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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: SCA description
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:15:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.201538.8873@nas.nasa.gov> cassie@worf.nas.nasa.gov (Cassandra L. Baldassano) writes:
>In article <9209301734.AA08403@math.bu.edu>, jeffs@math.bu.EDU (Jeff Suzuki) writes:
>|> 
>|> Here's a thought for the one-line description of the SCA: 
>|> 
>|> 	The SCA -- interactive historical fiction
>|> 
>|> Comments?
>
>I like the way the FBI classifies the SCA, "A para-military organization".
>
>:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
>
>Euriol

I thought they called us a "bunch of harmless monarchists."

Well, mostly harmless. ;-)

In service,

Corun



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From: Ruth.Woodring@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Ruth Woodring)
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Subject: Teaching dances at events
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:01:28

 DH> they are new and everything seems exciting.  Does anyone have suggestions 
 DH> on how to owrk around this problem? 

 DH> Another problem we have noted is that the musicians have become tired of 
 DH> playing the same old thing.  In my local group, I have taken over 
 DH> responsibility for organizing bimonthly dance practices, so I get to play 
 DH> what I want provided I can convince someone to teach the new dance (it is 
 DH> difficult to call out instructions when your mouth is full of recorder!). 

 You need a stooge -- someone who knows the dances well enough to call for you  -- I have dance deputies, who take over when my voice dies or I need a break.

 DH>  Inevitably, this means that at events, Skraeling dancers know dances 
 DH> no-one else knows or has time to learn.  Either we teach the dance on the 
 DH> spot, or we go home disappointed that our new favourite was not 
 DH> performed.   

 Sometimes when there are enough Steppes Dancers (our troupe is the "Out-Of- Steppes-Dancers"  -- please groan now.) at an event, we'll  "show-off" a  dance -- perform it as a break while others rest.  Usually this creates  enough interest that they want it taught.....

 I know what you mean about 'same old dances...'  The Kingdom of Ansteorra is  absolutely crazy about Hole in the Wall.  Even people who know no other  dances know that one dance!  As a Midrealm friend, visiting our kingdom dance  workshop said, "I like Hole in the Wall, too -- but 4 times in one night?!?"

 Maybe it's getting better here -- I went to an outdoor event this weekend (we  have far too few indoor ones *sigh*) and one of my students in the period  Chivalric encampment was running dancing -- it went from about 11 pm until 3  am, because new people kept showing up to replace the dropouts.  She  was teaching the ones they didn't already know, like Dss. Rondalyn's  Pavanne, Heart's Ease, Rufty-Tufty.  We may educate them in dance yet......  (grin)
 -- Vashti


 

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From: Ann.Feeney@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ann Feeney)
Subject: Early dance info
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:09:28 GMT

My friends, seeing his Grace Justin post reminded me of something.

During 1973 and 74, the Arts of Asia magazine had a series of articles
on early dances of (surprise!) Asian nations.  While not giving
explicit instructions, they were interesting and possible useful for
background.

Enid
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From: coppinge8817@iscsvax.uni.edu
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Subject: name from the netherlands???
Date: 29 Sep 92 10:23:23 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

milords & ladies,
        In aiding a new member in my shire, I was asked to help her with a
period name to go with her persona.  I didn't think this a problem at the time,
with my name being easily found once I knew where to look.  Once again, I know
not where to look for this rather interesting name which the young lady claims
to have come from the netherlands.
        Any help at all with finding the name  "Severina Lundgren" in period   
would be appreciated.
                Many thanks in advance.
                        
                        Merfyn ap Donekyn
                  MKA Jason R-G Coppinger       
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Inexpensive, good looking armor
Organization: University of Toronto -- Office of the Provost
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:52:20 GMT


Charles Parr in Calgary had said:

>>      You can buy helms for 60$, as Cariadoc mentioned, but
>>      you have to drive to Estrella or Pennsic to do it.

In article <1992Oct2.175206.29377@news.duc.auburn.edu> bwilson@eng.auburn.edu writes:

>Why isn't mail order an option. 

If the armourer who sends the helmet across the border marks it "metal
sculpture" and the folks at Customs and Excise believe it, then it enters
Canada duty-free.  If they don't believe it, then you pay 20% duty and 7%
federal GST.  Fortunately, Charles is in Alberta, where he won't have to
pay Provincial sales tax.  If he lived in Ontario, which unlike Alberta is
_not_ an oil-rich sheikhdom, then he'd have to add 8% PST.  Plus shipping
and insurance.

So it is an option, just not a cheap one.

>Why not do as Caridoc said Call the Leather Company there is a branch in
>Colorado, and mail order it. One side of saddle skirting shipped to your
>door for under a $100, and save the whiskey.

Starting again ... that's about $128 before shipping and insurance.  I mean
US$128 -- it'll cost about C$154.

I cannot buy a side of saddle skirting in Toronto for less than $100 at the
back door of the tannery.

Now, raw rattan enters the country duty-free!  \8-)

But you still pay GST, PST (where applicable), and you lose money on the
exchange.

Aryk Nusbacher
From: zebee@sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Members at events (was Membership Privileges?)
Date: 25 Sep 92 11:06:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
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schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei) writes:

>Hal documented the West:
>  Of 28 events with event copy in the September _Page_, 1 has a
>  membership discount--and that one is in a Barony at the extreme edge
>  of the 'central kingdom' area.  (The 'central kingdom' being those
>  parts in California and Nevada.)

Different lands, different customs.  OF the 16 events in the September
Pegasus, 11 have member discounts, (and 1 has a non-member surcharge).
  
Once again, Lochac is not quite the West...

Selfran

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From: Ann.Feeney@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ann Feeney)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Period Wheelchairs
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:07:28 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

In article <1992Sep25.224307.693@panix.com> ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes) writes:
>
>	Some weeks ago a gentle was asking how a wheelchair could be made to
>look more period, and more appropriate for Events. I just bought a wonderful
>book, "The Italian Renaissance Interior 1400 - 1600" by Peter Thornton
>(Harry N. Abrans, Inc, New York 1991 ISBN  0-8109-3459-0 ), along with lots
>of pictures of beds, fireplaces, table carpets, etc. I found two pictures of
>'invalid chairs'.   

I believe that Henry VIII of England was also confined to a wheelchair
because of his bulk (in his later years).  More kingly to be carried or
pushed about than to huff and puff.  He (again, this is vague memory)
designed his to be similar to a Roman chariot.  Maybe someone knows of
pcitures or descriptions?

Enid

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From: vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James)
Subject: Re: Things that make ya go "Hmmmm..."
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 13:14:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.090205.9806@bsu-ucs.uucp> 00mjstum@bsu-ucs.uucp (Matthew J. Stum) writes:
)A rather strange question intruded upon my brain last night without
)my permission:
 
)  If we are indeed recreating medieval _tournament_ combat then why do
)  we "fall down dead" when "killed" instead of shouting something like
)  "I yield, m'lord/m'lady!" in order to keep us from "really being killed"?
 
)  Was medieval tournament combat normally fought to the death?  How was the
)  victor decided?  This could lead to some interesting new SCA tournament
)  styles.
)Matt Stum                    Gwydion ap Myrddin       Ball State University

	Well, considering that, in early tournements, you defeated your
opponent by beating him senseless, falling down kind of makes sense...

Kwellend-Njal 
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From: glenn@moeng2.morgan.edu (D. Glenn Arthur Jr.)
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Subject: Re: Jousting?
Date: 30 Sep 1992 16:06:10 -0500
Organization: The Space-Time Fabrication Institute, Rockville, MD.
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In article <19nqhaINNlre@agate.berkeley.edu> cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep21.175022.26671@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> mozart@altair.dartmouth.edu (Sting) writes:
>>I have been wondering over the past few weeks, why it is that we don't
>>have jousting events at Pennsic?  

Markland (you may have heard of us -- those mostly east-coast folks
who do re-enactment fighting with steel and use slightly padded
weapons competitively) has a Horse Guild.  We do use horses for
re-enactment fighting (aka "rec").  I don't know whether anyone is
using horses for competitive (aka "frat") fighting, but I don't 
think anyone is.

>In addition, horses have to be specially trained to participate in combat.

I'm told it takes a bit of training for the riders as well.  :-)
(For that matter, I seem to remember hearing about special pointers
for foot soldiers engaging mounted ones.)

>Tilting at the rings isn't so difficult, since there's only one horse
>at a time and less noise.  Some of our people have done that from time
>to time; [...]

Bit o' trivia:  Ring jousting is the official State Sport of Maryland.


Random tangent:  I've thought that (if the expense could be covered and
the mess dealt with) a horse-drawn wagon would be better for Pennsic
than the tractor-drawn one currently employed.  I would better fit the
mood and atmosphere, make less noise, and smell less modern.  And this
opinion comes from someone allergic to horses yet.


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would post there?   Anonymously?  How many would _vote_ non-anonymously?  And
what would you name it?  

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From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Expensive Armour
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 14:48:14 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Sep30.045535.2689@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> mdewis@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au ( Mark Richard Dewis) writes:

>My current dilemma is this: I shelled out A$50 for a hide of red suede
>for my coat of plates. Putting it together, it gives me great protection,
>weighs next to nothing (until I put the mail skirt on ;) and looks really
>spiffy (with black leather straps and silver buckles to fasten it). But
>I also have the tabard I appliqued and embroidered with my device, specifically
>to cover my (assumed) shonky armour ... so the problem is: WHAT TO WEAR?!?

      You wear *both*...Nothing is as foppy as covering something
      gorgeous with something even more gorgeous. May I suggest a
      Torse and mantling in colours to match your tabard? Cheap,
      easy to make, keeps the sun off your helm and looks
      extremely snazzy.

>(It isn't easy being a fop)

      Nope, but take it from Carolus --Peacock-- Malvoix...It's
      *worth it*.

      I will never forget this last weekend, when I rolled my
      helm with it's brand new torse of braided satin cord,
      and mantling of chevronny blue and yellow lined with
      scarlet.  One of the fighters looked down (I was
      visiting the toronto practice), and said "Oh God,
      when does the white belt come out".

      Hey, I may not be a knight yet, but I can *look* good,
      right?

      It's also really easy to make sweats and shirts in your
      colours to match your mantling set, or little braided
      tassels to hang from your sword hilt, and camail, or....

      Use your imagination. A long time ago someone lectured
      me about wretched excess. My conclusion was that it
      sounded like loads of fun.

Carolus Malvoix
Montengarde An Tir
Dep. Const.
P.A.(mont)
Fop
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From: samlb@optilink.UUCP (Sam Bassett)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: The End of Period
Summary: Aha!  A firm date!
Date: 26 Sep 92 17:51:18 GMT
Organization: I knew it!

In article <1992Sep25.060605.25489@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
>Who Won??
>Adjudging the Tournament, 1135 - 1625 CE.
>(C) 1991,  Thomas Ignatius Perigrinus
>
>In the reign of Henry 
>VIII there were 44 Royal Tournaments,  but in the reign of Charles I 
>there was only 1 (May 1625).    This was the last of the Royal 
>tournaments of England.   

	Aha!		There it is!

	Quite obviously, the End of Period -- just barely into the 17th
Century, contemporary with the first recorded mention of the moder short
kilt, and just barely tipping over into the Cavalier period.

	It is even in May -- at the beginning of -341 A.S.!!!!!


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From: usenet@monmouth.edu (Usenet News)
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Subject: Authorization and armour requirements
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:59:59 GMT
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764
	Are there any ftp sites that have East Kingdom laws, weapon

can help me figure out which subareas I'm in I would be most thankfull.  My
mundane location is Point Pleasant Beach, Ocean County, New Jersey, USA).
	Is it generally acceptable/legal to wear a sword as part of garb if
it never clears the scabbard and the wearer is unauthorized?
From: c1741@moncol.monmouth.edu (MICHAEL CARSON)
Thank you for answers to any of these questions.

	Slainte!
	Michael

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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: choosing barons
Organization: University of Toronto -- Office of the Provost
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 22:06:53 GMT

In article <9210020633.AA02902@ravel.sli.com> mfy@sli.COM (Mike Yoder) writes:

>....  You can find many republics
>among the Italian city-states; I'm not sure if any of them qualify as "major"
>to you.  Also, I'd hesitate to call them *democratic* republics without hitting
>the books a lot first.  

I'd hesitate to call any of them "democratic" without drinking a pint of 
mescal and crossing my fingers.

It would be a wicked lie.

Aryk
From: tbarnes@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas wrentmore barnes)
Subject: Re: Mistakes & Rumors
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:11:16 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.052811.13126@vela.acs.oakland.edu> atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Montgomery J. Moose) writes:
>Greetings to the Rialto,
>
	I would suggest mentioning guidelines for posting )n an FAQ.  These
>should be the same as those we use in A&S--namely, that
>
>	1) We should only use what we can document,
>	
>	2) Name our sources, or
>
>	3) Explain why we aren't doing 1 or 2.
>
A laudable standard to aim for, in reality, probably impossible to
achieve, especially when people are at workstations away from
home/library and can't reference everything. If you are posting a file
there is no excuse for getting your info wrong. If you are making
impromptu postings as you read the net at the office, you should try to

	1) not mention what you are completely unsure of.

	2) massively disclaimer facts that you are not absolutely
certain of.

	3) edit out rumors (i.e. stuff you have heard from friends of
friends), unless you specifically say that the information you are
posting is a rumor.

	I always assumed that it was a basic net-user courtesy to try to
be as accurate, unbiased and informative as is conveniently possible.
Silly me for thinking that the whole world thinks just like I do. By and
large though, I think that Rialto visitors do a good job of giving a
high "signal to noise" post.

Good idea though

Lothar
>	Unfortunately, I cannot elaborate on this, but I would like to hear
>comments from other members of the Rialto.
>
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>		Barony of Northwoods, Midrealm
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From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Inexpensive, good looking armor
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 19:49:17 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <1992Oct2.175206.29377@news.duc.auburn.edu> bwilson@eng.auburn.edu writes:
>In article 17777@acs.ucalgary.ca, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>
>>      An *acceptable* (I do not mean terribly pretty) helm
>>      runs around 150-300$ here. The reason is fairly simple,  
>>      out here almost everyone makes their own armour. There
>>      just isn't a big enough market to allow economy of
>>      scale to lower the prices.
>>
>>      You can buy helms for 60$, as Cariadoc mentioned, but
>>      you have to drive to Estrella or Pennsic to do it.
>
>
>Why isn't mail order an option. Besides, if poeple make their own armor
>then the price should be lower, as the only cost is the steel and rivets.
>Is there nobody teaching armor making. I recall Torquil (sp?) telling me
>that he had been teaching stuff and he has very nice looking equipment.

   Well, too many people have been badly burned by mail order.
   There are reputable companies like Stellari Armouries, whom
   I would not hesitate to buy from, but their prices are IMHO
   too high, since I can make my own...It's a circular process
   as you can see. By "torquil" I suspect you mean Tjorkill Khan,
   whom I have heard referred to as "Super Killer Duke". Yep,
   that is gorgeous stuff he wears. I take it you have been
   lucky enough to see the pierce-worked-helm-from-hell?

   I didn't want to aim shots at his helm for fear of damaging
   it...I got over the inhibition fairly quickly though;-)
>>     Here in Montengarde, that side of heavy saddle skirting
>>     will run between 150-200$, and that's getting a good 
>>     deal from MyFriendTheWholesaler (and if you think he
>>     gets a bottle of good scotch for christmas, you're right)
>
>
>Why not do as Caridoc said Call the Leather Company there is a branch in
>Colorado, and mail order it. One side of saddle skirting shipped to your
>door for under a $100, and save the whiskey.

Because when I've finished paying GST, tariffs, shipping, and
hassles factor, it'll run around 200. Oops, forgot the 20%
"havingv a worthless dollar" tax. AND I can't inspect it
before I buy it...

The real point of my posting was that
a) it's always possible to build cheap, period looking armour.
b) the materials and circumstances vary according to where you
live.

Carolus Malvoix
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From: brunner@lakota.ssd.loral.com (Brian Brunner)
Subject: Re: Barons and their removal
Organization: Space Systems/Loral
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:19:31 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.210921.14850@pbhya.PacBell.COM>, whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM
(Wilson Heydt) writes:
!! In article <1992Sep30.191439.21398@PA.dec.com> haslock@rust.zso.dec.com
!! (Nigel Haslock) writes:
!! >I am not sure how the Norsemen in general selected their leaders, but the
!! >example of Iceland suggests that it was more bottom up than top down, at
!! least
!! >in early period (still with the limitation that only landownder counted).
!! 
!! In some instances--on board ship for instance--it would appear that no
!! leader was selected at all.
!! 
!! 	--Hal
!! 
!!         Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
!!         Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)

Having spent a few years abord ship, allow me to interject...
When you're on ship at sea, it is implicit that you're all
going the same place, so a leader is an irrelavency...
a navagator and a helmsman, now...

Hrolf Straker

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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Re: Linen and wool
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 18:48:03 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

Hal wrote:

> You will also discover why small boys with unkempt hair are described as
> 'tow headed'.

Actually, "towheaded" simply means "having soft whitish hair."  However,
you do have the derivation right: a tow is "a short broken fiber from flax,
hemp, or jute that is used for yarn, twine, or stuffing" or a length of
fabric or yarn made from tow.  (quotes from G& C Merriam Company, 1967)

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