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From: albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball Sources
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:43:42 GMT
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In article <rotheroe.714838890@convex.com> rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe) writes:
>>>Also I want to make a silencer for my .68 Special does anybody out there 
>>>know how they are constructed?  It looks like 2 tubes of PVC pipe with
>>>sound absorbing stuff in between.
>
>>One of the older silencer's I got consist of two tubes.  The inside tube
>>has holes drilled into it ala muzzle break.  Wrap a brillo(tm) pad around
>>the inner tube and slide on the outer tube.  Two giiant rubber washers hold
>>the two tubes together by friction.
>
>Of course, you've just broken a Federal Firarm Law, which has some pretty
>severe penalties.  All firearm sound supression devices must be approved
>by the BAT, including paintball gun ones.  While I wouldn't worry about
>it too much, if you did happen to get stopped by the lower 1% of the police

I don't worry about it too much.  I haven't used them in years.  They won't
fit on my 68-Special barrel. ^_^  A few months ago, the I&I Sports ad in
APG had a little disclaimer under the silencer section saying that they wre
illegal in California.  Some of the later I&I ads don't have the disclaimer
anymore.  Weird.
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From: albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball Sources
Date: 26 Aug 92 08:24:52 GMT
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In article <36833@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> bjs@neptune.phys.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith) writes:
>
>Aslo I want to make a silencer for my .68 Special does anybody out there 
>know how they are constructed?  It looks like 2 tubes of PVC pipe with
>sound absorbing stuff in between.
>

One of the older silencer's I got consist of two tubes.  The inside tube
has holes drilled into it ala muzzle break.  Wrap a brillo(tm) pad around
the inner tube and slide on the outer tube.  Two giiant rubber washers hold
the two tubes together by friction.
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From: kyasuda@ecn.purdue.edu (Ken Yasuda)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball Sources
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:12:27 GMT
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Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

>Aslo I want to make a silencer for my .68 Special does anybody out there 
>know how they are constructed?  It looks like 2 tubes of PVC pipe with
>sound absorbing stuff in between.

Putting a silencer on a .68?  Think for a moment: there's a cleaning port on
the left-hand side of the gun which lets out huge blasts every time the gun
fires.  At best, you could make the .68 sound like one loud gun instead of two
loud ones.  ;)  I don't think you can win much by putting a silencer on.  You'd
be better off getting another gun.

Ken
kyasuda@ecn.purdue.edu
From: gt9989a@prism.gatech.EDU (John Martin Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Clarifications with Apologies
Date: 28 Aug 92 06:32:23 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I change my mind.   I have recieved mail showing to me in my own writing that
I contradict myself on my surrender point.   So yes, I am a cut throat
paintballer, and I guess I always have been if shooting someone without
asking them to surrender is cut throat.  I will point out though that I have
never maimed, mutilated, or otherwise injured in any fashion any player
above what can be expected for shooting them with a round object at 300 fps.
I would also like to point out that in a previous article, Steven writes
that 'people with semis aren't candidates for surrender.'  Are we to judge
the need for others' safety by how much damage they can do to us? I have
admitted my contradiction, and it is interesting to note, that if I am not
mistaken it was Steven himself that pointed my contradiction out to me.
Is not allowing someone with a semi the opportunity to surrender any less
cut throat than not allowing someone with a Splatmaster to surrender?

Think about it.
John
 
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From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball Sources
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:20:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <rotheroe.714838890@convex.com> rotheroe@convex.com (Dave Rotheroe) writes:
>severe penalties.  All firearm sound supression devices must be approved
>by the BAT, including paintball gun ones.  While I wouldn't worry about
>
>Dave Rotheroe                rotheroe@convex.com              DoD#0045

	Paintguns are considered firearms?  I know NJ restricts airguns
like they were firearms, but I always thought that was just 'cause the NJ
gov't likes banning things.

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From: Rich.Rubel@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Silencers and PB guns
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:47:31 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


Ask a local gun dealer about silencers?  That's *exactly* what I did, and
you read the reply I got.  And disagreed with it.
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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball,alt.sport.paintball
Subject: 91 series Bushmaster Dlx
Keywords: sale,accurate,there is no substitute
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:35:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: panix.1992Aug29.203504.15714
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC



For Sale:
91 series Bushmaster Deluxe.

* 14" Micro hone removable barrel.
* 7 ounce pin valved CA tank
* adjustable hammer with velocity tool
* Thunder Pig color coded velocity adjustment springs  (full set of 8 springs)
  using the spring kit I have adjusted my gun down to 175, for indoor paintball
  to well over 350 (at the chrono, just to see how far the springs go) (^-^)
* 100% Nelson compatible.
* Aircraft Aluminium and Steel contruction through out.
* enclosed valve body ASA
* TASO iron front post and rear notch sight.

The lowest current price I found for the Bushmaster Deluxe is the $235 from
DRACO (price doesn't include CA tank).  I estimated at least $300 (not including
postage and handling) to duplicate the set-up I have.  
I am asking $220 for my Bushmaster.
 
e-mail for further details

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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Sl-68II or Trracer
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:02:46 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Aug24.085628.2009@wkuvx1.bitnet> hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
>I'm new to paintball and I was looking to buy a beginner's gun. I've
>cut my choices down to the Tippman Sl-68II and the PMI Trracer. I want
>to get your opinions on these two weapons and it might help me make my
>decision easier. I want to know is it easy to add on thing to the gun,
>accuracy, dependability.
>
I don't own a Tippmann SL-68II but I've used them and help sell some used ones
for my friends in the past.  The best thing about the Tippmann SL-68II is the
factory warranty.  Tippmann has the best warranty/ customer service policy I
have encountered.  If anything ever goes wrong with your SL-68 II just drop a 
to Tippmann and send in the gun.  The Tippmann literature states that a labor
/parts fee will be charge.  But so far I haven't heard anyone who was gotten a
bill when Tippmann fixed their guns.
The first thing I noticed about the Sl-68II was the bottom line and the notched
rear sight.  This made for clear targeting.  The cast metal finish on the 
reciever doesn't seem to show wear as readily as other finishes.  I found combat
range accuracy acceptable but my friend said that the gun didn't have the range
he wanted.  As for accesories and add ons, you'll save yourself $50 since you
don't need to buy a bottomline kit.  You can add on an aimpoint sight or
upgrade to a longer or better aftermarket barrel.  You don't need to buy a
sling since one comes standard and I've rarely seen people fidgetting with
their SL-68IIs.

I haven't seen the PMI Traccer in action but seen some favorable reviews by
traccer owners on the net.  Hopefully they can answer the other part of your
question.


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From: dumais@apple.com (Paul E. Dumais)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Vents Predators?
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:57:39 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

I have the Vents Predator mask.  It's excellent.  I tried all of the 
available goggle/mask systems and I think the Vents are the best.  
The only system that's close is the Scott Panorama system (I think it's Scott)
Vents have 100% peripheral vision available.  JT X-Fire does not.
Vents have a patented air-flow system that works great.  JT X-Fire, so-so.
Vents Predator mask is light, flexible, and good protection.  JT-Xfire is
not as light and tends to dig in to your neck when you turn your head.

One very cool thing that I saw from JT was a custom designed fan that fits
into the top air vents on the X-Fire system.  THAT should stop fogging.  It
is supposed to be great for people with glasses becuase it keeps the glasses
fog free as well.

I find that the Scott Panorama gear to be the next best thing AFTER Vents.

FYI: I sweat *a lot* so I had to get the best.  I have actually been able to 
fog my Vents.  (Vents owners shake their heads :-) )  Since I started using
one of the commercially avialable anti-fog/anti-static pastes that you rub on
and then buff off I CAN NOT fog the lenses.  This is true for any lens, not
just Vents.  I have spoken to a guy here in Northern California and he is
developing a liquid that will do the magic of a paste but you DO NOT HAVE TO
BUFF IT OFF.  That will be excellent because the buffing can cause tiny little
scratches on the lense.

Well, there you have it.

-ped-
Paintball Fanatic

In article <1992Aug27.123519.2044@wkuvx1.bitnet>, hargijk@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
> 
> 
> 
> O.K. since no one will answer my post about the Sl-68II vs. Trracer, I
> have decided to try again. This time though, I want to know what
> people think about the Vents Predator OTG Thermals. If you have one,
> let me know how you feel about it versus JT X-Fire system. Is it
> better or worse and why?
> 
> 					Joey Hargis
> 					"Newbie"
> 
>
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Vents vs. JT X-Fire
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:19:40 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <7540@monmouth.edu> c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.162138.21888@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>>Switching to contacts isn't a practical
>>solution for everyone since contacts don't correct for astigmatism.  :-(
>>
>>-- 
>>HenryC@Panix.Com
>
>	You sure about that?  I have mild astigmatism yet wear contacts.  
>They correct as well as the glasses I must somtimes wear (problems with an
>eyelid)
>
I guess your astigmatism is mild.  I couldn't find astigmatism corrected 
contact lens for my eyes; -10.00 for right and -9.50 for left.  Heck, I
even had trouble finding disposable lenses in my perscription.  Hmm..maybe
I should get perscription JT goggles as an alternative.  (^-^)

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 28 Aug 1992 00:41:42 CDT
From: DMc <U53306@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Vents Predators?

I think vents kicks butt over X-fire.  but I think Scott kicks butt over
vents.

Dave McCarty <u53306@uicvm.uic.edu> <mccarty-zodiac@nova.novanet.org>
Paintballer Extraordinaire  (HA!)  F.Y.B.I.P.P.B.  IPPA #5666
coming soon:  <dlm@psyche.jglaser.com>  master of uniVerse!
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Vents vs. JT X-Fire
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:21:38 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <sterling.714952072@crash> sterling@crash.cts.com (Mike Sterling) writes:
>I like the X-fire system better for the basic reason that I wear glasses and the Vents made my glasses too uncomfortable.  I asked around to see if they had an OTG (Over The Glasses) version of the Vents, and no one had heard of one.  If
>you wear glasses, this is something to consider.
>
>Othere then that, I liked the better range of movement that I had with the Vents system, but I think that I would prefer the Scott Goggles over both systems.
>The big advantage that the Scott Goggles have over both the Vents and the X-Fire is that you have a 180 degeree field of vision.  If I didn't need to wear 
>glasses, this is proably the set-up that I would go with.
>
Several friends of mine who wear glasses often switch over to contacts for the
lesser impaired vision.  One of my friends found out that his no fog goggles
worked but his glasses fogged up.  Switching to contacts isn't a practical
solution for everyone since contacts don't correct for astigmatism.  :-(

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: blatter@ifi.unizh.ch (Martin A. Blatter)
Subject: Paintball players arrested
Keywords: police, legal, illegal
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 07:08:30 GMT

Six paintball players have been arrested by the police in Switzerland 
recently while playing in a forest. They are accused for disturbing 
wildlife in the forest, breaking public peace at night, and illegal 
and improper use of pyrotechnical appliances.

The cops arrived on the place equipped with bulletproof vests and
snipers after they have been called by neighbours who heard shooting 
sounds in the forest.

Paintball games are already prohibited in two other states (cantons)
of Switzerland. It's probably only a matter of time until paintball
games are declared illegal in other states as well (there has been 
no precedent where we play though).

Now for my questions:

- Is Switzerland the only country in the world disallowing paintball
  games? How is the legal situation in other countries?

- Are paintball guns (legally) treated as weapons or toys in your
  country?

- Is there an internatinal organization supporting paintball players 
  who are threatened by a lawsuit?

Thanks in advance
--Martin

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From: IZZYOA1@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Southern California Warzones...
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:05:21 PDT

 CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME OF A GOOD SOLID, FUN, DIVERSE, WELL MANAGED
 PAINTBAL FIELD NEAR THE LOS ANGELES AREA?  LIVING IN THIS CITY LEAVES
 MUCH TO BE DESIRED WHEN IT COMES TO PAINTBALL.  MY INSTICTIVE DESIRE
 TO SPLATER PEOPLE WITH PAINT THANKS YOU.
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From: mirth@maple.circa.ufl.edu (NAME)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball Sources
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:14:49 GMT
Reply-To: mirth@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities

In article <36833@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, bjs@neptune.phys.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith) writes:
>Does anybody have a good source for a case of paintballs ?  I can get them
>from a local guy (who I would like to give some biz) for $120.00 for a case
>of 2500 of RP Scherer.  Fresh (the factory is in Florida)  are there better
>sources out there? under 100 bucks ?
>
>Aslo I want to make a silencer for my .68 Special does anybody out there 
>know how they are constructed?  It looks like 2 tubes of PVC pipe with
>sound absorbing stuff in between.
>
	Can't help you with the case, but a friend of mine makes incredible
silencers.  First, he takes a 7-8 inch long piece of PVC and drills holes all
about 30 holes in the last 5 inches of it.  Then he wraps it with (get this)
panty hose and gauze.  on top of that he glues a piece of accordioned(?)
tubing.  I've shot at people up to 10 times with this silencer before they
figured out where I was.  (Doesn't say much for my accuracy, but the people I
shot at were damn impressed with the silencer.)	

	Hope this helps.

	Don
From: kyasuda@ecn.purdue.edu (Ken Yasuda)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball Sources
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:32:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <n4bn_3p.albertw@netcom.com>, albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug26.190103.553@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> kyasuda@ecn.purdue.edu (Ken Yasuda) writes:
|> >>One of the older silencer's I got consist of two tubes.  The inside tube
|> >>has holes drilled into it ala muzzle break.  Wrap a brillo(tm) pad around
|> >>the inner tube and slide on the outer tube.  Two giiant rubber washers hold
|> >>the two tubes together by friction.
|> >
|> >Brillo?  What made you choose that?    Did this silencer work any better than the
|> >stock TASO silencers?
|> 
|> It came like that.  Never bothered to change it.  Dunno, would foam work
|> better or maybe a sock? ^_^
|> 
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I've thought about making silencers (won't admit to trying to make one ;)  ), and
it has always seemed to me that the filling would probably need to be made out of
	
	i) a material that has a fairly low density. Dense materials tend to 
	transmit sound better, and for a silencer we want the sound absorbed, 
	instead.  (Think of how curtains in a room reduce the echo; now think of
 	how much it would still echo if we were now to hang woven-steel sheets 
	in place of the curtains)

	ii) that same material in a porous form (so lots of air can move into
	the fiber matrixi and have its expansion slowed down). 

	
	I figure that cotton or very loosely-packed wool should do the trick the
best, but I've yet to try them out.  I know that you can get polyester wool in
fabric shops, but I'm not too keen on it myself because it's sort of rigid 
(checked some out last Saturday, and got some weird stares from the shop 
ladies :o  )

All of this is just my conjecturing, though.  I'm willing to try anything that
works.  Did the brillo make your silencer better, then?

Ken
kyasuda@ecn.purdue.edu
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Tuesday, 25 Aug 1992 05:58:15 EST
From: Tad Simmons <SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: If you could design a gun, what would you put on it?
 <roeschmf.714460231@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>

In article <roeschmf.714460231@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>,
roeschmf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Martin F. Roesch) says:
>
>  Ok, you asked for it.  My ultimate fantasy gun is a six barrel Gatling
>configuration.  My friends and I decided that at 3 R.P.S., you would get a
>rate of fire to keep semi people's heads down.  The loading would be done
>by centripetal force of the barrels rotating, and some sort of gas
>system would have to be developed.  A cam would cock and fire each of the
>barrels as it went through its cycle.  Sound hideous?  Tripod, 1000 round
>ammo hopper and 50 oz CO2 tank is optional.  The barrels would be rotated by
>some type of electric motor, most likely.  You wouldn't be able to move fast,
>but God help anyone who gets in your way...
>
Ok, I have a design that would ONLY be good for site defense, but would outdo
even this monstrosity.  ;)
**Warning, ASCII graphics follow...

              |   Big  |
              | P-ball |
              | hopper |
               \      /
                 \  /
                  ||
 =================##===@ hook a gas-driven air compressor up here

Attach some kind of swivel mount, and you have a quantized squirt gun!  ;)
No moving parts (outside of the compressor, of course), relatively simple
velocity control (just change the chamber pressure), and a truly daunting
volume of paint.  Whaddya think?  (btw, patent pending...  ;)

Another idea I had was a semi with a pump mounted underneath.  Use the semi
for covering fire, but have a really nice micro-honed barrel for those all-
important distance shots.
From: billc@mpd.tandem.com (Bill Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: SMG-60 and other things
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:06:57 GMT
Reply-To: billc@zippy.UUCP (Bill Carter)
Organization: Tandem Computers, Austin TX

>In article <1992Aug31.192541.7694@auto-trol.com> stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer) writes:
>cool.  Things like specialized camo, load-bearing equipment, 
>add-on scopes, things like that.  So, what is the most useless

   One guy I know who has some extra discretionary cash was looking
   for a good infrared imaging scope.  He wanted to be able to see
   heat pictures of people in the bushes like the monster in the movie
   "Predator" could do.  He discovered that you can't really get
   an IR scope with a sensitive detector that will work at room
   temperature.  Good scopes apparently have supercooled detectors
   using liquid nitrogen or something.  Too expensive even for him,
   and a lot of hassle besides.

   -Bill Carter
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