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From: elr@trintex.uucp (Ed Ravin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.soc
Subject: Re: Encouraging Commuting by Bike
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:51:23 GMT
Organization: Prodigy Services Co.

In article <1992Oct7.180547.15750@igor.tamri.com> gary@igor.tamri.com (Gary Schwartz) writes:

(mention of Medtronic's wonderful bike commute incentive program deleted)

>>Mention this to your employer; you might be surprised how willing they
>>may be to provide an incentive.  It really doesn't cost the company that
>>much.
>>
>I mentioned this to my employer this morning after reading this post.  
>They are currently looking at ways to encourage employees to find
>alternative ways to get to work (that is, alternatives to the auto).

I mentioned it to the facilities manager in my company, and his eyes
lit up and he said "send me the information".  Let's have some more
examples -- I hope everyone out there will post whatever programs
their employers have in place so the rest of us can use those good
examples to persuade our employers to do the same...
-- 
Ed Ravin- elr@trintex.uucp| I like to think (and the sooner the better!)
  elr%trintex@uunet.uu.net| Of a cybernetic meadow where mammals and computers
           +1-914-993-4737| Live together in mutually programming harmony
my opinions, nobody else's| Like pure water touching clear sky.  -R. Brautigan
From: kbest@doc.novell.com (Karl Best)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Schwinn files for Chapter 11 protection
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:51:15 GMT
Organization: Novell, Inc.

In article <9943@pyrdc.UUCP> mike@pyrdc.UUCP (Mike Whitman) writes:
> The subject says it all. I heard this on the local news at 2:00 pm est in
> the Washington DC area. They also mentioned a merger but didn't say who it
                                              ^^^^^^^^

Prob'ly Huffy or Murray :-(

--
Karl Best                              Far away, across the field
Novell Tech Pubs           ...  __o    the tolling of the iron bell
Provo, Utah  801-429-3428 ..   -\<,    draws the faithful to their knees
kbest@doc.novell.com      ...(_)/(_).  to hear the softly spoken magic spell
karl_best@novell.com                      -Roger Waters, Pink Floyd
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From: gt9045a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian Minsk)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.marketplace
Subject: More tandem purchase advice needed
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:44:29 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I am the person who previously asked advice about buying a Santana Arriva.

Well, me and my wife did some looking around Atlanta and we also found a
used 1991 Burley Rock and Roll.  The asking price is $1200 and it appears as
if it has barely been used - the guy selling it says that it doesn't have over
100 miles on it.  It has a disc brake and has water bottle cages, racks, cycle 
computer etc. while the Santana, since it is new, comes bare bones.  

The price is certainly much more attractive than the Santana Arriva ($1750), I
could probably negotiate it down a bit, plus there is little else we would 
have to add to it.  The main problem is that the Burley is a mountain tandem 
while we would prefer a road tandem.  I can't deny that the Santana would be
our first choice barring the price difference.

We don't plan to use our tandem for racing - just touring.

So, again, I'd like to ask if this is a good buy.  Is there much difference 
using a mountain tandem on the road vs. a road tandem (our impression from
our short rides on each is that there is a significant difference)?  What
about the relative merits of the Burley vs. the Santana outside of the
obvious things such as componentry, price difference, etc.?

Thanks, again, in advance.

-- 
Brian Minsk
Center for Human-Machine Systems Research
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
Internet: gt9045a@prism.gatech.edu       BITNET: IMPHDAA@GITVM1
From: afdenis@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (Stephen Dennison)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: motorists
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:12:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Distribution: na
Organization: Ancient Souls Inc.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <casseres-081092103830@missmolly.apple.com>, casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes...

Yo, Dave ... do you drive ? Can you *see* the schitzophrenic side of your 
argument, painting *all* drivers with a broad brush while maintaining *your* 
status as a responsible person ? Can't you just realize that saying *all* 
cyclists are thoughtless morons is no more arrogant than saying the same 
about all drivers ? Change it to *most* drivers and *most* cyclists and the 
point still holds. 

Due to the inherent *lack* of acceleration and speed capabilites of most 
bicycles and riders, putting them on the same road as cars and *expecting* 
motorists to accept delays and frustration because `we have a right to be 
on the road too' is optimistic at best. It is *not* unreasonable for a 
motorist to expect a cyclist to be more diligent about traffic laws and 
courteous behavior than the *average* motorist, given that the cyclist's 
presence on the road has *already* placed unwanted restrictions on the 
motorist. Also, a *minor* infraction is much more likely to cost a cyclist 
his/her *life*, ergo you'd think they would have a vested interest in 
proper road etiquette.

Where I work, I have to go down a rather steep hill every morning and 
evening... I *routinely* have to take extra care to not hit wobbly cyclists 
trying to ride down the side of this washboard road on a hill *clearly* 
marked with a sign that says "Walk bicycles down hill". It's not the delay 
that bothers me ... it's not the extra care that their stupidity demands of 
me that bothers me ... it's the fact that *their* careless behavior might 
cause me to seriously injure another human being the *really* bothers me. I 
think *that* attitude is shared by *most* motorists... the jerks that 
purposly run cyclists off the road or throw things at them are more than 
likely in a minority.


>David Casseres
>Exclaimer: Wow!

-- Stephen

     Though *believing* in things often wounds the spirit, *not* believing 
     in anything will eventually kill it. Therefore, *dream* ... and accept 
     the costs as reasonable.
From: chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Seatposts that put you further back
Date: 14 Oct 1992 20:59:52 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: carnival.lbl.gov


ROBERT B. SHAIN writes:
>Does anyone know the brands, sources of curved or straight seatposts that put
>you further back on the bike?

Either Performance or Nashbar (I'm not sure which) sell something
called the "Torque Platform."  It fits onto certain types of seatpost
(SR for example) and moves the seat back.

--
Chris Moll                       (510)486-7891
---
A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature
replaces it with.        -- Tenessee Williams
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From: vv1@dgp.toronto.edu (Marc J. Ouellette)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.bicycles.racing,rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Competitive Mountain Biking
Summary: Someone needs advice on competitive mountain bike racing
Keywords: mountain biking race
Date: 11 Oct 92 18:55:37 GMT

I'm posting this for a friend, who doesn't have inter-net access, so you
can e-mail responses to me (vv1@dgp.toronto.edu) and I'll forward the advice
to her.

----
I have been competing in Women's Expert Class Mountain Bike racing during the
summer of 92.  During the summer of 1991, I cycled across Canada from Vancouver
to Thunder Bay with two friends on a fully loaded mountain bike and this summer
decided to try racing.  I went in 3 races during the season and finished up by
competing in the World Championships in Bromont, Quebec.  I placed 58th in the
world out of 81 competitors from 20 different countries.  I was pleased to have
competed and finished and my love for this sport has grown.  I want to train
more formally for next season.  I find that I'm very good at endurance and my
energy seems endless during the race.  But my muscles need help - especially
upper body.

I would like to find out as much as possible about Mountain Biking techniques
in terms of technical advice, training muscles, hill climbing?  I guess what
I really need is a coach, or someone to ride with and train with or perhaps a
club?  Maybe someone could recomment a good cycling book?
----
Thanks for any help.  - Marc
From: gcarter!gcarter (George Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Bike touring in Mendocino County, CA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 21:06:24 PDT
Distribution: ca
Organization: SFBAC

With regard to the report of Orr Springs Road (Ukiah to the coast)
being part gravel, fortunately this is only true for maybe one mile.
It would take heavy rain to make this a problem.  This is the best
route for road bikes to take from Ukiah to the coast.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: spencer@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Stephen N. Spencer)
Subject: CFC (Columbus Fall Challenge)
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:53:51 GMT

I'd be interested in feedback from anyone who participated in last weekend's
Columbus Fall Challenge, a two-day, 210-mile ride in southeastern Ohio 
sponsored by Columbus (OH) Council AYH.  

steve

-- 
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From: gary@igor.tamri.com (Gary Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Dangerous trench near Lake Tahoe
Date: 11 Oct 92 21:51:47 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

In article <67480@cup.portal.com> JForester@cup.portal.com (John - Forester) writes:
>
>           DANGEROUS TRENCH IN CAL HWY 89 NEAR LAKE TAHOE
>
>   The location is on the northbound side north of Alpine Meadows
>Road and south of the bridge across the Truckee River. There is a
>retaining wall on the right. Starting before the retaining wall and
>running for several hundred feet, a 2-inch-wide drainage slot several
>inches deep runs in the shoulder parallel to the road about 2 feet
>from the edge stripe. That is just about where one would normally
>ride. The slot has crossbars about 8" apart, but the gaps between the
>bars are still long enough grab a wheel.
>
>   Does anybody know of other accidents caused by this slot?
>
I don't know of any other accidents at this location, but I rode on that road
last weekend.  There is plenty of room along the shoulder to avoid the
slot.  The shoulder must be at least 3-4 feet wide.  It's a good idea to let
people know it's there, however.

gary

-- 
--
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Toshiba America MRI, Inc.		
280 Utah Ave					phone:	(415) 875-3483
From: jim@garland.bt.co.uk (Jim Darby)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Touring in Europe
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:24:08 GMT
Organization: Intelligent Networks, British Telecom

A friend of mine is planning to go on a cycle tour round northern Europe in a
few weeks. We're currently trying to get some information to help him on his
way. The tour is pretty much a `wondering around and see where we end up' type
with no planned route as such. However, countries almost certain to be visited
include Belgium, Holland and Denmark. Others very likely include Germany and
Switzerland.

Can anyone provide helpful information? We're looking for details such as:

	*	regulations on lights, helmets, reflective strips, insurance,
		tax disks etc.

	*	good maps, guides, routes, places to stay etc.

	*	Anything else we should know!

Many thanks for your help,

Jim Darby.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: pan@panda.Stanford.EDU (Doug Pan)
Subject: Advice sought for Bay Area easy MTB rides
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: ba
Date: 10 Oct 92 21:24:47

I'm ready to try out some easy off-road trails in the Bay Area.  Any
recommendations on trails, maps, books would be appreciated.

--Doug
From: wolf@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Tom Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: CFC (Columbus Fall Challenge)
Summary: great ride
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:07:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens


   CFC was a great ride (as usual.  Iive ridden it 10 of the last
11 years).  Good roads (ie. no traffic , great scenerry).
There are 3 food stops each day with good food (bagels,
fruit and lots more).   Sunday Breakfast at the Lafeyette
Hotel was good.   There are about 500 riders....most are 
pretty decent riders as the hills are too demanding.
The roads are hilly, heavily wooded and as said above with
little traffic.
From: davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
Subject: Re: Where to ride near Seattle
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:45:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct13.004551.10600
Distribution: pnw
Organization: University of Washington

mattf@cac.washington.edu (Matthew Freedman) writes:

>In article <1992Oct8.045446.21434@u.washington.edu>, davin@hardy.u.washington.edu (David Veale) writes:
>> 
>> I've had a mountain bike in Seattle for the last couple years, and have
>> gone on some really cool rides, but I'm interested in hearing about other
>> places that people are riding at.  Any good trails east of the mountains,
>> or in the foothills on the west side, etc?

>I can tell you where not to go -- I just went to one of my favorite
>spots this Saturday -- the 7-mile single track between Wallace Lake
>and Wallace Falls State Park, and discovered that is in the process of
>being logged. The trail is marked as closed, and according to the
>ranger, there is downed lumber all over it, making it almost
>impassable even on foot. They are actually in the process of turning
>the trail back into a logging road.

>So a beautiful 7 mile stretch of single track through one of the
>nicest second growth forests around is being turned into yet another
>logging road through a clear-cut. 

>	-- Matt

There is another way up to Wallace Lake, which isn't single track, but is
behind a locked gate so there's no cars.  Too bad about the trail route; I
always wanted to ride that way, but guess I won't be doing that anytime
soon.  For this other route, make a left from Hwy 2 onto the road to Spada
Lake (I can't remember the name, maybe someone else can)  and go a lottle
ways past some logging company on the right.  The road goes up a small
hill into a large clearcut, where there's a gated road on the right.  Off
to the east but close is a small hill.  after going past the gate, contour
around the north of the hill (following the "best" looking roads most of
the  way) and keep going until you're almost headed south.  You'll now
come to a big intersection where you need to go left and cross over a
large creek on a steel bridge.  Go left at the fork just after the bridge,
and the road will start up the hill to the lake.  You'll pass through
another clearcut (nice views) just before you get to the lake, which will
be on your left.  None of these roads are on any Green Trails map or
Forest Service map, but they might be on a USGS (doubtful).  there is also
a route up to the lake from the south along an old road, but I don't know
if it is passable, and you'd have to cross the Wallace river just above
the falls.  Please let me know if anyone has ttried this.

				-Dave
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From: pamela@keps.kodak.com (Pamela Blalock)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles
Subject: Boston-Montreal-Boston
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:56:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: keps.1992Oct13.195652.25746
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems

I posted a ride report back in August just after the split, but only
to r.b.rides, not realizing that these groups may not reach everyone
right away.

Thanks to everyone who sent congratulations. Our net access has been 
real flakey and a lot of my replies never made it anywhere. 

Anyway, I have received a few requests for copies of the article by
people who did not get the new groups and missed the article.  If
anyone else is interested, please send me email before Oct 16th and I
will send you a copy. WARNING, it's almost 20 printed pages long. It
was a long ride - it's a long article.

I will be temporarily losing net access Friday, so get your requests
in soon. We hope to be back on-line in less than one month. (Yes, I
will suffer serious withdrawal during this time!)


-- 
Pamela Blalock                                     pamela@keps.kodak.com
Kodak Electronic Printing Systems, Inc             10 down, 2 to go!
164 Lexington Road, Billerica, MA 01821-3984       BMB mixed tandem finisher!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: t-jeffwe@microsoft.com (Jeffrey Westhead)
Subject: Re: Where to ride near Seattle
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:35:45 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

Anyone know any good places for road bikes in the Seattle/Redmond area?

Jeff -- t-jeffwe@microsoft.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides
From: ferg@88open.ORG (John Ferguson)
Subject: 1993 Northern California Tour Dates?
Organization: 88open Consortium Ltd.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 16:29:52 GMT
Originator: ferg@austin

I'd like to start putting together a calendar of 1993 tours in Northern
California.  I know many of the clubs/sponsors have already announced dates.
Some of the rides I'm interested in:

Ride                 Sponsor                     Location           Date
===============================================================================
Tierra Bella         Almaden Cycle Touring Club  Gilroy             April
Primavera            Fremont Freewheelers        Fremont            April
AMBBR                ???                         Lake Tahoe         June
                     (are they even going to do this in 1993?)
Death Ride           ???                         Markleeville       July?
Banana Classic       Skyline Cycle Club          Peninsula          July?
Tour d'Garlique      Gilroy Garlic Festival      San Juan Bautista  August?
Quicksilver          Los Gatos Kiwanis           San Jose           August?
Hekaton              Valley Spokesmen            Dublin             September
Cherry City Jubilee  Cherry City Cyclists        Livermore          September
Ride Around the Bay  Monterey Alanos Club        Seaside            October
Riverbank Wine &
             Cheese  Stanislaus Bicycle Club     Riverbank          October
Davis Double Century ???                         Davis              April?
Sierra Century       ???                         ???                May
Delta Century        ???                         Rio Vista?         ???
Sequoia Century      ???                         ???                ???
M.S. 150             Benefit for M.S.            South Bay          ???
Alpine Century       ???                         Northern Sierra    ???

As you can see, I'm doing this all from my rather feeble memory of rides I
have been on and rides I've just seen notices for.  I know there are lots of
others and lots of missing/incorrect information.  So, if anyone is
associated with any of these events, or knows someone who is, please send me
information (and people to contact for more details).

I'm focusing on Northern California, mainly because I live there.  If there
is enough interest, however, I would not mind maintaining a list including
just about everything in the Western U.S.  I do, however, feel that this list
should be limited to larger (>250 rider limit), fully supported single and
multiday tours (20M, 50M, 100K, 100M, ...).

So.... send me information!  The more the better!  Act now and win a free
trip to see the Tour de France.........NOT!

Rock'n'ride,

   ferg
=============================================================================
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...!uunet!88opensi!ferg   100 Homeland Court  suite 800    FAX (408) 436-0725
ferg@88open.org           San Jose,  CA  95112

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.rides,rec.aviation.stories
From: eugene@nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Taking mountain biking to new heights (2)
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 07:32:34 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.164458.22649@peck.com> aviator@athena.mit.edu
(Joakim Karlsson) writes:
>Biker-pilots of the world, unite!  ...Joakim (getting carried away)

Nice story:
similar story:
My climbing partner Keith had received his pilot's license and he was
working on high altitude soft field landings (like Tunnel Meadow at 9K ft).
We took a joy ride to circumnavigate the Sierra Nevada in a 172 over
the course of several days.

Rising early one morning out of Bishop, CA we were shooting to reach the legal
max height in said plane at 14.5K ft.  And we happened to look down, of
all things: we saw a paved strip not on the sectional at 10-11K ft.
Keith was amazed, and he thought, "Gee if you weren't in the plane,
I'd tried landing and taking off."  Quite a site (and sight).

We thought about returning with a plane and having a standby route out in
case he blew it.  The field is a military field for mountain warfare
training of helicopter pilots.  I eventually ended up mountain biking
(it is one of the toughest rides in CA with it's elevation gain).
The measured length is .55 miles at 10K ft.  There's also a hanger, but
nothing else.  Bikes and planes make a great combo.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
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