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From: shin@duck.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Japanese American Generalizations
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:17:21 GMT

Valuable quotes ought to read twice.

In article <1993Jan12.054329.14700@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> webihara@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wataru Ebihara) writes:
> ...
>I really do think there needs to be more inter-group
>communication.  I don't know how many Asian Americans reading
>this newsgroup have ever bother to learn about African, Hispanic,
>Native American history and issues, but I do think we have a lot
>of common themes.  For me, my first deep thoughts on racial
>issues came after taking a couple courses in African American
>history during my undergrad days at CSU -- made me realize that
>Asian Americans were really talking about the same thing --
>racism is racism.
>
>Maybe we need to talk more...
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What does Malcolm X mean to you
Date: 4 Jan 1993 18:30:07 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <72883@cup.portal.com>,
Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>Here's an open ended one - what does Malcolm x mean to you?
>
>Is it a X cap and shirt? Is it dissing white people?
>
>To me, a conservative Asian American, it means a man who proves that
>people can change for the better, and people who are destructive criminals
>don't have to live that way. He stands against crime and murder, and if
>every African America really followed X's advice, East Palo Alto wouldn't
>be the murder capital of America, or the the Bay Area's drive thru
>drug market. It seems sad that a man whose message was to study hard, work
>hard, and stay out of trouble seems to be the symbol of anything but that.
.
.
If white folks hadn't started white flight outta East Palo Alto in
the mid-1960s...
.
If the white power structure hadn't dumped black ex-cons into East
Palo Alto on parole, thus denying EPA any kind of voting bloc to
become a city for a long time...
.
If white power brokers hadn't turned a blind eye to complaints from
tenants and homeowners alike about persistent use of EPA as a
drug depot...
.
If white property owners hadn't let apartment buildings go to hell
taking payoffs from drug pushers and kingpins just to show "how bad
East Palo Alto is"...
.
If these white cats in Volvos and Infinitis would stop coming over
to EPA as if they are going to see their sister or brother in order
to get the rock...and etc and et al...
.
MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, East Palo Alto would be ten times better than
what it is now.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cwm54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:59:55 GMT

In article <C0GCpD.1pE@panix.com> mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa) writes:
>In <1993Jan6.022217.19346@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Jan5.211716.20789@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> brs@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Blanche R. Steppe) writes:
>>>
>>> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>>>


 [stuff deleted]

>
>I noticed you replied to quite a few posts but left out mine.  The above
>statement, in your own words, says how you feel about yourself and is the
>root of all your problems.  White America did a number on you that would
>make the Rodney King video look like a pillow fight.
>
>You have now become the flag bearer for the system.  Holding your head up
>high as you "damage the whole african-american institution", "more
>discredititng of these people" etc.  You even say "Finding people who
>disagree with the attitude that pissed me off..., fulfilled my entire
>purpose."
>One thing I shall say for you.  Your political career shall be very big
>and bright.  You shall be presented as the example for all to follow and
>you shall reach great heights.  You have found the easiest and quickest
>route to the power you sought your whole life, betrayal.
>
>Enjoy your climb, Judas
>
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>
>
>Kiggundu.




       Beautiful post, absolutely wonderful.
From: djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: What A White Person Learned in College About AfAm Culture
Date: 10 Jan 93 01:35:35 GMT
Organization: University of Florida, Gainesville

In article <1992Dec31.173840.62373@cc.usu.edu> slzm9@cc.usu.edu writes:

# >> Prejudice is a personal, not societal matter isn't it?
#
#    No. As far as I know Malcolm X was one of the first African
# Americans to state this publicly. In his autobiography he discusses
# why individual white people may be moral people exhibiting little
# racial bias. But institutions in America and group behavior seems
# to elicit racist actions from even upstanding members of the white
# community. As I recall he did not delve deply into "why" this was
# occurring he merely observed that it did happen.
#
#    Can anyone out there tell me why this happens, or someone  that
# has looked into it?

Well, first I think you'll have to show that the claim even makes
sense.  

It's easy to make profound, sweeping generalizations, but individuals
interpret the world, and act on it, from their own very limited points
of view.  Is Malcolm's statement anything more than another version of
the myth of racial guilt?

David


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: world 
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:14:37 GMT

In article <C0Jz9q.CAy@NCoast.ORG> cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) writes:
>As quoted from <1993Jan7.194031.27873@csus.edu> by chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney):
>
>Ever heard of Enrico Fermi and Edward Teller?

Vaguely. 


>> The atom, not Russia, determined the war. If the weapon was not
>> invented, then perhaps Russia would have meant the different between
>> victory and defeat. 
>> 
>The atomic bomb did NOT win WWII.  It certainly saved a lot of US lives, and
>prevented certain near genocide of the Japanese, but in no way did it win
>the war.
>
>You ARE aware that Germany had SURRENDERED prior to the atomic bombing, 
>aren't you?  Japan's ability to conduct offensive operations had been
>virtually eliminated.  What the bomb did was to ensure:

Yes, I am aware that Germany surrendered before the atom bomb's usage.
But if they had not, they would still have been stopped by the bomb.
The Atom Bomb would have decided it if D-Day hadn't. 


>3. The Russians weren't going to just keep going west without thinking twice.

And that is because we had bombs before they did. Coincidentally, they
began coming our way the moment they had the atom under control. South
America, Cuba, etc., are examples. 


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From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:32:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Let's Move MIM News Outta Here...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american

In soc.culture.african.american, cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes:

> > 
> > 	BUT, is this s.c.a.a or is it a soapbox for the NY
> > 	Transfer News Service and the MIM?!  shouldn't these
> > 	postings be placed on alt.misc.news.postings or 
> > 
> Apart from the inherent destructiveness of their philosophy, I've found them
> rather surprisingly polite and willing to carry on a civil conversation via
> e-mail.  Besides, I can ream somebody politely as well as I can rudely if
> the situation calls for it.... :)
> > 
	agreed... but i would rather see these in digest form
	and some personal comments to boot.  just posting a 
	press release verbatim seems to inhibit discussion
	and waste bandwidth.

peace,
pjm.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 12:46:59 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1993Jan4.231405.8159@csus.edu> by chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney):

> I only wish people were like that in general, in the first place, so
> that I wouldn't feel the need to attack the african-american "racial
> purity" movement to get at my enemies. 

I attack ALL "racial purity" movements on general principles.  I've read too
much history, NOT to.  There are enough White nazis in the world, I see no
need to supplement them with Black ones.

> Now, I expect to see a black woman voice her opinions on those
> sleazebags that give black men a bad image and who help bring about
> this problem in the first place...  
> 
I suppose it depends upon WHICH "sleazebags" you talk about.  I see more
than enough of BOTH sexes.  I don't much care to associate with lowlifes of
whatever gender.
> 

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,alt.rap,rec.music.funky
From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Rapper Paris to President-elect Clinton
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:13:13 GMT

In article <rnelson.44.726865955@alexandria.lib.utah.edu> rnelson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu (Robert Nelson) writes:
>
>So where can one buy Pari's album Sleeping with the Enemy.  I heard his 
>record label, Tommy Boy, punked out and wouldn't release due to the fallout 
>of Ice T.  His first one was a classic!

Most stores in this area are carrying it now, except for the bigger stores.
Trying checking around some small independent shops.  The LP was released
on an indie label, so it may not reach the chains as quickly as the smaller
stores.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley)
Subject: Re: East St. Louis/Belleville
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 04:34:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <C0poKt.CMz@tss.com> burke@tss.com (Jim Burke) writes:
>In article <1isf1pINN8q6@morrow.stanford.edu>, HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) writes:
>
>|> I thought East Palo Alto was now numbah one by the new rating.
>
>I thought so, too.  This whole business about being singled out on account
>of race sweeps two ways, though.  Speaking of East Palo Alto, I was stopped
>there by the police about four years ago because I was a white person who
>looked like I was out of place.  The only reason a white guy in a nice car would
>be driving down some residential streets in E PA is to buy crack, right?  Wrong!
>I was going to look at a car that had been advertised for sale.  Yes, I
>was driving slowly because I was looking for an address.  No, I wasn't breaking
>any law.  When the cop pulled me over, I asked him what the problem was.
>He said "the only reason a white guy cruises in this neighborhood is for
>drugs or pussy".  I told him I didn't have a problem with either of those.
>I finally did tell him why I was there, but I resented having to do so.
>This was a two-cop team - one black, and one white.  I was singled out
>because I fit a "profile" of being the wrong race in the wrong place.
>
>Now, I don't say this to minimize how wrong it is for the police in 
>lily white communities to pick out black people to harrass.  Nor would I
>imply that it happens as often to whites.  What I am pointing out is the
>fact that the cops do believe they are justified in picking out people
>who look out of place - rightly or wrongly, this is their motivation.  I
>don't think they are motivated by hatred.  I believe they have a hard
>enough time keeping the lid from exploding off the crime situation and
>they feel like they need the lattitude to check people out.  Unfortunately,
>it ends up as injustice to innocent people and that is wrong too.  
B
>
>I'd love to hear real concrete suggestions about what the police are supposed
>to do to stop the drug dealing on street corners, the drive-by shooting, 
B
>the gang warfare, the burglaries, etc. etc.  There needs to be alternatives
>to what they do now, which is wrong.
>
>Look. Fuck dat rass, hear. I get stopped often enough, and one of these days im going to be stupid (i aint jesus, may be de right colour, but no christ here-i aint perfect)andgive the police a reason to kep me.So the point is that black people, being black, are inherently predisposed to evil????????
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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:58:39 GMT
Distribution: world 

In article <1993Jan7.202122.29095@csus.edu> chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney) writes:
>In article <C0GCzB.FL9@news.rich.bnr.ca> jdf2@bnrgatebnr.ca (Jonathan D. Fletcher) writes:
>><< Megastuff deleted >>
>>
>>Pitiful, absolutely pitiful.....
>
>Yes, it is pitiful. And frightening.
>
>Let me give you a run-down on what we have seen so far: 

Let me give YOU a run-down.  You post something in which you tar all
black women because you've run into a few bitches, say snotty stuff like
"class is in session, ladies," and then act like your personal freedoms
are being threatened when black women post and tell you to shove your
thumb up your ass.  What the hell did you expect?  When you post about
how you can't stand all black women, do you really think that you won't
convince the black women on the net that you're an asshole?  If you're
looking for understanding, buddy, you're going about it the wrong way. 

I'm sure your original post has just sent thousands of net.black.women
to the bathroom to slit their wrists because a moneyed yuppoid like you
doesn't find them attractive.  I have seen nothing about the responses
to your post to indicate that anyone thinks you're a slime for dating
white women.  What I've seen is people who think you're a slime because
you think black women are slime.  Are you incapable of seeing the
difference?  How acceptable would it have been for a white person to
post and say how they hate black men because they're all drug dealers
and rapists?  Your generalizations are just as sweeping, and just as
unfounded, given the black women I've met.  

Regards,
Janis C.
From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Date: 7 Jan 1993 06:21:28 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1464@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Paul M Mweene) writes:
>In article <1idu69INNn4i@news.aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:
>>
>>The United States sent guns, tanks, ammo, and supplies to the USSR
>>to fight the Nazis on the Eastern Front. The USSR sent the bodies to
>>fight and die there, on the battlefields and in the cities. When
>
>While there is some truth in what you are saying, this represents a case
>of claiming more credit thn is deserved. For one thing, the Lend-Lease
>program by the USA to the USSR reprensented only $10 bn (and I might have
>som zeros too many).

It was $7 billion. We sent 252 heavy guns, 4,177 tanks, 28,356 jeeps,
218,888 trucks, as well as locomotives, rails, and rolling stock.
[Ref.: A Complete History of the United States. Clement Wood]

 To say that Russia survived on the strength of Amer
>ican weapons is too far fetched since American military AID amounted to
>a small proportion of the Russian military effort.

Small portion, eh?

Makala, please read what I said. No one is saying that Russia survived
on the strength of American weapons. I said THEY sent the bodies.
THEY did the dying.

>
>Observe also that it was the Russians who tore the gut out of the German
>of the war machine, by routing more armies, capturing more weapons, and
>raining more bombs than western alliance combined. This is a fact ackno
>ledged by western leaders shortly after the war.
>
>>
>>They lost 20,000,000 people fighting that war to give us enough time to
>>get prepared to invade at Normandie.
>
>Consider the fact that Russia suffered 20 million of the fifty million who
>died in the war. America and Britain suffered less than 1 million combined
>deaths.


That was exactly my point. The USSR suffered larger losses than anyone. (Only
Poland lost a larger percentage of its population.)

Makala, you seem to have a unique ability to read perfectly plain
English, interpret it differently than 99 out of 100 other readers
would, and then throw it back in the author's face.

From reading your other postings, I think the problem is that if
the U.S. did something, you immediately derogate it. You seem incapable
of saying ANYTHING positive about this country. (And before you decide
that I'm some jingoistic know-nothing, understand that I spent the
entire Vietnam period protesting that war and the policies that engendered
it. I know my country can make mistakes. It's made plenty of them.
It's also done some incredibly altruistic things that truly set it
apart in the world. Perhaps, like Mr. Steve Chaney and many other
posters to this newsgroup, you're too young to remember a U.S. before
Nixon, Reagan, and Bush - none of whom I ever voted for or considered
voting for.)

 


>
>makala


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: The Simpsons and what you should know.
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:42:47 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1993Jan5.203011.20899@netnews.noc.drexel.edu> by glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu:

> Are the Simpsons a cartoon just to be enjoyed for the loony situations and
> characters that it entails or is it something more? What Do you think?
> Ask yourself, these questions, and maybe you'll think differently:
> 
> Q:What color are the Simpsons?
> A:Yellow, like what type of people(Asians, Korean, Japanese, Asiatic Types)
> 
The simple explanation is that "The Simpsons" is drawn in the good old ROK
and this merely represents Korean cultural imperialism.... :)

And if anybody believes this, I'm offering free rides in my "black (multi-
national) helicopter"(tm) along with copies of the "Protocols of the Elders of
Zion" autographed by Bo Gritz.... :)


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Why we go for non-black women
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: world 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:29:02 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1993Jan11.171437.4159@csus.edu> by chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney):

> In article <C0Jz9q.CAy@NCoast.ORG> cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) writes:
> >As quoted from <1993Jan7.194031.27873@csus.edu> by chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney):
> >
> >Ever heard of Enrico Fermi and Edward Teller?
> 
> Vaguely. 
> 
They weren't German.

> >> The atom, not Russia, determined the war. If the weapon was not
> >> invented, then perhaps Russia would have meant the different between
> >> victory and defeat. 
> >> 
> >The atomic bomb did NOT win WWII.  It certainly saved a lot of US lives, and
> >prevented certain near genocide of the Japanese, but in no way did it win
> >the war.
> >
> >You ARE aware that Germany had SURRENDERED prior to the atomic bombing, 
> >aren't you?  Japan's ability to conduct offensive operations had been
> >virtually eliminated.  What the bomb did was to ensure:
> 
> Yes, I am aware that Germany surrendered before the atom bomb's usage.
> But if they had not, they would still have been stopped by the bomb.
> The Atom Bomb would have decided it if D-Day hadn't. 
> 
That's not what you were saying before.  You said that it had "WON" the war.
It did NOT.  The war was a good as won WITHOUT it.  What it did was ensure 
that the victory would be lest costly, NOT that there would BE a victory.
> 
> >3. The Russians weren't going to just keep going west without thinking twice.
> 
> And that is because we had bombs before they did. Coincidentally, they
> began coming our way the moment they had the atom under control. South
> America, Cuba, etc., are examples. 
> 
But that's not your original claim.  The war was won.  Apart from ensuring
low US casualties at the end, it kept the Soviets off of the Japanese home
islands, NOT that the Japanese would lose.



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: What about non-black men for black?
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 16:10:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.163420.17310@Princeton.EDU> bvaughan@sheps.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan) writes:
>In article <1993Jan8.233851.16741@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> xuyy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>>I am a brother from the continent, as curious as ever about all the
>>hullabaloo about brothers going for white girls. I'm wondering 
>>whether there is as much fuss about white boys dating black girls.
>>I also wonder why it (white boys dating black girls) does not 
>>occur with as much frequency as the opposite.
>>
>Here is my theory (admittedly containing lots of generalizations):
>
>Most men prefer submissive women.  The stereotypical feeling is that black
>women are the least submissive of all women and Asian women are the most
>submissive.  Therefore, black men date white women and white men date
>Asian women in larger numbers than the reverse.  This leaves black women
>and Asian men sitting at home on Saturday nights.  Maybe they should date
>each other. 
>
>Barbara Vaughan

  They should.   And Asian-American women should quit being so
  submissive, or appear to be submissive and start fighting those
  stereotypes.  We really need an AA-female-Malcolm-X role-model!
  How about Mariko X?

  I'm not one to talk, but I love being around Black women because
  they bring out the best in me.  I become more assertive, more
  outspoken and generally more animated.  When I'm at work, I seem
  very mild-mannered... :-(
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