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From: rem@public.BTR.COM (Robert E. Maas  rem@btr.com)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: How long before graduation to post resume?
Keywords: post resume advance
Date: 12 Sep 92 04:29:56 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

aboltwoo@alfred.carleton.ca (Alana Boltwood) writes:
<<I'm graduating in spring 1993 and looking for a job that starts at
the beginning of May, at the earliest. How long before that should I
post my resume on misc.jobs.resume?>>

Just my opinion as another jobseeker (experts please offer other
views): It's never too early, especially during this terrible
recession, to start networking. I suggest as soon as you know for sure
you won't be continuing in school, i.e. you can state when you'll be
available for work, is a good time to start posting your resume and
making other preliminary contacts as time permits.

<<Should I post it multiple times, and if so, at what interval?>>

Set the Expiration so it'll stay around a full month at sites that have
enough disk space to keep it that long. Obviously don't post again
during that month. After that, after you are actually ready to work I'd
say re-post right away, with a new improved resume, but when you're not
yet available maybe wait a month or so after it expires.
From: lee@luke.rsg.hac.com (C. Lee)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Seattle job news groups?
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:32:54 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company; Culver City, CA

Does anyone know how I can subscribe to any Seattle/Western Washington job
news groups?  Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
-- Craig (lee@luke.rsg.hac.com)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From:  deadcat@deadcat.msk.su (Vladimir Zhelezniakov)
Subject: Re: proposal to split group
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:38:14 GMT
Reply-To: deadcat@deadcat.msk.su
Organization: Private user
Keywords: right
Summary: At higher !

In ART: <715704461snx@apusapus.demon.co.uk> (Trevor Jenkins):
>In article <HRsLqB1w165w@dogear.spk.wa.us> bobk@dogear.spk.wa.us writes:
>> cdibble@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Clifford Thomas Dibble) writes:
etc.

>If the group was split then I contend that the split be made higher in the
>hierarchy, eg misc.jobs.computing.offered, misc.jobs.concert-tour.offered,
>etc. Or (this is the one I'd vote for) misc.jobs.recruiter.advertising and
>misc.jobs.offered.genuine.
...
>Trevor Jenkins                                   Radio: G6AJG

DAMMNNN RIGHT!!!!!
Must be the only sane way to order tis mess.

Vladimir.


Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: duwors@csi.uottawa.ca (Robert J. Du Wors)
Subject: Now that's tough...
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 21:00:05 GMT

We all know that things are getting a bit demanding out there, but
this posting really lays it on the line:

> Newsgroups: misc.jobs.offered
> Subject: SENIOR/LEAD USER INTERFACE DEVELOPER  (NO. CAL)  (RECRUITER)
> Keywords: Motif, Open Look, Windows, 3-D CAD
> Date: 9 Sep 92 17:50:40 GMT
> 
> TITLE>          LEAD PROGRAMMER DESIGN ENVIRONMENT
> REQUIREMENTS>   Minimum 305 years industrial experience. Strong "C++"
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Academic experience not suitable...Sorry, Sir I. Newton!  Talk about
getting stuck in a rut!  Maybe this is "technology comes to New Age":
sit down and tell us about your jobs in the last 10 lives!

> 
> Currently, TMC has a client, in the Northern region of the San Francisco 
> Bay, seeking a manager for a CAD software development environment. The 
> comapny has a very unique and exciting atmosphere and encourages 
> creativity.

You bet!   :-)

Rob D.

P.S. Who said that reading these dry old news groups can't be fun!
From: sandee@Think.COM (Daan Sandee)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: yet another split ?
Date: 11 Sep 1992 21:08:32 GMT
Organization: TMC
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <4zvnqp=.pdh@netcom.com>, pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard ) writes:
|> There have been some postings about another split proposal in mjo.
|> Such posting belong HERE (or in news.groups if/when they reach a
|> mature level).

Hear, hear. MJO does not suffer from too many headhunters or lack of regional
information, but from the whining of the idiots who use it to vent their
annoyance at not getting a job. (Obviously, there is a positive correlation
between their lack of brains, as shown in their posts, and the fact that
they're not getting a job.)
Like you, I keep strictly to the MJO charter, so I don't post messages like
this one on it, nor do I feel inclined to flame the fools by Email. But
maybe an automated posting THIS IS FOR JOB OFFERS ONLY NO BITCHIN MOANIN
WHININ OR RESUMES (twice daily) would help.
|> 
|> IMHO, we don't need no STEEKIN SPLITS for a while longer.

Amen to that. IMHO, splitting a group like mjo would merely cause the posters
(i.e., the prospective employers) to crosspost all over the place. They
can't be bothered to figure out what subgroup they should post to, and
I can't blame them. If we can't manage to teach them to use intelligent
Subject lines, we can't expect them to post to the correct group.
The *only* reasonable change to mjo would be a moderator. I would welcome
that, mostly to weed out the idiot postings alluded to above, but personally
I don't feel the need. I have been reading mjo on a daily basis for three
years and I have no problem with the current situation. (To show a
bit of wisdom-after-the-fact, I didn't post on the m.j.o.entrylevel
proposal, but it appears to have been a failure, as I expected.)

|> /***********************************************************************\
|> | Phil Howard  ---  KA9WGN  ---  pdh@netcom.com   |   "The problem with |
|> | depending on government is that you cannot depend on it" - Tony Brown |
|> \***********************************************************************/

Daan Sandee                                           sandee@think.com
Thinking Machines Corporation
Cambridge, Mass 02142                                 (617) 234-5044
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: NETOPRSS@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu
Subject: RTP, NC Headhunter request
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:12:18 GMT

 
There must be headhunters which specialize in recruiting for the RTP area.
 
However, as yet, your location is a secret.  if anyone has a number/address/
or method of contacting one/some, please email me AND post it to the net.
 
Also: take heart: While I'm searching for the "right" position in the triangle
area, I graduated August 6th, and I was hired by August 29th.  And, NO,
I'm no 4.0 student, nor did I have some ultra specialized major.  I just
applied, kept after it, and paid a hiring manager $50 (lot of $$ I know) to
look over my resume.  Before, I got almost no responses, not even polite
"no thanks letters".  Afterwards, I got 5 phone calls the first day.  Within
a week, week and a half, I was working.  Like the other guy said, DON"T
give up.  It's frustrating, but DON'T give up.  Keep the hair trimmed, and
the shoes shines, and the smile.  Just tell youself there's X chance that
you'll get a job, every NO is one closer to a YES.
 
   Sue
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: ron@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Ron Hill)
Subject: to post test
Organization: Lockheed Santa Cruz, CA.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 22:14:14 GMT







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----
Ron Hill	ron@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: alexande@genghis.borland.com (Mark Alexander)
Subject: Re: Earning a living in the country
Originator: alexande@genghis.borland.com
Keywords: work at home, telecommute, specifications
Organization: Borland International
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:17:15 GMT

In article <2992@voodoo.UUCP> mnb@voodoo.boeing.com (Mike Burr) writes:
>The solution.... don't know, perhaps we have to wait for the current
>ranks of managers/VPs/etc. who have their roots pre-information age,
>to retire.

Unfortunately, I don't think this will make much difference.  Even
companies run by relatively enlightened folks who have software
engineering backgrounds still balk at the idea of telecommuting.
In such companies, you have to:

 - be highly valued by your manager
 - be willing to show up in the office several days a week
 - have the type of job that doesn't require your physical presence
 - have a proven record of productivity at home

Of course, with the exception of the second item, these are probably
basic requirements for telecommuting even in an enlightened company.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: hamon@a.cs.okstate.edu (HAMON SHARON ANN)
Subject: Re: What does "good phone skills" mean in job ads?
Organization: Oklahoma State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:38:29 GMT

My guess is that it means you are able to communicate well verbally, 
carry on a conversation with clients, etc. in a courteous and friendly
manner, make them feel important, etc.  But then I've never run across
this requirement before.

--Sharon
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rajesh@longhair.cs.unlv.edu (Rajesh Viswanathan)
Subject: Re: Info wanted on Industrial Engineering related jobs
Reply-To: rajesh@longhair.cs.unlv.edu (Rajesh Viswanathan)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:48:40 GMT

>My friend has done his MS in Industrial Engineering with major in Automation.
>He is looking for a job and currently staying in California. Could anybody 
>suggest names of some headhunters for his kind of background either in CA 
>or else where ? 

>Also is there any group where he could post his resume or find jobs postings ?

misc.jobs.resumes
-- 
Rajesh
:: I hope if dogs ever take over the world, and they chose a king, they     ::
:: don't just go by size, because I bet there are some Chihuahuas with some ::
:: good ideas.								    ::
From: bday@athena.cs.uga.edu (bday)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: "full tuition reimbursement" ??
Date: 12 Sep 92 16:30:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens



This line appeared in a job announcement on misc.jobs.offered.entry.
It was right after the salary, with the benefits.

      "full tuition reimbursement for major university"

What does this mean?

+ Bea
From: mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Ethic's question - when you see a co-workers resume posted...
Keywords: ethic's,resumes,John Bonning at BellSouth Advanced Networks
Date: 5 Sep 92 23:33:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pacific Software Group, Riverside, Ca.

In an article, jensen@gauss.eedsp.gatech.edu (P. Allen Jensen) writes:
>If one finds a co-workers resume posted to one of the resume news
>groups, is it ethical to distribute a copy of that posting to
>other people within the company ?

Since you publically posted your resume (akin to pinning it up on a
bulletin board in the EDD), one could expect that there is the chance
that a superior could discover it.

Of course, the action of the co-worker (who expects to score points by
offering the head of a "disloyal" employee) is unethical -- but not
altogther suprising in this day and age.  If I was that individual's
manager, I would be encouraging him to do the same thing that you did
(ie: post his resume and find himself another job.)

-- 
Mike Stefanik  mike@pacsoft.com  ...!uunet!pacsoft!mike
Pacific Software Group, Riverside, CA
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,sci.psychology
From: hansen@rddvax.decnet.lockheed.com
Subject: Re:career help
Organization: Lockheed Palo Alto Research Labs
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 00:36:00 GMT

In article <v=wnghd.sbale@netcom.com>, sbale@netcom.com (Swamy S. Bale) writes:
> 
> I have some kind of shyness, fear, and negligence which is costing me my job.
> I am interested in hearing from you people on how can I improve my
> situation and try to be aggressive, cool and attentive. Also I have some
> sort of communication problem. In the meeting, I cannot express my views 
> and communicate well. Sometime I forget why I am sitting in the meeting room.
> While talking in phone, I cannot understand 100% of what the other party 
> says(I have slight hearing problem). As I start talking to people, I feel like 
> they are not interested in talking to me. It looks like I have bad conversation
> skills.(whether it is telephone or not). Because of this, I think I've lost lot
> of good opportunities.

Dear Swami;

I personally recommend Toastmasters. This is an international series of clubs.
Their goals are to improve their members speaking/listening skills, develop 
leadership skills, develop training skills, and just have a good time! I 
have found that it has helped me a great deal. While still slightly shy in 
one-on-one, I have improved my meeting skills, and presentations to a group.

The idea is that practice makes perfect. In a typical meeting, 2-3 members 
will give 5-7 minute speeches. Each speaker is verbally evaluated by 
another member, in addition to written comments from all members. There 
is also a series of impromptu 1-2 minute speeches. The meetings are to be 
run by Robert's Rule of Order. However, you will find that each club has 
its own flavor. I suggest that you visit 2-3 clubs before joining one. 
The cost is now $18 every 6 months, with an additional amount for books 
when you join. You will get out as much as you put into it.

To find a local club, try the phone book or your chamber of commerce. Some 
clubs will list there. If not, try writing to Toastmasters International 
in Santa Ana, CA. Tell them where you live, and they will send a list of 
clubs in your area. 

I have also heard people praise Dale Carnegie's course, but I have not 
taken it personally. 
				Glenn Hansen
and cookie says:
Life is like a tv. You can change the channel any time you want. 
	But there is no remote!
From: gadgil@fsdev.enet.dec.com (My name is Manisha Gadgil)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Info wanted on Industrial Engineering related jobs
Date: 10 Sep 92 13:36:08 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


My friend has done his MS in Industrial Engineering with major in Automation.
He is looking for a job and currently staying in California. Could anybody 
suggest names of some headhunters for his kind of background either in CA 
or else where ? 

Also is there any group where he could post his resume or find jobs postings ?


Manisha
From: jfm@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (John F. McGowan)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: RF (Analog) Jobs in San Francisco Bay Area
Keywords: RF Analog Finite Difference Finite Element Bay Area Jobs
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:15:05 GMT

I have a friend who is a newly minted Ph.D. (EE) in Analog RF.  He is
looking for a job in the San Francisco Bay Area.  He has several years of
experience using finite element/difference methods to simulate Analog RF
especially in and around human tissue.  The frequencies were 900 - 1100
MegaHertz.  He is also familiar with antenna building and design.  Has a
variety of computer skills also.

So, what I am looking for is:

(1) names of any analog rf headhunters in the Bay Area.

(2) names of any companies that might be looking for these sorts of skills
or analog rf skills in general.

(3) any other relevant information or advice.

Respond by e-mail or posting as you like.

		Thanks in advance to anyone who responds,

				John McGowan

Office: (415) 926-2593
Home:   (415) 961-1429
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: sbale@netcom.com (Swamy S. Bale)
Subject: Seeking career related help .....
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 06:13:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na


Hello,

I am seeking help from you, the knowledgable netters.

I am wondering, is it only happening to me or anybody has experienced the 
following situation?

I have some kind of shyness, fear, and negligence which is costing me my job.
I am interested in hearing from you people on how can I improve my
situation and try to be aggressive, cool and attentive. Also I have some
sort of communication problem. In the meeting, I cannot express my views 
and communicate well. Sometime I forget why I am sitting in the meeting room.
While talking in phone, I cannot understand 100% of what the other party 
says(I have slight hearing problem). As I start talking to people, I feel like 
they are not interested in talking to me. It looks like I have bad conversation
skills.(whether it is telephone or not). Because of this, I think I've lost lot
of good opportunities.

How can I overcome all this weaknesses?

Please recommend me some good books or professional help.  

thanks
swami

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: wiley@cactus.org (Mark S. Wiley)
Subject: Re: Ethic's question - when you see a co-workers resume posted.
Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:43:39 GMT

In article <1388@pacsoft.com> mike@pacsoft.com (Mike Stefanik) writes:
>In an article, ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith) writes:
>>Aren't you people who are saying that informing on the resume-poster was
>>rude or unethical jumping the gun?  A lot depends on the situation at the
>>organization.  For example, if the poster was critical to a new project
>>that was critical to the survival of the company, making sure that
>>management knows that he might be leaving is not at all unethical.
>
>I disagree with this. Regardless of how "critical" the project was, it
>was the *poster's* responsiblity to inform his manager that he was looking
>around (and the details are strictly between those two people).  To be
>blunt, it was none of the co-worker's damn business in the first place,
>and second-rate rationalizations (ie: it was for the good of the company)
>don't wash in my opinion.
>

It would seem to me that once you post something it's public
information, and anyone can talk to anyone else they want to about it.

						Just my 2 cents,
						Mark
-- 
Mark S. Wiley
mark.wiley@cactus.org
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: R2SK9@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Srinivas Kandikattu)
Subject: List of Head Hunters around N.E. OHIO for EE/Comp.E
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:55:05 GMT

 
The subject says all.....
 
Thanx
Srini
From: martin@sec.dom.uab.edu (Martin K. Jones)
Subject: Re: Purify
Keywords: Pure, Purify, quality
Reply-To: martin@sec.dom.uab.edu (Martin K. Jones)
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:46:21 GMT


In article <542@sadis01.sa.aflc.af.mil>, dgray@sadis01.sa.aflc.af.mil ( SCDR) writes:
|>
|>   I have just recently heard about a product called Purify from Pure Software
|>The product apparently does a very-high level quality check on C/C++ code.
|>Does anyone out there know anything about the product or the company? 
|>
There is a glowing review in the September 1992 issue of IEEE Software,
p. 123.

				Martin K. Jones
	   			University of Alabama at Birmingham
	   			MARTIN@ARU.DOM.UAB.EDU

Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: rita@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Rita Chang)
Subject: Freelance DTP or Graphic Design Jobs
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:39:13 GMT

Hello out there!   This is my first post =)  This post is directed towards
all Desktop publisher freelancers or any graphic design freelancers.  I was
wondering how one goes about starting a freelance business.  Also, if
anybody knows of any information on how to go about getting a beginner DTP
position and what is available out there.  I appreciate any information
regarding any of these questions.  Thanks in advance. 

Rita
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 10:05:52 EDT
From: <EGQ@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Jobs In Spain

Hello,
Does anyone know of any publications for job listings in Spain?
I am particularly interested in Mechanical/Civil Engineering and
Computer Programming jobs?
Thank you
Mounir Blibeche / Penn State
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc,misc.jobs.offered,misc.jobs.contract
From: wevans@ecst.csuchico.edu (Bill Evans)
Subject: Experienced DATABASE PROGRAMMERS WANTED (repost)
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 05:27:27 GMT




    OPTX will be adding four database programmers to its staff.
    If you consider yourself an expert with ACCELL, Informix, Ingres, 
    or Sybase, please contact us,  You may be the next addition 
    to our staff.
    
    Voice and FAX numbers appear below.  Please FAX resumes if possible.


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From: rem@btr.BTR.COM (Robert E. Maas  rem@btr.com)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Jobs on in misc.jobs.offered
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:20:58 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

I got my current (but temporary) job indirectly via these
...jobs.offered newsgroups (misc. ba. or su. I forget which). Several
months ago I saw a job ad that looked really interesting but when I
inquired it turned out the job required a lot more LAN experience than
I had, so I let it slide. A couple months later I inquired whether the
person had found somebody to do the job, and he replied he had, but now
he was running his own private business and needed help with some new
task that sounded interesting again but this time more like something I
might actually be expert enough to do myself. We chatted back and forth
awhile discussing how the task might be done, came to a general
agreement that my proposed methods might be workable, and finally I got
hired, and started work Sept.02. So far the job is working nicely.

Conclusion: one more vote for these newsgroups actually being useful
once in a while, although not in the usually expected way of actually
getting the job that was initially advertised. Also one more vote for
"networking" where you make contacts and only later learn about some
new job that wasn't ever advertised. A curious intertwining of the two
approaches.
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc