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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Nope again (was Re: Yup, Amway's a scam)
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:20:25 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

>lou@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Lou Kvitek) writes:
>
>>In misc.consumers, jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
>>
>>> Right.  I guess I didn't make my point very clearly but the poster I'm
>>> replying to put it well.  After all, it's not just that local individuals
>>> are reluctant to spill the beans about it being Amway, but that it's so
>>> ingrained that it seems to be a matter of corporate policy to pretend you own
>>> this little local business that COULDN'T POSSIBLY be AMWAY.
>>
>>I must repeat Joel, it IS the truth (believe it or not), Amway distributors
>>run there OWN business.  Their business merely uses Amway as a supplier.
>>The same is true for your local 7-Eleven.  The 7-Eleven owner carries
>>Coca-Cola products, but he is not IN Coca-Cola.  Here merely has Coca-Cola
>>supply him with products.
>
In article <adams.721000176@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:

>Bzzzzt.  The 7-11 owner gets products from multiple vendors and sells
>directly to the public.  He doesn't need to (or try) to sign up other
>people to run 7-11's that he will supply.  In addition, he probably sells
>Pepsi products, too.  Do you sell competing products?
>
   And few 7-11 owners bore the heck out of the newsnet with
   incessant yammering about whether or not their product is or is
   not a scam...as if anyone with a life really gave a rat.


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From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
Subject: Re: Kerby Vacuum Cleaners Information
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:06:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Nov6.220606.24318
Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.

In article <199211030335.AA00480@tuna.wang.com> MANOJ.MUNJAL@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Manoj Munjal") writes:
>Does any one has experience in using Kerby Vacuum Cleaners?
>It does a good job but is it worth the price they ask for?
>The salesman I am dealing with for Kerby Vacuum cleaner is asking
>for $1275.  How low they go?
>Are they comparable to Rainbow vacuum?

We've had a couple - and they are powerful, but heavy machines.  They
are easy to find used in the $50-300 range.  I prefer lighter
machines - but we have a 2 story house - maybe in a ranch style it would
be better.


-- 
Alan L. Peterman                                 (503)-684-1984 hm & work
                       al@qiclab.scn.rain.com
It's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter!
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.entrepeneurs
From: r1156c@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Michael R. Dow)
Subject: Anyone heard of 'At Home Professions'?	 
Reply-To: r1156c@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Michael R. Dow)
Organization: David Mitchell & Associates - Austin
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:42:04 GMT

    Has anyone heard of or dealt with 'At Home Professions'?
Any opinions, insights or experiences would be welcomed.

Thanx...		

Michael R. Dow
R1156C@waccvm.corp.mot.com


--
Michael R. Dow
-N1JCX-
(...insert disclaimer...)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Subject: Re: Encyclopedia Britannica - their obnoxious salesmen
Organization: Summit NJ
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:41:57 GMT

>Anyway, what is the price, and why are Encyclopedia Britannica salesman
>so reluctant to tell you, even to the point of being obnoxious?

Maybe it's there so ashamed of the price that they have to "present" it
to you, in the same way that Amway reps are so ashamed of their
company that they won't tell you its name, except under controlled
conditions.
-- 
Stan Krieger                 All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
UNIX System Laboratories     if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
From: aem@symbiosis.ahp.com (a.e.mossberg)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: The Baldridge award (was "AT&T Universal Card (tm? by AT&T)")
Date: 6 Nov 1992 08:05:27 -0500
Organization: Symbiosis Corporation, Miami, Florida  (305) 597-4000
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: aem@symbiosis.ahp.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: symbi1.symbiosis.ahp.com
Keywords: AT&T UNIVERSAL CREDIT CARD VISA

mpb@troy.uucp (22161-bunz) writes:

>First off, the idea of using a window type envelope is stupid, why not
>just print the address on the envelope to begin with.  That's the
>answer to that problem, not the Quick Fix of printing the address on the
>other side!  You can STILL put it in the WRONG WAY!


