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From: cew@netcom.com (Clayton Weimer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: PDA's vs Pen Computers (what's the difference?)
Summary: What is the difference between the PDA and Pen computer visions?
Keywords: pen, pda, newton
Date: 25 Jul 92 05:54:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

This discussion about naming a group PDAs or Newton has me wondering
if any of you can answer a simple question.  What is the difference
between PDA's and Pen computers?  Surely, those who've been
working in the Pen area for the last few years realize that the beauty
of the pen 'n paper metaphor is that it scales quite easily from the
itty bitty handhelds, to whiteboard size computers.    PDA's (an
Apple term) is nothing more than a branch of this vision.   

This discussion with quotes such as "I think the Newton will stay as the 
most popular PDA due to company name recognition.", and such naive
articles such as the one in Byte this month discussing how neat it was
Newton could recognize circle gestures and pretty them up, shows a 
serious misunderstanding of where the technology is today, and where it
is headed, IMHO.

-- 
-- Clay             
                    These views are my own, and when they change my
                    observers will be notified.
   Obvion     
   cew@netcom.com
   off  408-227-1319
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: bey@newton.apple.com (Christopher Bey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Apple Newton Development
Date: 17 Jul 92 06:27:44 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

Recently, there have been questions in this newsgroup regarding
Apple support for Newton Development. The Newton platform will
definitely be open to developers, and Apple will encourage and
facilitate Newton development! 

At this time, there is little information available to developers
since only the Newton technology has been introduced, not a particular
product. An AppleLink mail address has been established through which 
prospective developers can contact the Newton group regarding their
interest in developing hardware and/or software products for the Newton
platform. This mechanism is being used primarily right now to collect,
review, and categorize the interest in Newton development so that we can
plan on how to best support Newton developers.

If you are interested in Newton development, please use this address 
to reach the Newton group:

   AppleLink: NEWTON.DEVS
   Internet: newton.devs@applelink.apple.com

Again, I don't think you'll get much info from Apple at this time, but
stay tuned ... there's definitely more to come.

Christopher
From: Greg_Hullender@GO.COM
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Re: PDA's vs Pen Computers (what's the difference?)
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:40:05 GMT

>A "PDA" is a Public Display of Affection, that is, two humans of different
>genders holding hands, kissing, or displaying other forms of affection in
>public, such as a high school campus.  A PDA is punishable by the usual range
>of minor sanctions.  PDA-like demonstrations by humans of the same gender are
>generally treated not as PDAs (nor given correspondingly light punishments),
>but rather as crimes against the state.

I protest the use of this newsgroup as a forum for anti-homosexual bigotry.
Those of us who are gay, lesbian, or bisexual should be able to participate in
the discussions here without having to deal with attacks like this.
From: irace@lanai.keck.hawaii.edu (Will Irace (jnr))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Re: PDA's vs Pen Computers (what's the difference?)
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:43:43 GMT
Reply-To: irace@lanai.keck.hawaii.edu
Organization: W. M. Keck Observatory (CARA), Kamuela, HI, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

In article <352@asylum.UUCP>, Greg_Hullender@GO.COM writes...

>>of minor sanctions.  PDA-like demonstrations by humans of the same gender are
>>generally treated not as PDAs (nor given correspondingly light punishments),
>>but rather as crimes against the state.
> 
>I protest the use of this newsgroup as a forum for anti-homosexual bigotry.
>Those of us who are gay, lesbian, or bisexual should be able to participate in
>the discussions here without having to deal with attacks like this.

Wow. I have to say that I didn't perceive this as an attack on 
homosexuals but rather a satirical comment on the sorry state 
of affairs that exists on our nation and around the world with respect 
to equality for homosexuals. Is it not true (amazingly enough) that
sexual activity between people of the same gender is forbidden by law?

I do not believe that the above section of that posting was intended 
to be in any way malicious (but don't mistake me for its author).

If this becomes a drawn-out flamewar, can we consider moving it
to somewhere more appropriate (although this group can occasionally 
use the extra content :-) ) ?

--Will                        #include stddisclaimer.h
irace@kaula.keck.hawaii.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: perry@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: RFD: alt.sys.newton (though it should be comp.)
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:52:43 GMT

Hello :
	I would like to add my further support to the Newton newsgroup
being formed.  I do think Newton will be the name Apple keeps (One,
the toy/machine is being called that so much already - Two, can you
think of a more catchy name for the public?).  Also, I think with the
type of forums being held under the Newton newsgroup, a comp.sys.newton
would be most appropriate.  I am sure other PDAs will come down the pike, 
and in that case, a comp.sys.pda would be appropriate, however unless
Apple REALLY bungles it, I think the Newton will stay as the most popular
PDA due to company name recognition.  Or in short, I do not think
the newsgroup comp.sys.newton will be short lived.
	However, all in all, I will be happy when this newsgroup gets
formed, no-matter what the name.
- BPG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: kannan@ardor.enet.dec.com (Nari Kannan)
Subject: Magazines dealing with Pen-based systems....
Reply-To: kannan@ardor.enet.dec.com (Nari Kannan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:16:20 GMT

Hi!

I have pointers to the following magazines that deal with pen-based computing.
      1. Pen Magazine
      2. Pen-based computing
      3. Pen Top magazine
      4. Pen Computer Report

I would appreciate hearing from this newsgroup, what people think of
each of these magazines. Is there any one that's a leading one like Byte or
PCmag for PC's? If publishers of these are reading this message, could you
please 
describe what these magazines deal with (I think no.4 is like a business
newsletter
than a magazine.

Thanks
Nari
From: imdat@imdatki.toppoint.de (Imdat Solak)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Re: MOMENTA?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 22:24:29 MED
Distribution: world               
Organization: Fidel & Co., Inc, Plaza del Cuba Libre 1, Habanna

gernot@john.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Gernot Starke) writes:

> Hi Netlanders,
> 
> I heard rumours of MOMENTA Germany not existing any longer....
> 
> any details known or is it just speculation?
> 
> (At least they don't answer the phone!!)
> 
> Thanx,
> Gernot
For what I read in the newest issue of the german computer magazine 'CHiP'
MOMENTA has right now problems with the marketing and ... finances. I suppose
this is true for MOMENTA, Inc. and also for MOMENTA Germany. The guys at
MOMENTA, Inc. do answer the phone, at least they did last week.
But it looks like, momenta is going out of business...


fgrussf -- im.dat
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: sirota#m#_alex@msgate.corp.apple.com (Alex Sirota)
Subject: Re: Apple Newton Development
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:35:38 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.
Followup-To: comp.sys.pen

> In article <NROBINSO.92Jul2230821@active.UVic.CA> (comp.sys.pen), nrobinso@sirius.UVic.CA (Neil  Robinson) writes:
> |     So my question to the net is: has anyone heard anything better
> | about development on the Newton?  Apple is licensing the technology to
> | other companies, including Sharp.  Should I talk to them, or should I
> | wait for HP to come out with a Newton-like beast of their own?
> | 


Look into Dylan the DYnamic LANguage that Newton uses for starters. You can
get a manual if you present yourself nicely thru
dylan-manual-request@cambridge.apple.com


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: jhc@iris.uucp (James H. Coombs)
Subject: Re: PDA's vs Pen Computers (what's the difference?)
Keywords: pen, pda, newton
Reply-To: jhc@iris.UUCP (James H. Coombs)
Organization: IRIS - Brown University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:36:16 GMT

In article <ffjmp7g.cew@netcom.com> cew@netcom.com (Clayton Weimer) writes:

>This discussion about naming a group PDAs or Newton has me wondering

What is a PDA?

>This discussion with quotes such as "I think the Newton will stay as the 
>most popular PDA due to company name recognition.", and such naive

Has Newton been released?  If not, how could it "stay...popular"?

>articles such as the one in Byte this month discussing how neat it was
>Newton could recognize circle gestures and pretty them up, shows a 

I saw circle recognition at least 1 1/2 years ago in PenPoint.
Praising Newton for circle recognition would be like praising Microsoft
Word for word wrapping.

>serious misunderstanding of where the technology is today, and where it
>is headed, IMHO.

Ok, where is it headed?  I agree that geometric shape recognition would
not be important to me, but I would like to hear what you consider
fundamental to the technology and its future.

--Jim
From: gr1c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Greg Howard Rhodes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
Subject: Re: PDA's vs Pen Computers (what's the difference?)
Date: 29 Jul 92 03:13:37 GMT
Organization: Junior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.pen: 28-Jul-92 Re: PDA's vs Pen Computers
.. by Greg_Hullender@GO.COM 
>  
> >A "PDA" is a Public Display of Affection, that is, two humans of different
> >genders holding hands, kissing, or displaying other forms of affection in
> >public, such as a high school campus.  A PDA is punishable by the
usual range
>  
> >of minor sanctions.  PDA-like demonstrations by humans of the same
gender are
>  
> >generally treated not as PDAs (nor given correspondingly light punishments),
> >but rather as crimes against the state.
>  
> I protest the use of this newsgroup as a forum for anti-homosexual bigotry.
> Those of us who are gay, lesbian, or bisexual should be able to
participate in
>  
> the discussions here without having to deal with attacks like this.

I know that this really doesn't belong here, but that simply was not 
"anti-homosexual bigotry." If anything, it reminded me how much our
society is anti-homosexual with laws against people of the same sex
kissing in public. 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: gernot@john.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Gernot Starke)
Subject: MOMENTA?
Summary: Anyone heard of MOMENTA recently?
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:13:38 GMT

Hi Netlanders,

I heard rumours of MOMENTA Germany not existing any longer....

any details known or is it just speculation?

(At least they don't answer the phone!!)

Thanx,
Gernot

Newsgroups: comp.sys.pen
From: david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us (David Schachter)
Subject: Re: PDA's vs Pen Computers (what's the difference?)
Organization: Greenwire Consulting
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 04:50:45 GMT
Keywords: pen, pda, newton

jhc@iris.UUCP (James H. Coombs) writes:
>What is a PDA?

A "PDA" is a Public Display of Affection, that is, two humans of different
genders holding hands, kissing, or displaying other forms of affection in
public, such as a high school campus.  A PDA is punishable by the usual range
of minor sanctions.  PDA-like demonstrations by humans of the same gender are
generally treated not as PDAs (nor given correspondingly light punishments),
but rather as crimes against the state.

I'm sure Clayton will correct me, as I'm making most of this up.  An alter-
native explanation is that I have Froot Loops for brains.  Here's another try:

PDA (Potential Deliverable from Apple): A marketing effort to prevent loss of
market share by sowing Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.  This is done by hyping
vapor while your competitors are shipping products.  See also: Trilogy, FUD,
Osborne.

Froot Loops in the cranium, remember; I warned you.  Would you believe "Par-
ticle Detector, Absolute?"  How about "Piecewise Derivative Analysis?"  No?
How about "Parrot Detonates Atomics?"  "PNAMBIC Demo Again?"  "Parsimonius
Delicatessen Anchovies?"     Never mind.
-- 
                                               David Schachter
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| internet:    david@llustig.palo-alto.ca.us
| uucp:        ...!{mips,decwrl,sgi}!llustig!david
Newsgroups: comp.sys.encore,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.servers
From: loverso@osf.org (John Robert LoVerso)
Subject: Re: Hardware flow control with Annex Terminal Server and Telebit modems
Keywords: RTS/CTS, modem, terminal server, telebit, annex
Organization: OSF Research Institute, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 18:46:25 GMT

Older Annexes (Annex-I and Annex-II) only have 2 control lines - one input
and one output.  These are under software control and can be configured as
either DTR/DCD or RTS/CTS.  If you use the settings you suggest:

|> 	set port control_lines flow_control
|> 	set port input_flow_control eia
|> 	set port output_flow_control eia

then the line that was previously "DTR" becomes "CTS", etc.  This means you
need to make sure the port is wired correctly.  And, you can no longer use
DTR/DCD for modem control.

One of the Annex-II variants (Annex-IIa) included a new daughter card that
had 2 pairs of control lines.  This was done by using a non-standard champ
(aka telco) 50-pin cable, where a single GND was shared amoung all 8 ports.
On these Annex-IIa, there is a new value "both" for "control_lines" that
lets you enable DTR/DCD and CTS/RTS simultaneously.  This totally removes
the case where the the DTR line is shared with CTS.

Encore only built Annex-Is and "old" Annex-IIs.  However, Xylogics did (does?)
supply the Annex-IIa to Encore with Encore-markings, so you can't go by
that.  Just look at the "stats" output.

Cables used by the IIa are not compatible with other Annex-IIs.

The Annex-3 only has 6 ports per champ connector, so it has always had
both sets of control lines (and it has DSR, to boot).  One of the micro-
Annexes probably has "full" modem control, too.

I have all my Worldblazers on an Annex-3 and run with control_lines == both.

John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.encore,comp.unix.admin,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.servers
From: ehrlich@colossus.cs.psu.edu (Dan Ehrlich)
Subject: Hardware flow control with Annex Terminal Server and Telebit modems
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: RTS/CTS, modem, terminal server, telebit, annex
Organization: Computer Science Department, Penn State University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:55:50 GMT

We have a few Annex terminal servers.  Some say Encore on the front, the
others say Xylogics.  We would like to connect a rack of Telebit T3000s
to the annex and use RTS/CTS (hardware) flow control so we can run the
DTE speed flat out.  The Annex hardware manual indicates that the only
control signal from the modem to the Annex is DCD, and that the only
signal from the annex to the modem is RTS.  The Annex software admin
guide implies that you can indeed do hardware flow control by setting
the port parameters as follows:

	set port control_lines flow_control
	set port input_flow_control eia
	set port output_flow_control eia

My question is, how in the world can one really do hardware flow control
without having RTS and CTS available?  Has anyone successfully connected
a Telebit T3000 to an Annex terminal server?  If so I would really like
to hear how you did it.  Please reply directly to me via e-mail.

Thanks.
-- 
Dan Ehrlich - Sr. Systems Programmer - Penn State Computer Science
"Universities should be safe havens where ruthless examination of
 realities will not be distorted by the aim to please or inhibited
 by the risk of displeasure." - Kingman Brewster
Newsgroups: comp.sys.encore
From: bailey@Intrepid.mcs.kent.edu (Jeff Bailey)
Subject: Re: More inodes for Multimax System V filesystem
Reply-To: bailey@mcs.kent.edu
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Kent State Univ.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:35:58 GMT

|> ibarrac@kzin.fiu.edu (Carlos A. Ibarra) writes:
|> 
|> >I installed C-news on our Encore Multimax with 14 ns32K processors running
|> >System V R2.4.1. It seems to run pretty fast. The nntpd also runs quite
|> >nicely, giving us much better access times to articles than the previous
|> >news server machine (a Sun 3/80). 
|> 
|> >However, I have found one serious flaw. I can't seem to make a filesystem
|> >with more than 65536 inodes. We have a 400 Mb disk which gets half full and
|> >then runs out of inodes. This is true for System V and BSD type filesystems.
|> >Even for virtual partitions (made of more than one partition) this limit
|> >seems to hold!
|> 
|> >I think there must be some way of circumventing this ridiculous limitation.
|> >Otherwise I will be forced to split the newsgroups into several partitions in
|> >a totally artificial, inefficient and unsatisfactory way.
|> 
|> >Does anyone know how to create a filesystem on this machine running System V
|> >with more than 2^16 inodes.
|>  

I had a similar problem. I believe the limit is on the number of i-nodes
per cylinder group. If you increase the number of cylinder groups you
can get more i-nodes. I have a partition with about 120K i-nodes which
we used for news for a while. This was under Umax 4.2.

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From: rxxgpf@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Greg Farrelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.encore
Subject: Re: More inodes for Multimax System V filesystem
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:25:48 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

ibarrac@kzin.fiu.edu (Carlos A. Ibarra) writes:

>I installed C-news on our Encore Multimax with 14 ns32K processors running
>System V R2.4.1. It seems to run pretty fast. The nntpd also runs quite
>nicely, giving us much better access times to articles than the previous
>news server machine (a Sun 3/80). 

>However, I have found one serious flaw. I can't seem to make a filesystem
>with more than 65536 inodes. We have a 400 Mb disk which gets half full and
>then runs out of inodes. This is true for System V and BSD type filesystems.
>Even for virtual partitions (made of more than one partition) this limit
>seems to hold!

>I think there must be some way of circumventing this ridiculous limitation.
>Otherwise I will be forced to split the newsgroups into several partitions in
>a totally artificial, inefficient and unsatisfactory way.

>Does anyone know how to create a filesystem on this machine running System V
>with more than 2^16 inodes.
 
Join the club. I've been wondering how to get around this and figured that
splitting the news system across several partitions would be close to a 
nightmare of biblical proportions.

My intended solution was to NFS the news spool directory  from a machine which
did handle large amount of inodes. Hopefully, the transfer rates wouldn't
clag out the machine. This leaves all the news control files and programs
on the Encore.


This probably doesn't help you. I'm just letting you know that you are not 
alone!

>-- Carlos Ibarra

see ya.
Greg Farrelly
-- 
Greg Farrelly                                   greg@rmit.edu.au
RMIT Computer Centre.                           Phone:       +61 3 660 3814
& This sig. is brought to you by the letters "V" and "W' and the number 1.&
From: ibarrac@kzin.fiu.edu (Carlos A. Ibarra)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.encore
Subject: More inodes for Multimax System V filesystem
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:46:26 GMT
Organization: Florida International Univ.

I installed C-news on our Encore Multimax with 14 ns32K processors running
System V R2.4.1. It seems to run pretty fast. The nntpd also runs quite
nicely, giving us much better access times to articles than the previous
news server machine (a Sun 3/80). 

However, I have found one serious flaw. I can't seem to make a filesystem
with more than 65536 inodes. We have a 400 Mb disk which gets half full and
then runs out of inodes. This is true for System V and BSD type filesystems.
Even for virtual partitions (made of more than one partition) this limit
seems to hold!

I think there must be some way of circumventing this ridiculous limitation.
Otherwise I will be forced to split the newsgroups into several partitions in
a totally artificial, inefficient and unsatisfactory way.

Does anyone know how to create a filesystem on this machine running System V
with more than 2^16 inodes.

-- Carlos Ibarra
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
From: alex@umbc5.umbc.edu (Alex S. Crain)
Subject: Re: Xinu for the 3b1
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:53:34 GMT

In article <7512@public.BTR.COM> thad@public.BTR.COM (Thaddeus P. Floryan) writes:
>Enclosed is the info on the 7300/3B1/UNIXPC Xinu.  The sources to "XINU"
>itself are NOT at ftp.cs.umb.edu

	They used to be. In any case, I've got them, if anyone is interested.

	I'd like to put them (and some other stuff) up on cis.ohio-state.edu,
but I don't know how. COuld someone in charge over there send me some mail
so that I can do that?

-- 
Anybody who agrees with me deserves what they get.

					Alex Crain
					UMBC Academic Computing Services
From: adw@cci632.cci.com (Allen Williams (co-op))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.3b1
Subject: ODD SYMPTOM FOR 512k BOARD
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:49:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Consoles Incorporated


 Yesterday, I obtained a 512k card and attempted to put it in my 7300. As I
have a fully populated Combo card (1.5 meg), I wired pins 29 and 28 of the
board to VCC to use (virtual) slot 4. 

 Were these the correct pins? I'm sorry to say I didn't do my homework and
look for the correct documents to follow, but if this is incorrect I would
muchly appreciate guidance to the path of correct 7300 hardware modification.

 As of now, when I insert the board in slot 3, the computer refuses to boot,
and not even the fans start to spin. When I take it out, it works OK. If it's
not the pins, as I suspect it is, what could cause this type of thing to occur?
The other two slots are occupied by two combo cards, one 1.5 meg and the other
0.0 meg (No memory).

						Thanks,

                                                              Derrick  
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