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From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000: R. U. Sirius
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:27:28 GMT

drennan@acfcluster.nyu.edu (XIXAX) writes:

|In article <RANDOLPH.92Aug18145314@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM>, randolph@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz) writes:
|> Hierarchic social patterns are an ape, even monkey thing. 

|I would venture that heirarchies are a male construct. Corporate companies
|headed up by women are more likely to show concentric or "spider web" set ups,
|with one person in the middle, but everyone on the same level, as it were.

Please provide a concrete example so I can submit my resume right away.

|Furthermore, everyone is equal on the net...

Christ, I hope not...

	-Mike

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik)
Subject: Water Supply (was: Re: Non-conformism)
Organization: Gotham Communications Research
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 20:34:48 GMT

petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly) writes:

>Heck, you don't see bioengineers trying out their newborn by sprinkling
>their virus into the water supply of major cities.

Interesting. Just because you don't *see* them doesn't mean it doesn't
happen. How many of us patrol our local water supplies late at night???

>petesk@microsoft.com
>My Opinions...

	-Mike

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From: kca@engin.umich.edu (Jonathan Van Oast)
Subject: Re: cyberpunk satellite transmissions from alien beings?
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 13:10:42 EDT
Organization: UnderWorld Industries 001

OOPS! my last post cut out the whole middle (important(?)) part.
here it is:
as a warning, this comes from my DAD who probably was really just watching
arabic mtv or something, BUT:
my dad called me saying he saw "some crazy computer thing" on a satelite
channel.  (he lives in the sticks.)  he claimed that every time he turned
on the channel, day or nite, there was strange characters like he has never
seen (and he is fairly clued in to languages, to give him credit), and all
kinds of "weird" computer stuff.  yeah, he was this vague.  and he said it
was ALWAYS on.  naturally (didya expect less?) he is too lame to have figured
out how to record off satelite, so he cant do this for me.  SO, i want to
know if anyone can confirm this "broadcast" and (most likely) just clear it
up as some kinda news/fx feed.  dad says it is satelite G-5, channel 4 or 3 or
something (yeah, smooth dad!).

-jon
From: thx1138@angus.mi.org (Scott Abfalter)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Halo
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:38:08 GMT
Reply-To: thx1138@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS


Yeah, Mr. Maddox, 

   Someone wrote "why don't the bookstores around my area stock your
   book".  I've looked for it too, to no avail.  You might want to 
 
   remind your publishers that if people don't get exposed to the book
   then no one
   no one is going to buy it!  There's at least two here on the net (me
   and that other guy).  Who knows how many others?!?

   (Sorry about the hideous line noise, folks...) 


THX

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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: CP Mag (was Re: Books)
Keywords: Mondo 2000 in other formats?
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:50:25 GMT

In article <13AUG199217293286@juliet.caltech.edu> tychay@juliet.caltech.edu (Chay, Terrence Y.) writes:
>  just keep to standard formats: gifs, jpgs, ascii, etc.  let god sort it out.

TeX is great for journal articles.  TeX w. postscript diagrams is
available for MACs, and is easy for local printing.

In retrospect, PostScript doesn't seem to bad, although it take a million
years to read in, so it would be best for ftp'ing and local printing,
THEN reading (which means no color).

Going bargain basement, we can just bundle ASCII text w. GIF 
pictures/diagrams and perhaps gl_view movies.

OK, who's got some space and an ftp site we could borrow?

-Thomas


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tychay@juliet.caltech.edu (Chay, Terrence Y.)
Subject: Societies (was Re: Mondo 2000: R. U. Sirius)
Summary:  IMHO
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: like, totally, y'know. anarchy. prehistory
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 04:41:00 GMT

'>'  is Article <1992Aug21.235243.10736@highlite.uucp>
        mike@highlite.uucp (Mike Wiik) writes...
'>>' is s7356911@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (DYLYN) writes:


>Interesting argument. Prehistorical societies were egalitarian. Yes I've
>read _The Chalice and the Blade_, and it's very interesting, but it's hard
>to prove what really happened in prehistory: hence the name "prehistory".

  i thought that the term 'prehistory' means "before written records"...
of course, i have no doubt that a lack of written records would make it
hard to prove what really happened =]

>>	I especially disagree with the "ingrained tendency' point.  How does
>>6000 years (barely a moment in the evolutionary timetable) of stratified 
>>states counteract the million or so years of human existence in egalitarian
>>societies?

>Beats the fuck out of me. Millions of years, eh? Uh, don't suppose you
>have any evidence for this, hum?

  it is commonly (i think) believed that the end of the last ice age (33,000 -
10,000 BC) is responsible for the forming of civilizations (i am assuming that
stratified states = civilization).
  as i am sure you know (but it is interesting and bears repeating anyway), 
the receding glaciers cause a superabundance of food ("land of milk and honey", 
"garden of eden", etc.) which allowed for settled communities and the transition
from hunter-gatherer to agarian culture.  my source is _Western Civilizations_
by Lerner, et.al. a standard introductory high school and college text.

  it is interesting to note that hunter-gatherer cultures are almost completely
non-violent, probably due to the fact that there is nothing they have that
is "hoardable" as implied by the movie: _The Gods Must Be Crazy_.  Of course,
people like Stanley Kubrick and A.C. Clark might disagree (see intro to
_2001: A Space Oddessey_ due to the "killer-ape" hypothesis (i forgot
which anthropologist stated that, sorry).

  btw, on the millions of years point        on a hour clock?
     homo habilis: 2 million years ago       0 m
     homo erectus: 1.6 million years ago     12m - 51m
     archaic homo sapiens: 300,000 years ago 51m - 56m
     neaderthal humans: 125,000 years ago    56m - 59m
     "modern" humans: 40,000 years ago       59m - 60m
  reference: _Western Civ_ again

  the structure of these prehistoric societies depends (i believe) on whether
you believe that our evolutionary advancement of erect posture provides:
  1) the freeing of the hands for tools and weapons -> killer ape hypothesis
or
  2) the ability to grab food and run -> (i forgot the name of this hypothesis)

  just stating the obvious....

--------
this is my .sig, deal with it.

          -terrychay
                 TYCHAY@CITJULIE.BITNET
                 tychay@juliet.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: petesk@microsoft.com (Pete Skelly)
Subject: Re: Books
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:29:51 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug11.055842.15664@src.umd.edu> tedwards@eng.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) writes:
>
>Mondo 2000:  Ack, sorry, not interested.  It's printed on PAPER! 
>   It should enter the electronic reality!

Fashion magazines are going the be the last to enter the electonic reality.
The first things are going/were the following:
Banking, Corporate Communications, Gov/Mil comm.  Then Academia. Then
consumer.  And finally, last but not least, things that one would
consider cyberpunk.

>
>Combat boots, LEDs:  Dang, that describes _me_ at the the last rave.
>   I've been wearing flashing LEDs+micro-lithium batteries for 
>   about 5 years now, because they are an expression of the spirit
>   of technology, and a great fashion accessory!  I don't wear 'em
>   to be accepted, I wear 'em cause I GOT TO...
>   Besides, combat boots are comfy, and keep your feet from getting
>   wet/stepped on/etc.

Combat boots are nice, but I perfer sneakers, 'cause they are lighter
and breathe easier.  But who cares anyway.

As far as you wearing LEDs, you have every right to and I'll support that,
but as to you're reason?  Why do you GOT TO.  Who's making you.  If you want
an expression of technology, well, LED's are a nice expression of ancient
technology, but nearly every household in the US has a modern expression
of technology.  It's called NINTENDO.  LED's could almost be considered
pre-information age.

>
>And hey, while I'm here
>
>Al Gore, Cyberpunk?  Perhaps...he is the political power behind the
>NREN (national research and education network).  This man is bright, and
>knows that digital superhighways will allow the information age to truly
>reach out to all people.  Check out comp.org.eff.talk
>and comp.org.eff.news for more info.

Cool, but the coolest stuff is going to occur when BISDN or similar
systems are brought to your house by the (YUCK) cable companies.

>
>Music/socially, I predict there will be a great trifurcation...
>Rap of the downtrodden populace, the Progressive
>Rock n' roll of the return hippies and young businesspeople,
>and the technorave of the cyberoriented multi-racial movement.  

I predict, that If the economy picks back up, which it will probably
do at one point or another, that such reactionary music will become less
predominant.  People will stop trying to escape from reality and go about
their business.  What this means, is (UGH) more pop.

>
>The real rainbow coalition springs from the democratizing force of 
>technology, coupled with the driving beat of young cyberpunk angst.
>Question is, will they achieve something worthwhile, or burn out in
>a technoartisitc rage?
Yes, I think that these new technologies will bring about a lot of change,
that change will not, however, be the empowerment of the so called
"cyberpunks", but more likely the empowerment of the masses.


petesk@microsoft.com
My Opinions...

Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.cyberpunk.tech
From: jdover01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: present  state of technology
Organization: University of Louisville
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 05:06:19 GMT

drennan@acfcluster.nyu.edu (XIXAX) writes:
> mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris) writes:
>> u921470@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Anthony Chan) writes:
>> My only complaint about virtual reality, is that Nintendo made
>> the power glove, and no one has hooked it up to a PC or Mac or
>> something common for the masses to experiment with.
> 
> The Gold Brick from TransFinite Systems in Cambridge Mass.
> (PO BOX N MIT Branch Post Office Cambridge MA 02139)
> will allow any Nintendo device to send ASCII or dimensional info to a Mac.
> 
> Maybe I should just upload my Mondo article (pre-hatchet job) about alternative
> interfacing to the Net...
> 

PLEASE DO POST IT!

> -- 
> _______________________________________________________________________________
> |Dany Drennan <+> Interactive Telecommunications Program, NYU |  Technology   |
> |drennan@acfcluster.nyu.edu|xixax@aol.com|xixax@echo.panix.com| is  Autonomy  |
> _______________________________________________________________________________

Thanx in advance,
- joseph -
From: Jay_Daunheimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jay Daunheimer)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Mr.Gibson's next Rock Opera
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:34:32 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada


Except from Random Notes, The Georgia Straight, August 14-21


His scenario was the first commissioned for the film _Aliens 3_, but
several scripts later, there was almost nothing of local SF writer William
Gibson's material left in the Hollywood blockbuster. Gibson's script,
though, did circulate among Vancouver SF fans, including NO Fun
songwriter and vocalist David M. The result is that NO Fun's Record
Contract Signing Party at the Vancouver East Cultural Centre on Sunday
(August 30) will include the band's rendition of "Vancouver's Own
Cyberpunk Sci-Fi Superstar William Gibson's Aliens III". "It's much
better than the one they put out on film," says M., who has Gibson's
blessing for the performance and hopes the author will drop by if he is
in town...




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From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Latest Mondo 2000
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:34:32 GMT
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park

In article <1992Aug19.212517.21912@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Jeremiah.Blatz@dartmouth.edu (Jeremiah Blatz) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.194510.15283@src.umd.edu>
>tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards) writes:
>[About building a R/C plane w/ a camera on it.]
>> Easily done under $2K...
>Doesn't exactly seem like "street tech" to me. :-)

Depends on whether you're willing to hold up an RC plane store
or not...
From: Shadowmar@cup.portal.com (Paul Joseph Furio)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Mondo 2000,Ono Sendi
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 18:12:54 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I just got my first issue of Mondo 2000 a day ago.  looks interesting, but
I'm just wondering:
	1) How much of this magazine is to be taken seriously?
	2) there's an ad for ONO-SENDI.  Is this a real company?  What
do they make?
	Computer ads and music ads in one magazine? Interesting indeed...
Paul J. furio
Shadowmar@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.cult-movies
From: erik@askinc.ASK.COM (Erik Johnson)
Subject: Re: looking for an anthology of H. R. Giger
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:35:17 GMT

In article <Bt783s.41u@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, cpw@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca writes:
|> I'm hoping someone can help me.
|> 
|> I have just been through the library  and I can't
|> find any book with the collected works of H. R. Giger.
|> 
|> All I know of this person is that he/she is a Swiss
|> surrealist, and their work provided the "biomechanical"
|> look of movies like Alien and Aliens.

    <stuff deleted>

Good luck. You won't find any Giger in a Library. Everything
is way to rare and expensive. Try art/collectors book stores, REAL good comic
shops, occult stores, or anything or anyone that might deal in surrealism or
collector's work.

One place is Morpheus International in Beverly Hills, Ca. (as opposed to 
Beverly Hills, Nebraska) They carry only reprints, and are not worth as 
much, but at least you get to see the art. If you are lucky you might find
some of the original European books. These are known by the soft-bound
covers (that the bindings fall appart on), and are REALLY expensive. I don't
have Morpheus' address or phone number with me, you could try calling information.

Here's what to look for:

- Giger's Necronomicon (European & reprint)
If you find the European, BUY IT! It's very hard to find. Morpheus just reprinted
it, so that might not be hard to find. Has the art that O'Bannon got the Alien's
appearance from (Necronom IV - which is hanging in my living room. grin.)

- Necronomicon II
I haven't seen a reprint of this. Has some interesting stuff.

- Biomechanics (European & reprint)
A little easier to find than most. More alien-ish type stuff.

- Giger's New York City book
Smaller size and page count. Mostly stuff inspired by his trip to the
big apple. Was available from Morpheus once.

- Giger's Alien
Propably the easiest to find. Morpeus Int'l had lots last time I asked.
Has all the necessary info for any serious Alien/Giger buff. Text is 
basically Giger's notes while doing the Alien project.


It seems like I'm forgetting something, but... oh well.

Oh, BTW. Morpheus Int'l also sells posters of his work. Very nice for
framing, but get snatched up fast. If you get on their mailing list, they
will always tell you in advance of the new stuff they are releasing. Often, you
get offers of real collector items like limited edition signed lithograths, etc.



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From: thx1138@angus.mi.org (Scott Abfalter)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Hardware (movie)
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:28:28 GMT
Reply-To: thx1138@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS

Yeah, when I saw hardware in the theater I was pretty excited to see
a cyberpunk type movie.  (In fact it's cyberpunkishness was the only
thing that kept me real interested in it...) 

THX
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Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Todd J Sines)
Subject: Re: CP Music
Keywords: Music Rap
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:39:42 GMT

okay. i am a 19 year old sophomore at ohio state university. i am going into 
fine arts. i have a subscription to macworld and mondo 2000. i am in a techno 
band called body release that does UK breakbeat hardcore techno. i work for the
computer labs as a lab monitor at the academic computing services 25 hours a 
week. i am on a computer close to 40 hours a week. i have a GIGI graphics 
terminal at home. i design my own fonts. i do graphic design, 3d simulation, 
sound synthesis, and image manipulation on the mac. i ride a trek 820 mt bike. 
i have circle wire framed glasses. i am from a caucasian decent (this seems to 
be an article of discussion) yet i am non-racist, vegetarian, straight edge and
i listen to only techno, dead can cance, cocteau twins, hafler trio, slowdive 
and coil.

what does this make me?

i don't call myself anything, i am just happy the way i am.

sines
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From: wardc@europa.asd.contel.com (Cliff Ward)
Subject: RECOMMENDATIONS Requested
Reply-To: wardc@europa.asd.contel.com (Cliff Ward)
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:45:05 GMT

I have a quick question and would appreciate any responses.  I have heard 
about the "Cyberpunk" movement, but have not experienced it yet.  I would 
like a recomendation of what my first book to read should be to get the feel 
for it.  Again, any responses would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.


Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
From: acsbk@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: Ender's Game
Reply-To: acsbk@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:54:14 GMT


God, what a horrible editor I have! must be 100 columns.

My sicerest appologizations forthcomming!


Bret K.
ACSBK@UMASSD.EDU

again, sorry.
From: randolph@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000: R. U. Sirius
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:53:14
Organization: St. Dismas Infirmary for the Incurably Informed
	<295kPB1w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us>
	<1992Aug18.202317.3383@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cognito.ebay.sun.com
In-reply-to: 's message of 18 Aug 92 20:23:17 GMT

Hierarchic social patterns are an ape, even monkey thing.  Gorillas,
baboons, and chimps, our closest non-sapient relatives have hierarchic
societies.  I believe our hierarchies are an attempt to organize our
societies along those lines.  I believe it's at best a vast illusion
-- we are in effect trying to learn ethics and philosophy from
baboons!  "Transhumans" . . . might not.  The body, after all, would
be vastly different; some of the impulses would differ.  Hey, who
knows, we might even have an attack of wisdom.

__Randolph Fritz  sun!cognito.ebay!randolph || randolph@ebay.sun.com
From: Jeremiah.Blatz@dartmouth.edu (Jeremiah Blatz)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: c-punk and etc.
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:56:56 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Aug16.735.3731@channel1>
eliot.gelwan@channel1.com (eliot gelwan) writes:

> Uh, for those of us who might buy Cyberpunk Cereal for breakfast,
> what does an anarchy logo look like, please?


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Me too!

BTW, IMHO, Grape Nuts is a CP cereal, nice n'gritty!   :-P

Jeremiah
From: helix@inferno.uoregon.edu (Robert Armstrong)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: TECH GAP
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:54:58 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Folks,
	I am a hardware professional and have just as much trouble getting info on current TECH items as the rest of the world.
	However, If you want to meat the movers and shakers of this technology, they all (and I mean all) go to SF cons.  I see John Cramer, Bob Forward and other Physiscists, the folks who work at U of W virtual reality and other silicon forest research places as well as people from The Big Corporations at these cons.

	Give them a try and attend panels.  Yes, the info at the panel is "on-the-surface" stuff, but it's where to meet the folks who will answer your questions about the real ideas and work behind the scenes.

	Off of my soap box now .....

	Robert A.

	helix@inferno.uoregon.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk