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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:15:46 GMT
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lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>: 
>: What?!  Where in the above did I bash the Amiga?
>
>Perhaps you did not do it intentionally, but your words "Didn't think
>so." immediately appeared in my mind as "Naah, Amiga can't do even
>that, it sucks"....
>

Jarkko, this is PARANOIA, pure and simple.  If you're really this obsessed,
get some help.

>
>Okay: OS/2 is _not_ real time operatoing system. And this one alone is
>enough to proove you that OS/2 lacks some functionality AmigaOS has.
>

AmigaOS is a real-time OS?  Since when?  What real-time features does it
have that OS/2 does not?

>
>Jarkko Lindblad
>
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From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:11:10 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug31.094150.7646@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>
>   In the September 1992 issue of AmigaWorld, Bob Hays writes the following at
>the beginning of a review of Amiga Links:
>
>   "A DOUBLE RARITY among Amiga games, LINKS (Access Software, $59.95) was
>written for the Amiga, not simply ported from the MS-DOS version, and it has
>a 4096-color HAM-mode display.  As a result, this golf game looks substantially

>better on the Amiga than on a VGA-mode PC."
>
>    My comments: BULLSHIT!!  BULLSHIT!!  BULLSHIT!!
>
>    The same company -- Access Software -- has developed Links 386 Pro, a
> [ "explanation" of why Links 386 Pro blows away the Amiga version ]
>
>   What is my point about all this?  This is only the beginning for games on
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The same "point" you repeat over and over again??

>the IBM platform.  Now that some games have already started coming out that
>support SVGA, more will come.  It will be a *LONG* time before enough Amiga
>systems have sold with AA chipsets to justify software developers producing
>games that support comparable resolutions and color capabilities on the
>Amiga.  
>
>   Due to lack of progress, the "Ultimate Game Machine" is very fast becoming
>the "Ultimate Joke Machine".

I thought it was already a joke machine to you.  By the way, are you going to
buy one of the new Amiga models to add to your collection of 2 Amigas?

>
>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------

Francis
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From: dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James P. Dusek)
Subject: Re: AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:56:48 GMT

ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

>>>why compare Links 386 Pro to Links?  Maybe we'll get Links AA_Amiga Pro or
>>>something.
>	You guys are dreaming if you think Access is going to support a market
>  as small as AA Amiga's or EGS/Rembrandt equipped Amiga's.  Of course if
>  Commodore sells the AA chipset Amigas for a reasonable price this could
>  change, but that in itself is another dream.  
	
	What if you can install the AA into existing Amigas?
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From: addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 30 Aug 1992 15:30:23 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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Summary: Remember the general rule in c.s.a.a:  Subjects must be irrelevant!

In <mykes.0d3o@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>Remember, though, all they need is a working 'C' compiler and a working OS
>and all the stuff on the Fish disks would be easy to just recompile.  The
>stuff that is worth it, anyhow.

I'd prefer that the other operating systems be ported to the Amiga.  By your
arguments, developers could just recompile their code to have an Amiga version.
[Actually, I wonder how far MS Windows- and OS/2- compatible Application
Program Interfaces could help in making it easier for developers to port to
the Amiga.]

You are, however, forgetting that the Fish disks contain more than 'C'
programs.  The assembly language stuff would need to be recoded, for instance.
Furthermore, I think your underestimating how much the code on the Fish disks
depends on big-endian byte ordering.  Even for programs that are insensitive
to the byte ordering internally, there can be major problems with data file
compatibility.

The Unix ports might not be so bad since they are designed for such
portability, but I suspect you would still have to make some changes to
the source code (like a #define or two) even in those cases.

>Reality check.  It takes a MAJOR application, either hardware or software, to
>make a computer marketable.

Hmm.  Maybe my memory is a bit foggy, but I can't seem to recall the
tail-that-wagged-the-dog application for the Commodore 64.  :-)

-- 
Richard
From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:27:07 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Sep3.204408.8792@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> rjc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray) writes:

>   I'm happy with Linux on my PC, I can't complain about free unix,
>but an Amiga, the PC will never be. The hardware doesn't have the
>"neato" factor. I can't wait for the first AA chipset demos.

You might have to wait for AA demos (eurodemos anyway) those people (to para-
phrase Perot :) are very price concious, most wont have AA machines for quite
some time, that's only assuming C= comes out with a low end AA machine.

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 21:09:56 GMT

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
: Fonts are nice, but my 9 pinprinter sure ain't no LASER printer.  Sigh.

That's an understatement.  ;)

: That's cool.  Another question: do applications need to be 'written for'
: AmigaDOS 2.0 to take advantage of these fonts? Or to take advantage of
: other AmigaDOS neat-o whiz bang things?  I guess this is a question of
: the similarities between earlier versions.

Sometimes.  Sometimes not.  For instance, to make use of ASL.Library,
yes, of course.  It's something totally new to AmigaDos, it's never
had a standard requester.  Before now, everybody used
PD/ShareWare/FreeWare libraries to do it, or they did it themselves.
The most common ones you'll see are the req.library and arp.library
stuff.

Other things that changed on top of existing things you don't.  For
instance, 2.0's NewLook is always there.  If RTG is placed into the
system, it'll be invisible.  Because the hard work hides behind
libraries, where programs never see it.  One of the advantages of
libraries is that no matter how confusing they are behind-the-scenes,
they always look prim and proper to the programmer on the outside.

Well, not always.  You can be a psychopath and make your library
interface a mudhole.

: Ah, no.  I visit this place for curiousity, education, political discussions,
: cars, economics, crime, and the occaisonal XXMonger post.  :)

:)

: AS WELL YOU SHOULD! HUMPH!   :)

:)

Do you people like my .sig or something?  Everybody keeps leaving the
bong-resin line in the posts.  ;)

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From: fnunez@bilbo.cs.uct.ac.za (F Nunez)
Subject: >FTP help
Organization: Computer Science Department, University of Cape Town
Distribution: global
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:41:52 GMT

Berend Ozcery wanted to know about accessing FTP sites...

I am assuming the sites you are wanting to access are "public domain"-type
sites. The usual way to access these is by typing "anonymous" (watch the
spelling...) as your user name and your email address as the password. This
last thing is not necessary, but it is considered as common curtesy (in
netspeak, "netiquette") to tell the site admin that you've been the one
poking about in his site. Some sites require "guest" instead of "anonymous" as
the login. The goodies are most probably in a subdirectory tree rooted in
/pub. Useful hint: set the mode to binary (type BINARY) in case the stuff you
want to GET is compacted in some way (it usually is) otherwise byte length
will be 7 bits instead of 8.

Good fishing...


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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:51:25 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

devasoft@cup.portal.com (David Michael Alves) writes:

>>2.3 MEGS and a top of the line machine to emulate what is done on the
>>bottom of the line Amiga in under 90K of tight-coding?? I nearly fell of my
>>chair laughing at that...

>  *SIGH*

>My first post about the UNREAL demo was in response to someone that 
>believed that these kinds of demos (Euro type) were not available on the 
>PC.  They are available, and they are impressive.  The fact that they  
>may be large or small or have to run on a slow or fast machine owned 
>by a rich or poor, young or old man, woman or dog really has no bearing 
>on the information I was trying to convey at the time. 

Honestly speaking, now you know how Amigans feel--we keep on trying
to convince some close-minded IBM/Mac owners how capable the Amiga is,
and that it can be just as capable as an IBM/Mac.  Yet, all we get back
are laughters... just like the ones you got.

I agree we shouldn't treat IBM/Mac-owners the way they treat us--but sometimes
we just cant help it.  I hope through this lesson, we will both learn...

>David Alves ................ Devasoft ............. devasoft@cup.portal.com
> 

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin

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From: davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn)
Subject: Re: AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links
Organization: Qld Dept Primary Industries
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:53:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.114610.4782@newshost.unh.edu> pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.013749.13608@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:
>
>>and to accuse them of LIES is a big exaggeration.  What you can accuse them of
>>is not telling the whole truth - there is a new version of Links for [34]86's
>>that looks better than the Amiga version when it's running on a (supported)
>>SVGA card.  Just which particular SVGA cards does it support, by the way?  You
>>do realise that there's no standard, don't you?

I kicked myself after I wrote this - of course, there is a standard for SVGA,
and VESA has defined it.  However, while some cards support some of VESA
directly, others only offer support through the VESA BIOS extensions, which
must be loaded as a TSR.  That works, although it slows access to the SVGA
modes.  A lot of software therefore bypasses that at supports individual
chipsets directly.

I don't mean to imply that things are that bad in the SVGA world - I get by
well enough with the assortment of cards at work.  As long as they come with
Windows and VESA support, you won't have many problems.

But, when people claim that such-and-such supports SVGA, it's not entirely
clear what's meant.  It often seems to mean that it supports Tseng Labs and
not much else, which means half the users here would miss out.  That's what
I meant by "there's no standard".

>I believe it supports VESA.  It comes with a large number of VESA
>drivers, or you can use your own if you have one (I think).

Sounds reasonable.


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From: ada@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Sunga Rettaf)
Subject: Re: New Amigas and AA ???
Organization: None
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:45:40 GMT

In article <Btv6Fv.D89@andy.bgsu.edu> hreutte@andy.bgsu.edu (hans reutter) writes:
>I had no internet or email access for quite some time,
>so could somebody please summarize all the rumors(?) about
>the new Amigas and the AA-chipset?

I too have been on holiday for the summer and would be interested
in the latest rumors.  What is the AA-chipset?

Sunga Rettaf




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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: RFD: create newsgroup comp.sys.amiga.advocacy.advocacy
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 06:04:22 GMT

barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) writes:
: 	Followups are directed to alt.sex.gummy-bears.

Good, as long as this is being followup'ed to a.s.g-b, I'll gab about
that for a while...

As I was just saying to Gleep and Dan the other day, that Grammi Gummi
from the cartoons really used to turn me on.  She'd guzzle that red
juice oh, so seductively, and then she'd bounce right, she'd bounce
left.  She'd bounce higher than any of the other gummies, her little
white apron flapping in the breeze, her legs spread wide in the air...

By the time she stopped bouncing, I had, most often, spent my
energies.

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From: barrett@cup.portal.com (Dave - Silon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Heh heh (was Re: Huh? (was Re: Hah! (was Re: Huh?)))
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 01:01:29 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <64394@cup.portal.com> <52255@dime.cs.umass.edu> <64450@cup.portal.com>
  <52289@dime.cs.umass.edu> <64483@cup.portal.com>
  <52351@dime.cs.umass.edu> <64696@cup.portal.com>

OK Gleeep.  You win - my higher brain functions have
flat-lined and my willpower has reverted to the third
trimester.  I am expecting a relentless succubus to arrive
at any moment and take whatever is left of me into a life
of eternal damnation.  You were ruthless in your assault
on my credibility, and now because of your slanderous
TRUSSY the Wonder Hog stories, I have lost my job at the
Sea Monkey Preening factory and my life is in ruin.
 
My wife has left me saying that "she doesn't want her
children to look like mutant piglets." The people at work
welded over-sized pig ears to the roof of my car and then
chased me out of the parking lot with county fair livestock 
entry blanks.  My landlord has made me move into "the house 
of straw," and has kept everything except my computer so that 
I could continue to suffer.  He said "Ayep.  Pigs don't need all
this eeeeeeelectronic stuff."
 
The only friends I had before this have now all disowned me.
Even the one friend I thought I could rely on has sprayed 
"Get out Porky Ha Ha" on my windows with Christmas snow.
 
I thought I had a promising life to look forward to.  I thought
that I was going to become a world famous Sea Monkey Engineer,
but no!  You had to wreck it all didn't you?  I hope that a
rampant subway train filled with car-sick lepers careens down your 
esophagus and never achieves its nascent potential.
 
Don't you have any remorse? Doesn't any of this bother
YOU? Don't you even care about the lives you destroy, you
heartless, PSYCHOTIC BASTARD?  [uncontrollable blubbering]
 
[ominous silence...]
 
  BLAM!  God Dammit!    BLAM! BLAM! unhhhhhh.... THUMP!
 
 
                                    Dan, posthumously
 
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:16:20 GMT
X-Posted-From: connection.prospect.com
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jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes:
>
>> priority when its quantum expires, no?  Is it possible, in AmigaOS, to
>> designate a task as "non-preemptible"?  If not, there's no difference in
>
>    Yes it is possible to make a task non-preemtible. One function
>    call to get into that state, another one to get out.
>

Doesn't that interfere with the realtime operation of the rest of the
system?  By the way, what *are* these functions?  What happens when a
non-preemptible task makes a system call?  Is the system tied up waiting
for the I/O?

>
>*** John Bickers, TAP, NZAmigaUG.        jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
>
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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:47:24 GMT
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abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>
>>How much for one of those BridgeBoards?  What's on it, a 286?  If you think
>>a BridgeBoard is comparable to having a PC, you're sadly mistaken.
>
>some luck souls might have a 386SX Bridgeboard.  And if they really know
>what they are doing, they can desolder the 386SX and replace it with
>a Cyrix chip.
>

Sounds great.								NOT!

>
>Now... Jerry... just for the sake of argument  (oops... perhaps I shouldn't
>say this...) what can a 486 do that a 386 cant?  
>

Not much.  There are some minor (minute) MMU and instruction set differences
and a built-in FPU and cache.  It just runs a hell of a lot faster than a
386/387 combo.

>
>>Mike, you're full of shit.  No video support out of the box?!  What box?
>>Find me a clone vendor that doeesn't sell complete systems.
>
>Take it easy, buddy.  When he said  "video" support, he means real video...
>ie, NTSC VHS video (or PAL beta for other folks...).
>

Oops.  Sorry about that.  Oh well, Mike was full of it anyway.

>
>I put a small presentation/animation from my Amiga onto a video tape
>(without any special external hardware--well... unless you consider a
>VCR special... :)
>

Amazing technological breakthrough.  I used to do the same thing (for an in-
store display) with a vintage 1981 Atari 800 that I bought used in 1984 for
$75.  Of course, there were no presentation software packages, so I had to
program each presentation myself (colorful scrolling text and pictures were
easy to do on the Atari).

>
>Take it easy, buddy.  Many of us bought our Amigas years ago... so we dont 
>have those hot-shot gadgets IBM buyers could buy nowadays.  Remember,
>at that time the Amiga's competition was a CGA 10Mhz 80286 system... the
>choice to many of us was obvious... :)
>

No question about that.  But when Amigoids start comparing their A500s to
today's PC's and UNIX workstations, it gets a bit ridiculous.

>
>Kelvin
>
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From: TREP@cup.portal.com (Tom Obie Obringer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Zorro III cards?
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 21:00:26 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <BttoAt.6Cy@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>


>Unfortunately, I'm quite certain that the Rambrandt is Zorro II, as PP&S
>indicated its A2000/2500 compatibility in the AW Graphics Issue.

I haven't seen this posted anywhere, but I was talking to PP&S about 2 months
ago, and they told me they are releasing two Rambrandts.  The original that
has been discussed here quite a bit and is indeed a ZorroII bd and a second
board without all the extras (ie. framegrabbing, video outs ect) that is in
fact a ZorroIII bd.  Basically it sounds like a no thrills ZorroIII graphics
card based on the TI 34020.   I guess it time to give PP&S another call to
see whats up especially since they had that fire.

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