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From: spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: And you think Shin Bet is sitting around drinking coffee? ( Was Re: Salah El-Deen Men's are still Around
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:24:49 GMT

In article <1gl6r9INNhsq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu  
(Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
> 
> 
> Two weeks ago, Sixty Minutes program showed
> the abducted Sheikh of Hizbullah in an
> Israeli jail.  It also was clear from the
> program that Israel is 100% willing to free
> the abducted Shiekh in the return of the
> captured pilot over Lebanon.
> 
> Surprisingly enough, over the weekend Hamas
> heros got the idea quickly to free  their
> Sheikh as well.  Alas, this time Israel's
> reaction was different.
> 
> Did they make a mistake by broadcasting
> a deal like this on Sixty Minutes?
> One has to question how smart people are
> sometimes....
> 
The deal to release Obeid + several thousand other Lebanese detainees has  
been in the works for a long, long, time. The UN, the Vatican and others  
have been involved, it has been public for quite a while. The "Sixty  
Minutes" interview had nothing new except that it was OBEID who was  
calling for the release of Ron Arad (if he is still alive) and the return  
of the bodies of other Israeli servicemen (seems he thought it was tacky  
to hold people for that long,  especially himself). That the Israelis have  
usually been willing to trade obscenely huge amounts of terrorists to  
ransom IDF personnel  is not surprising, as there there have been quite a  
few such instances. 
	The difference is that the Sgt. Major in question who was   
kidnapped by Hamas was kidnapped within Israel's boundaries, as opposed to  
Lebanon. Israel has quite a bit more flexibility in dealing with this type  
of situation, where their access to the area is unimpeded, and where they  
have quite a few collaborators who are willing to betray their fellow  
activists (at least that's the impression I get as I read the litany of  
news stories about internecine violence in the Palestinian community. Of  
course, it could be that that assumption is incorrect, that the killings  
are actually settlings of old scores, or just plain homicidal stupidity,  
but I've always felt it is a good policy to take these sorts of statements  
at their face value.........).




shalom

jeff

'Hine ma tov uma naim , shevet achim gam yachad"
"Lo yisa goy el goy cherev, lo yilmedu od milchama. 
Work for the day when this will be true, but until then, make damn sure  
you've got the biggest stick in the playground - and don't be afraid to  
use it to defend yourself"
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Political cleansing in Egypt
Date: 13 Dec 92 23:43:19 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <Bz3q1M.EEv@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:
>I wonder how much money Egypt, Tunisia and Algeria are spending
>on state terrorism (a.k.a state security):
>Read the following from U.P.I:
>
>	CAIRO, Egypt (UPI) -- More than 12,000 government security troops, in
>what was believed to be the biggest-ever raid of its kind in Egypt,
>arrested 290 alleged Muslim militants west of Cairo, reports said
>Wednesday.
>	The 12-hour raid in Imbaba, which began early Tuesday and continued
>into Wednesday, also rounded up large weapons caches, including martial
>arts paraphenalia, as well as anti-government literature and material,
>the daily Al Ahram said.

...

Engaging in a little hyperbole are we, Ilyess?  Unfortunately,
by using the ``cleansing'' euphemism you are greatly cheapening
its meaning viz. the horrible things being done to innocent civilians
in Bosnia.

The following fictious press release, which I *don't* fully subscribe
to, is just as inflamatory and contains at least as many elements of 
truth as your hyperbolic cleansing analogy:

	Cairo, Egypt (IPU) -- The EFT (Egyptians for Tolerance)
	today  hailed the Egyptain government's jihad against
	Muslim terrorists who had been engaged in religious	
	cleansing against Copts and tourists in Egypt.  The
	group, composed mainly of Muslims, said that the
	crackdown gave them hope that the reign of terror
	that the fundamentalists were in the process of
	establishing would not come about.  ``They made
	me and other Copt businessmen pay `protection money'	
	to operate in Imbaba'' said a local businessmen who
	preferred anonyminity.  ``They would even put fund-
	amentalist bumper stickers on cars, and nobody would
	dare reomve them.''  A local Muslim policeman added,
	``They killed many Copts, burned down Coptic some 
	churches, which Sharia does not permit to be rebuilt,
	and harrassed women.  They have killed tourists,
	and now my brother lost his job and his family doesn't
	have enough to eat.  This is not the sort of tyrrany
	that Muhammad, PBUH, decreed.  And it is not what most
	Muslims want, either.  It is the work of a small
	number who have let their zeal for Allah make them
	cloud their judgement and ignore His decrees.''

The government of Egypt is far from perfect, Ilyess, but its
citizens have more freedom than most neighboring countries.
The sort of people you cheer for would take most of them away.
But, hey, it would be what (you think) Allah wants and
Islam prescribes, yes?
--
Dave Bakken                               Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu
Dept. of Computer Science; U of Arizona   Voice:    +1 602 621 4098      
Tucson, AZ 85721; USA                     FAX:      +1 602 621 4246
The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish
From: morten@oase.kemi.aau.dk (Morten Kjeldgaard)
Subject: Re: Ear Rings
Organization: Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:58:11 GMT

In <1992Dec11.212004.2815@nmt.edu> spectre@nmt.edu (Spectre) writes:

>>>   I wonder about the cultural origin of wearing ear rings, as to how
>>>this bad tradition propagated almost through all contemporay cultures
>>>and what opinions people may have about it.

I have thought about it, too. Probably the motivation is different between
the different groups. I can think of a plausible reason for the age-old
tradition of *seamen* wearing earrings: since this profession was very risky,
and death could come in an instant, you always had your token or goldpiece
to cross over into the land of eternity. Many cultures have had such a
tradition of needing to bring something of value along. The ancient
greeks believed that you had to cross the river Spyx to get to the land of
the dead, and that you had to pay the ferryman Charon to get across.
Otherwise, your spirit could not find rest.

Sounds reasonable?

/Morten
--
Morten Kjeldgaard  ~ morten@oase.kemi.aau.dk ~ mok@kemi.aau.dk
Biostructural Chemistry, Department of Chemistry, Aarhus University
Langelandsgade 140, DK-8000 Aarhus C, Denmark
Phone: +45 86 12 46 33 ~ +45 86 20 27 11 x6518 ~ Fax: +45 86 19 61 99
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: bbickett@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Oman
Date: 14 Dec 92 09:40:15 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

Does anyone have an e-mail address for Oman?  Thanks very much.

Brenda E. Bickett
bbickett@guvax.georgetown.edu
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Homosexuality
Date: 20 Dec 92 06:15:36 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <nabeel.724360795@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Monsieur Rossignol) writes:
>CAUTION
>
>   This article may be rated X or higher by some bigots. Please,
>if you will be offended, do yourself and me a favour and skip.
>

>I said: "Skip!" Your last chance!
>


>Some people like to be sodomised, others like to sodomise. Heterosexual

Which one are you, Monsieur?

>   Be realistic! They seek every useful hole, e.g. mouth. It is beyond
>the scope of this article to give a tutorial about love making varieties
>and fetishes.

And just how is that you know of these matters, Seniore?

>   That is true, but when it occurs when you are awake, it means that
>you are excited and if it occurs in a sexual intercourse the odds that
>it is relevant to what is going on.

I'm sure you could tell us all about it.


anisA's Evil Twin
From: zureick@utasys.uta.edu (Rami Zureick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arabic music on CD
Summary: Info. appreciated
Keywords: Arabic music, CD
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:50:00 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Dec20.090157.14498@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad) writes...
>I would like to know if there is any Arabic music on compact disks.  If
>so, are there any mail order houses in North America where they can be
>bought?
> 

I picked up a couple of Arabic CD's from a place in Houston called "Video 
International Center". The cost at the time was $16/CD, regular price is
over $20. 
                                                     - Rami
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From: news@ossi.com (OSSI Newsstand)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.misc,soc.misc,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Ear Rings
Date: 14 Dec 1992 18:56:27 -0800
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: cheops.ossi.com


Your article/letter follows:
			(deleted stuff)

>After a while, earrings among males became socially acceptable as long as it
>was in the persons left ear.  An earring in the right ear meant that you were a
>homosexual.  But even that has begun to change because more and more I see many
>males with both ears pierced.  I have thought about getting the right ear
>pierced but never did.
>Today, the idea of sexual preference based on the ear in which you have an
>earring has waned considerably.  I tend to believe that it is no longer a
>symbol of sexual preference but one of fashion.


The other day someone asked my friend what the 6 earings on each side
he wears mean.  He told them the truth:

"Everytime I break a surfboard, I get another ear pierce!"

I truly hope he quits breaking surfboards, as he is rapidly running out
of ear space. (chortle....)

-texx

Reply to me rather than my server at :

texx@ossi.com

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood)
Subject: Arabic CDs
Reply-To: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 10:02:43 GMT

Hi Tamer:

I lost your address so I decided to respond here on s.c.a.

Please drop me an e-mail and include *exactly* what kind of "Arabic"
music you are looking for.

I may be able to help.

Thanks,

John
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.religion.islam
From: jodar@chaph.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar)
Subject: Re: Developement of religious strata Judaism and Christianity (related to Islam)
Keywords: That's a Lie
Originator: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan -Moderator)
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:35:47 GMT
Summary: No hate mail from me, but...
X-Posted-From: occs.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <1992Dec18.041028.29184@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi) gave us a copy of:

>... Ibn Khaldun's Muqadimah, in which he describes the
>development of the Jewish and Christian religions he also points to the 
>relationship the three monotheistic religions have with political autho-
>rity and leadership. 
>
>Save for analysis.
>
>-Lotfi
>
>
>[31]  Remarks on the words "Pope" and "Patriarch"
>in the Christian religion and on the word "Kohen"
>used by the Jews.
>
[rest of article deleted]

The document described above may perhaps be of some small use in
analysis, but it is not worth saving.

I was first struck by Mr. Khaldun's apparent ignorace of Islam.
Then I noticed his apparent ignorance of Judaism.  And then
Christianity....

At that point, it became a task to search for those statements of
Mr. Khaldun's which were accurate.  There were several....  At
least Mr. Khaldun had the intellectual integrity to identify this
piece as 'an opinion.'  In fact, despite a failure to elaborate
upon it in an informed manner, his thesis is thought-provoking.

Right now, I am wondering:

- Who is this person?
- Where is this selection from?
- For what reason was this submitted to SRI?

I ask these questions not to antagonize anyone, but to correct my
own ignorance.  (Gotta ask questions if you wanna learn....)

>''God leads astray whomever He wants to lead astray,
>and He guides whomever He wants to guide." 

It would seem so....  May Allah (SWT) give Mr. Khaldun the
opportunity to learn the truth of the matters he wrote about.
Amin.


-AQ

[I beg Allah's forgiveness for my weakness and insufficiency in ]
['His' service, and I ask for his protection from Shaitan and   ]
[from my own Desires.  None can protect me except Allah.  If I  ]
[have made any errors, I beg Allah to bring them to my attention]
[so that they may be corrected.  If I have made none, then it is]
[only through the Grace of Allah and all praise is due only to  ]
['Him.'                                                         ]
From: oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Allo! are you with me.
Date: 12 Dec 92 12:50:35 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France

In article <1992Dec10.094642.12217@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi) writes:
>Ma'alim, September 1992, p 32
>
>
>A.  What do you think of Israel prize to Imil Habibi?
>
>B.  That's natural, since he is Imil 'Habib-hum'.

  May i know why you call Imil Habibi in this way ?.
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From: willemsdawnm@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.australian
Subject: wedding customs?
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:01:33 CST
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

I am currently doing a paper on wedding customs of different societies. I would
appreciate any information anyone can provide for me.
Please send info to willemsdawnm.bvc.edu

thanks
dawn
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: HAMAS STABS 13 YEAR OLD BOYS
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:39:29 GMT


Palestinian Stabs 13 Year-Old Boy in the Center of Jerusalem

Israel Radio, KOL YISRAEL, reports this afternoon that a 13 year-
old boy, Yaniv Shahar, was stabbed in the shoulder by a
Palestinian. The stabbing occurred in a parking lot near the Klal
Building in the center of Jerusalem. Civilians on the scene caught
the stabber and started beating him. A woman passerby then sat on
the terrorist and shielded him with her body from the wrath of the
crowd. She took some beatings but didn't move until the cops have
arrived. The attacker was identified as a 21 year-old construction
worker from Daheishe. A Hamas leaflet was found in his pocket. The
radio added that Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem stated that the
boy, Yaniv Shahar, will be released and sent home before the end of
the day.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish
From: lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi)
Subject: Sayyidi al-khalifah
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:02:30 GMT

Dear Khalifah,

I am writing to you on a piece of "burning flesh" bani al-asfar left burning 
two years now since their 'holy war for the sake of petrol' was unleashed in
your poor city of Baghdad.  May be the odor would reach you and tell you of the
horror your sons are still going through. 

Have you heard? Hajjaj died. Your servants burried him once and for all.  They 
burried him at the door step of you great mosque of Damascus.  They were indeed
clever.  Five times a day, your servants would step on his face and take their
vangeance.  He was strong and powerful.  His armies were ruthless and the 
mercy left their hearts.  But, now he lies alone. And every one steps on his 
cursed legacy.

Yet, his spirit is still between us.  It still gives energy to his ruthless 
men to terrorize your servants.  He was better than them.  At least he would
never sell us for a cheap price.

Bani al-asfar did not forget Mu'ta, and the tomb of Abu Ayyub
al-ansari is still there, calling on your faithful ones to come and clean "Erz-
From: abbasa@ul.ie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Iraqi Nuclear Expert Assassinated.
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:26:55 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland


I read in newspaper today that an Iraqi nuclear expert had
been assassinated in Jordan.  The Iraqi secret service is
desribed to be behind the killing.  It wanted to kill him for
his defection to Jordan.  The police is questioning two Iraqis.

   To me, the reason of killing is not very convincing.  I think
it could be work of Musad, which had been implicated in the murder
of another Iraqi nuclear expert long time ago.


regards,

Asad.
From: ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: TERRORIST MURDERING HAMAS
Date: 19 Dec 92 18:24:03 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <1992Dec18.222721.25713@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
>
>Today's HA'ARETZ reports that the Hamas organization yesterday
>called for an increase in the attacks against Israel Defense Forces
>in the Territories. The organization also took the responsibility
>for the murders of 15 year-old Helena Rap in Bat Yam and Rabbi
>Shimon Biran in Kfar Darom.
>
>...a 15 year old girl and a rabbi.  lovely.

I personally disagree with Hamas's position and method, and favor very
much a negotiated settlement through the PLO (with which Hamas is in
major disagreement).  But just couldn't help remembering the following:
In June 1989 Rabbi Yizhak Ginsburg excused the murder of a fourteen year
old Palestinian girl by religious students on the grounds that spilling 
'non Jewish blood was not, in God's eyes, the same thing as spilling the 
blood of Jews' [New York Times, Jun 4, 1989].

Not all Rabbis are worthy of respect (nor are all Sheikhs, for that matter).

Shavua Tov!
Ahmad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: lhermi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi)
Subject: Re: Ibn Khaldun + some thoughts
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:50:54 GMT

Some how the system cut my last statement, I will try to send it again, sorry
for repetition.

Lotfi

P.S.  Sorry Nicholas if my message was a little bit harch, but how would we
respond to people of we don't know what our own authors wrote.

L.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Rosignolo)
Subject: Re: : Homosexuality in Islam
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:53:08 GMT

In <42385@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans) writes:

" <1992Dec10.192820.10466@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash):

" >However,the punishment of
" >Allah will be waitinig for those who escaped the punishment in this
" >life.

" 	What a cruel fate.
" 	Allah creates millions of Muslim homosexuals and then
"         punishes them for acting on urges that are natural
"         to them.  

   That's His business. I, for one, believe that it is His right to
punish whomever He likes regardless of what they did right or wrong.
But He does not do that. He gave you this urge to fight it. How about
someone who has the urge to steal, kill, or whatever?

" 	I don't believe it is acceptable to kill people for
"         reasons of religious bigotry. 

   That's your own problem, if you live somewhere, you are bound to
accept the law of that where. If you don't, have fun!

             _
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso)
Subject: TERRORIST MURDERING HAMAS
Organization: The Turing Project, Public Access Internet Host
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:27:21 GMT



Today's HA'ARETZ reports that the Hamas organization yesterday
called for an increase in the attacks against Israel Defense Forces
in the Territories. The organization also took the responsibility
for the murders of 15 year-old Helena Rap in Bat Yam and Rabbi
Shimon Biran in Kfar Darom.


...a 15 year old girl and a rabbi.  lovely.


rot in hell.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: coxc0056@ucselx.sdsu.edu (Riyadh Al-hajmoosa)
Subject: Re: 
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:42:50 GMT

bbickett@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:

>Does anyone have an e-mail address for Oman?  Thanks very much.

>Brenda E. Bickett
>bbickett@guvax.georgetown.edu


	I do not believe that Oman has an e-mail system. However, if there is 
	one, the best way to find it is to look for the e-mail address of PDO,
	a SHELL company in Muscat.

							Riyadh Moosa
							SDSU- Chemistry+CS.

	P.S:
		This is the first time I see the name of my country in this
		system, I am glad that some body knows what Oman is.

	P.s.s.
		I would like to communicate with fellow OMANIs, or people
		who are interested in Oman; please e-mail me at
		coxc0056@ucselx.sdsu.edu.
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Three troubling questions about Islam
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:35:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



AbdelJawad writes:

>My view is that eventually there should be a Palestinian state in the West
>Bank and Gaza, with guaranteed international access to Jerusalem (or at
>least the relevent parts of it).  I am sure Syria and Israel can work
>something out for the Golan.

How about the Arab people of 48?  Shall we forget about them?
Shall we forget about the Palestinian territories of Lud, Ybina, Osdood,
Yaffa, Aka, Haifa, etc...

>Is this unislamic?

Of course it is not.  If Jews kicked palestinians out from their areas,
Islam tells you to take them all again.  Do you want me to repeat the
Quranic verse again?  I thought you agreed on it, or maybe I have a
short memory :-)

>Remember that there are Israelis who were born and raised
>in Israel, who have not participated in any acts of violence against anyone.

Oh yeah!  Who fought to kick the palestinians out of their lands?
Who invaded Lebanon? Who is applying the Iron Fist policy on Gaza and West
Bank? Who is killing Palestinian men, women, and children in Intifada era?
FYI, every Israeli has to service in the IDF, and hence responsible for
what they are doing.

>Is it Islamic to call for their extermination?

It is Isalmic to return what was taking from us.

>Are we going to hold people accountable for the actions of their ancestors?

People have to realize what the core of the problem is and make
a decision as to what they have to do.

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