From: jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)
Subject: Re: Want facts?  "WHO RUNS THE MEDIA?  The Alarming Facts"
Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41
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Date: 13 Apr 92 00:50:28

In article <1992Apr12.071221.2718@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>   In article <JIME.92Apr12011324@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>   # In article <1992Apr12.014433.29249@ennews.eas.asu.edu> makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky) writes:
>   # >   In article <JIME.92Apr10223708@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:
>   # >   # Yes, you are right.  [The amount of land purchased by pre-1948
>   # >   # Zionists] should be between 7 and 8%, not 5%.  I erred.
>	   You no longer try to defend the 5-8% figure.  I geuss this is
>   because you must realize that as a percentage of available land the
>   Zionists bought a huge amount

What gives you this idea?  You posted a 7% number, and I agreed with it.

>   # 1.  During the 1948 war, the Israeli forces had the deliberate policy
>   # to expel the Palestinian populace from their villages and lands.  Even
>   # Ben Gurion participated in this decision.
>
>	   The only deliberate acts of expulsion that were carried out (there
>   were others that were drawn up but not executed - this is not strange)
>   were on villages that had been mortal threats to Jewish lives, for
>   instance some were used as bases to launch attacks.

Of course, in some Israelis' minds, _any_ Arab presents a mortal
threat, so _all_ Arabs should be expelled.  Your spin is unconvincing.

>   # 2.  After the populace fled, any farmers etc returning to their lands
>  # were arrested or shot.
>
>	   At least you admit that many fled, and were not forced.  Almost
>   none were shot when they did not instigate, and when they were shot,
>   there was substantial reason to believe there was a threat.  I do not
>   know of any that were arrested, but some were deported (is that what
>   you mean by arrested?).

Many were forced to flee.  Many were shot when they tried to harvest
the crops from their own land.  Does that count as instigation?

>   # 3.  Many Palestinian villages were dynamited or bulldozed.  Kinda
>   # makes it hard to come home when there is no home to come home to.
>
>	   The only ones this happened to were the ones that were a mortal
>  threat.

See definition of "threat" above.  You are wrong.  Most villages were
dynamited after they were abandoned by the Arabs, and thus presented
no more danger to the Israelis.
 
>  # 4.  The vacant lands were declared "abandoned".  Any abandoned land
>   # was expropriated and made state land.  It was made available for sale
>   # to Jews only (an essentially racist law).
>   # No attempt was made to
>   # compensate the Palestinians.
>   # Now that was perfectly legal in the sense that it followed Israeli
>   # law.  Yet it was not right.

>	   You seem to have totally ignored the overwhelming amount of land
>   that was state land before Israel even had it (and therefore does not
>   include any of the land given in your "explanation").

What does that have to do with the expropriation of land?  Nothing.
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=Jim  jime%atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
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