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From: bthoms@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Going Topless/Nude in a Convertable
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:05:15 +1300
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Nov3.141801.11714@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, zateslo@geomag.gly.fsu.edu (Ted Zateslo) writes:
> In article <1992Nov2.233255.9055@octel.com> marc@octel.com (Marc Lewert) writes:
>>The question:  Has anyone driven topless or nude in a convertable with the
>>	top down.  If yes, what sort of area were you driving through and
>>	what were the reactions of other drivers on the road?
> 
> Back in 1982, on a cross-country trip, a female friend and I traveled
> through Death Valley nude in a '66 Dodge Dart convertible.  We didn't
> wear much clothing on the rest of the trip, but Death Valley was
> the only nude segment (except for skinny-dipping whenever we saw water).

I don't have a convertable, but this Sunday I did spend the day on a beach in
Auckland, about 120 km from the town in which I live. After the beach I went to
a fairly frantic aerobics class and started on the trip home just as it got
dark, feeling the pleasant afterglow of lots of sun and too much jumping
around. With all the discussion on this thread, I started to wonder about
driving home nude. The highway home is one of the busiest stretches of road in
NZ, and it's unlikely you'd get far during the day in any sort of vehicle
without causing a major rubberneck accident.

It was a warm night, and, having made up my mind, I got all the way home nude.
By the time I got there, it was late enough even to open the gate and unload
the car without getting dressed (but I do live in the country, just out of
town).

Of the experience as a whole, I want to list the pro's and cons:

On the down side, you have to think twice about stopping for hitchhikers, and
there is a niggling fear of being pulled over by a cop before having the chance
to pull on shorts. Driving in an ordinary car you don't much sun, and driving
at night you don't get any at all (although I'd got quite enough on the beach).

The pluses outweighed it for me: if it's warm and it's more comfortable to be
nude than dressed, and if you're stuck in a car for an hour and a half anyway,
it's a great way to travel. If you're worried about having to explain to a cop
who catches you speeding why you aren't wearing any clothes, driving nude makes
you a much more careful motorist. Driving nude at night pretty much eliminates
the risk of being seen (unless you stop at a particularly well-lit controlled
intersection). Driving at night in a hard-top car doesn't risk getting one arm
more tanned than the rest of you, too!

In my case, I also got to enjoy the full benefits of my sheepskin carseat
covers. Weird it may be, but I'm quite sold on the idea.

Brent Thomson (Waikato, New Zealand)
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From: petersonk@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: Berkeley's Naked Guy
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:37:41 GMT

I just talked with a friend in California... It seems that "The Naked Guy" at
Berkeley just got suspended from campus for two weeks.  There was some sort of
ruling passed.  Does anyone have more information???

Petersonk@skcla.monsanto.com
From: noid@nick.csh.rit.edu (i live in the dark)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Going Topless/Nude in a Convertable
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:35:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science House @ RIT

In article <1992Nov10.141422.18182@cbnews.cb.att.com> tel@cbnews.cb.att.com (thomas.e.lester) writes:
>    I have been told that in Pennsylvania it is illegal to drive without
>    shoes!
>
>    No other article of clothing was specificly required.  Shoes were required
>    supposedly because of the higher force you could exert for braking.
>    With todays power assist, it may not make sense any more, but it
>    may still be the law.
>
>-- 
>	-----------------------------------------------------------------
>	Tom Lester				att!cblph!tel
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the shoes law is also here in New York....

	it still has yet to stop me.......      
as far as other clothes i am not to sure....

	[time passes]
	[noid starts an argument/disscussion in the room]


nobody here seems to know if full nudity is illegal 
	one person mentioned that top free was illegal for women but someone
	else reminded him that NY just made it legal in public places   


only thing worth while was a quick story about working at a ROY ROGERS and 
	serving  nude man in the drive through.....

oh well   

-simply noid
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin)
Subject: Re:  Christian nudes
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:07:01 GMT

In article <1der1lINNmgv@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> gchatham@cats.ucsc.edu (Gregory Chatham) writes:
>
>As someone asked, I'm responding to a remark in my previous article.  For
>those of you who didn't read it, I made a reference to Jesus' sermon on
>the mount where he writes that anyone who looks upon a woman to lust after
>her already commits aldultery in his heart.  I didn't give any interpreation
>to this verse, I basically said..."consider this."
>
>What I DID NOT mean:  nudity = lust = sin.
>    As I had also quoted Genesis were many have remarked that nudity is
>    a natural state.  I agree with them.
>
>What I DID mean:  lust = sin
>    If nudity, or type of clothing (someone mentioned bathing suits) tends
>    to make some people lust (I am hoping we can take this as a given),
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^No,
we can't take this as a given, as it is not "naturally" true. This type
of lusting is learned behavior based on the society in which we live. Do
animals lust for one another? Do peoples in tropical climates who wear few
clothes lust for one another because of the clothes? Do nudists lust for
one another due to lack of clothing? No to all three. So it is not a given.

>    then I have to wonder about some "nude experiences" which involve many
>    "gawkers", and the like.  I AM NOT saying that the people going nude are
>    sinning because they are going nude.  I AM saying that other people may
>    sin because of it.  THIS is what I believe is wrong.  (see Rom 14:21 --
       So does this mean the nudists are sinning by implication, or by not
acting or what??? Since when must I take responsibility for what someone else
is thinking??

>    "It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor do anything that
>    causes your brother to stumble...")
>
>What I STILL DON'T MEAN:
>    That one should lock themselves in a closet, so as to keep everyone's
>    heart pure.  But I am saying that the concerns of those who havn't yet
>    reached your stage of "elightenment" concerning
>    the proper view of the body, need to be addressed.
	Exactly. The problem is where do we draw the line. That's always been
the problem with or without bring religion into it.
>
>The final word:
>    IMO: It would be better if nudists didn't reveal themselves
>    quite so fully to those who may sin because of it.
	You are welcome to your opinion and so are others. The sin is with the
gawlker, not the nudist. It the gawker that (according to you) sins if they
lust. Why should I have to change my behavior because of something inside
someone else--it's not my problem it's theirs, and yours.

KAC

Opinions? Can anyone actually _have_ opinions or are they no more 
than dust motes floating in the sunlight of collective intellect.

Kenny A. Chaffin                      {...boulder}!uswat!ken
U S WEST Advanced Technologies         ken@dakota.uswest.com
4001 Discovery Drive  Boulder, CO 80303	     (303) 541-6355
 

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (John Blasik)
Subject: Re: NEW: rec.nude FAQ
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:02:42 GMT

Mark.Cornick@launchpad.unc.edu (Mark Cornick) writes:
>
>We've already got an FAQ, compiled by Steve Pierce... or did Steve pass it
>off to you?

Steve is making some changes to the FAQ and hopes to have it back on the
net by Oct 15. Patience please.

-- john
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: News Item: County Council Rebuffs Anti-Nudity Measure
Keywords: nude government laws
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:04:08 GMT

mturner@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Mark Turner) writes:
> [ unanimous council decision to reject nudity ban at
>   Teddy Bare Cove ]

My impressions: 

o too bad that some council members consider their public service 
	a "career" (my anti-incumbent fever is 103);

o this hateful and wrong-headed notion that a nude beach
	automatically excludes or is offensive to families;
	people who make such comments demonstrate their
	lack of knowledge of exactly who visits nude
	beaches, including families; what rubbish!

o opponents usually trot out the charge that 'someone
	did something offensive', yet fail to provide
	evidence or substantiation of it; the same
	thing happened at Chincoteague; no police records
	back up the claim;

o people who simply stumble across nude beaches are
	object cases strengthening the position that
	signage is appropriate, and sometimes needed;

o it's OK for opponents to demand that no money be spent
	for offensive nude sunbathing, but those who
	are offended by suggestive bathing costumes
	must foot the bill for that trash; either
	we fund all or we fund none.

Clip and save for future such battles, coming to
a beach near you.

-- 
bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: staylor@fudd.rtp.dg.com (Steve Taylor)
Subject: Re: Going Topless/Nude in a Convertable
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:11:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Data General Corporation 

In article <1992Nov10.141422.18182@cbnews.cb.att.com> tel@cbnews.cb.att.com (thomas.e.lester) writes:
>    I have been told that in Pennsylvania it is illegal to drive without
>    shoes!

This may be urban folklore, but I have always believed it.  (And not just
in Pensylvania.)

On the one occasion
I was stopped by the police while driving nude, I was as eager to get into
shoes as pants.

(I made it.)  He:  Are you blind?  Didn't you *see* me?
Me:  Er, ah, puff, puff, Isn't the speed limit 45 here?

I was so obviously flustered that he accepted my ignorance, and gave me a
warning.  The speed limit wasn't 45, but I drive that stretch 10 times a
week, and had always thought so.  I *thought* I was driving more carefully
because nude, especially because I *had* seen him in plenty of time...

On the other hand, I was once warned by a cop (incorrectly, I suspect, but
he seemed perfectly friendly as I shirted up) that it is
illegal to drive without a shirt in NYC.  We drivers are not the only
people subject to folklore.
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Berkeley's Naked Guy
Date: 10 Nov 1992 18:40:23 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <> petersonk@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>I just talked with a friend in California... It seems that "The Naked Guy" at
>Berkeley just got suspended from campus for two weeks.  There was some sort of
>ruling passed.  Does anyone have more information???

I heard a radio news report that U.C. Berkeley made a rule against nudity
because of complaints about the naked guy.  One report I heard that I wish
someone could confirm or disprove is that he was spending time hanging
around the womens dorm areas at night.  Implication being that he was not
just passing through on his way from point A to point B and that was what
was causing most of the complaints.  Anyone know about this?
From: abel@vax.sonoma.edu
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Newest Nudist ;-)
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:27:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: vax.1992Nov10.162707.1
Organization: Sonoma State University

In article <29728@ursa.bear.com>, millman@indigo.bear.com (Phillip Millman) writes:
> 
> OK, OK, I realize that this is knd of silly (but considering this
> group lately we could use a laugh and a smile.)
> 
> On Oct 24, 1992 at 2:56 am, Bluma Sarah Millman came into this world
> naked as me at Black's Beach.   :-)

MY GOODNESS!  Were there a lot of people at Black's Beach to watch 
the birth?  Was there a midwife?
> 
> Stats:
> 	7.5 lbs.
> 	20 inches (and all lungs!)
> 

Seriously, congratulations!
Xref: sparky rec.nude:5562 alt.config:6865
From: john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (John Blasik)
Newsgroups: rec.nude,alt.config
Subject: Re: Help kill our Thread!
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:11:35 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!

kendal@umbc4.umbc.edu (Mr. Kendal Stephen; ACS (C)) writes:
>
   Mr. Kendal's summary of the "child porn" "debate" deleted

>
>I read a suggestion on a.b.p.e.d that maybe the pictures could be
>posted on alt.tasteless, or rec.nude, were it at all feasible or
>appropriate.

Binary postings to discussion groups are never appropriate.

Scans from naturist mags or snaps of your family on the beach
would be inappropriate in alt.binaries.pictures.tasteless as well.
(unless, of course, part (or parts!) of your family was eaten by sharks :-)

>I have to be honest and admit to having no idea as to
>to the correctness of the proposed idea.

Good for you.

>I confess, I'm a little tired of seeing the Child Pornography thread
>on a.b.p.e., and I apologize for my hypocrisy in shoving it onto your
>newsgroup.  But if *anyone* has any ideas on a newsgroup that exists
>that postings of that type may be sent to without undue static, or if
>in your opinion pics of that nature may be sent to this newsgroup with
>impunity, PLEASE post the information on a.b.p.e.d as soon as is
>convenient.

That's ok.. cuz I'm dumping it to alt.config where it belongs :-)

My suggestion is to send nudist/naturist type pictures to
alt.binary.pictures.misc. If you do this or plan to do this, you
can drop a pointer to rec.nude so readers who get the picture groups
can have a look.

Can anyone tell me why they would not be appropriate for that group?

-- john
From: ccaamrg@ucl.ac.uk (Mike Gahan)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Going Topless/Nude in a Convertable
Date: 13 Nov 92 12:53:25 GMT
Reply-To: ccaamrg@rs6-svr-2.cls-4.bcc.ac.uk (Mike Gahan)
Organization: UCL

I have heard that in the state of Iowa (or is it Idaho) it is (or was)
forbidden to travel on public transport within an hour of eating
garlic. 

Mike Gahan
From: beigel-richard@cs.yale.edu (Richard Beigel)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Newest Nudist ;-) ;-)
Date: 11 Nov 1992 01:04:48 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: beech.theory.cs.yale.edu



Phillip Millman writes:
>On Oct 24, 1992 at 2:56 am, Bluma Sarah Millman came into this world
>naked as me at Black's Beach.

It's just this sort of activity that gives nudism a bad name.  I think
that giving birth on the beach is very irresponsible.  More offensive
than conceiving on the beach.  How dare you!

:-)
-- 
Richard Beigel			telephone:  (203)432-1228
Dept. of Computer Science	email:  beigel-richard@cs.yale.edu
P.O. Box 2158, Yale Station	campus mail:  A. K. Watson Hall
New Haven, CT  06520-2158		      51 Prospect Street
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: "jim clements" <jim.clements@canrem.com>
Subject: handicap access at re
Reply-To: "jim clements" <jim.clements@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:24:51 EST

>I've been lurking for some time now (on and off for a couple of
>years), and one topic I've never seen discussed in this group is that
>of handicap access at nude resorts.

>In my particular case I'm in a wheelchair, yet very independant.
>I'd like to know what kind of barriers I might come across if I were
>to vacation at one of the many resorts discussed here.  Has anyone
>ever thought about this?  Have you seen other wheelchair bound naturists
>in your travels?

>The kinds of things that would make it difficult: narrow hallways,
>narrow doors, high steps up into buildings, stairs, rocks, woodchips,
>sand (dirt and grass is OK), inadequate washroom facilities.

Brian, you might look into The Four Seasons Nature Resort at
Freelton, near Toronto. A person in a wheelchair spent a summer
there several years ago and managed. In fact I've been there in
a wheelchair (for a few days only after a severe accident) and
got around with occasional help.

Since then the fascilities have been upgraded and now include
wheelchair access to such as washrooms, indoor showers and the
main building which houses the pool, whirlpool, solarium and
restaurant/nightclub.

You may still encounter problems that weren't thought of when
the renovations were done but they should be minor and probably
could be overcome handily with the help of management and the
members.

The outdoor areas are grass and hard-packed gravel roads, with
a large paved parking lot and a cement sun patio that you should
be able to handle easily.

And Four Seasons is open year around although most of the
activities are indoors at this time of year <G> -- nice as
it is, it is still in Canada. Cheers!
---
  DeLuxe 1.25 #4703  
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ran@cbnews.cb.att.com (Robert A. Neinast)
Subject: Re: Going Topless/Nude in a Convertable
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 12:50:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.141422.18182@cbnews.cb.att.com>, tel@cbnews.cb.att.com (thomas.e.lester) writes:
> I have been told that in Pennsylvania it is illegal to drive without
> shoes!

>	Tom Lester				att!cblph!tel

Sorry (well, actually, I'm not sorry at all; I like driving barefoot),
this is not true.  According to the AAA Digest of Driving Laws,
barefoot driving is "permitted" in every state, except for Ohio,
where it is "not recommended", whatever that means.
(I can just see the legislature sitting around with nothing to do,
"Gee, I don't feel like passing a law today, let's pass a
`not recommended'". :-) )

Bob
-- 
                                                                  _
". . . and shun the frumious Bandersnatch."                 Nipetlahuini.
Robert Neinast (ran@cblpo.att.com)
AT&T-Bell Labs
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: jc@fulcrum.co.uk (John Callingham)
Subject: Re: Nudism in surrey, England
Organization: Fulcrum Communications Ltd., Birmingham, England
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:25:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.160433.13784@specialix.co.uk> kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza) writes:


	   My wife and I used to hang-out at red-rock near SanFransisco
	   till we came back to England. Anybody know of any places
	   or social groups in south-east England ? I know about 
	   Brighton beach - but it's not the kind of family atposphere
	   we're looking for. If anybody can help - please post it as
	   there may be others in this part of the world in the same situation.


Try Shell beach near Studland, Dorset
--
John Callingham                                         (jc@fulcrum.co.uk)

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: jop@wang.com (John Payne)
Subject: Info on Rottnest Island (AUS) wanted
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:31:05 GMT
Summary: Need contact for accomodation on Rottnest Island
Keywords: Australia Rottnest

Hi, I will be in Perth WA towards the end of February and would like to stay
on or near the nude beach area on Rottnest Island.
Info in the world guide is a bit sketchy.  Does anyone know if there is a nude
resort or other accomodation (such as B&B) near the nude beach, or anywhere
else suitable on the island.  Tel No and any other info would be welcome.

Thank you.
-- 

 
John S. Payne            | Opinions and views expressed herein are my own
Wang Laboratories Inc.   | and are in no way to be construed as those of
jop@wang.com             | Wang Laboratories Inc.
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin)
Subject: Re: Chrisitan nudes
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:07:17 GMT

In article <1dclpcINN3pk@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> gchatham@cats.ucsc.edu (Gregory Chatham) writes:
>
>
>
>I'm just visiting here in rec.nude, but I'm curious to see the thread
>on Christian nudes.  I can appreciate the feeling of freedom associated
>with going nude.  As someone pointed out on this thread, God made us nude,
>obviously intending for us to live that way.  Unfortunately, we tend
>to hide things from each other and from God.  Hence the need for both 
>clothes and also emotional barriers.  To those who keep quoting Genesis,
>please remember that this story addresses a man and his wife, not the 
>general public.
>
>Addressing those who call themselves Christian,
>   Consider the following from Jesus' famous Sermon on Mount
>
>   "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after
>   her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
>
	Hey, Greg, lighten up. Nudity does not equal lust. Please read some
of the other threads here concerning that topic. You can't just jump in the
river without knowing something about it--otherwise you're gonna drown.


KAC

Opinions? Can anyone actually _have_ opinions or are they no more 
than dust motes floating in the sunlight of collective intellect.

Kenny A. Chaffin                      {...boulder}!uswat!ken
U S WEST Advanced Technologies         ken@dakota.uswest.com
4001 Discovery Drive  Boulder, CO 80303	     (303) 541-6355
 

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Going Topless/Nude in a Convertable
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:33:02 GMT

v024971@plato.lsvl8.stortek.com (Robert J. Waddell) writes:
>I have been told that it is perfectly legal to drive a motorhome nude now. Does
>anyone have any facts on this? 

I wasn't aware that it was necessarily ever illegal. This kind
of thing is local to the state or county, anyhow.

Assume that if you are not going out of your way to distract
other drivers, then you're OK. If a police officer stops you,
use your judgement. Seems the further west you go, the
cooler authorities are, in general.

I do remember about two years ago, a county commisioner type
in Florida was stopped by a police officer. The female politico
was wearing only a shirt and remarked to the officer that
"it's not illegal to drive nude." I guess she should know,
being a lawyer type. Funny, that.


-- 
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