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From: cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton)
Subject: Re: Psilocybe side effects
Organization: t.b, t.p.d, & a.d
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:43:58 GMT

In article <Bz265u.p0@csn.org>, richardf@teal.csn.org (Richard Forbin) writes:
: > A couple of times that I have eaten Psilocybe mushroomss I have noticed 
: > that when I stand up suddenly or have been standing for awhile, I get
: > EXTREMELY light-headed, and my vision clouds up, and I have actually
: > fallen down fainting. But most of the time this doesn't  happen. Could
: > it be a combination with alcahol orr THC???? Has anyone else noticed this 
: > or have any input???

kns001@acad.drake.edu wrote:
: 
: 	I felt extremely faint while 'shrooming one time and chalked it 
: up to standing around too long in a stuffy convenience store.  
: ... I sat around for a few minutes w/ my
: head between my knees 'till I felt OK enough to walk home where I spent 
: the rest of the trip feeling weak & woozy. 
 
Have you considered the possibility of a minor hypoglycemic attack, i.e.
low blood sugar?  Most trippers seem to find no impulse to eat while
they are on psilocybin or LSD, and the psychedelic seems to act as an
appetite suppressant.  However, the drug is not going to maintain a normal
level of food in your body or glucose in your bloodstream.  I am a little
prone to hypoglycemic reactions myself if I get careless about eating, so
I eventually made it a practise to force myself to eat a little bit during
the course of a long trip, and if possible to start out with a full (but
not too full) stomach.  

Alcohol and THC together will lower your blood pressure temporarily, so
that combination alone could account for Richard's dizziness.  I've only
done mushrooms a couple of times, but I've never had that reaction to them.

  -- Clifton
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Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: mch6@ellis.uchicago.edu (Huitzilopochtli)
Subject: Re: Timothy Leary
Reply-To: mch6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:34:22 GMT

I bought a Light and Sound Technologies E=mc*2, and have had incredible results with it.  Even sober (as I prefer with the machine) I notice a blanket of tranquility that sets in after I use it.  Part of my INITIAL worry was, of course, that this entire gadget, and the effects that people experience are a total sham! The placebo effect, to abuse the term, once again.  As I gradually eased into the rhythms and impulses, though, I noticed that I felt very focussed on the programs.  Every once in a while, my 




mind slips out of the program and I start to think about whatever has been on my mind (homework, girls, skepticism that I got ripped-off in buying the machine!) But, these eventually are wiped out completely, and I am inside of the program once again.  Occassionally, I feel a physical *rush* that comes over me, much like an adrenyline flow --very comfortable, and even powerful enough to make me want to post this!
	Under the influence of certain controlled substances (thc) the effect is enhanced for me.  That is the important part in all of this FOR ME. I notice that the dynamics of the programs are enhanced by 'herb', maknig it all together more enjoyable.
	To anyone reading this, please realize that everyone reacts differently to the devices commonl referred to as Light/Sound machines.  Obviously, the two current postings offer distinct viewpoints, demonstrating the variability of the results.  In chicago, there is a "place" (specifically, Space Time Tanks) that rents time on the mc*2 plus. [5-15 min sessions are currently 10$ --a winter special] I recommend going to an outfit like this and talking to them about any interests or questions that you might hav




e.  The Space-Time guys were very according, making my decision much easier.

Try it once. Go home. Try it second, third, or even fourth time. You might find that it replaces your current "intoxicant/relaxant."


paz, Huitzilopochtli



Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: ebail@ctp.com (Erik Bailey)
Subject: Re: Blind people and hallucinogens
Organization: Cambridge Technology Partners
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:44:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.204549.7499@shearson.com> me@nowhere.com () writes:
>Hi folks,
>        does anybody know of any studies done in the '60s on blind people
>given hallucinogens that highly activate the visual cortex such as
>DMT and psilocybin ? Anybody care to speculate on how people born blind
>experience the visual dimension of these substances? Does it manifest itself
>in a different way? I would imagine that people who have lost their sight
>would experience the visuals normally, since the visuals can be 'seen'
>with eyes either open or closed... Does one need to know what it's like
>to see before being able to experience the visuals?

