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From: rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: _Best Destiny_ novel: Diane Carey can't write!
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:11:34 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
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jhitch@crash.cts.com (Jeffrey Hitchin) writes:

>	First of all remember that this is IMHO.

>	I read the two TOS novels and thought, sheesh, this woman is in
>love with Captain Kirk and is exercising her sexual fantasies about being
>around him and inhaling his presence.  Yeah, sure, right.  "His shirt fit
>too well, as the rec room lights glinted off his hair giving him the
>appearance of a Greek God."  Gag.

   Granted, her narration -- especially in the description of characters --
does get a bit heavy-handed at times.  It tends to give the impression
that you're reading some pulp romance instead of Star Trek...
   But I recently picked up a copy of _Best_Destiny_, and I'd like to
point out that I think she's improved on that aspect quite a bit.  I've
read through the first five chapters, and haven't seen any of that type
of unctious, dime-novel narration...
   She is also quite good at drawing the reader into the story during
the early chapters, something that the last several Trek authors need
drastically to learn.  The last Trek novel I read, I had to *force*
myself to sit through the first 3-5 chapters; I was completely absorbed
in _Best_Destiny_ after just 2...

>Next to John Vornholt's books and _Gulliver's Fugitives_, this has to be
>the worst TNG book ever.

   Have you read _Chains_of_Command_?  IMO, that one wins worst TNG book
ever, hands down...

>	(BTW, in case anybody cares, _Best Destiny_ replaces the novel
>_The God Thing_ by Gene Roddenberry and Michael Jan Friedman.  I'm hoping
>someone can explain the substitution.)

   Objections from the Roddenberry estate killed _The_God_Thing_.
And even if _The_God_Thing_ had been released, _Best_Destiny_ would
have been released too; it isn't actually a replacement.

RC Carman
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From: v116r8ac@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Chris Nasipak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Deep Space 9 - Buffalo
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:55:00 GMT
Organization: United Nations Intelligence Taskforce
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Anyone who knows when the Buffalo FOX station (ch. 29?) is to start showing
DS9, could you please e-mail me?  Thanks.

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From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Elementary, Dear Data
Date: 8 Oct 92 05:08:31 GMT

I just watched a re-run of this episode and I think it was one of the best.
It wasn't so much for the acting or the special effects, but more so because
of what was said.  This was the episode in which Data and Geordi programmed
the holodeck to that of nineteenth century London in the world of Sherlock
Holmes.  In the programming, Geordi accidentally mispoke the wrong words and
out came a real life (so to speak) Prof. Moriarty.  By the end of the show,
I began to realize what this episode reminded me of.  If the story were told
by the point of view of  Prof. Moriarty, then this episode would have been
more or less what Mark Twain's book, The Mysterious Stranger, was all about.
In this story, the main character is approached by Satan, a being, who he
later discovers, can control the world, its events and its times.  Then, at
the end of the story, he discovers, from Satan, that his existence, and the
existence of the rest of the world, is nothing but a dream.  He then also
realizes that this was true.  Now, think about what Moriarty must have been
thinking.  By the end of the episode, he discovered that Data et. al. could
in fact control "his" world.  That they could have ultimate control of his
life, and that his life, was in fact, nothing more than a dream.  A dream
created, if not by mistake, by Geordi.
However, this episode goes one step further.  It questions what it is to be
alive.  Prof. Moriarty at one point says, (paraphrased) "Is life: I think
therefore I am?  Because if it is, then I therefore am alive.  I have
consciousness, I can think.  Therefore, am I alive?  My existence, my
life does not matter to you, a pun which is intentional, for matter is what
I am not."


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"I drank what?" -- Socrates

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From: wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez)
Subject: Re: Episode Q-Me is no more!
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 22:44:03 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: wombat@pepsi.eng.umd.edu

In article <4272@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.114410.460@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
><In article <4263@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
><>
><>Name the only other ST:TNG episode to have the title changed AFTER it was
><>published in an official promotion department schedule.  What was the first
><>title and what was the new title?
><
><I wasn't around to see these press releases around second season, so these
><are only guesses.  Okay, was it "Send in the Clones" changed to "Up the Long
><Latter," or could it have been "Time to the Second" changed to "Time Squared?"
><Do I get  cookie? (-:
>
>You got them both.  I actually forgot about the second pair, until it was
>mentioned in a piece of e-mail.
>
>For this, you get TWO cookies.  You like chocolate chip.

Oh, I *do*, do I?  Yes, sir. (-:


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Jose Gonzalez
From: davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: nudity on trek
Date: 8 Oct 92 01:59:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Consilium Inc., Mountain View, California
In-reply-to: mfh@cbnewsb.cb.att.com's message of 7 Oct 92 12:42:45 GMT
X-Posting-Software: GNUS 3.13  [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ]

>>>>> On 7 Oct 92 12:42:45 GMT, mfh@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (mitchell.hansinger)
>>>>> said:

> In article <1992Oct6.112231.29722@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> amcmicha@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
> (Andrew McMichael) writes:

>>Now that the show "Civil Wars" has seen fit to go with a parental warning
>>and show us the greater portion of on of their female character's breasts,
>>how soon till :TNG follows suit?  I mean, if Marial Hemmingway [sp?] can
>>stoop to prime time nakedness, resident 'boob-queen' Marina Sirtis can be
>>capable of no less? Or perhaps some aliens who don't wear shirts?  Ratings
>>week must be coming up soon and we all know that everybody [trek included]
>>will do anything to get high ratings.  Any bets?

> What is this show Civil Wars?  When is it on?  What stations carry it?  I
> find it difficult to believe that a non-cable channel would show nudity
> during prime time.  Please post with any further info you can.

Civil Wars is the Mariel Hemingway vehicle about divorce court lawyers.  Its
generally been shown at 10pm on (I think) ABC.  The last episode had Mariel (a
partner in a small divorce lawyer partnership) being enticed into posing nude
for an artistic photographer who's had his nude displayed in art galleries ("I
photographed clothed people for my job, I photograph nude people for my art").
The posing scene was done in very flashy way and nothing was really shown, but
it was about as close as I've seen on primetime.  Normally, they use the bed
sheets to cover things up, but this was only her with her hands and legs
strategically placed for the photo shoot.

I, for one, think the trend toward openness should continue and certainly both
sexes could be involved (as I imagine they already are on the daytime soaps).
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From: rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: _The_God_Thing_
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:51:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: mik.rccarm00.719193118
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: rccarm00

mdp2842@ultb.isc.rit.edu (M.D. Perler) writes:

>rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman) writes:
>>   Objections from the Roddenberry estate killed _The_God_Thing_.
>>And even if _The_God_Thing_ had been released, _Best_Destiny_ would
>>have been released too; it isn't actually a replacement.

>I haven't heard anything about this. What were this book suppose to be about?
>Why did the Roddenberry estate object to it? I knew that Roddenberry was
>suppose to be a co-writer on it, so I would think that they would want one
>of his last projects to be released. Of course, since I know very little about
>it, I could be wrong.

From rec.arts.startrek.info:

From: hblurfru@spot.wrc.xerox.com (hassan blurfrushan escn-101)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.info
Subject: upcoming Trek books
Date: 13 Oct 1992 21:34:12 GMT


Pocket books has cancelled the hardcover "Star Trek: The God Thing" by Gene 
Roddenberry and Michael Jan Friedman, because of objections from the
Roddenberry estate.

RC Carman

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From: rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Subject: Re: TNG actors outside of TNG 
Followup-To: poster
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:26:30 GMT

YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:

>bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras) writes:

>   This topic has been around since I've been reading the net from about
>a month back, AT LEAST.  Perhaps someone has a full listing which they
>can post.
>                         Junsok Yang

    There IS a full listing.  It was posted just a little over a week
ago, and will be posted at the beginning of each month.  
    This topic has been around for much longer than a month, and is
not a thread that I'd like to see get started again, as what little
new information there is would not be worth the flood of redundant,
dated info that would be posted....
    The full listing is called the "Actors' Other Roles FAQ", and is
intended to solve this problem.  If you spot a Star Trek actor in some
obscure (or not) production which you think I may have missed, drop
me a line so I can add that to the FAQ.  But *please* don't feel 
obliged to waste bandwidth by posting something which is probably
common knowledge to a dozen (+ or -) other poeple....

