HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: FAQ the FAQ!
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:17:31 GMT

tf = thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
jg = jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Johannes Versplungit "Mikey" Gerpfefeinfetzer)

jg: and that line should be immediately stripped from the FAQ.
tf: No, no, you can only strip a FAQ if it's threaded counter-clockwise.

Or send it back with another FAQ threaded into it axially.  Marked
"extra pedantic".
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From: cldavies@nyx.cs.du.edu (cindy davies)
Subject: Re: Help me identify this Mcdonaldland character
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 02:36:39 GMT

In article <199208131612.AA4921@comm.Tandem.COM> PORTIGAL_STEVE@TANDEM.COM writes:
>Anyway, I'm trying to identify this "classic era" McDonald character. Before
>that stupid bird, the fry guys, the mcnugget people and so on. Back when
>there used to be Grimus, Ronald, Hamburglar, Mayor McCheese, and this
>policeman Quarter Pounder dude. What the hell was he called? He looked kind
>of like an English bobby, with the little hat and truncheon. What it
>Officer Quarter Pounder?
>
My roommie has The McDonald's Cross Stitch Book (she bought it to support
the Ronald McDonald House, or so she claims)

It has Ronald, Mayor McCheese, Grimmace, the Hamburglar, the Blue Fry Guy 
Birdie? and  (drum role please) Big Mac [who has a little hat, star, and 
truncheon
.
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Since moral has not improved, the beatings will continue.

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From: pynq@quads.uchicago.edu (George Jetson)
Subject: Re: Elvis Lives!!!
Reply-To: pynq@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: D. J. Dougherty & Associates
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:17:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug10.213656.6631@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne) writes:

(This is included for no particularly good reason, other than that it is
	priceless.  It's got to be "motto material".)
>>>If you recognized the "blatant falsehoods," then no harm done, eh?  If you
>>>were actually to be FOOLED by them, perhaps you have no business reading
>>>net news anyway, and I have a purebred jackelope to sell you.
>>
>>No, no harm was done, and in all honsety I =hope= that no one would really
>>believe the Elvis line.  
>

>There was a mix up a few years ago when some American died but Elvis is 
>still alive and making records.

This reminds me (& this is the real point of this posting...), does anyone
remember the "L Ron Ron" poem (sung to the tune of "Da Doo Ron Ron") ?

I seem to have lost my copy, so if anyone has it, could they please post it?
(This is actually something that should be on the archive site;
	maybe it is - I haven't checked...)

>Derek "I know who Sam Walcott is now - thanks" Tearne

Who is he?

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From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Japanese snuff! sort-of...
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:50:28 GMT
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

>Mind you, none of this is *real* death, but they seem to
>really get into seeing women get mangled and murdered in
>sexual scenarios.  (It also points out that they like watching
>women get mangled and murdered in most of their other flicks, too.)

We Americans have little room to talk, although our mainstream
movies don't usually dwell on the graphic details of the hacking
or whatever, and there's usually a puritanical message -- "sexuality,
especially female, must be punished" -- that I assume isn't in
the Japanese films and manga to which you refer.

I wish I could remember who wrote the analysis of the "slasher"
genre that I read once.  The essay showed that, for all their
inventiveness with pig guts and makeup, these movies are as
formulaic as Kabuki and that the formula reflects aspects of
our cultural heritage we needn't be too proud of.

It isn't just grade-Z movies, either.  Several times I was... 
well, I'm reasonably shockproof, so let's just say a bit put off 
by the ritualistic murder that occurred before the opening credits 
of each "Miami Vice" episode.  Many of which featured a woman as
the special guest corpse.

--Joe "Does Jamie Lee Curtis read netnews?" Chew
From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Microwaved cat explodes
Date: 14 Aug 92 01:06:52 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

>Now, I imagined that the water would be at a similar temperature as the
>warm dough. ... [not]
>After the severity of teh burn I was ready to believe that microwaved
>water could absorb more heat than normally required to boil and that
>the water boiled violently as soon as it had a good reason to. Certainly the
>butrn was more like a bad steam burn than a hot water one.

As has been explained before, because there is no turbulence in
the water, the microwave can get it very hot and little heat will
dissipate into the air (since only the top of the water contacts
air, and there's no mixing in the water).  When you spilled the
water you got superheated water on your forearm - it probably started
to steam as it hit.  Ugh.  I have seen this on a smaller scale:
I boiled water in a mug in the microwave, and when I dropped a teabag
into the calm, slightly steaming water it began to boil violently.

Personally when I want bread to rise I boil water in a kettle, pour
it into a pan, and put the pan and the bread in the oven (which is
off).  Seems safer.

>Perhaps I should have thought more of the salesman's confident explanation
>of how microwaves work: "It causes high energy Microns (sic) to be
>fired into the food thus heating it."  ...

Arrrgghhhh !
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From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: Driving tests
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:48:18 GMT

tmoore@bnr.ca writes:

>Incidentally in Britain those learning to drive must display a prominent
>sign with a large "L" (for learner).  Thus regular drivers can at least beware

I thought it stood for "Loser".

Live and Learn...
-- 
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(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
"No matter what you've lost - be it a home, a love, a friend - like the 'Mary
Ellen Carter' rise again." - Stan Rogers - "Mary Ellen Carter"
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From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: Eskimo words for snow (was: Re: Faces of death)
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:45:48 GMT

snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes:


>> Subject: Re: Eskimo words for snow (was: Re: Faces of death)

> I nominate this as the most bizarre mutation of a subject line in AFU.

DEATH BY SNOW - Film at 11.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, pt@geovision.gvc.com or {uunet,revcan}!geovision!pt
(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
A Vogon is not above a little greed and corruption in much the same way as the
ocean is not above the clouds.
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Re: Mis-applied physics in advertising
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 10:24:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.195438.24220@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:

>Did you ever notice how much free advertising that Brand X has gotten
>over the years?  And the amazing thing is their incredibly diverse
>product line.  _Everybody_ compares their product to Brand X.  Bleach,
>soap, chewing gum, diskettes, you name it and you can be certain that
>Brand X makes their own version of the stuff.

There's a cable-making company that cashes in on this, called Brand Rex.

cjl
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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Faces of death
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:28:29 GMT

geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:

>You're probably referring to the suicide of Pennsylvania state treasurer
>Bud Dwyer.  He was caught dipping into the state funds and blew his head
>off with a long-barrelled .357 magnum at a live-televised press conferenece.
>Rumor has it that his wife and kids were watching at home.  Many stations
>around the country broadcast the whole thing on their own news programs.

	Too bad I missed it, I heard about it though.  I thought it
was quite classy.    

>Q:  What's the difference between Bud Dwyer and Bud Light?
>A:  Bud Light has a head.

	Funny as hell, but one nit, I would expect him still to have
one, assuming his head was larger than GI-Joe size to start out with.
I would imagine him to still look like the same old Bud, with a head, 
but with powder burns on it and a roughly pencil-diameter entry hole 
and maybe a thumb diameter exit hole both added to his orfice collection.

Never seen a man so holy, though, so correct me if the video doesn't
bear my theory out.

>Geoff Miller                    + + + + + + + +        Sun Microsystems
Jim Del Vecchio
From: eeopensh@cybaswan.UUCP (j p openshaw)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: aids started by cia?
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:08:36 GMT
Reply-To: eeopensh@cybaswan.UUCP (j p openshaw)
Distribution: world,local

In article <mcirvin.714088260@husc8> mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) writes:
>
>>In article <16ncq5INNia4@agate.berkeley.edu> gertben@ocf.berkeley.edu (Benjamin Gertner) writes:
>>>was aids started by the us government in secret (the cia or military)? A lot
>>>of time and money is spent on bacteriological warfare and it seems obivious
>>>that someone would want to test the effects of one of these diseases in the 
>>>outside world.
>
>A story to this effect was spread in a Soviet disinformation campaign in
>the mid-1980's.  I remember hearing it in shortwave broadcasts around
>1986, before glasnost really caught on.  The gist of it was that
>AIDS was created in a biological weapons laboratory at Fort Dietrich,
>Maryland.  The story, therefore, is a little more than urban folklore:
>it's former Commie propaganda!

I seem to remember a few years back, that a noted Professor (may have been
in genetics) in France, publicly aired his suspicions that AIDS was the
accidental by-product of cancer research. He said that there were some
scientists that knew this, and a cure for AIDS wouldnt become available
until they were included in the research. Haven't heard anything about
it recently though, perhaps he was bored and wanted to get on the News.

John "One of the 95% that doesn't know what Kibo is..." Openshaw.


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From: snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes)
Subject: Re: Eskimo words for snow (was: Re: Faces of death)
Organization: Just put everything on the floor; I can find it.
Date: 16 AUG 92 22:55:49    


> Subject: Re: Eskimo words for snow (was: Re: Faces of death)

 I nominate this as the most bizarre mutation of a subject line in AFU.

 - snopes

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From: klg@panda.mc.duke.edu (Kim Greer -- rjj)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: What's the right way to shave?
Date: 23 Aug 92 13:12:23 GMT
Organization: Duke University, Nuclear Medicine

In article <1992Aug21.110237.3606@darwin.ntu.edu.au> comp_oper@darwin.ntu.edu.au writes:
>
>		MEN OF THE NETWORLD!  GROW A BEARD!
>1: You will save a lot of time and energy.  Does anyone realise how much time is
>    spent in front of a mirror each morning shaving compared with a few simple
>    strokes of a comb.  (Yes - a beard should be combed and shampooed with the
>    rest of the hair on your head.)

  6 or 7 years ago, I read an article in our local paper that shaving takes
about 3 months over an "average" lifetime, which assumed you would live to
be 65 or 70.  Or something like that.  Statistics were from some airline
rep, I think.  Is this vague enough for AFU?

>Glenn Wallace					comp_oper@darwin.ntu.edu.au
>Northern Territory University
>Darwin, Northern Territory,
>Australia, World, Universe, etc...

K "8 days saved and counting" G

-- 
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Duke University Medical Center		 klg@orion.mc.duke.edu
Div. Nuclear Medicine  POB 3949		 voice: 919-681-5894
Durham, NC 27710  		         fax: 919-681-5636
From: bls@sector7g.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Scearce)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Semen, NOT sailors!
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:36:47 GMT
Reply-To: bls@sector7g.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: sector7g

In article 9Gr@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG, phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Phil Gustafson) writes:
> I've also heard that the average male orgasm was quite digestible, high
> in protein, and possessed of only 26 wriggling calories.

Phil, I presume you're asking this just to start conversation, since
this question is admirably answered in the AFU Holy Babble, "The
Straight Dope" [ISBN 0-345-33315-2].  Cecil disputes your 26 calorie
figure, pointing out that five cubic centimeters (that's on the high
end of the normal curve) of *pure sugar* contains 18 calories, and that
semen is 90% water.

I'd also like to take issue (tee hee) with your misuse of the word
"orgasm" above.  What you're referring to is *ejaculate*, not orgasm.
Ejaculation is a purely physical process; it can be induced with
electrical current (don't try this at home, kids).  Orgasm is a mental
state: you can have ejaculation without orgasm, orgasm without
ejaculation, as well as the more common O with E (ignoring the *very*
common "none of the above").

Brian "Storks bring babies, but swallows don't" Scearce
---
Brian Scearce                               bls@sector7g.eng.sun.com
        The above does not necessarily represent Sun policy.
          It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.
From: rodney@magritte.ipl.rpi.edu (Rodney Peck II)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Useful quips
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:55:45 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

In article <BsvKwF.41o@unx.sas.com> sasbmt@jjoyce.unx.sas.com (Bruce Tindall) writes:
>
>In article <ceW1u1O00VpAIKNKx4@andrew.cmu.edu>, jf41+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jonathan R. Ferro) writes:
>>Density of liquid water:
>>       A pint's a pound, the world around.
>
>But it's not, because a British (imperial) pint is about 1.2 times
>as big as an American pint.  568 versus 473 cubic centimeters,
>according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary.  

And salt water is heavier than fresh water.
From: jt@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Sebastian Theriault)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: "You're so vain" - Carley Simon. Who i
Date: 15 Aug 92 12:20:43 GMT
Reply-To: jt@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Sebastian Theriault)
Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U

You know, this is a question in the original Trivial Pursuit game.
Unfortunately I don't remember the answer. Does anybody care try to
find it?

--
Jean-Sebastien Theriault               "This is my signature quote."
jt@dcs.ed.ac.uk                                            -me
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: The Brunswick Affair
Keywords: A quart?!
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:00:38 GMT

mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) writes:

>tlouie@athena.mit.edu (Tom Louie) writes:

>>That sounds a lot like the David Cronenberg movie Videodrome.  It is a
>>gory movie about a television station that's broadcasting subliminal
>>snuff films in an attempt to control the world.  Unbeliebably AFU-ish.

>The station is in Pittsburgh, no less!

Come to think of it, I don't think the station was in Pittsburgh,
but that's where the snuff films were coming from.  Cronenberg
did a much better job when he recycled some of the plot elements
and pasted them together with some Burroughs to make _Naked Lunch._

-- 
Matt McIrvin, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: lmh@world.std.com (Larry M Headlund)
Subject: Re: Sanity
Summary: A WWII sighting of a similar story  
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:30:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug5.193831.15947@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards) writes:
>>>>st890270@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (LUCIFER) writes:
	(woman locked up as insane when she only spoke obscure language)
>
>Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt!  I'm sorry.  Thank you for playing!
>Close, but no cigar.
>
>This was an episode of the sitcom Barney Miller.  
	(rest deleted)

	George Orwell in an essay in Volume III of his Collected Essays
relates a similar story.
	Two soldiers are captured by the British in Europe.  They speak to 
each other in a unknown language and understand none of the languages tried
on them.
	Finally,  a British noncom who has served in India recognizes it as
a Tibetean dialect and is able to communicate with them.  Their journey goes
something like:
	Drafted by the Chinese.
	Captured by Soviets,  transfered to Soviet Army.
	Captured by Germans,  transfered to German forces.
	Captured by British.

The likelyhood of the story I can't vouch for,  but it does show that incidents
like this (or stories like this) have been around for a while.
in 
-- 
Larry Headlund  lmh@world.std.com    Eikonal Systems (617) 482-3345
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Peter? What Peter?
From: derek@nezsdc.icl.co.nz (Derek Tearne)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 06:27:33 GMT
Organization: Fujitsu New Zealand

In article <25531@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
>
>August 17, 1992
>
>      Official Usenet Alt.Folklore.Urban Frequently Posted Legends
>
>OFFICIAL PETER OF AFU
>  - Peter van der Linden
 
This is all well and good but....  Where is he these days.  Surely he's
not lurking with all them Terries.  It's just I haven't seen any posts
from PvdL for sooo long and I was wondering if this portends the 'imminent
death of the Net'.

 
>Have you ever wondered how those people have gotten the name at the end
>as thoughtful posters of reliable information. They have consistently added 
>value to various debates by sharing their point of view, and often researching 
>difficult questions which arise on the net, and posting authoritative facts 
>citing sources.

I tried that but it didn't work.

>The unofficial way to get on the list is to give me a big payoff.

Ah. Thats what I was doing wrong.  The two fifty is in the mail.

Derek "And all this time I thought the password was Churchill" Tearne
      "Or was that Disraeli"


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From: pt@geovision.gvc.com (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: Co-ed Dorms!
Reply-To: pt@geovision.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:24:47 GMT

gfritz@sage.cc.purdue.edu ("Happy Fun Ball") writes:

>At Purdue, "co-ed" means that members of the opposite sex get to eat in the
>same room together.

Shouldn't that be 'members of the opposite sex "eats, roots, shoots and
leaves" together.'?

Whoops - wrong thread...

-- 
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(This is not an official opinion of GeoVision Systems Inc.)
"I just posted from babbage.museum.london.uk, and BOY ARE MY ARMS TIRED!!"
   - Rolf Wilson in alt.folklore.computers
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From: styri@hal.nta.no (YuNoHoo)
Subject: Re: Cow Tipping/Alligators in Sewers
Reply-To: styri@nta.no
Organization: Bohemians and Globetrotters, Unlimited
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 15:59:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.060659.29114@PA.dec.com>, snopes quotes _The New Yorker_:
>
> In 1935, a seven-foot alligator was found in a sewer on East 123rd Street,

[and later]
>
> alligators live at temperatures between seventy-eight and ninety degrees, and 
> caimans need temperatures between eighty-four and a hundred, so if an animal 
> was flushed or dumped into the sewer it might survive the spring, summer, and 
> fall, but winter's cold would kill it.

Good research by the reporter. According to Brunvand [TVH] the 1935 story
was published in the _Times_ on February 10th. That's winter by my book.

---
YuNoHoo	"If I get the time I'll dig up something from the Paris underground"
From: perry@Unify.Com (Perry Clarke)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Driving tests
Keywords: n
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:29:16 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation

egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) wrote:
>>In article <1992Aug13.152447.23346@specialix.co.uk> martin@specialix.co.uk (Martin) writes:
>>
>>>I had previously heard the story as the Egyptian driving test where you
>>>have to drive 9 yards forwards and 9 yards backwards.
>>>
>>>Which, if either, is true?
>
>[familiar stuff about CA driving test deleted]
>                                                      ...  We did have
>to park on a hill (this being the Bay Area, where Real Hills are).
>This was amusing: the tester said, park behind that car over there,
>and I started to parallel park (being from NYC).  She said, no, no,
>no, just park.  It took about a minute for it to register in my head
>that "park" seems to just mean, "pull in behind that car".  Actually,
>I lost 6 points doing this, since I didn't turn my wheels into the
>curb (being from NYC, where all the hills have been flattened for our
>convenience).  So, I guess parking on a hill is worth more than
>whacking pedestrians.

I just took the test in Sacramento (my UK driver's license not being good
enough for the Republic) and I had to do the hill parking thing here too.
The "hill" was sufficiently ill defined that you could open a book on which
way a ball bearing would roll if placed on the road.  I also lost the six
points for "not touching the curb with my wheels" (I turned them like you
are supposed to).  The examiner relaxed a lot after telling me of my mistake
- I guess that they are not allowed to give 100% scores and since the test
is geared towards people who have been driving for several weeks its a bit
too easy for anyone who has had another license for a while.

>
>(The cutoff score was around a 70, so I'm not sure what you have to do
>to fail)
>

I had wondered that too.

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Perry Clarke                   perry@unify.com                 (916) 928 6287
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