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From: amconn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: The Lost Top Ten Lists
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:46:54 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Dec21.203159.2796@bnr.ca>, christo@bcarh803.BNR.CA (Mark Christopher) writes:
> In article <1h53biINN3cb@gossip.pyramid.com>, danjones@pyramid.COM (Dan
> Jones) writes:
> |>amconn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
> |>|> Yesterday (Saturday) after the NFL game on NBC, the boys on the
> postgame show
> |>|> did a "tribute" to the departing Bob Costas. One of the bits was
> Dave doing > |>|> top ten list entitled "Why Bob Costas is Leaving NFL Live." This
> reminded of
> |>|> two other original (i.e., not done on the regular show) top ten
> lists Dave has
> |>|> done. One was last summer during ESPN's broadcast of the Belgian
> GP, and the
> |>|> other was during an ESPN anniversary celebration. Does anyone
> recall anymore of
> |>|> these "lost" top ten lists, or better yet, have copies of them?
> |>
> |>Top ten enjoyable things about EPSN's Formula One coverage (from Belgian GP)
> |>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ...top 10 list deleted
> 
> I saw the Belgium GP and it looked like the top10 list was from a regular
> show.  Now, it may have been that Letterman just taped an extra top 10
> during one of his shows and that bit never aired.  However, it did not
> seem like it.
> 
> 
> As to the original vintage of this top 10 list...
> 
> I think this probably aired sometime in 1991, and certainly no earlier
> than 1990.  This is because the '92 Portugese GP (Sep 27/92) was Mika
> Hakkinen's 30th race, and there are 16 races in a season.  Therefore,
> the young Finn could not have been racing before 1990.
> 
> So my guess is that the "Top ten enjoyable things about EPSN's Formula One
> coverage" aired in the first week of October 91.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Christopher        Bell-Northern Research          christo@bnr.ca


This was definitely during the Spring or Summer of 1992. The list was posted
and discussed in rec.auto.sports this year just after the Belgian GP (and I
saw it during the race coverage). As to whether this list was used during the
regular show, I think not. Like the Bob Costas and ESPN list, Dave taped it in
front of the regular audience while wearing his talk show uniform. As a regular
watcher I don't recall the lists appearing on the show.

As all of the above depends on human memory, it is most likely wrong.

Connor
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
From: saleem@facl.lan.mcgill.ca (Saleem Ahamed)
Subject: Re: Morissy on Letterman?
Followup-To: alt.fan.letterman
Organization: McGill University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:36:14 GMT

In article <BzCHwG.6G0@ecf.toronto.edu>, dhaliwa@ecf.toronto.edu (DHALIWAL
BIKRAM SINGH) wrote:
> 
> Has Morissy ever sang on the show? I am a big fan of both.
>   
> -- 
>  
> .............................................
>  Bikram Dhaliwal (dhaliwa@civ.toronto.edu) 
>  Toronto        (dhaliwa@ecf.toronto.edu) 
In article <BzCHwG.6G0@ecf.toronto.edu>, you wrote:
> 


I don't know if Morrissey was on Letterman, but he was on SNL about a month
ago with his new band.  They played Suedehead (sped up) and Glamorous Glue.


Speaking of Morrissey, do you know anything about his alleged relationship
with Michael Stipe (REM)?

Cheers,

Saleem.
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From: rnovak@nyx.cs.du.edu (Robert Novak)
Subject: New Tonight Show Theme....
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 13:26:43 GMT

Did everyone hear the "new" Tonight Show theme? It's much more
singable/hummable (one of the early criticisms of the jazz sound of the
"original" "new" theme), and features a vocalist...

"Stand By Your Man"

I'm serious. They did it yesterday during the monologue. I almost fell
down laughing, except that I was in bed so it wouldn't have been as far of
a fall. :-)

Has he been doing stuff like this since the Letterman crises began?

