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From: jeffk@cdibm.fnal.gov (Dr. J)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: The only good country artist
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:32:59 GMT
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You should try some of what's being called "Western Beat".  I speak of
people like David Lynn Jones, Kevin Welch, Joe Ely (in his current incarnation), 
and the like.  Jones is particularly obscure (judging from how many retailers carry his CD's) and his music is oustanding.  

Anyway, I think they're calling the music Western Beat.  Maybe some afficinados 
can comment on whether this is even considered C&W.  Whatever it is, you can 
see it on TNN and it's really good.

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From: geffy@access.digex.com (Geff King)
Subject: Re: The only good country artist
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Distribution: .."thousands of machines throughout the entire civilized world" 
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:53:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.004742.10071@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> thughes@lonestar.utsa.
edu (Toby . Hughes) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.181511.429@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com> djohna@TorreyPinesCA.
>ncr.com (John Ackerman 3568) writes:
>>thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes) writes:
>>:
>>: Right, who can forget that Nashville classic "Hotel California?"
>>:
>>  Well maybe "Desperado" might be considered.
>
>Or "Take It to the Limit?"
>
>
Eagles, huh? Let's look at the singers/musicians as opposed to the songs:

Randy Meisner (bass) - ex Poco, ex-Rick Nelson Stone Canyon Band
(arguably one of the first 'Country-Rock' bands around).

Bernie Leadon (guitar) - ex GRAM PARSONS & the Flying Burrito Brothers,
most recently with the Dirt Band.  What makes him any more or less a country
musician than Herb Pedersen or Chris Hillman? (Don't you dare get me wrong
'cos they're great musicians and I love their work).

I mean, hmmmmmmmmmm........

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From: geffy@access.digex.com (Geff King)
Subject: Re: who sings this
Keywords: Unaussprechlichen
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Distribution: Thousands of machines throughout the entire civilized world
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:52:43 GMT

>In article <1992Nov18.040209.19791@Princeton.EDU> blofgren@phoenix.Princeton.
>EDU (Brent M. Lofgren) writes:
>>After all of that rambling, the point is that I don't appreciate the
>>tendency that country music has for regional chauvanism and national
>>chauvanism, and think that it might enhance the enjoyment of country
>>music for many people if this were less frequent.

Country is an attitude, or a feeling, but I like to think that such
an attitude need not always be negative. IMHO the biggest part of
Country music's appeal is it's ability to bring the listener 'home.' What I
mean is, overt references to Alabama or Tennessee shouldn't keep the
listener from rural Maine or rural Wisconsin from catching the same message,
e.g. that it's okay to be proud from where you are. (I spent my honeymoon
in Maine earlier this year, and saw a lot more 'country' people than I do
back home.) And like it or don't, sometimes regional pride is all people
have when they don't have a whole lot else. (Lot of businesses and houses
for sale up there in Maine too. Lot of people hurting financially).

Y'know, when Alabama play the Twin Cities, I'll bet you money that they
change at least one chorus of 'My Home's in Alabama to 'My Home's in
Minnesota' during the song - and I'll betcha the crowd goes wild, too!
As for 'The South's Gonna Do It Again,' my band plays that song (we're from
BAWLAMER, Murraland, as my ancestors would say) and after a week of
working downtown it can help to release a great deal of tension of a Friday
night...
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From: ratter@b8.b8.ingr.com (Ray Ratte)
Subject: Roy Acuff dead
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: rec.music.country.western
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:00:44 GMT

THE KING IS DEAD. LONG LIVE THE KING.

Sadly Roy Acuff died last night. A towering presence and pioneer. He will be
sorely missed.
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From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: who sings this
Date: 23 Nov 92 04:17:58 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <Yf2c8LO00WB9QDuN0Q@andrew.cmu.edu> tf1g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tracy Aulfinger) writes:

> ... And yes, I am offended at some of the songs that was romantically
> over the confederate flag, what it would be like if "the south would
> have won," etc.  Frankly, it would have sucked if the south would have
> won.

Well, not in all respects.  It should go without saying that the South
was on the wrong side of the slavery issue, but it is a tragedy that
some of the other ideas they also stood for (e.g., States' rights) got
overthrown as well.
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From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Subject: Re: 'How-Do' Artist Needed
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:11:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.212149.22175@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kwmiller@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kenneth W Miller) writes:
>Would anyone happen to know the name of the artist (female singer)
>who had a minor hit a couple of years ago with a song called 'How
>Do'?  I remember that I really liked the song; it was a had a fast
>tempo (polka-style) and there was a funny line in it about the woman
>looking for a man who could speak French: "A-Voux, How Do." (sorry,
>my French is rather limited so I may have misspelled that!)  Thanks
>for you help!
>Ken


That was Mary-Chapin Carpenter's first hit.

TH
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From: shenkin@still3.chem.columbia.edu (Peter Shenkin)
Subject: Re: "HELLO WALLS" BY FARON YOUNG
Organization: Dept. of Chem, Columbia U, New York
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 14:56:22 GMT
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In article <1en1d1INN277@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
 mxl6@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael Lederman) writes:

>Is anyone familiar with the song "Hello Walls" by Faron Young?....

By the way, wasn't this written by Willie Nelson?

	-P.
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From: rap@nnsgs50.lon40.nt.com (Richard Porter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Hank Williams, Sr.
Date: 16 Nov 1992 17:12:46 GMT
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In article <RandyL.3.721690025@MCES.MsState.Edu> RandyL@MCES.MsState.Edu
(Randy Loper) writes:
>Many years ago, Hank Williams, Sr. wrote and recorded a song that had
>the following lyrics as part of the song:

>     No one will ever know
>     How much I love you
>     Although a million teardrops start to fall.
>     I cry myself to sleep and wake up smiling.
>     I miss you, but no one will ever know.

>Those may not be the exact lyrics but it is pretty close.  I believe the
>name of the song is 'No One Will Ever Know.'  At any rate, I have looked
>for a Hank Williams cassette that contains this song, but I have been
>unable to find one.  Does anyone know if such a cassette exists, and if so, 
>a mailorder source for it?


I think the song was written by Fred Rose. I can't remember the Hank Williams
recording, but I'd certainly recommend Roy Orbison's version if you don't
mind a more orchestral backing. With Big O's voice it didn't matter what the
accompaniment was!

Richard
From: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: She Took it like a man
Date: 18 Nov 92 17:03:41 GMT
Reply-To: linda@linda.intel.com (Linda Harbin)
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon

In article <1992Nov17.174320.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
|> The discussion of "Take it like a man" reminds me of another song... by a 
|> male singer... the lyrics I remember went like this:
|> 
|> She kicked a hole in the kitchen wall,
|> she threw the phone half way down the hall...
|> 
|> all in all, she took it like a man...
|> 
|> 
|> 
|> any one know who sings this?
|> 
I believe it is Confederate Army. 


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From: lyndap@Novell.COM (Lynda Peterson)
Subject: Re: George Strait song
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:55:24 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.044459.18969@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>  
marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:
> In article <By5By0.8np@fc.hp.com>, rodean@fc.hp.com (Bruce Rodean)  
writes:
> >I'm looking for the name of the George Strait song (plus what recording
> >it's on) which talks about the relationship between a father and son.   
I
> >went to the store and scanned the Strait section, but found no song
> >title that looked promising.  Thanks for any help.
> 
> I think you're referring to the song that goes "You see daddies don't
> just love their children every now and then...it's a love without end,
> Amen.". I guess I don't know the actual title of the song, but I would
> guess it's "It's A Love Without End, Amen".

The album is called "Living it Up" or something like that. I don't have it  
with me. The album is pink wit George Strait in a tux. The song title is  
actually, "Love Without End, Amen."

lyndap@novell.com
From: slib1660@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Garth Brook's 'Friends in Low Places'
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:42:50 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

In article <1992Nov21.115400.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu>, rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu writes:
> In article <92323.152857KANTOLA@NDSUVM1.BITNET>, <KANTOLA@NDSUVM1.BITNET> writes:
>> In article <1eccsoINNn2@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, chev@wpi.WPI.EDU (Kevin William Waid)
>> says:
>>>
>>>I heard that Garth has a third verse to 'Friends in Low Places' while
>>>in concert.  Since I was unable to attend any of these concerts, is it
>>>true?a7And if it is, does anyone know the lyrics?  Thanks in advance!
>>>
>> I'm not sure of the exact words but I've heard the "(end of verse)-> you can
>> kiss my ass!! (chorus)-> I've got friends...." part when it's played at
>> parties.  If you don't get any replies I'll ask my friend.  She always sings
>> that verse when listening to the orginal.
>> 
>>                                       Keith (KANTOLA@VM1.NODAK.EDU)
>> 
> 000000000000
> He had a televised concert I think on NBC about 6 or 8 months ago and sang 
> this verse. It might be on his concert video, available at a video store 
> near you..

> 
> skip
> rlwilliams
@gallua.bitnet

It is on his concert video.

Denise
slib1660@selu.edu

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From: kwmiller@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kenneth W Miller)
Subject: 'How-Do' Artist Needed
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:21:49 GMT

Would anyone happen to know the name of the artist (female singer)
who had a minor hit a couple of years ago with a song called 'How
Do'?  I remember that I really liked the song; it was a had a fast
tempo (polka-style) and there was a funny line in it about the woman
looking for a man who could speak French: "A-Voux, How Do." (sorry,
my French is rather limited so I may have misspelled that!)  Thanks
for you help!
Ken
From: slib1660@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Garth Brook's 'Friends in Low Places'
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:22:36 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

In article <1eccsoINNn2@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, chev@wpi.WPI.EDU (Kevin William Waid) writes:
> I heard that Garth has a third verse to 'Friends in Low Places' while
> in concert.  Since I was unable to attend any of these concerts, is it
> true?  And if it is, does anyone know the lyrics?  Thanks in advance!


I just went to his concert in Lafayette at the Cajun Dome - it was great!

Yes there is a third verse but I am terrible at remembering what the words
are.  I think it is similar to the first verse about him drinking a glass of
champagne - the next to last line ends with glass and he says something about
kissing his ass.  

I hope that someone else can be more helpful.

Denise
SLU
slib1660@selu.edu
> 
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From: ellis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (June Ellis)
Subject: Re: Ashes of Love
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 20:30:24 GMT

>>Does anyone know who wrote "Ashes of Love" ? Can you suggest some good
>>recordings? I love that song!

>According to the insert in the casette "The Desert Rose Band":

>Ashes of Love (Jack Anglin/Jim Anglin/Johnnie Wright)
                ^^^^                   ^^^^^^^

Who, of course, were Johnnie and Jack, who were mentioned earlier as originally
recording the song.  Trivia FYI:  Johnnie Wright is married to Miss Kitty 
Wells.  Jack Anglin died in an auto accident in 1963 on the way to Patsy 
Cline's funeral.
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From: lyndap@Novell.COM (Lynda Peterson)
Subject: Re: who sings this
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:31:45 GMT

In article <gf2GiYa00WB71PneVX@andrew.cmu.edu>  writes:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Thanks for the response on my Christmas list problem.  To my pleasant
> surprise, my yankee husband keeps coming up with new country stuff to
> put on it every day.  
> 
> Anyway, I heard a song a while back that the dj never identified.  The
> voice sounded a little familiar, but I can't place it.  It said
> something like "take this woman's heart..." take it like a man or like
> that.  Could I get singer and album, if possible?
> 
> Trace
I think this is Michelle Wright, a Canadian country singer. The song is  
"Take it Like a Man." I don't know the album, but her new song is, "He  
Would Be 16." It is about a girl who had to give her baby up for adoption  
when she was a teenager and she is thinking about what he would be like  
now.

lyndap@novell.com
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From: shenkin@still3.chem.columbia.edu (Peter Shenkin)
Subject: Re: who sings this
Organization: Dept. of Chem, Columbia U, New York
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 15:08:40 GMT
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In article <Yf2c8LO00WB9QDuN0Q@andrew.cmu.edu>
 tf1g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tracy Aulfinger) writes:

> ... And yes, I am offended at some of the songs that was romantically
> over the confederate flag, what it would be like if "the south would
> have won," etc.  Frankly, it would have sucked if the south would have
> won.

Can you name one or two such songs?  I can't think of any.

On a slightly different subject, a friend of mine just mail-ordered a
cassette collection of racist country songs.  I was amused to see that
several of these, dating from the early sixties, were originally released
on the "Hatenanny" label.   

	-P.


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From: rlwilliams@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: She Took it like a man
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:43:20 GMT

The discussion of "Take it like a man" reminds me of another song... by a 
male singer... the lyrics I remember went like this:

She kicked a hole in the kitchen wall,
she threw the phone half way down the hall...

all in all, she took it like a man...



any one know who sings this?

skip
rlwilliams@gallua.bitnet
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From: rcmcc@vela.bellcore.com (Ron McConnell)
Subject: Re: Country Music For Kids
Reply-To: rcmcc@vela.UUCP (Ron McConnell)
Organization: Bellcore, Morristown NJ
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:45:35 GMT
Summary: Doc Watson

Doc Watson has "Songs for Little Pickers" on Sugar Hill 3786.
Elderly Instruments record catalog has 2 pages of
"kid's stuff" (517-372-7890).

Ron McConnell

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From: shenkin@still3.chem.columbia.edu (Peter Shenkin)
Subject: Re: The only good country artist
Organization: Dept. of Chem, Columbia U, New York
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:06:16 GMT
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Somebody wrote:

>: Right, who can forget that Nashville classic "Hotel California?"

>: Bing Crosby once put out an album of cowboy songs called "Don't
>: Fence Me In."  I guess that makes him the Marty Robbins of the 1940's.

Also, Bing had the pop hit of "San Antonio Rose," back around when
Jimmy Wakely and Margaret Whiting had the pop hit of Floyd Tillman's
"Slippin' 'Round".

But to get only a little more recent, remember the Lovin' Spoonful's
"Nashville Cats"?

	-P.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:23:12 -0500 
From: Tracy Aulfinger <tf1g+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Suzy Boggus Review

Hi folks,

I took my hubbie on a date last night to see Suzy Boggus in the
"intimate confines of the South Hills Theater" (read cramped and
slightly run down) south of Pittsburgh.  All in all, it was a very fine
show.  Unfortunately, we sat in front of the speakers and I might have
some hearing damage...

The opening act was a local group called Unwound.  They have quite a
good following.  Their covers were well done, but I was very impressed
with their original stuff.  They even did a song about not having to be
from Dixie to play country.  Fitting, considering the debate lately. 
The drummer and fiddle player were strong points.  The fiddler did very
well in integrating into the songs, especially the slow ones.  He got
the loudest applause.  I witnessed a very cute event before the show
when I ran into the lead singer talking to his young (maybe 4-5 yrs)
daughter.  She gave him a high five and said "Break a leg, Daddy."  I
wish they had balanced the sound system a bit better, though.  I could
barely hear some of the words over the bass an such, sometimes.  Suzy's
people changed it before she came on. 

Suzy was great.  She was very personable and funny and seems like the
kind of person you wouldn't mind having over to dinner.  She made little
jokes about being a 7 year "overnight" success.  She made a cute joke
about Garth coming to her for ideas since he recorded "Night Riders'
Lament."  The high points for me were "Letting Go," "Aces" and a neat
song about an all night diner called "Eat at Joe's."   The musicians
were very good and she kept giving directions to the sound man on levels
for each instrument.  It was interesting to see her som in control of
things.

All in all, a great first country concert.  Next month, Garth in Cleveland!

Bye Folks,

Trace
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Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Eagles (Re: The only good country artist)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 14:00 PST
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>>>(By the way, Don Henley sings harmony on two songs on Trisha Yearwood's
>>>new album.)
>>He also sang harmony with Stevie Nicks on "Leather and Lace."
>He also had Axl Rose sing on one of his albums.

So check out the Joni Mitchell album (either "Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm"
or "Dog Eat Dog") with vocals by Willie Nelson on a somewhat Greenie-
politicized "Cool Clear Water" and Billy Idol on a song that uses the
characters from "Rawhide" as a metaphor.  (Iron Eyes Cody, the Indian
actor, gets in there somewhere -- I forget where.)  Both albums were 
arranged and made under the overarching influence of synth-popper Thomas 
Dolby.  Somewhere in the record bin is a Michael Murphey album from back 
when he was influenced by everything from classical to Celtic and "cosmic 
cowboy" was the best label anybody who was into labels could affix -- I
think of it because ol' Willie got in that one too.  

I think I know why Stereo Review quits dividing after "Jazz," "Popular,"
and "Classical" (and probably has the odd bit of trouble anyway).

Happy categorizing,
--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"
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From: aan3q@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Arlyn Newcomb)
Subject: Re: who sings this
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:04:55 GMT

Tracy Aulfinger  writes:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Thanks for the response on my Christmas list problem.  To my pleasant
> surprise, my yankee husband keeps coming up with new country stuff to
> put on it every day.  
> 
> Anyway, I heard a song a while back that the dj never identified.  The
> voice sounded a little familiar, but I can't place it.  It said
> something like "take this woman's heart..." take it like a man or like
> that.  Could I get singer and album, if possible?

Tracy Wright. Don't know the name of the album.

> Also, I heard "It could have been me" by BRC and almost ran my car off
> the road in amazement--I actually liked it.  Gee, with all his running
> around and getting women pregnant, maybe he should do one called "it was
> me"

<laugh!>

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