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From: ahe@cadcam.kth.se (Anders Hedborg)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Gurney '68 CanAm McLeagle and Penske '68 CanAm McLaren info request
Date: 9 Jan 93 19:05:53 GMT
Organization: Manufacturing Systems, Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden

In article <1ifgv7INNqj3@gossip.pyramid.com> danjones@pyramid.COM (Dan Jones) writes:

>I'm still trying to solve the Vintage Motorsport trivia question
>I posted here earlier this week.

>Here is all that I know:
>
>	According the the old CanAm book Group7, the '68 McLeagle
>	was built on a McLaren chassis using Eagle components.  What
>	they meant by components, I don't know.  I think it was built
>	on a M6B customer chassis, but it might have been a leftover
>	M6A chassis.  The powerplant was Ford 427 Wedge.
>

Karl Ludvigsen writes in his book 
  "Gurney's Eagles - The Exciting Story of the AAR Racing Cars"
that as raw material for the McLeagle, a new McLaren M6B was bought.

"With the help of Harvey Aluminum,..., the McLaren was lightened by the
use of titanium for for the suspension wishbones, shift linkage and 
exhaust headers and was fitted with the distinctive Eagle wheels. This
and other work super-vised by Phil Remington lightened the McLaren by one
hundred pounds and justified its new name: the Olsonite McLeagle.
It was powered by a 325-cid Ford engine with Mark IV Gurney Eagle heads,
Lucas fuel injection, a special gear drive to the camshaft, and a dry-sump
layout similar to that of the Indy Ford engine."

BTW I think this book is in print again so it should not be difficult 
to get.

>	The Penske McLaren had custom rear bodywork.  I don't know of
>	any other modifications to it.

I first read about this car in Mark Donohues book "The Unfair Advantage"
and I seem to remember that Penske fitted it with a complete special
lightweight body of their own specification.

Donohue used this car to win the 1968 USRRC. According to AutoSport,
Sept 6, 1968, the car was sold to Jerry Hansen, and a spanking new 
M6B was bought for the CanAm series that year.
"With seven litres of aluminium Chevy, a subtly-modified body shape of
super-light panelling and an immaculate finish culminating in wild 
pinstriping, a lot of folk where betting on Mark.

>If you have any additional information about these two cars, I would
>appreciate to hear from you.  I'm only looking for information on the
>actual cars rather than results.
>

Anders.
--

From:
Anders Hedborg				Internet: ahe@cadcam.kth.se
Royal Institute of Technology
Department of Manufacturing Systems
S-10044 Stockholm
SWEDEN
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Subject: Re: Before Buying Japanese.
Reply-To: dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:21:00 GMT

In article <1ii9c7INNqnr@transfer.stratus.com>, cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com (R. Craig Dodson) writes:
|> I was going to stay out of this, but I can't resist. Saturns are proving
|> to be very reliable and the spaceframe construction makes them extremely
|> safe. They also get excellent gas mileage - the twin cams average in the low
|> 30's and the single cams average high 30's. And I'll compare maintenance costs
|> with any Honda owner any day of the year. Had those valves adjusted yet ? 
|> Gotta get 'em checked every 15k ya know, to the tune of $150 or so. Had
|> that timing belt replaced yet ? Nothing like dropping $300 or so every 60k.
|> When your car evertually does get old and you need things like water pumps,
|> alternators, etc you can look forward to paying typical import car parts
|> prices. I'll just go down to the local parts counter where they'll have
|> a part in stock for minimal $$$. 

A one or two year life time *proves* nothing.  Wait until they've been around
for 10 years like the Accord, and we'll see what they prove.

|> But I like my Saturn (SL2) because it's *fun to drive* - handling,  
|> acceleration, braking, steering feel, lateral seat support all combine
|> to make the Saturn infintely more exciting that the "please everyone"
|> Accord and Civic "blandmobiles".

I don't know about the SL2, but the 2 door model is pathetic when it comes
to handling, acceleration, braking and steering feel.  Up here it Canada they
sell for $15,000 + options, which is the same price as an Eagle Talon, Isuzu
Impulse, Acura Integra and MX-3, all which easily out handle and perform it - 
no contest (check ANY magazine and drive them).

|> 
|> It's kind of like well-constructed and reliable 16v VW . . .

I have nothing against this car, but it definetly has not earned this right yet.

Don Clayton
a.k.a. Admiral Maverick, DM of the Drow
My brain, my thoughts, my words.
"I'm all lost in the Supermarket.  I can no longer shop happily.
 I came in here for the special offer, guaranteed personality."
From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Do HOV lanes work?
Date: 8 Jan 93 02:09:46 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1if8a3INNh7@gilligan.East.Sun.COM> mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori) writes:
>>
>
>I'd be surprised (No, I can't prove this) if HOV lanes don't
>actually make things worse, in terms of pollution and gen-
>eral misery in urban areas.
>
>It seems to me that the resultant backups on alternate routes
>due to HOV restriction avoidance would cause more pollution/
>other harmful effects than just letting traffic flow down the
>major corridors unrestricted. I'm sure they make rush hours
>last longer, because commuters are forced off the expressways,
>and onto side routes, which do not move as fast.

This is PRECISELY what happened when the Dulles Toll Road in Northern
Virginia had one lane made HOV-3.  The restrictions were quickly (by
government standards, anyway...) suspended by the governor.
(the fact that single commuters were paying as much, per car, as HOV
commuters added insult to injury)

>As far as criminalization goes, they have an 800-number here.
>All someone has to do is take your tag, call it in, and you
>get a ticket. Even better than photo radar... Be kind to your
>fellow man, or he may scream "Witch!", and point at you...

He's still got to show in court and testify against you.  
-- 
Matthew T. Russotto	russotto@eng.umd.edu	russotto@wam.umd.edu
Some news readers expect "Disclaimer:" here.
Just say NO to police searches and seizures.  Make them use force.
(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: condict@next19.osf.org (Michael Condict)
Subject: Re: Do HOV lanes work?
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:07:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.225143.10333@athena.mit.edu> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F  
Carr) writes:
> 
> I-84 through Hartford has some very-expensive looking carpool lanes (at
> interchanges and exits there are separate over/under-passes; when the HOV
> lane parallels the road there is enough unused pavement to add 1.5 new
> lanes).
> 
> Is this really worth the cost?  I go through Hartford a few times a year at
> off-peak hours, and there is very little traffic on the HOV lane.  Is it
> different during rush hour?  It seems to me the money would have been better
> spent making the main road wider.
> 
> If you do take the HOV lane, you have to travel at the speed of the slowest
> car because there is no room to pass.
> 
> --
>     John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu)

I've just been through this area twice travelling between Boston and New
Jersey, and it is the worst abomination passing for traffic engineering
that I've seen in a long time (way up there with Boston rotaries!).

No one uses the car-pool lane because, not only is it only one lane, so
you can't pass a slow car, but there are all these signs telling you
that you may not move between the car pool lane and the other lanes,
except, presumably at a few designated entrance/exit spots.  Who would
want to take the chance of being caught in that lane behind a couple of
old men with hats.  It's a complete waste of highway real estate.

Michael Condict
OSF Research Inst.
Cambridge, MA
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,rec.autos,rec.auto
From: neeraj@b30.ingr.com (Neeraj Tulsian)
Subject: -- REQ info- Book by Police Officer --
Keywords: avoid tickets, speeding fines etc. helpful info
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:50:13 GMT

	Last summer there was discussion about a book
	written by a retired officer (from NY ?) on 
	different aspects of dealing with the police
	regarding traffic violations and related topics.

	He also appeared on the David Letterman show
	last fall, and they discussed the book.

	I'd appreciate if someone could Email me the name
	and author etc. to help identify the book.

	I recently got a 16-over-limit ticket and would 
	to avoid having it show on my record.

	Also any comments and suggestions are welcome.

	Thanks,					Neeraj
	------------------------------------------------

	tulsi@ws19.b30.ingr.com
	205-730-3753 office
	205-461-9997 home
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From: mroberts@ptdcs2.intel.com (Mark Roberts ~)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving,or.general
Subject: Re: Interesting ticket....
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:44:25 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation -- Aloha, Oregon

In article <1993Jan5.025221.503@news.columbia.edu> eew1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Edward E Walsh) writes:
>My friend just got a ticket saying he was doing 77 mph on a 65mph zone.
>However, the ticker also has a written error: the date of the speeding
>incident was written down as Dec 2, 1993, instead of Jan 2, 1993 -- the
>cop wrote a ticket for an event in the future.  Does he have a case in 
>court or should he just plead guilty and pay the fine?
>

A number of years ago I was riding my bike from Portland to Beaverton
when a cop pulled me over and cited me for speeding.  He forgot to put
either the date or the location (memory is the first ting to go ...) and
he actually *called me at home* and asked me to write in the date
(location).  He then called me back (couple of days later) and told me the
ticket was invalidated because he had not filled it in correctly.

My advice is to call free legal aid or go in for one of those 20 min. free
consultaions that lawyers are always advertising.  I sure wouldn't pay
anything until I checked it out first.

					good luck,
					--Mark--



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My opinion, Not that of the company ... or anyone else for that matter ...

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h)
Subject: Voice your support for 65mph in NJ
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 19:03:16 GMT


If you live in NJ, or you live in a nearby state, here's a chance to voice
support for changing the NJ state speed limit on rural highways to 65 as
is the case in 41 other states.  Remember, especially if you live in
MD, NY, PA, CT, RI, that if NJ changes, it adds more fuel to the fire of
support for change in your states.  Let's use the NRA as an example of
how mass support for a position can and does influence the elected
officials who control the outcome.


The NJ Assembly Judiciary, Law and Public Safety Committee
heard testimony on the 65 mph speed limit bills yesterday.
There were four times as many supporters as opponents of
the higher limit present.  Because not all committee members
were there, a vote was put off because the missing members
comprised the other block of votes to send the measure
to the Assembly floor.

NEWSPAPER ASKING FOR FEEDBACK ON THE 65 MPH ISSUE IN NJ

     The COURIER NEWS has a hot topic each week with readers
     calling in and expressing there opinion.  This weeks hot topic
     refers to the speed limit.  If you have a second please call in.

     THE ISSUE:
          An assembly committee today begins hearings on the
          legislation to boost the speed limit on some state roads to
          65 mph.  The move comes on the heels of a state
          monitoring report that shows more than half of New
          Jersey's drivers obeying the 55 mph limit.  But those
          figures are hotly contested by some organizations
          lobbying heavily for a higher speed limit.

     QUESTION:
          Should the state (NJ) raise the speed limit to 65 miles per
          hour?

     CALL IN:
          908 707-3262

     To express your view, please call the number above to leave
     your taped message 24 hours a day.  Deadline is noon Friday. 
     Give your full name (spell out your last name), town and phone
     number for verification.  Responses will be published in
     Monday's Courier-News

Here is one response by a member as an example:

          Speed limits should be set by rational means.  Setting
          laws and limits based on erroneous information helps
          support bureaucracy and wastes valuable resources.  Any
          open minded individual who objectively reviews the facts
          will make one rational choice, the speed limit should be
          raised to 65 mph where appropriate in NJ.   

Be sure to call in and get others to do so as well.  Even
if you don't say much and/or don't get printed, your vote
in favor of 65mph speeds on NJ highways will be counted.
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: "Most Tastelss Car Accessory Listing"
Date: 4 Jan 93 14:35:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1hud7jINNb7v@meaddata.meaddata.com> dlovely@meaddata.com (David Lovely) writes:
>The all-time tasteless bumper sticker award goes to:
>	"Protect American Jobs, Buy American Made"
>
>It was on the back of a Toyota Corolla!
>
>This is absolutely true!

Even better. I have a neighbor with four toyotas in his house (late 80's
camry, a 90's celica, a landcruiser, and a truck) and all four have
a US flag in the same identical spot. The guy also has an American flag
flying permanently mounted in front of his home (he bought a model home
with a decent flag pole)...

He recently traded one of the toyota's for another new one, and it also
has a US flag on it...

Spiros
-- 
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Dave Munroe)
Subject: Re: How to answer the Officer when pulled up?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:34:02 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard / Vancouver Division

jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes:

>One of my favorite driving sights: a Porche with an 85 mph speedometer...
>The speedometer was broken because the driver had gone too fast.

My guess is that the 85-mph Porsche speedos had an operational lifetime
measured in seconds.

-Dave
From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Do HOV lanes work?
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:51:54 GMT
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies

In article <1993Jan3.225143.10333@athena.mit.edu> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F  
Carr) writes:
 

> > Is this really worth the cost?  I go through Hartford a few times a year at
> > off-peak hours, and there is very little traffic on the HOV lane.  Is it
> > different during rush hour?  It seems to me the money would have been better
> > spent making the main road wider.

It doesn't matter if they work or not.  HOV lanes are now part of your
state highway department's official dogma, and no amount of fact or analysis 
is going to change that.  Often HOV lanes are the only way for them to get a
freeway widening project past opposition from the EPA.

California did do an experiment to try to prove that they do work.  
Students were stationed on an overpass, one per lane, to tally the
number of people passing beneath.  Supposedly the HOV lanes turned out to 
be carrying their share of passengers.  

-- 
John Reece			"This lifeboat is full"	
Not an Intel spokesman
From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: Left lane road hogs (again)
Date: 8 Jan 1993 11:35:56 -0500
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <1993Jan08.154329.11934@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> crpresto@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Charlie Preston) writes:
>I experienced similar conditions between central IL and Ft. Myers.  During my
>trip there was a greater concentration of LLHs south of Atlanta.
>
>-- 

You have to keep in mind that if you travel during the Christmas
season, you will likely encounter some of the biggest a-holes
that ever set foot upon the face of the earth (both the slow
ones, and the fast ones).

It is for this reason that this year, I avoided any road that
started with an "I" on my annual trek from the Washington, DC
area to Albany Ga..

By avoiding the interstates, I avoided alot of trouble, and the
secondary roads were for the most part uncrowded. The trip was
really quite a pelasure for both myself and my wife. There was
alot more to see, so it wasn't as monotonous as interstate dri-
ving can be. Took us about an hour longer, in each direction.

