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From: peter@astol.astro.lu.se (Peter Linde)
Subject: network backup failures
Originator: peter@astol.astro.lu.se
Organization: Lund Observatory, Sweden
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:31:05 GMT



Dear net..

We have one 720, one 835 and one Sun-3 sharing eachothers disks via NFS.
The 720 has a DAT (with compression), which we want to use to backup all
file systems on all machines in a single operation.  The amount is about
1.2 Gb; 150000 files.  I have the following experiences:

- Running any backup  program on the 720 will  usually  fail for the NFS
  mounted file systems, since root access is not allowed over NFS on the
  HPs (Sun can be configured to allow it).

- Running  fbackup  on the 835 to  remotely  use the 720 DAT  should  be
  possible  (although   FASTSEARCH  is  not  supported  in  this  mode).
  However, in our case, fbackup  never gets through  building its inital
  tables  (after  15 (!)  hours  of CPU  time I gave  up).  Our  patched
  fbackup has revision  number  70.26. 

- datio does not support  remote DAT access.

It seems then that no simple solution exists to our backup  problem.  Do
I  have  to  sacrifice   security  by   implementing   a   non-supported
modification  of the kernel  (allowing NFS root access), or do I have to
spend  thousands of dollars to buy Omniback, just in order to be able to
do a decent backup?

Peter Linde


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: andy@ie.utoronto.ca (Andy Sun)
Subject: Re: HP's elm loses messages
Keywords: HP elm bug
Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:43:11 GMT

vaughan@ewd.dsto.gov.au (Vaughan Clarkson) writes:

>We are encountering an insidious bug in HP's implementation of elm (the default
>mailer on our system).  It seems that if, after editing a message for delivery,
>you hit the 's' button (for send), and then quit immediately, the mail never
>gets sent even though the messages 'Sending mail...' and then 'Mail sent!'
>appear to comfort the user.

>This is an extremely annoying bug, and though I have warned people on our net
>about quitting too quickly from elm, mail still gets lost this way.

>We're running a cluster with a HP 730 as the server, and HP 720s as clients.
>The OS is HP-UX 8.07, although we noticed the bug when we had 8.05 as well.

>Has anyone else noticed this bug?  Or, better, know how to fix it?

We have users who complained about this on HP 9000/720 with HPUX 8.05.
This only happens when people reply to messages (it goes into edit
mode. So I guess our case is identical to yours). Starting from a new
message works fine. Loss messages simply vaporized. It does't get bounced
back to the sender, doesn't bounced back to root and the mail log 
(/var/spool/mqueue/syslog) doesn't show any entry of the message being
sent or rejected.

I recently installed ELM version 2.3.11 to replace the HP one. It seems
to work fine so far. At first I thought this version doesn't support
the HP console softkeys, but someone told me that it does work, provided
that you enabled the softkey variable in .elmrc. BTW, ELM version 2.3.11
will compile painlessly under HPUX 8.05.

Andy
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Using Imake WITHOUT the mit Source Tree
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:45:45 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

In article <3617@eastman.UUCP>, gerwitz@Kodak.com (Paul Gerwitz) writes:
> I would like to take the typical program from comp.sources.X and other
> sources and be able to EASILY compile it in an HP-UX machine at 8.0 or 8.07
> without having the X11 source tree installed.

OK, I've lost count how many times this FAQ's been asked, but...

Check out our HP-UX archive, ftp.csc.liv.ac.uk [128.253.42.172]. The two
packages you want are:

/hpux/X11/imake-4.00.tar.Z    (Imake for X11R4 with associated scripts)
/hpux/X11/Xaw-4.00.tar.Z      (Xaw and Xmu X11R4 header files)

Follow the instructions in those 2 packages carefully (it's very easy to
install actually) and you should then be able to get the rest of our goodies
from the Archive and compile them with no problem.

> Any elegant solutions out there ??

I like to think our solution is reasonably elegant (uses HP's X11R4 libraries
and doesn't need the MIT X11R4 source tree at all). Of course, HP should have
supplied what we do in those two packages above with HP-UX 8.0, but that
goes without saying...

Archive Librarian,        E-mail: ftp@csc.liv.ac.uk
Computer Science Dept.,
Liverpool University, 
Merseyside, England,
Great Britain.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.protocols.tcp-ip
From: dhuber@autelca.ascom.ch (Daniel Huber)
Subject: traceroute for HP's 800 series (HP-UX 8.0) ??
Organization: Ascom Autelca AG, Guemligen, Switzerland
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 12:29:43 GMT

Hi there,

Could please somebody point me to a traceroute working on a 825 and on
a 835 with HP-UX 8.0?

There are *many* traceroute to find on archie, but which one will work
for HP?

At least the traceroute version 4.0 runs only on Sun's because of the
NIT interface.... (this version I have and use it on our Sun's...)

Thanks for any help

Daniel

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UNIX is the answer....what was the question?
From: cyrus@su.com (W. Tait Cyrus)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: promiscuous mode for network
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:43:31 GMT
Reply-To: cyrus@su.com (W. Tait Cyrus)
Organization: Solutions Unlimited, Colorado Springs, Colorado

Does anyone know if HP-UX (A.08.07 A 9000/730) allows placing the
network controller into promiscuous mode enabling 'root' to grab
packets off the of network?  If so, any pointers would be greately
appreciated.

Thanks in advance

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4710 Nightingale Dr. #M202
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From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:30:24 GMT
Subject: Re: X Windows on 9000/710
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, chan@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Chan Benson) writes:

> You need to get the developer's bundle that includes the "real" C
> compiler and X header files and archive libraries.

It is also possiible he has the header files, but didn't put
"-I /usr/include/X11R4" in the command line.

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	2 + 2 = 3, for suitably small values of 2
	Bill (H.) and Dave (P.) may not always agree with me
From: kinsell@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Dave Kinsell)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 00:18:08 GMT
Subject: Re: frecover failures on HP 8GB DAT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, chuck@edsi.plexus.COM (Chuck Tomasi) writes:

> A coworker of mine is having problems with his 425S doing incremental
> backups.  It seems that he was looking for a file from Tuesday night and
> it wasn't there.  I told him to use frecover to generate a listing of
> the tape contents and this is what he got:


> frecover(2114): read error from input device (I/O error)
> frecover(2114): read error from input device (Invalid argument)
> frecover(2113): unable to resync backup media
> frecover(4301): /users/qsys/cron.jobs/archive_customers not recovered from backup media
  
  
> We're using HP-UX 8.0.  If you have any ideas what could be causing
> this or you require further information please let me know.  To the best
> of my knowledge, his full backup ran fine and the file is there, but it
> has been changed since then (last Friday or Sunday.)

Well, first off, the drive isn't supported under 8.0.  That may or may not
have any relevance here.  Was it purchased from HP, or somewhere else?

From the output, it looks like a straightforward read error from the drive.
Dmesg output would likely show something about "medium error/read error"
due to the I/O error. About the only thing to try at this point is to clean
the drive and try again.  If you're not using approved media and following
the recommended cleaning procedures, you really should be.

-Dave Kinsell
 kinsell@fc.hp.com
From: bamboroughp@logica.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Domain Name Resolution on a 720
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:43:49 GMT

Forgive my ignorance .... 

How do I set up my 720 to resolve a domain name from the local /etc/hosts file
first then goto the resolver defined in resolv.conf or got to the /etc/hosts
file if the resolver failed to look up the domain name from the resolver
defined in resolv.conf ????