Not to mention the environmental aspect: envelopes with plastic or cello
windows are non-recyclable. (and yes, I know there's a new window material 
that is, but who uses it? And you still have to yank out the window).

aem

-- 
andrew mossberg           systems specialist           symbiosis corporation
(305) 597-4110            fax (305) 597-4002           miami, florida 33166-6202
aem@symbiosis.ahp.com     uunet!symbi1!aem             SPAN: UMIGW::AEM
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: vinlai@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (vincent.lai)
Subject: Financial records (how long to keep?)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 22:16:25 GMT

I'd like to know how long should I keep records like my paycheck stubs,
my bank statements, etc.  They're accumulating to the point where I have
to do some housecleaning.  What's the recommended rule of thumb?

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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Apple not honoring their warranty
Keywords: Apple, warranty, non-disclosure
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:58:29 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <BxBJtp.9Lw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> thomasj@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (thomas jeffrey w) writes:
>Has anyone had ploblems with Apple not honoring their warranty?  Has Apple forced you to sign a non disclosure form to get a replacement or refund?                Any info or suggestions would be appreciated.

 Details, post details.  And x-post to comp.sys.mac.... computer
 nerds love a scandal.
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: Make money off of credit card?
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:07:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.081000.12911@u.washington.edu> tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>Assuming you want a GM car, what's to stop you from buying a lot of
>stuff on the GM card, then returning the stuff for a a refund, and using
>the refund to pay off the credit card bill before interest accrues?  Repeat
>until you've reached the maximum GM rebate.

What's to stop you?  The $500/year rebate limit. 
							reb
From: richman@reepicheep.gcn.uoknor.edu (Mike Richman)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
Subject: New request for information on freezers
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:32:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: constell.BxM3As.5oJ
Reply-To: richman@reepicheep.gcn.uoknor.edu (Mike Richman)
Followup-To: misc.consumers.house
Distribution: usa
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu

Numerous people have either posted or emailed me suggesting that
self-defrosting freezers are hard on food or reduce the shelf life.
Thanks!  So, if we decide to go to a regular (non-self-defrosting)
model, any thoughts on the relative advantages/disadvantages of a chest
freezer versus an upright model?  We live in central Oklahoma, home of
the 70 degree dewpoint in summer, and the freezer will be housed in our
garage.
-- 
Mike Richman                        !CIMMS/The University of Oklahoma
richman@reepicheep.gcn.uoknor.edu   !100 East Boyd, Room 1110
405-325-3460 (office) 325-7614 (fax)!Norman, OK  73019-0628  USA
From: paul.westley@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Westley) 
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: ***POLICE INTIMIDATION ??
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:16:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: paul.westley@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Westley) 

Wow, that's one horrible story.  I recently went through a small court
case (nothing like this), but I can tell you the two judges (they
appealed the first trial) were both very perceptive.  However, both had
their quirks, for instance, one would only let you talk in response to a
specific question from him, so if the defendant said "he then threw it
on the floor", the judge would turn to me and say "did you then throw it
on the floor".  The other judge let it go a bit more free-form, so
unless I mentioned their comment on my turn, he might or might not ask
me to respond, and if I didn't respond on my own, it might make me look
bad.  I know that neither of them liked us to interrupt each other.  I
would suggest 1). Chat with a lawyer for 30 minutes (may be free if
you're lucky, or maybe $50), 2). Try not to go first in court, I don't
know how you can get out of it if you are first, but it made a great
deal of difference to my case to see how the judge reacts, and what
buttons not to press.  3). Plead NOT GUILTY.  Fine or no fine, if you
believe in your innocence, stick with that, you've got to live with
yourself in the morning.  4). Don't talk intimidtion or prejudice, just
tell it the way it happened.  Tell the judge you didn't fully
comprehend the situation until it was too late, the policeman came over
very quickly and you panicked a little.  You had your window closed so
were not aware of a possible situation going down, you just wanted to
make the turn and get out of there.  Apologize to the cop for spooking
him, your intent was in no way to disrespect or annoy him.

Just my opinion, please don't take my advise without some real legal
help, but personally, the way you told it, the judge would have to be
pretty nasty to find against you.  Good luck.
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Pigment dyed clothes
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:38:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Nov5.223845.7280
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio

In article <1d13i0INNs6e@skat.usc.edu> jslee@skat.usc.edu (John S. Lee) writes:
>What is the proper way to stop pigment-dyed clothes from bleeding
>color?
>
>I have a pair of green cargo shorts which still rub green after the
>initial washing, the one they claim will halt the color rub.
>
>My hands get green just from reaching into the pockets on a typical
>use.

Sounds like a dollar bill.  The green color on the back stays
forever and ever.

Actually "pigment-dyed" is sort of a misnomer.   In a dye the color
particles mix and dissolve in the liquid, while in a pigment the
color particles remain as small undissolved particles.


-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
Newsgroups: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
From: giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gianchandani)
Subject: Re: Kerby Vacuum Cleaners Information
Followup-To: misc.consumers,misc.consumers.house
Summary: Why are we talking about a Dirt Devel
Keywords: We are talking about a Kirby not a Dirt Devel
Organization: OpenCon Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 22:15:33 GMT

In article <1984@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> jcoates@ncrsmg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Jim D Coates) writes:
>In article <199211030335.AA00480@tuna.wang.com> MANOJ.MUNJAL@OFFICE.WANG.COM
>("Manoj Munjal") writes:
>>Does any one has experience in using Kerby Vacuum Cleaners?
>>It does a good job but is it worth the price they ask for?
>>The salesman I am dealing with for Kerby Vacuum cleaner is asking
>>for $1275.  How low they go?
>>Are they comparable to Rainbow vacuum?
>>
>>Thanks for the information.
>>
>>Manoj Munjal
>
>We've had a Royal Dirt Devil upright for 10 months now, and it does a great
>job. It has on-board storage of the accessories as well as extra belts and
>bags. The hose detaches from on top, to do accessory cleaning without having
>to attach anything underneath.
>
>The point? We paid $139.95 for it. And got a free Royal Dirt Devil handheld
>vacuum in the bargain. Don't pay $1275 for a vacuum. 
>
>-Jim
>

	Excuse me Jim, but, the gentlemen wanted info on Kirby's not a
Dirt Devel's. Secondly, have you compared your Dirt Devel to a Kirby
in cleaning (or vacuuming) ability?. (I know you have already compared 
the price) :-).
	From what I have used (and own), Electorlux, Hoover's, 
and Regina's there is no comparision in cleaning ability to that of 
the Kirby.  Longevity of the product is a second, but an important
issue to me, (especially since I'm paying so much for a Vaccume Cleaner)
but from what I hear from people on the net. with reference to this
thread, I'm glad I bought one, which will last over 20 years.  
Over time, not only does one save the money on the machine but also 
the carpet maintainance is also reduced and the carpets will last 
longer (this especially true for a homeowner) .




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Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: gjohn@ostrich.Stanford.EDU (George John)
Subject: Re: 20th century ins company?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University, CA, USA
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:41:04


On 20th Century Insurance:
>   They got rid of their 800 number, but you can call COLLECT
>   (818) 704-3100

That's odd, because just yesterday I called 18005551212 to ask for
their number (by the way, 800 info is *free*) and they gave it
to me.  (Sorry, number isn't handy, but don't be shy about using
your own phone to get it.)

--George
From: grund@calypso.som.cwru.edu (Victor Grund)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Shoppers Advantage Club
Date: 13 Nov 1992 04:35:41 GMT
Organization: International Business Machines, Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: calypso.som.cwru.edu
X-Post-Machine: calypso.som.cwru.edu


I'm soliciting opinions of the Shoppers Advantage Club seen on
CompuServe (go sac).  I saw some incredible deals on some things, but
generally they seem a bit random in their pricing.  Opinions?

Victor
--
Victor D. Grund        | grund@pyrite.som.cwru.edu 
IBM Cleveland Mktg Ops | grund@vnet.ibm.com        
RISC System/6000 & AIX | DETVMIC6(VGRUND)          
(216) 664-7381         | FAX: (216) 664-7348       
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: thomasj@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (thomas jeffrey w)
Subject: Apple not honoring their warranty
Summary: Apple not honoring warranties!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:56:12 GMT
Keywords: Apple, warranty, non-disclosure

Has anyone had ploblems with Apple not honoring their warranty?  Has Apple forced you to sign a non disclosure form to get a replacement or refund?                Any info or suggestions would be appreciated.
ZZ
From: fino@point.cs.uwm.edu (Alexander Finogenov)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Financial records (how long to keep?)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 17:04:32 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.5

In article <1992Nov7.221625.29262@cbfsb.cb.att.com> vinlai@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (vincent.lai) writes:
: I'd like to know how long should I keep records like my paycheck stubs,
: my bank statements, etc.  They're accumulating to the point where I have
: to do some housecleaning.  What's the recommended rule of thumb?
: 

I don't think there is an answer.  You may never need them, but it may happen
that you would be awfully glad that you saved them.

About one year ago in Milwaukee one gentleman received a statement from police
department that he did not pay parking tickets (and/or something else) dated
several years ago.  According to the statement, this gentleman owed several
hundred dollars (fees, interest).  He was lucky to save old cancelled check
(if I'm not mistaken, approx. 8 years old) so he could prove that he in fact
has paid everything in time.

So just put everything for each year in a separate bag and store somewhere in
your basement. That's the way I do.

Get IRS Tax Guide on the topics you file usually your taxes.  There should be
something about that (concerning papers they may be interested in).

Alex
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: fs@cs.tulane.edu (Frank Silbermann)
Subject: buzzing air-cleaner
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:13:45 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-11264]: caesar


I've owned a TRON electrostatic air filter for a couple of years.
This time after its periodic cleaning, instead of hearing
whooshing air punctuated by occasional random pops (dust being zapped),
there is a steady buzzing sound.

Any ideas what has gone wrong, or if it can or should be repaired?

fs@cs.tulane.edu
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: nicholl@cs.uiuc.edu (Sheldon Nicholl)
Subject: Experience with a doctor?
Keywords: Enderlein
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:22:54 GMT


I'm trying to track down the reputation of a doctor and his treatments.
If anyone has had any experience with:

(1) Dr. Harvey Bigelsen, M.D.
    Center for Progressive Medicine
    Scottsdale, Arizona

or:

(2) The "Enderlein" method of treating
    chronic diseases,

please let me know.



E-mail, please. Thanks,

--Sheldon Nicholl
nicholl@cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Subject: Re: Bally's Health Club SUCKS Read this...
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:53:25 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

hubcap@hubcap.clemson.edu (System Janitor) writes:
> >>You evidently have learned how to victimize yourself.
> >I have to agree with Ray.  You did yourself in on this one.
> 
> The original poster may not have a legal let to stand on, but it still 
> seems to me as if he was slimed over by a slick scumbag. He told the Bally's
> guy his situation, and the Bally's guy looked him in the eye and lied, while
> thinking to himself ``Now if this sucker just believes me and doesn't read
> the reference pointed to by the addendum to the fine print...''.
> 

Hard to say. It's entirely possible that the Bally's guy didn't *know* the
truth; that he had either never read the contract or had not understood it.
(These salespeople are not chosen for their critical reading skills, folks.)
I was taken once in a similar way, and blame only myself. If you let a
salesperson interpret a contract for you, you are assuming that (a) the
salesperson understands the contract, AND (b) the salesperson's intentions
are good, AND (c) the salesperson understands which clauses are important
to you. That's too big a set of assumptions. 

Always read everything you sign. If the salesperson's explanation differs
from the text, believe the text.


-- 
Laura Johnson
lpj@hpcsos.col.hp.com
Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.
From: nfs@atomic (Norbert Schlenker)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: FORD visa vs. DISCOVER
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:24:34 GMT
Organization: Princeton University, Dept. of Computer Science
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Nov05.153749.150275@watson.ibm.com> rubin@watson.ibm.com (Bill Rubin) writes:
>In <1992Nov4.141930.20887@Princeton.EDU> nfs@elan (Norbert Schlenker) writes:
>>The rebate is uniformly better than Discover, for a card that is
>>useful at many more places.  I confirmed these terms with customer
>>service at 800-638-FORD ten minutes ago.
>
>Did you ask them about a new account or your existing account? ...

Stupid me.  I phoned them, they asked for my account number, I gave it
to them, they confirmed the good rebate, and I posted the numbers.

BUT ... phoning this morning and telling them that I had no account
elicited the information that new accounts get 1/2% rebates for quick
payers and 1 1/2% rebates for people who run balances (which offsets
the interest, approximately), exactly as stated by the person who
started this thread.  I apologize for posting incomplete, and thus
misleading, information.

In summary, most existing holders of Ford cards have a great deal.
This is particularly true for people who carry no balances.  New
customers definitely receive an inferior product, although it is still
competitive with many other cards.  In particular, the Ford card with
the new terms is still comparable to Discover (worse for fast payers,
better for slow payers) and, since it's a Visa, generally more useful.

Make your own decision.

Norbert
nfs@cs.princeton.edu
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Subject: Re: Big Brother Radio Shack
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:11:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.182416.28815@opencon.com> giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gianchandani) writes:
>In article <742@emdgat.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> kklein@emdgat.Dayton.NCR.COM (Ken.Klein@DaytonOH.NCR.COM) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct29.042510.11379@itsmail1.hamilton.edu> jmalloy@itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Joseph T. Malloy) writes:
>>>In article <5160005@hpsad.sad.hp.com> smithj@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Jim Smith) writes:
>>>>
>>>.
>>
>>
>>It also works for the times when they "demand" a phone number on a credit
>>card transaction.
>>
>	
>	They can no longer do this, IT IS Against the LAW if they do
>	it in New Jersey.
>	

Also against the law in New York.  A merchant, including RS, cannot
require a phone number when payment is made by check.

Dave


-- 

Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
From: manglani@ctron.com (Bharat Manglani)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers
Subject: Re: US to Europe electrical transformers
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:35:26 GMT
Reply-To: manglani@netlab.brown.edu (Bharat Manglani)

In article <27278@dog.ee.lbl.gov> julian@baldur.lbl.gov (julian cortella) writes:
>
>I will be moving to France soon, and I was wondering about the 110 to 220V
>transformer problem.  So here are a couple of questions:
>
> o Does anybody know of a good cheap source for such transformers, mail
>   order or otherwise? What's a decent price?

I know of a mail order company and I have had very good experience with 
them, they are in Bocaraton Florida.
PowerMill
P.O.Box 03894
Bocaraton, FL 33427

Their prices are lower than the prices I found at RadioShack and they 
also carry input/output 220-110V as well as auto-transformer upto 500Watt.

>
> o Are there different types of transformers?  What should I look for?

  You can use auto-transformer based converters (small size) for resistive
  loads such as IRON, cofee maker, heater, sandwich maker etc. For fax,
  stereo system and other loads buy Input/Output type converters with
  Power rating more than equal to the rated power of your equipment.

>
> o Which appliances and stuff will work in Europe?  I already know that
>   a TV & VCR won't.  Nor will electric clocks keep time properly.  What
>   about a microwave oven?  I assume my cheap coffeemaker and iron will
>   work.  Anything else?
>
    Your clock will work properly, it converts AC to DC.
    TV & VCR will not work because of different Video Standards NTSC vs SECAM
  
    All your devices should work with converters. 
    
> o Is there another newsgroup that might be of more help?
>
>If anybody has some info on this kind of problem, I'd appreciate
>any help.  
>
>Thanks,
>
>julian

Good Luck
Bharat

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