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From: spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)
Subject: Re: Bathroom reading
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:52:00 GMT

Mark Taranto writes...
>betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes (of M.F.K.Fisher):
>> I like her translation of Brillat-Savarin; it's the ideal
>> back-of-the-toilet book, amenable to non-chronological and
>> interrupted reading.
>I've always found Eliot's THE LOVE SONG OF J. ALFRED PRUFROCK to be
>the perfect length for a shit.
>Any other suggestions?
>Mark
+-----------------------------------------------SubG--------------------------+
This is a subject that has much occupied my thoughts.
For quite some time, I took a copy of _Swann's Way_ with me to the w.c.;  this 
solved the problem of restroom reading for a good year or so (that is to say, I 
was reading none of it elsewhere but in the latrine, and it was my only
bathroom book for that time).

Recently, I've completed Guillermo Infante's _Holy Smoke_ in the john.

I must admit, however, that these are not ideal solutions to the problem.
A copy of Bill Mauldin's _Up Front_ (or any of his other books) is pretty well 
adapted for flipping through.
Mark's poetry suggestion is well taken;  I've often found that a verse or two
of Allen Ginsberg's fits my state of mind whilst defecating.
For a dramatic shit, I'd commend the plays of Ben Johnson to you.
And speaking of Johnsons (proper bathroom humour here [Ack!  Deliver unto me no 
meta-puns!]), I've gone through Boswell's _London Diary_ in recent months on the
throne.

On my bathroom reading wish list?  A complete edition of Johnson's _Dictionary_.
Or (while I'm dreaming) a complete edition of Sir Richard Francis Burton's 
translation of _Thousand Nights and a Night_.




Yours etc.,




SubGenius

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: Mr_b
Subject: Re: philip k. dick
Organization: LMSC
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:08:49 GMT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
On Fri, 31 Jul 1992  Mark said:
>I've noticed that there has been a thread here recently on Philip K. Dick,
>and I must confess I haven't been following it because I haven't read much
>of his stuff.  I have a very general question: I notice that Dick has somehow
>become, rather recently, a "darling of the academy," and essays on him are
>popping up in scholarly journals and in the NYTBR.

IMHO the article in the NY Times Book Review a few months ago was void
of any information about PKD or his abilities.  It appeared that the
writer was recording his own impressions about recently hearing of PKD
and his new popularity and then randomly chosing a PKD book and
giving a synopsis.  Just in case anyone is planning to spend time
hunting down that article.

>someone in the know give me a rundown on PKD--what is worth reading, esp.
I like almost everything, but if you want to start on the new Vintage
editions, 'VALIS' would get one of my votes.  Especially since it has
character-types that tie in with some other PKD books, (more so than 'Do
Androids...' and 'Flow My Tears...').  'VALIS' may help you relate to
'The Divine Invasion' and 'Transmigration (?) of Timothy Archer' and
'Radio Free Albimuth.'

More questions deleted..

And to answer Marks final question, the phrase 'Flow My Tears' is all or
part of the title of a piece by John Dowland, early English musician.
Just as 'The Man in the High Castle' has characters obsessed with
the I Ching, several other PKD stories (titles omitted due to
amnesia) have characters who think a lot about John Dowland- mostly
because they feel he was a formative force in classical music.

----
Mr_b@lmsc.lockheed.com
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From: spg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie)
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:50:10 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.075717.104265@zeus.calpoly.edu> rcasey@zeus.calpoly.edu (Rosalie J Casey) writes:
>
>	If you had a bet to take, either for a god and go to 
>'eternal bliss', or that there is no god and take your chances...
>
>where would your money be?

But if it's just a question of hedging your bets why stop with worshipping
just one God. After all, betting on the wrong horse loses you more than
hanging on to your money (what if the real God is jealous).
So to be safe you should worship Jesus, Allah, Buddha, Apollo, Zeus, Thor,
the Sun, the Moon, Satan, the Big Rabbit,...



Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.misc
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Mandatory negatives (was Re: Agnostics and Athiests)
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 16:17:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.120909.23748@cas.org> sdr57@cas.org writes:
>In article <1992Jul31.001200.5775@pbhya.PacBell.COM> whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
>>
>>Is the atheist permitted to note that, given the absence of evidence
>>*for* the existience of the supernatural, that a tentative hypothesis
>>of non-existence seems to be in order?
>
>Unfortunately for the atheist, and as has been frequently noted in other
>contexts, absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

Perhaps I should have emphasized "tentative" . . .

At what point does the continuing lack of evidence become a
presumption that no evidence will show up?

	--Hal
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,soc.history,alt.books.reviews
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: The Trinity Paradox (Anderson and Beason) [Feynman fans] (fiction)
Keywords: pre-nuclear history,
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 20:41:07 GMT
Summary: revisionist history, Back to the Future,...

For populist Feynman fans.....

A couple of months ago I was cruising the bookstores in Santa Cruz
when my ex-officemate George said that I absolutely had to read a book.
We went to four additional ones when he collared this book.  I have
held off a post so far to inform a few friends (non-electronic)
that they might get this book.  Open the flood gates.

The Trinity Paradox concerns Elizabeth Devane, an anti-nuclear activist
(UC Berkeley physics graduate, and feminist), who accidentally gets sent back
to 1943 and is given a "chance" to change the world.  After trying to sabotage
a 1990s weapons test, she finds herself in a canyon in 1943 next to Los Alamos.

She gets taken in because of the early confusion (a notorious safecracker helps
her out), at one point she remarks, "Surely, you're joking Mr. Feynman."
Such a book can't take itself too lightly.  Other characters she meets include:
John von Neumann (she becomes one of the women in the vast halls of
"computers"), General Leslie Groves, Oppie (Robert, but not Frank),
Fermi, Edward Teller, etc.

The fun begins when Elizabeth realizes that she has a chance to change the
course of history.
The book proposes several possible courses of history (don't want to
spoil too much for you):

What if Germany learned of the American bomb project and accelerated
development?

What if key figures (like Teller) died before development completed?

What if some one had been assassinated?

What *about* "implosion?"

Would the "bomb" still be dropped?  (The political conservatism of the
authors should be noted for the biases to this answer.)
Elizabeth starts by moving decimal points.  No, she does not get back to 1991,
but the story's Epilog ends in new-1952.

Elizabeth's feminist perspective makes for a few problems.

The book is sort of like Back to the Future II without a III.

The one major problem I had with the book was that Feynman's first wife was
dying at the time.  That fact kind of made flirting by Feynman unlikely.

Anderson and Beason are acquainted with the weapons industry:
one is a technical writer at LLNL the other a section head at AFWL.
One of them took a post in WDC some time ago.  This is their second book
together, a third is being written.  The publisher is Bantam. 1992.

Followups to rec.arts.books.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: bhahn@sw.stratus.com (Bill Hahn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Unspoken Words
Date: 29 Jul 92 21:16:56 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.

Three quick examples:

"I was My-zzled."  for "I was misled."
"A brick a da bra" for "Abra ca dabra"  (the old magic chant).
"eppy-tome" for "epitome".

-- 
Bill Hahn               bhahn@sw.stratus.com
Stratus Computer        "Dying would definitely slow us down." -
Marlboro, MA, USA           Rich Frongillo
--------- These are my opinions and not necessarily those of Stratus.------
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:48:48

I believe it was Friedrich Engels who said that an agnostic was a
"shame-faced atheist".  It should be noted that "atheist" was an
effective term of abuse until recently.  Theodore Roosevelt called Tom
Paine "a dirty little atheist".

--
John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
*
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.

Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.misc,rec.humor,alt.folklore.urban,alt.religion.kibology
From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: help please, when did Isaac Asimov die?
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 23:27:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.191303.20390@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath) writes:
>: >>
>: >>NOT Isaac!  He's up there raising H*** with someone!
>: > 
>: > Ah, a-hem, that would be *down* there.
>: 
>: But do atheists _go_ anywhere when they die?
> 
>I would not say that he was an atheist. More correctly, he just did not
>accept any "Devine text" as literal truth. 

"Andy", no doubt . . .

I think Asimov made it pretty plain that he considered the existence
to the supernatural--of any sort--to be exceedingly unlikely.  It's a
fair claim to describe him as having been an atheist.

As to where an atheist goes . . .  6 feet under, one presumes.

	--Hal
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
From: yarnot@csusac.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Revisited Classics (was Re: Little Men)
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:06:47 GMT
Organization: Moi?

One of my favorites which has stood up to re-reading has been DADDY LONG LEGS
by Jean Webster.  (I like epistolary books anyway, as 84, CHARING CROSS ROAD)
Sometimes I worry about what I've done to my kids' expectations of women's
roles in society, considering my favorites usually have "she married well and
lived happily ever after" endings, like the Anne-of-Green-Gables books, or
LITTLE WOMEN, etc., but they seem to have come out of the "read to me" stage
unscathed.
 
I also cherish a fondness for most of the Oz books.  My absolute favorite is
THE PATCHWORK GIRL OF OZ, and I want a Woozy of my very own.

-- 
---Jan Yarnot, net.grandma.-- | A lifetime of smirking behind your hand
                              | is a lot better than a few seconds of
                              | triumph.
CSUS depends on my every word.              Kinsella, _Box Socials_
From:  (jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: origin of skid row
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:41:30 GMT
Organization: haphazard, at best

In article <1992Jul31.072420.18989@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Carl J.M. Alexander) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Jul30.233215.12496@cs.yale.edu> loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore) writes:
> >carlj@muppet.bt.co.uk (Carl Johnson) writes:
> >
> >   Well the subject pretty much says it all, does anyone
> >   know the origin of the term?
> >
> >I've heard that it originates from a Skid Road that existed in Seattle
> >in the 1800's.  It was used to skid logs down to the waterfront.
>  


Is this where the phrase "to be on the skids" i.e. down on one's luck, originate
from?  

Jon   jmhodapp@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu
===============================
There are three possible parts to a date, of which at least two must be
offered: entertainment, food, and affection.  It is customary to begin
a series of dates with a great deal of entertainment, a moderate amount
of food, and the merest suggestion of affection.  As the amount of
affection increases, the entertainment can be reduced proportionately.
When the affection IS the entertainment, we no longer call it dating.
Under no circumstances can the food be omitted.
                -- Miss Manners' Guide to Excruciatingly Correct Behaviour
From: marym@mpd.tandem.com (Mary Matejka)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: looking for book by Cranfill
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:23:02 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX
Originator: marym@tzone.mpd.tandem.com


I am looking for a couple of out of print books by
J.R. (I think) Cranfill. They are entitled "My Boyhood
in Texas" and "History of Texas Baptists). I have been
checking used book stores off and on for several year
without any luck. I am thinking about a book search.
Any hints?
From: pasupat@ecf.toronto.edu (Subbarayan Pasupathy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: REQUEST FOR HOLMES STORY
Keywords: Randall Collins,Philosopher's Ring
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:30:30 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility

I would appreciate information on where I can locate a copy of
the Sherlock Holmes story called "Case of the philosophers'
ring" by Randall Collins.
If it is not too much trouble,I would appreciate if someone
can send me a copy of the article.I believe that the article 
mentions the mathematicians Hardy and the Indian mathematician
Ramanujan and I need it for a project on mathematicians
referred to in fiction.
Thanks for any help.
S.Pasupathy
pasupat@ecf.toronto.edu
Department of Electrical Engineering
University of Toronto
Toronto,Ontario
Canada M5S 1A4
From: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher M. Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.misc,alt.folklore.urban,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: help please, when did Isaac Asimov die?
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:45:24 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <MICHAEL.92Jul30134553@paul.bu.edu> michael@paul.bu.edu (Michael Chaplin) writes:

>with the Church of Christ Scientist, look up Mary Baker Eddy

Anybody out there know her phone number??

Kibo should call her and solicit her vote, she's in his district.
(Mount Auburn Cemetary, Cambridge/Watertown MA)

C Squared

--
I wanna be, I wanna be, Like KIBO!!!
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From: jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.misc,rec.humor,alt.folklore.urban,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: help please, when did Isaac Asimov die?
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:25:13 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

From article <1992Jul21.204919.8652@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, by bur@ultisol.gsfc.nasa.gov (MAC):
> In article <1992Jul21.192624.2214@venice.sedd.trw.com> gilmore@venice.sedd.trw.com (Larry Gilmore) writes:
>>In article <Brq09A.CCI@hatch.socal.com> richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg) writes:
>>>>In article <BrL9wz.F2F@news.udel.edu>, stabosz@chopin.udel.edu (Rae Stabosz) writes:
>>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>>> My daughter would like to prove to someone that Isaac Asimov has died.
>>>
>>>Acording to the editorial in the 9/92 issue of Isaac Asimov's SF Magazine,
>>>he died April 6, 1992 :-(((
>>>
>>>He was 72 years old and had been ill for about a year.
>>>
>>>RIP Isaac.
>>^^^^ ^^^^^
>>
>>NOT Isaac!  He's up there raising H*** with someone!
>>
> 
> Ah, a-hem, that would be *down* there.

But do atheists _go_ anywhere when they die?
-- 
"Land of song, said the warrior bard,           Jim Heath
Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Or Shakespeare either (was: I don't like Dickens...so sue me!
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:43:08 GMT

In article <21JUL199215220156@zeus.tamu.edu> spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius) writes:
>My question to him was why every student hoping 
>to get a degree in English had to take a class on Shakespeare's works, while no
>other author is singled out for such treatment.  His reply (with a straight
>face and everything) was, "Because Shakespeare is without any possible doubt
>the greatest writer the world has ever produced."

For me, the best effort to capture the importance of Shakespeare is a
two-page story by Borges in the collection LABYRINTHS. It's called 
"Everything and Nothing."


--Mike




-- 
Mike Godwin,     |"Of the many definitions of poetry, the   
mnemonic@eff.org | simplest is still the best: 'memorable speech.'" 
(617) 864-0665   | 
EFF, Cambridge   |                     --W.H. Auden 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Gothic, Decadent books...
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 06:42:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

>mecca@acsu.buffalo.edu (Starkitty <Renee>) writes:
>
> I just recently read Bret Easton Ellis' Less Than Zero and found that I
> enjoyed literary dark demons in humans.. anyone have suggestions on what
> books I should read next?

	_Asmodeus at Pooh Corner_ is my favorite:  chilling yet insouciant.

	Locally, of course, there's _How I Became Fido_, though it's hardly
for the weak of heart or stomach.


-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		   "I swear I never heard the first shot"
                Wm. Gibson, "Agrippa:  a book of the dead"
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Nobel winners
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:24:52 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Jul27.204724.13268@Cadence.COM>, vince@cadence.com (Vince Gibboni) writes:
> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# # Churchill wrote two multivolume works: _A History of the English Speaking
# # Peoples_ and _The Second World War_.  It was for the former work, not
# # the latter, tha the Nobel Prize was awarded, wasn't it?  
# 
#     I'm fairly certain that the prize was awarded for (or at least 
#     specifically mentioned) _The Second World War_ series (even though 
#     it was, IMHO, nowhere near as good _A History of the English Speaking 
#     Peoples_ - which is wonderful). There is, by the way, at least one

I have the paperback edition of _The Second World War_, and there's
no mention of the Nobel Prize being for this series -- which is really
quite surprising, when you consider how much hype is involved in those
sort of jackets.

-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"Well, maybe the Holocaust was right *for that culture*." -- a moral relativist
with whom I work.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Asimov and the Decay of SF
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:22:14 GMT

Chuck Smythe writes:

	I suspect that just about all physicists think there is a 
	single, objective truth about physical reality. ("Higher" 
	truth? What does that mean?)  

I suspect your suspicion is correct, and it is a dismal thought. The fact
of the matter is that the most useful theories are often those that are
most obviously most distant from the sort of truth you seem to be talking
about. Example: the continuum. Is the 95% of applied science that has its
roots in the continuum unscientific? What is the difference between the
Great Pyramid at Cheops and the Supercollider nonsense? there is the same
hierarchy of priests; the same colossal (literally) expense; the same 
insistance on buiding equipment guaranteed to find whatever, by the nature
of circular argument, has come to mind. Perhaps the most amusing part is
that the engineering design of these modern marvels is always based on
notions that are quite at odds to those they are intended to illuminate.
At least the mediaeval theologians arguing over the number of angels who
could dance on the point of a needle were wasting nobody's time and money
but their own.

							Fido

							Fido
From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Robertson Davies
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:46:56 GMT
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway


stcmille@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen C. Miller) writes:

> Who cares?

Judging by both quality and sales, I'd say quite a few people do.
Since this is a group to discuss books, I would gather that a
lot of the readers of r.a.b would rather see a discussion of Robertson
Davies than rehash a definition of atheism which can be had in any
dictionary.

If Stephen Miller doesn't like Davies, perhaps he would like to tell us
why.  While I like Davies quite a bit, I am always willing to listen to
other opinions.

Mark
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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,sci.skeptic,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Agnostics and Athiests
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:43:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Are you aware that there's a new group on the net called
alt.atheist or alt.atheism?  Seems to me this might be
a good place for this thread to move to from rec.arts.
books.  

It's always interesting to see what turns up here, though.


-- 
===============================================================================
Lauren Crawford  //  crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind.  Or not to have a mind.  How true  
that is." -- J. Danforth Quayle at United Negro College Fund luncheon
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.books.reviews
From: jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (J Lee Jaap)
Subject: RAH & Re: Isaac Asimov
Organization: AS&M Inc
	<1992Jul20.114145.15630@digi.lonestar.org>
	<1992Jul20.093502@IASTATE.EDU> <liam.054f@durie.amigans.gen.nz>
	<1992Jul22.095635@IASTATE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:10:39 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.095635@IASTATE.EDU> mcoffin@IASTATE.EDU (Marie Coffin) writes:

   Yes, he had ambitious ideas.  I'm sorry to have to say it, but he no longer
   had what it takes to carry out his ideas effectively.  

Or didn't bother to take the time to let the stories develop
themselves.  It seems that when writers `make it', they are
either under pressure to keep cranking 'em out or they get
satisfied with incomplete products.

RAH isn't the only victim.  (*sigh*)

--
J Lee Jaap <jaapjl@tab00.larc.nasa.gov> +1 804/864-2148
employed by, not speaking for, AS&M Inc, at NASA LaRC, Hampton VA 23665-5225
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