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From: Evan Torrie <torrie@cs.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Shakeout in PC Industry Continues
Organization: Stanford University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
     <1992Aug30.222155.984@utstat.uucp>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 01:37:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.222155.984@utstat.uucp> Philip McDunnough,
philip@utstat.uucp writes:
>
>What do you consider C=? I doubt that it's about to disappear. The
companies
>who have simply copied other people's work are in bad shape. They have
>contributed little to the micro world, and won't be missed.

 Well, C= always used to be considered a second-tier PC compatible maker
in 
New Zealand, so they'll probably make it on that alone. 
 And the proprietary products obviously don't face quite the same pricing 
pressure that the PC compatibles do. 


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From: iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:48:16 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Aug28.080911.3788@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>
>	Most computer books I have read consider VM a last resort.  Why?
>	It is slow.  It was necessary because of the 640K limit on DOS.
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm sorry, but MS-DOS does not have Virtual Memory. Windows has VM, but then
again. it is not effected by the 640K limit as it runs in protected mode.

DOS never had VM. Some apps may implement their own VM, but DOS itself
has never provided a VM service. Even DOS 6.0 lacks VM.

Overlays are common on many platforms, including the Amiga. It is a matter
of how you implement your program and not a function of the OS.
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From: 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 06:27:14 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.051733.3749@athena.cs.uga.edu> kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson) writes:
>From: kjohnson@castor.cs.uga.edu (Kristopher Johnson)
>Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
>Date: 1 Sep 92 05:17:33 GMT
>In article <1992Aug31.080452.1080@msus1.msus.edu> lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:


>One of the planned third-party 'peripherals' for the Falcon030's 
>processor-direct slot is an external 'bus cage' (an external box
>with several VMEbus and/or other-type bus slots), so it *WILL* be
>able to handle more than a single peripheral card.
>
>
>Steve

Interesting...

Will this cage run at the same speed as the rest of the system?  Why don't 
third party developers make local bus cages for the IBM?

How much power can this cage supply to all those cards that you're going to 
slot in?

How's this going to connect with the rest of the computer?  A whopping big 
cable running out the back of the Falcon to a big black box?

How will this system configure all the devices?  Will the Falcon know what 
is connected and who gets priority?

Who is this third party?  I hope it can deliver products to announced time 
frames.  (A few REAL SOON NOW promises from various third party developers 
for Amiga, Atari, ibm, etc... spring to mind).

Am I curious or what?


Jim


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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (beta) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:23:28 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <la2ivvINNsnn@pollux.usc.edu> addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:
> In <mykes.0d3o@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> >Remember, though, all they need is a working 'C' compiler and a working OS
> >and all the stuff on the Fish disks would be easy to just recompile.  The
> >stuff that is worth it, anyhow.
>
> I'd prefer that the other operating systems be ported to the Amiga.  By your
> arguments, developers could just recompile their code to have an Amiga version.
> [Actually, I wonder how far MS Windows- and OS/2- compatible Application
> Program Interfaces could help in making it easier for developers to port to
> the Amiga.]
>

Porting stuff to the Amiga's 68K box is a waste of time.  You spend more money
on a very limited amount of advertising than you make in return.

> You are, however, forgetting that the Fish disks contain more than 'C'
> programs.  The assembly language stuff would need to be recoded, for instance.
> Furthermore, I think your underestimating how much the code on the Fish disks
> depends on big-endian byte ordering.  Even for programs that are insensitive
> to the byte ordering internally, there can be major problems with data file
> compatibility.
>

Yes, the assembly would have to be recoded.  What assembly are you going to
miss off the fish disks?  The stuff that will be missed WILL be ported.

> The Unix ports might not be so bad since they are designed for such
> portability, but I suspect you would still have to make some changes to
> the source code (like a #define or two) even in those cases.
>

OK.  You win.  A couple of #defines is too prohibitive.

> >Reality check.  It takes a MAJOR application, either hardware or software, to
> >make a computer marketable.
>
> Hmm.  Maybe my memory is a bit foggy, but I can't seem to recall the
> tail-that-wagged-the-dog application for the Commodore 64.  :-)
>

The C64 was little more than a game console, as the A600 is.  I said
COMPUTER :)

> --
> Richard
>

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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:48:12 GMT

barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
: Probably pretty close to 4.5 million.  So if the rest of the nation is like
: this -- about 4 dealers per 4 million peopleor so, with 250 million people in
: the U.S. total -- we get:

I'll be blunt:

Fortunately, the rest of the US is NOT like Iowa.

I could count more than that in Milwaukee.  One, in particular,
plug-plug, is Safe Harbor.

I'm sure you've heard of it, and they're NOT doing poorly.  There are
several others.  There's also Fox Valley Computing.  The point is,
once again, your statistics are off, and you're full of BS.

(PS:  The reason those two names come to mind is because I deal with
them exclusively.  They're where I go when I want Amiga stuff.)

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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:06:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.071736.16189@marlin.jcu.edu.au> phsjs@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Stephen J.Smith) writes:
>In <1992Aug25.033214.24601@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Aug25.001250.5610@marlin.jcu.edu.au> phsjs@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Stephen J.Smith) writes:
>>>In <1992Aug24.184027.28027@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>
>>The IFF world depends on you, Skip........
>
>>>>Skip Sauls
>>>Stephen J. Smith	Technical Officer	phsjs@marlin.jcu.edu.au
>
>>I dunno about Stephen J. Smith...What do you guys think?
>
>Me either... Well he looks nothing like Homer Simpson anyways....

Darn! it would've been my first guess!  :-)

>Stephen J. Smith	Technical Officer	phsjs@marlin.jcu.edu.au
>Physics Department
>James Cook University
>Townsville QLD 4811


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From: James_Coulter@panam.wimsey.bc.ca (James Coulter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: MicroSoft famous?
Distribution: world
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:42:26 PST
Organization: Commodore Computer Club / PaNorAmA

In a message dated Fri 28 Aug 92 22:13, Abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (kelvin Leu
wrote:

 AL> Yours Sincerely,
 AL> Kelvin (whose Alma Mater invented BASIC--which makes Microsoft
 AL> famous).

The 640k barrier made Microsoft famous...

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From: d0dak@dtek.chalmers.se (David Kinnvall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Date: 29 Aug 92 09:49:35 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

gfm@gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:


>	I came upon a graphic file that looked like a fax or a really crappy
>paper scan..It included the Commodore letterhead and was in german...This
>is basically what it told:

I have got this picture and another one too..

>Amiga 4000 Preliminary:
> 
>CPU: 68040/25 mHz
> 
>Ram:  16 Megabytes Fast Ram/2 Megabytes Chip Ram (On Motherboard)
> 
>Operating System:  Workbench 3.0
> 
Actually, it only says: Operating System: V3.0

>Floppy Drive:  High Density Disk Drive
> 
>Hard Disk:  AT-BUS (IDE)
> 
>Graphic Chips:  AA Chipset

Here it also says: 256 Colors in all resolutions so far on the Amiga,
probably meaning 256 in all resolutions supported by ECS.

> 
>Other information included built in IO ports, but these seemed no different
>than A2000/3000 ones (Floppy Drive, Video Slot, etc)

>Fake or real?  Nothing shocking about the specs, probably real, I'd say.
Yeah, it sure looks and sounds real.

>And before I get blasted by people who think I may be breaking NDA

>1) I'm not a developer
Me neither.

>2) I have no idea if this is fake or real and is presented for entertainment
>purposes only
Me neither.

>3)  There's nothing on there that hasn't been posted to the net already.
Correct.

>	Also included a list price of 3600 DM for a particular model,
>though there may be more than one (with varying Hard Disk space)

Prices according to the second fax (or paper scan...):

Amiga 4000 mit  40 MB HD, Art.-Nr. 342504, DM 3.420,00.
Amiga 4000 mit 120 MB HD, Art.-Nr. 342512, DM 3.645,00.

This should be the prices for the dealers..
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:27:27 GMT

In article <James_Hastings-Trew.0jf6@telepro.UUCP> James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:
>In a message dated Wed  2 Sep 92  8:29, Hyongel@cco.caltech.edu (hyong Chol
>wrote:
>
> HC> James_Hastings-Trew@telepro.UUCP (James Hastings-Trew) writes:
>
[Some wrote all this, I don't follow the >'s]

>I am pretty sure that kermit and your FTP software are more resistant to
>these massive disturbances to the serial connection, but my Zmodem
>transfers at 9600 baud sure take a beating. As long as I start the
>transfer, and then don't do ANYTHING that causes a disk access, I can do it
>successfully. That means, I have to have my Wordprocessor loaded in, with
>the document I am going to work on loaded up, BEFORE I begin any transfer.
>Once the transfer is started, I can then safely work on my document, with
>the transfer going on in the background. As long as I don't try to load
>anything, save anything, bring up a desk accessory, or anything else to
>initate a HD access, then I am OK.

Heh heh, did you remember to turn the autosave OFF?  :-) :-) :-)

>I used to have have a Mac IIcx at work, and an A500 at home. I would
>experience the speed shift going home from working on the faster machine
>all day. Now I have an 040 Quadra at work, and an 030 Amiga at home. I
>still experience the speed shift, but it is now in the other direction...
>The Mac OS NEEDS the 040 just to keep up with the slower CPU in the Amiga.

I haven't too much to tell wrt OS/2 2.0 and background downloads.
I remember it failing once when I was simultaneously installed
Wing Commander II.  :-)

>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

What IS 'Via DLG Pro..' ????

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From: dtiberio@libws2.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:28:26 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

In article <1992Sep3.232209.4485@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>  4 dealers 
>---------------- * 250 million == 250 dealers
>4 million people
>

	Okay, I calculate 19 dealers for a population of 12 million, which is 
a ratio of 1.6. And since the US population is probably more like 265 million,
265 * 1.6 = 424 dealers.

>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------

	The other 174 dealers are located in the town, or shall I say
small intersection at Morgan Road and Route 31, of Euclid, New York,
behind that big pink and blue hotel/restaurant.



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Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:09:11 EST
 <1992Aug10.205532.3070@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> <1992Aug11.185853.22855@ctr.columbia.edu> <BtM61A.Bs@starnine.com>
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <BtM61A.Bs@starnine.com>, mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
> 
> Lessee... OS/2 has VM & MP.

	Most computer books I have read consider VM a last resort.  Why?
	It is slow.  It was necessary because of the 640K limit on DOS.
	Even extended and expanded memory won't help, because you can only
	store data.  In the MS-DOS world you have 4 kludges to get around
	lack of flat memory model: VM, extended memory, expanded memory,
	and overlays.

> 
> Recently, I had to change some hardware in my PC at work.  What a pain!
> 
> Lessee... My DOS 5.0 only installs from drive it came on
> 3.5" disks!  And I've got 5.25"!  Got to install a 3.5"...oops...

	I don't know why people keep complaining about this, all you need
	to do is use the subst command.  I will look it up for you:

	subst a: b:\                                              

> have to make it A:, so I have to switch floppy cables.  Oh yeah,
> don't forget to run config at boot up, so I can tell DOS what I did.
> (can't figure ANYTHING out on it's own, e.
Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization. My opinions only **
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams)
Subject: Re: OS/2 vs. AmigaOS 
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 03:33:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.003212.13913@endicor.com> tsarna@endicor.com (Ty Sarna) writes:
>OS/2 provides all sorts of different IPC mechanisms.  The Amiga OS
>provides one.  OS/2 gives the programmer the choice of the best
>mechanism for his needs, while the Amiga programmer has to roll his own
>if he wants something different.  The Amiga only has one base system on
>which others can be built and is thuss lean and mean, while OS/2 is
>bloated a little by throwing in everything.  OS/2 only has one
>implementation of a specific form of IPC, while everytime the Amiga
>programmer wants an implementation there's yet another one written.  

The Amiga is lacking in IPC mechanisms.  It doesn't have enough
support for multi-threaded applications, which is probably why we
haven't seen too many of them.

>The Amiga programmer isn't bewildered by all the choices everytime he
>reaches for the OS manual, while the OS/2 novice might well be.  And so
>forth...  

I don't like the argument much.  Any decent programmer can
run through a list of function calls and find the one they want.

>Ty Sarna				           tsarna@endicor.com

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:02:25 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>> 
>> No.  As much as I don't like using these in my programs, the *only* way to
>> use more than 1MB RAM on an 8086 (or any x86 in Real Mode) is via a software
>> interface such as XMS or EMS.  I would call something a "kludge" if there
>> were a better way of achieving the same goal.  In this case, there isn't.
>> 
>	Now Jerry, you can't decide not to call something a kludge just 
>	because you don't like it.  A kludge is a kludge.
>

Oh, I see.  And you have the divine right to decide what is a kludge and
what isn't, right Fred?.  Later in your article, you admit that you're not
too informed about the architecture.  So please, get informed before you
call it a kludge.

>> 
>> In the 8086 (and Real Mode), segmentation was used only to increase the
>> address space to 1MB without extending the registers beyond 16 bits.  In
>> Protected Mode, however, segmentation serves several additional purposes --
>> a means of protection and address virtualization.  On the 386, Intel did
>
>	Yes I have read about this but I'm not into the architecture end
>	of things enough to appreciate.  I can understand the MP bit, but
>	address virtualization ?  Give me a good example why I need that.
>

The Intel segmentation mechanism, in Protected Mode, provides a simple
way to implement both MP and VM without a paging unit.  OS/2 1.x, which runs
on the 286 and up, does just this.

>Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization,  My opinions only **
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From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Subject: Re: World of CBM, Pasadena
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:57:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.201821.18666@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes: 
>In article <1992Aug26.111855.14717@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>>
>>3) The AA machines aren't ready yet.

(If Jeff Young is some kinda plot to provoke reactions, then it's working)

As you all know, C= (or those who have signed C='s dotted lines) are
leaking information left, right, and middle. I therefore claim to know that
C= has had it's commercial developers on a trip to somewhere in the USA
(don't remember where) where they have been able to test their software on
the new chips. This was supposedly in early summer. I'd say AA is ready.

10 days and counting...


[Hey, how about a session on IRC to spread the good news the 11th?]
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From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Slu Aspiks vs Jeff Young
Date: 31 Aug 92 01:54:44 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <kdarling.715224362@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>Lighten up, Slu!  I don't think too many people take Jeff seriously.

	Yes, but either:

	o Jeff is Serious
        o His scam is quite complex

	I thought he was another 'Slu' fictional character until I read
a couple posts of his that were posted on an atari newsgroup (and crossposted
to rec.games.video) these had nothing to do with Amigas, they just praised
Atari in Jeff's usual bad English.
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From: DonD@cup.portal.com (Don Robert DeCosta)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Amiga No OS?
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:34:12 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug19.065720.22424@uwm.edu> <1992Aug19.171608.17115@ra.msstate.edu>
  <u894776.714264773@bruny> <34547@cbmvax.commodore.com>
  <u894776.714441405@bruny>

>>>Please tell me when the Amiga gets an OS, i bought mine in 1986
>>>and am still waiting for an OS.
>

	[Ton's of drivel deleted]
	
You know, if you had spent money on an IBM or Mac in 1986 instead of an Amiga
you couldn't even buy a stupid shoot em up game for your computer.

   Latest game offerings:
	"12mhz 286 or better recommended" (couldn't buy one of these in 1986)
	
	"1 meg Required"                  (Can't cram a Meg into that 1986
					   Fat Mac)
					   
	"Apple ][gs required"             (Couldn't buy one yet in 1986 and 
					   can't buy one anymore today!)
					   
Come on!! The Amiga 1000 is the best supported 6 year old computer in existence
!

Don DeCosta           |The nice thing about sanity is|  VM/Nomad2
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