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From: sfd@soda.berkeley.edu (Scott Drellishak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Star Trek ranks
Date: 24 Jan 1993 09:09:20 GMT
Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems
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Does anybody out there happen to have a list of Starfleet ranks at the
time of ST:TNG?  I'm interested in the list and the insignia for each
rank.  Please respond by email, and I'll post a summary -- I'm not a
regular reader of this group.
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From: mlandaue@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael C Landauer)
Subject: Re: NEW SPLIT IDEA <groan>
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:14:22 GMT

msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood) writes:

>This is a VERY simple split idea: 

>CREATE: rec.arts.startrek.characters

>This group is for the discussion of characters and character
>questions. It's for things like 'Troi's butt', 'O'Brien's
>Rank', and 'Q in starfleet?'. I really think that it would
>work. I would be more tempted to post something like 'Worf's a
>baby!' to .characters than to .current or .misc . It's a simple
>change, but it would split .current about 40% (for current) to
>60% (for characters), and there would be very little
>crossposting. The only serious crosspost I can see is something
>like 'Picard on DSN?' or 'Dax on TNG'. Comments? Flames
>(hopefully none)? Questions?

Wow, excellent idea.  Helps move those stupid "rank", "butt", and "previous
movies" posts out of r.a.s.c and r.a.s.m.

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From: roberth@microsoft.com (Robert Hess)
Subject: Re: Star Trek Movies- Has there been changes?
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:41:20 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Distribution: usa

| ...The home video version and the HBO version had a scene cut
| out that was in the movie screen version.
| This scene happened right after Iman gets Kirk and Bones up to the
| surface, Kirk was being simultaneously being beamed up and shot at by
| the klingon.
| ...
| When they first showed movie previews on tv, they used this scene
| quite extensively, to the point that I thought kirk was going to
| die in ST: VI The Undiscovered Country. Any Comments

I haven't seen the HBO or Home Video versions so I can't comment on a
scene being cut, but I can comment on the 'TV Preview' scene for the
movie.

The scene you saw in the previews was never in the movie. The preview
scene specifically shows Kirk being phasered. No transporter effect
at all. This 'scene' did happen in the movie with Iman being 'Kirk',
but the angle of the shot was completely different.

It's been a while since I've seen the movie, but if I remember correctly,
what happens in the movie when the 'real' Kirk is beamed up, is that when
the beam up is 'almost' complete, the Klingons fire, and their beams
pass harmlessly through the remaining energy pattern.

-Robert
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From: mwasserm@diana.cair.du.edu (MARC Y. WASSERMAN)
Subject: Re: homosexuality in ST
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 19:22:10 GMT

In article <gd.02lb@evil.Demon.Co.Uk> gd@evil.demon.co.uk (Geoff Dooley) writes:
>In article <1993Jan24.181455.1@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> skuff@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>
>Surley they would have cured homsexuality by then?
>

My guess is that you just opened up one hell of a can of worms...

Marc
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From: skantzarc@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: RE DSP OPENING CREDITS
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:57:43 GMT

I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT DSN OPENING CREDITS.  WHAT A BORE!! 
FOR A SHOW BASED ON ACTION THE CREDITS ARE LIFELESS.!
CHRIS

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From: ivy@camelot.bradley.edu (Ivelisse Atiles)
Subject: Re: Prime Detective?!
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 23 Jan 93 04:26:46 GMT

Upon further examination, I've decided that this thing on the back
inside cover of "Boogeymen" is a huge misprint.

It says: "The epic NY Times bestseller now in paperback!"
Then it has a Next Gen logo. 
It continues, "Prime Detective" by Judith and Garfield Reeves Stevens.
"Starfleet's most sacred commandment has been violated. Its most honored
captain is in disgrace, its most celelbrated starship in pieces, and
the crew of that ship scattered among the thousand worlds of the Federation.
	"Thus begins PRIME DETECTIVE, a Star Trek novel that takes the crew
of the Enterprise from the depths of despair into an electrifying new
adventure that spans the galaxy."

I know for sure that there *is* a TOS novel called "Prime Directive."
I guess I was just confused.
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From: hewett@cwis.unomaha.edu (Dallas Hewett)
Subject: twin cities convention?
Keywords: convention
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:40:44 GMT

I heard that there may be a convention in the twin cities in
February.  Does anyone know if this is true and have any details?

Thanks in advance

Dallas
Hewett@cwis.unomaha.edu

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From: crdunlea@rodan.acs.syr.EDU (Christopher R. Dunlea)
Subject: Re: AFTER FINALLY SEEING
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 02:05:52 EST

In article <1993Jan26.123335.19815@husc3.harvard.edu> cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone) writes:
>"Major" is a *Bajoran* title, not a Starfleet one.  Kira is not part of
>Starfleet.  Do we even know for sure if she is formally under the 
>command of Sisko -- that is, can Sisko issue reprimands for her file and
>so forth, as in "putting her head on a platter?"  Even if he could,
>would it really matter that much in the eyes of her Bajoran superiors?
>It is also possible that she is not formally under Sisko's command
>and that she merely acts like he is in charge for convenience's sake.
>

Your points are all correct. I am merely acting on a structural argument.
IF Starfleet has authority over DS9, and IF Sisko is a Commander, then
in any integration of Fed/Bajoran forces, standard rank order would
conceivably rule, correct? And a Commander is one rank higher, all
things to scale, than a Major. A major is equivalent in rank to a 
lt. commander--the lowest field grade officer.

Anyway, as far as the integration of command structures, this is
similar when the forces of different countries work together, ie 
in WWII Montgomery, the British general, was a Maj. General, and therefore
less precedence than Eisenhower, a full General, during the Allied 
Command period of the war.

Chris

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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Prime Detective?!
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 23:00:55 GMT

In article <ivy.727749160@camelot> ivy@camelot.bradley.edu (Ivelisse Atiles) writes:
>I was reading the Star Trek: The Next Generation novel "Boogeymen"
>and I came across a book description in the back cover for a book
>called "Prime Detective."  I have never seen nor heard of this book,
>nor is it listed at the beginnings of later ST books.  Did this book
>ever come out? Sorry if it's a stupid question, but I pretty much keep
>up with the books.

Yes, it did, and it was pretty good, too. It was first released in hardcover,
but I think I remember seeing a paperback edition.


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From: zorak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Scott E Flowers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: James Doohan movie cameo
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:00:25 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
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i don't know if this has been mentioned before, so here i go.

i was watching television a couple of days ago, and a promo for the movie
National Lampoons Loaded Weapon I came on.  During the promo, they show
a captain of a ship or sub, i couldn't tell which, was yelling to the
engine saying, "We need some more power, Scotty!!"  At which the camera pans
to the right and James Doohan turns around and yells as only Jimmy Doohan
can, "I'm giving her all she can take."  or something along his classic
Star Trek line.  I did a double take when i heard that.

as for the movie, its looks just like it titles says, a cross of National 
Lampoon, Lethal Weapon, and Naked Gun.


scott == zorak@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Shatner
Date: 25 Jan 93 06:07:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: leela.1k003kINNof
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
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In article <C1A3E0.FGt@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>In article <1jo04iINNdmf@mojo.eng.umd.edu>, clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes...
>> 
>>    Just a rumor.  I saw something on one of these morning shows (Regis
>>and Kathy Lee?) where Shatner was a guest, and there was some talk about
>>having him direct (gasp!) a movie based on one of the Tek stories that
>>he's written.   It's supposedly in the very early stages, having only
>>been recently suggested.
>
>     A TV series, said the New York Times sunday A&E section
>     several months ago, which Shatner would produce, direct
>     and [perhaps] star in.  I think the proposal was in the
>     early stages, and I don't remember a studio attachment
>     being announced (although one wonders if Paramount would
>     back it if asked?).  

When I saw Shatner last summer in L.A. he mentioned that he was leaving
the following Monday morning for Canada to pitch his TV series to some
network executives there.    He seemed to be very confident of its
reception.  He was leaving that same day for San Diego to do a pitch
for his Tek comic book that was just coming out.  He had high hopes
for its reception as well and seemed on quite a high.

>     Anyway, did I miss it, or is it now common knowledge that
>     Shatner _DID NOT_ in fact write any of those Tek books; they
>     were ghostwritten.

Shatner said in a very casual way that Ron Goulart (is that correct?) 
was very *helpful* with writing the *Tek* books.  He didn't seem to be
hiding this information at that time. (This was the summer of 1992).
He did, however, seem to be implying that he had done most of the
writing himself.  I have my doubts, but that's just IMHO, however.

Marg

>     Scott Gorcey     


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From: paul.parkhurst@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Parkhurst) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: TNG AND G.O.D.
Date: 21 Jan 93 00:57:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Transfer Station BBS, Danville, CA - 510-837-4610/837-5591
Reply-To: paul.parkhurst@uttsbbs.uucp (Paul Parkhurst) 

-> It appears to me that TNG discounts the possiblity of a benevolent,
-> caring higher power at every turn, whether believed in by "lower"
-> cvilizations, or just by their belief in thier own ability to resolve
-> any crisis that comes up.

   I believe in the TOS episode "Who Mourns for Adonais?" (where they
meet Apollo), Kirk says something like "We find the one God quite
sufficient."  So, even though religious practices are generally
restricted to the occasional Vulcan ceremony or as a plot device with
some other culture, one can assume that there is still religion in the
23rd and 24th centuries.

   In my opinion, space flight and exploration of the galaxy would more
than likely renew interest in religion and the age-old "where do we
really come from?" question.  Especially in the ST universe, where every
other life form is humanoid (this is a bit too much to be taken as a
random, evolutionary event).  Though some would like to deny it,
religions of all sorts are alive and well in the 20th century.  I see
no reason to assume that it will go away in the next 300 or 400 years.


Paul Parkhurst

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From: adculha@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Andrew Culhane)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Question/SPOILER on
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:15:17 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

In article <522610d43@ofa123.fidonet.org> Bill.Jacobson@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.144512.2595@inland.com> tanski@inland.com writes:
>>During the DS9 episode "A Man Alone," the discussion in which the 
>>entry into the holosimulator (?) could have been done be a shape-shifter,
>>one then wonders how did the knife get in?  Although Odo could have made
>>part of himself (itself?) into a knife, he would then have to leave
>>part of him behind since the knife was still in the body.  Is this a
>>flaw in that arguement? 
>
>Very good point. Yes it would seem to be a key to Odo's defense, if that clone 
>thing hadn't been discovered. Does StarFleet have need of a Criminal Defense
>Attourney?
>
>                          
>
> -> Alice4Mac Eval:13Dec92 
>
>--- Maximus 2.01wb

Okay, nobody has brought this up all week, so here goes.

Possible spoilers below:

Killing your own clone is still murder?

How about the 2nd season episode where Riker, Pulaski and (I think) Laforge
did just that, killed the clones that some alien race had made of them w/o
their permission?

At the time, I felt Dr. Pulaski's "violation of our bodies" rhetoric was
uncomfortably similar to heated pro-abortion arguments.  Perhaps that's
what we should infer, since it now seems that killing your own incompletely
formed clone is okay, but once it's finished 'cooking,' then killing it is
murder ...

Am I the only one who's bothered by this?

--- adc
From: lward@husc11.harvard.edu (Lester Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Hormones (uh, pardon me...)
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:43:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc.lward.728073798
 <1993Jan22.172527.11252@Virginia.EDU> <1jphorINNrcp@shelley.u.washington.edu> <1993Jan25.144031.21091@yang.earlham.edu>


Just as a question:  What are each of the r.a.st.* groups explicitly for?

What differentiates .misc from .current?  From the names it would seem like
.current is for describing current news and the episodes of the last week
or so.  Seems like Kira's measurements et. al. would be prime .misc
candidates.  I don't particularly care one way or the other, but it'd be
good information to have.

(BTW, I think the posts saying you shouldn't post such-and-such here was
not meant to censor what you posted, only .where. you posted it.  Maybe
not.)

Wordman
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From: gd@evil.demon.co.uk (Geoff Dooley)
Subject: hate
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Organization: Geoff Dooleys' TV Repairs
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:36:11 +0000


I would just like to say that I hate all you americans.

You have all these new TNG's and DS9.

We in Britain have NOTHING since the seasons 1 to 3 on TNG and the constant
re-runs of TOS.

I vomit westerly to the bastard nation.


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From: theodore@wam.umd.edu (Theodore Jonathan Casser)
Subject: Re: DS9 Writer's Bible
Reply-To: theodore@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:03:49 GMT

In article <532610d45@ofa123.fidonet.org> Bill.Jacobson@ofa123.fidonet.org  
writes:
> Where can I buy a writer's bible for either deep space nine or ST:TNG?
> 
>                                                                               
>                                 Bill Jacobson
>                                                                               
>                    <XWJACOBSON@FULLERTON.EDU>
> 
>  -> Alice4Mac Eval:13Dec92 
> 
> --- Maximus 2.01wb

Try on QVC, one of the cable shopping channels.  There is a StarTrek  
Collectables show on the 28th.
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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart, et al, in Chicago
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 21:12:16 EST

In article <C1CM4s.1J3@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes:
 
>
><U16028%uicvm.uic.edu@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU> writes:
>
>
>>Patrick Stewart, Jonathan Frakes, Brent Spiner, Gates McFadden, Colm Meaney,
>>and John Christian Graas (who is he??) will be performing in the play by
>>Tom Stoppard and Andre Previn, "Every Good Boy Deserves Favour."  The dates
>>of the performance are April 10 & 11, 1993.
 
 
Does anyone know if this is going to come to New York (or anywhere else on the
East Coast?)
 
 
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From: sarah@admiral.uucp (Sarah Jane Attridge)
Subject: Re: "the worst record ever..."
Reply-To: sarah@admiral.uucp (Sarah Jane Attridge)
Organization: The Grid/Waffle BBS, 203-661-2873, -1279, -0450, -2967
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:59:38 GMT

rcmtr@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Trevor Rook) writes:

> 
> From 'The Melbourne Weekly' (A FREE newspaper here in Melbourne Australia):
> 
> "STAR TREK'S CAPTAIN COPS A REAL ROCKET
> 
> Rolf Harris's (sic) didgeridoo version of the rock classic 'Stairway to Heave
> a surprise hit in Australia, is causing controversy in Britain. Its release
> inspired The Sunday Telegraph to go looking for the worst record ever. The 
> verdict: The Transformed Man, by William Shatner of Star Trek fame. On it hre
> former star fleet captain attempts Hamlet, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and
> Mr Tambourine Man. After flopping in 1970, it has just been released on CD."
> 
> 
> -- 
> #   Trevor J. Rook                         tjrook@rmit.edu.au
> #   Applied Chemistry, RMIT                phone +61-3-660-3361 
> #   Melbourne, Australia                   fax   +61-3-639-1321 
> #   Apathy will be the ultimate downfall of mankind, but who cares?          

Well, I woke out of a sound sleep at 5:30 in the morning to a radio DJ 
saying "Here's a song off of LEONARD NIMOY SINGS!, it was that dippy song 
"Put a Little Love in Your Heart", and it was like a nightmare.... I've 
also heard the Shatner version of "lucy in the Sky with Diamonds", a 
so-called friend played it at me once! I was in agony...

SJA

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From: rjg@umnstat.stat.umn.edu (Robert J. Granvin)
Subject: Re: um...well...sorry
Organization: School of Statistics, University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:47:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.215747.14040@bsu-ucs>, 00cmmiller@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
|> just a little, nit-picky, obsessive trait i must show right now.
|> the correct spelling is: bjorn.
|> thank you for letting me get that out of my system.  i apologize for
|> any feelings hurt.

If you're talking about Bjorn Borg or another person bearing that as
a proper noun name, then you are correct; with the exception that it 
requires being capitalized...

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From: support@fy.chalmers.se (Merry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: TOS FanWritingQuery(K/S)+wish for adresses!
Date: 23 Jan 93 23:22:47 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Univ. of Technology, G|teborg, Sweden


     I don't know much of K/S fiction, but Joanna Russ 

     wrote an essay about it in "Magic Mommas".

     (1) Probably

     (2) Kraith is not K/S. It's stories about a Vulcan 'Holy Grail'.
         The founder of the 'Kraith' story tree is Jaqueline Lichtenberg,
         I think.

     (3) They are written for and by heterosexuals, 100% women. 
         Russ argues it is probably because women can't find any totally 
         equal relationships between a woman and a man. It doesn't 
         exist in our culture. If they wish to write stories of equal 
         relationships, they have to write either about two women or
         two men. I believe they don't want to write about two women
         because they don't want to be identified as lesbians.
         Have you noticed how many female fantasywriters it is that
         has male homosexual protagonists? 
         Quite a lot. But almost no non-lesbian female fantasywriters 
         has FEMALE homosexual protagonists...
     
    
      
        I WOULD BE HAPPY TO GET THE ADRESSES OF FANZINES OPEN TO SUBSCRIBING; 
       
        PERSONS WRITING TOS STORIES OR PERSONS WILLING TO MAIL STORIES TO ME.  

        THIS INCLUDES K/S FICTION, AND THE "NIGHT OF THE TWIN MOONS" AND THE 

        THE KRAITH STORY-TREES.

        PLEASE E-MAIL THESE TO ME, OR POST THEM TO THE NET. ( I BELIEVE THERE

        ARE MANY MORE WHO WISH FOR THESE ADRESSES.)

         
        What are the ftp archives? How do you find them?

        My adress is support@fy.chalmers.se

                                           MERRY
                                         



                                      

        

         
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