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From: 97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Subject: Re: NCCA - Let's Fix It
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 00:43:45 PST

In article <1k1vltINNs56@tamsun.tamu.edu>
ks@stat.tamu.edu (Kurt F. Sauer) writes:
 
>Mike Prime writes:
>>The NCCA is always trying to promote the sport. This is done by staff
>>at the USCF and I don't have any details.
>
>I certainly was not faulting the NCCA staff at Colorado Springs.  I have
>had nothing but help from Alida Ruiz and the staff there.
>
 
I fault you somewhat mike. I don't place blame, but this seems like straight
forward question that could have easily been looked into. BUT, I don't see
what the NCCA is doing to promote the sport. The only contact I have with
the NCCA is when I call to ask question about the poorly defined rules.
 
>>Who would they send these flyers to?
>
>People like me:  club presidents and officers who are trying to recruit
>for their teams and for the sport.  NCCA may be trying to promote the
>sport, but membership--both in NCCA and USCF--is a one-on-one issue
>between a local club and the potential rider.  I need help recruiting
>these people.  Many other organizations provide organizational litera-
>ture and I think that NCCA should do the same.
>
>I might point out that USCF already *has* a similar flyer for USCF,
>though very few people I know have seen it.  I got a couple of dozen
>copies from our District Rep. and have used them to good effect.
>Unfortunately, it is geared to USCF racing, not collegiate, and it
>takes a good deal of explication to cover the differences in what the
>USCF pamphlet is selling and what we are selling.  Heck, a variant of
>that brochure may be all we need.
>
 
I agree. The USCF has this brochure. All you would have to do is change the
wording in some areas. The scope of the USCF has always been to include Junior
development and grass roots development, but they have done little (in my
eyes)to promote collegiate cycling.
 
>>Realize also, that the staff spends most of the bugeted time for
>>NCCA stuff doing club/rider paperwork. Any significant increase in staff
>>time would require raising some fees.
 
I seriously doubt brochures would cost the NCCA a significant amount of money
they could raise it easily! IMHO if it helps the sport I have no problem
--
Patrick David Walters                     President WSU Cycling Club
97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu                Race Dircetor WSU Stage Race
Undergrad Soc Minor in Fren and Bus         Send Mail for more info on
Washington State University   Pullman, WA   either !
paying for it!!
From: flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Let's dump UCI
Date: 21 Jan 93 16:43:32 GMT
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design

In article <1993Jan17.103501.22574@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@cs.stanford.edu writes:
[...]
>rationalizations, I suggest that Jobst simply state that he prefers to
>identify the International Cycling Union as "UCI," in which case he

So, hummm, let's see here, are we going to start refering to the Tour de France
as the "Tour of France" and equally, "The Turn of Spain", and of course the
ever popular "Spin of Italy". I'd bet there are a few acronym-generating
net-writers that wouldn't be too happy with this.

-- flip


-- 
Flip Phillips					flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
The Ohio State University 		      Asso porco Diabolus gaudet
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From: f0471913@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu
Subject: Team Fundraisers
Organization: Washington State University
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:38:31 -0800


The WSU Cycling Team is, like most teams this time of the year, trying to
figure out how to get more funding for the upcoming season. I'd like to ask all
of you out there on the net if you've had any experience with team fundraisers.
Please respond on the net with fundraisers that you've been involved with and
how successful they were.

I'll start this off with a fundraiser that is an annual event for the UC Davis
men's crew team called Bovine Bingo. A 100ft x 100ft area is marked off with
stakes and a chain to form an enclosed area of 10,000 square feet. Tickets are
sold that correspond to each square foot in the "arena". On the specified day a
large crowd gathers (good exposure for the team running the event) and a cow is
released into the arena. Everyone cheers until the cow deficates. The position
of the cow patty is then measured and whoever bought the ticket that
corresponds to the square foot occupied by the cow patty wins $5000. The
tickets sell for $3.00 apiece. That leaves a $25,000 profit for the team. This
can obviously be scaled up or down to meet your needs. One detail I'm unclear
on is whether or not the cow is fed laxitives before the event. An element that
that definitely adds to the success of the event is a large open area where
people are already gathered i.e. a quad in the middle of campus during
lunchtime, a playing field next to a farmer's market on a Saturday, etc. Good
marketing in local papers is usually easy - papers love writing articles on
off-beat eventslike this.

Thanks in advance,
Dave

David Lawson
Dept. of Biochemistry and Biophysics
Washington State University
Pullman, WA  99163-4660
f0471913@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu
From: fischer@falcons.ent.ohiou.edu (chris fischer ME)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Collegiate Racing
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:47:41 GMT
Distribution: w
Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio

In article <C19uHB.Dwr@ra.nrl.navy.mil> norton@cmf.nrl.navy.mil writes:
>
>	I believe that the situation is a bit grayer then this portrayal  
>of Penn State.  Penn State has about 20 "branch" campuses that offer only  
>freshman and sophomore courses.  Students then move to the "main"  
>(University Park) campus to finish their degrees.  Additionally, Penn  
>State has 2 or three campuses which do grant degrees  (Erie, Harrisburg,  
>and grad degrees in Philadelphia).  The UC system, SUNY, and others are  
>all independent schools.  
>
>	How do you go about partioning a sytem like Penn State's ( which I  
>believe is the only system like this in the country ).    

Ohio University (NOT Ohio State) has a similar system of 4 or 5 branch
campuses which grant 2 year degrees and serve as feeder schools for the
main campus in Athens.  This is only our 3rd year of involvement in 
collegiate racing, and we have heard nothing from riders at branch
campuses.

However, a related issue has arrisen.  About 15 miles away is a 2 year
technical college which is totally unrelated to OU.  This college had
about 3 or 4 people who were interested in racing -- clearly not enough
to form a team of their own.  We checked into this with the Midwest
conference and were told that the two schools could form a combined
team, but nothing further was ever done.


On another point -- seperate qualifications for men & women:  last year 
we had a very strong women's team.  Her name was Suzy.  She qualified
for nationals as an individual.  In the midwest conference, the top
5 male and 3 female points winners for the season who do not qualify for
nationals with their team can still go to nationals as individuals.  This
system of individual qualifiers seems to be a reasonable compromise for
schools with one or two outstanding riders.    Do other conferences have
the same system??  It seems that this system might be modified a bit
to provide a compromise between individual and team strength.

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From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: Let's dump UCI
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:10:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan17.103501.22574@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>
les@cs.stanford.edu writes: 
>Regarding my radical proposal to abbreviate "International Cycling
>Union" as "ICU," Jobst Brandt writes:
>   This is something that is typically American in a nation that likes
>   to believe we speak only one language (we don't) and that it is the
>   best language.  It reminds me of an American lady with daughter who
>   .  .  .  [irrelevant story omitted.]

Whoa!  I think you are spring loaded here, Les.
Jobst's point is to be careful of language.
The slang "pop" for a flavored, carbonated beverage is foreign to my
culture.  Here in the south, the most popular generic reference is not
"pop" but "coke", followed by soda.  

So what is, may not be to to another speaker of the same language.  As
has been pointed out drolely by others indicating ICU means as many
other things as does UCI.


-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
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From: mprime@titanium.Berkeley.EDU (Michael B. Prime)
Subject: Re: NCCA - Let's Fix It
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:16:03 GMT

In article <16B5C13AB6.97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> 97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes:

>I hold my view on this matter, but what I really want is the ability for
>"We the students" to have a say in mass about it. Not letting someone who
>can afford to fly to CO for the meetings. (No offense Mike to you personally
>just the idea that to serve you have to be financially able.)
> 
To reply on this one point: The NCCA pays for the athlete reps to attend
board meetings 2 times a year. We are working on a system to elect the
reps (probably at road nats), but for now they are appointed by the
board and the will be soliciting applications soon for next year.

Mike
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Subject: USCF/Collegiate Upgrades
From: <PWRIGHT@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 22 Jan 1993 10:24:16 EST
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

In the post by MPRIME@TITAIUM:
    <....USCF UPGRADES:.....I moved that they [collegiate races] should count >
    <for any upgrade if the collegiate race satisfied all the requirements... >
Does this mean that Collegiate races should be open to EVERYONE including those
of us who are no longer in school and are therefore not allowed to race in
collegiate events??  It would hardly be fair to non-collegiate USCF riders for
collegiate riders to have more opportunities to upgrade. Also, collegiate races
may not be entirely representative of the racing environment in a particular
district since it excludes a large number of the liscensed riders in the
district. To upgrade on points one should get their points by competing in USCF
events which are open to ALL liscened riders not some small subset of that.
grading from V to IV I can see
From: ks@stat.tamu.edu (Kurt F. Sauer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: SCCCC Conference Championships/Lodging Information
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:27:34 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
Distribution: usa
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The Conference Championship race for the South Central Collegiate Conference
will be at Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas, on April 24-25, 1993.

Any licensed collegiate rider from any conference may attend and compete,
although, like USCF Districts, only riders and teams from the SCCCC may
compete for "Conference Champion" titles.  (After we receive our USCF permit,
we will publish the race flyer by mail and electronically.)

The official lodging site is at the University Center Guest Rooms at Texas A&M
University.  You may either clip the "coupon" below and mail it in or call the
Guest Rooms (number is below) to make reservations.

I strongly recommend that you reserve rooms well in advance since the hotel
is in a very convenient spot and the number of rooms is limited.

-------- Clip here --------
                                                Reservations (409) 845-8909
                                                 Guest Rooms (409) 845-8908

                      UNIVERSITY CENTER GUEST ROOMS
                           TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY
                         Request for Reservations

Name of Meeting:  A&M Cycling Team/SCCCC Bicycle Race & Championship
Date of Arrival:  Fri., April 23, 1993   Departure:  Sun., April 25, 1993

[ ] Accomodations for one, twin bed room ................... $32.00
[ ] Accomodations for two, twin bed room ...................  37.00
[ ] Accomodations for one, queen size (limited number) .....  34.00
[ ] Accomodations for two, queen size (limited number) .....  37.00
[ ] Accomodations for one, deluxe (double or studio beds) ..  38.00
[ ] Accomodations for two, deluxe (double or studio beds) ..  43.00
[ ] Accomodations for three, deluxe (double or studio beds)   47.00
[ ] Accomodations for four, deluxe (double or studio beds) .  51.00
[ ] Rollaway bed or crib ...................................   5.00

Name:
Street:
City:
Phone:

Prices are subject to change without notice.
-------- Clip here --------
Mail to:	University Center Guest Rooms
		Aggieland Station
		P.O. Drawer H-1
		College Station, Texas 77844-9071

Questions about the race:
		Mr. John H. Pommier, Race Director
		(409) 847 3105

		Mr. Kurt F. Sauer, President, A&M Cycling Team
		(409) 847 6892
--
Kurt F. Sauer
College Station, Texas

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From: mike@scimitar.cchem.berkeley.edu (C. Michael McCallum)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: USCF/Collegiate Upgrades
Date: 22 Jan 93 22:58:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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PWRIGHT@MIAMIU.BITNET wrote:
: In the post by MPRIME@TITAIUM:
:  <....USCF UPGRADES:.....I moved that they [collegiate races] should count >
:  <for any upgrade if the collegiate race satisfied all the requirements... >
: Does this mean Collegiate races should be open to EVERYONE including those
: of us who are no longer in school and are therefore not allowed to race in
: collegiate events?? 


No, no, no.
Just that the collegiate races need to satisfy field minima requirements
and that sort of thing.  Like min 60 riders for 4 --> 3 points, (or what-
ever.).

--Mike
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From: 97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Subject: Re: Collegiate Cycling - Qualifying for Nationals
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 00:55:42 PST

In article <1993Jan25.214401.10837@leland.Stanford.EDU>
polly@grover.Stanford.EDU (Polly Siegel) writes:
 
>> So, by the same token, you would allow me to shoe up with 30 B riders and glut
>> the field? Hey you can get 30 too!! In the NWCCC the B riders to not impact
>> the qualification for nationals.
>
>In the WCCC, points from all categories affect qualifications to
>Nationals... so our perspectives probably differ in part based on these
>rules.  (There is also a limit as to how many riders you can enter in each
>category for obvious reasons of fairness.)
>
 
Ok so let's follwo this logic to the absurd a little I goto HUGE Univ
and I can field 10 men's teams and 8 women's teams at 5 people each.
Therefore, we should have a category so everyone can race and they should
al count for qualifications. so the theoury he who fileds the most riders wins!
 
--
Patrick David Walters                     President WSU Cycling Club
97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu                Race Dircetor WSU Stage Race
Undergrad Soc Minor in Fren and Bus         Send Mail for more info on
Washington State University   Pullman, WA   either !
From: 97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu
Subject: Re: USCF/Collegiate Upgrades
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 18:40:08 PST

In article <1jpu75$674@agate.berkeley.edu>
mike@scimitar.cchem.berkeley.edu (C. Michael McCallum) writes:
 
>PWRIGHT@MIAMIU.BITNET wrote:
>: In the post by MPRIME@TITAIUM:
>:  <....USCF UPGRADES:.....I moved that they [collegiate races] should count >
>:  <for any upgrade if the collegiate race satisfied all the requirements... >
>: Does this mean Collegiate races should be open to EVERYONE including those
>: of us who are no longer in school and are therefore not allowed to race in
>: collegiate events??
>
>
>No, no, no.
>Just that the collegiate races need to satisfy field minima requirements
>and that sort of thing.  Like min 60 riders for 4 --> 3 points, (or what-
>ever.).
>
>--Mike
 
I was under the impression that collegiate races would only be significant in
upgrades based on experience. NOT for points upgrades. I am wrong in thinking
that?
 
--
Patrick David Walters                     President WSU Cycling Club
97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu                Race Dircetor WSU Stage Race
Undergrad Soc Minor in Fren and Bus         Send Mail for more info on
Washington State University   Pullman, WA   either !
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From: ozalp@dm.unibo.it (Ozalp Babaoglu)
Subject: major changes to the pro racing calendar
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Bologna, Italy
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 13:22:19 GMT

in its orlando world congress, the UCI (yes, the one-and-only) accepted
the following changes to the pro calendar, effective 1995:

	the vuelta (tour of spain) moves to september

	the world championship road race moves to october, one week before
	the giro di lombardia

also, the giro di lombardia will become the last event in the world
cup title race and the current final ITT stage will be eliminated.

it is not clear how the national teams will react to the october (late)
date for the world championships.  also, the number of countries that can
host the event will be rather limited given the time period.

-- 
Ozalp Babaoglu					E-mail:	ozalp@dm.unibo.it
University of Bologna, Dept. of Mathematics
Piazza di Porta S. Donato, 5			TEL:	+39 51 354430
40127 Bologna  (ITALY)				FAX:	+39 51 354490
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From: johnr@kowari.cpsg.com.au (John Reid)
Subject: Re: The problem with cycling
Organization: Computer Power Software Group Pty Ltd
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:11:44 GMT

acr@maths.warwick.ac.uk (Andre Rocha) writes:



>Well, I think that maybe I'll get some flames after this post but let's go ahead.

>I started cycling last year just after the winter here in the UK. I was looking
>for some kind of sport that would improve my fitness condition. Since at that 
>time I knew nothing about clipless pedals, STI levers, frame materials, 
>clip on bars, TT, disc whells and all the stuff now I want so much to improve
>my pedalling, I thought that I was fine with my old bike that I still use
>to go to the University. I started pedalling 6 miles and after 8 months I was
>doing 20 miles in 1 hour. Not bad, I thought. But I also got some cycling
>magazines and then I realized that my bike was just totally unsuitable if 
>I would take cycling seriously. At this point I realized that to have a good
>bike and clothes I would have to spend at least 700 pounds ( +- 1400 US dollars ).
>But as I student where on earth I would get this money ? I tried to cut some
>stuff that could be unnecessary, but just a good pair of shoes, say SID genius 2,
>would cost me 70 pounds and a reasonable pedal, say LOOK PP76, another 60 - 70 
>pounds !!!

I think that you will find that what you have in the way of equipment is
quite enough to be going on with.

Raymond Poulidor, as I understand it, went out and won his first bicycle
race on his sister's "sit up and beg" bicycle. If you're up to it, so is
your gear. Better equipment may help you a little, but at the margins. If
you don't have the talent, all the equipment in the world won't help
you....

Good luck
--
John Reid                                   ACSnet : johnr@kowari.cpsg.com.au
CP Software Export Pty Ltd,                 Phone  : +61 3 823 0222
19 Cato Street, Hawthorn 3123 Australia     Fax    : +61 3 824 8068
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From: 97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (Patrick D. Walters)
Subject: Re: NCCA - Let's Fix It
Organization: SYSTEMS & COMPUTING
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:29:03 PST

In article <1k6u2aINNflu@overload.lbl.gov>
chris@carnival.lbl.gov (Chris Moll) writes:
 
>
>I'm not specifically disagreeing with you; however:
>
>I think that the most important thing for encouraging women to become
>involved in racing is the support of women, not men.
>
>I say this as a man who has tried hard to encourage female friends with
>an interest in cycling to take an interest in racing: in general, my
>efforts often produced a certain discomfort - women unfamiliar with
>racing immediately worried that they would be expected to be able to
>compete with the male riders - a feeling not noticeably lessened after
>participating in male-dominated club rides.  No mater how "nice" we
>tried to be, the experience was intimidating (it's intimidating for
>the beginning men too!)  But when they rode with female racers they
>received non-threatening support and encouragement.
>
>I certainly don't think men shouldn't make an effort to recruit women,
>and encourage them once they've taken an interest, but I don't think
>the most effective way to promote women's cycling is to force men to
>try to recruit women.
>
 
That pretty much cums up my experiences here at WSU. In the past we had one
woman and then two. They trained on their own schedule, although they were
reallly strong and had no problems on the men's ride except for when it got
really fast. But then everybody else was dying too! (me especially!!)
Its very difficult to have men recruiting women. I for one don't think I
touch what they are looking for when I talk to them about it. Most of
the women I have talked to about it ride to keep in shape, they don't care
much about competition.
--
Patrick David Walters                     President WSU Cycling Club
97994779@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu                Race Dircetor WSU Stage Race
Undergrad Soc Minor in Fren and Bus         Send Mail for more info on
Washington State University   Pullman, WA   either !
From: ks@stat.tamu.edu (Kurt F. Sauer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: Collegiate Cycling - Qualifying for Nationals
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:05:30 GMT
Organization: A&M Cycling Team, Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas
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Patrick Walters remarks:
  I think what I mean here, and maybe I am confusing my self is a VARSITY
  sport.  ... I would love to be racing on a scholarship right now. It
  would be great to have blocked free time right in my scheduling of
  classes. I would love to get everything for free.  But no, let's leave
  ourselves in the club sport realm.

There are some schools in our conference which have cycling scholarships.
We, too, are considering establishing a scholarship fund.  The keys to this
are (1) there must be a method of establishing a scholarship for a sport
club [a mechanism which we at Texas A&M have] and (2) there must be a core
of supporters who can contribute to the fund and who can make a minimum
endowment donation.

Point 2--getting donors--is the hardest part.  But it's not impossible.
If you can get a dedicated group of cyclists to contact a dedicated group
of alumni, you might be surprised what you can achieve.  Midwestern State
University in Wichita Falls, Texas, did just such a thing and apparently
their scholarships are working well.

In Texas, if you are an out-of-state student and receive a school-managed
scholarship (such as MSU's cycling scholarship), you qualify for in-state
tuition, thus greatly increasing the value of even a small scholarship.
You might even be able to entice some good cyclists from one of the coasts
to come to lil' ol' Texas.,,

Kurt F. Sauer
College Station, Texas

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