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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Real Guitarists
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:23:16 GMT

>
>         I know that Marty Friedman and Jason Becker are good friends. 
>I heard both Perpetual Burn by Becker (Friedman also plays in it) and
>Dragon's Kiss by Friedman.   Now, Friedman is playing for Megadeath. 
>What is Jason Becker doing?  I heard he has some sort of disease that is
>slowly paralyzing him.  That is a shame.
>
Last I heard, he was playing in David Lee Roth, but yes, he is suffering from
I think Lou Gehrig (sp?) 's disease and it will eventually kill him.

>
>               Secondly, on the question of pussy bands, I have one
>thing to say.  If a band plays tunes that either a) Want to be a hit
>(Top Ten), b)Want a teenage girl following,  or c)Must counter fast
>songs with a slow one on a record (especially love songs)...in my
>mind...they are a pussy band.
>
There's such a thing as putting variety on an album, so usually, to keep an 
album from being boring, a variety of tempos from song to song or within a
song are often employed. This is commonly practiced in classical music, and
many heavy metal bands have taken from that (as several heavy metal composers
studied classical music in their youth. Look at Steve Clark, Ronnie James Dio,
Alex Skolnick, for example. Certainly there are countless others.) so it's
not really "pussy music." Now, a disproportionate number of mushy ballads
would seem to indicate an inherent desire in a band to be multiplatinum artists
and be on hte front cover of every rock magazine and always be on MTV, etc.
Now, that would more probably fit under what you consider "pussy band," 
although I would prefer to just call consider it elevator music, because
that's just about what it's been reduced to, bereft of all potential
emotion.

>                        THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME!
>
Of course. No problem.

philip

PHILIP WANG pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu 
"On the other side jesters keep their watch, fifteen million lives ready to be
lost. We come from the northern headlands, the warriors of ice come to cleanse
the world, destroy the human sacrifice." - HOLOCAUST, "The Nightcomers"
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: st1sq@Rosie.UH.EDU (Charles Foster Kane)
Subject: Re: Top 5 most hated
Reply-To: st1sq@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:46:46 GMT

In article <0em8A5G00VoiE0plEV@andrew.cmu.edu>, Eric Scott Jefferson <ej0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>Man, you sure have it out for everyone, don't you?  Are you really so stupid
>>that you lump everyone into such generalities such as ALL college kids, ALL
>>teenage girls, etc, etc?   I'm offended that you are not only dumb enough to
>>categoriize me (as one of ALL college kids), but that you are rude enough to
>>to assume you know why I listen to what music I listen to.  Honestly speaking,
>>what the fuck would you know?  Who gave you God's insight into my head?
>
>Talk about easily offended. I am a college student myself so I'll
>generalize all I want. Now sure some college students here are into
>metal or hardcore rap or whatever but most of them are into whiny
>politcally correct music like David Byrne or Morrissey which has
>absolutely nothing going for it other than it's socially aware or they
>are into computer generated dance music which is not even music really
>since practically no one plays instruments or writes anything.
>
>>Then you've obvioulsly never listened to them.  No, they may not be metal and
>>maybe you don't like them, but they're a Hell of a lot more talented than most
>>bands out there.  I saw them live here at school and they just plain blew me
>>away!  Each member was remarkable.  Vernon Ried's improvised solos were even
>>better than the studio tracks, and Corey Glover sang a rendition of Amazing
>>Grace that was truly 'amazing'!  But, again, here you are over-generalizing
>>everyone and pretending to have some kind of Godly insight.  Let me just tell
>>you that they didn't bully anybody here.  And this is a very conservative,
>>white-skinned campus.  Again, how the fuck would you know?
>
>A friend of mine is a big Living Colour fan so I have heard Vivid and
>Time's Up over and over. I also saw them at Lollapalooza I. Yawn, color
>me unimpressed. Vernon Reid goes around continuously whining about
>racism in the music industry. Give fans some credit here! Many metal
>fans listen to Jimi Hendrix because he's good but they realize Living
>Colour sucks so that is not played on the radio. If it was good it would
>be. Corey Glover has this stupid soulless voice and their lyrics are
>incredibly pretentious and never go beyond the obvious. Read the review
>of them in SPIN last September. They are slammed and slammed hard so
>           ^^^^   it's not like I am the only one that feels this way.
            ^^^^

SPIN magazine.

