HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Robert.Hartill@cm.cf.ac.uk (Hmmm)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: longest running shows.
Date: 13 Aug 92 07:25:51 GMT
Organization: Computing Maths (COMMA), UWCC, Wales, UK

w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk wrote...
-|
-| I can't think of many UK TV comedies which have lasted > 10 yrs
-|  a10 yrs      "The Goodies" 
-|  20 yrs asg   "Last of the Summer Wine"
-|  30 yrs (?)   "Morecambe and Wise" - comedy duo together from the
-|                1940's, got their own TV show in the 50's or 60's.

The Two Ronnies. 20+ (If you count their earlier work together)

Only Fools And Horses must be about 10 years old by now, and
it's still going strong.

Also 'In sickness and in health' (was Till Death Do Us Part), 20+ years ?

Minder

Crossroads. Another great long running british comedy.
 
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From: arkhive@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Ailsa Jenkins)
Subject: Bloody annoyed 
Distribution: world
Organization: QLA - Quantum Leap Anonymous
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:17:36 +0000


In article <1992Aug12.075638.21426@spider.co.uk> andrewc@spider.co.uk writes:

> One question, Why do ITV insist on showing their films at 21:00 with 40>  minutes
> of news stuck in the middle ?

The excuse is - "We can't start the film any earlier." 
 
> I find it very distracting to watch a film in two bits, does anyone know if>  they
> get many complaints about their format ?

Well I stuck my oar in tonight and just caught the Thames Duty Officer
before she went out the door at midnight. One really good thing about "Blade
Runner" (apart from Harrison Ford ;-) )  is the atmosphere. I really don't
know why ITV bothered to show this film at all. The whole presentation was
ruined by

1) the adverts - but they are unavoidable
2) the 45 minute interruption for the interminable ads/news/ads/weather/ads/
   local news/ads
3) to add insult to injury they cut the credits off before they'd even got
   as far as the cast   
   
It's just as well that the Thames franchise is not being renewed. They are
unprofessional in their presentation. Shoddy, definately shoddy. They treat
the viewer as !&*%. 

I will be interested to see the viewing figures for this and for last
week's Star Trek IV.

BTW I asked the Duty Officer if any one else had complained. "Yes - one
other", she said. I guess the rest of 'em had either switched off and gone
to bed in disgust, or fallen asleep in the chair.

(with apologies to the keyboard for thumping it so hard as I vent a little
spleen)

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From: sprackle@rel8.ncsa.uiuc.edu (David Spracklen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Stinkers!
Date: 22 Aug 92 16:41:21 GMT
Organization: ncsa

In article <Bt8MEx.16H@brunel.ac.uk>, ma91ajc@brunel.ac.uk (Alistair J Coffin) writes:
|> 
|>  Er,Crap, rather, cop rock, was axed if I remeber rightly-after a few episodes
|>  after the REALLY interesting pilot. Late night BBC 1 programs don't tend to be
|>  quite that bad, so I do remeber this one, though late night viewing on BBC is
|>  normally pretty rubbish. I really must ask how the Americans could even
|>  imagine making this program, let alone actually doing it!!( No offense
|>  meant!)
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We're still picking up the pieces over here.  As near as we can tell, there must
have been a high level meeting that went something like this.

Chairman: "OK.  We need something new, something that will really grab peoples'
          attention.  Any ideas?

Board #1:  "Uh, I . . . well . . . I have an idea, but I want to work a few things
           out first.

Board #2:  "Yeah.  Me too."

Board #3:  "How about a cop show?"

Chairman:  "Old hat, man;  I'm talking NEW.  I'm talking BIG."

Board #1:  <under his breath> "You're talking miracle."

Board #4:  "I liked 'West Side Story.'  That had cops and gangs.  Maybe we should try
           a musical cop show.

<Major supernatural/metaphysical event causing all members in this room to suddenly
 becom raving idiots who would approve ANYTHING>

All:       "GREAT IDEA!!"

In answer to your question, I have no idea.  I think 99.999999% of America asked
the same question.

