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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Reel Prices AGAIN !
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:09:31 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <4871@miramon.lulea.trab.se> sro@lulea.trab.se (Sven-Rune Olofsson) writes:
 
|
|Reel Prices AGAIN !
|
On the subject of reel prices:

Why are fly reels so expensive?  Is it just because flyfisherman will pay
more?

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| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
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From: gt@hpfcbig.SDE.HP.COM (George Tatge)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:44:51 GMT
Subject: Re: A Big Cat Tale [WAS: First Muskie]
Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing

>	The small town near this lake has declared themselves, unofficially,
>the catfish capital of the world.  They have caught 40+ pounders in the
>Grand river there.  20 to 30 lbs. is common.  They used to have giant catfish
>skulls nailed to the welcome sign as you drove into town.

>Val

Hey, isn't this where Homer Simpson caught the "General"?

g (...so we determined to quit ticklin for catfish until we figured
   out how to tell them apart from mocassins) t
From: caldwell@cs.cornell.edu (Jim Caldwell)
Subject: Saltwater Flyrods and reels
Followup-To: rec.outdoors.fishing
Keywords: gear
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:11:25 GMT

I spent a week this summer on Block Island, R.I. and got wild reports on 
saltwater Bass and Blue fishing from some of the people at the Orvis store
there.  I've been thinking about about this for a while and now I'm in the
market for a saltwater flyrod and reel.  Lou Tabor's book on Inshore Fly 
fishing recommends 10 weight as the best all round rod -- I don't live at
the beach so I'm thinking a 9 weight would do fine and I could even use it
for bass and salmon fishing nearer to home.  I've been looking at the
Orvis rods, specifically the HLS rods, the Sage RPL-X saltwater rods but
they are big bucks -- about $350 -- are they worth the money?  I figure
high modulus rods like these could be overloaded to 10 or maybe even 11 
weight if that turns out to be the best line-weight for casting in wind at
the shore.  Maybe an 8 weight would do just as well?

Does anyone have any experience with these or other suitable rods?

As far as reels go -- the Orvis DX-R's look solid as does the Scientific
Anglers System 2 reels.  Thoughts anyone?


Jim Caldwell
Ithaca N.Y.
From: tomg@hpcvxph (Thomas J. Gilg)
Subject: Re: Palmered hackle?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:57:46 GMT

> ... I thought that palmering a hackle is to lay it parallel to the shank
> of the hook and tie it in along its length.  This is as apposed to winding
> the hackle, as in a wooley worm.

Palmering is just wrapping a hackle with visual space between the wraps.

I don't know the name for a lengthwise hackle tie - maybe Matuka ?

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com

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From: tlawton@encore.com (Tom Lawton)
Subject: Re: News from Joyce King - ala keys report
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:36:49 GMT
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation

shelley@b30!b11.ingr.com (Shelley Read Heard) writes:

>For friends of Joyce King - author of the Keys Report on alt.fishing,
>I have news.  Joyce sent email saying that she and Fred are ok.  The 
>keys are off limits (no water, electricity, etc) and they cannot get
>back there to see if the house is still standing.  Joyce was back in 
>Indiana during the storm; Fred had evacuated to Central Fla.

The 'road' to the Keys has been reopenned and those that have business
there can get through.  My understanding was/is that Key Largo - the
northern most key - had minimal damage.  I believe the King's live in
Islamorada which is south of there.  God willing they will find all
they own in decent shape.

I work in Fort Lauderdale - live in Boca - and neither place is that bad
off - compared to south Dade county.  Mostly downed trees and power out-
ages.

To keep the vein on fishing - just prior to the storm the big old bass
were hitting!  Saw a guy fishing a small pond drag out a 5.5lber!
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From: Tim Dudley <dudley.chi@xerox.com>
Subject: Palmered hackle?
Organization: bnr
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:19:12 GMT

Can somebody please explain the phrase "palmer the hackle"?

Thanks - 

Tim
 
"Sink the Bass Boats!"
Me, after a week on Lower Saranac Lake
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From: bc@col.hp.com (Bryan Call)
Subject: Re: fyi: Oregon's Anadromous Fishery
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:55:46 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Tom, 

By all means keep posting this kind of valuable information.  It
tends to point out vividly that the issues are far more complex
than how the Spotted Owl will fare under the current rate of 
resource destruction.  There are quite a few folks who just don't
give a hoot! :-)  The concept of jobs vs. jobs is much easier for
most people to identify with.  Fishermen, hunters, bird watchers
and other focused interest groups just do not have the horsepower
to stop habitat destruction on their own.  Put it in terms of $
and you get the attention of the voters.

