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From: l00017@eeyore.stcloud.msus.edu (Networking Research)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Which 486 computer to get?
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:08:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: msus1.1992Apr8.050807.348
Distribution: usa
Organization: Saint Cloud State University

In article <1992Apr7.093644.24371@wndrsvr.la.ca.us> andyb@wndrsvr.la.ca.us (Andy Brager) writes:
>rsy@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Richard Sy) writes:
>>Gateway - (poor customer service, but a lot for the money, heard of
>>           some incompatibilities with the ATI Grahpics Ultra card)

	I've had nothing but great service from Gateway.  They're somewhat
slow to respond, but that tends to happen when you're shipping over a thousand
units a day, and don't have all that many people, they're swamped.  Sure, the
ATI Ultra graphics card can be a bit incompatable, but Gateway will happily
change it for one of the Diamond SpeedStar+ cards, probably at a discount
(around $150).  The Speedstar isn't as wicked fast as the Ultra, but it's one
of the very fastest of the non-coprocessed SVGA cards, and is quite respectable.

>>Insight - (don't know much)

	I haven't heard too much about Insight, and I haven't dealt with them,
but what I've heard has been good, and the prices are very good.

>>ZEOS -   (they already have the dx50 out)

	This is probably an irrational personal bias, but I just don't like
Zeos.  No real reason I can pin down, probably my own problem.

>Northgate - Fabulous tech support and customer service. 
>		They bend over backwards.

	This is true.  But add: Expensive, and Financially Troubled
(Northgate laid off 17% of it's workforce a few months ago, plus there have
been a number of articles describing how poorly they are financially, plus,
I've heard (note: not substantiated!) that Microsoft has refused to ship
them any more software until they pay off their existing debts with MS)
I'd personally stay away from Northgate. ('cept I'm kicking myuself for
missing their warehouse liquidation sale...)

	If I was buying for myself, I'd probably go with Insight.  For a
company I reccomend Gateway (and have done so, with very good results).  

-Mark Holden
l00017@eeyore.stcloud.msus.edu
From: friesenda@skyfox.usask.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: RE: Minimum number of 4Meg SIMMs?
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:24:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: skyfox.6APR92.08244443
Organization: University of Saskatchewan

In a previous article, ebath@vax1.umkc.edu wrote:
> 
>I have heard, not from "real authorities," that the 386 and higher machines
>must have 1M SIMMs placed in groups of four so that it can write to four at
>a time to get the 32-bits.  If this is true, do you also have to have 
>multiples of four chips for 4M SIMMs?  In short, can you order a machine
>with four meg in the form of one 4Meg SIMM?
> 
>Just wondering.

I pretty sure you can't, but I could be wrong.  My motherboard, 
according to the manual, has 2 memory banks, each with 4 SIMM sockets.
It also says that al four sockets in a bank must be filled, and filled
with the same SIMM type; ie I cannot mix 256K, 1M and 4M SIMMs in the
same bank.

I've only seen the inside of a couple of 386's (all were set up like
above), so I can't say for sure that this is a standard, but it seems
reasonable.

Just my $0.02 worth.


Darryl Friesen
friesenda@sask.usask.ca
Univ. of Saskatchewan
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 12:51:52 EDT
From: <GTI@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Wanted: Information About connecting a 6157-001 Tape Backup

    I have an IBM 6157-001 External Tape Backup, and I would like to see if it
works.  I would like to connect it to an IBM PS/2 Model 60.   I think this
drive connects to the external Floppy Drive Connector.  Is this right?
I think I also need some software.   If I do, what is the name of the software
and IBM part Number(if you have it).     I know this drive is actually
a Cipher Model 540, and was designed for the System/36 IMB Computer.

If you have any information about connecting this drive, please send me
e-mail.


