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From: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: The Difference Between Conservatives and Libe
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:42:25 GMT
Reply-To: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Michael Polen)
Organization: Mips Technologies, Inc.
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Bill Nolte) writes:

|> >>Ted Krueger):
|> >>
|> >>> Conservatives think that liberals are wrong.
|> >>> Liberals think that conservatives are stupid.
|> >>>
|> Liberalism stands for collective rights and collective responsibilities.
|> Conservatism stands for individual rights and individual responsibilities.
|> 
|> I think it is pretty good, how about anybody else.

Actually, I don't understand why we are all arguing over something
like this.  Webster has alread got a working definition that we can
all use as our basis of communication.  Isn't that what dictionaries
are for?

From Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary (in alphabetical order):

conservatism

	a: disposition in politics to preserve what is established
	b: a political philosophy based on tradition and social
	 stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring
	 gradual development to abrupt change
	c: the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation
	 to change.

liberalism

	a: a movement in modern Protestantism ...
	b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from
	 restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-
	 regulating market, and the gold standard
	c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the
	 essential goodnes of man, and the autonomy of the individual
	 and standing for the protection of political and civil
	 liberties.

No wonder the Republicans and other conservatives are looking to redefine
these words.  The real definitions say that the difference is between
"forward looking" and "give me that old time religion, it's
good enough for me."

-- 
These opinions are usually my own, sometimes my dog's,
occasionaly my (grown) children's, never my employer's.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: asper@time.sbc.com (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: You're a racist! statements
Organization: Southwestern Bell Technology Resources, St.Louis, MO
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 14:33:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.224727.836@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTIAN D. ARMOUR) writes:
>If you live in America, if you vote in America,
>if you work in America and if you love America then you are an
>American.  Nothing else.
>
>
>C. Armour-Kidson
>cs911461@ariel.yorku.ca
                      ^^
Unless, of course, you are from Canada.

:-)

Alan
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: WEE WEENIE WILLIE
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:19:16 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <BvI2zy.D3M@oryx.com> xdedcj@atom.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (dave c jarzabek) writes:
>
>   You must have really strained the old brain muscle to come up
>    with these retorts!
>
>   If Woody Allen had lived in Arkansas, there wouldn't be anything
>    unusual about his "family affair". 

As if this were a clever comment.



--
"Sounds interesting....  Sounds interesting...."
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From: matt@physics16.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,talk.politics.misc,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: The Difference Between Conservatives and Liberals
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:33:20
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
Distribution: usa
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In-reply-to: stevef@bug.UUCP's message of 4 Oct 92 19:16:18 GMT

In article <1067@bug.UUCP> stevef@bug.UUCP (Steven R Fordyce) writes:

> Homosexuals already have equal protection of the law under the 14th
> Amendment, so that isn't what they are asking for, nor what they want.  

Funny.  In this country, it is legal for me to marry a woman but
illegal for me to marry a man.  This doesn't look very much like
"equal protection of the law."

Or is it your opinion that the marriage laws of all fifty states are
in fact unconstitutional?
--
Matthew Austern                   Just keep yelling until you attract a
(510) 644-2618                    crowd, then a constituency, a movement, a
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From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: damning statistics 
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Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:19:36 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

aj1j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew E Johnson) writes:
: I am looking for a series of statistics
: that are most damning of the Bush administration. 

Dan Quayle's IQ?

From the .signature file of another person at UIUC:

	Q: What did Dan Quayle get on his IQ test?
	A: Drool.

--
Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)	 		"Republicans understand the
Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu			 importance of bondage between
Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD			 parent and child."
Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com			-- Dan Quayle
UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarOwl                                    

Marrou/Lord in '92



Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: joec@fid.morgan.com (Joe Collins)
Subject: Re: Books: Perot, Gore, Limbaugh, Bio on Clinton
Organization: None
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:10:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.021002.23310@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>In article <1992Sep29.220008.25909@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:
>>
>>So who's in the lead in terms of number of books sold, current ranking, etc.
>>
>>Ross Perot's Book, Albert Gores, Rush Limbaughs, or Clintons Biography?
>
>Limbaugh's book is on the top (#1) of the NY Times Bestsellers List, as
>of Sunday.  <head shaking, wondering "Why?">

Rush Limbaugh is #1 on NY Times bestseller, hardcover.
Ross Perot is #1 on NY Times bestseller, softcover
  Ross's book came out in August - I am not sure when Rush's
  book came out but I think it was about the same time.

Joe
joec@morgan.com
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
From: jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer)
Subject: Re: Bush is a Mass Murderer (was Re: Bush's Accomplishments)
Organization: CAT-TALK Conferencing System
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 03:18:18 GMT

In article <5532@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
"
"How many lives do you think should die in going after Saddam Hussein?
"(And I'm not exclusively referring to American lives. Iraqi lives as
"well.) How will we know we have Saddam rather than some look-alike?
"-- 

O come now, do you mean that our military is so inept that its special
forces cannot take out *ONE MAN*?? What planet are *YOU* living on??
 
We could have equipped some mercenaries, or Kurds to do the job too. 
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From: bboerner@novell.com (Brendan B. Boerner)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,tx.politics
Subject: Re: Gee, why don't we default on the US debt!!!?
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:06:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell, Inc. --Austin

In article <1992Oct2.160530.15018@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806) writes:
>bboerner@novell.com (Brendan B. Boerner) writes:
>>I've seen other comments to the same effect and was wondering, 
>>has anyone thought of what might happen if we did default on the debt?
>>Who invests in T-bills and therefor would be hurting pretty bad?  Any
>>businesses, individuals saving for retirement...?
>[...]
>The Roman empire fell after hundreds of years of unprecedented
>successes.  The Dark Ages followed for 1,000 years.  This world wide
>society we've created may also, if people start chucking
>responsibilities as Mr. Haugh and Mr. Boerner suggest.

Whoa!  Curt, learn to read!  I was asking the question, "has anyone
thought what would happen if we did this?" and then suggested a couple
of things which could happen.  This does not mean that I think junking
our debt would be a good thing.  It might be nice to dream about but
that's about it.

Brendan
-- 
Brendan B. Boerner		Phone: 512/346-8380
Internet: bboerner@novell.com	MHS: bboerner@novell
Please use ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ if replying by mail exterior to Novell.
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From: curt@ekhadafi.austin.ibm.com (Curt Finch 903 2F021 curt@aixwiz.austin.ibm.com 512-838-2806)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,tx.politics
Subject: Gee, why don't we default on the US debt!!!?
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:05:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM AWD, Austin

bboerner@novell.com (Brendan B. Boerner) writes:
>jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
>>Then I suggest we repudiate the debt.  Most of the money that was handed
>>out was done so through fraud.  Our Congressman KNOW that they can't keep

>I've seen other comments to the same effect and was wondering, 
>has anyone thought of what might happen if we did default on the debt?
>Who invests in T-bills and therefor would be hurting pretty bad?  Any
>businesses, individuals saving for retirement...?

Gee, why don't we default on the US debt!!!?
What a great idea!!!  Free money!  Lower taxes!  Now I can get that new
car I've been wanting!

Well, maybe, if any car makers still exist when you're done.

Businesses, (for example car makers) and governments, (local, state,
and foriegn,) and people, old and young, from all over the world invest
in US bonds because they have never been defaulted on in over 200
years.  You can't say that about any other investment.  They are the
safest most guaranteed place to put your money on the planet.

The US economy is immense.  It is a significant fraction of the world
economy.  The US debt is also immense.  It is also a significant
fraction of world debt.  It is all the more significant because it is
now and always has been the safe haven of last resort.

If we defaulted, the very fabric of every economy on earth would be
torn to shreds.  Little old widows in Japan, Austin and South Africa
would suffer.  We're talking about global economic catastrophy here.
Famine.  Wars.  The end of all that wonderful free (free! free! free!)
medical care Canadians, French and Germans receive, to say the least.

The Roman empire fell after hundreds of years of unprecedented
successes.  The Dark Ages followed for 1,000 years.  This world wide
society we've created may also, if people start chucking
responsibilities as Mr. Haugh and Mr. Boerner suggest.

Let's just forget about this nonsensical yammering right now.

Please.

-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
From: jdahl@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jared Dahl)
Subject: Re: Bush is a Mass Murderer 
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:34:48 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester

In article <1992Sep26.012948.13147@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, ajpoulias@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (The user from HELL!) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep21.214807.10125@tygra.Michigan.COM>, jp@tygra.Michigan.COM (John Palmer) writes:
|> 
|> 	[somewhat rational discussion removed]
|>   
|> > George Bush is directly responsible for the death of up to 250,000
|> > people, including women and children (The ones that Barbara Bush
|> > says we should "nurture and love", or was she only talking about
|> > white, christian, American children??). 
|> >  
|> > George Bush is a mass murderer and couldn't care less about you or
|> > I or anyone else except his rich friends. The war indicated just how
|> > far he would go to help his buddies. He is dangerous as are all other
|> > Republicans. Look, Bush is considered a MODERATE CONSERVATIVE and
|> > see how heinous he acted. Better hope Quayle never gets into the White
|> > House - he is much farther to the right.
|> >  
|> > It is imperative that you vote for Clinton/Gore. Even though some of
|> > their policies aren't the best that we can get, we MUST vote this
|> > mass-murderer out of office on 3-Nov.
|> >  
|> > Clinton/Gore in '92
|> > We cannot survive another 4 years of Bush. 
|> 
|> 	Wow, I guess the saying "When everyone is out to get you, paranoia
|> is just good thinking" is appropriate here....."He is dangerous as are all
|> other Republicans."  Do you REALLY believe this?  If so, some nice men
|> with a funny looking jacket will soon be paying you a visit.
|> 
|> 	Just my $.02 (which I'm sure "president Clinton" would figure some
|> way of taxing)
|> 
|> 			ajpoulias@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu

You attack his choice of words, and maybe his hatred of the Republican
party, but you do not even try to defend Bush from these charges.  Bush
did the same thing that Truman and Roosevelt did to Germany and Japan, 
and that Nixon did to Indochina.  Bombing of civilians is not a way to
wage war against a government.  It is murder, plain and simple.

Jared Dahl
Vote Clinton/Gore - I don't trust them, but Bush is worse.
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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Books: Perot, Gore, Limbaugh, Bio on Clinton
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:11:26 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.clinton
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

StarOwl@uiuc.edu writes:
&egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
&: c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero) writes:
&
&:>who's in the lead in terms of number of books sold, current ranking, etc.
&:>Ross Perot's Book, Albert Gores, Rush Limbaughs, or Clintons Biography?
&: Limbaugh's book is on the top (#1) of the NY Times Bestsellers List, as
&: of Sunday.  <head shaking, wondering "Why?">
&
&Winter's coming soon.  People need *something* to burn for heat.  :)

Well, it would be interesting to burn Al Gore's book for the winter.
Gives another meaning to "There goes the planet."
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck		eyc@acpub.duke.edu
Biomedical Engineer 1993	Never take me too seriously.
I was this absurd before I ever heard of Rush Limbaugh. Honest!
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From: Cessna@kn5f.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark T. Evert)
Subject: Re: Job Creation (Arkansas vs. USA)
Organization: Loral Space Information Systems
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:14:26 GMT

In article <47895@shamash.cdc.com> rjv@a2.cim.cdc.com (Rene Valdes) writes:
> This morning on the TODAY show, Katie Kouric (sp?) was interviewing James
> Carville from the Clinton Campaign and Charles Black from the Bush 
Campaign.
> Mr. Carville said that according to Bush's Secretary of Labor, Lynn 
Martin, in the
> last two years more jobs had been created in Arkansas than in the other 
49 states
> put together

I wouldn't argue that there are more jobs in Arkansas now than 2 years 
ago.  The tax burden and general low cost-of-living certainly have a lot 
to do with it.  But to call it "Job Creation" is a misnomer.  Most of the 
new jobs that came to Arkansas were from companies that were fleeing high 
tax, high cost of living states.  In essence, they were substituting eager 
low-paid workers in Arkansas for the higher paid workers they laid off 
elsewhere.   Other low-cost-of-living, low tax states have had the same 
thing happen, but some have had major job losses in some sectors such as 
energy which have offset this.  Examples are Texas and Louisiana .

> Another piece of information from this morning interview:  Arkansas, 
under the
> allegedly "tax-and-spend" Governor Clinton has the second lowest tax 
burden 
> among all the states in the USA.  Does the label stick?

Alleged....come on.  Clinton has made his intentions to raise taxes and 
spending well known.   As for Arkansas,  with one of the lowest per capita 
incomes in the country, you simply can't tax what people don't have.... 
and unlike the federal government, the state can't spend what it doesn't 
have.  By law, the budget must be balanced, although Clinton would have 
you believe that he balanced it through some miricle.

> If you consider the population of Arkansas in comparison to the 
population of the
> rest of the USA, this piece of data is really amazing.

It's only amazing that anyone would accept it at face value.

Mark T. Evert
Friendswood, TX

My opinions are strictly my own.
From: bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu (Ken Fisler)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Improving the nation's infrastructure
Date: 27 Sep 92 06:22:15 GMT


On the 4th of June this year (1992) Democratic Senator Albert
Gore of Tennessee introduced a bill, S. 2813, as a companion to a
pending House bill, H.R. 2772, that would establish in the GPO
[Government Printing Office] a single point of free online public
access, through federal depository libraries, to a wide range of
federal databases that contain electronically stored public
information. The Gore bill would also provide public access to 
agency databases through computer networks like the Internet and
the future National Research and Education Network (NREN) for a
fee, not to exceed "the incremental cost of dissemination." The
House bill, the GPO Wide Information  Network for Data Online
(WINDO) Act of 1991, will be considered at a hearing tentatively
set for July 23 before the House Administration Committee. The 
full text of the new Senate bill, the GPO Gateway to Government
Act of 1992, is in the Congressional Record on page S7600. It was
referred to the Senate Rules and Administration Committee. 

A broad spectrum of research, educational and public interest
organizations support H.R. 2772, including the American Library
Association, the Association of Research Libraries and the 
Medical Library Association. Because it will give the general
public access to a wealth of government information, this bill
should lead to a more open government and a better informed 
electorate, aims which, I think we would all agree, are in the
best interest of this country. I would hope that members of the
network community will support this important legislation and
other similar legislation to come by supporting Bill Clinton and
Al Gore for president and vice-president.

	Internet:	bc151@cleveland.freenet.edu
	Bitnet: 	bc151%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm
	Audio:		Ken Fisler
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From: kellyb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu
Subject: Re: WEE WEENIE WILLIE
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:57:16 GMT

In article <BvI2zy.D3M@oryx.com>, xdedcj@atom.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (dave c jarzabek) writes:
> In article <BvI04F.JtI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl) writes:
> |> xdedcj@atom.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (dave c jarzabek) writes:
> |> : A few days ago George Bush issued a challange for 4 debates.
> |> : 
> |> : This morning I read that "Wee Weenie Willie"  will only accept
> |> : 3 debates.  Bring out the chicken suits!  (or is that a conflict
> |> : of interest with the Arkansas poultry industry - or maybe that's
> |> : Hillary bashing).
> |> 
> |> As I heard it, a compromise was reached between Slick's folks and
> |> Chicken George's folks about how many of what kind of debates there
> |> will be.
> |> 
> |> The big problems Clinton had with Bushwacker's debate scheme was that
> |> the last debate would be held so close to the election, and that
> |> some of the dates Bushwacker proposed conflicted with big baseball
> |> games.  Of course, Chicken George is so out of touch with the
> |> American people that he wouldn't know about major league baseball....
> |> 
> |> : Q:  How many Dave C Jarzabek's does it take to change a light bulb?
> |> : Q:  Duh...  What's a light bulb?
> |> : ---------------------------------------
> |> : What are the 2 most commonly heard Dave C Jarzabek expressions?
> |> : -- Honest, mister, I was just helping that sheep back over the fence.
> |> : -- Don't fart in muh face, Clem!  SHIT!
> |> : ----------------------------------------
> |> : Q:  What did Dave C Jarzabek say when he was visiting the Chichen Ranch?
> |> : A:  Honest, Bo, I was just helping that chicken back over the fence.
> |> 
> |> It doesn't feel all that nice to have your own flames turned on you,
> |> does it?
> 
> 
>    You must have really strained the old brain muscle to come up
>     with these retorts!
> 
>    If Woody Allen had lived in Arkansas, there wouldn't be anything
>     unusual about his "family affair". 
      
     Texas is the bullshit state,asshole of the 48.

     Texas, where men are men and sheep are nervous.

     Why did the Texan cross the road?

     cause his dick was up the chickens ass.



     Remember the Alamo----------------Ozzy pissed there.



                            touche
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