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From: saied@odin.unomaha.edu (Saied*)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Terrorist Khomeini regime attacks an NLA Base
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:08:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: odin.saied.702932890
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

payman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi) writes:

>In article <saied.702778817@odin> saied@odin.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:
>>
>>First, the Iraqis had no intention of overthrowing the Khomeini
>>regime and thus their resources was not used as such.

>At least, please get your facts straight:

>1) From the onset of the war in 1980 till the cease fire
>   in 1988, both the Iranian and Iraqi governments called on
>   the opposing nation to rise up and overthrow its regime.
>   These calls; the support of armed opposition groups in the
>   two countries; attempts to invade the territory of the
>   other side; and a host of other attempts represent a clear
>   intention on the part of the Iraqi government to overthrow
>   the regime in Tehran, and on the part of the Iranian government
>   to overthrow the regime in Baghdad.  This is all documented,
>   in terms of the recorded messages broadcast from Radio Tehran
>   and Radio Baghdad, [Ref. Foreign Broadcast Information Service,
>   Washington D.C.]. and elaborated in detail in numerous books
>   written on the war.

Propagana are part the war. But it was Khomeini who made
the overthrown of the Iraqi govbernment a pre-condition
for peace. The Iraqis offered peace in 1981. Khomeini did
not accept and continued the war resulting in a million dead
and millions of maimed and refugees. That is my point.

>> ... With all the help it receive from Israel and 
>>the US, the Khomeini regime was only able to take over the Faw
>>island but was kicked out in 1988.

>2) Compared to the help Iraq received from among other countries,
>   France, and the former USSR, the help Iran received from outside
>   sources was very small.  This is well documented, in terms

Well, I just take your words for the above. So what? The
point is not which side spent more on arms. The point
is that one million Iranians are dead now because Khomeini
continued the war and because of it his reactionery and
expansionist dreams.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 15 Apr 1992 20:05:16 CDT
From: P.             <U33720@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: PERSIAN MEN
Distribution: usa

Dear lida,
I am a twenty six year old woman , who has been going out with a persian
man for five  years. And I am persian also. May be I am more experienced
than you are!!!! since I am older, so let me give you some advise.
I have been in USA for 7 years and I have had two persion boyfriends.
Let me tell you this, that one of them was total jurk and this one is
total sweetheart. It is so hard to generalize them(persian men), as old
fashion or open minded. But by the granma's law!, dont get friendy with
them unless you know them well. Because "be ghole maroof agar beheshon
roo bedy, shalwar ham mikhan." By the way I don't want to insult one but
unfortunately it is true. By the way I like to "vaght ra ghanimat beshmaram"
appreciate the very open minded and educated Iranian in this network..
From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Sigheh and all the rest of it.
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:55:01 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Apr15.163324.10586@fmg.bt.co.uk>, ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani) writes:
> In article <1992Apr14.104944.1103@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
> 
>> ps. there are somethings that Islam will not budge on Mr. Rafsanjani, marriage
>> is the only way a woman can get pregnant. There are no ands, ifs, or buts on
>> this issue, even if the society where YOU might come from has some strange
>> ideas about what marriage is all about.
> 
> Zafar, 
> 
> I am well aware that "there are somethings that Islam will not budge on"
> including that "marriage is the only way a woman can get pregnant".
> (Notwithstanding the case of Mary the Virgin!)  Indeed, you do not need to
> remind me of the horrible fate of women who became pregnant by being raped in
> Islamic countries (as I have covered that in my piece).  
 ********************************************************

You haven't shown any evidence from Quran or anything from Mohammad's life that
would confirm that such a thing is allowed.
No, I am not disputing
> that.  My points about marriage emanates from some other fundamental (and if I
> may say so, egalitarian and humane) principles.  They are self-explanatory if
> you read them objectively and with an open mind.
> 
> And most of the facts (you call them "strange ideas") I referred to are common
> in almost all patriarchial societies (which include Islamic and many
> non-Islamic countries alike), and are not restricted to "the society where YOU
> (=me) might come from".
> 
> -hossein

The point that I was trying to make is that the existing social phenomenon in
countries in the East whether their populations are Muslim majority or not is
not in line with the ideals of Islam. I know what could happen to a woman who
is found raped in such countries as well, however I don't think you think that
that the realities that come along with that are some how caused by Islam. Do 
you think that is the case? The present reality that is
existing in the Muslim countries and most countries in the East in so far as
womens issues are concerned are for the most part not caused by Islam or by
emphasizing a certain aspect of the religion while deemphasizing other
aspects of it.

zafar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi)
Subject: Re: The Lies of Mr Taqwaa and Arash.....
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:12:21 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.014347.12384@cco.caltech.edu> bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) writes:

...
stuff deleted
...

>Please keep your language under control!  


I apologize if I have offended anyone (of course with the exception of A.
Jaber) in this newsgroup with the use of language in my reply to that absurd
article by A. Jaber.

Actually, I meant to send the reply directly to his e-mail but somehow I
must have hit the 'f' key instead of the 'r' key after reading his article
and decided to reply.  I felt the guy was asking for it, so I gave it to
him! Anyway, I'm sorry that I have offended some of you guys.

Finally, Mr. Sadeghi, your replies to this guys is based on logic (i.e.
facts, inference, and reasoning) and I believe this is appreciated by most
people (including myself). But I am not sure what your objective is in 
taking the time to write that kind of response. If you think that you could
convince the guy, I am afraid you'll be disappointed. In my opinion the guy
who is that racist, sees the world up-side down, and last but not least has
the nerve to post those kind of articles in SCI with Scud pictures.
The guy doesn't seem to have an ounce of brain. But if you insist,
keep trying and best of luck to you.

with regrads,

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* Hossien Amehdi                                            *
* Senior Research Scientist                                 *
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Subject: Re: Mojahedin revisted
Organization: EdAreyeh Sabteh ahvAl 
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 00:21:06 GMT

In article <saied.703209401@odin> saied@odin.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:
>
>The following article is from Asghar. He is experiencing
>difficulties with thier news server.
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>From: hassen@me.eng.ohio-state.edu
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
>Subject: Re: Mojahedin Revisited

<Mojaheddin praise body deleted>

>
>Asghar

In the words of Zaffar; HEY MAN! This ain't me. Get it?

Asghar AghA (who ain't no mojAhed parast)

 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: towfiq@FTP.COM (Mark Towfiq)
Subject: Re: Reply to  Bahaies  gang
Reply-To: towfiq@FTP.COM
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:20:49 GMT

>>>>> On 6 Apr 92 17:46:02 GMT, seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) said:

mt> I would recommend that one look at a Baha'i source on the Baha'i
mt> Faith as well.  One such recently published work is by William S.
mt> Hatcher and J. Douglas Martin, called "The Baha'i Faith: The
mt> Emerging Global Religion".  Also, the Encyclopedia Brittanica has
sm>						       ^^^^^^^^^^
mt> a well-written introductory article on the Baha'i Faith.

sm> Dear Mark, isn't it better that we learn OUR believes from
sm> OURselves and not from BRITTANICA ? I bet british people know
sm> believes about Baha and Bab, much better than you do.

  Seyyed, I absolutely agree with you, that is why I offered the entry
in the Brittanica as a *Baha'i* source--the article in there is
written by a Baha'i.  Similarly, I believe the articles on all of the
different religions in the Encyclopedia Brittanica are written by
their adherents.
--
Mark Towfiq, FTP Software, towfiq@FTP.COM, W:+1 617 224 6275, H:+1 617 488 2818

There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever
religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the
subjects of one God.
		-- The Writings of Baha'u'llah
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: replay to shash Khor-e Mortazavi, short story. Part I. -: )
Originator: sehari@selma.ecss.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:41:20 GMT

                 Shash Khor-e Mortazavi ba Mostarah Me-ravad.

It was one of those hot days of summer, everybody have drank cold water
and softdrink.  After driving for  hours this was the first stop on
their way. So they stop to go to the bath room. Everybody rushed to go to 
the bath room. To their surprise they see several people standing in the
line. To kill the time, while standing in the line, they started talking.
they talked about everything and anything. The talked about the stranger, whom
they picked up on their way. He call himself Sh. Mortazavi; even though,
the words sound strange to them. What could be the meaning of these words?
While they were talking they noticed Mr. Sh. came back  from the store 
and was carrying two large plastic containers, which he could barely hold 
on to. He stood behind everybody else in the line,  with a quiet
smile on his face.  His smiles grow bigger and bigger as more and more people
came out of the bath room. 

When it was just a few people in his way to the "Mostarah", suddenly he start
laughing in the loud voice.  The containers, which he was carrying on his
hand start hitting each other and making the sound of there own.  People,
who were standing in front of him, thought to themselves that he might be
in a rush; therefore, they offered him to go ahead of them.  Never the less,
the Sh. M. refused and said he would like to be the last person, who goes to
rest room. 

Finally it was his turn, he went to the bath room with the huge containers.

                {Stay tune for the rest of the story next week.}
  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay)
Subject: Re: Singapore Babies...
Organization: CSA Research, Singapore.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:07:10 GMT

kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:
>>v999s3bz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (---roach---) writes:
>>   if i am not wrong, army is like 2.5 to 3 years???
>In my day, it was 2 to 2.5 years depending on whether you failed or passed 
>your A-levels, respectively.  I think the government wanted to increase it 
>to 3 but the people objected to it and it was left at 2 to 2.5 years.  I 
>believe our juniors are most thankful for this.

A point of clarification.  Everyone who begins service, has to sign a 
document in which it states that should he get promoted to a rank of Cpl
or better OR get a full A Level certificate, then he has to do an extra
6 months of service (kinda punishment for doing better!).  I never knew of
this document until close to my ROD when I had the opportunity to browse
through my docket and came across a document that I had signed on the day of
my enlistment.  Enlistment Day is one big blur for me for all I remember is
being herded from room to room to swear allegience etc and then to await the
trucks to be brought to camp.

This extra 6 months is catered for in the Enlistment Act.  So, if the govt
wants to extend it any further, they've got to bring in an amendment to the
Act.  As nothing has ever come up regarding this in Parliament, I can quite
safely say that it will never happen.  About the only thing we hear is to 
reduce the 2.5 years to about 1.5 or so like the Germans.

If instead of doing 2.5 years in the army/police/navy/air force/cd, I'd like
to see people be given the option to participate in the Singapore 
International Foundation (our version of the Peace Corp).

If this is not acceptable, perhaps the govt should allow people who are
in the reserves to "sacrifice" 6 months to 2 years of their time in the SIF 
after which they should be considered to have completed their reservist (and
not "re-service" as ---roach--- says) obligations.  That way, perhaps Zack
and others who dread traditional reservists stints would choose to return
home.

I believe the people who have gone on for higher ed would be better able to
contribute to a Peace Corp-like stint than that 18-year-old fresh out of
PreU.

Comments?

Enjoy!
--
Harish Pillay             harish%csar@uunet.uu.net
Singapore               "Psst!  Wanna buy some gum?"
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Hereditary rulers and Malaysian Chinese
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:12:38 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <2337@news.duke.edu>, jit@slic.cellbio.duke.edu writes:
> In article <92101.143753ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET> ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET (C. K. Ng) writes:

	[a lot of stuff been deleted]

> 
> Many people did not post not because they are dumb or they agree
> with the discussions, but their reservations that they are going 
> home to Malaysia. That's the big difference.
> As you probably know that from your signature :-)
> 

	I like to pick up this point.  I heard some rumors that there
are some Malaysian spies in US to monitor the so called subversive 
elements.
	I wonder it is true ? Can anyone confirm this ?  if there is
no response to this, I presume it is true :-)


Jack Teh



> On the other hand, you are certainly welcome to give your opinion
> as much as possible, since you aren't going back, in an unbiased,
> unfearful way.  
> 
> No flame intended.  Just an observation.
> 
>>Sincerely,
>> Chee-Keong "hope they don't detain me when I go back this summer" Ng, PhD
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>> "Anak penoreh getah dan bangga dengannya"
>> Assistant professor in finance and banking
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Malaysian recipe #1
From: chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC)
Date: 17 Apr 92 17:05:44 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: Electronic and Electrical Engineering Department, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

Dear s.c.a. netters,

This is the first of what I hope to be a series of Malaysian
recipes that I will post.  Most of them are from mom.  Some
of them are from a few Malaysian close friends of mine.
To kick the series off, I would post halal recipes which
do not use beef (so they are suitable for everyone, hopefully).

Note to the non-Moslems, meat that is not pork is not necessarily
halal.  To be halal, the meat has to be be prepared in a special 
way.  So be careful what you serve when entertaining our Moslem 
friends.

Hopefully, others can share their Malaysian "secrets" as well.


-------------- Cut here --------------------------------------

Deep fried curried fish.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ingredients.

1/2 Kg small fish (such as hering)  approx: a dozen fish per 1/2 kilo
some Indian curry powder
chillies to taste
1/2 cup flour
1/2 cup tapioca flour (or corn flour)
2 teaspoons of baking powder
salt to taste
2 eggs
some water
A lot of cooking oil

Method:

Clean and gut the fish.  Cut off the head (can save for other dishes).
Cut along the bottom of the fish, right up to the dorsal fin, but not
all the way through.  Remove the back bone.  You should now be able to
open the fish up.
 ___              ___
<___><  becomes  <___><
                 <___>

This is a time consuming process and you can prepare the fish up to 
6 hours prior to cooking.  Season the fish with salt.

