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Subject:      Info about ECOSYS-L and ECOBAS

                               ECOSYS-L



   The ECOSYS-L mailing list is intended to provide a forum to discuss
   problems in the fields of ecosystem theory and modelling. In addition
   there should be discussed the current state of the art and future
   of standardization and documentation of mathematical descriptions for
   ecological processes.

   ECOSYS-L can be used also as a forum to discuss results of the just
   started research project 'Analysis of existing models of nutrient-cycles
   in agro-ecosystems'. One of the main tasks of this project is, to built
   up a database of documentations of mathematical description of ecological
   processes (ECOBAS). Information can be requested from ECOBAS via E-mail.
   (We are interested to put through this project with a broad discussion with
    other researchers. Further information about this project can be requested
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:13:00 EST
Reply-To:     DannyK <DKALLIN@CLARKU.BITNET>
From:         DannyK <DKALLIN@CLARKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: pc magazine

Date sent:  10-SEP-1992 09:57:22
>
>Anyone want to comment?  (I think we could use a change of
>topic!)

Excellent points on the overpacking of software. Of course this overpackaging
is true of most consumer products. Here in Mass. there is a ballot question
which will put tremendous restrictions on the packaging of materials sold in
the state. It will require recycled content or recyclability of the
materials. It is a tremendous idea and meant to encourage reduction  as well as
to stimulate markets for reclaimed materials. The initial proposal has been
watered down somewhat and of course the industrial groups are opposing it, but
it has broad public support and has been endorsed by the Gov...a republican at
that. I admit it will be tricky and slow to change the way stuff is packaged,
especially at the state level. However, bottle bill states have proven that it
can be done. This bill has tremendous potential to create jobs and reduce waste
disposal costs. Are there any similar legislations proposed or active anywhere
else?

>
>PS: Is it just my imagination, or are we farther from the
>"paperless" office than we were 20 years ago?

The paperless office is surely a fantasy.  There is indeed a lot of waste
associated with the electronic age. There are enviro impacts from computer
paper to chip production. Hopefully email will increase, use of recycled paper
for printouts holds tremendous potential for reclaimed paper. I think a key
point is how much more information is available in the home, office and school.
Some say to the point of info overload. I think info is like ice cream....it is
good for you and you can't really eat too much.

DannyK
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:46:00 EST
Reply-To:     DannyK <DKALLIN@CLARKU.BITNET>
From:         DannyK <DKALLIN@CLARKU.BITNET>
Subject:      paperless office

Date sent:  10-SEP-1992 16:35:13

In reply to an earlier comment on the paperless office, I came across a weekly
column about PC's in my local paper. Among other things was mention about a
software called ECOPRINT. It seems it is a print utility for HP compatable and
Postscript printers which condenses 2 pages of text , sidde by side on a
standard piece of paper.If you have a printer with double sided ability,
you could get four pages of text on 1 piece.  The article stated that you write
your text in your word processor and save it as ascii then run the utility to
print it. Granted you lose your formatting, but it would be good for drafts.
 The article stated the utility sells for $29.95 and is available from
Dr. Taylors Software
Pinnacle Meadows
Richford Vt. 05476

802-848-7731

This is not meant as an endorsement, I am not affiliated in any way and have
never tried the package. Just passing along info.


DannyK
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:41:56 PDT
Reply-To:     Bill Arnett <USERARNT@UBCMTSA.BITNET>
From:         Bill Arnett <USERARNT@UBCMTSA.BITNET>
Subject:      pc magazine

So what does pc magazine have to do with the environment.  Well, not
much except that it is an incredible waste of paper,  but....

