From: homer@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Homer Smith)
Subject: Re: double blind
Organization: Me
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:23:57 GMT

 
>> There is a number of beliefs in Scientlogy that can be proven false
>> beyond shadow of doubt if one are willing to believe in other
>> sources.  
 
     John,
 
     On the surface, Gisle statement is absurd, one can not
prove something false beyond a shadow of a doubt by appealing
to other present authority and or belief.
 
     Willingness to BELIEVE in other sources, has nothing
to do with proof of the falsity of the claims the Church has made.
It merely means there is a serious difference of opinion about
things.
 
     No proof about anything has been forthcoming from Gisle.
 
     His clamoring for Scientologists to prove that they can
exteriorize are equally vacuous.  I suppose the argument is
that if you realy wanted people to know you could do these things
you would prove that you could do them.
 
     But this is not the point, I presume that Scientologists
only want people to know that THEY (the people) can do them, that some route
has been found towards that ability.  Scientologists have no
personal desire, apparently, to to let people know that
any particular Scientologist in question can do these things.
 
     I presume the Church is looking for people who already
know that these things are possible and is merely informing
people that a way has been found, if they would only try it.
They seem to have little desire to prove to the disbelievers
anything at all.
 
     Essentially, Gisle has just not provided anyone with enough
motivation to demonstrate powers, I guess there is no pay in it
or too much negative pay.
 
     This goes back to a very old thread on this list to the effect
that if you state you can do something, you OWE the world proving
that you can.
 
     Besides being an arbitrary assertion of magnitude, its just
plumb ridiculous, and anyone adhereing to such a viewpoint is
just too stupid and possibly dishonest to continue a 
further conversation with.
 
     In any case it would probably be wise for anyone who
had such powers to not mention that HE had those powers, but
that he knew where OTHERS could get them if they applied themselves.
This will disarm the 'prove it' types, if indeed you spend enough
time with them to warrant having to disarm them.
 
     As for the Xenu story, you should not deny what your own
Church will not allow you to know.  Sometimes people external
to the Church are more privy to things of the Church than
its own members.
 
     As for the geological inconsistencies, well thetans, per
History of Man are supposed to be trillions of years old, where
this universe is only a few billion or so.  This means that the
thetan was involved in universes before the creation of this one
or his entrance into it as Hubbard describes it.
 
     Many spiritual followings will tell you outright that Earth
has been redone over by planet gods a number of times in recent
history.  The accupying civilization blows it to smithereens, with
Atomic War, the place is purged, and the gods come in and clean it up,
and make it look like new, as if it had been here all along.
 
     This is of course absurd to low level scientist types, but its
a common thread in spiritual circles such as Theosophy which used
to have a serious following but has since fallen into disrepute after
its masters left for their next body I guess.
 
     Thus you will find people in past life regression therapy, 
going back to Atlantis and Lemuria
around 20,000 years ago, where civilizations flourished, of which
there is no sign anymore.  
 
     The Christians believe that God made the world in 7 days.  Well
maybe he cleaned it up in 7 days, a few times.
 
     Its a spiritual world, the rock hard types find it all
preposterous.  It OVERHWELMS them.  Perhaps that's why they
are so fixated on the Xenu story and OT III, that has to
do with freedom and overwhelm, right?  

     Your denial of OT III transcripts taken directly from the
confidential HCOB's on the subject however reduces the credibility of your
position.

     Quite a few Scientologists have left the Church with the
secret Church teachings, leaking them to the press and the field in
the form of books, tapes and other material including, I have read,
photocopies of the secret materials in question in Ron's own
handwriting.

     Perhaps you are protected from this by your Church, perhaps you are
just trying to protect others from what you conceive to be the
enormity of its implications.
 
     But many of the books recommended by Don contain long detailed
descriptions of the 'upper levels' by people who had risen to
the top of Scientology before they left and were in a position to
know.  

     The Church goes to great trouble to discredit these people
in any way it can, to erase all memory of association with these
people and the better times they had in the past.  Much like
Russia
tries to wipe out its rulers, by tearing down statues, renaming
cities, and destroying or altering archived copies of newspapers
in an effort change history.
 
     Thus people new to the movement, be it Communism or Scientology
never get the straight dope when it comes to the real history of
the movement.
 
     Now admittedly, these people who left the Church with the stolen
'scriptures' and upper level policy letters
may all be suppressives, but the most suppressive thing they could
do would be to tell the story straight about what was and is on the OT
and NOTS levels, right?  
 
     I suggest you don't come across as knowing less about your
own religion than the forces that oppose you, especially people
who went 100's of times deeper into Scientology than you yourself
have progressed.
 
     I don't necessarily side with them or what they did, they have a story
to tell, and sometimes it doesn't rign true, just as yours
sometimes doesn't rign true.  

     Sometimes when I here people bad mouthing Ron I come to like him more,
HIS story does seem to rign true.

     But it is doubtful that their story
is entirly fabrication, just as your story is not entirely
fabrication.

     In any case, it is a serious handicap to be forbidden to know something
that is already old hat to everyone else.
 
     I hear Xenu is living in an electronic condo somewhere in a 
mountain where no one can find him and be so foolish as to let
him out of his prison.
 
     The Christians believe in the Devil, perhaps its just a memory...

     Homer
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