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From: mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Date: 2 Oct 92 08:34:33 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London, UK.

From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
>National security?   Jeepers, kid, we're talking about using
>foreign coal when it's cheap, not digging up the British stuff
>and tossing it into the sea.
>
>If you really think that British coal is so wonderful, then
>leave the stuff in the ground.   It's not going to go bad, and
>if the Victorians could get at it with their technology, I'm
>sure our grandchildren will be able to.

Unfortunately it is not as simple as this. It has been made
quite clear that if mines are not maintained they flood or are
damaged in other ways that make them unuseable.

You also seem, like many free marketeers, to be ignoring the
time drag factor. If it once again became beneficial or
necessary to use British coal, a coal industry could not be
rebuilt from scratch.

Matthew Huntbach
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13523 talk.religion.misc:17608 soc.culture.europe:8767
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: France, je vous remercie pour l'election d'Anti-Christ
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:21:30 GMT
Organization: On the Brew.

In referenced articles, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) and
ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
>>>> [Godfrey's "Germans are objectionable" ranting]
>>>The short response to this is "It takes one to know one".
>>>The short response to that is "Are all jurors who convict, guilty of the
>>>offences"
>>It's astounding that Godfrey can equate his narrow-minded, racist
>>statements with the impartial conclusions of a juror.
>
>The phrase "it takes one to know one" does not purport to apply to only
>racist statements; it purports to apply to all statements, and thus the
>example is quite comparable.

The _use_ of the phrase didn't purport to anything, it specifically
conveyed that Godfrey himself was objectionable in concluding that all
Germans are objectionable.

His counter example, which attempts to equate jurors' unbiased
deliberations with his bigoted pronouncements, isn't at all comparable.
Neither were the gratuitous insults against Canadians he responded by
email - I fully expected him to follow his usual habits and post them, but
unfortunately you were spared that pleasure.

Nice attempt at tangential pedantry, or was it really an attempt to defend
Godfrey's views?

Ray
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From: igb@fulcrum.bt.co.uk (Ian G Batten)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Translate Shakespeare!
Date: 6 Oct 92 11:34:15 GMT
Organization: Fulcrum Communications

In article <1aqvn8INNnjp@bigboote.WPI.EDU> kat@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Flame's Passion) writes:
> Prithee... What language is it that you are reading it in now?

I assume you've read the Folio and Quarto editions?  I'll bring a copy
in tomorrow and key some in.  It's hard going.  Shakespeare has been
translated into modern spelling in all published editions other than
Folio/Quarto clones.

ian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: Sod
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:55:29 GMT

In article <1asqupINNsq@early-bird.think.com> sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee) writes:
>In article <1asp8uINNoct@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks) writes:
>|> I notice many British people use the word `sod' when refering to someone.
>|> It's seems to be used negatively.  What is a sod?  What does it mean?
>|> When would you refer to someone as a sod?  And finally, what is a
>|> `cheeky sod'?

	[stuff deleted for brevity]

>Driving through rural Central Florida, I pass an ill-executed sign saying
>"CHEAP SOD". I hope it's not intentional.
>

	Not to mention the unfortunate sign on I-80 in Des Moines:

	"John White, Sodding"

	Alec Chambers.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: streater@unixjr.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater)
Subject: Re: Pardon my ignorance.
Keywords: states within a nation
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 04:37:12 GMT

In article <1ad5e3INNjjk@network.ucsd.edu> fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) writes:
>
>You're correct, except for one small thing. The Governor General is
>usually a native of the country (e.g., the GG of Canada is a
>Canadian, the GG of Jamaica a Jamaican), and may become president if
>
Thanks for the correction, I was unaware of this. It makes emminent sense, 
of course.

tin.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789")
Subject: Re: Some of my best friends are speculators
Reply-To: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:44:15 GMT

[stuff deleted]
>
>Well, that's crap.    There are some strictly limited things 
>that Governments can do, but most of the broad economic trends   <---
>are actually outside the control of Government, and blaming      <---
>the Government the the British buying too many imports is just 
>silly.
>
>jon.

That's the oldest one in the book, Jon. US Republicans have taken up the same
track for this presidential election -- the economy *is* a mess, but don't
blame us, blame Congress! (oh, and vote for Geogre and hence 4 more years of
the same thing anyhow). Be honest; would you, or John Major, pause for a
*millisecond* to bask in the glory if the economy was "working" under the
envigorating "forces of competition and the free market"???   ;=) 

Stay loose,
Bill
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| University of Houston, TX  >-----------<         reality itself"     |
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: chrisc@biggus.moron.vware.mn.org (Chris Cox  W0/G4JEC)
Subject: Re: Abuse A Brit (was Re: Pardon my ignorance and such)
Organization: Twin Cities Metro Area Network, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 00:50:40 GMT

jac54@cas.org () writes:
> 
> 	at least getting on the right side of the equator.  I've
> 	been identified as an Australian, a New Zealander and even a
> 	South Efriken.
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You too!  I thought that had only happened to me :-)
> 
> 	Alec Chambers.
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From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (JHenderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: bad teeth
Date: 27 Sep 92 11:43:09 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <20789@drutx.ATT.COM> rnt@drutx.ATT.COM (Diane Thomas) writes:
=>
=>............................. and I won't even go into the 
=>psychological benefits of having straight teeth.

If your society doesn't "obsess" about straight teeth, then there is no
psychological problem with having non-straight teeth, is there?



-- 
=======Jeremy Henderson========jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk===============
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: achin@math.tamu.edu (Andrew Chin)
Subject: Help seeking flat in London
Originator: achin@math
Organization: Texas A&M University, Dept of Mathematics
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 09:05:17 GMT

I will be taking up a position in central London in February
and will be looking for a furnished one-bedroom flat to rent
for no more than 600 pounds/month inclusive of bills.  My
priorities include:

Important:
	quiet
	low crime rate (inside entry?)
	walking distance to shopping and tube
	mod cons (central heating, decent kitchen and bath)
Not important:
	proximity to central London

I would be hoping for a fairly long-term lease (2-3 years).

1.  How nice a place could I expect?
2.  In which neighborhoods/boroughs should I concentrate my
    search?
3.  What are the advantages/disadvantages to using a letting
    agency such as Runyards?  Are there any specific agencies
    to hire or avoid?

Many thanks for any help.
-- 
Andrew Chin    Dept. of Math.    Texas A&M U.    College Station, TX 77843
achin@math.tamu.edu   Probably not TAMU's exact opinions.   (409) 845-0261
                * Fighting racism is not a special interest *
From: jackson@soldev.tti.com (Dick Jackson)
Subject: Re: Accents (was Re: Abuse a Brit)
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:31:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.174325.13794@menudo.uh.edu> chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
>----------
>I think that it's geographic... East coasters assume you're a Brit, west
>coasters assume an Aussie.

Americans (on the West Coast) have several time asked me if I'm from the
East. I always reply "Yes, a long way East".

Dick Jackson
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:00:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.162336.20876@cas.org>, jac54@cas.org () writes:
|> 	I take my cue from Vera Brittain's daughter's response
|> 	when TBW observed that children were leaving secondary
|> 	school unable to read or write.  She observed that all
|> 	children are supposed to be able to read and write when they
|> 	finish primary school.  (Guess who would have been Ministrix
|> 	for Education at the appropriate time.)

How about Shirley Williams?

You probably can't lay the blame at the door of one party (cue ancient
argument about forced comprehensivization).
-- 
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
113 more days of Bush Presidency!
From: hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: France, je vous remercie pour l'election d'Anti-Christ
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:25:33 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

In article <30SEP199218284170@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>In article <Sep30.224154.4519@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham writes...
>[Bits of fluff brushed off]
>>unnecessary.  Intellectual discussion does nor need to be
>>provoked by ignorance.  LG seems to be pleased when he generates
>
>
>               ^^^^^^^^^
>
>I should hope not!  Even in Colorado I think they'd be able to find someone
>a little better at expressing himself than you.
>>D
>>A
>>offended only recently.
>
>Did it spoil your whole day?
>>--

Ho Ho Ho :-)

I'm afraid I provoked that deliberately, to demonstrate the
validity of the article included below and to point out the
futility of paying any further attention to Larry.  The rather ludicrous
notion that he offends me was due to an editing error.
Boredom is nearer the mark.

Of course, he has the right to say what he wants but the point
I wish to stress is that rattling Mr Godfrey's cage exercises
nought but his ego.

Hopefully, this newsgroup doesn't need it's valuable time
wasted further on this topic, although I would be interested
in some learned discussion regarding the effect that this 
rather unusual form of communication has on free speech
and personal expressiveness.  


Hugh
Yes, CSU has better spokespeople than me.
Hard to believe, isn't it?


In article <1992Sep28.111517.15377@cas.org> jac54@cas.org writes:

>>[Fuel deleted]
 
>*****        Oh look!  More flame-bait from Laurence!           *****
>
>       If you care to take the bait, the following has been known to
>       happen.
>
>a.      Laurence tends to follow-up by posting to the net and e-mailing
>       you the same message.
>
>b.      For obvious reasons you get the mail message before you read the
>       post.  For obvious reasons, you reply by  e-mail.
>
>c.      If you get a reply from Laurence, it may well be gratuitously
>       insulting and may bear little relevance to the origifam message.
>       Unless you are careful a slanging match may ensue.
>
>d.      Tired of the whole thing, you may skip his posting and leave
>       the net with the impression that he has carried the day.
>
>e.      If he doesn't think he's doing too well, he changes from his
>       SSC host to one at CERN and starts bouncing mail messages
>
>       This analysis based on conversations with several of his
>       correspondents.  If Laurence found the Germans objectionable,
>       I would guess that the Germans also found him objectionable and
>       thereby put the rest of us in a better light.
>
>       Alec.


ENDIT and back once more to the kill file
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: matthew@ntl02.decnet.nokia.fi (Matthew Faupel)
Subject: Re: First Direct vs. High St. banking
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications, Cambridge, UK
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:21:36 GMT

In article <6250094@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson) writes:

   I'm tempted to open a current account with First Direct, but would like to get
   advice first.  I'm currently a Midland Bank customer, so things like paying in
   cash would be no more hassle than it is at present.

   First Direct obviously talk only about the things that you can do just as
   easily with them as with a High Street bank.  Are they omitting to mention any
   services that they cannot provide, or which are more hassle ?

   From their literature, I can't see any disadvantages, except perhaps that you
   deal with someone on the phone rather than seeing them face-to-face.  Does
   anyone have any experiences, good or bad, with First Direct  ?  Are there any
   catches to banking with them ?

I currently bank with First Direct (having moved from a Midland current
account & Saver Plus combination) and am extremely pleased with the service
I've received from them.  The only thing which was any hassle was getting
the account in the first place which took more time than I expected, though
this may be because I was in the first wave of people to apply.

I haven't found any catches to banking with them - I've never had any real
need to see my bank manager face to face, and more or less everything else
can be done over the phone.

The best advantages (to me) are that:

o   I can ring up at any time (like when I suddenly remember at 3.00 in the
    morning that I haven't paid my Visa bill) and get bills paid, money
    transferred, statements ordered etc.

o   I can specify exactly when I want a bill paid, so I can ring up as soon
    as I get the bill but state that I don't want it paid until the end of
    the month or some such.

o   I can transfer money directly to my friends' accounts just by ringing
    up.  Incidentally, for this service you can specify the attribution of
    the money when it appears on their statement - my friend's girlfriend
    has her transfer to him set up to say "Love from Karen".

...and it pays reasonable interest on your current account!  In short, I'd
recommend it to anyone (and no, I'm not an employee).


Matthew
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 09:19:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.082034.25772@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
> Typical loony right thinking. The Thatcher/Major years have
> been marked by various industries being closed down, blithely
> dismissed with "it doesn't matter, imports are cheaper, so
> we'll be better off". The trouble is the country does need to
> have *something* to trade for its imports, if it doesn't the
> currency will plummet in value, imports will become more
> expensive, but unfortunately we can't go back to the home
> produced product because the industry was wrecked (in the case
> of coal, once a mine is closed down and no longer maintained,
> it cannot be re-opened).

Of course if you pay way over the odds for something as basic as power
then you make *all* your products uncompetative and you haven't a hope of
exporting anything. Still, we can all go down the mines for a living.

Simon.

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From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: A pinch an a punch
Date: 1 Oct 92 18:59:24 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

Today is the first of October, and time to ask about something which
has been troubling me for years. When I was a kid, you could pinch and
punch someone on the 1st of any month, if you recited this as you did
so:

'A pinch and a punch on the First of the month,
and bags I no returns'

One day, someone surprised me with a reply, but I can only remember
the first line:

'a slap and a kick, for being so quick....'

but the second line was also an injunction against retaliation.

Can anyone help?

Matt
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Tory 'predictions'...
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:42:20 GMT

> ...the
> government should stop announcing the upturn of the economy until it
> actually has some evidence that it is occurring.

We could do with some of that over here.  Yesterday our beloved President
once again said that business is poised for a recovery...
-- 
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
108 more days of Bush Presidency!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: New 10p coin; offer to all Germans
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 10:35:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.061256.9189@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, metceram@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
|> In article <6250091@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson) writes:
|> > 
|> > To all Germans :  I will sell you 1DM-piece clones for, oh say 20p.
|> > Any takers
|> > ?  Let's BOTH double our money.

I doubt you'll get many, the number of machine which will accept DM like coins
is very small nowadays, largely ciggie and chocolate machines, which also
accept Czeck Krona, available at a lot lower rate than 10 pence pieces.

David.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
From: walker@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Graham Walker, 227 West Old Main,268-3847,)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:29:47 GMT

From article <1992Oct5.160514.19528@nas.nasa.gov>, by wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith):
> I wrote:
> 	> 
> 	Current research has now proved conclusively that Shakespeare's plays
> 	were written by a different person of the same name.
> 
> 
> Graham Walker writes:
> 
> 	It is not clear as to which "same name" you mean Shakespeare or Earl of
> 	Oxford? Please follow up.
> 
> 
> 
> Ohhhh (long, slow sigh).  It was an attempt at humor that fizzled.  The idea
> was: how would you know who you were talking about?  Perhaps too much
> is know about the man from Stratford on Avon for it to work.
> 
> William Sburgfort Smith
> Intel, SSD
> 

OK, so I am a little slow on the uptake these days, must be that it is
getting cold here (in Upstate NY), and I am getting ready for
hibernation. I honestly though you were going to provide me with a
really interesting piece of research.

														GW
From: "john lovett" <john.lovett@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: abuse a brit
Date: 30 Sep 92 00:36:35 EST
Reply-To: "john lovett" <john.lovett@channel1.com>
Distribution: soc
Organization: Channel 1 Communications


AC> Can anyone think of a derogatory term used by other nations (that the
  > British can understand to be insulted by it), to refer to the British
  > (or in my case the English)?

AC> I don't mean things like 'Limey' or (from a Scot) 'Englishman' :-)

AC>    Alan

In the U.S., we have the impression that the British, or at least the
English, feel so superior to every other nation, that any insults
offered to them would be beneath their notice.
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From: phd85@seq1.keele.ac.uk (D.H. Holden)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Names of naughty politicians
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:03:55 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <Bvn9y8.G1n@scd.hp.com>, by tim@hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (Tim Phipps):
> 
> I'm setting up a cluster of workstations and it has been decreed that the
> hostnames will have a theme.  
> 
> Profumo
> Mellor
> Thorpe
> Archer
> Lucan (not a politician but the right flavour)

> Cheers,
> Tim Phipps.

     What no Cecil Parkinson!
     Harvey Proctor      ( I'm just going to log on the proctor!)
     also
     Ron brown ?! (obscure labour MP caught stealing knickers I think)
     
     There's bound to be more, we've had a tory government for 13 year
     for gods sake!
     Dave.
--
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: sp@osf.org (Simon Patience)
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:26:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.174839.12819@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.134049.29324@osf.org> sp@osf.org (Simon Patience) writes:
> >However if the only commodity is water then I don't see the problem. The
> >consumer could buy the water supply from a water supplier and it doesn't
> >really matter which molecules of H2O actually arrive providing the
> >customer/provider idea has been honored. A supplier could be stopped from
> >contributing to the network if the water quality drops below the
> >acceptable level (and presumably the customer has to select another
> >supplier). 
> 
> A bit weak.  So, you'd be happy if you paid your $100000 to Rolls
> Royce, and then a Lada (with the same capacity and 0-60 spec) arrived
> at your door?  (Assuming both meet some governmentally laid down
> 'specification of minimum acceptibility', and that someone, probably the
> guy who paid for the Lada, ends up with your Rolls?)  No, that is not a
> real choice of supplier for the consumer.  It is ultimately a monopoly
> situation, or at least a situation where 'the market' breaks down
> because there is no relationship between the vendor and the consumer.

Granted, this works better for the electricity supply for example (can you
imagine what would happen if everyone *refused* to buy their electricity
from nuclear suppliers, I smile just at the thought). The second
alternative I proposed of buying water from the pipe supplier who then 
shops around for the cheapest supplier (with acceptable quality blah blah)
is probably the most workable solution for water.

Simon.

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