From: franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: The March in D.C.
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:23:54 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In <1992Apr7.230053.15012@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:

>I doubt seriously that this is the reason.
>I suspect it has more to do with the "marriage good, virginity better"
>ethic that the Church has been breeding ever since Paul.
   No, you're WRONG. No discussion about it. The Catholic church 
tells us how precious it is to have children, and that every one (almost)
should nottbe deprived of this opportunity. A priest just can't handle the
two properly in our opinion. Sorry, don't judge what you don't know.

>It is my suspicion that if the RCC gave up the celibacy requirement,
>they would find it a lot easier to find priests, which would make
>the job somewhat less taxing.
   You'd have more priests maybe, but you still need a father to a church.
He would never be able to multi-task as you suggest. If you understood
what a gargantuan task it was to run the church properly, then you
would not be debating this point.

>>the fetus as a victim. CAN WE NOT WORK TOGETHER so that everyone is happy?
>How?
   As I said, less abortions, miore happy mothers, less unwanted 
children. It's a concept battle now. We have to get rid of the notion
of the unwanted child.

>>at our faith and pride, that you don't spend any time thinking about
>>a solution.
>We have. Don't have an abortion if you don't want one.
   Don't you get it? We CANNOT stand by and watch others killing our
future. Sorry, no way...

>>  Your solution is "maybe if we get them to shut the hell up, then the
>>problem will go away..." Think again my friend.
>What problem?
   My, you're just a charm. You see no problem huh? YOu don't see the
anger on this newsgroup and in the media? My, you ARE an ignorant
one aren't you? Why don't you stop programming long enough to see
the REAL world for once, rather than through newsnet?

>What precisely is your idea of peace?
>I pretty much guarantee that pro-choicers will be happy to leave you
>alone if you agree that we can have abortions if we want them.
>Somehow I have the feeling that your idea of peace isn't going
>to look much like that.
   Bingo. 

>Well, it's not at all clear to me that pro-choice won't win. I think
>that the fight is going to be bloody as all hell, though, but
>I think that ultimately pro-life will lose.
>And I'll tell you why:
>Technology.
   You're so wrong. You know why? People like me can't be beaten as 
easily as you think. And our charisma and knowledge spreads. The
concept of pro-life can never be banished as long as we can show any
adverse effects of abortion that could otherwise be avoided.
   The funny thing is, that there is a higher ratio of women in Canada
that are pro-life than man. The women care more about the child then men
do. This group insinuates that the men are the ones fighting the
battle, but this is not the case.

>RU-486 is the beginning of an era where abortion can be
>done by pill. When that becomes normative, the ability to
>prevent abortion will be even poorer than our ability
>to stop the flow of drugs into this country.
   Silly you. We know that having abortions will become an easier process.
But, we want to lessen the NEED for abortions first and foremost. That 
is what is important. Look how easy it is to kill someone now... Just
buy a gun at your local sports store... But, not many people use this
power, because society has told them it is WRONG. Give us a bit
of time. Right now we're fighting a pretty superficial group of
individuals. Given a little time for people to realize "hey, our
population is sinking" and we'll win... Don't get your hopes up,
and don't put too much faith in the ru-486 pill. It's not as magic
as you think...
   steve
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