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From: stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: MARS
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:38:00 GMT
Organization: AUS
Originator: news@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu

In article <BvpvxJ.42L@exnet.co.uk>, s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:

> >any planet in its fall to be weak and ineffectual. The problem exists in attempting
> >to live the energy of a planet and sign that are incompatible.
> 
>   Mars in capricorn means that the energy of mars is used effectively.  It is
> not dissipated or frittered away.  Mars in cancer means that the energy shoots
> in all directions and is not constructively directed (aspects and houses 
> willing)
> >
> >I have Mars in Cancer, and it IS a pain in the ass. The absolute, most important
> >thing to learn about it is to let it be. Mars in Cancer can't make a move until
> >it FEELS that it's OK to do so, which is totally antithetical to the nature of Mars.
> 
> Mars stopped by emotion.  You are just proving my point.
> >
> >I also do NOT believe that planets in retrograde are weak. In fact, they sometimes
> >can become overpowering because the energy is turned INWARD and is no longer
> >externalized. Well, the whole point of looking at a chart is to become conscious
> 
> Try Yoga or counselling.  The whole point of charts is to find things out.  Not
> just psychic stuff but real stuff that gets in the way.  If the energy of a 
> planet is turned inwards it is only *effective* on you.  If something (anything)
> can only effect one person/object I personally do not call it strong.
> 
> >
> >As a final comment, would you REALLY tell a client that a planet they had was in its
> >fall? How useless! Why not tell them instead the problems and benefits of a planet in
> >a sign and to learn to love it, coz it's all they have. 
> >
> 
> You do not go to a dentist to be lied to.  
> Good news astrologers are like dentists who never give fillings.
> The purpose of astrology is so that we know the effects of the stars and can
> handle them and counter them.  Its not all they have,ever heard of free will?
> 
> >Actually, you couldn't pay me to have a Mars in Aries. :-)
> >
> >Stacey
> 
> I have Mars in Libra.  Having seen Mars in Capricorn in action I will swap
> it any day.
> 
> Xavier
> 
> 

Don't agree and don't buy it. A Cancer mars is NOT stopped by emotion. It operates
on intuition, timing, and a large safety factor. I used to believe astrology
was supposed to teach us to "handle them and counter them" (the aspects, etc.) I 
don't believe that anymore. It's a waste of time & energy, because you spend your 
life fighting the energies you were born with (and chose, I might add), trying to
live something that's not within you. I can't make my mars into any other sign, so I
sure as hell better learn to love it and integrate it. 

And as far as I'm concerned, if you want to trade yours, you haven't learned to
appreciate it yet. Or that part of yourself.

Stacey
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: MARS
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:17:47 GMT

s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:
>
>Cancer Mars is definitly weakened.  Think about your own words.  You can only
>use Mars when it *feels* right.  It works on a large  *safety* factor.  It
>operates on *intuition*.  Come on.  Who are you trying to kid.  Where is the
>martial confidence?  Where is the bravery? Where is the rashness.  It's not
>there is it?  Even your statement that attempting to fight the influence of the
>stars is a waste of time is *typical* of a weak Mars. 

I wonder if you have had a person with Mars in Cancer angry with you.
Weakened - pfui. Mars is Mars.

>I don't mean to knock you,  we all have to feel good about ourselves in way or
>another, but pretending that white is black and black is white just does not
>work.

Did Stacey say it was *great*? Just that since she can't change it,
might as well figure out how to put it to the use it seems best fitted for.

>As for my Mars in Libra....It has made me hamdsome,socialable and (believe
>it or not) charming.  Just imagine how much *more* I could get done if it was 
>in Capricorn?  All this fluctuating energy......Argh.  You see for all it is
>in detriment and for all I like it I still see how a situation could be better.

Maybe whatever Mars in Libra prefers, is what you should look at doing well.
I don't know your chart and how Mars fits into it, but the point is to
integrate it with the rest of what's happening there. I have Mars in Sag -
it blows around all over the place and gets in a lot of trouble. Getting
things done is more a matter of teaching it how to behave. So teaching a
Mars in Libra to come through for you will have to teach *you* something in
the doing of it.

>Mars in Cancer is ineffectual.  Accept it that and you might really have
> accepted your Mars.

By that token, Sun in Cancer is ineffectual too. Are Cancers ineffectual,
for being Cancers?
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From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: grand cross
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 07:50:13 GMT

Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan) writes:
>  For me it broke up the grand cross on this list in which the players are
>Casper the ghost and the Dynamic duo - what a miasma! It's like being in a
>boxing ring with one fighter ducking with cold Saturnian judgements and the
>other dripping Leo/Aqu arrogance. 

My, my, we're forming cliques!

I'm a lot more resilient than you give me credit for, Carol. I think if you
assess to whom I've said what and how, you'd see I adapt. Maybe the one
worst thing to do is close doors and lock them.

Astrology and psychology go hand in hand these days. Both are sciences
dedicated to enhancing self-awareness. I believe it'd be better to refer
to me in the first person, then I feel I have responsibility to you.

The only way to solve "us versus them" is to integrate us & them.
I don't know anything about you to insult you with, but I can point out
that the above characterization is negative and flameable - would it hurt
your feelings if I characterized it as arrogant and judgemental?

Nasty as I am, I know I'm nasty. That's not a bad place to start. :)
-ecsd
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From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich)
Subject: Re: General Characterstics Based On Sun Signs
Organization: Vision Graphics
			  Dover, NH
			  USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:45:17 GMT
Reply-To: morwyn.uucp!forrie@unhtel.unh.edu (Forrest Aldrich - SysAdmin)

From article <1992Oct14.155124.164775@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>,
mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au has written:
+--------------------
| senthils@netcom.com (Senthil Sankarappan) writes:
| >        LIBRA (Sept 23 - Oct 22)
| >You are the artistic type and have a difficult time with reality.  If
| >you are a man, you are more than likely gay.  Chances for employment
| >and monetary gains are excellent.  Most Libra women are prostitutes.
| >All Libra people die of Venereal disease.
| 
| Great interpretation here. Seriously though anyone know of
| astrological indications of sexuality?
+--------------------

	::Chuckle::  I know 2 males (Libra) who are indeed 'gay'.  The last
	sentence in this interpretation is obviously sickly wrong.  

+--------------------
| >        CAPRICORN (Dec 23 - Jan 19)
| >You are conservative and afraid of taking risks.  You don't do much of
| >anything and are lazy.  There has never been a Capricorn of any
| >importance.  Capricorns should avoid standing still for too long as
| >they take root and become trees.
| 
| The others are funny, this one is just wrong. Capricorns are
| anything but lazy.
+--------------------

	As a fellow Capricorn, I'll second that Capricorns are anything but
	lazy.  Indeed... where did this guy scrape up these interpretations?
	Perhaps from Ruth Montgomery? |-)

	Forrest
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From: praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: another case study in hatefulness by the "open-minded"
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:00:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.134411.164758@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au writes:
>symbols. Since you refuse to understand its symbols you can
>not sensibly take part in the discussion and you can not
>make a personal determination of its validity.

Back to that again?  If you are working with a system and want to create
theories yes you need to understand (well not really but it helps an awful
lot).  However, for black box testing you don't need to know diddly.  In the
case of astrology; it continues to fall flat on its face in study after study.
  The problem is that there has never been any sort of progression.  If it
was science you would expect to see studies and anaysis to show that using
blah-blah-blah instead of yuk-yuk-gumbo gives a higher correlation.  However,
there has been no such trend.  Nobody has proven that there is any influence
that can be accorded to the sun, moon, quasars ...  Worse yet astrologers 
claim that the effects are small and you have to work with the sum of them
all.  Of course these small effects are ever so obivous (the evidence must
be positively overwealming considering the emotions involved) and yet nothing
of any significance can be measured.  When certain planets were missing from
the charts nobody reported erronous charts and predicted missing bodies.  In
short that has been no progression, no checks no nothing.  It is fantasy
that is unfounded in any scientific circles.  And as I have said before it is
all pretty well explainable by several psychologic phenomena.
  So stop with this useless bickering.  If you are going to claim that 
astrology has any basis in science  then show that there are correlations at
the least.  Then you can work on theories.  However, at this point there have
not been any significant correlations and nothing has been achieved in hundreds
of years of "observations".  It seems so strange that the obivous in this
case can not be measured.  But then it is easily explained by psychology.
Several studies have already shown that given a chart interperations people
will say 95% of the time that it agrees with them perfectly; even if interp-
erations are reversed.  Add in cold reading phenomena and you have a self
contained universe that is self proving (ie people agree with their charts
and astrologers think that that is "evidence" of the correctness of their
methods).
  Evidence?  I will not bother to hold my breath even if I could hold it for
500 years.
  - Eric
From: mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: another case study in hatefulness by the "open-minded"
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:44:10 GMT
 <1992Oct2.192952.8979@u.washington.edu> <6360@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> 
 <1992Oct6.225136.13558@u.washington.edu> <7OCT199202095805@vxcrna.cern.ch>

casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:

>(sigh).  Categorized, generalized, and stereotyped again.  Synopsis of typical
>exchange with an astrologer here:

>Astrologer: Astrology does X.

>Me: Why do you believe astrology does X?

>Astrologer: I have seen for myself that astrology does X.

>Me: I would like to determine for myself whether astrology does X.

>Astrologer: You cannot determine whether astrology does X.  ****

>Me: But you claim to have determined that astrology does X.

>Astrologer:  Boy, are you ever close-minded.  Go somewhere else. &%*^%!@#!

While I find this amusing, I think it subtley misrepresents things
at the point marked ****. Most people have said that you can
not understand astrology unless you learn its language of
symbols. Since you refuse to understand its symbols you can
not sensibly take part in the discussion and you can not
make a personal determination of its validity.

As a frenchman, you would probably be aware of semiotics.
When I asked my lecturer  what was semiotics she replied
"What is physics?, what is chemistry?". The point is that
you must enter the system to understand what it is.

You would tend to argue that wine has a fixed meaning, but
the myths you associate with wine in France are distinctly
different from those in Australia. For instance on being
shown and Australian wine advertisement one of my french
lecturers said, they're not wine makers, they're chemists!

Similarly, you are not joining in the debate at all, you a
just arguing along a tangent at what you think we have said
rather than what we actually mean.

Michael
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Date: 16 Oct 92 17:52:26 GMT
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From: mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: another case study in hatefulness by the "open-minded"
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:45:56 GMT
 <1992Oct12.134411.164758@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> <Bw2Ht4.7C3@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>

praetzel@marconi.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel) writes:

>In article <1992Oct12.134411.164758@dstos3.dsto.gov.au> mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au writes:
>>symbols. Since you refuse to understand its symbols you can
>>not sensibly take part in the discussion and you can not
>>make a personal determination of its validity.

>Back to that again?  If you are working with a system and want to create
>theories yes you need to understand (well not really but it helps an awful
>lot).  However, for black box testing you don't need to know diddly.  In the
>case of astrology; it continues to fall flat on its face in study after study.
This is precisely the same kind of tangential argument I was
refering to. Because astrology is a system discipline there
can be no such thing as complete block box testing.

>  The problem is that there has never been any sort of progression.  If it
>was science you would expect to see studies and anaysis to show that using
>blah-blah-blah instead of yuk-yuk-gumbo gives a higher correlation.
It is not a science, but there is a lot of new theories that
come up and are tested in an experiencial rather than
control experiment sort of way and only those found useful
survive.

>[Deleted all sorts of stuff demonstrating Maggie was right]

>  Evidence?  I will not bother to hold my breath even if I could hold it for
>500 years.
If you really believe this, and I am not doubting that you
do, why do you expect to find the evidence in this
newsgroup, why are you here holding your breath?

>  - Eric 
Michael
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From: okabe@unixg.ubc.ca (Ian Okabe)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Jupiter enters Libra tomorrow !!!
Date: 10 Oct 1992 02:46:11 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: kynok.ucs.ubc.ca
Keywords: Jupiter, Libra

In article <1992Oct10.001046.17016@u.washington.edu> astrolog@byron.u.washington.edu (Walter D. Pullen) writes:
>
>At precisely 6:47am PDT (that's 9:47am EDT for you on the East coast
>or 1:47pm GMT) Jupiter leaves Virgo and enters Libra!

stuff deleted.

My sun is in Virgo and moon is in Libra. So what should I expect from
this big event?
From: senthils@netcom.com (Senthil Sankarappan)
Subject: General Characterstics Based On Sun Signs
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:48:23 GMT


        ARIES (Mar 21 - Apr 19)
You are the pioneer type and hold most people in contempt.  You are
quick tempered, impatient, and scornful of advice.  You are not very
nice.



        TAURUS (Apr 20 - May 20)
You are practical and persistent.  You have a dogged determination and
work like hell.  Most people think you are stubborn and bull headed.
You are a Communist.



        GEMINI (May 21 - June 20)
You are a quick and intelligent thinker.  People like you because you
are bisexual.  However, you are inclined to expect too much for too
little.  This means you are cheap.  Geminis are known for committing
incest.



        CANCER (June 21 - July 22)
You are sympathetic and understanding to other people's problems.  They
think you are a sucker.  You are always putting things off.  That's why
you'll never make anything of yourself.  Most welfare recipients are
Cancer people.



        LEO (July 23 - Aug 22)
You consider yourself a born leader.  Others think you are pushy.  Most
Leo people are bullies.  You are vain and dislike honest criticism.
Your arrogance is disgusting.  Leo people are thieves.



        VIRGO (Aug 23 - Sept 22)
You are the logical type and hate disorder.  This nitpicking is
sickening to your friends.  You are cold and unemotional and sometimes
fall asleep while making love.  Virgos make good bus drivers.



        LIBRA (Sept 23 - Oct 22)
You are the artistic type and have a difficult time with reality.  If
you are a man, you are more than likely gay.  Chances for employment
and monetary gains are excellent.  Most Libra women are prostitutes.
All Libra people die of Venereal disease.



        SCORPIO (Oct 23 - Nov 21)
You are shrewd in business and cannot be trusted.  You will achieve the
pinnacle of success because of your total lack of ethics.  Most Scorpio
people are murdered.



        SAGITTARIUS (Nov 22 - Dec 21)
You are optimistic and enthusiastic.  You have a reckless tendency to
rely on luck since you lack talent.  The majority of Sagittarians are
drunks or dope fiends or both.  People laugh at you a great deal.



        CAPRICORN (Dec 23 - Jan 19)
You are conservative and afraid of taking risks.  You don't do much of
anything and are lazy.  There has never been a Capricorn of any
importance.  Capricorns should avoid standing still for too long as
they take root and become trees.



        AQUARIUS (Jan 20 - Feb 18)
You have an inventive mind and are inclined to be progressive.  You lie
a great deal.  On the other hand, you are inclined to be careless and
impractical, causing you to make the same mistakes over and over
again.  People think you are stupid.



PISCES (Feb. 19 to Mar. 20)
Take the high road, look for the good things, carry the
American Express card and a weapon.  The world is yours today,
as nobody else wants it.  Your mortgage will be foreclosed.
You will probably get run over by a bus.