From: bobm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Montgomery)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:09:10 GMT
Subject: Re: modify the value of variables in XDB
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

In comp.sys.hp, ghsu@critical.nswc.navy.mil writes:

> 
>    The subject says exactly what I want to do.   The man page for xdb
> does have a section on "Data Viewing and Modification Commands".   But
> there is no command to modify data described there at all.   dbx has

You use the p command to modify variables, as explained in this section
of the xdb man page:

 Data Viewing and Modification Commands

   p expr            If expr does not resemble anything else (such as a
                     command), it is handled as if you had typed p expr\n
                     (print expression in normal format).  Note that
                     modification of variables is done by using the
                     assignment operator in the expression (e.g., p foo =
                     7 in C or FORTRAN , or p foo := 7 in Pascal).:

So you type p var = 100 to change var to 100.

Bob Montgomery, HP
(emailed)
From: njconway@ccvax.ucd.ie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: VUE login problem
Date: 9 Sep 92 11:26:40 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Sep8.210830.11001@morrow.stanford.edu>, lane@sumex-aim.stanford.edu (Christopher Lane) writes:
> We've an intermittent problem with logging into our HP 720's.  The VUE login
> manager accepts the password, goes to the 'copyright' screen, and then after
> a long wait, puts up a panel with the following:
> 
> ...
> I'm the 'system administrator' and I haven't a clue what's going wrong and
> the manual mentioned didn't come with the system!  The problem seems to occur
> in about 25% to 50% of the attempts to login.  It occurs on all of our systems
> and generally goes away in an hour or so.  Rebooting doesn't always help.
> We've a fairly standard configuration with user accounts being made available
> to the HP via NFS and YP/NIS and HPUX 8.05 on the internal disk.
> 
> I'd appreciate any insight into this situation,
> 
> - Christopher

Sounds like your yellow pages server is down/unreachable - we had this problem
a LOT, and everytime the NIS server wasn't visible, the machine just gave up
and hung most of the time, and certainly never allowed a console login with
windows, as VUE likes to talk to the network during login for some reason...

Solution ?  well, HPUX 8.x is a little better than 7.x in that (in my 
experience) the machine won't hang during reboot if it can't find a YP server,
but the only fix I could find to stop the machine dying regularly was to use
/etc/resolv.conf for the nameserving stuff, and do away with ypbind completely.

maybe somebody has a fix that'll let you keep on using YP stuff...

Neil
njconway@ccvax.ucd.ie
neil@nebula.ucd.ie

Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: andy@ice.stx.com (Andy Moore)
Subject: Re: monitor for HP730 HP-UX8.07
Reply-To: andy@ian.stx.com
Organization: Hughes STX, Lanham, MD
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:15:06 GMT

rexb@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Rex Backman) writes:

}You may wish to consider looking at GlancePlus/UX instead of Monitor. Monitor
}is an unsupported product while GlancePlus is a supported product. Yes, you
}would have to pay money for GlancePlus but you get a better product with
}continuing support...

Speaking of "the power of GlancePlus," we have it (bought it!) and can't use
it because it wants to go through and mount every single optical disk in our
jukebox...  Yeah, I know, call ResponseLine...  I'd rather have my teeth
drilled...  But I suppose we forfeit our right to complain since we haven't
given HP an opportunity to fix it (send us Yet Another Patch)...

But even with all that aside, I wasn't impressed with GlancePlus; just a
slightly nicer front-end.  (Yes, yes, I know it provides more accurate
information, so what?)  And what gets me most, it costs a *LOT* for the
800 series machines (even though our 730 is 10x faster than our 835)...

Actually, I've yet to find any _single_ performance monitoring tool that
sums it all up well: I use monitor, yamm, and top, each for different
strengths...

As for the bundling question, I admit I prefer how HP does it.  Bundle or
make available a minimal tool (monitor, vanilla C compiler, etc.) and then
sell separately the full-blown product (GlancePlus, C development system).
Although I think the vanilla C compiler should be ANSI, and I think monitor
should be distributed with HP-UX, not handed under the table only when
specifically asked for...  HP's disclaimers about unsupported products
are fine; I then know and accept the risks and limitations...

All my own opinion, of course; your swappage may vary...     :-)

}Rex Backman
}Performance Technology Center
}Software Technology Division
}Hewlett-Packard Co.
}Roseville, Calif. USA
}rex@hpptc16.rose.hp.com

Well, that recommendation was totally unbiased, wasn't it?   ;-)  ;-)  ;-)
______________________________________________________________________________
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 andy@ice.stx.com                      - Ren Hoek, "The Ren and Stimpy Show"
From: rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Needed - xmon for 800 series
Date: 4 Sep 92 10:56:56 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

Try our archive site, ftp.csc.liv.ac.uk [128.253.42.172]. It's available as:
/hpux/X11/xmon-1.0.tar.Z. It should compile and run on 800 series machines
without any problem (let me know if it fails).

Archive Librarian,        E-mail: ftp@csc.liv.ac.uk
Computer Science Dept.,
Liverpool University, 
Merseyside, England,
Great Britain.
From: c0033013@ws.rz.tu-bs.de (Axel Brandes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Another problem with elm (was: HP's elm loses messages)
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:19:45 GMT
Organization: TU Braunschweig, Computer Centre (NAP), Germany.


Hi Vaughan,

unfortunately I cannot discover the problem you described at our site.

But here's another amazing behaviour of elm:

  When you exit elm or change your mailbox, then elm comes up with:

  link failed! EEXIST - File exists
  Emergency Exit taken! All temp files intact.

Your Mailbox is still unaffected.

Any idea about this?
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From: heather@sdcc4.ucsd.edu (Heather Ebey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Need plot(5) to HPGL filter
Keywords: HPGL spice
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:29:08 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa

I am trying to find a filter for spice3e2 plot(5) output.
We are running spice3e2 under HP-UX 8.0 on a 300 series.
I have searched archie and have asked spice-bugs, but have
not found anything.

Tom Quarles wrote a filter which works with MT.Xinu BSD
running on an HP, but required source code for the plotter
driver, which I don't have with HP-UX.

Does anyone have any suggestions or know of such a translation
program?

Please direct replies directly to me at hebey@ucsd.edu.

Thank you.
 --Heather Ebey

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From: k@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Steve Kao)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:23:45 GMT
Subject: Re: OS/2 NDIS driver needed for HP 27245A EtherTwist
Organization: HP Roseville Networks Division
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp

I posted:
> The NDIS driver for the 27245A card is available on OS/2 v1.x.  No
> version is available for OS/2 v2.0.

The OS/2 v2.0 version driver for the 27245 card is now available.
(Management gets upset if we preannounce any products.)

- Steve Kao
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: bin@primate.wisc.edu (Brain in Neutral)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Using Imake WITHOUT the mit Source Tree
Date: 9 Sep 1992 14:43:37 -0500
Organization: Cafe Limbo
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: bin@primate.wisc.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: uakari.primate.wisc.edu

>   HP really has made me VERY VERY unhappy with their policy of not
> shipping all of the freely distributable X11 libraries and not
> shipping Imake and the config files.

At least as far as imake and the configuration files go, it's not unusual
at all for vendors to fail to ship them with their systems.  Why, I don't
know.  On machines that run X, that's like shipping a C compiler with
no libc.a.

Paul DuBois
dubois@primate.wisc.edu
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From: alindbac@aut.abb.se (Anders Lindbck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: Enormous core dumps
Summary: big probgrams leads to big trouble.
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:25:18 GMT
Organization: THHS (krfc) tlps

In article <1992Sep4.163132.22011@ctp.com> jmay@ctp.com (Jason May) writes:
>
>What kinds of problems can lead to processes crashing and leaving behind
>huge (for example, we had a 50 megabyte one this morning) core files?
>I know how to limit this with limit or ulimit, but I'd like to know
>more about the events that can cause such core dumps to occur.
>
>Thanks for your help,
>-Jason (jmay@ctp.com)

Once I had a core dump of over 70M ! The disc was full to 100%.

The problem was that I allocated some memory and then continued to do
so in absurdum. Since the allocated memory also is part of the code dump
the core file will be very big if you allocate to much memeory...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
From: mccoy@cs.iastate.edu (Chris McCoy)
Subject: Re: promiscuous mode for network
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:25:20 GMT

cyrus@su.com (W. Tait Cyrus) writes:

>Does anyone know if HP-UX (A.08.07 A 9000/730) allows placing the
>network controller into promiscuous mode enabling 'root' to grab
>packets off the of network?  If so, any pointers would be greately
>appreciated.

>Thanks in advance

I've not been able to find this in the manuals either, but in
"<sys/netio.h>" there is a definition for ENABLE_PROMISCUOUS
for use with NETCTRL.  The real question I have is, has anyone
written any software (for HP-UX) that performs the same type 
functions as Sun's "etherfind"?  Etherfind has been invaluable
to our operation.
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From: ash@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Art Harkin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp
Subject: Re: Domain Name Resolution on a 720
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:06:54 GMT
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA

/ hpindda:comp.sys.hp / bamboroughp@logica.co.uk /  2:43 pm  Sep  7, 1992 /
> Forgive my ignorance .... 
> 
> How do I set up my 720 to resolve a domain name from the local /etc/hosts file
> first then goto the resolver defined in resolv.conf or got to the /etc/hosts
> file if the resolver failed to look up the domain name from the resolver
> defined in resolv.conf ????

   Currently, if you have resolv.conf configured on your host it will only
use DNS, unless it is able to reach each of the nameservers listed in the
file and each of them responds that no nameserver is running on their port.
At that point it will then try NIS (if configured) or /etc/hosts. It is
best to run a nameserver on every logical sub-net, for both performance
and consistent reachabilitiy... even a caching server on a subnet is better
than nothing. 

    -Art Harkin
     Hewlett-Packard
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From: abao@sunwise (Angela Bao)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.wizards,comp.unix.admin,comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: /usr/mail/glenr.lock not creatable after 10 tries
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:16:42 GMT
Reply-To: abao@sunwise.hac.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

glenr@aruba.UUCP (Glen Reesor) writes:

: mail: /usr/mail/glenr.lock not creatable after 10 tries
: 550 <glenr@onyx>... Can't create output
: 

I have a similar problem.   I have several HP 720 running 8.07 mounting
a Sun 4/470's /var/spool/mail as /usr/mail.    This SUN is also the 
NIS server for all these machines.    Mail worked fine for months.
The problem started occuring recently.   From time to time, I will get the
"lock not creatable after 10 tries" message during login, as root or as a
regular user.   The problem is INCONSISTENT.   Sometimes it happens only as
a normal user, sometimes only on certain machines.   Even worse, sometimes 
the login will completely hang.  Yet I can start another login session with no
problem and 'ps' indicates the hung login was at 'mail -e'.  I also notice
that the lock file is created with no permission bits set.

Anyone have any ideas?   I saw someone posted suggestions to replace 
/bin/mail.   But what is the cause of this mysterious problem?


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp,comp.sys.dec,comp.os.vms
From: cja@chmist.zso.dec.com (Carl J. Appellof)
Subject: Re: Allowing DecServer terminals to use HP9000's
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:09:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.075214.1@ttd.teradyne.com> rice@ttd.teradyne.com writes:

>   What we did was to change out all of the DecServers to Emulex Performance
>   4000s which talk both LAT and TC-PIP. Then from the server, the users can
>   Telnet into the Unix machines, and still connect to the VAXs using LAT.
>
>   Xyplex also makes a server that will do that.

DEC also makes servers that will do that.  DECserver 300, DECserver
700, I believe.  It's been a while since I worked on the terminal
servers.
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