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From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Subject: Re: AGA Compatable A3000 - Why Not? Isn't it possible.
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:00:42 GMT

In article <copes.716445129@marsh> copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope) writes:
>It is possible.  A daughter board to plug into the old chip sockets, the chip
>ram sockect (pull the ram) and the pal sockets.  On the daughter board you have
>
>a) AGA chipset.
>b) A4000 chip ram subsystem.
>
>Voila, an AGA A3000.  NOW PLEASE STOP SAYING IT CAN'T BE DONE. IT CAN.

Sure, and exactly _where_ are you going to get Lisa and Alice?
They are _surface mounted_. C= does not replace them. Motherboard swap
time. No reason whatever for C= to make the chips available.

Only way is if they are on their own motherboard module; then it could
perhaps be hacked to work. But I guess that would look very ugly.



Has anyone looked at the inside of a 4000?


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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: More AmigaWorld Lies
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 00:23:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.220028.2774@leela.cs.orst.edu> bob@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (robert s. richardson) writes:
>
>OB.AMIGA  IF an A500 is the "ford escort" of the Amiga line, what
>are the 600, 1000, 2000, 3000.  (Lets keep this hopeless analogy
>to the current machines, for now!)

Sure...

A500: Ford Escort
A600: Ford Tempo
A1000:Ford Festiva
A2000:Ford Escort Wagon  :-)
A3000:Ford Probe GT

Are we limited to Ford? How about Pontiacs or Toyotas or Buicks?
:-)

>
>Bob Richardson
>bob@atlantis.cs.orst.edu


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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Interlace video (Was Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate)
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:25:46 GMT
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raymondu@terapin.com (Raymond Ulibarri) writes:
>
>   BTW, I agree with the remark that PC displays look blocky.  Look at
>AutoDesk's Animator demo FLI animation.  It appears quite blocky.  When viewing
>the same animation (after converting it to Amiga ANIM format) on an Amiga, it
>doesn't appear blocky at all.  I suspect it's the non-interlace monitor that
>enhances the blocky appearance on the PC, and the interlaced video of the Amiga
>which disguises it.  Any facts to prove this?
>

No, I believe that 320x200 VGA looks blocky because the video card is actually
double-scanning the display to 400 lines.  Each pixel is actually a 2x2 square,
so they have corners and edges which are easy to see.

>
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From: thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: User interfaces--Workbench and WPS
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:39:06 CDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Sep13.4477.28523@dosgate>, "robert buonincontro" <robert.buonincontro@canrem.com> writes:
> 
> DT> Sure, I believe this crap. Are you saying that huge companies are
> DT>borrowing ideas from such an unpopular computer as the Amiga? Next your going
> DT>to tell me that OS/2's Workplace is a rip off of the Workbench.
> 
>  As far as I know both Microsoft and IBM have a few Amiga 3000 computers. Like
> any good company you want to see what's out there. Besides you got to admit that
> a lot of the new  features in Windows and OS/2 remind you of Workbench 2.0. This
> doesn't mean they copied it. But there are a lot of simularities!
> 

The Workplace Shell in OS/2 2.0 is based on the Common User Access 91
standard put out by IBM.  It is heavily based on the object oriented
desktop model.  Is Workbench 2.0 object oriented?  

By the way, the CUA 93 specification will probably have voice recognition
and other neat stuff. 


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From: boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: Lysator Academic Computer Society, Linkoping University, Sweden
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:23:38 GMT

engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben Eng) writes:

>In <1627@lysator.liu.se> boberg@lysator.liu.se (Stefan Boberg) writes:

>>  Me too. As it is right now the only good compiler for the Amiga appears
>>to be SAS/C (and GCC, but it's hardly usable).

>Why do you say that gcc is hardly usable?  Sure it requires plenty of
>RAM, is hell to install, and probably assumes the user has had some
>experience using gcc (and other tools, such as man, info, etc.) under
>Unix.  Personally, now prefer using gcc 2.2.2 over Manx and DICE.  I
>haven't tried SAS yet.  The only thing missing is gdb (!!!!).

  I didn't mean that GCC was bad, just that I don't consider it a "real" 
Amiga compiler. It doesn't (as far as I know) have any facilities for 
putting data in chip memory (like SAS' __chip) for instance. Another 
problem is the code generation in base-relative mode (which is what I
have to use in my projects) - it's awfully bad sometimes (the optimizer
seem to get really confused). It doesn't allow for registerized 
parameters either, which is a pity because I like them.

  The memory, CPU and HD usage doesn't bother me the least. I've got
a fast Amiga with tons of memory.

  I think GCC is wonderful for compiling UNIX programs for use on the 
Amiga - I've compiled quite a few UNIX programs with GCC without having 
to fool around too much with the code. But I still think SAS/C is
better for native Amiga development. All IMHO of course.

>>Unfortunately, MANX seem to have dropped the Amiga version,

>That's not true.  The most recent version I have is 5.2, which
>was available months ago as a beta release for testing on Bix.
>I think they are working on a new release.  I doubt they will keep
>pace with the new SAS release.

  Since I haven't heard of any MAJOR updates by Manx I figured they
had dropped it. I hope I'm wrong - competition is good for the
customers (you and me) :-)

>>so I guess the only thing to hope for is the rumoured commercial DICE.

>I haven't heard from Matt for ages since he abandoned Bix.  Is he
>still working hard on getting BSD up and running?  What version of
>DICE are we up to now?

  Last I heard he had put the BSD project to sleep until some lawsuit
was settled (somebody claimed that BSD used code belonging to someone
else - don't quite remember). 

  I don't know about the latest version of DICE but I think it is 
2.36.40 (!?). There haven't been any updates for a while (I think - 
again) so god knows what he's up to. Hopefully something real nice.
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: A4000 at WOC
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:25:45 GMT

abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:

>barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>>   In a way, the AA chipset is going to become the great equalizer, in favor of
>>systems like the Mac and IBM systems which have had 256-color hi-res modes for
>>a long time.  Ever since the Mac II and IBM SVGA systems first started coming
>>out, people have been complaining about their slowness while stating (falsely)
>>that the Amiga was faster.  The real problem all along has been that 640x480x8
>>is a hell of a lot of data to move around, and the Amiga did not have any modes
>>to use as a comparison against these systems.  Sure, the Amiga seemed faster,
>>but only because it's inferior display meant that it was not burdoned with 
>>moving lots of data around.

>>   But along comes the AA chipset, and we finally get to see how an Amiga 
>>performs with 8 bitplanes at 640x480, and we see that it **CRAWLS**.  In fact,

>I don't know about you, perhaps you flew to California and flew back 
>(you lucky rich kid... :)  Personally, *I* haven't seen it crawls... have
>you??? you saw it?  I assumption is that: either you are rich enough to
>fly back and forth (fly by night? <grin>)  or you have very very very 
>good eye-sight.  either way, I envy you. >:)

I was the one that said it crawls, and Marc was responding to what I wrote.
The workbench is very slow in 256 color mode.  Also, it seems to shimmer.
It is still useable, if you have patience.

>>we find that the Workbench is **UNUSABLE** in 256-color mode because it is
>>so slow, even though the Mac and IBM systems -- which have been available for
>>much longer -- are pokish but still very usable with 256 colors.

>**Unusable**?? I thought some guy claimed he was using it for 3 hours...
>now how do you explain that, buddy?

Well, it didn't quite take 3 hours to redraw a window, but let's just say that
it wasn't snappy, in the least.  Not to mention if you had assigned pictures
as backdrops...

keith
From: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AGA Compatable A3000 - Why Not?  Isn't it possible.
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:10:16 GMT
Reply-To: daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Sep13.041010.24865@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:

>...with the exception of the SCSI circuitry (which does not exist in the 
>A4000), all of the circuitry external to the chipset subsystem -- the 
>circuitry that implements the CPU, the 32-bit memory, the Zorro III slots, 
>etc -- is the same on the A3000 and A4000.

NOT!

Learn to read a schematic.  Oh, but I guess you'd have to see one first.
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Random tidbits regarding WOC & A4000
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:58:29 GMT

>>	He's dreaming if he thinks the A4000 with IDE is competition for the
>>  various 486 boxes out there that offer much more for the same price.
>
>What exactly do they offer that's more?

	For the same price, Gateway 2000 has an EISA 486 50mhz system with
  32 bit SCSI controller and 340meg SCSI HD.  More ram ( 2meg ).  System is
  a Tower version, not desktop.  Hicolor SVGA graphics card that offers 
  higher resolution.

							G.Greene


>Philip McDunnough
>University of Toronto
>philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate, an I an ideali
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:08:28 GMT

In article <18pa3vINN8ep@pollux.usc.edu> addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) writes:

< lots of stuff deleted >

>The harddrive was additional.  Smaller harddrives (we called them
>Winchesters back them) were available and supported.  The company
>was producing various machines in their line of computers before
>the Apple ][ became so popular.

Trivia Question : Where did the name Winchester come from?

Clue : It does not refer to the Winchester Rifle.  For the longest 
time I believed that there was something in the drives which was
similar to the firing mechanism in a rifle.  :-)

>Richard

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu




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From: markb@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Mark Bower)
Subject: Adventures with Nigel Migraine
Originator: markb@sydrd14
Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 03:52:31 GMT


Just for a breath of fresh air, here's an interesting little tale
written by an Atari ST using friend (sounds oxymoronic, but it's true!).



                         One Ancient Afternoon
                           by Nigel Migraine

It was the immature grope that started the manic feast that afternoon. A
swollen promise following a disgusting opener made Cindy reveal her
daisy tonsils and issue forth a complete liquid, 
scraping_the bastard off the floor. Just then the psychic UFO, driven by a
compression dwarf, ploughed into the surf net in a fit of
spacey chaos. Fitting the techno toucher to the airborne drill he hooked 
it into the sound grid and tried to fix the burnt spectrum. Meanwhile
disgusting vices were taking place at the suburban geyser by the man in the
luxury shirt.  "I_cant_wait_for_the screwdriver or the greek shovel!" said 
the dwarf. "This battery_operated zone plays havoc with my
funny toucher." Then suddenly from his white lung came a 
boing tap like the sound of a parasitic generator hitting a
sad reptile. From the super dimension appeared a
Communist doppelganger, demading that people_want_the sex and
radical heads make a molecular squelch when hit by the
slash reptile living in the sleep geyser. Like a 
lazy preacher the dwarf replied "People_want_the machine with
arid armour, not the creator tree filled with negative liquid, sprayed from a 
techno puppy." From his rotating hell he measured the digital resistance of the
white doppelganger and banished him to the wilderness nightmare to
kill_the wave forever.  "Is_it_time_for_the christmas yet?", Cindy asked, "No
massive hand is going to give me a queer grind. If they do it's off to the
destroyed prison_cell and a very painful kill."

---
Fans may mail/flame/masticate the author at andrewj@tps.com.

Bye for now kiddies,

Mark
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From: nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interlace video (Was Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate)
Date: 6 Sep 1992 02:48:48 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:
>nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Nan Zou) writes:

><Amiga user argues PC use interlace all the time>

>>I think you're wrong on that one.  Standard VGA use 31.5 KHz horizontal
>>syncing frequency and 60 Hz vertical non-interlaced refresh.  And I don't
>>think EGA and CGA is interlaced either.

>I though I'd inject here that IBMs vaunted XGA and 8514 cards are
>interlaced video. How more official can you get? IBM uses interlaced video.

I thought I'd mention that both XGA and 8614/A are NON-interlaced at
640x480 (standard VGA resolution), but interlaced at 1024x768 (for reasons
beyond my comprehension).  The ATI 8514/A clones fixed that.

>If one does not like interlace flicker on their Amiga then they can
>get hardware to fix it. It's cheap and you can fix ANY amiga to solve the
>interlaced video flicker "problem".

If people are happy with the interlacing why would they pay money to buy
something that removes it?

-- Nan
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From: don@chopin.udel.edu (Donald R Lloyd)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falc
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:20:42 GMT


Jerry S. Writes:
>No, I just think that a computer grafted on top of another computer is
>a kludge.  It has nothing to do with the Intel CPU.

     Umm... take a good look at the above sentence and think about it 
a little.  Doesn't your prhasing seem just a tad, er... oxymoronic?

     ('Real' mode, 'protected' mode, etc. spring to mind...)

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From: zarthac@camelot.bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: New modes and my trusty 1084S
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:32:25 GMT

Which modes will my trusty 1084S puke on?
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:10:37 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

dleslie@aludra.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:

> I think there are a lot of people who are glad that you are not american.
> With more americans like you(we have enough) we would probably be as
> unimportant a country as Sweeden.

Just curious, no offense...

would you mind clarifying what exactly do you mean by important countries?

I really want to know.

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Date: Thursday, 10 Sep 1992 02:02:31 EDT
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Subject: Re: PC (OS/2) / Amiga debate -- hopefully a rational debate, an I an i
 <1992Sep3.153516.42760@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <BuB6Lq.GAJ@starnine.com>
 <1992Sep9.170218.14810@usl.edu>

In article <1992Sep9.170218.14810@usl.edu>, das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel
A) says:

>
>IRQ===========> systems that do not come with lots of peripherals
>                should not have problems filling up IRQs.  In the
>                most cases, the default IRQ for the card (like a
                 Soundblaster) is the correct one.

One might run into trouble if he/she wants to plug in cards that
uses similar IRQ's or DMA channels or BIOS addresses.  It might be kind
of silly, but can you plug in multiple Soundblasters (or HD controllers)
in the PC ?  (multiple == any integer >1 and < # of slots available).

Autoconfig (TM) feature in Zorro II & III allows the user to plug
in as many card as physically possible (within power requirement,
# of cards do not exceed slots, address space required is within the
allowable limits - 9 Meg (?) and 1 gig (?) on Zorro II & III)  All of
these are quite possible without guess work by the users.

>PCs 'headaches' IF existing are almost always 'cured' by simply reading the
>manual  that comes with the card.

PS headaches DOES exists.  Now if only all the cards sold comes with
the correct revisions of manual (or photocopy piece of paper with
jumpers info) and written by someone that can write clearly in English.
That's one major problem with cheap PC peripheral cards produced in
3rd world countries.

K. C. Lee
Elec. Eng. Grad. Student
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From: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Subject: Re: Upgrade path from A3000 -> A4000? Ask at WOC!
Reply-To: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:43:07 GMT

In article <35111@cbmvax.commodore.com>, daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
> In article <1992Sep13.173427.20118@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
> >In article <92257.115643JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu> JBK4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> 
> >>Not pin compatible but what about installing it on a ZorroIII Card or through
> >>the CPU slot.  
> 
> >   I don't think so. The AGA aren't just plop-in chips, folks. That's why
> >Commodore put them on the motherboard of the A4000. 
> 
> AA (AGA, Pandora, whatever) chips could live on the expansion bus with some
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
***********
Will Commodore make these chips available to third party developers?

> tweaks to the graphics support software.  Such a card would of course have its 
> own Chip RAM, and wouldn't necessarily be accessed by take-over-the-system
> software (eg, going through the OS would be mandatory, of course). 
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
************
Small price to pay.

> You would
> need Zorro III to get A4000-class CPU access to such Chip RAM.


> 
> -- 
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