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From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (Michael D. Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Klingon Language
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:15:47 GMT
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sbparker@infocom.UUCP (Stephen B Parker) writes:

>With the recent discussion on Picard/Stewart's inability to speak good
>French, I was wondering if there is any kind of Klingon-to-English
>dictionary? (Or has the language not been developed that rigorously?)

From time to time, I have seen a Klingon Dictionary appear in used bookstores,
the Sci-Fi section of "mundane" bookstores, and in the local FRP/comic store.

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From: kevin@csd-d-1.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth)
Subject: What about the men??
Originator: kevin@csd-d-1.Stanford.EDU
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:38:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.145138.5205@Virginia.EDU> qtm2w@Virginia.EDU ("Quinn T. McCord") writes:
>
>	Can someone enlighten me as to why people find Troi so
>unattractive.  Have you seen "The Price" and "Man of the
>People"?
>

     Here's an explanation: the males (and it's mostly males who write
those kinds of posts, ie. die Troi or "we hate Troi", etc ad nauseum)
who write such posts could never, *never* in a million light years
aspire to having a girlfreind half as beautiful as Deanna Troi.  They
get jealous of characters like Riker, Devonani Ral and Ensign Lucky,
and the rest is a simple matter of sour grapes.  If you can't have it,
destroy or hurt it.  Typical male thinking.  No insult to you, Quinn.
That's why I think Troi gets such a bum rap.  Her charcater doesn't
always get very good lines to say, but she makes with what she gets.
And the fault of the writing should land where it belongs.

     Next: allow me to be un-PC and *add* to the list of ST beautiful
women.  My choices would be Christie (Geordi's love interest from
"Booby Trap" and "Transfigurations", played by the lovely Julie Warner
I believe), then definitely Ensign Sonia Gomez (you're a fool,
Geordi!), then Ishara Yar without question, and then probably
K'ehleyr.  Ensign Sariel Rager definitely deserves honorable mention.

     
     ATTENTION FEMALE READERS:  I think it's about time we heard the
top list of attractive ST males from some of our female readers, don't
y'all think?  It's a little unfair to exclude them from such an
amusing thread...


					Kevin D.










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From: hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg)
Subject: Re: English as Earth's standard language in the 24th Cent.?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:52:08 GMT


Probably Chekov has never talked in Russian on the show (it is to hard
to learn Russian just for a TV show, I think) he has this terribly
Russian accent which would be enough to show, I guess, that his native
language is not English but Russian...

-Nicolas
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From: mjm4@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael J McNaughton)
Subject: Re: A guide to enjoying TNG, and a defense of Ship in a Bottle
Reply-To: mjm4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:09:19 GMT

In article <7487@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> bates@banana.ucsb.edu (Andrew M. Bates) writes:
>
>    First off, before I get to my little guideline, a quick comment about all
>off the complaining about the new episode, "Ship In A Bottle".  If everyone
>would just WATCH the damn show, and not complain about something they've never
>seen, this newsgroup would get a lot less congested.

Tell me about it. The one peeve I truly have with this newsgroup is the
amount of slamming that gets done by people before they even *see* an
episode. I don't even mind it when people hear previews about upcoming
episodes and state their apprehension. But down right slamming. Jeez!


>    So, in summary: watch the episode, and when you post back here, I expect
>a few apologies to the writers, who were tried and convicted before any of
>the evidence was seen.

>        Andy Bates, who has absolutely NO idea of what next week's episode is
>                    about, and proud of it!


I would have to agree. I remember (long ago..) when I didn't have net access
and for the *first three years* I didn't know a single thing about a
Star Trek episode until it aired. Since then, starting around.. oh... the
Wounded I think, I've been peeking at the reviews for the episodes with
the plot synoposis. 

I have found I enjoy the episodes a heck of a lot more when I didn't know
anything. So, starting last year I would igore postings for episodes I 
had not seen yet, and only read them afterwards. Quite often I think I got
more enjoyment out of Star Trek when I wasn't aware of the plot synopsis
beforehand.

That isn't to say that the reviews posted here aren't any good. I think they
point out a lot of faults with Star Trek, and provide some fairly decent
criticism of what the show's producers could do better. But I do think that
sometimes the harshness level on this group is a little unjustified when
people slam what they haven't seen.

-- 
Michael J. McNaughton				I'd rather have a bottle in
The University of Chicago			front of me, than to have
mjm4@midway.uchicago.edu			a frontal lobotomy!
From: savoia@sw.stratus.com (Rick Savoia)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Grammar (was: Re: TNG Companion)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 02:23:16 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
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In article <1993Jan25.232052.8649@choate.edu>, dsohl@spock.uucp (Daniel Sohl) writes:
> In article <4812@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
> >In article <mcook.727407595@fendahl.dev.cdx.mot.com> mcook@fendahl.dev.cdx.mot.com (Michael Cook) writes:
> 
> Gee, that's odd. I was always taught to take out the other subject (here,
> elimante the "Tim and") and then see which one works better (me or I). So, in
> this instance, that would indicate it is "me", as in "Like me, Nemecek..."
> instead of "Like I, Nemecek..." So, the sentence should be "Like Tim and me,
> Nemecek started out..."
> 
> Have I been told wrong all these years?


Not quite.  You just have to eliminate the correct part. 
Eliminating the "Tim and" works in most cases but you have
the ', Nemecek started out..' to worry about.  What you 
should do is eliminate the 'Nemecek'.  Thenit would be
"Tim and I started out...". Eliminate the "Tim and" and
you get "I started out" instead of "me started out".
So "Like Tim and I," is correct.


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From: aewright@unix.amherst.edu (Anthony E. Wright)
Subject: Re: Rating of women on ST/ST:TNG/ DS9
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 09:01:43 GMT

Daniel Skowronski (dskowron@serj.polymer.uakron.edu) wrote:
: With 10 being the sexist being to grace the screen, I rank...
		    ------

		    Sexy? What's wrong with being sexy?



					Peace,
					Anthony






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From: Denes.House@launchpad.unc.edu (Denes House)
Subject: DS9: The comet, the theme, the intro.
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:47:24 GMT

	Am I the only one who thinks this?

	Isn't the comet at the beginning designed to be reminiscent
of the comet at the beginning of TNG? Perhaps the "same" comet,
visually  tying the two shows together? I know, scientifically,
morally, and technically it doesn't work :) but, from an artist's
point of view, (and in my father's words) "It ain't half bad."

	As to the music, I personally love it. It is distinctive,
unique among television themes (won't be hearing THAT on "Home 
Improvemen") and it lends an air of beauty and dignity to an
otherwise drab and ugly space station.The previous Treks had 
beautiful, sexy ships to film, DS9 has a chariot wheel from "Ben
Hur." SIDE NOTE-- IMHO, the movie Enterprise is the most beautiful
space vessel ever designed. Should I start a "The E is sexy" list? 
:) 0- (;
   \/

	As a whole, I think the intro works. The wormhole opening
at the end is exciting, and the whole thing hangs together well.
True, it's not exactly like the other Treks. More power to it.


--Denes House  >dhouse@itsmail1.hamilton.edu<



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From: gwendoly@fraser.sfu.ca (Gwendolyne Chua)
Subject: Re: The men of Star Trek
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 05:29:22 GMT

n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge) writes:

>Tops on the Worst Column:  Do to Riker everything anyone has ever suggested
>doing to Troi.  He is the most posturing, arrogant, egotistical, self-assured 
>blowhard ever to come down the pike.  Our Saturday night Trek-watching 
>community (men and women both) cheer whenever he gets taken down a peg. 

>Tops on the BEST Column:  Jean-Luc, hands down (right on top of that sexy head,
>given half a chance).  Intelligent, diplomatic, tasteful, discriminating, 
>handsome, reserved, but not immune to (quality) feminine charms. Yeah.

Oh yeah!  Let's hear it for Jean-Luc!  =)

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From: sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: COULD KIRA BE ANY HOTTER?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 12:20 PST
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <93027.164600DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu>, <DCC117@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...
>>The only thing worse than mailing someone that kind of nonsense is for
>>the receiver to turn around and post it to thousands of other people.
>>Can't you restrain yourself enough to respect the fact that E-mail is
>>not supposed to be posted without consent?  Or are you as much of a dong
>>as the guy who sent you the mail in the first place?
> 
>  Who ever said that email notes had to be kept
>  tidy little secrets?

This is well-known netiquette.  I recommend that you read the periodic
posts in news.announce.newusers.  Mail is private correspondence.  Anyone
who wants to say something to everyone at once can just post it.  Mail
is for material that you intend only for the receiver. It seems like common
courtesy to me to respect the desire of the sender not to post what he 
could have posted in the first place if he had wanted.

-Scott
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From: jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Master, Donnie Most College of Acting, UIUC)
Subject: Re: No, But I Play A Criminal Mastermind on TV (was: Ship In A Bottle)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 02:07:05 GMT

moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:

>*Sigh*.  Well, it could be worse, I suppose.  I could be played by Larry
>again.  (No, wait, he's dead.)  Where's Alan Rickman when you *really* need
>him? 

a) Larry who?  Pardon me, I haven't had the toner to print the episode guide
   yet (Why the hell don't they sell refill toner for Personal LaserWriters?)

b) How many others agree:  Alan Rickman WOULD be a great guest-villain for TNG?
   Just try not to do "Die Hard III: Rascals, Too!" :-)

And now, back to your regularly scheduled episode of "Home Improvement"...
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From: sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Re: Cheaper Star Trek VI?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:34:15 GMT

v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu  writes:
> In article <1335@xlnt.COM>, david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes...
> >In article <93Jan20.001859.39975@acs.ucalgary.ca>, barker@eneli (Scott Barker) writes:
> >|> In article <1993Jan14.200439.28597@cs.hope.edu>, jipping@cs.hope.edu (Mike
> >|> Jipping) says:
> >|> >The STVI video is REAL expensive -- $89 or something.  Does anyone know
> >|> >if this will ever be reissued cheaper?  The others can be had for a
> >|> >cheaper price...
> >|> 
> >|> As soon as sales of the video drop, the price will be lowered. This is a
> >|> typical ploy of video companies: release the video at a hugely inflated price,
> >|> wait for the Video Rental Stores to buy it (they pretty much have to, or their
> >|> customers will be unhappy), and wait for the die hard video collectors to buy
> >|> it. Once the video sales go down, the company knows that they have sold the
> >|> overpriced version to as many people as they can, and they lower the price
> >|> shortly afterwards, usually in time for a holiday.
> > 
> >I see nothing wrong with that.  That is our free market system at work.
> >It is not like you owning a particular video is necessary for life.
> >I only object to such practices for things which people must either buy
> >or die.
> 
>      Of course, you could just tape it off HBO this month... or would
>      that be too easy?  [Either way, both the video and cable prints
>      include those precious extra few minutes that should have been
>      left on the cutting room floor].
> 
>      Scott Gorcey

Or, if you're lucky enough to own a player, you could buy the
LD edition, which is letterboxed...

And why, Scott, do you say those extra two minutes (or three,
depending on which blurb you believe, the VHS box or the LD
sleeve) should have been left out? I rather enjoyed them...

Steve
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From: chemsoc@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:16:04 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1993Jan22.223907.23264@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com>, jackson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (Jeff Jackson) writes:
> 
>   In the spirit of the "Best Episode / Worst Episode" series currently
>   running, here are my candidates for the funniest scenes in TNG episodes
>   (awarded Olympic-style).
> 
> 
>   Bronze:  To Data, for the scene in the 'Troi gets hitched' episode (Haven?)
> 
>            That entire dinner scene was wonderfully set up for comic tension,
>            with the butler incessantly ringing the gong, the tension already
>            apparent between the two sets of parents, and Data "circling the
>            room like a buzzard" in Picard's words.
>            And Data's "Would you please continue the petty bickering?  I
>            find it most intriguing" has to be one of the best deadpan lines
>            ever on TNG.
> 
> 
>   Silver:  To Picard, for his ode to Lwaxana in the episode where she and
>            Riker are kidnapped by the Ferengi.  It was great to see his
>            wonderful Shakespearean acting talent mixed in with an obvious
>            discomfort, but understanding the need to get her back,
> 
> 
>   But far and away, this one takes the gold:
> 
>   Gold:  To Q, "True-Q" -- Q, in his own special way, lets us know what
>          he thinks of Dr. Crusher without annoying the censors.
> 
>          It was funniest the first time because it was so unexpected.  If
>          I hadn't already been lying down, I'd have been on the floor. 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>           "<woof woof woof> (flash) and you stay out of mine."
>    - JWJ  "Well, when you put it like that, I think you're absolutely right."
>                 - Beverly (the Setter) Crusher and Q, "True Q"

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

What about Riker in "First Contact" after his scene with Lanel (played by
Bebe Newirth - Lilith from Cheers). She asks if she'll ever see him again 
and he answers, "I'll call you the next time I'm in your star system."
I liked that scene more than Picard's from "Menage a Troi".

Al
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From: kennyy@microsoft.com (Kenny Young)
Subject: Re: DS9: Past Prologue - Garak (NO SPOILERS)
Date: 23 Jan 93 03:39:05 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

well, we have our first ds9/la law crossover.
the guy who played garak played guy with
multiple personalities, one of which was
the aunt of the other personalities who
killed her "nephews" to save them.

dana
kennyy@microsoft.com
From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: MOST OVERRATED EPISODE?
Keywords: most
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:38:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan22.003228.6182@leland.Stanford.EDU>, trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao) writes...
>In article <C17pEx.2oC@acsu.buffalo.edu> v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan21.085555.24567@koko.csustan.edu>, msmith@koko.csustan.edu (Marlan Smith) writes...
>How do you know that more intelligent and powerful races could not beat
>the Borg.  Have there been any examples of this on the show?  To my knowledge,
>the E has only encountered a few races that are more powerful (i.e. Q, the 
>"God" in *Paradise*, the aliens in "Darmok").  I'm sure that, faced with a 
>similar situation, even the Romulans, who are considered on par with the Feds,
>would come up with something equally ingenious.  That goes for the "more
>powerful" races as well.

I was basing my deduction from the way Guinan talked, and what she had said.
Her race was indeed more powerful the the Federation.  I base this on the
fact that Q will not directly mess with her.  

>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that they acknowledged this in
>the show (the fact that Hugh would be re-assimilated).  What they were hoping
>was that, since every Borg experiences the memories of every other Borg, at 
>the moment of assimilation, Hugh's experience with the E and his feeling of
>identity would be felt by the entire Borg community, even if only for an
>instant.

In the long run, what good is it if they only feel it for an instant.  Don't
they get this feeling when a being becomes a Borg.  They have the feeling of
individualism, then to be taken over a millisecond later.  I hate it when
a writer tries to show that you can always have hope.  It may be the strongest
power for the Human race, but even hope can go so far.  Reality should have
sunk into their heads.  It would be all nice and cheerful if the Borg were
persuaded to be less militaristic, but there are groups who will not give in
to other people's values.  I believe the Borg is such an example.  Only a
mental virus of some sort, or Q having some fun, could change what they are,
as a whole.

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From: mwyner@css.itd.umich.edu (Michelle Wyner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG's FUNNIEST MOMENTS
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:21:19 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan - ITD Consulting and Support
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My funniest was in Rascals when Riker was explaining to the Ferengi
how to use the Enterprise computer.
From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Clones
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:43:36 GMT
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine

In article <1993Jan25.193516.13087@Princeton.EDU> hjanberg@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Hans-nicolas Kenneth Janberg) writes:
>>From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
>
>>In the recent DS9 episode "A Man Alone", or something like that,
>>Sisko and Odo allow the villian's clone to live.  Why?  What would
>>prevent this clone (or, rather, save him) from doing the same thing
>>his original did?
>
>Who says that criminal tendencies are implanted in one's DNA?
>Just that he is a clone doesn't mean he has the same character...
>In fact, he shouldn't have a character at all, since he doesn't have any
>experience or knowledge. Just like a newborn.
>
>-Nicolas

STTNG basically assumed that cloning would reproduce enough recent memories
to fool Odo into thinking the clone was the original criminal.  Otherwise,
the clone wouldn't have recognize Odo at all.  Whether or not LTM is stored
in RNA sequences that would be cloned is besides the question (I certainly
don't know, but it seems pretty far-fetched to me).  Given the STTNG
assumption, doesn't it seem reasonable that the clone would be just as
deviant as the original?  DS9's keeping the clone seemed like a not-so-
subtle pro-life sentiment.

Dan 
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From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: I completely ag(RE)e
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:50:42 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.225659.8934@henson.cc.wwu.edu>  
n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge) writes:
> In article <DsJuXB1w165w@infopls.chi.il.us> honeydew@infopls.chi.il.us  
(David Cohen) writes:
> >I think this has been said before, but just glancing at the subject list, 
> >the problem seems to be worsening.  There is very little point in 
> >prefacing every single subject with "Re:."  
> 
> On the other hand, it makes going through the list very quick: I read  
NOTHING
> with RE in the Subject line.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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