HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Copyright and the Internet
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:35:06 GMT
Reply-To: Leo Smith <shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Organization: Gated to News by demon.co.uk

Brian Thomson is corrrect to distinguish between the Internet - which
is effectively all sites than can send and receive E-mail and Usenet
news, and NSF net which is the not-for-profit US branch.

Additionally in Europe there are problems with censorship: Each
country has one gateway, and news is often filtered to remove
various groups, since it *might* be held that storing such material
on a computer violates local pornography or sex discrimination laws.

This is a real hazy area: Think about something else. Suppose I
e-mail the US from the UK with my credit card number, and a request
for a program, and someone e-mails me the program and a manual to go
with it.

Have we just violated import restrictions? Probably.

Lets face it - the law can't cope with the internet - and sooner or
later there is going to be some test cases that set precedents. This
could be very bad news for the 'net - if the judgements are done in
ignorance.

I think we all ought to understand and wise up to the issues - that
knowledge might be needed.

Anyone know any lawyers working in this area?
From: lytle@noao.edu (Dyer Lytle  CCS)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: immaturity on rec.photo
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:33:37 GMT
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA



Gentlemen,

I have not been following the thread about copyright so, unfortunately,
the following is taken out of context.

The following rhetoric compares favorably with the sort of flame wars
that occur in groups like "talk.abortion" or, perhaps "alt.flame".
I don't think it really accomplishes anything but it does make the
rec.photo less pleasant to read.

If the people involved in this (and you know who you are) have something
something constructive to say about PHOTOGRAPHY or have a question about
PHOTOGRAPHY we would be very glad to read and respond.  Otherwise,
please take this discussion to another group or correspond by e-mail.

> > 
> > For all those peole who may be as dense as "Rockerboy", I'm just
> > joking!!!!   8^)  8^)  8^)  8^)
> > 
> 
> You are the most noxious person I have had the ill fortune to come across, 
> here, sir.  What you are doing is whining repeatedly, over and over, and 
> 
> brain rot that people like you dish out.  You _reek_ of the corporate 
> mentality pal.  Go ahead, post software to the net.  I think you _should_ 
> be able to do it, smart ass.  And I think all the corp people like Bill 
> Gates, etc., could get as pissed off as they like, because it really 
> would have very little effect on me.  You sound like somebody with 
> something to lose.  You sound like some cowering little worm who sweats 
> petty copyright laws which are only there to fill pockets of a bunch of 
> greedy corporate scumbags.  You sound like you need an enema.
> 
> Lay off me, jerk.  I have stated an opinion, and I don't appreciate being 
> lambasted over it.  What is it about some people that they can't just 

Thank you very much,

 -Dyer Lytle


-- 
Dyer Lytle, National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, 602-323-4136
Internet: lytle@noao.edu        SPAN: NOAO::LYTLE (NOAO=5355) 
Newsgroups: rec.photo,misc.legal,alt.bbs
From: strong@tc.fluke.COM (Norm Strong)
Subject: Re: Ways of chilling or banning Usenet
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:38:59 GMT

In article <21086@venera.isi.edu> finn@dalek.isi.edu (Greg Finn) writes:
}In article <1992Apr6.192723.1563@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> whs70@dancer.UUCP () writes:
}
}>....  One need only look at the inability of the
}>recording and movie industry with regard to that industry's desire
}>for restrictive legislation against copyright infringing duplication
}>of movies anbd audio recordings.  There has yet to be any law passed
}>that even partially addresses movie/recording piracy, etc.
}
}	This is interesting.  How do you explain the repeated arrests
}for movie/recording pirating?  Living in Los Angeles I often hear
}reported FBI and local arrests for this, often accompanied by film of
}thousands of cassettes or VHS tapes being confiscated.  Pretty wierd
}considering "There has yet to be any law passed that even partially
}addresses movie/recording piracy, etc".

As someone put it succinctly, videotapes have no civil rights, so they
can be placed under arrest without charge--and no worry about habeas
corpus.  

-- 

Norm Strong  (strong@tc.fluke.com)
2528 31st S.   Seattle WA 98144   USA
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung)
Subject: Re: Some arcane questions
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:10:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.183059.5856@colorado.edu> duli@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Li Du) writes:
>In article <144304.27087> shun@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (shun.cheung) writes:

>>It really varies from case to case whether Nikon changes the
>>optical design when they introduce the AF version of a lens.
>>The 105 macro mentioned above is very different from the
>>non-AF version, for example, but the 35mm/f2 AF is optically
>>identical to the non-AF lens.

>	Just a point here, the AF 35/2.0 is not optically identical
>	to the non-AF 35/2.0. The AF version has a 6-element 5-group
>	design that foucses down to 0.25m, while the MF version had
>	a 8-elememt 6-group design that focused to 0.3m.

Ooops; thanks for the correction. I rememberd that one of the wide
angles had the same optical design in both versions; it is actually
the 20mm/f2.8. I should have checked the data sheet instead of
relying on my fading memory.
-- 
-- Shun Cheung,    electronic: shun.cheung@att.com    voice: (908) 615-5135
     HR 1A-304, AT&T Bell Labs, 480 Red Hill Road, Middletown, NJ, 07748 USA
From: dougb@comm.mot.com (DX529 Doug Bank)
Subject: Re: Sigma's Zen finish
Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 15:38:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.010553.6472@walter.bellcore.com>, jchen@flash.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) writes:

|> I admit that I have seen or felt the Zen finish yet. But I assume if Sigma
|> spends so much money to market it, there should be some merit to it.
|> 
|> A couple of months ago, there was an test report on Sigma 75-300 APO with
|> the Zen finish. The editor seemed to like the feel of the Zen coating.
|> Of course, he might have a reason to.
|> 
|> Since "feels" are quite subjective, I would appreciate other opinions about
|> the Zen stuff. Thanks.

I've got the 75-300 APO with the ZEN finish and it feels just FINE!
I doubt it makes any difference in the world, but I think it probably
is a bit easier to hold, and it looks better too.  (As if that matters)

-- 
Doug Bank                       Private Systems Division
dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com          Motorola Communications Sector
dougb@nwu.edu                   Schaumburg, Illinois
dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu       708-576-8207
From: emikami@nmt.edu (Ernest Mikami)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: AEB on EOS
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:51:52 GMT
Organization: New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology


Hi,

I'm in the process of buying another EOS.  I was looking for
Autoexposure Bracketing feature.  I heard that there are 2
versions of this feature:

	1.  Cancels automatically after one set of 3 exposure
	bracketing.

	2.  Does not cancel unless the user tells it to.

I prefer the 2nd version.  Can anyone tell me which models
of the EOS line has this version of AEB?

Thanks in advance
From: jimc@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Jim Centanni)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Camera Club looking for 4x5
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:57:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpmwmat2.12430019
Organization: HP Santa Rosa Site (NMD MTA MWTD). - Santa Rosa, Ca.

Greetings,

The Hewlett-Packard Santa Rosa Camera Club is looking for a reasonably
priced 4x5 press camera in good condition.

Since we are located in Santa Rosa, California we would prefer to deal
with someone in the San Francisco Bay Area or closer.

Please respond by e-mail to:

jimc@sr.hp.com

Thanks!
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: nstrand@pima.intel.com (Norman Strand~)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: RE:Filters for view cameras
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:25:40 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ

I have many filters to use with my various veiw cameras.  One problem
seems to be that the threads on many of my older lenses are not the
currently popular sizes.  The cokin P series universal mount seems to
work on any lens smaller than about 72mm.  I feel it is the best choise
I have made so far.  The cokin system includes frames for 3" x 3" gels.
There are a very large number of gels avaiable from Kodak and Calumet.

Calumet sells some compendium hoods that have slots for filters.  I 
tried using a rented one once.  It seemed to work very well.

If you get too frustrated in trying to find filters in the size to
fit your lens, an option is to take a filter of a standard size but
a little larger than your lens. Remove the glass from the filter and
glue the ring onto the outside of the barrel of the lens.  This allows
you to use standard filters.  It looks real ugly.

Norman Strand
From: hargitai@acf5.NYU.EDU (hargitai)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: burning in with filters on multigrade fiber
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:53:49 GMT
Organization: New York University

Hi,

I've been long usin Agfa Insignia as my only paper. But now that I

went through The Pyro Book, (the part when he talks about printing

on Ilford MG fiber for the ability to burn in with graded filters)


I started to wonder if it made sense to switch?

(cost is also a factor, almost 50%)

thanks

joseph
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: sorrell@triton.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: Olympus lenses - how good are they?
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 01:21:35 GMT
Organization: very little, maybe tommorrow,  

I have the 90mm macro and the 18mm f3.5 as well as some others. 
I have found the 90mm macro to be the sharpest lens I have ever seen 
on any 35 camera brand.  It is even better than the early models of 
the Nikon 105mm f2.8.  Its only problem is that it is quite heavy.   
It is made of brass and is very sturdy. 

The 18mm is quite good also, it gives a dramatic perspective,  
without distortion however.  

I can also highly reccommend the 50mm f2 macro, beautifully sharp and 
not heavy, at all.  I carried these three, a 4T body and winder around
the world, always in my general purpose shoulder bag last year.  The 
gear included a small binocular, tape rec, and sw1 radio.  My shoulder 
tells me to leave the 90 next trip for the small 135, but I'm sure I'll 
put up with it again.  A small clamp pod and the 90 made some of my 
most treasured scenes.  

In my experience, the 24mm is of average quality, I almost never use 
it.  I do not know the 20mm f2 macro, at all.  I would like some info 
on it.  

I might also comment that the 4T has never failed to perform better than 
me in nearly 5 years of travel in the tropics, deserts, on the sea, and 
even a few times in a slipstream.  The circuitry and mechanism in the 4T 
has been specially encapsulated and lubricated for temperature and humidity
extremes.  You should turn the electronics off, by setting the shutter 
to a mechanical speed, 1/60 or B, when storing the camera, lest the 
battery run down.  The 4T is well known as a battery hog, but it's quite 
accurate.  

Stan   i.e. Stan Orrell    sorrell@triton.unm.edu  
Artificial intelligence appears to be our only hope. 

Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: dan@research.nj.nec.com (Dan Ruderman)
Subject: Cambridge - watch out!
Originator: dan@iris34.nj.nec.com
Organization: NEC Research Institute
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 22:35:29 GMT

	Unfortunately I must agree with the unkind words spoken here
	regarding Cambridge Camera.  I wanted to buy an expensive 
	Mamiya lens so I shopped through Shutterbug for it.  Cambridge
	had it for lower than everyone else, who were at list price.

	I had done the paperwork to place an order thru my company
	and sent it off.  I happened to speak with someone at Mamiya
	about other things when he asked about where I was purchasing
	my lens.  He quickly informed me that much of what they sell
	is actually demonstrator merchandise.  That is, used and
	not guaranteed.  A call to Cambridge verified this.
	I then chased down my purchase order and tore it up.

	Note that in the fine print of their ad they say that everything
	in the following section is either used or demonstrator.  All
	else in the ad is new.  Not true.  The lens they advertised
	in the "new" section revealed itself to be used when I phoned
	them.


	I assume there is some way to get something worthwhile out of
	those guys -- they've been around too long to simply be
	crooks.  Any suggestions?



	Dan
From: yoshi@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil (D M Yoshikami)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Mood question
Summary: Beware of whose picture you take
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:03:00 GMT
Organization: National Naval Medical Center

In article <1992Apr1.221008.4431@kodak.kodak.com> barnick@ultra.Kodak.COM (William M Barnick x73638) writes:
>Lets see ... then there is always the "red light" districts.  I shot some
>good images in San Francisco,  but I forgot filtering.  Images were too RED.
>I thing you get the idea of the mood there.

You've got to be careful about shooting red-light districts.  Some of those
areas have some rather "unsavoury" people who, because they don't want to be
seen or have any record of their whereabouts or activities, may try to destroy
you, your camera, or both.   There's always a good possibility of
accidentally taking a picture of someone who is afoul of the law, who may 
mistake you for an undercover detective.... which can be fatal!  One of my
friends likes to shoot pictures of homeless people, but there again, many of
them do NOT like their picture taken either.  She's resorted to driving around
in an automobile, snapping their picture [from within the car], and driving away
.... and usually they don't notice that their picture has been taken.  If you
do ask them if you can take their picture, they'll often ask for some amount
of money.  

If you do some shooting from a car, take about the fastest film that you can
get away with (grain notwithstanding).  Since you're going to snap someone's
photo (candidly), and then drive away as fast as you can, you're not going to
have time to do nothing more than focus, shoot, drop the camera in your 
lap, and floor the pedal.  Even better -- get a friend to drive; you'll run
a bigger risk of rear-ending someone if you're trying to shoot a picture and
drive at the same time.

One other mood idea which you can get away with if you're careful:  load your
camera with infrared film and then shoot pictures of movie theater audiences.
What kind of movie will work is best left to the photgrapher's imagination!! :-)

DY 

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From: paulf@smaug.hacks.arizona.edu (Paul Frankenstein, Bs.D.)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Wide-angle lenses
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:29:54 GMT
Reply-To: paulf@smaug.hacks.arizona.edu
Distribution: world,local
Organization: x=x^2+C
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4

Hello again...

I'm in the market for a 28mm lens for my K1000, and I wonder if anyone had
any comments on pros and cons of various lenses?

