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From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Strange Morse Code!
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:34:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Gregg,

Cool, somebody replied in French,

If you know about Chris deBurgh and Saga, then a) either you spent
some time in Canada or in Montreal (listening to CHOM FM), or the
symbiotic link between Montreal and Boston due to the classic 
Canadiens-Bruins rivalry is stronger than I thought.  You should
know that it Montreal, the only way to be considered a respectable
hockey fan if you are not a Habs fan is to be a Bruins fan.

Okay, Gregg, taking up the Hines string.  A) On Roll the Bones, I find that 
Alex's guitar work is too processed and to mixed.  The guitar on Ghost of a
Chance, for example, sounds extremely overprocessed, Secondly, Neil's 
drumming is extremely dull, he's just keeping time, nothing really exciting.

B) On Presto and Roll the Bones, I hind that the acoustic stuff is used mainly
on bridges and choruses and is really far back in the mix (guitar-wise that is), anything else acoustic (such as the pianos) is so over-processed as to sound
almost synthetic.
Personally, I find that the best uses of synthesizers on Rush albums are on
Moving Pictures, which strikes a good balance between guitar and synths, and
Grace Under Pressure, in which the Synths are used creatively and really reflect
the subject matter of the songs.

'Nuff said.

Chris Tsirbas
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Ozzy:last show, acronyms
From: bnalexander@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 26 Sep 92 02:50:19 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

Yup,
what's up.  Two things, pleeze... Can anyone tell me what N.I.B. and S.A.T.O.
stand for?  I've been wanting to know for years, although I'm not really an
Ozzy fan anymore.  Also, because the Oz holds a special place of nostalgia
in my heart I'd love to know what's up with his last show.  Has it happened
yet?  Will (or was) it be broad cast or made into a video? What is the date
of it and how can I see it?

Thanks much.  Please reply to me email since I'm not a regular reader of this
group.

Take care,
Brian
bnalexander@miavx1
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Analog Kid - Digital Man
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:31:53 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Oct5.191716.18695@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> fes9s@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Frank Erick Sellin) writes:
>In article <16877B371.PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater) writes:

>>>>What is the connection, if any between the songs "Analog Kid" and "Digital
>>>>Man" on _Signals_? The names obviously imply some kind of relationship, but
>>>>from the lyrics alone I don't really see anything. Perhaps a general longing
>>>>to escape from the pressures of life? That seems weak.
>>>>--Ethan

>>>a _contrast_ between the two: analog/digital, kid/man. Right?

>I always got the impression that analog in this context really meant the
>good old days: when everything blended together into some sort of holistic
>synergy;  you remember what it was like in childhood and the kind of
>energy and dreams you used to have, all blended together, but the problem
>is the memory you have on tape tends to fade a bit over time.  Very 
>nostalgic to be sure.


I really like this idea of it being related to memory in this way
-- very nice! It sure goes along with the relation being one of
contrast. The connection is looking stronger to me now...


>  Digital man suddenly realizes he's got
>to kick his life into gear if he hope to capture anything at all
>approaching his analog childhood. Thus the date with fate in a black
>sedan, and the longing for lover's wings to fly on to a tropic isle
>of Avalon.


I'm not so convinced about this part, though...


>BTW the last par kinda confused me. Avalon is the mystic kingdom isel
>of Arthurian times, right? What the hell is it doing in the tropics?


I think that Avalon is just a metaphor here, and he really wants to
go to Aruba or some such place...






Gregg


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From: PRAETHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Ethan Evan Prater)
Subject: Re: Neil's depth (was Re: neil's cross?)
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 18:18:21 EDT

In article <1992Oct01.212847.4361@bnr.ca>
therese@crchh588.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Therese McCarthy) writes:
>
>With all this talk about Neil's deepness (lyrics and such), I
>was wondering what songs, written by Neil, would people consider
>to be pure fluff?  In other words, what songs qualify as having
>no deep insights or REAL thought-provoking subjects?
>
>I guess the only one I can think of off-hand is "I Think I'm
>Going Bald".  Also, songs from the first album don't count because
>Geddy wrote them......
>
>Therese  (therese@bnr.ca)
 
Tai-Shan? It's about the most gratuitous, masturbatory fluff I've had the
displeasure of hearing Rush record. Not to knock Neil too much, but this idea
of climbing the mountaintop in China and writing a song like that is trite, I
think.
 
"China sang to me ... a song of eternity." Puhleeeeze.
 
Don't get me wrong--Neil is certainly the best rock lyricist I know (but I'm
not *that* into rock music in general), and I even spend time analyzing his
lyrics, when I'm not studying for my intro philosophy class. Tai-Shan blows,
but I'm hard pressed to think of another.
 
--Ethan
 
    "The sign of Eth is rising in the air..."
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: sgi50692@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (SHREDDER)
Subject: Re: RTB Rap
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:45:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep26.145732.18985@news.iastate.edu> irsman@iastate.edu (That Ian Guy) writes:
>us fans.  A rap is simply one way to pull this off.  Besides, IMHO its better
>than your average (c)rap...cool guitar licks, real acoustic drums, no lyrics
>involving raping and pillaging women, etc, etc. :) 
        
      Real acoustic drums in the RTB rap?!? Where?
From: ericm@eebbs.isis.org (Eric Mathurin)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Misprints
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:24:16 GMT
Organization: Electronic Encounters BBS

djd@csg.cs.reading.ac.uk (David J Dawkins) writes:

> 	"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"
> This is printed as 
> 	"If you choose not to decide, you cannot have made a choice" 

This is probably in the FAQ, but... Neil says that he takes great
pains to make sure the written lyrics are correct.  So, basically,
they're both correct.

> This is also a copy with the newspaper headlines blanked out.

It's the same in mine with the headline intact.

Take care,
Eric

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From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Ayn Rand & The Simpsons (10/1)
Keywords: relevance to Rush in question
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:12:41 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <1992Oct2.002403.1069@ultb.isc.rit.edu> pga0625@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:

>         I'm not sure how many of you saw The Simpsons this evening but
>    there were some references to Ayn Rand.  Maggie was sent to a day care
>    center called "Ayn Rand's School for Tots".  That sign was displayed
>    three times, and once the manager of the day care center read a book
>    titled "The Fountainhead Diet".  

And on the wall of one room inside was a poster saying ``A is A''.
The portrayal of Objectivism in the show was IMHO not positive,
not that I really care one way or the other...


Gregg


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From: root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: new to RUSH and still li
Date: 5 Oct 1992 04:12:03 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
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Phil.Hodges@f601.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Phil Hodges) writes:

>"...A Gruesome, talking to All, said about 'new to RUSH and still lis' ":
>___--------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>hey all, i'm /was the guy who said he was new to this RUSH stuff

>>right now i'm kinds floating on 'La Villa Strangiato' (killing it,
>>actually) 'Tom Sawyer', 'Sprite of Radio', 'YYZ' (hate the drum solo
>>@##!!), 'Freewill', 'The Trees'...'2112 Overture' 'Temple of Syrinx'
>>and some other stuff......

>   "Sprite of Radio" ???? Don't you mean "Spirit of Radio"? Of course
>you do.  What does "kinds floating" mean?

>>where can i ftp RUSH lyrics...so i can get more into the words..

>   Sorry, I'm not familiar with `ftp'.  BUT, you can pick up some sheet
>music books, like "The Complete Rush," which is complete up to Signals.
>Or, most of the albums/CD's have the lyrics.


ahh the complete rush is up to PoW, at least the Warner Bros sheets i
have...great for keys players like me, not so good for gtr...
>___
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Adam
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: To Be OR Not To Be A RUSH Fan
Date: 28 Sep 92 18:43:37 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <28SEP199212083873@rosie.uh.edu> inde7lo@rosie.uh.edu (92F02544) writes:


> My roommates for example -- one was a country/western fan, the other 
>was a dance/industrial fan[...]

> My roommates heard the rap and were on the 
>floor laughing, shooting all my claims to hell.  In fact, they listened to 
>the CD for their limited attention spans (about a week) saying that Rush 
>finally produced something of any worth.  If you ask them why they like it:
>"Because it's got a cool beat".  They were getting into "Bravado" and 
>"Ghost of a Chance".  When Rush moves down to the level where these
>guys like it, something's wrong.


This is an argument from elitism, and these other people have limited
tastes. Now you seem to be upset that Rush did somethings that those
people like, which is moving away from your tastes. Your liking it 
less for that reason alone just makes you like a conservative elitist.


>  Even though I still love Rush and their
>music, I loved them a lot more when you had to spend months to figure out
>a certain N. Peart riff or a G. Lee lick.  A time when everyone else was
>saying, "What the hell are you listening to?  It sounds like crap!" and
>you could mumble to yourself, "you just wouldn't understand".  I have 
>nothing against the mainstream public liking Rush's music now, but I don't
>think these people appreciate Rush for their extraordinary talent but 
>because "it's got a cool beat".

Sure, but maybe they'll _learn_ something. :) We all have to start
somewhere...



Gregg



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From: pga0625@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Paul G. Ackerman, III)
Subject: Ayn Rand & The Simpsons (10/1)
Reply-To: pga0625@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:24:03 GMT


         I'm not sure how many of you saw The Simpsons this evening but
    there were some references to Ayn Rand.  Maggie was sent to a day care
    center called "Ayn Rand's School for Tots".  That sign was displayed
    three times, and once the manager of the day care center read a book
    titled "The Fountainhead Diet".  
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Rochester, New York, USA|pga0625@ultb.isc.rit.edu  |               - N. Peart
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Great Moments / Emotive
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:16:23 GMT

	Just thought I'd add my $2/100.  I think I have two favorite moments
	in Rush songs.  The best (all IMHO, of course) is the line:
		"For you is it movement
			or is it action?
		Is it contact
			or just reaction?
		revolution
			or just resistance?
		Is it living
			or just existance?"
	From "The Enemy Within"

Next comes:

		"And If the music stops
			There's only the sound of the Rain
		All the hope and the glory
			All the sacrifice in vain
		If love remains
			Though everything is lost
		We will pay the price
			But we will not count the cost"
	From "Bravado"

	I guess many people have certain parts of songs that just seem to
	blow them away.  Those are mine!

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From: tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: neil's cross?
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:24:00 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Gregg Yaeger writes:

All the worse for you, IMHO. _You_ forgot the `real relation' and
gave into mainstream rock-n-roll behavior, it seems to me.

_____________________________

Gregg,

I have not forgotten 'the underlying theme'

It seems to me that Rush is a band that likes to take current musical trends, 
integrates them into their music and makes their music a cut above the rest.
Unfortunately, most mainstream music today is pretty lame so Rush is trying 
to improve on the inherent lameness of the current music scene.  Also, it seems
to me that Neil's lyrics have gotten really boring and that he is repeating
himself.  IMHO opinion, the Pass is "Tom Sawyer having a Nervous Breakdown",
Anagram and Roll the Bones are simply rehashes of the "Why I am an
atheist" theme, which I think that Bertrand Russell covered pretty well de-
cades ago.  Finally, I think that their choice of Rupert Hine as a producer
says it all:  You can't get more mainstream than Rupert Hine, who, IMHO, has
really done a good job at giving Rush the coldest sound they have ever had.  

Chris in Montreal
tsirbac@brise.ere.umontreal.ca
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I think it's time that Rush took this advice to heart.
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From: v114r6tl@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Thomas P McBride)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: The worst Rush song
Date: 27 Sep 92 17:32:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <cgkqbrlt@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, esuqs@warwick.ac.uk (Warren Lynn) writes...
>Scars.
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: RTB drumming
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:50:23 GMT
Organization: Boston University Physics Department

In article <uslave.718081817@mcl> uslave@mcl.ucsb.edu (Sir Prize!!!) writes:

>In <BvHE8o.3Dt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner) writes:
>> I remember Neil saying in an interview that he always
>>looked forward to playing Tom Sawyer in concert, because he feels that it's
>>hard to play, and it is like a test for him to see if he hasn't "lost it".
>>Also the end od Barchetta is hard with his right hand on the ride 
>>cymbal.  I can't get mine to go that fast!  :)

>As a drummer myself, I think the second half of Hyperspace from Natural Science
>is harder to play than both Tom Sawyer and Red Barchetta.  I have little
>trouble playing Tom Sawyer...

I suppose it depends on what you consider `playing' Tom Sawyer. I recall
that what Neil finds difficult about Tom Sawyer is not the amount of
agility it requires so much as the amount of energy it requires -- when
Neil plays Tom Sawyer he _really_ puts alot of power into his playing.
I seem to recall his saying that while they were recording TS in the
studio he went through several drum heads because of how hard he was
hitting the drums (to get a tone that can only be gotten by deforming
the heads _alot_). Remember Neil's a big guy too!


Gregg

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From: Phil.Hodges@f601.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Phil Hodges)
Sender: postmaster@therose.pdx.com
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: new to RUSH and still li
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1992 00:05:12 -0700

"...A Gruesome, talking to All, said about 'new to RUSH and still lis' ":
___--------------------------------------------------------------------------

>hey all, i'm /was the guy who said he was new to this RUSH stuff

>right now i'm kinds floating on 'La Villa Strangiato' (killing it,
>actually) 'Tom Sawyer', 'Sprite of Radio', 'YYZ' (hate the drum solo
>@##!!), 'Freewill', 'The Trees'...'2112 Overture' 'Temple of Syrinx'
>and some other stuff......

   "Sprite of Radio" ???? Don't you mean "Spirit of Radio"? Of course
you do.  What does "kinds floating" mean?

>where can i ftp RUSH lyrics...so i can get more into the words..

   Sorry, I'm not familiar with `ftp'.  BUT, you can pick up some sheet
music books, like "The Complete Rush," which is complete up to Signals.
Or, most of the albums/CD's have the lyrics.

___
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From: eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: vo vo vo vo cal
Date: 30 Sep 1992 12:17:33 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: eam3@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric A. Meyer)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tbeaudoin@vax1.umkc.edu () says:

>	"having his hands so busy"?  i would assume that Geddy records the
>vocal tracks SEPARATE from the bass tracks. in fact, much later than the 
>bass tracks..

   This is true now.  Back when Permanent Waves was recorded, the band sat
in a studio and played the songs as a band.  (See the "Limelight" video.)
No multi-track overdub ultra-mix post production.  Played together.  I wish
they still did things that way, but they're the ones making the music, so
I guess they can do whatever the Hell they want.

		-EMeyer

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From: jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: circle, star, nude man (?)
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:11:29 GMT
Reply-To: jagrizza@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte

In article 1arecnINNsm6@uwm.edu, industry@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Mark A Bialik) writes:
>So what do you all think the pentagram and naked man represent (Archives,
>2112, Exit....)?  Fear of the devil?

pardon me, but that's *NOT* a pentagram.  Second of all, it's not inverted, so it
wouldn't represent the devil at all...

I don't know what it represents, but I know that I like it... :>
From: root@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (System PRIVILEGED Account)
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
Subject: Re: Neil's drumming
Date: 5 Oct 1992 04:06:06 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

[much extremely cool discussion deleted]

the drummer in the band i am in {shameless plug coming up} called King's
Ransom thinks that Mr Peart is a cyborg, thats right a cyborg...because
he is able to play sooooooo accurately :-)

seriously...the end of the solo in TS where neil is going around the
toms (love the sound of those Tama concert toms BTW) and doing the roll
on the double kicks is AWESOME!!!!!!

the Drummer i play with uses almost exactly the same kit as neil did on
MP/Sig... except its chrome....Tama Grandstar about A$ 10000 + Zildjian
cymbals, the whole shebang....

it is a fantasy of mine to be able to play some of their stuff with a
band :-) not much call for it in OZ :-(, but we jam rush songs every now
an then....as i am a keys player, sig etc are my faves...although i get
to do percussion parts on some songs when we play them (esp the Trees,
Xanadu)

Anyway bye for now

Adam
Newsgroups: alt.music.rush
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Neil's depth (was Re: neil's cross?)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 06:24:07 GMT

In article <D40374W.92Oct5224224@kaira.hut.fi> d40374w@kaira.hut.fi (Tero Valkonen) writes:
>In article <1am7mkINNqgm@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu> fjs@nighthawk.ksu.ksu.edu (Frank J Sereno) writes:
>
>   If I may ask, why do you think that By-Tor and the Snow Dog, Cynus 
>   X-1, and Countdown are such "stupid and yuck(y)" songs.  Not that I
>   don't respect your opinion, but I was curious as to a more detailed explanation.
>
>Countdown: Neil's attempt at eloquence is ridiculous. "This magic day when
>the super-science mingles with the bright stuff of dreams" Oh, gimme a break!
>Most of the lines are like this: pretentious and silly. "Excitement so thick -
>you could cut it with a knife" is particularly dumb in my opinion.
>By-Tor and the Snow Dog: Well, the story just doesn't appeal to me. It 
>isn't particularly stupid or anything, but I get the feeling that Neil wrote
>it just for the heck of it. It has no soul. 
	I like this song, because, like a lot of Neil's songs, he takes
a subject that has really never been used and makes a viable song out of it.
All art is basically pretentious and silly, but the meter, and idiomatic
devices used by Neil are rather impressive.

>Cygnus X-1: Again, Neil's "eloquence" is silly. The rhymes are not clever
>at all. The "I set a course <...> the Black Hole gains control" part would
>be better if it were prose. But as a piece of lyric, it doesn't work at all.
>Hemispheres, on the other hand, is a nice continuation to this story. Again,
>I get the feeling "Let's write something. Ok. About what? About a journey
>through a black hole. Wow, that sounds good to me. Ok, here we go..." - that
>is, writing just for the heck of it. 
Bad Song!!!!

>--
>Tero Valkonen
>d40374w@kaira.hut.fi


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