HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jbla@giraffe.in-berlin.de (Johannes Blankenstein)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Third Party Waffle News Readers
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 11:40:43 MES
Distribution: world               
Organization: Private MS-DOS Site

Hello,

pbreo@infochi.uu.holonet (Pat Breo) writes:
>
> I am new to Waffle and was wondering if their are any third party news 
> readers that will run inside of Waffle.

there is a news reader for Waffle. Its name is NWREADER. You can order
it from 'mail-server@giraffe.in-berlin.de' by sending the following
command within the mail body:

/GET modem/waffle/nn271.zoo

It is a local newsreader which will normaly run from the DOS command
line. If you use a program like SWAPDOS or SHROOM you can run it from
within Waffle. If you use DOORWAY you can run it via the modem.

        Hannes

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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle,alt.config
From: vince@halcyon.com (Vince Skahan)
Subject: Re: alt.bbs.waffle - Has it been rmgrouped yet?
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service +1 206 382 MAIL (382-6245)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:49:09 GMT

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz writes:
: > Is alt.bbs.waffle dead and buried?
: 
: The good folks using the various gateway products, like Ed Hopper's 
: uuPCB, are relative novices at the Usenet scene, apparently.  More than a 
: few of them are configuring their systems for alt.bbs.waffle, apparently 
: under the mistaken impression that Waffle sysadmins read that group.
: 
: I haven't read it in ages;  the only reason I'm allowing this follow-up 
: is in the hopes some of these persons will see it and re-configure their 
: systems to use comp.bbs.waffle...


um, excuse me...
do you really mean 'allowing' ?

that implies that you do against-common-netiquette things with things
that you do not 'allow'...which (IMHO) nobody has any right to do.

You have the right (again IMHO) to not propagate a.b.w. since it's
your system, but you don't have the right to force your decisions on
others.

[...and yes, I think a.b.w. should'a been rmgroup'd...]

you mean 'the only reason Im responding is...' don't you ?

-- 
          Vince Skahan				vince@halcyon.com (here)
    vince@atc.boeing.com (work)		    vince@victrola.sea.wa.us (home)
		*** Project Management is often an oxymoron ***
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims)
Subject: Re: PCElm 3.01
Keywords: Elm, Mail
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:52:12 GMT

elrond@freeside.com (SysAdmin) writes:

>I *just* got it working.  I like it!  FTP elm4waf.zip from /pub/waffle on
>halcyon.com (they support anon. UUCP, FTP, Fidonet Freq, or direct downloads
>I'll post more infro with Phone #'s etc if needed.


Again, halcyon does NOT support UUCP or Fidonet f'reqs.
From: hho@girtab.usc.edu (** N.T.K.C.D. ***)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle 1.65. and schedules
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:55:28 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

In article <o0eRRB1w164w@cuckoo.egg.com> tomg@cuckoo.egg.com (Grand Master) writes:
>Is anyone else having problems with Waffle 1.65 and the scheduler? I just 
>tried to update from 1.64 to 1.65 and couldn't get my schedules to run. 
>The schedule file looks good as do all the batch files. Connection to 
>uunet is fine when done explicitly. However no CRON.BAT file is created 
>and thus no schedules run.

Yes, I am having the same problem eversince upgrading to Waffle 1.65..
Cron won't run :-(

I event deleted everything and reinstalled..
I am running waffle on 486 on Novell drive, then moved to 286..
Still same problem??

Please help us:-)
Thanks
H.


-- 
*******************************************************************************
Hung P. Ho, Jr. (John)     USC DENTISTRY    PH.SYSTEMS          CCCOGP  
                           hho@usc.edu      hung@phsys.com      hung@cccogp.com
From: chorn@eastwind.mcds.com (Christopher Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: UDFB 1.0
Summary: Usenet Description File Builder 1.0
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 22:38:00 EDT
Reply-To: chorn@eastwind.mcds.com
Organization: The East Wind  +1 201 875 7063


   If anyone is interested, I've just finished a little utility that can
take the usenet control file, and a description file (like the UUNet
newsgroup list, or the active lists posted to news.answers on a monthly
basis), and build the description file for the control file. Handy
if you don't want to keep editing the /waffle/words/usenet and the
/waffle/help/forums/usenet files.

   I've uploaded it to halcyon and it is also available via mail to
mail-server@eastwind.mcds.com with the line /GET waffle/udfb10.zip
I'll probably try to get it hatched into the southern california
uucp file echo on fido in a couple days as well.


 ---
 Christopher Horn           |  "We're all caught in a state of decay..."
 chorn@eastwind.mcds.com    |  The East Wind  +1 201 875 7063
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: if (++moves > 255) logout ("SiN"); ?!?!
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:20:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BvI5Dq.Dop
Organization: Penn State Computer Science

In article <76TZRB1w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
|Waffle and all other BBS programs should be robust enough to recover from
|dropped carrier.  Sure, my modem recovers, but Waffle does not always do
|so.

I find it extremely hard to believe that Waffle is the cause of your
problems, and not your modem.

Have you tried repeating the problem and watching the carrier detect light?
If the CD light goes off and Waffle doesn't say [Carrier Lost], then I would
agree that there's a problem.  However, you haven't said that this happens;
you've said that someone hangs up, which is not necessarily the same thing.

|If Waffle cannot handle these situations reliably, then
|there is a problem with Waffle.  Does anyone disagree with this?  Why?

Waffle relies on your modem to tell it when someone hangs up.  If the modem
doesn't tell Waffle, then how's it supposed to know?

  Bill
From: elrond@freeside.com (SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Multiple modems?
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 92 00:36:05 CDT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

rmyers@dec5200.acs.uci.edu (Richard Myers) writes:

> I want to hang 2000 modems off one waffle box (DOS).

COUGH! SPUTTER!, WHAT!

> Well, maybe not 2000, but certainly more than one.
> Can waffle juggle more than one modem (at once)?

OK, you scared me there for a minute.  Waffle supports multiple line usage
in MessyDOS via multiple static files etc.  It is accomplished by running
multiple copies of Waffle under DESQview, Windows, or some other multi-tasker
Read the DOCS in dos.doc I believe, they explain it rather well.

> If so, how many?

I think memory, and # of serial ports is going to be the first limit
you run into here,

+------------------------------+------------------------+--------------+
|  God is Real...              |   elrond@freeside.com  | Why ask why? |
|     Unless declared integer  |    Stephen L. Palmer   |  (because)   |
+------------------------------+------------------------+--------------+
From: topcat!tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Local board being batched and feed to usenet
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:37:38 GMT
Organization: Applied Presuppositionalism, Ltd.

Under Waffle 1.65 on DOS, I'm trying to feed a Usenet mailing list into a
local board on my system.  I have a line in my aliases file:

  foo     | post foo

In my system\local I have

  DEFAULT /type=LOCAL
  foo     /dir=d:\local\foo   /mod=xxx@yyy

When mail comes in destined for foo, it gets posted OK, but for some reason
it also gets batched up for feed to my local usenet host.  Anyone know why?

Thanks.

--
Tom Albrecht
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Multiple addresses
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 07:34:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.050722.23044@jack.sns.com> steve@jack.sns.com (J. Steven Harrison) writes:
|In article <uw4mRB3w165w@proteus.qc.ca> randall@proteus.qc.ca (Randall Reid) writes:
|>C rmail mcgill-vision!eddie.mit.edu!rutgers!pur-ee!sankar mcgill-vision!
|>  eddie.mit.edu!rutgers!uw-beaver!milton.u.washington.edu!jars mcgill-vision!
|>  eddie.mit.edu!rutgers!uw-beaver!hardy.u.washington.edu!hyan
|
|Ther entry you included is in an endless loop.

