HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: Bush is a mother fucker
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:31:23 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

GILBERT@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU writes:

: It's ALWAYS easy to sit and pontificate, as we NETusers should know better
: than anyone, but none of us has the POWER, AUTHORITY, or INFLUENCE of the
: Vice-President of the United States. You can't put a smiley on a press 
: release.

The Vice-President has power, authority, and/or influence?!?!?  :-)
Scary thought....especially, considering who the current veep is.

	"Once there were two brothers: one ran away to sea, the other
	was elected Vice-President -- and nothing was ever heard from 
	either of them again."  -- Thomas Marshall

	"The Vice-Presidency of the United States isn't worth a pitcher
	of warm spit."  -- John Nance Garner

	"My country has contrived for me the most insignificant office
	that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination
	conceived." -- John Adams

Now returning you to your regularly scheduled newsgroups.....  :-)


--
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Marrou/Lord in '92



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From: mlbruce@husc11.harvard.edu (Matthew Bruce)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Slick What? (Was Re: Slick Willy's Peace Movement)
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:51:11 GMT
 <1992Oct4.051938.11568@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> <rmvdhfx@Unify.Com>
Distribution: na

ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan) writes:

>In article <1992Oct4.051938.11568@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> a74k110@phobos.ucc.umass.edu writes:
>>
>> ... If I were Clinton I'd shoot anyone that called me "slick willie",
>>but then again I don't have the temperment to be a politician.  That term
>>is so utterly insulting, but then again it fits in with the republican 
>>sleaze mentality.

The term originated with Paul Greenberg. Anybody from Arkansas happen to
know his party registration? 

>Maybe Clinton doesn't protest the nickname too much because of what "willie"
>means in British slang.  I think it quite possible that he and Hillary could
>be using the nickname during their more intimate moments.  Followups ought
>to go to a group I don't know about, being a chaste maiden lady ;o).


>Carrie		ceb@rechenau.unify.com	x6244		--------------------+
>| "Other sports exist only to keep you occupied until baseball season comes |
>| around again."					- Dave Barry	    |
>+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Slick Willy's Peace Movement
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:54:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
:Brad Green writes:
:> I'm questioning the character of Slick.
:If you thought the Vietnam war was wrong, why did you go?  If you
:didn't, what's your problem with Clinton?  He thought it was wrong,
:didn't go, and spent several years protesting instead.  If the
:politicians had listened to people like Clinton first, how many of
:your combat buddies would have died?

And oh, what a wonderful world this would be. Let's give 'em Vietnam and
the entire Southeast Peninsula, why don't we. It's absolutely wrong to
fight against Communism. We should just let them march all the way to
Manila.

-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck		DUKE BLUE DEVILS: 1992 ACC CHAMPIONS!
Biomedical Engineer 1993	1992 EAST REGIONAL CHAMPIONS!!
Duke University, Durham, NC	AND 1992 NCAA NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!
August 31, 1992 - May 16, 1993	Taking life pretty seriously. NOT.
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: The essence of Clinton
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:25:27 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Oct5.045108.20195@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>Something tells me that under Clinton's economic policies there will
>some unwritten reason that I won't be able to take part in his system of
>equal opportunity.  Plus I fear that my career plans might be jeopardized
>under a Clinton presidency.

Yeah, I heard him say in a speech, "That Simon.  I'm gonna git him if
it's the last thing I do."  He then drew a pentagram on the floor, and
tried to summon J. Edgar Hoover.  Or Cthulu, I wasn't sure.

Care to elaborate?



--
"Sounds interesting....  Sounds interesting...."
				-- Homer Simpson
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:02:30 EDT
From: <DGS4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: social security, retirement

In article <1992Oct2.040348.4556@midway.uchicago.edu>, wag5@quads.uchicago.edu
(john peter wagner) says:
>
>        Might there be any credence to the notion that social
>security system prevents personal savings?  Before the system

No.  A number of economic studies have been done on this and the
weight of the empirical evidence is that the effect of the Social
Security system on national and personal saving has been nil.
Nobel Prize winner Franco Modigliani summarized the evidence in
this manner: "...the net impact of Social Security on savings is close
to zero."

Social Security does have the impact you mention, however, that is offset
its impact on early retirement, which increases savings needed to finance
retirement.

>was set up people would save or invest for their retirement-
>in banks, businesses, children, etc.  Today that investment

Read some history.  People did not save for retirement.  They ended
up poor and destitute after they could no longer work.  If they
had compassionate relatives they moved in with them.  If they did
not they ended up in almshouses, mental institutions, and jails.
Don't idealize the past.  Before Social Security economists
estimate that at least one-half, and perhaps as many as 80% of
the elderly (then the population 50 and above) we're in poverty
or institutionalized.

