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From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: bad idea to post pictures of Miyazawa Rie
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:37:41 GMT
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Has it dawned on any of the people talking about Miyazawa Rie GIFs that you
are doing two very wrong things:

1) You are stealing from Ms Miyazawa.  Those pictures are most likely from her
   book ``Santa Fe'' and are her property.  She sells the book, which allows
   you to have a copy of the pictures to look at any time you want but *NOT*
   to make copies for other people.

   If you really like Ms Miyazawa that much, you wouldn't steal from her.

2) You are hurting the feelings of any number of female netters, by injecting
   her pictures into this forum.  When you buy Ms Miyazawa's book, you are in
   a matter that is between you and Ms Miyazawa (as represented by her agents
   the publisher and the bookseller).  But, when you broadcast her pictures
   you are involving a whole cast of other, unwilling participants.

Fundamentally, you are showing a contempt for women in general, and Ms
Miyazawa in particular (if you really liked her, you wouldn't steal from her).

Incidentally, a couple of weeks ago my girlfriend and I were at a small coffee
house in Nezu (Shitamachi, To^kyo^) which had Ms Miyazawa's book in its
customer reading library.  We took a look though it.  Ms Miyazawa has a
remarkable lack of cellulite but is rather ordinary-looking as Japanese women
go.  The book has some artistic pretensions for those who think ``Playboy'' is
fine art.  The better pictures were the ones of her clothed.  It seems to me
that people who have enough interest to scan these into a computer (or who
want to look at them on a computer screen) are seriously in need of a life.
But, if it's really that important to you, buy the book so at least she gets
paid for your jollies.
From: jcliu@four-lab4.Berkeley.EDU (James C. Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: bad idea to post pictures of Miyazawa Rie
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:14:00 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Dept. of Nuclear Engineering
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In article <MS-C.726817061.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> 
mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes:

  >1) You are stealing from Ms Miyazawa.  Those pictures are most likely from 
  >   her book ``Santa Fe'' and are her property.  She sells the book, which
  >   allows you to have a copy of the pictures to look at any time you want
  >   but *NOT* to make copies for other people.

In most cultures, she's considered to be prostituting her flesh for fame
and fortune.  Cardinal sin. :-)

  >2) You are hurting the feelings of any number of female netters, by injecting
  >   her pictures into this forum.  When you buy Ms Miyazawa's book, you are in

Yes, probably.  Gomen Nasai already.  I admit, Ms. Atwood's post
did make be feel like an immature scoundrel (or worse), and I've
already thrown away rie05 and rie07. 

  >Fundamentally, you are showing a contempt for women....

I don't think that is necessarily accurate.  I think many netters in
general would show contempt for anyone male or female, who poses nude
for a book and charges outrageous sums of money.  (and for only mediocre
pictures at that!)  The selling of flesh has implications of promiscuity
...which historically has proven fatal to societies and cultures which do
not put restraints on its practice (e.g. AIDS, STDs).  

  >Incidentally, a couple of weeks ago my girlfriend and I were at a small
  >coffee house in Nezu (Shitamachi, To^kyo^) which had Ms Miyazawa's book
  >in its customer reading library.  We took a look though it.  Ms Miyazawa
  >has a remarkable lack of cellulite but is rather ordinary-looking as
  >Japanese women go. 

Well, you agree, they're only mediocre. 

  >............................................................  It seems to me
  >that people who have enough interest to scan these into a computer (or who
  >want to look at them on a computer screen) are seriously in need of a life.

Call it curiosity.  The media hyped it up.  They had a news conference at
Narita.  It was on NHK, NNN, NTV...etc.  You even had enough curiosity
to check it out.  What's the difference between someone looking at it
in 8-bit colour GIF format, vs. 24 bit colour Magazine format?
(Answer: Resolution). :-)

Jaa, James
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From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Brainwashied
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:32:12 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <7566@bigbird.hri.com.hri.com> blamb@hri.com (Bill Lambert) writes:
>> [...]
>The discussion about whether or not particular cultures are better
>than others is somewhat interesting, however, I wish that in this
>discussion, the participants might be more careful so as to separate
>what are truly cultural elements from other aspects of society
>that are economic or perhaps technological when making such
>comparisons. Advances in medicine, and such, for example, 
>are societal... not cultural. 

Thanks, this is a good point.  Since this thread started out as
a discussion on women's role in society, I assumed "culture" to
be "something like the former", but "societal" elements have 
crept into the discussion.

Having said that however, I suppose it is possible for a "societal"
element to induce a totally new pure "cultural" element. In such
a case, one cannot even begin to compare two cultures (one with
and one without the "societal" element) because there is nothing
to compare.

>Removing these types of comparisons from your discussion may 
>lead you to the conclusion that indeed no one culture is
>inherently superior to another because the infrastructure of
>that culture works best for the largest number of people
>within that culture... thus satisfying one debator... and
>that in doing so, neither is superior... thus satisfying
>the proponent on the opposition side of the argument.

Even if one accepts this, you still have the daunting task of
defining what "works best" is and if "best for largest number"
is the correct way to go.  Recalling a lecture from philosophy 101
:-), take the example of a society with a small number of slaves.
Having slaves makes life much easier, and arguably work better,
for the largest number of people.  A proponent of cultral superiority
might argue that a culture without slavery is "better", even if
average life of its people is harder than those with slaves, based
on some higher "rules".  What they do is to compare culture based
on these rules (at least that's my understanding).  My feeling is
that humanity might be able to gradaully collect such "rules" over
the millenia, but most of what people claim to be such rules _now_
is something akin to religion (and in many cases it is). Nothing
wrong with religion, but you cannot "prove" superiority based on it.
From: ritz@ritz.mordor.com (Christopher Mauritz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: First Love
Date: 10 Jan 93 13:38:16 GMT
Organization: Ritz International, Inc. -- Import/Export Consultants
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Christopher Morton (cmort@NCoast.ORG) wrote:
OS/2> As quoted from <C0KuLw.I66@unix.amherst.edu> by jmfuchs@unix.amherst.edu (jesse fuchs):
OS/2> 
OS/2> > 	Question: If they made a movie about Riki, who would play him? My
OS/2> > choices are either the guy who played the bandit in "Rashomon," or 
OS/2> > Tor Johnson. Any other suggestions?
OS/2> 
OS/2> I vote for the guy who played the leader of the cannibals in "The Hills Have
OS/2> Eyes".  I can imagine the same look of thoughtful introspection on Rikiko's
OS/2> "face"....

Nah, I vote for the guy who played Kent Dorfman (Flounder) on Animal
House.

"Excuse me sir, I'd like to buy 10,000 crack pipes please..."

Skoal,

Chris
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: Ten-chan's o-sho^gatsu speech
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:05:39 GMT

In article <MS-C.726382761.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) writes:
>Was anyone else at the Imperial Palace on January 2 to hear Ten-chan's speech?
>It was a lot less crowded than I expected.  The police handled the crowd
>control very well.

So there were no body checks? Baggage checks? To anyone?
And did you write your name down?

>Everyone was able to get a good view of the imperial
>family (and yes, Kiku *is* as cute as her pictures).

You mean "Kiko" (rather unusual name, though I know someone
with the same name).

>The speech was short and very simple Japanese; I wonder if it was for the
>benefit of the nihongo ga chotto wakaru gaijin in the audience.

I don't think it was meant as a speech, but just a kind of greeting
(thanks for coming, etc.).
The family appear before public a couple of times that day.

And I believe there was a bullet-proof glass in front of them.
Quite some time ago, an ex-soldier shot a sling at the previous Emperor.
He has a book ("XXX(comrade's name), Tennou wo ute!");
accusing the Emperor of WWII incidents.

>As a foreigner, I wasn't swept up in the patriotic sentiments of the natives,
>but it was still interesting.

Ah, but I'm always stirred by the Star Spangled Banner :-)

-YH
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: bluelobster+@CMU.EDU (David O Hunt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: NSF Summer Institute in Japan
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:08:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0fHDtF600XsFA=FF1J
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

There have been enough queries that I suppose I should post....

The NSF (National Science Foundation) sponsors graduate science and
engineering majors over to Japan for 2 months during the summer.

Write:     NSFJinfo@nsf.gov

for more info.  This year about 120 applied - I was shocked.  I would
have expected 1000 or more.  Still, since I'm 99% positive I'll be
accepted (I hope I hope I hope :) I don't mind the competition.  Besides,
the deadline for '93 has passed, and I hope to arrange my own program
(through my research center) for the summer of '94.

David Hunt
Overworked Mech E Grad Slave *WHACK* I mean Enthusiastic Graduate Student
bluelobster+@cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga)
Subject: Re: FLASH NEWS!!
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 06:13:50 GMT

In article <1igdilINNkk7@shelley.u.washington.edu> yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii) writes:
>Some Q's:
>o What is this deal about Japanese media being "scooped" by 
>  Washington Post ("as was in the case of Emperor Akihito")?
>  Were they gagged or just being asleep?

Gagged, yes, as long as the "gentlemen's agreement" was still effective.
Asleep, maybe.

>o Would it be unconstitutional for her to continue her work in
>  the foreign ministry?  The I.H. Agency would want her to quit
>  regardless, I suppose.

I think so.  To be a member of the Imperial family, she has to renounce
ordinary civil rights (like voting, inheriting her parents' legacy, etc.).

>o Do I care?

So why are you posting?	:-)

-YH
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Date: Thu,  7 Jan 93 14:32:11 MST
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Not a Myth at All
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
From: luke@newt.ee.byu.edu (David Luke)

In article <1i8i7cINNm0h@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> keis@psy.uwa.oz.au (Keis Ohtsuka) writes:

>In my opinion, any messages excluding people
>based on ethnic origin is racist and should be dealt with such.

>  When it happens in
>South Africa, we called it Apartheit and vigorously oppesed it.
>Why should we let it pass when it happens in Japan?  

May we then assume that you are violently opposed to Affermative Action,
and that you are leading massive protests against the US government and state
governments, and are organizing nation-wide boycotts of all major corporations
that practice such racially-based hiring policies?  Chances are extremely
good that the terminal you are using to post was manufactured by such a
racist organization -- maybe you'd better stop posting, or you'll be
compromising your principles... :)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: barrera@mtu.edu (Barrera)
Subject: Re: *NOT* Naked GIFs of Riec-chan
Organization: Michigan Technological University
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:45:17 GMT

jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley) writes:
: Why dont you just kill the article if you dont like it.  Why would you
: deprive all the sabishii netters out there of some real pleasure.  
: 

So you admit that your offer is merely about *pleasure* than real
intellectual discourse? Now so you know where I stand, I don't mind
at all myself looking at pictures of beautiful ladies, but I certainly
would not sit up in front of a huge crowd  of mixed people and advertise 
that anyone who wants to see these awesome naked pictures of some woman 
feel free to contact me. And despite what you say about my supposed
"western morals" I will actually take the step of saying that such a
public spectacle most east-asians would find rude and boorish as well.
Jim, you claim that I am forcing my western morals and points of view
one this group, but you seem to have difficulty explaining how my point
of view would be different from say a Japanese one eh? 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: jturley@netcom.com (Jim Turley)
Subject: Re: *NOT* Naked GIFs of Riec-chan
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:48:03 GMT

Why dont you just kill the article if you dont like it.  Why would you
deprive all the sabishii netters out there of some real pleasure.
From: yoichi@carson.u.washington.edu (Yoichi Ii)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Gifts from America to Japan [SUMMARY]
Date: 6 Jan 1993 06:56:51 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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dali@stein.u.washington.edu (David A. Lee) writes:

>Tetsuya Nishimura was kind enough to mail me this list of 
> 	 [...]
>        *beef/buffalo jerky for those who drink

Is it OK now to bring back jerkies?  I think it used to be forbidden.
How about seeds of some herbs plants (eg cilantro)? Would these be illegal?

>        *peeler (YES, vegitable peelers!)
>            and some other kitchen utencils may be interesting to the Japanese
>            e.g. salt/pepper shakers in funny shapes

Someone told me staple remover was unusual in Japan. Is this still true?

>        *knives for outdoor oriented person

Remember not to carry knives in your carry-on luggage.  Airlines don't like it.

>        *nuts in shells  (YES, almonds and pecans etc.)

Again, would these be OK through the custom in Japan?

>        *foods
>                e.g. jello, instant muffins, M&M's, Snicker's, etc. to show
>                        how sweet American foods are...:-)

Giant chocolate bars (those 1 lbs Hersheys) seem to impress people.
"Iyaa!, sasuga Amerika saizu desu nee ..."[1]  :-)

	*magazines
	         With the new law, I suppose one can bring back certain
	         magazines if someone requested.  Fortunately no one's
	         asked me.  Of course, I wouldn't have the guts to bring 
	         it back even if there were requests ...

		 Customs Officer: "Ahh, kou iu zasshi omochi kaeri desu ka ..."
	 	 Me: "Ahaha, chotto tomodachi ga ... ano, chotto sonna ni 
                      misebirakasa naide ..."[2]   (^_^;

>BTW, is there a FAQ list for soc.culture.japan ?

Yes I think so. Didn't someone just post the FAQ?

---
[1] "Impressive, indeed it _is_ American-sized!"
[2] CO: "Ahuh, I see you are bring back this type of magazine ..."
    Me: "(Hahaha), well ... umm a friend had ... wait, please don't 
	 make a display of it ..."

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: coan@griffin.emba.uvm.edu.uvm.edu (Brian M Coan)
Subject: resistance to plutonium shipments?
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: net
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 10:41:51 GMT

I was wondering, what is public opinion in Japan regarding Japan's
recent over-seas shipment of highly-dangerous, weapons-grade
plutonium? Also, what sort of resistance has there been to this (and
to Japan's nuclear program in general) from environmentalist and 
leftist groups??

	coan@emba.uvm.edu
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From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Subject: Re: DOES AMERICA SAY YES TO JAPAN? - Off track!!
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:49:24 GMT

Ok, enough is enough.  Would you please delete alt.sex from the
Newsgroups line when you post a followup?  Thanks.
-- 
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Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Ten-chan's o-sho^gatsu speech
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:59:21 -0800 (PST)
Organization: University of Washington
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Was anyone else at the Imperial Palace on January 2 to hear Ten-chan's speech?
It was a lot less crowded than I expected.  The police handled the crowd
control very well.  Everyone was able to get a good view of the imperial
family (and yes, Kiku *is* as cute as her pictures).

The speech was short and very simple Japanese; I wonder if it was for the
benefit of the nihongo ga chotto wakaru gaijin in the audience.  Anyway, it
consisted of new year's wishes for peace and happiness for the Japanese
people, the Japanese nation, and all the peoples and nations of the world; the
sort of innocuous little speech you'd expect.  Then the family quickly filed
out, Kiku last, to the crowd's shouts of ``Tenno^ Heika, banzai!''

As a foreigner, I wasn't swept up in the patriotic sentiments of the natives,
but it was still interesting.  We have the speech on video, and I might make a
transcription if it isn't already available somewhere.

Afterwards, there were the usual hordes of vendors.  I bought a coffee table
book about Hirohito, ``Watakushitachi no Sho^wa Tenno^'' at a surprisingly
cheap price.  It's interesting because in the history section it has quite
readable photographs of Nichi-Nichi Shimbun and other newspapers from the
Sho^wa era, including the ni-ni-roku jiken, seizure of Manchuria, Marco Polo
Bridge Incident, Pearl Harbor, surrender, and the beginning of the Occupation.
There was a similar one about the current emperor, but I didn't buy it.
From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: American-cu Cannabalism
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:44:25 GMT
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

Dwight's article reminds me of a little puzzle:

What form of cannibalism is practiced not infrequently in the USA?
I'm serious here.  `Cannibalism' to be defined as the eating of human flesh
by humans.  In fact I have had the opportunity to do this but I chose not to.

If anyone wants the answer, I'll post it in a few days.
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          phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
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orbiting particle-beam weapons.
From: mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Opinions on the book, "The Hollow Doll"
Date: 4 Jan 93 12:20:03 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

In article <1i901dINNc89@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, johan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Johan van Zanten) writes:
> 
>   I would be somewhat interested in anyone's opinion of a book called,
> "The Hollow Doll (A Little Box of Japanese Shocks) by William J.
> Bohnaker.  The book claims to be a "...astute, funny, and deeply
> disturbing ... inside view of Japanese life, customs, and culture that
> no American traveler ever gets to see."   Bohnaker tries to shield
> himself from "Japan-bashing" accusations in the preface (for at least an
> entire page -- something which should have forwarned me) but i have
> stopped reading the book about 1/2 way through.  Some of the comments
> and observations he makes are interesting, but i really feel he is
> portraying Japanese people singularly in a very negative light, and
> pitching his book for an American audience who will read his
> descriptions and think less of Japanese people afterwards.
> 
>   If anyone has any opinions or information on the book, i would be
> interested in reading them.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> ps. (I disliked the book enough that i am trying to come up with some
> useful way of recycling it that does not involve it being read ever
> again.  On this matter, too, i would happily entertain suggestions.)

Um...you could always do what Hitler did...burn the book.  I find it
disturbing that a person would dislike another person's ideas enough
to "recycle" it in a manner which makes it unusable to anyone else.
If you really hate it that much, you could always send it to me.
Any book that can elicit such an emotional response is probably an
intriguing read even if I don't agree with the ideas.  I'd be happy
to reimburse the postage cost.

Cheers,

Chris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: mikef@dph1.health.su.oz.au
Subject: Re: Japanese Authors translated to English
Originator: mikef@dph1
Organization: Dept Public Health, Sydney University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:03:45 GMT

In article <19329@mindlink.bc.ca> Manjit_Bedi@mindlink.bc.ca (Manjit Bedi) writes:
>
>Anyone else out there got some favorite books by Japanese authors?

I'm currently reading Yukio Mishima's "The Sea of Fertility" which is a
tetralogy (ie a trilogy plus one!). This was Mishima's last work before he
committed suicide. After completing it, he made a comment to the effect of:
"I feel totally drained, there is nothing else useful that I can do".

I have finished the the first story of the tetralogy "Spring Snow" (Haru 
no yuki desu ne?) and can thoroughly recommend it.  I've just begun reading
the second story "Runaway Horses" (Homba) which is also interesting so far.

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