HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: charest@Aig.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Len Charest)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: 1913 Income Tax Amendment
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:51:10 GMT
Reply-To: charest@aig.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA/Jet Propulsion Laboratory

In article <21200.2AA7342D@puddle.fidonet.org>, Brian.Lane@p0.f162.n138.z1.fidonet.org (Brian Lane) writes:
The 16th amendment was adopted in 1913 allowing Congress to lay and
collect taxes on incomes.  This amendment was supposedly ratified by
2/3 of the state legislations, but actually was not!  There is a group
who - for the last 10 years - have been researching this, and they have
traveled to all 50 states to examine the records.  They have determined
that it was never ratifed by 2/3, and that some of those that did
ratify it had changed the wording of the amendment that they voted on.

	This sounds *very* interesting. Could you please provide more
	information, especially on who/what is this group that's
	carrying out the research.
..................................................
                                  Len Charest, Jr.
                 JPL Artificial Intelligence Group
                          charest@aig.jpl.nasa.gov
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From: woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods)
Subject: Re: Back to Taxes again (was Re: Want _Your_ Blood to Boil too
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:12:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.084457.15663@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:
>Well, I pay taxes, but as a non-citizen, I am not allowed to vote.
>I guess you must have lost that revolution.

No one is forcing you to do business in this country, or to maintain
a residence here. You must be doing one or both of those two things to be
paying US taxes as a non-citizen. If and when I visit Canada, I am sure
that I will have to pay Canadian taxes too. So what?

In principle, I'd like to see an end to all national boundaries so that
anomalies like this wouldn't occur, but this is hardly realistic at
least in the near future :-(

--Greg

Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Re- Legion of Doom
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:26:54 GMT

In article <199208251542.AA07845@eff.org> mc/G=Brad/S=Hicks/OU=0205925@mhs.attmail.com writes:
[analogy between the Pagan church and phreaks]

I'm not a Pagan... if I have any religion it's Science... but if I were a
Pagan and someone had just compared me to a bunch of phreaks I'd be mighty
pissed off. What phreaks do is not religious, and it's not ethical, and
there is no possible comparison between the two groups. Most of the Pagans
I know are fine people, who'd no more paw around in someone else's data
than they'd paw around in someone else's desk.
-- 
                                                                `-_-'
                         Have you hugged your wolf today?        'U`

Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter)
Subject: Re: Re- Legion of Doom
Organization: A Planet Of His Own
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:39:41 GMT

In article <199208251542.AA07845@eff.org> mc/G=Brad/S=Hicks/OU=0205925@mhs.attmail.com writes:
>You didn't contact the proper authorities.  When you are receiving
>harassing phone calls, the proper authority is your local telco.  Look it
>up, surely you (of all people (tired grin) have read the front of your
>phone book.  After all, the FBI doesn't really handle many harassing phone
>calls, do they?  Nor have they traditionally taken a great deal of
>interest when one single person's credit record was unlawfully obtained
>and distributed.

Ummm... for what it's worth... I had some harassing phone calls a couple of
years ago. I called the telco, who instructed me to call my local police
dept. They helped me take care of the problem. It was pointed out to
me that if the harrassing calls were coming from out of the state, the
FBI would be involved.

					- greg
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: erikb@tic.com (Chris Goggins)
Subject: Re: Re- Legion of Doom
Organization: Texas Internet Consulting
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:50:38 GMT

Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,co.general,nyx.mis
From: aburt@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Andrew Burt)
Subject: Re: Back to Taxes again (was Re: Want _Your_ Blood to Boil too
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 02:31:10 GMT

In <1992Aug25.221215.27418@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester) writes:
>While the Constitution may have been ratified 200+ years ago, I have
>always been under the impression that a real income tax didn't begin until
>the year 1913.  
>Was that voted upon by the people at that time?

Hey, I'm not saying I *like* income taxes, or property taxes, or
sales tax, or related (document fees, speeding tickets... :-)

I'm saying the founding fathers built us a nation based on taxation.
We have a society funded by taxes, and whether voluntary or not, we
need funding.  I'm pretty convinced voluntary taxes would flop, so it's
more a matter of debating (a) what kind of taxes are fair and (b) how
those taxes get spent.

No matter how you slice it, unless you think we can live without a
government, we need taxes or their equivalent...
-- 

Andrew Burt 		   					  aburt@du.edu

      "And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped"
From: keithf@pacifier.rain.com (Keith Furrow)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: Phrack 40, where is it?
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:38:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: pacifier.1992Aug27.183845.29659
Organization: Pacifier BBS

In article <34426@hoptoad.uucp> cudarch@cygnus.com writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.200340.12255@pacifier.rain.com> keithf@pacifier.rain.com (Keith Furrow) writes:
>
>   Hello, my account died where I was sending phrack to, could someone
>   put it up on ftp.eff.org?  Thanks alot...
>
>It'll be there tonight.  Sorry about the delay, I've just moved 5000 miles
>and started a new job.  I've been kinda occupied.
>
>--
>Brendan Kehoe                                               brendan@cygnus.com

Hehe Thanks for putting it up there!  (Have fun with yer new job!)
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From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.mach,news.groups
Subject: Re: Exercising Caution When Making Attributions (was Re: ... Boycott)
Date: 3 Sep 1992 18:17:09 GMT
Followup-To: alt.dev.null
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Sep3.141452.6937@news.acns.nwu.edu> learn@speedy.acns.nwu.edu (William J. Vajk) writes:
>But it seems you have done even worse, you have left the impression that
>I am pro-boycott, indeed there is lots of reason to understand, from your
>article, that I initiated this entire thread.

I, too, had that impression. Perhaps it's because you came across that way
when you added news.groups to the discussion, and that was the first I'd seen
of the subject.

>Apparently you'd have done much better had you read the original articles in 
>the thread. At least you'd have understood what was being said without 
>misattributing ideas. You could never have replied as you have had you read 
>my article.

The least you could have done when importing this thread to news.groups was to
*state* that you didn't agree with it. I _can't_ read the original articles;
they've long since expired off my server.

>I expect a public retraction, Terry.

Bwahahahahaha. You're as likely to get it as alice!jj is to get the ones he
keeps demanding...i.e., not at all.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
 "Keep in mind that Amateur Radio As We Know It Today will cease to exist
            at midnight tonight." -- Dave Newkirk, WJ1Z
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,co.general,nyx.mis
From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Subject: Re: Back to Taxes again (was Re: Want _Your_ Blood to Boil too
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 01:26:24 GMT

Others said
# I missed the beginning of this threat.  Could someone summarize 
# what "back to taxes again" has to do with alt.bbs.ads?

Nothing.
After all, this *IS* UseNet. You expect the the Subject: line
to relate to the material at hand?
--
A host is a host from coast to coast..wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.censorship,rec.audio
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: The Stamp Act and the DAT tax
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:29:19 GMT

yeidel@tomar.accs.wsu.edu (Joshua Yeidel) writes:

>What I don't understand is, why there's any political benefit
>in the DAT tax.
[...]

Congress votes for (and the President signs) a bill that gives money
to record companies, record companies give money to Congress (and the
President).

- Carl
--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.censorship,rec.audio
From: doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey)
Subject: Re: The Stamp Act and the DAT tax
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 04:53:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.195347.21365@rdg.dec.com> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>This proposed DAT tax is neither.  Rather, it is a use of the government's
>taxing powers to collect royalty fees for private individuals and
>organizations.  

"What royalty fees?" you may wonder, since we're talking about blank audio
tapes.  Why the royalties that will be lost by the big record companies
when you criminally copy CDs onto DATs and give them away or sell them,
that's what royalty fees.  

Most of the big record companies are now Japanese owned.  So, we pay the tax,
and the gov bundles up most of it and sends it to Japan.

There's lots of reasons to oppose the DAT tax.

By the way, the senate passed the Audio Home Recording Act of 1991 on June
17 by voice vote, so don't bother trying to find out how your senator voted.
It still has to go through the house.

  Thanks awfully,
             Patrick

Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,co.general,nyx.mis
From: kdenning@portal.hq.videocart.com (Karl Denninger)
Subject: Re: Back to Taxes again (was Re: Want _Your_ Blood to Boil too
Summary: I said DEFENSE! :-)
Organization: VideOcart Inc.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:07:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.232954.28765@ncar.ucar.edu> woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.171416.28262@portal.hq.videocart.com> kdenning@portal.hq.videocart.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
>>We are also taxed today at over THREE TIMES that rate which was sufficient to 
>>provoke revolution 200 years ago.
>
>The tax rate was not what provoked the revolution; it was the refusal
>of the British government to grant the American colonies representation in
>Parliament. "No taxation WITHOUT REPRESENTATION".

Yeah, well, tell me how well I'm (or you) are represented today... :-)

>>I'll gladly pay for the common defense of the country
>
>Me too, but I don't consider most of what is done with our "defense"
>budget to have much to do with common defense.  How does it "defend"
>us to be over there attacking Iraq? Even if Hussein is a slimeball,
>you can't call this 'defense'.

Heh, I said DEFENSE, not "blast 'em 'cause we're the BIG BAD American Army
and we can kick anyone's tail....and kidnap 'em while we're at it!"

--
Karl Denninger 		Inet:  kdenning@hq.videocart.com
VideOcart Inc.		Voice: (312) 987-5022

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From: philg@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Philip Greenspun)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.censorship,rec.audio
Subject: Re: The Stamp Act and the DAT tax
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:27:46 GMT
	<1992Aug26.045352.19855@cbnewse.cb.att.com>
	<1992Aug27.175440.21504@serval.net.wsu.edu>
	<1992Aug28.022919.7915@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
Reply-To: philg@martigny.ai.mit.edu
Followup-To: comp.org.eff.talk
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
In-reply-to: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu's message of 28 Aug 92 02:29:19 GMT


In article <1992Aug28.022919.7915@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:


   >What I don't understand is, why there's any political benefit
   >in the DAT tax.
   [...]

   Congress votes for (and the President signs) a bill that gives money
   to record companies, record companies give money to Congress (and the
   President).

Don't forget that, in the Senate, the bill was passed by "unanimous
consent" so that only one Senator (whoever introduced it at midnight
when the chamber was practically empty) need take any heat at all from
angry constituents.

Thus, to the extent that the politicians are lining their campaign
chests (more properly referred to as IRA accounts since the money
accumulates tax free and they take it home when they retire) and not
getting any negative press, there is political benefit.  If a
newspaper were to ask, the politician can say "I did it to help
struggling American musicians".  The concept that, by doubling the
price of editable digital audio recorders (with the SCMS requirement)
and taxing the blank tape that home recordists use, struggling
musicians will be injured to aid megastars is a little too tough for
most journalists.

So fight this thing, dammit!  Write a letter to George Bush, your
local paper, and your representative.

Philip Greenspun
MIT
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.censorship,rec.audio,soc.history
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: The Stamp Act (was The Stamp Act and the DAT tax)
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:55:53 GMT

winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:


>Actually, the Stamp Act was imposed as a means of having the colonists
>pay for the expense that the British government went through in defending
>them during the French and Indian War.  Such an excise tax, while new in
>the Colonies, had existed for years in England.  It was not an unfair tax
>under English law.  The secessionist movements in the Colonies siezed upon it
>as a useful political and propaganda tool for whipping up opposition to
>British rule.  Their legal arguments were relly pretty bogus.
[...]

The main reason that the colonist opposed the Stamp Act what that
would have set a precedent for taxation without represenation. That it
was a special tax on media was, as you suggest, a secondary reason for
their opposition. (But note that both reasons for opposition to the
Stamp Act influnce current U.S. law.)

- Carl
--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: grady@btr.BTR.COM (Grady Ward  grady@btr.com)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: Using cryptography
Date: 23 Aug 92 14:52:34 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

I recently posted fairly long article to sci.crypt
that implements a simple, but functional RSA
public key application in any version of Stephen
Wolfram's Mathematica application.

The article shows how to easily create             
your own public key of arbitrary length and
to use it to encrypt/decrypt the contents of
a disk file.
                      
Unlike "cryptography" applications, Mathematica    
is not export controlled and, given that it is programmed
in a high-level language that is arithmetician-friendly, 
it can understood and be rather more easily or screened for
Trojan code than a dedicated, compiled "cryptography" application.

Mathematica is also available on a variety of processor platforms.

Implementing a complete RSA in a few lines of MMA instructions
dramatically shows how close the RSA idea is to its underlying
basic arithmetic convolutions.

If interested in this documented code, please e-mail grady@btr.com.


-------------

(* Grady Ward Public Key, Mathematica format [338 decimal digit modulus]*)
e=13278340892377147290021581995910566265630745404772050295976\
531169652074968462728692947088224740474086880014187741018\
827679282936360488374332586621372969992125015540674307926\
963403599898215432920593460759568145460543791116449305640\
269575860706334126070662560984930042322363643567821283666\
166102594784564767603179111052467026453547876550953;

n=20601487053579422679033128126836668550296101243048136963408\
859700715907596530150758174233318688216293109628630361192\
968088290065732167528721908401881409490304922316321979613\
722426616580603195157882720031084346896241421285868732184\
267763239722864343244932750154734013576761572454860859591\
356619745333866669144310472787794900107034134707229;
to send me a private message, e-mail me PowerMod[message,e,n]
From: guay@fraser.sfu.ca (Tim Guay)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: Re- Legion of Doom
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:20:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: sfu.1992Aug31.032052.3819
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

In article <MTPIYTI@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>
>Right now I'm still ticked off at not being able to call myself a Hacker
>any more. People get the wrong idea. Sigh...
>-- 
I for one still call myself a hacker and frankly I don't give a damn what people
think! I am what I am and that's what I am...
From: Bob.Mcgrath@f69.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Mcgrath)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: CURIOUS
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 22:25:17 PST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/69 - TelePeople{sm} Memb, West Adams County

I'm curious about what this BBS specializes in.  
Signed new user.





--  
uucp: uunet!m2xenix!puddle!104!69!Bob.Mcgrath
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Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: LOD T-shirts HELP WANTED!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 00:48:21 GMT

jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick) writes:

>Guys, please remember that he was collecting orders until the end of July.
>He probably didn't place the order for printing the shirts until early this
>month.  I'm waiting on my shirt too, but I'm gonna give them some more time.
>They aren't doing this as a business, so don't expect them to act like one.

    Well, that's fine, but I would be much more trusting had he bothered to
state *some* sort of expected delivery date, post updates and/or send
receipt confirmations to customers, etc etc.  I've ordered t-shirts from
other people on the net and they took the time to keep people informed, so
even when it took a bit longer than expected due to printing errors, people
knew what was going on.

    It's not like we're expecting much, just *one* post letting us know what's
going on with our money.

--
    Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
One of the richest men in the world made his billions selling a toy "operating
system" that is more accurately described as a glorified bootstrap loader.
                                                  -- Phil Karn
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From: grant@bluemoon.rn.com (Grant DeLorean)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,co.general,nyx.mis
Subject: Re: Back to Taxes again (was Re: Want _Your_ Blood to Boil too
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:33:15 GMT
Organization: Blue Moon

rfrenkel@world.std.com (richard frenkel) writes:

>Now while you greedy whiney Republicans have been whining about "Your"
>money, places like Western Europe where a 50% tax rate is commonplace have
>been all overtaking us in productivity and standard of living.  Why?

 Why do you quote the word your? The money I earn is mine, not anyone
elses'. And I would be happy if my total taxes were lowered to 50%, that
is a few points less than now (federal takes 34%, then add in state
and local...).

-- 
\   Grant DeLorean  - IHMSA & NRA Life Member -  (grant@bluemoon.rn.com)   /

   Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.  -- Euripides
From: dl2p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas Allen Luce)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: Re- Legion of Doom
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:55:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.webbOcm00XQGAFs=A6
	<WDQI504@taronga.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
> You're right. You may be a hacker. I don't deny that. I'm just pointing
> out that being a phreak doesn't make one a hacker. And being a hacker
> doesn't make you a phreak.

LANGUAGE IS NOT FACT.

take an english class or something.
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,co.general,nyx.mis
From: thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester)
Subject: Re: Back to ONE vs. IBECC (was Re: Want _Your_ Blood to Boil too
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 22:12:15 GMT


Without repeating everything that's already been said, I only have one
teeny tiny nit to pick with the debate so far.
While the Constitution may have been ratified 200+ years ago, I have
always been under the impression that a real income tax didn't begin until
the year 1913.  
Was that voted upon by the people at that time?

Uncle Fester

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Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Re- Legion of Doom
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:08:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.050429.5362@tic.com> erikb@tic.com (Chris Goggins) writes:
>And Peter:  rest assured, I don't think anyone would ever
>be so brash as to compare you to anything in fear
>of "pissing you off,"  heavens no.

Well, should I ever become a Pagan I'll be sure to let you know.

Right now I'm still ticked off at not being able to call myself a Hacker
any more. People get the wrong idea. Sigh...
-- 
                                                                `-_-'
                         Have you hugged your wolf today?        'U`

Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.allsysop,alt.bbs.ads,co.general,nyx.mis
From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: Back to Taxes again (was Re: Want _Your_ Blood to Boil too
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 08:44:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.232954.28765@ncar.ucar.edu> woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) writes:
>The tax rate was not what provoked the revolution; it was the refusal
>of the British government to grant the American colonies representation in
>Parliament. "No taxation WITHOUT REPRESENTATION".

Well, I pay taxes, but as a non-citizen, I am not allowed to vote.
I guess you must have lost that revolution.
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
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