Where's the loop?  There are 3 addresses here - pur-ee!sankar,
milton.u.washington.edu!jars, and hardy.u.washinction.edu!hyan .  Unless you
have more knowledge of the network topology in Randall's area than he mentioned
in his post, there's no loop here, just 3 pieces of mail which are following
the same first 3 hops.

  Bill
From: rmyers@dec5200.acs.uci.edu (Richard Myers)
Subject: Multiple modems?
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:29:02 GMT

I want to hang 2000 modems off one waffle box (DOS).
Well, maybe not 2000, but certainly more than one.
Can waffle juggle more than one modem (at once)?
If so, how many?
Thanks,
Kurt
From: herrickd@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Command-line RNEWS / TRUNCATED BATCH
Date: 2 Oct 92 12:46:07 EST
Distribution: usa

In article <FqqsRB3w165w@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US>, steveh@grafex.Cupertino.CA.US (Steve Harding KA6ETB) writes:
> kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle) writes:
> 
>> Well, I'm not on Tom's sales force. Glad that approach works for you,
>> tho.
> 
> Sure you are.  I assume you registered your software.
> 
> Point is...why try to reinvent the wheel?  Tom Dell has done a helluva
> job in creating something that works.  Pass it on to your users.
> 
> Believe me.  In helping new folks set up their waffle iron gives one a
> new perspective on how the software works and helps in tweaking your own
> system.  It also helps in shaking the bush so that those awful bugs become
> apparent to all.

The librarian at some campus of Boston University was offended at something
I posted in misc.entrepreneurs.  We have had an extended correspondence
since.  She is very eager to see the day when everyone has access to "The
Net".

I have connected a small business to the net by putting waffle on their
computer and teaching it to call mine.  There are two other friends
leapfrogging the net out to the east - the more distant one would have
to pay $.70/minute to call my system but the system between us is only
$.04/minute away from him and that system calls mine as a free call.
They are both setting up waffle (the closer system is reasonably
reliable now, the other is not).  I just got off the phone with the
computer guy at that small business after talking him through setting
up an alias for sending e-mail to his daughter at school and sending
the first letter.  My wife is a user.  My pastor has a MAC and we don't
have the shareware uucp software running there yet, but he logs into
my waffle iron and participates.  I've created a mailing list where he
and I and about eight other people argue about theonomy.  That mailing
list has two other local people going to turn their systems into waffle
irons soon and there are some more distant people wanting in (two of
them in the United Kingdom).  There is another guy with a Mac who is
searching out the news software (he has fernmail working).

I have posted maps for all these systems that are running.  I almost
have domain name applications complete for them.

I think I am making useful progress towards that librarian's vision of
the good and the true and the wonderful.  We are getting people who do 
other things connected to the net for those other reasons, here.

And my computer still acts like *my* computer when I am there and want to 
use it.  Let people use your machine.  But encourage them to join the big
world.  Waffle with DOS is a great way to expand horizons.  If you want
local discussion, create a set of local newsgroups and exchange them
among yourselves.

dan
From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle Archive Sites
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 23:41:40 CDT
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253

I remember someone asking if there was a keeper of a list of archive
sites, and I thought I would take up the baton.

First, is anyone doing something like this?

If not, I hope that all you archive sysadmin would fire off a help file
to waffle-archives@ruth.uucp.  I'll put all received files together
with an index and interesting info and so on.


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From: kjhoule@iowegia.uucp (Kevin Houle)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Shroom and Waffle
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 12:24:31 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

system@micromed.com (Duane Davis) writes:

> The problem I've run into is when my new user batch file starts up, or
> if I shell from remote the last thing that's seen is Shroom's swap message.
> Then nothing. The system isn't locked up, just no i/o to the modem.
> 
> I'm using the following command line:
> 
>     shroom -p -s D:\ WAFFLE %1
> 
> Anyone else run into this? 

When Waffle gets swapped to disk, it is no longer there to handle
i/o. I use shroom and specify exactally which applications to swap
Waffle out for...

SHROOM -v -sc:\temp -twafmail.exe,rwmail.exe C:\WAFFLE\BIN\WAFFLE %1

Wafmail uses the fossil for i/o, so it's happy. And rwmail is only
run from the local console, so no i/o is needed.

If you want to be able to shell to DOS using shroom, chances are
you'd need DOORWAY, or something like that.


--
Kevin Houle     kjhoule@iowegia.uucp
From: a-dent@somenode.uucp (Bryan Hannahs)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: if (++moves > 255) logout ("SiN"); ?!?!
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 13:06:43 EDT
Organization: .sdrawkcaB sgnihT gnipyT roF yteicoS ehT

dawson@willard.UUCP writes:

> a-dent@somenode.uucp (Bryan Hannahs) writes:
> 
> > ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:
> > 
> > > dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
> > > 
> > > >Waffle and all other BBS programs should be robust enough to recover fro
> > > >dropped carrier.  Sure, my modem recovers, but Waffle does not always do
> > > >so.  To say that I should rely upon my users to turn off their call-wait
> > > >is a cop-out.  If Waffle cannot handle these situations reliably, then
> > > >there is a problem with Waffle.  Does anyone disagree with this?  Why?
> > > 
> > > After about 60,000 calls, I have never seen this happen.  I'm inclined
> > > to agree with some, that maybe the modem has a bug in the length of time
> > > DTR is being held low.
> 
> This is inaccurately attributed to me.  I never said this last bit.
> Rather, it was ralphs@halcyon.com (Ralph Sims).  Please be more careful
> in your follow-ups.  Thank you.

That's the way the article showed up here. There you go placing blame
again...

---
"Man created God in his own image." - Lazarus Long

Bryan Hannahs      |   a-dent@somenode.uucp    a-dent@bluemoon.use.com
(aka Arthur Dent)  |               bryan@bluemoon.use.com
From: bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us (Bob Kirkpatrick)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Forced un-join?
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:26:39 GMT
Organization: Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA

wendor@eisley.wa.com (Chuck Gladu) writes:

>    THEN they find that the group is no longer in their JOIN file.
> Has anyone else seen this happen?  Is it 'supposed' to work this way?
> Can anyone suggest any way to prevent this short of going back to using 
> /keep instead of expire?
>                   Thanks in advance,
>                   Chuck

Use Chris Winemiller's expire (CWEXP104.ZIP). It has a 'keeper' option
that will always retain at least one message in any group. I've been
using it since he first issued v1.0 and it just gets better with each
new rev level. He has a rev 1.05 in the wings, but I don't know if he
turned it loose yet.


--- 
Bob Kirkpatrick <bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us>
Dog Ear'd Systems of Spokane, WA
From: matthias@oln.zer.de (Matthias Watermann)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Copying news into another newsgroup
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 14:44:40 MET
Reply-To: shlink.hanse.de!oln!matthias
Organization: Oekoline BBS in ComLink/APC-Network, Hannover, FRG

 Hi,

 I'm looking for a way which makes it possible to copy all
 incoming news for some newsgroups into another one.  For
 example:

 News come in 'group.subgroup' and I want it to go additional to
 'prefix.group.subgroup'.

 Can that been done by RNews? What/how have I to set up? Is it
 possible at all?

 Thanks in advance


--
   Matthias
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: Forced un-join?
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:05:05 GMT

In article <airzqAVHBh106h@meteor.brisnet.org.au> rhys@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
|A better solution would be to fix Waffle's newsreader.  It's not too
|difficult to detect when a newsgroup should be "rewound" to pick up new
|articles with low numbers.
|
|	1. If there are no articles in the group at all, rewind it.
|
|	2. If the highest numbered article in the group is n and the number
|	   in the join file is greater than n, rewind the group.

Waffle already does these two.  This is that bug that people keep mentioning =
"I posted an article then cancelled it after reading, and now Waffle reset my
new message pointer!"...

  Bill
From: N. Richard Caldwell <nrc@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Utility to Explode Digests?
Summary: Is there such a thing?
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 06:32:39 GMT
Organization: The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198)

I gate a number of mailing list into local newsgroups at my site.
In order to avoid lots of mail traffic I receive all of these in
digest form.  Unfortunately, these big digests cause users all sorts
of grief when they followup a message.  

I was thinking of doing some kind of utility to explode these
digests into individual messages for posting to the local newsgroup
but first I thought I'd check and see if such a thing already
existed.

"Don't drive too slowly."         Richard Caldwell
                                  The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198)
                                  {n8emr|nstar}!bluemoon!bsbbs!nrc
                                  nrc@bsbbs.Columbus.OH.US
From: herrickd@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (daniel lance herrick)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Utility to Explode Digests?
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:44:20 EST

In article <1o18RB1w165w@cybrspc.UUCP>, roy%cybrspc@cs.umn.edu (Roy M. Silvernail) writes:
> Known shortcomings:  undigest doesn't create Message-IDs, so rnews will
> add one for each article.  It will also generate an error log entry for
> each one.  If someone will pass along the secret to making the
> time-dependant string in a Waffle Message-ID field, I'll fix that.
> 
>              vvvvvvv--- this is the part I want to create.
> Message-ID: <16s5RB3w165w@somenode.uucp>
 
The only thing that is required of message-id's is that they not repeat
more often than once every two years.

if you generate message-id's containing w165w, people will think they
were generated by waffle version 1.65.  Wouldn't you prefer for people
to know that Roy's undigest created this message-id?  You could use
a sequence file to generate a unique message-id each time you need one.

dan
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: if (++moves > 255) logout ("SiN"); ?!?!
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:13:20 GMT
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

a-dent@somenode.uucp (Bryan Hannahs) writes:

> Maybe Waffle doesn't like your system, maybe you've got some other
> software choking it, maybe you've got a bad serial port. But don't blame
> Waffle when it works for 99% of us.

That's an interesting figure.  I'm sure you've done some statistically
valid testing of your own to deterine that "it works for 99% of us."
If Waffle is bum-fuddled by hardware limitations, and that has been pointed
to by various posts to this group (or have you simple MISSED the posts that
have agreed with mine?), then, simply put, Waffle is not robust.  Maybe I've
got a bad serial port.  Maybe I got up on the wrong side of the bed this
morning.

What really gripes my ass is that I made some guesses, not accusations,
as to why certain things were happening, and rather than simple discussion,
I get many suggestions along the same line as yours:  "Don't blame Waffle."
I'm not blaming Waffle; I'm QUESTIONing Waffle, and looking for net
experience with the problem.  Suggestions to "quit blaming Waffle" will
continue to fall on deaf ears in this location, because that is the FIRST
place I look for inadequacies.  Why?  Because my experience has been that
it is more bug-ridden than most other communications utilities that I've
used, excluding (of course!) the other uucp-for-DOS packages, which are
some of the worst software packages since COBOL was invented.

The response to this one post has been somewhat in favor of Waffle, but
there have been posts other than mine that said "Hey, I've seen that
behaviour too.."  I think it bears looking into.  I'm not equipped to do
that.  The author of the software is, and here's hoping that he's equipped
and motivated to make his own programs as bug-free as is humanly possible.

Mostly, or have you also forgotten, the thread was started by my question
on an undocumented, hard-coded limitation, i.e., the "turn" and it's limit
of 255 per session.  I'm much more bothered by this than I am the occasional
(read:  rare) tty line reset screw-up that we wound up discussing.

> 
> ---
> "Man created God in his own image." - Lazarus Long
> 
> Bryan Hannahs      |   a-dent@somenode.uucp    a-dent@bluemoon.use.com
> (aka Arthur Dent)  |               bryan@bluemoon.use.com


-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814