                           Greg
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ong@a.cs.okstate.edu (ONG ENG TENG)
Subject: Re: WORLD-WIDE SHORTAGE OF 3.5" DISKS
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 14:26:24 GMT

From article <1868@wrdis01.af.mil>, by swsmith@wrdis01.af.mil (Scott Smith):
> Hello Netlanders,
>         I contacted a mailorder company yesterday to purchase some
> 3.5' ds/hd disks. They told me that there was a three week delay on
> all 3.5 disks due to a world-wide shortage. I've seen these disks in
> Walmart/ K-mart for about $12 so what gives? By the way, these 1.44MB
> disks cost $.55 each in lots of 50. They been used once and bulk
> erased, come with the standard disk guarantee, and are already
> labeled.
>         Sure this is a great price, but is there really a shortage on
> 3.5 disks? Wasn't there a worldwide shortage on harddisks last month?
> What's next?
>         If anyone else has heard of the "world-wide" shortage, please
> let me know.

I read rumors in the trade papers saying that even Borland had to beg
Microsoft for some 3.5HD disks for their production use.
From: seybert@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian Seybert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: 386DX-40 MOTHERBOARD QUESTION
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:37:23 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

I am interested in getting a 386DX40 motherboard. The one I am currently
looking at is a MAGITRONIC brand with the OPTI chipset. It has an AMI BIOS 
and an AMD processor. Has anyone has had any good/bad experiences with this
board?

I am also looking at a Math-Co for this board. Is CYRIX a good choice?

All responces are greatly appreciated.

-- 
Brian Seybert - Purdue University - seybert@ecn.purdue.edu
From: stolk@fwi.uva.nl (Bram)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: affordable 24 bit colour
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:32:14 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

Hi there,

In my search for the ultimate in graphics card technology, I came accross
a neat new card.
Does anyone on the net have experience with the 'Diamond Speedstar-24'?
It features 1024x768/256 but also 800x600 in 64K colours, and top of
the bill: 640x480 in 16 Meg colours (yep that's true 24 bit colour :-)

And guess what... it comes for half the price of a 8514.
Sure, it is probably slower, since it does not feature graphic
coprocessors. (It uses the good old ET4000)

The price is 567 DM and is reviewed in C'T
I am attracted to the 24 bit mode, not for the higher graph quality
(hardly noticable over 16 bit colours) but for the nice and simple
memory layout: 1 byte each for R,G and B
That makes all my graphics software very elegant.
What remains is the question how it will handle Linux and X11.
Should be compatible, since it does plain super vga (ET4000) right?

Any of you guys 'n girls got any comments on this card?

	Thanks in advance,

				Bram Stolk
				stolk@fwi.uva.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: wilson@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Bob Wilson)
Subject: Re: Minimum number of 4Meg SIMMs?
Summary: Not motherboard's fault!
Reply-To: wilson@math.wisc.edu (Bob Wilson)
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 16:49:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.220921.14865@animal.gcs.co.nz> lchiu@animal.gcs.co.nz (Lawrence Chiu) writes:
>I've got the same problem. My first four sockets are filled with 1Mx9
>which gives me 4M. I would like to get more memory but am torn between
>getting 4 more 1Mx9 for a total of 8M or 4 x 4Mx9 for a total of 20M.
>I'm torn because I can't afford the second option(!) but am not sure
>if the first ill give me enough for Windows and OS/2 2.0. It's a real
>nuisance they way they build motherboards these days.
>
(deletions to save space...)
There seem to be some real misunderstandings about how computers work.
The 386DX and the 486 expect to be able to get info from memory, or
store in back, in 32 bit chunks. That's the main reason they're called
32 bit processors, and that the '286 is a 16 bit processor. The 386SX
is sort of in between, having the register set of the 386DX but only
able to get 32 bits from memory by doing two 16 bit accesses. That is
the reason it is slower than a DX at any given clock rate. So you got
a DX or a 486: Presumably you didn't do so in order to have its speed
crippled.
A mother board for a 386DX or a 486 COULD be designed to take 32 bit
memory interactions and stall the processor while it made up the 32
bits out of two 16 bit transactions with real memory, but that would
trash the speed. Instead the board takes the 32 bit bus from the
processor and connects it to 32 bits worth of memory. An Nx9 SIMM for
any N provides 9 bits of storage, generally used for 8 bits of data
and one of error checking. Thus the 386DX and the 486 need to be
connected to 4 SIMMS at a time to get 32 bits. If you have multiple
banks the address will determine WHICH 4 SIMMS, but there still need
to be 4 SIMMS.
The same reasoning shows that 386SX's and 286's need SIMMS in pairs to
get their 16 bit memory interface.
In any case the only way the motherboard manufacturer could give what
people are asking for is by making your DX or your 486 imitate a 286
every time it goes to memory. You'll wait a while before you see that,
and nobody would buy it if somebody made the mistake of building it!
Bob Wilson
wilson@math.wisc.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: russest@ampex.com (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: Old harddisks in new PC !?
Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:33:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.151227.4242@oce.nl> jri@oce.nl (Koos Rietveld) writes:
>So now I can pose a question to all the PC wizards and guru's out
>there :
>I have an old harddisk from a so-called CPT-SRS. It's an full-height
>WREN disk with the following numbers : Equip. I.D No. BJ7D5-A, Series
>code 02, Part No. 77731603, Serial No. 007931.
>Koos Rietveld.

WREN, also CDC :

BJ7D5A-608  49msec, 29mb,  5 hd, 670 cyl, 17 sect

BJ7D5A-613  49msec, 30mb,  5 hd, 733 cyl, 17 sect

BJ7D5A-614  36msec, 23mb,  4 hd, 670 cyl, 17 sect

Try all three.

-steve
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: dwilliam@sorceress.ess.harris.com (David Williams)
Subject: WANTED: Seagate ST01 SCSI cont. programming information
Organization: Advanced Technology Department, Harris Corporation
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:32:47 GMT

   I am starting a project in which I want my PC to communicate with intelligent
peripherial devices over a SCSI port.  I happen to have a Seagate ST01 controller
laying around in my parts bin, so it will be my SCSI port.  Here's the 
question:  Where can I find informatino on how to send commands out over
the ST01's port?  I suppose I need information on the BIOS calls available
on the card.

    Is there a public domain source for this sort of thing?  Mail me your
information and I will post the answers, if anyone else is doing this sort
of thing...


      Dave Williams
        dwilliam@jabba.ess.harris.com
           "Huh?  What?  Could you repeat the question?"

-- 
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        dwilliam@jabba.ess.harris.com
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: ong@a.cs.okstate.edu (ONG ENG TENG)
Subject: Patch for Sound Blaster v1.5 w/33MHz or 40MHz machine
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 15:26:27 GMT

OK, I don't want to do this, but you asked for it.

This do-it-yourself hardware patch is for the old Sound Blaster v1.5 only
that is having DMA problem with some 33MHz or 40MHz motherboards.
To make sure that you are having the same problem that we are talking
about, run TEST-SBC and you should get a 0400 error code.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

I got Sound Blaster PRO in a while after I did the patch, and the
PRO does not need it.  Also, DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISK!  I did it, and it
works great.
 
First, assume we are facing the board so that we can read the chips. 
There are two chips to "fixed".  The first one is U13, the big DSP chip
(the biggest chip on the board).  The 7th pin from the left on the top row 
has to be disconnected.  I simply unpluged the chip, bent the pin outwards
(so that it would no longer be pluged in), and put the chip back.
 
The second chip is U21, a 74LS125A.  Again on the top row, pin 2 from
the left has to be shorted to pin 2 from the right.  I simply soldered
the two pins together with a 1/2" wire on the backside of the board.
 
Remember, at your own risk.  Have fun!
Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:13880 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:7610
From: wijkstra@fwi.uva.nl (Marcel Wijkstra (AIO))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: 1280x1024 mode on ET4000 ?
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:49:49 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam


Yesterday, I read an article on the net from someone saying he could get
his ET4000 in 1280x1024x16 (128x64) mode, using mode 3Dh.
Today, I tried the same: VMODE 3D . Result:
	The specified mode cannot be set due to insufficient video memory.
	This mode requires 1MB of video memory.
But I have 1MB of video memory!!!!! 1024x768x256 runs just fine.

What's wrong here?

Marcel.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.lang.c
From: u8930217@golum.riv.csu.edu.au (Mr Chang)
Subject: 486-50 Mhz, getting too HOT???? 
Summary: 486-50 heat problem?
Organization: Charles Sturt University-Riverina, Wagga Wagga, NSW, Australia
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:32:23 GMT


Hardware wizards,
     Has anyone out there own a 486-50Mhz ISA Machine??
     Have you experience any over heating problem, especially in a
non air-conditioned room?? 
     How is it performance compared to any other low-end Unix
Workstations??


S.Chang
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Wagga Wagga
N.S.W.  2650
Australia
===============================================================================
From: russest@ampex.com (Steve Russell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Switching Floppy Drives
Keywords: jumpers, floppy
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:14:25 GMT
Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA

In article <1992Apr13.230642.6603@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> dduffett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Dave Duffett) writes:
>Hello Netters,  I was hoping someone can help me out with my little problem
>I am having trying to figure out my floppy drive jumpers.  I currently have
>a TEAC 5 1/4" installed as A: drive and a TEAC 3 1/2" as B:.  What I want to
>do is simply swith the drives so the 3 1/2" is A and the 5 1/4 is B.  So 
>tonight I opened up my PC and took a look at the drives and then looked for
>any documentation I had on the drives.  I found all the stuff that came with
>the drives (only one piece of paper that tells how to place the drive inside 
>the PC) and it is no help as it tells nothing about the on-board jumpers.
>
>I fooled around with the jumpers, not knowing what I was doing, but was not
>able to install the drives properly.   Below is what the jumpers look like
>currently (before I started messing with them):
>
>                       -+< Dave

Put the jumpers back to the original position and just change the drives.

Then change the CMOS settings to reflect the change.

You might want a bootable 3-1/2 floppy before you do this.

-steve
Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:13937 comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware:870
From: brockus@usc.edu (Jeffrey Brockus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: FAQ BY NEWCOMERS
Date: 16 Apr 1992 18:50:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: koh-sun12.usc.edu

  Is it possible to hook up my 486 machine to my regular TV?
I don't care if the result will be a liitle loss in resolution and
definition, all I want to know is whether that is possible without
any modifications to either the Tv set or the computer.
FYI, my TV set is a 17-inch Emerson and the machine is a CIN Tech.
BTW, somebody raised the alarm bell about buying from Toche
(the PC PROS Co. in Darien, Ill.). Could that somebody please tell me
why? I did a little comparison shopping and would have gone for
the Touche 486 EISA if I had not committed myself to the CIN machine.
I thought it had the best 486 system, albeit at a steep price (AMI
motherboard, PC Power and Cooling power supply (300w), tower case, etc.)
Inquiring minds would like to know why Toche machines are not as
wonderful as they are made out to be.

BTW, will a Kevin Warner of Waterloo please send me another e-mail
regarding the CD-ROMs and the code of the Sega discs. Your earlier
message was truncated and for some reason I couldn't get through to you.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 17 Apr 1992 08:17:16 EDT
From: <HALTEMAN@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Slow Floppies

Greetings,

    I am running a generic 486/33 with AMI BIOS dated 5/5/91, 4 Megs
of RAM, an 89 Meg HD, 5.25 and 3.5 floppies, Trident SVGA w/1Meg  and
MSDOS 5.0.  I have a few device drivers and TSR's that are loaded high.
The last object is loaded at E9B40 and the free space begins at EBFB0.
There are two other small blocks of free space interspersed with my TSR's
and device drivers.  In order to get the expanded memory above E000 I use
the i = E000-F7FF switch in my loading of EMM386.  The whole config.sys
line for the EMM386 is
     device = c:\dos\emm386.exe 1024 ram i=e000-f7ff
Got the basic picture?

    My problem is that my floppies, and only my floppies, are terribly
(in Maine we would say "wicked") slow.  It takes somewhere between 8
and 12 seconds to do a directory, even if there is only one file on the
disk. (1.2M, 360K, 720K, 1.44M no matter and no difference).  Also mem /c
works, but mem /d or mem /p hangs the machine.

    Attempts at solution --
    a. turbo switch is on.
    b. re-order the loading sequence -- no effect.
    c. remove one device driver or TSR, and drives speed up to 2-3 sec.
       Size of device driver or TSR does not matter - even removing
       SETVER (0.4K) causes the drives to speed up.
    d. Reduce the included expanded memory to i=E000-F1FF causes the
       change to 2-3 sec.  Change F1FF to F200 and back to slow.

  Some other possibly pertinent info.

   I have looked at my advanced CMOS setup.  There is no switch to enable
a shadow of the ROM BIOS.  The shadow of Video ROM is enabled (32K at
C000 and C400).  The are many Adaptor ROM Shadow switchs, the last being
64K at E000, but all are disabled.

   Anyone have any ideas?


  Thanks in advance,


  Bill Halteman
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

>My friend is using Panassonic KX 1124 24 pin dot matrix
>printer. When he uses 6 page forms the paper jamms.

I presume "6 page" means 6 part (6 layers)?  I use a Panasonic KX-P1124i for
5 part carbonless forms.  I'm satisfied with the results.  This printer can
use the tractors to either push or pull the paper.  Mine pushes, because I
want to be able to print a form and remove it without advancing a page and
wasting a form.  Pulling would give better behavior, though.  Pushing this
heavy form results in very small variation in vertical type placement.  I
would also expect pulling to be more resistant to jamming.
Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:13871 comp.os.msdos.programmer:5435
From: Ralf.Brown@B.GP.CS.CMU.EDU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.msdos.programmer
Subject: Re: Combatting Idleness
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:14:57 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University School of Computer Science
Originator: ralf@B.GP.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <ARA.92Apr15014346@camelot.ai.mit.edu>, ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler) wrote:
}When you request disk services from Microsoft DOS or the BIOS, the
}actual data transfer takes place using DMA, right?  So DOS/BIOS must just be
}sitting there waiting for the DMA to complete.  

The only disks that are guaranteed to use DMA are the floppies.  The
majority of hard disk use programmed I/O because it is faster than DMA
(max 5.3 megabytes per second versus about 2.0 megs per second); the only
major exceptions to the rule are bus-mastering and SCSI controllers.

}QUESTION: Assuming this is correct, does anyone know how to get
}control back while the tranfer is taking place, or while the heads are 
}moving into position, for that matter?  

See INT 15/AH=90h,91h,C0h.  The first two are called by the BIOS (on ATs
and later machines) to allow a multitasker to schedule other tasks
during lengthy waits.


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From: devolder@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (me again)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: video memory and normal memory
Date: 9 Apr 1992 15:45:24 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Hello,
  I've been wondering about the layout of video memory and normal memory
above 1M.  It seems to me that since in the PC, video memory is allocated
a 256K space to top of 1M memory, in general, that a 512K or 1M video card
should conflict with that memory that resides at 1M up to 1M+256K or 1M+512K.
What gives?  Or do these video cards have the memory on board so that it
uses the 256K granted by the PC, and then uses whatever it has on board for
the higher resolutions.

  Would some one care to explain how this memory exists, since video memory
and normal memory above 1M seem to overlap.

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From: jri@oce.nl (Koos Rietveld)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Old harddisks in new PC !?
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:12:27 GMT
Organization: Oce Netherlands B.V.
Originator: jri@ws14-ps

I recently found out, that I can post news articles throughout the
whole world and not only within our own organization (it wasn't always so).

So now I can pose a question to all the PC wizards and guru's out
there :

I have an old harddisk from a so-called CPT-SRS. It's an full-height
WREN disk with the following numbers : Equip. I.D No. BJ7D5-A, Series
code 02, Part No. 77731603, Serial No. 007931.

I suspect it's an disk with an ST-506 interface, but I'm not sure. Who
knows for sure ? And can I use this disk in a modern PC like a Compaq
386/25M.


No flashy signature yet....

Koos Rietveld.

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From: jhamalai@lut.fi (Jori H{m{l{inen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Help with AST RAMvantage needed!
Date: 7 Apr 92 09:14:30 GMT
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland

I bought an AST RAMvantage memoryexpansion board. I bought it from company
and we didn't find any manuals.. 

I would like to know what are those three jumpers in leftside of the board?

Then, I don't know anything about those DIP-switches in right (16 pieces),
so could please post me which memoryconfigurations they make?

What kind of DRAM chips I can install.. No I have HY5164S-12 chips but
I need to know can I insert ??256 chips on board..

Thank you for your possible answer..!
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