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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Subject: Re: Marsee Ratings & Predictions for 8/29/92
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:42:44 GMT
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In <1992Aug26.064659.4370@newstand.syr.edu> demarsee@rodan.acs.syr.edu writes:

> OK folks ... it's that time again ... here are the Marsee computer ratings for 
> the preseason (which are based on last season's final ratings), plus predictions
> for the week ending 8/29/92.
> 
>    THE MARSEE I-A PRE-SEASON COLLEGE FOOTBALL RANKINGS FOR THE 1992 SEASON
> 
>        (Power ratings in parenthesis - ties broken by defensive rating)
> 
>   9. STANFORD       (676)  
>  10. TEXAS A&M      (669)  
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>      THE MARSEE I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL PREDICTIONS FOR WEEKEND OF 08/29/92
>                           Note:  Home Team In CAPS
>                   stanford       over texas a&m      by   1
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  Well, scratch that ratings system.

  <clears throat>  

  I say there, woof.  Woof woof.


Jammer Jim '89 & '91 TAMU
From: pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vince Rhee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: AP Preseason Poll
Date: 23 Aug 92 23:19:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Chocaholics Anonymous


Here is the 1992 Associated Press preseason college football poll,
as reported in Sunday's _Houston Chronicle_:


 1. Miami	(40)
 2. Washington	(12)
 3. Notre Dame	( 6)
 4. Florida
 5. Fla. St.	( 1)
 6. Michigan	( 1)
 7. Texas A&M	( 1)
 8. Penn St.
 9. Alabama	( 1)
10. Syracuse
11. Nebraska
12. Colorado
13. Clemson
14. Georgia
15. Oklahoma
16. Iowa
17. Stanford
18. UCLA
19. Ohio St.
20. California
21. Tennessee
22. Miss. St.
23. Ga. Tech
24. BYU
25. Texas


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From: trice@bnr.ca (Tony Rice P885)
Subject: Re: Why so many Va Tech woofers?
Reply-To: trice@bnr.ca
Organization: BNR, Inc. Research Triangle Park, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 19:39:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.163735.11285@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
|> O give it up, man. Ive been in Virginia 5 years, and in that time Virginia 
|> has risen from the depths of patheticness to being at least a decent, top 25
|> type team, while Tech has continued to wallow in total mediocrity. Is this
|> one blowout of Virginia going to be Techs highlight film for the 90s?

Tech doesn't center its whole philosophy around a football team though, unlike
UVa.  Maybe this will be the highlight film for the 90s, remember my first 
point: the "mediocre" Tech team beat the "big-bad #1" team in the nation
despite being slated to loose big.  It was nice to see cocky folks in Orange
and Blue leave with their collective heads hung low. 
Yeah, yeah, I know . . .  Tech isn't the first team to do this and wont be 
the last.

|> WHY SO MANY TECH WOOFERS?!?!? Not that UVa is a great team, but Tech sucks.

I wouldn't say they suck since they had twice+ as many NFL draft picks this past
season than UVa.

|> Sure Virginia didnt deserve to be #1 in 1990, but has Tech deserved to be
|> higher than #50 any time recently?

See above comment.  Tech must be doing something right.

|> I mean, this is a school where 6-5 is cause fro ecstatic celebration.
                                                ^
                                                |___ (sp?)
No, beating your rival is cause though.

|> Oh, and by the way, what was the score in 91 when UVA played Tech?

UVa beat Tech, I don't remember the score.

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From: bkowal@aludra.usc.edu (Brian A. Kowal)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: NOTRE DAME INVESTIGATION!!!
Date: 27 Aug 1992 17:08:32 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Notre Dame being investigated for possible violations....  gee how
suprising... I guess Lou Holtz is getting old... or NBC goofed up on
handling the check.

Fight On!
Brian


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From: pokey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vince Rhee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Heisman Criteria
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:13:07 GMT
Organization: 1992-Beat-The-Hell-Outta-Everyone Aggies of Texas A&M

Our own al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo) states :
>
>Heisman winners have had a terrible record recently in Bowl games.
>I wonder if it is because their opponents are pumped up to put
>what they believe is an overrated media child in his place.
>
>1990: Texas A & M 52 BYU 14. Detmer is knocked out of the game, but not
>before throwing a few interceptions. Just hours after he won the Heisman
>Detmer's favored BYU squad is routed by Hawaii 59-28 with Ty tossing
>four completions to the wrong side.

	Ahem...the score was 65-14, A&M...

>1987: Tim Brown and Notre Dame are ruined by an underdog A & M team.
>1985: Bo Jackson's Auburn Tigers are upset in the cotton bowl. 

	Hmmm, I wonder what the common thread with these three
	Heisman "winners" is...let me see, what could it be? :-)

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From: kmartin@sedist.cray.com (Ken Martin)
Subject: Auburn questions
Date: 25 Aug 92 13:45:41 CDT



Organization: Cray Research, Inc.


I would like a response from current Auburn students or anyone that 
follows Auburn football on a few questions that I find myself wondering 
about at the beginning of the new season:

*  Do we have many returning players from last year, and if so, will it 
   help?
*  Is Stan White finally going to produce for us this year?
*  What's the story on the #1 high school running back from South Carolina 
   that Auburn recruited?  Is he supposed to contribute this year, or is he 
   on probation or something?
*  How effective will Randy Campbell be as quarterback coach given that he 
   played for AU when we had a wishbone attack?  Are we still going to run 
   the "I" formation?
*  Has Pat Dye gotten back to his old self after the stress of last year?  
   Will he be able to do a good job?
*  What is the latest on the Eric Ramsey crap?  NCAA investigation or 
   not--and when?

Any other news or interesting facts about this year's team would be 
appreciated.

Ken Martin

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Cray Research, Inc. 
Atlanta Sales Office
Phone:  (404) 631-2244
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From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (Danhua Newton Nguyen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: To all rabid Aggie fans
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:52:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

>> You should thank the Longhorns for taking away a coach that threatens
>> the Wolverine in the BIg 10/11.
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Kick Off Classic
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:51:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.012155.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra) writes:

>... Miami is much better than quality football, and Iowa will be stunned
>to see it next week.

Huh?
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: More ASU troubles
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:29:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep2.172950.10676
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Heard on the late news last night that the Arizona State University 
administration had suspended 10 players including the starting QB and one
of the starting LB's for this Saturday's game against Washington.  The
word was that they suspended them as an example due to problems with the
law that the football players had had during the past year.  If this 
report is true and Jr. quarterback Bret Powers has left school, it would
mean that a pure freshman would take over the reins of the Sun Devil
offense this Saturday.

Ralph--got any more details?

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Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: lswan@ucsd.edu (Swan, Lyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Shameless OU woof
Date: 4 Sep 1992 20:53:55 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: card3.ucsd.edu

In article <9209041917.AA22885@dseg.ti.com> noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:
>From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
>Subject: Re: Shameless OU woof
>Date: 4 Sep 92 19:17:48 GMT

>In article <1992Sep4.142655.27936@spdc.ti.com>,
>dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) writes:

>>Woof.
>>
>>    OOOO                                                        
>>   O    O                                         |   Bill Dostalik
>>   O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            |                
>>   O  U O  U  National College Football Champions |  
>>    OOOO   U     1950 1955 1956 1974 1975 1985    |  dostalik@utdallas.edu  
>>      U    U                                      | 
>>       UUUU        Cale Gundy for Heisman.        |  "Oh, yeah?"  "Yeah."

>To which I respond:



>Woof, woof.

>  N     N                                                      
>DDNNDDDDDD                                      |     Mike Noonan
>D N N   N D       Notre Dame Fightin' Irish     |                
>D N  N  N D  National College Football Champions|  
>D N   N N D   '24'29'30'43'46'47'49'66'73'77'88 |   noonan@dseg.ti.com
>DDNDDDDDDD                                      | 
>  N     N         Mirer/Bettis for Heisman.     |      "Uh huh!"
>                   -----------------------
And I add a huge "meow"!  Almost got my old flute out & played Boomer Sooner
during the game.  

Lyn - OU Class of ?? (Bud Wilkinson days)
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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Bill Dooley Quits
Keywords: may he rot in hell...
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 15:30:27 GMT

In article <BtnBwL.Cx8@news.larc.nasa.gov>, mln@sunkj.larc.nasa.gov (Michael L Nelson) writes:
|> 
|> "wild" Bill Dooley announced that this year will be his last at Wake Forest
|> and will probably be getting out of coaching...
            ^^^^^^^^
Actually Mike, from what I read, he's definately getting out of coaching.

|> he actually said "I never left a program in worst shape then how
|> I found it..."
|> 
|> Frank Beamer, myself, and I'm sure all other Va Tech fans would
|> disagree...

Yeah, I read the same thing and just shook my head as well.  I'm sure
Bill is only thinking in terms of W's and L's and bowl appearances (3
during his coaching term), in which case he did give Virginia Tech's 
program more success than it had previously experienced.

However, Bill definately left our football program (and athletic programs
too) in much worse shape than when he found it from the numbers games he 
played with football scholarships that resulted in NCAA probation, and 
his total disregard for non-revenue sports as an athletic director 
(a position many felt he was abysmal at).  The probation (and all the bad 
in-state press that comes with it) and scholarship reductions our football 
team suffered during Frank Beamer's first two years (2-9 and 3-8, BTW) makes 
Bill's statement the other day a joke.

As long as Bill isn't leaving coaching to become an AD somewhere, I think 
he's doing the right thing.

-- 

Kevin H. Klinge
Bell Communications Research
kevink@soac.bellcore.com

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From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big Ten Prognostication
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:23:40 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <Bu0nJ7.ILD@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>1.	Michigan	10-1	8-0	(No question here)
>2.	Illinois	 9-2	6-2	(Easy schedule for Tepper)
>3.	Ohio State	 8-3	6-2	(Nice year in Columbus)

What is the Illinois schedule?  Don't they play Michigan and OSU?
Also, what happened to Michigan State last year (especially their
usually awesome defense) and will whatever happened repeat itself?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: zcjm0f@wwnv42.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: ATM Graduation Rates
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:09:36 GMT

>> >I opened up my Sports Illustrated last night and noticed an article
>> >regarding graduation rates of the football teams. The article
>> >dinged the SWC as a whole (except for Rice). I think that ATM's
>> >rate was about 24%, while Stanford and CAL were in the high 70s.
>> >
>> >I was not surprised by this, since there were no Aggies out there
>> >who could respond with a Stanford joke after I told an Aggie joke
>> >last week. I predict that ATM's graduation rate could even
>> >fall below 20% this year after Stanford gets through roughing them 
>> >up this month.
>> >
>> How about putting the qualifier in here...  That rate shows the number
>> of players that graduate in 4 years from A&M, not the number of players
>> that graduate period.  I am sorry to have to inform you that A&M is not
>> a private school that just hands its diplomas out.  Any student that 
>> graduates in 4 years or less currently at A&M is doing well, considering
>> some of the majors are in the excess of 140 hours to graduate.
>> 
>> cmuck
>
>  Good point.  *I* got out in 4, but I also took 4 summer sessions to pull it
>off. 4-year grads are a minority.  Hmmmm, maybe I could apply for Federal
>assistance! [really big :-)!]
>
I kinda flew off the handle yesterday on this one...  but it just irks me
to see this kind of stuff.  What really irks me is the Texas Legislature
forcing me as an engineering student to take an additional 9 hours of 
liberal arts to "round out my education"; thus totalling my degree plan
to 170+ hours (double aerospace/computing science), so I just went to 
ET.  I would like to see some of these liberal arts panty wastes round
out their education with fluid dynamics, electricity and magnetism, and
maybe some vector field analysis...  hell, lets make it easy on them, 
make them take *a* calculus course...   

RC has done a really good job in his efforts to get his players degrees. 
Yes, A&M is a very large public school, with a large number of alumni, 
and lots of faculty and staff (lots of room for cheating) and most of the
same problems of the other large universities.  But lets face it, your
education is what *YOU* make out of it.  Going to one school or another
is not going to make you successful, *YOU* are going to make you 
successful; and if you think otherwise, then you should probably take a
long look in the mirror at yourself and see what you have become.

cmuck

ps-  if we get outscored by the trees, I will never hear the end of it...
From: jpd@austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Pigskin Classic
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:15:56 GMT
Organization: "Personal Systems Programming, IBM Austin"
Originator: jpd@beany.austin.ibm.com


In article <1992Aug28.194654.19981@ods.com>, richard@ods.com (Richard Thompson) writes:
> Michael Noonan (noonan@icd3) wrote:
> : :
> : : Stanford that couldn't get a first down until *after* A&M had scored?
> : : What makes you think they would have gotten anywhere if the call
> : : had gone the other way?
> : 
> : They would have gotten fifteen yards.  I think that would have helped
> : a little, don't you think.  I don't remember the yards to go, but I
> : think that would have given them a first down and perhaps a little
> : momentum.
>  
> In college football, pass interference is a 15 yard penalty, if the
> foul occurs 15 yards beyond the line of scrimmage (or further).
> Otherwise, the ball is placed at the spot of the foul, and the
> offense is given an automatic first down.  On the play in question,
> Stanford would have gotten a first down at the spot of the foul, which
> would have netted the Cardinal about 2-3 yards, IF pass interference
> had been called.  IMO, the db for A&M made an outstanding play on the 
> ball, and the ref was correct in not making a call. However, the ref
> should have called the pass incomplete (obviously).     
> -- 
> Richard Thompson
> richard@ods.com 

Just a comment about whether the BUM interception call was the difference in
the TAMU/Stanford game or not.  The thing that everyone is overlooking is 
that Stanford not only lost possession and a good chance to score, but they 
lost their chance to PUNT the football.  This was just like giving the aggies 
30 or 40 yards for free.  You can't say that didn't make a big difference. 

Anyway, just a thought.  The aggies won and that's really all that matters now.

Neither an aggie or a Cardinal fan,
JPD
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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Paying athletes
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:18:09 GMT
Keywords: was Erickson,Spurrier,Bowden

In article <67123@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
> I realize that the purpose of rules preventing athletes from working are to
> prevent abuses such the QB getting paid $500 for locking up the gate to the
> practice field or something comparable, but it is bureaucratic nonsense for
> the NCAA not to allow REAL jobs.

It's also nonsense that the NCAA doesn't allow some of the millions upon
millions of dollars that they make off its athletes to go back to the
athletes.  Yes, the athletes can get an education, but no education in
the world would allow you to earn the kind of money that the NCAA, the
Universities, the coaches, and television is making off them.

And before somebody even thinks about posting that a free college
education is more than enough for the athletes because non-athletic
students would do just about anything for a free college education,
save it.  The non-athlete doesn't pack 100,000 seat stadiums with
money spending patrons nor does he demand CBS to spend one-billion
dollars for sole television rights.  The non-athlete student is
there for an education.  The student athlete is there to make
everybody's wallet alot heavier, except his own.


Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
alux2!jmd

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From: crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: INFO ON TEXAS PRACTICES
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:57:02 GMT

rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) writes:
>paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische) writes:
>>> crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>> >I believe Stanfraud is preseason #3 behind Washington and UCLA, but ahead of
>> >Kal and the Condoms.
>> 
>> 
>> Stanford has been ranked number 2 in the Pac10 by just about everybody.
>
>                                           Cliffie        Bob
>Don Heinrich  Sporting News  Street&Smith  Slauterbeck    Dieckmann
>------------  -------------  ------------  ------------   ----------
>Washington     Washington     Washington   Washington     Pap 10?
>Stanford       UCLA           UCLA         all the rest   Do they have
>California     Stanford       Stanford     Wash State     a contest??
>
No No Bobbie, you got it wrong again!  Washington State isn't on the bottom of
my list, Oregon State is.

PS--Don't call me Cliffie or I won't vote for Rutgers in Bapi's poll next
    week. :-)    (Yeah, that was me--kinda foolish, Neaux?)

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Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 
Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
Seattle, WA 98195             *
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From: sschudt@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Susan E Schudt)
Subject: Re: ND's DuBose Situation
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:37:49 GMT



>In article <la8t4iINN5eg@cronkite> andy@misha.central.sun.com writes:
>>In article 7382@news.nd.edu, rszczerb@schiller.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba
) writes:
>>>
>>Why was he cleared in the car loan ?  Did it not happen ?  It seemed
>>pretty clear,  by the Tribune reports that this was a violation.  DId the
>>NCAA give any indication why he was cleared ?
>
The car loan was from Seattle bank.  According to USA Today, the NCAA found 
nothing wrong with it, and rightly so.  The NCAA wouldn't want to be telling 
banks to whom they can loan their money, would they?  If yes, then all the 
players soon expecting the "big bucks" from the NFL would have to be suspended.
-- 
           Susan E. Schudt                    0 0
     Dept. of Chemical Engineering
      Goooooooooooooooooo  IRISH!           \_____/
             Win Twins!
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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Njan)
Subject: Re: Kickoff classic Iowa-NCSU
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:59:17 GMT

In article <3134.382.uupcb@brent.uucp> al.sorhaindo@brent.uucp (Al Sorhaindo)  writes:
>Prediction: The Big 10 hasn't had a great out of conference record and
>NC state always seems to play everyone tough. NCSU 21-20.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Like they play Virginia?

Iowa by 7.

Njan
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