From: dennis@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Dennis Schulze)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Demonstration in Berlin Sun 8 Nov 92
Date: 9 Nov 1992 19:39:19 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
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In <3OP82IL@netmbx.netmbx.de> sanio@netmbx.netmbx.de (Erhard Sanio) writes:
>Personally, under the impression of the attempts of Chancellor Kohl and
>others against the constitution, I was in heavy doubt whether or not 
>joining the demonstration where wannabe constitution breakers like 
>Kohl took part as well. Additionally, the whole of the conservative 
>idiots had heated xenophobia and contributed to the sad situation 
>being the cause of the demonstration. Anyway, under the impression
>of the need to express the will to protect life and dignity of all
>people living here regardless of ther nationality and race, I decided
>to overcome that IMHO justified disgust.

Well, and others asked themself if they should demonstrate together
with PDS members who kicked human rights as the SED in the GDR. And
I don't agree with you that the current violence against foreigner
was created only by the conservative politcians. We could have solved
the problem much faster if the social democrats would finally have 
agreed to a constitutional change. I wonder why the polticians are
mostly no longer able to get a compromise...

>"Marx-Engels-Platz" (CDU attempts to rename it failed so far).

... (unfortunatly)

>The topic of not changing the constitutional right of asylum was the most
>frequently raised one on banners and signs indicating that the majority 
>of the demonstrators I saw obviously did not agree with the plans of the
>conservative government.

This is not necessarily true. I would say that the others who support
the government simply didn't show their oppinion to avoid conflicts.

>After some time, policemen started to push people back from the tribune
>which was commented by "booh"-chants and whistling from many parts of
>the place, even from people who obviously did not appreciate the distur-
>bances.

I guess that till then many people didn't know what was going on there
and started 'booh'ing when they realized that there were some people who
want to disturb the demonstration - I don't think that they not agreed
with the police action.

>After a while, the loudspeaker line broke for a while so that I (and most
>others) missed part of v.Weizsaecker's speech. Finally, the speakers 
>became operational again.

The loudspeaker line broke when the police moved in and the picture on
the big screen disappeared some seconds later. That's what I remember.

>Further on, he mentioned the need to create new rules for immigrants -
>a breach of the conservative dogma that Germany is no immigration country.

No, this interpretation is IMHO wrong: He wanted to point out that
we need a law which controls the immigration and that the real 
refugees are blocked by others.

>But instead, mayor Diepgen, who is and always was a stupid asshole,
>raved in TV calling the clowns having disturbed the demo "demonstration
>terrorists" announcing decisive action for the future. So far the
>annoying part of the affair.

You should not mix report and comments. This is not fair. Though
your report was very good I can't agree with your comments - especially
your last one.-

>Anyway, I tend to outline the positive impression of that demonstation, again.

Dito.

Dennis
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Dennis Schulze                               Free University of Berlin
Johannisthaler Ch. 361                       Department of Meteorology
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