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From: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Perscription Swimming Goggles
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:35:53 GMT
Reply-To: warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.  Mt. View, Ca.
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Everytime I swim with my contact on, there is always that fear of them 
accidentally getting washed out of my eye(s), that would be a nightmare
come true if this really happended during a triathlon.  I was wondering
if anybody knows of companies would make perscription goggles.  And if
they do, I would like to know if they come in various tints, are they
fog proof, leak proof and reliabity.  I need comments or recommendations.

Tx
Dave
From: luebke5317@iscsvax.uni.edu (Phil Luebke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: College Swimming Problem
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:56:49 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I would like some comments/suggestions concerning the following:

I am one of six captains on our college swim team.  We are not real gung-ho,
and probably should not even be in Division I (no scholarships).  We swim six
days a week for two hours.  On Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays we have weight
training in the morning (6AM).  Attendance at weights has typically been sparse
(duh! -- I wonder why).  This year, our coach has told us (captains) that
weights are mandatory, but it is up to us to enforce it.  The solution was that
if someone misses weights, they can't swim that day, but must be at practice 
anyway to do dryland.  I don't think this is the best solution.  I feel it may 
hurt the team by keeping the non-morning people (myself included) out of the 
water up to three days out of the week.

As I said, we don't get scholarships, so there's really no tough enforcement
method (i.e. potential loss of scholarship).  Does anyone have any suggestions?
What are your feelings on the current method?

Also:  This year our coach has decided that he doesn't have to be at our weight
training sessions, because "he doesn't want to be a baby-sitter." (whatever
that means).  It seems to me that a coach gets paid to do such things and that
he should be present.  I also feel that HE should be responsible for ensuring
that his swimmers go to weights, not the captains.  Am I wrong?  What are your
experiences/opinions?

                                        Thanks a bunch!

                                                - Phil
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University of Northern Iowa
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: "sven anderson" <sven@mantaray.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Swimming back injury?
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:44:28 -0500


I have recently begun to experience persistent soreness and
stiffness in my upper back muscles near the spine, just below the
shoulder blades.  (After swimming regularly the last 5 years with
no problem.)  This is surely related to my swimming, 80% of which
is freestyle.  I always stretch and have even tried laying off
for a few days with no luck.  Does anyone have experience with
this?  Is there a specific stretch I should be doing to avoid
this?

Suggestions welcome.

  sven@cs.indiana.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: tomas@leland.Stanford.EDU (Thomas J. Monica)
Subject: Re: E-Mail Swim Meet - Anyone Interested?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 00:59:03 GMT

In article <1der5nINNs8h@agate.berkeley.edu> sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield) writes:
>In article <1505@tekgen.bv.tek.com> brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney) writes:
>#>
>#>I often see flyers for "Postal" Swim Meets ...
>#>
>#>The event(s) doesn't have to a "traditional" one, either.
>#>Here in Oregon we have a Postal Sprint Meet: 20 x 50 yards
>#>on the 1:30. "Awards" (recognition) for best average, smallest
>#>std. deviation, etc. 
>#>
>#>Anyone interested?
>#>
>#>Bruce Cheney
>
>I competed in something like that about 10 years ago.
>50, 100, 200, 500, and 1650 free, and 200 and 400 IM.
>You had to swim in meets and turn in the best times
>for those events in a specified time period. It took
>a few months to amass times in all those events.
>
>Steve Goldfield

I think this is a good idea, but why don't we start out simple? It will
help the level of participation.

tom

-- 
Porpise: run, bike, swim, make cookies


"long distance runner, what you holding out for?"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: seeking mailorder sources
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:39:01 GMT
Keywords: swim gear catalog

In article <1992Nov11.151434.28522@mr.med.ge.com> paul@mr.med.ge.com (Chuck Paul 4-6544 MRCE) writes:
>
>I would appreciate a reply from someone who could point me to a an
>address or phone number for a catalog of mail-order swimming gear.
>
>Is there such a catalog?  Maybe these addresses & phone numbers
>could go in the FAQ file underconstruction.

  
Could you please post rather than e-mail replies? I'd like to know too.
Thanks.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: Personal Build
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:29:58 GMT

sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield) writes:

>In article <1dm0lsINNr53@agate.berkeley.edu> sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield) writes:
>#>
>#>When it comes to distance, one of the key factors is the balance
>#>between two kinds of muscles. One is good for short bursts, the

>What I should have said is "two kinds of muscle tissue" or
>"two kinds of muscle cell."

I think these are called "slow twitch" and "fast twitch"
muscle fibers .. you can probably guess which one is better
for sprinting, and which one is better for endurance.

>Steve Goldfield
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Personal Build
Date: 9 Nov 1992 15:38:36 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

In article <24685.721150323@bonnie.ics.uci.edu> jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder) writes:
#>>> What I've noticed
#>>> build-wise is that most of the best freestylers and butterflyers, especially
#>>> women, have hyperextendable knees.  Matt Cetlinski coaches and trains
#>>> a little here in Maryland, and the first time I saw him on deck I was
#>>> stunned at how much flexion he had in his knees.
#>>>
#>>Don't forget plantar flexion of the ankles, which is very important in
#>>terms of kicking propultion.  Also big hands and feet don't hurt.
#>
#>Well, from what I have been told, the size and strength is good.... as long
#>as you don't have to swim a long race.  I myself am about the same size as you
#>and have never had problems racing 50-200 free or of strokes but when it
#>came to anything longer, I always lost.  Also, the more muscle you have,
#>more often than not, flexibility is lost and in swimming, flexibility is
#>probably one of the most fundamental, should I say, "talents" of the
#>swimmer.  I myself could never touch my toes....
#>
#>-D

When it comes to distance, one of the key factors is the balance
between two kinds of muscles. One is good for short bursts, the
other for endurance. Different people have different proportions
of these two types of muscles; I think there is also a statistical
difference between women and men with women having more endurance.
Personally, the longer the race, the better I always did.

On flexibility, you only lose it if you develop muscles
asymmetrically. In muscle groups, there are usually two or more
opposing muscles that control movement. If you develop one
but not the others you lose flexibility. But if you develop
all equally, that should not happen. There is a science to
weight work, just as there is a science to swimming fastest
with least effort.

Steve Goldfield
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Itchy Skin
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:07:46 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA


I use shower gel rather than soap. It wasn't a cure-all but it reduced
the problem quite a bit.  I didn't get that itchy, cracking feeling
anymore when I arched my back.  BTW I used Soft Soap shower gel, both
the Aloe Vera and the skin softening type. My back couldn't tell the
difference ;-). It's cheap and works fairly well.

For severe drying, I used Lubri-derm lotion, or my local drugstores
reasonable facsimile (it costs half as much), after showering. 

-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy                              Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Subject: Re: Butterfly timing
Reply-To: hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 02:41:38 GMT

sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield) writes:
>
>butterfly first to practice kicking without stroking
>(without a board) so that the body gets used to the
>undulating motion. Then he advised working on the arm
>pull without consciously trying to kick. When you do
>so, the body naturally undulates. Then you put it

How can one do the butterfly pull wothout the kick?  With a pull-buoy?
I've been practicing butterfly kick for a while, doing great, but never
able to get on the pull.
Unfortunately my instructor confessed that he doesn't really know how to
teach the butterfly.  This thread's done more than he.
Tnx for the time and help,
Harry Xu  (KB2LHA)        hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
From: earhartgregm@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Personal Build
Date: 7 Nov 92 01:32:10 GMT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Nov5.221558.28910@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, jgacker@news.gsfc.nasa
> .gov (James G. Acker) writes:
> What I've noticed
> build-wise is that most of the best freestylers and butterflyers, especially
> women, have hyperextendable knees.  Matt Cetlinski coaches and trains 
> a little here in Maryland, and the first time I saw him on deck I was
> stunned at how much flexion he had in his knees.
> 
Don't forget plantar flexion of the ankles, which is very important in 
terms of kicking propultion.  Also big hands and feet don't hurt.

greg
From: rule@kenyon.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Swimming Injury?  (was: Re: Ultra Distance Swims
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:29:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: kenyon.1992Nov9.222916.152
Organization: Kenyon College

In article <1992Nov4.181750.15406@webo.dg.com>, fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman) writes:
> In article <1992Nov2.225613.142@kenyon.edu> rule@kenyon.edu writes:
>>I wouldn't triple your yardage quickly.  I'm up to 8600 and I doubt I'll go
>>much higer, mainly because I'm a sprinter but also it took us almost a month to
>>get up to this much yardage.  You just can't spring into it, you have to work
>>into it very slowly....
> 
> 8600 YARDS? In ONE day? At one time??
> 
> May I ask how long it takes you to do 8600 yards?
> 
> I have trouble squeezing 2500 yards into an hour, but this includes time-out
> for combat swimming.. 
> 
> Thanks..
> 
> 						Mike Fishman
> {									      }
> {These are strictly my opinions and not necessarily those of my employer      }
> {									      }
> {									      }
> { PS: email: fishman@tracker.webo.dg.com .or. mike_fishman@DGC.ceo.dg.com     }
> 



Well, it depends actually.. That night it took us about 2 1/2 hours.  Tonight,
we did another 8600 yards and this time it only took 2 hours 10 minutes.... 

To give you an example, here's our workout:

200 warmup
500 reverse IM  (200 free 150 breast 100 back 50 fly)
24 x 75 Fin Kick Step-down 
	2 on 1:10
	2 on 1:00
	2 on :55
	2 on :50
10 x 50 pull Step down 1-5 on 1:00
6 x 800
	Odds straight on 9:00 (I did 700's instead)
        Evens:  8 x 100 :05 sec rest in between each- best average

and I'm missing a set somewhere.....

	John
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: kporterf@scott.skidmore.edu (Kevin S. Porterfield)
Subject: Personal Build
Organization: Department of Math and Computer Science, Skidmore
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:16:57 GMT

   Here's a question that has been on my mind for quite a long time. I have 
a rather large build (6'1" and 190lbs). Yet one of the only races I lost in 
high school in my specialty (100 Breast) was to a guy who was my same height 
but much more lanky (sp?) then me. Is there any apparant advantage in having 
a big build or a skinny one? Would it possibly depend on the stroke that you 
are swimming (I could understand how a skinnier person would thrive more in 
freestyle than a big one would...maybe...I dunno)?

   And just a comment: Horray for Anita Nall getting the positive 
recognition that she deserves in Swimming World this month!!!!!

-Kev

*****************************************
* SKID-SWIM                             *
*      SKID-PAIN                        *
*           SKID-WIN                    *
*                SKIDMORE!!!            *
*****************************************
From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Places to swim FAQ Great Idea
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:26:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: kestrel.1992Nov11.022651.26486
Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA

In article <1992Nov03.220528.7986@convex.com> peters@convex.COM (James Peters) writes:
>In article <31OCT92.15113472@enh.nist.gov> aoml@enh.nist.gov writes:
>>This is a great idea.  I just got back from a business trip in Rockville
>>Md. and because of Internet replys to my posting, was able to show up,
>>unannounced for two mornings of training at the Rockville Municipal pool.
>>Mucho thanks to shon shampain and his wife for their hospitality and to
>>Rachel Schwartz and Jim Acker for their responses.  Its really nice to
>>get an hour of training in before sitting at a meeting all day!
>>Mark Powell NOAA Hurricane Research Division, Miami Fl
>
>i agree that this would be a good thing to have. i believe masters has
>a hardcopy list out there which would make a good starting point.
>
>BTW, where do the clearwater and st petersburg, florida masters swim?
>
>regards,
>james, peters@convex.com


US Masters, 508-886-6265, will fax you a list if you ask nicely.

-dk
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: E-Mail Swim Meet - Anyone Interested?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 22:21:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

In article <1505@tekgen.bv.tek.com> brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney) writes:
#>
#>I often see flyers for "Postal" Swim Meets ...
#>you swim the event at the pool of your choice and
#>then mail the results to the meet director. He/she
#>collates the results and publishes them. This is
#>often done for ultra distance stuff (10K, 5K, etc.)
#>but is also done for groups that are not physically
#>close to each other.
#>
#>That last phrase describes us usenet folks quite well,
#>so I thought: "Hey .... why not have an email swim
#>meet?"  I haven't thought out all the details, in fact,
#>I'm hoping that some folks on the net will apply their
#>postal experiences to the idea to help work out the
#>logistics (events, age groups, time period, etc.)
#>
#>The event(s) doesn't have to a "traditional" one, either.
#>Here in Oregon we have a Postal Sprint Meet: 20 x 50 yards
#>on the 1:30. "Awards" (recognition) for best average, smallest
#>std. deviation, etc. 
#>
#>Anyone interested?
#>
#>Bruce Cheney

I competed in something like that about 10 years ago.
It was run by Coronado Masters or some such; I got a
patch for coming in third in my age group. In that event,
you had to swim 100 and 200 in breast, back, and fly;
50, 100, 200, 500, and 1650 free, and 200 and 400 IM.
You had to swim in meets and turn in the best times
for those events in a specified time period. It took
a few months to amass times in all those events.

Steve Goldfield
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Butterfly timing
Date: 5 Nov 1992 21:18:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

Another posting reminded me that the late Matt Mann, who coached
at Michigan and Oklahoma and the 1952 Olympic team, wrote
a series of four articles (later collected in a book, I
believe) for Sports Illustrated on teaching children
to swim, one on each stroke. I knew Matt circa 1959 when
I went to his summer camp in Canada; the articles probably
came out some time in the early sixties.

My recollection is that he advised people learning
butterfly first to practice kicking without stroking
(without a board) so that the body gets used to the
undulating motion. Then he advised working on the arm
pull without consciously trying to kick. When you do
so, the body naturally undulates. Then you put it
together, and your timing should match as you merely
accentuate the natural undulation.

I hope his advice helps.

Steve Goldfield
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Swimming back injury?
From: rule@kenyon.edu
Date: 11 Nov 92 11:10:09 -0500
Organization: Kenyon College

In article <1992Nov10.204439.29822@news.cs.indiana.edu>, "sven anderson" <sven@mantaray.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
> I have recently begun to experience persistent soreness and
> stiffness in my upper back muscles near the spine, just below the
> shoulder blades.  (After swimming regularly the last 5 years with
> no problem.)  This is surely related to my swimming, 80% of which
> is freestyle.  I always stretch and have even tried laying off
> for a few days with no luck.  Does anyone have experience with
> this?  Is there a specific stretch I should be doing to avoid
> this?
> 
> Suggestions welcome.
> 
>   sven@cs.indiana.edu
> 

Yes, me being a backstroker, I have the same problems.  I usually do it on the
Bio-kinetic swim bench though... However there is a stretch or two that you
might want to try.. 
Place your hand on the wall and cross your arm in front of you, as far as you
can go and hold that stretch.  It stretches the muscle right under the shoulder
blade.  Also, placing your hand on the wall with your arm fully extended on the
wall and almost "pulling" down stretches the muscle.  My problem is that that
same muscle connects with my neck for some reason, making fly almost impposible
to do sometimes.  But it takes time to re-heal.  Also, you might start taking
Vitamin C.  I have been taking about 500 mgs a day. C helps rebuild the muscle
really well.  But it has taken about 3 or 4 days to re-heal.  I'm still not
fully back into the swing of things right now.....
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From: jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker)
Subject: Re: Swimming Injury?  (was: Re: Ultra Distance Swims (fwd)
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From jgacker  Fri Nov  6 08:41:36 1992
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 08:41:36 EST
From: jgacker (James G. Acker)
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To: jgacker
Subject: Re: Swimming Injury?  (was: Re: Ultra Distance Swims
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming

In article <1992Nov4.181750.15406@webo.dg.com> you wrote:
: In article <1992Nov2.225613.142@kenyon.edu> rule@kenyon.edu writes:
: >I wouldn't triple your yardage quickly.  I'm up to 8600 and I doubt I'll go
: >much higer, mainly because I'm a sprinter but also it took us almost a month to
: >get up to this much yardage.  You just can't spring into it, you have to work
: >into it very slowly....
: 
: 8600 YARDS? In ONE day? At one time??
: 
: May I ask how long it takes you to do 8600 yards?

	John Rule swims at Kenyon College, the top Division III swimming school
for the last decade (or more).  I was a Division III distance freestyler
at a non-power a decade ago, and I regularly did 10,000+ days -- in 
a 1 1/2 hour workout in the morning and a 2-hour workout in the afternoon.
I would guess that Kenyon does two workouts a day, but 8600 in one 2 1/2 hour
workout wouldn't surprise me -- 3500 yards an hour is a good amount for
interval training.  Comments, John?

	Jim Acker
	jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov

(who did find a pool in Seattle -- the Green Lake Aquaducks!  5:30 A.M.
Oh boy.)
From: scotty@gold.gvg.tek.com (Scott Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Training a 10 year old
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:28:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

Hello experts !

I've never trained nor swam competitively before and am consequently out
of my league...therefore I need help.

My 10 year old is a maniac about swimming.  He loves it so much I can't 
keep him away from swim practice.  He's been swimming competitively for
about 1.5 years.  His idea of fun is an 800 IM (yuck)!  His times aren't  
great, but he's got A times that continue to drop. 

Does anybody have any experience in how to keep this wonderful enthusiasm
for such an excellent sport without burning him out?  Cross-training in
basketball perhaps?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: ahkkim@zeno09.math (Alexander Kim)
Subject: Itchy Skin
Originator: ahkkim@zeno09.math.UWaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 03:59:48 GMT


Ok I hope that this subject has not been done to death yet.  I am in a pool for about 14
hours a week.  For those of you who swim in cholrinated pools you know that this means 
really dry skin.  Lately (maybe because of the weather) dry skin has been a real problem
for me.  It itches and cracks and it is hell when trying to get to sleep.  Can anyone out
there recommend a remedy?              

    thanks, The envy of all Lizards

Lxnr.
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Butterfly timing
Date: 6 Nov 1992 19:23:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Nov6.024138.13904@news.columbia.edu> hyx1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Harry Y Xu) writes:
#>sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield) writes:
#>>
#>>butterfly first to practice kicking without stroking
#>>(without a board) so that the body gets used to the
#>>undulating motion. Then he advised working on the arm
#>>pull without consciously trying to kick. When you do
#>>so, the body naturally undulates. Then you put it
#>
#>How can one do the butterfly pull wothout the kick?  With a pull-buoy?

That's the point. If you drag your legs while you're doing
the pull, the legs will follow the kicking motion in reaction
to the motion of the rest of the body. Coordinating the kick
with the pull is then a matter of reinforcing that motion
with the muscles. The question was how to time the kick, and
this method is a way to find a natural rhythm that supports
but doesn't interfere with the armstroke.

Steve Goldfield
From: sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Personal Build
Date: 9 Nov 1992 21:26:43 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: hera.berkeley.edu

In article <1dm0lsINNr53@agate.berkeley.edu> sag@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Goldfield) writes:
#>
#>When it comes to distance, one of the key factors is the balance
#>between two kinds of muscles. One is good for short bursts, the

What I should have said is "two kinds of muscle tissue" or
"two kinds of muscle cell."

Steve Goldfield
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming