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From: kko@terapin.com (Kenneth Ko..)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: USA v. Japan comments
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:19:25 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <1992Jul28.211632.572@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>,
jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov (L J "Jim" Kiraly) writes:

     [stuff relating to volleyball deleted]

>__________________________________________________________________
>Jim Kiraly- jim@ljkiraly.lerc.nasa.gov- NASA Lewis Research Center
>----------------- NeXT Mail preferred ----------------------------

ummm, any relation to the big guy himself?
From: Eric.J.Baumgartner@dartmouth.edu (Eric J. Baumgartner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Under the Net & Out of Bounds
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:33:40 GMT
 <1992Jul19.015044.16763@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> 
 <1992Jul19.152853.24623@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu> 
 <4977@transfer.stratus.com>  
 <1992Jul21.121111.8668@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Jul21.121111.8668@sunb10.cs.uiuc.edu>
wang@ibma1.cs.uiuc.edu (Eric Wang) writes:

> I think, however, that either this rule is not strictly enforced, or
> FIVB uses a slightly different interpretation.  In one of the recent WVL
> playoff matches (2nd USA-Holland match, I think), Eric Sato took a
> flying leap over his own bench to save an errant dig, taking off from
> inside the court, playing the ball *in the air*, and landing in the open
> area behind the bench seats.  Technically, by USVBA Com 1.9, this is a
> violation, since Sato didn't have a foot on the floor when he played the
> ball.  Maybe FIVB requires only that the player *take off* from a
> playable area.

I would hope that taking off inside the court and playing the ball in
the air is legal. Spiking's hard enough as it is.

Unless it's explicitly mentioned, where you go "out-of-bounds" after
you've made contact with the ball is irrelevent. It was a point of
pride on my college team to be able to say you cleared the bench
(either in the air or by taking out all the chairs/scrubs/coaches) on a
defensive play.

On the other hand, I have played USVBA tournaments where they
explicitly said "going into the adjacent court at any time is a fault".
If that's the case, so be it. World League doesn't have to worry
aboutthe other pool too much.


Eric Baumgartner
Dartmouth College
From: alee@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Beach Rules
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:14:35 GMT

In article <vypmfrb@lynx.unm.edu>, droes@carina.unm.edu (steven roy droesndylniir) writes:
> I have hopefully a quick question regarding beach rules.
> I am assuming that they hold for grass doubles as well.
> 
> The question is this-- Can a player use his feet to pass the ball
> in two man beach or grass volleyball?  Also if there is a 
> reference to a rule book it would be helpful since there
> is a heated discussion going on about this.
>
Steven,
       In 2-man sand/grass volleyball a player may use any part of his body
to play the ball. I believe this rule is stated in the FOVA (Federation of
Volleyball Asociations) rule book. To join FOVA & get a rule book send $25
to: 
    FOVA
    P.O. BOX 2987
    COSTA MESA
    CA.  92628.

Note, the indoor rules will change after the olympics to allow the ball to
be played on a hard-driven ball  (i.e. spike) below the waist. I don't know
the specific rule but I'm sure someone in this newsgroup does.
I hope this helps.
                   Alex Lee
From: MULLEN@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu (Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Japan outplayed USA ? *NOT NOT NOT *
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:23:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bs40B0.K6
Organization: Tony's Most Excellent NewsReader
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Jul28.155641.610@ee.gatech.edu> wung@eecom.gatech.edu writes:

> In article Kos@news.cso.uiuc.edu, MULLEN@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu (Evil Twin) writes:
> >As to the statement of Japan outplaying USA.  If the protest wasn't upheld
> >who would have won the match?
> >
        [...sigstuff...]]
> 
> Wait a second, the Japanes team got shellacked by the USA team this past
> year.  They were 0-2 in matches against the US, 0-6 in games.  In terms of
> overall ability, the US is far superior than the Japanes, but they just plain
> outhustled the US team.  They got a bunch of digs and blocks and were able to
> play great fundamental ball, i.e. passing, hitting etc.  So yes, the Japanese
> outplayed the Americans, but the American talent was good enough to win even
> though they played like shit.
> 
        [...sigstuff...]

Does not compute.  In a match Team A plays great fundamental ball.  Team A gets
a lot of digs and blocks.  Team B wins.  Now if Team A did so well, but Team B
wins, doesn't that mean that Team B must have outplayed Team A?

Tony -
--

Evil Twin -                                                       one_spike
	the Man, the Myth, the Legend in His Own Mind -         //~____/  ~\\
		mullen@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu                     \\~    \  ~//
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: What I think Fred-bo (Sturm, the USA co
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:50:22 GMT

In article 27964@wuecl.wustl.edu, van@seurat.wustl.edu (Van Vo) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.033944.4736@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
>oski@d31mf0.Stanford.EDU (L. Ravi Narasimhan) writes:
>> I also found it very ironic that it was a Brazilian ref who yellow
>> carded Samuelson.  His countrymen have to be amongst the worst, if not
>> the worst, trash-talkers in volleyball.  And there is no love lost
>> between USA and Brazil.
>> 					--- Ravi Narasimhan
>> 					    oski@clockwise.att.com
>>  
>
>I didn't think it was a Brazilian ref.  For some reason, I thought he
>was from some piddly dink country, not to degrade his country.
>
>Van


This was part of the problem.  The up ref was Aizerbaijani ( aformer soviet republic,
the down ref was Brazilian, and the scorekeeper was French.  The working language is 
english, and I don't think anyone of the three in the officiating crew spoke english
that well.  It was the up ref who pulled the yellow card.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: ckeller@wam.umd.edu (Christopher Keller)
Subject: SPALDING AVP BALL
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: rec.sport.volleyball
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:35:32 GMT

I have a question for any knowledgable ball vetrans out there.  About
a month ago I bought a Spalding ball (you know the official ball of the AVP),
at any rate, the ball is rather egg shaped.  My question is, did I get ripped
off, or is it not broken in yet?  I use it for a couple of hours every night,
so it is broken in somewhat.  Thanks for any help.  
-- 
Christopher N Keller
  "Of course I know what a vector is, it's an arrow, right?"

email: ckeller@wam.umd.edu   *University of Maryland, College Park*
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Re: Lori Endicott
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:32:18 GMT

   Ahhh, Lori was only a tad under the weather. Phew! She did look a
little bit on the sick side when they showed close-ups of her. I knew
the reason she wasn't playing had to be something like that. Let's hope
she is back for the next match. And, she is a cute one too! Even sweaty
she is one hot babe! Hee hee hee...

   I seem to think that Paula Weishoff played a LOT better than Caren
Kemner. Weishoff seemed to have more power hitting, more shots and was
just a more versatile hitter. But, Kemner had some booming 10' hits. It
is a tough call.


                                          - Drummer -
From: julier@master.CNA.TEK.COM (Julie Richardson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Japan vs. USA (spoiler, ruling)
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:42:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <1992Jul27.202251.28645@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com>, tomoo@hpmctt.mcm.hp.com (Tomoo Taguchi) writes:
> >       Where do the individual pools now stand? Is the US completely out,
> >       or were these prelim games?

> No, the Japan game was the first for the US.  They still play Canada,
> Spain, France, and Italy.  

So if I understand this correctly they get to play 4 more teams then the best
of those go for the gold or what??

Thanks for the updates!!


> Hope they can get their act together.  Anyone
> hear an update on Ivie's condition?  It's rather ironic that Ivie's
> replacement, Samuelson, was the deciding factor in the match.  

> Aside from his two yellow cards, 

His yellow cards lost them the game -- You can't make up for that!!

> I thought he played a good game with some
> great kills and digs.
> 
> Tomoo

The following is my personal opinion.  I thought Samuelson's attitude
SUCKED!!  

He acted like a spoiled brat.  The others on the USA team were not
throwing tantrums.

I know that I do not like to play with people who act like that --
when they are on my team or the other.  Its rude!!

Thank you for your time.

Julie 
Redmond OR
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: A1.KAK@isumvs.iastate.edu (TRAVIS MCGEE)
Subject: Re: USA vs. Japan (update on prior post)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:53:52 GMT

>
>Japan filed the protest _after_ the match. International rules
>state that the protest must be filed _immediately_ from the
>time of the point in question, or it is invalid. A committee
>will meet Monday morning to decide to do one of the following:
>
>1) No change, USA wins.
>2) Protest upheld, match overturned, Japan wins.
>3) Protest upheld, match continued as a replay of the point.

  The late word is the committee picked 2, protest upheld, match
overturned, Japan wins."  Sorry USA, not much you can do with
bad refs.

                                   - Kevo -
                       Be good and you will be lonesome" M. Twain
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Re: New London Jose Cuervo
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 00:24:07 GMT

In article <Steve.7.712003846@newsbase.cs.yale.edu> Steve@newsbase.cs.yale.edu (Steve Morytko) writes:
>Anyone on the list playing at Jose Cuervo in New London CT this 
>weekend? How about you Drummer? Steve (The Slimer) and George	
>(The Hammer) plan to be there playing in A division. You'll know
>us by the canes we have to use to move around (we're 40 and 46
>respectively). Are there any older doubles teams out there?
>-----------------------------------------------------------------

   Of course I am going to be there! I am just about to leave and get my
bananas and Gatorade. Just dilly-dallying around. Yea, you guys are 40
and 46, but rated B+ and A-. Bro and I are on the "revenge tour" from
last year at Westport. My sand game has improved 100% too. But, we'll
see you guys on the sand. Maybe they can keep us a little closer to the
festivities this year. Not like last year. (Got some footwear this year
too. No more heat exhaustion and blistered feet!)



                                                 - Drummer -
From: tomoo@hpmctt.mcm.hp.com (Tomoo Taguchi)
Subject: Re: USA/Japan Women-RESULTS
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:24:19 GMT

Just a few thoughts on the Women's game vs Japan.

I thought Weisoff was awesome.  They kept using a play where she would
run behind the setter and hit a back one near the right antenna while
the middle hitter faked.  I don't remember a time when she was block or
dug.  It went down every time.  Also, I thought Kemner had a good game.
Perhaps not great for a woman considered to be the best female player in
the world, but I thought she got the job done.  From the commentary on
the Triple cast, Zutterland (who grew up and played in Japan, but
married and American) was put in to break her into the olympics and
possibly to work out jitters caused by playing against former teammates.
I thought she did a creditable job.

The whole match was really tight.  The only game where one team
dominated was the fourth game where the US won 15-8.  The scoring was
really streaky in that one team would rack up 4-5 points, go into a
slump, and let the other team catch up.  In the fifth game the US was up
by 3 or 4 points and let it slip away.  At least it isn't the medal
round.

Just my $0.02 worth.

Tomoo
From: loucks@Software.Mitel.COM (Jack Loucks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Canada vs Espana
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:14:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.

Anybody catch the Canada/Espana match on CTV Sunday?  It could've gone
either way.  A couple of observations...

Randy Gingera : This guy's mind was elsewhere.  First time in the Olympics
and he's hitting the ball outta-bounds on key points. Talk about pressure...

Al Coulter : Way-da-go Captain! It sure is nice to see a 33 year-old playin'
middle-blocker so effectively (and back-court too!)

I was amazed at one Spanish player agreeing with a touch-ball violation
during the deciding game.  Picture this, Canada smacks the ball outta
bounds, Espana is celebrating, umpire calls block touched the ball, and
there's this Spanish fella nodding his head at the umpire saying "Ya,
it was me.".  Ahhh...sportsmanship at it finest!

TTFN,

Jack


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MITEL Corporation                    Phone    : (613) 592-2122 X4937
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: ckeller@denali.gsfc.nasa.gov (Christopher Keller)
Subject: Volleyball around DC
Organization: NASA/GSFC code 923
Distribution: rec.sport.volleyball
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:38:08 GMT

Many thanks to all who responded to my question about the Spalding balls. I
have another question.  Anyone have any information on volleyball in the
Washington DC area, more specifically by College Park, Maryland?  Thanks
for any info. 


-- 
| Christopher N Keller     (intern/personal slave to Dr. Erricos C. Pavlis) | 
| "Yes I actually work here, and no I don't do the dishes!"                 |
| email: ckeller@denali.gsfc.nasa.gov  < Goddard Space Flight Center >      |

Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: rsmith@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Rick Smith)
Subject: Coaching books
Organization: Process Automation Center
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:23:58 GMT


Can anyone give me the names of some good books on coaching
volleyball?  I'm particularly interested in books that include good
clear descriptions of drills.  I've seen some of the books like
"Pass, Set, Crush" (or something close to that), but they're directed
more to individual skills.  Thanks in advance.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: alank@bnr.ca (Alan King)
Subject: In favor or rally scoring...
Organization: Northern Telecom/BNR, Research Triangle Park, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:09:28 GMT


From the rash of recent posts, I appear to be in the very
small majority of v-ball players who actually likes rally
scoring.  And, yes, I played before rally scoring was
introduced.  I agree that it affects the game, but I don't
think it adversely affects the game.

As a player, I enjoy the challenge of serving and playing
agressively knowing that any mistakes result in points for
the opposition.

As a team member, I enjoy being rewarded for having a solid
offense that can sideout effectively to score points. (Remember,
in normal scoring, the offense scores sideouts, and the defense
scores points.  IMHO, a perfect game = 15 straight blocks.)

And, as a fan, I enjoy watching both teams respond or not respond
to the pressure of a final game where every serve counts.

Oh well, just another viewpoint.

Here's the results of the latest poll:

              Against: 173,428
                  For:       1

Good luck to all teams (and refs) at Barcelona!

-Alan
From: jcp29389@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (BEACH VOLLEYBALL!!!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: SPALDING AVP BALL
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:13:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bs7rz3.Fxp
Distribution: rec.sport.volleyball
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

ckeller@wam.umd.edu (Christopher Keller) writes:

>I have a question for any knowledgable ball vetrans out there.  About
>a month ago I bought a Spalding ball (you know the official ball of the AVP),
>at any rate, the ball is rather egg shaped.  My question is, did I get ripped
>off, or is it not broken in yet?  I use it for a couple of hours every night,
>so it is broken in somewhat.  Thanks for any help.  
>-- 
>Christopher N Keller
>  "Of course I know what a vector is, it's an arrow, right?"

>email: ckeller@wam.umd.edu   *University of Maryland, College Park*

that's just the style of the ball.  i've noticed that "I DIG"s are like that
too.

jay
From: Eric.J.Baumgartner@dartmouth.edu (Eric J. Baumgartner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Out of Bounds
Date: 23 Jul 92 22:05:13 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Jul23.114856.20548@NeoSoft.com>
sideout@NeoSoft.com (Edwin Kelly) writes:

>     What happened was:
>     The person hit the ball at position 1 and then proceeded to position
> 2 without setting foot on our court.  Was it in violation or not?

As others have said, this is legal. Setters have cause to do this (a
lot or a little, depending on the team) off a poor pass. If you're
really evil (and I am) then try this: sometimes when I chase down this
pass, even if I could stay on my side, I skip under the net as you've
described. Unless the ref is REALLY good, you'll get an instinctive
whistle because you're on the other side of the net, and then you'll
get a replay. This is good because:

a. There was a lousy pass that you set on the run. You probably only
had one option and you probably didn't make a perfect set. Now you get
a replay, and hopefully, a better pass.

b. The ref made a mistake, and lost face. Make sure they know it. Those
indimidation points may pay off later in the match.

Note: don't try this twice with the same ref. (b) will backfire, and
it's tough to cover your hitter "over there."

Eric Baumgartner                   *  ebaum@dartmouth.edu
Interactive Media Lab              *  - When in danger or in doubt,
Dartmouth Medical School           *      run in circles, scream an
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: regan1046@bestsd.sdsu.edu (MARCEL SCHWANTS)
Subject: wanna play?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Keywords: sand 
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:10:00 GMT


 Okay, here's the deal. I'm in L.A. and am a intermediate player looking
 to graduate towards an advanced level. The problem is none of my friends
 play beach volleyball, so I head down to the Manhattan/Hermosa beaches and
 watch, wishing I could just drop in and play. Is there anyone out there that
 could use a regular doubles partner in those areas. I consider myself a 
 good player IF I'm playing with advanced, or near advanced players. I'm still
 learning the game and learn quick. I am male, 6'3" and am seeking offers to get
 me back into shape. Much obliged.

  Marcel.
From: kko@terapin.com (Kenneth Ko..)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Under the Net & Out of Bounds
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:10:39 GMT
Organization: BBS

Speaking of shoes, "Volleyball" magazine's newest issue has a good article
comparing most of the volleyball shoes out on the market these days.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: ematias@csri.toronto.edu (Edgar Matias)
Subject: Re: Lori Endicott
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:06:02 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.041156.29089@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz) writes:
>
>   What? Lori Endicott wasn't setting for the US team? Are you sure?
>There must be something wrong with her. She is probably one of the best
>setters in the world. Not the best blocker, but hey, she's only 5'9"
>tall. Or should I say short? Anyway, how can they bench her? The nerve
>of that coach to bench the cutest woman on the team. Is she married?
>What about Daiva Tomkus? She's a cutey too! Zowie!	

   Speaking of Daiva Tomkus, I didn't see her playing at all for most of
the USA vs. Japan match (yes, they actually showed it on CTV (the Canadian
channel covering the Games)).  Isn't she normally one of the starters?
After all, anyone featured on the cover of "Spike Nashbar" must be a
superstar...  :-)

[Inappropriate sidenote:  Mark Tewksbury pulled a bit of an upset in the
men's 100m backstroke to give Canada our first gold medal of the Games.
It's about ____'ing time!]

     - Mark Rosteck -
(g1marker@cdf.toronto.edu)
From: robp@landru.network.com (Rob Peglar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Japan vs. USA
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:34:36 GMT
Reply-To: robp@landru.network.com
Organization: Network Systems Corporation

In article 2a77d35f@atlas.nafb.trw.com, alee@atlas.nafb.trw.com () writes:
>Rob Peglar writes:
>> 	.  He should have given Samuelson an expulsion (red-yellow,
>> 	same hand) instead.  This eliminates the source of the
>> 	problem (Samuelson clearly deserved both sanctions) and
>> 	saves Samedov face "because there is no point involved".
>> 
>> Rob Peglar
>> USA National Referee
>> 
>Rob,
>    Are you saying that giving Samuelson a red-yellow card (expulsion) would
>not have also required awarding a point to Japan thus giving them the match?
>I was under the impression that the up-ref could have given a team yellow card
>and that was the only way to avoid giving a point to Japan.
>Please elaborate on your comment.
>Thanks,
>       Alex Lee


Alex et al,

The expulsion sanction does not involve a point or side-out.  The player is
removed from that set for the duration of the set.  The player is free to
enter any subsequent sets.  The serve goes with the team that won the
(last) rally.

There is no way Samedov could have awarded a team yellow card (TYC) short of
giving one for delay.  One could, after a fashion, use this as a crutch and
say "the yelling caused the match to slow down, ergo the USA is guilty of
a team delay", but that's pretty bad.  I can't see any 1st referee doing that.
You must penalize with the appropriate sanction.  At that point, given the
match conditions (i.e. match point), the appropriate sanction was an expulsion.

Later,

Rob
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From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: bouncing the ball/time before serve
Date: 21 Jul 92 18:18:49 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA

Thanks for all the replies.

Summary:
1. Server has 5 seconds to serve after the whistle
2. Server may bounce the ball as many times as he/she wants

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