From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Nordstrom Rape Case 
Organization: Aston University
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:04:40 GMT

Michael Rivero (michael@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov) wrote:
: 
:   Alas, as much pressure as the feminists have put on the courts to
: punish men for various crimes, they have put equal pressure on the courts
: to allow women to get away with certain crimes. A good example is the
: recent trend to pardon women who kill their husbands on the grounds
: of domestic abuse. Many of these women never claimed they were abused

On the other hand this has added more uncertenty to the procedure.
A woman who did kill their husband when attacked (and threatened with 
leathal force in that attack).
Might meet with a judge and jury who are aware and (justifiably) horified
by previous injustices in similar cases.

: at all prior to it being suggested TO them by feminist lawyers. (In the
: case of Danielle T. Mast, convicted of bank robbery, the feminist lawyer
: for the defense presented a case of her having been "coerced" into the 
: robbery by a man. Despite the failure to identify this mystery man and 
: the fact that Danielle was not known to be in a relationship at the time, 
: the judge handed down a greatly reduced sentance.) Research has shown 

: that women are likely to batter their husbands just as often as men, 
: which means there is a case for men killing abusive wives. But, as 

However the reaction of people when husbands are attacked by their spouses
is rather different. It is usually portrayed as less serious, excuses
(which would not be used for a man) are given for the wifes behaviour.
Attacks (in the form of, further, emmotional bullying) may well be made
against the victim. Refgues (or places of asylum) for battered husbands
are frequently seen as a joke (especially by feminist groups, even by people
running similar places for battered women)

: Warren Farrell points out in his book,"Why Men Are The Way They Are", a
: ruling of legitimate self defense in the case of Eddie King, who had
: endured 4 years of stabbings, shootings and acid throwings from
: his wife Betty. She had already been arrested twice before, once for
: leaving him in a parking lot with a knife in his back, but had been
: released by a police department conditioned to believing women

The argument is something like women only defend. (sums up quite a few
of the cases the poster mentioned)

: don't cause these problems. In any event, Eddie shot and killed Betty
: during another attack in public. The judge ruled self-defense and the local
: feminist groups howled with rage, demanding that Eddie be executed outright
: for having dared lift a hand against his wife.

This sort of behaviour is very harmfull to any legal system, which to be 
effective MUST be as impartial as possible.

:   Another example. In the celibrated case of comedian David Brenner, it
: took him 10 years to win custody of his son from the mother, a multi-convicted
: drug user. The mother responded by kidnapping the boy and vanishing, apparently
: with the aid of groups who feel that the child belongs with the mother,
: no mater what. When the woman and the boy were finally found, the
: New York District Attorney declined to prosecute.

Leaving the option only of a private prosecution (if NY allows these),
in any case for a private individual, deprived of any state help, to 
attempt to prosecute is likely to be difficult and expensive. (especially
if as is possible in this case they have organised opposition)

: 
:   The woman who committed the Davis, Califoria hoax was never prosecuted,
: and so far,  there has been no mention of charges against the Nordstroms
: con-artist either. The woman who set fire to her wheelchair bound husband
: last Easter has pled diminished capacity. The lesbian who set fire to her
: lover's 2 year old son has pled temporary insanity following a lover's

Maybe a good time to consider replacing "not guilty by reason of insanity"
with "guilty buy insane".
Do you know if she was commited for psychiatric treatment?
(or is this literaly a "get out of jail free" card)
: quarrel. No challenge to these defenses have been announced by the
: respective prosecutions. The women who reported a false kidnapping from the
: Fox Hills Mall to cover the death of a child lost their license to run a
: foster home (ooooh, that musta really hurt). 
: 
:   The bottom line is that women are NOT inherently more honest than men, and as
: long as the judicial system refuses to punish them for false rape charges,
: husband battery/murder, child battery/murder and so forth, women will
: go on believing it's permissable to cry rape and to beat up and kill their 
: husbands and children.

The worst case senario is for a woman to be the abuser (or rapist) and then
turn round and claim to be the victim. 

What you will hear from feminist groups is that any attempt to do anything
against those who abuse the system is that it would discourage those
who had been attacked from reporting it.
: 
:   Ironically, Colorado passed a law that it was illegal to discriminate
: on the basis of gender when handing out prison sentances. Equality
: under the law, right? NOT!  The protests came out that the children
: were being deprived of their mothers and that therefore, the courts had
: a legitimate right to give women reduced or suspended sentances preferentially
: over men. Linda Lodenhamper, the (dues paying NOW member) of "Citizens
: for Prison Reform", urged the governor to change the law, saying that
: locking women away from their children was "cruel and unusual punishment".

Maybe (dispite claims to the contrary) the people makeing the fuss do
NOT want equality. (or dislike the idea that equality has bad bits as well)
(like admitting the existance of rather nasty people who happen to be female)
: 
:   Finally, it is a myth that women commit fewer crimes. They commit fewer
: violent and confrontational crimes (because those that try usually died),

(or possibly get caught less)

: but for crimes of forgery, theft, and fraud, commisions by women more
: than double commisions by men. My ex wife, who was a drug runner from
: Columbia for 10 years  prior to when I first met her, used to tell me that
: 90% of the smugglers were women because the cops would never stop them.

What criminals look for the holes in the law inforcement (and legal system)!

: 
:   But, as noted, the feminist spin on the legal system, bolstered by
: a 10 year media campeign to portray men as the root cause of all evils
: has created a legal system in which women may steal, kill, maim, smuggle
: and kidnap, while receieving only token punishments. 
: 
:  These crimes and pranks will continue until the media starts reporting
: the stories fairly and the courts start slamming these feminine offenders
: just as hard and just as long as possible.

Maybe then you can start fixing the damage to (and loss of credibility) to
your legal system.

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