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From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Republicans
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:12:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.l9579bINN96s
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <92232.131641IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
|well, i've considered registering republican, although i've
|never done it.  

You might want to think twice about this.  I did it to vote for John
Anderson back in (when the hell did he run, anyway?), and I've been
intermittently getting junk mail from Ronald Reagan ever since.
		 
|		 you see, i don't really care who the
|democrats run.  whoever runs, i'll vote for, as it sure as
|HELL beats the alternative.  

My feeling *exactly*
			      but there is ALWAYS a
|republican that i do NOT want.  so voting in the republican
|primaries, imho, would be a Good Thing.

Not a bad idea, maybe it's time to change to Republican again.

	/JBL
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Robert Bernardo (1952-1992)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 09:51:13 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <92230.231253IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <1992Aug18.080920.24515@reed.edu>

Nelson Minar writes:
>Me, I have no idea what to say.

That's a problem I have too. I spent a lot more time in my early
years learning how to bottle up my feelings than on expressing 
them.... 

Everything I can think of to say sounds hollow, trite, cliched --
or worst of all, condescending.  Especially in the case where
our art director's lover just died, I just have no idea what to
say -- but I'm afraid that saying nothing will send the message I
don't really care, which isn't right either.

-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Gay Republicans
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 22:44:13 GMT

In article <_lfydr#@rpi.edu> buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>Ginny Appuzzo is most DEFINITELY *not* a Republican delegate for anything.
>She is Mario Cuomo's connection to the lesbian and gay political population
>of New York State and ex-head of the National Gay Task Force.

It occurred to me after I posted that there might be
some among us, most likely of the youthful persuasion,
who might not know who Ginny Appuzzo is.  I apologize
for any lack of clarity.

BTW, I hadn't seen her in years 'n years, and she still
looks fabulous.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Presumption
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:03:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University Medical Center

In article <1992Aug12.084730.18875@nwnexus.WA.COM> elf@halcyon.com (Elf
Sternberg) writes:
>   Funny; how can I trust you with MY words when you reserve the right
>to use language in any way you damn well wish?  Until we find an
>acceptable common ground, we cannot communicate.

Of course.

I disagree with your (and Jess') uses of the words, "gay, straight, bisexual
and queer."  

I agree with Romanovsky and Phillips who I quote here from their song, "Give me
a homosexual"

"How straight can they be when they're down on their knees!"

The Fool (i.e. the Court Jester)
From: robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:07:18 GMT
	<l90p0gINN8ml@mizar.usc.edu> <l8ohfjINN595@mizar.usc.edu>
	<#-7mta.jfh@netcom.com> <1992Aug17.231434.13126@microsoft.com>
	<1992Aug20.005350.4551@microsoft.com>
	<1992Aug21.183803.45@micros
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stanford University

In article <vanyel.714434266@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan
Williams) writes:  

   In <1992Aug21.183803.45@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob
   Sarver) writes: 

   >Or to put it another way:  if your Wiccan friends had acted out the
   >negative things that you read in Buckland's book, don't you think you
   >would probably have backed off from Wicca in a real hurry?  How are
   >gays who willingly follow negative stereotypes any different?

   WHO THE FUCK SAYS QUEENS "FOLLOW" ANYTHING, YOU SELF-RIGHTEOUS
   BASTARD?

   CAN'T YOU GET IT THROUGH YOUR OVER-THICK SKULL THAT YOU'RE
   ATTACKING PEOPLE FOR THE WAY THEY *ARE*, JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T
   LIKE THOSE STEREOTYPES?

   ARE YOU *REALLY* THIS DENSE?

Temper, temper.  If you are going to try to teach a pig to sing, you
must expect two things --- a high failure rate, and an irritated pig.
It follows that the attempt shouldn't be taken very seriously.

- Bob (hoping the animal rights people will overlook this outrageous
       abuse of pigs...)
From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: OR-9 text.
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:59:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.41797
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Aug21.150056.9113@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
>
>	You won't ahve to.  While working for a private company would
>be allowed.  The state/gov't wouldn't be allowed to contract with
>a company that has an EE statement inclusive of homosexuals.  This
>of course will hurt us since some places would remove it (and then
>have an easier time firing us), and 9 would then be infiltrating
>the private sector as well.

