From: robear@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jay Michael)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Het males & bi-femmes
Date: 27 Dec 92 10:07:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

(long (but interesting! =))

Having read your newsgroup for several days now, it seems to me that y'all
just post like frenzied demons, so I thought I'd start a thread and see what
happens.

Disclaimer:  To my knowledge, I've been hardwired as a heterosexual male.
My writing style is erratic, prone to personal embellishments and quirks
based on mood and moment (for example, I think I'm in a somewhat long
worded phase right now, so bear with me).

Bi-related material:
	I've noticed in the heterosexual male world an occasional fascination 
with the bisexual woman (forgive the longhand, but the abbreviations are so
commonplace as to make the written out versions refreshing), ranging from 
'not having a problem with', to extreme interest or desireability.  I've seen
evidence of such just a few days ago, from an anonymous posting, on this
very newsgroup, and also in highly praised literature.  I read a lot of SF,
and occasionally bisexuality becomes part of the plot.  Take for example
Robert Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land", in which a sexual liberation
occurs through all the main characters.  Oddly enough, though all the female
characters don't have much of a problem with the new communal sex structure,
there is a noticeable reaction and avoidance of any M-M sex in the book,
almost as if, in the process of writing a radical book for his time, Heinlein
wasn't willing to go beyond the more 'socially acceptical aberation' of 
bi-fems explicitly.
	Fritz Leiber does a bit of this too, noticeably in his later books
of the Fafhrd and Grey Mouser swords and socery saga.  There is a passage in
the last book that goes like this, wherein the Mouser, an accidental voyuer
to lesbianish activity thinks to himself (Cif and Afreyt are F's and GM's SO's):

	"But one certainly cannot fault the little darlings for their 
	 occasional itch for eachother, since their taste is so exactly
	 like my own.  Strange, come to think of it, that Fafhrd and I have
	 never seemed to experience this like-sex urge.  Is it a deficiency
	 in us?  I must discuss the question with him some time.  And with 
	 Cif too, for that matter, ask her if she and Afreyt ever played 
	 games . . . no, maybe not ask, I could understand Afreyt lusting
	 for Cif, but not dear Ciffy for that beanpole Venus."

	F and GM never have that conversation, but Cif and Afreyt do admit
'off camera' so to speak, about that one incident when they were young . . .

	There are other examples, but I think I've made my point.  Perhaps 
all this is merely male 'extensioning' into the female psyche . . . the
fact that it is desireable behavior is due to the duplication factor--females
having the same desires as the man does, perhaps helping to bridge the 
mysterious gap between male and female, adding a sense of 'camaraderie'
and understanding in a less than usual way.

	But I don't see how any of this makes a difference unless there is
a polyamorous side to the story, wherein the male is allowed to experience
the bi-femme behavior first hand.  Otherwise, the bi side of the female
would remain a mysterious part of the woman, and instead of, for example,
cooperation in trying to win the favors of another bi-fem, there would
be an odd competition  . . . ;).  And from here it gets rather complicated,
as if it hadn't already.

	So what do y'all think?  As far as myself goes, I have only read the
words and thoughts the thoughts, never really talking the talk or especially
not walking the walk.  I figure net.posting is somewhere between thinking and
talking . . .

Hope y'all had a Merry Christmas, and have a Merry New Year!
(alt.religions-hope you had a nice Dec. 25th!)

Robear

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