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From: v058kchy@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Joseph Avolio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: [WCW] Flair getting the belt
Date: 28 Jan 93 18:39:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9301272332.AA15472@pserv.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM>, ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com (Otto Heuer #3) writes...
> 
>Herb (or anyone else that heard the same rumor from any source):
> 
>Did the source specifically say that Flair would win the **WCW**
>World belt immediately after coming to the WCW (presumably from
>Van Vader, which kinda seems like a mismatch) or could it be
>possible that he is going to win the **NWA** World belt (it never
>did look right without the "Ric Flair" plate on it IMHO).  :-)
> 
>In one of my tamer dreams, he'd win both belts and unify them.
>After all, he is THE MAN!
> 

....I don't think Flair will win the NWA belt first or if at all.  Supposing
     Windham takes it from Muto, a Flair/Windham or even a Flair/Muto program
     for the NWA title would overshadow the WCW title.  If Watts is logical
     (that's a joke!!) he'll put the WCW strap around Flair waist right away
     and get his own title over before thinking about the NWA belt.

                                            JoMosh
From: carlton@hfglobe.intel.com (Mark Carlton)
Subject: Re: Questions
Organization: Intel Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:17:07 GMT

damon@umbc.edu (Mr. Damon Kelly) writes:


>   BTW,what's the deal with Rick Rude!? I know he's got a legit shoulder
>injury and all, but why strip him of the title? I don't know this for sure but
>it would seem that Rude would be on his way out. Or is his injury so severe
>that Watts has no other choice? Do any of you guy know the severity of Rick's
>injury or how long he will be out past this saturdays "deadline"? hope he's
>back soon because I don't care how improved Dustin Rhodes is I just can't
>accept him as a competent singles champ.
>                                                  
>                                                     Thanx in advance,
>                                                           BRIAN

According to the Observer, Rude has a buldging disc is his neck
and will be out of action until March.  There is friction between
him and CowShit Watts about being paid while he is injured (concerning
his contract that he signed with Kip Frey).  Meltzer also said that CowShit 
stripped Rude of the US title(on Sat. Night Show) but Rude won't return the 
belt which is no work. 

Mark
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
From: carlton@hfglobe.intel.com (Mark Carlton)
Subject: Re: "Title matches are real"
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:19:13 GMT

rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan) writes:


>Another big misconception is that wrestling was real not too long
>ago.  I've heard people in their 40's and 50's talking about how
>they can remember when pro wrestling was real.  

This brings to mind a book I got as a Christmas present when I was 
10 or 11 call "100 Greatest Sporting Feats" which was a book containing
sporting accomplishments like the 100 points that Wilt Chamberlain scored
in a NBA game.

One of these was the fact that Strangler Lewis(?) won 88 or 100 stait 
matches(I can't remember the exact number) .  That writer was sure fooled!

More disinformation upcoming,

Mark

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From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: Old AWA tape partial review
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 09:40:06 EST

In article <C19vtG.GyB@hfglobe.intel.com>
carlton@hfglobe.intel.com (Mark Carlton) writes:
 
>Jimmy Garvin wrestled as "Gorgeous Jimmy Garvin" with his valet Precious
>as a heel in the AWA and NWA for quite a while.  He turned face when
>his brother, Ronnie Garvin(really his father-in-law) was fueding with
>Ric Flair.
 
Ron Garvin is Jimmy's step-father.
 
>Later Flair fueded with Jimmy over Precious.  Gravin joined
>the Freebirds(Gordy and Hayes) at a Clash of Champions which is the last
>time I ever saw Gordy as a Freebird around 1989.
 
Remember Flair kissing the mannequin?  Truly a low point in The Man's
career.
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
From: hit@sol.acs.unt.edu (Hisaharu Tanabe)
Subject: Re: INFO ON INDEPENDENTS
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:20:09 GMT

jseager@mta.ca writes:

>I WOULD APPRECIATE IF ANYONE COULD POST INFORMATION ON SOME OF THE
>INDEPENDENTS AND ON JAPAN IF THEY HAVE ACCESS AS I AM STUCK UP IN
>A TOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF NEW BRUNSWICK AND ONLY HAVE ACCESS TO THE
>SYNDICATED WWF CRAP AND WCW POWER HOUR AND WORLD WIDE. AS WE ONLY
>RECEIVE LIMITED ACCESS TO U.S. STATIONS MY KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IS 
>GOING IN THE WRESTLING WORLD HAS BEEN RESTRICTED TO THESE FEW SHOWS.
>I NEED TO BE LIBERATED FROM THIS MEDIOCRITY AND PRESENTED WITH GOOD INFO
>MATION.

i would appreciate if you could quit capitalizing every single letter.

I believe Dave Scherer will do the TV review on Japanese wrestling.  For the
news, I often post them as soon as I get the info from NiftyServe or
fj.rec.sports.prowrestling.  However, I usually post only what I'm interested
in.  So, there's not much possibility that you'll see the posts about UWF
groups from me.

As for the US promotions, many people always post the news here.

-- 
Hisaharu Tanabe                 E-Mail : hit@sol.acs.unt.edu
University of No Hexes                   htanabe@world.std.com (if in Japanese)
Denton,Texas
$@EDJU>08<!wKL%F%-%5%9=#N)Bg(J

           "Don't you think it's sometimes wise not to grow up?"

                                              -- Rolling Stones
From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Royal Rumble
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 11:41:01 EST

Sorry, Brain.  But the best-quote-of-the-night award goes to
Gorilla Monsoon for calling Carlos Colon a "youngster."
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
From: jsteeves@ac.dal.ca (Jason Steeves)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: DAVEY BOY SIGNS WITH WCW
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:30:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: ac.1993Jan26.163031.10580
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <wfN1Mxu00WBLA3GWFH@andrew.cmu.edu>, Gary James Patalsky <gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Jim Ross said on his radio show that Davey Boy Smith has signed a
> contract with WCW.  Ross said that he begin wrestling in mid February. 

And a local wrestling hotline claims it's for 100 dates. Not a terribly
long contract, but renewable I suppose.

   ______       
  (__  __)     .----------------------. 
 _  / /        | Jason Steeves        |
( \/ /         | (jsteeves@ac.dal.ca) |
 \__/ ASON     `----------------------'
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Rectape ballot part 1
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:37:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

After a LONG and exhaustive search of the tape archives, here is the
ballot for the next Rectape.  The way we will do the balloting is, after
this explanation, there will be a ballot for you to pick the top 30
matches listed that you want to see.  Then, in the following posts, I
will list the matches.  They will be broken down by tape quality.


There will also be a spot where you can answer the following questions:

1) Would you like the tape to be:

 A. 6 hours in length and cost 20 US dollars.
 B. 8 hours in length and cost 25 US dollars.
 C. Make the master tape 8 hours in length so that the people who want a
    6 hour tape can get it and the the people who want an 8 hour tape
    can get that.  The price will be 20 for 6 hours and 25 for 8 hours.

2) Are there enough matches on this ballot to call for a second tape, at
   a (much) later date?  Yes or no.

The reason for this question is for a possible future tape.

I think that option C makes the most sense for all.

They way the balloting will work is that it will be weighted, a first
place match gets 30 points, 2nd place gets 29, etc).  I will post this
ballot twice, once today and again next week so that as people get back
to school next week they can vote also.  The voting will go through
1\31.  I will then tabulate the results and post the final results when
I make the master.  When Voting, just list the NUMBER next to the match.
If the first match on the ballot is Sid Vicious vs Hogan, which it won't
be <G>, and it is your 2nd pick, next to "B" on the ballot, write "1".

Then I will notify people through E Mail to send their payment.  People
will be notified in the order that they send their ballot to me.  I
guess that's it.  Any questions, feel free to E mail.  Sorry for those
who are not interested in this.  I don't mean to waste space here, but
this is the only way to reach everyone.

E mail ballots to above address, or if that does not work,
73750.752@compuserve.com.

BALLOT

Question answers
1)
2)

Matches
A.                     K.                    U.
B.                     L.                    V.
C.                     M.                    W.
D.                     N.                    X.
E.                     O.                    Y.
F.                     P.                    Z.
G.                     Q.                   AA.
H.                     R.                   BB.
I.                     S.                   CC.
J.                     T.                   DD.

That's all folks!
---
 . SLMR 2.0 . I don't need no stinkin' tagline
From: jseager@mta.ca
Subject: Mike Jackson
Reply-To: jseager@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:46:21 GMT

Is Mike still proclaiming himself to be the Alabama Jr. Heavyweight Champion
and who did he actually beat for the belt?
From: hekunze@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze)
Subject: Re: [WCW] Flair getting the belt
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:54:21 GMT

In article <C1JFqH.M6J@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, rusbara2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Bob Rusbasan) writes:
> In article <9301272332.AA15472@pserv.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com> writes:
> >Did the source specifically say that Flair would win the **WCW**
> >World belt immediately after coming to the WCW (presumably from
> >Van Vader, which kinda seems like a mismatch) or could it be
> >possible that he is going to win the **NWA** World belt (it never
> >did look right without the "Ric Flair" plate on it IMHO).  :-)

  "Flair will win the WCW Title very shortly after his return on 02/15."
  Somthing to that effect. 

> This is mostly just speculation, but when it was first announced
> that Flair was leaving the WWF and returning to WCW, it was said
> that one of the people he'd be programmed with was Barry Windham.
> When they announced that Windham was wrestling Muta for the NWA
> title at Super Brawl, I thought maybe they were going to pass the
> title from Muta to Windham to Flair.

  This seems the logical thing to do.  I've read it in one place already
  and Meltzer has even speculated about it.  The problem is doing it
  without pissing off New Japan.  The NWA Title still means something
  in Japan, although not what it used to mean (aside: in the early
  80s there were several NWA International titles in All Japan plus
  the NWA Jr. Title in New Japan.  Most of them disappeared or dropped
  the NWA affiliation (becoming the All Japan International titles)
  in the mid-80s), probably because the NWA world champion didn't 
  tour as much to help keep the title over and because the WWF started
  to overshadow the NWA in the US.  In any case, getting Muta to drop
  the NWA title to Windham without losing much of the relationship 
  with New Japan seems to be a sticky point.

  The scenario I've read has Windham getting the NWA Title and Flair
  getting the WCW title and then they feud title vs. title, I would
  guess with Flair unifying them.  

  Meltzer points out that all eyes will be on what Ric Flair does when
  he returns to WCW.  Whatever title he wins will become *the* title
  in WCW.  That's why it seems unlikely that Flair would win the NWA
  Title without first owning the WCW Title. 

                                                              Herb...
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: How far does the WWF go in "booking" the Rumble?
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:36:20 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.pro-wrestling

In article <mjenkins.727629557@cunews>, mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca
(Michael Jenkinson) wrote:
> 
> I'm wondering to what the degree the WWF books the Royal Rumble, and
> how much of it is free-for-all.
> 
> Obviously the wrestlers orders of entry are booked. Ditto for the
> winner. But in between that, how much latitude are the wrestlers given
> for finding their own feuds in the ring, deciding who they're going to
> beat up on and how, and how long they get to stay in the ring?

I heard that essentially, each wrestler knows who he is supposed to throw
out and who is supposed to throw him out, and in what order (e.g.,
Undertaker throws Duggan out after Micahels enters the ring, or something
like that).  they also have a backup plan in case something goes wrong
(like the booked winner accidentally getting eliminated).

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
From: skar@warp6.cs.misu.NoDak.edu (Keith M. Skar)
Subject: RR match 2
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:53:46 GMT
Organization: Minot State University -- Minot, ND.

Match 2....

Shawn Michaels retained the IC title.  Sheri was going to hit Shawn with
her shoe while Jannety held him.  Shawn ducked...Jannety got hit with
the shoe.  Michaels yells at Sheri for a little while...Jennety gets up
Shawn hits him with a superkick and pins him.

