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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 09:11:22 EDT
Comments:     Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X
From:         Ken Farrar Computer Systems Manager <FARRARK@VTVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      SoftDesk

From: Ken Farrar   Computer Systems Manager
                  Facilities Planning and Construction; VA Tech
                  Phone: (703) 231-6449  Fax: (703) 231-9345

I believe SoftDesk is the company which was once known as DCA Engineering.

Have a nice day!
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: kelson@engin.umich.edu (David Lewis)
Subject: Batch plotting
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 19:57:33 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor



  Does anyone have a routine or know where I can get a routine to do
batch plotting.  I was thinking about writing my own... by either
xrefing drawings and plotting them out and deleteing them... or
if there was a way to make autocad go directly into a drawing bypassing
the main menu..

-- 

Internet: Kelson@ais.org
Xref: sparky alt.cad.autocad:500 comp.lang.lisp:1345
From: simon@lia.di.epfl.ch (Simon Leinen)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad,comp.lang.lisp
Subject: Re: Autolisp from Autocad
Date: 2 Apr 92 07:54:02 GMT
	<TED.92Apr1125557@lole.nmsu.edu>
Followup-To: alt.cad.autocad
Distribution: usa
Organization: DI-LIA -- Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
In-reply-to: ted@nmsu.edu's message of 1 Apr 92 19:55:57 GMT
X-Md4-Signature: e0d0c071bbdbf37dc0f1444bc1b00743

In article <TED.92Apr1125557@lole.nmsu.edu> ted@nmsu.edu (Ted Dunning) writes:

   i have heard that AutoLisp was supposed to have been based on
   scheme.  it so, they are still a _long_ way short.

I've heard it was derived from David Betz' Xlisp.  They seem to have
taken out a lot of features to make it work within the (640K-AutoCAD)
bounds.

If you read existing Autolisp code, it often looks like parenthesized
FORTRAN statements in prefix notation, with SETQ replaced for "=".
Autolisp doesn't even have the "let" macro (although ((lambda
(...)...)...) works -- wonder why nobody uses that :-).

The nice thing about this is that there is a greater incentive for
application developers to port their Autolisp code to C; not only will
it run faster, it may also look cleaner, which would not maybe be the
case if Autolisp resembled CL or Scheme.

(We use ADS and sockets to communicate between AutoCAD and Common
Lisp, but that's not very pretty either)-;
-- 
Simon Leinen.
Laboratoire d'Intelligence Artificielle
Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: ah395@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey T. Hansen)
Subject: Real World CAD
Reply-To: ah395@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey T. Hansen)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 13:00:31 GMT


While each CAD system has its strong points and its weak points,
out here in the real world, we have a CAD system, and we have to
deal with that particular system in our day to day tasks.  While
it would be wonderful to have ARRIS for our architectural drafting
and AutoCAD to send our drawings to our consultants, and some
other program to do Facilities Management, our companies have
made a significant investment in machines and training on a particular
software package, and our database is specific to that software.

So we have a place on the net to post our particular problems
with our particular software, where we can get particular answers
and get on with the business of drawing, designing or what have you
for profit.  

Getting into a flame-fest on which software is more suited for which
task is not productive, even if CADKEY printed dollar bills on my laser
jet, it wouldn't solve my business' problems, since we don't have
CADKEY, and aren't going to throw away 4 years of time invested in
AutoCAD.  I'm sure for some people, it's the finest CAD software ever
invented, but I sure don't want to read about it in alt.cad.autocad.

Just my humble opinion, friends ...

-- 
ah395@cleveland.freenet.edu
Jeffrey T. Hansen
Not affiliated with Case Western Reserve University
From: moisande@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: No.....
Date: 7 Apr 92 06:05:40 GMT
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.

> In article <1992Apr5.033841.13089@wpi.WPI.EDU> cfurlong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Cosme Furlong Vazquez) writes:
>>It seems that there're lots of problems using autocad (really
>>infriendly).
--
>>              Why don't you use a real CAD software...CADKEY 4.0 
>>and soon 5.0 you'll notice the difference...
--
> I'm sure all our problems will go away if we use Cadkey.  It'll
> probably even wash our dishes.  

        I have two daughters, does it help also with teenagers ?

                                                        jouko
From: drake@Autodesk.COM (Dan Drake)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: new Autodesk CEO
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:25:12 GMT
Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA

lee@gargar.wrc.xerox.com (Lee Moore) writes:
> Yesterday's Wall Street Journal reported that Autodesk has hired Carol
> Bartz away from Sun Microsystems to be come the new chief executive
> officer and chairwoman.  

Sidelight: The official title will be chairman.  She was asked whether
it was to be chair, chairman, or chairwoman, or what, and this was her
choice.

Today's epigram for Autodesk: Hours before I learned the new title, I
heard some pieces from the Messiah played in celebration of its 250th
birthday.  The performance was by misguided folks who think that
"authentic" means "thin and jerky", and the Hallelujah Chorus had a
boys' choir doing the high parts.  Sorry, that just doesn't make it, no
matter what forces Handel was using; whence the saying

Never send a boy on a woman's errand.

Cheers.

--
Dan Drake
drake@Autodesk.com
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: cfurlong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Cosme Furlong Vazquez)
Subject: ???
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:03:48 GMT


||> In article <1992Apr5.033841.13089@wpi.WPI.EDU> cfurlong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Cosme Furlong Vazquez) writes:
||>>It seems that there're lots of problems using autocad (really
||>>infriendly).
--
||>>              Why don't you use a real CAD software...CADKEY 4.0 
||>>and soon 5.0 you'll notice the difference...
--
|> I'm sure all our problems will go away if we use Cadkey.  It'll
|> probably even wash our dishes.  
|
|        I have two daughters, does it help also with teenagers ?
|
|                                                        jouko
	Good thought!!!!, you can teach them acad...
you know, they will learn to make just beutiful pictures...while 
professionals use a real CAD system!!. 
High schools should have acad in their PC's.

Cosme


-- 

Cosme Furlong.
***************************
cfurlong@wpi.wpi.edu
From: ab0kfc@gdt.bath.ac.uk (K F Chow)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: BMS survey
Date: 12 Apr 92 20:35:08 GMT
Organization: School of Architecture, University of Bath, UK

If you are an undergradate of Architecture or Building 
engineering you may like to do a questionnaire via email.
The subject is : "Building Management Systems". This 
questionnaire is being done by your counterparts at USA,
CAN, & UK. Comparison will be made between you and them.

If you know nothing about BMS but you know some others may 
do, please pass on the message.

-------------------------------------------------------------
K.F CHOW                      email : ab0kfc@uk.ac.bath.sl1
School of Architecture &              ab0kfc@uk.ac.bath.gdt
Building Engineering,
Bath University, UK
-------------------------------------------------------------
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 03:27:36 -0500
From:         johns@CS.UMR.EDU
Subject: Re: 3D Studio Question
X-To:         AUTOCAD%OHSTVMA.bitnet@UMRVMA.umr.edu

Hi there :-)
I've been using 3D-Studio for making videotapes for our solar car team,
and one of the things I had wondered was wether they have it on anything
other than the IBM compatible platform.  I think it would be truly
awesome on an IBM RS/6000 or HP 9000/700 unix box...

I too would be interested in finding out if they have a newer version
as I would definitely want any new features or performance enhancements...

I must say, it is one of the nicest programs of it's sort that I have
ever used, on ANY platform.

Later,
        John E. Stone
        johns@cs.umr.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:53:13 PDT
From:         "David G. Booth" <COM2BOOT@UCSBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Polyline selection set

I was wondering if there is a .lsp routine or something similar
that will change a selection set consisting of lines into
polylines. For example, when using pedit, if the line selected is
not a polyline, you are then prompted "do you want to turn it into
one?" at which point I respond yes. What I want to be able to do
is pick a whole set of lines and turn them into polylines in one
simple command. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

David Booth
Communications Services Department
University of California, Santa Barbara, California

com2boot@ucsbvm.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: cfurlong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Cosme Furlong Vazquez)
Subject: RE: discourse..
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:32:49 GMT

>Hi there: (I did not want to reply) but I don't agreed with
>the person that said that .."is not professional" what I posted
>before. Sorry, but critics are always necessary, if you are
>looking for the true. Don't you guys think so?

