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From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:55:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.011958.3778@clipper.ingr.com> jimmy@clipper.ingr.com (Jimmy Blair) writes:
>In article <14fq65INNj0p@agate.berkeley.edu>, judyy@ocf.berkeley.edu (Judy Y. Tseng) writes:
>> Gary Tse writes under Asian-Am/African Am relationships:
	[Gary and Judy's old thread on marriage and political power deleted.]
>
>	Many of your enumerated points are valid, perhaps most, but I
>	wonder why you feel the need to "gain rights as a group".  

	Because we've been denied rights as a group.

>	The social evils that African-Americans feel oppressed by
>	don't apply to Asian-Americans.

	Some do; some don't.  Some apply to Asian Americans that
	don't apply to African Americans (e.g. presumption of
	allegiance to a foreign country, with the corresponding
	employment and civil liberty implications).

					For example, unequal access
>	to education -- step onto any UC campus;

	Yeah, but look at admissions rates normalized for educational
	achievement.  Stanford did, and found that an Asian American
	was 40% less like to be admitted than an EQUALLY QUALIFIED
	white person.

						unequal access to significant
>	employment -- look into any computer company in Silicon Valley;

	Yes, but look at pay controlled for educational level and experience.
	Again, studies repeatedly show Asian Americans getting the shaft.

>	unequal housing -- I bought a house in Daly City BECAUSE the
>	community is predominantly Asian-American. 

	Good for you.  I hope your investment turns out well.

>	   Do you really feel so powerless that even your decision
>	decision about who to marry must be political?  The result 
>	after several generations would be the creation of a
>	subculture that is about as Asian as blacks are African.

	This already exists.  Not all Asian Americans just stepped off
	the plane.

>	Subcultural isolation does have some benefits, however, for example
>	BET (that's Black Entertainment Television) which is the source of
>	all the cool moves in Cardio-Funk Aerobics 8-).
>	
>	
>	-- Jimmy Blair ( Scotch-Irish-Dutch-French-Italian-ge )

	--Alan Hu (Chinese-ge, US-ci, California-cu(l) :-) )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,rec.arts.movies
From: d-yang@cs.columbia.edu (David Yang)
Subject: Re: Year of the Dragon (Re: Asian American Media Image)
Keywords: good movie, 2 thumbs up!
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:19:35 GMT

> From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
> 
> In addition, a smaller protagonist--a college-age youth--from the
> same cultural background as the reporter finally blurts out to
> the cop and his colleague, "No more ethnic jokes about 'my' people.
> Thousands of years ago, they had an advanced civilization.  They
> gave 'you' guys the orange, the irrigation system, etc."  This is a
> poignant point in the movie.  The youth doesn't realize what century
> he's in.  He also doesn't realize what kind of people he's defending.

While I haven't seen the film, this point doesn't sound valid.
Requesting that other people not make ethnic jokes is not the
same as defending everybody in the ethnic group.  Jokes about
bad English accents, "inscrutable" Chinese, "Chinese fire-drills",
etc. have relatively little, if anything, to do with the violence of
Chinatown gangs.

Could you explain-- what were the jokes that the youth didn't want
to hear?

David Yang
d-yang@cs.columbia.edu
From: zhjy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: 1 mor vu:Asking 'bout "nationality"
Date: 27 Jul 92 02:44:46 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

It's been neat reading about the range of experiences and opinions about the
question of being asked one's nationality.  My own perspective comes from being
raised as a fully assimilated AA in a overwhelmingly Caucasian context in
the ethnically diverse SF Bay area and moving out to ethnically monotonic 
upstate NY.  I never really experienced overt racism 'til I moved here, not
even during a year spent travelling through western Europe.
	I am among those who don't mind discussing personal ethnicity at all.
Yet, it's been surprising to find how many different ways the question can be
asked, "where are you from?
	My worst experience:  in a farmtown dancehall, a young woman came up
and asked The Question.  When I asked her why the interest she said her
boyfriend was a Vietnam vet, and he wanted to know....Really made my evening! 
	Best experience:  A waitress (who looked Native American to me)
in a little town diner asked me The Question.  I told her I was from CA, and
it turned out she grew up about five miles away from my family's house!  She
was actually half-Japanese, and she really missed the diversity of CA.
	In general, I like to give people who seem not to be the most
open-minded the opportunity to experience interaction with someone a little
bit different from them, in the hopes of broadening their views even the
tiniest bit.  But, of course, if approached with hostility, it's very 
difficult to not fight back in kind.
	The way I see it, you really have to be true to your own personal sense
of ethnic identity.  When you're comfortable with that, you can go ahead and
use that confidence to deal with other people's lack of awareness.
	And in reference to "passing" as a means to employment....If you are
not being given a fair chance to even get inside the door, then you have no way
of improving the  situation inside.  Manipulating the system to get inside
seems like a smart thing to me, as long as you aren't fooling yourself about
who you are.                                  Whew! enough already!
						Clarence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: Keeping in mind that this is AmeriKKKa
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:37:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.202324.12692@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> e199-ac@fornax (Alexander Lee) writes:
>In article <23276@alice.att.com> jj@alice.UUCP (jj@alice.att.com, curmudgeon) writes:
>>While Judy's rhetoric is undoubtedly satisfying, because it sounds
>>good, it feels good to say all that stuff, and it's PC to beat up
>>on the good ol' white menace, it misses the simple point that the
>>ONLY real effect it has is offending whites, instead of making
>>them sympathetic. 
>
>Your counter-argument to Judy is wholly based on the premise that
>we are here to please white people, to seek sympathy, and to kiss their
>white ass.  Well, I for one am getting sick and tired of it.  

