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From: rhouston@glacier.sim.es.com (Richard Houstan)
Subject: Re: BYU vs. Fresno State
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:50:01 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.181438.1@cc.uvcc.edu> maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu writes:

>   No, no, no, no, no.  He was just making up for the blunder he made in
>   the first half...

>   Cougs up 10-7 and driving toward the south endzone... Fourth and three...
>   We're playing a team who averages 40+ points a game, and we go for a
>   field goal to put us up by only six??? Fortunately, after FSU drove
>   for a score in their following possession, they missed their chip shot
>   extra point for a 13-13 tie. And...fortunately, FSU couldn't muster the
>   same offense in the second half that gave WSU,CSU and others fits.

>   Good fortune aside, how can you go for a field goal on 4th and 3 when you
>   are in a track meet with such a potent offense.. I say BYU had a 50-50 
>   chance of making that field goal and a slightly better chance that that to 
>   make that first down run...We were running at will against FSU and the
>   coach didn't think we could go three yards???

>   I've seen some great things from Lauder this year...but also some misses
>   in key games.  I think he is better than what we've had in the recent past
>   but field goals are not the answer against the Notre Dames, Penn States and
>   FSU's.

>   arthur


No, no, no, no. The two situations are completely different. Despite what you think 4th and 3
early in the game is a lot different than 4th and 6 inches with 2 minutes to go in the game, when 
running the clock down is as important as points. You say the cougars "were running at will 
against FSU", well if you looked at all the running plays in the game I think you'd find that
quite a few of them went for less that 3 yards, and a lot of the runs were on 1rst and 10 when
FSU didn't know weather BYU would throw or run. I think if they went for it on 4th and 3 FSU 
would know they would run it just like you did. 

Edwards made the correct decision both times. On 4th and 3 the odds were definately better 
for the short field goal and the 3 points, On 4th and inches the odds were definately better 
going for the first down and running out the clock.

I always find it amusing when fans think they know more about coaching than one of the best 
coaches in the country.



							Richard
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: .signature
Keywords: Athens
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:59:44 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Heheh, that's pretty funny.  We'll see how those boys from the farm do now
that they're ranked in the top ten again.  I'm still hopeful that Spurrier will
get the Gators up to beat the 'Dawgs.
-- 
BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
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From: taoc@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Chi-Chih Tao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Summary: There is justice out there!!!
Keywords: #1 Huskies Vs. #2 Wolverines in the Rose Bowl!!!!!
Date: 11 Oct 92 23:50:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Here's the AP Top 25 teams with records through Oct. 11.

                   Record
 1. Washington      5-0-0
 2. Miami, Fla      5-0-0
 3. Michigan        4-0-1
 4. Alabama         6-0-0
 5. Texas A&M       5-0-0
 6. Florida St.     5-1-0
 7. Colorado        5-0-0
 8. Stanford        5-1-0
 9. Penn St.        5-1-
10. Georgia         5-1-0
11. Nebraska        4-1-0
12. Notre Dame      4-1-1
13. Tennessee       5-1-0
14. Syracuse        4-1-0
15. Mississippi St. 4-1-0
16. Georgia Tech    4-1-0
17. Virginia        5-1-0
18. Southern Cal    2-1-1
19. Clemson         3-2-0
20. Boston College  4-0-1
21. N. Carolina St. 5-2-0
22. Washington St.  5-0-0
23. Florida         2-2-0
24. West Virginia   3-0-2
25. Kansas          4-1-0


My God.  There is *JUSTICE*.  I don't think Miami deserves to be #1 this year.
Miami wins simply because of sheer lucks (wow, how come so many guys missed
so much field goals against Miami?)

