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From: msmith@crc.ac.uk (Mike Smith x3297)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Words: American vs English (UK type)
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:50:03 GMT
Reply-To: msmith@crc.ac.uk (Mike Smith x3297)
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre

In article <thos.718421370@suite.sw.oz.au>, thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
> 
> What do people over in the UK call Tractor-trailer rigs (to use the 
> American parlance)? We call them Semi's (from semi-trailer or
> semi-articulated, which doesn't really make a lot of sense).
> 
It varies, some people call them Artic's (short for articulated), others call
them Juggernauts.

Mike SMith
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From: mclo@rtf.bt.co.uk (John McLoughlin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Names of naughty politicians
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:58:36 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <Bvn9y8.G1n@scd.hp.com> tim%hpcpbla.bri.hp.com@hplb.hpl.hp.com writes:
>
>I'm setting up a cluster of workstations and it has been decreed that the
>hostnames will have a theme.  
>.... I've come up 
>with the idea of politicians disgraced by scandal (the more sordid the better).
>
>Profumo
>Mellor
>Thorpe
>Archer
>Lucan (not a politician but the right flavour)
>
>Cheers,
>Tim Phipps.

What about :
Cecil Parkinson - Tory MP, secretary had his child .
Harvey Proctor - Tory MP, fond of spanking rent boys.
Paddy Ashdown - Liberal MP and party leader, had affair with his secretary,
 aka Paddy pants down ( Sun headline ! ).
Keith Best - Tory MP, Multiple share applications, suspended prison sentence
???? Brown - Tory MP, Caught buggering another man on Hampstead Heath
John Stonehouse - labour MP, embezzled large amount of money, faked his 
 suicide, ran off with secretary, caught and imprisoned.

Hope this helps, please let us know who you finally choose, and why.

John.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: mcsavaney_d@apollo.hp.com (#David McSavaney)
Subject: Re: y
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:44:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <Bw51yt.7pq.2@cs.cmu.edu> jch+@cs.cmu.edu (Jonathan Hardwick) writes:
>You're kidding, right?  The last time I had to relieve someone of the
>misapprehension that Britain is an absolute monarchy where the Queen
>gives out the orders was last Monday.  At the end of the haircut she
>
>Jonathan H.

Keywords - haircut, she

Your haircut person must be close friends of my haircut person.
When I told here I was born in London she said "Oh, up in Maine?"

Dave McSavaney
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Privatisation snippets
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:37:28 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

In article <26841@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>A quick question though: do you folks that oppose the privatisations
>here, also oppose them in Russia? I don't have details (though I'm sure
>someone here will inform us) but it looks like they are simply giving
>everyone shares in things and saying "on you go mate, now you own it."
>Is this a fair way to do things? I kinda like the idea myself.

I do. The belief that everything can be privatised in one go
overnight is a lunatic as the belief that it could all be
nationalised in one go. You cannot instantly transform an
economy based on state planning to one based on free
enterprise, however desirable that transformation may be in
the long run. It appears to me that the Russians and others in
Eastern Europe are involved in some sort of massive cargo cult
- they believe they need only set up the altars of the Great
God Capitalism for all the consumer goodies of the west to come
flowing in.

Matthew Huntbach
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From: ag129@cus.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Is there any need for that struggle(Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA))
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:38:45 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England


Does anyone know the proportion of Northern Irish who are not Christian?
Since this proportion (especially the atheists) is getting larger, why not
wait until the problem goes away of itself?
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Cities with 7 hills (keep dreaming, Edinburgh)
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:47:49 GMT
	<LUCHINI.92Oct14162534@fangio.nhmfl.fsu.edu>
	<92288.093308BERNARD@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> <26904@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <26904@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson) writes:

   Any city can be imagined to be built on seven hills if you're sufficiently
   careful with your definition of "hill" (well, maybe not Cambridge). Saying
   that Edinburgh shares anything with Rome is just as fatuous as calling it
   "The Athens of the north".

They just said it was nicer, not that it shares things with it.

Edinburgh still has quite a large number of Parthenons (or do I mean
Atheniums?) scattered about, and the city council is warning us that we'll
suffer terrible smog in a few years time, so we have something in
common with Athens.  :-)
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: guy@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: BBC Radio 4 Longwave
Date: 15 Oct 92 11:25:05 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:

>In article <2930@nlsun1.oracle.nl> mlemmerm@nl.oracle.com (Mick Lemmerman Publisher) writes:

>   - The BBC have not demonstrated that there is a need for a 24 hour per day
>     news channel on long wave. They will receive little support for the idea
>     until they do.

Well, maybe not 24 hours, but I can think of two occasions recently on
which I wished the all-news service already existed:

Radio 4 decided to split off long wave a few weeks ago to carry the
emergency Parliamentary debate on economic policy.  I tuned in again
the following day assuming that the network would split again to carry
the debate on foreign policy, but it didn't.  The all-news service
would almost certainly have carried both debates.

On the evening of the French referendum on Maastricht, I came in
around 8pm and was unable to find out the result for some time.  You
may well answer "don't be so impatient" or "why don't you get Ceefax
then"; none the less, it's an occasion on which I'd have appreciated
instant Radio-4-style analysis.

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          | University of Cambridge | University of Edinburgh
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: cmorris@Ingres.COM (Colin Morris)
Subject: Re: Edinburgh
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:28:34 GMT

In article <BvxI9L.51o@CAM.ORG> dunn@CAM.ORG (Ray Dunn) writes:
>In referenced article, h.jonkers@et.tudelft.nl (Henk Jonkers) writes:
>
>>By the way, something different, what's the correct pronunciation of
>>the name "John Menzies"?
>
>To me it's always been "Mingis", but I was reading something,
>somewhere, just recently about something, no, about the fact that
>since the John Menzies chain has spread south of the border they have
>decided that the obvious pronounciation should be used.

Well, my uncle worked for Menzies in London, but on his transfer to
their headquarters in Edinburgh he was informed in no uncertain terms
that he now worked for "Mingis". Mind you, getting this right wasn't
half the problem he had learning the locations of Menzies shops such
as Hawick...

--
Colin Morris       Ingres, an ASK company       cmorris@ws2s.ingres.com

He must be a Communist. After all, his name begins with a "C" and he
did take a short vacation to - horror of horrors - Moscow.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency problems
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:33:13 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
>~
>~If it can be done in Sweden, then it can surely be done in the uk.

>I must be dreaming here. Mike, I think that you're way off base on
>most things ;-), but here you've gone completely over the top. First
>you're complaining about the UK govt.taking too much tax and spending
>it on social welfare, and then you want the UK to be more like Sweden.
>How do you reconcile those two ideas? BTW, I don't think the UK could
>become like Sweden even if we wanted, because Sweden has a very small
>population and a great wealth of natural resources.

What I was alluding to was the recent events in Sweden. Having
discovered that they're taxing themselves into oblivion to support a
bloated welfare state, they've recently cut government expenditure by
20%.

I note also that Sweden managed to hold its currency against the German
Mark by showing a bit more guts than our government was, for all its
talk, capable of doing.

>===Jeremy Henderson===

FoFP

Couldn't we make Thatcher Governess of the Falklands?
From: pd@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Paul Davison)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Roy Harper a British singing icon
Keywords: Harper
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:54:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

Why not join the Roy Harper mailing list!

Mail stormcock-request@dcs.qmw.ac.uk for more info. There's lots of
exciting news at the moment, with the new album, UK tour, possible
European dates early next year, re-releases and all sorts.
--
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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Edinburgh
Date: 8 Oct 92 02:25:27 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <BvrCJx.oA@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v064myby@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Christophe J Quaranta) writes:
> 
> 	Can anyone tell me how you're supposed to pronounce Edinburgh?
> Every Scot I talk to seems to say Edinboro!  I assume they're not referring
> to Pennsylvania.
> 						Latre,
> 						'Q'

	Try Edinburry !!! 

now a little tester:: try these names of Scottish towns,

1. Strathave
                                                                       n 
2. Milngavie 
2. Milngavie

-- 
Sandy Mackinnon
University of Strathclyde
Glasgow
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.celtic
From: riordanm@cs.tcd.ie (Mark Riordan)
Subject: Re: Is there any need for that struggle(Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA))
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin (Computer Science)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 15:27:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.141311.2320@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>
>Well, there is no divorce or abortion in the Republic of
>Ireland, people have the Gaelic language forced down their
>throat at school, there is no honour paid to Mrs. Elizabeth
>Windsor, etc, etc. Little things, maybe, but they are what
>culture is all about.
>
There are also many differences which are in Ireland's favour
which might have been mentioned in a more balanced posting.

