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From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,alt.config
Subject: Re: soc.culture.lang.bengali
Date: 2 Jan 93 15:36:50 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1993Jan2.203804.6436@udel.edu>, godura@hercules.cis.udel.edu 
>(Ruchir Godura) writes:
> AHHHH ! Now that the Bengali newsgroup is well on the way to formation,
> all we need is Dasur konar cha-er dokan to serve deem toast, kolaa, half
> cup cha, biskut, and, of course, Churms and Feeltar Hoeels ceegarette,
> while our minds wrestle with the problems facing mankind in general, and
> our fingers wrestle with the carrom board.
> Aamaar sonaar aaddaa !
> Ruchir.
> 
> -- 
> Ruchir Godura | godura@cis.udel.edu | (302) 731-4123 (H) (302) 831-1949 (W)


  Man (lady Ruchira), you are really good. This *is* exactly what I did when
  I was in KGP and Jadavpur. But, Feeltaar Hoeels ceegarette is quite costly.
  I used to smoke Naambaar 10 shigareette and "eat" (khetam) dobol half-cup
  cha (tea) 8-). Nikhil-er deem-ruti (a la deem toast) is still nostalgic.

  Aaamar Sonar Aaddaa,
  Ami tomai bhalobasi;
  Aadda dieye, aadda merey,
  din choley jai urey, urey,
  sudhu monalisa hesey jai,
  sareer anchchal urieye ...

       Money porey Ruby Rai
       Kobitai tomakey -
       Ekdin kotokorey dekhechchi -
       Aaj hai Ruby Rai,
       dekey bolo aamakey,
       "Tomekey kothai jeno dekhechchi - ".

   ..............

       (Arindam Ghosh the great "magibaaz" shall complete the rest. It is
        *moral* duty, as, he is from RK Hall, IIT KGP. 8-)).

      Happy New Year,

     - deb chatterjee
    (a good samaritan)
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From: dchatterjee@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Please vote *NO* to ACB (Re: Alt.culture.bengal (NO !!!).)
Date: 24 Dec 92 20:10:43 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1hdebaINNldg@hsc.usc.edu>, banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>>In article <199212240126.AA05216@mp.cs.niu.edu>, t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar) writes:
> 
>>> when do we have our own alt.culture.bangla newsgroup?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I think that most Bengali readers like myself will opine that there
    is *NO* need for fragmenting the SCI without any rhyme or reason. What
    Tamil readers have done is their buisness, and, there is no need to
    follow such glorious examples.
 
>>> Any takers?

    Yeah, yourself ! 
> 
> I dont see why you cannot post such articles to SCI with or without 
> translations.  I do not like the idea of splintering SCI for every
> linguistic and ethnic group in India. In am sure most people are 
> well aware of India's diversity and will not mind a few extra articles.
> In addition, it will give other people on SCI a chance to read about Bengali
> literature even on an irregular basis and that would go a long way in promoting
> our appreciation of each other's culture. 
> 
> I do not have the enthusiasm or time to read anything other than SCI
> and even as a Bengali I do not read SCB (if such an argument can and should be
> made!!). I know, I will not be motivated enough to read ACB simply because 
> there are a couple of postings there in my native language. SCI seems like a 
> much more pragmatic and logical choice.
> 
>...... (deleted)........
> 
> Samit
>

  Keeping in style with the spirit of Samit's posting, I urge *all* Bengali
  readers of SCI to answer Bijoy Sagar's sectarian mentality with an

  *EMPHATIC NO*.

  I vote *NO* to Bijoy's clarion call. 

  For once, let's show that we can rise above our peevish, provincial
  feelings - that are ultimately modes of expressing hate for the other
  Indian. 

        - AVE MARIA,

         deb chatterjee
       (a good samaritan) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sbose@cse.iitb.ernet.in (Sanjay Bose)
Subject: Want to know whereabouts of Dhakaites
Organization: Department of Computer Science,IIT, Bombay
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:38:07 GMT


To all Dhakaites ,

	    Recently I went through the news groups and found
that some of my classmates in school and college are parked out
in various places in United States. I would appreciate if some 
of them still remember me and send me their email addresses.
	   The school I attended was St.Francis Xaviers ( aka 
Green Herald Intl School )  and college was Little Flower School.


