From: larry@cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: (C)Rap "music"
Summary: it ain't music!
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:10:10 GMT
Organization: Rush Limbaugh Fan Club, Southwest Division

In article <14616@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <92258.165516X42529@BARILVM.BITNET> X42529@BARILVM.BITNET (Shlomo) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep13.185254.27387@cs.com>, larry@cs.com (Larry Spence) says:
>|>
>|>In article <50vntag.dx@netcom.com> dx@netcom.com (dx) writes:
>|>>What the hell are you guys talking about?  Rap music isn't music?
>|>
>|>Damn right, you don't even have to play an instrument to "make" rap.
>|>>What is it then?
>|>Look at the subject line...
>|>>What do you mean by "music"?
>|>
>|>1. It's got guitars.
>|
>|classical music has no guitars !!!!!
> 
>Yes it does.  Have you ever heard of Julian Bream, Albinez, Manual De Falla?
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What is this, some of that "Tejano" or "Reggae Espanol" stuff?  Classical 
music is for wimps anyway -- I listen to music that's for rockers!  When
was the last time you got laid after talking to a babe about Schoenberg?
It just does not work, face it.

>|>2. It's rock and roll.
>|
>|so then all music beside rock and roll is "not music"? interesting....
> 
>Yea, that was a pretty lame requirement.  Blues, Jazz, Classical, Country,
>Bluegrass, Folk, none of that is music I guess.

Nope, not a one of them.  And _especially_ not that reggae crap.  A bunch
of stoned-out Jamaicans babbling stuff that's not even in english, why 
should I pay to hear this??  One thing that might be worse than (c)rap is
that "du(m)b" reggae... And those folkies, ugh, a bunch of liberal wacko
treehuggers. %(

>|>3. If women are involved, they're scantily clad and willing.
>|
>What do scantily clad women have to do with music. 

I can see that you have been listening to the wrong stuff!  What did you
spend you summer vacation doing, taking piano lessons and listening to
Enya?

>Maybe this guy 
>would spend less time watching MTV.  I guess music didn't exist before
>MTV.

No, actually there was rock & roll long before MTV!  Whitesnake, Led
Zeppelin, Ted Nugent, Journey, a lot of great stuff.  Check it out!

>|>4. No references to "OE800" or "a 40" or "big butts" in the lyrics.
>|
>|so only rap with sex or violence is "not music" while all other is?

No, all (c)rap is "not music."  It's a _fact_.  Are there any articles
about (c)rap in magazines like Rip or Kerrang?  Noooo.....  Have you
ever seen a rapper on Headbangers' Ball?  Noooooo............

>Who is this rapper that's advocating such violence?  It's Peter Gabriel
>from "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway", recorded in 1974.  

One of those artsy posers, yuck.  Now he drags a bunch of foreigners (not
to be confused with the great band) into his big-bucks studio and makes
this "world music" stuff, which might be even worse than (c)rap!  Sheesh...

>|>5. None of that drum-machine garbage or scratchy records.
>|
>|so ALL other acts never use drum machines?

Not if they're playing music.  There's gotta be a guy behind a drum set,
_playing drums_, for it to be rock and roll (and therefore music).  Isn't
this obvious?

>|>6. No "performers" with names like "Flavor Flavor."
>|
>|his name is "Flavor FLAV"

If I could tell what the hell he's saying, I would've gotten his name
right.  Just proves my point.

>He said *like* "Flavor Flavor".  The point is that it's a gimmick.  It
>seems every rap artist much have a handle.  There are so many non-musical
>related aspects to rap music that it detracts from the music that they
>are doing.  Wearing clothes backwards? Come on.  Wearing overalls with
>the straps hanging out? Why? 

I knew someone out there was with me!  See, when one of the dudes in
Winger or Bon Jovi (yeah!) has big hair or ripped jeans, _that's rock &
roll_.  When some (c)rapper wears a shower clock around his neck, _that
is not rock & roll_.  Hasn't this been discussed before?

>|>>I'm amazed this hasn't been discussed here before.

Yeah!

>There's another thing,  inventing words like "dis" and then using them
>in everyday language.  If rap music was based more on talent and less
>on image it would be more legitimate. 

I know, I know!  When was the last time you heard a decent guitar solo 
in a (c)rap song?  When??

>Of course, if someone has a closed
>mind there's no sense trying to convince them that there is anything 
>legitimate about rap music.

Why bother when you can listen to some real music?  Rap is just a fad
anyway, it's only been around for a few years and will probably (hopefully)
be gone in a couple more.  I think we should start a boycott of all the
good stores, like Sam Goody, Sound Warehouse, Hastings, etc., to get them
to take that (c)rap off their shelves.  No one buys it around here anyway.

Where do people discuss real music on this bbs?  I haven't seen a single
Damn Yankees posting since I logged onto this board.  Bogus.

-- 
Larry Spence
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