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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: High-mount Rear Brake Lights
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:18:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxBKuw.A47
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <1992Nov6.134638.1425@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> mental@cntrol.enet.dec.com () writes:
>
>In article <Bx9s9s.KDx@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, 
>cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast) writes:
>
>	...stuff deleted...
>
>->And probably rearended right out of the lot by some stupid idiot who can't tell
>->the difference between the tail and brake lights.  The High-mounted
>->brake light is *VERY* effective in preventing rearend accidents.  I think in
>->some experiments (don't know particulars) there was a 60% reduction in rear
>->end accidents with the light.  Regs on lights *should* be (IMHO, OC) 
>->Halogens/Fogs/Running/TS mandatory in front, Marker/TS mandatory on both front
>           ^^^^
>->and rear sides, and Separate Brake/Tail and Amber TS/White Reverse in the back.
>
>	Great! Let's get more dillweeds driving around with their fog lights
>	on 'cause it 'looks cool'.
Or 'cause it's foggy?  Anyway foglights aimed upwards (blinding us) do 
absolutely no good.  Foglights should be mandatory equipment on cars, but 
they should be aimed corerectly.  But most Americans are to stupid to 
understand.  
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From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Are there any Luxary AWD?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 21:10:24 GMT


>	CU thinks that a car can be evaluated like a toaster, if their 
>readers need to be told that you can't drive a Jeep or Samurai like a
>Porsche, they shouldn't be driving anyway.  They compare cars like the Chevy
>Baretta (sp?) with the Nissan 240 and Toyota Celica, also, the Saturn SC, 
>Mazda MX-3 et al, with cars like the DiamondStar triplets.  What?  If you
>want to know what car to drive, get C/D.

I get C/D as well as other Car Mags.  But, what you say is soooo typical.
Find an example of some obviously wrong comparison. Show me an issue
where what they say is wrong.

>	Actually, no, my favorite cars _are_ big and fast sedans, out of
>german touring car mold, and including the Bonny SSEi (ugly side panels
>notwithstanding.) and BMW 5-series, Audi 100/200/V8, and MB 300 class.  Most
>people on this net don't seem to be talking about stupid egotrip cars like the
>diablo or F40, but down to earth transportation.  BTW, I also like the Audi
>100 wagons, MB TE's and BMW 5-touring.

And guess what CU LOVED the Bonny, MB 300 and BMW 5-series! 
If you think they judge cars poorly, then what do you say about
that?

john
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From: michal+@cs.cmu.edu (Michal Prussak)
Subject: Re: Ethanol blended gasoline
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:22:46 GMT

In article <1dbu53INN5ea@bigboote.WPI.EDU> walkerr@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Robert A Walker) writes:
>	Mt '78 Wagoneer "wow i can't believe it started" again"  after
>being driven 10 minutes and after haveing a tune up 2 months before hand
>had 0 HC and 0.00 % CO.  Believe it or not.  No catalytic converter or
>any real emissions stuff.
>

I believe it. My car had 0.01% C02 emissions (but it had 1200 HC) - I
had a hole in the muffler and it was sucking air. Of course, if your
car had the exhaust disconnected completely, then no wonder it got 0
HC and 0 CO2.

(The emissions device printed out that CO2 reading is too low to be
correct, and sure enough, I had an exhaust leak)

Michal
From: seningen@maserati.ross.com (Mike Seningen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Info wanted on leasing vs buying
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:56:10 GMT
Organization: ROSS Technology, Inc. Austin, Tx.

I when I was considering leasing a vehicle in Texas, I was informed that 
the equation was roughly.


Sales Price + 6% sales tax - Residual + Registration/etc, and this
is finanched at about 1-2% pts higher than purchase.

You have to fork out all of the sales tax as far as I understood it.

If the car was luxury taxable -- this was added to the financed part as well.

cheers,

mike

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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Underdrive pullys - Any experiences?
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:00:11 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <15440@auspex-gw.auspex.com> tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) writes:
>
>What kind of cars were these?  Perhaps the alternator provided is the
>problem and perhaps it wouldn't be a problem with a different car?
>
>The context of the "decision" was a discussion about the fact that
>i fly airplanes and noticed that the same voltage and load was
>occuring with idle and cruise power.  In view of that, we theorized 
>that at low RPM the alternator still put out sufficient power.
>
    Are you talking about a PLANE's electrical system or an
    automobiles?   I'm lost at how you could compare one to the
    other and expect a correct conclusion.  

    Not unless you fly your plane in stop and go traffic?

>
>Please note the use of the words "I imagine" and "(don't know for sure)"
>before you condemn a discussion offline.
>
    Hmmmm, well, I would certainly give more credit to the postings
    noting problems with dragsters and other hod rods with
    underdrive pulleys than to an unseen offline discussion about
    airplanes....

     
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From: dye@i88.isc.com (Ken R. Dye )
Subject: Re: Sticks are great--if they've got HP/Torque to back it up!
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:28:04 GMT

In article <1dpibgINNlf1@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:
>
>In a previous article, jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) says:
>
>>virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (Paul Virgo) writes:
>>>I think sticks are great if I'm driving a car with some oomph to it,or
>>>at least with a good horsepower curve('Stangs,F-bodies,the Dodge R/T's-Spirit
>>>and Daytona,'Vette,300ZX apply here--sorry if I missed your particular fave
>>>car). Otherwise--well--does nuthin' fer me.
>>
>>Actually you really want a stick when the car is underpowered or has a
>>particularly peaky power curve.  Since you completely control the
>>shifts you can keep the RPMs within the power band for optimum
>>performance.  Few autos let you do that.
>
>exactly! ever see an escort with an auto?..do not look if you suspect..it
>ain't a pretty sight! with lotsa power, it makes less difference in the

	Agreed.  On of the most horrid rental cars I ever have ad
was a 1.0 Geo metro with a 3 speed auto.  On the other hand,, one
of the funnest rental cars I've driven was a 1.0 Geo Metro...5 speed.
Had that thing on the rev limiter most of the time, foot mashed to
the floor, speed-shifting, clutchless shifting...and the thing still
got 35 MPG!

--Ken
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From: geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Honda to move HQ to US
Date: 11 Nov 92 03:11:33 GMT
Reply-To: geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Amos Tuck School
Disclaimer: I don't represent Dartmouth and Dartmouth doesn't represent me.

In <1992Nov9.185447.9684@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> fengxi@prancer.eche.ualberta.ca (Fengxi Zhou) writes:

>Now an interesting thought.  Does that mean Honda is as American as, say, Ford?
>and we can all go buy Honda and proudly say "we are buying American"?  Well,
>the name sounds a bit foreign.  But doesn't the helicopter giant Sikorsky
>sound a bit foreign, too?

Hey, the Vehicle Identification Number on my Civic starts with a "1" which
means the US Govt. considers my car a domestic product as it was assembled
in Ohio.
I did buy American as far as I'm concerned.

Of course, I could have bought some Chrysler product manufactured
exclusively in Canada if I really wanted an import.

-Geoff
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From: jailbird@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (serial killer)
Subject: Re: Auto-stick WAS:Re: FLAME! Only a manual
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:38:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.135637.11563@bsu-ucs> 01ksdavis@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu  
(Rebel without a clue.) writes:
> 
> 	Thought I would take the time to add one last thing before this  
thread
> totally dies out.  Certain cars that were made fit into neither  
category.  I
> used to drive one.  It is what I learned to drive on, and although I now  
know
> how to drive a stick, nothing is as exciting as this strange  
transmission that
> I learned to drive on.
> 
> 	It is known as the semi-automatic transmission.  Other names for  
it
> include clutchless transmission, and a personal favorite "AT", but you  
can only
> figure this out if you are reading the classifieds and see an ad for a  
pre-80
> VW bug or something of the like with "AT"

WEll, guess what they're still out there, try a Porchee 11 Cabrio with a 
tiptronic transmission, not too bad, tried it out last Tuesday, it's kinda  
a fun being a valet when you get to drive cars like that
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Rotary vs. Piston Engines
Date: 5 Nov 1992 22:19:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) says:

>In article <Nov05.024942.84051@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:
>>>How is the rotory lubricated?  Does oil get into the fuel?
>>
>>Yes, by design, rotary engines burn oil.
>

>   So do piston engines.  I dunno about other owners, but my rotary
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>   uses LESS oil than a Nissan Maxima when both are driven by me in
>   the same manner.  

i do not know how you can claim this. I drive the hell out of my car,
admitadly, i would never want to buy a car i had driven.  However, i have
driven two four cyl. putmobiles, and neither of  them used a drop of oil
ever!  i change oil every 2-3k.(occassionally i let it slip to 5, but not
if i can help it!!), have put close to 20k on my car in the last year,
well over half of that, i'm sure is at full throttle, either passing,
cruising :->, or just trying to get on the freeway.  my car has 98k on
it, and uses no oil whatsoever.  not even a touch lower on the ds.(of
course, you could use the argument that i haven't gotten out the graduated
cylinders and syringes yet, but that'd be silly!..:-)   )



BTW.i told how many miles i've put on just in case you thought it might
not be getting lubed properly, but i do not see how it could have lasted
20k, let alone the rest of themiles, w/o grenading or freezind if it were
improperly lubed.
DREW
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From: ICSBHK@ASUACAD.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Invoice price for '92 Mazda MPV
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:03:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: ASUACAD.92314.100329ICSBHK
Organization: Arizona State University

If anyone has bought an MPV recently, and assuming that you have gathered
info on it; invoice prices especially, could you forward to me the following
on a '92?  THANKS!!!

2WD 7 passenger w/ V6  MSRP - $17,365
dual air                    -   1,497
package "A"                 -   1,050
package "B"                 -   1,695
towing                      -     498

The info that I currently have is from Comsumer Guide, 1992 Cars and does not
contain them ("dealer invoice and lowest price not available at this time")
The dealer that I visited has their MSRP set at $18,480 but the option prices
do not differ.  Seems Mazda have raised their prices quite a bit!!!  They are
offering a $1,000 rebate thou.

  Bob
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: antkasx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Ken A. Sturrock)
Subject: Re: Rotary vs. Piston Engines
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:46:15 GMT

wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich) writes:

kw>	I've seen this mentioned more than once, and I also saw it mentioned
kw>	that the engines were quite clean running. 

Due to all the details about combustion chamber shape, a Rotary tends to be a
little bit dirtier than a piston engine.

Mazda's exhaust systems have always been very good at cleaning up the exhaust
as well as quieting down the noise. one of the problems with the original
"thermal reactor" emissions system was increased fuel consumption.


							-ks
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From: acunger@socrates.umd.edu (Arnie Unger)
Subject: Re: Saturn SC 'quirks'
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:11:51 GMT

There are some 'quirks' with my 93 SL1, too.  I wonder if anyone else
has this problem.  The Cruise Control is loud.  It engages fine and
operates fine.  However, when I disengage it through the brake,
clutch, or switch it off, it sounds like a large spring is disengaging.
It is very loud, and has woken my sleeping daughter up. (I'm not 
allowed to use it anymore with sleeping passengers!)  It also whaps
the gas pedal pretty hard, so that me be part of the noise.
--Arnie Unger (acunger@socrates.umd.edu)

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sliberm@nyx.cs.du.edu (Sergio Liberman)
Subject: Bell 990 radar detector (battery operated)
Summary: is it good?
Keywords: radar detector Bell
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 16:56:42 GMT


I bought a Bel 990 radar detector. This detector operates
with an internal 9V battery. It is capable of detecting all
3 bands (X, K and Ka). It cost $225.00 + 8.25% tax in NY.

The problem is that I do not have any information regarding
the performance of this detector, as compared to the Bel 966
or the Passaport. In the box of the detecotr, there was a 
marketing blurb stating that it uses DSP (digital signal processing)
to analyse the incoming signal.

If somebody knows what is the performance and if the DSP 
claim is true (what kind of processor they use?), please
post or email.

Thanks,
Sergio
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Xref: sparky rec.autos:26273 rec.autos.tech:15197
From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Was-Re: Saturn Polymer.....
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:32:19 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Enough of this bullshit. Move this useless ranting and miserable trash
to alt.timewasters.  Get a life....... Shouldn't you college boys be
studying partial diff-E-Q's or some other fun subject.
From: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Rotary vs. Piston Engines
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:45:06 GMT
Reply-To: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)

smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith) writes:

>Also, the engine [...] [is] quite dirty in terms of pollution because
>of the irregular (and continually-changing) topology of the ignition chamber.

I've seen this mentioned more than once, and I also saw it mentioned
that the engines were quite clean running.  Was this a problem with
the earlier engines?  I just had my recently-aquired '84 RX7 smogged
here in California, and the measurements were something like: Allowed
2.34, Actual 0.0002 for all the different types of measurements.
Seemed pretty clean to me.

--
Ken Wallich
wallich@ncd.com  
ken@wallich.com
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:55:10 -0500 
From: Edward Rosales Bella <eb2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Are there any Luxary AWD?

I was just wondering what type of Luxary cars are out on the market
today which would be good in the Snow.  I know there was the BMW 325IX
but since they are not producing those anymore what is out there?  send
e-mail to: eb2b@andrew.cmu.edu or post to the board.

Thanks, 

Ed
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bay@unislc.uucp (Bethanne Yukman)
Subject: Re: Exploding rear windshield
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:30:29 GMT

Never had a rear windshield break, but I did have a driver's door
window completely shatter for no apparent reason on my first
used-car, which was a little Porsche 914.  It was the dead of 
winter and I simply shut my door, and the glass window broke into a
million little cube-sized pieces (must have been safety glass).  A
neighbor who was watching thought it was very funny and she broke
into hysterics, while I just sat there with my mouth wide open --
wondering how much a new Porsche glass window was going to cost me.
I think there must have been an inherent defect, which was further
stressed by the cold....


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From: geiste@hsi.com (Doug Geiste)
Subject: Re: Service Engine Soon light
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:21:05 GMT

Thanks to everyone that responded to my car's problem. I ended up
bringing the car into a GM dealer and sure enough, what most people
suggested the problem to be, *was* the problem. The O2 sensor needed
to be replaced and the computer needed replacing. The dealer told
me that the board failed the "tap" test. If there's a broken run or
a component's flaky on the board, merely tapping the board
causes the light to come on. I didn't feel 100% comfortable with that
one, but from your responses, it seemed like what needed to be done 
anyway.

Unfortunately the whole job cost me $308.00  :-(.

Thanks again!

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From: v071pzp4@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Craig L. Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Odd stalling problem in '80 Olds Omega
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:53:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hmmmm. Lately, I've been noticing my car wants to stall out in
turns. Not at intersections or anything, only in turns taken
at a moderate speed (curvy roads, etc).

It feels like the engine isn't receiving fuel under moderate
centrifugal loads created by entering turns. Let me just say,
I'm not trying to pull 1G sideways or anything! These are
moderate turns taken at a moderate speed. It gets quite
annoying after awhile.

Is this normal for carburated engines like mine? Is there
anything I can do to correct or reduce the problem?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. E-mail or posting is
fine. Thanks,

Craig Cole
V071PZP4@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU
V071PZP4@UBVMS.BITNET
From: klui@corp.hp.com (Kenneth K.F. Lui)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Top 20 Selling Vehicles of 1992
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:23:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: scd.BxIoMC.Ir3
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company

In article <184195@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>   Are we talking about the "Ford" Probe here, or many of the
>   GM hybrids?
>
I was referring to cars like the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry.

>   I take it you haven't looked under the hood of the typical
>   'Ummerrrikun-by-Gawd" car lately.  
>
I personally have not disassembled an Accord or a Chevy F150 but
it seems to me that a lot of components like the ECU for an
Accord would be made by Hitachi while the F150's would be made by
Motorola.  A Honda radio would probably come from Matsushita (the
CD changers may be Alpine) while Ford's would probably be AC
Delco.  What about belts and hoses?  I don't know.  A lot of
components just aren't marked as to who made them so the customer
don't really have a good idea.  Who really makes the seats?  I
see no seat tag on any cars, "domestic" or "foreign."  The point
is I have a hard time believing a company saying "this is made
here or there" and not show me an itemized list of what's made
where (assembled doesn't count in my opinion).  This not only
applies to foreign companies but also U.S. companies, too.
There's no accountability and as a consumer, I want to be able to
make that decision based on adequate, cross-referenceable
information.


Ken
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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Analog Brake Light
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 17:24:06 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Speakin of brake lights.. hell analog schmanalog.. I'd just be happy
if all cars even had WORKING brake lights. Driving around here in
suburbia, there isn't a day that goes by that I don't get stuck behind
some moron with non-functional brake lights. And inevitably the
jerk is tailgating the guy in front of him and slams on his brakes
a few times just to make sure everything I have on my front seat
goes flying off into the footwells. 

Invariably, when I can't get around the jerk with no brakelights,
I start backing off to keep a safe distance, and then some other
idiot cuts in in front of me and starts tailgating the doofus with
no brakelights, compounding the problem. 

I yearn for the day that California has some money again and can
consider bringing back those Highway Patrol random car checkpoints.
I used to go out of my way to try to get stopped at those because it
gave me a great feeling of personal satisfaction to know that all
the safety systems on my car which they inspected (brake lights,
headlamps, turn signals, etc.) were fully functional. 

Please net.folks... don't just ASSume your brakelights are working.
Get someone to stand behind your car as you tap your brake pedal
and make SURE they work, or if you have no social life, back up close
to a wall and check them yourself sometime. 
Harv
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