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From:         AMBLY@CLUST1.CLEMSON.EDU
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Peter and Michelle:

I agree with both of you.  I've only seen the film on video, but I still
felt its impact.  The environment the film depicts is worlds away from
the middle class black neighborhood I grew up in, but I still felt the
problems these young men experienced were mine.  As when I see any film
about the plight of African Americans growing up in poverty-stricken,
drug- and violence-infested environments, I had two reactions.  First, I
felt guilty that my life was so charmed, and second I felt relieved that
even though I too grew up in a single-parent household, my mother pushed
me to be all I could be, as they say in the Army.  This movie reaffirmed
what I know to be true and gave me a glimpse into the flipside of my life
That experience was scary and entertaining.  Thumps up, Mr. Singleton!

Adrian
Clemson
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 11:33:56 EDT
From:         "George V. Chastain" <U0E53@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Law & Order

On 08/31/92 at 12:00:43 John Smyth said:
>Was 'The Ox-Bow Incident' about ranchers who executed three men
>for cattle-rustling, only to find their verdict called into
>question by one of their own men ? Was that lone dissenter
>Henry Fonda, or am I confusing that role with Fonda's part
>in 'Twelve Angry Men' ?

THE OX-BOW INCIDENT is essentially as you described it -- though
Fonda isn't the only one in the group who disagrees with the lynching.
He does take a strong stand, though, and I believe he tries to stop
the proceedings at gunpoint but is overpowered.  The innocence of the
victims is proven just minutes after it's too late.  A very powerful
indictment of mob "justice."

George Chastain -- WVNET, Morgantown, West Virginia
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 10:06:56 PDT
From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      Coen Brothers

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Cinema": Coen Brothers

A recent post re TRULY MADLY DEEPLY from Fintan had a subject header
of "Coen Brothers."  I don't think the Coens had anything to do with
this movie.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

Jennifer

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Subject: The Law in Movies
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:34:52 GMT
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You people are SERIOUS moviegoers.  I haven't even heard of, much less
seen, many of the films mentioned on this topic.  It is definitely
a film education belonging to this list.

Thanks to Doris, Gayle, John, Michel, Ray, Mary, Fintan, Jennifer,
Milton, Rick, Mike, Jerry, Anita, Ellen, Joan, Will, Joe, Ricardo,
et al., for contributing to this discussion on the law in movies.

You mean there was never a Hollywood treatment of Perry Mason?  Hmmm,
I wonder why?

Though I was primarily interested in movies with trial scenes, we got
a wide variety of contributions.  Here is the list:

A Fish Called Wanda
Absence of Malice
Accused, The
Act of Murder, An
Adam's Rib
All That Money Can Buy
Anatomy of a Murder
And Justice For All
Bonfire of the Vanities
Breaker Morant
Caine Mutiny, The
Class Action
Compulsion
Court Martial of Billy Mitchell
Criminal Justice
Criminal Law
Dance With a Stranger
Flight of the Navigator
From the Hip
Ghostbusters II
I Want to Live
Informer, The
Inherit the Wind
JFK
Jagged Edge
Jesus of Nazareth
Judgment at Nuremburg
Kramer vs. Kramer
L'Aveu
Legal Eagles
Leopold and Loeb (?)
Let 'em Have It
Madame X
Miracle on 34th Street
Music Box, The
My Cousin Vinny
My Favorite Wife
New Jack City
Nuts
Oklahoma
Paths of Glory
Patriot Games
Postman Always Rings Twice, The
Presumed Innocent
Reversal of Fortune
Section Speciale
Side Out
Star Chamber, The
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Stir Crazy
Suspect
To Kill a Mockingbird
Trial, The
Twelve Angry Men
Untouchables, The
Verdict, The
Where's Poppa
Witness For the Prosecution

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>Wasn't there a Barbara Streisand comedy (w/Ryan O'Neal?) where
>everybody ends up in a courtroom at the end and the judge is trying to
>decipher all the events?  Hilariously funny, I seem to remember.
>--George

	Yeah, I thought _Nuts_ was hysterical, too.

-scott
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Subject: Follow-up to ....Question
Keywords: cinema, Gremlins 2
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:45:59 GMT


In article <CINEMA-L%92090220295622@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>  writes:
> From: acclis@hofstra.bitnet (PSI-HAWK MASTER OF THE MIND AND THE SOUL.)
> Subject: Gremlins 2...Question....
> 
> I know it wasn't the greatest movie, but did anyone out there see  
Gemlins 2...
> The Next Batch....?
>    I have seen it more than once, and only remember seeing one scene one  
of
> the times I have seen it....There is one scene where the Gremlins ruin  
the
> movie, and the screen goes blank...then Hulk Hogan tells the Gremlins to  
behave
>  and the movie continues....
>                Am I insane or did that scene actually only exist on  
cable...?
>                             Larry.......
>                                     ..........aka
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Hi,
	What's up? This question was probably posted long ago, but the  
Hulk Hogan scene did show up in the theathers (at least the two I saw it  
in.)

Chris Seawood				seawoocl@rose-hulman.edu
RHIT						Terre Haute, IN
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 08:51:36 PDT
From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      The law in movies

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Cinema": The law in movies

ADAM'S RIB (Tracy & Hepburn) springs to mind.  Jennifer

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From:         Penny Ward <UNCPEW@UNC.BITNET>
Subject:      Delicatessen

I've seen _Delicatessen_ and give it my highest recommendation.
For such a bleak setting--a war-torn, post-apocalyptic town where
to cannibalism to stay alive--it has an amazingly light touch.
Dark humor, wonderful characters; even the opening credits are
fun. (If someone on the list can tell me what other movies this
this director has made, I'd like to know!)

Rather hard to describe, but definitely worth seeing.

--Penny
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:39:00 EDT
From:         "Peter J. Schledorn" <UNCPJS@UNC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: T&L

> Liam,
>
> You keep coming up with these hilarious quotes from Edmund Blackadder.
> Just who is the Blackadder and can we Yanks get to see him in the
> States?

I know that the series (or at least part of it) has been on public TV
in New York.  According to a recent newspaper article, all four parts
have been released by CBS/Fox (eight tapes, three episodes per tape).
Prices are $15-$20 per.  I'm looking forward to getting some.

Best,
Peter

> j-man
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From:         John Smyth <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      INTOLERANCE

The film 'INTOLERANCE' (dir.Griffiths;1916) was on TV on
Sunday. It's an amazing movie. The scenes of the
seige of Babylon are spectacular and are hardly
rivalled by such epics as Ben-Hur, especially as
Ben-Hur made more use of models.

I have a couple of questions about the movie :
Some of the battle scenes are fairly violent, even
by today's standards (i.e. soldiers being beheaded, stabbed
etc.). How was this violence received by audiences in 1916 ?
Also, the TV version is heavily vignetted, i.e. the image
is only visible in the centre of the screen. Is this a result
of copying the original to a more modern format, or did the original
look the same ?
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From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Basic Instinct

Re: Basic Instinct
Ellen,
In keeping with my thrifty and procrastinating tendencies,
I haven't seen Basic Instinct yet.  The only reason I will
when it comes out on video is to see what all the fuss is
about.  My 18 year old sister saw it and basically told
me what you said about people following bizarre logic to
conclude that lesbians must be murderers.  I'm about 10
years older than her, and I tend to shock more easily
than her when I see movies, so I imagine I would have
harbored some ill feeling, kind of in the same way I did
when I saw T&L.  What I mean is, my personal ideology may
get in the way of assessing the movie as a movie.  On the
other hand, I heard that as a thriller, it wasn't too
good.

BTW, did you happen to see Saturday Night Live with Sharon
Stone?  She of course used some Basic Instinct inside jokes
in her opening monologue, during which there were
apparently some protesters escorted out of the audience.
Gauging by the "inside jokes" she made, it didn't seem
like the movie was very good, or maybe it was just that
the remainder of the audience felt somewhat guilty --
there wasn't much laughter.  On a side note, I have to
ask what's up with Michael Douglas?  He seems to be on
a real "take-my-clothes-off" kick in all his recent movies.
He (IMO of course) is the male analog to Debra Winger.
(I can't stand her either, Ellen.)

--Anjani
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Subject:      Re: THE ABYSS

>               State University of New York at Stony Brook
>                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-8121
>
>                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
>                                            Department of Neurology, HSC
>                                            516 444-1469
>                                            31-Aug-1992 01:57pm EDT
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>
>SUBJECT: THE ABYSS
>
>    I should have remembered this logical title considering that the depths
>    reached in this one were far below those in THE DEEP. ;-)
>
>    >The movie with Ed Harris and Michael Biehn is The Abyss,
>    >probably the worst movie James Cameron has made.This movie
>    >certainly explored the limits of an audiences' credulity
>    >
>    >                          John Smyth.
>
>    Though it hardly qualifies as masterpiece, I liked it as a good piece
>    of entertainment with some creative ideas and special effects. And I
>    don't think it stretched the limits of credulity more than most any SF
>    movie.
>
>    MICHEL
>
I did not enjoy the movie which in unfortunate because I
did enjoy the movie until the last twenty minutes.
It made a badly calculated transition of being a
ALIENS/TERMINATOR 2 type action/suspense movie to a
CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND/2001 SPACE ODDESY type
of "gee whiz what are the possibilities of other life"
kind of thing (which is fine if that is what the whole
first half of the movie would have been about).
The net result (no put intended) was confusion over
what the film was suppose to be about. (IMHO)


Joe Daus  U of MO-COlumbia
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From: MKERBEL@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Michael)
Subject: Re: Films about Frontiers
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 12:18:39 EDT

DRUMS ALONG THE MOHAWK (1939) - settling the frontier of Western NY during
Amer. Revolution.  Director: John Ford
 
Many westerns would qualify, so I guess it comes down to which are one's
favorites.  Among the many important westerns about frontiers:
THE SEARCHERS (1956)
SHE WORE A YELLOW RIBBON (1949)
MY DARLING CLEMENTINE (1946)
WAGONMASTER (1950)
(All of the above were directed by John Ford)
 
ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST (1969) -- Sergio Leone
MCCABE AND MRS. MILLER (1971) -- Robert Altman
RED RIVER (1948) -- Howard Hawks
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From:         Ray Hamel <RHAMEL@MACC.WISC.EDU>
Subject:      Inherit the Wind

        There were two versions of INHERIT THE WIND, but Henry
Fonda wasn't in either.
        The 1960 film starred Fredric March and Spencer Tracy.
There was a recent tv-movie remake, but I don't remember the stars --
I'll guess Kirk Douglas and Jason Robards.

Ray Hamel
University of Wisconsin
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From:         Currie Thompson <cthompso@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU>
Subject:      RE:Unforgiven

In Message Sun, 30 Aug 1992 13:45:45 EDT,
  Gayle Gleason <ST402486%BROWNVM.BITNET@PSUVM.PSU.E writes:

>  I saw Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven this weekend.  Two thumbs up from me.
   From me too.
> Oh, if you're queesy about violence let me add:  Terminator is more
> violent....The violence in Unforgiven is not included to get boxoffice
> bucks, but rather to depict a violent group of people in a violent
> 'frontier'.  And this is one of the few movies where we see how the
> violence affects the characters mentally and emotionally.
     I agree.  In fact, I went to this film thinking I would enjoy it, as I
have previous Eastwood westerns, but not expecting to be nearly as pleased
with it as I was.  I thought the movie's portrayal of violence was realistic
and I was pleased to see it show the impact of violence on the characters.
I was also pleased to see it avoid moralalizing stereotypes.
> I hope Eastwood gets a best director monination.  And this could easily
> get the best picture oscar nomination as well.
     What gets nominated for the Oscar and why remains a mystery to me, but
I agree that this is a very deserving movie.  Perhaps the best American
film I have seen in the last twelve months.
Currie Thompson
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Subject:      Re: Mosquito Coast

Subj:   Mosquito Coast

>I saw "Mosquito Coast" this weekend and thought it was
>terrific.  I was very impressed by Harrison Ford in
>this role.  (I mention this because a while ago, I
>posted something to this list about how he'd make
>an ideal candidate for the Bland Leading Men (PABLM)
>Hall of Fame.  This movie makes me retract that opinion.)
>
>--Anjani

Harrison Ford is underrated as an actor.  He suffers from over exposure
in too many over hyped, highly profitable movies, and thus incurs the wrath
of those who watch his films but assuage their conscience by reducing him
to a more humble station.  (see Kevin Costner)

His work in "Witness" and Roman Polanski's "Frantic" should demonstrate
to his detractors that there's more to the man than Star Wars or
Indiana Jones.

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From:         Michelle Lehman <MICHELLE@ORTTA.UMN.EDU>
Subject:      Re: gremlins 2

{stuff deleted}

> If you've never seen this movie before, and you're in need of a laugh, watch
 it
> just to LOOK at the gremlins and what they get into.  The original Gremlins
 was
> pretty funny, too, but the second one takes the cake, just for the "gremlin
> interview" scene (another favorite scene is where the gremlins start singing
> and dancing to the song "New York New York").  Pretty mindless fare, but
> amusing nonetheless.  I find that sometimes I don't want to be intellectually
> challenged by a movie, only entertained.  If you're in one of those moods, see
> Gremlins 2.  Any other Gremlins (1 or 2) fans out there?  Or won't anyone else
> admit it?
>
> Anita
> Penn State

I agree with you Anita bout sometimes not wanting to be
intellectually challenged by a movie (I know sometimes I need it). :)
Yes, I'm a Gremlins (1 & 2) fan too.


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Michelle Lehman                                 michelle@ortta.umn.edu
University of Minnesota                                Minneapolis, MN
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John Smyth raises the issue of of the violence associated with trafficking -
Although this is not directly related to cinema I remember the moment when I
concluded that drugs were just not worth it - My local Public Radio station
played the tape of the Federal Drug agent being tortured and murdered in
Mexico - It was a truly horrible and eye opening experience.
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:01:00 EDT
From:         FARQUHAR@SNYSYRV1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: TRUST

  Hal Hartly's (only?) film before TRUST was a film called
THE UNBELIEVABLE TRUTH, and it stared many of the same actors and
actresses that were in TRUST.  I feel that THE UNBELIEVABLE TRUTH was a
better film than TRUST, it felt that TRUST was trying to achieve
a similar feel to TUT but sfor some reason was unable to. Although the
actors are the same the characters they play are different (especially
the female lead!)
  All in all TRUST is a good movie, but if you like it you MUST go out
and rent THE UNBELIEVABLE TRUTH! I can't wait for the next Hal Hartley
film, he is a unique and interesting voice in cinema!

Sean "Doc Syracuse" Farquharson
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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     26-Aug-1992 11:14am DST
                                        From:     Ellen L. Gfroehrer
                                                  ELGFROEHRER
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Subject: Re; Sex

Joan:

Yes, that is exactly what I meant.  I am so pleased that someone understood
what I was trying to say.  I was beginning to think I might be a candidate for
Joe (The Psychologist) Daus' couch. ;)  - Of course, I may still qualify...

Ellen
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From: MKERBEL@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Michael)
Subject: Re: INTOLERANCE
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 14:12:52 EDT

In article <01GODTEHL1LQ8Y67PC@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>
FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET writes:
 
>
>Michael, I'd forgotton about Griffith's often subtle use of masking as well as
>more obvious irising, etc--just looked at more of the film itself--and that
>really does explain John's vignetting better than any notion of variable print
>or transmission quality!  Sorry for the jumped conclusion.  Jeff Clark
 
>I assume that Griffith's masking is what he was referring to, but there's no
need to be sorry, because your explanation of tv's overscanning and the need
for "windowboxing" was excellent and everyone should know about it.  In general
I consider myself a pain-in-the-neck purist about what I see on video, but for
some reason overscanning never bothered me as much as seeing widescreen films
without letterboxing.  However, it should bother us that we are missing picture
information on the sides, top and bottom.-- Michael Kerbel
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                                        Date:     02-Sep-1992 11:12am DST
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Subject: RE: Films about Frontiers

Was the movie with Ed Harris "The Liviathon?"

Ellen
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