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From: GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes)
Subject: My final comment of cig,etc sponsorship
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 11:45:14 EST

To those who bemoan the devestating effect loss
of sponsorship would have on F1, etc. let me
remind you, as a grey beard who can remember
the days before the big bucks arrived, that
the end of sponsorship would hardly mean the
end of motorsport. While the trim and trappings
of the top echelon mich not have the same
lustre, there is plenty of motorsport that
thrives even today allo ver the world without
tobaccy bucks. Racing was around before
sponsorship and it will be around after too,
as long as there are cars, and men and women
who have the desire to test their skill behind
the wheel. There are even some, heretics and
luddites, who would tell you the racing was
BETTER before rampant commericialism :-))))
 
Greg Rickes, old enough to remember national
racing colours, NASCAR before there was a
Winston Cup, and racing cars without computers.
 
 
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From: hg798502@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Hugh Graham)
Subject: Re: French GP struck off! (plus...?)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:46:49 GMT
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

The airport at Monaco is in France, thus flying equipment in to the GP is
not possible, there is a Heliport in Monaco (The principality is
only about 460 acres). But in a united Europe without border controls,
what can the French do?


NEW RUMOURS

1) The Australian GP may be struck off for similar reasons.

2) Peugeot are ready to enter F1

3) Bridgestone will use the Firestone brand name when
   they enter F1 in '94.  (They bought Firestone in ~87)

Can anyone confirm any of these?

Hugh
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From: indy@immacc.prepnet.com (Dave Tartaglia)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Motorsports Betting
Date: 18 Dec 1992 12:56:27 -0600
Organization: 'Immaculata College, PA '
Distribution: usa
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Does anyone know if it is possible to place bets on auto racing anywhere?
Do any odds makers follow NASCAR, Indy or Formula One?

Gee, maybe if there was a line on the Daytona like Hialeah, we could get
some decent newspaper coverage! :^)
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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Re: F1 willians
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:01:19 GMT

mayor@bayes.ece.cmu.edu (Gilberto S. Mayor) writes:

>>The issue is that it has become clear that it takes a special and
>>seemingly different, tallent to excell in a car with active suspension.
>>The results of all uses and testing of active suspension F1 cars makes
>>it clear that some very fine drivers DO NOT have the required tallent.
>>The list to date of the does and don't is DO: Mansell, Hill; DON'T:
>>Senna, Patrese, Berger, Piquet.

>I have never known that Senna, Piquet or Berger,  have driven a
>latest generation active-suspension Willians.  Am I mistaken ?  


   Who cares? Senna has driven a REAL active car- the Lotus 99t. He drove
it to two wins.... I would say getting those wins with a new technology
shows that Senna can drive an active car. What do you think?

Cory 


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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Daytona 24Hours News
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:28:07 GMT

A few early team drivers lineups for
the Rolex 24 at Daytona, Jan 30-31:

AAR (2 cars): #99 - FangioII, Andy Wallace
and maybe David Loring.  #98 - PJ Jones,
Rocky Moran and Mark Dismore

Roush (2-3 cars): Tommy Kendall, Max Jones (?),
Robbie Buhl, Jim Stevens, Michael Dingman and
John Fergus

Gunnar 966 - Dennis Aase, Chip Hanauer and
Bobby Carradine

bob

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From: ulrich@canberra (Nathan Ulrich)
Subject: Hill faster than Prost (a possible explanation)
Reply-To: ulrich@canberra.whoi.edu
Organization: Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 02:38:50 GMT


A possible explanation for Damon Hill being significantly faster than Prost  
during last week's testing just occurred to me.

Prost has supported Hill for second driver at Williams.  And I'm sure he knew  
that a decision on the signing of Hill depended on his performance in testing.   
It would not be difficult nor necessarily hinder his acclimation process to  
just not go 10/10ths on his fastest laps.  He could still become familiar with  
the car and accomplish any tuning on the agenda.  But when the time came (I  
assume only for a short time) when he was asked to go all out, and when the  
conditions were optimum, he may have held back just a little, therefore helping  
assure that Hill would be signed as his co-driver.

Just a thought.

--
Nathan Ulrich
Deep Submergence Laboratory
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
ulrich@canberra.whoi.edu
From: jeff@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Freymueller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Williams F1
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:39:00 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <liq0tpINNgvf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
>From article <9212141434.AA00728@client47.comlab.ox.ac.uk>, by Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk:
>> 
>> Just announced that Damon Hill will be the second driver to Alain 
>> Prost on the Willaims Team.
>> 
>> I reckon he will be better than Prost and if he competes in all the races
>> may well end up with more points.
>> 
>> Alan
>
>Damon Hill is the front runner for the world championship in 93.  I
>think that Prost will have to struggle to be runner-up.
>
>Chris

Chris (and others), what makes you think that Damon will be regularly beating
Prost next year? Prost has 44 GP wins, and will be back in top shape by the
start of the season, as well as being accustomed to the car. Even if he is
starting to lose speed to age, I doubt his ability has dropped much yet.

Personally, I expect that even if Damon has more raw speed on some weekends
that Prost will generally come out on top in the race due to experience if
nothing else. Remember that Damon's F1 race experience consists of keeping
a slow Brabham out of trouble, which is much different than beating a 3-time
world champ in equal equipment!

Jeff

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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: French GP struck off!
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 20:25:25 GMT


In article <1992Dec12.171507.3864@midway.uchicago.edu>,
jacquier@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Eric Jacquier ) writes:

[about the court ruling fining Team Williams]
|>
|>This ruling is about sure to be struck down.

I would hope so, but, until the appeals run their course, it remains in effect.

|> The new law is indeed very strict
|>for events taking place INSIDE France, but it also explicitly allows TV's to
|>broadcast sporting events with tobacco advertising that take place OUTSIDE
|>France.

Unfortunately, there is no such exception in the law.  It says no TV broadcast
of sporting events with tobacco advertising, period.  FISA just asked the
French parliament to amend the law to allow broadcast of such events taking
place outside France, but the parliament refused.  In fact, it is that refusal
to amend the law that prompted the cancellation of the French GP.
 
|>Also, as someone also said before, FISA's canning the French GP, has nothing to
|>do with truck drivers or farmers.

Yes.

|>This said, it's indeed strange why the idea of running the French GP with the
|>letters (Marlboro, etc...) did not come up openly as an alternative, if it's
|>already done somewhere else.

It did come up as an alternative.  The intent of the French law is to keep
tobacco companies from advertising at sporting events.  The authors of the law
clearly were aware of the survey done, where, after the British GP, most
people were completely unaware that the McLaren cars didn't say "Marlboro" on
them--the red-and-white chevron colors were just as effective (maybe even more
so) than the name "Marlboro".  So if the intent of the law really is to
prevent the advertising, just deleting the letters isn't enough.  You have to
ban all of the company's trademarks from appearing.

--PSW
From: dyhec@westminster.ac.uk (Jon Roch-berry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Hill faster than Prost (a possible explanation)
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:10:11 GMT
Organization: University of Westminster

In article <1992Dec17.023850.17378@netnews.whoi.edu> ulrich@canberra.whoi.edu writes:
>
>A possible explanation for Damon Hill being significantly faster than Prost  
>during last week's testing just occurred to me.

[stuff deleted]
>
>assume only for a short time) when he was asked to go all out, and when the  
>conditions were optimum, he may have held back just a little, therefore helping  
>assure that Hill would be signed as his co-driver.

That sounds depressingly plausible.  Prost is that kind of person.



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From: Larry.Turvy@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Larry Turvy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Radios to listen to the Pit Crews - GOBs
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:14:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

I am interested in buying a radio so that I can listen in on the pit crews 
during a Winston Cup Race.  At this point I don't even know what frequencies 
they use.  I believe my needs are few, a unit that can store perhaps ten 
channels.  Can anyone help me?

Thanks
LT

Bill Elliot in '93
From: smithr@teecs.UUCP (Robert Smith)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:42:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Senna to Penske?
Organization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

Gerald Olchowy writes "What have you got against Canadians?" to which
Robert J. Unlglenieks replies "They keep sending those crappy winter
storms..."

Its a fair trade for the acisd rain; and WE didn't invent pink flamoplastic
flamoingoes either.  :-)

Bob.
From: tomh@wes.on.ca (Tom Haapanen)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: D. Hill vs A. Prost <-> Mi. Andretti vs. A Senna
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:54:11 GMT
Organization: Waterloo Engineering Software

marcink@quantum.carleton.ca (Marcin Kolbuszewski) writes:
> A discussion "D. Hill vs A. Prost"  - who is better inspired
> me to ask a question, maybe even flame...
> Michael Andretti tested [1993 spec but Honda engined] McLaren in Barcelona
> and got half a second behind Senna's qualifying time in 1992 spec car.I 
> think that it is quite quick - for a first test...

Don't forget, though, that Mikey's time was over a second behind JJ Lehto's
in the 1993-spec Sauber (with a 1992 Ilmor engine) ...

[ \tom haapanen    "i don't even know what street canada is on" -- al capone ]
[ tomh@wes.on.ca                   "trust the programmer" -- ansi c standard ]
[ waterloo engineering software      "to thine own self be true" -- polonius ]
From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1: Hill gets Williams drive!
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:51:53 GMT
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH


In article <BzB8nx.4ty@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
|>
|>.....just curious about something.  Seems to me that the
|>Damon Hill announcement (at least here) has garnered more
|>discussion than the Mears' retirement announced last week.
|>
|>Imo, the latter news had much more significance.

Welcome to the world motor sport perspective, as opposed to the US perspective.
F1 is second only to World Cup Football as a worldwide spectator sport.
In contrast, IndyCar is mainly of US interest only, and even in the US, it is
a distant second to NASCAR.  "Rick who?" is the response you'll get in most
of the world if you mention Mears's retirement, whereas just about every motor
racing fan outside the US will know that Damon Hill is Graham Hill's son and
the test driver for Williams.

--PSW
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: F1: Hill gets Williams drive!
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:33:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.205731.29089@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> marti@inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti) writes:
>Let me just remind you that Rick Mears tested a Brabham-Ford BT49
>back in the early eighties, achieving faster times than a certain
>Nelson Piquet, then Brabham's #1 driver and three times F1 World
>Champion.  A certain Bernie Ecclestone, then proprietor of Brabham,
>offered Mears a drive as Brabham's #2 in F1.  However, Mears decided
>to stay with Penske in CART/IndyCars.
>
Also (but might be a bit of apples to oranges) Mears had lodged
IndyCar wins at Brands Hatch ('78) and Mexico City ('80,'81).
					   
					   bob
From: johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Dominic Dobson gets ride (Indy)
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:23:37 CST
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Dominic Dobson will race for engineer John Dick's Proformance team in 5 west
coast races plus Indianapolis next year.. they will  use Michael Andretti's '91
Lola..


John Liskey
johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us
From: tim@deakin.OZ.AU (Tim Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: IndyCar .GIF's
Date: 15 Dec 1992 12:54:26 +1100
Organization: Deakin University
NNTP-Posting-Host: mimas.cc.deakin.oz.au

kyp@stsci.edu (Mark Kyprianou,PA386,x4193,ADD.2.6.92) writes:
>
> Isn't there an ftp site for F1 GIF's?  Maybe it could be expanded in
> scope to include the Indy GIF's.
>
> Does anyone know the ftp site and directory?


The host you are probably thinking of is rana.cc.deakin.oz.au, which
contains motorsport images in its "pub/F1/pics" directory.  The images
I got from Robert Glover can be found in "pub/F1/pics/Glover".
From: apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Williams sign Hill
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:08:30 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

CEEFAX 361  Mon 14 Dec  17:03/58
MOTOR SPORT: WILLIAMS    
SIGN HILL
   
Damon Hill will take Nigel       
Mansell's place in the Williams  
team in next year's Formula One  
world championship.              
                                 
The 32-year-old son of double    
world champion Graham Hill was   
confirmed as Alain Prost's teammate
by team boss Frank Williams.     
                                 
Hill said: "This is an opportunity 
I have worked for and I would like 
to thank Frank Williams and the  
team for putting their faith in me"
                                 
Williams said: "I am very happy to 
repay him for his efforts."      
 
Damon Hill said he was thrilled to 
take Nigel Mansell's place in the
Williams team and was looking    
forward to the challenge next year.
                                 
"It is a quite incredible car with 
an incredible suspension and the 
speed seems as if you're flying."
                                 
He went on: "My guiding light has
been the story of how my father  
made it from nothing and never had 
any help from anyone.            
                                 
"I know the pressures, and I don't 
expect to be seen as the next    
Mansell, but the first Damon Hill."
                                 
---Andrew


   Information Systems Group    EMail:     apayton@acorn.co.uk
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From: marcink@quantum.carleton.ca (Marcin Kolbuszewski)
Subject: Eric Walter's Ass.
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 14:04:53 GMT

Could someone please send me, or post the address of
Eric Walters Associates? - or the address of the company
distributing Racecar Engineering.

Thanks 

Marcin
From: unglenie@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: IndyCars:  Rick Mears retires! (If you didn't already know)
Date: 11 Dec 92 04:47:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: noose.1992Dec11.044719.10424
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

My newsreader is acting up today so if you've already heard this forgive me.

At the Penske Christmas party, Rick Mears announced his retirement from
competitive racing.  The 41 year old, 4 time Indy 500 winner, will remain
at Penske in a testing/consulting position and will work with Fittipaldi and
Tracy in development.  Only Roger Penske and Chris Mears knew of the decision
before the announcement.

Now for the speculation.... is Tracy going to Bettenhausen?  If Paul does,
there is an open spot at Penske.  Does that mean a certain F1 glamour boy
moves in?  Does Tracy stay at Penske?  Better get your resumes updated and
send them out ASAP!  Will Rick form his own team with Penske help?  You've
gotta love the silly season!

Good luck, Rick......


Rob U
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From: johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us (John Liskey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Indy news tidbits
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:44:10 CST
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

I dropped by the Dale Coyne Racing shops tonight and talked to team manager
Bernie Myers for awhile..

  - Eric Bachelart will be back for sure, definately with sponsor Mi-Jack, and
probably with '92 Lola-Chevy A's. He should be running the full season. A
second car deal is still being worked on..

  - Also interesting... last week in Chicago numerous teams turned out to seek
sponsorship from Marmon, who has expressed a strong interest in Indycar
racing.. yes, this is Marmon as in the Marmon Wasp that Ray Hourron used to win
the first indy 500. I guess Marmon own like 70 other companies and is a billion
dollar company. The thing that interested me most was that Al Unser, Sr. was
present with a Menard team car, looking to get a full-time deal. Bernie said
he's not sure but Scott Goodyear looked to be "in" for Marmon's money.

John Liskey
johnl@amiganet.chi.il.us
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From: ribeiro@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Romeo Ribeiro)
Subject: Trivia Question
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 08:03:07 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

	1987:
	What was the fastest american production car in this year?
	(all stock).


	Hints:                          

	11.3 seconds 1/4 of mile.
	It weighted over 3000 Lbs.
	Four passenger car.



				ANSWER:
				   











		The BUICK Grand National X.
		Also known as GNX.
		V6 Turbo Charged 3.8 SFI
		They were all black and only 500 of them
		were ever built.












 
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From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Subject: Re: AARWBA All-America Driver Nominees
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: 16 Dec 1992 10:05 EST  

In article <BzBttA.9Lw@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes...
>The ballots are out for for AARWBA (American
>Auto Racing Writers and Broadcasters Assn)
>1992 Auto Racing All-America Team.  The
>nominees are:

>Short Track:  Mike Eddy, Jeff Fuller, Junior Hanley,
>Steve Kinser, Bill Sedgwick, Robbie Stanley

What knucklehead put Kinser in the same category as Eddy, Hanley, & 
Sedgwick?  WoO cars are open wheel - Steve Kinser & Sammy Swindell should 
have been in the Open Wheel category!  :-) :-) :-)

>My votes?  Rahal/Kulwicki/Johnstone/Pedregon/Kinser/Hoerr

Agree.  Under the circumstances ;-)

JD

Let's see here, the engine is a Buick, the chassis was made in Beaverton, 
MI, and it has a fiberglass body over the top.  Yep, I'd call it a Pontiac 
Grand Prix...
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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: French GP struck off!
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:39:36 GMT


In article <1992Dec10.163709.13117@news.mentorg.com>,
mbutts@mbutts.mentorg.com (Mike Butts) writes:
|>
|>No French GP?  No home GP for Prost and Renault?  Inconceivable.  This is 
|>called FISA politics, right?

No this is called French politics.  A French court has found Team Williams
guilty of violating the no tobacco advertising law and has fined them several
million (US$ value), because the cars bore Camel advertising in the Australian
GP and French television showed Williams cars when it broadcast the race.
I don't see where a French court has jurisdiction over what a British company
does on Australian soil, but there it is.  If Team Williams set foot in
France, their equipment could be impounded to pay the fine.  Because there is
no guarantee that this sort of thing won't happen, FISA have cancelled the race.

--PSW
From: brims@bnkl01.astro.ucla.edu (George Brims)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Williams F1
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:32:36 GMT
Organization: UCLA Dept of Astronomy

In article <liq0tpINNgvf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael) writes:
>From article <9212141434.AA00728@client47.comlab.ox.ac.uk>, by Alan.Crowder@prg.oxford.ac.uk:
>Damon Hill is the front runner for the world championship in 93.  I
>think that Prost will have to struggle to be runner-up.
>
>Chris

I think this could be a very interesting pairing. Hill is very probably capable
(at least to start with) of getting faster laps out of the Williams machinery.
Prost on the other hand is a vastly more experienced racer. Barring the
dreaded "team orders" (note to that Bernie chappie - ban those for the good
of the sport) they might well do each other out of the championship. That
will also depend on how good the McL, Benetton etc cars are, and whether
any one of those guys can dominate the rest. How many more boring days
until the season starts?

George Brims
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From: ah179@yfn.ysu.edu (Brian Wilson)
Subject: Re: F1: Hill gets Williams drive!
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:56:28 GMT




Article 23636 of rec.autos.sport:
>Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: F1: Hill gets Williams drive!
Originator: kevinh@arcturus
Reply-To: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:39:51 GMT


In article <BzB8nx.4ty@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes:
|> Maybe for my Xmas present this damn machine will start
|> working again......
|> 
|> .....just curious about something.  Seems to me that the
|> Damon Hill announcement (at least here) has garnered more
|> discussion than the Mears' retirement announced last week.


Mears? Mears? Who's he?? Ohh - a NASCAR driver, that explains 
it. C'mon, this is an international forum, not some tin pot
old dinosaur racecar club :-).

|> -bob-  

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Mears is an IndyCar driver.  He is in a three-waay tie for the 
most Indianapolis 500 victories.  He has at least three IndyCar
championships to his credit.  He was offered a seat with Brabham
in the early eighties, but he decided to stay with what he loved
most - the most competitive form of top-level open-wheel racing:
American IndyCars.
-- 

Brian Wilson....           Not from the Beach Boys!
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