HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Commie Beemers for sale
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:28:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: wrgate.10737
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <1992Oct08.143841.24259@i88.isc.com> jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.223849.28615@xn.ll.mit.edu> rob@ll.mit.edu writes:
>>R71 Motorcycle with Sidecar.  Found in original crates in a warehouse  
>>in China.  Has never been on the road.
>...
>>The R71 is reconditioned, painted and road-tested before it is  
>>delivered to our customers.  Very limited quantity.  Price: $7,500.
>
>Amazing, that Maoist workmanship.  Never been on the road, but already
>being reconditioned and painted...  I guess they have to justify
>the price tag somehow.

  These things have been showing up in the Denver area through some kind
of grey-market importing scheme, priced at $3500-4000.  Judging from the
quality of the workmanship, some reconditioning is in order.  I would
like to find out if there is a parts source for them, though, because
most of the parts should be interchangeable with my R12.  The R71 had
the R12 engine, but in a tubular frame instead of pressed steel.

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| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '68 CB450(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1938 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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From: eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Drilling my own discs
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:23:01 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:
: Saturday October 10 1992 15:09, Robert M. Button wrote to All:
: 
:  RMB> May I suggest a freshman's physics course for John.
: 
: No, you may not.
: 
:  RMB> (see gyroscope). So...as far as carbon-carbon brakes are
:  RMB> concerned...they are first of all lighter material than steel...but most
:  RMB> importantly...their high heat characteristics allow for much greater
:  RMB> force to be applied by the pads.
:  RMB> ..or something like that.
: 
: Yes, yes, thats obvious, but since you really can't answer my question,
: why'd you bother taking up bandwidth in the first place.
: 
: John
: 
Carbon fibre discs are more efficient when hot, in fact when cold they're
totally useless and need to be pre-warmed by dragging them if any serious
braking effect is to be required.
-- 
_______________________________________________________________________
  Ian Harvey, University College Swansea         Too old to rock'n'roll
  eeharvey@uk.ac.swan.pyr                              Too young to die
                              '79 GS750E
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Mounting radar detectors on bikes
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:28:48 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Distribution: usa
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH


kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz) writes:

>And, if the gun radiation _was_ significant, then the detector
>radiation would be insignificant

How do you figure?
-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: HELMETS:Arai only
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:39:48 GMT

crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.181453.12551@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>>dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson) writes:

>>>Helmets yes, everything else no.

>>Well, it depends. My open face Bell certainly suffered no damage when I
>>did a face-plant in it. I'm quite sure that in a similar accident it
>>would again provide the same degree of protection.

>Are you certain that the fiberglass (if that's the material) didn't delaminate
>inside and none of the styrofoam compressed?

And I was beginning to think that nobody would take the bait. :-)

But to answer the question, yes, I'm quite sure that there was no hidden
damage. You see the helmet never touched the ground. That's why they call
it a "face-plant". (And that "degree of protection" I mentioned was a
very close approximation of 0. :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:24:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View

In article <1992Oct13.150903.2170@elektro.cmhnet.org> root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
}      If the story starts out "Once upon a time ... " it might be true.
}
}      If the teller starts the story with "This is no shit ... " you know
}      it's a fairy tale!

Yeah. Skydiving fairy tales always start out with "No shit -- there I was
at 13000 feet ... "

Obmoto: Going to take California's anal retentive ride the circle too
@$^@#$ slow test at 3 today. From my brief practice on Sunday I may
have to repeat this test if I get a nasty instructor.

Film at 11,
-- 
Curtis Jackson	'91 Black Lab "Studley Doright"   '92 Collie/Shepherd "George"
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	USPA #A-10080 (lapsed)	DoD #721 '81 Maxim 650
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: 80/81 CB750 s
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:02:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.234554.13398@morrow.stanford.edu> karish@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:
|
|It also does a drunken weave when I ride it at in-town
|speeds after an hour or so at 85+.  Probably due to
|shock fade.  This is with Fox shocks and springs that
|are probably a bit too soft.

Hmmmm.  My Concours does this after a half hour at DoD
speeds.  Are there other explanations?  How would a
single shock cause a weave?  I have wandered about this.

:-)

Dave Svoboda (rubis@gagme.chi.il.us)        | "I just can't take
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  this weird shit
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  before breakfast!"
AMA 583905      DoD #0330    COG 939        |   -- Evo Woman
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:12:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Llamas and golf, anyone?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles

In rec.motorcycles, space@bcars267.FC.HP.COM writes:

> I heard mention on the radio this morning that some golf course in the U.S.
> (sorry, can't remember where) has a couple of llamas for use as caddies.
                                                                  ^^^^^^^
I'd never trust a llama as a caddie.  It's not that they're stupid, it's
that they have a twisted sense of humor.  They're likely to select a wedge
instead of a driver just for kicks.  They'll also spit green slime on the
handles just to get a chuckle.  

> They are allowed anywhere on the course except the greens and the tee-off
> areas.  Perhaps this is an environmentally friendly alternative to golf
> carts?  Hmmm, I suppose that depends on when they last ate....

Actually, sources in the know tell me that they make excellent fertilizer.
I should think that the course owners would be thrilled at the prospect.  
BTW, llama chips are like deer & elk pellets, rather than cattle or
horses.  People actually pay good money for llama by-products.  ... say 
Arnie, what do you think?  Another marketing opportunity? 

-Jeff Deeney-  KotD #0000  DoD#0498    NCTR    '88 XR600-Shamu   
jld@hpfcpe.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
"Never do this.  Please, please, never post a "flame"."
                                                -Shuvam Misra
From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: BMW 3-series helmets - any good?
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 10:20:21 GMT

Christopher Paul Baker (cbaker@tasman.cc.utas.edu.au) wrote:
: 
: I'm new to motorcycling, so I'm not sure if this subject has been
: discussed on the network yet.
: My question is - how does the new 3-series BMW motorbike helmets
: (the one where the face part can be tilted up, and even removed)
: compare with other brands on the market?  eg: Shoei ...
: Any comments from people who own such a helmet?
: CHRIS BAKER
: EMAIL : BAKER@PHYSVAX.PHYS.UTAS.EDU.AU
: 

I have posted several times on this very subject, never mind, here goes again:

I have had a BMW III for almost two years now.  I haven't been impressed with
the quality of the build or the functionality of the ventilating system.  It is
quieter than my older Shoei (Can't remember the model but it was about L180)
and I like the fastener.  I bought mine abroad because they aren't legally able
to sell them here in Triumph Country.  The fastener for the hinged jaw is not
very good (on mine) and moves out of position after a while, making securing
the jaw piece very difficult.  I never use that facility now, I have removed 
the neck piece and put the helmet on and off like a normal full face helmet.
The visor is very scratch proof and I would still be using the same one if it
hadn't been ripped off by the slipstream whilst attempting the Landspeed record
down the Highway From hell (c).  The paint is easily chipped but you can get
touch-up paint from the BM dealer.  I have had to replace the ratchet 
mechanisms twice which, while annoying, only cost me a few pfennigs.  I use the
helmet everyday and have spent entire days in it, almost.  It is generally OK
but I shan't buy another one.


Nick (the Slightly Unsatisfied Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford


M'Lud.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: rmb2491@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (Robert M. Button)
Subject: Re: Drilling my own discs
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center / Cleveland, Ohio
Date:  9 Oct 1992 16:26 EST  

In article <131.2AD5D04D@kennel.FIDONET.ORG>, john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes...
>Friday October 09 1992 07:04, Wm. L. Ranck wrote to All:
> > 
>I am intrigued by the carbon-carbon front brakes of the C591 Cagiva that Lawson
>rode in '91, because they appear to have relatively small diameter rotors. It
>would appear that rotor diameter is less important to braking power in
>composite systems than in conventional systems, no? Of course, the '92 Cagiva
>had different front brakes, so maybe they didn't work?
> 

May I suggest a freshman's physics course for John.
Larger diameter discs promote better braking since a constant force applied 
at the edge of the disc creates a greater torque than the same force applied
to a smaller disc.
So...to increase braking power do one of two things...make larger disc rotors
or apply a greater force to the disc rotor.  
The problem with larger disc rotors is that 1) the unsprung weight is greater
and 2) the rotating mass is greater.  For a circuit racer, 2) is a greater
problem (although 1) and 20 are related).  The greater the rotating mass, the
more difficult it is to change direction (see gyroscope).
So...as far as carbon-carbon brakes are concerned...they are first of all
lighter material than steel...but most importantly...their high heat
characteristics allow for much greater force to be applied by the pads.

..or something like that.

Rob Button
'85 K100RS - already in storage.

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Re: 80/81 CB750 s
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:43:18 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes:

>I'm going to install a manual prime on my petcock by T'ing into the vacuum 
>line and running a hose to the outside where I can remove a plug to suck on 
>the line so that the carbs will fill.  

Why don't you just bypass the vacuum petcock and 
only the use the manual one?
It's easy to do and it simplifies the machine.

BTW, my '79 never had one.
 " , my '79 is also hard to start (my only real complaint about CB750's).

-- 
 Clayton T. Brooks       _,,-^`--.   From the heart          cbrooks@ms.uky.edu
 722 POT U o'Ky    .__,-'    *    \   of the blue           cbrooks@ukma.bitnet
 Lex. KY 40506   _/              ,/    grass and   {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks
 606-257-6807   (__,-----------''   bourbon country    AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: groh@omicron.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths
Reply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu
Organization: Florida State University Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 12:47:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.210158.6978@megatek.com> megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net writes:
>In article <BvpIrp.JsF@cmptrc.lonestar.org> neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
>|I'll betcha the stats show something like this:
>|
>|    CrotchRockets == ManyMoreDeathsThanHarley == NotCoincidence
>
>  I'll take that bet.  The stats show that the death rate for HD is higher

What stats?  The famous RD stats?  Put up or shut up!

>for miles traveled by each type of bike...  Also the theft rate.  A good
>reason why comprehensive insurance prices on HD's are higher even than sport
>bikes...
>
>  I'll leave it to you to speculate why...
>
>Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
>ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            megatek!randy@uunet.uu.net
>DoD #0013                                     ucsd!megatek!randy
>


-- 
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman)
Subject: Re: Bike cover for an FJ
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:06:15 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Oct7.050606.23703@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>
>    - Waterproof, but cleverly vented ("Moisture Guard") to prevent moisture 
>      buildup underneath
>
>    - Black in color with "scorch-resistant aluminized panels" that engine/pipe
>      heat won't hurt
>
>    - Elastic "shock" cord in the lower edge to keep the cover snug on the bike
>
>    - Heavy grommets that permit the cover to be locked to the bike with bar
>      lock or padlock
>
>    - Heavy-duty Urethane-coated Polyester
>
>    - Flannel windshield liner  (125 and 100 models only)
>
>    - Handy stuff sack for storage. Stores neatly in an Eclipse Standard tank
>      bag (but nearly fills it up) or under a bungie net on the pillion.
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I heartily reccommend the OSI Compact cover. Essentially all
the same features as everyone else, but lighter nylon. For
those of us who carry the cover everywhere, this makes a big
(small) differenc. The cover folds up to less than the size
of a 5lb sack of flour. When my tank bag was really full
after an important bakery stop, I was even able to fit the
cover inside my Aerosuit! Of course, it looked as if I was
smuggling a sack of flour :).

----
Mark Bergman		'77 KZ1000
Brooklyn, NY
718-855-9148

bergman@panix.com
{cmcl2,uunet}!panix!bergman
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ST1100 still reigns supreme
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:42:46 GMT
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]Let's see...1992 FJ1200 with ABS list price about $8500.
]1993 BMW K1100LT list price about $14000.

this is like comparing a Goldwing SE to a CBR. yea, no doubt the Goldwing is
gonna cost a little more initially. 

why don't you run this comparison with a BMW that is more comparable 
(i.e. similar popularity levels, sporting class), like the K75. change 
that $14k to $9k. or even better, let's compare it to the R100RS, change 
that $14k to $8k (is that the right number R100RS owners?). and you've also 
inflated the BMW by using the newer year model. it's no secret there's 
some inflation by that alone, but when you consider that the 93LT is a 
big change from the 92 model it's even worse.

  1992 FJ1200 with ABS list price about $8500.
  1992 BMW K75S list price about $9000.

]Assume after 10 years both bikes in good shape.
]BMW cost about $7000
]FJ1200 say about $2000

  BMW cost about $4000
  FJ1200 say about $2000

(does a 10 year old FJ1200 exist?)
(when was the K75 introduced? isn't it about 10 years now?)

]FJ1200 cost for 10 years is $8500-$2000 = $6500
]BMW cost for 10 years is $14000 - $7000 = $7000

   FJ1200 cost for 10 years is $8500-$2000 = $6500
   BMW cost for 10 years is $9000 - $4000 = $5000

]Now if you had to go out and buy a new one after 10 years assume the 1992 
]prices will double in that time.
]BMW cost $28000
]FJ cost $17000

   BMW cost $18000
   FJ cost $17000

]BMW cash required $28000-$7000 = $21000
]FJ cash required $17000-$2000 = $15000
]                Difference = $6000

   BMW cash required $18000-$4000 = $14000
   FJ cash required  $17000-$2000 = $15000
                       Difference = -$1000

]If saving money in the long run is you're rational for buying a BMW, I think
]you need to reconsider. 

looks like a pretty good investment to me.

we haven't taken into consideration the costs associated with keeping the 

     1) both bikes will be driven 175,000 miles
     2) both bikes will be serviced according to factory specs
     3) both bikes will be driven in the same conditions (i.e.
        two people driving theses things on the same routes at the
        same time).

when that ticker rolls over 150,000 miles, my money is on the BMW for
being in better shape, and having less _total_ service expense. I'm not
gonna try and fill in these particular numbers, I admit I would only be 
guessing.

-- 
Joe Senner                                          joe@zx11.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
From: rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Geof Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Spew forth and atrophy.
Date: 10 Oct 92 02:47:34 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au


Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: We are sick and tired!!


You people are *so* misguided...all this talk, moaning, whinging.
It's obvious...MY bike is the best. Do what you like about it.
I'm gonna ride it. Under you, over you, around you and definately
PAST you. Hey...you can always stop and *argue* about it.

-first stop: Black Spur Hotel                -why give a shit ?
-second stop: the back bar.                   I mean...who would want it ?
-third stop: her place.                      -DOD #981


-- 
  ___________________________________________________________________  
|| Geof Evans                 | DOMAIN: rxkgre@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au  ||
||   If they *really* wanna know...tell 'em that God was drunk.      ||
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Marking Disks (was: Re: Drilling my own discs)
Keywords: brakes holes cooling green magic marker
Organization: Why do you suspect that?
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 03:46:26 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.184843.11996@nsscmail.att.com> cel@nsscmail.att.com (clayton EDward LEIHY iii) writes:
>In article <Oct.4.17.42.16.1992.15310@remus.rutgers.edu> kretz@remus.rutgers.edu (Kevin Kretz) writes:
>
>[deleted]
>
>>Aren't you also _decreasing_ the surface area between the pads and the
>>rotor?  Is it negligible enough so that the cooling effect on the
>>rotor outweighs it ?
>
>A Good Tip(tm) I heard elsehwere right here on the NET was to
>take a green magic marker and color the edges of your disks.
>

BZZZZT!  You only color the right edge of the disks green.  The left edge
of the disks has to be colored red.  That way you can turn both right
and left!  (not concurrently though ...)

>Spose'd t'make 'em stop faster, I guess...
>

It only stops faster if you are trying to turn right *AND* left at the 
same time!  Ectually, to go back to the original question, rather than the
cooling efect on the rotor, everyone has neglected to take into account the 
cooling effect on the *PADS*.  Everyone knows that as things cool down,
they become more dense.  It is then intuitively obvious that cooler pads are
more dense pads; more dense pads then outweigh the original non-cooled pads
thus proving that the cooling effect is not negligible!  So now you know.


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  csmith@dsac.dla.mil  whois ces10
MOA# 52888, RA# 15633, DoD# 0709, AMA# 574722, Buckey Beemers 411, BK Ohio V
BMW K1100-LT, R69S, R27 and other even less worthwhile [ 2 | 3 ] wheel stuff
            {  Friends don't let friends ride Japanese bikes  }
From: davet@loowit.wr.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Need more time?
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:12:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO

In article <1992Oct9.145206.9555@javelin.sim.es.com> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>
>Perhaps you could provide contact information for some companies that do
>manufacture time? I've been running short on it lately, and would like
>to replenish my stock.

   Better than that, Blaine!  Try a Hewlett-Packard model 5359A Time
Synthesizer.  It's only $14000, and you can make your own.  I'm trying
to figure out how to put one one my racebike.  If I can't go any faster,
I'll just make up a little more time for myself.

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| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@loowit.WR.TEK.COM         | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '68 CB450(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1938 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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