From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: When Asian income is less than Blacks
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:32:34 GMT

In article <63101@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>doc923:percapin.doc
>key: poverty,asian,minority,black,per-capita income,census
>Arthur Hu
>1194 Fargate Circle
>San Jose CA
>day 415-968-4800 x240
>eve 408-452-1873
>
>Blacks Make Less, Asians Make More - Not!
>
>The New York Times recently noted that Blacks in the borough
>of Queens, New York reached household income parity with
>whites in the 1990 Census. Rush Limbaugh was one of the few
>who pointed out that nobody was celebrating since good news
>is bad news in the advocacy business. Numbers in the 1980
>California Census show this was true ten years ago in
>Cerritos, Carson, and Rancho Cucumonga, with incomes above
>$27,000 when the state average was only $21,537. Simi
>Valley, that hotbed of suburban white racism, is also
>another one of the few places in the state where blacks make
>as much as their affulent white neighbors. I dare the LA
>Times to print that.


While you make some good points, do not overlook the main points.

Black income in the northeast and California are relatively higher because
in those areas, the average EDUCATION level of blacks is much higher than
other areas.

It would be expected that, in those same areas, the concentration of 
Asian immigrants is higher than the nation as a whole. As immigrants tend to 
have lower incomes, it is not really surprising that the household income
might be below that of an established group with its highest level of
opportunity via education.

>Dan Quayle was called a fool for saying that dissolution of
>family was the biggest cause of welfare dependency, and
>marriage was the best antipoverty program. Yet nobody has

A recent study of black attitudes toward welfare issues found that their 
attitudes were actually quite close to the mainstream of overall American
public opinion; the majority of BLACKS are against increasing welfare payments
to mothers who have additional children while on welfare. They also agree
that welfare should be tied to some sort of job training/education. They
actually feel more strongly about this than whites.

>without a cent of government aid, while the poor have
>collected trillions since the 60s with little to show for
>it. It's not race, it's not income, it's not gender, or any
>other flavor of arbitrary class division. It's values,
>skills and human capital that makes the difference. Now,

I'll disagree slightly; I believe education makes the difference. While first
generation Asians will not have the education (in most cases) the emphasis the
cultures put on it will help the nest generation.

>               White   Black   Asian   HispanicNAm
>California     $19,028 $11,578 $13,733  $8,504 $11,809
>Alameda Co     $21,105 $11,661 $14,226 $11,474
>Oakland        $23,461 $10,285  $8,537  $8,537
>Berkeley       $23,045 $11,134 $12,829 $10,281
>Richmond       $20,133 $11,156 $13,797 $10,696
>SanLeandro     $18,275 $17,918 $15,409 $13,156
>ContraCostraCo $22,964 $12,054 $16,451 $12,412
>Marin Co       $30,213 $10,524 $20,573 $12,673 $16,798
>SanFrancisco   $26,222 $11,829 $12,665 $11,400 $11,485
>SanMateoCo     $25,278 $13,564 $16,887 $11,576 $16,713
>SantaClaraCo   $23,222 $15,153 $16,179 $10,917 $14,478
>Los Angeles Co $20,531 $12,018 $14,584  $8,066      NA
>Santa Cruz     $18,850 $10,325 $14,334  $8,263      NA
>S.Jose 5036.02      NA      NA  $6,892  $3,904      NA
>
>Massachusetts  $18,003 $10,867 $12,665  $7,833 $11,176
>Boston City    $18,939 $10,420  $9,406  $8,364      NA
>Boston Area    $20,455 $11,323 $13,470  $9,461 $12,347
>Lowell         $14,110  $9,497  $6,619  $6,311  $9,691
>Worcester      $14,282  $9,120  $8,681  $5,605  $6,107
>Revere         $15,243 $13,179  $5,080  $9,708  $2,721
>Newton         $29,675 $20,516 $17,833 $18,081  $7,731
>
>Household Incomes
>               White   Black   Asian   HispanicNAm
>Alameda Co     $50,673 $30,687 $47,040 $39,449
>Calf           $49,103 $32,958 $47,974 $34,298
>SanFrancisco   $50,397 $29,287 $40,966 $35,518
>SanMateoCo     $61,727 $39,969 $59,293 $44,194
>SantaClaraCo   $60,097 $43,951 $58,306 $42,658
>Los Angeles Co $52,936 $33,228 $48,555 $33,586
>Santa Cruz     $48,081 $32,146 $47,057 $35,546

Again, some good points. Just be sure to put them in their proper perspective.

Mike	(whose household income doesn't reach the average :-( )
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