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From: shallenb@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nualle")
Subject: The Angel (spoilers)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:05:44 GMT

kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:

>I remember an angel helping someone in FWWM also.  But I can't remember the
>situation.  Does anyone else?

>Kevin

  The angel showed up in the train car and released Ronette Pulaski's bonds.




-- 
Nualle" Schallenberger             | \ |\/   Let the dogmatics   
  Music Geek (working my way up to |  \|/\        do the howling. 
                  `Fuguing Tune')  |   |\      
email: shallenb@spot.colorado.edu  |  -| \           -Tammy Blandino 
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From: lester@soldev.tti.com (jim)
Subject: A tiny but interesting find?
Summary: Euroversion and TV pilot episode scene
Keywords: BoB, Mrs. Palmer
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:04:02 GMT

Perhaps this was mentioned last year, but it is news to me.  A very
interesting visual has been spotted in identical (or very similar) scenes
from both the Euroversion and the TP TV premiere.

This is not really a spoiler, but if you haven't seen any TP and you don't
want to hear about a little Bob sighting, then read no further.

Okay.  In the TV pilot, right near the end, Sarah Palmer is sitting on the
couch and has a vision/remembrance of Laura's bedroom.  She sees Bob crouched
at the foot of Laura's bed.  Then the camera shows her on the couch again
(I think she screams).  Look on the wall right behind her.  It's on the
right side of your TV screen.  It's a mirror, right?  Look closely.  Now
rewind tape & look again.  It's okay if you wish to freeze-frame it.  WoW.

The same image appears in the Euroversion:  immediately after Sarah's vision
of the gloved hand picking up the necklace.
I must give credit to Ken Brown, who noticed this while viewing the Euro-
version.  Later, we checked the pilot episode to verify.

			****
I thought the new FWWM film was a bit helter-skelter when I first saw it,
but I knew I had to see it again.  Am I ever glad I did!  I now can highly
reccommend FWWM, not that anyone here needs to hear that.  Lots of things
that didn't seem to gel on first viewing made a lot more sense.

Also, I wish I hadn't ignored the Euroversion until now.  It's more than
just a different ending.  There are lots of clues which are alluded to in
FWWM, not to mention a wonderful scene with Andy & Lucy getting ready for bed.

There were 16 attendees at the theatre at 4PM on Saturday for FWWM!  And my
group consisted of 4 of these!

Jim
Jim Lester  (an employee)               Citicorp slash TTI
90405  (310)450-9111, x2209             lester@soldev.tti.com
			 "Thunder is good, thunder is impressive,
			  but it is lightning that does the work."  - M. Twain
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From: sbiles@nmsu.edu (Susannah E Biles)
Subject: Where is the ring?
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:01:42 GMT


If we agree that Laura Palmer put on the ring that the OAM threw into
the train car, and that she is NOT wearing it when her body is found
(which she isn't) Then where is it? When she is shown in the lodge at
the end with Cooper, is she wearing it? Did anyone notice?
Or in the series in Cooper's first dream when he meets "Doesn't she
look just like Laura Pamer?" Is she wearing it then???
Or does the ring just disappear after it has done whatever it is
supposed to do?
Do we ever see it in the series at all? I am currently re-watching the
series and haven't seen it or heard a ref. to it yet...
Any theories?

-Susan
From: sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Symbolism List
Date: 15 Sep 1992 00:10:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu



CIRCLES: Major Briggs, first name is Garland. The one TP character who
seems to have the greatest connection to the White Lodge; one of the
most mystical of the TP folks; connection with Project Blue Book.

Coffee Mugs: Various times we see folks drinking coffee the camera
pans on the round rim of the coffee mug, which is normally filled with coffee,
again the coffee is seen in a circluar shape. Coop was offered coffee in
the last TP episode; in the last episode (2022) we see a shot of a
coffee, and then the image of a "content" Laura is seen reflecting in it.


Sally--
-- 
That the play is the tragedy, "Man,"  \\\\\	Sally A. Wilson
  And its hero, the Conqueror Worm.    \\\\\	sally@mica.berkeley.edu
("The Conqueror Worm"			\\\\\
from Egar Allan Poe's _Ligeia_)		 \\\\\	Spud 	Peel
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Petroglyph tattoo time
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:01:10 GMT
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks,rec.arts.bodyart
Organization: University of Oregon

In article <1992Sep13.125744.7500@ac.dal.ca>, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Sep13.123559.7497@ac.dal.ca>, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
> > Allright...here goes.
> > 
> > I now have two problems:
> > 
> > 1) I can't remember which shoulder he had it on
>                                      ^^
> 
> Oops... I fofgot. For thise of you who don't know... "He" is The One Armed Man
> ;-)
> 
> Mike

Correct, hence the left shoulder. The OAM had "Fire Walk With Me", not the
petroglyph, but  what the hell, it's your arm, Mike.

-Rich Haller

P.S. I thought Bobbie shot you. Guess you have wonderful powers of
recovery.
From: enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: The Third 6
Keywords: 24810, 6, 708
Date: 11 Sep 92 09:27:43 GMT

Someone posted saying that the telephone pole had two 6's on it.
The first was the visible digits 24810 added up to 15 which added up to 6.
The second was the big 6.
Well if you're really looking for a third 6, take the numbers of Laura's
house and add them up.  708.  And then add up the digits in 15 again to get
your third 6.

ed


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From: cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Lodge wound...
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:43:06 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Sep6.224823.19835@cs.mun.ca>, georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George
Noel) writes:
>In article <185u3nINNp44@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S.
A. 
>Wilson) writes:
>>
>>After reading the Coop autobiography I also wondered if the murder
>>of Laura also was a lure to get Coop to TP for the conjunction of
>>Neptune and Saturn, which marked some occurence involving the two
>>Lodges...
>>
>>Sally--
>>
> I have been thinking about this, when Coop goes to Twin Peaks he said
> he has been having these dreams for 3 years (dealing with knowing
> things when the body and mind are in a certain state). Coop is
> fascinated with Tibet and uses a lot of Tibetan practices (throwing
> rock at bottle on stump for example). Coop also mentions about the
> Dhali Llama (SP!) being "bannished" from Tibet to live in India in
> exile until the day he can return and reclaim Tibet or something like
> that.. maybe Coop has been possessed by the Dhali Llama and Bob et al
> found him as a threat and wanted to detroy him or they need him for
> something.
> 
>  This could also explain what Phillip Jeffries says in the movie..
>  "Do you know who this man there (really) is?" - could mean that he really
>  is now Bob (and that scene was telling the future after Bob posseses
>  Cooper like Annie's scene in the movie where she appears in Laura's
>  dream was telling of the events that would happen in the hospital - the
>  scenes that were cut). OR he could mean that Coop is really the Dhali
>  Llama.
>   
>   -=*George*=-
>   
I'm glad you brought up the line about "Don't you know who he is?"  I think
that is very important, and I don't see anyone addressing it yet.  I think that
perhaps, yes, it is an allusion to Cooper being possessed by BOB.  As for the
Dali Lama, He is a real person not a spirit.  I am not aware of his ability to
possess anyone.

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

This message comes to you from beautiful Morgan Hill, California, U.S.A.:
The front line in the war against Suburbanization!
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: UnoJ
Subject: Re: Comments from 2nd viewing
Organization: CIT
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:35:15 GMT

In article <BARB.92Sep13223047@chamarti.ai.mit.edu> barb@zurich.ai.mit.edu
(Barb Miller) writes:

<lots of interesting ring speculations deleted>

>if she did accept the ring in the train car (and I only remember
>seeing it thrown in at her, not whether she actually accepted it),
>perhaps it could not encircle her entire heart, only the dark half.
>
>Barb Miller
>
I like your theories, although they seemed a little too
speculative to me. For some arcane reason I think that
Lynch's truth is out there for some of us to tie it into
a GUT (Grand Unified Theory; shades of a.tv.t-p's past);
the problem is that there are just so many details to tie
together, and not all of them seem to be congruous...
Anyway, what I noticed about the ring in the train car
sequence:
The angel appears (probably because of Ronette's prayers)
and loosens her bonds. Ronette opens the door, LeBob sees
her and beats her to a bloody pulp before tossing her out.
While the door is open, we see the ring rolling on the floor
of the train car (we never actually see the OAM throw it in).
LeBob closes the door, the OAM looks at Ronette and simply
(coward!) walks away. In the train car interior, Laura puts
on the ring; LeBob beats her to death and wraps her in the
infamous plastic. The rest is history :-)
Did they ever discover a ring on LP? 


   UnoJ



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From: UnoJ
Subject: Re: "You shot Mike"
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:20:31 GMT

In article <carl-090992175400@mac7.gsfc.nasa.gov> carl@class.gsfc.nasa.gov
(Carl F. Hostetter) writes:
>Correct me if I'm wrong (it's the end of a long day, and I've only seen the
>movie once), but didn't the deputy deliver the drugs in a football? And
>weren't Mike and Bob teammates? Maybe that added to Laura's drug-induced
>confusion.
>

You're wrong, the drugs were in a plain white pack. Just after pulling the pack
out and waiting for Laura to approach him, the "courier" draws the gun.

By the way, I am not so sure that it is the same deputy as in Deer Meadow. How
are we so sure about that? I tried to look at the credits but I only could find
one for deputy Cliff but none for the courier. Then again, they were flashing
by quite fast.


      noJ
From: farowich@guiduk.enet.dec.com (STEVE FAROWICH)
Subject: Script?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 10 SEP 92 14:48:43    

Could some kind soul (is there any in TP Land) give me a
pointer or post date of the script that has been mentioned?

E-mail to the following address would be OK.

--
Steve Farowich
farowich@hiwa61.seo.dec.com
206-562-6422	FAX:562-8603

     *************************************************************
     * One drawback of an active mind is that one can always     *
     * conceive alternative explanations. - Sherlock Holmes      *
     **************************************************************
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Wood, plastic, floating
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:49:57 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <cicero.1erl@hotcity.COM> cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero) writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.211420.18741@cs.mun.ca>, georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George
>Noel) writes:
>>I was re-watching some episodes lately and from what I can see, the Palmer
>>house isn't a different "set", actually, don't they use a real house? In the
>>TV series, we see the house from a different perspective.. mainly from the
>>living room into the dining room whereas in the movie we see it mainly from
>>the front door to the dining room or in the dining room itself making it
>*seem*
>>smaller.

>Yes it clearly is a real house, but it is also just as clearly not the same
>house (I went back and looked at the pilot episode too).  You are right that
>the angle is different, but I think that was done to try to disguise the fact
>that the house is different.

Nope, it's actually the same house.  Look carefully in the scenes right
before Laura heads up the stairs in FWWM.  Not only is the stairwell the same
(unmistakably) as in the pilot, but you also get a clear two-second glimpse
of the Palmers' kitchen, complete with counter, as it appeared in the pilot.

The living room is distinctly different from the one we saw in the series,
but that was the studio set.  It does look a little bit more like the
living room we saw in the pilot, though.

>  In fact, I noticed that many of the locations in
>the movie are different than the ones used in the show.  I think much of the
>show was shot on location.  Perhaps the people who live/work in those spaces
>didn't want to have the movie shot there after 2 years of being disturbed by
>the series' filming?

Well, most of the regular filming for the series was shot not in Snoqualmie,
but in California.  They built a replica of certain locations which were
originally in Snoqualmie (e.g. the Johnson home) down near Van Nuys.
Other places such as the school were shot on location for the pilot, then
transferred to the studio sets, then back to location for FWWM.  (Actually
I think the school was a different one than either the studio set or the
original one, but I'm not sure why.)

