HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy,news.admin.policy,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: Re: What about child pornography?
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:08:42 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau32.ira.uka.de

In article <sb380.721296687@KingsX> sb380@city.ac.uk (HOLT A D) writes:
>john@iastate.edu (John Hascall) writes:
>
>>betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
>>} ...
>>}  We carry all the pictures groups, and we wish to continue to carry
>>}them, but what ABOUT child pornography? I really don't want us to be a
>>}passive distributor of this stuff. I am getting complaints from *fans*
>>}of the group that some postings are going too far. 
>
>>How about this amazingly radical concept...
>
>>  If something is illegal for your site, you delete it from your site.
>
>>John
>>-- 
>This attitude is _precisely_ why some sites ban a whole newsgroup, or set of 
>newsgroups, even if only a few postings are illegal. They do not have the
>time or the wish to be a censor (selection of individual messages), but
>could face serious fines or even imprisonment.
>AIUI possession of child pornography is an absolute offence in UK law -
>unknowing possession is still an offence. (Perhaps an English lawyer
>could correct me if I am wrong)

O.K., it may be illegal in the UK to possess child porn (and it will
be in Germany too in the near future, and I do personally not support
any people who want that stuff), but how do people react on an
*international* network to these legal restrictions? There may be
religious countries that forbid possession of materials belonging to a
different than their own religion; or regimes that prohibit the
possession of politically incorrect (in their view) materials; are we
going to judge every single posting by the toughest standards
applicable anywhere?

The responsibility for a posting lies at ONE person: the one who
posted it. 

Olaf
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   "Stop talkin' and start chalkin'!" - Eight Ball Deluxe
Xref: sparky comp.admin.policy:1484 news.admin.policy:215
From: connelly@iscsvax.uni.edu (Ken Connelly)
Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: What about child pornography?
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:41:57 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <BxF1uy.Bzs@news.iastate.edu>, john@iastate.edu (John Hascall) writes:
> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
> } ...
> }  We carry all the pictures groups, and we wish to continue to carry
> }them, but what ABOUT child pornography? I really don't want us to be a
> }passive distributor of this stuff. I am getting complaints from *fans*
> }of the group that some postings are going too far. 
> 
> How about this amazingly radical concept...
> 
>   If something is illegal for your site, you delete it from your site.

And you have time to screen this stuff?  Or anyone on your staff has time? 
Let's get realistic about this, John.

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From: stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Glenn Stauffer)
Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy
Subject: Admin Policy FTP Site ?
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:14:09 GMT
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing Center
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A727ECFF6701432F@stauffer.swarthmore.edu>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:14:07 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12

Sometime ago, I believe I read reference to an FTP site containing a
collection of College and University Computing Policy statements.  If
such a site exists, could someone send me the Internet address?

Glenn Stauffer
Swarthmore College Computing Center
Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy
From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: mail spool solutions
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:44:12 GMT


   Thanks to everyone who answered my question about my filled mail spool.

   The general concensus is that no mail should be deleted, and you 
shouldn't read any mail unless is is neccessary, then only by things like
grep to determine if it is mailing list generated.
   Some people suggested useful changes to the mail software, but the
most common solution suggested was to move the mail into the users
home directory where it will use up thier quota.

   I found that the users were willing to remove most of the mail when
a notice was placed in the motd, and mail sent to the most abusive users.
The motd pointed out that if the spool filled, no new mail would come in.
It seems to have scared people into cleaning up.
   Two users had runaway mailing lists. One (at least) always exits with
'x' rather than 'q'. Everyone else (but one) has cleaned out thier spool.
The two runaways I moved to another partition, and sent mail to thier
bosses to see if the accounts were still active. Cool.

DanZ

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Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy
From: timv@ccad.uiowa.edu (Timothy VanFosson)
Subject: Searching for reasonable use policies
Organization: CAD-Research, University of Iowa, Iowa City
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:03:43 GMT

I am trying to formulate some policies for the use of computers
in our research lab. I would appreciate it if someone could give me
a pointer to a reasonable policy that I could adapt for our use.

Thanks,
--tv
-- 
Timothy VanFosson                             E-mail   : timv@ccad.uiowa.edu
Senior Systems Analyst                        US Mail  : CAD-Research
University of Iowa                                       228 ERF
Phone: (319) 335-5728   FAX: (319) 335-6061              Iowa City, Iowa 52242
Xref: sparky comp.admin.policy:1497 alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk:3365
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
Subject: Re: What about child pornography?
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:37:58 GMT
	<BxIDtp.B9y@cs.uiuc.edu>
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In my case, I feel literally in the middle because we DO feed some
sites, and some of my users HAVE complained about child pornography in
the alt.binaries.pictures.groups. We're not doing anything about it
but it makes me really uncomfortable. As the previous posters have
pointed out, we have no ability to screen EVERY message...screening
message would only have some effect if a lot of sites did it.
  Of course, there will always be some site which dumps material, if
only to test the limits or to prove that they can. However, it doesn't
seem right to be told about the child pornography and just ignore it. 
  We definitely want to keep the binaries groups...they are popular
and may help ""sell" the service. I can't work up much enthusiasm for
defending the groups if they are going to contain child pornography
though. I know, there's a problem determining what is pornography, and
whether pictures used real children or were altered or faked.
Still...I wish the stuff wasn't here
  ...still wondering....
Betsy
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Boston, MA 02125-3393                      of constant information....
Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy
From: paul@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu (Paul Pomes - UofIllinois CSO)
Subject: Re: Full mail spool policy?
Reply-To: Paul-Pomes@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:13:34 GMT

dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis) writes:


>    We are having a problem with a full mail spool. Some users have
>large amounts of mail kept there. I am pretty sure that much of it is
>from mailing lists that they don't want to dump into thier account mbox,
>but don't really want to delete. Well, it is going to have to go now.

At UIUC we set 200K quotas for the /usr/spool/mail partition on our
student account machines (uxa has 8800 accounts, ux4 has 5500).
/bin/mail has also been modified to check quotas before delivery and
will bounce a message if the user is over quota.  It's simple, efficient,
and encourages users not to store mail in the system spool area.  It
does have the side-effect of making users vulnerable to mail bombing,
but that can be handled on a per-case basis.  

/pbp
-- 
"A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the People to keep and read Books shall not be infringed."
	-- J. Neil Schulman
Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: Re: What about child pornography?
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:17:41 GMT

In article <BETSYS.92Nov10193758@ra.cs.umb.edu> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
>In my case, I feel literally in the middle because we DO feed some
>sites, and some of my users HAVE complained about child pornography in
>the alt.binaries.pictures.groups. 

   This goes right to the heart of the problem, as far as I am concerned.
I keep a fairly close eye on a.b.p.e, and I have seen nothing that I feel
certain is child pornography.
   The only thing that may be illegal is the perennial Traci Lords stuff (low
resolution and fuzzy) that may be from her legal films anyway.
    I think some of the confusion over this is a misunderstanding of what
legal and illegal mean in terms of pornogrphy. As I understand it, nothing
is illegal until it is ruled so by a court, and even then it only applies
locally. There is no test for pornographic content in terms of child porn,
and there is no test for obscenity in terms of other porn. I may be wrong,
but I haven't heard is reasonably argued otherwise.

   By 'test', I mean a procedure where you can determine if what you produce
is legal or not. And I think that both child and obscene porn must be judged
to lack serious artistic, educational, or scientific value.

DanZ



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narratives or ideas contained herein are not necessarily true, and do
not necessarily represent the views of any particular person.  

Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy,alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk
From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: What about child pornography?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:29:49 GMT

kehres@ima.com (Tim Kehres) writes:

[...]
>Most sites (or at least those not part of .edu) are around for reasons other
>than to just support news, and their admins perform news administration as
>a peripheral activity.  To monitor every single image that goes through a
>site with a full alt feed is a *very* significant resource in time, one in
>which most companies will not be able to cost justify
[...]

The law seems to say that you are not reponsible for the distribution
of material that can't and don't know about. (Without such law the
First Amendment is almost worthless.)

- Carl

ANNOTATED REFERENCES

(All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)

=================
law/cubby-v-compuserv
=================
* Expression -- Liability -- Cubby v. Compuserv

Report of a federal district court case which said CompuServe could
not be held liable for the defamatory content because it exercised no
editorial control.

=================
law/student-publications.misc
=================
* Expression -- Offensive -- Student Publications -- Misc

Quotes from the book _Law of the Student Press_ by the Student Press
Law Center (1985,1988). They say that four-letter words are protected
speech, that public universities are not likely to be liable for
publications that they for which they do not control the contents, and
that the _Hazelwood_ decision does not apply to universities.

=================
=================

If you have gopher, you can browse the CAF archive with the command
   gopher gopher.eff.org

These document(s) are also available by anonymous ftp (the preferred
method) and by email. To get the file(s) via ftp, do an anonymous ftp
to ftp.eff.org (192.88.144.4), and get file(s):

  pub/academic/law/cubby-v-compuserv
  pub/academic/law/student-publications.misc

To get the file(s) by email, send email to archive-server@eff.org.
Include the line(s) (be sure to include the space before the file
name):

send acad-freedom/law cubby-v-compuserv
send acad-freedom/law student-publications.misc

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Xref: sparky comp.admin.policy:1501 news.admin.policy:299
From: pmm@netcom.com (Paul M. Moriarty)
Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: What about child pornography?
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:59:27 GMT
Reply-To: pmm@cisco.com
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <1992Nov9.074157.8520@iscsvax.uni.edu> connelly@iscsvax.uni.edu (Ken Connelly) writes:
>In article <BxF1uy.Bzs@news.iastate.edu>, john@iastate.edu (John Hascall) writes:
>> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
>> } ...
>> }  We carry all the pictures groups, and we wish to continue to carry
>> }them, but what ABOUT child pornography? I really don't want us to be a
>> }passive distributor of this stuff. I am getting complaints from *fans*
>> }of the group that some postings are going too far. 
>> 
>> How about this amazingly radical concept...
>> 
>>   If something is illegal for your site, you delete it from your site.
>
>And you have time to screen this stuff?  Or anyone on your staff has time? 
>Let's get realistic about this, John.
>

Additionally, one can argue that if a site enacts a policy to ban certain
groups, it is giving implicit approval to all of the remaining ones that it
chooses to carry.


-> Paul <-
Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy,news.admin.policy
From: sb380@city.ac.uk (HOLT A D)
Subject: Re: What about child pornography?
Organization: The City University
Date:  9 Nov 92 08:11:27 GMT

john@iastate.edu (John Hascall) writes:

>betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:
>} ...
>}  We carry all the pictures groups, and we wish to continue to carry
>}them, but what ABOUT child pornography? I really don't want us to be a
>}passive distributor of this stuff. I am getting complaints from *fans*
>}of the group that some postings are going too far. 

>How about this amazingly radical concept...

>  If something is illegal for your site, you delete it from your site.

>John
>-- 
This attitude is _precisely_ why some sites ban a whole newsgroup, or set of 
newsgroups, even if only a few postings are illegal. They do not have the
time or the wish to be a censor (selection of individual messages), but
could face serious fines or even imprisonment.
AIUI possession of child pornography is an absolute offence in UK law -
unknowing possession is still an offence. (Perhaps an English lawyer
could correct me if I am wrong)

Andy

Andy Holt // City University // London // England

Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy
From: kehres@ima.com (Tim Kehres)
Newsgroups: comp.admin.policy,news.admin.policy
Subject: Re: What about child pornography?
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:26:08 GMT
Followup-To: comp.admin.policy
Organization: International Messaging Associates, Menlo Park, California

In article <BxF1uy.Bzs@news.iastate.edu> john@iastate.edu (John Hascall) writes:

> How about this amazingly radical concept...
> 
>   If something is illegal for your site, you delete it from your site.

