HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (JLE)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Orthadox Judaism and women
Date: 11 Jan 1993 12:03:00 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

In article <1993Jan11.011848.9260@netcom.com> horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923) writes:
>In article <4912@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan10.025405.26766@netcom.com> horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923) writes:
>>>
>>>anything but autobiographical. If so, perhaps you should
>>>find a better group of Orthodox Jewish males.
>>
>>Might you make the same objection and analysis of the situation
>>on behalf of Orthodox Muslim women?
>
>What -- that Orthodox Muslim women are not made "dumb" or "stupid"
>by their religion, or that you should find a better group of
>Orthodox Jewish males?
>Perspiring minds want to know.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE SUBJECT SHIFTED TO OFFENDING PURE MUSLIM 
WOMEN?  I GUESS WE MUSLIMS ASKED FOR IT DUE TO OUR CURIOUSITY.
HERE WE BEGAN MIXING PURE MUSLIM WOMEN SUCH AS THE PROPHET'S WIVES
AND DAUGHTERS WITH ORTHODOX JEWISH "MALES".  THE TWO DON'T MIX,
AND WE SHOULD NOT PROVOKE SUCH INSLUTS TO OUR SISTERS.  SOMETIMES
IT IS WISE TO AVOID SUCH ARTICLES SINCE THE AVERAGE MUSLIM WOMAN
CANNOT STAND THIS HEAT, OR AT LEAST WE SHOULD NOT GENERALIZE
IT TO MUSLIM WOMAN KEEP IT VERY SPECIFIC.

JLE
From: U13054@uicvm.uic.edu (Howard Wachtel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews in Muslim countries
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:48:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.93010.124808U13054
 <1993Jan7.224231.12231@imagen.com> <1993Jan09.011611.808489@locus.com>
 <4889@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <4889@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU>,
aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) says:

[...much deleted...
>
>There's a lot more to it than just that.  Under Islamic law, Muslims
>are required to safeguard the rights of non-Muslims and to go to war
>on their behalf against the enemies of a Muslim state.
>
>Muslims are also required to respect the lifestyle of Jews and allow
>them fair and equal treatment under an Islamic state.

   Would you care to tell us which Islamic state(s) give Jews who live
there fair and equal treatment under the law?
________________________________________________________________
Howard K. Wachtel              University of Illinois at Chicago
U13054@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU        Phone (312) 975-7970
From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Eruv
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:58:46 GMT
Reply-To: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin

In article 080193081055@145.1.92.160, CPLS13@email.mot.com (Steven_Cohn) writes:
<In article <1993Jan8.035731.20236@ennews.eas.asu.edu>,
<makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) wrote:
<< 
<< 
<< 	For those who are interested, there is a vicous battle going on in
<< Chicago over the Eruv.  There is a history over this battle which I
<< will not go into except to say some people have been taking ads out in
<< every issue of every Jewish publication that will let them saying that
<< those who carry on Shabbos inside the Chicago eruv are being Shabbos
<< violators of the worst kind.
<
< Yes, it has been quite vicious, and it really is a shame, since one of the
< main purposes of an eruv is to make for a more cohesive "community".  As
< for the aspect of "Shabbos violation", most of this is smoke and being done
< because of the feelings of the Brisk Rosh Yeshiva, who is violently against
< the eruv (the main "publicly stated" reason is that of "maris ayin").  I'm
< not sure about the Chicago eruv, but for the Skokie eruv, our main poskin
< was haRav Gedalis Schwartz, Av Bet Din of the CRC (Chicago Rabinical
< Council - "O"), so we are fairly confident in it's halachic standing.
<

Maris ayin? I could understand maris ayin for a non-kosher restaurant or 
X-rated movie or something, but it seems to me that anyone who is 
knowledgable enough to know that you shouldn't carry on Shabbat would 
also be aware of the eruv controversy!!!


********************************************************************************
Janice Gelb                  | (415) 336-7075     
janiceg@marvin.eng.sun.com   | "A silly message but mine own" (not Sun's!) 
********************************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)
Subject: Looking for a reference
Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 15:50:12 GMT

I am looking for a reference regarding a Jew named Carasso. This is all I have 
on his name, however, he was an active Zionist at the turn of the century. He 
may have worked with Hertzl in attempts to influence land purchases in the 
area from the area south of Lake Tiberius. 


