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From: horn@tegan.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Horn)
Subject: Re: Our daily philosophy question
Keywords: beer
Organization: NASA Johnson Space Center
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:59:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.142613.584@prl.philips.nl> schut@prl.philips.nl (Schut G) writes:
>Overheard during the climb to jump altitude:
[ ..story deleted.. ]

I heard an original, last weekend at the DZ.

There was a tandem student celebrating her birthday with a jump.  Someone
asks her, "Is this your first birthday you're celebrating by jumping out
of a perfecly good airplane?"  Of course, she answered, "Yes."  You already
know what the 20 other people in the 21 place Twin Otter were yelling.

On an aside...

For those of you who get sick of hearing that you owe for beer for any little
thing like, "Is this the first time you picked your nose on the way to altitude
with a woman with red hair in the airplane?"  You can respond with, "Is this
the first time YOU'VE SEEN ME pick my nose on the way to altitude with a woman
with red hair in the airplane?"  Or if you really want to piss them off go out
and buy a case of root beer.

Personnally, I don't drink.  So, I don't drink anyone else's beer.  I don't 
like the idea of supporting someone else's drinking.  If I buy anything, it's
usually root beer.  Besides, this sport is expensive enough, why do we have to
add more costs?  Just say, "No!"  ;-)

- sparkie
horn@mickey.jsc.nasa.gov
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Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Parachutist
Date: 4 Oct 92 06:27:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: ehsnet.1156.2AD198F5

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From: romulus!diana.cair.du.edu!jvilhube (Jan Vilhuber)
To:   ehsnet!skydive
Date: 4 Oct 92 05:24:33 GMT

Just two thoughts on this month's issue of Parachutist:
One: Congrats Art for your Gold Wings and 12-Hour..

Two: Was reading the advertisement for Dytter. It seems they introduced
        a new feature: an LED that blinks when the alarm goes off. 
        Now correct me if I'm wrong (I don't own a dytter), but most
        people wouldn't mount the thing somewhere in from of they're face,
        would they? I mean, unless they ship fiberoptical cable with it, to route
        the light close to the eye, a blinding flash of light or something...
        *I* don't think so!
        What the hell good would an LED do?!

        Late
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From: andra@cs.widener.edu (Robert Andracsek)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Re: You're dead -- unless you pull (was Re: Tiny Broadwick
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:15:42 GMT
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In article <5250003@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker) writes:
 >             rounds                                  squares
 >       #jumps          #mal                    #jumps          #mal
 >
 >Glen      0             0                         1             0
 ><grin>
 Rob A.     0             0                         0             0

How insignificant are _those_ stats? :)

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From: Charolyn_Babichuk@darwin.biochem.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: You're dead -- unless you pull (was Re: Tiny Broadwick
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:59:30 GMT
Organization: University of Alberta

In article <1992Sep30.184640.17960@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
(Daniel Briggs) writes:
>In article <7120@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>
>  yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille) writes:
>>               rounds                                  squares
>>       #jumps          #mal                    #jumps          #mal
>>
>>Philip 50              1                       1200            8
>
>Daniel  2               0                       119             0
 Charolyn 0              0                       125             0
From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.fidonet.org (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Help, where to buy gear?
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:03:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: ehsnet.1158.2AD19909

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From: romulus!@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu:mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
To:   ehsnet!skydive
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:08:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.084306.28458@isy.liu.se> you write:
: I'm interested in buying various gear such as altimeters,
: frap hat, etc, but living over in Sweden doesn't exactly give
: you access to US market.
: Could someone be kind enough to e-mail me the FAX and/or 
: phone numbers to some well known places selling skydiving
: equipment. That way I could get in contact with them and
: at least see what the prices are  -  I know it's considerably
: cheaper :-) 
: Then it's just a matter of being patient enough and not buy
: anything until I get over there the next time.

Hiya Hokie... invest in "The Parachuting Pages."  They have
everything (including world-wide entries from dz's, to specific
products, to corporate listings), so I'll list them first:
voice=904-736-9779, and FAX=904-736-9786.  In the meanwhile,
get a catalogue from ParaGear: 708-679-5905.  [all US numbers].

Good luck.
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From: nironen@ntc02.tele.nokia.fi (Pasi Nironen , OH2BKX)
Subject: Re: High birds?
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:08:16 GMT

In article <1aog3nINNepe@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, andy@cse.ucsc.edu (Andy John) writes:
>   Someone said they thought they hiyt a bird at 3500 feet... what you a
>   bird be doing flying that high? I mean it seems like a waste of
>   energy. Anyone up on bird behavior? Do they really fly that high?
> 
>   Andy
 
	Hello world

	It was in the beginning of May here in Southern Finland. I was
	in Piper Six climbing to 2km. From 1km to 2km there were so many
	bird that we were really worried should we jump or not. The pilot
	had to change direction a couple of times to avoid those
	bird "clouds".

	We did jump but we didn't enjoy too much freefall because we were
	too concentrated to watch if there were birds just below us.

	In my ParaClub the "old Timers" told me these birds can go pretty
	up (>7km) to get good direction of wind for their voyage. 
	According to them parachuters haven't collided to birds in Finland.
	I think that if somebody hits himself to,lets say big bird like 
	geese, only thing that can help you is AAD.

	BTW, for flames of "50 CRW jmps and no reserve rides -> not docked"
	A friend of my who teaches me in CRW has abt 600 CRW jumps and only
	4 reserve rides (one of mals was packing mal) and he has docked OK.
	He was in Finnish CRW record -92 :15-plane.( My biggest is only
	7-plane.)
	If we look the stats collected among newsreaders CRW is Not too
	much dangerous than i.e FS, HI!

	I wish pleasant MAIN rides for everybody in rec.skydiving.

			Pasi
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From: michi@ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au (Michael Henning)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: You're dead -- unless you pull (was Re: Tiny Broadwick
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:47:10 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille) writes:

>		rounds					squares
>	#jumps		#mal			#jumps		#mal

Michi 	0		0			195		2
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From: stephen@moclips (Stephen L Nicoud)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: You're dead -- unless you pull (was Re: Tiny Broadwick
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:31:39 GMT
Reply-To: stephen@boeing.com (Stephen L Nicoud)
Organization: Boeing Computer Services Research and Technology, Bellevue, WA USA
Originator: stephen@atc.boeing.com

Philip Yzarn de Louraille writes:

>Just for kicks...
>
>		rounds					squares
>	#jumps		#mal			#jumps		#mal
>
>Philip	50		1			1200		8
>
Stephen	0		0			52		0
Judy	0		0			28		0
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From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 18:26:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: You're dead -- unless you pull (was Re: Tiny Broadwick
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

             rounds                                  squares
       #jumps          #mal                    #jumps          #mal

Glen      0             0                         1             0


<grin>

 ..glen
From: joe@avs.com (Joe Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Number of jumps
Date: 2 Oct 92 14:06:06 GMT
Organization: Advanced Visual Systems Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Robert Vernon (bob@pta.pyramid.com.au) wrote:
: In article <7164@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille) writes:
: >In article <15864@mindlink.bc.ca> Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs) writes:
: >>>                rounds              squares             aad
: >>>            #jumps   #mal      #jumps    #mal      saves    #mal
: >>>Mark          10       0          450      1         0       2
: >>>Pete           0       0         1300      0
: >>>Philip        50       1         1200      8
: >>>Pierre        45       0         1200      0
: >>>Vilhuber       0       0          115      0
: >>
: >> Gerhard        0       0           82      0
: >> H. Wain       36       0         1200      1
: >> Hector         0       0          260      0
: >> Jan            0       0          115      0
: >> Tim            0       0          175      0
: >>
: >> Charlie     1500       3          750      3
: >>
: 
:    Bob V!        60       0         2000      2
: 
     Joe            0       0          630      1


					Joe Peterson
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From: esj@viper.eng.ufl.edu (Eric S. Johnson)
Subject: Re: Advice for new jumpers buying gear 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 14:28:13 GMT

>Avoid micro lines on mini-risers-- 
>one or the other but not both as it's not a structurally sound 
>combination.  That's why reserve static lines are grounded
>for this combination.

Actually, its the type 17 mini risers with RSL's are the ones that are
grounded, and then only certain brands. It has nothing to do with the
type of line you have.

The problem with mini risers is that at the grommet that the 3ring locking 
loop passes through, you only have about 1/4 inch of webbing on each side of 
the grommet hold everything together. This weak point will break under a 
much lower load than a standard riser. A jumper who has a high wing loading 
on his hard opening Zp canopy might just find himself connected to his main
by one riser goup. If this happened, you would breakaway and fire your 
reserve. No biggie eh. But if you have a RSL on one of your risers, and
this is the riser that breaks, you will have a main connected by one riser
and a RSL activated reserve out. You might live, but the chances of an
entanglement have just risen drasticly. 

So Vector and PDF and Rigging Inv. and a few others have issued a bulletian
telling you to remove the RSL attachment ring on certain mini risers. Note
this doesn't make the risers less likely to break, it just makes sure they won't
accidently activate the reserve before you cutaway the surviving riser.

No manufacturer has actaully recalled any risers, as far as I know. 

I tell anyone who has a miniriser with a grommet through it to avoid using 
a RSL. 

The industry has come up with all kindsa neet new methods to make minirisers
stonger and/or safer. A few I have seen in the last few months include:

1. Mounting the RSL attachment ring below the grommet, in the hopes 
that if the sucker breaks it still won't pull the reserve. 

2. Making the mini riser out of folded over standard risers, which are 
unfolded and standard sized down at the 3ring attachment area. Vector
is making some like this I beleive.

3. Not having a gromment through the mini riser, but instead having the gromment 
on a small flap of fabric. Hard to explain this one, but it is my favorite.
Done by Strong Ent. and RI uses on the flexon too I beleive.



Ej

Who will one day buy some risers like #3 above, but for now still sports death
with conventional Javalin minirisers. But no RSL.



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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Parachutist
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:03:00 GMT

 (tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Oct5.153116.14978@eng.ufl.edu> esj@viper.eng.ufl.edu (Eric S. Johnson) writes:
: >
: >Great unbaised journalism..... NOT.
: 
: Ticked me off a bit; I read that last night - "surprisingly powerful" and
: "remarkably fast" they said. As if they didn't already know... if it weren't
: so glaringly obvious,... I thought that was a scum ommission.

The articles you read from Parachutist magazine are moderately to
heavily edited.  I have had friends submit articles, which were
accepted, and were surprised to see their name on an article that
only resembles what they wrote.

The thing which annoys me the most is the "letters to the editor"
section.  Editorial comments are too common in this section.  This
is the area in which publications allow their readers to comment
freely without retort.  Read a copy of Time magazine and compare
the number of editorial comments in that section to the number of
editorial comments in Parachutist in the same section.

Parachutist magazine is the best means of disseminating information
available, but that doesn't mean it can't be improved.

: Too bad '-Ed.' isn't on line, some flames would be appropriate.

Kevin Gibson (i.e. '-Ed') runs a dz out of St. Mary's airport called
The Skydiving Center of Greater Washington, DC, Inc.  Nice looking
dz too; it's listed in your parachutist magazine.
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From: drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Doug Puchalski)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: You're dead -- unless you pull (was Re: Tiny Broadwick
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:04:15 GMT
Reply-To: drp40@cd.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <7120@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille) writes:
>
>		rounds					squares
>	#jumps		#mal			#jumps		#mal
>
>Philip	50		1			1200		8

         0              0                        160            0

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From: dparsons@ache.mad.adelaide.edu.au (David Parsons)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Number of jumps (mals)
Date: 4 Oct 92 11:32:04 GMT
Organization: University of Adelaide, South Australia
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> In article <7120@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>,
> (Philip Yzarn de Louraille) writes:
>
> Just for kicks and concerning malfunction rates of main parachutes, why
> don't we all write the number of jumps we have and the number of main
> malfunctions we got so far......

                 rounds              squares             aad
             #jumps   #mal      #jumps    #mal      saves    #mal
   Me        ~140       1        1485      2         n/a     n/a
                                 includes 1 on
                                 Vector tandem (pilot)

David Parsons :dparsons@ache.mad.adelaide.edu.au
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Our daily philosophy question
Keywords: beer
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 03:18:26 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.152056.16951@prl.philips.nl> schut@prl.philips.nl (Schut G) writes:
>
>I think this is a very important issue. Sometimes the rules are clear and
>sometimes they aren't. 

We should probably petition for an appendix to the SIM. The potential for
confusion is indeed of great concern. I think there should be question on
the First Jump Course written. Not that I would exploit the results...

>BTW, what are the customs in the US for the 100th jump? Just curious.

I thought Merkins just had to buy beer. I got pied. Or should I say -
Piece-of-Pied. I think Char was responsible for that. I've yet to see
another American get any sort of recognition for anything. Not even 1,000
tandems. The explanation is simple, but I'll leave it to your imagination.
I know a lurker that had better watch out, though! Mustard and I have been
exposed to true crazies and we'll formulate a plot. Also keep in mind the
absence of a Statute of Limitations. Jan. ( )  <-- smiley obscured by pie

>Gerhard          \_mm0__\__mmO____Omm_/__Omm_/          schut@prl.philips.nl

Tim
I got the double whammy, I walked though the pie that fell off my face...
The next morning.In my Tevas. Yuck.



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From: jvilhube@diana.cair.du.edu (Jan Vilhuber)
Subject: Re: Beer (Was: Re: Our daily philosophy question)
Keywords: beer
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:53:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.145948.22914@eng.ufl.edu> esj@viper.eng.ufl.edu (Eric S. Johnson) writes:
>I don't see the big deal here. At my home DZ the rule is you owe
>a CASE for things. A case of whatever (liquid prefered). The guy who
>pays off in a case of gatoraid during the day in the summer is cheered 
>and thanked as much, if not more, then the guy who brings the case of beer.
>
>Ej

That is an EXCELLENT idea! Of course summer is over, but I guess I could
alway bring a case of hot chocolate or something (for the colder months).
Thanks for the idea Eric.

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From: eap@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Perozziello)
Subject: Malfunctions.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 19:00:05 GMT

Also, I think it would be interesting to hear about the 
causes of these malfunctions (why did it happen, if known,
and what kind was it- bag lock, line twists).  This way,
maybe we can all learn from other's mistakes/bad gear
choices/whatever. I would collect a short description (
(don'tcha hate essay questions!!) of everyones mal's
and paul can collect the pure stats. 

Stats are good to know, and I think we could learn so
much from the experience of others.

-Eric

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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Our daily philosophy question
Summary: beer
Keywords: beer
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 08:34:30 GMT

As we all know, the "case of beer" rules so often mentioned are sometimes
followed, and sometimes not.

First jump at a new DZ    <-- good time to buy beer

First jump on a thursday  <-- maybe not a good enough reason to buy beer

(Incidentally, I think the "first anything" rule is the primary cause of
people not buying for the really significant occasions.  We get so
inured to shouts of "case of beer" that our beer buying reflexes get
dulled in those cases where it's truly appropriate.  But that's a musing
for another posting.)

I was actually thinking about a case when most people really do cough up the
booze.  (Umm, that didn't quite come out right.  You know what I mean!)
Namely, I mean reserve rides.  It seems that people still do respect this
one.  If the rigger saves your life, you buy him booze.  Usually whiskey,
but sometimes the old standby "case of beer".  Seems reasonable.  After all
if you don't, Gawd knows what he's going to put in your reserve container
next time.

Now the question is this: Exactly when do you owe the rigger that bottle of
rye?  One of our local riggers opined that whenever you land with a reserve
over your head you owe booze.  Now one of us (me, to be exact) pointed out
that there are occasions when this is blatantly unfair.  If my reserve
closing loop breaks while I'm front floating, I do *not* owe that rigger
booze a) because it was his fault for not catching a worn loop during the
inspection b) riggers could start deliberately introducing reserve
malfunctions to get free booze and c) I don't care what that rigger thinks
because I'm not likely to frequent him in the future.  OK, so there is clearly
a case where one can land under a reserve and not owe anything.  But where
is the dividing line?  

The subject came up because one of our number did in fact have
a reserve deployment from the step a few weeks ago.  It's not clear, but
it seems to have been a snagged handle.  So does this dude owe booze?
As he put it, "my life wasn't in danger -- I had a perfectly good main
in my backpack."  On the other hand, he landed his reserve, and it probably
wasn't the rigger's fault.  Opinions?

Incidentally, our own Dave Crockett did his first hop & pop this weekend.
Had the handle in his hand before he cleared the tail.  He could have
*thrown* it back into the airplane, instead of carrying it all the way
back down to the ground.  Needless to say -- "Case of Beer!"  ;-)

Here's a extra credit question:  What's the oddest circumstance in which
you actually bought beer?

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From: king@glacier.Stanford.EDU (Robin King)
Subject: Re: Number of jumps
Organization: Center for Integrated Systems, Stanford University, California
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 19:18:28 GMT

	Harry Evans at Hollister says he's had NO malfunctions on his
	personal gear in fourteen years.  With over 3000 jumps total,
	that's saying something.  He's jumped the same old rag about 
	2000 times and just packs it the same every time and makes
	SURE the lines are straight.  But that man can pack FAST!

	Robin