HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: y8321@milton.u.washington.edu (Yih-Jin Young)
Subject: Re: [News] PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Students
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:19:32 GMT

In article <(~{5K6,F=~})DENG.92Aug29185616@math12.dd-ap.rhic.bnl.gov> deng@dd-ap.rhic.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~}) writes:
>>>>>> In article <1992Aug29.074205.2115@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>>>>>> "Min" == Min Zhao <mzhao@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>
>  Min>         To end, let me say, mice or human, we all need to respect another
>  Min> fellow being's own judgement and choice.  I understand this is
>  Min> impossible sometimes, for example, some people just believe they are
>  Min> morally more correct than others, some places one has no choice,
>  Min> such as in the cat land for the poor mouse.  But let's try as much
>  Min> as we can to help the free judgement and choice of each individual,
>  Min> and try to respect that.
>
>Hmmm, do you respect some thugs' judgement and choice to beat you up?  ;-)
How does the thug justify his/her judgement and choice to beat someone up?
Is the thug a god or king?  Even a god or king can not beat people without
a reasonable reason.  A police is authorized to use force.  Can he/she beat    
others at his/her own will?


Yih-Jin Young y8321@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jhuang@Chaos.mcs.kent.edu (Jing Huang)
Subject: Re: Info. about Korean Air needed !
Organization: Kent State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:47:32 GMT

In article <BtMHIv.LJt@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> yuechen@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (yueting chen) writes:
>
>Hello, there,
>	Can any of you who have taken Korean Air tell me its phone number? 
>Is there any travel agent which acts as the representative of Korean Air? If 
>yes, what's the phone number? Please post your responses here or e-mail to me 
>at yuechen@ucs.indiana.edu. Seems there are quite lot of people(please correct
>me if my usage of word 'people' here is wrong) interested in this topic. Any

	You can contact just about any travel agency and tell them you want
to travel with Korean Air, and they will book the ticket for you. You can also
ask them for the phone number too.
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 150 F-16 to Taiwan
Keywords: F16, Americans, Chinese
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:28:37 GMT
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

yuliu@milton.u.washington.edu (Yu Liu) writes:

>the American is selling
>fighters to our home, and they feel it is all right. When the Americans are
>suffering, we give them a hand, and when we have argument, they send us a gun.
>Shame the Americans!

Don't blame the weapon sellers, ask the buyer what
her intension is with the weapon.  yes, F-16 is a killer machine 
but the most dangerous weapon is in the mind of the leaders on
both side of the Taiwan Hal Hsia.  F-16 is only a tool and it
won't do any damage unless the "pilot" make it to do so.

Isn't it about time for Taiwan and Mainland China to settle their
difference peacefully?  

-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)           - No news is bad news.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chenx@cua.edu
Subject: Re: Hand NBC an 8-year jail sentence
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:37:43 GMT

In article <9208271411.AA01207@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu>, ymj1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Yuan M Jiang) writes:
> Great, Beijing Daily has finally followed IFCSS' call.
> 
> Beijing Daily has convicted NBC for rumor muggling.
> NBC should have not forgotten that Xiao1 Bin1 was
> sentence for an 8 year in jail for spreading
> rumors in the summer of 1989.  Yes, put NBC in the reform through
> labor camp and force it to produce US-bound export goods.

I remember that the Chinese students at Berkeley and Stanford wrote an open
letter to NBC seeking an apology,  and I am wondering if there is any response
from them.  Has the letter published on any newspaper?  Is there any positive
results?

I do not know much about the whole stuff, but I think if there is no any
response from media, IFCSS may try to write International Olympic Committee to
complain the rumors distributed by NBC.  If NBC can not provide any evidence
for the drug use and they would not apologize to public, they should be ban
from all the sport coverage.  Anybody remember what happened to the lady who
finished fourth in the womem 100m dash in this Olympic?

Besides, I think Chinese should also learn how to  deal with some American
anchors and reporters.  They are unfriendly and lack of basic education.  For
example, for the "garbage collector" question, how about to answer like this
way "Are you feeling comfortable if I ask you whether or not your mother worked
as a prostitute before?"

Just remember that to face reporter smartly will significantly improve the
image of Chinese, the best way is beat them in scence, not to complain later
on.  If we say the anchor at CCTV are not real anchor, try to be the anchor of
yourself.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu)
Subject: Re: Mao
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: soc.culture.China.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:35:09 GMT

In article <92240.122506PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.225946.28343@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
>dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu) says:
>>      Can anybody tell me what French people feel if some foreigners offend
>>Napoleon? Or even What a German feels if some foreigner attack Hitler rudely?
>>      Maybe I made wrong comparison, but I do believe Mao has some kind
>>link with recent culture of China whatever you like or not.
>
>Are you from outerspace or what?

To PXW10

Hi, Man,

What I worried is not the above comparison but what you deleted, i.t., Mao to 
China vs Japanese emperor to Japan. I thought someone would argue about that.
Thank you for your attention anyway.
BTW, are you a Chinese?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
From: william@natimuk.acci.com.au (William Lo)
Subject: Re: I'm very disappointed in Chinese (A sort of defeatism) 
Organization: IBM Australia/ACCI
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:54:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.113239.12546@cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@mulga.cs.mu.oz.au (Joyous Dave) writes:
>I'm very disappointed in Chinese people.

	Defeatism?
	Don't be. Disappointment will not do any good for
	us, either. Why don't you offer a few words of encourage-
	ment then, mate?
>
>I want to improve China, improve its people's living standard,
>improve its productivity, improve its economy, improve its
>stand in the world.  And I asked people to contribute suggestions
>to how to improve China.
	
	So do we. Got a lot to achieve.
	

>[...Stuff(your blaming) deleted...]  

	Why your so interested in blaming innocent pasttimes?
	Maybe you need to be a little patient I suppose. 

>Now, I really believe that Chinese are a grain of sand.  PLEASE PLEASE
>PLEASE prove me wrong by posting some suggestions on how to improve
>the country!

	Some essential input then:

	The most urgent one is to get the Chinese eduated. I reckon
	you can just stand still with a bulk of people who don't have a
	grain of sense(not sand!) and are uncivilised. Put some investment
	in our people first! 

	You still seem to ignore politics. So, politically, the gov't
	must play its part, too. That is, we want to have the CCP start
	to recognise that we all have our rights - it's just such an
	essential and natural thing that people's happiness heavily depends
	on. It however still turns the stomachs of our beloved comrades. What
	should you think then, mate? 
	 
	  
---Cheers,
	Bill
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: OFFENSIVE MESSAGES(Re: Looking for VIRGIN chinese Girl)
Date: 3 Sep 92 03:50:15 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Sep2.153556.2099@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umsalte2@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daniel Saltel) writes:
>Somebody has got into my user-id and has sent offensive messages.
>I am sorry that this has happened.
>This has been very upsetting.

  
    Feel upset? Good. You have to pay a lot for
your garbage and offensive posting! You are really
a kind of animal.

  P.S. : Here is your original posting:
        "Looking for virgin chinese girl to break her seal. I cant marry a
white bimbo. I need chinese pussy!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: [News] PRC Announces Further Loosened Policies on Overseas Students
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:01:52 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes: 
> 
>>result of the "Reform" policy of China. But, do not fool yourself. Chinese
>>government has totally no control of your visa at all. What made your
>>visa CONVERTABLE was the blood of your brothers and sisters, as well as
>>the power struggle between the US Congress and the Administration.
>>CORC (A Conservative Old-fashion Republican Communist, sounds wierd?)
> 
> So what!  So some CSS may raise their right hands to grab green card, and 
> raise their left hands to ass kiss CCP/support "Deng's reform"/paint Deng as
> an "innocent old man" in June 4th Beijing Massacre???  Are you one of them?
> 
> Read my message again!

   How do they kiss ass with their hands?    You massage ass with hands,
kiss with lips on your mouth.   I'm not sure which body part you use to
"support". :-)

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Where is Chinese Going?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:40:00 GMT

In article <92247.142226SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu>, <SXS30@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>China is going on the way toward capitalism with Chinese charactistics.

Great! I would add another sentence here
.. under the leadership of the Communist Party with Chinese characteristic.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: ymj1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Yuan M Jiang)
Subject: Hu Ping's New Book (revised posting)
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:29:30 GMT

Oxford University Press just published a new book
by Mr. Hu Ping, one of the best known Chinese
dissidents "1989 Chinese Democracy Movement
Reflection."  It's in Chinese.

Hu Ping is well known for his analysis on Chinese
politics and political theory.  His best known
articles include "On Freedom of Expression," which
was first posted in Beijing Democracy Wall and
Beijing University around 1980.  He was the chief
editor for China Spring for many years.

The book is can be ordered from
Oxford University Press
18/F Warwick House
Tong Chong Street
Quarry Bay, HOng Kong
Telefax (852)5658491
From: test
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: test, ignore it
Keywords: test
Date: 30 Aug 92 16:40:03 GMT
Reply-To: test
Followup-To: test
Organization: test


test
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: wu@lsil.com (Zhou Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: playing soccer in Bay Area
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:30:30 GMT
Reply-To: wu@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

I guess most of us soccer fans miss the college life back in China. It was so easy
to get enough people to play a soccer game after class. I wonder how many of us now
are in the great Bay Area and would like to get together and play some games.

Even you never played soccer before, you are welcome to come. (I am not a good
player either) So, if you or your friends are interested, please call me or send me e-mail.
        phone #    (408) 954-4756  (work)
                        (408) 984-4917   (home)
        e-mail      wu@lsil.com

Let's play for friendship and have fun. 


- Joe Wu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: When does a Chinese become an American?
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
X-Newsreader: GNU Emacs 18.57.1, GNUS 3.13, NNTP 3.10
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:08:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.192809.2890@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> 
mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:

>	   Suppose the U.S. Green Card Bill becomes law. Every Chinese who
>applies for a green card does so (at least officially) with the intent of
>becoming a U.S. citizen. If a Chinese becomes a U.S. citizen does he or
>she then share the blame and glory of America?

He or she shares the blame or glory only for what he or she is directly 
responsible for, just like anybody else.  

>	   For instance, will he or she share the blame for the Vietnam War,
>for the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, the bullying of China, the 
>extermination of Native Americans, etc.?
>
>	   Can he or she take credit for the first moon walk, the first actor
>president :-), etc.?

IMO, no to both questions.  He/she can feel justifiable, if mixed, 
emotions about the triumphs, follies, and crimes committed by his/her 
new nation.  But, IMO, *responsibility* is different, and flows only from 
one's own _actions_.  This is true no matter who one's ancestors were, or 
how one became an American.  

Let me put it this way.  Back when I was 10 I thought John Kennedy walked 
6 inches above the water.  But I was too young to *vote* for the guy.  So 
I had no *responsibility* for his election, and his actions later.  These 
days, with a different view of his administration (IMO, a disaster in many 
ways), I thank whatever gods there are that I *was* too young to vote back 
then !  

I don't have to face the responsibility for placing an idiot like 
McNamara in as Secretary of Defense, with the later hideous consequences 
for the American military .. or for playing 'capture the flag' with the 
space program, rather than beginning the hard work of building the 
low-earth-orbit space station that most of the pioneer space scientists 
(like von Braun) knew we really needed .. etc, etc.

>	   I personally am a second generation American. Yet because I have
>white skin and speak fluent English I feel that American history is somehow
>partly my responsibility. 

Only the part you helped to create is partly your responsibility, IMO.  

>                          Will the new Chinese U.S. citizens (or their 
>children) feel the same way? Should they? Should I?

Same answer as above.  

--
Charles Roten | Hughes-STX, Incorporated | 
  roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov               | 'Use the Source, Luke!'
  7601 Ora-Glen Dr., Greenbelt, MD 20706 | 
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From: xc17@quads.uchicago.edu (xiaoyong  chai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: fight over water
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:08:06 GMT
Reply-To: xc17@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <715515015.17965@minster.york.ac.uk> yong@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>Chinese farmers fight over water right
>
>According to Today's British newpaper, farmers of Hubei and Hunan
                                                   ^^^^^^    ^^^^^^ 
>fighted for the right of water. As a result, the Red Flag Cannal
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>was blown up. The stormy water destroys houses and farms.


Thanks for the information, it is sad indeed.  

But is there a mistake in the report, it cannot be the 'direct result',
can it?  The cannal is located far north on the border of henan and shanxi,
or Linxian county, Henan province.
From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:05:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug28.170502.18694
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA

In article <65500052@acf3.NYU.EDU> yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
> >Again I am not a Tibet independence promoter. My point here is 
> >that it is up to the people to decide their future. Why people 
> >in Illinois don't want to be independent? Why people in 
> >Hawaii don't want to be independent although the  
> >majority people there are non-white? Why Germans want to 
> >re-unite? Why so many countyies in former USSR want to leave? 
> >Why Czech and Slovakia want to seperate? I guess it's their 
> >choices, right? They vote for their futures. 

> Mr. Carl's argument totally comfused me here, let's leave
> the first line and the last line of the paragraph alone whose logic
> relations with the whole paragraph are yet to see for me. let us 
> concentrate at the center part. he declared his "point" there,  
> he first ask why who and who want to what and what, then, 
> he gives a very stringent conclusion, wanting so is their choice, right?

So, what do you try to say? Please give me your point. By the way, I declared  
my point in the last line of the paragraph. Please read once more.

> >from you too. In fact I disagree with Tasim in some aspects 
> >but I like the way  he faces all the personal attacks. I bet 
> >he was angry because he was treated so  
> >brutally but he still has not lost his individual dignity.


> Mr. Carl, it's amazing that I always find you look at things from a 
> different angle from mine, in this case, it seems that, Mr. Tasim's
> view is irrelevant, but his way facing attacks really moves you,
> because it is such an effective way remaining dignity, right?

Why should I look at things from a same angle as yours? It's funny. If everyone  
look at things from a same angle, then there will be no debate and that is  
exactly what communist governments want.

> >Carl
> Have fun, take it easy.
> Ze Yang

Thanks!

