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From: hoff@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Eric Hoffman)
Subject: Re: Wisconsin beats Michigan State!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:16:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.135521.11043@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.081753.28381@hemlock.cray.com> jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau) writes:
>>It would be good to see Wisconsin make the tourney this year.  When's the
>>last time (ever?)
>
>Wisconsin won the NCAA in 1941.  I don't think they've made it since then,
>but it is hard to say.  They probably should have gone in 1989, but they

After their title in 1941, Wisconsin made one more trip to the NCAA tourney 
a few years later, I think it was 1949.

>I seriously doubt they get in the NCAA's...
>They'd have to go 10-8 to get in the Big Dance, and I
>really don't see that happenning.

I really don't see the NCAA not inviting any team that goes 9-9 in Big 10
play.  Some team might even make it in at 8-10.

>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu


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From: wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley)
Subject: Re: Can IU go unbeaten?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:05:33 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
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No way IU goes undefeated in the Big 10.  Period.  They will lose a game that
they probably should win somewhere, somehow.  Hopefully against Northwestern.

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From: kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers)
Subject: Re: The art of getting fouled. Re: tOSU 69 - IU 96
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:53:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.182144.19539@news.acns.nwu.edu> marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski) writes:
	(preaching deleted) 
>
> ... it is important for players to learn the art of
>getting fouled.  And for coaches.  One would think this is elementary
>basketball theory and practice, like aavoiding 5-second calls.
>
>Indiana and other teams as good as Indiana master the art of drawing fouls.
>They are also very, very good at making it look like they are being fouled.
>

Painful as it is for me to be agreeing with a worshipper of
St. Bobby, the man has a point.  I was recently browsing though
a friend's coaching book, and the article by Dean Smith put 
great emphasis on running an offense designed to draw fouls. 

Ken B.
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Big Ten Update (1-27-93)
Date: 28 Jan 1993 19:41:23 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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Keywords: Big Ten

In article <C1J42H.38x@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
>I promised to get back to you by Monday, and now it's Wednesday.  I'll just
>relay the scores below with the updated standings and all new ratings, with a
>comment about each game if I have one.  The California trip was good.  
   
   Hmmmm. Randy goes out of town and the Badgers wins three Big Ten games in
   a row for the first time in a few years. They get their first national
   ranking in about 18 years. 

   Then Randy comes back and UW has a typical loss at Illinois....
   Randy, I think you should take vacations to Cali. more often. :-)

   --salty
From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Can IU go unbeaten?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:19:37 -0500
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
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In-reply-to: crosen@sss.cba.ua.edu's message of Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:26:20 GMT

}} In article <crosen.5.727665980@sss.cba.ua.edu> crosen@sss.cba.ua.edu (Charles Rosen) writes:
}} 
}} In a conference with Michigan, Iowa, and Glen Robinson,

I like that.  It's a perfect summary of the Boilermakers.  What stops
IU from going undefeated in conference play won't be these teams, at
least not directly.  It'll be the fact that they can't rest against
OSU, Minnesota, Illinois, MSU, Wisconsin.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu                 Steve Chapin                 ...!purdue!sjc
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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Re: Can IU go unbeaten?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 12:50:57 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <1jkqvnINNr47@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
|> 
|> Every other game or so, you hear Dickie Vitale commenting, "No one will ever
|> go unbee-in in the Big 10 again."  Well, IU is an AMAZING 5-0 in Big 10
|> play, with 13 (?) games to go.

No way. IU has been blessed with some scheduling advantages so far. We are 
an experienced team facing some young teams at the right time.

1. We got to play Michigan without Ray Jackson.
2. Purdue is still trying to figure out which way you put the jock straps on.
3. Illinois will be a good team later in the year.

IU will lose to Michigan at home and Minnesota and possibly Wisconsin on the 
road. Michigan and Indiana will tie for B11 honors.

|> 
|> Boy, you know it's a WEAKBig-10 when IU dominates THIS much! ;-)

It's not as strong at the top as many would like us to believe but the B11 is
stronger in the middle than other conferences. That's the difference. 

|> 
|> Mike
|> -- 

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From: awrg2685@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ucantdigme)
Subject: Re: EXECUTE DICK VITALE
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:09:11 GMT

x92lowry2@gw.wmich.edu writes:



>In article <ASH.93Jan18082949@ulysses.mr.ams.com>, ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
>> In article <80156@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>> 
>>    >In article <3319@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> durway@devnull.tandem.com (Lindsey Durway) writes:
>>    >>Dick Vitale has got to be the most ANNOYING IDIOT on TV, even
>>    >>worse than Arsenio Hall & Jay Leno put together.  How does he
>>    >>keep his job?  What is the attraction??  Does he do ANYTHING
>>    >>besides babble like Bullwinkle throu                                    
>> 
>> 
>> I HAPPEN TO LOVE DICK VITALE.  THE GUY IS AWESOME WITH A CAPITAL A, BABY!
>SURE YOU TEND TO THINK HE HAS A MENTAL DISORDER.  BUT YOU HAVE TO LOVE HIS
>ENTHUSIASTIC STYLE.  IF ALL ANNOUNCERS WERE MORE LIKE HIM THE RATINGS OF
>SPORTING EVENTS WOULD SKYROCKET.   BRICK-CITY USA , BABY!

>MICHAEL LOWRY 
>WESTERN MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY

Dick Vitale is the studliest announcer in basketball history.  You probably
like those non-objective monotone announcers don't you?  I have the game
right in front of me, and I don't need some overpaid boring sport wanna-be
telling me that joe passed it to bob and bob shot it.  The other option is the d
who sit there and talk about how good they were back in their days.  If Dick
Vitale is too loud and obnoxious for you then stick to watching the games with
the volume down and the classical music in the background and your girlfriend
Bertha serving you cookies and milk for snack time.

Have a nice day.


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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: BB vs Geography
Date: 22 Jan 93 19:28:57 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1993Jan22.183443.7083@news.uiowa.edu> wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley) writes:
>I read a post about west coast hoops that got me thinking.  (I can hear the
>collective *groan* now).  Since the UCLA run ended, has any true west coast
>(besides UNLV) won the tourney?  I don't have the resources or memory to
>recall this at the moment.  The point is this:  Many of the best players in
>the country come from the west coast.  Why do teams there seem to do less
>well than teams from the East or Midwest?  Or do they?  This is not flame
>bait.  I am sincerely interested in reasonable opinions from those who are
>familiar with west coast hoops.


Actually you are basically right. Since UCLA the West has not really been
that big a factor in the NCAA tournament. Even the year UNLV won it a pretty
good chunk of their team came from the East Coast. There are a lot of 
reasons for it. One as I mentioned is tv has lured a lot of the kids from
the West Coast to to Eastern Colleges. One I have posted about in the past
is my belief that alot of LA kids are simply overrated in highschool.
There is a much stronger off season program of camps and summerleagues
(and church leagues) on the East Coast where top kids play. For instance
AAU teams on the East Coast regularly feature the top highschool players
in the state, yet in California until very recently AAU teams were largely
made up of less heralded kids.

The basic argument is because of the weather, there is alot of other things
for an LA kid to do besides play ball when the season ends.

Another problem cited by Major League Baseball is the fact that inner cities
are losing alot of their potential athletes to gangs and drugs, which could 
be very significant in explaining why until this year LA had a dry spell for
recruits in basketball.




Russ Smith
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From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Re: WHAT is a Billican (sp?)?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:18:52 GMT

In <81706@hydra.gatech.EDU> kk18@prism.gatech.EDU (Kelly Kenion) writes:

>Okay, I give.  I know there's a school somewhere (in the Northeast?) with a 
>mascot called the Billicans.  I'm not sure if it's spelled like that because
>I've never seen it written.  Can ANYONE give me a clue?  We even went out and
>bought a dictionary this weekend, for cryin' out loud!

The Billiken is the mascot of St. Louis University.  It basically
looks like a little blue chinese demon type guy.  Strange mascot for
a catholic school.  But whenever I asked anyone there what it actually
_was_ (like where it came from) no one ever knew.  It may be made up,
which seems to be a tradition in St. Louis area colleges.

Will 
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From: devo@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Dan)
Subject: Re: Dairy Products of the Big 10 (was: Re: UVA beats Duke @ Cameron!!!!...)
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:21:39 GMT

In article <80899@hydra.gatech.EDU> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
>}I'm still convinced that Indiana is the cream of the Big 10.

I might put Michigan in there too.

I think on any given night whether at Michigan or Indiana, that
Michigan and Indiana are pretty even.  Both teams are good enough 
to transcend home floor advantages.
>
>}Michigan, Purdue, and Iowa rank as half and half.
>
I think the 'half' in Purdue and Iowa are sinking and becoming more
like whole milk.

Purdue because they have yet to look even decent against an upper division
team even at home.  Purdue's youth are going through big 10 growing pains.
There are no solid offensive players on Purdue outside of Robinson.  The
guards have stopped shooting the ball and the forwards are getting lost
in the maze of defensive players sagging in on the basket.  It should
be noted that Robinson's performances recently have been remarkable 
considering that he is drawing 2 defensive players every time down the
floor.  He still scores 20, 25 and even 30 points.  He has probably the
best turn-around-with-a-guy-in-his-face-and-another-hacking-his-arm 
jumper in the big 10 if not the country.

Iowa obviously because of the devistating loss of Chris Street.  I hope
they can rebound well from a loss like that.

Dan Vietor
Purdue University.
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From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Re: Rules question
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:46:16 CST

In article <1993Jan25.203202.136@cs.tulane.edu> keleher@cs.tulane.edu (William Keleher) writes:
>
>  Two questions actually:
>
>#1) Excluding technical fouls, is it possible to score more than 5 points
>    on a single possession?  Is there any way to score 5 other than a good
>    3-pt attempt and a foul away from the shot in the double bonus?

Sure.  A guy shoots, gets fouled, makes one, misses the second, the rebounder
goes to put it back up, gets fouled, makes one, misses the second,.....
....the coach of the defensive team gets pissed and gets a T,....
.....one of the defensive guys' jersey becomes un-tucked....


I think you get the picture.

>
>#2) At the last game I went to, a fan tried to explain to me some rule
>    change involving shooters leaning forward to draw a foul - evidently
>    this is now a "player-control" foul against the shooter?  This guy
>    didn't seem to really know what he was talking about, can someone fill
>    me in?

Another word for offensive foul....

Jeff
From: crs@carson.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Clarinet b*tching and moaning...
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:01:22 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>crs@carson.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>>rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
>>>
>>>I haven't seen the box score (clarinet only carries articles on top 25
>>>games and "real" conferences), but here's what I saw:
>>	    ^^^^
>>This "real" means "real midwestern".  I know they have a reason (namely
>>that is where they have people doing the college newsgroups, but if I
>>see one more box score of Illinois Wesleyan University, I'm going to puke.
>
>Cliff, you're right.  I should have said top 25, ACC, Big10, and
>anything in the state of Illinois.  Why?  They even put out a
>State of Illinois College Hoops Summary.  Maybe we should make a mock
>"Alaska College Hoops Summary" and email it to them ...

No, they have real hoops in Alaska.  How about the Lake Erie hoops summary?
We could have the Catfish playing against the Industrial Waste.  Make the
score something like 50-45 in triple OT--it has to be a defensive game (go
ahead, you try and dribble under water).

I'm sorry, but it just irks me that they put out College Basketball Roundup
reports that don't include teams from the west.  I could understand if they
would post early editions and then add stuff in and repost later the next
day, but apparently they think that the Pacific Time Zone doesn't exist.
Having said all that, does anybody know the score of the USC-Cal game (which
Clarinet somehow managed to froget ever occured)?
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Possesion Arrow
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:58:53 CST

In article <8980@news.duke.edu> fls@econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) writes:
>
>	I've always been a little confused by the Possession Arrow itself.  
>Since I usually am keeping track of the alternating possessions, I seldom 
>bother to look at the arrow.
>	But when I do, which way does the arrow point?  Does it point toward
>the bench of the team which will get the next possession?  Does it point in
>the direction the ball will be going?  And when do they switch the direction
>of the arrow--when the whistle blows, when the ball is inbounded, or do they
>just watch me and switch it right before I look?

It points towards the direction where the ball will be going.
Interestingly enough, they have to change the arrow twice between the
halves, once because the teams change direction, and once because the
inbound that starts the second half is considered a "jump".

I think they change the arrow right before you look at it.  That one is too
easy... :^) [actually, they change it when the ref hands the ball to the
player which is inbounding it, though some are a bit early or late in doing
this]]
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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Louisville whips Arizona St
Date: 24 Jan 1993 20:36:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Arizona St came in with their star player injured (DNP), and they played with
UofL for about 10 minutes then gave up.  Rozier was a force in this game, the Arizona St players could not rebound
with him (20pts/10+rebs).

Louisville pushes its record to 9-5 (4-0), winning 7 of their last 8 games.
The next game is at Virginia Tech on Thursday (Metro conference game).

Mike
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From: hammekr@eng.auburn.edu (Kenneth R. Hammett)
Subject: Re: Rules question
Reply-To: hammekr@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 15:11:51 GMT

In article 136@cs.tulane.edu, keleher@cs.tulane.edu (William Keleher) writes:
>
>#2) At the last game I went to, a fan tried to explain to me some rule
>    change involving shooters leaning forward to draw a foul - evidently
>    this is now a "player-control" foul against the shooter?  This guy
>    didn't seem to really know what he was talking about, can someone fill
>    me in?
>								       -Wm.


According to MY copy of the 93-93 NCAA rules, the defender is entitled to
the vertical space up from his body, and as far as I know this has always
included the space his body is actually taking up at the time. :*)  The
rule to my knowledge hasn't changed in a while (it's the same in my '86
rulebook), but it's possible that the NCAA has made it one of its "points
of emphasis" for the referees to particularly ignore.

  I know, for example, that referees are supposed to be watching the 
intentional foul to stop the clock AND eliminating hanging on to the
rim after a dunk this year.  Anybody actually seen these called?

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From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Four Corners, 1964
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:56:27 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <1993Jan22.012712.16755@samba.oit.unc.edu> Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill) writes:
>
>(Oh, yeah.  That 79 UNC team that lost 47-40 to Duke beat Magic and
>Michigan State....)

	I remember that game.  I was in Carmichael, behind one of the baskets.
Great game.  As I recall, Dudley Bradley (the Billy King of his era) was on
Magic, and `held' him to (I think) 17 points.  Great game.

	Of course, both Duke and UNC went on to lose their first games in the
NCAA that year, to (respectively) St. John's and Penn.  Penn made it to the
Final Four from the East that year (actually, I think back then it was just
the final four).

>Curtis Hill
>chill%star3@mcnc.org
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From: jfc3348@u.cc.utah.edu (John F. Conroy)
Subject: Re: Duke/SanFran cheers
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:08:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.103322.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> ghjelmstad@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>
>
>excellent!!! ... has anyone put together a list of best all time cheers?
>

	 I know this isn't, by definition, a cheer, but somehow nothing
compares with rows of fans trying to mimic the Duke cheerleaders doing the
"Tequila!!" routine. Even to this day, I start wildly gyrating whenever I
hear this song, and I've gotten some rather strange glances in public places.


John Conroy.


>#1 ... TIE ...  "Meagher spit in your face"  at Duke-UVa 1985 game,
>	Senior Danny Meagher and UVa's Sheahy were playing rough, both 
>	went down on the court, Meagher extends a hand to help Sheahy up, 
>	and, as he is doing this spits in sheahy's face... Sheahy goes nuts,
>	swings at Meagher, is thrown out of the game with a Technical... Danny
>	gives the angelic look of innocence... The cheer went on at EVERY 
>	Duke-UVA game until 1988, when Coach K implored the fans to "Let the 
>	Sheahy thing rest."  
>
>#1 ...  Perpetual, never ending chant, that has been echoing through the halls
>	of Duke University for over 50 years...begun in earnest at the sight
>	of anything dressed in that vomitous shade of pastel blue...and
>	shouted until the shoutee is horse.... "Go to Hell, Carolina
>        Go to Hell..."
>
>#3 ... " InHale... ExHale... InHale...Exhale "... at Duke-UNC (1987 or 88) when
>	Carolina's Steve Hale entered the Stadium in street clothes, unable to
>	play due to a collapsed lung.
>
>
>
>runners up...   "AAAAAAH  See Ya!"
>		"Boink Boink BOink pass Boink shoot MISS"  
>		"If you can't go to college go to state"  with its add on
>		"If you can't go to State go to jail"  after Chris Washburn
>	had been arrested for stealing a stereo.
>
>Others?	  	
>
>by the way, yes... Montross looks like uncle fester...  He also look a like
>the sargeant on "Gomer Pyle"...  Of course, no one needs to mention the
>strong "family" resemblance with the hillbillies from the movie "deliverance"
>Someone should tell Charokee Parks to be careful when trying to box him out.
>
>
>