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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:29:30 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Webster's online
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> > Why does list mail tonight remind me of conversations in Eudora Welty's
> > short stories?
>
> Because there are so many streams of consciousness floating around onscreen?

Yep.  I didn't mean to stay online this long tonight, but I've been
enjoying the streams.  I keep worrying about that poor person with the
sister being done-in by the shrink though.  Sounds like good material
for "Sixty Minutes," but I don't think they could help in time.

I really am logging off now!
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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In article <WORDS-L%92101406551254@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> GUBERT@UKCC.UKY.EDU writes:
:drive a train or remove an appendix, etc.  However, engaging in the
:behavior is not sinful, rather it is piety.

Actually I consider 'true belief' a sufficient sign of mental incompetance
of its own.  I'd feel distinctly worried if I knew that my pilot was
a sky pilot too...

G
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such folks to leave me alone is to tell them that one superstition is as
good as another -- which I probably believe.

JAG
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 09:10:32 MST
From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
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On Wed, 7 Oct 1992 10:10:00 +0100 <torkel@SICS.SE> said:
> >(Anyone else here except me ever been court-martialled?)
>
>  No, but I've been jailed...

me too.....with 26 drunken Indians in Kingman Arizona....great fun....


dan
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 13:00:54 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reality vs. Rhetoric
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> (More like Reality Check...)
> QUAYLE:  "...your Global Marshall Plan would cost $100 billion dollars!"
> GORE:    "I never said that!"
> QUAYLE:  "Yes you did, on page 304 of your book!"
> A-hem.
>         "Charles Maier points out that the annual U.S. expenditures for
> the Marshall Plan between 1948 and 1951 were close to 2 percent of our GNP.
> A similar percentage today would be almost $100 billion a year."
>
>                                 Gore, Albert, "Earth In The Balance",
>                                 Houghton Mifflin, New York, 1992, p. 304.

I'm not sure what your "A-hem" means.  Could you provide more context for
the quotation?  Quayle's statement says "your Global Marshall Plan."  What
you've quoted from Gore's book doesn't show the connection.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:55:58 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
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> No, the system administrator there wanted them off.
>    --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

It just occurred to me that I should probably add that the system
administrator said, "We are in the process of changing the procedures
hear [sic] for the students on using the Internet."  This was happening
before our recent visit from Country et al.  They're relatively new on
internet and are still getting their policies etc. worked out.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Posted on 12 Oct 1992 at 12:14:48 by (Natalie Maynor)
>Right.  Clinton said something like "might could."

What other double modals regularly occur?  'might could' is the one
I hear all the time.

Karen
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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In a previous article, "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 " (815) says:

>> Probably about the same number of economists it takes to change a lightbulb?
>
>Interesting.  I thought that number was none.  They wait for the
>invisible hand to do it.
I thought they would wave a dead flip chart over it, and the light supply
would magically increase all on its own, as the demand has already increased
due to the current absence of illumination.:-)
 
>> Seconded - my kid sister, also an economics weenie, has been bitching about
>> this one for as long as Bush has been ignoring said economists.  Maybe we
>> should have sent him my sister.<grin>
>Well, don't send her to me unless you want her to be totally
>corrupted.
Too late!  I was thinking of sending her to the next President, and letting
her find a creative outlet for her urges to chew the polidiots out.:-)  Of
course, if you're sure you can handle her....

>Nope.  Administrators.  Department meetings.  Preparing to cover the
>class Bill S. would have taught.  No time for narrow gauge video.
Accccccccckkkkkkk!!!!  No wonder you were tired - make time to zone out a bit;
you've probably been doing it in those meetings already.:-)  Meetings like
that are enough to make teaching look soothing.
>
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:24:55 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Double modals

It was CLinton who said "might ought to look at" something.  I don't
think Perot did say "might could", but I'll have a look at the
transcript.  Clinton's use grated on me--a bit.  And I'm even half
Arkansas primitive.  All in all, we might ought elect somebody else.

-Mka
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 13:34:00 CDT
From:         "Jim Thomas (tk0jut1@niu.bitnet)"
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Subject:      Getting Gore Right.....

John helpfully cites:

   >        "As a result, the responsibility for taking the
   >initiative, for innovating, catalyzing, and leading such an
   >effort, falls disproportionately on the United States.  Yet in
   >the early 1990s our instinct for world leader-ship often seems
   >not nearly so bold as it was in the late 1940s.  The bitter
   >experience of the Vietnam War is partly responsible, and the
   >sheer weariness of carrying the burden of world leadership has
   >taken a toll.  Furthermore, we are not nearly as dominant in the
   >world economy as we were than, and that necessarily has
   >implications for out willingness to shoulder large burdens.  And
   >our budget deficits are now so large as to stifle our willingness
   >to consider even the most urgent of tasks"

The above came from p. 304 (in the para prior to the now-infamous
Quayle quote).  Quayle claimed that the citation was hard evidence
that Clinton/Gore would pass ecological cleanup costs on to the
taxpayer.  Careful readers will note that nothing Gore wrote in this
chapter so-indicates. Further, responsible leadership that aspires to
see the U.S. as *the* major world leader should have no qualms against
the US leading the initiative to for "innovating, catalyzing, and
leading such an effort." Where in that phrasing does it claim that the
US taxpayers should foot the bill? To claim, as Quayle did, that
taxpayers will be asked to foot the alleged $100 billion a year cost
is gross distortion. In fact, Gore said the opposite. The title of the
chapter (chapter 15, "A Global Marshall Plan") is an argument for
exactly the opposite. Beginning on p. 295, Gore recognizes the
inter-connectedness of the world economy (and ecology) and calls for
*sharing* of responsibilities, including costs. He uses the Marshall
Plan as a working model of joint international cooperation. Quayle's
comment (and those who repeat it as "fact") is absurdly wrong. If a
student were to interpret that chapter as Quayle (or more likely Mary
Matalin) did, that student would receive an F.

As others have admonished: The text is there for those willing to read
(pp 1-303 and 305-368, excluding notes & index). I doubt that
Ausbrook's, John's, or Quayle's interpretations were based on those
pages.

Jim (don't wait for the movie) Thomas
From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Date: 7 Oct 1992 20:20:11 GMT
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In a previous article, rita@EFF.ORG (Rita Marie Rouvalis) says:

>55,000 DEAD IN HARTFORD CONNECTICUT
>
>The entire population of the  quiet insurance capitol of Hartford
>Connecticut has been classified as dead by the U.S. Goverment since 1989.
>Officials discovered this while investigating an apparent lack of
>minorities sitting on Harford juries.  It was revealed that not only
>were there few minorities selected for jury duty, but there were no
>residents of Harford itself.  The virtual death of the city is being
>blamed on a computer glitch.
>
This is true - it was front page news in the Hartford Courant, banner headline
and all.  What happened was a big computer glitch.  The 'd' in Hartford was
evidently read as "deceased" but the computer that selects jurors. What
Rita didn't mention is that the city/town/whatever of New Britain was also
marked "deceased", and there's a major courthouse downtown.  

I know because I was called for jury duty myself this year, and was supposed
 to go in on Tuesday.  However, the night before, the automated check-here-
first message said everyone scheduled for that didn't have to report.  What
really happened may be that someone screamed loud enough that we nonrandomly
selected potential jurors were called off.  THey *said* that no court cases 
were selecting juries that day.[do we believe them?  maybe......]

Someone should have noticed that something was wrong long before now.  My
family did - all four Hanschka in Connecticut have been called for duty
in the past 15 years, some more than once.  And this, in an area with over
125,000 people?  Something was rotten in the state of Hartford County.  THere
are more licensed drivers and registered voters than that around here....

Tales from the Weird indeed....

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Date: 16 Oct 92 20:57:00 GMT
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Greetings,

Point taken.

Marty
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject:      Re: Clinton and, well, you know
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>>> Is it my imagination or are all the Clinton partisans on this list, er,
>>> compositionally challenged?
>>>
>>> -abh
>>
>>        No.
>
>Oh please. And all this time I was giving you credit for having a mind of
>your own.

Did the answer imply that it wasn't "your imagination" or that "all the
Clinton partisans......"are not "compositionally challenged" or "no" to both?

Carolyn (who is ambiguously challenged)
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:57:34 -0400
From:         "(Agnes Kruchio)" <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: Respite from the Kiddies
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              Oct 7, 92 10:31 am

>
>   >_Jailed_, Torkel?
>   >*Whatever* for?
>   >-Causing riots on e-lists with your .gif?
>
>   Haha. I am beginning to detest that .gif.

Just teasing. I never did see it. You *may* be worth it, but it was
just too much work (plus I don't have some crucial h/s/ware components.)

No, but you may be able to
> guess what I was jailed for if I tell you that I did three short separate
> stints, amounting to 5 months in all.

I am probably too <dense>, but I haven't a clue. Disorderly conduct?
Driving under the influence (it's pretty serious stuff in Sweden, no?)?

>
>  >-*NOT* taking me to Spain?
>
>   You're welcome to take my place in the group! There are 22 people, and
> not a girl among them. We won't be going to Barcelona, but those
> interested will check out the World Expo, on its very last day.
>

Alright! Where do I sign up? When do we leave?
(as you can tell I am rather fed up - haven't been anywhere in ages).

But I do have to get to bed now, for a little while at least. [THAT will
be a novelty.]

Holla
Agnes
From: ST401601@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (Bill Merrill)
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Date: 13 Oct 92 15:19:55 GMT
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> I for one have been through Ludlow,
>although I can't remember anything about it. I wonder how many other
>list members have been there? -Rod

There is an entrance to the Mass Pike in Ludlow. I once spent an
eternity there one afternoon trying to hitch a ride. After about
4 hours a guy with longer hair than mine (this was in 1967 or 68)
and full-tilt hip regalia comes up, plops down his backpack and
produces a sign that says "Detroit." A few cars go by, and what
do you know, he gets a ride, just like that. "Well!" I thought.
I fished around in my pack for my notebook, found a blank piece
of paper and in big, bold letters printed "Detroit" on it. This I
presented to the oncoming traffic. A few cars went by, and sure
enough, I got a ride, just like that.
Bill "These days I just ride the T"
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>Ambassador to China is hardly 'on your own' -- dealing with the culture
>on its terms, not yours.
Well, he didn't take his momma, did he?
-abh
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Barbara didn't go? Seriously, though, he did bring along the public teat/
pacifier -- large staff and the comforts of home.

JAG
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
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On Fri, 9 Oct 1992, Rita Marie Rouvalis wrote:

> 	Sounds like you need to set the clock back on your machines,
> to me.

No, the really good packages write to the program once you hit the wall so
setting your clock back doesn't fool anything once you've expired. You
really do have to buy a new authcode.

-abh
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Subject:      Ross II

Greetings,

For those social misfits who have nothing to do on Friday nights but read
e-mail and watch tv, Ross is rebroadcasting his infomercial at 9:30 on
your ABC affiliate.

Don't worry, Bayla, I'm not enamored of this paramilitary, paranoid,
techno-twit.  I just think it's interesting to hear radical ideas
from someone who not long ago was considered a plausible candidate
for the presidency.  I'm wondering which, if any, ideas might
take hold (by all odds, the likely ones are the paranoid ones).

Marty
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Subject:      cracking wise about inhaling

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Hey, you can bet that if I smoked pot, I inhaled!!  Remember
Twain's discussion of sin: if you're going to sin, better to choose
the sins of commission?
Steve Karlson
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What makes you think smoking pot is a sin?  Some folk consider it a
sacrament.

JAG
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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:39:00 PST
From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Clinton's letter and stuff

>Is this why you're the colpleat storyteller -- even if you have to make
>up the 'details'?
>
>JAG

J, please don't be offended, but what the heck is "copleat"?  Was that supposed
to have been "complete" with a few finger-slips?

Chris
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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
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>I thought the whole thing was embarrassing.  It wasn't shown overseas,
>was it?  Please, tell me it wasn't!

Sorry, I can't tell you that, John! But it might make you feel a little better
to know that we only saw about three minutes of it during our news broadcast
.... that was more than enough for me. However, since we receive the Today
Show by direct telecast from NBC, I suspect that there was a lot more about
it available for those interested enough to stay up until 2.30am to watch it.
It appears to have lost out to sport for a prime-viewing timeslot....including
American League Baseball.

Carolyn
was broadcast in full
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From:         "Jim Thomas (tk0jut1@niu.bitnet)"
 <TK0JUT1%NIU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: Reality vs. Rhetoric

Marty invites:

   >This allegation that words-l is a forum for pro-Clinton rhetoric
   >is pretty silly.  Has anyone done a listometric analysis of how
   >many messages are pro-Clinton vs. how many are pro-Bush or
   >pro-Perot?

Heh.
  "Here we come to save the day.......
   Project-H is on its way...."
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From:         "(Ruth M. Hanschka)" <ap290@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU>
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>
>> When did it come out?  I've never seen it, but there are copies of both
>> Sleuth and Dirty Rotten Scoundrels laying around.  It's hard to believe that
>> he wasn't working back during the Silent Era.:-)
>> >
>I think it came out in 1964...and he's not *that* old!  I also liked him
>in _Educating Rita_.

That was two years before I was born, so in my frame of reference, he's older.
Maybe not *old*, but certainly of the previous generation, or maybe the one
before that.:-)  Educating Rita was a blast; what I really liked about it was
that Rita didn't wind up with Caine's charecter in the end.

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From: ap290@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth M. Hanschka)
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Date: 14 Oct 92 20:42:47 GMT
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In a previous article, CHRISS%CWU.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Lobstrosities Unite) says:

>
>I gotta get me one of those machines.  You know, the kind that takes money and
>turns it into shit that comes out of your mouth.
I'd rather have a machine that turned s**t into money, m'self.   Preferably
Swiss francs or something equally solid.  Gold coins, maybe?

>More important than money, Mr. Rogers, is how many friends you made last year,
>and how many you kept.
And are they the kind of friends who would stick around if your bank account
went belly-up and your beemer got totaled.  

>Is it not a beautiful day in your neighborhood or something?  Someone steal
>your sneakers or is Speedy Delivery just late?
I think his little red trolley went on strike, and his sweater got stolen.
King Friday probably turned down an improper proposition too.  That may have
been expected, but when Elaine Fairchild did too....  Well, he's taking his
frustrations out on the net.

>
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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:47:38 +0100
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: gas tax
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              08 Oct 92 14:40:36 -0400. <9210081841.AA03798@sics.se>

  >What state do you live in. $.99 for gas.
  >I'm from Upstate NY. The lowest gas is around
  >here is $1.29. I've seen leaded gas for $1.03
  >when I was in Nevada a couple months ago.

  These differences are insignificant from a European perspective. Didn't
Graham mention $4 per gallon as a British figure? I don't know anything
about gas or gallons, but gas is considerably more expensive in Sweden
than in Britain.
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Date:         Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:34:43 CDT
From:         "(Natalie Maynor)" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Time Change?
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Does the time change (in most of the U.S., that is) this weekend?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)