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From: ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Tamil Literary Society
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:06:44 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


	I applaud the efforts of both Sundara Pandian and Sundaramoorthy
	to exploit the existence of this newsgroup to further literary
	efforts and discussions. As far as I am concerned, Pandian's
	proposal is a little too ambitious. I would like to do some (more)
	translations but right now life is very busy. I recently read
	an excellent story by R. ChudAmaNi that I hope to get around to
	translating into English some time soon. Just last week I received
	a bunch of books from Madras - A collection of thiJA's short
	stories, stories by nAnjil nAdan, rAjanArayaNan and vaNNanilavan,
	pudhumaippitthan's essays - and they are on my must-read list.
	Authors such as nAnjil nAdan don't lend themselves to translations
	as their primary strength is their narrative style. But I digress..

	Re: kAnAsu's criticism of the thuklak essay, this may be heresy
	but I will say it anyway: kAnAsu is wildly overrated as a critic.
	His popularity in certain circles (I don't mean to disparage anyone
	here) fits the adage "AlayillA Oorukku iluppaipoo sarkarai" to a
	tee. Reading his essay reminded me of my own tendency at times
	to vacuously criticise(;-). I mean he may have valid reasons to
	criticise but to trivialise the main point of the essay - that
	the mainstream writers engage in titillation - by dismissing the
	important niche that these writers occupy in popular literature
	is to run the risk of further isolating the public from the few
	good writers that we have. On a related topic, Komal's interview 
	of Balakumaran smacked of a certain elitism on occasion. There 
	was no effort to understand what drove such a talented writer 
	into turning out "middle-class" pulp fiction. It was painful to
	read Komal act as the jury and judge and pronounce Balakumaran
	guilty of prostituting himself.  The "interview" was unnecessarily
	confrontational and what use such an exercise has other than a
	certain voyeuristic interest to it, I don't know.  In contrast, the
	paDigaL interview of sujathA that Raghavan promised to post is
	incisive and deep. 
	
	Please understand that I am not criticising the poster (Pandian) for
	all this. As a matter of fact my many thanks to him for translating
	and transcribing.

								- Nagarajan
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From: viswanath@draco.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Telungaana Armed Struggle
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:18:45 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.tamil
Organization: Rutgers University RUCS-Newark

In article <BvJ14n.FJF@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) writes:
> 
> Telungaanaa Armed Struggle.

> Here is a Tamil translation of a Telugu poem written during the
> Telungaana Armed struggle:

I really appreciated this posting by Meenan.
First of all the poem was really good, 
simple but stark and full of feeling.  But
the important thing for me was that Meenan
took the trouble to translate certain
difficult words, which meant that I 
could appreciate the poem in its original.
It would be great if others could do this, too,
when they post Tamil text.  I know many of you
post complete translations.  Obviously this is
also good, but Meenan's format is particularly
pleasing to me because I can simultaneously
learn new words from it, which is somewhat
more difficult from entire translations.  Of
course, I realize that what is good for me
may not be the best for everybody else!
Anyway, thanks again Meenan.
P.V. Viswanath
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu)
Subject: News from Reuters
Originator: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:29:07 GMT


   RTw  10/04 0131  TAMIL REBELS CAPTURE HAUL OF ARMY WEAPONS

       COLOMBO, Oct 4, Reuter - Tamil separatists captured a large
   haul of arms and ammunition in Thursday's attack on a northern
   army camp, a military spokesman revealed on Sunday.
       "We don't have all details but it was a big loss," the
   spokesman said.
       Thirteen soldiers were killed and 15 wounded in the fighting
   at Vettilaikerni, east of Elephant Pass, in rebel-held Jaffna
   peninsula.
       The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam said in a statement they
   had lost 14 men in the battle but captured an arms dump which
   included three machine guns, 200 rifles, several mortars and more
   than 150,000 rounds of ammunition.
       The attack was the worst in the area since the army last year
   took control of a seven-km (five-mile) road from Vettilaikerni
   beach to Elephant Pass.
       The independent Sunday Times said the captured arms and
   ammunition were worth about 50 million rupees (over $1 million).
       The guerrillas have been fighting since 1983 for an
   independent homeland in the north and east of the country.
    REUTER 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sivasamy@ifi.uio.no
Subject: TESTING 
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 10:47:47 GMT
Originator: sivasamy@skinneggi.ifi.uio.no



Please ignore this posting.  It is a testing!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu)
Subject: Re: EELAM NEWS FROM DENMARK
Originator: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:57:53 GMT


In article <1992Sep25.180656.52382@gmuvax.gmu.edu> 2067bh@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
>
>AFP report from STRUER, Denmark
>
>Danish police charged seven Sri Lankans with blackmailing thousands of follow
>refugees in Denmark and extorting hundreds of kroners from them. The seven
>members of the rebel Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) threatened the
>families of most of Denmark's 5000 refugees with kidnapping if they did not
>financially support the LTTE, investigating Police chief Frede Rosenberg
>said. Mr. Rosenberg said Tamils had actually been abducted in SriLanka because
>relatives living in Denmark would not pay "a ransom of 30 000 kroners (5000
>dollars).
>The blackmail was uncovered after Srilankan Tamil refugees complained to the
>police. Eighteen people were arrested after a six month investigation. ...
>
>... TO BE CONTINUED.



Some of what Prof. Jeyantha Herath has written above was indeed reported
by the international media about an year back.  But unfortuantely the REAL
truth is different.  Here is what really happened:

During the IPKF operation, the various Tamil organizations in different 
countries had a campaign to collect money from Tamil people all over the
world to buy the much needed arms and ammunitions to fight the IPKF.
The "volunteers" of these organizations went around collecting money and
Tamil people gave generously.  People gave their entire tax returns and
more.

It may be due to the fact that LTTE was badly losing the war with the IPKF
at some point in time and seemed likely that LTTE would completely
be liquidated by the IPKF, some of the "volunteers" thought it was pointless
to send the collected money to LTTE and instead decided to keep the money
for themselves.  In Canada,  for example, some of these "volunteers" used
the money to buy houses and automobiles.  The same happened in Denmark and
other European countries.

The members of Tamil Organizations, in whose names the money was collected,
investigated these large scale money swindling and approached the "volunteers" 
concerned and asked them to repay the money to the donors or give it to
the respective organizations.

These "volunteers", in order to stop the repeated requests to pay back,
reported to the police that they are being intimidated by some 
extortionist organizations.  The police arrested about 18 people in Denmark.

In Canada, however, the World Tamil Movement (WTM), in which name these
swindlers collected money, saved a lot of trouble by not requesting these
swindlers to pay back.  Instead they simply forgot about it. Currently,
the WTM requests potential donors to pay directly to their office. 

Meenan Vishnu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,alt.culture.kerala
From: rnk@cbnews.cb.att.com (ram.n.kumar)
Subject: Re: Situation in Madras
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:05:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.034359.21920@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU> kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>In India, one need not go in person to vote. His vote will 
>be automatically casted by someone else.
>

You can add the following too, to the list.

	India sometimes respects and counts the votes of its citizens,
	long after their death!

	God, a supporter of democracy, seems to allow dead
	Indian citizens to descend from heaven/hell to vote on
	election day. 

>That is how the democracy works in India.
>

I agree. Unfortunately that is also how the democracy seems to work
in several other third world nations.

>
>Anpudan,
>
>V R Kumar
>


Bye.
Ram Kumar.
From: shri@unreal.cs.umass.edu (H.Shrikumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Recipes for bisi bELe huLi annaa
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:19:41 GMT
Reply-To: shri@unreal.cs.umass.edu (H.Shrikumar)
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <BvD08C.HB6@ireq.hydro.qc.ca> 
   srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (Srinivasan K.) writes:

>Feel free to post English translation of the two 'different' recipes below.
>
>puLiyai choncham veneeril nanna oora	huLiyennu solpa neerinalli channaga
>vechchu sakkai eduththungO.		kivusi gojju maadu koLLa bEku.
>

  Could we have recipes in Plain readable English please ?

  Its too painful, and silly ! :-) And non tamil speakers  might like
to read SCT for the recipes.

   Also, I just might actually read the subject lines of SCT looking
for recipes then :-) This time I bothered to look only 'cos someone
told me there a recipe there.

-- shrikumar ( shri@legato.cs.umass.edu, shri@iucaa.ernet.in )
From: rgopu@cs.tamu.edu (Rangarathnam Gopu)
Subject: Info request - some Tamil movie songs
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 19:40:50 GMT

Hi folks,

A friend of mine is going to Madras shortly and I am hoping to get back
a collection of cassettes thru him. But I have forgotten some of the
movie names and would very much appreciate it if someone could send me
further info. 

I have listed a bunch of first lines here, with names of singer(s) in
parantheses. Please reply by email (or use R for netmail reply). Dont want
to waste more bandwidth than necessary. Thanks in advance. 

Gopu

My email address is:	 rgopu@cs.tamu.edu


Old song - I know nothing about it  except first line
-----------------------------------------------------
siththaadai kattikittu singaaram paNNikkittu 

MGR Songs  
----------
buththan yEsu gaandhi piranthathu boomiyil etharkaaka  (TMS)
EmaaRRaathE EmaaRRaathE  (TMS)
kaNNai nambaathE,  unnai EmaaRRum (TMS)
ninaikka therintha manamE unakku maRakka theRiyaathaa (Suseela)
aayiram nilavE vaa (SPB, Suseela)

Other Old songs
---------------
Oraayiram paarvaiyilE, un paarvaiyai naan arivEn (TMS)
sOthanai mEl sOthanai pOthumada saami (TMS)
pOnaal pOkattum pOda  (TMS)
kallellaam maaNikka kallaagumaa (TMS)
kaathalin pon veethiyil kaathaalan panpaadinaan (TMS,Janaki)
irvukkum pakalukkum ini yenna vElai (TMS, Suseela)
unnai kaaNaatha kaNNum kaNNalla (Suseela)

paramasivan kazhuththil irunthu paambu kEttathu (SPB)
vaan nilaa nilaa alla un vaalibam nila (SPB)
kamban Emaanthaan, kanniyarai oru malarenRaanE (SPB)

intha manRatthil Odi varum (PBS, Suseela) [police kaaran magaL?]
poochaikku vantha nilavE vaa (PBS, Janaki) [paatha kaaNikkai?]
kaathal nilavE, kaNmaNi raathaa (PBS)

Newer songs
-----------
yaar thoorigai thantha Oviyam (SPB)
iLamaienum poongkaatru, paadiyathu Or paattu (SPB) 
nEththu oruttharai orutthar paarthOm (Ilayaraaja,?) [paattukku oru thalaivan?]
azhagaaga siriththathu antha nilavu (Jeyachandran, Janaki)
athikaalai, sugavELai, un Olai vanthathu (Jeyachandran, Janaki)

A little more info
-------------------
paaNdiya naatu meenkodiyil.... (TMS) 
 ....goes on ... ivai moonRum onRaal kaNdaal unnai thamizhagam enbEnE

kadavuL manithanaaka pirakkavENdum  (TMS) 
	(in the same movie as "gangai kaRai thOttam...")

nalla nalla piLLaigaLai nambi  (TMS)
	(is this the one that contains the foll. lines in the pallavi:
	jananaayaka naattil ellOrum mannar
	thennaattu gaandhi aNNaaLil sonnaar)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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rgopu@cs.tamu.edu			ParukkuLE nalla naadu
Texas A&M University			EngaL Baaratha naadu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.sri-lanka
From: g9133666@cs.uow.edu.au (Moothedath Padmaraj)
Subject: Re: EELAM NEWS FROM DENMARK
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:03:27 GMT

Hi Mennan,

I find it a litte difficult to believe that this is the REAL TRUTH as
I have heard from different sources there is extortion by the militant
organisations.Since I am not sure of the whole story I am curious about 
the source of your information. My sources are just friends and they may
not know the whole story.


Cheers
Padmaraj.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sri@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (a.natarajan)
Subject: SANSKRIT-TAMIL; VAALMEEKI-KAMBAR; sollazhagu
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:13:22 GMT
Keywords: pro-thamizh,  pro-samskritham


        HAPPY NAVARAATHRI TO ALL OF YOU!!

   "Vaalmeeki and Kambar --Sreemadh RaamaayaNam".

Here are two verses, one of Vaalmeeki (in samskritham)
and the other of Kambar (in thamizh) from Yuddha KaaNdam.

        "vibheeshaNa saraNaagathi padalam."

"Vaalinascha vadham sruthvaa sugreevancha abhishEchitham|
 raajyam praarthayamaanascha buddhi poorvam ihaagathaha ||"

"Vaali viN pera arasu iLayavan pera,
 kOliya varisilai valiyum kutramum nirchErndhu theLLidhin,
 mElarasu aidhuvaan virumbhi mEyinaan."


Vaalinascha vadham sruthva = vaali viN pera,
sugreevanchaabhishEchitham = arasu iLayavan pera,
KOliya ..... mEl arasu aidhuvaan = raajyam praarthayamaanaha cha
buddhi poorvam iha aagathaha = virumbhi mEyinaan.

I found a few of Kambar's verses almost like a
translation of Vaalmeeki's verses.

Another one:
"pEdayai ppidiththadaintha pEthai......."
"SrooyathE hi kapOthEna......."

Another:

"Analanum anilanum aran sampaathiyum........."
"Analaschaanilaschaiva harassampaathirEva cha......"

Perhaps there are many, many more.
All the examples I have given are from "vibheeshaNa saraNaagathi ppadalam".

Regards,
Natarajan at Bell Labs.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Re: Padmanabapuram museum?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:38:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.134537.158@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> din@dasher.uucp (Dinesh Nettar) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.214133.9683@menudo.uh.edu> Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu> writes:
>>
>> When I was browsing thro' some book on India, there was a referral about
>>the museum at Padmanabapuram. Where is this place located in Tamilnadu?
>>Is the museum known for something? If so, what? Was it patronized by some
>>king earlier?  Just curious. Anybody from that region?
>>
>Padmanabhapuram is a small town in Tamilnadu
>midway between Thiruvananthapuram
>(Trivandrum) and Kanyakumari.  I have visited the place 
>several years ago and there
>is a palace maintained by the Kerala govt.

It is a village near Nagercoil if my memory serves me right.
I will check on this when I visit next month (hopefully.)

Sthan.
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From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Subject: Re: urimai....
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:48:29 GMT

In article <thai.717616758@aries> thai@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Sankaran  
Thayumanavan) writes:
> 
> enakku kaniporri kaditham matrum tholaipesi seitha sct anbargalae,
> 
> kadippathu enathu piruppurimai, 
> athai naan adainthae theeruvaen...
athai nee eppozhuthO adainthuvittai. unakkE theriyavillai.
Hope there is no "MISUNDERSTANDING" here. ;-)
> 
> anban,
thalai kadipattu thongum unathu nanban, :-)
> thayumanavan 
Venkat

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From: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Subject: M.Vishnu's quote from a book
Originator: srini@acr
Reply-To: srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca (K.Srinivasan)
Organization: IREQ, Hydro-Quebec, QC, Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:37:20 GMT

mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu) quotes from:
"Gita As it Was: Rediscovering the Original Bhagavadgita" by Phulgenda Sinha.
how the Sindhi Brahmins sided the Arab Moslems for their personal
benefit and contributing towards the downfall of Hinduism.

I find it surprising that the news that today's Tamil Brahmins (of the Temple)
are fighting a loosing lonely battle to block the construction of a musoleum
for RG on the land belonging to the Sriperumbudur Temple, is not of as
much importance, as how Brahmins helped the Arabs 1300 years ago in Sindh.

Irrespective of the authenticity of statements in history,
IMHO, Tamil Brahmins feel no affinity what so ever to Sindhi or Kashmiri
Brahmins, who are non-vegetarian. Any Tamilian who has lived in the north
will know that regional affinity is much stronger.

1. Religion: Tamil Brahmins share more with other Tamilians regarding
   virathams, pandigais, than with north indian brahmins.
2. Customs: Tamil Brahmins consider 'thaali' as the marriage symbol,
   just like the other Tamil castes, while most north indian Brahmins
   do not even recognize thaali.
   Cousin marriages, is another unique custom Tamil Brahmins share with
   other Tamil castes, and not with north indian Brahmins.
3. Dress, food etc.: Tamils Brahmins share more with other Tamil castes
   than with north indian Brahmins.
4. Language: Certainly more common with other Tamil castes, than with
   north indian Brahmins. 'aaththu' does not make them closer to north indian!

I think finding references to show 'Brahmins' the world over were bad people
does not serve any useful purpose. There are an equal number of references
to show they were the 'only good people'.

Also, IMHO, since the caste differences have already been over-exagerated,
by some of our 'leaders', any attempt to highlight our 'common'ness
would be highly welcome.

K. Srinivasan at Hydro Quebec.   srini@ireq-num.hydro.qc.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: muttiah@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.sri-lanka,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Murder of Lord Buddha.......
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:58:42 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep30.114645.52409@gmuvax.gmu.edu> 2067bh@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:
>REMEMBER 
>IN 1971 THE SRI LANKAN
>GOVERNMENT KILLED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SINHALA YOUTHS IN SIX MONTHS
>
>REMEMBER 
>IN 1989 THE SRI LANKAN GOVERNMENT KILLED SIXTY THOUSAND SINHALA YOUTHS
>
>COMPARE THIS WITH LESS THAN ONE THOUSAND TAMIL YOUTHS 
>KILLED BY THE ARMY DURING LAST TWENTY YEARS

No need to read any further.

So what are you suggesting ???  That you want to see more dead Tamils or what ?
Are you trying to vindicate the government from the killing of all the Sinhalese
youth ???

How did you make it past my kill file ???? MF.
From: sxksma@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.X. Kumar)
Subject: Re: What has happened to SCT?
Originator: sxksma@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:49:44 GMT

In article <kat.717272402@sybok> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
>In <43084@ogicse.ogi.edu> partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy) writes:
>
>
>>May be you guys are trying to woo the majority Tamilians to your cause
>>in Srilanka by dividing them. The Kazhagams did this at a later stage
>                                   ^^^^^^^^^
>
>    You have repeatedly accused kazhagams for everything. I don't
>know why you have that hatred. When you point at some body else
>it is fine, but look at yourself. You have a prejudice.     
>That can be called anti-kazhagam.  
> For you kazhagam's are bad. For me and many of my fellow tamizhs
>periyaar and kazhagam have done a lot to bring us out of
>the caste dominated system. That struggle is still not over
>for many under-priviledged.
>
>>Partha sarathy
>
>  What has happened to SCT? Why some people are anti-kazhagam?
>
> anban   
>       Kathiravan  

As usual, you seem to have misread the posting of Mr. Parthasarathy.
While I will be the first one to agree that EVR and Anna deserve
due credit for highlighting many problems of the societies, it is
an undeniable fact that they also fueled the hatred by practicing
the politics of division.  If their intention was to reform the
system, they should have gone against the perpetrators of the
"atrocities".  By singling out a community, they made a scape goat
of them to meet their political ends.  In that respect, they are
just another group of politicians.  The parent and all the mutant
Kazhagams, to this day, has the same goal.  Social upliftment,
justice are mere rhetoric.  Brahmin bashing is a convenient umbrella
under which all of them could unite and still continue the same
activities for which they would decimate the brahmins. 

The same can be said about the LTTE.  Each Kazhagam used the
Sri Lankan Tamil problem to muzzle the other.  Not a week passed
without at least two strikes - one by each Kazhagam.

Regarding your last question, I do not think that SCT is "anti
kazhagam".  Like any group of individuals, people have differing
opinion.  They would have liked to keep these to themselves and
discuss things that this group was desgined for, provided 
some nettors had not used it to vent their anger and hatred against
others.

Sincerely,
Kumar
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Tamil Literary Society
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:01:06 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

I agree with Srinivasan. The fact that there is no response 
does not mean there is no interest. (It might mean that
interested people feel unequal to the topic, I think I
am one in both ways.) I don't have time to add much more except that
any effort at forcibly inducing interest or givig up 
prematurtely will be unfortunate. I will not miss much in 
either case, but that is immaterial.

anbudan,
Sthan.
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