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From: bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER)
Subject: Position Ratings
Originator: bsricker@c00471-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: bsricker@eos.ncsu.edu (BRIAN SCOTT RICKER)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:02:24 GMT


Hi Guys,

To Start a little controversy, I've decided to list my Top 5 at each
skill position. You should note that I grew up in south Florida and lived
in Houston for 5 years. 

Running Back:
    (1) Thomas - There is NO better all around back in the game.
    (2) Sanders - There is NO better pure running back in the game.
    (3) Emmit - Anyone with 4 consecutive 100 yard games against the skins
                has to be included 
    (4) N. Anderson - If things are settled with Ditka, Neal will return
                     to the top 3.
    (5) T. Allen - A reach ... but 140 yards on 12 or 13 carries, not bad

W.R.:
    (1) Rice - Nuff said
    (2) M. Irvin - He's good enough to make Aikman seem like a quality QB
    (3) E. Givens - A true burner ... Will shine big time this year
    (4) M. Haynes - Sorry Andre, but your only the second best on the 
                    Atlanta roster
    (5) G. Clark - Like Irvin, he's good enough to make Rypien look great

Q.B.:
    (1) Marino - Simply amazing with the offensive lines he had to deal with.
                 Destined for the Hall of Fame
    (2) Kelly - Another Miami boy ... 
    (3) Moon - Think of what career numbers would be like if he had played
               his whole career in the NFL
    (4) Miller - With his recieving corp, he'll put up numbers few can match
    (5) Nagle - The only young quarterback with star potential

Well, there you have it.  I anxiously await comments and criticisms.


Cheers,
Brian

P.S. Can you believe I scored two tickets for the PSU - U of Miami game ... 40
     yard line ... I can't wait !!!!!!!!!
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Who's got the toughest schedule?
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:34:03 GMT

dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
>>Not a huge difference, in my opinion.
>
>Yeah, but that's deceiving.  

What is deceiving?  The numbers are numbers.  I suggested not to take
them seriously.  So who's deceiving whom?

>Applying math to the situation like this is really pretty senseless, 

It's senseless to think that one set of numbers has the answer.  It's
sensible to look at the numbers and ask what they mean, if at all.

>but
>the above nonetheless indicates some sort of truth, I think.  That truth
>is:  statistics DO lie, and are pretty much meaningless overall.

Statistics don't lie.  People lie, or more often, people misunderstand,
misuse or abuse statistics.

If you don't think that math and statistics are applicable in real
life, go ahead and do your voodoo.  But I know that I will be careful
about buying Tandem products...


--Gidi
From: wlittle@nmsu.edu (Wes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Final Scores from Week 1
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:19:24 GMT
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

Ha!!  And the road to the Super Bowl Begins!!!

Go COWBOYS!!!!
Wes
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From: dbrown@boulder.Colorado.EDU (David Brown)
Subject: Dish is back!!
Keywords: Dishman signs
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:24:50 GMT

The Houston Oilers have signed Chris Dishman to a two year contract.  I 
think that he reported to camp yesterday (9-10-92).  Also signing was OL
Mike Gisler.  Unfortunately, I have no information concerning the expectations
on when the Dish will be activated, but it would not surprise me to see him
in Sunday's game vs the Colts.  I'm unsure why the team picked up Gisler - I
thought that the coaching staff was pleased with the 7 or 8 OL they have on the roster.  Now, if only Sean Jones or William Fuller would sign and get to work,
the defense would be ready to turn up the heat.
david

  :wq
From: greco@sun.lclark.edu (Peter Greco)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Instant Replay
Summary: bad calls
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:37:45 GMT
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In an post re: "Instant Replay", bggreenberg@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Brian
Greenberg) writes:

> ...takes way too much time, but  I think it is a great addition to the game.
>
>         I do however think that the NFL should do this allow each team to
> have two calls looked at per half.  It must be a reasonable play so that
> they cannot use them as time outs.  Also to avoid this only allow two
> time outs per team per half.

I think that each team should be allowed to use one timeout per half to
review a play of their choosing.  This adds a little spice to the game by
making a coach weigh the decision, especially when it involves a 2nd half
timeout.

Though it might be unfair to penalize a team for zebra mistakes, how else
can the time factor be solved?

-- 
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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Rypien to Clark ... TD
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:09:40 GMT

Gary Clark reels in a 16-yd "lob pass" from Mark Rypien on 3rd and 2,
extra point is good.

Drive: 6 plays, 34 yards, 3:30 elapsed

SCORE:		Atlanta		 7
	    2   Washington	21	4:47 left in the 1st half

Darrell Green is now part of kickoff coverage, in the wake of Deion
Sanders kickoff return.

