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From: SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Social Development Unit (Re : was Sins of Singapore)
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:17:19 GMT

ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:

>In article <920722163649.20806317@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU>, SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:
>
>>   American Express claims their cardholders charge more, hence the
>>   higher rates merchants need to pay. Several shops in the States
>>   have boycotted the card to protest the exorbitant fees. American
>>   Express is not listening, however.
>
>The reason that American Express is not listening is because they have a
>virtual monopoly on the AMEX card.  This contrast with Visa and MasterCard/
>Access because one need only pay for the franchise to be a card issuer.
>
>Then there is also the issue of credit card versus charge cards.  Although
>AMEX clams that their charge cards have no preset spending limit, operationally
>there is an "internal" credit limit attach to each card.

  Operationally that is the spending patterns and past payment records of
  each cardholder. This is not a credit limit, however. I call it security.
  A record of the cardmember's past spending patterns gives them a good
  feel of what the cardholder might or might not spend money on. The issue
  between charge and credit cards is that credit cards make it easier for
  one to be far behind on payments. Sure, you pay less in annual fees, but
  credit card issuers "make up" for that by charging exorbitant interest
  rates. I think the overhead evens out, eventually. American Express charges
  more annual fees but you would have to pay all your bills in full. Credit
  cards emulate this to some extent: they have what you call the "grace"
  period, that time of the month when you say grace and hope you'd have 
  enough money to pay the next bill.

-- 
                                              --Syed Shibli
                                                ssr48327@vax1.utulsa.edu
                                                +1 918 631 3257
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: polsak@nuscc.nus.sg (Suzaina Abdul Kadir (Ms))
Subject: Re: What is ASEAN?y
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 02:08:27 GMT



Member countries of ASEAN are  Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia
Philippines, Singapore and Thailand.

There has been overall approval for the Indo-chinese states
(Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia) to officially join ASEAN. This
'approval' was established at the 4th ASEAN Summit (Singapore,
January 1992). However the the Indo-Chinese states are *NOT*
as yet members of ASEAN.

At the moment, ASEAN has also established the ASEAN Free Trade Area
(AFTA) which will (hopefully) see the reduction of tariffs 
barriers for trade within ASEAN. 

- Suzaina
From: x90mohd30@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: HELP WANTED
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:27:24 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

Hi Everyone,

	Currently I'm doing a survey on thestype of stamps used by people 

        in the USA for one of my projects. I encourage every one to

        participate. Just send your name and address on a self-address

        stamped envelope to:


		YURI MOHD SALLEH
		1323 GREENWOOD AVE APT 102
		KALAMAZOO MI 49006

	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: algebra@leland.Stanford.EDU (Leong Weng Ng)
Subject: Re: othman... tsk...tsk...tsk.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 08:10:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.035147.10941@news.iastate.edu> txd07@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
>
>'Lo there everyone.
>
>	I, as a Muslim, will defend encik Othman's honour as a Muslim, and
>if the needs arises, then let me die for defending Othman's faith, as a
>Muslim. In fact, I will readily surrender my life, (ALLAH's willing), for
>the sake of a bad chinese journalist, as long as he/she is a Muslim.
>
	If honor may be procured by calling oneself a Christian
or a Muslim or whatever, and defence for a wrongdoing be based
on the same, then we can all easily become privileged people.
If that Chinese journalist were really bad and really Muslim
and you defended him on the basis of his being Muslim, then 
you would have done your religion more injustice than Mr. Othman
has.IMO.
 
>	Thus encik Othman, please don't embarass me in this net for trying
>to defem
>       nd a fellow Muslim like you who couldn't control his anger, acting
>like a 30-yrs-old who have yet to reach his puberty.
>
>	Believe me, I would LOVE to bash you after your remarks on the
>chinese journalists, but since you're a Muslim, I refrain myself from
>doing.

	I may be nitpicking here but is it fair that a Muslim
should merit less of your wrath simply because he is a Muslim?
Should Mr. Othman be more severely censured if he were not a 
Muslim? And from your reference to the Hui, it seems to me you
are more concerned that Mr. Othman might have inadvertently
insulted Muslims who happen to be Chinese rather than that
he insulted Chinese as a race per se.

	 Don't you know that there are more than 100 million Muslim Chinese
>in Mainland China? They are know as Hui. Please be careful on your words,
>your actions and an yourself. One of this day your mouth might kill you,
>y'know. With your present attitude, I don't think you're going to stay
>long in NTU. If you do, then your superiors there must be some really
>retarded people.

	If he has a good work ethic, I don't think anyone is
going to sack him, however outlandish his opinions may be.
So I think your speculation might not come true.

>	We as a Muslim ar suppose to be know for our 'akhlak baik' (good
>moral behaviour),  and countless other good things. But if keep displaying
>that attitude of yours, we are not going to go anywhere.
>
>
>
>
>Abu Syafiq.
>

Weng Leong
Stanford U.
From: espdx@warwick.ac.uk (Spider Man)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: OLYMPICS IN MALAYSIA ????
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:10:10 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK

In article <1992Jul26.153348.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:
>In article <ll9mb5k2@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, espca@warwick.ac.uk (Kenny Lee ) writes:
>
>> WHEN WILL IT BE FOR MALAYSIA  ?.
>
>YOu have got the Commonwealth Games, so dont expect to be in Olympic contention
>until 2016...
>
>Anyway, you'll probably do a "Montreal" on everyone.
>
>Malaysia has a sad Olympic record -- 18 million people and zero medals.
>It is quite sad, as Malaysia should have one a medal by now!

	Hey, Rod, don't so proud !! l haven't come yet, Malaysia 
send me to England to have intensive training for next comming Olympic
Rod l see you there...... don't try to escape and show your talent 
l will let the Malaysia flag flying. 
           see you in the next Olympic. 


Spiderman

>
>Rod <----00
>-- 
>  *******     *******     *******   |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> *       *   *       *   *       *  | The Games of the XXVth Olympiad |
>*         * *         * *         * | Barcelona   July 25 to August 9 |
>*       *******     *******       * |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> *     * *   * *   * *   * *     *y                Day 1               
>  *******     *******     *******   |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
>      *         * *         *       |    RSwiftRW@cc.Curtin.edu.au    |
>       *       *   *       *        | Rod Swift     Curtin University |
>        *******     *******         |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
From: beng@cae.wisc.edu (Beng Ting)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Date: 26 Jul 92 22:30:40 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <1992Jul26.103154.2308@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>
>
>	[stuff deleted]
>
>
	>Malaysian chief of police declared that the children would not be extradited
>because they are Malaysian citizens.

	Hah?? Why the police??
	
	OK. I don't really have any in depth knowledge of what's going on, nor do
	I have a credible authority to confirm what I heard; so let me make myself
	very clear that I am not on either side. However, if that was what the police
	chief declared, then it shows me that he is taking side. It is not up to
	him to decide whether the kids are Malaysian citizens or Australian citizens
	or Malaustralian or whatever. His duty is to enforce the laws, not to
	interpret them. Interpreting the laws is the duty of the judicial branch.

	However, judging from the Tun Saleh (sp?) case a few years back, I am really
	skeptical of the independence of the Supreme Court. The then Lord president
	Tun Saleh was "fired" because he "interfered" with the executive branch. A
	council was set up to investigate the case, headed by the then Acting Lord
	President Tan Sri Hamid (sp?) It turned out that, after some in depth
	investigation, Tun Saleh, together with two other Supreme Court Justices,
	were expelled from the bench, of course, under the recommendation of the
	council submitted to the YDPA. Funny enough to me, Tan Sri Hamid was later
	"promoted" Lord President to head the Supreme Court. I didn't really know
	in great details what was going wrong, but it seemed like a joke to me.

	Note : I rely on my memory of the Tun Saleh case; I don't have the
	great details right from the top of my head. Any corrections will be
	appreciated. BTW, just FYI, Tan Sri Hamid is now Tun Hamid; the latest
	news I heard was about a few months ago, where the Bar Council of Malaysia
	cast a non-confident vote on him.


Happy! Happy!
Joy! Joy!

Ting Beng Tak
beng@cae.wisc.edu


>
>My source is the NEW Staits Times, Singapore. For another point of view refer
>to Edward Chia.
>
> 
>
>--
>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: adriana@ecst.csuchico.edu (Adriana Aris)
Subject: Hockey scores
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 02:13:02 GMT

Here are today's hockey scores (from rec.sport.olympics)


Australia 7		Argentina 0
Spain	    3		NZ        0
Netherlands 5		Unified Team 2
Germany   3		India     0
Britain   2		Egypt     0
Pakistan  4		Malaysia  1




A.A
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u906271@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Chris Chew)
Subject: Re: OLYMPIC REMINDER
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:15:59 GMT


Anyone who have read or come across the following article, please ignore it,
as it is obvious that the author is trying to mislead people or trying to gain
attending to oneself.

espca@warwick.ac.uk (Kenny Lee ) writes:

>DEAR NETTERS,


>JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT THE OLYMIPIC WILL BE TELECAST LIVE OVER THE

>TELEVISION TOMORROW (26-07-92).

>DO NOT MISS IT.

>REMEMBER ALSO MALAYSIA WILL BE PARTICIPATION IN A COUPLE OF EVENTS,

>WHERE OUR MAIN INTEREST WILL DEFINITELY BE IN THE BADMINTION EVENT.

>PLAYERS:  RASHID SIDEK
>          FOO KOK KEONG
>          RAZIF SIDEK
>          JALANI SIDEK
>          KWAN YOKE MENG
>          CHEAH SOON KIT
>          LIM SOO PING  (FROM UNI OF TASMANIA)
>          SOO BENG KIANG
>          WONG EWE MUN
>          (KENNY LEE) - THE COACH   ?*/#\%

>EXTERNAL HELP : YANG YANG AND HAN JIAN.

>EXTERNAL SUPPORTER :  TAN BOON FANG (FROM SINGAPORE)
>                      PINK LADY (FROM TASMANIA)
>                                   

>MALAYSIA WILL ALSO BE PARTICIPATING IN EVENTS SUCH AS:

>   ATHLETICS
>   HOCKEY


>FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT ESPAZ@csv.warwick.ac.uk

I happen to know some of the people listed here very well and one thing I know
for sure is that they are not in the Malaysian sport's team.

From what I know, these people are the persons to whom he has talked with
through intenet.

If people are to post articles on the net for others to read,
they are to ensure that the articles are to the point and not misleading.

- Chris



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From: hsiahaan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: OLYMPICS IN MALAYSIA ????
Date: 27 Jul 92 05:46:21 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Jul26.170428.2882@memstvx1.memst.edu>, rtssaid@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
> In article <1992Jul26.153348.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift) writes:
>> In article <ll9mb5k2@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, espca@warwick.ac.uk (Kenny Lee ) writes:
>> 
>>> WHEN WILL IT BE FOR MALAYSIA  ?.
>> 
>> YOu have got the Commonwealth Games, so dont expect to be in Olympic contention
>> until 2016...
>> 
>> Anyway, you'll probably do a "Montreal" on everyone.
>> 
>> Malaysia has a sad Olympic record -- 18 million people and zero medals.
> 
> Yes sir..it is very sad indeed. But, how could you compare the no. of medals
> won by a nation with its population? Are you saying that the no. of medals
> won should be proportional to the size of population?
> Indonesia has a large population...and so does Bangladesh...see what I mean..
> ....And I'm quite confident we could at least bring back bronze in badminton
> this Olympic.
> 
>> It is quite sad, as Malaysia should have one a medal by now!
>> 
>> Rod
>> -- 
 
honestly, i dont wanna involve in this stupid discussion...but to let you
know indonesia has won a medal in last olympic in archery...
so, leave indonesia alone...we're not interesting in this
kind of discussion (speak for myself, huh !)

hsiahaan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Organization: University of Tasmania (Australia)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:25:49 GMT

