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From: jfraser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jane Fraser)
Subject: CAST Roundtables for Autumn Quarter
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:38:35 GMT

This posting announces the first and second Roundtables and asks for
your suggestions for speakers at other Roundtables.

*** First Roundtable:

Topic: Policy Research in a Rapidly Changing Technological and 
   Market Environment
Speakers: Harry Trebing, Professor Emeritus, Michigan State University  
   and Bill Melody, Director of the Centre for International Research
   on Communication and Information Technologies, Melbouren, Australia
Date: Wednesday, September 23 (the first day of classes)
Time: 4-6 PM
Place: Room 115, The Ohio Legal Center, 33 West 11th Avenue.
Parking: Ohio Union Garage, just north of the Ohio Union on N. High St.  
   Walk south on High St., turn right on 11th.  The Ohio Legal Center 
   is one block west on your left.

*** Second Roundtable:

Topic: To be announced
Speaker: John Dimmick, Professor, OSU Department of Communication
Time: 4:30-6 PM
Place and parking: As above

*** Suggestions solicited

We'd like to have a variety of speakers on telecom technology, policy,
and markets.  We have moved the time and location to attract more
off-campus attendees, we hope.  We are also working on arrangements
for after-Roundtable no-host dinner in walking distance.

Here are some of the ideas I am working on, but I'd like your
suggestions for speakers for this quarter and throughout the year.

I would like to have someone speak on Internet/NREN, preferably
someone who can address basics (What is Internet?) through advanced
(How is NREN doing? What is the Gore bill?).  Any suggestions?  Any
volunteers?

Can someone do an overview on multimedia applications?  Or is anyone
doing some neat stuff in that area that they would like to talk about?

How about PCNs?  wireless data communication?  

Are there particular companies you'd like to hear from?  Are there
companies who would like to volunteer to tell us what they're up to?

Other topics? Speakers?


Newsgroups: oh.cast
From: mconners@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael R Conners)
Subject: Re: What do we think info-port should be?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: oh
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:34:23 GMT


     How about being able to cut down on the time for goods to clear customs
by being a clearinghouse for all import/export forms and paperwork?

     In order to best facilitate this, are there any hardware upgrades (i.e.
ISDN & *more* fiber optics) that should be put into place?

     My 2 cents...
-- 
:  Michael R. Conners              : "Giving money and power to Congress is  :
:  THE Ohio State University       :  like giving liquor and the keys to the :
:  College of Business             :  car to teenage boys." - P.J. O'Rourke  :
From: emru@CAM.ORG
Newsgroups: can.english
Subject: Re: CANADA 'BUYS' AMERICAN-INFLUENCED ENGLISH
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:06:46 GMT
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

In article <1992Aug20.204707.2728@pandora.matrox.com> thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood) writes:
>Does no one find it degrading that our new constitution is being
>called a "deal", that journalists say Bourassa will have to "sell"
>it in Quebec, in the hopes that they will "buy" it?

Not at all.  It _was_ a deal, and everyone negotiated for whatever they could
get for their province; and "selling" and "buying" have been synonyms for
"convincing" and "being convinced" for longer than "Dallas" has ever been
around.  Relax.

>Would I be close to the mark if I concluded that Canada's
>high-and-mighty have watched too many episodes of "Dallas"?

There are other things to worry about.

==========================================================================
Emru Townsend        Fido: 1:167/133        emru@cam.org        BIX:switch
Q:  Do you know what the death rate around here is?    A:  One per person.
Newsgroups: can.uucp
From: alvin@eyepoint.com (Alvin Starr)
Subject: Re: UUCP Connection wanted.
Organization: eyepoint
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:41:43 GMT

gen0007@husky1.stmarys.ca (Jeff Pazahanick) writes:

>I would like to get a UUCP connection for my BBS.  How do I go about doing
>that?

as far as I know there are 3 ways to get a uucp connection
1) hit up on a friend with a connection
2) get one through a local university or where you work
3) pay for one of service providers

The problems with 1 and 2 are that since you are probibly getting the 
service for free there is verry little that you can demand in the way 
of service. Also as you are getting set up you may burn out your welcome
in questions and problems.

As for 3 there are 2(that I know of(we use both)) uucp connection providers
in the Toronto area. Both have there advantages and disadvantages but we
have found both to be willing to help with any connection problems that we
have had.

They are UUNET Canada(info@uunet.ca) 416 368-6621 or UUNORTH(info@uunorth.uucp)
416 255-8649


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Alvin Starr                   ||   voice: (416)513-6717
Eyepoint Inc.                 ||   fax:   (416)513-6718
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Newsgroups: can.uucp
From: kenb@ee.ubc.ca (Ken Buckland)
Subject: UUCP Access in Penticton
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 02:43:05 GMT

Does anyone know how I can get UUCP access in Penticton - preferably
without any long distance calls?

Ken Buckland
kenb@ee.ubc.ca

Newsgroups: can.uucp,ont.uucp,can.usrgroup
From: georgn@noweh.com (Georg S. Nikodym)
Subject: caly has been cut off
Followup-To: ont.uucp
Keywords: caly noweh
Organization: Noweh Software
Distribution: can
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:26:55 GMT

Due to FTP-mail abuse, I have severed the noweh-caly UUCP connection.

I apologize for any inconvenience, but mine's worse.

-- 
Georg S. Nikodym  -  (416) 272-5198 / 720-4729
Noweh Software - Mississauga, Ontario, CANADA
UUCP:	{comspec.com, lsuc.on.ca, uunet.ca}!noweh!georgn
RFC822:	georgn@noweh.COM
Newsgroups: can.general
From: sbuckley@fraser.sfu.ca (Stephen Buckley)
Subject: zundel
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 05:03:43 GMT

  well i just saw knowlton nash.  on the national tonight, i saw that
the supreme court has freed ernst zundel.  it seems it's a higher good
to be able to say anything anyone wants regardless of its repurcussions.
free speech is the greater moral than truth.  i'm pretty shocked.
if anybody thinks this is a good ruling, can you please tell me why?

---                          
     Stephen Buckley        
     sbuckley@sfu.ca       
   TrueNorthStrong&Free   
      1-800-REALITY      
Xref: sparky can.general:4162 soc.culture.canada:6103
From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: can.general,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Tragedy at concordia and a net-proposal to prevent furthur incidents
Date: 26 Aug 92 12:44:04 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <Te92PB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>
>Hello.  Unbelievable!! What is Montreal's Academic community coming to.  First
>Polytechnique, now Concordia.  What is happening?

YOu should not made the comparison with Polytechnique (a case of sexual 
frustration), but with that at Dupont Co. about 1971 (a case of professional
frustration).

>I would like to propose can.relations.problems.  Let's stop hiding the
>problems we are having.  I could end up being sick if something similar occurs
>again.  Let's speak about our problems.  Let's discuss them: personal,
>relational, professional.  We don't need anymore unneccesary harassment,
>hassle, et al.  Let's speak about it, address it , discusss it before it to
>late.
>
>Again, I would propse a newsgroup called can.relations.problems to help
>opening and festering wounds.

This is probably a temporary trend.
For further reading, you should read the papers of Fabrikant as found
in sci.research.careers.  

The only thing that would have prevented the Concordia events is a
equitable system for granting research funds and a mean of demonstrating
the existence of parasite in the scientific communauty.  Actually,
it seems the system counts any paper with your name as an author, even
if you just "asked someone to find a solution", "find the grant to have
someone working on the problem", "just re-read the paper (some do that)", etc.
Perhaps, creating a new category (scientific managers) so that someone
performing no scientific work but who could do some effective management
could still distribute grants, but without having any rights about 
intellectual property.

>
>Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
>userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
>God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
>cowboy (n): A 20th Century extension of  the neanderthal caveman.


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Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau)
Subject: Re: Election sun rising
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:43:48 GMT

In article <ph3.715371697@unixg.ubc.ca> ph3@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Hamilton (phys 306)) writes:
>In <wHH9PB4w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>
>>There may not be a referendum as Mulroney's mandate is almost up.  I believe an
>>election is near, and that the PM would use the constitutional issue to get us
>>sidetracked.  What do you think?
>
>I do not think he would dare risk the loss of a Good Deal(TM) on an election
>when he is so unpopular. It's like Mr. Rae has suggested, in a referendum
>people can vote yes to the deal, even thought it's obvious that (Name Here)'s
>politics stink.

On the other hand, Mulroney does want to get re-elected; if that means
piggy-backing on the constitutional deal, I wouldn't put it past him.
It would show him to be totally morally bankrupt, but would that
surprise anyone?

Still, I suspect his best electoral move is to try for a resounding
vote in the referendum, then call an election while this deal is
still fresh in people's minds as a Real Success (TM).

The Rhealist - Rheal Nadeau - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
Newsgroups: can.general,misc.consumers
From: dtschett@scott.skidmore.edu (donna tschetter)
Subject: Re: Pyramidal mail-order scam
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:22:11 GMT

I found that when I was deluged with over fifty pieces of mail (some
duplicate scams) that someone was selling my name to one of the list
providers.  I guess the idea isn't bad, but the fact that mail and
shipping places sell customers' names to these outfits that makes me
mad.

Since my name is unusual--I easily tracked down the misspelling that
all the mail was addressed to, to the shipping center that had given me
a receipt with the mispelled name.

I haven't taken any action - the mail is ongoing and once it stops, I
will tally up the pieces and dump them onto the counter of the
establishment that sold my name without permission and see how they
will compensate me.

Donna
Newsgroups: can.general
From: labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach)
Subject: Re: Zundel
Originator: labach@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:55:32 GMT
	<LABACH.92Aug28085017@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>
	<skenny.715018264@femto.engr.mun.ca>
Organization: The Bobby Jurasin Fan Club

In article <skenny.715018264@femto.engr.mun.ca> skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny) writes:

> In reference to the original posting, I didn't catch the story on the
> National but from memory Zundel wasn't charged under Canada's "hate law"
> but something else. The judge noted this in the concluding statement.
> Wasn't this the difference between the Kiegstra case and Zundel's?
> Anybody out there with some info on this???... to prevent a foot-in-mouth
> epidemic?

He was charged with spreading "false news".  In essence, lying.  I can
think of some circumstances where lying should be against the law, but
this isn't one of them.

- terry -
======================================================================
	       Don't arrest Ernst Zundel - laugh at him!
Xref: sparky can.general:4251 can.politics:6384 soc.culture.canada:6239
From: thood@corvus.matrox.com (Thomas Hood)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Election sun rising
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:02:13 GMT
Organization: Matrox Ltd.

myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:

>My prediction: Liberal and NDP coalition government, Chretian as PM,
>Conservatives win 3/4 of Quebec seats, NDP vastly increase their seats
>in central and mid-western Canada (except in B.C.), Liberals grab most
>of Atlantic Canada (but too few seats to matter), Lucien Bouchard
>rejoins Conservative party prior to election.
>Michael MY Hui          myhui@bnr.ca           Ottawa Canada

My wild guess:  Conservative and Reform coalition government.  Mulroney
as P.M.  Conservatives win all of Quebec seats.  Liberals win 1/2 of
Ontario seats, the rest Reform and Conservative.  Liberal Atlantic. Reform
and N.D.P big in the west, in that order.  Lucien Bouchard becomes head
of P.Q. after referendum and Parizeau's resignation.

--
Thomas Hood                                                    thood@matrox.com
Montreal
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
From: darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Subject: Re: Tragedy at concordia and a net-proposal to prevent furthur incidents
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 22:25:12 GMT
Organization: D'Arcy Cain Consulting

merce@xenitec.on.ca (Jim Mercer) writes:
>if alcohol was as closely controlled as guns, many more lives would be saved,
>not to mention the social costs that would be saved.
>
>the same could be said for cars.

And cigarettes.

And computers.

And fatty foods.

And rap music.

And people.

-- 
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D'Arcy Cain Consulting              |   There's no government
Toronto, Ontario, Canada            |   like no government!
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Newsgroups: can.general
From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Subject: It has to go in somebody's back yard.
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:34:31 GMT

 There are some more news stories today on NIMBY (not in my
 back yard) themes today: notably one involving yet another
 interior B.C. community being asked whether they will please
 be the site for incinerating some Vancouver garbage of nasty
 composition, but that specific doesn't matter, I'm sure any
 of you have some suburb not wanting a group home or a community
 not wanting nearby gas well drilling or something.
 
 The general principle involved is that there are some things
 which you can almost guarantee no town or neighborhood as a whole
 will volunteer to accept.  Pulic-spritedness, i.e. recognition
 that _somebody's_ back yard will have to contain whatever it is,
 and that the world is pretty much totally divided into back
 yards, is an argument you might as well not bother making.
 
 So why do we insist on a system of asking for volunteers?  Why
 not have a mechanism (on the federal level, since provincial
 governments think of their individual provinces as back yards too)
 for _assigning_ locations for things nobody wants?
From: robert@isgtec.com (Robert Osborne)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: What are the most dangerous (legal) things to do in traffic?
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:28:04 GMT

buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland) writes:
>  [...]  I was in the leftmost lane and wanted to move one
>  lane right.  Somebody was just level with me two lanes to the right.
>  I signalled and moved over; but if the other driver had moved left
>  at the same time, we would have sideswiped one another.  Every time
>  I have to make that move, I do it with my heart in my mouth.

I hate that feeling :-)
I get into this position almost everyday (thanks to the great jobs the
road designers have done with the 401/427 intersection) in and there
just seems to be no way to guarantee the other guy isn't going to come
into middle lane just as you do.  Especially since half the people out
there don't use signals.

Rob.
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Newsgroups: can.general
From: dave@imax.imax.com (Dave Martindale)
Subject: Re: benefits of driving above the speed limit
Organization: Imax Corporation, Mississauga Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:59:50 GMT

Richard Loken quotes one of my articles, and says:

>Where does the slowpoke go in the no speed limit scenereo?  The present 
>system does not allow you to bar slow drivers and vehicles but the system
>you propose will provide them with heavily travelled roads full of people
>cruising at 140 kph, in that scenereo the slow driver will be unable to
>cope and be a hazard.

Someone quoted a study that demonstrated that trying to drive faster
than the speed limit got a driver to their destination only a few
percent faster than someone driving the speed limit.  I was simply
pointing out that this clearly didn't apply to the highway driving
situation in Ontario that most of us were talking about.

Nowhere did my article say that there should be no speed limit, or that
there should be one.  Please don't put words in my mouth.

As to what I *do* think about slow drivers:  I think that slow vehicles
do have a place on the road.  That place is the right-most lane.  If
such drivers can drive competently, other traffic can flow around them
fairly well.  This is true whether there is or is not a maximum speed
limit.  I do think there should be a minimum speed, perhaps 80 km/hr on
the highways where the posted maximum is currently 100 km/hr.

On the other hand, drivers who can't handle driving in the right-hand
lane because of all the merging and exiting traffic simply don't belong
on a multi-lane highway.  Period.

	Dave
Xref: sparky can.general:4264 can.politics:6395 soc.culture.canada:6252
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Election sun rising
From: Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:02:56 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Sep2.010009.12978@csi.uottawa.ca> cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne) writes:
> 
> Mr. Mulroney is the leader of the PC party.  He is morally obligated to do
> his best to keep the party in power.  It would be morally bankrupt for him
> to throw away all benefit that might have been received for the timing of
> a constitutional deal.

Mulroney may wish to keep the Tories in power, But I, for one, would be loath
to elevate this to the level of a "moral obbligation". 
 
Dictionary check!
 
