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From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: sci.misc
Subject: Re: Impure Mathematics;
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:05:42 -0500

In article <1992Aug28.142440.5580@schbbs.mot.com>, TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler) writes:
>>>I totally agree Suzanne! I wonder if they found it funny if the two
>>>genders would have been reversed!
>>>
>>>Beatrice
>>
>>sure, why not?  it's known as having a sense of humor.
>>
>>fred
> 
> Without belaboring the point...
> 
>      Oh look!  What a collection of mathematical puns, and put together in
>      a story.  How amusing!
> 
>      Oh, but the story portrays the assault and rape of a woman.  That's a
>      real problem, in which real people are physically and mentally scarred,
>      and from which recovery is difficult.  It has been compounded in the
> 
>>> Firstly - yes it is clever for someone to use lots of mathematical
>>> terminologies.
>>> Secondly - The subject is STILL  R A P E
>>> This problem IS SERIOUS and must never be BELITTLED!!
>>> Thirdly - what do you mean by 'most men never have to worry'
>>> What planet are you on?? EVERYBODY is potentially at risk!

	What a bunch of idiots. You all act as if this 'Impure' text
	is going to be the holy writ for a vile new empire. No
	chance. The 'PC' people are screaming about 'sensitivity'
	towards rape or whatever ... the hell with it. Deal with
	your own problems and keep the government and censorship
	out of it. What do you all expect ... 'Instant Civility'
	(as defined by the PC) ? Sorry, but it will not happen. 
	If you want to change attitudes, it will take literally
	*generations*. 

	Social and cultural issues cannot be rendered as empirical
	logical decisions. There is no 'right' way that any person
	can deviate from. If the 'Impure' author thought rape might
	be funny under some circumstances ... then he did. Tough
	shit. Who will offer proof positive that a severely predatory
	male-oriented universe is *not* the better way ? You cannot
	do it. Cultural matters are relative.

	Since this is a 'sci' newsgroup ... take it as a Darwinian
	thing ... the more children you father - by whatever means -
	the more your genes will be preserved for the future. In
	this context, 'Curly Pi' and his aggressive attitude will
	win out. Aesthetics pales against genetic survival.

	



Newsgroups: sci.misc
From: jensen@unlinfo.unl.edu (michael jensen)
Subject: Figuring odds
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:24:20 GMT

If I have eight people playing poker, and want to play seven-card 
stud, if I use two decks am I dramatically changing the odds of 
standard poker hands? Straight flushes would be slightly less likely (since 
there's a chance of card duplication in any hand), I would guess....

Is this a standard statistical puzzle that has stock answers? If so, 
I'd appreciate hearing it.

I'm going to be in this position in a week, and would enjoy showing 
the answers to the assembled septet.

Thanks--
Michael Jensen
jensen@unlinfo.unl.edu
standard disclaimers in effect
From: hcart@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: sci.misc
Subject: Block seriation
Date: 25 Aug 92 07:28:41 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


    Does anyone know of any interesting applications of block seriation
in the physical sciences?

    Hugh Cartwright
    Physical Chemistry, Oxford.
From: cadet@ace.rutgers.edu (Uniquely TiJean)
Newsgroups: sci.misc
Subject: Re: New Ending - Impure Mathematics
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:30:02 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

The endings of the two "impure mathematics" stories were 
 >original outrageous and new improved outraged...

Well, 
what did you all expect? 

It said "IMPURE".

I hope people would have better to do with their talent.
JC
Newsgroups: sci.misc
From: muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller)
Subject: Re: query
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:50:45 GMT

In article <BtJKqG.I1p@world.std.com> fhapgood@world.std.com (Fred Hapgood) writes:
>What other names does our solar system have besides 'the solar
>system'?  Our sun is called Sol and our galaxy the Milky Way,
>and presumably both have professional identifiers as well that specify
>a relationship to a class of objects of interest to astronomers.
>(Which I would also like to know; what do astronomers call 'Sol'?)
>                                                          ^^^^^^^

The Sun.


Beatrice



Newsgroups: sci.misc
From: mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Marc Roussel)
Subject: Re: Salt and soda pop
Organization: Department of Chemistry, University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:33:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.094131.1264@guvax.georgetown.edu>
cfhammer@guvax.georgetown.edu writes:
>In article <17hqh4INNsvb@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>,
>          haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) writes:
>> Why is it that adding table salt to soda pop causes foaming?  What's
>> the chemical reaction (or is it all physical)?
>
>i would imagine that crystals added to a solution supercharged with
>gas would provide a great source of cavitation nuclei (minute cracks
>from which bubbles would grow due to vapor pressure differences
>overcoming the surface tension at the gas-liquid interface).
>
>you can test this 'physical' theory by tossing sand, sugar, or
>or whatever into some soda.

     There are two possible ways to explain this phenomenon:

	  1) The increased ionic strength of the solution due to the
	     dissolving salt is making the gas less soluble.
          2) The salt is providing nucleation loci (as suggested by
	     Jim).

     If (1) were the case, this would only work with soluble substances
and the effect would depend on the rate of dissolution; if (2), any
granular solid that sinks in pop will produce the effect.  In either
case, sand is an ideal test substance (again, as Jim suggested).  I did
the experiment with sand a few years ago and got essentially the same
result as with salt.  Added to the observation that the salt doesn't
visibly dissolve in the time required for the reaction to take place, I
conclude that only (2) is important, i.e. that in this case, as in many
others, the effect is not strictly thermodynamic in origin and has a
substantial kinetic component.

				Marc R. Roussel
                                mroussel@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca
Newsgroups: sci.misc,misc.consumers
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: Edmund Scientific ???
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:39:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.194420.20271@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, wex@cs.ulowell.edu writes...
>Yes, but how many of you remeber when they were Edmund Salvage???


Oh yeah? In that case, they've come a long way, baby, considering
their yuppiefied catalog of recent years.


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From: gay@selkirk.sfu.ca (Ian D. Gay)
Newsgroups: sci.misc,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Edmund Scientific ???
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:32:20 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

klink@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.r.klinkner) writes:

>Does anybody know if Edmund Scientific still exists?  They used to be
>a supplier of miscellaneous scientific items. 

>If so, does anybody know how to get their catalog?  I have already tried
>1-800-555-1212; they are not listed.  Any telephone number or address
>would be appreciated.

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Steve Klinkner                AT&T Bell Labs                 srk@mink.att.com
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------


I have a 1992 catalog. It gives an address of 101 E. Gloucester Pike, 
Barrington, NJ 08007-1380,  phone 609-573-6250 fax 609-573-6295
Newsgroups: sci.misc
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Newsgroups: sci.misc
From: TXK025@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Eddie Chandler)
Subject: Re: Impure Mathematics
Organization: Motorola
Date: 28 Aug 1992 08:54:53 CDT

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
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From: mitchell@oac3.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Philip Mitchell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,sci.physics,sci.misc
Subject: Re: Impure Mathematics
Date: 27 Aug 1992 14:11:30 GMT
<1992Aug26.185715.5040@noao.edu> <1992Aug26.214334.5602@news.acns.nwu.edu>
Followup-To: soc.culture.celtic
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <1992Aug26.214334.5602@news.acns.nwu.edu> fred@iapetus.earth.nwu.edu
(Fred Marton) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.185715.5040@noao.edu> muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller)
writes:
>>
>>I totally agree Suzanne! I wonder if they found it funny if the two
>>genders would have been reversed!
>>
>>Beatrice
>
>sure, why not?  it's known as having a sense of humor.
>
>fred

Without belaboring the point...

     Oh look!  What a collection of mathematical puns, and put together in
     a story.  How amusing!

     Oh, but the story portrays the assault and rape of a woman.  That's a
     real problem, in which real people are physically and mentally scarred,
     and from which recovery is difficult.  It has been compounded in the
     past by an attitude that projects the 'blame' onto the victim or that
     refuses to recognize this violence as a crime at all, because 'boys
     will be boys.'  And it is a crime that is only recently being recognized
     as a crime of violence against the individual.  Since this recognition
     is so late in coming, there are probably a lot of people who are
     sensitive to the issue, and will be mad as hell if someone suggests,
     in whatever way, that rape should be considered in any other way.

Reversing the genders does not really convey the same emotion since most
men never have to worry about it (note the 'most'...there are exceptions to
everything).  Maybe a 'funny' story full of puns about war atrocities, read
to the victims, would produce more comparable results.

--

   Phil Mitchell                                 Office of Academic Computing
   UT Health Science Center          6431 Fannin MSB 4.022, Houston, TX 77030
   voice: (713) 794-1189              internet: mitchell@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu


>> Firstly - yes it is clever for someone to use lots of mathematical
>> terminologies.
>> Secondly - The subject is STILL  R A P E
>> This problem IS SERIOUS and must never be BELITTLED!!
>> Thirdly - what do you mean by 'most men never have to worry'
>> What planet are you on?? EVERYBODY is potentially at risk!
>> Also, be careful what you say about men being raped/attacked.....
>> I have friends who have suffered the trauma & humiliation of this,
>> and I am sure that most other people find YOURS (AND FREDS) attitude
>> rather sad.
>> In case you think I am getting on 'my soap box', you're wrong its
>> just that some of us are more HUMAN than you.
>> Lastly - with regards to writing about 'War atrocities' to get more
>> comparable results -  GROW UP!!

>> Eddie



Newsgroups: sci.misc
From: thorn@bnlux1.bnl.gov (craig thorn)
Subject: Re: Salt and soda pop
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:49:48 GMT

The reason soda foams when salt is added has to do with the one ion
species forcing the other out of solution.  I used to know more about
it, but seem to have forgotten it.

Kurt Thorn
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: sci.misc,misc.consumers
Subject: Re: Edmund Scientific ???
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:20:08 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <1992Sep1.161753.8116@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> klink@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (steven.r.klinkner) writes:
>Does anybody know if Edmund Scientific still exists?  They used to be
>a supplier of miscellaneous scientific items. 
>
   Still are.  They are still in Barrington New Jersey..and still
   advertise in Scientific American.  
   Barrington is just outside Cherry Hill, do a directory assistance
   as I don't recall them having an 800 number.

>If so, does anybody know how to get their catalog?  I have already tried
>1-800-555-1212; they are not listed.  Any telephone number or address
>would be appreciated.
 
   Be sure to note whether you want their industrial or home
   catalog...if you use a business address they usually send the OEM
   Industrial catalog unless you make it clear you want the home
   experimenters version...
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: sci.misc
Subject: Salt and soda pop
Date: 27 Aug 1992 05:51:32 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


Why is it that adding table salt to soda pop causes foaming?  What's
the chemical reaction (or is it all physical)?
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
From: downey@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: sci.misc
Subject: New Ending - Impure Mathematics
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:53:42 GMT
Organization: NIST


It seems reason and downright outrage are not recognized by
Darryl (the original poster of "Impure Mathematics"), or others
who find the story "funny."  Here is a new ending which
results in a much more equitable and judicious disposition.

When Curly Pi attempted improper integration, Polly was so outraged
that she raised herself to the nth degree and pulled out a .357
magnum.  She then threatened to blow off Curly Pi's conic section
and relative spheres whereupon his full extrapolation shrivelled to
an infinitesimal imaginary number.  While keeping her exponents
applied to the trigger, Polly summoned the matrix police and
Curly Pi was brought up on charges of attempted improper integration
and sentenced to hard differentiation for infinity; where he
repeatedly became a zero, thus rendering him incapable of ever
attempting improper integration again.

More of the Story:  Attempted improper integration may result in
loss of conic section and relative spheres and definitely results
in loss of any degree of freedom.

Epilogue:  While Curly Pi served his time in infinity, he ran
into a few other zero's named Darryl, Fred, Scott & Johan,
among others, who had been sentenced for masquerading as
higher-order equations and grossly offending other members
of mathkind.
From: ralf@ark.abg.sub.org (Ralf Stephan)
Newsgroups: sci.chem
Subject: Re: Luminescent Paint (Q)
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:26
Organization: Private Coherent 4.0.1 site Augsburg/Bavaria/Germany

knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
> 
> ZnS comes to mind.

That leads me to the question:  Does ZnS alone suffice?  I remember trying
it as a boy, and I think I also "doped" it with traces of some metal but
I never succeded.  Of course one needs an UV lamp for that?

--ralf
Newsgroups: sci.chem
From: pgravel@nap.amoco.com (Philip L. Gravel)
Subject: Re: Ecological effect of dyes
Reply-To: pgravel@nap.amoco.com (Philip L. Gravel)
Organization: Amoco Corporation
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:50:54 GMT

In article <g92w5470.7.714685119@giraffe.ru.ac.za>, g92w5470@giraffe.ru.ac.za 
(MR GS WATKINS) writes:
 
> Is there any water-soluble dye which would be non-toxic to aquatic life 
> in the concentrations needed to cause a noticeable change in colour.  

There must be.  The City of Chicago throws a dye into the Chicago River every 
St. Patrick's day to turn the river Kelly Green.  I don't think it would be 
done if it killed the aquatic life.  But then again, maybe there's no aquatic 
life in the Chicago River to kill. :-)


Phil

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----------
These opinions aren't worth the paper they're written on and
certainly don't reflect those of my employer.
Newsgroups: sci.chem
From: s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
Subject: Re: Methylene Chloride
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:43:00 GMT

In article <36875@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, dadmun@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes...
>Back to the original concern of the husband and wife, and the drum of CH3Cl
>in the ocean.  How did it get there?  MeCl may not be very hazardous, but
>do we want it (or other more nasty things) floating around in the lifesource
>of the planet?  We can debate this issue to death - as we have proven here,
>but who is doing anything about it?  A very small percentage.  We should take
>action to prevent careless dumping in our oceans - or anywhere.  I must admit
>that I have been somewhat concerned about MeCl since my undergrad experience.
>During my final semester, I used it a lot as a solvent for UV-Vis spectroscopy
>and washing NaCl plates, etc.  If your a chemist, you use the stuff.  It 
>says right on the bottle that it is a liver toxin and suspect carcinogen.
>Nonetheless, it always seemed more of a hassle to me to protect myself with
>gloves than to spill a little filling cuvettes.  It evaporates so quickly
>that usually all you feel is a cold hand.  Well, everyday exposure is not 
>needed by me.  Who cares if it is not THAT bad.  The fact is that it should
>not be taken as no threat at all - and I am not just talking about MeCl.  Do
>you think that just because the ocean is SO BIG and the garbage so little that
>it doesn't matter - It Does, and it will more and more if it slides.  What
>if a nice tuna happened to get a localized spill and you ate it.  YUM.  So,
>I am not so concerned about the MeCl on the beach as I am about the fact that
>anything is on the beach in a 55gal drum.  Look at how much damage we humans
>have done in 100 years.  Well that's industrialization for ya.  Not that I
>am against it.  We just have a growing lack of moral responsibility.  As  
>technology increases our need for human interface decrease and we become more
>egocentric.  Let's look out for each other.
>Please reply here or directly if you feel so inclined.
>Andy 
>Dadmun@ufcc.ufl.edu
There is a word very commonly used in chemistry called equilibrium. You only
looked the problems chemistry/chemicals have brought to today's society.
But look at the huge advantage the morden chemistry/industry/science have
brought to today's human being compare to 100 years ago. Mather nature has
the ability to creat the monster, she also has the ability to destroy the
monster. Delocalized waste, in my believe, would be able to be digested 
by the nature herself. Of course, I am not saying that we should be entirely
careless. But I believe that we are over concerned and the fear for 
chemistry/chemical/industry has gone too far
Newsgroups: sci.chem
From: James Petts <pettsj@visigoth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: MOPAC bug and sources of source code
Organization: No Affiliation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 07:05:43 GMT
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1

In article <1992Sep3.210305.21480@cc.ic.ac.uk> Henry Rzepa,
rzepa@cc.ic.ac.uk writes:
>PS MOPAC 7 coming some time in the next few months!

And AMPAC 4 with graphics has now been announced (see insert with latest 
QCPE bulletin). BTW, has anybody had experiences with using AVS to 
visualise electronic properties from MOPAC??

James Petts

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Newsgroups: sci.chem
From: alison@wsrcc.com (Alison Chaiken)
Subject: Re: the TRUTH about Methylene Chloride
Organization: W S Rupprecht Computer Consulting, Fremont CA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:59:49 GMT

For a while in grad school I was trying a project which involved using
methylene chloride to dissolve scotch tape (don't ask why).  As a
solid-state physicist, I am nearly completely ignorant of practical
chemistry, so I took the warning labels on all the solvents very
seriously.  The methylene chloride one terrified me; it was clearly
rated as much more dangerous than TCE or toluene!  The label said that
one should _shower_ and change clothing after using the stuff!  I wore
shoulder-length rubber gloves and a labcoat and goggles while using it
in the hood.

Then one morning on the news I heard that the FDA was considering
banning methylene chloride as a major constituent of hairspray!!!
Yes, all our worst fears about hairspray confirmed: it's really scotch
tape, methylene chloride, and freon! [  ;-) Warning: last statement
intended to be humorous, not accurate.  ]   

If you don't believe this story, try looking at the labels on some
containers of hairspray in the supermarket.  Nowadays most of them
say, "Does not contain methylene chloride."

What other hazardous chemicals do cosmetics contain?  I wouldn't be
surprised if they are a whole bunch of 'em, rabbit tests or no.

-- 
Alison Chaiken 				alison@wsrcc.com
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