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From: cyeh@leibniz.uwaterloo.ca (^C. Yeh (Woody))
Subject: Re: Existence of God
Keywords: Existence of God
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 16:47:58 GMT

In article <6572@balrog.ctron.com> chang@sleepy.ctron.com (Fong-chi Chang) writes:
>
>[contents deleted]
>
>Shouldn't this be posted in soc.religion? Why is it here?

	Well. Religion is also a part of Taiwanese culture. Since that
	article mentions Buddhism, I think it is appropreate to post it
	in this news group. Also, that article is for those people who
	don't believe in God. It wouldn't make sence if posted in
	alt.religion.

	Since there is a political news group for Chinese, there are
	still tons of political talk here. Before you object this kind
	of article appears in this news group, please think about those
	political talks.
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From: wity@iastate.edu (Senopati Pamungkas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Indonesian, Chinese and Raja
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:49:12 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <1993Jan27.035140.26579@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li) writes:
>
>I just realised Mr. Iunn also posted his article on soc.culture.indonesia.
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is that a typo, or do we really have soc.culture.indonesia ???
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From: chuan@carson.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Those Typical Taiwanese
Date: 21 Jan 1993 08:35:31 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

In article <16B5D333.RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu writes:
>Let me also add one story (it actually means fact, don't take it literally)
> 
>    *** The Story of One Oversea Taiwanese Student Giving Advice ***
>    *** to Other Oversea Students on How to Save Money in US     ***
> 
>About three to four years ago, one student put an article on the "Chong Yang
>Daily ?" (a KMT partisan newspaper) about ways of saving money in US as an
>oversea student.  He gave three ways.  Two of them are:
> 
>(1) when you go to fast food restaurants, pick up as many plastic knifes and
>    folks and napkins you can for use at home.
> 
>(2) Delay bill payments such as hospital bill for as long as possible.  He was
>    able to delay one for more than half a year (if remember correctly) without
>    getting any fine.
> 
>My mind became so sick after reading this article.  Just what kind of an editor
>back at your home country would allow the giving of such disgusting advice?
>Obviuosly, the editor thought (1) and (2) were acceptable.  Another article
>appeared a few days later, apparently trying to point out (1) and (2) are
>not decent ways of saving money.
>                              -- not a mainlander.

You sure have a weak mind ("stomach"), Raja!

I won't comment on the case (1), which is too cheap and not
practical for most people anyway (oops, I just commented!).

But what is wrong with case (2)?  I, and I believe many people, do it
all the time.  Take Visa card for example, which most people can
relate, I always pay my bill just a day before the deadline.  Of
course, I have to rely on the good o' US mail system in order to beat
the deadline.  Didn't you say he didn't get any fine?  Apparently he
was doing fine.  Why was your mind sick about that?

There are many ways to save money while living in the US.  The 2 ways
suggested above won't save much, except: case (1), you are going to
have a big party at home and you need alot of plastic-wares; case (2),
the bill (say, medical) is huge and you can actually get some
interests from it by not pay the bill too soon (but of course you
don't want to be late since the panalty fee will certainly give your
account a negative net).

How about let's make suggestions on the saving right here?  Let me start:

1) Get no-annual fee credit cards (but don't abuse them and pay on-time).
2) Cook at home (almost a must to save money).
3) Buy from garage-sales.
4) Don't buy a car, take bus.

Sorry, can't think any more since I myself violate all of these rules.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: hch@CCCA.NCTU.edu.tw (Huang Chih-Hsien)
Subject: Re: Does anyone know?
Organization: National Chiao Tung University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:02:50 GMT

LU YEN (luyen@ecf.toronto.edu) wrote:
:  Does anyone know the e-mail address for the National Chengkung University
:  in Tainan, Taiwan?

Try "postmaster@mail.ncku.edu.tw".

All the best,
--
Huang, Chih-Hsien
Campus Computer Communication Association Vice President
TWNEWS Moderator, NCTUCCCA.edu.tw Anonymous FTP Archives Maintainer
National Chiao Tung University, Hsinchu, Taiwan
hch@NCTUCCCA.edu.tw
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: A letter from legislator Chu
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:13:17 GMT


In article <1993Jan26.151851.12473@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes...
> 
>	Well, yes, I think he deserves credits in changing the
>	political environment in Taiwan. But, I also feel that
>	he has also became a roadblock in contining to move
>	forward. He is the main reason in slowing political reform
>	in his own party and hence the reform in government (his
>	stand on presidential election certainly has my agreement).
>	I think he has to be put on pressure to improve further.

I think Lee has the best opportunity to reform KMT because of his popularity.
I was disappointed Lee became KMT chairman without going through the general 
vote. I think his people, eg, the current General Secretary Soong, have 
provided bad advice might due to lack of confidence at that time. I hope he 
can reform KMT in his remaining term and has courage to do what he thinks is 
right. He should be more aggressive and creative.

I admire Lee's effort to break BSR/WSR barrier in politics. I heard he is 
going to nominate Soong as next Taiwan governor. BSR can be defense minister 
and WSR can be Taiwan governor so that this factor will not be the major 
consideration for any position in the future.

>	It is difficult for me to forget what may happen to Taiwan
>	if Lee had fatal heart stroked soon after his presidency.
>	His vice president is not even Dan Quayl, together with a
>	military general as the Premier in an unstable environment,
>	Taiwan may just break down. He may be under Da4 Lao3s'
>	pressure in making these decisions (I disagree though, since
>	he had a commanding supports from general public then), but he
>	did not put Taiwan's wellfare first IMO. 

I was not impressed with the choice of Hau and another Lee. I dont know what 
was in Lee's mind.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (neptune)
Subject: Re: Who can be the President of ROC?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:53:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.134031.10845@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> hhwu@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (eric.wu) writes:
>
>While we are talking about how the President is doing his 
>job, maybe we can take one step further.  What do you want 
>the President to do in his job?  Whom will you vote for if 
>we can vote for our own President tomorrow?
>
>I can make up a wish list quickly but I have a hard time 
>identifying a candidate.  Am I the only one having this 
>problem?
>
>Eric


I think someone who understands the value of technology
and education would be a good choice.

I think the president of Tatung corporation (I can not remember
his name ( Dr. T.S. Lin?)) would be a good candidate.






Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au (Daniel Yuen)
Subject: Re: cks airport is great?
Organization: BHP Steel, Sheet & Coil, Research & Technology Centre
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 06:45:40 GMT

scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve C. Chen!!!) writes:

>                                       ...... I heard the Singapore Int'l
>Airport is the BEST in the world...does anyone know what it's like?

Yes, Singapore's Int'l Airport gets my vote (among the world's best ....
at least until the new Hong Kong airport is built :-) )

--
Cheers.
Daniel Yuen (yuen@bhprtc.scpd.oz.au)
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From: chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,alt.culture.indonesia
Subject: Re: Indonesian, Chinese and Raja
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:28:55 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: australorp.engin.umich.edu
Originator: chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu


In article <1k4nsgINNq4m@pollux.usc.edu>, mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes:
> In article <16B5EFC66.RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> RAJA@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu 
> writes:
> > 
> >I    A M    A    C H I N E S E (I just said it but not so proudly because I'm
> >                                helplessly associated with people like you)
> 
> 
> I once knew a person who is from Indonesia and is ethnically Chinese.
> Despite the fact that he was born and raised in Indonesia, he is 
> extremely Chinese chauvinistic and anti-Taiwan-Independence.
> 
> I once told him that since he was born and raised in Indonesia,
> I consider him Indonesian.   Supprisingly, he was very angry
> and told me that my claim is an insult to him.  I, personally,
> consider his attitue is an insult to the country he is from.
> 
> P.S.  According to my understanding "Raja" means "King" in Indonesian.
>       Correct me if I am wrong.


	Intereting.  I have many Indonesian friends who are ethnically
Chinese.  They share the same attitute as the person described above.
Besides that they are more friendly to Taiwanese, they have never seen
themselves as indonesian.  Because they have never been considered
indonesians by the native Indonesians.  And they are subjected to 
racial discriminations and attacks in Indonesia.  It does make sense why
they felt so Chinese.  They are also among the economic elite of the 
Indonesian population and it does not sit well with the natives also.

- C. H. Yang
From: jin@gandalf.rutgers.edu (GJ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Taiwan Rich??? Escape in Tax?
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:29:24 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

cy_tsai@csd.uwe.ac.uk (CY Tsai) writes:

>so I think that Taiwan GDP should be more than US$15,000..........

If my memory serves me right, there was an artical in "the Economists" 
 mentioned that Taiwan has the world's largest underground economy. If the 
underground economy is counted, the GDP should be a lot more than $10,000.

Sadly, it's easier for the rich to dodge the tax than salary workers. 
Unless salary workers have more than one income, it's not so easy to hide 
their incomes because salary are usually pre-taxed. I guess it's
common to have more than one income.  Just hope more improvement to the tax
 system to have more justice in my mother land.

Darn! I should have bought one apartment in Taipei before I came here to study.
I can easily buy a good house here but it would cost 5 times more in Taipei.
How can I afford to live in Taipei? Maybe I should listen to an advice from
an actress who asked me if I was interested in show business. If I did, I 
might have been the Andy Lau of Taiwan.



 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: hsiwang@usc.edu (Hsi-Chun Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: About the "ROC (Taiwan) Job Information System"
Date: 23 Jan 1993 22:40:39 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

I have logged in the "Taiwan Job Information System" one time, and
found it provides a lot of exciting informations.  However, for
students not in New York area, they will pay the long distance
telephone charge for each searching.  I have checked with the Cultural
Divission of CCNAA in Los Angeles and they will NOT provide the
similar service in the near future.  Even every Cultural Divission
Office install the "Taiwan Job Information System", I think most of
the students still need dail the long distance phone call to get
the informations.

I am wondering that is it possible for soc.culture.taiwan netters in
New York areas to login the "Taiwan Job Information System" and
download the information to the PC and then post in the
soc.culture.taiwan.  If it can be done, it will save a lot of money
for overseas Taiwanese students all over the world.  By the way, the
soc.culture.taiwan will attract much more readers.

The BBS phone number: 212-373-1879 
For informations and questions: 212-373-1809 Cultural Divission of
CCNAA in New York.
From: yl01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Yi-Der Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: RE: Those Typical Taiwanese
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:08:21 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1993Jan23.010240.22609@oakhill.sps.mot.com>, jackw@oakhill.sps.mot.c
om (Jack Wu) writes:
>In article <1jpcabINNk0f@shelley.u.washington.edu> Chung-Ho Chen writes:
>>I have a feeling that RAJA is a Taiwanese.  He most likely just
>>escaped from " Long Fa Tong". Believe it or not.
>
>I think you are right. My first thought was that he just escaped
>from "Yuan San Dong Woo Yuan" to entertain us. But you know
>he is much better than that.
>
>Why don't we express our best friendship to welcome him to join
>this group. Greeting cards, fire crackers are always best gifts
>to welcome a new friend. I also wish him a very best
>"New Chicken Year".
>
>Cheer,
>
>
>
>
>Jack Wu
>
Yes, it's great to hear the voice from nowhere.  Just like the Commander Data
in Star Trek(TNG), :-8, "it'ssss interesting".  Especially, I like his
hide-and-seek game.  You see, everyone including those from Singapore, HK,
PRC,ROC, Korea, Japan is involved. Do I miss anybody here? :-), :-)

What's next?  :-(

-- 
-ydl

yl01@ns1.cc.Lehigh.edu
From: chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: 16 bit -> 32 bit (was Re: Those Typical Taiwanese)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 15:06:10 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: australorp.engin.umich.edu
Originator: chyang@australorp.engin.umich.edu


In article <1jv0auINN2cl@tamsun.tamu.edu>, x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang) writes:
> In article <1jsdeeINNlgq@fido.asd.sgi.com> jyu@sleepy.mti.sgi.com (James Yu) writes:
> >I think you'd better understand more about the computer industry before
> >making a foolish comment like that.  In theory, changing the word size
> >of 
> >a machine from 16 to 32 bits is nothing more than widening the
> >datapaths.
> 32 bit machines were long existing before PC even got its conception.
> As I understand, the first PC was 8 bit(8086) then 16 bit (80286) then
> 80386(32 bit). Intel made the first 32 bit PC chip and according to
> Compaq, its the FIRST company to produce a 80386 machine. Maybe Compaq
> did not know that Taiwan was first.
> 
> 

	I guess it has got to be the bus width.  Because every 386DX has
a 32 bit data path.  Maybe a company in Taiwan made a 386 machine with
a 32 bit bus.   Or maybe it was a company from Taiwan that first mass
marketed a machine with 32-bit bus.  Perhaps the EISA bus?  

	Well, the original post didn't make too much sense anyway.

- C. H. Yang
From: guowei@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Guo Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: China's GNP
Date: 22 Jan 1993 06:31:37 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Distribution: world
Reply-To: guowei@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Guo Wei)
NNTP-Posting-Host: doc.cc.utexas.edu
Originator: guowei@doc.cc.utexas.edu

     The following article appeared on The Korea Herald, January 7, 1993. One
interesting point is that it gives an estimate of China's real GNP per capita
by Korea government, which is very close to my previous posted estimate ($1,0
00 to $2,000)

	   CHINA'S ECONOMIC TAKEOFF WORRIES BUSINESS LEADERS

     Korean business leaders are increasingly worried by China's economic
takeoff, noting that the Chinese economy has grown faster and started to 
inflict a heavier impact on the Korean economy, than they expected earlier.

     "China's rapid economic growth is having a heavy impact on the Korean
economy, threatening the survival of medium- and small-sized companies here,"
Choi Tai-sup, president of Hankuk Glass Industry Co., told a leadship meeting
of the Federation of Korean Industirs (FKI) Tuesday.

     "All of the Chinese businessmen I meet say they regard Korea as the most
promising market for their exports," he said, adding that China is buying high-
quality heavy machinery to strengthen its manufacturing industry.

     "If China's manufacturing industry continued to develop at its current
speed, small Korea companies would be hit hard in the not-too-distant future,
he told the meeting.

     FKI Chairman Yoo Chang-soon said in August last year that the existence
of a "politically united China" would be a continous threat to the Korea economy

     Chon Dae-joo, chief of FKI's research division, told Tuesday's meeting that
if Korea's economy failed to grow more rapidly than China's economy over the 
next ten years, it would be dedeated.

     Yun Jong-yong, head of Samsung Electro_mechanics Co., told a U.S. newspaper
in November that if China achieved $4,000 per capita gross national product,
it would be able to attract advanced foreign manpower in earnest and its economy
would soon catch up with Korea's economy.

     China's official per capita GNP was $380 last year, but the Korean
government estimates it at around $1,100, similar to Korea's level in the late
1970s.(Yonhap)
.
From: mu@terapin.com (Mu Hong Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee on Entertainment Tonight (1/18/93)
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:15:45 PST
Organization: BBS


I used to love Bruce Lee's movies when I was little.  But now when I look at
it, I sort of want to laugh...  He literally kills everyone with one punch;
except for the boss.

If you check out H.K's recent releases, such as "Once uppon China" I, II, and
III, you know that there is a new "Lee" out there.  Supposely he's the Bruce
Lee os the 90's.  He's pretty raw!

frank mu-hong lin
mu@terapin.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.china
From: zhao@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kang Zhao)
Subject: Re: Why mainlanders are so mixed up?
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 15:51:17 GMT

In article <llr4qtINNfbh@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>
>This is not a problem set up by the government, it was a problem caused by
>the CCP. Before 70s, there was no restriction in this matter. Whatever the
>mainlanders wanted to go Taiwan, they got accepted. Chow Ling-fei, grandson
>of Lu Hsin, went to Taiwan just because he wanted to marry a girl from Taiwan.
>He was accepted in the airport without visa. Many people swimming or boating
>to Jin-mem were accepted. That policy was changed after a mass smuggling of
>red star/black star hand guns to Taiwan together with a mass smugglers,
>that caused a lot of problem in Taiwan. On the other hand, the CCP tends not
>to do anything about it.
>
>If I have reference it may be more convinceful. But, it shows the fact that
>many Beijingese were able to go to Taiwan and settled down there even these
>days. I found them on TV, on radio, entertainment,........
>
>On the CCP side, people original from mainland want to settle down in their
>hometown have to meet the requirement of bringing in cash 200,000 RMB. Is
>this better than the way you think?  
>

As I can understand, you try to justify that a goverment should close its
door to another country if there exist illegal immigrants from that
country. For instance, USA should refuse ANY TYPE of tourists from Mexico,
because of two many illegal mexican immigrants. I hope I understand wrong.

As to the immigrants from TW to ML, I aggree that it is not good to ask
for 200,000 RMB to allow immigration from TW(I doubt it it true). But,
it is much better than not allowing any people to immigrate. Certainly,
I do not think you will ask the Chinese goverment to accept all old
people from TW to live in the mainland and cared by the mainlander people.
You or others repeatedly said that you saw or hard on TV or radio
about some immigrants from ML to TW. What I am concerned is the official
policy of TW regarding tourists from the mainland.
From: cache@carson.u.washington.edu (Chung-Ho Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: RE: Those Typical Taiwanese
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:53:15 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

 I have a feeling that RAJA is a Taiwanese.  He most likely just
 escaped from " Long Fa Tong". Believe it or not.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: li@sicvax.enet.dec.com (Tom Li)
Subject: Re: You call this marketing ?  I call it a shame.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:31:13 GMT


In article <1k7cebINN584@pollux.usc.edu>, mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Iunn) writes...
> 
>It seems that someone is trying as hard as he can to whitewash the crime
>committed by KMT(KuoMingTung or Nationalist) regime of Taiwan.
>
>There is a distinct difference between marketing and political brainwashing.
>The definition of political brainwashing only applies to those cases that
>the target of barinwashing is forced to listen to or watch material given
>to him/her by the authority whom he/she has no power to resist.   This
>happens one day per week to every man in Taiwan during their 2 to 3 years
>mandatory military service.  The day is filled with political education,
>discussions and activities.  In certain extend, this also applies to every
>high school students who are required to take military education classes
>two hours per week which usually filled with political propaganda.
>
>The regime has total control over the writing and editing of the
>textbooks used by all the public and private elementary and high schools.
>Political propaganda about Chiang Kia-Shek, who is portraied as the
>nation's greatest savior, and the achievement of the ruling party are
>the common theme of these materials.
> 
>And there is a ban on having new TV and radio stations.   All the three
>TV stations are at least 50% own by either the government, ruling party
>or the military.
> 
>And you call this marketing ?  I call it a shame.

Did I? How about your article portraying Taiwan *is* a totalitarian country,
dont you think you have also tried to "brainwash" ("marketing") those who are 
not aware the real situation of Taiwan to believe your statement? What that 
makes any difference between your lie and KMT's? Can I call your lie a shame 
or a crime also?

I was in the military service at the time. I never believed it and thought 
those propoganda was a joke. So called "brainwashing" only made me realise
what KMT was doing at the time. And I doubt many people believed it.