-- 
David Davidian <dbd@urartu.sdpa.org> |"The massacres? Oh well! They merely  
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | amuse me!"  -Talaat Pasha, architect of 
P.O. Box 382761                      | Turkish the genocide of Armenian people. 
Cambridge, MA 02238                  | (Four Years Beneath the Crescent, p 208) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: khaikin@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (dmitry khaikin)
Subject: Re: Mezuza question
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:33:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.231709.23089@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.184642.4280@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> afrydman@granpa.enet.dec.com (Avi Frydman) writes:
>>
>>If another Jew will occupy the house, the mezuzot should be left.  You are
>>allowed to charge the new occupant for them.  You certainly can take the
>>mezuzah covers with you.  Many of ours were also gifts or bought by us in
>>Jerusalem. The mezuzah is the parchment.
>
>This leads to another question.  If the house is sold to non-Jews,
>should the mezuzot be removed?  I ask because one friend's house
>(non-Jewish) has mezuzot on the doors from the previous occupants, and
>this struck me as rather odd.

Obsoletely! You never know what a non-Jew will do with those mezuzot,
no matter how good of a person he is. 

Thanks,
Dima
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  "A word is worth one coin; silence is worth two."_____ The Talmud.
  "Silence is good everywhere, except in connection with Torah."____ The Zohar.
  khaikin@cis.ohio-state.edu  ( Dmitry Khaikin, Columbus Ohio )
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM?
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:57:08 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1ibicfINNpne@manuel.anu.edu.au> bdm@cs.anu.edu.au writes:
> .. Gideon's political purposes (which I consider racist).

Since I am strongly object racism I am sure that I never expressed any
racial idea. I do object the anihilation of the Jewish state and
anihilation of the jewish nation. I can see no justification for
describing me as a racist.

>  I also think it is perverse when people such as Gideon claim that
> some group does not have land rights because they accepted permanent
> immigrants into their number.

I NEVER CLAIMED THAT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

It seemed that Brendan is motivated by a very flexible idea about
notions like "facts" and "moral". This should make us very suspicient
when reading Brendan information.

>Brendan.

Shalom  Gideon   ERETS   YISRAEL


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet)
Subject: Re: Lyrics to Hatikva
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories,  Columbus, Ohio
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:16:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.000858.3554@imagen.com> avi@seal.imagen.com (avi zelmanov) writes:
>While the English translation presented above rhymes, sounds nice and
>manages to convery most of the ideas in the Hatikva, I thought some of us
>would be intrested in the actual translation (more word for word than line
>per line).
...
>here's a more accuarte translation:
>
>Kol od ba-le-vav pe-ni-mah,            So long as still within the heart
>Ne-fesh ye-hu-di ho-mi-yah,            The Jewish soul yearns
>
>U-le-fa-a-tey miz-rah ka-di-mah,       And towards the East,
>A-yin le-Tzi-yon tzo-fi-yah,           An eye is looking toward Zion
>Od lo av'dah tik-va-te-nu--            Our hope has not been lost yet,
>Ha-tik-vah bat sh'not al-pa-yim--      The hope of two thousand years
>Li-h'yot am hof-shi be-ar-tze-nu,      To be (a) free people in the Land
                              ^^^                                ^^^^
>E-retz Tzi-yon vi-ru-sha-la-yim...     The Land Of Zion and Jerusalem....
>
>Li-h'yot am hof-shi be-ar-tze-nu       To be (a) free people in the Land
                              ^^^                                ^^^
>E-retz Tzi-yon vi-ru-sha-la yim.       The Land Of Zion and Jerusalem....

In the examples above, would "Our Land" be better than "the Land?"
-- 
Art Kamlet  a_s_kamlet@att.com  AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus
From: black@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: DEATH THREAT TO THE JEWS
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:31:06 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada



			FARRAKHAN AND JEWISH THREATS


	In this great land of YOURS called Amerikkka, we as Black people
are supposed to have FREEDOM, JUSTICE, AND EQUALITY.  If we do have these
things why isn't the Jewish community able to take Farrakhan to court for the
so-called lies that he is supposed to be preaching.  According to Rabbi Oron, 
and the Jewish Students here in Halifax, Canada, Farrakhan has been calling 
for the death of Jews.  If this is the case, then Farrakhan should've and
would've been charged for malicious intent or death threats, he wasn't.
	On the other hand, Jews have called for the death of Farrakhan.  In 
most public arenas that Farrakhan speaks, there is a Jewish contingent calling
for the death of Farrakhan.  For example, one Jew was asked, "Who do you want?"
the reply was "Farrakhan".  Next they asked, "How do you want him?"; the Jews 
repliedm, "DEAD".
	It seems funny that the people who want Farrakhan charged are the people
who are obviously guilty of that same supposed crime.  My suggestion to the
Jews who are asking for the arrainment of Farrakhan is this, leave this brother
alone.  If you as a people can't deal with the truth then GET THE HELL OUT!!!


