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From: Perry@mte.ncsu.edu (Bill Perry)
Subject: Re: Bills best in NFL--unquestionably!!! Yup
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 01:15:53 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.200313.15065@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh) writes:
>In <1992Nov23.163643.5682@pbhya.PacBell.COM> drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug
R. Hall) writes:
>
>>Exactly what is left for the Bills to get home field advantage? Four wins 
>>combined with someone else losing a game?
>
>
>right now, the bills currently hold a two game lead over all
>contenders (i say this because ALL games have been played this weekend
>that may effect this outcome, if the monday night game had
>implications on this, i would state it here, but it doesn't)... with 5
>games left... they need any combination of 3 wins and one loss by
>whomever would be tied with them... 
>
>jason
>

Just to follow up on why they are two games up:

The Dolphins and Steelers are both 7-3. but the Bills beat the Steelers, and
the Bills also have a better AFC-east record than the Dolphins, who they split
with.  In fact, Monday night's game had a four game swing, if the fins would
have won they would be ahead of the Bills by 2 games.

Bill 
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From: chris@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM ()
Subject: Re: Monday Night...FINAL SCORE!
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:00:40 GMT

In article <If2FbsS00WBOE2UaNN@andrew.cmu.edu> yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu (Young-Soo Che) writes:
>First of all, I did make the Bet I,II, or III, because they're stupid. 
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Taking all the bad calls into consideration, I am positive that the
>no-call on the intentional grounding by Jim Kelly, was by far the WORST.
> That was the one that actually decides the game, because the Bills
>would have been at 2nd and about 25.  The Dolphins would most likely
>have gotten the ball back with about 3minutes to go, and we all know
>that that's more than plenty of time for Marino to charge down the field
>for the winning score.  
>Everyone agreed that he threw it to avoid the sack, and that there was
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>no way he could have gotten the ball to McKellar.  He just let go of the
>ball on his way down, and the momentum of his flight took the ball 2
>yards in front of him towards McKellar.  And I'm not even complaining
>about the pass-interference, and I'll say that it was a legit call.
>One last thing, for those on the AAFC side for Bet III, why cheer on the
>Bills?  They're just a wasted no hope team.  That's a reason to cheer
>for the Fins, they can win a ring or two.

   Another example of fine writing.  The so-called intentional grounding
did not decide the game.  As far as I'm concernerd, Thomas _did_ score a
touchdown (it was called at the 1 yd line) and Metzellars (sp?) -did- catch
the ball in the end zone.  That should have been 7 pts., not the 3 that 
they settled for.

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From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
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Subject: Re: Niners squeek past Saints
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:45:56 GMT
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Sullivan (GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu) wrote:

> Man, what a game!

Whew! I agree..

> The defense changed in the 4th quarter, tightening coverage and
> blitzing.  The defense shares the credit for this win, giving the
> ball back to the offense 3 times in 4th quarter after go-nowhere
> Saints drives.

Credit Mora for this loss.

People keep talking about the Saints as an underachieving team. They
are. They have some superbly talented players, and now even Hebert can
be ranked among the NFL's current best. Mora, however, has time and
again screwed up the Saints' chances with his stupid play-calling.

He seems to have an especial complex about the 49ers (thank Heaven!
:-). There's something about playing SF that seems to tie Jimbo into
knots and reduce him to a babbling cretin!

How the *HECK* could he end up with 50 seconds and *THREE* timeouts,
and not call a SINGLE ONE?!  Oh yeah, and with 13 minutes to kill in
the 4th quarter, they got the ball *three* times, and passed on 7 of 9
plays (== 0 first downs, naturally). What a way to kill the clock! (I
think the Aints had the ball for all of 1 minute in the last
quarter!). Lost faith in Ironhead and Dalton, did ya, Jim?
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Week-11 Game with the Browns Crucial for Vikes.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:11:17 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


The Vikes are going to play a crucial game with the Browns and
I feel this is going to be a tough one.  The Browns, after
their tough loss to the Chargers will be desperate and the
Vikes also smarting after a tough loss to the Oilers. 

Though the Vikes seem locked on their Division title, if they
hope to get deep in the playoffs, they need to chalk out some
wins for securing home turf and a bye in week-1 of the playoffs.
After the game with the Browns, the Vikes go on a killer schedule,

@Rams, @eagles, 49ers, @steelers & Green Bay.

The Vikes need to win this one and go 500 in the remaining games.
But the Browns D is a toughie and this is going to be a tough
one for the struggling Viking O.

Any Comments and Brown fans what do u feel about this game.

S.H
From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: EARLY FINALS
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:37:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Nov15.213716.12235
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu


PHI 24   GB 27    F

PHO 17   ATL 20   F

WAS 16   KC 35    F

HOU 17   MIN 13   F  :-(

CIN 14   NYJ 17   F

SD 14    CLE 13   F

NE 37    IND 34   F/OT

DET 14   PIT 17   F


Jim
Go Vikings, Northstars, Cougars!
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Subject: Re: THE BET II
From: <JMC162@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:23:12 EST
 @andrew.cmu.edu> <By1D2s.9y2@acsu.buffalo.edu><1992Nov20.234134.19833@ncsu.edu> <92326.135404IO10928@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Organization: Penn State University

Listen, I tired of this.  There is absolutely no reason for us to let the Fins
fans back on the net.  We all entered the bet under good faith knowing that if
we lost, that would be it.  The winners of the bet deserve the satisfaction of
winning the bet, and the losers should face the consequences of losing the bet.
  I'm not trying to be a hard ass, but the reason for having the bet was to red
uce the number of name calling incidents one way or another.  I think that this
 purpose is being filled.  I responded through email to this vote already but n
ow I am going to vote publically.  N O - NO!!

Joe C. - A Frank Reich Wanna Be - A Proud Winner of the Bet II
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:23:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Whiners 21, Saints 20
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

I know what I hate...people who try to look cute by writing with a *cajun*
accent.  Give me a break.  Dem Saints blew it big time.  Why would you
want another trip to SF?  Just think of the pain you will suffer after the
Aints lose a 3rd game to SF.

Don Boell
'Just win baby'
From: v130pwbq@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (ANTI-CHRIST)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Buffalo at Miami
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:53:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I was wondering if anyone can tell me if the status of Andre Reed and
John Offerdahl have changed. Last I knew both were Questionable. 

If by chance Offerdahl does not play, I would have to pick Buffalo to win.
Miami's Defense has not been able to perform when Offerdahl isn't playing.
In 1990 the Miami D was 7th in the League and Offerdahl played every game.
Last year when he was lost for the season the D dropped to something like
24th in the League and this year the Dolphins are 1-2 when Offerdahl hasn't
played. 

As a Dolphin fan I hope to GOD that John will suit up and play at least 2 
quarters of football. Otherwise Jeff Cross is going to have to step up and
play as he did in 90' and the secondary is going to have to play as they
did here in Buffalo.

Whoever wins tonight I just hope it is a close and well played game for both 
teams. I have a feeling though that all the pressure is going to be put on
Marino and co. to outscore the Bills. 

One thing I forgot to mention, which Bills fans can clear up, is according to
the Buffalo paper the Bills defense will most like double, triple, and sometimes
even have four players defending against Kieth Jackson. I would like to know
who they plan on covering Duper, Clayton, Humphery, and Paige if two or more
players are going to be on Jackson all night. According to the Bills, stopping
Kieth jackson is their #1 priority tonight. For the Bills sake I hope their 
joking cause Marino and the Marks bros. will tear them apart.
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   |   Miami Dolphins and Hurricanes:        * Eric Orologio " Dr. O"    |
   |   Two of the Best teams in Football!    * V130pwbq @ubvms           |
   |_____________________________________________________________________|
From: q2dt@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: AFC TEAMS STINK
Date: 15 Nov 92 20:14:03 GMT
Organization: University of New Brunswick

In article <1992Nov15.190835.18444@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>>`86 Giants, 
>I'm pretty sure the NFC championship was less of a smear than the SB.

