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From: br042@cleveland.freenet.edu
Subject: Re: Following Sedar tradition (enough!!)
Organization: Migdal Torah - The Jewish Learning Center
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 00:54:30 -0400


In article <9204051607.AA16165@itexjct.jct.ac.il> warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:

>Orach Chaim 473:3 permits drinking more than four cups of wine but not
>between the first and second, so that one will not get drunk and miss
>the rest of the Seder.  For those who want to do this, consult the
>Biur Halacha, but the interesting thing is that the Mishnah Brura says
>(note 16) that this only applies to wine or other intoxicating
>beverages, but one may drink other beverages.

However for the same reason, one should also not drink anything that could
be used for the four cups (i.e. Chamar Medinah) e.g. Juice, Milk,
(pop?)etc. See GR'Z 473:13


Avrohom Mordechai

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From: bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor)
Subject: Question to Miracle Analysts
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:51:19 GMT

I have a question for competent miracle analysts:

	Do you consider Arafat's plane crash a miracle ? I mean the
fact that only he survived and all the other died. Is it a sign from
G-d that Israel should consider negotiating peace with him ?

Just wondering.

Dov



Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (a.j.s. nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Chad Gadya
Organization: University of Toronto 
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:35:52 GMT

On the subject of Chad Gadya:

Is the Aramaic verb, "dizban" or "d'zavin"?

I have seen both in haggadot, and my Aramaic is just not good enough to tell
the difference.

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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: On Hiding one's Beliefs
Date: 14 Apr 92 09:20:18 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway

In <KRULWICH.92Apr13125812@zowie.ils.nwu.edu> krulwich@zowie.ils.nwu.edu (Bruce Krulwich) writes:

>As he has said, the pigeon thing is given in Taamei
>haMinhagim as a refuah and _not_ as a segula, so there's no vested religious
>interest in the practice.  It's simply something that works.

If it works, we have an obligation to share it with the rest of the
world.  If it doesn't work, we have an obligation to stop wasting sick
people's money and strangling those pigeons and doing things that we
would rather not discuss in public.

I'm not assuming either (that it works, or that it doesn't), but I'm
not going to assume that it does either because Taamei HaMinhagim says
that it does (even when it says that it has been "baduk", verified) or
because someone reports to have seen it work.

Why does no one else here seem to care whether it works or not?!
-- 
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From: br042@cleveland.freenet.edu
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Hagadah?
Organization: Migdal Torah - The Jewish Learning Center
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 17:35:19 -0400


In article <3818@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:

> By the way , in some Hagadot there is a mistake.
>
>on KORECH ( the Sandwich ) one should say :
>
>So deed Hillel, he put together PESACH maza and maror and eat them
>together.
>the word PESACH - the lamb , do nott appear becaue of a mistake in
>thos Hagadot.

Why be so quick to do away with a Nussach, which is Minahg Yisreol for many
Doros, with a simple wave of hand? 

See Rambam Perek 8 Chometz Umatzah 6-8.  He says that even in the time of
the Bais Hamikdash they only put together Matzah and Marror AND ATE THAT
with the Korbon Pesach.  The poskim bring that Rambam to justify our custom
of NOT saying PESACH in the zecher keHillel, and add that it is so mashmah
from the pasuk too (Al matzos U'Merorim yachluhu - what? the korbon
Pesach!).  Also the Poskim bring that even if Hillel DID eat all three
together, we should still not say Pesach, since today we DO NOT have a K.P. one
cannot say they are DOING LIKE Hillel, it would be an untruth.

Therefore the poskim bring one should NOT change the nussach that we have
today.  

The Sefardim don't ennumerate (sp) and onl ysay "like Hille" w/o specifics.

Chag Kasher V'Somayach

Avrohom Mordechai Alter
 

>Shalom     Gideon    EREZ YISRAEL
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A Couple of Questions
Summary: don't make a law that cannot be followed
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:19:02 GMT
Organization: NetNews Readers Anonymous

In article <9204151341.AA10341@robocop.NYU.EDU>, baker@ROBOCOP.NYU.EDU (Jonathan Baker) writes:

> The explanation I have heard about this is that kitniot are things which can be
> piled like "Official Jewish" grains (oats, wheat, rye, barley, spelt).  This
> includes corn, rice, peanuts, etc.  Why this includes string beans, I don't 
> know.  Why it doesn't include potatoes, which can be processed and used 
> much like flour for baking (most Passover cakes use potato starch), I don't
> know.  My guess is that potatoes can't be piled like grain, they are piled
> like rocks.8)  
> 
> Sephardim (those Jews not of Eastern European origin) do not
> follow kitniot regulations, or at least follow a different, less restrictive

I believe potatoes are allowed as a staple, for the Ashkenazim, that
could not be forbidden.  Similarly, rice was allowed for Sephardim; it
is a staple in those societies.  Our Rabbis tried very hard to avoid
imposing rules people could not follow.  This at the same time as being
careful/strict about following Halachah.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 20:24:27 EDT
From: RABBI CHARLES ARIAN <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Help with Pesach Song

This is indeed a Ladino version of Echad Mi Yodea/Who Knows One?