    ....    from fortune database
vs senthilkumar
From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: nancy reagan (Sirius conjunct part of fortune)
Date: 10 Oct 1992 18:42:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tedrick@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Tom Tedrick) says:

><Yes, this is definitely a more Sirius note, no pun intended!! And the
><significance of 13Can for those interested is that that's the degree
><of the star Sirius, the brightest star in our sky. Every Independence
><day, we have Sun Conjunct Sirius. 

Not for long, though, due to the precession of the equinoxes... 
Exercise left to the reader: exactly how far apart from conjunction was
the Sun from Sirius then, and how much today...?

Tony Alicea
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From: mjp@itd.dsto.gov.au
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: MARS
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:15:01 GMT

cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette) writes:


>Well ladies, I must say, for a newie on the net I'm finding it
>really fascinating! As for Mars let me say as an Aries with (gasp)
>Mars in Aries, it really isn't so bad. Of course Mars is working 
>thru Virgo asc. with Neptune conj. asc. Gee, maybe it's worse than
>I thought! Of course Mercury in Pises along with Saturn and Venus
>makes a difference too.

And gents too please :-)
Linda, try Sun conj Venus conj Nept conj Asc in Scorpio
Mars conj Pluto conj Uranus in virgo.
Chiron conj Saturn in Pisces
and Midheaven conj Jupiter in Leo.

Interesting times ahead.

Look forward to hearing more from you Linda, I have a lot to
learn also.

Michael
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From: wincerw@shrvsun1.cc.purdue.edu (Bill Wincer)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Chart interpretation
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:08:39 GMT
Organization: Purdue University


    Hi, I was just recently introduced to astrology.  I was given a couple of
sun sign personality guides, and decided to flip through what it had to say 
about me.  Well, pretty shockingly, it was extremely accurate.  This really
hit me because it was telling me stuff about myself that I never tell anyone,
and yet this general book knew more about me than my friends and family.  Well,
in these books it said that these interpretations were general at best because
it only used one factor (the sun) to determine a person`s personality; while to
get a more precise interpretation, one would have to include many other factors.
Since this was only supposed to be general and it described me that well, I
thought that a complete reading would probably be incredibly accurate.  I`m
thinking about studying astrology if this interpretation does actually prove
that there is something behind it, but I won't rule out coincidence until I have
this complete interpretation done.  What I was wondering was do any of you know
where I can have a birth chart interpretation done around the Purdue area, or
if anyone out there would care to mail me an interpretation thereof.  As I said
I am interested and would like to begin studying astrology but I want to find 
out if it would just be a waste of time or if there is actually something to it.
Oh yeah, my birth info is:
                     birth date:  November 4, 1974
                     birth place:  Bangkok, Thailand
                     birth time:  11:35 am 
I guess this is enough info to do a chart interpretation, but if more is needed
please e-mail me.  Any response would be greatly appreciated.
                                                                --Thanks,
                                                                  Bill
Date: Thursday, 8 Oct 1992 12:14:04 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Full Moon
 <1992Oct5.183814.16261@u.washington.edu>
 <1992Oct8.093820.164738@dstos3.dsto.gov.au>

regarding "this does not explain the dramatic and statistically significant
increase in suiciedes (sic) at this time."

no, but this does: there is none.

by saying "statistically significant" you imply that you've seen statistics
backing this effect.  please show them.  every "statistical study" which
has been done to show the effect of the full moon has, if shown to actual
statisticians, been shown to be total statistical bunk.

for example, many studies at first seem to show an effect of the full moon,
until you realize that the time period studied fell in a period when a
greater than normal portion of the full moons fell on weekends.  accidents
et al are always higher on weekends.

for another example, there have been studies which have used "statistical"
methods which have absolutely no backing in reality... when the data is
re-analyzed using true statistical techniques, any corollation between
the full moon and suicides, accidents, fires, homocides, or people standing
on their heads or whatever just vanishes.


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