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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: Walk? Shirley Not! (was Re: Soc.motss: The Color Version)
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:22:08 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>In article <thaaang.726641631@cwis> thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu
>(John Dorrance), Slut Royale of the Eastern Plains and
>Brazen Boy Boink Buddy, writes:

George? 'Zat you?

[Grinnell]

>It's a long story, but I'm saving it (with pictures) until
>we meet.

'Until we meet'. I feel so anticipatory!!!

>But I admit it's a bit on the preposterous side.
>Ever been there?  I have.

Isn't there a college there? I'm thinking there is. I honestly can't
say if I've been there. Take that as you will.

>Anywhere we'd meet would be a badroom, that I'm sure of.

Flatterer!

>But John dearest, this isn't going to be just boinking, it's
>going to be Love (for at least 20 minutes).

Yeah, I love you, slut, now grab your ankles.

>This season of
>the year, we'll have to make *some* preparations, if we're
>going to end up lying down in a ditch at the roadside.  But
>we could wait until mid-July, then strip naked and run
>around in the corn fields.  If they build it we will come.

Ooh. I can feel the tassles 'twixt my toes even now...

>>      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.

>One of the better reasons to have a golden hand mirror, yes?

I got my picture ID for West yesterday... it's the most amazingly
ridiculous picture there is of me. The guy who took it was flirting
with me as he was fiddling with the camera, and I was rolling my
eyes or something as he took the picture. I look blitzed. It's
really cute.

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico
      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
	  S7/9 g++l+(+)y++z++/--(++!!!)o+(+)x+a++uv(++)j+
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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: MOW info wanted
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:33:58 GMT

> yang@mist.CS.ORST.EDU (Sherry Yang) writes:
>Hi, there were quite a few items posted recently on the net regarding the
>March On Washington.  I thought I had saved them, but later discovered that
>for some reason they didn't get saved.  If anyone has some information saved,
>such as where to call for hotel reservations, etc. I would really appreciate 
>getting them.  My email is:  yang@mist.cs.orst.edu

For accommodations in DC:

    Hotels:  Washington DC Accommodations      202/289-2220
                                               202/483-4436 (FAX)

    Community Housing (to request or offer):   202/628-0493
                                               202/628-0471 (TTY)

For travel to DC:

    Mid-West & Northeast:  Capital Travel      800/800-9009
    South & Southwest:     Reservation Desk    800/662-6988
                                               214/522-5106
    West & Mountain States:  Confident Travel  800/872-7252
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From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Sexism question
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:58:02 GMT

Is 'holy hooters!' a sexist exclamation? It occured to me that it
might be, but then I wonder why, specifically...

--
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu * John Dorrance * Disco Diva y Flamenco Chico

      You would be surprised at what resides in your insides.
From: tdbear@dvorak.amd.com (Thomas D. Barrett)
Subject: Re: Another Group Joins Boycott
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 16:58:50 GMT

In article <7745522309011993/A20995/POSSE/11714DF40A00*@mrgate.uwyo.edu> LASAGA@corral.uwyo.edu (LASAGA) writes:
>
>
>The following was announced on a local news station tonight (NBC-Denver):  
>"Amendment 2 is being blamed for another convention cancellation.  
>The National Association of Hispanic Journalists planned to bring 
>a thousand members to Denver in March.  But today, the group's 
>executive board voted to cancel" (transcribed from videotape).
>
>Yes!!  Many thanks to the members of that association for letting it
>be known that they will not tolerate any form of bigotry...

This reminds me of my favorite quote which I always carry in my .plan:


"In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because
I wasn't a Communist.  Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up 
because I wasn't a Jew.  Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't
speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.  Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.  Then they came for me ---
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

					--Pastor Martin Niemoller

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|AMD PCD MS-520 | 5900 E. Ben White|Austin, TX  78741  |f:512-462-5155 |
|"No is yes, And we're all free" ---Tracy Chapman, "Why?"              |
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From: rgaudre@polaris.unm.edu (Ron Gaudreau)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Chelsea House/Duberman Publishing!
Date: 11 Jan 1993 06:40:06 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
NNTP-Posting-Host: polaris.unm.edu

 Actually I just talked to one of their Telemarketing Reps and he said
the the first books for gay & lesbian teenagers will be coming out
in the spring, not the fall. Also there will be a line coming out, about
the same time, for the physically challenged.
My two cents......

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    University of New Mexico      |
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: tearoom sex and bathroom police
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 20:31:31 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
 ark.edu> <TIM.93Jan12065003@ear-ache.mit.edu>

Tim Wilson writes:
>Bil Snodgrass (snodgras@lclark.edu) writes:
>>Would't it take some of the excitement away if a tearoom person
>>knew it didn't matter if he was going to get caught?
>There are a lot of myths about tearoom sex:  two or the more prevalent
>ones are that only closeted (in the sense of not a member of the
>lesbigay communited) people do it, and that part the fun is the 
>possibility of getting caught.

Spot-on.

Until all the locations known for this sort of thing within easy 
reach were harrassed out of being connecting points for such
things, I myself occasionally enjoyed doing a little gloryhole
dicksucking at a porno theatre, or sucking off a horny (and in
my experience, polite and grateful) trucker in his sleeper cab.

And Tim is right -- T-rooms are only one venue for "anonymous"
sex; they're notable in that they're one of the few such where
one is likely to find hetersexual-identified men.

I once had someone haranguing me because I did truckers; *my* 
perspective is that I like to suck cock, the trucker wanted his
dick sucked, we were polite to each other and we both left with
smiles on our faces.  Where's the "internalized homophobia" in
that?

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[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: crabs (was Re: Changing standards of female beauty)
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:40:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1993Jan6.164035.18265
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1993Jan6.133321.10936@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.095233.2723@spdcc.com> joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis) writes:
>>I don't know about you, but the time I had crabs they did not bite.
>>Itch, perhaps, as they crawled over skin, but they did not bite.
>>Neither do lice. They like to hang onto hairs and eat dead skin, so
>>there is really nothing for them to nibble on when it comes to flesh.
>
>They take a blood meal twice a day.  If you don't notice this, it may
>reflect that you haven't developed a hypersensitivity to the bites.

I've never read anywhere that they bite! How odd. I would have thought
that I could have seen bits of coagulated blood from where they bit,
but I never did. My warning was seeing a new mole on my pubis and then
suddenly seeing it move... I do check frequently in Paris because of
uncertain prior-bed occupation in the commune.
-- 
US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
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From: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux)
Subject: Re: Sexism question
Reply-To: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:22:31 GMT

In article <thaaang.726303482@cwis>, thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) 
writes:
>Is 'holy hooters!' a sexist exclamation? It occured to me that it
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
          |-------aren't they all? 

Katie
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Arne Adolphson, Moron At Large
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:30:10 GMT
Organization: insert anything here

Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>BBC writes:
>>>John, who somehow senses George would rather die than do drag
>>Hon, he IS doing drag!  Think about it.

>*NOT*.

	In your strive to be minimalistically articulate, you've
left yourself open to being miss-interpreted.  So, I'll step in.
Your use of this horrible cliche, means either:

	1) you don't do drag, in any form, which I can easily shoot
	   down by either expanding the definition or just waiting
	   until I see you in anything-but-your-persona clothing.
	   I wouldn't have to even hold my breath.

	2) That you didn't think about it.

	Now where should I plunk down my last (I hope) paycheck as
a grad student?

	George, I find you interesting, but moreso when you leave
the arrogant pretense behind.  You've done it before, so I *know*
it's possible.

	I just got a great sports-coat from my hubby for Xmas.
(People might refer beack to the Armani suit thread :-) --- I love it.
I haven't worn it yet other than to try it on, but I expect that I'll
get to break it in in March when I defend and give some lectures (at
least two so far) on my defense research.

	BBC in s suit?  *That's* drag.  And so what?  I hope I'll
enjoy it as much as other people do their other drags.  What's hilarious
and sad at the same time is that John's taunt and George's 101%
predictable reaction is that there's the unstated word that drag
*isn't* enjoyable or nice or good, etc. (not so much in John's taunt,
or to use the increasingly-often used term, 'Furrbaiting', but definitely
so in La Furr's reaction).  Feh.  Again, feh.  And I **know** that Furr
really, REALLY can't feel that way, not in the sense that he's harboring
a secret desire to don a dress (and again I say, so what?), but in that
I don't believe that he actually has the disdain for people who ARE into
drag that his e-persona would have us believe.  Hence the crack about
'arrogant pretense' I made above.

BBC
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kjc7435@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.J. Cater)
Subject: Lesbian Etiquette:  When do you Tell the in-laws you're going steady?
Originator: kjc7435@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 15:04:42 GMT

Jut thought I would ask this question.  Me and a lovely femme have been
dating seriously for about a month now and I can't seem to mae my mind
up as to when to tell my accepting parents about the relationship!!
They live in NJ and we are up here in Rochester NY....I am keeping my
grades up to show my parents that being in a relationship with this
woman is NOT affectingme academically (which has been a problem in te
past, but not when my current SO likes to see A's!!).  What is the
"time" to tell one's family?  any suggestions as to how to tell them the
hapy news?  I feel that if I tell them too early, they won't take it
seriously, and if I tell them too late, they'll be overloaded with info.
and doubt my loving motives!!!

Please send all replies to (e-mail):
"kjc7435@ritvax.isc.rit.edu".

Thanks!

Kerry (and Kim).  

p.s. pardon the typos....
and yes, both of us are out of the closet to our families..in boh cases
there is acceptance...I just don't know when to tell my family about
her!

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
Subject: Re: Pride rings going mainstream? (was Re: Pride Ring Colours...
Originator: elf@halcyon.com
Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:20:42 GMT

In article <rizzoe.641.726445103@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU>
     rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:

>Speaking of co-opting symbols, I was rather surprised to see full page
>ads in both Time and Newsweek before the holidays asking people to tie
>a red ribbon to their car antenna to show that they are against drunk
>driving.

   MADD has been doing that for years, long before the red ribbon
became a symbol of sympathy for PLWAs.  In most parts of the country, I
betcha, when they see Whoopi Goldberg wearing a red ribbon on her lapel
they probably assume she's symbolizing sobriety, not sympathy.

         Elf !!!
--
elf@halcyon.com  (Elf Sternberg)

Then, I was inspired.               God, thy will is hard
Now, I'm sad and tired.             But you hold every card.
Listen, surely I've exceeded        I will drink your cup of poison.
Expectations.                       Nail me to your cross and break me.
Tried for three years,              Bleed me, beat me.
Seems like thirty.                  Kill me.
Could you ask as much               Take me now.
From any other man?                 Before I change my mind.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Silly digression (was Re: Dworkin)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 10:39:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.052511.24102@netcom.com>
solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

>Hence the old saying, "Some men are born great, some achieve
>greatness, and some have greatness thrust within them."

>(Jess? Does this get me in your quotes file?)

Certainly not; you didn't say it, although one wonders about
"within," and I would bet anything it's "upon."  What *were*
you thinking of?

-- 
[Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin]
[Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson]
[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
[---------> Discrimination, Bigotry, and Hate are not Family Values <---------]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Followup-To: Scot N Gibson <prufrock@leland.stanford.edu>
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 03:56:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.223042.26742@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>  Not to mention Dame Edna. Did anybody else see that special last
>Saturday? We just happened to be watching the tube before cocktails
>were to commence (I even went to the Eagle, it felt so butch yet 
>boring) and all I have to say is WHO IS THAT DRAG QUEEN? I've never
>even heard of her before, but I have to say that I liked the little
>ditty she did with Robin Leach. And Caeser Romero as the butler,
>how special.

All I know is that her other name is Barry Humphries.

--scoT

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 \    /  | Stanford Univ.  |  Almost, at times, the Fool."          |
  \  /   +-----------------+-------------+             - T.S. Eliot |
   \/    | prufrock@leland.stanford.edu  |--------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Colorado Replies
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 01:00:59 GMT

thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

>What's that address? I think I want a copy for myself, directly from
>them. I think we all could benefit from a copy or two; heck, I'm sure
>our friends would all appreciate copies, as well.

Girl, you KNOW where you can get that address from!
[Actually there are transcripts of these letters, or some of them in the QRD
already, in /pub/QRD/qrd/text/focus-on-the-family-4.20.92]


The address to contact Focus On The Family is:

Focus on the Family                   or call
Colorado Springs, CO   80955          1-800-A-FAMILY]


-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
``The first thing you do is forget that I'm Black. Second, you must never forget
that I'm Black.'' -Pat Parker, "For the white person who wants to be my friend"
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Year of the Queer
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:52:18 GMT
Organization: Castle Anthrax

In article <1993Jan11.181426.16611@tc.cornell.edu> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
>In article <1993Jan11.173553.20574@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>>In article <C0MB65.Ln1@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>>>EVERY CITY IN THE WORLD should observe it on the last Sunday of June.
>>I don't see any smilies, but I hope to Gawd you mean this sarcastically.
>
>I don't know whether or not Roger is kidding, but even if
>he is I agree with his statement.  We're commemorating a
>specific event, or so I thought.  It seems that the holiday
>is losing its meaning and it's not even 25 years old.

That's the American way. I'm old enough to remember when we had
"Washington's Birthday", not "President's Day"... though I think it
had already become "Washington's Birthday Observed" (i.e. moved to a
convenient Monday or Friday). I don't know if "King Day" has ever been
observed on Martin Luther King's Birthday.

It's only a matter of time before Christmas is fixed at the third
Monday of December (not that *I'd* mind what they do with their
goyische holidays)...
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
From: cardenas@ucsb.edu (Mary Cardenas)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: For a limited time only
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:24:31 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara

Subject: Re: For a limited time only

Joseph Francis writes:
>
>Reminds me of when I performed "El Pato Electronico" by some
>unnameable Argentine composer: 15 oboes, 2 english horns, and Oboe
>d'amore. It had a subtle charm all its own. <cough> To frighten the
>horses we would play it sometimes /without vibrato/ (shrieks from
>backstage).
>-- 
>US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.

i think handel's water music also is scored for some
horrendoes # of oboes, but there the public is protected
because the musicians are on a barge.

mary
mary@oinker.ucsb.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney)
Subject: Re: Musings on Madonna
Organization: Home of the @&#^%$* Crimson Tide
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 07:10:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.055442.22154@spdcc.com>
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
 
>In article <16B511053C.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tracey McCartney) writes:
>>and I barely
>>recognized her. She does not look like the same writhing ragamuffin in the
>>"Borderline" video of ten years ago. Yeah, yeah, ten years is ten years.
>>But the change she has undergone is very strange, IMHO, and hard to artic-
>>ulate. So I'll stop trying.
>
>She's much trimmer (chubby describes her in _Borderline_), hardbodied,
>self-confident, and richer 10 years later.  I'd love to try the same
>experiment on myself!
>
Well, I have nailed down at least one thing she didn't have before:
the gold tooth, which makes her look a little like a hillbilly if the
light's not hitting it just right. To me, she was at her most babe-eriffic
right around the time she was married to Sean (Say Cheese) Penn and did
the "Live to Tell" video. She was so wholesome. Such a nice girl. ; )
 
It's strange to look back and remember that when she first hit the
scene, everyone was just *scandalized* over her salacious display
of bellybutton. Methinks that by now we've seen just about every orifice
the woman owns.
 
Tracey
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From: hessel@soc.umn.edu (Denise Hesselton)
Subject: WANTED: coming-out stories
Organization: Department of Sociology, University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:39:32 GMT

I'm relatively new to this group, so please excuse me if this is a FAQ, but 
I'm interested in hearing others' stories about how they came out to family 
and friends.  You see, I've recently discovered (within the last six months 
or so) that I am attracted to motss (one in particular, at the moment), and 
it's been a whirlwind realization for me.  I was only able to cope with the 
transition by coming out to several of my closest friends, all of whom have 
been *extremely* supportive.

Anyway, I have yet to tell my family, because I suspect that they'll have a 
much more difficult time adjusting.  But a part of me wants desperately for 
them to know, (1) so I won't feel as if I'm being dishonest with them about 
who I am; and (2) because being in love is a wonderful thing, and I'd like 
to share that feeling with the people who are important in my life.  The 
problem?  Well, my family isn't known for being ... um ... open-minded about 
much of anything; "tolerant" is not a word that gets used much in my 
parents' house.  ;-)  

My friends tell me to wait a while before I tell my folks; they say *I* have 
to get used to the idea before I can expect *others* to.  I see the wisdom 
in that, but I am eager to talk with my family because I feel that part of 
the process of "getting used to" the new me is allowing them to see me as I 
actually am, and helping them to come to terms with it.  

So, I'm interested in hearing others' stories, in the hope that I might 
glean some insight from the experience of others in this area.  Any do's and 
don't's you'd like to send my way would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

						Denise

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From: tim@ear-ache.mit.edu (Tim Wilson)
Subject: Re: Blood donations at UCLA
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
	<1993Jan12.081044.1659@netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:20:39 GMT

cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee) writes:

   I hate to be defending the red cross here, but the exclusion criteria
   are probably based on the incidence of HIV among different
   populations.  In San Francisco, for example, over 40% of the gay men
   in the city are estimated to be HIV+. So in overall statistical terms,
   it's possible that a straight man fucking his brains out is less
   likely to have been infected with HIV than a gay or bi man who's been
   monogamous (or serially monagamous).

What's really important is the rate of HIV incidence in each subgroup
of the population and both false-positive and false-negative rates for
the various tests.  What may have been prudent for the Red Cross
half a decade ago may work to their disadvantage now.  I'd like to
believe they have someone with a working knowledge of decision theory
and HIV-occurance rates working for them.  

--
Tim Wilson
Internet:  tim@ear-ache.mit.edu	
UUCP:  mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
Bad Colorado.  No business.
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