Ain't that so true?  No, we're not here to be looked at as equals by "good
whites" like JJ.  Heavens no!!!!  We're here to win their "sympathy."  And,
correspondingly, the motivation for ending racism has nothing to do with
whether it's right, wrong, or even economically foolish.  No, racism ends
whenever whites feel "sympathetic" to us.  Oh, you pathetic little Asian
people, let me throw you another bone, you been so good this past week...
And if you dare give "good whites" like JJ some lip?  Then be prepared for
"race war, nuclear winter, all-fall-down," etc (what were those other terms
he used?).

Sheesh.  Now that you pointed it out, Alex, that old bag of wind is an even
bigger condescending moron than I thought.

Jim
From: mirin@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Mirin Lew)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:24:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Asking someone his "nationality" (Today's "Dear Abby")
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american

In soc.culture.asian.american, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:

>     Naturalized citizens are harder to "clear".  If they can't be
>     "cleared" then they can't be assigned to classified work.
>     Since the company can't fire someone for being "unclearable"
>     this person ends up as deadwood.

I'm not sure this is true.  In my senior year at college, I was offered
a job in R&D at a company where about 95% of their work was defense
contract work, so everyone had to have a security clearance.  The way
I understood it, I would have been on probation for the first 6 months or until
the security clearance came through.  If I couldn't get a clearance, 
I think I would have been fired.  I don't know; maybe I just didn't read
the fine print carefully enough, but that was certainly my impression.

Mirin Lew
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Subject: Make your own TV commercial
Summary: repackaged repost of <1992Jul23.234708.5433@tamsun.tamu.edu>
Reply-To: achin@math.tamu.edu
Organization: Dept of Mathematics, Texas A&M University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 15:10:56 GMT

Asian-American Heritage Month isn't until next May, but we can't start
this project too early.  Maybe it'll be a constructive alternative to
our usual griping about racism and ignorance.

Let's suppose that I happen to have a friend in the advertising business
who is willing to do some pro-bono work for the Asian-Amercian community.
So we want to do some 15- and 30-second TV spots to be premiered next May
that will get out the word that Asian-Americans are Real Americans.  My 
thinking is that these would be targeted to local stations, so I'd want 
(for example) a Texas slant.

A couple of ideas:

1. Profile a Japanese-American veteran of WW II living in Texas.

2. Have a voice-over asking a series of Asian-Americans "Where are you
   from?" and have them answer "Fort Worth" or "El Paso" or "Lubbock," then 
   conclude with some unifying slogan.  They could be shown in action doing
   Real American things like playing football, driving a pickup truck, or
   attending church.

3. Show a Caucasian parent teaching a child that hir Asian-American
   playmate is a real American just like hir, as opposed to the exotic
   caricatures of Asians they see on TV.

Any more?  Any ideas for a unifying slogan/campaign theme?  Do such
public service announcements exist elsewhere?  Does anyone want to
get involved in this project?
---
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-1924
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu)
Subject: Re: Pencil-twirling (was Re: Self-examination)
Keywords: pencil-twirling
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:06:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.023044.7534@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-zg@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Martin Guerrero-LabA) writes:
>Pencil-twirling -- It seems to be an Asian phenomenon.
>
>Yes, Cal students do it.
>
>As for an Asian phenomenon, even outside of the U.S., you do see quite
>a bit of this.  Pencil twirling sometimes relieves stress when taking
>exams which could determine the rest of your life.
>
>Comment from a Caucasian:
>  Something along the lines of: "Haven't you noticed only Asians can do that?"
>
>Well, I know many non-Asians who do it.
>

Funny, my impression at Stanford was that it wasn't an Asian thing; it
was a liberal-arts thing (Asian-American or not).  I attributed this
to the fact that the liberal-arts people frequently held writing
implements, whereas the techies knew better than to try twirling
19" monitors...
						--Alan Hu
From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Impressions
Date: 25 Jul 92 01:48:41 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Joseph TeleCommunications Enterprises; Berkeley, California, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu
Via: JTC Enterprises International Affairs Department (Asian Division)

I am a Mexican/American junior at UC Berkeley. Most of my friends are AsianAm 
both here and in Southern California where I grew up. So most, in fact all, of 
my romantic relationships have been with AsianAm women. Just how rare is a 
Latino with a Chinese female or other Asian female? When I happen to casually 
talk to people about this and mention the above fact, I get a variety of 
responses.

For example, many AsianAm males respond by saying sarcastically, "Do you fall 
for the stereotypical 'submissive' Asian female?"
I have never had, or much less heard of, this (untrue) characteristic of
Asians. The fact that this response came up very often shocked me.

The Caucasians I know say, for example, "How kinky, I heard they are good
lovers."
I don't know what that is supposed to mean. Are they saying that my beloved
and I have weird romantic tastes?

Fellow Latinos always come up with, "You are selling out your own kind."
Well, my social life in high school and college so far has been influenced
greatly by Asian Americans (female and male). My closest and most personal
friendships are with Asians.

Of course, the preceding examples do not necessarily represent each ethnic
group as a whole, but these impressions are still out there.

I do not intentionally exclude having relationships with women of other
ethnicities. I know that non-Asians could have great romantic relationships
with Asian women. So why do so many people still find that fact hard to
believe in this day and age?

Just my 8% of a quarter's worth-
Joe Hernandez
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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: alcohol (was Re: Cheese)
Keywords: cheese alcohol
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:06:21 GMT

In article <l78m87INNgrv@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>
melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Ugga de Boogidie) writes:
>
>Well it looks like a lot of A-As have the same condition with regards
>to alcohol as I do. Has anybody ever tried "upping" their alcohol
>tolerance, i.e. drinking a little bit more each time? Does it work?

Unless Ms. Boogidie can be more specific about the kind of intolerance
from which she's suffering, I can't suggest much.

Be careful.  Some people have a genetic intolerance to alcohol.
I don't remember the exact name of the genetic flaw, but these
people can drink a lot without becoming "drunk".  The down side
is that the liver is destroyed rapidly with continued drinking.

On the other hand, if you are just suffering from "getting drunk
too easily", then never drink on an empty stomach.  Eat lotsa
meaty/high-protein foods before you start to the drink.  They tend
to slow down the absorption of alcohol.

Alternatively, smoking concurrently with drinking alcohol also
tends to slow down the absorption of alcohol.

>
>I feel a little left out when it comes to social drinking but at the
>same time I don't get the kind of pressure I used to when people see
>that I'm not drinking.

Whatever you do, don't drink multiple cans of beer after a dry spell
of 2 or more years.  It has unfortunate side effects.  Most unfortunate
side effects.

Cheers.

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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Korean Views on Race (Re: LA Times. 7-13-92 [long])
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 01:15:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.001127.11567@udel.edu> shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin) writes:
>>>In article <1992Jul28.023440.1118@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>>outrageous demands.  But the Korean gov't is insisting that the Japanese
>>>>gov't give the Koreans in Japan special privileges not afforded to
>>>>other foreigners.
>
>For example:
>>answer: finger-printing.
>>The S. Korean gov't demanded that Japan no longer finger-print the
>>Koreans in Japan.  Japan acceded but continues to finger-print many
>>other foreigners.
>>
>>The constant b*tching by Koreans in Japan concerning citizenship and
>>the rights that accrue with it is bogus.  The Koreans don't want 
>> [etc.]

[Mr. Shin asks for an example of a special privilege that the S. Korean
 gov't is demanding.  Then Mr. Shin writes the following.]

>...IMO, Koreans in Japan are special case...

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From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Mura and Louie Readings
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 15:47:45 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: ba

Heard David Mura on NPR. Excellent stuff.

Hassan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rot@mickie.id.macsch.com (Rohit Thukral)
Subject: Re: Perfect Families
Reply-To: rot@mickie.id.macsch.com
Organization: MSC, Los Angeles
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 16:28:12 GMT

In article <4572@dove.nist.gov>, hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira) writes:
|> With the discussions about degree envy, one thing kept coming to mind.
|> Every Asian-Indian family that I meet likes to put on a front that 
|> their family is perfect and that everyone in it is doing exceptionally
|> well. Its like they'll never admit any faults to you, which is quite
|> the opposite of what most white people I've met do. This is one of 
|> the reasons that I have trouble sustaining friendships with Indians.
|> They never let their guard down, and you always feel like you're in
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> competition with one another.
|> 
|> Do other asian cultures have similar problems?
|> 
|> Ron

I agree that most Asian-Indian families put on a false front when you
first meet them, but its not true that they never let their guard down.
Indians let their guard down to people they trust. But it takes a long
time to win their trust.

Its interesting this trait is not unique to US Indians. I've seen 
similar behavior in Indians living in India. (Especially in the Indian
community that I belong to.) 

Rohit

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From: gwu@nujoizey.tcs.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: movies
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:16:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.045006.26765@u.washington.edu>, silly123@milton.u.washington.edu (Celia Nilson) writes:
> In article <2A6857F9.14666@noiro.acs.uci.edu> jdooley@maemaster.eng.uci.edu (John R. Dooley) writes:
> >In article <HIEBELER.92Jul15222851@passion.think.com> hiebeler@think.com (Dave Hiebeler) writes:
> >>
> >>  Her name is Gong Li.  She keeps working with the same director,
> >>Zhang Yi Mou.  Not only was she in "Raise the Red Lantern", but also
> >>in "Red Sorghum" and "Ju Dou".  I think she's very good.
> >
> >Also, I think she's married to Zhang Yi Mou.
> 
> 	No...she is still remain single!!


     The San Francisco Examiner (one of two mainstream dailies in this
town), strongly implied Gong Li and Zhang Yi Mou are romantically involved.
Zhang's wife refused his request for a divorce, and the two are
separated.  Gong and Zhang refuse all questions as to the nature of the
relationship between them.

     For juicier details, you will have to pickup one of the fish wrappers.
(I'm sure some of the Hong Kong papers a friend of mine reads will have
more "information" on any relationship.)

							George

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From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Degree Envy
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:08:21 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
  Does this hit a nerve among readers of s.c.a.a.?
  Do any of the male readers have people say, "Hey,
  your sisters are all getting PhDs, why aren't you
  getting one?"  Or anyone's sister thinks "all non-PhDs
  are scum?"  Or anyone's aunt getting a PhD in her
  late 50's just so she can have one and "motivate"
  her son to get his, because "mom got one in 3 years!~
  Or anyone getting pressured from their relatives to
  get a PhD, or just get one since your dad had one
  and you're the only son, so you got to get one too?
  And having sisters who nobody wanted them to get a
  PhD get one instead so they can feel superior?
  Or having 90 year old grandmother keeping track of
  how many years each of her grandchildren spent in
  their PhD programs?  Cousin Ping got in in 4-1/2 years,
  isn't this your 5th year?

I know of at least one scaa person who is under this pressure but I will
not name names.  This kind of thing makes me glad I am from a mixed
ethnic and culture family.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
From: houch@mitre.org (Jim Houchens)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Ridiculous Health Insurance Policy
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:49:53 GMT
Reply-To: houch@cavern.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

ikeda@vxcrna.cern.ch (IKEDA,M./EP) writes:

>$3200 being a small price is relative.  If one is a graduate student
>with a family to support, $3200 is exorbitant, taking perhaps 1/3 of
>one's salary.  Although the family you mentioned may had been able
>to afford private health insurance, it is not clear that it is a viable
>option for a student.  Because of the lack of a clear plan to cover
>those who cannot afford insurance, the taxpayers do end up subsidising
>them, but in general this is not the fault of students, part-time workers,
>etc..  No one has come up with a solution for this problem in the US.

I agree we need a better solution.  However, I think foreign students should
cover the costs of their health insurance, regardless of whether or not we
have some sort of universal health coverage.

-- Jim
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From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Racism (was Re: There's racism, and then there's RACISM)
Keywords: racism
Date: 23 Jul 1992 21:55:36 GMT
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.

One of those words that are so broadly defined and so widely used (and abused)
that using a dictionary as a reference doesn't really mean much, at least not
to me.

Th-th-that's all folks!!  :-)

Jim