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From: franklin@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (John Franklin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Tandy Unveils 16-Million-Color CD-ROM Multimedia system
Date: 24 Dec 92 02:18:22 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

In article <BzKqr1.JCy@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>In article <BzKosp.2zF@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) says most sayishly:
>>  Tandy has finally announced their new desktop MPC-compatible computer system
>>with a 16-million-color display and CD-ROM drive as standard hardware.
>
>Good, go announce it in comp.sys.ibm.graphics or something.
>  
>>   It looks like Commodore really is going to be the last major personal
>>computer company to bring out a desktop computer with a CD-ROM drive.  Really
>>pathetic.
>
>If all you can do is degrade and insult C=, what the hell are you doing
>here?

Now, he does have a point, although he is a bit misinformed.  C= already
has a CD-ROM drive that does conform to industry standards.  The CD-ROM
doesn't come with any particular Amiga model, but then Amiga's don't have
a need for that much storage.  Yes, you can get CD-ROMs with a bazillion
gifs on it, or an encyclopedia, or every Fred Fish disk.  The last one
is the only really useful one that I can think of.

IBM machines have programs that come on many disks.  WordPerfect 5.1 comes
on 6 DD.  A game a friend of mine bought recently came on 10 HD.  IBMs
are on the verge of needing CD-ROMs just to store their programs on.  If
an Amiga game came on that many disks, I'd expect an awful lot from it.
The only game that I have seen on remotely that many disks was Dragon's
Lair: Escape from Singe's Castle <sp?>.  It was five disks, and, in
my opinion, a disappointment.

Commodore hasn't released a computer with a CD-ROM drive because they're
computers don't NEED a CD-ROM drive, but that doesn't mean that they
don't OFFER one.

jf
-- 
John Franklin
franklin@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
franklin@elfie.async.vt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Tandy Unveils 16-Million-Color CD-ROM Multimedia system
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 04:14:12 GMT

In article <72408@cup.portal.com> Tom_-_Obszanski@cup.portal.com writes:
>>Commodore hasn't released a computer with a CD-ROM drive because they're
>>computers don't NEED a CD-ROM drive, but that doesn't mean that they
>>don't OFFER one.
>>
>>jf
>>--
>>John Franklin
>>franklin@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
>>franklin@elfie.async.vt.edu
>>
>
>I strongly disagree with the statement that the Amiga doesn't need a CD-ROM
>drive.  More collections of images and text are becoming available on CD-ROM
>(as mentioned in some text I deleted) and we need access to them, just as
>any MAC or MS-DOS/Windows machine has - there's an awfully large amount of
>good raw data out there for us to use.  Secondly, PhotoCD from Kodak appears
>to require a CD-ROM drive if you want to get the images into a computer,
>including the Amiga (without having to hook a PhotoCD player up to a
>frame-grabber, a dumb solution IMHO).

   I agree that that would be a very dumb solution.  But it sounds like 
something Commodore would try to do to provide "Photo CD" support for the
Amiga.  A few weeks ago Commodore tried solving the problem of no Amiga
CD-ROM drives from Commodore by pushing this hack that involved connecting
a CDTV to an A3000 with a parallel cable.  Dumb, dumb, dumb.

>Fortunately, we don't have to wait for Commodore to come out with a CD-ROM
>drive for the Amiga.  There's a large number of drives that can be connected
>directly to your SCSI bus, and all you need to get them to work are the
>device drivers in the form of CD-ROM-FS, or other available package.  So
>basically, quit whining, buy a NEC, Sony, Toshiba, Chinon, or whatever kind
>of drive you want, as long as it's supported by your CD-ROM drivers.  That's
>what I'll be doing in a little while.  BTW, the newest Pioneer CD-ROM
>changer (with it's quadruple speed mode) works great on an Amiga 3000, I've
>seen it done.

   Unfortunately, there is very little you can actually do with an Amiga and
a CD-ROM drive right now.  Sure, you can buy the NASA discs and view lots of
pictures, but this amounts to little more than a slideshow.  There is very
little interaction with something like this.  And discs with static pictures
or static data are the only ones that are usable on an Amiga.  None of the
interactive CD-ROM products written for CD-I, Mac, or IBM  are usable on an
Amiga.  These discs have the data in a custom format, which would require
ports to the Amiga of large amounts of software or even parts of operating
systems to use this data.  And discs like these make up the bulk of CD-ROM
discs that are available.

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From: jwalkup@terapin.com (Jeff Walkup)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: RE: Babylon 5
Date: 27 Dec 92 22:59:59 PST
Organization: BBS

Hmm... here in S.F. I don't think we're getting Babylon 5... is it
supposed to be on Fox?

I've seen the promos for "Time Trax", the new "Kung Fu" (snore), and
"Star Trek: DS9", on the same channel that has ST:TNG (not Fox), but
nothing about Babylon 5 anywhere.

--
Jeff Walkup <jwalkup@terapin.com>  Amiga Video Guy - San Francisco
          "Too much information, runnin thru my brain."
From: dickie@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Garth Dickie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: ADPro ARexx batch program...
Keywords: Batch program for ADPro
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:39:41 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics

miker@tpsunserv1.Prime.COM (Mike Roberts) writes:

>Does anyone know of a bach file handeling program for ADPro?  

>I am in need of a program (ARexx I assume since it talks to ADPro) that will use a 
>list of GIF file names within a logfile to feed ADPro in generating HAM files.  Does this
>make sense to anyone?

Sure it makes since. The program you want is called FRED.

It has been shipping with ADPro since ADPro 2.1.0.

It lets you create lists (or sequences) of images quickly and easily
(via point and click) and run arbitrary ARexx scripts on each
frame.

 - joe porkka  

Cal ASDG (608) 273-6585 for more info.
From: aa794@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pete Nofel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Advice on Video Editing System needed
Date: 2 Jan 1993 00:06:45 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa794@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pete Nofel)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, dcr3567@ultb.isc.rit.edu (D.C. Richardson) says:

>
>L-O people...
>
>I'm in the market for a video set-up to compliment my 4000.  It's been
>a while since I've been in the business, so I'm a bit out of date on 
>my knowledge...

[massive deletions]

>Thanks for the help,
>Daniel C. Richardson

After having spent a frustrating two years trying to do 3D animation using
an accelerated 2500 and two Panasonic AG-1960 S-VHS decks all I can relate
to you is what *not* to do.

If all you have is $10K, spend it on a VTR capable of
single-frame-recording and a single-frame-recorder controller card.

Unless the 4000 plays rendered 3D frames at 30 fps, you will not be happy
with the restrictions imposed by other types of decks. For instance:

To get satisfactory 3D animations we use a 2500 with an '030 accelerator,
Lightwave, DCTV, and DPaint IV. Given the preference between the 1/2" S-VHS
and the old 3/4", we use the 3/4" because the image holds up much better as
you go down a generation or two.

We don't get 30 fps. We also have to be very careful with delta (the number
of pixels changing between each image) between frames or things slow down
to below satisfactory animation.

If we had it to do over again -- and my cheapo company was willing to give
us the tools we need -- we'd go with older 3/4" equipment that has
time-code capable editing and single-frame recording capabilities. Why?
S-VHS reproduction between two 1960s is only a shade better than between
consumer-level VHS decks.

More than any other equipment, you get what you pay for in video. Go for
the best rather than for the most.

BTW, most of the video magazines I read recently say Hi8 have better
initial quality than S-VHS, but it goes to hell even faster than S-VHS when
you start dubbing down.

However . . . I only know this stuff from first hand experience with what
we've got. Other, more expert than I, may have better info.

Good luck.

-- 
Pete Nofel, aa794, primary sysop
It's a Mystery - The Mystery Literature Group
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: Re: AGA anim speed
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:22:52 GMT

Jeff_Holinski@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeff Holinski) writes:

>I had one Amiga dealer tell me that the 4000 has a "page mode" for
>animations. It's supposed to be capable of 2000 pages/second. Of coures this
>is un-compressed animation playing from ram: so you'd need 10 to 30 megs to
>make it usefull.
>Personally I'm a little skepical. I've never heard of this "page mode" and I
>can't see ANY personal computer having the bandwidth to run an animation at
>2000 frames/second.

I suppose that if you could have 2000 frames set up in chip mem
then you could simply change screens that quick.  Yet I don't see that
happening anytime in the near future.

Martin

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Martin Black)
Subject: Re: Mpeg Player on amiga.physik requires Xwindows?? What use??
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:21:53 GMT

Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:

>>Does anyone know how fast an Mpeg anim would play on an 040 machine
>>(accelerated A3000, perhaps)? not real time I bet.
>>
>>=-=-=-=---===-===-==-=-====-=-=-=-==--===-=-====------=-=====---=-=-==---==-=-
>>  Bob Burdeau - Soon-to-be-famous artist       >  You can do anything     <
>> mail: bburdeau@redorc.chi.il.us               <  if you try enough.      >
>>                                               >                          <
>>=-=--==--=-=-=-======-=-=-=-==--=---=-=-=-=-===--=-=-=-====--==-===-=-=-==-==-

>I tried the latest Amiga mpeg_play program with a number of different
>MPEG movies in a number of different graphics modes on an Amiga 4000
>at Creative Computers and consistantly got between 3 and 4 frames
>per second. Hopefully this player software can be further bashed
>into submission by its developer (or someone else who has the code)
>to make it a bit faster. The rumor mill sez one of CBM's guys is
>working towards that end. I hope that's true. 

Well the last release of the mpeg_play the porter said he was getting
about 5.3fps.  And to that rumor of a cbm guy, that comes from a cbm guy
on the net saying he might look into optimizing it a bit.  If I had a copy
of his post I could quote, yet he sounded like he was going to look into
it.

And to that note, I understand with the 040+dsp card due late spring,
I understand that there is sufficient amount of math routines on the dsp
that with help you should get your 30fps fairly easily.  Perhaps enough
free processor time on the dps to get 2 channels free for sound simultaneous

Martin

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: I found "Amiga" Mentioned on a Kodak Survey!
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 14:56:40 GMT

In <BzwpDA.3s2@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   The pressure should not be placed on Kodak, the pressure should be placed
>on Commodore.  Kodak cannot write the AmigaOS modifications and additions
>necessary to fully support Photo CD on the Amiga.  And Kodak cannot bring out
>multisession Amiga CD-ROM drives to allow Amiga owners to view Photo CD discs
>in conjunction with the OS additions to support it.

You are hopeless.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
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From: blackbelt@cup.portal.com (Ben - Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: Imagemaster and Abekas?
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 11:46:30 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <2151@celia.UUCP>

Neil Richmond,

No - no tin the near future. Your best bet here would indeed be AdPro2
and any optional packs that might be needed for that format. Good luck with
it!

Ben
From: miller@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Geoffrey M. Miller)
Subject: Problems with Rend24 1.05 & GIF files
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 09:05:59 GMT

Rend24 1.05 is a very fast "do it all" program when it comes to graphics,
and I love it except for a few quirks I haven't been ab;e to solve.

All I want to use the program for is to view GIF and JPG files, but on
many GIF files the output is scrambled... is this due to the fact that
some of the pics do not have horizontal and vertical resolutions that
are divisible by 8 as was mentioned in the docs?  On several GIF files
the program actually GURUS!  It seems like such a trivial thing is causing
major problems on such a fine tuned program... and the author says this
is the last version!  Why do all the other programs that I've read GIF
files perfectly and this one can't?  Am I doing something wrong?

If there is no answer, I'd appreciate hearing of another program that can
do the following things...

1. view .gif and .jpg files in HAM mode and DCTV in their standard 
   resolutions and scaled to 640x400

2. be able to be called from Directory Opus to work on multiple files
   (command line interface calls)

I really just want to figure out what I'm doing wrong with Rend24... I like
all its features!

Geoff 
Miller ... University of Illinois
.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: iguana@nmt.edu (Shawn Clever)
Subject: Source for GIF -> iff converter???
Keywords: What is the thing called?
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 09:15:11 GMT


I know this has been asked a bajillion times before, but I'm an idiot,
so I hope someone will indulge me a bit.

I am looking for a good, reliable PD GIF to iff converter.  It's got to run
on 1.3 since I am too cheap to upgrade to 2.0   I have checked nic.funet.fi
and the wuarchive, but I can't seem to find it (probably because I don't
know the name it is saved under.)  


Can some cool amiga dude/dudette out there help me find it?


Thanks a mil.   Please email me your answer to save bandwidth.


Shawn Clever
iguana@nmt.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: koren@fc.hp.com (Steve Koren)
Subject: Re: more on AGA anim utilities
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 05:41:24 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5

>  The AnimLab program for Scala MM200 should fill the bill. It will
>  let you create ANIM5's which support AGA and can playback with 

Sounds good.  Any idea of what the pricetag will be?  I don't need all
the rest of the stuff that comes with Scala, but if they sold just the
above animation program for a fairly cheap price, I'd buy one in a
minute.

  - steve
From: jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: ASDG - Never Again
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 17:40:17 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: is sometimes desirable

In article <72242@cup.portal.com>, Ben - Williams writes:

> Dale,
> 
> Considering your message re scanner support, you'll be happy to know that
> we're on the verge of releasing scanner support (beginning with the ES300)
> in Imagemaster. It will come with the main package at no charge, and it
> WILL work with the custom cable that came with your current scanner
> package, so no more $$$ to spend there.
> 
> I think you'll really like the scanner software; it was written by
> Metadigm, and is both stylish and highly functional.

So, does yours disable interrupts or do other multitasking unfriendly things?


                                                Jim Pritchett


UUCP:  rwsys.lonestar.org!caleb!jdp
 or    utacfd.uta.edu!rwsys!caleb!jdp
From: eeb@pro-freedom.cts.com (Ed Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: ASDG - Never Again
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:52:29 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

> Considering your message re scanner support, you'll be happy to know that
> we're on the verge of releasing scanner support (beginning with the
> ES300) in Imagemaster.


Can we take this to mean that other scanners will soon be compatible with
Imagemaster?  If so, good news indeed.



        -=- Ed

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: cs4gp6au@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Lockie      RJ)
Subject: screen centering
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:39:58 GMT

	I can't seem to get screens centered on my 1960 monitor
running WB3 on an A1200. Does anybody know how to do this.
The screen is about 1 inch too far to the right. I've tried changing
the overscan positioning of the screen but in 640x400 there isn't
enough room to move it left any more. Can anyone help?
Thanks.
	Bob Lockie: cs4gp6au@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca
From: tomasa@dront.nada.kth.se (Tomas Arvidsson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
Subject: Re: I found "Amiga" Mentioned on a Kodak Survey!
Date: 28 Dec 92 02:11:48 GMT
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden

In <BzwpDA.3s2@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>In article <Paula_Lieberman.07pi@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:
>   The pressure should not be placed on Kodak, the pressure should be placed
>on Commodore.  Kodak cannot write the AmigaOS modifications and additions
>necessary to fully support Photo CD on the Amiga.  And Kodak cannot bring out
>multisession Amiga CD-ROM drives to allow Amiga owners to view Photo CD discs
>in conjunction with the OS additions to support it.

No OS modifiactions are neccessary and CD-ROM XA drives can be bought by 
almost anyone. A program to view and unpack the pictures is needed
though.

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: skank@iastate.edu (George L. Hall-Skank)
Subject: Re: babylon 5
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: comp
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 01:18:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.4255.10783@dosgate> "james kewageshig" <james.kewageshig@canrem.com> writes:
>cg82s85@instem.uucp (Chris Golchert) writes:
>
>CG>...Don't know if anyone else saw one, but I came home from work (about
>CG>12:15am) an caught the last half of an ad for the Babylon 5 series.  It was on
>CG>a local Detroit station though, I havn't seen ads on FOX where it's supposed
>CG>to be.  The Det station said comming in January and the move Toaster images
>CG>look a hell of a lot better than the great still that the mags are printing.

[Stuff deleted]

>I don't think you'll be seeing the commercial on Fox stations though,
>since Fox and Warner are in competition, and Warner is trying to start
>up their own channel the same way Fox did... 
>|   \ \//    ||    ||    ||                James Kewageshig              |\|


     Our local Fox station will be carrying B5, DS9, and Star Trek all at the
same time!  The B5 promo stuff I've seen looks great.
							--George

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Tandy Unveils 16-Million-Color CD-ROM Multimedia system
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 06:05:55 GMT

In article <Bzqrqn.Cvo@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> franklin@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (John Franklin) writes:
>In article <BzKqr1.JCy@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>>In article <BzKosp.2zF@news.iastate.edu>, barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) says most sayishly:
>>>  Tandy has finally announced their new desktop MPC-compatible computer system
>>>with a 16-million-color display and CD-ROM drive as standard hardware.
>>
>>Good, go announce it in comp.sys.ibm.graphics or something.
>>  
>>>   It looks like Commodore really is going to be the last major personal
>>>computer company to bring out a desktop computer with a CD-ROM drive.  Really
>>>pathetic.
>>
>>If all you can do is degrade and insult C=, what the hell are you doing
>>here?
>
>Now, he does have a point, although he is a bit misinformed.  C= already
>has a CD-ROM drive that does conform to industry standards.  The CD-ROM
>doesn't come with any particular Amiga model, but then Amiga's don't have
>a need for that much storage. 

   This kind of lack of vision by Amiga users is why I say that the Amiga is
no longer "the computer for the creative mind."  I can think of a lot of
applications that could be ported to the Amiga or made uniquely on the Amiga
if the Amiga has a large base of users with AGA Amigas and CD-ROM drives.
A port of the CD-ROM version of the "Star Trek 20th Anniversary Game" would be
nice.  A port of DataMax's CD-ROM tax preparation software would also be nice.

   Just be creative.  It is the people who have no sense of creativity or 
innovation whatsoever who cannot imagine uses of CD-ROM technology on the 
Amiga.

>IBM machines have programs that come on many disks.  WordPerfect 5.1 comes
>on 6 DD.  A game a friend of mine bought recently came on 10 HD.  IBMs
>are on the verge of needing CD-ROMs just to store their programs on. 

   How many disks does the Amiga SCALA software come on?  **15**.  How many
disks does the Amiga Video Toaster software come on?  **20**.  Some Video
Toaster picture libraries are being distributed on very costly removable hard
disk packs because they consume so much storage.  

> If
>an Amiga game came on that many disks, I'd expect an awful lot from it.
>The only game that I have seen on remotely that many disks was Dragon's
>Lair: Escape from Singe's Castle <sp?>.  It was five disks, and, in
>my opinion, a disappointment.

   Why was it a disappointment?  IMO, it was because they hacked it down too 
much so the game would not take so much space.  If the game were ported to AGA
and enhanced, it could easily consume 20 disks.

>Commodore hasn't released a computer with a CD-ROM drive because they're
>computers don't NEED a CD-ROM drive,

   You are the epitomy of vision and innovation, indeed.

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