HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL N. RITTER)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Nov. 23, 1992 A day that will go down IN INFAMY!
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:11:06 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


   Clinton supporters beware...Democrats, Repubs, Liberts and Indeps beware.
Every tax increase that Pres. Bush veto'd will pass. Watch...The peace talks
are doomed. You just elected an entire crew to government to do what you TRIED
to accuse Reagan and Bush tried to do. You thought the S&L scandle was bad?
Wait. It'll look like a bounced check compaired to what's on the way for the
economy in the next 4 years. You (as a whole) just elected an entire slew of
immoral, incompetent, "do as I say, not as I do" boobs into positions  of
great impact on your lives.
   People's votes reflect thier lifestyle or what they want in a lifestyle I
guess this means that SPOUSE nonconsentual adultery, lying, draft dodging,
weasling and stealing is now the acceptable wasy of life.
--People such as Clinton, Kennedy, Carol Mosley Braun, Barbara Boxer and
Marian B. Why were all the men pitched for check kiting, when the women were
doing the same thing? I guess it's ok for a convicted drug user to be
elected to city counsel but a president share multi purpost technology, such
as welding lasers, because they might not be used for the purpose thay were
attent in.
   We have stated the journey's to ounish ourselves by electing corrupt people
to our government.
   This so called "No tax for the middle class is a load of cr*p here's why;

   House Bill==>  HR 4848 Bottledby committee 'cause a Rep won't sign in. This
   Bill lowers the threshhold of the inheritente from $600,00 to 200,00 so he
   can tax it. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING you own  can be taxed between 33 and
   55%! If inflation rises, Your assets will increase, which will make the
   $200,000 mark more easy to attain.
                       THIS IS THE MAN YOU VOTED FOR!!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast
From: pjm@anegada.sps.mot.com (Patrick J. McGuinness)
Subject: Re: Celebration in the Streets
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin TX
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:45:59 GMT

In article <5NOV199211522406@utkvx3.utk.edu> drevik@utkvx3.utk.edu (Drevik, Steve) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.151831.25497@linus.mitre.org>, m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes...
>> 
>>After Clinton was elected, there were celebrations in the streets in two
>>cities:
>>		Little Rock, Arkansas
>>		Bagdad, Iraq 
>>Think about it.
>
>Yes, and if Canada had bombed my city, my neighborhood, destroyed my
>sewage treatment plants and power generating station, and Brian
>Mulrooney were defeated, I would celebrate, too.
>
>This "Saddam can't wait to invade again now that Clinton is in
>office" line is total bullshit.  Do you guys really believe this
>garbage?  'course not...just another thing to whine about.


What *we* believe is irrelevent ... it's what Saddam believes that
will effect his (mis)behavior.  That he's celebrating suggests
that *he* thinks he may be cut some more slack.

Pat

"Visualize Kemp President."
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.usa.misc,alt.politics.elections
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: [t.p.drugs] total votes for all candidates
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:15:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.134113.1408@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:

>           Andrew Marrou, Oth 64,328 - 0 percent

Who?  Never heard of him.
-- 
SICKNESS IS HEALTH
MADNESS IS WISDOM                  | hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
DRINKING IS STRENGTH               | WWIVNet 1@2750  WWIVLink 1@12754
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:59723 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:8432 alt.president.clinton:342
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:00:03 EST
From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: A TRUE LANDSLIDE
 <92315.011135MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Nov11.212610.17421@b8.b8.ingr.com>

In article <1992Nov11.212610.17421@b8.b8.ingr.com>, larry@b8.b8.ingr.com (Larry
Billings) says:

>Since most Clinton voters want to split the 20% of the vote Clinton got
>between Demo's and Rep's why do you think it is only Rep's who are upset
>about the election.  The knife does cut both ways.  Think about it.

[I assume you meant "the 20% Perot got..."]

Frankly, I don't see any Clinton supporters "upset about the election."
Personally I'm delighted with it. We won, that's what we were aiming for.

The reason people post to comment that if Perot hadn't been in, his 20%
would have gone half to Clinton and half to Bush is that unrepentant
Bush supporters are continually posting about how "57% voted against
Clinton," intentionally or not implying that all of Perot's votes would
have gone to Bush. Not the case. Had Perot not been in, Clinton STILL
would have won, 53-49. As H. Ross himself would say, "It's just that simple."

>BTW I voted against Clinton, but am willing to let him try to hold off the
>"raise taxes congress" before questioning whether or not his parents were
>married.

Excellent! That's all we ask, give the man a chance now that he's been
duly elected.

 "But Dr. Radium, was that necessary?" "Rez, _everything_ I do is necessary."
[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions they'd probably try to charge me for it.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.rush-limbaugh,talk.rumors,alt.activism
From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE)
Subject: Re: President Clinton
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:12:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.023941.23946@Princeton.EDU>, niepornt@fish.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes...
>In article <8NOV199201395076@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov4.155545.15345@news.vanderbilt.edu>, rickertj@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (John Rickert) writes...
>>>In article <1992Nov3.211100.3050@nic.csu.net> jtinkle@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (j. tinkle ) writes:
> 
>>Funny how all those who complained about a judiciary active in protecting police
>>and preventing the guilty from being freed on legal technicalities are now so
>>enthusiastic about a judiciary which will be active in shielding criminals and
>>overturning democratically arrived at laws.
> 
>Funny about how all those people who think the Constitution is a
>technicality don't complain when Oliver North and John Poindexter are
>freed on technicalities.

I was calling for North and Poindexter to be court-martialled and stood up
in front of a firing squad in 1987, actually.

>Funny about those strict constructionists who seem to want to ignore the
>Bill of Rights when it suits them.

Not at all.  By the way, do you consider the 2nd Amendment part of the Bill of
Rights?


Dave


Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:59304 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:8271 alt.president.clinton:251
Organization: The Leader Desslok School of Diplomacy
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 01:11:35 EST
From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.president.clinton
Subject: Re: A TRUE LANDSLIDE
 <1dlri4INNbmo@travis.csd.harris.com> <1992Nov9.232842.13241@athena.cs.uga.edu>

In article <1992Nov9.232842.13241@athena.cs.uga.edu>, heath@athena.cs.uga.edu
(Terrance Heath) says:

>        Can we stop dickering over numbers now? The next President has
>been chosen. Can we all just get about the bussiness of making this
>dang country work?

Apparently not. I expect to read posts about this by Republicans still in
denial for the next several months.

People, it's President Clinton now. Gag or applaud as is your wont, but
whining about the percentages won't change one single thing.

 "But Dr. Radium, was that necessary?" "Rez, _everything_ I do is necessary."
[Your blood pressure just went up.]        Mark Sachs IS: mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu
DISCLAIMER: If PSU knew I had opinions they'd probably try to charge me for it.
From: 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: President Clinton's Cabinet
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:08:39 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.misc
Organization: Ball State University

In article <7928@transfer.stratus.com>, dennist@sw.stratus.com (Dennis Tetreault) writes:
> Guess what I heard on Bos radio, and read in the Herald. cabinet choices.
> 
> Think of it: Sec of Housing & Urban Development - Boston Mayor  Ray Flynn
>              Sec of Education : Michael Dukakis  (he's baaaaaack!)
>  Others: Jimmy Carter, John "watch this Biden tape" Sasso, for Chief of Staff
> and a host of others.
> 

Jimmy Carter probably won't take a cabinet position... He's more likely to
be just an advisor...

Stephanapolous (shit I hate that name) is a good choice for Press Secretary...

Les Aspin has been mentioned for Sec of Defense (will Nunn leave the Senate?)

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|  Vax--00RDHARRINGT@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu  |       Unix--herring@bsu-cs.bsu.edu  |
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Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:58294 alt.politics.elections:22709 alt.war.vietnam:438
From: olsenm@ccmail.orst.edu (Monte Olsen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,alt.war.vietnam
Subject: Re: Stockdale is a Bumbling Idiot
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:57:08 GMT
Organization: OSU Extension Service
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A71EBCE57101A70D@reynolde-mac.ads.orst.edu>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 5 Nov 92 19:58:29 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

In article <Bx86zC.2Fr@cs.uiuc.edu> David Kohr,
drk@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>Yes, it's a shame they didn't appreciate our efforts to
brutalize them with
>free-fire zones, carpet bombing, defoilation, and our
support for the South
>Vietnamese police state.
>-- 
Dave,
I've decided it's doing no good to respond to you. You've
got your thoughts on the matter, and I've got mine. We're
not going to change either of our minds. I was there.
Maybe you were and maybe you weren't.

Yes, the burden of proof is on me. The proof is obvious:
we're not there anymore. 

I'm not going to honor your insipid final comment with a
response. It doesn't deserve one. Go ahead and post all
you want. I've noticed that people like you tend to resort
to name calling and shrieking. Be my guest. I choose from
now on not to participate in discussions with you. It
doesn't do anything but raise my blood pressure and yours

Monte
(War mongering baby killer and village burner that I am)
From: 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: <None>
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:58:34 GMT
Organization: Ball State University

In article <1992Nov11.051249.16658@gibdo.engr.washington.edu>, bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob) writes:
> 
>   Anyone know the zipcode to the White House?
> 
>   I'm just going to send a card to:
> 
>                   The President of the United States
>                   The White House
>                   Washington D.C.  zipcode?
> 

Doesn't everyone know that the White House is at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave?

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Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Bespectacled Bill C.
Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:13:26 GMT

an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes:
>>have you? Clinton was regularly shown studying for the debates with his
>>glasses on.
>
>      No, I surely don't remember Clinton having glasses during
>the debates, and I saw ALL of them.

Perhaps *you* need a pair of glasses. :-)  You seem to have missed the
words "studying for" in the posting you quoted.

--Tim Smith
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:58051 alt.politics.elections:22524
From: matt@physics16.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections
Subject: It's finally over...
Date: 4 Nov 92 22:26:55
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
Reply-To: matt@physics.berkeley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics16.berkeley.edu

Well, the election is finally over.  This was only the second time in
my life when a Democrat was elected President; it was the first time
that I had ever voted for a winning Presidential or Senatorial
candidate.  

I'm happy about the results.  I don't expect Bill Clinton to be a
truly great President, but I do think that he will be very
good---easily the best we have had in my life.

And now that it's all over, I don't think that I'll be hanging around
this newsgroup so much any more.  So goodbye to you all, and thanks to
those of you who helped to keep up our morale when things were looking
grim. 
--
Matthew Austern                   Just keep yelling until you attract a
(510) 644-2618                    crowd, then a constituency, a movement, a
austern@lbl.bitnet                faction, an army!  If you don't have any
matt@physics.berkeley.edu         solutions, become a part of the problem!
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.theory
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
Subject: Please, Help OVERTHROW the U-S-S-A  --  Boycott Christmas...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: please cross-post 
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 06:42:00 GMT

  --= Help Overthrow the United-Socialist-States-of-America =--

When you see an advertiser, retailer, or promo that pushes Christmas
*before* December -- please boycott them.

Better yet -- join the general boycott -- buy only what you *need*. 
(It's better for your sanity, environment, and financial wellbeing.) 

Please -- trash your TV sets and radios. The Press & Media both push
Socialist-Political-Propaganda and Compulsive-Consumerism. Get a fax,
shortwave, scanner, or another computer instead. Best of all -- get 
a radio license and packet gear -- be an `intercaster.' 

Please, use the time you gain to teach the kids. Read to them. Teach 
'em to write. And how to research.

Please, pass on your newspapers =with comments=.

Please, take your money out of savings, even small amounts, before your
bank collapses. That way you won't have to pay income-tax to cover your
own money. The feds don't insure it -- you do. Spread it out in several
safety-deposit boxes or in checking accounts which allow cash machine
withdrawal. (It's nuts to bail-out your own money through Uncle, and 
immoral to push it off on someone else, or on your kids.)

Please, spend more and more of your time away from the city. Take a
vacation in the country, or even a sabbatical for a couple of years. 
The most subversive thing you can do against the Socialists is Quit.
(They can't support their scams, schemes, and shams on their own.)

When you can, work abroad for a year at a time -- your income won't be
federally taxed. They still get you on social security, but you can find
places where the local taxes are less (ex. Marshall Islands) compared to
the federal "investment" con. (That's what the NAFTA scammers do.) Be
a missionary. Don't give your life to the Internal Investment Service.

And when you see an advertisement -- in your mind count it as another 
stroke against that company or propagandists.  -* Deprogram Yourself *-

Please, wage your own independent irregular unconventional campaign.
(The more complexity the socialists have to deal with the better.)

          --= Please, please, help overthrow the USSA =--


Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: cadesjar@lagrange.uwaterloo.ca (Curtis Desjardins)
Subject: Re: Fear.  Lots of fear.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:36:31 GMT

In article <BxKEyI.15H@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>if a gay landlord decided to kick out a straight person because
>they didn't want to rent to heterosexuals, the tenant could sue.

...but it doesn't work the other way? This is the kind of stuff that
gets my blood boiling. All people, at some point in thier lives, are
discriminated against in one form or another. Call it the immaturity
of Man, but it seems unavoidable. But seeing as how most of us are
protected against it in some way, we have to continue to live with
it because of the unprotected rghts of lesbigays. 

What I would like to know is why we have to continue to live with
this bullshit. It's beyond me. Someone (sorry, I forget who) posted
this and it sounds like good advice for the fag-bashers:
"Stop acting like God, and start acting like Jesus."

========================= Fluffy the Wonder Bunny ============================
       Sex is not the answer, sex is the question. Yes is the answer.
================== cadesjardins@descartes.waterloo.edu =======================
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From: markts@mcl.ucsb.edu (mark t schmidt)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: tax or spend? do it now mr. bill.
Summary: tax now. spend later.
Keywords: clinton, tax, spend, deficit
Date: 7 Nov 92 05:03:16 GMT



  clinton may not have a mandate. but he seems to enjoy
  a good base of support from most everyone. if not on
  ideals, at least on the principal that he is the president.
  now, which should he do first? tax or spend?

  it sounds as though he will spend first. to "get the
  economy moving again." this is a mistake.

  while he does have the support of the people he should
  enact a plan to fix the deficit first. tax or cut spending
  right now and take care of business. if no one else, at least
  20% of the people will support him (the perot-bots).
  i think comsumer confidence will return on its own if the
  deficit were cut. increasing spending will increase
  consumption just because more cash is out there, not 
  because the will to spend is high. 

  so let's cut the deficit. cut government. 

  yeech. sincerity makes me sick mark. shut up.

  mark.

  mst3k until the cows come home.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:60013 ca.politics:9559 misc.legal:19886
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Seventh Circuit Bound)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,ca.politics,misc.legal
Subject: Re: "Monsters Among Us", Frontlines, November 10, 1992, PBS
Date: 13 Nov 92 23:36:17 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <Bxny3z.Aww@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l) writes:
>If Hillary Clinton and our lawyer elite succeeds in making child
>divorce legal, as they have made great strides towards, how long will it
>be before a "mature" 12-year old decides to divorce his(her) parents and move
>in with his(her) 34-year old molester?  

Well, even if everything Hillary Clinton ever proposed in writing were
implemented, a twelve-year-old would never be able to divorce his or her
parents and move in with a child molester.

Perhaps you should attack something besides a straw man.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: The end of the Reagan Era
Date: 5 Nov 92 16:58:18 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Oct27.100214.12998@Princeton.EDU>, niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:

>No, he lied, and you're mistaken.
>Quayle claimed that Gore advocated spending $100 billion on an
>environmental Marshall Plan.  He said it was on page 304.
>Actually, Gore said no such thing anywhere, though he did mention the
>general topic on page 304.

The crucial statement:
---------------------
>What Gore *SAID* was that an environmental Marshall plan would be nice.
>And that the Marshall plan was 2% of our GNP.  So it would come out to
>$100 billion in today's economy.

According to _my_ dictionary (kindly provided online by the Gutenburg Project):

ad.vo.cate \'ad-v*-k*t, -.ka_-t\ n
  1: one who pleads another's cause
  2: one who argues or pleads for a cause or proposal

Stating that the plan would be nice _is_ an argument for the proposal. Indeed,
the whole _book_ is an argument for the proposal.  But the definition of the
word implies nothing about attempts to implement.  Whether he went on to talk
about its political feasability or not, this statement _is_ advocacy.

It sounds to me like Quayle was dead on the mark, and was again made out the
fool by people who figured they would get away with it because he is not
well-liked by the media.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
-
Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,
it is the freedom to do whatever we are able.
Xref: sparky talk.politics.misc:59642 sci.psychology:4349
From: esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,sci.psychology
Subject: Re: Politics and Personality Type (was Re: Why????)
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:14:53 GMT

In <1537@tecsun1.tec.army.mil> Bill Riggs wrote:
> 	NT - 12 %
> 	NF - 12 %
> 	SJ - 38 %
> 	SP - 38 %
>
> 	Which would bias the political system to the right, with "social
> conservatives" (SJ) outweighing their left wing counterparts, the NFs.
> Forward Thinkers (NTs) get split up according to their ideologies

This works so well it's scary.
-- 
					Eric S. Raymond <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
From: dscharfe@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com (David Scharfe)
Subject: Re: bill needs some math classes.
Keywords: clinton, taxes, spending, deficit
Organization: Datapoint Corporation, San Antonio, TX
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:55:24 GMT

In article <markts.721347002@mcl> markts@mcl.ucsb.edu (mark.) writes:
>
> heard yesterday that bill was going to raise
> taxes by 160 billion. raise spending by 200
> billion. cut military by 40 billion.
>
> now i only have degrees in economics and 
> geography, and i only work for a software
> company. so there is no given that math is
> my strong suit. just take my word for it.
>
> the deficit will grow with this plan.
> you see, interest compounds. the principal
> needs to decrease. but 200 - 200 equals
> 0. 
>
> i never thought a democrat would tax too little.

Well, from how I see it, it's not a matter of taxing too
little, but of spending too much.  

What else did anyone expect under Clinton than an
increase deficit, anyway?