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From: jjonsson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu
Subject: MONTANA ON IR?
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:03:52 GMT

I just heard a rumor that Joe has been placed on IR by the 49ers. Can anyone 
confirm or deny this?


Jeff Jonsson
Marriott Library System Support, University of Utah.
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Subject: Red&Gold....The End
From: correa@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:34:55 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University

I will not make this into a flame war. Instead I will end it with 
these last words.

The point I was trying to make was that all great dynasty's come to 
an end. The niners have a chance to end the Joe Montana Era , but still 
continue to win. Unlike the Steelers, Raiders and Packers. If they dont' convince
Joe to retire they might lose that chance.

Also, as a former football player. I would rather know that one of 
the greatest QB's that I saw take the field is able to enjoy a healthy life, 
instead of spending it through constant therapy. It would be sad to know that in the
future Joe Montana can't even lift a football and play catch with his grandson.


Silver&Black
" Pound the Broncs"






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From: csm1@cec2.wustl.edu (Christopher Scott Macri)
Subject: Jets cut Hector?
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:41:26 GMT

Is it true that the Jets cut Johnny Hector?

If it is, I feel that it was a bad decision. Hector was always a man you can
turn to in the clutch for needed yards. He never was a real injury prone player
and his aging years could have been an asset to a young Jet club in terms of
expereince. Was this a move by Coslet to further streamline the offense
with young talent (although Thomas hasnt proved much talent at all!) Rather,
have I been stuck in the Midwest unable to realize that Hector just isn't
doing the job?


Either way, Its good to see that the Jets are getting some well-deserved
attention these days by both the New York and National Press. I cant remember
the last time that the Jets were featured as the nationally televised game
on NBC. Or is it just to show off Atlanta's new Georgia Dome.....


Chris Macri
Remeber- I root for the Jets and anybody who plays the Giants!
From: v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: SF Backs
Date: 29 Aug 92 21:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

O.K. Niner fans, who are your running backs going to be?

Who will start besides T. Rathman?

How many points will the Bills beat you guys by in week #2?
(That is, after we dispose of the Rams for you)

Tim Mac
*Born to be a politician*
*Just out making friends*

GOD!!!  I'm really ready for some football!
From: toma@db.TC.Cornell.EDU (Rory Toma)
Subject: Re: Redskins suck? Not on your life!
Organization: Not bloody likely around here!
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:09:56 GMT

	The title speaks for itself, and I'm a Cowboy fan.

	No matter what the Redskins' pre-season record is, or what
	the score in the Minnesota game was, Washington has a damn good
	team. So what if they lost 30-0? I know damn well that Joe Gibbs
	doesn't care that much about losing the game. He's worried about
	the game next Monday night, and the Redskins didn't exactly
	work all of last week in feverish preparations for Minnesota.
	Jimmy Johnson didn't lose sleep preparing for the Bears,
	either.

	Winning coaches, like Johnson and Gibbs, have no pressure
	to win in preseason, nor do they have to play their first
	string much. They use the preseason to evaluate players
	and test new sets, rather than accumlate W's.
	
	Coaches of losing teams, on the other hand, are under pressure
	to win. New head coaches need give more time to the starters so they
	can find out what kind of team they've been put in charge of.
	The new head coach of a losing team, well, you know...
	
 	The real Redskins, and the real Cowboys, don't show up until
	next Monday night.


Then why was it that the Redskins played their starters for much longer
than the Vikings? I would think that Joe Gibbs would at least want to
score before the regular season. You play as well as you practice, and I
think that Dennis Green is the first person on Minnesota to realize
this in a very long time.
--
toma@tc.cornell.edu - Rory Toma

Opinionated and tunnel-visioned? Darn right. But then, my employer really
doesn't know what I'm talking about anyway...
From: rjmathia@la.sjf.novell.com (Robert Mathias)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Redskins Suck!
Date: 31 Aug 92 04:29:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

In article <BtsD8p.HxH@acsu.buffalo.edu> v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY) writes:
>I have a feeling, (and I am a BIG Emmitt Smith fan 'cause he saved our FF
>butts last yr.) that the Cowboys might be in for a lllllooooonnnnnggggg
>night next Monday.  When the Bills got WOMPED by K.C. last yr. they got
>their S**T together and won the division going away.
>
>Embarassment like last night can really screw a team's heads on straight.
>It should be a wonderful game.
>I hope I get to watch it.

I haven't seen any of the Cowboys games this pre-season but I know they
couldn't have played as bad as the 'Skins all pre-season.  At times the 'Skins
1st team defense has looked ok, but the offense is completely out of sync.
I'm sure for all Cowboy fans, it will be a wonderful game, but I don't see
anyway for my 'Skins to be ready for this game!



Bob Mathias
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From: drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin R. Christmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Joe (Toast?) Montana
Date: 29 Aug 92 07:00:32 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <55886@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> donehoo@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Doyle Donehoo) writes:
>Remember those of you who said Joe was Toast? That Joe was 
>washed up? That he was outta here??
>
>Well, toast is served. Eat your words.
>
>Joe Montana was throwing in practice today, and will start this Friday.

Big deal.  I was throwing a football around today, but that doesn't mean I
could lead an NFL team to the Super Bowl, or even keep some hotshot DB from
eating my lunch.

Stick a fork in Joe, he's done.  He should do as Larry Bird did, and just admit
that the body isn't as young as it used to be.  It's not that his career is
very lacking in achievement.  He's won 4 Super Bowls, which only Terry Brad-
shaw has done besides Joe.  He's set records left and right.  He'll go down in
history as the most feared man on the field after the two-minute warning.  He's
a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility.

I think that Steve Young will finally shed his status as the best-paid backup
in the league this year.  I know it, the Niners know it, and deep down, you
"Joe is back" people know it, but can't admit it, because you've grown used to
seeing #16 out there every Sunday, and can't imagine the 49ers without him.
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From: dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: If Walker should fail.
Date: 1 Sep 92 14:43:35 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers (MPD) Austin, TX

In article <11l203X8746700@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>
>Well, I dunno... in his first few games in Minnesota, he tore up the place. 

Did the same in Dallas, too, but then again, the eventual result was the same.

>I think
>Herschel just plain got his feelings hurt by all that bullshit (He's a 
>sensitive guy, you know ) and basically stopped trying so damned hard... 
>Nobody appreciated it anyway! 

Oh, come on.  Anybody whose team has had Walker knows that that is
stupid.  Herschel stopped trying because he's an ASS.  He doesn't give
a shit about anything except himself.  I can't fault him for that as
a person, but as a football player, that makes you a washout.  He is,
in my mind without question, the most talented runner in the game today.
He's big, he's incredibly fast, hard to tackle -- any conceivable way
you want to cut the pie, he comes out on top.  But I would personally
pay the Cowboys not to take him back, because he just doesn't give a
shit.  No amount of talent is going to make up for that.

My prediction for this season -- Herschel will be a 1,000 yard rusher,
or at least near it.  Next season, 400-500.  And the next, on the way to
a new team, for whom he will undoubtedly play the exact same way:  try
just hard enough so the team will cough up big bucks, and then coast
until dumped.  Of course, this season, when he's playing well to show
everyone that the Vikings made a mistake in trading him, he's probably
going to help the Eagles to the Super Bowl, and that PISSES THE HELL
OUT OF ME.

Daniel Welch
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From: bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley)
Subject: Re: Tight Ends
Originator: bradletm@rastaban
Organization: Northern Telecom Incorporated
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:53:29 GMT

From article <1992Aug31.165756.1326@pdn.paradyne.com>, by lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James):
> In article <1992Aug29.174356.1@gallua.gallaudet.edu> 11dmcvay@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Daniel T. McVay) writes:
>>Could someone be kind enough to list every tight end currently playing
>>in the NFL? If not, could you guys just post up on a few tight ends
>>which are your favorites and why?
>>
>>I'm currently looking for a decent tight-end in my league and aint
>>sure how to get up on them.
>>
>>Concrete Shoes,Cyanide,TNT,Done Dirt Cheap,Neckties,Contracts,HIGH Voltage
> 
> I don't know what the last line of your .sig is about, but trying to name
> all of the tight ends could be interesting.  Here's a template we can all
> fill in (and correct).  Here goes nothing...
> 

        NFC East                                AFC East 
Washington      ?                       New York          ?
Philadelphia    Keith Jackson           Miami             Ferrel Edmunds
Dallas          Jay Novecek             Buffalo           Pete Metzlars
New York        ?                       New England       Marv Cook
Phoenix         ?                       Indianapolis      ?
 
        NFC Central                             AFC Central
Chicago         ?                       Pittsburgn        Eric Green
Detroit         none *                  Cleveland         ?
Minnesota       Steve Jordan            Houston           none *
Tampa Bay       Ron Hall                Cincinnati        Rodney Holman
Green Bay       Ed West
 
        NFC West                                AFC West
San Francisco   Brent Jones             Los Angeles       Ethan Hortan
New Orleans     Hobie Brenner           Kansas City       John Hayes 
Atlanta         none *                  Denver            Clarence Kay
Los Angeles     Damone Johnson,         Seattle           Travis McNeal
                Jim Price,              San Diego         ? 
                Pat Carter 
* Run-n-Shoot.

There's what I can add off the top of my head...

						Tim
 

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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: Dallas *iced Notes*
Organization: University of Michigan
	<1992Aug26.123700.7198@abode.ttank.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:12:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.123700.7198@abode.ttank.com> eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett) writes:

   In article <21063@optima.cs.arizona.edu> dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) writes:
   >In article <1992Aug26.001310.11281@aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
   >>
   >>So, what should Dallas get for Novacek.  His status as a veteran makes him 
   >>worth less considering that free agency is just around the corner.  He would 
   >>be eligible in its first year.  Still, I think that Novacek is worth a
   >>#1 and a #3. 
   >
   >This is SO stupid I will not even think about responding - i am sure
   >someone else would.  Oh, you meant the #1 and #3 special at McDonalds,
   >right?  I see.  
   >
   >What's next?  Novachek to the Chiefs for Derrick Thomas, right?

   Yet another Cowboy basher. What is a Pro Bowl TE worth to you anyway?  You
   obviously have no idea how much the guy did for the team last year.

You guys are so predictable.

Bill
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From: matt@ssehou.houst.sgi.com (Matt Carey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Player questions
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:10:12 GMT
Reply-To: matt@ssehou.houst.sgi.com (Matt Carey)
Organization: sgi

Could someone please mail me the status of the following players?

Kevin Mack - 
Sammie Smith -
Johnny Johnson - 
Brad Muster - 
Stephone Paige -


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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: Packer notes
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date:  2 SEP 92 14:50:17    

In article <1992Sep2.123116.6436@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey) writes...

>In article <1992Sep1.204837.7786@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>>
>>I think they're going to pick up some people from the waiver wire.  
>
>They did pick up a guard yesterday.  Here's the summary of the Packer
>moves yesterday.

The Packer coaching staff is predictably unpredictable.  ie. Figure 
out what most teams would do then predict something else.

>Injured Reserve
>--------------
>RB Darrell Thompson
>RB Marcus Wilson
> 
>Injured Non-Football Illness
>----------------------------
>OT Tony Mandarich
> 
>Signed
>------
>TE Darryl Ingram
>RB Harry Sydney  -  From San Francisco
>OG Joe Sims - Has anyone heard of him?

Conspicuous in his absence - Greg Bell.  I think the Packers *should* 
have resigned him but I didn't expect them to.

Thompson - IR, Wilson - IR, Bell - waived.  Leaves Workman and Bennett 
fighting for the starting HB spot I suppose.  :-(

>Terrell Buckley's agent came to Green Bay yesterday.  It appears Terrell
>is close to signing a contract (just as you predicted, John).  The Packers
>reportedly came up from their lastest offer of $1.35M/yr.  It will be 
>interesting to see if the Packers request a roster exemption for Buckley
>when he signs.  I would expect they would not and Buckley would at least
>return punts immediately.

I heard that no significant progress was made during the talks 
yesterday.  Time grows short for my prediction to come true.

Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Thu,  3 Sep 1992 15:22:06 -0400 
From: Christopher Glenn Huegle <ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Huey Richardson, Knoll's last failure?

 	 Yesterday, Steelers' 1991 First round pick, Huey Richardson, was
traded to the Washington Redskins for a 7th round pick.  I think they
might have given up on him a bit too early, but I guess I hadn't watched
him very closely in the pre-season.  
	Huey was the last pick of the Chuck Knoll administration and it was one
of the biggest flops, to this point, in the history of the Steelers. 
When one looks at the post 70's drafting of Knoll, it's not hard to
notice it sucked.  This gets me to wonder if Knoll, or whoever he had do
it, actually had any ability as a drafter and had just had gotten lucky
in the early and mid-70's.  Since the late 70's the Steelers have almost
always been a mediocre team, even though Knoll was still there. 
	In my opinion, Knoll was a pretty good coach, he just sucked as a
drafter and it is extremely hard to win without talent.  Currently, the
only substantial talents that the Steelers have are Eric Green ( I
really like this guy) and Rod Woodson and possibly Greg Lloyd.  Lipps is
past his prime and Neil O'Donnell,  Barry Foster, and a good portion  of
the secondary have, IMHO, shown a bit of potential.  (I probably forgot
someone, but that's all I can think of now.)
	An interesting stat for a head coach would be the Number of Hall of
Famers Drafted.  Knoll, I believe, would be pretty far up there in the
list.  Another interesting stat would be number of 1st round picks who
aren't with the team after 5 years, or number of 1st round picks who
aren't starting after 5 years.  It seem that Knoll would be pretty far
up this list also.  
	So, I was just wondering, was Huey Richardson a fitting farewell to the
Knoll era, or was he just a long line of underachievers drafted by
Knoll, or both?  I think part of the Draft is to identify these
underachievers and pick someone else and in this area, Knoll failed
miserably.  Of course, that's just my opinion.

			Chris
From: 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: <None>
Date: 30 Aug 92 06:28:55 GMT
Organization: Gallaudet University

It's offical- Miami and NE Patriots will play on October 18th, not a game swap
as previously discussed, due to the field wasn't ready after U2 stomped it bad.
Hence, both teams will have their season openers a week later than the rest of
the NFL. The rationalizaion NFL used to reshedule the game was out of respect
for the wrecked Miami community, and also it would steal vital police resources
needed out there than to look over an unimportant game.
Miami forever...
-- 

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From: steves@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Steve Schunzel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: A few Questions......
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:48:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Aug26.184858.21848
Distribution: usa
Organization: Western Washington University

beegle@ftp.phy.uab.edu (Earthbound) writes:

>1) Does anyone know how far apart M.Irvin and the cowboys are? Is he 
>    going to sign anytime in the near future? (This is the LAST time 
>    I pick a cowbaby on my FFL team since I Live Green)

I just learned that M. Irvin and the Cowboys are still very far apart, but
both sides are talking. I know how you feel, I picked him and J. Rice for
my FFL.

>3) Who is going to start for Seattle at QB? 

Kelly Stouffer looks to be the starting QB (that is until he gets hurt!)
But he has looked impressive in preseason. Maybe Flores can bring out the
best in him.

Steve in Seattle

GO HUSKIES! GO HAWKS!
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From: jacobson@procyon.bucknell.edu (douglas jacobson GR)
Subject: Re: Jets questions ...
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:47:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep02.231447.14480@bmerh85.bnr.ca> broger@bnr.ca (Roger Balakrishnan) writes:
>Is Troy Taylor still with the jets ??? 
>What happened to Tony eason wasnt he with 
>the jets at the end of last season ??
>
>
>roger.

Troy Taylor was waived...thank god.  Every time I watched him, he did
*nothing*.  I don't see him as a pro caliber qb.  Instead they kept
rookie qb Jeff Blake, who has a good arm.

I'm not sure, but I don't think Eason was on the Jets last year, he
might have retired.

Sunday in the Georgia Dome should be fun (but tough).  Go Browning!!!


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From: drew@verdix.com (Drew Johnson)
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end of the 49ers
Organization: Verdix Corp.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:27:20 GMT

In article <17hubkINNitk@agate.berkeley.edu> rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege) writes:
>First it was putting Ronnie Lott on Plan B to make a place for Bubba
>Paris. Now its the Charles Haley trade. If ESPN is right, all they
>are getting for Haley is a _swap_ of no. 1 picks, a 2nd round pick
>and a 3rd round pick. And I believe these are _conditonal_ picks
>based on how much playing time Haley gets.  This is ridiculous. Haley 
>is no Pat Swilling or Derrick Thomas, but he is definitely worth more 
>than this. Do all the team presidents and coaches stick their brains
>up their asses when it comes to dealing with the Cowboys ?

You may well be right;  the Cowboys might be getting a steal here.  On
the other hand, I would like to know more about the conditional picks
first.  These picks almost always hinge on amount of playing time the
player gets.  Well you can be sure that Haley will get used quite a bit
by Dallas, so barring injury, you can almost count on the conditionals
being there.  If they gave up a conditional 1st round pick, then this
means a first, a second, and a third.  This is quite a bit for any player.

Especially since, after the Skins finish slapping them around on the
monday night opener, they will be so beat up and demoralized that their
number 1 pick will be in the top five. :)


Drew
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (david j warner)
Subject: NFL Realignment
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 03:23:40 GMT

I'm sure this thread has come up on this board before, but I'd like to see
what some people have to say about it anyway.

With the upcoming expansion teams headed to the NFL in a year or two, what
kind of realignment would take place in the NFL?  I would imagine that if
they come up with a plan, they would leave the AFC alone and switch everyone
in the NFC to their natural positions (Atlanta to the East and Phoenix to
the West, etc).  They could move Indy to the AFC Central, but I doubt that
would happen.

- Would you be in favor of realignment?
- Why or why not?
- If yes, what would you like to see in the ways of realignment?
- Do you think the NFL would do it?

I'm interested in hearing what you all have to say.

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From: jayant@eng.umd.edu (Ramakrishnan Jayant)
Subject: Re: Top 5 Defenses?
Reply-To: jayant@eng.umd.edu (Ramakrishnan Jayant)
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:23:29 GMT

In article <BtLqvx.6F6@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY) writes:
> I'm curious about peoples view on the best DEEE's this year.
> 
> I'd say:
> 1. Houston
> 2. Denver
> 3. Chicago
> 4. Washington
> 5. New Orleans
> 
> Any thoughts?	Opinions?
> 
> T. Mac
> GOOOOOOOOOO-O-0-O-0-O  BILLS, BULLS, BISONS and ,er, well, Sabres I guess!  
You must be kidding! What about the Eagles?!!!!!
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