>is being taken from them and paid back to them by the government-
>they have no personal control.  The only thing this might actually
>protect against is mass fooling of the population; i.e. people
>buy stock in 'fake gold mines' or 'government backed currencies'
>or whatnot.  But then there is the old saying fool me once,
>etc., fool me twice I rip your lungs out.  The people who
>lost their investments in banks in the depression today sock
>their money away in least-risky indeavors- it seems to me that
>such learned prudence would result in the greatest protection
>from hardship.  As it is written, Noah got soused and naked,
>and one son told the other two about it; the other two ACTED,
>covered their pop's nackedness, and the pop told the unattendant
>son he was 'second-rate' to the two who covered up their pop.
>Look at it like this; the 'good sons' respected their father,
>and his sense of pride, etc., the 'bad son' did not, and thus
>they would succeed.  In the same way in America people who
>do not heed the lessons of the past are doomed for failure;
>people who do not respect the lessons of their elders are doomed
>to repeat them.  Let the social security tax and system be
>removed and let people learn how to avoid the untrustworthy.
>
>                        Hugs
>                        J. Wagner
>
>
Dennis G. Shea, Penn State
<<DISCLAIMER>>
Ain't nobody's bizness but my own. I'll be happy to accept all
the credit for anything I've written.  It's funny, however, how
employers only acknowledge the profitable ideas.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: williams@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Kent Williams)
Subject: Re: Public Education (Was: Re: Family Leave)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:33:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

Let's get down to cases -- Norfolk Public Schools.  The public schools
are for poor people.  Nobody of any means send their kids to public schools.
The public schools suck.

My parents, good liberals that they were, moved to Norfolk and put two
kids (my younger brother and sister) in public school.  Having moved
from Iowa, where the public schools are excellent, they thought "how
bad can it be?"  They were uncomfortable with the elitist aspects of
private school.

After two years, they had to bail out and put the kids in private
schools.  The schools in Norfolk weren't just not as good as Iowa's,
they were a travesty.  There is an de facto two tier system -- one for
white people with money, and one for poor people.  And the private
schools are accountable to no one except the parents who send their
kids.

Bush's school choice platform ratifies systems like Norfolk, and moves
backwards from the United States historical commitment to universal
education.  It is just one more way that Bush wants to divide the
country into winners and losers, and to penalize the losers for being
born.

I don't read any of the groups this is posted to, and I took out
alt.fan.dan-quayle.  If you want to respond, do so by mail.
--
Kent Williams -- williams@cs.uiowa.edu
"I'm tired of being nice to people who're full of shit" -- Me
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From: bks@s27w007.pswfs.gov (Bradley K. Sherman)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Poll Potpourri
Date: 2 Oct 1992 02:19:37 GMT
Organization: Committee to Impeach H. Ross Perot's Barber
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: s27w007.pswfs.gov


Some recent poll results in no particular order:

 Region     Clinton   Bush   Perot    ME     Sample    Dates Polled
+--------+----------+------+-------+------+----------+--------------+
USA            44      39     14      4.5    616 lv     9/23-9/27
USA            45      34      9      3      897 rv     9/24
USA            42      34     10      3      897 rv     9/27
USA            47      28     18      3     1190 csva   9/11-9/17
Colorado       46      39     --      4.6    451 rv     9/14-9/18
S. Dakota      37      30     15      3.5    812 lv     9/25-9/26
Alabama        50      44     --      5      503 rv     9/21-9/26
Alaska         39      34     19      4      626 rv     9/19-9/20
Indiana        33      34      4      3.5    825 rv     9/24-9/27
Rhode I.       46      21     12      4      516 lv     9/20-9/23
Rhode I. (cf)  19      20     32                        6/92
Vermont        53      25     --      4      603 rv     c. 9/20
Orange Cty CA  35      33     22      4      600 rv     9/25-9/27
Connecticut    46      32     22      4.5    592 rv     9/21-9/24
Kansas         38      37     13      4.4    500 rv     9/20-9/23
Mass.          59      27     --      5      400 lv     9/20-9/21
Lousiana       36      37     11      3.5    807 lv     9/21-9/22
New Hampshire  38      27      9      4.8    434 rv     9/9-9/13
S. Carolina    35      42     10      3.5    808 lv     9/19-9/20
Arizona        36      31     17      4      500 lv     9/18-9/20
N. Dakota      37      41      2      4      677 lv     c. 9/20
Delaware       42      37     11      4      618 lv     9/14-9/16
Georgia        43      36     10      3.5    812 lv     9/15-9/17
Oklahoma       32      40     13      3.5    831 lv     9/17-9/18
Vermont        39      30     12      4      610 lv     9/16-9/18
+--------+----------+------+-------+------+----------+--------------+
 Region     Clinton   Bush   Perot    ME     Sample    Dates Polled

