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From: ingram@sequent.com (Bill Ingram)
Subject: Re: floormats & where to get them without paying needless markup
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 19:33:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.162129.12054@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Huppertz) writes:
%Hello,
%
%I recently bought an '89 Dodge Daytona, which is in near perfect condition
%except the floormats could be replaced.  I called the local Dodge dealer
%who wants to charge RETAIL for these items...! The feeling I got when he
%told me the price was comparable to the feeling you might get if you went
%around throwing money directly into wastebaskets.
%
%So I thought I would ask my net.friends: Is there a catalog or some other
%place where I can get the floormats, where I don't have to pay 60% extra
%for the dealer to make a phone call?
%
%Thanks in advance for your help,
%
%-Eric
%
%
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 Eric, I will later get you the phone number for a company that makes
 dashboard covers AND "factory style" (read custom fit) carpeted floor
 mats. They are in AZ, and are called Dashmat. I bought a set of floor
 mats for my 1976 Toyota Corolla (hey, 47k miles orig) and a dash cover.
 Both fit perfect. The full set of mats where approx $40, $29 for the dash
 cover.
 Bill
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mvelasco@fraser.sfu.ca (Matthew Velasco)
Subject: Dura Lube
Summary: dura lube comments
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 09:23:38 GMT

Anyone out there tried the DuraLube oil supplement?  How was it?


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From: Chuck@clemson.edu (Chuck Heck)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: BMW Highway Patrol Car
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:01:24 GMT
Organization: Clemson University

In article <1992Aug19.151315.7247@hubcap.clemson.edu>, jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:
> [stuff deleted]

> it accelerates a lot smoother and faster.  It has all the fancy
> trimmings; leather interior, CD Player, power everything (windows,
> seats, locks, etc.).  It is a pretty neat looking car but a pretty
> unusual looking highway patrol car.
> 
In addition to all of the stuff mentioned above, it also sports a shiny new 
light bar on top.  That will probably mess up the aerodynamics enough to 
lower the M5's top speed to something less than the 180mph that's indicated
on the speedo....

Chuck
From:  (Eric Youngblood)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Old TAs and New 300ZX's
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:06:53 GMT
Reply-To: Peon w/o Email priv (Eric Youngblood)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx

In article <8AUG92.08464372@skyfox.usask.ca>, howp@skyfox.usask.ca writes

|> 
|> I'll throw my hat in with Rowdy... I mean no offense, Gene, maybe your car is
|> fast, but if it can beat new 300ZX's, then it likely isn't stock.  The R&T 4/80
|> issue (which I referenced from the 11/80 issue) claims a 0-60 mph time of 9.8
|> seconds for the Pontiac Trans-Am 4.9L Turbo. From the Motor Auto Repair Manual
|> 1980-1986 published in 1985 (ISBN 0-87851-613-1) page 21-4: For 1980 one had a
|> choice of 301 CID engines configured as: 
|> 
|> Engine Code     Compression Ratio      HP@RPM    Torque(ft*lbs)@RPM
|>   W               8.2:1              150 @ 4000      240 @ 2000
|>   W (with EEC)    8.2:1              170 @ 4400      240 @ 2200
|>   T (turbo)       7.5:1              205 @ 4000      310 @ 2800
|> 
|> The '81 model year engines had 5 hp less than the 1980 ones above, and for 1982
|> there was no listing.  1982 was the redesign year for F-bodies and they switched
|> to the 305 Chev.  For the 1980 models the fifth letter on the VIN is the engine
|> code and the '81 and up models have the eigth letter as the engine code.  The
|> above numbers are SAE net values (I guess). 
|> 
|>      Notice how low your (stock) compression ratio is, 7.5:1.  With a late 70s
|> early 80s turbo, you probably have a lot of turbo lag.  Combine that with the
|> low compression and I would expect your vehicle to be quite mellow off the 
|> line.  

Okay as an avid Pontiac enthusiast and F-body TA fan here's my 3 cents:

I dug up some old car mags from back then, in C&D Oct '79 they clocked the '80
turbo TA at 8.2 0-60 & 1/4m in 16.7@86mph w. 116mph top speed. Motor Trend gave
similar reviews. Even my old 77 w/ a 6.6 had to struggle to get to 60 in under
9 seconds. (of course it was equipt with the wimpy L78 7.6:1 180hp engine)
It now sports a 280 hp custom built (cam,carb,9.5:1,headers, etc...bla, bla, bla)
overbored 400. The thing *is* fast (0-60:6.1 & 1/4m:14.6@93) but no way could
it out perform a 300ZX. Time for a reality pill here. The F-bodies are heavy by
todays standards. Stock against stock I'd have to put my $$$ on the 300ZX. Mine
is *definitely* not stock, but I wouldnt expect to beat a 300ZX unless he blows
a shift or something.

