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From: howells@bird.mitre.org (Timothy P. Howells)
Subject: Re: Best Book on JFK Killing
Keywords: JFK
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:41:36 GMT

 gst@stiatl.salestech.com writes:

>     What is the best book on the JFK assination?
> My wife does not believe Kennedy was "removed"
> from office by the Mafia and/or the CIA.

Hi,

   The JFK assassination is one of those poorly understood subjects
for which there's no classic or definitive source.  I'd recommend the
following books, each with their own strengths and weaknesses:

  _Contract on America_ by David Scheim

   For a person who is sceptical about the whole idea of a conspiracy
and who is inclined to believe the Warren Report, I'd recommend
_Contract on America_, which concentrates almost exclusively on the
strongest evidence for conspiracy and coverup: the evidence linking
organized crime to the assassination.  I don't see how anyone could
read this book and come away with any faith in the official version of
the story.


  _Plausible Denial_ by Mark Lane

  This is the story of a trial in which Lane obtained an acquital on
libel charges for a journalist who had accused E. Howard Hunt (of
Watergate fame) of involvement in the assassination of John Kennedy.
The acquittal was based not on the technicalities of the law regarding 
libel, but on the grounds that Hunt quite likely *had* been involved
in the assassination.  When the story gets very far from the testimony
produced in the course of the trial, it sometimes becomes quite
anecdotal.  It's very well written though, and provides a fascinating
glimpse of the dark underside of our government.


  _Crossfire_ by Jim Marrs
  _Reasonable Doubt_ by Henry Hurt
  _Conspiracy_ by Anthony Summers

  These are my favorites of the books that give an overview of the
evidence for conspiracy.  Any such book will be very confusing for a
newcomer to the subject though, since there are so many threads to the
story, so many false leads, and so much disinformation.

Tim Howells <howells@linus.mitre.org>
From: battin@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (L GENE BATTIN)
Subject: Re: Book: The Man on the Grassy Knoll
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Organization: VENUS.IUCF.INDIANA.EDU
Distribution:  usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:45:59 GMT

Hate to follow up my own post, but ...

In article <BzLH73.I5n@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, 
battin@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (L GENE BATTIN) stupidly writes

> 
>named Charles Rogers was "the man on the grassy knoll" who actually
>killed J.F.K. (and apparently also occasionaly impersonated him, including
>the trip to the Cuban embassy in Mexico.)

implying that Rogers impersonated J.F.K.  Actually, he is supposed to have been
impersonating Oswald.

> 
>So, has anybody any comments to make on this?

Yeah, dummy, don't post after midnight while brain's not in gear...

-Gene
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: Best Book on JFK Killing
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:49:29 GMT
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Dec19.031016.1298@u.washington.edu>, twarner@hardy.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner) writes:

[deleted]

> 
> I think Lane's "Plausible Denial" can be skipped; at least don't buy it.
> It's pretty much a weak cash-in on the movie that tries very hard to make
            
The movie came out after "Plausible Denial" which provided many details for
Stone's movie.  It relates the story of the only time a jury has in effect
said "Yes, there was a conspiracy" as Hunt's libel suit was defeated on
appeal.  It does an excellent job of showing the whole mechanism of
CIA coverup. If it is "weak", it is only in that it is painstakingly
documented and filled-in with detail and not an easy-read like the
equally valuable work of Jim Garrison's "On the Trail of the Assassins"
which also provided much material for the movie.

Fletcher Prouty's "JFK", a new work, is hard to beat for providing
motive for the crime.  It has the bonus that it gives younger readers
a flavor of the times and somewhat frightening insights into the
Vietnam war era and conspiracy theory in general.

-Joe Gaut
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Route of JFK's Limo
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 06:54:26 GMT

Mike_Quigley@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Quigley) writes:

>Does anyone know the exact route that JFK's limo was to take from Love Field
>to the Convention Center? Would appreciate it if you could post this, or
>direct me to somewhere which has this info.

"The Death of a President" by William Manchester has a route map,
as well as the map of the funeral and the layout of Parkland and Air
Force One.

The map shows:

Love Field
left on Mockingbird Lane
right on Lemmon Avenue
right on Turtle Creek Blvd.
left on Cedar Springs Rd.
left on Harwood Street
right on Main Street
right on Houston
left on Elm
right on Stemmons Freeway

[unmarked turns]

onto Happy Hines Blvd
past Trade Mart to Parkland Memorial Hospital [unplanned]
From: balaji@milli.cs.umn.edu (Balaji Srinivasan)
Subject: Doubt:JFK
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:44:05 GMT


  Hi, 
      The movie JFK was based on a book. What book was that ? 
      Can anyone enlighten me ? 

      Please send mail to balaji@cs.umn.edu 

  - S.Balaji
From: sboswell@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Xianity is stupid)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Scientists & inventions
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:34:15 GMT
Reply-To: whatis@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Organization: Universal Media Netweb

What are some famous scientists/inventions that disappeared without a
trace and without an explanation?  I seem to remember hearing about
someone who invented a simple way to increase gas efficiency
dramatically, and he was going to meet some people about it when he
disappeared.  (Real helpful info, I know.)

Anyways, can someone provide me with a few names & inventions?

Please mail answers, I'll mail out summaries if there's interest.

ObConspiracy: The Earth is a prison for the Galactic Confederacy, of
which we are a nominal member.  (Explains a lot, don't it?)

Steve Boswell
whatis@gnu.ai.mit.edu
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13333 alt.cyberpunk:6788 alt.discordia:601 alt.magick:6399 alt.slack:3552 alt.postmodern:2811 alt.society.anarchy:909 talk.politics.theory:5532 rec.arts.books:22906
From: Mitchell.Porter@launchpad.unc.edu (Mitchell Porter)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.cyberpunk,alt.discordia,alt.magick,alt.slack,alt.postmodern,alt.society.anarchy,talk.politics.theory,rec.arts.books
Subject: Getting Hakim Bey's _TAZ_ available via anon ftp
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:28:05 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

An excerpt from Hakim Bey's book T.A.Z. was just posted to a heap of
groups. Another excerpt was recently posted to alt.magick.  I know of a
number of people planning to transcribe part or all of the book. So that
eople don't go duplicating each other's efforts, could anyone who has part
or all of TAZ online, is planning to transcribe ppart of it, knows where
part is archived, etc etc, ploease mail me information or a copy. This way
we can get one complete copy available on the net, rather than dribs and
drabs in different laces.

Follow-ups set to rec.arts.books.
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From: hoza@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (HOZA MARK R)
Subject: Re: A Letter to the Editor
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:09:11 GMT

I, too, am worried about the Somalian situation.  You may note that it is not
our President's decision any more than it is the decision of Congress.  The
U.S. is no longer a soveriegn country.  We have a treaty with the United
Nations, and when the UN says go, we go.  I heard one of the President's 
advisors (?) say on public radio that "This has been a United Nations operation
from the word 'go'."

What a nice New World Order.  A world run by the Illuminati through the UN and
of the member nations' armies.

Mark
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: CIA Now Plotting a Coup D'etat Against the Government of Cuba
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:54:31 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University


I for one would be surprised if this story were not true, at least with
respect to its basic elements.  The CIA was responsible for the Bay of
Pigs fiasco and has made several attempts at getting Castro out of the
way over the years.  Recent evidence has reinforced the story that George
Bush was involved in the Bay of Pigs and he would certainly have been
involved in other efforts when he headed the CIA.  Castro has been a
thorn in Bush's side for many years and he would probably like to be the
one to take credit for "freeing" Cuba [maybe installing another Batista
style puppet???].  One would think this would be high on his list as
he cleans off his desk in the oval office.  I have no love for Castro
but wouldn't mind seeing George frustrated one more time on the way out.

-Joe Gaut
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:13184 talk.politics.misc:64312
From: hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)
Subject: Re: Expose famous historical figures who hated Jews
Reply-To: Hallam@zeus02.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:41:04 GMT

In article <Bz07IF.47z@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v140pxgt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel
B Case) writes:

|>In article <1992Dec9.052819.543@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
|>writes...
|>>Nixon is a pretty clear-cut case.  Bush, unwittingly, made anti-Semitic
|>>statements in 1991, and then repudiated them, but you'll see him quoted
|>>in anti-Semitic conspiracy theory tracts for decades to come.
|>
|>Thanks. I knew I'd forgotten one. What is it Nixon says to Julie on one of the
|>|>Watergate tapes? "The arts are to be avoided-they are too Jewish, too
|>left-wing"
|>According to Harry Shearer, on the tapes available for public listening at
|>the
|>National Archives annex in Alexandria, there are some anti-Semitic remarks-I 
|>don't whether these are the ones in question.
|>
|>On the same subject, we should also remember James Baker's widely quoted (but
|>|>denied, although suspiciously laggardly) remark last fall-"Fuck the Jews.
|>They
|>didn't vote for us."

I think that the above are not so much examples of anti-semitism but of the
mindset of career politicians in general.

If the voters knew the cynical lengths that politicians go to they would be
amazed. I have seen maps drawn with the consitituency boundaries on and the
planning of refuse collection rearranged so that the marginal wards see vast
improvements in service just before an election.

Racist language on the left is pretty much non-existent, but racist attitudes
are very much present. On the right the racist language appears in private. If
the British conservative party spoke in public as I have heard them speak in
private they would be ostracised. Of course there is possibly an element of
deliberatly attempting to shock me personaly because it is well known that I am
left wing despite the family connections.

James Baker was making a calculation that Clinton will also have made,
ultimately the Israeli lobby has little real power becasue most of it's
supporters are committed to one party or the other anyway and won't swing on the
issue. The Republican party supported Israel because it needed an aly in the
region during the cold war. As soon as they got a permanent base in Iraq they
could afford to say "fuck the Jews".

The cynicism of Baker and co can be seen from their attacking Clinton for going
to "elitist" "left wing" Oxford. Funny I would have though that a scholarship to
Oxford was rather less elitist than Bush's father paying for him to go to Yale.
As for left wing, Oxford produced that well known pinko, fellow traveller
Margret Thatcher.

Bush and his ilk hate anything and anyone who stand in the way of them getting
status. This may well be the same motive that drives the petty street corner
bigot too, if they haven't got anything to be proud of at least they can be
proud of not being a Jew/Black/Catholic/Arab/etc.

--
Phill Hallam-Baker
From: mayor@ee.umanitoba.ca (Cam "You didn't see me!" Mayor)
Subject: Re: Full moon and tides
Reply-To: mayor@ee.umanitoba.ca
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:34:04 GMT

In article 1gigbeINNk69@gap.caltech.edu, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:
>
>The moon is not the sole source of tides.  The tidal effects of the sun are
>also significant.  During new and full moons, the tidal effects of the sun and
>the moon reinforce each other.  Hence higher tides during new and full moons,
>ceteris paribus.

During the new moon, the moon is on the same side of the earth as the sun.  During
full moon, the moon is on the OPPOSITE side of the earth as the sun.  So shouldn't
the gravitational tugs oppose each other during full moon and reinforce each other
during the new moon only?

I think so.  Maybe I'm wrong.  Think about it.
From: bernst@husc10.harvard.edu (Noam Bernstein)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Red-rimmed lunar eclipses
Date: 12 Dec 92 09:52:27 GMT

The same reason the sky is blue.  The air scatters blue light better than
longer wavelength light (like red).  I.e., the blue light gets scattered
away, and the red goes through with less loss.  The parts of the moon that
are beinglit by light going through the atmosphere are red.

I think.

						Noam

					    noamb@das.harvar.edu
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:29:41 -0500 
From: "Stephen M. Lacy" <sl31+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Avogadro Number

Excerpts from netnews.alt.folklore.science: 11-Dec-92 Avogadro Number by
Guntur N Balaji@andrew.c 
> Just wondering how Avogadro got to his number.  6.023E23 atoms....

One more curious question, what EXACTLY is Avogadro's number?  It only
has 24 digits, right?  (since we can't have < 1 atom)  I've never seen
it anywhere, although I don't have access to Physics or Chemistry CRC's.
 (make any Comp.Sci jokes you want :) )

Steve


"I can't understand what makes a man hate another man, help me
understand." -Depeche Mode

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
From: juola@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (Patrick Juola)
Subject: Re: Monty Hall / Shell Game / Dixie Cups
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 17:29:44 GMT

In article <9212151514.AA02487@isfrance.encore.fr> kstock@isfrance.encore.fr (Kevin Stock) writes:
>checkett@dbsun.uucp asks:
>>
>> Here's the questions:
>> Should the player switch to the other cup or stay pat?
>> What are the odds?
>
>
>Since there are only three doors, we can enumerate the possibilities.
>
>There are three doors, one of which hides a car, the other two hide
>goats.  So, there are three possibilities:

Flawed proof by enumeration (miss-adding of cases) deleted.

There's a much simpler way to solve this problem

observation 1 -- if the player guesses right at first (1/3 chance), then he
wins by staying, loses by switching.  Obviously.

observation 2 -- if the player guesses wrong at first (2/3) chance, then
Monty will show the goat that he didn't pick.  So there is a goat which
the player picked (by assumption), and one closed door which must by
elimination be the prize.  So the player wins by switching and loses by
staying.

q.e.d.
From: csa09@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Paul Singleton)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Car Batteries die in the Winter - Why?
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:32:04 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <Bz7tFD.CF6@ais.org>, by draper@ais.org (Patrick Draper):

> In cold weather chemical processes generally proceed at a slower rate. A
> marginal battery in warm weather might not crank out enough juice to turn an
> engine over in cold weather.

But wouldn't it warm up as soon as the starter tried to draw current (a
couple of hundred amps I believe) from it?  Does cold affect its stored
energy, or just the internal impedance?  Does the EMF depend on temperature?
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From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Full moon and tides
Date: 14 Dec 1992 17:30:22 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec14.153154.22191@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger) writes:
=Over the weekend, I heard a network news commentator say that high winds  
=and a full moon caused (or made worse) the higher-than-usual tide that  
=caused so much damage along the northeast coast. What does a full moon  
=have to do with it? I find it hard to believe that a full moon has any  
=effect on the tides. The mass of the moon, and hence its gravitational  
=pull on the ocean doesn't change, nor does its distance from the earth (at  
=least not because the moon is full). The only thing that really changes is  
=that we on earth can see more of the moon. Is this an urban legend or  
=what?

The moon is not the sole source of tides.  The tidal effects of the sun are
also significant.  During new and full moons, the tidal effects of the sun and
the moon reinforce each other.  Hence higher tides during new and full moons,
ceteris paribus.
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Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
From: mapac@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr H M Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Science vs technology
Followup-To: alt.folklore.science
Date: 15 Dec 1992 13:25:48 -0000
Organization: Maths Institute, Warwick University, UK.
Distribution: world
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	I'm not certain if this is the correct newsgroup for such a discussion
 but I'm interested to hear other peoples views.
	About a week ago I was involved in an argument ( lubricated by a little
alchoholic refreshment :-)  ) about science and technology, the basic points 
discussed were as follows.
	I personally consider science to be the search for answers, trying to
discover why things work. This is an ultimately futile attempt since no 
matter what answers you arrive at the question why can still be asked.
	For example consider Newton's law of gravity, it states that two 
objects attract each other in proportion to the product of their masses, and
inversely to their distance apart. Why? Einstien says that this is because they
warp space-time around them, hence they are able to be seen to act upon each
other at a distance. Why do they distort space-time ?  and so on and so forth.
Thus while the Newton gives an excellent description of what is occurring it
still leaves a host of questions unanswered. In a sense it focuses the area of
doubt, we know why objects fall to the ground, planets orbit the sun etc IF we
know why there is this force between them.
	Technology on the other hand I consider to be the search for things 
that work. i.e. the question why is not the motivating force, tangible results 
are what is important here. So for a 'technologist' Newton's gravity is fine
since it gives us the results wanted. i.e. How to navigate to the moon, orbits
for satellites etc. 
	The question is which should motivate a modern scientist ? Are 
getting tangible results all that is necessary ? Are what I consider scientists
actually philosophers ?
	Any comments and additions to the above via e-mail or this newsgroup
would be welcome.

		Haydyn

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From: ST102315@brownvm.brown.edu (Jake)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Nit-pick on arm question
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:06:57 EST
Organization: Brown University
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I can never resist a cheap shot...sorry....

>Because men usually do the driving for a couple and put their left arms
>out the window and vice-versa?

This means that men usually do the driving and put the window out their
left arms, or else that left arms usually do the driving and put their
men out the window, I'm not sure which.  If I'd ever seen the activity
in question, I might be able to tell; but since I haven't...

Nit-pickingly,
jwgh
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: Shell Game (Dixie cups work too)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 18:55:27 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec11.204515.19071@dbsun.uucp>, check@dbsun.uucp (checkett) writes:
>Action:
>The dealer secretly places the quarter under one of the three cups.
>The player is asked to point to the cup of his choice.
>After the player makes his choice, the dealer removes one of the empty cups.
>Two upside-down cups remain, the one the player picked, and a second cup.
>One of which hides the quarter.
>The player is given the option to switch to the second cup or stay with 
>his original selection.
>
>Here's the questions:
>Should the player switch to the other cup or stay pat?
>What are the odds?

This is in the rec.puzzles FAQ.  Given the rules as you've stated them (the
dealer must always remove an empty cup from the two to which the player did not
point), then:
	If the player stays with the cup he originally picked, he's got a 1/3
	chance of winning;

	If the player now switches cups, he's got a 2/3 chance of winning.

Note that this hinges on the fact that the dealer MUST remove an empty cup to
which the player did not point.
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Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.science