Dr.Kwame Assad BA(Hons) MA  PhD(Oxford)  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Crown Heights Jury
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:38:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.052450.12442@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.020756.13646@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>The defense attorney held a party for the defendant after the verdict
>which many of the jurors attended.  Strikes me as somewhat unseemly.
>If it's not covered by existing ethics rules, it should be.

Why?  The trial is over.  There is no conflict of interest.  All the
parties involved are now simply private citizens who happened to have
been involved in a trial previously.  It's not at all uncommon for a
defendant found innocent to meet some of the jurors afterward.

Now if this had happened DURING the trial...

(This is starting to move out of s.c.j. and into misc.legal.  Consider
following up there.)

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:17:49 EST
From: Peter M. Cohen <PC2370A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
 <1ii3efINNba6@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>

In article <1ii3efINNba6@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, sutin@ra.UCSC.EDU (Brian Sutin)
says:
>
>In article <93007.143346PC2370A@auvm.american.edu> PC2370A@auvm.american.edu
>(Peter M. Cohen) writes:
>-[...]
>-To the German people I owe an apology.  Not all Germans were Nazis.  AS for  e
>th
>-Arabs, after speaking to some Lebanese and Palistinians who are living here
>in
>-the US Ive come to realize that many Arabs oppose the PLO and Hamas but can  t
>no
>-act because of the threat of retaliation against them.  This is similar to
>the
>-attitude of those Germans who opposed Hitlers policies but were powerless to o
>d
>-anything about it.  I have finally come to the conclusion that both Jews and
>-the Palistinians deserve a homeland.
>
>-P. Cohen  pc2370a@auvm.american.edu
>
>This brings some questions to mind:
>
>1) Does this imply that the Germans deserve a homeland?
>
>2) If five boy scouts help old ladies across the street, does this imply
>   that Americans deserve a homeland?
>
>If I had to wrap up my view, I would say that individual Germans are
>wonderful, but as a group they suck.
>
At first I wasn't going to entertain this response to my posting but the
shear rediculousness of it forces me to.  In answer to question 1; yes, the
Germans deserve and have a homeland.  I'm afraid I don't understand your
question number 2; what are you implying ??  Are you actually attempting to
use logic ? If so, your reasoning escapes me...

------------------------------------------------
Peter Cohen         pc2370a@auvm.american.edu
------------------------------------------------
From: aliki@nova1.stanford.edu (Alexandra Schmidt)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Orthadox Judaism and women
Date: 11 Jan 1993 15:40:29 GMT
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: nova1.stanford.edu

In article <1993Jan10.025405.26766@netcom.com> horen@netcom.com (Jonathan B. Horen -- [408] 736-3923) writes:

>
>Who says that an Orthodox woman has to be stifled? And if her
>husband (or father, boss, brother, etc.) is doing so, who
>says that she has to take it?
>

Ask any agunah.  :(  
While one might argue that the woman's estranged husband is actively 
doing the stifling, it would not be possible without a ruling created and
perpetuated by the Orthodox (male) rabbinical community.

>What I object to is the implication that Orthodox Jewish
>women are made "dumb" or "stupid" by their religion. I
>know far too many Orthodox Jewish women who are professionals
>in the business and academic world, to take your comment as
>anything but autobiographical. If so, perhaps you should
>find a better group of Orthodox Jewish males.
>

Agreed, absolutely.

>
>-- 
>Jonathan B. Horen       | A man should not strive to eliminate his complexes,
>SysAdmin/SrTechWriter   | but to get in accord with them; they are 
>Tel: (408) 736-3923     | legitimately what directs his conduct in the world.
>Email: horen@netcom.com |                     -- Sigmund Freud

			. . .Alexandra



Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl)
Subject: Re: Jews For Germans
Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 12:52:45 GMT

dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

>What I want to say is that the fact that a certain poster is
>annoying does not justify an annoying answer.

To all who misunderstood my posting as a flame I want to
apologize to.
I didn't mean to compare WWII Germany to 1993 Israel.
I just wanted to show that injustice do happen in 
every country at any time and it is silly to judge
all members of the country because of this.
But I wasn't the first one who tried this and I guess
I won't be the last one. In fact I think it is
useless anyway. So much luck to the next one =)

Bye,
  Christian

-- 
"Die Demokratie ist ein Verfahren, das garantiert, dass wir nicht
 besser regiert werden, als wir es verdienen."
- G. B. Shaw
Christian Lampl - stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de - aka Ray at the IRC
From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM?
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:57:14 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <1993Jan4.075958.1292@netcom.com> zmbenhal@netcom.com (Zeyd
M. Ben-Halim) writes:

>In article <4618@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon
Ehrlich) writes:

>>(Zeyd M. Ben-Halim) writes:
>>
>>> Where do the palestinians come from?
>>
>>From : Egypt , Syria , Afgahnistan, Iran, Magrab ( North Africa),
>>      Turky, Bosnia , Saudi-Arabia  ....
>
>And where do the jews come from?
>                      ^^^^
>Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Germany, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria,
>Morocco, France, Britain, USA, Argentina, South Africa, Australia, Tukey.
>What was your point again? :-)

Jews did not COME from those countries they RETURNED from those
countries!

I had an interesting exoerience 3 hours ago . I gave a ride to an Arab
who was stucked with no gas, to the nearest gas station. "I waited
for a long time and no Arab stoped ".  " That is because Arabs are not
one nation" I replied  " most of you are Egyptians and the other are
Syrians". " I am neither an Egyptian nor a syrian " he said . "So from
where are you?" " I am from Yemma!" he said proudly!
( He lieved at a farm near Ramallah called Sharesh , or something like
that)

>>For more details look at : Britanica (1910) PALESTINE , population .
>>
>>and at the new very detailed scientific book:
>>
>> Prof.  DAVID GROSSMAN:  RURAL PROCESS-PATERN RELATIONSHIPS
>>        Published by Praeger   March 1992.
>>
>>The book is based on both: written old sources and an extensive
>>researches in the area , aspecially in the samaria farms where the big
>>Egyptian mass population is located.
>>There are a lot of maps tables and diagrams.
>>A must for everyone interesting in the topic.

>>  Shalom     Gideon Ehrlich
From: engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu (Sean P. Engelson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Kosher question
Date: 6 Jan 1993 10:25:43 -0500
Organization: Yale AI Mobile Robotics Project
Distribution: world
Reply-To: engelson-sean@cs.yale.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: argentina.ai.cs.yale.edu

In article <04Jan93.164153.17898@granite.ciw.edu>, cohen@quartz.ciw.edu (Ronald Cohen) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan4.161545.2873@cbfsb.cb.att.com> hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz) writes:
|> >Thus a piece of horsemeat with milk is treif but not basar
|> >bechalav.  The difference lies in that we can sell nonkosher food
|> >to a nonJew (as he is allowed to eat it) or use it in a nonfood
|> >product but we are not allowed to get any benefit from a meat and
|> >milk mixture.  For example, dogfood with horse meat and milk
|> >solids would be allowed, but with beef and milk solids would not
|> >be allowed.
|> 
|> Isn't the "benefit clause" only in the case of cooking meat and
|> milk together, and not mixing them together cold.  Also, isn't
|> one allowed to gain benefit from chicken and milk (but not eat
|> it), or is my memory cloudy?

Yes to the first, since mixing them cold is Rabbinically prohibited.
Note of course, that simply putting hot meat on cold cheese (or the
reverse) would constitute cooking.  And yes to the second as well,
since (a) chicken and milk is a rabbinic prohibition and (b) the
rabbis only prohibited eating (since that was the big problem).

|> Does the benefit clause mean that a Jewish store owner cannot
|> carry products that contain meat and milk cooked together?  What
|> if the store is publically owned--can one not hold stock in such
|> a store?

Both very good questions, but beyond my expertise.  My guess as to the
first is that it's probably forbidden.  And the second question
involves the halachic status of stock ownership, which is a very
complicated question.

	-Shlomo-
-- 
Sean Philip (Shlomo) Engelson		
Yale Department of Computer Science	
Box 2158 Yale Station			
New Haven, CT 06520			
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.german
From: stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de (Christian Lampl)
Subject: Re: Racial oppression and Fascism (was: Re: Jews For Germans)
Organization: Unlimited Surprise Systems, Berlin
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:02:33 GMT

mstern@wam.umd.edu (Michael Stern) writes:

> It seems that Political Correctness is alive and well at Mt. Holyoke.
>Been to a few indoctrination seminars lately?

In other words: Juergen was right =)

Bye
  Christian

-- 
"There're so many different world, so many different suns,
 but we have just one world, though we live in different ones"
- Dire Straits "Brothers in arms"
Christian Lampl - stingray@unlisys.in-berlin.de - aka Ray at the IRC
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
From: roger fo <rogerfo@halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: ERETZ YISRAEL (was Re: deportation)
Originator: bbs@halcyon.com
Keywords: ERETZ YISRAEL
Reply-To: Hillel Applebaum
Organization: HAMAS
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:48:47 GMT

aplebaum@irs01.cs.huji.ac.il (Hillel Applebaum) writes:

> In article <532@owl.ukc.ac.uk>, dat@ukc.ac.uk (D.A.Turner) writes:
> |> In article <1hni0gINN4jb@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> Hillel Applebaum writes:
> |> >Pls tell me if I'm wrong.
> |> >I think that regardless to been a left/right winger,
> |> >all religious Israelis/jews knew that ERETZ YISRAEL
> |> >is the homeland of jews and no other nation. The only
> |> >thing they might disagree about is wheather is worth
> |> >trading parts of it for peace.
> |> 
> |> No, I think this is open to dispute.  In two respects.
> |> 
> |> 1) I am a British Jew.  My homeland is Britain.  The homeland of Swedish
> |> Jews  is Sweden, and so on.  Exactly the same as for British and Swedish
> |> Baptists, or Catholics.  Judaism is a religion, not a nationality.  Most
> |> Jews  live  in  the  diaspora,  and show no signs of moving - nor should
> |> they.  Their homeland is the country they are living in.
> 
> Yes, Judaism is a religion. BUT part of that religion is that ERETZ-YISRAEL
> is the land of the Jews !(=thier homeland)
>  
> |> 2) Unfortunately what you call Eretz Yisreal has almost exactly the same
> |> boundaries  as  historic  Palestine.   The  Palestinians lived in it for
> |> thirteen centuries, without doing Jews or anyone else any harm,  and  it
> |> is  their homeland.  They have no other homeland.  You are a settler - a
> |> colonist - in another people's land.
> 
> if the name 'palestine' is history, ERETZ-YISRAEL is prehistory. we were
> here first. Relearn your history Mr. Turner.
>  
> |> David Turner
> |> (A British Jew who does not support Israel)
> 
> Still we would be happy to take you here.
> -- 
> 
> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-*- 
> / Hillel P. Applebaum     |> ISRAEL - where all		Better    the   Golan 
> / Jerusalem,   Israel     |  jews  MUST  live !		then peace without it.
> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--*-*-*-*-*-*-*- 

because, as he posted some weeks ago, he is waiting for the MESSIAH
(MASIKH) !!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)
Subject: Israel must NOT return the "garbage"
Originator: scj@israel.nysernet.org
Reply-To: <norm@helix.nih.gov(Norm Friedman)>
Organization: Nysernet
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:48:02 GMT

Add to Alan Stein message: I always wondered how the only pictures to
appear in our press-show one man on crutches (Which I read; he uses only
FOR PICTURES) and pictures of prayers. (I wonder what they pray for).  I
use the term."garbage" in my subject heading, since that is the term that
the Lebanese gov't used when they said that Israel could not dump their
garbage in Lebanon.
+--------------------------------------------------------+
   

   *    ***    ***     *
   *   *   *     *     *
   *   *   *           *   
   *    ***         ***
   *   nissan reuven b'R Shami             
   *   
   *   *  *   ***   ***   **  **
   *   ** *  *   *  *  *  * ** *
   *   * **  *   *  ***   *    *
   *   *  *   ***   *  *  *    *
       norm  "EVERYWHERE I GO, I GO TO ISRAEL!"
+---------------------------------------------------------+