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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: GLAAD: Sowell Off Target
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 06:46:38 GMT

In article <04j3=+h@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccsouth16.its.rpi.edu
(Ron Buckmire) writes:

>Dunno much else about him excot that he has a syndicated column, and he's an
>example of one of those rare beasts called a "Black Republican."

Sowell is the darling of those opposed to affirmative action.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From:  David Christopher Rogers <drogers@msi.com>
Subject: Re: Into the streets!
Organization: RIACS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:12:37 GMT

	From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)

        Is the ban a good thing?  Of course not.  But pardon me from
	wanting to rank things like equal rights for everyone against
	a specific career opportuninty for a few. 

How is eliminating the last major government law enforcing discrimination
not an equal rights issue?  The very existance of that law is important,
even for those that do not wish to join the military.

You suggest that those fighting for the repeal of this ban are interested
in "specific career opportunities for a few", which is unworthy to those
who have risked their careers fighting discrimination.  Unwrap the 
snideness and condescending attitude from your remark and there's a
real point in there about priorities that you do not do justice to.
We may have higher priority battles, but this is hardly an unworthy one.

David Christopher Rogers
From: Randu@cup.portal.com (Randall - Jabaay)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pedophilia as sexual orientation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 18:55:22 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa



>StarOwl@uiuc.edu writes:
>Anyway, basically any line you draw in defining an age of consent
>will be "wrong."  I know some 15-16 year-olds who are mature enough
>to accept the responsibility of having sex.  I know some 21-22 year-olds
>who aren't mature enough to belong out of kindercare just yet.
>(Around here, they happen to belong to these social clubs known as
>fraternities...)

That's exactly why there is so much debate as to an age-of-consent.
Different people have different levels of maturity. Legally, there is
a need for gov't to say a minor is an adult at a certain age; i.e when
to vote,when to pay taxes,join the military,etc., but at what age 
does a minor have the maturity to decide what to do with his/her own
body and whom to do it with? It depends on the individual. 

>I personally would like to see a fuzzily-defined age-of-consent...but
>I'm not sure that the court system in the U.S. is competent enough to
>determine a person's own, real "age of consent."

Any age-of-consent law WOULD be arbitrary. Actually, I don't see any
need for the courts to enter into it at all unless the CHILD involved
complains or was hurt(emotionally or physically). 

Randy
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Fall(well) of the U.S.
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:45:41 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <KMEYER.93Jan25124520@solarium.aero.org> kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer) writes:
>I realize there was probably a smiley missing here, but if you try to
>send a message to bill@oval.gov, it's never going to even get out on
>the Internet.

I haven't tried it, but I am willing to bet that it at least gets as
far as elroy from my gateway... I'll let you know :)

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Looking for YAZZ "Wanted" CD or tape
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:43:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: osf.1993Jan26.144350.24208
Organization: Open Software Foundation

In article <1993Jan25.191912.29116@athena.mit.edu>, max@athena.mit.edu (Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:
> pcxmrp@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (M.Powell) writes:
> 
> >Are you all talking about Yazz, the black female singer
> >or Yazoo the Vince Clarke/Alison Moyet group?
> >It is getting very difficult to follow this thread.
> 
> Carl "Yaz" Yastrzemski played for the Boston Red Sox
> dream team which won the pennant in 1967.  That help?

And last night, a car passed me in the rotary on the Cambridge side of
the B.U. Bridge with a license plate reading "YAZZ". Does *that* help?
Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.sex.motss
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Fighting fundies
Keywords: fundamentalists, struggle, discrimination
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:25:12 GMT

In article <C18GJC.78J@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!) writes:
>I was just sitting here, reading soc.motss, and I have noticed a number of men-
>tions of the same thing:  These fundie groups that are trying to make our lives
>a hell are "non-profit"!  Now, I may be wrong here, but is it not required for
>a non-profit organization to abstain from any political activity?  I'm probably
>being naive here, but couldn't a few calls to attorney generals regarding the
>activities of trash like OCA, CFV, etc. possibly result in some investigation?
>At the least, if they were questioned or accused on this, they might have to 
>divert some of their funds to staying in operation.
>
>Another idea:  Why not try to drain the fundies' pocketbooks a little bit each
>day on our own?  A few months ago, someone mentioned sending lead weights to
>them through business reply mail?  What about sending lots of letters, without
>return address, postage due?  How about calling their 1-800 numbers (Do they
>have any?) incessantly, thus a.driving up their phone bills(maybe) and b.tying
>up their lines and operators' time?
>
>All these things are free.  I don't know if they would work; maybe someone has
>tried some or all of this before.  But anyone who has any other ideas, let us
>know.  I think the only way these hate groups are going to lose is if they run
>out of money.  So why not help them run out of money?

Fundies don't necessarily advertise in the general media and culture.  They have their own
communities centered around church activities and a cable TV channel or two.
In many places, because of low voter turnouts, they just have to get out 50% or more of their
members to win an issue.  They've taken over several local governments in So CA this way.
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: inclusive reorg proposals?  who needs 'em?
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:53:22 GMT
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

The reorg comment from Jeff Putnam (jefu@jupiter.nmt.edu):

>soc.motss - mostly because of historical tradition, also because
>soc.gay wont appear to be women inclusive, and soc.lesbigay will
>invite bi postings which belong for the most part in soc.bi.

Well, gee, isn't that fine and dandy?  I suppose I should shuffle off
to our nice little ghetto, after being a frequent poster for lo, these
many years -- and opposing the creation of soc.bi because some jackass
might decide it meant "bi postings...belong...in soc.bi".

Thanks _so_ much for telling me where I'm welcome.

--                    __
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  "Consider it an expression of `We're here, we're queer, and it's within
   the realm of distant possibility, perhaps, that we're not going away
   (am I being too pushy?  forgive me).'"  --Melinda Shore
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: safe sex question
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 03:50:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.225622.23906@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
(Nelson Minar) writes:

>In article <thaaang.728144628@cwis>
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>>John, who thinks it'd be nice to append a 'JUST KIDDING!' to this
>>thread, just in case Our Brent is still feeling sensitive about the
>>subject. Well, actually, I'm not kidding all *that* much, but it's
>>not objectification, I swear, or at least not in a bad way.

>speaking of objectification about dicks..

I love it when you talk dirty, honey.

>there was only one naked person I really remembered in his
>complete nakedness.  That was John.  And I remember him
>because he had a remarkably nice penis.

There *is* a certain aesthetic, I think, for the virile
member.  I lived over ten years with a man whose dick was of
about average overall dimensions, but it was perfectly
formed, in my opinion.

>There, now I've said it.

Well why not, I say?

Harkening back to the previously mentioned sensitive topic,
one balmy summer night (some years back now), I was walking
from the bar to my car, and this very tall man walking down
the opposite side of the alleyway said hello.  One thing did
lead to another, and though I've been blessed by seeing more
than one salami in my day, this was (and remains) the most
impressive tool I've ever seen with my naked eyes, held with
my naked hands (and I will *not* go on :-).  In contrast to
Brent, this Brett wasn't at all self-conscious about his
vastness of engine.  All I said was, "My!" (you know the
tone, I'm sure), and thought, "Good thing he's lying down,
or he'd surely pass out from lack of blood in the brainpan!"
He just smiled sweetly and said, "Big, isn't it?"  Aye to
that!

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren)
Subject: Re: Into the streets!
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:10:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.181703.19147@spdcc.com>, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> 	It's worse than that.  The whole "gays in the military"
> stuff has serious consequences.  The phobe backbone is now using 
> this as a tool to motivate people to pass CO2-like (and possibly
> OR9-like) amendments in 1994 (or sooner) esp. if the ban gets lifted.
> In other words, we might have a much harder fight on a much larger
> scale if the ban gets lifted right away.
> 
> 	Is the ban a good thing?  Of course not.  But pardon me from
> wanting to rank things like equal rights for everyone against
> a specific career opportuninty for a few.

There's a couple of things about this line of argument that I find
very troubling. You're proposing that we concede ground on a
high-visibility item -- one with very strong *symbolic* effect -- for
fear that it will encourage a backlash. But the appearance of weakness
if we lose this one will encourage a backlash anyway.

> 	If Clinton pushes too hard, and Congress resets the policy
> (they set the terms for military law and can outact an exec order)
> it will send the message to every state that it is possible and
> prudent to "stop" the gay agenda.  Or "gay people have pushed too far".
> This will have an effect on the heterosexual clueless (presumably
> the voting block that passed CO:2) who are easily swayed by any
> anti-gay argument since 1) it doesn't affect them and 2) it's
> safer [to them] to vote against something than worry about the
> possible consequences to a bunch of people that are invisible anyway.

This is the "don't be too pushy" argument. If we're not pushy, we will
get *nothing*, and deserve it. I'm fed up with this one.

Anyway, at this point, the issue already has high visibility, and
Clinton is already out front on it. If he backs down on this one, the
damage to our causes will be incalculable.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Iced (was Re: Gay soda! I'm so excited!)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:51:25 GMT


In article <C15xq0.8qq@unix.amherst.edu>
twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce), syntactically under
the influence of strong pot, perhaps, writes:

>Me, I tend to make it in great pots so strong that it will
>kill you just as soon as look at you,

As pots go, that's pretty strong.

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From: - (-)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Who is John Secada?
Followup-To: soc.motss
Date: 28 Jan 1993 02:14:41 GMT
Organization: -
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hair.engin.umich.edu

Who is John Secada?  
Sorry for my cluelessness.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Finally!!!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:02:17 GMT

jsb16@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jennifer S Broekman) writes:

>In article <1993Jan21.014624.22521@samba.oit.unc.edu> 
>czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:

>>i can't even remember when there weren't criminals in the white house, as
>>i was only 6 when Reagan was inaugurated.

>I was 8. Watching the election returns and being disappointed that Reagan
>won is my first memory of a political event.

Ditto here. I've never even known that someone could have hope about
the government; it felt so strange on election night. It's nice to
think that the first time I voted, I voted for the guy that won (not
that my vote counted, since I cast it in Beautiful Fascist Nebraska).
Now I just hope he doesn't fuck everything up.

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From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Clinton is President, Bush is not even history
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:04:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.204139.29513@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:
>Now, how many millions of Americans expected a giant foot to squash
>George Bush?

George Bush?  Who's that bloke?

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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine: Queer Kardassians?
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:54:33 GMT
Organization: Unocal Corporation

I don't they are queer, but I find the race attractive in masculine terms.
Humans seem comparatively effeminate in appearance.
I think this is due to makeup that exargerates features that are masculine- sharper edges on 
the face, much more tendons and muscles showing in the neck and jaw.
The Klingons and some other races were an attempt to exaggerate masculinity using what I call
the rhinocerous approach- that buildup lots of defensive armor features in the skin and skeleton.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Subject: Re: Tips for coming out to friends?
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 17:59:13 GMT

In <latarra.727896636@camelot> latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren) writes:

>I've only really tried the direct approach.  One I wrote in a letter <he's
>in California> and said "I'm bisexual." and then asked him a bunch of
>questions about how he felt aobut it and how he thought that our friends
>would react - that was the "Andy letter" I posted last year.  Another one I
>asked "What would you say if I told you I was bisexual?"  She said she'd
>ask questions and didn't want me to hit on her <she was joking>, but since

   Lisa,
    Have you found it strange (read that as funny or disgusting) that when
    you do come out to friends, their reaction is that you immediately
    are going to come on to them?  Some of my male friends who are super- 
    macho types and some who are butt-ugly are sure that they are an 
    object of my desire.  That's when I tell them "I wouldn't fuck you if
    you were the last man on earth!"

ld
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cjones@physci.ucla.edu (Chad Jones)
Subject: Re: Congressional Contacts on Military Unban?
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1
Organization: University of California Los Angeles
     <1993Jan26.152523.17237@news.columbia.edu>
Date: 26 Jan 93 12:55:28 PST

Here are the numbers for the California Senate delegation:

Dianne Feinstein  voice (202) 224-3841  fax (202) 224-0656  Los Angeles
Office (310) 914-7300

Barbara Boxer  voice (202) 224-3553  [they wouldn't give me the fax
number.  "It's for emergencies only."]  Los Angeles Office  (310) 414-5705

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From: vince@pons.umhc.umn.edu (Vince Netz)
Subject: Re: ALL ELEVEN STATES: a person in Iowa
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:15:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.232314.16806@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson  
Minar) writes:
|In article <1993Jan24.133830.10124@iscsvax.uni.edu>  
weaverli0469@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
|>As a person that has just come out, the note "ALL ELEVEN states ..."
|>has got me in an uproar. What does that exactly mean for me as a
|>peoson from Iowa?
|
|It means you've got a lot of work to do. Welcome to the fight, sister,
|it's a long haul.
|
Yea, the big lesson from CO is not to take these bigots for granted.  Ya  
gotta start the hard work very early on.  Queers and other liberals in  
Minnesota (of which there are many) are getting very well organized to  
fight the Coalition for Family Values, whose principal leaders arrived  
from other parts of the country to do their hatemongering within the  
last two months.  So far it's been a fairly sad story for them here, but  
just cuz you're winning doesn't mean you can let up for a minute.  We  
also don't have voting by initiative/referendum, and the House/Senate  
have a large and vocal contingent in our corner, so at least from here  
it looks like they'll not get very far  *crossing fingers*

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: MOTSS-oriented music?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:36:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.085540.12922@fuug.fi> an6245@anon.penet.fi 
(Nobody in particular...) writes:
>I've seen posted on here lists of both MOTSS-oriented movies and gay
>TV characters.  I haven't seen anything yet related to MOTSS-oriented
>music.

"My Ding-A-Ling" by Chuck Berry contains what appears to be a
lesbian-positive remark.

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From: mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser)
Subject: Re: Stonewall in perspective (was: Year of the
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:59:40 GMT
Organization: a stone mountain of Kudzu

In <1993Jan21.000430.22936@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>In article <mattm-200193123955@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>>Political queens can go on for *so* *long* saying exactly
>>the same thing over and over and over and over and over and ...

>so can tired queens.
>                __

But haven't you noticed?  Those nearing complete exhaustion tend to
babble the most, since their talking keeps them awake and in denial
of their total fatigue.

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: FAX PRESIDENT CLINTON (*AND* GENERAL COLIN POWELL)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:44:39 EST
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On Tuesday, January 26 1993, dorsieh@agora.rain.com (Dorsie Hathaway) wrote:

> 
> I heard on ABC news this morning that the Congress had gotten over
> 800 faxes AGAINST lifting the ban and only 21 in support.  It's time
> to get off our hands, people.
> 
Exactly! This is a VERY important test of political power between Clinton and
the Right Wing. If he backs down on this we'll have difficulty getting anything
substantial later on. The NGLTF and HRCF have started fax/phone campaigns to
combat Sen Jesse Helms (R-NC) and Sen Dan Coats (R-IN) mobilisation of the
Christian Coalition, etc.

Bill Clinton
President of the United States
1600 Pennsylvania Ave, NW
Washington, DC 20500
(202) 456-1414
(202) 456-2883 [fax]

Also, phone/fax General Colin Powell at:

Gen. Colin L. Powell
Chairman
Joint Chiefs of Staff
The Pentagon
Washington, DC  20301-5000

vox: 703-697-9121.   
fax: 703-697-8758.   
   
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