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From: wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang)
Subject: Re: Protecting children in Public Schools
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:29:51 GMT

In article <dlhanson.19.725753805@nap.amoco.com> dlhanson@nap.amoco.com (David L. Hanson) writes:
>I saw this posted on USENET last week. Since my children are homeschooled,
>they are not subjected to these kinds of indoctrination and prying but for
>those whose children are incarcerated in the public socialist system, this
>information can help you to protect them.
>
...
>===========================================================================
>
>                   THE RIGHTS OF PARENTS AND STUDENTS
>             REGARDING PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SCHOOL EDUCATION
>
>
>          Considering the diversity of curricular matters being
>     discussed in both public and private schools today, it is of
>     vital importance that parents know their rights and the rights
>     of their children under law.  It is equally important that
>     parents inform the school authorities, in the institution where
>     their child attends, that they desire to have access to and
>     opportunity to approve or disapprove of the curricula their
>     child will be taught BEFORE the child is subjected to the
>     material in class.
>
...
As a parent I am curious about the school/parent relation here in the US,
I wonder how much trust does the school system demand from the parents.
How much can a parent question/request the school regarding to the 
curriculum, activities, policies without fearing that their children
may get ostracised by the teachers?  How much info regarding those 
mentioned will be provided to parents initially by the school?  Are there
big differences between private school and public school in those areas?
Are schools flexible on receiving suggestions from parents?  Is there
such parental union/support-group that can force school to listen/consider
other than the school boards?  Or, is this generally regarded proper
attitude that parents should trust the school 98.75% and let their children
weather it all out on their own?

Whew! Enough questions for now.

Wen-lin
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gandhi@cliff.se.hou.compaq.com (Deepak Gandhi)
Subject: Wanted: Childcraft
Organization: Compaq Computer Corp.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:51:12 GMT


I am looking into buying "Childcraft", the 15 volume set of
"how and why" books published by World Book Inc., Chicago.
However, I can't afford a new set and am considering buying
a used set.  So...., if someone has a set that is not getting
used, and would like to get rid of it, please send me an e-mail.

Alternatively, if you know of any agent that sells it at a
discounted price, I'll be glad to talk to him/her.

Thank you all in advance.

Regards,
Deepak

======================================================================
Deepak R. Gandhi			   gandhi@cpqhou.uucp
Compaq Computer Corp.			   gandhi@cpqhou.se.hou.compaq.com
Houston, TX				   ...{sco|uunet}!cpqhou!gandhi
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Yet another solid foods question
Date: 1 Jan 1993 21:35:21 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi folks,

Yet another question on introducing solids. Our daughter Sophia (3 1/2
to 4 months old) was exhibiting all the classic symptoms of ready for
solids, a textbook baby. So, armed with an infant feeding set, camera,
lots of time and even more bibs and washclothes we started her on
Gerber rice cereal (after checking with her pediatrician of course).

The first couple of days was basically wasted on spoon dynamics, i.e.
what goes in must come out. Eventually she got the habit of it and ate
maybe a tablespoon's worth a day. Well, a day after, she started behavijg
VERY funny, i.e. during the day nurse (formula) constantly every 
hour to 2 hours but taking less than her usual amount, during the night
sleep for an hour, pop up crying and sleeping (how do they do it?) every
hour, salivating a lot, biting her hand, and producing lots of gas.

This went on for 3 days and 3 LONG nights. By that time she was taking
a tablespoon a day and had adjusted to the spoon quite nicely, but during
the night it was the baby from the alternate universe :-(. After a 
checkup, her doctor said it was not teething (though she matched all
symptoms), not an ear infection, but simply that we should stop the
rice cereal, wait a week, and start on simple veggies. 

We stopped cereal and Sophia rewarded us with a nice full night of sleep.
Now she's back on formula and behaves normally. I discussed this with
the people at the day care center and they said it's possible, while
my mom guessed it instantly. 

All the baby books I read said nothing of gas trouble with rice cereal,
but mentioned that some people prefer veggies as first solid. 

So, net.parents, what's your wisdom? which veggie(s) for first? and
has this phenomenon happened to you? 

Please mail the answer if possible. Thanks!

Spiros
--
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Re: VDT's in Pregnancy (was Re: Newly Pregnant (what to do?)
Organization: Trent University, Ontario
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:16:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.171903.4067@oar.net> ashley@oar.net (Ashley Burns) writes:
>Could you give more information on the dangers of sitting behind people's
>terminals? I didn't see any more info about this in your post. At this
>very moment my 5-mo-old is sitting next to my terminal (side by side 
>with it). Could this be harmful?

Well, alas I can't remember where I read it, but the key is the big lump
at the back of the screen that shoots the electron rays at the screen.
That is at a pretty high voltage and so it has a
magnetic field around it, just as electric blankets and waterbed heaters
and so on do. (There is shielding that keeps sideways emissions down, I
think.) Magnetic fields are not completely safe in pregnancy. 

I don't remember hearing that young children shouldn't be exposed to magnetic
fields, other than in the high-voltage-power-line controversy, which
has been debunked to my satisfaction. To continue that tangent, I
wouldn't have my child's bed in the room where the electric supply
entered the house, but avoid houses close to HV lines only for
resale value reasons. 

Back to the VDT issue: your five year old may play beside your screen
for a while each day, but that is not the same as someone whose job
requires her to sit directly behind one for eight hours each day. And
the developing brain and body of a child already born are not as
vulnerable as a developing fetus. I wouldn't worry about incidental
exposure in the home, though we do have all our screens (four of them
btw) backed up against walls or bookcases so that no-one will sit
or play behind them.

Kate
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: carruth@mksol.dseg.ti.com (matthew carruth)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: internet
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:56:16 GMT

 (Stuff deleted)
|> >
|> >A deeper question: Why do we assume that we *can* make and carry out a
|> >decision that permanently affects another human being's body simply
|> >because they happen to be our children?
|> .
|> 
Isn't this what parents are for?  Don't parents choose schools, homes, religions, etc that
profoundly affect a person's life.  If parents shouldn't make these choices then who
should?

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My views are my own and do not reflect those of my employeers....
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:07:28 GMT
Organization: University of South Africa

In article <1992Dec31.160227.24191@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> ajaym@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (alton.jay.mitchell) writes:

>Whoa!  Wait a minute - I don't follow the logic here!  Sticking a
>needle and immunizing an unconsenting adult would definitely be
>grounds foa suit.  What makes you think that is any different than
>circumsizing an unconsenting adult?

CircumsiZing?

Sounds like glueing around ...

First people want to cut it off, now they want to glue it on!

What next?

Steve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department
Univ. of South Africa, P.O. Box 392, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa
Internet: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za
          steve.hayes@f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org
From: xwiltberger@quark2.aero.org (Rita M. Wiltberger)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: age a child can stay home alone
Date: 23 Dec 1992 13:14 -0800
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation
Distribution: ca
Reply-To: xwiltberger@arecibo.aero.org
NNTP-Posting-Host: quark2.aero.org
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

Does anyone know what the legal age is to leave a child by herself at 
home.  I am already planning ahead for spring break.  Rebecca turned 10 
last month and is very reliable.  I feel she can handle the time by 
herself or with her cousins.  Most of the daycare centers I have been 
calling have a third grade max.  Rebecca is a fifth grader.  I can 
probably take two or three days off.

Thanks,

Rita Wiltberger
wiltberger@arecibo.aero.org
From: kellihmt@daisymae.crd.ge.com (Margaret T Kelliher)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Homebirth vs. Hospital birth
Date: 23 Dec 92 20:42:19 GMT
Reply-To: kellihmt@daisymae.crd.ge.com (Margaret T Kelliher)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center

In article <ANNE.92Dec20213836@dolores.Stanford.EDU>,
anne@dolores.Stanford.EDU (Anne Paulson) writes:
|>
|>Grun@intellistor writes:
|>
|>   But what if things start to go wrong [in a home birth]?  
|>  I have no statistics, but when
|>   things *do* go wrong, (which they do, sometimes, and without regard
|>   for the health of the mother) there is frequently _very little
time_ in which
|>   to intervene.  An ambulance ride would be too long.
|>
|>You certainly don't have any statistics.  If you did, you would know
|>that when things go wrong, there is virtually always plenty of time to
|>intervene, 

I don't have statistics either, but I do have a story which convinces me
that "virtually always" is not good enough. I haven't told my younger
daughter's birth story (late August) because I didn't want to scare anyone 
unduly. Let me start out by saying that she seems to be perfectly fine and 
is thriving. But for a couple of scary weeks, we just didn't know.

We had severe late decelerations (ie baby's heart rate *plunged* and
stayed down after contractions), an emergency C-section (ie general 
anesthesia done *now*), and a blue baby who needed to be resuscitated 
more than once.  Had we been at home, and required a 45 minute trip to the 
hospital after the trouble had been detected, I fear Colleen would have 
had very severe problems due to oxygen deprivation. She almost did anyway.
No explanation has been found for our difficulties.

|>obviously home birth is as safe for births that turn out to be
|>uneventful, but it turns out that it is as safe for births where
|>something out of the ordinary happens.]

I have trouble believing this. Can you point me to your source?


IMHO, you are playing the odds whichever you choose. I obviously believe
the hospital provides better odds for emergencies, and am willing to run
the risk of unnecessary intervention which I consider more of an affront
than a true danger to either mother or child. 

Margaret Kelliher
kellihmt@crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: default
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:54:31 GMT

In <9212211822.AA12685@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu> ff@mtung.att.com writes:

>>In fact a lot of ignorant MDs still tell parents to
>>force the foreskin back and clean.. clean... clean.. This is stuff
>>from 1950s baby books!
>	Well, it looks like my aunt was once prey to one of these MDs.  My
>cousin is now 11 years old and he was not initially circumsized.  I remember
>my aunt having to pull back the foreskin and cleaning the penis daily.  It
>turns out that one time she did this and the penis got swollen and the
>foreskin would not come back up.  The foreskin was then literally strangling
>the penis and my cousin had to be rushed to the hospital where he was given
>an emergency circumsicion.  Needless to say my aunt immediately circumsized
>her second son.  I am personally in favor of circumsicion (in part due to
>this event), but I understand there are pros and cons to both circumsicion
>and "no circumsicion".  It is basically a personal choice and I don't think
>either choice is better than the other.  



 Now,how could this incident make you in favor of routine circumcision.
Your aunt's MD was ignorant,and with all that unnecessary fiddling
induced phimosis. By the way it is not at all clear that a circ was
the best treatment for this condition.. although in extreme cases blood
supply to the penis can be restricted. Popping the foreskin back over
the glans would have been the European medical solution. All MDS here
wish to to is CIRCUMCISE! 

For example a parent just told me that her intact son fell and said his
penis hurt. The boy was not circumcised. After about 30 minutes of his
continual complaint his mother took him a an emergency room somewhere
in Ohio. The attendening MD wished an immediate circumcision!
She being a bit wiser declined and took Jr. home. He is alive,well
not in pain and totally recovered.
Show my point!














>Frances
>(first time mommy to baby due 5-13-93)
>				^^Just had an ultrasound and was given this
>				new date.  Let's see how accurate they really
>				are when the time comes. :)




--
                       Gary E. Davis /WQ1F/
              Dpt. Electrical Engineering and Com Sciences
              University of Vermont @ Burlington
From: gregs@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Greg Stone)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:55:39 GMT
Subject: Hepatitus B Virus
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

After reading a discussion in these notes a couple of weeks ago regarding
Hepatitus B versus vaccinations for kids, I thought I'd write a summary
of what was published on Hepatitus B Virus (HBV) for our annual National
Ski Patrol dryland refresher this past September.  There's also comparisons
with HIV (human immunodeficiency virus--leading to acquired immunodeficiency
syndrome, or AIDS).

METHODS OF TRANSMISSION         HBV        HIV                      
      
Blood                           Yes        Yes
Semen                           Yes        Yes
Vaginal secretions              Yes        Yes
Saliva (from a bite)            Yes        No


GENERAL INFORMATION             HBV        HIV

Target in the body              Liver      Immune system
  
Risk of infection after
needle stick with infected
blood                           6-30%      0.5%
     
High number of viruses        
in blood                        Yes        No
  
Vaccine available               Yes        No


I believe the vaccines are expensive.  There's three required for adults
(not sure about infants/kids) that may cost $75 each if insurance doesn't
cover them.  Also, with the AIDs virus being able to live for several hours
in a dry environment, I believe that the HBV can live much longer.  I didn't
write this one down, but I recall a number on the order of 48 hours for HBV
life on a dry surface.

HBV is definately on the increase, and we'll get an opinion from our
Pediatrician about vaccinating our kids (my vaccinations are in process now).

Regards,

Greg Stone
From: mark@whizbang.wariat.org (Mark W. Schumann)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Lying to children
Distribution: world
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 16:49:23 GMT
Organization: The Software Sweatshop, Cleveland, Ohio USA
Reply-To: mark@whizbang.wariat.org


In article <C03027.M71@encore.com> rcollins@encore.com writes:

 > 3.  [only applies to religious folk, not me] I especially wonder about
 > religious parents who, even after they just told their kids that Santa
 > was a big fat lie, expect their children to believe in another unseen
 > person (they know only through stories from parents and other adults)
 > for the rest of their lives.

Amen.  :-)

--
Mark W. Schumann/3111 Mapledale Avenue/Cleveland, Ohio 44109-2447 USA
Domain: mark@whizbang.wariat.org                      CIS: 73750,3527
"We're not nuts or anything; I mean *I'm* not nuts." <whizbang!judy>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Advice, please: frequent peeing (4YO)
From: clark_b@cho006.cho.ge.com
Date: 21 Dec 92 10:10:56 EDT
Organization: GE Fanuc Automation, North America

As of Friday morning (12/18), our 4 YO son began urinating very
frequently, roughly once per hour.  Sunday, a urine sample
was checked for signs of urinary tract infection and diabetes
- both negative.  He apparently has no pain either, a usual
symptom of UTI.  He sleeps through the night just fine.

He normally goes 4-6 hours between peeing.  It's not that he's
producing a usual amount of urine in one hour, since the volume
is quite small.  It's that he feels the need (physiological or
psychological) to go.  All other behavior is normal (for this
time of year, anyway :-).  He doesn't even seem aware of the change.

Any suggestions/comments appreciated.

Beth
clark_b@cho009.cho.ge.com

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: MAHER@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Cynthia Maher)
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant", revisited
Organization: The Ohio State University - OCES
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:03:02 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <1992Dec22.151651.13614@afterlife.ncsc.mil> adculha@afterlife.ncsc.mil writes:

> The sole male partner
> of the practice was the only one who appeared to believe that the father-
> to-be might have reason to be included in the discussions.  At the hospital
> after my son was born, the nurses trained my wife in detail on changing
> diapers etc. and ignored me.
> ....
> Also for what it's worth, my wife found this "ignore the father" behavior
> just as bizarre as I did.
> 
In the same vein, we (briefly) had a pediatrician who, while examining the
baby, said to my husband, "Please take your other son out of the room so I can
talk to your wife."  That was the last visit to that doctor!  (Our current
pediatrician seems to actually prefer my husband to bring the children, since
they have a lot in common.)

Cindy Maher
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: thom@cs.mun.ca (Thomas Clancy)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 07:44:58 GMT

kayvan@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Kayvan Sylvan) writes:

>In article <ksand-271292172758@wintermute.apple.com> ksand@apple.com (Kent Sandvik ) writes:

>A deeper question: Why do we assume that we *can* make and carry out a
>decision that permanently affects another human being's body simply
>because they happen to be our children?

>			---Kayvan
 
  Silly question... for that matter, what gives us the right to BRING
  children into this god-forsaken marble we call earth? We don't 
  *assume* anything, what we do is make the best decision we can with
  the information we have. I certainly wish *MY* parents had had me 
  circumcised when I were born, then I would have avoided quite a few
  painful memories I now have. I *HAD* to be circumcised at a later
  age, and it was NOT enjoyable at all, nor was it do to lack of
  cleanliness (sp?). I just can't relate to those that bitch about 
  their parents removing their foreskin, as far as I am concerned, it sounds
  as though they are all victims of listening to the likes of the above
  and those that say, "Man, it sure is *better* when you have a foreskin".
  , seems like they are getting a complex or being duped into believing that
  the grass is "greener". I have been there, and *my* opinion is that *I*
  prefer it without a foreskin, and I certainly wish my parents had the 
  foresight to do so at that time. Hell, my appendix may never rupture, but
  if I had the opportunity to have them removed whilst something else 
  was being done, or have it done so that I would not remember I certainly 
  would. Ever heard the old saying "An ounce of prevention is worth a 
  pound of cure" ? or something to that effect anyways.
   
   Thomas
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Re: Lying to children
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 19:31:37 EST

In article <C03027.M71@encore.com> rcollins@encore.com writes:

   > 1.  I teach my kids lying is wrong.  Enough said.

Well...not that we intend to go the Santa route, but I do think that you
have to distinguish between lying and embroidering the truth.  "Cousin Sue,
it's so nice to see you!"  As I've said many times before on this same
subject (of lying about Santa), should you go to DisneyWorld or some other
equally costumed attraction with your kids, are you going to say, "Look over
there, it's a person in a Mickey Mouse costume!" or are you just going to
say, "Look at Mickey Mouse!"?  The first is exactly the truth, but a wee bit
nitpicky about it.  The second is not the truth, but I'm not sure I'd call
it a lie.  And what about the deception involved in trying to throw a
surprise party for someone?  Does this count as lying too?  I've heard of
members of some religions (and please don't flame me for getting down on
religion in general here, because I'm *not*) who are so intense about not
lying that they even consider novels and other works of fiction lies.  I
mean how far to you really want to push this not lying bit?  Far from making
life easier and more understandable, absolutes can sometimes create more
problems than you bargained for.

   > 3.  [only applies to religious folk, not me] I especially wonder
   > about religious parents who, even after they just told their
   > kids that Santa was a big fat lie, expect their children to
   > believe in another unseen person (they know only through stories
   > from parents and other adults) for the rest of their lives.

I've heard theoretical questions about situations like this, but I have to
say that my experience of having grown up with the Santa story did
absolutely nothing to damage my trust in my parents or my faith in God.
Somehow I guess I was aware that God was something we were absolutely
serious about while Santa had more of a whimsical flavor.  Is there anyone
out there whose trust in their parents and/or religion *really was* damaged
by things like Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and the like?  I
know that in our house we have the Blanket Fairy, who really does come while
you're asleep in some non-bed place and put blankets over you.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Keith E Gatling                                  kgatling@mailbox.syr.edu *
*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
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From: hemstree@mddchh.fc.hp.com (Charles H. Hemstreet IV)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:22:29 GMT
Subject: Anybody buy a Vertibird helicopter?
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Mechanical Design Division