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From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Subject: Re: New ALBEDO #7
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:15:00 +0000


[review of Albedo 7 sacrificed to the bandwidth.demons]

I loved issue 7 -- I think I'm picky with my Funny Animals magazines 
(certainly don't buy many now) But the cover gave me a shock. Ro... 
in space? But he's smiling! Has he developed a talent for walking 
around in space unprotected?!?!?!?!?

Nahh! But it did *look* like he was in deep space with a view from 
inside the ship -- (at least it did for me).

I like the way Erma was drawn on page 11, ears forward, obviously 
angry. Mmm tired -- can't write a decent critique. sorry for taking 
up Bandwidth.

I liked Beatrix Farmer a *lot* I found that after reading two issues 
in a row (like in the case of Command Review) by mind started to 
wander and I was pleased to see a good "light weight" strip at the 
back on an issue -- makes it more balanced IMHO. There was good 
interplay between the characters and the portrayal "selected 
neighbors" was just dandy -- lets have a few more stereotypes busted! 
Hulking men *can* have decent intellectual conversations and can read 
decent books.

Oh... I'm Tanais BTW. I normally live in alt.callahans but 
rec.arts.comics doesn't do anything for me -- this is much more up my 
street.
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From: michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong) 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Colour FUR-losophy
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:46:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario - 519-633-7253
Reply-To: michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong) 

From: michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong)

MA> She really hate the latest Furlough which has a blonde vixen that is t
  > typical airhead sterotype. :O

FF>This is something that's always kinda bugged me about some furry art.
  >How can one explain a blonde-headed red fox character?  It just doesn't
  >seem to make sense.  It seems to me that the head-hair color should at
  >least be the same shade as the rest of the fur.  I can't imagine why a
  >furry would want to bleach their hair, either.

FTS>Status, probably. When Disney animates mice, the white mice always seem to
   >be the equivalent of blondes... I suspect fur-dyeing is widely prevalent
   >amongst intelligent rodents.

That is interesting idea.  Sort of like Kay's kats who dyed themselves
[by accident,of course ;) ].  Most furries would die their fur to be
individual.  [Punk rock furrys.]  Dying would be equivilant to a human
getting a tatoo.  I seem to remember some comic book where these
dinosaur pirates tatoo their bodies with individual markings as part of
their culture.

Minnie: "Mickey!  Where have you been?  What's these white hairs doing
        on your collar?!"

Mickey: "Look Minnie, I can explain..." :) :) :)

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From: fts5792@cs.tamu.edu (Frank T Sronce)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: FUR-losophy
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:34:14 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University
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From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: FUR-losophy

GR>> She really hate the latest Furlough which has a blonde vixen that is the
  >> typical airhead sterotype. :O

This is something that's always kinda bugged me about some furry art.
How can one explain a blonde-headed red fox character?  It just doesn't
seem to make sense.  It seems to me that the head-hair color should at
least be the same shade as the rest of the fur.  I can't imagine why a
furry would want to bleach their hair, either.

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Status, probably. When Disney animates mice, the white mice always seem to
be the equivalent of blondes... I suspect fur-dyeing is widely prevalent 
amongst intelligent rodents.

Kiz
From: Paul_Trauth@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Paul Trauth)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Well-Known Obscure Cartoonist Goes Mad...
Distribution: world
Date: 20 Jan 93 22:28:14 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

i mean, i MUST be going mad. i'm just at the beginning of a new semester
with an annoying math class facing me, i'm working on what may eventually
be a PD game (no furry content), and now i'm thinking of sending some stuff
to a furry zine or two.

Anyway. I'm looking for a few names, addresses, and short descriptions of
zines that accept single-page art. (PG-13 at worst, often somewhat
'toony...) Yes, i /know/ that people post abstracts of just about every
single furry zine to here every so often. It's scrolled off the end of the
world.
(Oh, and the zines should hopefully be ones that send out contributor
copies. Almost all my future disposable money goes into the "I Want An
A4000 fund"... Just in case there are any zines that /don't/ spring
contributor copies for free...)

