From: mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: >>Theft of land
Reply-To: mokaba@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:44:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.045805.202083@uctvax.uct.ac.za>, hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:
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>>  hllhar01@uctvax.uct.ac.za o bolela are:
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>>> Again, I have no problem with all this, except that it doesn't
>>>  I am not making any attempt at protecting
>>> Apartheid legislation, I'm merely pointing out that it didn't make
>>> such a large difference on a grand scale. 

  "APARTHEID DID NOT CAUSE RACIAL INEQUALITY IN THIS COUNTRY....."	
Welcome to land of frozen development.. can you assume what would have 
happened if aparheid did not allow white Afrikaners the opportunity to
get out of the hell hole of post depression poverty and bankrup farm by
affording them job protection...  can you imagine in one way where the
rapid increase in economic viability of african that we see today would 
be if there have been no business, land, cultural and other laws to 
prevent them from investing in those areas.. Can you imagine what it would 
be like if RAU and UP were not there to give protected or shelted opportunity
for Afrikaners to invest in their human capital while freezing african with
low percapita expenditure inprimary education and colour bar laws and other
forms of anti african laws. Aparheid and the laws that laid solid foundation
did not acccesebate the income and wealth difference but it prevented fair
labor and capital competition between africans and the rest of the white 
community... By preventing african from loaning money, declaring areas such
as soweto not places for investment (since people did not own the property
they lived on not did black in rural area own such property as individual)
apartheid again ensured that balck do not progress economically. Maybe you
do not know much about the rand strike, it causes and the gentlmen's agreement
that followed.. Please read Benard Magubane' (1984); Makalima's the
creation of labor aristocracy in SA; or better still find the writing of
the alleged government murdered David Webster on labor laws in SA.. I think
the book was written in 1982-3. 

Well, back to you now. I am sure you are familiar with the large loans
and tax breaks that were afforded white farmers... which of course is not
important to you in the truncation of black economic mobility and in the
role played on both a social and political level by the creation of such
enclaves of good money markets, labor markets and tax breaks... 
Welcome to reality madam skuze me' sir!

Let me inform you todat that the legacy of apartheid is not something 
one can undermine for those that are in business will understand the effect 
of timing in marketing and production of widgets. Strategically speakingh
apartheid laws afforded white south african the leeway to develop their
individual infrustructure while freezing out the competition...mainly
black ...(if you so wish to develop the role of banking industry in the
truncation of black development you are free... we can persue that later)
 

[..] Apartheid didn't cause INEQUALITY....
As every beginner in research or those that deal with epistemology will
tell you the idea of cause is a hard one.. if by cause you mean cause to
exist as in "there not there"(all or none) you may say that there was some
degree of inequality even then.. But one should not loose sight of the
direct and indirect causal relationships that result from those laws that
of apartheid and the later levels of inquality." You may be trying to argue
that apartheid did not contemporaneously cause inequality but be rest assured
you know deep in you heart that it was a vital intervening factor(call it
varibale if you like) in the creation of subsequent level of inequality. in
fact, it had a chilling effect on the closing of the gap ... between africans
and white as a group but a positive effect (or enhancementy effect) on the
differences with the whites as a group... does this sound like econometric
mumbojumbo-- welcome it maybe.. I am sure that you do not need to be 
taught that apartheid laws almost all were intended to keep "n kaffir in sy
plek"  Largely it achived this goal andbut it got stuck with the problem
of galloping cost of high skill manpower acute shortages and some bad 
taste in race relation..
send me e mail if you like more on this issue ...

made it visible to the  rest of the world.
hm, I am not so sure the writer  knowa what she/he is talking about here..
remeber the ifoscandal.... I am not sure that apartheid did this there is 
no evidence that it was ever intended or for that matter unintendentl did
this.. It was the renagates such as Mandela, the "so-called commies" of those
days.. that made it conspicuous. You know I am wondering what you feel
like at times... don't you feel some level of dissonance between what
you are as a person and what people that you were so pround to study did...
(no fires intended but I was just wondering) I was the Mphahleles, the Kaffir
boy mathabane's and Patteson's that made life measerable internationally,...
would you like to pursue this ... I want to avoid engageing peolple in obvious
issues.

[lotso-lotso tinks rubbed....]

>(1) Apartheid didn't alter black vs. white landownership very much because the
>    discrepancy was well established long before Apartheid, and without
>    Apartheid would probably have become even more extreme.

Hardy, where did you grow up...please bear with me I find this hard to
understand are you really saying this...
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madimetja waga mokaba
"Hlakoleng go sepelwa tau eja mohlolelwa, gape dibetlwa di betlwa bathong
wa madimabe a fahlwa"
no Enlish translation available I might mutilate and otherwise effective
expression for meaning see Rakoma (1974) Maremkadika via afrika.

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