HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: de5@ORNL.GOV (Dave Sill)
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.appalachian
Subject: Re: RESULT: soc.culture.usa.appalachian fails 104: 44
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:15:16 GMT
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory

In article <Bt7pt6.3K7@uunet.uu.net>, FURRJK@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU writes:
>
>The vote FAILED by not receiving either 2/3 yes votes and by not receiving 100
>more yes votes than no votes.
>
>There were 104 "yes" votes and 44 "no" votes.

The vote failed by not receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes.  It did have
better than 2/3 YES votes.  104/148 = .70 which is greater than 2/3 = .66.

From the guidelines:

>3) AFTER the waiting period, and if there were no serious objections that might
>   invalidate the vote, and if 100 more valid YES/create votes are received
>   than NO/don't create AND at least 2/3 of the total number of valid votes
>   received are in favor of creation, a newgroup control message may be sent 
>   out.  If the 100 vote margin or 2/3 percentage is not met, the group should 
>   not be created.

--
Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov)           For every Bill Joy there is a Kirk McKusick.
Martin Marietta Energy Systems     For every Bill Gates there is a Richard
Workstation Support                Stallman.                     --Paul Graham
From: langer@aero.org (John V. Langer)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.graphics.gnuplot
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:11:51 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA

In article <Bsvoy0.A2u@news.cso.uiuc.edu> d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes:

>comp.graphics.* is for computer graphics, not software packages.  I think
>comp.apps.gnuplot would be a more appropriate name.  An alternative would
>be comp.apps.gnuplot.bugs and comp.apps.gnuplot.info or comp.apps.gnuplot.d.
>I prefer a single newsgroup at first with the option to bifurcate in the
>future if the need arises.

Comp.graphics is a wonderful group that includes discussion on a wide
range of computer-graphics related issues.  Many threads focus on specific
software packages, and many don't.  More than a few discussions associated
with Gnuplot concern the sorts of computer graphics issues seen in 
comp.graphics.

The key point is that the kind of people who would read comp.graphics.gnuplot
form a legitimate sub-community of the kind of people who read comp.graphics.
Lets not relegate them to a completely alien (to them) part of the name space.

I agree that we should only start *one* group and bifurcate later.

                              -- John

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From: bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Michel)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: misc.transit
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:00:46 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bike2work

In article <1992Aug11.212750.1380@ncar.ucar.edu> ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) writes:
>In article <l8fuvrINN82m@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, bm@bike2work.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill Michel) writes:
>Several people have mentioned that they prefer the name, and the
>implied broadening of charter, of misc.transportation.  This would be
>ok with me, although I'm not sure that this excludes traditional
>auto/highway systems.  (When I mentioned "highway design" in the RFD,

how 'bout misc.transp.alt, or misc.alt.transp or misc.transp.planning

>I was referring to engineering for multiple use, cars/buses of the
>future, etc.)  I believe the .transit suffix was originally chosen
>
>If others have opinions on the name (.transit vs .transportation) or
>charter, please post. 

I know I said it already, but as a cyclist, I often feel left out of
"transit" discussions, becauase neither the academic, political or
public context of "transit" includes bicycles (as I have experienced
it). Normally I wouldn't make such a big deal about it, but I *do*
feel that this (lack of) association is *ingrained*, and a 
relatively minor change in nomenclature might help to broaden & 
enhance the discussion of auto-alternatives.

Bill

--
Bill Michel			
bm@eng.sun.com		These views are my own, not Sun's.
From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: changing a newsgroup's moderator
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:34:52 GMT
Organization: Megadodo Publications, Light City, Ursa Minor Beta

jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes:

>Indeed.  But as I've pointed out elsewhere, at least twice now :-),
>changing a newsgroup from unmoderated to moderated, which does not
>involve stepping on anyone's toes or forcing anyone to defend
>themselves, is quite a different situation from changing the moderator
>of a newsgroup without his consent.
>
>The former affects only the readers of the newsgroup.  The latter
>affects both the readers of the newsgroup AND the current moderator,
>and therefore, the current moderator must have a special place in the
>process.

Of course.  And the rules of crossposting any item in news.announce.new-
groups to all affected groups automatically informs the moderators of
their suggested involvement.  (Special efforts can be taken regarding
the non-requirement of the news software to have an Approved: header for
every moderated group the post is submitted to.)

If still they didn't get the point, that is their own fault of being
negligent in their duties.

>Jonathan Kamens      jik@MIT.Edu
>MIT Information Systems/Athena      Moderator, news.answers

-- gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.racing,rec.motorcycles.dirt,alt.motorcycles.harley
From: shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: rec.motorcycles.harley vote acknowledgment
Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:53:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.175455.12021@ncsu.edu>, steve@bucolix.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier) writes:
>
> [typical overreaction and tirade deleted]
>

Steve,

If you put as much effort into your degree work as you waste on some
r.m* issues you'd have that degree by now and be able to attend social
functions like the RCR.

Do you expect to attend the 1993 gathering?

- Roid
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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Impropriety in soc.culture.tamil vote
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:30:13 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia):
>Even if I were to send these 600 people emails, they need not reply,
>or they may reply but not tell me the truth.  So to me this is not
>only inconvenient, it is also flawed enough to validate the votes.

By Alok's standards, every vote ever run is invalid.

Imminent death of Usenet predicted.  Film at 11.  (Not!)
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: alok@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (alok.vijayvargia)
Subject: Re: Impropriety in soc.culture.tamil vote (Re: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:13:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.152458.9439@coe.montana.edu>, prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar) writes:
> 
> Also I don't understand the argument why Mr. Pandian's act of sending an e-mail
> is considered an act of impropriety even though the likes of Alok and Kuram
> know and admit that the e-mail was sent before the CFV.

I don't know about this specific email sent by him. It may have been done
before the CFV.  That is not my point. 
Point is that he was along with a group of other people
in proposing the group and carrying the RFD. He or the other 
organizers on his behalf conducted an email campaign during the vote
exhorting the votes, asking people to vote YES or abstain from voting.
One person has indicated so in his post. This is unethical in my opinion.
> 
> 
> There is absolutely no evidence that the vote taker did so.
> 
Assume for a moment that he is innocent and nothing wrong happened.
Why is he then refusing to provide the data requested from him for last
25 days ?.

Think about it. 

Something which could have been settled in an hour or less, has dragged
for 25 days. Why is he not providing the emails if they actually came in ?

Enquiring minds would like to know.
> 
> Sincerely yours,
> M.P.Premkumar

Sincerely yours,

A. Vijayvargia
From: jdc@naucse.cse.nau.edu (John Campbell)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.graphics.gnuplot
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:12:54 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ


From article <BtCH8y.MpG@news.cso.uiuc.edu:, by d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart):
: comp.graphics		Computer graphics, art, animation, image processing.
: comp.graphics.avs	The Application Visualization System.
: comp.graphics.explorer	The Explorer Modular Visualisation Environment (MVE).
: comp.graphics.research	Highly technical computer graphics discussion. (Moderate
: comp.graphics.visualization	Info on scientific visualization.
. . .
: 3) comp.graphics.gnuplot
: 	comp.graphics is generally oriented towards research, so despite
: 	the nice name, it does not belong here.

Is avs or explorer more research oriented than gnuplot?  As others
have pointed out, we've seen gnuplot discussed in comp.graphics more
than anywhere else.  Further, most of us would expect to find gnuplot
in this heirarchy.

Now, I'm not sure I really care where it actually lands--despite a
personal bias toward comp.graphics.gnuplot.  These days I grep my
.newsrc to find any new group I'm looking for--and at least gnuplot
is a clear indicator of what the news group is about.

Are we really ready for a vote?  Other than the location of the news
group do we have other disagreements to air?  Is there a volunteer to
archive the newsgroup once it's formed?  (That would be very nice,
by the way, as I'm filling up disks with only partial info-gnuplot
traffic.  Imagine, someday, a waisified or gophered gnuplot archive!)


-- 
	John Campbell               jdc@naucse.cse.nau.edu
                                    JDC@NAUVAX.UCC.NAU.EDU
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From: mgfrank@avernus.com (Marc G. Frank)
Subject: Re: changing a newsgroup's moderator
Organization: Maryland Appreciation Society, Buffalo, NY
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:30:19 GMT

In article <992Aug.00225.246@athena.mit.edu> jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) writes:
[...]
>Yes, it would be posted to the moderated newsgroup, or to the associated
>discussion group if there is one.  Yes, Dave Lawrence would have to get
>permission from the moderator of the group to do this.  Refusal by the
>moderator to allow the message to be posted, and or failure of the moderator
>to respond after a reasonable amount of time, would both be grounds for
>skipping the poll completely and going on to the next step :-).
[...]
>d) Without the poll, a moderator could be challenged over and over, without
>six month delays between challenges, since the current guidelines require a
>delay only after a failed vote, not after a failed discussion.
[...]
>b) They explicitly say that after a discussion to replace a moderator that
>does not get to the voting stage, a similar discussion cannot take place for a
>certain amount of time.
[...]


I presume that you would also require a waiting period between one
failed straw poll and another.  Otherwise, the moderator could be forced
to post every RFSP that comes along, even if the same person issued them
time and time again after the previous one fails.  If the moderator did
not post one, according to your statement in the first quoted bit above,
then the process would immediately continue with an official RFD.

Or, in other words, a failed straw poll is the same as a failed official
CFV, yes?

Just want to make sure that that bit is clear.

+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
| Marc G. Frank                                  mgfrank@avernus.com |
|                   I'd rather be in Eldersburg.                     |
+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: guidelines for moderator replacement
Summary: JUST SHUT UP ALREADY
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 07:02:33 GMT

In article <0105011F.atmg7d@dragon.enigami.mv.com> cory@enigami.mv.com writes:

>Assuming that this [discussion] succeeds,

Oh, it will not.

I guarantee it.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Bisexual just means you pay for it."
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Rock Hudson
From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.graphics.gnuplot
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:10:48 GMT
Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Originator: dslg0849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu


		*** FOLLOWUP-TO: NEWS.GROUPS ***

I have received a lot of email regarding this RFD.  This is a `Request For
Discussion', not a `Call For Votes'.  Please follow-up to news.groups instead!

> NAME:   comp.graphics.gnuplot

comp.graphics.* is for computer graphics, not software packages.  I think
comp.apps.gnuplot would be a more appropriate name.  An alternative would
be comp.apps.gnuplot.bugs and comp.apps.gnuplot.info or comp.apps.gnuplot.d.
I prefer a single newsgroup at first with the option to bifurcate in the
future if the need arises.

> CHARTER:
> 1) This group would be for the discussion of the GNUPLOT plotting program
>    by developers and users.
> 2) This group would be gatewayed with the info-gnuplot@ames.arc.nasa.gov
>    mailing list.

The mailing list may be discontinued or moved.

> 3) An FAQ list would be maintained.
> 4) GNUPLOT is a command-driven interactive function plotting program which:
>    a) Plots data or functions.
>    b) Has been tested on Unix, VMS, MSDOS, MS-Windows, Amiga, and Atari
>       platforms.

OS/2 too.

>    c) Supports many different graphics devices.
>    d) Is authored by Thomas Williams, Colin Kelley, Russell Lang,
>       Dave Kotz, John Campbell, Gershon Elber, and many others.

e) Is not part of the GNU project.

> STATUS: Unmoderated

Daniel Lewart
d-lewart@uiuc.edu

		*** FOLLOWUP-TO: NEWS.GROUPS ***
From: paul@devon.lns.pa.us (Paul Sutcliffe Jr.)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: 19 Aug 92 01:02:50 GMT
Organization: Personal System, Lancaster, PA, USA
Keywords: worthless

peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:

>"Which is better, Computone whizzbang or Digiboard Geewhiz?"

That's not a UNIX issue, it's a HARDWARE issue.  Note that Computone
and Digiboard products work with {PC,MS}-DOS and PICK, as well as UNIX.

Put it in comp.sys.ibm.{pc,ps2}.hardware.

- paul
-- 
INTERNET:  paul@devon.lns.pa.us      |    Why doesn't anything ever
UUCP:      ...!rutgers!devon!paul    |    vanish into THICK air?  --Me
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From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: It's time to clean up the hierachy, i.e. RFD on mass rmgrping
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:03:59 GMT

In article <ali1H4m9_8@atlantis.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
>comp.sys.mac
>comp.sys.ibm.pc
>comp.sys.amiga
>comp.sys.next
>comp.os.os2
>
>Most of these are over a year old.  Can someone send out rmgroups for
>at least these?

Someone has.  The rest of Usenet can send out rmgroups till we're blue
in the face, but if your newsadmin isn't honoring them, you'll have 
to resort to local persuasion.  Such as writing a script to funnel
comp.group.superseded into the mailbox of usenet@your.site.

(I'm only partially joking.  I realize a lot of other news admins are
busy -- I try to stay no more than a couple of days behind -- but I've
talked to a few admins who just can't be bothered.  Or worse, insist
that because there are still bozos _posting_ to comp.sys.mac, they can't
possibly remove it.)

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            news@uchinews.uchicago.edu
  "Is this flamewar over a dead issue *really* necessary?" --Tim Lynch
  "You forget. This is Usenet." --Peter da Silva
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From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.racing,rec.motorcycles.dirt,alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: rec.motorcycles.harley vote acknowledgment
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:05:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: i88.1992Aug17.190530.13295
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL

In article <1992Aug14.210017.10254@ncsu.edu> steve@bucolix.ece.ncsu.edu (Steve Garnier) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.144418.12756@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
>shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug10.232639.7416@nas.nasa.gov> 
>>>ciotti@wk42.nas.nasa.gov (Robert B. Ciotti) writes:
>>>+Here is the ack for the rec.motorcycles.harley vote received by
>>>+Mon Aug 10 16:21:04 PDT 1992
>>>+
>>>+laszlo@columbine.cs.colorado.edu Laszlo Nemeth 
>>>+laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu Laszlo Nemeth 
>>Anyone caught stuffing the ballot box should have *all* of their votes
>>disqualified.
>
>While abuse of the ballot box also angers me, I can't agree that the
...


Now wait just a minute.  Haven't _any_ of you ever experienced the
variable reliability of e-mail?  Does all your mail go through in
an hour?  A day?  A week?  If you sent some mail in, two days later
saw a vote summary, and your name wasn't in it, would you resend
the mail to get your vote counted, or just say, "oh, well, it'll
count anyhow".....?  If you think that e-mail is as reliable as
paper mail, let me know before I go into business with you.
If the final vote tally counts more than one vote from a reply address
where the only difference is the system name (_not_ the domain name),
then I submit that the final tally is meaningless anyhow.  So why
not get off Lasz's case?
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
	So just where did George Bush get the idea that he gets to
			decide policy for the U.N.?
Xref: sparky news.groups:16835 rec.bicycles:20689
From: bhilden@bigriver.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Hildenbrand)
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: RESULT: rec.bicycles reorganization passes
Date: 13 Aug 1992 18:28:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigriver

In article <1992Aug13.132659.21549@source.asset.com> parksd@source.asset.com (Don Parks) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.044251.9828@uunet.uu.net> les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest) writes:
>>All of the six new unmoderated newsgroups proposed to replace
>>rec.bicycles were approved by margins of at least 403 to 124, which
>>amply meets the established criteria.  I have not bothered to count
>>the votes separately for each newsgroup because the approval rate was
>>so high for the entire proposal.  Thus, the new newsgroups are to be:
>>  rec.bicycles.marketplace
>>  rec.bicycles.tech
>>  rec.bicycles.rides
>>  rec.bicycles.soc
>>  rec.bicycles.racing
>>  rec.bicycles.misc
>>
>>...
>
>All I can say is you all F*CKED up!!!
>Good luck at keeping the posts in the correct groups according to
>charters.  I think people, especially those coming in for the first
>time are going to be clueless as to where to put there posts.
>
>Let the confusion and cross posting begin !!!!!
>
>Don (the pissed of mountain biker/tourer) Juan
>-- 

That is, of course, a matter of personal opinion!

Bruce
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From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.graphics.gnuplot
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:59:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.000647.23725@access.usask.ca>
	macphed@dvinci.USask.Ca (Ian MacPhedran) writes:
>Perhaps comp.apps.graphics.gnuplot or comp.graphics.apps.gnuplot would
>be the best way to go. :-) {JUST KIDDING PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY :-}

Too bad you weren't serious, because `comp.apps.graphics.gnuplot' is
the correct name for the group.
-- 
Chip Rosenthal  512-482-8260 | Let the wayward children play.  Let the wicked
Unicom Systems Development   | have their day.  Let the chips fall where they
<chip@chinacat.Unicom.COM>   | may.  I'm going to Disneyland.  -Timbuk 3
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From: brownw@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Bill Brown)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.classical.guitar
Reply-To: brownw@hercules.uregina.ca (Bill Brown)
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Saskatchewan
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:19:02 GMT

>In article <1992Aug20.143013.4877@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
>bk233@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jack W. Weinmann) writes:
>
>
>Since disciplines are similar, would it not be fit for any style of
>acoustic finger-style playing?  Many people who fingerpick could gain a
>great deal of insight from classically trained or disciplined guitarists.
>
>I am already on the mailing list, but I feel that this group is a VERY good
>idea and will cast my vote FOR it as soon as I see that a CFV is posted for
>it.
>
>Jack W. Weinmann    bk233@cleveland.freenet.edu

I don't really agree with this.  I think we need to differentiate
between ACOUSTIC and CLASSICAL.  There are SO MANY acoustic guitar
tunes, styles, etc. etc. that perhaps it should have it's own group.
But that's not what we're talking about.
A thread `acoustic finger-style playing' shouldn't be on r.m.c.g (imho)
but `finger-style playing' would fit nicely; these two threads could
be the same in content.

There is discretionary judgements to be made by each poster, all I'm 
saying is that if you want to talk about acoustic style finger pickings 
on r.m.c.g, don't say the word `acoustic', just say finger style picking.
Obviously, we can't or wouldn't run a KILL file to obliterate any posting
with the word `acoustic', I'm just saying _don't draw other main subjects
into inapropriate groups_, that's all.  i.e. acoustic, in this case.
This applies to all the groups.

I agree with John's posting about the same topic.

Bill brownw@hercules.cs.uregina.ca

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