You are reading too much into this, Bob.  I agree that a lesbian or
gay owned business might not be able to do work with the state, but
companies which include sexual orientation in their EE statement would
not be required to change the EE statement in order to do business with
the state.  By doing business with companies which prohibit discrimination
based on sexual orientation, the state is NOT promoting homosexuality.

>
>>>	I think this also implies that GBLO*-folk can't use state
>>>provided counsel for civil suits or any suit that in any way
>>>has anything to do with the plaintiff's orientation.  In doing so,
>>>the counsel would be using state $$$ to effectively promote/facilitate
>>>homosexuality.
>
>>No.  You still have a guaranteed right to council.
>
>	Yes, but I'm talking only about suits that involve orientation.

Actually, I misread your statement.  Right to council is for *criminal*
cases.  I am unsure as to what rights a plaintiff has to use state funds
in any civil matter.  Maybe someone else could jump in here?  (Tom?)

>	A university could remove any state financial aid it what
>I was getting at.  The idea is of course that all state/local paperwork
>could be amended to ask the question "Are you a homoseuxal?" with 
>the anti-gay fallout occurring as a result of this.

This point is a given.  However, the state could not bar LGB students
attending state schools using non-state monies.

>	Knowingly allowing a group of homoseuxals access to a public space
>would count as "facilitating".  The way the text is worded, it says that
>no lands owned by an Oregon government can be used to promote or facilitate
>homosexuality.  Meaning if we use it, to gather, protest, etc., the law
>has been violated.  The state would have to remove us, or risk a civil suit
>by the OCA for violation of Prop 9.

This is a rat hole, but...

The key here is "..promote or facilitate homosexuality...".  If I and a
friend go to the park to fly kites, we are okay.  If the LGB kite club
of Portland goes to the park for an outing, we are in trouble.  See the
difference?

>That would mean of course all of the events we had for motss.con
>that weren't on private property.

Correct, no con activities at Rooster Rock, for example.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sexual attraction
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 09:45:12 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <64047@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug18.142652.21390@amhux2.amherst.edu>

Tim Pierce writes:
>if you and Larry Stratton made similar borderline-hostile statements,
>I'd probably judge yours to be more aggressive, but the same rule
>would apply if you and BBC made similar comments.

Why is that?

>Ah.  Now was that "when a Bear-lover such as yourself made such a
>comment," or "when someone with a history of posts as fiery and
>indignant as yours made such a comment?" :-) Serious question, anyway;

Mine were some of the comments under discussion, but not the only
ones.  In any case, it was an anonymous thread, so unless you had
a very good "feel" for someone's style, there was no real way of
knowing who said what.
 
() Education's purpose is to replace an empty mind with an
() open one.
()      -- Malcolm S. Forbes
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 23 Aug 92 10:04:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug23.100436.14479
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

In article <1992Aug23.030857.17434@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>Actually, no.  You are not all too stupid.  Well, anderson is; but that's
>because he & melinda have to share one brain between them.  

Is this alt.flame or soc.motss?

Nelson, realizing that he really could just make it *all go away* with
the touch of a key..
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/     You can't have the revolution without good typesetting
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:57:41 GMT
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Originator: glp@merlin


In article <l92jo3INNi4d@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Aug18.170149.27264@wam.umd.edu> 
|> lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Lovegod) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> > I really didn't mean to precipitate the response I got.  It just  
|> > reminds me of how indicative the newsgroup is of the real world.  
|> > We have too many fucking factions within ourselves that don't even 
|> > try to see things eye to eye.  I certainly didn't mean to get in the 
|> > middle of that.  It's wrong and we ought to know a hell of a whole 
|> > lot better.
|> 
|> Sheesh.  I didn't realize you were *that* thin-skinned.  And I
|> *really* don't know how the "fucking factions" that we apparently
|> have too many of within ourselves has anything to do with my 
|> response.  As far as seeing things eye to eye goes, you should
|> keep in mind that I countered your proposed party game with
|> a party game more to my taste.  If you don't want to play my
|> game, why should I be expected to play yours?

This sounds like _Boys in the Band II_.  Party games, indeed.

|> The problem with being a bitch is that one ends up being forced
|> to associate with crybabies who can't roll with the punches.

"Life.  You remember life, don't you?"

-- 
Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Whizzzzzzz ( was Re: Introduction)
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:19:23 GMT

fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!) writes:
>This line is so...
>
>>   Pour regeler mon chauffage centrale.
>
>cheezy. I mean, gawd, 'for my central heating' ! It's almost painful.

Not to mention that "centrale" should be "central".  Oh, I did mention
it.  Sorry.

,
Eamonn, compulsively pedantic
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Jeans
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:39:09 GMT

r l reid (ro@panix.com) wrote:
> 	(Commercial:  Marlboro Man and Son, out riding on the
> 	range...
> 		"Dad, how do you keep yourself...you know....fresh?"
> 		"Hell, boy, I wash my underwear once a month
> 	         whether it needs it or not, and I always use
> 		 Studley Deoderant Super Absorbent Drip Pads
> 	         with the exclusive mauve adhesive strip"
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

                               * OUCH! *

Mike Drayton
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:31:00 GMT

I know I shouldn't be responding to this but...
Bob Sarver (bobsarv@microsoft.com) wrote:
 
: Simple test (even for you).
: 
: 1.  T/F  Members of an oppressed minority group who willingly act 
:          out negative stereotypes advance the cause of their group's 
:          acceptance in society.
People who act like themselves have a much less conflicted life in
general, and therefore have mental and physical energy available to  
advance any cause they might choose.
 
: 2.  T/F  Bizarre behavior is a effective recruiting tactic to get
:          invisible members of a oppressed minority group to become 
:          more visible.
But we don't recruit, do we?
 
: 3.  T/F  Sometimes members of a minority group will act in personally
:          selfish ways which hurt the overall group goals.
True:  Sometimes members of any group will act in personally selfish
       ways which will hurt my goals, or your goals.  Overall group
       goals are very difficult to agree on.
 
: 4.  T/F  When a group shows a chronic unwillingness to submit its beliefs
:          to examination, testing, or debate, said group is most likely
:          a religion and not a political movement.
True:  In the name of Jess our Father, Sim our Messiah, and Melinda
       our Holy Harpy.  
       (apologies to these Deities, should they prefer not to 
        be part of today's Trinity)

Mike Drayton                     (Hewlett-Packard Co., Santa Rosa, CA)
mdrayton@sr.hp.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Reply-To: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 22:15:45 GMT

In article <#-7mta.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

>Getting fucked can be a lot of fun, but do you think it would be masculine
>enough for him?  

   I sent a letter to Nelson recently, and didn't keep a copy for
myself, discussing this subject.  But I remember the gist of it.

   I have never thought of fucking (in this context) as anything but
masculine.  The first time I got fucked was probably the most
"masculine" thing I had ever experienced.  The nelliest, campiest, drag
queenist queers grunt and sweat and shove and groan and fuck like men,
and a room full of those sounds, sights, smells, tastes, and
sensations, completely outside the company of women, is nothing but
masculine.

         Elf !!!  (whose only objection to drag queens is that he hates
                   the taste of perfume...)
-- 
Elf Sternberg    __   |     I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss
elf@halcyon.com  \/   | has looked into me.  Neither liked what we saw.
elf@polari.online.com |                              - Brother Theodore
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Introduction
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:19:31 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) wrote:
>You know, I like this attitude in a man.  When shall I
>expect you?

I wish really soon.  I seem to be in the path of some sort of catastrophe
which I have never experienced before on the ground.  I wish I could
fly out right now, if not to avoid Andrew, but also to enjoy your company.

>I thought your pic from the con was most fetching.

Thank you.  I was still waiting for the picture you promised with your
harpsichord, which has still not appeared, when someone pointed out there
is one picture of you there.  Quite fetching yourself.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: mandatory service (was Re: Metzenbaum introduces Senate bill to end military ban)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:00:47 GMT

