HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Friday, 11 Sep 1992 18:58:52 EDT
From: never tell me the odds <3TANVOZ@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: re: VMS bot stuff

Okay, by now we all know you can write a bot in Unix, and in C in vms,
but here's another related question... is it possible to write a VMS bot
in REXX?  Seems to me that that'd be the easy way for generally
computer-language-illiterate people (like myself).

Come to think of it... I really would like an answer to this for myself...
I briefly had a bot in Unix, but now am chained to a VMS acct....

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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: question about /ON
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:29:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.180231.13423@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> a8jb@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (G. Youssef EE) writes:

>To prevent infinite loops within your script.  A solution is to use this:

Whether or not that is a solution depends on what you're trying to
solve -- if you want to create infinite loops, you've got a great
solution.

The real solution is to send NOTICEs when you're reacting to a
message, and to do nothing to react to a NOTICE. Then you can't even
get into complex ping-pong infinite loops.

Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: chaneysa@nextnet.csus.edu (Stephen A Chaney)
Subject: #hack and #twilight_zone
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:12:42 GMT


Something is seriously wrong with some of the people who dwell on IRC.

For instance, in my trying to find out what is wrong with my recently
found Fido program. 

First of all, no one wanted to tell me the name of the program. Then,
when I was told and pulled it out with Archie, it compiled and now it
produces this error when I created the needed .fido file: 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
fido: bad line in .fido: chaneys@athena.ecs.csus.edu 

Mon Sep 14 11:05 <<<<<<<<< uts386 is down (20w3d22h8m)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I thought I created the .fido file the way it was supposed to be
created. Then I compiled it. When it failed, I deleted the .fido 
file and then compiled it, then recreated it, I got the same error all
over again. 

I went and POLITELY (read: NICELY WITHOUT BEING UGLY) asked about this
problem, and I got this from #twilight_zone: 

"Fido sucks." 

I went to #hack, on the advice ofd friends, and got this: 

"You have been kicked off of #hack by Nyte_PhD" 

"No one is going to answer your question."
"Give it up." 



In neither case did anyone think it necessary to help me get this
.fido file problem fixed, yet I personally know of at least 2 or 3 IRC
dwellers who have a Fido-like program that detects me when I log on.


In my opinion, IRC is rapidly becoming a sad joke. Unless you're God
and you built UNIX, it seems these people on IRC cannot do something
as simple as give you ADVICE on how to get a program running. They
seem to have this "shoot IRC newbies and ask no questions" mentality
that I thought was over in high school. 


Unless I've run into the exceptions to the rule, I'd like to advise
anyone who reads this, NOT to go to IRC for anything resembling
questions. They're a pack of stuck-up, self-conceited "I'm on PMS today 
and everyday" assholes. 

'nuff said. 


Standard Disclaimer. 
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: nevs@cs.tu-berlin.de (Sven Goldt)
Subject: Re: server bug being misused
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:03:51 GMT


Hi wolfi,
improve your bot !
Bann by adress,detect use of server bug (easy),make use of the server bug
for your own security ! 

Greets, Sven
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From: lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: String values for user@host ?
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:15:52 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


	Hello, fellow IRCers !

	I have a small problem that only those of your obvious wisdom
 and compassion can solve. The problem is this:

	You know how $N will expand to your nickname ?

	Is there a $string that will expand to the person's user@host id ?

	Or , better yet a $string that expands to user and another for @host ?


		Thanks for any help
		(either post on alt.irc or mail to my address)

			Mac.

-- 
         "When you have eliminated the possible, whatever remains, 
         however improbable, must be the TRUTH !" Sherlock Holmes.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: bwatkins@nyx.cs.du.edu (The God of all machines)
Subject: Re: "Gender Flags" -- for lack of a better term.
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 03:33:16 GMT


One of the beauties of IRC is that you can't bring your old
prejudices (you call them sociology, which is as good a way as
any of inpugning sociology) with you.  you must make your
judgements about somone in realtime based on completely objective criteria
(unless that person's machine does not let him change his
realname field, which won't change much anyway).  IT's
a truly interesting and wonderfull aspect, and if somone wishes to
announce personal information, he can do it by saying it or
putting it in the realname field (realname should reveal a hint
of your personality or interests, not your name - my philosophy).
From: gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: James Madison server
Date: 12 Sep 92 03:08:53 GMT
Organization: Department of Astronomy, University of Virginia

In article <1992Sep11.194411.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jmolinari@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

>	Anybody know when the JMU server will be back up?

When Tce finally figures out the inner meaning of inetd.conf? ;-)

Seriously, it will come back when JMU reboots that machine, which
could be a long time. Meanwhile, there are a billion servers you can
use instead.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: jnelson@iastate.edu (Jeremy F Nelson)
Subject: Re: FAQ(beginner IRC prog) Bots for vms system
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:42:07 GMT

Boy, unless you know something the rest of us dont, you CANT write a bot in VMS
because you dont have the load command.....
Sorry, but you need to find a U*IX account or something to start up a bot.
Also, you dont have any /on commands in VMS, and a bot without /on commmands
is pretty worthless.
Sorry.....
						Jeremy Nelson
						hop


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From: dinos@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Constantinos Kouroushiaklis (Dinos))
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: New to irc need a client source code.
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:51:18 GMT
Reply-To: dinos@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Constantinos Kouroushiaklis (Dinos))
Distribution: usa
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: dinos@dumbo.cc.utexas.edu


  Hi I have never joint irc but I would like to get the source code
for an irc client for unix (preferably), or ibm, or mac.  In addition
I would like to find out if there is any site where I can get a FAQ 
document with all the information needed by newcomers to the irc.
  I could probably be able to get it from an FTP site if I have the 
node number or name, and a username ie. anonymous and a password.

Thanks a lot
Dinos dinos@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: how to use a client ?
Organization: Aston University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:59:59 GMT

elahav@igc.apc.org (Eran Lahav) writes:
: 
: I got ircII
: How can I use it ?
: I just ftp it from cs.bu.edu and don't know how to use it.
: Please help.
: Eran.

You do the same as with any program, unbundle the archive.
Then read the instructions, they are usually to be found
in a file called README (or suchlike)

Or maybe you are trying to run a unix program on a mac??

Maybe you should contact someone at your site with a clue
about the machines you are using, and how to obtain 
software from the net.
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From: Eran Lahav <elahav@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Date: 09 Sep 92 09:31 PDT
Subject: Re: Beginner Q.
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1306500001:cdp:1306500002:000:893
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!elahav    Sep  9 09:31:00 1992


Thanks for all you help but Iit does not seem to be working...
This is the script I made trying to get in...
Let me know what is going wrong.
10X, Eran.
Script started on Wed Sep  9 09:28:39 1992
[1migc-1040>[m [;H[2J
[H*** Welcome to the Internet Relay Network, elahav[H

[24;1H
*** Your host is tolsun.oulu.fi, running version 2.7.1e+7msa2jto1

[A*** This server was created Fri Apr 24 1992 at 20:58:59 EET DST

[24;1H


*tolsun.oulu.fi* There are 631 users on 148 servers

[A*tolsun.oulu.fi* 71 users have connection to the twilight zone

[24;1H

[A*tolsun.oulu.fi* I have 2 clients and 1 servers

[24;1H

[A*tolsun.oulu.fi* MOTD - First ircd ever still up and running !

[24;1H

[24;1H
/join #isreal
[K

[24;1H
[K

[24;1H
[K

[24;1H
[K

[24;1H
[K








/join #hp48sx
[K







/bye
    
[17;1H






[1migc-1041>[m 
script done on Wed Sep  9 09:29:53 1992

Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: troy@cbme.unsw.EDU.AU (Troy Rollo)
Subject: Re: FAQ(beginner IRC prog) Bots for vms system
Organization: University of New South Wales
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 01:22:19 GMT

> The first irc bots predate IRC II and were not implemented using /on
> commands. A bot using the raw interface can be written on VMS about as
> easily as Unix (modulo all the bugs in VMS C... but I'd do it in
> VMS FORTRAN, natch.)
 
Bugger VMS C - use GNU C. C minus the bugs and the stupid DEC
"We'll invent our own C syntax because we're DEC and we're big"
syntax.
__________________________________________________________________________
troy@cbme.unsw.EDU.AU	Overworked, overcommited and always multitasking.
        Fine, so I'm an FOFH. Now shut up and don't complain.
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__________________________________________________________________________
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        Fine, so I'm an FOFH. Now shut up and don't complain.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: kavuri@centi.cs.umn.edu (Sakuntala Kavuri)
Subject: FAQ - Beginner
Summary: How to get an account?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 21:17:57 GMT


	Hi,
	I came to know about IRC very recently..
	Would somebody (e-mail) send me the details 
	as to how I would acquire an account, which ftp
	sites to access etc..?

	Naga
From: dawn@Cayman.COM (Dawn Mertzer)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Beginner Q.
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:52:02 GMT
Organization: Cayman Systems Inc., Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: elahav@igc.apc.org's message of 8 Sep 92 22:57:00 GMT


hi,

i'm very new to newsgroups and irc and would like to know if anyone can give me a couple of quick tips on how to access irc??

e-mail to dawn@cayman.com would be cool!!!

thanx
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From: wolfi@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Schwanke)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: server bug being misused
Date: 7 Sep 92 21:34:09 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Techn. University of Berlin, Germany

Hello all,

in the last couple of days some poeple have been trying to 'conquer' channel
#pvb, the one that goes on television, just in order to annoy us.

This time they succeeded, kicked everyone and made it +i. 

I am posting this cause I'm really angry right now, and I hope some irc-op
is reading this and helps us prevent from happening it again.

Here are parts of the logfile of the bot on #pvb:

*** JOIN activated by "bander #pvb"
*** bander has joined channel #pvb
*** Mode change "+o bander " on channel #pvb by IRC.SantaFe.edu
*** bander is bander@rever.NMSU.Edu (bander)
*** on channels: @#pvb @#zz 
*** Mode change "+i " on channel #pvb by bander
*** on irc via server IRC.SantaFe.edu (Santa Fe Institute)
*** bander has been kicked off channel #pvb by wolfi

first try - no luck this time (happened sunday)


*** JOIN activated by "vintner #pvb"
*** vintner has joined channel #pvb
*** vintner is has0ate@cabell.vcu.edu (Todd Emerson )
*** on channels: #pvb #hotsex #vintner 
*** on irc via server poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (University of Virginia 2.7.1f)
*** Mode change "+o vintner " on channel #pvb by informatik.uni-oldenburg.de
*** Signoff: vintner (informatik.uni-oldenburg.de)

Just testing I guess.


*** JOIN activated by "bander #pvb"
*** bander has joined channel #pvb
*** Mode change "+o bander " on channel #pvb by IRC.SantaFe.edu
*** bander is bander@rever.NMSU.Edu (bander)
*** on channels: @#pvb @#1 
*** on irc via server IRC.SantaFe.edu (Santa Fe Institute)
*** Mode change "-o bander " on channel #pvb by wolfi
*** Mode change "-oo wolfi pvbBot " on channel #pvb by bander

Hmm, remis.


*** JOIN activated by "ugaronin #pvb"
*** ugaronin has joined channel #pvb
*** Mode change "+o ugaronin " on channel #pvb by IRC.SantaFe.edu
*** ugaronin is ugaronin@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (!id Gene Aronin)
*** on channels: @#pvb @#1 
*** on irc via server IRC.SantaFe.edu (Santa Fe Institute)
*** Mode change "-o pvbBot " on channel #pvb by ugaronin
*** You have been kicked off channel #pvb by ugaronin

Then followed the kick of everyone else. Until we could find someone who
would kill them. (Thanks)

Banning those guys is useless, they have many different accounts.
And opening another channel is not possible, cause the guest account of
PVB uses the #pvb channel by default.

Any other idea for help?

Thank you,

wolfi

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From: elahav@igc.apc.org (Eran Lahav)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Only join doesn't work ?
Date: 12 Sep 92 05:19:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1306500004:000:339
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!elahav    Sep 11 22:19:00 1992


Hi,
Thanks for your message about irc.
But I am still unable to join a channel.
I can do /list and /users and /who
but when I do /join or /channel I always get the
message "unknown command (CHANNEL)". I am using
something called tolsun.oulu.fi
Can you please tell me what is wrong and how 
I might be able to solve it ?
Thanks,
Eran Lahav
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: morale@rs6110.ecs.rpi.edu (Enrique Morales)
Subject: Re: FAQ(beginner IRC prog) Bots for vms system
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:27:08 GMT

mshaughn@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Shaughnessy) writes:

>#########################################################################
>##
>Michael Shaughnessy                            "I shall neither say never
>  
>University of Dayton                            nor ever, for anything
>Internet: shaughmr@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu       is possible"
>Bitnet:   shaughmr@dayton
>Denver University                " Die Tueren und die Nelken..Ahhhhhh"
>Internet: mshaughn@nyx.cs.du.edu
>
>Hello
>I am looking for any and ALL info concerning bots for a vms sytem. As i am
>a beginner and have No info regarding the instalation of bots, i am open
>to the most simple instruction and am eager to see the most complicated
>source code. I apologize if people are flooding this group with Bot
>related questions, but i just subscribed today. PLease send all bot info
>or bot sourcecode to either adress. Am looking for vms bots and how to
>install, run them etc.

>thanks 
>Mike Shaughnessy
>Dirk

I've been ircing for a year (and change) now. I still don't know why someone would want a bot. Except maybe for instructional purposes(ie a bot with irc info). If anyone could help me with this without hitting the flame or rudeness button. I'd be very interested in hearing what answers come up.

Enrique
aka Juggler(ircnick)
From: elahav@igc.apc.org (Eran Lahav)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: how to use a client ?
Date: 11 Sep 92 04:09:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1306500003:000:109
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!elahav    Sep 10 21:09:00 1992


I got ircII
How can I use it ?
I just ftp it from cs.bu.edu and don't know how to use it.
Please help.
Eran.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed)
Subject: Re: server bug being misused (how is a bug SUPPOSED to be used?)
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date:  9 Sep 92 21:50:50 GMT

doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell) writes:

>dougmc@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Doug McLaren) writes:
>: In article <1992Sep7.223842.29975@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> spencer@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (ForHire-Confidential) writes:
>: 
>: This is not just a problem with this server, but with most < 2.7.2g.
>: 
>And it didn't help that a server maintainer, in a (vain) effort to con-
>vince server-ops to upgrade, announced the bug to the entire newsgroup.

>Really... I appreciate the effort they put in to improve the servers, but
>actions like that lessen my appreciation somewhat...

Server maintiners knew well before the announcement what the problem was
and I tried to convey a sense of urgency with respect too applying the
patch but it seems that it in many cases it was a fruitless effort for
whatever reason(s).

I dont think security by obscurity works because what does happen is you
have a small group who know all the bugs and can exploit them when they
feel like, giving them an unfair advantage over others.

avalon.
From: owhite@nmsu.edu (smouldering dog)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: question about /ON
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:32:53 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Computing Research Lab

why does the /ON command change the output of /SEND?
if I type in 
/ON MSG * /SEND send a message

it prints an output on the channel that is different than if 
/SEND send a message
is simply typed in.

if I was on channel #challupa and had the nick Child

result of first case....
-Child:#challupa- send a message 

result of second case....
<Child> send a message

how can I make the /ON command look like the second case?

thanks
--
owen white

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From: lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: #hack and #twilight_zone
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:42:52 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Sep15.110745.18761@fwi.uva.nl> bosman@fwi.uva.nl (Dr.D) writes:
>adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) writes:
>
>>lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee) wrote :
>>> fast decline to hell.  Grow up and act like human beings.
>>>
>>>  (this is not directed at all IRC operators. There are some good ones left.
>>>    TRILLIAN, STAHLE ,WIZARD, JUMPJOE, CRAHN and CYBERMAGE  leap to mine and 
>>>    a FEW others.) 
>
>>Looks like a list full of recent ircopers to me, except maybe one or
>>two. And it's apparent that you dont know any of these opers. Take
>>that whichever way you want.
>>later.
>
>I was wondering the same...except for trillian...who ARE these people? :))

	Maybe the fact that you do not know them just shows how little
 you help people on irc. Those people I named because I had either been 
 helped, or seen them help numerous people.  Those IRC operators help to
 preserve the integrity if IRC, and help to eduacte the average IRC user.
 Unlike all those other ops who just sit in #twilight_zone like some kind
 of Gods that sit above in shadow and only speak long enough to act 
 arrogant.

 (this excludes server/client coders, since they do do a boat load of work)

		

-- 
         "When you have eliminated the possible, whatever remains, 
         however improbable, must be the TRUTH !" Sherlock Holmes.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar)
Subject: Re: IRC TELNET SITES WANTED
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 13:08:16 GMT

tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar) writes:
:   If you telnet to port 6668, no login is required, just have to enter the
: nickname you wish.
:   Anyhow, connections are allowed currently only for hosts from european
: top level domains. This can be changed, anyhow, even if I do not find it
: reasonable - as far as I know there should be telnet irc clients in the
: U.S. and Australia...


  OK, OK,... I have changed it... The daemon is now open, so anybody can connect
it using
  telnet ircserver.itc.univie.ac.at 6668

  Be sure, that in case of any kind of misuse it will be closed again...

								Tom
From: lcm1501@hertz.njit.edu (Lawrence C. Mc Abee)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: IRC operators: All bad ? (Silek apologizes to some)
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:39:09 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.


	Hello.  

	Well, first let me thank each and every person who sent me such 
charming e-mail. Second, let me say something I either did not make clear
 or failed to say (and thanks scorpio for pointing this out). Not all 
 operators are bad. Some (perhaps 55% ?) are helpful. Perhaps I should have
 pointed out only bad operators I knew instead of lumping almost all operators
 in a group.  
	The thing is, the bad operators overshadow the good ones.  It is 
 an unfortunate thing. I will say this to any operators I may have offended,
 IF I was wrong, I apologize. I know operators exists that are very helpful.
  But to the ones I know are bad, I would refer you to my first post on this 
 subject.

    (p.s. Anyone interested in getting a "Top 20 Worst Operators " List?)

				Later,
-- 
         "When you have eliminated the possible, whatever remains, 
         however improbable, must be the TRUTH !" Sherlock Holmes.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: jmolinari@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: James Madison server
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:44:11 GMT

	Anybody know when the JMU server will be back up?

Newsgroups: alt.irc