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From: UPI
Subject: Syria puts conditions on leaving Lebanon
Reply-To: ayman@eecs.umich.edu
Organization: United Press International
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:33:03 GMT
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[ Article cross-posted without permission ]
	BEIRUT (UPI) -- Syria suggested Tuesday it may be a long way from
removing its troops from Lebanon, saying that only could happen after
the Beirut government eliminates its system of official religious
division.
	Syrian Vice President Abdel Halim Khaddam, in remarks carried by the
pro-Syrian As Safir newspaper, also denied evidence Iran might have an
interest in expanding its influence in Lebanon.
	Khaddam said that under the 1989 Lebanese peace accord that helped
end 16 years of civil war, the issue of the phased Syrian pullout was to
be discussed ``two years after (Lebanese) political reforms are approved
constitutionally.''
	``The main issue in these reforms focus on canceling confessionalism,
'' he said, referring to the Lebanese political system that distributes
public posts between Muslims and Christians along sectarians lines.
	``This article has not yet been discussed and no constitutional
measures have been adopted in this regard,'' Khaddam said in the
interview with the Paris-based Monte Carlo radio station.
	``Therefore, the issue of Syrian withdrawal is mainly linked to a
Syrian guarantee for a large number of Lebanese to approve all these
reforms,'' he said.
	The new Lebanese parliament elected this summer was ``equally divided
between Muslims and Christians (who) in turn will take measures to
abolish confessionalism,'' Khaddam said.
	Khaddam said he did not believe Iran's presence in Lebanon and the
attacks against Israel by its proxy Hezbollah militia in southern
Lebanon would affect the Lebanese peace accord signed in Taif, Saudi
Arabia.
	``We believe that Iran is not trying to have influence in Lebanon,''
he said. ``Tehran has ties with some Lebanese but not within the
framework of maintaining influence in this country.''
	He said Hezbollah was among other Lebanese factions fighting the
Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon. ``This is a legitimate right for
every citizen in any country,'' he said.
	``If the French people had the right to resist the Nazi occupation,
why it is not the right of the Lebanese to resist the Israelis?''
Khaddam said.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: JOKES
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:04:35 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

> There was this guy getting married for the fourth time...
> So an old time friend of his has a reunion with him.
> One thing led to another, and they were discussing the ex-wives.
> Q: What happened to wife #1
> A: She died out of a poisonous mushroom
 
> Q: What happened to wife #2
> A: She died after ingesting a poisonous mushroom
 
> Q: How about #3 ?
> A: She died out of a cracked head. She refused to eat the poisonous
>    mushroom 
 

I suppose we are to wonder why the man was killing off all of
his wives ... they weren't subserviant enough?

This sounds like a sexist joke ....

Anisa

Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: zzaaskk@v2.cgu.mcc.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Phoenician Territory
Date: 18 Nov 92 10:25:09 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre CGU

In article <1992Nov16.164828.29340@ulrik.uio.no>, eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:

> But I never heared about phoenicians reaching
>>spain, did they have a political existence there as in Carthage ? or did they
>>only have some historical findings ?
> 
> 
> Rached, there are many types of colonization. The LEbanese have colonized all
> these areas, not by conquest, but by establishing small or large "trade posts".

So the Lebanese are the exclusive inheritores of the the Pheonicians. 
What happend tho the rights of those Phoenicians who lived in modern
day northern Syria, Southern turkey, An northern Palestine. Don't they
get any credit. And how come those Lebanese living in the mountaines 
qualify for this inheritance. The Pheonicians where see farers and not 
mountaineers as far as I know. But, hey they were a great bunch. They 
might even have reached the moon. Future expeditions on the moon might 
reveal the existance of Pheonicians trading posts with the Marsians, and
as usuall all were peacefull colonies. 

I think you take the sepculatuions of Historians of the Pheonicians political 
and cultural life too seriouslly. We cannot agree on resesnt history let alone
6000 thousand years ago.    

