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From: stu@otop23.oto.dec.com (Stuart MacKay)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Great Whites at Hatteras
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:10:48 GMT
Reply-To: stu@otop23.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Ottawa Ontario, Canada


I heard one the other day that I thought was interesting (or bulls**t :)

Apparently, Australias great white population has been over fished (killed).

Because of this, Cape Hatteras is now the largest population of
Great White sharks in the world.  So much so that people are now
afraid to sail on the ocean side and stick to the sound.

Now, I am from in land canada and would not even bother driving
20 hours to sail on flat water.  However, it is the best place around
for wind.

Has anyone out there heard this one?

Regards,
Stu MacKay
Ottawa, Canada
From: damouth@wrc.xerox.com (David E. Damouth)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Fresh water causes mildew on sails !
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:26:47 GMT
Reply-To: damouth@wrc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Webster Research Center

I too can testify that mildew is a real possibility.  The luff sleeve
is generally the slowest area to dry and the most likely to mildew.  It
isn't harmful on a synthetic sail, but it sure is ugly.

---
/Dave
David E. Damouth
Xerox Webster Research Center
damouth@wrc.xerox.com
voice: 716-422-3186
fax: 716-265-7133
From: ktc@onan.jhuapl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Danielle
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:26:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: aplcen.1992Sep29.172603.461
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

The poop on Danielle was that it was absorbed into a stationary front running  
up the coast from south of hatteras to offshore of new england. BTW, this is  
the BEST possible weather system for wind that we get on the east coast.  
Somebody wrote a short article about it in Windsurfing within the past year. 

With the stationary front, sequences of highs and lows move up the front (past  
your front door if you live on the Delmarva), resulting in alot of windy days  
when you are south of a high and north of a low. Draw a picture with isobars on  
it to see how there is an intensification of gradient wind in that part of the  
front. Downside is that just behind the front there'll be zilch.

Reality check: After Danielle was absorbed into the front, the Cheasapeake and  
Delmarva had THREE good days, peaking on friday, and dead flat on saturday (the  
low passed by friday night).

Kim
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: stig@stud.cs.uit.no (Stig Johansen)
Subject: Re: the courceracer is dead?
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 09:46:09 GMT

In article <183701@pyramid.pyramid.com>, billmar@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (William Martinson) writes:
Some lines deleted...
|> My experience this summer was 70% saiiing on a course board with a 7.4.  This
|> happened to be very competitive for the Friday Evening race series at the
|> St. Francis Yacht Club and also worked very well for the Bay Classic with a 
|> 6.6.

The Equipe is still very competitive on flat water, but now it's possible to 
beat an Equipe with an Explosion and a 7.2 cource-slalom sail. 

|> As far as non racing times are concerned I was usually sailing while most 
|> people were waiting for 5.0 conditions that never happened.  
|> 
|> And with respect to speed, if your not on the latest epoxy boards and race
|> sails a board like an equipe with the proper size sail will be nearly as fast
|> as a short board.  I think you would find sailing a long board just as 
|> thrilling and challenging and fun in many conditions you try to sail a short
|> board.

It's possible to have lots of fun on a long board in marginal conditions so
I'll reccommend it for recreational sailing. But I am going to sell mine,
because I cannot afford having four pure regatta boards (plus some wave boards).

|> 
|> Buy the board and enjoy more sailing time!
|> 
|> Bill Martinson
|> US-940
|> 
PS! My Equipe Xr is for sale:-)
-- 
//// Stig Johansen, research assistant //    Email: stig@stud.cs.uit.no  /
/// Computer Science Department       //    Phone : +47 83 44121        //
// University of Tromsoe             //    Telefax: +47 83 44580       ///
/ N-9037 TROMSOE, NORWAY            //                                ////
From: jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: BOARDS ON SALE
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:47:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: wyse.3864
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

In article <3782@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> sjm2458@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve McCarthy) writes:
>In article <12600388@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz) writes:
>> In rec.windsurfing, <RAIMONDI@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
>> > 8.6 BIC RAP '91 in excellent conditions:       $370
>> > 9.2 PURE FUN board in fiberglass in excellent conditions: $130
>> > e-mail to RAIMONDI@SLACVM           OR PHONE ME AT:   415-926-2813
>> 
>> 	I've got 4 copies of this post.  Is anybody else getting pissed
>> 	off about this?
>
>
>   Yeah.  I really wonder why people post "For Sale" ads in here at all.
>Like I am really going to buy a used board or sail from somebody in
>New Jersey, Colorado, or Bay Area.
>
>   C'mon, people, make use of the "Distribution:" part at the top, and limit
>the for sale stuff to your local area.
>-- 

Well, speaking purely for myself:

1. Volume in this group is not that great.

2. I'm interested in reading ANYTHING about windsurfing. 

3. I don't see the big difference between reading about something for
sale the other side of the counry and reports about conditions the other
side of the country.

4. You can choose what you want to read. At least you can with our
news reader.

5. I have sold quite a lot of stuff succesfully through this group. Some
of it going to people a LONG way away.

6. I have seen stuff sold from New Jersey and shipped to California.

7. I am not pissed of at all.

Jim Munro
From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 07:49:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Optimal Sail Quivers
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

> So I'm confused.  I thought that race sails have a narrower, not a wider,
> wind range than intermediate sails, and that's why one needs more of them.  Am
> I just wrong?

    Yes you are wrong.  Race sails generally hold their shape longer
    over a wider wind range.  In my view, the only reasons *not* to use
    race sails are cost, durability, or maneuverability (i.e., wave
    sailing).  I find them *easier* to use than lower-cost sails. 

> I don't really agree.  I sail my current board (Mike's Lab 120l 9'3") 
> from 8.4 to 5.0 conditions (I'm 145 lbs).  I tried it once at 4.5,...

    I sailed my 9'0, 112 liter CFX in 4.0 conditions a couple of days
    and in 3.5 conditions one day at the Gorge this year.  The board was
    a little big for that, but not unmanageable.  I just went to a 10"
    wave fin and sailed in areas with small swell (~3 feet).  This board
    performs nicely under sails up to 6.2; I use 13.5" and 14.5" blades
    for less wind.  At first I was appalled at the prospect of 
    needing a fin quiver as well as a sail quiver, but it's cheaper
    (and easier to carry) than a deep board quiver.

> Say I get a 4.5 and a 5.5  (22% bigger).  Do I need a sail in between?  

    Depends on how good your sails are (how wide their ranges are) and
    your rigging technique.  When my race sails get real hard to handle,
    I figure I can go down 1 meter (2 sizes) in sail size.  I still
    have sails at 0.5 m increments because it lets me hit the wind
    range I need with just one sail more often.


Ken Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com
From: rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: North Flex Top ... +++++ RUMORS!!!!!
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:45:03 GMT
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.

In article <1992Oct4.092340.27564@nntp.hut.fi> jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) writes:
>Some of you may remember my article on finding the right mast for the
>North sails that I have. I came to the conclusion that the North constant
>curve masts gave better results than the flex tops even though officially
>North recommended the flex tops.

A little North bashing here...

At one time, I had a quiver of North Slalom Speed and Infinity sails.
I was using the "recommended" North mast base and tips (Dynamic Speed
AL75, yellow top, pupple top, aluminum top).  I tried rigging them
every conceivable way.  I asked the dealer to assist me (he has 13
years windsurfing experience).  The sails never performed the way I
felt they should.  I finally dumped them.

RUMOR 1: I heard that North has a new policy for 1993 equipment.  They
will no longer sell just sails to their dealers.  The dealer will be
required to purchase an additional 80% of masts, bases, booms, etc.
This means if a dealer wants to buy $10K worth of sails, they will be
required to purchase $8K worth of other North products.

RUMOR 2: Also heard that Gaastra is offering dealers new sails at 40%
off of their normal wholesale price.  To qualify, the dealer must have
leftover 1992 sails and may purchase up to the wholesale value of the
old sails in new sails.  Don't know if it included return of old sails
or what.

