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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Sixers Camp News?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:46:36 GMT

>  [stuff about Hornacek being away from the bench for a while]

	First of all, sorry I can't echo back what you had said, but this
	damn editor doesn't work too well...

	Anyways, actually, Hornacek hasn't hit the starting lineup until the
	last 3-4 years.  When he 1st arrived in Phoenix, the backcourt was
	strongly anchored by Jay Humphries at the point and Walter Davis at
	the off guard.  Those 1st couple of years he came off of the bench.

	I would have to agree that Hornacek would get the most minutes of the
	three players.  However, I wouldn't go as far as to say he's the best
	BY FAR of the three.  Hawkins has put up more than respectable numbers
	over the years, and he himself is an all-star.  As far as Dawkins being
	mediocre -- again, give him some time.  He showed some great skills
	early in his NBA career and then suffered that ACL injury.  This season
	really was a comeback-sort of season for him.  He's definitely got the
	talent.  Just look for him.

	Anyways, what it all boils down to is someone's going to have to
	go to the bench.  In a Dawkins, Hawkins, Hornacek backcourt, they're
	all going to get the same # of minutes -- it's just the ritual of who's
	going to be announced in the starting lineup that's going to be the
	difference.  And, IMHO, of the 3, Hornacek would probably take to
	coming off of the bench the best.  Dawkins and Hawkins are used to
	always being in the limelight -- Hornacek, on the other hand, had to
	work his way there.  Hornacek, I'm sure, knows that he's going to get
	the playing time he deserves, whether he starts or not.

	Jazzy J
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: 1988 "Dream" (nightmare) Team
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:12:47 GMT


	The complete 1988 USA Olympic Basketball Team:

	David Robinson, Navy
	Danny Manning, Kansas
	Mitch Richmond, Kansas St.
	Charles D. Smith, Pittsburgh
	Charles Smith, Georgetown
	Vernell "Bimbo" Coles, Virginia Tech
	J.R. Reid, North Carolina
	Jeff Grayer, Iowa St.
	Stacey Augmon, UNLV
	Hersey Hawkins, Bradley
	Dan Majerle, Central Michigan
	Willie Anderson, Georgia

	Majerle was the team's leading scorer at 14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.14.1 ppg.

	Interesting to note, while the team did lose to the USSR 82-76,
	They outscored opponents by an average of 30.1 ppg, and averaged
	91.6 ppg.  They shot 54.2% as a team and outrebounded their opponents
	on an average of almost 10 rebs a ball game.

	Even the much noted outside shooting is strange.  USA shot over 52%
	as a team from the 3-pt line.  However, they did get outshot from
	that distance, 85 to 36.

	What it boils down to is that the US couldn't win the big one when
	it counted.  Otherwise, they did rather well, according to the stats.

	Jazzy J
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Olympic Team 72
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:26:16 GMT

rudwick@rock.pkg.mcc.com (Tom Rudwick) writes:
>I say send the '72 olympic team back for one more try. 

Which reminds me:  Why was the '72 team filled with so many
stiffs?  More specifically, why didn't Bill Walton go?

Was it still a political thing, like '68?


--Gidi
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: DT too good!
Date: 31 Jul 92 12:03:18 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

The Dream Team is so good that it is making all opponents look bad. 
Doesn't this mean that there is a chance of the pro players being
banned from the Olympic games again in the future?


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From: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
Subject: Re: USA/Croatia Score
Reply-To: am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 01:35:32 GMT


In a previous article, s1073200@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Paul Jackson) says:

>Scores from US vs Croatia(I hope, I didn't notice the opposition but only the
>score)
>US 103   Croatia 70.

Yeah, I thought this was a fun game to watch. The DT had to actually work
for some of their pts. That big guy in the middle what's his name? Had
some outstanding blocks, and of course Petrovic plays the same way he did
in the NBA. Their were some showtime dunks by Pippen and Drexler. Jordan
had a nice break away dunk, but I especially liked the Pippen layup where
he did an Isiah Thomas, showed the ball and layed up and in. Kukoc? is that
how you spell his name? Well, Pippen took him to school. Next up.. Germany.

Alex

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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: RESULTS: Basketball (Day 2... incomplete)
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:09:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.195112.7768@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.125336.26988@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>>
>>YESSS!!!!!!!  I got one!!!!
>>
>>And lo' and behold, it's our old friend Jerray!
>
>Not really because...1) I thought it was a joke, but 2) that's one of the
>weakest jokes I've ever seen, no humor whatsoever so 3) I assumed you were
>really stupid.  Feel better?

Nice try Jerray, but you still took a bite ;^)

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From: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Subject: Re: Dream team III
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Organization: Arizona State University, College of Engineering
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 05:53:59 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.134331.13880@cis.umassd.edu> acsdtd@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>I was thinking that we could get an old timers team together and
>ship them off to the olympics....
>this team could include great players from Wilt to Kareem.....
>
>C- Kareem  (who could stop him at the international level?  Even now)
>
>I think if we could get Kareem to play center, then we could just round
>up a bunch of people that would meld together well.   Dr. J, Elgin Baylor,
>Earl the Pearl, 'Tiny Archibald, Jerry West (to knock down the international
>three pointer), Wilt (to back up Kareem), Johnny Havilcek, Oscar Robertson,
>Bob Cousy (to run the point, what else?) Dave Cowens, hell we could even
>ask Bill Russel if he would play, but he'd probably want some money
>for the appearance.  What do you think people?   Remeber this post
>is supposed to be fun, so no flames please.
>
>Umass guy

   Are you allowed to immediately substitute if you of your players has 
a heart attack and dies on the court?

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From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Laettner vs Barkley
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:49:33 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

Which spoke louder, Laettner's foot or Barkley's elbow?


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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Cut & Paste
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 18:22:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.203133.13478@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>But, Ed... if we again look at the whole statement, it was 
>"No, I call the types of things YOU consider bogus as just home jobs ....
>This is a generalization of the types of situations you think occur.
>The specific case in question, that of the 3pt, was not in error.
You are not saying any exception.  You give the property A to a certain
type, and then wimp out by saying that property B is not applicable to 
a particular instance of that type. It's an exception claim only if
A == B. But in many places, you insist that they aren't.

>Sort of like the recent Abortion issue.  I personally don't believe
>in abortion, but believe in the right of it.  The general case: bogus calls
>are home jobs.  The specific case (Birds 3ptr): Never said these were
>bogus calls."
You said "never said these were bogus calls", that's it? Did you ever say
"never said these were home jobs"? Seems like you have used your strawman
argument for the Nth time. 

Better defend that "I didn't commit any murder ..."

>Note that because I again realized how you had such a weak case in the Boston
>Bias issue, and realized that the majority of the net was NOT on your side,
Oh, yeah? how does the survery go? The last time Nate revealed the bogus
survey, it was 4 teams tied for 2nd. And besides, I am still waiting for
your list of  bogus "after-buzzer" calls for each team.

>that you would attempt to change the subject and just start picking on 
>individual statements.  Well, this is why the statement was explained in
>further detail.  Again, in this statement, I twice point out that the specific
>point in question was not bogus.  
The (N+1)th time using the strawman argument ....

>As an another example, 
>"I have always had good luck dealing with people in this newsgroup.  However,
>the same cannot be said about my dealings with Ed."  The general case,
>dealings with the people in the newsgroup, which you are one of, I have had
>good luck in dealing with them.  However, in the specific case, that of Ed Lor,
>things haven't been as enjoyable.
Well, you are not stating an exception. Not enjoyable != not good luck. Hey, 
maybe "not enjoyable" == good luck to you. You know, some people like to be 
abused.

You said:
"In general case, the type T has property X"
"Instance I has property Y".

Where T = type of calls I consider bogus
      X = home job
      I = the bird 3-ptr
      Y = not a bogus call.

Does it cover that "I didn't say the 3ptr is a bogus call"? Yes
Does it cover that "I didn't say the 3ptr is a home job"? No.

I didn't see you defining home job as bogus call. Maybe you want to re-define
it now.

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                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: fzchen@othello.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Alternate Dream Team
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:44:27 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

I was watching the olympics and thinking about Chuck Daly's remark
about how this team would be neat if they had some competition. 
Then I started thinking about an alternate dream team that could 
compete and beat this team.  Here is my team:

Isiah Thomas - G
Joe Dumars - G
Danny Manning - F
Dominque Wilkins - F
Hakeem Olajuwan - C
Tim Hardaway - G
Reggie Lewis - G
James Worthy - F
Larry Johnson -F
Brad Daugherty -C
Shaquille O'Nead -C (gotta have one college player)
Sean Elliot -f

Alternates:
Mark Price
Sean Kemp
Ron Harper
Mitch Richmond
Dennis Rodman

I think that team could beat the Dream Team.  It may be nice to have
Dennis Rodman for defensive purposes, over Sean Elliot.  Mark Price
probably should have a spot.  Some people might question Manning, but
if you watched the guy play (saw him a lot in So Cal on TV) you'd see
he is the next star in the league.  The can shoot, pass, and rebound and
he's very smart and makes players around him better.  It was hard
finding good power forwards after Barkley and Malone.  Maybe Kevin
McHale could get a spot (sort of the Magic, Bird veteran factor).

Any comments?
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From: jachano@srv.PacBell.COM (Jay Chanowitz)
Subject: Re: Warriors--Bulls
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:57:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.154959.29056@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei) writes:
>In article <1992Jul26.213631.29164@menudo.uh.edu> st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>>     The Warriors usually play the Bulls VERY early in the season.  The
>>Bulls did not start their season very well for the last 2 years.  That
>>may be the reason.  
>>
>>     Jordan has not played very well against the Warriors (for some
>>mysterious reasons).  Statistics showed that Jordan averaged just over
>>20 points playing against the Warriors, and less than 20 while playing
>>at Oakland, both of those are lowest among all the NBA teams.
>
>Well, before the reason was Mitch Richmond, who I think I've heard Jordan
>says gives him the toughest competition anywhere.  And now...could it be
>hard driving Marciulonis?  Hmmm...and who does guard Pippen anyway?
>

In their only game in Oakland last year, I remember Jackson had Hansen on 
Marciulonis for a good part of the first half, and Marciulonis just killed
him.  Then, Jackson put Pippen on Marciulonis, and he was pretty much shut
down.  When Nelson was asked on his radio show the next day to comment
on Marciulonis' great play, he said something like "Sure, as long Pippen 
doesn't guard him."

Back to who guards Jordan.  I remember before Richmond, Ben McDonald use to 
play him excellently.  He was big, very physical, and quick.  I remember one
game in Oakland that the Warriors won by 10 or 15, and McDonald held Jordan
to a quiet 44 points.  And they actully *were* quiet, meaningless points.  The
kind of points that when you see the boxscore the next day, all you can do
is scratch your head and wonder when he actually scored them.          

Jay
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Rex vs. Tom (was Re: Hornets B-ball)
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:05:18 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Jul21.230512.14037@husc3.harvard.edu>,
vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu writes:
|>From: vreddy@husc3.harvard.edu
|>Subject: Rex vs. Tom (was Re: Hornets B-ball)
|>Date: 22 Jul 92 03:05:12 GMT
|>
|>In article <1992Jul21.063343.15490@menudo.uh.edu>, st1ge@Rosie.UH.EDU
(Edward Hui) writes:
[Stuff deleted]

|>>        Rex Chapman?  I think he was traded to Washington for Tom Hammonds.
|>> 
|>> Edward Hui
|>
|>Yeah... if they hadn't done as well as they did after the trade, I would say
|>it was a horrible trade. But, Chapman was injured, and though Hammonds wasn't
|>as strong a player, he also didn't have Chapman's attitude that could have
|>slowed them down. On the other hand, all Hammonds does is smile a lot, and
|>in a rather goofy manner too (no offense to anyone), and as a result, 
|>Hammonds looks like one of the men at the top of the list to be cut to make
|>room for Mourning et al. With this mighty lineup of Johnson, Gill, Bogues,
|>Mourning, and (I think either Gattison or Lynch), the Hornets shouldn't have
|>a problem making the playoffs... Good luck to the team of the future!
|>
|>-- Venk Reddy --
|>
|>Born 'n' bred in Georgia and the Carolinas, and damn proud if it too!
|>Go Hornets, Braves, Falcons, and Gamecocks! :)
                              
Actually, I don't think Tommy played for the Hornets at all last year. He
had a nagging groin injury and sat out to make sure that it fully healed.
As for the trade, Chapman had a *much* higher salary than Hammonds. Tommy
was playing quite well w/ the Bullets before he got traded, hitting
the 15'er consistently. Although his size and lack of shot creation leave
him as a role player at best. We're hoping, here in Washington, that 
Chapman will at least make the team more exciting to watch. Any news from
Hornets fans on Chapman's play? 

BTW, although Hammonds won't be a star, he's definitely an NBA player and
I doubt the Hornets will cut him.

Ron
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From: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
Subject: Re: ABA Teams that moved from one city to another
Reply-To: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
Organization: NASA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 13:42:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.061929.2910@rice.edu>, patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L 
Humphrey) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Jul29.185535.8609@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, wakankar@egr.msu.edu 
> (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes:
> >As promised, here is a list of NBA teams that moved from one city to 
another.
> >Thanks again to those who replied.
> >
> >Baltimore Bullets --> Washington Bullets
> >
> >Chicago Stags --> C.Packers -->C. Zephyrs -->Bulls
> 
> Wrong -- the Stags were in the the original BAA.  The Packers were an
> expansion franchise in 1961, so it should go Chicago Packers -> Chicago
> Zephyrs -> Baltimore Bullets -> Capital Bullets -> Washington Bullets.
> 
> The Bulls were an expansion team in the 1966-67 season.
> 
> >Buffalo Braves --> San Diego Clippers --> LA Clippers
> >
> >Milwaukee Hawks --> ST.Louis Hawks --> Atlanta Hawks
> 
> Should be Tri-Cities Hawks prior to Milwaukee Hawks.
> 
> >Rochester Royals -->Cincinnati Royals -->Kansas city-Omaha Kings --> 
Sacramento
> >
> >Ft. Wayne Pistons --> Detroit Pistons
> >
> >Philadelphia Warriors --> SF Warriors --> GS Warriors
> >
> >New Orleans Jazz --> Utah Jazz
> >
> >New York Nets --> New jersey Nets
> >
> >Comment: Houston Rockets did not move from San Diego. They are successor 
of 
> Denver Rockets of ABA. I think San Diego Rockets franchise folded.
> 
> I beg to differ -- the Rockets most certainly *did* move here from San Diego
> -- I was in my senior year of high school when they did.  The Denver Rockets
> are still around -- they're now the Denver Nuggets.

All of Humphrey's comments are correct, but I see a team left out...

Minnepolis Lakers (Can you say George Mikan?) ---> LA Lakers

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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Predictions.....
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 14:28:46 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.
Keywords: n

In article <1992Jul30.130448.2262@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:
>
>>(iv) NBA Champs....Phoenix Suns.  No big surprise.
>
>To YOU it wouldn't be a big surprise, to the the rest of the league...YES, it
>would be a surprise.  I am a huge BULLS fan and right now the team to beat is
>the New York Knicks.  They had a great off season and acquired alot of key men.
>The Suns only got Barkley and his sidekick EGO, but gave up a lot to get him.
>Also, you forgot the 2-time NBA champion Chicago Bulls.  No one has beat them
>yet, so don't give that championship out just yet.....

Well, Phoenix also acquired Danny Ainge, which pretty well makes up for the
major loss to get Barkley.  Basically, it looks like the same Phoenix team
with a little less by losing the three players, but gaining a HUGE amount more
in 1 superstar and one tough, seasoned veteran who plays very well.


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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the Dream Team's 3-pt shooting?
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:43:59 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <22813@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>The title says it all.  I was expecting some fancy 3-pt shooting display 
>from the Dream Team.  Any comment?
>
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Most of their game has been transition or easy layups.  They were off in 
their outside shooting last night, and were only 5-14 (36%).  Both Mullin
and Bird were not shooting great, going a combined 1-4 from 3pt land, and
Stockton is the other big USA three threat.

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From: sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Adelman gets 2 year contract extension
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:23:02 GMT
Reply-To: sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter)
Organization: National Center for Supercomputing Applications

I just read that Rick Adelman just signed a 2 year contract extension.
This is PARTICULARLY surprising, since everyone in the entire world
was talking about complete, wholesale changes for next season.
It seemed that every sportswriter that I've heard was predicting 
half the players to be traded (Duck, Kersey, Ainge (gone already), Porter),
and the coach replaced.

Hmmmmm.   So much for sportswriters....

Scott
From: fzchen@othello.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Portland 'Blazers Murray
Date: 21 Jul 92 23:24:13 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

To local Portland netters:

Could the success or failure of Murray in the summer league
have an influence in a future trade.

Anotherwords, do the Blazers want to see what Murray can do
before they let a small forward go in a trade?

Also, to any UCLA fans, how good is Murray?