From: sgs@grebyn.com (Stephen G. Smith)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Agincourt Computing
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:04:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.191738.5304@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

>sgs@grebyn.com (Stephen G. Smith) writes:
>: 
>: Many years ago, my brother found himself in the bad graces of one of the
>: local wholesale drug dealers (wrong place at the wrong time.  A long
>: story).  The word was out that the dealer was after him.  This
>: particular dealer's way of "dealing" with people he didn't like was to
>: inject them with a *large* dose of LSD (hundreds of mg) and dump them
>: off in fromt of a hospital emergency room.  Result?  A physically heathy
>: vegetable.  The police tend to get *really* serious only when the crime
>: becomes "murder", and the victim was still alive ....

>Sorry, this is a UL. There are no cases of a "vegetable" being created
>by a massive lsd dose. Either your brother was pulling your leg, or someone
>was pulling your brother's. 

I figured as much.  Good story though ....

>In the first place, there are very few dealers that could afford to buy
>hundreds of milligrams of lsd - much less, to waste them on some trouble  
>maker.

The dealer was alleged to supply the whole west coast.  In any case,
this dates from the time when lysergic acid was freely available in
large quantites -- LSD is *very* easy to make from lysergic acid.

>: UL?  My brother got a handgun and a concealed-carry permit in record
>: time, along with police instruction in firearms use and the use of the
>: police range.

>Hm. Must have been an informer - an important one at that. I can think
>of no other class of citizen who would warrant such generous treatment.

*Suspected* informer -- that was the trouble.  It's not a UL that cops
are scared sh*tless of drugs.  I'm just pointing out that *somebody* (in
this case, at least one judge and a bunch of cops) believed it enough to
take some rather unusual actions.

>: I don't think there is any clinical data on such huge doses.  As other
>: posters have mentioned, LSD is not physiologically harmful.  "Street"
>: acid is, however, usually mixed with strychnine.

>Bullshit. Try reading the FAQ.

Presumably, you are refering to the strychnine.  The AFU FAQ doesn't
mention it; I've never seen an AD FAQ.  That seems to have stirred up a
bit of trouble.

Anyway, back before the War on Drugs became the Moral Equivalent of
Communism, LSD was common on college campuses.  Several groups analyzed
street drugs and published the results in an assortment of
"underground" newspapers.  Very useful to find out what you *really*
bought ....  *Every* analysis of "street" LSD that I saw contained
strychnine.  Supposedly it was added to "intensify the high".
Quantities were *way* below the poisonous level.  You probably wouldn't
want to take 5000 hits at once, though.

Official analyses that I've seen just check for illegal ingrediants.  I
haven't seen independant analyses of street drugs in a good long time.
Don't know if I'd trust them, the way the WOD crowd works ("You have
illegal drugs.  We could sieze your whole building and everything in
it.  Here's what you're going to say ....").

>Bill


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