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From: mpevans@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: Why?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 17:24:01 GMT

rolfl@ulrik.uio.no (Rolf Lindgren) writes:

>Somebody sent out a fake cancel for this article; I've received several
>replies but most of them empty.
Yawn! waht an annoying little twit!

>What's your point? That what the Bible says about something should be taken
>seriously? 

It is a list including homosexual offenders, adulteres...

>Consider this:

>	"Homosexual offenders shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
>					
>					|
>					V

>	"Offenders who are homosexual shall not inherit the kingdom of
>	God."

>					|
>					V

>	"If you are an offender, and if you are homosexual,
>	then you shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

>	If homosexuality is an offence, then isn't "homosexual offenders" a
>	redundancy?
 This also fits with the context of the passage.

>	How about poor heterosexual offenders like I, will I inherit the
>	kingdom of God? Is Biblical love reserved for heterosexuals? 
 I think that homosexual offenders may have a meaning of something like
adultery applied to a homosexual relationship.
Anyone got the original greek text?

Thus it is really about not "cheating" on ones lover.

>	The Bible says that God loves all and that his love of humanity is
>	infinite: are homosexuals excluded from God's concept of "all" and
>	"infinity" ?

The text before the phrase is concerned with telling christians NOT to
be judging each other (rather interestingly)

>	God sure isn't a good manual writer. You can't base hypotheses on
>	paragraphs from the Bible, they can mean anything. 

Anyway the text has been written by imperfect humans in an imprecise
language.

>	Flames to /dev/null, answers to my questions to
>	rolf.lindgren@usit.uio.no, please. I'll summarise.
From: lienhard@daydreamer.metaphor.com (Steve Lienhard)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Gays in the Military
Date: 11 Nov 92 16:27:59 GMT
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA

>The fact that homosexuals are not allowed in the military is, in my mind, not
>one of homophobia, but of uncertainity. At this point in time there is no
>feasable way to accomodate living quarters ans social needs of these pepole.

>I'm afraid <<<<
>that sexual activity would be the marquee for that housing unit which would
>undermine the attitude of discipline the Armed Forces represent.

>There is simply no possible way to accomodate homosexuals inthe military at
>this time. I would encourage responces so long as they are reasonable.

Why are you afraid?  This sounds a lot like homophobia to me.
You are making an assumption based on a stereotype that homosexuals
are sex maniacs that would lose control when placed in such a situation.
I find this assumption offensive.  I find your proposal to isolate
homosexuals so as to avoid any 'uncomfortableness' offensive.

I would imagine many aspects of the military are quite 
uncomfortable, but overcoming these difficulties is what military
discipline is all about.  If any lack of discipline is identified, then the
officer(s) involved should be dealt with accordingly.
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders)
Subject: Re: Why read this?
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:40:57 GMT

Aeleck asks:

> Some of you may remember me asking this before, but I never got an answer...
> Why do you read this .net, if you are heterosexual?

Which I rephrase as:
Why do you read alt.homosexual if you are not homosexual?

To which I reply:
Why do you read the comic strips if you are not a comic strip character?
Why do you look at the planets and stars if you are not a planet or star?
Why do you read novels if you are not a novelist?
Why do you go jogging if you are not an athlete?

In other words:
Come now.  Get serious.  Why do I read this if I'm heterosexual?  I'm...

INTERESTED!!!

Gary.Saunders
@bbs.oit.unc.edu

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From: elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 00:41:42 GMT

>To the contrary.  If you're going to make sweeping
>statements about special rights and expect that anybody
>will consider anything you say to have any validity
>whatsoever, you're going to have to list those "special
>rights."  Until then we'll have to assume that you have no
>idea what you're talking about and support Measure 2 simply
>because you're a bigot.
>
>In the meantime, let's all get together and list special
>legal rights that heterosexuals enjoy.  I'll start:
>
>1)  marriage

Ain't marriage defined as the joining of man and woman? Sure, there
ought to be some kind of bonding, but watever you want to call it it
ain't marriage!

>2)  freedom from employment discrimination based on
>    sexual orientation

Hmm...seems to me that many gays have been fired merely for the fact
that they are homosexual. But they also receive large cash awards from
the courts when they do. I know of one case where the guy got $5
million...

>3)  freedom from housing discrimination based on
>    sexual orientation

I'll admit I really don't know much about this issue, but HOW would
someone know if you are gay or not????? It's not like race where
the various races are easily recognized.

-----
Finally I would just like to add one comment. One of my best friends
in High School turned out to be homosexual. We still do stuff together
and all that...to me it is no big deal. He also agrees that those
'special' rights are not needed.

Furthermore, I would like to ask this question...If homosexuals are
being discriminated against then how come the median income for the
group is far ABOVE that for heterosexual males. When we enacted job
rights for women and minorities it was because it was quite clear that
they were being discriminated against since they were making far less
than the average.

Eric
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: "ron ingelevics" <ron.ingelevics@canrem.com>
Subject: let's fight back
Reply-To: "ron ingelevics" <ron.ingelevics@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:13:06 EST

(I found this message on a local gay board)
:
Well, my friends, have I got an idea for you...
:

There is an 800 number for requesting the "Colorado Tourism Board

Vacation Packet"  OOPS... You got the idea before I could even
type in the number!!!!

:

We all KNOW how to network, don't we ? Just put on every board you
use, that each reader should call 1-800-433-2656 and instead of
leaving name & address to receive a free vacation packet, leave a
message that you WON'T be coming to Colorado for your skiing
vacation.  Please DO mention that you know the Tourism board WAS
against #2 (for exactly this reason) but that you can't, won't,
shouldn't, couldn't possibly spend any time in Colorado. LET'S
RING THE PHONES OFF THE WALL !!!
:

For those of you who would like to spend a few pennies on long
distance...
:
Colorado Ski Country USA - (303) 837-0793  Business office 1560

Broadway, Denver CO 80202

:

The Greater Denver Chamber of Commerce - (303) 534-8500 Mr.
Richard  Fleming, Executive Director, 1445 Market, Denver, CO
80202 (Again, mention that you know Chamber was against # 2 but
that doesn't help you from cancelling your trip.)

:

Please ECHO this and let's really get this going ! ! !
:

Have your straight friends put this on their networks TOO.
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From: phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Aeleck)
Subject: Public Apology (was Re: Why read this?)
Summary: I really didn't mean to sound like an asshole.
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:35:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.132016.13068@samba.oit.unc.edu> Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders) writes:
>OK.  Fair enough.  Actually, one of my three best friends in the world is
>a gay guy.  Of the other two, one is my wife, and the third is vehemently
>anti-homosexual.  So yes, I'm interested in the problems presented by exposure
>to daily "bigotry, discrimination, etc...", because I've spent many many hours
>with a guy who is facing these problems.
>
>So, again (repetitively), the short answer is that I'm...
>
>INTERESTED!!!

Ok, after rereading some of the posts that have been going thru here recently, 
I sorta came to a conclusion about the way I've been acting.  I really didn't
mean to sound like an asshole.  It's just like I said, in the past people
have posted here saying that they were straight and it preplexed me.  When I 
asked them why, they either ignored me or gave me the "it's a free country"
speech.  It does really fascinate me why someone would want to read this or
the other forums about homosexuality or motss-related topics.  You see,
I grew up knowing (since I was 8 years old) that I was gay.  I soon became
disinterested in heterosexual topics. 

So, I would like to formally apologize to anyone whom I may have accidently
alienated by my crass behavior.  In the future I must try to remember that
if I do not want to be discriminated against by the 'straight' populace,
then I must not discriminate against the 'straight' populace, myself.

I would also like to thank the people, especially Gary, who are trying
to make a difference in a topic that may never have any personel effect,
for people that are (according to such decrees as the new Colorado bill)
'second class citizens'.  Maybe together we Can make a differnce.  Maybe
if we work together and try to get more supporters into the open, our
voice will be heard along side of, not beneath, the hate-mongers, and
discrimination-spreaders that make up most of the public 'noise' on such
subjects as this.

Thanks, and again, I'm sorry for the tone.
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   \__/\__/\___/__/\__/\___/__/\___/ /   \__/      thing wrong." -Patrick

             Hate is not a family value.  Boycott Colorado
From: steve.connelly@synapse.org (Steve Connelly) 
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: GAYS
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:29:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SYNAPSE BBS - GATINEAU, QUEBEC - 819-561-4321
Reply-To: steve.connelly@synapse.org (Steve Connelly) 


MB>  Neo Nazis (among others) DO have the right to peddle their destructive
MB>drivel.  And some bigots would be perfectly happy to be treated normally,
MB>so long as they practice their bigotry on their own time.  And, to be fair,
MB>"harm" is interpreted differently by different people.

....AND TO BE FAIR, bigots kill or cause undue harm OR preach to others
that are weak minded and looking for a scapegoat for whatever woes
they are suffering (real or imagined).
Gays and lesbians are being bashed by bigots.  You don't hear them
saying:  "Gee, why don't we go out and bash some straights!"

Unless you yourself are a bigot you will see the injustice caused
by these despicable bigots.  Would you like to live in a society
that has rampant censorship and discrimination?  If you think that
it would stop at censoring and discriminating against gays, 
THINK AGAIN!

If you think that the harm I mentioned could be imagined, what about
the harm the Jews suffered under Hitler....they were also bashed (!!)
HOW can that be interpereted any differently by anyone who is rational?
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.transgendered,alt.sex,sci.psychology
From: wendy@sundown.mil.wi.us (Wendy K.)
Subject: Re: Why?
Organization: Nowhere
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:45:47 GMT

Dianne Hackborn (hackbod@xanth.CS.ORST.EDU) wrote:
> thomas%knoware.ruu.nl@accucx.cc.ruu.nl (Thomas Okken) writes:
> >Why would a man who wants to wear a dress stand for being called "TV"? Why
> >not realize that our culture is wrong for giving women an area of
> >self-expression - their clothes - and denying this to men?
> 
> My SO occasionally crossdresses...  While I would agree that it is a
> way to express herself, I don't think that she is interested to the

			   [rest of Dianne's article deleted for space]

> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Dianne Hackborn                 The healthy .sig:
> hackbod@xanth.cs.orst.edu     - Low in saturated quotes
> BIX: dhack / IRC: Dianne      - No artificial disclaimers

Hi,

My name is Wendy. This is my first real post to this group (alt.transgendered).
My feed sites seem to have trouble receiving articles although I can send ok.

After reading the above, I would have to say I agree with Dianne. I am
Transexual and have just completed evaluation for entry into a gender
transition program. I have no desire to be a man. While I have attempted
to surpress this most of my adult life, it always manifested itself as
a lack of really masculin behavior. The purpose of crossdressing has very
little to do with self-expression, at least in my case. As Dianne says,
it is the association of cloths with a specific gender that drives my
need to CD. 

Celeste (Hi Sis) and I have had numerous discussions of this. It is the
need to be of the female gender that drives both our needs to CD, not
sexual arousal or self-expression. 

In addition, Thomas made a comment to the effect that given this culture
we live in, he would prefer to be a woman. Being a woman is significanly
harder than being a man. Most women understand this, they deal with the
problems every day. Most men have no concept. It is a real education
to learn what women have to deal with.

Well I think this is enough rambling for today.

Take care,

Wendy

wendy@sundown.mil.wi.us
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: abdulal@fraser.sfu.ca (Alizah Abdul Alim)
Subject: Help!
Keywords: Anyone willing to talk?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:39:11 GMT

	Hi ! I'm writing a paper on gays who have come out. My 
paper deals on the issue of the various problems that are being
faced particularly problems with the so-called dominant group.
I am also interested in the support groups that are available for
gays. I hope that there are some out there who would be willing to
talk to me via the email. 
        For those who are willing to talk to me, my email address
is as below.
        Alizah Alim
        Email address: abdulal@sfu.ca

       Thanks!
  
 
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: news@news.vanderbilt.edu
Subject: Re: Lurking Heterosexuals
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 02:59:00 GMT

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
From: eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu (Ethan R Knipp)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.sex.homosexual
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:52:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rocky Mountain High School, Fort Collins, CO

In article <1992Nov5.205708.28426@mercury.cair.du.edu> elesatz@diana.cair.du.edu (Eric LeSatz) writes:
>
[Blah]
>
[Blah]
>
>What I can't understand is why homosexuals feel they should have
>'special' rights above and beyond the 'equal' rights shared by
>everyone. The no on 2 people tried a campaign saying that if this
>passes, a homosexual could be fired just because of his sexual
>orientation. Well, I got news for ya...special protection or not,
>homosexuals have been recovering millions in law suits because of
>being fired for that reason.

Your turn to write bullshit, apparently.   Homosexuals DO want equal rights.  
The point is, Amendment 2 was NOT a gay rights law- it was an *anti*right 
law.

Furthermore, _Because_ of amendment 2 homosexuals may no longer "recover. . . 
millions in law suits" it says homosexuals may not _claim_ discrimination.  
THEY NO LONGER HAVE THE RIGHT TO FILE LAWSUITS based on their sexual status.

>As far as discrimination in hiring goes, how would anyone know your
>sexual orientation in the first place? I wouldn't hire a flamer, but
>at the same time I wouldn't hire a heterosexual with green and blue
>hair. It just plain doesn't look professional.

The point is, even If I wasn't a flamer, I just didnt *hide* the fact I was 
gay, you could *still* kick me out of work or my apartment.

>My point is that Colorado doesn't hate. 

The point is they DO hate or are misinformed or put one and one together and 
got -4.

>Eric

-<|Ethan Knipp|>-

        eknipp@lobo.rmhs.colorado.edu

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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual,alt.sex.homosexual
From: nolan@twg.com (Phineas T. Bluster)
Subject: Ageism (was Presidential weather)
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: American Society for the Preservation of Senility
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:34:26 GMT


In article <lfged1INNees@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:
[adolescent puling deleted]
|>Peeve:  Ornery old farts.
Pssst! Hey, Sonny! Go home and have yer mum change yer nappie. Behave yerself
and you may live long enough to be an old fart yerself. OTOH, ...

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From: 01sybok@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: the Devil's Day (and the Devil's Night)
Date: 10 Nov 92 12:41:20 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <BxGsBp.Ay9@nic.umass.edu>, jennyg@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Jenny Gutbezahl) writes:
> In article <1992Nov9.131348.8735@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>In article <BxF58x.4FB@nic.umass.edu>, jennyg@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Jenny Gutbezahl) writes:
>>> 
>>> AAAAAAEEEEEAAAAEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
>>> 
>>> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
>>
>>Boy, I'm even better than I thought, driving Jenny into an orgasm like that
>>with a mere post!
>>
> 
> I think this explains the preponderance of date-rape in fraternities.
> 


*SIGH*. Another Ted Frank groupie.


Mike "what a thought"
Newsgroups: alt.peeves,soc.singles
From: drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux)
Subject: Oh I get it
Organization: Castle WetWare Philosopher and Sniper
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:26:53 GMT

cochran@spam.rtp.dg.com (A. Jing Hippy) writes:
] 
] Yes, I *do* look at rec<dot>humor<dot>funny.  It's low traffic, and there is 
] the occasional gem.  For those of you that don't read it, here's a good one:
] 
] Q: What does Ted Kennedy have that Bill Clinton wishes he had?
] 
] A: A dead girlfriend.
] 
] I told this to a colleague here at the office who, it turns out, had
] never heard of Jennifer Flowers.
] 
] Peeve: People that live in igloos most of their lives when they don't
] have to.

Jennifer Flowers is Ted Kennedy's Dead Girl Friend?

ciao
drieux

ps: I know some folks are hard up for a date,
but that is a BIT stiff.....


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Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: JENNY'S LESSON IN FLAMING (was Re: the Devil's Day (and the Devil's Night))
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:31:07 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards) writes:

>Peeve: Any kind of "fan".

Peeve: TheLackOfAnySortOfCommitmentInModernDayYouth

ThisIsTheSortOfLiberalMoralDisengagementThatIsUnderminingFamilyValuesInOurTimes
 
YesI'mAFanOfTheConstitutionOfAmerica

YesI'mAFanOfFreedom

It'sTimeToStandAndBeKountedOnTheKeyKoncepts

>ER

ASquirrelsArePeopleTooFoundation
From: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Gubmint Peeves
Keywords: VA, USPS, Niners
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:44:08 GMT
Followup-To: alt.peeves
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Menlo Park, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: purplehaze.corp.sun.com



In article <1992Nov10.001137.4054@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bberbeni@nyx.cs.du.edu 
(Bill Berbenich) writes:

>Later - B School registration peeves and attendant sit-in protests
>at said B School.  It's been a fucking day to remember, let me tell
>you.

>Sorry I'm not my usual sunny, rosy self.  If you don't like it you
>can just LUMP IT!  I MEAN it!  L-U-M-P it!!!!


Hey Bill!  Great game Monday night, huh?



Geoff


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Newsgroups: alt.peeves
From: Blair.Haworth@launchpad.unc.edu (Blair Haworth)
Subject: Re: False economy
Keywords: we don' need no steenking compensators!
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:15:40 GMT

In article <BxL5F8.ABD@vcd.hp.com> dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Dave Munroe) writes:
>
>There are snack areas at several places in this building where you can get
>free coffee, hot chocolate, or tea.  I'm constantly coming across half-used
>packets of hot chocolate mix and half-used packets of sugar.  Some bright
>person felt that if they put back the half they didn't use, then someone
>else would use it and it wouldn't be wasted.  
[...]
>At the end of the day all these packets get tossed out.  It seems to me that
>if these Thrifty Individuals would simply TAKE THE DAMN PACKET TO THEIR DESK
>to use later, they'd accomplish their intended economy.

Save yer peeve; these people are obviously demented, or at least
Tongue-Dead Individuals (technical term: agustia?).  HALF A PACKET? 
Mother of Fighin' Jeezus transubstantiated into a Little Debby Swiss Cake
Roll (tm) under duress, it takes at least two packets for that diluted
snuff in the envelopes to taste like anything, and then it tastes like
Tootsie Rolls marinated in nondairy creamer, and has about the same
consistency.  Actually, it would probably be okay if you dipped it, like
Skoal: "Just a pinch between the cheek'n'gum feels mighty relaxin', ma'am...

!Peeve: Real cocoa, made  with stuff from a cow's teats - half-and-half if
you've got a fat jones - and honest cocoa powder.  With a big slug of
cheap brandy in it, topped with a blast of whipped cream - canned, so you
can huff the nitrous oxide for grins.  Maybe the winter won't be so bad.
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