HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: "Junwei W. Hou" <jwh3@PO.CWRU.EDU>
Subject:      Some explanations about S. 1216
Reply-To: "Junwei W. Hou" <jwh3@po.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:48:34 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu, ccnl@utarlvm1.uta.edu,
              china-news-post@mentor.cc.purdue.edu

SJ Q&A (August 13, 1992)
*****************

Dear Netters:

     After I posted the bill analysis, I have received some
questions from interested netters.  I would like to provide
explanations to these questions.  Again,  these explanations are
based solely on my understanding of the bill and the relevant law.

     According to the bill, as long as you are a PRC national
arriving before April 11, 1990, and have since continuously resided
in the U.S., you are eligible for the benefit provided by the bill.
For those left the U.S. during the stated period, if such absences
can be described as "brief, casual and innocent",  they are
eligible for the benefit too.  For those visited China and stayed
in China less than 90 days during the stated period, they are also
qualified for the protection.  Under the bill, it is irrelevant
what visa you are holding, or whether you are employed or at
school.  As provided by the bill, the qualified PRC nationals will
not go through the regular petition procedure for classification as
required by INA.  The Attorney General will automatically approve
such PRC nationals' petitions as if they were qualified for
employment-based classification under INA.  For the purpose of
applying for adjustment to permanent residence status, such PRC
nationals do not need to have a job, nor do they need to finish
their programs in colleges or universities.  Of course, such PRC
nationals may not be drug dealers or persons engaging in unlawful
activities in the U.S.

     I have also received some netters' questions regarding the
significance of a person's economic status on the eligibility.  I
am absolutely, positively certain that the poorest PRC national, if
he meets the conditions mentioned above, has the same right as the
richest PRC national to enjoy the benefit provided by the bill.  It
is unconstitutional for a line being drawn by a person's economic
status in this case where the underlying principle is human rights
concern.

     Furthermore, according to the bill, the Attorney General has
the discrection not to apply the provisions in INA which exclude
certain criminals and communist party members from adjustment to
permanent residence status.  The guiding principle of this
discrection is the considerations of family unity, humanitarian
purposes or if otherwise in public interests.



                              Junwei Hou
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: zg11@ellis.uchicago.edu (zening  ge)
Subject: Re: E-Mail to PRC
Reply-To: zg11@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 03:37:00 GMT

In article <BtBEGp.1nI@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> B118789@VAX.CSC.CUHK.HK writes:
>21 August 1992
>
>Several of my colleagues and I here at The Chinese University of Hong
>Kong are interested in e-mail communication with scholars on the
>Mainland. ...
>
>My question is this: Can anyone supply us with e-mail addresses
>in the PRC?  Our research interests include not only the
>communications infrastructure itself, but also the social and
>political implications of e-mail in China.

Here are some e-mail addresses in the mainland China, but the thing is
the mail receipent has to pay for the mail you guys sent, so check out
first:
1). China Research network: 
postmaster@cnlab.nci.crn.cn
 OR
helpdesk@cnlab.nci.crn.cn

2). China Academic Network
ica.beijing.canet.cn

Fudan University: postmaster@ee.sjtu.crn.cn

Good luck!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: MSZHANG%SUNRISE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      Donations to IFCSS/CCSA from Syracuse
Reply-To: MSZHANG%SUNRISE.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:45:00 GMT

       Donations to IFCSS/CCSA from Syracuse for the S1216

So far, a total of $1,045 donations has been collected and sent to
IFCSS and CCSA respectively. Of the amount, $825 was sent to
IFCSS-CSS protection account and $220 was sent to CCSA account.
The donations were collected from Syracuse University, SUNY-HSC at Syracuse
and SUNY-ESF at Syracuse. A total of 49 persons has donated, the biggest
individual donation is $100 and the least is $10.

Rightnow we still have some claimed donation not being able to be
collected. So more donations will be sent to IFCSS/CCSA in the future.
We hope IFCSS HQ and CCSA committee can report on the China-net the
donations collected from universities, and this will surely encourage
more donations.

We also would like to take this opportunity to express our thanks to
HQ and CCSA, especially Dr. Zhao, Haiqing for their effort in lobbying
S1216.

Syracuse CSS S1216 lobby task force
August 19, 1992
From: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      IFCSS HQ NR-4007: Protection Coordination
Reply-To: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:25:49 GMT
Comments: To: ccnl@utarlvm1.uta.edu, china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

**************************************************************
IFCSS Headquarters News Release No. 4007       August 20, 1992
                PROTECTION COORDINATION
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu

                Protection Coordination
                =======================

Dear IFCSS Members:

    Mr. Hou Junwei, who has provided valuable help to our
protection campaign, just released the newest result of his
research: the bill is still in the House. After reading his
report, the HQ exchanged telephone calls and emails with Mr.
Hou. We evaluated all the information and checked several
references but reached no decisive conclusion. Please stay
calm, however, as our people in charge of the lobby
activities will for sure investigate the situation and make
their reports as soon as possible.

   No matter what the situation is, we will have to
continue our nation-wide supporting activities. In a
democratic society, the fate of a legislative drive is often
determined by the degree of mass mobilization and participation.
The HQ has released its plan for nation-wide coordination.
To fully implement that plan, the HQ needs strong moral and
financial support. In the past several weeks, the HQ has
completed many projects to assist the campaign. But the HQ
has also been under constant pressure and has to overcome
all kinds of difficulties. We hope that it is understood
that the HQ needs a strong support from the general CSS
community, otherwise not only its ability to coordinate
the protection campaign will be severely reduced, it will
also affect the long term development of IFCSS.

   You may show your support by joining the nation-wide
lobby coordinator system, by organizing supporting
activities, or by sending encouragement to the HQ. Donations
are extremely needed. The HQ is not in a good condition
financially. Little money was left from last term. Fund-
raising drive for this term has just started. On the other
hand, the protection campaign has drained the limited
resources. In the last month, the telephone bill alone
was over $1,900. Some HQ staffs have not been payed
in July and August although they have worked day and night
fo the interests of fellow students and scholars. Under
such a difficult yet critical time, we should work
together and support each other.

   The HQ has collected a long list of potential
school and state coordinators. We hope to organize
the list and publish it as soon as possible.

   Thank you for your attention.

***************************************************************
         IFCSS Headquarters Office    Signature
***************************************************************
From: ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM (Ignatius Ding)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Wang Ruo Wang Honored at SVDC Meeting
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:54:16 GMT
Reply-To: "Ignatius Ding" <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Organization: Indiana University
Comments: To: Dennis.D.Lee@Eng.Sun.COM, china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              donovan@csl.sri.com, hknet@cs.wisc.edu, how@iris.ucdavis.edu,
              ifcss%WAM.UMD.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              joseph_ng%5y@hp0200.desk.hp.com, jung_lin%40@hp1900.desk.hp.COM,
              sdc@longhorn.Corp.sun.com, ggach@pandora.sf.ca.us,
              xwu@janus.Berkeley.EDU, cnd-editor@djohn-sun.kent.edu,
              melody@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com, jchu@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com,
              wuling@s1.msi.umn.edu, li@perry.berkeley.edu,
              jyee@eclair.berkeley.edu, Isaac.Chen@Eng.Sun.COM,
              ide!ide.com!cai@uunet.UU.NET, wwang@mail1.cis.umn.edu

Dissident Journalist Wang Ruo Wang was honored at the SVDC annual general
membership meeting in Sunnyvale, California on August 15, 1992.  SVDC Chairman
Charles Shao presented to Wang a plaque on behalf of SVDC Board and members to
recognize and praise him for his lifetime dedication and contribution to the
democracy movement in China.

Wang spent more than three hours at the meeting to observe the process to build
consensus and resolve organizational issues.  He gave a short but inspiritional
talk to the audience at the end of the meeting.  He re-iterated his view on
political reform in China.  Without ridding the one-party totalitarian system,
accepting responsibility for the 1989 Tian'anmen Massacre, allowing freedom of
press, the Chinese Communist Party will not survive in the push for democracy
in China.

Wang pointed out that the so-called reformists within the CCP are merely
moderates or can best be described as opportunists who are trying to prolong
the absolute control of "the party" over the country and wrestle power away
from the hardliners.  True reforms must consist both economic and political
reforms.  The attempt to use partial economic reform to disguise the total
failure of the communist system is like an one-leg person trying to run in a
marathon race.

He pointed out that the principle of democracy is universal.  Those who claim
that China needs a democratic system with its own character don't really
understand or want democracy for the Chinese people.

Wang planned to stay in the San Francisco Bay area at least until he attends
the North America Regional Conference of the Round Table Alliance on August 23,
1992.  He has accepted an invitaion to visit Western Canada before he leaves
for his final destination in the United States, Columbia University in New York
City, at the end of this month.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Shenzhen
Date: 15 Aug 92 11:37:18 -0600
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Aug13.150134.9665@bradford.ac.uk>, H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG) writes:
> Any idea what happened in Shenzhen in mainland 
> China? Would informed person post something about
> it in this news group.
> 
> Thanks,


	** Actually, nothing new.

	   After people eating the fruit of wisdom, they become greedy.

	   That's all. 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "Junwei W. Hou" <jwh3@PO.CWRU.EDU>
Subject:      Some correction on S.1216 analysis
Reply-To: "Junwei W. Hou" <jwh3@po.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 23:11:20 GMT
Comments: To: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu, ccnl@utarlvm1.uta.edu,
              china-news-post@mentor.cc.purdue.edu

**********************
Note:  The following is an e-mail I received from a netter, which
gave different interpretation regarding several points of my
analysis on the bill.  Having re-checked the relevant law, I
believe her interpretation is the correct one. Thanks.(Junwei Hou)
**********************************************************



Hi,

I read your analysis of the Act.  I am also a law student (2nd
year), and have done some research in this area.  I have some
questions regarding your interpretation:

1.  you said "202(e) provides that no offset in number or visas
should be made if "an alien is granted the status of having been
lawfully admitted for permanent residence."  However, my
understanding of 202(e) is that it is designed to prevent higher
priority categories taking up all the alloted space for a given
nation if the total number of immigrant visas made available under
203(a) and (b) exceed the numeric limitation specified in
202(a)(2).  This is a minor point but I was not sure where you
interpre-tation came from and 202(e) will probably apply to PRC.

2.  you wrote "[t]he way to count the number of the PRC nationals
benefitted from the bill is : 1000/yr + if any (the quota assigned
to PRC - actual no.  of PRC immigrant).

I disagree on two points

     (a)  I thought this formula  is to count the number of unused
visas as measured by the quota before it is reduced according to
this Act. This number is accumulated until the total is >= the
number PRC who have adjusted their status under this Act
     (b)  the formula itself should be 1000 + quota assigned to PRC
before offset - 1000 - actual no. PRC immigrant.  In other words it
is  "quota assigned to PRC under 202(a)(2) of I&N Act - actual no.
of PRC immigrant"

                         (Sign)

*****************************
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: Network News Account <netnews@HICKORY.ENGR.UTK.EDU>
Subject:      Some doubts,
Reply-To: Network News Account <netnews@HICKORY.ENGR.UTK.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:58:15 GMT
Comments: To: China-NT@uga.cc.uga.edu

After reading all the messages relased by IFCSS and Junwei W. Hou, we have some
 doubts
about the s1216 lobby work done by IFCSS. How can the people who work so hard
 for the
lobby are not sure if the BILL passed or not? After the first message that Mr.
 Hou relased
ifcss relased the message telling people they did not know where they were!
 Anyone
who has sharp minds would doubt what is really going on...

---Netnews people
From: dtang@bass.bu.edu (yunfei zhang)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: SJ Q&A: Bill Analysis--S.1216, as amended
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:23:09 GMT
Reply-To: dtang@bass.bu.edu (Deming Tang)
Followup-To: talk.politics.china
Organization: Boston University

Thanks to Junwei's analysis of S.1216.  According to the analysis,
it appears to me that one will have to get a job before becoming
eligible in this program, am I right?  Therefore, those are still
in school will have to wait for graduation and go through the
Employment based petition in order to get PR.  I wonder if Junwei
can elaborate this issue since it has major impact to many
Chinese students currently in school.  Thanks.


Deming


Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: news@news.iastate.edu (USENET News System)
Subject: Re: Eveready
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:25:32 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: Maoist view of cooperative world trade--a response
Date: 18 Aug 92 04:19:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

/* acf3:talk.politics.china / thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) /  6:56 pm  Aug 13, 1992 */
In article <77527@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>Again, followups to this should go to talk.politics.whatever.
>
>Why exactly are Taiwan and S. Korea special cases in development?  The
>"Taiwan model" is being followed with roughly the same results in
>Latin America and Mainland China.  

Hello Joe, how does your summer go?

What is special is the bless from the US under the circumstances of Cold
War.  Unfortunately/Fortunately, Cold War is over now and both USSR and
USA lost on their economic front.  Both Taiwan and Korea were partially
industrialized as parts of Imperial Japan's war machine while Latin
American was satisfied with their agriculture and natural resources
output.  Most colonies in Asia and Africa were truely messed up by
Europeans.  Latin American are special too in the way that they failed
to industrialize at the same time with her North American sisters.
Maybe because they did not practice slavery or colonialism, or something
else split the Western Hemisphere into half.

Can China continuously grow on mostly export profits?  Who is going to
pay for those profits to raise GNP per capita tenfolds for the Chinese
population sixty times that many of Taiwanese?  I even have doubt on
wether we are going to destroy biosphere before all Chinese can live as
an average Taiwanese now.  US life style for all human beings might
simply be impossible for the limitation of our Earth.  It is time to
change old development theories and that will just make Taiwan and S.
Korea special cases in a special period of human history.

TY Huang
/* ---------- */
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Subject:      IFCSS HQ NR-4006: Family Reunion Program
Reply-To: IFCSS HQ <ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:06:31 GMT
Comments: cc: china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu

**************************************************************
IFCSS Headquarters News Release No. 4006       August 19, 1992
            UPDATE ON IFCSS FAMILY REUNION PROGRAM
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu

            Update on IFCSS Family Reunion Program
            ======================================

Dear IFCSS Members:

    In the past two years, the IFCSS Government Affairs
Committee has successfully offered a Family Reunion
program which has helped hundreds of Chinese students
and scholars to obtain visas for their spouses and
children. This program not only provided needed service
to our fellow students and scholars, but also enhanced
the reputation and influence of IFCSS.

    The IFCSS HQ has decided to continue this program.
Because the person in charge of this program is going
to move to the West, the HQ will handle the cases from
now on. Any inquiries, applications, replies or messages
should be sent to the HQ.

    The Family Reunion program does not cover parents.
Since the HQ has received a lot of cases in which parents
have been rejected by U.S. Consuls, the HQ will contact
relevant agencies and persons to see if we can make it
easier for parents to visit the United States.

    The IFCSS HQ wish to thank all those who have
contributed to this program, especially Dr. Huang Yuangeng,
formal Chairman of the Government Affairs Committee and
the founder of this program. Dr. Huang Liuqing, also
a formal chairman of the Committee, has also played a vital
role in the development of the program. Ms. Qing Xiaomian
and Ms. Xu Xiaoman have been the program officers (unpayed
volunteers) in the past two years. Their dedication to the
causes of IFCSS, their help to our fellow students
and scholars, and their unselfish spirit shall be
remembered by all of us. Ms. Laura F. Reiff, Attorney
in Arent & Fox (a law firm), has also helped to make
this program a successful one.

   We thank all those who have helped this program in
the past but their names are not shown here. We will carry
on the tradition and develop more programs to serve the CSS
community.

***************************************************************
         IFCSS Headquarters Office    Signature
***************************************************************
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: cyc@z.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Maoist view of cooperative world trade--a response
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:40:02 GMT

In article <77527@ut-emx.uucp> joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang) writes:
>Again, followups to this should go to talk.politics.whatever.
>
>In article <1992Aug7.225634.28792@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> thuang@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Tze-yau Huang) writes:
>>I am well awared of the fact that Taiwan and S. Korea are special cases 
>>in development 
>
>Why exactly are Taiwan and S. Korea special cases in development?  The
>"Taiwan model" is being followed with roughly the same results in
>Latin America and Mainland China.  
>

Taiwan's model is very different from S. Korea's model and Latin America
and China are not following exactly what Taiwan and S. Korea have done.
First of all, Taiwan only allows small scale business for private and
government controls the giant industries, such as power plant, phone company,
gasoline, steel industry, etc. While S. Korea allows giant industries to be
operated privately. So, S. Korea has about 13 companies ranked among the
largest 500 companies in the world, but Taiwan has none.
S. Korea is more like another Japan, but Taiwan is far from another Japan.
The model of Latin American and China is that government controls almost 
everything before, and now is loosing up a little bit for tiny private
companies. This situation is not even close to Taiwan or S. Korea's case.
Besides, China's currency is valued the highest among all these 
countries, this will cause China lots of effort to develop it's economy
than the other three countries.

Yi-Chieh
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: "Ignatius Ding" <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Subject:      8/23 Round Table Conference in Foster City, California
Reply-To: "Ignatius Ding" <ding@HPSMTC1.CUP.HP.COM>
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:16:42 GMT
Comments: To: Dennis.D.Lee@Eng.Sun.COM, china-nt@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              donovan@csl.sri.com, hknet@cs.wisc.edu, how@iris.ucdavis.edu,
              ifcss%WAM.UMD.EDU@uga.cc.uga.edu,
              joseph_ng%5y@hp0200.desk.hp.com, jung_lin%40@hp1900.desk.hp.COM,
              sdc@longhorn.Corp.sun.com, ggach@pandora.sf.ca.us,
              xwu@janus.Berkeley.EDU, cnd-editor@djohn-sun.kent.edu,
              melody@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com, jchu@hpsmtc1.cup.hp.com,
              wuling@s1.msi.umn.edu, li@perry.berkeley.edu,
              jyee@eclair.berkeley.edu, Isaac.Chen@Eng.Sun.COM,
              ide!ide.com!cai@uunet.UU.NET, wwang@mail1.cis.umn.edu

			    ROUND TABLE CONFERENCE

			    Foster City, California


In addition to Chinese dissidents and representatives of Chinese
democracy/human rights organizations in North America, representatives of the
following organizations and/or individuals will also attend the conference
sponsored by the Round Table Alliance on August 23, 1992:

     - Americans from East Central Europe Coordinating Committee
     - National Polish-American Congress
     - Hungarian Freedom Fighters, California Chapter
     - Baltic States World Council
     - San Francisco Office of Croatian Affairs
     - San Francisco Bay Area Bosnians
     - Muslim Community Association
     - Antoni Macierewicz, former Polish Minister of the Interior
     - Democratic presidential candidate Bill Clinton's Northern California
       campaign staff
     - Congressional office of Rep. Nancy Pelosi


Wang Ruo Wang, Fang Lizhi, Harry Wu, and Liu Qing will be the guest speakers.
A host of San Francisco Bay Area Chinese democracy/human rights organizations
are co-sponsoring this conference.  SVDC will help to facilitate the meeting
and provide support for planning, logistics, and public relations.


Ignatius Ding
SVDC Communications
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
From: mcline@terapin.com (Matthew Cline)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.china
Subject: Eveready
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:52:00 GMT
Organization: BBS


        I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but I can't think
of any better place.  I recently bought some stuff made by Eveready, and I just
noticed a marking that said it was made in China (the product in question is a
battery recharger).  Does anyone know if that particular prdouct was made uisng
prison labor?  Thanks in advance.

Matthew Cline
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