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From: victor@honet4.att.com (Victor M Mendoza-Grado)
Subject: Re: ASE Conference
Reply-To: nahuat-l@ACC.FAU.EDU
Organization: University of Adelaide, Australia
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:58:27 GMT

>    The American Society for Ethnohistory Conference will be held
>    Nov. 12 - 14 in Salt lake City.  It promises to be one of the
>    very most exciting and full within memory for scholrs of the
>    Nahua.  The program includes continuous session in tribute to
>    Arthur J. O. Anderson and Charles E. Dibble.
>    
>    Nov. 13 morning:
>[....]

>    Nov. 14 afternoon
>    Imaging...Part II
>    
>    S. Jeffery K. Wilkerson, The Lost Aztec Garrison of the Mar del
>    Norte

    
  I heard that, at some point in time, there was some controversy
  surrounding this work in Mexico. It seems that there was some
  sort of dispute over credit attribution between Mexican officials
  and Mr. Wilkerson. The problem has been settled but I was told
  it went on for some time. Does anybody know about this?
  The government is planning a big project in that area and there
  was a report on the NY Times a few weeks ago...
  

     Victor
  
>    
>J. F. "Fritz" Schwaller, Associate Dean	      schwallr@acc.fau.edu
>The Schmidt College of Arts and Humanities    schwallr@fauvax
>Florida Atlantic University		      (407) 367-3845

 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From: NativeNet%gnosys.svle.ma.us@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Subject: New Indian books
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list NATIVE-L <NATIVE-L@TAMVM1.BITNET>
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:40:36 GMT

Original-Sender: vms.cis.pitt.edu!LMITTEN

	These are the latest books on Native peoples acquired by the
University of Pittsburgh's Hillman Library.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

	Brown, joseph Epes.  ANIMALS OF THE SOUL : A NATIVE AMERICAN
BESTIARY.  New York : Element, 1991.

	Canby, Peter.  THE HEART OF THE SKY : TRAVELS AMONG THE MAYA.
New York : HarperCollins, 1992.

	Carrasci, David.  QUETZALCOATL AND THE IRONY OF EMPIRE : MYTHS
AND PROPHECIES IN THE AZTEC TRADITION.  Chicago : University of Chicago
Press, 1992.

	Diamanti, Melissa.  DOMESTIC ORGANIZATION AT COPAN : RECONSTRUCTION
OF ELITE MAYA HOUSEHOLDS THROUGH ETHNOGRAPHIC MODELS.  Ann Arbor, MI :
UMI, 1991.

	ETHNOLOGY OF THE ALTA CALIFORNIA INDIANS / Edited by Lowell John
Bean.  New York : Garland, 1991.

	Fiedel, Stuart J.  PREHISTORY OF THE AMERICAS. New York : Cambridge
University Press, 1992.

	Friedenberg, Daniel M.  LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF LAND :
THE PLUNDER OF EARLY AMERICA.  Buffalo : Prometheus Books, 1992.

	Keegan, Marcia.  TAOS PUEBLO AND ITS SACRED BLUE LAKE.  Santa Fe :
Clear Light Publishers, 1991.

	NATIVE AMERICAN PERSPECTIVES ON THE HISPANIC COLONIZATION OF
ALTA CALIFORNIA.  Edited by Edward D. Castillo.  New York : Garland,
1991.

	Roediger, Virginia More.  CEREMONIAL COSTUMES OF THE PUBELO
INDIANS : THEIR EVOLUTION, FABRICATION AND SIGNIFICANCE IN THE PRAYER
DRAMA.  Berkeley : University of California Press, 1991.

	Slade, Doren L.  MAKING THE WORLD SAFE FOR EXISTENCE :
CELEBRATION OF THE SAINTS AMONG THE SIERRA NAHUAT OF CHIGNAUTLA, MEXICO.
Ann Arbor : University of Michigan Press, 1991.

	Small, Deborah.  1492 : WHAT IS IT LIKE TO BE DISCOVERED?  New
York : Monthly Review Press, 1991.

	Wetherill, Marietta.  MARIETTA WETHERILL : REFLECTIONS ON LIFE
WITH THE NAVAJO IN CHACO CANYON.  Boulder, CO : Johnson Books, 1992.

	Whitmore, Thomas M.  DISEASE AND DEATH IN EARLY COLONIAL
MEXICO : STIMULATING AMERINDIAN DEPOPULATION.  Boulder : Westview
Press, 1992.

****************************************************************************
Lisa A. Mitten						207 Hillman Library
Social Sciences Bibliographer				University of Pittsburgh
							Pittsburgh, PA  15260
Bitnet:  lmitten@pittvms				412-648-7723
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From: nagual@xochicalco.edu (A. Marvell)
Subject: Tonalamatl/Thu. Oct 8, 1992
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: Xochicalco University, Tijuana, BCN
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 12:05:50 GMT

    Today is the 282th day of 1992 with 84 remaining.
    The moon is waxing and gibbous, moving towards its full phase.
    The morning stars are Mars and Jupiter.
    The evening stars are Mercury, Venus, Mars and Saturn.

Maya Long Count: 12. 18. 19. 9. 1.  BOLON-Imix CAN Yax
Mexica: CHICUACE-Tecpatl. CHICONAHI-Cipactli Nemontemi YEI
Otomi  Quenza: 6-Aneyaxi. Mapa: 9-Antoqhuay. Cana: Anthudoeni 3
Purepecha: CUIMU-Tzhinapu. YUNTAMU-Uxpi. Nemonscuaro TANIMO
Zapotec Yza: 4-Xoo. Chij: 9-Chilla. Cocijo: 1-Chilla. Cocij: 1-Quij.
Jueves 8 de Octubre de 1992

1565
    Andres de Urdaneta arrives to the Far East in a direct trip from
    Acapulco, Gro., across the Pacific Ocean opening new lines for
    commercial navigation.

1670
    Spain and England enter into a trade agreement which made it
    an offense for any Britisher to raid or trade on the Spanish Main.

1821
    Juan O'Donoju, 63rd Viceroy of New Spain, dies of pleurisy in Mexico
    City.

1870
    After an epidemic attacks Tixtla, capital city of Guerrero, the
    town of Chilpancingo is chosen as a new capital.

1911
    Author Victoriano Agueros dies in Paris, France. Among his works
    are: Library of Mexican Authors (in 78 volumes) and others.

1918
    Painter Saturnino Herran dies. His style of painting had as main
    theme the Mexican life of his time.

1940
    The College of Mexico is created to promote research and academic
    development in humanities and social sciences. It was established
    as proposed by the Casa de Espan~a en Mexico formed by Spanish
    intellectuals exiled in Mexico.

1974
    President Echeverria grants the title of State to the territory of
    Quintana Roo. Its capital city is Chetumal.

1967
    Ernesto 'Che' Guevara is killed in Bolivia.

1982
    Gen. Raul Madero Gonzalez, brother of former President Madero, dies
    in Mexico City.
---------------------
"But at my back I always hear
 Time's winged chariot hurrying near"  -- A. Marvell
From: zc360408@ZAC1.ZAC.ITESM.MX
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
Subject: SOLICITAR INFORMACION
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:52:58 GMT
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: Instituto Tecnologico de Estudios Superiores de Monterrey

A QUIEN CORRESPONDA:

Les solicito informacion, por favor, sobre Egipto, para llevar a cabo un trabajo
 final sobre
Turismo en Egipto, como tuve conocimiento de las discusiones internacionales,
 quise
solicitarles informacion, si es que es posible que me la envien.


Si pueden enviarme dicha informacion les pido por favor que me la envien a mi
 cuenta,
ya que no estoy subscrita a la lista de discucion.



MUCHAS GRACIAS DE ANTEMANO.


Mi nombre es TERE.                Gracias.


                        P. D.  Estoy a sus ordenes para lo que se les pueda
 ofreces.
From: H.Nunez@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
Subject: Re: 12 octubre
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:06:07 GMT


Complementando el mensaje de Arturo Vega sobre el 
programa de la BBC, la parte correspondiente a Mexico,
se llamo: "From Quetzalcoatl to Pepsi Coatl".

Hector
From: Mendoza-Grado@ATT.COM
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
Subject: What they don't teach you at Harvard Public Admin School
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:11:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewse.1992Oct16.001128.29257
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: AT&T


 De Clarinews

|Subject: Protests prompt Columbus Day commotion in Latin America<==
|Date: 13 Oct 92 01:22:37 GMT


|        MEXICO CITY (UPI) -- Celebrations of the 500th anniversary of
|Christopher Columbus's arrival in the Americas were overshadowed in
|Latin America Monday by widespread protests by Native American
|indigenous groups.
|        In Mexico City, more than 10,000 people gathered in the central plaza
|to celebrate the pre-Hispanic cultures of the Americas and demand an
|audience with President Carlos Salinas de Gortari so they could present
|a list of demands including bilingual education, respect for Native <====
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|American landholdings and improved access to public services. <=====
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

|        Salinas was not on hand, but during a ceremony in the presidential
|palace he said his government would ``reaffirm our pride in our
|indigenous roots'' by investing $33 million into archaelogical sites
|during the next two years.

   A que la cancion! revolviendo la gimnasia con la magnesia...
   Una pregunta de don Miguel Leon-Portilla viene a la mente:

  "Does the nationalist stance of exaltation of everything indigenous always
 translate into forms of action truly appropriate to the problematic
 situation of the aboriginal communities still living in Mexico today?"
 -- Miguel Leon-Portilla, _Endangered Cultures_

                       (traduccion al ingles de _Culturas en Peligro_)


    Mendoza-Grado @ AT&T
From: dmg@CS.WM.EDU ((Daniel M. German))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
Subject: acaso se trata de pedradas?
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:14:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewse.1992Oct16.121429.12896
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: College of William and Mary, VA

Nuestro nuevo colega "San Chipocles" escribe:

>
>No quiesiera meterme en asuntos que no me incunben; pero no se si esta
>lista se trata de opinar y respetar~ opiniones o se puede estar
>uno apedreando con los demas .
>por aquello del asbesto...
>un cordial saludo a~ everyboa los amantes del programas lLos Simpson
>                                              &&&&&&&&&&&


Pues aqu'i hay de todo. Los que avientan pedradas (algunos hasta
esconden la mano luego. Los que no se meten en broncas. Los que
opinan, los que comentan, los que critican destructivamente y
constructivamente. Bueno, en fin ya te dar'as (dar'an) cuenta.



Daniel M. German
dmg@cs.wm.edu


P.D. Me da gusto que cada d'ia nueva gente se incorpora a la actividad
de esta H. Lista. Nuestras fronteras se
expaannnnndddddddddeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnn...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From: nagual@xochicalco.edu (Chuchkahau)
Subject: Tonalamatl/Thu. Oct 15, 1992
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: Xochicalco University, Tijuana, BCN
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 12:06:14 GMT

    Today is the 289th day of 1992 with 77 remaining.
    The moon is waning and gibbous, moving towards its last quarter.
    The morning stars are Mars and Jupiter.
    The evening stars are Mercury, Venus, Mars and Saturn.

Maya Long Count: 12. 18. 19. 9. 8.  OX-Lamat BULUC Yax
Mexica: CHICOME-Calli. YEI-Tochtli Izcalli MACUILLI
Otomi: RAHTO-Aneyaxi. HIU-Anqhua. Anthudoeni RETA
Purepecha Uexurini: 6-Tzhinapu. Huryiyata: 3-Auani. Kutsi: Nemonscuaro 10
Zapotec: CAAYO-Quij. CHONA-Lapa. Cocijo: TOBI-Lana. Cocij: TOBI-Lana.
Jueves 15 de Octubre de 1992

 675
    [9.12.3.6.6] Lord Pacal begins construction of the Temple of the
    Inscriptions at Palenque.

 744
    [9.15.13.6.9] Prince Bird-Jaguar of Yaxchilan participates in a ballgame.

1521
    [Day 12-Tochtli Year 3-Calli] Aztec Lord Cuauhtemoc and Tetlepanquetzal
    are tortured by the Spaniards to make them confess the whereabouts of the
    "Aztec treasure". Captain Julian de Aldrete, by orders of Cortes, pours
    boiling oil on their feet.

1522
    King Carlos V of Spain concedes the title of Governor and General
    Captain of New Spain to Hernan Cortes.

1538
    A Royal decree exempts all natives from the Spanish Inquisition in the
    Americas.

1583
    The Gregorian calendar is adopted in New Spain. Hence, there
    was a "jump" from the 4 to the 15 in the current month.

1599
    The town of Veracruz is moved to a place near Penon Bernal and
    the Totonac town Quiahuitlan.

1664
    Antonio Sebastian de Toledo becomes the 25th Viceroy of New Spain.

1697
    The town of Loreto in Baja California is founded.

1722
    Juan de Acuna becomes the 37th Viceroy of New Spain.

1821
    The Insurgent forces take most of the port of Acapulco, last stronghold
    of the Spanish loyalists.

1874
    The most famous candy maker in Mexico, Dulceria de Celaya, begins
    operations in Mexico City. 

1880
    Apache chief Victorio and most of his band are massacred at Tres
    Castillos Mountains in Chihuahua (midpoint between Cd. Juarez and
    Chihuahua City) by Col. Joaquin Terrazas forces.

1925
    Revolution writer Dolores Jimenez y Muro dies.

1959
    President Adolfo Lopez Mateos becomes the first Mexican head of state to
    visit Canada.
---------------------
"Nostalgia isn't what it used to be."
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From: Alex Lopez-Ortiz <alopez-o@MAYTAG.UWATERLOO.CA>
Subject: Re: Libros
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: University of Waterloo Canada
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:24:15 GMT

>
>Aqui me pregunto... donde quedo Octavio Paz? Digo, no por otra cosa, sino
>porque es el premio Nobel... Y considerando como se las gastan los
>alemanes, me extra~a.

Octavio andaba por alla. No se poque no salio en la tele

Alex
>
>En fin, que es un gusto que eventualmente se difunda por aca que Mexico
>es algo mas que "Indianer und Pyramiden".
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------
> Eugenio Lopez             e-lopez@tu-harburg.dbp.de
>                           Universidad Tecnica de Hamburgo
>                           tel. (0049-040) 7718-2595
>-----------------------------------------------------------
>


--
Alex Lopez-Ortiz                              alopez-o@maytag.UWaterloo.ca
Department of Computer Science                      University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario                                                   Canada
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
Subject: TEST
From: chris@dhvx20.csudh.edu
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:36:09 PST
Organization: CSU, DOMINGUEZ HILLS

TESTING

Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From: ENRIQUE ONTIVEROS MARTINEZ <tim.timeom@MEMO.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject: Re: Citas, mas
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:07:42 GMT

   Ya que la cita del fisico estadounidense no fue muy
 bien recibida, veamos que opinan de la siguiente
 cita de otro tipo de intelectual y de otra
 nacionalidad...

 "En Mexico, la vida del ciudadano comun y corriente no vale
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ni un comino. Los propios cuerpos que han de velar por el
  cumplimiento de la ley se encargan de violarla sistematica-
  mente."
  -- Margarita Michelena


 ???


    Mendoza-Grado @ AT&T

Eso depende, cual es el ciudadano comun y corriente?

  TIM.TIMEOM..MEMO

Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From: SRG8589@OBERLIN.BITNET
Subject: Acculturation.
Reply-To: nahuat-l@fauvax.BITNET
Organization: OBERLIN Netnews Service
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 11:30:36 GMT

 
 
I'm beginning an acculturation study of the Spanish arrival in Mesoamerica.
I am attempting to focus on the Spanish side rather than on the native
perspective.  I currently have George M. Foster's _Culture and Conquest_
as an ethnography of this sort.  I'm wondering if anyone knows of any
more recent studies in a similar vein or of any criticism that this
volume has received.
 
                                Thanks in advance,
 
                                        Andrew Roy
                                        SAR4106@OBERLIN.BITNET
                                        Oberlin College, OH
From: jcm@cfm.brown.edu (Javier Cruz-Mena)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
Subject: Re: Se iniciara el TLC hoy!
Date: 7 Oct 92 21:54:38 GMT
Organization: Brown University
NNTP-Posting-Host: sparce.cfm.brown.edu

In article <1992Oct7.134217.4874@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, mfiguero@lonestar.utsa.edu (Miguel . Figueroa) writes:
|> 
|>  Hoy mismo se reuniran aqui en San Antonio los lideres de Mexico,
|>  Estados Unidos y Canada para dar inicio al Tratado de Libre Comercio.
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Nononononono. La cosa no es asi'. El TLC no puede dar inicio, ni ser ratificado
ni nada que se le parezca mientras no haya sido APROBADO POR LOS TRES CONGRESOS INVOLU-
CRADOS. Como se dijo hace un par de semanas, el inexistente Congreso mexicano lo pasara'
sin siquiera pesta~ear, pero el gringo y el canadiense si' se dedicara'n a mirarle hasta
los dobleces en las enaguas. 
	Lo que sucedera' hoy en San Antonio, aparte de un show electoral para el desesperado
Mr. Bush, es que los tres ministros de comercio (Serra Puche por Me'xico, Carla Hills por
los gringos y un canadiense cuyo nombre no recuerdo) van a proceder a INICIALIZAR el
documento. La diferencia, insisto, es muy simple pero harto importante. Inicializar un
documento es una costumbre gringa que so'lo significa que quienes ponen en e'l sus
iniciales lo reconocen A TITULO PERSONAL. Es decir, reconocen haberlo lei'do y estar
de acuerdo con el texto... y punto. No significa ni siquiera que lo firmen. Es, digamos,
una u'ltima revisio'n antes de enviarlo a los Congresos para ser votado.


|>                               AGENDA
|>                               ======
|> 
|>  2:05 p.m.----------> Se reuniran los tres mandatarios.
|> 
|>  2:20 p.m.----------> Se reuniran las tres delegaciones y los mandatarios.
|> 
|>  2:45 p.m.----------> Bush, Salinas de Gortari, y Mulroney se reuniran con
|>                       los invitados.
|> 
|>  2:55 p.m.----------> SE RATIFICA EL TLC.
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Va de nuez: NI MADRES. Eso vendra' cuando haya sido aprobado por los Congresos
respectivos..., suponiendo que decidan aprobarlo.
	A juzgar por la frecuencia con la que aparece por aca' la "noticia" de que el
TLC esta' ora si' que a puntitito de entrar en vigor, debe ser fenomenal la campa~a de
desinformacio'n al respecto en algunos lugares. En Me'xico, desde luego.

	javier cruz mena.
	jcm@cfm.brown.edu

|> 
|>  3:05 p.m.----------> Recepcion.
|> 
|>  4:00 p.m.----------> Se reunen Bush y Salinas de Gortari.
|> 
|>  4:20 p.m.----------> Se reunen Bush y Mulroney.
|> 
|>  * tiempo local.
|> 
|> 
|> 
|>  Miguel Figueroa          UUU UUU  TTTTTTT  SSSSS  AAAAAAA
|>  UT-SAN ANTONIO            U   U      T     S      A     A
|>                            U   U      T     SSSSS  AAAAAAA
|>                            U   U      T         S  A     A
|>                            UUUUU      T     SSSSS  A     A
|>
From: H.Nunez@cs.ucl.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
Subject: Re: Noticias
Date: 12 Oct 92 09:05:24 GMT


Alex Lopez-Ortiz escribe:

>El reporte informe que entre las principales diferencias entre los paises
>desarrollados y Mexico, esta el alto porcentaje de personas dedicadas a
>la agricultura y la mala distribucion de la riqueza.

Si el problema siempre ha sido ese en Mexico, no la falta de recursos,
sino la mala distribucion de la riqueza.  Los virreyes, Maximiliano,
Porfirio Diaz y Lopez Portillo te pueden decir que Mexico es muy rico.

El problema es que la mayoria sigue siendo pobre.  Segun el programa que
pasaron aqui en Inglaterra el sabado, el 60% de la poblacion mexicana vive
por debajo del "poverty line" establecido por las Naciones Unidas.

Hector
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From: nagual@xochicalco.edu (Mario Moya Palencia)
Subject: Tonalamatl/Fri. Oct 9, 1992
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: Xochicalco University, Tijuana, BCN
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:05:47 GMT

    Today is the 283th day of 1992 with 83 remaining.
    The moon is waxing and gibbous, moving towards its full phase.
    The morning stars are Mars and Jupiter.
    The evening stars are Mercury, Venus, Mars and Saturn.

Maya Long Count: 12. 18. 19. 9. 2.  LAHUN-Ik HO Yax
Mexica  Xihuitl: 6-Tecpatl. Tonal: 10-Ehecatl. Meztli: Nemontemi 4
Otomi: RAHTO-Aneyaxi. RETA-Amadahi. Anthudoeni GOOHO
Purepecha: CUIMU-Tzhinapu. TEMBEN-Tarhiyata. Nemonscuaro TAMU
Zapotec: TAPA-Xoo. CHIJ-Laa. Cocijo: TOBI-Chilla. Cocij: TOBI-Quij.
Viernes 9 de Octubre de 1992

1000
    Leif Ericsson reaches Vinland (North America).

1776
    Franciscan missionary Juan Bautista de Anza founds the mission
    of San Francisco de Asis at present-day San Francisco, California.

1809
    Fr. Melchor de Talamantes dies of fever in San Juan de Ulua prison
    after being sentenced by the Inquisition for his involvement in the
    Independence of Mexico.

1910
    The National Seismologic Service is inaugurated.

1915
    The Presidency of Venustiano Carranza is recognized by the following
    countries: USA, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia and
    Uruguay. Later Chile, Costa Rica and El Salvador join that list.
    After the USA issues its statement, an embargo is placed on arms
    shipments to anti-Carrancistas forces.

1943
    President Avila Camacho restores the death penalty, dropped in 1928,
    for highway robbery and kidnaping.
---------------------
"A vote against the PRI is a vote for the system"
 -- Mario Moya Palencia, former Interior Minister of Mexico
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
From: AD81095@UDLAPVMS.BITNET
Subject: Re: Citas, mas citas!
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: Universidad de las Americas Puebla
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:53:49 GMT

     Estoy en total acuerdo con Alex, acerca de que los mexicanos tenemos que
aprender a ser criticados. Como todos dicen, a veces la verdad duele; pero mas
veces con la verdad aprendemos y eso es lo que necesitamos.
     Los mexicanos muchas veces nos quejamos de la situacion que se vive, pero
no hacemos nada por arreglarlo. Es por eso que ojo extranjeros nos tienen que de
   cir la verdad.
    Colegas: Aprendamos a recibir las criticas como si fuera una fuente de ense-
   ;anza, asi podriamos mejorar nuestro nivel de vida y de autoevaluacion

Hector Diaz
From: dmg@CS.WM.EDU ((Daniel M. German))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican
Subject: Re: carta ...
Date: 8 Oct 92 23:33:08 GMT
Reply-To: Multiple recipients of list MEXICO-L <MEXICO-L@TECMTYVM.BITNET>
Organization: College of William and Mary, VA

Acerca de la carta. Por que no mandamos una copia firmada por
todos aquellos que est'en de acuerdo (me incluyo) al correo
ilustrado, de la Jornada. Creo que tendr'ia m'as poder y
posibilidades de ser publicada si lo hacemos de otra manera.


En fin, a ver que opinan,


Saludos

Daniel M. German
Newsgroups: soc.culture.mexican