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From: nicos@csa.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Flame! (Re: senna in indycars)
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:32:53 GMT
Reply-To: nicos@cs.bu.edu (Nicos Kontopoulos)
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

mcclure@NEBULA.SSD.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM wrote:
>Senna in IndyCars.  I hope not!  His style of elitism and his
>dangerous driving style should not be put up with - either in
>IndyCars or F1.
>Kent M. McClure
>Auto racing afficionado and member of San
>Jose IPMS chapter.
>My views are what they are, like them or not.


Well, since traffic in r.a.s. is much less than it was during the season, 
I thought I'd start a (small) flame war between Mr. McClure and the rest of
the world :-)

So, Kent M. McClure, what did you think you'd achieve by posting the above
article in the newsgroup? You started a new topic, it wasn't even a reply
to someone else's posting for God's sake! Were you trying to educate us about
a deep Motorsport knowledge only you possess? Or do you think it is wise
to just come out and say what you think in a forum like this, read by many
people from very different cultures and countries?

Please, people, let's use some common sense when posting :-) The F1
driver in question is not the point here; what r.a.s. (or any usenet
newsgroup for that matter) is all about, IS the point.

At this point, you'd expect me to apologize for having posted this, as
opposed to using private mail; I will not! I believe a discussion on
netiquette is long overdue in r.a.s... and this, of course, is not directed
towards Mr. McClure only! At any rate, by changing the subject line to
"Flame!", I think I made it pretty clear what one should expect to find in
this posting.


Thank you all for your time,


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From: fish@iastate.edu (Craig J Fischer)
Subject: McLaren Drivers '93
Summary: If Senna sits out, who will Michael Andretti's teammate be?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:02:42 GMT

I was wondering...since nobody seems to know what Senna is doing next year
(including himself, it seems), what will McLaren do if he doesn't drive for
them???

I can't imagine that they'd run a one-car team, but what drivers are available?
Most would be contracted for '93 by now, so might McLaren do as Williams and
recruit their test driver?  If so, does anyone know who that is?? I know it 
was Emmanule Pirro a few years ago, but he took another drive.  

Is Martin Brundle busy yet?? Without getting into a debate over Brundle 
himself, is there anyone of his potential that could drive for McLaren next
year??

I think it would be an easier transistion for Michael if he had a teammate that
was familiar with the courses (and countries, and F1 politics, etc), but no
mention seems to have been made anywhere of a teammate if Senna sits out.

Just curious...
Craig

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From: danjones@pyramid.COM (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: '93 AutoCourse
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:40:12 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: xploit.eng.pyramid.com

For those of you ordering your AutoCourses through Classic Motorbooks
they came in today (Dec 17) and they are to be shipped out tommorrow.

Dan Jones
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: tan@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (David Tan,Box 219 Baker Lab,54810,2720402)
Subject: Porsche trivia question
Originator: tan@msc2.msc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:25:15 GMT

Not sure whether this goes here or in r.a.vw... :)

Does anyone out there know what the Carrera and RSR designations mean?
Presumably the Carrera is named after the Carrera Panamericana, of
(among other things) buzzard bar fame, but what makes the Carrera model
different from the stock 911?  Similarly for RS (Rallye Sport?) and RSR.
If these aren't real sports cars (as opposed to, say, Mazda's idea of a
"pure sports car"), you have my apologies (and direct followups to r.a.)

Just wondering...

Thanks in advance,

Dave

Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: rgolen@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Re: RaceTime Magazine
Reply-To: rgolen@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:17:47 GMT

`In article <28050@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, leres@ace.ee.lbl.gov (Craig Leres) writes:
>I subscribed to RaceTime about 5 months ago and really like having all
>the motorsports TV listings in one place. However, it started arriving
>late a few months ago; last month it didn't show up until the 18th
>(well after I got back from the Hooter's 500) and this month's still
>hasn't arrived.
>
>I tried calling their 800 number but it rings and rings. I tried
>calling their business office but that number is disconnected. Their
>fax number rings but doesn't answer. Out of desperation, I called their
>advertising representative and he seems to know quite a bit.
>
>Apparently, RaceTime is in the process of moving their offices. This
>has caused quite a disruption. Also, the owner "Bill" decided not to
>put out December and January issues for lack of listings (everyone's
>subscriptions will get boosted 2 months to make up for this). And after
>Bill decided to close shop for 2 months, he left on a 5 week vacation
>in Poland and didn't leave anyone authorization to have the new phones
>hooked up. Anyway, the account rep was kind of miffed and said that my
>complaints were familiar. But at least he has some idea of what's going
>on...
>
>		Craig
I had a similar problem with RaceTime two years ago. I ordered my subscription
in February, it did't arrive until April. It was on time until August, and
then slowly became later and later until the December issue never arrived.
I too called all of their numbers and found them disconnected. Finally
by February I tracked them down, and was told that the magazine had
gone under. I know the magazine was purchased by new owners this past
year or so, but it sure sounds like the same old story again. And
besides who goes to Poland for a vacation, unless Bill is doing
top secret research on the new K-Mart line of clothes designed
by the wife of a famous racer  :-)   ok...I had to throw that
in....Poland is not high on my list of places to visit.

Ric Golen
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 07:15:56 EST
From: <BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: AARWBA All-America Driver Nominees

In article <1992Dec16.043004.20378@reed.edu>, bradley@reed.edu (Ben Bradley)
says:

>In article <BzBttA.9Lw@ncube.com> bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
>>The ballots are out for for AARWBA (American
>>Auto Racing Writers and Broadcasters Assn)
>>1992 Auto Racing All-America Team.  The
>>nominees are:
>>
>>Open Wheel:  Michael Andretti, Emerson Fittipaldi,
>>Scott Goodyear, Bobby Rahal, Danny Sullivan, Al
>>Unser Jr.
>>
>>Stock Car:  Davey Allison, Bill Elliott, Harry Gant,
>>Alan Kulwicki, Mark Martin, Kyle Petty
>>
>>Road Racing:  Jack Baldwin, Juan Manuel Fangio II,
>>Paul Gentilozzi, Parker Johnstone, Steve Millen,
>>Scott Sharp
>>
>>Drag Racing:  Joe Amato, Kenny Bernstein, Doug Herbert,
>>Warren Johnson, Cory McClenathan, Cruz Pedregon
>>
>>Short Track:  Mike Eddy, Jeff Fuller, Junior Hanley,
>>Steve Kinser, Bill Sedgwick, Robbie Stanley
>>
>>At Large:  Robert Amren, Irv Hoerr, Blaine Johnson,
>>Rod Millen, Larry Ragland, Chris Smith
>>
>>My votes?  Rahal/Kulwicki/Johnstone/Pedregon/Kinser/Hoerr
>>
>>-bob-


>I agree with you on all but the last one, At Large.  I have to give
>my vote there for Rod Millen :>)...

>--
>Ben Bradley                 If you think it has to have a stick and ball to
>Reed College                be a sport, get a life you scissor-billed geek.
>Portland, OR                             --Gordon Scott
>bradley@reed.edu                           Nov. 24, 1992; PitStop finale

  My vote- Rahal, Kulwicki, Fangio, Pedregon, Kinser, and Milen
Brian ' I like your sig Ben! ' France
From: scs@scotty.mv.com (Steve Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Mears retires from Indycars
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 22:20:38 GMT
Organization: Scott Motorsports
Reply-To: scs@scotty.mv.com

I may be a little late on this one, but I just read it in
the paper this morning...Rick Mears has announced his 
retirement from Indy car racing...citing his bad wrist 
and other ailments as well as not winning a race in 92.

...so, I guess there's an opening at Penske after all.
...maybe there's truth to the Senna rumor.



Steve Scott        Manchester, NH.       scs@scotty.mv.com
Karting: Racing's best kept secret.


Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: bmartin@retix.com (William Martin)
Subject: sprint kart rules for 93 season
Summary: No aero noses allowed!!!
Originator: bmartin@kirk.retix.com
Keywords: karting, rules
Organization: Retix, Santa Monica CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:42:51 GMT

	Just learned that in IKF, at least, sprint karts are no longer
allowed to have anything in front of the nerf bars...the official story
is that too many people are using the nose pieces as "offensive weapons".
I don't think I understand/believe it! Recently, I got hit after being
spun around, and the plastic nose on my kart was smashed up pretty
soundly...but the impact to the driver(me) was softened considerably!
What really gets me about this new ruling...nobody asked for any input
from the rank & file karters before springing this upon us.
	Interested in other peoples thoughts/opinions on this...if enough
people complain to their pet IKF board member, perhaps it can be undone.
I won't be holding my breath, but please let me know what you think!

bill martin
bmartin@kirk.retix.com



Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: rgolen@UMASSD.EDU
Subject: Distribution of messages in this list
Reply-To: rgolen@UMASSD.EDU
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:41:01 GMT

Does everyone on the rec.autos.sport list get ALL of the postings
or do we get postings in a random fashion. The reason I am asking
is that since the original onslaught of "Mears Retirement"
postings in the late part of last week, there have been one
or two postings each day announcing the "newsflash" of
Mears retirement.

That begs the question, do people actually read the postings
as they come in?, or don't all of the postings go to all
of the people on the list?

Ric Golen
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Cig and Alcohol Ads
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:12:21 GMT

In article <168C07D96.GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu> GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes) writes:
>Must disagree philosophically with Gerald on this one,
>as well as on a couple of niggling points. In representative
>democracies there remainsa vast difference in standing of
>activities that are legal and those that are illegal as
>far as protection and opportunity under the law.
>

Actually, I gave an analysis...I actually didn't state my personal
opinion...the analysis is that it is likely that the legal treatment
of tobacco and things like marijuana and even cocaine are likely slowly
to merge...and this can be seen in anti-tobacco advertising movements
around the world...and we are likely to see a move towards the
liberalization of the usage of other drugs because of the failure
of fascist-like programs such as the "War on Drugs".  Personally,
I am still mulling over the issues, as they are complicated.

>Taking the argument to its extreme level, all
>activities which pose a risk to the individual
>and a potential cost to society ought to be
>prohibited. History suggests that such totalitarian
>impositionsdo not serve the best interest of a
>flourishing human spirit.
>

Essentially nobody is talking about banning tobacco...but restricting
advertising based on undistibutable scientific evidence, which at some
level does provide a quantitative basis for limiting the freedom of
expression of tobacco companies to advertise.  It would be foolish
make tobacco illegal...one just need look at the stupidity of making
the drugs that currently are illegal, illegal.

But these are troubling issues...my interest in auto racing has been
increasing over the years, but it is somewhat of an ethical dilemma
that tobacco is so important to auto-racing, and some other sports
as well (and the arts to).  I personally am immune to the advertising
...but the ethical dilemma remains.

Gerald
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: French GP struck off!
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:53:13 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College

In article <Bz25DD.52I@dscomsa.desy.de>, hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:
> In article <9212101547.AA13163@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>,
> PHT007%SIRIUS.UKC.AC.UK@ib.rl.ac.uk writes:
> Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
> |>
> |>I've just read on Ceefax, that Fisa has decided to delete the French Grand
> |>prix
> |>(Scheduled for the 4th July) from the 1993 calender. This is because they can
> |>no longer guarantee the free movement of the teams in France.
> |>
> 
> We this should teach the French govt that it cannot let a mob of vicious thugs
> blockade the highways. 

According to the news report I read, the FISA decision had nothing to
do with people blockading the highways.  The French race was dropped 
because a French court fined McClaren (I think) for displaying cigarette
advertising in the Australian Grand Prix, which was shown on French TV.
The fear, I expect, is that before too long many of the teams will owe
massive fines in France, so that if they set foot on French soil, they
could be detained until they pay.
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Lorne Epp                                               epp@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Various threads.
From: Stuart_K_Laing@kcbbs.gen.nz (Stuart Laing)
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:11:10 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Robert at last look Rover was still owned by British Aerospace which I
think is a U K company . 
The Cooper Climax motor was based on a firepump motor that the Rootes
Group built during the Second World War if I remember correctly( I am
sure Pete@Minister will correct me if need be).
Rootes in the 60's were bought out by Chrysler at about the same time
that Chrysler took over Simca in France. When Chrysler in the70's had
major prblems they flicked it off with Simca to Pugeot (SP??), this
became of course the Talbot arm which has all but disappeared.
Organization: Da Sharks -- Nittany Hockey League
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:44:03 EST
From: You Know Who <GGN100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Rover and Jordan was Re: Various threads.
 <1992Dec17.134756.6061@gdr.bath.ac.uk>
 <1992Dec18.081247.9240@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> <1gsqfjINN8gh@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk>

In article <1gsqfjINN8gh@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk>, mbahh@s-crim1.dl.ac.uk (A.H. Henry)
says:
>
>In article <1992Dec18.081247.9240@neptune.inf.ethz.ch>
>marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch
>(Robert Marti) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec17.134756.6061@gdr.bath.ac.uk>, bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
>>(Andrew Henry) writes:
>>
>>Interesting.  Is Rover still a British Leyland company?  (Are Jaguar?)
>>Or are one or more of these entities owned by the Japanese?  And wasn't
>>the 1.5 litre Coventry Climax F1 engine a product of British Leyland?
>
>Triumph, Riley, Wolsley and Morris no longer exist as car marques.
>I think they might still use the Austin name for minis and the like.
>Jaguar is a separate company that was bought out by Ford a few years
>ago.  I'm not sure about Land Rover - they might be a separate company.
>They still use Rover switchgear, door handles and the like.
>

Ahh yes, but the MG name still exists, Although sometimes in name only.
Not really any different than the badge engineering that goes on in the US.
But soon, the real thing should be out... Again!

>
>I've never heard of the Coventry Climax engine being one of their
>engines, but I'm no expert on that era.  It was designed as a portable
>fire pump.
>

     At one point, the Healeys wanted to build a "super sprite"
using the 1100cc version of the venerable pump engine. They were
told never to use a outside engine and the plan was scrapped. This
was in the early 60's, but I doubt that they ever bought the engine
or else SOMEONE would have put it in a sports car (MG, AH, etc)

>Rover has actively supported club motorsport in the years since the
>Metro 6R4 group B rally car with several one make saloon car racing
>series.  However, this would be their first foray into single seater
>racing for a while.

Hmmm... Wasn't BL and or Unipart a assoc. sponsor of Williams several
years back when they bore Scandia Air colors?

>
>                        Andrew  Henry
>Sempre  Gilles                                  bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
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Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com (Mark Jackson)
Subject: Re: Williams F1
Reply-To: mjackson.wbst147@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:46:57 GMT

In article 15947@bmerh85.bnr.ca, myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
> Could it be that Nigel Mansell studied, graduated, and worked as a
> mechanical engineer while pursueing his racing career on the side in
> his younger days? Think of it! Is this a world's first? An engineer
> wins the F1 driver's championship!     |->)

Not quite.  Giuseppe Farina won the first WDC in 1950, and he had a
doctorate in engineering.

---
Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>
    [X and Y] point out that their device is hardly state of the art.
    It was, after all, built out of off-the-shelf parts by theorists.
	    - world-class understatement from the November /Physics Today/


Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: franti@polaris.utu.fi (Pasi Fr{nti)
Subject: Re: F1: Hill gets Williams drive!
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 10:31:11 GMT

bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:

>Ohhhh....is this the same Mears who is:

>- 3 time national champion ('79/'81/'82)
>- 4 time Indy500 winner (79/84/88/91)
>- Only driver to win 6 Indy500 poles (79/82/86/88/89/91)
>- Only IndyCar driver to win every road course in a single
>season (81)
>- Came to IndyCars from the world of off-road racing
>- Started racing motorcycles in the California desert in '68
>- Won more than 60 trophies before switching to dune buggies
>to please his worried mother
>- In '73, took 7 off-road victories and started racing sports-
>man stock cars in California
>- Has an older brother that has dabbled in Indycars and throws
>a truck around here and there


Has he any merits from the Formula-1?  No. That's what I thought. 
Who is this guy anyway?? :-)



Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: David_McCullum@mindlink.bc.ca (David McCullum)
Subject: Rick Mears! vote
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:30:07 GMT

I am amazed that this has not been posted yet! Rick Mears has announced his
retirement from race car driving. This has to fuel the fire that is the
rumour regarding Mr. Senna et al.


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From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Williams F1
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:59:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regenmeister

From article <9212141434.AA00728@client47.comlab.ox.ac.uk>, by Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk:
> 
> Just announced that Damon Hill will be the second driver to Alain 
> Prost on the Willaims Team.
> 
> I reckon he will be better than Prost and if he competes in all the races
> may well end up with more points.
> 
> Alan

Damon Hill is the front runner for the world championship in 93.  I
think that Prost will have to struggle to be runner-up.

Chris
From: kreibema@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Michael A Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: classic rods
Date: 15 Dec 92 14:50:42 GMT
Reply-To: kreibema@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Michael A Kreiberg)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: g222-27.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

Does anyone have an interest in the older automobile?

I have a '56 chevy truck and a myriad of performance parts and accesories  
from the 60's
Including a complete 1967 350hp corvette motor.

I would love to see more postings involving this era
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving