HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: hsu@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu)
Subject: new Chicago improv groups
Organization: Univ of Illinois, Center for Supercomputing R&D, Urbana, IL
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:09:50 GMT


Flying Luttenbachers live

	This was taped when the Luttenbachers played on WNUR, the 
Northwestern U. station, on John Corbett's show in Feb. (Corbett writes
for Wire, Cadence, Buttrag and all those hip improv rags.) Back then
the lineup was Chicago free jazz oldtimer Hal Russell on trumpet, tenor
and soprano, Chad Organ on tenor and Weasel Walter on drums. This is
a lot more jazz-y (in the '60s energy music sense) than their opening
gig for Zeni Geva, and has more of the manic cartoon NRG Ensemble flavor
(because of Hal, of course). They do Ayler's Witches and Devils and
Ghosts, a few Hal Russell tunes, a few originals (by Weasel) and 
(ahem) "Survivors Suite". Lots of spirited freeblowing in between the
wacky heads, great fun. You also get Hal's hilarious deadpan gravelly
commentary in between the tunes. 

Javelin Bats	something or other

	A solo project by Weasel Walter, on drums and guitar (overdubbed).
From the liner notes, it's his "reaction" to all the critical drooling over
Rudolph Grey's Mask of Light. He's no Rashied Ali (who is), but there is
some raucous and very energetic noisy wailing guitar here, in that 
no-holds-barred Sonny Sharrock style. It doesn't all work, but much of
it holds up surprisingly well, especially considering that it's an
overdubbed duet. Hardly essential, but good fun.

Flying Luttenbachers and Javelin Bats are available from ug/EXPLODE
Records, POB 82, Chicago IL 60690-0082. There'll be an ep of the new
Luttenbachers lineup (with Ken Vandermark replacing Hal Russell).

Bill
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: roc@apollo.HP.COM (R. O. Curtis)
Subject: Son House
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:47:07 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

|> >A guy I know saw House playing live at a blues festival shortly before
|> >he died.  Apparantly he could hardly play a thing; his singing was off
|> >and he couldn't tune his guitar.  It's sad to hear of such a powerful
|> >performer weakened by age to the point where he can no longer get his
|> >music out.  

I was lucky enough to see S. H. up close and 
personal just after his '63 rediscovery at the 
old Club 47 in Cambridge.  He was clearly 
nervous and a little rusty (this may have been 
one his first public performances), but was 
able in the end to turn in both instrumental 
and vocal performances that I can still 
remember vividly almost thirty years later.

He had been assumed dead for quite a while, so 
the mere fact that he had materialized was
pretty impressive at the time.

-r
From: jjones@Apple.COM (Joel Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: history of blues music
Date: 20 Aug 92 01:05:42 GMT
Reply-To: jjones@uiuc.edu
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

880139h@dragon.acadiau.ca (Rob Hutten) writes:
>Man oh man, you have to get `Legends of the Blues.'  It's a perfect
>primer on blues from 1925-1960.  It's got all the great old bluesmen
>(and blueswomen): Bessie Smith, Blind Willie Johnson, Willie McTell,
>Charlie Patton, Leadbelly, Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, Son House,
>etc...  Anyway, it's full of must-hears if you want to get into the
>good old stuff.

>I forget which label did this compilation, but they released quite
>a number of blues recordings in the last couple years and they all
>(from what I've heard and read) are quite good.  Ask at your local
>record store.

The Label was Columbia, "Legends of the Blues: Volume 1", CT46215.
  Side 1
    St. Louis Blues--Bessie Smith, 1925
    Match Box Blues--Blind Lemon Jefferson, 1927
    Ain't No Tellin'--Mississippi John Hurt, 1928
    Lord, I Just Can't Keep From Cryin'--Blind Willie Johnson, 1928
    Pigmeat Is What I Crave--Bo Carter, 1931
    Southern Can Is Mine-- Blind Willie McTell as Blind Sammie, 1931
    Low Down St. Louis Blues--Lonnie Johnson, 1931
    Revenue Man Blues--Charley Patton, 1934
    Stormy Night Blues--Leroy Carr, 1934
    I Believe I'll Make a Change--Joshua White as Pinewood Tom, 1934
  Side 2
    Fort Worth And Dallas Blues-- Huddie Ledbetter (Leadbelly), 1935
    Sweet Home Blues--Peetie Wheatstraw, 1936
    Stop Breakin' Down Blues--Robert Johnson, 1937
    Truckin My Blues Away, #2--Blind Boy Fuller, 1937
    Spreadin' Snakes Blues--Big Bill Broonzy, 1939
    Nothing In Ramblin'--Memphis Minnie, 1940
    Fixin' To Die Blues--Bukka White, 1940
    Hard Day Blues--Muddy Waters, 1946
    Don't You Leave Me Here--Big Joe Williams, 1947
    Death Letter--Son House, 1965

It also has short descriptions of the songs and the artists.
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:04:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Trumpets (Was Playing diff trpts)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote

In rec.music.bluenote, joey@berkeley.edu (Joe Hellerstein) writes:

> For all you physics weenies, note that the pedal on the trumpet is the
> fundamental wave of the tube, while the lowest "real" note is the
> first harmonic.  On flugelhorns you can hit the fundamental for real
> (although if you don't have 4 valves you have to skip down to it).

Just curious - why is that?  Why can you do it on fluegel but not trumpet?
How about cornet?  Why does having four valves matter?  Why would you have to
"skip down" to it?  What do you mean by "skip down", anyhow?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marc Sabatella           Winner, 1992 First Annual Bill Evans Lookalike Contest
marc@fc.hp.com
From: gwl%wave3_1@CONCERT.NET (Glenn Lea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: 'Round Midnight collection ?
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:16:02 GMT
Reply-To: gwl%wave3_1@concert.net

>>>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 1992 19:14:17 GMT, wave3_3!pure.com!rpeck (Ray Peck) said:

  Ray> I've read that there's a fairly new CD out which is a collection of
  Ray> various musicians' versions of Monk's Round Midnight.  What are the
  Ray> details?

  Ray> Email please, as I don't normally read this group.

This is probably a reissue of "Round Midnight", a Fantasy LP that came
out in '87 in an attempt to make some $$$ in the wake of the RM movie.
There were 7 versions of the tune by Monk himself, Miles, Stan Getz,
Wes Montgomery, Bill Evans, Art Pepper and Ron Carter.

Reminds me of the Rhino collections "The Best of Louie Louis" and "The
Best of La Bamba".


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Glenn Lea - reply to gwl@wavetracer.com
Wavetracer, Inc.
From: Judith_Beeman@mindlink.bc.ca (Judith Beeman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Coltrane/Miles Davis ???
Date: 22 Aug 92 05:35:26 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Greetings...judith here from Vancouver, BC. I need to know the answers to three
jazz questions, this is where you come in> pls post here or email me if you can
answer either of the following:

1 What was a psuedonon that Charlie Parker used?

2 What year did John Coltrane die?

To be honest with you, these ?'s were handpicked by Henry Rollins (exblack
flag, writer, publisher, solo artist)as questions for a Canadian based "rock"
music show. If I send in a winning entry I win a "search and destroy" tee and
some of his newer music. Oh boy! I'm actually looking forward to the info about
Coltrane an artist I don't know much about...I heard a profile on the NYC based
band Helmet who's guitarist sights Coltrane as his major influence. And this is
a semihardcore band. Interesting? Which Coltrane recordings would you suggest I
check out? Thanks.

Judith_Beeman@mindlink.ca
From: jgthomas@crchh420.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Crispell recs
Keywords: Crispell
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:26:01 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx

Thanks to all for your suggestions.  I can readily get 
THE KITCHEN CONCERT (I believe on Leo) though and nobody
seemed to mention that one.  Anybody have this one?
Reviews heartily encouraged and appreciated...

John
From: austin@decisv.ucs.dec.com (Cathy Austin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: what's hot
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:24:04 GMT
Reply-To: austin@decisv.ucs.dec.com (Cathy Austin)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Here's what I've been listening to:

1. Kevin Eubanks - Turning Point.  This is a good recording.  The lineup is
Kent Jordan af, Dave Holland b, Marvin "Smitty" Smith d, Charnett Moffett b,
Mark Mondesir d.  If you liked Dave Holland's Extensions, you'll enjoy this
one.  Thank goodness he signed with Bluenote.  BN CDP 98170 2

2. Straight Ahead - Look Straight Ahead.  These are five beautiful women from 
Detroit.  Regina Carter violin; Cynthia Dewberry lv, fl; Eileen Orr kb; Marion
Hayden-Banfield contrabass; Gayelynn McKinney per.  The recording reminds me
of artists like Bobby Watson & Charles Fambough.  Atlantic 82373-2

From the liner notes:

"Throughout the history of popular art and culture has come a misguided
belief that if one is influenced by more than one school of thought, that
somehow the artistic viewpoint will become hopelessly myopic due to aesthetic
compromises.  It is this position of graceless snobbery that has formed 
an effete patina of melancholy (for artist and lyamen  alike) which is 
almost impossible to overcome in this now thoughtless conservative era...
STRAIGHT AHEAD is an aggregation that will uphold the gret values laid before
them and never fall victim to the contrived tastes of momentary fads."


3. Hank Mobley - No Room for Squares.  Lee Morgan tp, Andrew Hill p, John Ore b,
Philly Joe Jones d.  October 1963 date.  Good hard bop.  BN CDP 7 84149 2.


4. Booker Little - Victory and Sorrow.  Little tp, Julian Priester tb, Don
Friedman p, George Coleman ts, Pete La Roca d, Reggie Workman b.  August or 
September 1961.  Betheleham BR-5009/BCP-6034

5. Graham Haynes & No Image "What Time it Be!"  Haynes cornet, Lance Bryant
ts, Andy Bassford g, Marque Gilmore per, Mfergu  syn, p; Gergory Latty d, per,
Dave Gilmore b, Kevin Bruce Harris b on #8.  If you like MBASE stuff you'll 
like this.  Muse MCD 5402

6. Doug Hammond "SPACES".  Steve Coleman as, Hammond d, and some other artist
but I've misplaced the liner notes.  This is supposed to be the grand-daddy
of MBASE music.



Cathy A.
--
Freedom Child
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From: goldrick@ug.cs.dal.ca (Majeed  Goldrick)
Subject: Concerts in NYC/Boston
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 23:52:23 GMT

Hi there,

I'm new to this group, and therefore don't know the protocall, but
here it goes anyway... (Where's the FAQ on FTP??)

I'm going to be in Boston and New York City between September 5th
and 13th (My first time in each..).  I was wondering if anyone has
a list of upcoming Jazz concerts in either city during that time.
If you do, please e-mail me with it...

Thanks, 

Majeed
From: 70003.1620@CompuServe.COM (Jim Ryan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Newport ticket plea
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:30:03 GMT

Would anyone out there happen to have one extra ticket for
Saturday (August 15) of the JVC Jazz Festival at Newport?
I'm dying to see this, but worked out details to allow me to go
just a little too late:  It's now sold out.  If anyone can be of
any help to me, please email me at  70003.1620@compuserve.com.
Please email rather than reply since I can't read this newsgroup,
only post to it.  Thanks so much,

Jim Ryan

Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Keith Jarrett in Sun (8/16) NYT
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:43:47 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I think it's annoying that Jarrett sets up anonymous straw men as a
disguise that everyone is supposed to see through: for example,

>John Coltrane
>could not have led a television band, and J. S. Bach would not have
>appeared on talk shows or showed up at photo sessions to promote his
>new harpsichord concerto.  New Age music is Jell-O, world music is a
>hoax, and avant-jazz (whatever that means) doesn't exist.  (Please
>listen to Ornette Coleman, guys!  There is natural intelligence and
>nutrition.) 

Even without the previous dust-up in the letters column, it is 
obvious he is referring to Branford.  This is, I feel, a cheap shot,
and mistakenly implies that he (Branford) _must_ be selling out.
Let the music be the judge.  

If Keith thinks J.S. Bach would never have done talk shows or photo
shoots, that just shows he has never read any of Bach's letters or
dedications, in which he, well, stoops for patronage, dishes out
obsequious praise, and curries favor.  As did all the other musicians
of his time.  That doesn't stop me from revering Bach and his music.
(Actually I bet KJ knows this but is conveniently forgetting it.)

