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From: ah690549@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Annette C. Hollmann)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: hypoglycemia
Date: 2 Sep 92 03:22:07 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

I AM ALSO HYPOGLYCEMIC. HERE IS WHAT WORKS FOR ME:
*ABSOLUTELY* NO REFINED SUGAR ALLOWED EXCEPT ON VERY SPECIAL OCCASIONS.
SUGAR GIVES ME A QUICK BOOST, BUT THEN I CRASH WITHIN TWO HOURS. THIS
"CRASH" CAN BE MINIMIZED BY ALSO EATING FOODS RICH IN STARCH, PROTEIN, AND
FAT. EVEN WITH THIS PRECAUTION I WOULD NOT WANT TO WORK WITH DANGEROUS
MATERIALS SUCH AS RADIOISOTOPES WITHIN 6 HOURS OF INGESTING SUGAR - IF I
CRASH, I GET EXTREMELY DISORIENTED AND NONFUNCTIONAL (AND IT HAPPENS VERY
FAST), WHICH COULD BE A VERY UNSAFE SITUATION. 

CAFFEINE ALSO MAKES ME CRASH AFTER AN INITIAL BOOST.

OTHER THAN THAT, I FOLLOW A NORMAL LACTOVEGETARIAN DIET THAT IS VERY RICH
IN CARBOHYDRATES - MAINLY WHOLE GRAIN CEREALS, PASTA, FRUITS AND
VEGETABLES. I EAT AT LEAST 5 MEALS A DAY IF I AM UP 18 TO 20 HOURS, AND 4
MEALS IF I GET AT LEAST 8 HOURS SLEEP. FRUIT AND/OR VEGETABLES ALONE DO
NOT PROVIDE ME WITH ENOUGH ENERGY, NOT EVEN AS A SNACK. I ALWAYS KEEP
CRACKERS (LOW SALT, LOW FAT, *NO* SUGAR) HANDY. I ALSO SPLIT MY LUNCH INTO
AT LEAST TWO MEALS (I.E. I REHEAT IT, "NIBBLE" AT IT, PUT IT BACK IN THE
FRIDGE, REHEAT IT 3 HOURS LATER...ETC). ALL MY EMPLOYERS SO FAR HAVE BEEN
COOL ABOUT THE WAY I TAKE MY BREAKS.

ALSO: AVOID OVERWORK AND STRESS. I ONLY HAVE TO USE GLUCOSE TABLETS WHEN I
AM IN A SEMIPERMANENT BURNOUT STATE.

DISCLAIMER:

WHAT WORKS FOR ME MAY NOT WORK FOR EVERYONE BECAUSE EVERYONE IS
DIFFERENT. I AM UNUSUAL IN TWO WAYS:
1. I AM A VEGETARIAN
2. EVEN THOUGH I EAT / NIBBLE ALMOST CONSTANTLY, MY WEIGHT IS DEFINITELY
BELOW AVERAGE

ANNETTE

P.S. I NOTICED THAT WHEN I RUNOUT OF ENERGY, MY MATH / ANALYTICAL
FUNCTIONS ARE AFFECTED FIRST. DOES ANYONE KNOW A POSSIBLE REASON FOR THIS?
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From: rothmund@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Baerbel Rothmund)
Subject: Re: hypoglycemia
Organization: "Lehrstuhl fuer Technische Informatik, Uni Tuebingen"
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:55:04 GMT

In article <14487@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, ah690549@mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Annette C. Hollmann) writes:
|> I AM ALSO HYPOGLYCEMIC. HERE IS WHAT WORKS FOR ME:
|> *ABSOLUTELY* NO REFINED SUGAR ALLOWED EXCEPT ON VERY SPECIAL OCCASIONS.
|> SUGAR GIVES ME A QUICK BOOST, BUT THEN I CRASH WITHIN TWO HOURS.
|> 
|> CAFFEINE ALSO MAKES ME CRASH AFTER AN INITIAL BOOST.
|> 

So am I.

As far as I understood hypoglycemia, what happens is the
following:
When people eat something (specially when eating something
sweet) some kind of glucole gets into the blood. The
amount of this glucole is regulated by some stuff called
insuline (the one which is lacking when you suffer from
diabetes). In our case this insuline does too much work,
so we lack glucole about two hours after our meal. The
sweeter the food was, the more insuline is shed into the
blood, the more we lack glucole.

So the easiest way to avoid a crash is keeping the level
of glucole rather constant in the blood either by avoiding
eating sugar, or by eating frequently small amounts of any
food. 
I personally prefere the latter. And as I only suffer a
little of this desease, I'm perfectly well eating some
cookies in between, although my mother allways kept some
dextrose in her handbag for emergency cases.
As somebody allready mentioned, hypoglydemia seems to be
hereditary for my whole family suffers lightly of it.

The observation with coffe or tea I made as well; after
some time I feel ill, which passes away when eating
something.

Baerbel
From: troubl@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Troubl from Hell)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: hypoglycemia
Date: 3 Sep 92 07:22:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: matt.185hk1INN5u6
Organization: Kansas State University
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  I too have hypoglycaemia, and have tried the chromium.  My mom has read
up on vitamins for some time now, and suggested the chromium.  Before taking 
any, I was having severe problems with waking up in the mornings, as my
blood sugar level had dropped in just a few hours, and I was having to eat
something every couple of hours.  I didn't eat sweets, except natural sugar,
and reduced my caffene intake as much as possible.  I had to keep the 
glucose tablets on hand at all times, and keep a close check on my blood
sugar level.  (the meter registers 45 and above, and usually mine would be
just registering 'low' which is lower than the meter can read if I didn't eat
every 4 hours or less. normal is 70-120)  

  I started on the chromium tablets daily, and after about 2 weeks, I wasn't 
having the majority of those problems.  I am able to drink a moderate amount 
of caffene, eat sugar once in a while as long as it's with other protein and
carbohydrates, and don't have to eat as often.  I can sometimes go eight  
  hours between meals, which is nice sometimes.  I still snack between, if I
 get hungry.  My blood sugar level is usually right around 60-70, and it's 
not bottomed out in the morning.  Taking the chromium is the only thing I
have done differently, but it has made my life so much easier, and I 
don't have to worry as much as I did before.
________________________________________________________________________
Kerry Kunze                     Enjoy life while you can:)
     
troubl@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
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From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: Energy Per Gram?
Keywords: Calories, Fat, Carbohydrates, Protein
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 13:59:12 GMT

In article <21512@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, tzf@csl.biosci.arizona.edu (Theron Friedman) writes:
|>   [beginning of post deleted] 
|> 	- anyone know if there's a mandated standard for what procedure
|> the manufacturers use to determine the calories per portion on the labels?
|> If they're doing straight calorimeter tests, they may be overestimating by
|> including energy from non-digestible fiber. 

I was a member of a diet group one time that had a Registered Dietician
as an advisor, and we took this question to her: how come the calorie count
doesn't always add up to the sum of the proteins, carbohydrates and fats (PCFs)
all multiplied by their respective calories per gram.  She said that the ex-
changes are an approximation based on the grams of PCFs in the ingredients, 
but the calorie count is established by actually *burning* the food and 
measuring the amount of energy produced. 

If that is true, then the calorie count is probably the most reliable, but
in the cases where it doesn't match the exchanges, it doesn't provide a clue
as to which of PCF's is under- or over-stated.

Jan
From: tzf@csl.biosci.arizona.edu (Theron Friedman)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Caloric restriction
Keywords: Caloric restriction and IQ
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:11:52 GMT
Reply-To: tzf@csl.biosci.arizona.edu
Organization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson

In article <1992Sep02.154625.24858@ux1.cts.eiu.edu>, cfeem@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Eleanor Midkiff) writes:
|> Be careful about caloric restriction as an aid to longevity; the thing
|> they don't tell you about this research is that the rats which lived
|> longer were truly *DUMB*.
|> 
Delightful folklore, but where did you get this info? Given the usual politics
of academic fiefdoms, I find it surprising that nutritional biologists would
let rat psychologists anywhere near their experiments. After all, it would
give one more variable to control for: might the rats be living longer
just because the psych testing made their lives more interesting?
From: rbradbur@hardy.u.washington.edu (Robert Bradbury)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Caloric restriction causing stupidity
Summary: Evidence to the contrary
Keywords: Caloric restriction and IQ
Date: 3 Sep 92 01:38:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Sep3.013806.19995
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <21514@optima.cs.arizona.edu> tzf@csl.biosci.arizona.edu writes:
>In article <1992Sep02.154625.24858@ux1.cts.eiu.edu>, cfeem@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Eleanor Midkiff) writes:
>|> Be careful about caloric restriction as an aid to longevity; the thing
>|> they don't tell you about this research is that the rats which lived
>|> longer were truly *DUMB*.
>|> 
>Delightful folklore, but where did you get this info? Given the usual politics
>of academic fiefdoms, I find it surprising that nutritional biologists would
>let rat psychologists anywhere near their experiments. After all, it would
>give one more variable to control for: might the rats be living longer
>just because the psych testing made their lives more interesting?

