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From: wwxiong@champ.ksu.ksu.edu (Weize Wade Xiong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What  can we learn from this asia cup?
Date: 10 Nov 1992 15:32:49 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: champ.ksu.ksu.edu


I think the reason China don't have any foreign players is not just the money 
problem. There are many other issuses. One thing is that China don't
have a Club system like most other nations have. The teams are runned by the 
state. A native Beijing player is not allowed to play for other cities how can a
foreigner be allowed.

The other reason is the level of Chinese Division one is very low. No foreign
will be interested in playing for any of the team. This has to do with the
National team system. By taking out Key players from the local team. The division
one matches can attrack evry few funs.

But next year 5 football clubs will be formed. (I think that is the correct
number) I hope some of the rich club like GuangZhou-WanBo will be able to get
some former Soviet players, or some other Eastern Eurpean players.

HongKong will be a big pluse to the Team-China in the 2002 world cup.

I think the football system reform is under way. And I hope that will give Chinese
football a boost.

Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.rights.human,soc.culture.indian
From: phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng)
Subject: Re: Demonstrate on Foreign Land Against Their Country
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 03:16:26 GMT

In article <4NOV199210564104@utkvx2.utk.edu> xic@utkvx2.utk.edu writes:
>.......
>My question is  what does Goerge Bush think about the demonstration of
>the Chinese Student in USA which is against the Chinese Government.  What
>is called a demonstration against a country.  I know there are some 
>difference between the demonstrations Bill Clinton participated and ours.
>But, somethings were common.  1. The government was wrong. Vietnam war
>was a bitter memory for most of American, and I know your feeling about the
>Beijing government.  2. The safty of the demonstration inside the country
>was not guaranteed.   Nobody will forget TianAnMen Square, and most people
>still remember what happened at the Kent University, Ohio.  
>
>I am not a politician, so that I can not find a good explaination to it.
>I would like to hear your idea.   
>
There is nothing wrong to demonstrate one's opinions against the
government in his own or other countries.  Everyone has his right to
show his opinions, no matter how ridicules his opinions are.  But I want
to ask you several questions:

1)  Did Bill Clinton ask Soviet Union or any country to punish USA ?

2)  Did Bill Clinton ask foreign political force to support him or his
    organisation for practising his ideas in USA ?

3)  Does the Democratic party in USA accept members of non-American
    citizens ? 


J Su


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wnf_222@iowa.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Our Letter to CND-CM:  a reply to cm9211z1(2).gb
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:19:39 GMT
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa


Dear CND-CM editor:

    We were deeply disturbed by Liu Yujian's article in your special
HXWZ supplement. In that article, the author distorted the facts, misquoted
other people's words, stretched-out hearsay, and, more over, made up
a theory out of his own speculation.

    A year ago, we the Chinese students here were in a shocking and
overwhelming situation after the tragic event. We wanted the world to know
what we felt and thought, and we hoped to present a fair and clear picture
of what had happened. It was at that time, Mr. Liu Yujian, a self-claimed
journalist and a resident in New York, came to Iowa City to conduct his
interviews with us. Some of us refused to talk to him soon after, because he
kept asking strongly biased questions, persistently tried to lure us into
his prejudgment, and were interested only to the stuff that he believed
in. Those of us who did talk to him spent quit a few hours trying  to
present him complete facts.   However, we are shocked and outraged to
find out that Mr. Liu's story is in a completely different tone from what we
had told him before.

    As CND-CM readers, and, in particular, as all of us whose names were
mentioned either directly or indirectly in that article, we have to question
the author's intention and the consequences of his article. When he was using
all those glorious and pathetic adjectives in the strongly biased one-sided
way to balloon up his story, did he ever have a single bit of sympathy to the
real victims in his mind?! If the author wants to convey his own personal
speculation, he might do so by writing a novel. However, to write a false
fiction under the disguise of a "special investigative report" is outside the
responsible journalism.   This kind of article can only blur and confuse
the public's perception about the incident. Also we have to state our strong
objections to Liu's description about the Department of Physics and Astronomy
and the Chinese community in Iowa City.

    The anniversary of last year's tragedy is a sad and somber occasion.
If CND-CM would like to commemorate it, we believe you should present the
truthful stories under your discretion, or carry out sincere discussions
from both sides of views. A simple "disclaimer" in front of such a strongly
biased false account is not enough to offset the detrimental consequences.

        Signed:

        An, Tao
        Feng, Wei
        Ji, Bing
        Wang, Ji-Gen
        Department of Physics and Astronomy
        The University of Iowa

        Li, Xin
        Song, Bin
        Xue, Shan
        were at (in 1991):   Department of Physics and Astronomy
                             The University of Iowa

        Gao, Qinglin
        Chairperson of FACSS at The University of Iowa  in 1991

P.S.:   Another student, metioned as Mr. X in Mr. Liu Yujian's article, also 
agrees with the content  of this letter.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: tianshan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tianshan Hu)
Subject: insurrance
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 19:09:51 GMT


A friend of mine is coming to the U.S.. He would like to have 
helth insurrance as a temporary visitor. I have tried to find
an insurrance company which provides helth insurrance for 
visitor's visa holders, but was not fruitful. I would appreciate
very much if someone can give me any clue.
  Please e-mail tianshan@gn.ecn.purdue.edu, if you have got any
suggestion.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,)
Subject: Re: I love the Fall of Ithaca! ...
Originator: xiaobiao@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 04:37:49 GMT

From article <9266@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, by kzest+@pitt.edu (Ke Zeng):
> In article <1992Nov7.011524.4095@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov6.232859.21510@chpc.utexas.edu> byab345@chpc.utexas.edu (Da Kuang) writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov6.213847.14048@msc.cornell.edu> xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,) writes:
>>>>(   I--------tha--------ca   )   (  's  )  (  Fall  )
>>[deleted]
>>
>>So tell us about the Fall of Ithaca, how good is it?
>>
> 	I have been there once. I guess that must be one of the most
> beatiful compusses in U.S. (perhaps in the world).
	  (campuses)

Wow!  You make me so happy!  I should have taken more pictures and let more 
friends share the beauty of Nature.  Thank you.
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Voting Rights
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:50:48 GMT


Who have voting rights in the US? Can people who have green cards
vote in US elections? If one really wants to exercise his/her voting
rights, can he/she arrange to vote in Chinese elections in the district
where he/she came from?

Fan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:19:56 GMT

In article <Bx9vFC.JDq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.113738.3917@ms.uky.edu> gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li) writes:
>
>>You know what, I feel a little shamed that Chinese don't have the right as
>>someone else to march into the country which dare to sale drug to China and
>>capture their President and put him in to the court! I mean it!
>>DARE YOU SAY THE SAME HONESTLY?
>
>Is this a challenge? Then you certainly have underestimated my
>expressiveness. But unfortunately, I don't want to say it. I don't
>care, it has nothing to do with me. I only say things I feel.
>
>By the way, does China know any neighbouring country's President
>who is involved in drug exporting business? If that is the case, at
>least China should protest. Else, shame on China. I mean it!
>
>

The whole thing about the US invasion of Panama was that even if FBI/CIA
had evidence that Noriega(sp?) was involved in drug dealing, it should be
up to an international independent body(such as the world court in Hague)
to examine the evidence and decide what to do next. What happened was
just like if you had a dispute with your neighbour and you walked into
his home and shot him. The difference was the US got away with it and you
can't.(what a world!)

Yes, China should protest if the hypothetical senario happens. But anything
more than that, like what the US did, will be a shame on China.

Fan

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zhangn@columbine.egr.uh.edu (Zhang)
Subject: Re: CEDIT30 - A Chinese Word Processor
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:56:43 GMT

In article <17291@pitt.UUCP> ding@cs.pitt.edu (Yijun Ding) writes:
> 
> I have uploaded cedit30.exe.  To download,
> 
> ftp cs.pitt.edu
> name: anonymous
> password: guest
> tenex                  (or binary - set binary mode on unix)
> cd pub
> cd incoming
> get cedit30.exe
> 
> -- Yijun
> 
>                           WHAT IS CEDIT
> 
> "CEDIT is a very easy to use mouse based Chinese word processor.
> This is its first release as a shareware product.  The current
> version can be used to write a mixture of Chinese, English,
> Japanese and Russian, and print on EPSON/IBM/HPJET compatible
> printers.
> 
> CEDIT is distinctly different from all other Chinese word
> processors by its unique mouse based input method.  Anyone who has
> some knowledge of pin1yin1 should be able to use the sofeware
> immediately after reading this document.  CEDIT will help you to
> learn pin1yin1 as well... "
It is not working on my NeXT workstation.  I need more help

jnz
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xen@ccs.northeastern.edu 
Subject: Classmates from Beijing Jing-Shan School
Originator: xen@sun450a.ccs.northeastern.edu
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:50:41 GMT


Looking for friends from Beijing Jing-Shan School.

Class 1-5(1973-77)
Class 6-8(1978-80)

--X.H. EN
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: math1pf@elroy.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Subject: Re: Good Good Study, Day Day Up!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:22:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.123956.16990@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes...
>In article <1992Nov10.034636.5445@msc.cornell.edu> xiaobiao@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (X(b)Z,408A Thurston Hall,59155,) writes:
>>From article <9NOV199218202894@elroy.uh.edu>, by math1pf@elroy.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping):
>>>>>(deleted stuff)
>>> (deleted stuff)
>>> 
>>>    How about this joke : A female Chinese officer went with her interpretor
>>> to an airport to greet an American visitor. 
>>> When they met,the American said: "Oh,Miss ***,you are so beautiful !"  
>>> She responded with a typical Chinese modesty :" Na3 Li3, Na3 Li3 "
>>> But the interpretor translated it like this: "Where, where ?"
>>
>>You haven't told the whole story. -- The visitor finally had to reply: 
>>"Everywhere!  Everywhere!"
>>-- 
>I can't believe that people are still telling this joke. It's been around
>since probably the Qing dynasty or before and everyone has heard it at
>least a million times, probably more like two or three million times...
> 
>Mark
> 
> 
How many times have you heard stories of Shui3 Hu3 ?
Good jokes last for ever.
From: zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:59:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov10.165949.22334
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <BxHBHs.706@cs.psu.edu> echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.002633.10452@news.acns.nwu.edu> zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
>
>>  Anyway, if someone could tell me how IFCSS election works, I might like to
>>cast a vote next time.  
>
>	Or you might not have the chance.  (Prof. Xiaolin Li would say
>you might not have the voting right. :-)).
>
>	Here is basically how it works, as I understand it.  IFCSS assumes
>that every LianYiHui in each school here as its member (although there
>are preconditions in IFCSS Charter but they are never enforced).
>So each year at the election time, IFCSS would invite the presidents
>of these LianYiHui's to attend its annual congress.  In case the
>president is not interested, he/she can freely appoint someone to
>attend.  Each school can send, in this way, two representatives but
>only has one vote.  They vote everything on the congress.
>
>	There are about 100 schools attending the congress.  Most
>your-average-ordinary-CSS-on-campus do not know who the representatives
>are or how they had voted, if at all.  IFCSS continues to refuse 
>releasing the name list of these delegates (for fearing CCP).
>
>	Because IFCSS assumes every LianYiHui is its member, it is
>safe for it to claim representing 50K CSS in this country.  So far
>I have not seen a successful case in which a CSS can establish
>his/her non-IFCSS status, although quite a few tried loudly.  On
>the other hand, you have to be your LYH president or his/her 
>friend in order to obtain your voting right.  
>
>
>	 Eddie


  All these sound famaliar to me.  Isn't it how CHINESE election works?
It has 'rubberstamp' written all over.


  Brian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hua@engin.umich.edu (CHONGYU HUA)
Subject: RE: good good study, day day up
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 11:11:28 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


   

-------------------
Here is a real one:  
-------------------

An American friend of mine went to China last year.
In the Summer Palace in Beijing, he met a very nice
Chinese guy and they talked a while.  Here's part of
their dialog I was told:

"Do you come to the Summer Palace quite often ?"
"Oh, yes. I come here almost every day."
"How come ?"
"By Bus."







Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Fan Yu)
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 02:28:28 GMT

In article <BxBKIG.8rH@acsu.buffalo.edu> ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu Wei) writes:
>
>I just read the current Chinese Magazine (CND-CM) cm9210z.  There is only one
>long article about the bloody Halloween last year at University of Iowa.  It is
>a very worthy article.
>
>It was the first time I know so many details about the event.  If you havn't
>seen it yet, you'd better get the CND-CM to read it.
>
>I think it can be a new topic to discuss.
>

After reading the article, I felt sorry for Lu Gang. I don't know how much of
the article is true. The only thing I know, is that there are all kinds of
dark sides in academia as well. Recently a similar incident happened at
Concordia University in Montreal, where an associate professor shot several
senior faculty members in the engineering department. It was reported in
McLeans(the Canadian equivalent of Time) that before this happened, he was
accusing several people, including a professor who is the dean of the grad
school, of claiming authorships in papers done solely by other junior
faculty members. He sent electronic mail to thousands of institutions and
individuals to complain and because of this, he was not granted tenure
for the next year, even though he was a renowned researcher in the field
of fracture mechanics and published many valuable papers. The dean in
question, was not shot. His average number of papers every year almost
doubled since he assumed the administrative duties, a very strange pattern
explained by himself as "I come to the dean's office only once a week because
I have five assistants helping me". The school authority of course, flatly
denied all the accusations.

Considering the recent disclosure of the
academic misconduct at Johns Hopkins which led to its president David
Baltimore's resignation and the overhead scandal at many other high-flying
schools, it seems not uncommon that the academic ethics in many places
are in jepardy. The question is, how does one deal with it when it seems
that everything is going against him and he is in a dead end? Lu Gang
and this Russian guy chose guns. What will we do when it comes to us?
I have a classmate who is famous for his "Yi1 Ge4 Da3 Ba1 Ge4"(one against
eight) spirit(Bu1 Yao4 Min4). Maybe we should follow these two and fight till
the end.

I don't hate Lu Gang, I have only sorrow for him. Hope this will never happen
to one of us again.

Fan
From: pi@spica.bu.edu (GARMARHARD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Passport to Crime -- news report from Canada
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:22:45 GMT
Organization: Yangtz Riverside
In-reply-to: xyang@bcars279.UUCP's message of 11 Nov 92 18:43:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.184328.27943@bnr.ca> xyang@bcars279.UUCP (Sherry Yang) writes:

>   ...
>   ------------------------------------------------------------
>   "Police call the Big Circle Boys -- Chinese gangs -- the most
>   significant development in Canadian crime. All came here as
>   refugee claimants from mainland China"
>   ------------------------------------------------------------
>   ...
>
>   The BCB are also known to reap big profits from production and
>   world-wide distribution of "almost perfect" counterfeit gold
>   or platinum credit cards using information supplied by
>   corrupt employees of major hotels in Hong Kong and elsewhere.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   ...

In this so called "news report" of more than a hundred lines of message, 
only the last line of the above mentioned about the Hong Kong criminals. 
I wonder how the BCBs got on the plane at Hong Kong airport without the 
Hong Kong criminals or gangs' help. I wonder how BCBs can get into and
live in Hong Kong without Hong Kong gangs help. It would be more complete
if this report could emphasize on how the Hong Kong criminals play the 
role to help BCBs and how much money the Hong Kong gangs have made through 
this dirty business.
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: To Died
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:48:00 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu (Tuya) writes:

>          Those who died already died.  Those who live still live --
>          for what?

>          No one knows, no one did, no one will.             

It is very easy: for the endless move of the universe, a bounch of atoms get
together and cooperate for a while following whoever's law, and those
democratic atoms moving happier. 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:29948 talk.politics.china:2570
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: China's economic struct... an analysis
Date: 8 Nov 92 09:01:53 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <Bx8qn2.CoH@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (achen) writes:
>After Tienamann, and after the hardliners managed to
>consolidate their control of China, China's pre-Tienamann
>economic slide was quickly brought under control.
>The social 'dicipline' imposed by the hardliner's 
>economic policies drastically reversed China's pre-
>Tienamann economic slide.

That's not what happened.

The hardliners were totally unable to push through their economic
program.  They wanted to reimpose central administrative controls on
industry, and failed.  Of the hardliners 31(?) points, not a single
one was adopted.  At a governor's conference in November 1989, the
provincial governors led by Guangdong, made it clear that they were
totally against the hardline economic policy and so these proposals
were dropped.

China's economic problems were solved by curbing the money supply and
triggerring a recession.  This is exactly what capitalist countries do
when they are faced with the same situation.
From: chifang@acsu.buffalo.edu (chi fang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:51:12 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

In article <92310.154551PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> PFCQC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>IFCSS claimed that "on behalf of 50,000 Chinese students" it congratulated
>the president elected. Even only 43% of registered voters voted him, how
>shameless IFCSS claimed all of 50K Chinese students have the same voice ?

What's the congratulation for? because the two share the same "character
problem"? and happily found that they actually can get away with it?
From: XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are you Jealous?
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:29:33 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


 >From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
 >Subject: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
 >Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 03:10:18 GMT
 >
 >
 >As a Chinese, are you jealous to American who have voting right.
 >The huge country, however are only full of slaves whose fate
 >are in the hand of the non-consented few.
 >

            CCP **** secretary said:
            CCP is on behave of chinese people's interest.
            The party is a great, glorious,ever right party.
            We have two strong hands: the right holds democracy,
            the left  centralization. We don't want either hand
            softer or harder than another.

            Notice that unlike Bush,Clinton or Perot, who are
            left handers, the secretary is a right hander.
            He might try to get two hands even. However
            the harder he tries, the harder the right hand fastens.

            Finally he squeezed the democracy into U.S. and
            said: you were a soft ball, you never knew what
            was democracy, you had no substances but your
            mouth, you never knew what chinese people really
            needed, you never tried the medicine you gave to
            others, you didn't play by rule, how can you
            bring others rule?

            For democracy for democracy sake, for vote
            for vote sake, for power for power sake,
            for n for n sake,....
            What a pity!

 >What a misery!
 >
 >Shame on you, Chinese!

             Shame on you, Mr.secretory and D-fighters!