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From: lof@halcyon.com (Jim Stuckey)
Subject: Re: Violence Erupts! Game Starting!! 
Organization: The LOF Bureau of Nostalgia
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:23:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.005941.12212@cs.UAlberta.CA> beck@cs.UAlberta.CA (Bob Beck) writes:
>	Well, Redline, Dorsai, all those looking for a plain old
>vanilla game, you got it..  Code is regular Merc 2.0 (see version
>below) 20 - 30 sector start islands on a 64x64 world, room for 28
>countries with little free land (Violence! ]8->). 
>

	VANILLA? *MERC* code VANILLA? Oh please... "If it's got BMAP, 
send it back"

I still have some of the maps from the (well, maybe not so) old days. 
Remember when keeping *good* maps was a necessity? :-)


If I could get the damn code to compile on this machine, I'd run a FOR REAL
game. 4/16, straight BSD code. Not that anyone would have time to play. :->

Seems to me that's the problem these days. All these new kids playing the game
don't have the work ethic a lot of the old timers had. Hell I remember back
in '88 and 89 (when I first started playing) having to beat 'ol Mithrilien
over the head to get him to go to perkins or something

"Not now Jim, the fucking update's happening and I'm being attacked!!"

Nowadays, it's "Oh, I[ve gotta log in for 10 minutes, do my dumps, run
my execs, and then we can go" Everything is encapsulated, hurry up,
gotta go! rush rush rush. 

It's all GEET's fault. That and all those sorry ass clients that do everything 
for you but wipe your ass on the way out of the crapper. 

As (I believe) Dorsai once put it "Real men don't use tools"

WHat's next? An MS-Windoze client? I'm surprised it hasn't been written yet.
You could even have those cutsie little sound effects if you've got a 
sound card! Munch some fodder? Hey, let's play some "Fodder Fodder Baby"!
(And someone ask Mith. who *really* wrote that :-)))

Argh. 

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From: tbrown@cco.caltech.edu (Tyrome Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: xemp & planes
Date: 27 Jan 1993 02:11:06 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: globie.caltech.edu
Keywords: empire


Can somoeone help me with xemp? I've used it for production and ships, but
planes commands do not function.

Any help would be appreciated.

tyrome
From: joltman@raisin-nut.ai.mit.edu (T. Andy Frakes)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: -= DEPERATLY SEEKING NEW GAME!!!! =-
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:06:58 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: raisin-nut.ai.mit.edu
Keywords: game empire new

In article <38329@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, kb@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Ken Bukauski) writes:
|> And I ask again...Is empire dead?  Hell, I'd run a game myself if I could
|> figure out how to set one up.  All I know is how to tear a country down,
|> unfortunately that is not a big ticket resume item :(
|> 
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|>   _Made_in_Redline_     For sale, one Merc V Rudedog Award.
|>                         Good as new. Will accept best offer, maybe.
|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Maybe you couldn't put it on your resume, but you could use it to go into
business for yourself.  The demolition and construction businesses come to mind.

Ultima, Inc.   Low cost paving.  "We do all the work while you sit on the front
lawn and wait for the fireworks to begin."  Parking lots, our specialty.

A game of old-timers was mentioned.  How about a 1989 Washington Commemorative
Game with all the old country names and as many of the old countries as possible?
The newbie fill-ins can pick from such fine names as Abbarat, Green Machine,
Gorgon (aka Crazy Gorgy), and Bob's Domain (if we could only dig up the REAL
U.S. of Madison...).  And we could take out some of the commands like dump so
that no on could use big fancy tools since they weren't really around back then.
(Good idea, by the way, Mark.  Even though the nerds will eventually be able to
get around it, it'll work in the short run.)  And we can have four updates per
day like the original game [WRONG!].  People could be assigned names according
to their skill level and whether or not they are techie types.  I think Rob would
be perfect for Zenith (no offense to Zenith).

Unfortunately, too many of us (myself included) are too strapped for time for
such an endeavor.  I'm pretty sure I won't be able to play for at LEAST a few
months (if ever).  A nice thought, though.

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From: loney@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Patrick Loney)
Subject: EE IV
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: :The state of being organized
Date: 25 Jan 1993 08:49 EST  

     Okay, things are going quite well.  Hours restrictions of European Empire
are being enforced today.  You can still attempt to connect and check out
your passwords.  I suggest you do that.  The game will come up at midnight
(okay, 0:01) Tuesday morning.  The first update is at 18:00 (ie 6:00 PM) EST.
After that, all updates will be at 6:00 and 18:00 EST (ie 6 AM and 6 PM).
Again, there will be no weekend play.  The host is 128.156.1.75 and the port
is 6104.  I still have 5 countries left if anybody is interested.  They are
Anatolia, Libya, Petrozovadsk, Poland, and Russia.  Drop me a line if you
would like one of them.  Other than that, I shall see the other 60 of you at
break time!!

Pat Loney
A.K.A. Overlord
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From: jkosone1@lesti.hut.fi (Jussi T Kosonen)
Subject: EIF,tcemp help!!
Summary: help to compile!
Reply-To: jkosone1@lesti.hut.fi (Jussi T Kosonen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:55:39 GMT



HELP!!!!!!

I have not managed to compile tcemp or even EIF to rs6k on AIX or HP-UX.
and I believe that somebody have managed to so!
so help me!!!

(guys on the HOF are you afraid of losing your edge???)
 ;)  (.....just trying to get noticed)
 

Jussi
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: mpearson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Matthew Pearson)
Subject: TCEMP, CLIENTS, ETC. WANTED..
Keywords: tcemp clinets empire
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:49:01 GMT

Alright.. I am looking for a GOOD client.. even a custom one..

TCEMP I can find -compiled- for the Sun.. but no source to make it run
on ULTRIX..

Does ANYONE have ANY ideas?

Also I need auto-expand! ug...

Thanks all..

Matt

The King of the Fodder!
   -= MACROSS =-



Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: bitn@quads.uchicago.edu (nathan elery bitner)
Subject: More Fodder Reporting for Duty!!t
Reply-To: bitn@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:29:26 GMT

In article <1jlkbfINNdmn@gemini.ksu.ksu.edu> camelsho@gemini.ksu.ksu.edu (   James A Seymour) writes:
>In article <#fj342_@rpi.edu> mcgead@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Darren McGeary) writes:
>>>>In article <1993Jan19.000103.18410@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, mpearson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Matthew Pearson) writes:
>>>>|> ...
>>>>|> Macross
>>>>|> (Matt Pearson)
>>Darren McGeary
>>Soxland
>
>Hmmmmmmm, with the possible exception of the Evil_Empire, people
>seem to be crawling out of the woodwork.
>
>ANy chance of replaying one of the early games? (ok, relatively
>early)
>
>Yeah, thats it......Get as many of the original players back as
>possible and fill in the rest with substitutes from the net.
>
>Oh, and you would just HAVE to have the same deity, too.
>(Hah, thought I was gonna run a game for you?  No such luck 
>at this juncture.)
>
>james seymour/camel/camelsho@matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Well, I don't claim to be HoF fodder or anything, but I've been run
over by Revelpebble and erased by Guzzer among a few other less than
sensational performances.  Does that count?? :)

*-Nathan-*
Croatia (the *first* Croatia, as far as I know ... :)

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From: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu (Matthew DeLuca)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: TCEMP, CLIENTS, ETC. WANTED..
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:28:47 -0500
Organization: The Dorsai Grey Captains
NNTP-Posting-Host: oit.gatech.edu
Keywords: tcemp clinets empire

In article <1993Jan22.214901.841@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> mpearson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Matthew Pearson) writes:

>Alright.. I am looking for a GOOD client.. even a custom one..

Won't help.    

:-)
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Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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Internet: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu
From: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu (Matthew DeLuca)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: More Fodder Reporting for Duty!! (First KILL)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 16:34:14 -0500
Organization: The Dorsai Grey Captains
NNTP-Posting-Host: oit.gatech.edu

In article <C1EwIq.E8C@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> cashman@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Geoff Cashman) writes:

>Yeah, I do.  It was in 1988, and the country was Dankar.  It was someone from
>GaTech, who apparently never played again after that or changed their name and
>never told anyone else.  

Yep, that was his last game; you scared him off. :)
-- 
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Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: cashman@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Geoff Cashman)
Subject: Re: Hail, Hell, The Gangs All Here
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:17:43 GMT

In article <1jlkbfINNdmn@gemini.ksu.ksu.edu> camelsho@gemini.ksu.ksu.edu (   James A Seymour) writes:
>Hmmmmmmm, with the possible exception of the Evil_Empire, people
>seem to be crawling out of the woodwork.

We're always here...always watching  you...

>ANy chance of replaying one of the early games? (ok, relatively
>early)

Not really.  Many people have tried to run games that harked back to
days of yore when 500 Fighter 1's filled the air and the drugs were
cheap.  

I am personally glad that I was a part of those times.  Some of the best
players of Empire ever came up through the ranks during those times.  What
made those times stand out so much was not the playing skill of the players,
but our writings of the times.  Few wars are truely remembered beyond the 
players involved.  Many announcements are enshrined forever.

>Yeah, thats it......Get as many of the original players back as
>possible and fill in the rest with substitutes from the net.
>
>Oh, and you would just HAVE to have the same deity, too.
>(Hah, thought I was gonna run a game for you?  No such luck 
>at this juncture.)

Well, the deity maybe. THE machine at Harvard, went to Mr. Kovar, where
it became eclectic.com...then it faded away. 

-----
Too many countries these days change their names every game.  If you want
fame and fortune you've got to stick with one country name.   Oh, and write
like hell with style and skill.

Also, don't ever assume that just because one of the "ancients" is playing
for the first time in a while that you can kick their butt.  We may be
old and a bit rusty, but we've got more tricks up our sleeve than a six
foot centipede has room for.  We just haven't used alot of them in a while.
Most of us have written more tools than your Uncle Arvin has in his basement,
and have written and taught more to other people than your average university.
We also generally type 80-100 words/minute, because most of us do computers
for a living.

			- Geoff Cashman
			  Mithrilien


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From: loney@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Patrick Loney)
Subject: Re: EE IV Country Postings
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: :The state of being organized
Date: 26 Jan 1993 09:29 EST  

In article <C1CBov.LLw@athena.cs.uga.edu>, peiper@athena.cs.uga.edu (Garfield) writes...
> 
>	I am not sure about this But I think the machine it runs on is down
>at certain times. Possibly Sats, and maybe Fri or Sun?? Anyone knmow for
>sure??
>			
>			Richard
> 
Usually about one or two wednesdays a month the machine is down from about
7:30 AM EST or so for 30 - 45 minutes for "software maintainance".  Right
now the game is up.  I "fixed" the break command.  Seeing as how I broke
it, I knew what was wrong.  Anyway, I moved the first update back to 6:00
AM EST wednesday morning to give every one a chance to break.

Pat
From: tbrown@cco.caltech.edu (Tyrome Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: .......... I'm Back ......... and this time its personal...
Date: 21 Jan 1993 22:53:41 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: mudbalt.caltech.edu

mpearson--aka Macross, "real Cannon Fodder" writes:
>One of those times I had a 65 sector country!!!! only with help from
>some others did I get nukes... and I CREAMED that pesky texas fleet and
>harbor BEFORE Dorsai and Revelstone wiped me out!!! so THERE!!!

that small TEXAS eliminated your air force (if you had one?) and had
free reign over your entire country. The Texan air force clearly showed
to the empire world your inability to properly play EMPIRE. 

Macross, let me know when you decide to play...I gladly teach you
how ;-)

btw, the next game we play, NIH will not be there to give you NUKES. Also
there was no harbor there..just a carrier!


Formerly known as Texas.
From: loney@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Patrick Loney)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: EE IV Country Postings
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:34:00 GMT
Organization: :The state of being organized
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <24JAN199308232264@acad3.alaska.edu>, fsjjp@acad3.alaska.edu (A Pair-annoyed) writes...
> 
>        No, can't say for sure, but I know my girlfriend connected
>        on friday.
> 
> 
>Stuart_Hall
>aka Co-Ruler of CTE 
>aka Corwin

Out of curiosity, how many people sent follow up mail on this little comment?
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: loney@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Patrick Loney)
Subject: EE IV, major-minor goof up
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: :The state of being organized
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:14 EST  

Never, ever, mount the data directory for your empire game on your PC
as a network drive.  Put simply, I trashed the /data directory.  It's all
been completely restored so don't worry.  Unless you changed your password
last week.  So just go back to your original password.  Thanks a lot.
(BTW 3 countries still left, we break at midnight tonight)

Pat Loney
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: umzach18@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Robert Zacharias)
Subject: Re: TYRO II - Registration
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:22:20 GMT


Hello again.  *sigh*  I knew I would forget some bit of info in my
previous post.  What I forgot to give was the game address, well
here it is:

 Host:	keyes.cc.umanitoba.ca 
 Port:  7777


I've already received 9 responses so things are filling up quickly. Be
sure to respond promptly if you want to play.  Country name and password
are a good thing to mail me also.  :) 


Rob


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From: corey@amiganet.chi.il.us (Corey Sweeney)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: faq
Date: 24 Jan 93 10:17:19 CST
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

would someone please send me a faq?  thanks.

Also does anyone have any suggestions for compiling empire.  like shat system
should i collaim it to be for a posix machine, A system V machine, or a BSD
machine.

Corey

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corey@amiganet.chi.il.us
I do not own a amiga!
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: aa339@Freenet.carleton.ca (Etienne Tasse)
Subject: Wanted: Amiga Empire 2.25 client for MeSsyDOS
Reply-To: aa339@Freenet.carleton.ca (Etienne Tasse)
Organization: The National Capital Freenet
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:42:59 GMT


Looking for an Empire client/front-end on MS-DOS to play on AmigaEmpire
v2.25.


Requirements:

Playable on 286 with 1MB ram
Online AND/OR Dump file in - moves file out

-- 
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From: rencher@sstsun1.sst.sps.mot.com (Mark Rencher)
Subject: empire FAQ 
Organization: Strategic Systems Technology (SST)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:37:50 GMT

Please send me the empire Faqs
From: cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk (Chris Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: EMPIRE players at ICL
Date: 20 Jan 93 16:52:39 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Please ONLY ICL employees reply to this, our access to the rest of the world
is limited to MAIL and NEWS only, so only internal ICL people will be able
to connect and play.

Sorry, guys (I think its a security breach as well)    :-(

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From: loney@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (Patrick Loney)
Subject: EE IV Country Postings
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: :The state of being organized
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:58 EDT  

     Okay, here goes folks.  Look for your alias that you sent me and see
what country matches up with it.  Your password has already been set up with
that country.  The break command has been disabled so you can sign on to
check out things like connectivity and and to make sure I typed your rep
name in correctly.  The game starts at 0:01 EST on Tuesday so please don't
wait untill the last minute to see if you can get on.  I may not be available
for whatever reason if you need Deity assistance.
     Two more things.  Trading countries is legal.  Just keep me informed.
If you want to trade, post to rge.  Please don't mail me. And finally, there
are 11 spots still open.  The list is at the bottom.  If anybody is interested
in playing them, let me know, and we will get you registered.

Algeria		Doormat
Arabia		Undead
Archangle	Davey
Armenia		Worsley
Austria		Dweebsville
Belorussia	buhwheat
Bulgaria	felger
Carthage	NOGS_Inc.
Castile		Aurtur Pang
Cyrenecia	Finnagle
Czechoslovakia	Pookie
Denmark		Akira
England		Efilknikufesin (Why did you make me type so much Dave?)
Estonia		Acerak
Finland		JJS
France		Firdaus
Gaul		ZOG
Georgia		Mr_AmazingHead
Germany		LSF
Greece		namhsiri
Holland		kinswat
Hungary		The Grinch
Italy		uga
Latvia		CSI
Lithuania	Lestart
Macedonia	whomever
Mauritana	beereg
Morocco		bonehead (This was double, I mailed to ONE person changing it)
Murmansk	Razor
Narvik		Voittamaton
Nigeria		harstville
Normandy	uky
Norway		Pagodia
Novogorad	Okidokia
Phoenicia	Zippo
Portugal	Scruffy
Prussia		buffalo
Romania		Crusades
Scottland	Bricks
Serbia		Black Adder
Sevestopol	Crack Daddy
Seville		Sleepy Sam
Siberia		Saddam
Sicily		Utica
St_Petersburg	Paradise
Sweden		figard
Trondhelm	boboh
Tunisia		Tunisia
Turkey		Cravy Ivan
Ukraine		Jimmy Olsen
Uppsala		Blot-Seven
Urals		Dog
Vaaso		Odin
Volgagrad	Miles Teg
Vologda		NeXa

These are the unclaimed countries:
Anatolia
Egypt
Libya
Mali
Petrozovadsk
Poland
Russia
Spain
Switzerland
Transalvania
From: chris@ec.uwa.oz.au (Christoph Uloth)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: empire time restrictions (hors gile format).
Date: 26 Jan 1993 09:28:04 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: accfin.ecel.uwa.edu.au

I've just started running a game of empire in which I need
to restrict the access times to those outside normal working
hours.  I saw that their is the function gamehours which will
(appears) to read the file /data/hours for the info of when the
game is allowed to be played and then restricts if it is not
a valid time.

Can someone please tell me what is the correct format of
this file

please email me as I dont read this group.

chris@ecel.uwa.edu.au


thanks in adnance
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email: chris@ecel.uwa.edu.au                                    :-)
From: sn@plato.chemietechnik.uni-dortmund.de (sn)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Re: Wanted: Amiga Empire 2.25 client for MeSsyDOS
Date: 26 Jan 1993 10:01:36 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Dortmund FB Chemietechnik 
NNTP-Posting-Host: plato.chemietechnik.uni-dortmund.de

aa339@Freenet.carleton.ca (Etienne Tasse) writes:


>Looking for an Empire client/front-end on MS-DOS to play on AmigaEmpire
>v2.25.


>Requirements:

>Playable on 286 with 1MB ram
>Online AND/OR Dump file in - moves file out

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We have an Empire game at a local BBS in Bochum, Germany running
Amiga Empire v2.3w.
A local player has written a pretty nice GUI running under Windows 3.x
for Amiga Empire. If you are interested, tell me and I'll get it on
some ftp server.

We are still looking for some players (it's only a dial-in) so if you are
located in Germany, EMail me for more info.

Another player has also written an *excellent* GUI for the Amiga... Anyone
interested?

If you are participating in an Amiga Empire game, please EMail me too.
(I don't care where you are :)

-Sven
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
From: ccastks@prism.gatech.EDU (Kevin Stallard)
Newsgroups: rec.games.empire
Subject: Test game
Keywords: Only a test
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:55:25 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I will be starting a test game tomorrow at 3:00 PM.
Countries 1-31 reps 1-31
Host: tantalus.gatech.edu
port: 1313

The game parameters will be just like the real game (updates and such)

I am using chainsaw code on an AIX machine, so I need to put this through
the ringer.  If you think you can break the game, go for it.

Test players will have first crack at the real game to follow.
(no fancy mods, just good 'ol fashioned empire.  1 update/day)

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