From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:08:18 GMT
Keywords: Energizer Weenies

steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak) writes:


I would like to use this response as an example of how the same stupid
comments keep being thrown at me OVER AND OVER.  I'm sick of repeating
myself.


>> = vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
>>> = Larry Margolis 

>>>>That's not a fetus.

>>>Right - in most abortions, it's an embryo, not yet a fetus.

>>Document this.         

>Um, Larry documented this last week.  You're not very good at
>disingenuousness.

Larry's documentation stated that 50% of abortion occur after 8 weeks
LMP.  I have documented that this is considered the fetal stage.
Therefore, Larry is full of it.  


>In fact, maybe we should add it to the FAQ.

Sure.  Typical liberal revisionist history.  

>>>>Don't put words into my mouth.  Having sex and getting pregnant are not 
>>>>crime. They are, however, actions that an adult must deal with like an 
>>>>adult.

>Meaning, getting pregnant is only a crime when the woman chooses an
>abortion.  At least in your nightmare view of what society should be.

Another comment exactly like the ones I've responded to before.  

>>>bortion is one way of dealing with an unwanted pregnancy.

>>Abortion is a way of avoiding being a mature adult, which kills a baby.

>Blatant assertion alert!              

>Eddie keeps sniffling and calling mindless blobs "babies".  Eddie thinks
>being "mature" is having a baby you don't want!  In fact, I'd like to
>hear Ed's views on child abuse.

Another comment I have responded to already.  If you'd bother to read
you would see I have addressed this with regard to abortion.   

Oh, my name is Edward or Mr. Simmonds.

>Thanks.

>>>>Don't call it a fetus because I doubt you know what a fetus really is.

>>>Well, *I* think I do; what do *you* think a fetus is?

>>A fetus is the prenatal stage of a species in which the unborn offspring
>>begins to take on the basic physical characteristics of its post birth
>>form.  In humans this occurs approximately 8 weeks after fertilization.
>>
>>Would you like anything more specific?

>I'd like something a little more *accurate*.  Every definiton *I've*
>seen is, after 3 months.

Why not try using a medical textbook.. or at least something above
the 4th grader's World Encyclopedia?    

The trimester definition is used to make the concept simple for people
who have no need of more specific knowledge.

Millions of non-scientists were taught that electrons circle around the
nucleus of an atom like planets around the sun.  Scientists, however,
need to know the truth, and will deny this.  Personally, I would tend
trust the scientific definition rather than the layman's definition.  

>Now, if you were using the Pat Robertson Revisionist Dictionary, then I
>guess I see where your problem is.

>Oops!  Boy, it's easy to make Paul look bad.

>>>>Having sex is exactly the same thing.  Once you have CHOSEN (pro-choice?)
>>>>to have sex, you must grow up and be responsible for the result of that
>>>>action.

>>>Getting an abortion is one way of taking responsibility if that action results
>>>in an unwanted pregnancy.

>>Call it what it is.  It is avoiding responsibility.  It is also murder.

>No, dweeb, in no state of the U.S. is it murder.  In no state in the
>U.S. is abortion illegal.  It's not going to change.  Splatter spittle
>as you will, you are not facing up to, or living in, reality.

AGAIN!  This same thing has been said and I have replied.  Don't waste
my time, and every else's with this.  But, to reiterate for Mr. Novak,
I will again state that I recognize the LEGAL definition of murder
does not include abortion.  I have never stated that I believe this will
change.  Abortion WOULD be illegal in some states were it not for the
judicial legislation of Roe v Wade.  

Oh yeah... real mature name calling.

>I've never seen such a monolithic block of boneheaded liars as the
>pro-"life" contingent here on t.a.  You lie, get caught, ignore getting
>caught, lie again, get caught...

Show me ONE lie I have told.

>You should be named "The Energizer Weenies - they just keep on
>bullshitting!"

Wow.  You are just too clever for me.  I yield.  

>If you have a problem with women having sex, say so.  Claiming that a
>pregnancy from failed birth control or ignorance of birth control 
>constitutes forced birth for a woman is misogynic and thick-skulled.

>Maybe you could invent an artificial womb, Crocodile Tears, and bring to
>term all the fetuses you whine about.                          

>>I now know you don't know anything about prenatal development.

>This from the guy that knows nothing about when an embryo becomes a
>fetus.

My definition is sound and documented with a very credible source.  Grow up.  

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>| Steve Novak |    |"Wacker the K"| 
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>steven@advtech.USWest.Com


Have a nice day.


Edward Simmonds



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