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From: psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
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Subject: Re: Senator D'Amato
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:05:00 GMT
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In article <01GNIXBQA11E00107X@vassar.edu>, RIGEORGE@VASSAR.BITNET (Rick George) writes...

[...]

>Thus, it appears that there will not be a GOP primary for D'Amato's
>seat and that the four Democrats--Ferraro, Abrahams, Holtzman, and
>Sharpton--will do battle in the Democratic primary for the right to
>challenge Al in November.

Rick,
	It is Abrams. Robert Abrams. The attorney general is Robert 
Abrams.

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From:         "Scott W. Fischer" <swf7q@UVA.PCMAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: RNC II: The Second Night
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Kai notes the CNN reports that not many delegates were paying attention to
the speakers; I saw that also.  Ironically, a few minutes later I switched
over to watch PBS' Convention Night in Review and Gloria Borger reported that
she witnessed most of the delegates paying attention to the speaker,
espeically  Phil Gramm.  I wonder whose interpretation was correct and how
much personal bias was getting into the reporting.
From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
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Subject: Re: Logic Coup!
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:08:00 GMT
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In article <POLITICS%92082100103801@OHSTVMA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU>, KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET (Kerry Stephenson) writes...
>Jimbo:
> 
>You may the self-appointed czar, but you have no authority over me.

	I have been reading what Jimbo has been writing. Logic is in 
no danger from a coup d'etat from him. Bigotry, however...

[...]

>Hi Bob.  Hi Robert.  Hi Carl.  Don't let this nonsense bother you.
>Those who can, do.  Those who can't, make up new rules for the rest of
>us.

	Hi Kerry, kids say hi too.
	And those that can't make up new rules teach gym.


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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:10:03 CDT
From:         Sue Clark <SACLARK@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Finally Back!..and about Buchanan

Hello everyone,

I missed all of you, but we were busy playing 'dodge the florescent lights'
that were being dropped by the lighting company that was replacing burned
out lights.  Boy, wasn't that fun.  When those babies shatter, the pieces
fly in 4000 different directions, so they chased us out and sent us to places
far away.....like home.....until it was finished.

(Some of the replaced bulbs have already burned out, but we aren't telling
them!...Shhhh, don't tell anybody, please!)

About Buchanan,  did he alienate his voters from the Republican Party?  Did
he act like a spoiled brat and demand to he heard?  Of course, I speak of the
anemic Gov. 'Moonbeam, Jerry (New York town clown) Brown'.  As to enthusiasm,
I saw more lightening and hear more thunder on the floor in just one night
than I heard during the entire Dimbulb National Convention.  This is not a
dead party, you just wish they were.  This was a confident bunch, and an
excited bunch.  Smooth Democrats?....yeah they were so smooth, that the
camera caught Teddy Kennedy all but falling asleep during Clinton's yawner.
All of the liberal Demos were spotted by the cameras up in the darkness of
of the rafters of Madison Square Garden.  Yes, sir, they blew it too, and
they knew it.

Buchanan said come together, Brown whined, Buchanan said 'Thank you', Brown
griped, Buchanan told his voters to stand firm behind Bush, Brown wouldn't
even endorse Clinton if his life depended on it.  Buchanan didn't blow it,
Brown did!!!!

It was refreshing to watch intelligent women on the platform who were not
ranting and raving.  You say there were 'seig heilers', take a look at the loud
mouth FemiNazis, pounding the podium, pointing at everybody.  Take a look
at Mukulski speak sometime then stand back and be sick.  They blew it too!!!

As to Reagan's speech vs. M-A-R-I-O, oh what the heck, Reagan made it look
easy.  Thomas Jefferson wouldn't want to KNOW Cuomo, anyway!

> And Sue thought Jesse Jackson blew it!

I'm so glad you agree about Demo Jackson....at last, but at least he has
company now.  What a duo, a blasphemer and a dopeheaded whiner, now that's
the Democratic Party today!!!  Even Truman would be ashamed.

Sue Clark

'The Republicans hit more home runs last night, than the Houston Astros
have all season.'  - Rush  Lim....well you know by now.
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>What?  No mention of Quayle, here?

It's not as if we need to point out the obvious.

>I'm not surprised.  Someone said that he was the most intelligent
>man in Washington.  Maybe that is the case, but he is very lacking
>in something.
>
>Jason

Actually it was Bill Weld, governor of Massachusetts, who referred to
Dan Quayle as "The best political mind in Washington," not necessarily
the most intelligent one.  I'm not sure what he meant by that.  When
asked to elaborate by a reporter he simply said "no" and grinned.
Incidentally, when he made the comment the entire room (a GOP
fundraiser, I believe) broke into hysterics.  Then they figured out he
was serious.  I still can't tell if it's intended as a compliment for
Quayle or an attack on Bush or what...

--Julie

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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:23:32 -0400
From:         "Robert sprg0002@tulsajc.bitnet" <SPRG0002@TULSAJC.BITNET>

 KAT,

 You are a good and faithful servant.  Thank you for obediently recording
 my rules.

 Just a few more and we'll change your name to Moses.

 ---Robert

 "Abortion has saved us from looking at a lot of childish art"
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From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Somewhat Unusual "Family Values"
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              21 Aug 1992 13:16:53 GMT from <gpn0@NS1.CC.LEHIGH. EDU>

On Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:16:53 GMT GARY PHILIP NEWHART said:

>Really! I suppose that all low income or disadvantaged people doodled while at
>school. Open your eyes! It's a real world out there, the one you evidently
>have no concept of.

I didn't say low income or disadvantaged people doodled.  I said those who
chose not to advance themselves using society's funding did so.  Perhaps
you read into it more than I wrote?  I knew many low income and
disadvantaged students who decided they wouldn't live the way they
were raised and did advance themselves.

They also knew it would take a lot of hard work and didn't expect to
make $60'000 per annum and drive a beamer right out of high school, either.

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Subject: Marilyn Quayle--closet Marxist
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:53:09 EST
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Actually, perhaps Marilyn Quayle is a closet Marxist, after all being a
housespouse would meet the Marxist ideal of owning the means of production,
wouldn't it?  Your house, your vacuum cleaner, your oven, your Cuisinart.

Democrat--Let's see....  McGovern, Hart, Harkin, Zappa, Biafra, maybe Brown.
Republican--Duke, Robertson, Hitler, Quayle (all R's are Evil, so vote spoiler)
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:56:16 CDT
From:         the annoying will inherit the earth <T9AA@SDSUMUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: GOP & equality

>Missy-- are you by any chance one of those liberals in disguise
>designed to help republicans look really silly?  (That's my theory
>about Dan Quayle, btw...)

>--Julie

>   uh, julie, neither party needs infiltrators to make it look sorta
>  silly. reagan nodding off during cabinet meetings and quayle's very
>  interesting speaking style are matched by teddy's libido and jesse's
>  continuing attempt to have people take him seriously . . .

not to mention Sen. Quentin Burdick (D-ND) who pissed himself in
constituent meetings.

>    you have quayle pegged wrong, btw. if bush had made him defense
>  secretary instead of v.p., people would be mentioning him as a
>  serious contender for the main chance in the future. he just got
>  picked off the tree too early, when he was still green. give him
>  a few years to ripen, and he'll be sorta o.k. except that the press
>  will never let him repair his image now.

You're right, to some extent. I cannot remember the last time I heard
a quote from Dick Cheney, and I think that Danny-Boy could have used
that room. Hell, inarticulate senators are par for the course, IMHO.

I do think he's perfect for the Bush VP position, as it gives the
right a voice in the cabinet, so no matter how wacky George may seem,
there's someone to his right, making him look more moderate.

>  rtf

Dave
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              can't shoot 'em" <JULIE%DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Somewhat Unusual "Family Values"

Rufus:

Well the press has always had its own agendas.  It will always show
an ACT-UP demonstration, for example,but not necessairily say WHAT
we are demonstrating about.  It also has a tendency to only show the
"radical" wings of various groups without dealing with the more moderate
factions, such as only focusing on Operation Rescue and ignoring a
good chunk of the pro-life movement or at gay pride parades only
showing pictures of the Queer Nation groups, for example.

I think that every portion of a movement is important and I am a little
tired of the whole scene in which the movements are routinely cate-
gorized and classified into little boxes of people.

--Julie
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Subject: Re: Reading List
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Hi :)
Let's see . . . TV would be CNN for news, CNN, PBS, CSPAN and CNBC for
commentary.  Magazines -- The New Republic and Atlantic; I think we're
going to pick up Harper's also pretty soon.  Newspapers?  None of the local
ones.  I do read The Chronicle of Higher Education each week, though.

I also have the advantage of working on a small campus with lots of
interesting people -- so I learn a lot from them.  And my domestic partner
is our reference librarian, so I get first shot at lots of neat government
documents and stuff like that.

Kerry
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From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Oooh, I am such an evil bigot!
              20 Aug 1992 15:40:31 EST from <92price@GW.WMICH.EDU>

Kai:

I am genuinely perplexed by your claim that the Republican convention
is a "failure."  In the first place, it isn't over, so any judgment
of success or failure is a bit premature.  In the second place,
the predictable inability of members of this list to pay any
attention to the bulk of the convention and their disdain for what
they are seeing hardly qualifies as evidence of "failure."

Can a convention even be considered a "success" or a "failure,"
except in the sense that delegates and designated speakers do or
do not show up and/or that the nominee is or is not actually
nominated?  What is a convention for, anyway?  On a related note,
does anyone know what the ratings are/have been for the
various nights of network coverage?

--Missy P 2 B
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From:         todd pukanecz <CCCS@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Reading List

On Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:04:49 -0500 j.b. cormier said:
>I was just wondering where everyone obtains their
>information?  What magazines are read?  What
>newspapers?  What news programs are watched or
>heard?
>
Consumer Reports, US News & WR, Esquire, Atlantic, Utne Reader, Spin.
Local (Roanoke) daily rag.  (Can't afford Christian Science Monitor.)
McNiel/Lehrer, NBC Nightly News (I dig John Chancelor's commentaries.)
Intermittent and sundry other stuff as appropriate, like during the
conventions, which *everybody* covered.  (I had to laugh when I found
out Dr. Ruth Westheimer was the correspondent for the Nostalgia Channel.
At least *they* know we're all getting screwed.)
    todddddddd
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>j.b.

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From:         macphil <IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Family values--isn't that special?
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On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 00:07:37 EST <92price@GW.WMICH.EDU> said:

Interchange Bush<->Clinton, Republican<->Democrat, etc. in the following
post and see if more than 90% still applies.

>I suppose the convention went better on this third night.  There was still a
>lot of Clinton-bashing, but I think a lot less.  It still surprises me, though,
>the depths of distortion, hypocracy, and outright falsehood these people will
>go--they are really desperate.  I think the convention attendees were tonight,
>too, they appeared sedate and vacuous, as if they lowered their expectations
>and got drunk before coming, so that maybe they could force themselves to
>believe the speakers as they explain to the crowds how they actually are better
>off four years later, they just don't know it.  Nobody really had anything to
>say much, other than boring campaign rhetoric, from the glimpses I could
>handle--it was really as boring as, say, Mondale or Dukakis, tonight.  I don't
>believe Bush will recieve a dramatic rescue from this night, actually, this
>being "family values" night, I don't think too many Americans were watching,
>as Americans have never liked being preached to ("family values" being much
>like the whole "politically correct" thing--both ideas made exteremely
>unpopular by distortion by over-zealous avatars).
>
>Oh, and could someone explain how allowing competent gays to remain in the
>military, allowing them to teach and adopt children, allowing them to have
>legally-recognized marriages, be protected from discrimination in the
>workplace, etc. is "giving them special priviledges" as opposed to "treating
>them like everyone else?"  Sounds to me like saying "WAR IS PEACE."
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From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Allen, Manhattan, and Hemingway

>Was it kinda weird watching Manhattan, knowing what's going on with
>Woody and Mia?  (Isn't Manhattan the one where he has an affair with
>a high school kid?)

Mariel Hemingway; now on "Civil Wars", a celibate divorce lawyers in
lust TV show.  Appeared earlier with her sister Margeaux in Lipstick
and maybe in Personal Best.

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From:         more noise please <SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET>
Subject:      ^!

Evelyn asks why not:
>>Vote JohnsoN/OlsoN in November
>>the first candidates to return ^^^^^^^ to the campaign
>"Not" symbols, why would anyone want to return "not" symbols to the
>campaign?

Heh.  You're way off, and not getting warmer.

>Of course, they could refer to knots, which would refer to
                                ^^^^^
>Boy Scouts, sailing, or bondage.

Colder.  Freezing.  Alaska.

Rufus was way off, too.  I'm surprised Valentine doesn't remember, though.

^ is a virtual mind-altering substance.  No virtual party (or ticket) would
be complete without it.  The Feds don't know about it, and it won't show up
in any drug test.  It's cheap to produce (just press shift and the ^ key
together) and when used responsibly, produces a heightened awareness of a
section of text that lies directly above the ^.  For example, in the last bit
of text up there, I used ^ to give you a heightened awareness of knots.

As to it's pronunciation, it doesn't have one.  ^ is ^, not not.

(Actually, I think this in-joke started in a bitnet relay party of a few
years back, but it may have started some time before then.  I *think* Jamie
was the one who introduced it, but it might have been Jimbo.  Or not.)

the johnsoN/olsoN ticket.  We know ^.

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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 10:39:40 -0700
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject:      Re: RNC II: The Second Night

>Yow, and the convention goers:  cowboys, rich kids, blonde fluezies, ugly
>people who don't dress very stylishly and are probably afraid of computers.

Hint: people who actually are sophisticated can spell.  I also thought
that we weren't supposed to make fun of women's appearance.  If that
doesn't apply to women who look like bimbos or Repub women....

Most people don't dress stylishly and aren't all that attractive.  Is
that really relevant?  Like it or not, the election will be decided by
the "Dickie Flatt" crowd.  Making fun of them is a strange way to get
their vote.  (Feel free to leave them out of your plans, which they
pay for, if you're so embarassed by them.)

And what do you folks have against cowboys?  Is it the physical labor
you resent, or the self-reliance?  (So what if it's a pose for most
convention-goers, the reaction was to the symbol, so I get to ask
what's offensive about that symbol.)

I do like the bit about computers, especially from someone who
probably can't do much more than play games with one.  (Word
processors really are a game; "real" use involves sophisticated
programming and program use, not just cut and paste.)  There's nothing
wrong with that, but it isn't much of a pedestal to look down from.

ALL conventions are attended by party wonks.  Some pay their way, some
get daddy to do so, while others leach a party week out of their
"union brothers".

-andy will write yet another complex program analysis tool today but
      he doesn't look down on "lesser" computer users who resist the
      temptation to look down on non-users.  He's much more impressed
      by people who do more than manipulate information.

ps - Yes, there has been significant progress on pollution issues in
     the past 20 years, at least in the US, and that's real progress,
     actual reductions, not just decreases in the rate of increase.
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