HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov.bitnet (Jim Wylde - Metal Fag)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory 
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:27:20 GMT

>mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>Ohhhhhhhhhhh! <stamp> <shake> <stomp>  I get so *mad* when people
>start playing dirty!

>>   Yes, but we do manufacture a goodly amount of bubble butted
>> blond boyz. I think it's our chief export these days.

Ok.... Where do you order one from?  Do they take checks?
What about a toll free 800 number?

Oh, wait. I've got one already....  Well, can't have too 
many I guess. (slurp!)

Jim

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From: shafer@spdcc.com (Mary Shafer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Different Strokes (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:18:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan7.031838.13669
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan4.172613.15254@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.112401.28898@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>Whatever happened to different strokes for different folks?
>>Maybe it's time for Lipstick Liberation for Boys.
>
>Guess what: it's already happened.  But it's not called "lipstick",
>it's called "moisurizing emollient color enhancing rod" and you can buy
>it at the men's cosmetics counter at Macy's.

Well, if you want "Ruby Slipper" you'll have to buy it at the
woman's cosmetic counter.  I've looked, but no one seems to make
*Big*Red*Pump*.

I'm wearing Ruby Slipper today.  It's my current favorite.

>  This is another reason I
>find this stuff so annoying, speaking of latent misogyny.  If men want
>to use makeup, why do they purchase euphemisms?

I agree with you that calling lipstick moisturizing emollient color
enhancing rod is pretty far gone on the euphemism scale, but women
buy euphemism, too.  In my youth the color one applied to the cheeks
was rouge, but now it's blusher.  I am unable to discern any difference
in effect between the two.

By the way, the reason that someone with a naturally dark complection
(someone Hispanic, as I recall) would use bronzing gel is to even
the color.  At least that's the justification for foundation, which
I think is the woman's analog.

-- 
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR  shafer@ursa-major.spdcc.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Glendale
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:13:40 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <thaaang.726631017@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John
Dorrance) wrote:
> 
> Wow. And Omaha's Boy's Town is quite literally a town for boys. I
> wonder if we can trade?

Boy's Town West Hollywood is literally a town for middle-aged
graphic designers who wish they *were* boys - without, of
course, the tedious realities of their actual boyhood.

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Muffin on Parade
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Stuff and Nonsense Division
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:03:45 GMT

In article <16B49BC51.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney) writes:

>Peni don't have much appeal to me;
>large breasts have a certain appeal in some contexts. But I'm not
>much of a size queen under any circumstances... : )

Wouldn't you be a size king, anyway?

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tom@flood.com (Tom Chatt)
Subject: MOW *Events*?
Organization: The Flood Group, Inc.  Torrance, Ca.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 23:58:23 GMT

I've seen the official MOW travel agent info posted many times, and
I know the date of the MOW itself (25 April, right?), but I haven't
seen anything about any other events that might be going on the week
before or the week after (though some people have made reference to
such).

I plan to go out for a week, but I don't know whether I should be
out for the week before or the week after. Anybody have any info?

-- 
Tom Chatt                        \   Don't take offense, take action.
Internet: tom@flood.com           \    Speak up. When we remain silent,
UUCP: ...!uunet!flood!tom        / \     we oppress ourselves.
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: race based fetishes
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:20:26 GMT

Thank you, Caroline. I have one, question, though; is it wrong for
someone to have been initially attracted to you because of your
race and the connotations it has been given if they have since found
other, more substantial reasons to love you, and your race is no
longer the factor it once was? How does being attracted to someone
for their race differ from being attracted to someone for other
physical features?

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
	  S7/9 g++l+(+)y++z++/--(++!!!)o+(+)x+a++uv(++)j+
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:42:17 GMT
Organization: (getting there)



 Steve Dyer:
   >> >We're talking serious cosmetics cases.
 richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel)
  >> As in, the kind that must be checked when flying commercially, a la
  >> Tammy Faye.
 mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
 >  Don't you think she would get cold down there in the baggage compartment?

You guys callin' her an old bag?


-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
Followup-To: alt.politics.homosexuality
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:37:21 GMT

   [ Follow-ups directed out of soc.motss ]

In article <2b4a7e2e-4cd0.17soc.motss-1@vpnet.chi.il.us>
     akcs.kennedy@vpnet.chi.il.us (Edward A. Kennedy) writes:

>Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, who was featured on 20/20 last year, also 
>uses a form of scream therapy.  He has a book out called, I think, 
>_Reparitive_Therapy_ with something in the sub title about 
>curing _the_Male_Homosexual_.

>The 12-step therapies seem to help people fight their urges 
>toward homosexuality while the scream therapies seem to make 
>those urges go away for ever.

   Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, who has a stable of ~200 male patients seeking
"releif from homosexual urges" and has claimed, in public, to have
"cured" 68 of them, has some interesting problems.  Among them is that
ALL 68 of the patients he lists as "cured" continue to see him, and
that ALL 68 admit to having homosexual drives and desires _still_.

   Nicolosi has managed to get some of these men to function in a
heterosexual setting and during heterosexual intercourse, but most of
them remain unhappily celibate.  His "cures" are quackery.  ONE THIRD
of his 68 have had homosexual contact of some kinds since pronouncment
of their being "cured."

   Homoesexuality is not a disease and needs no "cure."  Nicolosi is a
homophobe of the worst sort, offering "hope" to people who need
something entirely different.

         Elf !!!
--
elf@halcyon.com  (Elf Sternberg)

Then, I was inspired.               God, thy will is hard
Now, I'm sad and tired.             But you hold every card.
Listen, surely I've exceeded        I will drink your cup of poison.
Expectations.                       Nail me to your cross and break me.
Tried for three years,              Bleed me, beat me.
Seems like thirty.                  Kill me.
Could you ask as much               Take me now.
From any other man?                 Before I change my mind.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii)
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty (Is: the empowerment of
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: NCR Systems Support Center - New Jersey
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:43:46 GMT

>Jess Anderson writes:
>>So what's to be done?  All of us in natural cotton, no dyes,
>>no design, no frou-frou, sensible shoes, dirty skin, no
>>toothpastes, no hair conditioners, no (god forbid!)
>>haircuts.  Not only: where does it all end, but also: where 
>>does it all start?

Foo on the "No Hair Conditioners", the "No Haircuts" - - -

What I want to know is:

Does this also mean "No Hair" if I've got none to start with??

Ed "not a member of Hair Club for Men [yet]" Leihy
(just another ________,
not sure just what)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: Should I be doing this?
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:16:39 GMT

In article <C0oIun.D1J@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
>[discussing teasing and voyeurism]
>>I have no trouble understanding why women might find this attitude
>>annoying and/or disgusting.  It just never occurred to me until
>>today that anyone might consider that I'm doing essentially the same
>>thing.  [...]
>
>I don't think of soc.motss as queer-only space, just queer-supportive space.
>As such you and your teasing are welcome anytime.

Yeah, but isn't the Cabal supposed to be queer-only? They may have to
take away Ms. Chibnik's membership card and decoder ring.

Yeah, yeah, I know:
* there * are * no * decoder * rings *
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones)
Subject: New Republic subscription letter
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1
Organization: University of California Los Angeles
Date: 5 Jan 93 07:56:59 PST

I got a letter from the New Republic yesterday wanting me to subscribe. 
After opening it, I was about to toss it when I saw a second letter
inside that had quotes from GLAAD, The Advocate, et al., praising it. 
The letter was from Andrew Sullivan, praising himself and the magazine
because he's openly gay, and what a great asset NR is to the gay
community.  That was my inspiration to throw it into the recycling bin. 
I guess the Advocate is selling its mailing list again.

Which led me to read my next piece of mail--a recruitment letter from the
United States Marine Corps.  Makes me wonder who sold them my name--The
Advocate, Vegetarian Times, the Green Party, the ACLU, NOW, NARAL,
International Male, or Boxer for US Senate.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chad Jones                 | Do I need someone here to scold me or do I
Network Manager            | need someone who'll grab and pull me out of
UCLA Physiological Science | this four poster dull torpor pulling
cjones@physci.ucla.        | downward?                 -- 10,000 Maniacs
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jontom@HQ.Ileaf.COM (J.T. Kittredge)
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success stories, please...
In-reply-to: coren@speed.osf.org's message of Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:35:07 GMT
Organization: Interleaf Inc, Waltham, Massachusetts
Posting-Front-End: GNU Emacs 18.52.65 of Mon Apr 22 1991 on kontrol (berkeley-unix)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 17:51:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.223507.27645@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.204114.9269@HQ.Ileaf.COM>, jontom@HQ.Ileaf.COM (J.T. Kittredge) writes:

>> Maybe the frequent poster who is nearing his twentieth
>> anniversary, R of R & J, will speak up (and tell us the story again
>> how the two of you met)?

...

>The original poster (I've long since lost the article) wanted, I
>believe, not only longevity statistics but some explanation of *why*
>the relationship lasted. The short answer is, I don't really know why,
>it just seems to be something that happened. When I have a little more
>time I might be able to explain this a little better.

As an outsider I obviously can't comment on why a relationship works,
but having had the privilege of spending a fair amount of time with you
and John together over the last year or so I can testify to the quiet
pleasure of being around two people whose relationship has mellowed
and a worn a smooth fit over the years like the wooden cogs in an old
water mill. (This last sentence: Jamesian tour-de-force or an
overblown run-on-sentence? You be the judge.)

If I were unafraid of offending you, Robert, I would compare spending
a weekend with you and John to spending a weekend with my Mom and Dad.
If that strikes you as a back-handed compliment, think instead what
progidies you must be to reach in less than twenty years what it took
my folks thirty-five years to achieve.

Yours ever, JonTom	jontom@ileaf.com

-- 
"I feel, my dear boy, my arm around you. I feel the pulsation,
 thereby, as it were, of your excellent future and your admirable
 endowment" -- Henry James to his protoge' Henrik Anderson
               (as quoted by Fred Kaplan)
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Subject: Re: Bob Paris
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:13:49 GMT

In article <18306@autodesk.COM> mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.023309.9208@fuug.fi>, an4851@anon.penet.fi writes:
>> 
>> Can anyone familiar with bodybuilding explain what was so scandalous about The Dying Gaul
>> (I have no idea what it is)?  And is Bob Paris treated as an
>> outcast in professional bodybuilding since coming out?
>
>I don't know what the dying Gaul is either. Since Paris came out, he can
>be found in fewer and fewer bodybuilding magazines, presumably because he
>no longer speaks to the "majority" of bodybuilders and their fans (though
>we know better, don't we, girls?). Paradoxically, I heard that his wedding
>was quite well attended, with several big-name bodybuilders (Samir Bannout

Sammy was there? He told me he was going out to get a pack of cigarettes. 

Anyway, I would say that Paris is probabhly in fewer and fewer
magazines since he was photographed by Bruce Weber and Mapplethorpe,
and has achieved a kind of Diva status for smooth-skinned
body-beautiful typecasting. If you have your own gloss tableback "Duo"
why on earth would you want to be in a magazine beside some of the
frights in Muscle and Fitness when you could be in Interview and
Details and the like. He has also noticeably slenderized in the past 
few years, which is definitely not the look apropos for the mags.

Sammy sez hi!
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Different Dogs
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 12:48:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.034713.4858@thinkage.on.ca>
kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:

>In article <1icknkINN8pb@spim.mti.sgi.com>,
dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) writes:

>> |> If the dog doesn't awaken this neighbour, why would a phone call?
 
>> Because it will interrupt the sexual liason between the dog and the
>> neighbor, cause the man to lose his erection and have to answer the
>> phone.

>what i want to know is how the dog barks with its mouth full?

It probably *isn't* full.

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Baaahr Manners in Bahwston
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:48:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan8.204829.4160
Organization: insert anything here

rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.174425.385@athena.mit.edu> tcarlin@athena.mit.edu (Thomas B Carlin) writes:
>Besides, the cost of owning a car in Boston is so high that
>>it would cut too dearly into our clothing allowance.

>Huh?
>My insurance doubled when I moved from Boston to San Francisco...

	Oh, don't mind him Roger, I think he's trying to be the Melmac of
the East.

BBC, whose insurance went down going from
NM to Boston...
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 19:30:27 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <73221@cup.portal.com> <1is9m4INN8au@spim.mti.sgi.com>

FWA writes:
>My, for someone who claims such a strong grasp on the english language,
>you seem entirely lacking when it comes to reparte, witty or not.
>Every response to my witty/literary/clever flames has been the same
>thing "I know you are but what am I."

Let's just say I didn't feel you were worth even a minor effort.

-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: About CITIZENS PROJECT in COLORADO
Date: 5 Jan 1993 11:59:21 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


 
In case it wasn't clear in my previous posting <What's Happening in
Colorado: PLEASE READ>, the group called "Citizens Project" was actually
formed as a reaction to Amendment 2 (when Amendment 2 was simply a
ballot initiative).  My understanding is that they are battling the
religious right primarily on this issue, alhough they are battling them
in general.  (See their newsletter.}  This is a great group, and they have 
been very vocal.  Support them however you can (financially or otherwise)!

-maria lasaga
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Changing standards of female beauty
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:32:50 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) confesses:
>I sprayed my head with Raid ...

While lighting a cigarette?
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Career Change Restricts Access to soc.motss
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:34:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan8.163431.19873
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan8.153930.17375@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>In article <C0IBAq.I4z@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton) writes:
>>Hi, Friends --
>>
>>I'm now a machinist, no longer an engineer here at HP.
>>I actually work for 8 hours each day, so I'll be
>>a little less visible here, though I'll be able to
>>read and post _after_ work. 
>>
>>The most important part of all this is that I had an 
>>excuse to buy some *BIG* *BLACK* *BOOTS* to protect
>>my tender tootsies from the *FILTHY* *OILY* *FLOOR*!

Yet again EMACS eats a last line.

I meant to type:

-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 93 21:02:08 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Bill Staniewicz writes:
>I recently went shopping for a new bottle of
>cologne and was reminded by the variety of choices
>available. Among those were: Obsession, Drakkar Noir,
>Stetson, Kouros, and Eternity for Men.
[...]
>Perhaps we could have nominations and take a vote.

Ok. I nominate "none at all."

-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: asente@adobe.com (A Usenet Pal)
Subject: Re: Bar Etiquette: Further digression
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:56:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.203959.4544@usl.edu> rhb@ucs.usl.edu (Bird Rendell H.) writes:
>Chili in Houston is reddish-brown, but in El Paso it is green.

And in Cincinatti it is spaghetti.

      -paul asente
	   asente@adobe.com   ...decwrl!adobe!asente   moo-bear@cs.stanford.edu

At luncheon, which was alfresco, Lady Celia announced they were invited to
the Gilberts for the weekend.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:19:21 GMT

rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:


>There's a major brouhaha (a word I love to have opportunity
>to use!) here in San Francisco over the decision of the
>Lesbian & Gay Freedom Day Parade Committee to adopt "Year of
>the Queer" as the theme of this year's parade.  The local
>papers have been full of angry and distressed letters
>claiming that this nomenclature is excluding at the very
>least an entire generation of gay men and lesbians, and
>equally angry and distressed letters claiming that those
>who object to the Q-word are whining, assimilationist closet
>cases.
Heh! Wasn't 1991 supposed to be the YEAR OF THE QUEER?


>Much more serious, in my estimation, was the decision to
>change the date of the parade from the traditional 4th
>Sunday in June (commemorating the Stonewall Riots) to the
>3rd Sunday, thereby coinciding with parades in Los Angeles
>and other California venues.  But someone just told me
>that the uproar over this was enough to force the committee
>to change its mind again and revert to the 4th Sunday (June
>27, this year)...
How f***ing bizarre! They actually get a propitious arrangement by which the
Pardaes will not coincide, due to the calendar and they reschedule??

Why??

If the Parades are on different wekends [LA and SF, I mean]. Dean and I will 
try to come up for the SF one. We were up in 1991 when they were on 
different days, staying with Jeff (Dauber).


>And this year, San Francisco's Parade will assemble in Civic
>Center Plaza (outside City Hall) and process down Market
>Street to end at the Ferry Building, reversing the direction
>of most previous years.  This is to take advantage of the
>vast expanses opened up around the Ferry Building by last
>year's demolition of the quake-weakened Embarcadero Freeway.
>-- 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san ramon, ca -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
``The first thing you do is forget that I'm Black. Second, you must never forget
that I'm Black.'' -Pat Parker, "For the white person who wants to be my friend"