In article <Bs1z99.EtE@knot.ccs.queensu.ca>, tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca (Tarun Kripalani) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Jul26.170112.17051@menudo.uh.edu>, acsm1@menudo.uh.edu (Reza Hussein) writes:
> |> Did anyone notice the obnoxious NBC newscasters who kept downplaying small and
> |> insignificant countries as they walked into the stadium in their remarks? When
> |> Brunei's small contingent came in, one of them commented that "The only event
> |> that they [Brunei] are going to compete is the BUFFET!" Fortunately, they
> |> gave more credit to Malaysia's delegates. But still the only camera shots of
> |> the team was only of Razif Sidek who was the flag bearer. The audience at home
> |> couldn't even see the entire team.
> |> 
> |> Anyone catch it over cable? Better coverage?
> |> -- 
> |> Reza Hussein -- rhussein@uh.edu
> |> 
> |> Tip the world over on its side and everything loose will land in Los Angeles.
> |> - Frank Lloyd Wright
> 
> NBC is an American network so it is obvious that there coverage
> would be biased towards the American atheletes. Costas doesn't
> give two hoots about any country with a small delegation. The 
> Canadian network had a little better coverage of the ceremony. 
> (CTV, not CBC). Unfortunately, their announcer was simply
> regurgitating stuff that the IOC provided. The American
> networks are great in providing coverage for baseball, football
> and basketball but when it comes to coverage of most other
> world events (witness World Cup football) they are quite
> sad. 
> -- 
> 
> Tarun Kripalani (of Wounded Knee and now Wounded Shoulder)
> e-mail:   tarun@psyclops.psyc.queensu.ca
> Dept. of Psychology, Queen's University,
> Kingston, Ontario.


Australian coverage was rather sympathetic to the larger N.E. Asian
contingents like Japan and China, though not much was said about Asean
countries. As for the Brunei contingent, I must admit that I laughed when 
I saw that rather stout person - who MUST be an official - marching and
very obviously looking as if he was enjoying himself very much. I'm
sure no offence was intended to Brunei and I thought that the comment
on 'being ready for the buffet' was a rather witty remark. Also, for
most sensational attire or lack of it - my vote is for Mongolia. I was
also moved by the tears of pride from the Queen as the contingent from
Spain lead by her son marched by.

Edmund

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Cold war against ISLAM (Part-1)
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 14:02:56 GMT

In article <KYTAN.92Jul23145338@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com> kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:

: 
: Suicide is suicide in my book.  I don't believe you'll find any non-Muslim
: religion that even brings up the concept that if one takes as many enemies of
: the faith with one when one dies, one will achieve a direct line to the deity
: in question.  
If he is a Muslim he would not go to heaven. You can go to heaven even if you
do not kill anyone. The purpose of killing is to defend oneself in war, so
as to win.
	There was the story of Ali, onw of the Caliphs.
 He has disabled his enemy and want to
strike him to death, but suddenly the enemy spit on him,so he became angry.
Now the purpose of killing the enemy is hate, no more war related, so he
suddenly stopped.

: 
: A religion can only be judged on its practioners because, in theory, everything

It is just like saying club member is still a club member even if he does not
pay his fees. The paying of fees is just like a disciplinary action to be
performed by its members, to be entittled to be a member.
 
: is perfect, be it communism, Christianity or whatever.
I have never thought that communism and christianity are perfect. I never
judge communism and christianity based on what they do. I just study the
philosophies and idealism behind these teachings. Most people can just 
achieve 90% of these idealism, but it does not mean that what they are not doing
right(the 10%) constitute part of the religion.


--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia)
Subject: Re: Bashings of Chinese Averts (was Re: OTHMAN BIN AHMAD)
Organization: University of Tasmania (Australia)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 11:53:32 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.163412.13102@leland.Stanford.EDU>, yongwee@leland.Stanford.EDU (Yong Wee Dennis Lee) writes:
> 
> I think we should stop bashing Othman Ahmad.  The many, and I stress again, 
> MANY,postings have more than revealed his flawed logic and his skewed thinking.
> However, I think we forget that it is through outspoken people like
> Othman Ahmad that we get an idea of how Chinese, or non-Muslims are percieved
> by the world.  If we keep bashing him, we run the risk of learning from such
> an interesting guy!
> 
> I am sure that the views presented by Othman are not unique, in fact, I think
> they are quite widespread.  Malays' mistrust of Chinese, Muslim's distaste
> for non-Muslims, are facts of life, even if we, the Chinese and the non-Muslims
> think they are unreasonable.
> 
> Maybe we should let this cool down a bit; I think Othman made his many mistakes
> in his desperation to defend himself.  Personally, I would not like to scare
> him away from future postings as I feel we can all learn alot from his very
> interesting and outspoken nature.

(stuff deleted)
 
> Dennis Lee Yong Wee
> Stanford University

Well said Dennis. The pugnacious Othman Ahmad had often been controversial in the
discussion on the Malaysian Prince but I recall earlier and interesting posts from
the guy. In a way its funny but in view of the number of flames and responses and
even a thread devoted to him, Othman Ahmad may well have achieved celebrity status,
not to mention notoriety in soc.culture.asean. 

Edmund
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ams7@po.CWRU.Edu (Anthony M. Spencer)
Subject: Re: OLYMPIC REMINDER
Reply-To: ams7@po.CWRU.Edu (Anthony M. Spencer)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 14:18:08 GMT


In a previous article, espca@warwick.ac.uk (Kenny Lee) says:

>DEAR NETTERS,
>
>
>JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT THE OLYMIPIC WILL BE TELECAST LIVE OVER THE
>
>TELEVISION TOMORROW (26-07-92).
>
>DO NOT MISS IT.
>
>REMEMBER ALSO MALAYSIA WILL BE PARTICIPATION IN A COUPLE OF EVENTS,
>
>WHERE OUR MAIN INTEREST WILL DEFINITELY BE IN THE BADMINTION EVENT.
>
>PLAYERS:  RASHID SIDEK
>          FOO KOK KEONG
>          RAZIF SIDEK
>          JALANI SIDEK
>          KWAN YOKE MENG
>          CHEAH SOON KIT
>          LIM SOO PING  (FROM UNI OF TASMANIA)
>          SOO BENG KIANG
>          WONG EWE MUN
>          (KENNY LEE) - THE COACH   ?*/#\%
>
>EXTERNAL HELP : YANG YANG AND HAN JIAN.
>
>EXTERNAL SUPPORTER :  TAN BOON FANG (FROM SINGAPORE)
>                      PINK LADY (FROM TASMANIA)
>                                   
>
>MALAYSIA WILL ALSO BE PARTICIPATING IN EVENTS SUCH AS:
>
>   ATHLETICS
>   HOCKEY
>
>
>FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT ESPAZ@csv.warwick.ac.uk
>

geeez, athletics too? it would indeed be great if you could provide the names
of all the M'sian athletes (or athlete)... :)
btw, what happenned in the M'sian swimming arena?  i was rather surprised coz' 
i was expecting swimmers like Ong and Nurul Huda to make it to the olympics
again ... 
-- 
   ... Forward in Courage 
        in Ways that are Just
         True to your Standard                     
          be Doin' and Daring ...                 ---  ora et labora
From: SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:31:39 GMT
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thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:

>In <199207222350.AA05653@pe5.pe.utulsa.edu> sya@PE5.PE.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:
>>  To say that it serves to dull the erotic sensations encountered in
>>  the erogeneous zones would be illogical since sex drive is more a
>>  a result of chemical and mental processes than physical ones.
>
>No, it is not illogical at all. We aren't talking (and you noted
>the difference yourself) about sex drive, we are talking about
>sensations. Sensations are necessary to fully enjoy sex, by which
>I mean, you can think about it all you like, but the actions speak
>louder than words.

  I agree with you wholeheartedly. Consider that last statement of  
  mine the incoherent ramblings of one in dire need of a long,
  well-deserved vacation.

  Regards.

-- 
                                              --Syed Shibli
                                                ssr48327@vax1.utulsa.edu
                                                +1 918 631 3257