Mix the two flours up with the curry powder, chilly, salt and baking
powder.  Keep 1/4 of the flour aside.  Beat the two eggs and add in 
the flour.  Let mixture stand for 15 minutes.  Add enough water to 
the mixture to make it fluid enough to flow like cold oil.  

Heat the cooking oil.  It must be very hot.  Dust each fish with the 
saved flour and dip into the egg-flour mixture.  Fry immideately.
Do NOT fry the fish for longer than 10 minues of the meat will
lose its quality.  Serve hot, preferbly with Nasi Lemak.

This recipe is also suitable for chicken.  If chicken is used, the
meat should be separated from the bones and should be sliced
thinly.  The meat should also be marinated with curry powder,
salt and some chopped onion.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dennis Chuah, BE (Elec)    | "One Country,  | Supporting the Malaysian 
Te Whare Wananga O Waitaha | One People." - | Hockey team for gold in 
Aotearoa.                  | Maori proverb. | Barcelona.
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"Pencangkul Matahari" email: chuah@stargate.elec.canterbury.ac.nz
From: an512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: To all you weenies....
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:50:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr8.075036.24728
Reply-To: an512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Lee)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, MFA109@psuvm.psu.edu () says:

>In article <1992Apr6.173658.739@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
>an512@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Lee) says:
>>
>>>AHHHHHH...now that the Holy Bulan Rammadan is over we see the tough
>>>guys come out to play, eh??? I sincerely hope that your children
>>>will not turn out to be like you...hiding behind the cloud of the Islamic
>>>religion...Bahh!!! :)


>i have seen many articles on this net that refers the holy month of ramadhan.
>and i have also seen some non muslims invoke this holy month to make a point.
>when a person who happens to be a muslim, curses or uses foul language, he
>is automaticly branded as breaking the rules of the ramadhan month.
>
>but, is it necessarily wrong for just the month of ramadhan? where did you

Nope. Holds true for every month of the year in every inteligent conversation.


>get the idea that muslims can't curse during ramadhan? is cursing on the net,
>just a musim thing? 
        ^^^^^ 
Common knowledge. Holy thoughts, my friend. And no, tis not a seasonal nor 
any educated man's thing.


>i seem to recall an articl on the Penang free school that really got out 
>of hand. was it okay for them to curse cause they don't observe the 
>ramadhan month?

Sorry wrong guli here. The person responsible, please respond.


>i do not advocate the use of foul language on the net. we are sensible people
>here(i hope) and we should know what is black and white. BUT, please do not
>invoke the use of religion when counter debating another person's opinion (if
>it is not a religious issue). zam is but a speck of a sky full of muslims .
>insulting him on the basis of ramadhan would be an indirect insult to muslims
>who observe the month of ramadhan.

Please check your facts first before ejaculating prematurely, Mr. Firdaus.
Zam openly declared that he shall refrain from any flames in observance
of the Ramaddan month. Azran or Rezal (??) did comment that twas wrong of
him to declare the Rammadan a "month of temporary truce." The exact day
after Raya, foul language was used. The use of religion was invoked by
our friend Zam. I just pointed out the facts. No insults intended to all
Muslims, nor apology owed. Enuf said.

>-firdaus azharuddin-
>muslim, malaysian, malay and human.

-Bruce "Malaysian, Chinese, Old-Frees, and In-Debt" Lee
--
From: zam@athena.mit.edu (Nor Aazizam Mohd Aasif)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: A paradox?
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:06:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr8.200603.23106
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr8.021220.18492@leland.Stanford.EDU> rezal@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rezal Adzly Abdul Rahman) writes:
>
>Let's see, first the sultan of Kelantan avoids paying taxes, then
>the state decides to implement the islamic law while still protecting
>the Sultan?
>
>Just what kind of moronic logic is this?

	Nothing unusual with the above circumstances.  The Sultan of
Kelantan refuses to pay the tax assosiated with his car because he
does not feel he needs to get the federal's approval in doing so.
Since he has gotten the permission from the Kelantan state government,
that is all that matter to him and I don't see anything wrong with
this.

	A Muslim should live by the Islamic Laws; if a person refuses
to live by the Shariah Laws, then by a simple logic, that person is
not a Muslim.  That is all I have to say about the Kelantan state
government's attempt to implement the Shariah Laws in Kelantan.

===------ 
NorAazizam MohdAAsif	 
The white man made many promises to us but they never kept but one; they
promised to take our land and they took it.
                                                        Red Cloud