> 
> The Phoenicans founded many trade posts on the north african coast (the
> north-eastern mediterranean was the domain of the Greeks  :-(   :-)   )
> 
> In Spain Cordoba, Carthagena, and many other cities stil alive today were
> founded by the Lebanese. In Morocco, very any cities were founded by the
> Phoenicians, even as far as the Atlantic coast.
> 
> elie wardini

Kamie 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: faris@sarcasm.trl.OZ.AU (Aziz Faris)
Subject: Re: Canaan, Ebla, Ugarit and other stories :-)
Reply-To: a.Faris@trl.oz.au 
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne,Australia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:40:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.164442.26246@ulrik.uio.no>, eliedw@hedda.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) writes:
|>  
|> 
|> Ebla is the ancient name of a place called Tal Mardikh, a site situated in
|> Today's Syria (between Hama and Aleppo). In this ancient city which dates back
|> to the 4th and 3rd cent BC, were found many (30 000) clay tablets with texts.
|> These text were thought to be Sumerian (a non-semitic language used in Southern
|> Mesopotamia). Yet som forms of words and syntax indicated tha they should be
|> read as a Semitic language. Ebla is important in many ways, yet one special
|> importance is that in the texts found their were attested the names of the Old
|> Testament patriarchs, Abraham, Isaak, Jacob etc.
|> 
|> Another interesting element with these inscriptions is the number of names that
|> end in "ya" just as many Biblical names.

Elie, Ebla dates to about 2500 BC not the 4th or 3rd century BC. It is now
beleived to be the oldest empire, hundreds of years before the Akkadian empire.

|> 
|> Ebla is also a source of some of our most ancient texts in the Middle East.
|> 
|> These texts have not yet been fully deciphered. THis means that there is very
|> much discussion on how to understand the texts, is the language West Semitic,
|> more closely related to Hebrew, Phoenician, Aramaic? or is it closer to
|> Akkadian, the ancient language of Mesopotamia?

According to the book written by Giovani Petanito who was the chief translator
of the texts, the language is old Canaanite written using the Akkadian form
of the sumerian language. Some of the scribes from Ebla were from Akkad and
dictionaries were found to go from the Ebla language to Akkadian. They even
found encyclopedias of names of plants, animals etc.

|> 
|> What Ebla should remind us, rather than using its material to prove unprovable
|> theories, is that the Middle EAst has an ancient and great history. THis
|> history is not uniform and that there existed very many peoples and kingdoms
|> that existed and became extinct. Some still live on. Ebla shows that once more,

The texts also revealed that Ebla was the worlds first empire using Oligarchy
form of government. The king and governors were elected for a 7 year term. 
Also they seemed to have had a senate and representative bodies, and people were
either citizens or foreigners.

It is also interesting to note that they were very politically minded and the
military was primarily mercenaries. Indeed the middle east can learn alot from
them. 

A.Faris
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From: rached@blanc.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached)
Subject: Correction
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:26:51 GMT

In an earlier posting, a reply to one of Nasri's, I made a comment that
Allah (God) talked only to Moses and not to Prophet Muhammad (Peace be
upon them). I received a correction from a brother and I saw fit that I
would post it for the benefit of those who have read my earlier posting.

rached
P.S. Takleem is talking in arabic, and Kalam is talk.

