HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Why does PAD *stay* on the net? 
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:37:28 GMT

fscem1@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>	Given the fact that we netters seem to be a terrible and
>nasty bunch all around, why do you *stay* on the net? 

Buried among all the nastiness ("Usenet doesn't have an attitude,
Usenet IS an attitude") is more information that you'll find anywhere,
even if you were willing to read all the fanboy info-mags. 

And even the nastier flame wars usually have a few good points brought
up. 
-- 
There are a number of mechanical devices which increase sexual arousal,
particularly in women.  Chief among these is the Mercedes-Benz 380SL
convertible. -- P.J. O'Rourke
From: upham@cs.ubc.ca (Derek Upham)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hellblazer, and Hell
Date: 13 Dec 1992 23:04:23 -0800
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tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:

>I think they must have come into existance at the same time, becasue
>Good and Evil can't exist without one another.  They have no meaning
>seperate.

But what sort of Good and Evil?  Ennis' portrait of Heaven reminds me
a lot of how Hickman and Weis portrayed the Kingpriest in the
Dragonlance novels: absolute goodness leading to absolute intolerance.
Case in point:

>Heaven is anything but forgiving and merciful, and all togetehr
>too caught up in the bloody war with Hell (look at how they dealt
>with Chantinelle and Tali's child).

>Personally, I think John wants to nail the Snob.  He's already got
>Hell gunning for his arse, why not even things up by getting the Other
>Side after him as well?  It seems his style.

Intriguing.  I was thinking about something else.  Let's consider the
body count, shall we?  The First has stripped Nergal of his demon
status, stuck Triskele's head on a spike, and rendered Agony and
Ecstasy.  He's the strongest being currently in Hell, but he's making
a lot of his playmates very angry.  What would happen if there was a
rebellion?  We know that the Second and Third are, together, stronger
than the First; what if they join with a lot of others?

Derek

-- 
Derek Lynn Upham                               University of British Columbia
upham@cs.ubc.ca                                   Computer Science Department
=============================================================================
"Ha!  Your Leaping Tiger Kung Fu is no match for my Frightened Piglet Style!"
From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Cerebus M&D 14 (spoilers)
Date: 19 Dec 1992 19:04:30 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
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Yet another issue of Cerebus being pushed from
 place to place by powers he doesn't understand.
 He doesn't have a single line or initiate a
 single action.  

We learn a great deal of interesting stuff about
 the old woman, but not who she is.  My guess is
 she's a former Cirin (i.e. the current Cirin got
 her job from this one).

Next issue Cerebus will be on his own among human
 males.  Maybe he'll say or do something.
From: lsmith@atto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman - A Thought
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:05:25 GMT
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In article <1992Dec16.172733.6560@uvm.edu> cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
>
>	Here's a question I have after buying/reading _Preludes and Nocturnes_
>last Friday.  When Dream and Scott Free go to ask J'onz where Dream's ruby
>might be, they (MM and Dream) recognize each other.  Thus I'm led to believe
>that everyone in the universe knows the Endless.  If this is the case,
>why this big hub-hub about Destruction leaving?  Certainly there are planets
>where war and such are still kicking in full force (ie. Apokolypse(sp)).

The Martian Manhunter recognizes Dream as a Martian deity. (Dream just
recognizes J'onn as a Martian.) In the case of MM, if your religious
beliefs had a dream god among its pantheon, then Dream would appear
that way to you. An ancient Greek, for example, might see Dream as he
was depicted as the god Morpheus. Since many of us don't have such a
deity within our beliefs, Dream usually appears as a rock star.

Why the big hub-bub about Destruction leaving? Is there a big hub-bub? He's
been on vacation for 300 years and we seem to be getting along OK. Most of
the Endless seem to have accepted his departure. His possible return seems
to be causing the bigger disturbance.

-----------------------------
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith  | "Yes, these boots are very heavy. No, I don't
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  want to trade hats with you. Yes, my cap is 
    My tribe know me as     |  a little faded. Hmmm, that reminds me..."
 'Dances with Dust Bunnies' |                   _Mr Peanut meets Red Cap_
From: mre@kepler.unh.edu (Santa MikE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
Subject: Re: LNH: Hello?  Anybody out there?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 04:57:32 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
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In article <168BDEC5A.REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
>Nothing's been posted.  The LNH has fallen prey to a new group of nasty,
>nefarious supervillains: college professors!  :-)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	--MikE...they got me, too, guys.


-- 
Mike Escutia	   |	"Holy Bat Caves, Boy Wonder!" 
a.k.a. Pliable Lad |				--Speedball, 
of the LNH	   |MikE@unh.edu |||  		  _New Warriors_ #31 
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From: mss2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Re: Sandman: More musings on Destruction
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:23:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.181322.25848@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) writes:
>Another random thought: We all seem to agree that Destruction is
>living on a Greek island. He may have been there for a while
>(perhaps several centuries).