Any dealers out there know about these rumors?
-- 

>>=-  Roger Christal  rogerc@techbook.com  rogerc@ssd.intel.com  -=<<
From: rriv@oural.inria.fr (Robert Riviere)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: jerome where are you
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:15:03 GMT
Organization: Cermics/Inria-Sophia Antipolis

Sorry to waste  bandwidth... but mail to jerome@iac.uunet.uu.net bounced.
Please re-send me a good address.
-- 
Robert Riviere
(rriv@sophia.inria.fr)				Tel: (33) 93.65.79.06
Inria/CERMICS					Fax: (33) 93.65.77.40
BP 93                              06902	Sophia Antipolis Cedex
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: henry@convex.com (Lee Henry)
Subject: Re: Fresh water causes mildew on sails !
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:04:11 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I have heard that the modern sail materials do not mildew but, the dirt
on them will.  Ever since I have put sails away wet, stored them for weeks
in a sail bag which is in another bag and pulled them out wet with no mildew.
I keep my sails pretty clean and rarely get to sail in salt water.

Lee Henry
henry@convex.com
From: chaput@hq.af.mil (Capt Dave Chaput)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Good Sailing locations around D.C.?
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:14:37 GMT
Organization: 7CG/XPXA

Does anyone know of any good places to sail around the D.C. area?
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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Subject: BIC Adagio comments??
Keywords: BIC Adagio
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:25:08 GMT

I'm planning on getting a new board. for financial reasons and local dealer
availablility, it will probably be a BIC. I currently sail an Astro Rock and
what I'm looking for is a board that will be happier in higher winds and some
chop. 

My choices seem to be the Adagio and the E-rock. The e-rock is the more
popular, but the Adagio is advertized as somewhat faster??


Are there any Adagio users out there with comments???

thanks -


--
chad
price@helios.unl.edu
cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
From: hortin_lab@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: re: windtalker
Date: 2 OCT 92 08:40:13 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

the one in st. louis was opperated by the sailing assoc. before the windsurfing club took it over.  you might want to see if there is any sailing/yatching club in your area that already has one. they could tell you the inside story on setting one up.
From: peter@ski.austin.ibm.com (Peter Jeffe 512.838.4019)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Costa Rica
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:12:19 GMT
Organization: The Kernel Group, Inc.

I have been told that there is no wind to be had in Costa Rica during the
dry season (roughly the northern winter) except in the northwest, i.e.
Lake Arenal and the extreme northwest coast.  Is this true?  I'd really
like to hear from anyone who's been there, since I need to decide whether
to bring my own stuff, and how much.  Thanks!  (Please post or email to
the address below.)

peter jeffe  peter@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com
-- 
peter jeffe  peter@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: westes@sti.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Trade Show In San Francisco?
Organization: Mail Group
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:50:04 GMT

Someone recently told me that there is a trade show coming to San
Francisco for windsurfing.  Can someone post details and a contact phone
number?
-- 
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 08:01:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Board weight and planing
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

> One of my sailing friends tells me that taking five pounds off the board
> will help induce early planing a lot more than taking five pounds off
> the sailor.  I agree with him but don't really understand the physics of
> the situation.  Does someone out there know how to explain this?

If you just stand on your board waiting to plane, board weight may make
no more difference than the sailor's weight.  But if you pump your board
onto a plane, board weight figures directly in how much extra board
speed you can get for a given pumping force (you know, a=f/m). 


Ken Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:40:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Optimal Sail Quivers
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

Me thinks that the more one spends, if spent wisely, the more "tuned to the
conditions" one can be.

>Regarding: From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
>
>> I like the good race sails as they seem to have a good, wide range (but then
>> I haven't sailed the other sails ).  I am not an expert but have sailed
>> Race sails for quite some time.
>
>So I'm confused.  I thought that race sails have a narrower, not a wider,
>wind range than intermediate sails, and that's why one needs more of them.  Am
>I just wrong?
>
I believe that intermediate sails are easier to handle and allow one to have
fun while keeping bad habits.  I've sailed my 3 Cam 5.6 Sailworks Race sail
in 4.5 conditions while I couldn't do anything but plow with a friend's
5.0 single cam intermediate sail.  After the experiment, I rigged my 4.5
race sail and went out and had alot more fun.  I think one can get away with
1 meter increments with good race sails and alot of pumping ability PLUS
good rigging knowledge.

Having 0.5 meter increments allows you to more closely rig for the
conditions.

Kirk
From: damouth@wrc.xerox.com (David E. Damouth)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: wet suits
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:47:46 GMT
Reply-To: damouth@wrc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Webster Research Center


There's an intermediate between your alternatives: instead of discarding it, cut the sleeves off above the elbow.  Actually, O'Neil makes a windsurfing wetsuit where the sleeves are loose nylon and the rest of the suit is conventional tight neoprene.   I have a farmer john style (no sleeves).  In cold weather, I wear a Goretex jacket over it, and the combination is surprisingly warm.  Add a pfd under the jacket and it's warmer yet.
 
/Dave
David E. Damouth
Xerox Webster Research Center
damouth@wrc.xerox.com
voice: 716-422-3186
fax: 716-265-7133
From: einart@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Einar Traa)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Fresh water causes mildew on sails -- NOT!!!
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:48:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: sail.12634
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

>Mildew caused by packing away a sail damp from fresh water seems to be an 
>urban legend.  I had heard this statement before and specifically asked the

The urban legend comes from the old cotton sails. If you put them away wet
you could expect mildew.   Mildew eats cotton.  Mildew does not eat
polyester, though it may cause stains if there is something on your sails
that mildew eats.
From: rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Optimal Sail Quivers
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:12:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: SSD.1992Oct6.171205.18712
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.

>(Dan Driscoll) writes:
>"Race sails handle a wider range than rec sails"?

This is a pretty technical issue that is really hard to explain
properly, especially since I am not a sail designer.  If you are
interested, go to your local shop and pick up Issue 3, 1992 of
Performance Windsurf Report.  It contains an interview with Sailworks
designer Bruce Peterson who discusses in some detail how these sails
work.  It's good reading.

If you can't locate a copy of the interview, I'll contact the magazine
and see about reprinting portions of the intervierw here.  Let me
know.
-- 

>>=-  Roger Christal  rogerc@techbook.com  rogerc@ssd.intel.com  -=<<
From: bmh@louvre.cs.unc.edu (Brad Hemminger)
Newsgroups: help,rec.windsurfing
Subject: Anyone know of a wxmap server?
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:59:07 GMT
Followup-To: poster


Some folks have described using the wxmap program.  Unluckily, I am unable
to access the host server suggested in the rec.windsurfing newsgroup
(walter.bellcore.com).  Does anyone know of any hosts that have the wxmap
server running (port 612) that allows connections from outside machines?

Thanks, Brad
bmh@rad.unc.edu

Error I get is 
    Unable to connect to remote host: Host is unreachable
when trying to connect to walter.bellcore.com on port 612.

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: alan@sj.ate.slb.com (Alan Noble)
Subject: Re: Coast Guard Search on Tues night
Reply-To: noble@sj.ate.slb.com (Alan "Mudgroper" Noble)
Organization: Schlumberger Technologies, San Jose, CA.
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 20:10:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.114904@wsl.dec.com> gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten) writes:
>I heard something about this on the Radio Wedesday morning.
>Reportedly the sailor was some 6 miles out the gate!  The
>cruise ship made an attempt to throw him a line but was going
>to fast, so they radioed the Coast Guard.  However, the 
>sailor made it back under his own power!  They didn't say 
>when he made it back -- I assumed he made it back on Tuesday
>without spending the night out there, but I dunno for sure.  
>
>Anybody hear anything else?  Did he sail back, paddle or swim? 
>Was he ok?  Did he lose equipment?  When did he make it back?
>Enquiring minds want to know!

I read something about this in the local section of SJ Mercury earlier
this week.  He broke his mast under the Golden Gate and got swept
several miles out to sea on the ebb.  It seems he waited several hours
for the ebb to subside before seriously trying to paddle back.  Ended
up spending about 6 hours out there and paddling about 3 miles, before
landing on the Marin side.  I presume he ditched everything but the
board.

Alan




Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: gb0wbff@vm.tcs.tulane.edu
Subject: Re: wet suits
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-8397]: boxorain.sob.tulane.edu
Organization: Freeman School of Business, Tulane University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:19:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.151545.6604@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> felixc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com
(felix.cabral) writes:
>There is no way to stretch your wetsuit. My advise would be to check out
>the O'Neill drysuit (oasis). It has oversized arms and shoulders. I use
>mine in full wetsuit weather.

The winter season is starting here in New Orleans, so a couple of drysuit
questions are in order-
1. Is there any mailorder or other outlet for O'Neill, esp. one that price
discounts, except not Windsurfing by Mail, I too have had bad experiences with
them.
2. I wear a meduim in O'Neill's wetsuits, (5"9" and 165lbs.) but I seem to have
a large neck, 16 1/2", will this give me a lot of trouble putting a drysuit on
and off, do I need to get a custom neckseal?

Also on a different subject, for you folks that have windtalkers around-
1.  How do they work- gives you speed (average and gusts?) and direction?
2.  Who generally provides them, YC, shop, club, or a group effort?
3.  Where would one get the hardware?
4.  How are they paid for, so much per call like a local 900# (dial Hot wind
8^)?

									Rick Boebel
From: sjm2458@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve McCarthy)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: BOARDS ON SALE
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:52:12 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services, Seattle

In article <12600388@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, toma@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Tom Albertz) writes:
> In rec.windsurfing, <RAIMONDI@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
> > 8.6 BIC RAP '91 in excellent conditions:       $370
> > 9.2 PURE FUN board in fiberglass in excellent conditions: $130
> > e-mail to RAIMONDI@SLACVM           OR PHONE ME AT:   415-926-2813
> 
> 	I've got 4 copies of this post.  Is anybody else getting pissed
> 	off about this?


   Yeah.  I really wonder why people post "For Sale" ads in here at all.
Like I am really going to buy a used board or sail from somebody in
New Jersey, Colorado, or Bay Area.

   C'mon, people, make use of the "Distribution:" part at the top, and limit
the for sale stuff to your local area.
-- 
    Steve McCarthy, speaking solo por mio       | "I'm not a C programmer,
      reply: sjm2458@bcstec.ca.boeing.com       |  but I play one on TV..."
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Subject: Re: Tiga 268 SLR (was: Re: BIC Adagio comments??)
Keywords: Tiga 270, Sputnik
Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:23:36 GMT

In article <1aek3rINNm26@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk> ds@doc.ic.ac.uk (David Sands) writes:
>In <1992Sep30.190206.19947@nntp.hut.fi> jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) writes:
>>The current 270 SLR is triple concave and it's just as fast or faster than
>>a Sputnik 270. (The February 92 test says that the Tiga is faster.)
>
>Which test was that? When the tiga 270 came out everybody seemed so be
>saying that it was easily the fastest production board around, but
>since then I have not heard much about it. The sputnik 270 seems to
>dominate the world production speed events, so it gets a lot more
>publicity, but I guess this could be down to the sailors who are
>sponsored by them.

The German Surf magazine indicated this in their 1991 and 1992 tests.
The compare the boards in groups and the Tiga 270 was the second fastest
board in the 1992 tests. (A HiFly limited edition board was the fastest.)

The thing that may be throwing off these tests is that they use the
standard fins that come with the boards. F2 fins probably aren't as
good as the current Tiga fins. The HiFly that didn't come with a fin,
so they used a Rainbow V2 blade... no wonder it was fast.

-- 
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software