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From: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NL OPI Final
Date: 7 Oct 1992 17:45:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard)
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In a previous article, schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt) says:

>      0.74*1B + 1.28*2B + 1.64*3B + 2.25*HR + 0.53*BB + 0.34*(SB-2*CS)
>OPI = ----------------------------------------------------------------
>                              AB - H
>
>BA = H / AB
>
>SLG = (H + 2B + 2*3B + 3*HR) / AB
>
>OBA = (H + BB) / (AB + BB)
>

  What is OPI designed to measure?  It looks like something per out, but what
is that something?  I understand BA, SLG, and OBP, but the OPI formula is
rather cryptic.

  Along the same lines, what does OPS measure?  It combines two numbers that
I understand into some master quantity.  Having read this group off and on
for about 2 years, I've learned to rank players' offensive production by
OPS.  Does it measure a specific skill besides the rather vague sounding
"skill at batting"?

SfH

-- 
Steven F. Hubbard                 **  It's like Deja vu  
Case Western Reserve University   **              all over again. 
Department of Physics             ** 
Cleveland, OH 44106               **                   Yogi Berra
From: rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Eric Show (was Re: john birch society)
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:41:44 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <alchemy.719179358@cs1.bradley.edu>, alchemy@cs1.bradley.edu
(Mike Swiston) writes:
|> jimdean@bnr.ca (Jim Dean) writes:
|> 
|> % > no, i don't know what piece of baseball history eric show will
|> always
|> % > be remembered for.  please enlighten me.
|> 
|> % I believe he is the pitcher who gave up Pete Rose's 4192nd hit, the
|> % record-breaker.
|> 
|> Cubs fans will always remember him for drilling
|> Andre Dawson in the face.
|> 

And how.  After Andre jacked those balls out of the park, too.

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:36:22 EDT
From: kate the great <AMY105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Who Won todays' ALCS???

I'm stuck here in the computer lab doing a stupid project and I have no idea
if the A's died (I hope so)  Could anyone fill me in on the score?? I would
really appreciate it... thanks.... --kate
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From: cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper)
Subject: Re: Pirates!!!1   NOT!
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:29:26 GMT

tconnors@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Tim Connors ) writes:

>In article <4eqrNWe00WBK47o18o@andrew.cmu.edu> sk4n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Scott Ryan Kirkpatrick) writes:
>>
>>inning 2    ANY QUESTIONS?????????????
>>
>>PIRATES!!!!!PIRATES!!!!!PIRATES!!!!!PIRATES!!!!!PIRATES!!!!!PIRATES!!!!!
>          (X 50)

>Scott,
>    The patriotism is admirable, but you do realize that you're TOAST if
>they lose.... :>

	Time to bring out the butter!
	2 rbi's for a ROOKIE, 2 outs, bottom of the 9th!  The last game
	I saw of this caliber was game 7 of last years World Series!  
	Drabek pitched too well to take the loss, but perhaps this will
	encourage the Pirates to beef-up the bullpen for next year.

>P.S. Blue Jays over (any team here) in 6.

	I'll take the Braves in 6.

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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Sheffield is NL MVP
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:00:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.164107.4159@news2.cis.umn.edu> thornley@pico.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.182056.1015@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:

>>>>?? This doesn't address the statement at all. And if you're looking at 
>>>>"problems", it might be pointed out that OBP gives exactly the same weight
>>>>to HR as to walks.
>>>
>>>This is absurd.  OBP is not attempting to measure a player's overall
>>
>>Now, it's no more "absurd" than saying "the problem with SLG is that it doesn't
>>include walks", now is it?
>>
>Semantics.  Actually, I can't say that SLG "should" or "shouldn't" include
>something.  What we *mean* is that we tend to judge players by how often
>they get on base (as opposed to making an out), and how much they advance
>others (and themselves).  The first part is clearly OBP, and the second
>is *mostly* SLG, and is certainly more like SLG than anything else we've
>got readily available.

Which was rather my point. *I* didn't start out by saying "the problem with
SLG is it doesn't include xxx" It wasn't meant to do so. Criticizing it for
a perceived lack is as inaccurate as criticizing OBP for its perceived lacks.

>>>That's probably true, but most teams in the majors (if not all) need OBP
>>>more than they need SLG, so therefore OBP is more valuable.
>>
>>?? It depends on your team. As both contribute to scoring (and BTW, for the
>>most part, they are the same thing) it would depend on your team's needs. 
>>Another high OBPer behind Thomas isn't going to drive him in any more often.
>>
>Flat statement:  for all major league teams, past and present, OBP is
>more valuable than SLG, point for point.  How much more valuable varies.
>You might be able to make up a team for which that didn't apply (high
>OBP, low SLG) but I want to see it before I'm convinced.

And as I pointed out, (and you apparantly agree) the "point-for-point" 
comparison is mostly an artifact of the way they are measured.

>This doesn't mean you can't find roles for low-OBP sluggers, but that
>the team would be better off with somebody of the same OPS and higher
>OBP (who might well not be available, of course).

I don't agree here. A LOT depends on how good the players are immediately behind
him in the order.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: gt4925b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jason Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Atlanta DH?
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:23:13 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Politically Incorrect and Proud of It

In <1992Oct17.000002.9737@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker) writes:

>In article <Bw8FFt.AL5@doppler.ncsc.org> kmoore@ncsc.org (Kevin Moore) writes:
>>Any idea who the Atlanta DH will be? Lonnie Smith? One could make a case
>>for Deon's speed in the lineup. Maybe bat him 9th in front of Nixon. It would
>>be good to get him involved since he saw little action in the NLCS.

>You are assuming that the Braves keep him on the WS roster after his
>latest two-year-old imitation...

>Personally, there's no way I'd put such an immature jerk on my World
>Series roster, or my protected list ( how wonderful if an ex-FSU
>boy should end up in Miami...

>Clay D.


I heard on the radio this evening that Deion will be on the WS roster.
The only remaining question is Kent Merker - he apparently
reinjured his ribs during the post-game celebration.

If he is unable to pitch, he would be replaced with either Al Pena
(who is healthy again, but who knows for how long), or David Nied
(who pitched very well in September - the Braves would then have
6 legitimate starting pitchers to choose from, though Nied would
pitch in relief.)

As for DH, Deion is a possibility, though he has played little since
August.  Lonnie Smith or Brian Hunter would also be good as DH.

Wait a minute - there is one more guy - some obscure 1b/catcher - 
I think his name is Cabrera.


-- 
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt "Some Guy" Bose)
Subject: Re: Sad News....
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 00:15:03 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: na

In article <lsmith.719178365@mega> lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>With all this hoopla about the World Series and all, some important news
>has been missed.
>
>The St Louis Cardinals announced that they would not be picking up the
>contract options on the The Large Kitty, Die Grosse Katze, El Grosso
>Gatto, Andres Galarraga or Milt Thompson.
>
>A stunned r.s.bb looks on in wonder...

Well, see, the problem was, Andres was beginning to look good the last month
or two of the season.  But that's okay.  I hear Dal Maxvill is looking to
pick up Gerald Young and play him at first...


-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
Keeper of the R.S.BB FAQ, and Junior Stathead {tm} * Maintainer, R.S.BB Archive
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I'd rather see Doug Dascenzo pitch than suffer through John Burkett's batting..
From: bradley@novell.com (Brad Soe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: SF offer for Giants
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:17:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

In article <1992Oct13.173946.20353@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> kthompso@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Kevin Thompson) writes:
>In article <13OCT199210063429@mary.fordham.edu> nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct12.222615.3279@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com 
>>(Sherri Nichols) writes...
>>>The reported bid by the Tampa Bay group was $115 million, which included a
>>                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>$10 million loan by Bob Lurie.  
>
>What goes around comes around.  According to this morning's San Jose paper,
>when Lurie bought the team (~1974), he offered about 1/3 less than a group of
>Toronto buyers (something like 10 vs. 17 million?).  Owners approved the
>Lurie deal in the interests of franchise continuity (and gave Toronto an
>expansion team within 2 or 3 years).  So don't pity Lurie for not getting
>"fair market value", he didn't pay it either ....

According to KNBR radio this morning. Lurie bought the Giants for 8 million
back in '76. Toronto had offered 13 million. 

Brad

Brad Soe
bradley@novell.com
From: dcbeck@indyvax.iupui.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Japan Central League
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:25:45 -0500

After looking at the final standings of the Japan Central League I noticed they
have Ties.  There is no way that only four times during that whole season that
two teams were tied after 9 innings.  How many innings does a game have to go
before it is called a "tie"?

Maybe if I go watch "Mr. Baseball" I'll find the answer.  Does anybody know if
that was a good movie?

Dave Beck
DCBECK@Indyvax.IUPUI.edu
From: grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bond's Post-Season Woes Continue.
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:34:35 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
In-reply-to: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu's message of Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:51:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.175155.10032@midway.uchicago.edu>, Citecheck Hell writes:

> CBS, to their credit, showed the five players who have gone 0-for-21
> or worse with runners on base in postseason:

> - Gene Tenace (went on to win World Series MVP)
> - Barry Bonds
> - Reggie Jackson (Mr. October himself)
> - Graig Nettles (didn't he hit a LCS-winning HR?)
> - Walt Weiss (well, whose stupid idea was it to put him at the top of
>               the lineup anyway?)

> Now, anyone wanting to bench Bonds would apparentally want to bench these
> four others also...  I can see Weiss (who's always been overrated), but
> the other three?

Weiss was benched for Game 1 of the ALCS.

And if you want to put faith in such things, consider Dave Winfield.
CBS pointed out that he was 3 for 35 in poststeason play going 
into Game 1.  It is less likely that this would happen due to random
chance than that Jack Morris would go 7-1.  Therefore, if you want to
start Morris three times in the ALCS because he is a "proven big-game
pitcher," you should also believe that Winfield is a "proven big-time
choker," and keep him out of the lineup.

Neither reputation was sustained last night; Winfield led the Jays'
offense, and Morris allowed just what you would expect a pitcher with a
4.06 ERA to allow in nine innings.

> Barry Bonds is by far the best hitter the Pirates have.  It would
> be foolish to bench him (assuming he's healthy).

Agreed.  Likewise, I think the Blue Jays would be crazy to bench
Winfield just because he happened to have two bad series.  And it is
such logic that is the reason I picked Oakland to win the ALCS; the Jays
may have a better team, but they aren't putting their best players on
the field.


--
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"Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again."
Disclaimer: I speak for no one and no one speaks for me.
From: jimdean@bnr.ca (Jim Dean)
Subject: Re: YOU make the call!
Originator: jimdean@bcrks81
Reply-To: jimdean@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:27:12 GMT


In article <Ahn-131092104902@branford-college-node.net.yale.edu>, Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn) writes:
> OK baseball buffs. It's time for Euge's Wacked Out "You make the Call"
> 
> 
> I had a dream that I was thrown out at home after trying to score from
> third on a fly ball to the OF. I actually crossed the plate well before the
> ball came to home, but apparently I had left third too early. On an instant
> replay, the OF bobbled the ball. The ball hit the palm of his glove,
> bounced down. He reached with his hand and knocked the ball back up in the
> air. Three seconds later, the ball was in his glove without having hit the
> ground. The refs ruled that I had left third right after the ball bounced
> off his glove but way before he had actually caught the ball. Thus I had
> left 3rd too early and was out. Inning was over and the Braves' winning and
> clinching run of the NLCS was nullified in the bottom of the ninth. Pirates
> went on to win the 6th and 7th game and the NL title. :-(. Barry actually
> hit a homer in the 7th to make Braves fans say "oohhhh, this IS a strange
> series."
> 
> Were the refs right?

Arrrgggh. "Umpires", please.

First of all, please note this is an "appeal" play. The umps don't
make this call unless the opposition throws the ball to third base
before the next pitch and asks the umpire there to rule on whether or
not you left too soon. Let's assume this is what happened in your
dream.

I believe the umps made the correct call in this case.  I don't have
the rule book in front of me, but I believe that the
"tagging-up-on-a-fly-ball" rule refers to a player having "control" of
the ball (i.e. not necessarily "catching" it).

If the player knocked the ball up in the air on purpose, that could be
deemed intentional and that he had 'control' of the ball, and you (the
base runner) would be safe, not having left too early.

The reason for this is part of baseball history. An outfielder, I
forget who, perfected the art of 'not catching' the ball, in which he
juggled the ball all the way into the infield before actually
squeezing it in his glove. The old rule, "catch", meant the base
runners had to hold until he 'caught' the ball in the infield! The new
rule, "control", meant as soon as he started juggling the base runners
could leave the base.

It should be noted that "juggling" would be a truly bizarre call and
one that I have never seen at any level.  So, even in your dreams,
"YOU'RE OUTTA THERE!" (on appeal).

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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: I don't understand
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:56:16 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Oct9.171653.17399@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> doerfler@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Mark T. Doerfler) writes:
>My question: the runners are awarded one base when the ball enters the dugout,
>and since the lead runner had already passed third base, why was he not allowed
>to score?

According to the paper, the rule is as you said one base if untouched two
bases if touched(note the initial deflection off the catcher does not count).
The umpire was quoted as saying the key on the play is to remember where 
the runners were when the pitch was thrown. They then showed the rule and
it did say one base, but did not specify if its from where they start or
where they were when it goes into the dugout. LaRussa seemed to agree they
got the call right. Bad luck.




Russ Smith
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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: Re: Bring in Walk
Originator: delarocq@c00075-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:38:13 GMT





  I WAS YELLING AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS IN THE 7TH:

  PUT WALK IN!! YOU GOTTA PUT HIM IN! NOW!!!!!!!!

  DRABEK IS NOT A COMPLETE GAMER!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  But, no, Belinda went in, and, disaster.


  I personally think that Belinda should not have been there in the first place,
  and that the Bucs SHOULD HAVE ADDED TO THE SCORE BEFORE THE 9TH!!!!!!!!!



  AGONY......,,.,,...,,.
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From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: Top of 9 may have been it
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:33:43 GMT

In article 1@kean.ucs.mun.ca, pmorris@kean.ucs.mun.ca () writes:
>|It certainly was one of the most exciting games I have ever seen. Most 
>|previous posters have commented on the dramatics of the bottom of the
>|ninth, but we shouldn't ignore what transpired in the top of the inning.
>|
>|The Bucs had a chance to pad the lead. It's a single to the outfield
>|and the 3-b coach send Orlando Merced from second to try to score.
>|Bam -- Dave Justice guns down Merced.  Why? Because of Justice's arm, but
>|moreso because of Berryhill's positioning. If Lavalliere had positioned 
>|himself to block the plate in the bottom of the ninth, Bream is out and
>|we're into extra innings.
>|

True enough, but what we did not see was if Bond's throw was off enough to pull 
Spanky Lavalliere off the home plate.  It may have been just a wide throw.


>|It was a tremendous game (it didn't end on t.v. here until 1:30 a.m.).
>|
>|The Series should be as exciting!! Will Cox's use of the Braves pitching
>|in Game 7 have a negative impact on their rotation for the Series. The Jays
>|seem to be set up nicely in this regard.
>|
>|Stig (in Newfoundland)


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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Designated Hitter Rule (was Australian Novice Asks Dumb Questions)
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:45:05 GMT

>jrm@zeta.ma.adfa.oz.au (John R Marley) writes:

>>Hello, I'm posting this for my flat-mate who's a big fan of Major League
>>Baseball. He wants to know ALL the rule differences between the AL and the NL,
>>and which set of rules get used in the World Series.


In article <joeb.718982665@cserver> joeb@cserver.plexus.com (Joe Brotz) writes:
>The one and only rule difference between the AL and the NL is the 
>designated hitter (DH) rule. In the AL, another player bats in the
>position that the pitcher would have normally hit in. In the World
>Series, the rules for the home team are observed. In the AL park, 
>there will be a DH, in the NL park, the pitchers hit (something
>the AL pitchers have not done all year).

But does the AL DH rule *require* that the pitcher not bat?  Could
either (1) All nine fielders bat or (2) the designated hitter bat in
the place of one of the other non-pitching fielders?
-- 
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From: jimdean@bnr.ca (Jim Dean)
Subject: Eric Show (was Re: john birch society)
Originator: jimdean@bcrks81
Reply-To: jimdean@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:37:18 GMT


In article <92288.193756RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>, RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu writes:
> no, i don't know what piece of baseball history eric show will always
> be remembered for.  please enlighten me.

I believe he is the pitcher who gave up Pete Rose's 4192nd hit, the
record-breaker.

He is further remembered for sitting down on the mound while the Rose
celebration continued. Some people saw this as a less-than-class act
by Show.

-- 
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mild-mannered computer scientist -->|Phone|--> President. Pitcher. My knuckler?
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Phone: (613) 763-2135 Fax: 763-7241 +-----+    Phone: (613) 723-1580
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh Fans
Date: 13 Oct 92 16:29:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: transfer.7183
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Oct13.151808.15458@sei.cmu.edu> dpw@sei.cmu.edu  
(David Wood) writes:
> By comparison, the Pirates outdrew teams from huge cities such as
> Boston, San Franscisco/ Oakland, both Chicago teams, Detroit,  
Philly,
> both LA-area teams, and both New York teams (these are the 7  
largest
> metro areas in the country, by the way - there is a definite  
pattern
> here). 

I agree with most of your post, but have one quibble here.  Boston
pretty much draws as many fans as they can draw. They fill Fenway
to 90+% of capacity every game.  Many cities have higher averages
because they can draw 50,000+ to big weekend games. Boston can't;
they only can fit about 33,000.  Thus it really isn't fair to
imply that somehow Boston fans don't do as good a job as fans in
some of these other cities. They do as well as the park allows.

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