Dave
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From: dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Stinkers!
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:50:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: pixel.1992Aug19.175059.26866
Organization: :noitazinagrO

In article <Bt8r91.AxL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sprackle@rel8.ncsa.uiuc.edu (David Spracklen) writes:
>They actually dared let "Cop Rock" out of the country?!  They must have
>wanted to have the show flop in two countries.  I just hope that
>"Rescue 911" (our emergency show) doesn't go musical; it's hosted by
>William Shatner (Captain Kirk) and I am not at all interested to see if
>he can sing.
>
>Dave Spracklen

It's probably worse for the UK than the US.  At least when a show flops
here, it gets pulled after a couple of episodes.  If it gets sold to the
UK in a six or twelve episode chunk, all will be shown, no matter how
bad the response.  I pity those forced to endure such unnecessary
torture.

William Shatner can't sing.  To prove it, he made an album where he
_spoke_ the words to a variety of schmaltz ballads, with an orchestra
doing the music behind him.

Now that Patrick Stewart, he of the chrome dome, has been voted one of
the sexiest men on the planet, do you think Shatner will abandon the
rug?


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From: ccjpb@bristol.ac.uk (John P. Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Need B7 Episode!s! on VHS
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:52:12 GMT
Organization: University of Bristol, England

In article <LPygPB2w164w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> ekho.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>... However, our lucky 
>counterparts in the UK are aproximately through the third! (I'm not sure, 
>would someone care to update me?)
Tapes #21 and #22 have just come out in UK whick is 5 episodes into 4th Season;
8 episodes to go.
From: pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk (Philippa Hogben)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Hugh, Phew, Barley Magrew...
Keywords: Firemen
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:50:28 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

kdontas@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Chris Eccleston) writes:

>In article <2698@nlsun1.oracle.nl> nroworth@nl.oracle.com (Nick Roworth) writes:
>>In article <9811@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM>, tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Trevor German) writes:
>>|> 
>>|> 	Was it camberwick Green that had the happless firemen
>>|> 	Hugh, Phew, Barley-Magrew, Cuthbert, Hubert and ???.
>>|> 	And are these the real names ?.
>>
>>No it was Trumpton, Camberwick Green had the soldiers and the fort. Although some 
>>of the characters from Camberwick Green were in both Trumpton and Chigley.
>>

>	I think it was:

>	Hugh, Pugh, Barley-McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble, Grubb


	Pugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble, Grubb

[Unless, of course, you are talkin about the Greek alphabet, in which
case it is mu, nu, barney mcgrew etc.]

Philippa

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From: tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Trevor German)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Wurzel-Gummage
Keywords: Actor
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:31:10 GMT
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA


	Someone said the actor who played Cat-weezle moved on to
play Wurzle Gummage..... I thought that was John Pertwee...
From: salm@rad.psu.edu (Sally Laurent-Muehleisen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: The Avengers, Again
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:27:48 GMT
Reply-To: salm@rad.psu.edu
Organization: Penn State Astronomy and Astrophysics

In article 72sR02TM1eJe01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com, czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee) writes:
In article <1992Aug18.122935.14851@husc3.harvard.edu> koumis@husc4.harvard.edu (Anthony Koumis) writes:
>>
>>
>>Having just had cable installed, I am watching "The Avengers" for the
>>first time in my life.  Hence, before I ignored stuff about the show.
>>Now I am wondering, how long it was shown, whether John MacNee
>>and Diana Rigg where always the Avengers, and what is the deal with
>>Mr. Peel -- did he ever exist?   And what is "The New Avengers"?
>>
>>Thanks.

>I forget the name of the original lady, but she was played by Honor
>Blackman.

Mrs. Gail (or is that "Gale"?)

> Diana Rigg (Emma Peel) was the second one. As far as I can
>.remember her husband was off exploring the Amazon or some such and
>never appeared in the series. Mrs. Peel was written out when her
>husband returned, and the last that was seen of her was when she departed
>in a car that was presumably driven by the husband

..who looked a lot like Steed and drove a car like his....;-)
(Mr. Peel did appear in a shot of Steed looking out his window at the re-united
couple)

>Chris Lee

						-Sally Laurent-Muehleisen

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From: kfe@siesoft.co.uk (Keith )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Pallas
Date: 12 Aug 92 13:55:41 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Information Systems Ltd.
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mprice@ecr.mu.oz.au (Michael_Mcarthur PRICE) writes:
: 
: There is a show starting in Australia next week called Pallas. Can anyone tell
: me what it's about, and whether it is any good? I seem to remember reading
: somewhere that it's a sort of Royal soap opera.
: 
: Thanks in advance!
: Michael.
: 
: (By the way, it's on channel 9 on Tuesday at 10pm)

Pallas is a series of 10/12 episodes (can't remember exactly) of 5 and 10
minutes each.

