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From: chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran)
Subject: Re: Contradictions in Secularism
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:06:35 GMT

In article <l8l8tvINNeoo@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.172943.21294@cis.ohio-state.edu> chandra@cannelloni.cis.ohio-state.edu (B Chandrasekaran) writes:
>:In article <l8ia1hINNapu@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>:
>::This brings us to the fundamental basic of secularism. Religion of
>::secularism decrees that henceforth life of man has been divided
>::between "personal" and "collective" spheres. It has further
>::been ordained that henceforth any thing to do with god or religion
>::will be constrained to fit into the "personal" sphere!!!!!!
>::
>::Would any one illuminate us as to which god or gods have made this
>::demarkation? Is this god the god of logic, rationalism or 
>::utilitarianism?
>:
>:   You are asking a rhetorical question whose import is that i. secularism
>:is as much a religion as any other religion, and ii. that its separation
>:of the personal from social is open to question.  Actually, I agree in
>:some ways with part ii. but I will argue that it is necessary for us
>:to live in peace with each other.
>
>:	[rest deleted. Let's go step by step]
>
>Who has decreed that "to live in peace" is such a wonderful
>idea? After all, the concept of "evolution" predicates that
>we wouldn't have reached this level of "learning" and 
>"intelligence" unless we had overcome all the "weaklings"
>on the way. May be there is even higher level of "intelligence"
>waiting for us, if we only allow the "fittest" to survive?

Hm, thanks for a pull-no-punches response about a vision of society in
which "weaklings" are destroyed and society "evolves" in
"intelligence" since only the fittest survive.  There are many
problems with this view.  One of them is that killing the other fellow
who does not agree to your regulation of his behavior based on your
revelation that he disagrees with hardly constitutes any proof of your
higher intelligence.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Re: Prolific posters of the last fortnight....
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:22:43 GMT

In article <l8nhjlINN4h4@phad.hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
[Attribution to me]

[Mostly rhyming Greek stuff deleted]

>>Sit Ubu sit .. Good dog!
>
>Aha the borrowed advertising cliche from a Hollywoood company.
>

Indeed. I love reflecting cliches. More Greek stuff surely. :-)

>The end to the creative process...what a waste, alas what a humanoid he might

:-) :-)

>Well if not human, I can at least treat him as a lamp post and......

So, there is hope yet to lie back and see the .....

>Samit

Sthan.
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From: fsjm@steelhead.lerc.nasa.gov (Joseph Mathew)
Subject: Re: Curious observation.
Keywords: Is it just me amd why not HE?
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:34:42 GMT

In article <susanc.714237418@keckiris> susanc@rice.edu (susan chacko) writes:

>trousers and shirts, year in, year out. It must get boring occasionally.
>But perhaps women are so used to the wide world of choice, (if only

	Used to the wide world of choice, or crave it?

	Perhaps it's just that the countless men who wear the similar
dark suits, white shirts, non-startling ties, atleast Monday through
Friday, do so because they are quite unconcerned with the packaging.
A case of substance being sufficient.  In the good old days, when
women didn't crowd the workplace and serve up distractions and make
all of life, including the workplace revolve around mating, this excessive,
obsessive attention to adornment was not necessary.  And, if it does seem
boring to an outsider, why, I suggest that this observer merely
fails to understand the great enterprise that the rather conservatively
dressed men are engaged in; one I might add that leaves no room for
thoughts about how to cover myself up differently so that strangers
will long for instant, deep carnal knowledge.

	And, that's why we wear white or off-white mundus and leave the
lungis behind where they've ended up last night.  The colored line
that extends from waist down to the ankles and wraps all around as well
is sufficient to indicate our moods (intimidate, if necessary)
like Baker's fiscal green tie.

Joseph

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: religious talks
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:14:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.135831@daffy.mc.ti.com>, (savithri) writes:
>
>Recently the postings on islam etc. are getting to be an
>annoyance and as some have suggested, it really should be
>in some "religious" group.  The only thing we learn from
>history is that we don't learn anything from history.
>What islam is going through are growing pains, just as 
>christianity went through a few centuries ago.  We also
>know that they were quite bloody in nature just as it is
>bloody today around the globe.  MOST of the waring factions
>today involve some nation against a neighbouring moslem group
>(just as it was with christianity).  Again from history we
>know that this will end (not soon enough to stop all the mindless
>killing and misery inflicted on innocent folks (esp. children)).
>Then there will be several INTEPRETAIONS of the book just as it
>is with the bible leading to methodists, unitarians, etc. etc.
>
>Then a NEW faith will come (peacefully at first) and start the
>ball rolling again.  I guess we humans are condemned to this
>wheel and somebody somwhere is having the last laugh.  
>The only way out of this is to abolish reiligion from this
>earth (WHAT A DREAM!)
>
>
>savithri
As you correctly point out that there's no escape from this cycle.
Religion cannot be abolished as it is the truth.
All you can do is to help keeping it as true religion.
That's why God has given us science so that it doesn't become
superstition any more.
As somebody else has pointed out: there's no way in earth that
Islam is going to be abolished or become secularism!!!!!
Wake up and smell the coffee!!!
Arindam
From: shenai@cisa.cis.uab.edu (Aravind Shenai)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Looking for... South Dakota
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:04:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: cis.1992Aug20.140450.21266
Distribution: usa
Organization: Comp. Science Dept, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Originator: shenai@cisa

Hi 
I need to get in touch with someone in the Graduate Program in the 
South Dakota State University at Brookings. I need info. on the school
and the Mech. Program for a friend of mine. 
Please send mail to :   shenai@amnese.eng.uab.edu     if yu have any pointers


Thanks in advance

Aravind
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: Help Arindam Ghosh, and ALL of us too!!!
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:20:37 GMT

In article <92233.140057U51935@uicvm.uic.edu> U51935@uicvm.uic.edu (Sesha Talluri) writes:
>Do you mind carrying this conversation through e-mail??????
>( ie Mr. Chatterjee and Ghosh)
>Thank you.
>sesha


I wouldnt recommend them doing so.  Their private conversations will
result in one of them `converting' the other.

imagine that !!!!!!!! either TWO arindams     OR    TWO Debs
on this net.  SCI cannot handle two such *******.

maybe dharti maata can, but plain old TCP/IP will wilt under
the tremendous strain.  (and my health insurance is temporarily
under suspension, precluding psychiatric visits).


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:27993 soc.culture.pakistan:13615
From: rakesh@dolphin (Rakesh Chabra)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Interested in a relationship?
Keywords: dating women relationship fun love single marriage
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:36:14 GMT
Organization: Software Ventures, Inc.

Hello,

My name is Rakesh and I am interested in meeting single Indian women in  
the San Francisco Bay Area. I was born and raised in this area and have  
developed a complementary mixture of the two cultures that I have been  
exposed to. I am 30, 5' 7" and I want to meet and eventually marry someone  
I can grow with and share what life has to offer.

I don't know about the cultural differences within the country (as far as  
the state/region of India anyone is from) so I will describe myself/my  
parents instead of putting restrictions on the type of person I want to  
meet. My parents are from Punjab and their religion is Hindu. If I have to  
speak an Indian language, the one I can get by with mostly is Punjabi and  
a little bit of Hindi.  I am a non-vegetarian (basically I'll try  
anything), I do not smoke, and I rarely drink (I hate beer). I have a very  
strong sense of family values - children are wonderful and parents are  
wise (but not always correct), I would want to take care of my or your  
parents should they need to be cared for. Brothers and sisters and cousins  
are very important and they should never be left out of the family for any  
reason. I am not very religious myself, but believe in helping anyone that  
I can.

Other than that, I simply love to have fun in everything I do. I work in  
Berkeley at a small software company where I perform Quality Assurance and  
design tasks. In my free time I go to movies, theater, concerts, visit  
family and friends, babysit my neice, volunteer at a cable company  
(cameraman) and pretty much do whatever comes up - just being spontaneous,  
I guess. The one word philosophy of my life is 'happiness'.

I welcome replies as well as comments on my ad. I love meeting new people,  
so reply now!

Thanks a lot,

Rakesh (rakesh@svcdudes.com)
From: sponna@eos.ncsu.edu (You don't have to know)
Subject: This is a test
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:17:22 GMT

	This is a test. I think there are too many test messages....

-- 
srikanth
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: satya@orion.hi-csc.honeywell.com (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Prolific posters of the last fortnight....
Organization: Sensor & System Development Center
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:21:15 GMT

(Samit Banerjee) writes:
>
> (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>>	To abandon the basic principles of common sense
>>	In the glorified name of poetic license
>>	Is much the same as applauding a cooking mess
>>	Which produces cookies with unbaked middle and frayed edges!
>>:-)
>>Satya Prabhakar
>
>Maybe you should find some time,
>To read some poetry where the lines dont rhyme,
>But the message is conveyed just as fine.
>Your comment on common sense is way out of line,
>And rudimentary attempts to suppress poetic license not worth a dime,
>
>Being net picky on the net is fine
>Even though you encroach on territory that is mine
>In addition to setting a bad precedent
>It gives us proof that your being here is some horrendous accident
>But every time you make an attempt to flame
>You sound like a feline on milk and cookies and so predictably tame.
>
>Samit

	A formidable rival is so much fun to engage,
	Who can with quick wit a riposte manage;

	Even as the ink of your defense of poetic license is still drying
	Why you chose to stick with poetic norms this time is most mystifying.

	Instead of mangling verses and flouting coherence in a manner so gross,
	Perhaps one should abandon the pretense of poetry and stick to prose!

(i am having fun. are you?)

Satya Prabhakar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: divaka@vccsouth18.its.rpi.edu (Ajay Divakaran)
Subject: Re: Going to a Wedding
Reply-To: divaka@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:42:01 GMT

This reminds me of what my Hindi Grammar book (Intermediate Samanya Hindi -
C.L. Mishra prescribed by the MP board) has to say on the subject. It 
points out that the usage Sowbhagyavathi (or Sowbhagyavati for those who
dont like the h) for an as yet unmarried woman is inappropriate. Instead
one should use Sowbhagyaakankshini. 
Sowbhagyavathi means Fortunate one.
Sowbhagyaakankshini means one who hopes or aspires to be Fortunate.
        I have seen the latter abbreviated as Sow. Ka. and have also
seen Chi. Sow . Ka. on occasion which stands for Chiranjeevi (Which is a
blessing for long life) Sowbhagyaa
 Kankshini which loosely translated means Long living,and aspiring to be fortunate,
and no it does not mean forever hoping to be married.
           Now folks I did not make up these rules about who has the right
to be Sow and who can only be a Sow Ka. So please do not flame me for being
sexist and non PC. And dont tell me that as I SOW so shall I reap. 
                            with that atrocious pun I retire
                                                         ajay
From: rberi@wpi.WPI.EDU (Rajesh Beri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Another visa question -- F2 visa
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:44:11 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

I have a question for the visa gurus on the net :

    My wife went to apply for her F2 visa but was not granted a visa.
    The consular officer told her that my bank balance was very less
    for someone who had been in this country for five years.  She was
    asked to get bank statements which show the daily activity in my 
    account.  
    
    When she applied for her visa, she had a bank statement for $ 3900/-  
    The expenses shown on the I-20 were $3500.  Despite the fact that, I 
    had enough funds to support her during her stay, she was unsuccessful
    in obtaining a visa.  

My question is what to do next ?  Showing more funds in my account would
only raise more questions ?  Is there any way out of this situation ?
Any help/advice will be greatly appreciated.   

I would also like to know the experiences of those netters whose spouses
were rejected once and had to apply again.  Was it easier the second time
or more difficult ?

Rajesh

  
   
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From: sarang@saturn.sdsu.edu (Srinath Sarang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Curious observation.
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:54:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshub.1992Aug19.165454.2123
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

susan chacko (susanc@rice.edu) wrote:
: gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
----> other stuff deleted <-------
: 
: On a related note, I have always felt rather sorry for the limited
: clothing options available to men. After all, we can pick up a 
: kurta-pyjama or a lungi and appear in public without creating much 
: excitement, even in India. And you poor guys are restricted to 
: trousers and shirts, year in, year out. It must get boring occasionally.
: But perhaps women are so used to the wide world of choice, (if only
: in clothing) that these restrictions seem claustrophobic only in 

 Wide world of choice ? Susan ?,

 Have you ever considered this,
 Women's fashion basically just "modifies" existing clothing to come up
with something that may be deemed "exotic" ?
Consider this,
  The basic clothing could be the sari + blouse
  The Gagra choli was a derivative of this...
  I am tempted to even generalize that the skirt or lainga as it is called
is a sari cut ......
The pant + shirt could be the other set of basic clothing,
 the Churidhar, salwar etc are but derivatives of the above.

Now does this mean that you have a wide world of choice ?
Well maybe many "aliases" of the same thing, but different ???

On a similar note, We "poor" guys could appear in Public in whatever state
of dress or undress as you may call it, But......
(I leave it at that) ( I can already feel the heat from the flames from the
fairer sex on the net, Sorry, couldn't resist it)

Srinath Sarang
Flames to /dev/null 

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From: raghavan@wk21.nas.nasa.gov (Venkatraman Raghavan)
Subject: Re: sic gloria transit mundi [Was Re: Curious observation.]
Organization: -
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:45:07 GMT

>>>   Suggesting that sari derives from the sanskrit 'sati'.
>>>   And the hindu garment part.
>>>   Any comments.
Icarus

>>Maybe it's combustible properties are of value in sati and bride
>>burning? Levi's don't burn that easily. 
>>George

>How come you get away with such comments, while I get flamed to
>my death, if I do so ?
>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma

Respect for old age, am I not right, Paul?
-Raghavan, V.
From: 9211141l@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: HELP !!! (e-mail addresses of IITK and IITB)
Date: 18 Aug 92 02:52:43 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia


Dear Netters,

Can anybody send me the e-mail address of IIT Kharagpur and IIT Bombay?

Thanks in advance

Raj
From: rkrithiv@SEDONA.INTEL.COM (Ramamurthy Krithivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Does Aug 14 mean anything to us Indians ?? ==NO==
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:08:54 GMT



From: waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi)
>India should start by treating it's own Muslims properly. Only then, the
>Pakistanis will stop seeing India as a Hindu daemon and may begin to
>think of it as a brother-in-history.

  Stopping the alleged/supposed bad treatement to muslims in India 
  is not going to stop Pakistanis misperception of India. 

  Nor is anything going to enlighten Pakistanis about the greatness 
  of India. 

  Pakistanis can have a better vision of India, only if they change 
  their poisoned HISTORY TEXT BOOKS. 

  Till then Pakistan is not going to see India as a "brother-in-history"
  nor a "sister-in-trignomentry".

  But suffice to mention, saare jehan se accha yeh hindustan hamaara. 
  We care the DAMN if any one else disagrees. 

Krithi. 

  We => Many/Most Indians. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Re: Prolific posters of the last fortnight....
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:27:53 GMT

In article <l8lm71INNs0m@phad.hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@phad.hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>In article <9208131338.AA16076@lambada.oit.unc.edu> Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@lambada.oit.unc.edu writes:
>> 
>> No no bard          [*]
>> Not subtly hard
>> B silent or not
>> Pretenders know not
>> Such poise
>> Less noise
>> Rhythm-less carriage
>> May make marriage
>> For verse
>> Be terse
>> Or else funny mister
>> 'least lack less lustre! :-)
>> 
>> I thank you for your support!
>
>You have the makings of a gargantuan geek,
>Even though your postings are utterly meek,
>and of reasoning flawed and weak.
>
>Every time you use your bird brains and beak,
>to post articles on this net with a foul reek,
>and that too in languages other than Greek,
>it inevitably causes me to go eeks.....
>
>From the most unlikely quarters you seek support,
>where there is none, you try to establish rapport,
>Makes me suspect if you are a wimp,
>Your place is not on the net, but on a extraterrestial blimp.
>
>
>Samit
>
>

Sit Ubu sit .. Good dog!

Sthan.
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From: madabusv@cse.fau.edu (Vasudhevan Madabushi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: HELP! (St.John's University students)
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:02:36 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton, FL, USA

In article <92228.174423KPS1@psuvm.psu.edu> KPS1@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>Hi,
>    Can someone tell me the E.Mail address of St.John's University. I'm looking
> for a friend of mine who is in the Business Management dept. Thanks.
>
>                                                               Sandeep
There is a good e-mail address search system at univ. of colorado.

All you need to do is telnet  bruno.cs.colorado.edu

at the login:  (type)  netfind

you will go into a self-explanatory menu and I am pretty sure it will help
in finding your friends address!

Good luck
Vasudhevan Madabushi
From: bhimani@usc.edu (Minaz Bhimani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Cultural Program
Date: 16 Aug 1992 11:19:19 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Hi,

I have put this posting in soc.religion.islam, but have
not had any constructive responses as yet, and was
wondering if someone on SCI may have any ideas on
this::

We are having a small banquet and I have to present
an item that will depict some aspect of the Islamic
culture/society in the world. 

I need some ideas for this - real soon!!

The only thing that could come to my mind
was having an exhibition of Muslim weddings
in differrent parts of the world like among
Russian Muslims, Chinese Muslims, Afghani's,
etc.

But thats all that i can think of, so if any
of u guys have any ideas, please let me know.
I would like to stage an item that'll involve
at least 8-10 people form the group that i am
involved with.

So please help me!

Send mail directly to 
bhimani@aludra.usc.edu

Thanks!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Call ANYONE in "desh" at $ 1.23 using Sprint
From: ankolamb@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Guess Who ?)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 23:50:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Cincinnati

Keywords:India, $ 1.23, Anyone, Any number, SPrint 


Hello, SCIians,

Just thought you guys would be interested in this. In a recent issue
(last week) of INDIA ABROAD, Sprint had an advertisement for
their new Call India plan. This is how it works:

Sprint World program lets you call anyone in India, anywhere in India,
for one low rate. You can make as many calls as you want, to as many 
different people you want, unlike MCI's F&F which allows only one 
international number.

Like MCI or AT&T there is a montly charge of $3.00, but each minute costs
JUST $ 1.23 per minute, no matter how many minutes you talk, no matter how
many numbers you call. This low-rate is available during Sprint World's
calling hours (I am not sure, but I think the calling hours are
Monday thro Friday 5 p.m to 8 a.m. , 24hrs on weekends).
Note: This low rate is not yet available on calling cards.

Now you can call home more often and at a cheaper rate!! Happy calling!
Before you start, you will have to switch to Sprint...their 800 number is
800-347-3633.

Now, ths standard disclaimer:
I am not affiliated to Sprint nor do I gain anything by this posting. And
all opinions are mine and mine only. 

-Manish

PS:  AT&T...Its just not worth it!!!!!

--------
 Manishkumar Ankola			- mankola@thor.ece.uc.edu
 Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engg.   - mankola@uceng.uc.edu
 University of Cincinnati		- ankolamb@ucunix.san.uc.edu
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