MARK
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Subject: Re: Energy Policy (or lack of it.)
Reply-To: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:19:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.180939.9523@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>[...]								       At teh
>moment Nuclear Electric is being subsidised to the tune of around about 1.2
>billion a year.

	The chairman of NE is at pains to point out that this subsidy is
being rapidly phased out.  However ....

>		 Apparently each coal-miner has cost the government 400,000
>pounds in the last 13 years, a figure which is far too much.
  [ calculation yielding around 1.2 billion per year omitted ]
>					So an insignificant nuclear industry is
>worth spending money on, whereas an enormous competitive efficient world-class
>coal-mining industry is not. It's hardly surprising they've screwed this
>country up so much, is it?

	Think of it the other way.  It used to be said that we could ensure
full employment only by employing one set of people to dig holes and another
set to come along and fill them up again.  How would you feel if some govt
were to come along, and suggest employing people, at a cost comparable with
that of employing doctors, headmasters, senior civil servants, etc., to dig
large holes in the ground, in incredibly dangerous and filthy conditions,
to use the spoils to make huge black mountains all over the UK, the spoils
being too expensive even to burn, and thus having no use beyond spreading
muck all over the landscape?  Sensible?  If not, why is it screwing this
country to suggest that we stop the practice?

	I have *enormous* sympathy for the individual miners who have done
this difficult and dangerous work for years and now find themselves out
of work.  But let's not romanticise what they've been doing.  The "pit
villages" whose community spirit, we're told, is being evilly destroyed
are truly horrid places;  shoddy boxes in soulless estates, miles from
anywhere, and dominated by the wasteland that their raison d'etre has
created;  and themselves often having destroyed the original small and
pleasant villages which they surround.  The sooner this industry can be
humanely closed down, and the damage repaired, the better.

	What did you mean by "competitive" and "world-class", anyway?
How much coal do we export to Germany or Australia?  Is our coal-mining
industry any more competitive and world-class than our car industry, or
our washing-machine industry, or our computer industry?

-- 
Andy Walker, Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
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From: ulick@angelico.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.politics.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Irish Rejects Associated (IRA)
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:26:30 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <NN1ksB6w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:
>They gone on a mass campaign, after the tourist season.  8 Bom attacks within a
>period of 10 days.
>
The xenophobe with the bad French attacks the IRA!!!  Safer ground, eh?

>My disgust for these extremists cannot be hidden any longer.  All they
>accomplish is that MORE restraint should be but on Northern Irish territory.
>

Probably the reaction they want.  Once the British start setting up
concnetration camps like they did in the early 70's, the IRA will
get more support.

>It seems that there are people who CANNOT respect the fact that 20 years ago,
>the British Army came in AT THE INVITATION of the then Stormont government as
>THEY turned to Westminister for help.
>

And the Stormont government was well loved by nationalists?  Noone asked 
the British army to accept to 'invitation' or stay as long as they have.

>I wonder what would happen if the British and the Irish military decided handed
>in to work on a peaceful resolution to the Northern Irsih problem.
>

Oh, you can't write English either?

>It was agreed in the 1920's that 6 Irish counties that wanted to remain under
>the Crown, went its way.
>

Bullshit.  6 was the number over which there was a comfortable unionist 
majority.  At least 2 and maybe 4 of these counties had Nationalist
majorities.

>Let history be the judge of that.
>
And the Stormont government treated the Nationalist minority with so
much respect and kindness.

>If the IRA can't except the current situation, I wonder what would ACTUALLY
>happen if both Britain and Ireland decided jointly to send their armies into
>the trouble zone.
>
I'd love to see the British accept that, but that would be exactly the kind
of surrender the IRA could accept, realistically.  If that is the result,
their campaign will be worth it.

>Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,

Why do you like cross posting to display your ignorance? You don't read 
soc.cultre.celtic, do you?



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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Privatisation snippets
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:11:42 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
>However, I'm confused by those people who argue:
>
>a) The government shouldn't be selling the shares. I am happy currently
>being an effective shareholder in nationalised company X.
>
>b) They're selling them too cheaply anyway.
>
>..the obvious thing for these people to do is to buy some shares,
>because:
>
>a) They'll still be a shareholder as they requested above.
>
>b) By their own calculation, they're getting a bargain.

That's all very well if you have the money to buy them back.
Yes, I am sure you will argue that you do have the money in the
form of the having to pay less tax. That argument doesn't hold
though when the proceeds of privatisation were used only to
reduce some people's taxes (the rich of course).

Matthew Huntbach
From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency problems
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:58:38 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

hugh@sci.kun.nl (Hugh Osborne) writes:

>In <26798@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>>[...] *compulsory* contribution to welfare is wrong.

>As a point of interest: are you also against compulsory contribution to
>defence?

No, I'm not. the main difference between minarchists (most libertarians)
and anarchists is that minarchists believe that the state is necessary to
provide defence of people's rights and property. That requires the
Police, an army, and a Justice system. The  main reason for this is that
any economy requires that when people work to obtain property, they can
have some confidence that it will remain theirs. In an advanced economy,
people must also have some degree of confidence that contracts can be
legally enforced and that there is some sanction on fraudsters.

The arguments begin when debating the sort of tax that should be levied
to provide these services.

FoFP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Accents (was Re: Abuse a Brit)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 09:55:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.092211.6720@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, norr@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil.orr) writes:
> But did you know that the Scots speak the best German, French and
> most certainly Dutch (but not all at the one time) ?

Although when speaking English with an accent like that they might as well
be speaking German, French and Dutch all at the same time.

Simon (adhering to the s.c.b tradition)

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From: mossop@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Antony Mossop)
Subject: Re: Privatisation snippets
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 01:28:18 GMT

In article <1bi91mINNlpi@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>In article <1992Oct14.220402.15761@menudo.uh.edu>, chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789") writes:
>|>
>..........................................
>
>And there are plenty of other examples where the underwriters
>simply don't know how the public are going to price a company,
>and so there is a huge price rise in the first day, first week
>or first year. 
>
>So now, as always, readers can decide which of us is talking
>"utter nonsense".     You're throwing out labels, and I'm
>describing what actually happened, and which happens all the
>time.
>
>Oh, and I'll spare you the obvious retort that if pinkos are 
>"provoked" by reality, that says a lot about pinkos.    That's 
>far too nasty a thing for even me to say.
>

Large banks, insurance companies etc.. have a very good idea how much
say a large telecommunications monopoly in a country like the UK is
worth. They employ large numbers of people to make them large sums of
money on exactly this kind of information. This is especially true
of big diversified companies with tangible assets and known
profitability. Speculation is much more feasible on new, small
niche companies where the investor is looking at unknown territory
and the real worth is anyones guess. In fact if large businesses
did not have an actual worth, uncontrolled by market speculation,
Lord Hanson and similar unbundlers would not be sitting so pretty
today.


Tony Mossop, geophysics, Stanford
>jon.
From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Reports from political conventions
Date: 9 Oct 92 08:12:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
>Can anyone post a summary of what happened at the LDem, Labour and Tory
>conventions?  Please post.

The British word used is "Conference". "Convention" is an
Americanism (the Liberal Party used to refer to theirs as
"Assembly", but this idiosyncrasy was one of the things lost in
the Lib-SDP merger). Note that it is general not to use the
definite article when referring to them, particularly if you
are a party member (e.g. you would ask someone "Are you going
to Conference?", not "Are you going to the conference?").

The LibDems were heard moaning that it was typical of the
Tories to organise a sterling crisis to draw attention away
from their conference. Actually, a lot of very interesting
things happened at this conference, but since everyone was too
busy watching the pound plummet, nobody noticed.

Nothing at all happened at the Labour conference. The leader
gave a boring speech, everyone was very polite. This is what
Conservative conferences used to be like.

The Conservative conference is still going on. It has been
dominated by faction-fighting, back-stabbing, speeches and
derision aimed against the leadership. This is what Labour
conferences used to be like.

Matthew Huntbach