Rob
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From: sstern@jmb2.jmb.com (Steven D. Stern)
Subject: Re: Are most letterman fans also Seinfeld fans ?
Organization: JMB Realty Corporation
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:27:38 GMT

adnan Malik (malik@clam.rutgers.edu) wrote:
:         Is it just me or is anyone who is a Letterman fan also a Seinfeld
: fan..??? Post your name up here if you are both ....
: 

They both have the same edge on their humor.  I like 'em both.  BTW,
I'd prefer to have Dave on an hour earlier.
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From: norris@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Chonak)
Subject: Re: Ratings & Rush
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 07:38:04 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.154920.9131@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, Dean writes:

|> Wrong...  Here are the ACTUAL facts (I have yet to see ANY from you):
|> 
|> (Neilson Syndication ratings, from BROADCASTING 12/14/92)
|> 
|>   Oprah Winfrey            10.2
|>   Donahue                   5.7
|>   Sally Jessy Raphael       5.3
|>   Geraldo                   4.3
|>   Regis & Kathie Lee        4.1
|>   Maury Povich              4.1
|>   Arsenio Hall              3.2
|>   Rush Limbaugh             3.0
|> 
|> So DROP this phony claims about your guy being so incredibly popular.
|> Even MAURY POVICH is doing better than that jerk...   DAVE would/will
|> leave him wallowing *far* behind in his own little radical world.

To be fair, Limbaugh only claims to have the #3 *late-night* program, not the
#3 syndicated talk-show overall.

I'm not surprised that some Letterheads are also dittoheads, considering that
Rush's show is intended to be an entertaining, funny program.  Like LNWDL, it's
based on the personality of the host, a funny guy who does wacky stuff.  

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From: rickk@netmbx.netmbx.de (Rick Kuhlbars)
Subject: Re: New Tonight Show Theme....
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 06:50:00 GMT

In article <1hrru0INNiji@agate.berkeley.edu> slouie@ocf.berkeley.edu (Shelley Louie) writes:
>Actually I think that Jay has just loosened up a bit now that the shadow 
>of Johnny has passed. He's getting a few more jabs in with the guests and
>has stopped interviewing each of the musical guests (Yaaa!). Still has a
>problem with the number of guests he has on though (way too many) and
>doesn't have that quirky style that Dave has.

I watched Leno the other night because Phil Hartman was on.  He does seem
a bit angry (he took a jab at NBC during the monologue), but he also seemed
a bit insecure.  I couldn`t believe that he brought an audience member down
to call his sister (the audience members) who had given him six IOU's for 
the past 6 X-mas's.  Where do we now that stunt from?

Sincerely,

der ricker


Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
From: klein@bob.ece.wisc.edu (Peter Ing)
Subject: Re: Are most letterman fans also Seinfeld fans ?
Organization: Wisconsin Center for Applied Microelectronics, Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 30 Dec 92 21:19:06 CST

In article <Dec.30.01.47.44.1992.18921@clam.rutgers.edu> malik@clam.rutgers.edu (adnan Malik) writes:
>
>        Is it just me or is anyone who is a Letterman fan also a Seinfeld
>fan..??? Post your name up here if you are both ....
>

I am another fan of both; unfortunantly I bet the opposite is not true.  
Most Seinfeld fans are not Letterman fans.  Someone should post in the 
Seinfeld news group this same question.

Well, whatever happens this Spring with DL; its sure to bring a new format
to the show.  I bet one that appeals to more people than just us
diehard fans.  But one thing will remain as it has from the morning show;
the unpolished feel of the show.

I am wondering if anyone knows what happened to J. Walker from the Kinetic
Karnival (I saw it on PBS).  His humor is very similar to DL and I sent
some letters to the DL show asking them to look at Walker as a guest.

klein@bob.ece.wisc.edu


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From: tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan)
Subject: Re: Ratings & Rush
Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 07:56:08 GMT

dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) writes:
>
>Yup, that's DAVE all right, but... i've never really thought of right-wing
>conservatives as generally being comedyphiles.  Just look at how the Bush
>administration reacted to comedy like Murphy Brown and Howard Stern, etc.
>Perhaps "insane" might be a better description than "funny and wacky". :-)
>
>As for Dave fans liking this other guy, I suppose "some" is a good word.
>I doubt very much it is a significant number though.  Dave is probably
>just too "far out" for most right-wing fundies.  Also, the typical VERY
>enthusiastic reaction among the studio audience to Dave's many (great)
>bush/quayle jokes tend to reinforce that idea.

