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From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Subject: Re: Snow Dogs
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:33:53 GMT

In article <BzBI0K.4yC@acsu.buffalo.edu>, kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly
Anne Hinkle) wrote:
> 
> Hey guys...great idea about posting when Mom's busy.  That little human thing
> she has running all over the house keeps her real busy, so she doesn't even
> notice when I come upstairs.  She just thinks I came up to sleep on her
> waterbed!  (Which, by the way, is great to jump on after being out in the cold
> weather!)  
> 
> The snow here in Champaign, Illinois is almost gone too.  We had 3 inches or
> so and that was it. 

Hee-hee-hee.......This is the Stuffy-Monster here.  Mom went out for a
potty 
break (I still can't figure out why *she* doesn't need me at the end of
*her*
leash telling her "Hurry Up" when she needs to "be exercised" :-) so I am
going to put in my $.02 (that's $.14 in doggy-money you know !!) on the
subject
of winter snow/ice games.  

I decided to follow up an Kelly's message because we are also here in
Champaign.  
We went out and frolicked in the snow and zipped around on the ice last
week too !!  
I taught Rowdy how fun it was to zoom around and play tag on the frozen
lake 
behind our house....I wanted to show all my little brothers and sisters how
fun snow 
can be but mom said that they're still too little *sigh*.  Anyway, we went
out again 
last night and even though the snow is gone Rowdy and I made a beeline for
the 
lake so that we could slide around on the ice.  We dove onto the ice (or
what was 
ice *just* last week) and we got soaking wet !!!  :-(  Our ice had gone,
but where 
had it gone ?  We hunted  the entire park desperately searching for our
beloved ice...
it was nowhere to  be found  !!  Mom and Mike just stood in the park
laughing like 
crazed hyenas (sometimes our humans can be so strange) !!

Mom later explained that the ice was "Further North" right now and maybe, 
just maybe if we were good little dogs, Santa would bring us more snow and 
ice for Christmas.  We're trying *soooooooo* hard to be good but it's
difficult 
to ALWAYS be good when you're a Cattle Dog !!!

Two Questions (I hope you all can help me here):  

1)  Where *exactly* is "Further, North" ?  (I figure it must be one of
those
Canadian Provinces because I couldn't even find a State called "North" on
the
map.)

2)  Does Santa really see *everything* we do ?  (I mean, does he know that
I snuck into the kitty's room last night to get a couple of "kitty crunchy
logs"
when mom wasn't looking ?)

Oops, gotta run....I hear the pitter patter of mom coming back down the
hall !!

Christmas Cattle Dog Kisses and Holiday Heeler Hugs to all (and to all a
good night) !!

------------------------
Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs - Home of Oreo, Yonder, Double Stuff, Rowdy 
and 7 adorable little ACD monsters that are (thankfully) "just visiting"
!!!
Kathy_Buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: cs911046@ariel.yorku.ca (PETER E REISSNER)
Subject: RE: toys for blind dogs
Keywords: blind, dog, toy
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:56:19 GMT

emunsey@nys.cs.du.edu writes...

> My mother's dog (a cocker spaniel) is now blind in both eyes.  He's always 
> liked to play fetch and I was wondering if there are any dog toys out there 
> that would be appropriate for a blind dog.  Any suggestions? 
>
> Thanks for any info that you may have.
>
> Elizabeth

I had a cocker spaniel who had a great nose.  She wasn't blind, but she didn't
use her eyes to see where she was going.  She used her nose mostly. I kind of
thought that was probably typical of cockers.  One game she loved to play was
to play fetch in the dark.  I mean in a field, not at home.  I realize that
night time is not the same as blindness, but I do know that she couldn't keep
track of a ball in the air at night.  No, she listened for where it landed,
and then she go to that area and run and run and run until she sniffed it out.
That certainly wasn't by chance either.  She would eventually zoom in on it.
We played like that during the day too, where I would turn her toward me and
throw the ball or rock or stick in the forest.  After it landed, I would let 
her go (by command. She was not physically being held.)  She loved it.  I also 
did that at night.  Great exercise for her, too.  She went non stop until she
found it.  So maybe if you have a field that the cocker knows (you could also
train the dog to know the limits of a field), you could try that.  I used
to throw the object as far as I could, but you don't have to throw it that 
far.  I think you can also probably trust the cocker to be safe and it will
probably really enjoy the conquest, for pleasing its master.  Just like
humans, don't sell the dog short because of its disability.  You do have
to be careful.

Peter Reissner
missing Kiki so very much.
From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: GSD Heeling problem
Date: 13 Dec 1992 08:03:40 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: USA
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:... (Yes, Max does not care for choking either)

Oops, one other thing, make sure your choke collar is on correctly and
that it is being used properly.  The name choke collar is a misnomer.
A correction should be a swift tightening and *release* of the collar.

