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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: The Millennium Falcon
From: <SML108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 15:06:35 EST
Organization: Penn State University

Atari management should consider renaming their new computer the Millennium
Falcon and change their slogan from "Power without the Price!" to
"Guaranteed out by the year 2000!"

At least they're giving out multitos NOW...  I almost feel sorry for them
at this point.  Unless Jack does something really drastic, maybe we really
ARE seeing the end of Atari...  But then again, I've been at this stage
before and they have survived...  We shall see...

Scott
From: timg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Tim Gallivan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Need plot-prg. -> .IMG
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:36:50 GMT
Organization: University of Texas Center for Relativity

Hi,

In article <1993Jan11.111311.774@email.tuwien.ac.at> nino@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Marinos Yannikos) writes:
>I need a program, which can read floating-point numbers in
>ASCII representation (eg. "0.333\n0.442...") and use them for
>plotting functions (the numbers are the function values).
>I need to be able to display a 3d-height field (a function
>F: [0,1]x[0,1]->R) and a 2d-grid with several functions
>plotted at the same time. The output should be a GEM .IMG.
>Does anyone know such a program? What about Gnuplot?

I believe the ST port of Gnuplot does everything you mention, except
output in IMG format. It does, however, have postscript output, which
can be printed or converted to IMG using ghostscript. Unfortunately
the axis labels and other text produced by gnuplot are not exactly
beautiful.

I have used Gnuplot on the ST a fair amount, and it seems quite stable.

-Tim Gallivan
timg@landau.ph.utexas.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mike@medsun.unige.ch (michel morris)
Subject: Re: Spectre & TT
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:31:26 GMT

In article <C0LFwz.6Dx@news.rich.bnr.ca>, bjgrier@bnr.ca (Brian Grier) writes:
> > I use floppy disks with Spectre 3.0 on my TT, all the time. But 
> > before I can do that, I have to perform a little voodoo, as follows:
> 
> > 1. Turn off CPU cache.
> > 2. From the Atari desktop, format a *double density* floppy.
> > 3. Launch Spectre.
> 
> > After that, I can read, write and format GCR disks without problems.
> > This works _every time_ on my TT, and at least one other that I know of.
> 
> According to Dave Small, on GEnie, you should not need to format
> a double density floppy, but you do need to access one. According 
> to Dave this causes TOS to set the floppy controller to the required
> density. Just thought I'd pass this along. However I can not confirm 
> this as I own Spectre 128 not GCR.
> 
I tried the "voodoo", to no avail.
Exactly WHEN does the TT need to access a DD floppy? Once you have gone into Spectre?

Mike M.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Mercury UUCP
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 08:25:45 GMT
Distribution: World
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.
Summary: WANTED MERCURY "PATHS" FILE STRUCTURE

Greetings,
 
 I have several users who call me via mercury uucp. However they are
 missing the PATHS file which stops them from sending email. Can some
 kind soul send me a copy via email so I can look at the file structure
 and then send it to them all made up.
 
 I hope someone in this news.group uses Mercury.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: wilsont@rahul.net (Timothy Wilson)
Subject: Help me find gcc-ld.ttp please.
Organization: a2i network
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:42:47 GMT

While trying to install Gcc on my system, I noticed there wasn't a linker.
After looking on atari.archive, i noticed there wasn't a linker anywhere 
to be found. 

Archie didn't reveal anything either.

if someone could point me to the path/filename, that would be great.
it is _not_ in Gnustuff/Tos/Gcc/gcc231b1a.zoo.  everything but the linker is!

thanks for the help!

-- 
Timothy Wilson <wilsont@rahul.net>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Editor???
From: bhawker@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 20:47:39 PST
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C.
Keywords: 1st Word Plus
Summary: ascii files

storm@fwi.uva.nl (Richard G.C. Storm (I89)) writes:

> I'm currently looking for a good editor for my atari.
> It has to save in ascii unlike 1st word does. If anybody
> knows which editor is good for that and where I can get it, I 
> will appreciate your help greatly.`
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> P.S. Or if anybody has a small programm to convert 1st word plus files
> to ascii files :-)
> 
> -- 
> Richard Storm, storm@fwi.uva.nl || 
> University of Amsterdam.
> 

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe you CAN save 1st Word Plus files
as ascii files by first switching off WP mode under the EDIT menu, then
saving the file.  In other words, open a previously created file, switch
off WP, then use SAVE AS... under the FILE menu, name it what you want,
and presto... ascii file! :-)

By switching off WP before creating a document, it will be saved directly
as ascii without any format or layout imposed by 1st Word Plus.

Hope this helps,
Bruce...

           bhawker@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Bruce Hawker)
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From: lho@ee.rochester.edu (<expired>)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: VIDI ST for sale
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:02:49 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science

I am selling my VIDI ST video digitizer.
Looking for $70 + shp.
Thanks
....
Ling CHerd
,
From: oconnor@took.enet.dec.com (My name is Joe O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Falcon, Falcon who has got a Falcon
Keywords: falcon when or rather if
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:04:50 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Well here it is January 8th and has anybody anywhere seen a Falcon for sale 
at a dealer.

BTW: I am not some Amiga fan I just seem to remember this happening before with
the ST Book, ST Pad, TT etc....

Later 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: klasmekj@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Kevin J. Klasmeier)
Subject: Re: Compatibles and stuff...
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:51:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.010921.25655@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) writes:
>>
>Atari Computer Corporation would pretty much have to fold. Atari Games is
>totally independent. And thinking that Atari Computer could survive solely
>on their Lynx and PC sales is pretty irrational, don't you think? You've

I heard Atari has already dropped the PC market, it was only 12% of
their sales....All I can say is GO FALCON030, FALCON040 or else???!!! 

"Throughout the past 10 years there has been many computer companies
come and go, but Atari still seems to stand." 

REMEMBER the ADAM?  


"If marketing a computer is so easy, then why is the PC market so big?"

Better play it safe than sorry when you build your own computer, hiding
under MICROSOFT is the only way to go, no one should bother creating a
better computer when the three giants control every move you make.


--Board of the conversation people....year after year after year....sigh


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                  | {Cincinnati, Ohio in the US of A}  | |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: seimet@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Uwe Seimet)
Subject: Re: MTOS
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
Distribution: eunet
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:19:48 GMT

wojuacac@w273zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Jung) writes:

>How is this M'TOS' availabel (is it ???)
Not yet, there are only prerelease versions for developers.

***************************************
*        Uwe Seimet                   *
*        seimet@rhrk.uni-kl.de        *
*        seimet@chemie.uni-kl.de      *
*-------------------------------------*
* I really hate this damned machine,  *
*     I wish that they would sell it. *
* It never does that what I mean      *
*     but only what I tell it.        *
***************************************
From: rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Greg Patten)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Question : ___ M-ROS ___
Date: 11 Jan 93 07:23:17 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au
Originator: rasas@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU

wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wells) writes:

>In article <743@vercors.frec.bull.fr>, heritier@delta4.frec.bull.fr (Franck HERITIER) writes:
>>Does someone know what is M-ROS for Atari ST ? What is the editor
>>of this multitask system ? Can you evaluate it ?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Frank.


>M-ROS!?  Maybe you mean M-TOS!?  (Correct me if I'm wrong).
I'm afraid you might be..

Maybe he means M-ROS..Which is some sort of program switcher included
in the Cubase package from Steinberg.

Frank, I'm not exactly sure what it does but I think you can have a few
programs in memory at the same time and switch between them, possibly even
run real time midi processors at the same time as your sequence. 
I haven't seen the editor.

That is, unfortunately, rather a large stab in the dark. I'm sure someone who
knows _exactly_ what it does will fill you in as I'd like to know too.
I do know, however, that it _HATES_ anything C-LAB so don't load in any
of thier editors!

Cheers,

Greg.
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From: Peter_Missel@k.maus.de (Peter Missel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Modular Macs (was: Good old Da
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:24:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: K.A52789
Organization: MausNet (Mitglied im IN e.V.)
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.16/hb

h>I still have nightmares of wrestling with the shielding on my MegaSTe.  I
h>find

What shielding? European Mega STEs dont' have shielding on top of the PCB, only
under it. Does the US version have metal shieldings?!?
From: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: InterZONE Design
Subject: Re: The fight of the FLAMERS!
	<1993Jan5.224229.1799@zooid.guild.org>
	<wmtwen.726328978@rw8.urc.tue.nl>
Reply-To: cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1993 17:45:48 EST

In <wmtwen.726328978@rw8.urc.tue.nl>, Erlend Nagel writes:
> Who wants to place any bets?
...
> The odds are a bit better for Mark K, but I have more respect for Darek
> M's opinions because he seems more knowledgable.
> But as we all know in flamewars facts are not as important as CAPITAL
> STATEMENTS!!!! 

Well, Mark's kinda busy over in comp.os.os2.advocacy right now, but then
again, Darek's probably busy working on MS's latest piece of bugware...

Kinda hard to call this one...  I'll put 100 bytes on Mark K though.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Last time on this one
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 11:31:02 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Parnell New Zealand.

cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (Chris Herborth) writes:

> In <C0Furt.I67@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, William Magro writes:
> > This, of course, doesn't change the fact that PC operating systems are  
> > crap.  Use that as your argument to promote the ST.
> 
> OS/2 2.x?  NeXTstep '486 (when it comes out)?
> 
 Chris,
 
 If you think about what we have enjoyed on the ST for the last seven
 years William is correct in what he says!


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From: marco@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (John Perry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: What terminal program should I use to call a UNIX machine from my ST
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 22:03:06 CST
Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada

I was wondering if anyone could recommend a modem/terminal program to use 
when I dial-up UNIX machines?

Thanks in advance.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: gregs@eskimo.com (Greg Sumner)
Subject: Re: What terminal program should I use to call a UNIX machine from my ST
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:30:17 GMT

marco@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (John Perry) writes:

>I was wondering if anyone could recommend a modem/terminal program to use 
>when I dial-up UNIX machines?

>Thanks in advance.

I'm using the Freeze Dried demo right now.  It works fine for the ansi
emulation.  I'd like to know if the shareware version has more emulation
though.  But I can say that the demo works fine.  It's a nice program,
once you get used to it.

I hear good things about Stalker too.

-- 
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Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems, Inc.
Seattle, Wa.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dcable@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dan Cable)
Subject: Re: A letter to Dave Baggett
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 05:17:49 GMT

Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes:


>>Yes it's true. However, that $15.00 version of OS/2 is a non-registered
>>beta version which is only liscensed until January 3, 1993. You wouldn't
>>want to have a pirated OS would you?

>Well, er..  my boss called IBM at the 800 number you provided on
>Molin's Den (thanks, Dan..!) last Friday, January 8, 1993, and
>IBM sold him a CD-ROM with OS/2 on it..  with nothing said about
>it being a beta copy..
> 
>They said two week delivery, but unofficially to expect it much
>sooner than that... so I guess we'll see when it gets here..
> 
>Heck.. at that price, I'm thinking of ordering one too..!
> 
>BobR

Not having it in my possession yet either, I only repeated what has been
posted in the OS2 newsgroups. Obviously, no one there is terribly
concerned about it as there were a few folks who just had to set there
clocks ahead before January 4th just to see what would happen. Nothing did.

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From: baffoni@phakt.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: zoo21.ttp
Date: 6 Jan 1993 15:37:50 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article <QVI0ZYE@math.fu-berlin.de> hohmuth@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de writes:


[good advice about case insensitve TOS deleted]

>Get yourself a command line interpreter (shell) like Gemini or gulam. Shells
>usually do not convert arguments to upper case.

	Not to knock your advice, but I have had a problem with zoo that I just
cannot figure out.  I am hoping that someone else with a similar configuration
can at least tell me that it _should_ work.

	I have TT with color/4MBST/1.44/TOS3.06/105MBinternal.

	With just AHDI5.0 loaded to mount my HD, I cannot run zoo on any known
good .zoo archives (uploaded them from the TT to a sun and unzooed them fine).
I have tried the "-extract" which should work regardless of case.  I have 
tried the zoo shell (.6).  I have tried using tcsh (with and without MiNT).
I have tried it on floppy without AHDI loaded.

	The symtoms are that I would run zoo, it would say "extracting filenam"
and then bomb with 2 bombs.  It will have created a zero length file named
filenam.  It does this (even the same number of bombs) regardless of method
of calling zoo. 

	To be completely honest, it had worked sporadically some 6-8 months 
ago before I had my machine upgraded to TOS3.06.  Then it stopped working (and
then I upgraded TOS).

	Does anyone have a clue as to what might be causing this?  Is there
a dip switch that might have been moved that normally wouldn't be causing 
problems, but interferes with zoo?

	Quester's Lzh has always (and continues to) worked.  If anyone has a
clue, please let me know.  I am presently trying to unzoo all of the MiNT/GCC
distribution disks and having to copy them to floppy, take them to my suite
mates computer to copy them, then unzoo them back onto the floppy, is starting
to drive me nuts.

	Thanks in advance for any help.

>Michael
>--
>Internet: hohmuth@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de

-=MikeB
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: Frank.Moehle@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Frank Moehle)
Subject: bug in gnu libs PL 85 ?
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:13:32 GMT

hello,

I have the following configuration :

Atari ST with 8 Mhz, 2.5 MB Ram, Tos 1.4, 85 MB HD,
and GCC 2.3.1 and the GNU libraries PL 85.
Recently, i found out something strange :
I have a program that allocated a lot of memory using "malloc",
but "free" won't free these blocks!
I re-compiled my sources with PureC, and everything was fine.
Also, adding the following lines to the top of my sources works :

 #include <osbind.h>
 #define malloc Malloc
 #define free Mfree

This way, I`m using the GEMDOS routines for memory allocation.


Frank.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: church@fraser.sfu.ca (Mike James Church)
Subject: Need cracked version of M1 Tank ... and Silent Service
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:26:45 GMT


I asked for help previously for a copy of Silent Service.  I was
worried about the original disk dying.  Well, it did.  The disk drive
toasted it, but the result is a disk with the 1 file, HISCORES.DAT.

Ahhh, well.  I bought M1 Tank Platoon and Silent Service II in PC
version as he had planned to buy one soon.  I then gave him my atari
and he doesn't want a PC.

Anyone with the cracked version of SS1, SS2, or M1 Tank platoon would
get my eternal gratitude and my firstborn.

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    church@sfu.ca

PS: Anyone try the game Sensible Soccer by Mindscape?  I'm thinking of
    buying it.  Your comments?

T H A N K    Y O U   V E R Y   M U C H 

Pirate flamers - go right ahead - I'm legal.  Well, sort of.  I _do_
have the manuals... just the wrong media.  Test me if you want...
From: dmb@case.ai.mit.edu (David Baggett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: The compatibility story (Falcon & A1200)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 02:59:19 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: case.ai.mit.edu

In article <1993Jan11.113722.5383@gdr.bath.ac.uk> mapmh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (M Hagger) writes:
>I'm curious, just what do you mean by shitty programmers?  In the real 
>world do you seriously expect game writers (ie people trying to screw the
>maximum performance out of a machine) to worry about their program being
>a little incompatible with future generations of chips?  

Yes.  Case in point of bad programming of this ilk: STOS.  Every time
the slightest change was made to the OS they had to send out an
update.  You don't have to break the rules to get the best performance
possible out of the machine.  Get things fast is one thing.  Getting
things fast, and properly, is far better.

>Particularly if they are not even aware of the these new machines etc
>when the software is written.

In some cases of course, they are victims of what you describe here.
If the computer company rips the rug out from under the programmers,
there's no one to blame but the company.  But Atari hasn't really done
that; they've said  (in their own muddled way) what you could and
couldn't rely on, and they've done pretty well at not screwing
programmers who followed the rules.

>Maybe you would prefer it if the games were a little slower or a little less
>impressive, but I certainly wouldn't.

Following the rules will NOT slow your program down.  Game Workbench
runs fine on Falcons and TT's, and we never had those machines to
develop on.  It was more time-consuming, in some sense, to be careful
to follow the rules, but doing so did not affect efficiency any.

Dave Baggett
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