The words you have transcribed as "al avar" is really one word,
"alavar", which means "to praise." So the line means "to praise
G-d the Creator."

Shavua tov!
From: silvert@cs.dal.ca (Bill Silvert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: A Passover Gift (true humour)
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:17:02 GMT
Reply-To: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert)
Distribution: na
Organization: Habitat Ecology Div., Bedford Inst. of Oceanography

Here is a true story some of you may find amusing.  The new Halifax
telephone directory just appeared.  I cycled in to work early this
morning, and about ten my daughter phoned.  "Rivka, what is so important
you should call during my coffee break?"  It turns out that the phone
company made an error and listed our telephone number under the West End
Baptist church!  The telephone had been ringing all morning with wrong
numbers.  What a weekend to have the number of a church!  But I called
the phone company and the lady I spoke to immediately said that even
though it usually takes a week or two to fix a problem like that,
because it was Easter weekend she thought they had better get it
straightened out today.  And she did.  I don't think she ever realized
what a lovely Passover present it was that we didn't get church calls
all weekend!

The only sour note was later that day, when the number had been changed
and directory service was intercepting all calls, when my daughter
answered the phone for the umpteenth time only to hear, "Nu, this is the
Vest End shul already?"  She still isn't speaking to me!
-- 
William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography
P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2.  Tel. (902)426-1577
InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.dfo.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hbb@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (harlan.b.braude)
Subject: Re: Correction: Chalav Yisrael Post
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 10:50:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.073352.29958@watson.ibm.com> mer@zurich.ibm.com writes:
[...]
>                                             Also, although during the year
>excessive Chumros are frowned upon, by Chametz bePesach they are
>considered to be a GOOD THING, since Chometz is an Issur beMashehu.
[...]

In his guide for Passover, I think Rabbi Avraham Blumenkrantz (sp?) cautions
with regard to 'gebrohkts' (sp?) that one should not be excessively 'machmir',
going too far beyond the degree of the customs recorded by the sages, since
that would give the appearance of one's rejecting the 'mesorah' of the sages.

I believe he was referring to the degree to which one goes to avoid any matzo
products in one's food.
-- 
Harlan B. Braude
hbb@usl.com
From: ae@sei.cmu.edu (Arthur Evans)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Vegetarian Hagadah?
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:16:36 GMT
In-reply-to: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu's message of 5 Apr 92 18:18:21 GMT

jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones) asks about a vegetarian
Haggadah.

Try
    Haggadah for the Liberated Lamb
    Roberta Kalechofsky
    Micah Publications/255 Humphrey St/Marblehead MA  01945
    ISBN-0-916288-19-6
The book has a 10 page introduction justifying a vegetarian seder.
Micah publishes other books of interest to Jewish vegetarians; you might
ask for their list.

Related is
    No Cholesterol Passover Recipes
    Debra Wasserman and Charles Stahler
    Baltimore Vegetarians/PO Box 1463/Baltimore MD  21203
    ISBN 0-931411-03-3
Since their recipes contain no cholesterol, they have no eggs or meat.
Doing without eggs on Passover is quite a trick!

Another somewhat related book is
    Judaism and Vegetarianism
    Richard H Schwartz, PhD
    Exposition Press, Smithtown NY
    ISBN 0-682-49827-0 (hardcover)
    ISBN 0-682-49828-9 (paperback)
He includes some recipes, many of which are suitable for Passover.

Art Evans
Xref: sparky soc.culture.jewish:7789 talk.politics.mideast:10509 soc.culture.arabic:1913
From: afarkas@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Andrew Farkas)
Subject: Re: Dental Floss and Pesach
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 22:55:01 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.201056.23658@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> jdr8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jay D Rosenbaum) writes:
>Is there anything I should know before Pesach about un-waxed dental floss?
>

Although I don't have it here, Rav Blumenkrantz says all unflavored brands
are acceptable.  I strongly recommend his guide, as I strongly recomend
consulting your local posek.
-- 
Andrew Farkas
AFarkas@pucc.princeton.edu (Internet) AFarkas@pucc (Bitnet)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Boaz Ben-Zvi)
Subject: Re: explanation of the eg
Reply-To: boaz@lcs.mit.edu
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 23:21:40 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.1659.8671@execnet>, ken.halfon@execnet.com (ken halfon) writes:
|>     I was wondering if anyone had an explanation of the symbolism of the
|> egg on the Seder plate?

This is yet another example to the gentile influence on Judaism: This is
the Pesach Egg (analogous to the "Hanuka bush"), though it is not painted
(this tradition is postponed till LAG BAOMER). The bunny was kept off as
it is not Kosher, but the old man is expected to hop in (though he prefers 
the door to the chimney :-).

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( Vayikra 18:3 . Apropos -- the very same chapter discusses another recent
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From: rdtst@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Richard D. Thorne)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: On Hiding one's Beliefs
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:12:39 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


-  I understand  R.  Alter's motives pretty  well, or so it  seems to me.
-  He was encoding something he believes to  be the truth and part of his
-  religion as  he sees  it, but for  some reason he  does not  wish some
-  "outsiders"  to know  it.  I  consider a  person who  is not  ready to
-  openly admit his  beliefs a coward.  Even more so,  as both the "code"
-  he had used, and  the original text have been printed  and are open to
-  anyone  including  those terrible  "outsiders",  coding  this text  is
-  useless and to make this effort is rather silly.
-  
-  Perhaps I am in a "poor light" but at least I am not trying to keep my
-  views in the dark as Avrohom did and Balbin defends.
-  
-  Michael Shimshoni


   What a Class A1 jerk.  I think that it is obvious that some would take
this procedure which is in the realm of folk medicine and try to equate it
with orthodox Judaism.  This procedure may sound silly but acupuncture
was also derided at one time.  Now "modern science" is beginning to accept
that there may be some substance to non-western medicine.  Unfortunately 
there are people who would rather try to score points against one group or
the other.  I really think that pure blind hatred has clouded your mind
to reason Mr. Shimshoni.  You are as closed off to the real world as the
Haredim that you despise.

       Richard Thorne  rdt@med.pitt.edu
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The Arabian Mufti meeting Hitler
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:21:22 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1992Apr9.003532.11350@uceng.UC.EDU> mgoller@uceng.UC.EDU (Michael Goller) writes:
>
>  Haj Amin el Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jersualem, legitimized his
                        ^^^^^^
>spokesman role for Palestinians through self declaration and violent
>warfare upon any rivals.  He killed Jews, British and Arabs to maintain
>his authority and to impress upon others (English and world press) that
>he was the sole legitimate representative of the needs and wishes of
>the non-Jewish Palestinian population.
>       His clan, the Husseini's were a prosperous and prominent family
>and gave rise to other leaders: Faisal Husseini and Yasir Arafat (all
>related.)  Faisal is Yasir's spokesmen in pre 67 JOT (Jordanian occupied
>territory) and YAsir follows in the footsteps of the Mufti in
            ^^^^^^^^^
>pressing his claim (without substantiation) for leadership of
>Palestinians.

>       mGoller

Some small notes.

The title GRAND Mufti was addopted by Hussaini himself, there was no
such a title "grand mufti", his official title was just "Mufti"

The biography of Yasdsir is one of the PLO sicrates. Yasser was born
at Cairo to the Egyptian Rauf, It is talled now that his mother has
some relation tothe Hussaini clan . ( Im did not check, but each
strong family become a decendant of Muhamad (Muhamet) ).

Through years the biography of yasser is changed. Years a go the
origion of his mother was Jaffa noe it is Jerusalem, why and who she
arrived to Cairo is not clear.

  Shalom    Gideon     EREZ YISRAEL\
From: root@kesher.UUCP (Aaron_Schmiedel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Vegetarianism & Halacha (was Re: Following Sedar tradition)
Summary: Vegies...
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:34:56 GMT
Organization: KESHERnet International - Dallas, Tx

In article <1992Apr6.211824.3101@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, hillel@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (hillel.e.markowitz) writes:
> The Torah explicitly forbids shaving with a blade.  Thus, whether
> or not the reason may be scarring, we are still forbidden to shave
> with a blade. 

Thank you.  That needed to be brought out, but I didn't have the time to post!


> 
> The situation with vegetarianism is a matter of considering if it
> applies or not in our situation.  The modern idea of "animals have
> rights too" (equating them to human beings) is IMHO avodas zarah
>
There was a in-depth article in Jewish Action a couple of issues back that dealkt with the ideas set forth in the message proclaiming "Vegetarianism is Preferred
by Torah."  If I can find it, I'll post it.



 
> ___________________________________________________________________
> | Hillel Markowitz        |        Im ain ani li mi li             |
> | H_Markowitz@att.com     |        Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha      |
> |_________________________|________________________________________|


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Subject: Re: explanation of the eg
Reply-To: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 04:29:14 GMT


In a previous article, ken.halfon@execnet.com (ken halfon) says:



>    I was wondering if anyone had an explanation of the symbolism of the
>egg on the Seder plate?

Just the other day, I attended a "mock Seder" which was hosted by Rabbi
Kornspan and held at a Catholic church in Salem,Ohio.
 
One of the symbolisms he mentioned was the egg. Of course, we all know
that the egg is one of the first things eaten after a funeral... to
reaffirm the continuous nature of life. Also perhaps tht from despair
there may follow renewal and joy.

However... as he pointed out.. the egg is one of only a few foods that
gets harder.. stronger as it is cooked longer. This may symbolize the
strength of the Jews at the hands of the Egyptians... the longer they
were abused.. the stronger they got.
 
I thought this was an interesting symbolism.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: universal morality (was Re: Help stop the KKK)
Organization: NetNews Readers Anonymous
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:13:51 GMT

Here, in a nutshell, we see the dichotomy between universal and reletive
morality....

In article <1992Apr13.001441.10220@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:

>Morally, in my opinion, no one has the right to ......

Just thought it funny enough to call to people's attention.
-- 
Sam Saal      homxb!saal OR saal@homxb.att.com
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: DOS Hebrew Keyboard/Video Drivers
Keywords: KESHERworks  HEBREW FONTS DOS
Date: 11 Apr 92 21:43:16 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway

In <628@kesher.UUCP> root@kesher.UUCP (Aaron_Schmiedel) writes:

>The latest release of the SHAREWARE product "HEBREW DRIVERS"!

My site can't respond to this address (sendmail insists that .UUCP is
a uucp connection :-( ), anyway if Aaron or anyone else has software,
shareware, freeware, GNUware, that they would like to make ftp-able
from israel.nysernet.org, send me mail.
-- 
/|/-\/-\          The entire kitchen is		Jerusalem
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From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Scouts and Scouters
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:11:46 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

In article <1992Apr14.183558.70215@yuma.acns.colostate.edu>, fitch@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Chris the wonder Scout) writes:
> Dear sir or ma'am,
> My name is Chris Fitch.  I am a 21 year old history major at Colorado State
> University in the United States.  I am a Boy Scout leader and am trying to
> theach my Scouts about the world they live in.
>
> I hate to impose on you, and I appreciate any help you could give me.  I
> need an address for the Israeli Scout Association, which is called "Hitachdut
> Hatsofim Vehatsofot be Israel", or for any Scout or leader you may know who
> could help me in my endeavor.

I just looked in the 1991 Tel Aviv Yellow Pages and the address given for
the Israeli Scouting Association ("Histadrut Hatsofim HaIvriim BeYisrael") is:
Rechov Lohamei Galipoli 49, Tel Aviv. Their phone number is:(011-972-3) 304422.
                                                                        ^^^^^^

Josh Backon
Backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL



Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Subject: Abraham
Originator: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 15:00:51 GMT

Somedbody who don't like to engage in discussions E-mailed me the following comment.

>If he talk about history, why he assume that a Jew is a son of Abraham,
>an Arab is not? 200 million Arabs must have the right to settle in Palestine..

Deleted stuff 

Any body would like to comment on the above?

Nabil
From: silvert@cs.dal.ca (Bill Silvert)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Is Tequila pesadik?
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:16:32 GMT
Reply-To: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert)
Distribution: na
Organization: Habitat Ecology Div., Bedford Inst. of Oceanography

This afternoon as I was griping to my wife, a biochemist, about the lack
of shlivovitz in Nova Scotia, she observed that if any liquor should be
kosher for Passover it would be tequila.  The fermentation is bacterial,
and cactus is not khomets.  Does anyone know if this is true?  Any
problems with serving tequila after the Seder (OK, it doesn't have a
rabinical stamp of approval, but we're not that kosher).
-- 
William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography
P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2.  Tel. (902)426-1577
InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.dfo.ca