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From: mryan@stsci.edu
Subject: Msg for Kelly Graham
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:35:31 GMT

Message to: "ASTRO::GRAHAMK"@cs.hh.ab.com   (Kelly Graham)

I got your message (thanks for the pat on the back!) but I tried & failed
to reply to your address.  I got the error "user unknown".  Do you have
another internet address?

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Mary Ryan				mryan@stsci.edu
Space Telescope Science Institute
Baltimore, Maryland
From: dan@msen.com (Dan and Karen Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: docking
Date: 24 Jan 1993 16:50:18 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Gail E. Brookhart (ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:


: I don't know that early breeders didn't select for healthy ears or not.  It
: is true though that erect ears are typically more healthy ears because of
: the air and cleanliness of them.  Flop ears just stay damp and waxy.

: I would say that people have intentionally selected for the flop look since
: the erect ear is the dominant.  I base that on the fact that pariah dogs
: and wild canids have erect ears. 

Interestingly, an experiment with foxes seems to suggest that it may have
cropped up in donestication.  A fox farm was trying to breed more social
foxes.  They chose the more people and group oriented foxes as breeding
stock.  In a few generations, they not only had more social foxes, they
also had quite a few drop eared foxes.  They also had barking foxes. 
There  may be a link in domestication and juvenile social behaviours which
also crosses into some juvenile physical characteristics. 

Karen
From: hhll@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Hodas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: docking
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:39:59 GMT
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rewald@stsci.edu writes:

>> In article <1993Jan21.154528.13379@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Todd Wallace) writes:
>>>
>>>What are the justifications (historical, aesthetic, medical) for
>>>docking?
>>>
>I was wondering about cutting ears?  I think that in some breeds, it is 
>aesthetics; in some (protection, baiting breeds) it's like another poster 
>mentioned - providing fewer "handles" for attackers.  But a friend of mine
>had standard schnauzers, and she didn't have thier ears bobbed.  The dogs were
>cute, but had a lot of problems with ear infections because very little air got
>in, and the ear canals were too moist.  Later in life, one of the dogs had a
>big problem with some kind of blood-filled cysts in the ends of the ears.

>Thanks - Rosalie

Zeppo, the wonder Bouvier (aren't they all?), does not have his ears
docked. We just preferred the floppy look to the alert, although we tell
ourselves that 'humanity' entered into it (not much, though, since his
tail _is_ docked).

We had a little trouble finding a breeder who would sell us an
un-ear-docked Bouvier. Some said that it wasn't 'proper' and so didn't
want their name on it. Others maintained that it was in the dogs' interest
to be docked, for the reasons mentioned above. When we finally found a
breeder who agreed not to do it we had to pay for Zeppo in advance, on the
theory that if they didn't dock his ears and then we changed our minds
about taking him they would have a harder time selling him to someone else.

His ears do get dirty inside, and we have to clean them and pull the hairs
out of there (which he kind of hates), but overall I can't say we've had
real problems because of it. And he sure is cute.

BTW, in Europe docking of ears is no longer part of the breed standard for
Bouviers.


Steven
From: CS#0@lafibm.lafayette.edu (CS#0)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Help with Tissue-eating Dogs!
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:51:15 GMT
Organization: Lafayette College
Originator: news@lafcol

Two of my Goldens LOVE to take tissues from the bathroom trash
and shred them into little pieces (all over the house!) and
sometimes even eat them--ugh :-(   We usually keep the door
closed, and when they get caught, a firm "No!" and "Drop!" will
make them stop, but at night I leave the bathroom door open so
that my children won't walk into a closed door, and the nightlight
shines from the bathroom out into the hallway.  We have moved the
trash can, tried black pepper, red pepper, and tobasco sauce, used
set mouse traps, but Molly and Kelsey are not easily deterred!  Plus
it is a nuisance to ALWAYS make sure the door is closed.  Any
suggestions would be appreciated!  Thanks in advance!
Susan Castelletti <CS#0@LAFAYACS>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: "D. Savoie <MOE@UNB.CA>" <LS45@UNB.CA>
Subject: tv ad
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:52:39 GMT

HI!  Has anyone seen the new Mazda van commercial?  I believe the
opening line is "Enough room in here to swing a cat," spoken by a
little grey dog with an unique clip.  He definitely is not a cat
lover, as the rest of the ad shows.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: myerse@spot.Colorado.EDU (MYERS ETHELLA ANN)
Subject: Re: samoyeds
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:06:06 GMT

In article <C17s5C.Auq@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> almanb@sr.hp.com (Bob Alman) writes:
>Lorraine Scarcello (scarcell@cs-acad-lan.Lakeheadu.Ca) wrote:
>: Well I am glad to hear that someone else out there is the proud owner of a 
>: samoyed.  I was beginning to think I was the only one.  My boyfriend and I 
>
>I have owned 4 sammoyeds since 1972 and probably will own more.  I think they
>are wonderful, loyal dogs.  I have had 2 females and am on my second male. He's
>
[..] description of dogs owned deleted
>
>I could go on and on about these dogs, but I will simply say that they seem to
>require a little more attention when puppies to keep them from being
>destructive.  They are smart and become bored easily which is sometimes
>confused with being dumb.  DO NOT EVER GET VIOLENT WITH THEM!!  They are very
>sensitive and will get squirrely with fear if you do this.  I think people with
>unruly samoyeds may have been too forceful and created problems.  You can
>assert your dominance without physical violence. 

 I have never had to do more than yell or grab Shiloh's collar - even for the
 worst behaviour.  In fact, when he's done something wrong and I grab his
 collar, he will yip and yell like I'm killing him.  If we are in a public
 place, people look at me like I'm some kind of animal torturer.  Shiloh
 probably knows this and is trying to use peer pressure to get out of
 trouble.  
 
>                                                  They love attention and need
>exercise so prepare to spend time with your sammy.  They also are quite clean
>despite their white coats and seem to be less of a problem than short-haired
>dogs as far as shedding.  Not that they don't shed....THEY DO!.  The difference
>is that they shed in clumps and all at once twice a year as opposed to many
>other breeds like our labs and GSD's which leave a thin layer of hair
>evertwhere all year long! 
>

  A couple of night ago, Shiloh came home from a walk two toned.  His bottom
  half was black with mud.  Within a couple of hours, he was clean, without
  me or him doing anything. It just fell off.  Of course, that means all of
  that lovely mud in now somewhere in the deep recesses on my rug, but
  Shiloh was clean.

  If I brush Shiloh regulary, especially during shed times, I can reduce
  the amount of hair in the house significantly.  Spring shedding is actually
  kind of cool.  There is something really satisfying about filling up
  several sacks with hair you've removed from your dog.  I've heard that
  some people have woven shed sammy hair into hats and sweaters. Shiloh
  is biscuit and cream, so his hair would make a really pretty sweater.

-Ann
**************************************************************************
E. Ann Myers                                    eam@paleosun.ngdc.noaa.gov
(303) 497-6467
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bryan@gtx.com ()
Subject: Crating
Organization: GTX Corporation, Phoenix AZ
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 03:01:04 GMT

   Does anyone out there have any experience crating German Shepards or
   Labrador Retrievers?  I'm wondering what size of crate would be best 
   suited for dogs of this size and also I'm wondering if the wire mesh
   cages are better than the large "pet taxis" that are availible for 
   animal transport.  Any info would be most helpful.
   Thanx.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: me@vikings.austin.ibm.com (Michael E)
Subject: Re: Help with Tissue-eating Dogs!
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:30:22 GMT
Organization: for pore spelers meats fryday.

In article <9301230856.AA2246@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org> ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>  Your dogs have gotten the idea that they have free rein of the house
>once you are asleep.  You will have to teach them differently.  What
>is did was to install a short rope with a harness snap onto the foot
>of my bed.  When I go to sleep, the rope goes onto the dog's collar. 
>She has to stay in her bed area.  If she fusses, I tell her to lay
>down and go to sleep.
>  You could also construct a dog run if you'd like the dogs to sleep
>outdoors.
>--- FMail 0.92
> * Origin: Hillcrest Community BBS of San Diego..619-291-0544 HST (1:202/703)
My research with books and vets says to crate your dog. I hestitated on the advice like any
unknowing person, but once other people who I knew were pro-animal reassured me of the humanity of
kenneling dogs I tried it.

We kenneled - or crated-  Oblivious (ESS) at night and when unsupervised. After a year we had to 
remove the kennel from our bedroom but Obi never strays from us at night. Obi stills amazes me
when he looks for some place to kennel himself.

We didn't do this with Aussie (guess the breed). He stayed with Obi at night for 
the first six months (to 1 year of age) but started chewing plastics and paper recently.
We pen him inside now (too big for Obi's kennel.

Best wishes.
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Shampoo
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 20:27:55 GMT

Does anybody have a recipe for a home made 'dry shampoo'? I usually give my
dobie a rubdown with a damp cloth a few times a week, but his coat is
somewhat oily so I'm looking for something that would break down the oil so I
could get him cleaner...and maybe leave a nice smell too. I've bought some
stuff they sell in mousse form but I didn't really care for the smell.
Something that can be put in a bottle and sprayed on would be ideal.

If not, can anybody recommend a brand that they like?
Thanks!


--
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca       Seven weeks 'til my Puppy comes home!
or:      a4080@mindlink.bc.ca   ********************************************
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
From: dan@msen.com (Dan and Karen Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: samoyeds
Date: 23 Jan 1993 14:25:10 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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MYERS ETHELLA ANN (myerse@spot.Colorado.EDU) wrote:

:   If I brush Shiloh regulary, especially during shed times, I can reduce
:   the amount of hair in the house significantly.  Spring shedding is actually
:   kind of cool.  There is something really satisfying about filling up
:   several sacks with hair you've removed from your dog.  I've heard that
:   some people have woven shed sammy hair into hats and sweaters. Shiloh
:   is biscuit and cream, so his hair would make a really pretty sweater.

Sammy hair is suitable to be spum into yarn.  My stepmother's friend has 2
and after saving the fur, she had it spun into yarn and knitted herself a
sweater.  She doesn't have to worry about it picking up dog hair either. :)

Karen


: -Ann
: **************************************************************************
: E. Ann Myers                                    eam@paleosun.ngdc.noaa.gov
: (303) 497-6467
: **************************************************************************

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,ca.wanted,su.market,misc.misc
From: shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD)
Subject: NEEDED!:  Enclosed Wire Dog Run/Pen - Bay Area
Reply-To: shedevil@gw.home.vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell, J.D.)
Organization: Fathers Rights & Equality Exchange
Distribution: ba 
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 18:48:57 GMT

Help!

I very badly need a used dog run or pen..you know the kind...with a top,
walls, and a floor?  It needs to be big enough to accomodate a lab-sized
dog and a mid-sized dog.

I need this because it is the only way I can safely keep my dogs in the
garage when it is pouring rain out, which in turn is the only way I am
going to be able to keep my entire house from being chewed down to the
foundation [because right now when it is pouring out I have to leave
them in a room of the house].  I can't just put them in the garage, as
there is too much out there that they could get into, not only that they
might hurt, but things which could hurt them!

Help!..does anyone have an unloved/unwanted run or pen for us?

Your's Hopefully,

Annie, Tazi & Nika



Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: shan@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Val Shanahan)
Subject: Re: PUPPY LOVER WANTED FOR 3 MONTHS
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:47:13 GMT


I wish you were in the Denver area, my Lady LOVES it when I have a long
term visitor for her to play with.  Lady also sleeps with me, thinks all
furniture is fine for her, and uses a pet door.  She gets tired of only
playing with the cats.  Children are also questionable to her.

Good luck finding a place for your dog, Val

:wq








Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: abb@unislc.uucp (Anne Beck)
Subject: Re: DQ at Working Events???
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:26:30 GMT

> What does 'cosmetic reasons' mean?  If it were true that dogs can be  
> disqualified in Obedience for altering their appearance for cosmetic  
> reasons, how could a docked Doberman compete in Obedience?  Would this  
> include things like my bracing a Collie puppy's ears to train them?  But I  
> know I've seen dogs that were docked and altered and also have obedience  
> titles.  Can anyone comment on how frequently this kind of  
> disqualification occurs in AKC Obedience trials and what it means?
> 

Except for those specific alterations (i.e., ear and tail docking) 
called for in the specific breed standards.  Bracing a dog's ears
would not be a disqualification.  Having a pink nose tatooed black
would (if anyone noticed).
-- 
   Anne Beck			| The difference between difficult
   abb@unislc  sun!unislc!abb   | dogs & vicious human beings is
   Unisys  SLC UT               | that difficult dogs don't rise to 
			        | prominent positions in the community.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: fencing
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:44:03 GMT

Laurie,

I tried to e-mail you but it bounced.  If you'll e-mail me at the
address below, I'll forward the bounced mail.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
From: jegm@cody.esd.sgi.com (Jim Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Microchip Implants
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:28:28 GMT
Reply-To: jegm@esd.sgi.com
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cody.esd.sgi.com

Yes They are available here, both mine have them.
Strangely though only one "took" well. Whenever I go to the vet I have them
check the implants with the scanner. One goes beep right off, no problem. The
other needs to be scanned multiple times before it registers. This worries me
as I'm sure the pounds only do a quick scan, and if no response then bye bye
pooch!

Anyway the vet said he would check with the manufacturers to see what could be
done about it.

I still think they are a good idea, if nothing else, for peace of mind.

-- 
Jim Morris, Email: jegm@esd.sgi.com  Voice: (415) 390-5136
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor)
Subject: Re: Veggie eating pup
Organization: not much...
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:50:46 GMT

> But PLEASE DON'T offer salmon.  We saw a dobie at our vet's once that was
> very ill and the vet told us that the dog had eaten salmon.  He also told
> us that if some dogs eat salmon, it can be fatal.

This contradicts my experience, and I'd like to know the scientific
justification; if you could ask your vet next time you see him, let me know...
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: royalty@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Chuck Royalty)
Subject: Re: pre-owned greyhounds
Organization: Boeing
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:22:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.130809.19984@linus.mitre.org> jfjr@mbunix.mitre.org (Freedman) writes:
>
>  BTAIM my wife is interested in used greyhounds - dogs retired from
>the track. She has heard that they are easy to carefore, even tempered
>in need of a home, and less likely to provoke her allergies but that
>is a concern.  Any comments
>warnings or advice?
>
>                                     Jerry Freedman,Jr

Remembering, of course, that the dogs vary in personality and (perhaps more
important) in how they've been treated:  We've found that your statements are
quite true.  Allergies in particular were of concern for us because of 
complications from asthma, and our greyhound has definitely been no problem
there.  We visited some first and made sure of that in advance, however.

He was two when we got him and we've also found him to be very affectionate,
trainable, and every bit what we hoped for in a dog (well, he isn't often in
the mood to play fetch, but we've learned to cope :-).  Oh yes, two kids,
9 & 11.  He's a great kid dog.

Check 'em out.
Chuck Royalty
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: getting a puppy
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 09:57:52 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu

In article <1993Jan21.001140.2060@csc.ti.com>
   prathima@market2 (Prathima Venkateswar) writes:
 
>What do you think about getting a dog from the pound.  I am aware that
>this will mean that we will probably not be able to get a retriever but
>maybe thats not so important after all! We just want a nice dog.
 
It's an excellent idea.  And you are actually quite likely to find
a golden at the pound (especially in a large city like Dallas).
 
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"
From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: fencing
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 09:37:58 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu

In article <1993Jan26.150704.26941@mips2.ma30.bull.com>
  dorff@granite.ma30.bull.com (Laurie A. Dorff) writes:
 
>get educated." (he was pretty rude about the whole thing).
 
I would NOT buy from that company, no matter what type/price of
fence they have.  And write a letter to the manager of the store and
tell them why (you don't remember the name of the person you talked to
do you?).
 
 
>Anyway, I started making more calls, and so far the recommendation
>is for a fused vinyl chain link - the fused vinyl keeps the dog
>from chewing directly on the chain, but cannot be chewed off.
>He said it would cost about $20/foot installed.
 
Pardon me, but what's the big deal with types of chain link fence?
Where I live, there is only 1 type (metal - aluminum alloy I believe).
I'ld say buy whatever fits your price/strength requirements and ignore
what the dog will do with it (so what if he chews on it).
 
 
      -----------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |   President - Bryan/College Station
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |         Retriever Club.
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |   "Dedicated to the betterment of
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |               the retrieving breeds"
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 11:05:03 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: Please! Help Save This Adorable Dog from Death!!
Comment-To: karen.l.fenton@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  I like this newsgroup as there are many different and unusual
problems that people here deal with.  I have been badly flamed here
though because I don't believe in using extreme methods of keeping
very old, very sick, or vicious animals alive.
  I have stayed out of this particular Poodle discussion because the
dear doggie in question apparently has a noticable mean streak.
However cute the dog is, I would not try to adopt it out if it indee d
has an unstable personality.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: Hillcrest Community BBS of San Diego..619-291-0544 HST (1:202/703)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor)
Subject: Re: sub
Organization: not much...
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:46:36 GMT

Unfortunately, I am on the wrong coast, or I'd try to help find a home for
her.  A mini poodle, especially one that's housebroken and well-behaved, is a
great companion for an older person.  One of our neighbors, shortly after her
husband died, saw my wife walking our first Standard Poodle and asked where we
got him.  The next day, she checked out a couple of shelters and came home
with a mini poodle; she's since said that she doesn't know how she'd have made
it through that period if not for the dog.

So perhaps your daughter, or some netter in your area, could contact
appropriate organizations, like widow/widower support groups, senior centers,
etc.  I'm sure that there are lots of people of all ages out there who'd want
this dog if they only knew about her, but it's hard to find them in the
general population; this would narrow the search.