If you got the series 'The amazing tales of Ferdinand de Bargos' (sp?) 
down in Oz, then this is along similar lines. The producers have taken
archive film of "The Royals in action" and dubbed over commentary and 
dialogue. 

It is well worth a look, but I would strongly recommend recording it so
that you can fully appreciate the bits you miss the first time around!


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From: jac54@cas.org ()
Subject: Re: The Avengers, Again
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:46:03 GMT

In article <72sR02TM1eJe01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.122935.14851@husc3.harvard.edu> koumis@husc4.harvard.edu (Anthony Koumis) writes:
>>
>
>I forget the name of the original lady, but she was played by Honor
>Blackman. Diana Rigg (Emma Peel) was the second one. As far as I can
>remember her husband was off exploring the Amazon or some such and
>never appeared in the series. Mrs. Peel was written out when her
>husband returned, and the last that was seen of her was when she departed
>in a car that was presumably driven by the husband.
>The 3rd lady was Tara King, played by Linda Thorsen.
>
>There was a follow up series several years later called The New Avengers,
>with McNee still playing Steed. There were 2 assistants. Joanna Lumley
>played the lady, and I think Gareth Hunt might have played the man.
>
>Chris Lee


	The first female companion was called Cathy Gale, but she was
	preceded (even before my time) by Patrick McGoohan as Steeds'
	companion.  There was also a number of episodes where Steed
	was on his Todd.

	Interesting to note how it went from a very dramatic (sometimes
	overdone) show to some real throwaway fun.

	Alec.
From: koumis@husc4.harvard.edu (Anthony Koumis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: The Avengers
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:25:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Aug14.152552.14736
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


I had never seen "The Avengers" until this last week when we got cable.
Since I had never seen it, I never read any of the postings on it.
Howver, now that we have gotten cable I am becoming a fan.  So I
am curious about how long it ran? (what years, the ones I have seen are
B&W from 1965), and was there ever a Mr. Peel?  And was it
always Steed and Mrs. Peel.  And what about this "New Avengers" stuff.
Thanks!
From: otten@quark.UMD.EDU (Neil Ottenstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Casebook of Sherlock Holmes
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:11:39 GMT

PBS viewers should take note that the odds are very high that their
local station will be showing the final episode of the recent series of
Casebook of Sherlock Holmes mysteries - "The Disappearance of Lady
Frances Carfax".  The PBS stattions in the MD/DC area have saved it for
the August pledge break.  MPT will be showing it on Thursday the 27th.

Neil Ottenstein
otten@quark.umd.edu
From: otten@quark.umd.edu (Neil Ottenstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Need B7 Episode!s! on VHS
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:49:04 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Aug14.121159.17261@cs.nott.ac.uk> epc@cs.nott.ac.uk (Elvis Presley's Corpse) writes:
>We're up to tape 22 (Stardrive/Animals) from the fourth season.  Only
>four more tapes to go!  The next two should be out in October and the
>last two in January and then in May(?) there'll be a video on The
>Making of Blake's 7. 
>
Well, I guess I am glad to see that Stardrive and Animals worked out to
be on the same tape.  They were my two least favorite episodes and I
think in the last poll they were pretty close to bottom for most of the
entries.  

Neil Ottenstein
otten@quark.umd.edu
From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: CARRY ON Columbus
Date: 9 Aug 92 11:58:40 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

dj@ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:

>Carry on, Sergeant" from the CO, thus launching some of the best and 
>worst comedies in UK history.
 ^^^^^
  There have been some "wonderfully" awful comedies over the years.
Can you nominate any CO's which join this "fine" group.

   The label "comedy-drama"  seems to be put on lots of films which are
poor drama and poor comedy!  The US doesn't seem to make comedy-comedies
much anymore (tho' I could be wrong), they seem to require an element
of drama or seriousness in them.  (Maybe zany-comedy would be a better
term than comedy-comedy).

Or maybe I am just getting US TV comedies mixed up with US film comedies.
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From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place)
Subject: Re: (New) Avengers Episode Guide???????
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:03:11 GMT

In article <5014@sersun1.essex.ac.uk>, woocm@essex.ac.uk (Chris Wood) writes...

} Is there an episode guide for The (new) Avengers available somehere?
} Short & sweet eh!

I just recently posted an AVENGERS episode title list which includes
THE NEW AVENGERS. If you want more than just the titles and broadcast
dates, find a copy of Dave Rogers' THE COMPLETE AVENGERS or THE ITV
ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ADVENTURE.

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From: marc@hemlock.cray.com (Marc Bouron)
Subject: Re: Bloody annoyed
Originator: marc@hemlock
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:36:48 CDT


In article <713713614.13216@minster.york.ac.uk>, pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
> If there was something I actually wanted to watch on ITV at 9-10 and
> 10:40-11:40 I'd probably video both halves and watch it on Sunday when there's
> nothing on.... I would imagine many people feel similarly.

Funny you should say that...  I shall be watching Blade Runner this weekend ;-)

[M][a][r][c]
From: tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Trevor German)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Hugh, Phew, Barley Magrew...
Keywords: Firemen
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:40:41 GMT
Organization: Imaging Systems Division, NCR Corp, Waterloo, Ont., CANADA


	Was it camberwick Green that had the happless firemen
	Hugh, Phew, Barley-Magrew, Cuthbert, Hubert and ???.
	And are these the real names ?.

	I always felt sorry for these boys. I remember them
	being called out on many an occasion and taking out
	their hoses (steady) only to find a cat in a tree or
 	some such. Does anyone know if they ever got to fight
	a fire.

	On an even older note.. Who can remember the Wooden-Tops
	with 'The biggest spotty dog you ever did see.' What were
	the names of the family members.
From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Hugh, Phew, Barley Magrew...
Date: 18 Aug 92 08:47:10 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

In article <1992Aug18.014838.20630@cs.wm.edu> ajn@physics.wm.edu (Alastair Neil) writes:

>In article 9811@ncrwat.Waterloo.NCR.COM, tjgerman@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Trevor German) writes:
>>      Hugh, Phew, Barley-Magrew, Cuthbert, Hubert and ???.
>                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>                                          , Dibble, Grub (I think).

We've done this one on uk.misc

The first name is either Hugh or Pugh (welsh pron. like pew in church)
The second name is Pugh (there may have been 2 Pughs, you see)
Barney McGrew [Barley! Hah!]
Yes it was Dibble & Grub

Now wait for the posts saying I'm wrong.....

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From: sbradley@wiz.outb.wimsey.bc.ca (Steve Bradley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Catweazle
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:49:17 PDT
Organization: Wizard Online

He went on to become the Crowman in the Worzel Gummidge series.

Regards...Steve


Wer wer oh wer arr wer zed wer hee wer ell


(Worzelese for Worzel)

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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Bloody annoyed
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:22:19 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre
Originator: netnews@uts.mcc.ac.uk

In article <713713614.13216@minster.york.ac.uk> pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:

>If there was something I actually wanted to watch on ITV at 9-10 and
>10:40-11:40 I'd probably video both halves and watch it on Sunday when there's
>nothing on.... I would imagine many people feel similarly.

Nothing on on sunday?  They're not gouing to show Nigel becominmg World 
Champion then?

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From: Robert.Hartill@cm.cf.ac.uk (Hmmm)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Bloody annoyed
Keywords: yale & pad
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:10:38 GMT
Organization: Computing Maths (COMMA), UWCC, Wales, UK

Andrew Cannon wrote...
>>>
One question, Why do ITV insist on showing their films at 21:00 with 40 minutes
of news stuck in the middle ?
<<<

They say..
Because they can't schedule all the film before 22:00
due to other regular programmes. A 22:40 start is too
late to attract a big audience.

>>>
I find it very distracting to watch a film in two bits, does anyone know if they
get many complaints about their format ?
<<<

I hate this format too.
They're going to do it to Bladerunner (tonight ?).
They only listen to ratings, not their viewers. I won't be watching.

 
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From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Bloody annoyed
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:38:07 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
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dave budd (zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <713713614.13216@minster.york.ac.uk> pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
: 
: >If there was something I actually wanted to watch on ITV at 9-10 and
: >10:40-11:40 I'd probably video both halves and watch it on Sunday when there's
: >nothing on.... I would imagine many people feel similarly.
: 
: Nothing on on sunday?  They're not gouing to show Nigel becominmg World 
: Champion then?
: 

Dave, of _course_ I watch the Murray & James show -- but there's that long
gap between the end of the race and anything else worth watching. I mean,
yesterday's Grandstand started off in fine form -- Hungarian GP, Formula 3,
BTCC... but then it degenerated into golf for the over-90s and bowls...

Pete
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