I'd also be sorta interested in hooking up with some insane scripters. I
come up with characters and backgrounds quite often, but stories are a very
rare event...

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From: fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: FUR-losophy
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:34:48 GMT
Organization: Foxes 'R' Us - Seven locations to serve you

avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay) writes:

>Members of her race do not normally have
>long hair, so Jen carefully combed out the fur on her head (with a little
>help from Minoxidil :-) ), which simply grew out white instead of red.

Hmm.  My understanding of fur is that it will tend to shed (ie, fall
out) before it can reach any significant length.  What special treatment
did Jen perform to keep this from happening?

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From: kmeyers@nyx.cs.du.edu (Karl Meyers)
Subject: Re: Gender of Furries
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 05:25:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.103943.10177@iscsvax.uni.edu> peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu (Greywolf) writes:
> [...]  For most of the "furry" comics I know of that are the most
>popular, particularly Erma Felna of the EDF, Red Shetland, Xanadu, etc., the
>lead character (or the character I presume is the lead character) is a female. 
>Now, I *might* contend that things are a bit too much on the cheesecake side 
>in furrydom for my personal tastes, but that's about it.  I'm inclined to think
>that a lot of writers have had it hammered into them so many times that it's a
>bad thing to give all the good parts to males that it's probably likely there
>are a lot of writers who are consciously putting a female in the lead role in
>order to offset that.  Of course, it could be just that Jim Groat likes to 
>draw scantily-clad warrior-mares.  {shrug}

Personally, I've never had that much trouble with a female in the lead role,
as long as the lady was there for a reason.  Just to give the lead to a
female character because it's "bad" not to is poor writing technique, IMHO.

As for 'cheesecake'...I'll admit it, I *like* the occasional sexy shot, but
notf there's a story trying to come out of the art.  That sort of thing is
all well and good in something like the AH Swimsuit Special, but gratuitous
'cheesecake' shots will detract from a story, unless you *want* the story
to be X-rated.  :)  If I'm writing a story for a comic, furry or otherwise,
I want the artwork to reflect what I want it to reflect - the story.  But
then, that's just my opinion.

I know, Image makes a whole comic out of pin-ups, but they couldn't put out
a decent furry comic if their corporate life depended on it.  :) 

Just my two cents worth.  :)

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From: michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong) 
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: FUR-losophy
Date: 22 Jan 93 23:35:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario - 519-633-7253
Reply-To: michael.armstrong@homebase.com (Michael Armstrong) 

From: Michael.armstrong@homebase.com

MA> She really hate the latest Furlough which has a blonde vixen that is
  > the typical airhead sterotype. :O

FF>This is something that's always kinda bugged me about some furry art.
  >How can one explain a blonde-headed red fox character?  It just doesn't
  >seem to make sense.  It seems to me that the head-hair color should at
  >least be the same shade as the rest of the fur.  I can't imagine why a
  >furry would want to bleach their hair, either.

Heck, I've seen some blondes that their eyebrows did match their hair
colour.

Don't animals see colour in different ways?  Maybe blonde to red fox is
light red?

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From: allynrud@pro-amber.cts.com (Matthew Smeltzer)
Subject: Re: Gender of Furries and Female Leads...
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 10:29:55 PST

Tad, you forgot the Empress Alicia from the Xanadu series :V. Wyman:
as well as the Phoenix of the same author. Both are female indeed...

Matthew

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From: matwood%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Mark Atwood)
Subject: Re: CF4 thanks
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:36:00 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1993Jan26.054349.18504@netcom.com>, rhiannon@netcom.com (The Lady R) writes:
> Thanks, Mark, Rod, Shayn et al, for a great con!  Even with the Gestapo
> hovering, it was fun.

Let me also say it was a great con, and I had a great time.

I do hope we get less grief from the hotel next year.

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From: mauser@intercon.com (Richard Chandler)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: Gender of Furries
Date: 21 Jan 1993 10:00:32 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Subject: Re: Gender of Furries

> Let's see.  There's the Esso Tiger and Tony the Tiger from Kellog's 
> Frosted Flakes. (They'reeeeeee great!)  Both I believe is male. 

Has anyone ever turned up a name for the Exxon/Esso tiger?
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From: allynrud@pro-amber.cts.com (Matthew Smeltzer)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: FUR-losophy [bleached blonde?]
Date: 22 Jan 93 18:11:41 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca

Could it be that the particular vixen wants to try and be different?
Anything to attract others of her kind perhaps?


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Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Subject: Re: I'm lost...
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 15:38:36 GMT

aa384@Freenet.carleton.ca (Peter McPhee) writes:

>..
>   Howard Stern is on Best of Howard 'cause his wife had a kid, AND it's a
>week of repeats on Dave's show, too? Hopefully they'll be back soon, or
>I'll have to get a life. :)

she had a kid.. was it howards?
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From: mrb@bugs.aero.org (Mike Bacigalupi)
Subject: Re: Jennifer Tilly
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:44:23 GMT

I doubt she's stupid.  I got the impression she just wanted to
be memorable.  I couldn't stand her either, but she was purposely
overacting ditzy.  She figures she'll be on the "goofy guests" highlight
tape.

Mike "Bugguts" Bacigalupi
Organization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:10:51 -0500 
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From: mrb@bugs.aero.org (Mike Bacigalupi)
Subject: Re: Jennifer Tilly
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 08:52:43 GMT

She's not stupid.  She wanted to be memorable.  I couldn't stand her either,
but she was purposely acting overly ditzy.  She had a list of insightful
comments she wanted to sneak in (like "I'm glad I got on before you got
conservative"), and then she acts clueless again.  It was especially obvious
when she pretended to be confused by the light on the camera.

She tried to be like Victoria Jackson, but she's way too obvious.
Dave was very obviously annoyed, not amused, also.  But he's always
amused by Victoria because she's more convincing and polite.

Mike "Bugguts" Bacigalupi
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
From: kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey)
Subject: Re: Stagehands
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:19:22 GMT

atario@cats.ucsc.edu (Stephen Wayne Miller) writes:

>He does bunches of other New-York-produced NBC stuff.  If you ever find
>"Memories, Then and Now", a lame show with a couple of people from NBC Live
>at Five, watch the credits, he's there, too.

FWIW, Live at Five was cancelled a good year-and-a-half ago.

Anyway, it's true...all the stagehands you see on Late Night pop up all
over the place.  I've seen Biff's name in the credits for NBC News at
Sunrise, Biff himself one night at the end of the Nightly News, etc. 
Also, one day when a friend of mine were bored out of our minds and
decided to attend a taping of A Closer Look, Al Maher and company were
hanging out by the door smoking cigarettes and looking generally bored out
of their minds. (A Closer Look is taped in 6A; they just throw up a cheap
set in front of Dave's.)

--Aaron
From: chuckb@stein.u.washington.edu (Charles Bass)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: $12.99 Phone Ad
Date: 21 Jan 1993 21:37:06 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

Are you sure you weren't watching Leno.  I think he did that
bit. 

chuckb
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
From: millerje@CS.ColoState.EDU (Jeff Miller)
Subject: Re: why I think dave is cool
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:07:49 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <93025.154218PAB120@psuvm.psu.edu> PAB120@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>I think Dave is cool because he makes lots of money.

By that logic, you should think Oprah is the coolest, since
	"Oprah's got all the money"

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From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Subject: Re: Benefits of Dave at 11:30
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 15:57:32 GMT

raymond@harp.ecn.purdue.edu (Ray Kamin) writes:

>In article <93021.002357ICEND@ASUACAD.BITNET> Eric Davis <ICEND@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>>In article <1jje0iINN8me@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, atario@cats.ucsc.edu (Stephen Wayne
>>Miller) says:
>>>
>>>>I just realized! When Dave goes to 11:30 instead of 12:30 I'll only
>>>>need to program *one* event to record him all week instead of two.
>>>
>>>I think you've been using up one event unneccesarily all these years.
>>>Every VCR I've ever seen does not care whether the program crosses a
>>>day-border.
>>
>>I just went VCR shopping 2 days ago, and every single VCR in the store would
>>only tape M-F and 12:00 am is considered the next day (i.e. Sat. morning for
>>Friday nights show).  I was having the same trouble with my VCR.

>We had the same problem until we came up with the obvious solution.
>Set the day wrong on the VCR so that M-F actually tapes T-S!  That is,
>our VCR says it is Friday when it is really Saturday.  Of course you
>need to remember this when taping other shows ;-)

>RK


The solution I chose was to use the 7-days-a-week program for Letterman,
then not leave the machine in the program mode on the weekends.
From: barr@stein.u.washington.edu (David Barr)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Almost Live (was: Re: How Spooky-1/18/93 Rerun)
Date: 24 Jan 1993 02:59:35 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu

>> Patrick D Warn writes:
>>
>> Does anyone in Seattle know if Almost Live is still on? I remember that it
>> was a bit shakey after Ross Sheafer left and they cut it to l/2 hour.

Yeah, it's still on saturdays right before SNL, and now it is shown
nationally on the "Comedy Central" network every weeknight at 6:30.

David
From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Jennifer Tilly
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:30:00 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

cole@lea.csc.ncsu.edu (Robert Cole) writes:

>dianetti@acsu.buffalo.edu (Donald J. Dianetti) writes:

>>Not unless she makes a habit of drinking before going on national talk 
>>shows.  Did anyone else see Tilly on the Tonight Show (with Carson)
>>about 1 1/2 years ago?  She was JUST as freaky as she was with Dave
>>last night.  Johnny seemed to give up about halfway through the interview 
>>and just stared at her in fear/amazement/fascination.  It was like
>>watching the Hindenburg burn.  Horrible, but something forces you to keep
>>watching.

I remember this interview, it was one Johnny talked about long after it
was over.  She always seems to act this way on the night time shows.  With
Johnny, it was like interviewing a ten year old.  BTW, she always wears
hot looking outfits.  She does have a great looking figure.

>Every single time that I have seen Jennifer Tilly interviewed, she has
>behaved like this.  But if you've ever seen her act, you know that while
>she may not be the best actress in the world, she is good at what she
>does.  So either her interviews are complete put-ons (playing up the
>bimbo image) or she just gets extremely nervous and flustered during
>interviews (not having a script to go by).

That morning I saw her interviewed live on "Good Day New York", a local
program on WNYW-TV, a FOX station in NYC.  She was talking about her new
role on "Key West", and was very nervous.  But the interview and the
discussion was nothing like what we saw on Dave's show.

>I found it to be rather endearing and charming (as did Johnny Carson to
>a degree -- in my opinion).

It is "different", but I like her and the way she looks, so I can put up
with it.  I wonder how Leno or Miller would react to her?



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From: marko@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Nolte)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Carvey
Summary: Aaron and Lisa!
Keywords: Worldwide Pants
Date: 22 Jan 93 12:31:09 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility

In article <1jddkcINNfqu@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> atario@cats.ucsc.edu (Stephen Wayne Miller) writes:
>
>Personally, I'd MUCH rather see Dennis Miller get the slot.  I always used
>to hate having to switch over to see Dennis Miller during Dave's
>commercials (or taping one of the two to watch later), so this would make
>up for it:  Dave, then Dennis, the Bob.  With Aaron and Lisa somewhere in
>there too, of course.  (I wonder how many people knew what that last
>sentence (fragment) meant.)


I know, I know!!!

Aaron and Lisa are ABC's late-late-late-night news team, right??

As you can tell, I don't get much sleep ;(




marko@ocf.Berkeley.edu
From: atario@cats.ucsc.edu (Stephen Wayne Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.letterman
Subject: Re: Jennifer Tilly (smokes pot)
Date: 24 Jan 1993 16:38:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


terra@reed.edu (Terra Goodnight) writes:

>>	oh well, i was impressed, it's not every day
>>you see someone stoned on TV these days

>Watch MTV more often, especially those Beastie Boys interviews :)  

Or anything The Black Crowes ever do.  Heheh!
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