Legend
  ME   = +/-% Margin of Error
  --   = Not applicable for that poll
  lv   = likely voters
  rv   = registered voters
  csva = college students of voting age

----
    --Brad Sherman

 November's sky is chill and drear,
 November's leaf is red and sear.
    --Sir Walter Scott

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From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Public Education (Was: Re: Family Leave)
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 4 Oct 92 14:10:13 GMT
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus) writes:
: kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l) writes:

: >Steve Kellmeyer 
: >kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
: 
: PS Why aren't you at Northwestern to put your money where your mouth is?

Perhaps he doesn't like elitist institutions that renege on financial 
aid offers.

--
Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)	 		"Republicans understand the
Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu			 importance of bondage between
Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD			 parent and child."
Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com			-- Dan Quayle
UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarOwl                                    

Marrou/Lord in '92
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: hlin@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (hua.t.lin)
Subject: Re: Comrade Clinton
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:02:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.221414.11349@netcom.com> garyd@netcom.com (Gary Dietz) writes:
>I forget the quote, but there is someone who once said something like
>you have to know your enemy so you can know yourself.

Know your enemy, know yourself, you can have 100 victories in 100 battles.
[ Sun Tze in The Art of War (5th century B.C classic) ]
Xref: sparky alt.politics.bush:7933 alt.politics.clinton:8741
From: bagchi@eecs.umich.edu (Ranjan Drzzzzt!  Bagchi)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: Schoolchild on Net (was Re: ... Republican Cowardice)
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:29:48 GMT
	<14076.2acc6e92@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
	<1992Oct4.013435.1@acad.drake.edu> <amvdpyw@Unify.Com>
	<1992Oct6.193609.1@acad.drake.edu>
Followup-To: misc.test,alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Organization: Recreational Creationists, Inc.

In article <1992Oct6.193609.1@acad.drake.edu> vsg001@acad.drake.edu
 tries to write coherently:
>
>In article <amvdpyw@Unify.Com>, ceb@dbrus.Unify.Com (Caroline E. Bryan) writes:
>Listen Caroline,
>this is a disscussion board

	No it's not.  Have someone read the manual and explain
it to you.

> And
>if you are so keen on impressing everyone, what's your major? Education? Women
>Studies? Envioronment? At the very least I must thank-you for carefully
>following my posts, now, do you understand them?

	Vincee-cheeks, dear heart, you really must have someone
explain the net to you.  People with .com e-mail addresses don't 
usually have "majors".  At least ones they're not finished
with.  Yourself?

	Are you sure you're old enough to vote, love?


>--
>Here endith the Lesson

	endith.  Indeed.

	I'll dream of you, dear... rj

>--
>Disclaimers. Disclaimers.
>		   VSG001@acad.drake.edu (Vince Goddard-ARCH Conservative)  
>
>
--
Ranjan Bagchi					       Ranjan.Bagchi@umich.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: vsg001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: The essence of Clinton
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:46:05 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.145611.20363@cs.wm.edu>, jcburt@cs.wm.edu (John Burton) writes:
 A very republican attitude is "if you're
> poor, its your own fault..." which also means "if you can't afford it,
> too bad..." hmmm...doesn't sound like they want to provide aid of any
> kind be it welfare, medicare, or financial aid to promising college
> students. 
WHAT???WHO THE HELL SAID THAT? NAME THE PERSON THAT YOU'RE QUOTING FROM!! Name
ONE Republican who has said that!! I want to see SOURCES!! FAX me, e-mail me,
write through the postage system, call collect! Is this the only way you can
provide meaningful disscussion, through blantant lies? Are you trying to
address the idea of 'individual responsibility'? If so, you are WAY off the
mark!  

> Just wondering, exactly how would the politically correct crowd have
> any more power under Clinton than they do under Bush? Some of the
> strongest support for Bush comes from Pat Robertson
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The politically correct crowd that Simon is referring too are the special
interest groups that control Clinton's every thought. If Clinton were to be
elected, these groups (ie the PC crowd) *would* gain considerable power,
because they have a friend in the White House. It sucks, but that's politics.
By saying that the strongest support comes from Robertson, do you mean "greatest
amount of contributions"? If so, you are mistaken. Or are you simply trying to
paint fanatical support, because then, you just have a pointless arguement.
> 
> John
Here endith the lesson

--
		VSG001@acad.drake.edu (Vince Goddard-ARCH Conservative)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.misc
From: dtiberio@csws18.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio)
Subject: Re: Poll Potpourri
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:45:27 GMT

