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From: jaiken@zeus.calpoly.edu (Abdual McClamwacker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Newbie BqPaintballer
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:06:15 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

Hiya, I am a newbie paintballer,  I bought a gun for fun about 1 month ago
it is a pump action but only takes co carterges (sp?) the lady at my local
shop said it would be $100.00 to adjust it to be able to use CA, but they
just just got a new gun int,  it is a spiffy looking hard plastic (I think
it is kevlar) it is a pistol that you can put CA or CO on,  it *APPEARES*
you can put on a longer barrel.  It has a little screw in the front that you
unscrew and the barrel slides out  It is alsom semi auto which turns me on
:).  Just asking for some advice think I should go for the 100.00 conversion
or cough up the extra $79.95 (with out) tax?  I am leading twards the
pistol, it mibht be nice to have 2 guns once I start playing at local
fields, I have also been ready about these paintballs you guys talk about, I
have been buying just the generic $6 for 100 that they ahve at the store
here,  How can the paintball you use help your shooting?  I'll take any
advise I can on maybe saving up for an auto gun?  But I saw a post here
recently that said semis can often times be better.  So any feed back would
be great.
email me at jaiken@nike.calpoly.edu
Thanks
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From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: Expansion chambers
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 09:13:47 GMT

In article <143.2AD5D5A1@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Todd Looney) writes:
>Hello All!
>
>I've heard of an expansion chamber for the PMI/VM's that screws inline through the bottom Co2 feeder selling for about $39.   Does anyone know anything about this?
>
>I've been looking into the Black Rain, but they sell for $179 and you have to mail your gun in to Air America for the smithing.  Getting 70-80 rounds per oz is attractive, but is it worth it if the little $39 gets similar or close results?
>
the company that makes the black rain also sells soemthing called the
terrorist, which is cheaper and screws on the back, not the bottom.


cu
-pete



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From: pab@Ingres.COM (Phil Bloemink)
Subject: Re: military surplus
Reply-To: pab@Ingres.COM (Phil Bloemink)
Organization: Ingres Division, ASK Computer Systems.
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:32:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.172656.256@ifi.unizh.ch>, kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
>
>btw, anyone have an address, fax or non 800 number for DRACO?
>

DRACOs address is:	1685 W. PINE LAKE DR.
			WEST POINT, GA 31833

However they mention under the 'Terms and Conditions' section of their
price list that "No orders can be accepted from outside the Continental
United States."

Phil Bloemink
ASK/INGRES Corp.

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From: haldin@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Silenced loaders revisited
Date: 15 Oct 92 14:07:28 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

Everybody who mailed me about this, thanks!!

Since a lot of players seems interested in these 'silenced' loaders and
have the same questions I'll go through it all again (better this time).

1) Take a (fairly large) loader and cut it open from the top downwards
   about halfway, leaving the bottom and the feed port intact. The cut
   is easy to make using a saw with a thin blade. The general idea is to
   bend apart the two 'halves' enough to be able to work inside.

2) Either trim the rubber mat directly to the shape of the loader, or
   make a model (in paper or something), using it to trim the parts into
   the right shape. Making more and smaller parts takes longer, but
   makes the glueing easier.
   Note: some guys glue only strips of rubber along the (in)side of the
   loader, just so close together that the paintballs can't touch the
   plastic between the strips.

3) Glue the rubber parts into place. If some parts are too large you can
   trim them later. Take care to leave the access to the feed port open.
   
4) Glue the loader 'halves' together.

Notes:
       We use a neoprene-like rubber mat (2mm - 3mm thick, a little
       'softer' than real neoprene) for the inside parts. The rubber
       is inherently water repellent (a good thing) and does not
       absorb water (or other 'wet' substances).

       Anything that glues rubber to plastic can be used as glue, but 
       we use silicon glue because it makes a seal between the rubber
       and the plastic, stopping paintball goo & other stuff from
       getting in between the rubber and the plastic.

       Since the idea is to 'isolate' the paintballs from the hard
       plastic side of the loader, it's important to cover all parts 
       with rubber/neoprene (even the inside of the lid).

       Some say that drilling a few holes in the sides of the loader
       further reduces sound. Personally, I'm not completely convinced.
       
As Gary ('The Hitman') pointed out to me in his mail, you don't need
this type of silenced loader in normal 'tourny-style' play. However, we
play a lot using a different game format with much larger areas with
lots of cover, and longer playing-times. In these types of games
sneaking is very important (and fun!!!) and anything that makes you more
quiet gives you an edge.
It's easy spotting a player by sound of rattling paintballs in his
loader. In a very quiet game you can even localize enemy snipers by this
sound they shift position.  

Anyway, thanks for all the feedback.

Michael Haldin
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From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: armson sight question
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:48:49 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.010113.9769@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.063510.21369@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
>>The Armson sight is that flourescent dot thing?  Being that most of these
>>sights (Red Dot, Armson et al) were originally for real guns, I would
>>suspect that the Armson would fit any gun with the standard sight rail.
>
>Well, almost all the red dot sights have the flourescent thingie :-)
>Just that the Armson uses tritium power (no need to replace batteries) and
>has no lens optical system to get scratch up (my concern).
>
>>Did said dealer have the Armson in the store?  It would be a simple matter
>>to grab a Pro-am from the display and try it.
>
>No, the dealer didn't have the Armson in stock, that's why I was going to
>order one through him.  :(
>
well folks, i just had forest hatcher of pro team products in florida on
the line. they are now sdelling the new armson sight, which is called
the prodot. it is mountable on all guns. just tell him what guin you
want it for to be 100% sure.


cu
-pete



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From: Todd.Looney@f27.n143.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Todd Looney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Expansion chambers
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:55:12 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:143/27 - Int'l Public Emerge, San Jose CA

Hello All!

I've heard of an expansion chamber for the PMI/VM's that screws inline through the bottom Co2 feeder selling for about $39.   Does anyone know anything about this?

I've been looking into the Black Rain, but they sell for $179 and you have to mail your gun in to Air America for the smithing.  Getting 70-80 rounds per oz is attractive, but is it worth it if the little $39 gets similar or close results?


Ciao for Niao
Todd Looney
Silicon Valley's APPLE DUMPLING GANG Team!


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From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: F-1 Illustrator
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:09:46 GMT

In article <1bkld8INN1nl@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> rogers@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu writes:
>Is there any documentation that comes with an F-1?
>
>	I just recently purchased a used F-1 and realized that
>all of the cool things that I know about it (cleaning and unjamming) came
>other owners and not from the manual that should have come with a new
>gun.  Anyone got one they could send me or know where I can get one?

you can get it from direct connect or i can fax it.


cu
-pete



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From: tazumar@bcsaic.boeing.com (Ronald Tazuma)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Reasonable rate of fire??
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:04:49 GMT
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

As the initiator of this topic "Reasonable rate of fire"  I would like
to interject at this time that this sport is lacking in clearly defined
rules of conduct.  As Henry Chan (I believe) pointed out, fighting
breaks out when an individual feels that they have been violated by
excessive hits or overly aggressive firing.  This behavior (taking to
violence) can easily escalate to real Shooting as I know many paintball
players are also handgun hobbiests. 

I for one am out on the paintball field much for the same reason that 
I play basketball or volleyball.  I like the team aspect (although I
only play in walk-on games) and the goal of improving ones skill in a competive
setting.  With those sports the rules are very clearly defined and you
can readily find the rule books.  Plus there are some very well known
types of conduct that everyone knows that will ~90% bring retaliation
(such as undercutting or throwing elbows).

So I guess what I'm looking for is the Paintball Conduct Rules Book.
With a sport which mimics combat closely I feel that there has to be
something to fall back on when heat of the battle is overwhelming or 
simple common sense fails us. I don't want to get into a real shootout  
over a game.

If there is such a rulebook please accept my apology for going on about
this and let me know about it.
Thanks--ront
Xref: sparky rec.sport.paintball:1298 alt.sport.paintball:1153
From: Todd Trimble
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball,alt.sport.paintball
Subject: A question or two
Date: 13 Oct 92 02:30:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: master.1bdcbeINNtu
Reply-To: trimblte@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Template Account)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: o233-05.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

OK, I've almost decided to buy a gun.  I've also almost decided to buy a  
Trracer.  My question is, what setup is preffered, Backbottle or Botom  
line?  If I'm correct, both are options.  I'd like to hear the pros and  
cons of both.

Also, I see the lowest price I can find at $120.  Is there anyone out  
there who knows of a lower price?  Thanks in advance.

--
Todd Eric Trimble
EE in Training and Paintball Enthusiast                                   
Looking for fields in T. Haute area
trimblte@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
No one ever agrees with what I say....why should Rose-Hulman? 
			 <Answer: they don't>
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From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Subject: Re: Get Off the combat thing.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:26:15 GMT

I agree with Zander that our sport *shouldn't* be compared to actual combat, 
but I also think we have to realize that it always will be. Sad but true.

Aaron Gillum
From: tj32633@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Ronin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Question: Is Medical help available at games??
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:59:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw84Iq.MI6
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I was wondering due to the recent string of articles about multiple hits,
whether or not if medical help is available at the games.  I heard once that
the referees have some medical training.  I was just wondering what training
do the referees have and/or if there are professionally trained people such as
paramedics, EMT-Is, EMT-As, or WEMT(Wilderness Emergency Medical Technicians)
on duty.


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From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Subject: Re: TIPPMANN   PRO/AM   TIPS
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:57:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.000806.14689@netcom.com> albertw@netcom.com (The Email Otaku) writes:
>
>I got the red dot sight, and the dealer threw in a Indian Spring 80(?)
>round hopper for free.  Now all I need is the Smart Parts (Is Armson any
>better?) barrel. ^_^
>
of course the armosn is better (cough cough). no, really, what it comes
down to is personal preference and what you ar eplaynig and where you
are pplaying.


cu
-pete



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From: brian@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu (Brian Louis Rogers  (BLuR))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: multiple hits (long)
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:44:23 GMT
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Karl Rehn/ UT Austin says some things that I'm not  going to include cause
it would take up a ton of space.


Yes, it has, at least for me, a lot to do with how the person
sounds after he/she has realized that they have hurt me.

If that person says "Hey, im really sorry" and seems to mean it, I
will wipe up the blood and keep playing.  If the person starts off
with "You shouldnt have..." then I am going to be pissed (well, if what it was
that I did WASN'T stupid).

In the heat of the moment, esp. with people with heavy hands and
the "hose it until it screams" mentallity.  I have a F-1 Illustrator also
and I shoot it like I would a pump because I prefer to use less paint
for the same number of kills.



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From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Subject: Re: Get off the Combat  Thing
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:43:28 GMT

In article <keqZguu00awY8EnEV2@andrew.cmu.edu> ar2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alexander
Franklin Rose) writes:

>    On the note of the Ironmen's combat techniques being borrowed from
>anything I beg to differ, none of us have ever received any military
>training, and I think that the utilization of military tactics are what
>kill a lot of teams.

War has been around much longer than paintball. How can you say that in the few
short years paintball has been around it has surpassed the efficiency level of 
the military?

Military tactics were written down and remembered for one reason. They worked. 
Nobody copies the tactics of the dead guy.

The teams that you observe utilizing military tactics and losing are not doing 
the tactics properly. I have observed that most teams who attempt to use 
military strategy are for the most part, ignorant. Big talkers with little 
skill or strategy to back themselves up.

I would wager that the Ironmen do use military tactics. You have come upon the 
tactics on your own, but if they work (which they obviously do) they have 
probably been used for decades.

Aaron Gillum
From: haldin@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Silenced mags
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:08:33 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Oct8.123932.6750@ifi.unizh.ch>, kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter) writes:
> In article <1992Oct5.190521.1@cc.helsinki.fi> haldin@cc.helsinki.fi writes:
>> 
>>which marginally improves accuracy. I also use a 200-round completely
>>silenced (from within) hopper and a Mirage Red Dot sight. 
>>
> silenced by gluing in some foam or bought with the hopper?
> 
> cu
> -pete

Yeah, we use Indian Springs 200 or Viewloader 200, cut them open and
glue 2mm (some use 3mm) thick soft rubber mat on the inside, then glue
the mags together again. The rubber mat is very pliable and doesn't
absorb water (or goo from broken paintballs).
This quiets the mag A LOT !!! more than using the socks on the
outside, there is almost no sound at all when the balls move around
inside the mag (or hopper, whatever), not even when running.
The mag gets a little heavier, you loose capacity (about 20 balls in a
200 round mag) and you have to put 2 hours work into the modification,
but if you like to play a silent game, it's definitely worth it!

We mostly use sanitary silicon glue, but any good water-resistant glue
that takes on plastic and rubber will do.

Oh! Almost forgot, it's important to put glue (quite a lot of it) around
all edges on all parts of the rubber mat, so that water, paint goo and
other stuff can't get under the rubber mat later (i.e. between the mat
and the side of the mag). Also don't use a material that absorbs
water (of course).

Happy Sniping!

Mike

  *****************************************************************
  *  TACTICS is knowing what to do when there is something to do. *
  *  STRATEGY is knowing what to do when there is nothing to do.  *
  *****************************************************************
                                               Savielly Tartakover
                                                   Polish GM
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: bjs@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Brian J. Smith)
Subject: Re: Reasonable rate of fire??
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 18:39:58 GMT

In article <36740005@hpmwmat.sr.hp.com> mikep@hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (Mike Powell) writes:
>	
>	What's wrong with being lit up?  
1. It hurts.....
>	Really...
2. Really!!
>	Could someone describe why it is such a terrible thing for me?
3.  See #1
>	I've never been lit up myself.... but taking single hits has
>	been "nothin'"  so if I take ten shots....  10 X 'nothin' is
>	still 'nothin'.  Well, ok.  There's more paint.  But more
>	pain?  
4. If you have never been hit with a shot that hurts, then you really cannot
understand why a person would get angry.  I have had maybe 5 bruises on the
skin where the ball hit me in the camos that lasted 2 weeks.  I got hit in
the hand twice once that drew blood.  Broke the skin.  (got gloves after that)
>	I know why it would not be desirable.
5. Then why ask ?
>	I would like to know why it is (apparently) such a big deal.
6. See #1 & #3 
>	I was actually considering designing a game where constant/multiple
>	hits were PART of the game... where no one is _out_.  You just
>	use paint impacts to "convince" people to 'back-off'.  The more
>	paint they eat, the more they are convinced :-).
7. Who wins, I don't know how long you play during a day but my camos are
covered with sweat, completely soaked after one 45 min game.  Given I live
in Florida and sweat alot.  One reason I love playing is that I have the 
greatest night of sleep the day after playing all week.  I am completely
wasted after a day of playing.


This is not a flame.... it may look like it but if you never have been "lit-up"
then wait till ya do.  These days guns can stay in at speeds of 290fps without
going hot. and even at rapid fire stay at 270fps  these shots will hurt.  I got
hit by a guy in the face that had a gun the was shooting at 340fps, I have a
scar on my face that will last the rest of my life from that ONE shot.  

Bjs
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From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: inexpensive fill station
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:18:19 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC


Not to long ago there was a thread on bulk CO2 tanks and fill stations.  I 
mentioned that the cheapest set-up I seen anyone safely get away was to use the
fill adapter nut that use to come with the SL-68.  In a new Tippmann accessory
promotion sheet I saw the Bulk tank fill adapter (an aluminium/steel nut with
a rubber washer) being offered again and only for a mere $5.  For $5.95 extra
you can a cylinder valve depresser attachment (note; you can't bleed and fill
at the same time, you must take off the depresser to fill).  Granted for this
price and set-up you don't have the luxuries and ease of operation of the more
expensive $50 dollar manifold systems but so far its the least expensive set-up
I have seen.  BTW you can't use a hanging scale to monitor the fill but use a
a postal-like scale to verify tank weight before and after fill.

You can call up Tippmann Pneumatics to order at
(219) 749-6022
Also if you have a Pro-Am you can order the older aluminium forearms and tank
O-rings cheaper than most mail order houses.

-- 
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space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

HenryC@Panix.Com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: wampner@cs.ucf.edu (Eric Wampner)
Subject: Re: Reasonable rate of fire??
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:32:20 GMT

>If you like, I would be more than happy to demontrate on your person (after
>proper safety attire has been worn; goggles, wrap-around mask, cup) with a
>fast triggered semi-auto.
>Point is paintball shots aren't 'nothin'.  Paintball shots always have the 
>capacity to cause serious injury.  Just because you never had experienced
>bruising shot doesn't mean all hits are nothing.  The fact is the majority

I work at a field, the owner was playing a game last saturday, while 
"manuevering under fire" (running like hell) he came to be hit by at
least five paintball, he went down hard as one of them hit in the back
of the head. he was unconsious for about 10 secs, and when he woke up
his first thought was that he was blind. After we wiped the paint off of
his goggles and helped him off the field, he was fine. 

Point Is. Paintballs are dangerous. He was wearing JT Snappers, which 
are approved for paintball, being that they 1) did not allow paint
into the goggle and 2) did not come off of his head even after a roll
 through dirt.

We have a three shot rule for overkill, if one person shoots someone more
than three times, they are out. (this was before this incident). While
this is obviously not the easiest thing to enforce, with the number of
new players which use our field, we feel it is a neccesary thing to
make sure everyone goes home with a smile on their face (and a minimum
number of limps).

I invite comment on this rule, we have had quite a few "discussions"
about it, and would like to improve it.

Eric Wampner
wampner@acme.ucf.edu