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From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Physician's Incomes
Keywords: income
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:23:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <gdavis.724433998@griffin>, gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis) writes...
> 
> According to the December Scientific American,American physicians
>are among the best paid in the world.
>The lead article,which describes problems and policies concerning
>the control of health-care costs,cites USA MDs making a 120,000
>per year salary which equates to 5.1 times the salary of the average
>professional wage. Switzerland and Germany compensate physcians at
>approximately 3.5 to 4.5 times the average professional wage.
>I was surprised to see physicans in Australia compensated at only
>twice the average. The average international compensation seems to be
>about 2.5 to 3 times the average professional wage.
> 
>I was somewhat disappointed that the article did not cite which nations
>have national healthcare and what qualifications are required to practice
>medicine. In the USA educational requirements are quite extensive and in
>some cases expensive. As well USA MDs must complete at least two years
>of post graduate internship and I believe if a speciality is sought,
>this requirement becomes even more extensive.

Exactly.

>In any event 120,000 per annum

What's the point?  I don't think this is excessive.  They must 
put in 4 years of undergrad school, 4(?) years of medical school, 
then usually they're residents for varying amounts of time.  The
higher paying specialties generally have longer residency 
requirements.  While they are residents they do not make a lot - 
high 20's to high 30's I would guess.

Once they are making the "big bucks," the ones who do surgery 
must respond to patient complications day or night.  Also, they 
have high insurance costs, and all the expenses associated with 
running an office.

Personally, I don't like socialized medicine.  (Maybe I've been 
involved with New York State too long?)  I like the fact that 
people who are willing to work long and hard are rewarded for 
their efforts.  Socialized medicine would encourage mediocrity.

- Peggy -
From: dgren@omar.WPI.EDU (David Gerard Grenache)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: aids testing and insurance
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:02:52 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Dec17.195035.543@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:

>I also offered to be given
>any sort of physical they deemed fit, including an HIV test, by a physician of
>THEIR choice, but I insisted that it be performed by a physician, in a medical
>facility.

Do you think that the HIV assay is actually performed by a physician?  
Guess again.

>Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
>Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA

I think the whole purpose of them sending someone to your house was for
your convenience.  After all, the test is going to be done if you want
the insurance.  As long as it is done by a reputable laboratory (which
you can easily check yourself) there is no cause for alarm.  However,
if you don't want a nurse/phlebotomist coming to your house that is
your choice and I don't argue with it, but it certainly would be easier.
I had the nurse meet me at work when I applied for a policy....maybe
you would consider that?

--David Grenache
From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Peter Breggin, _Toxic Psychiatry_ (Q)
Date: 16 Dec 92 16:21:39 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com


In article <1992Dec16.150509.18415@athena.mit.edu>, jgnassi@athena.mit.edu (John Angelo Gnassi) writes:

|> Oh, so you think a patient with unclear thinking, poor understanding,
|> and in danger of harming self or others should decide?  "Or does
|> some psychiatrist or group of psychiatrists decide?"  Clearly, I choose
|> the latter.  For severe disease, as someone else pointed out, you
|> don't need psychiatrists because you can identify these people
|> a block away.  Go downtown in any large US city and look.

Go downtown in any large US city and look around.  You will find various
people engaged in what you may take to be criminal activities.  They
should simply be locked up without bothering with the due process
guarantees of the constitution, right?  You don't need courts, you don't
need a jury of peers.  These people are easy to identify.

|> Oh, there's no systematic way of describing psychiatric disease,
|> or evaluating treatment?  If you believe that, then I don't think
|> it's possible to convince you of the efficacy of psychiatric therapy.

Ah, so you *do* see the relationship!

|> >The question, of course, is whether underlying the set of symptoms there
|> >*is* a disease.
|> 
|> This is a definitional question which could be applied to any set
|> of symptoms.  I don't care whether you call schizophrenia a disease
|> or a syndrome; it clearly results in suffering for the patient and
|> society.  From a more philosophical perspective, diseases are very
|> culture-dependent; I don't propose a new system of context-independent
|> disease modelling.

Antibiotics seem to work in an amazingly cross-cultural way.  I wonder
why.
-- 
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From: kpc@pluto.arc.nasa.gov (k p c)
Subject: brain disease newsgroup
Originator: kpc@kronos-ethernet.arc.nasa.gov
Reply-To: kpc@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center AI Research and Aero Branches;
	Sterling.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:01:39 GMT

(in response to "gordon e. banks" <geb@cs.pitt.edu>'s post.)

i think it's inevitable that the group will split.  imho it's better
that it split right than split wrong!  a brain group is better than a
flake group, for all the reasons i gave in my news.groups article.

the best compromise seems to be sci.med.brain.
-- 
i'm open to comparing research career notes with other young cogsci people.
Newsgroups: sci.med
From: bron@iastate.edu (bronwyn)
Subject: Re: Records, Medical, Online, Internet, ftp
Originator: bron@aviator.cc.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 10:25:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec1.020117.2543@cnsvax.uwec.edu> nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) writes:
>I think what he wanted to be able to do was tell some agency calling for
>his records to get them off the net instead of making him go through the
>hassle of requesting them from his doctors each time. 

I haven't seen this brought up, but at least *my* hospital isn't on the
Internet.  I highly doubt it's on any net, save the horrible Snoball 
mainframe it's using.  And indeed, I'm quite sure that most departments 
at my hospital probably a) have no modem at their disposal, b) have no 
download technique, c) wouldn't accept anything but photocopies, and d) 
wouldn't want to incur the expense of calling up a "internet access for 
$389.78/minute" service.  

Comments?

--
Bronwyn J Scrutton                                          bron@iastate.edu
Project Vincent                                               (515) 294-4994
                    If it's not one thing, it's Bronwyn. 


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From: earl@well.sf.ca.us (Earl C. Vickers)
Subject: Re: FAQ (or can I) Drug data on the net
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:12:40 GMT


I don't know of any internet source of drug data (unless you count
telneting to compuserve), but Iquest has a database called
Drug Information Fulltext, which I think is basically the same as
the book _Drug Information_, by the American Hospital Formulary Service.
Iquest can be accessed via Compuserve, and a search is around $9 plus
connect time. (Or you could just by the book, for (I believe) around $150.)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Adiposity 101
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 15 Dec 92 09:00:54 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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In <1992Dec15.032533.28005@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com writes:

> In my case, it isn't available to me in Massachusetts, because the
> Board of Registration in Medicine has prohibited M.D.'s from prescribing
> any drug with sympathomimetic properties for the purpose of weight loss.
> (That fenfluramine has few sympathomimetic properties is neither here
> not there.)  I do not know if there is such a restriction in Oregon;
> this is a very typical reaction for Massachusetts, IMHO.

Gee, then I wonder how Mrs. Dukakis, wife of the governor of Massachusetts (who
surely must have lived in Mass. at the time) became addicted to diet pills &
had to undergo a drug treatment pgm. to get off of them?  I guess she myst have
been "addicted" to those legally prescribed drugs "without sympathomimetic
properties", eh? ;-) ;-)

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: dag@col.hp.com (David Geiser)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: A/C Magnetic Fields and Cancer (II)
Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:56:57 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hplsdor.col.hp.com

PCBs were/are common in the power utility.  A serious flaw in the
study is the failure to discriminate between EMF exposure and
carcinogin exposure.
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From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: amantadine question and observation
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:04:51 GMT


Last Saturday evening, my daughter started to get quite sick. I
presumed it was the flu because my wife and I were both recovering from
it. Having heard that amantadine, administered early in the flu, reduces
the symptoms, I called the family doc's service (and got a substitute).
She questioned me, and then said that since my daughter didn't have much of
a fever, that she couldn't diagnose the flu and thus wouldn't prescribe
amantadine ("it might be only a cold"). A couple of hours later my
daughter's fever went past 101 and amantadine was prescribed and used.
The next day, she was much less sick, and by Monday went back to school
(this is finals week) with minimal symptoms. Thus it appears that the
amantadine had a remarkable effect.

My questions:
  -why not prescribe amantadine for a cold?
  -what are the possible adverse effects of taking amantadine?
  -is amantadine usually this effective when given within a few hours
   of the start of flu fever?
-- 
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From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk)
Subject: iritis
Summary:  why?
Keywords: iritis, ankylosing spondylitis
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:13:59 GMT

i am currently suffering from iritis (treated with steroid drops.)

i haven't explored the matter in all directions with my
opthalmologist, so i am looking for information along the lines of:

what causes iritis? ( agents, use,  whatever is known.)

why is iritis fairly common in ankylosing spondylitis (which i also
suffer from)?

my guess is that the only answers are that no one knows.
-- 
arthur wouk 
internet: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu


-- 
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From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Data interchange with HL7 - What is it?
Date: 12 Dec 92 23:34:03 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

[reply to becker@med-in.uni-sb.de.med-in.uni-sb.de]
 
There is an HL-7 list whose server is at virginia.bitnet.  I'm sure they
will have some useful information files available as well.

David Nye
nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu
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From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
Subject: Re: aids testing and insurance
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 09:38:28 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.

ark@alice.att.com (Andrew Koenig) writes:

>>Interesting.   Wasn't there a Privacy Act in about 1969 or something like that
>>which guarantees me access to any database information kept by some third 
>>party about myself?  I oughta look it up.

>I'd appreciate hearing what you find.  I suspect that any such act
>specifically exempts medical records.

The offending entity is called the MRB (Medical Records Bureau??? I know
the acronym but I may be incorrect on the meaning) and you have a right
to access the information contained therein.  

The MRB is probably the most intrinsicly evil and least known personal
information database in the US.  It is operated by a consortium  of
insurance companies.  Anytime any bit of medical information about
you falls in the hands of a member insurance company, it gets 
stored in the MRB.  MRB probably has a larger medical history on you
than does your doctor.  Because there are few controls over the 
content, the data is likely corrupt.

While you have a right to see the information, MRB refuses to release
it to anyone other than an MD.  I'm not sure how Ga's medical records
law affects this situation, as I lived in TN when I had my runin with them.

I was denied disability insurance on the basis of a erroneous data in my
record.  I was recorded as having a heart condition when in reality
the only heart-related medical procedure I've ever had was a stress-EKG
done to rule out cardiac problems while my MD was trying to treat stress-
related chest wall muscle spasms masquerading as chest pains.  At least
as of 1987 when I was denied, there was no legal means short of a lawsuit
to force them to correct the records and they refused to do so otherwise.

I don't have any contact info for MRB, though that can be pried out of
your insurance company with a bit of effort.

John
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: plaque
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Distribution: sci
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 02:22:39 GMT

In article <ARA.92Dec20190931@camelot.ai.mit.edu> ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler) writes:
>In what ways is dental plaque different from the plaque that accumulates
>in arteries?

They're identical.  In fact, a common cause of early senility is
atherosclerotic plaques which come from too infrequent brushing,
hence the term "mental floss".

I prefer a professional cleaning done twice a year by my favorite
cardiothoracic surgeon or neurosurgeon, depending on which arteries
are dirtier.  _Don't_ let a dental assistant try this; they tend to
mess up, especially when their instruments get caught on a particularly
tenacious plaque.


-- 
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Newsgroups: sci.med
From: ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Amir Batouli")
Subject: Re: New study on prostate cancer
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:15:04 GMT

There is a non invasive way to look for prostate tumors by
measeuring the antibodies in a blood test. It really works and
is easily performed.
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Subject: Re: aids testing and insurance
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 19 Dec 92 14:26:59 EDT
 <1992Dec11.104956.517@news.wesleyan.edu> <BzCqso.Gr2@sdf.lonestar.org> 
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In <24442@alice.att.com> ark@alice.att.com writes:

> In article <1992Dec17.195035.543@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
> 
> > You're right.  The complaint about the sterility of the kit isn't really my
> > main problem with the whole thing (so I shouldn't have mentioned it).  My main
> > problem with the whole thing is that I don't like the idea of my life insurance
> > company invading MY HOUSE in order to test me for AIDS.  My home is my castle. 
> 
> That is probably exactly the reason they *did* want to send someone
> to your house: to find out if there's evidence of any high-risk behavior.

Whatever would they expect to find?  Used condoms strewn about the floor?  A
shooting gallery in my dining room?  How, pray tell, can they discover any
information about my risk of contracting HIV infection by looking 'round my
house?  Would I be a lower risk if I lived in a wealthy neighborhood?  If I
were white?  If I didn't own a double bed? If I have lotsa copies of LESBIAN
ETHICS lying around?  Sheesh!  (I guess if it were possible to assess
accurately someone's risk of HIV infection by looking at their house we'd have
a lot fewer cases of sexual transmission of the HIV virus, eh?)

> An interesting experiment: ask if they'd be willing to send their
> phlebotomist to meet you at in a hotel room somewhere.

Yeah, right.  Then I'd probably get a little note in that same file saying that
"my living circumstances" looked as though I might be engaging in prostitution,
a high risk behavior.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: sci.military
From: Don Palmrose <dpe@inel.gov>
Subject: Re: WW2 BARRAGE
Organization: INEL EG&G Idaho
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:33:55 GMT


From Don Palmrose <dpe@inel.gov>

In article <BzD4rK.Iwn@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, jeff stump/lml2 <jeffs@austlcm.sps.mot.com> writes:
> 
> 
> From jeff stump/lml2 <jeffs@austlcm.sps.mot.com>
> 
>   Hello all. I have a question concerning barrage balloon's used during WW2.
> I don't think I quite understand how they worked. Did they have multiple
> purposes ? Were they effective ? 
>   I have always wondered this ?
> 
> 
> --
> ***********************************************************
> **  Jeff Stump                                           **
> **  Motorola Inc, Austin, Texas                          **
> **  E-mail:  jeffs@austlcm.sps.mot.com                   **
> 
> 

There purpose was IMO to prevent low altitude attacks which are the most 
damaging since they are the most accurate.  By discouraging any strafing
or dive-bombing (ruins a pilot's day when his wings get caught in the 
wires), the attacking planes would have to stay high or, if they come in
below the balloons, then they cannot make any quick turns so it is easier
for the AAA batteries to shoot them down.

Hope this helps.

Don Palmrose
"There are only two kinds of ships.... Those that project power onto shore
and those that protect or support the power projectors."



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From: Adrian Hurt <adrian@cee.heriot-watt.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Dueling Battleships
Organization: Dept of Computing & Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:30:25 GMT


From Adrian Hurt <adrian@cee.heriot-watt.ac.uk>

In article <Bz20nE.8rL@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> bakc@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR KR COMAN) writes:
>
>	Did the Bismark have a radar gunnery capability?  I seem to 
>remember that it was not so fitted.  Any radar set on the Bismark might
>have been pretty primitive -- maybe only useful for navigation purposes in 
>coastal waters?

I don't know if it was any good for gunnery, but the Germans certainly had
radar capable of tracking a ship because the book "Pocket Battleship"
describes how the Admiral Scheer tracked a ship at night using its radar.
They didn't attack until day because, even if their radar was suitable, it
would not have told them if it was a British freighter, someone else's
freighter or a liner.  Only the first of those would have been a legitimate
target.  This was before the Bismarck's voyage, because one of the crew's
fears was that they might run into the Hood.

Radar was still secret at that time, even though both sides had it.  So when
the Scheer's propaganda cameraman asked one of the crew how they were able
to keep track of the target in the dark, the crewman replied "Oh, we get an
extra ration of carrots". :-)

-- 
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From: Andre Molyneux <andrem@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com>
Subject: Escalator on Carrier
Organization: NCR Corporation -- Law Department
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:23:41 GMT


From Andre Molyneux <andrem@pyrman2.mis.pyramid.com>

While on vacation in South Carolina last month, I had the opportunity to
visit the Patriot's Point naval and maritime museum.  The museum consists
of the aircraft carrier Yorktown, destroyer Laffey, submarine Clamagore,
nuclear merchant ship Savannah, and a Coast Guard vessel whose name escapes
me.

While touring the Yorktown, I ran across something that surprised me.  On
the way back down from the flight deck and superstructure, the tour path
took you down an escalator (looked just like one in a mall or department
store).  I assume that it belongs there and wasn't added after the carrier
was de-commisioned (since it was non-functional, after all).

Due to the path that the self-guiding tour takes you on, I wasn't sure
what level I was at when I ran across the escalator.  My wife asked me
why it was there, and the only thing I could figure was to take loaded-down
flight crews from the ready-room level to the flight deck.  Makes more
sense than an elevator, since you can still climb up by yourself if power
fails.

Can anyone tell me if my guess was on the money?  Does anyone have an idea
when they started putting these things on carriers, and if the practice still
continues?

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