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From: v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned for all time...)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE REAL MIDSEASON PRO BOWL SELECTIONS-------AFC
Date: 18 Nov 92 07:03:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov15.013739.96999@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN) writes...
>In article <Bxoxuv.516@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v073pzuy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Damned
> for all time...) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov13.183432.3664@ncsu.edu>, jimarcey@eos.ncsu.edu (JOEL IAN
>>       MARCEY) writes...
>>
>>>SPECIAL TEAMS
>>>a. punter
>>>   Ron Stark (Colts) ----I suppose. I don't care who criticzes me about him
>>>                              ....all I know is that he is consistent
>>
>>I'd have to give Reggie "Hang Time" Roby the nod here, myself...
>>
>>>b. place kicker
>>>   Nick Lowery (Chiefs) ----superbly accurate
>>
>>Not this year, by my count.  Personally, as I see it (and yes, this might be
>>bias showing through), Steve Christie is the man in the AFC.  Or Stoy, maybe
>>(Pete Stoyanavich of the Dolphins, for those who didn't know)--but that PAT
>>miss against the Colts really hurt my opinion of him.
> 
>I can't believe you guys are neglecting the most obvious man for the job.
>Gary Anderson of the STEELERS is the teams leading scorer, ranked 19th in NFL
>history and 4th among active players in that category.  He is third in the NFL
>in accuracy, trailing only Morten Anderson and Nick Lowery.  I could accept
>Lowery ahead of him, but if he's having a bad year then Anderson is the man
>for the job.

Look.  Stoyanovich is leading the AFC in scoring among kickers.  Christie is
second.

Not to take anything away from Gary Anderson--one hell of a kicker, and had the
Bills not let him go all those years ago...--*but*, Stoy and Christie are the
men for the job.

AND OH WHAT A KICK!!!  54 YARDS, AND ROOOOOOOOOOOM TO SPARE!!!

>Tom Schmidlin       DEEP THOUGHTS: By Jack Handey - I wish a robot would
>TES0@LEHIGH.EDU         get elected president.  That way, when he came
>215-758-0875            to town, we could all take a shot at him and not
>                        feel too bad.

					---Chet Zeshonski
From: curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:28:26 GMT
Distribution: usa

From article <1992Nov14.220549.12953@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, by lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor):

Mike: the best of the NFC is clearly superior to what the AFC offers.  As
Me: Yes, quite.  The best of the NFC is clearly superior to what the NFC offers.
Ed: OK, so you are just saying that "the best of the NFC is clearly
     superior to the best of AFC", 

Then we are in perfect agreement that SuperBowl victories do not 
demonstrate any supposed "NFC superiority" at the conference level.  
The phrase "NFC superiority" is just a convenient abbreviation for 
"it is a mere coincidence that the best team just happens to be from 
the NFC."

> I mean, the NFC superiority is a musical chair: Bears, 49ers, Giants, 
> Redskins. Why can't any AFC team join the fearsome foursome?

Here Ed sneaks in the catch phrase "NFC superiority,"  a spurious tactic.
I trust he is using it in its abbreviated sense.  

So why hasn't a superior team come from the AFC?  
A superior team must come from some conference.  I claim that it 
is merely coincidental that they happen to have come from the NFC in 
recent years.  To claim that it is other than coincidence requires 
proving something like "the NFC (a purely on paper categorization) 
naturally produces superior teams because X."  The burden of proof, 
showing what X is, falls to those who wish to show such a correlation.  
No such proof has been given, nor do I think it likely that the mere
fact of being in the NFC (an arbitrary division of teams) entails
such superiority or is even a contributing factor to superiority.

It is undeniable that, by and large, the best team over the past 8 years
happens to have been an NFC team, but this is the strongest statement
one can make based purely on SuperBowl wins and losses.

Curtis Dyreson
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles starting quarterback
Date: 22 Nov 1992 01:18:40 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <Ef3e3nW00WBN02wq4m@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Calvin D. Swartzentruber" <cs6t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Yes, his record is fairly well against the Giants.  However, the way
>he's been playing recently, I wouldn't trust him to beat the _____(you


Randall's career record against the New York Giants is 5-7.

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From: Fil Sapienza <Fil.Sapienza@med.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Lions QB situation [question]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:17:55 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Hospital - Surgery Technology
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From: Robert Newby, 3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU
In article <92322.1031043ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Robert Newby,
3ZASIB3@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU writes:
>Kramer will be starting Sunday.  Too bad, it seems Rodney has been fall
guy
>for some lousy play and offensive coaching that is incomprehensible. 
Rodney
>has played well but unfairly criticized by the fans and some media.  The
>problem with the Lions is that they are a lousy franchise.  Russ Thomas
lives.
>If you don't believe it check the "JRT" patch on their uniforms.  Rodney
>said as much when he blasted the front office for not acquiring OL in the
>off-season.  As a 17-year season ticket holder, this situation is
disgusting,
>even New England has been to a Super Bowl!!!  It's been 40 years since
the
>Lions have contested for a championship but they are one of the richer
>franchises -- they make big bucks and could make more with a winner.
Winning,
>however, is secondary to the bottom line.

Interesting that someone shares an opinion close to my own.  The Lion's
problems ultimately start with the front office.  Someone once told me
that the Lions will never win a championship as long as Bill Ford owns the
team.  Sadly, I'm beginning to believe this is true.

During the 'Russ Thomas' years, player after player, coach after coach
complained about having to work with Russ Thomas.  He is no longer the GM,
but his protege is now running the show, and I'm not convinced he is a
better football man than Russ Thomas, since he basically learned
everything
he knows about building a winner from Russ Thomas.

I don't buy tickets for the games, because I figure my money is hard
earned,
and I'm not about to go and spend it on a team who doesn't seem to care.  
The Lions, every year, look the same, no matter who is playing out there;
no matter how much talent the have or don't have.  Someone has to be held
accountable for the 30+ years the team has not won.  I can think of only
one
or two things that haven't changed, and one is the ownership.
---------------------------------
Filipp Sapienza
University of Michigan Hospital - Department of Surgery
Technology Services
Fil.Sapienza@med.umich.edu
(313)936-7331
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: !^@#~&*# America's Team (was Re: Thanksgiving)
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 23 NOV 92 16:34:56    

In article <1992Nov23.190638.22227@asl.dl.nec.com>, doan@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Duc Doan) writes...

>CBS will feature "The Resurgence of AMERICA'S TEAM" during the half time
>of the Cowboys and Giants game on Thanksgiving. Most of the NFL owners
>will certaintly say thanks to the Cowboys this Thursday for filling up their 
>stadium. Thank you god for the Cowboys and please let them keep winning. Amen.

Fans of other teams wishing to complain about this "America's Team" 
label can call CBS at 212-975-4321 (ask for sports).

JGH

PS: The Cowboys are not America's Team.  Wisconsin is part of America 
and the PACKERS are Wisconsin's team.
From: johnbr@master.CNA.TEK.COM (John Breeden)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Saints
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:55:54 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

In article <1992Nov16.164634.7595@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>The Saints could
>have probably won the game if they had not choked at the end
>and MISMANGED their timeouts and the CLOCK!.
     ^^^^^^^^^
Isn't that some disease?

You really do have to wonder about the Saints play-calling over the last 40 
seconds.  They throw a seven-yarder to start a drive that they need only 35 
yards or so for a field goal to win.  That's not so bad, but why not use one
of the *three* timeouts that they had left?  Instead, they let 21 seconds run
off the clock (I counted).  That's more then half the time the had to use!  
Then they throw two sideline route incompletions before their last-ditch 
Stanford vs. Cal play.  It seemed to me that they could have thrown over the 
middle (probably what the 49ers were giving them) and used the timeouts.  40
seconds with three timeouts was plenty of time to get into position.  

This game scared the hell out of me.  The Saints really have to feel snake-
bitten by the 49ers this year.

Go Niners!

John Breeden
(johnbr@master.cna.tek.com)
From: v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bet III
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:20:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bxx6oy.2AD
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1992Nov18.153421.5928@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna) writes...
>In article <1992Nov18.014754.13123@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, asagar@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ashish Sagar) writes:
>>                            Name                 Pick
>>                            ---------------------------
>>                            Greg Franklin        NFC
>>                            Barry Trottier       NFC
>>                            Jason Bittle         AFC
>>                            Ashish Sagar         NFC
>                             Nitin Khanna         NFC
> 
> 
>-- 

I'm in only if Kansas City, Houston or Miami make it. 
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   |   Miami Dolphins and Hurricanes:        * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    |
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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFC TEAMS STINK
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:29:38 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: delarocq@c00105-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu




  What conference gets all of that glorified media attention? The NFC.
  That's why I hate them so much... there are teams like K.C., Pitt,
  Houston, and Miami who never seem to get the fair amount of media
  coverage... plus when I was watching the K.C.- Washington game, 
  John Madden kept on blaming the PENALTIES on Washington's loss..
  COME ON!! GIVE THE CHIEFS SOME CREDIT!!!! The whole K.C. team
  shut down the Skins first half, so don't try finding a scapegoat
  for the NFC East team's loss.... 
 
