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From: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Mitchell Kotler)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: Beastie Boys Lyrics Wanted
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:34:24 GMT
Reply-To: mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Mitchell Kotler)
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

Rap = no talent (except for occasional rhyming)      CASE CLOSEDIn
article <14620@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> 
> In article <18ugk1INNpou@magna.ksu.ksu.edu> feynman@magna.ksu.ksu.edu
(John Michael Senften) writes:
> |
> |In article <Sep10.223129.1711@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
> |>	Have you ever heard of a group called the Beatles?  Or Bob Dylan?
> |
> |
> |	Why? Don't be a schmuck. Have a little respect for people who have good
> |taste in music. Especially don't knock the Beatsie Boys, there are
more groups
> |that make samples from thier songs than any other group I know of. Some of
> |these groups are:
> |
> |		Information Society
> |		Public Enemy
> |		NWA
> |	
> |	They are way ahead of their time as far as their music goes. They are the
> |only rap group (that I know of) that actually play their own
instruments. And
> |yea, one probably would need lyrics `cause they go so damn fast. Bob
Dylan? Are
> |his lyrics understandable? a few too many drugs and well, he's about
as smart as a
> |lima bean. At least MCA can speak.
> 
> JMS has done something very stupid.  In an attempt to defend rap music
> he has decided to attack the talents of one of the greatest song writers in
> rock music history.  By making such and attack, he has put himself in the
> same league as the original poster that made the attack on the Beastie Boys.
> I've never heard the Beastie Boys, and perhaps they are talented.  All JMS's
> posting does is perpetuate a flame war.  
> 
> And yes, Bob Dylans lyrics are understandable and one doesn't need drugs to
> understand them,  you just might have to be able to recognize symbolism. Bob
> Dylan wrote lyrics that had meaning, could be analyzed, and required a
> bit of thougth to understand.  On the other hand... 
> 
> |"I'm gonna get right down to the nitty grits, 
> |	I'm gonna tell you motherfuckers why you ain't shit!"
> |
> |					- ADROCK
> 
> I rest my case.
> 
> -- 
> +==========================================================================+
> | John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
> | johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
> +==========================================================================+
 



                johnf@Auspex.COM          22749	Re: Beastie Boys Lyrics
Wanted                johnf@Auspex.COM          22749	Re: Beastie Boys
Lyrics Wanted               
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
From: pb2001@mailserver.bgsu.edu (Pat Bennett)
Subject: Stevie Wonder bootlegs???
Organization: BGSU
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 06:32:01 GMT

I recently heard of a couple Stevie Wonder bootleg CD's called "First Rainbow"  and "Second
Rainbow."  Has anyone out there heard anything about these - when they were made, if they're
live recordings, what tunes are on them, etc?  Ant info appreciated.

Josh
jpaxton@andy.bgsu.edu
From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: Definitions of house and hip-hop
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:17:26
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
	<1992Sep10.145724.13884@etek.chalmers.se>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cork.cs.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: superfly@etek.chalmers.se's message of 10 Sep 92 14:57:24 GMT


Palle Zetterstrand gave a pretty damn good overview of the various dance
music genres now currently in effect (now I can relinquish my dance music
etymology license in good conscience). But I want to add a few corrections.

Hip-hop is more a way of life or a total culture. Clothes, hair, movies,
tv, ethnic notions and of course music all go into the equation.
Breakdancing and graffiti used to be (still are) crucial to hip hop. The
music of choice tends to be rap music with a hardcore flavor. Hardcore here
meaning streetwise in some sense. It could be phat beats, or stupendous
freestyling, or wicked metaphors, or black consciousness or ghetto tales.
In other words, not fashioned for typical mainstream suburbia even though
this segment of society is picking up on the flavor as well. Real hip-hop
doesn't have to necessarily sample from old songs although as Grandmaster
Flash once said, "It's *supposed* to sound like you've heard it before..."

Deep House tends to have a nearly gospel flavor and have, in my opinion,
*more* instrumentation and layering than typical Chicago House. Ten City is
so deep because they sound like they're in church and the beautiful
strings. Deep House cuts always feature soulful vocal performances on top
of a well layered dance track.

I'd like to see some evidence that the Beatmasters actually invented
hip-house. My money's on KC Flight with "Let's Get Jazzy" or Kool Rock
Steady on various cuts.

Garage house is actually the direct descendant of Philadelphia Soul ala
McFadden and Whitehead, MFSB, First Choice, et. al.

Also, there's a whole chunk of house music coming straight of New York City
on principally the Strictly Rhythm, Nervous, Nu Groove, and little one shot
labels. I don't know what to call it but for the nonce name it Dub house.
It's like old Chicago house polished up and stripped of vocals. Basic idea
is to find a big backbeat, throw in a standard snare, find some interesting
synthesizer sounds and samples, and run it for 5 minutes. Some of it's
good, some bad, some transcendant. 

--
xjam@cork.Berkeley.EDU  	Fiiiive Thousand Boomin Watts...... -The JBeez

They can't come on and play me in prime time, 	    | Free Millipede coin op
Cause I know the time, cause I'm gettin' mine.	    | and House music at my
I get on the mix late in the night... -Public Enemy | place! Drop by sometime.
From: bret@tfd.COM (Bret Weinraub)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: Spin Doctors
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:12:27 GMT
Organization: Twenty-First Designs, Wash, DC

In article <Bu8z6p.85E@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tevonian@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu (Pete Tevonian) writes:
> A while ago, I asked about the Spin Doctor's new CD release. Someone
> out there emailed me with the advice that "Pocketful of Kryptonite"
> was a great CD -- well worth buying. Well, I bought it.


I agree.  I just want to beware this newsgroups readers about the
Doc's live show.  The lead singer is one of the most annoying performers
I can think off, and if you try and slam he will say:

"Hey slam-dancing dudes: there a lot more people here that don't want
to slam dance than do, and btw slam-dancing kind of passe anyway"

I hate this guy.
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:22:05 IST
From: Shlomo <X42529@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: Info

Joe Public got their break with the song "KEEP IT COMIN'"-
 Which is the Title Track on Keith Sweat's current album.
 They also sing backup on the track.
Organization: University of Maryland at Baltimore
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 15:18:55 EST
From: Robert Haskins <RHASKINS@UMAB.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: Definitions of house and hip-hop

In article <1992Sep9.164826.18297@cci632.cci.com>, AL (AnnMarie Lobello)
writes:
> Can anyone give a description/definition of house music and hip-hop music?
> Lately, when I try to describe a piece of music played at dance bars, I
> end up saying rap/house/hip-hop, and don't really know how to distinguish.
> Rap includes talking, but do the other kinds?  I'm a music lover, and I'd
> like to get a better feel for the distinctness....
>
I'd love to hear explanations for this, too.  I just joined the topic
and I don't know enough about this music.

Bob
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky,rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Beastie Boys Lyrics Wanted
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:03:04 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.funky
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.


In article <18ugk1INNpou@magna.ksu.ksu.edu> feynman@magna.ksu.ksu.edu (John Michael Senften) writes:
|
|In article <Sep10.223129.1711@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
|>	Have you ever heard of a group called the Beatles?  Or Bob Dylan?
|
|
|	Why? Don't be a schmuck. Have a little respect for people who have good
|taste in music. Especially don't knock the Beatsie Boys, there are more groups
|that make samples from thier songs than any other group I know of. Some of
|these groups are:
|
|		Information Society
|		Public Enemy
|		NWA
|	
|	They are way ahead of their time as far as their music goes. They are the
|only rap group (that I know of) that actually play their own instruments. And
|yea, one probably would need lyrics `cause they go so damn fast. Bob Dylan? Are
|his lyrics understandable? a few too many drugs and well, he's about as smart as a
|lima bean. At least MCA can speak.

JMS has done something very stupid.  In an attempt to defend rap music
he has decided to attack the talents of one of the greatest song writers in
rock music history.  By making such and attack, he has put himself in the
same league as the original poster that made the attack on the Beastie Boys.
I've never heard the Beastie Boys, and perhaps they are talented.  All JMS's
posting does is perpetuate a flame war.  

And yes, Bob Dylans lyrics are understandable and one doesn't need drugs to
understand them,  you just might have to be able to recognize symbolism. Bob
Dylan wrote lyrics that had meaning, could be analyzed, and required a
bit of thougth to understand.  On the other hand... 

|"I'm gonna get right down to the nitty grits, 
|	I'm gonna tell you motherfuckers why you ain't shit!"
|
|					- ADROCK

I rest my case.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
+==========================================================================+
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From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Beastie Boys Lyrics Wanted
Date: 11 Sep 92 18:57:45 GMT
Reply-To: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Followup-To: rec.music.funky
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <Sep10.223129.1711@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>One question:  Why?  What possible importance or impact could the
>"Bestiality Boys" have on the world of music?

The "Wide Wide World of Music" as defined by...?

You're right, school's open again.

>	Have you ever heard of a group called the Beatles?  Or Bob Dylan?

Yes, child, they were responsible for opening a lot of minds way back
when.  Too bad they missed yours.

-- 
Ray Shea			"Them New Agers will buy anything if
UniSQL, Inc.			 you tell 'em it's from Bali."
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu		-- Eric the Bondo Fish Man
DoD #0372, '88 Hawk NT650
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
From: karty@cs.washington.edu (Richard Karty)
Subject: Re: Rufus and Chaka Khan and Scritti Politti
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:57:51 GMT

Thanks for the recommendations.


>"Tell Me Something Good", off _Rags To Rufus_.  It was their biggest hit on
>the pop charts (#5, I beleive), and was written by Stevie Wonder.

OK, I thought so. I was asking because there's a line in the song
"Hypnotise" by Scritti Politti that goes:

"got to tell me 
something good"

and I suspected it was a quote from an old funk or soul song, because
nearly half the words in Scritti Politti songs are just that! I
strongly recommend their albums "songs to Remember" and "Cupid and
Psyche 85" - 

packed with phrases like "I wanna testify" and "fall out" from heavy
Black American culture and inserted into all kinds of
post-structuralist theory. Plus he sings like Michael Jackson!

Richard

.
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.
.
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Organization: Sophomore, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:57:07 -0400 
From: Michael Anthony Carnevale <mc78+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: New Prince (wasRe: P-Funk All Stars)
	<1992Sep14.231048.28671@terminator.cc.umich.edu>

brode@icpsr.umich.edu (Jon Brode) writes:

>The new Prince album, "O++>", is due on Oct 20th. The next single is
>to be out on Sep 29th. I've heard nothing about George being on the
>new Prince album.
>
>Jon

Today's USA Today has this little write-up on Prince..

PLUGGING PRINCE

Is it a video or a commercial?  Prince's new four-minute clip, touting
his upcoming unnamed album, is actually both.  As the first single, My
Name is Prince, thunders in the background, Prince appears as a DJ with
a black net draped over his face.  He introduces members of his New
Power Generation, including belly dancer Mayte, the inspiration for the
album's song cycle.  The clip will be carved into 30-second spots to air
soon on MTV and BET.  The album is due Oct. 13.


----
They better get their facts straight.--
Unnamed album?  O++>
First single?	Sexy MF
Album due out?  ?????

-Mc
From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: Definitions of house and hip-hop
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:20:46 GMT
Organization: me myself and i

X42529@BARILVM.BITNET (Shlomo) writes:
::
|>|> I'd like to see some evidence that the Beatmasters actually invented
|>|> hip-house. My money's on KC Flight with "Let's Get Jazzy" or Kool Rock
|>|> Steady on various cuts.
|> I have no proof for this but I think the record was released in '88. I can't
|> remeber what it was called maybe: Who's in the house(Hip house).
|
|If I remember correctly, the song "who's in the house (hip house)" is all
|  about how they invented Hip-House ('back in the day' - clubs etc.)
|I'm not sure if they're trippin' or not, but that's what they say.(beatmasters)

In "Who's in the house", Merlin (the Beatmasters MC for that track)
attacks Fast Eddie who I guess they saw as their main challenger
for the "inventor of hip house" crown.  But I'd put my money on
Beatmasters/Cookie Crew's "Rok Da House" as being the first.

Tx. [and coming from Coventry has nothing to do with it]
-- 
Tim F O'Donoghue <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <uunet!canon!tim>
From: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: Definitions of house and hip-hop
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:10:22 GMT
Reply-To: superfly@etek.chalmers.se (Palle Zetterstrand)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

In article <XJAM.92Sep11171726@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU>, xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer) writes:
|> 
(omitted) 
|> I'd like to see some evidence that the Beatmasters actually invented
|> hip-house. My money's on KC Flight with "Let's Get Jazzy" or Kool Rock
|> Steady on various cuts.
 I have no proof for this but I think the record was released in '88. I can't
 remeber what it was called maybe: Who's in the house(Hip house).
|> 
(omitted) 
|> Also, there's a whole chunk of house music coming straight of New York City
|> on principally the Strictly Rhythm, Nervous, Nu Groove, and little one shot
|> labels. I don't know what to call it but for the nonce name it Dub house.
|> It's like old Chicago house polished up and stripped of vocals. Basic idea
|> is to find a big backbeat, throw in a standard snare, find some interesting
|> synthesizer sounds and samples, and run it for 5 minutes. Some of it's
|> good, some bad, some transcendant. 

 Isn't this the kind of music Frankie Bones make? That sort of music used to
 be called Freestyle. They tend to use lot of Salsoul and Philly-records as a
 source for samples. I have also heard  people referring to it as Nu Groove
 music.
|> 
|> --
|> xjam@cork.Berkeley.EDU  	Fiiiive Thousand Boomin Watts...... -The JBeez
|> 
|> They can't come on and play me in prime time, 	    | Free Millipede coin op
|> Cause I know the time, cause I'm gettin' mine.	    | and House music at my
|> I get on the mix late in the night... -Public Enemy | place! Drop by sometime.

                               -Palle Zetterstrand
From: jer@salad.visus.com (Jerry Jantz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: P-Funk All Stars
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:19:16 GMT
Reply-To: Jer@visus.com
Organization: Visual Understanding Systems, Pgh PA

Peter Jebsen writes
> In <0105013B.db51b1@pfunk.hanse.de> blackbox@pfunk.hanse.de (Michael  
Kistenmacher) writes:
> 
> 
> >In article <pjebsen.716002769@well.sf.ca.us> (rec.music.funky),  
pjebsen@well.sf.ca.us (Peter Jebsen) writes:
> >>
> >>The P.Funk All-Stars are touring, starting 09/11 in Philadelphia. They will
> >>also visit Europe (first date: 10/26).
> >>
> >I'll do my best to get whole germany to their concerts. Last time
> >was great, 3 hours of nonstop playing all my favourites.
> >As I remember, the new Prince album is announced for the next week,
> >so we can perhaps hear a few licks of George on that album too?
> 
> >Bye....Michael
> 
> >---
> >-----------------------------------
> >( Michael Kistenmacher / blackbox )
> >(  Germany  /  ++ 49 40 552 37 66 )
> >-----------------------------------
> 
> I think the release of Prince's album is delayed, but I can't find the
> correct date right now. As far as I know, Clinton didn't contribute to
> Prince's record - but Prince did some tasty playing on SMELL MY FINGER.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> pjebsen@well.sf.ca.us  | Peter Jebsen    |
> CompuServe 100021,1314 | NEW FUNK TIMES  |         WOOF!
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"O+->", Prince's new album is slated for Oct. 22........for now......

jer
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
From: pjebsen@well.sf.ca.us (Peter Jebsen)
Subject: Re: P-Funk All Stars
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:31:14 GMT


tmottone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Teemu Mottonen):
>> Do you have any more info on the Europe tour dates & places ?

Clinton & Co. will be in Scandinavia from Nov. 24 - 28, no further details
are available at this point. I'll post the rest of the dates soon.

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From: pjebsen@well.sf.ca.us (Peter Jebsen)
Subject: Re: P-Funk All Stars
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:39:29 GMT

In <3615@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:

>In article <5182@news.duke.edu> radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>>  By a stroke of good fortune, I will be able to attend the George Clinton and
>>the P-Funk All-Stars concert in New York the 19th.  Would some kind soul
>>who has seen them recently tell me what songs were played?  I just want to
>>be prepared.

>You mean like "Should I wear my Maggot Brain shoes, or my Atomic Dog
>shoes?".  That's always a big dilemna.

>Are they touring, or is this a one-off deal?


>ray



>-- 
>Ray Shea			"Them New Agers will buy anything if
>UniSQL, Inc.			 you tell 'em it's from Bali."
>unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu		-- Eric the Bondo Fish Man
>DoD #0372, '88 Hawk NT650

The P.Funk All-Stars are touring, starting 09/11 in Philadelphia. They will
also visit Europe (first date: 10/26).

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From: feynman@magna.ksu.ksu.edu (John Michael Senften)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky,rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Beastie Boys Lyrics Wanted
Date: 12 Sep 1992 23:38:25 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
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In article <Sep10.223129.1711@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Mitchell Kotler) writes:
>One question:  Why?  What possible importance or impact could the
>"Bestiality Boys"
>                                                          have on the
>world of music?
>
>	Have you ever heard of a group called the Beatles?  Or Bob Dylan?


	Why? Don't be a schmuck. Have a little respect for people who have good
taste in music. Especially don't knock the Beatsie Boys, there are more groups
that make samples from thier songs than any other group I know of. Some of
these groups are:

		Information Society
		Public Enemy
		NWA
	
	They are way ahead of their time as far as their music goes. They are the
only rap group (that I know of) that actually play their own instruments. And
yea, one probably would need lyrics `cause they go so damn fast. Bob Dylan? Are
his lyrics understandable? a few too many drugs and well, he's about as smart as a
lima bean. At least MCA can speak.

					Mike


"I'm gonna get right down to the nitty grits, 
	I'm gonna tell you motherfuckers why you ain't shit!"

					- ADROCK

								
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From: tim@crash.canon.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky,rec.music.misc,alt.music.alternative
Subject: Re: Beastie Boys Lyrics Wanted
Summary: new semester
Keywords: head, backside, insert
Date: 11 Sep 92 08:24:11 GMT
Followup-To: alt.non.sequitur,alt.newbie,misc.test
Organization: me myself and i

mk568652@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Mitchell Kotler) blubs:
|One question:  Why?  What possible importance or impact could the
|"Bestiality Boys"
|                                                          have on the
|world of music?
|
|	Have you ever heard of a group called the Beatles?  Or Bob Dylan?

Hello Mitchell. Have you just started going to school? Yes, I thought
so. These computers are fun aren't they? Have you inserted your head in
your backside yet? Ah, of course you have, silly of me to ask, I forgot
that you couldn't have posted such an article without first assuming
the Proctological-Ostrich[tm] position. Please leave your head where it
is and kindly fuck off at the earliest possible opportunity.

Tx. [sincerely]
-- 
Tim F O'Donoghue <tim@crash.canon.co.uk> <uunet!canon!tim>