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From: corwin@ensta.ensta.fr (Gilles Gravier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Unrealistic space scenes
Date: 16 Dec 1992 20:31:56 +0100
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In article <19739@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com> news@sunfse.ese.lmsc.lockheed.com (news) writes:
>>olljmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:
>>
>>> In article <1992Dec9.193652.1@vax1.umkc.edu> kgassner@vax1.umkc.edu  
>>> writes:
>>> > 5. The propulsion system of ships is always active in the same way,  
>>> regardless
>>> >    what kind of maneuver they are performing.
>>> >    As long as a ship doesn't change course, the propulsion system  
>>> should be 
>>> >    off. (E.g. in those Big-Ship-is-slowly-passing-the-camera-shots)  
>>> But the
>>> >    fancy lights on the end of the ships are just looking so nice. 
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> Why?  We only do that now because fuel is so expensive. If you had
>>> a ship that was actually capable of continuous 1 G acceleration,
>>> you'd probably keep the engine on most of the time.


	Have you tryed to look at it this way: We are always assuming a mode
of propulsion where an engine is used to generate a force, which, multiplied
by the mass of the ship results in an accelleration (g=f/m) g being the
accelleration in Newtons... THis acelleration is then integrated on a period
of time, to produce a speed, g=dv/dt, which speed is then integrated on the
same period of time to produce a movement (v=dx/dt)... Well, given these laws
of physics, it is normal that if speed is constant, then g=dv/dt=0... No
accelleration is need, so no energy is need to keep a ship flying in a strait
line, at a constant speed, in deep space. That is, of course, considering that
space is *ABSOLUTELY* empty, so that no tiny particules of star-dust, no
photons, will slow the ship down... In which case, a minimum accelleration
would be needed...

	But, what no-one ever considers is another form of movement... In a
futuristic civilisation, you could imagine that engines could directly convert
energy into speed (E=1/2mv2), or directly into movement (there is now law
relating to this latest except quantum physics laws which give statistic 
information on the probabilist position of a particle given it's energy).

	So, you could imagine a situation where as long as the engine is
'burning', the ship can generate successive positions for itself.. Thus the
engines always on...

	Hope that wasn't too boring!

	Gilles.

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From: mabw0164@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies,rec.arts.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: Re: SF Novels that would make Great Films
Date: 21 Dec 92 04:18:06 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Dec21.013522.29179@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, jackson@sn.jsc.nasa.gov writes:
> Has anybody mentioned Alfred Bester's THE STARS MY DESTINATION?
> This has to be the single most SF novel that begs to be made
> into a film. Very expensive tho.
> (A strange thing about Bester's Novel, and I have never seen
> anyone note it, is that tho it differs totally in detail it
> echos BLADERUNNER in many ways. As does for that matter much
> of the urban landscape fiction that appeared in Galaxy magazine
> 1950-1960 especially those years under editor H.L. Gold. 
> Not only Bester but Fred Phol and C.M. Kornbluth's novels are
> almost set in the same Bladerunner universe. In fact BLADERUNNER
> itself hews more to early Dick like Solar Lottery , ect. than it
> does to DADOES, anybody notice this?)
> .....
> 

Scifi has been around for a number of centuries, but really came into its
own in the early-mid 30s up to about 1960, when it became more mainstream.
It would shock me if "Bladerunner" did NOT look like Bester's, Kornbluth's
Pohl's or any other writer's universe. The people who design these films
have been just as exposed to science fiction as the rest of the population.

By the way, I thought "Bladerunner" sets smacked a lot of "Metropolis" by
Fritz Lang. :-)

Joe
01fortec@ac.dal.ca
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Subject: Re: ** Please help ID this movie **
Date: 19 Dec 1992 00:46:59 -0600
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  It can not be the "The Last Flight of the Memphis Belle" and have
volcanic stuff going on. 
  Did the movie have a Europe look to it?
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From: steinarb@idt.unit.no (Steinar Bang)
Subject: Re: T2 wish list.
Organization: Norwegian Inst. of Tech./University of Trondheim, Trondheim,
	Norway
Date: 18 Dec 92 11:04:04

>>>>> In article <BzFDpF.2wz@news.ucs.mun.ca>, glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gord Locke) writes:

> 	Also from the novelisation: this cut scene would have
> explained the odd scene where Arnie picks up the 60 rounds / sec
> Gatling gun type thing

Specifically: an M-134 General Electric MiniGun. 2000 rounds per
minute (2000/60=33(approx.)rounds per second) which doesn't seem like
all that much...

The ammo is, however 7.62mm NATO ("seven-six-twos" in NATO parlance)
which is a far cry from the wimpy fine cal. rounds used by the M-16.

A 7 gramme 7.62mm bullet driven by a 5 gramme load is not, uh...,
easily stopped (...and tends to do a lot of damage in the stopping). 
Lethal up to 4000 metres (the effective range is somewhat less, tho').

> and twists his face into a sort of smile, and John Connor sez:
> "It's definitely you."  Knowing that Arnie was trying to learn how to
> smile (as well as give the thumbs-up and say "dick-wad", which we knew)
> would have added a bit of extra humour to this part.

I think the terminator humor could have been downplayed. It's kind of
a wimp-out by Arnie (who prefers "Arnold" BTW) to want to play the
good guy.

- Steinar
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From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: Unrealistic space scenes
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:39:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec9.193652.1@vax1.umkc.edu> kgassner@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>4. Standard weapon is something with very short range, that fires tracers
>   and is aimed by hand.

This is probably necessary for dramatic purposes -- gives the actors
something to do besides look at each other with terrified expressions
on their faces, punctuated by nervous breakdowns.  However, doing it
realisticly could have its own sort of dramatic tension.  (Sort of
like "Das Boot", only more so.)

>5. The propulsion system of ships is always active in the same way, 
>   regardless what kind of maneuver they are performing.

Assuming, of course, that the propulsion system is a reaction drive.
Most of these movie spacecraft don't seem to be reaction drives,
though.  Maybe those nifty SFX lights are just the exhausts for the
powerplant which runs the "grab the fabric of space and pull" drive.
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                       | can assume it will be pretty bad. -- Dave Barry
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From: lon@edsi.plexus.COM (Lon Ponschock)
Subject: Re: SF Novels that would make Great Films
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:12:05 GMT


==>  Just rented _The Handmaid's Tale_ (recommended...)  and that 
got me thinking of another author's work that would make 
interesting film:

                     _Motherlines_ by Suzy McKee Charnas

lon  :-)
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From: jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia)
Subject: Re: T2 wish list.
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 10:13:21 GMT


In article <1992Dec17.002330.20270@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson) writes:
>
>at your local Suncoast or similar video outlet; it costs about
>$50 U.S. and is well worth it, IMHO. If you're not in the US...
>sorry...

Minor correction; there's reasonable priced VCRs which can
play NTSC-videos -- though TV has to be modern, so that
the signal is recognized; the trick here is, guess, to make only
the color transformation (RGB_pal = T_matrix*RGB_ntsc*R_andom +
R_andom; or how it was... Never The Same Color... but then we have
to have anti-R_andom instead of R_andom.. err.. too mathematical).

Then there's high priced VCR which makes the NTSC-->PAL conversion;
this video can convert anything to anything in any country.
This allows the possibility copy NTSC tapes to PAL tapes.

Well, yes, it is sorry to live here anyway.

Juhana Kouhia
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: SF Novels that would make Great Films
Date: 16 Dec 1992 18:21:40 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <1992Dec16.005825.13861@netcom.com> mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
writes:
>(Fortunately, PKD was already dead when I read "UBIK".)

Yes, but was Joe Chip?

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

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From: ecunha@sumax.seattleu.edu (Erik Cunha)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park - DNA in blood?
Date: 20 Dec 1992 20:44:20 -0800
Organization: Seattle University
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In article <724820727snx@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au> cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au writes:
>In article <1517@ozz.oasis.icl.co.uk> sch@oasis.icl.co.uk writes:

>> [Jurassic Park.]
>> had been found which still contained the blood of some dinosaur, and how they
>> manage to extract the DNA.

>I have been told that blood is one of the few things that doesn't contain
>DNA.  Anyone care to comment on this?

The text adresses this point:

"Actually, dinosaur DNA is somewhat easier to extract by this process than
mammalian DNA.  The reason is that mammalian red cells have no nuclei.... 
To clone a mammal, you must find a white cell, which is much rarer.... 
But dinosaurs had nucleated red cells, as do modern birds..."  (p. 102)

>|Cameron, cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au, cam@adied.oz.au

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From: jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia)
Subject: Re: T2 wish list.
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 23:07:13 GMT


In article <1992Dec17.104355.23181@prime.mdata.fi>
jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.101321.27189@cc.tut.fi> jk87377@cc.tut.fi
>(Juhana Kouhia) writes:
>>
>>Minor correction; there's reasonable priced VCRs which can
>>play NTSC-videos -- though TV has to be modern, so that
>>the signal is recognized; the trick here is, guess, to make only
>>the color transformation
>
>FALSE!

Cool down, man -- the world is not collapsing yet.

>I Have panasonic J-45 VCRs, and they have NTSC playback
>on PAL tv. TV doesn't have to be modern. Only thing is that
>IF you TV is too high tech, you'll have to switch it to NTSC
>mode.

Ok.
We have here LD-player which dumps out NTSC and pseudo-PAL;
modern TV can show pseudo-PAL ok, but I heard that
if the NTSC signal is feeded, the image is not good, due
poor NTSC to PAL converter in TV (if there such converter have).

Above had almost nothing to do with video, but explaned a bit
something.

Now, the question:

Have you done following with your video?
  1. played NTSC tape
  2. recorded that signal to normal PAL only recorder
  3. played the recorded tape with normal PAL vcr and
     got good image

I'm now sure you can't do that, but never know...
Well, I don't have any NTSC tapes, so that I can go and
try this in a shop.

I surely would like to save some money, if the above is
possible.

Juhana Kouhia
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From: brainded@cwis.unomaha.edu (Kevin Allen Peterson)
Subject: Re: SF Novels that would make Great Films
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
    Everybody's forgeting the classics. Heinlein's
     Asimov's "Caves of Steel" would be excellent with the right casting,
     Harry harrison's Stainless Steel Rat series could be fun but casting
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:46:57 GMT


     Now back to the fun stuff.  Mike Van Pelt's Dave Bary quote made me
realize just how dangerous those lab frogs are. I never thought they would
do that much damage to a sledge hammer.
    As far as the Russian Sleigh question, I'd probably be thrown out
'cause I'd have to be tied in chains to get in that delema.

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From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: alien 4 - not stop-motion
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 14 Dec 92 08:43:47 EST

Sorry John for butting in, but... the video came out about three weeks
ago! You can't really be called a video-buff, I guess...

Take care

Robert
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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Realistic Space Scenes
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:44:27 GMT

i've only ever seen one, and it was in Katsuhiro Otomo's AKIRA.

When Tetsuo flys up and destroys the Sol sattelitte, it is all done in
complete silence, as it should be.  It is the only movie I've ever seen
where the filmmaker acknowledges that sound does not travel in a vacuum.


LJC, who is leaving to go home now becasue her father just came to kick
her off the net.

byeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: T2 wish list.
Date: 20 Dec 92 21:46:37 GMT
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland

In article <1992Dec17.230713.10270@cc.tut.fi> jk87377@cc.tut.fi (Juhana Kouhia) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec17.104355.23181@prime.mdata.fi>
>jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec17.101321.27189@cc.tut.fi> jk87377@cc.tut.fi
>>(Juhana Kouhia) writes:
>>>
>>>Minor correction; there's reasonable priced VCRs which can
>>>play NTSC-videos -- though TV has to be modern, so that
>>>the signal is recognized; the trick here is, guess, to make only
>>>the color transformation
>>
>>FALSE!
>
>Cool down, man -- the world is not collapsing yet.
>
>>I Have panasonic J-45 VCRs, and they have NTSC playback
>>on PAL tv. TV doesn't have to be modern. Only thing is that
>>IF you TV is too high tech, you'll have to switch it to NTSC
>>mode.
>
>Ok.
>We have here LD-player which dumps out NTSC and pseudo-PAL;
>modern TV can show pseudo-PAL ok, but I heard that
>if the NTSC signal is feeded, the image is not good, due
>poor NTSC to PAL converter in TV (if there such converter have).
>
>Above had almost nothing to do with video, but explaned a bit
>something.
>
>Now, the question:
>
>Have you done following with your video?
>  1. played NTSC tape
Yes. works very smoothly.

>  2. recorded that signal to normal PAL only recorder
>  3. played the recorded tape with normal PAL vcr and
>     got good image
Nope. I belive that this is NOT possible at all. I understand
that by using two VCRs like mine, I can copy NTSC to NTSC
but NTSC to PAL is not possible.

>
>I'm now sure you can't do that, but never know...
>Well, I don't have any NTSC tapes, so that I can go and
>try this in a shop.
>
>I surely would like to save some money, if the above is
>possible.
>
>Juhana Kouhia

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From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)
Subject: Re: Unrealistic space scenes
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 02:09:09 GMT

In article <1642@tdat.teradata.COM> swf@tools3teradata.com (Stan Friesen) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.030300.28221@ll.mit.edu>, shoham@ll.mit.edu (Daniel Shoham) writes:
>|> Any matter-based fuel is in a highly energetic state and readily
>|> convertable to useable energy.
>
>I am not so sure of this.  At the last Loscon I was talking to somebody about
>a new, stabel, fuel system being developed by (I think) Amroc.  [Unfortunately
>I do not remember the details].

The AMROC hybrid rocket uses a liquid oxydizer (liquid oxygen) and a
solid fuel (synthetic rubber.)  The fuel is 'mostly harmless' -- you
can light it with a blowtorch, and it will even stay lit -- as long as
you keep the blowtorch on it.  The LO2 is somewhat hazardous, of
course, but much more manageable than a lot of other things.

Actually, many of the popular solid fuels won't burn unless the
pressure is high enough.  If Range Safety presses the destruct, linear
shaped charges unzip the side of the solid, and the fuel goes out.

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From: scst91@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mr. R.M. Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: alien, swartzenegger
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:21:46 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University

>This will no doubt result in a lot of adverse commenting: I liked him in
>KINDERGARDEN COP.

>Joe
>01fortec@ac.dal.ca


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SHIT!!!  You were right!!!!



Bobby.
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From: uhschreg@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Ulrich Schreglmann)
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Subject: Re: T2 wish list.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 15:20:38 GMT
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chandler@maths.tcd.ie (Ross Chandler) writes:

>>Yes, I'd like to see this too. Although there is one
>>"glitching" scene in the movie: right after Arnie gets his arm
>>stuck in the gear, the T-1000 turns away from him and "ripples."

>Correct. I think this was left in more for continuity reasons than
>anything else. (certainly not out of concern for the viewer)

Erm, please, what are you talking about? What sort of "glitching" scenes
are they, exactly? Having no insider information about that, I'm quite
at a loss, but very interested. Also what is this "smiling"-scene? And
whence do you know about these cut scenes?


May the Cool Be with You!

(C)OOL mcmxcii
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From: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Subject: alien 4 - not stop-motion
Reply-To: "robert winkler" <robert.winkler@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:19:05 EST

    Well, John, I still maintain that you didn't loose anything. If you
saw it in the movies, & you found it bad (sorry, but I don't remember
what your opinion was), then you will find the video UNBEARABLE...
    I did. Especially as I have the bad habit of replaying the more f/x
demanding scenes, freezing the picture so that I can enjoy the full
faliure of the technicians.

    If I may recommend something, should you want to watch something
that combines bad story with pretty good f/x, rather rent Robotjox. They
managed to make an OK movie from 10 % of Alien 3's budget... (or was it
1 % ?)

Take care

Robert
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From: wixer!cactus.org!wixer!pro-smof.cts.com!rfletcher@cactus.org (Robert Fletcher)
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Subject: Re: solar crisis (anyone seen it?)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 21:56:37 -0600
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]
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  Seen it, did not like, and would not wont to go back. The story line is
very weakly constructed. This movie has a poor script or the editing was
poorly done.
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