				      Sanjay Bose

email address :
  
  Preferably : sbose@cse.iitb.ernet.in
  If that fails : sbose@cc.iitb.ernet.in
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.karnataka,soc.culture.tamil
From: rkrithiv@hopi.intel.com (R. Krithivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Swami Vivekananda :: Aggressive Hinduism
Date: 24 Dec 1992 18:43:53 GMT
Organization: --------
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: pima.intel.com

From: Tattva Darsana
By:   Sadhu Rangarajan

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Aggressive Hinduism

His object as regarded India, said the Swami, in a private conversation
had always been "to make Hinduism aggressive". The eternal faith must 
become active and proselytising, capable of sending out special 
missionaries, of making converts, of taking back into her folds those
of her own children, who had been perverted from her, and of the conscious 
and deliberate assimilation of new elements. Did he know that any community
becomes aggressive, that any faith will be made active, the moment it
becomes aware of itself as an organized unity? Did he know that he himself 
was to make this self recognition possible to the church of his forefathers?
At any rate, his whole work, from the first, had consisted, according to 
his own statements of "a search to find the common bases of Hinduism". He 
felt instinctivly that to find these and reassert them, was the only way of 
opening to the mother church the joyous conviction of her own youth and 
strength. Had not Buddha preached renunciation and Nirvana, and because 
these were essentials of the national life, had not India, within two 
centuries of his death, become a powerful empire? So he, too, would fall 
back on the essentials, and declare them, leaving results to take care of 
themselves. 

He held that the one authority which Hinduism claimed to rest upon, the 
only guide she  proposed to the  individual soul, was "spiritual truth". 
Those laws of experience that underlie, and give birth to, all scriptures,  
were what she really meant by the word Vedas. 

The books called by that name were refused by some of her children --
the Jains for example -- yet the Jains were none less than Hindus for
that. All that is true is Veda, and the Jain is to the full as much 
bound by his view of truth as any other. For he would extend the sphere
of the Hindu church to its utmost. With her two wings she would cover all 
her fledglings. "I go forth" he had said of himself, "I go forth, to preach
a religion of which Buddhism is nothing but a rebel child, and Christianity
with all her pretensions only a distant echo!" Even as books, however, he 
would claim that the glory of the Vedic scriptures was unique in the 
history of religion. And this not merely because of their great antiquity;
but vastly more for the fact that they, alone amongst all the authoritative
books of the world, warned man that he must go beyond all books. 

Next: Swami Vivekananda and Love for Islam. 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Krithi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dea@geocomp.cee.rpi.edu (Anirban De)
Subject: BJP wants to worship at disputed site in Ayodhya
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 19:20:05 GMT


Source: BBC World Service
Time:  10am EST (15:00 GMT)
Country: India

The BJP has requested the HIgh Court in India to allow
Hindus to worship idols of Rama in the temple built at
the disputed site.

	A series of protest marches were held in Ayodhya
There was no incidence of any serious disturbance, but a
number of activists were briefly arrested.

	The BBC correspondent in Delhi, Sam Miller reported
that it appears that in the days to come the BJP will 
intensify its demad to use the temple for worship.
However, since the Central government has promised to 
rebuild the mosque, worship in the temple would come
as an embarrassment.


Anirban De
dea@rpi.edu

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: must@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mustafa Syed)
Subject: Re: Hindus Resume Prayers in Ayodhya Shrine 
Keywords: Ayodhya Prayers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 23:01:53 GMT

In article <C08JHG.Cn9@uceng.uc.edu> mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
>In article <1993Jan2.123536.27683@ulysses.att.com> bala@ulysses.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy) writes:
>>apnews reports:
>>	   NEW DELHI, India (AP) _ Jubilant Hindu devotees, watched by
>>armed troops, resumed prayers today at a disputed shrine in
>>northern India after a court ordered the government to allow the
>>rites.
>>	   Authorities had stopped prayers to avoid Hindu-Muslim clashes at
>>the site in Ayodhya, 310 miles east of New Delhi. Hindu militants
>>tore down a mosque there on Dec. 6 and erected a makeshift temple,
>>setting off nationwide riots that killed 1,200 people.
>>	   Prayers were suspended Tuesday after Muslims threatened to march
>>to the site to pray. About 200 Muslims fought with police on
>>Thursday.
>>	   Three Hindu religious groups challenged the ban. On Friday, a
>>court ruled that Hindus had the right to pray, but said the
>>authorities could regulate access to the site to maintain order.
>>	   Today, about 60 saffron-robed ascetics and small groups of
>>devotees blew conch shells and chanted hymns in front of the
>>canopied temple, Press Trust of India reported.
>>	   They were among 90 holy men who had refused food for four days
>>to protest the prayer ban.
>>	   Many Hindus believe Mogul invaders built the mosque on the ruins
>>of an earlier temple marking the traditional birthplace of
>>warrior-god Rama. Both communities have been locked in a
>>decades-old legal battle over ownership of the site.
>>	   Muslim leaders have demanded the immediate reconstruction of the
>>mosque. Hindu radical groups want to build a grand temple there.
>>	   The government has proposed taking over about 100 acres of land
>>around the disputed shrine and setting up independent trusts to
>>build a temple and a mosque.
>>	   The plan has satisfied neither Hindus nor Muslims.
>>	   India's Muslims number 120 million, 12 percent of the nation's
>>875 million people. Hindus account for 82 percent.
>>
>
>I have some questions here.
>
>1. How do Hindus have a right to pray there?
>2. Do Muslims also have a right to pray there?
>
>It is very difficult to understand how the GOI thinks.
>
>
>Manoj

	I have a much more basic question, 
	how can 12% of 875 = 120 million ?

	it should be about 105 million. Also since the census figures are
	11.8% muslims and 850 million total indian population,
	the correct figure should be ~100 million.

	This basically means that India has less number of muslims then
	both Pakistan and Bangladesh, and claims that india has second
	largest muslim population after Indonesia is farce.

	Agreed??????????

Mustafa Syed.










Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering)
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:01:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.223704.9913@ryn.mro4.dec.com> verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma) writes:
>
>In article <1gtdttINN6ca@phakt.usc.edu>, fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes...
>> 
>>Akash Deshpande writes:
>>>>	         The proofs of science are based on 'virtual reality', i.e., 
>>>>	the reality which exist within the context of seeker's sense
>>>>	instruments.
>>>
>>>Finally, well said V. You can round off your argument with the following 
>>>quote from Kena Upanishad:
>> 
>> 
>>	And why should anyone take Kena Upanishada at face value? 
>
>	No, if knowledge is exclusive property of fafat or WORMS.
>> 
>> 
>>>I am still waiting for "proof" that there's light when the sun's up.
>>>Since I am rather certain that there can be no such proof, I am justified
>>>in assuming that hardened amateur philosophers are blind to the
>>>light of the inner sun.
>>>-Akash
>> 
>>	ask your friend (preferably Worma :) to hold a giant convex lens
>>	and tell me if you're impervious when your clothes catch fire.
>> 
>
>	Is that your definition of light? You get an F------ in your physics.
>	According to Vedic knowledge, Existence of light implies shape 
>	not heat. No light, no shape.
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

         Shape can be perceived without light. A blind person can 
         easily distinguish from a sphere from a cube etc. 
         The 'shape' visible to our eye capable of 'seeing' a
         limited spectrum of light reflected from the object is
         still only a partial seeing.

       
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Disclaimer:
>I express my views under the freedom of speech guaranteed by the constitution
>of the United States of America. My employer is not responsible for any
>damage or damages caused as a result of my writings. I use my employer's
>facilities for a cost of putting extra two hours per week.
>
>WORMA, the WORMS charmer and WORM Abater.
>
>-- Virendra Verma
>------------------------------------------------------------------------- 


          -Selva
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: banerjee@aludra.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Alt.culture.bengal
Date: 24 Dec 1992 15:19:28 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec24.225027.29325@news2.cis.umn.edu> balaji@milli.cs.umn.edu (Balaji Srinivasan) writes:

>>Soc.culture newsgroups are usually reserved for individual countries. The las
>>time I checked, West Bengal was still a part of India :-)

>   How about soc.culture.tamil ? Are you saying Tamil Nadu is a seperate 
>   country now ? The motivation for creating it was that tamilians are spread 
>   out not only in TamilNadu but also in countries like Malaysia etc, in 
>   large proportions. 

You missed the word "usually" in my sentence above. At any rate, I do not
know if the people behind the formation of SCT could have been influenced
in some small way by the events in Sri Lanka and the need to provide
a newsgroup and a captive audience for those who espouse the cause of the 
Tamil Eelam. SCI would clearly not have been suitable for that purpose.


>   I think you looked at it from  a very narrow perspective.. 

No, I am looking at the issue from the broadest perspective possible 
and that is as an Indian.


-- 
Samit Banerjee				|			
University of Southern California,	| If you take yourself too seriously, 
Internet  banerjee@aludra.usc.edu       | you will be only one who does.
Bellnet: (213) 342-1401			|			 	
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From: banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: My reply to an3814
Date: 3 Jan 1993 14:18:15 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan3.204702.18285@fuug.fi> an3814@anon.penet.fi writes:

>himself.  You must be wondering that who that insane is.  He is bastard
>of all time Mr. Samit Bannerjee.  Ironically, he is himself a Bengali and
>a Hindu but he used filthy language against his Hindu Bengali brothers.

This is diabolical. First this guy copies my .sig file and posts an
article flaming Deepak Bose and claiming that it originated at my account. 
Then he has the nerve and the imagination to match, to come back and blame me
for the filth that is being posted here. And he does it all anonymously.
One would have thought that if he had any evidence, he would have the
honesty and sincerity to post it under his real name.

Yesterday when I replied to his posting, and asked him to desist from using
my .sig file, the anonymous server in Finland gave me a number that is an4404. 
And I will say this only once, I did NOT post those articles with
Mustafa's signature.

I will not speculate on who this person is or what is motives may be in
accusing me but the fact that he dosen't like me seems obvious.

>The proofs which I have, are sufficient to get his account cancelled at 
>USC.  However, I leave this to the readers of SCP/SCI/SCB to decide what
>we should do with him.

You dont have any proof and if you do lets see it.

Samit
-- 
Samit Banerjee,			    |  
University of Southern California   |  A man who smiles when things go wrong,
Internet: banerjee@scf.usc.edu      |  has found somebody to blame it on.
Bellnet : (213) 342-1401            |
From: rajat@sunny3.che.clarkson.edu (Rajat Kapoor)
Subject: MATRIMONIAL UPDATE : WEEKLY REMINDER 
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:13:05 GMT

A suggestion after noticing atleast two matrimonials recently:

How about starting a " Matrimonial Update: Weekly Reminder" with,
of course, the usual columns of ratings and, most important, the
comments ...  such as...

- Was Rude. Did not call Back

- Took all the money (dowry) in advance. Changed name since.

- Courteous. Satisfied everybody.

- Dilly-dallied to the last moment 

- Unreliable

- Accepts Credit Cards


Rajat Kapoor

PS. An Eligible Bachelor
From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Good News for India
Date: 23 Dec 1992 23:32:37 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Keywords: PIGS, ABCDs, ISAs, UCLA. UGs


>	It might interest you that at USC we follow the ancient Indian 
>	tradition of never getting along with each other. We have two
>	India Associations. 
>
>	Shivanand Bhajekar

	This is interesting. One is by the desis for desis and the ABCDs.
	The other one is of the abcds, for the abcds by the abcds. And they
	have a very moronish reason for it : It's because UCLA has 3
	ISAs (anyone at UCLA to confirm?)... btw, most of the PIGS stay away
	from both the ISAs (except during shluurrrppp time, of course).
	Most of the show is by UGs.
From: dpereira@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: DEADLINE TO STOP OBSCENE POSTINGS!
Date: 3 Jan 93 18:58:44 GMT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR


				MEMO
				----


TO:	Deepak Bose, Deb Chatterjee, Mustafa Ibrahim, anonymous obscene posters,
	others who post *really* obscene and offensive material

FROM:	D. Pereira and others,
	Indignant and frustrated readers

REF:	DEADLINE TO STOP POSTING OFFENSIVE OR RACIST MATERIAL ON 
	SOC.CULTURE.INDIAN


After Tuesday, January 5, 1992 at midnight, if I see *any* postings or replies
to postings that are offensive, racist or intolerable to me, I will forward 
copies to your respective system administrators, who will then decide what 
action, if any, to take against you.  In effect, it will be your sys ads who 
will then determine if the material is unsuitable for public medium, not me.
He/she may then decide whether you should be denied write access to USENET or
be further penalized. (Some of the postings seen recently may even be used as
evidence for civil/criminal litigation.)

If any other sci readers out there decide to support this action, then please
express your opinion.  A suggestion: extract this memo and post it again under
your own name.  Do please take the effort to type the SUBJECT heading over,
rather then doing a REPLY.  This way you will convey to the offenders that you
feel as strongly about this.

A final note to the persons mentioned above - please take this very seriously.
It is NOT a joke.
From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: TOP 10 differences between .......
Date: 23 Dec 1992 15:30:44 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

v. raghavan writes:
>fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
>
>   >Anand writes:
>   >>   The top 10 differences between men and animals :
>   >>	4. animals need not wear anything but men .....
>   >
>   >	err.. how do you wear a man? :)
>		        ^^^^^^
>nag nag nag :)

>(Dictionary: Wear = To tire or fatigue)
>
>A male feminist (name plagiarized, of course)


	:) And pray, tell me what men "wear" (out)? I tht it was the women
	who wore out men with nag nag nag :):)

	feminazi baiter :)


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From: gupta@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (Sanjay K. Gupta)
Subject: Le Figaro : French newsp. about Ayodhya
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Billerica, Mass. (USA)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 21:21:35 GMT

	There has been lot of sentimental outpouring on this net about the 
imminent demise of moribund secularism in India. But, also, there has been wise
efforts to get to the root of the problem. A wide section of net-writers seem 
to share that the root cause is political exploitation. Political exploitation,
as a netter said yesterday, POLITICIANS MAY EXPLOIT THIS FEELING, BUT THAT
CANNOT DENY THE EXISTENCE OF THE FEELING ITSELF. 
	What has come to generate that feeling? I quote an interview published 
recently in the leading french newspaper 'Le Figaro':"This shows to what extent 
that which I had felt in advance was true: Islam is a taboo which you can not 
defy unpunishedly. Today there is something very disturbing for the foundations 
of our Republic, viz. for secularism... It is possible for a top civil servant 
to doubt Ram's divinity without creating a ripple, but it is impossible to 
speak of Prophet Mohammed...  [I have been hit by] not a law, but a collective 
and almost unanimous observed taboo. This taboo is not typical for the Left... 
I have found out that there is of course a Leftist pro-Islamism linked with the 
post colonial complex, but also a rightist pro-Islam... There has been strong 
pressure from Islamic embassies. That this pressure exists, show to what extent.
Islamic circles are incapable of listening to criticism".
To the question whether democracy is lacking in aggressiveness, he replied: 
"Rather,it lacks courage..  My book, it is nothing but the right of intellectual
intervention. But because it concerns Islam, it is deemed insupportable. There 
are double standards at work." He compares with similar topics:"This book is not
more scandalous than those I have published  about Hinduism, about Israel, or 
about the art of government. I realised I was touching on a taboo, but I didn't
know it was that strong." Who do you think was this person? Must be a 
RSS/VHP/BJP variety writer? Just replace the word Christianism for Hinduism, 
Christ for Ram, and this is exactly what Jean-Claude Barreo, a french civil 
servant, who was sacked in Nov '91 after violent protest for using the word 
"archaic" for Islam, said in his interview. 
	Those who are interested in reaching the root of the problem should also
explore this sentiment. Isn't it the same frustration Mr. Chatterjee, an upright
IAS officer and 1966 batch topper expressed when he resigned last year in 
disgust against the accusation of being Hindu fanatic.

Sanjay K. Gupta 
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