From: thompson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Can we get the details of the benchmark setup? Please!
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:09:29 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Dec14.212122.13214@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, brian@jaguar.cs.utah.edu (Brian Sturgill) writes:
> 
> I'm not overreacting, Tim appears to be on a campaign to slur NT.
> 
Tim?  On a slur campaign?  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.  Tim
is probably the most honest, fair, and respectable people on this 
conference.  Posting benchmarks is now grounds for slurring.  You 
need to settle down.

> The very fact he is benchmarking a _first_ beta drop against a "beta" that
> is due out in a couple of weeks in my view qualifies as FUD, especially
> since he did not point out that fact.  Running the benchmark itself

Accccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkk!!!  Like a fellow poster said...you're blind!
Tim took pains to point out that Microsoft does not recommend the beta
version of NT for benchmarks.  By the way, why is the NT beta a beat and
the OS/2 beta a "beta?"  

If you cry about benchmarking the NT beta against OS/2, then quit slamming
OS/2 with NT beta.  You talk up a big storm about how NT is superior to 
OS/2 with all these neat little design features under the hood, about 
how NT requires less resources than OS/2, about how NT support will be 
better, about how NT ISV's will run rampant over OS/2 ISV's, but when 
a benchmark comes out about the BETA you've been harping, you blow up.  
What do you want us to do?  Use the current feature set of NT and make
up performance numbers to compare with OS/2?  The fact is that NT right now
(which is what you constantly harp about--you always use the present 
tense in reference to NT) is not up to snuff performance wise with OS/2. 

> is not FUD, but to not point out the relative statuses of the OSes being
> tested is.  Also, if what I believe holds true, that NT is very
> poor in a few minor cases but reasonable in most, I think posting just
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> the overall number is FUD.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> I did not say that running the benchmark was FUD, I asked for a copy of
> the benchmark so I could try it on other hardware.
> I also said that the 40% figure was incorrect, that my usage experience
> says otherwise.  Win32 discontinued one form of Windows drawing mode, it
> is my guess that the benchmarks Tim ran used this mode, which is currently
> emulated very poorly, and that this wildly skewed the benchmark results.
> This should be evident from looking at breakout figures from the benchmark.
> There are perhaps other such minor problems.  The NT beta currently
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> feels like running under Windows 3.0.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Posting an overall number is FUD, but overall impressions from you are 
not.  One could say you purposely leave out the trouble areas.

> As to "I can get it too"... how?  I don't even know the version he is
> using.  Nor do I know where to get that version.
> 
>   > 
>   > If there is anyone wearing rose-colored glasses, it's you.  Now why don't
>   > you go perform your own benchmarks to counter Tim's.  Be sure you are as
>   > fair and thorough as he was, though, if you please. 
> 
> That's all I asked.... but Tim hasn't responded yet.
> 

Maybe Tim doesn't have a script running that instantly notifies him the
second a post of his is responded to.  Maybe he is on vacation...

[stuff deleted]

> 
> Brian
> -- 
> C. Brian Sturgill                          NeXTStep 486 is for _YOU_!!!!
> University of Utah                    Microsoft needs competition, but I want
> Center for Software Science          to be one of the many running Windows NT!
> brian@cs.utah.edu; CIS: 70363,1373    :-) :-) :-)  NT SDK: $69; (800) 227-4679

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