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Hungry for some fish.. Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..

If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.
If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
out of Green Bay...
A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BILLS COALITION TAKING THE BET II.
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From: ~{5K~}@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~})
Subject: Re: STEELERS VS. LIONS - WHAT HAPPENED???
Organization: ~{W<9bKYVX@kWS6TW2;z~}(Au+79)-> Little BIG BANG <-(Au+79)
Distribution: usa
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:35:52

>>>>> In article <dchou.721954181@husc8>
>>>>> "David" == David Chou <dchou@husc8.harvard.edu> writes:

  David> HI...I couldn't get any highlights or anything concerning the Steelers
  David> Detroit contest, which was closer than I thought at least as far as
  David> score was concerned...anyone care to comment on some highlight, relate
  David> what happened, etc?  Which Barry did better?  Thanks.

I heard it from WFAN that in the last few min. Woodson, on a blitz, hit the
daylight out of Kramer and caused him to fumble, Steelers recovered at 2 yard
line. Then Brister hit Cooper (?) for the winning touchdown.

I'd appreciate any Steelers fan would put out a game summary after each
Steelers game. Here on L.I., we don't have much news about Steelers.

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From: gat@pecan.cray.com (Grant Taylor)
Subject: Warren Moon
Originator: gat@pecan
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:09:02 CST


Does anybody know if Warren Moon was put on IR?  My fantasy team needs him badly.

Grant Taylor
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Cray Research, Inc.
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(612) 683-5432
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From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Date: 15 Nov 92 23:23:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov13.173610.4203@wam.umd.edu>, emdynle@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Em Dyn chi co' em trong tim anh) writes...
>I'm afraid to wake up all you people 
	
	I think I'm awake.  Pretty hard to type while you're asleep.


>Hmmmmmm. 
	
	Get that penis out of your mouth.

>On any given day  
>an NFC team (the worst) can beat the best AFC team.  

	Haven't we heard that before?  That any team can beat any other team on
any given day??  *sigh*


>I don't see any change either.   

	I don't see any intelligence, either.

>Call me biased because the Cowboys are in the NFC.  

	How about I call you biased because you're just plain stupid?

Jon
From: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles' wings clipped, mouths run free
Date: 17 Nov 92 14:55:23 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Nov17.122756.123791@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman) writes:
>[stuff deleted]
>
>Last year, it was rally round the quarterback, whoever he was.  The defense
>knew it had to keep the opposition's score low to give the offense a chance to
>get into the game.  Maybe with the return of Cunningham, they've slacked a bi
>in intensity.

More than the return of Randall, it is the loss of Jerome Brown, andre waters
(there goes your rush defense). With Jerome brown in the middle, one can
imagine how simmons and white would do on the outside. And andre is arguably
the best run defender in the secondary today.
And dont forget what losing keith jackson has done to this eagle offense.
Everyone knows what he is doing for the Miami offense. He is the best in the
game at his position.

-Rajeev [A Scrambling Eagle] Sajja
From: spl2@po.cwru.edu (Sam Lubchansky)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: L.A. Raiders!!!!!!!
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:31:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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In article <david_w.1@aci_1.aci.ns.ca> david_w@aci_1.aci.ns.ca (DAVE WALSH) writes:
>From: david_w@aci_1.aci.ns.ca (DAVE WALSH)
>Subject: L.A. Raiders!!!!!!!
>Date: 19 Nov 92 18:36:01 GMT
>After reading through all of the topics on pro football, I failed to see 
>anything on the GLORIOUS RAIDERS.  Clearly, they epitomize the very meaning 
>of pro football.  Doesn't anybody care enough to post something about the 
>Raiders.  
>
>   ATTENTION: Calling All Raider Fans!!!!  Show your commitment to excellence
>   and POST SOMETHING TODAY.
>
>YOURS RAIDERLY
>DAVE W.

Here, I'll post something about the Raiders.

This Sunday, the GLORIOUS RAIDERS will get clobbered by the Broncos - 
something along the lines of 33-10.

I hope you're happy now.


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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:35:57 -0500 
From: Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: NFC/AFC superiority
	<1992Nov18.182923.4047@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>

OK, OK.  I didn't post this the first time, I just responded to Gidi,
but he seems to believe I was afraid to post it.  So here it is.

Gidi Avrahami writes:

>The more I think about this, the more I believe that the NFC is indeed
>superior, and that it is no fluke.  Why?  Not because of talent, but
>because of coaching, and front officing.
> 
>The super coaches of the NFL in the last decade were Walsh, Gibbs,
>Parcells and to an extent, the Ditka/Buddy combo.  Dan Reeves?  Marv
>Levy?  Sam Wyche?  Not nearly.  

I thought we were comparing the two conferences NOW.  Not their history.
 At least that was the original debate.

>Moreover, Walsh was in charge of the whole Niner operation, Parcells
>had George Young as GM, Gibbs had Beathard.  These were probably the
>best in the business.  Who was a great GM in the AFC over the last
>decade?  Which head coach had total control?  Maybe Don Shula, but even
>he had to contend with the Robbie childern ruining the organization.

So is San Diego the team of the '90's since Beathard is their now?
 
>There seems to be an inordinate amount of bad owners or owners' sons
>running the AFC operations: Modell drove Scottenheimer out of
>Cleveland (but I admire his choice in Belicheck), Paul Brown didn't
>get along with Wyche, what's his name in Pittsburgh.  And Al Davis
>must be senile.

That is Dan Rooney and he is one of the most respected owners in the league.
 
>I'm not sure about Denver, but even if Reeves is a good coach, it
>looks like the owner is going to get rid of him.

Are you serious?  IF?  He IS a good coach.  No, no.  He is a GREAT
coach.  I believe the Denver Broncos had the 2nd best record in the
'80's in the NFL.
 
>It just looks like the best teams are the ones that are being run very
>efficiently by very capable GM's and coaches.  For some reason, these
>happen to be in the NFC.  Maybe it's the ownership structure.  Maybe
>it's because so many AFC teams were created by charismatic mavericks
>who are now either dead (and their sons are running the business) or
>over the hill.
> 
>And maybe it really all boils down to money, because after all the
>Skins, Niners, Giants and Bears control some of the biggest markets
>and have rich owners.  So maybe it's just that they can afford to hire
>and keep the best personnel.

This is the most absurd part of the argument.  Why is Dallas good then? 
Why are the Giants bad now?  Why are the Bears bad now?  And the Rams? 
Buffalo is a tiny market and their 8-2.  New York is the largest market
in the country and the Jets are....well, the Jets.  This argument hold
no ground.

Gidi, happy I posted this now?

Todd
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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Vikes struggle, beat Browns
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 01:14:58 GMT

Well, Vikings fans, we scraped out another win on the strength of
our defense.  The offense stunk, again.  Gannon was *horrible*.
Another defensive TD! 

Stat of the week:   Last four games
                    -----------------------
                    Vikes' offense:  7 TDs
                    Vikes' defense:  6 TDs
  
This was asked by someone a while back... but I never saw an answer.
Has anyone verified that comparison between the Vikings' defense and
the Seahawks offense for TDs scored?  I believe the claim was that the
Vikes' defense has more TDs on the year than the Hawks' offense.  Is
it now the case that the Vikes' defense has more TDs in *the last four
games* than the Seahawks' offense has *all year*?!

Jim 
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: SUPER BOWL TALK
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:27:06 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.213241.288@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>jg> John P. Gloria spews:
>
>jg> GOOD teams LEARN from their mistakes. Which is why teams like Denver and 
>    Da Bills are NOT good teams. They have proven to the world that they can-
>    not learn from their mistakes. Just take a look at their combined SB rec-
>    ords. Ah, the flood gates have been opened. :-)
>
>  The only torrent is coming from what most of us call an anus, but what you
>  call a mouth.
>
Here we go again, starting with naming calling and smart-ass replies.
You really defeat your post with school-yard name calling (third
grade).
>
>  I wasn't aware than Denver + Buffalo's combined SB record of 0-6 takes away
>  all the "learning" that went on during their respective regular seasons for

That's the problem! Your type of loser's mentality will get just
that, losing, despite your fallacies of teams such as the Bills and
Denver that win their divisions/conferences, but that is all.
>
> [ other rhetoric of no substance deleted ]
-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain