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From: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:46:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: menudo.1992Sep30.214637.20350
Reply-To: chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

In article <1992Sep30.211310.10575@nas.nasa.gov>, wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith) writes:
>Alison J Wyld writes:
>	
>	Wouldn't it make more sense to make it compulsory that Shakespeare
>	is *seen* rather than read.  On paper I find him difficult but
>	on stage I think he's wonderful.  Of course requiring classes to
>	go to the theatre would cost money...
>
> [stuff deleted]

Another way to present Skakespeare on the cheap is to get the class to listen
to tape recordings of the plays (I'm sure they're all available). This would
make stopping and starting, replaying sections, or getting the audience to
repeat etc. pretty easy. 

Bill (who read Julius Caesar in high school and never looked back)
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13550 soc.culture.celtic:6474
From: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Getting some intelligent discussion going.
Date: 4 Oct 1992 20:06:45 GMT
Organization: N.I.C.E.
Reply-To: mike@fionn.lbl.gov (Michael Helm)
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.128.60

Alasdair Grant writes:
AG> I am taking the _expression_ of them as indicative of a certain view of
AG> [celtic twilitism or something]

mike> I understood what you said -- I think you're ignoring the ones who
mike> said something else.  Why?

>Because I agree with them. I don't normally argue against myself!

Indeed -- what you are telling me, then, is that when people say
things you don't agree with, you can't abide it.  No matter that those
folks' opinions were disputed by many others.

>Perhaps I ought to spell it out in laborious detail next time, so
>amateur lawyers can't pick holes in it.

It pays to be clear & not insulting, at least in most cases.

>on average, Americans appear to be more interested in 'Celticness'
>than in modern Scotland/Wales/whatever. Perhaps, strangely, it has

Perhaps your continued ignoring of the evidence, strangely, says more
about you than about the newsgroups?
From: Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk (Adrian Waterworth)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Tory's compulsory union membership law
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:56:43 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (Aengus Lawlor) writes:

>Does the fact that all the mainstream political parties favoured maintaining
>and even strengthening European union not suggest something to you? Perhaps
>that it's a politically sensible thing to do, and not some strange, illegal
>undemocratic plot to do what ever it is your paranoic delusions lead you to
>fear?

>Cop yourself on! There is no evil plot!

	Plot...? Maybe.

	Evil...? No.

	Incompetent...?
	Poorly managed...?
	Sometimes ill-conceived and irritating...?

	Probably!
				Ade.

		\----------------------------------------/
		 |  Adrian.Waterworth@newcastle.ac.uk	|
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From: czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Words: American vs English (UK type)
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:19:01 GMT
Reply-To: czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <frank2.20@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za> frank2@underdog.ee.wits.ac.za (FRANK D N) writes:
>It could have been Churchill who observed that Britain and the USA were two 
>countries separated by the same language ;)
>

George Bernard Shaw.

>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>David Frank                       {} "I imagined that Ted Turner had been  


Chris Lee
From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: burial in UK
Date: 29 Sep 1992 19:38:35 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu



I know this sounds rather morbid but I would appreciate
any help that any one can offer either from personal
experience or general knowledge of how to do it.

My mother is still a British subject after 30+ years in 
the US and she is also very old and very sick.  Her wish
is to be buried with her parents in Scotland and I don't
have any idea of how to go about making those arrangements.
I have tried talking to the Consulate office here in 
Cleveland and I get promises that someone will call me back
and no one ever does.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thank you.

Evelyn
--
From: wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Free Trade (was Re: Currency Problems)\
Date: 5 Oct 92 10:48:48 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1992Oct2.131533.19920@aber.ac.uk>, mhr@aber.ac.uk (Michael Richards) writes:
> The cost of imports is surprisingly low, even when transport is added, The
> Economist reported recently that it costs less to transport 100 000 tonnes
> of low sulphur coal from Virginia than for British Rail to shift the same
> amount from Selby to the Drax power stations.
> 
> 					Mike.

If it did, it's wrong. To get 100,000 tons of coal from Virginia needs a
fortnight or so across the Atlantic on a ship crewed by (say) ten, followed by
(again, say) 1000 lorries from Liverpool to wherever the power station is. (I
take it it's somewhere near Selby!). That's 1000 lorries driven by 1000
lorry-drivers driving for a few hours. To get by train takes much less time
*and* you only have to pay two people. 

What the Economist may well have said is that it costs less to buy coal from
Virginia than from Selby. In terms of cash, maybe, but certainly not in terms
of pollution. 
-- 

Stephen Wilcox             |   Remember what happened to the dinosaurs!
wilcox@maths.oxford.ac.uk  |    I did---and look what happened to me.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.thai,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.vietnamese,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: bernd@cc.uow.edu.au (Bernd Wechner)
Subject: Make a friend today, send a postcard to Oz ...
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 07:12:52 GMT

I just started to stick some old postcards on the wall at home and found
it growing into a very interesting collage, or wallpaper of sorts even. A 
great deal of interest value and a dash of nostalgia for me personally as 
well. Now although I had a fair stack, I was a little surprised at how small 
a postcard is and how large a wall is. 

So, I'd like to invite you to send me a postcard for which I will:

a) be eternally grateful
b) send one back (if desired)
c) invite you around for a cup of tea, a chat and even to stay a few days 
   (if you like ...)

Just think, you'll make your mark on my wall, and my life, and maybe
even make a friend for life. Or then again, maybe just a postcard for
your own wall ;-).

To join the revolution, just mail a postcard to me here:

Bernd Wechner
5 Charles Avenue
Minnamurra 2532
Australia

Remembering to include your own name and address if you like and see
what interesting things you can add to that. 

All the best then, and here's hoping we have some friendly people with
some motivation in the audience tonight ;-).

Ciao,

Bernd.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13394 talk.religion.misc:17525
From: bedford@bnr.ca (Richard Bedford)
Subject: Re: Currency problems
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 15:52:18 GMT

Just a small point to add to this discussion: Not all coal is the same. If I
remember my geography lessons correctly, most of the British coal deposits 
are of a lower quality than most of the stuff imported from abroad. By lower
quality I mean that it has a lower energy value and a higher sulphur content.
The British coal may only cost 30 pounds a ton to produce, but you need more
of it to generate the same amount of heat and you have to have more powerful
air scrubbers to remove the extra sulphur. Since the EC and the Goverment are
now clamping down more on air pollution, it may be rather than pay all 
the money for the air scrubbers, the electricity producers are switching to
the imports.

Richard Bedford
BNR Europe Ltd
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,rec.arts.books
From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Enforced Shakespeare?
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 16:43:48 GMT

I wrote:

	 Current research has now proved conclusively that Shakespeare's plays
	 were written by a different person of the same name.


Ian G Batten kindly writes:

	Several critics have suggested that we should consider the plays to have
	been written by an unknown contemporary of the same name.  They do this
	in order to remove the accretions of folklore around an author about
	whom very little is known.



Thanks, Ian.  You make it sound like I know what I'm talking about.



William Sburgfort Smith
Intel, SSD
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: bad teeth
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:33:31 GMT

In article <JIM.92Sep30113925@hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk>, jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes:
|> In article <3857@wyse.wyse.com> jmunro@wyse.wyse.com (Jim Munro x2497) writes:
|> 
|>    I think it well known that despite a 'free' or almost free dental
|>    service, that the Brits have the worst teeth in the industrial
|>    world. This may be due to diet, but I suspect the inferior dental
|>    treatment is part of it.
|> 
|> This is a little unkind on British dentists. The dreadful state of
|> British teeth is a combination of many things: diet, poor dental
|> hygiene, a general aversion to visiting the dentist and the way in
|> which NHS dentists have to work.

There is also a wide difference in the state of teeth in various parts of
the country.  Information I saw recently showed that the Scots and Northern
Irish have the worst teeth - probably this is linked with lower living
standards.  On the other hand two dentists I used in the south of England
said they hardly did any filling work nowadays, especially on younger people
and they earned a living from cosmetic work.  They attibuted the low number
of fillings on better education and flouride.


|> 
|> The NHS still pays dentists piecework rates.  Dentists get paid nothing for
|> preventive measures.

Yeah well you've got a pretty crap dentist if he doesn't take time to explain
these to you as part of the checkup.  I don't see many dentists starving so
they can't take time out to explain this to you for 'free.'

David.

P.S.  Obviously Jim Reid has never lived in any southern European countries
      (e.g. France, Portugal).  A French Health Department survey showed that
      the average French person owned 1 toothbrush.... per lifetime.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: tim@hpcpbla.bri.hp.com
 (Tim Phipps)
Subject: Re: A pinch an a punch
Reply-To: tim%hpcpbla.bri.hp.com@hplb.hpl.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Computer Peripherals Division, Bristol, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:08:48 GMT

: 'A pinch and a punch on the First of the month,
: and bags I no returns'
: 
I reply with:

1) 'A poke in the eye for being juvenile'
2) 'A kick in the throat 'cos you owe me a groat'
Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13070 talk.religion.misc:17200
From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,talk.religion.misc
Subject: In response to Jon Livesey, also stand on EC, Maastricht and the Ani
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 06:35:48 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:

-
- This is all very well, Dave, but seriously, exactly what do you have
- against the EC?   Is it really just a religious objection?   If so,
- you're welcome.     But if you really have something concrete to say
- about the EC, let's hear it.
-
- jon.

Definitely!!



Yo!! To the point!! I am first and foremost a Briton, not a U.S.er, and I
don't adhere to ANY U.S. philosophy, secularly or politically speaking.

I am in favour of worldwide free and fair trade amongst labour and capital.
Don't get me wrong.

What I am against, from a political, national, religious, moral and historical
point of view is that Maastricht is the key to letting the Anti-Christ come to
power.

Politically, historically and nationally,  attempts to unite Europe have ended
in a major botch.  Napoleon plundered Europe to make France the greatest
dictatorship and most hated one of its time.  Similarly with Hitler.  I do see
a similar pattern if a USE head of state is chosen.  This person would be MORE
corrupt than Hitler, Stalin and Napoleon put together.  And we have the
technology to do it.

Religiously and morally,  it is written in the Revelation according to John,
that Rome is going to be the seat of this Empire.  Brussels I do believe will
get lose to Rome, thus completing this prohecy.  I heard the argument that the
USA is scared of this because it would mean a loss of its economical
influence.  WHO CARES ??!!

What scares me my fellow Britons is that we are being blinded by a dangerous
offer of power that would sacrifice the British identity!!  Scotalnd, Wales,
England, is Union with Europe worth selling your sole for?  I say NEVER.
Despite the corruption that was the British Empire, Britain would be better
off going her own trying for a national alliance with the countires that
retain her majesty as Head of State.

Let us be wary of europeans baring powerful gifts.

A final note, I adhere to Elim Pentacostal and the Baptist philosophy in the
United Kingdom religiously speaking.


Dave Shariff Yadallee (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca,
userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Canadians: send a clear message to the government!  ON Oct. 26, Abstain
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Halloween in England
Date: 30 Sep 92 17:04:07 GMT
Organization: On the Brew.

In referenced article, alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld) writes:
>>I grew up in Scotland and remember celebrating Halloween every
>>year.  We didn't call it trick-or-treating but "guising", I
>>suppose this is a confusion with the celebration of Guy Fawkes

>Wrong etymology. Its from the same root as disguise.

Gosh, so it is (checking his OED).  I even _spelled_ it "guysing" in my
posting.

Anyway, we've been alluding to the _American_ tradition of
trick-or-treating coming into the UK.  I would presume though that the
Scottish tradition (also in the north of England) is the basis for the
American one.  Anyone know?  How do other European countries celebrate
hallowe'en?
-- 
Ray Dunn at home    |    ray@philmtl.philips.ca    |    (514) 630 3749
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Organization: sgi
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 04:05:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.174410.18039@bristol.ac.uk>, smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
|> 
|> If, on the other hand, the company is intrinsically a monopoly, and is
|> providing necessities of life, then, for reasons I've laid out
|> elsewhere, yes, I think 'society' (by which I mean, in this case,
|> 'government' as its agent) should be the provider.  

I've seen no compelling arguments for this.   I was brought up
to think of certain services as being "natural" monopolies and
so candidates for nationalization.

But travel is so broadening.   In the past twenty years I've 
travelled on privately owned trains, drunk privately provided
water, used privately generated electricity, had private garbage
haulage, used privately run telephone systems, and you know what: 
in no case could I tell the difference in a systematic way.  Some
were better than the government service, and some worse.    There
simply is not enough evidence around to persuade me that Government
is either a better director of investment, a better producer of the
service, or even a better self-regulator, than any private company
in these areas (but see below).

|> 
|> Finally (though I come dangerously close to agreeing with Simon here),
|> the government ought to be involved at least at the infrastructure-
|> planning (and in some cases, infrastructure-provision) level, for
|> groups of 'products' where wide-area planning is desireable, and where
|> the 'product' needs, for reasons of national interest, to extend to
|> areas which might not individually be commercially interesting.
|> 'Transportation' is one such 'product'.  This will almost certainly
|> involve them spending some money on it, sometimes as seed-capital on
|> which they'll expect a return, sometimes as pure expenditure. 

 And now you've hit on the very reason why I could never be a
Libertarian - apart from them being a mob of freeloading scum,
of course.

There are products which are not simply products, but which have
an important direct or indirect effect on the structure of
society itself.   That is, they don't just produce a service that
an individual can consume, but the service you consume impacts
my life, and vice versa.

These are things like infrastructure-provision, as you suggest,
defence, health care, education, museums, art galleries, 
libraries, justice, prisons, and a whole bunch of smaller stuff 
where it is perfectly rational to provide them collectively either
because no individual has a sufficiently broad view of requirements
to make the right decisions, or because the demand by any single
individual is too bursty to lead to good investment decisions,
even though society as a whole has a permant requirement for
some capacity.

jon.
From: martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Currency Problems
Date: 1 Oct 1992 13:41:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Ltd
Distribution: world
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NNTP-Posting-Host: bottomdog.uk.sun.com

In article 24761@dcs.qmw.ac.uk, mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>From: livesey@solntze.esd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
>>Right, what Japan did as a country is not too different to what
>>a company does.   It invested current wealth in future products
>>and production.    As in Germany, companies in Japan seem to
>>both take a longer view of investment, and also have more
>>confidence that the fruits of that investment will not be
>>confiscated by the Government in pursuit of whatever crazy
>>scheme the socialists have dreamed up this month.
>
>Well, if countries are like companies, Britain is like a
>company which has stopped production of the products for which
>it was once the world leader, closed down its research and development
>unit, and used the proceeds to pay higher salaries to the
>managers and clerks in head office on the grounds that they're
>shuffling round memoes all day is a productive service.
>
>As for this idea that the British government is just waiting to
>pounce and nationalise anything that moves, what decade are you
>living in Jon? A government bent on privatising everything has
>now been elected four times running, and none of the opposition
>parties proposes renationalising anything.

Minor correction: the Scottish National Party just rejected
a proposal to change its policy on nationalisation. As it
stands they are *still* committed to renationalise all the
privatised industries.

Martin

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.british:13125 talk.religion.misc:17303 soc.culture.europe:8675
From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: France, je vous remercie pour l'election d'Anti-Christ
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:12:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: VOILA.NICKH.92Sep28141241
	<25SEP199217541530@sscvx1.ssc.gov>,<1992Sep27.165624.7018@philmtl.philips.ca>
	<1992Sep28.150154.17528@menudo.uh.edu>
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
Originator: nickh@VOILA.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU

In article <1992Sep28.150154.17528@menudo.uh.edu> chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU ("Bill Harrison (713)-743-2789") writes:

   godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

   >The EC would be fine without the Germans - this has nothing to do
   >with the Tories pathetic attempts to blame the Germans for the
   >mismanagement of the British economy, it just has to do with the
   >fact that the Germans are extremely objectionable people, and I
   >won't support any organisation that requires having contactswith
   >them.

   Why don't you just unsubscribe from the net, in that case, Laurence? 

   Just kidding,

Why? I think that's an excellent suggestion: the net requires that he
have contact with Germans (and all other nations, including the
Japanese whom he also seems to hate), so by his own words he won't
support the net. So he should clear off and spare us his disgraceful
bigotry. He represents one of the most unpleasant aspects of British
"culture", and we'd all be much better off without him.

Go on, get lost. Spend your time campaigning for withdrawal from the
EC, NATO and the UN, and for a trade embargo against Germany. It's
bigots like you that empowered Hitler.

Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british