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From: jprad@faatcrl.faa.gov (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Date: 17 Nov 1992 09:43:30 -0500
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Pomona, NJ
Distribution: world
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colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Colin) writes:

> Just because you're not taking the authors 'disk' doesn't mean you're
>not taking his property.

  Piracy gets mucked up because of the concept of intellectual property and 
theft of same when it comes to copying software.  Although there is a legal 
definition of this type of theft, people who can only think in materialistic 
terms don't categorize it the same since the original still exists after it 
was copied.

  The focus has to be shifted to the benefit that the software gives someone
when they use it, not how often they use it.

  -jack-
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From: sjchmura@quads.uchicago.edu (steven joseph chmura)
Subject: Re: WB3.0 & ECS machines - a thought
Reply-To: sjchmura@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 09:13:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.153533.19416@cs.mun.ca> colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Colin) writes:
>In article <1ea5vnINN24g@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov16.205351.9965@cs.mun.ca> colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Colin) writes:
>>>But 3.0 works fine on ECS machines. WB2.1 contains everything an ECS only
>>>user needs from 3.0. 
>>
>>Not.
>>
>>DataTypes and AmigaGuide are both two BIG things that aren't in 2.1,
>>but are in 3.0 in full force.
>
> AmigaGuide comes with some applications anyway, and the only thing using
>DataTypes so far is MultiView. So there you are, you're missing a text/picture
>viewer. Big deal. If you want 3.0, get an AGA machine. If you can't afford

Well, not really.

Graphics library has been improved almost 300% for many functions (source:
George Robbins/Shanson).  This allows a A1200 w/no fast ram to outporform
an A3000 for many tasks.  



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From: kev@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Kevin Walsh)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:   NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:23:29 GMT
Organization: Cursor Software Limited, London, England

In article <root.02vl@rkamiga.UUCP> root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
> 
> In Mass, that depends.  At MCI Framingham, which is the only women's prison
> in the state, one out of four inmates has HIV/AIDS, cells are overcrowded,
> and rape and violence are common.
> 
Rape? common in a women's prison? nah.  You must be in the wrong group.  This
is c.s.a.advocasy - not alt.gun.waving.dipshits or talk.rape.

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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Notebook Computers Dominate Comdex
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:32:03 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <By1vnx.7HM@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   Commodore would be in the notebook computer market with a notebook Amiga
>if their engineers could develop one.

Marc, this sounds to be about 50% insult to their intelligence, 50%
challenge, and about 50% slam on C= engineering in general.

Not to mince words, (mince) but you should really be more careful the
way you put things.  You should know better.

Greg

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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shut the fuck up!!!!
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:02:08 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <SUOPANKI.92Nov20225132@stekt5.oulu.fi> by suopanki@stekt5.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki):

> Ever heard of OS/2 or Unix and Windows mulktitask seamless enough

    Unix and Windows don't multitask seamlessly enough for me. I think
    Unix is a bit unwieldy for a single-user personal computer, and
    Windows sucks and is too "crashworthy".

> -Heikki
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From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: comp.sys.amiga for non-amiga postings?
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 04:46:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.110128.20216@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, ins739l@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (William Fang) writes:
|> 
|> Perhaps we should use comp.sys.amiga for political postings, etc instead of
|> filling c.s.a.advocacy and the other newsgroups...

We could always take the Amiga discussions to alt.politics, if people feel so
comfortable discussing the Presidency here...

|> I guess if people are going to talk politics, then even if they posted in the
|> correct newsgroups, the amount of bandwidth used is going to be the same.

Yes, but it's disorganized, messy bandwidth! And dammit, that makes me MAD!

8)

|> Anyway, my brother and I think this would be a good idea (tm).

Well, my pet hamster Willie thinks that my idea is an Even Better Solution (c),
so there!

|> Regards,
|> 
|> William Fang

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From: lodi@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (fabrizio lodi)
Subject: Re: HEIDI'S DECISION. Was: Oh My God, help my friend not buy an IBM
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:16:33 GMT

Hallo Erik. For first i have to beg your pardon for my bad english.

Now talk about IBM and Amiga. I use the first and the second, and many
other computers, from VME to UNIX systems. The power I've found in
the Amiga is unique. It only depends on your money :-) and on 
industies' creativity. Everithing can done. 
Open the WorkBench screen in 4 colours. Then open another screen
in HAM (use Dpaint or an image viewer). Now drag one screen to the
half of the monitor. Now you have one screen on another. One with
4 colour and one with 4096 colours. Open the WorkBench at 620x512 and
you also have a 4 colour hi-res screen and a 4096 colou low-res screen.
One on another. There isn't any computer capable of doing that.
Noone can because noone have the hardware for doing multiscreen.
Yes, you can simulate screens with no-bordered windows. But you can't
simulate the two-resulution-or-more-on-the-same-monitor!!!!
This is only an example!
You can install CrossDos and show to friends how can Amiga read and
write MS-DOS floppy with no problem.
You can run PC-Task and show how can you run MS-DOS software in 
multi-tasking!!! (run more copies of PC-TASK!!!!)
You can plug in A-max and show how can you read Mac floppy and
run Mac software (with an accellerated machine) much more faster
than on a Quadra!!!!!!!!!!!

Why you have to buy a PC!!!

You buy a A4000, wait for the new release of PC-TASK that will surely
emulate the color-VGA an will run as a 486 (the actual version emulate
only the CGA, but still run as a 386), install A-Max an you have a     
speeded Quadra, a PeeCee, and a WONDERFUL computer as is the Amiga.

		Think aout it!!!!!!

P.S. I and some friends of mine on a '030 accellerated Amiga
     have launched A-Max, and then Soft-Pc for Mac;result:
       A 16Mhz 386!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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From: colins@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Colin)
Subject: Re: New 100 mhz RISC chip, emulate '040 and 486 for fraction of cost.
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 19:18:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.063217.8349@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>I love how Byte sticks these things in sidebars...

  I read that too. I don't think it even belongs in a the 'Rumors' column
of Amazing Amiga, let alone a sidebar in Byte.

>Apparently, a company called IMS claims to have produced a 100 mhz
>RISC chip that is dirt cheap... how'd ya like an '040 / 486 Amiga
>that can emulate a Mac or ST or run Unix, for $1500?

 You know what they say: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

>Thom

Colin Stuckless
colins@cs.mun.ca
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:03:32 GMT

In article <rjpogain.722158851@syzygy> rjpogain@socs.uts.edu.au (r j pogainis)
writes:

>With all this fuss about wanting a Word calibre word processor for the Amiga,
>has anyone seen Final Copy II?  This is supposed to all the features that
>everyone seems to want!

Nope, but it's getting closer.

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From: remilld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jason Remillard)
Subject: Re: Sega stats. VS. Amiga
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:28:44 GMT

In <1992Nov17.215302.29266@news.uit.no> terjem@stud.cs.uit.no (Terje Normann Marthinussen) writes:

>In article <hgm.722004736@news.ncsu.edu>, hgm@ncsu.edu (Hal G. Meeks) writes:
>>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>
>>>In article <Bxu744.KnM@ccu.umanitoba.ca> remilld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jason Remillard) writes:

>>>>BTW, he figures that the Amiga is strictly a games machine.....So naturally
>>>>I want to show him that the Sega is nothing but a piece of shit....
>>
>>Actually, it isn't. The fact that the Sega is a dedicated game system means
>>that it has no multitasking OS (in different versions) to worry about.
>>Programmers are free to bash the hardware as they wish. 
>>
>>I have a lot of games that ceased to work when I got my 3000. No such
>>problem with my Genesis. 

>Ok, lets put in another aspect too.
>Hardware compatibility. 

>Change the hardware to much on a new Genesis, and you could have more
>compatibility problems than on the Amiga just becasue of the lack of OS.

>Anyway, most game programmers on the Amiga, if not all (until the days of 3.0 and
>AGA at least) don't worry much about the OS.

Is it also true that the CD-ROM device also houses a 68000 itself...I think it's
BS, but the 68000 is capable of some really neat tricks...

Also, the point about games running much faster and nicer on a Sega is a very
moot point since it is all on the ROM cartridge (no OS, etc.)..

How much RAM, if any does it have?  

I suspect that the AGA chipset will make sawdust of the Sega graphics, but the
'Bang-For-the-Buck' arguement that would always be used to defend the Amiga can now probably be turned against it with the 4000 & 600 out....

>Terje Marthinussen
>terjem@stud.cs.uit.no
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From: 01ksdavis@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rebel without a clue.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Toaster killersREFRESH IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Date: 23 Nov 92 01:23:51 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Corporation.

In article <root.02xx@rkamiga.UUCP>, root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
> In article <vmz1=g#@rpi.edu> danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
>>In article <root.02w9@rkamiga.UUCP>, root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>>
>>|> >I'm not sure about the video toaster, but it does have equivalent A-V
>>|> >tools.  They probably do cost more, you're right.
>>
>>That is, from the latest information I've heard so far, patently NOT TRUE.
>>Every computer has, at the top of its line, display options which meet and 
>>surpass the Toaster's capabilities (yes, including the Amiga...), but NOTHING
>>out there can (yet...) do all of the VIDEO (as opposed to display...) things
>>that the Toaster can do!
>>
>>The Toaster killers are coming... they will most likely be for the PC first,
>>and will probably cost $4000-$10,000. That's all rumour, of course..
>>

	Toaster killers?  Hmmm...  Actually the only thing funnier than this is
the fact that they will be extremely competetive with the Video Toaster even
if they cost more ($10,000?!?)  Four thousand sounds reasonable.

	The only machine I know of that is capable of besting a top of the line
toaster system (jam included) is the Cray supercomputer line.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:23:16 -0500 
From: Berend Ozceri <bo24+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Help me! A4000 Problem!

Hi everybody!

My five-day-old A4000 decided to take a vacation today. It will not
reboot! Here is what happened:

I rendered a 100 frame animation in Imagine which took about 20 hours so
the computer ran overnight. When I turned the monitor on this morning,
everything was fine. I wanted to load a 24-Bit picture into ADPro, but
the memory was too fragmented. No problem! I hit the three-keys to
reboot...the screen goes blank...hard disk led blinks..............and
nothing! OK. I turn the computer off. Wait for 20 secs, turn it back on.
Hard disk led blinks......nothing! Hit the three keys to reset.....the
power led blinks in a couple of times...the hard disk led
blinks......nothing!

I suspect there is a problem with the hard drive spin-up, but it might
be something else. Can anyone out there help!

Please.

Berend


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From: jsg@ccs.northeastern.edu (Jonas S Green)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: College of CS, Northeastern U
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:10:24 GMT

>>How long did the PC wait for the mouse? 10-15 years?
>
>Well, that's a little before my time, but Windows and OS/2 have both been 
>around since the mid-80's, and I seem to remember my Dad using a mouse on his
>PC for a long time before that.  Anyway, I believe the IBM PC was introduced
>in '81, so I reckon it was no more than 5 years. 

For the record, the first Microsoft Mouse came out in 1983.

>At any rate, the PC (at that time) never claimed to be the state-of-the-art
>in user interfaces, the way the Amiga tries to claim state-of-the-art in video.

Windows has been out for some time, but it did not really take off until
Windows 3.0 was introduced.

At work today, I set up my PC clone (Compaq 386) with OS/2 2.0 and tested the
multitasking, switching between applications (in effect screens on an Amiga)
It's quite different than an Amiga's Denise chip. The Monitor blinks off and
on with the Compaq. (Standard VGA display).

By the way, if the original poster's friend goes with a PC Clone, be careful
of certain clone makers. I've been having several problems with an AMI Bios
machine at work.
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:07:43 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville) writes:

>Neither.  OS/2 lets me run two different music players that output to the same
>device at the same time.  I presume by your response that the Amiga does not
>provide this level of hardware virtualization.

>John W. Linville

The Amiga does, the OS doesn't.  There is a difference.

I would consider this a problem caused by the lack of semaphores--the same
applies to writing to the same file by two processes at the same time...

I believe the Amiga soundplayers just chose to "own" the sound devices... not
the fault of the Amiga nor its OS.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Falcon has a 16 bit bus
Date: 23 Nov 1992 02:10:53 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: comp
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In article <1992Nov22.231438.2033@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> jsg@ccs.northeastern.edu (Jonas S Green) writes:
>In article <28476@castle.ed.ac.uk> marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:
>>Yes, the Falcon has a 16 bit data bus and a 24 bit address bus.
>>Just like the Mac LCII and Classic.  DSP or no, the Falcon doesn't 
>>sound quite so attractive anymore, does it?
>
>Hold it. 16 Bit Data but & 24 Bit Address bus are 68000 features, not 68030
>features. They are both 32 Bit wide on the 68030. Further:
>
>  The  Mac LCII has a 68030 while the Classic has a 68000.
>
>  This demonstrates a basic rule of this medium (Usenet) :
>     BELIEVE NOTHING YOU READ.

