HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers.malicious,alt.hackers
Subject: Re: Software HOARDING (was Re: a few CERTAIN FTP sites......)
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:50:40 GMT
	<ORION.92Jul29183057@nuchat.nuchat.sccsi.com> <4NUH3Y3@taronga.com>
Followup-To: alt.hackers.malicious,alt.hackers
Organization: Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139
In-reply-to: peter@taronga.com's message of 30 Jul 92 11:38:46 GMT

In article <4NUH3Y3@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <ORION.92Jul29183057@nuchat.nuchat.sccsi.com> orion@nuchat.nuchat.sccsi.com (Roland Dunkerley) writes:
>>	|> Come on, GNU fans, prove me wrong. Give me something the
>>	|> mundanes can appreciate. Microsoft Delenda Est.
>
>>I think this will happen, just that it will unfortunately take more
>>time.
>
>And by that time what will the new "killer apps" be? The FSF is ahead
>of the curve on hackerware, but it's playing catch-up (and only with
>a nominal effort) on mundaneware. And mundaneware is what creates the
>larger demand for computers that's driving the development of better
>computers for us all.

   Using your own terms, the GNU Project wants to have a more or less
complete set of "hackerware" first, because that will decrease the amount
of time it takes before people can start working on your so-called free
"mundaneware".  Someone is still working on a spreadsheet---there have been
delays because the original person working on it left the FSF. 

   The FSF is relatively small, so it's no surprise that we're not capable
of keeping up with the rest of the industry.  Without all the volunteers
who have helped over the years, we'd be much further behind, in fact. 

   I like those terms (hackerware vs. mundaneware).  :-)

Newsgroups: alt.hackers.malicious,alt.hackers
From: spiff@nowhere (Spiff)
Subject: Re: Software HOARDING (was Re: a few CERTAIN FTP sites......)
Organization: The great big hole in the sky
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:25:52 GMT

In article <UHTH38C@taronga.com>, peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
> In article <ORION.92Jul28145557@nuchat.nuchat.sccsi.com> orion@nuchat.nuchat.sccsi.com (Roland Dunkerley) writes:
> >I think the biggest reason that most
> >current free software is for hackers is that the hackers
> >writing the software find that software to be more 'useful.'
> 
> I definitely agree with this as the reason that most (I would say
> virtually all) free software is designed for hackers instead of
> mundanes. The fact remains, though, that without "software hoarding"
> there wouldn't have been anything like the spread of computers we've
> seen in the past decade. However distasteful you might think it, it's
> demonstrably necessary for the health of the computer world.
> 

     Why would you spend the time to write something [to give it away 
for free] unless it was of any real value to yourself. I'd don't know 
about the rest of you computer geeks, but I spent the majority of my free
time coding something to make my computer a bit more fun or easier to
use (For myself). If anything I wrote was particularly usefull, and I thought
other people might get some use out of it, then I would start giving it away.
     I really doubt someone would spend a whole lot of time coding 
some program that was of no great use to themselves, and then give it away.

Spiff.

ObWasteOfMyTime: I was up really late (or early) last night trying to
get MS paint for windows to use more than 16 colors. After writing programs
to dump pallette files, edit and view pallette files I realized that changing
a pallette file would not add new colors, just blend in pixels. And, after 
being depressed for a while, I realized that double ckicking on the color
in paint, allowed you to edit the same pallette that I had spent a tonne of time
trying to figure out. So I guess i'll have to finish coding my 256 color
drawing program =-(

> -- 
>                                                                 `-_-'
>                          Have you hugged your wolf today?        'U`
> 
> Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
Newsgroups: alt.hackers.malicious,alt.hackers
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: not a test
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:27:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.075512.21400@cbfsb.cb.att.com> cooper@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (Ralph 'Hairy' Moonen) writes:
>And you loose brownie points for using sscanf.

Agreed. Personally, I'd use strchr:

	i = 0;
	while(buf && *buf) {
		flds[i++] = buf;
		if(buf = strchr(buf, ' ')) {
			*buf++ = '\0';
			while(isspace(*buf)) buf++;
		}
	}

Don't forget to null-terminate the strings!
-- 
                                                                `-_-'
                         Have you hugged your wolf today?        'U`

Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu (Hari Seldon)
Subject: Re: /etc/passwords
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 03:55:12 GMT

In <1992Jul22.223744.24893@news.uiowa.edu> stu@hitchcock (Stuart F. Oberman) writes:

>Regarding the format of the encryption scheme used by UNIX systems,
>check the man pages on crypt. The resulting encryption is always 13
>characters and stored either in a password file on the individual
>machine in /etc/passwd, or in the yellow pages if using NFS
>yellow pages. Using a ypcat will generate an equivalent file of login
>information.

>Obhack: Implementing the aforementioned trojan horse
>scheme, where the yellow pages is consulted and password is verified
>before it writes to a file. However, while this is (somewhat) easily
>done, an additional challenge is to log the user in and mask your own
>process, so that the entire event appears transparent.
don't forget to get rid of the capturing process. wouldn't want some
user to do a ps and see it hanging there.

bill pociengel
--
bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: kibirev@csa.bu.edu (oleg kibirev)
Subject: Re: Debugging program on mailing machine
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: kibirev@csa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:34:09 GMT
X-Posted-From: csa.bu.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <6NQHY31@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>In article <1992Jul25.012355.11106@ctr.columbia.edu> kibirev@csa.bu.edu (oleg kibirev) writes:
>>As I already mentioned in some ObHack, I am writing a program to allow access
>>to Internet host (shell, maybe even line editor like ed(1)) via e-mail only
>
>Wow. You're showing anyone who can read the mail spool on half a dozen systems
>how to execute any arbitrary program on your account, with your password in
>plaintext no less!
>
Wow. Mr. Peter da Silva is flaming every article in alt.hackers, 
alt.hackers.malicious, comp.unix.wizards and probably more without
ever posting his own hack. Or suggesting a better alternative to what
he flames. I suggest an addition to FAQ: no flame without ObHack.

I think, consulting crypt(1) and uuencode(1) should enlighten someone
how to avoid sending text password. There are also other methods. For
example, you can use a random number generator with large period and
initial salt known by both sender and recipitant to provide unique
indentification for each message (server can compensate for lost mail
by looking a few numbers ahead). Oops, sorry, I don't think improving
system security is the best subject for this group...

Bthw, how does one read /var/spool/mqueue without becoming root first?

>Shouldn't this be in alt.hackers.malicious? :->

Oh yes, ObHack: alt.hackers.malicious is no longer moderated. 
Special thanks for a person who explained that I need to post control.

>-- 
>                                                                `-_-'
>                         Have you hugged your wolf today?        'U`
>
>Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032

The sig very approporiate for flames, isn't it? :)



Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: nimouat@napier.waterloo.edu (Nikos Mouat)
Subject: /etc/passwords
Keywords: what kind of encription
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:23:42 GMT

What kind of encoding scheme is used, is it RSA?
I noticed in the file, a userid, a bunch of letters, and a couple of
numbers, followed by a bunch of finger info.
Are the two numbers your n and p (I forget precisely how rsa encription works)
And if it is RSA encryption, does it use the unix ASCII equivalent to 
encode the letters? 

Cheers,
Nikos.
From: buck@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Jesse Buckley)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: making the named pipe work on a cluster
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:36:44 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York -- Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul28.013131.3625@eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.231625.18562@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> ben@rex.chb.uokhsc.edu (Benjamin Z. Goldsteen) writes:
>>
>>    So, every user should have there own version of inews?  That may
>>satisfy one person.  You could, of course, modify inews to run a .file,
>>but still, named pipes allow for a certain variety that would not otherwise
>>be possible.  Named pipes in UNIX might not be the world's best
>>implementation, but, what feature in UNIX is implemented nicely?  Lets
>>face it, the semantics of half of UNIX leave something to be desired...
>>however, that is a lot better then most other OS's.
>
>Each user only needs his own copy of the Pnews script, at least with
>rn-- that's no biggee.

ObHackAndAnswer:
 alias rn setenv EDITOR siged ; /usr/local/bin/rn -m !*; unsetenv EDITOR

Where siged is an editor the adds on my sig.  (Either before or
after...)

-- 
=) Buck (buck@sunyit.edu)
"If you are a fatalist, what can you do about it?"
		-- Ann Edwards-Duff
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
From: kibirev@csa.bu.edu (oleg kibirev)
Subject: Re: /etc/passwords
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 05:59:02 GMT
X-Posted-From: csa.bu.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <bill.711863712@chaos.cs.umn.edu> bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu (Hari Seldon) writes:
>In <1992Jul22.223744.24893@news.uiowa.edu> stu@hitchcock (Stuart F. Oberman) writes:
>
>>Obhack: Implementing the aforementioned trojan horse
>>scheme, where the yellow pages is consulted and password is verified
>>before it writes to a file. However, while this is (somewhat) easily
>>done, an additional challenge is to log the user in and mask your own
>>process, so that the entire event appears transparent.
>don't forget to get rid of the capturing process. wouldn't want some
>user to do a ps and see it hanging there.
>
If you make your process a process group leader (setpgid(0,0)) and detach
it from tty, ps won't display it w/o both -g and -x switches. Neither it's
hard to name the nasty program at will, like "sh" or "in.telnetd".

Don't forget to debug your password grabber. Wouldn't want some user
to break from it to your shell and add (sleep 256;stty 0)& to your
.cshrc. Or get a hold of sh setuid to you. 

Oleg Kibirev
From: valdis@vttcf.cc.vt.edu (Valdis Kletnieks)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: Debugging program on mailing machine
Date: 27 Jul 92 04:45:19 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

In article <6NQHY31@taronga.com> peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
>Wow. You're showing anyone who can read the mail spool on half a dozen systems
>how to execute any arbitrary program on your account, with your password in
>plaintext no less!
>
>Shouldn't this be in alt.hackers.malicious? :->

Peter: No.

This belongs in alt.hackers.shot.self.in.foot ;)

ObHack:  Porting the IBM Pascal/VS compiler to the MUSIC operating
system.  Since the compiler is itself written in Pascal, this
involved compiling most of the modules on an IBM OS/VS1 system and
shipping the text decks over (thank the God of Programmers that
MUSIC and VS1 have compatible text deck formats.,.)  All that was
left after that was fixing some problems in the system's OS simulator
so that it would run correctly while loaded in the system re-entrant
library.  What a zoo *that* was...

				Valdis Kletnieks
				Computer Systems Engineer
				Virginia Tech
From: moser@sw.stratus.com (Tom Moser)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: another bogus test
Keywords: bs bs bs
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:00:28 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

Obhack: A SNOBOL program to read the OS sources and write a manual for the
	system documentation set.
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: Debugging program on mailing machine
Date: 26 Jul 92 21:17:25 GMT
Organization: Taronga Park BBS

In article <1992Jul25.012355.11106@ctr.columbia.edu> kibirev@csa.bu.edu (oleg kibirev) writes:
>As I already mentioned in some ObHack, I am writing a program to allow access
>to Internet host (shell, maybe even line editor like ed(1)) via e-mail only

Wow. You're showing anyone who can read the mail spool on half a dozen systems
how to execute any arbitrary program on your account, with your password in
plaintext no less!

Shouldn't this be in alt.hackers.malicious? :->
-- 
                                                                `-_-'
                         Have you hugged your wolf today?        'U`

Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
Newsgroups: alt.education.disabled
From: jmerchan@dit.upm.es (Juan Carlos Torrecilla Merchan)
Subject: Prediction system
Organization: UUES, Asociacion de Usuarios de UNIX, Spain
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:45:56 GMT


Newsgroups: alt.education.disabled
From: jmerchan@dit.upm.es (Juan Carlos Torrecilla Merchan)
Subject: Prediction system
Organization: UUES, Asociacion de Usuarios de UNIX, Spain
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:54:38 GMT
From: j..barrett@madness.network23.com (J. Barrett) 
Newsgroups: alt.education.disabled
Subject: BRAILLE OUTPUT
Date: 24 Jul 92 23:43:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Terminal Madness BBS - Newport, RI - 401-848-9069
Reply-To: j..barrett@madness.network23.com (J. Barrett) 

Keywords: Braille blind visual robotics
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1992 20:46:28 GMT
--For a project, i hope to come up with some way to create
--a micro-controlled braille display. (i'm an engineer at Simon
--Fraser U. in Canada)
--Unfortunately, I know only one blind child & don't see him too often.
--Anyone have any references on where I could get standards
--& the braille alphabet?
kaari,
a few decades ago i wrote up a three part text file
on braille for a local project. it shows the 6 cell
display with each alpha letter and some combination
sounds. interested?
here is a sampling of what im talking about:
a .-   b.-  c ..  d..   e .-  f ..   g..   h .-  i-.   j -.
  --    .-    --   -.     -.    .-    ..     ..   .-     ..
  --    --    --   --     --    --    --     --   --     --
i could send it to you via a disk w/free matter for
the blind.
from j.barrett@madness.network23.com
                                                                                                  
Newsgroups: alt.education.distance
From: Reg Foulkes
Subject: Re: MOTION Course on Russian, in English, with Esperanto mentions.
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:07:26 GMT

In article <4g3mbqyv@cck.coventry.ac.uk> esz001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Will
Overington) writes:

>I found that while learning French, years ago, that a lot of my
>problems were that I did not understand the grammar principles
>when they were clouded by the irregularities in the language.
>
  This is the reason it takes so much time to learn laguages well.

>It occured to me that expressing the grammar in Esperanto, with its
>logical structure might well be beneficial.

  And it might not. Having to learn Esperanto to learn Russian seems
like the long way around the bush. I do not know Esperanto and since I 
have only a limited 
time on Earth I would rather spend my time learn living &breathing 
languages. But that is only my preference. Let the classes begin.  



--------------------------------
Reg Foulkes                             Bell-Northern Research
riskit@x400gate.bnr.ca           2745 Iris Street
Telephone :(613) 763-4131     Ottawa, Ontario., Canada  K1Y 4H7
Newsgroups: alt.education.distance,alt.uu.future
From: amadeus@aegis.or.jp (Anthony Abry)
Newsgroups: alt.education.distance
Subject: Chebyshev Polynomail
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:36:55 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

I think what Ian had meant was that unit 2 appeared before unit 1 (at 
least that is how I got it). So I did not understand unit 2. After I 
received unit 1 I did. And I was amazed by the graph it produced on 
my piece of paper. Thanks

Thony

--
Anthony Abry  
JUNET: amadeus@aegis.or.jp (within Japan)
BITNET: amadeus%aegis.or.jp@jpnkyoto.bitnet (international)
Xref: sparky alt.education.distance:246 alt.uu.future:122
From: duncan@spd.eee.strathclyde.ac.uk (Duncan C Thomson)
Newsgroups: alt.education.distance
Subject: Re: russian
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:58:36 GMT
Organization: SPD, Strathclyde University, Glasgow, Scotland
Originator: duncan@ossian

In alt.education.distance, amadeus@aegis.or.jp (Anthony Abry) writes:
>I think we should stick with using English in order to explain other 
>languages' concepts. Russian has some complicated concepts, Esparanto 
>was made to be simple - isn't there a contradiction?

Even though Esperanto is simple, it is simple through being regular and
fairly logically organised, not through a lack of expressiveness or
advanced constructs.  For example I am certain that Esperanto has more
compound tenses than English...

>Also, more people are more familiar with English and its grammar.

With English as my first language, I am more certain of saying something
grammatically correct in Esperanto than in English.  English grammar is
a very difficult thing to use correctly.

Why not look at it like this: you're going to learn Russian, and pick up
some Esperanto on the way for free.

	-Duncan
-- 
Duncan   <duncan@spd.eee.strathclyde.ac.uk> |  .__ _. _ .__._  _ , .___ _
Thomson     (OR <cnbr50@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>) |  |_ |_ |_||_ |_|/_\|\| | / \
SPD, Dept of EEE, University of Strathclyde |  |__._||  |__| \| || | | \_/
204 George Street, Glasgow G1 1XW, UK       | esperanto - lingvo internacia
From: duncan@spd.eee.strathclyde.ac.uk (Duncan C Thomson)
Newsgroups: alt.education.distance
Subject: Re: MOTION Course on Russian, in English, with Esperanto mentions.
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:50:42 GMT
Organization: SPD, Strathclyde University, Glasgow, Scotland
Originator: duncan@ossian

In alt.education.distance, Reg Foulkes writes:
>In article <4g3mbqyv@cck.coventry.ac.uk> esz001@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Will
>Overington) writes:
>
>>It occured to me that expressing the grammar in Esperanto, with its
>>logical structure might well be beneficial.
>
>  And it might not. Having to learn Esperanto to learn Russian seems
>like the long way around the bush.

Actually, there was some study which suggested that people spending four
years at school learning some foreign language (I forget which language)
learnt more of the language if the first year was spend learning only
Esperanto.  I don't have the reference, but someone in soc.culture.esperanto
might be able to tell you...

> I would rather spend my time learn living &breathing languages.

I will not flame.  I will not flame.  I *will* *not* flame... :-)

Amike,

	-Duncan
-- 
Duncan   <duncan@spd.eee.strathclyde.ac.uk> |  .__ _. _ .__._  _ , .___ _
Thomson     (OR <cnbr50@vaxa.strath.ac.uk>) |  |_ |_ |_||_ |_|/_\|\| | / \
SPD, Dept of EEE, University of Strathclyde |  |__._||  |__| \| || | | \_/
204 George Street, Glasgow G1 1XW, UK       | esperanto - lingvo internacia
From: amadeus@aegis.or.jp (Anthony Abry)
Newsgroups: alt.education.distance
Subject: russian
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:41:25 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

I think we should stick with using English in order to explain other 
languages' concepts. Russian has some complicated concepts, Esparanto 
was made to be simple - isn't there a contradiction? Also, more 
people are more familiar with English and its grammar.

Thony

--
Anthony Abry  
JUNET: amadeus@aegis.or.jp (within Japan)
BITNET: amadeus%aegis.or.jp@jpnkyoto.bitnet (international)
Newsgroups: alt.education.distance
From: hillman@carina.unm.edu (Dan Hillman)
Subject: Please Repost UK Computer Conference Class Info 
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 04:03:30 GMT
Organization: Holy Order of Quadra 950 Lust
Keywords: *Expired*!?! Whatdayameeeean, expired!?!

The subject line says it all. There was some information posted about
a class on computer conferencing that is being offered by a university
in the UK and taught via e-mail.

It looked interesting so I marked it as unread, intending to get back
to it, but when I went back the next day, it had expired from my
newsreader. :-( 

Would someone who has this information please repost?

Thank you.
-- 
Dan Hillman                  "If all the poetry and nonsense that have been
hillman@carina.unm.edu       discharged upon the bland scenery of this region
University of New Mexico     region were collected in a book, it would make
Land of Enchantment          a most valuable volume to burn."--Samuel Clemens
Xref: sparky alt.dcom.telecom:423 comp.dcom.modems:11126
From: rlippert@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Ryan Jon Lippert)
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: using call waiting with modems
Date: 24 Jul 92 22:29:42 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee

With callwaiting you just get kicked off,Only way to avoid that is to cancell it for that call(*70)
From: bill@hacktic.nl (Bill Squire)
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom
Subject: Re: Tone Dialing - frequencies etc?
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:36:30 GMT
Organization: Hack-Tic Magazine

u910996@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Delroy Hartley) writes:

> I am trying to program my computer so that it will do tone dialing for me.
> Are the frequencies of the required tones universally standard?  IE since
> I am in Australia will it be different to USA tones.  What are the
> frequencies I should use.  I would be grateful for any help in this area.
> 
> --
> Delroy Hartley
> u910996@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au
> 

Yes, DTMF is the same everywhere, as if MFC and R2, all of which will be
useful down there!

                                                        Bill
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom,alt.education.distance,comp.groupware,rec.video.satellite
From: andrew@calvin.dgbt.doc.ca (Andrew Patrick)
Subject: What to read about Video Teleconferencing?
Summary: I want to read about the state-of-the-art
Organization: Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:41:46 GMT


I want to get up to speed on the topic of Video Teleconferencing.  What
should I be reading?  Any recent books or magazine articles you can
recommend?  Any significant standards documents I should be reading?

Thanks

-- 
Andrew Patrick, Ph.D.       Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, CANADA
                       andrew@calvin.dgbt.doc.CA
                       
  For a good time, run "telnet debra.dgbt.doc.ca" and login as "chat".
Newsgroups: alt.dcom.telecom