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From: miller@sctc.com (Steven M. Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hip Dyplasia
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:18:42 GMT
Organization: SCTC

liza@leland.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller) writes:

>>Personally I would only send my money to OFA if the registration has
>>significant value to me.  (i.e. having the number will increase the
>>$$ I could make on stud services...)  I do think that Xrays are important 
>>if one intends to breed to make sure there aren't any serious problems.  But,
>>IMHO OFA is merely a monopoly collecting money for a grading procedure 
>>with little intrinsic value.   There is NO documented evidence that
>>a dog with any grade of passing hips will produce offspring with passing
>>hips.  
>	Well, obviously, I don't know much about Chows, but I do know in
>Labs if you don't have your dogs hips evaluated (we have two organizations
>to go through) you can pretty much kiss *any* stud service goodbye.  No
>reputable breeder is going to risk having their bitch produce dysplastic
>dogs because a stud dog owner doesn't see the point in ensuring that their
>dogs hips are clear of dysplasia.

Which agrees with my first statement.   If economics dictate...

Here's a likely scenario in your breed:
1) Quality Breeders in Labs tend to insist that the stud and bitch have
   OFA cert before breeding
2) A few concerned owners with pick of litter or otherwise high quality Labs 
   x-ray their animals so they can make money breeding them
3) If the Hips X-ray anything other than obviously HD then the owner sends
   them to OFA
4) Of the x-rays of Labs that actually make it to OFA a full 15% still fail.

Of the top labs in the country you have at least a 1 in 6 chance of having HD
even after making sure that the parents x-rayed clear!    You might as well
be rolling a die!  

What's missing is the risk of HD in a litter where one 
hasn't checked for HD in the parents.   If 1 in 6 is much less than the
norm then there is value in the process. 

Are there any studies of HD incidence in labs before the cert process
became common?   If so has it been significantly reduced?   I'd argue that
you wouldn't know if the real incidence has gone down based on my assertion
that only dogs that are passing or borderline ever have their xrays sent to
OFA.

It may turn out that breeders are doing the right thing with OFA, but I've
yet to find enough scientific evidence that it's really of much value other
than a GoodHousekeeping stamp of approval that gives people a warm fuzzy
but little practical value.   The traditional stamps of approval - pedigree
and championships - be they working or confirmation - should be the primary 
determination before considering a particular breeding.

Feel free to challenge my arguments.   

_Steve
-- 
Steven Miller
miller@sctc.com
``He's dead Jim!  You grab his tricoder.  I'll grab his wallet.''
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: berger@atropa (Mike Berger)
Subject: Re: Sick dog questions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:14:49 GMT

carruth@mksol.dseg.ti.com (matthew carruth) writes:
>eaten a lot of cat food and, perhaps, some of the corn as well.  This dog also
>has a cat stool affinity.  There is a litter box on the patio, as well.  Could
>comsumption of cat food/stools and/or dried corn kernals caused his problem? Could
>it be somthing else?
*----
Sometimes seeds are treated with chemicals to prevent molds and fungi,
or to prevent sprouting.  Maybe some of your corn was so treated.
--
	Mike Berger
	Department of Statistics, University of Illinois
	AT&TNET     217-244-6067
	Internet    berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: pdsmith.mitre.org (Pat Smith)
Subject: Re: ALASKAN MALMUTE     PLEASE HELP
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:25:36 GMT

In article <1556@eagle.ukc.ac.uk>, jm6@ukc.ac.uk (J.Mitchell) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Hello
> 
> 	I think I have made up my mind on which dogs I would like to provide
> a home for, it's an ALASKAN MALAMUTE. They are so beautiful and to me they are
> 'real dogs', I am willing to put a lot of time into training it and looking 
> after it but I have a few questions specifically about them. So if you have had
> one or have one now could you reply to me thank you.
> 
> 1) What is the minimum daily exercise it will need ( I hope to give it more )?
 these are sked dogs so use that as a judge on how much exercise they need
and deserve.  They prefer to run outside.

 2) Does it have a tendancy to wreck a room if left inside with nobody around 
> 	like I have been told the Samoyed does(NO FLAMES PLEASE)?
> yes.  My husky certainly does and prefers the out of doors
3) If you were to dispersuade me from taking on this task what would you say?
 they are great dogs - go for it
 4) How hard is it to train this breed and do they enjoy learning and playing 
> 	games ? How well can they do in obedience tests ?
 they are very smart and very stubborn.  Easily trained but you must be
in control and be consistent.  They will challenge you and will respect
your perserverence.
5) How high a fence do I need to stop a dog escaping ?  ( for its own good ! )
The real question is how deep a fence. Northern breeds love to dig.  I had
one who never went over or under a 4 foot chain link fence.  I have one 
now that nothing keeps in.  We have chain link, electronic and he still
gets out.
 6) How much do they moult and when ?
	They have a thick wooly coat that can shed quickly or over months.  They
require good grooming.  I work on him and then I take him to be professionally
groamed during the peak shedding as professionals get the wooly fur out
better than I.
> 7) Which are more common the wolf grey or the black and white markings ?
> 8) Is there anything SPECIFIC TO THE BREED that I should look out for which is
> 	not in the FAQ ?
> 
These dogs are people lovers, males tend to be aggressive around other male
dogs, they love the cold and snow, keeping them inside is not good for them,
some have hip problems, they don't bark - they howl, they don't smell doggy
like some breeds do.  They are the best in my opinion.They are very strong -
physically and willed.
> If you can answer any of these questions from first hand experience I would 
> really appreciate it. I have read the only book I have found dedicated to the 
> breed and a few others which have a small section in them but they don't asnwer
> these questions.
> Thanks in advance
> 
> 
> 
> JOHN
> 
>
From: bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Saying Goodbye to an Old Friend
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:21:38 GMT
Reply-To: bws20@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article: <9SEP92.17193198@wums.wustl.edu>Beverly asks:

>        OH Has anyone out there had a portrait taken with their dog?  I
>don't mean the Santa and doggie picture but a real studio-serious picture
A friend of mine did once-I thought it was sorta weird at the time but I'
>considering it for our first professional portrait. Oh yea- I mean dogs
>that are pets only- not the show dogs etc where I can see a need.
>Beverly
>Wash Univ. Med School, St. Louis, MO


What timing!  We are planning to do just that.  We stopped by the local
Olan Mills on Thursday to find out they just quit taking pet portraits.
Considering they still take pictures of little monsters--I mean kids--
we were very disappointed.
 So does anyone know of a good (professional, not cousin Emily)
photographer for a studio (or outdoor) portrait in the S.F. Bay area?
HAs anyone heard of/used Valrie Massey (sp?) She advertises animal
portraiture in the Pet Gazette.

Thanks for the help. (Note that East or South Bay would be preferred,
but we will go where we have to.)

bws
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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Black GSDs
Date: 10 Sep 92 00:11:51 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Kay writes:

>As the time approaches for us to bring Siegfriend home (like FRIDAY!)
>I am beginning to think. They told us he wasn't show
>quality, conformation wasn't right, but they mentioned that he could bring
>in a lot of money as a stud just because he was black, well, we were going
>to get him neutered anyways but just out of curiousity, would he really?

I would think twice about getting a dog from this breeder, even though it
may be hard considering you've already named him and everything. He has
poor conformation, but they suggest you should use him to make money as a
stud? If they practice what they preach, they are doing things WRONG. Have
their dogs been screened for hip dysplasia and other hereditary problems
common in GSD's?

BTW: I don't know if black GSD's are 'okay' or not, but I DO know that
'rare' is a label attached to things like white boxers in order to sell
them at inflated prices at pet stores.

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From: llmacdon@orion.oac.uci.edu (Linda Macdonald)
Subject: Re: Shutterbugs
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 10 Sep 92 21:30:13 GMT

In article <92254.124728NAT@psuvm.psu.edu> patty mulkeen <NAT@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>     I have a question for all the folks who take lots of pictures
>of their dogs.  How do you get the dog to look happy for the
>camera?  When I take pictures of my lab/golden mix, he gets a very
>sad look on his face and his tail  droops as soon as I look through
>the camera.  It's pretty pitiful, certainly not what I want to capture
>on film!  Any hints would be appreciated (posted or e-mailed, I check
>this newsgroup pretty frequently).  Thanks!
>                                                   Patty Mulkeen
>                                                   nat@psuvm.psu.edu
>
>
Patty,

You might try holding a squeaky toy and squeaking it when you get
ready to take the picture (or have someone help you).  You might also
try holding a treat up to get the dog's attention and then giving the
dog the treat after you have the picture.  I also find that just
talking to my dogs helps get them motivated (of course, one of them
is a ham, so she doesn't need much encouragement).

Linda Mac
From: vib@fns-nc1.fns.com (Victor Bur)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: competition training
Date: 16 Sep 92 01:48:51 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fujitsu Network Switching


Hi Terri,

Congratulations on Marco's first CDX leg.
I also was in Lynchburg last Sunday, and my dog got his first CDX leg too!
It's a small world.
See you in Danville?

Best regards.
Victor
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Subject: We did it!
Organization: Purdue University
Distribution: rec.pets.dogs
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:04:16 GMT


We did it!  Wolfie got his CD on Sunday!
We got a 184.5 on Saturday at the Logansport dogs show and a 183 on
Sunday at the Lafayette show (in Logansport) to finish off his CD,
(He got his first leg in March at the
Collie Specialty in Indy. with a 183.5).

He averaged 183.6 over four shows (yes we goofed at the first one), which
is 3.6 pts on average better than his mother, Mauii (she also finished 
in four shows). So, either
the trainer is getting better or the dog's are (or maybe both :) ).
He also finished in just one year of shows, where it took me and Mauii
about three years (more because I was so busy!)   

I'm so proud of my little bud -- he worked hard to get it!

----------------------------------------------
Marla Belzowski    saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF  -- tri color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee  -- 4mo. sable and white collie
From: tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke)
Subject: Lab Throid Problems?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:56:28 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

I've got a 1.5 year old chocolate akc lab. After spaying last year she
began to gain weight. Spaying was at about 9 months old.  She has
continued to gain weight. She's now approching 85+ pounds. We recently
moved to Colorado and now she's losing some hair and began to get a bald
spot on one side. We're feeding her 4 cups of ProPlan Lite food each day
but still cannot get a weight loss. Friends suggested she may have a
thyroid problem. Went to vet today and he is running several tests.
 
Has anyone here ever had a similar problem? I.e dog gaining weight
without eating too much, or heard of dog thyroid problem?  Th dog only
eats dog food, no human food. The dog is fed in her crate each morning
as we feed our other dog (a 8 month old English Springer Spaniel) a
different food and a different amount of food.
 
Help please.  

Tom Vervaeke
Please reply via Email as I don't check this too often.
From: williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Desperately seeking a major)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Upset digestive tract (was: IAMS dog food)
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:50:16 EST

In article <18if9uINNrs@moe.ksu.ksu.edu>, terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull) writes:
.> mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson) writes:
> 
> If my dogs get diarrhea, my vet recommends a very bland diet of
> hamburger with cooked rice. We take 4 cups of rice and cook it, and
> then add 1/2 lb of hamburger.  The dogs love it and it seems to get
> their digetive tract back to normal very quickly.  (BTW: The hamburger
> should be strained VERY well before it is added to the rice.)  

My vet's plan for an upset digestive tract is to not feed them for 24 hours
and then feed them this rice and hamburger mixture.  He told us to boil the
hamburger to get th grease off of it.  It works very well.

Kim
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Dog in Heat, Any suggestions
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:19:41 GMT

In <21020156@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> shaw@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Shaw Moldauer) writes:

>In rec.pets.dogs, bev@pmafire.inel.gov (Beverly Novak) writes:

>> I have a 8 month old female dog who is going into heat.  I bought one of
>> those sanitary straps for her, but she chewed it off.  I have also tried
>> mens underware, but she got those off too.  She is an out side dog, so I
>> don't really want to lock her up in the garage.  Can any one give me
>> some suggestions on how to preventer her from getting pregnant?  I want
>> to bread her when she is 2 years old.
>>
>> Please EMail you suggestions to bev@pmafire.inel.gov
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Bev Novak

>	Chain link kennel with a chain link roof and concrete running
>around the perimeter to a depth of 12" ought to do it.

Sanitary straps are meant to prevent the discharge from staining
(furniture, carpet, etc.).  They will not prevent breeding from
occuring.  With respect to chain link fencing, there are recorded
instances of dogs breeding through the open links.  I'd put solid
material through the chain link (like they do to shield construction
sites sometimes) on some of the sides and use double fencing (six
inches of separation ought to be enough!) for the rest of it.

Of course, spaying works even better.  If you're planning to "bread"
your dog, I am, frankly, dubious about the quality of the resulting
litter.

--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all eight parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: moser@mccc.edu (sue moser)
Subject: Frightened Greyhound
Organization: The College On The Other Side of Route One
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:35:31 GMT

This is my first posting so I apologize in advance for any errors.

I have been reading this group for over a year and I thank all of
you for your helpful advice. The FAQs have proved invaluable.


Anyway, the point is I adopted a Greyhound two months ago. He is
now 17 months old. He is not a retired racing dog, but he was adopted
at the age of five months by someone who had to return him to the
National Greyhound Adoption Program because the person's job required
that he could not be home enough with the dog. Apparently the Greyhound
(name Tiger) was having accidents in the house, digging, and chewing
(but wouldn't you have accidents if left alone 12 -14 hrs? ;-)). Tiger has
proven to be a wonderful animal, loving, gentle, and playful. He
gets along extremely well with my female lab hybrid (Gizmo) who is
15 months old. Both are spayed/neutered, but I guess you could say this is
a true case of puppy love. Both are kept crated when unsupervised and seem
to be happy with this arrangement.

All went well until the Labor Day weekend. They were outside playing
at 8:00 PM one night when some idiot set off some very loud fireworks -
really loud - sounded like 1/4 sticks of dynamite. Gizmo was
startled but is now fine - I had her as a puppy last summer and she
is used to hearing occasional loud noises. Tiger on the other hand
has been a total wreck. He doesn't even want to go out in the evening,
trembles, and all he wants is to go back into his crate. Even parties
(not loud) where there are many people scare him. I did take him to
my neighbor's pool party where he shook but the hostess bribed him with
small pieces of hot dog. He settled down a bit.

I'm guessing that Tiger was not well socialized as a puppy, and I am now
doing something new with him every day - taking him to the pet store,
on walks around the neighborhood, to the neighborhood shopping center,
etc. in an effort to socialize him better. It's harder to do
at this age than it would have been a year ago.

So, please, you doggie people out there in Net Land - help!!!
Any ideas? How can I help Tiger?


Sue Moser
moser@mccc.edu
Day phone: 609-799-0400 x2553
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu 
Subject: Bouviers
Originator: usenet@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:04:00 GMT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University Computing Services, Norman, OK

Hi!
	Anyone out there have Bouviers?  I would like some personal information
on them, specifically what is there temperament like?  Are they good in 
obedience?  Are they good with other dogs?  At what age are their ears
cropped?  How difficult would it be to find one that could do it all, 
ie. obedience, conformation, shutzhund (spelling?) and family pet?
	Any information would be appreciated.
			THANKS!
............................................................................
Kathy Greenwood                | Mom to 
Math Major (believe it or not!)|   Loucha and Landry (Belgian Sheepdogs)
University of Oklahoma         |   Ruger (English Springer Spaniel)
                               |   Elsa (German Wirehair Pointer)
.............................................................................
From: terry@eece.ksu.edu (Terry Hull)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: 6 mo. old GSD vs. my 4 yo daughter - HELP
Date: 8 Sep 1992 18:45:47 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.eece.ksu.edu

bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons) writes:

>An incongruity about use of a crate (apologies if this has been discussed
>already, I am a few days behind on this group).


>TH]Now for something very practical that you can do immediately.  When
>TH]the dog is around your daughter, make sure there is an adult there to
>TH]monitor the situation and handle the dog.  I would not allow the dog
>TH]to put his mouth on my daughter.  If he does this, I would scruff
>TH]shake him and/or alpha roll him and take him out of the situation.
>TH]Effectively, I would tell him that if he does not play nice, he can't
>TH]play at all.  Putting him in his crate for a while seems like a good
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>TH]possibility.  

>Hmmm, this seems to me to be using the crate as a punishment, If I
>understand this correctly.  I have always thought this was the last thing
>one would want to do with a crate.

The crate can be used for many things.  One of them is certainly a
"time out chair" kind of thing that many parents use with their kids.
That is what I'm recommending here.  I don't recommend putting the dog
into the crate harshly or being mad at it.  Neither do I recommend
leaving the dog in the crate for several hours.  I want to show him
that if he plays nice, he can play with the other pack members, and if
he is not nice, he will have to miss out on the fun.  

Any other action that would a) take the dog out of the situation and
b) not reward the dog for his actions would also be acceptable.  For
example, taking him to another room and placing him on a 30 minute
down-stay would be OK, but if the dog is not obedience trained that
will not work well.  You do NOT want to reward the dog with extra
attention after he disobeys, so I recommended the crate as a general
purpose suggestion that would accomplish the purpose.  If you make
certain that most experiences in the crate are positive ones, then
using a crate like this should not cause any problems.  If on the
other hand, you find yourself constantly crating your dog because if
his misbehavior, he probably needs more training (and/or exercise
maybe?) and less crating.  Please don't think of a crate as a
substitute for training, but it is an excellent passive restraint
system to help you avoid problems.  

With my adult dogs, I use the long long down method, but with my puppy
a long down is about 2 minutes, so that is not effective.

--
Terry Hull  -  terry@eece.ksu.edu
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kansas State University
From: rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Saying Goodbye to an Old Friend
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:24:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Sep9.172452.25329
Distribution: usa
Organization: Eastman Kodak

In article <1992Sep4.203209.6126@sequent.com> schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes:
>For all of you out there with healthy, vibrant pets......please take
>plenty of pictures.  They'll get you through some tough times down the
>road.  They bring back memories and funny things you can remember
>instead of when you had to say goodbye.

Yes, I sat with my pictures of *all* my old dogs when my last one died.
It was comforting somehow.  I have videos of Kelsey!