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From: baxter@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Baxter)
Subject: Re: Road Racer
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:15:55 GMT

Good Luck George!!!!!!!!!!

		Your going to need it :-)
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From: edo@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Ed Overacker)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:39:24 GMT
Subject: Re: SuperX results????
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
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The final SX Race (LA) will be shown on ESPN on Aug 10 at 10pm PDT.
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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: Bike Suggestions?
Keywords: New Bike Advice Wanted
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:14:09 GMT
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> From: donald@dvinci.USask.Ca (David Donald)
> Subject: Bike Suggestions?
> 
> To: George C., Ken M., Mike B. and the World at large:
> 
> I am going to be out of school ( and thus no longer POOR!!! :) ) in the next 

	What, you mean there are still jobs waiting for those straight out
	of school?.....actually, that isn't funny...

> 
> RMX 250 - I think I could get used to it and then install the closed course 
>           kit when I am back up to speed.

	RMX's are really popular in Oz. and are mostly ridden by good
	trailriders and mid pack enduro guys. They rarely feature on the
	outright results though. 

	I've had a couple of rides and they are fine. They have that
	unmistakeable Suzuki feel that I personally love. Great suspension
	stock and, with the go slow bits removed, they get up and haul.
	They are light and flickable yet still stable when you get some
	open tracks. They also have more bottom end power than a WR250,
	but lose out on the top end...but you hate Yamahas anyway...
> 
> DR 350 - Same deal, but once used to it I would consider going for the White 
>          Brothers (So-cal guys for you Aussies) DR 441 big-bore kit and                  and suspension re-valving.
	
	These again are popular but I think it's because there's not much
	else to choose from. Again, they feel like a Suzuki and the rear
	end is better than the front. I've only read about how good the
	mods are that you mention, but they cost more $$$....It's pretty 
	heavy too...

	If ya really like a 4 stroke, this one won't dissapoint you.
> 
> XR 250 - I wonder about the power of this.  Can it be made fast?  What's                 reliability like if you do that?

	You might see a couple of these with suspension and a 280cc kit in
	our enduros. Really popular play bike. Power wise though,
	they're not really inspiring, even with the 280cc kit and cam etc.
	It's a "nice" bike as my mum would say, and generally, quick through 
	the woods because of the tame power (you just keep it WFO) and now 
	they are quite bullet proof. If you do a lot of tight woods
	riding, nothing beats an XR250's fast turning manners.

	I congratulate you for not suggesting MXers (here comes a flame
	war....) because stock, they are too noisy for the woods.

	I reckon you'll have most fun on the RMX....

	As for KTM's and Husky's, I think they are better bikes than the
	ones you are considering if you are a quick rider. Check out the
	parts availability in your area and make sure that the dealer
	knows what he's talking about. You won't need any go fast bits for
	these bikes and they already come with top quality fittings.

	Happy hunting! 
	George Couyant.
From: ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (George Grevera)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Smokin' 2-Strokes and Crank Seals
Date: 29 Jul 92 13:12:00 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hi.  I think I have a bad seal as this engine puts out a wall of smoke.
It's a 2-stroke with injector. I hope that the injector pump isn't causing
the problem.  I believe that it's a seal because it didn't smoke too much
before I bought it.  When I got it home, I changed the oil and found a
greenish milky sludge in it.  I called up the creep who sold it to me
and he said that he used an "additive."  (Yeah like motor honey - guaranteed
to take the bearing rap and smoke out of your engine until the other guy gets
it home or you money back.)  After that, it started to smoke.

Is this a big job?  I've never done this before.  I have the factory service
manual but it doesn't have a lot of info in it.  Any thoughts or comments
would be appreciated.  Thanks.

George
ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu
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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: Road Racer
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 06:58:50 GMT
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> From: oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor)
> Subject: Re: Road Racer
> 
> Well George, I ain't no road racer, but here's a couple of things I've
> overheard at the (road) track:
> 
> 1.  Only dirt bikes need rear brakes.  Road racers may leave their rear
>     brakes at home.  (I must mention that I have a hard time swallowing
>     this.  Seems to me that if you want to outbrake somebody, you should 
>     bring your brakes, your brother's, and your next door neighbors. : )

	Yeah, that's what they tell me. It's going to be hard not going
	for the big rear brake slide into the first corner...All I've done
	with the brakes is gone for a slightly bigger diameter, thicker,
	solid front disk and got a hold of really _hard_ compound racing
	pads which I've cut, filed and drilled to fit the standard
	caliper. The thing feels like it will stand on the front wheel at
	any speed though the lever pressure required is a bit higher than
	standard. I have no idea how it will handle lots of abuse though..
	Only one way to find out though.....(Now I lay me down to
	sleep.....)

> 2.  From turn in to apex, it's ALL front wheel.  From apex to exit, it's
>     ALL rear wheel.  Sounds logical to me.  Also sounds like concentration
>     may come into play.

	I've also been told that big balls help too..

> 3.  Bring kneepads.

	Yup, and bandages....

> 4.  Check will.

	That's the first thing my wife said....funny that..

> 
> There'll be more than one of us waiting to hear.  You may even get
> requests for detailed desc. of the preping.  Good luck mate.

	Man I've got a shit load of info on what I've done so far. I've
	even take notes of settings, geometry etc of the things I think I
	may need to change....

	Thanks for the good wishes everyone....There are a couple of
	guys here that are ready to move into my office on Monday... Well,
	they think it's funny....

	Cheers
	George Couyant
From: Kenneth_Ferguson@rand.org (Ken Ferguson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: pipes
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:39:55 GMT
     <1992Jul23.073925.577@skitzo.dseg.ti.com>
Organization: RAND
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1a2



    Frampton; Definitly give uncle Donnie a call. I think you will find
that the
FMF  GOLD SERIES pipes are the best as far as Suzukis go. According to
the Dirt
Bike Mag. tests The FMF pipe gave a boost in power throughout the entire
power range. Like I said before I am a PRO CIRCUIT advocate and I believe
that PC makes the best pipes for Hondogs, which is what I ride. But the
only way I
have been passed by a Suzuki is with FMF power, and they ran away from me.

    What you decide on is your business but take into consideration all
the
published specs by the various M/C magazines, thats what there out there
for. Another consideration is the type of riding or racing that you do. If
you are a Moto Crosser you will want a certain power band that will suit
your level of riding. If you are a trail rider you will want a broader
range 
of power, so that you can power out of sticky situations such as uphill
switchbacks from low speed etc.

      I used to run an FMF CR 125 in the 125 Pro class and it was without
a doubt the fastest bike on the track period. Now if only I could have
ridden
it fast enough for a championship, but that's all water under the bridge
now.

          Ken Ferguson
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From: dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)
Subject: Re: YIPEEEEE!
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:58:20 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.021905.10118@convex.com> couyant@convex.com (George Couyant) writes:
>>      >>> Thought I had to run from a copper late Saturday night, but I
>
>	You weren't on the YZ were you?....Riding on the road?...Very
>	naughty....I'm not impressed my boy.....

       Nah, no lights on that baby, and it's too loud for my little
   neighborhood anyway.  I only ride the YZ on the road from the house
   to the woods, and keep it down... but you can hear me when I'm back
   there diggin' it up!  I was on the XL, and it was wet out;  I just
   wasn't in the `mood' to talk to him.  Turns out he never turned his
   rollers on anyway, so his flashing headlights meant he was headed
   somewhere else in the fog and wanted visibility.

       Besides, you're the 'roo-chaser with all the street-legal dirt
   monsters!  I'm fixin' to read that post next. ( <-- Texas talk :)


     jed --  YZ490 / XL125 / WaveRunner 500 / more in the works / AMA
--
           Jim Dunne 	dunne@rtsg.mot.com    ...uunet!motcid!dunne
 All statements are merely opinions, yet are corroborated by a .357 magnum.
From: ciotti@wk42.nas.nasa.gov (Robert B. Ciotti)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.dirt
Subject: Re: Road Racer
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:57:46 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <1992Jul22.041419.6381@convex.com> couyant@convex.com (George Couyant) writes:
>
>Well, this weekend will see project CRRR500 (That's CR(R)oad (R)ace 500) 
>hit the track. I'm entered at a local track in the novice "run what ya

 Sounds like a scarry SOB! I would go with the steering stabilizer as
recommended by others. Also I would suggest a flywheel weight too, you 
definitely don't want a 'hit' as you are cornering through a turn, even if
you don't break loose, it will cause a lean angle change in the turn when 
you want to be flowing and smooth.

I also think you need to change the name to a CR500RR. I priced a CBR900RR
the other day at a local Honda shop, they wanted about $9300 out the door.
What an awesome bike - I *want* one. The only problem is that even now
on my VF500F Interceptor - *fun* only starts to happen at the speedlimit + 
30mph.  With a CBR900RR, thats likely to be more like +50. 

 bob

>If you don't hear from me next week, I'm in hospital...

ARG! Just be sure to don all of the appropriate gear - don't forget the
spine protector! And they say that as long as you don't start to tumble,
you will be fine - but once you start tumbling, I guess that can be bad news.
Shoot, the worst that is likely to happen is that you will decide to amputate 
your fingernail because you want to get out there and race it again next 
weekend! ;)

 Bob C.
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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Aussie 4 day DNF's
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:13:06 GMT
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I dug up some of the facts and figures from our 4 day enduro. It was
supposed to be a good warm up for the ISDE here in a couple of months, but
the special tests were mostly bush tracks instead of the MX style we'll
see in the ISDE.

	The DNF rates were:

	Make	2 St	4 St	Overall
	---------------------------------
	Honda	50%	33%	38%
	Husky	30%	43%	33%
	K'saki	41%	--	41%
	KTM	50%	0%	47%
	Suzuki	21%	0%	20%
	Yamaha	36%	33%	36%

	Top 10 by make were:

	1. KTM300
	2. Husky 250
	3. Suzuki RMX250
	4. Kawasaki KX250
	5. Husky 610
	6. Honda XR600
	7. Husky 360
	8. Honda XR630 - Geoff Ballard (if you can remember that far back)
	9. Honda XR600
	10.Kawasaki KX250

	I found it amazing that there were 4 open class 4 Strokes in the
	top 10. A lot of this was in tight woods! Most of these bikes are
	relatively stock (except for Ballard's)...

	Can't wait for the ISDE! .....We Aussies are hoping for dry
	weather...If it's wet, the tracks will murder half the field (and
	most of the Aussies, 'cause we hate the wet..)

	Cheers all
	George C.

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From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: Smokin' 2-Strokes and Crank Seals
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:25:32 GMT

In article <84719@netnews.upenn.edu> ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (George Grevera) writes:
>Hi.  I think I have a bad seal as this engine puts out a wall of smoke.
>It's a 2-stroke with injector. I hope that the injector pump isn't causing
>the problem.

It could be.  Some pumps are known to have their metering gizmo
stick in the fully-open (or full-closed) position.  If yours was
stuck, you'd be getting the full oil flow that's suitable for full
throttle/high rpms all the time.  If you idle it for a while, then
take the barrel(s) off, there'll be a bunch of oil in the cases.

A leaky seal will suck oil from the primary case.  Is that the oil
that you changed and found goop in?  If it started smoking right after
you get rid of the goop, then that's probably it.  After you stomp
the sleazy dog who sold you the bike, you'll need to split the
cases to get the crank out and take off the seal.

What kind of bike is it?


--
Eric Murray   ericm@microunity.com   Ride fast, die young, wear black leather.
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From: oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Road Racer
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:00:58 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, University of Maryland, College Park
Originator: oconnor@coffee.eng.umd.edu


Mark Joseph Andy <ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>The reason that you don't need rear brakes is that with the current
>frame geometrys of race/sport bikes, max braking with the front will
>lift the rear off the ground or lighten it to the point where it's
>useless.

This makes good sense.  I use to play with lifting my rear wheel
off the ground using the front brake on my Yamaha Radian.  It's
kinda fun.  With little to no weight on it, the rear is just
along for the ride.

Rarely do I load the front brake in MX to the point the rear is
weightless.  Come close here and there, but I find my rear brake
as handy as the front in MX.  I think it is Blaine who does the
front brake locks and slides.  He probably does a 2:1 or 3:1
front to rear pad replacement riding like that.  I seem to be 
closer to a 1:1 kinda guy.

*Mark OConnor      Aerospace Engineering      University of Maryland*
*'90 CR250R        AMA District 7 Vet #90     MB Racing Group       *
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From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Road Racer
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 14:19:12 GMT

couyant@convex.com (George Couyant) writes:
>> From: dunne@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Dunne)

>>     Mixing it up with G00F2s and the like?  What kind of track are we
>>     talking about?  Seems like you could be competitive, but wouldn't
>>     the streeters have a healthy advantage?

>	Well, this is where we have a lot of contention...I reckon that
>	something that weighs 100kg with 60+hp has got to be competitive
>	as long as it can brake and go around a corner. I've chosen a
>	track that will suit this bike. It's tight with short straights.

You've picked the right kind of track. At last year's Steamboat,
Colorado races, one of the races was an odd mixed class. Memorable
entries included two liter-sized BMW twins, a mid/early '80s CB900F, a
Rotax single in a flyweight racing frame, a YZ490 engine in a similar
frame, and an antique AJS single.

Steamboat is a tight track laid out on the streets by the ski resort
hotels & condos. The 900 Honda started about 3rd and steadily faded to
the middle of the pack. The two BMWs took the lead early, but the two
modern singles started in the middle of the pack and moved up steadily
the whole race. The real surprise to me was the AJS, it won the race,
and by a good margin too. I think a BMW was second, with the other two
singles right behind.

You've got the motor and the light weight, good luck sorting out the
chassis.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: Road Racer
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:03:23 GMT
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> From: ciotti@wk42.nas.nasa.gov (Robert B. Ciotti)
> Subject: Re: Road Racer
> 
> 
> I also think you need to change the name to a CR500RR. I priced a CBR900RR

	It's already been changed to CR500RR! We made up some stickers
	last night...just to fool anyone stupid enough to take it
	literally. Hee hee hee...

> on my VF500F Interceptor - *fun* only starts to happen at the speedlimit + 
> 30mph.  With a CBR900RR, thats likely to be more like +50. 

	Yea, an old riding buddy of mine used to have the same problem. He
	always had the newest, fastest road bike in his garage and was
	for ever in trouble with the police, especially since they 
	introduced speeding cameras here (they take your photo along with
	speed, date, time etc...). You don't know you've been booked until
	you see it in the mail....at least you can get a nice 8"x10"
	glossy if you want..His solution was to buy a new Fat Boy....He
	loves it!
> 
> ARG! Just be sure to don all of the appropriate gear - don't forget the
> spine protector! And they say that as long as you don't start to tumble,

	I've got all the right stuff (borrowed) but don't have a spine
	protector....good idea. Thanks

> Shoot, the worst that is likely to happen is that you will decide to amputate 
> your fingernail because you want to get out there and race it again next 
> weekend! ;)

	....Hmmmm that last comment is a bit too close to me for comfort
	....I broke my big toe a few years ago and was in _serious_
	pain for a couple of years (Awwww, it was character building..).
	I came very close to turning up at the local hospital and telling 
	them to chop it off...The toe still troubles me and even
	now if I hit it and compress the joint,..well, let's say that half
	the suburb knows about it....though it doesn't hurt as much as the
	other ankle, but that's another story..... ;)    Beer helps...

	Cheers and thanks for the advice!
	George C.
From: slv42@cc.usu.edu
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Subject: Re: Tires for Rocks?
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:14:00 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

From Dennis Kirk the Cheng Shin Bermaster (17") is $41 and the Pirelli MT 21 
Rallycross is $58.  Both 18" tires are cheaper. The (3'rd hand) DB mag report
seems to think the Pirelli's will last a bit longer, and stick a LOT better.
I must admit that before I saw that summary, I was a Cheng Shin buyer myself.
If you don't care about performance, it seems the Grand Sport GS-10 is better
deal than the Cheng Shin.  It had the least $/mile.

Eric Poulson          slv42@cc.usu.edu          KLR 250
 
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From: garyb@pdx015 (Gary Brown)
Subject: Re: Honda Win's (again)
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 20:01:42 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.135327.5496@bnr.ca> chess1@bnr.ca (Pete Abovyan) writes:
>
>He is the only rider capable of starting dead last and roosting his way to
>the front * **

   Well, almost the only rider..  Jeremy McGrath did just that in the 125
   class (I forget where) broadcast on ESPN about a month ago.  It was
   awesome, he flew past 'em all..

   Gary Brown
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From: hvozda@wilbur.psu.edu (Eric Hvozda)
Subject: Re: chain delima
Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 01:32:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul17.014613.21091@convex.com> couyant@convex.com (George Couyant) writes:
>	If you're not after the last bit of suspension performance, a
>	heavier steel rear sprocket is the only way to go. You'd never
>	believe how long they last until you try one. Mind you, I use
>	stock Yamaha sprockets on the TT600 and I've just changed one that
>	has lasted 4 years!...and it's done some serious work in that
>	time! I've got alloys on all the 2 strokes 'cause they look
>	better....

The bike was a Yamaha TY250; a trials bike.  suspension was the least of
my cares :-)  That's why u stand up right? :-)

It had a 428 chain tho :-( 

One day it ripped all the teeth off of my new sprocket because it was on 
the loose side of the chain spec :-(

The sprocket it ate was a Yamaha OEM replacement.  Like I said, steel was
my freind after that.

I've always wondered if a O-ring chain would have helped.  I'll never know,
the bike threw a rear wheel bearing and toasted the rear hub.

I have yet to find a replacement :-(
-- 
Ack!                             esh101@psuvm.psu.edu             ESH101@PSUVM
hvozda@vivaldi.psu.edu           hvozda@wilbur.psu.edu            DoD #0217
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From: couyant@convex.com (George Couyant)
Subject: Re: It was a long week today.
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 03:06:00 GMT
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> From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
> Subject: Re: It was a long week today.
> 
> : 	You guys are crazy! I love it! Wait 'til I tell my brother...He
> : 	hates logs.
>      
>      Hey George, don't group us all in one lump.  I'm SURE Jeff was speaking
>      for riders of bht's. (BigHeavyThumpers).  I personally love riding over
>      logs.  They seperate the men^H^H^Hthumpers from the strokers. :) :)

	He he heeee, got ya there...My brother is a 2 stroke addict..He
	hates 4 strokes and gets *really* upset when I roost him with the
	TT600.....Mind you, he catches up on the really tight stuff...

	I love logs! I've been known to spend half an hour making ramps
	over the big ones....Heaps better than wasting time and energy trying 
	to get around them or finding a different route.  I must admit
	though that flying around a sweeping bend only to be confronted by
	one of natures fallen oxygen makers can be disconcerting.....

	Cheers mate
	George C.

>      logs.  They seperate the men^H^H^Hthumpers from the strokers. :) :)
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Ken, you've just got to do something about your backspace key. 
	We can all see that you really associate men with thumpers... ;-)

	Try putting an stty erase  into one of your startup files....
	oh, it is a unix box isn't it?

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