HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Hiding your bike to avoid airline charges
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:57:35 GMT
Reply-To: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer

In article <1992Apr8.215605.10867@husc3.harvard.edu> kim39@husc8.harvard.edu (John Kim) writes:
>lally@beta.lanl.gov (Bryan R. Lally) writes:

Many years ago I sorted for UPS, you should all know someone who worked
there in any city with a center.  The work was fast paced, but no one
tried to damage packages.  Packages travel around the building on
conveyor belts, picture traffic jams with the roadway moving inexorably
into the stoplights.

>>My experience with UPS doesn't bode well ...  I sent my bike from
>>case (a PedalPack).  It took 3 days (OK so far).  UPS was able to tear
>>off and lose the ~3" seatbelt webbing straps that surround the case to

Straps are just food for the rollers.  If a strap end catches anywhere,
the box will be holding back a thousand pounds of packages in seconds.

>6) I have never heard of UPS damaging any major stuff which was
>	new, insured, shipped in standard-sized original company boxes
>	by a big client of UPS and obviously fragile and/or
>	valuable.

Few of us paid any attention to the sender, or to FRAGILE labels.  
I would sort an entire trailer in less than an hour; reading address
labels at that pace challenges most of us.

>7) sometimes when they unload boxes form the trucks, the UPS guys
>	will just drop them from chest height onto the ground.

The trucks have rollers built in, packages are almost never dropped, but
a belt jam might start spilling packages from a 20' high belt.

>8) IF you ship UPS, pack carefully, write FRAGILE in inch-high

Waste of ink.  This is bulk processing for everything of standard size.
You want special handling, make it 10' long.

Ideally, make your package the shape of a football, and cover it with
Teflon or some other slippery coating.  It will squirt out of most jams.

-- 
That is the land of lost content,       Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
  I see it shining plain,
The happy highways where I went
  And cannot come again               AE Housman
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: Question: drop bars on MTB (revisited)
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:09:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.175651.6274@novell.com> chandler@wc.novell.com
(Mark Chandler) is shifty: 
>Here are some shifting options for drop bars on mountain bikes;
>
>SHIMANO
>
>...
>
>SUNTOUR
>
>Bar-Ends (aka Bar-Cons): These are available in either 6 or 7-speed
>versions.  ...

my SunTour Accu Shift Plus has a "choice" indicator for 7 or 8-speed.
in all, I have grown accustomed to them, like may be next.

They do get accidentally shifted while moving the bike around, etc.
this has interesting results when I remount and ride and ooops! shift. 

>Mark Chandler

-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
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From: zzz@erg.sri.com (Michael J. Konopik)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:50:18 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Distribution: na
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

In article <1992Apr8.210303.22395@cs.ucla.edu> coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman) writes:
>[interpretation of the word "accident"]
>
>I think that "accident" used to mean what we now mean when we think of an "act
>of God", but has come to be applied to almost any incident which the
>responsible party/parties has come to regret afterwards.  It seems to be a way
>of evading responsibility.

I think you're overcomplicating it by trying to define it in sociological
terms.  An accident is quite simply any event that is an unforeseen or
unintended result of one's behavior.  There are many causes of accidents,
and negligence is certainly one of the main ones.

Avoiding personal responsibility HAS become the new American Way; I've been
preaching that for years now.  However, keep in mind that every action one
takes in life entails some risk.  And when the odds come up short - and
something bad results - then claiming that it was an accident is more of a
way to convey a lack of malice than to avoid responsibility.  When people
want to avoid taking responsibility for a mishap, they usually blame it on
somebody else, not on the law of averages or fate.

Incidents such as that dust storm pileup last fall are honest-to-goodness
tragedies, where the tragic flaws at fault include impatience and stupidity.
But unless you can demonstrate a deliberate hand, they're still accidents.

