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> Fibreglass that has been applied with epoxy resin is Extremely hard to
> remove.  Heat is about the only thing that works, but you have to be very
> careful.  A hot-air heat gun is best; heat from the fibreglass side, while
> pulling gently on the glass.  It won't be easy; possibly, you could remove
> all the 'glass that's loose, smooth off the rest, and paint the whole
> thing.  It's a shame what people do to wooden hulls - fibreglass should
> never be applied, as an attempt to save an old hull, because it almost
> never is successful.

I have removed fibreglass from the hull of a sailing dinghy built with
marine ply using a hot air gun used for stripping paint and it is
effective. One word of caution don't get overenthusiastic and apply too
much heat. 

I also removed epoxy varnish from the deck of the same boat using the
hot air gun and a paint scraper, again care is needed not to gouge the
wood, but it can be done and once it was sanded back and revarnished it
looked really great. As with any job the more care, time and effort you
put into the preparation the better it looks when it's finished.

Chris Romans
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From: heon@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (garry.j.heon)
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Keywords: Sails, mufflers, wetsuits, whipped cream, fire trucks...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 18:56:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.011240.5046@phri.nyu.edu>, roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes:
> bbatchel@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Ben Batchelder) writes:
> > Should one person have the right to pollute the surrounding envrionment
> > for 50 square miles. (area of a circle pi * r squared).  That's a pretty
> > big area.  Think about it.
> 
> 	I think that sums up the basic difference between sailboats and
> powerboats.  A powerboat is much more invasive of its environment; it
> generates noise and wake which are heard/felt a considerable distance from
> the source, dumps smoke into the air, and sometimes oil into the water.  A
> sailboat's impact on its environment is largely the space it occupies.
> Granted, a sailboat generates a "wind shadow", but that's usually only of
> concern to other sailboats (in fact, in sailboat racing, wind shadows can be
> a tactical weapon).
We can take this environmental impact a long way.  I don't draw much water,
far less than a fixed keel sailboat.  The impact of a recent dredging of
a local sailboat mooring caused more damage to the local stripped bass
population that a 100 years of my loud boating.  Especially since it
was done during spawning season this past June.  I realize this was not 
directly caused by a sailboater but it was caused by your need to moor
your boat.  Not to mention the impact to the birds living on the island
that the muck was dumped on. We are both here to stay and we both impact the 
environment around us, either directly or indirectly.

Enough flames on power vs sail.  I tried to get some useful feedback
so that I could make adjustments in my boating behavior.  Rather, all I 
got was I hate loud boats or people who drive loud boats are assholes or
loud boats should be outlawed.  Face it, we are here to stay and there's
nothing you can do to change it.  So how 'bout something constructive
so we can get along.

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Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wednesday, 30 Sep 1992 13:20:08 MST
From: <ATLEM@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
 <1992Sep30.164350.13191@news.eng.convex.com>

Regarding sailing into a downwind slip:
I would never sail into a down wind slip if the breeze pushing
on the transom only was enough to push the boat too fast. I would
find an upwind slip that was empty (I make a note of empty
slips before going out, and present economic conditions have
resulted in many empty slips on Harbor Island) or I would come
along side the boat at the end of the pier facing upwind. One time
I anchored in the freeway outside the finger and waited for the wind
to change.
My friend Kathy once sailed into the gas dock and called the local bar
for assistance because she knew her friends would be there.
When I first began sailing in San Diego bay, I noticed that about an
hour or two before our planned return to the slip, the skipper would
get very quiet and contemplative. I finally asked what he was thinking
about. He was visuallizing all that might go wrong as we tried to return
home, and was devising a plan to accomodate those occurances. Which way
is the wind blowing? What will the traffic be like? Which guest should
I put on the tiller? etc. He does that every day he sails, and now I do
too.
In light breezes I can sail into a downwind slip by dropping the main
long before entering the finger and using jib     alone to approach
the slip. Be sure to untie those figure 8s at the end of the sheets
because they will have to be fead all the way out to depower the
sail. We don't have a furling jib.

