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From: harv@cis.ksu.edu (Harvard Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Trans America Footrace - any info?
Date: 21 Jul 1992 14:49:26 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences
Distribution: world
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Keywords: ultra running race

Does anyone have information on how the Trans America Footrace is going?
I haven't heard anything in a long time, and of course our local paper
only covers football, basketball, and baseball. They should be entering 
good ol' Kansas today and pass within about 60 miles of my home this Sunday.
Fortunately, the high today is only going to be about 80 with low humidity.
We are considering driving up to cheer them on. Does anyone know how the
race operates? Do they run their designated stage, then drive to the
town where they will stay overnight, or are they literally running every
step of the way?  Do they all start at the same time each morning? What
sort of pace are the leaders running at? Are there any women among the
25 entrants? Enough questions ....
-- 
Harvard Townsend, Kansas State University Dept. of CIS
Internet: harv@cis.ksu.edu    UUCP: rutgers!ksuvax1!harv
From: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Looking for Fall Marathon
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:55:24 GMT
Reply-To: berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery)
Organization: GE Research Center


It's a few miles west of New England but the Mohawk-Hudson River marathon is
October 25. It starts in Schenecatdy and follows the river bike paths to 
Albany NY. There is a net altitude loss but not so much as to negate TAC
certification. Times are generally fast. The field is small with about 250-
300 runners and it is very well organized and directed. For info. write to:
Hudson-Mohawk RRC, P.O. Box 4146, Albany NY 12204
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Jack Berkery, Computer Scientist, GE Research, Schenectady NY
  berkery@crd.ge.com  "The Common Sense Coach"
From: shon@APLCOMM.JHUAPL.EDU (Shampain Shon F2A x8109)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Runner Needed in Philly on Sunday Aug 2
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:05:42 GMT

My wife is looking for a runner who would be insterested in doing the
10K run leg of the Fairmont Park Classic Triathlon on Sunday August 2; she
is unable to run due to an injury.  What would be entailed would be waiting
in the transition area for my wife to finish the bike, and then starting
the run.  We should be able to estimate this time to within 5 minutes.  The
Fairmont Park run course is accurately measured and completely flat.

Please contact me as soon as possible, since we may have to cancel if a
runner is not found.  *** We have already paid -- so this is a FREE offer. ***
We will also mail you a copy of the results containing your split.

Please direct inquiries to: shon@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu

Regards.
shon shampain
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Boosting mileage
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:11:05 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <1992Jul30.171857.29718@crd.ge.com>, berkery@emmax5crd.ge.com (jack berkery) writes:
> 
>   As you get close to the date of the marathon, run your last long run 2 weeks
> before. DO NOT do a long run one week prior to the marathon. In fact for the
> last week you should taper down to do only about half, yes half, the mileage
> you have been doing. DO NOT run the day before and 2 days before the race you
> might only do 3 miles just to get the legs loose and the blood flowing. You
> MUST be well rested for the big race itself.
> 

I think Jack gave very good advice in his article. The only thought I
have is that a runner might be even more 'conservative' in his/her
taper period than suggested above.

I think runners make a big mistake by running too hard, too close to
a major race. For a marathon, I would probably have my last long run
three weeks prior to the marathon itself. Also, I would suggest
that the mileage be cut by 1/2 to 2/3 for the final two weeks before
the event. I have seen studies which show that runners do not lose
anything in terms of performance if they run no more than 1/3 of their
normal mileage for the final two week period. In fact, they may gain
something because microscopic muscle tears can totally heal.

Again, I think Jack gave excellent advice. More and more, studies are
showing that runners should rest *more* immediately before a major
event. This is difficult to do for many of us (including myself).
-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
From: mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu (Moo-Town Snacker)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Olympics predictions
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:23:20 GMT
Reply-To: mc21@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Jul23.111020@axion.bt.co.uk> jpope@axion.bt.co.uk (john pope) writes:
>100m
>2. Linford Christie	sub 10
>I suspect a Nigerian might be up there and it may be the first
>time in ages that an American (USA) isn't in the top three

It looks like this bulldog has chased one too many parked cars. Only a Brit 
could write something like this.

>4x400m
>1. GBR
>2. Germany
>(USA drop baton in semis/end up bickering over who is
>going to do what and all fall out)

But this, on the other hand, probably reflects the facts more than any 
country loyalty.

-- 
Martin Coleman (mc21@ellis.uchicago.edu)		           Bukkm Royale
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Newsgroups: rec.running,rec.sport.olympics
From: cpk@sequoia.cray.com (Chris Kruell)
Subject: Former Olympian Ron Daws dies at 55
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:49:42 CDT

1968 US Olympic marathoner Ron Daws died yesterday of a heart
attack at age 55.  Daws has been active in the local (Minneapolis/
St. Paul/Minnesota) running community for years.  According to 
the newspaper, two weeks ago he ran a 37-mile trail run in Montana 
in about 7 hours, and on Sunday, ran a 3-hour training run.  He was
enthusiastic about the upcoming cross country ski season, according 
to his wife.


Chris Kruell
cpk@sequoia.cray.com
From: raymond@harp.ecn.purdue.edu (Ray Kamin)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: How fast is fast?
Keywords: 8k
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:25:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


I am considering participating in an 8K run this fall and since
I have never run in any formal events, I am curious as to the expected
pace.  That is, in a typical (?) 8K fun run, how much time will
it take the fastest 10% of the field.  How about the top half?
How long until 90% of the field complete the run?

I realize this will vary between events, but rough numbers should
give me a better idea.

ThanX
RK
From: scochran@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Steve Cochran)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:23:02 GMT
Subject: Sestiere (Italy) Meet
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD)
Newsgroups: rec.running

My local paper lists the following results for the Sestriere meet (Italy).

100m
1. Lewis        9.98
2. Burrell     10.03
3. Witherspoon 10.04
4. Trapp       10.07
5. Jett        10.10
6...

9.98 must be one of the better times in the world this year.  Was it wind
aided?  King Carl is alive again?

200m
1. Michael Marsh 19.79
2...

19.79 must be one of the top 10 times ever.  

Long Jump
1. Powell 29'6"
2.....

Is this a world record or was it wind aided?

SC


Newsgroups: rec.running
From: page@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Thomas Page)
Subject: Re: Sestiere (Italy) Meet
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 20:14:48 GMT

In article <15970006@hpmwgip2.sr.hp.com>, scochran@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Steve Cochran) writes:
|> My local paper lists the following results for the Sestriere meet (Italy).
|> 
|> 100m
|> 1. Lewis        9.98
|> 2. Burrell     10.03
|> 3. Witherspoon 10.04
|> 4. Trapp       10.07
|> 5. Jett        10.10
|> 6...
|> 
|> 9.98 must be one of the better times in the world this year.  Was it wind
|> aided?  King Carl is alive again?
|> 
|> 200m
|> 1. Michael Marsh 19.79
|> 2...
|> 
|> 19.79 must be one of the top 10 times ever.  
|> 
|> Long Jump
|> 1. Powell 29'6"
|> 2.....
|> 
|> Is this a world record or was it wind aided?
|> 
|> SC
|> 
|> 
All were wind aided.  Powell had 4.4 m/s, more than twice allowable wind.
Even more amazing was Drechsler's 25-0 1/2 which was also wind aided.
Also, the meet was at 6,600 ft elevation; helps the sprinters and jumpers.

It would appear though that Lewis is healthy again.
Tom
From: seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu (Joseph Seeley)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Threadmill v`s Running
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:02:04 GMT
Organization: UIUC Computer-based Education Research Lab

In article <1992Jul24.170108.14857@exu.ericsson.se> exumart@exu.ericsson.se writes:
> [how does running on a treadmill compare to running outside?]

Judging by pulse rates, I get a good workout on my treadmill.  When it's dark,
cold, and icy outside, a treadmill is far superior to running outside.  (So
it doesn't build character ... I've got other ways to that, like being a Red
Sox fan.)  The running uphill option, combined with the give of the running
surface, saves my legs some pounding.  I like being able to listen to the
radio while I run, occasionally, and I don't do walkmen anymore for safety
reasons.  So, I like having the option.  In general, I much prefer being in
touch with the outside and with other people.

Joseph Seeley	| seeley@cerl.uiuc.edu
		| seeley / cca / cerl
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: cstewart@athena.mit.edu (Charles Stewart)
Subject: Wharf-to-Wharf results?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:20:37 GMT

Does anyone out there know the results of the Wharf-to-Wharf race run
last Sunday  (July 26) between Santa Cruz and Capitola?  Needless to say,
I was long out of the money, and I live nowhere near Santa Cruz, so I
haven't seen the Monday paper from there.

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: lari@khayam.berkeley.edu (Francesco Lari)
Subject: Re: To wear a shirt or not?
Reply-To: lari@robotics.berkeley.edu 	
Organization: UC Berkeley Signal Processing VLSI Group
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:30:20 GMT


I think that a shirt, expecially a white one, is very useful if it's sunny, 
because it reflects the sun's rays. 
Direct irradiation from the sun is a big factor in body overheating, as you 
can figure well when you get into the shadow. 

		     FRANCESCO 

Newsgroups: rec.running
From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Re: To wear a shirt or not?
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:57:55 GMT

wolf@prosun.first.gmd.de (Wolfgang Koehler) writes:

>In article <1992Jul27.101434.4374@verifone.com>, ken_p1@verifone.com writes:
<stuff deleted>

>No high-tech material can evaporate better than the pure skin.

are you sure, wolf? many mornings it seems that my Cool-Max shirt is
dry before my skin.

>On the other hand, its quite unpleasant  to run with an wet shirt after
>a while.

that's true - over ten miles, and I need noxema on the nips!

>wolf

just one more mile,

jim p.




-- 
Jim Puckett    NTI    puckett@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov     
Huntsville,AL (205)461-4922  
This life is a test. It is only a test. If it had been a real life, you 
would have been given instructions....
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 14:59:20 EDT
From: <IVERS@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject:    Re: Fall Marathon

If at all possible, you should try to run the Marine Core Marathon in D.C., set
for October 25.  A superb and scenic (and not difficult) course for first time
marathoners.  The race is managed to perfection by the Marines, and the crowds
are *always* large and enthusiastic.  I cannot imagine a better marathon for a
first timer.

Better enter quick.  Wait until late August and you can forget it.

Good luck.

Gregg Ivers
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Sestiere (Italy) Meet
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:03:07 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Jul29.123815.20077@trantor.harris-atd.com> mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney) writes:
>acha@CS.CMU.EDU (Anurag Acharya) writes:
>>That is surprising. I would expect higher elevations to hamper sprinters --
>>the primary problem being low atmospheric oxygen. 
>
>Sprinting doesn't take much oxygen.  I know a guy who runs a 5K in about
>32 minutes (I do 19), but his 100 yard time is about the same as mine.
>On the other hand, I beat a guy who runs 16 minute 5K's in the 200 meter.
>Another example?  Look at Flo Jo's 20 minute 5K's.
>
>World class sprinters run about 21 MPH.  If you ride a bicycle, you know
>wind resistance is significant.  At 6600 feet, air density is only about
>3/4 as much as sea level.

A mild correction. 

World class sprinters run a lot faster than 21 mph.  If memory serves me 
correctly, 30 mph is 44 feet per second. Given that, we're looking at 
14 yards/second  to be goiing 30 mph.  Take into account that world class 
sprinters run the 60 yard dash in about 6.0-6.2 seconds. This give the like 
of Carl Lewis about 3.8-4.0 seconds  to cover the last 50 yards of the 100
meters to turn a 10 flat. If it takes these gentlemen 4 seconds to cover
the last 50 they average 37.5 feet/second or a little more than 12 yards/second.If they are a Carl Lewis who seldom runs better than 6.2 in the 60 but burns
the last 50 yards in 3.7 to turn a 9.9 then you're looking at 40 feet/second
over the last 50 yards... That's a lot closer to 30 mph than it is to 21. That
makes the wind and air resistance much more significant. 

Ronnie T.
>
>--------------------------------        _\/_
>Matt Mahoney, mvm@epg.harris.com       |(TV)|  Drug of the Nation
>#include <disclaimer.h>                |____|


-- 
Ronnie
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From: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Left Knee Pain: Rest or Strengthen?
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:31:18 GMT
Reply-To: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH

>In article <Bs0IqD.Hxs@andy.bgsu.edu> klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu
>    (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes:
>
>>I began running about a month ago and had worked up to 4 miles at a
>>fairly leisurely pace.  My left knee (actually, to the left of my
>>kneecap and down a little) develops a pain much like a headache
>>after about a mile and worsens if I keep running.
>
>In article <91997@bu.edu>dmf@buengf.bu.edu (David Franklin) writes:
>
>   If you start to feel pain during a run, STOP!

Good advice, Dave!  

>   The pain in one knee may result from several things.  It could be the
> track, especially if it is banked.  It could be the walkman.  It could be
> your running shoes --[stuff deleted] Finally, it could be that you
> have a foot or leg imbalance.

Couldn't it also be ilio-tibial band syndrome?  Here's a really good
stretch for ITB:

To treat the ilio tibial band of the left knee, stand perpendicular
with your left shoulder next to a wall (or other object that can 
support your full weight).  

Standing with your feet together, take the right leg and foot and 
cross the left leg at the knee.  Your feet are still together, 
but your legs are crossed at the knee.  Tighten the thigh muscles 
of the left thigh, then lean on the wall (using your arm for support)
for a count of 10.  Do 50 reps per day in five 10 rep sessions, and
the pain should be gone in a matter of days (if it is ITB :-)


-- 
Paulette Leeper                               paulette.leeper@daytonOH.NCR.COM
NCR Corporate Data Planning & Admin              ...!uunet!ncrcom!wtcp!pleeper
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Newsgroups: rec.running
From: jjames@leven.appcomp.utas.edu.au (Jeff James)
Subject: Re: NY Marathon alternative? 
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 06:45:11 GMT

Help!  Our plans to run in the New York Marathon have been dashed!

All the Australian places have been filled and our entry fees returned
(doesn't America need foreign tourist dollars?).

If anyone knows of a marathon on the same weekend as New York (1st
of November) on the US East Coast, please(!) forward the relevant
information.

Thanks very much.

-- 
Jeff James                              AARNET:  J.S.James@appcomp.utas.edu.au
School of Applied Computing             Voice:  (003) 260 476
University of Tasmania at Launceston    Intnl:  +61 03 260476
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From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Sestiere (Italy) Meet
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:32:45 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <15970006@hpmwgip2.sr.hp.com> scochran@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Steve Cochran) writes:
>My local paper lists the following results for the Sestriere meet (Italy).
>
>100m
>1. Lewis        9.98
>2. Burrell     10.03
>3. Witherspoon 10.04
>4. Trapp       10.07
>5. Jett        10.10
>6...
>
>9.98 must be one of the better times in the world this year.  Was it wind
>aided?  King Carl is alive again?

Ye of little faith.. I believe I was the first on the net to predict that 
the King was far from dead and subsequent meets would prove me out! 

I really love to day "I told you so" ... I can relate to Carl because I'm 
almost a year to the day older than he is and I just ran 11 flat in the 100m
last week. Mind you this is on three days a week training! I figure if I can 
run my college level times (PR 10.56) at 32 then Carl can run world class at 
31!  When I lose it, I'll expect him to follow suit.. we're soul-mates, you 
know! :-) 


>19.79 must be one of the top 10 times ever.  

This ought to rank about 5th on the alltime list.  Behind Mennea's record, 
Lewis has the next three best, I believe, and then there's this one. Johnson 
better look out! 

>1. Powell 29'6"
>2.....
>
>Is this a world record or was it wind aided?

Had to be... all of these must have been with wind. I have not heard any 
hoopla over the performances.

-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: 10k first mile: how fast?
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:19:15 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <1992Jul30.232813.17985@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, lari@khayam.berkeley.edu (Francesco Lari) writes:
> Then, if you really want a PR, you better be near somebody fast in the last 
> 3 miles, and just hang on...... 
> 
> 		     FRANCESCO 


An interesting and 'correct' observation, in my opinion. If you are
lucky you can tuck in behind someone who is running slightly faster
than you would run if you were doing the race 'on your own'. They
can really pull you through to some excellent times.
-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu
From: terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt)
Newsgroups: rec.running
Subject: Re: Threadmill v`s Running
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:26:40 GMT
Organization: The Lafayette Group, St. Louis, MO.

In article <1992Jul24.170108.14857@exu.ericsson.se>, exumart@exu.ericsson.se (Martina Hughes,xt-df,0634) writes:
> I was wondering what you runners feel about using a threadmill as oppose to running outdoors. I have been running out doors in the past but recently have access to a threadmill and am wondering if one gets the same workout when using a threadmill. Does an> yone have some good work out routines for the threadmill which would improve one's
> running outdoors. I would like to know what your thoughts are on using threadmills as oppose to running outside. 
> 

First of all, I assume the poster means treadmill. Assuming that is the
case, I would be interested in some thoughts on motorized vs
non-motorized models.

Thanks......Terry
-- 
  Terry Linhardt                ...!wupost!jgaltstl!terry 
                                terry%jgaltstl.uucp@wupost.wustl.edu  
Newsgroups: rec.running
From: ashish@tfs.com (Ashish Mukharji)
Subject: Re: To wear a shirt or not?
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:18:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.204613.6736@rice.edu> preston@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Preston Briggs) writes:
>krasnor@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Carl Krasnor) writes:
>
>>To summarize, in the heat, runners should do everything possible to
>>FACILITATE evaporation of perspiration from the skin and this will
>>MINIMIZE the rate of dehydration!!!!!
>
>To simplify, say that runners should do everything possible to
>facilitate evaporation of perspiration, thus achieving best cooling.
>
>As an orthogonal issue, runners should also be sure to drink enough
>fluids.
>

Well, then why is it that competitive runners always seem to wear
singlets when racing?  All I can come up with is they don't want to pin
the number to their bare skin.  :)  There must be a better reason.  More
room for ad space?  It's not only top runners who do this ...  running
sans shirt seems so much more comfortable to me.

>Preston Briggs

-ashish


-- 
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ashish@tfs.COM        I've been talking to Jesus all my life ...     Genesis
Newsgroups: rec.running,misc.fitness,sci.med
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: How To Identify Lactic Acid Buildup?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 23:04:34 GMT
Organization: Mail Group

Could someone who is familiar with the subject please tell me what sorts
of symptoms lactic acid buildup causes on the day *after* a long
workout, and are there any ways to speed recovery?

I'm actually a windsurfer, not a runner, but it seems to me that lactic
acid is a problem that runners deal with frequently.  I find that the
day after a long day of windsurfing, my whole body is incredibly weak.
It's not a localized pain, as with a weightlifting workout, but a
general lethargy and a sensation in the muscle that it will not sustain
any kind of work.  I guess I could describe the feeling as one of not
having any glycogen stored in the muscle.  I'm not sore; it's more that
I just lack any muscular energy.

Any thoughts on whether these symptoms are due to lactic acid, and can
someone recommend a few tricks for speeding recovery from a long
endurance workout?

Thanks,
Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com