> P.S. Mr. Carl, please break your article into smaller lines
> , the blank spaces appears after each line accutally don't 
> take space. I made a request to you before, but it seems that 
> you ignored that, just because you want keep your dignity? 
> Integrity is the first, man!

Please go and get another news grazer. I guess yours is quite old and  
out-of-date. You can get it from network.

Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:13:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.220941.10344@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes...
>In article <1992Aug27.002805.8376@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug26.231953.20713@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu  
>>(Chunde Shi) writes:
>>> In article <1992Aug26.222042.6238@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu  
>>blood-presure low.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Carl
>I did not want to show anything about me! I an not the issue, the issues here
>are:
>1. public funds embesselment(government payed tuition, board);
>2. Used shameful scheme to stay here(no body say nothing about should they stay
>here). I guess somebody should send those "head quater's decree" to news paper
>let the world judge what low, mean, filthy souls behind the scheme.
> 
> 
Hello, Carl and this friend. I missed your argument. But I guess this is
for the "P-Bill". ( I hate the P-Word. Under the other body's protection
is not something glorious in our culture.) I agree with this friend that we
should have those IFCSS decree/pledge/communication published in CND, SCC or
so published in the news media. Let the world know how THESE Chinese
students are "fighting for democracy" -- Talking the advantage of their
brother and sister's bloodshed.
From: dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: "Banana"'s sexuality and social status
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:09:51 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes: 
> yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
> 
>>Regarding the gayman's stuff, I don't have much to say, but
>>I have seen an article on monkeys, that article says, the leading
>>monkey(it's always male) often sits on the weaker male's back, 
>>doing a certain posture, the author thinks that the leading monkey 
>>is showing his power by implying the weaker one is like a female.  
> 
>>I don't know if there is another version of this picture in our human
>>being society, 
> 
> There is!  The Ancient Egyptian soldiers always "intercourse" enemies'
> arse (ass) whenever they win a battle, to show that "we are superior".
> 
> I think one reason why there are more White men/Asian women marriage
> than Asian men/White women marriage is because Asian (at least Chinese)
> men tend to be more nationist than Asian women.
> 
> What do you think?

I think the reason is pure statistical.   In average, the European people
are taller then Asian people, and God made taller man to match shorter
women.  So, you see, there are more physically matched Asian women and
European men than the other way.  Of course there are taller wives and
shorter husbands, but they are not "main stream".

dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yucao@sampson.ccsf.caltech.edu (Yu Cao)
Subject: Re: English Usage (Re: Winner, Bush or Clinton? )
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:22:42 GMT

In article <BtIAH4.9AG@acsu.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>:yucao@sampson.ccsf.caltech.edu (Yu Cao) writes:
>:
>:Ever heard of "Three people were killed in the accident"? 
>
>Yes but use number before people does not make sense. 
>To follow your logic, if there were four people in the car
>and three people were killed, how many people survived? 
>

To follow your logic, say "much people" instead of "many people" if you think
"less people" is correct.

--Yu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu)
Subject: Mao
Organization: University of Virginia
      Have you see recent issue of "THE SCIENCES" (Sep-Oct/1992)? What
      Although I don't like Mao anymore, I still feel hurt to find such
      I don't know if this is a sign not recovering from brainwash or just
Distribution: soc.culture.China.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:59:46 GMT

      Can anybody tell me what French people feel if some foreigners offend
Napoleon? Or even What a German feels if some foreigner attack Hitler rudely?
      I just know Japanese don't like foreigner attach their late 
emperor although they could sometimes criticize him themselves.
      Maybe I made wrong comparison, but I do believe Mao has some kind
link with recent culture of China whatever you like or not.

      Welcome kind criticisms.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liao@milton.u.washington.edu (shiquan liao)
Subject: Re: Could more light topics in China?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:14:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.180429.279@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>Does everybody notice those "sad topics" were mostly originated from
>people with non-chinese names? Does everybody notice Westen media,
>newspaper, TV, radio, etc are flooded with "bad" "news" about China?
>Are we microscoped by Westeners? Why are they have a hypocratical views
>any thing rlelated to China? What are their intensions?


Western media usually reports 'bad' news, even to their own society. If you
compare how the TV news are broadcasted here and CCTV, it is obvious. CCTV
reports the 'good' news mostly, like how the harvest is, who is brave enough
to fight a bank robber for 10000 Yuan ect, here you mostly get how many
people got shot and how bad the street is, how bad the economy is ect. In 
China before I came to the States, I had never seen anything saying that
the economy was bad, even during the Cultural Revolution. 

So I don't know whether the western media is biasly reporting China on purpose
or it is just their philosophy. Not very long ago, CCTV always told us how bad
the Western countries were and how wonderful our country was. Don't you think
that is also a hypocratical view?