>Funny how many wars have been starting in that part of the world.
>The Balkans have long been notorious for "producing more history
>than they can consume locally". WWI, for example, started with a
>Balkan explosion. The fertile crescent has also been a breeding
>ground for conflict (Israel, Lebanon, etc., etc., etc.). Could
>this be a result (perhaps unintentional) of Destruction's
>proximity?

	He hasn't been there long enough-- the Balkans have been like
that for a _long_ time.  Greek city states, Hellenistic empires,
(brief pause for the Romans), then the Byzantines' wars of survival,
the Ottomans' advance into Europe, and only after all that, when the
Ottomans start falling apart, does Destruction retire (we don't know
that he settled there right away).  Whatever Destruction does, I don't
think it manifests directly as war-related effects, since there's no
clear break in the nature of war in the late seventeenth or early
eighteenth century.

Mike
-- 
Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS	"Indeed I tremble for my country
mss2@midway.uchicago.edu	 when I reflect that God is just."
mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
mschiffer@aal.itd.umich.edu	    Virginia (1784)
From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Star-crossed artists and writers
Date: 17 Dec 92 19:01:10 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
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In-reply-to: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)

In article <1992Dec16.211027.4966@tc.fluke.COM>, moriarty@tc (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
>In <lsmith.723951339@peca> lsmith@peca.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>
>>If nothing else, a big musical number like "Why can't the writers and
>>the artists be friends?"
>
>Maybe a star-crossed romance between a comix artist and a writer?  Jonathon
>Pryce playing Neil Gaimen and Leo Salonga playing Colleen Doran?

No no no; Tom Waits playing Dave Sim and Joanna Gleason playing Colleen
Doran.  Music and lyrics by Sondheim.  Dancing choreographed by Tommy
Tune (who can also play Gerhard).  Ironic input by Tom Lehrer (a
rendition of SMUT sometime near the end of act I would be good).  Jack
Nicholson in a non-singing role as Stan Lee.  Alan Moore in a walk-on as
himself.  Billy Barty as Cerebus (in a dream sequence in act II).

Heck, the thing will write itself.
-- 
    Doug Moran        | A worldwide shortage of #2 pencils has left many tech
   dougm@hal.com      | writers unable to take notes or doodle during meetings,
 {...}!hal.com!dougm  | forcing them to pay attention or end the meeting by
 HaL Computer Systems | flinging live poisonous insects at the other attendees.
From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC AIDS PSAs
Date: 21 Dec 92 00:15:02 GMT
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA

In article <BzKoD1.AH@cmcl2.nyu.edu> silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) writes:
>ast2r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Andrew Symons Troth) writes:
>
>
>>	And the "mature readers" AIDS piece is *certain* to offend some
>>	people, but they really have no basis for complaint because they
>>	were warned on the first page. On the other hand, it looked to me
>>	like McKean probably took a great deal of time and care in laying
>>	the piece out and pasting and drawing in the background illos, then
>>	drew the Death and JC figures in about fifteen minutes. They barely
>>	looked like *people*, much less the characters they were meant to
>>	represent.
>
>I agree with you on that!  Death looks like she's having a REALLY bad
>hair day, and Constantine is only identifiable by his trenchcoat...
>Other than the bad art, tho, the piece was very well done, and I think
>Death was definitely the right one to do it.  
>

	Yeah, the characters definitely were drawn abysmally!  I wonder 
whether that might not have been deliberate though--  part of the plan
way well have been to present a less "sexy" Death and a less "scary"
Constantine.

	--  Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
From: Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: SANDMAN - OLD GODS
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:01:00 GMT

>From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
>Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control

>[But who influenced the Shriners to drive around in those little cars?]

...Egads, after this particular travelogue, it should be pretty obvious!
I mean, really my friend, have you ever noticed how delirious those
shriners tend to drive? :-)

                                                                OM

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From: mikeo@seas.gwu.edu (Michael J O'Malley)
Subject: Re: Stan Lee
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:37:49 GMT

In article <5069@equinox.unr.edu> efox@unssun.nevada.edu (Eric Fox) writes:
>With all this talk about Stan the Man going around the net, I was curious--
>has anyone out there actually met him?  I ask because from what I've seen,
>read, heard about or from him, he kind of seems like...oh...an obnoxious
>twit, maybe?
>
>Y'know, kinda like the weird dork who sat behind you in seventh grade english
>class and shot spitballs at you?
>
>I don't know...maybe he's actually a kind, loving human being who just happens
>to like to annoy the hell out of people with his "Excelsior!!!!" and cute
>little nicknames for all his staff...he just seems like the typical Hollywood
>flake...the ultimate schmooze (as someone on the net pointed out...)
>
>Just wonderin'.........:-)
>
>
>				-Fox-

   I met him last year at a comics show here in DC.  He's actually a decent guy, though he's one of those people who tries to fit in with college students by
reciting ancient cliches ("in the groove", "gnarly", etc.).  I don't blame the
man for being out of touch; he's been around for a while. 
   He also did a promo for our college radio station, complete with "Excelsior!"Our fault for not scripting him, I guess. :)

Mike
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From: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise)
Subject: Re: Sandman - A Thought
Originator: cblaise@moose.uvm.edu
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:27:33 GMT

> In article 1g5ndsINNl48@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary) writes:
>> 
>> To the theory that Delirium was assaulted; who would have the 
>> power to assault an endless?  Perhaps, some absurdly powerful
>> wizard?

	Gee, in issue #1, an Endless was captured and held captive for
80 years... :)

	Seriously though, I can see a story where Delight falls in love
with a man who mentally/physically abuses her to the point of breaking
her psyche into what we now see.

	Or it could simply by the conclusion of the "Dawn Days" where
the world and it's attitude's/ideas were changing, Destruction split,
and Delight turned to Delerium.

	IMHO, given that we've seen Del transform physically (ie. her hair)
and she's staying on this "quest", we're gonna either see her turn back
into Delight or something else.  My rational for thinking she's mentally
changing is that she's still concentrating on finding Destruction, where
her old self was, well, unfocused as in delerium.  No it's not a tremendous
leap, but more than a slight one nonetheless.

	Here's a question I have after buying/reading _Preludes and Nocturnes_
last Friday.  When Dream and Scott Free go to ask J'onz where Dream's ruby
might be, they (MM and Dream) recognize each other.  Thus I'm led to believe
that everyone in the universe knows the Endless.  If this is the case,
why this big hub-hub about Destruction leaving?  Certainly there are planets
where war and such are still kicking in full force (ie. Apokolypse(sp)).

	Or, is this just "one of those things" that Neil didn't really think
out, and as subsequent issues have alluded to, the Endless and their
mythos are earth-bound?

 TTYL
 Chris

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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: DC AIDS PSAs
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 08:07:17 GMT

In article <mumble> lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:

>In the last several weeks, DC has done a number of one-page public
>service ads about AIDS featuring various DC heroes.  These have
>appeared in both DC comics and in other Time/Warner magazines (I first
>saw them in Entertainment Weekly)  So far I've seen:
>Robin and Alfred, as drawn by the Robin miniseries people,
>John Stewart, as drawn by Pat Broderick,
>Flash--who drew this one??
>	Any others that I've missed?

There's a JLA one with Booster, Beetle, and Fire; don't know who drew
it though.  I haven't seen the Flash one yet.

-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)                               /|
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)           o| |-
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."                              /| \|
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: Star-crossed artists and writers
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:10:27 GMT

In <lsmith.723951339@peca> lsmith@peca.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:

>If nothing else, a big musical number like "Why can't the writers and
>the artists be friends?"

Maybe a star-crossed romance between a comix artist and a writer?  Jonathon
Pryce playing Neil Gaimen and Leo Salonga playing Colleen Doran?

[No, wait, that's adultery.  OK, we'll kill their respective spouses off in
 the Act II.  (There's this insane superpowered alien, see...)]

                           "The whole subject area is rife with speculation
                           "[Seen on] a kid's Halloween costume (Superman) -
                            stitched into the cape was a tag saying, `Warning:
                            Use of This Device Does Not Enable Wearer To
                            Fly'."
                                           -- Barry Brumitt

                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
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From: mickey@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Mickey)
Subject: Goofy Rumors and Superman
Keywords: superman, sandman, doomsday 
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:36:27 GMT


Well, for sometime I had been wondering how some goofy comic book rumors
get started.  Today I was able to bear witness to the actual creation of
one really silly rumor.

I was in my local comic shop rummaging around (they are having a sale of
sorts) and a Crazed Man runs in wanting to know where he can find the
Death of Superman Special.  The Clerk Lady said there wasn't such a comic,
but this guy had to make sure, so he calls the comic shop owner from the 
phone.  The Crazed Man learned from the Comic Shop Owner that there indeed
wasn't a Death of Superman Special floating around out there that had
the secret Doomsday-Superman battle in it.  However, the Crazed Man went on
to expound on his theory that the real Superman wasn't killed.  It's
the Sandman-Superman, Crazed Man says, he took Superman's place after their
battle and the real Superman is in a coma somewhere and he'll wake up now
that the Sandman Creature is dead.  He is convinced the Sand-Superman
absorbed all of Superman's powers, along with his memories and "desire to
combat evil."

The Crazed Man ranted for a bit longer at the Clueless Clerk Lady, who
doesn't really read comics, then he left.  That was ridiculous enough.
However, Shopping Mom then entered the store, with her son's Christmas
List O' Comics.  Shopping Mom and Clerk Lady discuss Superman trade
paperback, which leads Clerk Lady to say some things.  Their conversation
follows in very abbreviated form:

CLERK LADY:  I heard this theory that Superman had a fight with
Sandman and that Sandman was going to be killed instead of Superman.

SHOPPING MOM:  Really?  That sounds like something they would do in
those comics.

CLERK LADY:  Yeah, they're always doing strange stuff like cloning
people and stuff.

SHOPPING MOM:  But, Sandman, you said ?  I thought he fought Spider-Man
or something...

CLERK LADY:  I don't know, but he has his own comic now...it's part of
some mature readers line.

SHOPPING MOM:  You don't say.  So he killed Superman?

CLERK LADY:  No, he's going to end up getting killed when Superman
comes back to life.

SHOPPING MOM:  Oh, so they'll cancel his comic book.

CLERK LADY:  I guess so.


I nearly laughed myself into a fit when I left.



Mick

 
 

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"I'll make your business my business."		Forever reading      / |	
"You wouldn't want my business, the pay's            The Fantastic  /__|_ 
too small." -  Phil Marlowe, _The Big Sleep_                           |
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Date: Thursday, 17 Dec 1992 12:22:30 EST
From: <AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Spawn Question

My guess to those strange numbers that appear in Spawn is his energy level.
You know how using his energy, drains himself more each time?  Maybe
those numbers represent his energy level being replenished or taken away.
I think that the numbers themselves are just random ones that McFarlane
picks.  It's weird that no one has written about it to McFarlane yet in his
letter colunm.  Unless he's deliberately not printing them to keep it more
mysterious.
  By the way, the next Spawn issue with one of the guest writers takes place
in Hell.  It supposed to bring Kincaid (or whoever) down into the different
layers of Hell.  The worst being the bottom.  I've already read a poem or
a story that has this *exact* same idea.  Some guy is taken to all of the
different layers of Hell by his host, Satan.  I can't remember the authors
name though,(it was in English class last year).Is McFarlane stealing?
Check six.
Paul
(The Great White North. "5 golden tuques!...4 pounds of back bacon....
3 french toast....2 turtlenecks...and a beer in a tree....that beer is
empty, eh?-Bob and Doug MacKenzie)
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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Lum and Glenner)
Subject: DC: Ace the Bathound!
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 09:09:07 GMT

He's back!  The Dark Hound Returns!  Just when you thought it was safe
to go back into the pound...  No, really, it's true.  Hey, I thought
they were just joking, too.  But there he is, big as life, in Shadow
of the Bat 9.  It was a rather non-descript return though, actually.
OK, so it was downright boring, but it could have been worse.  With
Killer Moth in the storyline, they could have brought back Batgirl.
You know, she could have been an Italian schoolteacher, with the body
of an X-person, or some such.  Maybe change her hair color, too.  Wait
a minute....

Kala Christogenou, Joyeux Noel, Frohe Weihnachten, etc.
   ex machina, mais naturlich
Glenn, still mixing his languages a tad too dry (hic!)
......................................................................
"All right, Ace.  It's up to you now, pal!"
   --- Robin!
"Aarf!"
   --- Ace, or maybe it was Sandy.  They all look the same to me.
......................................................................
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From: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: I'm bored - gimme something to read
Reply-To: st902173@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:59:01 GMT

aside from the aforementioned sanman and cerebus which i, too, eagerly
await each month, i would only recommend a few other books.

bone is fantastic. (cartoon books) by far the best new book i have read      
in a long, long time.
cages (dave mckean, tundra) is highly recommended. a ten issue series,
six of which are out. quarterly, the last issue was out at the end of
oct.
eightball i just picked this up for the first time a couple of weeks
ago and have been completely enthralled. it is by far the most un-
settling thing i have encountered since eraserhead. utterly compelling.
any of michael dalton allred's work is worth looking at, the most
recent being madman adventures from tundra. (
(oops)   madman is really good--imho one of a mighty few 'hero' books
worth reading. if you can find them, grafik muzik and dead air are
equally good, and they introduce frank einstein. (two spellings--
graphique musique and grafik muzik. the first from slave labor, second
from caliber.)
miracleman is good, when it is published.
i also really enjoy grendel, flaming carrot and love and rockets.

unfortunately nearly all of these books are on nothing like a monthly
schedule. most are quarterly or are published when they are published.
if you do get into any of these, however, they will give you something
to search for while you look for another monthly book.

hope this all helps.

russ fischer
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