From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Abstinence is the only answer
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:48:13 GMT
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Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Chuck.Lavazzi@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Chuck Lavazzi) writes:
"In article <4722@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
">mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
">!Martin Guerrero-LabA) writes:
">!|> The initial question involved putting PEOPLE (read: Men and Women) in
">!|> situations where abortion does not become an alternative. Since conceiving
">!|> a child is a joint act between a man and a woman, then men are capable of
">!|> NOT getting a woman pregnant.  No pregancies, no abortion.
">!|> 
">!|> So men, indeed, can help put women in positions where abortion does not
">!|> become an alternative.
">!
">!So we are left with the following alternatives:
">!
">!1	The only purpose of sex is reproduction.
">Well, if nature (since I guess I can't say God or Allah or
">whatever) had a purpose in sex, that's generally what it is.
"	No doubt that's why mammals have sex drives. I don't see how that
"mandates humans not to engage in sex for pleasure.  The purpose of eating is
"to provide fuel for our bodies.  Does it therefore logically follow that
"eating for pleasure is immoral?  Are we to assume that all biological drives
"ought to operate only a a purely animalistic level, with no intercesion by
"our higher mental processes?  I think not.
	I didn't say that reproduction was immoral but it's natural. But
I agree what makes us human IS our higher mental processes. We can
control our actions or decide our actions; we can choose not to succumb
to our primitive animalistic urges. In other words, we have
self-control. 

">!2.	Sex is a pleasure "reserved" for married couples. 
">As our religious and social standards have it, only in marriage is there
">the committment to deal with rearing children. As unmarried teenagers
">may not be able to handle rearing children, sex should be reserved for
">marriage.
"	See above.  Sexual pleasure does not need to be "legitimized" by an
"intention to procreate any more than eating needs to be justified by acute
"hunger.  And those are not "our" social and religious standards, necessarily.
"Don't presume to speak for me.
	Well, there are religions that do fast: Islam has Ramadan after
all, where they don't eat for a month (I'm not sure about the
specifics). We can choose to eat just as well as we can choose to have
sex. I admit I was generalizing sociology.

">!3.	Sex is a sin, for which the penalty is pregnancy.  Sure puts an
">!	interesting slant on the wonderfulness of parenting and the meaning
">!	of "family values."
">Well, premarital sex is a sin (at least in my Southern Baptist church).
">Adultery certainly is.
">Sex itself is a gift that is shared between two people that love each
">other, according to my pastor.
"	Once again, your religion is not the law of the land, and in a non-
"theocratic state it *shouldn't* be.  Your pastor can recommend anything he
"wants to his flock.  He (and you) have no right to force the rest of us to
"behave in accordance with your notions of sexual morality.
	Boy, giving opinions from others I know on this net being
interpreted as my call for legislating them is getting to be quite
common. I don't intend to see my personal views imposed on all of
society; I was just simply answering one statements with my opinions and
those of my former congregation.

">	This does seem very interesting that the statement asserts that
">pregnancy is a punishment, or a disease. That explains a few things:
">abortion is the only "remedy" that can cure the "afflicted."
"	Go back and read it again.  Rocker is saying that this is the attitude
"implied by *your* posting, not her belief.  Either you didn't read carefully
"or you're deliberately distorting what she wrote.
	Who is Rocker? Whose views am I supposedly distorting?
(I've replied to tons of posts, and I can't always tell which threads
are related at times, even with identical subject lines.) 
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck		DUKE BLUE DEVILS: 1992 ACC CHAMPIONS!
Biomedical Engineer 1993	1992 EAST REGIONAL CHAMPIONS!!
Duke University, Durham, NC	AND 1992 NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!
August 31, 1992 - May 16, 1993	Duke football? What's that?
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