From: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Subject: Re: WHO OWNS WHO?...or is it whom?...or what?
Reply-To: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:13:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.013913.23702@menudo.uh.edu> 
HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) writes:

>dsh@odin.ece.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:

>> Wait just a second.  Didn't you once claim that most pro-lifers do not
>> agree with Steve Chaney's remarks?  If you're now claiming to be pro- 
>> "choice", then what business do you have saying such a thing?  

> Well, Doug, considering the remarks of Mr. Chaney's that I was responding
> to, I would be shocked to find ANYbody willing to agree with them, much less
> us more reasonable "pro-lifers".  

That isn't the point.  I believe you said that you were pro-life, and that 
most pro-lifers do not agree with Mr. Chaney's views.  Is that not correct?
Now you are saying you're pro-choice.  I don't think you're entitled to 
ostracize Mr. Chaney from the pro-life viewpoint in this manner. 

> I call myself pro-life as much as anti-
> abortion because I think it is wrong.  If you don't like it, feel free to
> call me whatever you want.  I would NOT consider myself to be "pro-choice"
> with all that conveys--I do not pay lip service to my anti-abortionism.
> If you must, then say I am "not anti-choice", at least not altogether.  I
> support Roe, even if I do not like it especially.

It sounds to me that you really haven't made up your mind.  Take your
time, there's no rush.  There are a lot of things that I haven't
decided either.

Don't feel obligated to pick a label to express your views.  I don't have 
a label.  Labels are more trouble than they're worth.

>> And since you're claiming to be pro-"choice", do you support unrestricted 
>> abortion on demand throughout the term of pregnancy?  

> Personally and legally, no.  

Then some people are not going to be happy with your "pro-choice" label.
Look at the way Ms. Bartley was viciously attacked by the more radical
pro-abortionists.  She puts "pro-choice" in her .sig and all the little
pro-abortion ninnys began to complain.  The fact is, Ms. Bartley's views
represent the views of mainstream America -- people don't believe in
unrestricted abortion on demand, like we have today. 

> But abortion is already restricted in the third
> trimester (from a practical standpoint, Dalton be damned), and I would
> go so far as to restrict AFTER viability (which is currently somewhere in 
> mid-twenties, week-wise), which is about the third trimester anyway, and 
> not really changing the status quo all that much.

I think you meant to say "Dolton", not "Dalton".

As I've pointed out before, Roe v. Wade is abortion on demand throughout
the term of pregnancy.  See the thread entitled "The Truth about ...".
I have documentation that I will gladly send to you or anyone else to
support my claim. 

> Somehow, I feel extremists from both sides are not gonna look favorably on
> this post...

I don't particularly care what you call yourself.  But I don't appreciate
your efforts to ostracize Mr. Chaney from the pro-life movement. 

>Jammer Jim Miller 


Doug Holtsinger