From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Eidolon)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: TOO YOUNG TO CHOOSE
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:47:21 +1030
Organization: That damn kid is still here!

In article <1992Oct31.185856.14431@ncsu.edu>, jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu
(JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes:

> |>In article <1992Oct21.202205.24154@ncsu.edu>, jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu
> |>(JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes:

> Gee Whiz I've never seen or heard of a sperm or unfertilized egg develop
> into a human life but I know for a fact and so does any somewhat inelligent

What, you mean it comes out of the ovary already fertilized already? WOW!
That means that sperm are just pesky little no good invaders! This IS
news!

> person that a fertilized egg will develop and become a human life if the
> circumstances are right.Not all fertilized eggs devvelop there are ones that

An unfertilized egg will develop and become human life if the circumstances
are right.

> fail to implant and ones that are miscarriaged but if the circumstances are
> right we have a human life on our hands.

May you never be in a position to operate a nuclear reactor. If it
goes wild you'll just sit back and let it develop. Sometimes it will
fail to start or fail to to blow up, but hey, at least we didn't
deliberately interrupt nature's course!

> |>Tell me, what difference is there between a seperated sperm and an egg
> |>and a joined sperm and an egg? The potential for life is just the same,
> |>unless something drastic happens (like some rubber gets in the way)
> |>that is going to swim up and be a human too. You going to suggest
> |>banning contraception too since that is denying life also?

> Contraception does not deny life because there is no life created using
> contraception. Contraception means preventing conception. If there is no 
> life created there is none to deny.

That's the whole point, life HAS been denied! What difference is there
between denying life just before and just after fusion? Are you telling
me that the now fertilized cell is VASTLY different from an egg and
a sperm cell just apart from each other?

> Why does she have a "guilt trip" if she has made an informed choice and
> decided abortion is the way to go? Why would she be ashamed if she knew all
> the facts? Let's face it having made an informed decision she would
> know that she has taken a human life and would feel guilty or ashamed about it.

A fetus is as much a whole human life as a chunk of skin cells.
Your method of telling the 'facts' would include calling the fetus a
person so would try to make her feel guilty on this point. In telling
the whole story, defining exactly what is inside her would have to be
included. This is the impasse between PL & PC. What is that (for the
lack of a better word) 'thing'? A clump of unwanted cells or a person?

>       	"What is legally permissible rapidly comes to be seen as
> 	 morally acceptable" 

In other words, what isn't morally acceptable should become illegal. Uh
oh, another one of them that would legislate morals...

It's also wrong. I can't recall seeing too many laws legally requiring
women to be married over the last few hundred years (women in had their
rights restricted yes, but where not LEGALLY FORCED to marry). Instead it
was these morals which were supposed to have rapidly dissapeared then
kept them enslaved.

A woman shall be saved through childbirth according to Paul, thus a
woman is not saved if she does't attempt childbirth, hence a woman
who hasn't had children suffers the same consequenes as the immoral
[since both are unsaved] so to all intents and purposes the denial of
motherhood is immoral. However, although marriage was not forced there
where damn few women who didn't become mothers wihthout a valid pious
excuse (such as a nun).

> 			- Cardinal Cahal Daly of Ireland
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