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From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Lud's .gif Files
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:57:24 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

They are now in alt.pictures.binary.misc!
Look for Bells Beach, Winki-c and Winki-b

    O                                     There are two kinds of people:
    I\   Brian Kiviat (301)227-1833       The people who know alot, and
    I \  kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil         the people who want you to
   /     David Taylor Model Basin         think they know alot. The hard
    \___________________________          part is discerning the difference
			      \\          between the two.
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: g9023690@cc.uow.edu.au (Philip Secker)
Subject: Re: Fatal Shark attack in NE Australia
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 00:55:23 GMT

Following the fatal shark attack, a 'famous' shark hunter has been called in
to exterminate it.  His process is to lay bait and wait on his boat with 
a huge rifle and blow its brains out.  Unfortunately he is not selective and
any shark meets the same fate.  His justification is that there are too many
sharks out their anyway!

Seems a pity that a creature in its natural environment doing what comes
naturally should be treated like that.  Yet I suppose you could say that a
surfer is a creature in his natural environment doing what comes naturally!

Philip
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=============================================================================
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EMAIL:	secker@uow.edu.au
PH:     +61 42 213785
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: johnlake@microsoft.com (John Lake)
Subject: Re: .gif Files
Date: 06 Oct 92 02:44:18 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <25940@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) writes:
>I recieved a .gif of a guy doing a bottom turn at pipeline. If anyone
>is interested, I'll try to make it available.  More..more...more...I
>want more.
>
DO IT.....DO IT......DO IT !!!!!!!!


THANK YOU,

John H. Lake
From: airey@woof.asd.sgi.com (John Airey)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Killer session...
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:34:45 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: woof.asd.sgi.com


In article <1992Oct1.150413.22259@cirrus.com>, horeff@cirrus.com writes:
> 
> hey KP,
> 
> I'll probably be in Japan (Tokyo area probably) later in Oct. for about a 
> week.  
> 
> surf on,
> H
>  

    You know, kevin never says anything good about Japan, but in a recent
    Surfer Magazine, the "travel issue", they had some pictures of Japan
    and it looked pretty good to me. Like the N-something river mouth.

    Check it out. Then again, maybe they are clever forgeries. 
    I've recently been informed that waves only break in hawaii, so be
    careful.
From: ludwig@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Ludwig Omachen)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Rail to Rail...
Date: 29 Sep 1992 23:16:10 GMT
Organization: Deakin University, Geelong, Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: aragorn.cm.deakin.oz.au

In article <1992Sep29.071848.20157@cc.uow.edu.au> g9024557@cc.uow.edu.au (James Phillip ANDREW) writes:
>Lud writes:
>
>>Sure can, there's nothing like those clean straight swell's that wrap
>>in there, it's almost like playing california games, it's so
>>predictable, though it's usually a bit too fast to come back off the
>>foam at Winki.
>>The "straightness" and perfection of some of those classic swells has
>>to be seen to be believed, though I guess every break gets them at
>>some time or other.
>
>I think the Bells area would be pretty unique in terms of corduroy 
>perfection. I have seen it awesomely straight only to be informed by
>a friend (Tim) that it gets straigher. Perhaps it is to do with the
>long wrap up the great ocean coast coupled with the brisk offshores 
>that evens up the swell so perfectly.

Yes, the amount of wrap certainly helps clean it up.
The swell has to wrap at least a minimum of 45 degrees 
for the beach breaks (which generally face south) on a s/westerly
swell, and 90 degrees for a westerly swell.

For the Reef breaks, which face approximately east, the amount af wrap
is 135 and 180 degrees respectively.

The wrap is not the only factor though, another very important factor
which cleans up a swell is a point for the swell to wrap around (Cape
Otway in the case of Bells).
A point acts as low pass filter for the swell, with the shorter period
waves (ie, junky windswell and chop etc) tending to travel straight on,
and the longer period swell's, ie the "good stuff" wrapping around the
point to the delight of us all :-).
This occurs because waves only start to "feel" the bottom, and
therefore "wrap" when the water depth is less than approx. half the
wavelength.

>Is 13th beach better on a 
>more peaky swell: i.e. close out less ?

I think it's much of a muchness as far as closing out, but thirteenth
is probably hollower on those peaky swell's, in fact it's probably
better because the waves are not so dependant on the bank's during the
peaky swell's.
As long as you dont mind chasing those evershifting peaks 13th is
probably better under those conditions.


>Jim

Cheer's, keep surfing,
Lud.
From: g_elliott@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Re: Surfing Sw for PC
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:00:53 +0800
Organization: University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: fennel.cc.uwa.edu.au

In article <9209231632.AA03848@ssd.comm.mot.com>, krueger@COMM.MOT.COM (Kevin Krueger) writes:
> I once played a surfing game as part of this package called
> "California Games."  I didn't care much for the other games,
> but the surfing was too cool.  Is that sw available from an 
> ftp site anywhere or how might I obtain it . . . I need 
> something to keep my mind off of work -:)
> 
> Thanks,
> krueger@ssd.comm.mot.com

California games is a wild game to get into when there's no swell to play with.
We used to have a few bills and then play the game for hours on end, often
pulling off round house cutbacks under the lip and even in the tube, 35 second
tube rides, aerial 360's and a number of other moves most of us can only dream
about. Great game, if you find it could you pass it on. Cheers.

Bundy.

ps. If you want to score the perfect 10 then you have to pull off 4 or 5 
full aerial 360's. Nothing too hard... on a computer!
 
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: iane@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au (Ian Ellis)
Subject: surfin OZ
Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:49:07 GMT

Hi does anyony know some good surfin beaches on the East Cosat of Oz. I
have a friend from the UK who is about to come for a summer holiday here
and I would appreciate some info on good beaches.

thanks


ian


Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: badcock@ml.csiro.au (Kim Badcock)
Subject: Surf Report, Tasmania
Keywords: report Tasmania
Reply-To: badcock@ml.csiro.au
Organization: CSIRO Marine Laboratories
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:17:42 GMT

Surf Report (hope I remember the format correctly)

Date: 	Oct 3rd 1992
Place:	Carlton Rivermouth, Tasmania
Water: 	9 degrees Celsius (hey its my job !)
Air: 	17 degrees  C
Wind:	0 - 5 kmh offshore
Swell:	2.5 m southerly

Conditions:	
	Decaying southerly swell, waist to shoulder high,
	six wave sets, five minutes between sets, tide full
	to receding.

Report:	
	It was my first surf for some time (4 months) and I
	was impressed to find a good bank had formed over
	the winter storms. Waves were breaking right into
	the deeper channel giving a fast ride but having 
	only a little juice. I had to really work the waves 
	to keep in the pocket, cutbacks, top-turns,and reo's
	were all that were possible. The swell wasn't big
	enough to pluck up the lefts consistently; which are 
	by far my favourite. I did in fact get one left at
	shoulder high which broke hard and fast, I managed a
	late takeoff and bottom turn, made one section as it
	started to bowl, couldn't make the next section so
	ended up doing a floater across the next and headed
	in to the shore. Yeah its great to be back surfing ! _________________________________________________________________
Kim Badcock   			       voice :      +61 02 206398
CSIRO Division of Oceanography	       fax   :      +61 02 241710
GPO Box 1538			       email :badcock@ml.csiro.au
Hobart   TASMANIA   7001
Australia
_________________________________________________________________
From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: "Evolution" wanted...
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:34:26 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

Does anyone know where I can a copy of the old surfing movie "Evolution"?  
I would like to get a copy in VHS format.

Thanks for the info!
-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu 
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: g9024557@cc.uow.edu.au (James Phillip ANDREW)
Subject: Re: Rail to Rail...
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 00:01:11 GMT

John Airey: 
>>  My cutbacks are feeling natural now. I don't have to look back and
>>  see how far out in front I am and plan them anymore, I just feel when
>>  I have a little room and do 'em. I'm itching to carve a huge S
>>  into an 8 foot shoulder this winter. I fully intend to cut the
>>  wave in half.

Nigel:
>I love the feel of doing a cut-back and then going into a re-entry to follow
>it up with.
>When I actually pull them off.... :-0 ---(stoked man !)
>That's a great way to get your speed back.

You don't have to come off the foam to get your speed back although it is
cool if you can. I love those inside waves at Winkipop that wall up: one 
can drive to the split second shoulder for a qick cutty/slash, spin back again
on the tail and be off to full speed by the next bottom turn, ready to line up
another such manoeuvre. I am sure that Lud can attest to such form at Winki.
I remember one wave at Winki during the Easter Surfari where I managed to 
string together 5 such moves in a row. I was stoked but my legs felt like 
jelly: The wave was longer than my ride but I fell trying to do a cutty 
onto the foam: I had too much rail in and not enough speed to get around 
onto the faom properly - don't you hate that !


>Here's a little diagramatics to get the imagination fired.

>			 ............
>			'	
>			'
>		        'S'
>		       	  ' (spray and a big rooster tail)
>		.........'	

Filth

Jim
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: bud@paradise.pegasus.com (Bud Carlson)
Subject: Re: Hurricane Update From Las Isles'
Organization: Quantum Reef Project (Big Island of Hawaii)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 21:08:05 GMT

airey@woof.asd.sgi.com (John Airey) wrote:
>
>    What can we say? We're just inadequate haole mainlanders.
>
You said that not me. I am from the mainland and in fact from the same
area you live and surf in. I grew up surfing Ross Cove (other side of
Mavericks), the Lane, Rockaway and Deadmans at the entrance to the Golden
Gate and I know about about big waves in California. I didn't say there
weren't any, in fact I have ridden just as many waves in California two &
three times over my head as in Hawaii. I didn't say that the average swell
size was 5 feet, I said wave height. The average swell height varies from
year to year and the window is between 3-4 feet.


>    1 in 23 waves is twice the average height. 1 in 1000 is 3 times
>    the average height. A 5 foot swell makes an overhead wave.
>    I guess those pictures of california breaks such as the lane, 
>    mavericks and lanuda bay with overhead conditions, as well as all
>    the pictures of other Santa Cruz breaks hanging in the surf shop
>    are clever forgeries.
>
No they are the real thing but some people have the illusion that Mavericks
and Waimea are only ridden when the swell is 15+ and Hanalei has precision
6 foot Freight Trains every day of the year. 

If you want a diversion from the East Cliff Tango this winter, take a weekend
trip up North to Pt. Arena or the south side of Drake's Bay. There is a wave
called TubaMancha that breaks into an estero on sand that peels from an 
offshore sandbar for 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile long. I have seen and surfed it
when the takeoff was like Waikiki with the inside like Off-The-Wall at 8-10.
There are reports of 12-15 perfect days when you can ride it on your 6-6. Make
sure you bring your cold water suit the temps are lower than S.C.

>    Thanks for setting me straight.
>
>    Sounds like a bad situation. Hopefully everybody will get the help
>    and resources they need to rebuild.
>

Thanks for caring, I knew you had it in you !!

....Bud
-- 
Bud Carlson * System Manager * Paradise Isle Computing * bud@isle.pegasus.com
 Paranoids are people, too; they have their own problems.  It's easy to
 criticize, but if everybody hated you, you'd be paranoid too.
 		-- D. J. Hicks
From: p-kun@blacklabel.Japan.Sun.COM (Kevin Parrington - Nihon Sun Logistics)
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
Subject: Killer session...
Date: 30 Sep 92 19:55:10 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: blacklabel.japan.sun.com



DATE: 10/01/92
TIME: 12:30pm
AREA: Japan - S.Kanagawa Prefecture (secret spot)
WEATHER: perfect, not a cloud in the sky, big bright sun.
WINDS: light off shore couldn't be better 
AIR TEMP: 78 F
WATER TEMP: refreshing
SURF: unbelievable !!  picture perfect tubing sections that just went
on forever.  tube rides of at least 45 - 50 seconds. surf like i've never
seen before.  consistent set waves all head high faces with some jacking
head+ !!!!!!!  just me and three friends out with no one in sight !!!!!
FORECAST: reality will set in...
COMMENTS: as i sat hear eating my lunch, watching the cold, grey clouds
spill rain i noticed there were no postings on alt.surfing so i thought i'd
post my little "daydream"...it cheered me up, how about you ?!?!?! 

kp
 
	
Newsgroups: alt.surfing
From: attila@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jaffar M Alaoui)
Subject: surf camps ?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: dsg
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 18:49:42 GMT

  Hi everyone,

I am new to the surfing world and would like to really get into it.

Unfortunately, the duration of my surf exposure rarely exceeds one 
afternoon every 6 weeks. I would like to make real progress by 
intensive exposure.  Are there any camps for beginner / intermediate 
surfers in so cal or hawaii ?

Any info will be greatly appreciated.


Thanks.
-- 
Jaffar Alaoui
Stanford University
Stanford, Ca                                   attila@leland.stanford.edu
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: ISO Bi-Fem and Girlfriend
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:34:22
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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	<1992Sep30.130934.24980@tfs.com> <BvEM0o.AF5@news.orst.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: johnb@math.orst.edu's message of Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:29:09 GMT

In article <BvEM0o.AF5@news.orst.edu> johnb@math.orst.edu (John Bainbridge) writes:
> I find it ironic that frequently women (and men too for that matter)
> complain that men don't express their emotions/thoughts enough but
> when they do it's freqeuently found offensive <smile>.

Perhaps that's because the thoughts *are* offensive?  In fact, maybe
that's why the men didn't want to express them in the first place?  Are
you saying that we should all be so happy that men are expressing their
thoughts at all that we should not criticize those thoughts?  I *am*
happy for men to express their thoughts (although I have always found
that they do this quite a bit, with me, so I don't complain about them
not doing it enough), but that doesn't mean that I think all of the
thoughts themselves are great, any more than I like all of my thoughts,
or those of other women.

However, none of this was at issue.  The issue was, in fact, an
offensive thought - the rather nasty idea that women will try to
withhold anything they perceive men as wanting.  I think that is false;
I tried to address the real problems and causes, and I was, of course,
attacked for being one of those awful women who don't give Eric whatever
the heck it is he wants.

The fact is, just because you want a person does not mean they will want
you.  If you want someone for a single feature (oh, she's polyamorous?
then I want to sleep with her), they might well find this a rather
repellent idea, when they might have been interested in you if you
looked on them as a person rather than an instance of, for example, a
polyamorous woman.

Really, though, I don't care.  If you want to treat people like that, a
lot of them are going to think poorly of you, and some will not.  I
thought maybe people might actually want to know what was going on, but
I see that y'all'd rather just complain about how awful women are.  Good
luck in meeting any.

Muffy


--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Little round planet/in a big universe/sometimes it looks blessed/
 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: robb@tfs.com (Not a tty)
Subject: Re: Hello and a question
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:05:10 GMT

In article <Bv45G3.C2x.2@cs.cmu.edu> anonymus+286@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu writes:
>
>Hi everyone, I've been reading alt.polyamory for a while now.  It's been
>very interesting and thought-provoking so far.  I have a question to ask 
>of all of you.  Do you (especially those who have done poly relationships)
>think that it's important for each partner in a poly relationship to "approve"
>of all the others?  Or is each partner free to conduct relationships with
>anybody they are interested in regardless of their partners' personal
>opinions of the other partners?  

Dear anon+286,

I don't think I quite understand your question, it could be interpreted
in at least two ways.  Were you asking for opinions of people who *happen*
to be in multiple adult relationships about their particular experience,
or were you soliciting suggestions on how any multi-adult relationship
ought to be arranged?

I think it is important to remember that this news group pertains to all
those relationships that are not dyadic.  When I attented last year's PEPCON
I was amased at the number of completely different, stable, loving, successful
family structures I encounterd.  There did not appear to be any consistent
norm regarding this question.

Robb

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TRW Financial Systems    | country under three rulers   3: A large, elegant,
Berkeley, California     | full keeled sailing vessle so named for its crew.
From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: ISO Bi-Fem and Girlfriend
Date: 29 Sep 92 10:36:38
Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM's message of 29 Sep 1992 14:36:51 GMT

In article <lcgqg3INNrlb@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums) writes:
>In article <1a8ub3INNt3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ptd2@po.CWRU.Edu (Palmer T. Davis) writes:
>>would seem to indicate a high degree of interoperability.  However, 
>>most ANSI standard bi-poly females I know tend to be somewhat put off
>>by men whose sole reason in them is that they happen to be bisexual and 
>>polyamorous.  You might have better luck with the male version, though.
>---
>Why is there this tendancy in humans, but it seems, especially in
>women, that as soon as they find out you want something, they are
>likely to withhold it or raise the price?

>In other words, even if they might have liked it also and/or given
>it away for free, if you indicate interest, they will hold back
>in some manner.

It is not the "indicating interest" that causes women (or anyone, I
would think) to be "put off," it is the fact that the interest is in a
single feature, rather than the whole person.  For example, if someone
was interested in you for no other reason than that you had blond hair,
and they would have sex with you without even wanting to know anything
else about you, would you find that appealing?  Perhaps you would, I do
not know.  I know that I would not, and do not.  If a person wants to
sleep with just a feature, they can find someone besides me to do it
with.

I have heard men complain that women are only interested in money,
status, or success.  What if a woman lit up when she found out that you
had a couple thousand dollars in your pocket?  Would you be pleased?

Muffy
--

Muffy Barkocy                               muffy@mica.berkeley.edu
~Little round planet/in a big universe/sometimes it looks blessed/
 sometimes it looks cursed/Depends on what you look at, obviously/
 But even more it depends on the way that you see~ - Bruce Cockburn
From: nigel@isgtec.com (Nigel Burnett)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: sustainability of relationships
Date: 3 Oct 92 13:56:10 GMT
Organization: ISG Technologies Inc., Mississauga Ontario

In article <BvE80z.5o1.2@cs.cmu.edu> anonymus+987@godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu writes:
> 
> I don't get a sense from reading the postings in this group how durable
> poly relationships are.  Is there anyone here who's been in a poly
> relationship with the same SO for more than, say, 15 or 20 years, especially
> someone with kids?  Or is a polylifestyle one of those "excesses of
> youthful experimentation"? (no flame intended).

I have been with the same SO for 16 1/2 years and both of us have been
poly since the beginning.  Some of the '3rd party' relationships have
lasted weeks, some for years.  I still see another woman occasionally
that I've known for over 10 years.  My SO has had another lover for at
least five years now.  We don't have kids although some of our lovers
have kids.  I'm 41, my SO is 36 - we both still think we're 'youthful'.

Does this answer your question?  E-mail correspondents welcomed although
since I got fired a couple of days ago, this account could vanish at any
time.

Nigel


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