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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Dungeons and Dragons: It may have been nice animation, but...
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..a good representation of the GAME, it was NOT.

There are a dozen different reasons, of which I will mention a few:

The weapons.  All of the characters got magic weapons that fired limit-
less shots/had limitless uses.  Even the wizard had a magic hat.  _A
MAGIC HAT?!_  Talk about ridiculous.  That's like taking a first-level
character and giving him a magic sword +5.  On top of that, it just
does not make sense.

The "Game Master."  The Game Master does _NOT_ go around dispensing
cryptic hints to players.  He is usually not seen at all!  He's supposed
to be like God--he controls the whole shebang.  This Dungeon Master was
more like a powerful wizard than a Dungeon Master.  (Oops, just noticed
I referred to him as "Game Master" in the beginning of this paragraph.
Oh well, can't be changed.)  In addition, since the DM has "ultimate 
power" (as they called it in E.T.), he by all rights ought to be able
to open a portal home at the snap of his fingers, not force the characters
to go on silly quests all the time, that are GUARANTEED not to lead the
characters home by the very nature of the show.

The lack of violence.  This may sound slightly ridiculous, but you just
can't have Dungeons and Dragons without the slaying of monsters.  Oh,
sure, an evil wizard or two was slain at the end of every episode, or
at least decisively defeated, but were any orcs, goblins, trolls, kobolds,
etc. killed?  I don't believe very many even made an appearance.  When
the Ranger (can't remember his name) hit a monster with his bow, it would
usually just tie the monster up.

The show may have had good animation, but by its very nature it was not
a very good show.  The thing that annoyed me the most (and that always
annoys me about this kind of show) is that there's never any doubt about
how the episode will end.  In about half the episodes, the gang went on
quests that promised to show them the way back home, but you KNEW that
none of these possible escapes would come to anything, because the very
premise of the show depended upon their remaining stuck in the world.
In fact, that's a failing that many cartoons have.  The sat. morning
cartoon about the gang of dogs looking for the one dog's master (trailing
him from port to port around the world) was one of the few cartoons where 
the always-elusive goal was accomplished.

I've been going on too long.  Flame OFF>

---Chris Meadows
From: gunthar@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Batman: TAS critiques
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:06:35 GMT
Organization: Mankato State University

Overall I think the series is really great, but I still have a few questions
and criticisms of TAS.


Minor spoilers ahead.


"On Leather Wings"

Bullock and his tactical force manage to get to Phoenix Pharmacuticals in the
same amount of time that it takes Batman to cross the room.  Barricades are set
up in front of the building without Batman noticing.

How do the gas capsules Batman uses always stop with the vents facing up?

The soundwaves that the Batcomputer was displaying looked nothing like a real
soundwave display.


"Heart of Ice"

Did the guard post get hit by Freeze's ray gun so that it shattered so easily?

In the fight at the award ceremony, Batman is lifted into the air and pounds
inefectually at Freeze's shoulder.  The animation is poorly done.


"Feat of Clay" pt. 1

Matt Hagen uses the last of his reNUyu (tm) cream, looks into the jar and says
"GONE!".  But when his stunt double looks back over his shoulder, there is
still some left in the jar.

G.
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From: daf31428@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David A. Fleming)
Subject: Batman (9/7) -- what's the deal?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 23:23:50 GMT
Keywords: pre-empted

	This's one helluva way to get a series started -- they PREEMPTED
the damn thing today!!  AARGH!  Who gives a fast flyin' fardle about the
damned Cardinals?!  I wanna watch my cartoons!
	I'm ticked off.
	So, for the benefit of those who live in the central Illinois area,
could somebody give a run-down on today's episode?

				Dave Fleming
				daf31428@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu


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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Batman-- animation
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 00:18:13 GMT

In article <mumble> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:

>In article <grumble>, tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb) writes:

>>   Why are they using a different animation company for every episode of
>> Batman?
>
>That's how they manage to crank out 65 episodes on one season.  I believe
>it's 4-5 companies, we've seen each one once or twice:
>Sunrise on "The Cat and the Claw"
>Spectrum on "On Leather Wings" and "Heart of Ice"
>AKOM on "Feat of Clay, pt. I"
>TMS on "Feat of Clay, pt. II"

Well, the only episode (so far) that has had, IMO, problems with the
animation was "Feat of Clay, part one" so hopefully the other four
companies did the bulk of the series.

Of course, I also thought FoC part one has had the worst pacing so far
so maybe its not entirely the animation company's fault.



-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Cartoon Network
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 20:34:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.213719.18067@newshost.unh.edu> tcw@kepler.unh.edu (T
mothy C Webb) writes:
>  Does anyone know exactly what programs Ted Turner is planning to show 
n
>the new Cartoon Network? From the ads I've seen, it appears as if they'l
 be
>mostly humorous cartoons, rather than action/adventure, but I think he s
ould
>balance out the programming with some good action cartoons. I mean, the 
uy's
>loaded, so he should be able to buy just about any series he wants, righ
?
>
>  Some ideas:
>
>    Spiderman and His Amazing Friends
>      (or any other Marvel cartoon, like the Marvel Superheroes series
>       from the 60s)
>    Flash Gordon (Filmation)
>    G-Force (aka Battle of the Planets, Gatchaman)
>    Batman/Superman (both made in the 60s)
>    Force Five!
>
>  And since he bought out Hanna-Barbera, he should be able to show these

>
>    Jonny Quest
>    The Superfriends (ok, so this show sucks, but I wouldn't mind seeing
>       it again)
>    The Fantastic Four
>    Space Ghost
>    The Herculoids, etc...  (from H-B's World of Super Adventure) 
>
>  Some of my ideas for stuff he should buy are just wishful thinking, bu
 hey,
>why not?
>
>-- 
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>|    Tim Webb             |     tcw@kepler.unh.edu                      
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>|  "I wouldn't worry about it, Mrs. Brady. With the songs the way they a
e  |
>|   nowadays you can't hear the words well enough to understand that wha
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>|   you would have heard is something you wouldn't have understood anywa
"  |
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I heard that Turner was going to show anime (Japanese animation, as if
I need to explain after Marc's article) on the Science-Fiction Channel.
Could it be that he plans to show it on the Cartoon Network instead?
 
And Robotech, too...

---Chris Meadows

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From: stinerkt@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Kevin T Stiner)
Subject: Re: The powers of the X-Men in the Cartoon.
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:36:16 GMT


What about Nightcrawler?????????????

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From: coram@ed.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin C Coram)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation,rec.arts.anime
Subject: Re: Anime, and He May Not
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:57:51 GMT
Reply-To: coram@ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin C Coram)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

What I thought was strange about that article was that he picked on a lot of
things but never gave any real supporting details.  There was a lot of
text, with little or no substance.  What was his point?  I never did
figure it out (unless ALL he wanted to do was get us upset).

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From: tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb)
Subject: X-Men
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:51:28 GMT

  Am I correct that the X-Men animated show is only going to be once a week
on Saturday and not every day like Batman? Please say yes... I'm free on
Saturdays, so I won't have to miss any shows!

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From: tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb)
Subject: Cartoon Network
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:37:19 GMT

  Does anyone know exactly what programs Ted Turner is planning to show on
the new Cartoon Network? From the ads I've seen, it appears as if they'll be
mostly humorous cartoons, rather than action/adventure, but I think he should
balance out the programming with some good action cartoons. I mean, the guy's
loaded, so he should be able to buy just about any series he wants, right?

  Some ideas:

    Spiderman and His Amazing Friends
      (or any other Marvel cartoon, like the Marvel Superheroes series
       from the 60s)
    Flash Gordon (Filmation)
    G-Force (aka Battle of the Planets, Gatchaman)
    Batman/Superman (both made in the 60s)
    Force Five!

  And since he bought out Hanna-Barbera, he should be able to show these:

    Jonny Quest
    The Superfriends (ok, so this show sucks, but I wouldn't mind seeing
       it again)
    The Fantastic Four
    Space Ghost
    The Herculoids, etc...  (from H-B's World of Super Adventure) 

  Some of my ideas for stuff he should buy are just wishful thinking, but hey,
why not?

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|   nowadays you can't hear the words well enough to understand that what   |
|   you would have heard is something you wouldn't have understood anyway"  |
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From: cape@damien.rtp.dg.com (Chuck Cape)
Subject: Chipmunk Names
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 17:41:19 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

I have a question that has been bothering me for some time now and I am 
hoping that somebody out there knows the answer.

Everybody knows the Walt Disney chipmunks, Chip and Dale.
And we all know Theodore, Simon and Alvin.

But what were the names of the chipmunks in the Looney Tunes cartoons?
You know, the little guys that were always real polite to each other

Chipmunk 1: "Thank you, very much"
Chipmunk 2: "No, thank you", and on and on....

   and

Chipmunk 1: "Indubitably"

If you know their names, please let me know, I sure would appreciate it.

Chuck Cape
Data General, RTP NC
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Friday's "Batman"
Organization: Little Batsquids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:10:05 GMT

In <1992Sep13.185842.28049@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach) writes:

>The weirdest thing is... it wasn't a museum!  Now, can somebody explain to
>me what the "Peregrinator's Club" is supposed to be?

I assume the name is made up and not a parody of anything. My guess was that
it was supposed to be an "adventurers" club. (That would explain the temple
but not the hall of inventions.) There really is some club like this. I seem
to recall some uproar when their annual banquet included some exotic food
like zebra chops or elephant cutlets.
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From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Subject: Re: X-men roster??
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:00:20 GMT

From CBG, September 4, 1992
"The show features Wolverine, Jubilee, Storm, Cyclops, Gambit, Rogue,
Professor X, Beast, Archangel, Jean Grey, and many of the X-Men's
rogue's gallery."

A few weeks ago, I posted episode synopses for the first nine
episodes, but I seem to have deleted them from this account.  If
anyone else finds them, feel free to repost it; otherwise, I'll dig it
up from my other account.

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From: arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Re: Stupidity reigns in Denver (WRT Saturday Morning)
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 06:31:26 GMT

In article <Sep11.164948.78097@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> dzubera@CS.ColoState.EDU (Zube) writes:
> 
> KABC, the ABC affiliate out here, has decided to take two hours of 
> prime time saturday morning cartoon viewing and replace it with two
> hours of news.  But KABC is sending a mixed and very stupid message:  
> Am I the only one confused here?  Does this make any sense?
> Thanks for letting me vent my spleen.  Any comments are appreciated.

Seems to be a trend in some markets:  news wars.  The people in the know
realize that NBC's move was a stupid one, but I guess that there are lots
more stupid people out there.

But why are you complaining here?  That will accomplish nothing.  My
advice is to WRITE YOUR LOCAL AFFILIATE.  Get your voice heard.  Get
your friends to write, too, the more, the better.  If they get enough
letters complaining, chances are they'll change back to the original 
programming.
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From: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Subject: Re: Anime, and He May Not
Reply-To: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:10:54 GMT

In article <Bu0xB4.7o1@CAM.ORG> emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend) writes:
>Anime, And He May Not (or: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And
>Love My Big Purple Battle Suit)
> 
>by Marc Elias
>
>[Article deleted to save bandwidth...]

Well, after reading this, I am left with several impressions:

1) If Mr. Elias' goal was to take "a golden opportunity to annoy
    people", he certainly succeeded, judging from some of the posts
    here.  :-)

2) Many of the points that he made are valid for the genre of anime
    that he addressed.

3) The main problem I had with the article was that it took aim and
    fired at *only* that particular genre of anime (i.e. the giant
    robot/battlesuit good guy/girl vs villain genre).  Anime happens
    to consist of more than that.

    How about the comedies (e.g Sailor Moon), historical dramas 
    (Arslan), romances (Orange Road), self-parodies (Project A-ko),
    and those which defy catagorization (Urusei Yatsura)?

    ...and these are the ones I came up with off the top of my
    head!

4) Looking at the article from the perspective of someone who doesn't
    know what anime is, I would conclude that anime is even *worse*
    than what American animation gives us.  More exciting, perhaps,
    but worse overall.

    Granted that this would be a gut reaction...

5) Point taken on "anime fanatics", but as with any fringe group,
    they do not represent the vast majority of fans.


BTW, I am not familiar with "FPS"...is this directed at anime fans,
     or the general public?

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From: emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Cartoon Network
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:04:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Communications Accessibles Montreal, Quebec Canada

In article <1992Sep6.213719.18067@newshost.unh.edu> tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb) writes:
>
>  Does anyone know exactly what programs Ted Turner is planning to show on
>the new Cartoon Network? From the ads I've seen, it appears as if they'll be
>mostly humorous cartoons, rather than action/adventure, but I think he should
>balance out the programming with some good action cartoons. I mean, the guy's
>loaded, so he should be able to buy just about any series he wants, right?

Here's a message from BIX that might answer some of your questions...

[> animation/boob.tube #2100 davemackey 871 12Aug92 19:04 O=2092
Here's a more specific breakdown of the Cartoon Network programming, culled
from articles in Cable World and Electronic Media:
 
6-10 am: "Morning Crew"
10-11 am: "Tom And Jerry"
11-11:30: "Top Cat"
11:30-12: "Fantastic Max"
12-2 pm: Preschool shows
2-4 pm: "Down Wit' Droopy D"
4 pm: "Top Cat"
4:30: "Yogi's Treasure Hunt"
5-7 pm: Superhero block
7-7:30: "Jonny Quest"
7:30-8: "Back To Bedrock" (series featuring Flinstone spinoffs)
8-8:30: "The Flintstones"
8:30-9: "The Jetsons"
9-11:30: "Bugs And Daffy Tonight"
11:30-11:45: "Toon Heads"
 
Sun 10-12: "Boomerang"
 
Cartoon Network's weekend fare will be comprised mainly of series for which
not enough episodes exist to strip, including "Wait Till Your Father Gets
Home" (Sunday night at 11 p.m.) and "The Completely Mental Misadventures Of
Ed Grimley" (Sunday morning at 9 a.m.)
                                 --Dave

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From: fontana@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Fontana)
Subject: Re: TLM & BATB .Gif site.
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:42:41 GMT


>Does anybody know where I could find a FTP site that has either _The Little
>Mermaid_ or _Beauty and the Beast_ .gifs?  Post or e-mail I don't care which.


garfield.catt.ncsu.edu has a directory set aside for Little Mermaid gifs.
There are also two images of the advance poster for Beauty and the Beast
in the "movies" directory.

Mark
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From: collins_w@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Favorite episodes
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 14:02:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.133026.22126@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, bkeener@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian E. Keener) writes:
> In every cartoon, there are episodes that stand out from the rest.

Saban's Adventures of The Little Mermaid: "Hold That Thought"
		(Probably, though there are some close seconds).

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From: rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Little Nemo and Fantasia
Date: 10 Sep 1992 21:12:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


	Didn't see much traffic here about "Little Nemo", and it has
pretty much disappeared from theaters, but, for those of you who saw
it ...

	Did you notice how much the Nightmare looked like Bill Tytla's
Black God from the "Night On Bald Mountain" segment of "Fantasia"?
It was not a slavish plagiarism, but the relationship was instantly
obvious (to me, at any rate).  The animation was first-rate, really
menacing, too.
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 12:47:01 EDT
From: <CMH114@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: BATMAN IS GREAT

Yep, it is a respectable show, from the first ep. I saw, the second half of
"Feat of Clay". Really decent plot. Nice animation, competent even, which seems
to be a rarity in nonanthropamorphic shows in the US.

One problem, and it isn't even a rational point. Batman's character design. It
looks exactly like the Tick. I keep expecting him to yell "SPPPPPOOOOOON!" :)

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From: rglass@pcs.cnu.edu (Randall Glass`)
Subject: Batman: TAS comicbook
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:16:18 GMT

 To those interested, this Friday (Sept.11) the Batman:Adventures
comicbook will debut in comicstores around the country.
 This comic is based from the Batman animated series. 
 Batman Adventures #1 is from DC comics.  This issue (monthly) will
feature a story on the Penguin. Check it out.  The artwork is just
like the show.
	Randall Glass (no 'real' signature yet!)
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