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From: murray.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Four manners of Service
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:22:27 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

Nachman Ross
 
Four Manners of Service - Part 1
 
   (Being that the  month of Elul is  the appropriate time for  Teshuva
(repentance), we  are  presenting one  of the  Previous Rebbe's  essays
which discusses aspects of Teshuva.)
   "The L-rd is  close to all who call  upon Him, to all who  call upon
Him in truth."
   We ascertain from this verse that G-d is called upon by two distinct
groups, "all who call upon Him" and those who "call upon Him in truth."
Truth refers  to Torah, as the Midrash  states: "Truth is nothing other
than Torah."  The Sifri states that "The L-rd  is close to all who call
upon Him"  applies only  prior to  the sealing -Heaven  forfend -  of a
harsh decree.   Accordingly, it is understood that once  a harsh decree
has  been sealed, G-d must be called  upon through Torah, which has the
capacity to nullify even a sealed decree.
   Since G-d  is entirely  merciful it  is readily  understandable that
even a harsh decree has a specific spiritual purpose.  A case in point:
the great  and  mighty  afflictions  of these  times,  the  "birthpangs
[preceding the  coming] of Moshiach."   It  is now the  last period  of
exile  and  very nigh  to  the coming  of  Moshiach.   Repentance  is a
prerequisite  for Moshiach's  coming, since  "Israel shall  be redeemed
only through repentance."  Thus, the afflictions [of these times] serve
as  an  awakening to  repentance.    Now the  time  is  truly ripe  for
Moshiach's coming and by "calling upon Him in truth" the "birthpangs of
Moshiach" are eased.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: eitan@mlacus.oz.au (Eitan Froumine)
Subject: Re: Vatican, Israel and Hidden Children
Organization: The Australian Centre for Unisys Software
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:34:22 GMT

w2dz@watson.ibm.com (Daniel Zalik) writes:

>Could anyone supply the official text of the Catholic Curch's position
>on requirements for the recognition of the State of Israel. I realize
>that there are currently talks being held at a fairly high level regarding
>such a prospect, but I am interested not so much in the most recent events
>as in the historical context of the Vatican's refusal to recognize the
>Jewish State. 


I read in the Israeli Yediot-Aharonot newspaper (21/8/92), that
there is a RUMOR that the Vatican changes its attitute towards the
"State" of Israel in order to gain a say in the peace process.

The Chatolic Church concerens about the future of Jerusalem. The
Vatican likes that Jerusalem will be divided into two parts with
a permanent UN supervision on top of them.

Eitan Froumine


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From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Torah In A Torah Context (was Re: more of ...can of worms....)
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:22:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.Bu0DD0.CzF
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <1992Sep02.172718.688959@locus.com> hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles) writes:
>In article <BtxGs5.CrI@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Rubin Herman) writes:

>>Nevertheless, the last two of the rivers described seem to have had
>>no problem of identification.  The whole set presumably made sense
>>to those reading the Torah, or there would have been no point whatever
>>in including it; the names and descriptions of the rivers serve no
>>moral purpose whatever. 




>IMHO, you have missed the point entirely here. You are assuming the
>Torah is a History/Science book, and as such feel it essential
>to pinpoint these locations. However, no believer has ever claimed
>the Torah to be a History book. 

>Consider the following: Abraham lived 175 years. He clearly had
>a major impact on history, yet the Torah tells us virtually nothing
>about his life - except for perhaps a few weeks total. The first
>we hear about Abraham, he is already 70/75 years old, and 
>he already has a close, personal relationship with G-d. What happened
>to him during those first 70 years, and why did G-d single him out
>over the rest of the generation? The Torah alludes to the impact
>he had on his community ("hanefesh asher asu bcharan" - Genesis 12:5),
>yet tells us absolutely nothing about this.

Did Abraham have a major impact on history?  We do have history of that
time, and there is no indication of his presence.  And as for not stating
much about the life of those of the time who have left marks in the
historical record, we do not know much more about their lives until
they came into prominence.  This even holds for those who lived after
history was deliberately recorded.

There is a difference between omitting items, and including items.
No history includes everything which happened; it is not clear that
the amount of information required to do that can be handled by any
present, or even future, technology.  

But a history book, or a science book, does not deliberately include as
facts things which are known to the author to be false.  If we assume
that the Written Torah is the literal word of God, we should be able
to assume that every word is literally correct.  Here we have two
extensively described rivers, which we cannot find, and two barely
described rivers, which "everybody" knows.  Now I have no problem with
accepting that the extensive description is there because good geography
books did not exist in those days, but the description should fit SOME
rivers arising in those mountains of southeastern Turkey.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: allen@golem.ssc.gov (Michael Allen)
Subject: Re: On the SUPERIOR Role of Women
Reply-To: allen@ssc.gov
Organization: SSC Laboratory, Dallas, TX
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:47:42 GMT

>>>>> On 3 Sep 92 21:57:17 GMT, baker@ROBOCOP.NYU.EDU (Jonathan Baker) said:

In article <9209032157.AA16258@robocop.NYU.EDU> baker@ROBOCOP.NYU.EDU (Jonathan Baker) writes:

Jonathan> Mr Allen mentions Lisa Aiken's book.  For other views on Judaism and
Jonathan> women, see (for example)
[...]

There is a difference between those books and Dr. Aikens'.  Those
books present their own opinion of why there are certain practices in
traditional Judaism, and then go on to show why the practices are
therefore no good and need changing.  I would claim that most of those
authors start off assuming that the practices they are discussing need
change and then look for reasons to justify that assumption.  I may be
wrong on that since I can't actually know what is in their minds.

Dr. Aikens, on the other hand, presents the traditional reasons and
rationale for various practices.  I suspect she comes to the table
assuming that those practices do not need fixing, but she does not
come up with her own reasons to justify this opinion.  You may, in the
end, not agree that those reasons are sufficient justification for the
behavior.  But I think it is better to start from reasons and work
toward the conclusions, rather than bash the conclusions and then make
of reasons to justify your actions.
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        Those Who Planned;                         
And the minds who planned the Tower of Babel       
        Cared nothing for the workers who built it.

	-Metropolis
From: ce157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric W. Mack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Educational Administration Software
Date: 4 Sep 1992 03:22:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


I am considering purchasing Seymour Rossel's software to help 
maintain my Religious school records. Our school has 400+ students.
We are currently using an inadequate or at least inefficient 
system called Temple Tracker. (I haven't used it myself, and don't
know a lot about computers, but my secretary is constantly having
problems working with the system.

If anyone has used Rossel's program, I would appreciate your opinion
on its ease of use, efficiency, etc.  Thanks

Cheryl Birkner Mack
-- 
Eric Mack or Cheryl Birkner Mack
From: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: I have yet to meet a Jewish murderer.
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:43:41 GMT
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California

In article <9208211646.AA17855@ptms_dev.sbi.com> <gertler@ptms_dev.sbi.com (User - Don Gertler)> writes:
>
>No doubt battering is a tragic problem among Jews as it is among other
>groups.  But is your statement really accurate?  Do you actually see
>equal numbers of Jews and, let's say, WASPs?  If that's the case, then
>I would say Jews are grotesquely over-represented in the batterers.  I
>hadn't realized the problem was quite so rampant.
>
>I hope you mean that Jews are no more than proportionally represented,
>though I look forward to the time when all groups will be "under-represented."
>
>-Don Gertler


I live in a fairly decent neighborhood in Los Angeles, but yet am afraid
to let my wife or kids go out alone at night. Unfortunately, there
have been too many incidents lately.

However, I have a friend visiting from Israel, who claims that in Israel
you can let your wife and kids go for a walk at 2 in the morning,
and not have to worry.

So I do agree with the original poster. Sure, maybe there are some
Jewish low-lifes, but these are a rarity.

Hayim Hendeles
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Egg Creams (was Re: Proof of the Decline and Fall)
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:13:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.204147.14832@cbnews.cb.att.com>
ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.154028.4953@umbc3.umbc.edu>
>shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff) writes:

>>Tragically, I am convinced that real egg creams can no longer be
>>found, not even on NY's lower east side; sublty antiSemitic
>>health dept. regulations have taken their toll.

>Alas, this appears to be true.  I think the secret was that the
>glass (with Coca-Cola inscribed in white script) has to be swept
>thru a sinkful of used water to rinse it out before being used
>either dripping wet or after being wiped only once with a damp rag
>hanging from someone's belt.  In Flatbush, anyway.

Maybe the shmutzy glass, the shmateh's detritus, and the remaining soap
from the water are responsible for that full foamy head.

Yuck.  Here's one area of modernity I certainly don't regret and I'll
stick to my recipe over that, any day.  Well, I do accept the gentle
reproach to cut back on the milk.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
		Note new machine name
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
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From: tb13@ellis.uchicago.edu (leon joel gross)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
Subject: Bombing of Holocaust Memorial in Berlin
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:33:02 GMT
Reply-To: tb13@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

From today's Israeline:

Bomb in Berlin Destroys Memorial to Jews Murdered in the Holocaust;
Act Considered Most Severe Attack on Jewish Targets in Germany in
Years

Today's YEDIOT AHRONOT reports that a bomb was placed yesterday
under the memorial for tens of thousands of Berlin Jews who were
transferred from the Berlin Railway Station to death camps. The
bomb, allegedly planted by neo-Nazis, was put between two steel
plates under a large sign of a Magen David. The memorial, placed
over the railway station, was severely damaged. Israel's Consul in
Berlin and the leaders of the local Jewish community was
immediately briefed on the attack. It is considered the most severe
attack against Jewish targets in Germany in many years. The police
intensified security arrangements around all the Jewish synagogues
and other Jewish institutes throughout Germany. The spokesman of
Israel's Embassy in Bonn said last night in response to the attack
that this is a most severe incident and should be condemned by all.
"We are convinced that the German authorities will do everything in
order to find the criminals," he added. The newspaper adds that
politicians from all parties in Bonn expressed shock at the
explosion of the memorial. Spokesmen for the Government in Bonn
also expressed their shock and promised to do everything possible
to catch those responsible for the "despicable crime."
From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: German and spanish speaking SCJ users!
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 92 02:04:57 GMT
Organization: "The Private site of Manfredo Tichauer"




I'm very interested to know how many SCJ users are in german speaking
countries  (Austria-Germany-Luxenburg-Switzerland)  and users  living
in any other country who can speak,read and/write in german: it could
be very interesting to create a jewish mailing list in german. Please
mail me the answers.  THE SAME APPLIES FOR SPANISH!


D E U T S C H !!
----------------
Ich bin sehr interessiert zu wissen wieviel  USENET  users lesen  SCJ
regelmaessig in der  BRD-Luxenburg-Oesterreich-Schweiz  (und wer) und
haetten vielleicht interesse in eine juedische mailing list in deutscher
Sprache teilzunehmen.  Dieses gilt auch fuer  deutschsprechende users
von SCJ in andere Laender ausser die obengenannten,  z.B. Neuseeland. 
Bitte meldet euch bei mir per mail.


E S P A N~ O L
--------------
Tengo mucho interes  en tomar contacto con usuarios de  SCJ  de habla
castellana (espan~ol) de cualquier parte del mundo. Seria interesante
establecer una mailing list judia en castellano, pero para ello es ne-
cesario saber cuantos usuarios dominan este idioma Y tendrian interes 
en participar en ella.  Ruego a los interesados  ponerse  en contacto
conmigo via mail. Informacion para los curiosos: soy chileno,de Valpa-
raiso pero residente en Alemania desde .... demasiado tiempo atras.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish
From: ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec)
Subject: Re: Nazi camps
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 22:32:25 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.213644.10662@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.195039.9864@dgbt.doc.ca> ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted
>Grusec) writes:
>
>>which led to the holocaust.  In any case, are we not too preoccupied
>>with the details of the past rather than with getting on with the
>>present and future?  What is being done NOW about anti-semitism, and
>>about other human wrongs, now that we have seen what the consequences
>>of such wrongs can be? 
>
>I think that this is the whole point.  When you have a group attempting
>to minimze its complicity/complacency/participation in the Holocaust,
>the victims worry even more about potential behaviors should another
>Holocaust occur.  The most important indicator of how people will act
>in the future can only be determined if you can study what they did in
>the past.  If they don't even remember what happened, you can guarantee
>a repetition.


Sam: Let's realize that the "Poles", however, defined, are NOT
monolithic in their views.  Many Poles (and Germans, and etc.) are NOT
trying to minimize their complicity or responsibility.  They are not
"a group".  The latter idea implies narrow variability, and this is
not the case.  The variability on all matters of opinion and belief is
as wide within any cultural group as within any other.  In fact, if I
may use a pertinent statistical concept, the within group variability
overwhelms between group variability so that differences between
groups ("Jews", "Poles", "Germans", "Americans", "Canadians", etc),
are inconsequential compared to the variations within them.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: Yom Kippur and Tu b'Av
Reply-To: er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld)
Organization: Bell Communications Research (Bellcore)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 17:12:02 GMT

In article <199209021208.AA11062@das.wang.com>, MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni) writes:
|> Another  possible explanation  why Yom  Kippur had  all the  described
|> activities, could be,  (and this is surely unacceptable  to anyone who
|> believes that the Oral Law is Sinaic), that the festive atmosphere was
|> in times before the second Temple  was destroyed.  All the fasting and
|> grimness as  is customary  now among the  observant, is  a post-Temple
|> affair,  when  Rabbi  Yohannan  ben  Zakai and  all  those  after  him
|> "invented" what became  known as the "Oral Law" to  give it authority.

Even for one who doesn't believe in the Oral Law, this is absurd.  The written
Torah says several times that we are required to "afflict our souls" (eenuy)
on YK.  Granted, the interpretation of that term to mean fasting per se is
part of the Oral Law, but clearly it is a term associated with grimness
and not with festivity and rejoicing.
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: lazer@intacc.uucp (Lazer Danzinger)
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 06:05:54 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

In article <-#!nfbp.yosi@netcom.com> yosi@netcom.com (Yosi Almog) writes:
>
>What about you, do you think there is any importance for a jew to live
>in Israel?
>
	Naturally I think that living in Eretz Yisrael is very important.
	But this does not mean that I would advocate that everyone pick
	himself up and move there.
	Living in Galus (and one can be in Galus even while physically
	residing in the Holy Land), has a Divine purpose, viz., to
	elavate and refine our surroundings. In the words of the Tzemach
	Tzedek, the third Lubavitcher Rebbe, "Transform you place of
	residence into Eretz Yisrael."


----
Rabbi Lazer Danzinger
Mashiach -- Be a Part of It!
From: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Hebrew School
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:33:50 GMT
Reply-To: aa324@yfn.ysu.edu (Marlene Miller)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH



Thank you VERY much for all the suggestions. I'm incorporating them into
my lesson plans (the first is due next Wednesday).
 
It's going to be a wonderful year, and with your suggestions and comments,
the children should get something pleasurable out of it, too.
 
If anyone thinks of anything else that I may use in teaching Torah, the
AlefBet, and Mitzvot to second-graders, I'm always open for suggestions.

Marlene Miller
aa324.yfn.ysu.edu
-- 
         No nation can long survive without pride in its traditions.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:01:00 EDT
From: <EXG106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A few questions

I would say (my opinion) that Judaism is made up of two parts: a religious one
and a social one.  There are Jews of varying religious views: from super-ul
tra-orthodox to conservative to reform to atheist (yes, atheist).  But then the
re is the social aspect.  A person who is atheist can still consider him/hersel
f Jewish even though they do not believe in God.  It is a sense of belonging
to a group, and all are concerned for the group.   Thus the fear of anti-semiti
sm (the Jewish aspect of it) by Jews is only a fear for one's self, but also a
a fear for Jews as a whole.  The greatest fear during such events as the inquis
ition or the recent holocaust is a fear of group extinction (it's kind of like
a very loosely held family- very sort of).

Note that this is my opinion.  There are those who believe that if one does not
 follow their styles of worship (religiously, of course), then one shouldn't be
 considered a Jew.

This is very difficult to explain, I hope I've helped some.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal)
Subject: Re: Auschvitz and $$$ & The Ontario Press Council
Organization: liver ---> spleen
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 12:31:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.020844.23397@eng.umd.edu> rig@eng.umd.edu (Ronald
Greenberg) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.115918.17339@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
>saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>>In article <1992Aug21.153009.8660@schbbs.mot.com>
>>swietor@ecf.toronto.edu (Maria Swietorzeck) writes:

>>>       NAZI CAMPS BUILT BY THE GERMANS IN GERMAN-OCCUPIED POLAND

>>>We urge you to do so by writing to the Press Council, and copying the editor 
>>>of the Toronto Star and the Congress.

>>Alternative text:

>>I am aware of the complaint by the Canadian Polish Congress concerning
>>the Toronto Star's use of appropriate wording to describe Nazi German
>>concentration camps in German-occupied Poland.  I fully support the
>>Toronto Star in this issue.  References to camps of unspecified origin
>>and simply said to be located in Poland are factually accurate but
>>deeply offensive to Poles trying to minimize their own participation in
>>antisemitic atrocities before, during, and after World War II.  I
>>believe that news stories should be clear on this point.

>Sam, you've gone too far this time.  I agree that there was plenty of
>participation of Poles in antisemitic atrocities and that many Poles
>try to minimize it.  Still, the original article had a valid point
>that it is more informative to refer to German camps or
>German-occupied Poland.

I'm not sure how long you've been reading SCJ, but I've been a
participant (for better or worse) for quite some time.  Whenever the
discussion turns to the Poland during the Holocaust we get the Polish
apologists who claim that the attacks on Jews after WWII were because
the Jews participated in some political group or other and it was these
groups that were targeted.  Funny how the non-Jewish members of these
groups never did seem to have lost the numbers (let alone percentages)
of people as the Jews.

During the war, I beleive there would have been far fewer Polish Jews in
the camps had it not been for the complicity of the local population.

>Let's not have this become a Jewish/Polish flame war.  Please restrain
>your urges to post on this subject.

I will not be an apologist thru silence.

If the border between assuring that the truth is known and a flame war is
fuzzy, I'll risk it.  Please note.  I am in no way saying that all Poles
are guilty.  I recognize that the Nazis extracted orders of magnitude
damage on Poles for resistance activities.  I also know that Poles both
saved Jews from, and turned them in to, the German occupiers.  There was
both resistance and collaboration, both willing and unwilling.  My
objection is to those Poles who deny any/all complicity.  Read, for
example, any history books on the overtures made by the Warsaw Ghetto
resistance leaders to the Polish underground for a truly frightening
episode of Polish antisemitism.
-- 
Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
		Note new machine name
	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton