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From:         Brenda Curry-White <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      Prayer Request and Women's group update

Several months ago I requested prayer for our women's group (Baptist
Young Women).  It has only been in existence since last January, and by
May/June it was at risk of being lost.  We didn't really have any
meetings after about July.  I had Sarah, and things never got back together.
We had an organizational meeting last week, and Kathy (the director who
had not been the kind of leader at first that we needed) decided she has
spread herself too thin and does not want to continue as director.  She
feels that if she steps down, some of the other women will rejoin the group.
I think it took a lot of courage and honesty for her to come to such a
decision.  She is thinking of the good of the group.

There were only three of us at that meeting.  Kathy thought I should be
director, and since I feel strongly that there are many good things that we
can do, I agreed.  We have called for another meeting tomorrow night.  I
am going to try to get the group to define some goals (part of the problem
we had before was that our goals were not well-defined, and not defined
by the group as a whole).  Pray that God will give the same desire to the
other women of our church to see this group work that he has given me.
Pray that I am the person for the job of organizing the group.  It is a
big responsibility, and one of my weaknesses is a lack
of self-confidence.  I know that God can do great things in our church
with this group of women if they are only motivated to let him.

Southern Baptists take a special Christmas offering for foreign missions and
observe a week of prayer for foreign missions Nov. 29 to Dec. 6.  I would
like to see our group have an all-day prayer retreat during that time.  I
would like to see prayer become a goal for this group.  Pray that God gives
me the words that will emphasize the importance of prayer to this group of
women.  I think it is an area where we are sorely lacking in our church.

Brenda
From: Lubosh.Hanuska@anu.edu.au (Lubosh)
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In article <921104.12243012.049235@USM.CP6> THERESA BLACKWELL,
TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET writes:
>Please pray for me.  I feel like I've done all that is humanly possible.
>God has blessed me with the talent to play, and to UNDERSTAND music.
>Why can't I do this like I used to?
Theresa,
there is a girl in our uni prayer group. She is studying music, she's
even on a scholarship. Since about a year ago she started to have
troubles with a nerve in her spinal chord, and it causes a lot of
troubles in her hands, especially the right one. She is playing cello,
but she couldn't play for ages now, but she is going on. We are always
praying for her, and she's really incredibly confident that she'll be
able to do what she's called to do in her life. It's even more difficult,
because she only just started, she's only 18, and the decisions are not
easy to make... You're not alone with the problems, and God will never
forget you... 
I'll pray for you today.
Lubosh
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From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: CHRIST AS A ROLE MODEL.

Excerpts from christia: 10-Nov-92 Re: CHRIST AS A ROLE MODEL. Tom
Brewer@LSUVM.BITNET (629)

> Dan:

> Concerning Christ as a role model, that is what the so-called
> "Neo-Orthodoxy" teaches. The first Adam failed; the second Adam
> succeeded.

More like the first Eve said `no' to God, the second Eve said `yes'.

> We can act like the second Adam because He has freed us from sin. And of
> course with this false teaching comes a universal salvation. I have the
> desire to be more like Christ, but I know that I can never
> becomerighteous as Christ is righteous in perfect holiness. I cannot
> work myself into holiness. I need a substitute to plead my case. I have
> the righteousness of Jesus Christ because of His grace, not because of
> my works. The holiness God requires, God has provided.

I think I know what you're condemning, but I would not be so quick to
label the idea of Christ as a role-model as heretical.

We are to be "imitators of Christ."  Christ is the "firstborn among many
brothers," and we are being made into "the image of Christ."  Christ
/does/ call us to imitate him, to be Christ to the world, to minister in
his name, to do what he did, and so forth.  But of course what _is_
wrong to say is that Jesus's model was not just a moral model, but also
a soterological model, where we can become God just like he became God.
This is a heresy often taught by New Agers, that Jesus came to show us
how to recognize the divinity within us, and that Jesus was the first to
become God, which all of us are capable of doing.

But this is different from saying that we are to follow Christ.  "Take
up your cross and follow me."  Certainly we cannot be perfect on our
own, and we need the saving sacrifice of Christ, and our only
righteousness is from him, and we are saved only through the free gift
of God.  But Jesus is our moral model; we are called to imitate his
humility, his love, his asceticism, even his death (i.e. "no greater
love does a man have than this, than to lay down his life for his
friends") and all those things which Jesus's life showed us.

> Tom Brewer
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From:         "(Carol Slingo)" <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Christian Attitudes About Cannibalism/question
              "CHRISTIA@ASUACAD.BITNET" at Nov 6, 92 5:36 am

D--why do you think there are no direct laws?  The Old Testament has laws
for almost every conceivable thing--and nothing about eating human flesh?

What's your opinion about this omission?

Carol
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:44:08 -0500
From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: The Gospel

Excerpts from christia: 13-Nov-92 Re: The Gospel G.J.
McCaughan@CUS.CAM.A (5172)
(jesse writes)
> > I encourage all professing believers to take up my challenge to READ the
 Word
> > of God in CONTEXT and compare the Gospel of the Scriptures with that of
 Rome.
> > One can only WIN by doing so and BELIEVING the Truth.

>  Do you seriously imagine that people like Eric don't read the Bible?

>  Actually, I agree with you that many points of the RCC's doctrine are
> quite badly unscriptural. But to suggest that they're preaching a gospel
>  that's radically unbiblical is just ludicrous.

Actually, Jesse, it was reading the Bible that brought me to believe
that Catholicism was right, and brought me to the conclusion that 2,000
years of possessing it gave the Catholic Church a much deeper
understanding of Scripture than Protestant ones.

I have difficulting reconciling passages such as 2 Th 2:15, Jude 3, John
20:23, Matthew 16:18, John 16:13, John 21:15ff, John 14:26, 1 Peter
3:20, and others with the evangelical Protestant point of view.
Especially when I read the bible IN CONTEXT of early Christian writings,
instead of inventing ideas that have no ground in Christian tradition
and force-fitting them back into Scripture, pretending them to be
"Scriptural".

Eric
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From: gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.J. McCaughan)
Subject: Re: WHAT WE OFFER GOD?
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:17:12 GMT

In article <199211110105.AA06983@motgate.mot.com> bradk@isdgsm.rtsg.mot.com writes:

>By the way, the opposite of a Catholic is *NOT* a Calvinist.  The
>opposite of a Catholic is called a Satanist.

... oooooh, cutting ...

I bet you get some flak from the predestinarians for that!

-- 
Gareth McCaughan     Dept. of Pure Mathematics & Mathematical Statistics,
gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk  Cambridge University, England.    [Research student]
From: NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET (Jesse Carnes (alias, St. Jesso of Esso))
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Dear Steve ;

Haven't heard a squeak out of yuh for awhile.  Are you still with us?
This is Jesse Carnes ... I wrote your name down recently, after your
encouraging post.  Thanks for the support in Christ.
If anythng is cookin' update me if you desire to.


Jesse Irwin Carnes
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Subject:      Re: Jesus tells Thomas about evil and sin
              12 Nov 1992 16:09:26 CST from <sweberg@GARFIELD.WES.ARMY.MIL>

Scott ;

The "UrantiaBook" is cultic, not Biblical ... therefore, not Authoritative.


Jesse Carnes
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From:         JLong <JLONG@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Prayer request

Praise the Lord Audie!!!

The Lord saw where you needed him at the right time.  For accepting him in
your life you are already Blessed!  He knows your needs and will take care
of it for you.  I am very happy for you !!!!

Dear Father,

I come to you thanking you for another soul.  Lord continue to Bless
Audie in a special way.  Father fill Audie with your precious Holy
Spirit.  Teach and nurture Audie.  Lord let Audie know your presence.
Bless financially and spiritually.  In Jesus precious name.  Amen !

I will continue to pray for you.

Love your sister in Christ!!!

Janie Long
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From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: The Gospel

Excerpts from christia: 13-Nov-92 Re: The Gospel "St. Jesso of Esso"@LSUV (532)

> Dear Gareth ;

> Scripturally speaking, could you give some CONTEXTURAL support along
> with Biblical citations to show that I am being ludicrous?

> Oh by the way, the criterion which indicates whether one is preaching
> falsely or not is the Scriptures ... not fruits.  Truth is not proven
> via experience but by an Objective criterion which is consistent at all
> times in proper context. This is how the Mormons and JW"s get hung ...
> they go beyond the Scriptures and base their systems on someone's
> experienceor opinions.

But Jesse, everyone interprets the Scriptures differently.
Unfortunately, this is one case where I believe the Scriptures are quite
ambigous, and you are naive if you think that all one needs to do is
compare a doctrine with the scriptures to find an absolute answer,
because not everyone agrees (even among sola scriptura adherents) what
Scripture means.

I find it strange that you believe that the JWs are hung because they go
beyond the Scriptures.  Actually I see the JWs as _very_ based on
Scripture -- in fact, I see the JWs as a prime example of what can
happen if you really take sola scriptura seriously.  Examine their
arguments.  They are very difficult to refute from Scripture, and they
are all Scripturally based.  But they're still wrong.  Which proves that
it's not enough to based your doctrines on Scripture to ensure
orthodoxy.  I know more than a few heterodox Christian groups who
arguing their errors from Scripture.

Eric
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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Scripturette for today...

Leo!
You did it again, with the help of God's wonderful and Awesome word.
Thanks, dude!  I can make it through rehearsal today.
Theresa

 * <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
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From: Lubosh <Lubosh.Hanuska@anu.edu.au>
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Subject: Fasting makes us different ...
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Dear brothers and sisters in Christ,
instead of finishing my next "Quo vadis?" story I'll share a bit on
fasting with you today. The day before yesterday I was invited to a
party. I wasn't very keen to go, because it was the first Friday in
November, and I wanted to keep my fasting habit for that day. The party
was organized by one of the prayer groups at another uni. I use to go
there time to tiem, and organize sports activities for them, so they
invited me. I told to the girl who was phoning me that I am fasting, and
she said "It's okay, you can still come, we'll also play Pictionary".
Well, in the end I went there. I think it was a good thing to do, mostly
Christians these day don't practice fasting, and when they see somebody
doing it they usually are very surprised, and they all just can't believe
it still exists... Some of them were saying "Jeeee, it must be difficult
!", and I said "How do you know that, did you try ?" I was talking to a
few of the students there, all eating and drinking, and I was on a glass
of water all the time. I felt good about it - I don't know about the
others... I always think - if I am Christian, I have to be different
sometimes. It is just a bit surprising that Christian prayer groups
always have their barbecues on Fridays... But it gave me a chance to make
sure that some other people will see that a real fasting on bread and
water is possible. Usually I don't tell to anybody that I'm fasting, and
it's not always good. Some people need to see it, otherwise they'd never
think about trying it too... Thanks to God I could do it. 
And maybe to add a bit to your recent discussion on fasting - read Mark
9,28-29. I have an earlier Slovak translation which reads >He said to
them: "This kind can't be driven out by anything else than prayer [and
fasting]."< and the Today's English Version (1976) reads: >"Only prayer
can drive this kind out," answered Jesus; "nothing else can."< I am not
an expert in Bible translations, so somebody can correct my translations,
but I think there is something on it - even if the brackets mean it was
only used in some manuscripts, it certainly was a part of the Christian
tradition to use fasting to empower the prayer. I personally feel that my
prayers are stronger when I do more than  I have to... Our Lord God is so
great and strong, there is nothing He can be compared to, and even if
we'd praise Him all day and night, it doesn't add anything to His glory
and majesty. But He gave us the free will, and that's the only thing we
can give - if we say 'Father, there's nothing I can give you, but I want
to give up the food today. Be it to your glory and be it for the good of
Your Church.', I am sure it means an awful lot (not to speak about the
evil spirits, as mentioned above).
God bless you all,
Lubosh
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:40:55 CST
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject: Re: The Gospel

Dear Memo ;

Sounds good, but we have to sometimes put meat on the bare bones of
a Gospel outline.
I am not sure what you meant by "...owner of the Universe."
However, generically speaking, it looked decent in that I could not find
something major to find fault with.
However, Memo, what you will find in the real world is that many can quote
a basic short synopsis of the "gospel" but when you get them to elaborate
a bit further, it becomes a gospel using the same "christianese" words, but
actually has a different intended meaning.  Even knowledgable Catholics use
many of the same terms in their treatises on dogma, but are FAR from sound
Biblical teaching on the Gospel and other areas.


Jesse Carnes
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From: creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps)
Subject: Re: CHRIST, NOT PURGATORY
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:52:41 GMT

In article <CHRISTIA%92110515000690@ASUACAD.BITNET> Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET> writes:
>You're begging the quary a bit by saying that "of course salvation has
>conditions..."
>
>OK, why does Salvation   N E C E S S A R I L Y   HAVE to have conditions?
>Why not another option like  :
>
>
>        "F R E E    A N D    S O V E R E I G N     G R A C E"      ???

   Jesse, see Brad's response on this.  I think he did as good as job
on it as I possibly could have.

-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Steve Creps, Indiana University
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From: billc@housing.msstate.edu (Bill Chapman)
Subject: Prayer Request.
Organization: Housing Department, Mississippi State University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:01:31 GMT

My Mom just called with word that my step father has died.  Please pray for 
all of us as we travel, make funeral arrangements, etc.  Thank you.

