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From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Subject: Re: Russia goes forward with submarine sale to Iran
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:59:39 GMT

mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi) writes:


>	WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The administration expressed its disappointment
>Friday that Russia has gone forward with its sale of a deisel-powered
>submarine to Iran.
. . . 

>	But the submarines, equipped with six tubes for launching torpedoes
>or laying mines, will certainly add punch to Teheran's claim over the
						~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>strategically located island of Abu Musa. Iran could also use the
>submarines to disrupt tanker traffic in the Gulf, where one-fifth of the
>world's oil originates.
>	Abu Musa is located nearly in the middle of the Straits of Hormuz,
>the narrow passageway through which oil tankers sail in and out of the
>Gulf.
>	Both Iran and the United Arab Emirates claim the island.
>	Eagleburger said in New York two weeks ago that, ``I don't think
>there is any question that the issue could become very serious if the
>Iranians were to resort to force'' to defend their territorial
>assertion.
					 	    ~~~~~~~~~~~
>	Boucher said Teheran and Abu Dhabi should ``settle it peacefully.''
~~~~~~~~~~~~

Isn't it obvious who is behind the whole dispute.
Why does Arabs let Americans to use them to advance their objectives
Last time Iran gave away Bahrain.  Americans turned Bahrain to their
military base.  Who has more claim over Bahrain Iran or U.S.
Why did we leave behind Iranians in Bahrain to be subjected to
all kinds of discrimination.


Who has the right over Abu Musa Iran or Americans?
Abu Musa has been a part of Iran for centuries. Portugese (sp?)
first took it away at the time of Safavids then British had it for years.
If Arab inhabitants are the excuse then Khoozestaan should also
be calimed by Arab states.

Ala
From: me12@prism.gatech.EDU (Ziba Derafshi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Use of Foul Language
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:12:18 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I don't intend to start flames, but there seems to be a new trend 
in our newsgroup.

Reading the recent postings in response to Mahin, Naghmeh and some other 
female readers of this newsgroup, I was just wondering why we always attack 
their personal lives. 

Let me make one thing clear. I don't know any of the aforementioned people
in person. I do not support most of their arguments. Nevertheless I found it
quite disgusting to suggest that somebody's writtings are a result of 
that person's sexual problems. Even if that's true, it is true for both sexes.


Isn't it time to be fair to everybody?


It seems that most of us are still thinking, talking and behaving as if 
we are living in caves. I wonder if the mere suggestion that 
Mahin or anybody else is in need of sex is compatible with  most of 
our cultural/religious values. 

As far as I remember, you just don't walk to someone and suggest that 
going to bed with a man is going to solve their problems, no matter how
you think of that person's values or behavior.
Frankly, I expected a lot better arguments against Mahin.
Using this line of personal attacks only attracts more sympathy for her.

And please don't tell me guys that you are doing this for the love of 
God. The Prophet and our Imams never approved of the use of foul 
language against their opposition. Clearly we cannot be as high as they 
are. But the least we can do is to stop ourselves from drowning in dirt.

Am I alone in thinking this way?

Reza Ebrahimpour

 
-- 
EBRAHIMPOUR,MOHAMMAD REZA
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: trick trivia   :-)   (Summary of responses)
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:47:32 GMT
Organization: UB

In article sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes:
>
>I have a Farsi-to-Farsi dictionary ( Loghat Nameh ) at home and I will
>look it up later on today ....
>

I looked it up, and I guess my dictionary is not a complete one cus I
couldn't find anything.

Ramin
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi)
Subject: Re: Iran J's in Jail Paper banned
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:11:28 GMT

>I have not seen the cartoon, but reading a recent LA Times article 
>iscussed this incident, it was mentioned that Farad published a cartoon showing
>a soccer match between Independence (Esteglal, former TAAJ) and Victory (Pirrozi,
>former Persepolis) and Khomeini was a player (or referee  ??) on the field.  His
>right arm was dripping with something which the paper suggested can be
>interpreted by the reader as blood. THis led to banning the magazine and setting
>their offices on fire.

I saw the cartoon when I was in Iran, and that's not how it looked.
It was a  single drawing of a bearded man  who did look like Khomeini, wearing 
a soccer uniform with a ball under his foot.
Now either the players of the two teams had gone home  and the blood wiped off
when I saw the cartoon, or LA Times is wrong.
Also there was no relevant article refering to it in that page.
To my  knowledge, their offices had only been shut down, not set on fire.


naghmeh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic
From: saied@cwis.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Subject: Re: Israel and Khomeini regimes (was Re: Hekmatyar....)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:56:44 GMT

abbasa@ul.ie writes:
>In a her bid to cover up her realtions with Israel and her maters, MKO(
>an anti-Iran organisation mostly comprised of non-moslems factions, like 
>Bahais, and financed by Saddam, CIA, and Musad) is desperately trying to 
>fabricate some sort of link between Islamic Iran and Israel. But I doubt
>that these kind of tricks will help her a lot. 

It is not "her" bit to cover up "her" relations with Israel, but
its an overwhelming number of existing documents that are proofs
of the Khomeini regime's deals with the Israel. How long you fools
want to keep your head under snow?

(A couple of weeks ago, the ABC's Nightline even played parts of
a conversation between an Israeli agent and a representative of
the Khomeini regime during arm deals in Tehran.)

Also, since you seem to know of "her" relations with Israel and
financial support for "her" from Saddam, CIA, and Musad, why do
not you present one (i.e., "vahed" since you know Arabic better)
authentic document to support your claim. Note that I am not
asking for proof of "her" being mostly non-Muslims and Baha'i.

[rest of garbage deleted]

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Statistics on recent Censore in Iran
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:43:22 GMT

yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:

>This is according to Peyk TV (IRI sponcered)
>
>The average age in Iran is 21.7
>33% of people at the age of marriage has not married.

What is the "age of mariage"? If the article is referring to 15 for
men (boys?) and 9 for women (girls?), then I am not surprized by this
number. Otherwise, what is the "age of marriage"? 20? 25? 30? 35?
Should *I* be worried? Hurried? :-)  :-)

Thanks for the post.

>Ala

    --mack

--
You never give your heart to a stranger, or tell your secrets to a friend.
You'll put your heart in mortal danger.  They all desert you in the end.
The more you live, the more you love ...         --A Flock of Seagulls
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA)
Subject: Re: Hijab (again)
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:32:20 GMT

In article <Bv19Hy.GAz@acsu.buffalo.edu>, sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.) writes...
>In article <Bv0L92.86s@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>>well like i said, i don't know the iranian way of doing things, well, it's
>>not completely that way there is a lot of persian influence on pakistani
>>culture, but that is besides the point (ahem).
>
>Zafar,
>
>If you don't know about our culture, I ( and I know many others on this net )
>would appreciate to see no more of your opinions on OUR culture. Just
>because **Unfortunately** Iran happens to be an Islamic country does not
>mean that you or any other muslim , e.g. Arabs , have the right to post
>your misinformative-noidea-way-out-of-truth-and-reality opinions on Iran
>and Iranian.
>
>Have a good life.
>Ramin
>
>***********************************************************
>* "God Come down , If you are really there. Well, You're  *
>*  the one who claims to care ....   "   The Mozzerman    *
>***********************************************************

Dear Ramin;
I think Zafar knows more about our culture than most of our own Iranian
people. We just don't like the guy because he is muslim. I'm glad you
were a little fair and didn't accuse him of being Hezbolahi or Akhone.
**Fortunately** Iran is an Islamic country and any muslim has the
right to express their opinion about it.


Sincerely yours

Ali Eslami


 ***************************************************************         
 *  What we call the ills of life is due to our own ill-deeds  *
 *  And many of them are forgiven by god. This life is a stage *
 *  of convenience; Live true and resist all wrong, but learn  *
 *  the best way to do it so. On god rely; else no protector   *
 *  will you find. God revelation comes as a guide and mercy:  *
 *  It shows the straight way the way of god all-wise.         *
 *************************************************************** 

Internet = Ali@utrc.utc.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Physics-1A Question
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 07:53:34 GMT
Organization: Experimental Physics

After reading few articles about late ostAd Hessabi, I got encouraged to
ask an elementary physics question.  Although it does not directly have
anything to do with s.c.iranian, but I thought with our resident physics
major netters perhaps it could spark a new tread - a scientific one.

Water boils at temperature of 100 degrees C (or 212 degrees F).  Can we
prove it?  If yes, how?

Perhaps I should have asked can we prove the concept of temperature as an
absolute property of matter?

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056





Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: samiri@encore.com (Soheila Amiri)
Subject: Re: Iranian Women Names After Marriage
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:05:04 GMT
Keywords: Family names of women

bashir@acsu.buffalo.edu (Noushin Bashir) writes:

>In article <1992Oct2.132604.3224@philabs.philips.com> mmm@philabs.philips.com (Mehran Moshfeghi) writes:
>>
>>I have a bet with a friend at work over this issue. We want to know
>>whether in the last fifty years or so women in Iran have kept their own
>>family names after getting married, or have they changed their names to
>>that of their husbands.

>From my limited past experience and having a working mother, it
>appears that married women at work use their own last names, whereas
>outside of work they're known by their husbands' name. One funny thing
>I have sensed here though is that the American women I have known who
>got married seemed proud and eager to take their spouse's last names.
>I have no idea why. Maybe it brings them a sense of establishment or
>something. 

From what I remember, generally speaking, in all legal documents the
Iranian women carry their maiden name, i.e., passport, bank accounts,
etc.  In a few cases I have seen married women changing their names
to that of their husbands with their maiden name hyphanated in the
middle.

Soheila

>					Cheerio,
>					Noushin
>-- 
>I wake up scared, I wake up strange, I wake up wondering if anything
>in my life is ever going to change. I wake up scared, I wake up
>strange, and everything around me stays the same.
>                                                         - Barenaked Ladies
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Re: Babak Meeeeeeeeeeeewees again!
Keywords: Bull Shit!
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:09:16 GMT

In article <cow.718045687@vincent2.iastate.edu> cow@isi.edu (Master Cow) writes:
>
[stuff deleted]

>Meeeeeeew  Babak,
>
>Did your mother beat your father again?  What is it that you have against
>women, espcialy persian women?  Hah?  
>
>You don't deserve to be a cow!  As of now,  you are fired from the COW
>society!  May all cow and claves dump their load on you!!
>
>Master cow!  MeeeeeeeeeeeeeeWeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


This reminds me of a joke I heard once. It's so stupid that it's funny (I think)

Q: What did the bull say to the cow with big udders?
A: Honest! I like you for your intelligence!


sincerely

zafar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: babak@cpre1.ee.iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: Abu-Musa and "THE GULF: Britain's days of empire"
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 04:32:09 GMT

In <1992Oct6.020928.9562@news.acns.nwu.edu> payman@nwu.edu (Payman Parastaran) writes:


>In <sehari.718331733@vincent2.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
>writes:

>>Note:  IPS, is also known as Iraq Propaganda Service.  One quick linguistic
>>analysis of following "news report", revels the person who wrote the article
>>has arabic or Persian native language. Repeated mistakes includes:
>>
>>            - Not capitalizing the beginning of sentences.

>Did you consider that perhaps the text of the article was all in
>uppercase characters, and that for ease of reading, they were converted
>to lowercase?   I seriously doubt that someone who knew enough English to
>write such an article didn't know that he had to capitalize the first
>word in every sentence!

>>            - Sentences are too long for English style, more compatible
>>              with arabic or Persian styles.

>I didn't think so.

>>            - Each paragraph contains only one sentence!  This a known
>>              Arabic or Persian style.  No English style supports
>>              this style.

>This could be due to reformatting.  You're jumping to conclusions here.

>I read the article and it sounded like hundreds of other news stories written
>by a native English speaker.  Regardless of whether this article was
>written by a native Persian or Arabic speaker or not, I don't think you
>could make this inference solely on your "linguistic analysis".

>-Payman

I just want to warn other people that not all the news in the news wires
are true.  I also received the article last weak, but decided not to post
it.  Even if you run a spell check on the text of the news you will find
many errors.  Not to mention grammatical errors, incorrect use of punctuation.
No credible news service would hire a reporter, whose job is to write, 
that does not know how to write.  This is my believe that this news was 
planted to steer the controversy over the Iranian Island of Abu-mosa.  Not
even once, in this "news report" Persian gulf is been mentioned by it's
complete name, always as you could see it has been called "the gulf". This
is the way most Arabic news media usually call the Persian gulf.

Any "news reports" is somewhat biased, but this one is just out right 
propaganda.  As you can see, it has been called "Analysis".  Newswires do
not "analysis", they just report the news.  Analysis is what you get from
a newspaper or magazines, with known political ideology.

Anyway, this is my opinion. I just wanted to share it with others.  One
might have another opinion about this, that fine too.

                            With highest regards,
                                 Babak   sehari.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:36:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.135048.18308@Princeton.EDU> bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi) writes:
>In article <ld22tlINNrff@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>>but seriously, here's another puzzler thats sure to keep our 
>>physicists phizzing:
>>
>>there are three doors.  behind one of the doors is a prize. 
>>
>>you choose a door randomly, say door # 1.  (but dont open it).
>>
>>i open one of the other two doors, say door #2, and show you that 
>>there is no prize behind it.
>>
>>at this point, i give you the choice of changing your mind
>>and picking another door (#3), or staying with your original
>>choice (#1).  
>>
>>question: should you change your mind (pick #3) or stick with your
>>original choice (#1) ?
>>
>>oh yeah... why?
>>
>>hint: dump intuition, side with logic, and the answer
>>shall, ahem, materialize!
>>
>>
>>(for those who know the answer/reason, dont spoil it!)
>
>you pick #3, because the probability for the prize to be there
>is %66 vs %33 for door #1.
>
>behzad

Wrong! "Given that #2 is empty", #1 and #3 are again equiprobable, and this is
consistent with intuition, because your first choice (of #1) doesn't affect
anything. For a simple proof of this, consider x1,x2,x3 as three random 
variables representing the state of the doors. x1=0 means no prize behind
door #1, x1=1 means there is a prize behind door #1, and so on. Obviously
x1+x2+x3=1. Now P(x1=1,x3=0 | x2=0)=P(x1=1,x2=0,x3=0)/P(x2=0). P(x2=0) is
the "apriori" probability, therefore P(x2=0)=1-P(x2=1)=2/3
P(x1=1,x2=0,x3=0)=P(x1=1) because x1+x2+x3=1, therefore it equals 1/3.
So the final "conditional" probability is equal to (1/3)/(2/3)=1/2, which
is the desired result.
However there is a good probability that shahrokh is just joking. I tell you,
this man can't ever be serious. It's an advantage you know, whenever you fail,
you say that it was a joke!

>
>p.s. okay, where is my prize?
>

Your prize is a golden passe-gardani which will be given to you in MehrAbAd
airport.

Seyyed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:40:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.163641.3227@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.135048.18308@Princeton.EDU> bsadeghi@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Behzad Sadeghi) writes:
>>In article <ld22tlINNrff@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>>>but seriously, here's another puzzler thats sure to keep our 
>>>physicists phizzing:
>>>
>>>there are three doors.  behind one of the doors is a prize. 
>>>
>>>you choose a door randomly, say door # 1.  (but dont open it).
>>>
>>>i open one of the other two doors, say door #2, and show you that 
>>>there is no prize behind it.
>>>
>>>at this point, i give you the choice of changing your mind
>>>and picking another door (#3), or staying with your original
>>>choice (#1).  
>>>
>>>question: should you change your mind (pick #3) or stick with your
>>>original choice (#1) ?
>>>
>>>oh yeah... why?
>>>
>>>hint: dump intuition, side with logic, and the answer
>>>shall, ahem, materialize!
>>>
>>>
>>>(for those who know the answer/reason, dont spoil it!)
>>
>>you pick #3, because the probability for the prize to be there
>>is %66 vs %33 for door #1.
>>
>>behzad
>
>Wrong! "Given that #2 is empty", #1 and #3 are again equiprobable, and this is
>consistent with intuition, because your first choice (of #1) doesn't affect
>anything. For a simple proof of this, consider x1,x2,x3 as three random 
>variables representing the state of the doors. x1=0 means no prize behind
>door #1, x1=1 means there is a prize behind door #1, and so on. Obviously
>x1+x2+x3=1. Now P(x1=1,x3=0 | x2=0)=P(x1=1,x2=0,x3=0)/P(x2=0). P(x2=0) is
>the "apriori" probability, therefore P(x2=0)=1-P(x2=1)=2/3
>P(x1=1,x2=0,x3=0)=P(x1=1) because x1+x2+x3=1, therefore it equals 1/3.
>So the final "conditional" probability is equal to (1/3)/(2/3)=1/2, which
>is the desired result.

unfortunately seyyed, your probability theory "be darde ammat meekhoreh".
in your ingenious derivation of the above problem, you seem to be
missing the given fact that "first you pick #1 and then you are told
that #2 is empty. so as usual, your 5 year old attention span has
caused you to be wrong, next time read the whole problem before
answering.

>
>Your prize is a golden passe-gardani which will be given to you in MehrAbAd
>airport.
>
>Seyyed.

and your prize, seyyed, is a golden "dasteh havang", which is awaiting
you at the jfk airport.

behzad


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: keivan@brahms.udel.edu (Keivan Esfarjani)
Subject: Re: Physics-1A Question
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:20:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.213017.9798@panther.mot.com> ronf@panther3.panther.mot.com (Ron Feigen) writes:
>In article <massoud.120.717782103@chemteca.sdsu.edu> massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami) writes:
>>In article <na+p5!+.bavafa@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>>>From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
>>>Subject: Physics-1A Question
>>>Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 07:53:34 GMT

SalAm bar to ey HooshyAr , and the rest of ahAli.
( BTW have you bought your seiko watch yet? :-)

>>>Water boils at temperature of 100 degrees C (or 212 degrees F).  Can we
>>>prove it?  If yes, how?
>>>
>>Whenever water boils is called 100 degree C, not the other way around. The 
>                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>degree C is an arbitrary selection of unit.
>
>Aren't yopu forgetting one small item?  Altitude!  100c at sealevel, I believe.

If you wanna be picky, the water must also be pure (not Abe sheer) . Sea
level means, strictly speaking, that the atmospheric pressure 
must be 1 atm=1.0...*10^5 Pa
 
>>>Perhaps I should have asked can we prove the concept of 
>>temperature as an absolute property of matter?
>>>
>>If you look at temperature as an energy (which is), then every thing falls
>>in its place.

I don't quite agree with that "helpful" comment, but anyways...
I am not sure I understand your question HooshyAr khAn, all I can
say is that temperature is a property of matter in the sense that 
any material object has a well defined temperature FIELD (meaning it 
does not have to be uniform throughout your object) in other words, at 
each point of the oject you can define (and/or measure) the temperature.
Furthermore you cannot define temperature without the presence of matter.
I hope it answers the question.

>>>Regards,
ChAkereem :-)
>>>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
>>>bavafa@netcom.com
>>>(415) 322-8056
>>>
>>You want challenge? Time is two dimentional!!
>
>If you finish with time try a real tough one, military intelligence.

I doubt that time is 2-dimensional, but I know for sure that
military intelligence is zero-dimensional! :-)

A real challenge now for everybody:
The other day my friend was telling me that his professor had told him
that warm water freezes faster than cold water!!!!
Has anybody heard that nonsense? Let me be more "tolerant"[(c) Reza Shahidi]
and assume this might be true; my friend couldn't remember the context
however. Maybe it has to do with some peculiar property of water
between 0 and 4 degrees C? But I can't remember what it was.

Regards,
K1
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