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From: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: I am confused
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:48:25 GMT
Reply-To: dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Organization: sgi
NNTP-Posting-Host: tattoo.mti.sgi.com


Either all my friends are ganging up on me trying to sidle me with
a new personality, or I have been missing something.

In the last week, several people have told me that when they think of
my personality/interpersonal-style,  I remind them of Mary Poppins.

Does anyone have any idea:
A) is this a good thing?
B) what it means?


FWA
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney)
Subject: Court finds anti-heterosexual bias illegal
Organization: Home of the @&#^%$* Crimson Tide
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:15:51 GMT

Hi, all -- a friend alerted me to this, and I downloaded it from
NEXIS. Some of you may have seen something similar on Sappho. I
hope you're as pissed as I am....
 
 
            Copyright (c) 1993 The Bureau of National Affairs,
Inc.
 
 
   COURT SUSTAINS JURY  AWARD  ON  BIAS  AGAINST  HETEROSEXUAL
 
 
   A trial judge in Washington, D.C., approves a jury's  award
of $140,000 in favor of the former associate director of nursing
at Howard University Hospital based on her allegation that she
was laid off in retaliation for her complaints of a hostile work
environment created by lesbian co-workers and administrators. The
award  was granted following a four-week trial.
 
    The court holds that the jury had more than sufficient
evidence to conclude that Luethel Tate Green was targeted for
termination because she was a  heterosexual.  She is entitled to
recover, the court says, even if her convictions or suspicions
about her colleagues were mistaken.
 
    The court adds that the jury could find favoritism toward
employees of the same sex or the same sexual inclination, even if
such favoritism did not result in an actual lesbian relationship.
The District of Columbia Human Rights Act would permit a claim of
reprisal if Green had a reasonable good faith belief that such
lesbian-based favoritism existed, that she complained about it,
and was fired in a contrived reduction-in-force because of her
complaints and opposition, according to the court.
 
    The court directs the hospital to reinstate Green in January
1993 to her former job or an equivalent position. A-6
 
Tracey
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Clear and cold (was: kommotion about Krystal and Krispy Kreme (was Re: Bar etiquette))
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:36:38 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.232526.19300@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1993Jan11.223627.4663@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
> >Sim, you are welcome to shoot large holes in my amateur meteorology.
> 
> Isn't that "poke large holes..." ?

Poke, shoot... Sim is welcome to do whatever he likes.
From: wolfe@wolves.Durham.NC.US (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dissertation on soc.motss (PLEASE READ)
Summary: There is NO CABAL
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:58:59 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den


Oh Dear!
	I've just read the "prospectus" for the research, and
Grandmother Kruella is going to be simply furious!

	It looks like someone sent the poor fellow a copy of 
The Protocols of the Elders of MOTSS!  And he takes them seriously!

	There will be an emergency meeting on the 13th.
-- 
G. Wolfe Woodbury @ The Wolves Den, Durham NC	[This site is NOT affiliated  ]
wolfe@wolves.durham.nc.us			[with Duke University! Idiots!]
UUCP: ...!duke!wolves!wolfe      <Standard Disclaimers apply>
    Above All, we celebrate!  --Celebrate the Circle, Statement of Purpose.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 22:14:57 GMT

In article <73239@cup.portal.com> Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) 
writes:
>Jack Hamilton writes:
>>George doesn't qualify as a queen, even though he certainly fulfills
>>criterion #4.
>
>I'd like to know where you get *that* idea, since, as with the
>subject that started this whole thread, you've never met me in
>person *either*.

Whether I've met you in person isn't especially relevant; I've read some of
what you've written. 

Are you saying you don't dress to produce a calculated effect?   I've
certainly gotten the impression that you do. 

>>I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to decide which
>>of #'s 1, 2, and 3 he doesn't fit.

Which ones do you think you don't meet?  

-- 

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: foucault@netcom.com (Howard Arthur Faye)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 04:02:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.011659.29003@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>was there for InterOp? My brother and I decided to go to
>North Beach for dinner. He claimed that the place we parked
>was the only spot in the whole of North Beach, and I'll 
>believe it. Not that it was a particularly good one; he
>had to run the gauntlet up this 45 degree hill, doing
>a right turn into a 3 foot wide alley on two wheels
>applying the break *and* parking break to slow down on
>another 45 degree slope. Only to find that his secret
>"parking space" was half on a sidewalk, half in the 
>alley. I hate driving with my brother -- I have plans
>for a longer life then he does.

This reminds me of a scene from one of the Beach Blanket series
at Club Fugazi. In this one, a character called Calamari Insalata
is mentioned for the whole first act; we don't actually see him.
At the beginning of the second act, Calamari bursts onto the
stage. There is much excitement and relief! A typical 'nona
italiana' cries, "Calamari! Dov'e hai fui?" (she's really a
peasant) and he answers, "Mama! I just found a parking space!"


-- 
Howard Arthur Faye * Panglossian Acres * Box 7 * Littlerock, CA   93543

"To eat, to love, to sing, and to digest; in truth, these are the four
acts in this opera bouffe that we call life, and which vanishes like 
bubbles in a bottle of champagne."     --Gioacchino Rossini
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 6 Jan 93 10:50:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan6.105046.5319
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan5.182841.3455@bradley.bradley.edu> larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton) writes:
>In <1993Jan4.204040.5631@wixer.cactus.org> will@wixer.cactus.org (Bill Staniewicz) writes:
>>I recently went shopping for a new bottle of
>>cologne and was reminded by the variety of choices
>>available. Among those were: Obsession, Drakkar Noir,
>>Stetson, Kouros, and Eternity for Men. 
>>Does anyone have any idea what the most popular
>>may be within the gay community. Is there any special
>>preference? Are the manufacturers aware of this?
>>Perhaps we could have nominations and take a vote.
>>Bill
>>will@wixer.cactus.org
>
>   Cologne seems to be a matter of personal choice.  I wouldn't want
>   to wear a cologne (on those rare occasions when I do) that everyone
>   else wore.
>
>   Several years ago Arimas (sp) was extremely popular, to the point
>   that I became nauseous to that scent.  I'd rather be 'turned on'
>   by a new scent or one that reacts with a person's chemistry to be
>   quite different.
>
>   OK, for votes, I prefer one of 3 depending on mood and situation:
>   Gucci Nobile, Kouros or J.H.L.  with an occasional dash of Cal
>   Klein's Obsession.
>
>   ld


Why not buy a small cube of Patchouli, and just touch it behind the
ears in the morning. No one on earth will recognize it straight off,
and it is very, very mind, and totally 'natural'. It smells vile in
concentrated form.
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
From: tovah@panix.com (Tovah Hollander)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Bob Paris
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:53:36 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

>>This is a quote from _Muscle: confessions of an unlikely
>>bodybuilder_ by Samuel Fussell.

And soon to be a Stephen Sondheim musical, if rumor can be believed,
and if investors stay committed.

-- 
Tovah Hollander
tovah@panix.com -or- tovah@onion.salad.mssm.edu
From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay-bashing (was: Re: Private...)
Date: 6 Jan 93 17:12:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.212416.1206@netcom.com>, solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
> Gays, unlike almost every other persecuted minority, are regularly
> sought out and beaten simply for existing. (e.g. Klansmen might beat
> blacks for getting "out of line", or going into the wrong
> neighborhood, but they don't make a habit of going into black
> neighborhoods to look for blacks to beat; whereas gay-bashers
> routinely go into gay areas to find gays.) We ought to reserve a term
> like "gay-bashing" for these violent crimes.


unfortunately, your assertion regarding willful - senseles violence
against other minoritys just isn't true. This stuff happens all the time.

I agree that using the term gay-bashing to describe verbal harrasment
is a mis-use of the term though.


> This, to me, is much like the way the term "hate crime" as been
> weakened. "Hate crime" is now routinely used to describe things that
> are not crimes at all (e.g. burning a cross on one's own property,
> yelling epithets). This only weakens the term, since it has lost its
> original, literal meaning, i.e. "a crime motivated by hatred".

It seems to me that crime is crime. whether motivated by hate greed
or stupidity, violent crime directed at anyone should be subject 
to punishment.

Now we hear people decrying *Hate-speech-crimes* , a concept that I have
some problem with. If I scream *idiot* ( or worst) at some other
motorist who is driving like they got their license from a cracker jacks
box, is that a hate crime? You can bet that for the moment .. I hate them.
If said motorist is a particular gender of a particular racial background
stereotypicaly consideed the worst drivers on the road here in SF, I'll
probably indulge myself in a flood of racially motivated jokes and
epithets while I'm at it. A flaw in my otherwise sterling character
for sure, but not a crime.

I don't particularly think that the stream of words uttered while an
assailant is beating someone is the crime, the violence is the crime.

Car cruisers hanging out of their windows yelling stuff at people on the 
sidewalk, commit vehicle violations because they endanger the citizenry
and usually are speeding when they do it.  The yelling probably also 
constitutes harrasement in such situations.
It is not a crime to be ignorant, but ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Crime should be met with legal remedys, ignorance should be met with
educational remedys.

LUX ./. owen

--
D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen, owen@autodesk.com
[ EU-PHORIA: A STATE OF WELL BEING ]
Euphoria is my natural state, I do what I enjoy and an abundance 
of all good fortune comes to me for it.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)
Subject: Re: Spahr vs. Presbys
Organization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 05:00:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.130627.28445@pixel.kodak.com> chuck@ssd.kodak.com (Charles S. Collins 726-9461) writes:
>Rochester, N.Y.
>
>Yesterday afternoon (1/10/93) the congregation of the Downtown United
>Presbyterian Church met to decide how to proceed with its call to the
>Reverend Jane Adams Spahr, an openly lesbian pastor from San Francisco.
>The hall was filled to overflowing for the duration of the 3 hour meeting.
>
>By unanimous vote the congregation directed its Session (church board) to
>send a letter of protest to the national General Assembly regarding the
>recent ruling of the GA Permanent Judicial Commission which "set aside"
>their call to Rev. Spahr.  [The PJC ruled that no "self-affirming" gay
>person could be installed to a ministry within the denomination, in 
>accordance with church policy regarding the ordination of homosexual persons.]

According to a friend, the leader of the Cleveland chapter of PLGC
(Presbyterians for Lesbian and Gay Concerns), the ruling was illegal
under church law because the Rev. Spahr was ordained before the church
policy was passed, and at the time the policy was passed it was to apply
only to ordinations after that date.


-- 
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems                      brown@Ncoast.ORG
Cleveland, Ohio, USA

"Life!  Don't talk to me about life!"
From: jns@roissy.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Clear and cold (was: kommotion about Krystal and Krispy Kreme (was Re: Bar etiquette))
Date: 12 Jan 93 23:45:32 GMT
Organization: Militant Homosexual Lobby, Gay Lifestyles, Inc.


Bob Donahue (rdonahue@spdcc.com) wrote:
 
> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>
> > nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> > > Why is moonlight brighter when it's cold out?
> 
> >Another possible explanation (besides the water vapor) is that, other
> >things being equal, clearer nighttime weather is apt to be colder.
> >Cloud cover, and probably suspended water vapor, reduces radiational
> >cooling (the earth radiating away the heat it absorbed from the sun
> >during the day); it cools off more at night when the sky is clear.
> 
> 	You've just explained the greenhouse effect.  :-)
> 
> 	It's all linked --- what it boils down to is, there's
> nothin' for the radiation (IR or visible) to bump into - at
> least not as efficiently as if there were water there.

Enough hand waving -- let's geek.

The absorption profile for water is qutie fascinating,
actually.  At visible wavelenghts, about 400--700 nm, the
absorption is very low, between 10^{-4} to 10^{-3} /cm.
In the near ultraviolet it rises dramatically to a
whopping 10^6 /cm at about 50 nm.  In the near infrared
the rise is less steep, but reaches 10^4 by about
10 microns, and then hovers [with absorption bands]
around 10^3 /cm out to about 10 cm, then drops smoothly to 
10^{-2} /cm at about 10 meters.

Which is to say that in most wavelengths of interest,
the absorption of water is rather high, *except* in
the visible, where it is exceptionally low.  Think 
about why it is that animal vision is in the 'visible'.

And now BBC can can provide us with some solar spectal
information and model the greenhouse effect.

I'd say that scattering by atmospheric water probably
has a large effect, and may be the source of Nelson's
observation, but I don't have the cross-section handy,
nor time to calculate the total scattering, since it's
almost time to fix dinner.

--jns
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 05:29:15 GMT

mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:

>I _never_ imagined a laundry additive was the cure for homosexuality.
>I'm so thrilled to find this out I think I'll go home and cure my
>husband.  How much Shout would it take for a 260-pound Appalachian
>mountain bear?

Now, simmer down. 260 pounds is a lot of bear to cure. Start slow;
make him whisper first, then moan softly.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
	  S7/9 g++l+(+)y++z++/--(++!!!)o+(+)x+a++uv(++)j+
From: an4851@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Bob Paris
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.motss
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:22:23 GMT


This is a quote from _Muscle: confessions of an unlikely
bodybuilder_ by Samuel Fussell.  The author is talking
about posing at bodybuilding contests.

       My routine was dramatic, all right, but not too dramatic.
       The goal is to play by the audience's accepted rules, and
       then to shock them within the form, not venturing outside
       it.  Michelangelo's David and the Farnese Hercules are one
       thing, but, as professional bodybuilder Bob Paris learned,
       The Dying Gaul is quite another.  From the Capitoline
       Museum in Rome to Columbus, Ohio, Paris concluded his 
       posing program with The Dying Gaul at the 1989 Arnold
       Classic.  It was met with an uncomfortable silence and
       angry suspicion, the latter confirmed months later when he
       revealed his marriage to his "husband," male model Rod
       Jackson, and the joy they shared in their "children,"
       two dogs and a Macaw named Barney.

Can anyone familiar with bodybuilding explain what was so scandalous about The Dying Gaul
(I have no idea what it is)?  And is Bob Paris treated as an
outcast in professional bodybuilding since coming out?

Thanks,
mail: hvosti@nike.calpoly.edu (not this service)
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From: vin@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Vincent Cawley)
Subject: Roomie Wanted
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: boulder
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:03:02 GMT

We need a roommate late January.  Your rent would be $270 per month.
Utilities are extra.

The place is a condominium near Table Mesa and right on the 202 bus route.

Your roommates would be two gay men and a dog.

I'll be happy to give you more details if you e-mail me.

vin@alumni.colorado.edu
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Nominations for best Men's cologne
Date: 9 Jan 93 21:57:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan9.215703.10544
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan9.161014.941@uoft02.utoledo.edu> gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear-at-heart) writes:
>Conversation came around as to "what fragrance are you wearing", when we
>all realized, that we were all smelling the SAME fragrance, which NONE of us
>had put on.  We all picked up the scent from one particular man who must have
>poured cologne over his sweater, before giving his goodbye hugs.

Believe it or not, this happened to me with George at a bear hug a few years
ago, when I hugged him goodbye in a friendly way, except that he provided his
own cologne and his own sweater.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: paul@psych.toronto.edu (Paul Hastings)
Subject: Re: Rings (was Re: Wedding bands)
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:23:18 GMT

In article <1993Jan13.092835.508@otago.ac.nz> roger@otago.ac.nz (Roger Grauwmeijer) writes:
>In article <1993Jan12.104507.4928@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>> On the other hand, our friends in Europe seem to confuse matters
>> entirely. I discovered post-cruise that Norweigan men wear wedding
>> rings on their right hands. (Damn!). Most British men don't wear
>> wedding bands at all?
>
>This reminds me of the (local?) trend of gays wearing a ring on their 'pinky'
>finger. Is/was this pretty much universal?

Gwarsh, I know a lot o' engineers 'round these here parts that would be
mighty P.O.ed to hear that there assumption.  Not least of all my darlin'
sister's hubby...
-paul
-- 
Butch Smurf     S6 b++ g l y+ z+ n+ o+ x+ a-u v+ j+
"Our Father makes art in Heaven, Howard be thy name..."

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:11:54 GMT

joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) wrote: 
->French crabs, I've come to decide, are more refined. They perhaps 'taste',

they probably lick instead of biting.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
From: cherokee@cscns.com (Agv'nige Wohali)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Do hard times cause hate?
Keywords: economics, cause, prejudice, sociology
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:30:14 GMT
Organization: Community_News_Service

I'd tend to say yes, hard times DO lead to hate.  Just a couple of weeks
ago, I was driving down Woodmen Road in Colorado Springs, minding my own
business, when two scummy-looking men in a gigantic pickup truck rolled
down their window and hollered, "Hey, ya fuckin' digger!  Go back to the
reservation!"  They laughed and drove off like the maniacs they were.

To those of you unfamiliar with this term, "digger" is a derisive word for
Native American, dating back from the 1800's when Shoshoni tribes living
around here used sticks to dig up tubers for food.  The connotation is
very negative.

This may not have anything to do with homophobia at first glance, but the
point I am trying to make is that it seems that everyone who does not fit
the "moral" majority's vision of the All-American individual is being
subjected to discrimination, especially since the recession hit the
country.  Homosexuals are but one group targeted for hatred; no minority
is safe.

Especially in an open-minded state like Colorado.

Go in peace, friends.

Jim Forsyth
(Agv'nige Wohali)
cherokee@cscns.com
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: EE statements (was: Re: Attention Skiers Boycotting Colorado)
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:04:31 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:
>
>Which reminds me of a humorous paragraph in Ted Morgan's "Literary
>Outlaw," describing how William Burroughs liked to bathe his cats
>in his bathroom. He'd first tie their legs together and, accompanied
>by their screams and howls, give them a good scrub. Visitors used
>to wonder what was with the cat howls coming from the bathroom.
>
>Well, *I* thought it was funny.
>
It was delightful, well worth another read.
However, you could have quoted the paragraph so that we could enjoy the
subtle nuances.
From: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Austin, TX joins Colo. Boycott
Date: 5 Jan 1993 07:19:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



Um... <hand up> 'scuse me.  Atlanta, Georgia has had anti-discrimination
measures that include sexual orientation since Stonewall. I am friends
with the guy who drafted them.

-Ric
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 12 Jan 1993 02:06:21 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1993Jan12.072744.27430@netcom.com> 
cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee) writes:
> Reality Check for those glorifying Stonewall:
>
> The majority of the people on this planet who have sex with others
> of the same gender don't know about Stonewall and most likely
> haven't been majorly affected by it. 

Um, OK, if you're talking about the riot itself.

> In fact, most of what we'd call
> queers on this planet might not identify themselves as such
> because they concieve of sexuality in different terms.

Um, I don't know that it's really up to you or
me to impose our definitions on people who conceive
of sexuality in terms different from ours.

> I am thinking primarily of Asia, which is where most people on this
> planet live, but Latin America also comes to mind, off the top of my head.
> The concept of "gay pride" would be a foreign one, and the idea of
> celebrating some riot at a bar in NYC would seem ridiculous to them.

Yeah, well, I didn't realize that Gay Pride events
were designed to celebrate the "as long as I'm on top
sticking it in I'm not a woman" male sexuality of 
rural Mexico.

> It's important for the US, but let's not get outta hand here.

Yes, let's not.

Arne