This letter caught my attention in the August issue:

  "Big deal!  So a few companies recycle printer and toner cartridges
   (Trends, June 16, 1992).  What about our outdated manuals and
   books?  With software companies upgrading or updating their products
   every 24 hours, more and more landfill space is wasted by manuals
   and user guides.  Or do these companies expect us to hang on to these
   now useless volumes?  Maybe they should send lovely oak bookcases
   with each new upgrade.  I could use a few.
                                   Steve Henderson
                                   Long Beach, California"

Software companies seem to have missed the environmental bandwagon.
A typical software package comes in a box that is 2 or 3 times the
size it needs to be, contains 1 to 4 (mostly useless) manuals
*individually* shrink-wrapped and 1 to ??? diskettes that are
sealed in an envelope that has "legal-stuff" written all over it
(that few people bother to read, let alone obey).  The
box itself is usually a heavy cardboard inner box with a decorative
outer box and a final shrink-wrap just to be sure everything is
safe and secure.  And, if you order it by mail, it will be put in a
bigger box for shipping (with lots of styrofoam popcorn).

I've actually seen *one* software company that was attempting
to reduce packaging.  They slipped the diskette into the middle
of the user manual, shrink-wrapped the manual(s) once, and that
was all!  I wish more companies would follow that example.
(Alas, I don't remember which company because I
wasn't interested in the product.)

Anyone want to comment?  (I think we could use a change of
topic!)

Bill.

PS: Is it just my imagination, or are we farther from the
"paperless" office than we were 20 years ago?
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:41:38 PDT
Reply-To:     Bill Arnett <USERARNT@UBCMTSA.BITNET>
From:         Bill Arnett <USERARNT@UBCMTSA.BITNET>
Subject:      re: paperless office

DKALLIN@CLARKU.BITNET wrote:
> In reply to an earlier comment on the paperless office, I came across a weekly
> column about PC's in my local paper. Among other things was mention about a
> software called ECOPRINT. It seems it is a print utility for HP compatable and
> Postscript printers which condenses 2 pages of text , sidde by side on a
...
> The article stated the utility sells for $29.95 and is available from

PC Magazine released a program LASERLST to do pretty much the same thing:
it prints two pages of text side by side on any HP compatible printer.
The program is free, is available from PC MagNet, on Compuserve, and other
BBSs and FTP sites.  It's probably not as full-featured as ECOPRINT, but
it works well for program listings, "read me" files, etc.  Personally,
I can't be bothered with it for word processing documents, 'cause the
format is usually to important to omit.

I also have a nice freeware Macintosh program called Save-a-tree, which
does the same thing on the Mac: works with most printers, has lots of
options, can print either 2 or 4 images per sheet (single sided) in various
formats/orientations.

If anyone wants these, check your usual (shareware) software sources.  If
you can't locate them, I *might* be able to figure out how to email them.
LASERLST is under 2Kbytes.   I don't know about Save-a-tree.

Bill.
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From:         Tom Gray <tgray@IGC.APC.ORG>
Subject:      Conservation for NOx Reduction

/* Written 10:43 am  Sep 11, 1992 by judithj in cdp:en.energy */
/* ---------- "Conservation for NOx Reduction" ---------- */
I am looking for energy conservation projects which have as a primary goal the
reduction of NOx (or other) emissions (the old idea that an ounce of prevention
is worth a pound of cure).  I am interested in specific projects or people who m
may have done some work in this area.  If you know of anything or anyone, please
let me know who to contact for more information.  I am trying to find material
for a seminar on this topic.
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:15:00 -0700
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From:         Richard Kool 356-2077 <RKOOL@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA>
Subject:      NOx

   Re: NOx

    The Canadian Council of Ministers of the Environment are
    sponsoring a very extensive NOx / VOC reduction program.  For
    more information, contact:
    Gordon Greasley
    Canadian Council of Ministers of the Environment
    326 Broadway, Suite 400
    Winnipeg, Manitoba
    R3C 0S5

    204-948-2132
    204-948-2125 (fax)

    RKool@env.galaxy.bcsystems.gov.bc.ca
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From:         "File Distribution Coordinator" <ecixfiles@IGC.APC.ORG>
Subject:      ECIX File Distribution Update

ECIX File Distribution Service Update

For those of you who have thought about retrieving back issues of
ECO, the ECIX Newsletter, the ECIX Climate Digest, or Tiempo
via ftp from igc.org.....

Now available - the tables of contents ONLY for these publications
so that you can scan them before retrieving the much larger complete
files.

All of these files are available via anonymous ftp from igc.org, or
via email from ecixfiles@igc.apc.org.  I will be updating them as new
issues are published.


In the subdirectory /pub/ECIX

ecixtc      - Tables of contents for the ECIX project newsletter
climdigtc   - Tables of contents for the ECIX Climate Digest
tiempotc    - Tables of contents for Tiempo

In the subdirectory /pub/ECO

ecotc       - Tables of contents for all issues of ECO to date


If you are not familiar with our file distribution service, send a
note to ecixfiles@igc.apc.org and I will send you an information
file.


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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:57:00 EST
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From:         DannyK <DKALLIN@CLARKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Lovins et al

Date sent:  9-SEP-1992 12:45:00
> And since this is Mother Nature's gift, there is no one to take a shot
> at.  The resultant radiation exposure from elevated indoor radon levels
> can be many times that from living adjacent to a nuclear plant.  Maybe
> "natural radiation" is benign and only man-made radiation is dangerous?

High levels of indoor radon can be relatively easily mitigated by the design
of the house or ventilation of the basement or living area.

while both forms of radiation may be equally hazardous, the perceived hazzard
is what is important for public acceptance. The ability to control exposure to
hazzards is one of the greatest variables in acceptance. Thus exposure to
radon which can be controled by venting the cellar is more acceptable than
exposure to radfiation from a public utility. Another big factor is
catastrophic potential of which the power plant possesses far more than radon.


> In any case solar homes can create other health problems which may be
> more severe than the societal health problems they puport to correct.

Like what??

> The world is a delicate place, and a solution often creates another
> problem, even with the best of intentions.
>

Very true and there is no such thing as a risk free environment, nor should
there be. The key for effective public acceptance is to minimize the perceived
risk and this is most effectively done by education and information of as many
aspects of the problem as feasible.


DannyK
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:34:15 -0400
Reply-To:     "Dr. Stephen Boyan" <boyan@UMBC3.UMBC.EDU>
From:         "Dr. Stephen Boyan" <boyan@UMBC3.UMBC.EDU>
Subject:      Environmental success

   Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 13:17:00 EST
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   Date sent:  1-SEP-1992 13:09:43

   Greetings,
   I am trying to collect and form a bbliography of environmental successes.
   It is real easy to find reports of enviro problems and catastrophes, however
   over the past couple of decades there has been some monumental successes as
   well. We are compiling stories of the successes of the environmental movement
   and are looking for other similar compilations. If you know of any books,
   publications, articles etc. dealing with environmental successes please send
   along pertinant info to me, I will compile for the list what I receive.
   Many thanks.... DannyK


   DKALLIN@VAX.CLARKU.EDU
   DKALLIN@CLARKU.BITNET

One item: Bankrolling Successes: A Portfolio of Sustainable
Development Projects; by Walter V. Reid, James N. Barnes, and Brent
Blackwelder: Washington: The Environmental Policy Institute and
National Wildlife Federation (1988)

Boyan@umbc4.edu
From: LOGANT@LAFAYETT.BITNET (TRACY LOGAN, LAFAYETTE COLLEGE,
              EASTON PA)
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Subject: Re: stories of environmental successes
Date: 12 Sep 92 11:26:00 GMT
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              EASTON PA" <LOGANT@LAFAYETT.BITNET>
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Danny Kallin said he is looking for "books, publications,
articles etc. dealing with environmental successes."  In
response, Stephen Boyan mentioned a book called "Bankrolling
Successes: A Portfolio of Sustainable Development Projects."

On de.soc.umwelt, Klaus Thielking (my source of into about for
the German Greenpeace's ecofridge) was discussing ways that firms
can be more productive while less polluting, and drew examples
from "D.Meadows, 'Die neuen Grenzen des Wachstums', 1992"

That would be "The new limits of growth."  Possibly a translated
version of:

Donella Meadows,  Beyond the limits : confronting global collapse,
envisioning a sustainable future. Mills, Vt. : Chelsea Green Pub., 1992.
ISN 0930031555

I gather from Klaus's extracts "his" book gives case studies.
Has anyone seen "Beyond the limits" yet?

