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From: osyjm@fubar.cs.montana.edu (Jaye Mathisen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.info
Subject: ****** FTP changes.  Also, guide updated to 6.02
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Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:38:12 GMT
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The FTP site for Vidiot's guide has moved to ftp.uu.net.  You can
access it via anonymous FTP, and then cd to the directory 
/usenet/rec.arts.startrek/STARTREK/*.

ftp.uu.net mirrors ftp.coe.montana.edu, so new versions of the guide
will be propogated quickly.  Please, do not use the montana site anymore.
(for retrieval.  If you want something put on ftp.uu.net, put it here,
and ftp.uu.net will pick it up.  There is no writable directory on ftp.uu.net,
and so the only way to get the stuff to uunet is to put it here first, and
let them pick it up.  Kind of roundabout, but better in the long run).

(With the release of 6.02, people ftp'd 200+ megabytes from ftp.coe.montana.edu
in a 24 hour period.  We can't handle the load.  Especially when they do
it during work hours).

So anyway, use ftp.uu.net.

FYI, The other TV guide stuff will move to ftp.uu.net shortly.


ftp.uu.net == 192.48.96.9


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From: brown%vidiot.UUCP@cs.wisc.edu (Michael L. Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.info
Subject: Paramount Press Release - TNG - #240: Face of the Enemy
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Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:12:55 GMT
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Face of the Enemy

Episode #240



                           _S_P_E_L_L_I_N_G_S

	Major Rakal
	Tal Shlar
	Kaleb
	Corvallen
	Draken Four


				_C_A_S_T

	Captain Jean-Luc Picard			Patrick Stewart
	Commander William Riker			Jonathan Frakes
	Lieutenant Commander Geordi LaForge	LeVar Burton
	Lieutenant Worf				Michael Dorn
	Dr. Beverly Crusher			Gates McFadden
	Counselor Deanna Troi			Marina Sirtis
	Lieutenant Commander Data		Brent Spiner

	N'Vek					Scott MacDonald
	Toreth					Carolyn Seymour
	DeSeve					Barry Lynch
	Pilot					Robertson Dean
	Ensign McKnight				Pamela Winslow
	Computer Voice				Majel Barrett
	

	Teleplay by:				Naren Shankar
	Story by:				Rene Echevarria
	Directed by:				Gabrielle Beaumont



_P_R_O_G_R_A_M_ _H_I_G_H_L_I_G_H_T_S

	STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION: "Face of the Enemy" -- Forced to
	impersonate a Romulan Intelligence officer, Counselor Troi becomes
	a pivotal part of an elaborate defection scheme.


_T_V_ _G_U_I_D_E_ _A_D_S

	TROI BECOMES A ROMULAN!
	Will she live to explain her role in a daring Romulan defection scheme?


_T_V_ _L_O_G_ _L_I_S_T_I_N_G_S

	Troi forced to help Romulan defectors/STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION.
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From: bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag)
Subject: Re: New poll: Favorite all-time drum solo?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:51:29 GMT

matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews) writes:

>The 1983 Blue Devils percussion feature (I don't even know
>what it's called) stands out in my mind.  I can remember
>watching that part of my tape over and over.  I had just
>started following drumcorps and was amazed.  There may have 
>been better and/or more demanding percussion features
>performed since then, but I can't forget the impact
>of "discovering" percussion features by watching that one!

>Speaking of percussion features, I saw a live performance by
>KODO last Wednesday night.  They were great.  I wonder if
>KODO fans know about DCI?

>Tom Matthews

1983 BD drum feature was called Paradox.  You're right, it was AWESOME.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: New poll: Favorite all-time drum solo?
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 22 Jan 1993 15:47:15 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In the bleak mid-winter, perhaps another poll is all we netters need
to keep warm and wax nostalgic of drum corps shows gone by and drum
corps shows to be.....

....or maybe not.  But what the hell, let's do it anyway.

What is your favorite drum solo/percussion feature performed by a
drum and bugle corps?  Apply any criteria you like to define *favorite*.
My personal definition involves the quality and musicality of the
writing for the percussion voices.  There are my top three, in no
particular order:

  1984 Santa Clara Vanguard  (the *mp* solo)
  1992 Blue Knights  (*Billy The Kid* gunfight...amazing arrangement)
  1990 Santa Clara Vanguard  (*Carmen* solo...awesome ensemble writing
                              and voice leading through the drum line.
                              Bitching tenor line!!)

Notice any common thread through my choices?  :) :) :) :)

Honorable mentions: 1980 SCV (Stone Ground Seven), 1991 BK (the *3 pods*).

Chime in at will, Mike
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: jvbutera@grad03.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Cymbal lines
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:21:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.180635.355@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> tmv@cupid.cc.bellcore.com (vandewater,thomas m) writes:

*Do you remember when VK used an all-female
*cymbal line that had great legs?  (sorry about this sexist comment,

*Tom

Yup, they looked good. But as someone who marched in a cymbal line, I don't
like seeing them go.  I agree 8-10 cymbals is a bit much, infact, for playing
standards, I think that the # of cymbals should be 1/2 the number of snares.
That way they can play (you can hear 5 cymbals as well as 10) and they can cover any
snare ride parts easily, the only difficulty is with hit hat parts, which would
be forced to be split or share a pair of cymbals between drums.






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From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: woodwinds in drum corps
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 19:00:29 GMT


It's pretty clear that there are two major lines of thought
in the "woodwinds in drum corps" discussion.

The main argument I have seen for woodwinds is something along
the lines that drum corps needs different sounds to be able to
explore different kinds of music.

The main arguments against include preserving the brass sound
of d&b corps and the size (of the corps) issue, with a minor
objection concering damage to the instruments.

All of these points are well-taken, I think.  Let me add one more
opinion into the pot.

Proponents of adding woodwinds (and strings and trombones, etc.)
to d&b corps do not imagine that half (or more) of the corps would
consist of non-bugles.  The point they are making is that during
passages where a different timbre is called for (such as solos),
a clarinet or saxophone can provide just the right sound.

This was the intent of the 1991 Rules Congress proposal to allow
ONE clarinet, trumpet, string instrument, etc. to perform in the
show.  Basically, a show designer would have a little more leeway
in the musical presentation.

Of course, the "traditionalist" camp (for lack of a better label)
objected that if we allow this, then we would allow more and more
foriegn instruments and drum corps would lose its identity.

This discussion also seems to overlap with the electronics issue.

It all depends on what you think is important in drum corps.  Is
allowing a designer to be creative important?  Is maintaining a
set of fair rules to determine winners important?  Is exposing
kids to all kinds of music and sounds important?  Is keeping the 
way drum corps is important, or is trying to make it better important?

My opinion is that if there is reasonable agreement among show
designers that they feel sufficiently restricted in expression,
then pass the rule that allows one "alien" instrument.  Let's see
what they can do with it; I'd be interested.  I think there is great
potential to add contrast to an activity that thrives on contrast.  
And if it stinks, then revoke the rule (if instant replay in football
can be turned back, so can woodwinds in drum corps).

Adding a valve to the bugles, in my opinion, has not changed the
character of drum corps.  People were saying that it would change
the face of drum corps.  From a spectator's point of view, it still
sounds and looks the same.  Now this is not a strong argument that
woodwinds won't change drum corps, but my point is that if we take
careful steps in trying to better the activity, then in the long
run, drum corps will be better off.  Adding a non-bugle instrument
is just another experiment that may be a bad idea, but it may have
some payoff, too.

-- Donald
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From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Subject: Re: Woodwinds (was Re: Cadets cymbal line)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:20:33 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
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scott mclure (scottm@helena.stat.uga.edu) wrote:
: That's the other thing I forgot.  It IS impossible for woodwinds to
: perform in wet weather without ruining pads.  I missed an entire high
: school football game because it was raining.  Never even went to the
: stadium.  As often as shows are called off on account of rain now, you
: add woodwinds and they will more than double.  It's just impracticle to
: try adding woodwinds to corps already on limited budgets.

Aren't there ways to take care of ww wear and tear for marching band?

: 	Oh, and about the numbers thing... you could keep 64 horns and
: make half of them w.w., but then you couldn't hear anybody.  It just
: won't work.

This is assuming you only use woodwinds when the horns or at full
volume - or that some of your horn line doesn't switch back & forth. I
guess I've seen some good high school bands use woodwinds effectively
for color while doing corps style shows.  You usually don't get much
woodwind sound during fff parts of the show, but it can be a nice
variation during other sections.  Question for you - how is this
different than singing/vocalizing?

Bob Taylor
HP Vancouver
From: phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Small Talk
Date: 23 Jan 93 09:34:10 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1993Jan22.131452@IASTATE.EDU>, knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites) writes:
> As I sit here and try to think of something to talk about, I was thinking of
> some friends of mine that are marching in some Class A and A-60 or Division
> II/III corps.  Whatever they are called now, I was wondering which of these
> corps people like.  We spend so much time talking about the big guys that some
> people might think there are only 12 or 17 or 25 corps out there.  Lets get some
> opinions on some of the smaller corps.  We've all seen them at shows and surely
> some of the things you have seen them do must be worth discussing?

I would beg to differ. Those of us still marching, and in Division I, have
little chance of seeing the other divisions. I fact I had only seen one or two
until finals this year. The Colts had the dubious honor of playing the anthems
at II/III finals, and we had the rest of the night off to watch corps. What an
eye opener! I would have never realized there was such talent in these groups.
Somehow the division number sounds like it is denoting quality, not quantity. 
This attitude was squashed in me as I watched corps after corps, and I cheered
heartily when the Madarins won their title. Imagine ten horns putting out that
much sound! Wow!
I would strongly urge anyone who has the chance to check the other divisions
out. Many of them have as much quality at top 12, but choose to remain small.

> biggest problem for the Knights is the fact that they are THE feeder corps for
> This has been happening for many years.  Therefore there is a lot of new people
> in the corps each year with few vets.  I wonder if this is the story with so
> many small, struggling corps?

Colts used to have this problem, and we were denoted the feeder corps of the
mid-west. The talented would move on, others would just not return, leaving
'the few, the proud...the loyal!' We generally had 10-20% retention from year
to year. Then we finally got staff that didn't piss people off and stuck around
for the next year. People started to believe in us, and we turned the trend
around. How's at least 70% retention for you?!

I think things would turn around for the other divisions also if they were
respected for what they are, and not dismissed as second rate. Buy a ticket to
the next 'small' show in your area, make sure you show up in time to see the
earlier corps. Cheer for them, and let them know that they count!
                                         
Brooke 
Colts '89-93
Mellophone
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Cadets cymbal line
From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Monday, 25 Jan 1993 15:04:15 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <1993Jan22.173848.16254@midway.uchicago.edu>,
stderic7@cicero.spc.uchicago.edu (Eric Camburn) says:
>
>I can't verify the rumor about the Cadets but in a similar vein
>I thought I saw someone (perhaps Brad?) post earlier that the Cavies
>were going sans cymbals in '93.  Is this a trend?

Many lines have already killed cymbals.  Among them are Star of Indiana
and Phantom Regiment.

>Cavies may have added a tenor or two in place of the cymbals.
>I also thought someone posted earlier that SCV was going
>without cymbals as well.  Alas, the carriers of the brass disks
>may be a dying breed.  I was always impressed by cymbal players
>who could do cartwheels while holding their cymbals.  In a similar
>vein, I'd be interested in hearing people discuss theories about
>deciding on the numbers of people to put into each position.
>For example, how/why do corps decide to go with 8 rather than
>10 snares, or 6 rather than 8 contras (aside from the fact
>that those are as many people that the corps can get for
>those positions)?

It's easier to clean 8 snares than 10 snares.  Of course, with the talent
that Cavies have to choose from, 10 snares should be no big deal.

Incidentally, a side question for Brad Halls (if you're reading this):
What is your position in Cavies drum staff?  Are you snare tech or what? :)

If there has been any trend in low brass lately, it's been *more is better*,
which I wholeheartedly agree with.  The sonority achieved with 12 contras
and additional baritones really solidfies the sound of a brass ensemble.

Cheers, Mike
From: matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: New poll: Favorite all-time drum solo?
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:25:13 GMT
Organization: Division of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, UC Davis

The 1983 Blue Devils percussion feature (I don't even know
what it's called) stands out in my mind.  I can remember
watching that part of my tape over and over.  I had just
started following drumcorps and was amazed.  There may have 
been better and/or more demanding percussion features
performed since then, but I can't forget the impact
of "discovering" percussion features by watching that one!

Speaking of percussion features, I saw a live performance by
KODO last Wednesday night.  They were great.  I wonder if
KODO fans know about DCI?