Match 3.....
Bam Bam Bigalow defeats the Big Boss Man.

         

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From: jseager@mta.ca (jeremy seager)
Subject: Re: [WCW] Sat Night - Battle of the Underdogs - WOW
Reply-To: jseager@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:31:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.194707.2017@data-io.com>, jewell@Data-IO.COM (Cal Jewell) writes:
>In article <9301240248.AA03460@pserv.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> Otto Heuer #3 <ottoh3@cfsmo.honeywell.com> writes:
>#
>#For people who tape WCW Saturday Night:
>#
>#This is NOT the week to fast-forward through the "Battle of the
>#Underdogs" match (like I tend to do).  Pat Rose was beaten by
>#the next Jushin "Thunder" Liger!
>
>What was that guy's name?

I not positive, but I think it was Chris Benoit

>
>He worked his ass off. He did a lot of stock Liger moves, but he
>did a few things I hadn't seen before. Namely, the "run to the
>corner, jump on to the top rope, back flip off and land on your
>opponent" thingy.
>
>#
>#Wow.
>
>I'll second that.
>
>I hope he gets a shot. It would give the concept of "Battle of the 
>Underdogs" a little more credibility and it would give this kid a
>reward for working his ass off. (I know I already said that, but I
>was impressed with the match.)
>
>Anybody know if this was a one-shot deal or if Watts has signed
>some more young talent?
>
>First 2 Cold Scorpio, now this guy. Who's next?
>
>-- 
>Cal...                   "The worst thing that could happen is that we clamp
>                          down on the free flow of information, because that
> jewell@Data-IO.COM       should be preserved at all costs."  -- DEC Pres. 
> ...!pilchuck!jewell           Olsen on the effects of rtm's Internet worm
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From: ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall)
Subject: FMW is the greatest!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:12:30 GMT


I just rented an FMW tape from a local Japanese video store. The
bulk of the matches are fine, but not spectacular and there is
too much jawing. However, the highlight was a Dynamite Barbed-Wire
Cage match between Tarzan Goto and (who else) Onita.

I will review the tape later. (Basically I ffed most of the matches
to get to the cage.) If any wrestler can be said to be the most
macho, it is Onita. However, he oozes much more than machismo.

I am going to try to get the store to get more FMW. However, if
they can't or won't, is there anyone out on the Net than can
help. I know FMW matches appear on tapes, but is there any way to
get a collection of Onita matches?

Andrew Hall
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Re: Old AWA tape partial review
From: <WELACK@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 26 Jan 1993 07:55:42 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In article <16B608382.MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU>, MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
says:
>
>In article <C19vtG.GyB@hfglobe.intel.com>
>carlton@hfglobe.intel.com (Mark Carlton) writes:
>
>>Jimmy Garvin wrestled as "Gorgeous Jimmy Garvin" with his valet Precious
>>as a heel in the AWA and NWA for quite a while.  He turned face when
>>his brother, Ronnie Garvin(really his father-in-law) was fueding with
>>Ric Flair.
>

     I thought that Jimmy turned face when Ronnie's face was burned
     by Jim Cornette. Can anyone verify when exactly he turned face?

Bill Lack
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: Ballot-1
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:25:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 

After a LONG and exhaustive search of the tape archives, here is the
ballot for the next Rectape.  The way we will do the balloting is, after
this explanation, there will be a ballot for you to pick the top 30
matches listed that you want to see.  Then, in the following posts, I
will list the matches.  They will be broken down by tape quality.

IMPORTANT: Anyone who does not want to vote, but wants a copy of the
tape, E MAIL ME NOW.  I need to put your name on the list so that I can
notify you.

There will also be a spot where you can answer the following questions:

1) Would you like the tape to be:

 A. 6 hours in length and cost 20 US dollars.
 B. 8 hours in length and cost 25 US dollars.
 C. Make the master tape 8 hours in length so that the people who want a
    6 hour tape can get it and the the people who want an 8 hour tape
    can get that.  The price will be 20 for 6 hours and 25 for 8 hours.

I think that option C makes the most sense.

2) Are there enough matches on this ballot to call for a second tape, at
   a (much) later date?  Yes or no.

The reason for this question is for a possible future tape.
I want to know if I should leave the matches that don't make it for the
next tape.

They way the balloting will work is that it will be weighted, a first
place match gets 30 points, 2nd place gets 29, etc).  I will post this
ballot twice, once today and again next week so that as people get back
to school next week they can vote also.  The voting will go through
1\31.  Voting will end on 2\1. I will then tabulate the results and post
the final results when I make the master.  When Voting, just list the
NUMBER next to the match. If the first match on the ballot is Sid
Vicious vs Hogan, which it won't be <G>, and it is your 2nd pick, next
to "B" on the ballot, write "1".

Then I will notify people through E Mail to send their payment.  People
will be notified in the order that they send their ballot to me.  I
guess that's it.  Any questions, feel free to E mail.  Sorry for those
who are not interested in this.  I don't mean to waste space here, but
this is the only way to reach everyone.


E mail ballots to dave.scherer%acc1bbs#ssr.com
or 73750.752@compuserve.com.

BALLOT

Question answers
1)
2)

Matches
A.                     K.                    U.
B.                     L.                    V.
C.                     M.                    W.
D.                     N.                    X.
E.                     O.                    Y.
F.                     P.                    Z.
G.                     Q.                   AA.
H.                     R.                   BB.
I.                     S.                   CC.
J.                     T.                   DD.

That's all folks!
---
 . SLMR 2.0 . I don't need no stinkin' tagline
From: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.pro-wrestling
Subject: rectape ballot
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:23:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dave.scherer%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dave Scherer) 



fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp) writes:

JF>  My mail doesn't always work right, so I thought I'd post this here.
  >Dave Scherer, pleaes post those who voted for the new rectape (let's us know
  >if our vote got through).  Either that or reply when we send our votes in.
  >Just want to get my vote counted.

As of Saturday, 1\23, I have received ballots from:
Rob Gordon, Joey Richard, J. Jermani, Rob McMullen, Jeff Frazier, Joe
Fipp, Peter Stein, Quimby Corey, and Joe Wright.

If you sent it to me by Saturday, and your name is not here, mail it
again!  There should be a repost of the ballot in this message pack.
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From: fippjc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Fipp)
Subject: Re: Cages, these days...
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 22:05:10 GMT

In article <REID.93Jan27035849@dsm.dsm.fordham.edu>, reid@dsm.fordham.edu (Darin Reid) writes:
> I just can't get used to these new cages.  I remember the cage matches
> between "Chico" Santana ang "The Hammer", IMHO those were classics
> (for the IC belt).  I also miss (I haven't seen any lately) cage
> matches where the object is to be the first to the floor (either by
> door or by climbing out).  Lately all cage matches have just been
> regular matches surronded by cages.
> --

  I can deal with a cage around the ring, pin to win for the title.  I can
also deal with an "escape from the cage to win" for a NON TITLE match, but I
don't like matches for titles, where the object is to do something other than
pin your opponent or getting him to submit.

  examples: Cage match, Tito defeats Greg Valentine for the IC belt by
getting out of the cage first.

  Lex Luger regains the US belt from Stan Hansen by beating him in a lariat
match (touching all four corners of the ring, your opponent and you connected
by a lariat).

  And even: Ric Flair winning a Royal Rumble to win the WWF world title.

  What does this mean: Tito can escape from a cage faster than Greg can,
Luger can touch four corners of the ring faster han Stan can, Ric can keep
from being thrown out of the ring better than any of the other WWF stars at
that time.  Doesn't really say any of the victors are better WRESTLERS.
Ric may have had to wrestle to fend them off, but he didn't pin anyone.

  Next thing you know, it'll be shooting free throws for the title.

  Just a way I don't like bookings,
			Fippster 6
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