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From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Re: Saddam
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:47:44 GMT

In <5021@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

" In article <nabeel.727990971@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Rosignolo) writes:
" >
" >   Dr. Arabyyat (Dr. Carts) is not even the spokesman of the Brotherhood
" >in Jordan; in fact, I wonder why they keep him as a member there, probably,
" >to avoid envy! "yee, al-`ayn tu.tur'uh!"

" He was a spokesman, at least at the time (1990).  What exclusive
" knowledge do you have to support your statements, Nabeel?

   I do not know whether he really was the spokesman at that time, but
I had a personal experience with him (I do not feel like opening my
personal files in public, so who trust me can take my word for it,)
and I also once posted a "fa.sl baayi.k" of his when he was the
president of the lower house of parliament and how he went around
implementing democracy, in a fashion that does not please the creater
or the creatures. You may want to learn how to evaluate people
objectively, even if they claim that they are the inheritors of the
Prophet (as it is the current satus quo.)

" >   Is that true? We are no longer babies, I think. "Did they rape
" >or did not they rape? That is the question!"

" I think this statement reflects the kind of immature and warped
" mentality for which you are very well-known for, Nabeel.

   The cause of this statement is that you can not decide whether
you want to believe the Kuwaiti propaganda or the facts found out
later. Even if they actually raped, I'll bet the rape rate was
lower than it was before and after the invasion; consult with human
right files, Shaqeeqa.

" >   Its true, but right now, I do not remember the Hadiths about
" >the United Nations, so I will skip. In fact, I think I am wasting
" >my time replying to this post. I will quit.

" Yes, you are definitely wasting your time, Nabeel, because you do
" not have a single clue what you are talking about and are only using
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   I love your style, ma'am! We all don't have a clue, it seems!

" this excuse to flame me -- yet again.

   As if I need excuses to flame whoever the hell I damned well wanted
to flame. Do you call this a flame? If I actually flamed you probably
you would accuse me of physical violence against women!

" I do hope you quit, and will seriously think before reacting.  The best
" policy is always to keep your mouth shut before doing so.

   It was more Islamic to say, "man kaana yu'minu billaahi wa
al-yawmi al-'aa.kiri falyaqul .kayran 'aw liya.smut," but you
have a way with politeness that makes _me_ blush! Can you imagine
that?

" Grrrr.....!

" Anisa 

** ra.hima al-'ilaahu 'akaariman wa .haraa'iran
     sakanoo al-jazeerata wa al-zzamaanu ^sabaabu
   yaa .saa.hi 'in zurta al-madeenata balli.gan
     minnee  salaaman   wa  al-ssalaamu   kitaabu
                                          --<NMG>, 1993

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From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Saddam
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:52:52 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <nabeel.728066864@oracle.sce.carleton.ca> nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul) writes:
>In <5021@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

>" He was a spokesman, at least at the time (1990).  What exclusive
>" knowledge do you have to support your statements, Nabeel?
>
>   I do not know whether he really was the spokesman at that time, but
>I had a personal experience with him (I do not feel like opening my
>personal files in public, so who trust me can take my word for it,)

According to your last article you said:

   Dr. Arabyyat (Dr. Carts) is not even the spokesman of the Brotherhood
 			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
in Jordan; in fact, I wonder why they keep him as a member there, probably,

I didn't ask you to "open your personal files in public".  I just wanted
a reconfirmation to support what you previously stated as the true.  It
is obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about and are using
this as a way of trying to contradict what I wrote.

>or the creatures. You may want to learn how to evaluate people
>objectively, even if they claim that they are the inheritors of the
>Prophet (as it is the current satus quo.)

He NEVER said that he was "the inheritors of the Prophet"!  My God --
were is your mind?!  What is the purpose of bring this into the issue?  I
don't want to evaluate him because the sources of information that I
provided and his position on the issue are accurate and legitimate to the
original posting!  I don't care whether you like him or not, Nabeel.  I
think you should stick to the issue and not what you care to throw in as a
way of offsetting it.

>   The cause of this statement is that you can not decide whether
>you want to believe the Kuwaiti propaganda or the facts found out
>later. Even if they actually raped, I'll bet the rape rate was
>lower than it was before and after the invasion; consult with human
>right files, Shaqeeqa.

I am not referring to Kuwaiti Propoganda.  Yes, I do KNOW that it existed
as a way of obtaining U.S. support for the invasion of Kuwait.  But there
still exists the fact that women (and men TOO) were raped by Iraqi soldiers
during the Gulf War.  Rape is rape, Nabeel.  There is ABSOLUTELY NO
JUSTIFICATION OR EXCUSE for this dehumanizing act of power and control over
innocent human beings!  YOU NEED to read the human rights reports, Nabeel!
 
>   As if I need excuses to flame whoever the hell I damned well wanted
>to flame. Do you call this a flame? If I actually flamed you probably
>you would accuse me of physical violence against women!

I seriously believe that you need good psychiatric help.  I honestly do
not mean this as an insult, but there is definitely something not right
with the way that you function, Nabeel.

Salamtak -

Anisa
From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Re: Sadam
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:08:22 GMT

In <1687@yetti.UUCP> aboelaze@cs.yorku.ca (Mokhtar Aboelaze) writes:

" I am not Anisa, but I really couldn't let this goes by without answering it.

   Neither am I JLE, but that does not mean you can misinterpret
his post and say this.

" Yes, I have seen him praying on (for ?) T.V. But

" Have you seen him fighting Iran for 8 years killing many Moslems on
" both sides and wasting Billions of dollars ?

" Have you seen him occupying Kuwait (undoubltly another Moslem country,
" and although I haven't seen the Emir of Kuwait praying on T.V. I am
" pretty sure that he did it more than once) ?

" Have seen seen him killing Moslems in Northern and Southern Iraq ?

" Have you seen him not giving a damn about his soliders in the Gulf war ?

" I know that in times like this some Moslems are desperately trying to
" cling to any one who might resemble a Moslem Leader, But Sadam ... Please

   JLE's idea was that, whatever Saddam has done does not deny him the
chance of repentance. [As I understand it.]

" >jle

" BTW, he continued to kill Moslems in Northern and Southern Iraq after
" he prayed on T.V.

   If you are a Muslim ruler and some people opposed you, would you be
patting their backs because they are Muslims?

" --Mokhtar Aboelaze   aboelaze@cs.yorku.ca

** `afat-i al-khaleeju wa naafaqa al-'a`raabu
       `amalu al-munafiqi fi al-.hayaati saraabu
    ka_daboo faqultu la`alla feehim .saadiqan
       fa'i_da al-.s.sadooqu munaafiqun ka_d_daabu
                                               --<NMG>, 1993

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From: jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Name of Palestinian Deportees (part i)
Summary: Arabs also expelled
Date: 22 Jan 93 00:57:13 GMT
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide

In article <1993Jan18.151832.12805@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:
>eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

I would like to offer Alan Stein the following quote from Ben Gurion

"From your entry into Jerusalem through Lifta-Romema, through Mahane Yehuda,
King George Street and Mea Shearim - there are no strangers [ie Arabs]. One
hundred percent Jews. Since Jerusalem's destruction in  the days of the Romans
- it hasn't been so Jewish as it is now. In many Arab districts in the west -
one sees not one Arab. I do not assume that this wil change
...
what happened in Jerusalem...could well happen in great parts of the country -
if we [the Yishuv] hold on..And if we hold on, it is very possible that in the
coming six or eight or ten months of the war there will take place very great
changes.. and not all of them to our detriment. Certainly there will be great
changes in the composition of the population of the country"

David Ben Gurion Behilahem Yisrael, pg 68-9, giving the text of Ben Gurion's
speech at the meeting of the Mapai Council, 7 February 1948

I should point out that BG is referring to two previously Arab suburbs in
this speech. Thus as these Arabs were never offered compensation nor ever
allowed to return to Jerusalem I would like to point out several errors in
Alan Stein's previous postings.

1. Israel did not return to the status quo ante bellum in 1967 as these
Arabs Ben Gurion mentions were never allowed back.

2. Israelis started expelling Arabs from Jerusalem well before the Jordanians
arrived. Just check the date of his speech.

3. It was not the Jordanian expulsions but the Israeli ones that changed
the nature of the city. As BG says, not since Roman times had Jerusalem
been so Jewish

4. All later talk of allowing the refugees to return is obviously lies
as Ben Gurion says he does not expect the present situation to change.
(ie the Arabs would not be readmitted)

5. It should also be noted that the Jewish residents were easily able
to return to their houses as the Jordanians had in fact kept them with
the intention of returning them to their rightful owners. In  comparison
Israel has no intention of doing this. Jewish refugees were moving into
previously Arab homes before the fighting stopped and wholescale demolition
took place specifically to prevent any Arab return.


Joseph Askew


-- 
Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud  Barbarian horns draw out the northern wind;
jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu  Paler than water lies the Thistle Pass;
Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care  Sky swallows up the road to Kokonor;
One China One Korea One Eire32  Moonlight, a thousand miles along the Wall.
From: zzaaskk@v2.cgu.mcc.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: PEACE: To whom it may concern
Date: 27 Jan 93 10:15:24 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre CGU


In article <1993Jan24.210052.16801@newstand.syr.edu>, purwinto@rodan.acs.syr.EDU writes:
> "I oppose military intervention or lifting the arms embargo in the civil war 

Just what the Serbs and the Croats want, while the Muslims are being Killed,
pilaged, raped, made homless. This is not peace, this is condoning agression,
genocide and giving another indication to the world that we are living in a
gungle the strong can do whatever they want to the weak.

> ACTION FOR PEACE IN THE BALKANS

Read Action for contiuing massacares of the Muslims in the Balkans.


Kamie
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Secular, Muslim Brotherhood, and Changes
Date: 25 Jan 1993 14:35:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, jhardono@ucs.indiana.edu (JUMAHADI HARDONO) says:

>Dear netters,
>     What is happening to our muslims brothers and sisters around
>the world shows to us that our brotherhood and our sensitivity
>among muslims are not too strong. Maybe some of muslims
>themselves are not concerned on the muslim issues around them.
>maybe they only realize the importance of the sensitivity and
>brotherhood when themselve are getting suffered.
>     We must force strongly our government to assist these
>suffered sisters and brothers in any mean that is necessary. We
>cannot let our government ignore the suffer of our muslims around
>us. If they do ignore it, they will be unforgiven. 
>     Sometimes, muslim countries which are far from Bosnia and
>Iraq wonder what the muslims around these countries (across by seas) are 
>doing.Have they done something better?... Did they know that their
>brothers and sisters who are living close to them are being
>murders, tortured, bombarded and raped?
>     Unfortunately, most of current muslim countries are being
>ruled by western puppets or beggars . So, we need changes... The
>solution is there... We have to replace our secular government.
>
>
>
>
>hadi... 
>     
>

Very well thoughts...

I guess we need more of this stuff.

"Hal Yastwee Alatheena Yalamoona Walatheena La Yalamoon."
"Afaman Yamshee Mokiban Ala Wajhihi Ahd Amman Yamshee Sawean
Ala Siratin Mostqeem."

The Holy Quran.. 

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From: irfan@maxwell.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan)
Subject: DROPLET VOL 1, NO 8, PART 2
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:51:58 CST

DROPLET VOL 1, No 8, Part 2

D R O P L E T
From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an

Translations from the Arabic and Turkish Writings of Bediuzzaman
Said Nursi, 

The Risale-i Noor

VOL 1, No 8, Part 2
------------------------------------------------------------------
TREATISE  ON  IJTIHAD The Twenty Seventh Word 

(continued  from Droplet Vol 1, No 8, Part 1)

Conclusion:  Sharias changed over centuries before Islam. Maybe
in one century more than one prophet and Sharia had come. 
However, after the Last Prophet (SAW), there is no need left for
different Sharias because the Last Sharia is enough for all the
future centuries and nations. 

But pertaining to the detailed matters, there is still need for
different schools of Jurisprudence [mezahip]. Yes, as seasons
change, cloths, too, change. For different patients, different
medicines are prescribed.  Likewise, before Islam, Sharias
changed over the centuries, and judgements varied according to
the capacity of each nation. Since the details of the judgements
of Sharia are concerned with the social behaviors, they are
suited to the social structure so that they become medicine for
people's needs.  

At the time of earlier Prophets (AS) the levels of nations were
very much different from one another. They were vulgar in
behavior, and not much sophisticated intellectually. Therefore,
at those times, different Sharias came to suit their different
states.  Even in one continent, there were many Prophets (AS)
and different Sharias at the same time.  

Lastly, after the Last Prophet (SAW), social diversity and
structure together with technology considerably progressed from
its simplistic level.  As a result of many revolutions and wars,
many nations reached the level of being able to take one unique
lesson from one unique sharia and listen to one unique leader.  
Therefore, there is no need left for different Sharias and many
leaders in this age of the Qur'an and the last Prophet (SAW). 

However, since people did not reach exactly the same level and a
uniform life style, mezahip (schools) varied.  If the majority
of people, as if they are students of higher education, were to
attain one type of social life and same level of social needs,
then mezahip could be united. But the present state of the world
does not allow to achieve such union, nor could mezahip be
united.

Question: If you say that the truth should only be one.  Then,
how come the different judgements of the four mezahip can be all
true?     

-----------------------------------------------------------------
To be continued In$a Allah.
Your Br. Irfan in Islam.
From: abdu@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (abdel-hadi h bukres)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: looking for Arabic characters
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:00:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxgate.6726

I am looking for computer Arabic characters. I don't care what format
they are in. Whether DOS or bitmapped. I prefer bitmapped. You can uuencode
the file that contains them and sen it to:
abdu@cs.pdx.edu

Thanks..
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From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Normand Arthur Beeline)
Subject: Re: Sadam
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:03:58 GMT

In <4977@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

" Surely you are joking!  Apart from rehashing the bloody history
" of Saddam Hussein [to present day, mind you], how can even dare
" suggest that he is a 'great hero' to the Arab and [especially]
" Islamic world, when he has done greater damage to Arab and
" [especially] Islamic unity than the West?
"
   Surely, Saddam (or anyone else for that matter) is not a hero,
strictly speaking, but he has positive fingerprints on his country,
whereas other presidents have negligible traces in their countries.
Other than that, eliminating Saddam as most Arab naive people
advocate, requires replacing him with someone equal or better than
him; no such character is seen in the Iraqi so-called opposition,
which is merely a gang of opportunists, very similar to Yasir
Arafat.

" Is this the same type of logic that Hafiz al-Assad uses by comparing
" himself to Salah Al-Deen?

   Although they share the same Bath idiocies as Iraq, Syria is of
a completely different culture from Iraq's. I do not know of any
similarities, in fact. But Assad can have the same effect of
Saladin but with a phase difference.

"  **       *         *       * 
"  __.      *         *      * * 
" (_/(_____(_)___|___(_)____|_|_|
"              ** 

   It is about time you wrote something positive.

**

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From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Re: Fatwa of Albani on Khomeini
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:33:49 GMT

In <20367.2b62e5c4@ul.ie> abbasa@ul.ie writes:

" In article <C14uun.B3K@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca>, khater@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca 
" (Issam Abu-Khater) writes:
" > Wahabi Trash deleted.

   I am afraid this is useless. Neither Issam nor you specifically quoted
what Albani labeled as Kufr, and none of you discussed that. This is only
a typical Barbaric argument, which is fueled by prejudice and very much
like little kids' play. Play together kiddoes!

" Albani is not the first mullah who has been financed by the arab dictators

   Do you have substance that he is financed by Arab dictators?

" to blacken the shining face of islam.  The history of islam is witness that
" thousands of Albanis were planted by the dictators of Ummayids and Abbasids 
" dynasties to do the dirty job.  Whenever islamic movements tried to uproot
" the evil empire of these dynasities, Albanis came to rescue them.   They
" issued fatwas branding the real islam as shirk and kuffr and thus provided
" freehand to dictators to use all brutal ways possible to crush the power

   There are too many "real Islams" for most people to distinguish, which one
do you mean? Buying arms from Israel? (Not that buying arms from anywhere else
is more honorable.)

" of isalm.  War of Karbala was one of the worst consequence of such fatwas.

   It is news to me that Karbala was based on a fatwa of (Sunnah) scholars.

" In this war the grandson of the Prophet (saw), Imam Hussain (a.s) was brutally
" martyred.  It is really ironic that it was the same Hussain who was termed by
" the Prophet as the leader of the youngs of heaven.

   That is really unfortunate, even in the eyes of us (Albanis and their 
followers), so please do not use it as propaganda.

" Albanis are as active today as they were in the past.  But they never succeeded
" in the past and they are bound to fail in future as well, Inshaallah.  This
" is what Allah has promised to us in His Quran, that is right and truth will 
" prevail and kuffr is doomed.

   It is ironic that "the First Imam" Ali (raa) and his offsprings (whom you
consider Gods minus Epsilon) could not establish "real Islam" and you think
that Khomainists will!

" Takbir.

   allAhu 'akbar (`alY man .ta.gY wa tajabbar.)

" Asad.

** The above is strictly for bedtime reading. (Sorry to mention it too late!)
   It is advised that you go to bed after reading this post. Sweet dreams.

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From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Rosignolo)
Subject: Re: Saddam
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:42:51 GMT

In <5011@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:

" Samir, let me tell you something first before I proceed with this
" post.  The scholars whom I quoted are not from the Gulf nor are
" they apologists for the Kuwaiti government.  They are representatives
" of the Brotherhood in Algeria and Jordan.  I don't have the time or

   Dr. Arabyyat (Dr. Carts) is not even the spokesman of the Brotherhood
in Jordan; in fact, I wonder why they keep him as a member there, probably,
to avoid envy! "yee, al-`ayn tu.tur'uh!"

" the energy at this point to research every perspective of the Islamic
" scholars or Brotherhood.  But I can tell you that the material that I
" quoted from my last posting is in accordance with mainstream Islam.

   "mainstream Islam"?

" Your statements are extremely biased and you are making judgement calls
" without knowledge or understanding of what you are saying.  Furthermore,

   This statement is very popular, I suggest that every netter on this
group include it in their sigs.

" the statement that you made above reflects the type of propoganda that
" Saddam Hussein used to justify his attack and *invasion* on Kuwait.

" But it WAS an invasion!  Iraq crossed the Kuwaiti border and used
" military force to take over while killing, pillaging, and raping
" Kuwait and its citizens.  Despite the fact that Kuwait paid the

   Is that true? We are no longer babies, I think. "Did they rape
or did not they rape? That is the question!"

" U.S. several million dollars for their cause and the United States
" eagerly wanted to intervene for its own interests, this was still
" a violation of the security and sovereignty of a nation and of
" international law.  Kuwait did try to make concessions with Iraq

   Its true, but right now, I do not remember the Hadiths about
the United Nations, so I will skip. In fact, I think I am wasting
my time replying to this post. I will quit.


** `afat-i al-khaleeju wa naafaqa al-'a`raabu
       `amalu al-munafiqi fi al-.hayaati saraabu
    ka_daboo faqultu la`alla feehim .saadiqan
       fa'i_da al-.s.sadooqu munaafiqun ka_d_daabu
                                               --<NMG>, 1993
From: rtrisack@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Robert Risack)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: MAIL ADRESS IN MAROCCO
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:43:42 GMT
Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen
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fsp@thp.uni-koeln.de (Falko Spiller) writes:

>i think, thats a good way.
I do so too.
>i'm a german student who wish to get some contacts with egyptian
>people. every help is welcome.
>(i'm studying physics, math , informatics and philosophy)
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^
He thinks of computer science.
(Nix f"ur ungut Falko ;-)

>--
>Falko Spiller  fsp@thp.uni-koeln.de
>Uni-Koeln,Inst.f.Theo.Physik
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