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From: jweinstein@igc.apc.org (Jordan Weinstein)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: SEX/DIVE BUDDY WANTED
Date: 10 Jan 93 04:52:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1458600008:000:20
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!jweinstein    Jan  9 20:52:00 1993


Just kidding folks!
From: jak@zikzak.apana.org.au (Jak Grimm)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: AUSTRALIA diving locations
Date: 13 Jan 1993 12:04:21 +1100
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au
Keywords: all, everything and anything goes ?

mluoto@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Markku Luoto) writes:

>	Those of you whom have any info on diving operators / locations
>	"DOWN UNDER" - that is in AUSTRALIA, please share it with me,
>	preferably by E-mail...

>ps. is there diving in other places than the great barrier region... I
>mean south, west, north -coasts ???

What do you mean, is there diving ?? Is there diving ? IS THERE DIVING?

Melbourne, Victoria, has some wonderful cool to temperate water diving
all around Port Philip Bay, and along the east and west coasts. You
would expect to see Blue Devil fish, Port Jackson sharks (harmless),
Bronze Whaler sharks (nearly harmless), Wobbegong sharks (supposedly
harmless), leatherjackets, triggerfish, Old Wives, sponges,
Gorgonians, anenomes, rubble, kelp, bottles, anchors, ledges,
swim-throughs, boats and sub wrecks, etc. etc. etc. Diving is probably
best in winter, when the micro-organisms hibernate and the water is
clearer. Summer diving, in January and February, can be some of the
finest, with bright clear sunny days, and 10 metre (30 feet) viz.

There are about 10 commercial charter boats operating in the bay, and
a lot of private and club boats as well. Shore diving on the back
beaches is excellent, although you have to watch the wind. In fact
there are some excellent shore dives all around the bay.

I hope that this has piqued your curiosity about Melbourne diving.
Melbourne is on the South-East coast of Australia. There is also
excellent diving in Sydney, all the way up and down the east coast, in
Tasmania, South Australia, and West Australia. I guess that you really
don't have much choice for diving sites when you come to Australia !!
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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: don@dlong.austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Sipadon/Indonesia
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:51:04 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin
Followup-To: donlong@austin.ibm.com

I'm planning a trip to Indonesia this year and I was curious whether anyone
on the net has been to Sipadon, Java, Bali, Flores, Sulawesi and any of the
other islands in that area.  The diving is supposed to be spectacular there -
does anyone know firsthand whether this is true ?
-- 
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Advanced Workstation Division     VNET:     donlong@ausvm6.austin.ibm.com
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From: gd@gehenna.sw.stratus.com (Greg Dawe)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Mixed gas algorithms
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:01:42 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: gehenna.sw.stratus.com

In article <1993Jan4.172127.9053@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> mayne@cs.fsu.edu writes:
>
>If you just want tables or the ability to generate them there is now
>a commercial program to do it. The program uses the Buhlmann ZHL-16
>model and is being marketed by Jim King. (Sorry, I don't have the
>name or address of the company handy.)

Jim King owns/operates a company called "Deep Breathing Systems", which is
someplace down in Tennesee.  His address can be found by looking at the
ads one of the more recent AquaCorps issues.
-- 
Greg Dawe                        | Disclaimer: I don't speak for my employer,
Voice : (508)-490-6666           |             nor they for me...
e-mail: Greg_Dawe@vos.stratus.com|            
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: jd@mars.nwc.navy.mil (John de la Garrigue)
Subject: Re: ?? Bottom Scratchers Dive club ??
Reply-To: jd@mars.nwc.navy.mil
Organization: Science Applications International Corporation
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:39:53 GMT

In article 4389@funlwb.enet.dec.com, engsin@anjing.meo.dec.com (Eng Sin Teoh) writes:
>
>Hi,

Yo

>
>I am a current member of a dive club in Melbourne (Australia) called
>
>	" Melbourne Bottom Scratchers Dive Club"
>
>The club have been in existence some 18 years.  I was just wondering if anyone
>knows of any other dive clubs with the "Bottom Scratchers" name.  I have heard
>that there was a skin diving club some where in the US (west coast I think) 
>in the 50's/60's with a similar name.  Any body out there in rec.scuba old 
>enough to recall....
>
>we are planning to compile a "20 Years of Bottom Scratching" log/slide show.
>
>Thanks

You are absolutely correct, although I am not old enough to have been a member.
The way I heard it (from one of the charter members, who was giving a slide
presentation at a local dive club meeting in San Diego - sorry, I can't recall
the name; I'm not a member of that club, either), the original Bottom Scratchers
were a group of guys (I think only guys, but I could be wrong) in San Diego, as you
say in the 50's and 60's.  If I recall correctly, the club still exists.  I figure
someone out there can provide more specific info (I saw the presentation more than
two years ago), but if not, try contacting the Sport Chalet Dive Club in San
Diego, CA.

Hasta la taco...


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or anyone else for that matter.

Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: maierj@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Joey Maier)
Subject: Re: Oregon Shark Attack
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:58:47 GMT

In article <1ibe0kINNcl3@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> sdodd@OES.ORST.EDU (Stephen M Dodd) writes:
>Oregon this year.  I grew up in Coos Bay and used to surf the beach
>involved.  We never considered sharks in the sixties.  We did encounter
>Killer Whales on occasion.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Did you, or  anyone else out there who has dove the north pacific, 
ever have any diving-based encounters with them?  I spent the
summer in the Strait of Juan de Fuca, north of Seattle, and we were told
not to get in the water when the whales came  by, because we would scare
them away.  A researcher who has a whale observation project going at
the Lime Kiln State Park lighthouse told us the same thing during a
presentation.

Just curious.

Joey          maierj@andrews.edu
From: bbaker@na.novell.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: AUSTRALIA - Mike Ball Expeditions
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:09:55 GMT
Reply-To: bbaker@na.novell.com ()
Organization: Novell, Inc., San Jose, Ca


I feel compelled to tell my recent experience and opinion of Mike Ball
Expeditions.

Three weeks ago I paid $370 to dive the Yongala Wreck onboard the Watersport.
Due to 2 meter swells, we were not able to dive the Yongala.  Instead,
we went to a couple really desolate and low visibility reefs. 
The complaint I have is that we were not told until AFTER paying and boarding
about their refund policy.  Once we had boarded, we were told that the 
current conditions were marginal, and that we MIGHT NOT be able to do the
dive, and if anyone wishes to leave now they would recieve a FULL CREDIT, 
not refund, to do the dive sometime in the next two years.  Well given that
we went to all the trouble to pack and board the boat and that we were not
likely to be able to get back to Australia in the next two years, we went
out on the boat.  The swells were beyond their 1.5 meter limit, and we
didn't get to do the dive.  And for our trouble, Mike Ball Expeditions
generously gave us a $29 refund.  $29 out of $370 !!!  We spent $15-20
on drinks on board the boat!!  Why even bother!

What I don't understand is why Mike Ball being one of the biggest dive
expedition companies (they have three boats) can't swallow the loss and 
just give a full refund.  We were told by the 1st mate that being forced 
to abort the Yongala dive only happens 4-5 times each year.  At least tell
people your policy BEFORE paying and boarding!!

In guessing why they appear not to care about dis-pleasing their customers,
I can only think that it is because they are one of the few companies
with permits to dive the Yongala and/or they do so much business that 
they don't care if a few people are unhappy with their experience.

Suffice it to say, that I will never dive on a Mike Ball boat again, and
cannot reccomend it to anyone.

If you're looking for great cliff diving, cave diving, night diving, and
shark feeds.  Go for a boat called the Rum Runner doing Holmes Reef in
the Coral Sea out of Cairns.  They GUARANTEE 30 METER VISIBILITY OR YOUR 
MONEY BACK. 
 
Now that's what I call a guarantee, and a reputable dive company.  

+-------------------+
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| bbaker@novell.com |
| Novell, Inc.      |
| San Jose, CA      |
| (408)473-8408     |
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From: bangs@cs.utk.edu (Alex L. Bangs)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: ScubaPro + Equip Purchase
Date: 12 Jan 1993 17:52:34 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Computer Science
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu
Summary: Planning purchase, request advice
Keywords: ScubaPro equipment regulator BC
Originator: bangs@duncan.cs.utk.edu

I've been doing some wandering in shops and have nearly decided what I want to
buy for equipment. I have a couple of questions, tho, especially for those
experienced with Scuba Pro equipment. I'm still in the novice category; I'm
at around 20 dives.

I have decided I like the Scuba Pro stuff the best; it seems to come highly
recommended by a good number of people.

I am thinking of buying a Mk 10 first stage, D250 or D350 second stage,
front-adjustable BC, and Air II.

A couple of questions:
(1) Any preferences for the D250 vs. the D350? The dive shop suggests the D350
	for more novice divers (where I fit in), for simpler control (doesn't have
	the side adjust knob, just a dive switch on front).
(2) I like the Air II; it is what we used in my pool classes. In the future,
	I might start cave diving, in which case I will have to purchase a second
	regulator. Does anyone have any strong thoughts on the Air II? I suspect
	my alternative is a power inflator and the new octopus regulator (R-some-
	thing) that they have just come out with.
	I know that the Air II was not considered acceptable by the Navy at
	depth; I'm not planning to use it as a primary!
(3) Scuba Pro likes to try to sell their BC's with the air running through the
	arms as being more balanced for bouyancy. However, front adjustables look
	better for, well, adjusting, especially for different suits, etc. Also,
	this store said they out sell the traditional BC's 5 to 1. Any thoughts
	on front adjustable vs. the regular Scuba Pro?
(4) The dealer's choice for console is a Cressi Sub outfit with pressure gauge
	and depth gauge (apparently from the same supplier as Scuba Pro but cheaper)
	I am planning to get a digital depth gauge/bottom timer to go with it
	until I decide to get a computer, and then use the digital gauge as backup.
	I have seen one digital gauge in particular that seems to be packaged by
	a lot of people -- provides four basic displays (depth, max depth, time, 
	temp) and sells mail order for around $110-$120. Are these things decent?

Thanks for any advice,
Alex
From: story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: advanced certification
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:51:38 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <uosabj4@twilight.wpd.sgi.com> story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story) writes:
>
>Two books (one of which your instructor should already have sold you):
>
>PADI Adventures In Diving
>NAUI Advanced Diver Manual

Oops, that should have been NAUI's _Advanced Diving: Technology and
Techniques_.

Both books are available at better dive stores everywhere.

Dave Story@bent.wpd.sgi.com           NAUI AI Z9588, PADI DM 43922, EMT
    Spearfishing on SCUBA is like hunting bears from a helicopter.
From: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Shots needed for Hondouras?
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:39:47 GMT
Reply-To: millerj@belize.crd.ge.com ()
Distribution: na
Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development


	We're going to Guanaja the end of February.  The pharmacy with our
HMO recommended the following shots & oral medications (forgive the spelling):

	diptheria
	tetnus
	malaria


	The first was because of possible water contamination and the second was
incase you happened to get cut on something and were far from the hospital.
These two don't really bother me because they said that there usually isn't
any long term reaction (maybe feel bad for a day or two after the shots).

	The malaria is another story.  We'd have to start it a month in advance
and take it for two months after the trip!  They also said there are some
nasty side effects like nausea in some people.  We aren't going inland, we
fly into San Pedro Sula and fly right out to the island.

	So, I'm wondering what shots other people have gotten when going to
Guanaja.  Is there really a great risk for malaria?


Thanks


Julia
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: bgaughan@F22.ess.harris.com (Brady Gaughan)
Subject: Advice about Brownie's Third Lung / Power Snorkel Systems
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:27:56 GMT
Reply-To: bgaughan@F22.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

I'm considering buying one of the above-mentioned systems for beach diving and
shallow-water lobstering here in FL.  I was wondering if anyone has experience with
these type of floating-compressor-to-supply hoses.

From the ads I've seen, both of these systems provide enough pressure for two divers
to 50'.  Anyone know the relative pressure provided to the second stages.  Any idea
of the quality of the regulators?  I'll probably end up replacing them anyway, but I
would like to know anyways.

I've read about some Keys divers converting these systems to one long (~150') hose and
using them to about 30', so I imagine the air pressure provided is fairly good.

Any info. would be greatly appreciated.

Brady Gaughan
Harris GASD
Melbourne, FL
From: awright@gssec.bt.co.uk (Alan Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Bottom Scratchers dive club
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:53:26 GMT
Organization: BT, Software Engineering Centre, Glasgow, UK

In article <1993Jan9.215628.13059@smos.com>,
joseph@smos.com (Joseph Crunk) writes:
|> The very first dive club ever, anywhere, was the Bottom Scratchers. They
|> were and still are active in the San Diego, Calif area.

When was it founded?

|> -Joseph Crunk

-- Alan
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awright@gssec.bt.co.uk (Alan Wright)
BT, Software Engineering Centre, Glasgow, UK
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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: dan@resonex.com (Dan Kell)
Subject: Down Currents
Keywords: NO FLAMES!
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:38:00 GMT

Okay, here we go again. I started an Oceanography class last night and have
asked my instructor about down currents. I asked her about down currents
and she didn't really have any knowledge of them but said she would ask
her collegues at work. (She works for the US Geological Survey) I know
about the "mythical" current in Cozumel. I remember somebody from Australia
mentioning an area where this is encountered on drift dives on a regular
basis. Also mention was made of similiar phenomena somewhere on the St.
Lamrence. I am planning to do some intensive library searches on this 
subject. My instructor was quite interested in the idea and felt asking
co-workers might provide some information. I have sort of worked up a 
model on the environment and conditions necessary for the formation of
a down current. It is very possible that "down" currents are just a 
manifestation of turbidity currents of a special type and some research
my come to light in that area. If those who have mentioned specific areas
where they have observed such currents or even antecdotal information
could let me know details it would be appreciated. I don't want this to
erupt into another verbal abuse session. Some peoples ego seem to have
been bruised this last time around and I don't want to be part of that
again. 
I'm asking for specific areas of occurence. Please, if you can, provide 
the exact location, conditions, and time of occurence.
If anything comes of my search I post a summary. Otherwise I guess I'm
going to learn far more about currents than I ever really wanted to know. B-)

Feel free to e-mail me your information so the signal to noise can be as
low as possible on this.


-- 
Dan Kell 
email to dan@resonex.com
"Experience is something you don't get until just after you needed it most."
                       Murphys laws of computing
From: winer@husc10.harvard.edu (Adam Winer)
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Re: Mexican sp. moving north (was Green Parakeet)
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:45:29 GMT

tony@zoo.toronto.edu (Anthony L. Lang) writes:

>In article: <1imtilINN40q@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>  
>have been experiencing in the last half century.  Bird species
>all over North America are moving northward.  In Ontario we have
>seen the invasion of NORTHERN CARDINAL (Cardinalis cardinalis),
>NORTHERN MOCKINGBIRD (Mimus polyglottos), and TUFTED TITMOUSE
>(Parus bicolor) in the recent past without any habitat change to
>the south of us.

It was my understanding that the range expansion of Titmice and Cardinals
is due largely to the proliferation of feeders.  They also haven't
disappeared from the south.  This certainly doesn't contradict the point
that birds don't seek new habitats when old habitat is destroyed: they just
die.  Of course, this still does raise the question of why Mexican species
appear to be crossing the border, even when the habitat here is clearly
not as desirable as the original habitat.  Example: Eared Trogons
(Euptilotus neoxenus), which should probably be called Eared Quetzal,
has started nesting in Ramsey Canyon;  the first time they did this,
the nestlings died, apparently because of plummeting temperatures.  While
this is certainly anecdotal evidence, it seems to suggest that Arizona is
fringe habitat.  So why are they moving there now?
-- 
Adam Winer              | The number you have reached is imaginary.
WINER@HUSC.HARVARD.EDU  | Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and
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Newsgroups: rec.birds
From: edm@verdix.com (Ed Matthews)
Subject: Re: Status of "Oregon" Junco
Organization: VERDIX Corporation
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:19:15 GMT

In article <611.2B47B38D@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> Joe.Morlan@f20.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Joe Morlan) writes:
>       ***** On 12-31-1992, Ed Matthews wrote to All *****
>
>EM> On Christmas Eve and Christmas Day (24 and 25 December)
>EM> there was a prototypical female "Oregon" Junco at my feeder
>EM> in Virginia.
>
>Great care must be taken to distinguish "pure" Oregon types from
>the "cismontanus" race of Slate-colored Junco which is rather
>similar (actually a hybrid swarm between Oregon and
>Slate-colored).  Even more problematical are the "pink-sided"
>junco types which are very hard to tell from the real "Oregon"
>juncos, especially the females where both have gray heads.  Did
>the gray extend across the breast?

Will have to check my sketch and notes at home.

>BTW I was very intrigued to read your account of seeing Bohemian
>Waxwings on your trip to Yosemite.  I sent you email asking for
>the exact location and number of birds so we could include this
>important record in our database, but never heard from you.  Did
>you get my email?

Never saw your email, but that doesn't surprise me.  I've tried to
send you email and it seems to get lost between here and Fidoland.

The count was four birds.  The date was 11/02/91.  The location,
without benefit of a map, was the fire tower to the left off the of the
entrance road from the north (route 120).  There is a dirt road that
climbs off to the left and at the top is a fire tower with a 360 degree
view.  I saw the four birds on the small loop trail at the summit in
some short conifers.  The four were in the company of 30+ Cedar
Waxwings which made for great comparative viewing.

If this is not sufficient detail to locate the fire tower (I'm sure
it has a name, but I don't know it), let me know and I'll dig through
some maps.

Ed
-- 

Ed Matthews                                                edm@verdix.com
Manager, APSE Development
Verdix Corporation Headquarters                            (703) 318-5800
From: paul.burnett@pcs.sj.ca.us (Paul Burnett) 
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: Concerned about Lone Cana
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:12:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: PCS-BBS - San Jose, CA - 408-270-4085
Reply-To: paul.burnett@pcs.sj.ca.us (Paul Burnett) 

TO: cwerner@nyx.cs.du.edu

CW>I live near Buffalo, NY, despite the address on this article.  A
  >couple of months ago, I heard at about midnight what I am
  >virtually certain was a lone Canada goose calling.

Our back yard is near a waterfowl overnight parking area - after the
kids are in bed, my wife and I repair to the hot tub for a while....
Part of the evening entertainment is figuring out which species makes
what night noise.  We've heard Canada's bothering about and even flying
about that late - I suppose something spooks them and they would fly
about for a while or something.  We'll hear killdeer all through the
night...we occasionally even see a _very_ large owl (barn or
snowy...)...and it's always fun to watch the night herons commuting in
at dusk and again out at dawn.
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 . QMPro 1.0 41-8688 . ...from San Jose, CA
From: Joe.Morlan@f20.n125.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.birds
Subject: A different "identify th
X-Sender: newtout 0.05 Dec 30 1992
Date: 07 Jan 93  07:43:00

        ***** On 01-06-1993, Brian Rice wrote to All *****

BR> Several individuals of whatever bird this is spent last
BR> summer in the mixed pine/deciduous woods surrounding Data
BR> General's parking lot here in Research Triangle Park, North
BR> Carolina.....

BR> The song consists of a couple of up-down pairs of notes, a
BR> trill, and a concluding group of three notes.

I cannot play WAV files, but your description sounds like
Bachman's Sparrow or possibly Bewick's Wren.  I'm inclined to
think the former.

--- Maximus/2 2.01wb