HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: H.Wang@bradford.ac.uk (H WANG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Moving frequencies
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:02:12 GMT
Organization: University of Bradford, UK
Originator: 90908648@ccw406



In article <PWU.92Nov20005548@blackjack.ai.mit.edu> 
pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) wondered:

>when a country gets older, its people tend to stay at 
>places longer?

When a country gets older, its people tend to be more 
and more dissatisfied. Remember Richard Stallman, a
former staff member of your Lab? He said:

   I cannot in good conscience sign a nondisclosure 
   agreement or a software license agreement.  For 
   years I worked within the Artificial Intelligence
   Lab to resist such tendencies and other inhospitalities, 
   but eventually they had gone too far: I could not 
   remain in an institution where such things are 
   done for me against my will.

   So that I can continue to use computers without 
   dishonor, I have decided to put together a sufficient 
   body of free software so that I will be able to
   get along without any software that is not free.  
   I have resigned from the AI lab to deny MIT any 
   legal excuse to prevent me from giving GNU away.

I am interested in GNU, yet the personality of Richard 
Stallman seems to be more interesting. Now that you 
work in the same Lab he once worked, is there any comment 
on him from inside the Lab? Could such a person be tolerated
by such a commercialized society in US? Is he born to
be a communist (Gong4 Chan3 Dang3 literally :-)?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: honglin@apmaths.uwo.ca (HONGLIN YE)
Subject: To Dxp Jr. only
Organization: Applied Mathematics, U.W.O
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:36:03 GMT



 Hi, boy, 

    How did you do that?
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30818 soc.culture.taiwan:15464 soc.culture.hongkong:14637
From: hqchen@uwovax.uwo.ca
Subject: Wanted: cheap air fair  Toronto -> Shanghai
Organization: University of Western Ont, London
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:31:18 GMT

Hi, there.

The mother in-law of a friend of mine will go back to
Shanghai from Toronto in December.  Does anyone out
there know where/how to get a cheaper air fair?

Thanks.

Haiqi



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: big lie
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: soc
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:42:55 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.4298.38657@dosgate> "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com> writes:
>The following is copied from 1990 Time Almanac  without permission
>
>Copyright Time Inc. Magazine Company
>
>CHINA
>Deng's Big Lie
>The hard-liners rewrite history to justify arrests and bury
>democracy
>By Jill Smolowe
All started from one thing: the card, the deadly card!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu)
Subject: Re: Chinese Movies/Videos Are Garbages
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:38:03 GMT

In article <1ebkfiINNgqd@csgo.usc.edu> gangz@csgo.usc.edu (Gang Zhou) writes:
>In article <92321.215727U21885@uicvm.uic.edu> Zhong Hau <U21885@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>  How about videos : The Story at The Editorial Board
>>                   : Ke3 Wan4  (Yearning )
>>                   : Wei2 Chen2  (Besieged city)
>>
>
>All garbages.
>Even worse than the soap opera garbages like "Dallas", etc.
>
>
>
>
>


Don't be so tough, boy.
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Political Prostitutes or Democractic Activitists  ?
Date: 20 Nov 92 05:25:44 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Nov20.031407.21695@marlin.jcu.edu.au> phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng) writes:
>(deleted)
>We can only determine whether or not we are hurt by CMFN, but we can not
>determine whether or not people in China are hurt by that.  But at least, based 
>on my judgement and interest, those so-called democratic activitists, who
>promote CMFN, are political prostitutes.   What I am doing here is to
>raise the question and let everyone, who is interested in, make his own
>judgement.

I suggest not to use the words such as "political prostitutes". Such words
can't help mutual understanding at all, nor make your points more clear.

There are two levels in CMFN debating, by my judgement. One is at the
level of moral standard. Questions such as "whether we should forget the
human rights of people in China?", "whether one can gample by risking
other's interest?", etc., are at the level of moral standard.

For most of us, it is clear that we all hope Chinese people may have a
better life in both economy and human rights. Only on this common ground,
any debating and possible cooperation make sense.

On this common ground, the debatng is at the second level: practical.

IFCSS GaoGans recently showed some real concerns about the possibility
that CMFN yields losing MFN. Thus in advocating CMFN, they showed more
prudence than before, for example, they haven't joined Toycotters to pressure
for CMFN bill yet (as far as I know). I applaud their concerns and their
responsibility. However, what they told the State Department today was
too vague:

>The IFCSS officers pointed out that it has been the official stand of
>the organization to attach well-measured human rights conditions to
>China's MFN status.

What is definition of "well-measured"? Without clear definition, these
words can be easily interpreted as unconditional support to CMFN. I hope
these vague words really mean that "HR conditions which will NOT result
in finally revoking MFN". If so, I think IFCSS should speak it out very
clearly.

I suggest a compromise between concerned UCMFN and CMFN'ers:

1) Push China to release more 6-4 related prisoners; IFCSS should send
a few GaoGans to China for this purpose, not for propoganda only.

2) GaoGan JH Li told us, there will be a CMFN bill, no matter we CSS
take what stands. I doubt this, but let us accept this as a compromise:
No Chinese should push for a CMFN bill this year without knowing what
will be the final version. And we all stop debating.

3) If nonetheless, a CMFN bill is proposed, we all support IFCSS to
lobby for making the conditions "well measured" as defined above.

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From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: FAKE e-mail address, no time to file complaint
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:28:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.2B0AA770.18969
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.

Some people have been faking my e-mail address for a while.  Technically,
I could do the same thing, but I do NOT like the idea.  Since they do it
again and again, I do not have time to file complaint to their postmasters.

shannon
-------


xtian@cs1.bradley.edu (Xiaoling Tian) wrote: 

Subject: Re: Shannon Yeh Project, Please READ !!
Organization: Bradley University
			~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

+In <BxvMp7.9MI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> root@netix.com (root@netix.com) writes:
		~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
		what's happening?
+
+
+>Apologies from the Shannon Project, Super Computing Center of UCI.
+>Dear netters,
+
+>This apology is especially from those who read soc.culture.china.
+
+>A few weeks ago, yeh@netix.com (Mr. Shannon Yeh) posted an 
+>extremely inappropriate message on the above mentioned newsnet.
+>A few points below will explain the incident, we hope:
+
+>1). Shannon is non-human.  It is the subject of our top research, code 
+>named shannon.compunaut.ai.uci.   Basically Shannon is a virtual 
+>Chinese able to communicate in English or Chinese, based 
+>superficailly on ELISA-like principles, but really much more 
+>advanced.  It can read both language and understands the true 
+>meaning through extensive parsing.
+
+It is a joke made by Mr.Shannon Yeh. Also it can see he is system               administrator of machine netix.com so he can use root account and also
+he can create an account with any name in this machine.

	Did you notice that "yeh@netix.com" was faked by someone at uiuc.edu?

+
+>2). However, due to our negligence, the mentality programmed into 
+>Shannon was no longer a Chinese, instead, by mistake, we 
+>programmed the hybrid mentality of an anonymous Chinese and that
+> of a subset of David Duke.  It therefore had immense hatred toward 
+>any foreign residents, including those of Chinese origin.
+
+If your UIUC can programme out so smart project I think your school can
+get next Nobel Prize in AI.
+
+
+
+>Supervisor,
+
+>the Shannon project.
+>    -------
+>Netix Communication, Inc.   
+
+Don't fooled by the sham root or supervisor. He is only a superuser in his
+machine netix.com maybe not at all. Do you all still rember we seen Deng
+Xiaoping in SCC before ? They abuse their computers.

	You are right, but you are fooled *already* by the true sender of 
	the per quoted message.
From: ding@eng.auburn.edu (Z. Ding)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Status of 3d preference
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:09:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov15.160930.25473
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auburn University Engineering

In article <92318.171303JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu> <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Could anyone explain this: if a university professor applies for permanent
>residence, does s/he belong to the 2d or the 3d preference?
>Luo.

I believe this depends on the experience of this professor. I think to qualify for 2nd you
need to have at least 3 years of teaching and post-dog (:-) experience. Otherwise you go
straight to 3rd. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hans@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Song Han)
Subject: looking for Zhang Yibing, Liu Yunbo, Ms.Tian Yanfrom Tsinghua
Originator: hans@secfs
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:00:55 GMT


 Pls send me their addresses if you know these persons. 
 Ms.Tian was in Class'80 of dept of Computer, probably came here 
 in 1988 after her gradustion from Tsinghua Graduate School.

 Zhang Yibing and Liu Yunbo were Civil Engineerng Class'78 students.

 I am willing to contact these friends

  
Thank you.

- Han Song
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: What the HK governor is doing? Why?
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Distribution: na  
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:07:14 GMT

In article <1ejgu8INNlvu@crcnis1.unl.edu> stevew@helios.unl.edu (Steve Wu) writes:
>Lian Zheng <LZHENG@ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>
>> 
>>The British is near the end of the control over HK.   Onething they want to do
>>most is to transfer as much wealth from HK to Britain as they can.  Apparently,
>>CHINESE GOVERMENT IS BLOCKING THE WAY, that bothers British goverment.
>>   Look at the example of the new airport project,  the British wants to 
>>put *ALL* of HK's reserve into it ($100 Billions).  The project will be mainly
>>contracted to British companies.  The $100 Billions could be a really, really 
>>big plus for the declining British economy.   But Chinese Goverment knows it,
>>and is firmly against it.  Chinese goverment has repeatedly warned the 
>>British goverment that it will refuse to honor any contrct on which 
>>it has not been consulted with after 1997.  
>
>  About the airport issue, althought British government wants to take
>advantage over it, the fact is, it also benifits HK. After the 1997,
>God knows where those $10-billion (by the way, HK reserve is about
>$10 billion only) reserve will go, I double if Chinese government
>would leave this money to HK.
>
I really doubt this, I thought everyone is worried that after 97,
the airport project(presumbly like every big fat government contract
if every country) will cost much more money then originally planned,
and used up all the reserve funds, and leave no money to support
Hong Kong & its currency.  I doubt the Chinese govenment as a whole
wants to pocket that money(although same thing cannot be said about
some greedy officials make off with some pocket change), after all,
they want to make money in Hong Kong too, so why destory it by taking 
away its currency reserves?  The problem is China  and to make money 
in Hong KOng, and is very unwilling to pick up the Brits bar tab
after 97(lookk like patten intend to "party all night, drinks on me" 
until June 30, 1997 :D), or had to pump money to in to support Hong Kong 
Dollar after that.  

>  As a HK citizen, I would rather have something like an airport
>which is necessary in fact that actully belong to HK then have $10
>billion which may be taken away by the Chinese Government. I guess the
>Chinese government is the one which cannot be trusted, at least not
>now. 
>
[......] 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: anw1@cec1.wustl.edu (Aaron Wong)
Subject: Re: PRC wants to abrogate Joint Declaration on HK
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:03:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.175810.1475@tamsun.tamu.edu> x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:

>I fully sympathasize with what the HK people feel. But to mainly blame
>CCP, in my opinion, is showing that you have right played into the
>British hands. The real reason behind this disputes is to get a bigger
>share of the HK's dollars. The British uses this universally popular
>word "Democritization" as a main bargaining chip. I also want to see
>more democracy. What is odd is the timing of the British intentions
>to democritize KH. Why do they pop this thing up only after the new
>airport talks break down? What have they been doing in the past 100
>years? And more recently, when they are discussing the turnover of
>HK with CCP? You have to question the true reason of the British.
>They want to get as much money out of HK and create as much debt
>for the future HK government as possible. So don't be tricked by
>the smiling British. They could be worse-meaning than the grim-looking
>CCP. Because it's in CCP 's interest not to mess up HK's financies.
>After all, the British are leaving and its the CCP that inherits 
>whatever the British might leave behind.
>Simply put, its money that is the true reason.
>

That's a very interesting arguement. I admit that I have never thought
of it that way. But even so, CCP's current hysteria is unjustified.

First, no matter what UK's motives are, democracy is only going to be useful
to HK in the future as some sort of a safeguard against CCP's capricity. 
They might have the intention to keep HK the way it is now, but their policy 
changes all the time. We don't want to rely on them for consistancy.

For the airport: come on, look at Chicago O'Hare, Tokyo Narita, Singapore 
Changi, New York JFK, London Heathrow, Paris CDG.... none of these are
smaller than 5 times of KaiTak. HK, as one of the most important cities in
the world, has nothing but an airport that works only 18 hours a day with 
only ONE runway!? That's dispicable! :>  We need and deserve a world-class
airport. HK has a healthy economy and we can handle some debt once in a while.
Hong Kong is not USA. We don't have a congress with a gridlock. We love
efficiency. Hong Kong will be more than fine as soon as CCP just leave us 
alone.

CCP is blatantly ignoring HK's wishes. They had, more than once, say that
democratization is against popular wishes, contrary to all the polls.
I am not embracing UK as some sort of saviour or what not, but at least 
Chris Patten is moving in the right direction. UK may have some other
motives, perhaps that's the price for the insurance policy 
against CCP.

NGOK
From: color93@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Need help for reading HXWZ on VAX
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:50:57 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

	I need help for reading HXWZ in vax system.  I M a newcomer, I
	would highly appreciate any help.
From: lix@thames.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: FAKE e-mail address and other inappropriate use of usenet
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:10:11 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <2B0B50F9.25692@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
<(deleted)
<As an FYI, a Chinese student at "cmu.edu" (Carnegie Melon Univ) tried
<to jam my network, and their university network director had to shutdown
<the entire departmental network from where that Chinese student "created"
<the data traffic.  What a terrible thing--the beautiful ideas of distributed

Congratulation for your success in Gao Yang Zhuang. But I see no reason for
emphasizing the word Chinese three times in this paragraph. Chinese are not
very special for such activities, are we? How about to change them to "a netter",
"that netter", and "those netters".

<systems have been abused by those Chinese students for non-productive use.
<(deleted)


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The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cbnewsg@cbnewsg.att.com
Subject: test
Originator: cbnewsg@cbnewsg.cb.att.com
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:24:36 GMT

test only
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hua@engin.umich.edu (CHONGYU HUA)
Subject: Re: good good study, day day up
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 15:42:28 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa


   

-------------------
Here is a real one:  
-------------------

An American friend of mine went to China last year.
In the Summer Palace in Beijing, he met a very nice
Chinese guy and they talked a while.  Here's part of
their dialog I was told:

"Do you come to the Summer Palace quite often ?"
"Oh, yes. I come here almost every day."
"How come ?"
"By Bus."
From: ~~{5K~~}@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov (~~{5K6,F=~~})
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shannon Yeh Project, Please READ !!
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:35:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: ~~{W<9bKYVX@kWS6TW2;z~~}(Au+79)-> Little BIG BANG <-(Au+79)

>>>>> In article <BxvMp7.9MI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>>>>> "Fly" == root@netix.com  <root@netix.com> writes:

  Fly> Apologies from the Shannon Project, Super Computing Center of UCI.
  Fly> Dear netters,

  Fly> This apology is especially from those who read soc.culture.china.

....

Hi fly, don't spoil the rotten meat further, you are generating another gush
of %%%%&***%$(^%$@@$% from the rotten meat! 

--

~~{5K6,F=~~} 

~~{5K~~}@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: echeng@phys.psu.edu (Eddie Cheng)
Subject: CMFN and abortion right
Organization: Penn State, Department of Physics
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:03:26 GMT


		CMFN and abortion right
			------- the politics of bluffing

	Abortion right has not been a hot issue in American politics
until the feminism movement achieved the "Roe vs. Wade" in the 70s.  
Although the moral conservatives and religious forces had been tough 
on abortion issue before that, most mainstream politicians did not 
care and were not so bothered by it.

	Not until "Roe vs. Wade" secured the abortion right.

	And it happened about the same time the Republican party was
in deep trouble following the Watergate scandel and a Democratic 
party domination appearing on the horizon.  Republicans were in a 
desperate mode to find a course uniting their fragmented pieces 
and dividing the opponents.  Hence came the resurgence of religeous 
right-wing, the birth of "Moral Majority", and the conspiracy of 
abortion right issue.

	The stratege of using abortion right issue is based on the 
politics of bluffing.  It works with the existing situation that 
abortion right is legally secured but vulnerable to moral attacks.  
Under such circumstance, politicians can safely waving the "pro-life" 
flags and condemning abortion rights without bearing the risk to 
live up to its consequence.  (This is reflected by the "blobber" 
VP Quayle had when asked about his own daughter's hypothetical 
abortion decision.)

	It worked dramatically for a decade or so.  It reboosted the
moral of the Republican party and successfully splitted Democrats 
and their supporters with its seemingly tremendous moral power.  
Suddenly abortion became a default question for each and every 
politican or even public figure who dares to seek any position or 
influence.  It is a sword that can only hurt the opponent but not 
oneself.

	However, with its bluffing nature, it backfired when it 
approaches its edge of succedding.  After 12 years of Republican 
rule and consistent conservative Supreme Court appointees, "Roe vs. 
Wade" came under serious risk this year.  Anti-abortion right can 
no longer be a bluffing, but a realistic possibility.  If Roe is 
to be overturned, Quayle would have lost his escape clause to answer 
the hypothetical question.

	Under this new circumstance, Democratics are reunited (and 
silented their own faction like Governor Casey) and Republicans and
their supporters become deeply splitted.  Moral slogans have now to 
give way to reality check.  Right now, Republican right wing is 
meeting in DC while moderate Republican governors are meeting in 
Wisconsin.  A war between the two over the abortion issue is immenient.

				****		****		****

	China's CMFN is a similar conspiracy of bluffing politics.  
It could work only when everyone knows that it would not become a 
reality.  In fact, it worked very well against both CG and Bush with
Bush's assured veto.  After three years of bluffing, however, it is 
now also reaching its moment of truth.



	 Eddie
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.asian.american
From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Subject: CQ in Chinese?
Reply-To: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:08:21 GMT

I'm wondering if there's any Radio Amateurs (hams) in this group who knows
Chinese.  I'm a licensed General Class Radio Amateur but only operated in
English.  I would like to talk to Radio Amateurs in China, Taiwan, HongKong,
and Marcoa (?) with my radio.  The problem is that I don't know how to make 
an acceptable CQ call (request for contact).  Do I say:  ``CQ CQ CQ China,
This is KB2LHA in New York.  Over.''  in English?  I don't think they need 
to know English to get their licenses tho.  

I would greatly appreciate any help.
If you know how to CQ in Chinese or have information about the condition of
ham radio in China proper, please e-mail me at 
hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu

Tnx fer ur time es 73,
--
Harry Xu (KB2LHA)	"Hell has no terrors for pagans."  --Arthur Rimbaud
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong