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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:14:56 EDT
From:         "Richard Seifert, Jr." <MAINT@CLVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Printer Exit

On Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:09:19 EST William J. Forde said:
>How do you make use of the printer exit. I would like it to call a
>program call printscr exec instead.
>
     Go to the options screen (in 92) and go to the Exits option.  On
that screen is an option called 'Print'.  Set that to yes and save the
options.  You should exit your routine with a rc higher than 4 so that
MAIL doesn't also print a copy of what you are printing.

     Hope this helps.
Rich

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Richard Seifert, Jr                    BITNET---MAINT@CLVM
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:35:16 PDT
From:         Ian Tuller <IAN@UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Un-Refresh

On Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:24:39 PST John Wical said:
>   Is there a way to reverse the REFRESH command (in MENU mode), so that
>all mail items would be displayed, both deleted and undeleted?
>
>John

Try ALL /

I would think just ALL would work, but it does not seem to do it.

Good luck.

Ian
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:24:21 CDT
From:         Lawrence H Gindler <LGINDLER@TRINITY.EDU>
Subject:      Memory not Released?

After execution of Mail 92 here on VM/HPO Release 5, CMS Release 5,
at PUT 9005, some virtual storage appears to be missing.  A 2048K
machine has 1712K free before running Mail 92, and 936K afterwards.
All of Mail 92 has been placed in the installation shared segment.
According to NUCXMAP, there are two nucleus extensions that get loaded,
but their size appears to be small.  I have tried loading these
nucleus extensions manually before running Mail to prevent
fragmentation, but that does not help either.  Any suggestions?


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Lawrence H. Gindler
Assistant Director for User Services            telephony: (512)736-7401
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:40:14 CDT
From:         Randy Bradley <BRADLEY@MARCVM.MARC.USDA.GOV>
Subject:      Re: POP3 Server
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              25 Aug 1992 09:23:43 CDT from
              <X005CB%TAMVM1.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu>

   A POP3 server is a "Post Office Protocol, version 3" server which is
very 'popular' ;-} on unix systems.  A very nice POP 3 client for Mac's
is "Eudora".  I am looking for a client program for DOS or Windows if
anybody knows of one.
   The client (at least Eudora) will periodically login to the host and
download mail.  There are lots of options the user can adjust such as:
remember password so things run very well in the background.  You can
adjust the period to whatever you want, say every 5 minutes, or every
hour.  Editing new messages occurs on the client, which then get sent
to the host when you press the send key.  Very nice "Client/Server"
"distributed" program.
   Now, having said that, I still much prefer rice mail for many things.
especially, large lists!  I prefer POP for smaller messages that almost
approach "realtime" since the multitasking in System 7.0 is so smooth.

   Oops, I see this is going to the whole list,  sorry for wasted bandwidth
but then, there may be more interested readers also.
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:04:09 -0500
From:         Gerald Skerbitz <gsker@EPX.CIS.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: POP3 DOS Client

In Message Wed, 26 Aug 1992 11:40:14 CDT,
  Randy Bradley <BRADLEY@MARCVM.MARC.USDA.GOV> writes:

>I am looking for a client program for DOS or Windows if
>anybody knows of one.
>   The client (at least Eudora) will periodically login to the host and
>download mail.  There are lots of options the user can adjust such as:
>remember password so things run very well in the background.  You can
>adjust the period to whatever you want, say every 5 minutes, or every
>hour.  Editing new messages occurs on the client, which then get sent
>to the host when you press the send key.  Very nice "Client/Server"
>"distributed" program.

The POPMail distributed by the University of Minnesota has been modified
VERY nicely by Philip Burns at Northwestern University.  The software is
still "beta" until September 1, but I'm very impressed.  If you have
Windows, you can set it to collect your mail every so many minutes, but if
you are just running DOS (and don't want your machine totally tied up) you
can't.  What I've done for DOS is write a telnet script to log into the POP
server and log right back out.  As part of its logout it tells you how many
messages are waiting, and I just capture that text and display it on my
screen.  It takes about 2 seconds or less.

Available via anonymous FTP from ftp.acns.nwu.edu in directory /pub/nupop
as the file nupop???.zip.

Gerry

Gerald Skerbitz -  6-5379
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:18:40 -0400
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Subject:      Re: Opening the Library

At Wallace Library (Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester NY),
if the Library is schedule to open at 7:30am., it will be up to the opening
Librarian (usually people at Circulation Dept) to come in and have the copiers,
lights and doors opened before that(some Librarians who don't want to be rushed
to do all the opening things will come in 5 to 15 minutes before the scheduled
opening )time. It seems to have worked out for us.............Hannah
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From:         Sue Steele <SUESTEEL@VAX7.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU>
Subject:      Re: not a commercial

A different approach to training staff to deal with difficult users.
A couple of years ago we purchased a British video called "Awkward
readers". The video partially solves the problem of training staff
to deal with difficult situations. It is most applicable for
circulation staff but others also benefit. I have used it a couple
of times and found it practical, not to mention cost-effective.

I've attached a quote from the accompanying booklet and our catalogue
record in case anyone is interested.

Sue Steele


        `The `awkward readers' portrayed in the 18 trigger videos and
        training notes reflect some of the wide variety of problems
        encountered at a library issue desk. . . .

        The package has been designed to enable managers and supervisors
        with little or no training experience to organise effective sessions
        suitable for staff at all levels.  . . .'


TITLE: Awkward readers [videorecording]. --  / produced by Learning
          Resources, Brighton Polytechnic ; [director, Martin Hayden]. --

PUBLR: [Brighton, England] : Media Services, Brighton Polytechnic, 1989.
          --
DESCR: 1 videocassette (13 min.) (VHS) : sd., col. ; 1/2 in. + 1 booklet
          (29 p. ; 21 cm.)
NOTES: Booklet subtitle: 21 trigger videos for use in library training
          sessions
NOTES: Colour recording system: PAL
NOTES: Subtitle on package: Video training package for library staff
NOTES: Summary: The package is intended for library staff, to highlight poor
          behaviour and illustrate its effects both on users and the library
          service. It identifies areas where staff need guidance, training
          or more practice
SUBJT: Public relations -- Libraries
SUBJT: Library employees -- In-service training
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:50:52 -0400
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From:         GEFFNER@SJC.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Amnesty Days for fines

We had an amnesty day a dozen years ago or so tied into Dewey's birthday.
Unfortunately, students began holding books the following year in
expectation of the same!

Since we don't use a collection agency and fines get wiped out anyway in
a few years, there really is no reason for people not to return overdues:
we have no teeth anyhow!  Also, many of the people with overdues are
nonmatriculated students who can't be bothered coming in until they've
signed up for another course or students experiencing stressful life
events.  I should also say that since Connecticut has a delivery service
for libraries, items may be returned at almost any library in Conn.

(To solve the no teeth problem I've allowed the rumor that students with
overdues/large fines can't graduate to go unchecked for the past 10 years.
Actually, the school will only hold their transcripts.  Unethical, but it
works.)

Ann Williams, Circulation, SJC (CT)
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Software for training shelvers

This was originally on AUTOCAT and I thought maybe some folks on CIRCPLUS
might know of such software.  I'd be interested if you do, also for a PC
environment.

dan
----------------------------Original message----------------------------
        I'm passing this question along on behalf of our circulation folks.

        We have a piece of software here that we use to train new student
workers how to shelve books.  It's called _Shelving books the LC way: a self
test_.  The copyright date is 1984, by Southwestern Oregon Community College.
It runs on the Apple IIe.  We'd like to find out if there's an updated version
for the IBM, or possibly another program that teaches the same principles, also
for the IBM.  (We're trying to get rid of all our Apples once and for all.)

        If you're not familiar with the software, it presents "graphics" (just
boxes, really) that represent book spines with call numbers on them, and the
students are quizzed on the order they're supposed to go in.  It moves through
several levels, each getting a little more complicated.  It's really an
extremely simple program, but it works at what it's supposed to do.  We'd just
like to find a newer, faster version for the IBM.

        You can reply to me directly or to the list.  Thanks in advance.

Lonnie Beene, St. Mary's University, San Antonio, TX
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:47:21 MDT
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From:         Laurie Cardon <LIBLXC@BYUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Opening the Library

I think the need to have staff come in early probably depends on when the
library opens.  We open at 7:00am.  I have one person on duty to staff the
desk who arrives 5 minutes before the library opens.  Very rarely do we have
any patrons wanting attention that early in the morning -- and I usually hear
about it when it happens :-)  The early morning student usually has plenty
of time to get everything at the circ desk set up (terminals logged on, stamps
set, function keys programmed, forms replenished, stamp pads re-inked, etc.)
before anyone shows up to check books out.  Most often, I get asked why we
open that early anyway.  I'd imagine that places opening at 8:00 have a lot
more need to prepare early for a patron rush.

                                   Laurie
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:00:00 EDT
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From:         "ALLISON L. GOULD" <PGOULD@OBERLIN.BITNET>
Subject:      portable microfilm readers

We have a couple of small "portable" microfilm readers that we lend to
patrons.  They are on their last legs, and we've been dissatisfied with the
options we've seen so far to replace them.  Does anyone out there have
either testimonials or horror stories about any particular model?We'd appreciate
    any advice, including sources (of good ones only, of course!).
Thanks for your help.

Allison Gould
Head of Circulation
Oberlin College Library
Oberlin, OH  44074
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PGOULD@OCVAXA.CC.OBERLIN.EDU (Internet)
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:42:54 -0700
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From:         Eileen O'Hara <ELOHARA@BROCK1P.BITNET>
Subject:      Overdue notice files

We have an automated system (DYNIX) and keep no paper trail of overdue
notices.  The system keeps track in the patron's overdue/fine records
of the date each notice was sent.  This is more than sufficient for our
needs.  We also have the policy (which is included in the flyer we
distribute to our patrons): "Failure to recieve notification does not
relieve the borrower of the obligation to return materials when they
are due."

I agree with Kendall.... save the trees and drop all those files into
your recycling bins!   :-)

Eileen O'Hara
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From:         "NAME'Cleo Powers,
              UWEC McIntyre Library (715)836-5820'" <POWERSCJ@UWEC.BITNET>
Subject:      circulation of computers

My department is being considered as the potential site from which
portable computers will be circulated to faculty and to students.  I
would appreciate any tips or suggestions which might be provided to
help me get this process in place.  Up to this point, we have not
circulated equipment outside the building, so this will be a new
experience for us.  Some specific questions I have are:
1.  How do you label this equipment for ownership and circulation?

2.  What do you do with detachable parts/components?  How do you track
them?

3.  How do you handle the virus issues?  Do you do a virus check upon
every return checkin of machine?

4.  How do you package and circulate the accompanying technical manuals?
And, how do you make sure that every patron leaving the building with the
computer has the necessary technical manuals, etc?  Our circulation desk
is staffed by some 15 students and while some of them will think about
what it is they are giving a patron, others will give the patron exactly
what they ask for and if they only ask for a computer, that's what they get.

5.  If software packages are licensed for a machine, how do you handle tht
circulation?

6.  Who verifies the integrity of the software after each checkout, especially
if the software program is resident on the hard drive?

7.  What is the length of the circulation periods for computers?  What
are your fines?

8.  How do you assess cost of damage to machine?

9.  What other obvious points have I missed in the list of questions above?

Thanks for your input/

Cleo J. Powers
Head of Public Service/IMC Librarian
William D. McIntyre Library
University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire
Eau Claire, WI  54702-5010
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From:         "W.C. DIVENS" <N93774@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      The McBooks Program.

Burgers for Books....an interesting concept.

In Idaho I would have thought that a delinquent return would
be best rewarded with a spud item from Wendys!  I can see the
burger connection in Texas...and of course in the tidewater
country, a coupon for Long John Silvers is more apropos.

But is it ethical to 'reward' delinquency?  I mean, if the
trend continues, folks at the small, elite colleges in
New England (Wheaton?) will be holding out for Jeep
Cherokee's as a reward for returning late books.

As I recall...from LONG ago...PITT's one and only 'amnesty
day' was pretty much a bust.  But then again, that was back when
a burger at McD's was still about a quarter.

Rustbelt Bill
N93774
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The McBooks Program.

On Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:24:00 EST W.C. DIVENS said:
>In Idaho I would have thought that a delinquent return would
>be best rewarded with a spud item from Wendys!  I can see the

   Well, I'm in Idaho now, but that was at the LAST place I worked....
in Colorado.  The big event of McBooks was in spring of 88.
As someone else pointed out the problem of people "expecting it"
is present.  All of our promotions said "once in a lifetime" and all
that.   And, yes, there were still a few who expected it again the
next year....assume they had gotten used to some car dealers who are always
'going out of business' or such.  They were politely informed that
"once in a lifetime" meant it.  They have not done it again, but are
reportedly considering it in another year or two.

>But is it ethical to 'reward' delinquency?  I mean, if the

   Well, I'll leave that to those of a more philosophical bent.  It
accomplished what the library wanted....getting books back, getting rid
of lots of old circ and overdue records....and part of the reason for
the timing was the conversion to online circ during the summer that was
coming up.

dan in the land of potatoes and smoke, from newer, closer fires

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* Associate University Librarian      Internet: alileste@idbsu.idbsu.edu    *
* Boise State University                                                    *
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From:         "W.C. DIVENS" <N93774@PITTVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: portable microfilm readers

Brings to mind a truly 'portable' microfilm reader I have seen.

Our 3M tech carries one that looks like a small 'slide viewer' and
sticks in a section of film and holds it up to the light.  I will
have to see who makes it, but for portability and low cost, it
can't be beat.

Rustbelt Bill
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From:         HBAWML@RITVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Self-service circulation

When you say self-service Circulation Technologies are you refering to things
like copiers? Please let me know and I can give you some information...
Hannah
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Jonathan Miller - I have a direct qestion to ask you and can't seem to get
through via any variation on your e-mail address.  Perhaps if you try to
respond directly to me,  I can respond back directly to you!!

Kendall Simmons
University of Kansas
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Please subscribe.  Thank you.
Robin R. Hartman
Occidental College Library
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From:         SHONTZ%ATHENA.DECNET@UTHSCSA1.BITNET
Subject:      Confidentiality of library reading

This list has had discussions in the past about the confidentiality of circula-
tion records.  How does this extend to the reading habits of patrons who do not
tion records.  How does this extend to the reading habits of patrons who do not
questions about suspicious patrons' reading preferences in the Library.

David Shontz
UT Health Science Center-San Antonio
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Subject:      Re: SAVING OD NOTICES

Here at the Vanderbilt Divinity Library we do not save regular
overdue notices.  We do save copies of billing notices.  We have
never had any problems with the exception of one system-update
glitch which produced overdue notices with incorrect due dates.
That problem was isolated, however.  I hope that you can soon
do away with the manual record-keeping, because it dilutes the
powerful advantages of automation labor-saving.  Good luck.
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