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From: jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary of Japanese Amer. Internment
Date: 18 Nov 92 02:29:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24222
Reply-To: jj@alice.UUCP (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch)
Distribution: usa
Organization: NJ State Home for Bewildered Terminals

Ye loaves and little fishies!  I'm so annoyed by a third-party
quote of the Dwight-turtle that I'm actually replying to it!

>>	> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) : raves in his usual
fashion:

>>	> my site.  This is not a joke. (I suspect that Ms. Cheung is 
>>	> aware of this, since she has never once sent me e-mail despite 
>>	> her gaming attitude on s.c.a.a.)
GAMING attitude?  GAMING?  What is this, Dwighty boy?
You think racism is a bloody GAME? <fume, fume>

The only attitude I see here at the minute is your racist attitude
toward anything that might have been Chinese once 500 years ago,
let alone something that might be Chinese now, and the indignant
replies to your disingenious ravings.

What are you saying here, Dwight, about e-mail?  Why would
somebody NOT send you e-mail if they were being forthright,
honest, and with law and propriety?  What are you saying?
(I have no idea what Melinda has said either in e-mail or
over nutnoise <um, I mean netnews>, and I have no idea
if it's within good debate techniques or not, but with
your words here, I'm inclined to give her the benefit
of doubt, based strictly on YOUR words.)

On another topic, since I've been silent for a while:

It's neat, my 2.5 yr old daughter is teaching ME Mandarin
now! Yay!  And her pronounciation is pretty good, too,
if I can understand it!

Finally:

As I've said before,  I propose that we all IGNORE the
Dwight-guay, and maybe he'll just go'way.

Sometimes, silence IS golden.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: mail-order bride
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:46:38 GMT

>In article <1992Nov20.032627.3770@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>It will be relatively easy to find, not just 1, but several women
>>who suit your tastes, and I'm sure that you will suit their tastes
>>as well.  Have fun, but wear umbrella.  It's not the law; it's common
>>sense.

I am sure this makes Dwight Joe a promoter of promiscuity, helping to
exploit existing alleged ills of a society half way around the world.
Clearly Dwight Joe is blinded and obsessed to see anything that can be
said of negative in Chinese society, and one wonders what's news about
his Dwight Joe's behavior?
From: pattisan@midiline.la.ca.us (Patti Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Hoax
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 17:49:28 PST
Organization: MIDILine BBS - Altadena, CA - (818) 797-3285

apparently I allowed my button to get pushed on a post from a a jerk using
another person's name..  I apologize to one and all.
 



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From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:54:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: hspice.1992Nov18.195437.4049
Organization: Meta - Software

In article <1992Nov17.025536.10468@cis.ohio-state.edu> chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.014737.2465@hspice.portal.com> georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:
>>  In article <1992Nov11.154205.24942@cis.ohio-state.edu> chandra@cannelloni.ci>s.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:

>>>The real issue is what to make of such average group behaviors, and
>>>how to use the information re. them.  For example, if it is in fact
>>>true that incidence of racist anti-black feelings are high among
>>>Chinese-Americans, then we can institute consciousness-raising programs.

>>     Mr. Chandrasekaran, your oh so academic objection seems to have
>>convicted Chinese-Americans in absentia.  I find such behavior irresponsible,
>>at best.  Please convince me it's just a poor choice of wording.

>Mr. Wu, with all due respect, this is nonsense.  I was not agreeing or
>disagreeing with Mr. Wei, but I was responding to someone else saying
>that one should never talk about group behavior, and I was saying, no,
>there are times it is useful, especially if it is empirically backed
>up and it can result in guide to action.  I said, "..if it is in fact
>true..", not that it is true, and hence instead of being a poor choice
>of words, it is a careful choice of words.  I don't know many
>Chinese-Americans, and I don't have any idea if they are racist, but
>it is possible, and if so, a bit of soul-searching wouldn't hurt them.
>In sci, many Indians have critiqued the tendency of Indians to be
>racist, and I think thinking about that has been salutary for Indians.

     You have my apology, sir.  Despite the qualifications, I read your
post as implying racism exists among Chinese-Americans, at least in greater
proportion than any other cultural group.  The qualifications seemed as only
poor camoflauge.

     Now it is clear I was wrong.  Again, I apologize, and thank you for
the clarification.

							George


-- 
----
George J Wu,  georgew@hspice.portal.com or georgew@metasw.com
Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
Never be the first to believe.  Never be the last to deceive.  ---  Chess
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From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:57:31 GMT
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1992Nov17.051915.8473@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>First off, I never said that I hate Chinese-ge (people who are genetically
>Chinese).  Second, the only thing that I've said is that I condemned Chinese-cu
>(i.e. culturally Chinese sense) culture.

