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From: lari@saadi.berkeley.edu (Francesco Lari)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: EISA/MCA *or* Local Bus? Which is better for multitasking?
Date: 18 Dec 1992 23:14:29 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Signal Processing VLSI Group
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lari@robotics.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: saadi.berkeley.edu


In article <1gtc6nINNafg@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU>, hilmera@storm.CS.ORST.EDU
(Andrew Hilmer) writes:
|> 
|> I was having my monthly drool on the Computer Shopper and I saw an ad for
|> Local Bus EISA systems.  No joke.  Microlink, page 401 in the December
|> issue has their "ELB" systems in 50 and 33 Mhz flavors for $2248 and
|> $2048.  I realize that this isn't VESA compliant.  I'm curious, however, 
|> about whether it would be possible to graft VL and EISA.  From what I
|> understand about VL-ISA under OS/2, the usage of memory over 16MB cannot
|> be handled well because of the 24 bit DMA.  If there was a way to make
|> the VL standard work with EISA, I think that a considerable potential
|> advantage could be had in the next few years.
|> 
|> I know that the VL standard is not the optimum standard, but I think that
|> because of its future market base, it will be difficult for better systems
|> based on PCI or maybe a PC variant of Quickring to get a toehold.  If VL
|> can have its weaknesses limited by a marriage with EISA, it might have a
|> chance to avoid being cursed and villified in the future when >16MB systems
|> become common.

I know that the VESA Local Bus got an ISA interface for doing DMA, but I think 
this doesn't influence the kind of I/O bus that is build into the system. 
Is it possible to get a VESA Local Bus and an EISA/MCA I/O bus? I would 
think so, but maybe there is something I can't quite see that is preventing 
this to happen. 

			   FRANCESCO 

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: patrice@cenparmi.concordia.ca (SCATTOLIN patrice)
Subject: QuattroPro Windows replaces some WINOS2 dll
Organization: CENPARMI, Concordia University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:39:55 GMT


When I installed Quattor Pro for windows it decided to replace some
dll's. Now it mentions this during the install process and I would 
not be worried if I was using the actual Windows. But did this
replacement does any dammage to my WINOS2 set up? The files are the following:

	BWCC.DLL
	ODAPI.DLL
	LD.DLL
	ODAPIQ.DLL
	OLESUR.DLL
	OLECLI.DLL

thanks for any information

Patrice

-- 
Patrice Scattolin
					patrice@cs.concordia.ca
Concordia University			Montreal, Canada
"I am so far north that Santa lives two blocks from me"
From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Gravis Ultra Sound card - Anyone???
Date: 11 Dec 1992 20:00:29 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.civil.ubc.ca
Keywords: sound card


There are those who have gotten it work work under OS/2 DOS box. The
trick is to find the right combination of IRQs and address such that
there is absolutely no conflicts. In DOS, you can get away from cheating
such as using IRQ 7 which is really for printers but nobody uses it so
it is ok... under REAL DOS. For me, I have too many things in my
computer (com2, bus mouse, tape backup....etc) such that I have to use
these "cheating" methods to get around the limitations so I can't get it
to work. But if you have a scaled down computer system without all the
works, you might be able to find the right combo of IRQs to make it
work under OS/2. Remember, you can't cheat as if you're in DOS.

As for the OS/2 driver, they will get around to it (Gravis that is) but
it's not on the top of their list. So as I always tell others, everyone
should write Gravis and tell them that OS/2 is for real. Sound Blaster
already have an OS/2 driver and PAS OS/2 driver is coming (or is it here
already). So they should get their going. So for all with email access,
you should write to...

71333.350@compuserve.com  - for Alan, the tech guy

AND

yuzik@sfu.ca  - for Chris, the sales guy


Let them know OS/2 is for real, and other soundcards already have OS/2
drivers or have it coming real soon.

Thomas.



Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: fontenot@ravl.rice.edu (Dwayne Jacques Fontenot)
Subject: Re: EISA/MCA *or* Local Bus? Which is better for multitasking?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:53:56 GMT

In article<1992Dec17.231538.29868@blkbox> rbarnett@blkbox (Rick Barnett)writes:
>goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes:
>>Hello.
>>I am curious as to which is better for OS/2, EISA/MCA or VL-Bus.(Vesa Local Bus)
>>Here is my setup:
>>single user on a stand alone pc.
>>that's pretty much it.
>>I will be running lotsa programs..games, word processors, Pascal, Mathcad,
>>whatever else.
>>Anyways, I would like to know which would offer better performance.
>
>EISA is 32 bits wide with bus mastering but only runs at 8 MHz.  Video and
>hard disk controller cards are few and expensive.
>VESA is 32 bits wide with bus mastering and runs at CPU speed (up to 50 MHz).
>A fair number of manufacturers have announced or already produce VL-Bus cards,
>and the prices aren't much higher than the ISA versions of the same cards.
>
>>Also, does it even matter?  (ie-if EISA/MCA is much better, will it matter?
>>will I ever make full use of Local Bus, or vice versa?)
>>I plan on having a scsi-2 hard drive and a scsi cd rom.
>
>I have seen specs on two VL-Bus SCSI controllers, with data transfer rates
>up to 66 MBytes per second - since SCSI-2 maximum is 10 MB/sec, you can hang
>a few drives on it without saturating the I/O channel.

This all makes it look like VLB is better than EISA in every way. That is just
not true. The relevant difference here is bus arbitration. EISA has it; VLB
does not. The original poster was asking about multitasking, for which bus
arbitration may make a difference (I would like to hear more about this).

I would say that VLB is good (cheap and fast) for video and disk on a
single-tasking system, but that EISA is better for multitasking.

>Hope this helps...
>-- 
>Blair R. Barnett       u5c95@lfhp113.hso.link.com
>Sr. Systems Engineer   522-0045@mcimail.com	
>CAE-Link Corporation   rbarnett@sugar.NeoSoft.com OR sugar!rbarnett@uu.psi.com
>Houston TX             Visit Space Center Houston! Land the Space Shuttle!

Dwayne Fontenot (fontenot@ravl.rice.edu)
From: rob@cad4.lbl.gov (Robert J. McNamara)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: comp.os.os2.misc
Date: 18 Dec 1992 01:07:41 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Reply-To: rob@cad4.lbl.gov (Robert J. McNamara)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.252.177

In article <1992Dec17.125515.14699@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> khmak@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
->I've been seeing people talking about Linux. Can anyone tell me where I can 
->get a copy of it ?

Try tsx-11.mit.edu.
Also, read the comp.os.linux newsgroup.

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From: seanm@utopia.rutgers.edu (Andy Beiderman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Creative Labs CD-Rom in a DOS session?
Date: 12 Dec 92 04:19:36 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University

Has anyone got this to work.
I followed the directions and installed it.
But it did not work.

It comes to the os2 screen.  (the funky graphic one with the circles).
It then puts the message about the driver (just that it is executing
it
not an error message.)
It then freezes.  And nothing happens.  

I would assume the cd drive should whir (like in dos when booted).
but this doesn't happen either.

So now i have a driver that doesn't work.

If anyone has got it to work please do tell.

SEAN MARRINAN (seanm@remus.rutgers.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rgammon@pan1  (Robert Gammon)
Subject: Disk Full (WAS  OS/2 2.1?)
Nntp-Software: PC/TCP NNTP
Organization: Texas Instruments Materials and Controls Group
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:55:36 GMT

In article <c01RVB2w165w@tcscs.UUCP> tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood) writes:

 >> Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
 >> 
 >> > In article <62740@mimsy.umd.edu> pr@umiacs.umd.edu (Jesus M. Rodriguez) write
 >> > > 
 >> > > I am going to post a very stupid question but I have been reading a lot abo
 >> > > OS/2 2.1.  Is OS/2 2.1 going to be another upgrade?  Will it be shrink wrap
 >> > > I am assuming that IBM hasn't changed their policy of FREE upgrades :-)
 >> > 
 >> > It will be a shrinkwrap update from what I hear. It may also involve an
 >> > upgrade charge from WinOS/2 3.0 to WinOS/2 3.1 - at Microsoft's insistence.
 >> > 
 >> > IBM can't give stuff away forever. They have been putting a lot into OS/2
 >> > development and as a happy - and much impressed - OS/2 user I don't mind
 >> > putting something back in to ensure a top-class effort in the future.
 >> >  
 >> I agree to a point.  The problem is that even after the wide beta testing that
 >> IBM did with OS/2 to get it to 2.0, 2.0 left a lot of bugs to work around.  In
 >> some aspects I feel as if I got a late release beta version with 2.0 (I said in
 >> SOME aspects).  For the most part I am very happy with OS/2.  There are times
 >> however when I'm ready to chunk it until it gets more stable.  Some of the
 >> biggest problems is harddrive space.  OS/2 runs in its own partition of 42
 >> megs.  I have maybe 1.5 megs of fonts on C as well.  Yet even with this I have
 >> to be EXTRA cautious that my Swapper file doesnt grow too large.  I had to
 >> totally reinstall my entire system and reformat my hard drive (when I had it
 >> all on one partition so I lost everthing!) because swapper ran out of space
 >> and the whole system came down hard.  I can't print more than a few pages of
 >> W4W because I dont have the room on the hard drive for it.   I can't open a
 >> Windows session and a DOS session without running down to 1.8 megs on the
 >> swap drive (normally 4196k swapper.dat, 6460k free on drive).  And if I print
 >> and then swapper grows again, the system dies.
[stuff deleted]

I was present in an office this week when the user got the drive full, no swap
space available message.  It did NOT kill the system, we did NOT have to 
re-boot, we did NOT have to re-install, we did NOT have to re-format.  We
switched to an open window,  deleted/saved off some old files, and continued
working.  Perhaps you should relocate SWAPPER.DAT to another partition that
has more room.  Also, relocate the spooler to another partition with more free
disk space.  The problems you have are solvable, and don't necessarily involve
spending money.

--
Regards,
Robert Gammon
(713)-274-3299       (voice)
(713)-274-2324       (fax)

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: yee@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Paul Yee)
Subject: What is Orchid's E-mail address?
Organization: Communications Research Laboratory, McMaster University
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:01:39 GMT


Does anyone know of Orchid's email address, either on Internet or Compuserve?
If so, please email me - I would like to contact them re: drivers for
OS/2 2.0 with 32-bit GRE (I am currently using Orchid's 0.9 beta 16-bit
drivers).


Regards,
Paul Yee
yee@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: samiam@netcom.com (Scott Moore)
Subject: Re: Why not standard VESA
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 22:40:58 GMT

> DOS VDM's don't support VESA

The previous letter implied that VESA support cannot be obtained in a VDM.
It most certainly can. VESA support is in one of two forms: built in to the
BIOS, or via a TSR loaded. Both methods can be used under Os/2 2.0.

                                                      [sam]
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: ghenniga@NMSU.Edu
Subject: Re: Farenheit 1280 Drivers..FINALLY!
Reply-To: ghenniga@NMSU.Edu
Organization: New Mexico State University - Electromagnetics Group
	<Dec15.083643.69359@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:37:26 GMT


>Not quite perfectly.  There is some problem in and out
>of Win_OS/2 (3.1b) but I can get get there using the same
>old `close winos2 before going back to the OS/2 desktop'
>routine.  I suppose that means limited seamless windows
>functionality, I haven't gotten that far yet.
>
>Joy of joys! !  1024 x 768 x 256 on _MY_ system!

	I got 'round to trying 'em too and they work fairly well! But there is
at least one bug worthy of note. On my Fahrenheit 1280/D, if I have it set for
70Hz refresh at 1024x768 it brings up 1024x768 @45Hz Interlaced, try
staring at that for more than 1 second! The refresh (set with the dip
switches on the board) has to be set at 60Hz non-interlaced. The 800x600
driver will ONLY work at 60Hz, if I have the board set up for 72Hz it won't
go in to graphics mode at all and even then I get a compressed viewport
with about an inch of blank screen on either side of it.
	Also, it's worth mentioning that these drivers are STILL for the
16-bit GRE, a major gripe for me!
	I sent their CIS ID a note, mentioning the above gripe and bug, but
it takes, in my experience, a couple of days to get a response.

>The docs seem to indicate that Orchid's efforts
>were those of a single programmer. (?)  What an
>extravagance on their part!
>
>But I'm not really complaining...

	Actually with the first release I sent them a bug report and the
Customer service person said their TWO best programmers were working on
them. Of course that could be their standard reply to disgruntled
customers... "We have our BEST programmers working on it!". 
	Even so I am extremely happy that at least they have someone
working on them!

Gary Hennigan
---------
PhD Student, Computational Electromagnetics
New Mexico State University
email: ghenniga@NMSU.Edu
From: hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: uucp programs for Os/2 2.0, Trident 32bit drivers,
Keywords: uucp help info program
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:10:56 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser) writes:
>Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:
>>Uhh....the 32-bit drivers *are* seamless. Did you install the WinOS/2 drivers,

>What is meant by "seamless" in the context of OS/2?

You can run Win apps in a full-screen session, or, with the right
video support, you can get them to run on the WPS desktop, which
is known as "seamless" - ie. no indication that it is a Win app,
since it is running as a PM app would (visually speaking).

-- 
Tom Hatton
hatton@cgl.ucsf.edu
(415)-476-7986
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: massimo@cui.unige.ch (DEFRANCESCO Massimo)
Subject: Is there an ftp site in Europe mirroring hobbes?
Reply-To: massimo@cui.unige.ch
Organization: University of Geneva
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:57:00 GMT

Hello netters.

A big ftp site in Switzerland is willing to mirror ftp-os2.nmsu.edu,
but cannot do so easily because of the non-standard ls command 
implemented at hobbes.

A quick work-around would be to mirror an european (preferably) site
mirroring hobbes.

What they need is a site that:

- mirrors both ftp-os2.nmsu.edu:/pub/os2 and /pub/uploads
- is updated daily (preferably)
- is "stable" (regularly on and wanting to mirror hobbes for a long time)
- is fast

Does anybody knows if such a beast exists?

I'm hoping to announce the new ftp site for os/2 very soon.

Thanks in advance.

Massimo.
Just a happy swiss os/2 user.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: Any news on OS/2 2.1?
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 02:27:16 GMT

dposey@well.sf.ca.us (David Posey) writes:

>OS/2 2.1 is being discussed today in c.o.os2.advocacy - it is scheduled for
>release in late Feb/early March (pre-Comdex). The Service Pack is
>_already_out! 1-800-3IBMOS2 to order ($25, 14 disks).

Is this the same thing that's on ftp-os2?


-- 
heiser@world.std.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: th9708@meibm8.cen.uiuc.edu (Todd Lee Henderson)
Subject: Re: Mix of 3-chip and 9-chip simms with OS/2
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:16:56 GMT

nap42487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nishith A. Patel) writes:

>adhir@wam.umd.edu (Al Dhir) writes:

>>OS/2 happens to excersize your RAM quite a bit harder than standard diagnostics
>>programs like CHeckit.  RAM that checks out OK with CHeckit can easily choke
>>up with OS/2 (and WIndows for that matter).

>>Against my better judgement, I suggest again, that you install a new set of
>>SIMMS.  I am willing to bet my reputation that the problem lies with your 
>>memory.

>I understand putting in new memory might solve the problem, but I am still
>trying to figure out what kind of memory I should install. I can not simply ask
>for working SIMMS, because they will tell me the memory works. But it might

You can very easily tell them their memory is no good.  I had a friend who
ordered 4 meg simms and they didn't work in OS/2 at the 40 Mhz speed.  He
called the company and returned them.  If they don't work with OS/2, then
they ARE bad and should be returned.  They can always boot OS/2 and test it
if they want too.

