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From: v999saum@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Varnavas A. Lambrou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Turkish invasion in Cyprus 1974 cont...
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:25:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

INDEPENDENCE


Independence came to the Cypriots after centuries of foreign rule and after
a hard guerilla war against the colonial power. Makarios, the leader of the
anti-colonial struggle, and first President of the Republic of Cyprus, welcomed
it as the herald of a new age for the people of Cyprus:

According to the 1960 Cyprus constitution under which is still the constitution,
which the Cyprus Government and House of Representatives function and the Courts
dispence justice, the Turkish Cypriots were guaranteed full cultural and 
religious autonomy and reiforced political representation. For example, though
forming 18% of the population they were guaranteed three of the 10 posts in the
Council of Ministers, and 15 of the 50 seats in the House of Representatives.
They were also allocated 30% of the posts in the civil service and 40% of the 
numbers in the Police Force an the Army.

But independence was not what Turkey wanted for Cyprus, and nor was it what its
instruments, TMT was working for. Armed and ready, TMT awaited the 
opportunity to achieve further gains against Cyprus.



"Today Cyprus is free. Let us celebrate, my brethren. Let us raise our heads
in pride. The days of bondage are no more...
..
For let it not be thought that this day is the end of the road... It is the
starting-point of new efforts to ensure the prosperity and progress of our
people and to make our country a happy and just land.
We shall transform our island into a vast creative workshop. In this workshop
there will be a place for all; all will be called to contribute equally to
partake of the fruits of the common effort.
..
Let us hold out the honest hand of frienship and co-operation to all. 
Especially let us co-operate whole-heartedly and sincerely with our friends,
the Turkish community. Only through our harmonious co-operation with them
will our strength be reinforced and our hopes of success increase.
..
We live in a rich and beautiful island which we can turn into a  promised
land by our toil and our love... Upon this land today Asiatic inventiveness
and wisdom meet the spirit of European science and technical knowledge. The
uneasy ambitions of three continents and the conflicts of two worlds stretch
around our seas. In this stormy environment we are now called upon to play the
role of the co-ordinator and the conciliator. We are called upon to transform
our island into a golden bridge that will unite and not divide the opposing 
powers. We are called upon to turn our island into a highway that will link
materially and spiritually North and South, West and East".

	Archbishop Makarios on his return to Cyprus from exile, 1st March, 1959.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 01:13:19 EST
From: <2971047@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Need E-mail address to U of Athens or..

Please help me.  I would like to get in touch with a postmaster at a Greek
university.
                                                  Thank you,
                                                  gp
From: std_u22c@uni-duesseldorf.de (verehrte(r) Benutzer(in))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:07:41 GMT
Organization: Universitaetsrechenzentrum, Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet Duesseldorf
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From: v999saum@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Varnavas A. Lambrou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Turkish invasion in Cyprus 1974 cont...
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:58:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

BUILDING WALLS OF HATE


Turkey needs to strive with all the means at her disposal to portray the
Turkish Cypriots as an oppressed minority and the Cyprus Government and the
Greek Cypriots as bloodthirsty tyrants. A powerful country which has for 
years intevened violently and destructively in the affairs of a small 
neighbouring country and which finally invaded it and engineered its
partition clearly needs to manufacture moral justification.

Since 1974 the Turkish army has sealed off Greek Cypriot from Turkish Cypriot
and has made even telephone communication impossible across the dividing
"Attila Line" which her troops man. In spite of all this the racist argument
that Greek and Turkish Cypriots cannot live together has still not prevailed.

Abroad Greek and Turkish Cypriots live as Cypriots and not as members of groups
separated by hatred.

Greek and Turkish Cypriot journalists, trade unionists and students, whenever
they have had an opportunity to meet have agreed on their wish to live in a 
united country.

Though division has been established on the ground it has not been established
in the hearts and minds of the Cypriot people. The Turkish Government and the
separatist Turkish Cypriot leaders have for years mounted a propaganda war
against the Greek Cypriots in an effort to counter the obvious fact that most
Cypriots, Greek and Turk, and the Cyprus Government, are striving for a united
Cyprus which guarantees the human rights of all its people, respects their 
culture and religion and offers them equal opportunities for prosperity.

The two basic elements of this propaganda war are the issue of "enosis" and the
so called "eleven years of oppression". Turkey and the separatist Turkish 
Cypriot leaders refer to the historical anticolonial movement of the Greek
Cypriots for freedom and union with Greece ("enosis") and falsely claim that
it is still an existing atavistic political force among the Greek Cypriots
whose culmination would be the subjugation or even the elimination of the 
Turkish Cypriots. According to this propaganda version of the history of Cyprus
the invasion by Turkish troops in 1974 saved the Turkish Cypriots after "eleven
years of oppression" by the Greek Cypriots and the Government of Cyprus.

