HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
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Subject: Hughes
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:19:00 -0600

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Reply to: Lynn.Olivier@tdkt.kksys.com
 or Prodigy (RBWN74A)

My current major research project is to find my HUGHES ancestors. I am
working with a small group of people to sort out the VA HUGHES lines
(Welsh, Huegonat, Scottish, English and German). I believe my line is:
  (more available)
Orlando HUGHES  b 1679 Wales  d VA  m Elizabeth?  entered US north of VA
Leander HUGHES  b 1710 VA     d VA  m Edith or Nancy (POWELL?)
Powell  HUGHES  b ca 1735     d 1823  m Elizabeth COLEMAN
Gedeliah HUGHES  b ca 1755 VA  d Smith Co TN age 40 m Elizabeth WALKER
 Rev Served in Rev War from NJ
Gedeliah HUGHES JR b ca 1790 Smith Co TN d Wilson Co TN
Van HUGHES b ca 1820 Wilson Co TN  d Wilson Co TN   m Lizzie VICKERS
Joseph HUGHES b ca 1850 Wilson Co TN  d Wilson Co TN  m Lydia MULLINAX
 (Early Mullinax family was in NJ) Note- This family may have moved
 to Carroll Co MS between 1860-1880
Joseph Arthur HUGHES JR b 1881 TN  d 1936 Lebanon, Wilson Co TN m 1901
 Prosperity Wilson Co TN Callie CORLEY. Joe served WWI from Knoxville
 Blount Co TN- (Callie has a COLEMAN Ancestor in VA).
Sheilah Jackson HUGHES b 1905 Statesville Wilson Co TN d 1969 St Paul

We are hoping to network with others working on these lines.


 * SLMR 2.1a * 1613 HEWITT AVE ST PAUL MN 55104-1221

 * Origin: Dark Knight's Table (1:282/31)
From: ae415@YFN.YSU.EDU ((Kevin Unrue))
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Subject: tiny taffel (?)
Date: 4 Oct 92 23:41:10 GMT
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I'm new to the world of genealogy and I have a question about a
term I see used quite frequently:

What is  "tiny taffel"?

Than you for your patience!

Kevin Unrue


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From: stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer)
Subject: Re: Scanning and printing out scanned images.
To: soc.roots
Posted-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 08: 07:27 CDT
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:07:27 GMT
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   I am scanning old family photographs for archival purposes.  I currently
do not have a good means of printing them out.  My 24 pin dot matrix 
printer does lose both resolution and grey scale fidelity, as well as
introducing artifacts (aliasing and such).  Hopefully someday I can come
up with a good means of printing the images.  Currently, however, the 
display on an SVGA is excellent, and I could always photograph the screen.

   My reason for scanning now is, as I say, for archival purposes. I intend
to periodically dump images to floppies, and store in safe places.  My
reasoning is that a digital image can be recopied an indefinite number of
times without loss of quality, whereas good copy photography and archival
processing, while possible, is difficult, and if done a number of times,
I believe one is bound to lose quality eventually.  Maybe I am being
optimistic in believing anyone will care  to see these images centuries from
now, but I am at least trying to make that possible.
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Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 04:05:12 MST
From: Dan Wilson <ATDYW@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject:    SHIRLEY surname

Some time ago someone posted an inquiry regarding the SHIRLEY surname.
I have just found some information on the name in AGHADOWEY Parish of
County Londonderry, N.I. If interested, please drop me a note by
DIRECT email.

Dan Wilson <atdyw@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>
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Reply-To:     "(R W Macrae)" <rwm@TIGRESS.CO.UK>
From:         "(R W Macrae)" <rwm@TIGRESS.CO.UK>
Subject:      Liversedge, Yorks, England
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Sorry about post to list, but BDRAGON.FIDONET.org hasn't been added to
uknet.ac.uk's list of addresses, and I couldn't recognise a gate to
post to which might...

To: Doris.J.Young@BDRAGON.FIDONET.org
Subject: Liversedge, Yorks, England



Hi Doris,

   Sorry I don't live there, but I wondered if you'd checked the 1891 census
of the area -- should be available on microfilm at a LDS FHC.  Also births
marriages & deaths are available from 1837, but as there will be lots of
Browns you should check the census to get names first.

