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From: Reg Foulkes
Subject: Re: ParcPlace Hiring Trainers/Consultants (Mt View, CA)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:51:33 GMT

In article <1332@pacsoft.com> mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik) writes:

>I agree that employers are partially (or some would say entirely) responsible
>for the "specialization urge" that is found in high schools and colleges.
>Personally, I think that it's wrong.  If I'm looking for a C programmer, but
>someone comes to me who is bright, motivated and knows only Pascal, would I
>consider hiring him or her?  Damn straight I would.  I don't think that it
>would be that difficult to write an ad for the local paper:

  Well Mike, it appears that we are in agreement. Now all we have to do is 
get other employeers thinking the same way and specialization might fade away.
--------------------------------
Reg Foulkes                             Bell-Northern Research
riskit@x400gate.bnr.ca           2745 Iris Street
Telephone :(613) 763-4131     Ottawa, Ontario., Canada  K1Y 4H7
From: laurad@kenda.mv.com (Laura dos Santos)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: desperately seeking Stephen P.Poremba
Distribution: usa  
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:09:33 GMT
Organization: KENDA Systems, Inc.

If anyone could help me find Stephen P.Poremba, I would be indebted.  Last I 
knew, Stephen was over at DEC doing network troubleshooting.  Prior to this, he 
was working for Wang.  If anyone has seen/heard from him, please call.  
Thanks!!!!

Laura dos Santos				Telephone: (603) 898-7884
laurad@kenda.mv.com				Address:   KENDA Systems, Inc.
						           1 Stiles Rd.
						           Salem, NH 03079
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: mparanan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Muralidhar Paranandi)
Subject: Help Sought: Headhunters/recruiters in Architectural CAD software
Summary: Person with dual Master's degrees in Architecture and CAD seeks 
	 help in finding a job.
Keywords: CAD, headhunters, recruiters, architecture, jobs
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:16:10 GMT

Hi,

        I am about to finish Master's in Computer Aided Design in Architecture.
        I am interested in finding employment in Architectural software
        development either with big architectural firms with in-house software
        or with some software companies. Does any one know of any recruiters/
        headhunters (any where in the U.S.) speicfically for the architectural
        CAD?

        Thanks for your help.
-- 
-Murali Paranandi                   |   Office: 292-2148:Home:  292-5691
Computer Aided Architectural Design |   mparanan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
The Ohio State Universiy            |   paranand@cis.ohio-state.edu
Columbus, Ohio 43210.               |   1372 Jones 101 Curl Dr Columbus Oh43210
From: aklee@milton.u.washington.edu (Ai Kuo Lee)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Barclay/Career consultants/Heard of em?
Date: 27 Jul 92 06:18:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Jul27.061844.11635
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <19053@fritz.filenet.com> scotth@fritz.filenet.com (Scott Hopson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul22.113816.1@rocky.claremont.edu> dbarkey@rocky.claremont.edu writes:
>
>Never, I repeat NEVER pay for a job. A good head-hunter won't charge you
>anything. The good ones get paied by the company that hires you. Anytime
>someone wants money up front to find you a job think the word SCAM.
>
>You pay them $750, they don't get you a job. You wait a year and they
>give you $250 back. They made $500 profit, they borrowed $250 from you
>for a year at 0% interest. You lose $500 sounds like a SCAM to me.
>
>Remember, there are free lunches out there. Just make sure you don't
>pay the bill.
>
>
>-- 
>Scott Hopson   (scotth@filenet.com)


YES, I second Scott's opinion. NEVER pay for a job.
From: weeks@astroatc.UUCP (Pat Weeks)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Security Clearance
Date: 29 Jul 92 15:07:51 GMT
Reply-To: weeks%astroatc.UUCP@spool.cs.wisc.edu (Patrick Weeks)
Organization: Astronautics Technology Cntr, Madison, WI


	Does anyone know how you can request to be checked for Security 
Clearance.  Most of the time they just do it when your job requires it, but I
wondered if you could just call up and say, "Hey, could you check me out for
Top Secret??"  

	Do you think they would do it or do you have to have some good, solid
reason.  (Not that those organizations need good reasons for most of the things
they do..."  Note:  I am not responsible for the item in parenthesis, a friend
here added it... :)


						Ghostwheel
From: hollasch@kpc.com (Steve Hollasch)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Where do old programmers go?
Summary: humorous
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:47:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.

jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer) writes:
| They branch to a new address?

    They get popped.
    They reach the end of their extent.
    They enter a halt state.

_____________________________________________________________________________
Steve Hollasch                                  Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.
hollasch@kpc.com                                Santa Clara, California
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: cbc1@Ra.MsState.Edu (christopher b carey)
Subject: Re: Where do old programmers go?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:38:58 GMT

hnoble@polari.online.com writes:

>In article <1992Jul27.140210.8254@compu.com> fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home) writes:
>>hnoble@polari.online.com writes:
>>
>>Unions? For programmers? Isn't that taking the art of programming down to the 
>>level of steering a truck across the country? How any real programmer would 

>You gotta be kidding if you think professional programmers become "mediocre"
>by signing a contract guaranteeing decent hours, pay and training.  What
>better way to protect the artistry of programmingda quality of work than
>with a written contract?
>>W. Fred Rump 	office:	   fred@COMPU.COM     'mans feet have grown/so big 
>>26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
>>Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
>>609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   

I'm gonna have to agree here that a union for programmers is like
"Tits on a fish!"  No value.
Of course, I dislike unions to begin with, but still.
I don't see the need for it.  If your that good, someone will pay you what
you're worth.

Chris Carey

--
Got those wishing I was out of school so I could see my girl on
a regular basis blues.
From: IK20050@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Seeking job in Buffalo area for Dec.
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:43:26 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

hi!  I'm moving to Buffalo in December after I graduate with
my B.A. in history.  I would like to find a job that pays over
$6 an hour.  I don't care what type of work it is, I could work
in a factory, post office, border customs, radio station, nightclub,
government job, etc.

If any of you know of any job openings in the Buffalo area for
December, would you please be so kind as to mail me applications,
which I can fill out and mail back so that I'll have a few inter-
views wating for me when I get down there?

I would appreciate it very much!

It doesn't matter what field:  I worked as a radio broadcaster
for almost 4 years and was a station manager for a year and a
half....but I will take any job that pays over $6 and hour.

Please mail all applications to:

Ms. Anderson Mar
C/O WUFK-FM RADIO
25 Pleasant Street
Ft. Kent, MAINE  04743

Thanks so much!!!
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rmac@well.sf.ca.us (Robert J. McIlree)
Subject: Re: TEN INVALUABLE RULES FOR THE SUCCESSFUL CONTRACTOR
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:31:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.064214.2571@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:
>In article <18656@bunny.GTE.COM> rc05@gte.com (Ramesh Chandak) writes:
>>3. Don't give advice
>
>I find this one rather strange, I haven't contracted directly before,
>but I consulted for numerous customers while working for a small
>consulting company. 
>I can't remember any cases where a customer was upset about a
>suggestion. Customer asks for X, you realize that you can generalize
>the code to do X as well as doing W Y and Z with little extra effort,
>you suggest this to the customer, they are very happy for getting
>more and call you the next time they need something.

That should read more like: "Don't give UNWANTED advice." It's easy to
"advise" a client on every shortcoming of the organization from either a
process or product standpojnt, but is that what you're getting paid for? If
it isn't, it's best to keep one's yap shut and perform tasks within the
scope of the contract.

I have a number of anecdotes about fellow consultants who saw it as their
duty (or god-given right) to inform the client manager about every single
thing wrong with their organization, from personnel to methodology to target
platforms ad nauseum. A very high percentage of these folks do not finish
the terms of their contracts - they get terminated for pissing the client
off and/or not getting tasks finished on time (or at all) because they spent
too much time "advising."

>>10. Look the part
>>    A contractor is a farily expensive purchased commodity, so do your
>>    best to dress in an appropriate professional manner at all times.
>
>In my experience no "real" companies care about dress codes, most
>professional programmers I've met make my style of dress look conservative.
>Although I guess they might have alot of IBM/Cobol type clients who
>expect programmers to look like used car salesmen :)
>
Unfortunately, at times consultants must work with "non-real" companies that
care about dress codes in order to pay bills. Although I would interpret
item 10 to mean that while you don't need to show up in $1500 Armani suits
to assignments, you shouldn't show up, especially the first time, in a
tee-shirt, scruffy jeans, and Birkenstock sandals.

It comes down to a question of judgement. Never met this client before or
know anyone there? Business attire, at least, on the first day. In addition
to being a techie, you're a businessperson. You can never go wrong being a
little overdressed until you get the "lay of the land" on a given
assignment.

By the way, I have numerous clients who have dress codes, for various
reasons. I have found that the level of dress code in an organization has
little or no effect on the level of technical talent at the client. That is,
I've met and worked with brilliant engineers who wear suits and ties to
work, and incompetent engineers in casual or scruffy dress, and vice-versa.

Bob McIlree
rmac@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: dens@flammulated.rice.edu (dens)
Subject: Re: Security Clearance
Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas
	<2A66F5ED.7241@deneva.sdd.trw.com>
	<1992Jul20.165026.6255@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 11:58:41 GMT

   Also: When my neighbor was getting some security clearance, they asked for
   his personal phone/address book. So -- check yours, and erase all these
   entries who know too much about you :-)

I guess I would be out of the running then, because I keep all my most
important addresses in my head.

Later,
den
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: lee@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us (Walter Lee)
Subject: Request info: UCS; Houston
Organization: Plex-1, Michigan's Public Access Usenet Gateway  (Ann Arbor).
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:03:52 GMT

What does anyone out there know about "Universal Computer Systems" of
Houston, Texas; which has offices in Detroit and probably other places.

I have applied for employment there and what I have seen so far leads me
to believe it is a _very_ authoritarian company.
(piss test, polygraph test, only nonsmokers need apply)
It's not a defense contractor.

Please don't flame me...to deal with such goes against my principles but I
really am desperate for a truly entry-level job.

Does anyone have first-hand experience with this company?
If so please indulge my curiosity (suspicions?).

Many thanks in advance...
Walt
-- 
Walter Lee                                                           plex-1!lee
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ae131@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Harmon)
Subject: computer tech info needed
Reply-To: ae131@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Harmon)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 12:55:38 GMT

could any of you computer techey's out there send me the
pay range for someone just entering the tech field? i 
i'm considering a career move and considering becoming
a tech (mostly pc equipment but mini's isn't out ofthe
question)

thanks in advance................

-- 
+--------------------------------------------------+
|Mark Harmon       216-749-4269  (Cleve. OH)       |
|ae131@cleveland.freenet.edu                       |
|uunet!ae131%cleveland.freenet.edu@uunet.uu.net    |
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pearson@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (N. Shirlene Pearson)
Subject: Re: getting laid off
Organization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:03:24 GMT

dfriedman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (D R Friedman) writes:

>In article <1992Jul24.133516.4302@lloyd.Camex.COM>, johnd@lloyd.Camex.COM (John Duesenberry) writes...
>>I have recently learned that the company I work for, which is in deep
>>financial doody, has canceled the software development project to
>>which I was assigned, and that there is going to be a "downsizing"
>>(love that term!) soon. 
>>	As in all such situations, bizarre rumors are circulating. Here is
>>one that concerns me: that the company wishes to cut costs by eliminating
>>as many employees as possible, but also wishes to avoid the costs
>>normally associated with layoffs. (such as severance pay, and paying
>>into the state's unemployment-compensation fund so that ex-workers
>>can collect unemployment comp., etc.) Therefore, it is said, they plan
>>to offer people "new" positions that are actually demotions at drastically
>>lower pay, or are otherwise inappropriate or designed to be totally
>>unacceptable to the employee - thus forcing the employee to quit
>>"voluntarily." Thus, the co. would not have to pay severance and the
>>employees could not file for unemployment, etc.
>>	My question is - IS THIS LEGAL? What are my rights here? If this
>>scenario is true, do I have grounds for legal action? What state agencies
>>(I'm in Massachusetts) might I contact for help?
>>	Any advice would be appreciated....

>I was in a similar situation years ago.
        .
        .
        .
>This is legal unless you can prove that there were discriminatory reasons
>behind such moves i.e, people over 40 get crummy new jobs, all women
>are assigned to crummy jobs, people of a particular race are assigned to
>specific jobs, etc.

Unless these cuts are across the board for ALL employees
and at some unbiased rate,
then it would seem that there should be a question of legality.
(Although I don't know off hand what that would be.)

>The whole point here is that you cannot afford to voluntarily quit and
>if you voluntarily quit you are SOL unless you can prove you are being
>harassed, etc.

>It is smarter just to take the demotion and while you are working go
>out and look for a new job.  It will save you a lot of hassle and
>time. ... (deleted stuff)

The problem with accepting the demotion and the lower salary is
the fact that many companies look at your salary history,
as well as your promotion/demotion history when deciding whether
to hire you and at what level/salary, so doing this could really
set someone back career-wise! And if you try to explain in a job
interview what happened AND it did not happen across the board,
then prospective employers might think you are just
"sour grapes!"  That is, that you were demoted with less salary
because of an unsatisfactory performance.

> The legal system will not protect you.

Believe it or not there's some hungry lawyers out there
due to --- lay-offs.  There have been lay-offs in the
legal community!
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: pww@bnr.ca (Peter Whittaker)
Subject: Re: Usenet newsgroups postings
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:08:30 GMT

In article <01GMYLI2GSE895MQJG@dcu.ie> 89500831@dcu.ie (Ronnie Albuquerque) writes:
>I'm only on the Internet, with no access to the Usenet. Does anyone know
>if the postings from misc.jobs.* are archived anywhere?

Methinks you'd better read Brendan Kehoe's "Zen and the Art of the
Internet" (some other helpful reader of this group will have to tell
you where to go, I don't remember):  there is no "USENET".

That is, USENET is not a network unto itself.  USENET is, in essence, a
service available on many different internets, including the Internet.
Since you were able to post your question, I'll bet that you can read
this, in which case you do have "USENET access".

As for whether there is an archive, I do not know.  Some other helpful
reader of this group... etc.

pww

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: hobbit@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Ed Medvid)
Subject: UK job placement
Reply-To: hobbit@aplcen (Ed Medvid)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 20:39:29 GMT

Hi,
    I'm hoping someone can help me.  I am an American
citzen attempting to find a job in Europe, first
choice is England/Scotland/Ireland.  I am open to
positions in either the computer science or education
fields.  Does anyone know of any placement agencies
or general info that might help?
                                    - ed
From: oneil@odin.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Confidential in job application
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:40:50 GMT
Distribution: misc.jobs.misc
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

wzhang@cse.fau.edu (Wei Zhang) writes:

>A while ago I applied an job ad on m.j.o. It was a big company. Now recently
>my current boss talked to me about my application. It turns out that he has
>some friends in that company and they told him about my application privately. 
>I was never informed nor contacted by that company in any means.
>I spoke with my boss and now we have obtained mutual understanding. But 
>it reminds me a question I had long time ago. Should the company keep secret
>on the job applicants, especially to their current employer? If that company
>has a policy of keeping job seekers information confidential, what happens 
>if individual person who has access to the information breaks the policy.
>I know that I can really do nothing about that except being more careful
>in selecting places to mail my resume.

>Any comments?

I've been reading "What Color is Your Parachute: 1992" and the author
did mention that often people in companies have friends in other companies.
And sometimes friends will talk to friends about applicants.  I'm not sure
if a company has the responsibility to keep a job application confidential,
although I should think that they would keep the contents of what you put
IN the application confidential.

I find "What Color is Your Parachute" to be quite interesting reading.  
According to the author, the best time to send resumes is AFTER the interview
and not before.  I would never have thought that.

Sharon O'Neil
oneil@odin.unomaha.edu
From: scotth@felix.filenet.com (Scott Hopson)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Barclay/Career consultants/Heard of em?
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:42:06 GMT
Reply-To: scotth@fritz.filenet.com (Scott Hopson)
Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA

In article <1992Jul22.113816.1@rocky.claremont.edu> dbarkey@rocky.claremont.edu writes:

Never, I repeat NEVER pay for a job. A good head-hunter won't charge you
anything. The good ones get paied by the company that hires you. Anytime
someone wants money up front to find you a job think the word SCAM.

You pay them $750, they don't get you a job. You wait a year and they
give you $250 back. They made $500 profit, they borrowed $250 from you
for a year at 0% interest. You lose $500 sounds like a SCAM to me.

Remember, there are free lunches out there. Just make sure you don't
pay the bill.


-- 
Scott Hopson   (scotth@filenet.com)
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Need suit and tie for a job interview ??
Date: 23 Jul 1992 13:26:43 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <1992Jul22.221444.28891@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> paw@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pat Wilson) writes:
>You're veering from the point.
>I've *never* met a person that couldn't afford (a) soap and water, (b)
>to comb their hair, and (c) to wash their clothes.  I doubt that _anyone_
>with the capabilities to function in the type of positions *that are being
>discussed here* can't afford at least a clean (note: not necessarily *new*) 
>shirt with a tie and clean pants.

   The point, as you can see from the original subject line
above, is whether one need wear a SUIT AND TIE to an interview.
Those persons bringing in concepts like dirt, body odor, ripped
jeans, grooming, etc., are the ones veering from the point.  I
could be wrong, but I doubt the original poster intended to go
to an interview straight from a six-day bender on a garbage scow.
   I wore a suit to only my first interview after college.  I've
been a full-time employee for over ten years.  Draw your own
conclusions.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
Brown University Planetary Geology
plutchak@porter.geo.brown.edu