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From: debchat@vax2.concordia.ca (DEB CHATTERJEE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Recommended readings.
Keywords: Asghar Khan/ John L.Hill
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:08:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


 Hello Netters:

 The following books are strongly recommended, so that you may read them. I am
placing my $0.02 worth opinions below. (I referred these earlier, but, would
like to re-emphasize their importance.)

[1] Mohmmad Asghar Khan,"Islam, Politics and the State: the Pakistan Experience"
    Zed Books Ltd., London, U.K: 1985. (ISBN: 0-86232-471-8 (hard cover) and
    ISBN: 0-86232-472-6 (paperback)).

 Comments: The book is simply excellent. The popular beliefs regarding the very
           fundamentalist notions of Islam are shown to be incorrect. Contrary
           to most popular beliefs the author(s) show that Islam is really a
           progressive religion. However, the book condemns and laments the most
           notorious efforts of many fundamentalists like Maulana (Sayyid Abul 
           Ala) Maudoodi and his Jammat-i-Islam party. The book essentially will
           convince that actual Islam and the teachings of Prophet Hazarat
           Mohmmad (PUBH) are meant to reform the society and not be repressive.
           (Upon reading the book, I was convinced that eradication of terrorist
           organizations like (Jammat) from India IS essential. The logic these
           guys put forward simply go to show that Pakistan must, to survive
           better in a modern world, give up the religious fundamentalism for
           good ! The point is that it explains our popular notions and shows
           why these originated in the first place. Read it ! It can be used a 
           VERY STRONG WEAPON by those who want to stand up against Pakistan's
           fundamentalist attitudes towards India.)

 [2] John L.Hill (ed.)," The Congress and Indian Nationalism ", The Riverdale  
     Company, MA, U.S.A: 1991 (ISBN: 0-913215-70-8)

 Comments: A very good book, and, chapter 3 by Robert I.Crane (Syracuse 
           University) is an excellent introduction to those who want to find
           why extremism failed. The author also indicates the `impotence' of
           the INC, and, shows why the teachings of Bankim Chandra Chatterjee
           failed. A strongly recommended reading for those who want to know
           about extremist ideas and their limitations.


 - deb chatterjee
(a good samaritan)

P.S: My convictions have become firmer about Jammat-i-Islam, and, CPI(M)'s
     de-stabilization. (On the latter, the some works of Morris Kline is also
     gratefully acknowledged.)
From: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com (Vijay Joglekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Looking for Tushar Patel
Date: 28 Jul 92 14:00:43 GMT
Reply-To: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com
Distribution: austin
Organization: IBM (Aix Tools Development)

Looking for Tushar Patel who works at Motorola in Austin.
Could somebdy send me his email address and work phone.

Thnanks 

Vijay

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               Vijay Joglekar - arbiter elagantiarum
 Disclaimer: These are my opinions and my opinions only. Has nothing
                      to do with where I work.
            Littera scripta manet: Credo quia absurdum
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: crick@htlv.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: Rushdie Asks University Rector To Mediate
Keywords: Rushdie Salas
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:54:15 GMT

In article <17022@ulysses.att.com> bala@research.att.com (Bala Krishnamurthy) writes:
>apnews reports:
>	   El ESCORIAL, Spain (AP) - Salman Rushdie today appealed to a
>university rector to use his influence in the Muslim world to bring
>an end to the ordeal that Rushdie has endured over his novel ``The
>Satanic Verses.''
>	   In a talk to a summer university seminar, titled ``The Author
>and his Demons,'' Rushdie spoke of his experiences since Khomeini
>called for his death. He was protected by heavy security.

Did he mention "Sholay," "The Magnificent 7," and "Love Story" in his 
speech?

Ed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: shree@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (sanjiv.bhatt)
Subject: Help needed for comp.sources.misc
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:59:06 GMT

This is first time I am trying, so sorry
about my lack of information.

I want to down load some archive files which
were posted in comp.sources.misc.

archive names astrolog/part01 ... astrolog/part06.
I want step by step procedure including ftp site name
directory or path. [ I know ftp access ].

The volume/issue for files are v28i104 to v28i109.
Thanks a lot.

Sanjiv Bhatt
att!cbnewf!shree
att!ihlpb!sanjiv
From: ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Regarding RAW-Mossad Nexus to Fight Terrorism
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:24:23 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Bapa Rao (brao@pollux.usc.edu) writes in reply to me:

>I am less sanguine that this happy ending would come about. 
>I think enlisting Israeli help is a short-sighted step. 
>
>I don't think it is possible to receive Israeli training in
>counterterrorism without imbibing their philosophy, which is
>highly problematic when applied to the Indian situation. The
>Israeli philosophy is one of exclusion of a hostile population
>and takeover of their land, whereas India has to adopt a 
>consciously inclusive policy if it is to survive as a nation. 

	I agree but the matter being discussed does not so much concern
	the "Israeli philosophy" as it does a very small part of the
	Israeli strategy to deal with terrorism. I don't know how useful
	copying Mossad's tactics will be as their notoreity comes from
	their penchant for kidnapping/assassinating inconvenient opponents
	who are perceived to act against the interests of the state of
	Israel. The failure of the GOI's actions in Punjab is due to:
	its deliberate inaction in prosecuting the perpetrators of the 
	Delhi massacre; a monomaniacal militaristic approach to problem 
	solving; the incompetence of the Punjab police; criminalization of 
	the state's security apparatus to the point they are indistinguishable 
	from the terrorist thugs. The problem is so bad that *any* new approach
	is welcome, I think. I am not sure whether the Mossad training
	will necessarily lead to a peaceful Punjab (*,$).

	* I believe there cannot be a peaceful Punjab outside of the Indian
	  Union, in the forseeable future.
	$ There HAS to be simultaneously a realistic political initiative.
	  Giving amensty to the thugs cannot be a part of that solution -
	  it can only be a continual destabilizing factor.


							- Nagarajan
From: halder@ra.cs.umb.edu (Biswanath Halder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Names of Domains of US Colleges (with zip codes 1xxxx)
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:27:48 GMT
Followup-To: halder@cs.umb.edu
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS

********************************************************************************
ZIP	Name of School		City		ST	Name of Domain
---	--------------		----		--	--------------
10012	New York University	New York	NY	NYU.EDU
10019	City U of New York	New York	NY	CUNY.EDU
10021	Rockefeller University	New York	NY	ROCKEFELLER.EDU
10025	Columbia University	New York	NY	COLUMBIA.EDU
10461	Einstein Coll of Med	Bronx		NY	YU.EDU
11794	State University of NY	Stony Brook	NY	SUNYSB.EDU
12180	Rensselaer Polytechnic	Troy		NY	RPI.EDU
12222	University at Albany	Albany		NY	ALBANY.EDU
13244	Syracuse University	Syracuse	NY	SYR.EDU
13323	Hamilton College	Clinton		NY	HAMILTON.EDU
13699	Clarkson University	Potsdam		NY	CLARKSON.EDU
14260	State University of NY	Buffalo		NY	BUFFALO.EDU
14623	Rochester Inst of Tech	Rochester	NY	RIT.EDU
14627	University of Rochester	Rochester	NY	ROCHESTER.EDU
14853	Cornell University	Ithaca		NY	CORNELL.EDU
15213	Carnegie-Mellon U	Pittsburgh	PA	CMU.EDU
	Pittsburgh Suprcomp Ctr 		PA	PSC.EDU
15705	Indiana U of Penn	Indiana		PA	IUP.EDU
16802	Pennsylvania State U	University Park	PA	PSU.EDU
17837	Bucknell University	Lewisburg	PA	BUCKNELL.EDU
18015	Lehigh University	Bethelehem	PA	LEHIGH.EDU
19013	Widener University	Chester		PA	WIDENER.EDU
19085	Villanova University	Villanova	PA	VILL.EDU
19104	U of Pennsylvania	Philadelphia	PA	UPENN.EDU
19104	Drexel University	Philadelphia	PA	DREXEL.EDU
19122	Temple University	Philadelphia	PA	TEMPLE.EDU
19716	University of Delaware	Newark		DE	UDEL.EDU
********************************************************************************
From: banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: West Bengal: Communists out, ? in
Date: 22 Jul 1992 14:52:35 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phad.hsc.usc.edu

In article <14kebjINNd82@agate.berkeley.edu> shankar@are.Berkeley.EDU (Shankar Subramanian) writes:
>
> Amidst all the discussion of what the CPM government has or has not done
>for Bengal, people seem to have forgotten that the CPM draws its strength
>from rural areas and that many observers claim that the CPM has managed to
>speed up economic development in the countryside.  

Which observers? Lets here some names and credentials for them to be accepted
as "experts"

The CPM does draw its strength from rural Bengal where it pumps in
a generous supply of dole money (unemployed pension, widow's pension). The
money comes from what it gets from the Central Govt for planned
expenditure (building schools, roads, hospitals etc.). That is also where the 
votes come from.

Economic development under the CPIM? Please give me a break.
The only people who have benefited are the big landlords and panchayat 
leaders. The marginal share cropper has seen his lot deteriorate, not improve.



>One indicator of this is
>the growth rate of agricultural income, which has been higher these last five
>years than in any other state in India.  

W.Bengal is the only state in the country which I know of that imposes
the Urban Land Ceiling Act on it's rural and agricultural lands. Most
districts within the state do not allow an individual to hold more
than 7 khatas of agricultural land. 

This has led to a profusion of small share croppers who own the land on 
paper only and for the most part are controlled by bigger landlords. This
is why the individual income may have increased on paper but the actual lot
of the small farmer has not changed at all. The small plots make for
very inefficient farming practises and without assured irrigation, most
of these lands can only yeild one crop per year. Compare that with 2-3
crops per year in most other areas of the country and you will get the
picture.

Operation Borga is what the CPIM calls this relocation of agricultural
land and it is a hoax for the most part. Distribution of land taken away
from people having excess of 7 khatas is made along party lines with a view
to build vote banks. What is even more surprising is that the CPIM cadres
oversee this redistribution, and not the State Govt. 



>Bengal was noted for its stagnant
>agriculture.  Breaking out of this trap is a major achievement.
>

Bengal is now noted for its stagnant economy, moribund industrial 
infrastructure and productivity lost to strikes engineered by the CPM
which ranks as the highest in the nation and outstrips the next state
on that list by a 2:1 ratio.

Samit


>Shankar Subramanian
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: buxamusaa@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Email addresses of BOMBAY requested
Keywords: Email, Bombay
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:24:46 GMT


If anyone could send me a list of email addresses in Bombay, I'd appreciate 
it immensely.  A direct reply to my email address "buxamusaa@cs.ulowell.edu" 
would be preferable as I read this group infrequently.  Thanks in advance.

Anees
From: vxr7653@hertz.njit.edu (What's in a name                      Vishwanathan Rajagopalan alias Ravi - Computer Engineering)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Need Olympic Hockey sched
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:18:42 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <92205.114750REKHI@PURCCVM.BITNET> REKHI@PURCCVM.BITNET writes:
>I know it was posted a week or so ago, could some kind soul send it
>directly to me. thanks in advance rekhi

Here it is:

courtesy of:

Altaf Qadir
Massey University
Palmerston North
New Zealand
--------------------------------------------------------------

XXVth OLYMPIC GAMES
BARCELONA (ESP) - 25th July / 9th August, 1992

Mens Hockey Competition

26th July
09.45	Australia vs Argentina		Pool A		Pitch 2
10.15	Spain vs New Zealand		Pool B		Pitch 1

16.00	India vs Germany		Pool A		Pitch 1
17.30	Great Britain vs Egypt		Pool A		Pitch 2
18.00	Pakistan vs Malaysia		Pool B		Pitch 1
20.00	Netherlands vs Unified Team	Pool B		Pitch 1

28th July
09.45	India vs Argentina		Pool A		Pitch 2
10.15	Unified Team vs Malaysia	Pool B		Pitch 1

16.00	Australia vs Egypt		Pool A		Pitch 1
17.30	New Zealand vs Malaysia		Pool B		Pitch 2
18.00	Spain vs Netherlands		Pool B		Pitch 1
20.00	Germany vs Great Britain	Pool A		Pitch 1

30th July
09.45	Pakistan vs Unifed Team		Pool B		Pitch 2
10.15	Great Britain vs India		Pool A		Pitch 1

16.00	Argentina vs Egypt		Pool A		Pitch 1
17.30	Netherlands vs New Zealand	Pool B		Pitch 2
18.00	Germany vs Australia		Pool A		Pitch 1
20.00	Malaysia vs Spain		Pool B 		Pitch 1

1st August
09.45	Egypt vs Germany		Pool A		Pitch 2
10.15	Netherlands vs Pakistan		Pool B		Pitch 1

16.00	New Zealand vs Malaysia		Pool B		Pitch 1
17.30	Spain vs Unified Team		Pool B		Pitch 2
18.00	Argentina vs Great Britain	Pool A		Pitch 1
20.00	Australia vs India		Pool A 		Pitch 1




3rd August
09.45	Malaysia vs Netherlands		Pool B		Pitch 2
10.15	Great Britain vs Australia	Pool A		Pitch 1

16.00	Unified Team vs New Zealand	Pool B		Pitch 1
17.30	Egypt vs India			Pool A		Pitch 2
18.00	Germany vs Argentina		Pool A		Pitch 1
20.00	Spain vs Pakistan		Pool B 		Pitch 1

5th August
09.15	Classification Match 5/8			Pitch 2
09.45	Classification Match 5/8			Pitch 1

16.30	Classification Match 9/12			Pitch 2
17.30	Semi-final					Pitch 1
19.00	Classification Match 9/12			Pitch 2
20.00	Semi-final					Pitch 1

6th August
17.00	7th/8th places					Pitch 1
19.30	5th/6th places					Pitch 1

7th August
09.30	11th/12th places				Pitch 1
17.30	9th/10th places					Pitch 2

8th August
17.00	3rd/4th places					Pitch 1
19.30	Final						Pitch 1

-- 
Ravi.

email:  vxr7653@hertz.njit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: guri@apogee.sps.mot.com (Gurvinder Singh Ahluwalia)
Subject: Re: AFCS (Subroto Park, Delhi Cant.) Graduates
Reply-To: guri@apogee.sps.mot.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:38:20 GMT

In article 13865@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com, rpendse@velveeta.mfg.hou.compaq.com (Raju Pendse) writes:
>I am a graduate of the Air Force Central School in Subroto Park, Delhi Cant.
>I am sure there are graduates of this school in this country. If there is sufficient interest I would like to see if we can come up with a directory of
>ex-student. If you are a grad of this school please e-mail me directly and lets see waht we can do as a group to help the school.

It's now known as TAFS for The Air Force School.  What year did you graduate
and has there been much of a response to your posting?

__
Gurvinder Ahluwalia


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.tamil,alt.culture.us.asian-indian
From: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko)
Subject: Re: alt.culture.kerala (r.f.d. kinda thing)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:07:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.205638.6574@colorado.edu> paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Icarus) writes:

>   Furthermore with 100% literacy we can presume that the 
>   level of discussion will be considerably above the norm 
>   for alt groups in general and culture groups in particular. 

>        a] The developement of the malayalam language.
>        b] The developement of the keralite society.


Ha! Hum! Let me bring the level of discussion down for a bit if I
might and express my mild dismay at finding the person who proposed
the group (with 100% literacy) unfamiliar with the spelling of
development. ;-)
 
George
From: RAJA@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Cermony.
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:35:32 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <820@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, chemsn@emory.edu (Sreehari Nimmala) says:
>
>murty@ecf.toronto.edu (MURTY Hema Sandhyarani) writes:
>:
>:
>:       If the NBC commentator
>
>     (some stuff deleted)
>:        - what was the guy's name?
>
>Bob Castner. Yes, we Indians should demand an apology from
>NBC and Bob. They should broadcast the same during primetime
>Olympic telecast.
>
>---Sreehari.
>:
>:
At least get the name right, It is Bob Costas. I doubt you will geyt an apology
We don't have a large enough GNP.

cheers...Rajagopalan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Aditi, Arindam and me.
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:59:13 GMT

>sake, if you would have taken the time to read all my comments  
>written to Arindam, you would have found that in most of the cases, I  
>disagreed with Arindam and my judgement about Arindam is 'another  
>passionate, illogical, psedo-intellectual person' like YOU.
> --- Aditi Sen.
>
Deb, Aditi's evaluation is correct, except the "pseudo" part of it.
We are passionate and illogical. However, if anybody can show me 
a person who has changed the course of histry with cold reason and
logic I will be grateful.