As an aside, I spent part of my vacation in Mexico, with a ren-
ted VW Bug. Boy what a difference! The major roads in the Yucatan
peninsula are all bidirectional 2-lanes that were literally cut
thru the jungle. You wreck out there, and the angels had best
be with you, because there's nobody else around. Combine the nar-
row roads with semis and buses doing about 1-1/2 times the limit,
and one begins to develop a real appreciation for the roads we
have here! One nice thing is that they're not too crowded, though.

-- Mike

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Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: bbenson@sscvx1.ssc.gov
Subject: Re: How to answer the Officer when pulled up?
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:34:51 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.232902.14808@athena.mit.edu>, jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.233039.22270@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>
> 	krc@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (kenton.cabiness) writes:
>>Or my favorite:  I don't know, my speedometer only goes to 85.
>>I got the ticket, but it got a good laugh from the cop! :-)
> 
> One of my favorite driving sights: a Porche with an 85 mph speedometer
> (this was 10 years ago; I guess the government required them at the time).
> The speedometer was broken because the driver had gone too fast.
>     John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu)

Find some other reason for the breakage. Stock speedos are driven by spinning
magnets - there's nothing inside to bend, bind, jam or break due simply to
spinning said magnets faster or putting the needle over to a stop. 

Bob Benson
Ralliest and Generally Strange Person
Purveyor of Custom Speedometers to the Great American Race

Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba)
Subject: Re: How to answer the Officer when pulled up?
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:50:15 GMT

I know someone who got out of a speeding ticket by asking the officer
to look at his car.  It was a Yugo.
I believe he used the arguments: 
1) Yugos can't go that fast, especially just coming from a stoplight
2) The officer would be laughed at by all the other officers if he
admitted he gave a speeding ticket to a Yugo.

The officer didn't give him the ticket.
-- 
--------------->Elisabeth Anne Riba * lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu<---------------
   Do not meddle in the affairs	    |  Usenet is like Tetris for people
   of cats, for they are subtle     |  who still remember how to read.
   and will piss on your computer.  |	  So many newsgroups, so little time...
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
From: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier)
Subject: Re: How to answer the Officer when pulled up?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 06:03:54 GMT

chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry) writes:

>In article <C03Avn.9sr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> gill@eagle.sangamon.edu (Warren Gill) writes:
>>  Always remember to try to boost the officer's ego (yes, suck up)
>>and try not to admit your guilt.  Try something like "Oh, I didn't
>>realize I was going that fast.  I must not have been paying attention
>>to my speed, with the traffic and all..."

>Ah, but even this answer indicates some lack of responsibility on the
>driver's part.  You must realize that "Do you know how fast you were
>going?" is a trick question, intended to make the victim admit guilt
>directly, or at least admit that he wasn't doing his job as a driver.

>Don't EVER give the friendly officer any rope with which to hang you.
>Keep the conversation strictly business, unless you're good enough at
>bullshitting your way out of these situations to risk it.

If you thought you were going 38 say so.  If he didn't think you were
speeding he would pull you over.  So when you lie and say you aren't
speeding, or give a speed less than what he believes, he's going to
nail you.  On the other hand, If he's reasonable, you tell him the
truth, then he may let you off with a warning (written or verbal).
It's very unlikely that what you say is going to make any difference
if the cop is intent on giving you a ticket.
As a matter of fact, a friend of mine was cruising along, got stopped.  Cop
said 'maam do you know that you were going 65-70 in a 55?'  She said 'I was
not, I was doing a good 75!'  He said he'd never heard that one before
and let her go.


> -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
Mark B. m-blunier@uiuc.edu
From: jmuth@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (John Muth)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: How to answer the Officer when pulled up?
Date: 12 Jan 93 19:04:11 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

In article <7H28wB2w165w@major.panix.com> dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:
>
>A friend of mine has a 928, lives in Northern NJ. We went to a
>conference in Alexandria, VA. Under 3 hours, point to point.
>
>He had one of those ridiculous 85mph speedos.. Needless to say, 11
>seconds after we hit the Jersey Turnpike, it disappeared into the
>dashboard, and we didn't see it again 'till we hit Delaware.

11 seconds to hit 85?!? Was there something wrong with the engine? :-)

-John Muth
From: JTCHEW@lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: "Most Tastelss Car Accessory Listing"
Followup-To: rec.autos.driving
Date: 12 Jan 1993 21:11:58 GMT
Organization: Honest Ernie's Used Ions
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.252.153

>	{bumper sticker}  "Protect American Jobs, Buy American Made"
> >It was on the back of a Toyota Corolla!

A few blocks from me is a Toyota with Pearl Harbor Survivor 
license plates.  I have not yet determined whether the owner
is irony-deficient, generously forgiving, or a former Japanese
torpedo-bomber pilot...

Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley"