HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com (Steve Dahmen)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: minor spelling.... Re: Where is the navel chakra
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:15:49 GMT
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Thanks Kish for that scholarly summation... some neat stuff.

Just a wee note....

The sanskrit word for the "central channel" used in yogic practice
is susumna or shushumna (pronounced sha-SHUM-na).  THere were mixed
spellings throughout Bill's posting.  No big deal, but why not be accurate?

Steve
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 06:29:11 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear People: I hope all of you are well. I must go to work now.
John Winston
From: Linda.Birmingham@brunel.ac.uk (Linda Birmingham)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Where is the navel chakra
Date: 15 Nov 92 15:03:17 GMT
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK

In article <1992Nov13.233417.3970@wkuvx1.bitnet> pierccm@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.180637.8517@linus.mitre.org>, tucker@mitre.org (William Tucker) writes:
>> 
>> I (William Tucker) think:
>> 
>> That the Hara and the 3rd chakra or solar plexus chakra are not the 
>> same thing. I have a book specifically on the Hara, and it's spoken 
>> of more in the way that Aikido masters speak of the center of balance
>> and intent or purpose.
I too have at one time been hung up about the location of the
third chakra. My belief now is that there are a number of centres of
energy in the whole of the abdominal region. The focus we use for
meditation will depend on the teacher we are following. Some teachers are
non-specific about location and leave you to find your own !

The Hara is a centre I can be aware of sometimes, the solar plexus -
just below the sternum - is a centre it took me a long time to have
any awareness of.
>
>The solar plexus is just below the sternum, where you get "gut
>feelings".  The Tan T'ien (also called the Hara) is about two inches
>below the naval.  The Tan T'ien is the main center of focus in Chinese
>Kung Fu (and other martial arts as well, such as Aikido).  They are
>not the same centers.

>
>> I've noticed discrepancies between various groups on the 
>> meaning of color in the aura(s) and location/shape of chakras, both 
>> withing New Age/Theosophical and "traditional" literature, I've 
>> attributed a great deal of the difference to opinion and varying 
>> degrees of true knowledge. Reporting on what you see is a lot 

Yes, the different systems do have different colours, sounds, symbols and
locations of the chakras. I've not attributed it to varying degrees
of true knowledge but varying methods of leading people to true
knowledge.

How about finding the colours, sounds and symbols of your own
centres ? 

>
>Everyone sees things in different ways from everyone else.  That does
>not mean one is right and the other is wrong, they are simply
>different.
Exactly. 


Linda.

-- 
Brunel University, Uxbridge, Middlesex, England.
janet: Linda.Birmingham@brunel.ac.uk
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From: pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Bigfootf spaceman?
Date: 22 Nov 92 09:34:02 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <69987@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>Dear Serious Question Askers: I have not been hit upon by the large bird
>in question. In regards to whether I now anyhone but the unusual the 
>answer is "Yes my wife". 
>John Winston.

The mind boggles. Then the mind rereads the posting. Then the mind
tells the newsreading software to show the message again. Then the
mind boggles anew.

Question: How many of the mockers are _not_ reading this stuff in
alt.religion.kibology?

And a Serious Question for Mr._-_Winston: WHY are you posting to
alt.religion.kibology in the first place?

 -Paul "Monty" Ashley
   (Boggle bogggle boggle)
-- 
All just the opinions of pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu.
From: karenm@yenta.alb.nm.us (Karen Millar)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Santa Fe area memories...
Summary: I found one of my past life homes.
Keywords: past life regressions
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:44:18 GMT
Organization: yenta unix pc, rio rancho, nm


	OK, so I posted this same strain some time ago, but will 
post another synopsis. About 12 years ago, I went through a series 
of past life regressions, one of which was the life of an American
Indian woman in the desert southwest area of the United States.
We lived in hogans (I think somewhere in NE Arizona, although I
havent found "that" portion of the regression yet). We travelled on 
hunting parties to an area by a river, which is where much of the
regression experience took place. Now I have always loved the 
desert (I wonder why?), but had never been in New Mexico at all 
until June of 1991, but had been in areas of Northern Arizona, such 
as Monument Valley and the Grande Canyon. While searching for a 
place to relocate to, I came across an article in the Sunday edition
of the Albuquerque Journal that elicited extremely strong emotions
from me, since it "looked" very similar to what I remembered from
the regression experience. Since I had previously made my decision 
to test out Albuquerque/Santa Fe for relocation, I made the trip
down here for ten days of networking and interviewing. During that 
time, I drove around exploring the area, and FOUND the exact 
location that we had camped on our hunting parties. It is in an 
area perhaps 30 miles north of Santa Fe that is currently declared
a Pueblo Indian reservation. I know in my heart that this is the 
same location that I saw in my regression experience. For many years,
I held the belief that if past lives were not real, then at least 
the experiences were valid psychological patterns or maps. Actually
finding one of these spots was at the very least a vaildation to
me that the current views of the masses are not necessarily accurate.
I do not have a fixed belief as to how (past) lives work, since my
concept of time is not exactly fixed or dogmatic, but I do know 
that part or all of my consciousness has been there at some point.
With me it is no longer a belief, and to those of you who would 
test the hypothesis, I would susgest that you do it experiencially,
since no amount of reading or network babble will EVER convince
you in the way that personal experience does.

Network hugs to all and happy seeking,

Karen.


-- 
    Love is the answer...
	Communication Facilities Designer
	Freelance in the Land of Enchantment              Albuquerque, NM
	karenm@yenta.alb.nm.us                             (505) 266-8659
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb)
Subject: Re: MARK-OF-THE-BEA$T bar-code$/scanner$
Organization: Department of Political Science, University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:28:48 GMT

In article <8548.25549@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) writes:

>In article <BxnF6q.Brw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> johnsone@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Erik A. Johnson) writes:

>Waste of time diatribe deleted.

>>have his priveleges revoked.
>>

>This is pure crap. If you don't like his postings, then place
>him in your Kill file. Easy yes?! Robert has the right to post
>whatever he chooses to post. The material of his post, as long
>as it is not seditous or smacks of illegal and true
>conspiracy, is covered by Free Speech.....and so is he. If his
>net access gets revoked especially now, then he will be in his
>right to sue for redress.

>YOU .. sir....are talking like a true Hitlerite. We all have
>the right to post. Do you realize that yur post cost me money
>and time to read? You shuld not be allowed to post....yes
>that's the ticket...and wait a minute..those preaching cutting
>taxes should lose their posting priviledges too....and what
>about someone who talks lifestyle....where will it stop?

>YOU are placed in MY Kill file...I hate to waste my time.

>Len

Len, maybe you should be more tolerant of Erik.  I mean, he might read your 
argument and decide you have a point, he might have just been over-reacting, 
or whatever.  But to place him in your kill file directly without a second 
chance and call him a Hitlerite seems to contradict your call for him to 
have more tolerance.  From one extreme to the other doesn't help. 
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: mccoy@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Don McCoy)
Subject: Re: Greys, Good, Bad, or Kibozotic
Organization: Applied Physics: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:42:47 GMT

In article <41115@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> 
pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins) writes:
>
>You know what intrigues me about John-O? It's not the subject
>matter. It's not the phantomf lettersf in the Subjectf linef.
>
>It's not even the fact that one of his posts was directed to
>ME PERSONALLY! (It said, in its entirety, "Dear Person, maybe 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>you are right. Maybe my floppy disks are getting a little floopy" 
>in response to some nitpicky comment I made about a typo)

  [rest deleted]

> -Paul "Monty" Ashley
>   (Warning Sign #1: If you think John-Winston is talking directly
>to you, GET HELP!)                                        ^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^
Uh, sounds as if you need some help!  <grin>

..don...
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: jim@philabs.philips.com (Joanne I. Murphy)
Subject: Re:  Past Life Regression
Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff Manor, NY.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:21:52 GMT



Whether memories of previous incarnations are "real" or not,
the emotions attached to these memories can be utilized.
That is where the reality lies, for me.  Emotions do not 
lie, emotions are real for every individual, whether they
are base on "reality" or not.  In healing, it is the purging  
of the emotions (especially negative ones) that allows one to free up the
preconceptions about oneself.  This enables a person to really
experience their true nature, without bias (neither positive or negative,
rather just as it is).

So, who cares whether reincarnation is real or not?  What good does
arguing the point have?  Noone can really prove their personal
experience anyway, everybody has to do their own experiencing.
There is a unique path for everyone, don't you think?

Use "past-life" memories for the insight they provide you about yourself,
skip the reality details.  IMHO its a waste of time.


Joanne 
jim@philabs.philips.com

Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Space Craft Without Pants
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:22:01 GMT
Followup-To: talk.religion.newage
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co.

In article <2B0683A6.7DE2@tct.com| chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
|According to John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com:
|>...and say goodbye and may God be with you. Adona Vasu Baragus.
|
|Klaatu Barada Nicto!

Gort! Klaatu Barada Nictu.

-- 
Bruce Watson (wats@scicom)  Tumbra, Zorkovick; Sparkula zoom krackadomando.  
....alien language from an SF short story on a 78-RPM record I had as a kid.
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 10:30:43 GMT

There are lots of books and articles dealing with past-life research.  I refer
you to Ian Stevenson's "Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation" and "The
Search for Bridey Murphy" which was written (if memory serves) by a Boston
psychologist who originally set out to debunk the theory, and became a believer.
--
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
seeker, therefore, is concerned with one thing only: to become aware of what
he already is, of the True Self within."  -- Zen maxim
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

"There is nothing to seek and nothing to find.  You're already enlightened, and
all the words in the world won't give you what you already have.  The wise
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: magnus@bark-fddi.ii.uib.no (Magnus Alvestad)
Subject: Re: 1800 Encounter.
Reply-To: magnus@ii.uib.no
Organization: UVBS -> SFK/T-DSA / SOPS - HOS / RNoN
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:50:26 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 19 Nov 92 06:18:15 PST, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
>>>>> said:

	John> without out getting shot I'll be money ahead.  John
	John> Winston. I'll try to post it in the future.

Well, if you can pull it off without being flamed.. :-/

As for posting it in the future I suppose it would be trivial for you
to post it in the past, with your OOBE and all that magic.

-Magnus
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: bcacciol@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Forklift of Pain)
Subject: Re: Big Bird
Reply-To: bcacciol@encore.com
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:45:34 GMT

In article <69886@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Subject; Big Bird.
>    I glad you are reading this rather than me. If I were reading it I
wouldn't 
> believe it and it happened to me. 
>   It all started when a friend of mine told me about a time when she and her 
> teen age daughter (who is a changeling) with a few of her friends were in a 
Um, John...do you have any friends/acquaintances who are *not*
changelings, aliens, yogis, astral travelers, shamans, levitators,
reincarnated refrigerator repairmen, or mystics? 

Wondering in Florida,
F 'o P
From: tt@wag.caltech.edu (Toshi Takeuchi)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Yes, I'm sure.
Date: 18 Nov 1992 21:45:03 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sgi1.wag.caltech.edu

emery@tc.fluke.COM (John Emery) writes:

>What keeps us from randomly murdering an innocent person?  What keeps us
>from raping, from stealing, from cheating, from lying?  What moves us
>to love, to care for others, to be kind, to be compassionate?  Isn't
>there something programmed inside of us?  Don't we have within us a sense
>of right and wrong?

From a Darwinistic perspective, if a race is totally inclined to
kill, rape, and murder, it would reach a evolutionary end quite
rapidly because all members of a species would end up wiping
each other out, rather than propagating the species.

Indeed, a race must be tempered with some sort of instinct that doesn't
allow us to senselessly kill, or else or race would have disappeared, and
may yet disappear...

>Where am I going with all this?  The sense of right and wrong is so 
>embedded in us that it follows us wherever we go, even when we try not
>to look at it.

It is evolutionary unthinkable that there would not be some sort of
inner instinct to guide our actions (as I point out above).  This
is not to say that there is or is not some universal sense of right
or wrong, but only that your argument is not proving anything.

From a scientific standpoint, it couldn't be otherwise.

>Why then would one not want to admit that an absolute truth exists?
>It would seem to me that it is because it would make us accountable
>to the source of this absolute truth, whom we know as God.  God is
>the title of the one who is absolute authority and divinity.

Now you're starting to imply that the Christian God is the only way
that we can find and know this source of "authority".

>But were one to consider of this, it would seem reasonable to submit
>ourselves to this absolute authority. 

Once again, you think that submission to a Christian God is the
only way to find this authority.  There are many paths, and the
various paths are useful to differing people, depending upon their
nature.

[rest deleted]

Toshi
tt@wag.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: reil0766@mach1.wlu.ca (reilly derek)
Subject: Re: Abort
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 07:47:43 GMT

 I knew there would be some talk of this. Abort abort isn't that extreme. A similar word that I found more interesting was cocappendage (equivalent to our slightly less Aristotlean coctail). The vision of these supralogical category mongers teetotallin about the great expanse was more than my slight experience could acceptably fathom.

							JERSEY:JUNE:24:1993
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From: Don_-_Showen@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 08:15:52 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I find it absolutely amazing how several someones can negate and deny their
spirituality by saying reincarnation does not exist and be proud of it!  I
thought all the Nazis had reincarnated into Scientology,  but I guess it
does make since some would come back as alleged scientests.  Since
reincarnation has been a natural law,  long,  long before science.  It is
up to Science to prove it does not exist.  I have been assisting folks to
remember their other lives for over twenty years.  I use biofeedback and
,excuse the unscientific term, love. I used to do skeptics but no matter
how many past lives they would remember they always negated their own
experience afterwards so basically I found it a waste of time to deal with
them.  No one but you is going to hold you accountable for what you have
done in your other lives,  so do not worry they will not put you on trial.
Go ahead notice your other lives,  that is where your richness and depth
is.  To me the only purpose of science is to affirm and exploit our
connection to creation.

Don Showen
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
From: mirage@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dean Joseph Sanvitale)
Subject: Yes, I'm sure.
Summary: RE: Are you sure? 
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 19:33:53 GMT


Yes, I am sure, but not absolutely.
From: smd@sl0091.srl.ford.com (Steve Dahmen)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Where is the navel chakra
Date: 16 Nov 1992 17:15:17 GMT
Organization: Scientific Research Lab, Ford Motor Company
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In article <BxrJ5I.3BD@brunel.ac.uk>, Linda.Birmingham@brunel.ac.uk (Linda Birmingham) writes:
:In article <1992Nov13.233417.3970@wkuvx1.bitnet> pierccm@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
:>In article <1992Nov13.180637.8517@linus.mitre.org>, tucker@mitre.org (William Tucker) writes:
:>> 
:>> I (William Tucker) think:
:>> 
:>> That the Hara and the 3rd chakra or solar plexus chakra are not the 
:>> same thing. I have a book specifically on the Hara, and it's spoken 
:>> of more in the way that Aikido masters speak of the center of balance
:>> and intent or purpose.
:I too have at one time been hung up about the location of the
:third chakra. My belief now is that there are a number of centres of
:energy in the whole of the abdominal region. The focus we use for
:meditation will depend on the teacher we are following. Some teachers are
:non-specific about location and leave you to find your own !

I just had to chuckle.... this whole question is rather profound.

We still don't know how to find our power!  Where is it?  I personally
like the idea of letting people grope around in their own inner worlds
and feel for themselves where their energies are.... with minimal 
interpretation.

Speaking from my Haha Chakra....

-- 
Steve Dahmen ** Graphics Application Programmer
Ford Motor Company
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From: rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla)
Subject: Re: Past Life regression - the proof (was GSI Day)
Organization: Rescorla for himself.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:52:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.012854.16274@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
>Scott C DeLancey (delancey@darkwing.uoregon.edu) wrote:
>: their minds can do to them while they aren't looking.  Your memories--even
>: ordinary memories of everday pedestrian reailty--are
>: not factual records of objective truth, however much they may feel like
>: it.
>Unless backed up by a sizeable body of evidence.  If I say that I have been
>to location X, and seen Y, and ten people also go to location X and agree
>that they see Y, I'd think that's pretty convincing evidence that what we
>have here is a factual record.
Perhaps, but are we talking about that case or the one where ten people
go to locations x[0]-x[9] and see y[0]-y[9]?

-Ekr

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Newsgroups: talk.religion.newage,alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: jlg@cochiti.lanl.gov (J. Giles)
Subject: Re: Tea.
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:20:43 GMT

In article <69757@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
|> Dear Deep Thinkers: How about all of you people coming over to my
|> house 100,000 years from now. We'll laugh about all of this and 
|> drink some bubble up and eat some rainbow stew?
|> John Winston.

Oh, gee... I wish you'd posted this before.  I just made other arrangements
for that year.

-- 
J. Giles
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From: mpiet@is.morgan.com (Mark Pietrasanta)
Subject: Re: Big Bird
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:44:54 GMT

In article <serb.188@polisci.umn.edu>, serb@polisci.umn.edu (Scott Erb) writes:
|> In article <69886@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
|> 
|> >Subject; Big Bird.

[very odd story about a strange family and a money sucking psychic]

|> >John Winston.
|> 
|> I recently read that the Sesame Street Big Bird escaped, and due to 
|> contract negotiations is engaging in terror to try to bring the government 
|> to put pressure on Sesame Street, Inc. to give in to Big Bird's demands.  
|> You can go in alone at dark, despite the appearance, Big Bird is as gentle 
|> and friendly as she appears on TV.   -- scott
                   ^^^
Has anyone actually _seen_ something to indicate the gender of Big Bird?
I seem to vaguely remember Big Bird falling in love with someone on the show
(another bird or human), but I don't remember.

Has BB ever laid an egg? 

What is the BB courting ritual?

Mark Pietrasanta - mpiet@is.morgan.com
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