From: eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO (Eyvind Bernhardsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The piracy argument to end all arguments....
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:39:08 GMT
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology

In article <Bx8AC6.FAC@starnine.com>, mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas) writes:
 > In article <OA92-901-306p1_DC448B13@piraya.bad.se> Hans_Bergengren@p1.thulos.bbs.bad.se (Hans Bergengren) writes:

 > >Yup, that's the best way, really. Better
 > >than reading every Amiga rag there is, since magazines always lag behind, and
 > >a written review is not as good as actually trying out the software for
 > >yourself.
 > 
 > So let's not only steal from the manufacturer of the software, but
 > let's cheat the magazine publisher of an honest sale?

What?  You're seriously saying that finding out about a game before it comes in
the magazines is a crime?  Forget the piracy, what about News?  Should I avert my
eyes from an article about the A1200, or a new game, or whatever, just because I 
might see something that would make me think twice about buying a magazine? 
You're just reaching for a reason to flame here...

 > > WS> And no intelligent pirate (I see the contradiction there) is going to
 > > WS> start arguing for piracy here as giving away his email address 
 > >effectively WS> gives away his identity to the world.
 > >
 > >Why shouldn't you be able to argue for piracy?
 > 
 > This is a real moron!  Ahhh!  SORRY!!!!  I didn't mean to slander
 > the honest, hardworking morons in the world.

Did you ever hear of the concept of 'free speech'?  I guess not.

 > Thief.  That's the word.  Common thief, except that every product
 > he swipes in the Amiga industry probably has more negative impact
 > that the average equivalent $$ common theft... Don't you wonder
 > how many "friends" he "shares" his "better than a written review"
 > illegal copy with?  How many BBS's?  How many FTP sites?

Can you back this up?  Are you saying that this person is a pirate and actively
spreads software illegaly?  Maybe you don't understand the meaning of the word
'libel' either?

 > >In one Swedish FidoNET echo, we have had a piracy debate
 > >since about a month, and both sides can share opinions and views. I think that
 > >is a good thing.
 > 
 > Yes, In marketing Amiga software, one becomes quickly aware of the
 > terrible piracy problem that exists overseas (term intentionally broad).
 > I know of companies that have refused to work with foriegn distributers
 > because the controls are so loose.
 > 
 > And you countries which socially allow this atrocity do it to yourselves.
 > Really.  A debate over the ethics of thievery?  How low
 > can you go?

Ah.  I see. you really DON'T know the meaning of free speech.

Did you actually READ the article?  This person was, in fact, arguing against
piracy, yet you contrive to claim that he's a pirate.  Libel's illegal too,
whether it's on an electronic network or not.

-Eyvind

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