HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sigrorn@icemark.oche.de (B.E.Heinen)
Reply-To: sigrorn@icemark.oche.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: WANTED! atari.el for GNUemacs18.57 (1857bin8.zoo from
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 14:04:32 MET
	<H.Z8pC_Yn&Lr_@icemark.oche.de>
Organization: The Icemark

In <1992Apr10.093423.17009@daimi.aau.dk>, Christian Lynbech writes:
>sigrorn@icemark.oche.de (B.E.Heinen) writes:
>Well, the file 1857bin8.zoo ONLY contains the files necessary for dumping an
>emacs. For actually using it, you really need the file 1857elisp.zoo (could be
>a letter wrong here, bear with my rusty memory) which contains the various
>modes and packages. It is huge and contains many files you probably never will
>need, but it is also very hard to tell what you NEVER will need, so I recommend
>you to download it. I will however mail you atari.el if you really needs it.

I already had downloaded:   1857bin8.zoo + 1857elis.zoo + 1857src8.zoo
but the atari.el wasn't in any of them...   ;-(

...but I got it via eMail from various people! Thanks to all of them!
 
  Benedikt

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Wise men profit more from fools than fools from wise men;
for the wise men shun the mistakes of the fools, but fools do not
imitate the successes of the wise.
  - Marcus Porcius Cato
From: strgh@warwick.ac.uk (J E H Shaw)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: C; `true' colour
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:35:22 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

1) Thanks to everyone who e-mailed me about timing for Lattice C,
   the vex_timv() example worked with the -v flag (stack checking
   turned off).  Also I was told about the 200Hz timer, and have
   looked at the Dlibs code - I may use that instead.

2) Both Lattice C and Prospero C are within epsilon of ANSI compatibility,
   though I don't think either have paid to be officially ANSI-checked.
   I am very happy with Lattice C v5.06, and I've just had a note from
   HiSoft about an imminent upgrade (v.5.5?).  I'd like to see a more
   C-friendly debugger and a make utility (though there are various PD
   makes).  People I know with Prospero C like its `workbench' integrated
   environment.
   [ Others will be more knowledgeable than me about C on the Atari, ]
   [ it's just that I hadn't seen anyone mention Lattice or Prospero ]

3) `True colour' is surely an exaggeration anyway - I believe that the
   perception of some colours (purples and purply-browns) simply CANNOT
   be reproduced by RGB mixtures.

        Ewart `Power without the Responsibility' Shaw
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From: krakover@spot.Colorado.EDU (KRAKOVER JONATHAN DA)
Subject: Emulators for the ST
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:55:36 GMT

	Firstly, I'd like to thanks all of you that send me a response about
emulators for the ST.  But all the information I got poses a second question.
I found that the current price of Spectre (Mac plus emulator) runs about 
$300-$400, but you can pick up a used Mac plus for $300-$400, is there
any advantage to having the emulator over the real Mac, except for
saving desk space?  The only one I can think of is that my ST hard drive
coundn't be used to store Mac programs as would the emulator would let
you do.  Or is there a way to use one hard drive for two computers?
				
				Thanks,
				Jonathan
				krakover@spot.colorado.edu
From: jvance@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Joachim Vance)
Subject: Re: GEMULATOR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Reply-To: jvance@ics.uci.edu (Joachim Vance)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 10 Apr 92 09:30:21 GMT

In article <H7HyiB2w164w@cyberden.uucp> moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>nelson@kodak.kodak.com (Bruce Nelson) writes:
>> Derek said it will sell for somewhere in the $300-$500 range and will
>> be announcing general availability within the next several months.
>
>???$300 - $500???
>
>This is gonna die fast and hard...

   If I didn't know better I'd actually think that some people are
slightly offended that the ST has been emulated on the 'x86 machines.
   Obviously, the GEMULATOR won't replace an ST/TT etc.  But it seems
to offer an option to those who have to use Clones (or want to) use ST
software.  For someone who uses an ST at home and a Clone at work,
this seems invaluable.  Or for the person who needs to use a piece of
ST software but wants to use it on a Clone...
   Many people run Mac and PC software on their ST because it is their
machine of choice.  Why shouldn't it be the other way around as well.
More compatibility amongst machines is a good thing IMHO.  This allows
more risk taking by computer manufacturers and better choice for
consumers.  I wouldn't buy a GEMULATOR, but that doesn't mean that
there aren't people that will.

   How did that quote go?  ..."Imitation is the sincerest form of
flattery"..?


--
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From: azog@thoth.rent.com (Billy D'Augustine)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: ZNET 9214 (REALLY LONG!, I mean it).
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:56:36 GMT
Organization: Cranial Construction Corp

weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Jeff Weiner) writes:

>This magazine, and others, are available from either atari.archive.umich.edu
>or via Greg's mailing list.  There is absolutely no reason
>that this needs to be or should have been posted to this newsgroup.

What is the address I should mail to so I can get on the mailing
list? I would like to start archiving this stuff (for my own
use), on my machine here. 

>weiner
>--
>Jeff Weiner  ----- Jeffrey.Weiner@umich.edu ----- Umich atari posse
>718 Arbor, Ann Arbor, MI 48104, +1 313 998 0829, near the Univ. of Michigan  
>Why yes, I do graduate on May 2, 1992 at ~12:00pm on Michigan Stadium's field... 
-- 
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From: volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt )
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: cs-tex
Keywords: cs-tex english
Date: 5 Apr 92 23:01:25 GMT
Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany

In article <1992Apr3.151900.1584@cbnewse.cb.att.com> hofmann@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.hofmann) writes:
>Is there an English translation to the cs-tex document(s)?

No, there isn't any.  If you wait for the next version, the english README
file will be somewhat more extensive than the last one, but that's it.  There
IS an english version of the shell, if you just play around you should figure
out most of it.

Sorry that I can't help you more than that.  If anyone sends me an english
translation of all or part of the docs, Christoph will be happy to include it
in the package.

-- Volker
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From: plate@cdsmn.mn.org (Doug Plate)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: What's A Fair Price for a Hard Disk?
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:42:47 GMT
Reply-To: plate@cdsmn.UUCP (Doug Plate)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dicomed Inc, Burnsville, MN.

To elaborate:

What's a fair price for a USED ~40Meg external SCSI hard disk?  I'm 
talking about the disk, bow, power supply, AdSCSI+ and cable? 

Thanks,
Doug Plate
From: steve@thelake.mn.org (Steve Yelvington)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: C for the ST
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:30:20 GMT

[In article <1992Apr14.153856.9253@cs.unca.edu>,
     mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes ... ]

 > Sozobon C (is version 2.0 the up-to-the-minute latest?) is
 > really nice, and since it's free you can't complain!

It isn't really the latest; 1.33i was released a little bit after
2.0. The 2.0 version is a revision from the original authors that
adds an extended object module format, allowing arbitrarily long
external identifier names. The 1.33i version is based on 1.2 but
significantly enhanced and debugged. I think 1.33i is a much better
setup, even at the expense of the limits on the length of external
identifiers. It's more reliable, faster, optimizes better, is easier
to set up, and runs from the Desktop as well as from a command 
interpreter. It also has significant (to me, anyway) extensions
to the preprocessor borrowed from the ANSI standard.

 ---
 Steve Yelvington              Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota, USA 
 steve@thelake.mn.org          umn-cs!thelake!steve 
Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:7442 comp.sys.atari.st.tech:2726
From: bgilbert@cs.washington.edu (Benjamin Gilbert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Word Processors
Keywords: word processor dtp
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:27:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: beaver.1992Apr14.102756.10825
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <12159@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> twright@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tom Wright) writes:
>
>  I've been looking for a decent word processor for my ST.  Right now I'm still
>using (gasp!) ST-Writer and it's okay, but I'd like to get something better.  
>I'm a real fan of Microsoft Word for the Mac, so something similar would be 
>nice.
>  Features I would want are:  automatic footnoting, style sheets or equivalent,
>ability to import graphics and flow text, variety of font sizes and styles,
>and Postscript-to-disk output.
>  Note that I DON'T want a page-layout program, just a word processor.  I read
>a review of 1st Word Plus some time back and it seemed to have most of these
>features.  Can anyone comment?  Plug your favorite program, here's your chance.
>

Well, from what I've seen the new WordFlair II from Goldleaf looks to be a 
very high-quality program loaded with features.  It does most of the things
you mentioned, importing all sorts of graphics, FSM/GDOS fonts, in addition
to graphing/database/spreadsheet type functions built in to the program.
(check Atari Explorer September 1991 for a review).    Goldleaf looks to be
a strong supporter of Atari, and the review in Atari Explorer was very
favorable.  One point you mentioned was Postscript-to-disk ability... this
seems like a strange function for a word processor, seems like if you
want postscript you *DO* want a Desktop Publishing program (Pagestream would
do this for you).  For all I know, Wordflair II might do this but I don't
know one way or the other?  I don't think this is a common word 
processor function, on other computers either, although like I alluded to,
Wordflair II is much more than a simple word processor.

If your price range is a bit lower, First Word Plus also has most of the
features, also look for some cool new programs coming out, such as :
	Write ON  (or is it Write NOW???) -- from Compo Software
	That's Write -- from Compo software (Germany) -- look for it soon
		in the U.S. market.
	Composcript -- this is a "Postscript interpreter" maybe you could
		look into this...


As you can see, there are lots of fine products available in the DTP/
Word Processing area, in contrast to what *some* people have been saying.

:-)

P.S.  Myself I have Word Writer, it is a basic word processor but I only
have a 9-pin printer so DTP is a little out of my domain for a while anyway.

**********************************************************************
Ben Gilbert
bgilbert@cs.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
Subject: Re: FALCON excerpt from ZNET9214
Organization: SAR Systems Development & Processing, JPL
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 03:43:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.154431.9692@exu.ericsson.se> exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague) writes:
>Wait a minute--wasn't the Falcon/Sparrow supposed to be
>a game system?  That's the impression I got from the net.
>I wasn't expecting another entry in the ST line of computers.
>
>That aside, why the heck did they go with TOS compatibility?
>They had the chance to break free and do things RIGHT.  Not
>that TOS was total garbage, but it is of the age that gave
>birth to MS-DOS.  I'm surprised that Atari has chosen to
>stick with this route.

Well, it's not plain-old TOS any more, it's TOS with MiNT
extensions. It sounds to me like it'll be a pretty good
system, especially good for porting BSD Unix apps.
>
>From what I've seen of the ST world, it is very
>fragmented.  Some software is monochrome monitor only,
>some color only.  Some machines have blitters.  Some
>machines have enhanced graphics and sound.  TOS comes
>in both vanilla and Rainbow flavors.  And so on.  A
>fresh start would have been nice--I'm hoping Atari isn't
>overly concerned with backward compatibility.

None of the above-mentioned things really have anything to do with backward
compatibility or revision levels of anything. Machines with a blitter are
still driven by the same graphics calls as machines without. Machines with
monochrome displays are driven by the same routines as color, etc... 
-- 
  -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
From: vince@sci.kun.nl (Sander RM Stoks)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: mega ste price
Date: 10 Apr 92 11:04:05 GMT
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
To: Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz

In article <1992Apr9.093336.1081@actrix.gen.nz> you write:
>> [stuff about price and speed of Mega STe's deleted]
>Please tell me what is the point off all this..??
>If you don't have software for these so call faster machines..??

What?! I'm very sorry but I just can't let this pass. I thought it's
the quality of software that counts, not the quantity. So maybe
there's not as much software for the ST as for MS-DOS, but I just
don't like the non-standard user interface of all these different DOS
programs. I mean, you can learn the basics of ANY GEM program in just
a few moments. If you  don't like it, just point in the File menu and
select the last option, Quit by default. Now on a PC. You're in some
obscure program and want to get out. F10? Nope. F7? Nope. ESC? Nope.
^C? Nope. ^Q? Nope. CTRL-ALT-DEL? Ahhhh, yes. In the meantime you've
made quite a mess (as F10 meant "format all harddisks", F7 meant
"ERASE *.*" (which can't do much harm after the format, but you get my
point.)) Even the HELP key's not standard, let alone UNDO. I'd trade
WordPerfect 8.5 for First Word + any time.

Okay, so Windows has more colors than GEM and it looks fancier. It
should, as GEM is age-old. You know what? I'm buying the first PC with
Windows in ROM, the day it's made standard and all programs run on it.

Didn't mean to insult you or something, but I just HAD to react on
this. It's rather a hasty posting, so you'll probably find some untrue
thing in the above to flame me on. Good luck.

>-- 
>***  Roger W. Sheppard      *      Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz  ***
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Sander SToks
vince@pomeron.sci.kun.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mats@netcom.com (Mats Wichmann)
Subject: Atari UNIX, VME, Ethernet, etc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 20:25:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer) writes:

>	Hasn't anyone made a bus-expander?  I remember hearing (many moons
>ago) that it shouldn't be too hard to design/build an extended bus (ie. 
>extra connectors/slots) but that because of the way the VME was implemented
>it would not support bus-master cards.  I should think that this would be a 
>rather popular (=customer demand) item considering it could be used in TTs and
>MegaSTes, not to mention any new machines that Atari comes out with (it 
>doesn't look like VME will be phased out any time soon).  Who wants to get
>stuck with the stock video?  Who wants to have to decide between 1024x768x24bit
>color and an ethernet connection - a truly miserable choice (but I wish I had 
>that choice :).  

There's at least one company in Germany that repackages the TT board into
a box of their own design, that includes a 4-slot 3U VME cardcage.
The drivers one the board won't handle more than that, and you still get
onlt A24/D16.  It looks awfully industrial, not the sort of thing I'd
like on my desktop, but, hey, if you need more slots...(I had forgotten
all about this when I made my original reply).

>>... but it you know of a good SCSI Ethernet, I'd
>>be intereted in hearing details. ... I know there was a
>>company doing such a device for Macs (in Utah?), but I never did get
>>any more info on them.

>	The company, Asante, builds Mac SCSI-ethernet cards. I am sure there
>are other companies, but this is only one I know of (and have the address of).
>Their address & phone number is:
>	Asante' Technologies, 404 Tasman Dr., Sunnyvale, CA 94089
>1-800-662-9686

The company I had been thinking of was Dayna; their phone number - I think -
is 801-531-0600 (the address I was given was 50 South Main, Salt Lake Ciy
Utah 84144).  I never got any further info on this, though.

Now...does anyone have details on either the Asante or Dayna SCSi Ethernet
product? Performance, price, etc?
-- 
Mats Wichmann
Systems Software Consultant
alruna!mats@ossi.com (or mats@netcom.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Subject: Re: Gemulator
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:34:54 GMT

>
>>  PC Ditto ... runs at about 10% the speed of an IBM XT,
>
>In non-graphics-intensive situations, I would say that it was more like 60%
>the speed of an IBM XT.

I ran several tests using PC-Ditto, some speed test as well, it was then
1 Mhz XT speed.  Even using 60% of an XT speed is unbearable (if it was
true to be 60%), because the XT's them self are awfully slow!  I, unfortunately
had to use one of these 4.77Mhz XT machines at the office.  Paging down and
up and spacing was almost an nightmare!

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: GROSSER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Grosser Martin)
Subject: HELP !!! FRANKIE-Virus and ALADIN
Organization: University of Ulm, FRG
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:41:46 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.21


Help !!! Help !!! Help !!!
Is there anyone using ALADIN 3.0 on the ST??

Is there anyone who has experience with the horrible FRANKIE virus-infection??
The FRANKIE virus begins his work after about 15 to 30 minutes.  There is a 
message: " Frankie says: no more piracy" and the system crashed. After that time
you usually changed a few discs and the virus is everywhere and you have to 
clean up the whole system.
Is there any ANTI-Virus for this bullshit FRANKIE-virus  on ST available.

please answer
martin
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: bgilbert@cs.washington.edu (Benjamin Gilbert)
Subject: Re: Toronto Atari show
Keywords: hard drive dvt vcr backup
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 20:37:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.164039.313@watmath.waterloo.edu> ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu (L. J. Dickey) writes:
>
> [ICD details deleted]
>
>When is someone going to develop the software to support the use of
>off-the-shelf video cassette recorders?  This stuff should not have to
>cost an arm and a leg.
>

Are you talking about hard drive backup software/hardware?  There is a 
product called DVT VCR which has been available for a long time at 
E. Arthur Brown in Minnesota which lets you back up your hard drivce to a
regular VCR.  It gives 20 megs/30 mins on the tape and claims to be
just as reliable...

>
>-- 
>Leroy J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, U of Waterloo, Canada  N2L 3G1
>Internet:      ljdickey@watmath.UWaterloo.ca
>               ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu
>UUCP:          ljdickey@watmath.UUCP


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: jtrimble@sdf.lonestar.org (John Trimble)
Subject: wordwriter disk writes
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:19:57 GMT


My wife and I write together, each using Timeworks WordWriter on 
separate ST's. We continually run into a problem which we haven't 
been able to nail down.  The problem only happens when we're working 
together, and after we've swapped disks, though often it is long 
enough later that we've forgotten exactly what steps we took with 
each swapped disk.   

We swap disks to look at/make changes to one another's pieces 
of the project.  Often, we have two disks working that have many 
of the same file names, though not necessarily completely 
identical files on each. Even files with exactly the same 
information could probably be on different segments of the disk.  

Sometimes, when we get going fast and furious on the same story, 
we wind up unable to save to one disk or another.  We get a 
message approximately like: "Cannot find file to write.  Check to 
see if disk is write protected or in place." It's in place, and 
it's not write protected, but viewed through Mutil, a disk 
utility, it does seem to have some parts of some files overlapping 
other files--more specifically the files we want to access or save 
to.

It's very aggravating.  

We have a theory which we've been unable to field test because 
the problem always seems to come up when we're writing fast and 
furious and swapping disks and saving so many times that day that 
we can't remember every step we took every time. 

Our theory is that somehow one or another of us does/has done a 
"Save" without first opening some file from the disk. (In 
WordWriter, "Save" doesn't give you a file selector, while "Save 
as..." and "Save as ASCII" do.)   We theorize that the computer 
doesn't know we've changed disks, and so it prints_to_disk where 
it "thinks" the file is supposed to be, i.e. where the file would 
be if we hadn't swapped disks.  

We have the "Save" habit from way back before we had two 
computers, so it's hard(impossible) to remember to use "Save 
as..." all the time. 

Does this sound like a plausible explanation for our trouble? Does 
anyone know of a desk accessory or such that forces the computer 
to always check the disk somehow before it prints a file to it, 
and to make sure that it (WordWriter program, the computer, or 
whatever) checks for more than just the file_name, but looks at 
sectors or tracks or whatever it is that keeps it from plopping 
the one file down on top of another?  

We only swap single-sided disks.  We don't have and can't afford a 
hard drive, (and not having it, we can't share it in case that's 
the solution you're going to suggest; thanks, but we've thought of 
B
it already.)

Thanks for any suggestions e-mailed to jtrimble@sdf.lonestar.org
If there are enough--or one that works--I'll post a summary.


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