Bryan


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From: epbjork@ravel.udel.edu (Bjorkstedt Eric P)
Subject: Re: Bluegill, Sunnies, Pumkinseeds, etc.
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:05:07 GMT

In article <920824090844@joker.ftp.com> rodin@ftp.com writes:
>In article <14202@auspex-gw.auspex.com> daryl@bovill.auspex.com (Daryl Starr) writes:
>    Curious that the field guide doesn't list the western states
>    as part of the range for any of these fish! We have all of them out here.
>
>Yeah, I wonder about this too.  I think the ranges specified in the Audubon
>Field Guides are suspect.  I noticed that according this field guide,
>there are no black bass (largemouth or smallmouth) in New England.  (I wonder
>what those fish I've been catching are?)  Otherwise, the Audubon Guides are 
>excellent guides.
>
>Jon

I had heard that these fish we're not indigenous to the West, but had been 
transplanted.  This is only hearsay, mind you, and from a number of years
ago.  Has anyone else heard anything like this.  It seems to me that the
foot(hugemountains)hills of the Rockies (I'm from Pa, so the Mountains of 
the West are HUGE to me) would be a formidable barrier to natural colonization
by a speciesof pond-o-philic sunfish.  Perhaps the Guides are correct from
a natural history standpoint.


Eric Bjorkstedt				epbjork@chopin.udel.edu

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TOP 10 THINGS MARINE BIOLOGISTS DO
10. Look at fish
9.  Desparately search for single mermaids & mermen
8.  Post requests on sci.engr.civ for help with sandcastles
7.  Study fish, and the occasional octopus
6.  Attend "Save the whales, they're neat" conferences
5.  Apply more sunscreen
4.  Lie to credit officers so they can buy a boat
3.  Watch "The Fishin' Hole" on Sunday mornings
2.  Become one with the fish and all the other spirits of the sea
1.  Look longingly at accountants and the big bucks they're making 
    (perhaps a bit more appropriate in the gluttonous eighties, no?)

Hey, I'm a marine biologist myself (and a part-time Chaetodipterus faber,
Octopus vulgaris, and Homarus americanus)
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From: bpencek@nevada.edu (Bruce Pencek)
Subject: Re: Fall/Winter Wear for Outer Banks
Organization: Political Science Department, UNLV
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.021036.13358@seas.gwu.edu> ajg@seas.gwu.edu (Alan Goldschen) writes:
>Fellow Fishers:
>
>I noticed some one mentioned earlier about fishing the POINT at Buxton /
>Cape Hatteras NC during October and November.  I have never gone during
>this time but have heard many GOOD fishing (true) stories.
>
>But, what is the best type of clothing to wear during this time?  Is it
>good to wear neoprene waders?  Are wool pants just as good?  Do you need
>special gloves like Gortex?  Any other clothing recomendations?

Alan:

It's been a while since I was able to fish that side of the country, but...
The simple, unsatisfying answer to your questions is "Maybe.  It depends on
the weather."  It can be warm and sunny or windy, cold, and damp.  I like
neoprenes in the surf not only for warmth but also because they expose less
of me to the waves.  Sand can be hard on felt-soled wading shoes; I got a pair
of hiking boots on sale (which I also use when wading wet) for dealing with
sandy beaches and bays.  A snug rain jacket to cover the top of the waders
comes in handy in the surf.  There are times all along the Outer Banks, fall
especially, though when you won't have to get wet at all to cast to schools
of fish.  Consider getting in touch with someone who advertises in "Salt
Water Sportsman" magazine for advice about clothes, gear, tactics, and
accommodations (fall is popular there, and I don't know about the availability
-- or desirability -- of camping spaces).  Try Jack and Mary Gray, Tower Circle
Motel, PO Box 88, Buxton, NC  27920; 919/995-5353. (They were toying with
retiring last time I was in touch, about four years ago, so that abit of
advice might be no good.  But it's a start...)

Enjoy yourself.

Bruce Pencek
Political Science
University of Nevada, Las Vegas
bpencek@nevada.edu


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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:38:44 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Sep2.131028.5925@pixel.kodak.com> fbrown@ssd.kodak.com (Frank Brown) writes:
>That's a fact and sometimes they don't look where they are going. I ran over
>one a couple summers ago. The guy was in front of me and to my left. He was
>traveling in the same direction I was( I was at full throttle headed back to
>the dock after a great day of catching bass AND trout) when he fell off of
>his jet ski. The family remarked hey look the guy fell. Well the A**hole
>climbs back on, guns it and makes a right turn. I had no chance to avoid him.
>He went right under the boat and disappeared. I was afraid I had killed him.
>A moment or two later he and the jet ski bobbed to the surface. I got them
>to land someone had called the sheriff already. He was cited for unsafe 
>operation but that did not pay for my ruined prop or the pallor that it
>cast upon a beautiful day.

This reminds me of some downhill skiing experiences.  Maybe you should
cross-post to rec.skiing.


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-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
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From: Tim Dudley <dudley.chi@xerox.com>
Subject: re: Include State in Postings????
Organization: bnr
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:08:04 GMT

I agree with this - that was an oversight on my part to not be
more specific about the location in my posting.  This would be 
particularly useful for postings to/from Europe, UK, Aus, NZ, etc.
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: dannyl@fraser.sfu.ca (Danny Sui-Kit Leung)
Subject: Changing Lines in a tube...
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:44:22 GMT


    Hello all,

    I have a query about changing lines while bobbin' in my float tube. Just
how do I do it? When I take off the spool and get it all packed away, and pull
out the next one, I have an utter fear of dropping everything into the drink.
I guess that would include spool and line as well as rod and reel! My rod might
float (havent tested it) but I suspect the reel would severely hinder its
floating capabilities. And I think you can add myself to the list of lost
items as I would probably fall out while trying to retrieve that rapidly
sinking rod ;).

   My main concern is how to thread the line through the guides? I have a 10'
G-Loomis, and my arms dont seem to be nearly long enough :). Up till now, I
use one of two strategies...1) Stop complaining and use the line I already got,
or 2) Beach myself, change lines, then lumber back out there. Obviously, Im
a novice tuber, and I suspect that there is a ridiculously easy method of
accomplishing said feat. However, even if you possess the greatest manual
dexterity in the world, I'll bet that even you veterans change your spools
with great care :).

   So how is it done? Do you use safety clips and what not to guard against
 mishaps? Thanx in advance....


     Dan Leung
    dannyl@sfu.ca
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:45:34 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <Sep02.163844.45366@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
|In article <1992Sep2.131028.5925@pixel.kodak.com| fbrown@ssd.kodak.com (Frank Brown) writes:
|>That's a fact and sometimes they don't look where they are going. I ran over
|>one a couple summers ago. The guy was in front of me and to my left. He was
|>traveling in the same direction I was( I was at full throttle headed back to
|>the dock after a great day of catching bass AND trout) when he fell off of
|>his jet ski. The family remarked hey look the guy fell. Well the A**hole
|>climbs back on, guns it and makes a right turn. I had no chance to avoid him.
|>He went right under the boat and disappeared. I was afraid I had killed him.
|>A moment or two later he and the jet ski bobbed to the surface. I got them
|>to land someone had called the sheriff already. He was cited for unsafe 
|>operation but that did not pay for my ruined prop or the pallor that it
|>cast upon a beautiful day.
 
Wow.  Scary story.  I saw a special on 60 minutes (I think) about jet skiers,
and generally irresponsible watercraft operators.  They showed an accident that
was captured on video of a 12 year old kid being struck and killed by a 
powerboat.  I remember a place that my parents used to take us in the SF
Delta when I was a kid.  We used to camp out there almost every other weekend
and waterskied and fished.  The resort had built some bleachers next to
the boat ramp.  We used to sit there and watch the boat owners try to back
the trailer down the ramp and generally provided some humorous antics.  Many
of these people had spent the entire day drinking out in the hot sun all day.
Quite often we saw boats that had been involved in collisions on the delta.
Irresponsible boat operators is quite a problem.

|This reminds me of some downhill skiing experiences.  Maybe you should
|cross-post to rec.skiing.
 
You mean like "on your left...on your LEFT. NO YOU IDIOT, YOUR OTHER LEFT", or
the "intermediate" skier that has perfected "the three turns, build up lots
of speed and get completely out of control until they crash" technique.

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| John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |
| johnf@auspex.com                                                           |
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From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: kite-fishing
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:20:39 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.

My brother and I have played quite a bit with our kites in the past.
We have done everything from running antennas up the string, or using
a wire string as an antenna for radio operation, to fishing of the string.

What we did, was modified a technique from Poland used in balloon fishing.
The baloon fishing involves filling a small balloon, and connecting it to
your line with a thing rubber band.  Then dangle bait or a lure at whatever
height you feel is necessary.  We also made up special rubber bands connected
to a small washer to allow the string to slip for a small amount of depth
control thought this works much better on the kite than with the balloon.

The balloon would then be used to carry the line out away from the peer
(in the direction of the wind of course)  When a fish hits, either the
rubber band breaks or the balloon bursts, and you real em in.  The balloon
also works as a bobber.

