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From: batman@batcave.Sun.COM (Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: News of the Surreal
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:20:25 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
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	Ok, so I know this was posted a LONG time ago (Shows how
	far behind I am on MOTSS, huh?), but anyway...

	I just forwarded John's post to someone who does not
	(or does only rarely) read motss.


In article <1992Mar25.072123.8755@news.unomaha.edu> ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>Last night I was feeling a mite peckish at 3:30 in the morning, so I decided
>to trek to the Dunkin' Donuts a block away.


	(Story about donut art, DONUTHENGE, and a shopkeeper reading
	a book in a foreign language out loud to himself at 3:30 am
	deleted.)


	Anyway, when I mailed this to her, she replied-

->as I read this mail, a group of people went by outside, speaking in some
->foreign language. I thought, oh, that's a strange coincidence. I went
->to the front door and looked out, and they were sitting on the wooden
->retaining wall on our corner...
->
->
->EATING DOUGHNUTS.


	As Homer Simpson says...

	"It's funny *because* it's true."


-Karl

 
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley)
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 19:29:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr12.043244.29081@ucunix.san.uc.edu> schectr@ucunix.san.uc.edu (ROBB SCHECTER) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.005706.3189@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr10.200219.9089@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca> aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca writes:

>>>Yet to drown a group out by shouting, to refuse to listen to anyone, even  
>>>if the message is the same... am I the only one that feels uncomfortable  
>>>about this? Am I the only one that sees the same strategies used in the  
>>>past against us?

>>The KKK's platform has already been heard.  It does not warrant
>>further patience.

>      If this was WWII and we formed a Guerilla group to sabotage Nazi
>activities, no one would complain.

Thats a different thing from public confrontation.


>      So what is REALLY the difference between that war and now?  Haven't
>endless Extremist groups declared war (Very literally--one of them is even
>called W.A.R.) on us?

One big difference is that there was a consensus state of war between govts.
There is no such consensus from our govt that the threat that WAR and Aryan
Nations or the KKK poses to GLB folk is anything but a cultural artifact.

I've posted on this before, and I'll re-iterate again..
WAR is a very dangerous group of people. Unless you have a plan , the guts
to carry it out, and are prepared to die in the process, you would be best
to stay away from them.  You can bet that *they* are!

>      Come on...this is not the time to pontificate; this is the time to
>act.

I would argue for quite a bit of thinking and lots of preperation before
jumping into a battle with the right wing para-military groups.
For what its worth they've pissed off the FBI, I'm rather content now to
allow my tax dollars to wage this battle for me. 

Meanwhile put some thought into how tactics and strategy enter into the
picture, put some common sense into the equation and try not to let your
anger lead you into situations that offer no winning solution.

LUX .. owen
-- 
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mail gets to me quicker if you send it to owen@autodesk.com

*No matter where you go, there you are.*
From: junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Different cultures
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:02:05 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

Last Thursday a straight friend of mine [some of my best friends 
are straight:-)] had ran into two women he knows from the Spanish
department. Later, he asked, if I wanted to go out to dance that night
with him and these two friends of his. 

So we ended up to the Cardinal where I had previously been only on 
a couple of Wednesday nights. On Wednesdays, the New Bar has women's
night, and many gay men with their friends go to the Cardinal instead.
[In my opinion, the crowd in the Cardinal is less gay though. 
The certain athmosphere is missing, people are more restraint and
the behavior bordering to camp isn't there. On the other hand, 
the Cardinal is more mixed: both with respect to genders and orientations.]

Back to the story: on Thursday's the Cardinal has Latin American music.
I'm positive that the clientale in the Cardinal that night isn't 
representative of those cultures [how could it, in Madison, WI?],
but there was a distinctive difference on how men related to women
compared to what I have observed in general. When the men asked 
women to dance, it sounded more like demands. And some men were quite
persistent after being told no several times. 

Though, I was really amused by the apparent contradiction (in Western
culture's terms) between the macho behavior and the dances. Most queeny
things I've seen. Campy... Boy, did I fell in love with those. 
The hip action.... I must learn them. Absolutely! The amazing part is
how much energy they take. The movements are shorter, and sometimes
the problem is not moving certain body parts. 

As it turns out, one of the women teaches flamenco(sp?). After learning
salsa and other stuff... 

Now, what color dress should I get? I like blue more than red, but
all the flamenco dancers I remember seeing (movies, dolls etc)
wore red with a red rose between their lips. And, of course the shoes
and the castanets must be color coordinated with the dress....
This is going to be a project of monumental complexity. 


jari
From: dfpedro@nv2.uswnvg.com (Donn F. Pedro)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Beast"iality (was: Re: ST:TNG)
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:04:02 GMT
Reply-To: dfpedro@uswnvg.UUCP.UUCP (Donn F. Pedro)
Organization: US West NewVector, Bellevue, WA

In article <92092.114017IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>y'know, i talked to my heterosexual younger brother last
>night, and even HE didn't like the change from Beast to Prince!
>i guess, for adults, the beast was much more interesting...

I thought he turned out too pretty.  However, the actual process
of changing was one of the better animation sequences I have
seen.  He spun, and spun, and spun.  He seemed like someone
waking from a dream.

>
>                                          -ailsa




     Donn Pedro ...................{uunet, sequent, pn400}!uswnvg!dfpedro.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:26:50 GMT

> portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi) writes:
>In article <s4mrsINNd0q@agate.berkeley.edu>, George Neville-Neil writes:
>|In article <nssjddr.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

>|>You can't tiptoe in boots - everybody's gonna know you're coming. 
>|>
>|Not true !! It just takes practice.
>
>Part of being butch is that you _don't_ have to tiptoe.

Well that rules out yet another lifestyle choice for *moi* :-)
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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Goin' to Amsterdam
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 08:54:11 GMT


In article <1992Apr17.034918.27200@cco.caltech.edu>
pieter@cs.caltech.edu (Pieter Hazewindus) writes:

>>So, how does an enterprising young bi boy do Amsterdam on a budget?  For
>>that matter, how do I *get* there without selling my firstborn to 
>>American Airlines or suchlike?

>Get a discount travel agent, fly as a courier, fly a third-world
>airline such as Alia (Royal Jordanian).  

I got good rates from MartinAir, the Dutch charter airline,
on my first trip to that *terrific* country.  Oh, I do adore
the Dutch.  Amsterdam is one of the two or three most
wonderful cities, I think; I could very easily live there.
And the coffee is simply the best I've *ever* had, other
than what I make at home.

>In Amsterdam, stay in a youth
>hostel, or stay in a hotel in another city and ride the train.  (There
>are trains all night long to all major cities in the West.)  Use public
>transportation -- it's cheap, safe, fast, and convenient.

Aye to all that.  I stayed at a delightful small hotel run
by gay people, the Hotel Unique (37 Kerkstraat, as I recall)
for about $30/night (1983, sure to be more now, but not
$170).  In 1984 (with my mother), the Hotel Karolinska (quite
posh) was $85/night.

>Or make friends fast.  One real good friend is all you need.

I would rate it the easiest of all cities -- bar none --
that I've been in to make friends.  The Dutch seem to me
friendlier than Americans, who are (correctly, I think) not
notoriously reserved.

In contrast to Owen and Mick, I found good food easy to come
by in Amsterdam.  There was a fish place (Sluizers?) that
was quite good.  The Indonesian food, though expensive (so
splurge at least once!) is *quite* fabulous.

Gotta get back there before I shuffle off the planet.

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From: black@lester.sybase.com (Christina Black [Chris])
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dancing (was Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?)
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:02:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: sybase.19523
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

In article <m60t_fp@rpi.edu> buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:

+Well, this is sort of hazardous, because ieven though the following is true:
+
++   "Straight boys can't dance."
+
+That doesn't necessarily mean that
+
+"NOT straight boys CAN dance". Does it? [I'm a math major, I don't understand 
+all this logic stuff .. :-)]

Logic, shmogic.  I know by observation that there are a number of
not-straight boys who can't dance worth a lick.  Naming no names, of
course, but ugh!

-- Chris (black@sybase.com)
From: barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM (Mark Barnes)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Human sexuality
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:26:52 GMT
Reply-To: barnesm@vavau.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: vavau.corp.sun.com

In article 16634@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu, alyoung@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (amy young) writes:
>This is not the issue here... my husband and I frequently call each
>other names that if someone else used to refer to me with, I'd be
>mighty insulted.  The issue is using "girl" as a term of definition in
>a social situation where woman is more definitively appropriate.  
>
>I think a lot of the arguing that has been going on might be because
>of this misunderstanding... I can't think of any other reason.

A portion of the people involved in this argument, it appears, know that the
issue is the use of 'appropriate' language.  What many of these people are
struggling with, however, may be over what 'appropriate' really is.
How is it decided what is and is not appropriate?  And who then shall be
granted the task of observing people and pointing out instances where they have
behaved inappropriately, and then have the authority to re-educate said
people to thereafter adhere to the standards of appropriate behavior.

What the correct answers to these questions are I do not know.  Is one answer
inherently more 'right' than any other?   This begs another question.  What is
'right'?   There are almost as many answers to this as there are people.  Granted
some will agree on some issues, but it seems people have been and will continue
to struggle with this into infinity.  And there is always the personal investment
in a particular point of view to consider.

Are these questions far-removed from the issue at hand?  That's for the individual
observer to decide.  I suggest that behind most issues of contention are a small set
of common, basic, human motivations.    Whether this is true and what they may be
is up to the individual observer to discover.
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Mark                "When no one can tempt you with heaven or hell
                         you are a lucky Man." -- Oh! Lucky Man (movie)
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Outed at my high school (anonymous post)
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:09:40 GMT
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ

In article <rfxj7q#.onr@netcom.com> onr@netcom.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
>>I am 17, living in a fundamentalist Deep South town.  There is a
>>Presbyterian church --more fundamental than most, I think; they tried
>>to break from the PC-USA several times-- who claim to have a group to
>>"cure" us.  Most of the people in the town agree with this;  It's no
>>wonder that it is one of the largest Protestant churches in the area.
>>We started a gay youth group here;  it fizzled with only yours truly
>>attending.  Oh, well.  I go to college in Chapel Hill, NC this fall--
>>a rather open place.
>>(My parents are not supportive, to say the least.)
>(the rest of the story deleted for brevity)
>
>You are still under the age of majority, you are still a slave.
>Take heart and understand that it will not be long untill that condition 
>changes.
>You must be strong, you must maintain an even course until you have the
>opportunity to escape your circumstances.


What he said.  I went to high school in Goldsboro NC.  I hated it.
Take heart in knowing that *YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE*.  At your age,
I was still pretty fucked up about myself, let alone the world around
me giving me grief too.  Hang in there, fall is not so far away, and
there is no freedom quite so delicious as that first taste.


Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:20:05 GMT

nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>bn566@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ward Chanley) writes:
>>Does Madonna Exploit Homos?

>Madonna exploits everything. The fact that she is exploiting us homos
>is a sign that we are winning.

	Hmmmmm.. seems to me it's an indication that exploitation of
GBLO*-folks is contributing to the shock-value of her um, publicity
and therefore her paycheck.   Let's face it - when it becomes passe
and something else has more marketing potential we'll be dropped to
the side faster than you can say "pet rock".

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ACM022@Zeus.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:12:12 GMT
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> RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
> vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
> "Dick--my body hurts just thinking about it!" - MADONNA, _Dick Tracy_
	    ^^^^
> soundtrack

*wince* That's BOTTOM, Ron, BOTTOM!

---
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ACM022@zeus.unomaha.edu
	You bring me to my knees while I'm scratching at the eyes
	Of a world I want to conquer and deliver and despise.
From: exotica@milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: These Boots Weren't Made For Walking
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:23:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr10.172304.13747
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Apr10.142210.6408@ircam.fr> francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) writes:
>In article <exotica.702844743@milton> exotica@milton.u.washington.edu (Tsilke Pearlman) writes:
>>
>>Boots, I agree with Jeff, are the greatest, tho I have latley found
>>great pair of Doc Marten *shoes* that I wear when I need a break.
>
>Tsilke/Doc Marten: Not only could Tsilke wear my leather Biker pants
>and look delicious; We also had a distinct ability to wear identical
>looks the times we went out: DM boots/Shoes, Levis with right knee
>torn, wide black leather belt, teeshirt, biker jacket, short hair, big
>chest (though Tsilke outdoes me), healthy legs. I decided that most
>women should start wearing black leather pants; no one will fuck
>around with them ever... unless they are wearing them too.

I think we have a date with a tape measure, my dear. We got our photos
back and it is certainly close-the one of you and me clearly shows we
spend similar amounts of time at the gym (and are the same height and
have the same general taste and body structure. I can't say I'm displeased...).

I can't wait to get you in Seattle and put you in *my* leathers!

Oh, and I almost forgot-we're the same age! News Flash! Jojo and Tsilke:
Twins seperated at birth?!

Tsilke, who has probably not yet thanked Le Jojo enough for Paris,
but is working on it.
From: gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Gene Ward Smith)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Date: 12 Apr 92 04:26:48 GMT
Organization: Centre Interuniversitaire en Calcul Mathematique Algebrique

In article <1992Apr10.150136.12620@cs.hw.ac.uk> wells@cs.hw.ac.uk
(Francis Wells) writes:

>1 in ten pubescent males in western culture attempt to "eat" their dicks.
>less than 10 percent of those "suck seed"

I suckseeded. Just had to find out what it was like...
--
     Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/CICMA/Concordia University 
                  gsmith@concour.cs.concordia.ca
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: outing the stars
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:32:07 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>
>Anyway, Unix is a dandy way to meet women.
>-- 
I wonder if George has thought of this?
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: pieter@cs.caltech.edu (Pieter Hazewindus)
Subject: Re: Get Fat! Re: Exercise (Was Re: ... laundry?)
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 04:25:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.114450.26547@ircam.fr> francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis)
describes some truly tasteless ways to get fat fast (including Canter's),
then mentions the truly tasty:
>
>4) Get into Versailles. It is a Cuban restaurant on La Cienega. When I
>was doing a lot of bodybuilding, it was perfect: Gym/grab 5
>magazines/Versailles.  You can get a whole roast chicken (with garlic
>and Cubano spices like you wouldn't believe), black beans, rice,
>bread, fried plantains, and an incredibly sugary and fat cocoanut and
>unnameable fruit softdrink for $8. Lots of celebrities go there, one
>of the "biggest secrets" in Hollywood.

So now that you live in Paris you think you can give away all the
secrets of bargain dining in Los Angeles?  There should be a law
against that.  Versailles is not such a secret anymore;  there's a
waiting list during peak periods.  Even a friend from Pomona (Pomona!)
was raving about the place to me.  But there's another secret:

>5) Drink beer

This is why you go to the _other_ branch of Versailles.  It has a
liquor license.  I won't give away their location.  I'd hate for them
to run out of Cuban pork when I go next.

>Maigret de Canard with fine orange sauce,

The sauce must be Marple syrup.  And then you have Poirot Williams for
dessert, of course.

Pieter Hazewindus				pieter@cs.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: Re: Dancing (was Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?)
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 03:09:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.051438.13936@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
> Plus, gay men inherently dance better - we might not have inherent
> rhythm, but we have inherent *style*. :)

Ah, but how much style do you need in the pit? Get wet, take your
shirts off, and watch your nipple rings so they don't get snagged...

Bill
From: stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Regarding the NY/NJ CON Proposal
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:43:31 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger "Doubting Thomas" Klorese) sniffs:
>I doubt that I'd choose to visit San Francisco.

Roger, please!
It's _not_ a choice, it's an orientation!

And although it took me over twenty years to "come out,"
I'm glad I did.

It makes life so much easier not to live in a charade.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: dcf@po.CWRU.Edu (Donald C. Ferencz Jr)
Subject: Gay Dinosaurs!!
Reply-To: dcf@po.CWRU.Edu (Donald C. Ferencz Jr)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 02:11:15 GMT


	ABC, the network that brought you the infamous "thirtysomething"
episode with pleasantly real gay characters, recently followed "Star
Trek: The Next Generation" with a neat little allegory to homosexuality
in the "sitcom" "Dinosaurs."

	A little background: "Dinosaurs", despite it's ratings, is a
clever series with human-size Jim Henson-inspired Dinosaur muppets.
Often, the show uses humor centered around these prehistoris beasts --
they've spoofed a woman's desire to have large breasts with female
dinosaurs with "big tails," and they had a two-part "war story" epsiode
where the two-legged dinosaurs went to war with the four-leggers over
the price of pistachios.  Pretty clever, subtle, stuff.  The stories
center around the Sinclairs, an average (Archie Bunker-like) family.

	In a recent episode, Robbie (the teenage son) is embarrassed to
admit that, unlike the rest of his family -- who are carnivores -- he
might be -- GASP! -- an *herbivore*!  Earl (the father) laments that he
should have taken him hunting more.  The show is replete with hilarious
analogies...Robbie, in a dejected mood, finds himself hanging out with
fellow herbivores in a little dive called "The Salad Bar"!  (I was on
the floor with laughter.)

	In the end, Earl admits that there might be all types of
dinosaurs, and he'll love his children no matter what they are -- he
lets his wife serve *both* meat and vegetables at dinner.

	For me, this was every bit as, if not more, clever than the
androgynous race thing in ST:TNG; besides, it was uproariously funny,
and the ending was much more to my liking.  Unfortunately, "Dinosaurs"
was recently moved to Friday nights, which is something like last rites
for a sitcom.

	-- Don

(List of sposors unavailable at press time.  :-) )


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From: max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos)
Subject: Re: Heterosexual Exploitation of Homosexuality?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 20:11:08 GMT

(Tsilke Pearlman) writes:

>Not to change the course of this discussion or anything [;), but 
>I for one am still waiting for the likes of Madonna (or Sandra B., for that
>matter, much as I like her) to include in her videos or be seen in
>public with a woman who cannot be mistaken for anything but a lesbian 
>(no, one ambiguous comment about k.d. lang doesn't count). 

What, aside from saying to the press "I am a lesbian,"
did you have in mind as "cannot be mistaken for anything
but a lesbian"?  Hmmm?

Max
max@athena.mit.edu