>>..intelligent, informed and constructive criticism will always be an
>>essential ingredient of professional discourse...indiscriminately
>>exposing people to whatever half-baked, ill-formed perceptions
>>which happen to be floating in your stream of consciousness
>>simply wastes our time because it contributes nothing...
>>

Mr.Peter,

I did not want to hurt you, and I apologize for that, however I
have the impression that you've been using acad for a while and
don't want to accept that better algorithms in pc based CAD 
systems are in other brands.(Notice: PC based). I think you should 
accept that your favorite cad software has lots of deficiencies. 
Do you know what's the problem in software based in 2-d data based?, 
sorry, do you know what's a 2-d based CAD system?. Do you know for 
how long has acad been out in the market?, now, do you know for how 
long has CK been aut there?. If you know the answer to these 
questions then you'll realize that CK has had faster evolution, 
and do you know why?, because its 3-D data base mainly!!!, which 
promises even more evolution!!!.
Why do you think there are lots of problems either, customizing it
installing it or using it???. Have you ever installed acad?, or you 
have somebody else to do it?

Do you have something to say about it?. 

I accept any ..."intelligent, informed and constructive criticism..."
no insults. Please post your comments in this group.


>>cheers,
>>Peter
>>

Do you have time to reply?

More Cheers!!


Cosme Furlong
cfurlong@wpi.wpi

--------------------------------------
These are my opinions and not of the 
institution I work for.
--------------------------------------
-- 

Cosme Furlong.
***************************
cfurlong@wpi.wpi.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: sharok@ee.ualberta.ca (S. Sharoki)
Subject: Versatec Plotter drivers
Organization: EE/CE Department Univ of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:23:19 GMT

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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:09:00 EDT
From:         Robert Whitehead <SSABBW@MVS.SAS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Getting most out of 486 ??
X-To:         AUTOCAD Autocad Discussion List
              <AUTOCAD%OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU@UNX.SAS.COM>

>
> I have a friend who wants to get the most out of his 486, running autocad.
> He has a fast 486, 4Meg extra memory, MS-DOS 5.0, QEMM386, and a fairly
> fast hard disk. Can anyone suggest how he can configure this system best ?
>
> What he needs is information on how to set up his autoexec.bat and config.sys.
> It doesn't matter if all the extra memory is grabbed by whatever is set up
> - he only wants to use the machine for autocad.
>
> Any suggestions ?

With the proliferation of larger systems for some of my AutoCAD clients
I also would appreciate any information in this area.

Regards
Bob Whitehead - AUS (SSABBW@MVS.SAS.COM)
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 08:43:04 PDT
From:         "David G. Booth" <COM2BOOT@UCSBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Thanksto Benjamin Olasov

Ben, thanks for that very helpful polyline selection .lsp file. It
worked great, although I still have trouble deciphering what the specific
lines of code are actually doing. I must do some more reading in this
area, because simple routines like this make working in Autocad
infinitely easier. Again, thanks-I wish more people would post questions
on this board which reflect actual problems and solutions concerning
Autocad. Yourself, Dan Drake, and Peter Clark represent the best professionals
this service has to offer, keep up the good work, we need more people
like you here.

David Booth
University of California, Santa Barbara

com2boot@ucsbvm.bitnet
From: johnr@dhump.mil.wi.us (John Raffensperger Jr.)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: No.....
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:31:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: dhump.1992Apr7.003143.2643
Organization: Nubeat Communications

cfurlong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Cosme Furlong Vazquez) writes:
: 
: ------------------------------------------------------
: This is the first time I take a look at this newsgroup....
: It seems that there're lots of problems using autocad (really
: infriendly). Why don't you use a real CAD software...CADKEY 4.0 
: and soon 5.0 you'll notice the difference...
: 
: Later,
: 
: Cosme Furlong
: cfurlong@wpi.wpi.edu
: 

A couple of thoughts:

A flame like the above doesn't do CADKEY, yourself or your institution a
whole lot of good.

This group has been prety good about NOT getting intp my system is
better than yours type of arguments, let's keep it that way.

Some cunstructive comments on how CADKEY is different than AutoCAD may
have a place here, but not unsupported babbleings (like a brook).

In general, newsgroups are where you put forth your problems, and
ask for solutions.  Not a whole lot of people are going to take the  time
and effort to write and post about when things work good.

Many of the people in this news group are new users and have questions
and problems any new user without support from his dealer is goint to
have.  Many others are "pushing the edge" of traditional uses for CAD.
(i.e. conversions to other formats for multi-media etc.) 

Any software that does anything appreciable inherently will have some
problems (unless it is very specific to a single task).  This is because
along the design and engineering path compromises have to be made.  Some
of these compromises will help some people and hurt others.

Judging by sales numbers, Autodesk has been making appropriate choices on
those compromises.


Lets keep this group at least sorta kinda professional.


John W. Raffensperger, Jr.
johnr@dhump.mil.wi.us
From: "joe labonte" <joe.labonte@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: autolsip compiler
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:16:35 EST
Reply-To: "joe labonte" <joe.labonte@canrem.com>
Distribution: alt
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

I'm looking for an AUTOLISP compiler.  I've looked at KELV but it seems
to be a workaround and not a true compiler.  Does anyone now of another
LSP compiler?

Joe Labonte'       Brampton
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: tima@sequent.com
Subject: Re: NeXT and AUTOCAD
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:31:49 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.230549.26546@midway.uchicago.edu> eer1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I would think that, armed with NeXT's  
>superior development environment, AutoDesk would be able to port the Unix  
>version of AutoCad in a matter of weeks.
>

Have you ever tried to port a program with any complexity? I don't think
we are the best example, but it took one programmer 3-4 months to port
our software (a CAM application) from vanilla DOS to Windows. I don't
care if the NeXT does everything including keeping your coffee warm, it
is going to take some time. 

Granted, they have ported ACAD to other UNIX boxes, so some of the headaches
have been worked out.

You must also remember that any application that has
been ported from anywhere will not necessarily have all of the things that
you expect from a program that was designed for that platform. Our initial
port to Windows was basically CAM IN A BOX(c). In otherwords it
looked exactly like the DOS version, but you could resize it. After the
marketing people (person) had a cow, we decided to spend the extra 2-3 months
putting Windows(tm) knobbies(c) all over the place. Of course all time spent
putting Windows(tm) knobbies(c) and ToolBar's(c) is time that I
could be spent adding functionality instead.  This isn't as much of a problem
for Autodesk(tm), as they have a bajillion(c) programmers. Then again, ask them
when the NURBS stuff is going to come out (hee hee!).

tima@sequent.com

PS: I really work for 'Surfware' and as usual my opinion on the net is worth
whatever an opinion on the net is worth. My views do not necessarily 
represent the views of Surfware. Place standard disclaimer here (tm)

Cam in a box (c) me
knobbies (c) me
bajillion (c) me
Windows, Toolbar (c) Microsoft, inc
ACAD, Autocad (c) Autodesk, inc
NeXT (c) NeXT inc

No warranties either expressed or implied.
Use at your own risk.
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: cfurlong@wpi.WPI.EDU (Cosme Furlong Vazquez)
Subject: No...
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:57:36 GMT


Hi there: (I did not want to reply) but I'm not agreed with
the person that said that .."is not professional" what I posted
before. Sorry but critics are always necessary, if you are 
looking for the true. Don't you guys think so?

-- 

Cosme Furlong.
***************************
cfurlong@wpi.wpi.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Wed, 1 Apr 1992 16:25:02 BST
From:         Andy Humberston <iah@LEICESTER-POLY.AC.UK>
Subject:      3D Studio Question
X-To:         AUTOCAD@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.edu

Hi.

Anybody out know what the difference between 3D-Studio 1.00 &
3D-Studio 1.01 (1_01 in 3ddisk_.mid).  Any news or rumours on
a release date for 3D-Studio 2 (or is that a silly question? :)

Cheers

--

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|                                                                   |
|  Andy Humberston, Computing Services, Leicester Polytechnic, UK   |
|  Tel: (0533) 577159  Fax: (0533) 577170  EMail: iah@uk.ac.leicp   |
|                                                                   |
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: olasov@cs.columbia.edu (Benjamin Olasov)
Subject: Re: Polyline selection set
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:10:07 GMT

In article <AUTOCAD%92041411082645@OHSTVMA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU> "David G. Booth" <COM2BOOT@UCSBVM.BITNET> writes:
>I was wondering if there is a .lsp routine or something similar
>that will change a selection set consisting of lines into
>polylines. For example, when using pedit, if the line selected is
>not a polyline, you are then prompted "do you want to turn it into
>one?" at which point I respond yes. What I want to be able to do
>is pick a whole set of lines and turn them into polylines in one
>simple command. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

This is a simple routine to write - in principle, you just get a selection
set using the (ssget) function, step through it using (ssname ss counter)
incrementing your counter as you go, and inquire whether each entity is
a line, and invoke the 'pedit' command if it is.  If not, you do nothing
and move on to the next entity, until you reach the end of the selection
set.

Check out the chapter on selection sets in the AutoLisp manual- it
makes it really straightforward to do this kind of thing (which would
otherwise be pretty time consuming).

---- cut here ----
;; File l2p.lsp
;; Converts a selection set of lines to polylines
 
(defun C:l2p (/ lns i lngth)
       (setvar "cmdecho" 0)
       (princ "\nSelect lines to be changed to polylines: ")
       (setq lns (ssget)
             i 0)
       (if lns (progn (setq lngth (sslength lns))
                       (terpri)
                       (repeat lngth
                               (setq ln (ssname lns i))
                               (if (= (cdr (assoc 0 (entget ln))) "LINE")
                                      (command "pedit" ln "Y" "X"))
                               (setq i (1+ i)))))
       (princ))
 
 
-- 
Ben Olasov		olasov@cs.columbia.edu
From: mort@dhump.mil.wi.us (Marty Wiedmeyer)
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: WFW+EXCEL+ACAD
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:25:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: dhump.1992Apr16.112531.24964
Organization: Nubeat Communications, Milwaukee, WI

BB@ORRE.SIN.NO (Boerre Bang) writes:
: > From:       K F Chow <ab0kfc%GDT.BATH.AC.UK@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
: > Subject:    WFW+EXCEL+ACAD
: 
: > Any one can tell me how to import pictures from EXCEL 3+ and
: > ACADr.10 to Words for Windows 1.1a ???
: 

	Use Hijaak to convert your drawing or DXF file into a file
	format readable by WfW.

	Your best best is to upgrade to AcadWin R11! It is extremely
	simple then....

	1) Open your drawing into acadwin and your target document
	   into WfW.

	2) In acadwin select Edit/Copy. Your cursor becomes a cross.
	   Window around the portion of your drawing you wish to
	   import to WfW. It could be the entire .dwg if you wish.

	3) Select WfW. Place your cursor at the position in the
	   document you wish to import the .DWG. (You may even have
	   centering turned on!). Select Edit/Paste and presto!

	Hope this helps.


-- 
Marty Wiedmeyer					mort@dhump.mil.wi.us
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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 08:06:09 PDT
From:         "David G. Booth" <COM2BOOT@UCSBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Polyline selection set

*** Resending note of 04/10/92 15:53
Date:     Fri, 10 Apr 92 15:53:13 PDT
From:     "David G. Booth" <COM2BOOT@UCSBVM.BITNET>
To:        <autocad@OHSTVMA.BITNET>


I was wondering if there is a .lsp routine or something similar
that will change a selection set consisting of lines into
polylines. For example, when using pedit, if the line selected is
not a polyline, you are then prompted "do you want to turn it into
one?" at which point I respond yes. What I want to be able to do
is pick a whole set of lines and turn them into polylines in one
simple command. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

David Booth
Communications Services Department
University of California, Santa Barbara, California

com2boot@ucsbvm.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad
From: holmesda@spot.Colorado.EDU (ASTAROTH)
Subject: SoftDesk
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 06:24:35 GMT

Ho there,
	I'm posting this for a friend.  I personally don't know much about
autocad, but that's okay.  I'm sure he'll understand whatever information
that I can get for him (I think).

	Anyway, he's interested in a package called SoftDesk (I think it's
made by AutoDesk).  If anyone knows where I can get a review of the package,
or has any opinions regarding it, I would be very happy if you'd take a 
second and send them to me.

						--david 

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Newsgroups: alt.cad.autocad