Are you serious?  The Giants beat the 49ers 49-3 in that game, knocking
Montana out of the game.  The Super Bowl was 39-20. 

>>Close Games: `87 Redskins, `90 Giants
>But one-sided in the SB.     ^^^^^^^^^

Bullshit.  You call 20-19 one-sided?  It was the closest Super Bowl ever.  

cjt
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From: sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma)
Subject: Re: They might be faking it... 
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 05:09:34 GMT

In article <722036491snx@smok.demon.co.uk> richard@smok.demon.co.uk (Richard Clyne) writes:
>
>Why does the defensive team NEVER turn down the delay of game (which is an
>optional penalty) if the offense deliberatly go for it?
>Richard Clyne

If memory serves me correctly, delay of game is a dead-ball penalty..
meaning that the defense rarely has anything to gain by turning down
the penalty.  The only possible gain would be if the defense didn't
want the offense to have more room to punt the ball inside the
10-yard line.  But then, I could be wrong..




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From: cliffr@pyuxf.uucp (25347-roberts)
Subject: NY Giants
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: regional
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:08:46 GMT


For those of you who hold Giants season tickets and do not want to 
go or can't go, email me back.
I'm a big Giants fan and I would like to make a game before the seasons
over.

cliff

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From: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Jonathan Saari)
Subject: Re: Monday Night...FINAL SCORE!
Reply-To: saari@chdasic.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola SPS ASIC, Chandler, AZ
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:07:13 GMT

In article J7I@acsu.buffalo.edu, carrato@acsu.buffalo.edu (Michael Carrato) writes:
> yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu (Young-Soo Che) writes:
> 
> >First of all, I did make the Bet I,II, or III, because they're stupid. 
> >Taking all the bad calls into consideration, I am positive that the
> >no-call on the intentional grounding by Jim Kelly, was by far the WORST.
> 
> McKeller was about 2 yards from where the ball landed. If he would have
> CAUGHT that ball, would you still say it was intentional grounding?
> 
> When a receiver is in the area of the ball, intentional grounding
> is not called. It was not called on Marino in the first half either,
> when Clayton was 10 yards from where Marino threw it away.
> 
> Good no call in both cases.
> 
> 
> Mike

Good Call??? The rule doesn't say anything about a "receiver in the area" ...

It says that if the QB throws with the "intent to avoid a sack" it is intentional
grounding. Now, I admit, this is a judgement call. I do believe, however, based upon
the reactions of fans around the country, announcers, and just about everybody, that
that WAS INTENTIONAL GROUNDING!! Obviously at least two people disagree, the referee
and the person who posted this article....

I am not a Bills nor a Fins fan, so no bias is involved in this appraisal.

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From: DXR111@psuvm.psu.edu (Deepak AKA Icepak, Backpak, Pakster etc.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: HUH?!?!?!
Date: 16 Nov 92 04:57:45 GMT
Organization: Penn State University
X-Subliminal-Message: oomogswoc rules!!!!

So the Patriots one, big deal.  They were due to win a game sooner or later.
The Colts just happened to be the first team against whom the Patriots didn't f
ind a way to throw the game away.  Couple that with the fact that the Colts are
n't any kind of juggernaut, and it isn't much of a surprise that they were the
team to lose to the Patriots.

                                            Pak
From: bstuart@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Ben Stuart)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: MY apology to Green Bay
Summary: GB over Phily
Keywords: Eagle fan eats words
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:59:23 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

As Randall takes it in the head for his comment about Green Bay before
the game last week, I too must recant.  In my posting "Eagles #1
Quarterback", I also assumed an easy victory over the Pack.  I believe
the comment went something like...  "Randall should really be able to
boost his confidence in the game at Green Bay", obviously because I felt
that the GB defense was going to be nonexistent.  If any defense was on
vacation, it was Phily's - because every Eagle and every Eagle fan said
the same thing about how EASY this victory would come.  The Pack proved
once again that any team on any day can beat any other (ask Miami).

Ben
From: v128r82w@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Ralph L d'Ambrosio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Big Time Error
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:00:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


O-boy I hope I picked up on this on time.

After I posted my prediction I accidently forget all about the Oilers. 
Therefore I wish to correct my predictions by saying that the final
wildcard spot for the AFC will probable be between the Chargers and the 
Oilers. 

THe Browns, Colts, and Raiders are slim possiblities.


I hereby apoligize (sp?) to any and all Oilers fan out there.
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From: chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey)
Subject: Re: it is starting again.... Re: Packers starting QB
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 20 Nov 92 03:37:32 CST

AHHH yes, It WILL be truly enjoyable to see the Packers go into the waste of
space to the south and see them disapoint the hopes of 70,000 Ferret fans.  By
the way where did you learn to spell? Did good old Danny boy teach you?


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From: bud@sequent.com (Pat Hauke)
Subject: Need some Help on New Orleans!
Keywords: Dalton Hilliard
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 19:26:15 GMT

I heard a rumor that McAfee would be starting this week against the Redskins.
Is there any truth to this rumor?
Why would they bench Hilliard? He has been doing marvelous!

Please help! I have a bet on New Orleans!

THANKS IN ADVANCE!!!!

bud                         !
Pat Hauke		    ! 49ERS: SB WIN #5!
Sequent Computer Systems    !
From: rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: bottom
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:38:16 GMT
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In article <1992Nov19.143710.26695@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
>
>I HATE DALLAS!  

Aw, geez, Joe, they're so fond of you!!

>                But if the Cowboys were to make it to the NFC Championship
>game against the 49ers this season, I will put my hatred aside and root
>for Dallas for the first time in my life.  

Alright, Joe!!  Hop on the bandwagon!!!!  Once you get on,
you'll never get off!!!



Ray     GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: se03@titus.nextlab.cs.qub.ac.uk (Keith Armstrong)
Subject: BUFFALO
Organization: University of Oulu
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:59:00 GMT

Good luck to the Bills tonight at Miami - I hope to God they win.  Not  
much news gets throgh to Northern Ireland, so any NFL stuff will be  
appreciated.

	See ya - The Belfast Child.
From: chuck@mtechca.maintech.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: L.A. Raiders!!!!!!!
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:32:05 PST
Organization: MAINTECH, A division of Volt Delta Resources,Inc. Orange, CA.

In article <david_w.1@aci_1.aci.ns.ca>, david_w@aci_1.aci.ns.ca (DAVE WALSH) writes:
> After reading through all of the topics on pro football, I failed to see 
> anything on the GLORIOUS RAIDERS.  Clearly, they epitomize the very meaning 
> of pro football.  Doesn't anybody care enough to post something about the 
> Raiders.  
> 
>    ATTENTION: Calling All Raider Fans!!!!  Show your commitment to excellence
>    and POST SOMETHING TODAY.
> 
> YOURS RAIDERLY
> DAVE W.


>>THE "GLORIOUS RAIDERS"????  How about the "OLD TIMERS CAMP".....
>>Al has to give the reines to Art if the Raiders are ever going to be
>>what they were 10 years ago.
>>In the meantime.....GO BRONCOS!!!!
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Subject: Re: Refs Calls (+ attention Dave Mikesell)
From: rx84335@mcvax2.d48.lilly.com (BENVENGA MARK J)
Date: 20 Nov 1992 07:52 EST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Lilly Research Laboratories
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    Lines: 22

In article <1736@niktow.canisius.edu>, bittle@niktow.canisius.edu (Jason Bittle) writes...
> 
>Well, a comment about that, with this hypothetical situation:
> 
>Say a receiver catches the ball at the 10 yard line.  He runs for the corner
>of the endzone.  At approx. the 1/2" yard line, he get's knocked out of
>bounds, but has never physically made contact with out of bounds.  (I.e. he's
>still in mid-air, floating if you will.)  Can he still score a touchdown, if
>he sneaks the ball inside the cone?  (it's a great trick)..
> 
 Yes.  A player is not considered out of bounds until he
 physically touches the sideline.  So a player could reach
 the ball inside the pylon for a TD.  In fact, Jerry Rice
 does it quite often.

 Mark.

> 
>-- 
>ciao,                             
>Jason Bittle (bittle@canisius.edu) 
>(a.k.a. Pillsbury Dough Boy )
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From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Subject: Re: DECEMBER 28, 1975   VIKES GET SCREWED!!!
Originator: delarocq@c00505-119rd.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:41:06 GMT





  Gosh, that makes me feel bad about the snowball thing..
  I knew they did it, but that's terrible... :(

  What do you expect, Buffalo had nothing to cheer about anyway, 2-14.. *sigh*
-- 
delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


      
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1991,1992 AFC Conference Champions

Hungry for some fish.. Monday Night Football, November 16, 1992..

If you are a Buffalo Bills fan, email me at delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu
so we can talk all about the games, insight, etc.
If you are a Packers fan, let me know. I am interested in any news
out of Green Bay...
A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BILLS COALITION TAKING THE BET II.
From: stephenl@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Stephen Lamar Legate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Predictions
Summary: it don't take much to predict things after half the season's gone
Keywords: predicktions, cojones
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:09:33 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

Who are these cheezheads who are making earth-shattering "predictions" 11 
weeks into the season?  

You guyze don't understand.  Anyone with cojones had their predictions in and
down before the first snap of the regular season.

-Chundarr the Barbarian
 And his Friendly Dog, Gunthor.

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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Re: Trivia - The Answer
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:35:57 GMT

richard@smok.demon.co.uk (Richard Clyne) writes:

>Which Quarterback active last season has lost the most games they have
>started?

I assume you are talking lifetime...

It would have to be Deberg... hes lost 80+ games in his career

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From: tf0y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Todd Harris Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions Week 12
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:47:58 GMT
Organization: Univ Rel - Kathleen, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Thomas E. Schmidlin comments on Koontz Picks for Week #12:

>I think you really need to find yourself a new algorithm.  Look at these games
>(Games deleted throughout)
>>
>>Atlanta        21
>>Buffalo        52
> 
>Maybe the right winner, but by 31?  I don't think so Tim.

Amazingly similar margin of vistory to 49ers vs. Falcons.
 
>>Green Bay      27
>>Chicago        10
> 
>Maybe the other way around

There must be a Packers clause in this program.  Wasn't it 37-3 last week?
 
>>Indianapolis   24
>>Pittsburgh     20
> 
>No way.  STEELERS 27 colts 7

How about an injury factor here?  Like on the Colts' defense.
 
>>Dallas         24
>>Phoenix        31
> 
>Funny.  Unrealistic, but funny.

That looks like some merger of the 49ers-Cards score and the
Rams-Cowboys score.
 
>>San Francisco  21
>>LA Rams        26
> 
>Switch the scores

Same as the last game above.
 
>>NY Jets        13
>>New England    27
> 
>Not a chance.  jets by 10.

They win once and score a lot of points and look what happens.
 
>>Kansas City    17
>>Seattle         6

Looks pretty similar to EVER Seahawks game so I guess there is no argument.
 
>Give the chiefs 4 more points, and take 3 from the seahawks

These predictions look like they are based too much on scores against
common opponents and tied directly to the previous weeks performance.

Todd
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