From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: In respect of Suzanne 
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:23:32 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.233209.3096@noao.edu> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
>From article <1992Dec30.003444.7408@netcom.com>, by gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga):
>> <1992Dec22.182521.8808@noao.edu> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
>> 
>>>(Speaking of cowards, you know, I really do have a hard time understanding
>>> this cultural widespread fear of babies!)
>> 
>> I have to admit that I don't like being around kids in general.  I refuse
>> to babysit for anyone unless I have full corporal authority.  
>
>
>What does "full corporal authority" mean?   A whack on the behind?
>Several whacks?  A fat lip?  A black eye?  Broken legs?  Cigarette burns?
>Capital punishment?
>
At least he's being honest about his views.  And he's being very open.  I'd
rather have him around than someone who talks like I like but acts very
different.

BTW, I understood his meaning perfectly well.  He doesn't want to be sued
for resorting to a spank, if need be.

(Let me guess, YOU'VE NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF SPANKING YOUR KIDS, RIGHT?"


>Well, I know these are extreme, but speaking as a parent, I find your
>term extremely *vague*!

I didn't.

>
>
>> So far no
>> one's taken me up on it. ;-)  
>
>I'm not surprised!  Perhaps you should explain yourself more clearely.
>

I think that's his point--he doesn't want anyone to have him babysit!
He's quite effective, isn't he?


>
>> Most children are smelly, 
>
>All those diapers just like you once needed yourself, Gordon, which somebody
>else changed for you.
>

Gordon just splke the truth.  Most children ARE smelly.  And not just from
diapers, either.  And, a good deal of adults are smelly, too.  I don't think
it's a cryin' shame to avoid them, either.


>
>> noisy 
>
>All that laughing, crying, yelling, singing, gleeful squeals, general life
>stuff.  (Disgusting, ain't it.)

Again, he's speaking the truth.  You have something against the truth?

>
>
>> and messy.
>
>All those wet kisses, tears when you hurt their feelings, noses they
>haven't quite got the hang of blowing yet, mud pie gifts they try to
>make you eat, and bubble baths that somehow soak the whole bathroom.
>The sweetness life is made of.

Yep, that mess that you have to clean up.  And you hate doing it if
it isn't your kids.  When it's yours, you do it, you may not like it
but you don't hate it as you signed up for things like that on the
delivery table.

Or before.

>
>
>> Not unlike a lot of my friends in general, but at least I can tell them to
>> go home.
>
>
>You and your wife are missing out on quite alot by having aborted your
>child, Gordon.

Yeah, missing out on things like: an unstable financial future, a college
education to fund, endless sleepless nights, having to search far and wide
for a good babysitter just to go out for a nice dinner, scrimping and
saving just to have the funds for that nice dinner, having "doting"
grandparents send endless toys, those emergency room trips in the middle
of the night, nightmares, eating dinner at different times, 30 trips
to the pediatrician a year---yep, all those things that parents do
gladly.  

Most parents I know, if they are honest, do sometimes wish they never
had children.  Only those who aren't in touch with their feelings
are horrified at that thought.  

> 
> 
>> Gordon
>
>Suzanne.

Jennifer
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