---------------------Correction Follows-----------------------------
Assalamu alaykum Akhee Rached.
I read your posting on the lebanese net regarding Allah takleem to
the prophet. Actually, Allah kallam prophet Mohammad peace be upon
him during the Mi'iraj directly (and revealed to him the duty
of salat). In fact, the three types of kalam mentioned in the Quran
happened to our prophet:
"Wa ma kana libasharin an yukallimahu-llahu illa wahyan aw
min wara'i hijab aw yursila rasulan fayuhee bi'ithnihi ma yasha' "
he received wahy during his sleep (as a dream), min warai hijab in Miiraj
and thru a rasool (namely jibreel).
wallahu aalam
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000)
Subject: Re: Litani River
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: talk.politics.mideat
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:15:29 GMT


In article <1992Nov18.103407.1@v2.cgu.mcc.ac.uk> zzaaskk@v2.cgu.mcc.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.173147.1@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>, ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) writes:
>> - friend's cloak. You see, Israel diaproves of the PLO, since it says that the
>> - PLO has on its agenda to wipe Israel off the map.
>> 
>> 
>> 	I fail to see how this makes Israel a wolf. If anything, the
>> 	wolf is the PLO, isn't it?
>
>The wolf is the one who somebodies else land and country. Not the one who is
>fighting to get thier land back? 

Indeed.  BUT the PLO deviated its initial goal and mis-behaved in
many aspects such as :  

1- Responding to the Phalangists that were hired by Israel to take away
   PLO's attention from South Lebanon to mid Lebanon.  They could've ignored
   or awakened the Kataeb that they are agents of Israel w/t knowing it.
   Instead, the PLO got too involved in the Lebanese war, which was
   the intention of Israel to start with, but the PLO were not smart.
   They were as stupid as the Lebanese Kataeb (agents of Israel).

2- The PLO factions very often forgot that their target is one, and went
   about fighting against each other. What made things worst is 
   the fighting often took place in the middle of the refugee camps
   and Lebanese cities and got civilians.

>> 	That's perfectly ok. I don't trust Lebanon either. Now we
>
>Who is the one that is armed to the teeth, and only lives off the hand outs of 
>the USA and the blood money of the Jews killed by the Natzis and wages a war 
>that kills 25,000 innocent civilians an injures at least 100,000 civilians 
>and participates in masacares in the name of peace for a stolen land.

Stolen alright.  Israel is established on a stolen peace of land alright,
now they are drinking stolen water from the Litani,a nd the poor Lebanese
is suffering in the name of their israel's beliefs.


>> 	have to decide whether we want to continue mistrusting
>> 	each other or perhaps try to overcome the mistrust. I think

>Peace will not happen without Justise for the Palestinians. Including the 1948
>lot. Who want to go back to their homes. 

Indeed, and how true!    YES the 1948 is what lead to the 1967.  Believe
me, israel will never give up the Litani River, it is on their religious
hit list.  I can tell you one thinkg, if the lebanese wish to 
take back the River, then they have their physical hands to use
as the only resort, trust me.   Israel is suffering from Water
problems, and that is why they will never let go of the Golan HTS either.

>> 	that the various peace-talk committees were meant to steer 
>> 	us in the latter direction, and I have to admit that I like
>> 	this direction better.
>> 
>> Noam
>
>
>Kamie

Thanks Kamie,

jle
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: pang@beaufort.sfu.ca (Dave Ng)
Subject: Re: Help
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 00:13:28 GMT

ying@jagger.Berkeley.EDU  writes:


>Does anybody know how can I get access to the internet in 
>Vancouver, B.C. .  I will be there for a couple of weeks, and
>I only have a PC and a modem.  
>Thanks

I think there is no FREE internet access in Vancouver.
But if you are willing to pay, you may try Mindlink.
It is a BBS which is now connected to BCnet in Vancouver.
It's address is mindlink.bc.ca and login in as guest. 
Phone# is (604) 534-5663.

Or you may try Simon Fraser University.
They sell Unix account to non-student user.
Send e-mail to help@sfu.ca or phone (604) 291-3234  (Account enquiries)


Pang - pang@sfu.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Subject: Re: ILHC: Love Clinic (WLS RESPONSE) 11/16/92
Organization: Oracle World HQ, Redwood Shores, California
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:32:22 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <1eaf4dINNj2l@agate.berkeley.edu> bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan) writes:
>
> *   *                                                      *   *
>* *.* *                                                    * *.* *
>*     *          International Lonely Hearts Club          *     *
> *   *           ================================           *   *
>  ***                                                        ***
>___________________________________________________________________
>
>                        ***************
>                        * Love Clinic *
>                        ***************
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>In response to the Weekly Love Story 11/16/92, here's what the Doctors
>have to say:
>-------------------------------------------------------------------

After reading several stories, I can almost predict what's the
next one.  A guy hangs around with a girl, become friends.  Then
the guy gets a crush on her and express his feeling.  The girl
is scared and terminate the friendship.  The guy then become
upset and trashes himself.

A lot of these happen because most guys have watched too many
movies, or listening to too many love songs.  Those stuff always
teach us to express our love feelings.  However, it is only good
to express your love early to liberal girls.  For conservative
girls (I assume a lot of HK girls are relatively conservative),
it would scare the girl away.  I suggest first being friends with
the girl, but don't make it clear that you would only be friends
with her as this will make her assume that you would only be her
friend.  Keep hang around with her for a while and slowly slowly
slowly express a bit and a bit of your love towards her.  Don't
just ask her out and tell her that you want to marry her or
something when you guys are just ordinary friends.  That's a very
childish way.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wonge@fraser.sfu.ca (Edmund Wong)
Subject: Re: Vivian Chow
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:07:21 GMT

In article <Bxxn0L.MAC@unccsun.uncc.edu> tychan@unccsun.uncc.edu (Tik Yuen Chan) writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.182329.29138@newstand.syr.edu> alvin@top.cis.syr.edu (Alvin Leung) writes:
>>Who is she?  I have been away from HK and locked-up in my computer lab. for
>>too long.  I saw her picture and want to know more about her.  Is she a singer
>>or a actor.
>>
>>Alvin
>>
>>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>#include <std_disclaimer.h>
>>
>>aleung@mailbox.syr.edu
>>
>>
>>
>
>Ha Ha....You are wrong. She is not a singer nor an actor.
>She is a singer-actRESS.
>
     Just wondering... I was told, by my friend, that she had an InterNet
account.  Personally, I don't believe it..  so could someone please 
enlighten me on the actual FACT?  

 Ed..


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From: u521211@csi.uottawa.ca (Kin)
Subject: test........
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, University of Ottawa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 17:20:06 GMT

this is just a testing .......
please ignore.................
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From: lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin)
Subject: Re: Is is right to eat dogs?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 15:02:11 GMT

In article <6715@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> 6500egg@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Ekman Yu-Hang Tsang) writes:
>
>Personally I have never done it, nor do I want to.  But it is not to say
>that it is 'wrong' to eat dogs.  "Wrong" is only wrong in the eyes of the
>foreigners.  To be fair to cows, pigs, chickens, and all the weird stuffs
>that we allow ourselves to enjoy at the dinner tables, I have to say it
>is alright to eat dogs, and cats, and birds...  Conversely, if you don't
>think eating dogs are right, then you should also think that eating cows
>and pigs are wrong as well.  This is because these are all classified in
>our human systems as animals.  In another word, you should become a
>vegetarian.  (Even that is not fair to the plants, since they are living
>organisms as well; only they can't move to defend themselves)
>

A vegetarian told me that he does not like killing, but in order to
survive, he has to eat; and probably a carrot experiences less pain
than a cow when its killed.  Vegetarians of this sort probably
eat eggs and some seafood as well.

-- 
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| University of Waterloo, Canada.    |  \___\/ \___\/
From: be549@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robin Coose)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: about Bruce Lee's movie...
Date: 15 Nov 1992 21:07:13 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hi, I just had a argument with my friends.  They said that 
according to Bruce Lee's wife, Bruce Lee had only made 5 Kung-Fu
movie in his life.  I am not sure the exact number, but in my
impression when I was young, I had watched DEFINITELY more than
5 movie made by Bruce Lee.
Is there any Bruce Lee-fan there could give me the names of movies
that you can remember?  Either in English or Chinese, doesn't
matter.  You could post in thise SIG or mail me at:
  be549@cleveland.freenet.edu

I appreciate your time.

Rob

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From: Charles.Dittmeier@f74.n700.z6.fidonet.org (Charles Dittmeier)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: ITweek Signature Campaig
Date: 23 Nov 1992 11:21:58 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


 On 11-19-92 T.K. kang wrote to All... 
 
 Tk> "accessibility technology" to people with disabilties. May I ask 
 Tk> people reading this message to support this noble cause. 
 
I'm glad to see you posted Jeff Evan's fax here, T.K.  Good idea.  I 
hope many people will support the campaign to keep ITWeek going in 
the future. As you stated, the past three ITWeeks have certainly 
benefitted people with disabilities here in Hong Kong. 
 
... OFFLINE 1.41 * Deaf people can do anything except hear... 

 * Origin: HKCS Mail Office (6:700/74)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: rlp0137@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Your university making $$$ out of you?
Reply-To: rlp0137@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:23:40 GMT

If you are paying around $900 for the university health plan, I recommend
you to find an independent insurance company and buy it from them (eg.
blue shield.. etc).  It will cost you about the same or even cheaper but
it will provide for comprehensive health coverage.  In my case, we pay
around $350.00 for U. health services and even though they are slow and
prescribe only tylenol, advil for everything, the doctors and nurses are
nice.  :-] ] ] ] ]
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From: 93pcc@williams.edu (Phil C. Chin)
Subject: Re: Broadway Musical + Lam + extra(Re: LAM is a Legend!) 
Reply-To: fhc1839@norton.acf.nyu.edu (Francis H. Chin)
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:35:12 GMT


In article <BxxJ4y.3qK@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, yap40294@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gotta go to class ;P) writes:
>><juyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>>
>>>Grand Hotel will be performed on 3/9/93 here in Bloomington.  The good seats 
>>>are all sold out in September.  I've got to buy the tix ASAP. ;-)
>>
>>>Julia
>>
>>[Brightman and Weber divorce stuff deleted]
>>"Annie" will be coming here mid-December.  Am thinking about going.  Know
>>anything about the music in that one?  I only know "Tomorrow" in it.  I have
>>never heard "Chess" before.  Is it one of Weber's earlier works
>>
>>Anastasia

"Annie" is set at the end of the Great Depression in the US, so the music is
much in the flavor of that time (ragtime, early radio jingles, etc.) as well
as more modern show stoppers such as "Tomorrow". The composer
Charles Strouse's other hits were "Bye Bye Birdie" and I think "Grease".
If you need more specific info, I have the vocal score.
 
I don't think Weber had anything to do with "Chess"; if I remember 
correctly, it's Tim Rice's show. The music style is mostly rock opera.
The song "One Night in Bangkok" is from that musical.
 
Francis Chin
fhc1839@norton.acf.nyu.edu
"You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here"
From: tochi@cs.UAlberta.CA (To Chi Chun)
Subject: Looking for students from Ming Yin College
Keywords: Meet friends
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:31:09 GMT




This is Jackson To. If you know who I am, please do

send mail to me. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: rchoy@clarify.com (Raymond Choy)
Subject: Re: What do you think of Chris Patten
Organization: Clarify, San Jose
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:36:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.154411.21598@cucs5.cs.cuhk.hk> iu051@cucs11.cs.cuhk.hk (Iu King Fung) writes:
>
>
>I think Patten is a very good politician.  However, he is NOT doing anything
>for Hong Kong or the people of Hong Kong.  
>
>K.F. Iu
>

Can anybody in the net can enlightening me for any 
politician/Government/President/King/Emperor that really doing 
everything for their people will? If there exists any, he/she is not
a politician, he/she is a god!!

-Raymond Choy-


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