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From: jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu (James Gasaway)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Lay off Worf!"
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:32:56 GMT
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Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Organization: NCSA

Man Of The People *baby spoiler*














In article <1992Oct10.222827.15371@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>,
kevin@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth) wrote:

(stuff deleted)

> Lay off Worf!  It wasn't exactly like he should be carrying a phaser into
> a touchy situation!  What choice did he have but to just stand there?
> Start a fist fight?  Challenge every one in the room to a game of Klingon
> "kill the man with the phaser"?  There was no way he could have anticipated 
> those sneaky guards coming behind him.  He did exactly what Picard would
> have wanted him to do... suggesting to me that he is learning alot about 
> diplomacy in general and gearing up for a ship of his own... {{8<)|:

I can't let Worf off the hook that easily (as I stated in an earlier post).
 Granted, he reacted correctly once the guards "got" him.  But to suggest
there was no way he could've anticipated someone coming up behind him is
IMHO ridiculous.  Worf is responsible for Picard's safety.  It's his *job*
to anticipate -- to put himself in a position where he can act most
efficiently.  Obviously, he can't be ready for *everything*, but he most
definitely should know who's around him when he knows he's in a potentially
hostile situation.  Hey Worf!  How about putting your back to the wall? 
I'll say it again -- Give Worf remedial training.

Plot device is a required writer's tool, but it sure makes supposedly
competent characters look stupid.


James 
jgasaway@ncsa.uiuc.edu
Univ of Illinois @ Urbana/Champaign
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Reason why TNG is downhilling
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:53:23 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Oct6.172534.23588@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>As usual, I feel obligated to point out that it was, in fact, _because_
>Gene was so heavily involved in the first two seasons that they were so
>poor.  Once that proverbial noose around thw writer's necks was
>loosened, some interesting stories became possible.  If GR had stayed at
>the helm, I firmly believe that we'd still be getting childish sermons
>like "Home Soil" and "Symbiosis".

Or "The Bonding" (3rd season), "Transfigurations" (3rd season), "Legacy"
(4th season), "The Loss" (4th season), "New Ground" (5th season), "Ethics"
(4th season), and "The Outcast" (4th season).  And thank goodness that
didn't happen.

(In short, I think TNG's problems run far deeper than Roddenberry's existence.)

>				    Appreciate Roddenberry for having
>created Trek ... not for his writing ability.

Didn't he write "The Cage" (and "The Menagerie")?  I admire his writing
ability for that, if for nothing else he ever wrote or edited for Trek.

-- 
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From: rich@grebyn.com (Richard Lawrence)
Subject: The picture of Dorian Troi
Keywords: BAD EPISODE
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 00:01:57 GMT

Well, I'll give them credit. They tried to give her a good episode. They
really did (at least, a good episode to act). Unfortunately, the techno
dribble in this plot was so pathetic it overwhelmed any effort that
Marina put into her role.

I thought she did ok, all things considered. Itty bitty spoiler follows:



COME OFF IT FOLKS, ALMOST KILLED BY BAD KARMA!!!!! It's an overburdened
word in our semi literate world, but the only thing I can think of to
describe this episode is: "lame".

Next week: James Doohan, voted most likely to play Santa Claus in some
future role, returns in a blatent grab at ratings (which looks like it
might have some good special effects, at least).
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From: tbc@netcom.com (Mike Garvey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Relics, Spoilers HO!
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:18:16 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Spoiler fodder follows...

One more time with feeling...

Here we go!

In a prior missive, janet@indetech.com (Janet Christian) eloquently scribed
this stuff:

>*** Does anyone else remember an episode (or a TOS movie) where Scotty said
>the same thing to someone (about "it's green.") I'll swear they were making
>another nice play on words.

It was from a TOS episode, the one where the Enterprise is commandeered by
the beings from the Andromeda galaxy (Kelvins). The bridge crew decide that
the Kelvins are beings devoid of sensory stimulation and Scotty comes up
with an interesting way to stimulate -- they have a drinking party with
Scotty coming out the winner.

(Wanders off mumbling something about another vote for I wished the writers
alluded to the fact that the Dyson sphere *MIGHT* be the Borg home-world)

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From: rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Subject: *SPOILER* Comments on _Death_Count_ by L.A. Graf
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:07:34 GMT

Well, folks, the author from *Hell* has returned


You may like this one if you're into senseless violence.
Last chance!


   The first thing that should be pointed out about this
novel is that it is the second TOS novel published by
the author, L.A. Graf, in the last 4 months.  
   The only good point about this novel was that it lacked
one element from _Ice_Trap_; this novel doesn't beat
anyone over the head with a theme or message.  In fact,
if this novel had *ANY* message, I couldn't find it.
The plot seems to tumble along of its own volition, what
little plot exists.
   Once again, the characters are mere cardboard shadows
of people.  Kirk, McCoy and Spock are mere automatons,
plot devices.  We see none of the usual electric interaction
between the three, and the dialogue is plodding.  The
Sulu cutout is slightly more convincing than the others,
but that very dim bright point is completely nullified by
Chekov's character.  Chekov is cast as a brooding, gloomy
presence, with such unbelievable and uncharacteristic lines
as "Shut up, or I'll shoot you".
   And who was the first author to make Chekov the Security
Chief??  I didn't like it much the first time I saw it, but
it worked OK for that author.  Graf shouldn't have tried 
using it.  There's even a tacked-on human interest angle,
involving the death of one of Chekov's friends from the Academy.
This was what put me off most;  we learn that this friend
died in a shipboard disaster on the Kongo, but never really
are able to empathize.  Chekov's relationship to this person
is barely touched on, and leaves the reader completely
detached from the feeling....
   There's plenty of action to go around, but no reason for
it all.  All in all, I'd say this one was appropriately
named; before the middle of the book, there are 10 people
dead, accompanied by a few rather grisly images...
It's a novel that won't open your eyes, or challenge your
mind, andmy final thought on finishing it was:

      SO WHAT?

RC Carman

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From: jsnell@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason Snell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: SPOILEReview: "Man of the People"
Date: 9 Oct 1992 00:18:56 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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SPOILERama for this week's episode.


Yuck.



This one wasn't as bad as I expected, which means it wasn't an F. My
preliminary S.O.S. findings were a C+... I think I'm going to down-
grade that. There were a few amusing moments in what was otherwise
a waste of time.

In other words, being better than expected but still bad isn't good
enough for me.

Let me say this: I don't think Marina Sirtis is a good actress. I don't
think Troi is a good character. I don't think that Jon Frakes is
particularly good when put in the "Imzadi" role with her. I thought
Picard's response to Troi's behavior (hell, everyone's responses) were
unbelievable, stiff, wooden, unrealistic, pathetic, and just about
everything else.

Good thing: Picard's scene with Mr. Happy planetside. As Tim said, a
good argument between an amoral bastard and Picard. Nice.

That's about it. At least last week we got "More Birds."

The more I think about it, the less I like this show. At least it
didn't have a tacked-on secondary plot. At least there were no
kids. Or as Billy Crystal said in "The Princess Bride":

"I've seen worse."

But I've seen lots better.

GRADE, official: D.

Season to date:
Time's Arrow II: C+
Realm of Fear: C+
Man of the People: D

Next week: looks better, but one never knows, do one?

-jason

p.s. the "Season to Date" may not be consistent from past gradings,
but I'm grumpy right now and so I've decided the whole season's been
lame.

I fear, I fear.


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From: pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Pete - Toonatic - Boulay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Posted for my girlfriend
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:40:06 GMT
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Originator: pjb4288@ultb

This is posted for my girlfriend...please reply  to 59048808Q@servax.fiu.edu

From:	IN%"59048808Q@SERVAX.FIU.EDU" 14-OCT-1992 22:16:08.42
Subj:	Uniform Insignias


	To anyone who has a MAIN STREET COLLECTABLES Star Trek catalog...
Could somebody please tell me what is the difference between...

	1)  N.G. Communicator Rank Pin  vs.  N.G. Cloissone Pin

	2)  Collar Rank Pin  vs.  Collar Rank Pin with BK center

If by Pin, they mean the pips that are worn on the collars, then I assume
they mean solid vs. hollow pips.  If not, then I'm really lost.
	For those who have the catalog, the pins are on pg. 12--I can't
see the difference.  So I'd appreciate any and all answers.

Thanks in advance,
Mary
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From: hhtra@usho21.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Sulu's phaser trivia (was: Re: The Enemy Within
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:04:29 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Oct07.190940.3763@admiral.uucp>, dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct2.184738.22499@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
|> >Last night's triv question:  In Charlie X, who supplies the voice of the
|> >ship's galley captain?  This one also completely stumped me.  E-mail
|> >welcome, or post to the group for guesses.  [you may be surprised at the
|> >answer to this one.]
|>
|>  James Doohan?

  Didn't James Doohan do many extra little voices, like that of the M5 
  computer - "the ultimate achievement in computer evolution"?
 

 TRAVIS
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Yesterday's Enterprise question
Date: 14 Oct 92 13:11:20 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Well, this has probably been brought up before, but maybe not.

In Yesterday's Enterprise, they got rid of all the characters that
shouldn't have been there, and brought back the ones that should...almost.

They didn't have Worf.  Makes sense, there wouldn't be a Klingon in the
   Federation.
They didn't have Troi (at least, I didn't see her).  They wouldn't need
   a counselor on a battleship.
They did have Tasha.  She wouldn't have been killed by the tar thing.

OK.  They specifically state that there are no families on board.  Why would
you have them on a battleship?

Sooooooo.....Why is Wesley still at the helm????  The only reason he was
originally on the Enterprise was because his mom was.  But if there are no
families on board, then he shouldn't have been there at all, so he shouldn't
have been promoted, etc....

Anyone know?

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From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Da books (was: all this nonsense about the Dianes)
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:37:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: sarah.1992Oct14.223701.9600
Organization: State University of New York at Albany

In article <910252m.21.719093251@ace.acadiau.ca> 910252m@ace.acadiau.ca (DWAYNE ALLAN MACKINNON) writes:
>    As I've said before, books by Diane Duane are among the best. Her 
>treatment of McCoy and Spock (McCoy especially) is brilliant. Also, the 
>histories she's come up with for Vulcan and the Romulans are just great with 
>me. So, read her stuff.
>    But you know what, I'm curious about something..... am I the only one or 
>are there others out there with a love for How Much for Just The Planet ? 
>This book has to be the funniest Trek book ever created. Just wondering if 
>it has some more fans out there....

While I don't consider the events of How Much for Just the Planet to be
part of (my concept of) the Star Trek universe, I have to agree that
this was a wonderful book.  I read part of it on a bus and got the oddest
looks from people who saw me giggling helplessly.  Its a definite must-read
even if it can't be taken seriously from an actual ST Universe event point
of view.  His other book _The Final Reflection_ however has become a
standard for Klingon lifestyle in many of the books; especially his
concept of the Perpetual Game.

Yasmin

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From: wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Is that Tasha in "Schisms?"
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:35:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Oct15.013513.11580
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: wombat@coke.eng.umd.edu

In article <1992Oct14.155059.10585@bsu-ucs.uucp> 02maferguson@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:
>
>In reference to next week's airing of the new ST:TNG episode "Schisms"
>
>Okay everyone repeat after me....Tasha is dead, Tasha is dead, Tasha is dead.
>Or is she?
>
>Take a good long look everybody to the one part of the commercial where a
>patient collapes and Bev catchers her.  
>Is that patient that falls in Bevs arms Tasha?

I seriously doubt it.  For one thing, that patient is *male*.  Although,
I don't see why Crosby couldn't play him. (-:  


-- 
Jose Gonzalez
From: felix@ocf.berkeley.edu (Felix Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Relics, Spoilers HO!
Date: 16 Oct 1992 00:01:57 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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In article <1bfcs3INN1jq@gap.caltech.edu> thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer) writes:
>In article <Bw0u7p.KGL@acsu.buffalo.edu> rjking@acsu.buffalo.edu (Randall J. King) writes:
>>Spoilers...


>The part that bugged me here...  Isn't synthahol supposed to smell, taste,
>etc., just like alcohol?  (Didn't Data say this to Scotty?)  Then how did
>Scotty taste the difference?  (Or, what did I miss?)  Otherwise a neat

Dunno.  Could be that in 75 years, they kinda got lazy in replicating the
taste, since people wouldn't remember what it was really supposed to taste
like.

>>2) Scotty & Geordi were beemed through the shields at the very end.  I would 
>>	think that even an old shield design at full power would be able to 
>>	give the shields problems.
>
>Were they at full power?  That was a recently and rag-taggedly restored old
>ship.  Plus its shields were being vice-pressed by a rather large hatch, and
>must have been weakening...

Plus there's always O'Brien's trick from "The Wounded", but I don't think
it had to come into play here.

>>3) Scotty just leaves!?!?!?!?!?!? I don't get it.  But really cool.
>
>Yeah.  I'd think Starfleet might want to know about him, see him, ask a few
>questions.  ("You did WHAT with the transporter?!  For HOW long?!?!")

Seemed a bit unreal, but somehow appropriate.

>>	How would something like that have been built?  It was just waaaaay too
>>	out there.

Someone like Q could just snap his fingers to make it appear.  Seems
reasonable that someone a bit below Q could build the thing.

>>1) Scotty's attitude towards Worf.  Perfect.
>
>Yeah.  I think more should have been done there, and maybe some parting comment
>as Scotty goes to enter his new shuttle, but,... oh, well.

I liked it as it is.  I don't think it'd have been as funny if Scotty
actually said something, and Worf's annoyed look was hilarious.

Felix Ling
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skydiver!"  She landed with a resounding thump and croaked, "I've fallen,
and I can't get up!"
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Relics...another doink ending! spoilers
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:05:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.ewright.719003144
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <Bw2F0o.F38@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

^L
>>Why waste a good Dyson sphere by having the star unstable? Gee whiz!

>I agree on this point... several episodes could be based on the Dyson
>sphere--maybe even a spinoff series (go and reread RINGWORLD)-- but they
>wasted it.

You're talking miniseries-within-a-series.  Great idea, but Paramount
might not be willing to take the risk.  If the audience hated the idea
after they'd already shot five or six episodes...

However, the star could be going through a period of *transient*
instability.  It might be possible to go back and safely visit
the Dyson sphere some time in the future, with a bigger budget
for special effects.  (Can you say, TNG movie?)  
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From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Subject: Re: TNG actors outside of TNG (was Re: Sybok....Vulcan Defense Attorney...)
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:00:46 GMT

david holliday (holliday@cse.unl.edu) wrote:
: >>bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras) writes:
: >>Data (and Lore) in the TV Series "Night Court" several times.
: 
: Which episodes? What character did he play?

I don't remember what his name was or the episodes were (without an
rec.arts.night-court to reinforce my knowledge of these episodes, which
I don't watch everytime, I don't remember them that well ;-) but he was
part of the extremely dumb husband and wife pair who occasionly
frequented the show.  At one time they owned the newsstand in the
cafeteria.  Brent's character's face was longer than Data's, and he not
only talked with a heavy Alabama-type  accent, but his S sound was a little
loud, sort of like a lisp.

I saw him on Night Court several times without realizing who he was.
When my roommate told me, I sort of didn't believe him until I saw it for
myself.  I almost still didn't believe it.
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From: jeremy@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Jeremy Bevan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:TNG on Sky One
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:52:19 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.

I understand that they will be showing the first three seasons in its
entirity (however it is possible that the episode "The high ground" may
not be shown, due to its "anti-british" bias!). They will also show one
(1) season four episode (probably the season opener, as season three
ends with a cliffhanger).


Steve Pearce, Hewlett-Packard, Pinewood, UK
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From: firestar@leland.Stanford.EDU (Lipton Ann Meredith)
Subject: Re: Relics Comment ... *SPOILERS*
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 05:09:26 GMT

Sorry the previous posting didn't have a ctrl-L in it for spoiler protection.
I tried, I guess it just didn't work.  :-(

Firestar

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From: d_ellis@ricks.enet.dec.com (David Ellis  12-Oct-1992 0852)
Subject: Re: Ross Perot
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 05:54:50 PDT
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As I watched the Presidential debate, I couldn't help laugh at Ross Perot's
line "I'm all ears".  That is exactly what one of the Ferengi said in an old
episode ("The Battle").

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