Now >there's< a great source to support your argument.

SPIN is always overly extreme with their reviews. They either hail something as
the second coming of Christ, or they slam it as if they have some personal
vendetta against the artist.

They do have some cool interviews, granted. But the reviews are useless.
From: st1sq@Elroy.UH.EDU (Charles Foster Kane)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Body Count again
Date: 7 Oct 92 04:23:05 GMT
Reply-To: st1sq@Elroy.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston

The re-issue of BODY COUNT's debut album was supposed to come out today.

It was planned to have the song "Cop Killer" replaced by a new BC song called
"Freedom of Speech".....

...but Z-Rock reported that the "Freedom" song wasn't finished in time, so 
they kept "Cop Killer" on it.

I am looking for anyone who has got the new version of the CD. That's the only
way to find out, since the new version will probably be LABELLED "Without Cop
Killer"....even if it's *still* on the CD.

-thanks for any info.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:13:12 EDT
From: Sime <TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Top 5 most hated
 <Ielli7u00awJ82QEYE@andrew.cmu.edu> <92272.144148TLS129@psuvm.psu.edu>

Hmmmm looks like TLS129 missed out on the whole point of this thread;
to flame bands we don't like. He said what he didn't like and gave his reasons,
and his opinions, that's the whole point.


I dunno what bands I can't stand, but right now Def Leppard is really irritatin
g the hell out of me.  I take it these are suppose to be "hard rock" bands?
 Well, put Leppard in the top 5 somewhere for right now and their last 2 albums
.  If it was 1986 they'd probably be in my top 10 favorites... Sigh.

Hey Phil I gotta disagree with you on 2 counts, and I'm sure I'll catch hell
for this, but what the hell;  I like Damn Yankees and (yes, it's true) Vixen
as well.  Dunno why, I just do.

I can see where Dave Mustaine would be hated too, but I disagree. His "fuck
the world" attitude is probably why I like him so much.

So lessee, I'd have to say Firehouse, Warrant, Winger, Bon Jovi, Trixter, and
since I can't stop at 5, Def Lep, and all this grunge metal crap that's coming
out now too. Gosh I find this stuff annoying as hell.

Later,

             If there's a new way
             I'll be the first in line...


Sime
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: mortena@ifi.uio.no (Morten Amundsen)
Subject: Mechanix lyrics
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:43:12 GMT
Originator: mortena@kolsaas.ifi.uio.no



 Could someone please mail me the lyrics for Megadeth's 'Mechanix'???

 mortena@ifi.uio.no

 Thanks!


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From: merenda@remus.rutgers.edu (Kill Bon Jovi)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Top 5 most hated
Date: 3 Oct 92 19:07:45 GMT
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Top five hated bands-

1. BON JOVI
2. Jon Bon Jovi
3. Poison
4. warrant
5. BON JOVI. they sucked so bad that i had to put them in twice.


and you want a reason. ok. 
IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, these bands are just out to make money, look
pretty, and become really popular with 12 year old girls. 
well, like i said, that's just my humble opinion. 

-frank-

"YOU SUFFER BUT WHY?" -Napalm Death

"So many people are sleeping while standing up!" - Public Enemy
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: mortena@ifi.uio.no (Morten Amundsen)
Subject: Metallica and Wayne
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 08:25:51 GMT
Originator: mortena@kolsaas.ifi.uio.no



 Headbanger's Ball (Europe) yesterday was a Megadeth special, and it
 was pretty cool... In the 'Triple Thrash Treat' Megadeth selected
 N.I.N, The Almighty and Metallica (Enter Sandman). After Ellefson
 had selected Metallica's Enter Sandman, Mustaine said:

 'Wayne has made that video twice before.'

 Which one are that?? I know Queen has a video with a similar
 band footage in it, but I don't know if 'Wayne' made that one...

 Morten.

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Bruce vs. Paul (was:Re: Top 5 most hated)
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:12:23 GMT

>>
>>	I do have Iron Maiden and Killers somewhere, but I can hardly stand
>>listening to them often.  The music is in the early stages, not get as
>>gothic and progressive at the same time as it gets later on.  Di'anno
>>sounds some garage punk singer, and his lyrics were a little on the
>>cheesier side too.  Bruce rules.
>>
> Bruce is ok, but what's wrong with garage punk singers. I think
>Killers is one the best IM albums and Di'anno suits perfectly on it.
>It's just awesome straight forward intensive metal (or hard rock or
>whatever). Wratchild, Murders In the Rue Morgue and half acoustic
>Prodigal Son are classics, not to be forgotten as early stages 
>Iron Maiden songs.
>
On the LIVE AFTER DEATH album, I found that the only song Bruce did that was
originally written for Di'anno that was done much better than the original
was "Phantom Of The Opera" because Bruce's voice is better suited for the
vocal harmonizations, I guess. It's a different interpretation all together
for it. I preferred the atonal screams of some of the faster songs that
Di'anno did over Bruce's attempted singing over stuff like "Iron Maiden" or
"Wrathchild." Obviously, 'Arry wrote his songs for Di'anno when he was in
the band and for Dickinson when he replaced Di'anno.

philip
PHILIP WANG pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu 
"On the other side jesters keep their watch, fifteen million lives ready to be
lost. We come from the northern headlands, the warriors of ice come to cleanse
the world, destroy the human sacrifice." - HOLOCAUST, "The Nightcomers"
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:18:18 -0400 
From: Kendrick Kerwin Chua <kendrick+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: HELP: Black Sabbath's Live Evil

>Does anybody know who sings for Live Evil by Black Sabbath?
>Is it Ozzy or Ronnie? 
>I have never listened to the album but I saw it in a music catalog.
> 
>Dave
 
'Twas Ronnie, for sure.  The other live album (Live at Last) was Ozzy
before 1979.

A very good album.


Kendrick Kerwin Chua

kc3u+@andrew.cmu.edu    or
kendrick+@CMU.EDU

Cthulhu for President, 1992!
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From: merenda@remus.rutgers.edu (Kill Bon Jovi)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: a low down list: top five metal bass players
Summary: NAPALM DEATH & JOHN ZORN
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:37:14 GMT
Followup-To: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <1992Sep30.074650.10803@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>, chuck@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling) writes:
>
>    [STUFF DELETED re:bandwith ]
>
> >>
> >>>                                luv, Mel
> >>Hey, has anybody even heard of Les Claypool? None of the other bass players 
> >>even comes close in style, speed, accuracy and just sheer fun to him.  
> >>Primus IS worth listening too.  No, really, it is... try it and get back.
> >>     -??????????
> >
> >The guy who is definately the best is the bass player in the Rollins Band.
> >Go see them live before you comment. He is a giant!!!
> >
> >Mark
> 
> Thought of another bass player BILL LASWELL. Hear him on some of
> albums by Last Exit or especially on the albums by Painkiller
> which also have John Zorn and the drummer from Napalm Death on
> them.  Listen to this stuff before you judge other players.
> 
> Mark



YES! YES! YES! Someone's got a clue. Mick Harris (the drummer)
is BY FAR the best drummer around. ever. and this album
KICKS! also, check out John Zorn's "NAKED CITY". THIS is the
album to get if you really want to hear some serious playing. 
don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to piss anyone off, i'm jsut trying
to
stress what great musicians these people are. 

peace.
-frank-
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Organization: Sophomore, Chemistry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 22:21:06 -0400 
From: David-Hyung Suk Kim <dk3y+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: HELP: Black Sabbath's Live Evil

Does anybody know who sings for Live Evil by Black Sabbath?
Is it Ozzy or Ronnie? 
I have never listened to the album but I saw it in a music catalog.

Dave
From: donnell@polyp.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: HELP: Black Sabbath's Live Evil
Date: 27 Sep 92 18:24:45 GMT
Organization: none

In article <0elFeGq00iUyE4q3A0@andrew.cmu.edu> David-Hyung Suk Kim <dk3y+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Does anybody know who sings for Live Evil by Black Sabbath?
>Is it Ozzy or Ronnie? 
>I have never listened to the album but I saw it in a music catalog.
>
>Dave

There is a live album with each of them. "Live at Last" is with Ozzy.
"Live Evil" is with Dio.

					--Judex--
.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: donnell@barnacle.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Re: Top 5 most hated
Organization: none
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 17:29:39 GMT

In article <dxk21.92.717735906@po.cwru.edu> dxk21@po.cwru.edu (DaveK) writes:
>In article <1992Sep27.214348.43400@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> schrandt@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>From: schrandt@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
>>Subject: Re: Top 5 most hated
>>Date: 27 Sep 92 21:43:48 CDT
>>Hey, I like this idea:
>>
>>My 5 Most Hated bands (read: wanna be's):
>>1. Trixter
>>2. Firehouse
>>3. Bon Jovi
>>4. Mr. Big
>>5. Cinderella
>>
>>BTW, I'm sure that Winger will make several people's lists, and I'm
>>curious why everyone sees them as posers.  True, they're not very
>>HARD, but Morganstein on drums and Beach on the axe are really very
>>good.  Just a thought.  Flame away...-- 
>
>
>   how in the world can you say that winger is good because of reb beach
>and then include mr. big on your hated list?  of course, mr. big is not a
>metal band, and for that matter doesn't even get put in the heavy metal 
>stacks at record shops....  but paul gilbert and bill sheehan can play
>better on a bad night than the winger guys could ever dream of...  in 
>addition,if you listen to both mr. big albums all the way through, you'll 
>notice a definate unique sound and style... not like the pop-machine winger.
>
>
>l8r

I have to disagree mildly. I too listen to Winger from time to time, for 
Mr. Beach, and Mr. Morgenstein. Hell, Morganstein used to play with the
Dixie Dregs! He can play, I just wish thathe would show off more, but there
is only room in the Winger formula for Reb to show off. Still he is probably
drawing a larger paycheck with Winger than with the Dregs. Reb was
responsible for a lot of that tasty guitar in the background of Automobile
ads in the past few years, and did fine work on that last Twisted Sister
album <particularly on Wake Up The Sleeping Giant>. Not a great album 
but fine guitar work. so I disagree mildly. And I still like Mr. Big
far, far better...

					--Judex--
From: martin@pharaoh.cyborg.bt.co.uk (Martin Gorman)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: : 5 best guitarists
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:12:03 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

angelrat@next06csc.wam.umd.edu (...a gruesome) writes:

>In article <Buun57.Lq7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the  
>man ) writes:
>> This is an easy one:
>> 
>> 1.) Eddie VanHalen
>> 2.) Steve Vai
>> 3.) Dave Mustaine 
>> 4.) Alex Skolnick
>> 5.) Marty Friedman
>> 
>> (no particular order, and taking nothing away from early pioneers like  
>Jimi
>> Hendrix, Jimmy Page, etc.)
>> 
>> 							-the man

>while we're at it here's m,y five in order
>(*just* metal that is..)

> Nicko McBrain
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Away (VoiVod)
> Lars Ulrich..(every thing up to 'Justice..')
>  hate ulrich though...anyways..
>
I'm sure Iron Maiden's drummer will be dead chuffed at this unexpected
accolade.
From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Top 5 most hated
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:06:22 GMT
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University


>BTW, I'm sure that Winger will make several people's lists, and I'm
>curious why everyone sees them as posers.  True, they're not very
>HARD, but Morganstein on drums and Beach on the axe are really very
>good.  Just a thought.  Flame away...-- 

When WInger first came out, there were very much publicised by our good friends
MTV as ex-Alice Cooper members' band. I expected them to have a morbid sense of
humor or that kind of attitude in their music, but instead, we get another 
rehash of Def Leppard / Bon Jovi type metal, which after a while can get very
boring, especially on MTV when most bands shown there sound and look like that.
Reb Beach is pretty good, as is the keyboard guitarist (the guy plays both
instruments, but I can't remember his name). Kip Winger is probably their
biggest liability. He can sing, but his style isn't too new, and neither are
his lyrics. Plus he seems to be only playing low "E" and maybe "G" once in a
while on his bass - makes me wonder why he has the other three strings. 
That's about my complaint with Winger, and since I haven't heard their stuff
since the first album (OK, so I have their first album) and don't really
wish to, I won't comment any more.

philip
PHILIP WANG pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu 
"On the other side jesters keep their watch, fifteen million lives ready to be
lost. We come from the northern headlands, the warriors of ice come to cleanse
the world, destroy the human sacrifice." - HOLOCAUST, "The Nightcomers"
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: alcatrazz@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Brent Bowman)
Subject: Re: Yngwie J. Malmsteen
Originator: mbenson@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Keywords: Alcatrazz Yngwie Malmsteen Graham Bonnet Steve Vai
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:55:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.213728.1@pomona.claremont.edu> greg@pomona.claremont.edu (Tigger) writes:

>If anyone cares, Alcatrazz went on to record one more album, _Dangerous
>Games_, which was released in 1986.  It was pretty awful, in my opinion.
>I don't remember the guitarist's name, but I believe it was the same guy
>who replaced Steve Howe in Asia when he left to form GTR.  He was actually
>a pretty good player, but his parts were mixed so low that you couldn't
>really tell.  Graham Bonnett went on to sing for Impelliteri, whom I
>believe only released a single, self-titled album.  He then formed another
>band whose name I can't remember, but who have put out several albums,
>the first few of which are available only in Japan.
>
>--
>|  Greg Orman                         greg@pomona.claremont.edu  |
>|     A man's best friends:  a Harley, a Beretta and a Gund.     |


	The guitarist on the last Alcatrazz album "Dangerous Games" is
	Danny Johnson.

	Alcatrazz is my all time favorite band!
        Please help me find more Graham Bonnet stuff...

	I am still trying to locate Graham's stuff he recorded with
	"Marbles" and "Forcefield"

	I have the Rainbow, MSG, Impellitteri, and Alcatrazz stuff...
	(and I know he sang back-up on a couple songs on Pretty Maids
	"Futureworld" album)

	If you know of more, please let me know!

				--- Brent

Alcatrazz * Black Sabbath * Chastain * Crimson Glory * Dokken * Dream Theater
Fates Warning * Guy Mann-Dude * Helloween * Impellitteri * Iron Maiden * Keel
Leatherwolf * Lillian Axe * Loudness * Metal Chruch * Pretty Maids * Rainbow
    Ratt * Ronnie James Dio * Savatage * Shok Paris * Slayer * Testament 
 	    Vicious Rumors * Y&T * Yngwie Malmsteen * Zebra 

    	         alcatrazz@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu    
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: alvstad@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Joel D Alvstad)
Subject: Re: name this song
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:34:48 GMT

In article <BvD6q3.G4s@egsner.cirr.com> datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri) writes:
>There's a song being played on Z-rock these days that's fairly slow,
>with words that include something like:
>
>"I don't mind stealing bread / from the mouths of decadents"
>
>In typical Z-rock fashion, they haven't given me so much as a clue as to
>the name of the song or the band.  Ideas?  (mail response, please.  I'm
>at 2400 while my WB is being fixed)

The song is called "Hunger Strike" and is performed by a group called Temple of
the Dog, which is composed of members of Pearl Jam and Soundgarden.

Joel Alvstad


Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: cuz@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Cousin It)
Subject: Re: Extreme Suprise
Organization: Metal Maniacs Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 07:39:57 GMT

yt22+@andrew.cmu.edu (Youssef D. Tuma) writes:

>              3. In Color Me Blind, the intro is to show all those
>stupid Top 40 listeners that you need to not only know how to sing (They
>mock Color Me Badd), but also jam and write your own music to really be
>respected as a musician.

	Hmmmm, thats interesting. I didn't know Color Me Badd exited
in 1986. Considering I have a live recording of this song from that
year, and the verion on the album is not to disimilar to the live
version (including the acapella opening) I tend to think you are wrong
about this so called hidden meaning.

Cousin It                                          cuz@cs.brandeis.edu
"This is like saying how likely am I to jump over a tall building in a
  single bound - unlikely. This is like asking is lightning going to
      strike here in the next two seconds - I don't think so"
   -Ross Perot, on whether he'll re-enter the Presidential race
From: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Flamers
Date: 28 Sep 1992 06:16:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu




Ooh, this place is getting hot, all these gay vs not flames...

                                          
                                        Moses

   
-- 
 | |^\   /\   \   |   \   |   /| | |\   +--- \   | "Ask for thyself another
 | | / /    \ | \ |   | \/|  X | | | \  |--  | \ |  kindom, for that which
 | | \ \____/ |  \|   |   | / \| | |__/ \___ |  \|  I leave is too small 
      \           |       |                      |  for thee"
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