How about another amazingly radical concept...

Most sites (or at least those not part of .edu) are around for reasons other
than to just support news, and their admins perform news administration as
a peripheral activity.  To monitor every single image that goes through a
site with a full alt feed is a *very* significant resource in time, one in
which most companies will not be able to cost justify.  I doubt that all
administrators will be dying to spend all their waking non-billable hours 
monitoring this stuff just to make sure they did not miss some illegal posting.

Lets get real about this - either we are able to police ourselves, or several
(many?) sites will join the ranks of those banning the erotic picture groups
from their sites.  Only this time, those choosing to censor the groups will
be doing so due to the legal implications of carrying the traffic, not 
necessarily because of how they feel toward the actual images posted.  There
will not be any facist admins to blame this time around - only those foolish
posters that could not control what they posted.

Regards,

Tim Kehres
From: holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Holger Reusch (Dipl. Gerhard + Joe))
Newsgroups: comp.archives
Subject: [rec.guns] International Gun Law - Update
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:40:09 GMT
Followup-To: rec.guns
Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
X-Original-Newsgroups: rec.guns
X-Original-Date: 27 Oct 92 16:27:34 GMT

Archive-name: auto/rec.guns/International-Gun-Law-Update

Last week I posted a request for overview texts about international
(non-US) gun law here.  So far I received a handful of articles for
which I hereby thank the authors.

The articles are available via anonymous FTP from ftp.vmars.tuwien.ac.at
(128.130.39.16) in the directory /pub/misc/guns/gunlaw.  The README file
there contains additional information.

The gun laws of the following countries have been described so far:

 -  Austria
 -  Finland
 -  Germany
 -  The Netherlands
 -  Switzerland
 -  United Kingdom

If you are versed in the gun laws of any country but these mentioned
above (or if you find some important points not covered in the
overviews) please send me mail (I can be reached as
holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at).  Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

Note:  I won't cover US gun laws.  They are too diverse and are covered
by someone OTOSOTP anyway.  If anybody has a copy of Mike Kielsky's
CCW survey handy, I'll include it for sake of completeness, though.

-- 
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| Technical University of Vienna, Austria <-+--- No kangaroos here,
| Dept. for Real-Time Systems               |    sorry!
| holger@vmars.tuwien.ac.at                 |
From: honig@dixie.ICS.UCI.EDU ("David A. Honig")
Newsgroups: comp.archives
Subject: [comp.graphics] simple X animator, with digital subtraction and monochrome support
Followup-To: comp.graphics,rec.arts.animation,sci.geo.meteorology,sci.image.processing,sci.med.physics
Date: 7 Nov 1992 12:52:02 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
X-Original-Newsgroups: comp.graphics,rec.arts.animation,sci.geo.meteorology,sci.image.processing,sci.med.physics
X-Original-Date: 6 Nov 92 01:04:34 GMT

Archive-name: auto/comp.graphics/simple-X-animator-with-digital-subtraction-and-monochrome-support


I've updated the "mov.c" source that I've posted before.  "mov"
animates a movie on an X display.  Previously it only handled 8-bit
displays; now it manages on mono displays too.  Also, if you use
the -q option, it will display your movies using digital subtraction.

The source, "mov.c" is in the honig directory on ics.uci.edu.  A compiled
version for sun4s in called mov.sun4.

If you need a movie to try it with, you could ftp the file coffee.128.Z
which is a 128 x 128 x 8-bit x 30 frame file.  Or ftp the iclouds or clouds
scripts and run them, after building mov.  Those scripts get the past day's
weather satellite images (a dozen 600 x 300 x 8 frames).  Subtraction mode
with clouds is pretty cool.

dh
From: card@masi.ibp.fr (Remy CARD)
Newsgroups: comp.archives
Subject: [comp.os.linux] [ANNOUNCE: ext fs progs version alpha 9]
Followup-To: comp.os.linux
Date: 7 Nov 1992 12:52:14 GMT
Organization: Laboratoire MASI - Universite Pierre et Marie Curie - Paris - France
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
X-Original-Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
X-Original-Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:06:22 GMT

Archive-name: auto/comp.os.linux/ANNOUNCE-ext-fs-progs-version-alpha-9


	[This is a repost because my first posting didn't seem to go
	 out ...]

	The new release of the extended file system programs (efsck and
mkefs) is available by ftp on ftp-masi.ibp.fr:/pub/linux/ALPHA/extfs and
should be available soon on tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/ALPHA/extfs.

	The changes in this new version (alpha 9) are :
	- mkefs no longer restricts the -i option to 4kb,
	- mkefs can figure the file system size (the size argument is
	  now optional), Thanks to Adam Richter <adam@soda.berkeley.edu>
	- efsck returns a status code (0 if no changes, 1 if the file system
	  was changed),
	- efsck tries to correct bad directory entries by truncating the
	  directories.

	This new release is available in different forms :
	- a patch from version alpha 8 to alpha 9 (efsprogs.p9.Z),
	- the full source and binary programs (efsprogs9.tar.Z),
	- the source programs only (efsprogs9.src.tar.Z),
	- the binary programs only (efsprogs9.bin.tar.Z).

	I hope that this new release will help in case of bad directory
entries.  I'd like people who have bad directories on an extended file system
to contact me before running this new version of efsck.  There is perhaps a
bug in the ext fs directory handking routines and I need some dumps from the
bad directories to check it.

	As usual, in case of bugs or strange behaviour of these programs or the
extended file system itself, feel free to contact me.


	Remy
--

	Remy Card
	card@masi.ibp.fr
From: rcpt@rwa.urc.tue.nl (Piet Tutelaers)
Newsgroups: comp.archives
Subject: [rec.crafts.brewing] Dutch beer course ftp-able
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:40:03 GMT
Reply-To: rcpt@urc.tue.nl
Followup-To: rec.crafts.brewing
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
X-Original-Newsgroups: rec.crafts.brewing
X-Original-Date: 19 Oct 92 16:44:44 GMT

Archive-name: auto/rec.crafts.brewing/Dutch-beer-course-ftp-able


My Dutch beer making course (brewing from malt, water, hop and yeast
in the time consuming but very exciting way) is available on
ftp.urc.tue.nl in pub/tex/brouwen. I have upgraded my earlier troff
course with some simple recipes (special for rec.crafts.brewing). The
LaTeX source with two EPSF pictures is available as UNIX archive
(cursus.tar.Z) and as MSDOS archive (cursus.zip).  For UNIX machines I
have provided a Makefile that generates the documentation
auto-make-ally. The sources also contain an interesting logcard for
keeping track of the brewing steps (in Dutch and using metric
measures).

There are also two ready-to-print PostScript files: one for A4-paper
(cursus.ps.Z) and one to make an A5-booklet (cursusA5.ps.Z) provided
you have a PostScript printer that can do duplex printing like the
LPS20 for example.

Kaj Tesink (kaj@cc.bellcore.com) has offered help in translating the
course into English.

Positive reactions are welcomed.

--Piet

internet: rcpt@urc.tue.nl       | Piet Tutelaers
bitnet:   rcpt@heitue5.BITNET   | Computer Center       Room  RC 1.90
phone:    +31 (0)40 474541      | Eindhoven University of  Technology
fax:      +31 (0)40 434438      | P.O. Box 513, 5600 MB Eindhoven, NL