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From: Robyn.C.Reed@dartmouth.edu (Robyn C. Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Closing Ceremonies: What *do* Catalonians sniff?
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:04:49 GMT
 <1992Aug10.160430.7744@maths.tcd.ie>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Aug10.160430.7744@maths.tcd.ie>
pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) writes:

> I thought it was seriously f*cked up; whoever did the design was doing
> something serious. Think of the flying maggot with four giant pendulous
> breasts - can you imagine _anything_ like that at Atlanta '96? I think
> the bland cheesy sub-Carpenters dance provided was proof enough of what
> to expect in four years time. 

Also: could the audience really see much of the action?  The NBC view
from a blimp was pretty indistinct,and that had the merit of being an
overhead view.  In the parts where there was just torchlight, I imagine
that's all you could see - torchlight.
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From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Yes, Definitely.  Re: Chinese athlets
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:51:06 GMT

In article <92Aug5.145216edt.105@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>In article <C85PERWE.92Aug5101121@odal24.IDA.LiU.SE> c85perwe@und.ida.liu.se writes:
>>In article <1992Aug5.030111.23552@news.uakron.edu> r2yg@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Yuehua Guo) writes:
>[......]  
>>   swimmers. They won 3 silvers and one bronze there. As a matter of fact,
>>   I was a little disappointed that they didn't win any gold medal in Seoul.
>>   I don't think there was any
>>   East German connection at that time. So what's the big deal win four gold
>>   medals here in Barcelona and why it should be called as a sudden emergence.
>>   I feel the Chinese swimming atheletes made slow progress, and other people
>>   think it is too fast, which is how people get informed nowadays.
>>
>>   Here is a few facts you may want related to the 4 gold medal swimmers:
>>
>>Just one question:  If one subtract the East Germans from the '88
>>Olympics, would China have taken any more medals then?  Better medals?

In swimming, Outto (?) won all of the gold medals except one silver medal.
6 out 7, or, 4 out of 5. (sorry, can't remember which one.) 

>Maybe, maybe not.  I don't remember quite clearly but I think their
>chief competitor that time were also the US swimmers.  If the East Germans were
>not in Seoul in '88, everyone's rank will improve, isn't that obvious?
From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: american diver
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:23:52 GMT
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN

In article <1992Aug12.102523.3951@kth.se> TordM@VanD.PhySto.SE writes:
>
> could anybody fill me in about his diver who just "lost" the grip of one
>of his knees and just fell on his back into the water, and got real red??
>did he do that on purpose as some kind of protest or did he actually loose
>his grip (which seems like an extremly unlikly thing to happen) ??
>
>
>
>
>
>---------------+--------------------------------
> Tord Malmgren | InterNet: TordM@VanD.PhySto.SE | These opinions are my own,
>               | BITNet  : TordM@SESUF51        | and NOT of this department!
>---------------+--------------------------------
> Department of Physics, University of Stockholm 

His name is Matt Scoggin, and he's the new "The agony of defeat" poster-man.

Joel Alvstad
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
alvstad@stolaf.edu
From: roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: OUCH!!! Another memorable quote (though not exact)
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:49:22 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

deanc@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Dean Cashen) writes:
>
>I like Bud Collins; he's certainly got a lot of personality. . . .
>
>Dean Cashen
>-- Boise

So, you're the one!!! I always wondered...

	-- Don

--
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From: 10702946@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (PARTH DESAI)
Subject: Pant MR wiseguy
Keywords: India, Sports
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:37:07 GMT

In article <Aug.12.16.51.55.1992.19288@remus.rutgers.edu> pant@remus.rutgers.edu (Ashish Pant) writes:
>From: pant@remus.rutgers.edu (Ashish Pant)
>Subject: Re: India will withdraw from Major Sports
>Keywords: India, Sports
>Date: 12 Aug 92 20:51:55 GMT
>This is in reply to Rajiv Dattas expression of relief on the
>announcement of Indian athletes being banned from all major Int'l
>sporting events. He says this will save him the emabrassment he his
>subjected to each time he calls himself Indian. With all due sympathies
>I suggest he do the following. He should get a Green Card (could be
>acquired by working for some American company or lets just say by any
>other devious way he maybe aware of i.e. ifif he already doesn't have
>one),and then five years later he will be eligible to become an
>American( that again if he already isn't one). This I am sure will

get your facts straight smartarse.Cant you read the address.We are in 
Australia and not the bloody US.

And yes we are ecstatic about the aussie performance at BarcelonaBeing in 
the top ten in the world is a great achievement.






>relieve him of all the embarassment a lot of Indians just like me put
>him through.
>
>P.S. ITS NOT LIKE HE WAS NOT GOING TO DO THAT ANYWAY, SO I HOPE HE
>DOES NOT GET OFFENDED IN ANYWAY. IAM GENUINELY CONCERNED.
>

he has been eligible for Australian citizenship for the last 16 years and 
none of the past embarassments caused by India or India has made him accept 
Indian citizenship.All are not as gutless as yourself.





>All other netters who happen to read this please excuse the sarcasm. I
>couldn't bear the burden anymore. I do not even come close to any of
>the athletes representing India and am probably a much bigger
>embarrasment for him. I probably doubled the inferiority complex Rajiv

Ignorent people like you are the biggest embarassment and no you are not 
even close to any athlete representing India,because lets face it even if we 
got no medals the atheletes at least had some class.



>bhai is obviously suffering from. Rajiv if you wish to reply kindly do
>so. Aapki sewamai haazir hoon pant@remus.rutgers.edu
>
>				Thanks!


Rajib is presently not here but as a friend i felt obliged to respond on his 
behalf.I am sure he will respond when he reads your ignorent,know it all post




Parth
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: Chinese Training Methods and Incentives
Summary: About training restrictions
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:31:03 GMT

In article <Aug.2.21.15.51.1992.18058@remus.rutgers.edu> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes (in part):
>
>Also, is an Olympic medal *really* worth a third or more of a
>child's life?  I'm sure some Americans train this hard, but
>at least the American government isn't paying athletes some
>absurd amount of money if they win a medal, and I believe
>that there are restrictions on how many hours a week a child
>can train.

I won't comment about the money aspect, but I will address training.

Ironically, I don't think there are any restrictions on the number of hours a 
child can train, but the NCAA has placed restrictions on college athletes 
participating in (mostly) individual sports - 20 hrs/wk max.  As a result, 
several students are giving up their eligibilty/scholarships (although some 
can probably make up the latter in endorsements, which are also forbiddene
by the NCAA - witness Janet Evans, Summer Sanders and Anita Nall).  The impact 
has already been felt in swimming, look for men's gymnastics to be next.

To me, it's even more ironic that most of these athletes have better academic
records than many of those in team sports like football and basketball.  Evans 
and Pablo Morales immediately come to mind.

Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com
From: palmerk@westford.ccur.com (Kenneth S. Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: How do you get Olympic Highlights video?
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:44:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.  Westford, MA


Does anyone know how to get the video for highlights of the 1992 Summer Games?
I know highlight videos have been advertised in the past, but I have not seen
any advertisement this time.

Thanks in advance for your help -

palmerk@westford.ccur.com
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From: gc3@jcnpc.cmhnet.org (George Cifrancis)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Olympic Trading Cards!
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:29:58 GMT
Organization: Homebrew Virtual Reality Labs

Anyone here collect those Olympic Trading Cards (the 1992 Olympic
hopefuls)?

I am looking for some of them? Want to trade or sell some?
Send me personal email at the address below.
thanks

George Cifrancis
gc3@jcnpc.cmhnet.org
From: wft@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Bill Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Age-rule (Was Re: Kim Zmeskal)
Keywords: gymnastics
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:50:15 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Canterbury

> It just seems a
>shame that athletes who could have been, and wanted to be, the best in
>the world were not, simply because they didn't start when they were
>young enough.  But I don't think the age limit is a solution.

Perhaps a fair solution would be to have several gymnastic sections; divided
by age; just as boxing and weightlifting are divided by weight ?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
From: mccubbin@connext.ucs.sfu.ca (Bruce McCubbin)
Subject: Re: Banned Techniques
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:59:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.141810.8650@walter.bellcore.com>  
kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner) writes:
|> 
> |>   Like they didn't ban the Fosbury Flop because it was invented
> |>   by an American.  I don't see why they should ban new techniques
> |>   either.  I suppose one could ban the slam-dunk in basketball
> |>   too, while they're at it.
> 
> The slam dunk used to be banned in NCAA, and I believe it used to be banned  
in
> the Olympics.  To say that the Flop wasn't banned because Dick Fosbury was a  
US
> athlete is utterly ridiculous (look at Berkoff above).
> 
The "Fosbury Flop" style is also credited to Debbie Brill (the "Brill Bend)
at about the same time (1967?).  Anyway, the slam dunk is one part of a
basketball game just as the backstroke is one aspect of swimming.  However,
since several medals are awarded in the swimming discipline, the governing
body probably wants to discriminate amongst the styles.  I guess they 
amended the rules to screw up all the athletes who were learning the new
technique or maybe just to prevent it from becoming a first-to-the-end-of-
the-pool winner-take-all event.  Any savings in precious metals would be
negated by lost fan interest and TV revenue.
 
Bruce McCubbin
From: shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Arrogance and the Olympics
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:48:23 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <cummings.713641037@milton> cummings@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Cummings) writes:
>rodgers@brandonu.ca writes:
>
>>If an American does
>>not stand a chance in winning an event, they [NBC] will not show it.
>
>	You mean like the equestrian events, weightlifting, both marathons,
>steeplechase, 1500 meters, 10K, pole vault, and gymnastics?

All the running events are enormously popular in the US, where a huge
proportion of the population runs for recreation and exercise, so that
takes care of all the footraces.

The pole vault and gymnastics are two of the marquee events of the
games (read: telegenic), so they get shown, too. It didn't hurt that
Zmeskal and Miller were two of the top-rated gymnasts in the world
(and still are, despite Zmeskal's "failure" at Barcelona).

I won't offer an "explanation" or excuse for NBC showing equestrian
events, except maybe that NBC isn't perfect (and thus accidentally
showed an occasional non-marquee, non-American dominated sport,
because they had to fill in the schedule somehow).  Remember that the
day the equestrian events were shown (Sunday), Track and Field had a
rest day, and they needed something real bad to fill the airwaves.

Overall, my verdict for NBC's coverage still stands: a 5 out of 10.
OK, so I'm more generous than some of the more virulent NBC bashers,
but really, they deserve a lot of the flak they're getting.  I'm
almost overjoyed to hear that they are losing money big-time. Maybe
next time, the asking bids will drop (sorry, City of Atlanta), and
networks won't feel so much pressure to do a plasticky, gimmicky
coverage of the sports.
--
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Silicon Graphics Inc.			Phone:	+1-415-390-2072
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From: craigj@cs.sfu.ca (Craig Kenneth Jones)
Subject: Medals / population 
Followup-To: rec.sport.olympics 
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 21:08:51 GMT

Just curious on this one.

Does anyone have a listing of the number of medals "per capita".  

That is to say, a sort of normalization of the number of medals based on
the population of the country ( #medals / population ), because of the higher
probability of larger countries getting more medals (assumably).

Short of this, could someone e-mail me the final medal count.

Thanks.

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			  				          Vancouver, BC
E-mail:
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From: lizb@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Liz Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: High Points and Low Points of the '92 summer Olympic Games
Date: 16 Aug 92 17:48:57 GMT
Reply-To: lizb@altdorf.ai.mit.edu
Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab.
In-reply-to: rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu's message of 12 Aug 92 16:32:26 GMT

In article <85993@netnews.upenn.edu> rsk@aspen.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:

   Canadian rower Silken Laumann coming back from severe injuries to
   win a Bronze medal.  (And coming from me, that's saying a lot:
   I think all flatwater boaters, especially rowers, are weenies -- but 
   I'll make an exception for her.  I still can't figure out how they managed
   to have an accident rowing in straight lines on flat water, though.)

Weenies?  And how do you measure weenie-ness?  The highest blood
lactate levels ever measured have come from rowers.  I think XC skiers
are a close second (Ron?  Kai?  Correct me if I'm wrong.)

The ignorance about the sport implied by your last comment (not
knowing that rowers face *backwards*, which makes accidents common
when people are lax about lanes and directions) offers some
explanation for your lack of respect.  Ironic, but common, for people
to have such strong negative opinions about things they know little
about.

Liz Bradley 
MIT AI Lab
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From: leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino)
Subject: Re: World and Olympic Records
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory of Structural Engineering
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 09:20:17 EET


In article <46382@shamash.cdc.com> paul@svl.cdc.com (Paul Kohlmiller) writes:
>leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino) writes:
>>The triple jump was won by Powell(?) of US with a result which exceeds
>>the world record but could not be accepted to be a new world record
>>because there was too much wind from behind. So the olympic record is
>>now better than the world record and someone can really jump more than
>>the world record in Atlanta and not do a new olympic record.
>Is this true? Certainly someone from Finland probably knows more about

I may have mislead you. If I was wrong I'll apologize.
It is only that I was almost sure to have seen this small "New OR"
sign on TV when Powell jumped his best one. The sign of course does not
prove anything?
But I don't really see any reason why it should not be the New OR.

