From: moore@uhibpd.phys.uh.edu (Lorra L. Moore)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:16:52 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <exuptr.337.714255422@exu.ericsson.se> exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.141416.17804@menudo.uh.edu> moore@uhibpd.phys.uh.edu (Lorra L. Moore) writes:
>
>>Prolifers are great at bringing children to term... and then they tend
>>to dump mother and unwanted child out into the street to fend for
>>themselves... or they end up on welfare and the rest of us pay for their
>>existance.  
>
>Sad but true.  This will change, though.  Frankly it's the only way for
>the pro-lifers to succeed.  We're being rather hypocritical if we don't
>follow through, and no one listens to a hypocrite.
>
>'Cept maybe the news media.
>
>>Want to know what happens to unwanted children that aren't
>>planned on and really wanted by healthy people?  Listen to the news.
>>when was the last time a baby was found in a dumpster? Last week, a
>>month ago?  Well, the prolifers helped bring it to term.  
>
>So did an irresponsible mother, don't forget.  The babies don't just
>materialize out of the political soup.

oh, I know... and accidents never happen.  Birth control works 100% of
the time.  Isn't that a nice fantasy to live under.  Ever been inside an
abortion clinic when you weren't preaching or carrying a bomb?  Ever
listened to the 16 and year old women that are tearing themselves apart
because, even though they were on birth control, they still are finding
themselves faced with this decision?  I have been inside one, and
listened to their stories.  Out of 8 women sitting in a waiting room 7
of them had been on birthcontrol when the conceived.  

And besides (I actually love it when pro-lifers use this argument cause
it is so silly when you actually step back and look at it), this young
lady was obviously to irresponsible to use birth control, so, what do
the pro-lifers want to do? Punish her for her actions by saddling her
with a baby for the next 18 years.  Oh, I am sure, over night, she will
find enough responsibility in her soul to care for this child and
herself.... NOT.  Do pro-lifers simply not care for the quality of life
these children are going to have to endure?  Do they simply not think
about it at all and live in this fantasy that they are doing some
greater good?  

>Your implication is probably correct.  Some of these instances would
>probably have been abortions.  My contention is that neither solution is
>a good one.  So rather than give someone a choice of abortion, let's give
>them plenty of palatable, living solutions.  And don't tell me it will
>never work.  That kind of negativism is part of the problem.

I have an idea.  Before you try to make abortions illegal, why don't you
put these palatable, living solutions into place?  Then, as an after the
fact, you can say 'But see, there are these other solutions that really
work really well and have for years, so now we can do away with
abortions because it really is for the greater good.'... But no,
pro-lifers aren't interested in solutions... they are interested in
domination and forcing their opinions, values, and religious beliefs on
others.  

>>Aren't they
>>proud of themselves?  Just think, they brought it into this world so it
>>could suffer.. .what a noble cause [This is sarcasm for those that
>>missed it].
>
>Just think...the mother conceived it so that it could suffer in the hands of 
>a physician or in a dumpster, alone...what wonderful choices.

well, considering you have no evidence that an unborn baby is sentient
at all during the first two stages of pregnancy and I have more than
overwhelming evidence that a child is sentient after birth, I personally
would choose that we not let it suffer a slow miserable death when we
are sure that it can feel every minute of it.  Man, you are really
sadistic.

Lorra