This attribution of a false image to the Government of Cyprus and to the rest
of the population of Cyprus (the 82% who are not Turkish Cypriot) as persecutors
of the Turkish Cypriot population of Cyprus are propagandist positions
desperatedly attempting to justify the atrocities committed against the civilian
population of Cyprus by the Turkish invasion and occupation troops.
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: How typical (and pathetic) are the sources Skopjians use
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:47:00 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

Michael Polymenakos (michael.polymenakos@factory.com)  writes:
> BZZZT! WRONG! "Macedonia" is more than a geographical term, it is the
>land inhabited by the Macedonian people.

And "Macedonia" is more than a land inhabited by the Macedonian peoples.

It seems like there is at least six different interpretations of
"Macedonia", depending on context:
- geographic region covering several countries on the Balkan
- a province in Greece
- a region in Bulgaria
- the independent state with this name
- an ancient state
- a Roman province
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
From: athanass@cs.concordia.ca (MICHAILIDIS athanassios)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: "200,000 Murdered By The Afentis": She saw it with her eyes
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:03:29 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Organization: Concordia University

Quite interesting my frend but does your washing machine have
a double speed cycle ?  

In response may I add an original source about the true story. 

Source: "Sullogos megalos den uparxei allos" by Kwstas Xamidis
         1967, p. 210. Translated by A. Forest, 1990 Athens
         Metaxourgeio.   


Edif terma oxi ela exw Turskish ta kai egokairos phxida fortsa
malaka 20,000 anthrwpoi (20,000 dead) tous eida me ta matia mou.
Ekane kai h myga kolo kai exese ton kosmo olo. Otan megalwsw
thelw na vinw B.M.W. Alles 200 Greek anthrwpoi ola wraia kai
kala. Giati ta pentoxiliara den einai petsetakia na pernw me
ti sesoula na grafw ravasakia. Constantinoupolis kai meta
tha pame kai gia kafe 50,000 Greeks dead 1960 - 1970 ama tsi-
mpisei edw tha exei megalh plaka. To loipon mias kai piasame ta
noumera as moumai kai auto. Army 1,000 dolofonoi kai ante
vale kamia 300,000 dead Armenians. Na valw kai kana dwllario
mpas kai piasei ? "Fusika $200/Dead". (Katerina Pigadomounova).
Ena duo tria tessera pente exi ega esu autos Turkish. Kai meta
tha erthw kai stin Cyprus kai me to U.N. Resolution ante na
valw kai to Invation na doumai ama stimpisei. Opoios katalave
ti paw na kanw hshxia paidia mallon tin vrika tin akrh.
From: drg@candidus.ma30.bull.com (Daniel R. Guilderson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Vacationing in Greece (when?)
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:21:51 GMT
Organization: Zenith Data Systems / Bull, Billerica MA USA

I'm planning on making a first-ever visit to Greece later this year
and I would like to know what the best time of the year to go is.
Is it true as I have heard that Greece is very popular with European
vacationers?  What is the most popular time to go?  What is the
quietest time?  Thanks.

Daniel R. Guilderson                 Zenith Data Systems / Bull
508-294-6612                         300 Concord Road    MS 853A
drg@candidus.ma30.bull.com           Billerica, MA 01821

semper liberi
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From: hminassi@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Eh bien continuons.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Armenian IRC Meeting
Keywords: Anyone Welcome
Date: 12 Jan 93 07:09:03 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Organization: University of California, San Diego



Parev gam Barev!

There will be a meeting on IRC this
wednesday, 1/13/93 at 7p.m. Pacific
time (west coast time) on channel
#Hayastan.
From Unix Type: irc  [Return]
Then Just Type: /join #Hayastan  [Return]

Looking forward to seeing you there.

H. Minassian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: Greece and the EC (oil?)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:41:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.124702@imhfhp16.epfl.ch> gavrila@imhfhp16.epfl.ch (Spyros GAVRILAKIS) writes:
>
>There has been speculation for quite a number of years about this, but 
>no major quantities have been found. I read a year ago - while in hols
>in Greece - that if one considers the geology of Agean seabed, the odds
>of finding substantial reserves are small.


I read in a geological article last October the following:

1. Prinos (the already working well) was estimated to finish in 1992,
   but new estimates give at least up till 1999.

2. Next to Thassos island there is secured oil field of $10 billions.
   Agreements with Turkey forbid its pumping.

3. The Aegean field is a continuation of the Roumanian oil fields and
   the chances for quantinties are pretty high.

And a personal note: When I worked for a while as an engineer in "Motor
Oil, Refineries" (Corinthos), we used oil from Prinos but always blended
50-50 with Iraq oil because it was too high in sulfur concentration and
the plant was not designed for that bad quality. In general, the quality
of Aegean sea oil is predicted as not that good.


>Even if major quantities are found in the Agean, Greece is unlikely to 
>give them for free and hence the benefits to the EC may not be all that
>great.


1% of taxes goes to the EC. Plus, finding oil would at least reduce Greece's
direct transfers from EC. The benefits from oil in the Aegean will benefit
all the EC; the same way that the benefits from oil in Alaska is felt in
all the US economy.


>The UK is (was) self-sufficient in oil and arguably this  had deleterious effects
>on its economy.


Unique! Having wealth is considered deleterious! Actually if Britain
didn't have North sea oil (a friend of mine works there for an American
company (Marathon)) would be now in worse economic situation than Spain.


Norway - which has applied for membership - is an exporter
>but noboby expects to get any free oil.


But it expects to get a healthy and good economy strongly helped by
the oil (and other energy) reserves.


>Does the above make sense?


No, it doesn't!!! You are trying to down grade any possible good point of
Greece. Are you from the civil war losers (they had the fame of this mania
for a while)?


Gr
From: iptsiant@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos)
Subject: Re: Vegans in Greece
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 11:01:01 GMT
Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Technische Fakultaet.

In article <C0JCt8.3sr@gabriel.keele.ac.uk>, cla02@keele.ac.uk (R. Wallace) writes:
|> I need some help with a problem.
|> 
|> More particularly, I am unsure whether any Greek non-meat dishes
|> actually have hidden animal products in them. I have the impression that
|> Greeks use olive oil all the time instead of butter, and don't cook with
|> milk very much, but on the whole I just eat the stuff, I've never tried
|> cooking it!
|> 
|> If anyone can give me any advice I can pass on to my vegan students, I
|> would be very grateful.
|> 
|> And a Happy New Year!
|> 
|> Richard Wallace

As far as I know from my yearly trips to Greece, there are already some Restaurants serving food for vegetarians. A girl I know is a vegetarian, too, and she survived half a year in Greece as an au-pair (in a family). 

I do not think there should be a big problem, since you 'll visit only tourist places, where people have adopted western culture and habits more than others.

I wish you and your class a nice trip to greece.
-- 
Panos Tsiantopoulos.
From: v999saum@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Varnavas A. Lambrou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: TURKISH INVASION IN CYPRUS 1974..cont..
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:24:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

ARGAKI: One of the villages occupied by the Turkish Army.

"To complete the factual account of what Argaki suffered: seven young men
born in or married into the village died or disappeared during the invasion.
Several others have been incapacitated or disfigured by wounds. There are
well authenticated reports of sexual assaults on three elderly persons. The
priest of Argaki comes from nearby Kyra village; his mother was killed when
Turkish soldiers fired through the door of her house. Her husband set out for 
Argaki to bring his son, the priest, to give a Christian burial to his own
mother. The old man disappeared, and has not been seen since.

One can count people dead, wounded, or assaulted, and to write five or seven
or two gives an appearance of concreteness, of factual reality, objectivity,
call it what you like, to the events. Here is a photograph of a corpse. There
is a scarred face. But how can we convey objectively terror, anxiety, 
humiliation, anger, grief, disorientation, emptiness? These emotions were
experienced by Argaki villagers (as by other refugees) and they have told me in
their own words about them.
..
The diaspora of the Greek Cypriot Argakiotes means that a link between people 
and resources has been broken, a destructive, aggressive act, the opposite of
the creativity which constructed the community for a very long time. I do not 
know how long. There is a record of a village called Argaki in 1825, but in 
1630, the Dutch cartographer Blau shows a community called Ariati on roughly 
the place where Argaki is today. The construction of Argaki took thousands of 
days; the destruction only one."

P.Loizos "The Uprooting of a Cypriot Village"




"Desolation and destruction mark many areas. Whole villages and towns and cities
are empty of people, who fled their homes in fear of advancing Turkish forces.
The 15,000 to 20,000 Greeks who remain are being held as virtual hostages 
-confined to their villages or elsewhere, and usually separated from family 
members and without adequate food and water and medical care.
..
Government controlled areas of the island have been inundated with refugees from
the north. Since the invasion on July 20, over 200,000 men, women and children
-at least a third of the population -have sought shelter wherever they could 
find it -in open fields, under trees along the roadsides, and in schools,
monasteries and public buildings."

Senator Edward M.Kennedy
Preface to Study Mission Report of the US Senate Subcommittee to Investigate
Problems Connected with Refugees and Escapees.
14 October, 1974.
From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: CNN recognizes Macedonian independence?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:57:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.214236.6806@cc.umontreal.ca> bartzako@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Bartzakos Peter) writes:
>
>	Perhaps the OFFICIAL recognition of Skopje as "Macedonia" is
>at hand and we are being conditioned for it.


Many editorials in US newspapers propose to treat the republic
as "de facto" existing, while its "de jure" recognition will
come with time. This has been true for many countries before,
like Israel. They argue also that the "de facto" recognition
should be streched by the financial help and some countries
representation openings in Skopjia. Both have been realized.

Now, if these are real intentions or just political double-
dealings uptill the country be dissolved from within, noone
can answer. A hint can come from the amount of help provided;
is it nominal or substantial?


Gr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Vegans in Greece
From: cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:04:18 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

> I am taking a group of students to Athens in March (which is no problem
> at all). But two of them have just told me that they are Vegans, who eat
> no animal products at all. Now, vegetarians are no problem - they eat
> cheese and eggs and milk etc., and they can cope. But how do you survive
> as a vegan in Greece? None of these foods are open to them. They're nice
> kids, and this is their first trip to Greece, and I wouldn't want it to
> be a bad experience for them.

Well...I just spent three weeks in Greece...most of that was spent in Athens.
And I'm a vegetarian.  I remember a restaurant in Plaka in Athens called Eden.
It's a vegan/vegetarian restaurant...priced pretty decently.  They had a ton
of bizarre dishes that I'm not going to even attempt to start listing them.
Suffice it to say that I could have eaten three meals a day there for those
three weeks and never would have had to eat the same thing twice.  There's
also a fast food restaurant chain called "Goody's"...it's alot like Wendy's
or BK in the states.  They had alot of different types of salads available.
I usually got this one called Mexican salad...which was beans, lettuce, corn,
radishes, and some other veggies.  Anyway, those salads were completely free
of animal products (don't order the salad dressing though!).

And then you can always go to the marketplaces or supermarkets and stock up
on fresh fruits, veggies, breads, etc...those sorts of things are also readily
available.  Probably the only problem your students will have (and personally
I don't consider this a problem) is that they'll have to eat a lot of raw
uncooked things...if they don't care about that though then they won't ever
go hungry!

Any other questions?  Email me.


--Dennis
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From: gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis)
Subject: Re: CNN recognizes Macedonian independence?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:55:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.175900.14948@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>>>What's the deal here?  Does CNN recognize Macedonia as a country or what?
>>>
>>>
>>>--Dennis
>> 
>> 
>> Good question.
>> 
>> 
>> Gr
>
>Good answer.  (not!)
>
>--Dennis


I subscribe to your question (no answer available :-))

Gr
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Greece and the EC (oil?)
From: cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:00:40 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

Is it true that there is supposed to be massive quantities of oil underneat the
sea that separates Greece and Turkey.....but that these countries will go to
war if the other attempts to drill for it?

That's not my main point...my main point is that if there are oodles of bucks
to be made from this oil, is it possible that the EC's hoping to get in on the
action (and therefore welcomed Greece into the EC)????

--a stupid ignorant blind american putting his two cents in
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: branis@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Spiros Branis)
Subject: MOST TURKISH KURDS PREFER INDEPENDENCE
Followup-To: <1993Jan9.175234.814@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
Reply-To: branis@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Spiros Branis)
Organization: City College of New York - Science Computing Facility
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:45:34 GMT


The Turkish Kurd stance on those 9 issues can be summarized as follows:

        1- Federation should consist of two sovereign states and each of
these states, namely the Republic of Turkey and Republic of Kurdistan 
states, should be sovereign.
        2- Presidency should be rotational in the Republic of Turkey
between Turks and Kurds.
        3- There should be equal number of ministers in the Turkish cabinet and
the decisions should be taken with the majority vote.
        4- There should be a bi-communal transitional government during
the transition period.
        5- The Republic of Turkey relinquishes all its rights to the Republic
of Kurdistan east of Ankara.
        6- Freedom of movement should be considered after the "territorial
adjustments and displaced persons" problems have been solved. Freedom of
settlement and property ownership should be handled after a certain time
period has ellapsed. Prior to 1993, the people in charge of the atrocities
against the Turkish Kurds should not be allowed to enter the Republic of
Kurdistan sovereign state.
        7- Sovereign states should have the right to make agreements with
other countries in whatever subject areas they are concerned with.
        8- Without the approval of both sovereign states, it should not be
possible to join any international organization.
        9- Territorial adjustments should be solved by considering the
fertility, ownership, sufficiency, and security issues. This problem (terr.
adj.) should be discussed after the constitutional issues have been
resolved. The territory under the Republic of Kurdistan shall not be less
than 1/3 of geographical Minor Asia.


===========
Spiros