From: mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mike A. McAngus)
Subject: Re: Violence in the bible?
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Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1993 01:32:18 GMT

Joe Beiter (joeb@arden.linet.org) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan02.215253.26727@jcnpc.cmhnet.org> mam@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (Mi
ke A. McAngus) writes:
: >Joe Beiter (joeb@arden.linet.org) wrote:
: >
: >A neat sidestep of the implicit question.  Given my above scenario, am I
: >justified in executing the man who commitied adultery with Mrs. Henderson?
: >Why or why not.
:
: Oh sorry.  I didn't think you were serious.  You are not justified and would
: be guilty of murder.
:
: Assuming you are from the USA, you have no legal right to kill someone out
: side of some cases of self-protection.  Socially its really none of your
: business what Mrs. Henderson does less of course you're Mr. Henderson.

I was simply using the punishment described in the original post (I think.  I 
didn't save the original and you've deleted the portion that I responded to).
The situation was originally raised by you Mr. Beiter and you said you couldn't
pass judgement because you were also attracted to Mrs. Henderson.  You went so 
far as to equate thinking about adultery with commiting adultery (an absurd 
equation IMNSHO).

:
: But how about a little equal time?  Why do you find it hard to belive there
: is a God who is this interested in the human race?  Solely because you've
: "Never seen him"?  If there was a God, how would you expect him to act that
: you would know he is real?

Tell me.  So many other non-believers were told directly (according to your 
bible), and I see no difference between myself and those people.  In fact, I 
want to know which makes be a better candidate that Saul of Tarsus.

: : God (of The Bible) is not like us.  You're talking a different set of scal
: >: here.
: >: >
: >: >If the "justice" is immoral by our limited standards, how can it be moral
 by
: >: >"different set of scales"?  From human experience, justice tends to becom
e m
: >: >humane as peoples philosophical basis expands.
: >:
: >: relativity.
: >
: >Duh!  I must be really stupid, could you expand your one word reply.
: >
:
: Sorry, I didn't mean to imply.
:
: I'm thinking of Webster's 2 entry for the word. "the state of being dependent
: for existence on or determined in nature, value, or quality by relation to
: something else".
:
: What I mean is this, Our sense of justice is corrupted by our environment.
: Friends cheat on their spouses (with a wink), Criminals walk free when they
: have enough $$s etc...  God is independent of our entire point of view.
: Shoot he has existed forever and will exist forever, has a bunch of monsters
: floating around him at all hours chanting "Holy Holy Holy" and you're amazed
: that his sense of justice is unlike yours?

Ah yes, but most of us condemn cheating on ones spouse, criminals buying their
freedom, etc... I don't see how "relative" ethics (usually referred to as 
situational ethics) applies.  Show me how gods "justice" is reasonable.  I'm 
reasonably intelligent (though not as intelligent as some who post their IQ 
scores.  The only IQ score that was ever told to me was an 89).

:
:
: >The Truth is still the Truth
: >Even if you choose to ignore it.
:
: Nice line.  Mind if I use it on another net?  ;-)
:

Heck no, use it here.  I stole it from Scott Parish who doesn't realize its 
full implications.

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