HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: tony_wosnjuk@novell.com
Subject: Korn Shell (Is there one for NeXT)
Organization: Novell, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:18:52 GMT


Is there a korn shell for NeXT?

I'm trying to write some scripts which allows me to perform arithmetic in  
different bases.  In Korn shell I can declare a variable

		integer var=base#number

If there is no Korn shell for NeXT, is there a way I can do this in normal  
csh, sh or jsh. These are the only shells I found in the /bin directory.

Thanks.

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From: wanguhnk@nextnet.csus.edu (e. kaman wanguhm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: HELP with News
Date: 26 Sep 92 16:20:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: California State University Sacramento

I have C-News set up and running on my machine but do not seem to be
getting any news to go to my /usr/spool/news directory.  All the news
comes in through the modem to the /usr/spool/uucp directory structure
but nothing ever happens.  Well I get messages that we are short on
space.  I have 50 Meg on my hard disk and using an OD with 200 meg free
as the spool directory, this is symbolically linked to the
/usr/spool/news directory.

Any help pointers or fingers in my eyes welcome as I am getting pretty
desperate

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From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch)
Subject: Re: OD under 3.0
Organization: Demon Internet Services.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 10:31:23 GMT
Originator: paul@seer.demon.co.uk

In article <1actp1INN9km@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark  
Adler) writes:
> 
> I'll agree with "supposed to".  The OD works, but 3.0 Workspace doesn't
> seem to think that it's a removable media, and the Eject operation is  
not
> lit and does not function.  Nor does dropping the OD in the recycler.
> Nor does logging off.  In fact, the only time I tried logging off with
> the OD still mounted and all, the system froze.
> 
> The only thing that does work is to umount and disk -e as root.
> 
> I have also had problems ejecting CD's, but I haven't played enough with
> that to characterize the problems completely.

I get the Disk Workspace menu greyed out for floppies, CDs and ODs.  This  
is intermittent.  So far, loggin out has always ejected the devices, as  
has umount and disk -e.

A similar but unconnected problem with 3.0 is the DOS filesystem.   
Although you can now write to DOS floppies (a chnage from 2.2) and the  
dates are right (!!), I get a lot of complaints about long file names and  
'invalid arguments' when filenames include capitals.

Paul

If anyone can get 3.0 Librarian to work properly...
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From: billabs@nic.cerf.net (Bill Romanowski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Call for Volunteers
Summary: Sneeeeky!
Keywords: bounce volunteers
Date: 1 Oct 92 23:01:28 GMT
Organization: CERFnet

>In article <1992Oct1.022014.8445@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu  
>(Jess Anderson) writes:
>>
>> Which will do this with your message, namely receive it
>> and bounce it back with a badly malformed address.  *Often*!
>> Really often.
>
>Same here. I'm now up to 4 bounce messages.
>


I get it! This IS the Human Factors Test. NeXT users will retry bounced
mail 23.257 times more often than all other users combined! I think it
has something to do with the "I believe in Steve" factor. ;-)

bill romanowski
vp of email elasticity
prairie research
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From: fletcher@socrates.umd.edu (Charles Fletcher)
Subject: Re: Mac disks
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 12:28:15 GMT

In article <Bvo5rB.69K.2@cs.cmu.edu> anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:
>
>Anyone else having problems ejecting mac diskettes?

	No (not yet anyway). But while we are on the subject, what does
	the NeXT read on a Mac disk. It seems to only show the Data fork.
	This seems okay for reading a Mac file, but doesn't work when
	using the NeXT as an intermediary when copying files. Is there
	a way around this? (To be specific, we have some Mac files on 
	CD that we would like to copy from the CD to a Mac disk using
	a NeXT. Can this be done?)

	Charlie

>
>-anwar
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From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos)
Subject: Re: ROM boot command
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:04:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.163803.20641@dvorak.amd.com> rpomeroy@aunext3.amd.com writes:
>OK,
>
>Let's say I'm in the rom monitor ( i.e. the NeXT> prompt ).  I want to change  
>the boot parameter such that the device at SCSI address 4 is the default boot  
>device.  I have 4 devices on the bus.  
>
>	internal 100meg		SCSI 1
>	internal floppy		SCSI 7

Actually, the floppy is not a SCSI device.  SCSI address 7 corresponds to
the NeXT host adaptor's SCSI address.

>	cdrom drive		SCSI 2
>	external 400meg		SCSI 4  <--- boot from here!!!!
>
>Exactly what do I enter at the "boot command" prompt ?

SCSI disk devices are numbered sequentially, ordered by SCSI address.
So in your case,

sd0	- SCSI address 1 - internal 100M
sd1	- SCSI address 2 - CDROM
sd2	- SCSI address 4 - external 400M

The boot command would be

bsd(2,0,0)sdmach rootdev=sd2

You need to pass the rootdev=sd2 specificiation to have the kernel use
the disk you booted from (sd2) rather than sd0 as the root file
system.

For more information, see page 145 of the release 2.x "Network and
System Administration" manual.

louie

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From: rpruess@yoyo.weeg.uiowa.edu (Rex Pruess)
Subject: R3.0 calendar broken
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 14:54:01 GMT

I just realized my ~/calendar file has been ignored since upgrading to
NeXTSTEP Release 3.0.  Here's the relevant line from /etc/crontab.local:

          1 5 * * *  root /usr/bin/calendar -

I fiddled with this for a while & finally got it to work by replacing the
/usr/lib/calendar binary with an old version from NeXT2.1.

So, if you use a calendar file & depend on cron to do the work, beware.
It's not fun missing birthdays, wedding anniversaries, etc. :-)
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From: markm@wri.com
Subject: Stuffit for NeXT?
Reply-To: markm@wri.com
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:27:15 GMT



I have Opener3.0 and it does a great job opening Stuffit files, but it doesn't  
have the option to create them.  If anyone knows of a source code to CREATE  
stuffit files on my NeXT please let me know!

Thanks,
--Mark Moline
markm@wri.com
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From: aha@squeeg.psyc.virginia.edu (Adult Human Abilities Project)
Subject: Call for Volunteers
Summary: The Adult Human Abilities Project Needs YOU!
Organization: University of Virginia, Department of Psychology
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:24:42 GMT


Dear NeXT Computer Users-

It has been suggested that NeXT computer users are different than
other people -- somehow special.  We are psychometricians studying
adult cognitive abilities and we would like to see if we can measure
some aspects of these differences.    

We have developed a small NeXTSTEP program that allows us to present
cognitive abilities tests remotely by using the NeXT computer.  This
will be, to the best of our knowledge, the first wide-scale remote
psychometric testing using the Internet.    


How can you help?
-----------------

We would like you to participate in our pilot experiment.  If you
volunteer, we will NeXTmail to you a program called PsyLog.  You will
run the program which will ask you some questions.  The program will
take about 30 minutes of your time.    

At the end of the program you will be asked if it is OK to email the
results back to us at the Adult Human Abilities (AHA) project.  If you
respond "OK", the results will be automatically returned to us via
email.  If you respond "Cancel", the program will erase your
responses and quit.  Remember, this project is entirely voluntary. 
We will give you the opportunity to back out if you change your mind.  


Will your responses be kept confidential?
-----------------------------------------

Your privacy is very important in a project like this.  

Your individual scores from this test will remain strictly
confidential.  Your name and your email address will be removed from
the test scores and replaced with an encrypted ID number.  We will not
reveal any of your personal information to any other person, group,
or agency.  All information will be saved, analyzed, and reported
without revealing the identity of any of the individual
participants.  


How can you volunteer?
----------------------

If you are using NewsGrazer, just press the button that says "Reply"
and send us a message that says "I volunteer". If you are using rn or
trn, just press "r" to reply and send a message that says "I
volunteer".    

We will send you the program in a few days. 


Who will hear about the results?
--------------------------------

The results will be presented and published in various scientific
forums. Copies of the report will be made available to all
participants.  

Please help us explore the research capabilities of the Internet and
find out how NeXT users compare with other groups in some basic human
abilities.  

We sincerely appreciate your help in this research.

J. J. McArdle          Steven M. Boker
Project Co-Director    Project Co-Director


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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Fed Up!
Keywords: grumpy
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:57:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.161658.9820@mcs.gvsu.edu> vogeli@straylight.gvsu.edu (Christian Vogeli) writes:

[ ]
>
>Eerily, my Apple IIe is starting to look appealing--if only for its  
>nostalgic "stability."

Might I suggest upgrading it to a GS. There's lot's of very interesting 
sw now available for it, and you'll get much better sound in addition.
There's at least 2 excellent communications' programs which are reliable,
and a third about to appear. You can use HyperStudio for low end multimedia
work (or HyperCard GS, although it's not as good) and use your Cube as a
file server to the GS (via IPT's sw).
 
I bought a Cube for precisely the same reasons you did. And for precisely
those reasons, it would take an act of God to get me to buy another NeXT
system.
 
I seriously question the NeXt as a viable computer for education. Let the
developers program for themselves.
 
Philip McDunnough
University of Toronto
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: 3.0 and WriteNow
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:11:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.064104.3256@prim> prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave  
Griffiths) writes:
> 
> Does anyone know if the 2.x version of WriteNow is as binary compatible
> as WordPerfect?
> 

WriteNow 2.1 works fine on my cube running 3.0. Bummer about the lack of a  
read-only version though. It's going to be hard to remember not to send  
out .wn files...

Gordon

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From: Alex Raftis
Subject: Re: WP under 3.0 bugs (was Re: WordPerfect and 3.0 help)
Reply-To: alex@cosmos.acs.calpoly.edu
Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 18:41:07 GMT

Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen writes
> Just as a digression... Word Perfect is the _only_ program that has been
> able to crash so hard that the workspace spit me out to the login prompt.
> Now isn't that _special_ :)
> 
> Bjorn.

Naw, try the new 3.0 game Cyber on the net. I played it for < 1 minute
before I had a kernal panic and a system shutting down. I haven't seen one
of those since the 1.0 days.

Alex
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From: pmarcos@adobe.com (Paul Marcos)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:05:48 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.next.misc
Organization: Adobe Systems, Inc.

In article <y&#@byu.edu>, yackd@alaska.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) wrote:

> >Why not just use PostScript.  Authors of documentation can use any word
> >processing/page layout program they want and save it as PostScript.  Its
> >not like people are typically going to want to be able to modify documentation
> >they receive.  The original author can retain the document in whatever format
> >he wishes for latter modification.  
> >
> >Every NeXTstep program has the ability to create PostScript files and every
> >NeXT can read them.  Why does there seem to be resistence to using it as the
> >standard format of documentation?
> 
> My guess is that this is twofold:  (1) someone would have to set up DL so
> that it can index PS files.  To my knowledge (which may not be complete...)
> right now, indexing PS doesn't work the way you would want it to.  Even so,
> you wouldn't be able to easily open the PS file to the page where the word
> you searched for appears...or, for that matter, find the next word.  So, it
> would seem to me that until DL and Preview get better, you lose a lot by
> going to PS format.  And, (2) PS files are very big compared to, say, a
> WriteNow document.  They can be stored compressed, but then you don't have
> access to the info inside.  (What would be great, though, is to set things
> up so that a ".psZ" file would be zcatted into Preview...hmmm...)  Those are
> the reasons that are most obvious to me; I'm sure others can add to the list.

PostScript wouldn't be too good of a choice.  The problem is that PS
doesn't necessarily save text as a "stream of letters".  Very often words
are broken up and painted as individual letters.  Take the case of text
along a circle.  More than likely the text is painted character by
character as opposed to a string.  This would make searching it virtually
impossible.   

If the text was kept as a string, it wouldn't be too hard to get to the
page that it's on but it would be tricky to highlight it.  There would have
to be some intelligence built into the viewer.  

If there was an easy way to do it NeXT probably would already have the
features available in DL and Preview. 

Paul

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From: andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski)
Subject: Re: more icons in dock? (actually Engage)
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 03:18:15 GMT

I thought I read somewhere that 3.0 lets you expand the dock - this
might have been in NeXTWorld or something.

Is this true?  And if so, how do you do it?
-Anrdrew
 andrewd@cs.tamu.edu (no nextmail please)(please email; post
optionally)
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From: paul@music.sie.arizona.edu (Paul J. Sanchez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Edit.app in 3.0.  Goto Line # removed!
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:43:21 GMT
Organization: Systems & Industrial Engineering, U of AZ

Did I miss something, or did they actually remove the "jump to line #"
feature (command-l) from Edit?  How could they do this???
--paul
From: enders@bolshoi.cc.misu.NoDak.edu (Todd Enders)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: How Slow is NeXTSTEP 3.0 w/ 8 megs ram?
Date: 1 Oct 92 05:01:16 GMT
Reply-To: enders@bolshoi.uucp

Steven S. Rosenblum writes
> Well, the subject says it all.  I was wondering if anyone's loaded
> 3.0 onto a 68040 cube with only 8 megs (sniff) of memory?  How
> slow should I expect the system to run compared with 2.0? 
> 
> 	please e-mail responses to me at
> 
> 	rosenblum@mich.physics.lsa.umich.edu.
> 
> 	Thanks in advance,
> 	rosie
From: clt@eotvos.physics.purdue.edu (Carrick Talmadge)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Comments on 3.0 thus far
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:53:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.195218.25904@ornl.gov> woo@ornl.gov (John W. Wooten) >  
20)  I had a line in /etc/crontab to do an updatedb every night.  this  
> used to prepare a way so that find filename would very quickly give me  
> a path to that filename.  It doesn't work any more.  I can't tell that  
> crontab is getting done.  I checked and its still there and cron is  
> running.
> 

This is a problem with the new version of find, which no longer has the "fast  
find" capability in it.  What I find particularly humorous is that  
/usr/lib/find is still present and /etc/find.codes (the find database) can  
still be found in /usr/bin/find using "strings -8".  The fix is to replace  
with a non-broken find, such as the GNU find [which is much nicer than the  
original find in any case].

By the way, a number of people have reported that their NeXT computers were  
launching much slower under the new OS.  As far as I can tell, this seems to  
be a consequence of running NS3 on machines with too little physical memory.   
I have noticed no observable degradation in performance on any of my local  
machines, but they all have at least 20 MB of memory...

Carrick Talmadge
clt@physics.purdue.edu


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From: prim!dave@germany.eu.net (Dave Griffiths)
Subject: Re: Modules for adding functionality (was: Re: 3.0 Librarian) (long)
Organization: Primitive Software Ltd.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:52:34 GMT

In article <Bv9G6t.I34@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>Dave Griffiths writes
>> Interesting, but you guys are speaking another language.
>
>Actually, I don't think so.  What has been called a 'module' could be thought  
>of as a Kit of some sort.  One that provides the added functionality already  
>spoken about.  All the functionality that needs to be shared could be bundled  
>together inside a MailKit.
>
>> For those of us still waiting for 3.0, what are these "modules" you're
>> talking about? 
>
>They don't exist now, but to make it easy for other apps to take advantage of  
>them ('them' being the features listed before this post) it would be  
>advantageous to make them independant of any one app in particular.
>
>> Are you sure that NG and Mail both use them? 
>
>You've obviously not been following this thread.  I will elaborate.

Thank you for explaining. I _had_ been following this thread, and in the
context it sounded like Mike was suggesting making use of "modules" to
overcome shortcomings in Mail _now_. I assumed (or rather hoped) that 
"modules" were a fancy new feature of 3.0 that let you add functionality 
to an app.

>Upgrade the module, and both NG and Mail are  
>upgraded (plus whatever else uses that module).

Now I'm probably being stupid again, but if this module or kit was
supplied by NeXT then it couldn't be upgraded by a user could it? (Be
nice if it could).

But if you're talking about some design goals for a third party Mail and
News reader, then yes, it clearly makes sense to share functionality in a
kit of some sort.

Dave Griffiths
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From: demarco@fsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Vince Demarco)
Subject: ShowAndTell
Organization: University of Calgary
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:49:03 GMT


	Has anyone noticed that ShowAndTell is not included in the 3.0
release of NeXTSTEP??

Journaling is still supported, but i wonder why it has been removed

vince demarco

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From: cdb@codex.oz.au (Cameron Bromley)
Subject: Re: Stuffit for NeXT?
Organization: Codex Software Development Pty Ltd
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 04:10:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.162715.22894@wri.com> markm@wri.com writes:
> 
> 
> I have Opener3.0 and it does a great job opening Stuffit files, but it  
doesn't  
> have the option to create them.  If anyone knows of a source code to CREATE  
> stuffit files on my NeXT please let me know!
> 
> Thanks,
> --Mark Moline
> markm@wri.com


Although Opener cannot create .sit files, it can create .zip files which can be  
read with Stuffit Deluxe.  I think Stuffit can also read .arc files.

Cam.
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