Not necessarily:  It's very possible.  Do remember that the falcon's
expansion looks exactly like a 68000-expansion:  It's 16-bit, and it's
got a 24-bit address space.  They've been saying that all along.  Now,
the big question is how far does that go across?  Did they stick a
32-bit processor into a 16-bit wide, 24-bit deep system?  Or are those
bodacious limitations strictly on the falcon's expansion system?

Pressing questions, eh?

Greg

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From: etxtsg@solsta.ericsson.se (Thomas Grennefors  TX/DKF)
Subject: Re: Amiga or Messy-DOS
Organization: Ericsson
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:31:07 GMT

barham@qut.edu.au writes:

>I don't think the future of the Amiga is particularly uncertain, and
>by that I mean support and software.  The Amiga is finally starting
>to get some of the recognition it deserves as a serious computer.
>Commodore are finally telling people that Amiga's exist.  New
>machines are finally showing up.  Things are just starting to look
>rosy!

Well if comodore is telling people about the amiga they have missed me.
I haven`t seen a ad for an amiga in a non Amiga paper for a very long
time. I feel that comodore by dropping the 500 and 500+ and introducing
the toyy computer 600 is effectivly killing the Amiga. Why pay for a 600
when you can get a 386 for the same price. And no i do not think that
the 1200 will help either. It will be to expensive and people will buy 
SEGA and Nintendo to their childrens, and those that want to work and
not only play games with their computer will by a 386 or 486 or Mac.

>Well, you can probably find some of the BEST (in many peoples
>debatable opinions) word processors and database packages for the PC,
>but you can certainly easily find many GOOD (in fact, EXCELLENT) word
>processors and database packages for the Amiga.  These days you can
>even read your friends word perfect file (if you REALLY want to).

Yes SuperbaseIII is a very good program for the amiga. But it requires 
a 3000 or 4000 to run at a reasonable speed. And the same thing applies
to many of the DTP programs for the Amiga. The one that i uses is
Prowrite, and sometimes Kindwords (old i know) and they are not very
fast on a 500. I would say that they are very slow.

>Of course, the only PC you can get for less than an equivelent Amiga
>is a clone... Weren't we talking about reliability as a requirement
>somewhere?

Do you think comodore makes PC:s that are more unreliable than their
amiga?

>The Amiga is just a damn nice, well integrated, powerful,
>userfriendly machine.  A PC is just a heap of junk (even if it has a
>V8)

PC is no more junk than an Amiga. Your personal tase to what OS and
what graphical interface you want to use may decide you for one
or the other.

>Oh, you wanted some serious, comparison, fact and figure type
>reasons?  They have been bandied about here often enough, and when it
>all comes done, pretty well everything the Amiga can do a PC can do
>also (if you add enough hardware), but just not as nicely %^)

If a PC can du anything that a Amiga can du then all it boils down to is 
the price, and then the choice is pretty clear. In that case a PC is the 
only viable option. Why pay $1000-$1500 more for the same functionality?


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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:26:34 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <Bxu4uu.BLJ@starnine.com> by mikeh@starnine.com (Mike Haas):

> What OTHER country is as racially open as the US?)

    England. New Zealand.

> etc. etc. peoples in our midsts, eh?  There is greater ethnic
> diversity here than anywhere else in the world.

    This sounds like utter crap to me.
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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Subject: Re: Upsurge in CD-I ads
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:36:47 GMT

In article <Rick_Kelly.077c@amicol.UUCP> Rick_Kelly@amicol.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>In a message dated Sat  7 Nov 92  0:27, Paula_lieberman@amicol.uucp (paula 
>wrote:
>Quoting seems to work for me.
>What can I say?

How about "test" in the subject line... :)

>Rick Kelly     rkamiga.UUCP   and other sites
>
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From: espensk@stud.cs.uit.no (Espen Skoglund)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Keywords: semprini, spam, ni, naughty bits
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:40:25 GMT

Hey, who would want to buy a computer if he/she had to spend $200 for every
program they wanted to purchase? I wouldn't.

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