From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.racing,rec.motorcycles.dirt,alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: rec.motorcycles.harley vote acknowledgment
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:27:19 GMT
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Aug17.202649.19552@ncsu.edu> steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier) writes:
>jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>>Now wait just a minute.  Haven't _any_ of you ever experienced the
>>variable reliability of e-mail?  Does all your mail go through in
>>an hour?  A day?  A week?  If you sent some mail in, two days later
>>saw a vote summary, and your name wasn't in it, would you resend
>>the mail to get your vote counted, or just say, "oh, well, it'll
>>count anyhow".....?  If you think that e-mail is as reliable as
>>paper mail, let me know before I go into business with you.
>>If the final vote tally counts more than one vote from a reply address
>>where the only difference is the system name (_not_ the domain name),
>>then I submit that the final tally is meaningless anyhow.  So why
>>not get off Lasz's case?
>
>That's what the vote acknowledgement is for...to ensure that the vote is
>received by the vote-taker's machine.  In Laszlo's case, both votes appeared
>in the vote ack, so he was not transmitting multiple votes because of "lost"
>email.

Well, I've only seen two or 3 vote acknowledgements, over an extended
period.  Plenty of opportunity to miss it.

>I briefly considered the possibility you put forth, and dismissed it.
>I have never had any email delay of more than one day between university
>sites and major orgs such as NASA. (Robert Ciotti's machine has a nasa.gov
>address, and Laszlo's machine is definitely a university address.)  That,

You've never worked as an SA at a university, then.  Surely somewhere
along the line you've had a mail hub or a gateway down for a period
of time?

>and the listing of the RMH vote count leads me to the conclusion that 
>cheating (or shall we euphemistically say a "lowering of ethics") permeates
>our society.  I know the outcome of that CFV is not affected by the quantity

I don't think so.  I ignored the first two vote acks; I believed I
had got around to voting.  (I started to once, but congestion on a
local network prevented the message from getting through.  When you're
running with a remote news server, and you kill a transmission, you
don't necessarily get feedback whether the transmission made it out
before the system hung.)  But quite frankly, there's so much volume
in this group I simply don't remember what all I've sent or responded to.

>If you want to know who they are, just peruse the list below, where I've
>delineated *SUSPECTED* cheats.  You might be surprised.  Some people don't
>even cheat *well*.  At least it's *FINALLY* over.  :-)

You're too paranoid.  If you have multiple accounts, the name isn't
always letter for letter the same across all systems.  Leigh Ann
changed her name, for goodness sake.  I don't think she's planning
to go through a divorce just so she can vote twice for rec.motorcycles.harley.

>And before I forget, welcome to USENET, rec.motorcycles.harley!

Oh, yeah.  Huzzah.  Let's have a party.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
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	So just where did George Bush get the idea that he gets to
			decide policy for the U.N.?
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