HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (JIM GRAHAM)
Subject: Re: ParaNet Press Release
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Reply-To: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University Cyclotron Facility, Bloomington, Indiana
Distribution:  world
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:58:54 GMT

In article <1hv7vsINNasq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien) writes...
> 
>>The ParaNet UFO CONTINUUM is heard each Sunday evening at 9:00 
>>PM Mountain Time, 11:00 PM Eastern, via satellite Galaxy Six, 
>>Channel 17, Audio Channel 7.5 MHz.
> 
>What kind of equipment is needed to receive this?
> 
>David

A home satellite television system, capable of recieving C-band signals is
necessary.  The audio frequency of a given tv "channel" may be adjusted,
hence the ability to receive radio.

Jim Graham 

        -> ->Disclaimer: I do not speak for my company. <- <-
                          Neither do they speak for me.
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From: victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman) 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: RE: KIBOF
Date: 3 Jan 93 09:34:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Reply-To: victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman) 

-> By the way folks I'm on vacation right now so I can't post.
-> James_-_Kibo_-_Parry

So who cares?
                          
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Semi-moderated newsgroup idea
Date: Fri,  1 Jan 93 10:05:13 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear People: You people are truely amazing.
John Winston.
From: Lou@cup.portal.com (William Joseph Marriott)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Request for J-W FAQ
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 03:15:43 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <72385@cup.portal.com>

Is there an FAQ list for John Winston?

I'll say this about him. I like his signature.

-Bill
 lou@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Moderated Group/John Winston
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 23:12:16 GMT

In article <C03G2p.L38@moxie.hou.tx.us> anna@moxie.hou.tx.us (Anna Anderson) writes:
>
>alt.alien.visitors is the perfect place for John Winston's tales.
>
>However, I propose that a new group "alt.sightings" be made, and
>that it be moderated by Don Allen.
>--
>Anna
>


Why thank you for those kind words but I have my hands more than full
with the Fido UFO conference at present. I'm sure there's a few good
individuals here that could qualify.

Happy New Year!

Don

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From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: John Winston revealed
Date: 24 Dec 92 09:24:31 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <BzquFG.ILs@world.std.com>, kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
> In article <1h9rr6INN2p9@zikzak.apana.org.au> zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael_-_Saleeba) writes:
>>  I saw these two guys sitting at a computer and pointing and laughing
>>at the screen. At first I thought it was my good chum Kibo but they
>>didn't have a dog so I guess not. 
> 
> I don't have a dog... not since Spot fell on his pocket time machine
> (ouch) and it went off and sent him back to the days when the Earth was
> in liquid form.  Poor Spot!

Pocket time machine? How many pockets did poor Spot have?
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Dundee Institute of Technology	   Internet: Alan@DCT.AC.UK
Tel: (0382) 308810                 Int: +44 382 308810
              -- There is only one true conspiracy --
From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: January 3, 1993
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:19:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO

On  Sunday  evening,  January  3rd,  you  will  be  taken  on  an

incredible  journey back to July 1947.  To Roswell,  New  Mexico,

sight of one of the most important events in the history of  man:

the  crash  of  a disk, alleged to be an  alien  spacecraft,  the

recovery  of  alien  bodies, the subsequent  coverup  by  the  US

government, and more.  Join us on the ParaNet UFO CONTINUUM  with

our guest, Kevin Randle, co-author of UFO Crash at Roswell as  he

tells  of  his incredible investigation  uncovering  the  Roswell

incident.   That's  Sunday  evening,  January  3rd,  at  9:00  PM

Mountain,  11:00  Eastern.  We guarantee that the truth  will  be

stranger than fiction!

Join us on Galaxy Six, Channel 17, Audio 7.5 MHz.

Toll free call in lines are available.

--  
Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: ParaNet Press Release
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:06:01 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO

JOIN THE MOST INTERESTING HOUR OF TALK RADIO IN NORTH AMERICA!

ParaNet Information Services, a global UFO computer communications network, is
proud to present a new, weekly one-hour talkshow called The ParaNet UFO
CONTINUUM.

Aired via satellite with host Michael Corbin, Director of ParaNet, the program
is dedicated to uncovering the mystery of the UFO enigma featuring scientists,
researchers and witnesses otherwise inaccessible.  Listeners are invited to
phone in with questions over toll-free lines.

Some of the guests to appear on the ParaNet UFO CONTINUUM will be:

Don Ecker, research director of UFO Magazine.

Kevin Randle, co-author of UFO Crash at Roswell.

Linda Moulton Howe, cattle mutilation expert and Emmy award-winning documentary
producer.

And many, many, more!

Presently, this show is heard by an estimated 500,000 listeners via satellite
throughout the United States and Canada, and will expand to other radio markets
in the near future.

The ParaNet UFO CONTINUUM is heard each Sunday evening at 9:00 PM Mountain
Time, 11:00 PM Eastern, via satellite Galaxy Six, Channel 17, Audio Channel 7.5
MHz.

-30-

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UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG
From: Blair.Bingham@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Blair Bingham)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: abductions ???
Date: 26 Dec 92 21:24:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/816 - The Wrong Num, Jersey City NJ

Hi John, I would be intersted in that 400k of files about the greys, can you somehow send them to me?

Thanks,
 Blair
--  
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UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Blair.Bingham@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG
From: cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Paranet info request
Date: 21 Dec 1992 19:05:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


> Subscribe to infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com.

How is this done? 
Is this a bulletin board / news server a/la usenet or a mailing list?
I currently access usenet news through the Cleveland Freenet.
Can this be accessed through freenet?
Can I request that freenet subscribe to this, and then gain aceess?
Can I telnet to a bbs server that carries this?
Or is the only access via dial-up, and if so is there a local Cleveland number?
Is there a file that can be emailed to me describing paranet?

Please help, I would very much like to participate in a serious group discussion.

Thanks, David Stepien
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rkrouse@netcom.com (Robert K. Rouse)
Subject: Re: NASA antigravity patent
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 04:14:40 GMT


  I would like a copy of that patent too.


-- 
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  "No creature that is intelligent and with the right
   values is an alien to me."
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From: krenner@byron.u.washington.edu (Randolph Carter)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Mass sighting in Mexico?
Date: 2 Jan 93 06:04:41 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.u.washington.edu

>  I haven't subscribed to a.a.v in a while, those Zeta Grey and crystal
>freaks really took this place down a couple of notches, but if there's
>any "truth" (heh, I know, a relative term) I'd like to know.  
 
Uh...is that crystal as in new age crankery or crystal as in crank addicts?
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Enuf is enuf. Time for a moderated group...
Date: 26 Dec 92 01:40:38 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

Well, I think it is come time to start a moderated Ufology group. Winston
is scaring away an relevent discussions.

Does anyone know how to set up a moderated group?

-Garrett


Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: greg@katie (Greg Wells)
Subject: Re: Enuf is enuf. Time for a moderated group...
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:21:30 GMT

vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu wrote:
: Well, I think it is come time to start a moderated Ufology group. Winston
: is scaring away an relevent discussions.
: 
: Does anyone know how to set up a moderated group?
: 
: -Garrett
: 
:
Agreed.  I am interested in science. Not bullshit.

Greg Wells
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrest Aldrich)
Subject: Re: Enuf is enuf. Time for a moderated group...
Organization: Vision Graphics
			  Dover, NH
			  USA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:34:41 GMT
Reply-To: morwyn.uucp!forrie@unhtel.unh.edu (Forrest Aldrich - SysAdmin)
Distribution: USA

From article <1992Dec29.133210.17218@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
maz@Turing.ORG (Michael A. Zang) has written:
+--------------------
| 	I don't know haw to start a moderated group but will look into it
| if there's enough interest.
+--------------------

	I recently posted a recommendation for proceeding towards this... did
	this not get propogated through the net?

+--------------------
| I agree that Winston and other discordians
| should get off the planet NOW.
+--------------------

	I'm in agreement with you on this issue.  I have made use of my  Kill-File
	options, using 'rn', and it has made life much less complicated when
	reading this newsgroup; I do, however, sympathize with those who do not
	have the Kill-File options available on their newsreaders.  It's a drag
	to have to paw through some of the garbage posted here.

+--------------------
| UFOlogy isn't my main interest but i would
| be happy to moderate a group just to see a little good discussion again.
| When i first started reading this group it was fairly serious. Please
| post if you're serious in starting a moderated group.
+--------------------

	My only concern here is, perhaps, UFOlogy not being a main interest.  Yet,
	the flipside of the coin looks good, too, in that you would be less 
	likely to become biased and censor good postings that weren't in your
	area of belief.

	I think the main goal here with the moderated group is to weed out the
	obviously unnecessary ramblings that get posted here, and steer the
	discussion back into a serious forum.

	Personally, I would love to see ParaNet propogated into the Usenet
	areas; I doubt there is anyone out there currently who has or would
	be willing to spend the time doing this.

	In brief, my recommendations that I posted earlier were to include
	a group that was in the main-stream feed lines, and not an alt.*
	group.  This would provide for better propogation and perhaps even
	attract a better crowd...  I would like to hear input on this issue,
	and I will look into it.

	Forrest

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: FILE: HUFON report on Underground Base in Calif
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 19:59:08 GMT

In article <15231.2b3bb93c@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>In article <72389@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>> Dear Folks: I wouldn't recommend that you all go to sleep too soundly
>> yet. The battle is not won yet.
>> John Winston.
>
>This idiot's replies have all the ingenuity of a C- AI class project. Winston's
>ramblings would probably make a decent random number generator.
>
>It is time to moderate this group to get this shit out the group. He
>contributes *nothing* except weird cryptic messages that mean nothing to
>anyone. I used to enjoy this group earlier this year.
>
>Just today this idiot has posted over 15 2 or 3 line posts of meaningless
>drivel.
>
>-Garrett

Whatsamatta..can't figure out how to use a kill file,eh?

[sarcasm mode ON]

Geezz.."Let's moderate this newsgroup..I mean, just because I'm too
dense to figure out I have options like skipping the offending article
or using a kill file shouldn't prevent me from calling for a *Moderated*
newsgroup"

[sarcasm mode OFF]

And =who= would you have "moderate" this newsgroup? 

Yourself? 

meany,meany,meany...right Buck!
 
No thanks. 

Just what is it that you "supervise" in people ? You only supervise
that which is worthless. For =most= responsible adults, they supervise
themselves. It is only the twits that need to have a Moderator. To
be reminded of "rules"..to be reminded to "stay on topic"..to be reminded
to avoid ad homenim attacks on fellow users.


                  
                  Don Allen
             Fidonet UFO Echo Moderator


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From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: FILE: HUFON report on Underground Base in Calif
Date: 30 Dec 92 01:10:55 EST
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <harry.03we@elfuerte.fipnet.fi>, harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri Pesonen) writes:
> In article ??? vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>> In article <72389@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>> > Dear Folks: I wouldn't recommend that you all go to sleep too soundly
>> > yet. The battle is not won yet.
>> > John Winston.
>> 
>> This idiot's replies have all the ingenuity of a C- AI class project. Winston's
>> ramblings would probably make a decent random number generator.
>> 
>> It is time to moderate this group to get this shit out the group. He
>> contributes *nothing* except weird cryptic messages that mean nothing to
>> anyone. I used to enjoy this group earlier this year.
> 
> This idiot is the only reason why I read this group.  Gary Stollman was
> another, but I think John is even better!
> 

Well, in that case then perhaps we need a alt.fan.john-winston newsgroup, I
have never read anything in his posts which have anything to do with 
alien.visitors.

Since I don't have kill abilities with my newsreader I guess I will just stop
reading this group since the content doesn't grok with the newsgroup
title anymore.

It worked John! I am leaving.

-Garrett


> -- 
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From: zik@zikzak.apana.org.au (Michael_-_Saleeba)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: John Winston revealed
Date: 24 Dec 1992 01:07:34 +1100
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au

 As a special Christmas present for you all I have found out some
really interesting things about John Winston and I'm going to tell
you. I guess you might say all I've got for your Christmas present and
its not good enough haha. Anyway at first I thought that maybe this
was so secret that I'd get people to talk to me about it in private
email but I think the world should know about it so here goes. Before
you all ask where I got this information I'll tell you. I trust this
source implicitly because it came from my own head! I had a dream like
all the best paranormal people do and I guess it was a vision, because
it was all sort of wavy and hazy around the edges like they do on tv.
  I saw these two guys sitting at a computer and pointing and laughing
at the screen. At first I thought it was my good chum Kibo but they
didn't have a dog so I guess not. And they had all these sheets of
paper pinned to the wall with "John Winston - character", "John
Winston - grammatical style", "John Winston - typographical style".
And they had this huge pile of "National Enquirers". They were writing
this thing on the computer and they signed it with John's name! That
was the really wierd bit. I don't understand it. Maybe it's Freudian
or something. Anyway John you'd better watch out because there might
be people forging things like they came from you.
 Anyway, Christmas cheer to you all. All cheer at Christmas! Yay! haha
Michael Saleeba.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: FILE: HUFON report on Underground Base in Calif
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 02:22:03 GMT

In article <15231.2b3bb93c@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
>In article <72389@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>> Dear Folks: I wouldn't recommend that you all go to sleep too soundly
>> yet. The battle is not won yet.
>> John Winston.
>
>This idiot's replies have all the ingenuity of a C- AI class project. Winston's
>ramblings would probably make a decent random number generator.
>
>It is time to moderate this group to get this shit out the group. He
>contributes *nothing* except weird cryptic messages that mean nothing to
>anyone. I used to enjoy this group earlier this year.
>
>Just today this idiot has posted over 15 2 or 3 line posts of meaningless
>drivel.
>
>-Garrett
I enjoy alt.alien.visitors but have the same complaint.  This Winston person
floods the newsgroup with his one-liners, and they aren't even relevent
to anything else that has been posted.

I've seen the AI-experiment theory put forth as an explanation to many of the
more stupid things posted on the net.
Simon

Newsgroups: alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk,alt.cascade
From: jonathan@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Jonathan L Neuenschwander)
Subject: Re: Did someone say KASKADE?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 23 Dec 92 03:51:49 GMT

michael@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael George Williams) writes:

>In article <1992Dec18.102130.9189@ousrvr.oulu.fi> ano@phoenix.oulu.fi (A.M. Rutanen) writes:
>>Michael George Williams (michael@gibbs.oit.unc.edu) wrote:
>>: In article <1992Dec14.210601.3149@ida.liu.se> e91petmo@odalix.ida.liu.se (Peter /\/\odin) writes:
>>: >drayer-rebecca@yale.edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
>>: >
>>: >>In article <1992Dec12.225213.25213@samba.oit.unc.edu> michael@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael George Williams) writes:
>>: >>>In article <Bz52tF.Kzx@news.udel.edu> bjacobs@brahms.udel.edu (William J Jacobs) writes:
>>: >>>>>
>>: >>>>>You win.
>>: >>>>Huck Finn
>>: >>>I give in.
>>: >>Live in sin.
>>: >I'm Rin Tin Tin.
>>: We'll fence you in.
>>Where's the dustpin ?
>It's in the fen, so bring it in!  Where've you been, you crazy hen!

Playing it cool (freezing actually) in Michigan.

(Okay, okay, I haven't been to Michigan in months, but hey, Indiana just
doesn't rhyme!  :-)

Jonathan


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|__||Neuenschwander|NeXTmail:buzz@symphony.cc.purdue.edu  |would destroy, they
|   |              |America Online:Buzz Lee               |must first drive mad
 
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|   |              |America Online:Buzz Lee               |must first drive mad
From: tza00@ccc.amdahl.com (Theo Albers)
Newsgroups: alt.california
Subject: Re: Emigration to US/CA
Date: 22 Dec 92 16:34:20 GMT
Reply-To: tza00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Theo Albers)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Dec22.150545.24919@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> G.Coulter@Daresbury.AC.UK writes:
>
>(1) ... Will I struggle getting work after graduating over here with a
>        good degree in computer science. I would like to work in animation
>        & graphics although I am flexible I am also interested in movie
>        special effects.

California has one of the highest number of people unemployed and especially
in your area of computer science a job is not always easy to get. I get an
increasing number of calls from employment agencies offering contracting help
which means there are a lot of people out there who are in need of a job.
Experience is one of the things they are after these days. Just finishing    
a study may make it a lot harder.

>(2) ... Is it easy to come over to CA. from the UK visa/imigration wise
>        and is it relatively easy to get a work permit. 

You can probably only get a work permit with a job offer in hand. You could
come in as a visitor and try to find a job. Than get the company provide
you with a H1 visa. No matter what, its the chicken and egg syndrom, you cant
get a job without a permit but you cant get a permit without a job (offer).

>
>(3) ... Cost of living? Cost of houses/flats/appartments to buy & Rent?
>        just on average.

Here in Silicon Valley, San Francisco Bay Area, rent for appartment is approx
$ 700 and up (unless you want to share) and buying apartment is $ 85K and up
to lots and lots for houses.


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Newsgroups: alt.california
From: Ashley@chaz.demon.co.uk (Charles Ashley)