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From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Why mainlanders are so mixed up?
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:26:30 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

In article <106866@bu.edu> lix@crsa.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.103401.4262@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:
>>In article <1itilpINN8oj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>> In article <ll3labINNki@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>>>>In article <1993Jan11.171150.26968@oakhill.sps.mot.com> (Jack Wu) writes:
>>>>>In article <C0JIAJ.Ap@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes: 
>>
>>	*** Eh, Tingli, you got some good points there, especially in regard to 
>>some Lin's irrational behavior.  I agree with you.  If he is not capable of 
>>rational discussions, he'd better stay out of the way.  
>
>Well, we are here to learn freedom of speech. Though I don't agree with
>S. T. Lin usually, I see no one qualified to ask him to stay out of way.
>
>Here there are two questions:
>1. Who is capable to make judgement whether S. T. Lin is capable of rational
>discussion.
>
>2. Who has the right to let any other netter stay out of way.
>
I don't know whom you are refering to about to stop Mr. Lin. But, I
won't have a slights thought in stopping his posting over here. 

Think about this. After a long day's work coming back home. Your wife
wants you to help her cooking, your son wants you to buy something about
Nintendo. Only in the late everning, turning on the computer, loggin
into system, go to scc. With the list of "Steve Lin", a smile creeps to
my face. What a blessing to me. Do you think I'm so cruel to take away
my own fun? No way. I would say: "Please, Please, keep Steve Lin here."
Without his being in scc, think about it, scc will become a boring
place, no fun, no enjoyment, no nothing. Scott Horner has gone, we can
not let Steve Lin go. No we cann't.

Is that your reason to keep Steve Lin here? Mr. Li? Tell the truth.

BTW, Mr. Lin said he is not a KMT, Its awesome. I really feel happy for
KMT. Now I'm certain that KMT will be the saviour for China.     

Tingli Pan  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: Please be nice when you find mistakes in other's posting.
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 06:37:10 GMT

In article <qCc=KFC@engin.umich.edu> zliao@engin.umich.edu (Canhai Lai) writes:
>In article <C0AIrG.3p6@ulowell.ulowell.edu> <1993Jan3.221529.6807@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> <C0B1ns.AI3@ulowell.ulowell.edu>
>From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu), Mr. Lu wrote:
>
>>>China has land that can produce  three harvests of rice and one harvest of
>>>weeds for fertilizer.
>
>>Hmmm...  Why do you want to produce weeds?  Or do you mean seaweed?  Yum!
>
>>(Sorry; I know that you meant "wheat," but I just can't resist it.)
>
> Whenever I see this kind of argument, I feel sad. For example,
>a gentleman laugh at another gentleman "same a file" when he did
>know that meant "save a file".

Well, you can't blame Nelson Lu alone. Sometimes I felt like to do the
same thing. The thing is Chunde Shi wasn't trying to write decent articles.
His articles are sometimes very hard for me to understand. He seems always
rushing for other things. It's everyone's responsibility to do his/her best
to make the articles as clear as possible.

I'm not saying picking others' English is right. (We are Chinese, so we
are very likely to make spelling or grammatic mistakes in English.) I'm
saying that if a poster has to "rush out" every article, he simply doesn't
respect other netters.

> Unfortunately, for this case, I do know "why do you want to produce weeds".
>I grew up from countryside, where the farms did grow a kind of weed called
>'Zi3 Wen2 Yin1' (That's Mainland Chinese Pinyin, the pronunciation maybe wrong)
>in winter, the weed has very beautiful flower(this is not important), 
>and can fertilize the land(this is the purpose of producing the weed).
>This kind of weeds is no longer grown in my hometown because
>more efficient chemical fertilizer is available.

Thanks for the explanation. The newsgroup is great, isn't it?

> Actually, from logic, Mr. Lu shall have known that ">>weeds for fertilizer."
>can not mean wheat.                                              ^^^^^^^^^^

Nelson Lu missed fire this time. And I saw his apology on SCT.

> My English is very poor, and my arguments may be wrong,
>welcome any criticize. But please do not 
>laugh at me when you find mistakes in my posting. Thanks!

I won't laugh at you. But when someone insists on imposing military threat
to the people I love, sometimes I get lost in my temper. :(

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Is TI so rossy?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:50:02 GMT

In article <C0JIAJ.Ap@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

>Taiwan is holding unification as hostage, in excuse of CCP, and refuses 
>contact with mainland. This may cause  Chinese people disaster, if not managed
>carefully, given some nation are taking advantage of the situation.

Bosnia-Hercegovina is holding unification as hostage, in excuse of the Serbian
Socialist Party, and refuses contact with Serbia.  This may cause Yugoslav
people disaster, if not managed carefully, given some nation are taking
advantage of the situation.

Yeah right.

The Taiwanese people *don't* want to be ruled by the CCP any more than
Bosnians by the atrocious Serbian regime.  If unification happens under an
efficient and honest regime (e. g., in the past, Tang Dynasty), the entire
country, including Taiwan, will benefit.  If unifcation happens under a
horrible regime (e. g., Ming Dynasty, or, IMO, the current CCP), then the
entire country, including Taiwan, will suffer.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Why mainlanders are so mixed up?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:03:10 GMT

In article <ll3labINNki@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.171150.26968@oakhill.sps.mot.com> (Jack Wu) writes:
>>In article <C0JIAJ.Ap@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes: 
>>>Who caused the problem is not as important as how to solve the problem.
>
>Oh yeah? So who killed Chinese people is not important, who can take control
>Chinese people is more important, hunh?
>
>>>Taiwan is holding unification as hostage, in excuse of CCP, and refuses
>>>contact with mainland. This may cause  Chinese people disaster, if not managed
>>>carefully, given some nation are taking advantage of the situation.
>
>ROC has no will to unify under the CCP, don't you guys get it?
>Taiwan has no intention to unify with mainland under CCP ruling, don't you know?
>Taiwan is the hope of Chinese in moving toward democracy, don't you get it?
>If it was not CCP, who would have caused millions of Chinese people killed for
>no reasons? It it is not CCP, who is that stupid to push China backward for
>30-40 years? If it is not CCP, how come a properious Shanghai became a humble
>old-man like city? If it is not CCP, why all Chinese became blue uniform
>citizens (don't you know blue class under the CCP is slave?)?
>>                  -----------
>>Sounds like a CCP's propaganda. I guess your SOME NATION is implying
>>the Red China. Wake up, jerk. Only the CCP wants to take advantage from
>>both Hong-Kong and Taiwan. Tell your CCP the unification is already dead
>>after Tianman Square Massacre. Only jerks like you will believe them.
>>
>You may wish to unify Taiwan under CCP, but the free world has no wish
>to do so. If Taiwan ever comes the time under CCP, Chinese is dead of hope
>on democracy forever! Not even think of it!
>
>
Take it easy! I heard those rhetoric often, not only from. Have you had any
experience with considerable extent other than one in Taiwan and  Westen
nations? Could you be wrong? Try to compare second opinion! It is still not
too late.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: changhp@engin.umich.edu (Hsiou-Ping Chang)
Subject: Re: About Taiwan
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 12:33:45 EST
Organization: The University of Michigan
Reply-To: echang@engin.umich.edu
Originator: changhp@fijan.engin.umich.edu


In article <1993Jan11.152953.16303@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu) writes:

> 
> By the way, I changed the subject line because the original one
> openly invited a quarter of human population to hate Taiwan.
> 
	Thank you for reminding me; I should've been more careful.
> Eric
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: cs921108@ariel.yorku.ca (CHUNG WAI TAM)
Subject: Looking for a person!
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:26:31 GMT

I'm looking for a student who is studying in Tung Hai university 4th year.

His name is Tam Chung Sun (Samuel). If anyone knows him, please contact

him and email to me please!

My address is :cs921108@ariel.yorku.ca


Frank Tam
York Universtiy (Canada)
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: US will sell Patriot Missles to Taiwan
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:38:04 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

From today's radio, US decides to sell to Taiwan Patriot Missles.
Can anyone with better information resource confirm this?

-- Chien-Chung Chen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: China(was More than 50% support TI)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:46:00 GMT

In article <C0JI4L.8D@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

>China now has people living on agriculture much less than 80%. In last decade,
>around 100 million peasants employed in rural factories. there were 300
>million rural labor force, which mean ROUGHly 1/3 of rural population do not
>count as peasants. U.S. have 5% of farmer population(labor only? or their
>family too). China has most productive land, U.S. has most productive 
>farmer.

You continue to evade the question.

If the agricultural production of the United States is due to advanced
farming technology (as you seem to imply by "U. S. has most productive
farmer"), then why, when China had the edge in farming technology before the
time of the Ming Dynasty, did China have a lot of famines?

Please don't continue to evade the question and make assertions that you still
fail to back up.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: The political crisis development in Taiwan
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:48:53 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

In article <1993Jan11.193116.25719@cbnews.cb.att.com> (Heng-Hsin Liao) writes:
>
>I learned that there was a demonstration in Taipei on Sunday
>(1/10/93.) The purpose of this demonstration was suprisingly
>"Supporting Li-Hau Institution" (or should I say "Supporting
>Hau as the Premier").
>
>From the video, I saw a crowd of about 5-10 thousand people
>in the demonstration. They went to the President Mansion to
>give their opinion in writing. I was really suprised that the
>political promotion activities inside KMT went onto the street.
>

Yes, it is suprisingly that KMT supporters now are demonstrating
against Lee Deng-hui's Taiwan KMT. But, it is not too suprised
to the people who have observed the development in the past years.
It may be moving to the point that Lee's Taiwan KMT have to 
re-orgnize and integrate with DPP to be Kuo-Jin-dang ( Kuo Ming
and Ming Jing to be Kuo-jing under the chairman Lee Deng-hui.)

It is a crisis if the mainlanders still mix up, who will stand
on Chinese while the Lee's mainstream moving to Taiwan only
policy domination?  The mainland KMT seems getting weaker and
weaker in the policy making.

The similar meetings were held in the US in several Chinese 
communities in the major cities yesterday. The TIers were driven
away and perhaps will be beaten like street mouse if they have
to act like a wolf.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: tsen+@OZARK.EDRC.CMU.EDU (Chung Kang Tsen)
Subject: test
Originator: tsen@OZARK.EDRC.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:28:15 GMT

Hello world!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey)
Subject: Fight in Taiwan's legislature reported on WPIX TV, NYC 
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:43:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.125757.4237@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department) writes:
>	** After seeing the spectacular fight among Guo2 Dai4
<	   on Jan 8, [....   ]                      ^^^ Taiwan's congress?

Last night (Jan 8, Friday), on New York City TV channel 11 (WPIX), on their
news show, they showed video footage of a fight that broke out in their
legislative body (equivalent to the USA Congress) during a dabate.  Showed
members yelling and throwing fists and wrestling on the floor.  No mention
on this newscast as to what issue was being debated that started this
brawl.  Mentioned that members of the "opposition party" and the "ruling
party" were involved.  I had the feeling that the news reporters of 
this TV channel were "milking" this story for laughs, and saying that
debates in USA's Congress, while heated at times, rarely get like this.
I seem to remember hearing about another brawl in Taiwan's legislature
about 6 to 12 months ago?  Hope I'm wrong, but how common is this anyway?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: China(was More than 50% support TI)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:14:15 GMT

In article <C0C2n9.Lq@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:

>One of my major was economic geography. Please trust me on those, they are
>facts and  can be easily verified. Unfortunately I do not have figure handy.
>If you realy have doubt and curious enough, any extensive geography book or
>economic statistics book will help.

Then please explain why there were so many famines in Chinese history.  You
mentioned "lack of records" in the west, but that is definitely false.  There
have always been extensive historical records of history since Greco-Roman
times in western Europe.

It cannot be just the effect of warfare, since there was as much, if not more,
warfare during historical times in western Europe than in China.  Technological
deficiencies?  No, until the Ming Dynasty at least the Chinese were more
advanced in farm technology.

From what I've seen, famines in Chinese history mostly came from wars and/or
natural disasters, but natural disasters must still be accounted for while
calculating the fertility of the lands.  For example, how many floods the
extent of the recent one in China have you seen, in our lifetime, in the
United States or Europe?  The Yellow River itself is a natural disaster always
waiting to happen.

This is *not* a glorification of western farming.  If it were, I would be
saying that western farms are more productive *despite* being less fertile,
which is not the case.  Until you can come up with the data, I won't believe
that the Northern China Plains are more fertile than the Great Plains or the
Ukrainian Plains.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16995 soc.culture.china:34451
From: jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Why mainlanders are so mixed up?
Date: 12 Jan 93 21:19:36 -0500
Distribution: na
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <ll65o4INN5ms@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>>In article <1itilpINN8oj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>> 
>>>>ROC has no will to unify under the CCP, don't you guys get it?
>>> 
>>> I believe fewer and fewer people dare to stand up in showing
>>> their sympathy to KMT.  
>>> KMT's days are countable. Sign.....
>>>>>                  -----------
>>> Tingli Pan    
>>
> Isn't that you CCP supporters want? It should be the way around, the overseas
> Chinese pay sympathy to the mainlanders, isn't it! 
>  
> But, with so many CCP supporters and CCP hard core members on SCC, the overseas 
> Chinese are too weak to help. You guys made a choice, deserve it. I wish I am
> a KMT so I can save you, but sorry I am not and my hands can not reach you.
> 
	*** Why do you keep accusing people who do not agree with you of being
CCP supporter?  You think the overseas Chinese are too weak, I think you are
the one who is really sick.  You wish you could save someone, I only wish you
could be saved.  You think you can help, I think you can only make things
worse.  If you just keep bashing people with different opinions, I don't think
you can be saved.  (Well, sort of counter-bashing, how do you like it?) 
>
From: Eugene.Liu@launchpad.unc.edu (Eugene Liu)
Subject: Re: email in Taiwan?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:34:55 GMT

In article <1igqupINN2ph@shelley.u.washington.edu> seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-) writes:
>>>I would like to know about the situation that people use e-mail in Taiwan.
>>>I would be appreciated your answer
>>
>>Almost all universities in Taiwan are linked to Internet now, so I'd say many
>>people, especially college students, are enjoying e-mail at the moment. :)
>>
>>:E.Liu
>
>	even though this is the case (that almost all univ are linked),
>	my understanding is that only Graduate School Students have access 
Hmmm, I think the school would give them an account if they applied. Maybe
the graduates are given an account by "default" but the undergrads need
to ask for one. I don't know... Policies vary from school to school. :)

:E.Liu

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING)
Subject: Re: Is TI so rossy?
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 13:39:18 GMT

In article <C0AJ4q.3qr@ulowell.ulowell.edu> cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
>   2. Hostility will not be limited aournd the straight. mainland is now
>possesing the capacity the do or not do somethind in the world which will
>have major impact on potential interventionists. And if they do intervene, 
>they better succeed, or they will have more to lose. If China have military
>build up, say from current 3% of GNP to 60% of GNP, we will not limit the 
>conflict to Taiwan, that for sure.

    Does that mean that Mainland China will be first to launch a nuclear strike
on U. S.?

Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:16933 soc.culture.china:34390
From: jfeng@vax.cns.muskingum.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Why mainlanders are so mixed up?
Date: 11 Jan 93 20:07:50 -0500
Distribution: na 
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <C0pM4J.Br0@fiu.edu>, stacc0@quantum.fiu.edu (Ye) writes:
> In article <ll3labINNki@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
> |> ...
> 
> What's the problem with you guys? May be stupidity is contagious, but look at how many on the
> net remained cool and healthy.

	*** Rational discussions are certainly healthy and constructive, and of
course irrational bashings are stupid and distructive.  If one wants to simply
bash others irrationally, please stay out.
From: jinguo@euler.mcs.utulsa.edu (Niu Jinguo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: chinese chess prg. wanted
Date: 11 Jan 1993 22:30:20 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi, Dear netter:
I will appreciate very much if somebody tell me where I can find a chinese
chess game. Either on unix, x-window, or on PC are OK.
Thanx in advance.
Jinguo Niu
From: ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: IPS: Democracy Comes of Age
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:57:57 -0500
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1474900027@igc.apc.org>, Tom Gray <tgray@igc.apc.org> writes:
> 
> taipei, dec 21 (ips) -- results from elections in taiwan and
> south korea over the weekend have shown that it is possible for
> asia's newly-industrialised nations to move smoothly from
> military dictatorship to multi-party democracy without hurting
> economic growth.

	** After seeing the spectacular fight among Guo2 Dai4
	   on Jan 8, I am just laughing at this so called
	   democracy. 

	   Election is just a disguise of other forms of dictatorship.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: lws@eembox.ncku.edu.tw (WenHsiang Lin)
Subject: Re: email in Taiwan?
Organization: National Cheng Kung University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:11:32 GMT

In article <1igqupINN2ph@shelley.u.washington.edu> seb@stein.u.washington.edu (-s e b a s t i a n-) writes:

>>>I would like to know about the situation that people use e-mail in Taiwan.
>>>I would be appreciated your answer
>>
>>Almost all universities in Taiwan are linked to Internet now, so I'd say many
>>people, especially college students, are enjoying e-mail at the moment. :)
>>
>>:E.Liu

>       even though this is the case (that almost all univ are linked),
>       my understanding is that only Graduate School Students have access 
>       to the internet, usenet, and ftp. so most of my friends as 
>       undergraduates in taiwan don't get to use the awesome 'e-mail'

    Not really, all students in NCTU, NCU and NTHU can access the net easily.
In our school, NCKU, undergraduate students can also access the net if they
had applied the accounts in our computer center. However, very few
undergraduate students are familiar with the net access in our school.

WenHsiang Lin
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Chong1 Guang3 broadcast (Was Re: Excellence, Made in Taiwan)
Date: 4 Jan 93 23:30:16 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor

In article <1993Jan4.223222.2635@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu) writes:
>It may help if you specify the model.  I bought one and returned it 
>the next day.  It just didn't work as well as promised.  If you have one 
>that works or you know what will work for sure, I would like to know.  
>Thanks.

I got myself an analog tuning SW/AM/FM radio for only $17 pretax.
It works OK. On a mail order catelog, a CASIO digital tuning SW/AM/FM
sells for $49+$5.5(S&H). If you want more information, I can help.
But I don't guarantee they'll work for you. :)

-- Chien-Chung Chen
From: ericlaw@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: IPS: Democracy Comes of Age
Date: 11 Jan 93 09:05:49 -0500
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1993Jan9.202153.10564@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
> 
> The problem is that it's not really a democracy yet.  If it were, you wouldn't
> be seeing these fights.

	** OK, then tell me when will it be. Give me a time
	   estimation so everybody will have an idea how to use
	   the word "democracy".
> 
> It's the buildup of the Chinese historical past, where force was everything,
> that caused the mentality that fisticuffs could solve problems in the National
> Assembly.

	** I often wonder why would they want to fight. I think
	   they understand the fighting will not solve any problem.
	   Everybody know the fighting is only a language in the 
	   parliament.
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