Lauren
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From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: Catalina 30 (WAS: Request for advice ... Cruising sailboats)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 03:32:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.224336.4373@SSD.intel.com> joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark) writes:
>
>I own a Catalina 42 that was built in December 1989.  It stays in the water
>year around in the Puget Sound, Washington State, (USA) except for 4-5 days
>each year when it gets the hull power washed and repainted. As of last week
>there have never been any blisters.  Our purchase of this boat new included
>a 5 year warranty against blisters.  I figure Catalina has as good a chance
>of being around for 5 years as any other sailboat builder(maybe better).

Only if they don't have a rash (heh) of blister problems.
 
Seriously, though, while I respect your experience, I think that the only
valid measure is a statistical one. Blisters are caused by the handling
of the boat and the conditions during curing. One boat from the same line
can be great, while others can be awful. That's why I'm hoping to see
some clarification on the Catalina 30's problems in this regard. 
 
Does anyone remember Valiant Yachts? They are notorious for severe,
structural blisters. As heavy cruisers, a number of shoestring
sailors lost everything to these boats' blistering problems.
Valiant responded by selling out and by going bankrupt. Someone
else picked up the line, and even though everyone KNOWS it's a
problem of manufacturing, not design, I think they had real problems
with using the Valiant name.
  
So if the record shows that Catalina 30s have a problem, it bears
consideration, and caution, and questioning. 5-year warranties can
go away real quick when the manufacturer has to make good on too
many of them. While anecdotal evidence of problem-free boats is
interesting, they only make a difference if you're buying THAT
particular boat.
 
Greg

From: fog@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Larry Fogelquist)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 16:12:21 GMT
Subject: Re: It's Fall. You know what that means...
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
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From: gerard@progress.COM (Gerard Bras)
Subject: Re: GPS
Keywords: Happy
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:39:59 GMT

keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins) writes:



>Terry,

>Would you recommend GPS over Loran.

>I'm new to this boating thing and have used
>neither GPS nor Loran, but will be acquiring
>one of these devices soon.  GPS is usually
>noted as superior to Loran.  And it sounds as if
>your happy.  Have you used Loran before??  Can
>you make a comparison??  Is GPS worth the extra
>money??

>I don't plan to sail around the world, but sailing up
>to Block Island, Martha's Vineyard, Cape Cod, etc
>would be nice.

You didn't ask me but you did ask publicly so I'll just
jump in.  IMO, for what you want LORAN will work to 100%
satisfaction at a fraction of the price.  They are both excellent
systems, with GPS having a few advantages.  On the other hand GPS
still costs at least three times as much.  Unless you are going
offshore beyond LORAN range or need the precision of GPS it's up
to you whether it's worth the extra bucks.

cheers,
gerard
From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:20:49 GMT
Reply-To: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsuch.ebay.sun.com

In article 125027ATLEM@ASUACAD.BITNET, <ATLEM@ASUACAD.BITNET> () writes:

> One other thing. We never motor anywhere without halyards hooked up and
> sails ready to be hoisted at a moments notice, should we loose our
> engine power.


Really good advice.  Another good argument for roller furling.  The third summer
I had my Catalina 27, the exhaust system decided to self-destruct while we were
motoring in the Delta.  The waterways are fairly narrow, and there is wind and
current to deal with.  When the exhaust system died, we quickly and easily
unrolled the jib and sailed to a dock to check out the damage.  Had we had to 
get a sail cover off, rig a halyard, and raise a sail, we would have spent some
time in the mud or on the rocks.

Jeff Huntington
From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Nav lights quiz
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:38:59 GMT
Reply-To: dwl@watson.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM

In article <1992Oct4.035032.10556@phri.nyu.edu>, roy@mchip00.med.nyu.edu
(Roy Smith) writes:
|> 	A quiz question taken from real life.  You see 3 lights stacked one
|> atop the other in a straight line.  The bottom one is red, low down near the
|> water, the upper two are white.  You don't have any sense of scale, but you
|> can see that the vertical spacing between the two white lights is about the
|> same as between the bottom white and the red.  What kind of vessel have you
|> spotted?
|> 
|> 

Hmm. Well, it doesn't match anything reasonable, so for starters, assume that
there's something wrong with the picture. (A light out, or an extra one on.)
Before doing much else, I'd figure out how it's moving in relation to me. 
Is it on a collision course, how fast does it seem to be closing. You've
got enough
information to judge most of that. 

After making sure we're not about to run into
whatever it is, then you can figure out what it is. Two whites stacked,
could be
a tug with something burned out. It can also be a trawler or fisher with
a broken
color filter. Are there any adjacent lights that might indicate
a barge? A pair of binoculars is probably also called for, can you make out a
loom?  What do the lights look like? the vertical string of lights on most
tugs is pretty bright, a lot brighter than most of their running lights.
Most of the tugs on long island sound have a necklace of yellowish lights at
deck level (Often brighter than their running lights) 

In terms of extra lights, this can be the classic jerk with both
running, steaming
and anchor light on. It doesn't add up to much that I've seen on
commercial traffic,
such a fishing boats.


David W. Levine --  dwl@watson.ibm.com  -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
                   -- My Opinions, IBM's hardware. -- 
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts when you have forgotten your
aim" - George Santayana
From: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: sailing simulators
Keywords: moonpies, happy froooopy froods, toaster wemonomen, TCP/IP  protocol, y
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:17:15 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@sandr.com (Robert Parkinson)
Organization: S&R Software, Incorporated

In article <1992Sep27.200522.11274@ms.uky.edu> clagett@ms.uky.edu (Bill Clagett) writes:
>Does anyone have any information on any sailing simulators?  remember
>seeing ads for a commercial one several years ago.  I also see them
>mentioned in ads in the sailing magazines.  (I think North Sails puts
>one out.)  If anyone has any comments on sailing simulators of any
>type, commercial or public domain, I would be very interested.
>
>Thanks,
>Bill

I have the North Sails simulator. It's odd. Primarily, it is an excellent
sail shape and rigging tension simulator. You can change just about
everything that affects sail shape, and watch your boatspeed and
performance change in real time. That part is neat.

Also, you can race against a user-defined number of other boats,
on either a windward/leeward or triangular course. You can set how
well the other boats will be raced, in levels. That ranges from
not any boat has a hope of beating you, to they're all faster than 
you. You have an overhead view of the race course, and you can
zoom in and out. Zooming out makes time pass more quickly, to something
like 1 second = 1 minute or so, zoom in and you're in real time.
You steer, trim and ease main and jib, set spinnaker on downwind
legs, etc. There a nice one key tack feature, up-arrow I think.
There's an autopilot, which will keep you the same number of
degrees off the wind. You can set weather. 

The racing part of this package is poor. It pays no attention to
rules. There is no prestart maneuvering, all the boats are lined
up like in a hoserace. You can start early, and the program
doesn't care. You can t-bone somebody while on a port tack,
drive right over other boats, anything you want. Not very
realistic stuff. 

I'll sell you my copy cheap. 

Bob
bobp@sandr.com
From: dave@rsd.dl.nec.com (Dave Rogers)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Catalina 30 (WAS: Request for advice ... Cruising sailboats)
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:47:55 GMT
Organization: BINJFBA Society

In article <1992Oct5.022701.4839@netcom.com>, greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough) writes:
|> True on both counts. The Catalina 30 has "worn well" in a number of
|> different ways; the boats themselves seem to be standing up quite
|> well over the years, and the design seems to be holding up.

