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From: kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ on civil liberties and the WOD
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:55:57 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <1992Sep7.035839.894@genie.slhs.udel.edu> starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:
>...... the Republicans can nominate Weld for president, and we'll have a
>much better situation than at present.
>
>.........

I like Weld but I doubt he is going to get national attention for a
long time.  Politician are too often rated on the times that they
serve then on how they serve.  MA is doing purdy-darn-sh*tty right
now.  That doesn't make Weld look so hot.  Dukasis was foolishly
nominated because the Dems thought he brought about the short-lived
Mass-Miracle (or the Dmes thought the voters would think that).

I agree with most (but not all) of Weld's positions on issues and most
of his general principles (moral liberal, fiscal conservative) but I
think it'll be a while before he is a national figure.  I seriously
doubt he will get nominated in 96.  Five years is a long time though.
Who know what could change.

I agree that it the best thing coming out of a Clinton win would be
the weakening of the religo-facist side of the Republicans.  You can
never be sure though.  When Reagan got elected I thought there would
be a real moral-liberal backlash against that administration but all
America did during the Reagan years is put on blinders and mortgage
the future away.

-- 
An amazing insight may have paid you a fleeting visit and then retreated.
Resist the temptation to chase it; it is faster than you are.  Value your
glimpse of it, and invite it to return some other time.      -John Bitmap
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: New designer drug
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 19:49:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.000600.4009@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> luckey@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (
on Luckey) writes:
>aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>
>
>> Before the chemists out there turn on their flamers, I want to correct
an
>>error in my last post on this subject. I said something about OXIDATION
of
>>cathinone into ephedrine, but I MEANT REDUCTION. How could I have been 
o
>                ^^^^^^^^^
>>silly?
>
>Wow, does this mean that people can turn SUDAFED into cathinone just
>oxidizing it?  :)
>
>



 I suppose it's possible, if you use a reagent that will oxidize a
secondary alcohol into a ketone and will spare the side chain. It's also
possible to synthesize methamphetamine from ephedrine by reduction with
sodium amalgam.

St. Amalgam (Anthony)


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From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
Subject: Re: TIHKAL?
Date: 8 Sep 1992 23:49:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
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In article <1992Sep7.200102.6807@mits.mdata.fi> jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>   Has the book come out yet? If it has, where could it be ordered from?
>If not, does anyone have any idea when it might?
>-- 
>Jani Heinonen
>jah@mits.mdata.fi
>
----

	???

	What is it?

	I picked up a book called PIHKAL -- is that what you are referring
to?  I haven't had a chance to read it yet though -- but it looked
either to be great fact filled info, or a major work of fiction.

-wat-
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ap.2187@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] Okay, what is going on here....
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.2187@cupid.sai.com
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:41:08 GMT



Last time I tried this it didn't work at all...


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jon@MITRE.org
Subject: Re: UPDATE: F*** You All UPDATE!
Originator: jon@cyclone
Keywords: Some idiots shouldn't be allowed to use a keyboard without supervision
Organization: XXX 
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 21:36:54 GMT


In article <1992Sep13.220701.15569@husc3.harvard.edu>, sweeney@husc3.harvard.edu writes:

...... A whole bunch of stuff about dragging government authorities of
all kinds into something that doesn't concern them....


Hey, sweeny@husc3.harvard.edu,  Fuck YOU!  There.  I feel much better
now.

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Heroin
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:56:23 GMT
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X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


>I hear that it is most commonly shot with a needle, but comes in a powdered
>form. How is it sold, and in what general price bracket?

little glassine packets for like $25

>Also, what are the effects like, and especially the drawbacks? I have heard that
>it wastes the body by some method. How?  

Makes you puke; junkies don't spend money on food; see "Chocolate to Morphine"

>How easy is it to kick the habit, or get completely addicted?

Varies from person to person; if you get an intense "orgasmic" rush you should
probobly stop, this is a sign of organic addiction(IMHO). Check out some
medical references on morphine addiction for an unbiased account of morphine
addiction. Heroin is the same stuff (I believe its a couple of morphine
molecules linked together; when it gets into your blood the molecules become
unlinked.

>And pretty important: I hear that you can 'smel;l' heroin users, that their body
>odor gives them away somehow. Is this true, or another myth? And how easy is it

I think you are referring to something noted with respect to "speed freaks". 
Amphetamine junkies (supposedly) have some strong BO from constant use of their
drug of choice. Never heard of a similar effect from herion

>to detect whether someone is high on this or not?

Pinhole pupils with droopy eyelids is a dead givaway of someone doing strong
opiates (dilaudid, herion, morphine...)
 
freedom of info!


Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Subject: Re: Aus smokers - ACT decriminalises mull..
Reply-To: jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 03:03:06 GMT

In article <ck.716194296@iconix.oz.au>, ck@iconix (Chris Karadaglis) writes:
>"ACT reform puts law out to grass"
>
>People caught with small quantities of marijuana will have to pay only an
>on-the-spot fine under new laws passed yesterday by the Australian Capital
>Territory Legislative Assembly.

What - this is decriminalization?  Then Finland is also considering
decriminalization!

>While payment of the $100 fine will mean admitting guilt, no criminal record
>will exist under the legislation introduced by Independent MLA Micheal Moore
>and supported by the Labor minority government.

Same here.

>People possessing up to 25 grams (wow!) of marijuana or five cannibis plants 
>will have 60 days to pay the fine.

Here, possession of only 1-2 "one-timers" would be included in use -
though that's in the explanation only, and there's a danger it would
be ignored in practice.  In the explanation of the propsal they say
that also MJ produced in "certain growing environmetns" and thus low
on THC when compared to hash could be considered mild, and thus
grounds for calling it "rikkomus" (small crime/minor crime) and using
the fine proceedings with (I think) no crime record.

But it perhaps won't happen.  The last time the parliament _added_
criminalization of use to the law, while it has not there in the
proposal of the government.  Now the government (more propoerly head
of Justice dept.) didn't like the lower penalties on use, but the
"decriminalization"-style proposal has been in the media so it's still
possible for it to pass.

//Jyrki
From: ck@iconix.oz.au (Chris Karadaglis)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Aus smokers - ACT decriminalises mull..
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:51:36 GMT
Organization: Iconix Pty Ltd (World Headquarters)

From the Age newspaper a few days ago.

---

"ACT reform puts law out to grass"

People caught with small quantities of marijuana will have to pay only an
on-the-spot fine under new laws passed yesterday by the Australian Capital
Territory Legislative Assembly.

While payment of the $100 fine will mean admitting guilt, no criminal record
will exist under the legislation introduced by Independent MLA Micheal Moore
and supported by the Labor minority government.

People possessing up to 25 grams (wow!) of marijuana or five cannibis plants 
will have 60 days to pay the fine.

The amendments to the Drugs of Dependance Act gives the ACT and South Australia
the most liberal cannibis laws in the country, Mr Moore said.

Mr Moore initially wanted on-the-spot fines to apply to possession of up to
50g of marijuana, but the government watered down the law.

He said Australia should not ratify international treaties that restrict its
right to reform drug laws.

The reforms in the ACT will save time and money in the courts and will not
brand as criminals young people who get caught experimenting with marijuana,
he said.

---

This is great. I'm surprised labor (or any wimp government here) supported it.
Guess those courts must really be cluttered...

Shckwish!
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: JDs (was Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ ...)
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:23:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.001256.25626@news.cs.indiana.edu> hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager) writes:
}
}Breaking the subculture of youth gangs and substituting 
}something else in its place has been the prescription for several
}generations now.  In principle, there is nothing wrong with this.
}The biggest problem I have with Clinton -- and this applies to other
}drug warriors who point to gangs as the justification for the war --
}is that he obviously has only the most superficial kind of knowledge
}of the problem.  Drugs are functionally irrelevant to the problem of
}youth gangs.  The flucuations in drug use over the past 80 years have,
}so far as I know, not been tracked by gang membership or gang activity.
}Drug use is a symptom and not a cause.

I've excerpted the paragraph I object to in an otherwise agreeable post.

Absent drug prohibition, would youth gangs be able to afford automatic weapons?
Would they war over sales territory?  Would they recruit those that can be
tried as juveniles?

Not as much as with drug prohibition.

Youth gangs aren't necessarily a problem.  They're a problem if they engage in
impermissible activity, in which case the recourse is to criminalize the
activity and enforce the law, or if they engage in immoral activity, in which
case legal recourse is ineffective and inappropriate.  Persuasion and
education must be relied upon, and perhaps other consensual activities.  There
is no place for the state in this.

You note drug use as trivial, but marketing and distribution are highly
correlated with youth gangs.


Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Voltaire
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,talk.politics.drugs
From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: Clinton in _Rolling Stone_ on civil liberties and the WOD
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:42:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.003019.26237@news.cs.indiana.edu> hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager) writes:
}Could be.  I think Clinton's administration may well be a disaster,
}less because of Clinton than because the budget/credit problem is
}so intractable.  Clinton will be inheriting a god-awful mess that
}is made worse by the fact that traditional methods for goosing the
}economy aren't likely to work: cutting taxes ups the deficit which
}is a drain on the credit markets; raising taxes cools off the economy;
}increasing spending without raising taxes ups the deficit; cutting
}spending cools off the economy; etc, etc, etc.

Actually, we could solve our problems pretty easily.  Separate Banking
and State, then repeal all taxes except for a 10% national sales tax that
would have a sunset clause which would make it lose effect after 10 years
or the federal debt is paid off, whichever comes first.  Deregulate the
economy.  Then watch us boom!  We'd evolve the liveliest economy on the
planet and lead a global boom that would easily eclipse the '80s.  Privatize
maximally, cut spending...

Clinton might be able
}to get a handle on things in one term but the odds are against him.
}I see no evidence that he is willing to adminster the castor oil
}to the body politic that might allow the problems to be addressed --
}i.e., I see no evidence that the Clinton program is making a serious
}attempt to deal with "the mess" and tell the public that it's going
}to be very painful.

My diagnosis is that Clinton is simply ignorant about the efficacy of
government.  If spending programs had to include oppourtunity costs and the
tax collection costs in their cost/benefit analysis, his mind and that of
Congress would be greatly changed.

}Maybe the liberal Republicans will rise again.  I've predicted that
}cannabis would be legalized in the mid-90s and that conservatives
}would be in the forefront of the legalization movement.  We'll see
}what happens.

Our hope lies in an alliance between the free-marketeers of the Republicans
and the "moderates" or "liberals".  The ones who support social tolerance.


Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Voltaire
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mauax@warwick.ac.uk (Brazil)
Subject: Re: REWARD: Turn in your neighbor !
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:48:00 GMT

In article <65187@cup.portal.com> Amiga@cup.portal.com (Philip Barry Kirschner) writes:
>Your neighbor should not be turned in. WHat ever happened to privacy?.
>G-d what is this country comming to?.Does anyone have the answers?.


Your country matey!!!
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: haba@lesti.hut.fi (Harri "Haba" Suomalainen)
Subject: Re: Heroin
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
	<HABA.92Sep11195119@lesti.hut.fi>
	<1992Sep11.181222.18379@ux1.cts.eiu.edu>
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:25:41

In article <1992Sep11.181222.18379@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:


       Either you have no idea of what you're talking about in general, or you
   are mistaking the structure of morphine for another substance.  Morphine is
   highly asymmetric, has no discernable "halves", and remains a difficult
   synthesis.

There IS symmetry. Look at the 3 six-membered carbon rings and the
five-membered ring (with the Oxygen in it). That is the symmetry I meant.
I guess you've never studied synthesis designing. If you had, you should
see the symmetry without descriptions. I did not mean to suggest it is
symmetric, but if you take the couse of unsymmetry (N-containing bridge)
away, it will be. Adding it is certainly no problem.

       BTW, published THC syntheses are far less complex than those for
   morphine; the only difficult step is the separation of alkene positional
   isomers at the end.

I once needed to look up the THC synthesis for acatemical reasong. The only
one I found had some 50-100 steps. A very very long synthesis. 
--
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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Heroin
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:23:11 GMT

In article <HABA.92Sep11195119@lesti.hut.fi> haba@lesti.hut.fi (Harri "Ha
a" Suomalainen) writes:
>In article <1992Sep11.155322.9272@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> aankrom@nyx.cs.du
edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>
>    What? Synthetic morphine from what I have read is rather difficult t

>   make and probably not even worth it. 
>
>It certainly is not worth making while it can be easily extracted from
>the poppies. However, it is not hard to make. As a matter of fact
>the symmetry makes it very easy. (Just make the halves and combine them.

>Take a look at half of morphine and notice how simple it is!
>
>I guess your easy differs from mine. As an easy sysnthesis I mean someth
ng
>like 10 steps or so. Something like THC (50-100 steps) is what I conside

>(very) difficult.
>--
>--
>Harri Suomalainen        Harri.Suomalainen@hut.fi       haba@vipunen.hut
fi



 Maybe I should reviewthe syntheses. I could be thinking of the first
synthesis of it. Or perhaps I am thinking of the rather awkward, but
academic synthesis of morphine from phenanthrene.

 I'm sure there are several syntheses for THC which do not require 50-100
steps. Let me dig up my references... Of course the synthses that I am
thinking of may not be stereoselective.

St. Anthony

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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: TIHKAL?
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In article <eesnyder.715981036@beagle> eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eri
 E. Snyder) writes:
>aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Sep7.200102.6807@mits.mdata.fi> jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani
A
>> Heinonen) writes:
>>>   Has the book come out yet? If it has, where could it be ordered fro
?
>>>If not, does anyone have any idea when it might?
>
>> It's not out yet. It should be soon. How soon is soon I don't know...
>
>Have I missed something here?  Does Shulgin have a new one on the rails?
>_Tryptamines I Have Known And Loved_, perhaps?
>
>
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 Well it's top secret, see... The cat just got out of the bag... :-)

St. Anthony

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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Heroin
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:47:09 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <HABA.92Sep12202541@lesti.hut.fi> haba@lesti.hut.fi (Harri "Haba" Suomalainen) writes:

    [subject is the symmetry of morphine]
>
>There IS symmetry. Look at the 3 six-membered carbon rings and the
>five-membered ring (with the Oxygen in it). That is the symmetry I meant.

    Except that one of the rings is aromatic and the other one isn't.  From
a synthetic standpoint, this is not symmetry.  If such a symmetry element
existed, and as a result synthesis could be expedited, it would have
happened by now.

>I guess you've never studied synthesis designing. If you had, you should
>see the symmetry without descriptions. I did not mean to suggest it is

    You guess wrong.  I am an academician whose specialty is organic
synthesis and medicinal chemistry.  That's why I know that you are
incorrect.  Three rings in a phenanthrene-like arrangement may look
symmetrical, but when one is aromatic, the other isn't, and there are
stereochemically-defined substituents involved, it is clear that your
impression is a naive one.  Try making a model, and then tell me how
symmetrical it is.

>symmetric, but if you take the couse of unsymmetry (N-containing bridge)
>away, it will be. Adding it is certainly no problem.

   I mentioned this in my last post, but you accidentally deleted it ;-):
If the synthesis is so easy and symmetry-aided, post it!  Compound names
and reagents would suffice instead of structures, especially for a short
synthesis (you said something about 10 steps or so). 

>I once needed to look up the THC synthesis for acatemical reasong. The only
>one I found had some 50-100 steps. A very very long synthesis. 

    Please provide the reference, if you can.  I suspect you cannot.
-- 
   ******************************************************************
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 10:59:52 -0400 
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Idea for New Drug

Excerpts from netnews.alt.drugs: 9-Sep-92 re: Idea for New Drug
NXG103@psuvm.psu.edu (692)

 You have probably have heard of Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR).  This is
technology that merely allows doctors to look inside your body without cutting
you to pieces.
  Anyway, when they put you into one of these machines they strap you in to kee
p all movement to a minimum.  Why.  Because it causes a REALLY strong magnetic
field which affects the cells within your body, your brain also.  If you move w
hile in this strong magnetic field, a force is exerted perpendicular to your
direction of travel,  the effect--instant pudding for brains.
  If I were you I'd stick to the slow method of turning my brain to mush instea
d of this way.

my opinions are mine and are copyrighted
nate
----

This is one of the funniest things I've read recently.  Lemme guess,
they taught Nate some physics recently.

Pay attention, my friend.  NMR doesn't use a strong magnetic field; it
uses a *very* rapidly changing magnetic field that causes the electrons
in the material being studied to emit radiation similar in frequency to
radio waves.  It's effects are less noticable than those of an X-ray.

As to why you get strapped down, they want to keep you still so that you
don't move and cause blurred images, just like they do when they X-ray
you.

-Chuck

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