In article <1agbjqINN27c@overload.lbl.gov> bks@s27w007.pswfs.gov (Bradley K. Sherman) writes:
>
>Some recent poll results in no particular order:
>
> Region     Clinton   Bush   Perot    ME     Sample    Dates Polled
>+--------+----------+------+-------+------+----------+--------------+
>USA            44      39     14      4.5    616 lv     9/23-9/27
>USA            45      34      9      3      897 rv     9/24
>USA            42      34     10      3      897 rv     9/27
>USA            47      28     18      3     1190 csva   9/11-9/17

>+--------+----------+------+-------+------+----------+--------------+
> Region     Clinton   Bush   Perot    ME     Sample    Dates Polled
>
>Legend
>  ME   = +/-% Margin of Error

>    --Brad Sherman

	When I read this I thought you were running for president!


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From: milliken@athena.cs.uga.edu (Brewmeister)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: No looking at your neighbors' papers....
Date: 7 Oct 92 01:00:13 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <1992Oct6.162127.3657@sci34hub.sci.com> gary@sci34hub.sci.com (Gary Heston) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.000021.14558@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> shackeld@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (david m shackelford ) vomits:
>
>>     A.  Man does not have the capacity to destroy the planet.

(David M. Shackelford is an idiot, for those who tuned in late.)

From a physics perspective, perhaps Shackels (can I call you Shackels?
Thanks.)  Perhaps Shackels is right.  Man does not have the capacity to 
destroy the planet, for man can neither destroy, nocreate matter.  Man
(sexist language not intended) does, however, have the capacity to render
the planet incapable of sustaining any form of life as we know it.  Sure.
It'll be here long after we're gone, even if nothing can live on it.

Now that we've clarified matters of semantics, fuck off (TM).  |
							     ||||__
							     |  |



>
>Famous last words......
>
>-- 
>Gary Heston    SCI Systems, Inc.  gary@sci34hub.sci.com   site admin
>The Chairman of the Board and the CFO speak for SCI. I'm neither.
>"...I looked out my window, and saw Kyle Pettys' car upside down, then I
>thought 'One of us is in real trouble'." Davey Allison, re: a 150MPH crash 


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: jason@hal.eel.ufl.edu (Jason Nadrowski)
Subject: Re: Walking down to the student center last night
Organization: University of Florida
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 00:20:06 GMT


>Please read what you've written here.  "_I_ think life is a good _choice._"
>Good for you.  That's great.  I support you for making a choice.  I'm
>being completely sincere.  In fact, I'm sure that all pro-choice people
>will support you for making your choice.  Is there anyone here who doesn't

Unfortunantly I wasn't able to paste all of the above; but it goes on to say
that we should all be able to make any choice we want.  "Let us chose" and
all of that...


My point is that some choices should be hinderend.  For example if I chose 
to disagree with you; can I then (by your own logic) chose to kill you.
To rid myself of facing controversy?  By your logic...yes!  But the answer
should be NO!

Do you see?


Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: aa680@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vern Morrison)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: College Republiclones
Date: 4 Oct 1992 06:43:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa680@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Vern Morrison)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu () says:

>Republiclones suck.

     You got THAT right.  The other day, the College Republiclones had a
table set up at the student center of Cleveland State University.  They
were passing out Bush bumper stickers (I took one, but someone ripped it
into pieces--I did) and pieces of paper festooned with lies about the
excellence of Bush and Quayle.  As I was leaving the table, a framed 8"
by 10" color photograph caught my eye.  It was a picture of Jesse Helms!
These idiots had a signed photograph of Jesse Helms at their table, as if
that were something to be PROUD of.  To call these people weasels is to
defame the carnivorous mammal.

-- 
     Vern Morrison              |    "It's the damage that we do and
     aa680@po.cwru.edu          |     never know/It's the words that
     vern@cray.csuohio.edu      |     we don't say that scare me so"
     Parma, Ohio: the 'burbs    |        --Elvis Costello
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: Clinton / Quayle's anti-Vietnam efforts
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 16:16:21 GMT


In article <1992Sep23.191620.29360@anasazi.com>, 
john@anasazi.com said:

> > But not the 13th amendment?  [David Marc Nieporent]
>
> The 13th amendment does not apply to the draft. 

Isn't that a little bit like saying that the 2nd Amendment does not apply
to guns?  Conscription sure looks like involuntary servitude to me.

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.clinton
From: mlee@esd.dl.nec.com (Michael Lee)
Subject: Re: AIDS crisis
Organization: NEC America, Engineering & Support
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:29:49 GMT

Take this AIDS topic out of all these political groups.

PLEASE !
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush