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From: bwebb@nrchh129.RICH.nt.com (Brad Webb)
Subject: RE: Posture, 
Organization: Northern Telecom, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:57:10 GMT

Dave Walters asks about posture....


Dave you're gonna hate me.

Realize it will take at least a month, maybe two to give yourself a 
  new habit.  The habit of good posture.

Try either a Martial-Arts class, make sure that the instructor stresses
  good posture... I do when I teach mine.

Or

Try a Dance Class, preferably ballet.
 

There are other ideas that could work but these seem to be the ones that 
  would focus the most in what you want most.  Granted they do it while 
  teaching something you may not want but that means that your good 
  posture will be a background habit,  even better.


B. Webb, Dallas, Tx.
From: deen@romulus.rutgers.edu (Cinnamon Raisin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Pizza!
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:51:44 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	Hi after years of discomfort I figured out that I have a
	lactose intolerance.  Dairy foods cause the usual symptoms
	that you can read about or just listen to one of the 
	commercials.

	What I find odd, however, is that pizza doens't seem to 
	affect me.  Pizza with REAL cheese.  As a matter of 
	fact, I feel pretty good after a couple of slices.  No
	problems whatsoever.

	What gives?

	Also is it possible to have an intolerance to fried foods?
	I get the same sort of effects from fried foods.

					...LATERness...

					-Z Raisin
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 Deen@Romulus.Rutgers.Edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: jjlawren@garfield.uwaterloo.ca (Jay Lawrence)
Subject: Pull-overs?  Useful or what?
Reply-To: jjlawren@garfield.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: Department of Computing Services, University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:22:16 GMT

This is one that is a mystery to me...what is it for?  I can see a
dumbbell pull over exercising your upper lats.  Earlier today I see
a posting about them working your lower pects too.

I have read that the stretch that you get in your abs from doing a
pull over isn't that good for your abdominal wall lining (read: it
can possibly tear it.)  Thus I understand that this is not a recommended
exercise.

BTW, in previous thread in talking about shoulders, I have since learned
that the upright row is a shoulder killer...I should know in my case
because it did lead to 'cuff probs.

Questioningly yours,
Jay

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: root@metis.tti.com (Operator)
Subject: Re: Low Body Fat Percentage but Spare Tire
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:51:30 GMT

In article <JONATHAN.93Jan1185105@speedy.cs.pitt.edu> jonathan@cs.pitt.edu (Jonathan Eunice) writes:
>
>   >[...] I still
>   >have flabby upper arms and stomach (where I used to carry a lot of the
>   >extra weight). Is there anything I can do to tighten up these areas short
>   >of losing extra pounds?
>
>   Just firm up the muscles.  You're down to 18% already, but nothing you
>   mentioned indicates that you're exercising those body regions.  So the
>   flabbiness is probably lack of muscle tone, not too much fat.
>
>And I thought the Myth of Spot Reduction had been completely exposed!

Please go back and READ what is being said.  The second poster is NOT
talking about spot-reducing fat; the discussion is about firming up
muscle, which CAN and DOES reduce "flabiness" locally.  For example, I
still had a saggy belly, despite being quite lean, until I added
oblique work to my ab routine.  It had nothing to do with spot-reducing
fat.  This may or may not be the original poster's problem, but your
comments were way off the mark. 

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mikep@g2syd.genasys.com.au (Michael Preedy)
Subject: skinny_legs
Summary: How to add mass to legs?
Organization: Genasys II, Sydney, Australia
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:14:32 GMT

I have been working out (on and off) for approx. 8 years now. In addition to
the weights (3 times a week) I also do a fair amount of running and play
football. I am 28 yrs old, 6'1" tall and weigh about 87kg (191lbs). My upper
body is very fit and strong and I am quite broad around the shoulders and chest
(43" chest), but have always had trouble adding size to my legs. At 33" my 
waist is fine but my legs are very thin in comparison to the upper part of my
body.

I do a leg workout once a week which consists of inclined leg press, leg 
extensions, leg curls and calf raises. I would love to include squats but
since I have problems with my knees (cartlidge) this is not possible. Each of
these exercises consists of 4 sets of 10-15 reps. I can leg press 400lbs so
my legs are fairly strong... just whimpy.

Can anyone suggest what I can do to improve this part of my body?

-thanks

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier)
Subject: Re: where do jocks buy jeans?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:39:23 GMT
Keywords: hard-to-fit

krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:

>Now that I have dropped 27 lbs and got my old physique back, I find it
>hard to buy pants again.  As for dress pants, I'm gonna have to re-acquaint
>myself with my tailor.  As for casual pants (ie., jeans, khakis, and twills),
>some brands fit and some don't.  The problem that I have with the ones that
>_don't fit_ is that they tend to be cut too-tight in the thigh _and_ too
>big in the waist.  Sound familiar?  I find that casuals by BLUEZONE and
>BUGLE-BOY tend to fit me pretty well, as do painters/carpenters pants by
>CARHART.  Now that I have lost my spare tire and butt, LEE, LEVI'S, and
>WRANGLER jeans simply do not fit.  I had some hope for the new crop of
>"loose fitting" jeans by LEE and LEVI'S, until I tried some on.  I found
>a pair that _almost_ fit, except that I could barely get my ankle thru
>the cuff.  Had I bought them, I would not have been able to wear any kind
>of boots with them.  (I have cowboy boots and work boots that I like to wear.)

>What I want to know is where do other wanna-be-jock-types get their
>jeans from?

>Keith R
Lee has several different styles, some are better than others.  If you
want jeans that fit, but aren't as fancy looking you can try Saint Johns Bay
or Long Haul.  I think you can get them thru the J.C Pennys.  You can also
try places like Farm and Fleet.  They have some 'off brands' that may fit
you.  As for jeans that look nice, like your used to with Lee and Levi you
aren't going to have a lot of luck.

Mark B.
From: shadow@pro-haven.cts.com (Blaine Hufnagle)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Vanadyl Sulphate: An experiment
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:39:40 -0600
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/846-3177, 9600-300
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In <17909@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:

% In reality, Aleck, I would like everyone that has used Vanadyl Sulfate to
% post their real life experiences to the net.  Please post the good as well
% as any bad stuff about VS.

Well, I tried it too.  In a single sentence, It wasn't bad, but in fact,
wasn't the mega-super supplement it was promised to be.  YMMV.

Now a more detailed explanation.  I got my bottle about three weeks before
Thanksgiving, which probably invalidated a lot of the results... :-)  I
managed, through forgetting a couple of mornings, to make my bottle last
about four weeks, where it was only supposed to last about two and a half.
(this may also account for some problems.)  At any rate, the week and a half
I managed to take it like I was supposed to, I noticed a small, but
measureable increase in both gym pump and out-of-gym size.  Also, my muscles
did seem to be a bit harder, but that's a little harder to quantify.  As for
increases in energy levels, No, not really.  I did notice that I got really
jumpy around 5:30 in the evening, when I found that it seemed that
everything around me and my mental processes were going about three warp
factors higher than they should have been.

The thanksgiving break in the middle of my trial was a feaux pas because I
went home to my very steroid-paranoid mother.  Trying to supplement my diet
with anything other than doctor-prescribed vitamins is like trying to pull
teeth with vise grips when I'm around her.  I missed several days here.

In all, I'm going to have to try another bottle.  I now know that SportPharma
sells a 180 tablet bottle for $34, where their 60 tab bottle (what I got)
costs $17.00.  For the lower price, the 60 tab bottle is rather a dud deal. 
go for the 180 tab bottle.

If nothing else, the VS helped me to eat regularly, something I'm NOT good
at.  This alone might have been responsible for much of the changes I noticed.

-blaine

          a.k.a. The Midnight Shadow    |  1979 Chevy Urban Assault Vehicle
Texas Aggie Bus Driver and proud of it! |  1982 Thomas Transit Liner bus
Another Bodybuilder from HELL!!         |  1982 Yamaha Vision   DoD #7192
        "Mine is not to wonder why, Mine is but to look and cry....."
From: jcross@aud.alcatel.com
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Loss of Energy midway through a set
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:27:03 GMT
Distribution: usa


The loss of energy 1/2 way thru the set is probably a result of the
extended lay-off. You should lower the weight of each set (how much 
depends on how much you started with) and shoot for 15 reps. This will
help your muscles get 'retrained'. You should probably keep this up for
atleast two weeks. Also, you will probably notice that instead of working
up in weight, to keep doing 15 reps you will have to move down. That's ok,
after a while this will stop and you can move back down to a lower rep 
count.

_just this guy...
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 16:56:53 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1993Jan8.200548.18834@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
>>
>
>Ok, Mr. Physics, but what about frequency?  If I am able to do two or more
>little strides to your one (you said it looked like slow motion), then
>I am still covering the same distance, and hence, doing the same work.

Yes.
This can be deduced by anyone who has had high-school physics.
>
>And although you are Mr. Physics, that apparently does not make you
>Mr. Anatomy.  A comfortable stride for a tall person (often a male)
>may actually be tough on the joints of a shorter person (often a
>female).  

Also true.

>On the other hand, I agree that supporting body weight is "cheating" but
>I really don't know why it should bother anybody.  Frankly, I don't
>see how supporting your body weight with your arms on a Stairmaster
>is any different than supporting your weight with your butt on a
>LifeCycle. 
>
Here is another physical principle. Supporting your weight with
your hands requires maintained physical effort, and is not
trivial. If you really wish to assert that one method of using
the Stairmaster is incorrect, you should be able to back it
up with the pulse rates of those people using the different
techniques. A poor technique, by definition, is one that does
not raise one's pulse into the aerobic range. If you know that
to be true for the "incorrect" Stairmaster technique, you should
say so. Otherwise, it is impossible to say which method is
"better".

Brian
From: actize@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: ABS & Beginner's Program
Date: 8 Jan 1993 06:00:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: ba
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1.	Abs - A SKINNY GUYS REVENGE !?! Eat your heart out !?!  I'm naturally 
skinny and have less problems with with abs than other areas.

2.	Beginners Program - Re-Re-Re !?! COMMON GUYS- he said BEGINNER.  How 
about just leaving it at alternate upper body and lower body days and some 
words of encouragement.  To the beginner - a.  If you feel something go snap, 
stop. b. The gym will probably have some live-in authorities (you saw their 
postings already).  Look for somebody wearing a badge and ask him the same 
question.  This method will cause you less problems in the local gym.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kimmyd@bnr.ca (Kimmy Posey P920)
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:39:23 GMT

In article <Jan.8.16.46.08.1993.3359@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
|> mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1993Jan8.192219.21089@news.acns.nwu.edu> bergstrm@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Todd Bergstrom) writes:
|> 
|> >On the other hand, I agree that supporting body weight is "cheating" but
|> >I really don't know why it should bother anybody.  Frankly, I don't
|> >see how supporting your body weight with your arms on a Stairmaster
|> >is any different than supporting your weight with your butt on a
|> >LifeCycle. 
|> 
|> Because when you cycle, your lower body does the work, and all of the
|> resistance comes from the tension on the bicycle.  Sitting doesn't 
|> change the resistance.
|> 
|> When you do the stairmaster, the work again, is done by your lower
|> body, but only some of the resistance comes from the machine.  A lot
|> of it comes from your body weight.  When you lean over, you do two
|> things: you support your weight with your upper body rather than
|> your lower body, which decreases the resistance, which makes it
|> easier, and you strain your back by assuming a bad posture.


I agree with Susan.  You get more out of a stepper when you just use
your arms to stabilize.  Leaning reduces the resistance.

KimmyD
From: agrawal@lipari.usc.edu (Amitabh Agrawal)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:54:33 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: misc
NNTP-Posting-Host: lipari.usc.edu


In article <wentzell.120.726759545@ace.acadiau.ca> wentzell@ace.acadiau.ca (LEEANN WENTZELL) writes:

   I would like to defend the "leaning-over" (aka "cheating") posture. I've 
   read, and have found from personal experience, that using an upright posture 
   works the quads more, while leaning over is better for the gluts and backs 
   of the thighs. For maximum butt toning, it is recommended that you go 30-60 
   min in a weight-forward position on a low resistance. I also have a 
   bad back, and this position causes me no discomfort whatsoever.
   ^^^^^^^^
 
I wonder why!!! :-)

But more seriously, my information is all from an article in "The LA
Times" fitness column where they recommended the "non-leaning over"
posture for stairmaster to avoid the lowerback problems. Also, the
same article recommended full strides for best gluteal development. 

But all this info should be taken with a grain of salt because I
distrust most doctors in these fields... I think usually their
thinking is highly unscientific and more anecdotal... 

Amitabh
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From: pdressne@netxcom.netx.com (Peter Dressner)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,misc.consumers
Subject: What treadmills are best?
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:48:58 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: NetExpress Inc., Vienna, VA

I need advice on buying a treadmill. I will only be walking (not
running) and will average an hour a day.

I'm currently looking at a Pro-Form treadmill (1.5 hp, 10mph)
with electronic incline. The Pro-Form is being sold for $699.

The Sears treadmill model is also made by Pro-Form.

Does any have any experience with this manufacturer, or can
anyone recommend any other treadmills.

Thanks in advance for your responses.

Peter
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Subject: Drugs/Being Disqualified in Competition/Names Published!           
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:22:05 GMT

In article <memo.857576@cix.compulink.co.uk> monster@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
> I'm doing an informal survey of attitudes towards and legality of alleged
>performance enhancing drugs in athletics and bodybuilding across the world.
>To this end I would welcome email from British, European, Scandinavian etc
>netters, with a view to finding out what's legal, safe and, above all,
>effective. eg is it possible to buy clenbuterol without prescription in
>Europe? (Spiropent or Clenasma?)

well, try this one on for size.  the latest issue of musclemag
international (w/boston celeb paul "quadzilla" demayo on the cover)
has an article about the canadian nationals.  at the end of it, they
list the names of those who were disqualified because of drugs, with
the actual results of the blood tests -- listing all the
drugs detected in each individual!  some of those gals and guys were
walking medicine chests (no pun intended!)........:)

poo
From: hacker@access.digex.com (Dark Hacker)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Abs Question
Date: 6 Jan 1993 04:16:45 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <1992Dec23.173915.6320@ads.com> lkenas@ADS.COM (Lisa Kenas) writes:
>
>Now granted, caffeine isn't the best thing in the world for you.  But is
>there any real reason one can't get lean while drinking caffeine?  I don't
>understand why a few cups of coffee would jeopardize an otherwise healthful
>diet.
>
>Lisa

Coffee simply is not good for you, although the jury is still out as to
how bad it is for you.  Out the window with it.  Even that good Sumatran peat.

>Lisa Kenas					Advanced Decision Systems
>lkenas@ads.com					Mountain View, California

Say.... isn't that a division of Booz Allen & Hamilton?

- Hacker
-- 
Dark Hacker @ Black Silicon, Fortress Of Computation
hacker@black-silicon.mclean.va.us

"Life itself is... COMPUTATION!"
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: StairMaster Technique?
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:18:18 GMT

It sounds like the "you must do the StairMaster correct" crowd probably 
thinks that it is pointless to run the Boston Marathon if you can't finish
in three hours.

My point is that you don't need to use "correct" form to get an aerobic 
workout.  I grant that it is "harder" to do a workout without supporting
your weight, but working out supporting your weight is not exactly couch 
potato activity either.  

And I don't know of anyone who has injured themselves by leaning--but I 
suspect my hip injury is due to doing the full motion on the LifeStepper 
(now I'm back to using StairMasters exclusively).

Frankly, unless we are talking competition (like the Concept II Crash-Bs),
the only concern should be whether the person is getting their pulse up to an
aerobic range for an appropriate amount of time.  

All the rest seems snobbishness to me--like I'm so superior if I can
do level 15 for 45 minutes--look Ma, no hands.

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: high reps + low weight = BIG muscles
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:22:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.091453.11079@vax.oxford.ac.uk> ayoung@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>
> According to classical fitness theory, very high reps (ie. hundreds) with
>low weight improve the slow-twitch aerobic muscles - which does NOT result
>in significant hypertrophy.
>
> So why do women who do lots of aerobics develop huge calves ?
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     ___
>    /   \   /                 |    /      Alan Young @ uk.ac.ox.vax
>   /____/  /  ___    __       |___/
>  /    /  /  /   |  /  |         /           "The bigger they are,
> /     \_/\__\__/|_/  /_________/               the harder they fall on you."

Alan-

	Diffent exercise routines for "strength", "size", "endurance" etc
dont produce those emphasised goals exclusively.  If you train for strength
you will also gain some size and *a little* endurance etc etc.

	Women who go ape on aerobics get bigger calves then they had before
they started.  These same women would have even bigger calves yet if they
did low-rep high weight bodybuilding etc.

Steve

emphasize those goals, they dont produce them exclusively.  If you
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: glex@nitro.cray.com (Jeff Gleixner)
Subject: Re: My plan Re:Beginner Program
Originator: glex@nitro
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:50:46 CST



wagner@@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes
Couple of things here...
1- Doing 5 sets of 12 reps while increasing the weight means that the 1st
4 sets were a waste of time.  Do 3 sets of going to fatigue.  If you want
to achieve 12 reps then you'll have to reduce the weight.  I'd suggest
doing 3 sets of 6 reps with whatever weight you can handle for day #1, then
on your next upper body workout do 3 sets of 12 reps.  This is easier on the
joints.  Also order is important.  Usually work larger -> smaller muscles.
So the following should have tricep pushdowns & rows swapped (actually I
think rows are much better so I'd put them before pulldowns).  Squats should
be the 1st exercise for the lower body followed by leg extensions then 
leg curls and calf raises.  I'd also drop the pec-deck for the 1st 6 months
and concentrate on benching.  Do the basic exercises (the ones that use
many muscles squats, bench, row, military press, deadlift) for 2-3 sets of
failure and increase the weight used when you're able to do more reps than
you'd like (7 or 13 in the above example).

>	Bench Press:	5 sets / 12 reps increasing weight
>	Pec Deck:	5 sets / 12 reps 1st light rest normal
>	Lat Pulldowns:	5 sets / 12 reps 1st slightly lighter rest normal
>	Tricep Pushdown:5 sets / 12 reps 1st light last heavy@8 reps
>	Rows:		5 sets / 12 reps increasing weight
>	Curls:		5 sets / 12 reps 1st light rest normal
>
>	Hamstring Curl:	5 sets / 12 reps 1st light last heavy@8 reps
>     	Quad Curl:	5 sets / 12 reps 1st light
>	Deltoid Press:	5 sets / 10 reps 1st light last heavy@8 reps
>	Calf Curls:	5 sets / 12 reps 1st light rest normal
>	Squats:		5 sets / increasing weight

-- 
glex@nitro.cray.com  === "Difficult tasks are never easy..."
From: mtaffe@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Michael Taffe)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: where do jocks buy jeans?
Keywords: hard-to-fit
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:35:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego

you don't have to be a jock to fall outside of the fashion industry
models of average shape!  some of us have difficulty with clothes even if
we weren't jock-o's.  for all of the big thigh types out there, though, try
GAP jeans.

-taffe
From: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Target Heartrate
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:55:29 GMT
Reply-To: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV
Distribution: usa,na
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov

In article <1ihqvkINN9es@fnnews.fnal.gov>, behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV writes:
> For a better understanding/explanation of this, pick up a copy of "The
> New Fit or Fat" at your local bookstore.
>
 I didn't include the authors name in the last post 'cause I couldn't remember
it.  It finally came to me.  Covert Bailey.

My opinions are my own, and MOST of them don't mean a thing !

mb