From: fuller@athena.cs.uga.edu (James P. H. Fuller)
Subject: just passing through on way to alt.real-men.grunt.thud ....
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:34:26 GMT


<U53644@uicvm.uic.edu>  (J. Dunphy) writes:

> The police arrive, forcibly enter her room over her protest, look
> through it without a warrant, or even the allegation of a crime - just
> an assertion from the neighbor that she wasn't nice to him. In the
> same precinct where, when she was sexually assaulted last year, she
> only got one cop who asked her if she enjoyed it, and no investigation
> or even a report, over a dozen officers have appeared, threatening
> harassment, and indicating that she'll be locked up if she talks back
> to her neighbor again (the officers are male), and that they'll
> perjure themselves in court to back each other up.

     To quote Bobby Zimmerman -- You ask why I don't live here, HONEY HOW
COME YOU DON'T MOVE!


> Sound like fun ? Reverse the genders in the above account, and you have a
> description of the last few fun packed weeks my new ex-girlfriend gave me
> (except I did leave out the phone calls she made to my parents).

    Assuming the whole saga was the sober truth, you sho' can pick 'em,
bubba.  I think you better ask Mom to set you up with a *nice* lady.


> Men are afraid to say anything negative about the opposite sex because 
> of fear of harassment 

     Cure: courage.  Also known to the vulgar as balls.


> social isolation,

     Schopenhauer: He who does not enjoy solitude will not love freedom.


> possible consequences at work sometimes,

     Courage.  AKA you-know-what.


> loss of a relationship, 

     See Schopenhauer.


> and involuntary celibacy 

     Tough.  Tie a string around it and keep your mind on your highest
desires.


> Need for affection ? That's very real - a universal human need. Unfortunately,
> society is not structured to give men much of it, 

     Only the utterest of the utterly clueless depend on capital-S Society
to provide them anything, let alone anything important.


> At some point, one has to learn to seperate affection from sexual attraction,
> and realise that they have little to do with each other.

   Mom has only been telling us this for about half a billion years....


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bard@cutter.ssd.loral.com (J H Woodyatt) writes:

> I agree with the sentiment that men who take every step available to
> them to avoid reproducing, and who make it clear to their sex partners
> that they do not wish to reproduce, are getting the Main Shaft when
> their partners ignore their reproductive wishes and choose not to
> abort an unplanned pregnancy.

     MAJOR bogosity alert.  Has anybody told you how babies are made, JH?
I can see you weren't born on a farm, bo.  A man who has sex with a woman
has not only *not* taken "every step available" to avoid reproducing, he
has in fact just taken the single *most* effective step there is to make
reproduction possible and likely.  Do you know anybody who became a father
by getting whacked on the head and having his sperm stolen by electro-
ejaculation while he was out cold?  If you do, *then* I'll talk involuntary
fatherhood.  But if you claim to be a MAN and you insist on poking the old
goober into other people's business you better repeat to yourself I AM
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OUTCOME about four thousand times.  When you've done
so not only will you have performed a respectable reality check, you'll
also have put yourself into the mood you need to be a pretty decent daddy.
    (Standard blather-avoidance: substitute "one" for "you" above if you
claim to be a woman....)
 

> However, the rules of the game are dictated to men by anatomy. 

    Nonsense.  The rules are dictated by behavior.  You don't want problems
with involuntary fatherhood?  Just keep the zipper zipped and the wick dry.


                                                  -- jf

                                    ... speaking for Ask Abby, Ask
                                    Ann, everybody's mom and a line 
                                    of no-bloody-nonsense fathers 
                                    stretching back to the Palaeolithic ...


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