Ain't cars fun!!!
8^)

Ericy
From: paraska@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Pete Paraska)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 240Z restoral (was: Datsun 240Z/260Z)
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:40:27 GMT
Reply-To: paraska@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Peter Paraska)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, earlyd@ee.byu.edu (David Early) writes:
>Thanks for the reply.
>always have a cracked dash.  Exactly how bad is the cost?
>I will do all the work, but if the dash costs $400, maybe I'll keep looking
>until I find the good dash.                   ^^^^
>
>Dave Early

Funny you guessed $400.  That's the price I remember from several years
ago for a new dash.  However, for $60, you can install a "dash cap"
which is a thin plastic (vinyl?) piece which is molded over the cracked
dash.  I did this to my 72 240Z.  It does not look quite kosher, but for
me it was better than looking at the cracked dash.  I think even J.C.Witney
sells this thing.  I recommend it to all but the anal retentive restoration
nuts.

I have owned this car for over ten years and have done alot of work
to it.  Don't buy one (locally) unless you plan on a sizable amount
of work to get it into nice shape.  I've heard the Texas/Arizona are
is plentiful with fairly rustless Z's.  I think this is worth considering
since the Z's from this area and North are rust buckets (mine has its
share even after extesive past rust work).

Don't get me wrong though.  There's alot of fun to be had with these
cars.  Light weight, O.K. power, and good handling combined with Pininfarina
inspired lines make it a classic  (IMHO).  The customization products
available allow you to tailor the car to your taste.  These cars handle
pretty good for their era, and the power is not bad (for the era).
Considerable increases in handling and power are affordable and within
easy reach.  Currently, I'm installing a 327 Chevy and doing radical
suspension mods.  I plan to suprise a few GT Mustang owners.

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From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Radar Detectors and regular people
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:03:16 GMT
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
Distribution: na
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

>The low speed limits must be left over's from the 60's!

Around 1975, actually, as I recall.  The "double-nickel" was instituted
to save gas during the "energy crisis" resulting from the first big
Arab oil embargo.  Safety arguments were retrofitted later, as an
excuse to retain this law.

>But, the worst thing is the fact that everyone slams on the brakes as
>soon as they see a policeman. 

Or better yet, they do the Fuzzbuster Flop.  You know, when everybody
in the left lanes with a guilty conscience responds to a radar ping
by merging right and trying to look innocent -- often without much
attention to either speed matching or mirror checking.

--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
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From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Radar Detectors and regular people
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:48:19 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Distribution: na
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

This weekend I encountered an interesting opinion on radar detectors
as it happens from my parents and my mother-in-law.  Both thought that
radar detectors were illegal.

My mother-in-law saw my Bel 966W on the glareshield and asked about it.
I explained what it did, and she then asked me what I was going to do if
a Policeman saw it and pulled me over.

It seems that most of the people I've talked to who are not car-nuts,
regard radar detectors as interfering with enforcement, and see them
as a way to get away with speeding.  Not that I would ever use it to
avoid a ticket.  I explained that it reminded me of the speed limit
and provided protection from speed-traps designed to collect money for
the local municipality.  She was shocked to find out that they are legal
in most places.

Has anyone else gotten the same kind of response?  I think this is bad
news for those of us desiring protection from the revenue collection
many cities and counties engage in -- there will be no cry of outrage
when they are finally banned from the US all together.


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
From: tgpt_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tom Guptill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Disgusting diesels (was:Re: reliable cars)
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:56:03 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <2344@tymix.Tymnet.COM> pnelson@cobra.Tymnet.COM (Phil Nelson) writes:


> If you have ever been trapped behind an aged, slow, stinky diesel Rabbit
>you will appreciate why I think long life is among their worst features.


	If you have ever been tailgated by an overpowered, unreliable
non-diesel car, the ability to produce immense clouds of sooty black smoke
is among one of the car's best features.  :)

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Subject: Re: Honda First time buyer program
Reply-To: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:11:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.165447.22784@news.cs.indiana.edu>, alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Amy Young Leith) writes:
|> 
|> I am in the beginning stages of purchasing a car.  I THOUGHT I knew
|> what I wanted until they told me that the CRX was discontinued to make
|> way for the Del Sol.  So... perhaps that'll be it.  =)  
|> 
|> Anyway, I am pissed at the Honda here in town, so I called
|> Indianapolis to get information from a dealer there. 
|> 
|> They do have a first time buyer program, which I asked about.  His
|> first question was, "Do you have a degree?"  I said, "Working on it...
|> why?"  He went through the list of things that one must have to
|> qualify for the first time buyer program, like income, employment,
|> etc, and the last one was, "A college degree."  Now why in the *hell*
|> would they make this a qualification for a program such as this?  Not
|> EVERYONE goes to/finishes a degree, you know!  I am SERIOUSLY thinking
|> of changing my make of choice if this is indeed the case.  I had a
|> *bit* of trouble understanding the man's accent, so I decided I'd not
|> ask him to clarify, because *that* part I got loud and clear. 
|> 
|> I don't understand this... if I'm without a degree, and I want one of
|> their cars, I don't get a special interest rate because I'm WORKING on
|> school and not out of it.  However, after I finish school, if I want
|> another one of their cars, I'm not eligible for the program because I
|> have previously purchased a new car. 
|> 
|> amy

This is normal.  Almost all car manufactures will cut a grad with a 
degree a deal (I got $1000 cash back).  I guess the logic is : you've
graduated, have a (probably) good income job, and if you can suffer
through 4 years of school, you can suffer through 4 years of payments.
I know for a fact that GM, Ford, Dodge, Isuzu, and Toyota will say the
exact same thing; why? because I asked.

A lot of other companies (VISA, Banks, etc.) do the same thing.  Remember,
it's not the education that counts, but the little piece of paper you get
at the end :)

Don
My brain, my thoughts, my words.
Let's pretend that protestants and catholics are friends.
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: pebrier@srv.PacBell.COM (Paul Brierley)
Subject: Natural Gas - Good or Bad???
Followup-To: rec.autos.tech
Originator: pebrier@boulder
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:20:42 GMT



I have a question for the wisdom of the net:

My father has been eagerly looking into buying a new diesel pickup (probably
a 1-ton extended cab for pulling a 5th wheel trailer), but keeps delaying
because each maker seems to keep coming out with a "better" diesel engine.

Now he has heard that Chevy is coming out with a Natural Gas truck, and
he is very interested in it.  Being ignorant to this technology, we'd 
sure like to hear about all the plusses and minuses.

- Is it cheaper to run?
- How does the engine run?  More or less power?
- Is it cleaner (i.e. exhaust, oil changes, etc.)?
- Can you get refills during a long road trip?  Or should he get one
     	that can run on gasoline as a backup?
- For a price, he can set up a filling station from his home gas service.
    	This takes a long time, but should be cheaper.


Any other info you can fill us in on?  Please e-mail to me, as I don't
always have time to check the net.  And thanks a million in advance
for helping us out!  I've told my Dad what a great resource the net 
is - now's my chance to show him.

Paul Brierley
pebrier@srv.pacbell.com
510.823.4870


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill)
Subject: Ford Rangers: Milage of new 2-wheel and 4-wheel drives?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 21:08:01 GMT


   Was wondering what the current milage is of the Ford Ranger in the 4 and
6 cyl versions, 2 wheel and 4 wheel. I drive an 83 2.3 liter 2 wheel drive
and I'm getting 21-24 miles per gal.
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From: tgpt_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tom Guptill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:12:26 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Aug19.160444.4189@microplex.com> hsk@microplex.com (Harjeet Kalsi) writes:


>DISCLAIMER: DIESELS - you either love them or hate them.


>When the next generation Golf/Jetta make their debut in a few months here they
>will have a new (finally!) diesel/turbodiesel 1.9 liter engine, that pumps out
>as much horsepower and a lot more torque than there gas engines of a just a 
>few years ago.  Moreover, VW claims, like Mercedes, that this new "ECO diesel"
>produces virtualy no visible particulate emissions (no more smoking!).  
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>These new models are currently being sold in Europe where they are being
>marketed as "environmentally friendly" cars. 

They've been available here now for at least a year, I think.  Odd, you
would think GBR would get them before we did.

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From: ptse@bwdls49.bnr.ca (Paul Tse)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: anti-theft systems
Keywords: theft
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:42:20 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

wslg0536@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Willy Shih-yang Liao) writes:

>Does anyone have any recommendations for an anti-theft
>system?  So far all I have for information is an article from a Consumer
>Reports magazine earlier this year (Feb., I think) in which there appear to
>be 5 or so systems ranked as very good in features (I don't plan on installing
>this myselft so ease of installation is not too important here).  Does anyone
>have a brand recommendation?

Could you please post a summary of the Consumer Reports rankings?  I am
also interested in auto alarm systems.  The systems that have impressed
me most so far are the Viper, Crimestopper, and Alpine.

Thanks for any summaries you can post or e-mail.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Subject: Re: CRX vs Del Sol
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 18:20:17 GMT
Organization: SynthMedia Productions Ltd.: The Danes Call It Quality
	<92232.192838CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>


<CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> writes:

Charles> The removable top looks pretty heavy and bulky, though. I
Charles> wonder why they didn't go with the automatic removal mechanism
Charles> like they have in the model they sell in Japan.

It would've added another few thousand onto the price, pushing it well
into the $20k range where things like Corrados and G20s reside. :-)


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From: tgpt_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tom Guptill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.driving,rec.autos.tech,rec.autos.vw
Subject: Re: reliable cars
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:51:28 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <BtAIB4.Eut@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:

>Don't forget the hard starting in winter as you sit there shivering
>while the glow plugs make enough heat to get the thing going... :-(

	Well, '82 and later VW diesels have fast-glow plugs.  Even with the
pre-glow cycle, my Rabbit still starts in less time than anything else I
drive regularly or any previous car I've owned.  ('85 Plymouth Reliant, '81
Ford Escort, '81 Chevy Chevette, '88 Ford Econoline 350, '87 Dodge Ram
Van 350, '88 Dodge Ram Van 350, and 2 Chevys of unknown vintage)


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)
Subject: Re: $758 for an oil change?
Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:01:35 GMT

In article <14190@auspex-gw.auspex.com> tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
>For some of us, it is not easy to find an independant mechanic who can
>work on our cars.  In the case of an SHO this is especially true.  As
>a result if the owner is someone like me, who can do the work, but does
>not have the luxury of the time to do the work (we work long hours in
>the Silicon valley), there is little choice but to use the dealer.

This particular job seemed to work out to 8 hrs of labor at $68 per
hour, and I don't know if tax was added to that.

I guess if you could do the job in a day on your own by taking an un-
paid holiday, and you choose not to, then you must make more than
$544 per day (after income taxes, etc).

I can't figure out why people who could do their own car repairs,
brake jobs, etc, choose not to because they say they don't have the
time, when they have to work for a week to pay for car-work that 
might take them a couple of days.
From: sonix@schunix.uucp (Duane Morin)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Sources for a Car Loan?
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:31:11 GMT
Organization: SCHUNIX Public Access Unix for Worcester County, Massachusetts, USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Ok, say I'm getting a car.  Used.  92, but used.  Cost, about $12k.  Now, 
does anyone have any good suggestions on where to get a loan for that?  I 
mean, if I was getting a new car, I could finance through the company.  This
is a personal sale of a used car, though.  I talked to my bank, who told me
"9.99% financing, 20% down, over 42 months"  which is horrible, from what I
can see.  That works out to $2200+ down, and STILL $300+ a month.

Any suggestions from netland?

Thank you,
 sonix@aol.com   <-- my only reply address that seems to work
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sks@cs.scarolina.edu (Shawn Sremaniak)
Subject: Re: Red vs. amber turn signals
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:24:02 GMT

rll@frieda.mitre.org (Roberto L. Landrau) writes:

[some stuff deleted]

>  >Speaking of such, is there any other countries in the world that allow
>  >blinking red turn signals?

>Italy, Japan, Germany, Sweden, and probably some other ones.  Using
>your logic, they must be as stupid as us, right?

Are you making this statement based on the cars they sell >here<
in the US?
Throughout Europe the standard is to have amber turn signals. In
Germany, cars which are imported privately may keep their red turn
signal if they are so equipped, HOWEVER the turn signal must be on 
a circuit itself (powering seperate bulbs). (and in Germany this,  
unfortunately, has to be noted in the car papers and permitted by the TUEV).

[some stuff deleted]

>As far as I know, the following have red turn indicators:

>Italy: Maserati Merak, Alfa Romeo Alfetta, Alfa Romeo GTV (not sure
>					about this one)
>Japan: 1990 & 1991 Mitsubishi Eclipse.  The 1992 uses the same lights
>	for both brakes and turn indicators (a la USA)
>       1990-92 Ford Probe, 19?? Hyundai Excel/Mitsubishi Precis

>Germany: I am not too familiar with the Porsche models, but I think
>      the 959 has red indicators.  Some of the old VW bugs have red
>      turn indicators, too.  (Some of them didn't even have
>      indicators).

>Sweden: Some Volvos had red turn inicators.


[some stuff deleted]
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