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From: zlraa@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Nicarra)
Subject: Re: An introduction
Reply-To: lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 19:56:28 GMT

In <1992Nov8.031548.6030@midway.uchicago.edu> eeb1@quads.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley) writes:

>Hi, all.

>My name is Beth (well, Edith Elizabeth, but I've always gone by 
>Beth) Bartley.  I've been an occasional lurker on alt.callahans, 
>mostly on the political arguments that crop up, for a while.  I 
>think I've probably posted a couple of articles, but not a 

"I don't think so.  I would have noticed your name."

>much lately.  I used to participate heavily in talk.abortion (see 
>the .sig; I plan to change it since I expect Clinton to make it a 
>moot point), but I've gotten thoroughly sick of the continual 
>flamewar and the way the same arguments go around and around and 
>around in circles.  I've posted a little bit on scattered other 
>newsgroups, but I haven't posted anywhere besides t.a. for any 
>length of time.

"Well, you won't recognise me by the .sig, or by the From: line, but we
share an ex-boytoy in talk.abortion,"  Nicarra grins, and the Light of
Reality shines on her for a moment.  Lynn Alford, sometime partipant of
t.a appears.

"Yep, I know that the arguments in talk.abortion go around in circles.
And the flames can build up amazingly.  Probably why I use this group to
counter balance my outlook on the net.  But I started computer netting
on a group where flaming, discussions, and everything else went.  To get
the equvalent on usenet, I read the science fiction, callahans,
talk.bizarre, *flame, and talk.abortion to get a proper mix.  Possibly
one of the oddest collection of newsgroups to read that exists, but it
works for me."
i

>Miscellanea: I'm a bookworm, reading mostly science fiction /
>fantasy but also a lot of mysteries.  I tend to be bouncy and
>energetic and this is enhanced by all the caffeine I drink (in

"Bookworms *thrive* in this group.  I read similiar things, though
mysteries tend to come and go in groups."

>Herewith will follow vast quantities of politics....  And my 
>apologies in advance if I go into a subject that's just been done 
>to death; when I said "occasional lurker", I did mean occasional.

>-- 
>Pro-Choice                 Anti-Roe                     - E. Elizabeth Bartley
>            Abortions should be safe, legal, early, and rare.

  _____           The Darwin Fish
\/    o\
/\_____/
  bb bb
>Cthulhu for President -- when you're tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils.
-- 
Ross A. Alford
Department of Zoology                      Internet: zlraa@marlin.jcu.edu.au
James Cook University                      Phone:    +61 77 81 4732
Townsville, Qld 4811 Australia
From: c188-cr@po.berkeley.edu (Chua Hak Lien)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Four Word Stories
Date: 14 Nov 1992 03:41:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: po.berkeley.edu

In article <Bxoqqq.EuH@sti.com> alaric@sti.com (The Renaissance Man) writes:
>] Even though she is here with me, she still haunts my sleep.
>] Her body is temptation made flesh, my Sandman's gift.
>] I know she wants me alone. 
>] I clasp her cold hand to my face, and ask her to stay. 
>] I know she will. She has nowhere else to go.
>
>Alaric waits, until it becomes clear that no more is forthcoming.
>
>"Ah, excuse me," he asks at last, "but...  where *are* those four words?  I
> don't see even one of them used here."
"Ahh, but that is the point, friend Alaric. In the rules laid down by
Alfvaen, he said that one can include the words in the story, or use it
thematically."

[Alaric's story deleted.. ]
"And a fine effort it is too!", C+ applauds.

C
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From: s903040@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Christopher Francis Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Rights for Rocks?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 02:35:49 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:

>(From a flyer I found attached to the door of the building in which I work)

>                          STOP THE CUTTING OF ROCKS
>                        *Just say NO to Lithosection*

[bits about rock bashing deleted for reasons of ... well, you all know why!]

>                               Don't you think
>                         YOU'LL SLEEP BETTER TONIGHT
>                      knowing that you've taken a stand.

>    Join the League for the Liberation of Laboratory Lithologic Specimens

Right...