What kind of leash are you using?  Some leashes make things easier
than others.

Karen
From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Leaving a puppy alone - b
Date: 19 Dec 1992 14:01:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, michael.hagerty@nitelog.com (Michael Hagerty) says:

>On 12-17-92, JOHN STAFFORD wrote to ALL:
>
>JS> I can provide an otherwise good environment for the pup;
>JS> food, fresh (running) water, shelter, a large fenced in
>JS> area (my home is a retired farm) and so forth but is
>JS> this enough?
>
>seems fine...

Sounds great to me too!

>
>JS> How about getting _two_ pups?  Would they be company
>JS> enough for each other while I am gone?
>
>much better...
>
Just to provide an alternative viewpoint to the two pups issue...

I personally don't think it is such a good idea to get two pups at the
same time.  There is twice the work, twice the training to be done, etc.
You also stand the real chance that the pups will bond to each other 
before they bond to you.  When I taught the puppy classes where there were 
families with two pups, the pups seemed wilder and less interested in 
their people.  In my opinion, a single pup will not have any trouble
being home alone while you are at work, etc.  The pup will most likely
sleep anyway and you can always leave a radio playing softly to give
a reassuring voice.  Even my two just sleep all day, they don't play with
each other when they aren't playing with me.

If you want a second pup, wait a year or two until pup number one has
grown up.

Anyway, just my opinion.

>Regards, Mikey (michael.hagerty@nitelog.com)
>
> * JABBER v1.3B1 #B042 * UNIX:  Multics with its most important parts cut off..
>                                                                                                                                                
>

Gail Brookhart
From: shazam@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Enough Rudeness!!!!  This is rediculous!
Date: 16 Dec 92 01:31:48 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

I think that before you post and respond to something you should also
read the message you are responding to more carefully.  In regards
to the msg about the Dachshund problem, no one ever said that
children were beign mauled ot terrorized in their own home.  As
a matter of fact, it sounded like the dog was being terrorized
by the little 10 year old girl to me.  No one ever mentioned that
the dog had bitten anyone in the face either to the best of my
recollection.  

There is a difference between a dog who is vicious and is attacking
for the sake if killing or maiming, and a dog who has bitten
out of fear or lack of discipline.  I have already written about
Pepper the Boston Terrier my grandparents owned and we have
already discussed the differences of opinions about biting dogs.
Some think they should be put down after one bite, others of us
do not.

Thanks goodness everyone doesn;t have your lack of compassion and
your lack os desire to find the correct solution.  I am not
being ugly or rude, but you have been asked nicely, you have been
given the proper way to reply to postings here, and you still
irriate the hell out of MANY of us.  If you continue to 
persist, I will be forced to take this to a higher authority, and
believe you me "BUD", I will.

Several of us have tried, very nicely, to tel you that we love the 
wya in which everyone interacts here, being friendly, giving helpful
advice, and have differencs of opinion her ewihtout being rude about it.
Something that you obviously cannot do.  I suggest you either try very
hard to curb your rude, unwanted remarks, or take them elsewhere.
They are not wanted here.

Thanks for the third time, everyone, for bearing wiht me.  I just 
could not let that last posting go by without a comment.  They say
third times a charm.  I certainly hope so.  We can all get along
here if we would all only try.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all.  May the Lord 
bless you and keep you safe during the holiday season and throughout
the year.  Min sends kisses and hugs to everyone!

Suzanne and Min
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Hardwood Floors and Dogs
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:49:29 GMT

In <1992Dec17.222315.8779@inel.gov> kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook) writes:

>We're remodeling our older house and would like to remove the carpet and
>refinish the hardwood floors.  My only concern is how this might affect
>my dogs.  They love to run and chase each other all over the house and
>I'm worried that the new floors will be to slick and they may hurt themselves.
>I also once heard that slick floors can agravate/cause? hip dysplasia.
>I've also heard that the dogs may scratch the floors although I keep their
>nails trimmed back. Does anyone have experience with dogs on hardwoods is
>this a bad idea?


>Thanks for any insights,

Well, friend of mine has hardwood floors and two labs plus a lab mix.
She does NOT trim their nails: all have short back nails and all but
one have short front nails (I guess some dogs just stay short).  She
recommends a polyurethane coating on top of everything that limits the
damage from nails.

As for hip displaysia, studies have shown that puppies born with a
propensity to HD can aggravate the clinical symptoms by being on
hardwood floors.  I assume that this is not a problem with adult dogs,
and wouldn't be a problem if the puppy does not have HD at all (but
the jury's not out on that last).

They may well hurt themselves by skidding on the floor and bumping
into things.  In my own experience, make sure any rugs you put down
have rubber backing.  I've seen dogs adapt pretty well to hardwood
floors, but slippery rugs always seem to nail 'em.

--Cindy


--
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The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all ten parts -- is available via ftp to
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Update on neurotic Dachshund!
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:41:53 GMT

Thanks for all the advice!

We decided to try treating Max as a dominance problem first and have been
doing so for the last few days. I asked Lee to:

1. Keep Max crated when not supervised, and supervise around the kids.
2. Have Max wear a choke chain and leash when uncrated, ALWAYS supervised.
3. The entire family to ignore Max for long periods of time.
4. Give Max attention ONLY after he obeyed a SIT or DOWN command on the
   first command, and only pay attention for about 30 seconds before ignoring
   him or giving him another command and another 30 seconds.
5. Restrict his access to the couch. Allow him up only with permission,
   enforce obedience to the OFF command.
6. Use the leash to firmly correct any growling, snaping or biting.

So far, Max is apparently responding VERY well. With only the ignoring and
limited attention, he has stopped the growling and snapping entirely, there
has been no need for leash corrections at all! We're going to give it a while
longer before letting him off leash and easing up a bit on the ignoring. Lee
says the difference was *immediate*.

Hopefully this is all it takes! I'll post if there is any change...

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From: sd007b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Sunil Dixit)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Hardwood Floors and Dogs
Date: 18 Dec 92 04:13:50 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Dec17.222315.8779@inel.gov> kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook) writes:

>We're remodeling our older house and would like to remove the carpet and
>refinish the hardwood floors.  My only concern is how this might affect 
>my dogs.  They love to run and chase each other all over the house and
>I'm worried that the new floors will be to slick and they may hurt themselves.
>I also once heard that slick floors can agravate/cause? hip dysplasia.
>I've also heard that the dogs may scratch the floors although I keep their
>nails trimmed back. Does anyone have experience with dogs on hardwoods is
>this a bad idea?


>Thanks for any insights,

>Kayti and the Border Terriers


Kayti,

My dog *hates* floors he can't get his nails into.  Put him on linoleum and
he's the most unsteady, shivering blob of wimpy dog I've ever seen.  It got
pretty annoying after a while, listening to him whine and waiting for one of
us to guide him onto carpeted flooring, so we looked for a solution.  The
best is putting a narrow strip (or strips, depending upon the layout of the
room) of carpet the dogs can walk on.  You don't even have to train them,
they feel *much* safer on carpet.  Also, watch kids with dogs on the slick
floor;  they think its really hilarious when dogs slip and slide on it. 
Once the dogs slide on that floor for the first time, they'll be very
nervous after that.


Hope it helps,

Sunil 
From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:06:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Hearing ultrasound??
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

I have a similar question!  I am about to order these gadgets for your car
that emit an ultrasonic noise when you drive.  They are supposed to alert
dumb deer who are standing in the road that unless they move, you are going
to hit them.  But since I frequently have my dog in the car, I wonder if my
dog will be able to hear this endless sound and will become irritated or
something?

Have any of you used these deer-alert products?  And if so, have your
dogs seemed to mind them?

Thanks in advance.

Diane
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Eagle Dog Food
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:57:05 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

<1992Dec16.011716.24298@sctc.com>
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH
Keywords: 

In article <1992Dec16.011716.24298@sctc.com> miller@sctc.com (Steven M.
Miller) writes:
>Virtually every dry dog food has ethoxyquin, even if it is NOT LISTED 
>ON THE LABEL.   This is because if the fat in the food was bought
>with ethoxyqin already in it then the company is not required to 
>list it on the label!!!!!!!! 
>........................
>Most likely your dog's itching and coat problems were caused by something
>else in the food he was on or something the food was lacking.

Steve: Although I agree with your assessment that ethoxyquin is most likely
NOT the culprit in a food allergy situation, there are a number of foods on
the market now that are touted as "ethoxyquin-free". For example, the entire
Nature's Recipe line (fat preserved with Tocopherols & Ascorbic Acid), the
Sensible Choice line, Natural Life Condition & Lamaderm, & Wysong Canine
Anergen.

Marget Johnson, Windwagon Newfs
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Crate Training 101-HELP!
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 06:37:03 GMT

In article <1ghck0INNk4c@nigel.msen.com> dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski) writes:
}Curtis Jackson (cjackson@adobe.com) wrote:
}:... Chew toys are a must; two or three of them is better than one because
}:it gives variety.
}
}A word of caution here.  Rawhide is not safe for most dogs to be left
}alone with.  Dogs who really chew on rawhide and get it wet and soft can
}pull off pieces large enough to choke on.  
					    
Agreed; I use Gummabones as chew toys. Although I do give the dogs each
one of those huge rawhide bones every six months or so, and they do eat
the whole thing within an hour or so (I mean the HUGE rawhide bones
that are about 16" or so long). Never had any choking problems, but I'll
keep a more careful eye out.					    
					    
}I would think twice about immediately making a big deal over a dog coming
}out of a crate.  This encourages a dog to get overly excited as soon as
}you get home.  Some dogs will begin digging at the crate door.  In and of
}itself, only as bad as it bothers you, unless the dog catches a toe or 
}accidently lets itself out.  Smart dogs catch on quickly to the latter,
}and the former will send most dogs into a panic. 

Good points. Thinking back on it, I usually just give treats during training
but don't make that big a deal of it -- thanks for catching that.
-- 
Curtis Jackson  DoD #721   '62 Yankee Brunette "Dorothy"    '81 Maxim 650
cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com   '91 Black Lab "Studley"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
  "They that can give up an essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
   safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1759)
From: williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (SETTING UP FOR A FINISH)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Obedience v. Breed (was mutts & purebreds)
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:30:31 EST

.In article <1992Dec10.161303.26523@unislc.uucp>, abb@unislc.uucp (Anne Beck) writes:
> Obedience is an ATHLETIC competition.  The dog must be sound, mentally
> and physically. 

I agree completely.  When we got Spencer, my husband wanted to show breed, but
I wanted to do obedience.    I didn't understand at the time how important it
is for an obedience dog to be sound physically and mentally.  We went with
the "breed" dog, and what we ended up with is a dog who I believe is going to
excel at obedience and field as well as breed. (He's already porven the breed
aspect and we are starting his obedience and field training, which looks like
is the most fun thing in the world to him.)

At my first golden retriever club meeting I was somewhat aggrevated when
another new member basically scoffed when I told the group I was interested
in breed and obedience.  She was mostly interested in obedience and field
and told me that she saw no use for breed.  It was obvious from our later
conversation that she was only looking at the superficial aspects of 
breed competition - grooming!  She had no idea that the underlying concept
was the structure of the dog and its conformation to the breed's standard.
These things are important to the usefulness of the breed.  I think that
breeders do a great disservice when they don't support all three (okay,
some breeds don't have hunting, I know, but you know what I mean).  

Kim   
From: bassett@hpcss01.cup.hp.com (Diane Bassett)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:21:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Help for a Troubled Dog
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs

This is very difficult.  If I were him, and if I felt I had brought in 
knowledgable people to consult on this and I was not successful in changing
this behavior, I would first try to place the dog with someone else.  However,
this is next to impossible because you'd have to be very open about all the
bad behaviors plus get them to sign a waiver swearing you told them about
the biting and that they won't sue you if the dog bites someone else.... So
who would sign up for that kind of liability?  The big question here is whether
someone quite experienced in evaluating and training dogs has gotten involved.
You sound very experienced.  I hate to say it, but I would put the dog down.
And I would immediately adopt another wonderful dog that desparately needs
a home.  

Good luck.
From: vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Snow Dogs
Date: 16 Dec 1992 16:16:01 GMT
Organization: Inter-University Consortium for Political and Social Research
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: tdis.icpsr.umich.edu

In article <1992Dec16.135516.7320@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> glb@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Gina Bull) writes:
>My name is Scotty, and I'm a 6 month old Cocker. I found out
>about snow for the first time last week. I thought it was fun
>to eat!

This snow stuff is really weird, isn't it?  I'm almost a year old, so they
tell me I saw it before, but I don't remember.  My big sister was eating
it.  I saw her eating something, so I came around to see what, and she
wouldn't share, just like usual.  She always has the best toys and the best
food and the best everything, and when I just come around to see what, she
just yells at me and I have to grovel.  But I just keep harassing her until
she gets bored (of course I have to PRETEND to be really submissive -- I
lie on my back and lick her face.  She HATES that, ha ha ha!), and then *I*
get whatever it is after all.  Well, except food.  So she goes and gets
another toy, and then THAT'S the best one and I pester her until I get that
one.  She always has the best one.

(Mom thinks I only want stuff because Molly has it, but that can't be right,
can it?  I'm only a puppy after all, so I just have to learn from what the
grownup dog does.  If the grownup dog has it, it must be what you need to
have, don't you think?  Mom was the Oldest Child in her family, so she
always takes Molly's side....)

Anyway, when Molly was eating the snow, I couldn't figure out what she was
eating.  I couldn't smell anything different from what was everywehre, but
if she was eating, it must be good, right?  She kept moving away from me,
and eating somewhere different, but I never gave up and I kept following
her and trying to figure out what she was eating.

So finally I tried just eating some of that cold white stuff, and you know
what?  It disappears and isn't anything.  Just sort of wet.  You learn
something every day.  If you stick your nose into EVERYTHING, you do, that
is.

I guess I'd better get off here before Molly comes back -- she thinks ALL
the good stuff is hers!

  -- Sophie