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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Effects of AC with Continental // PWA (CAI) with American ?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:02:39 GMT

In article <1dso9tINNl73@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee) writes:
>(Follow-ups directed to rec.travel.air)
>
>If I understand this correctly, Air Canada has bought part way into
>Continental Airlines to keep both companies somewhat "afloat."
>As well, I understand (rumour?) that PWA (the parent company of
>Canadian Airlines International) is planning to buy into American Airlines.
>

No...the plan is that American Airlines will buy into Canadian Airlines
International if CAI can raise around $300 million dollars in new
capital.

>With Air Canada's latest move, this effectively eliminates any
>possibility of a merger between AC and CAI in the near future.
>
>In any case, what do people think will be the effects, if any?

There is room for only one Canadian controlled carrier in the market...
if we try to have two, control of both airlines will ultimately lie
with American based carriers.

We shouldn't throw away our taxpayers dollars trying to maintain two
Canadian controlled carriers...the reality is that it is not possible...
we should either force a merger between Air Canada and CAI, or let
both be bought out by international carriers with none of our tax money
at risk.

The better option is to force a merger or to let Air Canada pick and
choose the good assets after CAI goes into bankruptcy.

The proposed bailout of CAI is insanity and a waste of our tax dollars.

Gerald

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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: airlines promotions
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 05:12:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.014335.15387@news.nd.edu> news@nd.edu writes:

>There are several airlines promotions for this winter.  Continental offers
>a free companion ticket if one flies four segments on it and a free coach
>for eight segments.  Northwest and USAir also give a free coach (in
>additional to the normal mileage) for
>eight segments or 12000 miles.  But I know there are restrictions about
>the free tickets from Continental.  They have to be used by around 5/31/93. 
>Is there anyone know if Northwest or USAir also have that kind of restrictions
>on the free tickets?

Yes, the tickets must be used by May 15, 1993 or so.  Call the
frequent flier numbers for full details.  If one flies more miles, she
can earn tickets for trips to Hawaii and/or Europe, depending on the
program.

>Also do United, American or Delta have similar promotions? 

Yes, United and American have similar promotions.  You have to be a
member of the respective frequent traveller programs, though.

Also, please use lines of less than 80 characters.  Lines of more than
80 characters are hard to read (and make following-up difficult).  I
have fixed your quoted lines in this follow-up.

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'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
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From: kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com (Brenda Molina)
Subject: Re: What can I do as a Premire United MP Member?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:57:40 GMT
Reply-To: kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Federal Systems Company

In article <1992Nov10.171125.4729@pony.Ingres.COM>, reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:
>I am a United Airlines Milage Plus PREMIRE member because I filled
>out this little card in Frequent Flyer magazine and I never fly United

Is that all that is required to become a premier member?  Is there any
cost? Are there any minimum mile requirements?  

If all it takes is filling out some card, where do I get one of those cards?
(I'm already a UA Mileage Plus member).

Thanks,
Brenda J. Molina                           kehleyr@vnet.ibm.com
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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: Chase VISA vouchers for travel on USAir
Followup-To: rec.travel.marketplace
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:37:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.185021.13282@athena.mit.edu> proto@mtl.mit.edu writes:

>I have been very disappointed with Chase's responses to my requests to 
>get information about the voucher program for students on USAir.
>I have sent them the letter posted below, summarizing my complaints.
>If you have had similar experiences, I urge you to write to them at
>Chase Correspondence, PO Box 31137, Tampa FL 33631-3137.

(A letter that was sent to Chase followed).

I received my certificate today (November 9, 1992).  The date on the
certificate was November 3, 1992.  I would expect the certificate by
the end of the week.


-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
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From: henniss@csli.stanford.edu (Kathryn Henniss)
Subject: FOR SALE: 1W ticket SF-Chicago 11/24/92
Organization: CSLI, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:00:53 GMT


FOR SALE: One way American Airlines ticket, San Francisco
to Chicago on Tuesday, November 11, 1992.

Depart SFO 11:40pm, arrive O'Hare 5:34am (11/25).

$75 OBO

Fly under female name.

Call 415/321-3049 (machine), or send email to
henniss@csli.stanford.edu.
From: john@pyrmania.pyramid.com.au (John Sims)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Asian Airports and China Airlines
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:27:09 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Perth, Western Australia

In article <BwusEH.LL9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> gcbrowni@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Grover C. Browning) writes:
>
>Jakarta airports? Finally, and I realize this is a long-shot, but,
>has anone had any experience with getting from the Jakarta airport to
>the Chilikan (sp?) bus terminal on the same side of town? I'm planning
>on leaving for Bogor that evening.

I haven't done that exact journey, but it is a long, and possibly slow journey
all the way across Jakarta.
Let's assume you arrive in JKT on time (hmmm :-). Allow 1-1.5 hours to complete
formalities. At best, you're looking for a taxi at 2000. Did I say taxi ?
Well, no doubt there are buses (in Jakarta we had friends at one point, so we
were'nt always slumming as we usually would), but at that time, given you want
to try to leave for Bogor that night, time is important.
I would guess you could reach the bus station by 2100 if all goes well.

Then it's time to find the right bus - although I'm sure there'll be LOTS of
helpful people waiting to guide you their bus... ;-)

Good luck, and go for it - we made it to the top of Mt Bromo 18 hours after
leaving our home in Perth, with only a flight to Denpasar organised (only
a three hour flight - lucky us :-), so there's no reason you can't make it,
just be aware Jakarta is a big place, allow time, and _hope_ your international
flights are on time.
>
>Grover, soon on his way to Jakarta

Lucky Grover :-)

John, who would love to be going back to Java.
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Date: Monday, 9 Nov 1992 09:54:10 CET
From: Mario Merri <MMERRI@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject:    Can I buy a discounted US ticket originating in Europe?

Sometime I have the chance to read the Travel Section of the Sunday
issue of the New York Times. There I always find some ridicolous prices
for flight anywhere in the world.

Can anyone give me information/previous-experience regarding the possibility
of purchasing discounted air tickets originating in Europe from one of these
agencies? Clearly the form of payment should be credit card and the delivery
of the ticket by express mail.

Can anyone suggest me a specific travel agency in the US? Thanks

Mario Merri
MMERRI@ESOC.bitnet
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: AMEX miles for FF program?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:04:05 GMT

yan-dicky@cs.yale.edu (Dicky Yan) wrote: 
->Yes, and the FIRST YEAR is free! i.e. you can join the program and
->before the end of 12 months of joining the program, transfer all your
->miles to one or more of your favorite freq. flyer programs and then
->tell them you do not want to continue to join the program (if you think
->the $25 is not worth it).

if the annual fee bothers you, then think about it as a way to buy
cheap mileage ... to fly 5000 miles is to fly roughly a coast-to-coast
round trip, which would certainly cost you more than $25 ... some
frequent flyer programs (CO OnePass) let you buy mileage to top off
your account enough to claim specific awards, and they charge you
$25/thousand miles ... the savings is obvious, i think.

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# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
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From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Air Travel in the Former Soviet Union
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:09:43 GMT

pruss@helix.nih.gov (dmitry pruss) wrote: 
->I wonder if the whole decade could yield that awfull amount.
->Must be a plain soviet-bashing, IMO.

oh, spare us.  aeroflot is known to be unsafe.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
From: puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Credit Card for Continental FF Miles ?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:49:12 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: world
Reply-To: puerta@camis.stanford.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: mcs-next-12.stanford.edu

In article <1dbiagINN50m@rave.larc.nasa.gov> sleight@blackbird.larc.nasa.gov  
(David W. Sleight) writes:
> Are there any credit card companies in which purchases count
> toward frequent flier miles with Continental Airlines ?

Yes, American Express. You must pay $25 yearly to join their "Membership Miles"  
program (unless you're a Platinum member, in which case it would be free). This  
program allows you to convert 1 mile for each dollar spent to either Delta,  
Southwest, One Pass, or Northwest. In addition, you must spend at least $5,000  
in a calendar year to be able to convert your points to FF miles.

Diners Club gives you 1 mile per dollar in ANY FF program.

--
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu
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From: kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz)
Subject: Re: LA Airport
Organization: Chicago Software Works
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 09:44:09 GMT

In article <8492@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> weiss@boole.seas.ucla.edu (Michael Weiss) writes:
>All flights on international airlines (not domestic airlines that also fly
>international flights) use the Tom Bradley Int'l Terminal (called terminal
>3A unofficially).

Not true.  *Most* flights on international airlines leave LAX from the
Tom Bradley Terminal, but not *all*.  Virgin Atlantic used United's
terminal 7, at least until quite recently.  Strange bedfellows indeed!
Air Canada and Canadian both used terminal 2, though they've now moved
to Bradley.  Avianca still departs from 2.

