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From: saroff@uf.msc.edu (Stephen Saroff)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Re:  Muslims killed in Yeguslavia
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:45:48 GMT
Reply-To: saroff@msc.edu
Organization: AHPCRC, Minnesota Supercomputer Center

In article <1992Aug17.160408.11417@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug14.174402.10922@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
|> >In article <1992Aug14.130512.15061@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
|> >nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
|> >
|> >>In article <1992Aug11.122211.1273@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
|> >>saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
|> >
|> >>>In article <1992Aug08.150753.18802@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>
|> >>>nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss) writes:
|> >
|> >>>>I admire Jews who are speaking up against these camps even though the Bosnians
|> >>>>are Moslems.
|> >
|> >                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >>>I'm not sure what you mean by "even though."  The vast majority of Jews
|> >>>view this as a humanitarian issue, not a political or religious one.
|> >>>Should we assume that the "even though" was because had we been discussing
|> >>>Muslim reaction to Jews in camps similar concern would not have been shown
|> >>>(a la the Jerusalem Mufti and his buddy Hitler)?
|> >
|> >>Don't "Mufti" me now by making a relationship between the Mufti and Hitler.
|> >>I said it because you consider there is a conflict between Jews and Islam
|> >>and it was a good gesture to care for the Bosnian Moslem. Don't be ridiculous,
|> >>a lot of Moslem countries faught on the side of the allies in WWII. If I was
|> >>there, I would be the first one to protest the concentration camps.
|> >
|> >Because I've never heard the word "Mufti" used as a verb, I can't be sure
|> >I know when I'm not mufti-ing you.
|> >
|> >In any event, I'm still curious about what you meant by "even though."
|> >My mention of the Mufti was simply as an example of the ramifications
|> >of what I think you might have meant.  Your response does not counter
|> >my concern.
|> >-- 
|> >Sam Saal      kingfish!saal OR saal@kingfish.att.com
|> >		Note new machine name
|> >	Vayiftach HaShem et Peah Ha`Aton
|> 
|> 
|> I can substitute "despite" for "even though" in the above sentence. What
|> I have seen in the past is that Jews defend the rights of another Jews.
|> This time I saw Jews speaking out for Bosnian Moslems, which is good.
|> Is that any clearer?
|> 
|> I don't see any reason why you should involve the Mufti in this discussion.
|> -- 

Agreed.


I think though you may mis understand the offense which was given.  

I think the point is that Jews (at least not all or most ) do not
necessarily view muslims as enemies, and do not wish to see gratutious
harm heaped on muslims.  

You may have unintentionally implied that you don't believe that we are
capable of that.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 21:46:24 EDT
From: RABBI CHARLES ARIAN <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Smoking during major fasts
 <1992Aug11.183431.26498@uc.msc.edu> <92224.190604CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
 <1992Aug12.194718.20659@cbnews.cb.att.com>

In article <1992Aug12.194718.20659@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ask@cbnews.cb.att.com
(Arthur S. Kamlet) says:
>
>In article <92224.190604CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> RABBI CHARLES ARIAN
><CARIAN@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>>In article <1992Aug11.183431.26498@uc.msc.edu>, saroff@uf.msc.edu (Stephen
>>Saroff) says:
>>>
>>>I would argue that since smoking is objectively bad for the body,
>>>with no redeming virtues, it is banned under halacha, period ;->.
>>
>>It's permissible as long as you sell your lungs to a non-Jew. :-)
>
>I thought it's overlooked as long as your rabbi doesn't smoke.

That's the Conservative position :-).
The Orthodox position is as mentioned above.
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From: victor@watson.ibm.com (Victor Miller)
Subject: Re: Egg Creams (was Re: Proof of the Decline and Fall)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:03:47 GMT
Reply-To: victor@watson.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
	<1992Aug20.213833.21919@njitgw.njit.edu>
	<92Aug21.032854.22038@acs.ucalgary.ca>
	<1992Aug21.131129.17686@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
Organization: IBM, T.J. Watson Research Center

>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:11:29 GMT, saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) said:

Sam> In article <92Aug21.032854.22038@acs.ucalgary.ca>
Sam> kmjoffe@acs.ucalgary.ca (Kenneth M. Joffe) writes:

>Hold on a second here.  What is this crap with seltzer??  Maybe I
>do not know exactly what an 'egg cream' is. I remember my
>bub making something called 'goggle moggle'.  Not sure if
>that is an official name or her own term.  It involved boiling
>milk with an egg in it, adding vanila extract and other stuff.
>When I first saw the header 'egg cream' I thought that it was
>equivalent to 'goggle moggle'.  Deciding to read the postings, I
>was suprised with the use of seltzer.  Am I alone on this one, or
>are there supporters.  Maybe there are two 'egg creams': A) the
>official egg cream that you mention and B) my bub's egg cream.

Sam> A goggle moggle is not the same thing as an egg cream.  A goggle moggle
Sam> is a potent, medicinal drink (at least I was only offered/counseled to
Sam> drink one when I was sick :-).  The origins of the name egg cream are
Sam> shrouded in mystery. After all there is no egg used in its production.
Sam> My theory is that the foam on top resembles that of a slightly beaten
Sam> egg white - except more chocolaty.

I seem to remember that there was a rather long article about egg
creams in New York magazine a few years ago.  Various people gave
their recipies, and conjectures about history.  There were two stories
that I remembered from the article:  Daniel Bell (the famous
sociologist) claimed that his uncle Hymie (who ran a candy store in
lower Manhattan) had invented them, and had really used an egg.  No
one else seemed to think that there ever was a egg.  The other story
(I believe from author Avery Corman), told about going back to his old
neighborhood in the Bronx, which had changed from being almost 100%
Jewish to almost 100% Puerto-Rican.  He went into the old candy store
that he used to hang out in when he was a kid, and ordered an
Egg-Cream.  A fairly good egg-cream was served him, but the proprietor
(who was Puerto-Rican) expressed amazement that he would know about
the "Puerto-Rican" favorite food.

--
			Victor S. Miller
			Vnet and Bitnet:  VICTOR at WATSON
			Internet: victor@watson.ibm.com
			IBM, TJ Watson Research Center
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From: horen@rs.com (Jonathan B. Horen)
Subject: Re: Seudat Mitzvah (was: Re: Bris)
Reply-To: horen@rs.com
Organization: Renaissance Software, Inc.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 15:45:52 PDT

In article 5461@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com, lms@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Max Stern 310-524-6152) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.194130.7542@nynexst.com> schwartz@nynexst.com writes:
>
>[...]
>>
>>Let's distinguish between two things.  A meal after a brit milah is a
>>seudat mitzvah, a meal which is either directly commanded or which celebrates
>>the observance of certain commandments.  Other seudot mitzvah include
>>the three Shabbat meals, and a meal eaten at the conclusion of the
>>(in-depth) learning of a book of the Torah or a tractate of the Gemara.
>>I would argue that not eating one of these meals is not a severe violation
>>of something, but that "optional" is too strong a word to describe them.

>Ok, a new sub-thread:
>
>What other meals fall into the category of seudat mitzvah?
>
>Specifically, what about the meal following a wedding, where the shev`a
>brachot are repeated?  What about shev`a brachot dinners during the
>week following the wedding?
>

Well, one (or a potential series) that springs to mind is eating in one's
sukka during Khol-HaMoed Sukkot. That is, the meals during the intervening
days of the Festival.

In the same vein, what about eating matza during Khol-HaMoed Pesach? 

Also, a seuda on Purim, or perhaps seudot during Khannuka?

All this is making me hungry...

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From: murray.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Tanya, Epistle 6, 3 of 3
Date: 23 Aug 92 01:49:43 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

Tanya Epistle 6       3/3
 
>>> Continued from previous message
 
1. Verse 18, where the letters sin and chaf of Secher are each vocalized
   with a segol.
2. Bereishit 8:2.
3. Michah 7:20.
4. III, 131b.
5. Cf. [Tanya], Part I, ch. 45. (Note of the Rebbe Shlita.)
6. Menachot 29b; Yerushalmi, Chagigah 2:1. See also above, Epistle 5.
7. Parentheses are in the original text.
8. Malachi 3:6.
9. Tehillim 40:6.
10. Siddur Tehillat HaShem, p. 170.
11. Cf. Shaar HaYichud VehaEmunah, ch. 7. However, we cannot assume that
    the Alter Rebbe is referring directly to this chapter, for then he
    would have stated so explicitly, as above ("...in Likkutei Amarim, 
Part
    II").  At any rate, this does not warrant a lengthy discussion at 
this
    point. (Note of the Rebbe Shlita.)
12. Tanya, beginning of ch. 2.
13. See Introduction to Tkkunei Zohar, p. 10b; also elsewhere.
14. Siddur Tehillat HaShem, p. 171.
15. See Likkutei Amarim, Part I, ch. 14; Part II, Chinuch Katan.
16. Ibid., Part I, ch. 14.
17. Bamidbar 18:7.
18. Shabbat 55a.
19. Shmot 26:28.
20. Michah 7:8.
21. Tehillim 117:2.
22. Yeshayahu 57:15.
23. Siddur Tehillat HaShem, p. 166.
24. Iyov 33:30.
25. Cf. Tehillim 117:2.
26. Hoshea 10:12. See also below, Epistle 8.
27. Tehillim 85:12.
28. An alternative version adds here: "in it."
29. Tehillim 31:20.
30. Yeshayahu 54:14.
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From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Jewish Summer Camps
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:18:41 GMT


I am sorry that I sent this message when it was not finished.
aap.

>backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>>Has anyone ever considered the impact of Jewish summer camps (Orthodox,
>>Conservative [like Ramah], and Reform) on Jewish practice and affiliation ?

I went two times (at ages 6 and 12) to summer camp organized by "Liga 
Israelita-argentina de lucha contra la tuberculosis", and "Asociacion
Mutual Israelita - Argentina (AMIA)". 
At that time I did not liked it, but today I think that they were great 
experiences. 
Compared with Christian summercaps, ours was 1,000,000 years ahead.
We learn about responsabilities, ourselves, etc.
It was done in a building that some decades before was used for people 
suffering from tuberculosis. 
Once each month, all the authorities would leave and the 13 years old group
would take charge of the colony. Only the medical team stayed with us.
Kids in the 13 yo group would propose themselves for the different
offices, and all the other kids would vote. My cousin was president once!
Even though organizares were zionists, the main focus of the whole thing
was on educating people based on traditional values:
The most important to me was a sense of responsability we gained there.
You were not just a kid, but also a person who was responsable for 
your actions.
Everybody was great. We did lots of smart things. And most important yet,
most activities were challenging. One was really challenged to do things, 
and still have a lot of fun.
Many years after my last visit to this camp, I found a group of kids in
the south of the country, in a place called Bariloche, where they were
camping. They told me that the old summer camp did not function anymore,
although they borrowed the place no too long before.
They still showed the same principles we had in our summer camp: Older
knids cared for youngers, they were just kids, but they were very 
responsibles and had a sense of group and community that really amazed me.
I was really proud that they kept the same kind of organization, the
same kind of cultural standards. 
I always talk with my wife that if we are back there by the time we
have a child, we would send him/her to this summer camps. 
They left a deep mark, at least to me.

AAP


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From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Subject: Re: Smoking during major fasts
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: 15 Aug 92 20:54:00 GMT

In <BszEE3.FzJ@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:

    It goes back further than that.  When Abraham's cousin Lot was taken
    prisoner, he was driven away in a Chevy.  Under these circumstances, I
    wonder why so many Jews are reluctant to buy Volkswagens, but are
    perfectly willing to buy Chevies.

This is actually supposed to remind us of the connection between what
happened to Lot in the cave and what goes on in the back seat of a
Chevy.
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:10:46 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Aug11.185628.16770@nova.sarnoff.com> jms@vision.sarnoff.com writes:
>
>Being closer to a Reconstructionist than any of O-C-R, I rarely respond
>to this newsgroup. However, "To Whom it May Concern" still implies the
>same limited outlook that G-D is a person as the other three. When I
>first became involved with Reconstructionists, the idea of viewing G-D
>more as "a Divine Presence" or "A natural force of goodness" and less
>Patriarchical seemed like an extremely radical idea.

Actually, the Orthodox understand it this way.  As do many other
Jewish groups.  God is completely without form.  This is stated
explicitly in the "Yigdal" prayer: "Ain Lo D'moot Hagoof, v'aino goof"
- "His body is not dead, for He has no body"  (I'm sure this is
translated wrong - my Hebrew is a bit rusty could someone correct
this?) 

>Why should a Jew who simply cannot believe a literal translation of
>the Torah be forced to abandon living Jewishly. Isn't Judiasm richer
>than just taking it on faith alone.

Who is asking that?  I know of no Jews who take the liter translation
without interpretation.  Even the Orthodox realize that much of the
Torah must be studied and interpreted to be properly understood - this
is why there exists Mishna, Talmud, and all the other works that have
been written.
-- 
   |)  David Charlap           "I don't even represent myself
  /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu   sometimes so NJIT is right out!.
 ((|,)
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From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews in Japan
Date: 19 Aug 92 18:19:27 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem




In article <86519@netnews.upenn.edu>, weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:

> More interesting, and more relevant, for example, is the Anne Frank hero
> worship group.  Extremely interesting is the common belief that the

> Japanese are descended from the tribe of Zevulun.  The personal synagogue
> of a prominent calligrapher, who has that belief, is featured in the book.
> Naturally he wrote all the Torah scrolls himself.
> --
> -Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)

The Japanese claim of (Jewish) descent from the Tribe of Zevulon is
interesting. A number of years ago I read a book that compared some Japanese
(Shinto ??) religious practices with ancient Jewish ritual. There were
interesting similarities.

The theory of the "monogenesis of language" has recently appeared in a number
of journals (I believe I read one in The Sciences, the bulletin of the NY
Academy of Sciences). A friend of mine who specializes in comparative
linguistics recently published a book (THE WORD: The Dictionary that Reveals
the Hebrew Source of English, by Isaac Mozeson, 1989)that has a large number of
Japanese words that can be traced to a Hebrew source. These were verified by a
professor of Japanese studies at Hebrew University and by some members of the
(Japanese) Makoya sect who were fluent in Hebrew and living in Jerusalem.

Who knows ?? Maybe the following joke (albeit Chinese) may be apt:

A guy walks in to a Chinese restaurant and sees the owner, Mr. Lee, eating
gefillte fish, chopped liver, and kishke. He says "Mr. Lee, what's going on?"
and Mr. Lee replies,  "Me no eat Chinese CHAZELI".   :-)  :-)

Josh
backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL
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From: schwartz@nynexst.com (S. H. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Reply-To: schwartz@nynexst.com
Organization: Expert Systems Lab., NYNEX Sci. and Tech., White Plains NY
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:41:43 GMT

In article 57433@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, hrubin@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Rubin Herman) writes:
>
>What is the difference between this and simply declaring that the
>whole world is Israel?  Then all Jews are automatically living in
>Israel, and the problems of aliyah disappear completely!

The consequences include having to observe all agricultural laws everywhere.
Imagine trying to coordinate Shmitta (Sabbatical year) harvesting in the USA.  :-)

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From: tichauer@valpso.hanse.de (Manfredo Tichauer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: info on Hawaii
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:25:19 GMT
Organization: "The Private site of Manfredo Tichauer"

reiffman@almaak.usc.edu (Allan Reiffman) writes:
> 
> My wife and I will be travelling to Hawaii this weekend - leaving Sunday
> morning. Does anyone have any information regarding the availibility
> of kosher food, and the locations of minyanim? Can one assume that food
> that is OK in the supermarkets in the states (in Southern California) is
> OK in Hawaii supermarkets - eg, cereal, cream cheese, etc.
> 
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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Smoking during major fasts
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:36:48 GMT
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <92224.190604CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
CARIAN@auvm.american.edu (RABBI CHARLES ARIAN) writes:

>In article <1992Aug11.183431.26498@uc.msc.edu>, saroff@uf.msc.edu (Stephen
>Saroff) says:
>>
>>I would argue that since smoking is objectively bad for the body,
>>with no redeming virtues, it is banned under halacha, period ;->.
>
>It's permissible as long as you sell your lungs to a non-Jew. :-)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

1. Selling your lungs , or other parts of your body , are not a valid
   sell.
   ( There is a long article it in Rabbi Zevin Z"L - the edditor of the
     TALMUDIC ENCYCLOPEADIA, That article deals the "Sheilock treaty"
     from all it's halachic aspects ).

2. The whole article , even it ended with the smily simbol, does
   supports the antisemitic message of that Shakespeer's-play.

3. Since no one uses his titles on this net, I understand that "RABBI"
   is a last name, but readers who are not aware to the existance of
   rare last name RABBI name may be confused.

Shalom     Gideon Ehrlich     ERETZ YISRAEL








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From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Can of Worms
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:28:46 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <8T3sPB6w164w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> murray.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>Barry Elin responds to Sheldon Ackerman

>SA>* In a message originally to All, Soc.Culture.Jewish said:
>SA>SS> From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
>SA>SS> Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish

			.................

>SA>What do percentages have to do with it? If 90% of the Jews intermarry 
>or eat
>SA>bacon, it makes it OK? If the majority of individuals are on drugs, 
>then who
>SA>are we to make drugs illegal?

>And Medical doctors represent only 2% of the population, should we
>say the other 98% should determine who is a doctor?

The decision of who can practice medicine is made by State boards,
authorized by State governments, and the States can change their
decision as to who is on the boards and the rules at any time.
-- 
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Phone: (317)494-6054
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