Tom Matthews
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Pat Metheny on Prodigy!
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 10:05:09 EDT
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In article <1jkg5lINNarh@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> (rec.arts.marching.drumcorps), monroesa@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Scott A Monroe) writes:
>I also remember a year being hosted by Maynard Ferguson in the same era as  
>the Mangione (sp?) broadcast.

1979.  After the that they had Rita Moreno and Carmine Appice.
Then they decided it was better to have a sportscaster to emphasize
the sports-like quality of the activity. (a mistake, I think).

Niel

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From: michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: 1993 Predictions
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:53:29 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein) writes:

>Well, having had a boring day at work, I've compiled your
>predictions into the Unofficial r.a.m.d Contributors'
>Poll.

>Your predictions so far (as of 1/21/93):

>1	Cadets of BC 
.
.
.
>19	Academie' Musical
>20	Southwind 
>tie	Troopers


>Looks reasonable to me so far.  Any comments?

>Niel


	Exsqueeze me?  Baking powder?  I can't help but be a little 
biased in my judgment but why would you think that Academie would enter
top 25 this coming season?  What is the latest on Academie anyway?  I 
presume they were rather good in 1990 when they broke top 25 but I never
saw their show that year.  Did anyone see it who would care to give an
opinion?
	
Michael 




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From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: 1993 Predictions
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 11:11:35 EDT
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Well, having had a boring day at work, I've compiled your
predictions into the Unofficial r.a.m.d Contributors'
Poll.

Your predictions so far (as of 1/21/93):

1	Cadets of BC 
2	Cavaliers 
3	Star of Indiana
4	Blue Devils 
5	Crossmen 
6	Santa Clara Vanguard
7	Madison Scouts 
8	Blue Knights 
9	Phantom
10	Bluecoats 
11	VK 
12	Boston 
13	Glassmen
14	Freelancers 
15	Spirit of Atlanta 
16	Colts
tie	Sky Ryders 
18	Marauders 
19	Academie' Musical
20	Southwind 
tie	Troopers


Looks reasonable to me so far.  Any comments?

Niel

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From: michaelw@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: If someone were to ask you...
Date: 24 Jan 1993 02:07:45 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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	If someone were to ask you what drum corps was, how would you explain
it to this non-drum-corps person?  What would anyone do?  Bring this person
to a show?  Show him (or her) a program from a drum corps show (finals, 
preferably) and refer him to the "Differences Between a Drum and Bugle Corps 
and a Marching Band" article?
	What do the Netters around here do?  What
I sometimes do is to play one of the corps from finals night on tape or on
CD.  I actually prefer playing the drum solo of 1990 Cavvies off the CD, which
happens to be one of my *favorite* drum solos.  People are always impressed
when they hear it.



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Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
From: jwise@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Wise)
Subject: As I'm wiping this egg off...
Followup-To: Predictions
Summary: Major oversight
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:36:52 GMT


     My most sincerest and humblest apoligies on my post for my idealistic top 
17 that omitted the Cavaliers.  Actually it would be interesting in some 
regards to see the defending champ just be blown away, but the chances of 
that...   yeah right.   Anyhow, for those of you who care, I'd place Cavaliers 
in the fourth spot, which I believe would be a tie with Scouts.  Again it's 
preseason, who knows, I thought SCV had last year locked up until June.  So it 
goes.

     This network is great in that it brings up little known facts and such 
that many of us would never have picked up even if it was right under us 
(rather right next to us, it's hard to pick up what you're standing on).  The 
fact BD has been top 5 forever, and all those wonderful things.  Which brings 
me to one my brother proposed, name a corps, if you can, that won Semis and 
failed to win the big show.  We can't think of one instance.  Therefore, we 
wonder if there is something to that, at least psychologically maybe.  Of note,
my brother is hugely cynically about the process of judging, meaning the 
objectivity of it.  His favorite example is DCI Midwest at Whitewater in 1989,
the Cavaliers horn line was up a full point over BD in performance.  My 
reaction to this would be I've yet to hear a Cavalier horn line at any time 
that's a point above BD in performance.   HMMmmm...

Lastly, for this post, I'm trying to find out the order of placements for the 
guards for 1992.  I know like the top 3 and 11th, can anyone help me here?


Jeff Wise