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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: "Drugs" threaten democracy in f
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:06:47 GMT

ebenami@igc.apc.org (Etan Ben-Ami) writes:
: 
: Bill,
:     Concerning prison work -- and I'm not going to include your thread
: -- you've got some fucking balls.  You sound like one of those fascist
: potheads who take the line that the drugs they enjoy are damn near 
: sacramental while the drugs others choose are a sin.  Let the infant
: Jesus shut your mouth and open your mind!

Hm, were you talking about me? If not, them my comment do not apply.
It is hard to tell, since you did not quote any of the thread. Mighty
nice of you.

I do not feel that drug users should be in prison - period. I do
believe that people who harm others should be. This includes muggers
and rapists and drug abusers who get high and drive. I also believe
that these people should be required to help pay for their keep.

:     Right now I've got a friend on Rikers, doing time for simple 
: possession of smack.  It's maybe the dozenth time he's been inside
: for simple possession.  He's a life-long junkie, unable to do anything
: about his habit, except occassionally go on methadone.  He's not a bad
: guy and he usually holds down some scut labor job or two.  His
: moral character isn't much better or worse than anybody who's had a
: ten year bout of trying to quit smoking.
:     So he's a con.  You're going to put him to work?  I hope they tax
: your butt till it bleeds for the cost of keeping him locked up.  I hope

See above. I don't even believe he should be in prison. I strongly
disagree with having to pay taxes to support such a person - anywhere
from $30,000 to about $75,000 per year. Why does it cost so much,
anyway?

: eventually you'll get tired of paying to have people locked up and
: decide that there really aren't that many non-violent, non-ripoff 
: crimes that we have to protect ourselves from.  The only way it's
: going to happen is if the people have to pay and pay and pay.

Possibly. However, I doubt if people will think of that. We will have
to get the media partly on our side - so people will learn exactly how
much this stupid war is actually costing them.

Bill
From: wsonnen@alnitak.usc.edu (Wayne Sonnen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Smart Drugs
Date: 22 Dec 92 23:03:07 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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There are plenty of books on the subject, i can recommend two:

(1) "Smart drugs and nutrients" bu Dean and Morgan

(2) The Life extension's guide to life extension drugs. Life
    extension foundation has an 800 number and is located in FL.

There are numerous places to buy these drugs, including some nutrients
available in health food stores (although less expensive via. mail order
vitamin/nutritional supplement companies).

Once you have looked into this subject and want some good addresses of where
to buy these drugs, let me know. I have been buying these for about a year
now and have accumulated a fairly good list. I also have 'grey market' contacts
(eg. pharmacies in Mexico and independent bussiness persons in europe) who
will mail me stuff.

wayne
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Cadence Design Systems
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:18:24 GMT

In article <Bz3t5z.BBK@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
>Stricknyne, however, does not have this
>aptitude, and as LSD decays (thermally triggered) it decomposes into
>stricknyne (used in rat poison - not an urban legend).  If the stuff you 

Your spelling and knowledge certainly coincide.  Does everyone in the
strychnine universe have these spelling problems?

Note: It is true that strychnine has been used in rat poison, so you are
correct that that fact is not an urban legend.

But: Strychnine is almost never found in LSD, and LSD definitely CANNOT
break down into strychnine -- except in the strychnine universe, of course,
where EVERYTHING breaks down into strychnine, even table sugar!

Get thee behind me, foul denizen of the the strychnine universe!

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

If something's not worth doing, it's not worth doing well.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Some anonymous posts
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 08:39:52 GMT

zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh) writes:
: 
: ----------------
: Does anyone have some insights on good ol' civil forfeiture and the supreme
: court ruling on the constitutionality of such?  I recall mention that a case
: was going to transpire but then was delayed.  Do you know the facts?  When is
: the new court date?
: 
: Or is there hope that President Clinton will intervene?  Does anyone know of
: his feelings and plans on the matter of CivForf?

I suspect, since he turned his own brother in for drug use, that he will
support anything involved with the WOD.

: -------
: I am wondering if anyone else has tried the rice cake method of growing
: mushrooms and has had similar problems to mine (and hopefully knows
: what to do about it).  I followed the directions given in an article
: several months ago. (mid-August) and was quite excited when 4 out of 5
: jars had uncontaminated white fluffy growth permeating the medium.
: (several weeks later)  Unfortunately, there has never been anything
: resembling stringy fibers which was the signal to give the jars some
: light.  I am wondering if I have done something obviously wrong, or if
: this method isn't as foolproof as using different mediums for different
: stages.  I still have 2 jars that are uncontaminated; should I consider
: transferring the culture to a different medium?  Should I give the jars
: light even though I don't see the stringy growth? Should I give up and
: go back to having little success at buying mushrooms from someone
: else?

Check the instructions again. There may be some temperature or humidity
requirements that you are not fulfilling.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: LSD and alcoholics posting on usenet
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 23:28:43 GMT

You two basicly just have a fundamental disagreement. This is OK but why not
take it to Email and spare the rest of us? I think you have long since
stopped enlightening us on this matter.



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From: honig@ruffles.ICS.UCI.EDU (David Honig)
Subject: _SCIENCE_ articles: opiate and cannibinoid receptors
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:08:07 GMT


In the most recent SCIENCE, there are articles on the finding of a claimed
opiate receptor (the natural ligands have been known for a while)
and of the finding of purported natural ligands for the recently discovered/cloned
cannibinoid receptors.  At least in pig brains.
..................................................

Gee, since they found pot receptors in pig brains,
will they look for truffle receptors in human brains too?

..................................................

This is your brain.  (Shows typical black and white gel-electrophoresis
slab).

This is your brain on drugs.  (Shows a Mondrian painting.)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Malevolessence)
Subject: dumbshits flailing like mucus drool...
Organization: Multinational Corporations, Inc.
Date: 2 Jan 93 15:01:16 PST

> 	Alcohol is a depressant.  It triggers behavior patterns that can lead
> to negativity and sometimes even violence.  It severely impairs rection and
> rationality, and inhibits functional communication in large doses.

	As well as removing various neurotic subprocesses of your brain,
unleashing certain sections of your personality, and insinuating wave-pattern
euphoria into your personality -- above you describe the side effects on your
normal non-daily-drinker.

> 	Alcohol can have its uses: the relaxatin of inhibitions can do won-
> ders for overcoming artistic "blocks" (ie, writers block, etc)  Unfortunately,
> so can LSD ( I don't know about MDMA), making that not a unique validation.

	Agreed.  A little oversimplified.  Nietzsche says it best.

> 
> 	IN a nutshell:
> 	Tripping: the universe ceases to exist behind you until you remember
> that it was there and look there.  Man, that was wierd.  You ever wonder if
> ... shit your face did something really wierd.  Your teeth look big.  It's
> like, astral space.  Neat. Quiet or those guys will know were tripping.
> 
> 	Drunk: the universe ceases to exist.  or maybe it does.  who cares.
> the floor is a very safe place to be.  Gimme another fuckin' beer.  No I 
> HAVEN'T had enough.  Fuck you man. I'm FUCKING DRUNK FUCK YOU.

	Over simplification merely outlining your ignorance of both drugs and
their potential.
	I can't tell who is more pathetic:  the republican shithead who says
that LSD is evil and causes insanity (similarly, he migh tell you that
masturbation causes blindness) or the LSD neophyte (? - perhaps not.  maybe
life neophyte would be more accurate) who believes it is the cure for
everything, including problems he knows nothing about...

Bucko "Biffage" Gizm
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD and alcoholics posting on usenet
Date: 27 Dec 92 17:42:46 GMT
Organization: Microdata Oy

jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla) writes:

>Just read from the newspapers today of a new drug naloxone which
>prevents the brain from forming natural opiates when drinking.

   Naloxone is an opioid antagonist long used in the treatment of opioid
addicts. It is hardly a new drug, unless that means that it was developed
during this century. And I believe that it doesn't prevent the endogenous
opioids from forming, but from binding to the receptors.

>I am deeply wondering what do these "scientists" think a human is but a
>biochemical machine. 

   A human being IS a biochemical machine, among other things. A soft machine,
to quote Burroughs. ;-)
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From: oseiler@nyx.cs.du.edu (Oliver Seiler)
Subject: Re: LSD
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: LSD
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 09:33:26 GMT


Well, LSD stands for (looking back in my memory):
Lysergic Saure N,N-Diethylamide... Saure (I think I'm spelling it right) is
German for acid. As for whether it's easy to make, well, that depends. It
could be made in a high-school laboratory, but most likely not by a casual
student. It is a lot more complex than most things done in high-school
chemistry... Try college level (maybe third or fourth year) organic
chemistry. 
  As for a synthesis, there are a number floating around, and you could
probably go to your local library to find them all (I know, because that's
exactly what I did). Not something I have on hand to share with you
though...

-Oliver
From: curt@access.digex.com (curt williams)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Date: 3 Jan 1993 05:00:25 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com


Aside from buying all the Reddi Whip in Virginia, where do you get 
it?  Is this something I can look up in the yellow pages and order a bottle
of.  I'm running out of teeth to get drilled.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: Life (death) imitates usenet - man dies from LSD abuse.
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 06:15:10 GMT

billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:

>sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney) writes:
>: 	Timothy Murphy's death came 17 days after that of a teenager who
>: had taken similar tabs, an inquest in Luton was told. Dr Patrick Toseland,
>: a toxicologist at Guy's hospital, London, who submitted a report to the 
>: hearing, said afterwards that deaths related to the hallucingenic drug LSD
>: were extremely rare. ''I hadn't seen one for 23 years until these two this
>: year,'' he said. Mr Murphy, 25, collapsed at his home after drinking heavily
>: and takin 11 tabs. Dr Toseland said that alcohol could increase the risk
>: of death from LSD. An inquest last month was told that Denise Jones, 18,
>: died in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, after swallowing similar tabs."
>: 
>: I guess that answers the question "How much LSD is fatal?". 11 tabs, in this
>: poor bastard's case.

>Nope. All it means is that the person took some LSD. He also may have had a
>few grams of salt shortly before hand, with a meal. Are we to say that, in
>his case X grams of salt were fatal? Of course not, that would be stupid.

>I suspect that the LSD had nothing to do with the death, and that he died
>of acute alcohol poisoning. 

>Bill

Well I don't believe the article at all. It contains several factual
errors and I suspect the whole thing is an elaborate fabrication by a lazy
reporter.


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: pershing@csn.org (Paul Pershing)
Subject: Re: A question. . .
Originator: pershing@teal.csn.org
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 01:20:26 GMT

cd741@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Andarti) writes:


>In a previous article, bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott) says:

>>In article <1992Dec30.225617.2037@reed.edu> mcoffin@reed.edu (Miguel De Laguna) writes:
>>
>>
>>Just to keep things in perspective, I'd like to point out that many (most?)
>>of the people smoking crack and injecting heroin don't have ATM cards and
>>probably don't have convenience stores open 24 hours in their neighborhoods.

Nonsense. People who want drugs bad enough will get the money. This is 
propaganda. Don't buy into it. The mayor of Washington, D.C. certainly
had ATM cards, credit cards, etc. And don't think he was the only person
running out on the streets hunting dope (crack, etc.), and driving a
Mercedes, carrying plenty of plastic money, etc.
That old saw about crack being a "ghetto drug," is silly. Please don't
do yourself a disservice by believing it. Same is true of heroin. Dope
migrated from the "ghettos" 25-30 years ago.
.

>Oh sigh...sounds like more WoD propaganda.  Let me guess, you think
>all crack users live in the inner city etc.....  Let me suggest that
>you ask your local suburban teenager what *he* does with a box
>of Choreboy....

-- What's "Choreboy"?   ----



>>people turn to injecting because it requires less drug.  The rush of an
>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I think you'll find that this is not true, either.

Look, you guys. People don't turn to injecting because it requires "less drug."
That's the same kind of silliness that _used_ to be mouthed from the 
law enforcement community, and other people who _don't really know_.
People shoot dope because it gets you higher, faster: Period.

>>injection is certainly reinforcing, but it cannot explain why someone would 
>>initiate injection (given the increased risks which accompany injecting).  

C'mon. People who shoot dope aren't thinking about "increased risks." If
that were an issue, injection wouldn't be on the menu.
Believe it. .


>Maybe for the same reason they'd do anything that might be harmful....
>>
>>>	_Miguel_
>>
>>   --M@
>P.

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey)
Subject: Re: Danger of cocaine questioned by WHO researcher
Organization: AT&T
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 07:49:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.172231.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> civl097@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes:
>2. With views like this, I don't think Dr Ball will last long with the UN.

Exactly what I was thinking!  Where'd this guy come from?  How did he get
so high up?  Did he play the game all along and then suddenly become
honest, or has he really been this honest all along?

This is *weird*.

  Thanks awfully,
           Patrick
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Reach Clinton on Compuserve
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: LSD and alcoholism
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 21:44:38 GMT

jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:

>ppennane@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Petrus Pennanen) writes:

>>With a good setting and positive expectations some of those alcoholics
>>should get a plus-four or a near plus-four magical experience if given a
>>large dose of acid, which would make them enjoy life and stop drinking.

>   Still, I suppose you understand that even if a method that guarantees
>plus-fours were discovered, it would not be bound to make everyone who
>experienced them enjoy life, much less an alcoholic stop drinking. Such things
>take more than just a good trip.
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True but it might make them discover it (life) for the first time and stop
fucking with it in stupid ways. Leary claims an 80% recidivism rate for
prisoners (many of them violent) who underwent his LSD prison therapy
program. The normal rate for that prison was 20 percent (80% came back).

Also his alcholic LSD therapy treatments were allegedly totally effective
50 % of the time. If only AA worked so well. Of course it would be stupid
to attribute all of these results to LSD. But anytime you form emotional
bonds with people that really care about you (and LSD aids this immensely)
your life will be changed - and for the better by anyones standards.


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From: wsonnen@alnitak.usc.edu (Wayne Sonnen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: smoke
Date: 24 Dec 1992 14:59:16 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alnitak.usc.edu

In article <103144@netnews.upenn.edu> cappiell@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Steven Cappiello) writes:
>
>
>>
>>Just a reminder (I'm sure you all know this anyway):  When you post
>>"I smoke crack" here, you are etching a permanant and public record.
>
>

In that case i'd like to make it official that although i've tried it--
i didn't inhale!  

wayne


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:55:42 -0500 
From: "Bartley R. Troyan" <bt26+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: PDFA members

Anybody know offhand what companies are members of the "Partnership for a Drug
Free America"? A friend mentioned that it's probably beer companies and OTC
drug manufacturers, which would make sense--they'd rather you drink beer
and take aspirin than smoke pot--but I have no actual references for this.
Pointers to any info on the subject would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
--Bart
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney)
Subject: Re: Life (death) imitates usenet - man dies from LSD abuse.
Reply-To: sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:44:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.205224.3243@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>sweeney@Ingres.COM (Tony Sweeney) writes:
[LSD fatality story deleted.]
>
>Nope. All it means is that the person took some LSD. He also may have had a
>few grams of salt shortly before hand, with a meal. Are we to say that, in
>his case X grams of salt were fatal? Of course not, that would be stupid.
>
The man was _legally_ declared as having died from the effects of the LSD
in a Coroner's court, by a consultant toxicologist from what many consider
to be the best teaching hospital in the UK if not the world.

>I suspect that the LSD had nothing to do with the death, and that he died
>of acute alcohol poisoning. 
>
I'd be *very* surprised if a consultant toxicologist overlooked this
possibility, Bill. I'd go with Dr. Toseland on this one.

>Bill

Tony "Just say YES!" Sweeney.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)
Subject: Re: query re: drugs and us security clearances -
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 17:35:23 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In article <1i2ei8INN6vk@calvin.usc.edu> alves@calvin.usc.edu (William Alves) writes:
>I know of people who, when faced with the "magic"
>of a polygraph, simply confessed.
	I suspect this is the main use of lie detectors.  The cynical and
	manipulative people who "lead" this country know that lie detectors
	are just smoke and mirrors to intimidate the proles into submission.

>All I did was concentrate on my breathing, try not to *think* about the
>questions being asked but just answer automatically, and relax as much
>as possible.
>I lied through my teeth and passed with flying colors.
	I'm glad that more and more incidents like yours are coming to
	light.  It helps to debunk the myths that the authorities 
	propagate to keep people in line.

	I encourage any of you who have "beat the box" to post the details
	of you situation and how you beat it.  The more people know it can
	be beat the less useful it becomes as an instrument of intimidation.

							smg



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