From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Subject: Re: Can Colorado discriminate against straights?
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:26:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.232208.23850@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:
>In article <Nov11.195024.69810@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> doug@crevasse.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (Doug Cripe) writes:
>>
>>>We can't serve in the military.  
>>
>>General Collin Powell said in a recent interview with Barbara Walters that  
>  [stuff about how the general doesn't want gays in the military deleted]
>>The problem is you want government sanction of your lifestyle, and the  
>>majority of Americans won't stand for that.


Why does America support ports of call?  All the prostitution?  All
the am-asian kids that some sevrvice men left conveinantly behind
in Indo-China?  Why do Americans accept this life style which is
promoted by the military?

>>>We can't marry our partners. 


It use to be illegal (and socially in some places still is illegal)
to have racially mixed marriages.  

>>
>>Do you think it is sheer coincidence that no civilized nation on this  
>>planet includes homosexuality in the definition of marriage?  Marriage,  
>>from time immemorial, has always been defined as the joining of a man and  
>>a woman, forming the basic family unit.  

Marraige was set up as an legal document to prove that the man
owned that woman.  Property rights!


>
>    "Time immemorial", huh?  Hate to break the news, but there is a large
>body of evidence, about to be published by an historian at Yale, that the
>ceremony for same-sex marraige not only exists in Catholic law, but
>pre-dates that for opposite-sex unions.  Strangely, the church prefers not
>to acknowledge the existance of these vows...
>    "Basic family unit"??  Says who...you and J. Danforth Quayle?
>
>>>We aren't covered by inheritance laws.  
>>
>>Of course not.  Inheritance again is defined in terms of family bloodlines  
>>the world over.  I can just imagine the chaos that would ensue when Bill,  
>>who was Bob's lover for 3 months, not to mention Bob's 100 other lovers,  
>>starts trying to make inheritance claims after Bob passes on. 


Hell it still works for Micky Rooney and Elizabeth Taylor who are quickly
approaching ten marriages each....As far as I can see there is no
respect for marraige out there by the majority of heterosexuals.

>
>    Prejudicial, stereotypical drivel concerning gays' number of partners.
>
>>>We don't get visitation rights when our partners are hospitalized.
>>
>>Here, I'll agree with you that this isn't right, although I can't imagine  
>>under what circumstances this would happen.

You are an ignorant ass!  It is happening all around you pompus ass!!!!

>
>    You don't need to imagine, m'boy.  Visitation rights are routinely
>denied to same-sex partners when the orders are for "family only".
>
>>>We can't adopt children.  
>>
>>Nor should this ever come about, in light of the fact that study after  
>>study after study has shown that children need parents of BOTH genders to  
>>grow up well-adjusted.


Wrong.  Most kids never really did have a dad.  Always gone working.  


>
>    Name three studies, please.  I'll wait.


Please do!  And please qualify each study.

>
>>> And what is it with straight boys and sodomy, anyway?  Why
>>> do they obsess about it so?  And why do they consider it
>>> a "homosexual" practice, when straight couples do it all the
>>> time? 
>>
>>What is it??? If you don't find inserting your penis where excrement comes  
>>from disgusting, then I doubt you are capable of finding anything  
>>repulsive.

And a vagina doesn't excrete?  What a neat trick!

  Moral  questions and health aside, even a cursory exam of  
>>human anatomy shows the "plumbing" is such that a man was meant for a  
>>woman.

If you look, next time you are with a woman, look and
see just where the anus is located.  You really would be 
surprised by the vast array of comfortable postitions there are.

 The anus, if you hadn't noticed, has a specific function and when  
>>it is abused you see the result of how quickly diseases are spread.

Well we have been fucking ass for as long as there have been humans
on this planet, and this "disease" you are hinting about has only been
around for little over a decade.  

  And  
>>how would you know what straight couples do?  I doubt they "do it all the  
>>time." 

Studies.  We can read too!

 I even doubt the majority of them do it some of the time.  None of  
>>my married friends (at least the ones who are frank enough to talk about  
>>their sexual practices) admit to doing it. 
>

That admit word is so big isn't it?  How many of your married heterosexuals
admit to raping their daughters and sons?  Bet they don't bring that
one up either, even though that seems to be a fairly popular family
game in those breeder households.


>    I am not at all surprised by this last statement.  You seem to be the
>type that considers anything outside of missionary-position pumping for 25
>seconds to be perverse.  
>
>>I doubt that I am responsibile for your unhappiness, or that I'm really  
>>even capable of keeping you from living the life you choose.  I have no  
>>problem working with homosexuals as long as they keep their affairs to  
>>themselves (as I will mine).  But do not expect me to just roll over and  
>>accept the homosexual community's attempt to redefine laws or seek  
>>protected status.
>

We are asking that the laws which are already clear are used!


>    No, not you, but the large collection of those who think like you, in
>addition to you, have amply demonstrated your ability to discriminate
>against us.
> 
>
>-- 
>   ******************************************************************
>     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
>     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 


Boy mark you really are an embarresment.  This spring L.C. will be 
offering a course on homosexuality.  Maybe you might want to join
in and learn something.

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