-----
paulf@hacks.arizona.edu
paulf%hacks.decnet@telcom.arizona.edu
To sit in solitude, to think in solitude with only the music of the stream and
the cedar to break the flow of silence, here lies the value of wilderness.
						-- John Muir
From: ajayshah@alnitak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: B&H: Please help!
Date: 13 Apr 1992 23:39:27 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alnitak.usc.edu

jchen@flash.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) writes:

>In article <1992Apr13.231251.25547@a.cs.okstate.edu> ong@a.cs.okstate.edu (ONG ENG TENG) writes:

>BTW, I recently ordered a Sigma 70-210 APO. But I am rather dissappointed 
>in finding out that they shipped me one without the "Zen" finish. I will
>see if I can get this problem corrected.

Could you explain this a bit more?
I just got a Sigma 28-70 lens and didn't notice the word Zen anywhere.
I'm planning to get the 70-210 APO too.
(All this is for Nikon AF).

        -ans.
-- 

Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@usc.edu
From: ricardog@hls.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo,ba.wanted
Subject: Wanted: Cannon body A1 or AE also wideangle lens
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:41:53 GMT

W A N T E D

ONE BODY: Cannon A-1 or AE (prefer A-1)

Must be in good working order, cosmetics are secondary.
I've got an A-1 but I want to carry two types of film with me
while on vacation in Maui.

Also wanted, wide angle to fit the A-1 (zoom OK)

email here or call Ricardo H (408)280-5657  W (415)966-7971
thanks
From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: air travel with tripod
Keywords: travel tripod
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:58:52 GMT
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service


Although most of the photography that I do could be described as
"journalistic" there are still lots of times when a tripod is useful.
When I travel by car, it's no problem to carry along a couple of
tripods, lightstands, etc. -- just in case they might be needed.
Air travel, however, is another story.

In addition to being limited to what I can carry at one time, I've
also run into the problem of having a tripod -- even in a moderately
well padded case -- sustain damage when being taken as checked 
baggage.  And, I'm talking about good quality tripods -- Bogen --
here.

Yes, I know it's possible to get rigid cases, but in addition to being
ugly, these things are usually heavy and large.

So, what do those of you who use a tripod do when you travel by air?
Do you take the tripod on the plane with you?  (If so, do you ever
have any problems with airport security?)

I've considered this but usually already end up with two items to
take on board -- my LowePro bag with cameras and lenses and a small
bag with personal items, which usually includes a portable computer
for writing.

I'm currently trying to consider my options for a trip to the west
coast in June on which I'd like to take along at least my smaller
tripod, but yet don't want to load myself down too much.

Any thoughts or experiences?  Thanks -- Ernest

-- 

"My other computer is a Nikon N8008." -- Ernest H. Robl
Ernest H. Robl (ehr@ecsvax)  Durham, NC, USA   +1  919   286-3845
                                         FAX:  +1  919   286-1696
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: ptc@b15.b15.ingr.com (Paul Carter)
Subject: Need Camera Recomendation-Electronic shutter release
Organization: Intergraph, Huntsville AL
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 14:42:05 GMT

I'm looking for recomendations for a 35mm camera. I've never really used
the "point and shoot" variety before (I've about worn out an F3), but for
this project, I think I'm going to go that route. 

I've come up with a way to trip a shutter via radio signals. I'm going to
but my camera in some pretty precarious positions ( On a kite, or hangglider),
and my F3 is just too expensive and heavy (with motor drive) to be practical
for these applications. Here is the features I'm looking for in a "point
and shoot". If you have a "favorite" that meets some, or all of these criteria,
drop me some EMAIL. I will summarize if there is a demand.

    1) I need to trigger the shutter electronically. (Closing of a relay)
       I'm not real confident about monkeying around with the inards of
       a camera (i.e., drilling a hole and running wires) because it may
       not be "light tight" after I get through. I'd prefer this feature
       exist off the shelf, but will take suggestions if somebody knows a
       good way to modify a camera.

    2) Automatic film advance after each shot. I am triggering the camera
       remotely.

    3) Good quality photo's. (I'm spoiled by the F3 and nikon lenses!) 
       I want a "point and shoot", but MORE than an instamatic. I can spend
       up to $400.00 US for this camera.

    4) Field of view being somewhere in the range of 28mm-75mm ...prefering
       more towards the wider field of view, but will settle for > 50 mm.

    5) Waterproof or "splashproof". (Least important feature-desirable, but
       not manditory).

    6) Autofocus (desirable but not manditory). Also if autofocus exists, I
       would like the abiltiy to overide it.

    7) Shutter priority automatic aperature settings. I'm triggering this
       remotely, so I can't set the aperature every shot. I'd like some
       control over the shutter speed (desired but not manditory- but
       automatic exposure control is manditory).
       

Thanks

Paul
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From: andyc@hplsla.hp.com (Andy Cassino)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:16:55 GMT
Subject: Re: 4 x 5 camera help
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA