HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: New York University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:50:31 GMT

"Pamela J. Bernhardt" <pb2i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>My two cents.

>1) Didn't Dream kill off destruction in A Dolls House?  He unmade the
			  ^^^^^^^^^^^
			    Don't you mean the Corinthian?

guy!  And even if he remade him, I don't think that he'd be fool enough
>to make him that horrible. 

>2) Why didn't Delirium go and ask Orpheus?  She is his aunt, and it
>would have saved Dream from doing it.  

Well, going with the change thing, Morph is changing, growing up.  If
he'd sent Del to Orpheus, don't you think Dest would've known that
Morpheus was behind it?  Besides, he's an *ORACLE*, he *knows* things.
*8-) 

>Also I really liked when dream said that ending the journey wasn't an
>option, the panel showed delirium.

My favorite ws the ice-cream... :)

			-Darkmage

>Pam

>"It is ... Refreshing to see you so collected."
>"Stick it"
--
"And whut-- ah say...  Whut are _YOU_ALL_ goin' t' be doin'?"

"I...?  I shall stand around looking... moody.  And feeling...
 sorry for myself."
From: pml3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Paul Michael Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: artists who draw themselves
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:58:30 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>   I hope this doesn't hold true for John Romita Jr.  Has he
>become gigantic, swollen, bloated, grotesque and possessing a
>sloping forehead?  I hope not, i wouldn't want to look at him
>any more than I want to look at his artwork.
>
>   I also hope this doesn't hold true for Valentino or
>Herb Trimpe.  Otherwise, they must look pretty ridiculous.

Well, what could be said about Bill Sienciewicz?  :)

(I met him, he was pretty normal looking...)


>   I did notice in a recent Wizard that Joe Quesada is rather
>sickly looking.  I hope for Joe's sake this was just a bad
>photo.  It looked like a really bad drivers liscence shot.

I met him too, and he was rather normal.  Not sickly at all.  Probably a bad
photo.

-- 

+-| Paul Lewis |--| Jonestown: WLVR 91.3fm  Coming Soon...  |-+-------------+
|  'I'd love to turn you on.'                  -The Beatles   |             |
|  'You should be with us, feeling like we do  -Perry Farrell |     1       |
|   like you love to, but never will again.'                  |    2 3      |
|  'The struggle between God and man breaks    -Kazantzakis   |             |
|   out in everyone.'                                         | Renaissance |
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lintz@balin.cis.udel.edu (Brian Lintz)
Subject: Re: Hellblazer's Still Not That Great
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:44:26 GMT

In article <93023.152004DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>   Anybody think Constantine partied a
>  little TOO hearty in #63?  I mean, all
>  of a sudden everybody's toking.  What an
>  influence this could have on impressionable
>  young minds.

Are you saying you have a problem with the marijuana,
but not with the alcohol? Despite the legal status of
both substances, overall alcohol is worse than marijuana.	
Besides, this is a mature readers comic. Technically, 
impressionable young minds shouldn't be reading it anyway.

Brian Lintz
lintz@udel.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jhildebr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Subject: SANDMAN: Update about upcoming issues.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 00:35:49 GMT


	Not a lot of new information, but one thing that I thought was
interesting.

	I just got back from a Neil Gaiman signing at Westfield Comics in
Madison (Jill Thompson showed up just before I left even though she hadn't
been announced as being there), and I asked him about future issues. What
he said was Brief Lives runs through #49; #50 is the long delayed fourth
Distant Mirrors story. Then #51-55 or 56 will be another series of shorts.
These will be slightly different than previous strings of shorts in that
they will apparently be very strongly linked and I think he said that there
will be a framing sequence to them. After that is as reported before, one
final long storyline, _The Kindly Ones_, then a novella, _The Wake_, and
finally _The Tempest_ to end the series. Figuring _The Kindly Ones_
as 6-9 issues and _The Wake_ as 3-4 issues it looks like the series will
end around #65-70, so it looks like we're still 1.5-2 years away from the
end. (Hmm, begining to sound like a time invariant. Maybe Sandman will end
when Mage II starts coming out. :)

	As an interesting side note, Neil is not only very familiar with
Usenet, but from something he said it sounds like he sees a lot of the
postings that are made here. (Either he's got an account somewhere or else
someone's forwarding postings to him.) And he said that the only thing that
had really annoyed him from Usenet was during A Game of You when someone
looked up Murphy in the OED, and then posted it without any spoiler warnings.
So be careful if you post anything that could be considered spoilers, you
might annoy more people than you expect. (Grin.)

	Gaiman was being very gracious and friendly. When I got up to the 
front of the line he had already been signing for 2 hours and there were 
probably another 2 hours worth of people in the line behind me. Under the
circumstances I wouldn't have blamed him for being a little impatient,
but he was cheerful and polite.

-Jeff, not quite a drooling sandboy, but someone who does like Gaiman's work
--
Jeff Hildebrand, The Shaggy TA		       	   hildebra@math.wisc.edu
"The following statement  is an editorial viewpoint  and does not reflect 
the views of WSRN-FM, its employees, or mutant drosophila" - Off the Cuff
"And a tenor I wouldn't give two fives for."       -       City of Angels
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bob the Glennlizard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: JLA #72
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:49:30 GMT
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <1993Jan22.030315.15480@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:



>      Still and all, it was a great feeling to see something like this
> done without a big buildup and announcements about "Coming Soon!  The
> Dark'n'Gritty (tm) JLA like you've never seen them before!".  No big
> hype, just a story that makes you wonder where the last 50 issues you
> missed went to lead up to this one.  It's a device that can be
> clumsily done (as in X-Men with the introduction of Genosha), but this
> time it was well done, as the intention was to put the reader off
> balance.

I appreciated this a great deal, too.  It's nice to be surprised once in a
while.  They did tell us these guys would be in the next issue, but not
much else, thankfully.

>      Dave Van Domelen, the radio is playing Jimmy Olsen Blues again....

Shoot it!!! :) :) :)

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"But why would you not want Apollo as your lover"
"Well, for one thing, I kept getting sunburned in the most embarassing 
   places!"
     --- Plato and Cassandra
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
......................................................................
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Subject: Re: Rec.arts.comics.vertigo
Organization: New York University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:02:15 GMT

rac.vertigo sounds like a good idea; if you're posting something that
falls into a grey area (like Lobo, or Spawn :), just post to both...
eventually, we'll all figure out who likes what where... 

Just my $0.02.

		-Darkmage
--
Finally!  A sig that works!!!!!!   *8-)

Darkmage, the Clueless Wonder, is silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu
fnord.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Subject: Re: Sandman: more idle chatter
Organization: New York University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:17:48 GMT

rsholmes@rodan.syr.EDU (Rich Holmes) writes:

>In article <1993Jan20.050249.10396@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:

>>In article <Bz3IB4.KG9@dcs.ed.ac.uk> axjb@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Anthony Bailey) writes:
>>>
>>>- no matter how much stronger Dream is now having had his ruby destroyed
>>>  and his energies rereleased, he was still no push-over at the beginning
>>>  of the twentieth century. How come Burgess was able to entrap him with
>>>  a fairly unspectacular summoning ceremony that didn't even have him as
>>>  it's intended target? The textual recap in #8 mentions that something
>>>  had already weakened him and the summoning was the final straw. Well,
>>>  what was it then? I haven't a clue as yet.
>>>
>>According to Neil Gaiman last summer, this will be the topic of a graphic
>>novel he intends to write at some point after the regular monthly run of
>>Sandman has finished.
>>
>>Mike

>I just picked up #47. I don't think a spoiler warning is needed for
>the following:

>Panel #1 on p. 14 shows a flashback of Dream, with helmet and ruby,
>floating in (?) space. Caption: "The Dream-King is returning, in
>triumph of a kind, from a far galaxy, tired beyond reckoning and tried
>beyond all endurance. His triumph is short-lived: from the darkness
>old voices call to him, and he awakes in a glass prison in a deep
>cellar."

>Now this is interesting: taken at face value it suggests the Endless
>really are in some sense localized -- Dream isn't simultaneously
>manifested on Earth and in "a far galaxy" but has apparently gone
>there and returned. That seems to contradict my impression that while
>we are seeing the Endless mostly dealing with Earth, they are in fact
>simultaneously everywhere.

>Perhaps Dream has more-or-less independent manifestations everywhere,
>but his Earth manifestation had to go to "a far galaxy" temporarily
>for whatever reason. Or perhaps he had no manifestation there because
>there was no (dreaming) life there... seems unlikely.

Alternate explanation:  Something happened in that far galaxy which
required his concentrated being (like a Mega Crisis,tm).  Whatever
happened there sapped his strength, so that the return of his
concentration to Earth wasn't instantaneous, but more like Swampy's
travels thru the green, or like how he travelled back to his realm after
escaping.  

		--Darkmage

>--
>- Rich "mcmxciibo" Holmes
>"Grown men, he told himself, in flat contradiction of centuries of
>accumulated evidence about the way grown men behave, do not behave
>like this." -- Douglas Adams
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 08:31:16 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Squadron Supreme(was Re: McReviews: JLA #72)
	<1993Jan22.091653.22942@leland.Stanford.EDU>

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 22-Jan-93 Re: McReviews: JLA
#72 Terry Wong@garfield.Stan (2336)

> This is an incredible rip-off!!!  Marvel did almost the exact same story
> 5 years ago with their Squadron Supreme mini-series.  At that time,
> Marvel and DC were negotiating to do an Avengers-JLA team-up story.
> When that deal fell through, the Marvel writers had some fun by coming
> up with their own version of the JLA called the Squadron Supreme.  There
> were equivalents to Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Hawkman,
> Zatanna, and others in the team.   The basic plot you described is
> almost exactly the same as written in the Squadron Supreme.  The
> group that takes over the world is lead by the Superman equivalent, 
> while the team that that rebels against the superhero rule is led by
> the Batman equivalent.  


no offense, but don't ever consider yourself a Marvel zombie! :) The
Squadron Supreme has been around for MUCH longer than 5 years, dating
back to the early days of the Avengers. They also appeared in the
Defenders from #111-113 I believe (it might have #113-115), which was
the story which introduced the Overmind, and in Captain America around
#310-311 (about the same time as the mini-series). Oh, and by the way,
"the Marvel writers" you mention above was Mark Gruenwald, who only took
what was there and added to it to make a more complete world--he didn't
create the team (I think that honor goes Thomas and Colan if I'm not
mistaken). But you did a pretty good job of summarizing the story (one
of Gruenwald's best efforts, IMHO). Oh and of course, the Squadron has
shown up again in the pages of Quasar, also written by Gruenwald.

--Vernon.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: atc@deveel.aero.org (A.T. Campbell)
Subject: Re: BATMAN- P. Craig Russel!
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:11:25 GMT

In talking about the work of P. Craig Russell, (Eric Jaron Stieglitz) writes:
>
>If my memory serves me right, Russel also did some work in the Morbius series
>in Adventures into Fear from the 70s....

I'm glad to see that other folks like Craig Russell's art as well. He's long
been one of my favorites.

However, Russell never worked on Morbius. You're probably confusing him with
Paul Gulacy, another good artist who broke into comics about the same time,
who briefly draw Morbius. Gulacy was followed on the series by Gil Kane
and Frank Robbins, both of whom have quite distinctive styles. By the way, 
Russell and Gulacy (along with Val Mayerik) were all discovered by Dan
Adkins, a veteran of the early days of Marvel and Warren.

In case you're interested in seeking out some of P. Craig Russell's early
stuff, here is a brief run-down (from memory):

MARVEL FEATURE (Marvel): 
		Ant Man series.
AMAZING ADVENTURES/WAR OF THE WORLDS (Marvel): 
		A sequel to the the H. G. Wells novel, WAR OF THE WORLDS, 
		written by Don McGregor. It was a good story, with lots of 
		then-current political references (Watergate, for example). 
		This was Craig's first real chance to shine as a star artist, 
		and his work improved with every issue. There was a followup 
		graphic novel, KILLRAVEN, that tied up a lot of loose ends.
DR. STRANGE ANNUAL (Marvel):
		A wonderfully surreal cosmic journey, with amazing art.
BATMAN FAMILY (DC):
		Craig inked several Batman stories, first pencilled by 
		Jim Starlin and later by Michael Golden.
STAR*REACH (Star*Reach):
		Several short stories illustrated by Craig appeared in this 
		independent anthology series.
CRAIG RUSSELL'S NIGHT MUSIC (Eclipse):
		A collection of short stories written and illustrated by
		Craig. Some are quite experimental. They range from SF
		to fantasy to children's stories.
ELRIC (Pacific):
		Adaptation of the adventures of Michael Moorcock's sword
		and sorcery character. The adaptation was done by Roy Thomas.
		Started as a graphic novel, later a series. After several
		issues, Michael Gilbert took over as penciller and Craig
		stayed on as inker.

More recent work includes ROBIN 2000, CRAIG RUSSELL'S OPERA, and some
adaptations of the work of Oscar Wilde.These should be readily available.

You should check this out. Craig's done consistently good work for a long time.

-- 

A. T. Campbell, III 
atc@deveel.aero.org
The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:59:45 GMT

lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:



>There are several Greek gods who dealt with sleep. If I recall correctly,
>Morpheus wasn't the only one that dealt with dreams. He was just one
>of the more pleasant sleep/dream gods.

>Isn't Morpheus one of Nyx's off-spring? 

From what I remember from grade school, Morphues was Hades son.
He was charcged with giving people a little taste opf death (sleep) before
they die, to prepare them.  Persephone suggested makign dreams, to lightening
the deathlike sleep.  She made for him the lotus flower, which when I
read it described, was a deep purple/black (sleep/death) with a flaming
red centre (dream).


That's our story for the day.  Now everyone go and get your koolaid and cookies
on your own.


LJC 
-- 
Lady Johanna Constantine* Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu   * endure when mere facts are dust, and ashes, and
Disclaimer - huh?       * forgot.      -Dream of the Endless (and Neil G.)
LJC of the Net.Trenchcoat.brigade (Hi Elmo ;)
From: rjuers@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Raymond L Juers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: List of This Week's New Comics
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:44:20 GMT
Reply-To: rjuers@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Raymond L Juers)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


Hi!  I was wondering what happened to the great weekly listings someone
kept posting about new comics being delivered to stores every week?
I've come to look forward to seeing them and if who ever was posting
them could keep up the great work, it would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks

	 Ray
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Shakespeare)
Subject: Re: Bring back Superboy (was: IS Superman dead?)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:16:10 GMT

I think they should bring back Superman, unchanged (no grim 'n' gritty) AND
create a new Superboy character contemporary with the adult superman.  I
don't mean a Kryptonian or Daxamite, but just a metahuman kid with powers
similar (although inferior to) Supes'.  Superboy would not have to be white,
of course.  Just so he doesn't talk like the ghost of stereotypes past.

My vote would be for an upstanding middle-class black kid.  American Indian
or hispanic would be equally interesting, but just once I'd like to see a
major comic book African American hero who doesn't either come from or
hang around the ghetto.

Sort of like Black Panther or the Falcon, but without the disease of constantly
being Captain America (... and Black Panther) or the Avengers (... including
Black Falcon).


-- 
William ("Shakespeare") Gulstad          /  So where are the C.S. babes?
wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu                /  Joni Mitchell for President!
I vote, so I can complain!               /  Did you vote?  Then don't complain!
Republican is the opposite of democracy! /  Tune in, drop out, log on.
From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: VER: Upcoming Mike Allred work
Date: 28 Jan 1993 14:43:31 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

No one has mentioned (that I've seen) the upcoming Vertigo "umbrella" title,
Vertigo Visions.  #1 will premiere in April, starring Brother Power the Geek.
Written by Rachel (Doom Patrol) Pollack and drawn by Mike (Madman) Allred.
Laura Allred will provide colors.

And according to an article in the first issue of some new anythology from
Australia's Cyclone Comics, Mike Allred will also be doing a storyline in
Sandman Mystery Theatre (maybe #9-12).

(I can't recall the name of the anthology, but the contents are pretty
execrable: one poorly paced weird mystery-man story [but comepetently drawn],
and two stories by people who fail in their attempts to write as weird [but
comprehensibly] as Grant Morrison, and to draw as weird [but comprehensibly]
as Bill Sienkiewicz.  The four page on Allred [including one full-page strip]
are the only real value in the issue.)

------------------------------
                             |     I heard gunshots from the kitchen, and raced
Jim Drew                     | in to find Sheriff David pointing a now-unloaded
jrd@frame.com                | police revolver at the refrigerator.
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     "I got it!" he said.  "I got the monster!"
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     I gingerly opened the refrigerator.  A week
B(2)h t c k g+(p) rv p e     | without power had left the insides pretty scary,
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | but I saw no monster.  I pulled out a package of
{opinions: mine != frame's}  | shot-up cheese, instead.
                             |     "I think you got the meunster, Sheriff."
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Broken Bokken"
From: eusl01@castle.ed.ac.uk (L Edwards)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Sandman - C's
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:21:13 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Edinburgh University

One only but I like it:

Destiny - Caprice.


- Lilian
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: cliffr@pyuxf.uucp (25347-roberts)
Subject: Server and Subscribing
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 19:51:40 GMT

Could someone please either post or email me the command and
server address to get comic news and information.

Thanks in advance

cliff
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: Annotated Future Imperfect (Long)
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:58:40 GMT

>One correction to the list...
>That's not Kryptonite next to the Wrecking ball; those are the amulets
>the Sons of the Tiger wore.

Hmmm, I think I might be forgiven for missing those. Rather obscure and
till I knew they were something.
>
>And NO ONE knows whether or not Professor X's wheelchair is the same as
>the one Bruce Banner sat in during John Byrne's run on HULK? I don't have
>any of those issues available!!!

I just dug through the old Byrne issues of the Hulk and it is definately
Professor X's wheelchair. The main differnece is that Xavier's
wheelchair covered the legs, while the one Banner use did not. However
,the design is remarkable similar. Whoever designed Xavier's chair was
obviously influenced by the design.
>
>I think maybe we're going overboard on all of the capes (I know Cloak's,
>Doc Strange's and Quasar's are intentional; but Quicksilver's costume
>should have a white lightning bolt on it...)

I go by gut feeling on the capes. Yes, some are obvious, but others just
strike me as belonging to certain characters. The Red one looks like
Thor's, the green like Doom's, and the red and blue costume look like
the Scarett Witch and Quicksilver. Their positioning so close together
supports the idea.

_craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>  Stupid Things that you don't want to find on your child's Report  >
>  Card                                                              >
>  #10. Tasty.                                                       >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:13043 soc.motss:58463
From: 01klcampbell@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Kent Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Comic Characters in Mainstream Books -- The List!
Date: 26 Jan 93 06:02:26 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <1993Jan22.173719.8984@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, James Willer writes:
> Did you ever speculate as to *why* Mystique liked having Rogue around?
> Just a thought. (I wouldn't thihnk anything actually happened between 'em.)

Well, it's a rather idiotic thought.  If Mystique had a male foster child,
no one would consider the possibility that she might be hot for him, but
to suggest that perhaps she felt anything more than motherly love for 
Rogue smacks of typical "queers = child molesters" mentality.  If you'll
remember, Rogue was only about 16 when she lived with Mystique, and 
completely naive.

If you meant it as a joke, please use smileys.  If you didn't, rethink
your thought process.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- /<ent Campbell ------------------------- 01klcampbell@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu --
-- Ball State University, Muncie, IN ------ 01klcampbell@BSUVAX1.BITNET -----
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------