using the state in priv.au to be a half-logical ident.  Is
this better or worse than random?  Good question.
-- 
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| David Keegel   <djk@bby.com.au>   Ph: +61 3 614-8922   Fax: +61 3 614-8742 |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: davidm@voltaire.Rational.COM (David Moore)
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: Australian Computer Society E-Mail address
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:38:05 GMT

Can somebody mail me an e-mail address for the Australian
Computer Society please.

Please use mail, as my site does not subscribe to this group.

Thanks in advance

Dave Moore
From: Mark.Purcell@pos.pub.uu.oz.au (Mark Purcell)
Reply-To: msp%pos.pub.uu.oz.au@tmx.mhs.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: Re: priv.au namespace (has the discussion ended?)
Date: 15 Sep 92 11:58:11 GMT
Organization: Me?  Organized?

sysnet@cc.newcastle.edu.au (David Morrison @ University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA) once wrote....
>
>I have to wonder what it is that the small sites actually value from an AARNet 
>connection?  Is it mail access?  Is it news?  Would they want a connection if 
>they could send and receive mail but not get news?  How much would they be 
>prepared to pay for a mail-only connection?
>
>Just stirring the pot :-)

This was one of the last posts I saw on this subject, but the discussion
didn't appear to have ended where it was at.  There are still a couple of
questions to be answered.  What are we going to call the private namespace?
Is a ident going to be used?  Do AARNet differentiate between email and news
usage?  Did the discussion shift into email?

I posted a reply to the request asking for the small site perspective
but have not heard a reply or comment on anything since.  Did get my post 
get out and/or did the discussion die in mid flight?

I'm confused.

Mark
----
Mark Purcell, 62/25 Market Street, SYDNEY NSW 2000.  (02) 283 5598
	Mark.Purcell@pos.pub.uu.oz.au, msp@kralizec.zeta.org.au
From: Mark.Purcell@pos.pub.uu.oz.au (Mark Purcell)
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: Re: priv.au namespace
Date: 5 Sep 92 08:52:03 GMT
Organization: Me?  Organized?

djk@bby.com.au (David Keegel @ Burdett, Buckeridge & Young Ltd., Melbourne, Australia) once wrote....
>
>[ When I say "logical", what I am hoping for is that someone with an idea
>of the local subsection of the namespace could make a guess at a site's
>E-mail address, given Real World information.  For instance, I work at
>a company called BBY, so bby.com.au is the logical domain for my work.
>Someone who has seen e-mail from other Aus companies could guess that
>postmaster@bby.com.au is worth e-mailling to about my address. ]

I do agree very strongly with what David is saying here.

If each machine looks like site.indent.priv.au,  then what do we really save
over registering machines as site.priv.au.  Isn't a seperate MX still required 
for each site?

The other subdomains of .au haven't been divided up like this.  Companies
are all thrown into the .com.au domain, organisations are all thrown
into the .org.au domain, so why do we need to treat .priv.au as a seperate
case?  I would suggest that we are likely to get more sub domains of the
.com.au domain than of the .priv.au domain, each needing a seperate MX as
will be the case in the .priv.au domain.  So why treat different sub domains
differently?

My thoughts on the subdomain I vote on the .gen.au proposal, and would like 
to lay claim to pos.gen.au, not that I can tell you how to route without 
using AARNet.  Actually yes I can, you can route mail to pos.gen.au via
Anonymous UUCP. :-)

Mark

----
Mark Purcell, 62/25 Market Street, SYDNEY NSW 2000.  (02) 283 5598
	Mark.Purcell@pos.pub.uu.oz.au, msp@kralizec.zeta.org.au
From: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley)
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: Re: priv.au namespace (was Re: mail to "brisnet.org.au" problem)
Date: 5 Sep 92 00:35:37 GMT
Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Sep3.103330.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> sysnet@cc.newcastle.edu.au (David Morrison) writes:

>I have to wonder what it is that the small sites actually value from an AARNet 
>connection?  Is it mail access?  Is it news?  Would they want a connection if 
>they could send and receive mail but not get news?  How much would they be 
>prepared to pay for a mail-only connection?

For me, I value news more than mail, because of the information I get from
it and the possibilities for contacting people on the other side of the world
who have similar interests.  I still have use for mail though.  Some people
may find a mail-only connection attractive if they wanted to communicate with
fellow researchers, friends, family, business partners, etc overseas or in
other parts of the country.

I can't give you exact costs for what people want, but maybe comparisons should
be made to other conventional services.  e.g. the telephone service, to compare
the cost of the (voice) information that can be sent in a 5 minute phone call
to somewhere overseas to the same information sent to the same destination via
the net.  Similarly for sending a 2 page letter via postal mail, compared with
the equivalent on the net.

Cheers,

Rhys.
--
Rhys Weatherley, University of Queensland, Australia.
rhys@cs.uq.oz.au  "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?"
Newsgroups: aus.films
From: dazz@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr D.K. Woodman)
Subject: Re: Patriot Games
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:25:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.193043.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> ccmk@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.035341.12286@bilby.cs.uwa.edu.au>, quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au (Quinn) writes:
>
>This has shit-all to do with films (although we could make it so by
>asking how many films have the SR-71 in it? - I can think of only
>one at the moment - whose title escapes me - the one with the robot
>boy that lives with a family for awhile but belongs to the U.S.
>government). 

The film was called D.A.R.Y.L. (now how did I know that :-)

dazz
From: briganti@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Joe Briganti)
Newsgroups: aus.films
Subject: Re: Eraserhead
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:21:10 GMT
Reply-To: j.briganti@trl.oz.au (Joe Briganti)
Followup-To: aus.films
Distribution: aus
Organization: Telecommunications Research Laboratories, Melbourne, Australia

In article <sjames.716218067@adam.adelaide.edu.au> sjames@adam.adelaide.edu.au (S James) writes:
>derbyc@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Derby Chang) writes:
>>Hi all,
>
>>Saw the David Lynch doco last night on SBS.
>
>>Does anyone know if you can get `Eraserhead' on video?  I've only ever seen
>clips, and now I'm really curious.
>
>It will be interesting to see if someone turns it up in aus.

I saw "Eraserhead" many years ago at the Valhalla (Melbourne). Friends later
bought a copy at one of the specialty import shops (maybe Gaumont or
Minataur (again in Melbourne?)). I doubt you could rent it but you could 
probably buy it if you ask at the right place.

--
Joe Briganti ( j.briganti@trl.oz.au )
Hey, Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat - Bullwinkle Moose
Newsgroups: cornell.test,aus.films,alt.non.sequitur,alt.cascade
From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: not a test
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:33:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.134314.1828@mail.cornell.edu> Kazys_Varnelis@cornell.edu writes:
>green zebras
Mean weembas (ouch...)

mdw

-- 
Matt Welsh    mdw@tc.cornell.edu        +1 607 253 2737
Systems Programmer, Cornell Theory Center
  "I'll eat anything that's BRIGHT BLUE!!"
From: ccmk@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.films
Subject: Re: Patriot Games
Date: 7 Sep 92 09:30:43 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

In article <1992Sep7.035341.12286@bilby.cs.uwa.edu.au>, quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au (Quinn) writes:
> When someone (more politely) criticised my altitude estimate of the
> SR-71 I looked it up to try and score a point or two in the great Usenet
> Ego Wank Competion.  My critic's suggestion was to add 30,000 feet to my
> extremely-conservative-off-the-top-of-my-head-without-references-at-hand
> estimate resulting in an altitude of 60,000 to 80,000.  My technical
> references gave roughly the same figure so I let it rest.  I suggest
> that you either a) do the same or b) come up with some facts to back up
> your wild claims that it's "more like 100,000 to 120,000".

This has shit-all to do with films (although we could make it so by
asking how many films have the SR-71 in it? - I can think of only
one at the moment - whose title escapes me - the one with the robot
boy that lives with a family for awhile but belongs to the U.S.
government).  Nevertheless, here are some facts, from the 1967 edition
of the Observer's Book of Aircraft (no metrics!):

Power Plants: Two Pratt & Whitney J58 turbojets rated at 34,000 ib.s.t
	with afterburner.
Weights: Loaded, 140,000-145,000 lb.
Accomodation: Pilot and reconnaissance systems officer
Production: First flown December 22, 1964.  Production continued past 1967.
	In service with the USAF Strategic Air Command's 9th Strategic
	reconnaissance wing from January 1966.
Dimensions: Span: 55' 7.25"; length 107' 4.75"; height 18' 6".
Performance: Short-period max speed, 2,300 mph at 80,000' (Mach 3.5);
	max. sustained cruising speed 1,980 mph (Mach 3.0); endurance
	(at continuous Mach 3.0) 1.5 hr; approx. range at 70,000'-90,000',
	3,000 mls.

No mention of max. altitude, but I have read on the order of 100,000'.

Hope this helps the discussion,
Mark Kosten
(ccmk@latrbo.edu.au)
Newsgroups: aus.films
From: davidl@syacus.acus.oz.au (David Letcher)
Subject: Request for Sci-fi/Action videos
Summary: I need a list of sci-fi/action videos
Keywords: action sci-fi
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:26:57 GMT

Sorry if there are lists published here already but, I wouldw
greatly appreciate a list of videos in the Sci-Fi/Action arena.
Below is list of those a friend and I have seen already;

	Predator	1 & 2
	Terminator	1 & 2
	Totall Recall
	Alien/Aliens

I am considering Highlander next.


Thanks in advance.
Newsgroups: aus.films
From: derbyc@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Derby Chang)
Subject: Eraserhead
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:45:36 GMT

Hi all,

Saw the David Lynch doco last night on SBS.

Does anyone know if you can get `Eraserhead' on video?  I've only ever seen
clips, and now I'm really curious.

(Is it just me or have the aus groups been really quiet lately?)

Derby.
Newsgroups: aus.films
From: Quinn <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Patriot Games
X-Xxdate: Mon, 7 Sep 92 03: 40:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:53:41 GMT

Nicholas Daniel Boyle, u9245340@cs.uow.edu.au writes:
>quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au (Quinn) writes:
>
>>Remember that the SR-71 Blackbird reconnaisance planes (which could
>>reportedly photograph golf balls from their cruising altitude
>>of somewhere between 30,000 and 50,000 feet) were taken out of
>>service because a) they were expensive and b) the satellites could do
>>just as good a job.
>
>bullshit... the SR-71 Blackbird's crusing altitude is more like 100,000
to
>120,000 feet because anyone can shoot down a plane at 30,000 feet that is
>NORMAL crusing altitude for a jumbo.... SR-71's can only achieve the
speeds
>they do because there is no wind resistance that far up.... thus the 
>resolution of the photos would have to pretty good for anyone to see
anything.

When someone (more politely) criticised my altitude estimate of the
SR-71 I looked it up to try and score a point or two in the great Usenet
Ego Wank Competion.  My critic's suggestion was to add 30,000 feet to my
extremely-conservative-off-the-top-of-my-head-without-references-at-hand
estimate resulting in an altitude of 60,000 to 80,000.  My technical
references gave roughly the same figure so I let it rest.  I suggest
that you either a) do the same or b) come up with some facts to back up
your wild claims that it's "more like 100,000 to 120,000".

Quinn "The Eskimo!"      <quinn@cs.uwa.edu.au>     "Support HAVOC!"
Department of Computer Science, The University of Western Australia
  -- Picky, picky, picky.
Newsgroups: aus.films
From: jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Jason Haines)
Subject: Re: Patriot Games
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 12:48:33 GMT

From article <1992Sep7.193043.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au>, by ccmk@lure.latrobe.edu.au:
> This has shit-all to do with films (although we could make it so by
> asking how many films have the SR-71 in it? - I can think of only
> one at the moment - whose title escapes me - the one with the robot
> boy that lives with a family for awhile but belongs to the U.S.
> government).  Nevertheless, here are some facts, from the 1967 edition
> of the Observer's Book of Aircraft (no metrics!):

The movie you mention is DARYL, which did not have an SR-71 appear in it.

Jason Haines
jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU


-- 
Jason Haines - System Operator, MacInTouch BBS (02) 743-5997 (TeleFinder)
jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU
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From: cameron@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Cameron Simpson)
Newsgroups: aus.films,soc.singles,soc.couples
Subject: Re: Film suggestions welcomed
Keywords: Guy wants suggestion on film
Date: 12 Sep 92 09:45:13 GMT
Reply-To: cameron@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Cameron Simpson)
Distribution: aus
Organization: CS&E Computing Facility, Uni Of NSW, Oz

dazz@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr D.K. Woodman) writes:
| "Housesitter" is good. Funny lines and a silly plot.

Well, mediocre.

| Another screamer is "Aunt Julia and the Scriptwriter" at the Kino in the city.

Second this. Very very very very very funny.

"Casablanca" is getting a showing in Sydney. A must see if you haven't seen it
before (which I hadn't until last night).
	- Cameron Simpson
From: ccmk@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.films
Subject: Re: Eraserhead
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:24:49 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

In article <1992Sep10.014536.13086@tplrd.tpl.oz.au>, derbyc@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Derby Chang) writes:
> Saw the David Lynch doco last night on SBS.
> 
> Does anyone know if you can get `Eraserhead' on video?  I've only ever seen
> clips, and now I'm really curious.

ERASERHEAD is definitely available on video.  Hunt around for it.

Without doubt the most bizarre film I have ever seen.  And I have seen
some bizarre films...

Mark Kosten
(ccmk@latrobe.edu.au)
Newsgroups: aus.films