Most people in Finland know a lot about track and field. This of course
does not mean that I'd be sitting here with a book of rules on my lap.
But you just have to look at the total count of medals in all Olympics games
to notice that we have a very long history of track and field sports behind
us. I am sorry to say behind us, because at the moment it really looks
like our success is only history!?

-- 
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PL 26, SF-02151 ESPOO, Finland
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From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago)
Subject: Re: synchro swim
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:02:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.234746.2581@panix.com> tovah@panix.com (Tovah Hollander) writes:
>>when you consider the
>>technical aspect of the sport, s.s. is near the top of the list when
>>considering sports which require a great amount of physical fitness
>>AND skill.
>
>Anyone can see that the synchronized swimmers are terrifically fit and
>performing amazing physical feats.
>
>It would just be a lot easier to take s.s. seriously if they got rid of
>the shellacked hair, 3-inch-thick waterproof make-up, plastic smiles,
>and hometown-4th-of-July-parade costumes.

AGREED! And don't forget the "Ms Robot" moves! I really admire the
swimmer's fitness and split-second timing, but all those things just
mentioned make me want to barf, so I don't watch the sport anymore.

What ss needs is it's own version of Torvill & Dean. Is it against 
the rules to look serious? To use fluid, balletic movements? To
use really interesting, challenging music? I guess so. 

Vickie
From: billw@regal.cisco.com (William )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: GYMNASTICS: responses to various items...
Date: 15 Aug 92 07:35:47 GMT
	<1992Aug15.003733.14888@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: cisco Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message are those of an
	      individual at SRI International, and do not necessarily
	      reflect those of the company.


    The MEN's judges and the WOMEN's judges? Ouch! You mean in
    gymnastics the men's and women's point systems are so different
    that they have totally different judges?

Well, yes.  At least historically.  Things that are B moves for men
are (were) C moves for women.  The Women's code of points places more
emphasis on combinations of moves (eg X is a C, but two in a row are
a D) (and well it should, especially on beam!).  Women have dance in
their floor routines, and are supposed to have some artistic expression
in their beam routines too.  Except for floor and vaulting, the events
are totally different.

Now, for the olympic finalists, you can sort of assume that all
the routines are worth 10s, so maybe the judges COULD be less skilled
(all they have to look for is steps on the dismount, right?  Whoever
takes the least steps wins!  :-)  But you don't get to be an olympic
judge by just counting steps.

Gymnastics judges are trained and certified.  I believe that there are
separate certifications required for each different level of gymnastics.]

BillW
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From: tnt@aball.in-berlin.de (Andreas Jennen)
Subject: Olympia 2000
Organization: UUCP EDV-Beratung Andreas Jennen Berlin, Germany
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:28:20 GMT

 
 Hi !

  'm trying to find out what you think about Olympia in the year
	 2000. Where should it happen ?

		 1) Berlin
		 2) Peking
		 3) Sidney
       4) anywhere else, give me the name of the city

		  Please send your answer to 

		  tnt@aball.in-berlin.de

		  And please answer, and please no kidding :-)

			  THANX  a LOT    tnt


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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: Olympia 2000
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 08:32:41 GMT

In article <9222614.22706@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, strick@nabilla.ee.mu.oz.au (Larry Strickland) writes:
> In article <TQZ5RJ@aball.in-berlin.de> tnt@aball.in-berlin.de (Andreas Jennen) writes:
>> 
>> Hi !
>>
>>  'm trying to find out what you think about Olympia in the year
>>	 2000. Where should it happen ?
>>
>>		 1) Berlin
>>		 2) Peking
>>		 3) Sidney
>                 ^^^^^^
> That should be Sydney.  It would be nice to have it in the southern
> hemisphere again. 

Oh, so Brasilia is in the northern hemisphere [chuckle].  Hehe.

> The big problem with Australia is that it causes
> direct telecasts (and therefore big bucks) to fall outside prime time
> television (Peking might have the same problem).

Seoul didn't.  Anyway, Sydney will be on AEDT, same as Seoul.

>>       4) anywhere else, give me the name of the city

Try Berlin, Manchester, Milan, Brasilia, Beijing, Sydney, Tashkent (rumour is
also Cape Town/Johannesburg, RSA, may join the bid for 2000).

Rod
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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Ann Marden, Sculling; What Place?
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 04:37:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.001616.17251@cs.wisc.edu> chavey@jalapeno.cs.wisc.edu (Darrah Chavey) writes:
>I missed the finals of the women's sculling. Can anyone tell me how Ann
>(Anne?) Marden from the U.S. did? I can't find sculling in any report
>anywhere, except for saying that Silkenn Laumann came in third.
>

A very close fourth.

Gerald