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From: groome@oxmyx.lab (J. Andrew Groome)
Subject: Re: Books
Reply-To: groome@oxmyx.lab
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:53:35 GMT

In article 6709@desire.wright.edu, jchristian@desire.wright.edu () writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.194057.32265@europa.asd.contel.com>, groome@ncc1701d.lab (J. Andrew Groome) writes:
>> I have really enjoyed Dan Millman's (sp?) books.  I have only read the first two,
>> _The Way of the Peaceful Warrior_ and _The Warrior Athlete_. 
>> Anyone care to comment on his other books?
>> 
>> ---
>> J. Andrew Groome (GTE Federal Systems): Andy.Groome@oasis.gtefsd.com
>
>I thought Millman's books were cheesy, sorry to say.  It seems like you can get
>the same basic message with greater clarity and entertainment value.  Even in
>Richard Bach, or in Castenada's Journey to Ixtlan.
>
>I think I really objected to that whole romantic thread in Way of the Peaceful
>Warrior.  Boy, did that sound totally contrived or what?
>
>Jeff

Ok Jeff, I'll give you that about the Way of the Peaceful Warrior.  However, I did
think that Warrior Athlete had some good stuff in it.  Come to think of WofPW was
a lot like Illusions by Bach, and I agree Illusions was much better.  I've read
a little Castenada (years ago) but I dont recall Journey to Ixtlan.  I'll have
to check that out next time some peyote comes thru town ;-).

Take it easy,
Andy

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From: shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: Greenoch History
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:17:10 GMT


Seriously.. what *IS* Greenoch?

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From: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt - K31)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fights and blackbelt confidence
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:23:53 GMT
Reply-To: snorthc@relay.nswc.navy.mil
Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center

Along this line of stuff...people who used thier
MA to avoid other dangers... story where he was riding a motorcycle and was hit by a car
... MA training helped him react... roll when he hit the ground.

Followup's please.
Fresh from Somalia, Marine Captain on machinegun perch of armored vehicle.
Vehicle comes under fire, rookie driver panics, hits stone wall, Captain
thrown 20' rolls, comes up FIRING HIS SIDEARM!
Captain has: 1 cracked rib, hairline fracture on rotator cuff... I always
tried to tell him to never roll palm down.

Story is as was relayed to me by first party (Captain Tom Langlois).
Tom, BB TKD, does have excellent falling technique and is combat hardened
Vietnamn on (he is an LDO).  On the other hand Marines, like all soldiers,
like all males tend to exagerate :-)  Anyway, he is mostly healed up and
back in Okinawa playing *.ryu.
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From: hahn@plugh.network.com (Peter Hahn)
Subject: Re: What/Where is Sinawali?
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 21:54:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.103900.21082@yang.earlham.edu> youngjo@yang.earlham.edu writes:
>Does anybody know what Sinawali(sp?) is?
>I've heard it's a brazilian martial art, and I think it
>might be the style used in the movie "The Mighty Quinn".
>
>Apparently, it uses a lot of spinning techniques from the ground, and
>looks like a cross between northern-style kung fu and breakdancing.
>
>Does anyone practice it, or know where it's taught?  It looks like
>it could be a great complement to "hard" style linear arts.

The (Afro-)Brazilian art you are describing is called Capoeira.  Other than
that, you seem to know as much about it as I do.

Siniwali itself is a training method within the Filipino arts of
Kali/Escrima/Arnis.  The word "Siniwali" means something like "weaving",
and, in this context, refers to the phase of the art where two sticks
(or two swords, or whatever) are manipulated in complex weaving patterns.
It doesn't have anything to do with Capoeira.

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From: drury@helix.nih.gov (Richard Drury)
Subject: Re: Carjacking, part two
Organization: National Institutes of Health, Bethesda
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 06:17:46 GMT

Stovall@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Stovall) writes:
>
>Better to spend *lots* of time with real lawyers than *any* time in a
>coffin. The dumbest thing you can do is give up your car. With it you
>have the possibility of successful defense and mobility. Without it, you
>are unarmed and afoot. You've also placed yourself at the mercy of
>someone who has just committed a felony and might not want a witness.

Well, I certainly agree about staying out of the coffin.  But I
think abandoning the car is exactly the right thing to do in
most of these situations.  In the shooting outside the CIA the
other day for example, nobody abandoned their vehicles. 
Everybody hung in there at the stoplight while the gunman
strolled back along the line of stopped cars, methodically
perforating five drivers.  You stick with your car if you like.  
I'm getting out of the kill zone.
--
Richard A. Drury                    National Institutes of Health
drury@helix.nih.gov                 31/B3C27, Bethesda, MD, USA
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From: tac@cs.brown.edu (Ted A. Camus)
Subject: Re: Aikido vs. kicks
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:22:55 GMT


David James Alexander Hanley <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>  Dealing with kicks is not much different from dealing with punches.
>Just imagine it as a lower, harder blow.  However, you don't want to block
>it.  Blocking kicks is one of the reasons I left karate :).  Evade and
>step inside and get a grasp of the leg.  Once you have the leg there is
>a whole range of nasty stuff you can do.  Yonkajo and Sihonage to the
>ankle come immediately to mind.
>  Remember though, aikido is not about fighting.  It is better to learn
>to avoid the kick than to stop it.  This is the essence.


   I agree with your ideas, with one exception - what you are describing
   is not so much treating the leg as a punch, but as a sword.  I.e., 
   big and heavy, generally committed attacks, evade rather than block,
   avoid the sword/leg and then do something nasty with the rest of their 
   body (e.g. grab an arm, iriminage, etc.).  It may be possible to grab
   the leg, but don't count on it.  If they know what they're doing, they
   won't leave it out there, they'll lean forward (generally with a strike)
   and put their weight on it, making it heavy quickly and hard to hold on 
   to.  In general, front kicks ~= shomen's, side kicks ~= tsuki's, and
   roundhouses ~= yokomen's.
   
   There is also the major bonus that uke is immobile while kicking.  
   Timing is important, but that's what we've been practicing all along, 
   haven't we?  

     -- Ted --

   p.s.  My apologies for that obviously-forged posting of "mine" 
         concerning this "Greenoch" (damn computer crackers!). 
         I have never heard the term before in my life !
         
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From: vrusso@lonestar.utsa.edu (Vincent . Russo)
Subject: Re: Brandon Lee Movies
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:52:09 GMT

     Speaking of Jackie Chan movies, "Secret Art of the Snake and Crane" is
probably one of his best oldies.  Almost the entire movie is excellent fight
scenes.  It is very hard to find where I am from, but if you can find it, it
is well worth renting.  There is a fight scene near the end between him and
three polearm-wielding mercenaries that is worth renting by itself.

                                                       Vince

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From: stbedi@peacock.uwaterloo.ca (Sunjay T. Bedi)
Subject: Filipino Martial Arts in California
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:26:42 GMT

Has anyone ever heard of Sonny Umpad? 
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From: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Is chi/ ki real?
Date: 25 Jan 1993 03:50:17 GMT
Organization: Department of Redundancy Department
Reply-To: TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.117

  [On yet another query about chi.]

wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
  +
  +	Well, at Beijing University, people who are 'able to
  +use their Chi' are studied because of their <ability to move
  +objects with their minds>.  I forget the word for <>.  It seems
  +that they can occasionally do it, but not so much on demand.
  +You can get Chi from certain exercises, and people who are good with
  +their Chi can either give or take it, leaving you strong or weak,
  +so they say.

I was curious where you had read that.  Most university research
I have heard/read of have to do with curative properties (e.g.,
purifying water, positive results for AIDS, cancer, etc.) whether
it be by the action of the exercises or the supposed projection or
transmission of chi into some organism.

I think you're referring to telekinesis.  While there have been
more grandiose claims, I thought there were hardly any claims of
telekinesis anymore (maybe too easy to disprove?).

Terry Chan
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From: scheid@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Judo: Which Throw
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:51:58 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Sounds more like a variation to the "Corner Throw".
I'm stuck for the name just now.

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From: sog@craycos.com (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Kung Fu (the TV show)
Date: 24 Jan 93 08:10:56 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <1343@xlnt.COM> david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.164658.6397@netcom.com>, dsmythe@netcom.com (Dave Smythe) writes:
>|> In it, he claims that he will have much more artistic control over the
>|> new series.  Considering the quality of "Kung Fu: the Movie" I'd suspect
>|> that that would be the kiss of death.
>
>
>That what was the kiss-of-death of the original show.  It was a very
>good show (artistic wise) until Carradine got artistic control.  The
>show got really strange after that.

Well, perhaps Carradine won't be spending *quite* so much time with
Don Juan and Carlos this time around ;-).

Steve
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From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
Subject: Re: Is chi/ ki real?
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:07:16 GMT

PLEASE!  Not THIS thread from hell again!  It wouldn't die the last
time it came through here...Better to debate whether the Greenoch
Haggis O'Death can beat Pan Qingfu (sp?  The master from Iron & Silk)
than to debate the existence of chi/ki!  Even a religious argument
with Khan would be easier to take than The Great Chi/Ki Flame War, so
in the name of sanity, please cease and desist!
From: rterry@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Ray Terry)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 16:26:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Puzzled - History of Korean MAs
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts

>What's going on here?  I have also read disagreements on rec.martial-arts
>about the age of old Tae Kwon Do where the differences are measured in
>millennia.  I know nothing of the history of Korean martial arts, but there
>always seems to be one group that says a given style dates back to _Homo
>Erectus_, while another group wants you to have lunch with the founder.
>I don't mean to flame, but to an outsider this really looks _bad_.  Can
>somebody explain this to me?

This has been discussed several times before and has been discussed in a
thread active right now.  

What happens, in general, is that (1) I must find some term to use when 
discussing martial arts so I define that term to be "TaeKwonDo" (for example),
(2) when exploring the history of martial arts I look at old cave drawings,
old books, verbal history carried from generation to generation, and determine
that "organized" martial arts began in the year XYZ, (3) thus TaeKwonDo must
have begun in the year XYZ.  Of course, we know that the name TaeKwonDo was 
not used until the late 1950's, but Korean arts existed well before that.

So, is TaeKwonDo less than 40 years old?  Yes.  Is TaeKwonDo more than a 
thousand years old?  Yes. 

Does it -really- matter how old TaeKwonDo or some other art is?  No, not in
the least.  The effectiveness of the art is what is important and age has
nothing to do with that.  [IMHO]

Ray
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:31:41 EST
From: Gerry Santoro - CAC/PSU <GMS@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Aikido in Argentina?

One of my Aikido students is a visiting student from Argentina.  She
recently asked me if I knew of any Aikido schools in Argentina.  I looked
at the dojo listings but they are oriented to North America, Europe and
Asia.

Does anyone know of Aikido schools in Argentina?

gerry santoro
academic computing/speech communication
penn state university
aikido kokikai penn state
From: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re; Happenstance Weapons
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:48:23 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Reply-To: acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra.rose-hulman.edu

	osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X) says:

	HA!  AMATEUR!  When I was 16 I cut the ends of my left index and middle
	fingers off.  WHAT weapons they are now!!  Though I have yet to do

		are you going to tell us how, or do we have to discover it 
		for ourselves?

		-mukund
From: toman@bovine.uoregon.edu (Jay toman)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fighting against animals?
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:18:18 GMT
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In article <1993Jan26.164414.29599@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>In article <77570@apple.apple.COM> mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:
>
>>the story of Wu Sung, a martial hero monk of China, who is said
>>to have been caught sleeping by a hungry tiger. If you have
>>ever seen a figurine of a Chinese fellow smacking a tiger
>>in the head with his fist in a Chinatown shop, this is Wu Sung
>
>This sounds rather implausible to me.  Why was he sleeping in a
>Chinatown shop?  And how did the tiger get in there?

Yes, I quite agree, this sounds like a lot of bull in the china shop.

						sorry,
						J. Toman
From: rchafetz@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Ross Chafetz)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Boston Internal MA School
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:37:37 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx
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From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Subject: Dante's infernal arts
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:18:32 EST


Hey, I know nothing about this Mr. Dante, and while I couldn't condone the
deception, at the same time, if he were capable of trashing (as Steve says)
other people's martial arts styles (in combat) then I suppose he should be
respected.  Of course he may also have been a jerk, but this has nothing to
do with technique.

Recently I met a man from San Francisco who told me that as a high school
punk, he and his friends would stand outside the martial arts schools and
challenge the black and brown belts as they came out after class.  It was
rather odd listening to him describe how these (poor) guys would come out, and
as they were challenged would typically behave "..humbly" and he said, "then
we'd just start pushing someone into him and the fight would start..."  When I
asked him who won, he said that they always won, and that these guys were
never ready for a poke in the eye, etc...  I found the conversation remarkably
morbid, but instructive.  I always seek out the insane teachers because I hope
that I am ready for the non-standard nature of real attack.  Of course none of
us knows how well prepared we are--not really.  And you can never account for
the circumstance where you turn the corner and everything goes black suddenly.
Oh well.

From: ber@otter.hpl.hp.com (Brenda Romans)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:17:22 GMT
Subject: JUDO: Interesting throw
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts


I'm currently working on visualisation techniques so that I can stop being
nervous before competitions.  Last night I tried to sort out a throw that
worked spectacularly on a friend some time ago.  It's something I have never
been taught and I don't know what it is but it feels very natural and can be
very effective. 

Uki comes in to take a normal right grip on your left lapel.  You take a step
forward on your left foot so that your left leg is alongside his right while
putting your left arm *over* his.  At the same time you throw your extended
right arm right under his left armpit and get very close.  To summarise - you
are very close, your left arm is over his arm and low, the top of your right
arm is under his armpit and high, and your left leg is alongside his right.  To
complete the throw (this oviously happens all at once) cartwheel your arms,
left arm down and right arm up at the same time turning your body to the left
by moving your right foot forward. This effectively picks up Uki and spins him
backwards, you may fall on him too.  Your left leg acts as a kind of pivot.

This throw feels very good and you don't need a lot of strength to pull it off.
It is difficult for uki to spin out and if it doesn't work very well you will
probably be in a good position to continue in groundwork.  

Problems:- probably open to counter by a rear throw if it doesn't come off.
           I've only tried it on people taller than me.

Try it out and let me know what you think.  One interesting thing is that I
don't use any grip with this.  The right hand definitely has no grip, it's too
high in the air though I may grab hold of something with the left as they go
down. 

Can anyone tell me what kind of throw it is.  There's no hip, no sweep, no
hands, no sacrifice, more a circular lift and trip over a static leg.

Cheers

Brenda

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From: comptec92024@camins.camosun.bc.ca
Subject: Re: More European History
Organization: Camosun College
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 10:11:34 GMT

In article <1jo880$li@agate.berkeley.edu>, actize@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>Stuff removed> 
> People in Spain were very good swordsman.  Toledo steel made the finest swords.
> We can see some remnants of this art today in Bull-Fighting.  (stuff removed) 

And just to get an argument going, you could say that spanish sword and knive
work is seen in Arnis. (mind you Spanish sword work was likely heavily
influenced by Moorish style)

Mackenzie.
From: robear@access.digex.com (Robear)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Fighting against animals?
Followup-To: rec.martial-arts
Date: 28 Jan 1993 08:11:30 -0500
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In article <1993Jan27.191950.20784@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>
>I should have learned by now- ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS put the smiley on a
>joke posting.  No matter how obvious you think it is that you're just
>kidding ("I shot an elephant in my gi"), a non-zero number of people
>will not get it and will post serious responses.

Hmmm...No smiley.

So tell us, how did the elephant get in your gi?

	David Pipes

:-)
From: wwood@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Carradine again
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:47:48 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1993Jan22.002352.14075@athena.mit.edu>, ras@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Shandross) writes:
> I've seen a lot of David Carradine bashing in the group lately.  I haven't seen
> the Kung Fu TV show in a long long time, but I don't exactly remember seeing a
> lot of stuff that made me want to run to the bathroom and blow chunks or
> anything.  I tend not to judge other arts too harshly anyway because I'm not
> studying them.  
> 	I do seem to recall that the MA looked better in the later episodes (in
> line with the common wisdom that he was learning as he went along), but my
> question to all you holier-than-thou's is:  what exactly did you find to be so
> bad [of the techniques which were filmed from beginning to end and at full
> speed :-) ] ?  No one has gotten specific, which I find to be suspicious.  
> 	I'm not saying I wouldn't agree with you all if I saw a rerun today, I
> just want some details.  One question I have is:  is it a question of form or
> of choreography of the scenes or of the MA shown not being true to Shaolin Kung
> Fu or just not streetworthy?  I think it's important that if he is going to
> represent a style he ought to do it well, but then there's the point that the
> best style is beyond style (all you Bruce Lee fans should be nodding), and what
> is important when you are saving your life and limb is that you save it/them,
> period, and then the life and limb of your attacker if you can.
> 
> 	Rich
> 
> P.S.	I agree that the stuff people mentioned about the appendix/glossary of
> his book is pretty abysmal... aikido = form of TKD, etc.  Whoa.
> 	



I remember reading in a MA magazine a few years back when Chuck Norris made
'Lone Wolf McQuad' that Chuck was impressed with the movements of Mr.
Carridine. He said his used a praying mantis style. BUT Chuck was not
all that happy with Mr. Carridine because in the final fight scene
Mr. Carridine refused to get beaten by Chuck's character. He did not want
his followers from the Kung Fu series to see him lose. So they had to end it
the way they did in the movie. Chuck didn't understand this because as he
quoted he lost to Bruce Lee in a movie and he did not lose any followers
or respect...its only a movie...people are not that stupid. But at the time
Mr. Carridine was still more well known to many movie people and audiences
then Chuck was. 

Sorry about my spelling and the lenth of this post...its my first ever post.

Wayne
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