From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: deja vu?
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:07:47 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
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In <1992Sep30.215957.4903@mprgate.mpr.ca> nelson@mprgate.mpr.ca writes:

>  In article <1992Sep29.205951.21617@news.iastate.edu>, jrheroni@iastate.edu (John R Heronimus) writes:
>  
>  |> I've experienced deja vu hundreds of times, and I'm sure everyone else has
>  |> too.  However, I had never experienced a deja vu where I remembered that the
>  |> source of my memory was a dream!  I don't want any of you to think that only a
>  |> few of the images from m|> y dream were in that chemistry room over 3 months
>  |> later, the whole dream was acted out right before my eye's.  Even the
>  |> instructor was the same guy who was in my dream...he was new that year.  Has
>  |> anyone else ever had an experience like this..
>  
>  I have, several times (some of which I would like to discount).
>  
>  They tend to be snippets of reality, 5 - 20 seconds long,
>  that fit between completely unrelated dreams. To date,
>  the shortest time between the dream and the incident
>  has been two weeks, the longest about three months.
>
>[deja-vu dream description]  
>  
>  I have had many more since that time [1983], and each time the
>  dream is more and more vivid and focused.
>  
>  NOT that I anticipate that a particular dream will happen. It is just 
>  interesting when IT DOES.
>  
>  Pretty innocuous, boring snippets, too.

I know this effect, too. Let me tell a thing from the same milieu John
was referring to.

I was dreaming of several unrelated things that got fit together some
days later. There was one image of me getting into a discussion with
some other people about the town of Braunschweig [which I never had
been to before, and I had no relatives or acquaintance there either]
and basically listening interestedly (as I did not know the town).

Then I went into a computer-equipment store [not a common thing back
then in 1985, especially not in the rural area where I lived] to take
a look at the things they were selling. You had to go down a stair
into the exhibition room. I can not remember more details, except what
the room looked like (especially the entrance, which became
important.)

I did not take anything of that dreams for serious, as perhaps most
peple would not. But two or three days later my father told me that he
was considering sending me to a boarding school in *Braunschweig*,
which was the first point when I thought: 'Uh, didn't I dream about
that lately??'

I went to that school for a week of tests and exams, and walking
through the railway station in Braunschweig I thought again I had seen
that already somewhere. One special thing caught my eye: a strip of
billboard lights at the station's exit with a city's welcome message.
I thought I could remember this particular thing from a dream, but was
not sure.

The most important thing was in that school: there was a computer
room, and to enter it you had to pass a door and going down a small
stairway... that looked *exactly* like in the dream.

>  But what scared the HELL out of me were a pair of dream snippets that
>  happened before/occurred during my trip to Australia and Fiji.
>  
>  The detail is not important, boring stuff, BUT
>  the bizarre circumstances that led me to each instance
>  made me wonder a LOT about pre-destiny...
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^
>  
>  I would prefer to forget that they happened. To do otherwise
>  would be to admit to something that I don't feel comfortable with...

Why focusing explanation on this (from an atheist's point of view)
worst possibility? Or would it be better to start with precognition?
:-) 

>  
>  (I haven't noticed any since that time. Perhaps it scared me too much!)

You do know the feedback loop of *fearing* dreams and *getting*
dreams, don't you? Sometimes this is a positive loop, like getting
nightmares from fear of nightmares, sometimes (in this case?) it may
get negative... (where the therms positive/negative are reversed when
it comes to the effect of course :-)

>  
>  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  "I didn't read your mind, I just knew what you were going to say..."

This is usually the feeling one gets. Perhaps nobody can imagine what
'reading other's minds' might be *like*, perhaps because the process
of telepathy (if it exists at all) is just not understood and may as
well manifest in this way. But it always leaves that amount of
uncertainty that you simply can not tell whether you really had this
feeling or just imagine that you had it...


MfG,
        Olaf
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