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From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: A3000 is not dead, dammit
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 04:07:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct17.023617.14410@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

[OS/2]

>	Sure, it may not be selling as well as windows, but 1.7 million
>    copies sold in 7 months is not exactly chopped liver.

It is when you've reportedly invested 8 billion dollars in it :). With
Microsoft, it's more a matter of the tyranny of numbers. It should be
interesting to see how well their sound boards do.
From: ralph@bugend.edvina.se (Staffan Vilcans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Documentation for A(G)A?!? THE SOLUTION!!!
Date: 15 Oct 92 10:40:11 GMT
Organization: Bugend BBS

Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:

> I heard an employee at a software store say, "I HATE THE AMIGA!  SOMEONE
> BUYS A GAME AND IT DOESN'T RUN ON THEIR MACHINE AND THEY TAKE IT BACK!!!!!"
> Yeah, well, while most people here in the bitstream know the reason for
> that is cheapass cowboy programmers banging directly on the hardware and
> testing only on their little circle of beta tester friends on a particular
> model of Euromachine, what the store employee owners know is they've got
> merchandise that has gone out and come back, and an irritated
> customer.......   

Another reason for this is that a customer may
1) Buy a game
2) Go home and copy it
3) Leave it back and say it didn't work
4) Get money back and go on to 1).

And quite frankly, an action game *has* to get to the bare metal or 
else it won't get fast enough.

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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Flame against Amiga software writers
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:02:26 GMT

In <92289.015953MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Norman St. John Polevaulter <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>ARRRRRGH! So do they trust us LESS than PClone users? When piracy in the
>PClone world is nearly five times as bad as in the Amiga world? It makes
>you want to start heaving bricks through people's windows.

It isn't a matter of trust. It is a matter of acceptance and a matter of
weather you can make profit without protection. With so many clone users
pirating is probably not a problem.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
From: jh@cadre.com (Joe Hartley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: How to put Marc Barrett in your KILL file
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:14:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: fripp.1992Oct8.131404.15268
Reply-To: jh@cadre.com
Organization: Cadre Technologies, Inc.

Thanks for the reminder, Udo.  After reading what may be his most inane
post yet (regarding his one-man boycott of the 4000), your post reminded
me that I, in fact, never have to see his drek again.

No smileys here, either!

It's a good thing that no one pays him any attention anymore.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: A40000 in stores by October 7
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not neccessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 18:40:21 GMT

In article <92277.023946MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Norman St. John Polevaulter <MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>>              7.  OS is standard BLAZEMONGER style, offering the popular
>>                  multitasking AI interface.  Yes, your Amiga may now
>>                  get into fights with itself.  Watch in amazement as
>>                  your C= 19600 monitor gets a black eye-- I mean, screen!
>
>This is nothing new. Why, in the MS-DOS world, programs have been stepping
>on each other's memory space since the 20th century!

Ha.  What a pencil-neck.  You know darned well that BS/2001 (BlazeMonger System
2001) has ABSOLUTE MEMORY PROTECTION!  Any program daring to step outside its
allocated space is INSTANTLY BLOWN TO SMITHEREENS!!


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: laire@uni-paderborn.de (Ralph Schmidt)
Subject: Re: A4000 is kinda UGLY !!!
Organization: Uni-GH Paderborn
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 18:58:30 GMT

chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:

>mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) writes:
>>
>> Got my copy of Amiga World today. Well I have to admit this, the A4000
>> thats on the cover looks like no computer I have ever seen. Its the ugliest
>> of them all. Hell it even has a keyboard lock right in the middle of it, yuck 
>> Hell its a big SQUARE BOX, no innovative design that we Amigans are used to.
>> How many people share my disappointment ?

>Funny, i thought it looked ugly from the pictures as well.  However, when i
>saw it in person at one of our local dealers, the pictures didn't do it
>justice.

>It's *NOT* big.  it's maybe a half inch wider than the 3000, about the same
>height, about the same depth.. it really doesn't look that bad in person.

The right word is cheap...not ugly as many people say.(IMHO)

P.S. I own one..

Regards...
-- 
Ralph Schmidt                                            laire@uni-paderborn.de
University of Paderborn (Germany)
From: bill@src4src.linet.org (Bill Lanides)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Struggling trickle-down-economy victim needs free A4000! HELP!
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:48:34 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source Pub Access Unix

In article <music.718640389@batman> music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller) writes:
>Help me! I'm a poor victim of Reganomics and Bush-think who
>desperately wants a shiny new A4000 to begin Virtual Reality R&D. My
>goal is to create a VE/VBB (Virtual Economy w/Virtual Balanced Budget),
>eventually leading a VPS (Virtual Perfect Society) where everyone will
>be able to dress in their "Sunshine Suits (tm)" which will allow each
>and every individual to live within his/her own self-described
>virtual universe (or part thereof). But to make this dream become a
>virtual reality I need that VERY REAL A4000 desperately! Please send
>all contributions to hellerS@moravian.edu A.S.A.P.
>
>		Thanks for your support!
>
>"In a virtual world, who will have virtue?"
>
>
>-- 
>*-------------------------------------------------------------------------*
>#   export meaning_of_life=$(eval 'grep -i truth mind_of_god | sort -u')  #
># Work: music@moravian.edu  <#!AMIGA!#>  Home: moravian.edu!vortex!lothar #
>*-------------------------------------------------------------------------*

No one wants to know or cares to know your political views.
You want an A4000?  Great but keep political nonsense out of advocacy.

-- 

      -Bill Lanides-        |  Tracing the lines that god drew...
 -bill@src4src.linet.org-   |  ...all the way back!
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: COMMODORE - HERE'S A CLUE
Date: 8 Oct 92 03:44:47 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Oct5.180757.1@cc.helsinki.fi> jalkio@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
> In article <OA92-901-306p1_88E8203B@piraya.bad.se>, Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren) writes:
> > 
> >  GR> Not even Atari was dumb enough to try and create a custom chip that
> >  GR> did 16-bit audio, the job is much better given to a DSP to handle.
> > 
> > It's NOT! Suppose you want the DSP to do other stuff, like voice recognition,
> > image enhancing, or 3D graphics, or any other of that nice stuff a DSP can do,
> > why waste bandwidth on such a simple task as outputting audio?
> 
> Hey! As far as I have understood, the DSP is NOT needed for Audio output
> (even 16-bit stereo, or maybe 8-channels). There is a special
> audio-matrix-subsystem for that. You use the DSP, if you want some
> realtime audio processing.

From the description of the "audio matrix" it sounds like some analog multiplexing
of the audio signals.  This suggests that you can combine the DSP and the other
on-board noisemakers in various clever ways, but the DSP is probably the only on
that can generate 16-bit audio.

It could be something better, but don't assume that something nice sounding
like and audio-maxtrix-subsystem offers more than offered by the basic on-board
resources.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: spz@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (S.P.Zeidler)
Subject: Colour your Amiga, was Re: A4000 is kinda UGLY !!!
Keywords: knallbunt, ey mann ey :-)
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:01:57 GMT

Hi,

one question: is there any reason not to treat a, say, A4k to some
modelling paint ? Especially the keyboard case and the front cover
are areas of interest :-)
BTW, taste is not considered a reason ;->

regards,
	spz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: A4000 is kinda UGLY !!!
Keywords: Ugly
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 18:51:11 GMT

In article <mac1.718648841@Ra.MsState.Edu> mac1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Mubashir Cheema) writes:
>
>Got my copy of Amiga World today. Well I have to admit this, the A4000
>thats on the cover looks like no computer I have ever seen. Its the ugliest
>of them all. Hell it even has a keyboard lock right in the middle of it, yuck

You obviously have not seen some of the PC cases that are available.  I use
a PC at work that is much uglier than the A4000 and have seen several that
are just as bad or worse.
 
> Hell its a big SQUARE BOX, no innovative design that we Amigans are used to.

What Amigas are you talking about?  The A1000 had an innovative keyboard
garage (which I never used except to show someone that it had one), but
they chopped off part of the numeric keypad to make it fit.   The A500 is
nice enough for a C128/Atari ST style computer, but hardly innovative.  The
A2000 is, well, "functional" is about the nicest thing I can say about it.
The A3000 looks pretty nice, but there is no 5.25" bay for things like 
CDROMs and it is a pain in the ass to add memory, drives, etc.

> How many people share my disappointment ?

I'm sure that Mega Bitch and a few others will agree with you, but I'll
state now that I like it well enough and will be buying one in the near
future.  

Is the way the computer looks that big a deal?  Sheesh, it is a tool that
you use, not something to decorate your office with.  I used to keep the
cover off of my A1000 all the time, but somehow I still managed to get
things done.  If someone has trouble using a computer because it is not
pretty, I really feel for them.

BTW, I can think of several computers that are uglier than the A4000.

