From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: mtl.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: Denied access to English schools?
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:36:49 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <1992Aug25.085646.12416@spxtech.qc.ca> steven@spxtech.qc.ca (Steve Potter) writes:
>From article <1992Aug25.063838.25321@cc.umontreal.ca>, by dignard@ERE.UMontreal.CA  Michel Dignard waxes:-
>
>> Je me retiens d'exprimer le profond degout que ce debat m'inspire,
>> avec le mepris du Quebec et de son histoire, et de sa longue tradition
>> democratique qui s'en degage.
>> 
>> Je me console en pensant que de nombreux nouveaux venus apprendront
>> a l'ecole "Les animaux malades de la peste" de Jean de La Fontaine,
>> et que certains d'entre eux decouvriront peut-etre qui est le lion 
>> et qui est l'agneau de la fable.
>> 
>> Je vais donc exprimer ces quelques mots, a titre strictement personnel.
>> 
>> From now on in this article, let us thus "speak white", as those of
>> my generation - and I personnally - were often told when trying to
>> speak their "native" language west of St Lawrence Blvd, in Montreal,
>> some 30 years ago. And where, at 5 minutes from the Universite de Montreal
>> campus, one had great difficulty being understood in French at the
>> hospital, some 20 years ago.
>
>
>  "speak white" - interesting choice since Quebec's limitation on access
>  to English schools is similar to that for access to "white" schools in
>  South Africa.
>
 
Dummy or illiterate you are, Steve.  "Speak White" is a frequent
demonstration of racist of anglos against francos.
Moreover, your comparison with South Africa is quite similar to Nazi
comparison.  Why don't you prepare to come back to your England?

>> 
>> So, let us leave this facist, racist and paranoid country,
>> where not only any individual have always been free to speak
>> the language of his choice, 
>
>  WRONG!!!!
>
>  More than 10,000 English-speaking children are not allowed to attend
>  school in their own language.
>
>  (Not to mention Bill 178)
>

7 millions of francos where assimilated and humiliated because of
illegal laws in Western Canada.  We just don't care about your silly
problem.

>> but where the English community
>> has only 3 universities, its own public school system, from primary level
>> to college level inclusive,
>
>  Not all members of the English community have access to these facilities
>  in Quebec!!!!!
>

It is their choice.  Most anglos outside of Montreal lived for 2 centuries
like if they were in England.  It is the slave revolt, no more privilege.
Point.

>> its own hospitals ..., all of this guaranteed
>> in the laws and voted in English.
>
>  WRONG!
>
>  Bill 101 prohibits access to English school in Quebec from more than
>  10,000 English-speaking children.
>

You are annoying everybody with your limited mind.

>> Let us leave this segregationist country
>> where the English community is not only guaranteed to survive, but wants
>> further to assimilate to itself a great majority of the new arrivers.
>
>  WRONG AGAIN!
>
>  ALL "new arrivers" are required to send their children to French school
>  in Quebec.
>
>  Quebec governmant policy is for "All immigrants must be assimilated".
>

Because it will be elected, if it do so.  Thus, you will have to
convince 3 millions of electors they are wrong.  With what you shown
until now, you have no chance.

>  The English community gets a small percentage of "new arrivers" and
>  most of those move out of Quebec pretty darn quickly when they find
>  out how racist, discriminatory, fascist and intolerant this province is.

Why don't you move yourself, instead of insulting Quebec and Quebecois???

>
>
>> [With fascist laws, proportion has dropped from 80% to 40%, I think.
>>  Historians, please refer to Prof. Castonguay numerous studies on the
>> subject.]
>
>  I'll look this up to confirm but I'm sure it is much less than 40%!
>
>> 
>> So, let us go to a NON FASCIST, NON RACIST, NON PARANOID country.
>> Choices are numerous, I guess, in the kingdom. One could go to the USA,
>> CANADA, ... Let us choose Toronto, for example. 
>
>  Quebec is part of Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We don't care.  Quebec is not yet part in the 1982 constitution.

>
>> 
>> THERE, this debate could be held in french. THERE, I could go to hospital
>> or McDonald's (note the 's that Liberty has given us), and spontaneously
>> address myself in french. THERE, I would have the BASIC RIGHT to send my
>> children to a public french school system, from primary level to University.
>> [Of course, the same democratic rights apply in USA, Germany, UK, Japan,
>> and all civilized and civilised world where this kind of defamation (?)
>> is generally diffused and naively received. (*) / french proverb:
>> "A beau mentir qui vient de loin".].
>> 
>> THERE, I would have numerous french radio and TV stations to listen to,
>> a great local french newspaper to defend my rights. THERE, I would not
>> fear to advertise my commerce in French, thinking this would make the
>> potential clients flee. THERE, together, we would impose french as
>> the general communication language in Society (does this word exists
>> THERE ?). Well, not impose, really; let us say propagate, promote,...
>> on a true, fair play, free equality of chances; may be a bit Darwinian,
>> if you like.
>> 
>> THERE, French would be freely used and generally understood at work.
>> BECAUSE, THERE, there is no fascist laws. No. Only the LAW OF THE
>> MARKET and the LAW OF SILENCE apply there. So, THERE, plenty of
>> immigrants would chose french as their daily functional language
>> in society. And no paranoid would fear that in only a few years from now,
>> Toronto, the heart and lungs of Ontario, would become a majoritarily french
>> city.. Because, THERE, they would not have waited that the french community
>> has nearly come to extinction before beginning affording all those BASIC RIGHTS.
>> And they would surely not have waited that individuals beg for them, gently.
>> 
>
>  What is all this about?
>
>> I could probably continue describing this paradise, were it not so far
>> from here...
>
>  oh.
>
>  I think he's trying to suggest that the English minority in Quebec is
>  the most privileged in the world. So that justifies trying to take their
>  individual liberties away, right?

Actually, it was for centuries, but now the paradise is out.  Noway to
come back.  Not for people like you, at least.

>
>  What this has to do with denying access to English schools in Quebec is
>  not discernible.
>
>> 
>> Look at FACTS and REALITY, not at LAWS.
>
>  In other words: "Please don't take any notice of our restrictive laws
>  that infringe on individual rights and liberties and fundamental human
>  freedoms. You must understand that these things are necessary to ensure
>  the vitality of our culture."
>
>> 
>> (*) In a relatively very recent history, Province of New-Brunswick,
>>     Canada, is the only place outside of Quebec, I think, to give
>>     its french minority (40%) decent rights. 
>
>  Please explain: "decent rights".
>
>  Please quote source.
>
>  The figure quoted makes no sense.
>
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>  ||| Steve Potter:         steven%spxtech@CAM.ORG                     |||
>  ||| Expertise/Experience: Computer Systems Engineering / Real Ale /  |||
>  |||                       Politics in Education in Quebec            |||


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