And playing high school girl football teams most of the time and sneak by
two top 10 teams by sheer luck DO NOT qualify as #1!
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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: What everyone who missed the ND-Stanford game wants to know
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:49:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.080724.9674@leland.Stanford.EDU> gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.191827.979@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct5.171302.17686@news.nd.edu> rwood1@puccini.helios.nd.edu (richard wood) writes:
>>>Go break into your piggy bank and buy yourself a clue!!
>>>
>>>Everyone has a bad day.
>>
>>Yeah, but the great teams still win!!! hint: Miami; NOT ND.
>>
>>Heard this joke today:
>>	Rick Mirer(sp?) is a first round pick!
>>
>>>Rich
>>
>>Njan
>
>Put your money where your mouth is Njan (but buy yourself that clue
>before you lose the rest of your money).  Mirer will be picked very
>early in the first round. (Trust Bill Walsh on that.)

Yeah, but I don't think Bill Walsh is going to do too much recruiting
for NFL teams... anyways, who in the right mind will pick a QB who
can't perform against a good defense? Wait till they play Penn-State

>Miami will be great when they can beat a team that makes its field goals!!

You don't have a clue about football, do you? Blocking fg is part of
football.

>greg

Njan
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From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: The NEW Penn State MNC Scenario!
Organization: UMCC
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:14:57 GMT

In article <1atvjnINNoho@agate.berkeley.edu> grantham@jif.berkeley.edu (Jon Grantham) writes:
>ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston) wrote:
>>[part of scenario that gets PSU into the top three deleted]
>>>       Michigan - Ah, if they go undefeated people will care.  They have a
>>>       schedule about as good as State's (but certainly not better), although
>>>       that tie with ND is gonna hurt if Penn State beats them at Notre Dame.
>>>       Even with a Michigan win in the Rose Bowl, I see Penn State with a
>>>       piece of the MNC at least.
>>>
>>Sounds ok to me.  Should both teams go undefeated, we could split the 
>>MNC.  I have no problem with that.  :)  
>>Actually, it would pretty interesting to have co-national champs 
>>in the Big Ten next year.  Let all Big Ten insulters beware!  ;)
>
>Ah, Steve, you miss the real beauty of the super-secret *real* Penn State
>MNC scenario, which has Penn State beating Michigan in the Blockbuster Bowl
>for the MNC.  You see, Michigan will go undefeated in the Big Ten, *but*
>so will suprisingly good Wisconsin.  Since Michigan & Wisconsin don't play
>each other this year, Wisconsin, since it last went to the Rose Bowl some
>time back in the Eisenhower administration*, it gets to go and play then
>#1 Washington.  #2 Michigan & #3 Penn State meet in the Blockbuster Bowl.
>(Michigan gets to the Blockbuster Bowl by the same hocus-pocus that got
>Washington there in the UCLA scenario.)  Wisconsin stuns the Huskies
>by winning on a last-minute field goal.  The problem with this scenario, of
>course, is that Elvis will suffer a mysterious injury & thus Todd Collins
>will *not* throw a last-minute interception.  Instead, he will guide
>Michigan into field-goal range (which, this year, better be pretty damn
>close) & whoever's kicking for Michigan (who knows, Steve, maybe you...)
>will kick the game-winning field goal as time runs out & tears stream down
>Joe Paterno's face.
>
>See, wouldn't that be easy?
>
>Jon  "The Redskins would be winning if Desmond played more" Grantham
>-- 
>Jon Grantham					grantham@math.berkeley.edu

Jon, nice to see you on usenet.  How's CA?  Ok, I should take this to 
email. :)  
From my understanding, though, Michigan would still go the the 
Rose Bowl if Wisconsin somehow managed to go unbeaten in Big Ten 
play because of our non-conference record (better than Wisc's). 
Am I right?  
---
Steve.
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:00:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <TOMA.92Oct12142345@db.TC.Cornell.EDU> toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) writes:
>
>Miami and Wash play a common opponent, Arizona. If Arizona goes up to
>Washington, and doesn't do as well as they did against Miami, then you
>have your answer. Wash #1. If they do better than they did against Miami,
>then Miami #1. Who has FSU, Penn St and Iowa played? Clemson? Piddly. Miami
>just isn't in the Pac-10, and doesn;t have to face the level of 
>competition that the Pac-10 provides year in and year out.
>--
>toma@tc.cornell.edu - Rory Toma
>
>Opinionated and tunnel-visioned? Darn right. But then, my employer really
>doesn't know what I'm talking about anyway...