Falcons, with 4:41 left in the half, do NOT have an offensive first down ...


Bob - National Defense II  ??

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From: bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley)
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders
Originator: bradletm@rastaban
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:26:16 GMT

From article <BuBLy4.JFB@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, by bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason):
> Why is it that when people talk about the cut-back running of Smith,
> they have to compare him to Sanders, who  did NOT invent the damn
> style.  (Anyone remember Sayers or Marcus Allen?)
> 
> All in all, it's real tiresome to hear Sanders as some kind of
> measuring stick.  I listened to the Bears/Lions game, and one of the
> announcers said, "There's no one else in the league that can run like
> that" as we watched Barry elude several tacklers and carry a couple
> for more yards.  give me a break.  Hyperbole gets tiresome even  in
> football announcing.
> 
> Give Emmitt his due--he's as good as Sanders and deserves his own
> measuring stick.  I think Emmitt will outgain Sanders AGAIN this year.
> 

	I'm tired of those people who put any running back up against
Barry.  Barry is the best and those fans of any other RB will have to
wait until something bad happens to Barry.   As for outgaining Sanders
again this year...it could be.  As far as I'm concerned, Smith could win
the rushing title for the next five years, but he will never be as good
as Barry.  Sorry dude.  I know how much you don't like what I'm saying,
but the truth hurts sometimes, dammit.

					- Tim
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From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: Summerall/Lundquist/Madden (was: Re: NFL Announcers)
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:48:26 GMT

In article <jjonsson.146@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu writes:
>I wonder how many of you noticed that the 49er/Giant game was done by Vern 
>Lundquist and John Madden, not Pat Summerall. Does anyone have the scoop on 
>Summerall, is he back in Alcohol treatment again?
>
>
My, my.....he's doing the U.S. Open.  He'll be back with John as soon
as it's over.

schalene

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From: robert@landru.mtc.ti.com (Robert Treese)
Subject: Re: Giants/Cowboys: 34 points barely suff*ice*
Keywords: n
Organization: Manufacturing Technology Center, Texas Instruments, Dallas
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:16:13 GMT

In article <190b1vINNh5n@news.aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>
>* the special teams were average... 'average' for the Cowboys that 
>is and spectacular for the rest of the league.  Two blocked punts 
>(Norton up the middle, Gant from the left) and a good return game 
>by Ace and Martin.  Kick coverage (which got a lot of work) was 
>very good although the kicks were short.  Bates made 3 straight 
>kickoff tackles between the 15-25 yard line.

They did play well, but I hope they can stop depending on them to
win games.

>* Kenneth Gant was left out of my summary last game, and it was a 
>major oversight.  He had a good game last week, but had a great 
>game today.  He tackles and big plays on running and passing plays 
>were something special.  Not only is he a demon on special teams, 
>but he is backing it up on every down now.  Gant had a sack too.

Looked good but his coverage skills still scare me.  I think he gets
a little to aggressive when covering people and will bite on fakes.
Good game Kenny.


>* Lin Elliot is gaining the confidence of this writer <= I've always 
>wanted to write that <=, he had 4 extra points and 2 30+ yard FG.

He tried kicking to the right side of the field.  That is where the
better coverage guys are and that is what they did so successfully
last year.  When they let him go after it the ball goes into the 
endzone but always a little left.  The Cowboys might need to adjust
their coverage.

>THE BAD:
>
>* The Dallas defensive line appeared to give out much earlier than 
>they should have considering their depth.  Casillas, Tolbert, Lett, 
>Jones and Lett were invisible.  Haley and occasionally Jeffcoat 
>provided the only DL spark.  Maryland DNP.

Remined you of last year?

>* Ike Holt did not make as many big plays as possible, but that is 
>* Novacek dropped a key pass.  IRVIN DROPPEN TWO MORE, 
>and the lack of training camp is showing.  To be fair to Irvin, he 
>came back and caught the 3rd and 8 pass that sealed the game on the 
>same play that he had previously dropped.  The defender was 
>playing 12 yards off him.  Harper was invisible, and Wright rode 
>the pine the entire game.  Jerry Rice Irvin's not....

Nate made a comment in jest last night on a TV show.  "If you (Mike)
make 1.2 million a year you better catch those."


Everybody keeps saying that the Cowboys just let up.  Well I look at
it like this - they were outplayed in the second half.  No excuses.
The offense sputtered most of the first half and almost all of the 
second half.  The defense was picked apart in the second half.  This
team has improved and the victories have been sweet, but they still
have a lot of room for improvement.

Robert
From: csuah@warwick.ac.uk (~WISP at CU~)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,dc.redskins
Subject: Re: Isn't it time to change the name 'Redskins'?
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:25:01 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

In article <12SEP92.20160452@vax.clarku.edu> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:

[Lots of drivel about changing team names (towhit the Redskins) deleted...]

Not again! For God's sake, let's keep the bandwidth for football, not this PC
crap...

The Wisp. [donning asbestos underwear...]
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From: rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu (Ronald Fedkiw)
Subject: Re: Buffalo television
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 01:17:28 GMT

In Article 28093, v130pwbq@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (xxxx), writes ...
                  ^^^^^^^^
>Believe it or not i'm from this area so take chill pill. I just don't
>understand why this FUCKING city must always exclude other games from telecast
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>this also includes NBA games. I would have liked to see the Jets lose their
>first game, but this FUCKING city must have decided to make the choice for
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>us. And if you can't tell I HATE the Jets.

First of all, from your login id, I assume that you are some worthless 
undergrad, peon child.
Second of all, if you don't like Buffalo, then get your sorry ass the
fuck out of it.... a good place for you might be Afganastan.


--
Ron Fedkiw (rfedkiw@redwood.math.ucla.edu)

A plan is made by someone who is sitting and thinking ...
while others are doing.
From: amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: O'DONNELL TOP RATED QB!!
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:30:16 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Neil O'Donnell is the AFC's top rated passer after one week.  Pittsburgh will
be saying Bubby Who?  very soon.

But, Bubby is still the man!
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From: GC.JAB@forsythe.stanford.edu (Tony Bechtold)
Subject: Re: Niner's look good (IMHO)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:30:08 GMT

In article <ELM.92Sep7010852@joyride.berkeley.edu>,
elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller) writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.231518.6602@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>[...]

>=>I realize this is only the FIRST game of the season, but if the
>=>Niner's continue, they will be unstoppable.  The Giants looked truly
>=>out of synch.  It is hard to tell if this is due to their inability
>=>or SF's defense and pressure on Simms.

>I saw the game too.  The 49ers are in trouble if they play a team
>which is better than the Giants.  The Giants are a team in decline,
>yet they still managed to pressure the QB and did a passable job on
>defense.  The Giants have *never* had much of an offense, so the 49ers
>didn't have any trouble stopping it.

As I remember, the 49ers scored 31 points against a defense that is
considered quite respectable.  If Rice hadn't been in motion on that
one touchdown, and the 49ers kicked a field goal instead of opting
for trying to punch it in on the 1 yard line, you could tack on
another 10 points to their already 31 points scored.  And the Niner
defense had a pretty good game themselves. How exactly do you figure
that the 49ers are in trouble???
Yes, the Giants did have a great pass rush on Sunday. But then don't
they usually have a pretty good pash rush?  And their offense did
manage to gain over 300 yards on the Niner "D"  I can count at least
twice in the game to where the Niners went into a prevent defense.
The 49ers played at a much higher level than I had anticipated for
that game.
The 49ers offense in not in question this year.  But their defense
is.  Next Sunday's game against the Bills will be a true test for
the Niners.  If they can shut down Jim & Co, they will be awfully
hard to beat this year.  And don't forget that the 49ers always
play up to the level of competition they face.

>The true test for the Niners will come next week when they play the
>Bills.  I'd be surprised if the Giants manage to stay above .500 this
>year, given their 6 games against the Cowboys, Redskins, and Eagles.
>
>ethan

Yes, the Giants had better wake up really fast, or they are in for a
VERY long season.

Now lets all chime in together Giants fans. HANDLEY MUST GO!!!!!!
HANDLEY MUST GO!!!!!!  HANDLEY MUST GO!!!!!!

                                                   Tony
                                                GO 49ERS!!!
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Subject: This week's major picks...
From: desert@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (Desert Man...)
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:38:13 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Univ. of Arizona...,TSN, AZ...
Keywords: Go 'Boys... 
Nntp-Posting-User: desert

So far 1-0 (Dallas/Wash)...  This week's:

		Dallas     24    The other team  19

		San Fran.  21    Buffalo	 17

D Man...
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From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: 49er/Bills
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 02:36:36 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In <1992Sep14.003242.1493@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:

>In probably the most entertaining game of the day, the Buffalo Bills'
>offense outlasted the 49ers' offense, winning the game 34-31 after

Sheesh, it is just me?  Am I the only one who finds this type of
offensive shootout, with no defense by either team, to be just as boring
as a defensive struggle that ends in a 3-0 win?

I was reminded of the days when San Diego or Miami could score 40-50
points, and *still* lose.  There was *no* defense shown by either team,
except, perhaps for the final stand by the Bills to keep the Niners out
of field-goal range on the last drive.  (It helps that Cofer's
field-goal range seems to be about 15 feet.)  :-)

Actually, the most surprising thing about this game was how *low* the
final score was.

Buffalo's offense earns an A, SF's offense earns an A-.  Buffalo's
defense earns a D, and SF's defense earns a D-.  I would not be
heartened by this game if I were a fan of either team.  (Hmm, gee, I am
a fan of one of those teams--how 'bout that...)

Still, even with lousy D, Buffalo earns a checkmark in the W column. 
When it comes down to it, that's what really counts.  Buffalo is used to
having lousy D, and rising above it.  SF may have to learn to do the
same if they want to get anywhere this year.

Cheers to Marv and the boys, who've proven time and again that they can
win on offense alone.  Jeers to Seifert, who's let most of the SF
defense move to LA to play wearing silver and black.
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From: tokuno@milton.u.washington.edu (Ken Tokuno)
Subject: Re: The Niners are the favorites.
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:42:55 GMT

jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:

>In article <WLITTLE.92Sep9153918@dante.nmsu.edu> wlittle@nmsu.edu (Wes) writes:
>>Maybe I will believe that when the Niners beat someone of playoff
>>caliber!
>>
>>GO COWBOYS!!!
>>Super Bowl '93!
>>Wes

>Food for thought:  Maybe America will believe it when the
>Cowboys win a SB before the decade is over.  How long has 
>it been?  The Cowboys have alot more to prove than the Niner's.  
>Hint:  make sure and wear your setson, I think the sun is 
>affecting your thinking. :-)
> 
>Oh yeah, in the meantime, I will wear my cowboy boots. : -)
>-- 
No 49er fan who remembers the 3 straight losses to Dallas in the play-offs
of the early 70s will ever root for the Cowboys.  They used to be #1 on my
despised teams list, but I always respected their players and Tom Landry. 
They were a class act and I always dreamed that Sa Francisco would have a
team like that.  Some dreams come true!  Now it is time, IMHO, to give
Dallas some credit again.  See the SI Pro Football Issue.  Dr. Z sez that
the Cowboys might be the team of the 90s and I'm afraid he could be right.
 I'm beginning to think they really pulled a move in getting Haley for a
second and a third draft pick.  
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From: beegle@ftp.phy.uab.edu (Earthbound)
Subject: Re: Updates??
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:13:22 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.044841.660@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:
>If the net was 'live wire' news I would find it nice to have 'updates' posted
>about games. BUT IT ISN'T! It seems like a very big waste of bandwidth to post
>8-10 (or more) updates about games in progress since by the time most people
>get them they know the score and have even seen highlights.
>
>Just my .02 cents worth.
>
>Eric
>

Well sorry that you are just WAY too busy to be bothered by an additional
8-10 articles that you can easly skip over, but some of us were traped
writting a proposal that had to be gotten out today and could not afford the
time to be sitting around our house trying to do our best impersonation
of a person trying to meld with their sofa. I for one am INCREADABLY thankfull
for the person (Bob?) or persons who were trying to bring about a little
sanaty to my day....

Thanks again for the WONDERFUL updates you all did...


-- 
Luke
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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: Tampa Bay Bucs question
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:56:44 GMT

In article <14SEP199209425940@summa.tamu.edu> burt@summa.tamu.edu (Burt Juarez) writes:
>There was a player with the Bucs last year named Robert Wilson.  Does anyone
>know the status of this player.  Is he on injured reserved or was he cut
>from the team?????  I've checked the stats for the 2 previous games, and he
>didn't seem to play!   Help.
>

Robert was cut in favor of Alonzo Highsmith.
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From: melissa@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Melissa C Merrill)
Subject: Vikings 23 Packers 20
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 20:44:53 GMT


	Wow great game today at Lambeau Field. Vikings won 23-20 in OT.
	Herschell who? Terry Allen had approx. 140+ yds rushing, and
	Roger Craig looked good too. Next up the Lions, in Detroit,
	who lost today against the Bears. That will be a real good test
	for this yound Viking team. 

							Mark
							GO VIKINGS!
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: The Run-n-Sputter
Organization: Clark University
Date: 10 SEP 92 16:28:38 GMT

The run-n-shoot can be effective with the right personnel (Houston last year,
Detroit is getting there). I don't think the biggest question is "can they
win outdoors" or "can they win on the road?" I'm skeptical because I think
a team hurts it's chances by limiting itself to certain players and
formations. Generally speaking, opposing teams know what to expect, and no
matter how talented the team is, if the same 3 or 4 players carry the burden
of having to score all the points week after week, it's that much more deadly
when one or two of those players has an off day.

If I were a coach, I would certainly pass alot more if I had a good receiving
core, but I wouldn't limit myself to the run-n-shoot.

Bart
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