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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: RAS Lives!
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:53:19 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <3973@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
>In article <BtyEI6.1s2@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> pealbers@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul E. Albers) writes:
><In article <3953@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
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><If I can post to it and read from it then it exits.  I know that it is not
><supposed to 

>You even got cut off in mid-sentence.

>Even though it is there, it doesn't mean that you have to use it.  The only
>way we are going to get this group to go away is to not use it.

Either that or, gol durn it, someone is just going to have to update that
darned news software so it handles deleted groups properly...

-- 
Michael Rawdon	    rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu  [Note new address!]
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: dead languages
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 13:00:40 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

jacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (Jamey Jacob) writes:

> My memory on this is vague, but does anyone remember an episode
> where a 20th century language was used that nobody knew, and the
> Data or someone remarked that it was an old language that died
> out in the 21st century or so.  It was something common like
> German or Spanish.  What language was it and what episode?
> 
> Thanks....

It was French, (much to the chagrin of Monsieur Le Capitain Picard)
It was first season, but I don't remember the episode.

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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: patmcg@home.merit.edu (Pat McGregor)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG actors on other series (Patrick Stewart)
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:59:02 GMT


Wasn't Patrick Stewart (plus hair) Gurney Halleck in _Dune_.?
 
Gates McFadden was also Dabney Coleman's secretary in _Muppets Take 
Manhattan_.
 
Pat McGregor
patmcg@merit.edu
From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Planet Earth
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 18:22:59 EDT
Organization: Berry Communications

jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:

> In article <92Aug23.194723.26559@acs.ucalgary.ca> I wrote:
> >While lounging around on Sunday afternoon, TBS showed 'Planet
> >Earth' - a 1974 movie (failed pilot?) written/produced by Gene
> >Roddenberry.

Yes, it was a failed pilot.  In fact, it was the second pilot for that
series.  The first is called "Genesis II" and features Mariette Hartley
as a mutant with two navels.

> >
> >Spooky stuff:
> [trekisms nuked]
> 
> Add a young amazon warrior, played by Diana Muldaur.

And a high-ranking official played by Majel Barrett.

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From: wbrs@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (WBRS-FM 100.1, Waltham MA USA)
Subject: Re: one of the best episodes
Reply-To: wbrs@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:47:11 GMT

In article <BtLwKB.D1n@nntp-sc.Intel.COM>, cmadrid@sedona.intel.com (Corrina Madrid) writes:
>
>Since there are so many messages regarding what episodes
>they thought were the worse, i thought i'd write in with
>the episode of TNG that i thought was the best.  

	Agreed, that episode (I think it was called Cause and Effect) was great
my fav. to show people that aren't hooked on TNG is The Most Toys.  But, I
think my all time favorite episode would have to be The Best of Both Worlds. 
I don't think I have ever been more excited about a season premiere, also
incredible music.
				-KT
>
From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Prime Directive
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:00:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Shacha Robert!

[rbd] I think that there is evidence in TOS that the Federation does
      require  its civilian members to respect the prime directive.
I don't think so. At least, I can't remember any or very many hints on
civilian life in that time, anyway!

[rbd] First of all, no one just flys around the galaxy wherever they darn
      well please without filing a flight plan.  Mudd was charged, by Kirk,
      for violating this law in "Mudd's Women".
As far as I remember, Mudd was charged for flying without license and for
using this drug.

[rbd] It is my theory that certain planets are marked as accessible to the
      general Federation population. While other planets are undoubtedly
      marked as off limits (because they are too primitive in some way).
And how do you think could this be controlled?

[rbd] Anyone who flys around exploring uncharted areas or who wishes to
      visit a restricted planet is probably  required to take an oath to
      uphold the prime directive.  Of course this would include all Star Fleet
Yes, but that doesn't mean much!

[rbd] I also suspect that many of the same kinds of security measures
      that we use today are in effect.
Which are?

[rbd] None-the-less, small violations of non-interference probably occur
      every day.  I imagine though, that your average federation citizen
      doesn't own his own phaser... and probably doesn't know how they work
      anyway (this is just a guess though).
But interference doesn't necessarily mean or require phasers! You can
do that in many ways.

Oyori - Sem [from finally rainy Northern Germany]
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Actors' Other Roles [1/1]
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 12:04:10 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

dave@gergo.tamu.edu (Dave Martin) writes:

> In article <dtgordon.715442702@unix1.tcd.ie>, dtgordon@unix1.tcd.ie (Damian G
> }In <rccarm00.715440319@mik.uky.edu> rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman) writ
> }>                       Star Trek Actors' Other Roles             Edition 1
> }>James Doohan
> }>-----------------
> }>Television:  Ben Casey; Bewitched; Bonanza; Fantasy Island; 
> }>  	     The Fugitive; Gunsmoke; Hazel; Marcus Welby, M.D.; 
> }>	     Peyton Place; The Virginian.
> }Knight Rider 2000

An episode of The Man from U.N.C.L.E. packaged as a movie, One of Our
Spies is Missing, I don't know the name of the original, "affair".


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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: umlippen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rick Lippens)
Subject: Re: DS9: Who will star?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 02:31:48 GMT

hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>(Rick Lippens) writes:
>> Exactly who will be starring on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine?
>> Any of Star Trek: The Next Generation cast members on permanent/re-occuring
>> roles?
>> 
>For someone living in a country where they are only screening the second series
>of The New Generation, could you please elaborate on what exactly is "Star
>Trek: Deep Space Nine".  Is it a proposed spin-off?  If so, is it going to be
>a one off  special or a full series?

>Richard.

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine is the new proposed spinoff of Star Trek and 
Star Trek: The Next Generation from Paramount.  This full series will likely
take over when The Next Generation disappears (and a rumor circulating up
here in Canada indicates that it may be sooner than we were originally led
to believe).  It will hopefully be an interesting change for Star Trek
fans, as it will stray from the conventional norms that we are used to
(i.e. no more Enterprise, no more tranquility, etc.)...

RGL
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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: What would you do with the power of the Q ?
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:33:58 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Aug27.172754.20248@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
> In article <1992Aug26.143139.2786@midway.uchicago.edu> mjm4@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>
>>I'd use the power of the Q to shrink the size of Troi's butt.
> 
> Y'know, it's amazing the kind of abuse Sirtis takes on this group over
> her physical features.  The woman is in no way overweight.  She is a
> woman.  Women have hips, unlike the models we Americans constantly have
> shoved in our faces that are built like little school boys.  These
> models do not represent human physical norms.  They starve themselves
> for this effect in order to wear clothing invented by twisted _men_ who
> have some fantasies about what women should look like.
> 
> Subject two:  Sirtis' breasts (or as they are referred to here,
> "hooters").  She is not, contrary to popular opinion, posessed of overly
> large breasts.  They are small to average at best.  However, the costume
> designers go out of their way to accentuate them as much as possible.
> I'm glad to see that in Roddenberry's Wonderful World of the Happy
> Future, male cheauvenism is still tolerated.  If Marina's never
> complained about the plunging-neckline uniforms she's been given to
> wear, she has every right to.
> 
> Give the lady a break, already.
> 
> 
> -- 
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Yeah!  Go Gary!  Thanks, from one of the female gender who's really tired of
the sexist comments on this group.

Kellie Matthews-Simmons
internet:;matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: mcohen@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: DS9: Who will star?
Organization: Clark University
Date: 31 AUG 92 14:33:19 GMT

In a previous article, umlippen@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Rick Lippens) wrote:
>Exactly who will be starring on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine?
>Any of Star Trek: The Next Generation cast members on permanent/re-occuring
>roles?
> 
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Currently known stars of Deep Space Nine:

	Avery Brooks as Cisco, commander of the station
	Rene Auberjonois as Odo, the shapeshifter
	Mike Gomez as a Ferengi barkeep

  Also, the actors who plays Miles O'Brien (transporter chief) and his wife 
will play the same characters in DS9.  O'Brien will likely have a more 
important role (Chief Operating Officer, or some such).

  Avery Brooks is best known as "Hawk" on Spenser: For Hire.  Rene as the 
obnoxious assistant in Benson (forget the character name); he was also in two 
scenes in Star Trek VI that only made it to the video release.  I don't have a 
clue who Mike Gomez is.

  Some are still asking what Deep Space Nine is.  There have been better 
descriptions, but I'll recap quickly.  "Deep Space Nine" is a space station in 
Bajoran space near a stable wormhole.  (Ensign Ro is Bajoran to help you place 
it.)  (Wormhole is a gateway to another section of space.)  Bajorans don't 
want to run it, so the federation does.  Supposedly its a slimy place, a real 
mess after a war, and filled with lots of alien races.  Takes place at the 
same time at Star Trek: The Next Generation.  Filming has (likely) begun.  
We'll see it in January '93.  It will run concurrently with TNG for roughly 18 
months, then TNG will likely end and DS9 will become the only new Trek on TV.  
There's a FAQ around someplace that explains all this better.

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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Who's got the best beam-out?
Date: 29 Aug 92 01:49:32 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <92Aug28.160116.20645@acs.ucalgary.ca> jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
>Hmmmm... Out of the Federation sparkle, Q flash, Ferengi swirl,
>(is it just me or does this sound like an order placed in

Trek should use a beam-out sometime similar to the ones on Blake's 7
I think.  Beam-up was very cool, the person faded into an outline, and
then the outline exploded into the rapidly expanding outline of a circle
that shoots off into infinity.  Going down from the ship looked very
painful, as though the person's image were being sent through an 
oscilloscope or a bad 50s TV set!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: "The Royale" (was Worst TNG episodes)
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 13:58:21 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:

> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug26.034601.1544@news.iastate.edu> techy@iastate.edu (Troy 
> 
> >>Alas.. i think "The Royale" is accepted as one of the worst episodes by
> >>the majority of fans.. if i can make that generalization.
> 
> >I think you are correct saying that most r.a.s.ers consider "The
> >Royale" as one of the worst episodes.  However, they are wrong.  
> 
> Good ol' Windsor.  Even when I'm downscaling my activity, he never misses a
> shot to bring me back to the fray.
> 
> Being one of those "most r.a.s.ers" who despises "The Royale", I have to
> dispute this.  The show has had two *serious* competitors for worst TNG ever,
> but both fell short:  "Qpid" was second worst for a while, and was then 
> bumped to third by "Cost of Living".  Now, I'll grant you that part of my
> objections to "The Royale" *may* be a result of habit these days; but the 
> only way to find out if it's really worse than the above two is to watch all
> three in a short time period, and the only way you'll ever get me to do that
> is to pay me a large amount of money and the resulting medical expenses.  ;-)
> 
> Tim Lynch

Well I guess I'm not among the "most r.a.s.ers."  Which could be good.  :)
Yes, while I'll agree that "The Royale", and "Cost of Living",  were among the
worst episodes, I did like "Q-pid".  It is, in fact, one of my favorites.  Not
that there was a really great quality to it, but on the mere fact that it
was fun.  I think ST needs a little laugh now and then, and "Q-pid" gave
us that.  Humor has always been a part of ST, otherwise we wouldn't have
had "The Trouble with Tribbles", or ST:IV.  So every once in a while I pull
out my tape of "Q-pid", and enjoy it.  Besides I love watching Patrick 
Stewart fence, and be heroic and all those neat things.  :)   Maybe I'm
just not as discerning as "most r.a.s.ers".
  

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From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Prime Directive
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 11:56:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

-A57968@HB

Shacha Joshua!

[jb] Interesting analogy. This could also make an interesting plot for
     a TNG episode. Theories about why almost all Trek aliens are just
     humans with latex foreheads or ears usually point to some alien
     species transplanting humans from a million years ago or so to a
     number of other planets, modifying some to survive in their
     new environments (Kirk states that this is a theory on one TOS
     episode).
You are referring to "The Preservers"? I think, it was in 'The Paradise
Syndrom' (that one with the Indians and the machine to destroy the
dangerous asteroid, where Kirk looses his memories for some time.

[jb] The following is a theory discussed in a junior anthropology
     class, I'm not an expert in the field by any means, and don't
     know the credibility of the theory at the moment, but I like it,
     so read on with a grain of salt firmly in hand...
Hmpf! Now I've got a dictionary about idioms, but this one is not in
it. (Murphy's law, or so ...) <grin> Could you tell me?
I wasn't thinking, why they are all so humanlike, since I think, that
similar conditions produce similar lifeforms, at least they look alike.
But it is interesting as well!

[jb] The native american cultures were decimated, and totally unique
     cultures like the Inca, Aztec, and Maya (and their predecessors)
     were erased.
I see - and I find that reasonable, but just partly: The conquered
cultures certainly had their own diseases! Why did these not erase
the conquerers?

Whats this got to do with Trek?

[jb] Or even the TNG Federation if the Biofilters are accidentally
     left off on the WAY DOWN during a First Contact mission.
But they do that? Or am I wrong?

[jb] Probably never happen - The Mark of Gideon (is that the episode
     name?) already presented something similar... but thats never
     stopped the TNG scriptwriters before. :)
Why should it stop them? First, it may add new ideas to an old idea
and thus be quite interesting. At least, before you see any episode.
'Mark of Gideon' is the one, where they =want= a disease, a deadly
one, please. Hm ... The only problem I see there: Why didn't they
simply ask for more room =or= for samples? (I know, why: That wouldn't
make an episode, grin.)

Anyway, to return to the Prime Directive: It is =meant= to keep the
differences and make use of them instead of erasing them! Just one
think pops up in my mind: If we had left alone the Inca, we =might=
have less problems with dirt and so on; once I read that in their
culture a person was sentenced to death because he/she made a fire
outside and thus soiled the air! Some centuries ago! And what we do
with the still partly existing cultures is exactly the opposite!
We erase these differences and will never know, which potential was
wasted!

Oyori - Sem [still thinking in Northern Germany]
From: TheMadDoctor@cup.portal.com (Shane Derek Killian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: A few questions about Star Trek IV.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 16:21:20 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Trying out a newmail sender. Let me know if this reaches the whole net.

>Just a couple of questions......if they have been asked/answered before
>sorry......
>
>I just watched Star Trek IV again (love this movie!!!) and I was wondering
>something, if they were "out of control and blind as a bat" as Kirk said
>then how did they know how/when to land the ship and that they landed in

They didn't land...they crashed. Why San Francisco?

"It could be that it is the temporal juncture point for the entire
space-time continuum. On the other hand, it could just be a weird
coincidence."   --from Back to the Future, Part II

And if they hadn't crashed in the water, they all would've died. Actually,
theyhad a 7 to 3 chance of hitting the water...

>water?  They were in San Francisco because Spock set the computer to
>automatically go to that destination?  Also, the probe didn't prevent
>them from entering the earths atmosphere because when they returned to
>the present time they were able to break-in already in the atmosphere and
>just fell till they crash landed?????  I'm just wondering if this was
>all explained in the movie and I just missed it or what.
>
>Did anyone notice that the whale did a headstand to do his whale song and
>so did the probe to answer? I'm assuming that that is really the position
>the male whale is in when he really does sing his song.  Does anyone out
>there know for sure?

Yes, male humpbacks really do that.


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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Scotty coming to STTNG
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 10:20:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.111608.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> peanuts@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
>In article <LiXmPB1w165w@tsoft.sf-bay.org>, bbs.lar@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Larry Greenfield) writes:
>> For those of you who didn't read the LA Times blurb the other day, Scotty 
>> will be showing up on STTNG (presumably next season).  It was just a 
>> short paragraph, but apparently, he's been frozen/in suspended animation, 
>> what have you for 75 years, and the USS Enterprise finds him when they 
>                    ^^^^^^^^
>I thought there is a 200 years gap between TOS and TNG.

You thought wrong.


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From: David_Woodsworth@mindlink.bc.ca (David Woodsworth)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Prime Directive
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:51:46 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Mitchell Maltenfort writes:
> 
>         To nitpick: is the Prime Directive a law governing Federation space,
> or a law governng the conduct of Starfleet?  It might be that arresting a
> Cyrano Jones for breaking the Prime Directive is like arresting a civilian
> for
> conduct unbecoming an officer.

I was under the impression that the Prime Directive applied only to Starfleet,
not to the people in general of the Federation.  So, it would be possible, and
legal, for Mr. Jones or Mr. Mudd to arrive at a fresh new planet and offer to
trade phasers for tribbles, while any Starfleet vessel watching would be
(theoretically) legally helpless to stop them.

David Woodsworth

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