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From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Fishing disruption in England
Date: 26 Jan 1993 13:55:20 GMT
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>Gordon MacPherson
>Sir William Dunn School of Pathology
>Oxford University WRITES:
 In one of our national nespapers today there was a report of a
>fishing match in England being disrupted by an anti-fishing group -
about 40
>individuals including some with underwater gear released fish, hit rods,
>splashed etc etc and caused chaos.  They had also arranged for a local TV
>station to be there to record the scene.

GORDON,  No doubt that the anti-fishing stance is here.  Could you
explain to a 
uninformed American what exactly is a 'fishing match'?  Is this the same
as a 
fishing contest in America?  If so, are the fish returned to the water
after
the 'Match Winner' is determined?
   What did these people claim?  Was it that the sportsmen killed the
fish, 'hurt' them while fishing, deplete a particular species, or, as I
suspect, do they just protest because they "love" animals?
	Also, did any sportsmen 'protest' the protestors?  What is the current
feeling
of the local population regarding this event.  Were they in general
supportive
of the protestors or is it to difficult to gauge the feelings of the
local population?
Was there any opinion voiced in the local papers regarding this event
(either pro or con)?
	Is there a way to prevent this from occuring again.  Any tactics that
sportsmen
can use to disrupt the protestors (short of killing them)?
  BOB DRONGOWSKI--"ICE FISHING IS REALLY A MISNOMER, MOST OF THE TIME" 
The Polish Fisherman
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From: jfc@salmon.macsch.com (Jack Castro)
Subject: Electric Trolling Motors
Organization: The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation (MSC), Los Angeles, CA, USA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:53:39 GMT

Does anyone out there have any recommendations on electric trolling motors?

I want to purchase an electric trolling motor for an 11.5 foot aluminum
boat. I plan on trolling flies for trout. How powerful of a motor do I
need? What are some useful options I might consider?

Thus far, I have only been to Sears and saw a 1 H.P. motor for $129.00 and
a 1.5 H.P motor for $219.00. Are these prices reasonable? I have heard the
horror stories about the gas powered Sears motors. Are the electric motors
just as bad?

Are there any good catalogs that I should look at for electric motors?

-- 
 
Jack Castro (j_castro@macsch.com)
The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation - Bellevue, WA
(All opinions expressed are my own and not my employers.)
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From: tomg@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Thomas J. Gilg)
Subject: Re: Fly recommendations for bluegill
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:24:36 GMT

> Can anyone here recommend any good flies for bluegill?

I always end up using a "Bluegill Bee", also known as a McGinty.
Using a long-shank #8 hook (e.g.  TMC300), tie in a few whisps of red
or orange hackle tips for the tail, then wrap yellow yarn 1/3rd way up
the hook shank, then wrap black yarn another 1/3rd way up, then tie in
a yellow hackle fanned back at 45 degrees (steelhead style).  The
final 1/3rd of the hook is a handle for wrenching the hook out when
a bluegill snarfs it down.   The yarn body is tight.

Small poppers and even dries are good also.

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com

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From: D1SAR@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Steve Rimar)
Subject: Re: e: 'The Flying Lure'
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:52:14 GMT

 
I have used the flying lure many times and have caught several largemouth
bass in the 6lb range.  It is a very good lure to jig and to use around
docks or edges of weeds.
 
 
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 11:33:36 -0600
From: Matt Rein #3 <mrein3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
To: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: (fish,depth)finders and Canoes?
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Organization: mailEnteringNews at Honeywell SRC


> 
> In article <1993Jan25.154104.420@cci632.cci.com>, rdi@cci632.cci.com (Rick Inzero) writes:
> > I first used a flasher (1960s circuit design), but upgraded 
> > to a MUCH more sensitive modern-design LCD last year.
> 
> Speaking of flashers, could anyone make a recommendation for the Vexilar FL-8 ?
> Any experiences, good or bad ?
> 
>

Very good for ice fishing.  You can watch the smallest perch hit your icefly.
Some people around here say it is too sensitive to use in the summer.  They
are full of it, my friend uses his all summer.

You know where I can find one cheap???

--
- Matt Rein
- mrein3@hp370d.cfsmo.honeywell.com

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From: jmc@moose.uvm.edu (John M. Connors)
Subject: (fish,depth)finders and Canoes? (Was: Re: Eagle 3-D)
Originator: jmc@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:43:53 GMT

From article <1993Jan21.000925.4124@rose.com>, by marv.bloom@rose.com (marv bloom):
> 
> Date Entered: 01-20-93 19:07
> M(:From: mjk11@po.CWRU.Edu (Mary J. Knowles)
> 
> M(:I am looking for a fish finder to use on NE Ohio inland lakes, mostly
> M(:fairly shallow, for my canoe.  A previous post emphasized the importance
> M(:of a wide-angle transducer in shallow water.  I just got my Spring
> M(:Bass Pro Shop catalog which has the Eagle Ultra 3-D with a 60 degree
> M(:beam from 3 transducers.  The phone rep said it has 600 peak to peak
> M(:watts, with depth ranges from 3 to 600 feet.
> 

I am in sort of the same boat. (pun intended) 

Are there other economy-minded anglers out there who fish from canoes
using depth finders?  Any advice?  Any stories?

I really enjoy fishing from my 17' squareback.  There are places where
I would have thought a depth finder who have helped a great deal.   
To be perfectly honest, I don't think I will in water over fifty feet in 
depth.  Is a fish/depth finder still practical device in my situation?  
My background dictates that I love electronic gadets,  (can't spell geek 
without EE) but no matter what I do my canoe will never be a Ranger
Bass Boat....Or could it?  :-)  

I am interested in a depth finders for the potential of mapping the 
bottom structure of my favorite waters for my various GIS projects.
Any recommendations?  

I know that the (depth,fish)finder thread is well worn and tiresome for
the angling Net Vets but how about just one more time.... :-) 

jmc
From: x91karpinski@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Help--Canada trip tips******************
Date: 21 Jan 93 00:51:34 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

I am looking for tips on your favorite drive-to and fly-in Canadian fishing
lakes.  We are planning a trip this summer and are trying to figure out
which lake or lakes to fish.

Most fishing will be done for walleye, pike, and possilby lakers and whitefish.

Any suggestion would be appreciated.

You can E-mail me at x91karpinski@gw.wmich.edu

I think we will be going to Ontario, or possible southeastern Manitoba.


Thanks in advance.

Chuck
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: dbuck@world.std.com (David C Churbuck)
Subject: Re: saltwater advise
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:30:25 GMT

In article <C19w6n.J38@apollo.hp.com> cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd) writes:
>    For 50 lb. stripers I'd advise against that cheap old Pate. Instead,
>I'd go with the Harrison Jupiter. Now *this* is a fly reel.titanium drag
>mechanism with a graphite impregnated cork disc, spare spools that inter-
>change between anti reverse & direct drive, a beauty ! It weighs 11.9 oz.,
>takes a WF12 and 1000 yds. of #30 backing ! Think of it, with this much
>backing you can set the record for landing a 50 lb. striper on a 2 weight !
>It only costs $1200 too ! And even if you only catch a 10 pounder - you'll
>look damned good. Either that or a Medalist 1598, they finally have a foot
>that fits most reel seats...                      
>
>
>                                                jc


ONLY $1200? Does it also shoot down incoming Scuds and do zero to sixty in
.4 nanoseconds? Jeez, and to listen to my grandfather talk about surfcasting
with a twine handline and a tin drail swung around at high speed and thrown
out without a rod.

The consensus I'm hearing in email replies to my original request for saltwater
fly reel advice is Lamson. So, counting my pennies, I'll start shopping soon.
-- 
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From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Fly recommendations for bluegill
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:59:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Can anyone here recommend any good flies for bluegill?

BTW, Why is there two fishing newsgroups? Inquiring minds
like mine want to know....

Greg
From: Steve Knapp <smk1@cornell.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Flea Market/Seminar
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:26:43 GMT
Organization: Cornell University
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X-XXDate: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:35:33 GMT

On March 6th the Cayuga Lake Charter Association will sponsor the 5th
annual Trout and Salmon Seminar held at the Ithaca High School cafeteria.
 Just as last year, the main feature of the event will be a day long
fishing equipment flea market scheduled to start at 9:00 a.m. and end at
5:00 p.m.  Tables are still available for those wishing unload their
garage of no longer used tackle or any other items related to enjoying
the outdoors.  Tables will also be staffed by many representatives of
fishing tackle manufactures.  Much of this years newest  equipment will
be on display.

Also represented are local and national derbies, taxidermists, and
charter captains.  Usually, many local merchants and tackle manufacturers
offer inventory clearance and close out specials.

As always, seminars will run throughout the day.  The Department of
Environmental Conservation will again present the "state of Cayuga Lake
report" in the afternoon.  DEC biologists will also be available to
answer questions before and after the report.  

Hot food and soft drinks will be available.  The very popular door prizes
should be greater than ever.  Admission to the seminar is $3.00 in
advance and $4.00 at the door.  