>China Eastern is one of them.

China Eastern is one of the CAAC airlines, and the most recent map I
have of LAX lists CAAC at terminal 2 -- right after America West at
terminal 1.  Whether or not this info, if it is still accurate,
applies to China Eastern is a question best left to the airline.

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From: bernward@rcc.de (Bernward Averwald)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: American Transair
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:19:19 GMT
Organization: Home

Does anybody know American Transair?
They offer flights from Frankfurt to Honolulu for only DM 1299,-

Bernward
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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: What can I do as a Premier United MP Member?
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:09:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.043956.16345@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole) writes:
>I am a United Airlines Milage Plus PREMIRE member because I filled out
>this little card in Frequent Flyer magazine and I never fly United - I stick
>to NW and DL because they go to where I want to go and United does not (LEB).  
>Should I go out of my way because I have Premir to use United.. any advice?

Hmmm... I haven't seen "premier/premiere" spelled those ways before.
It is "Premier" in this case, Noah :-).  Also, watch those
greater-than-80 character lines.

Anyway, I was upgraded to Premier status by filling out a card in
Inside Flyer magazine over the summer.  If I flew 10,000 miles between
June 1 and November 30, I would have Premier status for all of 1993.
Luckily, I flew to Australia last month.

From what I know of it, Premier members receive a bonus of 25% on all
paid United miles, priority boarding, 24-hour advance confirmed
upgrades, and something I think is a neat idea: United will do
everything they can to give you an empty seat next to you in coach
(just reserve a window or aisle seat and Premier members will be the
last to have somebody put in the middle seat next to them).  That was
very welcome on the flight from Sydney to Los Angeles.

If you like the airline clubs, you get $100 off the United Red Carpet
Club.

If you don't fly anywhere that United flies (or not enough to make
your earned miles "wasted", I would just forget about it and
concentrate on Northwest (NW) or Delta (DL).

-- 
'Verily, there be no leader as wise as the Vision!'
                         Windsor Morgan (wmorgan@stsci.edu OR NHT@PSUVM.BITNET)
                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
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From: carrie@wam.umd.edu (Carrie Lynn Leonard)
Subject: Re: Discount Air Fares - for real?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:32:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.132741.6273@gw.wmich.edu> adamsf@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>I have heard about "discount" places to call for air travel.  Supposedly
>they are in the _travel_ section of newspapers.  Could someone help me
>out on this?  Are they reputable?
>              Do you really save?
>              Any numbers?

I have frequently used a travel agency out of San Diego, CA.  They have
saved me up to $250 on one-way ticket from BWI to LAX.  I have found no
catches or schemes and the people are very helpful.  The travel hours are
usually kinda strange, but the fares are cheaper.  The phone number is
1-800-FLY-CHEAP.  Happy flying.

        
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From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: U.S. domestic fare war  --  Part Two of the winter sale
Keywords: airfares, sale
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Distribution: na
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:56:25 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.073608.3173@nic.csu.net> sulistio@sutro.SFSU.EDU (Sulistio Muljadi) writes:
>Hmmm...
>I bought a ticket to SFO from Cedar Rapids, Iowa for $450.00
>it was on Wednesday, Nov. 25, 1992 flight.. Is there a way to get a refund?
>Its $270.00 on sale...

Something tells me there were (are) no more of the discount seats left
for the day before Turkey day...   I doubt you'll  get anywhere trying
to get money back.  I bought my turkey day tickets long ago and wasn't
able to get the lowest fare or use the $35 coupons that they printed a
while back.  Turkey day is a popular blackout day.
							reb
From: seanm@sobeco.com (s.macguire)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Canadaians choosing US Airlines?
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:33:04 GMT
Organization: Sobeco Ernst & Young

In <BxMH3J.352@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> howard@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Howard Lem) writes:

>In article <1992Nov12.151032.25499@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ncole@nyx.cs.du.edu (Noah Cole) writes:
>>
>>So, this question is auimed at Canadaians.  When you are choosing airlines
>>deoes nationality come into question ever?  What percentage of Canadaians
>>fly on US Airlines.  For example, lets say that a Canadaian wants to fly from
>>Toronto to Chicago. They coiuld fly AA, AC, or UA.  Would a Canadaian fly AC
>>becaus it is AC?  If it was cheaper to fly from Montreal to Vancouver via
>>Chicago on United, would someone do it?
>>

I have to go to London a lot, and it used to be cheaper to fly Montreal to
New York on Air Canada, then fly Virgin Atlantic to LHR.  Virgin is a great
airline for service and entertainment.  But now it's BA from Mirabel...

Air Canada sucks; it is a monopoly, and acts like one.  Canadian is better,
but I'd definitely consider other airlines, but for travel within Canada,
there's not much choice.

Air Canada also has another habit of quoting the *highest* fare on their
flights when you deal with them directly.  Most other airlines I have dealt
with would be more reasonable; then I'd call Air Canada back and ask about
the *other* fare I was quoted, and voila, there it was.

So I think the process is exactly the same for all travellers; the best
balance between price, service and convienience.  Canadians just have less
of a choice...
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From: csm1@cec2.wustl.edu (Christopher Scott Macri)
Subject: Christmas RT ticket STL-Aspen 4 sale!!
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:45:11 GMT


SKI the ROCKIES this New Years..

Round Trip ticket from St. Louis to Aspen, CO for sale
leaving Jan.2 and returning Jan. 9.  

Price $400 (If you even FIND a ticket still available, it will be $650+)

*******DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS ACCOUNT*******

***Email resoponses to- chris@contur.wustl.edu***


Need I say More?!?

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From: bill@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Heiser)
Subject: Re: AMEX miles for FF program?
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix  (508) 655-3848
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 01:22:09 GMT

puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta) writes:
>Absolutely, the AMEX points are converted 1:1 into miles in one of the above  
>mentioned programs. They simply add to what you already have in the FF program.  
>In addition, AMEX has its own set of rewards (hotel/vacation packages,  
>cruises).

Can an AMEX "additional cardholder" join this program?  If so can it
be kept separate from the primary cardholder's program (if any)?
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From: eap@leland.stanford.edu (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: 3 digit codes
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 23:21:46 GMT

Does anyone know what airport the 3 digit code "STC"
stands for?  Where is it?

Thanks in advance!
-Eric
From: bechtler@asdg.enet.dec.com (Laurie Bechtler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: U.S. domestic fare wars
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:09:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>>> Does anyone know if it is possible to buy one of these discounted tickets &
>>> then pay only $25 to change the dates of departure to a date that is after 
>>> the deadline for the discounted fare?  (ie. I need to travel BWI-SMF in 
>>> april but the discount is valid only if I travel before Feb-25).
>>
>>The ticket will probably be issued with a "NOT VALID AFTER" date of 
>>FEB 25 1993, which means exactly that--the ticket is not valid after
>>Feb 25th and can't be reissued for a ticket after Feb 25th.
>>
> 
>   Not quite...  they will let you re-ticket for a date after the sale ends,
>BUT they will charge you the difference between the fare you paid and the
>lowest fare available for the new day.
> 

So why buy now?  Unless you are planning to travel during peak times,
like Easter (don't know when it is next year) or school breaks, then 
you'll probably get a better fare buying after Christmas anyway.  And
if you do want those peak times, you're going to have to pay the going
rate anyway, as the posting above indicated.
Xref: sparky rec.travel.air:5588 can.general:5352
From: hlee@unixg.ubc.ca (Henry Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,can.general
Subject: Effects of AC with Continental // PWA (CAI) with American ?
Followup-To: rec.travel.air
Date: 12 Nov 1992 04:58:37 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: kynok.ucs.ubc.ca

(Follow-ups directed to rec.travel.air)

If I understand this correctly, Air Canada has bought part way into
Continental Airlines to keep both companies somewhat "afloat."
As well, I understand (rumour?) that PWA (the parent company of
Canadian Airlines International) is planning to buy into American Airlines.

With Air Canada's latest move, this effectively eliminates any
possibility of a merger between AC and CAI in the near future.

In any case, what do people think will be the effects, if any?
-- 

Henry Lee   <hlee@unixg.ubc.ca> // <lee@physics.ubc.ca>
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From: haggar@crchh432.BNR.CA (Haggar Alsaleh)
Subject: STAND BY TRAVEL
Keywords: STAND BY TRAVEL
Reply-To: haggar@crchh432.BNR.CA (Haggar Alsaleh)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 00:24:59 GMT



Could someone tell me which Airlines in the states that will
allow buying stand by tickets or go before the  flight and
get abord as stand by for destination from and inside the
US of A. I have called most airlines here in DALLAS trying
to fly to Ft Lauterdale, but all of them says no stand by
allowed.

Thanx
Haggar@bnr.ca
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