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From: craig@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Craig Campbell)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Magickal significance of names written in blood
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:06:27 GMT
Organization: AT&T / NCR Canada Ltd., Toronto, Canada

In article <1992Oct13.211638.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.105231.21703@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:

>> Does anyone out there know the significance of words or especially
>> names written in blood?  There's a Slayer (death metal) song which claims
>> that the act of writting ones name in blood constitutes selling your
>> soul to the devil.   I have also heard rumors that writing someone
>> elses name in blood puts a curse on them.  Anybody have any info on this?

>> thanks,

>> Chris

>Blood is the life force. By signing something in blood, you are signing your
>life over to Satan, or marshalling (sp?) your life-power to use in casting a
>curse.

>--Semhaza

What you may or may not be doing will also be strongly tied to your intent.
Signing your life over to Satan?  Again, even if you beleive in such things,
I would suspect intent to be required.

craig

-- 
Craig Campbell		|	These opinions are entirely the result of a 
Systems Engineer	|	small butterfly crashing into the far side
NCR Canada,		|	of the planet.  Chaos Rules.
an AT&T Company		|	I speak for no one, except, possibly, myself.
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From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Toe dipping
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:03:14 +0000

ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto) writes..

>I have seen that there are some extremely erudite contributers here.
>Now would someone out of all this erudition inform me as to the
>location of the psychic centre in the human body?

(a) What body ?

(b) What centre?

(c) What do you mean by inside?

Or to put it another way, perhaps pschic phenomena are best explained
by sating that the human body as we know it is an inaccurate mental
construct which fails to be particularly useful as a mdel of reality
in respect of these matters :-)

Well you did say 'erudite' so what did you expect.

BTW a couple of other possibilities:

The pineal gland (Eastern mystics)
The centre of gravity of the body (Castanedas)

>ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto)
From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: more on Taliesin
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:27:28 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Okay, I posted something about Mryddin and Taliesin on alt.mythology,
but it went away.  I'm new to this, so please bear with me.  I'm not going to 
repeat the entire thing I posted, but I will tell you to look for a copy
of the Mabinogion that includes the tale of Taliesin.  In short, it goes
like:

Ceridwen had two children, a daughter Creirwy who was the most beautiful
girl in the world, and a son, Morfran, naicknamed Agfaddu "Utter Darkness"
because he was as ugly as his sister was beautiful.  To compensate for this,
Ceridwen planned to give him the gift of Wisdom.  The potion would have to 
simmer for a year and a day,a dn she engaged a blind mine to stir her cauldron (echoes of the Balor of the evil eye tale).  The old man had a boy, Gwion Bach,
who served as his eyes.  When the year and day had passed, and the mixture came
to boil, Gwion Bach pushed Agfaddu away,a dn recived the gift himself.

ceridwen, furious, chased him.  He turned into a hare to escape her, she turned
into a greyhound to give chase.  He fly through the air as a swallow, she became
a hawk.  he dove into the river as a salmon, she became an otter.  Finanlly he
crawled onto the bank and ran into a miller's house, where he became a grain of
wheat to hide amongst all the others.  ceridwen became a hen and ate him.

Nine months later she was delivered of a beautiful boy.  She knew it was her 
enemy Gwion Bach, but did not have the heart to kill him, so she set him afloat
down the river in a coracle, hoping he woudl drown (anybody seen Willow?).  
The coracle was caught in a weir, where Prince Elphin was trying to catch Salmon
(inpmlying it was either Samhaine or Beltaine) and instead, caught the Salmon of 
Wisdom himself.  Upon opening the basket, he saw the amazing child and said 
"Behold the Shining Brow"  and thus was he named Taliesin, which means 
"Radiant Brow".

taleisin was a contempory of Mryddin Ambrotious Emrys, and they are both called
Wonderous Youth in stories pertaining to their births and childhood.

Personally, if you ask me, Taliesin had more wisdom in a single fingernail 
paring than Myrddin in his entire body, but that's neighter here nor there.

For a good story of Myrddin's childhood, check out Time Life's
Wizards and Witches in their supernatural line.  It's written by some celt
or otehr (I think irish, but he may be a scot) and is worth it.  It's a 
brilliant book with gorgeous art.

Your Servant,

Lady Johanna Constantine
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: De-linking others.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:55:10 GMT

CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu () writes:
: It is possible to de-link yourself to someone whom you linked with very
: strongly, say for example, someone whom you have had sex magick with?  Or
: someone whom you prevented pregnancy with various forms of sex magick, as
: some prefer to call it.

Certainly, why not? It might require a ritual such as moving to another
state or city, but is not at all impossible.

: My second question, if you do stop your child from entering this world,
: but the child enters your other parallel universes, what are the effects,
: and how screwed up will you get...I have been told that screwing with
: your parallel universes is a very bad idea...

As soon as the possible universe diverges from yours, it no longer can affect
you. For as many universes where there would be a child, there would be others
with no child - an infinite number of each. As such, they balance out.

Don't let yourself be blinded/confused by the sexual hangups of Christianity.

Bill
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: backgrounding
Date: 16 Oct 92 11:35:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <15OCT199221413755@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu>, ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS) writes...
>In article <JOSHUA.92Oct15111947@bailey.cpac.washington.edu>, joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) writes...
>> 
>>In article <15OCT199212265080@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> 
>>ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS) writes:
>> 
>>>   I read the FAQ file, and I think I have a good idea of what it is
>>>   but I would like other opinions of the term 'backgrounding', when 
>>>   building your pyramid of concentration effect.. techniques for this?
>>>   thx.. MB. 
>> 
>>if you don't have any idea how to do this, I'd recommend doing some dhyana
>>yoga for a while (at least until you can reliably attain dharana) before
>>trying the techniques outlined in the FAQ. crowley's '8 Lectures On Yoga'
>>is a good elementary book describing how to do this.
>> 
>>josh
>> 
> 
>Yeah, Ive read 8 lectures, its boring. 

Could you possibly have missed something?
If not, try Raja Yoga or Mental Development by Yogi Ramacharaka.

>I was refering to definitions,
>techniques, but I know that can be requesting past what
>some people are willing to type. 

People could type forever.  Unless *you* do the work, you are not 
going to understand it.  

>There are lots of ways
>to background the levels of mind. 
[stuff deleted]

Why are you asking for advice?

- Peggy -
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu
Subject: Re: Toe Dipping
Organization: Bowling Green State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:21:43 GMT


I find this thread on the 'third eye' very interesting.  I had never heard
mention of the third eye in the areas that have been mentioned, but I have
encountered references to it in numerous hypnosis and astral projection books,
along with a book on ninjitsu meditation techniques.

--Hum
jallen@andy.bgsu.edu  
bc205cs@opie.bgsu.edu

From: cal@otter.hpl.hp.com (Colin Low)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:37:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Toe Dipping
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: alt.magick

Ceridwyn writes:

>I didn't read the original post, so I may be repeating someone else, but
>the "alpha" state refered to may be in reference to something akin to Laurie
>Cabot's _Power of the Witch_.  Ok, she may be a bit flashy, but she does know
>some stuff.  Her chapter on alpha is basically a form of Western visualization
>meditation.  She defines alpha as the altered state fo consciousness "where
>brain waves register at seven to fourteen cycles per second" as opposed to the 
>"beta" level which is 14->30 cycles/second.  Does this ring a bell for anyone?
>
Yes, alpha waves run at about 11 cps, and are present when the eyes are shut.
This is an altered state of consciousness insofar as walking around with your
eyes shut is different from walking around with your eyes open.
 

>Also, in reference to the third eye comments, an interesting fact:
>  The third eye is located in the same general area as the pineal gland.  The pineal gland is located in the center of the forehead and under the thickest, and hardest bone in the skull.  It nonetheless is affected by light.  The pineal    gland regulates melatonin, a hormone that is important in producing other 
>hormones.

Melatonin production is well known to be affected by ambient light levels, 
but I wasn't aware that there was any mystery in how light is involved. 
Below the very thick and hard forehead are two large holes with lots of
light sensitive nerves hanging out.

Colin 
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: jv@irus.rri.uwo.ca (Jeffrey Verhagen)
Subject: A.O.Spare Pics
Organization: none
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:31:35 GMT

I am looking for gifs of A.O.Spare's artwork - specifically 
those of the interesting creatures he drew. Don't bother to 
send them to me - just upload them to 
slopoke.mlb.semi.harris.com as they would probably of
interest to all.

Jeff...
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: EVIL! (& Ronald McDonald)
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:55:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <memo.672190@cix.compulink.co.uk>, shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes...
>oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes..
> 
>>My theory is that of a population with no major psychological
>>problems, those who repress their dark side are more apt to totally
>>lose it and walk into a crowded McDonalds with a machine gun and open
>>fire.
> 
>But is this an evil act, evolution in action, or simply an act of
>poetry?

All of the above.  Depends on one's perspective.  The gunner 
might see it as evolution, poetry, etc...  I'm pretty sure the 
people being killed would consider it evil.

>There is something very appealing abot the whole concept: McDonalds
>has _just_ opened here.

Shootings seem to occur in McDonalds & post offices for some 
reason.

>"Ronald McDonald is a child molester" as they say :-)

Probably.  Now how would this work in the UK where (according to 
Chris) its common etiquette to ignore anything touchy, (except on 
the football/soccer field I gather)?  (If you didn't follow the 
RJ Stewart/Merlin Tarot posts, you won't know what I'm referring 
to.)

- Peggy -
From: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Changing times and magick.
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:45:24 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <92287.123111CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu> <CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Does anyone have any thoughts on the old story of " As time progresses,
>there will be more mages around..etc."  It seems that I run into more and more
>people who practice the arts.  Then again, maybe i'm just getting out more...
>It seems that some believe that as years go by, the use of magick will grow
>tremendously..and then fade out, and this goes on in a cycle.  Any ideas on
>this?  Opinions?
>                  later, gersha
>                        Smitty.

	Since  the begining of civilization, there have been mystics/shamans.
Usually  they have been on the outskirts of society, at times heavily sought
and at times heavily oppressed, always  both, usually more  one than the
other.  There will  always be mystics and practitioners. They will always
be on the  outskirts in relation to the rest of civilization. 
	The question, therefore, is  not wheither society accepts our 
vocation. The question is wheither *we* accept it, induvidually.

	I  have already said too  much.
	Lost Boy
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: aura goggles
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:29:53 GMT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith) writes:

> My vote with Bran and Bill. Goggles won't help you see auras except
> by so distorting your normal view that maybe you strat to see other
> things.... that is they might just act as a ritual tool.
> Leo


What you see-- or rather, what i saw when I made myself a pair in 1976, 
is a thin somewhat whitish band that tightly encloses the body's edges 
and rigidly follows the body's movements.

Now, as i experience 'auric vision', there is indeed a tight layer of 
this so-called 'aura' that seems a little like what is seen through said 
goggles-- though it is not so even, thickens and thins a little bit 
around various areas of the body, and is more plastic, and less 
'whitish', than what is seen with the dicyanin dye filters. There's also 
quite a bit more that seems to be happening, of which the goggles show 
nothing at all, at least to me.

My thesis is that Kilner made himself these goggles, and that they 
"triggered off" his own latent intuiotive and 'psychic' abilities.

Someday I'll make another dycyanin dye filter, and repeat those 
experiments... later, Bill
From: grimoire@byron.u.washington.edu (John Greer)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Toe dipping
Keywords: Re: Toe dipping
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:12:55 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Oct10.222221.26683@linus.mitre.org> tucker@mitre.org (William Tucker) writes:
>ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto) writes:
>
>>I have seen that there are some extremely erudite contributers here.
>>Now would someone out of all this erudition inform me as to the
>>location of the psychic centre in the human body?
>
>Hi -
>
>I'd have to say that there are three ways of looking at 
>psychic centers:
>
              (useful text deleted)

There are many more than these three, of course -- nearly every magical
tradition I've encountered has its own system of this kind.  For the 
excessively detailed,there's always the more complex Taoist systems,
which I believe have no less than 360 different centers within the body...

For those within the Western magical tradition, though, what about the 
Middle Pillar system as found in the writings of Israel Regardie, W.E.
Butler, and some of the other post-Golden Dawn writers?  This has five
centers:

   Kether      above crown of skull     Spiritual level

   Daath       at base of neck          Mental level
                                           (abstract consciousness)
   Tiphareth   solar plexus             Astral level
                                           (concrete consciousness)
   Yesod       genitals                 Etheric level
                                           (life energies, _ch'i_)
   Malkuth     soles of feet            Physical level

The magician works with all five of these centers, rather than with one
alone, in order to develop the ability to work magically in all five
realms.  (This is to my mind the chief differentiation between magic 
and mysticism; the mystic seeks to leave the world, the magician to
work effectively within it.)

Further details?  Israel Regardie's _The Middle Pillar_ (not sure if
this is back in print yet), _The Art of True Healing_, or _The One
Year Manual_ all give instructions; for that matter, so do half the 
Golden Dawn-derived popular books on magic currently in print.

-- John Michael Greer
   grimoire@u.washington.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:36:53 EDT
From: <CCS105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: De-linking others.
 <1992Oct13.064302.26611@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>

It is possible to de-link yourself to someone whom you linked with very
strongly, say for example, someone whom you have had sex magick with?  Or
someone whom you prevented pregnancy with various forms of sex magick, as
some prefer to call it.

My second question, if you do stop your child from entering this world,
but the child enters your other parallel universes, what are the effects,
and how screwed up will you get...I have been told that screwing with
your parallel universes is a very bad idea...
                                     later
                                         smitty.
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From: tucker@mitre.org (William Tucker)
Subject: Is belief necessary?
Keywords: Is belief necessary?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA, USA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:03:55 GMT


Following is an excerpt from a book of lessons. It discusses whether
belief is necessary to get results.

  "We will follow the system of instruction of the East, rather than
that of the Western world. In the East, the teacher does not stop 
to 'prove' each statement or theory as he makes or advances it; 
nor does he make a blackboard demonstration of spiritual truths, 
nor does he argue with his class or invite discussion....He does
not care whether his statements are accepted as truth by all, 
for he feels sure that those who are ready for the truth which 
he teaches will intuitively recognize it....as for the others if
they are not prepared to recieve the truth, no amount of argument 
will help matters. When a soul is ready for a spiritual truth, and
that truth, or a part of it, is uttered in it's presence or presented
to it's attention by means of writing, it will intuitively recognize 
and appropriate it......

   We do not mean that Eastern teachers insist upon the student
blindly accepting every truth that is presented to hir. On the 
contrary, they instruct the pupil to accept as truth only that 
which s/he can prove for hirself, as no truth is truth to one 
until s/he can prove it by their own experiments. But the student is
taught that before many truths may be so proven s/he must develop 
and unfold. The teacher asks only that the student have confidence
in him as the pointer-of-the-way....When you reach a particular
point on the path you will find the things of which I have taught
you: handle them, weigh them, measure them, taste them, and know
for yourself. When you reach a particular point of the path you 
will know as much as I did, or any other soul at that particular
point; you must either accept the statements of those who have 
gone before or reject the whole subject of that point. Accept 
nothing as final until you have proven it; but if you are wise;
you will profit by the knowledge of those who have gone 
before...

   We ask the student to have patience. Many things which will 
appear dark to hir at first will be made clear as we progress."

    Fourteen Lessons in Yogi Philosophy,
           by Yogi Ramacharaka

The only thing that I would like to add is that there is a
difference between belief and intent. You must intend something
to get results, if your spirit is not behind your ideas you will
not progress any more than a car will move forward with the clutch
pressed in. You must be engaged and integrated to have effect.
Belief is not necessary, however a suspension of disbelief is.
All "creation" is at the nexus of becoming and being. Belief is a
static thing, and does not yield to realalignment easily.


  Wm T.
    "Just my opinion, thank you."

.standard disclaimer
From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Toe Dipping
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:57:35 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Oct5.211825.27000@primerd.prime.com>, jasonp@scat4.prime.com (Jason Pascucci) writes:

| Also, a number of Yogic systems use meditation on the Third Eye. (For 
| example, turning your eyes crosswise to 'look' at your third eye.) I 
| believe these techniques tend to produce the 'powers' (damnit, I can't 
| recall any of the words for it) which manifest in the Yogis. (No 
| comments about the Ranger, Booboo.)

The are called siddha powers, and those who have them are called
siddhis, I think. I may have them backwards.
			-Lorenzo
-- 
"the Hell Law states that hell is reserved  
for those that believe in it, with the          Lorenzo Farris
lowest rung of hell being reserved for          farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu
those that believe in it on the supposition 
that they will go there if they don't"      
        -Principia Discordia
From: dewind@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ultra-Violet Bluesman)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Walking at night
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:17:45 GMT
Organization: UB

shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith) writes:

>Peggy asks..

>'anyone else do this regularly?'

Yup...I do.

>No: But I tried the 'gait of power' running across open country in
>the dark. That seems to work ok. Picking your feet up HIGH in broken
>country seems to stop you stumbling.

It took me a good three or four nights before I didn't come home looking like
skinface got a hold of me!

  -Padriag

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From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: backgrounding
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:19:47 GMT


In article <15OCT199212265080@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> 
ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS) writes:

>   I read the FAQ file, and I think I have a good idea of what it is
>   but I would like other opinions of the term 'backgrounding', when 
>   building your pyramid of concentration effect.. techniques for this?
>   thx.. MB. 

if you don't have any idea how to do this, I'd recommend doing some dhyana
yoga for a while (at least until you can reliably attain dharana) before
trying the techniques outlined in the FAQ. crowley's '8 Lectures On Yoga'
is a good elementary book describing how to do this.

josh



Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Subject: Re: EVIL and "dualism"
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:18:40 GMT

In <1992Oct5.190037.3353@shearson.com> scarrobi@shearson.com (Steve Carrobis) writes:

>my point was that without the term good the term evil is unnecessary as well as 	with the term evil than good would not be needed ...

> it has to do with the law of opposites ... or Opposing Forces ...

>u cant have one without the other .... 


O but you can. Read Catholic theology...evil is not something of itself
it is not the opposite of good. Rather it is a stunting...a twisted
version of the true form...I forget the actual argument and words bu
tthat is the gist of it...I'm *sure* someone out there must have posted
something along these lines?

Ollie/Lucifuge...

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