Proceeds from this event are used to support public fishing interests in
the Cayuga Lake region.  This year, the Association donated several
fishing sheds to Taughannock State Park.  The buildings are used by shore
fisherman to watch their lines while getting in out of the weather.  In
previous years proceeds from this event have been used to provide a shore
VHF radio station and a fish cleaning station at the Lansing Town Park. 
Park staff monitor several VHF channels to assist boaters with
emergencies and service information on the lake.  The winter fisherman
are especially fond of the sheds.  Several fishing trips for area youth
groups have also been funded by the seminar.

Charter captains DO NOT receive the proceeds from this event. 
Suggestions for how the seminar fund is utilized are always welcome.

Ithaca New York and Cayuga Lake are located in the heart of the Finger
Lakes Region.  For more information about the seminar or how to obtain a
table at the event, please contact me by electronic mail.

Capt. Steve Knapp
From: whitley@mksol.dseg.ti.com (harlon whitley 952-2342)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Has anyone used the Belly Boats?
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:15:48 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

Has anyone used the belly boats, the innertubes with
a nylon cover to fish with?  What do you think of
the belly boat in general, and where is a good
place to purchase them.  I have seen them in 
Bass Pro Shops and Cabella's or Gander Mountain,
I thought they were a little high.


Thanks,
Harlan
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: mac@ur.utk.edu (Richard J. McDougald)
Subject: BLUEGILL
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:11:48 GMT

Somebody posted a request for fly recommendations for bluegill and somebody
kinda poo pooed it with a "why catch bluegill anyway" response.  Let me say
this about that:
	I've fished in many places around this country (fresh and salt water)
and I've caught beaucoup brave fishes up to 150 lbs.  To this day, fly
fishing for "bream" remains one of my favorite activities.  Bluegill, green
sunfish, red eared sunfish, stumpknockers, pumpkinseeds, etc.  They're
plentiful, delicious, good fighters, etc.  You drift or wade into a 'gill
nest and BANG!  Quite exciting.  I fillet everything, including bream.  A
mess of french fry size fillets compares well, taste wise, to anything that
swims.  Also, the occasional 1 to 3 lb. bass that takes a bluegill fly or
popper is a nice plus.  Anyway, folks who equate fishing success with the
size of the fish are missing the point.
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Re: Has anyone used the Belly Boats?    
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:33:46 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University -- Atmos Sci


I might also add that there has been more than one occasion when the
fish were a little deeper than I could cast to from shore, and the
people in belly boats were mopping up.

I'm thinking about getting one for the upcoming spring........

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From: andrewb@lazy.demon.co.uk (Andrew Brown)
Subject: Re: Sweden, Lake fishing and Canoes near Stockholm
Reply-To: andrewb@lazy.demon.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:51:09 +0000

In article <1993Jan11.112448.20301@cs.hw.ac.uk> censwm@cend3c7.caledonia.hw.ac.uk (Stuart W Munn) writes:
| I am planning to be in Sweden for a week in late May. I would like to
| do some canoeing/camping/fishing for a few days near Stockholm. Anyone
| out there got any comments, contacts etc?
|
| Stuart
| --

There is not very much good fishing near Stockholm: the Baltic is full
of pike and perch inshore, with cod in the outer reaches of the
archipelago, and herring everywhere (the water is brackish, an case
you're wondering.) It is possible to catch salmon on the fly in the
middle of Stockholm, outside the parliament building, where there is a
lovely stream. But compared to the rest of the country it is not
spectacular :)

There are some put-and-take rainbow lakes in the area, but I can't be
more precise than that: it is some years since I lived in Sweden. Lake
Maelaren is full of freshwater fish and huge. Stockholm is built where
Maelaren debouches into the Baltic (that's where the salmon are going).

If you can spare the time to go West (in late May, perhaps South-west)
into the mountains and forests towards the Norwegian border, you will
have a great time.



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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: rigg@osnome.che.wisc.edu (Tim Rigg)
Subject: Re: Ice Fishing: annual informational post
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison, Chemical Engineering
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:32:50 CST
In-reply-to: Matt Rein #3's message of Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:20:16 -0600

In article <9301211821.AA11964@pserv.CFSMO.Honeywell.COM> Matt Rein #3 <mrein3@cfsmo.honeywell.com> writes:

   [Lots o' good stuff deleted]

   ...   Most ice
   fishing accidents occur when booze is involved or, believe it or not, the
   person is on a strange lake and drives into an open hole.  (Many lakes are
   spring fed and the ice in that area never forms or is very thin at best)
   I don't know of any car insurance policy that covers you when you drive out
   on the ice.  Agents don't even want to hear that you drive out there. ...

Actually, I called my agent (State Farm Insurance) and he said I would
be covered.  He said unless I did it deliberately or went out on 2
inches of ice I would be okay.  He said that if there were other
vehicles out there to go for it.   

tim
--
    ...  Then they came for me,
	   and by that time there was no one
	     left to speak up for me. (Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945)

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From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: Re:saltwater advise
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:42:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

    For 50 lb. stripers I'd advise against that cheap old Pate. Instead,
I'd go with the Harrison Jupiter. Now *this* is a fly reel.titanium drag
mechanism with a graphite impregnated cork disc, spare spools that inter-
change between anti reverse & direct drive, a beauty ! It weighs 11.9 oz.,
takes a WF12 and 1000 yds. of #30 backing ! Think of it, with this much
backing you can set the record for landing a 50 lb. striper on a 2 weight !
It only costs $1200 too ! And even if you only catch a 10 pounder - you'll
look damned good. Either that or a Medalist 1598, they finally have a foot
that fits most reel seats...                      


                                                jc
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: lgolder@hoh.mbl.edu (Robert Golder)
Subject: Re: Novice Rod Builder Needs More Help
Organization: Marine Biological Laboratory
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 13:49:45 GMT

In article <C15v1p.E6u@world.std.com>, 
dbuck@world.std.com (David C Churbuck) writes:
> 
> A while back I posted a question for some advice on rod building.
> My project, a 9', 10  wgt. saltwater fly rod is now underway,
> 
>This is a pretty beefy
> rod that I want to be capable of bringing a 50 pound striped bass
> in (don't I wish).
> 
> And, now that I have forked out over $200 for just the blank and
> fittings, I have to consider saltwater flyreels. I've used a
> Scientific Angler in the past, but somehow it just won't do for
> this custom baby. Should I save my pennies for a Pate, or wait
> until I win the lottery.
>
If you are seriously planning a campaign to catch stripers from forty to
fifty pounds, perhaps from a boat, you need a reel which will hold the 
fly line and a minimum of 200 yards of 30 lb. backing.  The Lamson LP-5 
is a good choice.  If you are more likely to fish from shore, to stripers
weighing ten to thirty pounds, you could use a Lamson LP-4, which at
8.5 oz. is an ounce lighter in weight than the LP-5, but has far less
line/backing capacity.  Typical 1992 retail prices were $200. for the LP-5
and $185. for the LP-4.

Bob
From: kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: HELP!, winter bass patterns...
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:11:44 GMT
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC

In article <1993Jan26.170228.12388@ncsu.edu> plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
>Can someone please give me the advantage of their knowledge about 
>late winter (pre-pre-spawn) reservoir bass patterns? 
>

My .02 in central South Carolina.

1) In the winter you will find bass deep (16 - 25 feet) and
   you will find bass shallow (1 to 6 feet) and you will find
   bass everywhere in between.

2) They will be hard to find, but when you find them they usually
   will be bunched up.

3) When you find them you will probably have to fish real Slow.

4) Find hard spots on the bottom.

5) Try craw-worms.

6) The other .98 cents worth is secret.

Keep your bait wet!
From: eamg052@orion.oac.uci.edu (Matthew Wesley Spitzer)
Subject: Re: Fly recommendations for bluegill
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Organization: University of California, Stepford
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:56:20 GMT

Absolutely any fly pattern you can imagine will perform exceptionally well
for catching bluegill. They aren't exactly rocket scientists.

Matt Spitzer
From: sandy@cs.montana.edu (Sandy Pittendrigh)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Fishing disruption in England
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:54:50 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <1k4554INN9pt@hp-col.col.hp.com> bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call) writes:
>Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu> writes:
>> 
>> >Gordon MacPherson
>> >Sir William Dunn School of Pathology
>> >Oxford University WRITES:
>>  In one of our national nespapers today there was a report of a
>> >fishing match in England being disrupted by an anti-fishing group -
	These anti-fishing types sound like large pain. But there
could be some fun in it. I suggest that every (fly fisherman) keep
a supply of #2 streamer hooks on hand, for jerk snagging. If they
get in your way, whose to say you hooked them intentionally? Hell,
you could get extra points for landing one! 
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From: macph@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Fishing disruption in England
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:07:51 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

I remember there was some discussion about anti-fishing groups on the net
recently.  In one of our national nespapers today there was a report of a
fishing match in England being disrupted by an anti-fishing group - about 40
individuals including some with underwater gear released fish, hit rods,
splashed etc etc and caused chaos.  They had also arranged for a local TV
station to be there to record the scene.

This is the first such incident I can recall in England - the anti's say they
are few in number at present but claim that they can call on much support from
anti hunting groups (beware confusion - in England hunting is chasing foxes
with horse and hounds, not shooting :-))

Gordon MacPherson
Sir William Dunn School of Pathology
Oxford University
865-275584