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From: kelley@julio.sanders.lockheed.com (Sean Kelley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: The essential Celtic recordings?
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:56:28 GMT
Reply-To: kelley@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com
Organization: Lockheed-Sanders - Avionics Division

In article <1992Aug17.104526.19376@yang.earlham.edu>, johnl@yang.earlham.edu (John Fiskio-Lasseter) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug14.082351.8402@cicb.fr>, moisan@cicb.fr (Herve Moisan -  stagiaire CICB) writes:
|> > can somebody say to me what groups are the best irish groups (or
|> > scottish)?
|> > 
|> > i want to buy some tapes and i have no idea which one are the best ...
|> > (CLANNAD , THE CHIEFTAINS ?)
|> 
|> Kind of a subjective answer, though, eh?  Still it's a natural question to 
|> ask.  Since we just finished a rather fun thread on the essential 
|> Irish/Scots tunes, how about a new thread on the essential Irish/Scots 
|> *RECORDINGS*?  Actually, why limit it to Ireland and Scotland?  How about 
|> Wales, Brittany, Isle of Man, Shetland, Cape Breton, etc. -- any of the 
|> places that have a distinctly Celtic tradition?  I know it's been done 
|> before, but it hasn't been done for awhile.  
|> 
|> Anyway, my votes for the albums everyone should own (In no particular 
|> order):
|> 
|> The Chieftans --  The Chieftans 7, Celtic Wedding
|> The Tannahill Weavers -- anything they've ever recorded
|> Ar Log -- same as above
|> Ossian -- Ossian, St. Kilda Wedding, Dove Across the Water
|> Planxty -- Cold Blow and the Rainy Night
|> The Bothy Band -- anything they've recorded, but especially 
|> 		  After Hours:  Live in Paris
|> The Boys of the Lough -- Second Album
|> Dick Gaughan -- Handful of Earth, Live in Edinburgh
|> Finbar Furey -- The Irish Pipes of Finbar Furey
|> Ma/ire Ni/ Chathasaigh -- The New-Strung Harp
|> 
|> Okay, there're SOME of the recordings that are my personal favorites.  
|> Anyone else care to add?
|> 
|> --John
|> 
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Or
    Clannad   --  Dulaman
    Altan     --  The Red Crow
    Altan     --  Harvest Storm



    Slainte!
From: landauer@morocco.Eng.Sun.COM (Doug Landauer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Songwriters' Covers (was Re: The Dutchman)
Date: 27 Aug 92 17:58:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: morocco

> > ...  _The Dutchman_ ...What other recorded versions are there, 
> > by Liam Clancy or other artists?
> 
> "The Dutchman", if this is the song I'm thinking of, is by Chicago-area
> songwriter Michael Smith.  [...]
> 
> "The Dutchman" has also been recorded by Steve Goodman, but I don't know
> what album(s) to find it on.

It's on "Somebody Else's Troubles".  It's my favorite song that Steve
Goodman sings.  Not my favorite one he wrote -- that's "City of New
Orleans", but I like Arlo's version better ...

These are a couple of examples of what I call the "Songwriters' Covers"
phenomenon -- when a performer who is well-known as a singer/songwriter
(maybe with some emphasis on the latter) chooses to cover a song by
another songwriter, and the cover often turns out not only to be better than
the original version, but better than most of the other songs that the
cover-er wrote.  Here are some of my favorite examples:

author		covered by		song
======		==========		====
Michael Smith	Steve Goodman		The Dutchman
Steve Goodman	Arlo Guthrie		City of New Orleans
Buddy Mondlock	David Wilcox		The Kid
Jackson Browne	Eagles			Take It Easy

Danny O'Keefe	Jackson Browne		Highways & Dance Halls?
					(I forget the real name of this
					 one ... maybe "The Road"?)

Anyone have other favorites?  If there's any interest, you're welcome
to reply by e-mail and I'll summarize.
-- 				... you say "Morocco", and that makes me smile ...
Doug Landauer -- landauer@morocco.eng.sun.com
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From: Gerry.Mulvenna@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Gerry Mulvenna)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Lyrics request: The Banks of the Lee
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:29:34 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service


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From: neverisk@trintex.uucp (Mike Neverisky)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: D. Wilcox "Nightshift Watchman"
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:28:15 GMT
Organization: Prodigy Services Co.

In article <1992Aug26.204012.25561@col.hp.com> judym@col.hp.com (Judy Miller) writes:
>neverisk@trintex.uucp (Mike Neverisky) writes:
>> Good news for David Wilcox fans: I just received Elderly Instruments 
>> bulletin #109, and it lists Wilcox's "Nightshift Watchman" cassette
>> as an in stock item.  
>> 
>> Stock number SONW-C1087  for $6.85
>> 
>> Elderly is located in Lansing, MI and can be phoned at (517)372-7890
>
>I didn't realize this was hard to find.  It's also in the HEAR catalog,
>but not at that price.
>
	Recordings are more expensive when purchased through HEAR.  $9 for
	this cassette, for example.  Elderly is cheaper and faster (days 
	not weeks for delivery).  
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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: takoosma@utkvx1.utk.edu (Toby Koosman)
Subject: Re: Plucked instrument construction
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:14:00 GMT

In article <MOSS.92Aug25102930@ibis.cs.umass.edu>, moss@cs.umass.edu writes...
>>>>>> On 25 Aug 92 03:12:03 GMT, hooverb@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu (Bruce
>>>>>> Hoover,Armstrong) said:
>Bruce> I'm not sure that this is a "known" subject. I suspect that a lot of
>Bruce> guesswork and luck goes into this sort of thing. (Consider that the
>Bruce> varnish which Stradivarius used is still unknown!)
> 
>Actually, I had heard that this was recently figured out, and is now believed
>to be a significant part of the unusually fine tone he achieved. It seems that
>his records mention where he got the varnish, and the company is still in
>business making the the same stuff! Maybe someone who knows more can verify
>this and/or expand on it.

The varnish recipe was destroyed by one of Stradivari's descendants.  There
was recently some research that found volcanic ash in Strad's varnish, that
may be what you heard about.  Some people think this varnish is the key to
the greatness of these violins, but that may be do to its mystery rather than
to any real acoustic evidence.  Strad's methods are are source of much romance
and superstition among luthiers.

Toby Koosman
University of Tennessee   Knoxville, Tennessee  USA
Internet: koosman@utkvx.utk.edu     Bitnet: koosman@utkvx
From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Guitar info wanted
Date: 31 Aug 1992 21:10:49 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: zabriskie.berkeley.edu

Henry Corcoran <CORCORAN@NDSUVM1.BITNET> writes:

> Hello, I am a novice guitarist and want to purchase a one 
> evetually. I have many questions: steel vs. nylon strings, 
> 6 vs. 12, new or used, what do I look for in a guitar, 
> price etc. Since I can most likely afford to own one guitar, 
> I have to choose wisely. My musical interests are celtic 
> (reels, airs and folk that has a lot of finger-picking. 

The basic instrument for what you'd like to do would be
a steel-string guitar with 6 strings.  12-strings are fun
instruments, but not as versatile.  Nylon string guitars
can sound beautiful but do not have the right tonality for
the music you prefer.  And probably you want a dreadnought
or similar sized guitar, rather than a smaller one
(i.e. something with about the same dimensions as a Martin D-18).

Most guitarists start out with a completely inexpensive
instrument.  I have never encountered a guitar that does
not sound at least okay with a fresh set of strings on it, 
so look for a guitar that is playable, does not buzz,
is fret-true, and is not damaged in some way.  If you observe
these things there is no lower limit on price.  If you
want to buy a new instrument, I think the basic cheapest Guild 
can be had for around $500; and Japanese instruments in that 
price range and below.  

If your are like most people, you will want to string your 
guitar with either medium or light gauge phosphor-bronze 
strings; or if you prefer really light action, silk-and-steel 
strings.  When checking out a guitar in a store, always ask 
which gauge strings are on it.  Check it out both with and
without a pick.  

Have fun!!

Steve
From: stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Lyrics request: The Banks of the Lee
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:41:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: constell.1992Sep3.144104.25018
Organization: AUS
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu

In article <1992Sep3.091846.25525@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Gerry.Mulvenna@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Gerry Mulvenna) writes:
> 
> 
> Does anyone know the song "The Banks of the Lee"?
> 
> It goes something like this:
> 
> Every bush, every bower
> Every wild Irish flower
> Reminds me of my Mary
> On the banks of the Lee.
> 
> For I love her ever dearly
> Most truly and sincerely
> There's no-one in this wild world
> That I love more than thee.
> 
> I cannot remember the other verses.  I heard a rumour that Silly Wizard
> may have recorded it.  Does anyone know any more verses or any recordings
> of this song?  (Not to be confused with "The Banks of My Own Lovely Lee").
> 
> Gerry Mulvenna (osg1688@v2.qub.ac.uk)
> Belfast, Ireland
> 
> --
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>      North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>         Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>            internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
> 
> 

Silly Wizard did record it on one of those two live albums - sorry I can't
remember which one. Andy Stewart sings it (well, who else?) - get out
the hanky.

When I saw the Lee, all I could think of was the song. :-)

Stacey
From: KR#4@lafibm.lafayette.edu (KR#4000)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Good sound at Philly Folk Festival
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:01:46 GMT
Organization: Lafayette College
Originator: news@lafcol

I want to make note of the real improvements in sound at this year's
Philadelphia Folk Festival.  They replaced the white plywood video
screens with real screens, moved the speaker stacks behind them,
separated the main stacks from the stage, and stopped using the Tank
and Craft stage speakers as delay systems.  The combination of changes
really made a difference.  The sound engineers have always been laboring
with a sub-par setup.  This year, the design changes plus some power
boosts and new gear, really had an impact on the way that audience
perceived/enjoyed the festival.

Any comments about the music?  In general I thought it was good, but
I'll save comments for another posting.
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: tswift@well.sf.ca.us (Theodore John Swift)
Subject: Song Request- The Alto's Lament
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 07:24:21 GMT


I'm looking for a song -I can only hope I didn't dream it- called
_The Alto's Lament_.  It pokes fun at the fact that the alto's part
in most SATB arrangements is, shall we say, not the most intuitive
line.  She's usually presented with all kinds of strange jumps and
intervals because the composer writes in the alto part last.
  I heard it a few years ago and haven't heard of it since.  Any
leads would be most appreciated.  Please e-mail to one of the
addresses below, since I don't read this group very often.  Thanks
-Ted
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"I don't know, sir"    ~P.G. Wodehouse
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
From: bobsoron@world.std.com (Bob Soron)
Subject: Re: The Dutchman/Liam Clancy?
Followup-To: rec.music.folk
Summary: Jerry Jeff Walker just recorded it, too
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:13:00 GMT

In article <DALTON.92Aug27023114@mantle.Geop.UBC.CA> dalton@mantle.Geop.UBC.CA (David Dalton) writes:
>A friend of mine  bought a tape by Liam Clancy to have a copy of the
>song _The Dutchman_, but was a little disappointed in the version. 
>The one he had heard may have been a live version - do you happen to 
>know where he might find it?  What other recorded versions are there, 
>by Liam Clancy or other artists?  I'm not sure which album he has.
>
>David <Dalton@Geop.UBC.CA>
>

It's also on Jerry Jeff Walker's newest, "Hill Country Rain." Some weird
and unfortunate production (he decided it would be really, really cute
to have seagulls at the beginning and end of the song) but once the song
itself starts, he does it nicely. He also did it on Austin City Limits
last time he was on (couple years ago) and mentioned he'd learned it from
a Clancy tape.

Bob Soron
bobsoron@world.std.com
"With Velcro, gravity is obsolete" -- Mister Boffo
From: HENKLE@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU (Doug Henkle, Univ of Wis Oshkosh)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Mike Oldfield discography (sorry, wrong newsgroup)
Date: 1 Sep 1992 11:26:27 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

     Sorry about sending the previous message to the wrong newsgroup.  It
was supposed to go to rec.music.newage .  That's what happens when you
can't reply directly to a message while you are reading it.

                                  Doug
                            henkle@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu
From: fnsjc@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: flaco jiminez
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:22:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.1992Sep2.122229.1
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

In article <BtyrsL.3s8@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, krol@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed Krol) writes:
> The Ry Cooder quote reminded me of something.  I was reading a magazine
> on a plane where they were talking about Flaco Jiminez doing an
> album with him headlining with all the people he was a studio
> musician for playing background for him.  Well I have been looking
> for the album and cant find it.  I thought the name was Partners.
> I can;t find one by that name, but saw one called Amigos.  Did I 
> just translate before I stored it away or is there another album 
> not yet released.

The album Flaco's Amigos (Arhoolie 3027) came out in 1988 and features
Peter Rowan, Ry Cooder, Fred Ojeda and others.  I always thought it 
was a good album.
Xref: sparky rec.music.folk:5986 soc.culture.australia:20
From: krj@netsun.cl.msu.edu (Ken Josenhans)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.australia
Subject: Re: Australian Folk?
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:52:45 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <1992Aug29.190030.19576@nevada.edu> jablin@nevada.edu 
       (DOUGLAS JABLIN) writes:
>I've been interested in folk music, especially celtic, folk-rock coming
>out around the world. I've only heard snippets about bands of this vein
>coming out of Australia. 

Here's three bands I've discovered:

1) Mara -- Mara (originally called Tansey's Fancy but renamed for their 
   lead singer after their first album) draws songs from a variety of 
European immigrant traditions, most notably English and Eastern European.
It's a very acoustic sound, almost jazz-influenced in spots;  on the 
two albums for which they borrowed bassist Danny Thompson they have a 
considerable similarity to Pentangle.  Albums:  TANSEY'S FANCY, IMAGES,
ON THE EDGE, and DON'T EVEN THINK.  #2&#3 are my favorites, #4 the only CD.)

2) Roaring Jack -- I generally describe this Irish-derived folk-rock band
   as sounding like the Pogues with a sober Shane MacGowan.  (Their first 
album opens with a drinking anthem, so they're not *that* sober...)
Fiercely left politics.  I rather liked the first album THE CAT AMONG THE 
PIGEONS; I was less delighted with the followup, THROUGH THE SMOKE OF 
INNOCENCE.

3) Wild Pumpkins at Midnight -- Wild Pumpkins are a more acoustic sort of 
   folk-rockers.  The first of the two albums I have, THIS MACHINE IS MADE
OF PEOPLE, is an EP-length essay on the lives, hopes and despairs of 
working people.  It's what the Richard Thompson HARD CASH project should 
have been.  WPM come across as passionate but not strident.  This album
features a lovely female singer whose name might be Deb Matthews; she left
the band after this recording.
 
Their most recent album is LITTLE VICTORIES, a very nice acoustic folk rock
work which alternates between protest songs and relationship songs.
 
-----

Availability: don't try special ordering these from your local mall store!
Mara has an audience in the UK -- they have been favorites of the 
FOLK ROOTS mafia -- so their albums can be found from good UK sources, or 
possibly from Roots & Rhythm in California.
 
The Roaring Jack and Wild Pumpkins albums came through trade deals with 
Australian netters; all four of those albums are on the Australian label
Mighty Boy and I have no recommendations for commercial sources in the US.




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Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: hendricks@cdrom.enet.dec.com (Holly Hendricks)
Subject: Re: Lyric requests (Gypsy Rover)
Reply-To: hendricks@cdrom.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:04:49 GMT


A few more verses to the Gypsy Rover:

The Gypsy Rover went over the hill
Down to the valley so shady 
He whistled and he sang as the green woods rang
And he won the heart of a lady

She left her father's castle fine
She left her own true lover
She left her servants and her estate
To follow the gypsy rover

Her father saddled his fastest steed
He rode the valleys all over
He sought his daughter at great speed
And the whistling gypsy rover

He's no gypsy my father said she
But lord of the free lands all over
And I will stay til my dying day
With the whistling gypsy rover

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Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH 03062
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From: martin@lyra.cis.umassd.edu (Gary Martin)
Subject: Re: Whaling Songs?
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 22:59:53 GMT


Thanks to Rob for all the information.  There were a number of
informative e-mail responses, but I've been too busy to compile
them into a summary (not to mention the fact that our machines
were down for four days while they waxed the floors!).  I also
did some research, but not as successfully.  The Oxford Book of
Sailors' Songs (or something like that - it's at home) had four
whaling songs out of about 150.  Stan Hugill's book had a small
handful, too.  I'll try to get the summary done soon.

--
Gary A. Martin, Assistant Professor of Mathematics, UMass Dartmouth
Martin@cis.umassd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
From: was@ils.nwu.edu (Wayne Schneider)
Subject: Re: The Dutchman/Liam Clancy?
Followup-To: rec.music.folk,soc.culture.celtic
Organization: Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:53:49 GMT

In article <DALTON.92Aug27023114@mantle.Geop.UBC.CA>,
dalton@mantle.Geop.UBC.CA (David Dalton) wrote:
> 
> A friend of mine  bought a tape by Liam Clancy to have a copy of the
> song _The Dutchman_, but was a little disappointed in the version. 
> The one he had heard may have been a live version - do you happen to 
> know where he might find it?  What other recorded versions are there, 
> by Liam Clancy or other artists?  I'm not sure which album he has.
> 
> David <Dalton@Geop.UBC.CA>

"The Dutchman", if this is the song I'm thinking of, is by Chicago-area
songwriter Michael Smith.  He has recorded it on his album _Michael Smith_
(creative title, I guess) with some nice fiddle work by another Chicago
artist whose name slips my mind.  The album is available from Flying Fish
records.  It has been recently issued as a long-playing CD that also
includes the album _Love Songs_.

"The Dutchman" has also been recorded by Steve Goodman, but I don't know
what album(s) to find it on.

Hope this helps...

    wayne

Wayne A. Schneider                  ''O Koenigin, das Leben ist doch
schoen!''
Institute for the Learning Sciences                 - Friedrich Schiller
1890 Maple Ave., Evanston, IL 60201       *Opinions neither solicited*
    was@ils.nwu.edu                              *nor sanctioned*
From: eh1n+@andrew.cmu.edu (Elaine Hyder)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Australian Folk?
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:58:58 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Depending on your tastes you might want to check out Not Drowning
Waving.  They have one album that has been released in the US, "Claim". 
It's very hard to describe.  It's about half instrumental and includes
native Australian instruments.  Several other albums have been released
in Australia, one of which was a collaboration with, I believe, New
Guinea native musicians.  Another one was acoustic.  Unfortunately I
don't have the names of these albums.  I do know that they are very
difficult to come by in the US. and Canada.  A friend of mine was able
to get them from a fellow music fan in Australia.  I definitely
recommend checking them out.
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