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From: dbayer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Daniel L Bayer)
Subject: Re: Anchor Steam Christmas Ale
Organization: The Ohio State University
 <jeffw.724455951@ficus.cs.ucla.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:36:44 GMT

I was the one who complained about the $9/six for Anchor Christmas Ale.  I got 
a barrage of mail from people telling me my retailer was marking it up.  I AM 
the retailer,  and in Ohio the state sets a minimum mark-up based on cost to 
distributors.  The cost to distributors was around a dollar per bottle 
(according to my otherwise reliable source at the distributor).  I make only 
20%;  that's the state minimum.  I feel there is price gouging by the brewer 
and am therefore not drinking it.  Like I posted before,  buy Oldenburg Winter 
brew for half the price and only a little suffering in quality.  Dan.

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Australia +NZ Micros +brewpubs wanted!!
From: R.J.Patel@massey.ac.nz (R. Patel)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 02:02:14 GMT
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
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G'day,

Can't speak for Australia, but in NZ try The Parrot and Jigger in Lower
Hutt (Wellington) and The Loaded Hog (in Wellinton and Christchurch).

Also visit the Macs Real Ale Brewer (I forget where, but once you arrive
someone'll point you in the right direction).

For sheer grottyness visit The Fitz in Palmerston North during term
time, when the students are back (or scarfies in more popular parlence).
Until you've had to fight for a jug and experianced the heated floors
(to allow the spilt beer to dry up, solidify vomit and make the patrons
drink more) you haven't lived.

Hope this helps.

I can point you in the direction of some serious pub-crawling piss heads
(students of course) for further info.

Raj.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: cs151kx@lamar.ColoState.EDU ()
Subject: are you a turtle?
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:29:40 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523
From: IO20823@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (T. Peter Leone)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Toronado Brew Pub in San Fran?
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:13:56 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

I'll be visiting San Francisco around New Years. While there I'd like to visit
some brew pubs that serve good micro-brews. A freind of mine sent me a clipping
some a beer magazine about this Toronado (sp?) bar. It seemed like this kind of
place I'd would enjoy. Does anyone have any thoughts about this place. Or can
anone recommend any good local beers in San Francisco? Thanks for the info!

                                Peace,
                                       Peter Leone


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From: sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh)
Subject: NYC Pubs/Brewpubs
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:59:10 GMT

Hi all.  I'll be in NYC between Christmas and New Years' and I *need*
to know where in Manhattan there are pubs and/or brewpubs worth going
to.  Also, where's a good place to buy beer (micros/imports etc.) in
the City?

-- 
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Dept. of English         |   be Jewish, female, or generally irreverent."
Univ. of Toronto         |                             - Lawrence Lipking
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From: nate@ghidrah.Central.Sun.COM (Nate McConnell FE/SSE Grand Rapids, MI)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Simpatico was Re: Corona and Mexican Beer
Date: 17 Dec 1992 21:29:38 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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In article 1@acad.drake.edu, kns001@acad.drake.edu () writes:
>In article <7927@news.duke.edu>, daniel@teer9.acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec12.230901.1@acad.drake.edu>, kns001@acad.drake.edu writes:
>> |> 
>> |> ...In all the talk I've seen here abt. Mexican brews,
>> |>nobody's mentioned Simpatico, which I really like - has anyone else tried it?
>>                       ^^^^^^^^^^
>> |> (comes in a nifty black bottle...)   
>> 
>> 
>> I was under the imression that Simpatico was made in Iowa -- is this true???
>
>....If it is, then that's news to me - I haven't seen it around here.
>
>Karissa S.


There is a Simpatico (lager I imagine) and a Simpatico Amber, the Amber is made in
Iowa (licensed from the Mexican Co. I guess) and the other is made in Mexico.
I like the Amber better.

nate
From: kns001@acad.drake.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Corona and Mexican Beer
Date: 14 Dec 92 03:07:56 GMT
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA

In article <7927@news.duke.edu>, daniel@teer9.acpub.duke.edu (Daniel Crawford) writes:
> In article <1992Dec12.230901.1@acad.drake.edu>, kns001@acad.drake.edu writes:
> |> 
> |> ...In all the talk I've seen here abt. Mexican brews,
> |>nobody's mentioned Simpatico, which I really like - has anyone else tried it?
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^
> |> (comes in a nifty black bottle...)   
> 
> 
> I was under the imression that Simpatico was made in Iowa -- is this true???
> 
> T. Daniel Crawford
> Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry
> University of Georgia
> Athens, GA 30602


...If it is, then that's news to me - I haven't seen it around here.

Karissa S.
From: elendil@seashell.mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Anchor Porter...
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 92 15:43:18 CST
Organization: Seashell Software

robl@macro.viewlogic.com (Rob Limbert) writes:

>
> In article <5RiaVB1w165w@seashell.mintir.new-orleans.la.us>, elendil@seashell
> |> Picked up a six pack of Anchor Porter yesterday.  I haven't had it in ages
> |> it really hit the spot tonight.  I remember having it recommended to me as
> |> alternative to stouts, which are so strong that they put off aa lot of fol
> |> Can anyone recommend other good porters to try that are available here?
> |>
>
>    I don't know what's available in your area, but there are several good
> Porters produced by american microbreweries. Sierra Nevada, Catamount, and
> Boulder all make good (though differing) examples that are easy to find
> around here (New England).

We've got a couple of good wine stores that have good beer selections.  I'll
look for those.

>
>    Anchor Porter is richer than most Porters; in some ways, it's almost
> like a Stout. Another Porter along those lines is Samuel Smith's Taddy
> Porter, which is, I believe, actually marketed as a Stout in Britain.
>
> Rob

Hmmm...it's been a while since I've had a bottle of Guinness, but I remember it
always 'hitting' me with that strong flavor.  Anchor Porter was rich, but it
didn't have that same impact.  It'll be interesting to compare some of the
others with Anchor.




|Edward J. Branley         elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us|
|Seashell Software, Metairie, LA            +1-504-455-5087|
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: American beer all sucks
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:27:56 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
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In article <1992Dec15.150401.2227@gvl.unisys.com> jess@gvlf4.gvl.unisys.com (slim Pickens) writes:
>Maybe try alt.buzz or alt.sniff.glue or alt.whipped.cream.propellant.


>Slim Pickens 

Actually, Slim, I think there is an alt.kerosene.get-high.
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From: ulick@michaelangelo.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Subject: Re: American beer all sucks
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:55:26 GMT

In article <15DEC92.00655299.0059@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> V5WA000 <V5WA@UNB.CA> writes:
>Do You idiots actually get drunk off that water you call beer?
>Here in Canada, Labatts rules.  I'm not being biased
>because it's Canadian.  It's just better.  I like to know when I'm drink
>drinking and it doesn't take 10 to 12 bottles before you get
>a buzz (like all American beer)
>
> Feel free to respond

To whom?  How often do posts like this come unsigned from a rogue computer
generated flame machine with a name like V5WA.  The trouble with computer
generated flame machines is that they have no taste - I mean of all the 
Canadian beers, to pick Labatts!!  I wonder could the computer generated
flame machine handle 12 bottles of Sierra Nevada Stout, or even 
Haffernreffer Malt Liquor, or does it just drink weak beers little 
different from American megabrews, and certainly no stronger?
It has probably never tasted a decent Canadian beer such as Brador or a good
import because of the ridiculous import laws. 


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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: taylor@ccrs.emr.ca (Trevor Taylor)
Subject: Re:Sweet and Malty
Organization: Canada Centre for Remote Sensing, Ottawa
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:20:39 GMT


The Braziliains make the wolrds most sweet and malty beer, as far
as I can tell. Take Dragon Stout and double the sweetness level.
I was recently in Brazil but have unfortunately forgotten the 
name of the beers.

Oh well, I will post in soc.culture.brazil to get the names

Trevor
From: murray@bullwinkle.raleigh.ibm.com (Charlie Murray)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: More beer and lemon
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:05:08 GMT
Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina

In article Message-ID: <brewer.04a6@meltdown.chi.il.us> From: brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us (Mike Wilson) writes:

> Please keep in mind that these are my opinions.  That's all they are. Of
> course, all my opinions are the correct ones...  ;-)

What a coincidence, so are mine...

> First, Corona is hardly a "different" beer.  It is slightly cleaner in flavor
> than the regular American beers, but not so much so to make me change my
> tastes.  About the only difference I can see is adding the lime piece.  

> I dunno, I've never been impressed with what's "cool".  I want taste in a beer
> and Corona just doesn't have it.  I've never had Sol, but if it's comparable to
> Corona, I probably never will.  To drink a beer to be "trendy" is just plain
> stupid; throwing your money to the wind.

The first time I ran across Corona was on spring break in 85.  We went
to this bar in LA somewhere, and people were plunking down $3 per for
what I considered to be piss in a clear bottle.  Of course, these were
probably the same people who pay for a suntan (flame throwers at the
ready).

> <sigh>  My favorite these days is Pete's Wicked Ale, I'll just stick with that
> now, or my own brews, of course, until my tastes changes, but if/when I change,
> it'll be on my terms, not that of the trendy.

I second Pete's Wicked Ale.  I had one in a place in Raleigh the other
night, and found it to be quite tasty.  Luckily, I can get a six of it
here in Chapel Hill, so that I can enjoy it in the comfort of my own
home, while I brew up a batch of my own.

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From: cnc@sweep.bt.co.uk (Colin Crist)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: MORE beer and lemon!
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:18:14 GMT
Reply-To: cnc@sweep.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

In article 11y@csugrad.cs.vt.edu, schuyler@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (S. Schuyler Stultz) writes:
>I have no basis for this, but my freshman year here at VA Tech (yes, I was
>gullible, but wait) a friend of mine poured beer and lemonade half and half.
>When I poked fun at him he said it was commmon in England.  Well, at the 
>time the farthest I'd ever been in my life was to Atlanta, so I kind of
>believed him.  I tried it and it wasn't terrible, not good, but not terrible.
>Then this past summer I went to France to visit a cousin studying at the 
>Univesity of Nice.  When we went out one night one of the ladies in our
>group had a bottled version of this "bier limonade."  Is this a "common"
>practice in Europe?  The closest I've seen to something along these lines
>here in the moutains of Virginia is the red-eye (shot of tomato juice in beer.)
>

We call it shandy in England - I've never come across 'red-eye', sound quite
awful.

>Also, There's been some discussion of the fact that Heineken is praised here
>in the states and not held in such high reguard in Europe.  What about
>Becks?

Better than Heineken, although not one of the best examples of German beers.

Colin

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman)
Subject: New Celis Beer(Gran Crue) Available
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:03:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Austin, TX. US of A.


	I talked to the people at the Celis brewery on Friday, 12/11/92
	and they said that the new Celis (Gran Crue) should be on the
	shelves this week(in Austin anyway). No doubt on tap at several
	local pubs.

	FYI.

	- dewey


	ps. They also said that since it's 7% alcohol, they can't give 
	away free samples of it on their tour. We really need to change
	that law in here in Texas. If you live in Texas, have you called 
	the Governors office yet to voice your opinion in support of the 
	BrewPub law change that is being considered?
	Contact me for more details.
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: canderso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chuck Anderson)
Subject: Black & Tan - was Re: Help
Keywords: And a Green Mamaba, too
Reply-To: canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 01:11:18 GMT

> mliau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Alvin K Liau) writes:

>1.	How do you mix a half & half, and
>	how do you mix a black & tan. 

I've noticed the topic of Black & Tans coming up lately and I thought I'd
point out that you can't make them at home (unless that's what the "Guiness
in a can with nitrogen" is for, AND you can get it).

I tried a number of times to make a Black & Tan at home, to no avail. The
Guiness and ale just mix together.  You need nitrogen to make the Guiness
float.

When I was in Kenya, the bartender made me a "Green Mamba."  It was a mug
of beer with a small glass of Creme de Mint (Menthe?) dropped in.  The 
Creme de Menthe stayed in the small glass and very slowly gave off a
slight mint flavor.  It tasted pretty good to me.  I've had the same problem
trying to make them at home.  You should have heard everybody laughing
when I convinced the bartender at my local watering hole to try and make one.
That was one ugly, disgusting beer.  Thankfully, she was a good friend and
didn't make me drink it.

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From: ST1T0@jetson.uh.edu (Carl Seiler)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Cerveza CORONA: Price comparison U.S.A <> Mexico.
Date: 15 Dec 1992 20:00:10 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: world
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In <BzAoAn.2F2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> anelson@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu writes:

>  For all of those of you who enjoy the great taste of Mexican beer, I have a   
>  little piece of info which I know will interest you. 
>  This summer I was vacationing down in old Mexico and much too my surprise I found out that for 1 dollar = 3000 pesos you can buy 3 Corona beers, think about it here in the U.S. a six pack of the same bottles will cost $5 dollars on the 
>  average while in Mexico you can get 2 1/2 six pack for the same price.  Now you
>  know why so many mexicans spend their time filling their big  bellys with beer.
>  
>  Just a little curiosity I thought would be nice to post.
>  
>  Angie.
>  
>

This means absolutely nothing.  It may be cheap for a person from EEUU 
to pick up some brewskies in Mexico, but that doesn't mean it is for a 
Mexican.  As every budding international and development economist 
knows, you cannot simply calculate costs based on the exchange rate.  
Sure, beer costs 1/3 what it does here, but when you compare average 
wages converted with the exchange rate, you'll find that the average 
Mexican also earns less than 1/3 what the average American does.  When 
food and housing take the majority of their small salaries, it doesn't 
leave a whole heck of a lot to spend money on. 

A good example that is often used is that of a Big Mac.  One might 
cost $1.00 in an LDC, and we might think that is cheap.  However, when 
that price is measured in hours it takes to earn a Big Mac it will be 
1/10 for an average US citizen but 3 for a person in that country.  
This amount would vary a lot between countries.

Alcoholic beverages, though, are one thing the poor all over the world 
(including the United States) tend to consume because, relative to 
other entertainment goods as priced in their own country, they are 
cheaper.  Look, four buddies here could go out to the movies for $24 
or buy a case of Schlitz for $5.  What's it going to be? 

Carl

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From: brewer@meltdown.chi.il.us (Mike Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: How big is a keg? / Leienkugols (sp)
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:03:58 CST
Organization: The Meltdown - A Team Star BBS

Forget the Leinie's.  When I was staying in Palo Alto, there was a Lucky's on,
I think, California(?), that I got most of my beer from.  But I always stuck
with something other than what I could be back east.  I even liked Weinhard's,
but only the dark.  My tastes have changed even more since then.

There has to be other places, though,  and I KNOW there are brewpubs out there.
 There's a Tied House right in Mountain View.  Ask at The Pocket (if it still
exists), some upper classman must know.

Mike Wilson
brewer.meltdown.chi.il.us
From: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com (Dewey Coffman)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Celis Grand Cru NOW AVAILABLE!
Date: 18 Dec 92 16:33:16 GMT
Reply-To: dewey@vpdbox.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Austin, TX. US of A.


I picked up a six pack of the Celis Grand Cru last night at Whole Foods
$6.54 a six versus $5.99 for the other Celis beers.
I tried one last night, it was "wheaty" tasting, no spice like the Celis
White. The brewery had said it was 7% alcohol content, although there is
no "malt liquor" label on the bottles or carton. I've only had one, but
it seemed stronger than normal, but it'll take a few before I "judge" it.

	-burgomaster dew

Below is from the Six pack carton. Enjoy.
======================================================================
			Hill Country Ale
			Celis Grand Cru

Belgium's small-town brewers, like their French winegrowing counterparts,
have always called their best product "grand cru" or "special vintage."
A grand cru ale was the brewer's very own favorite, an ale of superior
flavor produced with the finest ingredients, great craftsmanship and
loving care.
Brewed only in small quantities, grand cru was reserved for special
occaisions such as village weddings, the visit of a long time friend,
or the sealing of a successful business deal.
The brewer would server his very best ale to the village dignitaries
who would drop in, and it was not uncommon to find the burgomaster
discussing village matters with the local attorney or headmaster
over a bottle of grand cru.
Celis Grand Cru, based on a traditional grand cru recipe from the Belgian
town of Howgaarden, builds on this wonderful rural tradition.

Celis Brewery, Inc.
2431 Forbes Drive
Walnut Creek Business Park
Austin, TX 78754
(512) 835 0884
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: gwt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (geoffrey.c.woods)
Subject: California micro beer withdrawal in Naples, Floria
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:44:04 GMT
Keywords: Where's the good beer


My brother in law just moved form Berkley, CA to Naples, FL and is having 
withdrawal symptoms for California beer. He has located a couple of stores 
that sell Sierra Nevada (the stout is his favorite), but the beer is so 
old or poorly handled it is not worth buying. Does anyone know where to find
a FRESH seletion of micro beer in the beer wasteland of southwest Florida?

He couldn't believe his eyes when he went into the local sports bar hangout
and they only had light beers on tap and all of the good ole boys where
drinking it. I'll be seeing him next week and will bring the Sierra Nevada 
decoder to see if the beer is old or poorly handled - my guess is both - at 
the grocery store where he works the only Sierra Nevada stout sold (which 
is not refridgerated) for the last month is the six pack he bought!

My brewpub list got him to Kidders in Fort Meyers, but the problem is you 
still have to drive home! Maybe now I can talk him into making his own brew,
does anyone know if there are any homebrew clubs near Naples?

				Thanks for any help,
				Geoff
				gcw@garage.att.com