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From: silberman@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (ATR, PUBLICATIONS, NSSDC, CODE 633.1, 301-286-9281)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine
Subject: Modeling
Date: 29 Jul 92 22:46:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I am trying to find someone to do a full-figure sculpture of me. I am 
blind and would like to get a sence of my body. This is a personal 
project. If anyone in the Washington D.C. area is interested, please 
E-mail me. I would feel more comfortable posing for a woman.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine,rec.music.classical
From: steve@fid.morgan.com (Steve Apter)
Subject: Re: Comparative Art
Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:45:01 GMT

In article <14pefsINNcip@agate.berkeley.edu> maverick@cs.berkeley.edu (Vance Maverick) writes:
> :
>In conversation, when people reach for canonical
>examples of a great painter and a great composer, they come up with
>Picasso and -- Beethoven.  Picasso's contemporaries and analogues in
>the world of music, the most obvious example being Stravinsky, have
>nothing like his sales.
:
Picasso and Toscanini, perhaps?  The asymmetries you observe may have 
more to do with how composition and performance are separated in (art-) 
music but not in the visual arts.  How often have you heard a conductor 
ask the audience to applaud the composer?

Then again, no one is coerced into staring at an unpleasant, boring,
or incomprehensible painting for three hours!  (MOMA guard:  "We're
locking all of you into the Jackson Pollock chamber for the rest of
the day.  No talking, please.  Hey you!  Eyes front, mister!")



Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine
From: randolph@cognito.cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine,rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Comparative Art
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:49:29 GMT
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Organization: St. Dismas Infirmary for the Incurably Informed
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In-reply-to: steve@fid.morgan.com's message of 24 Jul 92 19:45:01 GMT

I think it's got more to do with the medium; Usenet doesn't do serious
graphics and this is probably very frustrating to some artists.  

As for being coerced to stare at modern art, you clearly have not seen
downtown San Jose.

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From: rcbi27@muvms3.bitnet (DBRUM)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine
Subject: need help finding stone sculpting how-to books
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:08:34 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

Can anyone out there help me by naming some good books that deal
with techniques and tools for sculpting stone? I already work with
wood, and am interested in trying stone, but aside from the basic
premise that one begins with hammer and chisel and finishes up
(possibly!) with sandpaper and water, I am at a loss information-
wise. A good book or two to study would remedy my ignorance.

Thanks for any help, email or post.

--danny brumfield
-- 
	"Were his solid black square paintings really,
	as the artist claimed, simply neutral, abstract
	compositions devoid of external references and
	meanings?" ***********************************
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine
From: sobony@sequent.com (Diane Sobony)
Subject: Re: question about alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.graphics
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:31:44 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
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From: maverick@cs.berkeley.edu (Vance Maverick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine,rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Comparative Art
Date: 24 Jul 1992 21:21:19 GMT
Organization: CS Division, UC Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ginkgo.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <RANDOLPH.92Jul24134929@cognito.cognito.ebay.Sun.COM>, randolph@cognito.cognito.ebay.Sun.COM (Randolph Fritz) writes:
|> I think it's got more to do with the medium; Usenet doesn't do serious
|> graphics and this is probably very frustrating to some artists.  

??  Sure does better graphics than sound....

	Vance
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From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine,rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Comparative Art
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:07:25 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

The population of Usenet is skewed in favor of computer
programmers and people in allied crafts and trades.  There
is an often-observed affinity between musical ability,
especially compositional ability, and programming.  In the
days before training in computer programming was available,
employers looking for talent noticed that music students
often had it.  (Another, but much smaller source, were
students of classical languages.)  There's no similar
affinity between programming and painting or sculpture, as
far as I know.

I imagine the attraction to photography lies in the fact
that cameras afford the opportunity for a great deal of
technical fussing, especially with numbers, and produce
objects which usually require little imagination or 
education to appreciate.  In this they are very like
little computers, and in fact are merging with them even
as we speak.
-- 
Gordon Fitch | gcf@panix.com | uunet!cmcl2!panix!gcf 
*       1238 Blg. Grn. Sta., N.Y., N.Y. 10274      *
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine
From: colby@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Colby Leider)
Subject: Vulgate
Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 13:15:48 GMT


Can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of the Vulgate?
  (i.e. Bible in Latin)

Thanks.
colby@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu


Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine,rec.music.classical
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Subject: Re: Comparative Art
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:19:26 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

In article <1992Jul26.150725.9497@panix.com> I wrote:
| ... 
| I imagine the attraction to photography lies in the fact
| that cameras afford the opportunity for a great deal of
| technical fussing, especially with numbers, and produce
| objects which usually require little imagination or 
| education to appreciate.  In this they are very like
| little computers, and in fact are merging with them even
| as we speak.

Some have taken this to be a deprecation of photography,
which it is not, although I do poke a little fun at the
culture.  I have the greatest respect for the art and
have practiced it myself when I had access to the
equipment.  I should have written "... produce objects
which usually require little imagination or education
to _begin_ to appreciate.  My thought was that, because
photographs usually contain recognizable objects 
explitcitly represented, they present a less severe
gradient of apprehension than most modern painting.
-- 
Gordon Fitch | gcf@panix.com | uunet!cmcl2!panix!gcf 
*       1238 Blg. Grn. Sta., N.Y., N.Y. 10274      *
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine,rec.music.classical
From: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle)
Subject: Re: Comparative Art
Reply-To: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com
In-reply-to: maverick@cs.berkeley.edu's message of 24 Jul 1992 21:30:26 GMT
Organization: You wouldn't ask this if you'd seen my desk.
	<14pspiINNk3g@agate.berkeley.edu>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 01:19:08 GMT

In article <14pspiINNk3g@agate.berkeley.edu>, maverick@cs.berkeley.edu (Vance Maverick) writes:

> OK, but you're just quibbling with my preamble.  This does suggests an
> answer for my real question, the reason for the relative liveliness of
> r.m.c. -- that the issue of performance (choice, definitive, wrong notes,
> studio splicing, etc.) provides material for discussion which is absent in
> r.a.f.;  but how do we then explain the vigor of rec.music.bluenote, which
> has if anything *more* avant-garde fanatics like me than r.m.c.?

I think it has a lot more to do with the issue of personal
involvement with the material.  Virtually all of the people
discussing music will have at least heard the piece, and most of
them have probably tried to play some of it.  A visual artist
will not likely have tried to reproduce a painting, although they
will likely have tried something of their own.  But with music,
the piece is something that we can all have and keep personally,
while simultaneously sharing it with everyone else.

When the subject of a particular piece comes up, we can go home,
or to the library, and listen to it again.  It's a lot harder to
stroll over to the Louvre for another look, and the reproductions
are not the same as the originals.  In music, production of the
music is paramount.  How the rendition of the music speaks for
the music is a topic of enless debate, but with fine art, the
question of how best to represent the underlying art has been
decided in a most final way and the only remaining debate is
over what it is.
--
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Mark E. Slagle                                 PO Box 61059
slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com                       Sunnyvale, CA   94088
408-756-0895                                   USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine
From: ortega@cactus.org (Paul Ortega)
Subject: HELP: Oil painting preservation
Summary: How do you preserve an oil painting?
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:22:08 GMT

A friend of mine purchased an oil painting around 12 years ago,
soon after it was painted.

It has since appreciated in value and he is wondering about the 
best method of preservation.

Any suggestions?

-- 
Paul Ortega			|  "Does this mean that we have
2015 Cedar Bend Dr., #1105      |   to fight now?" - Selina Kyle
Austin, TX 78758		|_______________________________ 
(512) 832-9197			ortega@cactus.org
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From: maverick@cs.berkeley.edu (Vance Maverick)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine,rec.music.classical
Subject: Re: Comparative Art
Date: 24 Jul 1992 21:30:26 GMT
Organization: CS Division, UC Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ginkgo.cs.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul24.194501.16253@fid.morgan.com>, steve@fid.morgan.com (Steve Apter) writes:
|> :
|> Picasso and Toscanini, perhaps?  The asymmetries you observe may have 
|> more to do with how composition and performance are separated in (art-) 
|> music but not in the visual arts. 

OK, but you're just quibbling with my preamble.  This does suggests an
answer for my real question, the reason for the relative liveliness of
r.m.c. -- that the issue of performance (choice, definitive, wrong notes,
studio splicing, etc.) provides material for discussion which is absent in
r.a.f.;  but how do we then explain the vigor of rec.music.bluenote, which
has if anything *more* avant-garde fanatics like me than r.m.c.?

|> How often have you heard a conductor 
|> ask the audience to applaud the composer?

Whenever the composer was on hand -- and we know how often that is!
 
	Vance
Organization: Cntr for Design of Educational Computing, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.fine
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:35:47 -0400 
From: "J.S.G. Boggs" <jbaq+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: THE BREW HOUSE                                                     CC: 
	<1992Jul14.213424.19977@cs.yale.edu>

SAVE THE BREW HOUSE !

