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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Happy birthday to me...happy birthday to me...
Date: 7 Jan 1993 16:20:36 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: tbone3.cs.itc.hp.com

aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org> writes:
> 
> 
> Subject line sez it all folks...I now as old as I feel... :-( ....
> 

This guy will do anything for some attention... sheesh....


Hippo Birdie!!  (ya old fart!)


Dave
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul (Cliffy) Palmer)
Subject: difference between bad and good.
Reply-To: palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov
Organization: New Technology, Inc.
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:39:01 GMT

Sometimes it amazes me that the difference between a good and a bad
game can be such a simple thing...

Open bowling yesterday (first games of the year...*sigh*), after not
bowling for two weeks (to rest up and heal), it felt like I was bowling
very well, but I kept bowling these 120-130 games...*ungh*...I was
consistently hitting the pocket and consistently leaving trash....Then
inspiration hit me like a 16# ball on the foot...they do allow you to
adjust in this game...*duuuhhhh* (see what two weeks without bowling
does to the brain!)

Anyway, I adjusted my mark by one board and and slowed down the ball
just a little and voila!

	7/  X   X   9/  X   X   X   X   9/ XX9
	20  49  69  89 119 149 178 198 218 247

Next games were a 208 and a 222...

I am a 160-170 bowler and have never bowled a 600 series...  These
games were cross-lane...now if I can just reproduce this under league
conditions :-)

This game never ceases to fascinate me....120 pins in one little
adjustment!

---
Paul (Cliffy) Palmer
New Technology, Inc.
700 Boulevard South, Suite 401
Huntsville, Alabama 35802
 
Internet:	palmer@Trade_Zone.msfc.nasa.gov.
Telephone:	(205) 461-4569


Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jfk@ais.org (Jim Knight)
Subject: Re: (whine) I wanna hook like the guys do!
Organization: UMCC
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 03:36:31 GMT

L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

>  I don't mean to throw a straight ball...I just got a 13lb gyro, fingertip
>drilled with finger inserts, & a Robbie wrist brace.  I had been throwing a
>10lb white Maxim (cheap plastic) ball for over 5 years, & over the last year
>got a yellowdot (12 lbs) drilled fingertip, & then my present gyro. But, it
>still goes straight...sigh...I do know why...I've been teaching the finger-
>tip type throw for 3 years to advancing youths (one of whom shot a 300 last
>summer) & I have completed Fred Borden's advanced coaching school, but my
>wrist strength just won't allow the proper lift off the fingers...my wrist
>is so glad to get that weight off of it, the as I'm in the downswing, just
>before the lift & follow through, the ball comes off my flat hand position.
>(& then I'm able to do a picture perfect lift & follow-through...I'm just
>missing a ball to do it with!?!:-})  So, yes, I do throw a straight ball,
>I don't wanna, but until I build up more strength (& the arthritis goes away
>for the summer) I do...sigh...

  Ever try anything a little more substantial than the Robbie Wrist Brace?
  Maybe something like a Cobra or the like?

  Jim
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: cwm54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: dry lanes
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:36:27 GMT

In article <131@ddn-wms.nmi.com> wrwalke@ddn-wms.nmi.com (William Walker) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.192847.3338@cas.org>, cwm54@cas.org writes:


  [stuff deleted]
>
>>     Now
>>     that I am a more serious bowler dry lanes are the bane of my existence.
>>     I have a blue nitro, a beast and a vector one. Sometimes I can't even
>>     get the vector in the brooklyn side, much less the other two balls. What
>>     do you guys do to adjust to extremely dry lanes?


       [stuff deleted]


>
>my immediate rection to your description is that each ball you have
>is for you an "everyday ball".  most of us are prone to this mistake.
>it is hard to buy a $100 toy, and then throw it once, say "wow, it really
>goes straight", and put it in the bag for special occasions.


    I think you just hit the nail on my head.. 8-)

    But I'm curious, how do you guys who have more than three or four balls
    deal with transportation etc. of said balls. Do you take ALL of them
    to the lanes? I mean you never know what kinds of conditions you'll
    face.




	 Carlyle
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: cwm54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Adjusting??? What that is???
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:54:01 GMT

In article <93007.100514MAX@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <93006.58698.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>,
>L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM says:
>>
>>  I am currently bowling in a league that scheduled  15 minutes after the
>>lanes
>>are soaked with oil.  Before 5pm, I have some really good (for me) games, but,
>>after 5pm, I get to put into practise, the art of adjusting.
>
>This reminds me of a "childhood" story.  A high school buddy and I used to
>skip our last period study hall somewhat regularly when we were seniors and
>we'd go bowling.  Remember now, I'm one of the "REAL" bowlers who scoffs (HA!)
>at these imitation bowlers lugging around between 5 and 37 bowling balls; I've
>carried only one bowling ball at any given time all my life.  Maybe if others
>had my high school bowling experience they could adjust without changing
>equipment too.  The time that we left school to bowl was always a little
>sooner than the house would start oiling the lanes for that night's leagues.
>Almost every time we bowled, we would need to pause for a moment somewhere
>during our games to allow our pair to be oiled.  That's right; throw a few
>shots, get all lined up, and then have your lanes oiled, and keep right on
>bowling with the same hard plastic ball.  Yes, this is the true meaning of
>adjusting to lane conditions.
>
>There seems to be a lot of "one house" bowler talk going on here too.  Last
>year I bowled two leagues a week in different houses (one synthetic and one
>wood) with little difficulty.  I take my bowling ball with me sometimes when
>I travel.  Last time I did this was at Showboat Lanes in Las Vegas.  I don't
>know what the big deal is.  I grab my one bowling ball and throw it at them
>pins and adjust 'til I can hit 'em.  It works the VERY SAME way at EVERY
>house I've ever bowled in!




	Do you bowl a straight ball?
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: gross@toucan.cis.ohio-state.edu (michael anthony gross)
Subject: The way it is...
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:51:41 GMT


If somebody can average 200 with a 'true' straight ball that's great, their 
accuracy is better then mine and  they can bowl anywhere with no problems.  
Somebody complained about the crankers who just stand left and throw right 
(right hander) and just blow the pins apart with an area of 5 or more boards.
Well, I hate that too, but when the lanes are set for the 'average' bowler
with certain 'oil patterns' (aka-dry lanes) you will get a 170 bowler with
a new 'techno-ball' doing just that.  However if you put oil from 5 to the  
gutter guess what happens to this guy(or gal)...swish,slide,and thump into the
gutter.  Oil is the true determiner of a good bowler because to be able to
score on a truely 'flooded' condition you have to be accurate, consistant (sp),
and fluid in everything you do.  Just a little mistake sends the ball sliding.
I feel more satisfied with a 200 on a 'wet' condition then a 230 on a 'dry'
condition.  Why do you think the pro's bowl on so much oil, because that is 
what makes the game more difficult.  If the lanes were 'dry' the pro's would
go find a hard ball and just rip the pins apart.  Everybody want's to score
high and if you average 200 at then great, but see how it feels if
you bowl 200 at a regional (a pro condition).  Which do YOU think will feel
better.  However it doesn't matter what we say here on this net.  The shot
will be set for the average bowler because that's where the money is at
(information from Aki's post--no plagorism here).

Just my thought and opinions feel free to agree or disagree that's why I told
my parents to have me in America!

				Myke...
 ******************************************************************************
 *                                      *                                     *
 *  Myke Gross                          * Say that again, You want me to put  *
 *  Junior in Cis/Eng                   *         'it'....WHERE??!!??         *
 *  Ohio State University               *    But I thought you just wanted    *
 *  gross@cis.ohio-state.edu            *          to be friends...           *
 *                                      *  OOHHH your talking about BOWLING!  *
 ******************************************************************************
From: wrwalke@ddn-wms.nmi.com (William Walker)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: dry lanes
Summary: ball choices
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:14:13 GMT
Organization: Network Mgmt Inc., Fairfax, VA

In article <1993Jan4.192847.3338@cas.org>, cwm54@cas.org writes:
> 
>       I've been bowling for about a year and a half and am a 170-180
>     bowler. When I first started throwing the hook I loved a dry lane
>     for aesthetics (even if I didn't come close to the pocket).

didn't we all worship roth when we were young...  8-)

>     Now
>     that I am a more serious bowler dry lanes are the bane of my existence.
>     I have a blue nitro, a beast and a vector one. Sometimes I can't even
>     get the vector in the brooklyn side, much less the other two balls. What
>     do you guys do to adjust to extremely dry lanes?

i carry equipment like a sanded blue nitro, two different purple rhino pros,
a black rhino pro, a red turbo, a white dot, and a blue dot. (from most to
least reactive).

>     I just threw a
>     97 the other day and now I'm defeated before I start if I know the
>     lane is dry. Sorry if I'm repeating an already asked question but I
>     am new to this newsgroup and addicted to bowling.


> 
>        Also, what do you think of the Rhino pro (purple)?  Considering
>     the aforementioned balls, will it add anything to my game or is it
>     pretty much the same as the Nitro? What about the new Rhinos coming
>     out? I thought I read in this newsgroup a price of 88$ for a teal
>     Rhino. Are the new resin Rhinos better/worse than similar resins
>     of other brands?

my immediate rection to your description is that each ball you have
is for you an "everyday ball".  most of us are prone to this mistake.
it is hard to buy a $100 toy, and then throw it once, say "wow, it really
goes straight", and put it in the bag for special occasions.

if you are having no "too much oil" problems,
your missing link is the hard side of the equipment spectrum.  you can 
spend ~$90 on a hard urethane (pink hammer, red turbo), ~$55 for a hard
plastic (white dot, black knight), or ~$2 at the ball polisher and shine
up an existing urethane ball to reduce the surface friction (less hook).

the beast is the old purple angle cover in a two piece ball, and shines
up very well.

as for reactive resins, again you are most likekly looking at "everyday"
equipment.  reactive resins are wonderful for most average speed, <14
revolution bowlers.  like the ultra angle, they tend to be very 
"drill sensitive", and are very reaction configurable with a combination
of drill position and surface polish.

personally i love the purple rhino pros, but was forced to drill them
to back off (start early, slow arc) to keep them from "rolling out".
the prohook extreme, i haven't thrown enough yet to make a determination,
but the turbo-X was a total waste of $80 for my game.

> 
> 		       Thanks,
> 			    Carlyle

cheers.
bill.
-- 

Bill Walker  -  Network Analyst  -  Network Management Inc.
bill@nmi.com                        11242 Waples Mill Rd
wrwalke@ddn-wms.ddn.mil             Fairfax, VA  22030
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: steveg@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Steve Gabrilowitz)
Subject: Re: Foul Rules
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:35:40 GMT

In article <1ikc4sINN3qt@gap.caltech.edu>, anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
|> In article <1ika66INNpkf@hp-col.col.hp.com> fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck) writes:
|> >anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
|> >> 
|> >> Hello,
|> >> 
|> >> Here is a rules question that popped up in league last night.
|> >> Our lead off bowler rolled his first ball and a pen that was in 
|> >> his pocket dropped over the foul line onto the lanes. The secretary
|> >> of our league called it a foul, but the owners of the lanes said it
|> >> was not. What is the real ruling??? (WABC/WIBC league)
|> >
|> >That  is not a  foul....  what is a foul is if he  retrieves  the  pen
|> >without first asking  permission of the other team.  It is stated very
|> >clearly  in  the  rule  book.  Your   secretary  is  wrong.  (being  a
|> >secretary  and having  dealt with the exact  problem I know this to be
|> >true.)
|> >
|> >Dave
|> 
|> Well, the rule book IS NOT clear at all. Hence the problem. It states that
|> a foul is when a part of the bowler's *PERSON* crosses the line. Ther
|> was also no mention of the "retrieving the object without the other
|> teams permission". But, maybe we missed it. 


You're right - sorta ;-)  If the bowler is capable of retrieving the object
without any part of his/her person crossing the line then no foul has been
committed <g>

I think the part about asking for permission is to establish intent since as I
recall (haven't read the rules in a while) another requirement for it to be a
foul is that the ball has to be in play while the action is committed.  Asking
for permission could be interpreted as affirming that the ball is not in play and
there is no intention of putting it into play at that time.

Another hypothetical for the nit-pickers out there - if a player crosses the foul
line during an aborted delivery and manages to hang onto the ball is that a foul?

|> 
|> Additionally, the secretary had a "secretaries hadbook" (WIBC) that showed
|> (with a picture) the case where an object falls across the line. It 
|> explicitly stated that that WAS a foul.
|> 
|> What I am wondering is if there is a difference between WIBC and WABC 
|> rules. Personally, I don't think this SHOULD be a foul at all.
|> He was called for a foul.
|> 
|> anne

-- 



I think
I think I am
Therefore I am!
I think...



                            Steve Gabrilowitz
                            Martin Marietta, Orlando Fl.
                            steve-gabrilowitz@orl.mmc.com
                            Fidonet 1:363/1701 (407-380-1701)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:19:16 EST
From: Mark K. Miller <MAX@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: (whine) I wanna hook like the guys do!

In article <93007.57437.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>,
L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM says:
>

I saved making nice with Pamela for last. :-)  I must have had a bad day
yesterday, I wasn't typing what I meant very well.  Somehow I was able to
bowl ok yesterday, though.  Thursday average is 178.  I threw 189 171 176.
Not leaving any exercises for the reader, that 536 series is a 178 average.

>  And as to being a one house bowler...it's kinda hard not to, when you only
>are bowling in one league.  I have bowled in other houses when I've competed
>in tourneys, but they don't allow the leagues to travel to other houses, un-
>less they're a travel league (tongue in cheek!)  I am a supermom of the '80s.
>I'm waiting until they tell us that we don't have to do it all anymore, but
>those in charge are keeping mum.  I leave for work at 4am, give the kid a

I only wish I was in charge and could tell you that you can rest now!
Supermoms amaze me and I think you're doing about the most important thing in
the whole world.  All I can say for now is congratulations and keep up the
good work!!!

>wakeup call at 6am, check on her at 3pm, & get home at 6:30pm.  I really only
>have time to coach one youth league per week, & then bowl in one league per
>week.  And the house is still fairly clean, & the yard is manicured (you still
>have to mow lawns, during the winter in CA).  I only bring this up, because
>someone sounded a little disparaging towards solo house bowlers...maybe I took
>it a little off...?  Yeah, that's what I did...no need to get defensive...

It was me again!  Remember, I'm the one who "said to be rude to early shift
bowlers, too?" :-)  I'll try not to be defensive, just explanatory.  One house
bowlers are OK by me.  I am one again, now!  However, when I packed my bowling
equipment (one ball) and went to visit my mother over Christmas I threw a 616
series in a house I hadn't bowled in for over 15 years.  "My" one house is
synthetic lanes; they have wood where my mom bowls.  It was very different.  I
adjusted and liked it!

What I *WAS* being disparaging towards are the folks who mostly bowl in one
house and think they are hotshots and when they occasionally bowl at other
houses they do bad and blame it on the different house.


P.S.  Would someone please take away my posting privileges now before I say
something else stupid?
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: FBL => Announcement....
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:13:07 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: tbone3.cs.itc.hp.com

Well this  announcement  doesn't really affect the FBL but I thought I
would  pass it  on....  As of March  19th of 1993 I will no longer  be
affialiated  with  the  company  known  as  Hewlett-Packard...  I have
chosen to take a voluntary  Service  Incentive to quit the company and
move  to a  job  that  I  really  enjoy...  I  will  be  a  full  time
Fly-Fishing  guide/outfitter  after the  19th...  can anyone say major
Pay cut??  yes I can, but I have an understanding  wife(who makes good
money!!)  so  things  are  right in our  world.  I do have an  outside
email  address  that we will start using in  February.  I am still not
too sure  about  news  access but I am working  on it...  The FBL will
still run as usual and I will give all invovled the numbers to contact
me when the time comes...
If anyone likes to fly fish and wants to come to Colorado... You have
a experienced guide to contact!!

Dave "I can't wait till March" Fleck
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: (whine) I wanna hook like the guys do!
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7732376FC072631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 8 Jan 93 17:26:30 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:29:24 GMT

In article <1ikamvINNpra@hp-col.col.hp.com> Dave Fleck, fleck@col.hp.com writes:
>Cold??  Well we have 2 inches of snow this morning and expect snow for
>the  next  3 or  4  days....  so.....  and  also  we  have  14  degree
>Farenheit  temperatures  so, No it is not  cold.  Unless  it is in the
>negative  numbers it is  warm....  The air is very dry here...  As far
>as "Fly Hunting"  goes, the flies are sleeping  right now, so you must
>work much harder to find them.  Though  when you do find them they are
>much more tasty!!!  I also  perfered my .44 Magnum to a .45 when I was
>in CA!  :-)
  

Cold? COLD?  You call THAT cold?  Why when I was a kid, it
was so cold, our mother used to SET OUR HEADS ON FIRE, just
to keep from freezing to death!

never mind...



*************************************************************
Aki Damme                    "How come the best ball
The World Bank                for me is ALWAYS the
Washington D.C.               one I didn't bring, or the
PBA #2294                     one I don't own?"
*************************************************************
All usual disclaimers about my employer and my wife apply 
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: oily lanes
Organization: GTE/SCSD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:25:12 GMT

: In article 726182218@mik.uky.edu, michael@nx22.mik.uky.edu (michael d ward) writes:
: >
: >  Just curious to know what are good bowling balls for oily conditions?  I always bowl right after they oil the lanes in my league so they are always oily.     Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
: >
: >Michael Ward
: 

	For oily conditions I have to admit the best I found was the
Blue Hammer with a some thumb and side weight.  I think the almighty
blue thing could hook through an exxon station at times.  It also has
proven to me to carry the light shots in the pocket.  This is good for
oily conditions since if you miss your target outside by some you will
probably be light in the pocket.  I have heard the Burgendy Hammer is
also good but have not had the ball to try it.  Good Luck!!! 

--
Larry King
GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
E-Mail : king@ssvax.gte.com
From: xtap@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tony Peacock)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Foul Rules
Date: 11 Jan 1993 16:01:54 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

In article <1993Jan8.144925.4270@pdn.paradyne.com> vince@paradyne.com (Vince Ciletti) writes:
>In article <1iig4pINNkjk@gap.caltech.edu> anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje) writes:
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>Here is a rules question that popped up in league last night.
>>Our lead off bowler rolled his first ball and a pen that was in 
>>his pocket dropped over the foul line onto the lanes. The secretary
>>of our league called it a foul, but the owners of the lanes said it
>>was not. What is the real ruling??? (WABC/WIBC league)
>>
>>
>>anne
>>
>
>No, it is not a foul if something falls out of your pocket onto the
>lane.  For a foul to occur, a part of the player's person must encroach
>on or beyond the foul line and touch any part of the lane, equipment (i.e.
>the caps or foul light cover beyond the foul line) or building during or
>after the delivery.  (Yes, if you are bowling on the end lane, and you
>fall off to the side and touch the wall beyond the foul line, that is a
>foul).  Something that falls out of your pocket is not part of your person.
>For reference, see page 8, rule 5a of the 1992-93 ABC/WIBC Playing rules.  
>
>However, when he decides to pick the pen off the lane, he must make it
>clear to the other team that he is doing so.  For example, he should not
>just reach out after the ball is delivered and pick it up without
>notifying someone that he is doing so, or a foul can be called (although
>this is sort of "cut-throat", it *is* the rule if someone wants to be an
>A**hole about it).
>
>Vince

Vince,

    I believe that if you do not tell the other team what you are doing,
you can leave the approach (both feet off) and return to get the object.
This way does not involve having to tell the other team.  But as you
stated, the person must inform the other team first before retrieving!

Tony,....