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From: pepin@viper.usc.edu (Jim Pepin)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Wasatch 100, Info request
Date: 12 Oct 1992 20:43:42 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: viper.usc.edu

Its a 100 miler. It used to be considered the hardest 100. now there is a new 
100 called the hardrock 100 in colorado that has 48 hr cutoff, wasatch has 36
hr cutoff. It starts north of slc and finishes on other side of the range near
where robert redford lives now.  The trails at this one are very steep and
there is lots of climb and drop. Weather has been know to be very bad. This
year it was 'nice' last year it rained and snowed all day. O yes the race is 
like the second weekend in sept. the race director is Cindy Andrus 
309 E Mansfield ave SLC 84115 (got that from sept ultra running mag)

Jim Pepin
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From: jhaines@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jennifer Haines)
Subject: Sore Knees
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 03:41:16 GMT

I was diagnosed as having patellar tendonitis suring my spring
track season.  I took three months off over the summer, and then
started up slowly, and I'm beginning to have problems again.  I
ice every day after cross country practice, pain or no, but some-
times it's bad enough I have to stop my workouts.  Does anyone have 
any recommendations as to what I can do?  I have 4 weeks left of my 
senior cross country season, so I don't want to rest until  after
the season.  My weekly mileage is around 35-40 currently.
(Last year at this time, I was around 50, so I feel way behind
already.)  Also, could this problem have anything to do with the 
fact that I wear spikes for my races-they do make my calves hurt?
They are distance spikes, but they have a lot less shock absorbency
than my training shoes.  Any answers would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you. -Jennifer Haines (jhaines)
From: drears@pica.army.mil (Dennis G Rears <drears>)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Columbus Marathon
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:59:38 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army  Armament Research Development & Engineering Center, Dover NJ

In article <1bc1fkINNja4@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> nevai@ops.mps.ohio-state.edu (Paul Nevai) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.132954.5202@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ahenden@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arne A Henden) writes:
>>The Columbus Marathon was held under nearly ideal conditions
>>Sunday Oct. 11....
>>
>>No Master's rankings were listed.  Total prize money = $90,000 with
>>first place worth $17K for both men and women.
>
>
>AND: $500 in the wheelchair competition (ea. for both men and women).  Isn't
>this outrageous (even if only appr. 20 wheelchairers participated)?  It's a
>shame (in my opinion). Take care...Paul

   They're lucky they are allowed to compete.  Races are foot races not
wheelchair races.  After all it is called a 10K run or 5 mile run or
whatever.  On my NYC Marathon finishing certificate it states "has completed
the full 26 mile 385 yard footrace".
			  ^^^^^^^^
   If you disagree with the previous statement look at it in economic terms.
There were 20 wheelchair participants compared to how many runners? Are
sponsors willing to put big bucks for a few wheelchair races?

Dennis
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: mvm@caesun6.epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Subject: Re: How to stay loose
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:53:58 GMT
Reply-To: mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Organization: Engineering Productivity Group, Harris Corp., Melbourne, FL

kennedy@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Mike Kennedy) writes:
>     I have a question concerning 'staying loose' while running. A year or
>   so ago I attended a running clinic where they talked about keeping the
>   upper body loose, ( do not make a fist, let your arms hang loosely by 
>   your side, etc). When I do this or at least try to do this, I find I
>   get side stitches and/or chest stitches and my shoulders are sore after
>   I finish my run. (2.5-3.5 miles x 3 days)
>
>     Any tips on upper body form would be appreciated.

A tip I once got was to relax my hands and wrists in order to release
tension in my shoulders.  You should still keep your elbows bent and
swing your arms in the normal way when you run.  It's awfully hard to
run with your arms hanging straight down.

--------------------------------        _\/_
Matt Mahoney, mvm@epg.harris.com       |(TV)|  Drug of the Nation
#include <disclaimer.h>                |____|

Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.bicycles,rec.sport.triathlon
From: djconnel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Connelly)
Subject: Re: Need: heart rate monitor book
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 01:59:51 GMT

In article <0d=S02DR26U801@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tad10@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Dickinson) writes:
>
>The title is "Training, Lactate and Heart Rate" by Peter Jannsen
>You won't find it in bookstores because it is published in
>Finland.  Call Colorado Cyclist (800.688.8600) and order it for
>$19.95 + s/h.  It is a great book and well worth the cost.
>
>Terry Dickinson  tad10@ccc.amdahl.com
>
>.....The worst run I've ever had was terrific....

Both Palo Alto Bikes and Wheelsmith in Palo Alto sell it,
and they are the only two shops I have checked, so it is
out there.

Dan



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From: jhaines@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jennifer Haines)
Subject: tibial band
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix (sponsored by U. of Denver Math/CS dept.)
Disclaimer1: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 92 13:12:34 GMT

One of my friends has this problem, and was given several stretches
for that area of her leg.  Most of them are side stretches.  I can't 
describe them very well, but they seem to help her.  Talk to a trainer or
specialist.. (BTW, side of leg stretches. OOPS!)  I can give you
her e mail address if you write me...
-Jen (JenniferSavage-Haines%4%MC@Manchester.edu or Jhaines@nyx.cs.du.edu)

Xref: sparky rec.running:2835 rec.bicycles:23201 rec.bicycles.misc:901
From: sridar@nil.mni.mcgill.ca (Sridar Narayanan)
Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: cold weather running/riding gloves
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:25:32 GMT
Organization: NeuroImaging Laboratory, Montreal Neurological Institute

Hello,

I spent about $10.00 Canadian for a pair of Activa cycling gloves last
year.  I would call them about medium weight, which is fine down to 
0 C for cycling.  I also use them for cross-country skiing at any 
temperature.  They have well-padded leather palms, lycra outer shell,
and (I think!) a cotton blend lining.  I'm satisfied.

Sridar
From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: I hate orthotics!
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:43:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Oct07.184335.28461
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <1992Oct7.174321.22690@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> jwlx_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Jeff Wilcox) writes:

    [in response to someone's asking about orthotics]
>
>I have them, and they don't bother me a bit.  They took about two weeks to
>get used to.  They were a brand called 'Sporthotics'.  I don't know if this
>matters but....

    I too have Sporthotics.  Took a couple of weeks to get used to, and
then everything was great for about 6 mo.  Now, I'm having lots of trouble
with plantar fasciitis again and will be checking back with the prescribing
podiatrist next week.

-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ.
From: spit@innerdoor.austin.ibm.com (John F. Spitzer)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Wrist watch for marathon training
Keywords: wristwatch marathon
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:58:01 GMT
Reply-To: spit@innerdoor.austin.ibm.com (John F. Spitzer)
Organization: IBM

I'm currently training for the Houston marathon (Jan 24), and will be
concentrating on speed training soon.  I'm looking for a wrist watch
with at least 30 splits, and preferably under $50.  A friend suggested 
the Casio Marathon.  Any suggestions?  What other features should I be
looking for?  A pacing tone which sounds at every mile of your desired
pace would be nice - though I've never used anything like that before.
Do any of y'all use that feature in races?  Any other information about
watches geared for long distance races would be extremely helpful.

* ------------------------------------------------------------------- *
* Views expressed herein are entirely my own; any resemblance between *
* these views and those of my employer is purely coincidental.        *
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From: dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu (David Sewell)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Painful Heels
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:59:09 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

I've been dealing with heel pain (plantar fasciitis) lately and
have a big (80K or so) on-line file of articles on the subject, which
I can e-mail to anyone who requests a copy.  Just be sure your mailer
can cope with a file that size.
-- 
David Sewell, English Dept, U of Rochester   |  "Grammarians without any
  dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu                 |  character at all lecture
  dsewell@violet.ccit.arizona.edu            |  us upon that of Homer."
  (On leave in Tucson, Arizona, '92-'93)     |     --Diogenes the Cynic
From: rp@llex.ll.mit.edu ( Richard Pavelle)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Pulse monitors
Date: 14 Oct 92 10:05:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: ll.1992Oct14.100547.22661
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Originator: rp@llex


Has someone had experience with these? I would like to know the
price range and whether they are convenient to use when running.
Is the display easy to read, for example. Thanks.
From: kingpin@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Joe Smooth)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: shin splints - in response to robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:28:21 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: None

I don't know how to reply to a person over the net (I'm using EMACS), but
I've just been diagnosed with a small case of shin splints on my left leg..
I missed the whole thread on shin splints, but all I've been doing is icing
it after I run (daily), and the pain is on and off.. how long do they take
to heal (generally)?
From: barrett@thud.cs.utk.edu (Richard F Barrett)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: The last week before a 10k
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:33:45 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa,local
Reply-To: barrett@thud.cs.utk.edu (Richard F Barrett)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thud.cs.utk.edu

I find that taking a day off 2 days before the race, then an easy jog
the day before, works well for me. The point being that the day off gives you
rest, then the easy jog loosens muscles that, for me anyway, tend to get stiff.

RB
From: wolf@prosun.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Koehler)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: damages with running distance (was Re: No Marathon Legs?)
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:40:09 GMT
Organization: GMD-FIRST, D-1000 Berlin 10

In article <1992Oct6.195443.28758@mlb.semi.harris.com>, mvm@caesun6.epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney) writes:
|>  ........
|> ALL running damages the tendons, and the damage is directly
|> proportional to distance.  The rate of healing varies, and might be
|> as high as 150 miles/week in a few genetically gifted elite athletes,
|> but is probably closer to 20-50 mi/week in most people.  As long as the
|> rate of damage is less than the rate of healing, then no harm occurs.
|> 
|> The tendon's capacity to absorb damage before an injury occurs is
|> a couple hundred miles, or about 2 month's worth of running, according
|> to the model.  Tendons usually heal with about 2 months of rest.
|> ....
|> 

I dont't agree with your damage theory. It's not that simple.

At least, you have to consider the effects of long term adaption to all
body systems, that means healing rates will increase and damaging rates
will decrease the longer you stand by.
Of course, this takes a long time, one year is surely not enough.

I also don't agree that only gifted elite runners have high enough
healing rates to recover from a weekly milage of 100 mi.

I feel, everybody, who has two healthy legs, has the ability to run such
distances without injuries but most make simple mistakes.
Mankind is a species build for running.

If you look at the migrant birds there also are not only some birds
able to fly 2000 mi;  all of them do.

So it's the head, not the tendon, that causes the harm.


wolf

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: speckman@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Heike Speckmann)
Subject: Re: No Marathon Legs?
Organization: "Lehrstuhl fuer Technische Informatik, Uni Tuebingen"
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 07:45:04 GMT

Sounds like my training concept (doing triathlon too and not unsucessfully).
And it works well for me.

Heike
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From: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell,G2,3123,homephone)
Subject: Re: damages with running milage (was Re: No Mar
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:33:12 GMT

In article 2457@bigfoot.first.gmd.de, wolf@prosun.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Koehler) writes:
> In article <1992Oct6.195443.28758@mlb.semi.harris.com>, mvm@caesun6.epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney) writes:
> |>  ........
> |> ALL running damages the tendons, and the damage is directly
> |> proportional to distance.  The rate of healing varies, and might be
> |> as high as 150 miles/week in a few genetically gifted elite athletes,
> |> but is probably closer to 20-50 mi/week in most people.  As long as the
> |> rate of damage is less than the rate of healing, then no harm occurs.
> |> 
> |> The tendon's capacity to absorb damage before an injury occurs is
> |> a couple hundred miles, or about 2 month's worth of running, according
> |> to the model.  Tendons usually heal with about 2 months of rest.
> |> ....
> |> 
> 
> I dont't agree with your damage theory. It's not that simple.
> 
> At least, you have to consider the effects of long term adaptation of all
> body systems, that means healing rates will increase and damaging rates
> will decrease the longer you stand by.
> Of course, this takes a long time, one year is surely not enough.
> 
> There are also  methods to support actively the recovering processes.
> 
> I also don't agree that only gifted elite runners have high enough
> healing rates to recover from a weekly milage of 100 mi.
> 
> I feel, everybody, who has two healthy legs, has the ability to run such
> distances without injuries but most make simple mistakes.
> Man is a species built for running.
> 
> If you look at the migrant birds there also are not only some birds
> able to fly 2000 mi;  all of them do.

The reason that all migrant birds can fly 2000 miles is that those which
can't fly 2000 miles fall into the ocean. Only the *toughest* survive.

Back in *caveman* days everyone could do the equivalent of 100mpw as you needed
to do it to survive. In todays more comfortable lifestyle we've opted out
of evolutionary pressures to some degree so we don't have to be as *tough* to survive.
Therefore we all can't manage 100mpw.



> 
> So, in many cases it's the head, not the tendon, that causes the harm.
> 
> 
> wolf
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Tel. (Berlin 030/049) 6704-2650              for Computer Science
> 
> 
> 



tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
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atb@uk.ac.dl.gserv1       ! bill murray - ghostbusters
From: whare@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Low Oxygen Rates?new
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:46:57 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

	I just thought of a really cool idea to simulate running
at high altitude. Take about four or five straws and stick'm in 
your mouth and try running like that. When a big race comes up 
just run normally and you'll feel like you're getting TONS more
oxygen! Questions on whether it's harzadous towards your health?

			Just thought I'd share that with you.
			Steve, becoming a faster runner each day, Hare.-- 
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                                                  ...Richard*GRAPHIC*Design...
                                                  ...Antony R Hare............ 
                                                  ...President................
                                                  ...whare@ac.dal.ca..........
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                                                  .......everything...........
From: reidyj@CS.ORST.EDU (Jay Reidy)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: shin splints - in response to robin@fisher.bio.uci.edu
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:57:58 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Oregon State University

In article <KINGPIN.92Oct13182821@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> kingpin@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Joe Smooth) writes:
>.. how long do they take
>to heal (generally)?

  That depends on you.  Are you going to rest and use ice, or are you gong
to abuse youself, run through the pain and 'be a man'?  If you take the time
off NOW, use ice, elevation and compression, you could be back running in
a couple of weeks.

  If you keep abusing your knees, and continue to run, you'll end up on
  cortizone and ibuprofin for a year or more.

  Try swimming and cycling (on the flats, and do lots of spinning) to keep up
  your aerobic conditioning, and go for walks.
  
  Make sure your shoes are in good shape, and if you need them, get orthotics.
  
  Good luck and have a safe and sound recovery.
  .
  vroh
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.c.schwebel)
Subject: Re: The last week before a 10k
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:58:06 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.123837.3827@arizona.edu> kitten@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Bruce Saul) writes:
>according to a training schedule in the Runners handbook by Bob Glover.
>...But his last week calls for a two mile run the day before the race.   
>	My question to the runners of the net, at any level
>of experience, is what do you do the last week before a 10 K?

In my "New Competetive Runner's Handbook" by Glover and Schuder, 1988,
they have a 12 week buildup schedule for the 10K.
In the "novice", "basic", and "advanced" schedule the final week has
a speed workout on Tuesday, Saturday off, and the 10k on Sunday.
The "champion" schedule has a short endurance run on Saturday.

I've found it helps me to take the day before completely off
and to have a light schedule the week before with some fast
sharpening runs.
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: wle@brahms.mitre.org (Willard L. Eastman)
Subject: Re: Etonic Stable Airs
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
	wle
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:08:43 GMT
From: mks@gvgspd.gvg.tek.com (Mark Sanders)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Asic Gel-120 Cross
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:40:16 GMT
Followup-To: rec.running
Organization: Grass Valley Group

I just bought a pair of Asic Gel-120 Cross, and was wondering
what experience others on the net have had.  I've been wearing
Etonic Stable Air Pros.

Jim Walker, a three time finisher of the Badwater, a run from
Badwater the lowest point in the continental US to the top of
Mt. Whitney, the highest point, sold them to me.  He used to
be a designer for Nike.  I walked into the store just to see
what they had, but I stayed for over 2 hours, just talking
about runs and runners.  Another local favorite is Jim King,
a past winner of the Western States 100 miler. I see Jim
training at a local state park.  It's amazing to watch him
glide up a hill, without breaking stride. I've seen him with
other elites, talking and laughing as they climb some of the
ugliest trails you'd ever not want to see.

Being a slow clydesdale, I'm impressed with the real good 
runners, and their willingness to swap tales and share training
secrets.  Runners are something special. The friendliest runners
I've met are ultra-runners.  I've paced some ultras, and have
always felt welcome by those who have already run 20 to 40 miles
when I step in.  Even the race organizers are friendly and
generous, even if you are not paying to run.  Maybe the distance
has done something to their brains.  

To Northern California runners.  If you are a member of a running
club, or would just like to share race info, please EMAIL me and
we can share our experiences.  We have a small running club, about
80 members, 40 active.  We have everything from middle-aged milers
to ultra-maniacs (my wife is in this catagory).  We sponsor some
local races, but the members travel all over, looking for that
magic race (Humbolt Redwoods and the Shasta are favorites).

Sorry to ramble on, it must be endorphines.  See ya on the trails.

Mark Sanders
Sierra Slowpokes Running Club
From: richd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rich Davis)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:58:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Painful Heels
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.running

> 
> The problem I have is that my feet, primarily the heels, have been getting
> sorer and sorer over the past 3 months.  It started as an annoyance that 
> disappeared after 5 minutes or so, but it has gotten to be very painful.
> In fact, periodically throughout the day I will get sharp, excrutiating
> pains that last for 5 seconds or so, for no apparent reason. I tried laying
> off for 3-4 days at a time, but I didn't notice any improvement from the
> layoff, so I resumed training.  
> 
> 
> (Oh yes, the pain is on the sole of my feet, not the back of my heels.)
> 

>>-> Guess I'm a bit confused. 1st you say the pain is "excrutiating" and
     "Sharp", and primarily in the heel.  To this I would say: Ahhhh
     plantar faciatis (sp??).  That Sucks!!

     But with this last statement you say the pain is on the sole, not 
     the back of your heel.  So if you mean the sole of your heal, then
     I would still say "Ahhhhhhh, plantar faciatis (sp??). That Sucks!!"
     But if your talking about the sole of your foot, I don't know.

-RC