The BREW HOUSE is an old brewery on the South Side of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
U.S.A., that has become artists studios.  The City of Pittsburgh recently took
the building from the slumlord who owned it due to non payment of taxes.

The artists, who call themselves collectively, THE BREW HOUSE, are in a
struggle
to gain ownership of the property.  The older of the two buildings was built in
1899, and the newer has an outdoor clock ( still working ) which was once the
largest in the world.  The artists want to renovate the buildings for continued
use as live-work loft studios.  The City seems ready to sell the buildings to
the highest bidder, who would ultimately tear them down.

This is the only space in Pittsburgh that can accomodate an artists colony of 
this type.  Loft spaces are very rare in this city.  

Please call Mr. BEN HALLYAR , City Finance Director 
and tell him to     "SAVE THE BREW HOUSE", his phone # is  ( 412 ) 255 2582

Or write to him: Mr. Ben Hallyar
                 Department of Finance
                 City County Building
                 Pittsburgh,  PA  USA  15219

Your phone call, postcard, or letter, will have an impact.  We need to let him
know that people care.  If you say "SAVE THE BREW HOUSE", he will know
you care.
We are trying to get as many people as possible from around the world to
write in.  We are not asking for money, we are asking for aciton.

SUPPORT THE ARTS -  SAVE THE BREW HOUSE






J.S.G. Boggs

Artist

Fellow of Art & Ethics
Center for Design of Educational Computing
Studio for Creative Inquiry
Carnegie Mellon University

Tel: (412) 268 - 8492
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.tech
From: pierrot@milton.u.washington.edu (The Pierrot)
Subject: Phaser Recoil (Was Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country)
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.tech 
Organization: Jupiter Mining Corporation Skutter Maintenance Team
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:19:32 GMT

In article <hqanba5n@cck.coventry.ac.uk> esf007@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Achurist) writes:

>Talking of equal and opposite reactions,  In ST3:TSFS kirk fires at the
>klingon who hit the tree, and the beam from kirks phasor direction connects
>kirk and the klingon. Shouldn't there be a hell of a kick from the phasor.
>or at least a feedback because of the link fron kirk to the klingon , if the
>bean manages to push the klingon into a tree the beam has to push from
>somewhere, i.e kirk,  so we  should see the klingon go one way and kirk on 
>the floor going, I wish it didn't do that everytime I wanna shoot somebody!

	We've seen several times the phaser having an appreciable
	impact on its target (STVI, STIII, a couple episodes of
	TNG), but we never see any "recoil" affecting the user.
	Never.

	Why not?

	Hmmmm.  We know that Treknology has created an "inertial
	damper" -- a magic box you plug into a starship to allow
	it to ignore the laws of conservation of momentum.  :) 
	Maybe the hand phasers we see contain a very compact 
	version of this device to allow the user's hand to remain
	steady while firing for better accuracy.

	An absurd proposition scientifically, I'll admit.  However,
	it DOES fit with what we know about Trek "science," and it
	fits with how we see the phaser behave on screen.  And hey,
	if it WERE possible, I'D want one.  :)

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From: eric_gorr@coglab_psych.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: New season start date
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:55:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services


Yo, people.  This argument isn't worth the time.  I was the one who first
asked the question and have received an adequate responce.  I didn't mean
to start a flame war over this....just ignore brown and maybe he'll just go
away.
From: learnd@lafcol.lafayette.edu (Dave Learn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Missing endings for STVI???
Date: 26 Jul 92 03:13:58 GMT
Distribution: canada,usa
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Jul25.224400.5116@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca>, p5ku@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (BAMFORD) writes:
> 
> 	Back in the fall when STVI was in its final editing stages,
> I heard this rumor, which I'm wondering if anyone else heard.  Apparently,
> they had filmed three different endings to the film, one of which
> involved the deaths of THREE MAJOR CHARACTERS.  Does anyone know anything
> about this, or have heard anything to this effect?  Just curious.

As I understood, up until near the end of filming, Kirk died a hero's 
death in saving the Federation president from the Klingon assassin.  If
you watch the sequence closely, Kirk even gets hit by the phaser shot as
he throws the pres. to the ground.  Too bad--as much as I like Kirk, I
think the movie would have been improved by his death.


Dave Learn, Knight of the Wolves         "What an extraordinary thing to
dl20@lafayacs.bitnet                      do--and you only a stutterer."
From: mhampsch@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Mark Hampsch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Dumb Question
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:46:09 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID

His name is 'Laqtis'(sp) and is called by that name in one there TNG show.


	Mark Hampsch
	hp Boise,ID
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: jeffery@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT)
Subject: Re: Scotty in ST: TNG season 6 episodes???
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 07:31:41 GMT

In article <92211.064015U16028@uicvm.uic.edu> U16028@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>
>I don't know the actual Earth years that TOS supposedly took place during,
>but would it be possible that Scotty was on the Boseman, from "Cause and
>Effect", and is now in the TNG universe?
>
>Does anybody have the appropriate information so that the ages and years
>can be calculated?

I don't know the exact years, but I do remember at a convention in April
Eric Stilwell mentioned to us that they wanted to get Kirstie Ally to come
and stand behind the captain as Valeris (2nd officer), but she was busy
at the time.  If this is true then Scotty could have been on the ship too.

(At least I think it was Kirstie Ally, it may have been Kim Catrell)

Eric Jeffery  (jeffery@ucsu.colorado.edu)




Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: What would it take to beat the Borg?
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 01:44:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.052230.25855@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> hpky@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (Hanan Polanski) writes:
>In <1992Jul21.233857.10678@csus.edu> byron@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Byron Chun) ponders:
>[see subject]
>
>	How about lotsa 'nanites'??

What a frightening thought. If the Borg didn't simply flood their systems with
the gamma radiation that kills nanites, they might find some way to assimilate
them into their attack methodolgy. So, upon first contact with a new species, 
they'd simply beam over some nanites into that new species' computers, the 
nanites would analyse them, then infom the Borg if they were assimilation-
worthy, or should simply be destroyed. Either way, the presence of nanites
in the workings of the other species' ship would severely hamper their abil-
ity to fight back against the Borg...


-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: The Name Game
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:23:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.013450.11557@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> theresa@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu (Theresa Vaughan) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.001316.19935@beaver.cs.washington.edu> jdcurtis@cs.washington.edu (Janet Denise Curtis) writes:
>>I think "picard" refers to a province in France.
>>
>>
>   As in Picardie? Interesting idea. Anybody know where they got
>Spock from? Or for that matter, the other TOS character names?

I thought it was common knowledge that all of the character names in TOS
(including Spock) were stolen right out of the pages of the early, less
widely known, works of Shakespeare.



-- 
--------------
Gary Schroeder		
schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov 
Brookhaven National Laboratory     "Home of the Big BNL Burger."
From: KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: The High Ground
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:57:23 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Jul28.000414.29484@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
gsb2q@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Scott Briercheck) says:
>
>Does anyone know why the TNG episode "The High Ground" will
>not be shown in Britain?  A network called Sky has supposedly
>picked up ST:TNG, yet they (also the BBC) would not air the show.
>Anyone know why?
>
>-Scott B.

Because it (a) mentions the "successful Irish Separatists" in the "early
21st Century" and (b) presents a not-unflattering view of terrorism as a
method of achieving political ends.  According to the rather heated
discussions here on the net, the BBC felt that "The High Ground" spoke too
closely to the situation in Northern Ireland, and in a way that was less
than pro-British.  C'est la guerre, eh, what?
                                                    -- Mike Kelsey
[  My opinions are not endorsed by SLAC, Caltech, or the US government  ]
What is your _name_?    "kelsey@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu"
What is your _quest_?   "To get a Ph.D. in high-energy physics"
When will you _finish_? "I don't know.   Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh..."
From: tkogoma@triton.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Starfleet Doctors and the Academy (was Fascis
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:48:40 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico

In article <1992Jul26.200101.11901@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan, Idiot) writes:
>Well, Bev, Bones, Troi and Pulaski have all been explicitly mentioned as being
>*Lt. Cmdr.s*.  This is a comiisioned rank, and I assume that they would have
>to go to the academy for that.

Using that same argument, Hawkeye Pierce and BJ Hunnicutt (from M*A*S*H)
must be West Point grads.  After all, they hold the rank of (army)
Captain.

Civilian MD's who enter military service are usually granted
commissioned rank as a courtesy.  Of course, they are not considered
in the line of command (except at medical units).

>There has been nothing in either series that has shown comissioned officers
>that have not gone to SFA, so until an episode says otherwise, I think we
>have to assume that all of them went through the Academy.

Conversely, we have not been shown anything that indicates that there
isn't an OCS or similar program for Starfleet enlisted personnel.
Therefore we can't *conclude* anything.

Also, I seem to recall some snippets about Bones' past which indicates
that he entered Starfleet *after* he got his MD and had a private
practice.  I think it's in the early 1st season (TOS) shows.  I'll
look around for it.

>Sean C. Duncan, scd@einstein.bgsu.edu :: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu    

-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  tkogoma@triton.unm.edu
  I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                           what I have now...
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