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From: steffen8546@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: What do you call this throw?
Date: 28 Jan 93 10:35:42 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1993Jan27.151215.29304@ncsu.edu>, Eric Lease Morgan <eric_morgn@ncsu.edu> writes:
> I consider myself a pretty good thrower. I used to be better, but
> I think I'm still pretty good. (I also have a fat head.)
> 
> In any event, what do you call a throw where you push the frisbee
> down and release the frisbee with the leading edge up? I also put
> *a lot* of spin on this one.
> 
> The result of this technique is first the frisbee almost hits the
> ground, and then "magically" climbs until it runs out of steam. I
> call this throw my "helicopter throw". It's great for people how want
> to spin the disc on their fingers.
> 
> Eric Morgan
 
This is just called an air bounce.

Jason
#4113

From: mauricec@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Maurice Cinquini)
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From: haman@mpr.ca (Anja Haman)
Subject: tournament dates wanted
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:12:25 GMT


I posted this awhile ago, but received no replies, so here
it goes again:

  I need to know the dates of all tournaments in the NW USA and
  western Canada in March and April (and any after that if dates are known).
  For example, where and when would Mud Bowl be? Eugene? Even approx.
  dates would help me. Is Slugfest going to be in Corvallis? In April?

  Where might I get this info other than on the net?

  Please post or email to haman@mprgate.mpr.ca
  Thanks...

anja
From: dks@gallant.apple.com (dk smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Airbounce. Really, now? (Re: What do you call this throw?
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:41:12 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <1993Jan27.184950.22305@schaefer.math.wisc.edu> mueller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Carl Douglas Mueller) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.151215.29304@ncsu.edu> Eric Lease Morgan <eric_morgn@ncsu.edu> writes:
>>
>>In any event, what do you call a throw where you push the frisbee
>>down and release the frisbee with the leading edge up? I also put
>>*a lot* of spin on this one.
>>
>>The result of this technique is first the frisbee almost hits the
>>ground, and then "magically" climbs until it runs out of steam. I
>>call this throw my "helicopter throw". It's great for people how want
>>to spin the disc on their fingers.
>>
>>Eric Morgan
>
>I know this one!  I know this one!
>It's an AIR BOUNCE!
>
>Carl Mueller (mueller@math.wisc.edu)

Terry,

Tell us about this again... I think you had an opinion on this 
about 6 months ago.


-dk

dks@apple.com | Above opinions are mine and are not endorsed by Apple Computer
AppleLink: ULTIMATE | 408 974-1275 | If you are what you eat, are you dead meat?
From: haman@mpr.ca (Anja Haman)
Subject: Hawaii - looking for women
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 18:09:46 GMT


It looks like we will have 6 or 7 women from Vancouver, BC playing in Hawaii
at the Kaimana Klassik. We'd like to form a team - are there 6 other
women in a group who may want to join us?

Please email haman@mprgate.mpr.ca.

Thanks,

anja
From: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Correction of my phone number
Date: 23 Jan 1993 08:45:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce448@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chris Lehmann)
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Howdy!

Just in case anyone tries to get in touch with the U. Penn Void, my number
is 215-222-8929, not 7929 as posted in the captains list. Just so you know.

By the way, any word on Collegiate Easterns yet? Count us in!

						Chris
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From: lewisf@mencs.demon.co.uk (Lewis Foti)
Subject: Re: where are the rules of ultimate? 
Distribution: world
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:01:52 +0000

In article <1993Jan18.035734.23953@news.ysu.edu> ae815@yfn.ysu.edu writes:

>
>what's that anon FTP site ??
>has a "new edition" been made ??  (i haven't been payin' attention)

try ftp.cs.wisc.edu in /pub.ultimate.

This has a copy of the 9th edition and suggested ammendments.

Lewis

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From: kenr@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Earlham Ice Bowl Tournament
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:58:12 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

The Earlham Ice Bowl Tournament
January 30th, 1993  (This Saturday!)
Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

Short notice isn't that great, but playing Ultimate is!  We decided at the
last minute to have this tournament because it's a good chance to get in
shape for the XXII Arctic Vogue Tournament, the weather's been really nice
lately, and there should be plenty of frisbee and fun!

So far the only definite teams are us and Univ. of Cinci, but I just sent off
flyers to about ten other teams and some of them have said that they'll
probably come.  

Captain's Meeting at 10am and play will start soon after.

Questions/Confirmation:  Ken Rosenberg (317) 973-2975
                         Hans Gienapp (317) 973-2757
                                   or (317) 935-0757
From: jp@moscom.com (Jim Palmeri)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: More Disc Golf Vocab (Addendum II)
Date: 27 Jan 93 13:02:16 GMT
Organization: Moscom Corporation, Pittsford NY

In article <1993Jan26.140732.10184@iscsvax.uni.edu> steffen8546@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>Sorry.  I ment to say that an anhyzer or a turnover goes from left to right.

...........
This hyzer, anhyzer stuff can be reduced to some very basic concepts that
avoids much of the well intentioned, but misleading stuff that has been
said, such as the above.

First, Geogf Hungerford may think he is old, but from my perspective,
he still is pretty much of a spring chicken.  But his post was well
done and accurate.  As far as the derivation of the word hyzer, it is
the best explanation that I've heard so far.   The term "hyzer" first
came to be known by the disc community in 1975 when it appeared in
Stancil Johnson's book, "FRISBEE".

Basically: At the point of release, the left/right angle the disc makes
form being horizontal to the ground is called the hyzer angle.  (The
front/back angle from horizontal to the ground is called the mung angle).

If the disc's rotation is clockwise, then the angle made by having the 
left side of the disc down and the right side up is called "hyzer" or
"curve" angle.  If the left side is up and the right side down, the angle
is called "anhyzer" or "roll" angle.

If the disc's rotation is counter-clockwise, then everything is exactly
the opposite.

In other words, if the downward edge of the disc is rotating AWAY from
the thrower, it is hyzer angle.  If the downward edge is rotating TOWARD
the thrower, it is anhyzer angle.

As far as which way a disc will curve,  a stable disc released with
the left side down will always fly right to left, no matter if it is
hyzer or anhyzer.  A stable disc released with the left side up will curve
left to right, no matter if its hyzer or anhyzer.   

That's about it.   Now, about stable vs unstable or over-stable discs........

-- 
Jim P.   (jp@moscom.com)
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From: lewisf@mencs.demon.co.uk (Lewis Foti)
Subject: Re: women in league 
Distribution: world
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:51:36 +0000

n-women players

Reading about n-women rules makes me really sad. Here in the U.K. we have
just had the first two tournaments of the year. The total number of teams
that competed must have been about 25. Of these I would guess that at least
half had women members, without the need for any special rules.

On the indoor team that I play for we have two women out of seven players.
One is a handler, the other a mid/receiver, because these are the positions
that they play best. We don't have to make any allowances for them, they are
good players. There is also an all women team that competes on *equal* terms
with the other teams here. They're good, and finished above us at the last
tournament.

The point of all this is that I think that any rule that treats women as
2nd class players is a *bad* thing. It can only reinforce this preconception
and discourage the majority of women from playing.

Lewis

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From: FA.TJM@forsythe.stanford.edu (Thom McKean)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: What do you call this throw?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 09:22:53 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
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Eric Lease Morgan <eric_morgn@ncsu.edu> sez:
>I consider myself a pretty good thrower. I used to be better, but
>I think I'm still pretty good. (I also have a fat head.)
>
>In any event, what do you call a throw where you push the frisbee
>down and release the frisbee with the leading edge up? I also put
>*a lot* of spin on this one.
>
>The result of this technique is first the frisbee almost hits the
>ground, and then "magically" climbs until it runs out of steam. I
>call this throw my "helicopter throw". It's great for people how want
>to spin the disc on their fingers.
>
>Eric Morgan

We call it an "air bounce" out here on the coast - great throw for
eliciting, "whoa, dude, bitchin' throw!" from non-ultimate-
indoctrinated masses at the beach.

Thom
freelance ultimate player
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
From: fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton)
Subject: Indiana U - preseason
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:31:59 GMT

I thought it might be neat to do some college team summaries over
the course of the collegiate season.  If you agree, post one for
your team!  If you disagree, email and tell me what an idiot I am,
and I won't do it anymore.

That said;

Indiana is traditionally a short, athletic team long on disc skills and
short on offensive theory.  This year, there are two solid six-footers
as longs, and several handlers that can get the disc to them.  As usual,
the question will be whether the handlers can time their throws to keep
their throwing % above eighty, which will be a key to IU's success this
year.  Last year IU had problems with a set offense; it tended to be
one swing cut to a handler and reset.  To be successful, the offense must
flow smoothly.

STRENGTHS:

Disc skills, a smothering man-to-man defense, throwing around the mark,
and going up for floaters.

WEAKNESSES:

Set offense, zone offense, poor throw judgment, and a tendency to throw
floaters :-)

PREDICTION:

Should win sectionals.  If the team pulls together, third at regionals.

SCHEDULE:

Jan. 30   : Earlham Spontaneous, Richmond, IN
Feb. 6,7  : Arctic Vogue Ultimate, Cincinnati, OH
Mar 27,28 : Dirty Sock Invitational, Terre Haute, IN
Apr 10,11 : Big Ten Championships, Madison, WI
Apr 17,18 : Collegiate Sectionals, Lafayette, IN (?)
May  1,2  : Collegiate Regionals, Champaign, IL

And possibly others...

-- 
ben
fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Bloomington, IN)
"Verbing weirds language" - Calvin
From: Eric Simon <70540.1522@CompuServe.COM>
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:04:53 GMT
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Subject: UPA "on-line"

For your general information:

The following UPA Officials have e-mail addresses:

Managing Dir         Cindy Fisher        70744.1562@compuserve.com
Dir of Comptn        Mark Licata         70743.3232@compuserve.com
Women Ntnl Dir       Marie Hartley       75720.2726@compuserve.com
College Ntnl D       Frank Revi          71551.2461@compuserve.com
WFDF                 Nob                 71034.2562@compuserve.com
At Large Bd Member   Eric Simon          70540.1522@compuserve.com

UPA NEWSLETTER       70744.1562@compuserve.com
COLLEGE TOP 25       70540.1522@compuserve.com


MA RC     Eric Wenck          76635.1513@compuserve.com
MA CRC    Paul Socolow        socolow@math.rutgers.edu
NE CRC    Mike Lawler         mjlawler@Athena.MIT.EDU
S RC      Rex O'Quinn         rex@b23a.ingr.com
S CRC     Louis Montes        lmontes@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
W WSC     Diane Pagel         dep1700@bcstec.ca.boeing.com

(RC = Regional Coord; CRC = College RC; SC = Sectl Coord)



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From: rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith)
Subject: Re: N-sex
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:56:37 GMT

In <1993Jan27.203911.15634@freenet.carleton.ca> aa711@Freenet.carleton.ca (Ken Darcovich) writes:
>In a previous article, Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon) says:
>>LF>The point of all this is that I think that any rule that treats women as
>>LF>2nd class players is a *bad* thing. It can only reinforce this preconception
>>LF>and discourage the majority of women from playing.
>>
>>Women are not second class citizens - but they *are* different from men.
>>

>the approach in Ottawa city league does not use "women"
>in its wording.

>for coed play, we say "N-sex" where at least N of each
>sex must be on the field at one time.

Ottawa also has the city league team  5 Token Women  that plays 5 women and 
2 men all the time.
Organization: Senior, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:06:00 -0500 
From: Albert Louis Robertson <ar1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: MA Pre-lim Team List 2/3

The phone number for CMU Ultimate is (412)268-4118.

						'Bert
						Mr. Yuk
From: ibromberg@hamp.hampshire.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: disc golf vocab
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:12:02 EDT
Organization: Hampshire College
NNTP-Posting-Host: hamp.hampshire.edu

To an old pro:

Could one (and one will suffice) of the more experienced disc golfers explain
to this novice what "hyzer" is. It's getting to the point that I can't
understand my own subculture any more.

					A non-discgolfer
From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: women in league
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:54:00 -0500

LF>The point of all this is that I think that any rule that treats women as
LF>2nd class players is a *bad* thing. It can only reinforce this preconception
LF>and discourage the majority of women from playing.

Women are not second class citizens - but they *are* different from men.

Before we get so high and mighty about condemning n-women rules, has
anyone thought about the fact that women can play in the Open Division,
but men can not play in the Women's Division?  I mean, isn't that just a
"7-women on the field at all times" rule?  I mean, if there were no
difference, then we should just have one division, right?

But we don't.

If we think it appropriate for the Women to have their own division,
than the pretty much the same logic would apply to an n-women rule in
co-ed play.

Furthermore, an additional reason to have an n-women rule is the same
reason why there are affirmative action rules in other situations.  A
recognition that there is discrimination, and a plan to try and remedy
it.

Yes, I, too, have heard co-ed play described as 5-person Ultimate with
2-women doing interpretive ballet, but I can tell you this: any team in
the Washington Area Frisbee Club's summer league which treats its women
that way gets their butts kicked in at least three ways:  (1) captains
that permit it catch grief from WAFC officials and if they continue to
permit it get blacklisted from being future captains; (2) their women
stop showing up and the team has to scamble or else forfiet; and (3) the
team loses to other teams because the other teams try to involve all
their players to get them experience for the playoffs (again, it helps
that *all* teams make the playoffs).  It is this reason why there are
three DC women's club teams, two of which are quite good (one of which,
Satori, has made the semis of Nationals three years straight - something
no DC men's team could come close to).

And another thing - it was not that fact that we have good women's teams
that helped our egalitarian attitude - it was the other way around.  Our
summer league started in 1983 and adopted the 2-women rule then, before
the women in DC were good.  It is no coincidence that *after* our first
summer league the DC women took a quantum leap in skill.  (The same
thing happened, btw, in Philly.  There summer league started in 1985,
and the Zephyrs first made it to Nationals in the fall of '85.)

The way to "breed Ultimate" is to encourage co-ed summer league play.
Both sexes like having the other around, and everyone has more fun.

 * SLMR 2.1a * Evolution is God's way of issuing upgrades

From: Eric Simon <70540.1522@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: APRIL FOOLS 1993

Would anyone here like to compete in the April Fools Festival?
As you may, or may not know, it is a *FUN* tourney, where most of
the teams are reunion or other "theme" teams.  You have to apply to
get in, and any teams which are deemed to "competitive" or "lacking
in good spirit" don't have a chance to get it.

Anyways, Mark Licata and I were thinking of ways to get a bid in to
Fools, along some theme which would help get us in to the tourney. 
We think we have it:

               the   REC.SPORT.DISC   team   !!!!

Can't you see it.  Maybe we'll get shirts with pocket protectors,
or fake horn rimmed glasses . . . .

So - I am putting together the 1993 all "rec.sport.disc" team for
Fools.  Anyone here who can respond *SOON* with a fairly definite
commitment (for three days of play) is eligible to play.  (Note,
since the Fools application and fees total $125, I'm looking for a
decent commitment).

Fools will be in Fredericksberg, VA, about an hour south of DC. 
All teams play three days.  (Even if you lose every game on Friday
and Saturday, you still make the quarterfinals of Division III on
Sunday).  It is April 2-4.

The first 18 people that can e-mail me a decent commitment are on
the roster.  Additionally, since I will be using your responses as
part of the application to WAFC, any wit or creativity in your
response to me will be appreciated.

Foolishly yours,

Eric Simon
70540.1522@compuserve.com
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Subject: international response needed
From: mscs240@vax1.mankato.msus.edu
Date: 24 Jan 93 17:08:11 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University

I need someone to send me some electronic mail for this computer class I am   
enrolled in.  The only requirement is that the mail must be from a country from 
outside the United States.  So someone please send me some mail.  Thanks in
advance.  My user id is mscs240


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
From: y.wang@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU (Yasmine Wang (postgrad))
Subject: Re: international response needed
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:51:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.170811.2807@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> mscs240@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:

>I need someone to send me some electronic mail for this computer class I am   
>enrolled in.  The only requirement is that the mail must be from a country from 
>outside the United States.  So someone please send me some mail.  Thanks in
>advance.  My user id is mscs240


Here it is.
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From: marcus@iiasa.ac.at (Marcus SCHNELL)
Subject: Owners required for ARIFL 1993 !!!!!
Organization: International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:03:23 GMT


The ARFL needs team owners for the 1993 season !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is ARIFL?

ARIFL stands for Australian Rules International Football League.
It is a ficticious Aussie Rules league being run by

	COMMISSIONER      : Damian Martin  (T9214508@phillip.edu.au)
	VICE-COMMISSIONER : Marcus Schnell (marcus@iiasa.ac.at)

It uses real Aussie Rules players and match statistics.

For more information, please reply to one of the above addresses SOON!
If we don't get enough interested people, THERE WILL BE NO ARIFL THIS YEAR.

Marcus Schnell

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From: marcus@iiasa.ac.at (Marcus SCHNELL)
Subject: Owners required for ARIFL 1993 !!!!!
Organization: International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:03:04 GMT


The ARFL needs team owners for the 1993 season !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is ARIFL?

ARIFL stands for Australian Rules International Football League.
It is a ficticious Aussie Rules league being run by

	COMMISSIONER      : Damian Martin  (T9214508@phillip.edu.au)
	VICE-COMMISSIONER : Marcus Schnell (marcus@iiasa.ac.at)

It uses real Aussie Rules players and match statistics.

For more information, please reply to one of the above addresses SOON!
If we don't get enough interested people, THERE WILL BE NO ARIFL THIS YEAR.

Marcus Schnell

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From: jodi@arbo.microbiol.uwa.oz.au (Jodi Lindsay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.australian
Subject: Dear John.....
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:58:50 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: cns.microbiol.uwa.edu.au

When are the state of origin matches going to be played this season??
I notice there is a break in the fixtures you posted on the weekend of
the 5th June, but I was under the impression that the SOG games were going
to all be on weekends which explained why the season has been shortened to
22 weeks.  Can you please explain......
Thanks