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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Subject: Re: Killing your neighborhood vampire
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:10:34 PDT

In <1992Sep27.200854.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu>
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
>
>>>Complete immersion in running water.
> 
>> How come?  I never heard this before.
>
>I have no idea why, but this is a way to kill a vampire, at least
>one used by Hollywood.  ("BOO, HISS!"  "Hey, I like movies!")
>
>I think it was a Christopher Lee vamp film where he was walking across
>an ice covered river, and the hero short a few holes in the ice.  Lee
>dropped into the running river, to his death.
>

You're right. It was in a Christopher Lee film where this method was
employed. Thats about the only place that I have seen or heard of it.


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From: gabe@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu (zodiac)
Subject: disease
Organization: Radford University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 01:46:58 GMT

To true vampires:
  What are your feelings of the risks involved with your "practice"?
  i.e. AIDS, hemophelia, etc.

  Seems to me that true vampires aren't supernatural, but rather enjoy
  the taste of blood, and are rich with ritual (my opinion).  There-
  fore, they would still be succeptible to normal everyday sickness.
  Especially in this cruel world.

  Also, what are your experiences with racism?  i.e. I have heard 
  absolutely horrible stories about the way people band together
  against vampires.  There must be a good possibility of getting
  killed yourselves by gangs, etc.

  Just my $0.02 
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From: fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: STOP VAMPIRE E-MAIL!
Date: 6 Oct 92 03:37:25 GMT
Organization: Bradley University


	Alright, I posted my opinion of the existence of vampires some time
ago.  Since then, I've received nothing but bags of e-mail by people who
are adamant about proving me wrong.  I don't care!  Respond all you want and
flame me until we're all old and grey!  But, do it over internet!!!  I've got
a life and don't have time to read everyone's letter as they belittle my
beliefs and try (but always fail) to "put me in my place."  GO AWAY!

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From: beeler@acs.ucalgary.ca (Karin E. Beeler)
Subject: Re: Lillith
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 04:14:27 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Oct2.202015.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> lsheehan@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>
>	Whoa.... hang on.  As a recovering Catholic, I thought I'd throw in my
>$.02.. Lillith was *not* one of the "fallen" with Lucifer... she was Adam's
>first wife.
text deleted  
>  Gaiman does a really great Lillith in Sandman Season of Mists 1. 
>Just to continue (I love seeing my posts.  =) ), God then created another wife
>for Adam (her name escapes me at the moment)... but the problem with this one
>was he watched as she was created (bones, then muscle, fat, skin, hair,
>etc...), and this sort of grossed him out.  He wouldn't touch her, so God sent
>her away, and put Adam to sleep so that he could create Eve.
>	Well, that sums up the story, boys and girls.  Take care..  and always
>cover up....
>
>				lisa
>				lsheehan@hamp.hampshire.edu
Where are your sources? Although you mention some interesting
information on Lilith and Adam's second wife, I think many
readers would like references to specific texts in order
to verify such general assertions. It is also important to
remember that like Greek myths, legends about Lilith are
quite diverse. (At least according to Midrashic literature
and Jewish mysticism.) Can you recall where you read about
this disgusting second wife of Adam's? This story is new
to me. Thanks for your input.
Karin Beeler

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From: rougan@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Untitiled)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: "no such thing" (was: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!)
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:14:09
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:01:27 GMT

sorry if posted twice....but

                   *sigh* I'm so misunderstood.
 
                   A physics profesor once said to me "if we can't prove
                   something doesn't happen then it might happen."

                   Don't confuse reality with the perception thereof.

                   but then again...
                 
                   Reality is fiction.

                   Don't try to understand, you'll just misconstrue my meaning/


Shawn "proving nothing" Pezzuto
       
           but can nothing be proved?
From: uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Killing your neighborhood vampire
Date: 28 Sep 92 03:40:02 GMT

In <1992Sep27.200854.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:

>In article <1a0kc4INNkka@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, kat@wpi.WPI.EDU (Flame's Passion) 

>>>Complete immersion in running water.
> 
>> How come?  I never heard this before.

>I have no idea why, but this is a way to kill a vampire, at least
>one used by Hollywood.  ("BOO, HISS!"  "Hey, I like movies!")

In _Dracula_ it said that running water saps a vampyre's strength...I don't
think it said anything about killing it.  I thought the only way to kill it
was to stab it in the heart and chop off its head.....I better check up on
that.


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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:22:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>I myself don't really believe that they exist, though I like the idea and
>would welcome them if they do.  On the other hand, I don't disbelieve that
>they exist, either.  Until there is conclusive proof one way or the other,
>vampires are like God: a possibility.

No No No No. You cannot prove that something doesn't exist, you can only
prove that it didn't exist at that time and place. Therefore, any proof
that vampires do not exist can only be limited to case examples.

However, one can draw up a pretty simple argument using Occam's Razor and
James Randi's "Santa Claus" principle to show that the chances that there
are vampires is close enough to zero that most of us will be hit by lightning
twice before we see one.

Oh, yeah, for the argument impared:

Occam's Razor:  The simplest answer is usually the correct one.

JR's "SC" P [paraphrased]:  Just because I've sat by my chimney, every
Christmas eve, waiting for Santa to come down, but never seeing him, doesn't
mean that there is no Santa Claus. However, after fifteen years of doing
this, I'm willing to bet larger and larger amounts of money each year that
Santa will not come down the chimney again next Christmas.

What do vampires (in classical terms) have against them? Well, they're dead,
to start with, and dead things have not been observed to do much than
decompose over the rest of Earth. They can change shape radically (human to
bat, wolf, or cloud), which is also unprecedented. They suffer massive
allergic reactions to sunlight, basically unheard of in multi-cellular
lifeforms. And so on.

Now, there is that slight chance that all of humanity combined just haven't
seen the actual proof that would show us that vampires can, and do, behave
in the above specified ways. But, until there is proof, Occam's Razor tells
us that there probably ain't such thangs which violate so many well-observed
biological laws, and Randi's "SC" Principle tells me, at least, that we
probably never will.

They're still nifty things to read about, of course.

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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Subject: Re: *Will* there be vampires?
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 11:26:47 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct6.072852.11311@nwnexus.WA.COM> jennings@halcyon.com (James Jennings) writes:
>A lot of people have been discussing whether there are, or were
>vampires. My question is, will there be vampires?
>Suppose if they wanted to have excellent
>night vision, live on a liquid protein diet, and have unusual
>teeth, they could do so. Are there a lot of people who would? Are
>there a lot of people reading this newsgroup who whould?

I think you've got it backwards.
Vampires drink blood, have fangs, live at night, kill, because they >have< to,
as it is a big part of what they are and of their survival.
Given a choice, it seems that Vampires strive more for their humanity than
anything else...
Does this mean that Vampires don't like to kill, live at night, etc? Nope,
not at all- not all things that people do as a necessity are things that
people (or vampires :) hate doing. For example, you eat. You eat because it
is a necessity. You enjoy eating, though....a 'pleasureable' necessity.
r.
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: dmorgan@emunix.emich.edu (Faceman)
Subject: Re: Night Music
Organization: Detroit Institute of Criminal Arts and Sciences
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:03:37 GMT


I love it....keep posting...please...


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From: ueh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Eric Hausgaard)
Subject: Re: Suggestions on Game Design
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 03:06:37 GMT

RE: Game

How about a game where the player is the vampire and you have to solve a 
crime, Save lives, get the girl, discover the "Truth" vs the Mythology 
of a Vampire....

Try reading PN Elrod's "The Vampire Files".  I'd like to see a game where
I (You the player) is Jack Flemming.  He not only dies but decides to find his
killer, Get bags of dirt from his native soil, meets Escott, and falls for 
the Girl.  

He is also looking for the one who made him a vampire....(Who Turns out to me
Really dead)

Check out the book....it's in Waldenbooks....B Dalton Bookstores...and they'll
order it if they don't have it.

How's that for an Idea??
LLAP
Eric Hausgaard

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From: bchapman@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Bruce Patrick Chapman)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: cain; killing vampires; silver; real vampires
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:27:43 GMT
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario

cain: the children of cain are supposed to be read haired, green eyed, and
	are varyingly portrayed as vampires, witches, etc. (i've heard
	gypsies refered to as having the mark of cain.) this is according
	to folkloric tradition.

killing vampires: the most effective maner seems to be dismembering the
	body and burning it, usually after cutting off the ead, filling
	the mouth with garlic, staking through the heart.

	on finding, a traditional method was to lead a white stallion (or
	mare depending) through the graveyard where the vampire was believed
	to be buried - the grave which the horse refused to pass over contained
	the vampire. (this is from the area of transylvania etc)

	the notion that vampires could not enter the church seems somewhat
	strange when one considers that vampires are invariably buried
	in holy ground (when one considers the case of the vampire which
	_is_ buried before rising)

	similarly, it would seem that part of the reason why vampires have
	no reflecon is due to the fact that during the times when much
	of the lore on vampires which we have inherited was accumulating,
	mirrors were backed in silver - a moon or 'night' metal, silver
	is often considered to be harmful to creatures such as vampires
	and werewolves - at best, it is a fey material...far different
	from iron which is ascribed no magical ability save the ability
	to dispell magic (ie: iron & faerie)

real vampires: well...i've been able to convince a class of 30 adults
	that vampires exist...

grendel *-the views of the poster are stricly disowned by the owner of 
	*-this account.
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: conner@qucis.queensu.ca (Mike Conner)
Subject: Innocent Blood
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:31:20 GMT

I just saw _Innocent Blood_ on the weekend and had just a couple of
questions to ask:

   1) If a church is on holy ground why was Marie inside.  Now she was
      flying around so I guess if she does not touch the floor then
      shes ok?

   2) Lead bullets kill vamps.?  Now she did shoot them in the head so
      she could have hit the spinal chord.  Having your head snapped seems
      to be her favorite form of killing.

   3) Did Marie not saw at the start of the flick that she "killed her
      last lover for food"?  I think that would make me nervous.  I would
      definitly make sure dinner was on the table when she gets home.

Just a couple of thoughts.  I did infact enjoy the movie.  Kind of a comedy/
thriller/fright-night kind of thing.  Don Rickles was an unexpected sight.

Mike  \../
       {}
       ^^
From: jbw@bigbird.bu.edu (Joe Wells)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: "purely scientific" (was: Vampire Victims Needed for TV Interview!)
Date: 4 Oct 92 00:19:43 GMT
 <1992Oct2.070029.26307@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> <fletch.718043897@camelot>
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boston University Computer Science Department
In-reply-to: fletch@camelot.bradley.edu's message of 2 Oct 92 16:38:17 GMT

In article <fletch.718043897@camelot> fletch@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Lurie) writes:

   I merely, from a purely scientific point of you, stated that vampires
   don't exist.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!  "purely scientific"!  Tell us another good
joke! 

   I am more than mentally equipped to deal with impossibilities.

And I get paid to do research in logic.

   However, since none have come forth and PROVED their existence in the
   few years that humanity has been around, ...

That's okay, no one has ever proved the Earth exists either.

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From: molsen@zeus.calpoly.edu (Mark David Olsen)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: god(Lowercase Intended)
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:43:18 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

In article <92272.032804SWR103@psuvm.psu.edu> Sean Rearick <SWR103@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Just like to make a comment.  I've been an athiest for the past 6 years.
>While this may not interest anyone, the reason for my desicion is from
>'The Vampire Lestat'.  Before reading it I hadn't really thought about god,
>just sort of took it for granted.  However, the part in the book, when
>Lestat realizes that there is no god, got me thinking.  I basicaly
>decided that he was right.  Anyone else's life affected by the 'Vampire
>Chronicles' this strongly?
>                                       Amadeo
>        'Death is the only reality, its the end of the illusion.'

I have to agree with what is said here.  I have been an athiest for a good
number of years now and the 'Vampire Chronicles' only strengthened my
beliefs.  'The Queen of the Damned' led me to beleive the reality of spirits
(plus other events in my life have aided in this) but the Legend of the
Twins definately helped.  It is one of the first 'histories' of early man
that I feel makes sense.  Anyway, just wanted to throw my two bits in.

molsen@hermes.calpoly.edu
From: cdonnahee@mta.ca
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Help with "Tale of theBody Thief"
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:25:03 GMT
Reply-To: cdonnahee@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada

I'm looking for more info. on the affore mentioned book.
Is this a new book[duh!].If so.How recent is it.And where can I get it.

                                                  -averyveryveryBIG
                                                     Ann Rice fan.
From: cgc2646@usl.edu (Cech Claude G)
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: Vampire rpg
Date: 26 Sep 92 15:14:38 GMT
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

>         I said in an earlier article:
>> 
>> You can go back a bit further, if you want:  I've seen some suggestion that
>> it goes back to Lillith.  (first wife of Adam, in some accounts)
>                  ^^^^^^^
>
>               Mike writes:
>I'm sure Fraser will be glad to hear that ;-)
>I've never heard this one, can anyone out there explain/elaborate?
>Mike 

So here goes.  Quotes are from Summers' _The Vampire: His Kith and Kin_.

	Rabbinical literature is full of legends concerning Lilith.
	According to tradition she was the first wife of Adam and, the
	mother of devils, spirits, and _lilin_, which is the same word
	as the Assyrian _Lilu_.  From Jewish lore she passed to mediaeval
	demonology, and Johann Weyer says that she was the princess who
	presided over the Succubi.  It is true that the _LXX_ translates
	in this passage of the prophet Isaias the Hebrew Lilith by Lamia,
	but it has been suggested that the nearest Latin equivalent might
	be _strix_, for although _strix_ may be properly a screech owl,
	yet the Latins believed that these drained the blood of young
	children...

	But it is clear that the Strix was not always a bird, for in the
	Lombard code we find the expression "Strix uel masca."

	Moreover, the Strix was a vampire...  

	As has been remarked the earliest known representation of a
	vampire shows her in the act of copulation with a man [Summers
	writes a bit earlier that "The earliest Vampire known is that
	depicted upon a prehistoric bowl, an engraving of which has been
	published in the _Delegation en Perse_ where a man copulates with
	a vampire whose head has been severed from the body."] and we have
	just observed that Weyer regards the Hebrew Lilith as queen of
	the Succubi.  The connexion here is very plain...

BTW, Summers speculates that Lilith is co-opted from the Babylonian
Lilitu, a night demon.

Hope this was of interest; sorry for the length -
			Claude
Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
Subject: Re: "Nosferatu the Vampyre"
From: malee@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:41:29 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Miami University, Hamilton campus

In article <1992Sep29.120004@IASTATE.EDU>, ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez) writes:
> The Science Fiction Book Club is selling
> the original Nosferatu tape for $12.50

Excellent!

	I am very interested in getting a chance to view this since I have 

heard so much about it from this group.  Please, if you can, send information

on the address to where I may purchase this and if possible other similar items.

Thank you.


						Tread Safely in the Night,

							*MAGE*

Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)
Subject: Re: Lillith
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 19:13:42 GMT

In article <1alp8cINNckt@bigboote.WPI.EDU> kat@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Flame's Passion) writes:
>
>Also- the mark that was left on Cain has been said to be the mark of vampirism.
>I don't know if it's true or not....

I dunno, in Genisis it doesn't SEEM to say anything about having to kill to
live.  Just that everyone will know what he did and suffer a horrible fate
if they try to harm Cain or some such.

Any people that know for sure?


>
>kat
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>
>


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From: ueh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Eric Hausgaard)
Subject: Re: Whampyri....
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:05:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.192609.25206@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu> jarnolde@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu (John Arnolde) writes:
>In article <aj8qbkcm@csv.warwick.ac.uk> esrag@warwick.ac.uk (Mr W M D Wright) writes:
>>Anyone out there read the 'Necroscope' books by Brian Lumley? Good alternative
>>vampire theories, and a damn good read. Wel, I liked them....
>>
>I have read and liked a lot these books. I Have a question though, is 
>Deadspawn the last in the series? I hope not, I've come to like Harry Keogh
>and don't want to give him up. But, where can they go from the ending of
>this book???
>
>
They go to the other dimension where Wamphri come from and Harry IS a vampire
like his son.......

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