Looking forward to Danny's compilation of successes -- tracy
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:30:00 EST
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From:         DannyK <DKALLIN@CLARKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Andrews Wake

Date sent:  10-SEP-1992 16:21:31
>In the wake of hurricane Andrew's destruction, would it not be a good idea
>to rebuild power and telephone lines underground, as well as to consider
>including at least one undergroung floor as houses are rebuilt, etc.?

I agree that this would be a prime time to put some sensible building practices
into action. I will bet a good part of the area which was devastated is not
high enough above the water table to allow a cellar. Restrictions on the
construction would make sense. It sure seems silly to me to build houses out of
aluminum  and toothpicks in a hurricane zone.
South Florida is also very densely populated which increased the catastrophic
potential of the storm. Maybe some zoning restrictions on ddensity are
appropriate.
It makes sense, but the average American has a real hard time accepting the
notion that they can't build what they want where they want to do it.

DannyK.....opinions alll mine
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From:         Marianne Dugan <MDUGAN@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Andrew's Wake

>It sure seems silly to me to build houses out of
>aluminum  and toothpicks in a hurricane zone.
>South Florida is also very densely populated which increased the catastrophic
>potential of the storm. Maybe some zoning restrictions on ddensity are
>appropriate.
>It makes sense, but the average American has a real hard time accepting the
>notion that they can't build what they want where they want to do it.
>
>DannyK.....opinions alll mine
>DKALLIN@VAX.CLARKU.EDU
>DKALLIN@CLARKU.BITNET

It is silly to build there; but the reality is such building is
encouraged by the Federal flood funds, which pay people from the
taxpayers' pockets when such disasters happen -- pay them to
rebuild!  It would make infinitely more "sense" to go ahead and
reimburse the losses only on the condition that they not rebuild
in the path of hurricanes.

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Reply-To:     Lee Sakkas <URLS@MARISTC.BITNET>
From:         Lee Sakkas <URLS@MARISTC.BITNET>
Subject:      James Bay Awareness Concert in NY State

The following is from an announcement released locally regarding
an effort directed toward increasing public awareness of the
James Bay Project and educating people on the consequences of
the project should it be completed.  I pass it on to the
readership of BIOSPH-L as a matter of general interest, especially
for those of you who might be within  reasonable range of the
Mid-Hudson Valley.  I have no association with the group organizing
the concert and no further information about it beyond what is
contained in this release.  If you have any questions please
contact the organizers at the phone number given.

Lee Sakkas

------------------------Information Release-----------------------------

A  concert for James Bay awareness will be held on Saturday,
Sept. 12th from 11:AM to 6:PM in Poughkeepsie, NY.  The concert
will take place outdoors at Bowdoin Park, off of Rte.9 on Sheafe
Road.  For more information call (914) 471-8000.

Despite recent cancellation, New York State continues to a hold a
multibillion dollar contract to buy power from Hydro-Quebec.  This
project, if built would flood literally thousands of square miles of
pristine land, home of the Cree and Innuit people.  The land is also
extremely rich in plants and animals and is comparable to the Amazon
in biodiversity.  Much maneuvering is going on at many levels politi-
cally, and it is extremely urgent that our legislators hear our opinions
against this project.  Many people still do not know about the James
Bay situation and our concert is designed to get the word out and
give the issue a higher profile.

We will have at least 8 bands including Roy Atkinson, The Dolphins,
Warren Bernhardt and others.  It will be an all day festival of music
and information.  Please spread the word, please come out Saturday.
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From:         ST2302@SIUCVMB.BITNET
Subject:      Social Forestry

Has anyone out there ran into any critiques of social forestry programs?

It seems to be all the rage in third world community development circles.

There has to be a catch somewhere.  It seems to me,to be a kinder and

more gentle method of robbing third world countries of what's left

of their natural resources.  I know I'm right, I just need some supporting

documentation.
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