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From: Chrys Pelegris <chrysp@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Why 30 minute show?
X-To: CHRIS ANDERSON
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 00:00:48 GMT

CA>Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
  >From: chrisa@fc.hp.com
  > (Chris Anderson)
  >Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
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CA>For those of you who have not seen ``Fistful of Datas'', !!SPOILERS AHOY!!



CA>I have  looked  through  several  postings  in this group  about the recent T
  >episode  ``Fistful of Datas'' and not ONE person  mentioned  that the show on
  >lasted 30 minutes  this week!  At least on Denver's  KWGN and  Cheyenne's  KG
  >they both aired a 30 minute  version of the show.  I mean, what's going on?
  >6:00 pm Saturday night I flip on the show and I catch the opening  credits.
  >6:30 the  closing  credits  are rolling  up!  The show had what  seemed  like
  >fairly normal plot:  beginning,  middle, and end (with Worf's smile at the ve
  >end!), but it also  seemed  like a lot of the  detail in the show was  missin

    Interesting, according to what I've read, that is QUITE illegal (chopping
    up first run episodes).. I'd recommend you write to your station and complai
    and to P'mount to kick their butts and make sure they don't do it again.  I'
    be quite upset if they chopped it up in HALF up here..

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From: news@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: TNG Grade Report: "The Quality Of Life"
Date: 22 Nov 92 19:12:42 GMT
Organization: McGill University

*SPOILERS*

























>              Though  I  found it interesting  that they  decided even   after
>saving the particle fountain not to use the exocomps as workers anymore.  What
>if the  exocomps  *want* to  be used as workers?   After  all, that's how they
>learn!  A little more thought was needed there.
>
Michael Rawdon's reaction was closest to my own.  (C+ sounds a bit low
but I understand this to be a typical grade for a typical show.)  The
above matter about using the exocomps as tools was not a problem for
me though since there is clearly a difference between a "worker" and a
"tool".

I did like the direction.  The scenes where the station was shaking
were some of the best I'd ever seen on Trek (in which tilting the
camera and everyone falls is usually a reason to laugh).  The scene
in which the exocomps save the day will probably go down as one of
this season's memorable scenes.  I didn't see this coming, BTW,
particularly since, after "Home Soil" and "Evolution", I honestly
expected the exocomps to try and take over the ship.  That they
didn't was a pleasant surprise.

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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Where are the VULCANS on TNG?
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:36:12 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <92321.135535JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu> JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu (Jeffrey S. Payne) writes:
>In article <g92n3258.68.721916186@giraffe.ru.ac.za>, g92n3258@giraffe.ru.ac.za
>(MR RL NICOL) says:
>
>>Besides "Sarek" and "Unification", they appear in "Encounter at Farpoint"
>>and "Conspiracy"
>
>Also First Duty (on the review board) and the episode where data is possessed
>the old guy that was Soong's "friend" (the vulcan doctor mmentioned beofore)


Dr Selar (played by the same actress as K'Ehleyr, Suzie Plakson) is also
a Vulcan.. she appears in "The Schizoid Man" and I think one other...


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From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Amusing Season 6 errors (None posted previously)
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:56:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov17.185621.19897
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)

In article <gp2001-171192015521@m248-112.bgsu.edu> gp2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Greg Pallenik) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.105307.12408@reed.edu>, odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
>wrote:
>>   From "Fistfull of Datas":  When Pa Hollinder (Data) is finished talking to
>>   Eli (Data) at the jail, Pa turns away to walk back over to Worf.  When he
>>   does so, the edge of his left arm crosses the limit of the travelling wipe
>>   and disappears for a moment.       
>
>Believe it or not, there are some things that just can't be done.  I

  I do occasional FX work for a local TV station.  This is not one of those
  things that "can't be done."  Otherwise, they'd never be able to do *any*
  of their ship scenes.  Or, indeed, most any of their other scenes.

>believe that sacrificing Data's arm for "a moment" in order to maintain the
>FX is a worthwhile casuality.  Besides, I'm sure Data didn't feel a thing.

  But they've done this right before.  Many times.  In every episode where
  Spiner plays more than one character.  That's why it's called a Travelling
  wipe:  You can move it.  They didn't this time.  Ie: Error.
>> 
>>   From "Rascals" (perhaps the most error-ridden episode of Trek to date): Not
>>   only does the transporter give Picard a full head of hair, but it cuts and
>>   styles it as well?  [His hair is very obviously cut even across the back --
>>   It's not so much an error as an observation]
>
>Well of course Picard has hair, he's 12!  How many bald twelve year old's
>do you know?

  I wasn't arguing with the existence of the hair (although that's pretty
  widgy too...).  The point of that line was that the transporter not only 
  gave Picard hair, but Cut it and Styled it to boot!  All the other kids
  had existing hair which came through as normal (except maybe Guinan), but
  Picard had no such thing.  I had images of Mr Mott being fired and people 
  would instead go to O'brien ("I think I'd like a 38 inch beehive today, 
  Miles."  "Yes Sir, Mr Worf.") for their hair needs.  Crewcut to Big Hair
  in 10 seconds...
 
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: ST:VII - Entertainment Weekly
Organization: Yale University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 23:27:26 EST

In article <BxzK8I.B5E@news.ucs.mun.ca>
cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  ) writes:
>>
>>Oh lord!  Why can't we just end this gracefully ...
>
>Sayyyyy, you don't think that it's the Academy movie, do you? Lord knows
>that idea has been beating around for such a bloody long time. It would
>certainly be better than the old crew making another go at it. Let's
>face it, they are getting up there.
>
>An academy movie would be interesting. The comic book story with the
>crew at the academy was quite good, so there may be hope for this idea
>after all.
>
 
   I vote strongly AGAINST the Academy movie with younger versions of the
original cast.  For one thing the new actors will have to live upto the
original actors' mannerisms and ideosyncracies; but also, for the most
part, prequels (such as Young Sherlock Holmes) always fail to live upto
the original (IMHO).
   If they do want to do an Academy movie, at least have the integrity to
use new characters, with perhaps the older cast members as instructors.
ST should be about looking forward; not digging up the past.
 
 
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   "INSANITY IS A VIRTUALLY IMPREGNABLE GAMBIT...
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From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Saturday Night Review "The Quality of Life" SPOILERS!
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:12:39 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

In article <1eobl3INNrs8@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, satch@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Victor Corbin) writes:
> <1992Nov21.192524.369@rivers> says
>>Steven.K.Manfred says he'd give it a 9.3
> 
> A 9.3. A 9.3 What was this guy thinking.  This was buy far the cheesyest 
> episode of STTNG.  And really bad cheese at that.  It had many of the chedder
> qualities of STOS except they had an excuse. They time period. Don't get me 
> wrong TOS was good.  Unlike "The Quality of Life."
> 
> I think should take a good look at who he calls good actors and actresses.
> The woman who played the docter was awful.  She couldn't act to save her life.
> She a potentionally good episode sound like a cross between a bad commercial 
> and "The Brady Bunch"  "When my reactor core breaks down I use one of these,
> The Exo-Comp. Its fast easy and there's no messy clup"  What the Hell!
> 
> I Give this episode a capital "R" for Rotten Cheese
> 

OK, I'll give you that *one* line, but otherwise I don't see your points
at all.  
And don't knock cheese, I'm from Wisconsin!  :)


> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> *******************************************************************************
> |  SATCH WAS HERE! or was it there? Oh I always get those two things mixed up |
> |  doees everyone do this or I'm the only person who does this?               |
> |                                             -me                             |
From: tonyg@byron.u.washington.edu (Anthony Gades)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: I wanna Fistful of Troy!!!
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:57:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Nov16.185733.16677
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Nov16.084230.3993@wkuvx1.bitnet> pattecd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>
>     All analytical observations aside, I thought Troy looked rather
>sexy in her leather pants!  8)
>

In reference to the Subject line:  "I wanna Fistful of Troy [sic]"
it would appear that indeed there are plenty of fistfuls to go around.

-tony
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From: margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: The non-singing Judd
Keywords: is she on ST:NG
Date: 20 Nov 92 21:24:35 GMT
Followup-To: poster

Okay, we're having this arguement in the office today.  One woman
says that the non-singing Judd (of the Judds, you know, Naomi and
Wynona, and then there's another daughter) is on ST:NG as a regular.
Another woman says no, that she's mistaken.  I think she might
have been on as a guest.  I think I remember hearing something about
it.

Can someone please help us settle this?  What's her name on the show,
and if it was just an episode, what was the name of the episode or if
this is just an unfounded rumor.

We thank you in advance!

Please send responses to:

margaret@cs.arizona.edu





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From: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM)
Subject: What's the name of the next week episode?
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:06:55 GMT

Hi, 
	What's the name of the next week episode?  I just saw "A Fist full of
Datas".  Can someone email me the name and plot of the next week's episode
so that I will know what to expect.

Thanks

Siva
From: pattecd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: I wanna Fistful of Troy!!!
Date: 16 Nov 92 08:42:30 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY


     All analytical observations aside, I thought Troy looked rather
sexy in her leather pants!  8)


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From: dfinch@fraser.sfu.ca (Derek Finch)
Subject: Re: Points to Ponder: Fistful of Datas
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:27:04 GMT

>----------Smokers of the world unite! Overthrow the Nazi non-smoker
>	  oppression!  
>	  "It's soooo bad for you!"
>	  "Yeah, and so is running...horrible on the knees"

Yes.  We must unite against the KGB backed anti-smoking lobby!
Jesse Helms commands it.  So let it be written, so let it be done!

(said with semi-maniacal look in eyes.

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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: Guinan's age
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:04:07 GMT

>> Just thought I would mention that we know for 100% fact what age range
>> Guinan is in! First of all we know she is over 500 years old due to Time's
>> Arrow. And secondly, she mentions her father is under 700 so she must at
>> least be younger than her father. Therefore, Guinan's age is in the range:
>> 
>> 500 < Guinan < 700.
>> 
>> 200 year range, but better than we knew before.

> Who's to say she didn't travel forward in time at some point between Time's
> Arrow and "the present"?  The fact that she became a "child" in Rascal's
> might suggest she's not nearly as old as we thought... or, was it just
> another continuity blooper by the Treknocreators?

What I have said is 100% in agreement with what we have seen on the screen
to date. What you have said 'might suggest' nothing...You are not looking at
the PROCESS in which she was made young. The part of her genetic structure that
is added once a child starts to fully mature and then slightly more is added
as this fully develops was removed. Therefore, she could be a million years
old and she would have still been made into a child. She even hinted that she
has not been a child for a LONG time.

Now if they simply went through a beam that took 30 years off your life we
would expect to see Guinan pretty much as she is now and the other people at
varying states of age, but this is not what happened. Ro and Picard are
much different in age on a Human scale, but they were both transfered into
the same age range.
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: change of spot.
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:46:59 EST

 -=> On 11-18-92  23:56, Dave Isaacs babbled to All saying: <=-

 DI> Has Spot been changing since I first saw him.  I think the first time
 DI> he (or she) was seen was in the episode where the ship is being hit by
 DI> those pockets of dimensional non-existence (or something like that). 
 DI> In that episode I thought he had long fluffy haired grey-brown fur.  In
 DI> A Fist Full of Datas he had short light orange fur...

From what I've heard, the original Spot died.  I have no idea what breed
of cat it was, but it was orange (Tabby?).  Anyways, in "A Fistful of
Datas" they got a new cat to play Spot which Spiner calls Spot II.  :-)


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From: jsnell@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason Snell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: SPOILEReview: "A Fistful of Datas"
Date: 15 Nov 1992 22:09:44 GMT
Organization: The SPOILEReview Factory
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

SPOILERS


Okay.

I've missed two weeks and am late with this one, mostly because
I've got mononucleosis and have just finished 10 days at home in
bed. So sue me.

Anyway, I'll also make this one brief so I can go back to sleep.. :)

I don't quite know what to think about "Fistful." Parts of it I
really enjoyed, but there were a few minor points that bothered me.

+ Picard: "I'm not much of an actor."

+ Picard with the flute from "Inner Light".

+ No technobabble during the data's memory investigation.

+ The return of "Ode to Spot."

+ An enjoyable little holodeck session.

+ Some fun jokes.

+ Spot!

+ No real "E-in-danger" plot.

o Alexander was passable, for once.

o Troi was passable, for once.

- If the holodeck is this dangerous (at least four times it's threatened
   the safety of the ship), why keep it on?

- Worf's lame communicator scheme. I'd prefer a low-tech solution, thanks..

I enjoyed the scenes with Data speaking through his "old west" language
filter, too. And I'll cast my vote for the final shot being VERY fun,
VERY cute, and VERY appropriate. I really liked it... And after all,
a show like Star Trek has always had a lot in common with westerns
(remember "Wagon Train to the stars"?)... so it fit for me.

A few points off for the re-use of the holodeck and some jokes that
didn't work, but it was a light, funny show that didn't blow up in
the viewers face like, oh.. "Qpid."

Grade: B.

Season to date:

Time's Arrow II: C
Realm of Fear: C+
Man of the People: D+
Relics: A
Schisms: B
True Q: C+ (Not great, but not bad...)
Rascals: B- (Fun, but silly and ridiculous.)
A Fistful of Datas: B

Next week: could be good. I'm not quite as afraid of this season as I
once was.

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From: dlou@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Sexism and the Dorm-Rec review of "Fist Full of Datas" (spoilers)
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:26:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.41097
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <BxtF20.921@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> sager@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Brian) writes:

|>      We're pissed that Troi saved Worf's ass, not because she's a female,
|>but because we hate Troi.  Ro (or even Yar if she was around) could save
|>Worf without a peep form us, but Troi...give me a break.  That's like
|>Alexander saving the big E by firing photon torpedoes at Romulan War
|>Birds.  My point is that Troi's character is not that of someone who
|>should be 'packing heat'.

My guess is that Troi's entrance was programmed.  This would explain
why little Alex was so pissed when Worf cleaned house so easily.

-- 
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From: wlm10@cd.amdahl.com (William L Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: re: Where are the VULCANS on TNG?
Date: 17 Nov 92 23:32:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <92321.135535JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu>, JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu (Jeffrey
S. Payne) writes:
>In article <g92n3258.68.721916186@giraffe.ru.ac.za>,
>g92n3258@giraffe.ru.ac.za
>(MR RL NICOL) says:
>
>>Besides "Sarek" and "Unification", they appear in "Encounter at
>Farpoint"
>>and "Conspiracy"
>
>Also First Duty (on the review board) and the episode where data is
>possessed
>the old guy that was Soong's "friend" (the vulcan doctor mmentioned
>beofore)

I think the Boseman had a Vulcan first officer . . .

. . . but I wouldn't swear to it.

-Bill
 wlm10@cd.amdahl.com
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From: wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson)
Subject: Re: How fast is Scotty's loaner shuttle?
Organization: SPS
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:46:59 GMT

In article <tomcat.722270956@cwis> tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)  
writes:
> The shuttle that Scotty was given is capable of low warp speeds..I think
> warp 2 is the most it can do.  I don't have my handy-dandy tech manual  
with
> me, so I can't really be sure, but it is capable of warp speeds.
> 
Well warp to is "stock" after scotty tinkers with it who knows...
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Points to Ponder: Fistful of Datas
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:38:28 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

> John McBride--in my ow writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <Bxtn26.BpA@mail.boi.hp.com>
> Posted: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 18:22:5
>
> Org.  : Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
>
> :
> : >           (2) My first reaction when Worf shot the gun out of "Data's"
> hand
> : >  was "Impossible!  Worf's not that good a shot." ;)
> :
> : Actually, my reaction was a groan.  D'you think a Wild West Sherriff
> would
> : really try to hit the *gun*?  (Espcaially at that distance?)  Only on
> Star
> : Trek: The Bloodless Generation.
> :
> Maybe he had been watching Rustlers Rapsody, a western parody with
> Tom Berenger.  In that movie, the good-guys never shoot anything except
> for the hands, and they never shoot other good-guys.


RR was a great movie, btw..

But remember that Worf was essentially dealing with a copy of _Data_ here, so
shooting him in the chest might not have been effective at all (remember Troi
in the Q-Pid episode when she stuck an arrow through Data?  Her shooting
skills have improved since then, at least!)


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