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From: nichols@spss.com (David Nichols)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Excessive Celebration Penalty
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:06:14 GMT
Organization: SPSS Inc.

In article <1992Nov16.143609.14103@lgc.com> mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes:
>In article <gf1Q5tO00iV384SUkn@andrew.cmu.edu> wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu (William Karamo Motley) writes:
>>Who saw that Notre Dame game today?  I think that the NCAA should either
>>be much, much more lenient when they call that excessive celebration
>>penalty, or get rid of that call completely.  When you win in the type
>>of manner Notre Dame did today, you have every right to go beserk and
>>act bananas.  For Christ's sake, they're college kids.  Even pros
>>celebrate.  Remember when the Colts beat the Dolphins this year?  
>>
>>Will
>
>An absolutely ludicrous call by the refs.  It almost seemed like they
>wanted to give Penn State the advantage.  After Paterno complained in 
>the first quarter, did they call any other penalties on PSU?  Were there
>any holding calls?
>
>
>-- 
>Matthew B. Shostak              Landmark/Zycor
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>"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"


Oh please. That penalty was more than deserved. It took them several
minutes to clear the field. I was waiting for them to call a penalty
after the TD celebration, which they easily could have done. That would
have made the 2 point conversion or PAT from the 18. There is no team
with less reason to complain about officiating than Notre Dame.

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Subject: Re: Proof of What drives I-A football (was Iowa vs BY
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:16:15 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
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In article <1992Nov18.180533.27592@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>There have got to be ten teams which will have better records than this and
>will stay at home. The only reason for this, of course, is the added notoriety
>which a team like Iowa brings from its name, and the increase in revenue which
>is likely to be generated.
>
>There have been a lot of cracks made about the Blockbuster Bowl choosing Penn
>St. before the start of the season.  It seems to me that if the bowls are only
>interensted in making money by putting revenue-generating teams together in
>bowl games regardless of their mediocre records all the bowls might as well
>pick thier matchups before the season starts; after all, it seems that is the
>most important criteria for choosing teams to play.
>
>Further proof of the prostitutionalization of college football.
>
Agreed, but it even goes farther than that:
And talk about DivIAA "home field" in the playoffs.  Didn't you
tell me that home field is determined by attendance?  I also
heard that 33 DivIAA teams had to "bid" to get the playoffs in
their home town.

As for the Bowls....look at their names.  It just isn't the 
Orange, Gator, etc.  The SunBowl even lost its whole name.
Teams want in the Rose and Orange for the payout alone.
I'm waiting for when businesses take over college athletics.
IBM Wolverines(Go Blue), All-State Hurricanes(your in good
hands after an accident), Emery Wildcats(when it has to
get to Kentucky fast), Budweiser Boilermakers(what a drink), 
MinuteMaid Orangemen, etc etc etc.  Even USAToday(Tues 11-17-92,
page 9c) writes an article about it.

As for Iowa, name the 10 teams with a better record with a
comparable schedule.  I'll agree they probably don't deserve
to go.  But who does?
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From: ching@wpi.WPI.EDU (Jason R Heminger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: PAC-10 IS WEIRD
Date: 21 Nov 1992 23:53:17 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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I'm tired of hearing how the pac-10 is so weird.  Why hasn't the "big" 10 had
any teams this year that haven't played like crap.  I mean, all of a sudden,
Michigan is playing like a bunch of high schoolers.
From: elliott@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (Elliott E. Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cougar Bowl Hopes?
Date: 22 Nov 92 07:05:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov22.070501.20861
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Organization: University of Oregon Computer and Information Sciences Dept.


>They did think that it was unlikely that WSU could fall through the
>cracks and not get a bowl invitation.  Why does this make me nervous?
>
>I guess the bowls will be officially announced Dec 6, but many will
>be known before then, although next week's games could affect the
>teams available to the coalition.
>--
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>The fact that you're paranoid doesn't prove they're *not* out to get you.

Hey, WSU should go to a bowl after todays thrashing.  I was listening to
the UO game today and a rep from the Independence Bowl was there and they
said that they were still considering us!!!!!  If so maybe six pacteners
will go.  What happened between usc/UCLA today?  If UCLA wins isn't their
record 6-5 too?

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Rutgers/Independence Bowl/UVa question
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:21:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.021237.31913@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> tshannon@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Timothy J. Shannon) writes:
>From article <1992Nov16.201459.15552@walter.bellcore.com>, by kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge):
>> With Rutgers' (6-4) win over WVU this past weekend and their matchup this
>> coming weekend against Temple (1-9), they have a great shot a 7-4 record
>> and a possible Independence Bowl bid.
>> 
>> Does anyone know the other teams being considered for the Independence Bowl 
>> as well?  
>
>	I would say one of the other Big Ten teams.  Either 
>Iowa, Wisconsin, or maybe even Illinois could sneak in if they
>have teh 6 wins.

	Well, since Wake Forest accepted half of the Independence Bowl
	either late yesterday or this morning, then maybe the Big Ten
	will have to hope that Rutgers loses to Temple.  Highly unlikely,
	I'd say...

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From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: hey cliff...
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:45:52 GMT

Mike Molloy (mmaq+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: 
: > Hey Cliff, what's the name of that damn Miami bird mascot?
: 
: 
: > - goober (racking my brain trying to figure it out) smith
: 
: 
: The bird's name is Sebastian the Ibis.  According to legend,
: the ibis is the last bird to leave it's nest when a hurricane hits.

And then at this time the pink bunny comes rolling across you
screen, beating his bass drum:

   "Still biting..."
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From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: HAWKEYE BOWL CHANCES
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:19:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: pegasus.steph.722125140
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL

In <9846@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> gunner1+@pitt.edu (Jayant Rajgopal) writes:

>In article <steph.722070134@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu> steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
>>In <1992Nov18.035208.24658@netcom.com> alc@netcom.com (Chris Stassen) writes:
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>Your ratings may be impartial, but they may be incorrect.  Air Force doesn't
>>have a great team, but neither does Iowa.  I don't think Air Force is *much*
>>worse than the Hawkeyes.  I also doubt Iowa would muster a .500 record against
>>NC, BC, Texas, WSU, SDSU, and Hawaii.  Though they wouldn't lose them all,
>>either.
>>

>So, what's your point ? Chris said basically the same thing;
>that Iowa was probably not much better or much worse than these
>other teams, and if several of them were going bowling then
>the Hawkeyes going to a bowl shouldn't be such a "travesty".
>As it stands, it looks like Iowa will go to either the
>Copper or the Holiday bowl, as long as they beat the Gophers
>in their last game, which is certainly not something I'd
>take for granted...

The only part of Chris's post that bothered me was the assertion that
Air Force was *much* worse than Iowa.  Heck, Northwestern isn't *much*
worse. :->

>At any rate, football wise, this year has been a major league bummer for the
>Big 10 -- hey, basketball season is just around the corner, so
>things *have* to get better !

One would hope -- though the Big 10 may get five bowl bids.  If the basketball
season is like the football season, that's about how many NCAA bids they'll
get, too.

-- 
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  "It is considered good to look wise, especially when not 
   overburdened with information" -- J. Golden Kimball
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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Stanford Bowl-bound
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:33:28 GMT

Stanford has had a good first year under Bill Walsh and will
obviously go to a bowl.  If the beat Cal this weekend (very
likely), they would end up 8 - 3, with loses to Washington, 
Arizona, and Texas A&M (all very good teams), and probably 
be ranked in the top 12 (is that stretching it?).  I read a 
post that suggested that they might get an invite from the 
Orange Bowl ... is that really possible?  What is the most
likely bowl match-up for them?

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From: atchison@dorothy.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison)
Subject: Re: no respect for tOSU
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:57:44 GMT

In article <1992Nov24.050228.4819@netcom.com> shyam@netcom.com (Shyam K. Subramanyan) writes:
>In article <1992Nov23.182000.10323@cis.ohio-state.edu> brown-d@tun.cis.ohio-state.edu (david wayne brown) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov23.132620.9158@cis.ohio-state.edu> atchison@kingkong.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:
>>>Here's hoping our 45-10 blowout of Alabama (64-6 if Florida gets in) on New
>>>Year's Day will vault us all the way to 11th!  Sheesh!
>>>Ranked 8 spots below a team that we're (right now) at least as good as?!?

>>I don't think well blow out Bama by that Much, but we will certainly kick the
>>Gators all the way back to Gainesville.
> Mark Atchison, a.k.a. <atchison@cis.ohio-state.edu>; Graduate Student in the
>******************************************************************************

>Man, you would expect the big ten schools to shut up their mouth after their 
>poor performance this season. A tie with a over rated Michigan team, and the 
>fans from OSU are out as if they deserve the MNC. Any of the 12 SEC teams
>will beat OSU hands down (including LSU). Try watching games from outside
>big Ten.  That will be a reality check for you guys...
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Shyam Subramanyan                       shyam@netcom.com
>A damn proud UF (The only real University in Florida) Alumni
>God must be a Gator. He made the sky blue and the sun orange!

Well, now if attributions had been made more carefully, less of my text would
have been deleted, and you had read a little more carefully, you would have
known that what was written was a complaint about our new ranking relative to
Michigan.  I satirically suggested that it would take a huge blowout just to
move Ohio State to 11th place.  No one in their right mind, least of all me, 
beleives that Ohio State could blow either 'Bama or Florida out like this.

I do, however, continue to beleive that all the talk about how horrible the
Big 10 is a buch of hooey, and that Ohio State would certainly be very 
competetive with the Gators.  Now as for the statement that LSU would beat
Ohio State hands down, I'll just assume it was intended as a retaliatory woof.
It's much too ludicrous to be anything else...

Hoping to hear from you on January 2,
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From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Big 8 Bowl paranoia
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:12:13 GMT

In article <wilbanks.722574695@spot.Colorado.EDU> wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wendell Gee) writes:
>
>Geez, you'd think this Minne-pop fan would wake up and find a clue.

Maybe you should shave your head and stand outside with your head buried in
snow. That ought to cool you down a bit.

>Dylan Wilbanks, Classics major, AND NOW Environmental Conservation!

Njan
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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Miami - Syracuse
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:00:29 GMT

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In <1992Nov22.013813.2363@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@mauchly.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:

| My heart just broke watching the end of the
| Syracuse - Miami game ... they were just
| 4 yards short of the winning TD.  People
| always say that the great teams always find
| a way to win, but Miami has been getting
| way too luck this season.

 Miami would have blocked the extra-point and ran it back for the win. ;-)
 It's just destiny this year for Miami to win it's fifth NC in ten years.

 Three NC's in five years, only the 1949 ND team did that.  But, no one
 has ever won 5 NC in ten years.



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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Penn State Should Withdraw
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:41:27 GMT

 Gregory Sroka writes:

>Yes! A voice of reason. There are too many posts saying things like;
>ND refused to play FSU at home because ..., or ND doesn't want the
>Orange Bowl because ..., ND this, ND that.  It makes me think I'm
>reading a supermarket tabloid! If you're gonna post a rumor, at least
>give us the source, if you want to be taken seriously. 

 Greg - why did Notre Dame refuse to play FSU at FSU ?

>A bowl bid was declined by ND during the Faust era. I think it was
>because invites were out while ND had a 6-3 record, but they felt
>they didn't deserve it unless they won the last two games against
>Penn State (I think) and USC. I believe this was the infamous USC
>non-TD I mentioned earlier. I don't remember the PSU result, so
>they finished either 6-5 or 7-4 and stayed home. I think this was
>the 82-83 season. 

 I could be wrong but didn't ND go to the Liberty Bowl in 1983 under 
 Faust ? 
 I just remember that one year I felt very sorry for East Carolina
 because after being down for a long time they had a good season with
 an 8-3 record and weren't invited to a bowl. The three losses were to
 the three Florida teams (FSU,Miami,Florida - NOT Florida A&M etc.).
 I think whatever year it was that ND went with a 6-5 record.
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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: FSU info
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:05:23 GMT

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In <11385@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> poore@dirac.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore) writes:

|  Another poster mentioned that maybe
| ticket allotments were a factor, and that maybe ND could secure more tix
| in Orlando. FSU doesn't have a rigid ticket policy for visitors. This
| season, UF requested and was given 10,500 tix, Maryland requested and
| was given 1,500. So, I doubt this was a factor, since I have a difficult
| time seeing how ND (or any team) could possibly be upset about being
| granted 10000 visitor tickets.

When FSU goes to Notre Dame,  FSU will only get 5,000 tix.  Notre Dame
doesn't give any team more than 5,000 tix.  I have been working to get
a ticket to the FSU game at ND.
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: no respect for tOSU
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:09:40 EST
Summary: Mo knows excuses
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In article <1992Nov23.132620.9158@cis.ohio-state.edu>, atchison@kingkong.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark Atchison) writes:
> What's wrong with this picture?????
> 
> Before: Michigan   6th
> 	Ohio State 17th
> 
> During: Ohio State 13
> 	Michigan   13, but it was a serious butt-kicking, and each and every
> 		       Blue player knows he was whupped.
> 
> After:  Michigan   7th
> 	Ohio State 15th

	Yet Another example of voters merely looking at the score as it comes
over the wires :\.
	But I have confidence that UM will lose Jan 1st and OSU will win.  (Of
course the pollsters will probably make Michigan 10 and OSU 11 :(...)

> Here's hoping our 45-10 blowout of Alabama (64-6 if Florida gets in) on New
> Year's Day will vault us all the way to 11th!  Sheesh!
> Ranked 8 spots below a team that we're (right now) at least as good as?!?

	Mo knows ties don't count for AP/USA voters.

> And while I'm at it, how about the classy whine-job by Moeller in the 
> postgame?
> Crying about the wet field?  Didn't we play on the same one?  Moaning about
> crowd noise (which was awesome -- the loudest I've heard in the last 40 or so
> games in the 'shoe)?  Sure it was loud, but you come out looking pretty silly
> when your quarterback tells the press that it wasn't a factor.

	Mo has no class.  People who want to dump Cooper (I'm certainly one of
them :) should look at what we might get if we're not careful.

> How 'bout this Mo:  Ohio State played a pretty damn good football game.  They
> whipped your offense.  271 yards.  Total.  Over 200 yards below your average.
> They moved the ball against your defense.  360+ yards.  They wanted it more.
> 
> Any coach with class would have at least used the cliches "give them some
> credit", or "they were a pretty good football team today".  No, no... all you
> can do is whine about slippery grass?  Come on Mo, a little respect is due!

	One wonders what he'll complain about next year after OSU passes for
400 yards :).
	"The sun got in our eyes".
:D

Brett
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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Best looking cheerleaders in college
Date: 23 Nov 1992 22:35:42 GMT
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In <1ergjnINNfvs@menudo.uh.edu> HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu writes:

> 
>   The Rice band was chased off the field (by Aggies) another time following 
> the "Revellie incident."  I reckon we're all pretty much even so far as that
> goes.

  I made a mistake here, as someone pointed out to me.  The MOB was not chased
from the field, just kept "prisoner" in their own stadium for a while until
some buses were backed right up to an exit, whereupon they did.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
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Subject: Re: Best looking cheerleaders in college
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Date: 23 Nov 92 23:30:07 GMT
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>>
>>2.  In 1981 at the A&M-Rice game, the Aggie Band became confused in the 
>>middle of the show.  Half of the famous 'flying T' wound up at the wrong
>>end of the field while the rest of the band looked like the not-so-famous
>>'flying gamma'.  Shortly thereafter, the entire band left the field without
>>even finishing the show.  When a football team leaves the field without
>>finishing the game, it is called a forfeit.  I don't know how a band could
>>call that a victory.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Larry Anglin
>>Engineering Manager
>>National Instruments 
>
>
>OK you flaming T-sip, lets tell the whole story now. I believe you know that
>the disruption in the Aggie band was caused by the usually childish escapades
>of the Rice Student section. Seems they blew whistles and shot cap guns in an
>attempt to disrupt the fine precision of the FIGHTIN' TEXAS AGGIE BAND, which
>uses such whistles to direct their precise moves and turns. Since your band is 
>too wimpy to try such maneuvers, maybe you wouldn't know these things.:)
>
>You've marched at 2 victories over the Aggies at Kyle? Damn you must be old !!
>:) :) :)

Better give him some dentures!  ;-)

Besides, after the "T" is formed, the band ALWAYS leaves the field without
finishing that song.

cmuck
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: F S U!
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:57:27 GMT

In article <ASH.92Nov17092049@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan  
Harder) writes:

> Like a lot of other teams, FSU is only a couple of mistakes away from
> being undefeated.

A couple?  Try one.

> It's tough to be MNC when you have a loss and some other team doesn't.

No disagreement here!

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