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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Opinions on dog sleeping arrangements
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:24:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec10.205521.9393@cattnts.canada.ncr.com> sal@cattnts.canada.ncr.com (Sal Magnone) writes:

>
>I would like to know your opinion on pets sleeping in the same room as their 
>owners.  I have read different views on this subject and would like to learn of
>some first hand experience on this subject.

Dogs are, by nature, pack animals.  In some, the pack instinct is stronger
than in others.  However, I think that it is wonderful, and I think that most
dogs really enjoy it.  All of my dogs sleep inside with me.  Some sleep on the
bed with me, some sleep on the floor on their own beds.  I would not have it
any other way.

>
>Please include do's and dont's on the subject.

In my opinion, the question of allowing your dog to sleep in the same room
is a matter of personal preference.  I do not think that there are any 
special problems that this can cause (in fact, I think it is rather 
benificial, both to dog and owner).  If the dog or dogs are poorly socialized
and badly trained, having them in the same room at night will cause problems.
However, not simply because the dog is sleeping in the same room, but
because of the other problems.

Since I feel that the matter is entirely one of personal preference, the only
do's and don'ts that occur to me is that one should be consistent.  If you
do not want the dog to sleep in your room, do not allow it to do so. If
you do not want your dog to jump on or sleep on your bed, do not allow it
on the bed -- ever. I would encourage you to give your dog his/her own bed
(pillow or pad) next to your bed.  Most dogs like their own space anyway, and
this gives them the ability to have this space, plus be near the rest of the
pack at night.  If you do not mind your dog(s) on your bed, great, however 
you should still set up their own area as well.  My dogs all have their own
beds, but they do get up and sleep with me in my bed as well.  

Before I would let any dog roam around the house at night unsupervised, the
dog would have to be trustworthy, not just housebroken, but trustworthy
in that I know that the dog will not destroy things while I am asleep.  Certainly
puppies should be crate trained, and when fully trained, then a decision as to
where the dog will be allowed to sleep can be made.  Most dogs prefer to 
either continue in their crates, or like a pillow or pad in the same spot
that their crates used to be.

Just my 0.02.

>
>
>Thanks is advance
>Sal. (parent of Mojo)
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hardwood Floors and Dogs
From: jf@pacnet.wesleyan.edu (JOHN FINN)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:22:58 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University, Middletown, CT USA

In article <1992Dec17.222315.8779@inel.gov> kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook) writes:

>We're remodeling our older house and would like to remove the carpet and
>refinish the hardwood floors.  My only concern is how this might affect 
>my dogs.  They love to run and chase each other all over the house and
>I'm worried that the new floors will be to slick and they may hurt themselves.
>I also once heard that slick floors can agravate/cause? hip dysplasia.
>I've also heard that the dogs may scratch the floors although I keep their
>nails trimmed back. Does anyone have experience with dogs on hardwoods is
>this a bad idea?

>Thanks for any insights,

Hi,

We clip the nails on our lab/shep mix and boston, and neither seems to have 
much of a problem concerning slickness. Scratching, however, has been a 
problem, even though the floors have been poly'd--the oak floors stand up 
well, but the fir floors are sort of "cratered."

Good luck!

John E. Finn
Wesleyan University
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Dogs walking Dogs ?!?!?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:02:51 GMT

In <7565@dove.nist.gov> glenn@sloth.ncsl.nist.gov writes:

>We have a dog in the neighborhood that will ONLY walk himself.
>When on a leash he is miserable.  He pulls, stops, whines, etc.
>But if the owner puts part of the leash in the dog's mouth, he's
>as happy as can be.  It's a hillarious sight watching this dog
>walking himself and his owner (sometimes he turns around and pulls
>his owner along).

Hershe does this, though she's fairly mannerly on leash all the time.
But you can see that gleam in her eye that says "Hey!  I can walk
*myself* you know!"

But I thought the funniest was when she walked *another* dog's leash.
She controlled him, too, though since she weighed twice what he did
that wasn't hard.

Dominant little bitch...cute though!

--Cindy
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In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
From: bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Opinions on breed.
Summary: I should read all the news 1st
Keywords: large dogs apartments
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:01:20 GMT
Reply-To: bws20@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article: <a6qn02Wd2ffA01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>

I jumped up on a soapbox and responded to Chris Barnes regarding dogs in
apartments.  Then I finished catching up on the news, and found I was
about the 47th person to do so.  Man, I hate it when that happens.

Chris, I didn't realize it when I wrote it that I was jumping on the
bandwagon, and I hope it doesn't seem as if I was just trying to get
in a few licks.  I still stand by comments, of course, but it sure
seems like overkill now.


bws

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From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Australian Shepherds (or Shepards?)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 15:02:38 GMT



I was just told that the AKC is going to recognize Australian Shepherds
(or Shepards, I'm going to look this up) as an official breed on January
1st, 1993.      


Jamie

the pack:  Kenzie   -- 1 yr old black Lab X
           Meggin   -- 8 month old Australian Shepherd X
           Harrison -- 4 month old Border Collie X

the herd:  Kieri -- 5 1/2 yr old lilac point Siamese
           Zak   -- 5 1/2 yr old blue point Siamese
           Duke  -- 1 yr old seal point Siamese



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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu 
Subject: Re: Dog laws
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:32:00 GMT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University Computing Services, Norman, OK

In article <1992Dec14.225017.5361@inel.gov>, kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson) writes...
> 
> 
>The town I live in has a weird law about dogs, and I was wondering if
>this is common or not.  If you own more than 2 dogs over 6 months of
>age you have to get a "kennel license" -- this applies whether or not
>you are a breeder (which I am definitely not).  To get this license you
>have to ask everyone who lives within 100 feet of your property line
>to sign a petition saying they have no objections to your getting this
>license.  If 75% of these people sign it then you pay $25 for a kennel
>license which is good for one year.  This whole process, including the
>petition and the $25, must be repeated each year.  I wonder what would
>happen if someone had 3 or more dogs and their neighbors refused to 
>sign the petition?  I personally would sue the city.
> 
>In any case, is this a weird local law or does this occur all over?  I
>just got my last signature last night to reach 75% (I only had one
>person say no, and I may ask why if I ever see her again -- but right
>now I don't need her signature), so at least I'm done for this year.
> 
>By the way, there is no corresponding law for cats.
> 
Hi!
	This is basically the exact same law that the city I live in has 
(Norman, Ok).  There is also no corresponding law for cats.  There is a
2 dog limit and if you want more, you have to declare yourself as a kennel,
have a specified yard size and fence size and get all the appropriate
signatures. 
	 I live in a pretty crummy neighborhood where everyone keeps
to themselves so I have just basically pretended that I don't know about this
law.  I've never had any neighbors complain about my dogs (and I'm two dogs
over the limit!) but I keep them indoors whenever we're away and I clean up
the yard every day.  I also walk all four of them every morning and I've
had police stop just to chat to me about them.  So I guess the law exists
here just in case someone gets out of control but I've never heard of it
being enforced.  Thank goodness!

............................................................................
Kathy Greenwood                | Mom to 
Math Major (believe it or not!)|   Loucha and Landry (Belgian Sheepdogs)
University of Oklahoma         |   Ruger (English Springer Spaniel)
                               |   Elsa (German Wirehair Pointer)
.............................................................................
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Opinions on breed.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:47:45 GMT

In <1992Dec17.160309.1893@msus1.msus.edu> kevin@msus1.msus.edu writes:

>In article <168C0CDCC.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu>, CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>> .soapbox off

>So lets see...my options are none?  If I hunt, live in the city, and can't
>afford to buy a house I can't have a hunting dog or in your opinion any dog?

>I see.
>Is this the opinion of most of you netters?

No.

--Cindy
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Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

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In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Welsh Corgis Part 2
Date: 13 Dec 1992 06:38:21 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
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: On 12-07-92, Sparky wrote to ALL:

: > I don't know the difference between Pembroke and Cardigan corgis.
: > The ones I saw at a dog show (which stole my heart) wear brown and
: > white, short-haired, and smooth-haired.  What IS the difference?

Pembrokes are have shorter backs, longer legs and little or no tail.
Cardigans also have a slightly larger ear and come in blue merle in addition
to the other colors.

: > Where could I find either?
: > How much do they cost?  (I've seen ads ranging from $250-$475.)

Here is the contact for the Lakeshore Pembroke Welsh Corgi Club Rescue
League:
	Terri Swaim
	135 Tall Pine Lane
	Ortonville MI 48462
	313.627.3723
These people find homes for PWC's in need.  They will interview you, as
they want to find the right home for each dog.  Don't let this put 
you off; they want these dogs to go to good permanent homes.  They also
temperament test the dogs.

: > To get to our backyard, there are about 14 steps. How are corgis at
: > negotiating steps (with their little sawed-off legs and all)?

My first dog was a PWC.  She never had any problems.  If the dog has an
overly long back they might have slight difficulties.

Do remember that corgis are a herding dog, bred to herd cattle.  They
can be feisty, and many still retain herding instinct.  I got my
corgi when I was five and her herd consisted of my playmates.  If 
someone had to go home, my parents had to let them out of the yard--
otherwise Toy would not let them go.  Very often herding instinct shows
up as nipping at heels.  As long as you realize what it is and provide the 
dog with another outlet (like obedience, actual herding, etc.) for that
desire to do something it is not a problem.

Corgis are a big dog in a small package.  There is even a PWC with
a Schutzhund II title. He did have to pass up the 6 foot wall though :)

Karen
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs and bedding
Date: 15 Dec 1992 21:29:19 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Ross Whitaker (whitaker@verdi.cs.unc.edu) wrote:
: Hi all,

: Several threads in this group have been talking about sleeping
: arrangements for dogs, and most people say "and of course a blanket".
: I would like to put a blanket or carpet in our dog's cage, but
: he shreads anything I put in their with him.  I make sure that
: he has plenty of toys, but he inevitable turns to the blanket, 
: even at night.

The only thing that has lasted for Random is the brute pad from the Unreal
Lambskin Company.  We had a cordura covered pad which lasted for a while. 
Then she found the zipper.  The brute pad only comes in a couple of sizes.
One is about 20x30 and fits nicely in the bottom of a 400 varikennel.
The next size is bigger than the floor of my 204 general cage crate, so I just
smush it in.  The pads are a double thick fake sheepskin type, with whip
stitched edging.  The material is not supposed to unravel either.  Random
digs and chews on it, but so far so good.

: Currently he sleeps on the bare metal tray that sits in the bottom of the
: cage (don't worry, he's plenty warm).  Any suggestions?  Should
: I put something in their and replace it as he shreds it?  Won't
: this encourage shredding?  We tried a piece of carpet (bad idea!) and
: it only encouraged him to shred carpets elsewhere in the house.
: I tried spraying a blanket with bitter apple and putting it in their,
: and he freaked out when we told him to go to his cage.  I forced
: him in, and he eventually turned to shredding the treated bedding
: (although selectively and with less vigor).

: Although the shredding is a pain in the $%&@#, I have to say, it
: is fascinating to watch - he's very good at it.
 
I leave Random with a toy in her crate.  When she's out , I keep an eye on
her.  If she starts on something she's not supposed to have, I tell her No!
and give her toy to her.  Then she is praised for chewing on her toy.  I
also take away the incorrect item.  Random is learning.  It is slow, since
she has so many possibilities to try out. :)

Karen


From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:28:27 GMT
Subject: Re: what's too cold.
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

Hi Sharon,

I live in the same area you do.  I would recommend observing your dog for one
week-- turn the heat on and see if it lays by the heating duct.  I have a
healthy Irish Setter and she lays right in front of the duct.  She sleeps in
the house, and has a blanket and a pillow on the floor to sleep on, so we
don't do anything more.  But then, our house never goes below 60 degrees.  I
would recommend putting an old sweatshirt on your dog at night if you let
your house get really cold.

On the subject of letting your house get really cold, I took an upholstery
and drape-making class once and they said that it's bad to let your house
go below 55 degrees because it causes more changes inside in terms of
moisture getting into your furniture and drapes and carpets, and in the long
run you will end up needing to replace them sooner.  FYI......

Do you know about the dog park in San Bruno?  Reply if it is of interest to you

Diane
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From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: UPDATE: Fang and possible cancer
Comment-To: Susan_B._Sinnott@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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  Congratulations on Fang's recovery.  Guess it Does pay to shop
around.
--- FMail 0.92
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From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Welcome, Bianca
Summary: Mom's new dog, lots of questions
Keywords: adult poodle, helpful hints wanted
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:37:28 GMT
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

A couple of months ago, my mother had to put her white toy poodle Mickey
to sleep.  He had an inoerable brain tumor, and was having seizures and
difficulty breathing.   Sunday, I drove my mother to a neighboring town
to meet Bianca.  Bianca is a 3 year old black (in spite of her name, which
means white) toy poodle.  According to her breeder, even though Bianca is
show quality, at 10.5 inches she's too big to show, so the breeder had
been breeding her.  Her third litter was weaned a month ago.  As her third
litter consisted of one puppy, delivered by ceasarean, her breeder
decided to find her a good home as a pet.

Enter my mother.  She spent about an hour with Bianca, and took her home.
Bianca is absolutely gorgeous and sweet (and I don't even particularly like
tiny dogs, as a class).  My mother is an experienced dog owner, but she's
never taken an adult dog before.  So, I have some questions for all you
experts:

Bianca is very bonded to her breeder.  She did obviously hit it off well
with my mother, but I wonder if anyone has any helpful hints for helping
the bonding process.  (My mother hasn't paid for her yet, and has her on a
6 week approval: if she and Bianca can't bond, she'll go back to the breeder,
otherwise Mom will send the breeder a check).

The breeder told us that the smaller the dog, the longer the lifespan
(in general).  Does anyone know what the usual lifespan is for toy
poodles?

Bianca's been a house dog, and but the extent of her training (beside 
being housebroken) is 'Yes', 'No', and 'Down'.  My mother's going to take
her to an obedience class as soon as she's settled in, but I'd like some 
recommendations on books on training mostly untrained adult dogs.
(It seems like she'll be reasonably easy to train:  she's never had a collar
on her in her life, but Mom put a collar and leash on her yesterday and
took her for a walk, and Bianca behaved very well.)

Thanks in advance,         
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From: "brien hansen" <brien.hansen@canrem.com>
Subject: help with beagle
Reply-To: "brien hansen" <brien.hansen@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:14:00 EST

I am new to the crs in Toronto and have just come upon this conference
and I hope that this is where I can get some info.   I have recently
purchased a Beagle pub of 3 months and have begun to toilet train him -
it is frustrating at times - I know all dogs are challenged by this
initially.  Is there anybody out there who can perhaps give me some
helpful suggestions as we continue with this huge task.  Also if anybody
has any info or interesting pointers in raising this breed it would be
great to hear from you.  Thanks greatly for all your info.
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From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Netiquette
Comment-To: Ruth_Ginzberg@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
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  As it happened to me recently that something sent to me by Email was
INADVERTANTLY reproduced on this board, I am guessing you are
referring to me.  In fact, I explained to the guy two days ago that I
did not intentionally send off a private message, and he saw fit to
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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: BRO in MA
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:28:39 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Shai Guday (shaig@Think.COM) wrote:
: I would appreciate it if anyone knowing of a BRO in my area
: would forward me the details on how to contact them.  Our
: pet passed away about half a year ago and I think it is about
: time we made the effort to get another dog.

: We are undecided with regard to the breed but we would prefer
: short haired medium to large sized dogs over long haired ones.
: On the other hand we would probably take in a long haired dog
: if the chemistry was right.


: 	Shai

What is a BRO?

Karen
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Mushing Equipment Catalog/Info
Date: 15 Dec 92 20:26:22 GMT


I've seen Black Ice mentioned, so I won't bother with them.  Here are some
others you might want to consider:

Konari Outfitters
PO Box 752
Middlebury, VT 05753
(802)388-7447

Alpine Outfitters
PO Box 245
Roy, WA 98580
(206) 843-2767

Windigo Outfitters
R.R. 1
Box 275
Swisher, Iowa 52338
(319) 848-4449

Nordkyn Outfitters
PO Box 1023 
Graham, WA 98338
(206) 847-4128

Risdon Rigs
PO Box 127
Laingsburg, Michigan 48848
(517) 651-6960

Adanac Sleds & Equipment
4108 Hwy 93 N
Kalispell, MT 59901

Resha Sled Dog Equipment
H.C.#1-5
Box 101
Lewis Run, PA 16739
(814)362-3048

Of these I have ordered from Konari, Alpine Outfitters, Nordkyn, Adanac, and
Resha.  I highly recommend Alpine Outfitters because they have the best
fitting harnesses and are FAST!  I also am very pleased with the sled I got
from Adanac (although it took a while for them to build it)


Good luck!
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