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From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: The NEW Penn State MNC Scenario!
Organization: UMCC
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:44:41 GMT

In article <92279.183450MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu (mark rieker) writes:
>
>     O.K. my beautiful Washington vs. Penn State scenario was shot to hell
>     when the stupid Bruins lost to a surprising Arizona, but have no fear
>     I have a new, and still somewhat believable, scenario...
>
>       - Penn State goes undefeated. (still the most important part) :)
>
[part of scenario that gets PSU into the top three deleted]
>       Michigan - Ah, if they go undefeated people will care.  They have a
>       schedule about as good as State's (but certainly not better), although
>       that tie with ND is gonna hurt if Penn State beats them at Notre Dame.
>       Even with a Michigan win in the Rose Bowl, I see Penn State with a
>       piece of the MNC at least.
>
Sounds ok to me.  Should both teams go undefeated, we could split the 
MNC.  I have no problem with that.  :)  
Actually, it would pretty interesting to have co-national champs 
in the Big Ten next year.  Let all Big Ten insulters beware!  ;)

>       O.K. try that on for size......and now some Nittany woofing ....
>
>
>       Face it 'cane fans its all over.  You barely escaped Arizona & got
>       lucky with Florida State (again).  With Medearis out O.J. is gonna
>       run wild.  The Orange bowl is cozy compared to 98,000 drunk Penn
>       State maniacs in Beaver Stadium.  Hell, the crowd could top 100,000
>       depending how much they oversell the game.  It was close last year.
>       We're better, you're worse....welcome to the Lions Den!
I hope you're right.  Good luck, PSU.  

>-------
>========================================================================
>  Mark Rieker        We are Penn State      Go Atlanta Braves!
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Steve
From: elgx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Penn State's schedule
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:58:15 EDT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

Could someone e-mail to me a schedule of Penn State's games?

I'm interested mostly in their November games at home, but if someone had
a schedule already in file form they could send me that, and it would
be greatly appreciated.

Dave Han
From: morse@satie.cs.unc.edu (Bryan Morse)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Virginia WINS
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:24:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Sep30.144236.9701@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>
>Oh yeah, I think Welsh calls them "traditional in-state rivalries" instead
>of "out-of-conference patsies", though these are virtually synonymous--
>im not even really flaming tech here, the other two 'traditional in-state
>rivalries" are W&M and VMI..........

I've been thinking a bit lately about this question of "traditional in-state 
rivalries" vs. "out-of-conference patsies".  So far this year in this group,
Miami was flamed for scheduling Florida A&M, BYU has been criticized for not 
dropping Utah State, and now UVa gets heat for scheduling other in-state
schools.  My question is: should these teams continue to play these games 
or should they seek out (currently) stronger competition?

For continuing the rivalry:
These rivalries go back much longer than the recent success of these
programs.  In some cases, there are state pseudo-championships and 
even trophies for these games.  Lots of local bragging rights even
if the series is lopsided in recent history.

For moving on:
Better competition.  Better football.  More television exposure (read $$$).  

Any other reasons on either side?  What do you think these schools should do?

-- 
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From: paul@maunakea.Data-IO.COM (Paul Brownlow)
Subject: Re: TROJAN NEWS VOL.9 (USC/UW NOTES)
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:04:05 GMT

In article <1afujtINN4sn@skat.usc.edu>, valdis@skat.usc.edu (Valdis Kalejs) writes:
|> notes leading into this Saturday's "Shootout in Seattle":

I thought the only shooting was at the USC practice field. :-)

|> HUSKIES: Starting tailback Jay Barry will also be out this Saturday due to a
|>          broken toe. Beno Bryant has also been bothered by a hamstring injury,
|>          but will play. This will give most of the rushing burden to sophomore
|>          Napoleon McCallum.

Napolean Kaufmann will be playing for the Huskies.  Napolean McCallum played
for Navy and the LA Raiders.  Bryant is apparently "fully recovered" from his
hamstring injury.  You may recall that he was returning punts against
Nebraska two weeks ago.

|> WEATHER FORCAST: The temp for the game will be 69 degrees, with partly cloudy
|>                  skies and NO RAIN!!

Today's forecast calls for some rain tomorrow, although most of the rain was
to arrive today.  Forecast calls for rain ending tomorrow with the temperature
in the mid-60's.  It started drizzling about an hour ago (it's 2pm), so the
rain appears to be on its way.  It *is* Seattle, after all!

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From: merklin@rtsg.mot.com (Teresa B. Merklin)
Subject: Re: SWC Preview for Games on 10/3
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 11:31:56 GMT

Kevin Rodgers writes:
>John R. Boisseau Jay writes:

>>OKLAHOMA STATE at TCU
>>---------------------
>>
>>Predictions: Goober Okie State 27, TCU 14  (Teresa Barley Merklin assured me
>>                                            that the Aggies win)
>>             Jay    TCU 24, OSU 21
>
>Teresa is right as usual, and Jay must have done too many mullet-with-
>cheese-sauce bong hits if he believes that TCU has more talent than OK
>State.  Goober's pick looks good to me.

Thanks a lot, guys! As I stumbled from Amon Carter stadium Saturday night,
I was wondering how in the world Oklahoma State managed to lose that game.
Now I know...

Teresa
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From: dmurphy@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Dennis J. Murphy)
Subject: Re: Wisconsin
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:04:33 GMT

In <00961583.35BA4FA0@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU> mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU) writes:
> 
>I have some questions for Wisconsin fans now that the Badgers seem
>to be on the rise again.

>What is the last bowl game Wisconsin went to?
     I believe it was the Hall of Fame Bowl, 1984, vs. Kentucky. UW lost,
     going 7-5 for the season. That team should have gone to the Rose Bowl,
     witness the 4 or 5 (I forget the exact number) choices in the first and
     second rounds of the 1985 NFL draft.
>When is the last time they went to the Rose bowl?
     1963. #2 UW lost to #1 USC in one of the most exciting college football
     games in history, 42-37.

>When was the last time they were ranked in the top 20?
     Don't know for sure, but I'd guess 1984. The Badgers had high expectations
     that year.

>Was Wisconsin ever a national power? 
     Depends on your definition, but they had a pretty good string in the
     late '50s to early '60s. Before that period, I can't really say.

>Why have they fared so poorly over the past 20 or more years? 
     How much time have you got? I would attribute it to an administration
     which seemed to feel that an excellent academic reputation was negatively
     correlated with an excellent athletic reputation. But that's just one
     person's opinion.

>Do they ever fill their 77,000 seat stadium?
     Apparently not anymore. When I went to UW in the '70s, Camp Randall was
     routinely packed to the gills. Since the administration cracked down
     on bringing alcohol into the stadium in the mid '80s, attendance has
     gone seriously downhill. The fact that the team sucked didn't help,
     either. Personally, I'm surprised that attendance hasn't jumped back up
     that much in light of the fact that Alvarez seems to be doing an
     excellent job of bringing a competitive team to Madison. There may be
     other factors at play that I'm unaware of (after all, I'm in Canada
     now).

>I have to assume that at one time Wisconsin was a successful program
>mainly because of the large stadium and the fact that "On Wisconsin"
>was an old standard fight song for my High School and many others .
>For the 12 years I've followed college football, however, it seems like
>the Badgers have been losers (Please correct me if I'm wrong).

     At least in the pre/post-McClain era ('79(??)--'86).
     Hopefully that will change in '92 :-)

>BTW--I think that the Badgers have one of the better nicknames in
>college ball. A Badger is one of the meanest animals there is.

     Well, thank you! We like it.

Dennis
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:49:41 EDT
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Florida at Miss. State

The term "Phyrric Victory" has taken on a whole new meaning.

Miss. State blasted the Gators 30-6.  Shane Matthews threw a career
high 5 interceptions, and the Florida ground game just wasn't there.

Not all good news for the Bulldogs, though.  QB Sleepy Robinson
went down with a knee injury in the 2nd quarter.  He damaged some
ligaments and is gone for the season.  Backup Plump [can't remember
his first name] played fairly well, but the 'dogs are going to miss
Robinson's running ability.

Florida was in trouble from the beginning.  They're effectively out
of the SEC-East race.  Despite the MSU victory, Robinson's injury
moves Bama a little further out in the West.

The Third Saturday in October just gets bigger and bigger . . .



Jim Thomas
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Some IAA stuff
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:12:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: mccall.1992Oct5.101226
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <1992Oct4.000110.313@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>Some scant info....
>
>Marshall, the #1 team in I-AA lost to Missouri, 44-21.
>
>N. Iowa, #2, beat Illinois St., 41-14.
>
>The Citadel beat Appalachian St., 25-0.
>
>Eastern Kentucky, Delaware, Villanova, SW Texas, NC A&T, Richmond, Youngstown
>St., Eastern Washington (all ranked teams) won.
>
>When the polls come out, look for UNI to be #1.
>
I noticed this too and hoping for exactly that...UNI #1!!!!  Howwwwlllll.
Yiiippppeee!  Go Panthers!!

Marshall's coach said this is the worst game he has ever been associated
with(in terms of his team's play).
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From: stavast@rls.b11.ingr.com (Lyle Stavast)
Subject: Re: Why won't ND play FAMU?
Reply-To: stavast@rls.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:29:17 GMT

In article <wade.a.yoder.7.3.0@nd.edu>, wade.a.yoder.7@nd.edu (Wade A. Yoder) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep25.192024.10523@makesys.com> john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:
|> >From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
|> >Subject: Why won't ND play FAMU?
|> >Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 19:20:24 GMT
|> 
|> Why would anybody want to play Miami????  When the fans go down to a game at
|> the Orange Bowl (Should have a name change to the TRASH BOWL) you get 
|> attacked by the wonderful Miami fans....  
|> 
|> I made the trip to Miami to watch ND/Miami game.  While at the Orange Bowl 
|> the Miami Fans (not all mind you but most of them) were total _SSHOLES...
|> During the game I decided to go down to the Beer Vendor Station and buy a 
|> beer.  However the vendor noticing that I was a ND Fan refused to sell me a 
|> beer saying that he doesn't sell to the ND people.  A Miami Fan in line 
|> behind me heard this and told me that he would buy a beer for me since the 
|> vendor wouldn't sell me one.  But the vendor hearing this wouldn't sell the 
|> Miami Fan a beer either simply because he was getting it for me.  Needless 
|> to say we were both _ISSED-OFF, we started back to our seats and ran into a 
|> Police Officer for that wonderful city in Uniform, on duty and you guessed 
|> it drinking a beer.....

Skip - I just want to assure you that you should go to the game when
ND and BYU do home/home games.   You won't have that negative experience 
there :-)  [Mormons (and thusly BYU) :just say NO: to alcoholic beverages]
And while there's no beaches to hit, the scenery remains breathtaking.   

|> ========================================================================
|> Skip Yoder
|> yoder.7@nd.edu               GO IRISH
|> Univ. of Notre Dame                    BEAT STANFORD
|> ========================================================================

-- 
+=======================================================================+
       R. Lyle Stavast  stavast@rls.b11.ingr.com (205) 730-5624         
                             BYU Alum '83                             
+=======================================================================+
From: stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen)
Newsgroups: osu.sports,rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: OSU Falls to Wisconsin!!
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:32:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: alc.1992Oct5.183202.754
Distribution: na
Organization: The Lion's Den, San Jose

Patrick E Fleming writes:
> Wisconsin does not play Michigan this year. 

Correct.

> That means that if Barry Alvarez can keep the emotions running high
> in Madison we may see the Badgers  in Pasadena on NYD!  

The Badgers will still need a Michigan loss for this to happen.  Since
Wisconsin and Michigan don't play each other, the tiebreaker goes to
"winning percentage for all games."  Michigan (2-0-1) has a better out
of conference record than Wisconsin (2-1), and thus if they have the 
same record in conferece the Wolverines get the bid.  (The *next*
tiebreaker would be "longest time since last appearance"; too bad the
Badgers didn't have a creampuff non-conference schedule.)

Ohio State needs some help (someone to beat Wisconsin), Wisconsin needs
some help (someone to beat Michigan), and the Wolverines are still in
control of their own destiny.  (Michigan State as well as one of
Minnesota/Northwestern are also in control of their own destiny, but
I figure that's not worth worrying about.)

If Iowa beats Wisconsin in Iowa next weekend... the Wolverines still
will control their own destiny, the Badgers will need *two* Wolverine
losses, and Ohio State will need either an additional Badger loss or
Michigan to win the rest of their games up to the date in Columbus.
(Ohio State wins a three-way tie with Michigan and Wisconsin because
the Buckeyes are 3-0 out of conference; OSU would lose a two-way tie
with the Badgers on head-to-head record.)
--
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From: ds4@north3.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: FSU/Miami bad officiating
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:30:53 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct5.220224.3269@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, scott@gfdi.fsu.edu writes:
|> Someone was saying that FSU was getting all the breaks, in particular
|> that FSU D-backs
|> were all over Miami receivers, and I agree.  But that's not why I'm
|> postin'.
|> 
|> On the play where FSU stupidly fielded a punt at the 1 and then tried to
|> throw it out of
|> the endzone, Keith Jackson said (and someone on the net agreed, I can't
|> find the post)
|> that Miami should have been given the choice of a safety or a touchdown,
|> since a touchdown
|> was the outcome of the play.  Had Miami _intercepted_ the illegal
|> forward pass and run 
|> it in to the endzone the outcome of the play would be a touchdown and
|> they could take it.
|> But, the illegal forward pass was _incomplete_ and therefore they could

I think that would be counted as a fumble in that case...am not positive.
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From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: TROJAN NEWS VOL.9 (USC/UW NOTES)
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 04:55:49 GMT

acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>baze@carson.u.washington.edu (Behzad Khamneian) writes...
>>  NOTES:  A lot of people on the net have been making mistakes on how to 
>>          spell the single and plural of the word Husky, so here it is:
>>          - Single:  Husky
>>          - Plural:  Huskies
>> 
>>  Not Huskie, Huskys, or Huskey and Huskee!!
>> 
>>  Any questions?  :)
>> 
>
>Yeah, does the university own the Husky-Boy Burger Stand on PCH by Laguna 
>Beach?

No, that belongs to Matt (Moo-Moo) Merzbacher (r.s.b.c reference for the
non hoops initiated).  The U-Dub does own a rather sizable chunk of
downtown Seattle, however.  Seems as though the University got the land
from some of the founding fathers way back when Seattle was a little 
burg and the founding fathers were trying to make a buck by attracting
some business (actually they wanted the $30,000 the federal government
authorized to establish the University, but that's another story).  On
that land now stands a bunch of skyscrapers--all of whom pay rent to
help lower my tuition.  Hmm, I think they ought to raise the rent a bit.
What are they going to do--move the skyscrapers off the land?

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Dept. of Physics, FM-15       *   Hey Matt!  The diffusion pump is full of
University of Washington      *   water again!
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From: yl44729@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rick Lin(call me Axl) )
Subject: Re: Miami, Florida
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:11:54 GMT

ds4@soc15.acpub.duke.edu (DIMITRIS SIDIROPOULOS) writes:

>|> >So what you are saying, is that it is ok to tie, but not to win by one point?
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Is it me or is Lou Holtz taking this conservative thing a little too far?

>It is you.  Next time try to read the WHOLE post.  I know that including other
>peoples posts confuses you but you must read it.  The point of my article did not
>even concern Holtz at all, so where did you come up with this?!?!  Be a good
>little boy and do not comment till you read a little better :)


Damn it! I was adding to your comment, not flaming it, you little boy.
From: ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington)
Subject: JP Sports ACC schedule
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:51:35 GMT


JP Sports ACC schedule

Oct  3  NC State at Georgia Tech
Oct 10  North Carolina at Florida St.
Oct 17  Virginia at North Carolina
Oct 24  Ga. Tech at North Carolina
Oct 31  Duke at Ga. Tech
Nov  7  NC State at Virginia; Maryland at Florida St.
Nov 14  Clemson at Maryland; Duke at NC State
Nov 21  NC State at Duke; South Carolina at Clemson

All games noon ET

Games are subject to change if a major network picks up one
of these games.

Bob E.
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Miami - FSU
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 22:15:34 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Oct04.175738.6048@CS.ORST.EDU> paasch@engr.cs.orst.edu (Bob Paasch) writes:
>In article <vrcpfvg@lynx.unm.edu> jade@triton.unm.edu (Eric Jaderlund) writes:
>>In article <BvKBp3.DEF@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pol30546@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Peder Larsen) writes:
>>>Miami has just reaffirmed itself as the #1 team in the country
>>                                        ^^^^^
>>>by defeating Florida State in an exciting battle at the Orange
>>>Bowl.
>>>
>>>Miami 19
>>>FSU   16   Final
>>
>>I guess they are still #2 on the CNN/USA Today poll just due to some
>>typo then.   ;-)
>>
>
>Just one persons opinion: I don't feel Miami should be voted #1 based on
>the results of this game.  People were saying last week that Miami
>didn't win the AZ game as much as Arizona's kicker lost it, but I had
>to agree that holding them to a 50 yard field goal made a lot of difference.
>But this week we have Miami averting a tie when the FSU kicker fails with
>a 37 yarder.  A decent kicker should make this about 75% of the time.
>Given that Washingtons victory over U$C was never _seriously_ in doubt,
>I say Washington is still #1.  I'd guess the AP poll will give ABC(?) a
>#2 vs #3 matchup next week with Miami and Penn State.

Couple of differences of opinion.  First, Washington was in trouble with the
final drive by USC.  USC was driving down the field pretty easily and decided
to go for it all when the interception came.  Also, remember that FSU almost
tied the game, but FSU is the #3 team in the nation, while USC was what...
#20???  And, they were also without their top quarterback, who left with an 
injury, if I remember right.  

I would say that a victory over the #3 ranked team is a pretty worthy 
testament to things.  A victory over #20 is nice, but doesn't quite say 
as much, espeially when the team losses it's starting QB.

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From: exurlsr@exu.ericsson.se (Robert Lightfoot, xt-dL, 0627)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SMU defeats TCU, eyes Cotton
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:29:24 GMT
Reply-To: exurlsr@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson in North America.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 18765@u.washington.edu, tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>Inspired by a pre-game castaration of a live horned frog, the SMU Mustangs
>pounded TCU 21-9 at Ownby Stadium Saturday in a pivotal SWC showdown.  Led
>by darkhorse Heisman candidate "Dandy" Dan Freiburger, who completed 31 of 
>51 passes for 372 yards and 2 TDs, the Ponies won their third consecutive game
>and remained unbeaten in the SWC.
>
>SMU, which now has a share of the SWC lead, was adamant about not relinquishing
>it.  "We've got to go to Waco next week, so we're already thinking about the
>Baylor Bears," defensive lineman Kenny "Sugar" Rea said.  "But we've got A&M
>coming to our place in a game which will mean Cotton.  We really think we can
>beat them.  We think they're the worst Top 5 team in the country."
>
>GT


Oh no, here we go again.  A&M the worst top 5 team in the country???   

Granted SMU is the second best team in the SWC  (of course A&M is best), but
they have the Heisman candidate, and you know how we like those.  Dandy dan better
tone it down if SMU wants to win.

Go Aggies