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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: 727 jumps
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 03:53:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.022655.25932@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:
>I missed the part about where this thing is. Is the 727 still flying,
>and where? (I hope, I hope)


you're kidding right??
it was (is?) flying at the world freefall convention in quincy IL.

how could you miss that??
it's been advertised for months!
i meant to go, but i got distracted ;-)

>
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>*********************************************
>*    bob church                             *
>*    bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu           *
>*    D-8195 NFS #27                         *

tim
(maybe next year)
From: genea@geneapcSanDiego.NCR.com (Gene Anderson)
Subject: Rig for sale
Reply-To: genea@geneapcSanDiego.NCR.com (Gene Anderson)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:36:35 GMT

Skydiver now pilot wants to sell complete system.

$550   Will be certified worthy by riggers at Perris Valley
       Parachute Center, Perris, California
	I will ship.

- 50 jumps
- 7-cell Unit colors (white, yellow, orange, red, blue)
- Streamlite container, hand deploy in Velcro hip pocket,
  black, 3 ring circus
- 26 foot 4 line release reserve

I did stand up landings in this when I weighed 180. 


Gene W. Anderson
software engineer at NCR

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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: simulated freefall en
Date: 5 Aug 92 22:05:00 GMT

Reply-to: Don.Evinger@p0.f101.n207.z1.fidonet.org (Don Evinger)
Fido-To: gtnetdc@prism.gatech.edu

G> Question for other rec.skydivers:

G> How many jumps do people usually require to complete AFF?  Which ones
 > are most often repeated?

Newcommer here (actually I've been lurking for a while)...

I completed AFF and only repeated one jump, level 5 (I think). To my delight, we exited at about 14 grand but my ripcord got snagged on the door of the Twin Otter on exit and was dangling. My jumpmaster had some difficulty getting it back into the elastic loop and we lost several thousand feet in the process. After quickly going through the planned manuvers for this jump, the last thing to do was my first attempt at tracking, and I had almost no time left to do it. I was looking forward to it so much thoug

h that I did a short one before pulling.  Problem was I was to do it in a specific direction and I did not do that (I figured I wasn't going far anyway...)

On the ground I was told I shouldn't have done that, but since I was able to recount to my JM exactly what had happened and in which direction I tracked he figured I hadn't just "screwed up". He ended up leaving the decision to me as to if I should repeat the jump. I opted to because I wanted to get it right.

So, I *could have* done it with NO repeats!

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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Twin Otters and Float Planes
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:08:20 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu

 f> Listening to you people talk, it sounds like an otter is a good plane
 f> to jump. I was wondering has anyone ever jumped from a twin otter??

I think you have it backwards.  The twin otter is fast becoming the single most common jump plane in the country.  It's the single otter that is the rare one for jumping.


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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: weirdest items lost in freefall
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:33:12 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: angus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

 a> This past weekend, I was doing AFF level 3  when at about 10000ft I lost my
 a> helmet. It had a velcro attachment instead of a snap on one.

 a> I was wondering if  anyone else has lost any unusual items while they were
 a> falling at 120mph towards the earth. My roommate threw his ripcord at the 
 a> jumpmaster in his level 3.

Lots of helmets have been lost.  I lost a shoe once.  I've seen a smoke bracket come off, and last weekend someone was holding on to his oxygen mask and the trailing tube looked real funny.

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From: jld@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Jeffrey DeMent)
Subject: Re: Woman hit by landing skydiver sues city
Summary: Reinforcement of position
Organization: U S WEST Communications
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:26:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.194957.9025@virtech.uucp> mark@vti.com writes:
>tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>: a 66 yeard old Simi Valley woman said she suffered head, neck, and back 
>: injuries when a skydiver landed on her at a July 4 city sponsored event.
>: Oh yeah, emotional trauma too.
>: 
>: Poor thing, at least te skydiver had an open canopy!
>
>I don't know all the particulars, but it sounds like you
>are making the woman into a fool! (please correct me if
>I'm wrong, and I'll take my flames like a man.)
>
>Hitting someone under canopy is a serious thing; especially,
>if that someone is a spectator at a demo.
>
>It's okay to joke about deadly things (we all do), but
>all the neophyte skydivers out there have to realize the
>seriousness involved here.  (1) hurting an innocent is
>*BAD* press, (2) in cases like these an innocent bystander
>could be hurt or even killed.
>
>Before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm *NOT* arguing in favor
>of people suing indiscriminately if they break a finger nail.
>I'm arguing against the attitude that "Poor thing" brings to
>my mind.
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For whatever it's worth, I wholeheartily agree with Mark Smith's reply.
Perception is reality in many person's minds and the "poor thing" comment
regardless of the author's true meaning (and I know the author so I'm
quite sure it was not a malicious comment), it is no stretch of the 
imagination to perceive the comment as callous and arrogant.

My wife and I actively try and involve "whuffos" in our sport.  It has
been a real eye-opener how many mis-perceptions are still common in the
non-skydiving community.  We need to be careful not to encourage those
images of what is obviously the greatest sport ever invented.

Jeff
B-15105
From: sparkie@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: More news from Quincy
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:42:58 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

[ ..stuff deleted.. ]

>Even the Wisconsin contingent made out well this year, after taking a
>beating last year!

Geez!  One bad year and the next thing you know it's a precedent!  Do ALL  
skydivers jump to conclusions like this?  I thought it might have just been a  
localized problem. ;-)

[ ... ]

Got seven jumps in today.  It was a good day!  Blue skies!
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Jumping from jets?
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 13:47:09 GMT


i believe the only civilian/passenger jet jumps ever have been D.B. Cooper's
and from a 727 at the Convention, which noone will tell us about (!).
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Labor Day Herd Boogie
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:37:00 GMT

Reply-to: Mike.Mcnamara@p0.f64.n382.z1.fidonet.org (Mike Mcnamara)
Fido-To: wain

Hi Wain.  Look me up when you're at the Herd.
Mike McNamara, President

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From: kjones@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Kent Jones - EECS)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: MS Patient Skydives (On TV)...
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:03:34 GMT
Organization: Washington State University!

A while back I watched a program on TV about a lady who had Multiple Sclerosis
(sp?) As I remember it, before she skydived for the first time she was 
confined to a wheel chair, unable to walk. One day she was at a group meeting
and someone asked for volunteers to write a story about the adventure of 
skydiving... having always dreamed of flying she volunteered to write the 
story. 

To make a long story short, after about 2-3 dives she started to get feeling 
back in her legs! She continued to skydive and is now able to walk! Her doctor
was amazed... He theorized that the excitement of jumping caused the brain to
release endorphins and other beneficial hormones... 

I may be wrong but it looked like she was jumping at Perris Valley Ca. Did
anyone else see this show and care to comment?

Kent
From: geoffc@zebedee.UUCP (Geoffrey Coan)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Antonov AH-26...  What is it?
Date: 15 Aug 92 11:45:56 GMT
Organization: Geoffrey Coan (disorganisation)
X-Version: Rodney's UUCP modules 02/11/90 V1.18

In article <ccjg.712391196@kudu> ccjg@kudu.ru.ac.za (John Goetsch) writes:
(Sender was: news@hippo.ru.ac.za)
> Hi, 
> 
> I read about the guys out there trying to jump as many different
> aircraft as possible, and was hoping that one of you could help me.... 
> 
> I am going to be jumping an Aeroflot Antonov AH-26, but know nothing
> about it other than that it is a ramp exit, turbo prop ship.
> 
> Does anybody have any other info for me, like how many jumpers etc etc
If it's the one I think it is, you're in for a good jump !

Last year in Poland I jumped an AN-26 (so I guess its the same); it will
do 0-15000' in about 10 minutes, takes 60ish jumpers and has a run in speed
of 400knots (260mph).  We were told to NOT launch formations as you would
get hurt as you were blown out the back !  We did a 6 way free-flown exit,
all of us trying to delta up the slip stream.  It was outstanding, a bit like
being run over by a bus (it hurts) as you actually decelerate to terminal
velocity.

Hope it goes well

Geoffrey
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> John
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From: genea@geneapcSanDiego.NCR.com (Gene Anderson)
Subject: Military rig for sale
Reply-To: genea@geneapcSanDiego.NCR.com (Gene Anderson)
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:32:24 GMT

1974 B-12 Military container with 28' 4-color Double-L main
     has about 100 jumps on it and is still airworthy.  1 1/2 shot
     capewell release.  Main is sleeved with spring loaded 
     pilot chute.  The container is dyed black.  The harness is
     the bench.

Chest mount reserve, olive drab, canopy is same (28')

Main System $90, you cover cost of inspection & shipping
		 (I guarantee airworthiness)
Reserve     $45,      "

I'd hate to see this go to pasture as a tent in some back yard.  It
would make a good water jump rig.

thanks,

Gene W. Anderson
(619)485-2508
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From: jld@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Jeffrey DeMent)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: LORAN System for Spotting
Keywords: FAA, clouds
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:16:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

Recently our load was spotted using the LORAN (spelling ?) system
on board a Twin Otter.  We landed approximately 15 miles off the DZ :(
due to a equipment malfunction.  I was told the system has been used
very often in the past with very accurate results and this was a 
aberration.

Using a LORAN system to spot for skydivers on cloudy days seems to go
well beyond the "liberally interpretation" of FAA rules which "occasionly"
occur in our sport and I'm very curious how we get away with it >:-0

Jeff
From: d6jvb@dtek.chalmers.se (Johan von Boisman)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: high altitude over texas?
Date: 14 Aug 92 10:58:38 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

Hello,

Anybody hear about the results of the British attempt to set
a new world record for high altitude jumps? It was Pete
Reynolds and some ex SAS guys. 

It is rumored that some Swedish skydivers are attempting the same
thing, and that it is due about now. I saw there's something
about skydiving on Screensport, 15/8 (tomorrow) @9.30 am (C Europe)


Alright, that's a question and a tip. Please followup.


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From: jno3190@ra37.ca.boeing.com (John N. Otakie)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Does this really work?
Keywords: skydiving
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:31:24 GMT
Organization: none

If anyone in the Seattle area gets this, 
please call me and let me know.  I am new
to this system.

Thank you.

                          John O.
                          965-5715
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Wrong item to catch in freefall
Date: 8 Aug 92 00:19:28 GMT

Reply-to: Nancy.Jo@p0.f68.n110.z1.fidonet.org (Nancy Jo Irwin)
Fido-To: all

I almost lost my hook knife once, it came out of its little pouch!
I was so proud when I caught it in mid-air because I had just saved myself $5.  Then it came time to pull so I put the hook knife in my left hand.
The only problem was that I always grabbed my risers on opening to help open the canopy (it sniveled really bad).  When I got on the ground and started to pack I noticed that I had almost cut my riser in half.
So--- save a $5 hook knife and ruin a $50 pair of risers!!!

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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: 14?
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:56:00 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <92225.195119U50281@uicvm.uic.edu>
>BTW, that 727 was climbing at 4000 feet per minute.  No joke!  That's the
>first load I've ever been on where the ride down is longer than up...
>...yeah, well, I don't dump at 1500 either...

Hey that's right.  Could somone who actually jumped the thing give us a
blow-by-blow?  Jeff?

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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Is there a mail gateway to rec.skydiving?
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:00:16 GMT

Reply-to: Hector.Mandel@p0.f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (Hector Mandel)
Fido-To: romulus!oracle.com!swerthei

In a message of <18 Aug 92  02:46:49>, romulus!oracle.com!swerthei (1:233/15)   
writes:

 >
 >Is there a mail gateway to/from rec.skydiving?  If so, please email me.  
 >I'm
 >asking this for someone who can't get rec.* newsgroups.
 >--
 >Steve Wertheimer
 >swerthei@us.oracle.com
 >

rec.skydiving is available as a FidoNet echomail message area on any FidoNet
BBS in the world.  I operate the FidoNet  <-> internet gateway that links
rec.skydiving into the SKYDIVE message area.  Just call your nearest fidonet
BBS (assuming you have a modem) and ask the sysop to pick up the SKYDIVE echo 
from the FidoNet backbone.  If you have any questions, you can email me.  The 
best place to reach me is:  mandel@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu

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From: roy@engin.umich.edu (Roy William Feague)
Subject: Michigan DZs
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:27:52 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: USA

I am a beginning jumper, with only 10 jumps to my name.  Does anyone
know of good drop zones in Michigan, preferably in the Ann Arbor area?
(Or Flint, whatever.)  Thanks.
-roy

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From: koning@koning.enet.dec.com (Paul Koning)
Subject: Re: LORAN System for Spotting
Reply-To: koning@koning.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Co., distributed systems architecture
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 20:32:32 GMT


In article <14454@mindlink.bc.ca>, Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs) writes:
|>In article <1992Aug20.221626.17815@advtech.uswest.com>
|>jld@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Jeffrey DeMent) writes:
|>
|>>Recently our load was spotted using the LORAN (spelling ?) system
|>>on board a Twin Otter.  We landed approximately 15 miles off the DZ :(
|>>due to a equipment malfunction.  I was told the system has been used
|>>very often in the past with very accurate results and this was a
|>>aberration.
|>
|>     I've heard of LORAN spotting over clouds, and I shudder.  It
|>reminds me of the incident long ago where a group of jumpers did a
|>radar spot - but the controller was tracking the wrong plane.  They
|>broke out over Lake Erie, and 16 people drowned.
|>
|>     Things go wrong.  Call them aberrations, call them malfunctions,
|>call them what you will.  That's why we have backups - like reserves,
|>for instance.  I'd use LORAN to back up my eyeballs, or vice versa -
|>but relying entirely on a box of delicate electronic parts is like
|>jumping without a reserve, IMHO.
|>
|>     I hope this is a short-lived fad.
|>
|>Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
|>"I'm cursed with hair from HELL!"  -- Night Court

I agree.  People who spot with Loran, or similar electronic hackery, in order
to jump through a solid cloud deck are -- in my opinion -- reckless maniacs,
and I wouldn't want to have anything to do with them.

Incidentally, both the pilot and the jumpers are in clear violation of
FAA part 105 by doing such a thing, and the pilot could suffer the
consequences (like losing his/her license).

	paul, A-13683

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From: Charolyn_Babichuk@darwin.biochem.ualberta.ca
Subject: Re: MS Patient Skydives (On TV)...
Organization: University of Alberta
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:41:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.180334.14749@serval.net.wsu.edu> kjones@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
(Kent Jones - EECS) writes:
>A while back I watched a program on TV about a lady who had Multiple Sclerosis

>I may be wrong but it looked like she was jumping at Perris Valley Ca. Did
>anyone else see this show and care to comment?
>
>Kent
>


I saw it and I have no idea where she was jumping but I was extremely intrigued
by the medical implications the story.  While it's known that the immune system
and the nervous system are profoundly connected this is an amazing example of
the benefits of treating the source and not just the symptoms.  Stressed out
people tend to have more illnesses.  Multiple Sclerosis is an autoimmune
disease whereby the insulating sheath that surrounds nerve cells (and keeps
then from short circuiting) comes under the desructive attack of the body's own
immune system.  It isn't know for sure what causes autoimmunity in most cases
(it can be caused by viruses, drugs, stress, various other illnesses) only that
it may be due to and propogated by some sort of severe stress the body feels. 
Perhaps when this woman took up skydiving some of this stress was aleviated by
the endorphins released ever time she made a jump.  I discussed this woman with
an MD friend of mine (specializing in immune disorders) and her recovery didn't
surprise her that much only that she thought skydiving was insane to begin with
(you know doctors).  It's true that happier and more relaxed people tend to
have fewer health problems and live longer.  I know that I feel no pain or
sorrow after most jumps and maybe this is also a way to keep my immune system
happy and my body and mind as free from everyday stress as possible.  Regular
exersize and a balanced diet are key as well.  Does anyone else know of any
other people who were physical health was enhanced by a mental stimulation? 
Particularly skydiving done by elderly people?   

Charolyn Babichuk