I really can't see why they'd go to a different location for the Palmer
house when the studio set was still standing.  I can see them shooting the
house interior and exterior at separate locations, though, if the owners
didn't want their exterior on film for some reason.
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From: dtorok@nynexst.com (David Torok)
Subject: Re: more box office news
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 13:13:13 GMT

steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) writes:
: As I did last week, I have taken the numbers reported
: in a clari article and computed $/screen for many of the
: top films. This is for the labor day weekend.
: 
: 			M$	screens	$/screen
: Bob Roberts		0.31	8	$38800???
: 
: So FWWM finishes in 13th place for total earnings or 11th place for 
: $/screen. I am not counting Bob Roberts there, can it really have made
: seven times what any other film made on a per-screen basis? I am
: skeptical.

Just as a quick calculation:

500 seats * 3 days * $7 * 4 showings/day = $42000

Remember that
 (1) Labor day weekend is 3 days, not two.
 (2) New movie, showing probably in the *larger* cities with *large* screens.
 (3) Not unlikely that each show completely sold out, based on all the great
     reviews.
 (4) If the "weekend" figures include Friday night, then the potential gross
     is even higher!


-=$>Dave<$=-
-- 
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500 Westchester Ave, White Plains, NY 10604  "torok@nynexst.com"  Juggle!
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: UnoJ
Subject: Re: Comments from 2nd viewing
Organization: CIT
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 04:06:46 GMT

In article <15437@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog
here...) writes:
>In article <1992Sep14.033515.6596@cco.caltech.edu> UnoJ writes:
>>LeBob closes the door, the OAM looks at Ronette and simply
>>(coward!) walks away.
>
>It interests me that people are building whole conspiracy theories about
>MIKE being evil on the fact that we didn't see him check to see if
>Ronnette was OK.  How do we know that he didn't, offscreen?  After all, 
>a large chunk of things we saw in the series never happened on-screen
>in the movie either.
>
Ah my dear Kermit...I don't think anyone has really
put on a Mike-as-evil theory yet. My point is twofold:
1- LeBob was still _inside_ the train car and very obviously
bent on killing Ronette. The whole point of Mike's being
there is his delivery of the ring it seems. However you
see it, his actions were quite self-serving.
2- In the series he wasted everyone's time. Think about
it: from the movie we know that he knew about LeBob, yet
he did not spend any miniscule ounce of energy pointing
the law enforcers in the right directions.
Conclusions: Mike is not _evil_ since nothing seems to
be so clear cut in the TP world. But his is nonetheless
a character that has a variey of shady purposes of his own.


    UnoJ


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From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Tremond
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:23:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.050008.6474@ttinews.tti.com>, lester@soldev.tti.com
(jim) wrote:
> 
> Tremond=Tree mound
> 

Nope, try French:

Tres=Three
Mond=World

-Rich Haller
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: mking@planet10.WPI.EDU (Matthew Alexander King)
Subject: Re: Another question about MIKE...
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:23:01 GMT


I think that Mike does in fact know that Lelund is Bob in the car yelling
scene, he was i think trying to tell the Lelund in Bob the right thing to do.

Just a thought ("The Black Dog Runs at Night", directly from the soundtrack.)

Matt
From: georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Lodge wound...
Summary: Coop being lured
Keywords: Possesion
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:48:23 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland

In article <185u3nINNp44@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
>
>After reading the Coop autobiography I also wondered if the murder
>of Laura also was a lure to get Coop to TP for the conjunction of
>Neptune and Saturn, which marked some occurence involving the two
>Lodges...
>
>Sally--
>
 I have been thinking about this, when Coop goes to Twin Peaks he said
 he has been having these dreams for 3 years (dealing with knowing
 things when the body and mind are in a certain state). Coop is
 fascinated with Tibet and uses a lot of Tibetan practices (throwing
 rock at bottle on stump for example). Coop also mentions about the
 Dhali Llama (SP!) being "bannished" from Tibet to live in India in
 exile until the day he can return and reclaim Tibet or something like
 that.. maybe Coop has been possessed by the Dhali Llama and Bob et al
 found him as a threat and wanted to detroy him or they need him for
 something.
 
  This could also explain what Phillip Jeffries says in the movie..
  "Do you know who this man there (really) is?" - could mean that he really
  is now Bob (and that scene was telling the future after Bob posseses
  Cooper like Annie's scene in the movie where she appears in Laura's
  dream was telling of the events that would happen in the hospital - the
  scenes that were cut). OR he could mean that Coop is really the Dhali
  Llama.
   
   -=*George*=-
   
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From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: Where Songs are in the Movie (was TP:FWWM Soundtrack) spoilers
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:30:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep14.083301.28295@lth.se>, dat91oto@ludat.lth.se (Ola
Torstensson) wrote:
> 
> In article <38033@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead) writes:
> 
> >Sycamore Trees is listed in the end credits but I don't know where it is so I
> >assume that the bit of music that plays when Le-BOB enters the red room at the
> >end is credited as Sycamore Trees.
> 
> That is correct. Nice touch, IMO. I think it's an instrumental version.
> 
> /Ola

Anyone else notice that the sycamore trees are taller in FWWM than in the
final episode of TP?  Maybe time _does_ run backward in the lodge and some
of it leaks out :-)

-Rich
From: jsnyder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (J Snyder)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FWWM - spoilers...
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:55:33 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <wiljo.715810920@kiel.UUCP> wiljo@kiel.uucp (Wiljo Heinen) writes:
|jsnell@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason Snell) writes:
|
|>In article <Iebumjy00WBME1vCAt@andrew.cmu.edu> Jeremy Matthew Toeman <jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|>>This is actually a list of questions I have, but will spoil a few things..

|>>
|
|>>7] How did both Chris Isaak and then Coop know which trailer to approach?
|>>And what was the significance of the place being rented by the same guy
|>>twice? (and what was that person's name?)
|
|>I think they followed a line from a telephone pole over to the trailer.
|>And I think the significance of the name was that the person who rented
|>the space (Mrs. Tremond and her grandson, the Creamed Corn Kid) just used
|>the old name. In other words, it was just a fake name, because it was really
|>Mrs. Tremond.
|
|As I see it, there's a little more to it (though, I don't know _what_):
|
|In the movie, _as well as in the series_, "Mrs.Tremond" and her "Grandson"
|simple use the name of the previous (resp. current) owner of their 
|living place.
|
|"Mrs.Tremond" isn't her real name: In the series, we see, that she just
|uses this name (or is assumed by Donna to have that name), while residing
|in the Tremond's home.
|
|So again, there's just a parallelity to the series, Mrs.T simply uses
|the name of the previous owner.

Agreed.  In the credits (she is the first one listed) the characters name
is listed as "Mrs. Chalfont (Tremond)"

I don't recall the actress' name...maybe Fay something?  Ah, go check the
cast list on audrey...

-- 
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From: scgeoff@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (GEOFF ELLIOTT)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: The Great Went Solved??
Date: 14 Sep 92 17:36:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


This makes as much sense as anything else I've read about Jacques calling 
himself the "Great Went".

Here goes..........

Is David Lynch by any chance a "Cheers" fan?  Could this be some off the 
wall tribute to George Wendt of that particular series?  After all, the
actor who portrays Jacques is portly like George Wendt.

Please no flames.  This isn't any more of a reach than some things I've
been reading here.  And, yes, I saw the movie.  I don't know if I liked
it or not.

Geoff
From: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu (FLOYD)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: IGNORING ME???
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:02:50 GMT
Reply-To: floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA


>All I wanted to know was, "How did Audrey Horne die?"


She was blown to bits in the bank vault explosion in the last television
episode.

You're welcome.

Internet address: Floyd@ufcc.ufl.edu
Bitnet address  : Floyd@ufcc
All opinions expressed are my own or mine.
From: zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Jack Nance's scenes in FWWM?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:39:19 CDT
Organization: Metatron Press / Human Systems Performance Group, Austin, TX

rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:

> I read that Nance did some scenes but they were cut. Does anyone know
> what those scenes were? Why were they cut?
> Were there any other characters from the series who appeared in the
> film but where entirely cut?

With all this talk of the large amount of cut scenes, a weird idea struck
me: Perhaps Lynch has all of the principal photography for the >next<
movie (Twin Peaks: One Chance Out?) already in the can!


--
"Go to an extreme and then retreat to a more useful position"  --  Brian Eno
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