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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 92 23:09:52 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      NBLINGUA troubles
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This may sound esoteric to many of you; but has anybody working
with NBLINGUA succeeded in getting Series #2 footnotes, regulated
to reset on every page, in Hebrew documents, to operate correctly?
I am referring to asterisk fns defined with SF2,-*1 (or -*).
This category used to work without any problems with both Shapirit
(3.0) and 3.1. What I get in NBLINGUA is asterisks as call signs,
but Arabic numbers as footnote sign (I have changed CK in NBFORMAT
to *).

Worse than that, the delta FN definitions have no control over
the footnotes themselves. Unless I add LA4,LR0 and FF5 deltas/codes
in each single Hebrew footnote, I cannot write it properly, and
it does not get printed properly.

If I use the menu for generating footnote style, although I
indicate 'right-left' direction, it porsistently defines LA=1
rather than LA=4. But even if I change this manually, it has no
affect om Series #2 (it seems to have affect on #1, but unless
the right codes are also inserted, footnotes do not print
correctly).

In short: I was thrown to the olden days of 2.0, where we had
such problems with Hebrew footnotes. I wonder if anybody out
there has been more successful.

Itamar E-Z


PS. I am not reporting yet about my experience with NBLINGUA,
testing it gradually on a large range of topics almost daily;
but I could not help sending this outcry now.
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Subject:      Re: NB4 and cursor speed
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Regarding Roy Harris' run away cursor. This can be slowed down throuh
the SET--->Other (I think). There is a cursor set up screen.
Goo d luck.

Robert Lavenda                lavenda@msus1
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Date: 16 Oct 92 01:10:50 GMT
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In reply to Jerry Walsh:

The Hebrew does not move properly right to left because you do not
have the Lingua printer driver loaded.

There are separate printer drivers for Lingua and "regular" NB4.  If
you have installed NB4 printer drivers, when you call up the "Activate
installed printer" menu you will see it listed, along with the several
Lingua printers that should have been installed.  To use Lingua easily
you *must* use one of the Lingua drivers, which unfortunately also
means giving up Palatino &c. (at least for now).  That means that you
must deactivate the NB4 driver that you currently have loaded and then
activate one of the Lingua drivers.

If you didn't specifically install Lingua printer drivers during
installation you cannot install them through the install printers
menu.  You must use the General Installation menu under Set, and
select the option to install Lingua fonts/printers.  After you have
done this the Lingua printer options will appear on the "Activate
installed printer" menu screen.

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Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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              92 11:42 am

>
> It occurs to me that if I begin the installation procedure, get
> only part way through it, and find that I'm out of space, I may
> have bombed version 3.1 that I'm using. Does anyone know how much
> space the four programs will require beyond that used by my
> version 3.1 with Ibid? What happens during the installation of
> NB4 and Ibid? Are existing files either updated or deleted during
> the process?
>

WAAAGH! I CAN'T STAND THE TENSION!

Why not backup 3.1 etc just in case, and then go ahead? I'm not in
line for v. 4, but after all that has happened the idea that others
might have the thing in their hands and _not use it_ (wince gasp
shudder boggle) is more than my nerves can take....!!


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Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
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I've had problems like this with the NEC P6.  It seems page offset isn't
quite right (it seems to interact with pt sometimes, rather than measure
in terms of part-inches).  It's bearable for someone like me who doesn't
have to vary fonts that much.
I rather think print drivers aren't yet complete.  (NB4 does however do
page length etc wonderfully, and the print quality's better than 3.)
Has anyone else had a sudden "WO" in front of proportional type?  - it doesn't
 show up in expanded mode.
And any comments on Offset?  (And centring - I sometimes had problems with that
with 3.)

Judy Evans
Politics
York
England

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 92 19:33:50 IST
From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: NB4/Ibid/Ibid+/Orbis
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On Mon, 12 Oct 92 11:34:29 EDT Patrick W. Hamlett said:
>
>These programs arrived 10/9/92 in Raleigh NC!!! Installation was no
>problem, although I continually get a "abnormal program termination"
>and "unable to complete bibliography" message whenever I try to
>generate a bib with this version of Ibid....
>P.W. Hamlett, NCSU

(1) Check if the new Ibid files have been copied to the
    relevant subdirectory. The template file, as well as
    CTL and SUB have new forms and names. (This makes it
    quite conveneient for both 3.1 and 4.0 to share the
    same subdirectory).

(2) Do NOT load NB 4.0 high (don;t use the lh/loadhigh
    option.)

(3) Run 'maintenance' to clean the DAT files once.

I've experimented with 4 Ibid databases, one with over 3400
bib items. It all ran smoothly in both NB 4.0 and NBlingua
modes.

Warning: if you call the DAT files in NBLINGUA, store them
with the /x switch, otherwise you will get the accented
characters expanded, and your 3.1 Ibid will have strange
graphic signs instead of accented characters. (This is
not catastrophic, however, because you can still store
it with st/x once. You can also put the DAT extension into
the exceptions list in NBCUSTOM.SET, and forget about the /x
switch.)

Itamar E-Z
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Subject:      Re: NB4/Ibid/Ibid+/Orbis
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Yechiel Goldberg asks several questions, only one of which I an address.
Use one of your many *copies* of your thesis and try that with NB4. My experienc
   e
[oops] has been that the major changes that 4.0 puts into files is a <<FF#>>
delta for the font famil and it changes all MDRV and MDBR to MDIT and MDBI.
If you change these yourself, there should be backwards compatibility. Of
course, you are talking about Hebrew, and there, the coding system is quite
different.

Robert Lavenda              lavenda@msus1
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I got NB 4.0 about a week ago, and am still playing around with it before
committing myself fully.  The "form letter" Jerry Walsh asked about--
promising later documentation, and extending the clock for the 60-say
[oops--60-day] money-back guarantee--was actually not a letter, but
found in the first column of a 3-column xeroxed sheet, titled
"NB Read First Installation"--under the heading "Documentation".

I have another question--I cannot find anything in the documentation
about the old STARTUP.INT file. Can I just copy it into NBSTART.INT
[if I remember the new name right], or is it more complicated?

John Berg
j.berg@acad.suffolk.edu
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Subject: Bad 4.0 IBMPRO24.PRN
From: dsewell@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (SEWELL, DAVID R.)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 16:15 MST  
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I've just today received the NB 4.0 upgrade.  Installation went okay,
but my first test printout caused me to spend more time than I would
have liked editing a faulty printer table.  Subscript "H2O" printed out 
"H2W0", and there was an extra "W" after superscripts as well.

It finally turned out that there were a couple of faulty lines in
the attribute sections of the printer file (IBMPRO24.PRN); someone
had forgotten to put an ASCII 0 character after ESC+U, so that 
the combination was not interpreted as a control code and the next
alphabetic letter printed out as a literal W.

I had once encountered a similar problem in a 3.0 printer file so I
basically knew what to look for and fix.  But it irritates me that
after waiting this long for the upgrade I get carelessly edited
printer files.  I know what a tedious job it is to create them, but
still...

Sorry if this bug has been reported here already; if it has the
article doesn't seem to be on my system any more.  Just needed to
let off some steam.  Glad that 4.0 finally made it, though.
--
David Sewell, English Dept, U of Rochester   |  "Grammarians without any
  dsew@troi.cc.rochester.edu                 |  character at all lecture
  dsewell@violet.ccit.arizona.edu            |  us on that of Odysseus."
(On leave in Tucson, Arizona, '92-'93)       |     --Diogenes the Cynic
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Subject:      Re: Printing with HP Deskjet 500
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              from"Jean-Pierre Ruiz" at Oct 6, 92 4:56 pm

Jean-Pierre Ruiz writes:-
>
> Thanks to Paul J. Bodin and others for their suggestions and comments on
> printing with a HP DJ 500.  However, it _still_ is not printing correctly
> in Lingua.
> Reviewing what I did.  First, I installed the Lingua driver for the DJ 500
> through the help menu with set--->general installation--->fonts/printers
> for Lingua.  Second, I made that the default printer setting.   Then, when I
> tried to print (in Roman 12 point), two things happened.  First, the printer
> failed to respect the right margin.  Second, text in Greek and Hebrew was
> printed as gibberish in symbols (plus and minus signs, uppercase sigmas, a
> lowercase alpha, and a dot or two).
>
> Is there anything else I should be doing to get Lingua to print
> multilingual text correctly on a Deskjet 500?  Has anyone succeeded in
> doing this?
As I understand it, you need to install a RAM cartridge in your DJ 500.
I don't know wether it needs a 128KB cartridge or a 256KB cartridge so I
have ordered one of each (on a sale-or-return basis). If nobody else
responds with a definitive answer before I have tried them out I'll let
the list know what works.

--
Neil Brooks, University of Exeter Computer Unit
Electronic mail: Brooks@uk.ac.exeter
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Subject:      NB4 Video and Screensavers
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I have, to my dismay, discovered that the new, improved Lingua video system
makes it difficult to work with my screensavers. I have been using VGAMoire
recently, and have discovered that while it activates with NB4 and its
Lingua screenfonts, it does no good. The colors change, but the screen is
not blanked with the lovely moire patterns I have come to enjoy. Two other
shareware packages, Explo202 and Blank332 also don't work. I know that there
are work-arounds of various kinds. I could, for example, unload the scree
fonts with C-A-Esc when I know I'm going to be leaving the keyboard for a
little while. This has two problems. (1) I don't always know I'm going to be
away for 5 minutes or more; (2) restoring the fonts with Ctr-Esc loads
PC-Shell. I suppose I could try running Desqview and try its screen blanker.
There are no doubt other possibilities as well--choosing a different set
of screen fonts, for example. However, I have tried the Italics screen font
(yes, you can get italics on screen), and VGAMoire does work, but on returning
to NB, the Italics disappear, and trying to restore things leads to garbage.
I suppose I could try the regular ASCII screen fonts and see what happens.

Ideally, I'd like a screen saver that worked over any NB screen. Any
recommendations? P.S. My video card does not have its own screen blanker.

Thanks,
Robert Lavenda                     lavenda@msus1
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 92 20:05:32 EDT
From:         Jerry Walsh <WALSHJ@SJUVM>
Subject:      Re: NB4.0 & Stacker
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              12 Oct 92 17:02:02 IST from <6297TAYLORR@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU>

Dick Taylor --
     I'm using Stacker 2.0, software-only version, with NB3.1 and have
had absolutely no conflict between the two programs.  My earlier question
was prompted by someone's remark that the NB4 installation program was
unable to find some of the NB3.x files it needs if they are compressed
(at least that was how I understood the remark).  I was worried that
when I get NB4 (if I ever do...  I'm still waiting for the program to
cross the East River), it might have trouble installing since all my
NB3.x files are on my Stackered disk.  Everything I have read on the
list assures me that this should be no problem.   --Jerry
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It is possible to turn off NB4's automatic conversion of 3.x files. If this
is the case, you may have inadvertently caused a problem. If you changed PT
deltas in your document, this may be the source of the problem. Note the
careful use of the subjunctive in the previous sentence.
Rob Lavenda
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Subject:      Re: Bibliographic programs for NotaBene users
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Tissot@Uottawa asks about Zyindex or Folio. Here at MArquette we
have Intelex Corp's Aristotle Complete Works in English trans.
and its Early Modern Philosophy materials (Hobbes, Locke, et al. I
think). I think Folio Views works very well. It needs a moment or
two when searching the entire Aristotle database for a term or phrase
but that seems reasonable.
Dick Taylor, Philosophy, Marquette U., Milwaukee, WI, USA
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Egasave also works perfectly with NB, *except* if NB is loaded first.
It works fine on VGA, VGA plus systems, but if you are using NB via
Windows, then a CTRL-ALT-DEL, RETURN is necessary--a nuisance. Windows
has its own screen saver.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++           Bob Strauss            ++
++         Ramsey Library           ++
++          UNC-Asheville           ++
++       Asheville, NC 28804        ++
++       Strauss@UNCA.bitnet        ++
++     Strauss@uncavx.unca.edu      ++
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From: NASSH100@SIVM.BITNET (Allan Needell)
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From: Allan Needell

For those about to install, my NB4 subdirectory (after installing NB4, Orbis,
Ibid and Ibid+ ****not lingua****) contains 128 files, 3977784 characters--or
so the bottom line of the directory when using NB4 says.

I'm glad others have cleared up the false accusation that NBI had already
reneged on its offer to extend the money back period until 60 after complete
documentation arrives.

Allan Needell
National Air & Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560  (BITNET: NASSH100@SIVM)
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   [Sorry, mis-wrote the original address]  TBS

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
  For the information of those who might still be waiting, a package of NB
goodies has now made it across the East River at least to downtown Brook-
lyn, propelled (no doubt) by the strong winds of the Columbus and anti-
Columbus celebrations in Manhatten these last few days.  I have not yet
the opportunity to *install*; I wanted to do a reasonably thorough read of
several manuals and guides that came in the package before jumping in.  But
I have noticed that many of the files are dated from mid to late Sept (two
the 29th of Sept.), which encourages me to think that some of the early
problems noted here may have already been corrected by the late mailings.
I hope so.
  While I am here I should like to thank Stan Anderson of Claremont for a
substantially correct interpretation of a comment I made in a posting a
short while ago.  I was roundly chastized by one of our self appointed high
inquisitors for casting **personal aspersions**.  For the record I have
been and still am entirely and firmly convinced Rebecca Bennett is one of
the chief assets of DB/NBI.  She has always given me intelligent, quick
and courteous help, even by fax which I have had to use during my normal,
three summer months in Italy.  But I do have to wonder whether she and
NBI are still going to be around in another year.  If NBI is so under-
capitalized and understaffed that they have to put Ms. Bennett to addressing
mailing lables, or whatever they had her spending a good part of her time
doing this last month and a half (thereby wasting a genuine national
resource), then we do have to worry about the prospects.  My own comment in
the original posting was meant to remark on that situation.  I have read
over that comment several times and for the life of me I cannot but think
the interpretation for which I was castigated was somewhat forced (we do
know that inquisitors have always had keener noses for heresy than others,
sometimes sniffing it where none exists).
  So thank you, Stan Anderson.  I am going to assume that the rest of this
list read my original comment in the sense of your interpretation.

Tom Settle
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From:         "Gerald W. Schlabach" <GSCHLABA@IRISHVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      The sound of one hand clapping
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I have installed NB4, but am resigned to using it only to keep up with
discussions on this forum so that when I am ready to use it for real, I
am that much farther ahead.  I recognize in NB4 lots of nice features,
but until we have a real ORBIS, I can only clap with one hand.  With seven
years worth of notes, using a designated keyword section, I am tethered to
NB3 for now.  I did notice that NB4 still responds to the old LDTB command,
though not consistently.  (If anyone figures out the pattern let me know.)
But not surprisingly, upon returning from TB to NB4, there is no obvious way
to pull selected notes out of memory.  One could write-to-disk within TB,
and write an XPL to call up the file automatically, but why go to the work
of customizing NB4 just to get NB3 features.

This is not a complaint.  I knew I'd be getting a pre-release ORBIS.  I
didn't expect it to have a lobodamy (sp?) either, but I can't be too surprised.
I guess what this is is a long sigh.  More waiting.

What I would ask is this:  Is anyone out there beta-testing a more advanced
version of ORBIS?  I don't want to launch another round of speculations and
dashed hopes, but if there is any indication how long it will take for a
fully-featured ORBIS, judging from the state of the latest beta, please
inform.

Gerald W. Schlabach           |     Item bellum nullum argumentum est
University of Notre Dame      |     pro veritate fidei Christianae.
Schlabach.1@nd.edu            |          --Francisco de Vitoria, 1539
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Subject:      A bizarre printing problem
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I have been messing around with the customization options of NB4, and
changed the underlining default to 3--do not underline tabs, spaces, or
punctuation. No sooner did I do this than the Postscript printer driver
began to act very strangely indeed. It put part of the initialization sequ-
ence on the second line of the action line, and hung the printer. I had to
use the "stop q" command to clear the problem. It worked fine with the
HP Lingua driver. In other words, this seems to be a Postsceipt problem.
Before I figured out what the problem was, I reinstalled NB twice, but did
not get scientific about the problem until the second reinstallation, when
I printed a file without changing any defaults, then with some changes, until
it screwed up. This underlining default seems to be the culprit. Odd.

Robert Lavenda                          lavenda@msus1