This guy is so ignorant, his eyes can only see the bad side of
Chinese cultures, without noticing a lot of the good points.
It is a waste of time to discuss with him.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.discrimination
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:06:11 GMT

In article <BxJHwH.J4x@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:

>The Chinese and other Asians are facing more
>racial discriminations than any other ethnic groups today!

     Supporting evidence?  I ask merely because I'm inclined to disagree.
I'd think black man in this country is far more likely to be turned down for
a job, refused a loan, insulted, or be found beaten to the pavement than an
Asian.

     Additionally, I don't see the point in anyone claiming to be the most
downtrodden.

>As for my comments, I simply stated that there is too much anti-Asian
>feeling even among the other minority groups in the Democratic party

     Again, examples?  I'm not aware of any such bias.  I know there are
some bad feelings between some minorities (blacks and Koreans, or blacks
and Jews, for instance), but I don't see a connection to the Democratic
Party.  I also wonder if such behavior isn't really fairly isolated, for
instance to Louis Farakan.

							George


-- 
----
George J Wu,  georgew@hspice.portal.com or georgew@metasw.com
Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
Never be the first to believe.  Never be the last to deceive.  ---  Chess
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,alt.discrimination
From: bshieh@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Ben Shieh)
Subject: Asian American Studies Paper
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:58:01 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Miscegenation Law in California 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:10:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.174543.10097@cs.ucla.edu> yoshio@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Yoshio Turner) writes:
>wdrew@iat.holonet.net (Walter H. Drew) writes:
>>During the 1939s or 1940s was there a law which prevented marriage between
>>Chinese and Caucasians in California? If so, would the law have applied to
>>an Amerasian?
>What is an "Amerasian" ?

Means, a person half or mix blood of asian (E and SE) and white.
This is probably a more broad definition then it should, and a misnomer.

I first heard the term when refering to children born of Vietnamese
women and American fathers (not neccessarily white) during the Vietnam War.
From: jimmy@clipper.ingr.com (Jimmy Blair)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: New Yorker article on Green Dragons
Date: 19 Nov 92 19:39:18 GMT
Organization: Intergraph Advanced Processor Division - Palo Alto, CA



	Last week's New Yorker has a very interesting article
	called "Annals of Crime:  Revenge of the Green Dragons:"
	It's a well-written 20 page piece about the establishment
	and activities of the Green Dragons in New Chinatown, Queens.
	The sources are interviews and grand jury transcipts
	from several murder trials.  That's not to say that the
	story is dry -- there's plenty of drama and action as
	some violent scenes are described and the life
	stories of several interesting people are told.
	The article explains the rise of the new style gangs and
	their dissociation from the traditional tongs.

	The same issue of New Yorker also has a review of that
	new film of the Marguerite Duras novel that has been
	discussed recently in this newsgroup.
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From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Living on Planet Me)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary of Japanese Amer. Internment
Date: 16 Nov 1992 22:09:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


	(John Kawakami) :
	> Uh Oh!  My "Chino Alert 3X" radar scanner, which I boosted from 
	> some Raza in L.A., just went off.  I guess it thought "Yaohan" 
	> was Chinese, ey.  Really, it's a Japanese owned department store. 
	> Even though it sounds Chinese. Really.  You have to believe me...

Hey I believe you! Yaohan is a great Japanese supermarket. They also
serve up great noodle soup in their cafeteria. Really! You have
to believe me ...


	Melinda  ;^)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary of Japanese Amer. Internment
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:43:21 GMT

In article <24222@alice.att.com> jj@alice.att.com (jj, curmudgeon and all-around grouch) writes:

All right!  Nice to see you back in these parts!  This newsgroup hasn't been
the same since you left.

However, not to knock you or anything, but I just had to point out:

>Ye loaves and little fishies!  I'm so annoyed by a third-party
>quote of the Dwight-turtle that I'm actually replying to it!
>
>[reply to Dwight deleted]

and later:

>As I've said before,  I propose that we all IGNORE the
>Dwight-guay, and maybe he'll just go'way.

Hmm, perhaps this is easier said than done?  :-) :-)

But anyway...

>On another topic, since I've been silent for a while:
>
>It's neat, my 2.5 yr old daughter is teaching ME Mandarin
>now! Yay!  And her pronounciation is pretty good, too,
>if I can understand it!

Congratulations!  This is good news for both of you.

However, I gotta ask you a question.  What do you think about the issue of
spanking children as a means of disciplining them?  :-) :-) :-)

Jim

p.s. Hey, I just had to give you a little bit of a hard time.  :-)
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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Date: 18 Nov 92 06:48:22 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Nov18.030305.3564@hspice.portal.com> georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:
>In article <BxvLMz.EF8@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>
>>A QUALIFIED Asian is far more likely to be turned down for admission to 
>>a university than a far less qualified black, or even than a somewhat less
>>qualified white.  The same holds for jobs.
>
>     There are those who would argue this is simply because the black man
>has had far more obstacles to overcome merely to become qualified to apply
>for admission.  That, of course, doesn't justify turning away the Asian,
>merely helping the black man overcome societal/institutionalized obstacles.
>Unfortunately, one implies the other.

In other words, you agree?

>     Consider the effect this would have on precollege applications.  If a
>black man is 60% more likely not to get a house loan, he's far less likely
>to be able to send his kids to college.  He won't be able to buy the house
>in the "good" school district, where they teach Calculus AB.  His kids will
>remain in the ghetto school, where the district allocates it's funds not to
>precollege courses, but to metal detectors and substance abuse programs.  His
>kids won't make friends with professor's kids and look up to the doctor next
>door.  They'll hang out with kids who's aspirations peak at beating a rival
>gang for sales territory.  Instead of putting money into owning a house which
>will hopefully appreciate, serves as a tax break, and against which he can
>borrow college funds, that black man will be paying rent, money which he'll
>never again see.

Inspiring story, but like I've said earlier:
No matter how capable a man is, he is useless unless he can make himself
useful. That is the case in rural China: there is a lot of talent locked in
there, but unless somebody can exploit it, its only use is to farm a ricefield

But, you cannot simply say, we must accept so many people from rural China,
because that's like drawing a lottery ticket: you cannot differentiate the
strong-potentials from the underqualified candidates.

My solutions? Make America aware of its educational problems. Support academics
not atheletics. If kids today see their football captains as their heroes and
A students as nerds, what are their chances of taking academics seriously??
They must learn to understand the importance of and appreciate knowledge, to
realize that it's the survival of the fittest, that intelligence IS life.

>George J Wu,  georgew@hspice.portal.com or georgew@metasw.com
>Meta-Software,  1300 White Oaks Road,  Campbell, CA 95008,  (408) 369-5400
>Never be the first to believe.  Never be the last to deceive.  ---  Chess

NW
From: sieh@panix.com (Lui Sieh)
Subject: Re: OFWM / OMWF relationships
Summary: ARGH!
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:47:06 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

Quick Alan, send the man the FAQ!!!

-- 
//Lui Sieh
Dum loquimur, fugerit invida Aetas: carpe diem, quam minimum postero.  
Horace, Odes, I.xi.7;	<-- "Why post to USENET?" -Brian O.  Indeed.
What about my opinions?   ====>>   /dev/null     or    sieh@panix.com 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 03:45:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.235501.18094@tcsi.com> othar@agave.tcs.com
(Othar Hansson) writes:
>Not only that, but Dwight's libel exemplifies a style of argument that
>does not deserve our attention.  Dwight began by making generalizations
>without providing meaningful corroborating evidence, and then moved on
>to personal attacks and misattribution of beliefs.  It is not an
>argument, and it is no longer even entertaining.

Mr. George Wu (georgew@hspice.portal.com) posted a wordy treatise that
focused on two claims:

(1) A person cannot judge a culture unless she has met everyone who
    claims to be a member of that culture.  Otherwise, she is racist.
(2) Mr. Wu accuses me of criticizing Chinese-cu culture using evidence
    that, in Mr. Wu's opinion, is poor, illogical, or plain stupid.
    Therefore, in Mr. Wu's opinion, the only reason for my criticism
    of Chinese culture is an underlying racist hatred of Chinese-ge people.

(-ge = genetically speaking, -cu = culturally speaking)

I have already refuted the first claim (#1) by pointing out the following.
Mr. Wu does not believe Nazism to be bad because he refuses to judge it
since he hasn't met everyone who claims to be a Nazi.

Before I move to point #2, I should point out that I have never
once, even remotely, said anything bad about Chinese-ge children.  On
the contrary, I support them very much, and with great sorrow, I pity
many of them for having the misfortune of being reared in Chinese-cu
culture.  I have donated specifically to those charities that
help children of all ethnicities.

