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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: help!
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:04:07 -0500

In a message dated 7/26/92, Michael Lederman writes 

  ML> I am used to working with Freehand, Pagemaker and a Laserwriter IINT. 
  ML> So whenever I need to create graphics, I simply create them in
  ML> Freehand, save them as an EPS file and import them into my Pagemaker
  ML> document.
  ML> 
  ML> Now I am working with the same software but I am printing to a
  ML> Stylewriter. As it is a non-postscript printer, an EPS file does me no
  ML> good at all.  I need a graphics program as flexible as Freehand which
  ML> can create other formats (perhaps PICT) which will print well on a
  ML> Stylewriter.  Are there any good powerful graphics programs out there
  ML> which fit these needs?  Does the newest version of Freehand save as
  ML> other formats -- I am working with an older version.  I need to create
  ML> a flyer with a detailed map on it (soon -- in the next few days) and I
  ML> didn't even think about not being able to do it because I'm so used to
  ML> working with the laser printer.  What are my options? Thanks...
  ML> ---

Freehand can create a PICT image of an illustration. Would this work for you?

  While in Freehand, select all or a portion of your illustration, hit
COMMAND-OPTION-C (or hold down the OPTION key while selection COPY from the EDIT
menu), then open another application (or the Scrapbook, I imagine) and hit
COMMAND-V (i.e., paste). 

  I've done this copy and paste routine from Freehand (both 2.2 and 3.0) into
Word 4.0 without any problems (except that it can take a long time on a SE). 
I've never tried pasting into Pagemaker (I've always placed and .eps file
instead).

Good luck,
Phil Schuler
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: SPA piracy raid at Oregon?
Reply-To: bradcox@infoage.com (Brad Cox)
Organization: Information Age Consulting
From: bradcox@infoage.com (Brad Cox)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 13:51:36 EST
X-Mailer: Fernmail 1.2b1

> In article <1992Jul22.202524.12274@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>  
> jahnke@biosci.arizona.edu (Jerome Jahnke) writes:
> People program for the fun of it - always have, always will. 

Farmers work for the fun of it too. But they quickly move to the city and
take less fun jobs when prices are such that they can't earn a decent wage.

The similarities between the economics of Karl Marx and Richard Stallman
are so striking that one is compelled to wonder...aren't the answers to
Stallman's arguments compellingly demonstrated in eastern europe today?
---
Brad Cox, Ph.D.                (203) 868 9182 voice / (203) 868 0780 fax
Information Age Consulting     bradcox@infoage.com [or bradcox@aol.com (25kB max)]
From: Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Quick Microsoft bash! ;-) (Word not closing files properly)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 92 21:09:47 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/20.18 - cmhGate UF Gateway, Columbus OH

lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein) writes:

LR> First, a Word processor shouldn't have a Delete Files command. 
LR> That's an example of the trend towards bloated apps. 

Well, I think such a feature comes from both the DOS world and from the days
before MultiFinder was a commonly used feature.  There were (and probably are)
many people who just use their computers as word processing machines.  In such
situations, a Delete Files... command would be very nice to have.  (In DOS
WordPerfect, you can do most general file management from within WP itself-
rename, move, copy, look at files, etc.) In fact, I've heard of some people
referring to their computers as "the WordPerfect machine."  It's set to boot
up w/WP, and as far as these people are concerned, it's dedicated to that task
and can't do anything else.  They don't know anything else.  In such a
situtation--perhaps uncommon, but still--the Delete Files makes good sense.

DISCLAIMER:  I'm the first guy to complain about the trend toward bloated apps
  Perhaps nowadays this feature can and should be thrown out.  But I'm sure
that it's fairly low on the list of things to be trashed.

--Adam--
 
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From: kayser@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Susan E. Kayser NSSDC/STX (301)513-1673)
Subject: RE: Tricky Word 4.0 Question...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:30:00 GMT

In article <920536.2A74E37F@cmhgate.fidonet.org>, Adam.Frix@p18.f20.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Adam Frix) writes...
><RXM108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
> 
>-> I have a large table... very large, over 2,000 rows. Within 
>-> it I have several columns, the first being a blank column 
>-> where the row number will eventually go. The row numbers will 
>-> be sequentially numbered from 1 to 2000+. I was thinking of 
>-> porting this out to Excel, however, the last column contains 
>-> several commas which I need, and the other cells all contain 
>-> paragraph markers. Before I go number this sucker by hand 
>-> or write a program to read it all in, parse it and spit it 
>-> out, I was hoping someone can tell me if it is possible to 
>-> make a macro or automatic sequencing method of some sort for 
>-> this..
> 
Try this:  Open an new Excel document, enter a 1 in e.g. A1.  From the Data 
menu, select Series..., then in the dialog box enter 2000 or whatever you need 
in the Stop box.  The Step Value should be one, and you want to enter by 
Columns; click OK.  This will create the column of row numbers.  Select the 
numbered boxes and Copy.  Then, with your Word document open, move to the first
line in the blank column in your Word table, and Paste. 


Susan Kayser		NCF::KAYSER  or  kayser%nssdca.span@star.stanford.edu
Hughes/STX at NASA/GSFC/NSSDC
Greenbelt, MD
From: delaney@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (John Delaney)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Silverlining vs. ? [LONG]
Date: 21 Jul 92 13:36:40 GMT
Reply-To: delaney@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (John Delaney)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: delaney@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (John Delaney)
Subject: Silverlining vs. ?
Reply-To: delaney@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (John Delaney)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 92 13:20:34 GMT

Two weeks ago, I posted a query about Silverling and its new
competitors. What follows is my original posting and all the responses
either direct or posted to this group.

John

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: delaney@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (John Delaney)
Subject: Silverlining vs. ?
Reply-To: delaney@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (John Delaney)
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 92 13:20:34 GMT

Once upon a time, Silcerlining was the gold (silver?) standard for HD
formating tools. But that was bacl when La Cie was an independent
company. Is it still the case now? Is FWB's new software better? Is
somebody elses?

I ask because I am looking at a $50 upgrade fee from 5.27 one of these
days and I don't want to bet that $50 on a horse that can no longer
keep up the pace.

John the cheap
--
From: lhccjeh@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: 7 Jul 92 02:28:23 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

From: lhccjeh@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: 7 Jul 92 02:28:23 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

In article <1992Jul6.132034.1923@xn.ll.mit.edu>, 
	delaney@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (John Delaney) writes:
> Once aupon a time, Silcerlining was the gold (silver?) standard for HD
> formating tools. But that was bacl when La Cie was an independent
> company. Is it still the case now? Is FWB's new software better? Is
> somebody elses?
> 
> I ask because I am looking at a $50 upgrade fee from 5.27 one of these
> days and I don't want to bet that $50 on a horse that can no longer
> keep up the pace.
> 
> John the cheap
I use silverlining too. I have the Hard Disk Tool kit and it looks like a
really great package but I won't use it for my hard disk for one simple reason.
In order to mount a partition you need to launch the main program. Whereas
with silverlining you simply access a DA. This convenience outweighs any
esoteric advantages that HDT may have over silverlining [at least in my case]
My current version of silverlining is 5.31 which is happily working on 
my IIsi, SE/30 and MacPlus, all under system 7.01 and, in the case of the IIsi
with 32bit on.

James
_____________________________________________________________________________
James Hale     			Lincoln School of Health Sciences
Computing Unit			La Trobe University,Bundoora, AUSTRALIA
                                
James.Hale@Latrobe.Edu.Au
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The grace of God rests gently on forgiving eyes,
and everything they look on speaks of Him to the beholder.
He can see no evil, nothing in the world to fear,
and no one who is different from himself."
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: Jonathan A. Duke <jonathan@hermes.bc.edu>
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Organization: Boston College
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1992 13:13:42 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: Jonathan A. Duke <jonathan@hermes.bc.edu>
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Organization: Boston College
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1992 13:13:42 GMT

Subject: Silverlining vs. ?
From: John Delaney, delaney@XN.LL.MIT.EDU
In article <1992Jul6.132034.1923@xn.ll.mit.edu> John Delaney,
delaney@XN.LL.MIT.EDU writes:
>Once aupon a time, Silcerlining was the gold (silver?) standard for HD
>formating tools. But that was bacl when La Cie was an independent
>company. Is it still the case now? Is FWB's new software better? Is
>somebody elses?
>
>I ask because I am looking at a $50 upgrade fee from 5.27 one of these
>days and I don't want to bet that $50 on a horse that can no longer
>keep up the pace.

I have both, and I prefer Hard Disk Toolkit.  Also, FWB has just
started to advertise a "personal" version.  I don't know how it
differs from the full version.

I feel safer with HDT, and figure that I can get decent tech support
from FWB.  LaCie support is miserable, and I won't spend money to 
support them until they clean up their act.

Jon
From: yahnke@macc.wisc.edu (Ross Yahnke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: 7 Jul 92 15:49:02 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2

From: yahnke@macc.wisc.edu (Ross Yahnke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: 7 Jul 92 15:49:02 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b2

In article <1992Jul7.122823.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> ,
lhccjeh@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
>I use silverlining too. I have the Hard Disk Tool kit and it looks like a
>really great package but I won't use it for my hard disk for one simple
reason.
>In order to mount a partition you need to launch the main program.
Whereas
>with silverlining you simply access a DA. This convenience outweighs any

FWB's v1.1 of Hard Disk Toolkit includes a "HDT Mounter" da which will do 
what you want. 

- Ross
                                     Madison Academic Computing Center
                                               University of Wisconsin
                                                          608.262.8626
From: weinhous@roentgen.RadOnc.Duke.EDU (Marty Weinhous (guest))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: 7 Jul 92 17:01:39 GMT
Organization: Radiation Oncology, Hahnemann U, Phil PA, 215/448-8616

From: weinhous@roentgen.RadOnc.Duke.EDU (Marty Weinhous (guest))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: 7 Jul 92 17:01:39 GMT
Organization: Radiation Oncology, Hahnemann U, Phil PA, 215/448-8616

My experience with LaCie has been awful! Their customer support is the
worst that I have encountered. I would NOT spend another 5 cents on any
of their products!

Just one person's opinion...

-- 

 Marty Weinhous, Ph.D.			weinhous@radonc.hahnemann.edu
 Radiation Oncology, Hahnemann U.
 Philadelphia, PA 19102,		215/448-8616
From: ags@seaman.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Seaman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: 7 Jul 92 18:28:41 GMT

From: ags@seaman.cc.purdue.edu (Dave Seaman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: 7 Jul 92 18:28:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul7.122823.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au>  
lhccjeh@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:
> I use silverlining too. I have the Hard Disk Tool kit and it looks like  
a
> really great package but I won't use it for my hard disk for one simple  
reason.
> In order to mount a partition you need to launch the main program.  
Whereas
> with silverlining you simply access a DA. This convenience outweighs any
> esoteric advantages that HDT may have over silverlining [at least in my  
case]

So, when are you planning to upgrade to System 7? There is no difference  
anymore between applications and DAs, at least as far as ease of use is  
concerned.

I am using HDT lite, with the application installed in the Apple menu, but  
I don't need it very often because all my partitions and cartridges are  
automounting.

--
Dave Seaman
ags@seaman.cc.purdue.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: parag@netcom.com (Parag Patel)
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 92 20:57:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: parag@netcom.com (Parag Patel)
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 92 20:57:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

>I have both, and I prefer Hard Disk Toolkit.  Also, FWB has just
>started to advertise a "personal" version.  I don't know how it
>differs from the full version.

I think that they came out with the cheaper version because of
competition from Drive7 from Casa Blanca Works.  I use Drive7 and I've
been quite happy with it.  You can't go wrong with either FWB or Drive7.


	-- Parag Patel <parag@Netcom.COM>
From: knapp@cs.utexas.edu (Edgar Knapp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: 7 Jul 1992 22:28:05 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: muleshoe.cs.utexas.edu

From: knapp@cs.utexas.edu (Edgar Knapp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: 7 Jul 1992 22:28:05 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: muleshoe.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Jul7.122823.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> lhccjeh@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:

>In order to mount a partition you need to launch the main program. Whereas
>with silverlining you simply access a DA. This convenience outweighs any
>esoteric advantages that HDT may have over silverlining [at least in my case]

Why wouldn't the MountEm FKEY, or SCISProbe, SCSIInfo, or other
similar tools mount partitions faster and more conveniently regardless
of whether HDT or SilverLining is used? I happen to have SilverLining
myself, but I haven't used the SilverVolumes DA in ages.

Edgar





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From: aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.)
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Reply-To: aland@cs.brandeis.edu
Organization: As little as possible
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1992 16:29:50 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.)
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Reply-To: aland@cs.brandeis.edu
Organization: As little as possible
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1992 16:29:50 GMT

knapp@cs.utexas.edu (Edgar Knapp) writes:
>In article <1992Jul7.122823.1@lure.latrobe.edu.au> lhccjeh@lure.latrobe.edu.au writes:

>>In order to mount a partition you need to launch the main program. Whereas
>>with silverlining you simply access a DA. This convenience outweighs any
>>esoteric advantages that HDT may have over silverlining [at least in my case]

>Why wouldn't the MountEm FKEY, or SCISProbe, SCSIInfo, or other
>similar tools mount partitions faster and more conveniently regardless
>of whether HDT or SilverLining is used? I happen to have SilverLining
>myself, but I haven't used the SilverVolumes DA in ages.

The reason is that some people (myself included) have partitions which
are used for backup, or for infrequently used applications and data.
Because we use the partitions infrequently, we have them set to _not_
mount automatically when we boot the Mac.  This way, it 1) doesn't
take as long to boot, 2) the partitions are not _as_ likely to be
corrupted if something crashes the system during SCSI operations, 3)
We have a managable number of volumes on the desktop (I have between 4
and 6 normally, not counting floppies or Syquest cartridges), and 4),
it gives us yet another measure of control over the computer.  "No,
you can't look at that disk until _I_ say you can." *grin*

If you have all your partitions (or just a single partition) mount
automatically, you have no need to distinguish this way.

	-=Alan
From: cory@enigami.mv.com (Cory Kempf)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 12:06:13 EST
Organization: EnigamI, Inc., Nashua, NH
Reply-To: cory@enigami.mv.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v5

From: cory@enigami.mv.com (Cory Kempf)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 12:06:13 EST
Organization: EnigamI, Inc., Nashua, NH
Reply-To: cory@enigami.mv.com


In article <1992Jul6.132034.1923@xn.ll.mit.edu> (comp.sys.mac.apps), delaney@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (John Delaney) writes:
>Once aupon a time, Silcerlining was the gold (silver?) standard for HD
>formating tools. But that was bacl when La Cie was an independent
>company. Is it still the case now? Is FWB's new software better? Is
>somebody elses?

I think that Silverlining's day has come and gone.  This may have
something to do with having it trash my disk, or it may have something
to do with the $50 upgrade fees for minor version incriments (bug
fixes, actually), or it may have something to do with them not even 
telling me that they were available.

FWB has (or had, I don't know if it is still on) a side grade from
silverlining for $100.  I have used SilverLining, Drive7, Appolyonics,
and FWB.  Drive7 is nice, if all you want is a simple partition. 
If you want to do anything fancy, such as custom Mac partitions, A/UX,
etc. then forget it.

Appolyonics & FWB are high end packages.  I like FWB a bit better
than the Appolyonics stuff, but both are quite functional (well, I
did run into a minor bug with the Appolyonics password protection and a
Q900, but...).

I ended up buying FWB, cause of the price ($99.00).  From what I have
seen, it was worth it.

+C


-------------------------------------------------------------
Cory Kempf                    EnigamI, Inc.
cory@enigami.mv.com           ...!decvax!enigami!cory
Annon:	wi.5036@wizvax.methuen.ma.us
"Reporter : Mr Gandhi, what do you think of Western Civilization ?
Gandhi : I think it would be a good idea."
From: dent@DIALix.oz.au (Andrew Dent)
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 92 17:13:28 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: dent@DIALix.oz.au (Andrew Dent)
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 92 17:13:28 GMT

Nobody has yet stated which of the drivers is faster?

I can't believe that Drive7 would be as fast as SilverLining or Hard Disk
Toolkit, simply based on price (if you can prove it I'll rush out and buy
it tomorrow!).

Andy Dent (A.D. Software - Mac & VAX programming)
94 Bermuda Dve, BALLAJURA  Western Australia  6066
Phone/Fax: 09 249 2719 (local)  +619 249 2719 (International)
       Internet: dent@DIALix.oz.au    Compuserve: 100033,3241
From: lhccjeh@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: 10 Jul 92 07:26:20 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

From: lhccjeh@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: 10 Jul 92 07:26:20 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

In article <1992Jul09.171328.12376@DIALix.oz.au>, 
	dent@DIALix.oz.au (Andrew Dent) writes:
> Nobody has yet stated which of the drivers is faster?
> 
> I can't believe that Drive7 would be as fast as SilverLining or Hard Disk
> Toolkit, simply based on price (if you can prove it I'll rush out and buy
> it tomorrow!).
> 
Can't speak for Drive 7 but HDT seems faster than Silverlining, at least
on the LCII 4MB HD40 I installed it on.

James-- 
_____________________________________________________________________________
James Hale     			Lincoln School of Health Sciences
Computing Unit			La Trobe University,Bundoora, AUSTRALIA
                                
James.Hale@Latrobe.Edu.Au
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The grace of God rests gently on forgiving eyes,
and everything they look on speaks of Him to the beholder.
He can see no evil, nothing in the world to fear,
and no one who is different from himself."
						Text, P 418
_____________________________________________________________________________
From: lhccjeh@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: 10 Jul 92 07:30:13 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

From: lhccjeh@lure.latrobe.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Silverlining vs. ?
Date: 10 Jul 92 07:30:13 GMT
Organization: VAX Cluster, Computer Centre, La Trobe University

In article <WEINBERG.92Jul9011457@eniac.seas.upenn.edu>, 
	weinberg@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Geoff Weinberg) writes:
> The one reason I use Silverlining is that it allows one to resize
> partitions without having to initialize.  Do competing products allow
> you to do this?  Granted, I don't do much resizing now that things are
> where I want them, but when I first set my drive up, I had no idea how
> much room I would need and where.
> 
> If the other programs do not allow this resizing without initializing,
> why not?  Does Silverlining use a software partition?

Both Silverlining and HDT use HARD Partions. [Nortons (SUM) uses Soft]

Both allow the partitions to be resized without initialization, assuming
of course you have enough free space.

James
_____________________________________________________________________________
James Hale     			Lincoln School of Health Sciences
Computing Unit			La Trobe University,Bundoora, AUSTRALIA
                                
James.Hale@Latrobe.Edu.Au
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"The grace of God rests gently on forgiving eyes,
and everything they look on speaks of Him to the beholder.
He can see no evil, nothing in the world to fear,
and no one who is different from himself."
						Text, P 418
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