Well, last year at Brown I was perusing the library for interesting books,
and I came across a number of them on LSD. One talked about the exact type
of study you are talking about. Unfortunately, I don't remember what it
said. But the studies HAVE been done, so if you poke your nose in a library
for a while, you should be able to come up with something. (let us know
what you find!)

(I seem to recall that the effects were essentially the same, but the
"visuals" were either very much reduced or nonexistant)

--Erik

-- 
Erik Bailey   | Cambridge Technology Partners      | The usual disclaimer
              | 304 Vassar St., Cambridge MA 02139 | applies: this post is
ebail@ctp.com | (617) 374-8418                     | mine, not my employer's.
      /earth is 98% full; please remove any excess inhabitants.
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: schludermann@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: John C. Lilly, current activities?
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:03:44 GMT

What has John C. Lilly been up to lately?

kris
From: Etan Ben-Ami <ebenami@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Date: 18 Dec 92 21:03 PST
Subject: Re: Leary, Manson, Kleps and other ques
Nf-ID: #R:1gep30INN54c@tamsun.tamu.edu:-278180991:cdp:1519500010:000:237
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ebenami    Dec 18 21:03:00 1992


In reply to Rich Whitmeyer:
   Try not to use Charlie Manson as an argument for capital punishment.
He's much more of a deterrent alive.  During Watergate I had visions of
Richard Nixon being put in an adjoining cell :-)
-- Etan Ben-Ami
From: cmest+@pitt.edu (Chris M Emerson)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: Dramamine od chances
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:54:56 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Is it possible to OD from too many Dramamine? I've heard that large quantities
in a "controlled" situation are interesting and relatively "safe".

Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
From: vail@tegra.com (Johnathan Vail)
Subject: Re: Leary : :RECENT SIGHTING
Organization: Tegra-Varityper, Inc. Billerica, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:41:40 GMT



In article <1992Dec13.165938.11728@uvm.edu> cavrak@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (Steve Cavrak) writes:


   From article <1992Dec13.122254.25969@news.columbia.edu>, by
   dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina):

	   Tim "neuron-deficient" Leary

   A year or so, Tim Leary and some born-again, Watergate
   personality (Colson?) presented a "forum" at the University

G Gorden "I stick my hands in flames for fun" Liddy.

   (UVM = Universitatis Vertis Montis).  He was no more "neuron-
   deficient" than anyone else I've ever met, and was certainly
   more coherent than his debating opponent.

Two sides of the same coin.
From: maupb@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J L Saunders)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: THC vapour point, and associated paraphenalia
Date: 17 Dec 1992 19:28:47 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk


What is the vapour point of THC? Is there apparatus freely available to make a
"tilt pipe" of my own? I've got the basic idea with filament, and bimetalic
strip, but what would the specifics be?

Cheers,
Jason
-- 
    "Merry Xvob!"      Jason L Saunders [ RouE ]       "Merry Xvob!"
                     email: maupb@csv.warwick.ac.uk
snail: Warwick Business School, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL, UK

Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: me@nowhere.com ()
Subject: Blind people and hallucinogens
Followup-To: alt.psychoactives
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:45:49 GMT


Hi folks,
        does anybody know of any studies done in the '60s on blind people
given hallucinogens that highly activate the visual cortex such as
DMT and psilocybin ? Anybody care to speculate on how people born blind
experience the visual dimension of these substances? Does it manifest itself
in a different way? I would imagine that people who have lost their sight
would experience the visuals normally, since the visuals can be 'seen'
with eyes either open or closed... Does one need to know what it's like
to see before being able to experience the visuals?

Please post any findings...

thank you,

--me

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From: hkhenson@cup.portal.com (H Keith Henson)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Leary, Manson, Kleps and other questions...
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 19:47:29 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Just FYI on this thread, two weeks ago I was at a party at Tim's house.
Good party, was the annual party for a cryonics group, and, yeah, Tim
is signed up.  Keith Henson
PS, cryonics is certainly an example of life being stranger than t.b
From: D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Dana   Nibby)
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
Subject: WTBWAW/India
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:36:54 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

For sale: "Would the Buddha Wear a Walkman?" book by Judith
Hopper and Dick Teresi. This book is a good intro to mind
machines, brain toys, and other methods of consciousness 
alteration. 8 1/2 X 11, 255 pages. I want to sell the rest
of my copies (all brand new). Cover price is $16.95.
I'm selling them for $10 postpaid in the U.S. only. To reserve
a copy, send e-mail to: d_nibby@unhh.unh.edu
I'll send you a table of contents and ordering info.

* No overseas orders, U.S. only.
* To the person from INDIA who ordered the book: I NEED YOUR
  MAILING ADDRESS
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
From: deltaur@stein.u.washington.edu (deltaur)
Subject: Re: Leary : :RECENT SIGHTING
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 10:13:27 GMT

 
Hello,

I am doing a report and would like to know what is the most devious act
you have done in your lifetime.  It could be of any nature(sexual, physical.
..etc) as long as it is an actual TRUE event.  

Please email me your reply at deltaur@stein.u.washington.edu and if I
get enough replies, I will combine them (making them anonymous) and post
them here.

thanks.
deltaur@stein.u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
From: wbogue@cwis.unomaha.edu (Willie Bogue)
Subject: Re: Leary, Manson, Kleps and other questions...
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:49:30 GMT

BB> What all has Charles manson tried to do? Is he still alive? If he
BB> is, what is he doing?

Oh, I see. You meant to post this in alt.psychotics, not alt.psychoactives.

Understandable mistake.

Will-O
wbogue@cwis.unomaha.edu
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)
Subject: Re: Cat?Khat?Chat?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 04:07:33 GMT

In article <ByynIs.IKp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dacc@cmp-rt.music.uiuc.edu (Andrew C. Crowell) writes:
>In article <kf9=piC00WBLE2L1AZ@andrew.cmu.edu> "Charles D. Nichols" <cn0p+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>get high?  It was on the ABC news last night.  They showed some footage
>>of somalis at the end of a long hard day of chewing and they sure looked
>>out of it!

Interesting how the "Drug-Crazed Young Black Men Terrorize Nation"
motif is coming up again.  Some things never change...

>Ah...that would be Khat, which actually is not all that dissimilar to
>cocaine is its supposed effects. 

Cathine is not as euphoriant as cocaine, according to folks who have
tried the HCl salt.  More so than caffeine, but a closer comparison
might be ephedrine, without some of the peripheral effects -- maybe
I'm prejudiced by chemical structure, though.  In any case, the
appropriate comparison is with coca leaves, not cocaine -- hardly
the same thing.

>Khat's pretty addictive stuff, too, from what the literature I've
>read (including the CRC Guide to Medicinal Herbs) had to say about
>it.

"Addictive" probably means "psychologically addictive", for whatever
you feel that phrase is worth.

>We, however, don't get khat here; it's a scheduled substance,
>unfortunately.

If so, it's a recent development.  Cathine is, or was, available
both from gray-market places and from chemical supply houses as an
uncontrolled substance.  Khat plants can almost certainly still be
purchased as well -- if you can sell peyote, I'm sure you can sell
khat.  If there's doubt about khat's legality, I suppose I oughtn't
to post addresses, but you can read the alt.drugs faq.  I wouldn't
be surprised if it has been or will be made illegal, having
predicted as much about a month ago.

You may be thinking of methcathinone, "cat", which was fairly
recently placed on Schedule I after a spate of news stories
attesting that "it makes crack look like candy."  The joys of a free
press -- propaganda without government persuasion.

>D.A.C. Crowell

	 PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail  (finger works now)
   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu

Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
From: mch6@ellis.uchicago.edu (Huitzilopochtli)
Subject: Re: Leary, Manson, Kleps and other questions...
Reply-To: mch6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:24:16 GMT

I agree with Mason completely. Anyone interested in starting a thread devoted solely to Manson:The Real Story, see Mason for details. He might even get support from his fellow fan-club members.All I know is that anyone who threatens Geraldo can't be all bad.
 
just a little levity:-)

Hui


Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: mathers@sibelius.trl.OZ.AU (Steven Mathers)
Subject: Re: Psilocybe side effects
Reply-To: s.mathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:20:55 GMT

In article <Bz265u.p0@csn.org>, richardf@teal.csn.org (Richard Forbin) writes:
|> I have a question I hope someone here can answer-
|> 
|> A couple of times that I have eaten Psilocybe mushroomss I have noticed 
|> that when I stand up suddenly or have been standing for awhile, I get
|> EXTREMELY light-headed, and my vision clouds up, and I have actually
|> fallen down fainting. But most of the time this doesn't  happen. Could
|> it be a combination with alcahol orr THC???? Has anyone else noticed this 
|> or have any input???

This happens to me sometimes when I  am sober.  I think its just the
blood rushing up or down or something when you stand up quickly.
Perhaps you are more susceptable to this sort of thing when you are
tripping because of raised blood pressure or something.

One thing I get sometimes when I am stoned is an uncomfortable pressure
on my eyeballs.  It feels like they are going to pop out or something.
If I lie down and close my eyes for a few minutes, it goes away.
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: guest@veronica.cs.wisc.edu (Guest account)
Subject: Re: THC vapour point, and associated paraphenalia
Reply-To: petlock@turing.org
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:56:18 GMT

maupb@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J L Saunders) writes:


>What is the vapour point of THC? Is there apparatus freely available to make a
>"tilt pipe" of my own? I've got the basic idea with filament, and bimetalic
>strip, but what would the specifics be?

>Cheers,
>Jason
>-- 
>    "Merry Xvob!"      Jason L Saunders [ RouE ]       "Merry Xvob!"
>                     email: maupb@csv.warwick.ac.uk
>snail: Warwick Business School, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL, UK

I seem to recall that High Times magazine published the plans for a
device that would vaporize the THC.  It consisted of the business end
of a car's cigarette lighter wired up with a transformer and a
pushbutton switch.  I forget exactly how the case of the thing was
designed, and I think it was intended for use with hash oil.  It was
~2 years ago that the article was published.  Temperature was
controlled by how long you held down the button-- not very accurate!
I never built it because it just seemed impractical -- and hash oil
isn't exactly a common item.

-tim petlock
petlock@turing.org
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Dramamine od chances
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:30:11 GMT

In article <922@blue.cis.pitt.edu> cmest+@pitt.edu (Chris M Emerson) writes:
>Is it possible to OD from too many Dramamine? I've heard that large quantities
>in a "controlled" situation are interesting and relatively "safe".

Overdosing on antihistamines is _interesting_?  Stick to sniffing glue.
(That's a joke, son.)

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
From: mason@lion.erg.sri.com (Mason Jones)
Subject: Re: Leary, Manson, Kleps and other questions...
Reply-To: mason@lion.erg.sri.com (Mason Jones)
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 19:25:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.030129.5334@den.mmc.com>, whitmeye@den.mmc.com
(Richard Whitmeyer) writes:
|>
|>In article <1gep30INN54c@tamsun.tamu.edu>, bpb9204@tamsun.tamu.edu
(Brent Burton) writes:
|>|> 
|>|> OK, I have to ask.
|>|> 
|> 
|>|> What all has Charles manson tried to do? Is he still alive? 
|>|> If he is, what is he doing?
|>
|>Charlie? That jerk is the flaw in my view to abolish capital punishment.
|>Can't see any reason not to search for the lethal dose of LSD using that
|>fucker.
|>
|>He tried too much.
|>He is still alive.
|>He is doing multiple life sentences for murder.

Search for a lethal dose with him?  He tried too much?  Where do you
get your information?  Yes, he's doing multiple life sentences, for
murders which he didn't even commit.  Meanwhile, Tex Watson, who did
commit the murders, is on parole.  You clearly have a failure to
understand justice.  Charlie's not much of a guy, and there's never
been much to him, but he got shafted by the media, pure and simple,
and you've bought into it all.  Congratulations.

   <===============================================================>
         Mason Jones, temporarily at SRI International, Inc.
            mason@erg.sri.com or better: mason@netcom.com
   <===============================================================>
                           
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: Ernie_Jenkins@mindlink.bc.ca (Ernie Jenkins)
Subject: Re: mail order
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:43:24 GMT

>Steven Hodas) writes:
>In March I placed an order for several things from InHome: piracetam,
>hydergine, vinpocetin, and vasopressin. I got all the stuff except for the
>vasopressing in about six weeks. The vasopressin never came.

Maybe your local customs was careless or too busy, but finally woke
up?  Customs should eventually send you a letter saying they have it
and to contact them.  They'll want you to show a prescription to get
it.

Does anyone know if this stuff is available in Canada?  Is vasopressin
available in Mexico?  Supposedly you can bring back medicine in small
personal quantities.

Hydergine is available here in Canada but by prescription only. Piracetam,
Vasopressin and Vinpocetine are not obtainable here at all. The Hydergine is
fairly expensive, I'm on a large dose - 20mg per day which costs me over $300
per month. The Hydergine I'm taking is Sandoz, there's no generic brands
available here.


Ernie_Jenkins@mindlink.bc.ca



Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: mathers@sibelius.trl.OZ.AU (Steven Mathers)
Subject: Re: enlightenment
Reply-To: s.mathers@trl.oz.au
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 22:26:20 GMT

In article <18237@mindlink.bc.ca>, Erin_Zielinski@mindlink.bc.ca (Erin Zielinski) writes:
|> I just read this posting to my roommate, I remember he mentioned experiencing
|> something like what you mentioned.  He asked me to let you know, that he
|> never noticed much difference when using psychadelics, however, being someone
|> with bipolar affective disorder, he tends to reach that state of
|> "enlightenment" frequently when he is in a truly manic state.
|> 
|> He says "If you're interested, I have a theory on why it happens.  Just let
|> me know".  :)
|> 

Lets hear it.  Im sure Im not the only one interested in this thing.
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Leary : :RECENT SIGHTING
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:11:10 GMT

Liddy was the DA who first busted Leary on the East Coast, I believe
at Millbrook.  He also hassled Leary some more later.  There are some
really amusing quotes on both sides of the issue, but unfortunately
I don't recall any.  The whole thing is described from Leary's viewpoint
in _Flashbacks_, which is a pretty interesting document.

I really enjoyed comparison/contrast between _The Electric Kool-Aid Acid
Test_, _Storming Heaven_, and _Flashbacks_.  I hope to add _Acid Dreams_
and the _LSD: My Problem Child_ to the list sometime....
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
         "There is no time for metaphors," cried the little pill to me
             He said, "Life is a placebo masquerading as a simile."
Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives
From: christ@crash.cts.com (Chris Trichel)
Subject: Timothy Leary
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:30:39 GMT

Well if you want to know the most recent sighting of 
Dr. Leary... He was a guest speaking at the MacFest
in L.A. Friday night (the 11th i beleive)... He talked
about the 60's and the Computer Age as well as a bit
about tripping and the new (not so new) VR and 
Sound/Light Machines... I didn't get to hear his whole
talk and I'm pissed that I missed it... the man is incredible.

BTW, on an indirectly related subject... I bought one of
those Sound/Light Machines and it did NOTHING for me...
even after I had smoked a coupla bowls... the most it 
does for me is put me to sleep... a fast heavy deep sleep
not even a chance for lucid dreaming... oh well... there
is a 30 day money back guarantee on it...

Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs,talk.bizarre