From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Simon you're no ...
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[A little history here for the new readers who may not have seen this
before.  Peter came barging into talk.abortion with the standard "but
pregnancy is only nine months of inconvience" (not an exact quote),
line.  At this point I gave Peter my standard response, which is to 
let me fist him for nine months to give him just a small understanding
of what an "inconvience" some portions of pregnancy can be like.  Peter
has since been claiming that I've been sexually harassing him.  As we
join our story, PeteyHoney has been talking about how he and his
buddies used to call each other "gay" in a joking sense, that was
never taken seriously...]

In article <nyikos.720826349@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>In <1992Oct30.012313.1131@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
>>In article <nyikos.720070679@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>>>In <UetODD_00YUoM=OHsx@andrew.cmu.edu> "Andrea B. Gansley-Ortiz" <ag1v+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>>[Peter pines away for the Good Old Days When Men Were Men, Women Were Women,
>>and Small Furry Creatures From Alpha Centuri Were Small Furry Creatures
>>From Alpha Centuri]
>
>And Keith Cochran had not yet made his offer to be "doer" to my body,
>with hints of fisting me.

It wasn't a hint, PeterHoney.  It was an offer.  I make it to everybody
who trivializes pregnancy.  Ask Kevin C. Welch.  Ask McVey.

>
>>September 11, 1992.  Three gay men and a straight women harassed in a western
>>slope town when a truck with three men in it drove by and yelled anti-gay
>>remarks at them.  A few minutes later the men in the truck returned and
>>attacked the group with baseball bats.
>
>>September 19, 1992.  A hetrosexual man was murdered by two men at a 7-11
>>convience store.  The two perpeturators called the man "gay", "faggot",
>>and "queer" before he was stabbed.  Police were notified.
>
>>Welcome to the real world, Peter.
>
>I've been in it for a long time, Cochran.  It's about time you took
>cognizance of something I said to you back in September.

November 5, 1992.  The Tattered Cover Bookstore is evacuated after a
caller claimed that a bomb had been planted because "you have gays working
there".

November 6, 1992.  The night manager at Racine's (a popular restuarant
here in Denver, CO) gets an anonymous call.  The electronically muffled
voice says, "You know it's time for you fags to die, don't you?"

>
>I told you I considered your offer to be sexual harassment, prefacing
>it by saying that if Clarence Thomas had admitted to having
> made that offer to Anita Hill, he would have a hard time finding a
>job as a judge anywhere.

Good thing I'm not trying to get a job on the Supreme Court, isn't it?

November 9, 19??.  Nazi party members begin looting and burning Jewish
businesses and homes in what has become known as "The Crystal Night".

I'll bet you're just thrilled that #2 passed in Colorado, Peter.

>
>Then I said that I had been ignoring people calling me "Petey Honey"
>in the hopes it would go away, but now I say, enough is enough.

How many woman have to die of illegal abortions before you say
"enough is enough", Peter?

How many people have to lose their lives to the gay-bashers before
you say "enough is enough", Peter?

How many children have to grow up malnourished in below-poverty-level
homes before you say "enough is enough", Peter?

How many people have to die during the winter because they have no
houses to live in, and no place to stay before you say "enough is
enough", Peter?

According to federal statistics, 50% of all homeless teenagers are
homosexual, thrown out by their own parents because of their sexual
orientation.  How many more have to hit the streets before you say
"enough is enough", Peter?

According to the CDC (March, 1992) the highest rate of new HIV infection
is among WHITE MALES, AGES 18-22.  How many more have to become seropositive
before you say "enough is enough", Peter?  Oh, let me clarify that.  The
highest rate of new HIV infections is among white HETROSEXUAL males, ages
18-22.

Let me tell you something else, Peter.  I've had people putting me down
all my life.  I've had people who don't even know me hate me for the
simple fact that I like to dance with other men.  I've had people who
don't know the first thing about me scream that they are going to burn
me on the stake, hang me, and tell me that I'm going to be the first one
to go when they start up the ovens at Treblinka again.  Well, I've
decided that "enough is enough".  TheReligiousRight was given a sound
defeat in the national elections, OCA9 was defeated, and about the
only "victory" TheReligousRight got was to get amendment #2 passed in
Colorado.  If it's not struck down as unconstutional by the SC, it'll
be reversed by the State, or President Clinton will sign one of the two
bills in congress adding sexual orientation into the Federal Civil Rights
Act.

Any way you slice it, Peter, you've lost.  On the abortion ground, on
the sexual choice ground, on the mind control ground, on the anti-
woman ground.  Give it up, and go play with your other little mind-
control buddies.

>
>I have seen only one response from you to about ten posts in which
>I mention this action of yours, in five of which I tell you to stop
>playing dumb.  You haven't even come close to apologizing for making
>the offer.

Why should I apologize, PeteyHoney?  You made a statement trivializing
pregnancy and childbirth.  I made an offer to give you a small awareness
of just what some women go through during some parts of pregnancy.  You've
declined.  I certainly shouldn't have to apologize for that.

Or are you going to start threatening me with the net.censors again?  Maybe
you'd better threaten me with your "de facto" killfile again...

>
>That last sentence is a statement of fact, not a request.  I live in
>the real world, where Keith Cochran likes to pretend he is an innocent
>man.  To apologize for his offer would involve more self-scrutiny
>than I believe he is capable of.

Peter, please take a visit to your local coming out/being out group.  Please
take a visit to your local AIDS hospice.  Bring some flowers.  These last
three sentences of yours speaks volumes about how small your "real world"
is.

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