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From:         Tom Flaherty <FLAHERTY@CCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Subject:      Survey regarding campus smoking policies

We are reviewing our university's policies regarding smoking.  I suspect
that there is a good deal of discussion taking place on many campuses
and would like to know what decisions are being reached.  In particular,
we are discussing the meaning of "private" offices:  Is a faculty
member's office private if students, in the normal course of events,
must visit those rooms?  Likewise, administrators' offices.  The
following questions, by way of a hastily contrived survey, come to mind:


--- Do you now allow smoking in faculty offices?

--- Do you now allow smoking in administrator's offices?

--- Do you now allow smoking in public eating areas?

--- Do you now allow smoking in public reading/study lounge areas?

--- Do you now allow smoking in classrooms?

--- Do you now allow smoking in hallways/stairwells?

--- Is the legislature in your state currently considering regulations
    which would further curtail smoking in "public" places?

--- Is your campus likely to further restrict smoking in the near future
    (e.g., reduce the number of designated smoking areas)?

--- Is consideration being given to establishing a "smoke-free campus"
    at your college or university?


Any information received, either by direct response to the above or by
comment, will be appreciated.  If you can think of a question I should
have asked, please answer it.  If I get a substantial number of
responses, I will post the results to the net.  Please forgive the
cross-posting if you see this more than once.  Thanks in advance.

--Tom
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Subject:      Re: Clinton's school choice

Re:  Presidential leadership and by example, at that (John Wong)

Here is a person who, according to stories, has prepared himself for this
particular position all his life.  This circumstance alone causes me to
suspect his motives.  Do we really know what we elected him for?  Transfor-
mational leadership seems a pretty vain hope, given the "track record,"
unless you conclude that RR was such a leader.  Just maybe, Bill Clinton
believes that the end of education is economic competitiveness (his public
statements about education would seem to indicate so).  In that case his
decision to send his daughter to a school that serves like-minded (or
like-situated) folk would be quite consistent with his public statements about
the aims of education.  Even if he HAD sent Chelsea to the DC Wilderness,
however, we'd still be stuck with his faulty notion of the aims of education.
But--it's hard to winnow substance from rhetoric in the pronouncements of duly
appointed leaders.

CRAIG HOWLEY, ERIC/CRESS, P.O. BOX 1348, CHARLESTON, WV  25325
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From:         "Michael S. Hines" <MSHINES@FREH-03MS.ADPC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      Social Issues

We're probabily away from EDPOLYAN, but since you asked...

>On this reasoning, if Bill Clinton chooses to advocate policies to improve
>the lot of the homeless, I assume that he will again be charged with hypocrisy
>unless the family spends the rest of his term living in a cardboard box outside
>Union Station.

True empathy is walking in the other persons shoes before you try to tell
them what is best for them.  Good idea, John!
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Subject:      Re: Democratic Platform

Re:  Education and economics

Richard's comment illuminates the evident confusion about public and private
schools.  These schools are ALL public in the sense that (a) most receive
public funds, (b) most "private" schools are nonprofits legally acknowledged
to act in the "public" interest, and (c) even impoverished folks with the
temerity to inquire about scholarships have the "choice" of attending them.
The only truly private schools are in the province of homeschoolers.  The
dilemma with us is that most of the enterprises we call "public" actually--
as Kozol and Illich and other "unpleasant" customers remind us (with such
temerity)--serve private interests.  Economic justice--not just in schooling,
but in housing, employment, and health--lies at the core of the issues dis-
cussed here.  Bellah and colleagues (Habits of the Heart) point out that most
of us lack even the language to discuss these matters of public interest.
Thank you, R L-B.

CRAIG HOWLEY, ERIC/CRESS, P.O. BOX 1348, CHARLESTON, WV  25325
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From:         "John O. Wong" <JOHNWONG@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Outgoing and Incoming Presidents ...

Lee Wolfle says,

> Not George Bush!  He demanded letters of resignation from all of
> his top officials, and accepted them all before he left office.
> A lot of words come to mind: 'petulant', perhaps; 'juvenile'
> might fit; I have even thought of 'unpatriotic.'

Am I on POLITICS list, or am I on EDPOLYAN??



                                    # John Wong (608)263-3025
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Subject:      books

In response to Kyle Messner:

>So, I would say, continue your list if you wish.  But see it for what it is--
>a partial naming of knowledge and nothing more.

Of course it's partial, and I don't think anyone
contributing has assumed any sort of immutable,
encompassing universality about it.  So, what
have you got to offer?  Give us some titles!
That's what communication is all about: sharing.
--tom m-p
* * * * * * * * * * * *
Tom Mauhs-Pugh
Cultural Foundations of Education

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"Because teachers have not been defining the research agenda" ...neither have
 students.  Perhaps we ought to pay attention to their needs, including those
 defined as societal concerns, i.e., homelessness, etc.
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              20 Jan 1993 17:54:14 GMT from <Kevin@LEMOORE.ATI.COM>

to send mail to a user on applelink send the mail to

                                USER@APPLELINK.APPLE.COM
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Subject:      Re: Trivia question

Bill Jefferson Clinton.
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Subject:      Re: Clinton's school choice

Re:  Peter Lau's point that the acts of officials are all public acts

I'm inclined to believe that whatever education we come to experience is a
profoundly private matter, even when our parents' plans (however vain) are
the subject of public pronouncements.  In large measure (in the case of many
people I admire, for instance) the education we actually take from our ex-
periences is constituted by a repudiation of lessons taught (as in school).
We fabricate our own meanings in the "darkness" of our private minds, partly
in response to the help and frustration others contribute.  If we're lucky,
those meanings may have public significance (if we can articulate them in
some public forum).  The technocratic view of education, on the contrary,
specifies which facts, skills, and attitudes students WILL possess regardless.
These bits of human capital, in our scheme, are the values of the workplace
(as previous postings have avowed).  The dilemma is that such values contribute
to the commonweal very indirectly (e.g., by restoring the nation's economic
competitiveness).  Such values might be said to be (following Hannah Arendt)
"socialized" private values.  They reflect not care for the commonweal, care
for others, nor--woe to students--care for the self.  I'd differ with
Tom Mauhs-Pugh:  It's hard to find the public realm in this thicket.  It may
reside most particularly with those students working in the dark.

CRAIG HOWLEY, ERIC/CRESS, P.O. BOX 1348, CHARLESTON, WV  25325
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From:         Skip Brand <IDWJB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Subject:      # 2 at Ed. Dept

Vermont's Governor gets number two job at Education Department.

What does anyone know about Madeleine M. Kunin (the governor from Vermont)?

Are there any Vermont educators out there?

I think it may be time to seriously investigate the education platform adopted
by the NGA (National Governors Association), since three governors are the new
players in education at the federal level (Clinton, Riley, and Kunin). These
three I am told were very influential in putting the NGA education plank
together.

Skip.

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From:         "Scott R. Vaughn" <scott@VAUGHN.HON.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re:

John F. Covaleskie writes:
>

> I guess I am still flunking logic.  Maybe someone can provide
>remediation for me.
>

Nope, John.  You are about the only one passing this course in logic.
I asked several similar questions last week.  No one bothered to
answer those either.
---
Scott R. Vaughn
The Honors College
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From:         gallagherj@SATURN.GLASSBORO.EDU
Subject:      RE: kunin

GROAN |-(
Amother non-educator, ex-governor, politician in high office
in the Department of Education! Maybe they will hire a professional
educator to empty the wastebaskets.

John V. Gallagher
School of Education and Related Professional Studies
Rowan College of New Jersey

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From:         "Michael S. Hines" <MSHINES@FREH-03MS.ADPC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The reality of the Clinton school choice.

John Gallagher has hit an issue...

> Is it a school where there are problems
>with drugs, violence, and other unrest? (I know, there are drugs
>in just about every school these days, but is the situation
>blatant and public?) How well is the educational program being
>delivered in that school? Are the teachers performing behind
>locked doors? Are kids being frisked each day upon entry to see
>if they are packing a weapon? (They probably would if she
>attended the school.)

When are we citizens going to take back our schools and restore them to
their rightful purpose?

How in the world could a student learn in the environment mentioned here?

Who are we kidding, calling these places schools?

It's up to us folks, it ain't going to happen while we stand by and talk.
As a recent public figue said "Are we just gonna talk about it, or are we
going to do something about it?"
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From:         Daniel Albers <DALBERS@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Omaha 2000 Session To Beam Across U.S.

This article was in the Omaha World Hearld Newspaper today I thought it
be of interest.

Omaha 2000 Session To Beam Across U.S.

Event at UNO Will Be a Guide To Other Cities:
   Omaha will serve as host for a Feb. 9 town meeting on achieving national
education goals that will be beamed by satellite to perhaps hundreds of
communities across the nation.
   The program will focus on the Omaha 2000 school-improvement effort and serve
 as a guide for communities wishing to organize and devleop their own strategie
s for meeting the goals, said Michelle Griffin of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
The goals incude having every child start school ready to learn, being first
 in the world in mathematics and science and having a high-school graduation
rate of at least 90 percent by the year 2000.
   Locally, the program will be seen, beginning at 7:30 p.m. cst, at the
University of Nebraska at Omaha in the Dodge Room on the third floor of the
Milo Bail Student Center.
   Omaha was one ofthe frst to be designated an America 2000 community.
Since the city was selected, in September 1991, about 2,800 other communities
have been designated nationally, including 13 in Nebraska.
  The chamber's Center for Workforce Preparation and Quality Education
is co-sponsoring the town meeting with the National Education Goals Panel,
a bipartisan group charged wiht monitoring states' progress toward the
program's six goals.
   Gov. Nelson, as chairman of the National Education Goals Panel, will
serve as moderator.
   Also to participate will be John Gottchalk,  chairman of Omaha 2000
and president and chief executive officer of The World-Herald; Alice
Foster, a Millard teacher and member of the Omaha 2000 sterring committee; and
State Sen. Jessie Rasmussen of Omaha, an early childhood educatin specialist
and member of the Omaha 2000 steering committee.
   Ms. Griffin said all of the America 2000 communities and 1,000 state and
local chapters of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce will be notified of the
program's availability.  She predicted that the program would be seen in
hundreds of locations, including businesses with satellite dishes.
Dan Albers
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From:         "Michael S. Hines" <MSHINES@FREH-03MS.ADPC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      Promises Broken

Alan hit the nail on the head...at least from my place...  It's back to
politics as usual...promise anything to get elected then do your own thing
(or the thing of the highest bidder).

>  I think what bothers people is the fact
>that Clinton likely knew this all along.  While preaching against the "unfair"
>benefits of the "rich" and the need to "reform" public education, he
>probably never had any intention of sending his precious to the D.C.
>school system.  He said what he said to get elected.  If he had said what he
>really intended to do, like "My wife and I make over 100 grand a year
>and we'll probably send our daughter to a private school while in D.C",
>then that possibly would have hurt his chances, at least with the NEA.

and the poor, and the....... <- fill in the blanks

>If this is truly the reason people object to Clinton's choice, then it
>is more of a personal frustration than anything else -- they are
>offended by the way he gets away with riding both sides of the issue.

Probabily why he obtained the nickname Waffling Willie.

The question is "Why are we suprised now?"  We had previews of this
earlier...

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From:         "John O. Wong" <JOHNWONG@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Clinton and Baird

Bob,

>He's paying for Sidwell Friends out of his own pocket, and
>not whining that the government should be giving him a voucher to
>help him afford his choice.
>Bob Stonehill
>Director, ERIC Program
>U.S. Dept. of Education

In case this never crossed your consciousness, over 98% of the families do not
rake in what the President makes, even though his salary may look paltry
considering his responsibilities when viewed in conjunction with corporate CEOs
and big time lawyers and doctors.

Now, tell me, what kind of people do you have in mind when you say they
"whine?"



                                    # John Wong (608)263-3025
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From:         MURPHY@JUNCOL.JUNIATA.EDU
Subject:      RE: inclusive teacher ed

Our Education Dept. at Juniata College (a liberal arts college in central
PA) is in the process of investigating the feasibility of offering a
dual certification program in regular ed/special ed (we currently offer
certification programs in Early Childhood, El Ed, and Secondary Ed).
However, we've had to put our study on hold, as there is a powerful
new push at the state Dept Ed to eliminate special ed certification
altogether, and to institute a single certification program that would
prepare all teachers to be skilled in dealing with all "types" of
students (including those with "exceptionalities").  This would be
accomplished at the undergraduate level, as is our current regular
ed certification program, although one or two areas of "endorsement"
at the graduate level are being considered (e.g., in visual impairment
and hearing impairment).  This plan appears to be in direct support of
the Regular Education Initiative and the total inclusion movements
of the past several years.

I recommend that you contact the Sp. Ed. Dept. of LaSalle U. in Philadelphia.
They have an established dual certification program in elem. ed/special ed.,
and I'm sure they would be willing to discuss their program with you.  The
phone there is (215) 951-1000.  Best of luck!

Donna M. Murphy
Juniata College
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Subject:      Re: The 80/20 Rule...

Lee--
The 80/20 rule, I believe, comes from Pareto.
--Craig Howley
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From:         "John O. Wong" <JOHNWONG@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject: RE:

Covaleskie,

Now I see the light.  If others collectively leave inner cities for the
suburbs, it becomes a social policy question, "white flight" if you may.
However, if a specific family, say yours or mine, should do so, then it is
doing the best for the family.

No wonder I wans't making sense on this list before!!



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From:         "Michael S. Hines" <MSHINES@FREH-03MS.ADPC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject:      Point of Clarification

Craig, et all..

There are two Michael Hines on edpolyan now.  Just so you all know.

hinesmg@purccvm is a student at Purdue (and my son)  he's M G H

mshines@ia.purdue.edu is a staff member at Purdue (me) I'm M S H
   or you may see mshines@freh-01ms.adpc.purdue.edu as an address.

Confuesed yet? <grin>


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