HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: follow-up to my posting on misc.jobs.*
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 13 Oct 92 22:56:26 GMT

Just to tell this group I still have lots of supporters.  Bush's siCKnature
did not change the fact that those cards are blood cards, and those blood card
activists are blood carders.

shannon
-------

From: someone at a major US university
To: yeh@netix.com
Subject: Hello!

Shannon,

I read your post in misc.jobs.offered. I have to agree wiht you on the position 
that you took with respect to the mainland chinese green card issue. 

I showed the post to a professor of mine. He also agrees with it. He would be   interested to further discuss this issue with you. If you do not mind emailing  a phone number where he could get in touch with you since my professor doesn't  have internet or email access.

Thank you very much. I hope my email message is not intrusive.
From: s245@cs.utexas.edu (Spring Class Account)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Protest from Beijing !
Date: 10 Oct 1992 15:01:34 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: nada.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Oct10.153943.9506@cis.ohio-state.edu> ren@turtle.cis.ohio-state.edu (li-ming ren) writes:
>A call from china saied CG lodged strong protest in all major party
>newspapers about the protection bill. Anybody has more detailed information
>about this? Please post it on the net.
>
>
>
>Liming Ren		       |    Dept.of Computer and Information Science
>Office WE109 , 2-7039          |    The Ohio State University
>ren@cis.ohio-state.edu         |    Columbus, OHIO43210
>

The strong protest might be really aiming at the F-16 sales to Taiwan.

It is still unclear whether China will risk the entire sino-us relationship

if the F-16 sales actually go through.

China's MFN status is likely to remain safe no matter who will be the next

president of the US, so the central issue for the Chinese government will

be the F-16 sales to Taiwan.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: gang@ms.uky.edu (Gang Li)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
    <1992Oct8.213940.8685@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:05:23 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

>As for my personal life. I don't think I need any education from people like  
>you. In fact, I might not be less successful that your honor (maybe, who  
>knows!). I laugh a lot and am enjoying my life. 

>Carl

"One nice thing about egotists: they don't talk about other people."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li)
Subject: ?????????? PROTECTION BILL: READ MY LIPS! ?????????? 
Keywords: ******** KEEP ONE'S PROMISE ***********
Organization: University of Utah
Distribution: soc
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 19:20:04 GMT

	
	While pushing for the protection bill, from the beginning to the end,
what has been said is that the protection bill is GOOD for CHINESE HUMAN RIGHTS.
Now the bill has become law and the human rights in China still remain the
same.  When you apply and/or receive the greencard, please ask yourself the
three questions and SPEAK FROM THE BOTTOM OF YOUR HEART:

	Q1:	What are you going to do for Chinese human rights?

	Q2:	What are you going to do for those who died on "6.4"?

	Q3:	How much do you own Chinese PEOPLE? Are you going to pay
		back (such as college tuition)?


--------------------------------------------------
DISCLAIMER: I MYSELF IS A BENEFICIARY OF THE BILL.
--------------------------------------------------


JLI
From: gangz@csgo.usc.edu (Gang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Movies during Cultural Revolution
Date: 16 Oct 1992 16:29:50 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: csgo.usc.edu

In article <92290.171315JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu> <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Duo Nao He Zhi Po (Romanian movie)
>(Waves of the Multi-head River)    20
               ^^^^^^^^^^
Not Multi-head River, it's Donau River, originated in Germany (Bavaria or
Black Forest). It runs through Austria, Hungary (Budapest) and Romania.
From: jialin@dogwood.botany.uga.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: 9201 people will be more active
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:22:05 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

In article <9210141531.AA21825@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu> xiaofei@einstein.physics.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang) writes:
>* I am blaming CSS for misleading the US to perceive 
>* China as a nation is still in the dark days of her 50s and 60s.  
>
>It is NOT CSS who are misleading the US ( if there is such a thing ). 
>It is Zhang1 Yi4mou2 and his movies. 

I cann't believe you said that, Xiaofei.
From: lix@doc.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Once again, please join me
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:52:48 GMT
Organization: Boston University

In article <2AD6329F.14206@news.service.uci.edu> yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh) writes:
>I do not think the US employers will buy those blood carders' political
>bullshit.

Well, nobody buys those political bullshits. Nobody is fool, not Bush, not Pelosi. They
know exactly what CSS need and more importantly, what they need. I have told you guys
that the immigration of 40,000 CSS to America is not only their own interest, but also
interests of the States and China (in long run). It is useless for a small group of
people, no matter how brave they are, to fight such two great nations and thousands
of people. Well, Eddie's question about morality makes much more sense.
Though I don't agree with him completely. Yes, some polititians need some excuse,
and some great heroes unnecessarily lied to make such excuse stronger. I don't worry
whether they are moral, they are polititians. The problem, as Eddie asked, is whether
it is moral for me to take the this advantage.

On one hand, as I argued to Scott, I think it is OK, so far I did nothing to deepen
"Guo Nan", I did not kill, and I neither lied. GuoNanCai cames naturally and why
I should refuse to accept?

On the other hand, well, if I accepted such GuoNanCai, having kept silence when
killing and lying happened, there might be something regretable also. I don't know.
Maybe Shannon and Eddie can help. Let me put it in this way, assuming you both
haven't got greencard yet. And you don't need this bill to get greencard. But,
assuming now the layer fee is only houndreds instead of thousands. My question,
whether you two think this is also a kind of FGNC?

I'm not arguing with you two, but really QinJiao. I came before 4-11, but my
family came after that. So I really hesitate whether I should accept this GNC.
If I refuse, I'll take away my family members' chance, it is somewhat unfair
to them, I am affraid.

>  Please join me to lobby the US employers not to hire those blood 
>suckers.
>
>To those who do not tolerate jutice rapers, let's be together again to fight
>with those blood suckers to the very end.  Thank you.
>
>shannon
>-------

Well, I suggest you to join us to do some smaller things to help
China graduately moving to a better society. See my signature:
-- 
The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: j0luo001@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Looking for friends at NCSU
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:31:31 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

I am looking for my friends  Bin1 Chen2 and  Shu1-xu4 Sun1.
They came from Beijing Normal Univ. and are the graduate
students in Dept. of Physics at North Carolina State Univ..
If you know they addresses, please tell me.  I will really
appreciate it!


Jianbin Luo
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: lix@xanadu.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Sue Shannon
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:38:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boston University

In article <1992Oct15.012157.17713@sunspot.noao.edu> library@sunspot.noao.edu (John Cornett) writes:
>(deleted)

Thanks John. You are really nice to stand up whenever we Chinese WuoLi Dou
(fighting in net):-)  Though, I think Mr. Yeh's apology is necessary.

Many friends gave me advices. You haven't yet:-) I still feel uneasy to
take the free bus. I think it is very good for these 40,000 CSS to stay
in this dream land. But I prefer to taking bicycle:-) 

After considering friends' advice, I am thinking to let others to decide
for me. That is, let's appeal Chinese Government to release some innocent
political prisoners, then we thank Uncle Sam and go home.

But the prolem will be two sides: if they release too many, such action
may endanger other's green cards. So I assume we only request 1:1, i.e.,
Old Lix goes home, release Xiao Bin. Shannon Yeh goes home, since Mr. Yeh
is famous, so release Wang Dan. Xiao-lin Li, a professor, exchanges the
release of Chen Ziming. But on the other hand, I don't know how many CSS
can join me yet. What do you think? Can you help? (for example, pass our
message to China's Gao Gan, call for volunteers, etc.)
-- 
The SOS China Education Fund is a non-political, non-profit and independent
organization to raise money promoting the education in rural China. All donations
are tax-deductable. Make checks or money orders payable to: "SOS China Education
Fund"; c/o Jie KANG, 2610 E. 5th Pl, Apt. 1, Tulsa, OK74104, USA.
From: yli@engr.latech.edu (Yueming Li)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Looking for Jinhuaness
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:05:46 GMT
Reply-To: yli@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University

If there is anybody who came from Jinhua city, Zhejiang province, please let me know
thanks.   

Yueming Li
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:28001 soc.culture.taiwan:14437 soc.culture.hongkong:12621
From: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:09:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: odin.1992Oct15.190928.17356
Reply-To: yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang)
Distribution: na
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA

In article <92Oct15.142435edt.107@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>,
liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct15.172807.3359@odin.corp.sgi.com>
yu@chang.asd.sgi.com (Yu Chang) writes:
|> >In article <1bj56mINNas6@agate.berkeley.edu>, bl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Bo-Yi
|> >Lin) writes:
|> >|> 
|> >|> 	Hey, but you do have to give the Japanese credit for building a good
|> >|> infrastructure in Taiwan (albeit for military purposes).  When
the KMT took
|> >|> over they sorta undid what the Japanese built.  Kaohsiong used to
|> >have really
|> >|> wide boulevards until old man Chiang came over; now all we have
are traffic
|> >|> congestions.
|> >
|> >What credit?
|> >
|> >They destroyed everything when they left,
|> >took everything they could and
|> >buried everything they could not destroy or take back.
|>
|> Well, old Jiang did the same thing when he was retreating from the mainland,

[ stuff deleted ]

Everything you said about Chiang was irelevant to the subject.
It was not what to do when you retreat.
It was what credit the japanese deserves.
If you are not able to stick with it, I can let it go.


|>  
|> >What happened to those "real-wide blvds" of 40 years ago?

You have not answer this yet.

I would "guess" a few since I am not qualified to comment, really.

Maybe those are real-wide blvds are not so wide in today's standard?
Maybe there was not a lot cars, motorcycles, bicycles and people like
there is today?

I was Kaoshiung last August for 2 weeks. It is very different from the place
I used to live long ago. But taipei is worse, NY is worse than taipei.
And finally to your suprise, TOKYO is no better either.

What you say is like,

	"Los Angeles was better 100 years ago, we could ride till sundown and 
	 see no one else but all we have now is traffic congestions...
From: stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Da4 Zha4 Lan2 and Guang1 Zha4
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:46:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: stevelin

>
>>Hi, The place in Beijing is spelled as below: 
>>
>>       #          #               # ##### ##### 
>>       #          #   ###  ###    # #   # #   # 
>>       #          #   # #  # #    # ##### ##### 
>>       #          #   # #  # #  #####   # #   # 
>>############### ##### # #  # #    # ##### ##### 
>>       #          #   # #  # #   ## #    #    # 
>>       #          #   # #  # #   ## # ####### # 
>>       #         ### ##########  ####    #    # 
>>       #         ## # # #  # #   ## # ####### # 
>>      # #       # # # # #  # #  # # # #  #  # # 
>>     #   #      # #   # #  # #  # # # # ### # # 
>>    #     #       #   # #  # #    # # ####### # 
>>   #       #      #  #  #  # #    # #   ###   # 
>>  #         #     #  #  # #  #    # #  # # #  # 
>> #           #    # #   # #  #    # # #  #  # # 
>>#             #   #    ##   ##    # ##   #   #  
>
>>And it is pronounced as da4 zha4 lan2, meaning big fence. 
>Yes, we are talking about the same place. But I remebered that when I visited
>Beijing, Beijing folks say "Da4 Shi2 Le4_r". (I am not sure about the spelling
>Le4_r, by which I mean Le4 with an ending pronounciation "er".)
>
The Da Shi Le is  Beijing Tu-hua, it should not show on any class at all.
We are discussion Mandarin pronounciation, not Beijing Hua, not Yueh Hua,
Wu Hua, or Shi-chuan Hua.

The mentioned few words, Kuai, Da Zha Lan, Si Gu (sillion valley) has been
discussed on SCC over and over. I found out people on SCC during TAM time
were honest. They did admit the error and fairly comitted to correct the
pronounciation. To those tend to pronounce Kuai as Hui, have less basis to
argue with. If my grand had a name KUAI, and he was called KUAI in his life
time, that was his name. No one should change his name. So as Qin Kuai!

If Mao Ze-dong could come back and find his name becomes Mao Zei/Jie-dong,
(thief Dong), he would be so angry to death. If Deng's grand came back and found his
name now is simplified to un-recognizable, he would have killed Ah Ping!
In order to keep CCP reform realistic, we must have to pro-long Deng's life,
don't even let some one else touch him. Using Da Zha Lan to protect him.


       #          #               
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       #          #   # #  # #   
       #          #   # #  # #  
############### ##### # #  # #    
       #          #   # #  # #   
       #          #   # #  # #   
       #         ### ##########  
       #         ## # # #  # #   
      ###       # # # # #  # #  
     # # #      # #   # #  # #  
    #  #  #       #   # #  # #    
   #   #   #      #  #  #  # #    
  #    #    #     #  #  # #  #    
 #     #     #    # #   # #  #    
#      #      #   #    ##   ##    

Beijingnese people in Taipei tried so hard to teach people the above
to be Mu Zha. It shouldn't come out his big brother pronounced to be
Da San Lan in any sense. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: umhuang4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Hui Huang)
Subject: Re: Read postscript file?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:50:53 GMT

In <1992Oct9.174722.56398@qut.edu.au> zhoub@qut.edu.au writes:

>If there are some softwares which can be used to read the postscript file 
>directly on PC or UNIX system?
>Any help are appreciate.

On sun's openwindows, there is a pageview tool for viewing ps files. gs
(GhostScript) is another one.

-- 
Hui Huang		Hui_Huang@UManitoba.ca
			Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
                        Phone: (204) 275-5278
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan)
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:48:48 GMT

In article <ldbt2eINNbct@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.163201.19625@odin.corp.sgi.com> (Yu Chang) writes:
>>In article <BvtzKu.1n5@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>
>>|> About one month ago someone was kindly enough to post the result of math
>>|> Olympic, but unfortunately I didn't see any one from the 30% education
>>|> budget place. Something got to be wrong.
>>May be that something went wrong was 30% education budget was spent evenly
>>among the students. Take ROC's living standard into consideration, the
>>tuition and fees for public and private universities is almost nothing.
>>
>Please get some sense, the goal of education for a nation is not just to
>educate a few geniuses, it is call hundred year plan (Bai Lian Da Ji).
>According to Pan's logic, Japan and the US must have wasted a lot of $$$$$$$.
>
Agree, education is not for a few people only. (Shall we cancel the Math
Olympic?) But after reading your so many posters, I lost my confidence
in Taiwan's education system.

>In the world record, at least there are some Nobel Prize winners were educated
>by that "something wrong KMT" system. But in contrast, the one perfect seems
>having no one under that infamous list. May be Xiao Shi Liao Liao, Da Er
>Bu Jia ( Looks great when they were small, but nothing when they grow up).
>CCP has put a program to show how well an elementary school in Zhe-jiang
>teaching pupils for mind calculation, to beat computers. How could human
>beat computers? Get some sense! If yes, that is just minor aspect.

Depends how you look at it. I used to hear "how could computer beats
human being". But, anyway I think what you've said is right.
>>
>Oh yeah, there is one netters disputed him, name like so Fun.;-)
>>|> Dr. Wu Da You, the president of China Science Academy of Taiwan said
>>|> that the basic research is more advanced in mainland than in Taiwan
>>|> after his visiting. 
>>
>>That is very strong accusation and uncalled for.
>>
>Be aware, the saying from a famous person was to get attention from the
>government, not to praise some one else. Using that world in propaganda
>and to be proud of, is in some sense like kids say: I got 100% yesterday,
>why should I do it today. Wu somehow was trying to push his students,
>Yang Cheng Ning and Li Chen Dao to do something more for Chinese people.
>So far these two have no much contribution to Chinese society, at least not
>doing well as his teacher did. The most important one, he was trying to
>get more budget for his institution, to have more students and research
>activities.
>
Does Dr. Wu agree with you? Frankly speaking, I don't think KMT not
spending too much money on basic research is wrong. Even with 30%, you
still need for hundred year plan.

Tingli Pan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha)
Subject: Re: SURVEY -- Be Aware!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 03:10:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.155555.19445@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@wind.UUCP  writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.012951.19418@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlibucha@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Libucha) writes:
>
>>>Since Mr. Matloff is not exactly a neutral third party, please be aware
>>>the possible exploitation of this survey.
>>
>>When you accuse others of ulterior motives please include your name with
>>your post. In fact, please repost this with your name appended. I mean for
>>all I know, you could be Jiang Zemin. Mr. Matloff deserves to know who's
>>sullying his name.
>>
>>Mark Libucha (my name also appears in the header)
>>
>
>Mr. Matloff's position on the Tiananmen Square massacre can be viewed from
>the numerous posts after the instance. It is not a secret. Any folk reading
>SCC that time can voucher my conclusion. To attribute his controversial name
>to my "sullying" would be too flattering.
>
>My post serves as words of caution. Many new netters don't know who
>he is or what he stands for. I provided some backgroud of his past deeds
>to argue that my concern is reasonable. 

Well, I don't know who *you* are.

>
>Since he didn't state his intention, and how the survey is going to
>be used, I pointed out some of the scenarios that the survey can be 
>exploited to damage the unity of the Chinese student democracy movement.
>I certainly hope that it is not his intent, but I don't want to take
>chances given his past records.
>
>J. Chen (my login in the header is self-evident)

On my machine your name does not come out in the header. All I get is

From: news@walter.bellcore.com
>
>PS, Do you also want to know my SS # and mother's maiden name?
>

Only if you want to give it to me :-)

Mark



Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:33:01 GMT

In article <97826@bu.edu> lix@yangtze.bu.edu (Xiaowen Li) writes:
>
>Zhuang Zi Ji Cai Hu Nu Ru,
>Xiao Tan Ke Yin Xiong Lu Xue.
>
>Some bodies, after being westernized, think that is wrong to be canibalist,
>while others proved that Xiong Lu Xue is red wine and Hu Nu Ru is nothing
>more than cheese. Well, you can keep arguing. But please donate no later than
>Steve Lin.


I assume Yue Fei is a Christian. Juses once said: "Drink it, it is my
blood, ... eat it, it is my flesh ...."

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:34:51 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.145801.10755@news.acns.nwu.edu> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.055241.9170@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu  
>(Chang-ning Qu) writes:
>> >I am not a ultra-rightist. Why bother to burn the temple down? It is a good  
>> >place to suck tourists' money. It is also a place to ask people like Steve  
>Lin  
>> >to pay 3 times as much as a Chinese does. Why should we burn it down? Only  
>> >stupid ultra-rightists will probably do this. To me, Temple of Yue Fei is as  
>> >same as Shao4 Lin2 Shi4 (Shaolin Temple).
>> >
>> >Carl
>> 
>> 
>>      Sounds from a real businessman. Any way, money is entirely
>>      bad thing. I just wonder if Mr. Lin has really interests 
>>      in going and seeing Yue Fei's Temple. 
>
>Well, you sound pretty pure. Is money entirely bad thing? Can you do without  
>it? You sound like Lei Feng. But, having dealt with too many people in China  
>who trumpet "money is bad thing" while greedily dig money everywhere, I can  
>imagine what kind of people your honor are. Why not be a little bit more  
>realistic, sir? (maybe you are already too realistic in your heart).
>
>Carl

  Carl, on the my above posting, I missed one word "not" in the sentence
"Any way... " , should be "Any way, money is NOT entirely bad thing".
I corrected it when I found the error in 3 minutes and concelled the
posting and reposted again(you could see it). I am astounished that
you are so alerted to catch me up just follow my every pace.
Sorry for my not quite careful on writing, but don't work so hard
to attack others even for their writing errors.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:24:49 EDT
From: <JXL124@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: What's Yeh's political stand anyway?

Harsh words have been used between Yeh and others. Yeh used the term
"bloodcarders",send mail to U.S. employers and even threatened to use extreme
means.  Yeh did this because he wants to stop Chinese students from taking
advantage of the Tiananmen heros's blood, as he pretends.  But here is the
crucial question:  What is Yeh's opinion on Tiananmen Massacre and further, on
CG?  Could Yeh make a clear statement of his political stand, so that netters
could decide whether the contradiction is "renmin nei bu mao dun" or "di wo mao
dun"?  JL
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