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From: guidry@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (David Guidry)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Kick of the Day (at least)
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:51:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov16.195116.13206
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

In article <ASAMI.92Nov15200948@anaconda.cs.Berkeley.EDU> asami@snake.cs.berkeley.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.030515.6784@netcom.com>
>        mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>
> * A moment ago, the Broncos' PK DeLuiso kicked off after a FG.  He 
> * immediately raised his arms in triumph.  A moment later the ball
> * sailed through the uprights for what amounted to a 75-yard field
> * goal.
> * 
> * I've been watching football for over 20 years now, and I've *never*
> * seen a kick like this.  Yes, it was in Mile High Stadium, and I
> * believe there's a bit of wind, but -- sheesh.  
> * 
> * Anyone else ever see anything like this?
>
>I saw Doug Brien's kickoff hit the horizontal bar (or whatever you
>call the things that connect the uprights) earlier this year.  He's a
>kicker for California.  The game was in Berkeley's Memorial Stadium.

I've never seen this personally, but I do know that Morten Andersen of the
Saints does this with frightening regularity in practice in the Superdome.

There are several key points which make this relatively unimpressive wrt
fieldgoal attempts:
	o The tee raises the ball a bit and more force can be applied to
	  the easier to hit "sweet spot"
	o The ball can be kicked at a much lower trajectory since you do
	  not have to worry about 6'6" middle linebackers jumping up hoping
	  to swat the ball.
	o you don't have the stress of worrying about the defensive team
	  clobbering you before/during/imediately after kicking the ball...
	  the play doesn't start until you kick the ball.
	o you don't have to worry about timing the play with your holder to
	  make sure that he has time to properly orient the ball since
	  there is no holder.

It is kinda cool, but It doesn't matter one little bit.

Morten did also do this in a game situation once not too long ago... I
think it may have been against the Patriots, but I'm not sure... I was
listening to the game on the radio and remember the announcers going hog
wild over it.

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From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Dolphins vs. Bills: Poor Calls
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:54:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York



two points...

1: intentional grounding... they have relaxed it a lot this season...
otherwise qb's such as moon and young would not be able to scramble
away from the people and thenm run or complete the marvelous passes
that they do.

2: the non-touchdown...  it WAS NOT A TOUCHDOWN... rule clarification
first... when considering if a touchdown is made, if any part of the
ball breaks the plane of the goal... any part past(?) the white line,
it is a touchdown... consider thomas situation... he is running down
the right sideline, the ball in his right arm... someone hits his
upper bidy from the left... this pushes his upper body to the right
while not necesarily having an immediate impact on his feet... since
his upper body was further to the right than was his lower body, and
his right knee struck the pylon... the ball clearly was further right
than the pylon and thus out of bounds 1 foot from the goal where the
ball was spotted.


jason
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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Re: Tie Breaker: NFC playoffs
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:45:40 GMT

david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright) writes:
>I tried to follow a thread in here about tiebreakers and the playoffs
>but it got too complicated. Just who leads the NFC, Dallas or the
>49'ers?
>                        Won   Lost   Tie   Pct.   PF    PA
> Dallas (NFC E)         8      2      0    .800   247   152	
> SF     (NFC W)         8      2      0    .800   292   172

You left out the important issue in this case: SF has the better NFC
winning pct (one NFC loss, while both of Dallases losses are NFC losses).

Therefore, SF has the tie-breaker over big D at this point in the season...
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:25:17 -0500 
From: Young-Soo Che <yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: THE BET II
	<BxxKC1.Auz@acsu.buffalo.edu>

In regard to,
>   Ok, to show that Bills fans do have some sympathy, I will offer a vote to
>  all Bills fans participants of the BET II. email your vote.
> 
>  VOTE YES:  The four Dolphin fans that were involved in the bet should
>             be allowed to post again until SB 27.
> 
>  VOTE NO:   The four Dolphin fans that were involved in THE BET II should not
>             be allowed to post again until SB 27.
> 
I vote Yes, let Doug post.  Let Doug the Dolfan back and post.
It's not a sympathy thing, just let him post again.  It's more fun with
him around, you Bills fans got what you wanted, the win.  If for no
other reason, we'll need Doug around for a probable Bet IV for the AFC
Championship.
Go Fins Go
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Thoughts on Weekends Games
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:36:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


New Orlens at SF: ARRRGGGHHHHH!!! Whahapponed???  When I last tuned int (whilst
switching between games), the Saints were up 20-7 and looked dominant.  At 
least Mora has started to open up that offense.  Hebert had a great day but 
they folded when it counted! Maybe they'll win in post-season??

Philly at Green Bay: As one sign said "Randall or Jimmy Mac. Who Cares?? Bring
on the Pack!".  Randall after having stated that the Iggles would win because
after ll, they were only playing the Packers had to eat his words in the post
game press conference.  Afterwards, Seth Joyner started pointing fingers at
Coach Kotite. Hey Seth: who was part of the defense that gave up 405 yard??
The first rushing TD??  Over 144 yards rushing???  "The fault dear Joyner, lie
not within our coaches but within ourselves!".  Great game by Brett Favre: 
275 yards and 2 TDs with a seperated shoulder.  I like his style!

Washington at KC:  The entire stadium shouting out Harvey Willias name as the
young stud RB comes back for a big game after injuries.  Maybe Coach Gibb 
should've looked at tapes of the Philly-KC game.

LA Rams at Dallas: The dubious Sports Illustrated curse bears its ugly head.
Few weeks ago, Randall Cunningham's photo made the cover of S.I.  He's slipped
into mediocrity since.  This week, the Dallas D donned the cover.  The result:
the most disgraceful performance by the Dallas D to date this season.  Jim
Everett looked like Roman Gabriel. Cleveland Gary looke like Dickerson.  The 
Dallas D was nowhere to be found (Ken Norton made some real bonehead moves). 
The Dallas O was their stud-ly self with Emmitt getting 80 yards on 19 carries
and Irvin making those big plays.

Pats at Indy: Wow, who is this guy Scott Zolak??  When he scored his first TD,
he took off his helmet and bowed.  What would've seemed to be a low scoring
sputtering offensive dud turned out to be a real nail-biter. Good game to 
watch if suspenseful football was your cup of tea.

GIANTS at Denver: Rod Rust must go. Nuff said!

Houston at Minn.: I have tremendous respect for Warren Moon.  The man tried
to make all the big plays on crucial downs.  Hope he gets better. Another
good game...  I sorta wish that Carter would've caught that Hail Mary in the
end zone with both feet in-bounds though.

Raider at Seattle: Seattle'd D had a decent game but SIGH, boy, do they need
an offense.

satish nair
go giants
From: tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Re: STEELERS trivia - corrected answers corrected again
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:53:26 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <27000135@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boe
ll) writes:
>
>You forgot the most important question:
>
>o Who was paid off to blow the call on the field, allowing the Steelers
>  to win a game they should have lost?
>
>A: The zebras.  Tatum never touched the ball.  Therefore the catch by
>   Finko was illegal because it had already bounced off of Pukewa.
>

Now that's a load of shit and you know it.  That's just a stupid rumor started
by raider fans pissed off because they lost on such a wierd play.  As it
happens, I just got the Immaculate Reception on tape, and the ball clearly
bounces off of Tatum.  The question raised by the announcers was whether it
bounced off of both Tatum AND Fuqua, because then the touchdown would be
illegal by the so called double tap rule.  Welcome to reality.
-- 


Tom Schmidlin       DEEP THOUGHTS: By Jack Handey - I wish a robot would
TES0@LEHIGH.EDU         get elected president.  That way, when he came
215-758-0875            to town, we could all take a shot at him and not
                        feel too bad.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:39:15 EST
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Warren Moon

Don't look now, but Cleveland will finish No. 2 in the AFC.  Houston out of
the playoffs - C ya later!!!   Vote for change!  Change is good!  (Just ask
Clinton!)
-Uncle Sam
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: NFC East (and the Cowboys)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:58:18 GMT

blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (TWF) writes:
>Quick question:  Does anyone know the last time that all of the NFC
>East teams lost on the same weekend?  (No, I don't know, but I figured
>that if there's anyone in the US that does, they're probably reading
>this).

Not since 1980, and the database on wuarchive.wustl.edu doesn't
go any earlier...

The last time 4 of the 5 lost at once was last year in week 9, when
Washington won 17-13 at the Giants, Philly lost 7-23 at home to SF,
Dallas got whupped 10-34 at Detroit and Phoenix was shut out 0-28 in
Minnesota.

There were 6 other occasions since 1980 where four of the five lost,
and in each case one of the losses was to a divisional rival.

Humbly crunching numbers,

--Gidi	(go bills)
From: v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (JONNY B. GOODE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Kenny, the best backup around
Keywords: Offensive Line is #1, too.
Date: 23 Nov 92 10:29:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Just a quick mention of the so-called 'mediocrity' of Kenneth Davis.

	Can you say 181 yards rushing?  I knew ya could.

	NOW do you think he could start for just a *few* more teams?  

	And please, don't try to downplay his performance just because it was
against the Falcons.  181 yards IS 181 yards, I don't care which team you're
playing.

	He's freakin' good.  'Nuff said.

Jon
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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Niners 21, Saints 20
Keywords: WORSHIPMORANOW
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:10:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: .


(now I know why I rooted for Dolfans last Monday night)

Chet writes:
>>I take "Class of the
>>league" as meaning head-and-shoulders above the rest.  FAR from that.
>
>Who cares???
>	Buffalo: 28-20 	over Steelers,	26-20 over Dolphins.

"Who cares???"  Who cares about the Boofs?  The discussion is about teams 
that could be considered the Class of the League.  A simple proof to 
illustrate:

Class of League == Legit SB Contender  !=  AFC team 
                                      (not)

...thus, Buffalo does not come into question.

:)  <-- smiley inserted for all (except Chet Butinski)

>Yeah, two divisonal leaders in a row.

AFC div leaders...again irrelevant.

>And, let's throw in...34-31...

OK.  And let's throw in that 1990 reg-season win over the Giants in the
Meadowlands.  Where'd that get you in late January of 1991?

>>Furthermore, if the Niners were playing the Vikes or Cowboys this
>>Sunday at a neutral site, who do the think the bookies would favor?
>
>Who cares?  Where is the line relevant to anything other than money?

Ok. OK. OK!!  Change that to "who would YOU put money on, given and EVEN
spread?"  Niners or Cowboys?

>>Then there's that 8-2 AFL team.......Bub...Biff...Babs....whatever.....
>
>Yeah, 34-31, pal.  And a *whole* bunch of other reasons...

Get a clue Chet (a.k.a. Damned).  The fact that I mentioned Buff shows that 
I consider them one of the top 4-5 teams right now.


>>--J.J.
>>GEAUX SAINTS... (but leave the Prevent at home!)
>
>ObFootball:  If defense wins championships, how come the Saints haven't put in
>a SB appearance?  Or a first-round playoff win?
>
>Sorry, bub, you deserved it...
>
>					---Chet Zeshonski

Oh.  Thanks Chet.  I can see where I deserved it.  Let's see:  

  1) I argue with a Niners' fan because I think his team is better than 
     	he says.
  2) He argues Dallas is better.
  3) I counterargue again in the Niners' favor.
  4) You counterargue that the old cliche "defense wins championships" is
	a fallacy because the Saints have never had a SB appearance.
  5) I bask in the glory of your knowledge.


ObFootball:  Since you're now on the topic of random, senseless,
slammings:  I take it by 'championship' you mean World Championship, as
in Super Bowl VICTORY?....
...thought so...

J.J.(any Bills takers on a BET IV?) Clyde
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Rams
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 19:45:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.015411.11074@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>The Rams came out and tried to pick on Eric Davis deep. All three attempts
>failed, although one of them resulted in a chintzy "illegal contact" call
>against Davis. 

Well, maybe, but the refs were pretty kind to our Niners overall, so I'm
not complaining.

>The only play on which the
>secondary was exposed was on the TD pass to Ellard, on which Hall played
>like a rookie (well, he *IS* a rookie!).

I don't think he's playing like a rookie.  I think he's playing like
a Freshman.  Pretty disappointing, so far.  It's been a tough season
for the Dawgs.

>"[T]he quarterback was a runner, so there is no penalty" (Young had
>scrambled out of the pocket, and was hit when he was near the sidelines).
>I guess I'm not surprised that there is such a rule, but I'm surprised
>that I have not seen this scenario come up more often.

Wasn't there a muffed handoff on that play?  I thought it was the one on
which the ball bounced off the RB's body and back to Young.  He took off
with it, and was still eligible to pass, but was officially a "runner" after
the muff.  Then again, maybe I dozed off.

>John Madden, after observing a 49ers' lineman relaxing on the bench :
>"You know, there ought to be a rule that prohibits defensive linemen from
>crossing their legs while they're sitting on the bench."

Thought that was #41 having a rest.  He did look, well, unusual.
I enjoyed listening to Madden yesterday; got tired of hearing about the
turkey, but thought he had a generally good day.

The Niners are looking good.  They should be fine as long as they don't play
anyone else with a passing attack (like, say, Buffalo or Miami or Denver
or Dallas or . . . hmmm . . . guess I won't predict a Super Bowl win
just yet).
---
-Wendy T., hoping for a Niner-Buffalo rematch
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: L.A. Raiders!!!!!!
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:28:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1ehd3uINN795@male.EBay.Sun.COM> frankm@martinezjr.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>
>
>The broncos are nothing more than a horses ass when it come to playing in Super Bowl. 
>Raiders over the Broncos by 10


Hey, I WANT the Broncos to make it to the SuperBowl.  I think every NFC Team
should have the pleasure of trouncing them in front of an international
audience.

satish nair
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From: jburns@pdxgp1 (John Justin Burns Jr.)
Subject: Re: Okoye again???
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:04:44 GMT

In article <27615@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day) writes:
>
>  Well, for the last 2 weeks I haven't started Okoye on my fantasy team
>because the general feeling was that Word would be back and hence, Okoye
>would see little playing time. He still only had 8 rushes this past
>week but he scored 2 TD's. Without Word in there, Okoye's getting the
>ball down near the goal line.
>  What's the guess for this week? Okoye or Word? Take a shot at it!!!
>
I have the oposite problem - I have Word.  The sports section of the 
news papers have been listing Word as questionable in the injury report
for the past two weeks.  I would continue to play Okoye until Word is at
least probable.

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From: lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James)
Subject: Re: NFL-the business side?
Organization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo, Florida
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:24:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.110828.10596@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
>Does anyone know if National Football League teams reveal their budgets to the
>public or is this classified information? I am curious to find out where the
>money goes, how much the players and employees (everyone from the GM to the
>marketing people) get, what the main sources of income are (licensing,
>television, sponsorship deals...) etc.. 
> 
>MARCU$
> 

You may have an easier time getting to some of these people's daughters
than getting this information. You'd like to know? Yeah, you and every-
body else.
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From: keithg@boi.hp.com (Keith Glasson)
Subject: Re: Bills vs. Steelers Observations
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 07:46:32 GMT
Organization: work
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JONNY B. GOODE (v079m8ta@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote:
	(stuff deleted)

: 	Then what *are* you saying?  What defines 'class' related to a football
: team?  How well they win?  What they say to the media?  WHO CARES?!?  Let's
: analyze the game, not players' personality problems as it concerns what *you*
: think is a 'classy' football player.

        What I'm saying is the players should keep it on the field. The
        whining and bitching detracts from the game. What's the big deal?
        I'm definately not a Bills fan, but I think they have the best
        team in the AFC, and if they keep their focus on the schedule
        they have a real shot at winning a super bowl this season. The
        personality problems of the players affect the game, and that's
        why I made mention of it.



: "whining".  Thomas claims he was misquoted, btw, in that "biggest hit"
: statement.
	
	I didn't catch that, Jon. What was the quote?
: 
: > but thanks for letting me know the difference between
: >	football and etiquette.
: >
: 
: 	No problem.  Please come again.
: 
	Thanks for the invite. Don't mind if I do.
: >	-keith
: 
: 
: Jon


	-keith
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From: wlay@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Radio 90.1 FM WLAY Tarkington Hall)
Subject: CORRECTION (Re: Eagle fan commits suicide (Re: 'Gang Green'))
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 05:48:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov23.210948.626@cis.ohio-state.edu> martens@carp.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes:
>In article <Nov.23.14.25.24.1992.27146@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>
>>When was the last time Green Bay was the NFC champion?
>>When was the last time Green Bay was in the Super Bowl?
>
>Given that the Packers have done the last two more recently than
>the Eagles, and that the Packers all-time won/lost is higher than
>the Eagles', you don't have a leg to woof on.
>
>IMHO this thread is getting pretty stupid, and those wanting to
>continue it should take it to e-mail.
A correction/clarification that should be public:

	The Pack were last NFC champs (and appeared in the SB... last I 
	heard the two went together!) after the 1967 season

	Philly won the NFC and went to SB XV after the 1980 season.

	Eagles fans are entitled to SOME woofing privileges!


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From: Butthead Magoo <magoo_b@in.your.face>
Subject: Re: BUBBY IS THE MAN!!
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:51:03 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

Subject: BUBBY IS THE MAN!!
From: ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH, amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu
In article <1992Nov16.181731.153352@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> ANTHONY MICHAEL
RUTCH, amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu writes:
>Welcome back, Bubby!!
>
>How's O'Donnell for next week?
>-- 
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Being an Oiler fan, I say, 
    "Yes! Put FLUBBY back in there!