From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Re: Jimmy Johnson: Love em or hate em, he's a winner (and a whiner)
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:46:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.211812.26360@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
|> In article <1992Dec16.175906.3431@bnr.ca> reams@bnr.ca writes:
|> >No protest was filed. 
|> Well, we all know that he spent the entire Monday complaining to
|> the league office about the call. Was that a protest or just whining?
Three separate conversations. About the three potential blown calls. We
have no statement on how long they took. Or what their substance was.
It was over by the afternoon press conference.

I didn't say he didn't protest. I said he didn't file a protest. 
(Like baseball, but don't know if you can do that in football)

|> 
|> >And there were no shots of him flaming away at the
|> >refs; something else for which JJ is known. Instead he was (most-likely) 
|> >setting the offense for the next drive.  Moving right along,.....
|> until the final gun, then he lives on the controversial call ....
Sure, why not. Any call that could go either way, that costs as
much as that one. Something should be said. 

|> 
|> >|> fumble not being an outright wrong call.
|> >(or an outright correct call)
|> So what if it's not an outright correct call? My point was that even in
|> OUTRIGHT INCORRECT calls, the Joe Gibbs/Dan Reeves don't spend the next
|> two days putting up a soap opera. So who has more class? a Gibbs/Reeves who
|> can take an outright incorrect call like a man, or a JJ who can't let a 
|> "not outright correct/incorrect call" go?
Ahh, here's the rub. You want to attack his class and character. Okay
go ahead. See below.
|> 
|> >And of course, you have personal knowledge that he is moping around
|> >his office and the locker room, not preparing the Cowboys for their
|> >game in Atlanta.
|> I have personal knowledge that he was whining in front of the media. I
|> saw it on ESPN last nite. Whether he prepares for Atlanta or not doesn't
|> erase the fact that he whined.
Agreed.
|> 
|> >All we see is what any coach wants us to see. A show for teevee. JJ is
|> >a master psychologist. This team feeds off of him. If he's dwelling on
|> >it, he wants the entire team to think about it. There is a purpose to
|> >it. 
|> But whining is not the only way to make your team a winner. At least Gibbs
|> doesn't have to resort to such low-end method.
Agreed.                            

|> 
|> -- 
|>                                           Edward Lor
|>                                           lor@cbnewsk.att.com
|>                                           


Well, if Jimmy does not live up to your standards, maybe you
ought to fire him.

A measure of one's class goes beyond single instances - or even
single facets of a person's character.  Besides, its not exactly
a pre-requisite for a head coaching job in the NFL
	(Glanville, G. Allen, B. Ryan, Ditka, Halas, 
	and others I'm either forgetting or not old enough to 
	remember)

I won't make an argument for JJ's quality of character, I have'nt 
been. All I've been pointing out is that we do not have the 
whole picture. Never will. And what's displayed for the public
can have any number of causes.

In the event that JJ happens to be a class-less jerk that I 
wouldn't want to have as a personal friend, so be it. Bottom 
line is wins, not grace. (Although grace might be a nice thing
to fall back on from time to time.)

I'll agree to disagree with you.

Nice conversation. BTW, do you have a team, or are you an
NFL-fan?



-- 
Cary W Reams | sneakers.ksh <"cary w. reams"
NT/BNR/MTXVO | TOO MANY SECRETS:> wry as a merc.   
---------------------------------------------------------------
My opinions are not necessarily shared by Northern Telecom/BNR. 
...or many other people.
---------------------------------------------------------------