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From: la@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Lewis Alderton)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: aikido workshop
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:07:38 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh

On the subject of Dan gradings, how much to the various organisations
charge for the Dan grading. I personaly only paid 10 pounds (stirling)
which I thought was v.v.v. cheap, but I would be interested to know how
much other people had to part with.
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From: ek@patty.gud.siemens.co.at (Ernst Krudl)
Subject: Re: Martial arts for children - what age?
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:52:32 GMT
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Martial arts for children - what age ?
Talking once with a grandmaster of Taiji and Wushu ( I am not sure if
I may mention his name ) on this case, the result was as follows:
(I have a daughter, which was 5 years then)
1) Children up to seven may hang around and watch and imitate the
practise in their own way. At this age (before seven) children's ability
to concentrate over *long* time is not yet developed.
After seven children should be able to learn a (short) form.
2) Children to suit their temper prefer a fast form and are generally
bored with slow practise like taijiquan, although they enjoy practising
application.
3) It is natural that children have a dynamic temper, which cools off as 
time goes by. Overquiet children might get a dynamic inside disturbance
during adulthood, so overquiet is in generall not considered healthy.

BTW, I take my daughter 7 now to a fast wushu form weekend seminar and let
her have her own way and see if the above applies.
Also I found children are extremly clever and wise to decide what kind
of movements suit them.

ernst krudl
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From: jkm2@ra.msstate.edu (Joseph K Mcallister)
Subject: Kuk Sool Won General Info
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:16:15 GMT

>> Key Players?

The founder of Kuk Sool is In Huyk Suh.  He is based in Houston Tx.  His
brother is the Grandmaster of Korea.  (I do not remember his name)

>>Founding information?

This is what I know.  I am a fairly new player in Kuk Sool, (1.5 years)
and so this may contain some inacuracies.

Grandmaster Suh's grandfather was the last "Captain of the Guard" for the
royal family in Korea.  When there was no longer a Royal family to guard
he looked around  for someone to pass down all of his knowledge to and
his own sons were too old to begin training.  He picked out Kuk Suh Nym
(Grandmaster Suh's title) to train at an early age and passed down
his knowledge.  This led to Kuk Suh Nym being founded in the Royal Styles
of Korean martial arts.  

All the above I am almost sure is true the following I think is true.

When his grandfather pased on he toured Korea with a letter of introduction
from his grandfather and studied with some of the big figures of the Tribal
styles.  He also studied with Buddest monks for Ki training and some of thier
techniques.  One of our forms is taken from a monk form.

After a time he came to America and started teaching over here. The founding
year is late 40's early 50's.

>>How well know is it in Korea?

I have never been to Korea, so I do not know.  From reading an article in
Black Belt mag. I think it is one of the top 5.  (along with Hapkido, 
TKD, Hwarang Do, and Yudo).  I am sure you could find a Kuk Sool school,
but I have no idea of how much effort it would take.


  Anything else??



Misc stuff.

  Weapons I have seen in Kuk Sool (sounds like a true confesions story)
Double Longsword, Longsword, Double Shortsword, Don Bong (long staff),
? Bong (short staff), Belt.



                   -Joel
From: gbaker@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg baker)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Women's Olympic Tae Kwon-DO
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 01:37:58 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt)) writes:

- Did anyone et to see the women's welter-weight Olympic Tae Kwon-Do 
- competition? I here it appeared on stalite, but it wasn't even shown on 
- the Triple Cast. I know the bronze medal winner, Danellia Layney, because 
- se takes from the same instructor, and I really wanted to see her fight
- (I know from sparring that she can kick my a**)

Are you talking about the American Team Trials or the actual honest to 
god Olympic games? The reason I ask is because I know a(was there two 
bronze medals?) bronze medalist in women's welter-weight. But it's not 
Danellia Layney, It's Shelley Vatesse-Baert ans she's canadian. I know 
she's a bronze medalist because we train together and I've seen the 
Olympic demonstration sport bronze medal....

.greg.

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From: by712@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark E. Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Couple wants to learn MA in Cleveland Ohio area
Date: 6 Nov 1992 15:50:24 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: by712@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark E. Bradley)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu



My wife and I are interested in learning martial arts, and we are seeking
advice on which arts would be best for us, and which schools in the Cleveland
area are good.  We are both rank beginners, (I took a few aikido classes which
taught me that I am a rank beginner) but we do not just want to take a few
self-defense classes, this is something we want to stick with.  Stephanie is
interested in it as a way to keep in shape, self defense, and a confidence
builder.  I have the same reasons, plus I've always wanted to learn martial
arts.  I am interested in some kind of punching/kicking art -- aikido was
fascinating, but I am an aggressive physical person, and it didn't suit me.
(I did learn how to fall, however :-)  So, nothing in a purely grappling style.

Stephanie and I plan to be sparring partners, so we want something that can
be practised by two people, but also alone, as I will probably want to practice
more often than she will be available.  (She is currently employed, I am
looking for a job)  If you can recommend an art that we might like, or have
a "my spouse and I take this" please let me know.

We would like to take classes on weekday evenings, and hopefully the dojo
would have a place to practice off-hours and weekends.  So if you know the
Cleveland area, and can recommend a good school, we would appreciate it.


Thanks for your time,
Mark

Mark Bradley
by712@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Subject: Re: Name that art!
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 16:36:16 GMT

In article <100947@bu.edu> giancc@csa.bu.edu (Chris Giancola) writes:

>I have been studying a variation on Muay Thai, one that has been
>passed down from generation to generation through a family of
>Laotians.  It involves many of the standard forms of Muay, but
>in each hand is a 2 1/2 - 3 foot sword.  In general it utilizes
>much sword technique, and in close combat relies on knee and elbow
>combinations.  Kicks are used too, making this art in practice look
>much like a "martial ballet"!  This art was not all physical, for much
>spirit development and control was emphasized.
>
>So why am I telling you all this?
>
>My teacher moved with his family, and I am now stuck without a
>teacher.
>I would like to know if anyone knows a name for a comparable art
>(with emphasis on 2-sword technique), and if it is taught anywhere
>in Massachusetts (Greater Boston preferred, but Im willing to go
>out of my way for the art), whether by a school or just a lone
>teacher.

It sounds like what you had was Krabi-Krabong, or something very
much like it.  Krabi-Krabong is the Thai weapons art.  Double sword
seems to be a popular weapon in the style, as you say.  It also includes
some kicks that look very much like Muay Thai.

I'll ask around and see if there is anyone teaching Krabi-Krabong in
your area, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Short review of Van Damme Movies
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:19:22 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1992Nov12.114017.7497@samba.oit.unc.edu> Gordon.Wormser@launchpad.unc.edu (Gordon Wormser) writes:
>
>Can anyone provide me with short critiques of Van Damme's movies?  Thanks. 

They stink.

Is that short enough?

Steve
From: gbaker@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg baker)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Time required to attain Black Belt
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 10:29:54 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

eric.t.zmarzly.1@nd.edu (Eric Zmarzly) writes:

- I was wondering about how long it takes different arts to attain a Black
- Belt, which is really only a beginning anyway.
- 
- Anybody?
- 
- Eric 

In Taekwon-do, it's taken me 4 years. That's training 3-4 times a week, 
2/3 hours a day....of course, being on the competition team might not 
make for a very rounded out sort of training...

.greg.


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From: alex.soto@analog.com (Alex Soto)
Subject: Differences between Aikido and Shaolin?
Originator: soto@thor
Organization: Analog Devices, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:40:51 GMT


Hi,
	It has recently come to my attention that there will be an Aikido
dojo opening up somewhat close to me.  While I had just decided to join and
begin training in Shaolin (hard style), I am now interested in finding out
the differences between these two particular arts.  I know all of them must
teach some kind of foundation which must be somewhat similar, but there must
be some differences between each art.  What does Aikido emphasize?  What does
Shaolin style emphasize?  
	Please post or email me at the email address below.  Thanks.

		Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)
From: bwebb@nrchh129.RICH.nt.com (Brad Webb)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: RE:KICK BAGS
Keywords: REC.MARTIAL-ARTS
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:22:28 GMT
Followup-To: RE:KICK BAGS
Organization: JAPAN SHOTOKAN

Kick Bags.... your looking to make simulated contact with a human being...
  most kick bags are for that. Note the advice below.
 1) no metal on the sides... duh.
 2) if doing mawashi geri ( round or roundhouse kick) kick the bag as normal
         just remember that your opponents can hit the top of your foot
          with an elbow or knee.
 3) if practicing groin kicks raise the bag and kick up into the bottom..
          again .... no metal there please.
 4) if practicing kicking into the body with your toes... start slow, to 
          toughen up your toes and strengthen them.
 5) use either 30/40 lbs bags or 70/80 lbs bags... the really big bags
           life banana bags (6ft, 100lbs +) are for toughening yourself up.

  my personal rule of thumb( or foot) is to use the ball of the foot
           whenever possible... i know it's  hard but then so is life.
           A smaller area(the ball) will have greater impact force, and you 
           can always change if you need... but if you don't always train
           the hard way.... what happens the day you need that hard training.

sayonara.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Chinese Belt systems (was Re: 10th Dan)
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 13:41:13 GMT

In article <MHIRSCH.92Nov12112105@volkl.princeton.edu> mhirsch@volkl.princeton.edu (Michael Hirsch) writes:
>When I spoke with the instructor there he expressed horror at another
>local school that has a colored sash system for _taiji_!  He couldn't
>understand HOW you could use colored sashes for that.  Kung Fu, maybe.
>But not TAIJI!

	Well, perhaps if they awarded sashes based purely on how long you
manage to live - say, a 20 year old gets white sashes, and if you make it to,
oh, 75 or so, you get a black sash - though I think a red or green sash would
be better (black isn't a particularly auspicious color).
--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
From: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Badass Karate
Date: 10 Nov 92 14:20:59 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Nov10.021216.2649@reed.edu> mnoell@reed.edu (Matthew Max Noell) writes:
>anthing at all about Kung Fu you know that Wing Chun is NOT garbage or
>nonsense.  Get a life.  Wing Chun is a very effective art.  If you really 
>think it is nonsense, then go find a decent Wing Chun school and challenge
>somebody.  Better yet, join and see how long you last!

Heh heh heh...

Well, since I see my address up there in the references header, I can
only assume you are responding to something I wrote a couple days ago.
I'd not normally even respond to this puerile waste, but I'm in a
really good mood, so I'll give you a few tips.

1) I noticed you also flamed another person, quite unseemly. Have you
ever been in a room, conversing with someone, and some asshole you don't
know charges in and starts arguing with you without even listening to
the context of the conversation? 

2) I knew someone from Reed College once. He was a very polite and
intelligent person. Why don't you learn to use your newsreader and
format your post correctly? And you might want to include a few lines of
the previous article to provide context for those who need it.

3) I suggest you go back and read my post. You obviously misinterpreted
it. I'll explain why in a minute.

4) If you knew anything about me, you'd know that I study Wing Chun.
Haha! Isn't that funny!

My post was in response to a thread that started as a means of showing
the world that Kyuokoshinkai Karate is the toughest thing going. Someone
supported this contention by suggesting that we all go out and watch the
movie "Fighting Black Kings". Ever seen it? I have. It is an
entertaining film, with some interesting fights. However, it is also
produced from the perspective of showing that some particular style of
Karate is the toughest thing going. Accordingly, they presented
practitioners of other arts, who also participated in this open
tournament, in a very dim light.

For example, they showed some 'Kung Fu' stylists, practicing on that
hill looking over Hong Kong (from which every HK MA movie must show at
least one scene). They were practicing some kind of hybrid Wing Chun
form that looked like a cross between Siu Lum Tao and Chum Kiu. As
another poster wrote, the person in question looked fat and soft. Their
Kung Fu sucked. And of course they got beaten, and of course the movie
presented this as evidence that Kung Fu sucks and this particular style
of Karate rules. 

So, to sum up, I was merely pointing out that the movie was far from
being a legitimate source about the efficacy of other martial arts. I
further pointed out that it was wrong to base one's opinion of 'Kung Fu'
upon Wing Chun alone (since there are hundreds of styles), especially
the weak, pathetic version that was shown.

Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and pay attention before
you start tossing the invective around?

David Poore
poore@ds13.scri.fsu.edu

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From: juola@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (Patrick Juola)
Subject: Re: Chinese Belt systems (was Re: 10th Dan)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:00:07 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.134113.10780@srg.srg.af.mil> schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485) writes:
>	Well, perhaps if they awarded sashes based purely on how long you
>manage to live - say, a 20 year old gets white sashes, and if you make it to,
>oh, 75 or so, you get a black sash - though I think a red or green sash would
>be better (black isn't a particularly auspicious color).

Oh, I don't know.... Isn't white the funeral colour in most of the East?
(the colour of the *novice* belt.... I like!)
From: giancc@csa.bu.edu (Chris Giancola)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Name that art!
Summary: Someone please tell me the name of this style
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:51:34 GMT
Organization: Boston U, CS dept.
Originator: giancc@csa

I have been reading this newsgroup for a while and have learned
a great deal about many forms which I had never even heard of before.

I have been studying a variation on Muay Thai, one that has been
passed down from generation to generation through a family of
Laotians.  It involves many of the standard forms of Muay, but
in each hand is a 2 1/2 - 3 foot sword.  In general it utilizes
much sword technique, and in close combat relies on knee and elbow
combinations.  Kicks are used too, making this art in practice look
much like a "martial ballet"!  This art was not all physical, for much
spirit development and control was emphasized.

So why am I telling you all this?

My teacher moved with his family, and I am now stuck without a
teacher.
I would like to know if anyone knows a name for a comparable art
(with emphasis on 2-sword technique), and if it is taught anywhere
in Massachusetts (Greater Boston preferred, but Im willing to go
out of my way for the art), whether by a school or just a lone
teacher.

Thank you all for your time.  Any replies would be appreciated.

Chris Giancola
E-Mail: giancc@csa.bu.edu


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From: stark@dwovax.enet.dec.com (Todd I. Stark)
Subject: Re: Martial arts for children - what age?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date:  5 NOV 92 10:26:03    


cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham) writes:
>> At what age can a child begin to benefit from taking martial arts
>> classes?  
>> 
>> - Cindy

An important principle, implied by most of the preceding posts,
is that the skill, motivation, and patience of the instructor in teaching
young children is the most significant factor by far.  SOmeone who
teaches an art, any art, by rote or by sheer repetition will 
have a real problem with young children, no matter what they're
teaching.  ANd someone with real teaching talent can have a certain
amount of success even teaching certain aspects of an otherwise
complex art.  

Very little of this is unique to martial arts, most is basic child
education.

That said, I'll provide the guidelines that I find useful :

Grappling arts can be started in simple form as soon as the child's
natural instincts to wrestle are noticed.  This is seen in young
boys as early as 2-4.  No formal training is likely to be appropriate at
this point, however.  

At about 7, the discipline and capacity for
formal training is acquired, and a group structure is more likely
to be sucessful.  I rarely take children below age 7 for
any kind of organized group activity, as a personal guideline to
maintain quality of instruction.

At between 9 and 11, more rigorous competitive training can be 
introduced, like boxing and calisthenics, though you wouldn't want
anything like a full scale adult training program at that point yet.

At about this age, I think, is the optimal time to introduce the really
core physical and psychological skills for serious martial arts
application, like slipping punches, taking relatively hard falls, 
learning committment and tolerance to training, and so on.

Somewhere between 12 and 14, is the earliest time I would begin
the heavier physical training, like weights and such, depending
on the child and their capacity and motivation.

These specific examples are my own guidelines, not intended as
universal principles by any means.  Instructor experience varies.

					kind regards,

					todd

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From: bwebb@nrchh129.RICH.nt.com (Brad Webb)
Subject: RE:karate-books
Followup-To: karate-books
Keywords: martial atrs
Organization: japan shotokan
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:34:07 GMT


Karate books: most of the BEST Karate series by Nakayama Matsatoshi,shihan
are available through any bookstore(ie Waldens, B. Dalton, BookStop, etc.).

I have a copy of Mr. Hassell's book( a gift from a student) and 
Mr. Schmidt's book is published in the US by Mr Hassell.  These also may
be available through bookstores although they are harder to find.

Note:  most large MA retailers like AWMA(asian world), or Ohara
  also sell them.   

I'll help if needed, give me a call... 214-231-4922, US.

sayonara.
From: vetrima@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: New Jersey Kendo
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:23:11 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

Could anyone send me info about Kendo clubs in the Indiana or New Jersey area.


THANKS

ENZO
From: radner@cray.com (Lauren Radner)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Flashlight as legal weapon ( Re: Flail legality )
Keywords: weapons, flashlights
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:31:02 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <24144@alice.att.com> garry@alice.UUCP () writes:
>
>Well, I noticed the other night, while looking through the new Cold
>Steel Special Projects catalog, 
>

.... <massive snip>

>And, of course, they also sell a variety of knives, for those more
>concerned with staying alive than staying legal.
>
>You can order a catalog by calling: 800 255-4922.

Thanks, Garry. I called them (either they're open 24 hours or they're
in California!) and ordered a catalogue. The fun part was answering
the question "How did you hear of us?" .....

-Lauren
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From: ftit@minorca.engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman)
Subject: Re: Badass Karate
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 16:40:12 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: ftit@minorca.engin.umich.edu


In article <1992Nov5.204304.29380@oracle.us.oracle.com>, glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo) writes:
|In article <1992Nov4.215421.8721@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs922096@ariel.yorku.ca (JOSE J. MONTANO) writes:
|>
|>from China did pretty well, considering Kung-Fu has always had a bad rap as being
|>useless in competition vs. other arts.  The Thai boxers did as expected--they 
|>For the record, I study WTF TKD.
|>|)  Joe

|Perhaps you haven't seen any real Chinese martial artists, other
|than those from movies. Come to challenge my master or ask your
|master to challenge my master, and count how long before you are
|on the ground.

Oh!  Oh!  It's happened!  "My sensei can beat up your sensei!"  I
wouldn't have believed it five minutes ago.

That said, I didn't get what he meant by "useless in competition"
either.  Doesn't sound like something we should see on a newsgroup like
this, though.

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