This especially true of older Cataline 30s.  However, since 1986 the
Cataline 30 has the highest incidence of owner problem reports of *any
boat* sold in the US according the the Coast Guard.  The Coast Guard
maintains an 800 number "owner's hotline" to input and request
information about particular boats.  The figures are published perodicly
in Boat/US Boating and Equipment Reports.  Most of the complaints about
the Catalina 30s have to do with blistering. 

===============================================================================
Dave Rogers                    				       
M & R Software, Inc.
Internet:   dave@rsd.dl.nec.com
On contract to: NEC America, Radio Software Dept

Don't take life too seriously; you're not going to get out of it alive anyway.
From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Sailing into a slip
Date: 1 Oct 92 11:52:57 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Oct1.101237.9937@cs.brown.edu> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:

>In article <1992Sep30.164350.13191@news.eng.convex.com> henry@convex.com (Lee Henry) writes:

>>By the way how do you slow down when you have to sail down wind into
>>your slip and you have a pretty good breeze pushing you along?  My slip
>>is just about even with the end of the gas dock so I don't think I could
>>use my anchor to back myself into the slip due to the traffic.

>Someone else suggested doing a quick 360, which is a nifty idea. I've gotta
>try that (in open water) sometime to see how well it works...

I suggested the 360 circle, but I forgot to mention that while you
are doing it you should drop your sails, the main while nose to wind
and the jib after you know that your momentum will carry you to the 
desired course. If it is blowing you will gome down the wind the
last yards with bare poles and do not accelerate too much for you to 
handle it.

- Lauri Tarkkonen
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From: WEBER@JEDI.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Kevin Weber)
Subject: Re: USCG AUX Flotilla 49 requests your old flares
Followup-To: rec.boats
Organization: 78-30
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 23:59:37 GMT

In article <2935@news.cerf.net>, leggedav@nic.cerf.net (David Legge) wrote:
> 
> there was a thread here recently asking what to do with all those expired
> flares.  Well, our USCG Auxillery flotilla will be conducting a flare
> firing exercise before the end of fall.  I do not have a date yet, but they
> have asked for any flares and related equipment that can be donated to the
> exercise.

I wonder what the post office thinks about mailing flares. I would think
that might be illegal.  But we won't tell. Just be sure no-one also send
you a clock or perhaps a compass in the same box. An x-ray would look
mighty suspicious.

Good luck with your test. 
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From: jpuente@dit.upm.es (Juan A. de la Puente)
Subject: Spain Snipe Nationals
Organization: UUES, Asociacion de Usuarios de UNIX, Spain
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:11:26 GMT

1992 Spain Snipe Nationals

The 1992 Spain Snipe Nationals were held at Santiago de la Ribera, on
the Mediterranean coast, between the 20th and 26th of September. There
were 82 entries. A total of 7 races were held, with olympic courses.
The winds were rather strong (force 4-6), from E (most days) and S
(Tuesday and Saturday) and choppy water.

The event was won by Carlos Llamas and Javier Gutierrez, the current
European Champions. The first positions were:

1. Carlos Llamas & Javier Gutierrez (Malaga)
2. Fernando Rita & Antonio Andreu   (Mahon)
3. Oliver Gongora & Angel Prieto    (Malaga)
4. Sebastian Mesquida & Pedro Pons  (Ciudadela)
5. Damian Borras & Jose M. Lluch    (Mahon)

The Snipe class has almost 450 registered boats in Spain (third largest
number in the world after the USA and Japan). It has experienced a big
growth in the last years, and many of the top Spanish sailors, including
most of the Olympic team at Barcelona, have sailed Snipes at some time
in their lives.

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From: wes@ice.stx.com (John Shepherd)
Subject: Re: Catalina 30 (WAS: Request for advice ... Cruising sailboats)
Reply-To: wes@ice.stx.com
Organization: Hughes STX, Lanham, MD
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:57:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.202421.13658@netcom.com>, greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.174755.9275@rsd0.rsd.dl.nec.com> dave@rsd.dl.nec.com (Dave Rogers) writes:

[stuff deleted]

> >
> >This especially true of older Cataline 30s.  However, since 1986 the
> >Cataline 30 has the highest incidence of owner problem reports of *any
> >boat* sold in the US according the the Coast Guard.  The Coast Guard
> >maintains an 800 number "owner's hotline" to input and request
> >information about particular boats.  The figures are published perodicly
> >in Boat/US Boating and Equipment Reports.  Most of the complaints about
> >the Catalina 30s have to do with blistering. 
>  
> Is that *number* of reports or *rate* of reports? I'd expect that if it's
> raw numbers, it would be artificially inflated by a relatively high sales
> rate, compared to other boats.
>  
> On the other hand, there is *no excuse* for osmotic blistering in newer
> boats. The causes and cures are well-known, and relatively easily applied
> during manufacturing. Particularly in Southern California!
> 
> If all else fails, a prophylactic (ya gotta love that word in this context)
>  barrier (even better word  :-) ) coat could be applied at the factory.
>  
> Given that information, I CERTAINLY would apply same prior to launching,
> if I were buying a new Catalina 30! On the other hand, I might also 
> hesitate making it the boat of choice.

I stopped working for a Catalina dealer about 1986(?) and just before I left
was when the big stink about blisters on fiberglass boats seemed to become
a major issue. As a result, Catalina started coating the hulls with some
form of "prophylactic barrier". If I remember correctly it was standard on
all models. You could get the trailer boats without it but I don't know 
which was standard for those, with or without. I'd be interested to here
about the statistics for boats produced after thay started doing this.

Any experiences of blisters on late model Catalinas?



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From: boebert@sctc.com (Earl Boebert)
Subject: 1927 Issue of _Yachting_ Sought
Organization: SCTC
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:18:38 GMT

I am seeking a copy (xerox will be fine) of pages 75 and 76 of the
August 1927 copy of _Yachting_ magazine.  These pages were cut from
the original that was microfilmed by University Microfilm (now UMI),
which is the version in most libraries.  I need someone who may have
access to a (unmutilated) hard copy.  Copying charges and postage
cheerfully paid.  Email boebert@sctc.com if you can get your hands on
one long enough to copy these pages.  Thanks.

Earl
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From: advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel)
Subject: Re: How common is overheating from no cooling water?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 07:13:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.050921.19431@mdd.comm.mot.com>, zintel@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Zintel) writes...
>Last weekend my wife said "the engine's on fire". The good news is, it 
> 
>Sad similar stories might cheer me up in a sad way. :-)
> 
A few years ago, my first time out in the boat after it had been laid up for a 
while, I had what I later found to be a faulty thermostat on a Ford gasoline
marine engine. The standard instrument set didn't include a temperature 
sensor at all. The water was flowing out OK, it just wasn't going through the 
head. Every couple of hours the engine would quit. The last time it happened, 
we we motoring up the Fraser in the dark (no wind, as usual) and saw a rather 
large dark shape coming towards us. It turned out to be a freighter with tugs 
looking for a wide bit in order to turn around. After some frenzied 
hooting on our part, one of the tugs came over and towed us to the side of
the river where we anchored. When the engine cooled down, we were able to
make it home OK. 

--
Andrew Daviel, Vancouver, Canada 
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From: walter@watson.ibm.com (Walter Wilson)
Subject: Re: Loud Boats (Was: Re: Novice boaters)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 00:27:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Keywords: Sails, mufflers, wetsuits, whipped cream, fire trucks...

>>environment (I hope).  If I'm 10, 15, or even 20 miles out and there's
>>no one within 20 miles am I still creating noise pollution?  

The whales can hear it, especially if it is an underwater exhaust (I gather from
reading this newsgroup that there are such things).

Walter
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