Todd

>not in OS/2. My problem is I can't ask for memory that "works," they will tell 
>me it does. And so II can't xchange my "faulty" memory for some new memory
>(which I wont know about OS/2 compatibility either) without having to pay for the
>new memory.

>So does anyone know what specifications or whatever I should look for?
>I am a	already following the basic rules of not mixing chip numbers and 
>different speed modules. Maybe if can point out that such and such type of 
>memory works and the memory I received doesn't, they may exchange it. 


Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: santeew@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (Wes Santee)
Subject: Where to purchase Texel CD-ROM drives
Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:50:35 GMT


Okay foax, got a question.

I know that for the most part, Texel sells their
CD-ROM drives direct and not through any retail
channels.

However, there is always the chance that they
might let some companies carry them.  For instance,
I saw an add for Texel CD-ROM drives in a
"Dirt Cheap Drives" add in Computer Shopper, but
I'm not sure I trust them when they say that the
Texel DM-3024 (an internal model) comes in an
internal or external model.  Seem's most mail-order
house's nowadays don't know a thing about what they
are selling.

Anyway, my question, are there any places out there
that you have seen that are selling the Texel drives
*AND* know what they are selling?  I'd like to see
if I can get it cheaper than direct...

Feel free to follow up, or e-mail as there might be
some interest on the net...

Thx,

-- 
Wes Santee             | "I think it's about time we voted for senators
santeew@cs.uoregon.edu |  with breasts.  After all, we've been voting
                       |  for boobs long enough."
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: My DRIVE C Icon doesn't work!
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:33:59 GMT

In article <BzDt4H.FF3@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> husak@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stephen R. Husak ) writes:
>Slight problem:
>When I click on my DRIVE C icon, a window appears and then the icon closes
>again. What gives??? Anyone know???
>I even shredded the it and then recreated it and it does the same thing.
>Setup: GA+SP , 8meg ram, 80Meg HD.

Run CHKDSK /F on your C: drive per the instructions in the FAQ List
(from an OS/2 floppy boot).

Then make sure you've enabled autochecking, again per the FAQ List.

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: aaa@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Simon Fowler)
Subject: Re: What is the recommended size for an OS/2 system-only partition?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:13:20 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Atlanta GA

In article <BzBAAD.114@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, schepers@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Peter Schepers) writes:
>      Also also, as an aside, Boot Manager allows you to set a extended
> partition bootable, installable and the like, but when I tried to install
> DOS 5.0 in it, it would not boot. I would just get garbage scolling across
> the screen, and the machine would hang. Is this setup supposed to be
> possible? The reason I ask, is your OS/2 partition is setup as an extended,
> and it works. Does this not work for DOS as well?

To the best of my knowledge, DOS has to be installed in a primary partition. 
Mine is set up with OS/2 1.3 and DOS in primary partitions and OS/2 2.0 and Beta in
extended partitions. Works fine

simon
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: d89os@efd.lth.se (Ola Sigurdson)
Subject: The 1-bit Operating system (was Re: OS/2 NOT 32 Bit?)
Summary: Humour
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:18:34 GMT

Maybe it is time for the 1-bit operating system . . . 

You know -- like CD-players were advertised as being "18" or "20" bit
and then everybody went to "1-bit" technology.
Hm . . . 

-- 
Ola Sigurdson | Internet: d89os@efd.lth.se |
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Inexpensive 16-bit Future Domain SCSI Adapters
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:55:42 GMT

Several people have been looking for an inexpensive yet decent SCSI
adapter for use under OS/2 2.0 (to run CD-ROM, particularly).

I have no affiliation with the company, but Hi-Tech (at 805-966-5454
or FAX 805-966-2354) is offering the Future Domain 16-bit TMC-1660ER
SCSI adapter for $65.  I believe this adapter includes floppy disk
support.

I have not specifically tested this adapter with OS/2 2.0.  However,
the OS/2 2.0 README file indicates that the TMC-1660 is supported
natively by OS/2, without the IBMINT13.I13 driver.

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