I don't really see what purpose it serves for Jarrett to (covertly)
run down other musicians in the pages of the NY Times, and:

>Life is a process.  We're losing the concept of "becoming," because
>this, too, is circular.  We have a world in which one "bit" is
>reaplaced by another, and the thing we recognize as "value" is our
>chase to the next edge, the next "bit."  [...]

Y'know Keith this sounds a bit like New Age Jello to me.  Jarrett
is a great musician but sometimes I think, in his music and now in
his writing, what he needs is a great editor.  

Ben Weiner

P.S. obligatory opinion: I'd like to see the Times have Braxton write a
half-page article!
From: mcnamara@vixvax.mgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Dallas' Upcoming Jazz Events.
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:34:43 CDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Aug18.155444.20870@bnr.ca
>, jgthomas@crchh420.BNR.CA (John Thomas) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug17.204957.9117@exu.ericsson.se>,
> exubma@exu.ericsson.se (Bassam Madi) writes:
> |> 
> |> John Scofield is appearing in the Caravan of Dreams next month.
> |> Sonny Rollins is coming Nov. (4th, I think). Yes
> |> Bassam
> |> --
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> |> exubma@exu.ericsson.se   |   when U are dealing with turkeys??
> |> Ph. (214) 733-4339       | 
> 
> Rollins is supposed to appear Nov. 6 from the last Observer I consulted.
> 
> I wouldn't hold your breath though.  I have tried to see him twice
> here in Dallas the last couple years and he cancelled both times
> "due to illness."  

	I'm not sure what you are getting at here ......  do you think
that Sonny was not sick?  That the promoters cancelled and claimed illness
on his part?  He is no spring chicken (~60?) and does have some health
problems, so her may very well have been sick.  In any case I would
urge everyone in the area to get tickets ... here is one of the true
masters who won't be with us forever.

						Curt

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From: bruces@sco.COM (Bruce Steinberg)
Subject: Re: Boston Sound
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Distribution: rec.music.bluenote
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:12:31 GMT


I knew the '60s were over when corman@Ingres.COM (Anthony Corman) said,
Yo! To the requester of band names:
Yo! 
Yo!             <...>
Yo! 
Yo! Anyone else got Boston Sound trivia? Club names? Catacombs (Boylston
Yo! nr Mass Ave), Boston Tea Party (orig South End, then Lansdowne (sp) St.
Yo! What else?
Yo! 
////////////////

Can't forget Paul's Mall.
-- 
Bruce Steinberg  (uunet!sco!bruces, bruces@sco.com)
The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.

               "What if there were no hypothetical questions?"
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: stuart@apollo.hp.com (Stuart Troutman)
Subject: jarrett in ny times
Originator: stuart@mingus
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:25:41 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA


I recommend an article that Keith Jarrett wrote for the New York Times
Arts section this past Sunday (8/16). He discusses the current state of
music, with particular emphasis on the loss of Miles Davis.

                                        -stuart@apollo.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: mcgonig@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca (Gordon McGonigal)
Subject: Re: Bolero
Organization: Dept. of Elect. & Comp. Engineering, U of Manitoba
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:56:30 GMT

Bob James, on his album ONE (CTI 6043, 1974), did a bolero called "Soulero".
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Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering
University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, CANADA (R3T 2N2)       phone: (204) 474-6295
From: millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Miles' best work?
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:16:54 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

I'm surprised no one's mentioned this, perhaps it's not available anymore?

	How about that Miles box set that came out?  I think it was 4
discs that went something like: early years, ballads, fusion, and one
other...I think it was best of Miles on Columbia or something.

	Could someone clarify the title, and perhaps tell the discs #'s
so I could try to locate it... I saw it in a store about a year ago and
haven't seen it since.
-- 
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| "Nuke the unborn gay whales!" |  millerje@cs.colostate.edu  |  Jeff Miller  |
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From: zlsiimw@mcchpc.mcc.ac.uk (Mark Whidby)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Identify these records, anyone?
Date: 13 Aug 92 13:00:24 GMT
Reply-To: M.Whidby@mcc.ac.uk
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1992Aug13.070250.11013@athena.mit.edu>, wildman@athena.mit.edu
(Timothy Worsley) writes:
|> I was going to make this part of the Keith Jarrett discography
|> posting, but forogt...  Anyway, when I was going through Carr's
|> discography to see what I had missed, I made a list of label and #
|> mentioned, to correlate with my own information.  The following items
|> were unaccounted for:
<list deleted>

Huh? If they were in Ian Carr's discography didn't it say what they are?
 
|> Failing that, does anyone know of a good reference book I could find
|> in a library in which I could look them up?

Could Musicmaster help here?
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Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
Subject: Re: history of BLUES music
Organization: NCAR, Boulder CO
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:42:02 GMT

>  = 880139h@dragon.acadiau.ca (Rob Hutten) writes:
>> = mece1xg@Elroy.UH.EDU (purna) writes:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>my question is....does anyone (obviously more knowledgeable than me)
>>have a good compilation of blues artists and/or albums/CDs that would
>>show the progression of the blues over time?

>Man oh man, you have to get `Legends of the Blues.'  It's a perfect
>primer on blues from 1925-1960.  It's got all the great old bluesmen
>(and blueswomen): Bessie Smith, Blind Willie Johnson, Willie McTell,
>Charlie Patton, Leadbelly, Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, Son House,
>etc...  Anyway, it's full of must-hears if you want to get into the
>good old stuff.
>
>I forget which label did this compilation, but they released quite
>a number of blues recordings in the last couple years and they all
>(from what I've heard and read) are quite good.  Ask at your local
>record store.

My personal taste is to get whole CD's by one artist, because often
one or two cuts by an artist is an insufficient sample.  Unfortunately
this can get expensive, so you have to make your own SHORT list of
"must-hears".  Starting from ground zero and doing a little research, 
I came up with this short-list (too long already? 20 CD's can get 
pretty expensive).  Perhaps it can be of use to a neophyte, or perhaps 
an expert can suggest some improvements or corrections.  

-Brian
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Remember, this is supposed to be an historical/introductory SHORT list 
of artists that can be found on CD.

Early: 20's & 30's, earliest recordings, solo acoustic, show band
  o Ma Rainy
  o Charlie Patton
  o Louis Armstrong (hot 5's & 7's, ?blues -> jazz?)
  o Bessie Smith
  o Leadbelly
  o Blind Lemon Jefferson
  o Son House
  o Robert Johnson
  o Sonny Boy Williamson
Mid: 40's & 50's, inventing electric blues
  o Muddy Waters
  o Howlin' Wolf
  o Sonny Boy II (Rice Miller)
  o T-Bone Walker
  o Prof. Longhair (?blues -> zydeco?)
  o Boozoo Chavis  (?blues -> zydeco?)
  o Early Elvis    (?blues -> rock?)
Later: 60's & 70's, refining electric blues
  o B.B. King
  o Albert Collins
  o ???...highly subjective
Current: 80's -> 90's
  o ???

------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: hap@scubed.com (Hap Freiberg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Frogman in the movies?
Date: 19 Aug 92 23:04:01 GMT
Organization: S-CUBED, A Division of Maxwell Labs; San Diego CA

In article <1992Aug19.130207.21629@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> mlj@po.CWRU.Edu (Marcus L. Just) writes:
>
>Okay, 
>	I was in a bar last night and someone played this cool
>song on the jukebox.  It was called "Ain't got a Home," by
>Clarence "Frogman" James.  I had never heard it before but my
                    ^^^^^
Its Clarence "Frogman" Henry....New Orleans singer from the
early '50s.

Hap
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From: goldrick@ug.cs.dal.ca (Majeed  Goldrick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.misc
Subject: Jazz in NYC/Boston Sept 5-13???
Date: 22 Aug 92 23:25:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

Hi there,

I was wondering if anyone has a list of upcoming Jazz concerts in N.Y.C. and/
or Boston areas for the period Sept. 5-13. 

If you do, please e-mail me with it...

Thanks, 

Majeed
From: millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: GIFs via FTP
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:56:57 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

great... as soon as I get a chance, I'll upload a pic I scanned on
a canon cj-10 of Steve Coleman's album "Black Science".  It's 
~768x768x256, and is in Windows 3.x BMP format.  Obviously, it works
great as a background.

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