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From: Stephen.Davidson@dartmouth.edu (Stephen Davidson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,dartmouth.rec.tv.startrek
Subject: Re: Relics (mistakes) ***SPOILERS***
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:56:14 GMT
 <1992Oct12.175237.28588@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
 <1992Oct12.202508.3901@njitgw.njit.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

In article <1992Oct12.202508.3901@njitgw.njit.edu>
andy@eies2.njit.edu (Andy) writes:

> I think it's been stated here quite a few times that the original
> bridge from TOS is currently on display in the Smithsonian in
> Washington, D.C.  Therefore, the bridge on "Relics" is obviously
> a very, very good replica.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Only the "Con" i.e. where Chekov & Sulu sat is at the Smithsonian. 
It's in 
*HORRIBLE* shape and if it's indicative of state of the rest of the
bridge it's unusuable.  My understanding was the the display at the
Smithsonian is the *only* surviving set piece from the bridge (aside
from a stray knob or so..) 

This implies that they recreated parts of the old bridge from scratch. 
I also recall from a post around the time that Doohan was interviewed
on CNN that the only part of the bridge they recreated was a small part
(or all of) the engineering section (roughly..)

Steve
Steve.Davidson@Dartmouth.Edu
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From: annie@fatboy.manassas.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Lore and Tasha: 2 questions
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 11:22:06 GMT
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

In article <1992Oct9.015821.9643@athena.mit.edu>, johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
|> 	Question 1:
|> 	Didn't Lore die when Wesley transmported him out to space
|> in "Datalore" from the first season? It seemed to be no question
|> that he was dead, as was his creator, Dr. Soong. Yet they both show
|> up in later episodes (which I have not seen). How is this explained?

In that later episode, Dr. Soong mentions that he had escaped before
the crystalline entity destroyed the planet.

|> 
|> 	Question 2:
|> 	Why did they kill Tasha off? (It's tomorrow night's episode
|> on the repeats here in Boston). I've heard rumours that Denise Crosby
|> was fired for posing in Playboy. Does anyone out there know the true
|> story as to why they killed her off?
|> 

I had heard that they killed Tashs off becuase Denise Crosby wanted
to have time for her film career.  So far I've seen her in two movies -
for about 5 minutes in the beginning of Skin Deep, and then in something
where she was a cop - the part I saw was pretty stupid.

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:52:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.ewright.718653160
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <Bvu5FB.HJu@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

>>Troi was mentioned in Disaster as a Lieutenant Commander.  However, 
>>various people associated with the show have explained her "uniform"
>>by saying that she is no longer an active duty officer but a civilian 
>>advisor.

>Who said that?

I think the first time I heard it was from one of the actors at a 
convention.  He said that Troi would be having a costume change the
next season because of her new status.


>If she was a civilian she would not have been allowed to take control in
>"Disaster".

If she was a staff officer (e.g., counsellor), she shouldn't have
been allowed to take command, either.
From: thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: "Relics" a bit choppy?
Date: 13 Oct 1992 20:21:16 GMT
Organization: Calfon Instut of Technlgy, Pas
NNTP-Posting-Host: chairie.caltech.edu


I don't want to start another massive useless thread, but I have a
question: Did the episode "Relics" seem somewhat choppy to anyone else?
Like more had been shot than used, then edited down (maybe just for
time) to a choppy-looking product?  Particularly...

(Semi-maybe-spoilers for "Relics" ahead)


(1) In the opening string of scenes (leading up to where the Enterprise
discovers the Dyson Sphere), when everyone seemed to act/decide a LOT
more quickly and decisively than usual (as though they were hurrying
through this introduction to get to the STORY...).  And...

(2) Later, inside, after the Enterprise discovered it couldn't bring its
warp engines back on line, and had about three hours before the star's
flare activity became too much for their shields, Scotty and Geordi
jammed open the hatch and suddenly the Enterprise had its drive back on?
(Think maybe they got drives back on line sometime between those two,
but the scene was cut (or not shot)?)


I had the impression that they'd shot a longer-than-one-neat-hour
episode, then trimmed it not-too-neatly down to fit inside of an hour.
(They probably usually do some trimming; it just looked really choppy
in places this time.)  (I'd like to have seen this as a longer episode,
anyway: a little more development with Scotty and the Sphere, a little
more interesting stuff IN the Sphere...  Oh, well.)

Comments?

(Just checking.)
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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 06:49:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct09.025229.18740@eng.umd.edu> clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles C. Lin) writes:
>
>   Has anyone ever watched the CNN show "Science and Technology Week"?
>I think the host of the show is ---- Miles O'Brien.
>

Yea, but what is his RANK???    :-> !

Probably Chief Lt. Newsreader, Science Division... or something.
From: fraser@cisco.com (Sean Fraser)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Ross Perot
Date: 15 Oct 1992 02:58:19 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Incorporated
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: stout.cisco.com

In article <1992Oct8.192548.3494@jpmorgan.com>, springer_jerry@jpmorgan.com (Jerry Springer - FIMS Sys Adm) writes:
|> Has anybody noted the facial similarities between Ross
|> Perot and a Ferengui?
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> -- 
|> Jerry Springer		Phone:  (212) 648-4907
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|> NY,NY 10260		External Email:springer@jpmorgan.com


Jerry,
     i have noticed two things that come to mine.  The height and those large cumbersome looking EARS!!!  Wonder if its good ole ross relatives potraying ferengui.  Hmmmmmm:-) 



						Frase Man
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: About Scotty's Return...
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:22:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: sarah.1992Oct14.222252.9353
Organization: State University of New York at Albany

In article <16880E3EF.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>   A lot of the problems arise because the age "McCoy" is given in
>"Encounters at Farside" (about 130 years old) does not seem to fit
>in with the post Trek VI timeline as stated in the Technical Manual
>and "Unification."  I vote for the side that McCoy's age in
>"Encounters at Farside" was a continuity error.  It's much too poetic
>not to be otherwise... [or to quote a quote from a math textbook,]

Considering the fact that Encounter at Farpoint was the first episode
and they have been retconning (is that a word?) their retcons at this
point, the issue of McCoy's age is not that major an obstacle.

Yasmin

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From: mscott@charm.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Mark Scott)
Subject: Blowing up the Borg (was Re: Mistake in Borg episode)
Reply-To: mscott@urbana.mcd.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:12:40 GMT

-- 

I just thought of a way that they could've blown up the Borg ship! Since
the Enterprise crew were allowed to beam aboard the Borg ship, why couldn't
they have beamed a few photon torpedoes on-board the the Borg ship, & then
blown it up from the inside? I'm sure someone will think of a reason why 
this wouldn't work, but I say it would have done it!


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From: jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Lay off Worf!" (MOTP Spoliers)
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:28:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: mac20-19.jgasaway-151092092252
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NCSA

In article <1992Oct14.194847.438@ncsu.edu>, rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT
HAMI BALLANTINE) wrote:

(stuff deleted)

> I agree. Worf could have easily stuck out his arms and ripped off the
> guards' heads.  If he had, he would have provoked an incident of which 
> the federation would have been held responsible.  

(stuff deleted)

I just can't keep myself out of this!  I am forced to respond by some
unknowable drive!

Picard was ALREADY going to provoke an "incident" for which the Federation
would be held responsible!!!!  He was ready to take the diplomat BY FORCE
back to the Enterprise in order to save Troi.  Granted, Worf would've added
to this by using violence of any kind -- but KIDNAPPING is a serious
"incident" in its own right.

James 
jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Univ of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign
From: grebo@ecr.mu.oz.au (Cruella_The_HellFire_Bondage_Babe)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: OLd YElLow EyeS is BacK...and he's bad
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:41:45 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia



I heard a while back that Brent Spiner (aka Data) recorded covers
of Frank Sinatra and stuff with Michael Dorn (Worf) as back up...

What label is it released on and can someone who's heard it post a
REVIEW!!!!

(No doubt it will be almost inaccessable over here or at best
 a whopping import price)


What will Brent do next ... Nirvana, Guns and Roses, Metallica 
(gawd everyone else is)    




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