Cheers,

       Ron.
       rwm@tigress.co.uk           (weekdays)
       wonald@cix.compulink.co.uk  (weekends)
       Ronald.MacRae@p102.f50.n440.z2.fidonet.org (Point 102 on Roots (UK!))
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From: COWAN@ssrl01.slac.stanford.edu (Paul L. Cowan)
Subject: Re:      civil war records
Organization: CALIFORNIANS ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 17:14:25 GMT
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In <01GPFJ5A0A4Y0007E6@GW.AGR.CA> "Percy writes:

:  You can
:  request pension, bounty-land warrant file, or military information, but
:  are advised that the most useful genealogical information comes form the
:  pension file.
:  
:  Percy Thomas  Internet: pthomas@mbrswi.agr.ca

This may be the case, but you probably want to apply for *both* the military
and pension records (you need separate forms). The military record
of my g-grandfather told about a first marrage, and mentioned his
being taken prisoner. These were facts that neither the pension file,
nor family history mentioned.


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Subject: Re: Lifelines
From: sturgeon_c@eis.dofasco.ca
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:05:45 GMT
Organization: Dofasco Inc, Hamilton, Ont. Can.
Nntp-Posting-User: sturgeon_c

Without seeing Lifelines, my only comment would be that report generation
can be easy on the user if the software uses a graphical interface and
allows the user to paint the report (point and click).  It is my
understanding this is not true.  But, like I said, I have not seen Lifelines.
Secondly, script languages are simply another langauge to learn.  Most
script type languages are ignored and developers write their own reports
in a language they already know.  However, for the non-programmer there are
certain advantages.

So what does this buy us.. certainly flexiblity with Lifelines over other
packages.  The goal, I believe, is to enable the genealogists to become a
"Power User"--allow the user to program (in a sense) the package they way
they want it to work, not the way the software developer told them it has
to work.

Tom, does Lifelines use X windows?
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Reply-To:     John Carroll <eldon@TENET.EDU>
From:         John Carroll <eldon@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Zachary Taylor and Jeff Davis
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On Tue, 29 Sep 1992 NORMAN@macalstr.bitnet wrote:

> My question is: How does Jefferson Davis fit into the Taylor family?  We have
> all sorts of family myths about connections to famous southerners, but that's
> one I hadn't heard of.

Encyclopedia of the Civil War - Richard Taylor, b Jan 1826, d Apr 1879-
Son of Zachary Taylor and former brother-in-law of Jefferson Davis. That's
all it has on this relationship. Will check some other sources unless
someone comes up with more first.

JC
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John E. Carroll < eldon@tenet.edu >
1503 Hillcrest Dr.
Jacksonville, TX 75766
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                    Scammahorn/Schermerhorn, Mouser, Dipnew, Davis, & Brown
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From:         John Carroll <eldon@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Misc. Stuff
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A new set of questions for everyone, but first a little background.

My G-G-Grandfather, John B. Hildebrand Sr., was born 14 Aug 1832 in
Wuetemberg Germany and died 28 Oct 1910 in New Orleans, LA. He came to the
U.S. in 1854 and was in N.O. by 1859. He worked for the Illinois Central
Railroad and became a master car-builder and also held the position of
foreman of the car shop before his retirement. In his obituary, it states
his membership in three organizations. They were:

The Holy Name Society
Workingmen's Benevolent Association (Charter Member)
The German Benevolent Association

I'm sure you can quess the questions now:-).

Has anyone heard of these organizations? Do you think they were national
or only regional? Are these around today? (*very* unlikely) Where would you
start a search for any records still in existence?

Next question (kind of related)

I have *many* old pictures, mostly from New Orleans, mostly on the hard,
cardboard backing that was used a long time ago. I do not know the age of
the pictures, but am assuming most were taken between 1900-1910. Hopefully
someone can give us a clearer picture (no pun intended) on the time frame
when photography studios used this type of backing on pictures.
Most of the pictures are between 3X5 & 5X7 and have the name of the studio
embossed below the picture on the cardboard (probably not cardboard, but
used for the lack of a better term).
Does anyone think that records have been saved from any of these studios?
Where would you start?
Just to give you an idea, here are some of the studios:

Daliet's, 517 Frenchmen St., N.O.
Rivoire, Corner of Royal & Dumaine Sts., N.O.
Morvan, 923 Canal St., N.O.
Rojas Conner, 918 Canal St., N.O.
C. Bennette Moore, 141 Barrone St., N.O.
Naschkee, 15th & Church, Galveston, TX
White, Galveston, TX

Also, can someone recommend a book that details the restoration of old
photographs or at least a way to keep them from falling apart, fading, etc...
Looking forward to any and all replies. Maybe this can help many of us!
Thanks in advance.

JC

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1503 Hillcrest Dr.
Jacksonville, TX 75766
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                    Scammahorn/Schermerhorn, Mouser, Dipnew, Davis, & Brown
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From: "Paul Purdom" <pwp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Irish Place Name
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 09:32:04 -0500

I am trying to find out information about Mzaluma (possibly Myaluma) Ireland.
A Samuel Taylor was born there on Oct. 3, 1784 and moved to Geogia. His
father was John, who married Matilda or Elizabeth, who died on the Savannah
River. Samuel had a brother Joshua who apparently lived at Washington Co. Ga.
on 1790. Presumably the whole family left Ireland between 1784 and 1790.

Does anyone know where the city (town, village) is located. It does not
appear to show up on my maps, which go back to 1900. The spelling comes from
old hand writing, so some there is some danger that I have misread some of
the letters (particularly the y or z).

In general I know very little about tracing relationships back across the
Atlantic.
From: botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU ((Carol Botteron))
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Subject: Ellis Island Exhibit
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:26:33 GMT
Reply-To: "(Carol Botteron)" <botteron@BU-IT.BU.EDU>
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From the Boston Globe: "Fame, Fortune, and Sweet Liberty," an exhibit
that dramatizes the European immigration experience to the US, will be
featured at Ellis Island in New York from now to Nov. 11.  The exhibit
focuses on the 7 million people who traveled from the ports of Bremen
and Bremerhaven between 1815 and 1915.  For more information, call the
Ellis Island Museum at 212-363-3260.

(When did Ellis Island open?  I thought it was late 1800s.)

If anyone goes to this exhibit, please tell us about it!

Carol Botteron      botteron@bu-it.bu.edu
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From:         emsiwek@IASTATE.EDU
Subject:      DECIPHER GERMAN ROOTS
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OK.  Here's the poop on that book I previously mentioned.

"If I Can, You Can: Decipher Germanic Roots" by Edna M. Bentz.
	Edna M. Bentz
	13139 Old West Ave.
	San Diego, CA 92129

It was $10.00US at the bookstore (not sure about price paid directly).
It is 85 pages, spiral bound.

It contains:  German & Danish alphabets; umlauts in surnames; relationships;
terms and symbols; common abbreviations; Germanic, Latin, and Danish
terminology; glossary of occupations; plus more.  What is interesting, is
that she includes the written German word (which is on most old documents)
with the translation.

Happy Hunting.

Elizabeth Siwek
emsiwek@iastate.edu


From: Denis.Roegel@LORIA.FR (Roegel Denis)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Latin
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:03:11 GMT
Reply-To: Roegel Denis <Denis.Roegel@LORIA.FR>
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Mark,

I am not able to translate your whole certificate, but it sure
is in latin. However some names of people and places are in (Polish ?).

Mityk must be a town, somewhere in Galicia ?

Denis. (roegel@loria.fr)
From: slib1187@altair.selu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: <None>
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:39:41 -0600
Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University

Would someone please check the New York, New Jersey, Chicago and 
Cincinatti telephone directories and see if there are any listings
with the last name of Sirone.  At one time we had heard that there
was someone with the last name of Sirone in New York.  So far I have
received four replies and would like to thank each of you for helping
me out.  If anyone out there can check the above directories, I would
appreciate it very much.

Thank you so much.
Mary Grace Sirone
e mail - admfac.slib1187@selu.edu
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From: mclellan@maximillion.mcc.com (David McLellan)
Subject: Texas ports of entry was Re: Black Dutch
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
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Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:38:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.220319.5630@casbs.Stanford.EDU>, kathleen@casbs.Stanford.EDU (Kathleen Much) writes...
>In article <1992Sep28.140442.1578@sunova.ssc.gov> renfro@geewhiz.ssc.gov (James Renfro) writes:
>>
>>2. Besides the Port of Galveston, where might an immigrant disembark along the  
>>higher end of the Texas Gulf coast?  Or would New Orleans be the more likely  
>>port?
> 
>Until the 1900 hurricane, Galveston was the main port of entry for
>Texas immigrants.  A few came overland from New Orleans, but by far
>the preponderance of the Germans came through Galveston.  I'm not
>aware of any other Texas ports that handled trans-Atlantic traffic in
>those days--they mostly got local Gulf Coast shipping.

Actually, there was another Texas port that for a time rivaled 
Galveston.  Indianola was near present day Port Lavaca.  It was the 
port used by immigrants sponsored by Prince Carl of Solms-Braunfels, 
as well as many others.  From 1850 to 1861, it was the military depot 
port for the U.S. Army in Texas.  Jeff Davis (remember him from 
another thread this week?) imported camels through Indianola for the 
use of the army.

In 1875, Indianola had a population of 6,000.  That summer, the first 
of two natural disasters struck.  The hurricane that struck that 
summer left only 8 buildings standing, and left 150-300 people dead.  
In 1877, a rail line opened linking Galveston, Harrisburg (Houston), 
and San Antonio, furthur cutting into passenger traffic at Indianola.  
The town was rebuilt, but on a smaller scale than before.  In 1886, 
a second hurricane hit the town, and totally destroyed it.  It was not 
rebuilt after the second storm.

David McLellan
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From:         P.QUINTIN@DGC.CEO.DG.COM
Subject:      French names
Comments: To: roots@APEX19.ceo.dg.com

     Greetings, fellow rooters. I am researching the Quintin family,
and have run across something that I need advice on.
     I have an ancestor born in 1698, that is listed in different
sources as Jean-Baptiste, and Joseph. Looking at the original parish
records, he is called Jean-Baptiste, but in later references, as well
as in records from U de Montreal, he is referred to as Joseph. I am
having trouble getting all of my data to match, and so wish to get
the opinion of the more knowledgeable members of the list. My thanks
to all who have helped me at different times along the way.....
     The data I have from Rene Jette's book lists no Joseph, while
Tanguay plainly shows a Joseph born in 1705.
     Slightly dazed and confused;
Paul Quintin
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: WHITE / end-of-the-line
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:20:57 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.
cc: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)

In article <1992Sep30.151120.14682@gtech.com> caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White) writes:
>I've been trying to research earlier than 1612, when my ancestor was married
>in Holland. I know that he was not Dutch, but was either English or a Scot. 
>I seem to have come to the proverbial end-of-the-line, though, at that point.
>Is this common?
>Any suggestions?

Sounds like he may have been one of the Pilgrim separatists who went to
Leyden before the majority came to Plymouth. Many were there by 1609.

A few references that I have from an article in the American Genealogist
168:42:4 Oct 1966 on "The Widow Ring, of Plymouth, Mass., and her
children" (brought to my attention by discussions on the net):

De Pelgrim Vaders of Puriteinen, Stichters van Niew Engeland (Leyden 1859);
The England and Holland of the Pilgrims, by Henry Martyn Dexter and
Morton Dexter, Boston 1906; Leyden Documents Relating to the Pilgrim
Fathers, ed. by Dr. D Plooi and Dr. J Rendel Harris (Leyden 1920)...

Melvyl may show others....

I suspect that there were other marriages among merchant families that
would then tend to come in via Niew Amsterdam.

Tom
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From:         Ed Mertes <mertes@STL-07SIMA.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Scanning and printing out scanned images.
Comments: To: roots-l@VM1.NODAK.EDU

> Bob:

> Reference part of this message:
> > Reply-To: "(MesenbrinkBL)" <rlm@DRUHI.ATT.COM>
> > Subject:      Scanning and printing out scanned images.

> Ref your message, Please tell more about it.

> Brand, stock number, price and any other ...etc...

> thanks..cliff


In addition to Cliff's questions I would like to know about any
OCR software you might have purchased and your experiences
with it.

Thanks,
Ed



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Cincinnati directory: no Sirone, 1 Sironen
From: gilsonm@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
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Subject: Genealogical Societies: helpful?
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:07:34 EST

Let me preface this by saying that since I have no ancestors from
Ohio, I have not joined either the local or state genealogical
societies, therefore the questions:

	How useful to join here?  I haven't joined so far because
	I expect the focus to be on this geographical area.

	How useful to join a gen. society from the localities where 
	kazillions of my ancestors lived?  Would they provide things
	like a bibligraphy of local histories/records?  Do they
	do research?

Mike Gilson
gilsonm@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com	! new address

Researching:
	BROZE, CORCORAN, DIXON, GILSON (GILSHENON & variants), HAVEY, 
	LUXEM, MATEJKA, MURRAY, SCHOBER

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// job echo=no
database search dd=rules
//rules dd *
search bethell in roots-l since 88/01/01
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Subject:      Zachary Taylor - Again

While we are all thinking Zachary Taylor I have a Zachary Taylor, born 2 Nov.
1802 in Virginia who died 28 Feb. 1860 in Selby Co., Kentucky, who married
Susan Elizabeth Hume, born 8 Nov. 1808 in Culpeper Co., Virginia, died 26 Dec. 1
   893 in Selby County, Kentucky.  They married in Kentucky (?) 13 Jan. 1830.  A
   ll
family sources say he was the second cousin of the president. I know nothing
about his ancestry other than this.  Suggestions would be much appreciated.

Dorothy Boyd-Rush
Harrisonburg, Virginia
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