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From: halk@bnr.ca ("Hal (H.V.) Kauffeldt")
Subject: Thanks for help on .303 -> .308 Conversion 
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:58:36 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

Thanks to all those who replied/posted to my earlier request for advice
on my Lee Enfield with a .303 to .308 conversion.

I (unfortunately) have no real history on when the conversion was done
or by whom.  However, it does appear that the comments I've recieved are
right on the mark as to the problem - the bolt face needs to be larger
OR the magazine needs to be modified in some way to allow the shells to
feed properly.  A couple people have mentioned the availability of
modified clips for such guns, which go by the name of "Stirling" (?), so
I guess I'll start looking for them in earnest!

By the way, the gun IS a Mark IV, so there seems to be little risk of it
coming apart at the seams as .308 rounds go through it.  Thanks for the
concerns expressed, though!

Hal Kauffeldt  | Bell-Northern Research Ltd. |     Liability for
(613)-765-4589 | P.O. Box 3511 Station C     |   expressed views 
halk@bnr.ca    | Ottawa, Ont. CANADA K1Y 4H7 |          is mine.
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Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: pfeiffer@NMSU.Edu ()
Subject: Cleveland Amory
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:19:47 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I'm going to do my best to keep this completely informational, and
avoid political editorializing as much as possible...

CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
   I recently began an email discussion with a lady that responded to
   my sig. about bowhunting.  She was spouting the evils of bowhunting
   (more likely to maim and not kill, etc.) and suggested I read some
   book put out by the Cleveland Armory (title was some thing like
   "Man Kind? ....").

   Does anyone have any information about this group?  Has anyone read
   this book to see what it says (although from the title, I can make
   a pretty good guess).

Cleveland Amory is a columnist (not a group), and is the man behind
the ``Fund For the Animals,'' also called the FFA.  This is one of the
largest anti-hunting groups in existence; the current Arizona
anti-hunting initiative was written by them.  Sports Afield had an
article about anti-hunters a year or so ago, in which FFA was
prominently featured.  This article may be of particular interest to
you, as it details FFA's successful effort to keep Florida from
opening a special deer season on an island that was severely
overpopulated with starving deer.  FFA volutneers were going to
capture the deer and transport them to the mainland (I'm not making
this up!).  Some miniscule number were transported by a few
volunteers; a much larger number starved.

Haven't read the book.

-Joe.


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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: RE: WHICH HUNTING KNIFE
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:54:46 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

 
I can't believe I forgot to say this the first time.  The best
knife I own is my swiss army knife (the *real* one -> Victorinox).
The model is the Boy Scout version of the Huntsman (it has a
phillups screwdriver instead of that stupid corkscrew).
 
This knife keeps it's edge longer than any other knife I have
ever owned.
 
      --------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |  Bow season started today!  What am I doing
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |      here at work?
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |


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From: jkapson@ad-29.Naitc.Com (John Kapson)
Subject: Re: Horse sense 
Organization: AC Nielsen Co., Bannockburn IL
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:42:44 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct5.075521.9745@doug.cae.wisc.edu> halvorsen_ralph@mac-mailserver.atc.ll.mit.edu ("Halvorsen Ralph") writes:
[snip]
>Re: the knife thread I'll add some advice on sharpening. Having
>retired as a diving officer a few years ago I've had my share of
>"sharpeners". The only one that has given me the consistency needed is
>the Lansky.
     
I just got my Lansky sharpening set about a two weeks ago and now, with
little effort, all my knives are razor sharp.  It really works great!

>Just my 2 cents!

And my 2 makes 4.

John Kapson    NRA ILA


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: daveb@ex.heurikon.com (Dave Baird)
Subject: Re: Accident followup
Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:43:34 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


>>While I'm on the soap box, let me mention one other thing.  Too often
>>I see hunters driving around with critters hanging off all portions of 
>>their trailers and vehicles.  This sight is very offensive to a lot of
>>people and may drive them to support non-hunting issues over time.  
>>Keep your own act clean and encourage others to, also.
>> 
>>Bryan
>> 
>>=============================================================================
>>Bryan Call
>>Hewlett-Packard Co.       
>
>I agree with this 100%.  This practice of "displaying" the kill is
>common here in Northern New Mexico as well.  The hunters who practice
>this nonsense obviously don't realize the catalizing effect this has
>with the anti-hunting wbunch.
>
>--Dale


What do you do in a state that _requires_ the deer be displayed,
and in such a manner that is not within reach of any of the vehicles
occupants?

Obviously, anyone who thinks this display is a HunterRite is both
ignorant of game laws and the proper care of meat.  Very few (no one?)
hunters prefer pre-baking their venison on a hot engine in the sun,
as opposed to iced in the cooler.  I would like nothing better than 
boning and freezing my venison before going home - but it is 
against the law.

Any comment on the nonsense of such displays should not be directed 
at hunters, but at the law-makers that require such displays.
 
Before anyone argues (discusses :-)) about what is technically legal, 
I live and hunt in Wisconsin, and have hunted in Minnesota, Iowa and
S. Dakota.  S. Dakota is by far the most trusting of the behavior
of its citizens.

David Baird



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From: mwm@aps.anl.gov (Michael W. McDowell)
Subject: Hunting time - Work exchange
Organization: Argonne National Lab -- APS
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:42:33 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: Northern IL

  As the subject states, I'm looking for landowners in
northern IL who might be willing to exchange some hunting
time for some labor.  I'm primarily interested in pheasant
season.  Please respond via E-Mail.

 Mike McDowell






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From: todd@refrig.dixie.com (Todd H.)
Subject: Shot for opportunistic duck shooting
Organization: the Bear Creek Tinkerer's Society and Social Club
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:58:26 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I've been gone for a bit, so I've probably missed the beginning of the
thread, but it looks like someone asked what kind of shot to carry if
you're pheasant hunting and there's a possiblity of jumping some ducks
while doing it.

Just let me warn you right off the top - FEDERAL regulations MANDATE
that you not even POSESS lead shot on your person while hunting
waterfowl, be it on dry land or on water.  DON'T shoot a duck, with
ANYTHING, unless you're only carrying steel shot.  IT IS ILLEGAL.

Now that that unpleasantness is over with, if it were me, I'd carry
and shoot with steel Remington #2 or 3 shot.  I've shot a number of
ducks with it, and the #4 stuff just is barely enough for a mallard.
Steel holds it's pattern better than lead, but doesn't pack the punch.

Also, if I was doing this kind of shooting, I'd pass up the quail and
partridges that came up.  The sad truth is that you can't cut the pie
both ways- you're either going to shoot ducks and pheasants, or small
birds and pheasants, not both.


-- 
Todd++;
------------------
todd@refrig.dixie.com


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From: brian@pdx.csd.mot.com (Brian Vandewettering)
Subject: Re: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Organization: Motorola CSD, Beaverton, OR
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:56:32 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu


In article <1992Sep30.074727.10475@doug.cae.wisc.edu> rewald@stsci.edu writes:
>Hi Everyone!
>    Is there anything else I can do (or not do) to be safe?  My dad
>hunts, (in Indiana) and I love venision, so I'm more than willing to
>share the woods!

I wouldn't worry about using the woods during hunting season.  True, 
accidents do happen but they are far and few between.  You are probably
much more likely to die in a car accident on the way home from work 
tonight.  The only thing I would add to your riding outfit would be
a blaze orange yoke, bridal or saddle blanket for your horse.  Outfitters
put them on their animals while packing for hunters and it seems to 
work very well.

You might also consider carrying your own firearm, since there are always
a few wackos out there, hunting season or not.  However, that's a personal 
decision for you to make.

>Thanks for any advice or information!
>               Rosalie Ewald

- Brian Vandewettering

-- 
"It cannot be presumed that any clause in the Constitution is intended to
be without effect..."

- Chief Justice John Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 1803


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From: scottb@sail.labs.tek.com (Scott Baker)
Subject: Deer hunting partner(s) wanted
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:56:44 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu
Keywords: deer hunting


I am a novice hunter, looking for deer hunting partner(s).
I'm a fair shot and willing to pull my weight.
I went by myself last year and never saw a thing.

Thanks:
Scott Baker                                    scottb@sail.labs.tek.com
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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:55:31 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct1.084850.27765@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
   hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank Roberts) writes:
 
>Perhaps someone can offer recommendations to these specific problems:
>
>1)  I'd like some source of signs on heavy enough metal that bullets
>won't go right through it -- because both the "NO SHOOTING: CAMPGROUND"
>signs and the "NO HUNTING Without Owner's Permission, PHONE xxx-xxxx"
>signs get shot up, destroying the trees they're attached to, and
>I've had people shoot right through the CAMPGROUND sign into the camp.
 
 
Actually, I would recommend *cheap* signs that can be replaced
easily.  Even signs made of heavy metal can be shot though.
 
 
>2)  I'd like some sort of sound-operated camera I can set up in the
>worst-hit areas, up in a tree, to catch pictures of the people who
>just drive randomly across the property til they find signs or
>staked-out trees or the springbox and shoot it up, in hopes of
>getting identifiable pictures.
 
 
Hmm...I've seen ads for those sensor devices (infra-red I believe)
that you can put up to let you know which trails deer are using.
Most even will time stamp the event for you.  You may just want
to use a few of these (hide them so THEY don't get shot up) and
see if there is a pattern.  Then (try to) convince the local sherriff/
game warden to do a stake-out.  If they won't do it:  try doing
a stake-out yourself with a camera.
 
 
>I will NOT use boobytraps, bury nails on boards in the trails/road,
>or do anything else that would injure anyone.
 
I agree.  You could hurt a deer by mistake!
 
 
>Oh, yeah, 3)  How about offering a reward for information? Has anyone
>known that to succeed?  I've talked to the local hunters (who I'm on
>good terms with) and they all say they'd NEVER confront any of the
>vandals-with-guns, because they fear getting shot themselves if they
>do anything, though they do look me up later on to let me know it's
>happened again.
 
If you have the funds available for it, I think this would be an
excellent idea.
 
 
>This is in the Coast Range, No. California -- and YES, I'm aware that this
>is an extreme situation, not happening where YOU live, YOU'd never do
>anything etc etc etc....  But I need some tools and advice here.
>
 
Actually, I think this probably happens everywhere.
 
      --------------------------------------------------
Chris Barnes            |
cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |  Bow season started  today!
(409) 846-3273 (home)   |  What am I still doing at work?
(409) 845-4437 (work)   |


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From: J.M.Spencer@newcastle.ac.uk (Jonathan Spencer)
Subject: Re: Scope sighting reply
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:58:08 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call) writes:

[munch]

>If you have the scope mounted at a sporting goods store, they will 
>probably be able to boresight it for you using a special clamp on 
>tool.  I'm not sure how close that comes but my guess is that it 
>will be very close at 100yds also.  

I've found them to be reasonable. That is, reasonable enough to
commence zeroing the rifles, not reasonable enough to use the rifle on
quarry.

>Use your bullistics information for your gun and ammo to sight your
>rifle at 100yds so that the bullet flight is within a prescribed 
>range of "dead-on" over your anticipated hunting ranges.

The practice here (England) for the medium deer rifles (243, 308, 30-06,
270, etc) is to set up the sight so that it shoots 1" high at 100 yards,
and it will be bang on at 200 yards, and about an inch low at 250 yards.
This is a good all round way of doing it. Of course, it you are only
using the rifle in close woodland, zero it for 100 yards. The 1" high at
100 yards also means that you don't need a 200 yard range to do it on.

--Jonathan


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From: barry@godzilla.quotron.com (Barry Geipel)
Subject: What knife to get for deer hunting
Organization: Quotron Systems, Inc.
Date: 29 Sep 92 06:45:39 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

I am going on my first deer hunt next month and I was wondering
if anyone could give me some advise on what knife to bring along
for dressing out a deer. I was looking at the Buck Hunter. Is that
knife good enough?


Thanks

Barry

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INTERNET:barry@quotron.com || Lacking a muse, my mauser
COMPUSERVE:710055,3726     ||  must be my  thunderbolt
From: pfeiffer@NMSU.Edu
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Subject: What knife to get for deer hunting
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:44:05 GMT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

barry@godzilla.quotron.com (Barry Geipel) writes:

   I am going on my first deer hunt next month and I was wondering
   if anyone could give me some advise on what knife to bring along
   for dressing out a deer. I was looking at the Buck Hunter. Is that
   knife good enough?

I have a 6" Buck, which I've found to be a good, sturdy knife that
keeps an edge very well.  Generally I buy Gerber knives for just about
everything, but the Buck just ``looks'' like a hunting knife (how's
that for a stupid way to pick a knife!).

My knife has been used for everything from dissecting old plastic
swimming pools to taking the old caulk off a swamp cooler I was
replacing, and has done the job superbly.  About the only thing it
hasn't been used on is a deer!  Well, hopefully this year...

Depending on just what you do to the animal when field dressing it,
you may also want to look into a bone saw.

-Joe.
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: gmk@falstaff.MAE.CWRU.EDU (Geoff Kotzar)
Subject: Re: Non-hunter safety in woods?
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:43:55 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct5.075531.9778@doug.cae.wisc.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.084850.27765@doug.cae.wisc.edu>
>   hank@well.sf.ca.us (Hank Roberts) writes:
> 
>>Perhaps someone can offer recommendations to these specific problems:

I don't recall if you mentioned trying to contact the fish and
wildlife people but they are the people ypu really should contact.
This past week I called the wildlife headquarters here in Ohio for an
acquiantance whose dog was shot by her son of a bitch neighbor beacuse
it barked too much. He claimed that he thought it was a deer. This was
2 weeks before bow season opened, more than 2 months before gun
season. Aside from poaching if he really was hunting deer, he was
hunting on another's property without written permission, and using
and illegal weapon (rifle). The wildlife agent informed me that in
Ohio it is also a crime to damage the property of another while
hunting or to injure a person. Your state probably has similar laws.
And while here the sheriff is also responsible for game law violations
he/she/they may be too busy to investigate, but game law violations
are the primary resonsibility of the wildlife agents and at least here
in Ohio they take a very serious attitude toward these.  I was told
that they would probably prosecute this individual under all of the
possible charges or atleast get him to admit that he was not hunting
so that the regular criminal charges could be made against him.


geoff kotzar






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From: motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto)
Subject: Re: WHICH HUNTING KNIFE
Organization: AT&T
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:42:54 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Oct5.075446.9646@doug.cae.wisc.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
> 
>I can't believe I forgot to say this the first time.  The best
>knife I own is my swiss army knife (the *real* one -> Victorinox).
>The model is the Boy Scout version of the Huntsman (it has a
>phillups screwdriver instead of that stupid corkscrew).
> 
>This knife keeps it's edge longer than any other knife I have
>ever owned.
> 

Chris -

The corkscrew on my Hunstman is NOT stupid.  It is essential for
spontaneous romantic picnics in the woods.

Hunting takes *many* forms, as does "wild-life".

Mary Otto




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From: ras@fred.niaid.pc.niaid.nih.gov (Randy Stevens)
Subject: Shooting Techniques??
Organization: Frederick Cancer Research & Development Center
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:45:47 CDT
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

     I am interested in learning the proper breathing techniques to
use when shooting a rifle.  In other words, when do you pull the
trigger-- when the lungs are full, partially empty, or fully empty?

     Also, for all you Colorado Elk and Mule Deer hunters...please
keep me/us posted on your success and sightings during the first and
second rifle seasons.  I am especially interested in UNIT 211.  I'll
be headed for Big Sky country on Oct. 28th to hunt the third combined
ELK/DEER season.  This is my first trip out West.

     Sometime back, I asked for info. regarding the adequacy of my
Rem.700 BDL 30-06 for ELK and Mule Deer.  Thanks for ALL the very
helpful info. (especially Grove G.)  I have chosen to stay with the
30-06 and 180gr. Nosler Partition Federal Premmium ammo.  So far, I am
real happy with the groups I have been getting at 100 and 200yds with
this combo.

    I will be sure to let everyone know how my hunt turns out!!!!!!!!

    Good hunting to all!      Randy A. Stevens


Newsgroups: rec.hunting
From: garry@alice.att.com (garry hodgson)
Subject: Re: New Zealand Knife maker
Organization: AT&T, Bell Labs
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:47:57 CDT
Summary: Edged Weapons mailing list
Originator: hunting@osnome.che.wisc.edu

In article <1992Sep28.084243.20150@doug.cae.wisc.edu> graeme@geog.canterbury.ac.nz (Graeme Glen) writes:
>My name is Chris Pennington and I am interested in contacting other
>Knife makers who use D2 440C and 154CM steel for blades.
>
>I would be interested in swapping information from Down Under.

Graeme -

There is an Edged Weapons mailing list around, with a
number of quite knowledgable people involved.  Many of
them are into making knives.

I don't recall the address to subscribe, but you can
post to list at: edge@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov

Or, contact Al Bowers, who runs the list.
His address is:	bowers@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov

Hope this helps.

-- 
Garry Hodgson			A slow winter day
AT&T Bell Labs			A night like forever
garry@alice.att.com		Sink like a stone
att!alice!garry			Float like a feather


From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: RFD: rec.fencing
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1992 18:43:00

Please add me to the list of interested fencers..., specifically [4] SCA fencing.

-- Vashti


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From: christer@sue.komunity.se (Christer Romson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: name from the netherlands???
Date: 30 Sep 92 07:23:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Merfyn needed "help with finding the [Dutch] name "Severina Lundgren" in
period".

"Lundgren" is a blatantly modern definitely out of period common Swedish
surname. I strongly doubt that it's a period Dutch name. I think
"Severinus" as a male latin name of a saint. "Severina" could be an
acceptable female equivalent.
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From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Montgomery J. Moose)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: membership
Date: 3 Oct 92 16:47:23 GMT
Organization: National Association for the Disorganized

In article <Iem=t9u00WB7RJl4NT@andrew.cmu.edu> Nils Hammer <nh0g+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>  Requiring membership to fight sounds like a lot more work
>for the list officers. (can you tell I want to fight, but
>don't want to worry about paperwork?) When I can't find
>my authorization card there are any number of Knights,
>masters, listmistresses, and marshals I know who can vouch
>for me at a local event. I don't know anything like that
>for membership.

	The way around this is for the Earl Marshal to check for membership
before giving authorization cards.  
	Also, in the Midrealm at least, you're not supposed to be able to
fight without a card, no matter who vouches for you.  I have no idea if this
restriction is actually upheld, but it's on the books.

		Alan Fairfax Aluricson, Fenris Herald
		Canton of the Riding of Hawkland Moor
		Barony of Northwoods, Midrealm
		atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu		**Magnitudo Vocis**
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