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From: jetfuel@babbage.csus.edu (Dave Jenks)
Subject: Re: R.M.C. Desert Island Quiz #2
Keywords: deserted island, tapes/cd's, batteries, etc...
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:35:21 GMT


>Question 1: You have a choice of up to 10 albums that you can have
>with you when you get to the island. What are your choices for music
>that you "just gotta have" with you?

>	Artist or Group			Album		
	--------------------------------------------------------
1.	Amy Grant			Lead Me On
2.	Amy Grant			The Collection
3.	Amy Grant			Heart in Motion
4.	Kim Hill			Brave Heart
5.	Kim Hill			Talk About Life
6.	Sandi Patti			The Finest Moments
7.	Tangerine Dream			Underwater Sunlight
8.	Mannheim Steamroller		Fresh Aire V
9.	Moody Blues			Days of Future Past
10.

>Question 2: After about five years, you find out (via a letter in a bottle)
>that you can get a hold of new albums from 10 artists or groups of your choice;
>which artists would you want to catch up on?

>	Artist
	--------------------------------------------------------
1.	Amy Grant
2.	Kim Hill
3.	Michael W. Smith

Can't think of any more!

>Question 3: A box washes up on shore with 5 albums, each of which has the 
>best music of the career of one artist or group. If you had a choice, which 
>artist or group would you choose?

1.	Amy Grant
2.	Kim Hill
3.	Sandi Patti
4.	Michael W. Smith
5.	Steven Curtis Chapman

>Question 4: After a few more years, you get the chance to hear two
>groups in concert as their boat passes close by the island ( yes,
>its a really busy island :-) ); who would you want to hear and what songs 
>would you want them to play?

1.	Amy Grant
2.	Kim Hill

Am I *that* predictable?!?

--Dave+
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From: gregu@penguin.ocgy.ubc.ca (Greg Unrau)
Subject: Seventy Seven's
Keywords: All Fall Down
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:31:40 GMT

 Out of complete curiousity, I would like to know if "All Fall Down"
is off the new album "Pray uh.. Naked". If so has there been wide
distribution as of yet of the album? 

ecnavda ni sknaht

Greg. 


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario)
Subject: RE: Need a Scripture Reference
Reply-To: candel@crchh572.bnr.ca (Dave Candelario)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:04:02 GMT

The only references I have found were the ones in Isa. 14:12 and Eze. 28:12 and 
neither of those two say anything in particular concerning music.  They both 
make references to satan being the anointed cherub when he was known as lucifer.
I seem to recall that the name lucifer means light-bearer (I could be completely
and totally wrong though) and that may have some connotation in hebrew with 
music/worship.

Regards,

Dave
From: gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:38:05 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Aug13.190608.3130@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> ogden_jon@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com writes:
-In article <65867@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6223b@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray)
-writes:
->In article <1992Aug13.024631.9307@doe.utoronto.ca> peter@doe.utoronto.ca
-(Peter Mielke) writes:
-> 
-> About 2 months ago i went to Bill Gothard's Basic Principles Seminar
-> (i forget the actual name).
-
-> Anyhow i went to see what he had to say
-> about music (i had gone about ten years ago and was not too impressed
-> by what he had to say then). This time i was even more ticked off by
-> what he had to say.

Just to straighten things out, Peter was the one who went to the seminar, not
me.  I just followed up to his post.  The above lines were written by Peter,
but the attribution got screwed up somewhere.

Don't want anyone to get the wrong idea ;-)

JRjr
-- 
'Hear the tale of a fallen people, destined to wander their broken land.
Their eyes are vacant, full of empty meaning, and what they're missing they
just don't understand.  Beyond the dark horizon, out where the people are
crying, a Morningstar will be rising, rising to show us the way...' Whiteheart
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jpersons@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John C Persons)
Subject: Re: AMY AMY AMY AMY AMY AMY AMY AMY AMY AMY
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:04:50 GMT


>>How about a Kill file, like /Amy/h:j?
>
> Should I take this personally ? :) :)
>
> Amy B.
>
Of course.  Didn't you know?  Everyone takes everything
personally on this newsgroup!  :-)


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice)
Subject: Re: Falwell, Ankerberg, Walter Martin...
Organization: University of North Texas
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 03:04:30 GMT

In <satoell.920815200239@eng.auburn.edu> satoell@eng.auburn.edu (Ellen Ayumi Sato) writes:


>Could anybody tell me who Jerry Falwell, John Ankeberg, and Walter Martin are?
>I've heard their names a number of times, but haven't read any book they've
>written, watched them on TV, or heard them preaching/teaching.  Do they have 
>anything to do with Liberty University, the Christian Research Institute, etc?

Jerry Falwell is most definitely associated with Liberty University.  He
founded it back in 1973 as Lynchburg Baptist College in Lynchburg, VA.  In
1976, the name was changed to Liberty Baptist College.  In May, 1985, LBC
had another name change to Liberty University.

Jerry has been the pastor of the Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg
since he founded it on June 21, 1956, in the Mountain View Elementary
School.  That first service consisted of 35 adults and their children.
At the first anniversary service on June 23, 1957, there were 864 in
attendance.

Jerry is most noted as the founder of the Moral Majority and is a very
vocal opponent of pornography, homosexuality, and abortion.

--
Keith Rice
drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu

Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: sco@aero.org (Stacey C. O'Brien)
Subject: Re: Do We Need a New newsgroup? (was Re: Those Nasty Fundamentalists)
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 06:59:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.202234.11040@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.144317.22359@meaddata.com> mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries) writes:
>>
>  all sorts of stuff deleted.
>
>  to all the previous posts on this thread: yes, yes, yes.
>
>  I won't re-iterate all the points in detail, but the evangelical v. other
>  distinction in r.m.c and s.r.c, the threading of not-nuts-and-bolts
>  music stuff in this group, the spontaniety (sp) of an unmoderated group, 
>  etc. i all agree with. 
>
>  the options, as i see it (in decending order of preference)
>  1) keep things as they are. allow threads to get off the track. i like
>     the group of people here.

I agree with John, though that's probably painfully obvious ;-) . Why mess
with it? Of course, I'm not real big on legalism and tend to have a rather
free-wheeling style - I admit. My room is REALLY messy too ;-) But anyways,
I like the spontenaity of this group (sp?)...

>  2) add a group s.r.evangelical
>  3) add a group s.r.arts
>
>  Someone posted a note about a musical presentation, and asked where
>  the appropriate group to post it in would be. my answer: here!
>  make sure you limit distribution (in this case, to "oh").
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>john r la plante                    calling from the Ohio State University
>jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  political analysis done while you wait

         --Stacey

PS: I've met some great people through this group and made some good 
friends in all this!  :-)


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: dgk@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: re: R.M.C. Desert Island Quiz #2
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:23:58 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

OK here is my lot.......

>Question 1: You have a choice of up to 10 albums that you can have
>with you when you get to the island. What are your choices for music
>that you "just gotta have" with you?  This music can be any genre and
>any artist in the last, say 100 years. Your choices don't have to be
>in order of preference and need to include artist (s) and album title.
>
>		Artist or Group			Album		
>1. Pink Floyd - Final Cut                           
>2. Stryper - Against the Law                          
>3. Queen - Greatest II                          
>4. Daniel Amos - Horrendous Disc                          
>5. Bride - Fool me Once??                         
>6. Steve Taylor - I predict 1990                          
>7. Larry Norman - In Another Land                          
>8. Larry Norman - Bootleg                          
>9. Larry Norman - Stop this Flight                          
>10. Ozzy Osbourne - No More Tears                         
>
>
>Question 2: After about five years, you find out (via a letter in a bottle)
>that you can get a hold of new albums from 10 artists or groups of your choice;
>which artists would you want to catch up on?
>
>		Artist
>
>1. Larry Norman                         6. Deliverance
>2. Stryper                              7. Michael Sweet
>3. Bride                                8. Barren Cross
>4. Kings X                              9. Pink Floyd
>5. DC Talk                              10. Amy Grant
>
>Question 3: A box washes up on shore with 5 albums, each of which has the 
>best music of the career of one artist or group. If you had a choice, which 
>artist or group would you choose?
>
>1. Larry Norman        
>2. Stryper        
>3. Bride        
>4. Pink Floyd        
>5. Whitecross        
>
>
>Question 4: After a few more years, you get the chance to hear two
>groups in concert as their boat passes close by the island ( yes,
>its a really busy island :-) ); who would you want to hear and what songs 
>would you want them to play?
>
>
>1. Bride - Under the Influence
>2. Stryper - All of them.....
>

David King
University of Waikato
NEW ZEALAND
dgk@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com>
Subject: The Call and A Band Called David
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:55:56 GMT
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


Well I thought I might attempt to put this issue to rest since I brought it up.

According to folk with the discs (How The West Was One, To The Bride),
the complete list of members of A Band Called David over its life were:

		Herb Melton
		Jack Kelly
		Richard Souther
		Rick Azin
		Paul Offenbacher
		Gene Gunnels

The interesting thing to me is that I do recognize one name:  Richard Souther.
Known for his new-age/instrumental-synth music these days.

The Call over their lifetime is/has been:

	Scott Musick
	Jim Goodwin
	Tom Ferrier
	Michael Been
	Greg Freeman

I'd say in summary, that as usual, I had my facts wrong. ;-)

Thanks to those who sent me information and supported this actual
christian-music related article.  We now return you to your regularly
scheduled Amy broadcast.
--
Tom (moeller@convex.com)
	Does he look like Robert DeNiro with them big long fingernails?
           Why Is The Devil Red? / Lost Dogs / Scenic Routes
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Is music amoral??
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 14:15:11 GMT

In article <drice.714123075@ponder> drice@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Keith Rice) writes:
>While we're on the subject of backward messages, I pose another question
>for discussion.  Why do we only hear of satanic messages in secular rock
>music and never hear Godly messages when the songs are played in reverse?

Simple!  There is a strong "Christian lobby" that WANTS to find
satanic conspiracy.  They want to feel that God is being challenged,
and want to defend Him (or more specifically, their feeling of
importance as Christian leaders).  The "satanic messages" just becomes
another "argument" that the evil rock musicians really ARE evil.

In reality, if "satanic messages" were TRULY a big thing, so also
should be "Godly messages."  But if you, as a Christian, go on
Geraldo, and tell America that you've found backmasked messages of "I
love my sweet Jesus" on some Michael W. Smith album, would anybody
care?  (Would you get on Geraldo?)

In fact, people would be likely to get suspicious, and think "Oh,
backmasking!  He must be doing something evil."  When Petra did
something like this in the song "Judas Kiss" (Approximately: "Why are
you looking for Satan when you should be looking for the Lord?"), they
got some bad press because "Backmasking --> Evil Secret Message."

Really, the TRUE opposite to the "satanic messages" would be for
Satanists to do some technical tests on Christian albums, and find
secret messages like "Jesus loves you."  This would, of course be
totally boring, because the album probably says that FORWARDS as well.
Any hidden "Godly message" would be boring to the public at large,
whether they be the people that read People magazine, or the people
that watch <Insert.fave.Christian.Broadcast>.  And THOSE are the
people that pay to hear the sensational news.
-- 
Christopher Browne
cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca
University of Ottawa
Master of System Science Program
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: abney@scivax.stsci.edu
Subject: re: Steve Camp - Fire and Ice
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:26:34 GMT

Hi!
These are the words to FIRE and ICE as best as I can remember them (they
aren't printed in the label).

	I was messin' around with the things from my old life.
	I didn't think it could hurt me
	Just a litte seemed alright.
	But the wages of sin
	Eat like a cancer within
	They crippled my faith, 
	Till I was hard against Him.

	Now I know that 

Chorus:	Fire and Ice
	Darkness and light
	Can never live together.
	It's day or its night
	It's wrong or it's right
	One way or the other.
	In my life.

	Television will tell you doin' anything is good for you.
	But I found out the hard way
	That the sayin' isn't true.
	The facts still remain
	The truth doesn't change
	The word of God is alive 	
	To show us the way

	Now I know that

	Chorus	

	
It's a great song, but I think my favorite from that album is
Upon this Rock.  This is one my favorite all time albums from
any artist.

				--Faith
From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Do We Need a New newsgroup? (was Re: Those Nasty Fundamentalists)
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:58:46 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <Bsxs42.MoE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jmrg9881@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) writes:
>How about soc.religion.christian.evangelical, with no moderator?
>
>Seems like the folks that hang around r.m.c. tend to be evangelicals;
>that may account for the difference of "flavor" with s.r.c.


"Evangelical" is one of these words that seems to mean all things to
all people.  It is also used differently in different countries -
here in the UK it is certainly used much more broadly than it seems to
be in the States.  In German it just means "protestant" (well more or
less, with apologies to any "Evangelische Kirche" folk out there) 

This makes it a bad word to use on an international board.

alisonjw
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante)
Subject: Re: Those Nasty Fundamentalists (was Re: People is not America)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 16:20:23 GMT


One thing i must comment on. It's been said that fundamentalists are people
who (among other things) interpret the bible literally. As someone well
trained in biblical hermenutics from a fundamentalist perspective, I 
most comment on this. It's true, but not entirely.

I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion about the proper hermenutic.
I just want to quote from one of America's great fundamentalist theologians
about one aspect of biblical interpretation:

  At the opposite end of hte spectrum from "pure" or consistent allegorical
  interpretation stands literal interpretation. Since the word "literal"
  has connotations which are either misunderstood or subjectively
  understood, labels like "plain" or "normal" serve more acceptly.
  "Literally" is assumed to preclude figures of speech, etc.
  (which is not the case).  

 _Basic Theology: A Popular Systematic Guide to Understanding Biblica
  Truth_, Charles C. Ryerie (Victor Books).


Literal interpretation does recognize figures of speech. For example, when
Jesus says he would gather jerusalem as a mother bird would gather her
offspring, he is not saying that he has feathers and wings. To acknowledge
that is not to deny literal interpretation as a general princile, but to
say that "obvious" exceptions to the face value of the word is accepted. 

This post has raised more questions than it has answered, I realize. I don't
mean to get into a discussion on the merits of various methods of biblica
interpretation. But I just had to inject a warning as to what the
term "literal" does not mean.
From: jsharp@axion.bt.co.uk (Jonathan Sharp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: TANGENT: I would like some terms explained.
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:48:54 GMT
Organization: BT Laboratories

In article <1992Aug18.170957.24141@spider.co.uk>, alisonjw@spider.co.uk
(Alison J Wyld) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug18.153753.7289@cas.org> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W.
|> Virden) writes:
|> >:
|> >:
|> >:Evangelical:
|> >:
|> >:-- I know that the verb "to evangelize" has a similar meaning to
|> the verb
|> >:"to preach."
|> >:
|> >
|> >This is a label tagged to those churchs which put a primary emphasis
|> on
|> >the scriptures of Christ telling his discipes to go into all the
|> world
|> >and make disciples.........
|> >
|> >Again, I do not know what a church emphasising something other than
|> the
|> >sharing of the gospel would be labeled.
|> >
|> 
|> Either this is a difference in UK/US usage or you're not quite right
|> here.

I think you are right in suggesting that there is a difference between
UK and US usage of this expression or though I would beg to differ with the
definition you give below.  There is a body in the UK called the Evangelical
Alliance which acts as a banner for evangelical churches in this country
and acts primarily as a Christian voice on social and political issues,
and also to encourage chuches in sharing together and sharing the gospel.
It has personal membership but also whole church memberships and covers
a very wide range of denominations eg..

Methodist, Baptist, Church of England as well as many pentecostal churches,
Free Churches and so on.  

Each church has to sign its agreement with the EA's statement of faith
which if anyone is interested I can post at some time.  It may give you more
of and idea what Evangelicals here think they believe....

I think in the UK the term seems to be more
inclusive than in the US where the term seems to be equated to "conservative".
The origins of the expression are of course the same as the word evangelism
and it does mean "Good News"

|> 
|> What you describe above is "evangelism" not "evangelicalism".
|> Evangelicals (mostly) are distinguished by their relience on scripture
|> (rather than tradition, for example).  They are often quite
|> intellectually oriented, and there's a lot of emphasis on Bible study
|> and prayer.  
|> 
|> Alison W.

Like wise the term "Charismatic" simply means "spirit" or "of the spirit"
and is usually used in the respect of spiritual gifts.  There is a sense
therefore in which all chistians are "Charismatic" (-: as it the presence of
Him in our lives, and the evidence of His fruit which is the sign of a 
Christian.) The word "charisma" of course has the same root but is
normally used in a secular sense of a strong personality.


Personally I must be a Reformed Fundumental Charismatic with Evangelical
tendancies....

Jonathan Sharp

"In the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Ghost... take that!..
 ... I mean Amen!" C.S. Lewis, Perelandra.
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: yag@eng.umd.edu (Eric Funk)
Subject: new T-Bone album?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 21:38:39 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: yag@ee22.eng.umd.edu


I think that there is a new T-Bone album out, the local progressive
station has been playing ``tear the building down'' in light rotation.
Anyone with more details or reviews?
-- 
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From: tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth)
Subject: Re: KKKKKKK Tonio K KKKKKKK
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 05:17:01 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.174617.13282@wdl.loral.com> trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort) writes:
>Here's another interpretation puzzle for everyone....
>
>For those familiar with Tonio K's album "Romeo Unchained"
>(a stupendous album IMHO), this line (approximately) comes 
>from the song "You don't belong here":
>
>   They cracked the code and surrounded the building at dawn,
>   But but they had disappeared mysteriously.
>   Meanwhile, the war rages on.
>
>This line has always seemd out of place in this song and I
>was wondering if anyone knew what it was supposed to be
>saying and what it has to do with the rest of the song: someone
>trying to get another out of a grungy, self-destructive life on
>the streets.
>
Actually, I NEVER took the song to literally/primarily be about life on
the streets, i.e. runaways, homeless, etc.  In context with the rest of
the album and with the interaction of the male and female characters in
the song it seems to be using the streets as a metaphorical background
for the larger, deeper picture of some one finding out "who the king of
the world really was" and leaving behind a dysfunctional relationship
and lifestyle.  

Tonio is great with imagery like the above text that creates a wonderful
mood and evokes something that isn't easily catagorized or put in a box.
I mean, what was all that "He was impressing the <insert nationality>"
stuff?   Could it be about the rapture?  The song is definitely talking
about someone being saved and removed from an unhealthy relationship and
environment and takes on all kinds of stuff on different levels.

Does it strike any one else here as cool that he hasn't had an album
released in about 5 years, but Tonio K. still has us chewing on his
music?

Enjoy Transcendental Ice Hockey,
Michael T.

>-- Tim
>


Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: wgorlitz@wiz.outb.wimsey.bc.ca (Walter Gorlitz)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: new MWS release info
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:38:20 PDT
Organization: Wizard Online

A while ago someone asked about the new MWS release.  Official word is that it will be out Friday, Aug. 28, at least in Canada and US.  The CDs should be out at the same time as cassettes.  You can go to your music (read Christian book) store and place an advance order in Canada (can't say about the US).  The tilte is _Change_Your_World_.   Sorry, no song titles as of yet.
 
walter

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