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From: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Adventures in the 1800s
Date: 7 Jan 1993 08:57:18 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Reply-To: keeper@deeptht.armory.com
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While there may be some brief scenes in the period, the stories which
have major scenes in the 19th century are:

The Gunfighters  (1881)
The Evil of the Daleks  (1866)
The Talons of Weng-Chiang  (1889)
Mark of the Rani  (1900)
Timelash  (1885)
Ghost Light  (I don't recall the precise year, and my information stretches
              only to series 25, but it's definitely in the 1800s, since it
              apparently is in Darwin's lifetime -- 1809-1882)

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From: dafer@owlnet.rice.edu (Daryl Anderson Foster)
Subject: Is chanel 8 still showing Dr. Who?
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: houston
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:52:24 GMT

I noticed that Doctor Who will not be on this week and I was wondering
if anyone knows if chanel 8 will continue to show it.
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From: glazier@isr.harvard.edu (Andrew Baker Glazier)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Who Books For Sale
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:47:54 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

All are paperbacks.
No reasonable offer refused.

     Label     Title                         Condition
                                        Mint = M
                                        Near Mint= NM
                                        OK = Cosmetic Damage
               Dalek Invasion Of Earth       M
               Dominators                    NM   
               Marco Polo                    NM
               Mysterious Planet             NM
               Myth Makers                   NM
               Planet Of Fire                OK
               Terror Of The Autons          NM
               The Twin Dilemma              OK
               The Aztecs                    M
               The Zarbi                     M
               The Daleks                    OK
               The Mark Of The Rani          NM
               Unearthly Child               NM
Pinnacle       Android Invasion              OK 1nd & 2ndprinting
               Dinosaur Invasion             OK
               Doomsday Terror               OK
               Genesis Of The Daleks         OK
               Loch Ness Monster             NM
               Masque of Mandragora          OK
               Day Of The Daleks             M
               Revenge Of The Cybermen       OK
               Seeds Of Doom                 NM
               Talons Of Weng Chiang         NM
Ballantine
Find Your Fate Race Against Time             M
FASA           
Solo Play      Dr W:  Vortex Crystal(4rth dr)     NM
               Dr W: Rebel's Gamble  (6th dr)     OK      

Target         2nd Dr W Quiz Book            M
               Harry Sullivan's War

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From: pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl (Phil Isherwood)
Subject: Re: UK-GOLD Agenda
Reply-To: pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl
Organization: ESA/Estec/WMS, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:45:54 GMT

In article 3351@ucl-cs.uucp, G.Roberts@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Graham Roberts) writes:
>
>The big surprise for next week is that UK Gold will show The Genesis
>of the Daleks (according to both the Radio & TV Times). This will mean
>a jump to the Tom Baker era and the showing of a Dalek story.
>
>Graham
>G.Roberts@uk.ac.ucl.cs
>
Wrong. Genesis is to be shown on BBC2 in the Friday evening slot, following
on from The Daemons shown late last year. As far as I know, UK Gold is to 
continue showing the oldies (for the time being at least).

Happy New Year to on and all,

Phil Isherwood
pisherwo@wm.estec.esa.nl





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From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: The Valeyard-regeneration or incarnation
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:28:24 GMT

The title was too long in the first posting so here it is again.
There is some problem on understanding the Valeyard and I have found its source
In the first American Telecast the Master says in Ultimate Foe "The Valeyard 
is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your 
twelfth and final regeneration." {A friend's VCR and my own Audio recording
conferm the REGENERATION as does the 1989 American printing of both 
Ultimate Foe and the Doctor Who Programme Guide (Page 165)}
NOW here is where it gets messy.  My friend has two recordings of
Ultimate Foe; the reason is because he was missing some sceens due to
eratic starting times and kept the old version in case he messed up again.
The result he discovered that there are TWO versions of Ultimate Foe.  In
the later version the Master says "The Valeyard is an amalgamation of the
darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final 
incarnation."

So WHICH video version is Canon?  My program guide and book version of the
show say the first version is, but you are all sighting the second version.
Comments and solutions are welcome.
The Doctor Who Programme Guide is (C) 1989 and ISBN 0-426-20342-9
My Ultimate Foe cover is gone so I don't know what its ISBM number is.
From: Doug_Lewis@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Doug Lewis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Dark side of the Doctor
Distribution: world
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:00:00 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.


 RS> Am I right in thinking that the old Doc's turning into a bit of an
 RS> evil
 RS> blokie in the New Adventures. I certainly think so. Still, look what
 RS> happened to Borusa after his regenerations.

 RS> Happy Halibut VII

Well, if you had seen the Trial of a Time Lord series, you would know that
the Doctor, around his 12th regeneration, is a very evil person. However.
it could just be schizophrenia from an unstable regeneration. After all,
that's what was wrong with Borusa.

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From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: Re: The Valeyard's TRUE goals
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 14:28:34 GMT

ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes
>The basic fault is your premise.  You say the Master said "between 12th
>and final regeneration."  This is incorrect.  He really said "somewhere
>between your twelfth and final *incarnation*."
So sorry, but I checked my audio recording and a friends VRC recording of
Ultimate foe and it IS REGENERATION. Also on pg 165 of Doctor Who  The
Programme Guide it says "The Valeyard is exposed as the amalgamation of
the Doctor's darker side, between his twelfth and final regeneration"
{There is a rumor of a different sound track for later releaces.
What's the book version of Ultimate foe say?}

>Additionally, I don't see why you think the Valeyard stole the Keeper's
>body at the end of "Foe."  He still looks like he did before.  If he had
>stolen the body of the Keeper, he should look like the Keeper, as the
>Master looked like Tremas at the end of "Keeper of Traken."  (lots of
>Keepers about in this aren't there?)  
>All the Valeyard did at the end of "Foe" was to knock out or kill the real
>Keeper, hide the body, and nick his clothes as a simple disguise.
This is because they used the same actor for both the Keeper of Traken
and the Master.  In Ultimate Foe the last sceen is so quick and the credits
for the 'Keeper of the Matrix' is James Bree so Michael Jayston is used
instead of James Bree being made up to look like the Valeyard for dramatic
effect.
Back to the Master's 13th regeneration.   In Keeper of Traken the Master
transforms the body he grabs from a white haired fully bearded man to
a blacked haired man that is very like his last incarnation. So
WHY could NOT the Doctor's possesion of the Keeper of the Matrix have
the same result? If this is a result of pulling off the non-leathal
13th regeneration then the Valeyard's threat can also be seen as a
misdirection so no one will look at the Keeper of the Matrix until the
Valeyard has time to put his new body through another regeneration and
change his appearence. That seems to cover everything.
From: gt7529d@prism.gatech.EDU (Belgarion of Riva, Overlord of the West)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Looking for _Most Annoying War_
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:40:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I caught 2 parts of _The Most Annoying War_ and really enjoyed it. But that
was almost 2 months ago and I haven't been able to find any others. Could
someone please e-mail me as complete a copy as possible? Thanks!

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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: Re: Christmas DW Goodies
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:03:52 GMT

paige@csri.toronto.edu (The Woodsman) wrote:
>   Well, Christmas has come and gone and we're all slowly regaining consciousness. Santa 
> dropped several assorted DW paraphenalia in my stocking, and I thought I'd briefly describe
> my thoughts about these trinkets, so as to possibly save (or cause you to spend!) money.

You mean you didn't get (or even ask for) they 90-column-to-80-column Doctor
Who conversion software!?!? 8-)

Tom
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Dalek can climb
Date: 12 Jan 93 03:27:56 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <domalley.726699985@unix1.tcd.ie> domalley@unix1.tcd.ie (Slartibartfast            (alias Daniel O'Malley)) writes:
>In <x=_3pmn@rpi.edu> danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
>>|> In article <alien.0224@acheron.amigans.gen.nz>, alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes:

>>|> >>       How many scenes like that have in Who have made such a
>>|> >>lasting impression on you?

>>For sheer "neet" value, how about the opening to the Trial? 

>>Probably blew their entire budget on that one...

They DID.  They shot the space station effects scenes when they thought they
were getting the same budget for 14 half-hour episodes as 13 hour-long ones.
Once Michael Grade told them otherwise, JNT and company probably wet their
pants trying to figure out how to make the rest of the season under budget.
:-)

>And from the credits for that story, I saw Peter Wragg was down for special
>effects - he's the chappie mainly responsible for the high-quality
>model stuff in 'Red Dwarf'... Didn't that scene from 'Trial" seem just
>a little reminiscent of RD? Just a thought...

It seemed a little bit reminiscent of bloody Star Wars, that's what it did.
Love to see Deep Space Nine try a shot like that one...
From: cwa@oasis.icl.co.uk (Chris Adams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Doctor Who Script...
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:38:51 GMT
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RE: space cops and the like

Has anyone stateside seen the british series "Star cops"? Dispite the name, it
was really good series (IMHO), there was no running-around-zapping-the-bad-guys
type of thing, it was more a real detective series set in space, rather than
a SCI FI program with a bit of detective story thrown in.

I don't think it went down to well here, but the BBC have just released some of
them on video (along with some of Red Dwarf, and Blakes 7)

Well worth a look.

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From: ensalada@cats.ucsc.edu (Kevin Charles Rubio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Leena
Date: 5 Jan 1993 06:04:18 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: keeper@deeptht.armory.com
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Her name is "Leela" and she is a human from the very far future, though
not from Earth.  She is descended from a Survey Team (she calls her tribe
`Sevateem') which was stranded on a planet.  After the Doctor's unseen
visit and mistake, the Survey Team and the Technicians (the `Tesh' later
they ended up calling themselves) were set at odds with one another by
the confused computer.

The year where Leela comes from is not known, as far as I can tell, but
even in `The Invisible Enemy', which takes place in the year 5000-something,
the Doctor makes a comment about what Leela's ancestors were doing at
that point in history.

The Doctor's first visit to Leela's home planet (visit is unseen, but
mentioned in `The Face of Evil') takes place, I think, somewhere around
A.D. 2200, so it's clear that it was quite a long time between then
and Leela's time.

(I referred to a reference list to get the year 2200, so can't say that
 I've actually heard that year said.  I do remember a 5000-something year
 mentioned in `The Invisible Enemy' in the first few scenes, as well as
 a 3000-something year mentioned in it when talking about cloning.)

But anyway, apparently we've got more than three thousand years between the
Survey Team and the Sevateem.

However, perhaps the 2200 date is way off, and in fact the 5000-something
year -- which is, the Doctor says, when humans began leaving the Solar
system -- is when Leela's ancestors began their journey ... so Leela
comes from years ahead farther still.

All you need to know is that she's a far-future, no-tech human.

Whew.


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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: cheap videos from CBS/Fox...?
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:13:56 GMT

I just got my monthly catalog from QPB (Quality Paperback Books). They also
offer audio and video. They've offered Doctor Who before for $19.95. This
month lists Shada, Caves of A., Pertwee Years, and Tomb for $14.95 each. Has
anyone seen Who videos for this much? Unfortunately (?), I already have them
all. I can't imagine that shipping would be $5 so it should still be cheaper
than $19.95 + tax.

Tom
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From: jhildebr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Subject: Re: Friday Night Review- "Warhead" !SPOILERS!
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 05:53:47 GMT

Oh boy, I get to be a grouch. :)

	Uh Steven, how much cyberpunk have you read? At a guess you probably
haven't read that much, right? Because Warhead seemed to be using all of
the overused cyberpunk cliches and having seen them done in much better novels
I was very turned off by Warhead and in fact could not finish it. I've
forgotten the details of the book so I can't be more specific about what
bothered me.

	Ah well, part of my discontent may be that I never felt like
cyberpunk went all that well with Doctor Who. Actually it could have been
done rather well with Ace as a companion, but it would have to go beyond the
usual cyberpunk cliches and go a little deeper into some of the motivations
that were behind the beginning of the cyberpunk movement. (If anyone wants
me to explain this, e-mail me, I don't want to write it up if no one's
interested.)

-Jeff
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Valeyard-regeneration or incarnation WAS Re: The Valeyard's 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 05:24:43 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:

- There is some problem on understanding the Valeyard and I have found its sour
- In the first American Telecast the Master says in Ultimate Foe "The Valeyard
- is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your
- twelfth and final regeneration." {A friend's VCR and my own Audio recording
- conferm the REGENERATION as does the 1989 American printing of both
- Ultimate Foe and the Doctor Who Programme Guide (Page 165)}
- NOW here is where it gets messy.  My friend has two recordings of
- Ultimate Foe; the reason is because he was missing some sceens due to
- eratic starting times and kept the old version in case he messed up again.
- The result he discovered that there are TWO versions of Ultimate Foe.  In
- the later version the Master says "The Valeyard is an amalgamation of the
- darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final
- incarnation."
-
- So WHICH video version is Canon?  My program guide and book version of the
- show say the first version is, but you are all sighting the second version.
- Comments and solutions are welcome.
- The Doctor Who Programme Guide is (C) 1989 and ISBN 0-426-20342-9
- My Ultimate Foe cover is gone so I don't know what its ISBM number is.

The ORIGINAL BBC version USES the word incarnation, and that is canon.
In fact, I did manage to BBC my ToaTl.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
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From: lizb@banyan.com
Subject: Re: Doctor Who - the cancellation
Organization: Banyan Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:44:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.164347@cogs.sussex.ac.uk> richs@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Richard Salter) writes:
>
>Anyway, why wasn't this done when interest was waning after Syl's last
>series? Ratings were seriously down from the Pertwee/T. Baker years and
>didn't compare favourably to Davison's either. Why just a cancellation? 

Actually, I thought the ratings for seasons 25-26 were actually *up*
over recent years...don't remember where I picked up this bit of info,
though, so I could be wrong.

Liz
lizb@banyan.com

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From: paige@csri.toronto.edu (The Woodsman)
Subject: Re: The New Adventures (again - you probably think I'm obsessed!)
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 8 Jan 93 23:55:54 GMT

   I'm afraid I'd have to agree with several of the comments
 regarding N.A. novels not reading like Doctor Who. Then again,
 is that bad?

   For starters, we have to consider "What is Doctor Who?" Throughout
 the series the one constant has been the Doctor, through varying
 stages of enigmaticness(y) (is that a word?? :) ). I didn't particularly
 mind the revelation that the Doctor was a "Time Lord" way back at the
 end of the 60's, nor did I mind all the stuff about Gallifrey and
 the Doctor's past. The point is, I think, that the Doctor's character
 keeps on developing and changing. However, the authors of the New
 Adventures had better be careful not to refute anything that has
 occurred in the past. If they do, they'd *better* be able to explain
 themselves carefully.

   One of the problems I had with the entire Sylvester McCoy era was
 Andrew Cartmel's apparent re-writing of the Doctor's past. Making him
 enigmatic was one thing. Hell, Hartnell was enigmatic as the Doctor!
 Making him into a mysterious "demi-god" who's true purpose and morals
 are unknown and unmotivated I find rather irritating and discards much
 of the series philosophy that preceded. I'm sure Cartmel truly wanted
 to make the series mysterious again, something that it had lost in
 recent years. However I think he went a wee bit overboard. And I think
 many of the New Adventure authors are doing that, too. Witness the Doctor
 in the 4th Timewyrm book, trotting through time putting things here or
 there and generally "...setting things to right" (can't remember exactly
 how Cornell put it). Anyway, while I've enjoyed most of the N.A. books,
 I feel that in some of them (Cornell's 2, most of Cat's Cradle, and
 Nightshade) have veered a tad away from the original DW theme.

   On the other hand, Genesys, Exodus, and (in my opinion), Witch Mark
 were all fairly close to previous DW stuff, and in the case of Exodus,
 right on the mark.

   Flame away.

		The Woodsman. 
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From: abaddon@camelot.bradley.edu (Lawrence McAlpin)
Subject: Re: The Valeyard's TRUE goals (Rewrite)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: na
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:11:23 GMT


Okay, if the Valeyard is the Doctor's "14th incarnation" as you
stated, then why did he say he wanted to be a "total entity" free
from the Doctor's goodness?

The fact that the Master said that the Valeyard was an "amalgamation of
the Doctor's darker side" was probably meant to mean that the Valeyard
was a physical manifestation of all the evil that the Doctor has ever
thought of up until his final incarnation.

That would mean the Valeyard isn't actually a future incarnation of the
Doctor.  This physical manifestation was of the Doctor, and could be
considered the Doctor, but the Doctor wasn't actually going to turn into
him.

Sort of like Cho-Je in "Planet of the Spiders" was just a physical
manifestation of K'anpo's thoughts.  Or also like the Watcher.  The
Watcher was a sort of between stage between the Doctor's fourth incarnation
and his fifth, and acted as a separate entity during "Logopolis".  

And it wasn't "regeneration" it was "incarnation".  I watched it.  I
know what I heard.  A friend of mine watched it and agreed.  So the
Programme Guide says differently.  Who cares?  It's wrong.

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