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From: duncan@ravel.ati.com (Jim Duncan)
Newsgroups: ba.dance
Subject: Re: *Looking for Co-Ed Street Dance Funk*
Date: 7 Oct 92 05:07:31 GMT
Reply-To: duncan@ravel.ati.com.ati.com (Jim Duncan)
Organization: KUFX 94.5 FM Stereo, San Jose, CA 'The Fox'

In article <dennice-051092161828@bainbridge.slac.stanford.edu> dennice@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu (Dennice) writes:
>My fiance and I are looking for some Street Dance Funk classes somewhere in
>San Jose.  We found 1 in Fremont but it was for kiddies only.  We would be
>the only BIG people in the class and probly scare half the kids away.  So
>if you know of any let me know.   Thanxs

You need the Ariel Dance Studio, 3068 Scott Blvd., Santa Clara.  They
specialize in street funk, besides jazz and tap.  I haven't taken class
there (yet) since I've leaned a little more towards ballet, but I've
seen discussion of the place.  The most recent number I saw was
408-247-3657. 
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Newsgroups: ba.dance
From: dmcnamar@netcom.com (Dennis McManara)
Subject: Oct. Ceili, wrong time
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:11:35 GMT

The October Ceili will start at 6:30 on Sunday, 10/11/92, at the
UICC, 45th Ave at Sloat in SF. They want to start early to give
parents a chance to dance before they have to get the kids home
to bed.
Ce/ad Mile Fa/ilte

-- 
Dennis McNamara dmcnamar@netcom.com
Purveyor of Fine Software: Composer's WorkBench
From: mlee@adaclabs.com (Mike Lee )
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Air Show
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:17:13 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Adac Laboratories, Milpitas Ca

In article <1992Oct8.173049.2497@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>In article <Apgar-071092202556@17.32.26.95> Apgar@Apple.com (Gar) writes:
>>The program for the Travis Air Show (last sat) lists the Blue Angels
>>schedule and says they will be in SF 10/10/92...
>>Anyone know anything about this?
>
>Fleet Week.  Only been on the news.
>
The Blue Angels are going to be flying both in SF on Oct 10th and in
Mountain View at Moffett Field NAS on Oct 17-18.

In San Francisco, the show is supposed to start at 1pm around the 
Marina Green.  You can seen from almost anywhere (even from the Berkeley
Pier, but the best place to see them is on top of the Pier 39 parking garage.
Before the Blue Angels fly, there is supposed to be a parade of ships
(BIG ones like an Air Craft Carrier and Destroyers), sky diving, and 
free boat rides on navy shuttles from Pier 39 (I think). Check last
Sunday's (10/4) SF Chronicle for a complete schedule.

They are already practicing during lunchtimes today and tomorrow...

At Moffett NAS, I don't think they are going to fly both days (you never
know), but they are supposed to be there.

See you there 8^)
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From: werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Date: 9 Oct 1992 05:05:01 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: dimebox.cs.utexas.edu


 king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
>henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
|>eap@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
|>|> I hardly care about the meal service on aplane- I rather care about 
|>|> safety, when such a substantial difference exists.
|>
|>like i said: put up or shut up.  you've failed to demonstrate (with facts)
|>that this is true.  being a frequent flyer and follower of the airline
|>industry myself, i know of no evidence which suggests that carriers like
|>singapore, jal, ana, cathay pacific, etc. are less safe than us carriers.
>
>	Perhaps you're not such an expert on safety if you didn't 
>	know about the report.  I saw it too and I only fly once
>	in a while.  :^) It was about 5-6 pages long and had the
>	stats broken down by per person, per flight, etc.

allow me to echo Henry (whom you failed to quote on that):

|> cite a reference that i can check.  an ISBN or a title/author
|> combination will do fine.


>	You're going to look pretty stupid when someone shoves the 
>	damn thing under your nose after you've called them a liar 
>	so here's a suggestion: find it yourself first and do some 
>	fancy back-pedalling.

apparently you need a translation: Henry was saying "don't waste our time
with hand-waving, present something of substance";   I found your suggestion
that Henry has some back-pedalling to do, silly, based on what I just read;
nor did he make any suggestion of "liar", more like "in this society, it is
established custom to provide supportive evidence that others can cross-check"
are you trying to insult the reader's intelligence?!?


|>obviously not the only think you know nothing about.
>
>	The pot calling the kettle black.

the stove commenting on the blackness of everyone else .... ;-)


|># henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
>
>	Robin King
>	king@glacier.stanford.edu
>
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              "Free Advice and Opinions -- Refunds Available"
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
Subject: Re: Attractive Nuisance (was East Bay Regional Parks)
Followup-To: ba.politics
Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:01:15 GMT

    ====> Note followups should go to more appropriate newsgroup, w.i.h.d.
    In article <1992Oct7.192027.9087@eagercon.com>
    eager@eagercon.com writes:
    >It does matter. But it is not the only factor. A tresspass,
    >by an adult or child, does not excuse the owners liability
    >for consequences which he could have reasonablly forseen and
    >prevented.

    Why? Trespass is a crime, a violation of your rights. Should a
    man that rapes a pretty woman, and then gets AIDS from her as a
    result of that rape, sue her?

    After all: 1. She is an "attractive nuisance". This is a good one
		  to use if the rapist is somehwat mentally diminished.

	       2. She should have seen the consequences -- after all, it was
		  reasonable that if any one had sex with her they would
		  be endangered, no?

Sorry, whoever initiates coercion (violates property rights in this case)
gets whats coming to them.

Where were the parents???????




-- 
phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)

If all the contributions of Dead White Males, a.k.a. Dead White Loathsome
Oppressors, were to vanish, you'd have the Politically Correct(tm) Loathsome
Oppressors using dull rocks to hunt and the Politically Correct Women of
Vision and Strength(tm) using leaves for tampons.

These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em!  (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
Xref: sparky ba.general:4491 misc.legal:18740
From: mysti@sybase.com (Mysti)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.legal
Subject: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions
Date: 15 Oct 92 00:58:04 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <1992Oct9.194813.26078@linus.mitre.org> bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman) writes:


>I would argue that if a child drowns in a pool, it is his/her PARENTS
>who are responsible, for failing to teach them to respect other people's
>property. 

This is exactly the point that everyone keeps missing.  Children *cannot*
be reliably taught to judge dangerous situations, so the community must
take reasonable safeguards.

>It is NOT the neighbors responsibility to teach the kids right
>from wrong. It is the PARENTS.

yes, but it is also the case that this teaching takes a long time,
and until we can be sure the lessons have sunk in, those with A.N.'s
must take reasonable precautions.


>I am responsible for the misdeeds of my children. 

More accurately stated, you are responsible for bearing the cost of
your child's misdeeds.  I don't believe punitive damages are allowed when
it's an under-ager who has caused the damage.  Please correct mif I am
wrong.


>be responsible for my kids misdeeds. Trespassing on their property,
>[especially by climbing over a fence] is a misdeed. 

Only when the party doing the climbing can be presumed to understand
the nature and consequences of his/her act, and children are specifically
exempted from this requirement, not because decades of lawyerly work is
trying to rob you of your freedom, but because anybody who has worked with,
been around or bothered to think about children knows their judgment is
faulty.  That's why they kidnapped so much, they can't judge things as an
adult.

>The neighbors should
>not be held responsible if my kid drowns in their pool UNLESS he was invited. 

Only if the child can be assumed to be 100% responsible for his/her actions,
which under the law he/she is not.

>I have no argument for requiring a fence around pools. But I would argue
>that the purpose is to prevent accidents, rather than protect against
>intentional misdeeds by others.

You have to know it's a misdeed to committ a misdeed.

>What bothers me most is that lawsuits have been filed and won after 
>a drowning in a pool that WAS properly secured. This is grossly unjust.

For example?

>Children are NOT responsible. That is why their parents are held responsible
>for their actions.

To the extent that it is reasonable the parent can control their children's
actions.  Children go about the world unsupervised, with incomplete judgment
ability, and the rest of the society has to do what is reasonable to allow
for that.  

Mysti

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Newsgroups: ba.general
From: pal@xanadu.wpd.sgi.com (Anil Pal)
Subject: Re: US workers more productive.
Reply-To: pal@wpd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:16:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.191954.12327@cascade.Stanford.EDU>, eap@everest.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct14.231547.20734@pei.com> fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott) writes:
|> >
|> >Note that "Free Trade" is hostile to the concept of "buy American" (or
|> >any other country, for that matter) propaganda campaigns.
|> >
|> 
|> I think the point being made is that the Japanese aren't practicing 
|> Free Trade.  The claim is that they are producing "less efficient"
|> workers since they are selling in a protected market.

Yes, so what should we in the US do?  Practice "Free Trade" and have
efficient industries as a result, or practice protectionism ("buy
American") and have inefficient industries?

I (and many of the other people in this group) have been arguing for
the former, but you seem to have been arguing for the latter.  Are we
to take it that you now support the practice of Free Trade because it
leads to efficient industries, or that you still support protection,
despite the fcat that it leads to inefficient industries?

-- 
Anil A. Pal
pal@sgi.com	(415)-390-5279
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: Bruce@Pixar.com (Bruce Perens)
Subject: Re: First auto insurance of my life and i am getting screwed. (help!!)
Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 19:37:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.093354.6436@netcom.com> oleg@netcom.com (Oleg  
Kiselev) writes:
> >called AAA.
> 
> Their insurance rates are higher than average.
Maybe if you are a new driver (as this poster was).
I don't want the readers to think that their prices are higher across
the board. I'm male and 34 years old, and they charge half of what I
was paying previously, and are in general _very_ competitive.

Also note that the Soulthern California AAA has a reputation for bad
service and trying to welsh on claims, but this is not the same AAA as
we have in Northern California and Nevada. The Northern California one
has reputation for good service.
					Bruce Perens

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From: fred_s@earwax.pei.com (Fred Scott)
Newsgroups: ba.general,ba.politics
Subject: Re: Clinton's "affair"
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:17:51 GMT
Organization: Protocol Engines Incorporated

In article <1992Oct9.012653.27985@cascade.Stanford.EDU> king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) writes:
>pcd@otter.esd.sgi.com (Paul C. David) writes:
>>
>>- Approximately 50% of married people have admitted extra-marital
>>  affairs.  While this doesn't morally justify it, it should tell
>
>	The difference is the TWELVE YEARS the creep (Clinton) carried
>	on the affair.  Now maybe his wife knew and chose to stay
>	anyway for whatever purpose, but he still led a double
>	life all those years representing himself as Mr. Wonderful,
>	the Governor.

Ahem, did Clinton admit having an affair at some point?

I'll admit I haven't been following this little non-issue in the paper very
closely but I don't recall it being taken as *FACT* by anyone responsible
that Bill Clinton carried on any affairs for even one minute, let alone
twelve years.

I'm sure this will spark someone(s) to post the "proof".  That's OK - should
be fascinating.

Fred
Xref: sparky ba.general:4426 misc.kids:25876 misc.legal:18549
From: dab@ism.isc.com (Dave Butterfield)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Attractive Nuisance
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:05:51 GMT
Organization: x
NNTP-Posting-Host: change

>>If your parents let you run around unaccompanied in a neighborhood with 
>>unknown dangers at an age when you were incapable of comprehending them, it 
>>sounds like they were lax in their parental duties.

pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:
>The courts don't think so.

Really?  Can you cite a court opinion stating that parents were
not lax in their parental duties under such circumstances?
(Hint:  Simply citing a case where a non-parent property owner
was found to be liable is not sufficient evidence to prove your
point.)
-- 
                     Vote for *anybody* but Quayle!
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.legal
From: brunner@telebit.com (Eric Brunner)
Subject: Re: Attractive Nuisances (Was: Re: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions)
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:32:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.064229.27849@u.washington.edu> tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

[something utterly worthless, that he's counted coup on Phil's feckless
 lizardarian corps, omitted.]

>Please explain why there is a difference between society granting property
>owners certain rights and society placing restrictions on how property
>owners use the property?  Or do you hold the view that property rights
>somehow are given by God but restrictions on property are merely the
>work of interfering courts and legislators?

No, please don't, at least not while cross-posting to misc.kids. How such
mindless drivel can endure in ba.general or misc.legal is a mystery.

-- 
Eric Brunner Tule Network Services
uucp: uunet!practic!brunner
trying to understand multiprocessing is like having bees live inside your head.

Xref: sparky ba.general:4518 ba.motorcycles:615
From: jet@boxer.nas.nasa.gov (J. Eric Townsend)
Newsgroups: ba.general,ba.motorcycles
Subject: Air-show schedule
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:51:06 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Numerical Aerodynamic Simulation, NASA Ames


This was distributed to an internal mailing list.  Your milage may
vary...



	Friday, Oct 16
		10:00 - 1:30	Various aircraft practice
		 1:30 - 2:30	Blue Angels demo

	Saturday, Oct 17, and Sunday, Oct 18
		11:00		Navy Leap Frogs in C-130
		11:10		Leap Frog flag jump
		11:15		P-3C launch
		11:30		Scott Hammack jet dragster
		11:33		Leap Frogs, second jump
		11:40		Vern Dallman aerobatics
		11:52		Red Knight T-33
		12:03		John Collver AT-6 demonstration
		12:18		F-18 demonstration
		12:33		Eddie Andrini, Super Stearman demonstration
		12:47		Patty Wagstaff aerobatics
		12:59		MiG-17 vs. Scott Hammack jet dragster race
		 1:14		Red Baron Stearman Squadron
		 1:48		Sean Tucker, Pitts Special aerobatics
		 2:00		Eddie and Alan wingwalking
		 2:15		Fat Albert C-130 with jet-assisted takeoff
		 2:25		Yak attack aerobatics
		 2:40		F-117A flyby
		 3:00 - 4:00	Blue Angels perform

Highway 101 is scheduled to be closed during all Blue Angels
performances.  Plan to take a different route (or follow the detour)
if you are going to arrive near one of these periods.






--
             J. Eric Townsend --  jet@nas.nasa.gov -- 415.604.4311
                              '92 R100R, DoD# 0378
"I love the iPSC/860.
The iPSC/860 is my friend." (repeat until your code runs...)
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: stupid consumers
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:18:02 GMT

eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello) wrote: 
->Unfortunately, I cannot find the reference right now. I can tell you it 
->was in a travel mag I picked up in a waiting room in about Feb 92. I'm
->sure if you ask your travel agent, they could provide it (if you care
->that much and you don't trust me). 

there are lots of travel magazines on the market, and anything in a
waiting room is far from current (anyone who's been to a waiting room
can attest to this).

->BUt for reference, I do have in my collection a long (full page)
->ad from the SF chronicle outlining Japans "track record" on the
->free trade issues.  It outlines the anti-american attitudes (wanna
->point the finger at RACIST ????????????) of the toyota motor Co.
->cartel in Japan.  If you care to look something up, look this up,
->or SHUT UP:
->
->Page A11   SF chronicle   Tues Sept 18th 1990. 

this doesn't substantiate your airline claim; i asked you to
substantiate your airline safety claim.

->I will try to find the article from the travel mag. In the meantime,
->why don't you ask your travel for the stats on JAL vs the stats 
->on USAir????? 

it is my experience that travel agencies don't keep safety statistics
in their offices.  i called my travel agent and posed your
hypothetical question to her (without briefing her on the discussion
here) and she recommended JAL ... of course, she's part of the stupid
brainwashed people you keep yammering about, right?

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Xref: sparky ba.general:4352 misc.kids:25694 misc.legal:18410
From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Attractive Nuisance (was: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions)
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:15:28 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct9.172944.5291@adobe.com> pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) writes:

>In article <3eOn02ls25Ex01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:

>>What are you doing letting your ten-year-old kid run around an abandoned 
>>railroad turntable unattended?  A kid shouldn't be permitted to run around 
>>unattended until he can realize the dangers.

>The parents didn't even know there was an abandoned turntable in the
>neighborhood. As for 10-year-olds running around unattended, it seems
>fairly common to me. I ran around on my family farm at that age and
>earlier. My nieces are doing the same thing right now. My neighbors
>did too.

A family farm, eh?  Sounds like *your* *own* *private* *property* to me.

Very different.


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From: lefty@apple.com (Lefty)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Threats and Name-calling
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:41:51 GMT
Followup-To: ba.general
Organization: Our Lady of Heavy Artillery

In article <1992Oct15.203620.13005@cascade.Stanford.EDU>,
king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King) wrote:
> 
> 	You're not addressing the point of my posting, which is the
> 	immature behavior of certain people on this net.  Do you feel 
> 	it's OK to call people liars, as Lefty and Henry did?

Please substantiate this accusation or retract it.

--
Lefty (lefty@apple.com)
C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.
Newsgroups: ba.general
From: haider@netcom.com (Jamal Haider)
Subject: VR4000 RISC Seminar
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 18:20:24 GMT

Newsgroups: all
Subject: NEC Vr-4000 RISC seminar
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords:RISC 


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From: luis@outland.wpd.sgi.com (Luis Oleson)
Newsgroups: ba.general
Subject: Re: Need recommendation for Roof Contractor.
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:12:07 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: outland.wpd.sgi.com

Try Ascot Roof Services in Newark.  There's a crusty old guy there
named Rank (not Frank, Rank).  He worked on my place when I was
living in Palo Alto.  He's a good man, interesting, lots of fun,
and he won't do any work you don't need.

Luis
Xref: sparky ba.general:4378 misc.kids:25736 misc.legal:18442
From: rah@public.BTR.COM (Richard A Hyde  rah@btr.com)
Newsgroups: ba.general,misc.kids,misc.legal
Subject: Re: Attractive Nuisance (was: East Bay Regional Parks/dog restrictions)
Date: 10 Oct 92 00:57:24 GMT
Followup-To: ba.general
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. For info contact: info@BTR.COM

Another point to consider...

If your child dies, being able to sue someone for not building an unclimable
fence is small compensation.  *That's* why the responsibility is yours.

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