HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wsnell@ops.agsci.colostate.edu (Warren Snelling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: What is setblt?
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:58:02 GMT
Reply-To: wsnell@ops.agsci.colostate.edu (Warren Snelling)
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado State University, College of Agriculture

We just installed the StarGROUP LAN Manager DOS Client 3.4 on a
couple 386 PC's with network adapters that claim to be compatable
with the Novell NE2000 NDIS driver.  This configuration works fine
as long as setblt is removed from the line with 

	attutils = nps, prtsc, netmsg, ...

in lanman.ini.  We can't find anything about setblt in any of our
documentataion.

What is setblt?   What are we missing by not using it?  Any 
suggestions for the proper configuration using the NE2000 NDIS
driver?


Thanks in advance,

Warren Snelling
wsnell@ops.agsci.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
From: merce@iguana.uucp (Jim Mercer)
Subject: BSD networking ports to 3B2 WIN/TCP?
Organization: Ed (the iguana) Memorial Society
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 92 05:21:31 GMT

i have heard about people porting some of the BSD stuff to WIN/TCP.

i have picked up one such package, but it turns that this one is more
for the 3b1.

can anyone point me at functional replacements for the various WIN/3B stuff?

thanx
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
From: woods@robohack.UUCP (Greg A. Woods)
Subject: Re: Help on emacs after cu
Organization: Elegant Communications Inc.
Keywords: emacs, cu
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 00:44:22 GMT

In article <Apr.11.21.54.46.1992.24543@caip.rutgers.edu> xchen@caip.rutgers.edu (Xinghao Chen) writes:
>    I am using my home computer, an ATT 3B2/300, to cu in school. The terminls
> are an ATT5620  (console) and an ATT4425 (tty13). I also have an
> USRobotics SPORTSTERS 2400 external modem connected to the 3B2/300
> computer's contty port. 

First off, do your self a very big favour and put the 5620 on the
[E]PORTS card, and the 4425 on the console.

The console port on a 3b2 is simple (dumb) UART, and the console
driver must service every interrupt.  This is quite a load when
running layers at 19.2 Kbaud or even 9600!

Also, when running layers, you'll lose everything that's sent to
/dev/console, as the layers xt driver does not map the original device
to any of the pseudo-device channels.....

>    I am having problem with emacs on the remote computer in the school
> after cuing in. When the school's machine asked for the terminal type,
> I tried vt52, vt50, vt100, v100 but none of them work for the emacs.

The 5620 is nearly X3.64, but not quite.  It needs its own termcap or
terminfo entry.  Not sure about the 4425, and though a quick read
through the output of 'infocmp 4425' seems to indicate a minimal x3.64
definition should work OK, it would also work far better with its own
termcap/terminfo entry. See your local sys-admin for help....

>    If I connect the modem directly to the terminals and dialin the
> same shool machine and set the terminal type tty5620 for the ATT5620
> terminal and vt52 for the ATT4425, the emacs worked fine.

So, why don't you set the terminal type to 'tty5620' (or 'dmd') when
you login through cu?  Cu is a pipe.  It don't matter beans what you
defined to your local system as the terminal type; you still have to
set the terminal type on the remote system when you use cu.

You don't mention what the remote system is, but from the way you say
things I'd guess it's a BSD based system and doesn't have terminfo,
but rather relies on termcap for terminal definitions.  If the termcap
file on this remote system does not have any entries for either of
your terminals, you can generate sample ones by using 'infocmp -C' on
your local system, saving the output in a file on your remote system,
and then setting the TERMCAP environment variable to point at this
file, or actually contain the contents of this file.  Again, see your
local sys-admin (i.e. the one at the school!) for more help.
-- 
						Greg A. Woods

woods@robohack.UUCP woods@Elegant.COM  VE3-TCP	UniForum Canada & Elegant Comm.
(416) 443-1734 [home]  (416) 595-5425 [work]	Toronto, Ontario; CANADA
From: shwake@raysnec.UUCP (Raymond N. Shwake)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Using non-AT&T NIC's with StarGROUP Lan Manager
Date: 5 Apr 92 21:44:27 GMT
Organization: A/C International

We're attempting to set up server and clients for StarGROUP version 3.2
using 3COM and WD/SMC ethernet cards. The installation routines for both
client and server recognize only AT&T cards (surprise!). Has anyone had
experience (and success) using non-AT&T cards?

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From: rdc30@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (LCDR Michael E. Dobson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: GCC machine defs for 3B2
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:22:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command


Can anyone mail me or tell me where I can get the proper machine
definitions to build gcc-2.1 on a 3B2/600G?  I have an old (1.37 or 1.39)
binary but don't recall where I got it from.  It was binary only and didn't
include the info to generate it.  I had thought that the 3B2 was now
supported but looking at the 2.1 configuration info this does not seem to
be the case.

Thanks in advance!

Mike

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.att:1228 comp.unix.questions:5897
From: skilby@ucqais.cba.uc.edu (Steven M. Kilby)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.unix.questions
Subject: lpd
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:53:19 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati, College of Business

Hello all.......

	Ok.... I am running an AT&T 3B2/400 under Sys V R3.2.2.  I have just
finished my port of lpr, lpd, etc....  The stuff works great!  I did this
port because I have seen a lot of people posting, asking for something to this
effect.  (I could use it myself too... 8) ).  Anyway, I did it, it works, and
I would like to share it.  However......  I am not sure of the legalities.

	I started with the original BSD source and a piece of source that
somone hacked for the 3B1.  The 3B1 stuff doesn't appear to have an individuals
name, copyright, etc.... but it does still contain the BSD copyrights intact.
So...... can someone out there tell me whether or not I can post this stuff!?
Thanks..........



Steven Kilby
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
From: afc@shibaya.lonestar.org (Augustine Cano)
Subject: Re: PC 7300
Organization: Multidisciplinary Designs Unlimited
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 13:17:19 GMT

In article <ku59csINN4o2@skat.usc.edu> jlowrey@skat.usc.edu (John 'Fritz' Lowrey) writes:
>In article <6205@public.BTR.COM> thad@public.BTR.COM (Thaddeus P. Floryan) writes:
>...
>>Binary-compatible systems include the Motorola 6300 and 6350, and the
>>Convergent Miniframe.
>[... yet more editing ...]
>>Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com (OR) {decwrl, mips, fernwood}!btr!thad ]
>
>	YOUCH!
>	Never thought that *I* might correct Thad, but the 6300 was based
>on the 808[86] and was a DOS capable machine (ie it could run DOS or 

The *AT&T* 6300, yes.  The *Motorola* 6300 is a totally different machine.

>AT&T Unix, I think).  I don't know about the 6350, but the 6300 is also
>infamous for having is clock choke on 1 Jan, 1992 (date correct?).  
>	As far as I know the rest of the information Thad gave was correct
>but unless I have seriously been mislead the 6300 is not related to the 
>7300 except for being constructed by AT&T/Convergent Tech.

The number is the same, the manufacturers and everything else is different.

>						Fritz
>
>-- 
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>         I hope I never see one,               | USC Computer Consulting
>         But, let me tell you, here and now,   | Internet: jlowrey@usc.edu
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From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: How to read 3B1 cpio floppy disks om an AT&T 6386????
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:08:20 GMT
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX

In article <1992Apr9.230936.25186@rbdc.wsnc.org> andy@rbdc.wsnc.org (Andy Pitts) writes:
>Has anyone found the magic cooky to read 3B1 flopy cpio disks (created
>with find ....|cpio -ocvB>/dev/rfp021) on an AT&T 6386E running System V
>R3.2?  I have tried "cpio -icvdumBkI/dev/rdsk/f05d8u".  This seems to
>read the first disk in the set fine, but all others get an "Out of sync"
>message when thay begin.

Since you have AT&T's R3.2 you can just use the strange and undocumented
/etc/.cpiopc which seems to be designed exactly for that purpose.
Otherwise you would have to use dd to read in the disk images and
adjust for the blocking factor.  The problem is that the block size
used on the 3b1 doesn't quite fill the disk but I forget the exact
details. 

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
From: n8743196@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Jeff Wandling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: testing WIN/3B
Summary: need some test code
Keywords: WIN/3B SYSv 3B15
Date: 12 Apr 92 04:51:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr12.045136.13351
Organization: Western Washington University


I've been trying out some of the TLI and socket code from Stevens
book on this donated machine (3B15). I don't know why, but both
t_bind() and bind() are failing. My code is ok, but I have
the feeling that the WIN/3B is not installed completely.

Does someone have some sure-fire code? Simple client/server model 
stuff is fine. I just need to demonstrate that there is an
alternate explanation for why I'm having this incredible streak of
bad luck. 

On a similar note, does there exist in the public domain documentation
on WIN/3B? Either free, via ftp, or with $$ from a book seller?

Thanks in advance.
-- 
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Xref: sparky comp.sys.att:1276 misc.forsale:13929
From: xchen@caip.rutgers.edu (Xinghao Chen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,misc.forsale
Subject: Wanted: AT&T 212AR Modem User's Manual
Keywords: 212AR modem, manual
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:39:41 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.att
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


 The topic says all. If you have one to spare, please drop me a line
 at  xchen@caip.rutgers.edu.

 Thanks for reply.

 -Chen
From: sytang@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Shoou-yu tang)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: jumper setting for Wangtek 5099SC24 tape drive
Date: 16 Apr 92 04:29:08 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523


 This may seems to in the wrong group, but Wangtek said the tape drive is custom
 made for AT&T and probably used in 3B2 series, so try to see if anyone has one.
 What I need to know is the jumpers setting for it, like where is the SCSI 
 address jumper, and what's other jumper for?
 Thank you.
 Tang
 sytang@lamar.colostate.edu
From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: PC 7300
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:32:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <ku59csINN4o2@skat.usc.edu> jlowrey@skat.usc.edu (John 'Fritz' Lowrey) writes:
>In article <6205@public.BTR.COM> thad@public.BTR.COM (Thaddeus P. Floryan) writes:
>>
>[... a bit of editing ...]
>>Binary-compatible systems include the Motorola 6300 and 6350, and the
>>Convergent Miniframe.
>	YOUCH!
>	Never thought that *I* might correct Thad, but the 6300 was based
>						Fritz

Fritz, Thad is correct, you missed the name Motorola in front of the 6300. AT&T
does indeed have a 6300 which is an 8086 based machine. But Motorola and AT&T
are not the same company.

NJC
From: jlowrey@skat.usc.edu (John 'Fritz' Lowrey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: PC 7300
Date: 8 Apr 1992 08:26:56 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: comp
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

	Folks,
	As has been pointed out by a number folks I was mistaken when I
posted a "correction" to Thad Floryans article about MOTOROLA 6300s.
I was reading it as the AT&T 6300, which is a horse of an entirely different
color.  Sorry for the wasted net.bandwidth and the confusion.  Thanks for
the folks who caught it and let me know.

						Fritz

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         I hope I never see one,               | USC Computer Consulting
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         I'd rather see than be one."          | UUCP:     !uunet!usc!jlowrey
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: Re: Info on 3b2 wanted
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:57:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL

In article <1j4t1cn@rpi.edu> nautilus@lachesis.acm.rpi.edu (John M. Twilley) writes:
>
>Well, the original thread was that someone wanted to sell their 3b2/310.
> 
>Has that person sold it?  Has an appropriate value been set?

It was not sold of last week when I reposted the message.

If you want to make an offer, it's a free call.  800-354-8324


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From: andy@rbdc.wsnc.org (Andy Pitts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: How to read 3B1 cpio floppy disks om an AT&T 6386????
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:09:36 GMT
Organization: Red Barn Data Center Public Access Unix, Winston-Salem, NC.

Has anyone found the magic cooky to read 3B1 flopy cpio disks (created
with find ....|cpio -ocvB>/dev/rfp021) on an AT&T 6386E running System V
R3.2?  I have tried "cpio -icvdumBkI/dev/rdsk/f05d8u".  This seems to
read the first disk in the set fine, but all others get an "Out of sync"
message when thay begin.

Any Ideas?

Thanks

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From: dave@das13.snide.com (Dave Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att,comp.sys.3b1
Subject: Re: Can one use both sides of a 5.25" disk?
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:14:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: das13.1660
Followup-To: comp.sys.3b1
Organization: Snide Inc. - Folcroft, PA

In article <1992Apr10.045319.1044@nixhub.UUCP>, dburr@nixhub.UUCP (Donald Burr) writes:
-> I remember from my Apple II days, that I used to be able to use both
-> sides of a 5.25" floppy disk, by simply punching a hole on the other side
-> of the disk where the write-protect hole should be; then just flip the
-> disk over, and you can use that side, without destroying the stuff on
-> the other side.

-> Can you do this with the 5.25" floppy on the 3b1?

The 3B1 uses a double-sided double-density drive, both sides are already
being used.

DAS
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From: xchen@caip.rutgers.edu (Xinghao Chen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
Subject: parallel port on ATT5620
Keywords: parallel port, ATT5620
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:35:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: caip.Apr.12.12.35.41.1992.1847
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Hello there:

    When I was repairing my ATT5620 terminal last Friday, I found out
that there is a parallel port at the backplane (It is shield with a
metal plate which made me believe that the parallel port is not equiped.).
I also have a spare parallel port on the I/O card. If I connect the
ATT5620 terminal to the parallel port instead of the serial port on
my 3B2/300 comuter, would it acts faster? I am planning to install the
DMD software so I can use the 5620 for layers.

    What I like to know is if ist is a good idear to connect the ATT5620
terminal parallel port to the 3B2/300 parallel port, before I buy the
cable for the connection.

     Thanks for any advice.

     -Chen                   xchen@caip.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
From: green@eng.umd.edu (Michael Green)
Subject: Need help with dead 3B2/500
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 16:25:16 GMT
Organization: Dept. Anesthesiology, UM at Baltimore
Distribution: na

After a recent power outage our 3B2 Model 500 refused to boot
back up. It fails the diagnostics and says "refer to system
admin manual". I have tried to get into firmware mode by
pressing the button at the back of the machine and typing the
firmware password (what is the correct sequence/timing for this
anyway?). Occasionally I get the firmware prompt but nothing else.
I'm expecting irt to ask me for the name of the program to load
but I NEVER get that prompt? In desperation I bought a new
battery but that didn't help.

Does anyone have any suggestions. I'd like to get into diagnostic
mode via firmware to trace the problem.

Thanks for any help.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
From: dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman)
Subject: Computer Depreciation (was Re: Info on 3b2 wanted)
Organization: The Spud Goodman Show
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 00:38:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr1.040927.7419@arrakis.denver.co.us> thor@arrakis.denver.co.us (Robert B. Hood) writes:
	trimmed...
>I purchased my 3B2/300 last summer from a former supervisor who picked
>it up at an auction and never did anything with it.  I had just learned
>about the beasties the previous spring, so I drooled at the possibility.
>
>He asked me for $500; I offered him $300.  He accepted.
>
>What I received in the deal was:
>
>       - AT&T 3b2 model 300 with:
>             - 33MB CDC Hard Drive (I've since added a second, 72MB
>               hard drive)
>             - 5.25" 720K Floppy Drive
>             - 4-Port RJ-45 serial card (and a 5th that looks
>                  like a parallel printer connector)
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It is.  This is the famous 3B2 "PORTS" card.  Kind of handy, because you
can use cheapie PC printers without a serial adapter.

>             - UNIX System V Release 3.0 on the hard drive
>             - 2MB RAM
>       - An AT&T 4410 terminal
>       - Original AT&T distribution diskettes for SVR3.0
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Keep these someplace real safe... $1200 replacement cost, just for the
core pack which basically gets you to single-user mode.

>       - Complete set of AT&T UNIX SVR3.1 manuals (including
>         "Off-line Diagnostics Manual" and the "Programmer's
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I've heard tell of these :-).  At $125, I'm waiting to find one used.

>         Reference Manaual").  A $700 value.
>
ARGH!  And I thought I was getting such a deal 3 years ago when I bought
a 300 for $2500!  Actually, 3 years ago it was a pretty good price, since
AT&T was still selling the 3B2-310 NEW for (are you ready?) **$15,000**!
I still have the bid - and we were a "good customer", too.
Of course, my $2500 included a brand new 72 meg drive.  Nothing depreciates
faster than a computer - not even a day-old car. :-)
But ethernet - that's still pretty spendy, even used.  Maybe in 2 or 3
more years it'll be cheaper.  I think the 3B2 is going to be the '65
Impala of computers.  Handed down from generation to generation.  I'm
babying mine, hoping it will last till the turn of the century.  And I've
now got it tricked out with an XM, tape drive, AIC card, EPORTS card, C
comiler with SCCS - see, just like a kid with an old Chev! :-)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
From: jeffrey@squid.tram.com (Jeffrey L Bromberger)
Subject: Pcomm problems on AT&T 3B2/SVR3.1
Organization: Tramway Unix Systems
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 04:51:44 GMT
Summary: It refuses to access the modem
Keywords: pcomm modem BNU curses

I'm having a tough time making pcomm v1.2.10 work on my 3B2 (running
svr3.1).

I have followed the instructions in the Readme.3b2 file.  This
suggested setting ASCII_PID, SETUGID, and modified the LOCKDIR.  I
also patched the read() statement in terminal.c to become a getch().

So, I compile the program without a complaint.  I set it to suid-UUCP
and fire it off.  There are a few things I notice wrong.  The first is
that, when initializing, I see no modem activity (I used to see the
lights flash on my modem when I did this on my 3B1).  Second, in the
Dial menu, I enter the number of the system to dial, and the terminal
beeps at me.  Seems like it does not like the CR or ENTER keys.  The
arrow keys seem to scroll me down a screen at a time.  Since I cannot
dial this way, I can only use the Manual mode.  I enter the number to
dial - CR is accepted in this mode.  Next, I look to my modem.  I see
TerminalReady light up for the first time, and then the program hangs.
No flicker of light to indicate that any command has been passed to
the modem.

The modes on the tty entry are fine.  There's no UUGETTY holding on
the line.  The lock file arrives correctly (to lock the tty).  I
cannot figure out what's holding the program back.

I usually have no complaints with pcomm - it works almost flawlessly
on my 3B1.  Just curious if anyone else has had the same problems I
have, and in particular, has found a way to get around them.

Many thanks for any help you can share.

j
-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.att
From: dougcarr@ncc.uky.edu (Doug Carr)
Subject: AT&T 6386 WGSE Hard Drives
Organization: University of Kentucky, Communications Services
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:00:05 GMT
Distribution: na
X-Bytes: 

     Hello,

  Has anyone been successful in using high capcity hard drives in 
AT&T 6386WGS E systems? We have several now with ESDI controllers and
300 MD drives, running unix SYSV. I would like to replace the 300 MB
drives with something in the range of about 600 MB.

  If you have had experience adding hard drives to this type of system
please E-mail me with you observastions.



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