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From: sasjcm@cicadas.unx.sas.com (James McNealy)
Subject: Re: Freshwater Fighting Fish
    <4997@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> <1992Apr8.141214.6356@ncsu.edu>
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:20:38 GMT
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In article <1992Apr8.141214.6356@ncsu.edu>, plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
|Have we forgotten the noble carp?  Probably not a winner in the 
|per-pound catagory, but when average size can exceed 10#, these 
|fresh water bonefish can put up a scrap on light tackle.
|
|I was reminded of the carp last night because my fishing partner caught 
|a 14# carp while bass fishing by twitching a jointed rapala 
|on the surface.  I have caught carp on dough before, but have never 
|heard of them hitting lures before, has anyone else? 
|
|I am reasonably sure that the carp was not snagged, the struck at the 
|lure on the surface and was hooked inside the mouth.  My partner says 
|he had several other hits (by what he now beleives to have been carp) 
|while fishing in the same vacinity.  One of them stripped some drag 
|but got off.  It seems like they are intentionally attacking a 5inch 
|jointed minnow plug???????
|
|
|	-Pat.
|
|

In the pond here there are alot of *big* carp. People will feed them
by throwing pieces of cracker on the water. I've never seen anything
like it. At times it looks like a feeding frenzy. And by then the bream
are in the act, as well.
And I though carp were bottom feeders!
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From: plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Freshwater Fighting Fish
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:38:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <picou.702568503@trojan>, picou@convex.com (Michael Picou) writes:
|> #5  Catfish.  Slow waiting, but when ya' hook a good one it's worth the wait.

Wow, are you talking about channel cats or bullheads?  I have never 
caught a LARGE catfish, but I still remember the battle I had with 
a 9#er on light spinning tackle and 8# test.  I would have to say 
he compared with the 16# fresh water striper I caught two weeks ago.

Either you have been catching sick catfish, or I have been catching 
sick bass.  If the second is true, can I come over for some bass fishing?

-Pat.
From: tomg@hpcvlx.cv.hp.com (Thomas J. Gilg)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:56:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Droppers, fly fishing, and the way to do it
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
Newsgroups: alt.fishing


> I made the original post on fishing droppers via the "chain rule."
> Someone else suggested 2" long T intersections instead. I ask 
> "why bother?" What's the difference to the fish between 2" off the
> leader and 0"? The chain method works as well, is less likely to 
> tangle, and is quicker to rig.

My point wasn't to bash chaining; rather to defend droppers as working
fine also if done properly.   I also believe there are valid reasons for
preferring chaining, leader droppers, and eye droppers for given situations.

Chaining is clearly the least prone to tangle, and I believe a better choice
for traditional nymphing techniques with larger flies, especially if the
hit/take is broadside.   My experience with lake fishing however, especially
with Atlantic Salmon, is that the take comes from behind.   If the fly is
"inline", it is often deflected away.   With a dropper, there is some slack
for the fly to be inhaled.   There are also some popular nymphing techniques
which use a weighted nymph at the point, and a very small nymph as the
dropper.   If done inline, I suspect the small nymph hook would straighten
out, and certainly be difficult to inhale.   As for eye droppers, Jack
Dennis gave several reasons why eye droppers were better.

It's part religion, part best-match for local waters, and part what we were
taught first.   I really think we need to discuss Viking -vs- Sproat hook
bends next :-)

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com

Fishing reports:

Last Week: Hit the Siletz river for Steelhead.   Spotted a surprising number
of Steelhead in the river under *heavy* rains after a long dry spell.   When
I reached for my fly rod and flies, I realized I had left my good flies at
home.  Having spotted 5 Steelhead holding in some riffles, I was quick to
search my truck and locate some workable flies.  Crouching down and being
quiet, I managed to work up on the fish, and after ~20 minutes of careful
casting, I was into a bright steelhead.   I nearly had her beached without
a fight before she exploded with long runs and jumps.   It took awhile,
but I finally beached and then released a beautiful 30"+ native hen - rare
fish anymore.   I spent the rest of the day wandering around - caught
many sea-run cutthroats and trout also.

This week: Siletz again.  My friend Gene hooked into another native
steelhead that was in the 28-31" class before it snapped his line.
Then it rained like hell, so we left.

Following day: hit a Willamette valley river for some spectactular
fishing for wild rainbows and cutthroats.   It was a spring creek like
fishery, and by about 1:00pm, these little itsy-bitsy mayflies and
midges started popping off.   I threw on a #20, but it was way too large!
Finally me and Deke were putting on #22 and #24 type flies - mostly
CDC emergers, and catching a few fish now and then.   Irritating !!!
Working some nymphs deeper, I managed several 14-17" rainbows that ripped
hard on my #2 rod.    So much water, so little time.

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From: night@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Mark W Nightingale)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Oregon/Washington fishing trouble??
Keywords: Population
Date: 11 Apr 92 03:30:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

(Bruce Johnson) writes:
>dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU writes:
>>Yeah, I have to agree...population growth is the root of all the problems.
>
>I believe the loss of habitat is the problem.  Does anyone know how long it
>took for the effects of the construction of the Bonneville dam to be completely
>felt?  Think about it.


Yes, but WHY DID THEY BUILD BONNEVILLE DAM? ....Population growth, of course.
It all comes down to population growth.


Mark Nightingale
From: miller@lsil.com (Lance Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: Freshwater Fighting Fish
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:55:05 GMT
Reply-To: miller@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

Well I like using the pound-for-pound method for classifying freshwater fighting fish. So I would have to say a 3 pound small-mouth I caught last year was the fightenest fish I ever caught.  But alot can be said for Delta stripers on the San Joaquin River.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 12:29:37 EDT
From: Adam Broughton <AVB100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject:    tangled mess

      I just bought a new shimmono reel last year and have had nothing but
trouble from it since.   The reel runs smoothly but it constantly tangles the
line. The most common scenario is that the line gets wrapped around the releasee
button on the front of the spool rather than on the spool itself.  this usually
results in a very large tangle.  Any suggestions would be apreciated.

                                                      -AVB
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From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: re : fly lines
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:48:16 GMT

    Last year I did a lot of experimenting with lines, and I 
came up with one combination that worked real well for what
I needed. I was fishing the mouths of tidal rivers with sand
eel patterns, fishing them across & down, with the fish us-
ually taking on the swing. I initially tried this fishing
with a Sci-Anglers Ultra sink tip #8, but I didn't like it
much because the floating section was hard to control in the
fast moving rip, plus the surf coming in tended to mess it up,
plus I didn't get a good 'feel' of the fly in its path. So
I took an old Cortland intermediate line (the ice blue one),
and cut the head off, just leaving a running line. Then I cut
the head off a Wet Cell III #9 sinking line and spliced it to
the intermediate running line. In effect what I got was kind
of like a 25' sink tip but instead of a F/S designation it was
an I/S. I found the intermediate running line, staying in and
just under the surface, less of a problem in the rip, it gave me
a more solid feel for the fly than the standard sink tip, and
didn't get as screwed up by the surf. Because the intermediate
line doesn't sink all that far it was still pretty good for
mending too. I like this combination better than a full sinker
(though I use one of those at higher tides) because it has a 
lighter feel during the swing, the I line seems less prone
to tangles than the S, and you don't have to kill yourself on
mends & pickups.

                                                jc
Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:43:10 -0400 
From: Christopher Kalevi Nuuja <cn09+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 2 piece rod(s)

> Then I usually get some large fish to take
my bait as I am trying to retrieve the other half of my rod.

Wow, maybe I should try this more often.  Seriously, my favorite rod since
I was a child is a two piece fiberglass rod my Dad bought in the 50's.
I have never had any of the problems mentioned so far with it (and yes,
I have caught fish with it).

chris
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From: plh@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: spawning bass fishing
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:09:12 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.195030.28186@bnr.ca>, Tim Dudley writes:
|> I've often wondered about this - what's the general opinion out there 
|> about fishing for bass during spawning season?  I have to admit to having
|> done it one season, had great fishing, released everything, but felt a 
|> little uncomfortable.  Does this wreck the fisheries?  Prevent the released 
|> bass from spawning?  Can I do it this year with a clear conscience (assuming
|> the season's open...)?
|> 

IMnsHO...
I've always felt that one can catch a bass who is guarding a bed and 
release it immediatly without endangering the bed.  However, I feel that 
if a bass is caught repeatedly (twice in the same afternoon say) there 
is a good chance that the bed will be abandoned.

I feel bad if I catch a male fish from a nest, he must guard the eggs 
from bluegill sometimes up to 10days if the water is cool.  He does 
not eat or leave his post and will hang around and guard the fry for 
a few days after they hatch.   Seems like catching him would add 
stress to an already maximally stressed fish.  Now, catching a female is 
a different story.  They deposit their eggs in a bed, maybe hang around for 
a day or two, then visit one or two more beds.   Afterwards, they head 
for deeper water and rest (male chauvenist remark deleted). 

I've read (was it in Fishing Facts?) that an experimental program was 
set up in FL.  Spawning beds were placed off-limits in sections of a 
lake.  Game and fish studied the population composition (via shocking)
of the lake and determined that the ban had no impact on the fish 
population.  The off-limits rule has recently been discontinued.
Personally, I still can't justify intentionally catching fish from 
beds (ie. casting into visable beds with lizards or tube-baits).
I am really glad for slot limits at this time of the year. 

On my favorite little lake last year a fleet of five assholes 
driving little pontoon boats arrived.  They brought a video 
camera and staged a  
pretend bass tournament.  They decimated the spawning fish, and dragged 
their catches around the lake all day on stringers then dragged the 
fish to the put-in point and video-taped themselves handling the fish 
which they held out of the water for inordinately long periods. 
Many of the fish were large females obviously full of eggs.  They then 
practiced conservation by dumping these dying fish back into the 
lake.  I am glad that my pistol was in my truck and not in my 
boat as I was feeling irresponsilbe at the time.  I felt so sick 
(and still do just thinking about it) that I nearly gave up fishing 
entirely.  I did not fish that lake again on a weekend until 
post spawn.  Oops, I seem to be rambling again...

	-Pat.
From: tom@oracorp.com (Tom)
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
Subject: Re: LAMPREY EELS
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:56:36 GMT
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York

In article <rq92lINN44s@agate.berkeley.edu> raman@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;LL84) writes:
>
> 
>I have been told that I can find Lamprey eels in the Russian River near
>Guerneville.  I was wondering if anybody knows if this true, and exactly
>where I might find them.  Also, does anybody know how I would feed them in
>order to keep them alive for a few weeks?
>Now, assuming someone knows where I can find Lampreys, do you know how
>to catch them?


I assume your intentions are noble?  I am from an area that is infested
with sea lampreys (Finger Lakes/Lake Ontario in NYS) and I can tell you
it is definitely a species you do NOT want accidentally released into
uninfested waters.

-- Tom
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From: sohrab@seas.gwu.edu
Subject: D.C area where to fish?
Originator: sohrab@seas.gwu.edu
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:31:10 GMT


Hello:

    I am looking for suggestions for deepsea fishing in VA Beach.
There will be about 5 to 8 people in out party and we are looking for
private charte sort of thing.  If you know of some places that are
priced O.K. send me their name and/or number via email.

Thank you in advance.


Sohrab@seas.gwu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: dixon@spot.Colorado.EDU (Life is real?)
Subject: Endangered River Listing
Followup-To: alt.fishing
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:02:22 GMT

The following is being posted by ME (Brian Dixon), not Doug Schaad
of Seattle...I thank him for this valuable information and hope the
readers will take these facts into account when they choose where
and how, i.e. catch & release -vs- keep, they fish.

Brian Dixon
dixon@spot.colorado.edu

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The following is extracted from an article by Larry Lange in the Seattle
Post-Intelligencer, 8 April 92.  All spelling and grammatical errors are
mine, not his.

"The Columbia and Snake rivers, their salmon runs endangered and their
water increasingly sought for farming and development, are the most
endangered rivers in the United States, a major conservation group will
declare today.

American Rivers, a Washington, D.C.-based conservation organization, has
placed the two rivers at the top of its 'most-endangered' list, ahead of
the Florida Everglades, California's American River and the Colorado and
Mississippi Rivers.

The organization also placed the Elwha River on the Olympic Peninsula on
its list of 'threatened' streams because of the loss of large salmon runs
to two hydroelectric dams.

The Columbia-Snake system, which once produced 16 million wild adult
Pacific salmon each year, now supports about 2 million hatchery-bred fish
and about 300,000 wild fish.

The complete list of endangered rivers also includes the Alsek and
Tatshenshini River systems in Alaska and British Columbia; Quebec's Great
Whale River; the Penobscot River in Maine; the Beaverkill and Willowemoc
rivers in New York state; and the Blackfoot river in Montana.

Besides the Elwhat, American Rivers listed 13 other rivers as
'threatened':  Klamath and Illinois in Oregon; Clavery in California;
Animas and Gunnison in Colorado; the entire stretch of the Ohio River;
Ouachita in Arkansas and Louisiana; New River in North Carolina; Passaic
in New Jersey; Rio Grande in Mexico and Texas; Rio Conchos in Mexico;
Savannah in Georgia; Susquehanna in Pennsylvania; Verde in Arizona and
Virgin in Utah, Arizona and Nevada."

Just thought you might be interested.

Doug
schaad@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: paul@sequent.com
Subject: Re: Lake Trout Info           
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 17:34:02 GMT


 The way I do Lake Trout is to spot them with my fish finder,
usually in 90  to 150 feet of water and on the bottom
then drop a buoy made of fishing line with a 3oz or so weight 
at one end and an "I" shaped piece of styrofoam on the other 
end. The line is wrapped around the styrofoam and when you 
drop the buoy it pays out until the weight reaches the bottom. 
  This marks the fish and keeps me from
drifting away, which incidentally helps keep my line
perpendicular, which is important to the working of the lure.
  In the lake I fish, in central Oregon, they are usually on the
bottom. I use the medium size "Nordic" jigs, jigging just off the
bottom so the lure doesn't hit on the down stroke. It's important 
to use the correct technique when jigging:
  Pull up sharply on the jig, from water level to about 10
o'clock then let the jig fall with the line slack but not too
slack, fish usually strike on the falling jig. Be ready to set
the hook immediately on the slightest evidence of a hit!
  10 to 15 lb. monofilament works well, the rod should be salmon/
steelhead size, heavier than a trout rod for sure, these babies
can run 30+ pounds and the lure is heavy (2-4oz.). The biggest
problem with this kind of fishing is keeping the boat steady when
the wind blows since the water is too deep to anchor in. I run
the motor to keep it in position when it is breezy.
  It sure is exciting to hook into a big lake trout in that much
water, the fight can last 15 to 20 minutes, sometimes it feels
like you have just hooked a log before the fish realizes what has
happened.


Good Luck,
paul bourgeois
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: mike.federchuk@rose.uucp (mike federchuk)
Subject: Lake Trout Info
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 10:57:56 GMT
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Date Entered: 04-05-92 12:43

R(|In article <1992Apr02.211120.3953@bmerh2.bnr.ca>, barre@bnr.ca (Phil Barre)
wri:
R(||>      I have recently purchased some land on a smallish lake
R(||> in western Quebec. This lake was at one time stocked with lake
R(||> trout and I was told still contains a healthy population with
R(||> a minimum amount of fishing pressure. Several tours with my
R(||> LCD early last fall (water still fairly warm) indicated numerous
R(||> marks at 40 - 90 foot depths over the deepest holes of 80-130
R(||> feet. As a smallmouth/pike/walleye fisherman I assume these marks
R(||> are mostly trout. Is this assumption correct? I'm asking the net
R(||> in it's infinite wisdom for general data on spawning habits,
R(||> preferred depths/temperature levels, feeding habits and bait
R(||> presentations for these fish. Some local old timers have hinted
R(||> at 30+ pound catches being not that uncommon. We shall see...
R(||>
R(|--

Phil,

Have you called the Ministry of Natural Resources (provincial level)?  If
Ontario has one, then Quebec must have an equivalent too.  If not, try
contacting the Federal Minister of Natural Resources.  Both branches of the
government should have the information you need.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Mike Federchuk
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Mike.Federchuk@rose.uucp or
Mike.Federchuk%rose@lsuc.on.ca

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From: K.C.Wong
Subject: Panfish GIFs
Followup-To: alt.fishing
Keywords: Sunfish, color GIFs, pictures
Reply-To: kcwong@kodak.com
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 12:27:10 GMT

Don't know a sun fish from another when you go pan fishing? Well there'll
be a bunch of GIF binary pictures of Bluegill, Pumpkinseeds, Redear, Longear,
Greensun, Redbreast, Warmouth and Crappie (strawberry bass) posted to 
alt.binaries.pictures.misc.

Sorry **no** ftp sites.

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From: dsmith@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (David R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Spring Chinook Technique of the Week
Organization: HPLabs, Palo Alto CA
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 23:18:06 GMT

In article <5008@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> terryt@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Terry tURner) writes:
>	For those of you that fish for chinook, a method that has been 
>	successful and is gaining popularity is to troll or back troll a
>	large flatfish or kwikfish wrapped with a herring or anchovie fillet
>	underneath.  The fillet is wrapped with the flesh side out and the 
>	lure action combined with bait can be very effective at times 
>	particularly when back trolled into a known holding area.

That's a popular method for stripers, too.  (At least, it's popular on the
Sacramento and Feather rivers.)

-- 
David R. Smith, HP Labs | "How would *you* like a job where, if you make
dsmith@hpl.hp.com       | a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000
(415) 857-7898          | people boo?" -- former hockey goalie Jacques Plante
Newsgroups: alt.fishing
From: K.C. Wong
Subject: Re: Freshwater Fighting Fish
Reply-To: kcwong@ssd.kodak.com
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 12:53:59 GMT

In article 22338@sdc.com, kenk@sdc.com (Ken Konecki) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.160756.21917@cbnews.cb.att.com> mak@cbnews.cb.att.com (mark.a.kelly) writes:
>>2) No. Pike/Muskie - as tough to get on the hook as to keep on the hook.
>
>Muskie are tough, but I've never had a problem catching or landing Northern, 
>especially up in Wisconsin.  Last year, my brother in law had a whale of a
>time trying to land a dogfish of all things.  Said it was the best fighter
>he's landed in 5 years.

Same here... while fishing in a bayou in Southern Louisiana a group of us
hooked half a dozen dogfish (bowfin) and only landed one! Don't feel like much
in the beginning, but when the fish saw us they just took off along the weedy
bank. These fish are labyrinth fish -- they have the ability to breath air
like a saltwater tarpon, that's why they fight so hard.

There is a very similar labyrinth fish (Snake Head) in S.E. Asia I used to fish.
It fights like a bowfin and jumps like a smallmouth bass, big ones will eat
little water birds.

I would like to hear the same thread from international anglers... especially
  Queensland Australia's paramandi (sp?). 

>
>Cheers,
>    -Ken K
>-- 
>Ken Konecki
>e-mail:kenk@sdc.com    -or-    ...!uunet!uupsi2!sdc!kenk
>"The amount of education you have determines your loot in life"


K.C.Wong
kcwong@ssd.kodak.com

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