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From: Nicolas.Pioch@grasp.insa-lyon.fr (Nicolas Pioch)
Newsgroups: alt.irc,alt.irc.ircii
Subject: Updated version of the IRCprimer (both text and ps files)
Date: 7 Nov 1992 09:47:24 +0100
Organization: Bandits de Grand Chemin Corp. Unltd
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr
Keywords: IRC primer ircII

Some of the informations printed in the IRCprimer 1.0 (Last june version)
are now irrelevant (I may also need to convert the script(s) to the last
pre-version language) so I may start working on an update soon...

   ---> CALL FOR COMMENTS ! <---

If you have found typos, irrelevant informations, if you'd like to have
things added, answers to FAQ that are not already there, etc...
feel free to drop me a note. (E-mail)

For now, the IRC primer is on a few ftp sites, including nic.funet.fi,
cs.bu.edu, plod.cbme.unsw.edu.au ... It's a 32 pages postscript document,
teaching basics of IRC and ircII up to learning how to write a .ircrc,
and answering about a dozen faq's. If you don't have a postscript
printer/previewer Sorg has produced a very nice text version of the file.

For those interested in local adaptations to fit your university
requirements/setups, or translation in another language, I have also
left the LaTeX source code of the primer on nic.funet.fi one or two
months ago. Check out for files called IRCprimer.ps.Z, IRCprimer.txt.Z
and IRCprimer.tex respectively.

I would especially like to receive a list of the ftp sites admins
who support this file, of the new IRC clients available (MacIntosh in
particular...) and of sites that have public clients available, even
if the use of such clients is restricted to a country or state.

Thanx for your attention, but please don't ask me to add in the primer
a chapter about 'how to write a bot' :^)

-- 
*** Nicolas
    E-Mail: Nicolas.Pioch@grasp.insa-lyon.fr      (pioch@poly.polytechnique.fr)
    IRC:Nap                          >>> HAPPY user of OS/2 version 2.0 !!! <<<
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: thecure@ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew aardvarkious)
Subject: [*] Irc Statistics (Idle)
Organization: Grok, where are you?
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:49:54 GMT

    (1)  67.15690%    2 hours   +-------------------------------+
    (2)  5.147061%    4 hours   | This is the result of 15      |
    (3)  5.147062%    6 hours   | minutes learning about unix   |
    (4)  5.147063%    8 hours   | utils; an idea spawned by     |
    (5)  2.696084%   10 hours   | thecure@ee.mu.oz.au, and      |
    (6)  1.960785%   12 hours   | hacked out by                 |
    (7)  2.696086%   14 hours   | phone@ee.mu.oz.au.            |
    (8)  1.960787%   16 hours   |                               |
    (9)  0.7352948%  18 hours   | It shows pretty well how idle |
    (10) 0.7352949%  20 hours   | people on irc, and just how   |
    (11) 0.24509810% 22 hours   | busy things really are.       |
    (12) 0.24509811% 24 hours   |                               |
    (13) 0.24509812% 26 hours   | Please note, that a large     |
    (14) 1.2254914%  28 hours   | majority of users (almost     |
    (15) 0.24509817% 30 hours   | 40%) were either invisible,   |
    (16) 0.49019620% 32 hours   | non-standard replies, or just |
    (17) 0.49019621% 34 hours   | plain uninformative.          |
    (18) 0.24509823% 36 hours   |                               |
    (19) 0.24509827% 38 hours   | (We'll do our best to bring   |
    (20) 0.24509828% 40 hours   | more stats later. :)          |
    (21) 0.24509829% 42 hours   |                               |
    (22) 0.24509830% 44 hours   | <thecure>             <phone> |
    (23) 2.2058834% >46 hours   +-------------------------------+

----------

Ps. Check this out. Yes, you read it correctly, that's almost a fortnight
idle! (To you non-cultured retroverts on the wrong side the globe with an
insufficiently advanced grammar to grasp concepts larger than 2 days, a
fortnight is 2 ( t w o ) weeks.)

*** CTCP FINGER reply from toocool: Xavier O'Neal,STORMS
+   10,(515)296-9253,(515)296-9253,Zay (toocool@pv7b86.vincent.iastate.edu)
+   Idle 1171989 seconds

---------

(Misc. data)

*** There are 591 users and 245 invisible on 103 servers
Wed Nov 11 21:37:03 EST 1992

----------
These are my personal views and do not reflect those of Melbourne University.
Anything I may say that may be deemed offensive and/or damaging should NOT
be redirected to administration, as they have had nothing to do with it. 
Please direct any/all complaints/enquiries to thecure@ee.mu.oz.au
From: asamonte@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Bots, WarBots, Fun?
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:21:24 GMT
Organization: Nothing worth mentioning...

gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) was telling me...
>> I still feel alt.irc.bot would be useful (...)
>
>I could not agree more. All the time, I get MSGs from people wondering,
>how do you make a bot? Can I have the source of your BOT (Glurg, btw).
>Really irritating when you go to IRC to communicate rather than go'n
>teach others to write bots.
>
>Also, programming techniques could be shared, so that all bots would be
>optimized accordingly, and we could have fewer bots because bot programmers
>could agree to have only ONE bot with that and that function, and so on,
>if you get my drift...

You're really fooling yourself if you think that would decrease the
number of bots.  Most bots are very vanity orientated.
IF someone else's bot has that function they want theirs to do it too!

I don't see how that would reduce the number of bots.

Take a look at #hottub or #hotsex.  Doug made 2 robots (which
couldhave easily been combined into one) to be the 'official'bots for 
those channels.  Did it decrease the number of bots there?  NO.

-Alex
Newsgroups: alt.irc,alt.irc.ircii
From: ngmitche@mtu.edu (Nathan Mitchell)
Subject: Re: client command line code
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:00:48 GMT

In article <BxDGxs.Hsw@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mkwg9074@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (M. K. Weaver) writes:
|> doc@uiuc.edu writes:
|>   I want to disable server specification so
|> >they will be forced to use the default server. 
|> 
I can actually see a legitimate need for this.  Lots of lame users think they
are obligated to use some server in Japan to IRC from USA.  :P

As for being able to eat lunch before the server connects, what server are you 
using?  Do you have a long /notify list?  Perhaps what you really need to edit is
the notify code, not the server code.  There is a patch to notify that will send your
notify as one line rather than many so the server's flood protection is not activated.
Simple, effective, and easy.

|> "When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, you think it is only a minute.
|> But when you sit on a hot stove for a minute, you think it's two hours.
|> THAT'S RELATIVITY." (Albert Einstein)
|>                  "My name is Monica. Got a minute?"

Hi, Monica!   I got a couple hours... if you're a nice girl, that adds up to a long
time?  Or short?  I don't remember. :)

Nate
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: jallen@athena.mit.edu
Subject: test
Organization: RSA Data Security, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:25:06 GMT


testing
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen)
Subject: Re: Bots, WarBots, Fun?
Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 11:41:30 GMT

Scott D. Yelich (scott@sfi.santafe.edu) wrote:
:    >: >could agree to have only ONE bot with that and that function, and so on,
:    >: There is no agreement. That is why we have bot wars. 
:    >Of course there is no agreement - now. That is because the bot programmers
:    >don't have a forum in which they can get the agreement. Whilst on IRC, they
:    >are more interrested in debugging their bot or talking social stuff with
:    >others. A newsgroup like alt.irc.bots would work fine for that.
: 
:    Hardly.  Ok...you tell me how to resolve this problem, and then maybe
:    it will work.  Who would run this one bot?  EVERYONE would want to run
:    it so they can say it's their bot.  If someone else runs it it's no fun.
:    Why do you think so many people have them instead of sharing them?
: 
: I'll run it.  I have a "bot" that anyone can telnet to and give a
: nickname to launch the bot.  It's one program.  Everyone gets the same
: code.  Hell, you don't even have to think-- just telnet in, give
: user@host and what channel you want to be OP on... and boom, another
: bot is born.

Tell me about it!

: 
: Scott
:

Gard 
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: asamonte@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
Subject: Re: client command line code
Organization: Nothing worth mentioning...
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 08:43:09 GMT

mkwg9074@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (M. K. Weaver) was telling me...
>doc@uiuc.edu writes:
>  I want to disable server specification so
>>they will be forced to use the default server. 
> Besides, I dont
>>think many of the users know the /server command exists.  
>	
>	Those who read alt.irc will soon find it.

Well those who don't know about it probably don't read alt.irc
And if they do, they still don't know what it does...


>So, all I need to know is where the code is and how to change it.  Let 
>>me tell you what I do NOT need.  I do not need flames, criticisms, or
>>any other "why do you want to do that?" type comments. Thank you.
>
>	Then I hope you are NOT reading this. You made your
>	statements in public. I wish you would have just
>	asked for the information but giving the fact that
>	you made statements like "force" IT seems that without
>	an answer of why...with some sort of practical answer,
>	I get this sick sort of queasy feeling in my stomach.

Mostly because when you have 2 servers at uiuc, and you /server to
an outside server you're basically wasting resources...your own, and
also the other server that you're servering too.  It's in the people's
best interest I suppose.
I have seen some completely clueless people /servering all across the
place because they think that different servers have different people
to talk to...

>	You know the kind of thing when your parents FORCE you
>	to eat vegetables <though at least in that case they
>	tend to tell you why they are good for you>.

Not really...this is different.  This is like your parents only
giving you vegetables and never telling you that there
is anything else to eat.

-Alex
From: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: What happened to +hottub?
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:16:46 GMT
Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Who cares as long as #24892 still is a nice place to chat?

/Gard
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: mkwg9074@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (M. K. Weaver)
Subject: Re: I want my own bot
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:49:38 GMT

jeff@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Jeffypookums) writes:

>What ever happened to the days when IRC robots were for the
>experienced people who knew a little something about the workings of
>ircII? 

	<stuff about friends and bot removal...removed :) > 

> Why take the fun out of programming by making
>available a "how to" guide?

>-DarqShado
	
	Even programmer's at MIT in the 50's and 60's shared
	the programs that they had already developed thus
	allowing for expansion of ideas without having to
	do redundant work <by programmer's I mean the hackers
	as mentioned in Stephen Levy's Hackers>

	bfn,
	Monica
-- 
"When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, you think it is only a minute.
But when you sit on a hot stove for a minute, you think it's two hours.
THAT'S RELATIVITY." (Albert Einstein)
                 "My name is Monica. Got a minute?"
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: mkwg9074@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (M. K. Weaver)
Subject: Re: Supidity of the Lambs !
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 04:00:48 GMT
Keywords: bots, are, lame.

a_murphy@Turing.ORG (Andrew A. Murphy) writes:


>one question: why argue about bots? 

	okay... so let's argue something else...
	what do you want to argue? How about we
	argue why ppl just don't listen to other
	ppl on channels and just rattle at the
	mouth <like I am doing now>

	or we can talk about hack oping a channel
	the pros and cons. Or about ppl who know
	you can hack op and ask you to "help" them
	get an op back to a channel that is now
	oped only by a bot. When all along they
	were banned from that channel, or at 
	least want to take control of that channel.

	<WHAT in the world is this girl talking about?>

	or maybe how in the world do we expect the middle
	east to have peace when #israel cannot even have
	peace?

	Just some random thoughts...<hmm maybe I should 
	change the subject to that>

       	bfn,
	Monica

>__________________________________________________________________________
>Dragons exist only in the minds of lovers...

>			Love a dragon today!
>__________________________________________________________________________


	Shimmer, silent sends up thoughts to Chimera,
	who's growl she deeply misses.

-- 
"When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, you think it is only a minute.
But when you sit on a hot stove for a minute, you think it's two hours.
THAT'S RELATIVITY." (Albert Einstein)
                 "My name is Monica. Got a minute?"
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: jony@microsoft.com (Jonny Yeargers)
Subject: PC/Win31 client available?
Date: 09 Nov 92 23:38:47 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa

Does one exist?I have a remote server already. I would like to be
able to minimize/wander away from my IRC session when work gets 
interesting/when the boss wanders by. JonY@microsoft.com
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: lensbs@rs6307.ecs.rpi.edu ()
Subject: Site?
Keywords: 
   Does anyone know of a site at Johns Hopkins University?  If so please
Reply-To: lensbs@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:42:55 GMT

e-mail the location of the site and/or how to get to it from the unix
system there.  Thank you in advance.
			Mr-Zoul

-- 
lensbs@rpi.edu                           |"New way what's this about a new
"I disagree with what you say, but I     | way" "Don't you laugh damn you,
will defend to the death your right      | don't you you laugh"
to say it."  -Voltaire                   |   -A Clockwork Orange
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: herm@acme.etsu.edu (Herman H. Fredriksson)
Subject: Re: Bots, WarBots, Fun?
Keywords: bots, are, lame.
Organization: East Texas State University, Commerce, Texas, USA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:18:12 GMT

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>herm@merlin.etsu.edu (Herman H. Fredriksson) writes:

>>/on public "* *re*" say say hi, Glurg;say say hi, Glurg
>>then type: 
>>say hi, Glurg

>>And watch the floods increase from 1,2,4,8,16,32,etc... messages. Great
>>stuff Mr Gard, your stupid piece of shit WeenieBot floods the crap
>>out of the channel.