Gee I hope you don't get paid for your suppositions...

Put me down as conservative, don't like Howard Stern or most sitcoms
Murphy Broown or any other, don't care for Rush L. and love Letterman.

I also loved the Dana Carvey bits on SNL and apparently Mr. Bush did
also.

If you had given yourself another minute or two to think I suppose you
could have figured out that Bush/Quayle were Pres/V.Pres for the last
few years... just who do you think that Letterman will be joking about
for the next four ?  Oh, but you figure that the audience won't laugh.

It could be worse... you could be in a position of authority and instead
of wasting everybody's time with half-baked ideas you could be imposing
new tax laws based upon them.

tom
From: woody@terapin.com (Butch Adler)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: NYT reports NBC likely to keep Letterman
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:28:38 GMT
Organization: BBS

About mention Carvey to follow Letterman at 11:30 would be a good idea, and
dump Leno, he's just a reject, let him go... and let him go to CBS Dave's much
much better
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
From: bezenek@plains.NoDak.edu (Todd M. Bezenek KO0N)
Subject: Re: NYT reports NBC likely to keep Letterman
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:25:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Dakota State University, Fargo, ND

In article <1992Dec23.160732.22161@uvmark.uucp> todd@uvmark.uucp (Todd Cooper) writes:

)I am proposing to keep Letterman where he is and Leno where he is.  Change the
)times of the Tonight show and Late night show (News at 10pm, Tonight at 10:30,
)and Late night at 11:30).  This is a radical change and I don't know if it will
)be well received.

If you want that schedule, move into the central time zone.

-Todd
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From: victorm@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Victor Morris)
Subject: Re: CBS AND OTHER REFERENCES
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:12:23 GMT
Reply-To: victorm@hpsmeng1.rose.hp.com
Organization: THE ROOT CAUSE 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]


What about Sam Donaldson's Top 10 Reasons Why Dave Should Come to ABC?

Does anyone have a copy of this list?
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From: slouie@ocf.berkeley.edu (Shelley Louie)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: NYT reports NBC likely to keep Letterman
Date: 23 Dec 1992 09:24:42 GMT
Organization: Bat Radar Studies, UC Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

> todd@uvmark.uucp (Todd Cooper) writes:
>
>A New York Times Article on the front page of the Business section Monday,
>12/21 reports that Mr. Letterman might be retained by NBC and given the 
>tonight show job.  

Wow, if this does happen will Dave move to the Left coast? Or does the 
Tonight Show move back East to NY?  

What will those cheapskate GE executives do next to tear apart NBC? Man, 
the idea of downsizing a network is pretty insane, but by a bunch of 
accountants who have trouble totaling their own IQs without taking off
their shoes, nutzoid-city.

-Shelley
"What a purty kitty!"
From: selent@fraser.sfu.ca (Frank S.)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Who owns the rights to Late Night?
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:27:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada


Is it Dave or NBC?  

The reason I ask, is if Dave moves then A&E might start re-running
old Dave episodes if NBC owns it.  The reason I think NBC told A&E to
stop the old shows was because Dave didn't like it.  But if NBC owns
the rights to the show and Dave leaves, I think they would sell the 
syndication to some other network.

BTW Does Dave own Worldwide Pants Inc?  That opening they had on the A&e
reruns was so strange, world wide pants bringing you the best in pants and
entertainment and pants.  Maybe I made it seem like a rhetorical (sp)
question, but I think it would be Dave who is behind Worldwide Pants Inc.
but I'm not sure.

It sucks missing all the vintage Dave because I was still stuck in junior
high until he he moved from mon-thur to tue-fri.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: The CBS thing
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 11:21:47 GMT


cbusch@ub.d.umn.edu (Chris) writes:
 >   Someone earlier metioned refering to the rescheduling of late shows
 >that having the news at 10:00 is too early, and having late shows start
 >at 10:30 is too early.  Actually in the midwest, news is at 10:00 with
 >late shoes starting at 10:30.  In addition I have heard of TV stations
 >out west starting their news at 10:30 to boost ratings.

Network stations don't normally have that luxury, but independants 
certainly do.  In L.A. the big indy stations start their local news
either at 8, 9, or 10pm...

 >The idea of Dave taking over he Tonight is ridiculus.

TOTALLY!  The *only* thing Dave should "take over" from the T.S.
would be the TIME SLOT...  Jay's biggest problem is that he DID
take over, rather than starting a new show of his own.

 >Actually Late Night on CBS will be better for the viewers in my opinion,
 >the viewer can pick the show that best fits him/her.

True enough...  I think Dave fully deserves a better time slot,
along with the higher ratings that would come with it.

 >On Entertainment tonight I heard that Jay Leno makes only $3 million
 >compared to Letterman making 3-4 times that amount.

Currently Dave only gets around $4-5M, but $16 million sounds 
about like the right raise to me.  :-)
From: motd@coos.dartmouth.edu (Peter A. Jolicoeur)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Are most letterman fans also Seinfeld fans ?
Date: 30 Dec 92 23:43:36 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

malik@clam.rutgers.edu (adnan Malik) writes:


>        Is it just me or is anyone who is a Letterman fan also a Seinfeld
>fan..??? Post your name up here if you are both ....

>        By the way, I don't want Dave to move, I like him where he is.
>But, if he wants to move, no problem, I just hope he stays in the
>12:30-1:30 time slot.

>                       Later...
>                          Adnan Malik

You can also put me down on what I assume will be a long list of both Seinfeld
and Letterman fans.

But, I am *really* hoping that NBC makes a damn good counteroffer so that Dave
stays with them. The <selfish> reason being that I can only pick up two TV
networks up here in the Upper Valley Region o' Hanover, NH => PBS and NBC.

Late nite work sessions just won't be the same without Dave! Of course, I read
somewhere that one reason that Dave doesn't like his current time slot is: "Too
many college students and prison inmates."
   
     => Peter

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From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams)
Subject: Re: Ratings & Rush
Organization: Utopia Planitia Starfleet Yards, Mars
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 11:25:51 GMT


tleylan@pegasus.com (Tom Leylan) writes:
 >>the typical VERY enthusiastic reaction among the studio audience to 
 >>Dave's many (great) bush/quayle jokes tend to reinforce that idea.
 >Gee I hope you don't get paid for your suppositions...
Heh... well, I suppose that I do.

 >Put me down as conservative, don't like Howard Stern or most sitcoms
 >Murphy Broown or any other,
Oh, well.  It's your loss.  But... doesn't that reflect somewhat 
on the previous "comedyphiles" supposition?  Hmmm...  :->

 >don't care for Rush L. and love Letterman.
Glad to hear it..<heh>

 >I also loved the Dana Carvey bits on SNL and apparently Mr. Bush did also.
Who knows what he really thinks...  I certainly enjoy just about all of 
the political stuff on SNL.  Carvey and Hartman both do a great job.

 >could have figured out that Bush/Quayle were Pres/V.Pres for the last
 >few years... 
Believe me I *HAVE* tried to forget!

 >just who do you think that Letterman will be joking about for the 
 >next four ?  Oh, but you figure that the audience won't laugh.

Oh?  *I* certainly will be.  He had some good Clinton stuff just last night.
The point was that many audience reactions showed a majority anti-bush view.
(that was also reflected all too well on a certain date last month BTW :)


swarren@convex.com (Steve Warren) writes:
 >Give me a break.  You think everyone has to agree with you politically
 >to have a sense of humor?  Talk about ego-centricity...

Who said *anything* about "agreeing with"??  EXCUSE me if I don't
expect Jesse Helms and the like to be a real "fun" crowd.  :->
From: slouie@ocf.berkeley.edu (Shelley Louie)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: New Tonight Show Theme....
Date: 30 Dec 1992 09:59:28 GMT
Organization: Bat Radar Studies, UC Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

> rnovak@nyx.cs.du.edu (Robert Novak) writes:
><the new "singable" theme of TTS>
>
>Has he been doing stuff like this since the Letterman crises began?

Actually I think that Jay has just loosened up a bit now that the shadow 
of Johnny has passed. He's getting a few more jabs in with the guests and
has stopped interviewing each of the musical guests (Yaaa!). Still has a
problem with the number of guests he has on though (way too many) and
doesn't have that quirky style that Dave has.

Now that he's shown he can handle the 11:30 spot, he seems to have started
it's slow transmorgification into "The Leno Show". 

-Shelley
Digital is illusion. Life is analog.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
From: gopher@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Chris Bovitz)
Subject: Re: NYT reports NBC likely to keep Letterman
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 22:41:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.142511.61834@uvmark.uucp> todd@uvmark.uucp (Todd Cooper) writes:
>
>A New York Times Article on the front page of the Business section Monday,
>12/21 reports that Mr. Letterman might be retained by NBC and given the 
>tonight show job.  

[other stuff about NBC's need for Dave]

>In my opinion, they should radically change the whole layout. Move the local
>news, move the Tonight Show, and move Late Night/with Letterman.  The only
>problem is convincing the affiliates that they could make more money by having
>local news at a different time from the competition.  There was also mention
>of letting Mr. Letterman produce several prime time specials.  This would 
>placate him, while giving him an earlier Late Night would also make him happy.

>If they give the Tonight show to Dave, Paul will no longer have a job.  I
>doubt that his band plays the type of things that they want for the Tonight 
>show. Maybe they will move Paul and hire a new band. Maybe Marsalis will work
>with Schaffer (sp?).

Waitaminit.  Why would the time of the local news have to change?  

As you report, they'd be making Dave the host of the Tonight show.  I'd 
assume that Dave would be able to take Paul & his band along, either 
because that's what they'd let him do, or by his demands.  I think NBC is 
in a position that Dave has the upper hand and can really turn the screws 
to NBC.  

I don't think that Dave & Branford Marsalis would work well together.  
He'll keep Paul.  Definitely.

>Perhaps they can even shorten either the Tonight show, Late night, or both
>shows.

Why?  Everything works as it is.

Ok, next question:  If NBC did give Dave the Tonight Show, who would 
follow @ 12:30?  Dana Carvey?  Leno?  (Hope not - he'd be dead ratings-wise).  
Not because he's not good.  I think he's alright.  But the Tonight show crowd 
(at least when Carson was host) probably won't stay up until 12:30 to 
watch Leno, especially if he's not that good like people are saying.

I hope this doesn't sound like a flame.  It isn't meant to be one.

Chris

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From: minehart@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Interview w/Jason Alexander
Date: 22 Dec 92 11:36:48 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa


klein@bob.ece.wisc.edu (Peter Ing) writes:

>It seemed to me that Dave doesn't really like Jason.  Dave always leans over
>and says a few standard words to each guest before commercial breaks or
>after the interview, but not with Jason.  Dave completely ignored Jason
>as soon as Paul and the Band started to play.  I am wondering what Jason's
>background is or if it was something else that pissed Dave off.


I didn't see the show, but maybe David's possessive about his own schtick. 
Like it's okay for me to make fun of the fans, but don't you try it.  Maybe
Jason seemed a little too eager for Dave's taste at that moment in time.
From: woody@terapin.com (Butch Adler)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Letterman Fan Club
Date: 2 Jan 93 00:27:39 PST
Organization: BBS

I was just wondering if there was a Late Night with David Letterman fan club,
if so, could I get some info, if not, how about one of the regulars here
starting one up?
From: slouie@ocf.berkeley.edu (Shelley Louie)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Distributing Top Ten Lists
Date: 23 Dec 1992 09:07:32 GMT
Organization: Bat Radar Studies, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>
>I found a "shareware" database today on a local BBS that is all Top 10
>lists. The compilers say the database is for "entertainment" only...
>
>Is this legal? These are actual David Letterman Top 10 lists <tm>.

Well, I get the SF Examiner and they are kind enough to print the previous
night's Top Ten List. There appears to be no copyright to it. Instead at the
bottom it says "Courtesy of NBC'. Sounds like there's no copyright, so the
distribution is legal... I think.... 

-Shelley "Ain't got no law degree" Louie
"I took the law and threw it away"