From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Contradictions in Quaran
Date: 13 Aug 1992 13:19:27 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
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In article <1992Aug12.195158.2435@sol.cs.wmich.edu> sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani) writes:
>
>The fact that life has two parts has nothing to do with secularism.
>We do have personnal lives (relationships, attitudes in sex, etc),
>that we dont want to share with others and then we have activities
>in which we do want to work, think, discuss with others.
>
>The way the collective things work is by mutual agreement. You cannot
>make me work with you. You can only hope to convince me that it might
>be better for me to work with you. Suppose I want to convince you 
>that you must sex in a certain manner, because I have done some
>research and I have found that for tall men, it is better to have
>sex in a certain position. 

However, as Lincoln defined (?), your rights stop where my nose
starts. It means that any of your, so called, personal action
which impinges on my peaceful existence can not be ruled out
of discussion, right?

If that is so, then all of your "personal" actions which may
affect in short or long term on my existence must be considered
collective issues. Right? 

If you agree then we will have to decide each "action" on its
merit and demerits whether it lies in the personal or the
collective spheres. If that's so, then we are in agreement.
My fight is "only" because "secularims" gives a blanket
check without asking me.
>
>Religion is a very volatile subject. It has caused many million
>deaths and continue to cause more. It is because, people take upon
>themselves to prove to others that their religion is the best and 
>they ought to believe in it. 


And so has democracy and secualrism. It has killed thousands
and millions this century. Have you forgotten Vietnam, Korea,
World wars, Stalinism and Communism. Have you forgotten that
the prim champion of secularism was "communism". In fact, more
people have been killed under this "religion" than any other
religion.

Democracy of Security Council killed more Iraqis than they
Kuwaitis killed by Iraq. Democracy of USA killed more Iranians
and Iraqis in the first Gulf war to stop harming their 
national interest. In fact, the democracies of the world today are
the biggest producer of arms of destruction than all of
the religions combined in history. Democracy of Security
council is yet again killing thousands in Bosnia just
because no national interest is at stake, Ha ha ha


>They cite all kinds of authority (usually
>devine) and claim that they are on holy missions. They claim that
>everybody cannot choose their religion because religion is collective
>and we ought to have some say in what religion everybody adopts.
>


They cite the authority of the people by the people and
for the people to kill millions of people.

>The simple fact is life would be very peaceful if we acknowledge
>that there are thousands of religions in this world. 

In short world has seen more deaths, destruction, and killing
in this era of democracy and secualrism than any other
period of history.

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