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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:21:48 PST
From:         "Don W." <webbd@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU>
Subject:      Off the record

>  Also for the record, I read
>PENTHOUSE, but did not buy it (that is, I did not inhale).  Warning:  be
>careful with the "reply" function on your e-mail.  Best, Ron Rosbottom

Aw shucks, Ron...  I was going to offer to buy that issue from
you.. and send a plain brown wrapper to mail it in.  Looks like
I'll have to change grocery stores, just to keep up with the
times.

As for the reply function, y'all, Ron is right: be careful.
A few years ago, line noise put } and ] into the address line
of one of my personal messages and mass-mailed it to eighty
local addresses on the CalState cyber.  Fortunately, that was
the system's limit, otherwise it would have wallpapered the
entire state with my private mail.  Some of the replies were
pretty good, I have to admit, but I'd have preferred to pass
up winning the "bug of the year" award.  The system (NOS) is
now defunct.  And VAX hasn't done anything like that.  Yet.

Carefully,

Don W. (DonWebb@CSUS.EDU)
From: nparadis@SAS.UPENN.EDU ((Nathaniel Paradise))
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Date: 10 Nov 92 22:49:13 GMT
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I'm posting this for a friend, so please reply directly to me.

Anybody know of some good recent work on early French journalism and the
early gazetteers, especially on Theophrast Renaudot?

Nathaniel Paradise
nparadis@mail.sas.upenn.edu
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From:         NASH@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Subject:      long s

This may or may not be useful, but I'll give it a shot.  Several years ago,
I needed to use the integration symbol, and for some reason my version of
WP 5.0 could not access the integration symbol Roy refers to.  What I did
was to define a macro (ALT-S) so as to overstrike character set 7,0 and
7,1.  I also introduced very small advance commands bracketing the character
set 7,1 command so as to elongate the symbol.  It took me several attempts
through trial and error to get the measurements right, and I no longer
recall what they were, but I now have the use of a long s through a single
keystroke (ALT-S).  In your particular case, Roy, since you have the
symbol available as one keystroke, I would think you could define a macro
that would bracket that keystroke with the appropriate ADVANCE commands
(see the reference manual) so as to eliminate the extra spacing.  Anyway,
it's worth a try.

Richard
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From:         Jon Butler <JBUTLER@YALEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Robert Hunter's "Androboros" (1714)

Does anyone know of a sustained discussion of the play by the eighteenth-
century governor of New York, Robert Hunter, "Androboros:   a bographical
[sic] farce in three acts, viz., the senate, the consistory, and the
apotheosis."  [New York] : Printed at Monoropolis [by William Bradford]
 since August 171[4], [1714?].  The Evans catalog number is 1681.  The 1983
Lustig biography of Hunter does not offer such a discussion, and I wondered
if any eighteenth-century literature experts know of a discussion I have
overlooked.  --Jon Butler
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Testing...testing...can you hear me? How do you hear me? What's my signal
strength, over?
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Date: 12 Nov 92 07:40:00 GMT
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In Stanley Morison's John Bell, 1745-1831 (Cambridge, 1930) there is some
discussion of the abandonment of the long s by Bell, and on p. 105 Bell is
quoted as to why he did so.
     John B. Thomas, III, HRC, Univ. of Texas, Austin.
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From:         MOTOOKA@HUSC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: 18th-c. plays

  Thanks for directing me to Nettleton.  I'm struggling with
the problem of whether or not to order a book like this when
I only need one play from it.  (The two plays I asked about are
for two different courses.)  How do the rest of you handle this
problem?
From: JAMESCAVAN@SASK.USASK.CA
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Have you looked at Eric Gill's _An Essay on Typography_?  I remember
consulting this book a couple of years ago for answers to the same
questions.  It may not be as detailed as you need but it might be
useful.

Kathleen James-Cavan
University of Saskatchewan
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Subject:      Call for Papers: NeoLatin (xposted from FICINO)

  - - The original note follows - -

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Subject:      IANLS Call for Papers
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INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR NEO-LATIN STUDIES

Ninth International Congress

Bari, Italy, August 29-September 4, 1994

IANLS has just issued its call for papers for this triennial congress.
The theme for 1994 is "The Impact of Italian Humanism: Continuations
and Transformations."  Papers on this theme, relating to any relevant
country, will be particularly welcome, though as always, the IANLS
congress will cover a multitude of topics.

Proposals for papers must be submitted by March 31, 1993 on a special
form, obtainable from the Chairman of the Organising Committee, Prof.
Mauro di Nichilo, Dipartimento di Italianistica, Universita di Bari,
70121 Bari, Italy.  Telephone 080/314284 and 314410.  FAX: 080/314642.

Those wishing to propose papers must be paid-up members of IANLS.  A
sheet outlining the modest fees in various currencies, and giving the
names of national secretaries for a number of countries, is obtainable
from Prof. di Nichilo at the address above.
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From:         "Mary A. Gallagher" <CATQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: 18th-century punctuation (English)
              5 Nov 1992 14:16:20 MST from <jsvilpis@ACS.UCALGARY.CA>

Most eighteenth-century documentary editions try to punctuate as in
the manuscript.  If your friend needs moral support with her copyeditor,
she might refer to the editorial apparatus at the beginning of any of{
these editions.  There is also an annotated bibliography of editing
documents and texts by Beth Luey which indexes several articles on{
punctuating documents.  She might also read Thomas Tanselle's many
pieces on "Textual Scholarship" listed in Luey.
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From:         "Renato Barahona" <U17801@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: new discussant

On Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:13:39 -0400 <CYWALL@VASSAR> said:
>My name is Cynthia Wall, I've just started teaching at Vassar, I'm new to
>e-mail in general, and I would like to join the discussion.  Is there
>anything else I need to do?
___________

Not really.  Just go with the flow.  You'll see, discussions come and go.
Welcome!
Renato Barahona
History, UIC
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:58:00 EST
From:         WEITZMAN@NORTHEASTERN.EDU
Subject:      Re: anthology of philosophes?

I own a 1953 anthology of English translations of three French philosophes:
FRENCH THOUGHT IN THE EIGHTEENTH CENT.: ROUSSEAU, VOLTAIRE AND DIDEROT,
ed. Geoffrey Brereton (Cassell: London).  Jonathan Walsh and others might
find this useful in a course devoted to French moralizing in our period.
Arthur J. Weitzman, Northeastern
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Subject:      new discussant

My name is Cynthia Wall, I've just started teaching at Vassar, I'm new to
e-mail in general, and I would like to join the discussion.  Is there
anything else I need to do?
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Subject:      NEW EDITORS FOR HUME STUDIES

The following notice posted on HUME-L may be of interest to C18-L
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      TED MORRIS  (University of Cincinnati)

RE:   HUME STUDIES

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From: sbgibson@ACS.UCALGARY.CA
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Subject: Re: Marriage Act
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:17:07 GMT
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              9

Germaine,

You might also try Erica Harth's "The virtue of Love: Lord
Hardwicke's Marriage Act."  Cultural Critique 19 (Spring 1988):
123-54.  I also seem to recall--but I don't have the book at
hand--that Ruth Perry's WOmen, Letters and the Novel (1980)
had a fair bit to say about this.

Suzanne Gibson
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:35:00 CST
From:         TB0WPW1@NIU.BITNET
Subject:      Punctuation

I'm sorry to chip in so late on the punctuation question,
but I've been away from my machine for a few days.  I like
Bob Dawson's idea as a Bib. Meth. Res. class exercise, but
if what is wanted is contemporary standards from contemporary
sources have a look at Robin Alston's +Bibliography of the English
Language+  (multi-volumed and still, I believe, in progress).
Here you will find listed manuals, textbooks, etc. by which
the 18thc. sought to teach itself.  A few years ago I wanted
to know when the suffix -sse  changed to -ss (i.e., when
'goodnesse' became 'goodness' and I found Alston's work to
be the only work which really helped.

For the curious, I wanted to know because when the 'e' was
there both 's' letters were long because they were medial
but when the 'e' vanished the second 's' became short because
it was now final.  The answer is ca. 1650.

William Proctor Williams        TB0WPW1@NIU
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From:         "Renato Barahona" <U17801@UICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: E-oops?
              10 Nov 1992 10:55:06 -0500 from <RCROSBOTTOM@AMHERST>

On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 10:55:06 -0500 <RCROSBOTTOM@AMHERST> said:

Anyone care to try to deconstruct this for us?

Renato

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From:         "Mary A. Gallagher" <CATQC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      British naval officer

A colleague, J. Richard Nokes, is looking for information on British
naval officer John Meares, who served in the American Revolution and
thereafter explored the Pacific Northwest.  Mr. Nokes is interested in
learning about Meares before and after 1776 and 1790.  If you can help,
please either correspond directly with Mr. Nokes at 14650 S.W. 103rd Ave.
Tigard, Oregon, 97224 or send an e-mail message to me for forwarding.
Mary A. Gallagher
The Papers of Robert Morris
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Subject: Re: early French journalism
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:05:00 GMT
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Addendum
An updated "Dictionnaire des journalistes" is in press at the
Voltaire Foundation.
--Philip Stewart
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From:         Peter.W.Cosgrove@DARTMOUTH.EDU
Subject:      Re: working class poetry

I think the dying wail of the Thomson reference may have been due to the
possibility that it was a Davidson reference.  If the projected course
extends into the 19th-c, John Davidson's "Thirty Bob a Week" might well be
useful, though the "authentic" working-class voice is a little contrived.  It
might give you pause that the perpetrator of the cockney accents in the Waste
Land admired it.  Come to think of it Davidson also wrote a distinctly
unsentimental vivisection poem.

Peter Cosgrove
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From:         MOTOOKA@HUSC.BITNET
Subject:      guy fawkes

  Are we not omitting to observe another highly symbolic
moment in the history of British nationalism?  Nov. 5th
is also the day on which William of Orange landed in
England, is it not?  And it's also the day on which Dr.
Henry Sacheverell delivered his infamous, anti-Whig
sermon, *The Perils of False Brethren both in Church and
State*, for which he was prosecuted with great fanfare.
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From:         Hans Rollmann <hrollman@MORGAN.UCS.MUN.CA>
Subject:      Re: 18th-c. plays

Does the series have a translation of Lessing's NATHAN THE WISE?

HANS ROLLMANN
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It can be annoying to the modern reader who is not imbued with 18th-C.
punctuation principles to flow along with something quite unusual. What
I would suggest (assuming anyone cares!) is transcribing a couple of
pages (or a bit more) exactly as in the original, and then subtly modernising.
I don't think a modern edition should attempt to be a "facsimile" printing,
unless the purpose *is* to provide insights into punctuation, capping, etc.
of a certain time. (What fun it would be for us to read, e.g., med. texts
with no punctuation at all!)

--Bob Dawson
UnivTx-Austin
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From:         Randy Kloko <rkk@MAIL.LIB.DUKE.EDU>
Subject:      Assyrians

          Although the Mid-Eastern traveller might have made an honest
          mistake, I believe "Assyrian" is still a valid ethnic
          designation.  I remember reading a newspaper story in the
          70's about an Assyrian community in Detroit and how their
          language was being used in a bilingual elementary education
          program.  What their relationship is to the hordes of
          Sennacherib escapes me, but I do know that this has nothing
          to do with the 18th century, so I must have said enough
          already.
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Subject: Re: 18th-c. plays
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:30:11 GMT
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Since both plays were so often reprinted in the 18th C., why not xerox an
"original" edition and treat your students to that? It'll add flavor!

--Bob Dawson
French-Italian
UnivTx-Austin
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:55:23 PST
From:         "Don W." <webbd@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU>
Subject:      Forging nations?

>(I remind the list that it was the 18th century which invented the forgery
>of literature, nations and individuals, just in case this message seems
>totally irrelevant)

>Johan Schimanski  (johansc@hedda.uio.no)

Okay, I'll bite.  Literature and individuals I can understand,
but how does one counterfeit a nation?  Borges got some mileage
out of that, but I'm not familiar with 18c versions, unless
you're thinking of the travel literature or "romans d'anticipation."

Curiously,

Don W. (DonWebb@CSUS.EDU)
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Subject:      Re: Punctuation

Many thanks for the info to Wllm-P-Wllms. I shall read the art. with
great interest.

Pity keyboards don't automatically have long-s's; 'twld simplify life.

--Bob Dawson
UnivTx-Austin
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:52:50 -0500
From:         RCROSBOTTOM@AMHERST.BITNET
Subject:      Re: 18th-c. plays

I love your memos on life at OSU;  when you retire you should print "The Buckeye

Cynic:  Dyspeptic Aphorisms from a Lobotomized Faculty Member, i.e., a College
Dean."  Rosen, Mulligan:  God, what names from the past.  I have always thought
that Linda Mulligan was a good dancer.  It turns out that my dinner with Gee
(arranged by a friend) will not happen until later because of schedules.  He
said he wanted to meet me, he had heard of me.  Probably from Riley.  We have
a good friend who has befriended him and his daughter;  thus the invitation.
You, on teaching.  Ha.  That's like Clinton on marital fidelity.  By the way,
read G. Flower's interview in this month's PENTHOUSE.  How did he get
elected?!?!?  Love, Ron
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Subject:      Personal messages, politics, crossposting

     On Monday, November 9, 1992, J724664S@EDINBORO.EDU said:
> Please save personal responses to other people posings for E-mail. You
> needn't have to tell us every detail of your conversation, but if you feel
> it's necessary try highlights.

> Also, save the political commentary for E-mail or talk.politics, if it does
> not relate to the Eighteenth Century then it doesn't belong here.
    and last week the same e-mailer requested that C18-L users refrain
from crossposting.

    First, while we do not encourage C18-L participants to pursue private
lapses (in keyboard manipulation or judgment) online, neither do we wish
to place any restrictions on dialogue, conversation, or repartee.  One of
the most valuable components of C18-L, many participants tell us, is the
"common room" tenor of the discourse.
     Second, we agree that some "political commentary" is inappropriate
to this discussion group (such as the comments about the character of
the U.S. president-elect -- but these were meant to be private, and
were posted accidentally).  Nonetheless, the scholarly world is not
hermetically sealed, and has never been without politics and ideology;
we do not presume to censor our participants' thoughtful political
commentary -- though we prefer such commentary to be relevant in some
way to the 18th century *or* to conditions that affect the lives of
those who study the 18th century.
     Finally, because C18-L was conceived to provide its users not
only with a forum for historical, scholarly, and convivial chat, but
also with timely information of professional interest, we will
continue to welcome crosspostings of such items -- encouraging those
who crosspost to compose a clear "Subject line" for the posting, so
those who aren't interested may delete the message unread.

All best wishes,
Kevin Berland for C18-L
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:33:53 -0500
From:         J724664S@EDINBORO.EDU
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