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From: ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Who'll be the next American President?
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:57:56 GMT
Organization: MacDTS Mongols

In article <1992Apr10.183905.20743@sunic.sunet.se>, eric@sejnet.sunet.se (Eric
Thomas, SUNET) writes:
> >Beeing an Eagle scout will help you get into Colleges and Universities
> >in the states. If two people were applying/competing for a place at 
> >college with the same grades from high school, the Eagle scout would be 
> >the one who got accepted.
> 
> I ought to send a copy of this to your local scout association. I get the
> feeling that they would be disappointed to see you defend their organization
on
> the basis of incidental prejudices of that kind. But, of course, I understand
> that when you haven't got much else to show on your CV and are aiming for a US
> university, it may be a good idea to talk about your being just one lousy
merit
> badge away from Eagle scout rather than mumble something vaguely related while
> keeping your eyes down and your hands in your lap. Ah, but that reminds me of
> an older discussion about military medals and their effects on job hunts - we
> don't have to go through this again, I hope.

What I've heard and seen, any merits with organizations is a plus when applying
for colleges, it is of minor importance if the applicant has been active
inside scouting, a public TV station, or helping people inside a charity 
organization. One possible negative group would be an atheist organization I 
guess, but that's more of a common prejudice problem over here.

Cheers,
Kent
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Prime minister says Sweden gaining democratic freedom
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:42:23 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Apr10.151322.13422@eua.ericsson.se> euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik.Ostman) writes:
>Apparently, subsidies should ideally be payed to all. All gain, beacuse
>all are users, and all lose because all pay taxes. Of course, some people,
>all people, wnat to gain more than the others and pay less. So they
>change their way of life so as to get as much subsisies as possible,
>and to pay as little tax as possible. You have very strong economic
>incentives to live your life this way. THIS WAY IS NOT THE WAY THE
>POLITICIANS INTENDED WHEN THEY DECIDED ABOUT THE TAXES AND SUBSIDIES.
  
  Wrong, at least in the case of childcare. The effects are exactly as the 
politicians intended. The model society expressly aimed for is one where
every grown person, male and female, work for a wage. Their children are
taken care of at daghem (kindergartens) where they are thought to be 
harmonious, cooperative citizens who place the collective before the 
individual.

>  ______                     _~
> (_/_ _  _  _/) _  . /)     / ) , _/)     _
>__/ _/(_(/_(/__/(_/_/Z_    (_/_/)_/__/))_(I_/)_

-bertil-, offer f|r skolans grupparbete.
--
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 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
From: blehr@idt.unit.no (Anders Blehr)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Archaic Viking dialect in the news
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:54:19 GMT
Reply-To: blehr@idt.unit.no (Anders Blehr)
Distribution: soc
Organization: Div. of CS & Telematics, Norwegian Institute of Technology

Steinar Bang writes:

|> Kent Sandvik said:
|> 
|> > What about the Swedish spoken on Gotland and Oland, isn't that also
|> > very ancient, related to the original Swedish spoken by vikings?
|> > This dialect reminds me of my own Finnish-Swedish one, a lot of
|> > vowel combinations missing in standard Swedish, and use of gender
|> > (as in German).
|> 
|> What do you mean by use of gender, as in German?
|> Both standard Swedish and Norwegian use genders on the nouns. I'm not
|> sure about Swedish, but Norwegian has three (though conservatives only
|> acknowledge two, using feminine nouns is soooo vulgar y'know...:-)

I think (correct me if I'm wrong) Kent meant to say `use of *cases*
(as in German)'.  The use of cases can also be found in some very few
Norwegian dialects (`dalamaal'), a remnant from the old times when
cases were used in all Germanic languages.  Cases are still used in
Icelandic and Faeroese, as we all know.... ;-)

|> - Steinar

- Anders.

-- 
 Anders Blehr      [blehr@idt.unit.no]       /   "No matter what mind is,
 Division of Computer Systems & Telematics  /   never mind what matter is."
 Norwegian Institute of Technology         /            - Einstein to Freud
    --- "I wish I was a fisherman, tumbling on the sea" (Mike Scott) ---
From: lyled@pnet05.cts.com (Lyle Davis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Hard times in Norway?
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:10:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: ipars.1992Apr9.001003.13468
Organization: People-Net [pnet05], Carlsbad CA

percus@scws6.harvard.edu (Allon Percus) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.121003.8728@ipars.cts.com> lyled@pnet05.cts.com (Lyle Davis) writes:
>>        We were, of course, aware of the economic malaise that has swept
>>America but there was a tendency to think that Scandinavia in general and
>>Norway in particular was just cruising along with the economy and all in a
>>healthy state...
>
>I don't know who is "we" but if it refers to Americans in general
>then let me distance myself from "we."
>
>[Perhaps "we" means Californians? :-) ]
        Ah, touche', Alan.  

        Actually, I have a habit ingrained from 25 years of broadcasting where
I tend to use the term "we" as the editorial "we".  (I tried a couple times to
use "we" as the "royal" we. . .but no one would let me get away with it. . .).

        I should have said. .  ."I, of course, was aware. . .etc."

UUCP: {nosc, ucsd}!crash!ipars!pnet05!lyled
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From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Fighting Racism?
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:00:40 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Apr8.075134.7960@sics.se> lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson) writes:
>In article <10846@chalmers.se>, d9bertil@dtek (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>>  This year however a nasty rumour reached the ears of the Principal. 
>>It said that the students had planned to sing the Swedish national anthem at
>>one point during the graduation cermonies. The Principal immediately 
>>interposed himself and told the pupils that they were forbidden to sing the
>>Swedish national anthem on graduation because of "racist connotations".
>
>The very sad truth is that racist and extreme right organisations are
>monopolising the Swedish national flag and national anthem.

  They are able to do that because they are *allowed* to do it, and reactions
such as the headmasters are the type of reactions that allow them to do it.
Another example was where a demonstration against racism in Stockholm wanted
to take the flag back *wasn't allowed* to use it. 
  [By who? I'm not certain about that, but I suspect that you need permission
to use a flag in any other way than hanging it in a flagpole.]

>Lars-Henrik Eriksson				Internet: lhe@sics.se

-bertil-
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From: fslsh@ocs01.lerc.nasa.gov (Lennart S Hultgren)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Prime minister says Sweden gaining democratic freedom
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:10:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: eagle.1992Apr14.171004.10050
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center

In article <1992Apr14.092637.16007@eua.ericsson.se> euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik.Ostman) writes:
>Allon Percus writes:
>>Lennart S Hultgren writes:
>>>Fredrik.Ostman writes:
>>>> [Something...]
>>>You seem pretty fed-up with the situation in Sweden.  A simple
>>>solution would just be to emigrate to a country where the tax
>>>situation and philosophy is more to your liking.
>
>I hear this from Swedes quite often. In my opinion, I have a democratic
>right to my country and to my culture. Only cowards run away from
>problems instead of solving them.
>
>>[stuff deleted]
>[stuff deleted]
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I take it then that you consider the majority of americans to be
cowards or descendants of such? :-)

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From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Prime minister says Sweden gaining democratic freedom
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:45:56 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Apr10.205931.21058@athena.mit.edu> raustein@athena.mit.edu (Yngve Koehler Raustein) writes:
>It would be interesting to see if you could actually put together a coherent
>and constructive criticism of the Swedish welfare state, not just "all we
>need is lower taxes and more `freedom'."  Also, how do you envision a "perfect"
>Sweden?

  I think a lot less people would be dissatisfied with it if it actually
delivered. Right now it seems that it demands more and more and more and more
money (and thus higher taxes) to keep the return at todays levels.

  That is a situation that cannot continue. If nothing else, taxes cannot be
raised above 100% (Eh, wrong, we have had taxes over 100% in Sweden).

>Yngve 

-bertil-
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 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
From: lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: You have to be rich to get the Authorities to listen
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:02:58 GMT
Reply-To: lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson)
Organization: SICS, Kista (Stockholm), Sweden

In article <10922@chalmers.se>, d9bertil@dtek (Bertil Jonell) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.073054.1200@sics.se> lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson) writes:
>>Swedish Telecom can very well transfer from the old exchanges to AXE
>>without changing telephone numbers.
>
>  Let the record show that when AXE was installed in Onsala, south of
>Gothenburg, all households was asked if they wanted to 
>  a) keep their old number and not get AXE
>  b) get AXE and a new number.
>
>  Any alternative c) keep their old number and get AXE wasn't available. 
>When questioned they blamed this on "the computer" which is a euphemism from
>"We don't want to!" when it is used by big corporations and agencies.

I don't doubt what you're saying, but you can't use this example to
draw the conclusion that Swedish Telecom can not or have not replaced
electromechanical exchanges by AXE without changing numbers. In fact,
such a conclusion would be false, as there *are* lots of areas that
have gotten AXE without getting new numbers.

Your example is actually an example of good service on the part of
Swedish Telecom (even an official service). Since all of Sweden won't
get AXE for many years to come, subscribers in some areas are offered
a connection to a nearby exchange (*not their own*) which has AXE.
Since the telephone number contains routing information, you would
have to get a new number in this case. In my humble opinion this is
laudable and very good customer service.

Actually, from your example it should be clear that the old exchange
*wasn't* actually replaced by an AXE. Since you could keep your old
number without getting AXE, the old station must still be there!

>>I am certain that Swedish Telecom would be very happy to learn from
>>you how to maintain availability of free phone numbers for new
>>subscribtions without having to occasionally change the numbering
>>plan. You can call them on phone number 90 200.
>
>  They can do as they are doing here in Gothenburg right now: Add a digit in
>front of the number: All 7X XX XX numbers become 7 7X XX XX.

Adding a digit or replacing the first digit is what they usually do.
It is very unusual that the entire phone number is changed.

>  .. I have snide remarks about a number of Swedish private corporations,
>a number of international companies and agencies, some American presidential
>candidates, some American netters, some Canadian netters, and last but not
>least some Swedish netters.
>  Want to hear all them too?

Please, no!
-- 
Lars-Henrik Eriksson				Internet: lhe@sics.se
Swedish Institute of Computer Science		Phone (intn'l): +46 8 752 15 09
Box 1263					Telefon (nat'l): 08 - 752 15 09
S-164 28  KISTA, SWEDEN
From: asgeir@cs.umd.edu (Asgeir Karl Olafsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Handball
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:23:26 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

In article <1992Apr10.174151.6484@watserv1.waterloo.edu> rlerdorf@zeus.UWaterloo.ca writes:

>By the way, seeing that Norway won the B-World Cup in Handball, who won the A?   
Sweden won it the last time it was held.

>I used to play a lot of Handball in Denmark (HK-73 i Frederrikssund) and  
>remember Denmark as an extremely strong Handball nation.  Are they considered  
>an A team along with Sweden?  The sport is almost completely non-existent on  
>this side of the pond.

Denmark didn't make it this time.  They're still a B team.

Asgeir.
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: You have to be rich to get the Authorities to listen.
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:54:05 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <FISCHER.92Apr7210217@thor.iesd.auc.dk> fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer) writes:
>I can understand how you might be mad at having to *pay* the tax
>authorities for calling about one of their many stupid errors, but I
>don't see why you blame the telecom company.

  I blame the telecom company for trying to sell this idea to various local and
national authorities and departments using the arguments that it will bring in
extra income to them (and the telecom) and that they can save money because 
not as many people will call if it cost them, so they can cut down on their
service staff.

>Not good. One the other hand, if the public authorities (as well as
>anybody else) are using the 900-number service to provide *new*
>pay-to-use services, I would see this as a Good Thing.

  I don't see that happening. What I'm seeing is that they will put price tags
on old services as soon as it becomes technolgically feasible to do so.

>Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of

-bertil-
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 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: ljg@quartzite.cs.odu.edu (Ah Lo)
Subject: try
Originator: guo@quartzite.ocean.odu.edu
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:29:26 GMT

Sorry, just a try.
From: isac@rieska.oulu.fi (Juha Iisakka)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Dagens Nyheter April 6th on Swedish-speaking Finns
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:32:12 GMT
	<ISAC.92Apr8092539@rieska.oulu.fi> <1992Apr8.085001.22625@lth.se>
Organization: Oulun yliopisto
In-reply-to: sundinKC@dna.lth.se's message of Wed, 8 Apr 1992 08:50:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.085001.22625@lth.se> sundinKC@dna.lth.se (Anders Sundin) writes:
> Juha Iisakka writes:
> >I believe most Finns think S|dergran was a Swede.
> >You should realize Finnish-Finnish and Finnish-Swedish
> >have their own culture.
> >
> >Edith S|dergran was a good poet who used Swedish language.
> >Her influence to SWEDISH litterature is big.
> >Should I be proud of her because she happened to be
> >a Finnish citizen?
> 
> I think this argument really underlines the point that was made
> in the article. The Swedish-speaking in Finland are supposed to
> "have their own culture" that the rest of Finland does not want
> to know about.

In litterature there is more common between Swedish and
Finnish-Swedish than between Finnish-Finnish and 
Finnish-Swedish!

She used Swedish language. Astrid Lindgren uses Swedish too.
Must I adore S|dergran more than Lindgren only because
Edith was Finnish CITIZEN and Astrid is a Swede?
I have read Edith's poems and they are very universal,
not Finnish or Swedish.


--
Juha Iisakka					isac@rieska.oulu.fi
My opinions are mine - not my employer's
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From: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: You have to be rich to get the Authorities to listen.
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:09:56 GMT
Reply-To: tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm

In article <1992Apr7.211500.12333@kth.se>, matsd@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (matsd@physchem.kth.se (mats dahlgren)) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.132957.6458@kth.se>, tomas_e@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Tomas Eriksson) writes:
>
>>In Sweden it's "area code" 020. You pay one call period, approx. SEK 
>>0.30 (5 cent), for the call.
>>
>>Tomas
>
>If your telephone is connected to an AXE-switch station (the modern kind)
>you pay nothing when calling "area code" 020.

Perhaps you have AXE in T{by, but where I live (Nacka) we have to bear with
the old electromechanical switch station another two years or so.

Tomas
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Tomas Eriksson                                          tomas_e@physchem.kth.se
            Surface Force Group, Department of Physical Chemistry,
               Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Handball
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:19:04 GMT
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Helgi" == Helgi.Hjalmarsson  (Hjalmarsson@cs.cmu.edu)

Helgi> The poor Danes did not make it, they were so unfortunate to be in a
Helgi> group with Iceland and Norway!

Ahem, no. The Danes messed up an lost their game against Israel,
taking the victory for granted and forgetting to play. The Danes
played well against Iceland and Norway, but it was too little too
late, and in vain. Typical. Sigh.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
From: abraham@iesd.auc.dk (Per Abrahamsen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Prime minister says Sweden gaining democratic freedom
Date: 3 Apr 92 04:06:44 GMT
	<1992Apr2.143629.12819@lth.se> <1992Apr2.180320.23476@eua.ericsson.se>
Organization: HUGIN Expert A/S


>>>>> On 2 Apr 92 18:03:20 GMT, euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik.Ostman) said:

>Sweden has a slightly more developed welfare state than (or on level with)
>Germany, Holland, Denmark, Norway, Finland etc.

FO> And a significantly more developed taxation system... :-(

If Bildt is anything like the Danish conservatives, he will cut down
the welfare system *and* raise the taxes, while financing it all with
new government loans.

I don't know how they do it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.europe,eunet.politics
From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Subject: Re: Dutch and Finnish Pastilles
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 12:32:14 GMT

raindrop@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nathaniel Michael Pearson) writes:
> Carol Zarbock (czarbock@unlinfo.unl.edu) wanted the names of some pretty vile
> Scandinavian liquorice pastilles.  In Finland, at least, there's Leijona 
> pastilleja, cousin of Suomi minttupastilleja, I think, which tastes a bit 
> like salty tar and smells like a bandaid.  Pretty yucky.

:-)

I think Carol was looking for "salmiakki" or "zalmiak".  The best stuff (even
in Finland) is imported from Holland.  The saltier the better...

> Not all my Finnish dining experiences were so..."interesting."  I did try
> lots of really neat new things, like lakka (cloud berries), poron karistys 
> (good old Rudolph), hyvaa jaateloa (great ice cream), Fazer suklaa
> (chocolate), tonnikala (tuna fish) pizza (this one was interesting), etc.

Here's something for you North American residents to look out for:

	Fazer is now exporting its fabulous Mignon easter eggs!  (I guess
	my parents won't have to airmail them this year.)  I picked some
	up at Shoppers Drug Mart (this is in Canada; don't know where you'd
	find them in the US).

	The product name is "Wonder Egg" (sigh).  Unlike Finland, where it's
	just wrapped in some blue-and-white paper, here it's in a plastic
	and cardboard box.  For those not in the know, the Mignons are real
	eggshells filled with Fazer's incredibly good nougat chocolate (milk
	chocolate with very finely ground hazelnuts).  Mmmmmm --- good!

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ tomh@wes.on.ca                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
[ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Prime minister says Sweden gaining democratic freedom
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:15:44 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology

In article <1992Apr8.080908.12987@eua.ericsson.se> euafri@eua.ericsson.se (Fredrik.Ostman) writes:
>Bertil Jonell writes:
>>Thomas Donaghey writes:
>
>>>education, which in Sweden comes free,
>>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>the actual education (lectures) are free,
>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>You know what old Milton and others always say, There Is No Such Thing
>As A Free Education.

  Interpret my comment as: You don't have to send a cheque directly to the
University Administration to be allowed to attend the lectures.

-bertil-
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 strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an
 exercise for your kill-file."
From: sundinKC@dna.lth.se (Anders Sundin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
Subject: Re: Swedish Prime minister says Sweden gaining democratic  freedom
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:46:34 GMT
Organization: Organic Chemistry 2, Lund University, Sweden

Andrew Baker writes:
> If something is worth $4000 to me, and it costs $10000 to produce, then
> I won't buy it. [   ] It is called economic inefficiency.
and
> Roads are part of the nation's infrastructure, and thus a reasonable
> function of government.

Where did the economic inefficiency go in this case? Maybe social
services too can be regarded as part of a nation's infrastructure?
-- 
 Anders Sundin           e-mail: sundinKC@dna.lth.se
 Organic Chemistry 2             Anders.Sundin@orgk2.lth.se
 University of Lund              ok2aps@seldc52.bitnet
 P.O. Box 124            phone:  +46 46 108214
 S-22100 Lund, Sweden    fax:    +46 46 108209
Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic
From: vestli@pinta.ifr.ethz.ch (Sjur Jonas Vestli)
Subject: Re: Looking for Freia (yum,yum)
Reply-To: vestli@ifr.ethz.ch (Sjur Jonas Vestli)
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology - Inst. of Robotics
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:46:47 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.105415.25686@ugle.unit.no>, nareid@imf.unit.no
(Helge Nareid) writes:
|> 
|> Try their "Stratos" milk chocolate, or "Laban" seigmenn (seigmann is
|> untranslatable (someone is sure to attempt it, anyway ... :-))
|> 
|> - Helge


Jelly Babies
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