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From: kaszyn@helix.nih.gov (Eve Kaszynski)
Subject: Re: Canaries
Organization: National Institutes of Health, DCRT, CSL
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:35:06 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.202800.29191@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902117@juno.ariel.yorku.ca (Tony D'Alfonso) writes:
> 
>About a couple of summers ago, my canaries mated,
> and one survived, but his little leg got tangled with some string that the
> mother canary put in the nest, which twisted his leg as he grew.  He's over a
> year old and he has had that crooked leg all his life.  I was wondering if 
> there was a way to fix that leg?
> 

I once read an article in Bird Talk magazine about an Amazon Gray Parrot that
had two broken legs which healed without being set.  One of his legs was
surgically corrected, but the operation was very risky, and cost the owners
$800.  Because there is so much risk and expense involved in surgically
re-breaking and re-setting broken legs, the parrot's owners elected not to have
the other leg done.

My assessment of this situation is that your canary can probably get around
with using just one leg all his life.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
Subject: Need Goffin Advice
Summary: What do we "replace" our Grey with?
Organization: Novell, Inc. - Walnut Creek
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:39:22 GMT

My wife and I just gave up our 5 month-old African Grey (Congo).
He was simply too much to handle (no pun intended).  Although
my wife helped raise him, he was overly aggressive (biting), and
was extremely hand-shy.  He was this way since we picked him as
a hatchling, but we were assured he would "grow out of it."  Needless
to say, he never did.  Luckily for all of us, our breeder/dealer
took the bird back and gave us full credit.

We are now wondering what kind of bird to get.  We have a wonderful
Senegal who's just great.  My wife would like a "lap bird" -- aka
a "kitten w/wings."  We're considering a Goffin cockatoo, but would
like to hear from some Goffin owners before committing to one.

ANY input/advice is appreciated.



--
Mark Chandler               Novell, Inc.          510/975-4522
chandler@wc.novell.com      Walnut Creek, CA      510/938-2562 FAX
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     The opinions expressed above are mine, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: kaszyn@helix.nih.gov (Eve Kaszynski)
Subject: Re: Button Quail
Organization: National Institutes of Health, DCRT, CSL
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:24:07 GMT

In article <2223@bcstec.boeing.com>, ackerman@bcstec.boeing.com (Ron Ackermann) writes:
> 
> 
> We are planning on getting some button quail to forage around the
> bottom of our cockatiel/love bird cage (2'x4' floor area, 4 feet high).
> We have talked to several people who have done this in the past, and
> all said it worked great.  However, before we commit ourselves I wanted
> to check the net wisdom on this subject.  Does anyone have any advice/
> info on this arrangement?

You cannot have more than one male button quail in the same cage or one
will eventually kill the other.  This happened to me.  If you mix a male
with several females, be prepared for babies--lots of them.  The females
lay many, many eggs--far more than they can properly incubate.  The babies
are unbelievably tiny and can walk right through the bars of most cages.

The quail cannot live off of the empty seed hulls that fall to the bottom
of the cage.  They need a good finch seed mix, plus an insectile mix, grit,
and an occasional mealworm.  They need a pile of clean sand dumped in the 
corner of their cage and they will delight in taking dust baths in the sand.
Quails scratch (like chickens) and send all their seed and sand flying
out of the cage.  It is very important to keep the bottom of the cage clean
because since they stay on the floor of the cage, it is easy for their
foragings to become contaminated and this will lead to disease.

Quail are very nervous and timid, and when startled, they will fly straight
up, sometimes hitting their heads full tilt on the top of the cage.  They
frequently meet their deaths this way.  Sometimes you will come home and
find your quail with bloody scalps.  I am not trying to dissuade you from
owning these charmers, but you need to know what to expect.


-Eve
From: dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Dan Cogswell)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Orange juice for parrots?
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:45:24 GMT

Here's a simple one for all of you:  is orange juice/citrus fruit/etc.
okay for parrots?  A friend told me to avoid feeding citrus fruit to
my conure becuase of the amount of acid involved.  Still, my bird LOVES
orange juice.  I've been giving him a shot-glass full in the morning for
the last few days.  He drinks much more OJ than water. 
--
Dan Cogswell               dlcogswe@vela.acs.oakland.edu
From: swt@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Congo grey chewing
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:11:33 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <9APR199216013351@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>,
ttkunat@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (DAVE KUNATH) writes: 
> 
> 	Can anyone give me the name of something that will keep my Grey 
> busy ? 

> Thanks in advance,
> 
> David J. Kunath
> NASA Lewis Research Center
> Cleveland, Ohio
> 
> 				

Here are some things that work for Keltset and Smokey (my apartmentmate's
two greys)

	cardboard (especially cardboard tubes, from inside wrapping paper
		   and paper towel rolls)
	pens (with the ink cartridge removed, and don't ever count on 
		using the pen again! :-)  Pen caps alone are often 
		okay, too)
	bird toys with long chains and bells
	interesting chewy food items (corn cobs, the inner cores of
		pineapples, celery)

Smokey's favorite occupation is ripping up the newspaper under his cage,
but I've heard that the ink in newspaper is poisonous so I wouldn't recommend
this unless you can get paper that hasn't been printed on yet.

			--Beth

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From: Debby.Steele@bird.com (Debby Steele)
Sender: FredMail@bird.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: LOVEBIRD WITH TOE DEFORMITY
Date: 05 Apr 92  14:27:15 EST


 > Date: 3 Apr 1992 09:56:24 -0600
 > 
 > I have 2 9-week-old lovebirds right now (both for sale; their 
 > brother just
 > sold) and one of them has a mild toe deformity.  I wodered if anyone 
 > else
 > has seen this problem and if there are any recommendations for 
 > dealing with
 > it.
 > The problem is this: the inside rear toes on this bird don't go 
 > back, but
 > fold forwardinside the big front toe.  They then lie upside down 
 > inside
 > the foot, so the claws stick up.  Gamma doesn't seem the least bit 
 > affected
 > by this; she hangs onto perches etc. without any trouble--but I 

I've had this problem with finches and canaries in the past and it's called
Slip Claw. They can be born with it or have it happen in the nest. It's very
easy to fix when young. The hardest part is finding it when they are still
young because it's not noticeable when they are so little. I don't know if 9
weeks is to old to fix it or not but what you do is pull the toe up along the
back of the leg and tape it there with the nail straight up and in about 3 to 4
weeks when you untape it's a normal toe. I would NOT recommend that you do this
by yourself the 1st time, go to your avian vet and make sure you are shown
properly. Then if it happens in the future you will know what to do. A friend
of mine has a blue masked lovebird with a toe like yours and it wasn't fixed
and the bird gets around normally.

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: kaszyn@helix.nih.gov (Eve Kaszynski)
Subject: Re: Cat
Organization: National Institutes of Health, DCRT, CSL
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:41:47 GMT

In article <92105.133232SR190504@ysub.ysu.edu>, Vincent M. Tkac (SR) <SR190504@ysub.ysu.edu> writes:
> 
> Greetings,
>    I was wondering what the chances of a kitten and a bird getting
> along would be.  The kitten is 6 weeks old and the bird is several
> years (at least) old.  Is there much of a chance that they wouldn't
> harm each other?
> 

I have kept parakeets and cats together for years.  Eventually, every one
of the parakeets got killed by the cats.

I have also kept Amazon parrots and cats together with no problem.  The
parrots actually struck at the cats if they got too close, and the cats
became afraid of the parrots.

So it all depends on the size of bird that you have.

-Eve
From: ackerman@bcstec.boeing.com (Ron Ackermann)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Button Quail
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:50:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: boeing


We are planning on getting some button quail to forage around the
bottom of our cockatiel/love bird cage (2'x4' floor area, 4 feet high).
We have talked to several people who have done this in the past, and
all said it worked great.  However, before we commit ourselves I wanted
to check the net wisdom on this subject.  Does anyone have any advice/
info on this arrangement?  What should we feed them in addition to the
seed that is dropped by the 'tiels/love birds?  Do they need toys for
entertainment like the 'tiels?  How many should we get (a foursome
so they can get up a hand of bridge? :-) )?

The cage currently holds 3 cockatiels and 2 love birds, all of them
hand fed and tame.  They have lived together for 3 years with no
problems.

Thanks for any advice/stories you might be able to relate.  If there
is enough interest, I forward, or compile and repost (assuming I can
figure out how to do it).  :-)

-- 
Ron Ackermann  DoD # 0462
ackerman@bcstec.ca.boeing.com
RTE,ETR
From: wlj@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Walter Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Jardine Parrots...
Keywords: Jardine
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:31:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

Does anyone have any experience or sources of info relating to a Jardine
Parrot.   Any info would be greatly appreciated.
From: kathyj@gatecom.UUCP (kathy johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
Subject: Re: Ronco ConureAlarm (tm) System!
Keywords: Loud, Louder, Loudest!
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 22:21:51 EDT
Organization: Gateway Communication Inc.

>    Seriously folks, our jenday, Jin-Jin, has been driving us nuts.
> Not only is he grumpy because it is spring, and his thoughts are
> turning to love (judging by the way he cozies up to the guinea pigs
> in an especially enthusiastic manner lately, and his newly aggressive
> behavior towards visitors), he also wants to make sure he gets
> up early enough so that he has no possible chance of missing
> any possible mate that might happen by. Now, I understand that
> as the sun gets up earlier, so do the birds, but our once sweet-natured
> conure is turning into the bird from hell. If we weren'tready
> to get up yet, he used to be content to be let out of the cage,
> put next to the bed, and given a few Avi-Cakes to nibble on. 
> Now he is getting up at 6:30, and demands CONSTANT ATTENTION upon
> rising, and for up to an hour after he gets up before contenting
> himself with mearly being in our presence.
>    We have tried putting a blanket over his cage and putting
> him in a dark area, but he's no fool. He hears the birds
> chirping outside. 
>    Is there anything I can do to restore his good humor and
> perhaps have him get up a little bit later in the morning?
> Or should we just expect this to continue until autumn?
> Also, he turns 1 in about a week, and is this a sign that
> he is reaching maturity, and we should expect this for the
> rest of his life? (*sigh*) 
>    A few other bits of background info:
>    1. I call Jin-Jin a he, but he has not been surgically sexed,
> so I am just making a guess. 
>    2. There is usually someone in the house until 11am and after
> 6pm. Longer on Weekends. When we are home, he is ALWAYS out of
> the cage (except when it is his bedtime, between 8 and 10, whenever he
> gets sleepy or really grumpy), and often on someone's shoulder,
> being tickled, etc. He gets a fair amount of attention.
>    3. He is the world's PICKIEST eater, and is scared of any
> food that does not look like a grain product. He squawks and
> puts as much distance as possible between himself and fruits
> and veggies. He gets a low-sunflower seed content seed mix,
> plus Avi-Cakes (by LaFeber, supposedly a balanced diet), and
> LaFeber Pellets and those cluster things he makes. He also
> eats Cheerios. He eats LOTS of Avi-Cakes, so I am hoping that his
> diet is relatively balanced. I keep trying to introduce other
> things (I know, I know, he needs to eat them) but so far, 
> no luck. We keep trying though. 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.birds
From: bmartino@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Bob Martino)
Subject: Re: cute lovebird story
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:00:12 GMT

In article <sfel0INNj62@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Mil
ler) writes:
>
>She discovered, wandering around the kitchen table, the sugar spoon in
>the sugar bowl.  Being a lovebird, she bites everything, so she went to
>bite this (stainless) spoon. Halfway there she saw a nasty, bad-tempered
>lovebird in the spoon, reaching out to bite her!  Of course, no coward, she
>fluffed up, crouched down and opened her beak wider--but the other bird
>did the same!  She stuck out her tongue and got as big as possible--and
>Keith and I weere rolling on the floor, she looked so silly!  THose birds
>in silverware really are mean!  Not like the bird in the bathroom mirror--
>he's really cute, even though he won't get close...

     That sounds great, Ruth!

     Actually, as a teacher of physics I can tell you why I *think*
she reacted differently.  The inside of the spoon is like a
concave mirror...it will magnify the image of whatever is in
front of it.  So, your lovebird saw a BIGGER bird in the spoon
and tried to look bigger herself in defense.  Same principle is
involved with vanity make-up mirrors that magnify your image.

     Aaah yes...
     Cute birds and PHYSICS too!
     It just doesn't GET any better than this!

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From: Auferret@CVMMDL1.MSstate.EDU (Jennifer Au)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Ferret Show in GA
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:27:03 GMT
Organization: Miss. State U. College of Vet. Med.

Ferret Show in Cornelia, GA (atleast I think that's the name of the town). It's
about 70 miles NE of Atlanta. The show is this sat. April 11,1992. It's too
late to enter but you can come out and see a live ferret show. Only altered
ferrets are allowed and they must have their rabies vaccinations. It's a 
small show since ferrets were just recently legalized and they don't want to
have any problems their first time out. It will start at 1:00 pm and last 
about 4 hours (I think). I'll be there and i'd like to meet any of you that 
want to try and make it. I know it's short notice. I only found out about 
this weekend. If anyone's interested let me know and I'll get you directions.
          Jenny Au
From: rdmiller@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Ruth D Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Ferrets on the National News
Date: 13 Apr 1992 16:36:47 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Anyone catch the bit on the news, I think it was Saturday, on a Ferret Fair
in (I think) MD?  Lots and lots of pampered ferrets, being showed and showed
off-one rolled over on command for the commentator.  But the news people took
the whole thing as a joke and a fad and failed to extol the virtues of 
ferrets--even allowed us to think they are _weasels_! (gasp!)  One person
interviewed said she had 50-some ferrets and had just purchased another--
can never have enough, she said!

Ruth
From: dwilbert@bbn.com (Deborah Wilbert)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: GP diet
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:27:08 GMT
Reply-To: dwilbert@BBN.COM (Deborah Wilbert)
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc., Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

In article <15177@drutx.ATT.COM> njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ) writes:
>
>MOST IMPORTANT, be sure that at least 80% of your bunny's diet is a good,
>nutritionally balanced pellet, and that a good hay (2nd or 3rd cut alfalfa
>or Timothy are excellent) is always available to him.
>

Is this true of GPs too? My GP has gotten more demanding as time has
passed and I think pellets probably only constitute about half her
diet now (the rest being alfalfa hay, raw veggies, and some dry
treat). Can it really be bad for her to eat too many fresh veggies?
What would her ancestors eat in the wild?

BTW, I read last night in an article in the Economist that capybaras
can weigh in at over 110 lbs! (Actually, the main point of the article
was even more astonishing. Apparently, capybara meat is officially
sanctioned as a Lenten food, in the same catagory as fish, due to
their being semi-aquatic and first seen swimming in rivers. Each
spring, up to a third of the capybara population in one area is
herded, killed, and salted for consumption during Lent!)

-Deborah
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: kbourque@mtholyoke.edu (Karen Bourque)
Subject: Rabbit Chatter
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:53:09 GMT

Does anyone out there have a rabbit that makes strange noises?
I thought these little creatures were supposed to be silent!
I mean, mine doesn't bark when I walk in the door, but she
does squeak quite a bit...

Karen

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Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: schwae@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Eric A. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Sorry for the misspell of Ferrets
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:40:34 GMT

In article <set.701900003@harry.cis.ksu.edu.cis.ksu.edu> set@cis.ksu.edu (Toaster Man) writes:
>I recently call for the creation of the news group REC.PET.FERRETTS
>As i have been notified of my little error.  Im sorry.. pleeze no wet noodles.
>
>
>I how ever would like to have a call for REC.PET.FERRETS    :)
>
I have mixed feelings about it.  While it would be good from the
standpoint of getting ferrets recognized as "real pets", it would
also segregate them.  I question if we have the bandwidth to warrant
the group, and if the bandwidth here is so bad that it is warranted.
Some sites may not carry r.p.ferrets, so some people may lose out.

So count me as undecided.

E.S. 
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: cboyd@irus.rri.uwo.ca (Cameron Boyd)
Subject: Killer Bunny
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:39:01 GMT

     I'm new to this group, but I just took a quick scan, and there 
doesn't seem to be anything posted recently about my problem, so I 
don't think I'm dragging up anything that's "old hat".

     I have two rabbits, a male (Copernicus), and a female (Worf - I
know, good choice, eh?).  Worf is an extremely well be haved rabbit.
She seldom chews on things outside her cage, and hasn't done anything
on the carpet since the first month we got her.  Copernicus, however,
is a problem.  He was raised by a couple of bratty kids, and we got him
at about six months, after he had devloped some nasty habits.  He 
developed some more in the next six months, before we realized that we
should get him fixed.  He calmed down a lot, but since then he has been
getting steadily worse.  He doesn't pee (at least not as much as he did
before the operation), but he bites, and he only bites me, not my
girlfriend.  He does it without provocation, that I can see.  This is more
than just a warning "nip".  He throws himself full force at my hand.
Much of the time he's ok, but it's generally not safe for me to reach into his
cage without first getting ahold of his neck, and he seems to see me as a threat
outside the cage, and will attack my hand if extended to him. 

     Is there anything I can do?  (Other than "Well, you're obviously not
handling him properly.  My rabbit doesn't bite.")  I'd like to be able to
calm him down, but the effects of the neutering seem to be minimal.

Cam

PS - Worf and Copernicus get along fine.  She likes to play, but he mostly
     ignores her (although sometimes does a bit of close sniffing.)  Also,
     whenever I manage to get him in a bad mood (however that happens), he
     has a tendency to charge her, but she's fast enough to take care of
     herself.
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cboyd@irus.rri.uwo.ca          "I must protest!  I am NOT a merry man!" - Worf
Cameron Boyd            "Oh, very clever Worf, eat any good books lately?" - Q
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From: set@cis.ksu.edu (Toaster Man)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: My ferret doesnt like linatone
Date: 15 Apr 1992 18:42:19 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Department of Computing and Information Sciences
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: harry.cis.ksu.edu
Originator: set@cis.ksu.edu

Ok I just got back for the vet.  From taking my skinny ferret thier.  Everythingis fine with him but he has a slightly mal-nutritioned ferret.. So she suggestedlinatone to me.. Which I went out and bought, but Smokey doens't like it.
I've put it in his food and he then doenst eat the food.. arrrgggg picky, picky
ferrets..

any suggestions?


-Steve tietze

owner of Smokey + Bear.
From: smt2626@hertz.njit.edu (sylvia m tou mfen stnt)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: ferret dorctors & ultrasound, untltraltrasound
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:50:03 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


For those interested, I was told that University of Florida vetinarian (sp?)
school is offereing free ultrsound for ferrets for research in adrenal(sp?)
gland problems and tumors.  I have already had one of my ferrets have an
ultrasound and it was EXPENSIVE!! (and I mean mega-bucks).  So if you are
in need of having an untrasound done, depending on where you live, you might
want to consider this.  A person to call for more information is the
West End Animal Hospital in Newberry, FL. at (904) 332-4357.
Dr. Deborah Kemmerer would know if not the receptionist.  For anyone with 
a ferret in that area (Newberry), I strongly would recommend her.  Her 
specialty is ferrets.  She's excellent, 
experience and inexpensive.  I live in New Jersey and for major problems
(anything more than shots) I take my ferrets down to Fl.  This may seem
rather excessive but the vets I have experienced in NJ are not very
knowledgeable about ferrets.  I have also taken them to the so called famous
NYC Animal Medical Clinic.  While these people were knowledgeable; they were
not experienced and were VERY EXPENSIVE (I have an insulinoma operation 
done of one of my ferrets, Animal Medical Hopsital said $500 +, 
Dr. Kemmerer said that price was ridiculous since she does it for $250 which
included an  exploratory for complications associated with insulinoma.  
such as adrenal (sp?) tumors).  Someone else that Dr. Kemmerer recommended
since I have another ferret showing signs of insulinoma is
Dr. Tom Kawasaki at Old Bridge Vetinarian Hospital in VA (703)494-0094
(this is suppose to be 30 minutes away from DC and a lot close to NJ than FL)). 
 I am going down there next weekend.  For those interested in how I feel 
about him after this trip, let  me know.