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From: mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Too high? [Re: More on max heart rate]
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:48:34 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.

In article <1k1c8bINNm0l@OPAL.SYSTEMSX.CS.YALE.EDU> A. Satish Pai <Pai-Satish@CS.Yale.Edu> writes:
>Am I doing something wrong? As another poster mentioned here, I don't feel I'm
>working out if I go any easier. By the way, my resting pulse rate is about 60.
>Is the formula supposed to be applicable to all/most people? 

Covert Bailey claims that 15% of people have hearts that beat slower than
average and another 15% that beat faster.  He tacks on another 10% who are
on some type of medication and comes up with the figure that 40% may not
find the standard heart rate formula valid.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
From: jalal@lecap.wpd.sgi.com (Jalal Rajabali)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Rowing machine for sale!!!
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:08:33 GMT
Reply-To: jalal@lecap.wpd.sgi.com (Jalal Rajabali)
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA


CSA 770 Air Rowing machine for sale.  Bought brand new for #399.99 from
TriCity, Fremont
almost three months ago.  Execellent condition.  It is located in Menlo
Park, CA.
Asking $200.00

If interested, please call Jalal at:

	(415) 324-3066 (Home)
	(415) 390-2155 (Work)
	e-mail: jalal@lecap.wpd.sgi.com

Thanks,
Jalal
From: rob@hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Hidden Fat In Packaged Foods
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:40:31 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University


What truly floored me when I found out was that those 30 cent packages of
Ramen Noodles contains 20-25 grams of fat.  I then tried a healthy version
that had 5 grams and it was like eating shoe laces.
From: laurie@bnr.co.uk (Laurie Constantin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Anthony Clark: Latest Feats
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:10:31 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bnsgs197.bnr.co.uk

In article <AfNNR0s000009dKl1d@andrew.cmu.edu> Phil Andrews <pa0q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>... there are excellent lifters in the drug tested world, also. Last October
>I saw Vic Kennedy make an excellent squat of 944 lbs in an ADFPA meet at
>superheavy. 
>

	This drug-free lift impresses me a million times more than a drug
	induced lift does, whatever the weight.

	All you drug-free lifters and bodybuilders out there know from
	experience how scientific you have to be to avoid overtraining and
	recover from the shortest of workouts. 

	When you see the training techniques of the top stars they are not
	even worth the paper they are printed on. I would place more value
	on the steam off my piss.

	Sorry to get all heated up about this, but I thank God the World
	Drug Free Powerlifting Federation is the fastest growing Powerlifting
	Organisation in the world.
	
	Laurie (member of the British Powerlifting Association, dedicated to
	drug-free lifting).


-- 
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| BNR Europe Ltd, UK   | if you only try.    - MJJ                             |
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Causes of Shin Splints? A theory
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:02:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: unocal.1993Jan26.160253.1843
Organization: Unocal Corporation

I do sometimes notice soreness when touching my shins
after a hard run or weight lifting.  I've never had
shin problems, but I wonder if tenderness could be a
diagnostic for people who do.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian Ross)
Subject: Re: Raw Eggs, Cooked Eggs, etc.
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:23:57 GMT

paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker) writes:
: In <1993Jan21.213039.27040@sol.UVic.CA> dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke) writes:
: 
: >>>
: >>So anybody know how serious Salmonellosis is?  I mean, can you die
: >>from it?  Are there long term effects?
: >>
: 
: >I recall a study out within the last year that showed about 20% ??? of people
: >contracting it would develope arthritus of the lower back. Usually lasting
: >several months, but it can be permanent. Something one should not take
: >a chance with.
: 
: 
:  I recall reading that the Salmonella bacterium is more present on the outside
: shell of the egg than on the inside!?
: 
:  I don't remember the source though. This may or may not be true. Has anyone
: else seen this info?

I'd believe it, as chickens are generally salmonella breeding
grounds. You'll never see chicken sushi.
The use of raw eggs in foods like meringue, icings, and puddings is
why people usually get food poisoning from them.


-- 
Brian Ross                          
bross@sandcastle.cosc.brocku.ca            
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cecchinr@hornsby.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: Aminos & MCTs
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 16:39:10 GMT

In article <C17n8o.LtM@jabba.ess.harris.com> mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney) writes:
>MCT, Medium Chain Triglycerides.  Isn't that just fat?  What is their
>nutritional value (if any)?  What foods contain them?
>
>--------------------------------        _\/_
>Matt Mahoney, mvm@epg.harris.com       |(TV)|  Drug of the Nation
>#include <disclaimer.h>                |____|
>
>

MCTs are an "unconventional" fat derived from, I think, coconuts.
They are put under a structural alteration (some carbon atoms are removed) that 
makes it nearly impossible (not totally impossible) for the body to
store them as fat.

They are an excellent supplement (though I haven't been able to afford them yet)
essentially because they *are* so calorie dense, and you basically can't get
fat from them.  And when you are trying to gain mass, calories (again, the
right kind of calories) are critical.  When you restrict your calorie
intake, you run the risk of hampering any muscular gains.

Ron

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: Hidden Fat In Packaged Foods
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:16:00 GMT

In article <009671A6.03CBDC00@OCTAVO> mdcolby@OCTAVO writes:
>Some natural/health foods are really quite lax at posting nutritional
>information.  Are we supposed to take the manufacturers' word that their
>products are "healthy"?  One major offender is Fantastic Foods, Inc.
>of Petaluma, Calif.  Their products taste great, but what am I eating
>as far as fats, sodium, protein, etc. are concerned?
>
>Michael
>mdcolby@octavo.ucdavis.edu

Their "Veggie Pockets" are what I originally started this thread about.
  We sell them in our store so I got our salseman to browbeat the company
for nutritional info.  Each pocket has about 13g of fat in them.

Steve R
:x

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson)
Subject: Re: Hidden Fat In Packaged Foods
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:08:11 GMT

I think that fat is so calorie dense, you may well find that by weight, it is
a small contributor to the product, but a large contributor to calorie
count.

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: artemis@netcom.com (Michelle Dick)
Subject: Re: Hidden Fat In Packaged Foods
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:15:30 GMT

In article <20135@mindlink.bc.ca> Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson) writes:
>Read that list of ingredients!
>I do a slow burn at "sugar free" products that list fructose or honey or corn
>syrup as ingredients, 

I agree with you here.

>at "fat free" products that are filled with nuts,

Well, this would be illegal.  A manufacturer can't call a product
"fat-free" unless it has less than 0.5 gr fat/serving (I believe
that's the regulation).  Products full of nuts don't meet this
criterion.  If you've seen such a product (which I doubt) then the
manufacturer should be reported.  Now, I have seen stores (health-food
stores are particularly guilty of this) claiming "oil-free" when the
products contain nuts/olives/avocados/etc.

> and
>at "cholesterol free" products that are filled with fats (my favourite
>example is corn oil).

Well, at least this one is technically true.  I'm waiting for signs on
fruits and vegetables shouting "cholesterol free!"  heh heh.  My
response to these claims: no kidding.  It's only a misleading claim
because folks don't understand the difference between fats and
cholesterol or know that both can contribute to high blood cholesterol.
Preying on the stupidity of the public is a time-honored advertising
tradition.

--
Michelle Dick
artemis@netcom.com
From: gilsonm@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Date: 15 Jan 93 16:56:08 EST

[various suggestions on how not to cheat deleted]

Another wat to enhance your stairmaster experience:  At the club
I go to some of the machines face mirrored walls.  I always use
these machines and concentrate on keeping the top of my head 
still (relative to some fixed object in the mirror).  This forces
me to push down with each leg as opposed to shifting weight
from one leg to the other.  It only takes about 10 minutes to
get a huge burn in my quads; at the end of 30 minutes, my legs 
have melted down.
From: desilets@sj.ate.slb.com (Mark Desilets)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Vanadyl Sulfate (PROBLEM?)
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:22:36 GMT
Reply-To: desilets@sj.ate.slb.com (Mark Desilets)
Organization: Schlumberger ATE, San Jose

In article <1993Jan26.032218.15776@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> blake@osc.edu (Blake Cook) writes:
>
>
>I recently started having a problem that may or may not be attributed
>to Vanadyl Sulfate.  I recently started occassionally breaking out in
>what looks and feels like a bad sunburn, mainly over my face,arms,chest,
>& back, but also in places all over my body.  This is only occuring after
>a good run or during my workouts.  The symptoms last from between 1-2
>hours after my workout.  
>
 [... historical reflection elided ]

> If it is the VS, I'm
>wondering if it may be one of the "other" ingredients the maker, Bricker
>Labs, chose to put in it.  These "other" ingredients include 20mg Niacin
>& 200 mcg Chromium Picolinate (Nutri 21).  Maybe even the combination
>of the 3 ingredients could somehow cause this, I just don't know.  I've
>taken the Chromium Picolinate before so doubt if this could be the 
>culprit.  

Blake, 

 
  I assume you are aware that Niacin can cause flushing.  Given that
  VS is a vasodilator, I would not be surprised to see the combined 
  effect cause flushing in some individuals.  At least with Niacin, this
  is not harmful, although it may be uncomfortable.  You may want to
  try taking Niacin alone to see if that causes the symptoms.  Most
  health food stores sell a Niacin supplement fairly inexpensively.
  I would not expect 20mg of Niacin to cause a problem by itself, however.



								Mark
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Hand Weights When Stepping?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 16:14:07 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland
NNTP-Posting-Host: athens.eng.umd.edu

In article <13050027@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> vicki@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Vicki Moore) writes:
>
>when doing step aeorobics.  Most of the stuff I've read (I can get 
>you references, if you'd like) points to the fact that *most* people
>tend to start flailing their arms as they get tired, and weights 
>put more stress on the upper body ligaments and tendons when the
>upper body movements are erratic or uncontrolled.  

True. Use of hand weights, or even ankle weights, when a person does
jogging or step aerobics increases your risk of tendonitous.

The best way to enhance intensity of step aerobics is to increase
either your cadence or the height of the step. The problem with
increasing step height, however, is that doing so requires more
leg strength. If your legs are weak, they may tire before your 
heart has had a good workout.

Weights should only be used in strength training, and should not
be integrated into an exercise aimed at aerobics. Wearing weights
while running won't make you a better runner, and wearing weights
while doing step aerobics won't make you better at step aerobics.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,rec.food.veg
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Hidden Fat In Packaged Foods
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:13:38 GMT

I have a story that should amuse the fat/calorie counters among the group.

As part of my efforts to avoid turning into a blob as I get older I
limit my fat intake to 20-30g per day in addition to exercising.

I work at a health food store on campus most of the day where I take
at least lunch and sometimes breakfast.

We got a product called "Veggie Pockets" in.  Basically a piece of
bread with various stuffings baked into it.  They didnt have any
nutrition info on the label ( good reason for it ), but getting
sick of what I could quickly make I would frequently eat 2-3
per day last semester.  I was very frustrated with my slow weight loss.

Well, our distributor mailed me a copy of the nutrition information
he extorted from the manufacturer.  It turns out that each of these
"Veggie Pockets" had at least 13g of fat in it!  There I was eating
two ( very unfilling ) for lunch 2-3 times a week while trying to
keep my fat intake down to 30g!


Beware of unlabled packaged food.  Dont ever assume it is lowfat no
matter what the ingredients say.

Steve R
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: amazing deadlift
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:51:41 GMT
Keywords: li'l pudgy

I have had occasion to train with a variety of poeple in my time, but this
one in particular, still amazes me to this day. For the life of me right
now, I cannot think of her name.... only that she was a girlfriend of my
SO of the time. She stood about 5'2" (probably more like 5'0"), and she
weighed about 130 lbs. She did not really look fat, nor especially muscular.
If anything, she looked just-a-little pudgy, and younger than her 22 years.
I became acquainted with her through my SO, and she found out that I was into
weight training. She expressed an interest in training with me, and we did so
for a few sessions, until my SO became more-than-a-little vocal with her
objections (y'see, she was a jealous type). Anyway, we spent the better part
of this time just trying to determine how strong she was. We did this by way
of deadlift poundages. After about three weeks of "ramping up", this little
baby-doll-lookin' young woman was pulling 300 lbs. in the deadlift. I still
do not know just how strong she was, as 300 lbs. was all of the iron that I
had at that time. Bear in mind that we are talking about a young woman who
was basically untrained (as far as weight-training) at this point. I can
hardly imagine what she might be able to do with a coupla' years worth of
hard training under her belt.

Keith R
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Bench press question
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:47:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.181001.24038@rchland.ibm.com> alter@rchland.vnet.ibm.com writes:
>When you bench press very heavy weights, i.e. near your maximum lift weight,
>there is a "stick point" which impeeds the motion of the bar.  Once this
>point is overcome, the bench press action becomes easier.  On myself,
>this stick-point is a couple of inches above my chest.  On a friend, it is
>directly at the point of contact of the bar to her chest.
>
>Are there any exercises that may help to reduce the stick-point effect?  My
>friend was told that doing all sorts of shoulder exercises would help.  I
>don't believe this because if you examine the layout of the arm bones and
>the shoulder, the only muscles are the ones in your chest (mainly pecs) that
>have any affect on the upward motion of the arm.  The shoulders have no
>mechanical advantage.

This is simply not true! Try this experiment:

	Lay back on your bench with an empty bar, as if you were
	about to do a bench press. Take your usual grip, and lower
	the bar to your body, as per usual. 

	If the bar lands near the lower edge of your pecs, rather than
	near your collarbone, you can rest assured that your anterior
	delts are heavily involved. They might not have the best
	mechanical advantage, but they're in there!

I believe that it is actually the delts that move the bar those first
coupla' inches offa' the chest, after that, once your upper arms "line-up"
parallel to the bar, that is when the load shifts to the pecs and triceps.

Anyway, back to your original question....
There are two ways that I have found to be effective in getting past the
"sticking point". Both of these techniques involve isometrics.

	1) When Chuck Sipes was training to make a 500 lb. bench press,
	   he trained on a "power rack". He would set the pins to limit
	   his range of motion to that range that included his "sticking
	   point" and little else. He would press and _hold_ for a few
	   seconds, as much weight as he could handle, against the top
	   pair of pins.

	2) A similar technique, that I have used personally, is to have
	   a particulary sadistic spotter/training-partner _prevent_
	   you from pressing the bar beyond your "sticking point" for
	   several seconds, and then release, so that you can finish
	   the lift. (I say "particularly sadistic", as my training
	   partner was not content to simply _stop_ the bar, but felt
	   the need to apply some "down pressure" as well :-))
	   This technique will _definately_ shift your "sticking point".

Keith R
>
>Any ideas?
>
>-- 
>
>Eric Alter		alter@rchland.vnet.ibm.com
From: zornow@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Claudia Zornow)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Recommend aerobics workout tape?
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:15:37 GMT
Organization: HP SSD R & D

A kind soul posted this to alt.support.diet recently:

    I just happen to have my Shape here (I was going to photocopy that very 
    article for a friend) so I'll take the liberty of posting some titles. 
    
    Muscle Conditioning: Cher Fitness: A new Attitude: A-
                         Karen Voight's Firm Arms and Abs: A-
                         Karen Voight's Lean Legs and Buns: A
                         Kathy Smith's Instant Workout: B+
                         Jodi Cohen's Abs Busters: B+
                         Weight Watchers Series: A-
                         Tony Little's Target Training: Hips...: B
                         Troy DeMond's TNT Workout: B+
                         Cindy Crawford/ Shape Your Body...: F+
    
    Step Aerobics: Candice Copeland's Step Ahead: A-
                   Indiana Pacemates: Nouveau Bench Aerobics: A-
                   Introduction to Step Training: A-
                   Jane Fonda's Step Aerobic...: A-
                   Kathy Smith's Step Workout: A
                   Len Kravitz's All-New Anybody's Step Workout: A-
                   Power Stepping II with Lynne Brick: A-
                   Rock the Step: A-
    
    Aerobics: No "A" rated!
              Cindy Gilbert's Moves Fitness Workout: B
              Praise! Aerobics: B+
              Redbook Workout Series: Super Slim Down: B
              Stay Fit with Charles and Donna: B+
              Street Jam with Barry Joyce: B
              Sweatin' to the Oldies 4 with Richard Simmons: B
              Victoria's Technifunk II: The Dance Attack: B
    
    Stretch/Relaxation: Yoga Journal's Yoga Practice Series: Flexibility...: A
                        Tri-Yoga Level I: B-
                        Yogarobics with Larry Lane: B+
    
    This is only a sampling. Please e-mail if you want specific info on these or
    others. I'll keep the magazine at work for awhile. I personally prefer Cher'
    s step aerobics (listed under muscle conditioning) because the routines are 
    fun, although the warmup is too long and the cool-down too short. I also 
    have jane Fonda's and kathy Smith's, which are also good. I hear that Kari 
    Anderson's Benchworks is also good, but have never tried it myself.
    
    Lee Ann Wentzell                          "...foodless toads in 
    Biology Department                        voluptuous chambers panting
    Acadia University                         crawled..."
    Wolfville, NS, CAN              P. B. Shelley - Prometheus Unbound

Claudia
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: The fittest people on the planet.
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 21:10:30 GMT

In article <q3r3nb-@rpi.edu>, cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini) writes:
|> 
|> And you know, I'd still be willing to put some of the pros up against
|> your "fit" athletes.  When the pros are not in competition mode, they're
|> still doing lots of aerobics - 3, 4, 5 times a week is not unheard of.
|> I can't believe that they have such poor aerobic capabilities...

I'll take your money.  I'm a triathlete, and I know a few (non-elite)
triathletes who do 3 or 4 aerobic workouts A DAY (swim in the morning, run
at lunch, bike/run in the evening).  I'm more than willing to bet that
there isn't a single (top) pro bodybuilder that can demonstrate aerobic
capability comparable to a "local" top triathlete, not to mention a
national caliber triathlete.  The ability to do (say, in the pool) 10
intervals at 90% of maximum heart rate for 2 minutes, with about 20
seconds rest each time, is probably beyond the capacity of bodybuilders.
I can do an hour swim (non-stop), where my heart rate stays around 80% of
my (observed) maximum.

I have a lot of respect for bodybuilders; I know what kind of dedication
it must take to achieve the results they strive for.  I know that they
train for something very different than aerobic capacity.  Please don't
try to put them in a category where they really don't stack up.

Ken Lehner
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith)
Subject: Re: Cindy Crawford Video Controversy
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:52:08 GMT

In article <19957@mindlink.bc.ca> Janet_Wilson@mindlink.bc.ca (Janet Wilson) writes:
>Cindy Crawford stated in an interview for Shape Magazine that she is so much
>larger than the other models that she feels "like a moose" when she walks
>down the runway. She is hailed for breaking the size barrier in fashion
>modelling...and the woman is 5'10" and 120 lbs.....Scary, huh?
>//

It sounds to me like somebody who could stand some serious "iron time".
I mean, it sounds like she is:

	a) starving herself
	b) avoiding any sort of strenuous (ie., muscle-building) exercise
	c) both

Keith R
From: 2fvofloppy@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: More on max heart rate
Date: 25 Jan 93 00:14:38 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

I've also seen both formulas as acceptable.  I think that if you do some 
calculations (based on a resting heart rate), that it's pretty similar.  
But, then if you aren't in great health, the heart rate formula is supposed 
to be better (it allows for a higher heart rate resting and a lower max 
heart rate if I'm not mistaken).  Anyway, I've always seen the target range 
from 65-80%.  I believe that 90% is too high, and that you would eventually 
overtrain if you constantly worked out at 90% max heart rate.
-- 
Jeffery D. Webb
2fvofloppy@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU

"Charlie Don't Surf!"
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