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From: jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Date: 1 Jan 93 21:42:56 GMT
Organization: SOCS - McGill University, Montreal, Canada

In article <1993Jan1.205502.10918@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
>> In article <1992Dec31.191959.9373@klaava.Helsinki.FI> lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
>> >Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
>> >
>I would never say that Intel is ahead of Motorola with their
>CISC-line. Fastest 68040 is easilly a match for fastest 486. P5 may
>give the lead to Intel if they manage to get it out before Moto is
>ready with 060.

Agreed here.  The 486, other than being available at higher clock rates 
than the 040 currently is, isn't really a clearly superior chip.  The
Motorola instruction and register sets are still a bit nicer for the 
assembly language programmer to deal with.

>	The reason why Moto may even lose the CISC-wars is not because
>they don't want to make fastest CISCs but because they can't afford to
>invest as much as Intel on their CISC's (I'm pretty sure Intel makes
>more money with CISCs thatn Moto even as they sell similar quantitys
>of them as Intel does sell more 486's than Moto 040's).

Actually, according to some statistics that I saw last summer, it looks 
like the x86 line outsells the 680x0 by about two to one.  I think that
this total includes non-Intel manufactured x86 knockoffs as well, though.

>Jarkko Lindblad         | sleep my friend and you will see
>lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi | that dream is my reality
>------------------------| they keep me locked up in this cage
>          - MetallicA - | can't they see it's why my brain say rage


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 03:08:22 GMT

In article <8820@orbit.cts.com> chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes:
> peter@NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
> >Damnit, Commodore, how long would it take to put AmigaGuide docs for all the
> >workbench tools online?

> Actually, I wouldn't want to waste the space on my hard drive (even though i
> do have 160 megs) with help files for AmigaDos..

So don't. delete *.guide opt a.

> consider that all commands
> have a help template which if you understand the basic context, is all that's
> necessary for most of them.

Hardly. They tell you "how", not "what" or "why" or "when".

> I wish someone would come up with a .guide management system... some way to
> put all your .guide files somewhere and be able to view them from a common key
> sequence..

Like the UNIX "man" command?
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From: mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 10:34:29 GMT

In <C022Fn.Azx@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>In article <1992Dec29.221215.9229@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>>In <C01GsK.L4C@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>>   I doubt it would uplift me.  Even in Europe there is no CD-ROM or good
>>>productivity software available for the Amiga.
>>
>>A CD-ROM is 'available' where you can buy generic SCSI CD-ROMs.

>   You are the second person to claim that a CD-ROM drive is a piece of
>software.  Doesn't anybody know the difference between hardware and software?

Then structure your sentences better. You said (read above):

Even in Europe there is || no CD-ROM || or || good productivity software ||
available for the Amiga.

Regards,
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 23:56:33 GMT
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Harv R Laser (Harv@cup.portal.com) wrote:
: >:
: >:     Windows isn't a worthwhile PC OS,
: >:
: >
: >Why, because *you* don't consider it such?  Fortunately, there are millions
: >of people out there who don't consider you the ultimate authority in OS's.
: >
:
: So what. There are millions of people who buy crap from the Home
: Shopping Club, millions of people who line up to buy Madonna ablums,
: millions of people who think "Home Alone" is moving making at its
: finest, millions of people who think Rosanne Arnold is a gifted and
: talented national treasure, millions of people who cram McDonalds
: food into their faces, millions of people who think Phil Donahue 
: has important things to say, and etc. 
:

Don't forget the millions of people who have bought Amigas :-)  It must be
fun for you to sit in front of your screen and pretend to be an expert in
everything from computers to popular music.  Obviously, you've carried the
illusion so far that you've actually started believing it.

:
: Just cuz something sells in the millions doesn't say one iota about
: that something's quality or usefulness or value.
:

Exactly.  It says nothing about quality, good *or* bad.  Get it?

:
: All it says is that
: someone's getting rich.  Please, keep your Windows and enjoy it to
: the hilt, but don't try to convince me that it's in any conceivable
: way a better operating system than the Amiga OS.
:

I really don't give a d*mn about what OS you think is better.

:
: I've used both and
: IMHO there's no comparison. 
:

Same here; there is no comparison.  They can't be compared without taking the
application into account.  After all, they were designed for different
markets, contain different (although overlapping) sets of capabilities, and
run different sets of applications.  It's apples and oranges.  To compare them
is pointless.

: Harv
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From: harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri Pesonen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: UChess.lha Avail via ftp
Date: 29 Dec 92 04:11:37 GMT
Organization: Fipnet, Helsinki, Finland
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article ??? uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun) writes:

[ a lot about his UChess ]

> bix: ruzun
> NET: uzun@crash.cts.com

I have tried to post several messages to that address (uzun@crash.cts.com)
but I think that they all have bounced back.  I am now trying the other
address, uzun@netcom.netcom.com.

The biggest problem with UChess is that it hangs if the mungwall is loaded.

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From: chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anybody there ? Obviously not!
Date: 22 Dec 92 09:25:00 GMT
Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN.

>In article <1992Dec16.111904.22827@sbcs.sunysb.edu> dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>>	That is an outcome of CBM's lack of advertising. I bought my first
>>Amiga at an outlet store, not a dealer. Amigas used to sell in Sears,
>>Service Merchandise, Software ETC, and other stores. C64's used to sell
>>in the previous, plus KMart, some toy stores, and even Radio Shack. 
>>
>>	Now They don't. And Apple sells them there instead.

Actually, Sears still sells Amigas, though only through their Catalog in most
stores.  SE stopped selling 500's when they heard it was being discontinued. 
They will shortly be carying 600's as soon as C= finalizes the commercial
package (I know, a friend is a manager at SE, he attended a seminar where they
were showing both the 600 and Commdore Palmtop which SE will soon be carying)

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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CBM mention on 12/11/92 Computer Chronicles
Date: 4 Jan 1993 02:40:59 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.2.33

In article <1993Jan3.204111.6980@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>Greg, this reeks of BS.  What exactly did you delete?  How did you go into
>memory and "delete" the parts of DOS that were already resident?  I'd really
>like to know.

I hacked together a quick program that would delete the MS-DOS image
from ram.  Instant "poof".  Try it yourself, it's fascinating.  Not
that hard to do.

Greg



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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 18:20:18 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec22.065634.10095@utstat.toronto.edu> <#ft206b@rpi.edu>

>|> Wait a minute. You are the 2cond person to claim this re Sierra and EA. Am
>|> I reading different news or what up here? Could you please indicate where
>|> you read/heard/etc...this?
>
>It is definitely and engraved-in-stone sure that Sierra is dropping the Amiga.
>LucasArts is also really-for-sure gone. I haven't heard anything about EA, I
>don't know WHAT to believe there...

No one is doubting you, but you haven't told us which stone its engraved on.
Lots of people have *told* me Sierra is dropping the Amiga, but Sierra in
several messages on Compuserve hasn't said anything.

Customer support for Lucasarts doesn't *say* anything about dropping
Amiga support. I have no doubt they are considering it, but I suspect
a lot of projects at game companies are being reconsidered, especially
considering *all* platforms (including MS-DOS) are doing poorly.

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
From: devasoft@cup.portal.com (David Michael Alves)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I am FORCED to by a laptop!  HEELP ME!
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 21:01:38 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>So, lets start out with the first program:  DeluxePaint IV.
>Is there anything remotely simular on the compatables?-

DeluxePaint is available for the PC under the name "DeluxePaint II
Enhanced".  It has everything the Amiga version has except for animation
capabilities.  (There is a seperate module available which handles that,
but I haven't used it so can't comment on it.)

The program loads and saves in both IFF and PCX formats, so it's really
easy to bring Amiga images over to the PC.  Everything behaves pretty 
much exactly like the Amiga version, (a few pull-down menus are a bit 
different), so if you know the Amiga version, you'll find the PC version
a breeze to use.

David Alves
Devasoft
devasoft@cup.portal.com

>Travis Carter
>--
>Faith Gibson
>slhmz@cc.usu.edu
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From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 15:27:31 GMT
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John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:
:
:     Somewhere in my response to Dan I referred to a "current feature
:     level that is expected nowadays". This sentence of yours is pure
:     hogwash.
:

So is your claim that a 512K Amiga can run "current feature level"
applications.  So my analogy holds perfectly, while you're just whining.

:
:     Your Atari 800 example is foolish, but because it's your argument
:     you refuse to admit so. Your bald-faced lie about it being able
:     to run the apps of today is just sinking you deeper into your web
:     of self-deceit.
:

Excuse me, John, but *you* are lying about what I said.  I said the Atari 800
could run useful apps for *its* day, not the apps of today.  The same is true
of a 512K Amiga.  Do you still not understand the analogy?

:
:     Har! You introduced a broken analogy, but true to form you'll
:     stand by it, eh? No matter what lies you have to produce to back
:     it up.
:

I haven't lied.  You just did (see above).

:
: *** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
:
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From: pjotr@ludd.luth.se (Peter Sj|str|m)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 1200/4000 pricing
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:59:30 GMT
Organization: Lule} Tekniska H|gskolas Datorf|rening - Ludd

In <C01Hwo.M2z@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:

>   Two local Omaha dealers are selling 33Mhz 486DX systems with 4M of RAM, 
>SVGA card, SVGA monitor, and 100M hard drive for $1300.  And prices are likely
>going to go lower still. 

	Why post this in this newsgroup??? These kinds of postings are frowned
upon even in misc.forsale.*!

		/Peter

	ps. Our local grossery store sells fresh milk for less than 50 cents
a litre! ( :) for Marc... )
From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Date: 29 Dec 92 04:56:06 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <28DEC199201490807@cs.umass.edu> atkin@cs.umass.edu (Marc Atkin) writes:
>o Do you go to every software shop in the mall and rant and rave about them not
>  having any Amiga software until you are thrown out?

	<WHIPCRACK!!>  Back to your CELL, Atkin!!  What are you doing,
wandering around c.s.a.advocacy?!?

>(yes, I know Dan Barrett. Oooohhh, I feel really important now :)

	Oh, well, OK.  You can come out then. :-)  When do you want to
get together and finish "Zak McCracken," anyway?

>c) The Usenet newsgroups spread a lot more "gloom and doom" than is probably
>   justified. The Amiga is doing very well in large parts of Europe. You can
>   walk in to any bookstore in Germany or the UK and see a dozen Amiga maga-
>   zines in the shelves (it is very uplifting - you should try it).

	Marc makes a good point here, folks!  Take a moment to check out
some European Amiga magazines sometime.  They aren't for everyone, but
we're talking *huge* magazines written by excited people.  It can be quite
uplifting.

                                                        Dan

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From: kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Winter CES (was:CDTV console due soon)
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:10:09 GMT
Reply-To: kreckman@cbmvax.commodore.com (Steve Kreckman)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

The dates for the Winter Consumer Electronics show in Las Vegas are Jan 7-12.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Subject: Re: Does reading this group make you depressed? The story of a victim.
Organization: University of Helsinki
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:58:54 GMT

David Leslie (dleslie@phakt.usc.edu) wrote:
> In article lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
> >Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
> >>    I doubt it would uplift me.  Even in Europe there is no CD-ROM or good
> >> productivity software available for the Amiga.
> >That's true Marc, CygnusEd Professional, SAS C 6.1, Video Toaster's
> >software, Real 3D 2.0, they all suck, they're lousy and all inferior
> >to even most basic MicroSoft products. And of course we all know how
> >one definately can not hook all those CD-ROMs available via SCSI. God
> >you're pathetic, Marc.
> 
> Look, I know it is natural to bash Marc Barrett, but it is important

:-)

> not to ignore possible underlying truths. The fact is that there is
> a severe shortage quality productivity software. The titles you mention

Sure there is shortage, but that is not what Marc said. Marc said that
there is _no_ good productivity software for Amiga at all.

> Those five applications, IMHO, make clones+windows more useful than
> the amiga. I mean, Real 3-d and the toaster have limited use. Do

You can't say this: is Microsloth Word a better choise for someone who
makes 3d-animations, than Real 3D? The fact that clones have better
word processors and spreadsheets does not make them more useful for
everyone. Sure I'd like to have a superhyper word processor, but I
could not afford to buy is, so it's not at all more usefull for more
than a simple text editor or a simpler word processor.

> you have a toaster? I don't. At some point hardware superiority

A live in a PAL-country and there is no PAL-toasters, so no. And I
would not have any uses for it either.

> becomes irrelevent when software is so obviously inferior, or even

I don't think that graphics software is a problem with Amiga, do you?
There are some areas where software base on Amiga is inferior, but if
you really think it, you should realize that 99% of PC owners never use
more than 10% of the features of some whiz-bang word processor Amiga
does not have.

Sorry if I sounded a bit tense, I'm just a bit tired, haven't slept
much lately.

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lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi | that dream is my reality
------------------------| they keep me locked up in this cage
          - MetallicA - | can't they see it's why my brain say rage
From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:42:56 GMT
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Organization: Flying Cat, Inc.

In article <BznG7z.HI5@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>>Basically, you have not proven to me that you've ever done anything
>>that will help the Amiga, Amiga users, or, in fact, anyone.
>
>   I was your typical Commodore-can-do-no-wrong Amigoid for a long, long time.
>It took a lot to change me.

Really ?  As far as I can tell, all it took was Usenet access.  I remember
your first postings to the amiga groups on the net, about how much
better the Macs and Suns you had access to at school were than your
Amiga, and how C= was doomed because of it...what was that, about
6 years ago ?

(I also remember how you set up your account to post everything you emailed
 from your school account to the amiga newsgroup, which was amusing
 the first three or four days :-) )

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu


			andy
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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 25 Dec 92 15:36:24 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki
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Stephenson Daniel A (das9674@usl.edu) wrote:

> > yet could still multitask applications with only 256K.  The savvy 'populous' said:
> 
> You are terribly mistaken if you think an Amiga with 512K, much 
> less 512k,  can multitask useful apps.  Terribly mistaken.

Most text editoris dont take much memory, neither do terminal programs
- one can actually multitask usefull applications in 512K in Amiga -
of course not too many and not too large ones at the same time. 256K
is too little for just about anything.

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lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi | that dream is my reality
------------------------| they keep me locked up in this cage
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From: mike@struad.uucp (Michael Cianflone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Future Amiga chipset
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:39:52 PST
Organization: Structured Applications & Designs, Inc. R&D Institute.

In article <BzKpEL.3En@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>In article <jil.724790751@kickapoo.cs.iastate.edu> jil@kickapoo.cs.iastate.edu (Jim Lathrop) writes:
>>Maybe I should start posting proofs that PH is infinite. (-: (-: (-: (-:
>>As far as I know, Marc is not part of the CS program.  There would be high
>>probability that he would have taken a class that I TA'd.  Would you care
>>to comment on your major Marc???  
>
>   Double major in computer science and economics.  I have been taking mostly
>econ classes and other non-CS courses for the past few semesters.  I got tired
>of CS courses and needed a break.
>
>---
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>--------------------------------------------------

--
  So basically you couldn't handle the courses that were needed and decided
to change your major. You couldn't understand all that computer stuff. "got
tired of CS courses and needed a break" HA! you couldn't hang with CS and
dropped it as a major. What a loser! Marc Barrett is a CS droooooooopouuuuut!
Marc Barrett is a CS drooooooooopouuuuuuut!
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