From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: No Wonder <U53644> Is In Such A Mess: Forged 'Hitler' Quote.
Date: 20 Jul 92 21:09:37 GMT





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>Hasan, you refer to the slaughter of the Jewish people by the Armenians, and
>try to claim them as allies. As a Jew, I demand that you cease this immediately

Ah, those poor naive revisionists? During World War II Armenians were carried 
away with the German might and cringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that 
zeal, the Armenian publication in Germany, Hairenik, carried statements as 
follows:[1]

"Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews)
 when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it 
 becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon
 method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical
 operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing." 

Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews -
extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San
Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published
in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian.

 "...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities
  against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the 
  murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian 
  neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish 
  and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and
  see the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors...
  Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise 
  to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would 
  help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of
  the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian!
  I don't need your bias."  

  Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.

[1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian
    Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:
    June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.

>We have not forgotten what Adolf Hitler himself said when others in Germany
>feared the reaction of the world to what he was doing.
>              "Who remembers the Armenians ?"

Just love it. Well, apparently we have another son of Dro 'the Hitlerian' to 
contend with. Where shall I begin? The reference of Hitler is proven 
to be a forgery by no other than Armenians themselves. I recommend anyone 
to read Thursday, August 2, 1984 issue of 'Armenian Reporter' ('Historian 
of Armenian Descent Says Frequently Used Hitler Quote is Nothing But a
Forgery.') The minutes of the August 22, 1939, Obersalzberg meeting kept 
by Admiral Boehm were submitted as evidence at Nuremberg in defense of 
Admiral Raeder. As such they are part of the trial transcript and appear 
in Volume XLI of 'Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International 
Military Tribunal' (TMWC), Nuremberg, November 14, 1945 - October 1, 1946, 
pp. 16-25 (New York: AMS Press, 1971). Boehm's minutes were marked as 
'Document Raeder - 27' (August 22, 1939).

The documents confiscated from the OKW (Oberkommando der Wehrmact - High 
Command of the Armed Forces) were two in number. They were accepted by the 
Nuremberg prosecutors as the official minutes of the August 22, 1939 
Obersalzberg meeting. As such they are preserved as part of the trial 
transcript: TMWC, Volume II (New York: AMS Press, 1971), pp. 285-293. Given 
the trial numbers of US-29 (798-PS) and US-30 (1014-PS), respectively, these 
documents were also published in 'Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression' (NCA). 
There, US-29 (798-PS) appears in Volume III, pp. 581-596, and US-30 (1014-PS) 
in the same volume on pp. 665-666. Likewise, they appear in 'Documents on 
German Foreign Policy,' 1918-1945, Series D (1937-1945), Volume VII 
(Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1956) (DGFP), pp. 200-206.

"Excerpts from the Nuremberg Versions of the August 22, 1939, Obersalzberg
 Speech Dealing with the Planned Invasion of Poland"

Sources:

US-30 (1014-PS)
TMWC, Vol. II, pp. 290-291.
NCA, Vol. III, pp. 665-666.
DGFP, Vol. VII, pp. 205-206.

"Destruction of Poland in the foreground. The aim is elimination of living
 forces, not the arrival at a certain line: Even if war should break out
 in the West, the destruction of Poland shall be the primary objective.
 Quick decision because of the season. I shall give a propagandistic
 cause for starting the war - never mind whether it be plausible or not.
 The victor shall not be asked, later on, whether we told the truth or
 not. In starting and making a war, not the Right is what matters but
 Victory.

 Have no pity. Brutal attitude. 80 million people shall get what is 
 their right. Their existence has to be secured. The strongest has
 the right. Greatest severity.

 Quick decision necessary. Unshakable faith in German soldier. A crisis
 may happen only if the nerves of the leaders give way.

 First aim: advance to the Vistula and Narew. Our technical superiority
 will break the nerve of the Poles. Every newly created Polish force
 shall again be broken at once. Constant war of attrition.

 New German frontier according to healthy principles. Possibly a
 protectorate as a buffer. Military operations shall not be influenced
 by these reflections. Complete destruction of Poland is a military
 aim. To be fast is the main thing. Pursuit until complete elimination."

Not a word about the Armenian hoax.

Sources:

Boehm. August 22, 1939
TMWC, Vol. XLI, p. 25.

and

Halder, August 22, 1939
DGFP, Vol. VII, p. 559.

The real purpose of the usage of the forged Hitler quote by the Armenian
propagandists is to divert attention from the Armenian genocide of the 
Jews during WWI and WWII.

In 1941, while the Jews were being assembled for their doom in the Nazi
concentration camps, the Armenian volunteers in Germany formed the first
Armenian battalion to fight alongside the Nazis. In 1943, this battalion 
had grown into eight battalions of 20,000-strong under the command of the
former guerilla leader Dro (the butcher), who was the former dictator of the
short-lived Armenian Dictatorship (1918-1920) and the architect of the Turkish
genocide. An Armenian National Council was formed by the notorious Dashnak 
Party leaders in Berlin, which was recognized by the Nazis. Encouraged by 
this, the Armenians summarily formed a provisional government that endorsed 
and espoused fully the principles of the Nazis and declared themselves as the 
members of the Aryan super race and full participants to Hitler's policy of 
extermination of the Jews.

This Armenian-Nazi conspiracy against the Jews during WWII was an "encore"
performance staged by the Armenians during WWI, when they back-stabbed and
exterminated the Turks by colluding with the invading Russian army.

 Source: "Mitteilungsblatt, Berlin, December 1939, Nr. 2 and 5-6"

 Yet another historical fact: a fact that for years has been deliberately 
 forgotten, concealed, and wiped from memory - the fact of Armenian-Nazi 
 collaboration.

 A magazine called Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft
 is the clearest and most definite proof of this collaboration. The 
 magazine was first published in Berlin in 1938 during Nazi rule of Germany
 and continued publication until the end of 1944. Even the name of the
 magazine, which implies a declaration of Armenian-Nazi cooperation,
 is attention-getting.

 This magazine, every issue of which proves the collaboration, is historically
 important as documentary evidence. It is a heap of writing that should be
 an admonition to world opinion and to all mankind. Every issue embroiders
 the themes of enmity towards Turkey and towards Turks.

 In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and certain
 political, economic, and social rights were thus granted to them. They 
 occupied positions in public service and were partners in Nazi practices.
 The whole world of course knows what awaited those who were not considered 
 "Aryan" and what befell them.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)