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From: labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Wanted: Romulan Ship Figures
Date: 11 Oct 92 07:46:55 GMT
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
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	Does anyone out there have any Lead Figures of Romulan
Ships? Any of the Ships are fine but I am especially interested in
Bright One Destroyers, Winged Dender Cruisers, and Nova Class
Battleships.  I really don't care if they have been painted or not
but I really want them pretty badly for a fleet I am Building. (I
have a soft side for Romulan ships...) I'll pay about $6.00 - $8.00
for the small ships and $10.00 - $15.00 for the Nova Class BB. The
nove class can be damaged or just parts. ( I can use it for a
carrier or something as well)

	Ryan M. Gill
	labrg@slab.cc.emory.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:20:32 EDT
From: <ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: "TerraWatt"
 <92282.145420ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu> <nbvz=nf@rpi.edu>

In article <nbvz=nf@rpi.edu>, petitc@nuge109.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
says:
>
>In article <92282.145420ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, <ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>|> The Episode was "The Dauphin" I believe. And how's to say how much
>|> powere is required to generate a Terawatt of *SUBSPACE* broadcast energy.
>
>  Well, it certainly doesn't make sense using the Conservation of Energy
>principle to say that it takes LESS than a Terawatt of energy in subspace.
>If anything, I'd think it takes A LOT more, since all of that energy must
>be pushed across the 'subspace threshold' refered to in the TM.
>
>--
>Trust:  A very precious social commodity, due both to high value and terrible
>scarcity.
>MATWDTM:  Mothers Against Teenagers Who Drink Too Much (failed name for MADD)
>
>
My Point exactly.

                 --A.
>
>
From: judson@watserv.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Bio filters in transporters..
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:23:13 GMT

In article <f-1z=+-@rpi.edu> aptev@rs6209.ecs.rpi.edu (cogito ergo sum) writes:
> 
> I was watching a considerably old show from ST-TNG..I belive the name of
> the episode was "Unnatural Causes"..In this episode, they were able to beam  
up only those molecules of Dr.Polanski that had the molecular structure like  
those before she was affected by the old-age virus

I don't think this is correct.  If you remember, Riker and Data went through
her room to find any cells which she left on the Enterprise before going to
the planet.  They then took the molecular structure of those cells and placed
them into the thingy majing and transported Dr. Pulaski, using the old cells
as a pattern buffer.  Thus, they did not selectively pick individual
molecules to beam up.

--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
From: william@cs.arizona.edu (William (Dragon) Hertling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Bio filters in transporters..
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:25:01 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <f-1z=+-@rpi.edu> aptev@rpi.edu writes:
>
>I was watching a considerably old show from ST-TNG..I belive the name of
>the episode was "Unnatural Causes"..In this episode, they were able to beam up only those molecules of Dr.Polanski that had the molecular structure like those before she was affected by the old-age virus..If this works, and it did, wouldn't this be the be
>st bio-filter possible?? This kind of transportation would be foolproof..why does TNG have subsequent where they still beam up individuals with unkown lifeforms if they have the knowhow to beam people??
>
>If this posting seems vague, and confusing - let me know..I would happily try and explain my question..

According to the ST:TNG Tech Manual, they say that transporter technology
was used "improperly" in several episodes. They don't mention episode names,
but I'm sure this is one of them. Basically, what they did was not possible.
The writers just made it up.

Conceivably, many things could be done with the transporters that aren't. 
The technical reason is that there is no way to hold all of the data
neccesary for quantum replication. The actual reason is that writer's
would be constantly using the transporter to save the day, and they don't
want that.

So basically, once again, the people at Paramount are saying "just ignore
that, it never happened, forget it happened."
From: petitc@nuge109.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: "TerraWatt"
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:12:04 GMT
Reply-To: petitc@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

In article <92282.145420ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, <ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> The Episode was "The Dauphin" I believe. And how's to say how much
|> powere is required to generate a Terawatt of *SUBSPACE* broadcast energy.
 
  Well, it certainly doesn't make sense using the Conservation of Energy
principle to say that it takes LESS than a Terawatt of energy in subspace.
If anything, I'd think it takes A LOT more, since all of that energy must
be pushed across the 'subspace threshold' refered to in the TM.

-- 
Trust:  A very precious social commodity, due both to high value and terrible
scarcity.
MATWDTM:  Mothers Against Teenagers Who Drink Too Much (failed name for MADD)
From: asweeney@camelot.sw.stratus.com (Andy Sweeney)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Turbo lift question.
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:41:45 GMT



OK we were shooting the shit and the question came up about
turbolifts. How many are there? How come no one has to
wait for one? And if I'm using one can someone of higher
rank pre-empt(sp) me?

Just once I'd like to see them have to wait for a lift.:-)

Could you email your response I don't get to
read the net that often lately.

Thanks

Andy
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: cosc1871@elroy.uh.edu (92F06787)
Subject: Re: warp overshoot
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 02:17:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.010918.7182@wuecl.wustl.edu>, jhk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Jonathan Howard Krivitzky) writes...
>In article <13OCT199213492342@rosie.uh.edu> cosc1871@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787) writes:
>>>My favorite is in STIV:TVH where Kirk orders Warp velocity for
>>>the Bird of Prey while still flying amongst Earth's clouds.
>>> 
>>>Good thing Sulu, at least, was smart enough to wait. :)
>>
>>Or did he? :)
>>
> >	I hope that didn't add to the distruction of the ozone layer :^>
> 

It would have been a technical delight if they filmed the BOP over the
arctic circle... :)


BTW, What about going into warp next to the starbase in ST3?  Gee, I 
wonder what regulation he broke there? :)

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From: ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sven E. Skoog)
Subject: Re: Klingon Battle Cruisers
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 07:43:16 GMT

While we're on the subject (sorry to cut short any lingering Klingon
musical chairs discussion):

Does anyone know (offhand of course) the relative sizes (crew and dimension)
of a Bird of Prey as opposed to a Battle Cruiser?  Obvious differences 
include the Bird of Prey's ability to cloak, and that gnarly little photon
torpedo port up front, but is there anything else of importance?

I thought that the last I would ever see of the original 'gooseneck' 
Klingon Battle Cruiser was the *Kronos I* of STVI:TUC.  However, I recently
rewatched "The Mind's Eye" (Geordi's brainwashing by Romulans) and saw that
the Enterprise was (in a tense situation) surrounded by two Birds of Prey
(which had, of course, been cloaked all along around the area) and, to my
surprise, an old-fashioned cruiser (called a D-cruiser?  My memory fails
me from the FASA role-playing and battle simulation games but I'll probably
get into trouble for citing non-canon material so I should stop now).

Ambassador Gorkin is assigned to (the flagship, perhaps?) the *Kronos I*
Whereas Chang is given command of the prototype "fire-while-cloaked" Bird
of Prey.  This leads to the questions again of superiority versus tradition
and why Gorkin would be given a (supposedly) older vessel.  (Or, for that
matter, why the flagship for the Klingon Empire would be a supposedly older
vessel.)

One might note the symbolic references and similarities in Klingon language
which links all their technology under the category of attack capability:

"Choa Chu!"  -- Beam me up (fire transporter beam)
"Choa Chi!"  -- Photon away (fire torpedo)

(These are *not* from the Klingon Dictionary but instead from STIII:TSFS.)

And what of other function-specific Klingon vessels?  Scout ships (for
greater stealth than Birds of Prey)?  Surely the Klingon technology must
warrant *some* greater diversity of ship than what we have seen.

Or maybe they just all look the same.  (Heh.)

=============================================================================
  
  "Riker to Bridge."
  "Go ahead, Number One."			Riker after being turned on
  "I'll be in Holodeck Three
   if you need me..."                           in "The Perfect Mate"

   =======================================================================

                               Sven Skoog
			       ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
			       University of Illinois C-U

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From: hsiao@omaha.eel.ufl.edu (Jerry Hsiao)
Subject: a question ...
Reply-To: scot@sioux.ee.ufl.edu
Organization: UF EE Department
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 19:37:32 GMT

I always wondered, now whenever there's a nasty disease or some bad plague going around. Why don't the people in the Federation grab some of those plants in TOS that spat out pollen and made you feel real good, but healed you completely? I do recall that the planet that the plants were on was bathed in some nasty radiation and the plants kept them (the colonists) alive for years. The plants also regenerated human tissue also (some guy's appendix was taken out and he got another one or something like that).





 It seems to me that the Dr. Crusher wouldn't be needed that often if they just had a bunch of these plants in some room were the radiation was keeping them alive, and having them spew on some injured person. Then after they healed, all they had to do was piss 'em off or have their girlfriend break up with 'em. That ought to do it.

Go figure. Seems they only selectively "remember" stuff from TOS in TNG.

Also, there's another gripe i have. Maybe it has already been covered. But does anyone realize that the electronic game in "The Game" from TNG is like the best drug in the cosmos. Think of it. It's a great drug, there's a fast and easy cure, and THERE IS NO WITHDRAWAL! I mean it's better than the holodeck. I know there's the little matter of the hypnotic suggestion. But all you have to do is convert a bunch of holding cells into "pleasure cells", go in, turn on the force field, and slip on the game. When y





ou have to go back to work the officer in charge just shines a flickering flashlight in your face and you're done. 

So here we have, the perfect medical cure-all, and the perfect drug. What a future!

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From: dread@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Dread)
Subject: Re: "TerraWatt"
Organization: The Realm of Dread
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:11:27 GMT

In article <BvtB58.HAH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cap36406@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Carlos A. Pero) writes:
>lidz@quads.uchicago.edu (adam lidz) writes:
>
>
>The episode in question was "The Masterpiece Society" where the Enterprise
>is tracking a VERY dense piece of a star of something, and it is coming in
>close proximity of an enclosed, genetically engineered society on a planet
>which was supposedly uninhabited.
>
>Anyway, the technical part was that by reinforcing the dome surrounding the
>structure and employing a "multi-phase" tractor beam, invented by a female
>engineer in the society, to alter the course of the star chunk, the society
>would be spared destruction. The power required was in the Terawatt range, 
>and the society was not capable of the power, but the Enterprise was, so
>together they did move the chunk and they all lived happily ever after.
>

No, I think he was referring to the episode (don't recall the name) with the
girl who weasly (spit, ack) falls for is this creature who can change form.
She is protected by a guardian, like herself. When they reach the destination,
the interference of the planet prevents them from comminicating with the
planet. The planet however was able to send them a message 'cause they
had the massive power source. They gave beam down coordinates. Pretty boring
episode.


-- 
--
Dread				      (Richard Robinson, Univ of Mass, Amherst)
dread@titan.ucc.umass.edu	      "There is no right, there is only power!"
					     "Kill them, kill them all!"
From: lawson@ecst.csuchico.edu (M. Todd Lawson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Scotty's Trip
    
   Minor Spoiler!!
Date: 15 Oct 1992 18:58:13 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu

    Here's one,

     If Barclay was able to see the things in the beam, that shows he
   was aware of time during the transporting process.  Scotty was in the
   beam for 75 years and not aware of time. Huh? 
Keywords: 


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916-343-0759   California State University, Chico. Computer Engineering Dept.
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From: lidz@quads.uchicago.edu (adam lidz)
Subject: "TerraWatt"
Reply-To: lidz@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:36:20 GMT

Out of curiosity, does anyone remeber the episode of TNG where they mention thatthey can't do something (Sorry, I forget what), and that a planet could because
it required a "TerraWatt" of power, which was too much for the Enterprise to
produce?  Isn't there something wrong there?  A Terra-Watt is not too much, and
if you consider how hard it should be to produce it in the 24th Cent, there is
a problem.  It should be EASY to produce it on a ship the size of the Enterprise!  The lights alone on something that big probably require a TerraWatt of power!(1 Million Light bulbs = 1 TerraWatt, so that might be a slight exageration, but. . . )
(And they probably have more efficent light, as well, but still a TerraWatt isn't that much!)

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: goltz@mimi.uu.net (James P. Goltz)
Subject: Re: Within the Transporter Beam (Realm of Fear)
	<1992Oct9.130229.28285@news2.cis.umn.edu>,<Bw0zvJ.9Gp@ulowell.ulowell.edu>
	<1992Oct14.165705.21272@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>
Organization: UUNET Technologies, Inc.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:30:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.165705.21272@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> baylor@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:

   Why would you store a criminal? By definition he won't be changed when
   he comes out of it -- he'll still be a criminal, and he won't have
   experienced any inconvnience to convince him to change his ways.
   He won't even have any time to think about how to avoid prison.
   (With the possibility he could decide that not committing a
   crime might work.)

  In "A World Out Of Time", Larry Niven postulated (in a subplot) a
stasis-field prison (the "zero-time jail") for the purpose of
"storing" unique criminals, those whose actions, while illegal, made
them potentially valuable in the future.  The only example given was
someone who had been sentenced to dive a ramship into the black hole
in the center of the galaxy, and had flown close but hadn't gone in.
On her return some 70,000 years later, they decided that she was still
a criminal, albeit a unique one, and so put her in storage.

 None of which has anything to do with STTNG.  More digression:
Niven's "The Theory and Practice of Teleportation" has some
interesting speculation on duplication of teleported persons.

  Obligatory Star Trek thing:  ever think maybe the Enterprise is a
study in redundancy gone awry?  Is there anyplace on the ship you
*can't* take control of everything?  Is there any power source (warp
engines, impulse engines) that can't be patched into any power sink
(shields, environ control, computer, etc.)?

--


	--Jim
---
Jim Goltz                    AlterNet Engineer               goltz@uunet.uu.net
From: Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Transporters as Weapons- Why not?
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:50:59 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu


 Unfortunatly, the shields prevent the passing of transporter energies.
You have got a good idea going. One ST:TNG episode, I can't remember
which one it was, made use of an interdimensional transport device. The
ITD consisted of a base unit and armbands ofr the users. While you cant
use this devise against personell without armbands, it would make an
excellent weapons delivery system. Shields would not stop it because
they are not interdimensional. Just think, a photon torpedo with this
device could be transported directly into the M/ARA of an enemy ship.

P.S. Just what is a Porche doing in the main shuttle bay?


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From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Distance in the Holodecks
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:26:13 GMT
Organization: NetCom- Cheaper than Compu$erve (isnt everything, though?)

In article <lsloan.718746014@nova> lsloan@nova.gmi.edu (Lance Sloan) writes:
>cap36406@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Carlos A. Pero) writes:
>
>>I have a question regarding spatial relationships in the holodeck. I don't
>>have any of the tech manuals for the show, and I've only seen a few episodes
>>address how the holodeck works. So hopefully, someone out there can explain
>>this to me.
>
>>In "Encounter at Farpoint", Data demonstrates the mechanics of the holodeck
>>to Riker by throwing a rock at the wall. I believe he then babbles something
>>about the illusion of distance how the holodeck allows movement, or something
>>to that effect.
>
>>Fine. I can understand the holodeck would somehow "move" the occupant
>>backwards in the room (if walking a great distance) so that they do not
>>collide with the physical walls of the holodeck. Probably by shifting the
>>holodeck-controllable ground like a treadmill. But what would happen if
>>two people were in the holodeck simultaneously, and walked apart from each
>>other a distance greater than the actual confines of the room? Would they just
>>be a set distance and the holodeck somehow fool their vision to make them
>>appear farther away?
>
>Souds reasonable to me.  I think the holodeck would create some sort of
>lenses and/or prisms to give the illusion of distance.  These lenses
>would appear between the two people.
>
>Or, the computer could "cloak" the two people and draw holograms of them
>on the walls at a great distance away.
>
>Lance Sloan
>lsloan@nova.gmi.edu

Yeah, but what if the two people walking in opposite directions were each
holding one end of a rope known to be longer than the width of the holodeck?
The distance illusion would be killed because the rope would never tighten.
-- 
Bruce James Robert Linley | 
Comp Sci & Engr, UCLA     | "Trust me, I know what I'm doing."   - Sledgehammer
<linley@netcom.com>       |
From: g92n3258@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR RL NICOL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: NTSC vs PAL
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:19:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: giraffe.g92n3258.43.719090378
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

This hasn't got much to do with Star Trek technology, but more with 
technology a little closer to home.

I have about nine tapes which are PAL, but have American Star Trek episodes 
on the tapes and therefore they only work on the NTSC machines.  Here in SA 
we are using the PAL system and so I can't watch them.

Does anyone know if there is a way to convert them CHEAPLY from NTSC to 
PAL?  If not, does anyone know what the problem is and why one can't merely 
tape-to-tape from one NTSC video machine to a PAL video machine (I tried to 
get it to work for three hours today)?

Thanks.
Ryan.
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From: bmacke@nyx.cs.du.edu (Brian Macke)
Subject: Re: "TerraWatt"
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 01:40:37 GMT

lidz@quads.uchicago.edu (adam lidz) writes:

>Out of curiosity, does anyone remeber the episode of TNG where they ment
on thatthey can't do something (Sorry, I forget what), and that a planet 
ould because
>it required a "TerraWatt" of power, which was too much for the Enterpris
 to
>produce?  Isn't there something wrong there?  A Terra-Watt is not too mu
h, and
>if you consider how hard it should be to produce it in the 24th Cent, th
re is
>a problem.  It should be EASY to produce it on a ship the size of the En
erprise!  The lights alone on something that big probably require a Terra
att of power!(1 Million Light bulbs = 1 TerraWatt, so that might be a sli
ht exageration, but. . . )
>(And they probably have more efficent light, as well, but still a TerraW
tt isn't that much!)

A Terrawatt of Electricity is very different then a terrawatt of Sound.

If you imagine a Jet inside a hangar with a 10 metre by 12 metre door,
with the jet producing 120 dB of sound, and if there were a way to
efficently convert sound wattage into electrical wattage, this energy
would not even beigin to light up a 60 watt light bulb. So if this wattage
were in sound wattage, then you're looking at the decibel force of...
 
*gets out handy-dandy HP Calc*

Okay, let's assume this energy stream you saw in the show was 10 metres
square in area. THe conversion is 230 dB of sound. That may not sound like
a lot, but the threshold of pain is 120 dB, and this is logarythmic scale.
Which means that the sound created by this stream is... 1 * 10^9th more
powerful than a jet engine. 


You see how much power this is now...