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From: ian@ossian.turing.ac.uk (Ian Watson)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Geodaten Tag:  Exhibition
Date: 26 Aug 92 14:03:25 GMT
Organization: The Turing Institute, Glasgow, Scotland.


I am trying to find details about an exhibtion taking place in Hamburg
16-18 September entitled "Geodaten Tag".  

Any help with a contact name or phone number would be greatly appreciated.

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From:         "Patrick L. Jones" <pjones@NEON.MITRE.ORG>
Subject:      Geologic profile software
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	Howdy,

Does anyone out there in net land know of good software for making
Geological profiles, crossections, fence diagrams, etc. ?
I'm  interested in products that run on either PC's or
unix workstations.



						Thanks

						Patrick Jones
						plj@mitre.org
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:16:45 PDT
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From:         Waldo Tobler <tobler@POLLUX.GEOG.UCSB.EDU>

To: gis-l@ubvm.cc.b
Subject: sphere

Re points on a sphere:
        Try:
            G. Giacaglia & C. Lundqvist, 1972, Sampling Functions for
            Geophysics, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Special
            Report No. 344, Cambridge MA (USA).

            D. White, J. Kimerling, W. Overston, 1992, Cartographic and
            Geometric Components of a Global Sampling Design for Environmental
            Monitoring, Cartography & GIS, 19(1):5-22

            W.Tobler & Z. Chen, 1986, A Quadtree for Global Information
            Storage, Geographical Analysis, 18(4):360-371.

The last reference demonstrates the use of authalic latitude to partition
the sphere into quadrilaterals of equal area, and put its surface into a
unit square - within which random points can be placed.

tobler@pollux.geog.ucsb.edu.us
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From: anne@cco.caltech.edu (Anneliese Lilje)
Subject: Re: Arc, X, and emulators (was Sun Arc/Info..PC)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:05:57 GMT

In article <9208280009.AA27781@merlin.universe> esri!merlin!barry@UUNET.UU.NET (Barry Zickuhr) writes:
>I'm not sure where the idea that we "discourage the use of X-windows as
>the interface of choice" came from.  The windowing systems that Arc
>runs under - OpenWindows and Motif - are 100% X11R4.  In fact, we have

Bzzzzz WRONG! They are not 100% X11R4 compatible. Be realistic. It IS
possible for a vendor to program something that runs under OpenWindows
but will NOT run 100% the same under X.The two are very close but that
does not make them 100% compatible! If they were, You wouldn't have
vendors caring which windowing system you choose. Also, here at Caltech,
we have pacakges by many vendors that work great under OpenWindows
but have glitches and bugs running under VANILLA X11R4. Besides X11R5 is
the most recent version of X11 and why it's X114 compatible is 
interesting. 

>several X-terminals, and PCs and Macs running X-terminal emulation
>right here in Technical Support.  Since all the UNIX systems that Arc
>runs on are X-compatible, we actually find these terminals/emulators
>quite versatile.

I was told SPECIFICALLY by YOUR tech support that I should NOT
run Version 6.0 under XWindows, but that I should use OpenWindows
instead.
>
>The confusion may result from the fact that it would be very difficult
>for us to test all possible emulators and graphic devices on the
>multitude of platforms we support.  Add to this the individual problems

Then your claim of 100% compatibility is overstating the case.

>that may arise between the PC and the emulation package, and it becomes

And UNIX boxes and X terminals.



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From:         "Theodore B. Samsel" <tbsamsel@DG11SVARMD.ER.USGS.GOV>
Subject:      International AVS Center
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  Can anyone supply me the address/phone #/e-mail address of
the International AVS Center at the NC Supercomputing Center?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`~~~~
Ted Samsel.......TBSAMSEL@QVARSA.ER.USGS.GOV..(use this!)
From tbsamsel Tue Aug 25 09:39:00 1992
To: /va11/tbsamsel/ted.sig, mark@geog5.umd.edu
Subject: elite?

I find it obnoxious too, but it's out there and it will getcha
if you don't watch out...
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From:         RA185013@HKPCC.HKP.HK
Subject:      Re: Arc, X, and emulators (was Sun Arc/Info..PC)

I totally understand the difficulty of Barry and symthathise the frustration
of Rob and Anne. However, I would like to remind listers to pay attention
on the wording during the open-discussion. As we are in list for changing GIS
knowledge, we should appreciate the knowledge and difficulty of others at a
particular issue.

From my experience, I use PC-XIEW, an X-emulator in PC, and PC TCP networking
software on a 486 33MHz with 8 Mb RAM to run Arc/Info 6 successfully. In
timing the display of a full scene SPOT image with 3 band in IMAGEVIEW, the
speed is very closed to colour NCD 14". The Arc/Info runs on a SPARC 2 with
32Mb RAM. By using DeskQview with NFS, the result is negative as other listers.

Please continue the DISCUSSION by sending your experience to share with others.

Regards.

Thomas Lee
GIS Specialist.
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From: C.V.Copas@lut.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Universal use of GIS
Reply-To: C.V.Copas@lut.ac.uk (Conn Copas)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 11:26:25 GMT

In article <GIS-L%92082613245159@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU> DWONG@UCONNVM.BITNET (David Wong) writes:
>
>(stuff deleted) claiming that a 'competent' user interface can
>TEACH spatial problem solving and a large portion of subscribers on GIS-L
>who are teaching professionals can be replaced by the interface.
>
This is slightly unrelated, but interesting nonetheless. The SPSS user manual
in its first chapter warns of the dangers of placing statistical packages in
the hands of non-statisticians. It also warns of the dangers of learning about
statistics without recourse to a textbook. Having said all that, I have learnt
more about (non spatial) statistics through the SPSS 'system' (ie, comprising
software and manuals) than I learnt in 4 years of undergraduate teaching. Why?
a) The manual adopts a global perspective and allows one to distinguish the
wood from the trees b) Using the system rapidly builds up a concrete model
of statistics which is far more enduring than abstractly presented principles.
I guess that's a comment on the sort of teaching I received.
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From:         "SCHLESINGER, PETER" <i43_ps02@RED.WHOI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Line lengths in Idrisi
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I wrote a line length program whose source and exec was zipped in a file
and sitting in the IDRISI main directory at CLARKU for all you netters who
know how to get in. I think called lineleng or somesuch .ZIP.
Help yourself.
Peter Schlesinger
The Woods Hole Research Center
i43_ps02@red.whoi.edu
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From:         Hermani Vieira <IGF01001@UFRJ.BITNET>
Subject:      ! Needing help from ITC/NL

Hi,

    I need help from somebody at ITC/NL - International Institute for

Aerospacial Survey and Earth Sciences in the Netherlands.

    Does anyone know anybody there or an eletronic address to get in

touch?

    Thanks in anticipation.

Hermani M. Vieira
Geography Department - UFRJ        igf01001@ufrj.bitnet
Geo Processing Group - NCE/UFRJ    hermani@ipanema.ufrj.br
                                   hvieira@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From:         Indiana Jones <navanax@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Non-US Maps
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   Greetings everyone. I was wondering if anyone has a good clue where
one can find street maps of international cities, in either manual or
digital form (digital much preferred). I have exhausted my search with
the CIA and have had little success with DMA. I have poured through the
extensive map collection here at the University of Washington, but what
I have found is not particularly encouraging. My basic conclusions are
that such maps must be obtained from either 1) The country in question
or 2) the CIA for limited maps such as Moscow, Kiev, etc. I did come
across a fantastic set of old Army Map Service maps from the late
1940's which show a great many cities at scales ranging from 1:12,500
to 1:100,000. Even something around the 1:100,000 range would be
helpful. Of course we know such maps exist, but I'm looking for something
in the public domain. Any ideas out there?

   Tom Edwards
   Univ. of Washington
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From:         JJONES@CLARKU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Line lengths in Idrisi

Not that dumb a question; the answer is "sort of".  TOSCA (the digitizer
and vector editor released with version 4) will have that capability
in the future.  I wrote up a distance calculation routine for my own
use, for version  3 files.  Would you be able to work with that?  If so,
I will try to dig out that program. Jeff Jones. JJONES@CLARKU.BITNET.
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 15:22:00 GMT
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From:         STGG8004@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE
Subject:      Re: electronic atlases

> I would appreciate receiving any references subscribers may be aware of
> to the design and production of electronic atlases; particularly those
> run on microcomputers using software such as hypercard.  Thanks!!
> Jan Mersey, University of Guelph, Canada.

Jan,
You forgot to include your private mailing address! So, apologies to
everyone else who gets this (though you may find the information of
some use as well :-)

The following may be of use to you. The first two, although published
in separate journals, are French and English versions of the same paper.
The atlas that they describe, incidentally, is also available on disk.
It is very cheap (only about 30 UK pounds if I remember correctly), and
should be obtainable on request to Gary Robinson, at the NERC Unit for
Thematic Information Systems (NUTIS), Department of Geography, University
of Reading, Whitenights, PO Box 227, Reading RG6 2AB, England. I know
Gary does use e-mail, but only have the node address (NUTISVA.AC.UK),
not his user-name. Anyway, here are the references. Good luck!
Darius Bartlett,
University College, Cork, Ireland.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Robinson, G.J. (1991)
Projet d'Atlas Marin Numerique du Royaume-Uni: Approche progressive vers un
systeme d'informations marines.
Revue hydrographique Internationale Monaco. 68(1), 41-54.

Robinson, G.J. (1991)
The UK Digital Marine Atlas Prject: an evolutionary approach towards a
marine information system.
International Hydrographic Review, Monaco. 68 (1), 39 - 51.

Robinson, G.J. and Pugh, D.T. (eds.) (1991). European marine atlases:
current trends and future directions. Institute of Oceanographic Sciences
Deacon Laboratory, Report No. 283. (UK National Environment Research
Council). 77 pp.

[This report contains the proceedings of a workshop held at Reading University
in April 1990 to discuss the setting up and technical requirements, etc of
a European (digital) marine atlas. It has contributions from Spain, Portugal,
Ireland, Greece, and Portugal, as well as the UK. There is no ISBN given,
but in case of difficulty, it may be obtained (for 21 pounds, which is not
cheap!) from the Institute of Oceanographic Sciences, Deacon Lab, Wormley,
Godalming, Surrey, England.]
From: kalam@aludra.usc.edu (Kamran Alam)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Point in country routine?
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:14:43 GMT
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In article <1992Sep1.151207.16281@news.media.mit.edu> kanarick@media.mit.edu (Craig M. Kanarick) writes:
>I was wondering if anyone had a nice little routine that given a
                                      ^^^^^^ 
>location in lat/long would return the name of the country?
>
I don't know if something exists of that sort; but it's not gonna be
"little" for sure.
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From:         Peter Halls <PJH1@VAXA.YORK.AC.UK>
Subject:      ESRI - Environmetally SENSITIVE Reseach Institute?
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Well Done ESRI!!!!

I received another package from ESRI today with much more of the off-white
packaging material - and a little card telling me that the material is a
new, environmentally friendly, substance.  Being very conservative and
disbelieving - I tested a piece and found, truly, that it DID dissolve in
water ...  I'm GREATLY impressed.  I've not seen anything like it in the UK
yet ...

Just one thought ... it tastes like Rice Paper (hardly surprising) - how about
a little twist of salt (as in the potato crisp packets ...) ??

Now, come on everyone else -- use this stuff so that the polystyrene stuff
goes out of fashion so fast that its too expensive to produce and is abandonned
thus saving us from the noxious fumes, etc., in trying to dispose of the old
packing ...

My garden compost heap is about to benefit ...  Many Thanks for the gesture!


Peter Halls
University of York


PJH1@UK.AC.YORK    or t'other way about
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From:         JAC8@LEICESTER.AC.UK
Subject:      RE: Any word on VISTAPRO?
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We have just received VISTAPRO and are interested in its educational
possibilities. Please note that it is NOT a GIS - it is basically
a system that adds a library of topographical art to a DEM. So instead of
just a featureless wire-drape or colour contour surface you can design
custom output (trees, snow, haze, rivers...).A camera/target facility enables
you to seleft views and even animate them (moving camera toward target).
	A boon for budding latter day Capability Browns, the system uses
USGS data. Can you import your own data ? Soon, apparently: this feature
is due to be introduced at the next COMDEX.
	I'd be interested to hear from anyone using VISTAPRO in a teaching
context.

John Castleford
CTI Centre for Geography
Leicester University
CTI@leicester.ac.uk
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Subject: MAPINFO
From: john@ahuriri.gen.nz
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 07:04:46 GMT
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Does anyone out there have any comments on MapInfo 2 for Windows?  I'm
interested in what you can tell me about its usefulness, robustness, size
of problems it can handle, speed, resource use etc.

Replies by mail, I'll post a summary.

TIA, John



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Subject:      Subscription
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Request addition to your list.

Thanks

Srinivas
GIS/Trans, Ltd.
From: dmark@acsu.buffalo.edu (David Mark)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Universal use of GIS
Date: 29 Aug 92 12:47:09 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <m0mOJFx-0001ZCC@virgil.tfic.bc.ca> clh@TFIC.BC.CA (Chris Hermansen) writes:
>Charles Bennington writes:
>
>[stuff deleted]
>>                                        All it takes to utilize GIS is
>>education.  A competent user interface which supports that learning process
>>would enable any old monkey to understand spatial problem solving.  A well
>>designed user interface would allow experienced (ivory-tower-bound?) users to
>>develop new approaches to GIS.  Once a user interface exists which encourages
>>more people to use GIS, the field will only improve.
>
>Really Charles!  Pick up a National Geographic some time and watch them carp
>about "how few elementary school students know where Mexico is" or some other
>such thing!!!  Do you really think a "competent" user interface (as opposed to
>a "competent user" interface) is really going to solve these people's problems?

I think there is almost no connection between the type of geographic knownedge
that allows people to find Mexico, or their home town, on a map, or name
the capital of Bolivia (declarative knowledge), and the type of spatial 
knowledge that would be needed to use a public information system to find out 
about the changes in the assessed of houses in their neighborhood (to help
decide whether to complain about their own assessment), or to examine the
plans for a proposed shopping mall, etc. (some combination of configurational
knowledge of their region of interest, plus perhaps some procedural knowledge).

>Why should GIS software designers have to design systems so that ANYONE can
>use them?  Why should they not concentrate instead on systems that experienced
>people can use properly?

Why should the research community, or the software developers, have to choose 
between these two worthy goals?  Why don't some of us concentrate on one type 
of user, and others on the other type?  (I presume Chris will concentrate on the
'professional' users; the problem of making GIS usable to the public seems more 
intellectually challenging to me, and therefore more interesting.)

>Would we not all be served better by more reliable answers, rather than a
>better look-and-feel?

Again, why do we have to choose between these?  Isn't it intuitively obvious 
that we would be well-served by both?

David Mark
dmark@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu
From: shamel@mais.hydro.qc.ca (Stephane Hamel)
Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.gis
Subject: Re: Arc, X, and emulators (was Sun Arc/Info..PC)
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:00:27 GMT
Organization: Hydro-Quebec, Montreal, Canada

smyser@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rob Smyser) writes:

>The question above is innocent enough, though it asks for recommendations
>instead of case-examples and anecdotes.  It isn't clear that distributors have
>a clue about the mix-and-match qualities of trying to mate client-side
>PCs/Macs/remote workstations with the server-side of Arcinfo and other
>X applications.

If you want a case-example, I can give you one that relates directly to what
you mean:

   - I'm using a 386/25 PC (SVGA video, 4Mb RAM) with Windows 3.1 and
     eXceed/W
   - I'm connected to a SUN SparcStation 330
   - I'm also using Arc/INFO without ANY problem!
   - Also, our application involve Oracle database interaction from Arc/INFO,
     and again, I have absolutely no problem
   - Our application is quite complex (and still under development) and can
     be regarded as a good example of a client-server solution

>Anne Lilje at CalTech, myself at MIT, and others have been trying to use
>known working X server solutions with Arcinfo 6.* and having a hell of
>a time of it.  I totally understand her tone of frustration.  Not everyone owns
>or wants Suns, which seems to be the stock answer for all incompatibilities.
>Fooey.
>Part of the problem is that X server solutions that work for
>_everything_ else, fail with Arc.

I suggest your PC/emulator/Sun may be not configured properly! At least, now
you know it's possible. I agree with you that hardware/software integration
from multiple platforms may not be easy... but most of the time it's feasable!
--
 Stephane Hamel (SHamel@Mais.Hydro.Qc.Ca)