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From: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
Subject: valiant issues
Reply-To: "bill dehaan" <bill.dehaan@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 4 Jan 93 00:34:15 EST

In message <C08p9y.Kqx#news.ucs.mun.ca>, cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig
Welsh ) writes:

CW>I always find that it is nice that my comics are worth a lot, but it
CW>doesn't matter since I'm not going to sell them. SO while it is nice
CW>that the Valiants are worth a lot I'm not going to sell them, so the
CW>value aspect doesn't matter a lot to me.

I tend to agree. The really nice thing about the TPB for Harbinger was
that even though I bought the original books for interest sake, and
wasn't terribly thrilled with them, the fact that someone was willing to
pay me $135 for them _and_ give me a TPB with the same content as the
originals I was selling had a certain appeal....

CW>Therefore, bring on the TPB.  The primary comics is to be read and
CW>enjoyed. If TPB's help do that, great. If they upset a few speculators,
CW>I'm not to concerned.

Agreed. My collection is pretty large (although that's a relative term
on r.a.c), and easily worth several thousand dollars. But I really
couldn't care less (other than on insurance forms) because they were
bought to be read and enjoyed, not as investments. That's why I applaud
the introduction of such things as the Marvel Masterworks and the DC
Archives; although expensive, they allow new readers to enjoy books that
were previously unattainable.

CW>The thing that DOES bother me about the TPB's is that they will probably
CW>use the same trick that they used with the Harbinger (sp. correctly
CW>jcowling), that being that they will include a special #0 issue meaning
CW>that you will probably have to buy the damn thing to be able to read the
CW>entire story.

Yes, but that's the fault of these #0 issues and trading card scams; it
is not an inherant problem with TPBs. If the series doesn't start off
with such gimmicks, then there is no problem.

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From: andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: HEPCATS #10 -- a clarification
Date: 1 Jan 93 05:37:58 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <86030@ut-emx.uucp> andy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Andrew Hackard) writes:
[...]
>or comment (or want to order sketches -- BIG hint), ring him up at
[...]

I misspoke here; I meant to say "order pages", not sketches.  These are
the original art for the books, not sketches he does on spec.  Just
figured I'd best clear that up.

--Andrew

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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: LSH #40, Squires and pages....
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 09:36:15 EST

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:

>      TWO: How do anti-energy beings reproduce, anyway?  Maybe Drake budded, b
> since the replicant was exactly the same, he was passed off as a brother 
> rather than admit he was a mother.

I think this theory has a lot of charm, although Squire seems reasonably 
mature. (What woudl an energy-being child be like?)

> whatever reason, probably fear or some baser emotion.  When Drake went MIA in
> Black Dawn, John's guilt over never telling Drake he existed broke something 

*Did* Drake goin missing in action in Black Dawn?  Have we been told 
that?  I thought we simply had been told nothing at all about Drake's 
fate, or when he disappeared.... if he disappeared....

> him.  John threw decided to commit suicide in a particularly symbolic manner,
> throwing himself into the same kind of reactor Drake was burned in.  And lo a
> behold he got the same powers.  Renaming himself Squire (to the Knight that 

I like this one too.  Where do you get these wonderful ideas?  
(Rhetorical question.)

> was Drake) Burroughs, he made his way to Shanghalla, where Wildfire's now emp
> containment suit lay on/in his grave.  Entering it, he showed up on Earth and

So why is the containment suit a new colour?

> 
>      Okay, on to other stuff.  Cocheta Drisden, the mind controller is 
> obviously a Sklarian with a dye job.  The skin color and the "weak male minds
> bit support this.

Agreed.  Are we sure all Sklarians have blue hair?  Brown might even be 
another natural option.  Blue might be characteristic, but not the only 
possibility.  Or she might be a Sklarian half-breed.

> remove the weight.  Who's the green dude?  Pulsar Stargrave?

Yes, who's the green dude???




Namaste,
Elizabeth
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hulk, Cerebus and other stuff like Barry Allen
Date: 30 Dec 92 06:50:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.MfERBkq00WDKIGYWMV
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 30-Dec-92 Hulk, Cerebus and
other stu.. Dave Van Domelen@magnus. (2153)

>      On Hulk in general, my first impression that PAD was trying to milk 
> suspense that just wasn't there.  I mean, the *cover* was enough to tell me 
> Hulk was fighting Cain Marko, and it's supposed to be some kind of big
> surprise at the end?  Riiiight.  Of course, Hulk has an excuse, since
> he's probably never seem Juggy without the helmet.  But to write as if
> the *readers* didn't know?  No sir, I didn't like it.

well, sir, maybe I was just being block-headed but I spent the whole
issue trying to figure out who he was and smacked myself when I found
out at the end. I guess it goes both ways, though, since some people
were smacking themselves at the end of the latest X-Factor when you find
out *POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT!!* Doc Samson was the psychiatrist, and I
thought that it was so damn obvious.....

>      As for the arguments out there about the personalities merging too 
> quickly, I was able to dig out my old PSYCH 166 notes and on the subject
> of MPD they said that once the personalities start to merge, they merge
> rather quickly.  It's called kaleidoscoping by some, and the fight scene
> in the issue before the merger looked awfully like the start of that
> process.  Doc Samson and Ringmaster merely helped it finish without
> renovating the city.

yes, well, I don't see the problem as the personalities merged too fast,
but rather that the reason he was/is MPD is because of some serious
psychological problems, and although the personalities merged, the
psychological problem itself was never extensively treated. I mean that
the personalities merged because Bruce finally learned to cope with what
happened but he hasn't yet reconciled himself with the past.
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Lucien's Library
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 09:57:25 EST

jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes:

> How about the rest of Sonic Disruptors?

...Uh, Jim.... you really *want* to see this?

I'm sure it's there in Lucien's library but I find it hard to believe 
that anyone would read it voluntarily....

Namaste (and pondering the vagaries of mankind)
Elizabeth


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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn)
Subject: Molecule Man
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 21:33:17 GMT

Can anyone tell me what issues the Molecule Man returned in, or the story
behind his return? The last news I have concerning him is when he
and the Beyonder are still merged as a cosmic cube in FF annual #23.

-- 

Send e-mail to: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: draphsor@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: New Years with Delirium (Maybe some spoilers)
Keywords: confetti noise makers champagne Endless stuff like that
Organization: Residential Computing, Stanford University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 02:58:52 GMT

In rec.arts.comics.misc lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>Some more bits and pieces from Sandman #46. Possible spoilers, certain 
>doom awaits...



>- Tempus Frangit. Time stops or time shatters or time breaks? Anyone have
>  any of the training in Latin that I obviously lack?

I'm not positive on this one, but from what I remember of my high
school Latin I'd say that the best translation would be "Time
Shatters". FWIW.

Rollie
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From: hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter)
Subject: Spending (Was "Re: "Sunk the Lowest" Award for 1992")
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 17:19:29 GMT

In article <168CBDBED.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
> 
>    Have you all ever noticed that, while the titles most of us buy (I presume
>"tasteful" readers) has drastically gone down, [I know mine has, from the high
>of 1986-7], the amount of money we spend on comics has stayed about the same
>or even gone up?
> 

Hmmm ... I guess that's true.  My comics spending tends to flucuate
a lot depending upon my disposable income and amount of free time,
but in the end it's probably about the same.  I now buy very few
new releases.  I've turned to the back issue bins for
my fixes these days.  Around here they're actually cheaper than the
new releases.

David Hunter
hunter@cse.uta.edu

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From: friedman@python.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman)
Subject: Re: Jack "King" Kirby: ripped off by Marvel
Organization: NAIVE - New And Improved Virtual Environment
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:53:06 GMT

In article <1ha50aINN84g@uwm.edu> manga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Michael Betz) writes:
>     This is hogwash. You don't see construction workers coming back after
>10-15 years saying "that building is mine, I made it, I want it back" if he
>went off crying to the local construction magazines, he'd be laughed out of
>the union. But Kirby does it, and pea-brains such as yourself are only too
>eager to jump on his bandwagon. Just goes to show what complete fools some
>people are.......

...and how smart self-published artists/writers and even those Image
guys are.  If you sign a contract to work for someone, don't come
bitchin' to me about "creative property" later...

							- Crimson

-- 
Mark "Klone Crimson" Friedman is friedman@cis.ohio-state.edu .................
"There is nothing former  "Beat poets,    "Bite me,   "My jacket! I killed
 about King Crimson."      not children."  it's fun!"  Kennedy in this jacket!"
 - Robert Fripp, 5/11/90   - anonymous     - MST3K     - Ron Post
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Christmas with Delirium  (Spoiler?)
Date: 27 Dec 1992 23:17:59 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
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Originator: goldfarb@tornado.berkeley.edu

In article <24DEC199215102476@rigel.tamu.edu> ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy) writes:
)And if you will also notice, the colored streaks in Del's hair seem to be 
)disappearing...

	Well, she didn't have the colored streaks when she first appeared
in _The Season of Mists_ part 0. Notice that every time she returns to
her realm her physical appeareance and her clothing change? (Though the
ripped fishnet stockings seem to be somewhat constant.)

	Another minor bit: on page 17 panel 3, Mervyn mentioned that he
drove a bus during Dream's captivity. In issue 2 we actually see him do this.

-- 
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From: dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.devilbunnies
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Date: 4 Jan 93 04:22:15 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:

> In article <sPqmwB6w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu 
> >Issue 8-12 of Sonic Disrupters. 
> 
> Yup.  I never did hear why they cancelled it, but I assume no one was
> buying it other than myself, Mike Baron, Barry Crain, the inker, Nyberg.
> 
> >The Original versions of Dark Knight 3 and 4
> 
> Original versions?
> 
> >The "If Robin had lived" issues of Death in the Family
> 
> I'm surprised DC hasn't published this.  Marvel published the other
> version of Phoenix's original death once... "the Untold Legend of Phoenix"
> or something.  DC could make fast $$$ publishing this.
> 
> >The ending of the Plot in "The New Adventrures of Superboy) circa 1984
> 
> Plot?  What do you mean?  I didn't read Superboy, but was there some big
> plot that never got wrapped up, like what happened to the MANY plot
> threads left dangling after they cancelled Blue Beetle?

Well, for the Dark Knight bit, I heard that Miller had a differet idea fo 
three and four (or at least three) that explaineds many things about 
issues one and two. In it, the Joker killed  Robin (Jason Todd) after 
sodomizing him. He then cut him into peices which he sent to Batman (I 
guess via Jim Gordon). When Batman found the Joker, he beat him and would 
have killed huimn if he wasn't stopped by Nightwing. This expalins 1) 
Robin's Death (this is way before Death in the Family), A reason for 
Batman's retierment, 3) Why Bruce isn't talking to Dick Grayson, and why 
(4) why the Joker was in a catatonic state. 
As for SUperboy, there were two major plotlines. The firts was the Clark 
had gotten a girlfriend. The other was that Pa Kent was running for a 
political ofice, and his oppenantwas threatening his life, and had 
already blown up the Kent General Store. When the book ended, they said 
it would be continued in a book with Suprboy and Supergirl, but it never 
came about.

Dascoser
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Happy Squid Appreciation Day -- the SQUIDDIES are here!
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 04:56:15 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <C097z5.Duz@queernet.org> squiddies@queernet.org (rec.arts.comics awards) writes:

A few clarifications (thanx to tyg for the reminders):

>4.  Favorite limited series, 12 or fewer issues

A "limited series" must be a periodical numbered twelve issues or less,
by design; cancellation does not make a series "limited" for these purposes.

>14. Favorite R.A.C.'er 

While other categories are limited to one vote per person, please vote for
up to three nominees in this one.  After all, it's hard to pick your *one*
favorite family member...
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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Death of Moriarty double-back limited issue SPOILERS!!
Keywords: Oh, the humanity!
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 01:17:30 GMT

moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:

>Napoleon of Crime, Inc., and the personnel dept. of the John Fluke Mfg.
>Company, Inc., have announced that, later this week, the (faintly) popular
>(perhaps) net.personality, Moriarty, will *die*.

Yet another cheap hack to sell a few more MultiMeters (TM).  What next,
holographic displays that are different for every meter?  I strongly urge
all right-thinking and left-standing fans to boycott this entire sequence.
-- 
 "When Dexter's on the Internet, can Hell be far behind?"
		-- Steve Simmons, scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: Why is PAD on the net?
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 07:52:24 EST

> In article <71830@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes:
> )I once had a few fellow pros over at my house, and I mentioned Usenet to
> )them.  They were interested in seeing it.  So I logged on and started
> )running through various headers.  Naturally the people involved wanted
> )to read about those headers that applied directly to their own work.
>  
> )The threads were, almost uniformly, vicious, sniping, mean-spirited and
> )arrogant.  
> )PAD

...I find this discouraging.  First of all, I deny that any of my 
comments (hasty or otherwise) are mean-spirited or ignorant.  Secondly, 
we're here to speak our mind.  If it's stupid, enlighten us.  If we're 
rude, complain to the rude individual, not to the amassed group!  I find 
the level of etiquette here to be adequate.  Thirdly, don't our comments 
reflect what comes through in letters to the editor and comments the 
writers/artists/etc. get at conventions?

Doing our best! -
Elizabeth
From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: GL Mosaic (Whazzup w/ This?)
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:43:03 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <4fACF=i00hYzAjqX1y@andrew.cmu.edu>, "James D. Zelenka" <jz1j+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 16-Dec-92 GL Mosaic (Whazzup
> w/ This?) Robert McMullen@askinc.a (1161)
> 
>> I think the politics of the Mosaic world could be better investigated
>> and told in mature-reader format.
> 
> Possibly. Actually, I just think they could be better investigated by
> someone other than Gerard Jones, who's been doing at best a mediocre job
> so far. While I think it could benefit from the freedom that would come
> with being a mature-reader title, I think it would gain more from a
> better writer. I guess both would be too much to ask for :-). (A Grant
> Morrison Mosaic world would be a very interesting place...)
> 
> -jim
> jz1j@andrew.cmu.edu


        Hallelujah, brother!  That's what I've been saying right here all
along.  Jones had some great ideas (the pans, etc. all have great potential, no
question about it) but I don't think he's able to follow up on them 
successfully and do them the justice they deserve.  Sometimes people come up
with great ideas, but it is beyond them to bring those ideas to life.  IMO,
Jones is one of these people.  A Morrison Mosaic would be very interesting 
indeed, as would a Moore or Gaiman Mosaic.


shalom, 
        shylock
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 09:42:49 EST

tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:

> Um, that's Travis McGee...and in particular I'd like to check out the 
> rumored prior to MacDonald's death to exist manuscript titled A Black Border
> For McGee which was supposed to be narrated by Meyer and dealt with McGee's
> death. Apparently the rumor was false.

It appears to be so, because no such book has yet been published.  On the 
other hand, there might be any number of reasons it is delayed or 
otherwise unpublished.  In any case this is one of those stories that 
*ought* to be true.

> 
> >(10) More JONNY QUEST comics
> 
> At this past San Diego con I reminded Tom DeFalco of his comment that the
> only book he wished Marvel published which they didn't was JQ and pointed out
> that Comico's rights had expired...
> 
> His reply was that Hanna-Barbara just wanted too much for the rights to
> make them profitable. Given that I don't recall Messner-Loebs ever doing
> work for Marvel, this may not have been a bad thing.
> 

So Dark Horse should do it, or DC, or (sigh) Hanna-Barbara themselves....

In Lucien's library, Comico could do it still.  It doesn't matter.  In 
the real world.... well, it doesn't exist, does it?

It should.

Namaste,
Elizabeth




> "That's the trouble with `mindless slaves'... they're, well, *mindless*!" 
> --Benton Quest
> tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: manga@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Peter Michael Betz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Jack "King" Kirby: ripped off by Marvel
Date: 23 Dec 1992 16:43:54 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1992Dec22.220851.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes:
>     I just bought today a book called COMICS: THE BEGINNING COLLECTER.
>There is lots of stupid stuff in here, but I managed to zero in on page
>104. Here is the quote:
>
>"1987: Marvel Comics comes to an agreement with Jack Kirby and returns
>2111 pages to him in return for the COPYRIGHT and OWNERSHIP of the
>characters that HE CREATED FOR THEM"
>

sigh, here we go again. Before you get dumped on for suffering from such
a nasty case of brain constipation, let us get something straight: When
Kirby did that work, it was just that, work. The only difference between Joe
the comics artist and joe the construction worker is that joe the comics guy
is a so-called "artiste" and thus for some unimaginable reason his work is
more important.
     This is hogwash. You don't see construction workers coming back after
10-15 years saying "that building is mine, I made it, I want it back" if he
went off crying to the local construction magazines, he'd be laughed out of
the union. But Kirby does it, and pea-brains such as yourself are only too
eager to jump on his bandwagon. Just goes to show what complete fools some
people are.......



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