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Date:         Sat, 26 Sep 1992 10:37:46 PDT
From:         Charles Scheiner <cscheiner@IGC.APC.ORG>
Subject:      East Timor program on Discovery Cable

"Cold Blood: The Massacre of East Timor" will be broadcast nationally
on the Discovery Channel, cable TV, at 5:00 pm Saturday September 26
and 2:00 am Sunday September 27.

This one-hour program, which contains footage of the massacre last
November 12 when Indonesian troops shot down over 140 people engaged
in a peaceful protest of the 17-year occupation, has been broadcast
around the world to educate and mobilize people about this blot on
humanity.

Watch it; tape it; show it to your friends.

For more information, contact the East Timor Action Network at igc:cscheiner.
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:34:00 EDT
From:         EEMOISE@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: POWs and tolerance

On Sat, 26 Sep 1992 16:29:00 CST ACKERMAN DAVID J <ACKERMDJ@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU>
said:
>         I agree with Ian - the "del" function in the mail software works wonde
rs
>  to rid yourself of messages you may not want to read.
>
>         I do disagree with banning them. Some observations . . .
>
>            The basic cornerstone of freedom is the free flow of information.
> Once you start to ban one thing, your topic may be next.
>
> Dave Ackerman

Dave, nobody is suggesting that this stuff be banned.  They are
suggesting that Nhan Tran exercise some self-control and not post
so much of it.

Think back.
A few months ago, Nhan Tran was posting large quantities of material
that struck a lot of people (including me) as _really_ bad.  There
were a lot of complaints.  I think he was paying attention, because
after a while he pretty well stopped posting blatant propaganda.

The stuff he now posts is of far higher quality.  There have been
a few complaints about it, but not many.  I agree with the comment
I saw a few days ago that it would be nice to cut down on the
duplication, but I am finding enough useful information to keep
me reading.

Feedback serves a useful purpose.

Ed Moise
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:11:56 EDT
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: Wimol urges soldier to be "progressive"

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 23:48:41+0700
From: yongyuth@munnari.oz.au (Yongyuth Pahirah)

The Nation Tues Sept 29

ARMY chief Gen Wimol Wongwanit said yesterday that he wants his soldiers to be
progressive mind, a quality he said is helpful for the development of the
armed force.

  Wimol was speaking to about 230 commanders from Army units throughout the
  country at the Army Auditorium.

  Wimol said Army personnel should regularly monitor the world's up-to-date
  situations as well as economics and cultural ones to catch up with all kinds
  of changes.

  ``These will make our personnel progressive-minded which will be useful to
  the development of the Army,'' Wimol said.

  Many Army officers were severely criticized as being too conservative
  following the May bloodshed. Some of them came out to defend the use of
  forces to crush anti-Suchinda demonstrators.

  During a political discussion at the Army Auditorium early this month,
  politicians from the parties which took part in the anti-Suchinda rallies
  received boos and jeers from the soldiers.

  Wimol told the commanders that the Army had to try every means possible to
  restore the public faith toward it. The May bloodshed, in which at least 52
  people were killed and hundreds others injured, caused many middle-classed
  people to hate soldiers.

  The Army chief, who has repeatedly said he would distance himself from
  politics and who always appeared cautious when asked to comment on politics,
  said he was pleased that so far none of his sub-ordinates had involved
  themselves in politics.

  Wimol thanked the commanders for having seen to it that their sub-ordinates
  exercised their voting-right in Sept 13's election with no negative reports
  against the Army.

  The Army chief also told the commanders that he thought that the Chuan
  Government would run the country smoothly.

  Wimol asked the the commanders to understand the press when they approached
  him for comments on politics. He said the press was just attempting to make
  their reports comprehensive and not trying to involve the Army in politics.
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 10:35:43 -0400
From:         Nhan Tran <tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM>
Subject:      NEWS/VN: S.Korea airlines to boost VN, China flights

09/28

S.Korea airlines to boost Vietnam, China flights

    SEOUL, Sept 28, Reuter - South Korea's two international airlines, cashing
in on increasing contacts with former communist adversaries, said they would
expand charter operations to Vietnam and China from October 1.
    Officials at <Korean Air Lines Co Ltd> (KAL) and <Asiana Airlines Co Ltd>
said they would increase flights to Ho Chi Minh City and Chinese destinations in
an effort to cope with rising passenger demand.
    A KAL spokesman said it will increase operations on the Seoul-Ho Chi Minh
City route to three flights monthly from the present two. It also plans weekly
flights to Shenyang.
    Asiana will charter planes for two flights a month to Ho Chi Minh City, a
company official said. South Korea's second carrier has been operating flights
to Vietnam according to demand since the start of the year.
    The company plans to boost its Seoul-Tianjin service from one flight weekly
to about 10 flights a month from October.
    South Korea cut diplomatic ties with Vietnam in 1975 but relations have
warmed in recent months and it has now established a trade office in Hanoi.
    South Korea and China established diplomatic ties last month and President
Roh is currently on an official visit to Beijing.
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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 1992 14:34:51 EDT
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: Forces to be slashed 25 percent

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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 16:39:06+0700
From: yongyuth@munnari.oz.au (Yongyuth Pahirah)

The Nation Sunday Sept 27

Thailand's military forces, particularly the army are to be cut by 15 per cent
in the next five years and by 25 per cent over the next decade under reformed
approved by the Defence Council to conform with the changed international
atmosphere, a senior army official has revealed.

  The army comprise about 170,000 soldiers, about a half of the total Armed
  Forces strengths.

  Special Warfare Commander Lt Gen Surayudh Chulanonda told The Nation last
  week the military had re-assessed external threats to Thailand and
  tentatively concluded that it was unlikely the contry would face a
  large-scale or a prolonged war in the next 10 years.

 However there was still the possibility for outbreaks of armed skirmishes,
 such as border fighting, siad Surayudh, who is recognized as a progressnve
 soldier among the up and coming generatin of military leader.

  Apart from reducing the size of the defence forces, Surayudh said that the
  Armed Forces;s technology and defence know-how also needed to be enhanced to
  keep abreast of developments.

  Te restructuring of the Armed Forced would be guided by the assessment on
  external threat over the next 10 years. From the stategic point of view,
  Surayudh, who stressed that he was venturing a comment as an officer and not
  as a soldier, said the Navy and the Air Force would have greater roles to
  play in defending the country in the future.

 "We still don't have a naval force [capable of] protecting our economic
 interests in the Andaman Sea and this is important given the project to
 develop the southern seaboard area.

" And as many military strategist knows, the Air Force would be at the
forefront in deterring any possible agression. Its needs sufficient forces to
provide air cover not only over the land but also the seas within our
boundary," he said.

  An informed source, asking not to be identified said that top security
  officials had agreed that the Navy should from now on become the lead player
  among the three arm of the military.
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:03:43 PDT
From:         "(Coban Tun)" <tun@QUARK.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Burma: porters

                  PORTER NEWS
Name         -Maung Pan Mying
Age          -38 years
Father Name  -U Shwe Thaung
Mother Name  -Daw Shwe
Address      -Pa-an city, Karen State, Burma#.
Occupation   -wood cutter
Story        - Maung Pan Myint has six children; four boys
and two girls. He was forced to serve as a porter by Regiment
No.1 under control of battalion No.44 in June, 1990. He was
forced by the military to carry heavy rice bags for military
rations at the Mya Wa Di port, opposite Mae Sod, Thailand.
Last month, he fled from this place.

Name         - Maung Myint Than
Age          - 21 years
Father Name  - U Tin Oo
Mother Name  - Daw Mya
Address      - Mataban city, Tennassarin Division, Burma#.
Occupation   - Fisherman
Story        - Maung Myint Than was forced to be a porter by
Light Infantry No.1 in Mataban city. He carried heavy rice
bags, onions and salted fish bags for military rations. The
BSPP troops treated the porters very badly. Sometimes the
BSPP troops brutally beat the porters. Even when the porters
were seriously sick, the troops did not give them any
medicines. When Maung Than ask for medicines from the troops,
they threatened to beat him. Now, he has been able to flee
from that military area.

Name         -Maung Myint Hlaing (Pho Taw)
Age          -24 years
Father Name  - U Chit Hlaing
Mother Name  - Daw Chaw Sein
Address      - Se Sone Ward of Moulmein city, Tennassary
               Division, Burma#.
Occupation   - unknown
Story       - On 25th September, 1990, two privates from
Regiment No.97 drank a lot of alcohol and came into the Moe
Goke Set Wine Monastery where the privates swore at all the
people. Then, they shot their guns and robbed the some of the
people on the main road in Moulmein city. The people ran to
escape from this place. At that time, Maung Myint Hlaing was
going to his shop and saw this incident. So, he also ran
along the main road to Thaung Yin stream. The two privates
chased him. Finally, he dove into the stream but he does not
know how to swim. The two privates also dove into the stream
to arrest Maung Myint Hlaing but the privates could not swim
because they drank a lot of alcohol. At that time, other
privates also arrived at the side of the stream and aimed
their guns at a boat driver to force him to go save their two
soldier friends. The army men, however, neglected Maung Myint
Hlaing.   For this reason, Maung Myint Hlaing drown in the
stream.

From:  BUrma Rights Movement for Action
B.U.R.M.A. -- October 17, 1990
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:34:56 PDT
From:         "(Coban Tun)" <tun@QUARK.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Bangladesh: Situation on the border

Article: 7605 of soc.culture.bangladesh
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From: zrkhan@athena.mit.edu (Zeeshan R Khan)
Keywords: Refugees
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:55:46 GMT

	DHAKA, Bangladesh (UPI) -- Bangladesh has accused the Dhaka mission
chief of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees of overstepping his
authority and is seeking his replacement, a senior government official
said Saturday.
	The official said Darioush Bayandor, the Iranian-born official in
charge of the agency's Bangladesh operation, has acted in an
``undiplomatic and arrogant manner, and we found it extremely difficult
to get along with him.''
	The request to replace Bayandor was made by officials to Shamsul
Bari, the UNHCR Kuala Lumpur mission chief, who is in Dhaka to help mend
a growing rift with the Bangladesh government.
	Bari met Foreign Minister A.S.M. Mustafizur Rahman and Home Affairs
Minister Abdul Matin Chowdhury Saturday, when he was asked to convey the
government's position to UNHCR headquarters in Geneva.
	``We have explained that we have no objection to UNHCR involvement in
Bangladesh, but Bayandor has an attitudinal problem,'' said the official
who requested anonymity. ``He often seems to forget he is dealing with
the government of a sovereign state.''
	The UNHCR provides financial and technical aid to Bangladesh to look
after some 250,000 Burmese Muslim refugees living in 19 camps along a
road between the coastal towns of Coxs Bazaar and Teknaf.
	Bangladesh signed an agreement with Burma Apr. 28 last providing for
``safe and voluntary'' repatriation of the refugees, who say they fled
their homes in the northwestern Burmese province of Arakan because of
military repression.
	Many refugees in the camps have demonstrated against repatriation
with placards written in English, which, officials say, were most likely
supplied by aid officials to the illiterate refugees.
	Government officials have privately accused individual UNHCR and
relief agency officials of encouraging the militants.
	Attempts to reach UNHCR officials in Geneva for reaction were not
successful.






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I'm reposting this article on SCB, for SCB-readers who missed it in the
clari newsgroups
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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: MA: Fare Price Increase
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:44:29 GMT

[ Article crossposted from soc.culture.asean ]
[ Author was Othman Ahmad ]
[ Posted on Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:38:23 GMT ]

Starting from yesterday, 1st Oct, fares in Malaysia increased.
Taxis in KL is allowed to charge 50c extra for the first 2 kms. I cannot
catch the fares for buses.
	I support this move. In fact this increase is too little and too
late. It should be as high as singapore. Imagine a fare of M$1 for minibuses
in KL.
	You may say it is too expensive but it will surely improve services,
provided competition is provided in the same routes.
	A good example is my home town, Sandakan. The bus service used to
be the best in Malaysia, with seats with head rest, with 5 min max waiting time
even in peak hours. This is better than even Singapore. However the buses
are not safety conscious because of these competitions.
	Sandakan also have air con buses. The mini bus fares are also 50c
but the route is shorter, much less traffic lights, than KL. Hopefully
with the fare increase, there will be more air con buses.
	Sabah also pioneer the 13 seat vans for public passengers. In Peninsular
Malaysia, these vans are also used for factory workers. These vans actually can
bring you to your door step because of its small size. It is a step more
convenient than any other bus service in the world.
	What is wrong with the pioneer and the best in the world? We should be
proud of something that is true.

	I support this move 100% which to me is against the wishes of Dr.
Mahathir's speech in Langkawi,"the hotel and other rates should not be
increased because it will cause an increase in cost of living, which in turn
leads to workers demanding higher salary"(these are not his exact words
because I listened to it on TV3 a few days ago).
	Obviously some powerful advisers had managed to convince him of his
errors at long last, instead of treating him like a god. Who is this guy?
Anyone with better knowledge than I'm.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 1992 08:32:17 EDT
From:         Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Subject:      TH: Manoon expected to fight charges

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 01:15:31+0700
From: kamol@munnari.oz.au (Kamol Hengkietisak)


FUGITIVE Young Turk officer Maj-Gen Manoon Roopkachorn may return from
overseas to face charges of masterminding an assassination plot
against national figures, First Special Branch Division commander Pol
Maj-Gen Yothin Matayomnand said yesterday.

Maj-Gen Manoon has been subject to the charge since the National
Peace-keeping Council staged a coup d'etat on February 23 last year.

Pol Maj-Gen Yothin said that he believes Maj-Gen Manoon will now
return to fight the charges since a new elected government will be in
power.

He was at first due to return after the general elections but delayed
it.

"He could come back now because things will be better. He has a lot of
friends in political circles and the political atmosphere is much
better," Pol Maj-Gen Yothin said.

Central Investigation Bureau Commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Thanu Homhual has
made enquiries with the Immigration Police concerning the unknown
arrival date of Maj-Gen Manoon.

Pol Lt-Gen Thanu was in charge of the alleged assassination plot
investigation.

Maj-Gen Manoon is leader of the Class 7 Young Turk officers of the
Chulachomklao Military Academy which has been in conflict with the
Class 5 officers led by former prime minister Gen Suchinda Kraprayoon
and former army chief Gen Issarapong Noonpakdee.
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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 1992 09:31:00 EDT
From:         EEMOISE@CLEMSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Woooowww....wooooowww

On Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:42:33 PDT Charles Scheiner <cscheiner@IGC.APC.ORG> said:
>
> In 1967, Martin Luther King called the US military "the greatest purveyor
> of violence in the world today," and things have gotten far worse since
> then.  In six weeks in early 1991, the US government killed more people
> (in Iraq) than Indonesia has killed (about 200,000) in 17 years of
> occupying East Timor.  Both are horrible crimes against humanity.

Charles -

    Could you cite a source for your statement?  I cannot recall ever
having seen an estimate even as high as 150,000 for the number killed
in the six weeks of war, and I believe that some reasonably credible
sources have made estimates below 50,000.

    The public health crisis in Iraq since the war may well have
killed over 200,000, but that is not simply a delayed consequence
of the US military effort.  It is also to a large extent a product
of the ongoing economic blockade of Iraq, which prevents repair of
war damage.

Ed Moise
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From: wwibowo@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (wahyu catur wibowo)
Subject: Re: East Timor program on Discovery Cable
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:19:50 GMT

In article <9209261737.AA06336@igc.apc.org> Charles Scheiner <cscheiner@IGC.APC.ORG> writes:
>"Cold Blood: The Massacre of East Timor" will be broadcast nationally
>on the Discovery Channel, cable TV, at 5:00 pm Saturday September 26
>and 2:00 am Sunday September 27.
>
>This one-hour program, which contains footage of the massacre last
>November 12 when Indonesian troops shot down over 140 people engaged
>in a peaceful protest of the 17-year occupation, has been broadcast
>around the world to educate and mobilize people about this blot on
>humanity.
>
>Watch it; tape it; show it to your friends.
>
>For more information, contact the East Timor Action Network at igc:cscheiner.

Actually, the show must be completed with the information of how the
US Govt supported and perharps ordered the Indonesian Govt to invade
East Timor in 1975 (during the cold war with former Soviet Union).
The end of the show has to show how the US, disguising itslef as a
Human right Hero, dennies its role and betrays the relationship
with Indonesia by imposing sanctions (while in the other parts begging
Indonesia to give US some billion dollar projects - as in AT&T case).

--wahyu--

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From: hmeedin@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
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Subject: malaysia
Date: 28 Sep 92 16:27:25 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

In article <920926.185242.EDT.3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>, Elliott Parker <3ZLUFUR@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
> On Fri, 25 Sep 1992 20:48:42 CDT Syed-Ahmad S. Syed-Ali said:
>>I guess you all knew what I mean here.  As a malaysians, I really appreciate
>>if any subscriber in Malaysia could post any current news about Malaysia.  I
>>believe that there are lots of things going on over there that might interest
>>some of us, especially me.
>>    For those who planned to do so, I appreciate you contribution very much.
> 
> I think the entire list would appreciate it.  Surely there is someone
> out in "cyberspace" who has access to, and could post, Malaysian
> news and/or information?  It's not like Malaysia is unconnected--
> there are at least a few connections.  Maybe a BBS on an echo?
>    If anybody needs help in the mechanics of uploading, or if I
> can help in any other way, let me know.
> 
> ========================================================================
> Elliott Parker                   Bitnet: 3ZLUFUR@CMUVM
> List Owner, SEASIA-L and CARR-L  Internet: 3zlufur@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu
> Department of Journalism         Less certain possibilities:
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> Mt. Pleasant, MI 48859 USA         CompuServe: 70701,520
> Office tele: +1 (517) 774-3196     The WELL: eparker@well.sf.ca.us

calling all malaysian students of every race and color, the Foreign 
minister, abdullah badawi would like to meet students at 11.00am, oct 
3rd in washington d.c. at the malaysian students dept. 1900 24th 
street, N.W. for more info, rep

FOOD provided--more of the malay kind


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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:39:00 EST
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Subject:      SEA Telecoms

Haven't seen much on this channel lately on SEA telecoms. GSussman
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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: NEWS/VN: Spratlys faceoff
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:47:54 GMT

tran@PEORA.SDC.CCUR.COM (Nhan Tran) writes:
: 10/04
: 
: Spratlys Faceoff
: 
: Copyright, 1992. The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
: 
: By DENIS D. GRAY
:  Associated Press Writer
:    HANOI, Vietnam (AP) -- Vietnam wants to shift its society to making money
: rather than wars, but its leaders fear a confrontation may be looming with its

: current arms buildup by ASEAN members, with Malaysia and the Philippines
: upgrading their navies, Singapore purchasing U.S.-made F-16 warplanes and
: Malaysia probably buying Russian MiG-29 jets.

Just to make a correction here that Datu Najib, the current Malaysian defence
minister , had confirmed on TV that Malaysian will buy as yet unspecified
number of Mig29.

:    The Spratly dispute is being variously viewed as a conflict over natural
: resources and China's signal that it intends to fill a post-Cold War power



--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

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