I'm forced to agree with tzf.
I've read hundreds of papers on caloric restriction over the last year
(see my recent postings in bionet.molbio.ageing for my theories on
the topic) and have yet to see a single author comment that the
CR restricted rats were dumb.  CR started early in life results
in slower growth and a longer time to sexual maturity.  CR in
adult life results in fewer numbers of offspring.  I've even
been told personally by Dr. Obukhova in Moscow (someone who
has been doing aging research for 20+ years) that one does
have to be careful to keep CR rodents in separate cages due
to a tendency to consume one another.  I am fairly sure that
I have read papers that indicate that elderly CR rodents
perform better in standard tests of rat "smartness" compared
with age matched non-CR animals.

This would agree well with Dr Floyd's work indicating that supplementing
elderly rodent diets with PBN makes them smarter as PBN is a free radical
scavenger and one thing CR does is reduce the rate of free radical generation.

On the balance unless some evidence is provided I would be inclined to
doubt the rats were dumb.

Robert Bradbury		uunet!sftwks!bradbury or rbradbur@u.washington.edu
From: betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Healthy Soda (food tip)
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:04:20 GMT
Distribution: sci
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

A good substitute for soda is to get seltzer or bubbly water and mix
it 50-50 with fruit juice. Very light and refreshing, good for you,
and WAY less calories than soda!
   There's a lot of 100% juice mixes out there...I like the Dole i
"mandarin tangerine" even though it doesn't seem to have tangerines 
in it :-)
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From: mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason)
Subject: Nutrition & Weight Training
Organization: NCEMRSoft
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:34:01 GMT

I've seen on various exercise shows like ESPN's Bodyshapers where physical
trainers claim that "Diet is half the battle" to gain strength and muscle
tone.  I'm a casual weight trainer who is skeptical that ingesting hoards
of weird vitamins and weight gain powder would be significantly more
effective than a normal, 4 food groups type of diet.

Has there been a study on this somewhere?  Like have one group of weight
trainers use vitamins/calorie powder, and another control group train on
a regular diet, and see how much strength each group gained over a set
period of time.
--
______________________________________________________________________________
mike gleason                 mgleason@cse.unl.edu             NCEMRSoft, baby!
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From: CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Chris Thomas)
Subject: Re: Energy Per Gram?
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:43:46 PDT

In article <q#knx3d.rohwerwd@netcom.com>, on 02 Sep 92 02:57:26 GMT,
rohwerwd@netcom.com (W. David Rohwer) writes:

>
>     I am in a quandry.  I would like to know the standard values for
>calories per gram of fat, carbohydrate, and protein.  The following
>values are from three sources (books) that I read and my own computations
>based upon the "system of linear equations" concept from linear algebra.
>
>
>                Protein  Carbo   Fat
>
>                  Cal     Cal    Cal
>                 ----    ----   ----
>                 Gram    Gram   Gram
>
> Source 1        5.65    4.1    9.45
> Source 2        5       4      9
> Source 3        4       4      9
> Computation 1   4.806   4.423  6.888
> Computation 2   7.381   3.809  4.524
> Computation 3           3.809  8.912
> Computation 4           4
> Computation 5           4.167
>
>
>     I based Computation 1 on the following foods:
>
>                                      Cal  Protein   Carbo     Fat
>                                           (grams)  (grams)  (grams)
> Low-Fat (2%) Milk        8 Oz.       140    10       13        5
> Aust. Toaster Biscuits   2 Biscuits  400    10       64       10
> Peanut Butter            2 Tbsp.     180     9        6       16
>
>
>     I based Computation 2 on the following foods:
>
>                                      Cal  Protein   Carbo     Fat
>                                           (grams)  (grams)  (grams)
> Rice Krispies            2 Cups      220     4       50        0
> Hi-C Hula Punch         12 Oz.       160     0       42        0
> Bread                    2 Slices    160     6       28        2
>
>
>     I based Computation 3 on the following foods:
>
>                                      Cal  Protein   Carbo     Fat
>                                           (grams)  (grams)  (grams)
> Hi-C Hula Punch         12 Oz.       160     0       42        0
> Miracle Whip             1 Tbsp.      70     0        2        7
>
>
>     I based Computation 4 on the following food:
>
>                                      Cal  Protein   Carbo     Fat
>                                           (grams)  (grams)  (grams)
> Welch's Grape Juice     12 Oz.       240     0       60        0
>
>
>     I based Computation 5 on the following food:
>
>                                      Cal  Protein   Carbo     Fat
>                                           (grams)  (grams)  (grams)
> Hi-C Fruit Punch        12 Oz.       200     0       48        0
>
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>  +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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>|  \X/       Go A's!     \X/ 3000UX   Internet: rohwerwd@netcom.COM      /
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>
From: jaffray@oreo.berkeley.edu (Alan Jaffray)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Good basic book on nutrition
Date: 1 Sep 1992 04:00:16 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
Reply-To: jaffray@zippy.sonoma.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: oreo.berkeley.edu

I'm looking for a good basic non-fringe book on nutrition, comprehensible
to a random like me, and up-to-date and accurate.  Also practical (i.e.
describes how matters of nutrition affect a proper diet, not just
"this substance can have these effects").  Suggestions?

-- Alan
From: ja0f@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JEANNE E. ADAMS)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: LOW PROTEIN DIETS
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:57:05 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Does anyone have any information on whether or not low protein diets help
control the symptoms of renal failure for a patient not on dialysis?  I would
appreciate any help.  Thank you.
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From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: hypoglycemia
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 13:38:38 GMT

In article <Btyx6r.6G@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> slaury@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Susan Laury) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.184847.10872@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin) writes:
>>To determine hypoglycemia requires at least a 5-hour Glucose Tolerance Test &
>>then hopefully the results will be properly interpreted.  Diet should be higher
>
>
>Is the test generally hard to interpret? I have most of the symptoms
>of hypoglycemia and was tested for it (one test after a 12-hour fast,
>the other two hours after a prescribed meal), but the lab said the
>results were within normal limits. Does anyone else have an idea
>of another condition that could be masking itself with hypoglycemia-
>like symptoms?

After your fast, did you have to drink something vile and sugary once every
hour for 5 hours?  Did they measure your blood sugar each hour?  Did they
end up with a blood sugar curve that they were to interpret?  Was any of
this done by, let's say, a nutrition-minded MD or at least someone who
believes that hypoglycemia isn't vague or psychosomatic??
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From: mazur@inmet.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Chromium Picolinate vs. Chromium Chloride
Organization: Intermetrics Inc, Cambridge MA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:57:53 GMT

In article <20122@plains.NoDak.edu> stenslan@plains.NoDak.edu (David Stensland) writes:
>OK, call me stupid but is there any nutritional difference between the
>two?  I've also seen muscle magazines tout the benefits of chromium
>picolinate as a muscle strength wonder pill.  I'm very skeptical. 

According to Atkins (of the low-carbo diet fame--some would consider
him a disreputable source :-), the chromium in chromium picolinate is
more bio-available than is the chromium in chromium chloride.  In
other words, your body gets more chromium out of the former.

BTW, brewer's yeast is the food source with the highest amount of 
chromium.  But the folks who push chromium are often the folks who
are full of stories about all the bad things yeasts do.  Caveat emptor.

And don't forget, there's chromium in beer!

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
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From: cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black)
Subject: Re: Carb-loading & preparing for intense activity...
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1992 00:18:03 GMT
Organization: Eastern Illinois University

In article <DRAKE.92Sep3174437@dragon.cpe.ulowell.edu> drake@dragon.cpe.ulowell.edu (Frank Drake) writes:
>
>I've never really read much about nutrition, but have been very active
>in the last few years, playing competitive ice hockey (well, at least
>_I_ think it is competitive ;-) and doing aerobics to keep the whole body
>in reasonable shape. I've heard of carb-loading, but usually with respect
>to running. Is this something that is good for someone who will be doing
>excercise over a longer period of time (like a marathon) or is it also
>applicable to shorter, intense workouts? If you've never played, ice hockey
>games tend to last for 40-60 minutes, with short (1-2 minutes), intense
>shifts.

    Generally, carb-loading is unnecessary unless you plan on doing
continuous aerobic activity for over about 90 min.  The on-again, off-again
nature of hockey makes it not really continuously aerobic, so I wouldn't
say it's at all needed.  Carb-loading is helpful when the duration and
intensity of exercise are sufficient to deplete the muscles' stores of
glycogen; the idea is to build up pre-exercise glycogen levels to unusually
high degrees.

>What kind of "pre-game" nutrition should I try? I have tried just about
>everything (pizza usually isn't so good ;-)   Recently, I had heard
>that you shouldn't eat ANYTHING for 4-6 hours before playing. Just drink
>lots of fruit juices in the hours before playing. I've tried this and
>it seems to work pretty well - I am not so weighted down that I can't get 
>out of my own way. But is there some better recommendation?

    I'm not a marathoner, but do lots of 5-15K races.  The only race I eat
before (at least 3 hrs. before, that is) is a 15K (that lasts a little less
than an hour).  Sounds to me like the fruit juices work for you; I'd stick
with it.
-- 
   ******************************************************************
     Howard Black                             cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu
     Department of Chemistry                  Eastern Illinois Univ. 
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From: willdye@helios.unl.edu (Will Dye)
Subject: Re: hypoglycemia
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date:  3 Sep 92 02:34:29 GMT

Chromium?  Hmm, I'll give it a try.  Thanks for the tip.  I'll consider 
Snapple and fruit juices, also.

-Will
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From: Grady W Chism <gchism@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: Useful Caloric Content of Foods
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:13:09 GMT

The caloric content of foods is seldom determined by bomb calorimetry. For all 
practical purposes, the dta you find on labels and in data bases are calculated
by using the factors 4 caloies/gram for protein and carbohydrate, 9 
calories/gram for fat and 7calories/gram for alcohol. The differences noted 
from the laels comes from rounding the values.  Protein, cho and fat are given 
to the nearest gram but caloies are given to the nearest 5 if the calories/ser 
is <50 and to the nearest 10 above that.
-- 
Grady W. Chism                     Email:gchism@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Dept. of Food Science and Tech.    Voice:614-292-7719
Ohio State University              FAX:614-292-0218
2121 Fyffe Road, Columbus, OH 43210
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From: jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Duner)
Subject: Thermojetics
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 02:08:40 GMT

  I was registering to vote and the guy told me about Thermojetics, being the
  newest craze in burning fat.  He said something like it burns body fat and
  keeps muscle and also makes you lose your appetite.  He gave me some samples
  but I haven't tried it yet.  He said the stuff works great and has excellent
  results, but for some reason I am not convinced.  

  Does someone here know about Thermojetics and give a good explanation what
  these miracle pills do?

  I would appreciate more information.

  Thanks


-- 
=====================================================
= John Meseke      email-jpm56290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu  =
= "Some gals like to kiss my face.  Is it luck?"    =
==============================-Les Claypool==========
From: abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu (Anthony Bulloch)
Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition
Subject: Re: Chromium Picolinate vs. Chromium Chloride
Followup-To: sci.med.nutrition
Date: 4 Sep 1992 08:02:46 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

According to sources I have:

1)  Most sources of chromium are not efficiently absorbed. Chromium chloride
is the form most commonly used in supplements, and yet within the nutritional
range of 50 to 200 micrograms only about 0.5% of chromium chloride is absorbed.

2) USDA studies show that 90% of Americans receive less than 50 micrograms
of chromium (the minimum recommended daily intake suggested by the National
Academy of Sciences) daily. It looks as if supplementation is advisable.

3) USDA scientists developed chromium picolinate, an organic complex of
chromium which is very stable and fat soluble and exceptional for
achieving intestinal absorption and intracellular uptake of chromium.

4) Chromium is necessary for insulin to work properly in regulating
metabolism of carbohydrates, fats and protein. In a couple of university
studies students taking 200 micrograms of chromium picolinate and
exercisaing moderately lost 22% of their body fat and significantly
increased muscle. Chromium picolinate also seems to result in greatly
reduced sugar cravings.

Anthony Bulloch
abulloch@garnet.berkeley.edu

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