>What does this prove?  It's a "piece of shit" because it can be placed in an
>infinite loop by any malicious person?  That can be done with almost any
>program... I once had a shell reading from and writing to the same file,
>which grew to over 10 megs before i kill-9'd the process.   Does this make
>/bin/csh a piece of shit?

The difference between your stupid shell script mistake and this bot is
that your mistake is not pouring out heaps of crap over the network.
Regardless, there are measures one can take against bots flooding, and that
is to observe a very simple protocol that an automated client answer
only to a privmsg (yep.. things said on channels are privmsg's), and reply
with a notice. Simple aint it? Stops all these infinite loop floods.

as to /bin/csh being a piece of shit, thats a personal opinion, I know
some bash/ksh users who would agree with those sentiments.

>It was I who created an enormous file, not the author of /bin/csh.  Likewise,
>you were responsible for flooding the channel, not the bot.

Nope, I am only as much to blame as the bot. But at least I was around
to stop my automated client. Just as you were around to clear up
after your escapade.

herm
(say NO! to unattended bots)  
-- 
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Herman H. Fredriksson                     Email: herm@nitha.etsu.edu  |
|  Things that make you go herm.....             herm@coombs.anu.edu.au  |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: grantham@beirut.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: IRC Service channels.
Date: 7 Nov 1992 09:47:06 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: beirut.berkeley.edu

I suspect that you'll run into serious copyright problems on this, but I
hope you don't.  In my mind, bots have the most potential as this sort of
information server.

What is perhaps more realistic is the giving out of "free" information.
Before the US election, TsongBot gave out Clinton campaign info, but I
didn't have that set up well and it was completely unpublicized.  I
would like eventually to be able to distribute information about Tsongas &
Rudman's Concord Coalition, but I haven't received the information I sent
away for.

Anyway, I've been suprised at the positive reaction I got to distributing
the election results in this way.  I think this sort of thing has a lot of
promise & should be kept in mind the next time we have a big news event that
draws people to IRC.  

Jon
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: mshaughn@udcps3.cps.udayton.edu (Michael Shaughnessy)
Subject: Unix IRC for AT&T system V???????
Organization: University of Dayton Computer Science Dept., Dayton, OH
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:38:08 GMT

I am looking for info that would lead em to findind a client and instructions
to install an IRC on my stystem.

The system is AT&T Unix SystemV release 3.1 (ncr os 3.00.02)

I have laready tried to compile the normal IRc and it doesnt seem to work,.
welll It doesnt work!. Anyway. Ayn and all info would make me greatkly happy.

Thank youy

Mike Shaughnessy

Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Re: Still some stupidity of the lambs. 
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:00:16 GMT

Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen writes:

>I had already been on IRC a long time before this, via goonsquad. On this date,
>however, we finally got IRC on our local unix (data3d.mrih.no)

SO you where actualy USING a great deal of net resources in stead of getting
your own client ?

>Shocked by the number of sessions? Well, we did have a few problems getting
>irc to work, and after that, quite a few visits were done to check wether
>or not certain people were on. If they weren't on, logout immediately.

Not shocked at all... have seen bigger numbers in Norway earlier on. BUT
your behaviour may cause troubble for IRC in norway. That was my point.
If IRC dissapear a lot of users will be quite happy with you.
I'm still curious about who is going to be on top of the irc.usage for Oct. 92.

>I suppose the average user know about this file? I didn't.

Average user with some willingness to learn ask for information.

>I cannot see how Glurg breaks any of these rules.

Operational procedures.

>: On the wery best, your school may loose it's network acess.
>
>On which grounds?

On the groud that YOU do not listen to what the service providers and other
tell you to do.
Simple ? No... I though so... 


>It's difficult to interpret if this "one person" is just "one person", or
>if you're pointing the finger to me.

You are not alone destroying IRC nowadays... The SAMSOM project may be death
to IRC in Norway.

>Some unattended bots are of good use. Some not. If you really hate Glurg so
>much, why don't you kill him and leave a message in my mailbox? You have the
>power to do that. 

I did kill him with an appropriate comment. But your bot may be so dumb that it
does not record what happens to him ?
Your bot did NOT follow the message in the MOTD. It got killed. Got any problems
with this ?
I enabled kill again just for the purpose of getting rid of 60 % of the 
norwegian irc population wich consist of bots. Stupid ones on top of this.
If you get your bot to do something decent and worth to the general community
I will welcome it. A bot that does something else than give you +o on your
precious channel can still record messages from your friends. AND... still
give you +o on your precious channel... wich the 900 other users of IRC don't
give a damn shit about.

Don't be so shortsighted... there are other people around. Not you and mrih
alone.

\Ruben.

-- 
        Ove Ruben R Olsen a Gnarfer and VI user. EMAIL: ruben@uib.no. 
     Maintaining the EX/VI-archive and a couple of the Comp.Editors FAQs.
    People that are ignorant tend to live a frustrated life, at least when 
     it comes to editing - But I do belive this is a general rule in life
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Re: help: how does channels got named?
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:31:24 GMT

>I am relatively new to irc, but interested in knowing whether those channels
>on irc is somehow standard (eg. hottub, sherwood etc) because I saw them in 
>most servers. Or channels names are arbitrarily given. 

ALL channel names are ALL over ALL servers... easy. There are no "standard"
channels. Those channels survive because because there are always clients
connected and wich is on those channels.
You connect to ONE and only ONE server and that ONE server should be your
NEAREST server, not the one in JAPAN :-)). From ONE server you are able to
see the whole irc.world.net. That is whay it's called internet RELAY chat.

>I am thinking of setting up a server for some special interest groups and 
>want to use their group names instead.

No need....

just /join #YourSigName  and that should be all you need to do.

Easy...

\Ruben.
(Say NO to unattended bots)


-- 
        Ove Ruben R Olsen a Gnarfer and VI user. EMAIL: ruben@uib.no. 
     Maintaining the EX/VI-archive and a couple of the Comp.Editors FAQs.
    People that are ignorant tend to live a frustrated life, at least when 
     it comes to editing - But I do belive this is a general rule in life
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: axl@cheshire.oxy.edu (W.AXL ROSE)
Subject: Re: baloo.doc..how to create a bot!
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:59:00 GMT

In article <SCOTT.92Nov8222012@sfi.santafe.edu> scott@sfi.santafe.edu (Scott D. Yelich) writes:

Very funny scott!!!
very funny...its only version .01 and I'm on 4.0! what it too?
I'll be ftping into your site soon?
fair is fair!
--Eli

and remember kiddies watch for that on <msg> <ctcp> <notice> "* <word> *" 
$3- 
oh no!! total control of my wittle puny account! ack
I'd hate to have
a logout in my .login eh?


Newsgroups: alt.irc.ircii
From: buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen)
Subject: Re: SMALL ircII client
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 14:16:50 GMT

>I'm looking for an IRC client that is < 200k... does such a thing exist? :)


Check out some of the Emacs clients. Or the working perl client.
The messy dos and the mac-trash is also less than 200K ...

But not ircII, never will be.

\Ruben.

-- 
        Ove Ruben R Olsen a Gnarfer and VI user. EMAIL: ruben@uib.no. 
     Maintaining the EX/VI-archive and a couple of the Comp.Editors FAQs.
    People that are ignorant tend to live a frustrated life, at least when 
     it comes to editing - But I do belive this is a general rule in life
From: cl209@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Asa E. Rossoff)
Newsgroups: alt.irc.ircii
Subject: Re: SMALL ircII client
Date: 13 Nov 1992 07:28:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cl209@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Asa E. Rossoff)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, buboo@alf.uib.no (Ove Ruben R Olsen) says:

>>I'm looking for an IRC client that is < 200k... does such a thing exist? :)
>
>Check out some of the Emacs clients. Or the working perl client.
>The messy dos and the mac-trash is also less than 200K ...
>
>But not ircII, never will be.

Thanks, Rubin.  Know off-hand where I can FTP the emacs clients or perl
client?

  ... Asa