From: sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
Keywords: another pro-forcer with no support for his claims
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:35:05 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <C01Lux.16A@ra.nrl.navy.mil> psl@nrl.navy.mil (Paul Lebow) writes:
#In article <1216@blue.cis.pitt.edu> sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
## In article <1992Dec29.175100.20873@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> 
##decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
## #In article <C015K3.Ip4@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, psl@nrl.navy.mil (Paul Lebow) 
##writes:
## ## Guess what Muriel? There were fewer abortion related deaths back then 
## ##than 
## ## now -
## #
## #Have you any support for this assertion? ...
## 
## He can't support the assertion.  It isn't true.

And, indeed, he provides no support for his assertion.  As I said,
it isn't true, so he can't support it.  I wonder why he thinks
that anyone should believe him.
 
## If he read books on abortion that were written ...

(Obviously Lebow doesn't want to know about what really happened in
the U.S.)
 
## If he read books on abortion in Great Britain, he would see

(Obviously Lebow doesn't want to know what really happened in
Great Britain.)
 
## If he read books about abortion-related deaths today

(Obviously Lebow doesn't want to know what's really happening
now.)

## Jack Willke argues that no woman ever used a coat hanger to
## abort. 
#
#I have no reason to believe what Jack Willke says.

I have no reason to believe what Paul Lebow says, either.

## Some people believe his argument.  The people who
## do are usually men who can't imagine anyone desperate enough
## to put something like a coat hanger inside her. 
#
#Susan - I have to say that this is pure bullshit.  It makes you feel good convince yourself that most pro-lifer's are men.  Guess again, misanthropist.

Was this meant to be responsive to what I said, or were you
changing the subject?

I said nothing about the gender composition of either side of the
abortion debate.  I said that people who found the concept of
coat hanger abortions hard to believe were generally male.  
Maybe you could get someone to explain the difference between
what I said and the argument that you ascribed to me to you.

## I've
## known women who did just that.  People have stated publicly
## that they did just that.  Willke claims it's all a conspiracy,
## and that all these women are lying.  I wonder how he'd react
## to the story that my best friend's grandmother, who believes
## abortion is murder and watched her friend die from a self-
## induced coat hanger abortion, tells.  Why would she lie?
#
#I'm sure she isn't.
#Are you responding to Mr. Willke (obviously your pet punching bag) or me?

I was responding to a witless person named Lebow who was ranting
about the low number of deaths before Roe.

As far as I know, Jack Willke has never posted to t.a.  
#
# 
## I think the attempt by the right-to-lie people ...simply don't care if their
## brood sow lives or dies.
#
#Well, there is some hope for you.  At least you feel compelled to dehumanize people before insulting them.

I doubt that there's hope for you.  You claim to have read t.a. for
a year, yet you're rehashing old arguments that have been played
out many times in that time period.  The only clue that you seem
to have picked up is how to edit other people's words so that you
can misrepresent what they said.

Do you care if women die, Lebow?

Susan
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