I criticize culture, not ethnicity.  I do not believe that culture (behavior)
= ethnicity (genetics)

Anyhow, I also choose to use Mr. Wu's logic in point #2.  Namely,

     I accuse Mr. Wu of defending Chinese-cu culture using evidence
     that, in my opinion, is poor, illogical, or plain stupid.
     Therefore, in my opinion, the only reason for Mr. Wu's defense
     of Chinese culture is an underlying racist hatred of non-Chinese-ge
     people.

Therefore, I insist that Mr. Wu is a racist.  Further, I insist that he
cannot distinguish between culture and ethnicity (i.e. between behavior
and genetics).  He also believes that the dark-skinned peoples are inferior.

Mr. George Wu is a racist and is a fine example of Chinese-cu culture,
regardless of what he claims in some of his posts.

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From: mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Basu Mukherjee)
Subject: an appeal to help poor children in india
Organization: Dakota State University, Madison, SD
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:40:36 GMT

==============================================================================
		An Appeal To Help Poor Students In India
   Contribute to RAMAKRISHNA MISSION BOYS' HOME, RAHARA, WB, INDIA

Swami Vivekananda once said,'Service to man is service to god'. Following
his footprints, Ramakrishna Mission organizations, established by Swamiji
himself, have been serving the poor and the distressed for about a century. 
Millions of people, including this author have directly or indirectly
benifited from the social-welfare and educational programs of Ramakrishna
Mission. Today, after a century old tradition of service, this organization
faces a daunting challenge in the face of a steep economic crisis. 

Ramakrishana Mission, Rahara is an organization that was established about
thirty five years ago at Rahara, a small village near Calcutta, West Bengal.
What started with  twenty eight orphan students under the auspicious
leadership of Swami Punyananda has , over the years, has grown into an
organization of over a thousand students offering educational services at
all levels. Ramakrishna Mission, Rahara has also a rich tradition of providing
free education to thousands of orphan students over these years and help
them become useful members of the society. Right now, there are 750 orphan
students at Rahara whose future is at stake due to a steep budget crisis and
lack of adequate governmental help.

According to Swami Jayananda, secretary, R.K. Mission, Rahara, it takes only 
14 dollars/month to support an orphan student at school in Rahara. 

We are trying to coordinate an effort to help these poor students by 
contributing to Ramakrishana Mission . 

If you are interested, please send e-mail to
	
	mukherjb@dsuvax.dsu.edu
		or
	ritwik@parrot.creighton.edu.

You may also directly contact

		Swami Jayananda, secretary
		Ramakrishana Mission Boys' Home
		Rahara, 24 Paraganas(N)
		West Bengal - 743186 
		India  
		Telephone - 91-33-531219

Your interested may pave the way for an orphan child to a brighter future.
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.discrimination
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Subject: Re: What is real racism? (Re: Was: Why rish asians should vote Republican)
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:47:22 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.000611.2346@hspice.portal.com> georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu) writes:
>In article <BxJHwH.J4x@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:

>>The Chinese and other Asians are facing more
>>racial discriminations than any other ethnic groups today!

>     Supporting evidence?  I ask merely because I'm inclined to disagree.
>I'd think black man in this country is far more likely to be turned down for
>a job, refused a loan, insulted, or be found beaten to the pavement than an
>Asian.

>     Additionally, I don't see the point in anyone claiming to be the most
>downtrodden.

A QUALIFIED Asian is far more likely to be turned down for admission to 
a university than a far less qualified black, or even than a somewhat less
qualified white.  The same holds for jobs.

>>As for my comments, I simply stated that there is too much anti-Asian
>>feeling even among the other minority groups in the Democratic party

>     Again, examples?  I'm not aware of any such bias.  I know there are
>some bad feelings between some minorities (blacks and Koreans, or blacks
>and Jews, for instance), but I don't see a connection to the Democratic
>Party.  I also wonder if such behavior isn't really fairly isolated, for
>instance to Louis Farakan.

There are far too many unqualified people in important positions as it is.
In 1950, when there were real barriers against blacks, I would have had no
hesitancy in trusting a black MD or PhD.  The major barriers in the academic
community came down around 1952 for competent ones.  

The unsuccessful minorities do have a legitimate complaint, but it is not
the one they are making.  Their complaint should be against those minions
of the miseducational establishment who will not allow the students who
can and are willing to get the quality education which the Asians are able
to get in their schools, because their children are all willing and their
culture considers education first.  Any community which considers its
athletes as more worthy of respect than its scholars will put obstacles
in the way of its children becoming scholars, wittingly or unwittingly.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
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