In the case of the kite, we let out enough line, till the kite refused
to take any more vertically, then connect the rubber band (and optionally
the washer that goes around the fishing line - ie you don`t lose your washer)
let the kite string out to where you want to fish, and have fun.  The kite
string will usually react to a hit rather visually, and you can even control
the position of your bait reasonably well down wind.
With the washer on the line (if it doesn't decide to twist up on you - I
highly suggest the use of a swivel) gives you control over the whole system
rather effectively...

swood

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From: pro016@muvms3.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: RE: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:48:39 GMT
Organization: Marshall University

  I HOPE NO ONE WILL TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY, WE ARE ALL FISHERMAN ON THIS

NETWORK, RIGHT? OK, I FISH FOR ALL SPECIES OF FISH WITH ALL TYPES OF RODS

AND REELS. NOW, IM NOT TAKING ANY SIDES HERE BECAUSE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE

ON THIS NETWORK HAVE HELPED ME PLAN SUCCESSFUL FISHING TRIPS TO OTHER

STATES. I ENJOY READING THE POSTS ON HERE, AND A LOT OF GOOD INFO IS 

SHARED. YOU ALWAYS HAVE JERKS EVERYWHERE THAT CAN PUT A DAMPER ON

GOOD BASS/TROUT FISHING(etc.)  I HOPE THIS NEWSGROUP DOESN'T BECOME

DIVIDED BY FISHERMAN WHO ARE PURISTS !!!  LETS ALL KEEP AN OPEN MIND

AND TRY TO REMEMBER THAT THERE ARE BEGINNERS OUT THERE THAT CAN USE 

OUR HELP AND PROBABLY A FEW SO CALLED PROS HAVE PICKED UP A FEW POINTERS.

 WELL TIGHT LINES AND KEEP POSTING     PAUL


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From: fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Frank Kruppenbacher)
Subject: Re: Line protectant
Reply-To: fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 11:53:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.211223.29585@menudo.uh.edu>, 
HADCDJAC@admin.uh.edu (CARINI, JOHN A) writes:
>
>
>Can anybody tell me what is the best and cheapest way to protect
>fly lines from ageing? I've been using "Armor All (?)"
>and wonder if this is the best treatment. I do a lot of saltwater
>wade-fishing in the Gulf and consequently my lines get a good dose
>of salt and UV.
>
>Thanks,
>John

Armor-All Cleaner (in the blue-labelled bottle) is what I clean my line with
first. The I use Armor-All Protectant (in the black-labelled bottle) to treat
the fly line. The key for me is to clean the line first instead of just using
the protectant all the time and driving the dirt deeper and deeper into the
line.  One line I've been fishing with for 4 years now has been cleaned and
protected in this manner since I bought it, and you'd have a hard time finding
a single crack in it.  

Unlike my buddy's lines. He 'cleans' with the protectant
only or silicone. He goes through fly lines like they are monofiliment! My
other friend has gone through no less than 4 different Scientific Anglers
Mastery 4 wt.fwd. lines this season alone. He claims it was a manufacturers 
defect.  After one weeks fishing and the line was heavily cracked in the first
20 feet. He 'cleaned' the line with silicone alone. And left the line on the
reel on the back window sill of his car in the sun.  Not to knock SA lines.
Orvis lines are SA lines in colors not available from SA.  My oldest line is an
SA line and I like it alot.  There's so much dirt and crap in the waters these
days that I need to clean and protect all my lines each time I go flyfishing.
For what it's worth, the other lines I like a lot are Cortland 444s.  

When I fly fish and when extra line floatability is desired, I use Muceilin
(sp) Silicone (in the small green-labelled plastic 'tin').

I cannot begin to tell you what works best for saltwater flyfishing. Don't they
have special fly lines for saltwater?  Seems like saltwater would strip off the
Armor-All pretty quickly. Silicone too.

                                       Frank
From: jbcst+@pitt.edu (John B Coxey)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Bass vs. Trout vs. People
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:43:38 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Sep01.191400.80775@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick) writes:
>In article <Xjl-AAC@engin.umich.edu> Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu (Robert Drongowski) writes:
>>
>>I agree with this person.  Additionally, what is more bothersome to me
>>are WATERSKIER's and, becoming a big problem in my area (Michigan), JET
>>SKI's. 
>
>Agreed. Just when you thought waterskier-s were a problem, they are nothing
>compared to the jet ski's, which can go in shallower water. Here in
>Ft. Collins they are a real nuisance, and they get so close to your
>fishing line!
>
>I've thought about tying on a treble hook, and start casting when one gets
>too close. Maybe if they are "snagged" they'll learn to keep their
>distance :-)
>
>At least, then, I could catch something -- they sure f**k up the fishing
>
>Pat Fitzpatrick

---------

Here in PA.  We have the same problem with people inertubing down Spring
and Elk Creek.  These streams are generally 2-3 feet deep and around
20-25 feet wide in most places.  At FFParadise (Bellefonte,PA-Spring 
Creek), the regs state no-one is allowed to wade or swim in the water,
yet, I've seen people come on right through there in innertubes.

On the Yough, River (Ohiopyle,Pa), we have the same problem with
white water rafters.  Although they don't seem to spook the fish as
much (bigger/faster stream/river).  But, it is a pain to reel in
the line to let a raft go buy.  The tables turned this week though,
some
guy  apparently drowned there over the weekend.  They are still
looking for his body.

Latre.

John Coxey
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