				   -Mike

PS: Sorry if this thread has gotten more pertinent to philosophy than to
    driving.  But the *attitude* of drivers is still relevant to driving.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.skiing
From: bannan@convex.com (Bill Bannan)
Subject: Bike&Ski at Tuckermans Ravine
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 13:53:32 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


  I've been considering the feasibility of doing a combination 
Bike & Ski trip into Tuckermans Ravine sometime later this spring.
The general idea is that I would bike up until I reach the snow,
lock the bike to a tree and continue on skis. I've biked most of the
gaps in Vermont and a few good hills in the Adirondacks also I've been
up the Tuckerman's Ravine trail on skis&skins before so I think I'm
up to it, however I have 3 questions that I need to have answered before
I attempt this. One is, How bikable is the Tuckermans ravine trail?
I've only seen it when it was under a foot or more of snow so if its
extremely rocky I'd be hesitant to do this. The other question is
are there many points where one could get through (bushwack?) from 
the Tuckerman trail to the Sherburne (sp?) ski trail? Since your
suppossed to go up one & down the other I would want to leave the bike
near a good crossover point, if there is one. And of coarse I would
have to time this right to get the optimum mix of good biking conditions
on the trail up and good skiing on the headwall. Getting the skis,poles,
etc. on the bike is not a problem, it looks a little odd ( especially to
my neighbors ) but it works quite well.               
  Suggestions, comments & ridicule are all welcome!
-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
Bill Bannan * bannan@convex.com * Albany NY office of Convex Computer Corp
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From: rjc@devo.unify.com (Ronald Cole)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:35:10 GMT
	<peercy.702244548@dopey.crhc.uiuc.edu>
	<1992Apr2.222902.8645@menudo.uh.edu>
Distribution: na
Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, California

In article <1992Apr2.222902.8645@menudo.uh.edu> don@menudo.uh.edu (Duck aka D. Harper) writes:
   I again charge you to give me some evidence as to these being rights,
   and not your unsuported logic.  Then, we can go on our merry way and
   turn this back to rec.motheads, not talk.polibullsh*t. :-)

I posted these several days ago...  but for your benefit, here they
are again:

"The right of the citizen to drive on a public street with freedom
 from police interference, unless he is engaged in suspicious conduct
 associated in some manner with criminality is a fundamental
 constitutional right which must be protected by the courts" - People
 v. Horton 14 Cal App 3rd 667 (1971)

"The right to travel on the public highways is a constitutional
 right." - Teche Lines v. Danforth, Miss. 12 So 2d 784, 787

"Highways are for the use of the traveling public, and all have the
 right to use them in a reasonable and proper manner; the use thereof
 is an inalienable right of every citizen." - Escobedo v. State 35 C2d
 870 in 8 Cal jur 3d p.27

"Constitutionally protected liberty includes...the right to travel..."
 as quoted in 13 Cal Jur 3d p.416

"The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to
 transport his property thereon, by horse-drawn carriage, wagon, or
 automobile is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or
 prohibited at will, but a common right which he has under his right to
 life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." - Slusher v. Safety
 Coach Transit Co., 229 Ky 731, 17 SW2d 1012, and affirmed by the
 Supreme Court in Thompson v. Smith 154 S.E. 579.

"Operation of a motor vehicle upon public streets and highways is not
 a mere privilege but is a right or liberty protected by the guarantees
 of Federal and State constitutions." - Adams v. City of Pocatello 416
 P2d 46

--
Ronald Cole           +----------------------+  internet: rjc@unify.com
Software Engineer II  | This space for rent. |  uucp:     uunet!unify!rjc
Unify Corporation     +----------------------+  voice:    +1 916 928 6238
          "THE BILL OF RIGHTS --- Void where prohibited by law"
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: A Nice Word for Huffy
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:39:35 GMT

rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin) writes:
>Just a nice word for Huffy: their parts department is cheap
>and efficient.

>Twice now I've gotten replacement cranksets and parts within a
>couple days by calling the factory, replacing bearings and cones
>that wore out after about 10,000 miles.

>The bill was never over $25.

>The bikes are sturdy, and nobody steals them. They're not real
>fast, but you wanted a workout, right?

I expect there'll be a ga-zillion flames posted on this one, mostly
from folks who aren't happy unless you've spent mega-hundreds on
replacement Campy or Shimano or whatever & suffered the months of
waiting for them.  So remember, after all the money & waiting, they
don't have the price of an ice cream cone afterwards (which doesn't
really matter since Real Cyclists (tm) don't eat ice cream) after all
is said & done.

It takes a real Fred to worry about what you're riding rather than to
appreciate the fact that you are riding!

-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com                           /  <>
<>                 <>   (this *often* works)       __o      o   ,______/o  <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,  -\<,     <\   ,__/   >   <>
<>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks      O/ O  __ /__,       /    <>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: sims@possum.den.mmc.com (John Sims)
Subject: Sleeping Toes
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group, Denver
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:29:33 GMT

Greetings wreck.bikers,
	Last week I did my first 25 miler with a friend, which was a
	wonderful ride.  However, at about the 15 mile point, both of us
	had problems with our toes going to sleep on us.  Both of us
	were using toe clips, with rigid sole biking shoes.  When we
	stopped for a break, everything was OK again, but when we
	started pulling hard going up a dam, we had the problem again,
	but not so bad this time.

	Any recommendations as to what causes this and how to prevent or
	cope with it?

	Thanks in advance,
	John Sims
-- 
John Sims    sims@pogo.den.mmc.com
"Life is much too serious a matter to be taken too seriously"  
																								 Goethe (I think)
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: webel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Baird Webel)
Subject: Riding/racing in DC/Georgetown????
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305 USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 02:31:44 GMT

I think I am headed to Georgetown for graduate school and am
interested in hearing about what the training/racing is like in the DC
area.  I am particularly interested in knowing if Georgetown has a
collegiate cycling team, and if so, how extensive the program is.
I've heard that collegiate cycling is not near as big on the east
coast, which I can believe given the not quite so wonderful weather.
Any other insights into Georgetown would be welcome as well.

Thanks for any replies, 

Baird Webel
(webel@leland.stanford.edu)
From: ampe@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.e.ampe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: pedaling efficency
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:45:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Apr9.154545.18042
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Andover, MA

In article <70060@ut-emx.uucp> ifai645@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Paul C. Janzen) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.193610.21143@ico.isc.com> bobb@ico.isc.com (Bob Bundy) writes:
>>position at that point.  Furthermore, he cites a study by Dr. Edward
>>Coyle at the University of Texas where it was found that the best time
>>trialists pulled up less on the back stroke and delivered more
>>peak power on the down stroke.
>[...]
>>to this group a few months ago.)  Further, other measurements have shown
>>that top racers generate nearly all of their power during the down
>>stroke.  Voluminous citations of advice from bicyclists and coaches
>>aren't going to carry the day when it runs contrary to actual measurement
>>and observation.  
>
>I am not, and will not, be convinced, until someone shows me a study
>in which a load pedal (that's what Coyle's device for measuring force
>at points in a stroke is calld) is used in A REAL RACE, with real
>climbing and sprinting. I'll admit that probably 90% of the time, I
>don't pull up, but when I'm climbing or sprinting, I am absolutely
>sure that I do, and I've got the bruises on the tops of my feet to
>prove it. Races and ergometers just aren't the same.

As far as I can tell, there is no disagreement here.  I have not heard
Jobst, Leonard Zinn, or anyone else claim that no one ever pulls up on
the pedal.  Certainly, no one would dispute that in certain
situations, such as jumping in a big gear or trying to crank a big
gear over the top of a hill, it is possible and benificial to pull up
on the pedal for a short period of time.  What Jobst and others are
disputing are the claims of Greg LeMond, Alexi Grewal, and others,
that they are pulling back or up on the pedals all the time.  No one
disputes that these racers think that they are pulling back or up on
the pedal, and it is ceratinly possible, as Greg LeMond claims, that
pedaling in this style improves efficiency.  The only issue is whether
there is in fact any actual upward or backward force generated by
these cyclists as part of their normal pedal stroke, and the answer,
as scientifically measured, is no.

John_Ampe@att.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: anselmo-ed@cs.yale.edu (Ed Anselmo)
Subject: Re: TDF on FOX Network LIVE!
Organization: Yale University, Dept. of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
	<MOORE.92Apr6073516@defmacro.cs.utah.edu>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:46:10 GMT

> [ April Fools Day jokes in VeloNews ]

All the jokes were on pages dated April 1, 1992 (vs. April 6, 1992 for
the rest of the issue).
-- 
Ed Anselmo   anselmo-ed@cs.yale.edu   {harvard,cmcl2}!yale!anselmo-ed
From: bob@netxcom.netx.com (Robert Thralls)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: RE: Why Shave Legs?
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:14:08 GMT
Organization: NetExpress Inc., Vienna, VA, USA

>>The main reason to shave you legs id not for aerodynamics but
>>for medical reasons.  If you crash and get a large road
>
>Then why not shave your arms too ?
>

Well, I think you are only partially correct, perhaps the best *excuse*
for shaving your legs, besides medical purposes, has to be for swimming.
Most people serious enough to shave their legs are *bi* or tri athletes.
The shaving of the legs can reduce *drag*.

Ok, besides the drivel here, shaving your legs is a good idea.
I would, however, never shave my arms, because one looses the *feel* of the 
water (and wind), and arms play a large role in equilibrium as well as 
sense of direction. Definately shave your pits.

bob.
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From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kill a Biker, Go to Jail. NOT!!!
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:15:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <peercy.702174644@dopey.crhc.uiuc.edu>, peercy@crhc.uiuc.edu (Mike Peercy) writes:
> don@menudo.uh.edu (Duck aka D. Harper) writes:
# | In the Amendments, eight specific rights are listed, with the right to
# | vote being mentioned a few time.  Nowhere is the `right to drive' listed
# | in the Consitution or the Amendments.  Thus, it is a privilage granted
# | to us by the State, free for them to remove at will.  And you cannot say
# | it is not there because we did not invent cars until year XXXX, the last
# | Amendment was ratified in 1971, well after I was in my first car
# | accident. :-)
# 
# You forgot (what should be) the most important of the amendments:
# 
#                             AMENDMENT IX
#     The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not
#     be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
# 
# Don't ever say that, because a right isn't listed in the Constitution,
# it must therefore be a privilege given by the state.  Nowhere in the
# Constitution is mentioned the right to work, to eat, to seek medical
# care, to get married, to have sex, to give birth, to walk, to bike,
# to breathe....  Does this mean all of these are privileges granted
# by the State, free for them to remove at will?
# 
# Mike Peercy

It's worthwhile to read the ratification debates and pamphlets
associated with ratification of the Constitution.  Many of the
Antifederalists pointed to the lack of protections for various
rights in the Constitution.  The response of the Federalists was
to assert that since only enumerated powers were granted to the
Federal Government, that this wasn't a problem -- all rights were
retained by the states, or people.  (Exactly who retained which,
of course, is a mess).

One of the satirical responses of the Federalists to the Antifederalist
concerns (which turned out to be right on the money) was to point out
that there was no guarantee of a right to eat, or a right to be buried.
Unfortunately, the D. Harper's of the world are reminders that even
with enumerated powers, and catch-alls like Amendment IX to reserve
the rest of our rights, the statist tendencies eventually win.

A revolution every generation was regarded as beneficial by Jefferson;
it's beginning to look like it was utterly essential, and we are
several generations overdue.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
"The mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a
favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace
of God." -- Thomas Jefferson
From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: 'Adult' one-speeds?
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:29:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcso.16190233
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.bicycles, 1k1mgm@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Christopher Gunn) writes:

> Woman friend is seeking a bicycle for mild exercise/short recreational/
> social riding.  We've had *15 or 20* hours of discussion on this issue
> and she *insists* that she wants a one-speed, coaster-brake bike, women's
> frame if possible.  Frame and brake-type are negotiable, but absence
> of gear-shifting is *not*, she says.

You seem to have gone to some lengths to avoid telling why she has this phobia
about shifting.  It looks like you are going to have a hard time finding
exactly what you want, and end up paying more to NOT have >1 gear.

What were her reasons for not wanting shifting?  I mean, it's not like anyone
actually forces you to shift - you could probably even disable the shifter,
thus locking the bike into one gear.  Does she think the mere presence of a
derailleur increases the "mean time between failures" of the bike?  This may
indeed be the case, but surely the kind of one-speed bike you'd probably end up
with would have a much higher MTBF than a "real" bike, anyhow.

--------------
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
From: vince@nsg.sgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: cycling in Indonesia
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:10:18 GMT
Organization: Nihon Silicon Graphics, Japan
Originator: vince@sushi.nsg.sgi.com

From: vince@nsg.sgi.com 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: cycling in Indonesia
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: Nihon Silicon Graphics, Japan
Keywords: 

i am interested in cycling around many of the islands of Indonesia;
Java, Bali, Sumatra, etc.

Can anyone of world touring experience tell me if this is a good idea?
i will be taking a mountain bike.

thanks,
vince
From: eonu11@castle.ed.ac.uk (R Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: QR seat posts ... thieves' paradise
Date: 13 Apr 92 06:11:42 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

The method I use to prevent my seat and post from being stolen, is to
get a bike cable that has a small loop at each end, thread one end
through the rail of the saddle, and then through the loop at the other
end, "lassooing" the seat rail. Then coil it around your seat post and
secure the loose loop by hooking it aroung you QR lever.

When you lock your bike, just thread the coil through front and back
wheels (as they are probably Qr as well), and secure the loose loop into
your U-lock (which should be around the frame and an immovable object).

This is fairly safe. I say "fairly", because someone once managed to
defeat my efforts by breaking the U-lock.

The cables usually cost about $8-$10, or 5-6 pounds, and they allow you
to secure your wheels as well.

Ronan
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: garrick@screech.owlnet.rice.edu (Garrick F. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Cannondale 3.0 w/8-speed
Organization: Rice University Cycling Team
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 03:44:25 GMT


Forgive me for adding to this discussion so late, but it just so happens
that when I tighten the rear QR on MY 1991 3.0-series SR 800 (Ultegra), 
the dropouts are actually moved INWARDS by a couple of millimeters.
So with 8-speed, the same degree of deformation would be imposed.

I shan't speculate on the intentionality of this fact, and I don't want
this to become a thread on Cannondale frame misalighments/poor tolerances.
It just seems to me that 4mm just isn't that much at the end of a 35cm (???)
chainstay.

Besides, why would a Successful Business such as Shimano sell such pricey
items as STI in aftermarket form if it wasn't possible to retrofit them?

Oops, I forgot...These are the same folks who INSIST that we must all use
Hyperglide chains.  Hah!

Flex your metal!


Garrick Mitchell
President, Rice U. Cycling Team
garrick@owlnet.rice.edu
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From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,rec.autos.driving,ca.driving,rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Car vs Cycle vs Bike vs Ped--The Main Point
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:49:32 GMT
Organization: Unocal Corporation, Anaheim, California
Originator: stgprao@xing

In article <1992Apr5.072018.14154@cs.ucla.edu> coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman) writes:
>I'm not claiming that, say, bicyclists are better about obeying traffic laws
>than drivers.  Though I doubt it, maybe they are worse.  It's irrelevant.  The

Being both an avid driver and bicyclist I would say driver compliance with
laws is much higher than bicyclists, I'd say 90% to 25%, especially for basic
things like observing stop signs, staying on the correct side of the road,
having night lights on the vehicle.  Non-compliance of bicyclist mainly
hurts the bicyclist.  They appear in an unexpected place and are hit.  Sad.