From: wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Nettiquette or Freedom of speech
Date: 27 Dec 1992 20:16:27 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
NNTP-Posting-Host: rodin.cs.uh.edu

In article <1992Dec27.171717.18120@u.washington.edu> kaygee@hardy.u.washington.edu (Kevin Giansante) writes:
>Bullshit, Mr. Woody Ph.D.

I am not a PhD. yet.

>NOTHING that you see in the newsgroups interferes with your
>freedom.

Yes, it does.  I will explain why.

>If you see something posted here that you don't want to read, all
>you ever have to do is hit "N", and it's gone.  You don't have to
>give it another thought.  If you CHOOSE to entangle yourself in
>controversy, that's okay, but nobody's forcing you.

This sort of freedom of speech and USENET overflow have been once discussed
locally in uh.general and houston.general here.

(1)
I subscribed to s.c.k in order to get informations related with Korean
culture.  Before I start to read a news group, I type '=' to scan the list
of articles.  Then I choose what I want to read.  But many times,
I choose the wrong ones. Most of them are filled with flames (starting with
bullshit, ...etc.), which I don't want to read.  So, I type 'k'  in that
case, since if it starts with bullshit, its follow-up is usually worse. 

I could have saved lots of time and could have enjoyed ease of choosing 
articles.
My such right and freedom are deprived when the poeple like you post
lots of junks, of which the only purpose is just to satify your sick mind
by enflaming others under the name of Freedom of Speech.
As someone posted, managing KILL file is not simple nowadays.
In fact, having a KILL file is annoying. You have to wait sometimes quite
a while until newsreader kills the articles.

(2)
Many people are reading netnews using phone lines (I mean that they are feeded 
thru uucp).  Since there are lots of news groups created every week, and
each news group has increased number of articles,  the netnews adms who
provide free news feeds locally now faces problems and they are claiming
that they have to charge.  The local users who don't have internet access
could have enjoyed free access to netnews if USENET were properly used.
You think that everything is free, but it is not.  Someone is always paying.
The netnews adms and users are blaming the people like you who are
posting just lots of junks.

(3) 
Freedom of speech and Manner is not really related.
You may wish to post anonymously (which requires you to fake posting -
and we have seen on this s.c.k. how this can be abused by a person
in upenn) to protect yourself (for example, you want to speak freely
that Korean government is bad so and so,. .. and you don't want to
lose a chance to get a job in Korean government, and you are worried
that they are listening).  I was opposing  to anonymous posting (fake),
but I also find that in some case it may be necessary for the Freedom of
Speech (if not abused).
On the other hand, manner reflects your personality. 
Nothing prevents you from saying "Bullshit, Fxxking, ...etc", but it only
reflects your bullshitty, fxxking personality. And also junks which are not
beneficial to anyone.


>You have to realize that these are just little letters on a screen.  It's
>not as if someone were flailing around with a stick two inches from
>your nose.  Freedom of speech only hurts if you let it.

You are claiming that Nettiquette guidelines are an imposition.
Have you ever read the guidelines ?

The first one in the guidelines : 
       "Do not forget that the other party is also a human-being."

You have to realize that you are not just typing characters on the 
screen.  You are talking to human-beings who have same feelings as you do,
and who want to enjoy as much freedom as you want.

>And the MANNER of self-expression, be it nice or nasty or whatever, is very
>often an important part of the CONTENT that's being expressed.  That's why

So, what is your CONTENT being expressed ?
I can see only bulshit and flames without contents...

>some people's guidelines (the very smart people you refer to) are an
>imposition.  Telling people to be nice and polite when they feel angry or
>imposed upon is a way of trying to control them and to neutralize the impact
>of their feelings.

I would rather say that it is for yourself.  When you get angry, you normally
can't control yourself. If you speak when you lose yourself, what you mumble
is usually junk.

>Good luck with your cow.  How's the milk?

When I tested all three  last time,
it was much better than your sister's and your girl friend's.
Oh, what am I doing ?
It seems to me that I am typing junks ...
Time to quit.


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