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From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: N Tahoe fatalities
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:17:30 GMT
Organization: Fly GlenAir
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 Hopefully people will learn from this type of unfortunate incident. In
 conditions like we had last week there are some really really good ideas
 that folks should consider...even when skiing within the boundries of
 a ski area:

   1) Ski/Ride with a buddy. If they can't help you out at least they can
      go get the patrol.

   2) If you intend to ski in avalanche/powder conditions then go buy
      an avalanche tranceiver. Learn how to use it. Practice. Make sure
      your buddy has a tranceiver and knows how to use it. See #1.

   3) Carry an avalanche shovel. These are small, lightweight, and do
      nothing to impede your skiing. They're also useful for digging out
      your car. Make sure your buddy has a shovel. See #1.

 No I'm not joking about this stuff. Anybody at Squaw last week should have
 noticed that virtually all of the patrollers were carrying shovels. We
 also were all wearing beacons. We don't do this to look cool, we do it
 for self preservation!

 Don't fall into the trap of thinking that just because you're in a ski
 area you're safe from avalanches. We had one kid buried up to his neck
 under the chair line. I kicked off several avalanches (on purpose) and
 ended up skiing in one (accidentally). Let's be careful out there..

 ..glen
From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Bindings
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:49:37 GMT
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden

>clv2m@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles Viles) writes:

>So I have two questions
>  - Is this a good idea (i.e. replacing just the bindings)?

Why not, if the skis still have some life in them.

>  - What kind of bindings should I look at.

Well, my opinion is that all high-end bindings are about the same, ie rather
good. My personal favorites are Salomon. I've used various models extensively 
for some years in all kinds of snow without any problems. They're easy to get
into when (not if :->) you fall, even if there's deep snow. 

cheers

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From: novick@ogicse.ogi.edu (David G. Novick)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skis to Boards
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:00:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.47945
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR
In-reply-to: mccubbin@connext.ucs.sfu.ca's message of 4 Jan 93 06:36:18 GMT

At Mount Hood Ski Bowl (in Oregon), we have patrollers who use
snowboards exclusively while on duty.  I've only seen them in the
upper bowl; I assume that's because the long flat stretch at the
bottom of the lower bowl would be difficult for them.  The upper bowl
is where all the steeps and cliffs lurk.

--David

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From: harsant@margana.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: skiing of course
Organization: Telecom Research Labs. Melbourne, Vic, Australia
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 08:45:39 GMT


Can anyone tell me what the weather is going to be like at Jackson Hole
on Feb 7th at 9:23 am?  Will I be skiing in fresh powder?  I need to
know what wax to put on my skis.

:-)

I'm skiing JH for a week, Snowbird from 13th Feb, Aspen from 20th,
Crested Butte/Telluride from 27th Feb (on a trip with John Byrnes and
other HP persons), rounding off with a week (probably around Summit
County/Beaver Creek/Steamboat) from 8th March.  (I couldn't mention
V..l   3.0, now could I). If anyone wants to make some tracks with a 
worn out 37 yo Aussie powderhound, drop me a line.

4 weeks to go!

cheers

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From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Ammendment 2 and skiing
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:57:09 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM
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In article 13416@bmw.mayo.edu, fahje@cvdv80.mayo.edu () writes:
>
>
>
>
>>This group is about skiing, skiing anywhere!  The ammendment 2 issue
>>can be debated in many other groups.  Whether you choose to ski in 
>>Colorado or not and why or why not is YOUR BUSINESS.  Keep off-topic
>>political bullshit out of this area!  Thanks!
>
>I agree.  Isn't it about time this group taked about skiing?
>
>I'd rather read about snowboarding!!
>
>Martin H. Fahje                              Internet: mfahje@mayo.edu



Incidentally, the boycott seems a moot point, since I believe Colorado ski resort
business is up something like 20% this year?
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: N Tahoe region 1/9-10/93
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 01:14:59 GMT

Location: Squaw, Alpine
Dates: 9 and 10 Jan. 1993
Elevation: 6200 ft.
Snow Level 3000
Snow Depth: 102 in
Weather: day starts sunny, turns into cloudy storm
9: 3-6 in new, on top of a rain crust (overnight).
10: 6 inch, new (overnight). Alpine has better snow
	some sun crust developing on S exposure on ridges
Density: 0.2
Winds: W 0-30 MPH (gusts)
Temps: 15-30 F
Lift lines: none
Driving: chains and/or 4WD
Avalanche Hazard: very high
X-C wax: blue stick

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From: bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.video,rec.photo
Subject: Re: Anyone take their camcorder skiing this season? (hints wanted)
Date: 12 Jan 1993 20:16:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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In a previous article, tj@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Terry Jones) says:

>The lighting is a problem. Camcorders average the scene which makes 
>skiers black blobs. Iris override is usually too difficult to make it work
>properly. Same problems in still photography. Sure I can overexpose pretty
>easily when I shoot to compensate, but inevitably the photo lab does
>a scene average for printing and all my work gets undone!

Well, being the neophile video camera person I am, I have very limited 
knowledge on this subject.  When the camcorders average the scene, usually
you loose detail big-time with the skier (this is what I'm told, and what
people have said.)  So do you enhance exposure (I have the Sony TR71, and
you can set manual exposure.)  So basically what happens is the snow gets
REAL bright (no detail) but you may get some detail in the skier (but maybe
some 'fringing' too???)  Would this be something to fool around with to
get a decent picture???  Also, I am told various filters can be used to
compensate for lighting conditions.  Last night the dealer at the camera
store told me for an indoor scene with various light bulb sources you can
use something like an 80A or 80B filter (I'm not sure if this is right, I
think those are the numbers he said) to help with the lighting conditions.
So is there a filter type we could use to help with filming skiiers/snow?
I don't want to end up being a BLACK BLOB!!!!!
 
					Derek


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From: wesloskij@kirk.msoe.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Need a condo in Summit!
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:18:50 CDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, WI USA


	My friends and I are looking to go to Summit county during the
first week in March, and we need accomidations!!  Our party will consist
of about six people.  Does anyone have information on lodging for relatively
cheap prices.  We're looking to spend about $120 - $160 per night, so we can
each pay for one days worth.  I posted a message months ago and received 
great responses, but I lost all of my contacts.  If you can help me out
it would be greatly appreciated!!!  Thanks in advance!!!!

John Wesloski  
Wesloskij@kirk.msoe.edu
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From: grleach@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (grleach)
Subject: Ski Bindings forsale
Organization: University of Waterloo Software Liberation Army
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:29:17 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

I have some Marker MRR bindings for sale.  I got them for christmas, but as 
I already had a pair mounted on my skis, they are not much use.  I am asking
$150 Canadian plus shipping, but I will consider any reasonable offer.

	Respond by E-Mail to this account

			Thanks

				Gerrard
From: fewings@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Fewings David)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Canting and wedging..
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:24:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan12.042435.28528
Distribution: rec
Organization: Western Washington University

brown@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ronald S. Brown) writes:

>Does anyone have any information about canting or wedging bindings or boots
>to correct for bow-leggedness?  I have a cant adjustment on my Lange boots
>but I need a few more degrees to get my skis perfectly flat.  I have heard
>about custom insoles and binding wedges but, which works the best?  Shops I
>have talked to only do the custom insoles.  Anyone out there with a similar 
>problem?  Will the insoles do the trick?

No! Insole adjustments will not do it.  For boot adjustment you need an adjustment that changes the angle between the bottom of the SOLE of the boot where it enters the bindings and the UPPER BOOT where it hugs the CALF of your leg.  Failing that, canting wedges that go under the ski bindings are better than nothing.  I bought Raichle Flex boots this year and put in the maximum adjustment.  WHAT A DIFFERENCE!  I'm able to ski with a much narrower stance and I now catch an outside edge MUCH less often.  Wel

l worth the trouble and expense.  I tried the insole adjustment recommended by shops.  Worthless!  Just makes the boots uncomfortable and doesn't change the cant of the skis at all, which is what common sense told me before I even tried it.

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From: hvgre@usho57.hou281.chevron.com (W. Verney Green)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Ski report from Steamboat, CO
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:37:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Chevron

Happy New Year,

I skied  days at Steamboat over the holidays (Dec 30, 31, Jan 1);
it was my first time there in 11 years.  The
snow was great - nice and soft with very few rocks.  It
snowed all day the first day so we had some powder in the morning of
the second day.  Shadows is still delightful with lots of trees and
powder, unfortunately Twilight has been thinned a lot.  The
afternoon made for great mogul skiing.  White Out is still
the best mogul run I have ever seen and the bumpers in Steamboat are
fantastic.  Witness the tribute to Steamboats olympians in the
Thunderhead lodge that has pictures of about 6 members of the
1992 Albertville mogul squad. Steamboat has done a great job with
upgrading lifts to increase uphill capacity, though making
some runs a bit crowded.  The covered high-speed quads are
really top notch.  My only complaint is the food prices on the
mountain were outrageous, as were accommodation.  Lift tickets
were $39, which seems comparable to other Colorado resorts.
Snow depths were reported as 36/44. 

I then had to drive to Seattle.  I hope all you folks in Utah
enjoyed the snow that I did not have time to ski (Jan 2nd) and ditto
for those in the Snoqualimi Pass area (Jan 3rd).

Next stops, back to Crested Butte in two weeks, and Aspen in four
weeks.  All those frequent flier miles came to fruition at the
right time ;-).

Think Snow,

verney
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From: 12mwingfield@gallua.gallaudet.edu
Subject: ski report in northeastern??
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:06:34 GMT

Yo, can anyone out there, give me the sites for checking out ski report of
northeastern region??

Peace, dudes!!

Wingfield
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From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: tire chains
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:37:06 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Tom Goodwin (tom@uts.amdahl.com) wrote:

> R3 is chains for all;  probably to slow people down as much as anything.
>    This is why you need to carry chains.  You don't see this a lot.
> 
> R4 *I think* is 4WD with chains only, no 2WD.  

 Close. There are only 3 levels in Ca. What Tom has listed as R4 is 
 actually R3. We actually saw a fair ammount of R3 on local roads last
 week in Tahoe (particularly Brockaway Summit). I-80 rarely goes R3, they
 just close it.

 ..glen
From: jss@greeble.Eng.Sun.COM (Josh Sirota)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: tire chains
Date: 8 Jan 93 00:13:57 GMT
Reply-To: jss@greeble.Eng.Sun.COM
Distribution: ca
Organization: SunSoft, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: greeble

Tom Goodwin (tom@uts.amdahl.com) wrote:
>> R3 is chains for all;  probably to slow people down as much as anything.
>>    This is why you need to carry chains.  You don't see this a lot.
>> 
>> R4 *I think* is 4WD with chains only, no 2WD.  
> 
>  Close. There are only 3 levels in Ca. What Tom has listed as R4 is 
>  actually R3. We actually saw a fair ammount of R3 on local roads last
>  week in Tahoe (particularly Brockaway Summit). I-80 rarely goes R3, they
>  just close it.

I'm a little confused because I haven't seen any of these quoted articles (I
grabbed this from a reply to these).

Anyway, I'm considering buying an all-wheel-drive car, but these R1, R2, and
R3 ratings don't mean anything to me.  If I call the CalTrans phone number
to get road information, they say either "the road is open with no
restrictions", or "chains or snow tires are required", or "chains are
required", or "the road is closed."  Do these correspond to R1, R2, R3, and
"closed"?  In which of those cases can a 4WD vehicle with snow tires go
without chains?

Surely in some of these cases, AWD vehicles can go without chains where 2WD
vehicles require them.  When is that?  Is there any way to find things out
more specifically than what the 800/427-ROAD number says (i.e., can I get
the "R" value somehow?)  Or if they say it's open, should I just head on up
and assume/hope that I won't have to put chains on?

How often does AWD mean that I won't have to put on chains when the general
2WD public are freezing their fingers off putting on chains by the side of
the road?

Josh
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From: jar3e@Virginia.EDU ("Joel A. Rosen")
Subject: Re: Experiencing Utah!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:59:58 GMT

I have skied at several places, in Utah and elsewhere, and I
would agree enthusiatically. The best days I have ever had on a
mountain were at Alta.  Hike to the less accessible places. Its
worth the effort.  My only complaint is long lift lines
(especially for a "major" ski area) But considering the lower
lift price, I dont complain.

Where is there to stay for cheap at Alta (besides the dorms)

Joel Rosen UVA SEAS jar3e@virginia.edu
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From: wiltz@after (David Wiltz)
Subject: Taos/Jackson in mid March
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 04:43:14 GMT

Hello all.
As the name might suggest, I'm looking for opinions on
past conditions at Taos and/or Jackson Hole.

Thanx in advance.
-Dave

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From: launce@medusa.med.utah.edu (Tri-Ungulate)
Subject: Re: Skiing In Southern Utah
Organization: Trifurcate-Hooved Ruminant Surveyors, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: 12 Jan 93 17:29:53

In article <1ivbgpINNjpo@hpsdl210.sdd.hp.com> tmm@sdd.hp.com (Tim McDonough) writes:
>   Does anybody out there have some information of the ski resorts located in
>   southern Utah.

Brianhead and Elk Meadows (formerly Mt. Holly Ski Area) are the two
lift-serviced resorts in So. Utah. Those willing to go backcountry can
find a plethora of opportunities in the region, especially in the La
Sal Mountains near Moab. X-C (track) skiing is available in many of
the parks, notably Bryce canyon (via Ruby's Inn) and Cedar Breaks
(near Brianhead).  

My impressions of the alpine resorts: Brianhead is OK, but the terrain
is not terribly challenging unless you're willing (and able if patrol
permits) to climb high above the lifts.  When I went there last
season, the snow was dumping and the cover was great light powder.
The view of Cedar Breaks is great on clear days, and the XC
opportunities are terrific.  Lodging in Cedar City about 40' away is
inexpensive (we paid about $25/night for two).   

Elk Meadows is an hour or two North on I-15, and I liked it much
better.  The snow was great, the people were very friendly and the
runs were a lot of fun.  Lodging is sparser, especially around the
resort.

Southern Utah has been getting their share of the big storms coming
through lately, so their cover should be excellent.  However, like
Taos, they get more exposure and subsequent ice & melting between snows.    

Email me if you have any other questions. I'll try to answer them.

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From: mhoyt@crchh47.BNR.CA (Michael Hoyt)
Subject: Looking for a CONDO (UTAH, Colorado, or Lake Tahoe)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:03:18 GMT
Reply-To: mhoyt@crchh47.BNR.CA (Michael Hoyt)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

I am searching for a condo to rent around Feb. 24-25 for 3 to 4 
nights.  My first choice is Utah in Little Cottonwood.  There will
be 3 to 4 people so something small and affordable would suffice.  

With this killer winter, we don't have to follow the snow.  So our
plans are quite flexible.  As I have stated Little Cottonwood Canyon
(Utah) is our preference but anything in S. Lake Tahoe or Colorado 
would be great.  

If you have a condo or know of one available during this time, please
call with all the details.

Thanks in advance!!

Michael Hoyt 

home (214) 530-9224
work (214) 684-1398
From: kennb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Colorado Ski Report
Date: 5 Jan 93 16:36:36 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <1993Jan5.160149.1972@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris) writes:
>Oh give up on this bigot. Your not going to change his mind. What's the


And while you're at it - ski Colorado.


Boycott Colorado?   NOT!


KB

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From: echo@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Super U.S. citizen, super achiever . . .)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing,rec.photo
Subject: Help photographing in snow
Keywords: photography, lighting, skiing
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:53:45 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


Hey.  I'm going up to Squaw this weekend to partake of the fresh snow.
Since I'm going with some friends I haven't seen in a while and since
they're both pretty good skiers, I've decided I'd like to take some
action shots, such as from downhill as they hit moguls, around jumps,
up above drops, and other cool things.

The reason I mention this is because I imagine the snow and ice might
pose some odd problems for taking pictures.  If anybody has ever done
this (obviously they have or else ski mags would be pretty dull :),
could you give me few pointers, such as:

I'm assuming I should be over exposing by about a stop because of the
reflective quality of ice and snow, right?  More?

What's good film, ASA, any problems with equipment in cold weather (I
have a Minolta X-700 with a couple of zoom lenses I plan to take).

Any other bits of wisdom or factors I might not know about?  I'm a
beginning to imtermediate photographer, with an artist's eye but with
the artist's concomitant disdain for technical knowledge :)

Thanx for your help.  If there's interest in this subject, just post the
answers or email me and I'll summarize.

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From: broder@src.dec.com (Andrei Broder)
Subject: Re: tire chains
Reply-To: broder@src.dec.com
Organization: DEC Systems Research Center
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 05:35:08 GMT

In article <lkphq5INNh7p@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>, jss@greeble.Eng.Sun.COM (Josh Sirota) writes:
> 
> Anyway, I'm considering buying an all-wheel-drive car, but these R1, R2, and
> R3 ratings don't mean anything to me.  If I call the CalTrans phone number
> to get road information, they say either "the road is open with no
> restrictions", 

No restrictions = No R

> or "chains or snow tires are required", 

This is R1

> or "chains are required" 

This is usually R2.  They should say, "chains required except 4WD with
snow tires" but they don't, maybe to save time. R3 means "chains
required, no exceptions" and that's what you are supposed to hear on
the phone as well, at least according to a random CALTRANS guy I got
on the phone. According to the current CALTRANS brochure, the road is
usually closed before R3 is imposed.  I never seen it, or heard the
"chains required, no exceptions" msg.


> or "the road is closed."  Do these correspond to R1, R2, R3, and
> "closed"?  In which of those cases can a 4WD vehicle with snow tires go
> without chains?

See above.  R1 and R2.

> Surely in some of these cases, AWD vehicles can go without chains where 2WD
> vehicles require them.  When is that?  Is there any way to find things out
> more specifically than what the 800/427-ROAD number says (i.e., can I get
> the "R" value somehow?)  

Use the bijection above.

> Or if they say it's open, should I just head on up
> and assume/hope that I won't have to put chains on?

Hope springs eternal.  Get the last weather report and pay attention to the
precipitation predictions + snow level.  Chains are not needed for rain :-).

> How often does AWD mean that I won't have to put on chains when the general
> 2WD public are freezing their fingers off putting on chains by the side of
> the road?

Practically always.  But you are still legally required to carry chains.

- Andrei
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