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From: acbonin@unix.amherst.edu (Adam Bonin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Biggest Upset of the Decade
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:42:47 GMT
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

ISSBTL@BYUVM.BITNET wrote:
: When making a list of the biggest upsets of the decade, one that should be at o
: r near the top is the 1983 Championship Game Houston v. N.C.State.  Now before
: you begin to disagree with me remember that the Fianl Four matchup of Phi Slama
:  Jama v. Louisville was supposed to be the "unofficial" title game and Akeem, C
: lyde, Larry Micheaux, Micheal Young, and Alvin Franklin destroyed Louisville fo
: r a chance to simply cakewalk through the wolfpack to the title.  Also N.C.Stat
: e would not have been in the tourney at all if they had not won the ACC tourney
: .  This game was the only sporting event that I have cried after, seeing the
: Houston players on their knees pounding the floor just broke my heart.
: Well, I just had to get that off my chest.
: 
: 

Do you want to talk upsets?  Let's think back to December of, oh, I believe
1982, when the #1 Virginia Cavaliers took a holiday vacation to Hawaii for
what was supposed to be a restful week.  Then they met the Chaminade Silver
Swords, and the rest, as they say, is history.

N.C. State was an upset, to be sure, but no more so than Duke beating UNLV in
the finals two years ago, or 'Nova over Georgetown in 1985.  Chaminade was an
UPSET
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From: jfc3348@u.cc.utah.edu (John F. Conroy)
Subject: Re: Wolfpack Rules!!!
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 19:18:05 GMT

In article <225790.225790@fire.com.de> alester@fire.com.de (Avie) writes:
>
            <<<Creative statistics deleted>>>
>....
>
>So, Christian Laettner, wherever you are, why don't you just go put some 
>more mousse in your hair. Try to make yourself look more like Brandon on 
>90210. 

Sorry, but Brandon makes himself look like Christian.

 Bobby Hurley, better take some more Pepto!  Coach K, you look 
>like a mole and act like a total asshole.  Don't blame your near losses 
>on your fans!  You're going DOWN this year baby!
>
>....
>
>As much as I hate Dean-o, I hate Coach K much much more!!!
>Here's the top ten reasons to hate Duke:
>
>10: That damn guy with the basketball over his head
>9:  Unconceited, modest players.  NOT!
>8:  They didn't beat UNLV legitimately--it was fixed!
>7:  What the hell is an indoor stadium?
>6:  Those damn geeks with D-U-K-E painted on their chests
>5:  All the rich kids from Jersey
>4:  DANNY FERRY (Still!) and CHEROKEE PARKS (tie)
>3:  Bobby "Squirts" Hurley and the HILL twins
>2:  Christian "Homo" Laettner  (Still! -- Hey, even Sports Illustrated says so!)
>1:  Coach K!!!

Is it worth reponding to this? State has had a horrible year, and it will
make me very happy when we can start hating them again. I mean, there is
still some left over amusement, at State's amphibious players and at
Kelsey Weem's unrecognizable profile, but there is no real anger left. Les
is a class coach. State has been playing hard this year, if not
particulary well, so I wish them well. MAybe post this in a few years when
we can get all upset, and flame you back . . . 


John Conroy.


>
>....


>
>* Sorry for you out-of-state ACC team fans, but your teams have always been
>  regarded with the same derision reserved for expansion clubs in the NBA.
>  Especially Georgia Tech and Florida State.  The BIG 4 are the only teams
>  that really matter!
>
>GO PACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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From: toni@netstor.com (Toni Morgan)
Subject: Re: Wahoos
Organization: NETstor, Inc.  Burnsville MN  USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:07:31 GMT

I've been rightfully chastised, and Kevin has demonstrated that he certainly
knows his Hoos.  Of course, he was actually attending UVa at the time in
question (and admits to having gotten a memory check from his wife), so he
should remember it better than I.

In article <1993Jan26.011657.967@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> kthompso@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Kevin Thompson) writes:

>Toni, Toni, Toni, I'm *so* disappointed in you :).  How could you forget that
>it was March '84 that center Kenton Edelin, not, er, one of the most graceful
>players in Wahoo history, stole the ball and raced (sic) from half court to
>seal the victory over Indiana and put UVA into the Final 4.  That play made
>Edelin's college career, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

A masterful description of Edelin.  Once reminded, I remember the amazingly
uncharacteristic play quite well.  Edelin was, by the way, a 4th year student
on that team.

>                                                                 This was Jim
>Miller's 3rd year, he tore up the regional, MVP of whichever one it was (and
>then was a major disappointment his last year, after being ballyhooed as a
>star).

Right again.  But do you remember that there was another Hoo on the East
Regional all-tourney team . . . none other than 1st year man Olden Polynice!
(And rounding it out, Sam Perkins, Steve Alford, and Uwe Blab.)

>        Tim Mullen was hurt that year, and didn't play much in the NCAAs.  If
>Polynice was there, it was his first year; maybe Sheehey's first year too?
>Orca the killer Merrifield was probably lumbering around, accumulating fouls
>as well.

Accurate on all counts - Mullen was 3rd year, OP and Tom "I don't care if you
did hit my dog" Sheehey were both 1st year, and Merrifield 3rd year.  What I
can't believe is that I somehow forgot that my heartthrob of NBA assistant
coaches, ex-NBA champion Celtic Rick Carlisle was also on that team, which, for
completeness sake, consisted of:

Miller, Othell Wilson (played a year with the Warriors), Anthony Solomon, Ricky
Stokes (assistant coach at Wake, isn't he?), Sheehey, Polynice (who'd a thunk
he'd be in the NBA after Sampson was long gone), Edelin, Kenny Johnson,
Carlisle, Mullen, and Merrifield.

>Just tryin to be helpful :) -- Kevin 

I never thought otherwise!

rgds,
  T

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell)
Subject: Re: A Little Big 8 Gumbo
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:24:39 GMT

guest@ulysses.atmos.colostate.edu (Guest) writes:

>Just a few thoughts on the Big 8 season so far.....

>1.  What's up with Nebraska? They started off so hot and in the last 3 weeks..
>.....fizzle! The loss this weekend to Kansas State at Lincoln was a shock. To

The biggest problem is inconsistant team play. At times Nebraska has played
brilliantly, at other times atrociously. A big factor in the inconsistancy
is the fact that Danny Nee has been playing a 10 man rotation with 6
new players this year. The players are still getting used to playing with
each other. The past month has been frustrating, and the players (both
newcomers and returning players) have all tried to make things happen
individually. This has hurt the team even more, and Coach Nee has been
trying to take steps to curb this by instituting a 25 second minimum
half-court offense, and by playing the players who are contributing the most
rather than trying to spread the minutes around to everyone and keep egos
somewhat happy.
I still haven't given up on the Huskers. In fact I was encouraged a bit by
the Colorado game. There is still hope that they will discover that they
will be a much better team if they give up personal glory. If they do, they
could be a force to be watched in the post-season tourney. The talent is
definitly there to be able to play with *anyone*, the team play needed to
win big games is what has been lacking. I hope the team play concept has
started to sink in otherwise Nebraska may have a hard time getting back to
the big dance.

--
Skip Burrell				Internet:	skipb@unomaha.edu
Comp. Sci. Graduate Student		compuserve: 	76146,2323
University of Nebraska at Omaha		AOL:		skipb
My Disclaimer: Any opinion I may have stated was purely unintentional!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: swleon01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Stephen W. Leon)
Subject: Re: Opinions on Dick Vitale
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:24:55 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In <9119@news.duke.edu> whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY) writes:

>In article <2555@blue.cis.pitt.edu> wdsst3@cislabs.pitt.edu (William D Sands) writes:
>>In article <9103@news.duke.edu> whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY) writes:
>>	I will be saddened by Valvano's death as much as by
>>the loss of any other person, but where is it written that
>>demise?  Sure Valvano always TALKED a good game, regarding
>>					-Bill S.

......
>recruiting was questionable and his graduation rates low.  He never was
>in the elite of college coaches.  I recognize that, but I do think he is
>a great announcer, and the Vitale-Valvano tandem the most entertaining
>thing in basketball besides the game.  Better than the game if you are
>talking "Big Monday".  Providence vs. Villanova.  Moan...

>-Will

I'll agree with you. I watched the Kentucky game last night, not expecting
Dicky V to be doing the game( I figured he'd do the Michigan-Ohio St. game),
as well as all the UK games he has done. I feel brings much more to the game.
Not just his regular antics, but his great knowledge of the game and its
players and coaches. He starts talking about coaches I've never heard before!
I think he's best doing Big Ten, the conference he covers the most. Although
I'm a UK fan, I believe the Big Ten games are the most exciting on ESPN.


eve
From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: The NeverEnding Thread (Was: Re: Duke loss)
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:58:31 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

In article <1993Jan22.133111.582@doug.cae.wisc.edu> saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>ROB MACKENNA = Roy Navarre

Therefore, 

Brian E. Saunders = Dale Brown

Gotcha!

- Rob Mac K


-- 
*ROB Mac K - The Man, The Myth, The Legend.  As if. ***********************
*        [}uke             1991 National Champions      "At least we      *
*          Blue Devils:    1992 National Champions    don't still suck."  *
****************************************************** rjm1@acpub.duke.edu*
From: erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: WALKING VIOLATIONS
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:07:59 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: erwinaw@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Anthony W Erwin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: l130c5.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

	A friend of mine and I were having a slight argument about what  
constitutes a travel.  I figured that someone out there would probably have the  
exact rule.
	My friend says once you establish a pivot foot, that if you then pick  
up that pivot foot, it is not a travel until you put it down.  So he says that  
you can take a more or less take a step and not travel.  I don't think that  
this is right.

				Thanks,
				Tony Erwin

--
erwinaw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

GO HOOSIERS!
PEROT '96
"Even a blind squirrel will find an acorn once in awhile."
From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Duke & The art of getting fouled (was tOSU 69 - IU 96)
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:52:02 GMT

Ted Krueger writes:
>Marek Lugowski writes:
>>
>>Indiana and other teams as good as Indiana master the art of drawing fouls.
>>They are also very, very good at making it look like they are being fouled.
>
>Are you sure of this?  Do you know that they do this at IU?  Have you 
>attended any practices where Bobby is teaching players to look fouled? 
>I do not mean these questions in a confrontational manner, but I have 
>recently begun going to Arizona practices, and there has never been any 
>mention of anything like this.

A good friend of mine was a walk on with Duke basketball team a few years 
back (coincidentally he was also the starting tight end on their football 
team).  Once, we were hooping together at the YMCA and while attempting 
(successfully, actually) a reverse layup in traffic, I slapped my arm as
I released the ball (sort of a trick I learned from watching Air Jordan).

He saw it, so I didn't get a foul my way, but he did hint that those
types of things were taught to him when he played for Duke.

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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: BB vs Geography
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 00:33:45 GMT

wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley) writes:
>
>On a personal note, Gary, are you any relation to Lute?  

What's going on here?  Coupla weeks ago somebody on the pro group
calls Jim Oliver a Celtics fan; now this.

At this rate, somebody will soon refer to Exby as ``the Hoosier fanatic.''


--Gidi



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From: ksmith@swine.cs.uiuc.edu (Ken Smith)
Subject: Re: Wisconsin beats Ohio State!!!
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:21:17 GMT

saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:

> (stuff about Badger victory over Ohio State deleted)
>would be satisfactory, though 2-1 is not out of reach, although the Badger
>faithful know better than to expect road victories.
>-- 

>Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu

Shoot.  The whole Big 10 knows better than to expect road victories!
Indiana just squeaked past the Illini at Illinois, and they represent
opposite ends of the Big 10 this year.
	-Ken
From: C31801IE@WUVMD (Derek Morgan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Rules question
Date: 21 Jan 93 17:45:07 GMT
Reply-To: derek@wubios.wustl.edu
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD


 Can anybody out there tell me what a "dead ball" situation is? Especially
when a made shot becomes a "dead ball".

Here's the list I have so far:

1) Fouls
2) Turnovers where the ball must be inbounded
3) Kicked balls
4) Made shots when there's less than ??? left in the ???

Please reply to me at derek@wubios.wustl.edu.

AdvTHANKSance,
Derek
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From: elmanad@amy14.stanford.edu (Adam Elman)
Subject: Womens' arenas???
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 02:39:41 GMT

Just wondering:

At how many schools out there do the womens' and mens' basketball
teams play in _different_ arenas?  I know for the Pac-10 that
at least Stanford (Maples), UCLA (Pauley), and Washington (Hec Ed)
play in the same arenas as the mens' teams.  However, when a few
friends and I went down to USC on Monday, I was appalled to note that
although the mens' team plays in the L.A. Sports Arena, the Women of
Troy, a top-25 team, play in the Lyon Center, a gym on the USC campus
which is about the same size as my high school gym (1,200).  Since
Stanford gets about two or three times that attendance for an
unimportant game, I think that's pretty pathetic of USC.

Any comments?

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
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From: wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: Need a score
Reply-To:  wagnonb@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:41:06 GMT

Anyone have the score of the Memphis State vs. Missouri game
last night?



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From: guest@ulysses.atmos.colostate.edu (Guest)
Subject: A Little Big 8 Gumbo
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:28:12 GMT
Organization: Atmos. Science, Colorado State Univ.

Just a few thoughts on the Big 8 season so far.....

1.  What's up with Nebraska? They started off so hot and in the last 3 weeks..
.....fizzle! The loss this weekend to Kansas State at Lincoln was a shock. To
think that both the Cornhuskers and the Buffalo's (no surprise here) are 0-3 in
conference play is scary. Well, one of the teams will get a 'W' tonight!

2.  KU will have no trouble winning the conference. The only problem spots that
I see are the road games at Missouri and Iowa State. Could possibly go 
undefeated in the Big 8 (When was the last time that a team in the Big 8 has
done that?).

3.  Nice win by Iowa State in overtime last saturday against the Tubbster and
the Sooners. The game was an exciting one to watch. Bayless of Iowa State is 
pushing hard at making first team all-Big 8. Oklahoma needs to make its free
throws!

4.  Rest of the league looks pretty much the same, although K-state is 
surprising some. It looks like Missouri has started to wake up, but we'll see!
Good start to league play! At this time, the league doesn't look as strong as
it did in December (Just a comment).

John Knowles                               Predicted Big 8 Finish (IMHO):
knowles@tachu.atmos.colostate.edu          1. Kansas
                                           2. Oklahoma
                                           3. Iowa State/Missouri
                                           5. Nebraska
                                           6. Kansas State/Oklahoma State
                                           8. Colorado
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Tech ends home losing streak
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:57:40 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Tech ended a two game home losing streak by defeating NCSU 85-74.  Before 
people see the score and talk about how unimpressive it is, consider that
the Tech scrubs were in there for the end and allowed a 30 or so point lead
dwindle to 11 by game's end.  Everybody got into this game for Tech.  Darryl
Barnes had 4 or 5 points, 1 rebound, 1 goal-tend, and 1 block.  Rod Balanis
had 4 points.  Even Harlicka, Gaddy, and Kelly got some PT, although I'm not
sure if they scored.  I'm willing to wager that Mackey didn't play more than
25 minutes in the game.  I'd have to check a paper to verify all those stats
above, but they're reasonably accurate for just reporting from memory.  
Hopefully this signals that Tech is out of its slump and ready for the rest of
the schedule.  Tech is at Tallahassee on Super Bowl Sunday and has home games
next week against Clemson and Maryland.  BTW, I heard that UNC won, anyone
happen to have the score?
-- 
BERNSTEIN,AVRON P
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt6390a
Internet: gt6390a@prism.gatech.edu
From: jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Bad Dale Brown
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:49:41 GMT
Organization: Georgia Tech Research Institute -- EOL

In article <C1J9zF.5A0@apollo.hp.com> stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman) writes:
>
>Someone posted what Dale Brown said to the ref on his first technical foul,
>and Brown (naturally) had plenty to say after he was ejected on the second
>technical, but what I'd like to know is what he said to Rick Pitino as he
>walked off the court past the Kentucky bench. The two of them huddled together 
>for a second and looked over at the officials. 
>...

Maybe it was "see you at Bravo Pitino's after the game.  Don't bring
the refs, though."

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^  Georgia Tech Research Institute                                    ^ 
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^  Atlanta, Ga.                                                       ^
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From: rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Vandy-Arkansas (+ SEC Race)
Keywords: HOMER
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:39:21 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

Welcome to Memorial Gym, Nolan.  Vandy rode the stregth of good shooting, good
rebounding, and a 45-10 edge in free throws attempted in whipping Arkansas
last night.  Nolan Richardson's inaugural at Vandy's gym was short-lived, he
was thrown out with 16 minutes to go in the second half and Vandy up by 3.  By
the time Arkansas got the ball back, they were down by 10.  I think Pitino got
tossed out in one of his first visits to Mem. Gym also.  Arkansas fans should
be glad Vandy didn't shoot free throws like they did against Kentucky.  They
only hit 30-45 last night.  If they'd shot the 80+% like against UK, it would
have been a big blowout.

Vandy has done the first step in being a contender, won the tough home games.
Now they've got to do the hard part, picking up the road wins, with 3 of the
next 4 at Tennessee, Auburn, and Kentucky, with a surprising South Carolina
team that can't be disregarded coming to Nashville.  Vandy's one road game in
the conference was a close loss to Florida, and they played OK in that one.
Hopefully McCaffrey's experience at going into hostile gyms in the ACC will
add something to their road toughness, and perhaps they will continue to
handle defensive pressure well after the Memphis State debacle.

As to the SEC races, Kentucky has the big edge in the East (Vandy's 4-1
notwithstanding), while Arkansas and oh I hate to say it, LSU  the favorites
in the West.  I don't know how Dale Brown does it, but he's already picked up
two big road wins at Auburn and Miss. St., and he has Vandy in the Death Dome.
Kentucky has also picked up road wins at Georgia and Alabama.  Vandy on the
other hand, has still got to do it. Florida really shot themselves in the foot
with their home loss to South Carolina. If Vandy can get by their next three 
before going to Lexington, Cinderella will still have a chance.  We shall
see.
-- 
Ronnie Smith      East Carolina University      Greenville, NC
   (and still at Duke a little bit)
 INTERNET: rws@cs.duke.edu
The next Duke Invitational,  April 3 - 5, 1993 in New Orleans.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:51:19 EST
From: <AER107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college,psu.sports
Subject: Re: ATTENTION ALL PENN STATERS-IMPORTANT!!!
 <exby.727994283@spot.Colorado.EDU> <1993Jan25.223725.25460@news.acns.nwu.edu>
 <exby.728064086@spot.Colorado.EDU>

Mr. Exby, I have a serious question for you.  Have you actually ever gone to
a top 25 women's basketball game.  I suppose that the answer is obviously "no."
If you had, you would be much more moderate.  In the very off chance that you
have gone to a game, what don't you like?  Is it the 30 second shot clock, the
lack of dunks since they show supremacy by scoring points, or maybe the fact
that you don't need to be 6' 8" to be a good player?  Incidentally, you're not
even as tall as Lady Lion Tina Henry.  You really ought to know what you're
talking about before you blast something.

Alex Richman
AER107@PSUVM.psu.edu

P.S. Colorado has the #7 team in the country.  You could find out without even
having to go far.