  First of all, we should all know by now that no associative rule holds
in football.

  But besides that, you cannot say now that Arizona is a good measure
to rate Washington and Miami.  When Miami played Arizona, they did not
look that good- a tie with Oregon St. for example.  Miami simply overlooked
them because FSU was coming up and Penn St. the week after.

  However, since then Arizona has beat UCLA convincingly and Washington
now realizes that Arizona can be a threat, you can bet the Huskies are
going to take that game seriously now.

 If you want to say who is better than the two teams will just have to
play each other.  Since that won't happen, the next best thing to do is
rate the teams each school has beat AT THE END OF THE SEASON; I don't
think taking a team the week it's ranked is a good measure.  As each week
passes the ranking is worth more.  A ranking of a team in the third or
fourth week of the season is meaningless.


  Doug

  BTW, Stanford should still be a top-10 team by the time they play the
Huskies- and they face Arizona before then as well.  I think Arizona is
good, but they are still going to lose to the Cardinal and the Huskies.

-- 
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From: rszczerb@tolstoy.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 14:53:12 GMT

How about Miami - Florida A&M.

	... a definite classic
From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: WEEKLY S.E.C. RANKINGS
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:49:05 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

>
>Looks like SEC teams are going to beat eachother and none will be in contention
>for National Championship.  'Bama is the last hope but I'm very
>sure that they will lose a game before Jan 1.  They still have to
>play Tenn, MSU and Auburn.
>
>But nobody can deny that SEC is the toughest conference from top to bottom.
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Ajay

Hear, hear!!
-- 
                                                The Rickster
                                                milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu
The only thing in life that you get
for free is your feelings hurt.
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From: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: Biggest Rivalry in the Country?
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:29:29 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.183013.5733@news2.cis.umn.edu>
   milius@proton.med.umn.edu (Bob Milius (BMEC)) writes:
 
>What are the biggest, oldest, most intense rivalrys in the country and are
>they as intense to both teams?
 
 
Well, I believe it has to the Texas A&M - University of Texas game
played on Thanksgiving night every year (unless some damn TV
scheduler moves it to another night).  To give an idea, A&M starts
building a bonfire in September (more than 2 months away).  Our
school fight song, which we sing no matter who we're playing goes
like this:
 
Good bye to Texas University,
So long to the Orange and the White.
Good luck to dear 'ole Texas Aggies,
they are they ones that show the real 'ole fight.
"The eyes of Texas are upon you",     (the name of tu's fight song)
that is the song they sing so well.
   *everyone then shouts "sounds like HELL"*
 
*the rest is not given, but you get the idea*
 
 
So now the question is:  Do the tea-sips think of us as their biggest
game?  (Naw, probably OU, and OU probably thinks of Nebraska, and
they think of .....)
 
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From: jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher)
Subject: I-AA stuff (Middle Tenn)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:24:18 GMT


N. Iowa deserves no 1. E. Kentucky is way overrated if they
can only manage a 20-10 over weak SE missouri. S. Illinois,
average at best, beat this team 44-38 and was leading by 30
points at one point.

Also, Middle Tenn. is way underrated.
If there's a quicker team in 1-AA, I'll eat my CRT. I'll bet
there are very few 1-A teams with  comparable quickness.
They have great speed - and they whipped 1-A Northern 
Illinois at NIU last week. Middle Tennessee could beat a lot
of Big 10 teams. They also have a very good soph. QB, some
fast receivers, decent defense. Their one loss was 48-7 at
Nebraska, and they were only down 14-7 at halftime. I dare
say Nebraska will beat some big 8 teams worse.

I expect them to do very well in the playoffs - and they
will whip E. Kentucky and win the Ohio Valley. This week
expect them to beat Austin Peay by 50 pts.

I would rate them 

N. Iowa
Middle Tenn.
Citadel
Troy St.
East St. Louis Sr.  #:^)
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From: gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka)
Subject: Re: What everyone who missed the ND-Stanford game wants to know
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 08:07:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.191827.979@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.171302.17686@news.nd.edu> rwood1@puccini.helios.nd.edu (richard wood) writes:
>>Go break into your piggy bank and buy yourself a clue!!
>>
>>Everyone has a bad day.
>
>Yeah, but the great teams still win!!! hint: Miami; NOT ND.
>
>Heard this joke today:
>	Rick Mirer(sp?) is a first round pick!
>
>>Rich
>
>Njan

Put your money where your mouth is Njan (but buy yourself that clue
before you lose the rest of your money).  Mirer will be picked very
early in the first round. (Trust Bill Walsh on that.)

Miami will be great when they can beat a team that makes its field goals!!

---
greg

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From: maretz@saturn.osf.org ( Maretz)
Subject: Notre Dame-BYU air (from Boston) and game tix avail
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:53:36 GMT

I have a pair of roundtrip air tickets from Boston, MA to South Bend,
IN for the weekend of the BYU game.  I bought them when airfares were
pretty cheap earlier this summer (they cost $188 each for the roundtrip),
but I can't use them.  The game is October 24th.  The rough details:

	- leave Boston c. 7pm on Fri. night
	- return to Boston by c. 10pm on Sunday night
	- one ticket under a male name, the other under a female name
	- to purchase the same tickets from American Airlines as of
	  five minutes ago is $290 per person.

If anyone is interested in these, please let me know.  It's probable,
though not certain, that I could get game tickets (at face value) for
you as well.

Please let me know whether you'll take the air tickets without the game
tickets, or whether you're only interested in the air tickets if the
game tickets are available.

				Andy Maretz
				maretz@osf.org
				617-621-8982
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From: ejk@dlogics.com (Rico Suave)
Subject: Re: AP Top 25 (Was Re: Miami Can Not Be Denied!!!)
Organization: Datalogics, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 17:21:25 GMT

apalon@stein.u.washington.edu (Andrew Alleman) writes:

>In article <dkm2.718918218@Isis.MsState.Edu> dkm2@ra.msstate.edu (David K. Magee) writes:
>>apalon@stein.u.washington.edu (Andrew Alleman) writes:
>>
>>>In article <TOMA.92Oct12142345@db.TC.Cornell.EDU> toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma) writes:
>>>>Miami and Wash play a common opponent, Arizona. If Arizona goes up to
>>>>Washington, and doesn't do as well as they did against Miami, then you
>>>>have your answer. Wash #1. If they do better than they did against Miami,
>>>>then Miami #1. 
>>
>>>I agree with you on this.  This will be the most reliable data point to
>>>apply when comparing Miami and Washington.  Transitive properties simply
>>>don't work in College football.  BTW - Washington plays AT arizona.
>>
>>This is absurd.  Folloe this logic:
>>
>>LSU beat Mississippi State 24-3.
>>Mississippi State beat Florida 30-6.
>>
>>By your logic, LSU shoud have destroyed Florida.  Florida beat LSU 28-21.

>Obviously you didn't read my statement very carefully.  I said
>transitive properties (ie. A beats B and B beats C therefore A is better than
>C) DON'T WORK in college football.  Your example supports my statement.
>Arizona is a COMMON OPPONENT between Miami and Washington, and therefore
>a more valid data point.

Regardless of who's reading who's statements correctly, consider this:
Purdue beats Cal 41-12 (or something close to that)
Washington beats Cal by only 19 (or something close to that)
Purdue lead Cal 38-3 at the half
Washington and Cal were tied 7-7 at half.

So, by your logic of "COMMON OPPONENT" I guess Purdue is much better than
Washington is, right?

In conclusion, either:
1.) Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, or
2.) shut the fuck up about Miami's "close" win over Arizona.

Sheeshz.

-- 

Later.
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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Best marching band
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:54:00 GMT

In article <YepArLu00UhW47UYB6@andrew.cmu.edu> William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>beckham@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Beckham) writes:
>>William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>>You're all wrong!
>>>The best marching band was my high school marching band!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>>PLEASE!!!  You must be joking...
>
>Naw, Jeff, I'm dead serious!  My 63 member high school band went up
>against Notre Dame's 150+ member band and blew them away!

I would think that any band could out do Notre Dame's band.  In 1980,
there was a practice for the combined pregame two days before the sUGAr
Bowl.  We (the Redcoats) arrived first and walked through practice.  When
the Notre Dame band arrived our more than arrogant band director decided 
we were to play.  So we did.  The (at that time) 220 strong (including
percussion) Redcoat band, in the empty Superdome, produced an echo so
loud that we had to restart our drill because the delay on the echo was
throwing everyone off.  Later, Notre Dame barely produced an echo in
the empty Superdome.

On game day, standing on the sidelines waiting for Notre Dame's band to
finish, we were having a hard time hearing them.  We figured they were
holding back a bit at practice.  They just stunk!  We, on the other
hand, produced an echo in the full Superdome.  There were over 77,000
and when we finished the opening (the theme to Goldfinger) we heard the
echo which pumped us up for a great show!!

We needed that to score points after what we did for pre-game, but
that's another story!!  :-)
-- 
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From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Review (10-10-92)
Keywords: Big Ten
Organization: UMCC
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 22:06:19 GMT

In article <Bw2oDz.4AG@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>Results of October 10:
[much text tossed away]
>	Elvis Grbac 177-111.  A Michigan Stadium record crowd of 106,788...
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Make that "an NCAA regular-season record".  :)
--
Steve
>| Randy Peppler               |
>| Illinois State Water Survey |
>| peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu    |
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Subject: Re: Penn State QB situation
From: Jeff Smith <JAS223@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:52:03 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Penn State University

Kerry is doing better since his finger injury and is taking snaps.  He probably
 won't play until Boston College (We needed him and Wally against Miami - NOT J
OHN SACCA).
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From: news@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Re: Central OH post - hit 'n' otherwise (WAS Re: Ohio State game thoug
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:43:45 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
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From: chee1jz@Jane.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: Virginia: same old 'hoos
Reply-To: chee1jz@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:56:25 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.032326.26930@hubcap.clemson.edu>, trev@hubcap.clemson.edu (Trevor Bauknight) writes:
>Thomas Swann <ts3m+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>>Now that we're not undefeated either, we can meet FSU on even terms.
>
>Go 'Ginia.
>
>>P.S. - Terry Kirby for Heisman
>
>Unfortunately, Kirby will likely miss three (or more) weeks after suffering
>a broken left shoulder-blade in Saturday's game with Clemson.  Not only
>will this seriously hamper his Heisman chances, it will also leave the
>Cavs without an important aspect of their offense.  
>
>Say!  Can anyone find out how Heisman candidates have performed against 
>Clemson?  I'm wondering about how Heisman trophy candidates do against 
>Heisman's old team...only two come to mind but I'm sure there must have 
>been more competing against the Tigers over the years.
>
>Herschel Walker at Georgia

>George Rogers at Carolina

		    against CU

84  Doug Flutie   1-0-1 in 82-83
83  Mike Rozier   lost in 82 orange bowl
71  Pat Sullivan  won in 71 homecoming game
59  Billy Cannon  6-3 win in 59 sugar bowl

>
>Anybody else?
> 
>Trevor Bauknight         trev@hubcap.clemson.edu    ...gatech!hubcap!trev
> 
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