--
Bill Chapman, Box 1262, Mississippi State, MS  39762
<BillC@Housing.MSState.edu>           (601) 325-2042
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From: kramerro@columbia.dsu.edu (ROGER A. KRAMER)
Subject: Re: God/Allah...
Organization: Dakota State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:00:02 GMT

In article <921109.08480326.053881@USM.CP6> TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET (THERESA BLACKWELL) writes:
>From: TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET (THERESA BLACKWELL)
>Subject: God/Allah...
>Date: 9 Nov 92 14:48:03 GMT

>Isn't "Allah" the Islamic word for "GOD"???
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but here I go again...
>In the movie "Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves", there is a scene
>in which Azeem is asked by a villiage girl no more than 5,
>"Did God Paint you?"
>"Azeem" replyed, 'OBVIOUSLY'
>Little Girl responded, "Why?"
>"Azeem" replyed back to her, "Because 'Allah' loves wonderous variety!"
>--------------------
>Loved this movie strictly for that scene if no other one.
>The innocence of the little girl's question, and the un-biased
>response of Morgan Freeman, choked me up, bigtime.
>She (the little girl) didn't question what "Azeem" said.
>She accepted him, because ...well, because of the way he said it.
>-------------------
>Lots of Didactic lessons in this movie... If you haven't seen it,
>please give it a shot.  Kevin Costner and Mary Elizabeth Masterantonio
>are excellent opposites, and the lessons I've learned from watching
>are not to be forgotton.
>(ick...that's Forgotten)
>Like, how to treat someone of a different race, or creed, as a fellow
>human being, instead of picking on them just because of skin colour.
>Sheesh.

> * <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>


I was surprise to see this article becuase I have some friends who are 
Arabiac and I hear them refering to Allah quite a bit.  I asked them what it 
meant and they said God.  
	
	Well my question is: sure Allah means God or The God but it's not 
the same God we believe in is it.  Can we go around saying we believe in 
Allah also with our own belief.

	I hope you understood what I am asking.  I'm just trying to clear 
this up in my mind.  I appreciate any comments on this.

					In His Name,
					Roger 
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From:         Wolfgang Hutter <HUTTER@DULRUU51.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Before the Foundation of the World

In a message of Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:25:11 GMT
Received on Thu, 12 Nov 92 04:10 N
ksb@SANTAFE.EDU wrote:

> I have an infant godson who is going to be baptized in the Catholic church
> soon, and his parents have indicated to me that God will not know of this
> child's entry into the world until after he has been baptized.

Which God do they believe in? My God is omniscient and there is nothing
hidden from Him, but even if He were not this simply can't be so,
because before baptism was practised lots of people were born and lived.
If God would not know about their entry into the world, He would have
missed most of mankind.

>  Can anyone point me to a passage in the Bible indicating that God has
> knowledge of the entry into this world of each and every human being via a
> physical birth

He knows us even before. E.g.

JOB 31:15  Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did
 not one fashion us in the womb?

PSA 139:13  For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me
 in my mother's womb.

ISA 44:2  Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from
 the womb,

ISA 49:1  Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from
 far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my
 mother hath he made mention of my name.

JER 1:5  Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before
 thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I
 ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

> and that He has had this knowledge *on His own* since before the
> foundation of the world?

EPH 1:4  According as he hath chosen us in him before the
 foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame
 before him in love:

(Dan will love this...) :-)

Wolfgang <><
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Subject: Re: Whose will is dominant?
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Yo Scott:

> I agree with you, his choice will not save him!  God demands perfect
> righteousness, and the choice does not give righteousness.  GOD, and
> only God, can make us righteous.  But God waits until WE CHOOSE to do
> the "good" thing and believe in Him.  Only after we choose will God
> make us righteous.  That's why God encourages us so strongly in
> Deuteronomy 30 to CHOOSE LIFE!!

So those who CHOOSE can proudly boast they made a "good" choice while the
lost who CHOOSE to reject go to Hell. The "good" thing we must do is
believe in Him. But Paul says belief is a gift. So if God has not given
the ability to believe, then we cannot do the "good" work of believing to
be made righteous by God.

Amazing! Jesus says to a group of men the reason they do not believe is
because they are not His sheep. Notice Jesus doesn't say they are not His
sheep because they did not CHOOSE to believe. You can read it in John 10.

I did not believe to be chosen; by God's grace I have been chosen to believe.

Tom Brewer
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From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Reply-Prayer Request-Lubosh

Dear Lubosh,

I again want to encourage you  to continue to tell your testimony through
your  stories.  They  are  so   very  interesting.  Keep  them  coming!!!

Dear Heavenly Father,

Thank you  for everything you  are doing for us  in our lives.  Father we
hold up  to you this  friend of  Lubosh that plays  cello. We ask  you to
heal her hand completely in the Name  of Jesus. Please take away all pain
and discomfort and make her hand whole.  Father we will be so ever faith-
ful to  give you  all the  glory and honor  and praise.  We thank  you in
advance in Jesus Name we pray.  Amen and Amen.

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--