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From: KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: New Frankenstein movie(s)
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:19:00 GMT

Excerpts from an article in the November 17 "Los Angeles Times":

REAL STORY OF A GUY AND HIS MONSTER
By Jeff Kaye
Special to the Times

. . .Frankenstein on a dog sled in the Acrtic Circle?  It's a weird idea that 
probably would have been deemed utterly preposterous and tossed in the trash 
if not for the person who thought of it.  That person was Mary Shelley, whose 
1818 novel "Frankenstein" begins with a disfigured creature and its creator 
locked in a deadly chase across the great white North.

Boris Karloff and the legion of square-headed descendants who have played the 
Frankenstein monster in countless films may have provided hours of thrilling 
entertainment with their versions of the creature.  But what really wound up 
hideously disfigured in those movies was Shelley's novel.

Now comes Turner Network Televison to set things right.  . . .

. . . with Randy Quaid as the monster (no, his name is not Frankenstein) and 
Patrick Bergin [an aside -- this was the bad guy in "Sleeping With the 
Enemy".] as his creator, (his name *is* Frankenstein.)

. . . With Coppola just announcing that his American Zoetrope will produce a 
new version of Frankenstein starring and directed by Kenneth Branagh [Henry 
V], there appears to be something of a mini-trend toward recharging the 
careers of aging fright-meisters.

Even Godzilla is returning, in a recently announced TriStar Pictures 
production.

[The Turner production was written, produced, and directed by David Wickes, 
whose credits include "Jekyll and Hyde" and "Jack the Ripper".]

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From: dave@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu (David Milner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: GODZILLA NEWS
Keywords: Godzilla Battra Mothra Monster Japan
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:56:23 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

The larval Battra emits red/pink rays from its eyes similar to
Ghidrah's.

Here are the final monster heights and weights:

Godzilla is 100 meters tall, and weighs 60,000 tons.

The larva Mothra is 120 meters long and weighs 15,000 tons.
The adult Mothra is 175 meters long and weighs 20,000 tons.

The larva Battra is  90 meters tall, and weighs 20,000 tons.
The adult Battra is 180 meters long, and weighs 30,000 tons.

David Milner  Columbia University
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From: system@memalph.UUCP (Woody Harper)
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Subject: Dracula (No Spoilers)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 13:54:14 MST
Organization: Memory Alpha BBS - Phoenix, AZ -

I just saw Dracula on Sunday (the latest version) and I was sorely 
disappointed. Mr. Copola told myself and about 2000 others at the San 
Diego Comic Convention that this would be an accurate adaption of the 
original novel. I read the novel the day before I saw the movie and I 
must say that Mr. Copola LIES! There are so many significant deviations 
that it is unfair for the two to share a title. When more folks have seen 
the flick we can discuss these differences. Also, the movie looked cheap. 
It lacked production value and had the appearance of a "made-for-tv" 
movie. I was very excited going into this show and very diasappointed 
coming out.

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From: dave@blackbox.cc.columbia.edu (David Milner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies,alt.cult-movies
Subject: GODZILLA NEWS
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:29:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov22.152956.28555
Organization: Columbia University

Shinichi Sekizawa, who wrote the screenplays to over a dozen Toho
genre films such as MOTHRA, KING KONG VS. GODZILLA, GODZILLA VS. 
THE THING, GHIDRAH, THE THREE-HEADED MONSTER, ATRAGON, GODZILLA'S
REVENGE, and GODZILLA VS. GIGAN, died of natural causes on Nov. 20.
He was in his early 80s.


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From: chelius@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (thomas chelius      )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: No no no...it's not XTRO...
Date: 24 Nov 1992 02:24:49 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Department MSCS
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In article <1992Nov23.214707.13895@u.washington.edu> labmas@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Andersson) writes:
>Another one (don't remember title) is set in Antartica, and one station
>unearths (un-ices) a crashed alien ship.  The alien, when thawed out,
>takes the form of its victim, eventually killing most of the characters
>before dying by fire.  The two who kill it end up dying  from hypothermia.
> Anyone out there remember the title?
>

This movie was THE THING directed by John Carpenter.  It starred Kurt
Russell.  This was a remake of an earlier version that came out in
1956 (??).  I've only seen the original once, but it had nothing to do
with a creature taking other forms.  Carpenter's Thing does have a
chest-busting scene...it's pretty grusome.

-Shags

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From: labmas@stein.u.washington.edu (Michael Andersson)
Subject: Re: No no no...it's not XTRO...
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:47:07 GMT

>>I can't remember what the movie was that was like Aliens, but it aint XTRO.
>>Something like "The Creature Within" or something cheesy.
>>Anyone?
>>
>Ah. I brought that one up, you shoulda askjed me directly. 
>here are some films that Alien borrows from:
>
>They Came From Within <the original chestburster. Cronenberg's debut feature>
>Planet Of The Vampires <scenes with a giant alien skeleton seated at a huge
>      gun. Eerily familiar after watching Alien.>
>It! The Terror From Beyond Space <Alien creature invades a spaceship,
>     killing and feeding on the crew. Alien hides in airshafts, and I
>
>All fun to watch in an Alien film festival.
>Also try:
>
>alien Contamination
>Creature <aka Titan Find>
>Scared To Death
>
>Galaxy Of Terror
>Forbidden World.
>
Another one (don't remember title) is set in Antartica, and one station
unearths (un-ices) a crashed alien ship.  The alien, when thawed out,
takes the form of its victim, eventually killing most of the characters
before dying by fire.  The two who kill it end up dying  from hypothermia.
 Anyone out there remember the title?

LabMaster
From: horne@physics.su.OZ.AU (Geoff Horne)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Computers in films/TV -** THE LIST **-
Date: 17 Nov 92 05:13:05 GMT
Organization: Vislab, University of Sydney, Australia

Hello,
For those of you who don't know (which is probably all of you) I'm the 
dude who started this thread....

So for some insane reasom i feel i should be responsible for the upkeep
of the list.

In case you were interested, We just took delivery of a Cray and a whole
lot of Unix boxes as part of a new lab we are setting up. Naturally we
needed names for these machines and the final decision was to name them
after Computers in films (over here we call a Spade a Spade). Personally
I wanted to name them after modern artists but i was voted down 2-1, and
no one could spell MONDRIAN... Anyway we ran out of names before we ran
out of machines - so the call went out.

I don't feel the list is complete yet - but we have enough names now
Feel free to continue adding names as you find tham and I'll keep the list
as up to date as possible.

Here's The List -----------

COMPUTERS --
Movies:

Hal 9000	- 2001 a space oddity
Sal 9000	- 2010
W.O.P.R		- War Games
Skynet		- T1,2
Mother		- Alien
Computer	- Star trek
Edgar		- Electric Dreams
Colossus	- The Forbin Project
Proteus		- The Demon Seed
MCP		- Tron

TV:

Orac		- Blake's 7
Zen		- Blakes 7
Holly		- Red Dwarf
Hilly		- Red Dwarf
Eddie		- HHGTTG
Deep Thought	- HHGTTG
Ziggy		- Quantun Leap
Tim		- The Tomorrow People

ROBOTS --
Movies:

R2D2, C3P0	- Star Wars
Robby		- Forbidden planet

TV:

Robot		- Lost in Space
Marvin		- HHGTTG
Rosie		- The Jetsons
Hymie		- Get Smart
Twiki		- Buck Rogers
Andy		- Quark
Rhonda		- My Living Doll
YoYo		- Holmes and YoYo
Data		- ST:TNG
7-Zark-7	- Battle of the Planets
K-9		- Dr Who
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From: 01fortec@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: BLACK HOLE Ending
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:57:31 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Nov17.220441.20384@rhrk.uni-kl.de>, dachsel@rhrk.uni-kl.de (Prof. Klaus Madlener [Informatik]) writes:
> Hi SF specialists,
> I don't know whether this is a FAQ, or has been asked quite a while
> ago. But could someone explain the ending of the Disney SF movie
> BLACK HOLE to me? I remember someone saying that Dr. Reinhardt (sp?)
> ended in hell, but what do the scenes mean after they enter the black
> hole?
> Please answer by e-mail to GERTHD@MVS.SAS.COM, I'll summarize.
> Regards,
> Thomas
> -- 
> Thomas Dachsel
> SAS Institute GmbH, In der Neckarhelle 162, D-W-6900 Heidelberg, Germany
> Mail: dachsel@rhrk.uni-kl.de, gerthd@mvs.sas.com
> Tel.: +49 6221 4150, +49 6203 12274

I'll probably get this wrong for a whole lot of reasons but here goes.

In the first half of the movie, one of the characters remarks about the
black hole and refers to Dante's Inferno.  The end is probably a tie-back
to this. There's also a bit of Frankenstein in there, where the creator
becomes the victim of his creation. And Faust, where the protagonist sells
his soul for his ambitions.

Joe
01fortec@ac.dal.ca

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From: sgccrjh@citec.oz.au (Robert Howlett)
Subject: Re: I Liked Alien - again
Organization: CITEC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 01:59:35 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

rzuw039@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de (Juergen Weinelt) writes:
: From article <73730@hydra.gatech.EDU>, by ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz):
: > Yes, except for one thing:  They only need one prey to peek at a cocoon.
: > After that, we have one Alien, and he can bring more hosts for the rest of
: > the cocoons.  After that, the reproduce pretty much exponentially, and soon
: > the entire world (or as much of it as they can get to) is taken.
: 
: That's the one basic flaw in the entire Alien creature concept...
: they take over the planet, an then ... what? And don't say they
: simply start making cocoons and wait for some kind spaceship crew
: to pick them up :) The problem is, once they've taken the entire
: planet (and that's what's bound to happen - they're damn aggressive),
: they've basically destroyed the food chain and will eventually
: die themselves. Their overly aggressive behaviour along with the
: high reproduction rate is simply counter-productive.
: 
: The only possible way out that I could think of is that they're
: not the top of the food chain on their home planet, and that
: there's at least one more predator type creature there with a
: lower reproduction rate (but with a giant appetite for Aliens :-)

Ive always been fond of the idea that they have a hibernation phase
which takes place after they have gobbled most of the population ...

They simply go underground and hibernate until the population ha
replentished itself.  Maybe their home planet is one that has 
seasons that last decades instead of months... Binary star system or
something ... and the aliens hibernate most of the time, and then when
the season changes, they re-awake and chomp everything in sight.

Just a theory.
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From: hal@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Hal Prentice)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: sound in space
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:55:00 GMT
Organization: Broadcasting Services, Michigan State University

In article <BxuFFB.5B6@cs.psu.edu> antunes@astro.psu.edu (Sandy Antunes) writes:
>From: antunes@astro.psu.edu (Sandy Antunes)
>Subject: Re: sound in space
>Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:35:25 GMT
>shoham@ll.mit.edu writes:
>>There is also - aptly named - "Silent Run". A politically correct movie about
>>a space gardner who kills his co-workers to save his plants.
>
>Hmmm... interesting, I didn't know homicide was politically correct these
>days.  Have to remember that.
>Oh, and the movie was called "Silent Running", and starred a young Bruce Dern,
>and is a classic movie in most senses of the word.
>
>Sandy
>alex@astro.isas.ac.jp
>etc.etc

Good flick but hardly "silent".  The domes were propagated a lot of sound 
when they were blown up.

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From: hal@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Hal Prentice)
Subject: Re: sound in space
Organization: Broadcasting Services, Michigan State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:35:13 GMT

In article <Bxqsp3.MoH@well.sf.ca.us> rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
>From: rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao)
>Subject: sound in space
>Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 05:31:51 GMT
>
>How many SF films are realistic enough that they show there is no sound
>in space? All I can think of is 2001.
>-- 
>Robert Chao
>Oakland, California

"Journey to the Far Side of the Sun" ("Doppleganger" in the UK) was very 
realistic in that regard.

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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Alien biology
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:21:15 GMT
Organization: DB and ES Subdivision, TU Vienna

From article <1992Nov12.220801.8836@ac.dal.ca>, by 01fortec@ac.dal.ca:
> There's some implication that the company may have known about the derelict
> as far back as A1.

How about checking your sources?  It is made *very* explicit in Alien
that the Company explicitly rerouted the ship and placed Ash on board
deliberately, because they had at least an inkling of something
interesting out there.
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From: joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Unrealistic space scenes ( was: sound in space )
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:15:26 EST
Organization: Upchurch Computer Consulting, Orlando FL

pejulaju@sandman.cs.hut.fi (Pentti Lajunen) writes:

> >and very convenient large holes in the sides of the big
> >ship that let them take off and land freely yet didnt let the air rush out
> >into space!
> 
> The landing bay of the Death Star in Star Wars and Return of the Jedi?

Maybe they had some Watchmakers aboard the Death Star. :-)

(If your mail bounces use the address below.)
Joel Upchurch/Upchurch Computer Consulting/718 Galsworthy/Orlando, FL 32809
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From: dfk0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (David F. Keppel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: sound in space
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:38:30 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <u906789.722151763@bruny>, u906789@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Julian
Turner) writes:
>rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
>
>
>>How many SF films are realistic enough that they show there is no sound
>>in space? All I can think of is 2001.
>
>If you're going to complain about "sound in space", what about : who's playing
>all that music you always hear in films. Is there an orchestra(sp?) just of
>screen or what...?
>
I think Robert is referring to the scene where Commander Bowman attempts
to get back into the Discovery using the auxillary hatch. In a realistic
scenario, no sound is produced until the hatch is closed and pressurized.

And please let loose a little with this sound business...who wants to see
a movie; repeat..a MOVIE where everything HAS to be realistic!

I prefer to hear the haunting chorus...rather than absolute silence in those
special effects shots anytime!!!


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From: gbradley@uks240.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: George Pal
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:29:36 GMT
Reply-To: gbradley@uks240.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley)


    Well one piece of trivia that you may like or love is that hommage
is payed to George Pal in The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Some may take
this as an insult to Pal, but given the massive cult status that TRS has
nowadays (and it's growing all the time in Scotland!) and the whole
basis behind the play/film, I reckon it is a very nice tribute and a
reflection and acknowledgement of Pal's influence in the SF genre of the
50s (and 60s??). Anyway, I think it's a nice piece of trivia...

An extract of lyrics to "Science Fiction", the song in "The Rocky Horror
Picture Show" that plays over the opening titles and is reprised at the
end in a different key...

   "And when worlds collide," said George Pal to his bride,
   I'm gonna give you some terrible thrills.

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From: jtisdel@digi.lonestar.org (J. Michael Tisdel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: 2001 : What does it mean!!!
Summary: ***SPOILERS***
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:47:46 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX


*******SPOILERS*******



Now, this is all IMHO...

After turning off HAL, Dave continues with the mission.  Discovery arrives
at the point in Jupiter's orbit to which the Tycho Monolith sent its signal.
Floating there in space is a larger monolith.  Dave gets into a pod and goes
out to investigate.  When he gets close to the monolith, a star gate opens
and the pod is sent through to the home world of the Monolith (or Monolith
Builders).  The flashing lights are the stars by which Dave, in the pod,
flies at superluminal velocity.  At the end of the journey, the pod is set
down in a cage where he lives out the rest of his life, in the lab or zoo
of the Monolith Builders.  Kubrick uses Dave's observation of himself as a
time compression device.  Dave is not actually jumping around the room and
ageing.  When he is on his death bed, the Monolith appears again and, as it
has done twice before, helps the human forward in its evolution.  The star
child, then, is the next step in the long journey from the plains of Africa.

The 'ultimate trip' mentioned in the preivews is from ape-man to star child
and not, as some have said, the 15 minutes of flashing lights.

"2001: A Space Odyssey" has been called the 'first truly visual movie' where
the whole of the story is told by the images -- dialog is secondary.  The
ending, like the beginning, is wholely visual.
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From: futor@llnl.gov (randy j futor)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: SF Novels that would make Great Films
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:51:07 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.movies
Organization: CSo @ LLNL


 kpapai@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Ken Papai) wrote:
> 
> I've also heard the rumors of making the Foundation series into movies.
> That would be fantastic.

A friend & I were talking the other day about a thing that at least one
reviewer has called "particularly American", namely the serial.

Does anyone else think, as I do, that the Foundation stories would
serialize extremely well?

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From: ins769v@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Veltyen)
Subject: Re: I Liked Alien 3
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:38:58 GMT

steve hix (fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:
: Markus Stumptne writes:
: >
: >So, if mammy disappears, the eggs stay alone.  And if you have the
: >right species, the eggs will hatch without her.  Say, crocodiles and
: >turtles.  Both lay eggs, one in nests, the other without, neither care
: >for the eggs.  
: 
: Hope you don't do any unsupervised hiking about during the nesting
: season in parts of Florida: female alligators get downright testy
: if anyone gets too close to the nest.
: 
: I've heard that a number of other crocodilians tend toward the same
: behavior.

Salties (Esturine Crocodiles) do as well, for about a year if I remember.
And one thing you don't want is a six metre long salties deciding you're
"threatening" to her young.

You are right about the turtles though, especially the larger oceanic 
variety.

-Veltyen
(Australia, where fish are real fish, an crocs are real crocs)
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