From: dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier)
Subject: Re: Bob Dole, Sore Loser
Summary: Kid on Playground Eats Too Much Sugary Snacks, Then Blurts Political
Keywords: Inconsistent, inconsistent, inconsistent
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:43:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.072817.8182@netcom.com> nbh@netcom.com (N.B. Hedd) writes:
>Hey, Bob baby--you LOST! Get it through your head: your shot
>at the title went down the drain with Bush. You, Kemp, Baker,
>and Marilyn are the biggest losers in the entire country,
>and you know it (who in the right mind would vote for
>yet another corroded old Republican hack in '96?), and
>that's why you keep carping this ridiculous "Clinton doesn't
>have a mandate" bullsh*t.

They've voted for party hacks before, and they'll do it again.  Hell, they
voted for Clinton, who's beginning to show that he's just as capable of
making good ol' boy appointments as anyone else.  And Clinton's only true
mandate is to make sure his decisions don't piss off enough people that he 
gets voted out.  By several accounts, people who voted for Clinton voted 
for him because he wasn't Bush and they didn't think Perot or anyone else 
had a chance.  The rest of us who didn't want Bush to win and didn't like
Clinton either voted Perot or for a fourth party candidate.

>
>And make no mistake about it, Bush DID lose--indeed, if you
>flip around Dole's logic, then Bush REALLY didn't have a mandate,
>other than to pack and get the hell out of town. I mean, nearly
>70% of Americans who voted voted for someone besides Bush. Talk
^^^^^^^
>about no mandate. The way I read this mandate it goes: "The
>Republicans had better kick the Christian loons out of their party
>or we aren't EVER letting them get back in the White House".

Let's see, that's 38% of the voters for Bush = approx. 70% voted for 
someone besides Bush.  Yeah.  With addition like yours, it's no wonder 
we are sinking to the bottom of The Deficit Abyss (tm) 

>No mandate my ass. Hey, Dole--surely you're aware that the only
>president to do worse in this century than Bush was Taft? Carter
>did better. NIXON did better. FORD did better. And as a matter
>of fact, both Mondale and Dukakis did better than Bush. Bush got
>37.5%, which is roughly the proportion of mean-spirited right-wing
>lunatics to the saner base population. Taft got 23.2%. EVERYBODY
>ELSE THIS CENTURY DID BETTER. No mandate? Right. Basically, Bush
>and the neo-fascists went down so hard and ugly they're only
>claim is that at least they didn't come in dead last this century.
>They only came in SECOND to dead last.
>
If you are comparing Bush to losers of Presidential elections, he is by 
far not the worst.  Larouche, Gritz, Marrou, Fulani, Brown, Perot, and a
number of others all did worse THIS LAST ELECTION.  Second to dead last?
Horse Hockey.
>
>Furthermore, the states Bush DID manage to win he did so by the
>hair of his chinny chin chin. He won N. Carolina by 1 point. He
>won his putative home state of Texas by a mere 2.5 points, to a
>guy who not only refused to serve in the military but has been
>on record repeatedly saying gays shouldn't be discriminated
>against. He won Florida by less than 2 points. If Perot had
>been out of the race, there's a pretty good chance Clinton would
>have one at least two of those three states, which would have
>MORE than made for that magic 51% number. Hell, before Perot
>got back in Clinton was at 55 vs Bush's 35. Perot is all that
>kept Bush from dead last this century!

Another misrepresentation of fact.  According to exit polls, Perot had
influence in only one state: Ohio.  If Perot had not been running, Bush 
would have won this state.

[Babbling predictions deleted, neural evaluation calls for high dosages 
of lithium and a straight jacket.]

I hope posting this was fun.  I know I found it good for a laugh.

-- 
Douglas C. Meier		|  I have a trig midterm tomorrow and I'm
Northwestern University, ACNS 	|  being chased by Guido the killer pimp.
This University is too Commie-	|  -Miles, from "Risky Business"
Lib Pinko to have these views.	|  dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
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