jefu@akbar.nmt.edu (Jeff Putnam) writes:
>Now, I think this is a terrible idea.  Not just because of
>the compulsory aspects (I still believe that if there is to
>be a draft and if _anyone_ serves in combat, then _everyone_
>should serve, man, woman, faggot, dyke...) but because of
>a number of social problems it would bring up.  These
>range from displacement of people from jobs to a solidification
>of federal governmental power.  Finally, it just wouldnt
>work, damn it. 
*----
I'm against it for a variety of reasons.  I think it would have
a much better chance of working if the situation were different.
As it stands, the vast majority of people who pass laws compelling
others to work involuntarily are over 35, and the targets of those
laws seem to be around 18.  Conversely, if there were ABSOLUTELY
NO EXEMPTIONS, then lawmakers with children might be reluctant
to pass such laws.  Even Dan Quayle might have done something
meaningful during his service.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Republican Convention, Houston, 1992
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:21:07 GMT
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge) writes:
: In article <l95kmkINNe64@news.bbn.com> rrizzo@star-trek.bbn.com (Ron Rizzo) writes:
: >The 1992 GOP convention is an incredible and bizarre outpouring of hate and
: >fear.
: 
: What really freaks me out is the very Orwellian quality of Bush's campaign,
: like being "pro family values" while at the same time vetoing the family        
: leave act. And in today's _New York Times_, there's an op-ed piece by 
: Christine Todd Whitman (the failed Republic candidate who ran against Bill 
: Bradley for one of New Jersey's senate seats), explaining why pro-choice 
: Republican women should feel entirely comfortable voting for Bush. I mean,      
: how do they keep a straight face while they say these things?
: 
: No sarcasm here -- I can't possibly do justice to my material.
: 
Yes. I found myself screaming *HYPOCRITES* in frustration at the t.v. 
screen a couple of times during the few times I forced myself to 
watch the travesty in Texas.  This whole thing is too frightening
for me to find any humor in it.


Kathy
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: 10% for anal, 1% for oral
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 07:40:53 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <13465.2a96120c@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> 
msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen) writes:
>> considered rough guidelines. 
>
>If I understand you correctly, the results described here average together 
>transmission rates with and without condoms, which are presumed to be quite 
>different, so it's not clear that the numbers cited are at all close to the 
>rates in any individual encounter, in which a condom is either used or it 

That's what the article says, in which case it's an odd result.  It may
have been a misstatement; I'm pretty sure they do collect information on
condom use.  Or perhaps they are only counting people who didn't use
condoms at least some of the time.  Perhaps I'll work up the energy to call
them and ask (although I've never had much luch getting anyone from those
studies on the phone). 

>
>Not to mention another uncontrolled variable:
>> This estimate is an average over all contacts with any one partner

There are certainly lots of unknowns.  The scary thing is that they may
remain unknown, since the NIH has decided that the basic epidemiology of
HIV is now understood.  I hope someone in Europe or Canada is doing more
research. 
>Did your sources say where the study was to be published?

I assume that it will be in the proceedings of the Amsterdam AIDS
conference, since that's where the paper was presented. 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: Robert Bernardo (1952-1992)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:19:31 GMT

In article <92230.231253IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Ailsa N.T. Murphy <IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>damn.  i'm babbling.  i'm sorry.  goddammitall, IT ISN'T FAIR!
>
>                                      -ailsa
>                                       wishing i were more eloquent

Ailsa, sometimes eloquence isn't all it's cracked up to be.

In my experience, children have a finely developed sense of outrage at
unfairness.  That most of us lose this is one of the great tragedies of
growing up.

When did I learn to sigh and say, "Life is unfair"?  How can I regain the
outrage?

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu
From: klotz@lclark.edu (Gretchen Klotz)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: need good bible arguments AGAINST the anti-gay passages
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:46:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Aug21.204615.11457
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Aug20.211139.15881@cis.ohio-state.edu> amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>those of you who are trying to confront those who use the bible
>as a weapon against gay people might be able to use the fine
>piece on the new york times op-ed page this monday: "homophobic?
>re-read your bible" by Peter J. Gomes, an American Baptist minister
>and professor of Christian morals at Harvard.
>
>arnold

Arnold, you tease, couldn't you type it in for those of us who've already
recycled our NYT?  Or could anyone else, please???  Thanks!

BB,

- Gretchen

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Presumption
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:18:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug12.155727.9941@tc.cornell.edu>
shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:

>Like Jess, I've been in homosexual relationships with
>several straight people (although in my case they were
>women), and I feel perfectly comfortable with their straight
>identities.  Their overwhelming affectional orientation
>was towards men, but through some odd quirk of fate they
>found themselves with a woman.  This doesn't make them
>lesbians, and it doesn't make them bisexuals.  It makes
>them straight women who have had sex with another woman.
>Get it?

Ha, you think a paltry thing like overwhelmiing evidence
is going to crack the vault-like door of the made-up mind?
Melinda, I had no idea you were one of those in-the-face-
of-all-fools kind of idealists.  Brava! :-)

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