Steve
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Newsgroups: can.general
From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis)
Subject: Re: Zundel
Originator: clewis@bcarh1d7
Organization: ?
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:29:26 GMT

In article <LABACH.92Sep2152232@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> labach@acs.ucalgary.ca (Terence Michael Labach) writes:
|In article <1992Sep2.193043.692@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> clewis@bcarh1d7.bnr.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:

|   >I'll just add, in case you think that laws against lying cannot be
|   >abused, that the law was (I'm fairly sure) written to protect the
|   >monarchs from damaging rumours. While this may be a "nice" thing
|   >to do, I think only Dave Yadallee would support a law like that.

|   'Fraid not.  Neither of these laws are very old.  15 years at most.
|   And neither of them have ever been used before.  Neither of them would
|   be applicable to monarchs anyways.  (Do you consider the Queen to
|   be an "identifiable group"?)

|Could you give your source for the age of the false news law being 15
|years?

It was in a newspaper article back when Zundel was originally charged.  Or
shortly thereafter.  Sorry I can't be more specific than that.  Someone with
access to the law databases should be able to find out exact dates, and whether
anybody else has ever been charged with them before.

It's hard to imagine how they could really be used to "protect the propertied
class", other than to prevent speech that incites violent acts against them.
Simple "damaging rumours" wouldn't be enough.  I can't see, for instance, how
the laws we have could be applied to the current rumours about Charles/Diana
or Fergie.  At worst, it merely incites disgust.

|   Hell, if they were invented to "protect the monarch", doncha think Britain
|   would have similar laws?   It's obvious that they don't.

|One of the news reports I heard on this (CBC radio - I can't recall if
|it was As It Happens or the World at Six) quoted one of the justices as
|stating that Britain had repealed the equivalent to this law some
|years ago, but that it had had its genesis in trying to protect (as
|usual) the propertied classes.

I heard (CBC radio too) that the main reason why we're seeing more
scandal-mongering now is that the Royal family has been trying to appear
more "ordinary family" as it were, and were generally more open to the
press.  And the current alleged "misbehaviour" seems rather contrary
to a "ordinary family" image.
Newsgroups: can.general
From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Subject: Re: What are the most dangerous (legal) things to do in traffic?
Organization: University of B.C. Computing Services
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:56:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.085848.8902@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
>> buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland) writes:
>>>  [...]  I was in the leftmost lane and wanted to move one
>>>  lane right.  Somebody was just level with me two lanes to the right.
>>>  I signalled and moved over; but if the other driver had moved left
>>>  at the same time ...
>  Since left lane traffic is normally (supposed to be) travelling
>  faster - right lane should give way.
>  Problem is: some people don't look where they are going!

 I have the feeling the passing-lane war is trying to rise from the
 dead.  Note from my original posting that I was on a multi-lane
 bridge in the middle of the city.  All the lanes are usually busy;
 there is a 60-km/h limit (no reason to expect non-Vancouverites to
 know that); so people are hardly ever in any particular lane because
 of the speed they want to drive at, they're there because of which
 ramp they used to get on the bridge and/or which one they want to
 leave by, and there are a total of 11 of them counting driving
 straight ahead (no more popular than any of the alternatives).
Newsgroups: can.general
From: achan@hannah.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: re: Looking for UofT's number...
Reply-To: achan@hannah.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:07:38 GMT


Hi,

Never mind.  I've got it from somewhere else.  Just in case someone else
need it, the numbers are :

416-978-3384 for St. George Campus and
416-287-7537 for Scaborough Campus.

Thanks.

-Aston
Newsgroups: can.general
From: skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny)
Subject: Re: Zundel
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:11:04 GMT

In reference to the original posting, I didn't catch the story on the
National but from memory Zundel wasn't charged under Canada's "hate law"
but something else. The judge noted this in the concluding statement.
Wasn't this the difference between the Kiegstra case and Zundel's?
Anybody out there with some info on this???... to prevent a foot-in-mouth
epidemic?

--
=================================
skenny@pico.engr.mun.ca
St. John's, NF, CANADA
"Have a touton or do without'n !"
Newsgroups: can.general