>
> Concerning Arindam Ghosh, I feel that he is basically honest, but, he has too
>much of religious dosage. He is NOT what you describe. The guy can write very
>good poetry, and has quite good command. He believes religion (his Bahai faith)
>is a means to ending ALL the problems in the world. He would do good if he joins
>the monastery or some kind of organization that engages in such work. If I have
>evaluated him correctly: ARINDAM GHOSH SHOULD STAY AWAY FROM POLITICS.
>
> - regards,
Hmm; your evaluation about me seems correct also, except the "good" part of
the poetry. Two poems in a year cannot a good poet make. I have no intentions
to join in politics; I will leave it to you. Monastery is what I am joining.
However, our monastery is the world and its people. I will gladly leave the
politics to you.
Arindam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: venki@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (N. Venkateswaran)
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:04:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.004536.9198@menudo.uh.edu> nagappa@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>In article <26JUL199217032359@rosie.uh.edu>, eleea48@rosie.uh.edu (Thomas, Thomas) writes:
>>It was a great shock to me to hear the NBC commentator describe India
>>during the opening ceremonies as a "poor nation, without synthetic playing
>>surfaces".

>fields, including sports. We cannot expect anyone to have a good view of
>us if we have not proven ourselves in the world. 
>
>In order to prove ourselves we must first have belief that we can make it. We
>must become restless and hardworking and always be on the go. Then maybe in 
>1996 they will have something better to say about us!
>
>Chetan Nagappa



	Why is there such a desperate need by the Indians to be accepted
	by the west? We are what we are. period. And no amount od dire
	predictions by Bob Costas or by Malthus or any so-called expert
	is gonig to change anything.

	As for the Olympics.... it has degerated into a flag-waving
	my-country-is-better-than-yours spectacle.

	All the medals in the world is not going to improve the life
	of a villager in China. Nor would growth-oriented economic
	policies. It only worsens pollution.


	IMO, every country needs to evolve its own growth pattern. The
	concept of GDP/GNP and other such comparative indicators seems very
	silly.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:49:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.032957.138390@ua1ix.ua.edu> ngopalas@ha14.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy) writes:
>by some on this net itself. I have had trouble explaining to the Ed Crick
>clones that we consider it bad manners to eat monkey brains for breakfast,
>they are strictly meant for dinner only. Also, human sacrifices do not take
>place every full moon, but are conducted only during solar eclipses. Why, if
>we conducted sacrifices every full moon, our population would be half its
>current level. And they don't realize, whenever we pass the beef section, it
>is mandatory for us "Hindoos" to kneel and pray to the holy spirit of the cow.
>People do not work back home because they are too immersed in their hobby
>of snake-charming a la Vijay Amritraj in Octopussy.
>

Having recently tripped over a devout Brahmin prostrated in the frozen
meat section of my local supermarket, I feel it necessary to respond to
the allegations being directed to me and my "clones" (BTW, are these
cDNA clones or genomic clones, what vector was the library cloned into, and
what was your screening method?).  I HAVE seen the Indiana Jones movie, so
I do know that monkey brains are a delicacy reserved for banquet dinners.
As far as the scarifices, how did you escape your lot?  Did you parents
dress you in a sari, to pretend you were a girl?
One more question, is Vijay Amritraj the only Indian tennis player/snake
charmer, or is Ramesh Krishnan likewise multi-talented?

Ed


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dupugunt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Krishna Prasad D. V.)
Subject: Air-Ticket to San Jose (Round Trip)
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: cin
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 14:56:01 GMT



Hi Netters,

I have a two-way ticket from Cincinnati to San Jose and back,
via Chicago, leaving on 13th August and returning on 10th September
by American Airlines. This is a confirmed ticket and the cost is
$200.00. If you are interested, please call me at (513)-221-3515(H)
or leave a message.


Thanks,

Krishna.
From: rc05@gte.com (Ramesh Chandak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Lovable villain is dead ???
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:29:04 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated, Waltham MA


heard on BBC this morning that "a lovable villain" from the Hindi film
industry is dead ???  i missed the name.  any clues to who it is ?

- Ramesh
rc05@gte.com