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Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: PC Kermit updates and info
From: rigby_jones@darwin.ntu.edu.au (E William Rigby-Jones)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 06:50:11 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Northern Territory University

In article <BRIAN.92Dec4105618@dsm.dsm.fordham.edu> brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing) writes:

>>   One Stop Shopping:
>>   To save yourself gathering all the MS-Kermit 3.12 files I suggest you
>>   anonymously FTP to WATSUN.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU, issue BINARY, and
>>   GET /KERMIT/BIN/MSVIBM.ZIP
>>   This contains everyting you'll need, plus all the announcement and
>>   hints files (e.g. MSKERM.ANN, MSKERM.BWR, MSVIBM.HLP), and the
>>   very nice Columbia dialer script, MSIHAY.SCR.

> Please note case sensitivity. Host watsun is a Unix machine so you'll
> want to get /kermit/bin/msvibm.zip NOT /KERMIT/BIN/MSVIBM.ZIP
>--

> Brian...

> brian downing@->fordham university, nyc ny
>         brian@dsm.fordham.edu       bdowning@mary.fordham.edu

Just as an aside - does anyone know where I can get Kermit for the IBM MVS?

WILL

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Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
From: pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Subject: SLIP To Internet From MS-DOS
Organization: The College On The Other Side Of Route One
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:05:32 GMT


Hi. I'm looking to start a discussion group of MS-DOS (or Windows 3.x)
users who use SLIP over a dial-up line to connect to the Internet. Seems
to me that we could share knowledge about software and setups, etc.

Please send email if you're interested in participating. If there are
enough of us, I'll try to set up alt.slip.ms-dos.

Pete
---
Prof. Peter J. Holsberg      Mercer County Community College
Voice: 609-586-4800          Engineering Technology, Computers and Math
FAX: 609-586-6944            1200 Old Trenton Road, Trenton, NJ 08690
Internet: pjh@mccc.edu       Trenton Computer Festival: April 17-18, 1993
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:19:05 EST
From: Thomas J Cozzolino <RBNTJC@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Industry Use of Internet?

Folks,

Our company is in the process of gathering information on Internet
usage by other companies, especially other chemical companies.

o  Is anyone willing to share their experiences, successes, and
   usage patterns regarding the Internet?

o  What are the value-added benefits of using the Internet for
   your Research and Business?

o  What are the biggest challenges facing you, the providers of
   Internet services?

o  How difficult has it been to change your particular corporate or
   Information Technology / Information Services cultures to embrace
   this "brave new world" view?

Any and all help is appreciated.  I will post a summary if there is
interest.  Also, if I should post this to other newsgroups, that
information is also much appreciated.

Thanks for reading.  Please reply directly if possible, or to this
newsgroup of you prefer.
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|   Thomas J. Cozzolino - Rohm and Haas Co.   =
|   InterNet:    tcozz@rohmhaas.com            =
|                                               =
|     Internet Access for Everyone..             =
|         Isn't it time?                          =
|                                                  =
|   - Opinions expressed are my own, not            =
|     necessarily those of Rohm and Haas Company     =
+=====================================================+
From: sean@cobra.dra.com
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: Looking for literature from US library of congress
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:13:28 CST
Followup-To: alt.internet.services
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data Research Associates, Inc.

In article <1992Dec10.033754.8708@u.washington.edu>, dsmith@stein.u.washington.edu (Dorothy Smith) writes:
> Dra.com is an online catalog vendor which makes the USMARC database
> available through their catalog interface.  This database is a portion of
> Library of Congress data only and contains records for books cataloged
> by the Library of Congress.  The database is designed primarily for
> libraries to use for cataloging and acquisition of new books or for
> verifying bibliographic information.  Many Internet resources list this
> address but don't really have a clue as to what it is.

Libraries may not use DRA.COM for cataloging purposes.  If your library
would like to use it for this purpose please contact the Data Research
sales department for a price quote.  They can be reached at
sales@dranet.dra.com, or by phone 1-800-325-0888 (314-432-1100).

Your cooperation is appreciated so we can continue to make this service
available to researchers on the Internet.  The Internet Resource Guide
published by the NSFNET Network Service Center is the only group to
which I contribute updated descriptions of the service.  Mainly because
of the sheer numbers of resource lists that come and go, I have decided
to only try to update NNSC's IRG.  Other list makers should include a
pointer to the description published there.  

For a description of the contents of the database, you should contact
the Library of Congress Cataloging Distribution Service and ask for
an explanation of their Books All, Serials, Maps, Music, and Visual
Material files.  A copy of the LC/CDS brochures should also be available
at many Government Depository Libraries.
-- 
Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO
Domain: sean@sdg.dra.com, Voice: (Work) +1 314-432-1100
From: davehyde@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: FTP: UNIX-Mac
Date: 11 Dec 1992 12:44:56 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I'm at wits end.  Is there any way to take a Unix-compressed file that's been
FTP'd to a Mac (or IBM) and read it?  I don't have access to any sort of Unix
machine.  Any help appreciated.

Dave Hyde
davehyde@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil
From: ekaftan@tolten.puc.cl (ekaftan)
Subject: Hotels in Internet..
Organization: Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:22:18 GMT

	Hello,

	I'm posting this because I wan't to know if there are any hotels
connected to the internet, and of course, any travel agencies or
similar services related to hotels and restaurants. Please e-mail me to
one of the addreses below if you can help me.

	Thank you in advance.



--

Eduardo Kaftanski

ekaftan@tolten.puc.cl
ekaftan@ing.puc.cl

Disc: This has NOTHING to do with the Pontificia Universidad Catolica de
Chile. It's strictly my survey.
From: visbieda@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christopher Bieda)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: HELP : question on MCI Mail.
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:45:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <9986@cimshop.UUCP>, nkumar@HP-UX (Niranjan Kumar) writes...

>	I have a small question on MCI mail. You guys might know that like 
>	the various messaging networks, this too is one more. I recently 
>	came across a person with whom I wanted to correspond by e-mail. And
>	I have a problem in that connection
> 
>	His MCI id. is 5379824 and the user is Larsen. This is quite different
>	from the way it is on internet or uunet etc. How do I address my mail
>	to him? Firstly can I send any mail to him? I expect there would be
>	some kind of gateway to that network so how do I do it?

All MCI Mail addresses can be reached as the Internet address <id>@mcimail.com;
hence your correspondent is at the other end of 5379824@mcimail.com.  Notably,
though MCI Mail has had a gateway for passing mail to the Internet since I can
recall (I've had an MCI Mail account since 1988), it was only earlier this
month (or late last) that OnMail, the MCI Mail electronic newsletter, announced
its formal and final availability.  While I generally applaud solid beta
testing, it seems that four years was on the high side of caution.  <G>
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: Re: What is the meaning of LAT?
From: erkamp@janus (Bob Erkamp)
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:15:38 MDT
Reply-To: erkamp@janus
Organization: Alberta Research Council

In article <0096505C.70B93E40@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 5247cuid@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
>
>Dear netters:
>
>	What is the meaning of LAT and what is it used for and how is it 
>implemented?
>

From "The Digital Dictionary" (Digital Equipment Corp.)

LAT

The abbreviation for local area transport; LAT is a communications protocl used 
in a local area network.

<end>

We use it here in our VMS cluster for internode communications over ethernet 
primarily for terminal servers.

Bob
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: ah017@yfn.ysu.edu (John B. Lee)
Subject: FREE access in 513 (cincinnati ) area code
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:39:34 GMT


does anyone know of any free Unix boards in the 513 area code?

John Lee
-- 
John Lee		|Internet usr7245a@tso.uc.edu
Programmer/Genius       |         ah017@yfn.ysu.edu
President of Simplisic Software
From: cm827@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gary Miles)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
Subject: Seeking internet (or telnet) accessing Chicago (708 preferred)
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:34:02 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I am looking for an inexpensive dial up for internet or telnet access
in 708 or alternatively 312.

Thanks for your suggestions
-- 
Gary Miles
Strategic Thinking and Investments
email: stigmiles@mcimail.com
Palo Alto, California
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Delphi (Was: Re: internet/compuserve)
Followup-To: alt.internet.access.wanted
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:09:04 GMT


Note that the Delphi info service, a competitor of Compuserve, offers 
Internet access relatively inexpensively.  I don't know the whole scope of
the costs - but call them (there's an 800 sign up number which advertises in
Computer Shopper apparently).  Apparently the cost is something like
$20 a month for 20 hrs online time, plus $3 a month for internet.  This
from a person who has an account, but didn't have all the facts and figures
handy.
-- 
Larry W. Virden                 UUCP: osu-cis!chemabs!lvirden
Same Mbox: BITNET: lvirden@cas  INET: lvirden@cas.org
Personal: 674 Falls Place,   Reynoldsburg, OH 43068-1614
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
Subject: Re: Does anyone ever get any responses to these posti
From: rharwood@east.pima.edu
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:49:26 MST

In article <1992Dec15.091646.18510@husc3.harvard.edu>,
kmichels@husc8.harvard.edu (Kenneth Michelson) writes:

> In article <1992Dec15.022424.25866@penet.fi> an113@anon.penet.fi writes:

>>I'm sorry, but I keep seeing these "Free Internet/Telnet access wanted in..."
>>postings (I've made some myself), and I was just wondering...
>>Has anyone ever ottent free offers of access by posting? The only replies
>>I have ever got are from commercial providers, or from people who don't
>>understand the difference between an Internet link and a uucp link.

> Well, I sure haven't.  I did get those advertisements though. 

The reason may be partly because InterNet access is only "free" to
educational/research institutions.  Anyone at xyz.com is PAYING for access to
Internet, and like most businesses, they have to charge money to recover their
costs.  UUCP is another thing, though... and I'm NOT familiar enough with UUCP
to "compare and contrast" with Internet.

Ray
-----
Ray Harwood           |Data Basix           |Adjunct Faculty, East Campus,
Voice: (602)721-1988  |PO Box 18324         |   Pima Community College
FAX:   (602)721-7240  |Tucson, AZ 85731     |Instructor in Ada and Pascal
CompuServe: 76645,1370|AppleLink: DATA.BASIX|Internet: rharwood@east.pima.edu
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: ray@rgm.com (Ray Mendonsa)
Subject: Re: Does anyone ever get any responses to these postings?
Organization: RGM *nix - Sacramento, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:11:34 GMT

an113@anon.penet.fi writes:

>I'm sorry, but I keep seeing these "Free Internet/Telnet access wanted in..."
>postings (I've made some myself), and I was just wondering...
>Has anyone ever ottent free offers of access by posting? The only replies
>I have ever got are from commercial providers, or from people who don't
>understand the difference between an Internet link and a uucp link.

The reason we respond with UUCP system info is because we understand that
there are no free internet systems available for 99% of the world.  I
usually imagine that people looking for free access aren't that picky.

Good luck.
-- 
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|916/923-5013 8n1,HST  |  login: new  |  Public access Usenet
|The next thing I say to you will be true
|The last thing I said was false. - DEVO
From: kmichels@husc8.harvard.edu (Kenneth Michelson)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
Subject: Re: Does anyone ever get any responses to these posti
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:16:45 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Dec15.022424.25866@penet.fi> an113@anon.penet.fi writes:
>I'm sorry, but I keep seeing these "Free Internet/Telnet access wanted in..."
>postings (I've made some myself), and I was just wondering...
>Has anyone ever ottent free offers of access by posting? The only replies
>I have ever got are from commercial providers, or from people who don't
>understand the difference between an Internet link and a uucp link.
>
>Just curious...
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Well, I sure haven't.  I did get those advertisements though. 

-Still looking for access in So.Central PA
Ken
From: seth@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Zippy)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
Subject: CAYMAN ISLANDS (BWI)?
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:19:44 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I have a friend in the Cayman Islands (British West Indies) who
is looking for an e-mail service.  Do any exist (yet)?

Thanks,

Seth.

Seth Bromberger					seth@gradient.cis.upenn.edu
M.S.E. '93, University of Pennsylvania	  	seth@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: gregg@dixie.com (Victor Scott Gregg)
Subject: Re: internet/compuserve
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 19:42:22 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
Distribution: na

wilson@binah.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>> I have a friend in VT. who will be starting up on Compuserve 
>> and wishes to have Internet access as well. 
>> Does Compuserve itself offer such access?

CompuServe ONLY offers an e-mail gateway to the internet:

For example mail to user 1234,56789 on CIS would be addressed as:

1234.56789@compuserve.com

Warning, you pay for sent and received internet messages on Compuserve,
and that can add up pretty quick if you plan to send receive more that 
about two messages per day.


Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: hoodr@netcom.com (Robert Hood)
Subject: Re: Wanted: the usual in SF, LA, Boston, Fukuoka
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:08:19 GMT

In article <8952@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> yee@edison.seas.ucla.edu (John Yee) writes:
>A recent thread suggests that the responses to the ads in this group
>are sometimes advertisements from companies in the business of providing
>Internet service sent to the poster by email.  If such is the case,
>then send me some ads.  I am interested in linking up friends in 
>San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston and one in Fukuoka prefecture, near
>the city by that name, in Japan too.  

Netcom has access points for San Francisco and LA.   For more infomation,
login to our guest account.  It will explain our services and costs.


 To access the guest account, make sure that your communication settings
 are 8-1-N and use VT100 for a terminal emulator.  After you connect, 
 log in as "guest".  Remember, you must use lower case letters and you
 will not be asked for a password.  You can also log in via telnet by using
 netcom.netcom.com or an IP address of 192.100.81.100.  The following are
 a few of the local access 1200/2400/9600 V.32/V.42 numbers:

 San Diego, El Cajon, La Jolla, La Mesa, Linda Vista,
 Mira Mesa ......................................... (619) 234-0524

 Los Angeles, Inglewood, Beverly Hills, El Segundo, Santa Monica,
 Manhattan Beach, Van Nuys and Culver City...........(310) 842-8835

 San Francisco, Berkeley, Oakland, Albany, Richmond, Alameda,
 Piedmont, Belvedere, Orinda, Moraga, San Pablo, Lafayette,          
 Emeryville and Brisbane.............................(510) 865-9004
 
 San Jose, Campbell, Almaden, Cupertino, Los Gatos, Saratoga, 
 Sunnyvale, Santa Clara and Milpitas.................(408) 241-9760

 Stanford, Mountain View, Los Altos, Menlo Park, Palo Alto, 
 and Redwood City....................................(415) 328-9940

 Pleasanton, Fremont, Hayward, Livermore, Bishop, San Ramon, 
 Dublin, Newark, Danville, Sunol and Bishop Ranch....(510) 426-6860

 Santa Cruz, Scotts Valley ..........................(408) 459-9851 

 Voice...(408) 554-UNIX		Fax...(408) 241-9145
-- 
    Robert Hood             hoodr@netcom.com             (408) 554-UNIX
  System/Network Administrator for Netcom On-line Communications Services
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: kwolf@sage.cc.purdue.edu (The Wolf)
Subject: CompuServe or other access to internet
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:37:17 GMT

I live in New Paris, Indiana(north-central). I will be going home on
vacation and would like to have internet access. I have an account
with CompuServe and was wondering if it would be possible to telnet
to my account on the internet. If CompuServe does not have this ability
are there any other business like it that can? If neither is there a
local access number in my area where I can access internet? Thanx for
any help.

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KW                                 Of course this land is dangerous!
Purdue University                  All of the animals are capably
kwolf@sage.cc.purdue.edu           murderous.           -P.F.
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KW                                 Of course this land is dangerous!
Purdue University                  All of the animals are capably
kwolf@sage.cc.purdue.edu           murderous.           -P.F.
From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
Subject: Re: Does anyone ever get any responses to these postings?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 02:04:44 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Dale R. Worley (drw@euclid.mit.edu) wrote:

: Is there even a compendium of the commercial providers?  If they're
: cheap enough (how cheap is cheap enough?), they might be useful to
: many people here.

There's a PDIAL list that goes out monthly, plus lists of IP providers
in the back of Tracey Laquey's _Internet Companion_ and in Ed Krol's
_Whole Internet_.

  Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv@Msen.com
        Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI  48103 +1 313 998 GLOB

Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: cjc@kranac.com (Chris Clark)
Subject: WANTED: News feed in 301 area code (MD)
Reply-To: cjc@kranac.com
Organization: Kranac Computing Corp.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:04:31 GMT


Can I piggy off you? I don't want any of the high-volume groups.

Chris
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu (Edward J. Hartnett)
Subject: I need internet access in the 703 area code (Falls Church VA)
Organization: CIRES, University of Colorado
Date: 11 Dec 92 11:39:44


Can anyone help me? Subject says it all. Money is no object!
--
	Don't blame me, I voted against Amendment 2!

Edward Hartnett				ejh@khonshu.colorado.edu

Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: hagbard@gagme.chi.il.us (Brian W. Dunn)
Subject: Houston TX internet request
Originator: hagbard@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:22:20 GMT

I'm looking for internet access in the Houston TX area.
Thanks.

-- 
If you did it and lived, then you probably did it right.
-hagbard@gagme.chi.il.us-
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: taaustin@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Address to Tehran, Iran?
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:19:21 GMT

Hello,
 
I am helping a friend who is trying to find the net address for
the university in Tehran, Iran.  He is from Iran and is trying to
establish a link home. 
 
Any help that can be provided will be greatly appreciated.
 
Please reply via e-mail or post  here (e-mail prefered)
 
Thanks
 
Terry A. Austin
University of North Texas
Dept of Biological Sciences
Denton, TX
 
taaustin@vaxb.acs.unt.edu

Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: Does anyone ever get any responses to these postings?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:39:13 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

an113@anon.penet.fi writes:

>I'm sorry, but I keep seeing these "Free Internet/Telnet access wanted in..."
>postings (I've made some myself), and I was just wondering...
>Has anyone ever ottent free offers of access by posting? The only replies
>I have ever got are from commercial providers, or from people who don't
>understand the difference between an Internet link and a uucp link.

That's because free Internet access is generally not available.  Pay
access is often available, however, sometimes at reasonable rates.

-- 
#ifdef TRUE        | Fuzzy Fox (a.k.a. David DeSimone)       fuzzy@netcom.com
#define  TRUE   0  |
#define  FALSE  1  |  "You have been recruited by the Star League to defend
#endif             |     the Frontier against Xur and the Kodan Armada."
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
From: dx3@ornl.gov (C. H. Decker)
Subject: Help! What kinds of access?
Organization: Martin Marietta Energy Systems
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:35:16 GMT

Help! I have a friend of mine who wants "full" internet access and asked 
if I would post a message for him.  Can someone please explain the different 
types of access and how to get each type?  Thanks!
From: bl294@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anish Kumar)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted
Subject: Looking for FREE (or inexpensive) internet site in Phila (215)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 15:10:01 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bl294@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anish Kumar)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I am looking for a free or very inexpensive internet site (or bbs) with
telnet and ftp facility - or even a site with e-mail, usenet and ftp
(may not have allow telnet) in the 215 area (Philadelphia).  I don't use
this facility for business and can't pay large sums of money for it.  I
guess I am looking for something like NYX at Denver U.

Will appreciate any help/info.

Thanks
-- 
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e-mail: anish.kumar@bbs.oit.unc.edu  
        bl294@freenet.cwru.edu
Newsgroups: alt.internet.access.wanted