Like we really need another looney fringe group in this world  ;-)

More Power To Them!


-- 
ThunderKat (a.k.a. Chris Anderson)    s903040@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

"Sam pressed the button. A few lights flashed on the CPU. And another human
life ended. Somehow, it's always sad, no matter what."
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Date: 13 Nov 1992 07:19:02 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov13.004133.12779@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker) writes:
>"Did I offend Stm yet again?  Pardon me for simply exercising freedom of
>speech.  As it is, I didn't know because since my last flaming at his hands,
>I simply do not read his posts."

I see.  When you voice your opinions, it's freedom of speech;  when I voice
mine, it's attempted censorship.  And you reach that conclusion without even
reading what you're implying is censorship.  Your brand of Christianity at
its finest.

>The Nightstalker disappears into the bathroom (toilet really, but most of
>you *are* Americans), and reappears in another on of his flame-proof suits
>and a stupid grin (DM and Shonias know what it looks like in RL, just use
>your imagination).
>
>"I have had constructive comments from some, complements from others.  As
>for flames (accent on) Go Ahead Make My Day (accent off).  To freedom of
>speech."

Yes, to freedom of speech.  May Nightie someday realize that doesn't mean
freedom to utter nonsense without having someone point out that it IS nonsense.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From:  zlraa@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Nicarra)
Subject: Re: More Flashes
Reply-To: lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 01:27:43 GMT

In <1992Nov3.003048.20987@news.columbia.edu> tje3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Tammy Jo Eckhart) writes:
>	Hey, there's a cathedral at the end of our street!  St. John the
>Divine?  "For unto us a child is born ...."  Tom's Restaurant?  "I am sitting
>in the morning at the diner on the corner ...."

>	"Hello, Mike!" says the Lamplighter.  "How've you been?"

>	"Not bad," Mike tells him.  "The place is about the same."

Nicarra looks up with delight.  "Lamplighter, it has been so long!
Welcome back, my friend."

Nicarra offers Lamplighter a hug.
-- 
Ross A. Alford
Department of Zoology                      Internet: zlraa@marlin.jcu.edu.au
James Cook University                      Phone:    +61 77 81 4732
Townsville, Qld 4811 Australia
From: Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk (Adrian Waterworth)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Gasoline Taxes - What they are in Aus!
Date: 10 Nov 92 08:56:07 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals) writes:

>In article <BxArMp.6wA@newcastle.ac.uk>, Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk (Adrian Waterworth) writes:
>>[*] I seem to recall, back when petrol was about 1.80 a gallon, that
>>	the government tax accounted for maybe 1.30 of this. This would
>>	set the direct rate of taxation (at the petrol pumps) at about
>>	72%. Neat, huh?

>Actually, tax rates are usually specified in terms of percentage of the
>before-tax cost, so you're talking about a tax rate of 260%.

	Good point.

	_Really_ neat, huh?

	(I must admit, though, that most of the people I know here in
the UK tend to think of the rate of taxation on petrol in terms of the
final price of the product - otherwise, as you can see from the above,
it gets _far_ too depressing!!)

				Martyr.


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		 |  Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk	|
		/ ---------------------------------------\
From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: God and Science:  The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Date: 10 Nov 1992 16:33:29 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Distribution: world
Reply-To: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <1992Nov10.151600.17704@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey) writes:
>"Don't I recall seeing somewhere that the Church has decided to officially
>change its view of science, by reversing its much earlier decision about
>Galileo, and admit it was wrong to make him recant?  Better late than never;
>of course, Galileo doesn't benefit by it, unless his shade somewhere(Heaven,
>perhaps?)smiles and says, 'They've finally come to their senses.'  But it's a
>step in the right direction.  It shows that Science and the Catholic Church
>aren't officially at odds with each other anymore.  Or, at least, they are
>much less so..."

Actually, according to Stephen Hawking, the Catholic Church has at least
unofficially accepted the Big Bang theory of cosmology, and, from the way he
described it, evolution as well.  From what Hawking said, it's the position of
the  Pope that the Big Bang was the act of creation (which scientists aren't
supposed to try to delve into), but the development of the universe in general
and the earth and man in particular is the proper province of science.  Of
course, Hawking could've been misinterpreting what the Pope said, or I could be
misinterpreting what Hawking said.
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mbr2@quads.uchicago.edu (Curious Of All Natures)
Subject: Frenzied hello to Beth and all
Followup-To: poster
Reply-To: mbr2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Universtiy of Chicago
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:17:50 GMT

Curious Of All Natures arcs into Callahans, a grey streak of abruption,
and resolves into a familiar feline next to Beth Bartley, who's just
descended from a soap-box tower.  She raises her eyebrows, not
recognizing this feline apparition.  He rubs her leg with his nose
anyway.

After several sneezes, COAN *leaps* backwards into a form she may
recognize.

"Hi Beth, it's Matt.  Welcome to the Place!  It's great to see you here.
I miss your spirit back home in Burton-Judson - it's a bit lonelier in
that orange-sky niche of ours, late night wanderers we.  Your cheerful
skipping made a difference in my world."

Various patrons are realizing that COAN is here, and turn to welcome him
back.  COAN thrashes around a bit wildly, leaps on a nearby table, and
announces very rapidly,

"Ack!  Wo, hah!  Hi everyone!  It's overwhelming to lose touch with
people, because inside I hold myself responsible for bringing folks
completely up to date, and so much has been happening and changing with
intensity and chaos that it took an entire weekend to bring my dad up to
speed who was just visiting." 

<pant, pant> 

"I really miss you all and here, and I'm looking forward to the time
when I can relax my grip on the moment-to-moment long enough to come
back for a while.  Things have been good and not good, working and not
working.  I've been lucidly confused most of the time, I'm deeply in
touch with what life is like for me but can't seem to put names to any
of my internal emotional stuff.  Everything's weird.  And I'm still not
making enough mistakes, which makes me want to turn the volume up even
higher.  So after I make some real doozies, and put things back together
afterwards, I'll be stumbling back for a chat."

There is a flash of undirected energy, and COAN is back to BJ, doing
work, arranging group study sessions, trying to figure out who to call
about what, and continuing to run the puzzles in the back of his mind
regarding virtually everyone he knows...


A copy of _Illusions_ remains behind, open to a page that reads:

You don't do anything.  Cosmic law, remember?  Like attracts like.  Just
be who you are, calm and clear and bright.  Automatically, as we shine
who we are, asking ourselves every minute is this what I really want to
do, doing it only when we answer yes, automatically that turns away
those who have nothing to learn from who we are and attracts those who
do, and from whom we have to learn, as well.         -(by Richard Bach)


-Matt Ryan, with spontaneous prioity,
mb-ryan@uchicago.edu                Curious Of All Natures
==================================  ====================================
If I'm dreaming, never let me wake. You'll never see the end of the road
If I'm awake, never let me sleep.   When you're traveling with me.
               -old chinese fellow                        -Crowded House     
==================================  ====================================
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: mss2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Re: God and Science: The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:56:45 GMT

In article <1dtisiINNem4@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>In article <of0PuG_00awO0Qjoxg@andrew.cmu.edu>, Mark Beirne Lively <ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>=	"Science and religion need not even butt heads.  A very scientific
>=proof of the existance of God was given by Saint Thomas Aquinas I
>=believe.  It was based on the principle of cause and effect.  For every
>=effect there is a cause.  Now if you trace all of these causes back to
>=the begining of time you reach a root caust the Motis Prime.  The thing
>=which caused all following things to happen, This is God."
>
>StM says, "Interesting proof.  If that proof is valid, then Aquinas could also
>answer the question, `What is the largest natural number?'"

	"Isn't it closer to analogize it to the question `What is the
_smallest_ natural number?'  Which is, after all, quite answerable.
This does presuppose a beginning of time, rather than a steady-state
universe, but our evidence for that is better, not worse than it was
in Aquinas' day.  The real problem that I see (and, not having read
Aquinas, I don't know to what extent or how successfully he addresses
it) is that the existence of a First Cause does not give any
indication that said First Cause has any of the characteristics
attributed to God _other_ than being the first cause."

Michael


-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Indeed I tremble for my country
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 when I reflect that God is just."
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
mss2@amber.uchicago.edu		    Virginia (1784)
From: zlraa@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Nicarra)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Kate Bush
Date: 8 Nov 92 17:52:33 GMT
Reply-To: lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu
Organization: James Cook University

In <1992Nov06.223406.5668@bmerh85.bnr.ca> yho@bmerh2.bnr.ca (Yue-shun Ho) writes:

>In article <1992Nov5.143738.23425@marlin.jcu.edu.au> lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu writes:
>>
>>Nicarra grins.  "I think I have set this so replies will go to my
>>account and not Ross's.  Just in the odd instance that anyone would like
>>to."

>Is sending you a happy birthday note something odd?  Hmmmmm?

Well no.  I think it might even be nice.  But note that the birthday
list is out-of-date.  That address is definitely wrong.

Egads, another year, shot to hell.  Where does the time go?
Nicarra (who has one early present and is fairly happy at the moment.)
-- 
Ross A. Alford
Department of Zoology                      Internet: zlraa@marlin.jcu.edu.au
James Cook University                      Phone:    +61 77 81 4732
Townsville, Qld 4811 Australia
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Mary Branscombe)
Subject: Re: More elections, a victory...
Reply-To: maryb@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:23:00 +0000


>(It was also rather difficult to find out what _else_ was in the
>platform, since there seem to have been about two copies owned by
>collectors
I know that all the campaign documents were on the Internet 
somewhere, organised by MIT I believe and you could email questions 
and comments in. I don't have the details anymore, I'm afraid. The 
posting in a newswire I get said that all the info was already on the 
net and just needed organising, so it should still be there 
somewhere? 
mary
(FX: wave to Rowan)
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From: yho@bmerh2.bnr.ca (Yue-shun Ho)
Subject: Re: More elections, a victory...
Keywords: discrimination, hatred, intolerance
Reply-To: yho@utcs.utoronto.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 17:41:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.175914.25914@reed.edu> turner@reed.edu (ghost of the man in the moon) writes:
>
>Some patrons look at her curiously while others immediately smile.  "Most
>people in the US have probably heard something about Oregon's measure 9.  It
>was sponsored by a very conservative organization.  It basically said the
>government could not support or encourage homosexuality, pedophilia, sadism
>or masochism (yes, they were grouped like that).  Nor recognize it by giving
>it minority status or affirmative action.  Schools were to teach that it was
>abnormal and perverse.  The government could not support it in any way,
>groups that taught tolerance or anything on it would not be allowed to use
>public buildings...etc."
>
>"Yesterday however, it was voted down.  Not by as high of a margin as we
>would perhaps like, but by enough.  Thank God!!!! (Or your deity of
>choice.)"  She refills her glass again.
>

We heard about it here in Canada too... and yes, I would vote against it
  if I were an Oregonian.  But I am not sure if I am one hundred percent
  against it.    As I understand it, homosexuality/sadism/masochism/etc
  are special in terms of sexual orientation, and are definitely not
  abnormal or perverse.  As far as government support is concerned,
  I could only think of public education against homophobia, etc.  Equal
  opportunities should also be applied for their benefits.  But what
  kind of special government spendings should be used on them?  If they
  advocate some fundings of science and arts exclusively for people belonging
  to the above catetories (for example, a National Science Foundation
  Grant for Masochists, or a 1993 Portland Summer Games for Homosexuals),
  I admit I do have some reservations.  Sorry, I don't mean to be funny.
  But until I am further educated, I cannot accept them as being special
  aside from their sexual orientation.

U.S.-style Affirmative Action, by the way, is something I do not support.
  From what I see, U.S.-style Affirmative Action (AA) discriminates
  against minorities by suggesting that minorities should be given priorities
  in hiring because they may not be as good.  As a member of the minorities,
  I would feel that I may got hired not because of my qualifications, but
  because I belong to the minorities.  In this regard, I may be inferior
  to others in terms of qualifications.  This is definitely discrimination.

yue-shun, toronto, ontario
[ yho@utcs.utoronto.ca ]
From: s903040@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Christopher Francis Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: So long & thanks for all the fish.
Date: 11 Nov 1992 02:38:10 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

rmarsh@waikato.ac.nz writes:

[bits about leaving deleted, but still noticed]

>  "And now I think the thing I'd like more than anything else is a big
>Callahans style group hug."
>-- 

Okay, lets begin!

* * * * * H U G ! ! * * * * *

-- 
ThunderKat (a.k.a. Chris Anderson)    s903040@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

"Sam pressed the button. A few lights flashed on the CPU. And another human
life ended. Somehow, it's always sad, no matter what."
From: rider@geloser.login.qc.ca (Serge Ayotte)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: An introduction
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 09:14:59 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Gentleman Loser System, Montreal/Qc/Cdn

eeb1@quads.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley) writes:

> Hi, all.
> 
> My name is Beth (well, Edith Elizabeth, but I've always gone by 
> Beth) Bartley.  I've been an occasional lurker on alt.callahans, 
> mostly on the political arguments that crop up, for a while.  I 
> think I've probably posted a couple of articles, but not a 
> significant number.  This is a delurking post that hopefully will 
> persuade me to keep posting.

After hearing Beth intro, Rider gets up and goes over to Mike to grap a
cup of tea for himself (in RL it's 9.00 <grin>) and a coke for Beth.

HE walks over to her, bows carefully as not to spill the drinks and
offer her the coke.

"Beth, it always a pleasure to meet new friend around the Place. And
since you are a bookworm-compatriot (I have the same taste, but much
more SF then fantasy), may I hug you?"

Rider puts is cup down on the nearest table and smiles warly to Beth...


Serge Ayotte

Old MacDonald had a computer, with EIA I/O...
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From: ssample1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Stephen and Roo)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: Nov MIA list (Nao not totally gone)
Date: 14 Nov 92 03:29:54 GMT
Followup-To: alt.callahans
Organization: Swarthmore College

In article <1e0ro2INN2s6@morrow.stanford.edu>, GE.LJB@forsythe.stanford.edu
(Louis J Bookbinder) wrote:
***
> The following have not posted in OH, So Long. Are they gone forever?
> 
> MEMBERS IN ABSENTIA (M.I.A.)   (as of 1 Oct 1992)
> ----------------------------
***
> Nao *
***
> Nick Chopper - my opinion? ax not! LB>-}  BOOKY@Forsythe.stanford.edu
 HmmI
 Let's try this againI
 Stephen gets up and puts a small five-pointed asterisk by Nao's name.
 Nao is around and well, but she doesn't have time to read Callahans' this
semester (actually, we are both very busy, so we're splitting our
newsreading: I read about half of the groups and she reads the others and
we relay interesting articles to each other)
 She may pop in again at some point, thoughI
 If you want to talk to her, I will relay messages.
QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
Stephen and Roo (living with Nao) Sample
ssample1@cc.swarthmore.edu
From: randolph@cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz)
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
Subject: Re: More elections, a victory...
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:00:14 GMT
	<1992Nov5.034627.13318@midway.uchicago.edu>
Organization: St. Dismas Infirmary for the Incurably Informed
NNTP-Posting-Host: cognito.ebay.sun.com
In-reply-to: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu's message of 5 Nov 92 03:46:27 GMT

"Michael, it's sad that trust is so poor; it's also understandable.
It's the mirror of organized bigotry: organzied bigotry encourages the
victims to become bigots themselves.  Why should they trust, when
they've been given every reason for mistrust?  And trust must be
earned; after centuries of abuse it will be long and long before that
trust is established."

__R
Newsgroups: alt.callahans
From: steve@crc.ricoh.COM (Stephen R. Savitzky)
Subject: Re: More elections, a victory...
Organization: RICOH California Research Center
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:45:44

<<<< CRASH! >>>>
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