Newsgroups: misc.headlines,alt.activism,talk.politics.misc
From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Intellectuals and totalitarianism (was Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT)
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:31:39 GMT
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In article <1992Aug20.224215.7946@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.151706.8513@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug19.202256.28603@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug19.170820.12325@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>>>>ab> Alex Bunker
>>>>gs> Gary Strand

>>Mind explaining your definition of a 'healthier' economy?  It must be
>>something pretty weird if Sweden, France, and Germany have healthier
>>economies than us.  (Germany, at least, has an excuse - East Germany -
>>but the others don't.)

>Have you seen the America #1 posts? 

Sure.  I've posted some.  We are number one.  Now please give us some
evidence that the US does not have a healthier economy than Sweden,
France, and Germany.  Please use standard economic measures - I'm sure
that if you look hard enough you can find some statistics where they
beat us, but the important question is where we stand overall.

>USA has 30X the child poverty rate 
>of sweden and 20X that of Germany.

To make this number meaningful, please define child poverty.  Is a
child in Sweden poor if its family has an income below the Swedish
poverty level or the US poverty level?  In your comparisons how are
you assigning value to the Swedish social services as compared to
American social services?  By cost?  Clearly inaccurate. 

>The quality of life index rates the
>USA WAY DOWN because of lack of governemt health and welfare
>programs.

What quality of life index?  

>Thes countries all have lower poverty levels and are nowhere near
>in as much dept. 

Once more, please define poverty.  

>>>Luckily (for Americans)
>>>YOU are in the minority
>>>and the majority of americans realize this and are about to elect
>>>Bill Clinton as the next president who will invoke an industrial
>>>policy.

>>I've bumped into a lot of dummycrats who make this claim.  So far the
>>only one whose been willing to put any money on it is my boss.

>>So let me ask you... if it really matters, if it will hit you in your
>>pocket book... how sure are you?  How much money at what odds?

Alex, let's ask again.  Are you willing to put your money where your
mouth is?  You have a big mouth, so you should be willing to bet big money.

>>>>  It isn't on the side of the socialist intellectuals, I can tell you that.

>>>last time I checked he is (In most countries)

>>But not in the country with the highest productivity, highest GNP per
>>capita, and highest standard of living.   I wonder which is the cause
>>and which is the effect.

>Ifyou think this country is the USA then someone has fed you a little
>fib. let me let you in on a little secret. THIS SENTENCE IS SO FALSE
>IT IS HILARIOUS

So what country is it then?

>HIGHEST STANDARD OF LIVING??????????????????????????????????
>HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

>with 30X the child poverty rate of Sweden?

>What actually is you definition of standard of living?

Actually, I use the standard economic definition.  It's kind of
complex, but basicly they take a standard package of goods, and find
out how much of it the average family can buy and/or obtain for free
for the government.  Whichever country has the highest average level
has the highest standard of living.

What definition do you use?
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