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From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Tell us (aus.music) about _your_ local bands
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 23:46:57 GMT


To try & get something constructive going.....why don't _you_ tell
the net about your favourite _local_ band (doesn't have to play live
either)!

Just post a brief description of their music & add anything you think
might be interesting - maybe even a live review.

Here's one for starters.

Hurdy Gurdy - Melbourne group.

Some of the band originally hail from Tasmania (many bands migrate to
Melbourne from there) & one member was a frontman for the Fish John
West Reject a couple of years ago.  Hurdy Gurdy like The Breeders a _lot_
- maybe too much!  Safe to say that they sound pretty close - but have a
lot more energy running through their music (& an extremely sarcastic
lead singer).  They've gigged a lot - have a track on Nu-music sampler 4
and are looking for someone to release an album worth of songs - somewhere.

Melburnians should check them out.  The only date I know they're playing
is Sept 12 at the Tote with The Mavis' & Breather Hole (Mavis' are also 
worth seeing)

---
over to you,

brian
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER)
Subject: JJJ v MMM and the dangers of jumping to conclusions
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:09:55 GMT

well well, how the JJJ stalwards rally to defend the techno/rap/sampled
"music"  and tear the commercial stations (ie MMM) to shreads for being
unimaginative and playing a hakneyed old song list with token "modern"
music that isn't modern anyway because it's not hard core rap or
a drum machine thumping at 245.432 bpm (or is that 245.453 techno, and
245.653 for acid ?  Why can't I tell the difference?  maybe my Amiga
can do it for me ?  it did the noise !!!)

has it occured to the pseudo-intelectuals out there in "radio-land"
that MMM plays what it does because a large number of people actually
*WANT* to listen to it?  I know it's not idealogically sound (pun
intended) to play anything that ever sold more than 3 copies, or
fits into the "mainstream" category,  but hey, someone out there 
must like it, after all, it seems to rate well?

besides, I listen to RRR, so shove that right up your politically 
correct orifii ... I only listen to MMM when I'm at work because
everyone else wants to(exept on sunday nights, with Big Billy !!)

So jump thee not to conclusions about closed minds ... if I set my
drum machine, sampler and synth up properly, I bet I can sound 
*just* like every "masterpiece" of originality on JJJ..  what?
A guitar did you say? ...  where ???  Man, that takes 2 hands ...

now where is my sbs frog porno ...


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From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: MMM
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:57:43 GMT
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	Just while we're having a sensible discussion on radio:

	How can that same guy always be DJing MMM (and any other 
successful commercial station) everytime I have the misfortune of
pausing the dail near it.
	There is no way I'm gunna beleive that there are even two
guys - little loan a swag of them that have the same offensivley
deep and moronic a voice.  Well even if you are willing to beleive
that is possible - how could you possibly explain all these people
having an equally apalling sense of humour!

					Colin
Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
From: jamie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Jamie Scuglia)
Subject: THE BIGGEST SELLING ALBUM IN THE UK (this week) IS *AUSTRALIAN* !!!!
Organization: Monash University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:40:14 GMT


This week sees one of Australia's premier performers
storm into the UK albums charts, debuting at number one
in only the first week of release of the album.

And who would I be talking about?  

INXS, with WELCOME TO WHEREVER YOU ARE?  No.
Crowded House, with WOODFACE?  No.

In fact, it is our own Kylie Minogue who tops the UK charts,
with her latest album, called GREATEST HITS.  The album
features singles from her first four albums, plus 3 new tracks.
The new first single to be released from the GREATEST hits album is
called WHAT KIND OF FOOL (HEARD ALL THAT BEFORE).  This album
marks Kylie's last association with the Stock-Aitken-Waterman
hit factory, as she takes a new direction with her music.
Rumors are floating around that she might do some work with
Prince!!!

Anyway, I think it is really fantastic that little Kylie from
Melbourne can notch up the biggest selling album this week in the UK!
Good on her!!!
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From: dougcc@brt.deakin.edu.au (Douglas Miller)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Cut+Paste
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:35:46 GMT
 <summer.715474367@mamura> <1992Sep2.235729.29331@mel.dit.csiro.au> <1992Sep3.002607.29842@mel.dit.csiro.au>
Distribution: aus
Organization: C&CS, Deakin University

In article <1992Sep3.002607.29842@mel.dit.csiro.au>, brian@mel.dit.csiro.au
(Brian May) writes:

> In article <1992Sep2.235729.29331@mel.dit.csiro.au>,
> brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May) writes:
> |> 'cut + paste' music started with sampling technology (right?)
> 
> Wrong Brian!  Actually, WS Burroughs started experimenting with cut up 
> tapes in the 50's, it just took until the 80's to reach 'popular' music.

Does Burroughs' audio cut-ups qualify as music (rather than text)?  Anyway,
cut and paste music started a earlier than this.  "Musique concrete" was
being created shortly after the invention of the tape recorder.

I've always thought it silly that the rise in popularity of cut & paste
music in the 80's was attributed to the advent of cheap digital samplers,
when it has been possible for decades with nothing more sophisticated than
a reel to reel recorder and a razor blade, or (if that seems too manual)
track bouncing on a multi-track recorder.
From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Nu-Music and unsigned bands
Date: 30 Aug 92 09:39:45 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

neilex@brt.deakin.edu.au writes:
>Studio 52 in Johnston Street, Fitzroy are doing a great job of making cd
>release accessible to unsigned bands with their nu-music sampler series.  

I know these guys! They're pretty nice. They produced demos for us and
taught me a lot about music production...

>Each three months or so they are releasing a new sampler with around 19 to 20
>tracks on each of local australian unsigned talent.  It makes a good listen,
>and the samplers are getting a bit of airplay on SUN-FM (Shepparton), RRR, JJJ
>and PBS, not to mention 3RPP (98.7FM) on a Sunday night.

Only problem is, it's fairly expensive to record :( However, I'd recommend
it to bands who get regular gigs and are making enough bread to spend it on
recordings.

Paul

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From: Mark.Stiebel@f159.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Mark Stiebel)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Not just "Dirty" Queenslanders
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:41:00 +1000

 DIC> I don't see what makes them any different from the rest of the
 DIC> country. There has been so much chatter in aus.music about where to get
 DIC> the "dirty" versions of Dirty and bugger all mention of the music. 

 The first time I ever heard or saw any of Sonic Youth's stuff was on Rage a
few weeks ago. I saw their '100%' clip, and the next day went out and bought
it.
 It's a great album and I really enjoy most of the songs on it, unlike a lot
of albums which have a few songs that aren't worth the space they take up on
the CD!

 Anyway, the first time I saw the picture was about a week after I got the CD,
surprisingly! (I don't usually think to look through the covers, even if they
are orange instead of black!

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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: brian@mel.dit.csiro.au (Brian May)
Subject: Re: mr floppy cd
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Distribution: aus
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 01:54:41 GMT


In article <993100022@peg.pegasus.oz.au>, beam@peg.pegasus.oz.au writes:
|> 
|> i hear that the floppy boys are at it again.
|> has anyone heard the cd and be willing to share their joy with the net?
|> 

A floppy hosts a grunge/industrial/techno type radio show on 3PBS-FM, Melbourne.
If you're in Melb yourself, call 537-2433 between 12-1:30PM Mondays (or
stick a (03) in fornt otherwise :-)  Ask for Paul 'floppy' ;-)

brian
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From: pringle@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (GLen Pringle)
Subject: Re: AUSSIE TOP FORTY COUNTDOWNS
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:24:19 GMT

In <pet.715166937@munagin> pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan) writes:

>I wonder how these charts are compiled. There was an almighty controversy about
>the methods of compiling the charts in the UK when Deeelite failed to reach
>#1 with Groove is in the Heart. Evidently it was impossible to count each
>copy of every release sold, so the method estimates the number sold by placing
>counting machines in selected music outlets. What is done in Australia?

I can't guarantee that this method is still used (but would expect that
it is), but up to the end of last year the method was very similar.
Selected music outlets were _asked_ to guess which records were selling
the best.  Sounds pretty accuracte and unbiased to me!

>Paul

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Newsgroups: aus.music,rec.music.misc
From: mvc@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Min Vui Chan)
Subject: Re: CHART: Top 10 singles -> Australia.
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 07:24:30 GMT

jamie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Jamie Scuglia) writes:

: 1. ( 1) AMIGOS PARA SIEMPRE - Jose Carreras and Sarah Brightman
:         (FRIENDS FOR LIFE)                      [3 weeks at #1]
: 
: (1)---> For the third week in a row, Jose Carreras and Sarah Brightman
: are the proud owners of the number one single in Australia - AMIGOS
: PARA SIEMPRE (FRIENDS FOR LIFE).  While this single is selling by the
: truck-loads here, most (if not all) radio stations in Australia
: refuse to play the single - even though it is at number one.  And
: countdown shows like TAKE 40 AUSTRALIA and THE ROCK 40 COUNTDOWN
: refuse to play more than 15 seconds of the biggest selling song
: of the week.  I have never seen such prejudice by radio to a number
: one song - excluding it from countdowns is really ridiculous, considering
: how popular the song is internationally due to the Olympics at Barcelona.
: It is not an "offensive" song, it does not contain explicit lyrics,
: and its video is not X-rated, hence the song should not be ignored
: due to the fact that it is a bit opera-orientated.  Jose's current
: album, FRIENDS FOR LIFE, is one of the biggest selling albums of the week,
: and he has also topped the albums charts before, so there are a lot
: of people out there that like his work.  The soundtrack to Phantom Of The Opera
: (featuring Sarah Brightman) has also sold well, so radio should realize
: that there is support for this single and the artists involved.
: While I am NOT a big fan of opera myself, I do like AMIGOS PARA SIEMPRE -
: and I believe that it *DOES* have wide-spread appeal.  It really
: disappoints me to see music like that ignored by radio, to such an extent
: that even countdown shows will not play it.
: 
Ain't that the truth!!! Stuff the radio stations! We'll show them!

:) M.V.Chan
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From: u9161910@cs.uow.edu.au (Gareth William Omeara)
Subject: Re: ROLLINS BAND TOUR DATES PLEASE
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:03:36 GMT

tarmstro@metz.une.edu.au (tarmstro) writes:

>Hi,
>   Can anyone give me tour dates for Sydney and or Brisbane for the 
>Henry Rollins Band. I know that there is an all ages show with the Hard Ons
>at the Horden on Sept 13, but when (and where) else is the man gonna be?
>Can't miss this one!


As far as I know Henry's only doing the one show in Sydney, but
we can always hope that there's more.

Gareth.
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Newsgroups: aus.music
From: mwp@iconix.oz.au (Michael Paddon)
Subject: Re: mr floppy cd
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:48:43 GMT

In <993100022@peg.pegasus.oz.au> beam@peg.pegasus.oz.au writes:
>i hear that the floppy boys are at it again.
>has anyone heard the cd and be willing to share their joy with the net?

I'll bite.

I picked up a copy of _Breakfast_, by Mr Floppy, on the strength of
the one or two songs I'd heard on PBS. The CD features their single
_Homebrew_ as well as three (count them, three!) mixes of their
cover/pastiche _Breakfast_. These are somewhat appropriately named the
manual mix, the cake mix and the extended mix.

I listen to the CD a lot, so I guess that my opinion is that Mr Floppy
kicks serious butt. For twenty bucks, what more could you ask?

                                     Michael

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From: tvechins@eng.auburn.edu (Toni R. Vechinski)
Subject: LA BAMBA
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:44:08 GMT


      I was wondering if anyone knows the words to 'La Bamba'.  If you do,
could you write them down and send them to my e-mail address?  It would be
greatly appreciated.  If you happened to know the translation, or part of it, 
that would be great too.   Thanks!!
  
                                       Toni
From: s913575@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Matt Fenton)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: JJJ v MMM and the dangers of jumping to conclusions
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:59:37 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre, Melbourne Australia.

carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER) writes:

>So jump thee not to conclusions about closed minds ... if I set my
>drum machine, sampler and synth up properly, I bet I can sound 
>*just* like every "masterpiece" of originality on JJJ..  

Yeah, and I bet if you stopped crapping out of your mouth, and speaking
out of your arse you would make a lot more sense.

Get a life, loser...
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: c9106234@cc.newcastle.edu.au (YOU SHOULD BE DOING YOUR WORK)
Subject: Aus Awards - coming soon!
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:59:01 GMT


I am interested to know who everyone believes should take out the music
awards at the upcoming "Aus music Awards" :

Categories are something like the following :-

		1. Best Australian male vocalist
		2. Best Australian female vocalist
		3. Best Australian group
		4. Best Australian album
		5. Best Australian single
		6. Best Australian dance group
		7. Best Australian dance single
		8. Best Australian dance album

	there are also other categories including best independent Australian
act, but i cannot remember what they are.
	The international categories are something like the following:

		1. Best international male
		2. International female
		3. International group
		4. International song
		5. International album

	Will and should any of the following obtain a mention?

		{ Mixed bag of different artists - Aus/international }

		Guns'n'Roses ?

		Melissa ?
	
		Right Said Fred ?

		The Tin Lids ?

		Jimmy Barnes ? 

		Mariah Carey ?

		John Farnham ?

		Madonna ?

		Elton John ?

		Kim Wilde ?

		Neil Diamond ?

		John Paul Young ?

		Rick Price ?
	
		Kylie Minogue ?

		Salt'n'Pepa ?

		John Denver ?

		Mr Big ?

		Euphoria ?

		Radio Freedom ?

		Vanessa Williams ?

		James Blundell ?



		Are there more to come ?
From: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: Sampled "Art" (was Re: MMM)
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:38:29 GMT
Distribution: aus
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

summer@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Mark Summerfield) writes:
: cde@mulka (Colin Entwisle) writes:
: 
: >	I think it is time for the elistist instrumental bullshit
: >to end.  The computer/sampler is an instrument.  No more or less
: >valid in its own right than any other.
: 
: I would liken the creation of new works from sampled audio to a kind
: of musical collage.
: 
: Nowadays, collage is considered a valid artform, however you will no
: doubt have noticed that this has *not* resulted in the art galleries
: of the world becoming filled with any old rubbish stuck together by
: any old talentless dweeb who can handle a pair of scissors and a 
: gluestick!
:		(stuff deleted) 
: Mark.
:           --------------------------------------------------------


	Nor is the gallery full of paintings by any talentless dweeb
(i hope its onomatopoeic - and not seriously offensive) who can pick
up a brush.  And lets face it any talentless dweeb (I'm starting to
like that word) can pick up a brush.  
	What I'm getting at is quality control is a problem in all
music nor more or less with modern/sampler stuff!
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Subject: Re: JJJ v MMM and the dangers of jumping to conclusions
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Distribution: aus
Date:  3 Sep 92 01:19:53 GMT

carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER) writes:

[Old arguments ignored. Aus.music.people are presumably adults. You may need to
actually say something - and preferably some argument that hasn't been heard
three million times - to get anyone interested enough to reply after the initial
irritation dies down. But this, on the other hand, is so stupid I can't resist]

>So jump thee not to conclusions about closed minds ... if I set my
>drum machine, sampler and synth up properly, I bet I can sound 
>*just* like every "masterpiece" of originality on JJJ..  what?
>A guitar did you say? ...  where ???  Man, that takes 2 hands ...

Do it. Your kind's last resort is to say "I could eclipse any music on JJJ on 
my own." (Much like the 15 guitarists in the lightbulb joke.) But you never do.

[And, btw, drop the operatic titling: "the dangers of jumping to conclusions."
Pah! The last thing aus.music needs is to become another outpost of 
net.teenage.bravado.]

--- G M Heinrich  ( leroy@socs.uts.edu.au )
Some of us, by the way we act, have even lost our minds.
Newsgroups: aus.music
From: gifford@krang.vis.citri.edu.au (Jonathan Gifford)
Subject: Re: Cut+Paste
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 06:50:15 GMT

carl@ecr.mu.oz.au (Carl_Ivan BREWER) writes:
>... I have
>less respect for the drivers in the semi-autos than the crunch boxes
>because they're eaiser to drive ( relativly) than the real gear boxes.
>If you want sheer speed in a highly controlled environment, they are
>"better",  but they take some of the skill out of it.

Depends what the skill that you find interesting is, doesn't it? A
gear box is just a way of making a fundamentally inefficient engine
behave in a vaguely sensible way - if a computer can do it better than
a human, why not let it, and let the driver get on with strategy
(which I find interesting).  Anyway, this is supposed to be aus.music
isn't it :-)

Back to music - would you rather listen to a technically perfect (ie:
*highly* skilled) piano recital, or a less highly skilled piece of
improvisation? I'd value the latter, because it shows that the player
is exhibiting a skill I find more valuable. This is not meant to
suggest that concert pianists are all automatons, btw.

>>is that these things (samplers, sequencers, auto-boxes) take some of
>>the drudgery away, and allow you to be more creative, since you don't
>>need to spend two years being indoctrinated into an arcane and limited
>>regime.
>
>or alternativly, they're a cheap shortcut to making money?

Sure, but thats got nothing to do with what instruments they're
playing. Can you say "Milli Vanilli"? How about Sid's bass playing?
How about Ringos drumming? How about...

jon
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From: pet@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (paul eng-yi tan)
Newsgroups: aus.music
Subject: Re: AUSSIE TOP FORTY COUNTDOWNS
Date: 30 Aug 92 09:34:42 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia

u9161910@cs.uow.edu.au (Gareth William Omeara) writes:

>If these stations were serious about promoting good music why won't
>they play certain artists who recently made the mainstream charts
>yet are ignored by the mainstream radio staions who play these charts.
>The two main artists I'm talking about are Died Pretty (Top 20 album)
>and Ed Kuepper (Top 30 album).Does anybody know why mainstream radio
>won't play them. 

I think the stations won't compromise their homogeneity to put on an
alternative song. They are dedicated to the percentage of the listening
population who DIDN'T buy Died Pretty or Ed Kuepper. See, if they started
to play songs which hit the charts but were alternative, they would risk
losing their audience to the other mainstream stations which DIDN'T play
these songs. This audience IMHO consist of non-discerning listeners who
would rather hear a homogeneous playlist but will not admit it. Neither
does the FOX which keeps spouting all its shit about having so much
variety (and keeps these people thinking that they do have varied tastes!).
All that bull about variety obscures the fact that these stations play
all the same type of music, namely classic rock, and modern songs which
imitate classic rock!

Paul

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