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From: cali@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ( )
Subject: HanjaTalk 6.0.7 -- Hanja Input
Summary: Input Hangul and Hanjs under HanjaTalk 6.0.7
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 05:21:01 GMT


I know this is too trivial a question to be included in the FAQ list, which
I've already checked.

I'm running HanjaTalk 6.0.7 on a Mac SE.  Everything seems to be working well,
except that I can't figure out how to input hanja.

I randomly get some hanja characters on the screen: type the same keys 
followed by the same <space> key, I'll sometimes get Hangul, sometimes
Hanja, which certainly doesn't make sense.

Well, I must be missing something.  I thought <space> would convert the
Hangul to hanja, while <return> would post Hangul to the screen. I even
tried the control panel (in-line control, <space>and<return>, or <return>
only), but it didn't make any difference.

As a mater of fact, I don't even know the entire kayboard layout, and have
no idea how the "combinations" are obtained.

Any hints will be appreciated -- pointing to some files or books would be
even better.

Thank you

-- Chao-Ho

P.S.:  Are there any HanjaTalk versions which run on a Classic II (or 
PowerBooks, for that matter)?  A Classic II doesn't run under English 6.0.7.
Actualy, the question is about HanjaTalk which worjs with System 7.
From: chong@lsil.com (Vincent Chong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: "Superiority"
Keywords: "frog in a well"
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:36:48 GMT
Reply-To: chong@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

Mr. Jong Yoon Lee mention in  his mail the above saying is a Korean proverb. We chinese
have the same saying. To me it is clearly a chinese saying (simply perhaps because I am a chinese.) And I believe it is true since each noun in the saying is a chinese word. It leads me to think that while the Han'gul writing system is an independent invention not related to chinese (which I believed so), one cannot argue that the Korean language was influenced by the chinese language in terms of that a lot of Korean words are refering to some chinese words but represented in another system of writing, pro


nounciation and grammars. It is very clear from the use of the same proverb in both language. One need look no further to prove this by looking in a Korean to English dictionary. You will see many chinese words. As a matter of fact, sometimes I can guess some meaning of Korean words by just their pronounciation which resemble Chinese in many circumstances.

So arguments from both sides seems to arguing different thing.

V.Chong		lsil!chong
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: js92@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jungshik  Shin)
Subject: Re: "Superiority" (Re: Representation of Korea in East Asian Studies)
Keywords: Korea, East Asian Civilization
Reply-To: js92@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jungshik  Shin)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:03:22 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.164155.18278@m.cs.uiuc.edu> ywlee@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Youngwhan Lee) writes:
>
>>><We Korean had writing system
>>><long before King Se-Jong invented Hangul, called "Yi-Du."
>
>>   This is a mistake made by your opponent. 'Yi-du' is something like
>>   Japanese Kana and cannot be regarded as complete writting system.
>
>I don't know much about Japanese Kana but I can't believe what this
>person saying. Have you ever read the poem "Cheo-Yong" written in 
>"Yi-Du"? It looks very close to Chinese but it was a complete Korean 
>reading. If Yi-Du was not a complete writing system, what is "complete"?

    If Yidu was so complete, then why did King Sejong make new
    system?

>Explain me what is "Kana" and what is similarity between those two?
>
>youngwhan.


    My point is that Yi-Du just borrowed sound values of Chinese
    letters to express Korean (as you said in your reply to a
    Vietnamese) so that it's not a writting system in it
    s own right and against your intention to refute Scott's argument
    it only enhances his argument that Hangul and
    all other Korean writting systems are based on Chinese system and
    made under very strong  Chinese influence.  The similarity between
    Kana and Yidu I have in my mind is that both are based on Chinese
    letteres. In KANA, you can easily see that almost every letter is
    a part of Chinese letter(Pusu or something) One more similarity is
    thta both in Kana and Yidu, one letter correspond to one syllable
    which is different from Hangul or Roman Alphabet. My latter remark
    on Yidu may be wrong(partly). If so, please enlighten me.


Jungshik Shin | APS(Am.Phys.Soc.)  | E-mail              |The unreasonable try  
Columbia Univ.| OSA(Opt.Soc.Am)    |Internet:js92@cunixb.|to change their    
New York      | IEEE member        |cc.columbia.edu      |society to fit their 
Tel. 212-932-3860                  |Bitnet:js92@cunixc   |ideal. Bernard Shaw
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: seo@capone.ccsm.uiuc.edu (Jong-Wook Seo)
Subject: Re: Kwangju Uprising Info Request
Organization: Microelectronics Lab - Univ. of Illinios
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:05:54 GMT

Dear Zing

Even for us, the assassination of president Park by his chief of his 
intelligence agency is not well understood yet.
The political and social roots, the meaning, and the evaluation of that 
event, I think, need more time and effort to get reasonable amount of 
understand.
So many people involved in the politics at the time of 3rd and 5th 
republics are still alive and even in the power.
We haven't even seen the whole report of the trial of Kim Jae-Kyu, who is 
believed to be the main organizer of that event .
So, it is very difficult and maybe not correct to talk about it 
conclusively.

However, if I talk about that matter within my own experience (actually, 
only as an university student at that time) and some of my friends' 
opinion, I can tell you a little bit about it.
This is very limited view and even without much supporting materials.

It was some kind of organized accident.
Kim had been suffering his personal trouble with Cha, who was also 
assassinated at the same place.
Cha, as the chief of the president guard unit, over-managed the political 
affairs around the president.
Of course, as expected, there had been severe frictions between them, 
personal and political.
These frictions between them eventually became a very strong (at Kim's 
side, fatal) collision by the pro-democracy uprising at southeastern Pusan 
area.
Cha blamed Kim strongly claiming that the intelligence unit led by Kim 
'inefficiently' managed the uprising.
President Park, fearing about what the political situations might cause, 
trusted Cha more.
This made Kim to feel more nervous about his political fate.
So, he decided to kill the president and Cha.
That's the whole story announced by the people who managed the situation 
at that time.

However, there might be much hidden truth behind that unbelievably simple 
story.
How can a man who had been one of the toughest hard liners in that regime 
possibly kill the very root of his political power simply because he 
feared his position.
Although, it was said by many people that Kim had a little bit childish 
nervousness on the things he met.
Maybe, he was crazy.
Or, there had been another unknown political group which persuaded Kim to 
do so or to be crazy.
No matter what the truth might be, it is very clear that the regime went 
too far to keep its collaborators within reasonable boundary.
The mood of the people toward democracy and against the dictatorship were 
high enough to make Kim, who probably knew about it best among the hard 
liners because he was the head of the intelligence agency, not to feel 
much dangerous to kill president Park.
Or, maybe he really realized that it's the time to terminate the 
dictatorship for his country as he testified at the court.
Who knows ?

Anyway, I think we have to wait a little bit more to look at the real 
truth.


Jong-Wook Seo


p.s. : Actually, I am sorry I don't  know any materials telling about the 
"Kwang-Joo Uprising" written in English.
From: hnkst2@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Hanhwe han Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: South of Daedong river refers to Silla( was Re: Rep...)
Date: 5 Apr 92 19:47:01 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

se020151@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok Lee) writes:
>
>: The plot behind all this is to make the Korean history the history of a tiny
>: weak country of the peninsula south of Dae-Dong river, not the history which
>: has its basis in the continent.
>: 
>: Woong-Ki
>: 
>Well, I basically agree with you, but you gotta keep your posts short and
>sweet if you want people to read them--I obviously read enough of your
>post to tell you that the river(s) you speak should be: Doo-man and Am-rok
>which have their source in the Paek-du-san.....unless you're speaking of
>only the southern korea.

The posting about 'south of the Daedong river' refers to Silla.
After Silla and Tang defeated Koguryo and Paekche, Silla took over
the land south of the DaeDong river( the river that goes through
Pyongyang) but did not advance further North. 

Meanwhile in Manchuria, refugees from Koguryo and their nomadic
herdsmen allies established Par-hae (Bohai in Chinese). Although
the majority of the ruling class were ex-Kokuryo aristocrats, 
many scholars did not consider Parhae to be a 'korean' kingdom
until recently. That attitude was what the original poster, was 
refering to by 'history-of-peninsula rather vs. 
history-on-the-continent'... After a period of clashes with Silla and
Tang, Parhae made peace with both and managed to be very prosperous
and powerful, controlling present day Northeastern Korea(Hamkyung),
Vladivostok, and much of Manchuria. It was defeated by the ku-ran
(Khitan) tribes who would later threaten Koryo and Sung China.

-han 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.japan
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: korean and japanese culture
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:44:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.055347.7376@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c9b-av@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Chang) writes:
>Koreans and Japaneses seem to be full of themselves when it
>comes to their "culture."
>
>Let's face it folks, what "culture?"
>
>Your cultures are basically watered down Chinese handouts.  It might
>hurt your egos, but it is true.
>
>Take care.
>
>Steve Chang

True.  Neither Korea or Japan has nerve to kill her own people in mass as
the superior Chinese culture could in Tienamen square.  Japan and Korea
tend to water it down as you said.  I hope you witness in person your own
superior culture at its highest concentration one of these days in one of
your beautiful squares.  No, do not send the bill (for the bullet) to me.

Best wishes :)

James Choi
From: js92@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jungshik  Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: "Superiority"
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:31:48 GMT
Reply-To: js92@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jungshik  Shin)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Apr9.054818.5645@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
><   (In that point, he is quite inconsistent. He in one
><   article said that we Korean are proud of SOMEONE ELSE's invention, which
><   seem to me to meant that Hangul was made soley by NON-Koreans.
>
>I've said no such thing.

   You've said. Look below.  
>
><   Excuse me for not directly quoting
><   his articles.
>
>Quote them or retract your statement.
>
 In the following, you at least imply that it is made by
   SOMEONEELSE.
   This is a quotation from your follow-up to Cho Hyuk.

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Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 06:15:15 GMT

<I'm surprised that
<more people do not have inferiority complexes--yes I definitely think that
<koreans as a people have a self-esteem problem.

That doesn't give any one of them the right to claim "superiority" over others,
particularly if the basis of the claim is a writing system invented by someone
else.
       ******Look Here *****.   
       What do you mean by this sentense? Is this just general
       argument not aiming at Korean?  



					--Scott

-- 
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horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!

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>
>-- 
>Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
>horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
>203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
>ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!


Jungshik Shin | APS(Am.Phys.Soc.)  | E-mail              |The unreasonable try  
Columbia Univ.| OSA(Opt.Soc.Am)    |Internet:js92@cunixb.|to change their    
New York      | IEEE member        |cc.columbia.edu      |society to fit their 
Tel. 212-932-3860                  |Bitnet:js92@cunixc   |ideal. Bernard Shaw
From: jae@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jaehoon Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Death wishing ( was Birthday greetings )
Date: 15 Apr 92 11:03:12 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

(Scott Horne) writes:
>I'd like to take this opportunity to wish President Kim Ilsung a happy
>eightieth birthday.

I'd like to take this opportunity to wish President Kim Ilsung's death
before his eighty-first birthday.

- jae -
-- 
   Jaehoon Lee: Jeon-Im Researcher at Korea Telecom Research Center (KTRC)
   Internet:    jae@Sorak.KAIST.ac.kr  (SDN account)
   * Hey! My opinions have nothing to do with my company/my boss. *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: youngbae@bohemia.cs.colorado.edu (Youngbae Kim)
Subject: CS student at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville
Keywords: CS, UTK, Korean
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 07:21:12 GMT

I would like to contact any CS student at the University of
Tennessee, Knoxville. If you are one of CS Korean students at UTK or
you know one of CS students at UTK, please send me an email including
your brief information. My email address is "youngbae@cs.colorado.edu".
Thanks,

/* ===
   Youngbae Kim, (youngbae@cs.colorado.edu)
   Univerisity of Colorado, Boulder
   (303) 492-3971 (Office)
   (303) 786-0729 (Home)
=== */
-- 
Youngbae Kim
CADSWES, University of Colorado, Boulder
2945 Center Green Court South Suite B
Boulder, CO 80301
From: coc03@seq1.keele.ac.uk (C.W. Jo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Position opened in Korean Univ.
Keywords: Looking for a new faculty member
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:04:05 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

Hi
Now we are looking for a new faculty member from all over the world.

The area of interest is:

*Factory Automation Area :
 
 -requirements:  Must have doctorate degree in mechanical engineering
		 or will get degree by June,1992 on related area.
                 Majoring in an application area of factory automation
		 in various areas.
                 At least 200% of papers.
                 Field experience preferred
                 
 Our department is :
 Department of Control and Instrumentation Engineering
 Changwon National University
 Changwon, Kyungnam, Korea

 Changwon is the largest mechanical industrial complex and also the
 first well planned city in Korea. Quiet and comfortable area for
 residence.
 
 Our department is an interdisciplinary department.
 Current faculty member covers the following areas
     Automatic Control ( Electrical Engineering )
     Digital Signal Processing (Electronic Engineering)
     Robotics Engineering ( Mechanical Engineering )
     Electronic Circuits and Instrumentation ( Electronic Engineering
     
 Anybody who wants to apply is requested to send mail to the following
 address or E-mail before June of 1992. Official recruit notice will
 be announced by June 1992.

    address:  The Head of the department
	      Department of the Control and Instrumentation Eng.
	      Changwon National University
	      #9 Sarim-dong, Changwon
	      Kyungnam, 641-773, Korea

    E-mail:   coc03@seq1.keele.ac.uk
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:2102 soc.culture.japan:3511
From: ar2j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anthony Russell Rosania)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: korean and japanese culture
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:52:32 GMT
Organization: Freshman, Drama, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

You are all wrong- EVERYONES cultures are all just watered down handouts
of long lost caveman civilizations, that migrated across the continents
back before the days of continental drift---- BOW TO YOUR CAVEMAN
ANCESTRY!! -JUST A JOKE.... oh and by the way Steve..... I told you this
would happen.

							Anthony
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: c60a-ca@amazon.Berkeley.EDU (Su M.)
Subject: Something totally NEW   :)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 09:56:22 GMT

Staying up at this wee hour(2am) while trying to finish up my CS
project in this chilly computer lab, this thought just popped in
my mind.  Would I be living a different life if I had gone to a college
in Korea?  

From what I *heard* from some of my pals in Korea, the colleges there 
seem to put too little emphasis on academic achievement so the students 
tend to feel less compelled to study.  My guess is that it will really
depend on individuals but I do recall one line out of my friend's
letter: "I still cannot acknowledge the fact that I am finally through
with the 12 years of harsh academic environment.  Just don't know
how to handle this sudden freedom(?)..."  And this is a lady who's
currently enrolled in the Chemical Engineering Dept. at Seoul Nat'l Univ.
we are talking about.  

Anyone care to comment?  :)

Su M.
From: jong@boole.seas.ucla.edu (Jong Y. Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: "Superiority"
Keywords: "frog in a well"
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:00:03 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <1992Apr13.223648.1000@lsil.com> chong@lsil.com writes:
>Mr. Jong Yoon Lee mention in  his mail the above saying is a Korean proverb. We chinese
>have the same saying. To me it is clearly a chinese saying (simply perhaps because I am a chinese.) And I believe it is true since each noun in the saying is a chinese word. It leads me to think that while the Han'gul writing system is an independent inve
>ntion not related to chinese (which I believed so), one cannot argue that the Korean language was influenced by the chinese language in terms of that a lot of Korean words are refering to some chinese words but represented in another system of writin
>
>
>
>nounciation and grammars. It is very clear from the use of the same proverb in both language. One need look no further to prove this by looking in a Korean to English dictionary. You will see many chinese words. As a matter of fact, sometimes I can guess 
>some meaning of Korean words by just their pronounciation which resemble Chinese in many circumstances.
>
>So arguments from both sides seems to arguing different thing.
>
>V.Chong		lsil!chong



When you quote somebody else's saying, copy the original sentence or try to
rewrite as close to the original as possible.  Don't interprete your own way
and mislead other people.
I did say it's a Korean proverb because that's how I learned.  Everybody
in Korea uses that proverb without even thinking about its origin.  I have no
clue whether it came from Chinese or not.  And it doesn't really matter
because we are not using Chinese characters to express that proverb although
we do use Chinese characters to express some others.  
I think I mentioned in the letter that the origin of ther proverb might or 
might not be China.  Didn't I?
 

Jong Yoon Lee
From: syoon@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Sang Yoon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: korean and japanese culture
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:07:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr15.200728.28399
Organization: University of Hawaii


In article <1992Apr15.074110.9672@cs.yale.edu> horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.055347.7376@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, c9b-av@danube.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Chang) writes:
>
>[About Korea and Japan:]
>>Your cultures are basically watered down Chinese handouts.  It might
>>hurt your egos, but it is true.
>
>Like hell it is!  Defend your statement or retract it.
>
>					--Scott

    Please ignore what he said. He is out of his mind (crazy like hell).

    Prove if you are not. 

--

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syoon@hawaii.edu                     Time does not wait for man
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: yongseok@porpoise.ecn.purdue.edu (Yongseok Park)
Subject: Re: Something totally NEW   :)
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:32:58 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.095622.9844@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60a-ca@amazon.Berkeley.EDU (Su M.) writes:
>Staying up at this wee hour(2am) while trying to finish up my CS
>project in this chilly computer lab, this thought just popped in
>my mind.  Would I be living a different life if I had gone to a college
>in Korea?  
>
>From what I *heard* from some of my pals in Korea, the colleges there 
>seem to put too little emphasis on academic achievement so the students 
>tend to feel less compelled to study.  My guess is that it will really
>depend on individuals but I do recall one line out of my friend's
>letter: "I still cannot acknowledge the fact that I am finally through
>with the 12 years of harsh academic environment.  Just don't know
>how to handle this sudden freedom(?)..."  And this is a lady who's
>currently enrolled in the Chemical Engineering Dept. at Seoul Nat'l Univ.
>we are talking about.  
>
>Anyone care to comment?  :)
>
>Su M.

 I think the main reason why most students in Korea do not concentrate on
 study is lack of faculty. We usually do not have homeworks. Although we
 have some, they are not graded, since the professor does not have time 
 to grade and few TA's are available. We did not have a TA for a course.
 I was discouraged to study by ill-organized class. We need more faculty
 and TA's there.

 The next reason is we are open to real entertainment for the first time in
 our life. We had to study from 7:00pm to 12:00am until we finished the
 'Hakryukgosa'(eqivalent to SAT). As for me, I did not know Beatles nor 
 Deep Purple until
 I entered a university. I didn't even know the concept of dancing club.
  
 But I think there is no problem in digressing at University.
 Experience is another important. It may be more important than better
 transcripts.
 
 Moreover, we from Korea have no difficulty
 in mathematics especiaally, which makes us competitive in USA. The math
 skill was already made up when highschool.

 Anyway average academic load seems to me the same.

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