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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:52:00 EST
From:         "Like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!" <ACCDAK@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Glory

I'll weigh in on the positive side of Glory.  Part of my response was
conditioned by the added value of having Civil War Reconstructionists on
hand to comment on the veracity of the film, part due to seeing it on the
eve of Desert Storm, but mostly to the fascination of seeing history.

I've always felt that one can never know too much.  (Yes I can quibble with
myself, but I'll leave this sentence stand.)  For the most part the film was
accurate with some compression of time, a few liberties taken with personal-
ities (characters), but the conditions
 of the men were faithfully depicted.

What do you think of the fact that the Negros of the 1940's faced the same
discrimination concerning enlistment faced by free Negroes almost a century
before?  What do you think of battles were the oponents walked toward men
facing them with raised rifles?  Where you could see your enemy's eyes over
his rifle sight.

Am I bringing too much to the film?  Perhaps, but perhaps someone is too
sated by Rotocop, or Terminator, or Rambo, to be affected by the more mundane
horror of the American Civil War.

Perhaps a film where people speak openly of aspirations and ideals has no
appeal to people who need, what?  car chases on queue? Close ups of muzzle
flashes?  Gruesome murders (extra points for extra gore)?  hotter sex scenes?
I'd be interested in how those who found Glory boring would make it better.

David ACCDAK@HOFSTRA
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 07:48:57 EDT
From:         "W. Stephen Marquardt" <WASTMART@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Pet Sematary II?

Why stop with S. King? Why not blame the industry as a whole? What are we on
now, Friday the 13th Part 99? Weren't there six Nightmare's on Elm Street?
For that Matter weren't there III Godfather movies, Two Bill and Ted's, and one
The Last Picture Show?  And yes even McMurtry came back to write a sequel to
that, and Texasville is one of the few films that I think surpassed the
original novel! Yes, I personally thought the novel was that pathetic.  The onl
y thing that saved Texasville was the overload of big name stars.

At least Mr. King writes well and usually delivers a decent product.

"It's only horror movies ... people like it, like it.  Yes they do!"

Stephen "Anybody got a hacksaw" Marquardt

"I want to hurt you just to hear you screaming my name." --Alice Cooper, from
song entitled poison.

Let's face it Horror, Hurt (not just William), and Sex sells.

Anybody want to buy a Veg-o-matic? Watch late night t.v. Anybody want to see a
good horror film, go watch some Stephen King
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From:         "W. Stephen Marquardt" <WASTMART@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: medieval films

Jim, speaking of valiant, didn't Robert Wagner star some years ago in "Prince
Valiant"?

Also, let's not forget that the Three Stooges did some short works on Medieval
times.

By the way, wasn't Ivanhoe a movie about Potato farming in the Pacific Northwes
t.

Stephen

Bonzo goes to Bitsburg
And then out for a cup of tea  -- the Ramones
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:10:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Emerson on JFK

Tim Emerson's post on JFK provides eloquent testimony for the argument
that the pursuit of truth can *only* come by way of fiction in the bush
leagues of ronnie raygun's Amerika!

MM
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:34:00 EDT
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Subject:      Libraries and Movies
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> What the hell is this doing on CINEMA-L....??? Did you all get this
> propaganda garbage????
> I don't remember any movies about libraries!!!????

What about "The Music Man"?

Priscilla
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:59:01 EST
From:         Steve Portigal <stevep@SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA>
Subject:      Re: death of sam kinnison
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              Romo" at Apr 17, 92 2:41 pm

Luis Eduardo Romo writes:
>
> I want to know when Robin Williams said that Sam Kinnison  that he was the
> Chuck Yeager of comedy.  Was he refrring to Kinnison's use of screaming in his
> act, "breaking the sound barrier" as Yeager did in real life in a jet?  I may
> just be clueless, so please someone help me! Even if Williams said that after
> his death,and hoping to make Kinnison sound mightier than ever, I ask all of
> you out there, when has Williams ever been completely serious?

  I believe his statement was that Sam Kinison was the Chuck Yeager of comedy
and that "he stretched the envelope".  This refers to the Right Stuff (by
Tom Wolfe) where test pilots would take a plane up, knowing its characteristics
and limitations, (picture an envelope enclosing what a plane could actually
do) and try to stretch that in order to prove themselves.  Chuck
Yeager was the ultimate Right Stuff pilot, someone who epitomizes that
attitude (which can't really be summarized here, read the Right Stuff for
more details).  Williams obviously felt that Kinison stretched the boundaries
and definitions of current stand-up comedy in that characteristic aggressive,
danger-seeking, cocky way in which test pilots took on their experimental
planes...


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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 10:06:00 EST
From:         "WEAVER, KYLE" <KRW@PSULIAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Civil War films

While we're at it, let's make a list of Civil War films.
  The Birth of a Nation
  The General
  Gone with the Wind
  Glory
  ...
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 02:30:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Stone, Scorsese, Allen

Caroline, i just don't think that this distinction between Stone presenting
his point of view as THE TRUTH and Scorsese and Allen somehow *not* doing
this holds up.  I never get the impression from Scorsese and Allen that
they do not think that they are presenting the truth of their experience.
Aren't these filmmakers honored precisely because they *do* have a knack
for getting at certain truths?

Again, i think that you and Peter are simply not paying sufficient attention
to the sorts of topics that Stone takes on; again, i for one am damn glad
that *someone* is presenting an *alternative* "truth" to those offered by
the likes of Reagan/Bush regarding Vietnam, El Salvador, JFK, et al.
Maybe we need to look at Stone's *The Doors*, which i imagine might be his
*only* film whose topic is non-controversial enough to examine Stone's
techniques alongside those of Scorsese and Allen.

Frankly, i admire Stone even more simply for getting under our collective
skins in ways that Scorsese and Allen, for all their brilliance, simply
do *not*!

Fractiously,
MM
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Subject:      RE: Academy's Attitude

From: accgsg@hofstra.bitnet (Gary Graffagnino)
Subject: RE: Academy's Attitude

> I canna remember any female directors getting
> nominations or the actual award...does anybody out there have such trivia
> lurking around?

I'm pretty sure there have been 2 women directors nominated: Lina Wertmuller
and someone else....I don't think any women has ever won the award, though.
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:20:16 EDT
From:         Rob Rosenthal <ST801736@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Fear and Desire

  Say, does anyone know where I might be able to get a VHS or 16mm copy of
Kubrick's first movie, Fear and Desire?  I once heard a rumor that he was
buying up copies so that he could destroy them, and while that seems a bit
farfetched, I AM having the damnedest time trying to locate a copy.  Can
somebody recommend a good video search service or something similar?

                                     Thanx.

                                     Rob Rosenthal (ST801736@brownvm.brown.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:25:21 EDT
From:         Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Movies for the season

As someone else mentioned, Ben Hur isn't likely to be on this week since
TNT just screened it recently but this weekend (Sunday I think), TNT is
showing Quo Vadis, another great MGM Roman spectacle.  Peter Ustinov as
Nero, Robert Taylor and Deborah Kerr in love, Christians and lions, oh
boy!

It's interesting that ABC has stuck with The Ten Commandments for several
years now as their "Easter" movie.  When I was a teenager, their choice year
after year was The Robe with Richard Burton and Jean Simmons.
Gayle Williams
University of Georgia Libraries
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From:         Sysse Engberg <sysse@ANNE.IHI.KU.DK>
Subject:      Kafka!

Here in Europe it is sometimes difficult to find out which films
you refer to, because titles are different.

So please help me out: someone referred to EUROPA, EUROPA, and
someone else to ZENTROPA. Would any of these be the film by
Lars von Trier which I know by the title of EUROPA ?

Sysse Engberg
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:08:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      michael douglas

As time goes by, i come to realize that i really don't care much for
mr. douglas . . . anyone else have a similar experience?  at first, with
films such as *romancing the stone* and *china syndrome*, i thought him
ok, but isn't he more often a STICK than not?

MM
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:05:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Pet Sematary II?

a Pet Sematary sequel?  Saints preserve us!  Isn't King rich enough by now?
How low is this cat willing to stoop?  If you buried King in just any old
cemetery, he'd surely find a way to come back to make another buck!

MM

P.S. Granted, he's a hell of a writer at times, but still . . .
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:33:00 EDT
From:         "DAN RYAN @ CP & JP" <RYAN@CANISIUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Emerson on JFK

>From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>

>Tim Emerson's post on JFK provides eloquent testimony for the argument
>that the pursuit of truth can *only* come by way of fiction in the bush
>leagues of ronnie raygun's Amerika!

Michael, the aporia of your existing in a world where the Earth has one
moon is becoming evident! ;-)

To paraphrase Wayne Campbell:
Ronnie Raygun's Amerika...?  Yeah, Right?

Dan
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From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Reversal of Fortune

REPLY TO 04/14/92 01:53 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": older films

All in all, I really enjoyed REVERSAL OF FORTUNE -- Jeremy Irons'
performance was excellent as was Glenn Close's (although she is rarely
mentioned in connection with this film).  Both come across as
impossibly self-centered and out of touch with reality.  The rich are
different is the overwhelming message.

The problem with the film, I think, is that it is based on a book by
Alan Dershowitz (who successfully defended von Bulow), and so the
depiction of Dershowitz (altho ably played by Ron Silver) is
self-serving and rather hard to swallow.  But Irons captures
beautifully the ultimate mystery, the *unknowableness* of this strange
creature named Claus von Bulow.

When asked in an interview if he (Irons) thought von Bulow was guilty,
he said that he had a definite opinion after playing the role but
would not state it publicly.  My logic tells me that if he thought von
Bulow was innocent, he would have said so, but that he would be much
more reticent to declare a freed man guilty.

Jennifer Porro



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From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Film Trivia Quiz: Film Directors in Music Videos

>Film Trivia Quiz: Film Directors in Music Videos
>
> 7. Belinda Carlyle, "Heaven Is A Place On Earth"
 was directed by:
>B. Diane Keaton

 That's all I know,   Gayle Gleason
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 15:56:00 EST
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Subject:      Academy Awards Trivia

From: accgsg@hofstra.bitnet (Gary Graffagnino)
Subject: Academy Awards Trivia

Here's some more Academy Awards trivia:

1)      How many Oscars did Robert DeNiro win? What were the.
2)      Who was the only Best Actor to receive the award after he died?
3)      What Actress won the Best Actress Award playing a character who was
        nominated for a Best Actress Award?
4)      What 3 Films won all of the top honors (Picture, Actor, Actress,
        Director, Screenplay)?
5)      How many Oscars did Jack Nicholson win?  What were they?
6)      What Actor turned down his Best Actor Oscar?

answers soon.....
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 08:22:00 EDT
From:         "DAN RYAN @ CP & JP" <RYAN@CANISIUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Basic Instinct and Thunderheart

Saw two this weekend - Basic Instinct and Thunderheart.
Thunderheart, although sort of "Fletch Lives meets Dances with Wolves"
was worth the $4.50.  Although the film pandered a bit in pure hollywood
Cause du Jour style, for my money, any movie with Graham Green is worth the
price of admission.

As for Basic Instinct, I wasn't too impressed (beyond the sex that is).
The Interrogation scene was pretty hilarious, but there were few other bright
spots.  Unfortunately, Michael Douglass is not too convincing as a shirt
ripper.  Other than that, I guess I don't quite see what all of the fuss is
about.  I'm not quite sure I understand what the gay groups are so upset about.
The character's sexuality had clearly nothing to do with said character's
criminal behavior. It is increasingly difficult to be sympathetic to this group
(queer nation) and their antics, particularly when the truly damaging anti-gay
characterizations are coming not from Hollywood but from places like Milwaukee
and Philadelphia.

BTW - I saw the trailers for Patriot Games.  I think Harrison Ford looks more
like my image of Jack Ryan than Alec Baldwin.  (After seeing The MArrying Man,
it is hard to take Alec too seriously).  Anyway, even though I have read the
book, I REALLY look forward to this movie.

Dan
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:04:33 CDT
From:         "patrick mckane" <PMCKANE1@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      re: death of sam kinnison

i'm never happy to see anyone die, but can the world really mourn the
passing of another loud misogynist and homophobe?




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 university of alabama  :   diety save as a waste product of human
 dept of physics        :   weakness, the excrement of the imagination'
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From:         Marshall Levin
              <scubed!gnh-bauhaus.cts.com!bu101%harvard@HARVUNXW.BITNET>
Subject:      End Of The World
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Has anybody seen Wim Wender's "Until The End Of The World?"  Well, it's crap.
The soundtrack is incredible (U2, REM, Depeche Mode, Lou Reed, etc.) but the
movie itself is terrible.  It's about 150 minutes and about 145 minutes too
long.  William Hurt isn't that great and the story is kind of goofy.  Come to
think of it, "Wings Of Desire" kind of dragged on too.  Some of the futuristic
ideas were kind of cool -- everything computerized -- but the acting was SO
bad!  I normally seek out the unconventional type of film, but this one's a
waste of time.

Later...

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"Small-town America is a thing which is deeply strange." - David Lynch
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              12 Apr 1992 10:39:00 EDT from <Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU>

I can relate to the idea of a director beatting their point over viewers heads.
Dances with Wolves did this for me. It was my one basic complaint against it.
Granted, I thought it was an important point that may need to be more widely
recognized, but enough is enough.

Scattershooting ...

Dances with Wolves could aslo be classed as a Civil War film since that's what
got him out West to begin with.

and Ordinary People mentions libraries (that's where Conrad goes when has to ki
ll time after quitting swim team).

Stephen

"You've arrived on a rather special night; it's one of the master's affairs."

                                                        --Riff Raff

And I may burn for this, too:

Support your local library
                               and

                                    "God save the (Stephen) King"
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Subject:      Sam Kinnison

Yes, Sam K. was killed near Needles, Ca., on his way to Riverside for
a show.  Polic reported "beers cans strewn all over the road"
[I'll just bet a cop used the word 'strewn'], but they said
they didn't come from K's car.
Jim T.
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Subject:      Re: meryl streep's oscars

From: accgsg@hofstra.bitnet (Gary Graffagnino)
Subject: Re: meryl streep's oscars

> Meryl Streep has been nominated numerous times but has won ONLY for KRAMER
> VS. KRAMER and SOPHIE's CHOICE.


BIIIIIIIIINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Correct.  She has won Best Supporting Actress
for Kramer vs. Kramer and Best Actress for Sohpies Choice.

She was great in Slikwood, The Deer Hunter, and Out Of Africa but no dice.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:31:00 EST
From:         "WEAVER, KYLE" <KRW@PSULIAS.BITNET>
Subject:      TV show cancellations

Has anyone heard that "Brooklyn Bridge" is in danger of being cancelled?
TV GUIDE is conducting an S.O.S. vote (see April 11-17, pp.8-15) to save
the show and four others they consider worthy--"Civil Wars," "I'll Fly Away
," "Herman's Head," and "Homefront."  To cast your vote for any of the
shows call 1-900-976-0220 (the rate is 75 cents per minute). FAX number is
(212)819-3738.  TV GUIDE says, "the networks have promised special
consideration to this S.O.S. vote."

I think "Brooklyn Bridge" and "Civil Wars" are worth saving for a few more
seasons.  The other three are of arguable value, particularly "Herman's
Head," which is a great concept but needs a better head.

Kyle
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From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      PPS

>> I'd be interested to know what Jim Thompson thought of Ron
>> Silver's performance in Enemies - A Love Story.  I thought his
>> depiction of a man harried and harassed by his own deceits and
>> devices was excellent.


> Is that the same guy who wrote _The Grifters_ and _After Dark,
> My Sweet_?


No, you're thinking of Jim Thompson, 1906-1977, newspaper reporter
and novelist, author of such immortal works as POP. 1280 and A
SWELL LOOKING BABE.  If you think the movies are depressing, try
the novels.  BAD BOY is autobiographical and is included in the
three-novel book HARDCORE, which should still be in print.

Jim Thompson, Fellow, The Molesworth Institute
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