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From: perezc@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: image problem?
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:10:42 GMT

In article <ku7l3jINNqrg@girtab.usc.edu>, esperanz@girtab.usc.edu (Michelle Esperanza) writes:
> In article <1992Apr8.183651.1@woods.ulowell.edu> perezc@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
>>	What really pisses me off, (I might be flamed for this) is the
>>fact that those 'nationalist' in the senate, not ratifying the bases
>>agreement.  For all intents and purposes threw thousands of lives into
>>uncertainty.  Are they going to make up for the loss of these people?
>>Heck no, they're just going to recommend that everyone go find a job,
>>say in the Middle East, and take whatever abuse and humiliation that
>>comes with it.  And is our government protecting those people out there?
>>Is this a choice of two evils?
>>
>>Carlos  
> 
> I think the idea behind not ratifying the bases agreement is AUTONOMY -- i.e., 
> even though the Philippines has technically been independent of the U.S. since 1946 (1945?), they were still dependent on the money and "protection" they got 
> from hosting the U.S. military (now I might get flamed for this -- and I, a
> military brat to boot, grew up going to the Navy Commissary in San Diego!  No 
> doubt the gov't is watching me as we speak.).
> 

AUTONOMY?  Am I to believe that Japan and South Korea aren't autonomous
just because they also host US military bases?

I doub't the Philippine gov't is watching as we speak.  That government
isn't even aware that internet exists!  My brother used to work for
a military intelligence agency back in RP, these guys got their 'intelligence'
from magazines like TIME and NEWSWEEK!  

> Certainly the Philippines would like to encourage foreign investment of a, 
> perhaps, less political nature, especially from Japan; of course, the U.S. 
> is not happy about Japanese investment RP, since this would mean an increase
> in Japanese influence (and not American) in RP.
> 
It's highly likely that these senators may have been payed of by countries
like Japan.  I have friends over there and they tell me the Japanese are
ecstatic that the American are leaving.  Now they have less competition.

> I understand RP (or is it PI) is a member of such coalition-building
> orgs as ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) and Southeast Asian 
> Forum for Development Alternatives (a nongovernmental organization); 
> involvement in these will help RP to become interdependent with nations 
> in their region, a la the European Community and the North American Free 
> Trade Agreement.  
> 
Well the ASEAN has been around for years, but there has been very little
cooperation or even trade among these countries.  It seems like just a
venue to pay lip service to unity in the southeast asian region.

>>PS  It seems so scary to post opinions, you just might be eating your words
>>later on.
> 
> Yeah, but don't let this scare you off! :^)
> 
> Michelle
What happened to all those Ka whatever people out there, I expected them
to burn my 'unnationalistic' comments.

Carlos

Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: zumel+@TRURL.TASKS.CS.CMU.EDU (Nina B Zumel)
Subject: Re: Filipino painter in LA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 15:07:44 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: zumel@TRURL.TASKS.CS.CMU.EDU

oops, messed up the first time. Sorry.

I vaguely remember reading once about some supposedly very well-respected
Filipino painter living in Spain. Don't remember who, but this article
about Ocampo reminded me of it. Does anybody know whom I'm talking about?

Just curious.
nina
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 22:03:29 CDT
From: <U52892@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: image problem?

I was in the library looking at some books about the Philippines. You know what
 I found. I saw a book on "People Power" (the coffee table book with lots of pi
ctures about the so-called Miracle of EDSA). In the cover, someone scribble the
se words: People Power:land of prostitutes, filth, poverty, corruption.
     Three months ago, I also saw another book about the Philippines with an ug
ly graffito (singular, right?) on it. It says: Philipppines: go back to your co
untry, you dirty Filipinos.

     Nope, I'm not working in the library. I'm just a simple graduate student
here at UIC - for those not familiar ... that's the University of Illinois at C
hicago.
     I'm not that disturbed.....but I just want to hear some comments since som
e people here are talking about racism and hate crimes......
From: dannya@ESD.3Com.COM (Danny Alvendia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: Filipino Deaths in the Fil_american Conflict
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:51:31 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.filipino
Organization: 3Com Corporation


 I am not sure about the number but 3 million looks like
 too large a number. What was the population at that time?

 Anyway, if you read Swish of the Kris and Jungle Patrol
 by Vic Hurley, you will see how the US utilized Filipinos
 to fight against one another. In Jungle Patrol, the book
 describes the formation of the Philippine Constabulary,
 they were a rag-tag group of men laughed and sneered by
 the US army. The PC was headed by American soldiers and
 had Filipino recruits. Their goal was to tame the "wild"
 secure peace and order, and capture "bandits" and "criminals".
 The bandits and criminals, mostly, were nationalists still
 waging war with the new conquerors, still fighting for 
 freedom. 

 Samar and Mindanao, were the most radical places and the
 ones with the most casualty. The Filipinos had no guns and
 when they fought it was with a bolo and they hid behind tall 
 cogon grass. When the patrol neared, they would charge
 and shout "Tad-tad", this was in Samar. The PC would 
 always be outnumbered but most often always won. You see,
 the Americans accompanying the patrol had rifles and pistols,
 the Filipino PC had only a bolo or at most a musket. The ratio
 of 8:1 dead was not surprising. 5 PC's could annihilate a
 charge of 40 Filipinos. That's where the PC got the slogan
 "Always outnumbered but never outfought". Also, in Mindanao
 the Moros (Muslims) would fight with Kris, barong, or kampilan
 in hand and charge. THe PC had a tough time in in both places
 but still managed to kill and "tame" the islands. Eventually
 the PC's gained the respect of the army and the Philippine
 government, under US rule, and became a part of the taming
 process.

 We Filipinos seem to never stop fighting. We fight amongst
 ourselves and help others (foreigners) to defeat our own
 countrymen. If only we could band together, we would be a 
 force to reckon with.                    

 Just my refund from the IRS, $0.02.

 /Danny
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: teej@aix.rpi.edu (Johannson Jimmy Tee Jr.)
Subject: Re: image problem?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:12:41 GMT

In article <92098.220329U52892@uicvm.uic.edu> <U52892@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>I was in the library looking at some books about the Philippines. You know what
> I found. I saw a book on "People Power" (the coffee table book with lots of pi
>ctures about the so-called Miracle of EDSA). In the cover, someone scribble the
>se words: People Power:land of prostitutes, filth, poverty, corruption.
>     Three months ago, I also saw another book about the Philippines with an ug
>ly graffito (singular, right?) on it. It says: Philipppines: go back to your co
>untry, you dirty Filipinos.
>
>     Nope, I'm not working in the library. I'm just a simple graduate student
>here at UIC - for those not familiar ... that's the University of Illinois at C
>hicago.
>     I'm not that disturbed.....but I just want to hear some comments since som
>e people here are talking about racism and hate crimes......

I am not surprised.  Over here in Troy, New York, one would expect that 
people are open-minded.  In Rensselaer Polytechnic INstitute, a school that 
is often compared with MIT, Caltech, etc.., one would expect students to be
sympathetic to foreign students who enjoy life in the US.  

Personally, I have met Americans who told me bluntly that the reason the 
Philippines is in the situation of underdevelopment is that Filipinos keep
immigrating to the US.  They have no love, no patriotism, and no value of
sacrifice to make the PHilippines a better country.   

Such comments are beginning to be very tiresome and very annoying.  Was not
American built up by immigrants from all over the world?   Howe easily,
these white americans forget this!  (BTW, the americans who made this 
comments were all white.)

I do not know if one would classify this a subtle racism.  Some of my 
friends say that it is not racism but "race critique".  

Racism, hate crimes, are on the rise here in the US.  It has become more
subtle and hidden.  That in itself is a dangerous trend.  

Comments welcome.

JJ
.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: image problem?
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 18:53:22 GMT


In a previous article, teej@aix.rpi.edu (Johannson Jimmy Tee Jr.) says:

>Personally, I have met Americans who told me bluntly that the reason the 
>Philippines is in the situation of underdevelopment is that Filipinos keep
>immigrating to the US.  They have no love, no patriotism, and no value of
>sacrifice to make the PHilippines a better country.   

	I don't doubt that to some extent, excessive immigration
contributes to our underdevelopment (which is not to say that an
individual who immigrates is necessarily irresponsible!  That depends on
his own calling.)

	On the other hand, this does not mean that Filipinos are
disloyal to the homeland.  I will grant, however, that ON THE AVERAGE,
we do have less national pride than, say, the Americans.  Note that I
say "ON THE AVERAGE", as opposed to "in general".

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

  THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: A closed  | "Only Nixon could visit      | Hi, Mom!
       mouth gathers no foot.    | China." - old Vulcan proverb |
From: legaspba@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Benjamin C. Legaspi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: The 1st Amendment and the computer
Date: 16 Apr 92 03:11:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

> From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
> 
> The University of Winconsin had a case like this involving email. The
> district federal court said that it was illegal for a state university
> to punish offensive speech. The full text of this decision is
> available on-line. Access information is enclosed.
> 
  I consulted with a leading expert in this field prior to posting. I am
  not citing his name or login because he gets enough mail as it is, but
  if you are *really* interested, send me mail.

  He tells me that the entire issue of freedom of expression in electronic
  media is a gray area. The issue of freedom of expression itself is not
  black and white, much less as to how it applies to email and bulletin boards.
  Regardless of means,, you cannot freely broadcast matters that are libelous,
  copyrighted or privileged. There are also different degrees of freedom
  associated with different media. If the FCC refuses to grant a license
  to a TV or radio station because the station does not meet its standards,
  that is not viewed as censorship. It is easy to come up with other
  examples: e.g. in the Big 10 and NBA, a coach cannot criticize the 
  referees without risking a fine ... is that not a violation of the 
  1st Amendment? Clearly, one cannot 'say anything he wishes because this 
  is America.'

  With regards to email and posting using University computer accounts,
  the issue is more complex. Whether or not a University has the right to
  withdraw an account depends on the specific circumstances. Are all
  students given an account, or only certain ones for specific reasons?
  What are these reasons? Does the student sign a waiver attesting to the
  fact that the account is to be used only for academics or research?
  Different conditions will produce different interpretations.

  The persons who caused these questions I know have apologized, but the
  debate is still an interesting one. I personally feel that with freedom
  comes the responsibility to use that freedom wisely. This issue was
  slightly complicated by the fact that the postings were made from
  anonymous accounts. Why, even the Purdue Exponent will not publish
  anonymous letters (another violation of freedom of expression???)

  Benjie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: macf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Macario D Feliciano)
Subject: Re: On condoms and Filipino men 
Keywords: huge survey flip penis size 
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 21:25:38 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.183047.28085@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, kyig6809@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kenneth Yerro Ilio ) writes:
|> This bit of news will surely prick the Filipino male ego ... I'm
|> sure I will get flamed for this, but what the hell ...
|>
|> According to a study by the Department of Health on the
|> acceptability of condoms, the most common complaint against their
|> use is their size -- they are too big for the average Filipino.
|> The condoms tested were donated by the United States and the survey
|> was done in close to 2500 outlets in Metro Manila, Cebu and Davao
|> back in 1989.  The DOH AIDS prevention and control program said 
|> that they had to turn down offers by an international agency 
|> because of this reason.  BTW, the issue would not have been
|> blown up had not another group made an offer to donate condoms
|> tailor-made for Asians.
|> Source:  Philippine Daily Globe Feb 14 1992
|> 
|> -- 
|> Kenneth Yerro Ilio
|> Veterinary Biosciences             Life is a foreign language 
|> University of Illinois at          Every man has mispronounced it. 
|>   Urbana Champaign                            -- Carlos Bulosan 

The "flip" survey was a success.  I hope you found the results interesting.
But now there's heated disagreement on Filipino penis sizes.
As such, it would be interesting to find out the mixture of penis sizes 
in this newsgroup.  

For example, how many people in this newsgroup...
  a) have a huge penis
  b) have an average size penis
  c) have a small penis
  d) have a pencil as a penis
  e) have no penis at all

If people are willing, 
	1. Measure yourself with a ruler.
        2. Have a friend of your choice independently verify your measurement.
        3. Choose which category you fit in.

I'll compile the statistics and report back to the newsgroup by April 1st.  
All response by that time will be included in the results.

Finally,

>>> If you haven't already figured it out...
    "THIS IS A JOKE!  THIS IS ONLY A JOKE!! <<<
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 10:28:22 CDT
From: <U30067@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: imelda's campaign

Heard on Philippine Reports (Chicago Ch. 26)... Imelda Marcos is going to with-
draw from the presidential race due to lack of popular support.  Is anyone out
there who can fill us in on the details?  Too bad, it looks like the $300 air-
fare this summer won't be true after all.
It seems that Doy Laurel is the only candidate with no background of graft and
corruption, which he is using very well in his campaign (specially against
Mitra).  More news is appreciated.  Teddy.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: imelda's campaign
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 21:15:25 GMT


In a previous article, teej@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu (Johannson Jimmy Tee Jr.) says:

>It's about time!  Analysts were predicting that Imelda will withdraw soon way during
>January 1992.  It was only a question of time.   

	I considered it a moot point.  It's awfully hard to campaign
from jail.

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

  THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: A closed  | "Only Nixon could visit      | Hi, Mom!
       mouth gathers no foot.    | China." - old Vulcan proverb |
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sunday, 12 Apr 1992 18:29:02 CDT
From: <U30067@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: TEST
 <92101.220357U14540@uicvm.uic.edu>

tsk tsk tsk.  such language... your mouth ought to be washed out with boiled
bayabas leaves to disinfect it.  and anonymous too... this is the second
instance of some foul mouthed <censored> in this group.
teddy p.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: aimee@wpd.sgi.com (Aimee Manosa)
Subject: Re: image problem?
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 20:51:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.135658.1@woods.ulowell.edu>, perezc@woods.ulowell.edu writes:
|> In article <_s4tgkr@rpi.edu>, teej@jec306.its.rpi.edu (Johannson Jimmy Tee Jr.) writes:
|> > 
|> > I think that Filipinos here do care about their country and their culture.  It`s a question
|> > of how far is one willing to go for the benefit of the country.  That can only be answered
|> > by the person himself/herself.  I  think Filipinos here in the US can be useful in  helping
|> > our country.  It just needs some coordination and cooperation.
|> > 
|> Yes, we graduate students need some coordination and cooperation.  I think
|> we can actually start something constructive.  I hope there are more 
|> regular readers out there who would be interested in further exploring
|> this aspect.  The lines are open...

And you can start/help the Philippines, even if you're here.  Check out
your closest consulate for a list of NGOs that are working on helping the
Philippines.

STAC is one of them.  And there are several readers in SCF that are members
of the Bay Area STAC group.  They not only have interest in the computer
field, but they also have Doctors, Bio-chemists, Environmentalists,...

There are several STAC chapters through-out the US...Chicago, Washington,
LA, New York, SF.

And best of all, you don't have to be a graduate student to help. :-)
You can be anyone you want to be as long as you're willing to volunteer
some of your time to a cause!

-- 
Opinions are mine...not SGI's
        ~
Aimee Manosa		aimee@wpd.sgi.com
From: perezc@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: *** "FLIP" SURVEY RESULTS ***
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:00:15 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.214259.20580@leland.Stanford.EDU>, macf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Macario D Feliciano) writes:
> 
> Did my posting on the "flip" survey results get through?
> 
> Or was I just wasting my time?
> 
> Mac

Yep, it did.  I found it interesting though.  

I noticed that you aren't getting any comments posted in response, well
that's life.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 19:59:48 CDT
From: <U30067@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: image problem?
 <1992Apr8.185322.18590@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>

Unfortunately, it's what you call the "brain drain" that's helping a lot to
lift the Philippine economy from recession.  Last year, overseas contract
workers contibuted roughly $4 billion to the economy, and the government is
encouraging this simply because there are no jobs in the country.  Investments,
both local and foreign, are badly needed but people are on a wait and see
attitude because of an unclear political atmosphere.  Too bad, because this
has been a problem since I can remember.  Maybe the next administration will
do a better job at this.  So where are all the talented people?  Abroad because
they can't use their talents back home.  It's a sad situation, but do we have
a choice?  comments are welcome.
teddy.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 01:17:21 CDT
From: <U27876@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: TEST

JUST A FILIPINO GUY TESTING TO SEE IF HE CAN POST SOMETHING.  THANX.
From: eus10@harimanok.ccc.amdahl.com (Jun Soriano)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: LOOKIN' FOR LOVE
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:25:12 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <92100.022328U21729@uicvm.uic.edu> U21729@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>HI EVERYONE.  LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF.  MY NAME IS GREG DEMOS. I'M A GRADUATE
>OF UIC IN PSYCHOLOGY.  I HAVE A KEEN INTEREST IN FILIPINO WOMEN, BECAUSE  THEY
>POSSESS SUCH EXOTIC BEAUTY AND I AM LOOKING TO FIND ONE TO MAKE MY VERY OWN.
>SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SMART, BUT SHE SHOULD BE AROUN 5'2" TO 5'6", AND 20-26
> YEARS OF AGE.  PLEASE CALL ME AT (815)744-1738 IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.


greg, to speed up the process....you should also mention if you are a
US citizen or not.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
From: corill@cats.ucsc.edu (Corill)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: UCSC Pilipino Culture Presentation
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:04:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz


*****  UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA SANTA CRUZ FILIPINO STUDENT ASSOCIATION  *****

	hmmm...a show that could bring
	out the culture and diversity of
	Pilipinos at Santa Cruz...
		They said it can't be done...
		They said it's premature...
		They said we're too unorganized...
			NOT!!!
		
	Yes, folks, it's happening.

	The Pilipino Culture Presentation is kicking it live!!!  On May 1,
	1992, Friday night at 8:00pm at the Cowell Dining Hall, the Filipino
	Student Association and Pagkakaisa Dance Troupe presents "Alay Ko
	Sa Iyo" (My Offering to You).  A night of folk dancing by Pagkakaisa
	Dance Troupe and "Black Harvest", a play about the historical 
	experience of the manongs.  What's a manong?  Well, attend and find out.		See acting and dancing by our very own FSA members.  This is
	our first ever presentation.  So, if you like action, drama, dance
	presentations, or just want to see the ultimate fruit of FSA unity,
	then attend and we'll see you at Alay Ko Sa Iyo.
From: lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU (annette)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: Re: image problem?
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:47:12 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

In article <l=rj70c.kemnitz@netcom.com> kemnitz@netcom.com (Greg Kemnitz) writes:
>In article <1177@bridge2.NSD.3Com.COM> dannya@ESD.3Com.COM (Danny Alvendia) writes:
>>
>>I, too, am getting sick and tired of such comments, JJ. Isn't
>>it human nature to look for a better life? Most Americans that
>>comment like this have little or no concept of hardship and
>>poverty.  
>
>Bull.  My grandfather died of cancer because he had to work for sixty
>hours a week in the fucking chemical factory to keep his family alive.
>And that was only one of his jobs.
>
	At least he had a job.  And, more importantly, just two
	generations later, YOU seem to have escaped the cycle
	of poverty.

>>Last night I watched Boyz N the Hood, they depict poverty and 
>>the life of the unfortunate, mostly blacks. I look at them and
>>see them complain of being poor and yet they can afford cars,
>>guns, live in modest homes, etc... I look back at OUR POOR in
>>the Philippines, they live in shacks near garbage dumps, they
>>wear rags, etc.. they scavenge for food, etc.. totally different
>>from the life in South Central Los Angeles. 
>
>Yeah, yeah, that's right--whatever you see in the movies must represent
>the truth.  You must be a rocket scientist.  I have not seen this movie,
>but in reality, many inner-city youth and rural poor in America go without
>any decent food, and are malnourished as well, and can rarely afford 
>clothes.  PLEASE ENGAGE YOUR BRAIN BEFORE YOU POST!!!!!
>
>I did not see te original post, as I only drop in on this group, but 
>your comments are absurd all by themselves.
>
	I think I 've seen both sides, and I would say that in any
	contest of "our poor are poorer than your poor", the Phil.
	beats the US anytime.  Have you been to the Philippines?
	If not, then I don't see how you can call Danny's comments
	absurd.

	annette
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino