HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Hasan Mutlu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:19:28 GMT

cza@troy.uucp (22141-akgun) writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.034946.23143@tygra.Michigan.COM> root@tygra.Michigan.COM (Charlie Root) writes:
>>Our site fed anadolu, the site from which Hasan Mutlu posts. As of this
>>time, because we are in a temporary location without adequate phone lines
>>the feed to anadolu and our other downstream sites are suspended. I don't
>>know what route he is using to get out his messages to the net, but it 
>>is not through our site. His use of the name "anadolu.MICHIGAN.COM" is a
>>temporary misnomer, although it isn't permanently terminated.


>Does the usage of  name "anadolu.MICHIGAN.COM" constitutes any forgery 
>or crime by HBM who continues to post while the MICHIGAN site is 
>temporarly out of service?
>[...]

 What do we have here? Mr. Akgun defending MUTLU (Master Untrue Totally
 Lying Unit(s))?

 Why Mr. Akgun are you so eager to defend him?  Could this be because
 you, as well as many other Turks, are using his name to post the same
 articles?

 As I wrote previously, it is very easy to find who else is using his
 accounts; simply point at his defenders !!!

>C. Akgun
-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: Soc.culture.Greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: RE: HOW LONG WILL GREEKS
Date: 23 Aug 92 00:43:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


Quoting M.U.T.L.U.
>This joke will open the skies to mankind. While there is a new world
>order emerging, to turn around and ask the Turkish Republic of Northern
>Cyprus (TRNC) to dance with an old world tune would not solve any

  What happened Hasan? Was it an official holiday at the Turkish
Ministry of Thought, or did you have a contract dispute with your
writers? I am really wondering, because first you reduce your output by
90% for three days, and now you come back with a message that is 100%
identical to one you had posted in the past, to a completely different
question. Which just goes to prove that you don't even bother to read
the questions you are "replying" to.

  By the way, what does a good writer of ignorant, fanatic, shameless
propaganda earn these days? I am sure that you guys have had hard days
with the collapse of all these totalitarian regimes in E. Europe.

Michael.
                                                                          
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: Re: 'Tamtam:' A Grim Reality.
Organization: AS&M Inc
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:11:05 GMT

In article <9208272219.A2591NU@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

[... some more junk that has no home in news.admin ...]

han@anadolu and tamtam have made it into my kill file.

Again, news.admin is deleted from the Newsgroups.
--
J Lee Jaap <J.L.Jaap@LaRC.NASA.Gov> +1 804/864-2148
employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23681-0001
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From: deniz@telesto.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: test
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 23:46:13 GMT
X-Posted-From: telesto.ctr.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

test test test 
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: A question on this Armenia stuff...
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:10:29 GMT






<1992Aug26.163927.11883@menudo.uh.edu>
HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)

>> >  Looks like the first guy is off coffee break.  Things are back to normal.
>> 
>> So you've lied with your earphones on. 

>  What this means, I have no idea.

No batteries? I would be interested in knowing the source of the above drivel.

>> Now when you have finished smoking
>> I'd suggest you answer the points I've raised below.

>  [deleted]

What else is new? In any case, history is full of stories of genocide. 
Annihilation of Urartus and their culture by the Armenian invaders was 
one of the first examples of genocide. When Armenian dictators instigated 
Armenians to revolt during World War I against the Ottoman Government,
their intention was to exterminate the Turks and to create an
independent Armenian state in eastern Anatolia where Armenians were
only about 15 percent of the population. Entire population of the
region was subjected to genocide beyond belief; genocide which
was planned to exterminate the whole Turkish people of the region
to the last man, woman and child. Armenians tortured and massacred
millions of defenseless civilians. To assemble innocent civilians 
in the mosques and burn them in the buildings was one of their
methods. Even today the traveler in that region is seldom free
from the evidence of these Armenian crimes.

Also, it is not surprising that parts of the Dashnaktzoutun 
collaborated with the Nazis.

 "Wholly opportunistic the Dashnaktzoutun have been variously
  pro-Nazi, pro-Russia, pro-Soviet Armenia, pro-Arab, pro-Jewish,
  as well as anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, anti-Communist, and 
  anti-Soviet - whichever was expedient."[1]

[1] John Roy Carlson (Arthur Derounian), 'Cairo to Damascus,' 
    Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1951, p. 438.
  
Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: The "tamtams"
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:20:05 GMT





<Btt9w5.B54@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

> Humanity also cannot tell to Turks: "Get your asses out of Cyprus".

This joke will open the skies to mankind. While there is a new world
order emerging, to turn around and ask the Turkish Republic of Northern 
Cyprus (TRNC) to dance with an old world tune would not solve any 
problems. Who is ready to claim that 'Greek Cypriots' are not hating 
the 'Turkish Cypriots?' Insisting on not recognizing the TRNC as a 
separate republic and push them to get together with Greek Cypriots
is no different than asking each and every one of the new republics 
of old Soviet Union, Croatia and Slovenia in Yugoslavia to go back 
to the old status quo.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: How Quaint Of 'Woll' To Point This Out, And Then To Completely...
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:12:27 GMT






<1992Aug17.070243.12972@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
bv652@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ilan Uri Woll)

>Yes, GET A BLOODY LIFE, you son of dual parentage.
>IT WAS A JOKE.

Some weed.

>I don't read your postings for 3 reasons.
>1. I don't give a damn about what happens in Turkey or Armenia, it

Then, what seems to be the problem?


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,news.admin
Subject: Only one in ten "Sipas" called up to join the Greek navy can swim.
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:16:34 GMT





<715409012.0@krypta.fidonet.org>
Alexandros.Gougousoudis@f41.n2403.z2.fidonet.org (Alexandros Gougousoudis)

>Of cource, but he uses the Net as a propaganda machine.

It's a kind of harsh judgement, and a little close for comfort.

Source: THE EUROPEAN - 27-30 August 1992, page 13.

Sea novices: Although famed as a maritime nation and despite being
surrounded by seas, a report has disclosed that only one in ten
conscripts called up to join the Greek navy can swim.

Poor "paliks".


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: sboztas@solar.usc.edu (Serdar Boztas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek
Subject: Remember Cyprus
Date: 3 Sep 1992 18:41:11 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: solar.usc.edu

efstse@epsilon.eecs.nwu.edu (Serafim Efstratiadis) writes:

>Why? Because you are too blind to see reality. You Turkish Cypriots
>had it all and now you are FORCED to have crumbles thrown by the Turkish
>Government. If you think that you can achieve the kind of prosperity you
>enjoyed before 1974, or what you would have had if Cyprus was free...
>the you must be on ACID, my friend. Anyway, mark these words and you'll
>remember them sometime.

I have to disagree, Serafim. Please enlighten me about the prosperity of
Turkish Cypriots before 1974, using real statistics not nice round
words. I don't always agree with the Turkish Cypriot leadership but
one thing Turkish Cypriots weren't before 1974 was prosperous!

I lived that period,  Besime is I believe, younger. I hope for a solution
in Cyprus, but not for the 'prosperity' of pre-1974 era.

What first hand experience of pre 1974 conditions for Turkish Cypriots
do you have to supply us with? Current GNP/Capita on  the North is
~3500 US dollars, no comparison with the south but certainly better
than before.

It is conterproductive, so I won't dwell on  the conditions we had
to endure just to get to Nicosia from our village, including searches,
waiting in the burning sun for hours, de-facto economic embargo on
building materials, etc. etc.

I am not trying to minimize the suffering of Greeks at various
points of Cypriot history. There surely is enough of that to go around.

Hoping for a solution,

Serdar

>Serafim.


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From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
Subject: MULTU REFUSES TO RESPOND
Date: 29 Aug 92 16:28:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 


>  In any case History is full of evil people stealing parts of the
>Turkish homeland.  The french, for example, stole Northern Afriaturk
>(known to the thieves as Algeria and Tunisia), drove out many of the
>turks and convinced the remaining turks that they belonged to a
>mythical race known as the "arabs".

 These are the lies of self-admited criminals and genocide apologists
like you, Visserian.

 The French infidels (actually western Turks, traitors of their
homeland, all on the Russian payroll) could not possibly have defeated
the noble Turkish Army in war. Northern Turkafrica is still under the
protective custody of the Ottoman Empire. False maps showing
non-existant countries like Alg* and Tun* are fabrications of the
ASALA/SPDA/ARF terrorism triangle and their Nazi/Communist revisionist
co-conspirators.

Mihal Polymenpasha.
From: karabulu@cae.wisc.edu (Hasan Karabulut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: 23 Agustos /yorum
Date: 29 Aug 92 22:41:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Aug29.174125.25748
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

23 Agustos 1992

Zaman

   MUSTAFA OZCAN                   

   Saraybosna Cocuklari


    Imanin karsiliklarindan ya da subelerinden biri
duyarlilik olmalidir. Duyarlilik olmayan yerde
imanin eseri yoktur. Duyarsiz dolayisiyla imani
coraklanmis olan zumrelerin inkirazi yakindir.
Kur'an-i  Kerim'de  ustunlugun  olcusu  olarak
iman belirlenmistir. Ama hangi iman? Elbette
duyarliliga mukterin olan imandir.

     Bazi usulifakihler, bir beldede aclik ve yok-
luktan olen gariban ve fukaranin akibetinden
zekat vermeyen zenginleri mesul tutmuslardir.
(Buna ragmen -sy-)Islam kamuoyu bazi konularda Bati
kamuoyu kadar (dahi -sy-) olamiyor.

     Bati'da oyle ferdi duyarliliklar musahede edi-
yoruz ki bu, Muslumanlari utandirmalidir. Bir In-
giliz sahsi cabasi ve hesabiyla bir otobus ki-
ralayarak 20 Bosnak Muslumani Ingiltere'ye
goturuyor. Bir Hollandali gayri muslim gaze-
temizde haberi yeralan bir kampanyaya 3 bin
Gulden'le katilmistir. Bu gibi ornekleri sira-
layacak olursak liste uzar gider. 
 
    Bati kamuoyunun bu duyarliligindan yararlan-
maliyiz. Oyle ki Musluman kamuoyu ile Bati ka-
muoyu bazi insani konularda bir araya gelebil-
melidir. Biz de Muslumanlar olarak bazi konu-
lara Hiristiyan-Musluman tezadi anlayisindan de-
gil, yine islam'in emri olan adalet cercevesinden
bakabilmeliyiz. Bazen Bati kamuoyu ile siyasi-
lerinin tavirlarini tefrik ederek, toptan karsi bir
tavir almamaliyiz. Bu kolay degil ama bir vazi-
fe. Belirli konularda yakinlasma husule gelirse
yanlis anlamalar izale olur ve suyu bulandirmak
isteyenler emellerine nail olamazlar. Bu suyu bu-
landirmak isteyenler de Bati kamuoyunu  yanlis
yonlendirenler, halki taassuba sevkedenlerdir.
   
    Radovan Karacic ve Tudjman misillu katil ve
porovokatorler hedeflerine varabilmek icin her
vesileye basvurabiliyorlar.   

(surebilecek)

---/...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Yes, Remember Cyprus
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:22:07 GMT

bse@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Besime Erin) writes:

>Turkey came to STOP the aggression not to start it. However undesirable today's
>situation in Cyprus might be to the Greek Cypriots and may be to some Turkish 
>Cypriots, blood has not been shed on the island for the past 18 years. 

 Therefore, every 50 years lets make a war, and then get some rest.
 Or, if we want to stop the crimes in LA, lets nuck the place! 

 Your argument sucks.

 The double Turkish invasion resulted in thousand deads. Killing people does
 not justify any purpose.

>Before then, ethnic fights were at their peak!!! The lives of 
>the Turkish Cypriots were in danger !

 Yes, we know.  Everywhere the lives of Turks are in danger.  And the
 mother Turkey is always willing to make cleansing, kill thousands of innocent
 people in order to save the lives of some Turks. And you think this is right!
 Do you think stupidity is a virtue?

>Remembering and reiterating the past will NOT help Theodore! IT simply WILL NOT!

 Remembering always helps. History repeats itself.  Tell your Master Untrue
 Totally Lying Unit to stop provoking us.  The same applies to the hypocrite
 Mr. Akgun.  You have commited the bigest crime in Cyprus, you want now
 to just forget it?

>I wish to keep the lessons from the painful experiences in the past and 
>benefit from them in the future but I don't want them hinder my vision
>by CONSTANTLY HATING the other side which you seem to be doing!  

 You have moved 200,000 people out of their homes.  Thousands of people are
 missing in action; Turkey refuses to answer what happened to those people.
 You think is so easy to forget?  When some people can see their houses
 some meters away into the Turkish zone, is it so easy to forget?

 And just how can someone benefit from the experiences of the past?  The
 experience teaches me the following:  murder thousands of people, make
 ethnic cleansing, and expect nothing to hapen to you.  This is what
 the experience in Cyprus teaches me !!!

 Has Germany paid for her crimes? Yes.
 Has Iraq paid for its crimes? Yes.
 Has Turkey paid for her crimes? No !!!!

>>Theodore David.
>Besime Erin

 

-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: rika@informix.com (Rika Tsitsinia)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: 'Tsi*'s Inability To Distinguish Between 'Lausanne' and 'Montreux.'
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:19:52 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <9208290935.A4108mz@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:
>
>
>
>
><1992Aug27.192139.8237@informix.com>
>rika@informix.com (Rika Tsitsinia)
>
>>	Last time after a similar exchange Mr Mutlu had insisted that
>>    Greece has no right to militarize the Dodekanese islands eccording
>>    to the Lausanne treaty. I replied via net that the Lausanne treaty
>
>And the best evidence you can find is second hand hearsay from an unnamed 
>source. Your inability to distinguish between 'Lausanne' and 'Montreux'
>is incredible. You 'palikaryas' make me laugh. The Dodocanese islands 
>in the Aegean Sea must be demilitarized in accordance with the Montreux 
>Treaty (1936). Flouting this international accord, Greece has built 
>extensive military air bases in these islands in an act of open aggression 
>towards Turkiye.
>

	Oh, so now you learned that there exists a Montreux treaty!
    Well done! The previous time you had said Lausanne.

	But you see even the Montreux Treaty which was between Greece
    and Turkey could not have an agreement for the demilitarization of
    the Dodecanese Islands. The reason is that the treaty was signed
    in 1936 and at the time and until 1947 the islands belonged to
    Italy.

	What is so amazing is that you, the honest and untiring researcher
    who I am sure read all these treaties and can tell me even in which
    drawer of the greek foreign office I can find the Montreux Treaty,
    has said such a lie! Are you a liar?

	No, you are not. You get all your information from your
    government or your government controlled press. Remember?
    This was the gist of my post: there is no free press in Turkey!
    No turkish newspaper has been allowed to publish relevant
    sections from the Montreux Treaty.
    
	There is no democracy in Turkey, because there is no free press.

	In my original article I even pointed two easy ways by which
    I can be rebutted. Needless to say, you ignore this and go into a
    totally irrelevant issue: Cyprus. 

	This post was by
	
	Georgios

P.S. If you reply to this, send it as personal mail also, since I kill
     all your postings automatically. I was lucky this time to notice
     a reply to your reply.

>Hasan B-) Mutlu
>
>                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
>                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
>                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
>                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
>                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: He Has Been Imprisoned Just Because He Called Himself A Turk.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:49:15 GMT

han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:

><BtK40E.G2v@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

>>>This is the sort of racist argument that would justify Greeks' hostility
>>>to Turkish people in Western Thrace, or, for that matter, hostility
>>>to minorities trying to live in peace.

>> How is your answer related to what I have asked? If you want to discuss about
>> it, you should first answer my question.

>Look at it hanging there over your mantel. And I've kind of been keeping
>my eye out for the ultimate chicken-fried-tamtam experience. 

   I'll repeat it again: How is your answer related to what I have asked?

   Answer the following:

   (i): Who has paid Mr. (and not Dr.) Sadik for his education?
   (ii): To whom has Mr. Sadik said "You are my prime minister"?

   Also, answer the following:

   (i): Are the Greeks of Turkey allowed to sell their property when
	leaving Turkey?
   (ii):Can they sell their property while living in Turkey?

   Refresh your memory Master Untrue Totally Lying Unit(s).

>Hasan B-) MUTLU (Master Untrue Totally Lying Unit)


-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: robin@ruc.dk (Robin Cheesman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Danish student needs contact in Trabzon
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:52:27 GMT
Organization: Roskilde Universitetscenter, Danmark

Dear all,
One of my students needs a social science contact, prefereably with 
anthropological intereset, in Trabzon (or Istanbul). It would be great
to find a university institute, and even better if they have access
to email.
My student will stay in Turkey near Trabzon for 4-5 months during 1993,
to do field work. She speaks Turkish.
Our rules would make it much easier for her, if we could establish a
more or less formalized contact with a university department, relevant
to her work.

Please write if you think you can help.
Sincerely,
Robin Cheesman


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