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From: steveg@iplmail.orl.mmc.com (Steve Gabrilowitz)
Subject: Re: Rascals--can they make anything worse? <Spoilers!>
Organization: Martin Marietta
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:16:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.013738.13232@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, am001b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Shark) writes:
|> Insert the normal spoiler warnings here.  If you go on, I refuse to accept
|> any responsibility for anything, especially what you have for breakfast
|> tomorrow.







































































|> 6) Initially, the Ferengi were intelligent enough (read: lucky) to secure
|> the ship.  BUT...after that, they were the most imbiclic creatures to have
|> ever discovered space travel.  The Ferengi learning the controls from Riker
|> had no idea that Riker was snowing him the whole time.


Was anybody else thinking about the game of Fizbin during this scene? ;-)


|> 
|> 7) Another question:  why can't Picard simply regain computer access? 
|> Doesn't that imply a lack of authority on the ship if the captain can't even
|> get control of command functions?


The computer most likely would not have recognized him as Captain Picard due to
his renewed youth...

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From: jng53092@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Gad)
Subject: Thoughts on Fistful of Datas  *SPOILERS*
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:22:37 GMT


Hmmm....Considering how BAD this could have been, I'm pleasently surprised.
But first, ye old ^L.....


Last chance, hit 'n' now or forever hold your peace.


Hey, that wasn't bad.   Alexander wasn't annoying, and Troi was decent,
bordering on GOOD.  Worf managed to show that he wasn't as incompetant as
MotP and Rascals made him seem.  This was hardly high drama, but it was both
humerous and entertaining.  Not the kind of episode you want every week, but
a fine break every once in a while.  Though putting it right after Rascals
may not have been the wisest scheduling, since the only really good parts of
Rascals were the funny ones, making for two light-hearted episodes in a row.
(Ok, maybe Rascals wasn't INTENDED to be a comedy.  But it sure seemed like a
farce to me...)

Anyway, short bits:

Positive:
* It was nice to see Picard playing the flute he got in Inner Light.  It was
  about time TNG showed some (heaven help me!) CONTINUITY!  Now, if we can
  only get the bugs from Conspiracy...

* The Technobabble was practicly nonexistant!  Granted, most of the episode
  took place in Deadwood, but even so it was a welcome change from the usual
  "Let's explain this week's episode by making up or misusing scientific 
  sounding words."  As a Liberal Arts kinda guy, Technobabble dosn't bother
  me as much as it must all you Enginnering\CS\Biology\Physics\etc. Types, but
  after a while even I get fed up with stuff that even someone with as weak a
  Sciences backround as I do can tell is just plain BS.  FoD goes a long way 
  towards proving that TNG can survive, and even thrive without Technobabble.

* Besides being well acted for once, Troi even mentioned her human father.
  With all the attention that Deanna's mother gets, its nice to see that 
  Troi's father had some impact on her childhood.

* There was too many really good lines for me to recite them all here, but 
  Picard's opening scene, the 'Ancient West', and Worf at the end of the
  program had to be some of the funniest scenes I've seen in a while...
  ("Computer, End Program...NOW!!")  :)

Negative:

- Well, there were no big plot holes or unintentional out of character moments
  that really leaped out at me that I remember.  And only ones that I can 
  recall are major enough to detract from my viewing pleasure, so I have to
  say that there isn't going to be much here in the Negative column this week.

Overall:

This episode was fluff.  Low on drama, high on fun.  Not a bad thing, if taken
in moderation.  We'll call Fistfull of Datas a 8/10 and go home satisfied.
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From: kan@bugs-bunny.rtp.dg.com (Victor Kan)
Subject: Re: SPOILERS Rascals: Riker should be shot.
Date: 12 Nov 92 12:11:40
Distribution: rec
Reply-To: kan@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Program Development Environments, Data General Corp., RTP, NC

>>>>> On 9 Nov 92 16:11:13 GMT, hrsn@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Daniel Harrison) said:

Daniel> If a couple dozen Iraqis had taken over the carrier
Daniel> Independence in like fashion, there would be court-martials
Daniel> aplenty.

Hey, in the movie _Under Seige_, the battleship Missouri was captured
by a bunch of musicians and caterers :-).

Daniel> Riker, to the brig.

Definitely!  What's this "Computer: disable command functions!" crap?
Why not "Computer: transport all Ferengi to the brig (or into space
:-)?"

I wonder if Data ever considered running around like The Flash and
applying Vulcan neck pinches to the Ferengi on the bridge.

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From: Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com
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Subject: Re: pad store appearance
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 06:39:57 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

I have no immediate plans to come to Canada.  There was some talk about doing
an appearance with Dale Keown up in Toronto, but when Dale quit "Hulk," that
didn't seem worth pursuing.

PAD
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From: jclark@plains.NoDak.edu (Justin J. Clark)
Subject: Re: Why do the feds not use / carry cloaking devices?
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 01:31:53 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

My thought on the matter is that the primary mission of the Enterprise is
one of exploration and there is therefore very little need for it to be
equipped with a cloaking device.  They need weapons and shield to defend
themselves, but a cloaking device seems to be unnecessary except for attacking.
(Unless your prefferred defense is to cloak and run.) :-)
  How's that for a simple explanation. :-)

Justin J. Clark (jclark@plains.nodak.edu)
Traveller through time and space, stranded in a world gone mad!
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From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: Is Starfleet Military...no.
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 03:39:06 GMT

smintz@sedona.intel.com (Stephen Mintz exp 11/92~) writes:
>> The idea of Starfleet and the UFP being military was once addressed to
>> Gene Roddenberry while on a cruise ship during the early days of the Star
>> Trek 25th Anniversary Celebration.  Gene Roddenberry became very angered
>> when someone asked this...the person was an "Ensign" in a fan club, and
>> an "Admiral" yelled at the "ensign" for speaking out of turn..and Gene
>> Roddenberry proceeded to explain to the "Admiral" that Starfleet and 
>> Star Trek were NOT military.  Gene Roddenberry became very angered and before
>> the situation got out of hand, I believe, Peter Lauritson took the microphone
>> from Roddenberry and asked the "Admiral":  This is a cruise ship...with 
>> a Captain and a First Officer...is this ship military?  A very good question
>> and I think it settled the conflict.  
>> I think this kind of ends the subject if Starfleet is military.  Then you
>> ask, "Why the weapons?"  Richard Arnold proceeded to answer..."For defensive
>> purposes".  
>> 
>> 

>So, let me see if I have this right; the Enterprise is no longer a military
>vessel instead it is the 24th century equivilent of "The Love Boat"...hmmm that
>does explain alot.....In the old series it was military, and I didn't know that
>cruise line could court-marshal crew....
>Stephen

Roddenberry had never considered Star Trek to be military, he emphasized that 
on the cruise last year.  I suggest the next time you attend a convention...
ask this question..and see what kind of response you get.  You'll probably
hear what I typed above.



















































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From: perl@dwrsun4.UUCP (Robert Perlberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Amanda's hand motions
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:51:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York

In article <1992Nov5.080208.2675@mdcbbs.com>, rothe@teksun1.mdcbbs.com (Bill Rothe - Tekware sys mgr) writes:
> In article <7867@transfer.stratus.com>, det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
> |> Tiny SPOILER:
> |> 
> |> Has anyone considered that Amanda's hand motions may simply be because she's
> |> still learning her powers, and hasn't yet mastered them sufficiently to
> |> suppress her somatic habit?  I saw it in the same light as a beginning
> |> reader moving his or her lips.
> 
> 
> 	Take a look at the first Q episodes...Q used to wave his hands around
> 	quite a bit.  Not as *much* as Amanda does.   Yet again, take a look
> 	at Riker's hand waving, when he had the power of the Q.  Talk
> 	about overacting!
> 
> 	For a minute, I actually thought Riker was signalling first-down or 
> 	a foul or something.

I think there's a simple (albeit disappointing for some) answer to
this.  People in TV shows and movies sometimes have to do things they
wouldn't do in "real life" in order to communicate to us what is going
on.  If everyone with Q powers just stood around like coat racks while
things flew around the room it would be hard for us to figure out who
was doing what.  In some scenes this is obvious enough that they can
eschew the hand waving.  In the scene where Q turns Bev into a dog, if
Amanda didn't wave her hands we wouldn't know whether she restored Bev
or if Q decided to restore her at that time.

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
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From: cs_d613@ceres (The Magpie Returns...)
Subject: Attn UK trekkers!
Keywords: Relics  
Organization: Kingston University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 12:53:40 GMT


 Okay, for all those ST fans in the U.K., the novelisation of Relics
 will be published on the 23 Nov by Pocket Books priced at #3.99.

 Either get the book then, or wait until late March '93 when CIC should
 be releasing the video.

 I, however, got the episode taped by friends who were in the US at the
 time (so there!)



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From: kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey)
Subject: Re: Fistful o' Datas Comments (Spoilers)
Keywords: good and bad parts
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:36:49 GMT

>ratner@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Dave "Van Damme" Ratner) writes:
>:)Spoilers follow:


>:) - What about Troi's rationalization: "If we finish the program it will have
>:)   to end".  Is this true?  Have we ever seen a program "finish" on the
>:)   Holodeck?  I always thought they were endless-running, and you eventually
>:)   left or saved the current place (like an ongoing, endless movie).

The ending was borrowed (recycled, stolen) from "Quantum Leap".

On Quantum Leap, Sam and Al often wonder why they can't leap out of 
a certain situation.  It usually ends up that Sam has to kiss "the girl"
to finish the "leap"

In A Fistful o' Datas, Troi and Worf wonder why the program hasn't
terminated.  It finally finishes with Worf getting "the girl" - Data!

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Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 12:10:53 EST
From: <IO20084@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
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Subject: Re: TNG Grade Report: "True Q"
 <rawdon.720647604@cs.wisc.edu>

One question -- If you think TNG is so uninspired, why do you watch it and
take the trouble to grade the episodes and all that.  I mean, they show
TOS in syndication on just about every station in the world, so why not
just watch that if you think it's so much better?

No flame, just a question.


Chuck
IO20084@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: "Dream Seasons"
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:00:05 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> 	Because I don't want to have the world of the Next Generation that 
> exists in my imagination spoiled by bad episodes or even a whole season with 
> major incongruities, they become dreams, somehow.  Collective dreams, I don't 
> know.
> 
> 	The first season was the "Dream Season."  Especially, "The Naked 
> Now."  That was all a dream.  The sixth season is unfolding as another 
> "Dream Season."  If you're like me, you can guess why.
> 	All this relative to the third season, which was what I deem as 
> truly superior in possibly every way.  The third season is the basis for my 
> obsession with the concepts presented in ST:TNG.
> 
> 	Thanks for sitting through this babble ...
> 
> 
>  David Caruso II                               Email: gimble@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

Michael Dorn tells a funny story about things he wishes were dreams.
He, like much of the TNG cast and crew, disagreed with the killing of
K'Ehlyr, and at a Minneapolis Con, he and the audience collectively came
up with a way to bring her back....

Picture Worf entering his quarters after a hard day's being beaten up....
....Worf sits down, takes off his boots, loosens his uniform and heads
for the head.....
....and he hears sound running....(the sonic shower)
....and he pulls back the curtain to reveal K'ehlyr!
And she turns to him and says, "Oh hello Worf, I was just taking a shower!"



"If our Producers had a sense of humor, they would do that!" said Dorn.

Steven.K.Manfred


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From: cnk@rgm.com (Claims No Knowledge)
Subject: Re: A few things Ive noticed.
Organization: RGM *nix - Sacramento, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 01:02:50 GMT

apmanis@r-node.gts.org (Anthony Manis) writes:


>Did anyone else notice that Data is A leftie?


I figured that since Data is an android, he would be ambidextrous, so it
wouldn't matter WHAT hand he wrote with.

cnk

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From: fass@math.uwaterloo.ca (The FASS Theatre Company)
Subject: Re: Rascals: Did I miss something?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:24:57 GMT

In article <BxIGrA.3Dp@cup.hp.com> runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan) writes:
>Mike Ungerman (gatech!pro-magic.oau.org!mikeu) wrote:
>>This probably belongs in the tech area, but once again the Enterprise is
>>surprised by uncloaking warships.  And they're "surplus" Klingon warships.
>>
>>Why, with the aliance with the Klingons, hasn't the cloaking technology
>>been given/traded/purchased by the Federation?
>
>no_cloak_list ----------------------------------------------------------------
>This is an old question.  
>The current (9-15-92) list of rationalizations:
>
[20 reasons not to cloak deleted]

21.	The reason the Federation doesn't use cloaking technology is
	simple:  as a defensive measure it's useless.  Face it, every
	ship the Enterprise has ever encountered that could cloak has
	been defeated.  With that kind of track record why would any- 
	body want one.



Lee
From: steve@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Steven Glinberg)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: episode releases
Date: 8 Nov 92 06:11:57 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison

Would someone mind mailing me the official releases of the most recent 
episodes.  I'm looking for the explanations of the comming shows. 
I am maintaining a list and have been away for several weeks.
The last I have is for Rascals.  I believe I heard of a fistful of datas and
one more, a while ago.  Thanks a whole lot.

steve@picard.cs.wisc.edu

oh, and if this is a few days old I probably have them already, thanks anyway.
It's dangerous to request mail from everyone in the world. :) 

 
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From: mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker)
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Subject: Re: Rascals--can they make anything worse? <Spoilers!>
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:41:58 GMT
Organization: Society for Anarchic Totalitarianism
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In article <1dmkenINNni9@gap.caltech.edu> Thomas G. Kiefer,
thogek@cco.caltech.edu writes:
>>6) Initially, the Ferengi were intelligent enough (read: lucky) to
secure
>>the ship.  BUT...after that, they were the most imbiclic creatures to
have
>>ever discovered space travel.  The Ferengi learning the controls from
Riker
>>had no idea that Riker was snowing him the whole time.
>
>They obviously had a cunningly-laid plan coming in, but once in, felt
>assured that they were in control (pretty happy with themselves, as Ro
>guessed), and so were more lax, and didn't know much about the
Enterprise,
>anyway (probably didn't know about those access crawlways at all,
>underestimated Riker and the "kids'" stubbornness, didn't know that one
of
>those kids onboard was the captain...).
>
>And how would the Ferengi know Riker was snowing him?  He likely didn't
>know *anything* about Federation computers or terminology, and had to
>assume that Riker wouldn't risk his son or the other kids...

It does seem that the Ferengi are very, very good at making plans.
However, they are very bad at improvising. In addition, they tend to be
arrogant when they think they are winning. Therefore, if anything goes
wrong with their plans (like not taking the ship fast enough to stop
Riker from shutting of command functions) they are up the proverbial
creek, because 1) they can't improvise and 2) they think that they can
improvise, and that everything will still work out okay.

--Mel Walker
mwalker@novell.com
Disclaimer: Some Martians landed and stole my opinions. So if these
opinions sound like they're coming from Mars, that's why.
From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Sulu spinoffs (was Re: PAD: Sexy and nude with Sulu; Yeesh!)
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:45:47 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University

In article <1992Nov4.175856.8712@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  ) writes:
>jlindqui@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (An Erik Estrada hate monger) writes:
>>glocke@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Gordon Locke  ) writes:
>>>sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson) writes:
>>>>If memory serves, Mr. David recently mentioned a possible novel
>>>>about Captain Sulu and the _Excelsior_.
>>
>>>	Shag that!  How about a movie!  Or another TV spin-off show?  
>>
>>But if somebody did decide to do such a thing, would we _have_ to put up with
>>Christian Slater as the smarmy nightwatch comm officer?  Personally I'd rather
>>see Janice Rand bump 'im off...
>
>	A - friggin' - gree'd !!  That dumb `cameo' by Christian "Jack
>Nicholson wanna-be" (=^) Slater was a glaring black mark on an otherwise
>stellar flick.  In the novelization, it was Rand who woke up Sulu (and
>he didn't get mad, like he did at Ensign Wanna-be).  We didn't get to
>see enough of Rand in VI; weren't even sure if it was Rand, or just a
>cameo by the same actress.  She'd be half the reason to do a
>Sulu-centric project, I think.  Maybe it would make up for her premature
>boot off of TOS.   
>-- 
>    Gord Locke, a.k.a.    |  It's quite simple:   |        Read: 

I recently saw George Takei (Captain Sulu) at a convention and he said
that he would absolutely *love* to do a Captain Sulu movie.  He also
mentioned getting rid of the Ensign  with the hearing problem and
replacing him with an Ensign with a full head of hair, by the name
of Ensign Picard.  Sounds like a great idea to me!

Marg

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From: mbecke69@ursa.calvin.edu (Mark Becker)
Subject: Re: A dose of human-morality for the Q?
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:20:19 GMT

If you ask me, when Q was stripped of his powers, that was probably a 
punishment worse than death!  They really wanted him to learn his lesson!

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