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From: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: path in title bar
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:23:16 GMT
Reply-To: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Vidiot's Other Hangout

In article <1992Nov6.022528.27362@xilinx.com> holen@xilinx.com (Victor A. Holen ) writes:
<In article <> luiland@meaddata.com (Yum Ting Lui) writes:
<.......
<>For example, "\E]ltext\E\         - set tool header to text" 
<>NOTE:  Replace \E with Cntl-v then EscKey in vi, which will look like ^[ 
<......
<>alias header    'echo -n "^[]l\!*^[\"'  ### see NOTE
<....
<This worked very well for commandtool windows. Thanks
<But it doesn't work for the xterm window under openlook.
<Any ideas ?

I use xterm with zsh, but that shouldn't make a difference.  Here is what I
have for title bar paths:

if [[ vt102 = $TERM ]] chpwd() echo -n "]2;${PWD}"
if [[ vt102 = $TERM ]] chpwd
alias pu=pushd po=popd
-- 
harvard\
  ucbvax!uwvax!astroatc!ftms!brown  or  uu2.psi.com!ftms!brown
rutgers/
INTERNET: brown@wi.extrel.com  or  ftms!brown%astroatc.UUCP@cs.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.sys.sun.misc
From: hue@coney.island.COM (Pond Scum)
Subject: answerbook docviewer flashes after installing xnews patch
Originator: hue@coney
Organization: Island Graphics and Hot Tub Repair of Marin County
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 08:49:16 GMT


Hi,

I installed the latest xnews patch (I can't remember if it is 100444 or
100452) and ever since then, my answerbook docviewer flashes at about
a 1hz rate.  If I move the mouse pointer into the docviewer the flashing
stops, but it starts again if the pointer is moved outside the window.
I think the problem is either the new libSunEVQ.so or libSunWIN.so because
if I put the old ones back but use the new xnews binary, the docviewer stops
flashing.  I wonder if this is just a problem with the NeWS side of the
server, as X applications seem to work normally.

Has anyone else seen this?

-Jonathan		hue@island.COM
Xref: sparky comp.windows.open-look:4449 comp.windows.news:775
From: hopkins@cs.cmu.edu (Don Hopkins)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look,comp.windows.news
Subject: Re: SunSoft Windows Toolkits Positioning
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:26:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BxK8D4.Lrv.1
Followup-To: comp.windows.open-look
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: hopkins@ECP.GARNET.CS.CMU.EDU

mukerjee@sereno.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Mukerjee) writes:

>  ************************************************************************
>      SUNSOFT WINDOWS TOOLKITS POSITIONING
>  ************************************************************************
> 
>  There has been significant network traffic lately speculating on
>  the current positioning and future support of SunSoft Windows
>  Toolkits, specifically related to XView and OLIT. As with most
>  rumors, much of the network traffic relating to XView has been
>  in error. The brief statement below should put to rest the gossip,
>  innuendo and inaccurate conclusions, and allow developers to
>  get back to real work.

There is one glaring ommission from your announcement, and that's TNT,
The NeWS Toolkit, which last I heard from Steve MacKay and Scott
McNealy, was one of Sun's supported Open Look toolkits.  There was no
mention of TNT in Sun's announcement about Display PostScript.  Has
there been an official announcement about Sun's support for TNT?  I
have developed and worked with several products based on TNT,
including HyperLook and SimCity, so I would like to know.  What are
companies who have NeWS products, like Aldus, Frame, the Turing
Institute, and DUX Software, supposed to do?  I used to work on TNT at
Sun, but I resigned my job because I did not believe Steve MacKay and
Scott McNealy were telling the truth when they said they would support
it, and they expected me to pass that lie onto the customers, like
Frame and Turing.  I am afraid that Sun is going to change their tune
on XView and OLIT, the same way they flip-flopped on TNT.  So would
you please address the following questions:

   Q1. Is TNT still supported by SunSoft?
   Q2. Will there be more releases of TNT?
   Q3. I've heard that TNT may no longer be shipped after this year.
       Is this true?
   Q4. When will TNT be EOLed?
   Q5. Will TNT source ever be publicly available?
   Q6. Will there be any new features added to TNT?
   Q7. Should I rewrite my application in DPS?
   Q8. Is there a significant engineering effort behind TNT?
   Q9. What is Sun's current feeling about NeWS?

	-Don
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: g9129499@cc.uow.edu.au (Jeremy Lawrence)
Subject: Re: 32 Megs sucked dry by Open Windows 3.0
Reply-To: jeremy@snrc.uow.edu.au
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 07:33:32 GMT

dlopata@stat.ufl.edu (David Lopata) writes:

>	Hi guys!  I'm curious to know exactly how much memory Openwindows is
>SUPPOSED to be taking up.

>	With a single Xterm, Mailtool, console, and XRN, Top reports the
>following:

>	Memory: 27844K available, 27316K in use, 528K free, 2368K locked.

>	Pstat reports that 20876 of our 32720 swap partition is used.  Nice.

>	We're running OW 3.0, SunOS 4.1.3 with tmpfs (patched 100507-04).
>What numbers do you guys get?  The machines is an IPX with 32 Megs.  It's a
>test machine, so nobody else is logged in/eating resources. 

Sounds rather high.

With xnews, olvwm, console, two cmdtools, clock, two perfmeters,
mailtool, answerbook, xvnews (the newsreader), textedit, filemgr,
framemaker with five documents open and backing store enabled (the
executable alone is 3MB), calendar manager, cdplayer, and a full-screen
background image loaded with XV, I'm only using a total of 29 MB virtual memory
(allocated+reserved):

  % pstat -s
  25460k allocated + 3720k reserved = 29180k used, 121336k available

The system is SPARC 2, 4.1.2/OW3.0 + a few patches, GENERIC_SMALL-based
kernel with maxusers bumped up and tempfs enabled (unpatched). Try a
few patches for the memory pigs (use ps -ux). In particular 100444-28
(xnews), and 100452-20 (xview library) might be useful, if they haven't
be bundled in 4.1.3. The latest ld.so patch (100257-04) could help
too. (I'm just guessing.)

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeremy Lawrence                                jeremy@snrc.uow.edu.au
Switched Networks Research Centre          or:    g9129499@uow.edu.au
University of Wollongong, Australia                    +61-42-21 3244

Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: mcgraw@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu (Robert McGraw)
Subject: xrolo
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:56:02 GMT

I am trying to compile xrolo on an IPC running SUNOS 4.1.2 
with OW3. When I try to compile the phone.c program I get 
the ugly message that the include directory <multimedia/...>
directory is not available. Where is this include directory
located? It is not in any of my /usr/include or $OPENWINHOME/include
directory. Where can I get a copy.

Thanks
Robert

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________
Robert P. McGraw, Jr.    
System Manager                 INTERNET:rmcgraw@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu
National Solar Observatory/SP  SPAN: 5355::RMCGRAW or NOAO::RMCGRAW
Sunspot, NM 88349 USA          PHONE: (505) 434-7038

Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: euamol@eua.ericsson.se (Mats Larsson)
Subject: Re: MailTool3 and .signature files
Reply-To: euamol@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:39:15 GMT

In article 21362@sq.sq.com, lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin) writes:
>Including your .signature in OpenWindows 3 Mailtool Version 3:

[ ...zap... ]

>[4] fastest, least general
>
>    copy /usr/lib/.textswrc to your home directory
>    chmod +w $HOME/.textswrc
>    edit it to change (for example) the line after
>	KEY_RIGHT(7)    FILTER
>    so that it looks like
>	KEY_RIGHT(7)    FILTER
>	cat /home/sqlee/lee/.signature
>
>   with /home/sqlee/lee changed to your login directory, of course.
>
>   The next time you start mailtool or textedit, control-left-shift-R7
>   will insert your .signature, replacing any selected text.
>
>   Yes, control-shift-left-R7.
>
>   If I can work out how to use a simpler key, I'll put this in the FAQ.

My entry looks like this

F9	FILTER
cat ~/.signature

and it works without any fingers broken ;-)

Take a look at SunView (!) Programmer's Guide D-44 provided
in AnswerBook (1.3 at least) for more details.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mats Larsson                   | Email: Mats.Larsson@eua.ericsson.se
ELLEMTEL Telecom Systems Labs  | Phone: +46 8 727 3658
S-125 25 Alvsjo, SWEDEN        | Fax:   +46 8 47 82 76
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: sinan@Mtesol.boeing.com (Sinan Karasu)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: OW shutdown notice default
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:34:41 GMT


> From: mckie@sky.arc.nasa.gov (Bill McKie)
> Openwindows 2.0 on SunOS 4.1.1:
> 
> Is there any way to specify the default
> on the olwm shutdown notice to be the
> "Exit" button rather than the "Cancel"
> button?  Also, is there any way to
> suppress this notice?
> 
I"D LIKE to know this too , except for OW3....
From: dml@bton.ac.uk (Dave Lewney)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Custom commands in filemgr
Date: 12 Nov 92 09:51:39 GMT
Reply-To: dml@bton.ac.uk
Organization: University of Brighton

I'm running SunOS 4.1.2, O/W v3.0 on an IPX, and have tried to create custom commands
in the filemgr. The trouble is the output window disappears in an instant. I can't
see anything wrong I'm doing in the documentation. Has anyone had any success?
   Email and I'll summarise.

Thanks in advance,
Dave

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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: SunSoft Windows Toolkits Positioning
Keywords: xview, olit
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:17:02 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>We strongly encourage developers to use OLIT for any NEW
>applications that are being developed to take advantage of many new
>features and functionalities, and maintain compliance with the rapidly
>evolving STANDARDS for GUI development.

I presume this translates into "Intrinsics-based toolkits are the Proper
Standard Toolkits For X"; i.e., OLIT is being promoted as the favored
toolkit for new applications because it's a bunch of widgets atop the Xt
Intrinsics.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: lee@sq.sq.com (Liam R. E. Quin)
Subject: Re: 32 Megs sucked dry by Open Windows 3.0
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 03:45:58 GMT

dlopata@stat.ufl.edu (David Lopata) writes:
> Hi guys!  I'm curious to know exactly how much memory Openwindows is
> SUPPOSED to be taking up.
> With a single Xterm, Mailtool, console, and XRN, Top reports the
> following:
> Memory: 27844K available, 27316K in use, 528K free, 2368K locked.
> Pstat reports that 20876 of our 32720 swap partition is used.  Nice.
> 
> We're running OW 3.0, SunOS 4.1.3 with tmpfs (patched 100507-04).
> What numbers do you guys get?  The machines is an IPX with 32 Megs.  It's a
> test machine, so nobody else is logged in/eating resources. 

I get
sqlee!lee> pstat -T
196/800 files
332/332 inodes
50/202 processes
14760/25232 swap
sqlee!lee> pstat -s
12888k allocated + 1688k reserved = 14576k used, 10656k available

but I have a 6 Megabyte mailbox loaded into mailtool, and I'm running two
xterms and a jet, plus a few other clients, on my 4/110.

nh@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (nicholas.hounsome) writes:
> This is typical.

But I disagree.

Do remember that "top" gets physical memory wildly wrong under SunOS 4,
since "unused" pages are used to expand the various system caches.

Nicholas Hounsome continues:
> One soloution is to use Xsun from X11R5 instead of OW3 which carries all
> the sunview/NeWS baggage - that saves a few megs.

Well, it'll save a little.  Running xnews with -nosunview will save a little
too, as will putting
    /IncludeDemos? false def
in your .startup.ps to eliminate the inital TNT load.

> Using xterm instead of cmdtool is probably a bad idea because it uses 
> a completely different set of libraries (Xt) to the sun stuff (xview)
> and so there is more unshared code to swap in (although this doesn't come
> from your swap partition).

This _is_ true, and each xterm ends up taking about a megabyte on a colour
system, depending on fonts and size.

> If you think you have problems then try running dbxtool on a large 
> X application that has been processed by purify - I can just do it
> with one cmdtool and nothing else.

We use Sabre-C here sometimes.  Hey, I only have 20 MBytes of RAM and
25 MBytes of swap space, and the only time I've seen it filled up is when
I was using Sabre-C and Devguide, and someone else had DevGuide and a few
other windows up... although having my 6MByte mailbox loaded into memory
doesn't help.

No-one, I think, will argue that X11R5 gives generally much better performance
than OpenWindows 3, at least as long as you don't use Kanji fonts.
But if you use NeWS at all, run FrameMaker, or any of the imaging programs
that use NeWS (or the games!) you'll want to stick with OpenWindows.

It shouldn't use that much memory, there's something wrong somewhere.

Lee

-- 
lee@sq.com (Liam Quin) the barefoot programmer; SoftQuad Inc +1 416 239 4801
 OPEN LOOK UI FAQ; Metafont list; HexSweeper NeWS game; lq-text text retrieval
``They thought him, and they justly thought him, one   [lq-text-request@sq.com
  Sent to do more than he appeared to have done.''   Wm. Cowper, Conversation
From: caywood@teb.larc.nasa.gov (John Caywood)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: Color Icons- help!
Date: 9 Nov 1992 22:23:47 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: teb.larc.nasa.gov

In article <4238@cvbnetPrime.COM>, bsweeney@argon.prime.com (Brian Sweeney) writes:
|> Hello,
|> 
|> I have used $OPENWINHOME/bin/iconedit to make a color icon.
|> 
|> I can not seem to display this icon with my shell windows.
|> 
|> Does anyone out there know how to do this?
|> 
|> 
|> 	-Brian
|> 
I, too, tried and failed.  I believe the Deskset Reference Guide asserts
that the icons must be saved in Xview format if you want to use the icons
either on the desktop or within filemanager.  Can anyone explain why Sun
bothered to put code into Icon Editor to save color X bitmaps if OW can't
use them?

-- 
The opinions expressed herein are my own, and do not necessarily express
those of my employer.
   John Caywood, System Administrator and Computer Janitor
   UNISYS Corp., under contract to Technical Editing Branch,
   NASA Langley Research Center
From: 528010@llnl.gov (Mark Levinson)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: path in title bar
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:31:13 GMT
Reply-To: 528010@llnl.gov
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Lab

In article 27362@xilinx.com, holen@xilinx.com (Victor A. Holen ) writes:
>In article <> luiland@meaddata.com (Yum Ting Lui) writes:
>........
>>For example, "\E]ltext\E\         - set tool header to text" 
>>NOTE:  Replace \E with Cntl-v then EscKey in vi, which will look like ^[ 
>.......
>>alias header    'echo -n "^[]l\!*^[\"'  ### see NOTE
>.....
>This worked very well for commandtool windows. Thanks
>But it doesn't work for the xterm window under openlook.
>Any ideas ?
>
>-- 
> victor ....  ___  ._..  .  _.     holen@xilinx.com

Try this, it works great for an xterm window:


for the icon title use:

echo -n "^[]1;\!*^G"

for the windows title use:

echo -n "^[]2;\!*^G"

note ^[ and ^G are control characters.

---


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 Lawrence Livermore National Lab             PacBell Net: (510) 422-1794
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Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: mitchell@cs.uchicago.edu (Mitchell Marks)
Subject: Re: olvwm(?) delay in opening/closing windows
Reply-To: mitchell@cs.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computer Science
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:52:26 GMT

>>>>> "KW" == Kent Wada <wada@mic.ucla.edu> writes:

  KW> I'm running olvwm 3.2 with a base of OpenWindows 3 on a Sun
  KW> running 4.1.2. Since upgrading to olvwm3.2 and OW3, I've found
  KW> that when opening or closing a window using the "open" button
  KW> (L7) on my Sun introduces a real-time delay of about two seconds
  KW> before the window opens or closes. Opening a window or
  KW> iconifying one using a mouse click/menu item causes the
  KW> appropriate action to occur instantly. Any ideas? I've
  KW> discovered that I use the L7 key very frequently!

This was discussed a couple months ago, with a variety of diagnoses /
solutions suggested.  The one that worked for me was: make sure you
have a ~/.olvwmrc file, even if you don't want to specify anything in
it. 
--
Mitch Marks    mitchell@cs.uchicago.edu
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From: rdong@playmate.mat.jhu.edu (Rui-Tao Dong ~{6-HpLN~})
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Thanks!  (Re: olvwm binary)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 15:53:13 -0600
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Johns Hopkins University.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


	Thanks for David Friedlander <dpf@sage0.gsfc.nasa.gov> for sending
me the binary and Liam Quin <lee@sq.com> for offering to send it me. And
I'd like also to thank those of you who are thinking (or have thought) about
sending me one :-)

	I think that it will be great if somebody can put it in an
anonymous ftp site somewhere. (Before I asked for help on the net, I had
ran archie and didn't find one).

Regards,

    Rui-Tao Dong ~{6-HpLN~}		    Department of Mathematics
    rdong@playmate.mat.jhu.edu		    The Johns Hopkins University
    (410)516-7406(O) (410)516-5549(Fax)	    Baltimore, Maryland 21218
				
				
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: freedman@oldfield.colostate.edu (keith freedman)
Subject: Re: path in title bar
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 17:56:37 GMT
Reply-To: freedman@oldfield.colostate.edu
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.


This shell script changes the X-Term title bar.
The -i option changes the icon title, the
-t option changes the window title, -b
changes both to the same string!

I use -b $HOSTNAME and then -i $PATH


#!/bin/csh -f
# cshell script to change the title on an xterm window and/or its icon.
if ( $#argv != 2 ) then
   /bin/echo "Usage: xtitle { -t | -i | -b } string"
   exit
endif

set ESC=""
set ND=";"
set NP=""
if ( "$1" == "-t" ) then
   /bin/echo -n "${ESC}]2${ND}$2${NP}"
else if ( "$1" == "-i" ) then
   /bin/echo -n "${ESC}]1${ND}$2${NP}"
else if ( "$1" == "-b" ) then
   /bin/echo -n "${ESC}]0${ND}$2${NP}"
else
   /bin/echo "Usage: xtitle { -t | -i | -b } string"
endif

---
Keith Freedman
Colorado State University
Department of Computer Science
Systems Administration
From: ivory@e7sa.crd.ge.com (John Ivory)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Printing from within an Xview program
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:26:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: crd.1992Nov10.192610.12443
Organization: Tower Concepts

What is the prefered mechanism for an Xview program sending something to the
printer?  I would typically want to gen a file, and then do a
system call to lpr...

	sprintf(command, "lpr %s", filename);
	system(command);

The Xview documentation however warns against directly using system
calls because of confusions with the Notifier.  I could have the
program fork, and then do an exec call, but that seems like a lot
of effort for the system to go through for such a simple task.

Ideas?  Suggestions?

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From: gh@lsil.com (George Hadjidakis 4610)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
Subject: Re: Color Icons- help!
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:37:44 GMT
Reply-To: gh@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Microprocessor Group


---
The XPM2 format that iconedit uses to save its color files, is not directly supported
by openwindows. In the X extension somewhere there are routines that manipulate this 
format. You could use these (or write your own, its not that complicated) to read the 
XPM2 format and create a pixmap which you will then bind to the server_image of your
icon ( I assume you are using xview ). Keep in mind that color icons eat a lot of 
memory.
--George Hadjidakis
Newsgroups: comp.windows.open-look
From: michael@mbox.ee.ncu.edu.tw (Michael Lin)
Subject: The controlarea of notice widget problem
Organization: Dep. of EECS, National Central University, Chungli, Taiwan, R.O.C.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:22:26 GMT

Hi,
	When I use the control area of notice widget to display text, it does
not work. The notice widget doesn't display the text. Can it or not?
	The program is as following

void callback(w, client_data, call_data)
Widget 		w;
XtPointer 	client_data, call_data;
{
    Widget  	notice, con, text, rt, reset, ok;
    Widget	begin, inter, expert;
    char	message[80];

    if (notice == (Widget)NULL)
    {
  	notice = XtVaCreatePopupShell("notice", 
			noticeShellWidgetClass, w, 
			NULL);

    	XtVaGetValues(popup, XtNtextArea, &text,
		XtNcontrolArea, &con,
		NULL);

  	rt = XtCreateManagedWidget("rt", rubberTileWidgetClass,
               	con, NULL, 0);

  	XtVaSetValues(text, XtNstring, "Fastest Mine Sweepers", NULL);

	begin = XtVaCreateManagedWidget("Beginner",
			staticTextWidgetClass, rt,
			XtNlabel,	"test",
			NULL);
    }
    XtPopup(notice, XtGrabExclusive);
}

Michael Lin