Mac Performa 600        The ugliest Mac I've ever seen.
IBM PS/2s               Plain boxes with goofy blue buttons
Gateway 2000s           Huge curve on the front.  Is that a turbocharger?
Tandys                  The case design sucks almost as bad as the computer.
Sun 3/60                Talk about a huge square box...
Atari TT                Looks like a multi-level birthday cake
Decstations             Goofy looking PC/Pizza Box hybrid
Mac Plus/Classic/etc.   The wimpiest excuse for a computer ever created

Plus, how about all of the old 8bit Apples, Ataris, Commodores, CPM boxes,
CoCos, 99/4As, Adams, etc.?

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: bye
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:09:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.110330.7659@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>
>As an outgoing flame I'll say that I will never buy a PC clone in their 
>current state.  Now I have to work with them I have a much clearer 
>understanding of what a worthless piece of junk they are.

Never a truer word spoken.  I wouldn't mind PCs so much if I didn't have to
support them daily.  "Junk" is too kind.

 OS/2 is an
>improvement, but I still prefer the Amiga.  If I do buy another machine,
>it will definitely be an Amiga, but I don't think I really want to come
>home and use a computer...

I find it refreshing to come home and use my Amiga.  I've been "into"
computers since I was a kid.  Using the Amiga reminds me that computing is
enjoyable in it's own right, and it keeps my enthusiasm up.

>Anyway, goodbye and good luck to everybody in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy!

I'm sure we'll "see" you again.  It was three years from when I used to read
comp.sys.amiga (before the grand reorganisation) at university to when DPI
got Internet access.  The network's growing - there's hope for you yet!

>Reply by e-mail, as I am a months worth of articles behind with no time
>to read them.

Obviously you need an efficient kill file.  Delete all -MB- posts and
followups, all Falcon drivel, and all discussions of fruit.  That should
help...   :-)


-- 
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 - Regional support guy for PC's, Unix, and networks thereof.
 - But I'd rather be using an AMIGA!  Wouldn't you?
Find me in Mareeba, Australia (on the pointy bit in the northeast)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas)
Subject: Re: To all Amigans!!! And NATO !!!
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 01:11:32 GMT
Organization: StarNine Technologies, Inc.

In article <3859@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>d89-sla@hemul.nada.kth.se (Stefan E Larsson) writes:
>
>>Well, at least we have never let anyone occupy our country. 
>>You Norwegians have been overrun by the Danes, the Swedes and then
>>the Germans! 
>
>  Jeez!  And I thought that New Yorker's were persecuted!
>
>>Pathetic.   
>
>  Actually, no.  It's refreshing to see some bashing of countries other than
>the US by Europeans... ;-)
>
>  -jack-

If only we could hear some bashing of other countries (instead of the US) by
us Americans, eh Jack?


Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Re: A Commodore Engineer speaks out.
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:49:00 GMT

jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) writes:
>>Apple is after the multimedia market.  It is no secret that they have
>>several new CD-ROM models coming out.  One looks a little like CDTV. 
>
>That will be interesting.  We already have the CDTV and CD-I.  In a month or
>so, we'll have the Tandy VIS.  I'd be very curious as to the specs on any
>Apple home TV/CD device.  

I think the first person was comparing the Performa 600 (an 030-based
Mac with multisession Photo CD drive) to CDTV.  Apple hasn't announced
their home device yet, but reportedly they'll be working with Philips
on some form of CD-I compatability.

>[...] CD-I and CDTV, at least as consumer systems, seem to be flops.  

Flops?  Both appear to have sold about twice as well as CD audio did
in its first year.  After Motorola gets the core CD-I functions down to
a single chip (slated for 1994, but they're ahead of schedule so far),
it could easily become difficult to buy a non "CD-I ready" home CD player.

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: u894776@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (James McCoull)
Subject: Re: A Commodore Engineer speaks out.
Keywords: Reverse Enginneering AGA - can it be done?
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 02:19:00 GMT

bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:

>I'm not sure where to start bashing you.  :)  I guess we'll start at
>the beginning.    There is NO problem with selling 68000 systems.
>None.  If the market buys them, all the better.  And since once
>machines using 3.0 are released games will start programming under the
>os, things are going to speed up on faster machines, and you'll get
>people buying better systems to play better games.  :)  And as long as
>new operating systems offer good functionality to high-end users while
>still working on low-end machines, I see no problem.

Just because something sells doesnt mean you arent screwing up your future.
Cheap 386sux clones sell well - this leads the way to a MSDOS/Windows
damaged future.

>And now I'm not sure.  If you're advocating removing chip memory,
>you've lost your mind.  See, there's two ways to go.  Either you have
>it our way, and you have so much chip ram, and then have fast ram that
>gives the CPU full access, or you have everything as chip memory, like
>the falcon, and throw away neat things like burst access.

No No No No No... i've been programmin the Amiga too long to suggest
chip ram goes.  I am suggesting every amiga now ships with chip ram *and*
fast ram.

>In my opinion, its the existence of Chip memory that makes the Amiga
>so interesting, architecturally--it's the best of both worlds.  VRAM
>would be another solution, but it doesn't work well with the Amiga's
>system.  VRAM really likes a "chunky" setup.

You bet... when we have VRAM+Chip bus set-up, we will have the most
awesome [mainstream] computer.

>sure don't.  And tossing everything under the sun into rom is a bad
>idea.  For instance, CompuGraphic fonts do not belong in rom.  The
>only font that belongs in rom is topaz.font in size 8 and 11 because
>1) it's always been there, and 2)it's the default font that always
>exists so that it's always usable, and never corruptable.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.  You must be American - is it too much to
ask for a system which is *very* usable without mucho disk access.  Try
using other computers like the Acorn Archimedes - to gain an idea of how
much this can help the image of a computer - at the low end.
From: mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 complete or not?
Keywords: I hate this!!!
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:56:55 GMT
Reply-To: mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

barrett@gleep.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.062422.6416@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
[deleted since it just should not exist...]
>
>	Personally, I am pissed as HELL that Commodore didn't upgrade the
>damn on/off switch.  It still has only TWO positions, and ONLY ONE of them
>does anything at all.

Me too.  I mean, since only one position is useful, we should have
just removed it completely.  That would have also saved some money
and would have made the operation of the machine twice as easy :-)
(After all, eliminate a 2-position option and you have 1/2 the options :-)

/----------------------------------------------------------------------\
|      /// Michael Sinz  -  Senior Amiga Systems Engineer              |
|     ///                   Operating System Development Group         |
|    ///   BIX:  msinz      UUNET:  mks@cbmvax.commodore.com           |
|\\\///    By doing the impossible one just proves the point           |
| \XX/     that one can not do the impossible.                         |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: Amiga in Encyclopedia ad on TV.
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 10 Oct 92 04:55:01 GMT

etam@fraser.sfu.ca (Edwin Tam) writes:

>fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>	The local cable co. channel had the 'insert Workbench v1.3' 
>>	screen on Fri, Sat, and Sun.  It was kind of amusing.  I 
>>	must have watched it for 3 hours waiting for my TV to reboot :-)

>What, you sat in front of your TV for 3 hours watching the insert
>Workbench v1.3 screen?  Personally, I prefer watching paint dry :-)

  The student TV station here on campus had a Guru meditation error
screen on their channel for the entire 3 months of summer
vacation.

-- 
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 and that is having no marketing people on a project."  - Larry Tesler.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: drollin@seq.uncwil.edu (David A. Rollins)
Subject: Re: Are you looking for Amiga pirate ftp sites? Read this!
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:20:00 GMT


That was funny. Thanks for the laugh. I needed one.

-- 
David Rollins                 |  I OWN A COMMODORE/AMIGA 2000.  
Email: drollin@seq.uncwil.edu |  I'M GOOD ENOUGH. I'M SMART ENOUGH,
Voice: 919-763-4115           |  AND DOGGONE IT, PEOPLE LIKE ME!
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A 32bit game player system under development
Date: 13 Oct 1992 14:37:43 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33
Keywords: Electronic Arts plans for 93 Christmas release

In article <1992Oct13.020308.20796@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
> EA going into hardware? Hmmm, I really wonder about the validity of that one.
>Have a source I could look up? As for Sega, you'll see something new coming ou
>of New York in about, oh, round about the end of this week. :-) (I know becaus
>I had one stolen off of my desk today. Kept me at work all weekend.)

:D

It's possible that EA is going into CD-I...  It is their style, to say
the least.  They wouldn't have to port their graphics from the
IBM-style VGA system, and it wouldn't take much work to do some decent
MC68k coding.  Yeah, I could see them jumping on to the CD-I
bandwagon.

NOTE:  Not that I actually know if they are or aren't.  If I was from
EA, someone here in .advocacy would probably shoot me dead.  :)

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