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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 Grade Report: "Emissary"
Date: 12 Jan 1993 12:52:26 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <1isn7qINNaok@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) writes:
[
In article <1993Jan11.135216.615@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>> On the whole, as I said, "Emissary" seemed to be business-as-usual.
>> 
>> Grade: C-
>
>On the whole, what you said seemed to be your business-as-usual.
>Nothing new, nothing intelligent.  Just a rather pedantic "destroy 
>everything in the show" review.  Your approach to reviewing rarely works
>for me under nearly all circumstances, and you leave me not only cold,
>but frigid.  
>
>You've made it plainly clear; you don't and never did like TNG, and you
>seem determined to not like DS9 no matter what they do.  Your only purpose
>in posting here, it seems to me, is to get a bundle of kicks for yourself
>at the expense of the reputations of many at Paramount.  
>If you don't like the series, stop watching.
>
>Steven.K.Manfred

Steven ... you're ignorance is truly remarkable.  Michael is widely regarded
as one of the most intelligent, unbiased reviewers in this group.  If you
are unable to appreciate and respect his informed commentary, then simply
restrict yourself to those messages which simply espouse the party line
(i.e., virtually every episode is an A, and there's never been anything
lower than a B).  Moronic comments (like your's) which categorize every
negative reviewer as "posting only to get a bundle of kicks", only
highlight your ignorance.
]

I think both of you have gotten a bit carried away.  Although I won't
argue against Michael's intelligence, I don't think it's accurate to
say he's unbiased (not that I am either).  It does seem to me that
Michael has a bit of an axe to grind against TNG, and I've come to
take that into account when I read his commentary.  I am certainly
aware that TNG has flaws, but I am not aware of any series that does
not.  On the whole, I think TNG is one of the best written, well-produced
shows on television - that's why I watch it.  Consequently, when I
sit down to view an episode, I do so with anticipation and optimism.
Michael, on the other hand, seems to view it with an eye toward
finding fault, so I think he misses much of the beauty.

As reviewing tends to be very subjective, I cannot get very upset
at Michael - he calls them as he sees them.  I don't expect to change
his overall opinion, and I sincerely hope he doesn't expect to change
mine.

I must admit, I do wonder sometimes why he continues watching the show,
as he does not seem to enjoy it much.

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From: jeffb@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca (jeff bamford)
Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Organization: Audio Research Group, University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:26:57 GMT

	I guess we're lucky that they're not using Roman Numerals like we
do for the movies, that would make it : ST:DSIX.



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From: jnlong@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey N Long)
Subject: Re: The Counselor in Uniform
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 21:10:49 GMT

Yea, like Jim Kirk and Will Riker :)

jl
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From: trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao)
Subject: Re: Kira - ick
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 09:47:23 GMT

In article <ewright.726735710@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>In <1993Jan9.003158.27136@leland.Stanford.EDU> trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao) writes:
>
>>I disagree.  I though Kira's character was played quite well by Nana Visitor,
>>and although she may have, at times, had a tendency to overact, 
>
>!
>
>To say the least.
>
>
>>I think this
>>is only natural considering the nature of her character (an incredibly
>>passionate freedom fighter). 
>
>Even incredibly passionate freedom fighters have ways of showing
>those passions besides screaming at the top of their lungs (when
>played by competent actresses.)

If you're saying that Nana Visitor is not competent, I think you're WAY off.
Sure, she may be a little rough around the edges (or smooth, depending on
which way you see it), but I see a spark in he that I don't see in many
other actresses.

Flame if you will.

Sanjai Rao.

-"What sheilds?"-


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From: obrien@netcom.com (No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB)
Subject: Re: Space Rangers SUCKS BIG TIME!!!
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 01:49:23 GMT

Maybe it sucks, and I already taped over it, but my impression from memory
is that the music was better then DS9

which is not saying much.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 12 Jan 1993 15:20:44 EST
From: Jon Carr <IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Q's rank ??

In article <930111.181919@ia.ph.bham.ac.uk>, HR-5@ia.ph.bham.ac.uk (Connor
MacLeod (of the Clan MacLeod)) says:
>
>On an episode I saw recently (TNG) in which Q featured,
>(I don't remember the name though it starred a young lady also from the
>continuum) Q appeared on the enterprise in a starfleet uniform
>carrying five pips, what is this and how come he was so quickly
>demoted in a later scene where he has only four ??

Five pips would denote a rank of Commodore.  This was hovever, more likely
to be a screw-up on the part of TNG's wardrobe folks.


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From: myleslee@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (Alan Brady Ward)
Subject: Re: You Call That Torture?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:07:43 GMT

I was just thinking, since Picard has already been converted into a borg  
at one point in his life and gone through all that trauma, Cardassian  
torture should be a walk in the park for him??

Just a thought.

Al
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From: marchini@ds10.scri.fsu.edu (Juan Marchini)
Subject: Re: Stolen From Outer Limits?
Reply-To: marchini@ds10.scri.fsu.edu (Juan Marchini)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:35:24 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.045305.27553@netcom.com> rrunnern@netcom.com (Road Runner) writes:
>Wolf-359, where the Borg battle was fought, just happens to be the
>title of an OUTER LIMITS episode (playing tonight on PBS chan 54 in
>the SF. Bay Area.)

well, what's it about?
From: 00jlrushton@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Slug thing you make heart sing!
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:50:05 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


Well sir is okay to call her...
Its better than HEY YOU BIG UGLY MILITARY DYKE THING!

Well I rest my case!

Well KEEP ON TRILLING YOU WORM MAGGOTS! HA!

Stimpi the one that hates orbs and slugs!
From: margaret@cs.arizona.edu (Margaret Newman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Riker Takes Command!
Summary: my guess
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:24:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.142914.22269@newssun.med.miami.edu>, dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
> In article <1993Jan4.171856.17438@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> plant@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
> 
> >Send in your guesses; maybe we can influence Stewart to resign
> >by scaring him that someone worthy is set to replace him!
> 
> How about Sean Connery?  He's bald too!

How about Dom DeLuise?  He's bald (-ing).  He'd be great.  He'd tell
jokes, crack every body up, and if there was a stressful moment, he'd
make everybody take a lunch break.  Oooh, more pasta!

How about a female?

Kirstie Alley ...Cheers is over with, so maybe she could transport over.
		A Saavik type.  That would be great grist being half-Romulan.

That's just my terrible sense of humor.

--->Margaret
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From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung)
Subject: Re: Fox and DS9?
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:52:58 GMT

CHD@HERMES.ECE.ARIZONA.EDU (Chris De Young) writes:
>rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:
>
>> Star Trek: Deep Space Nine is being released directly into syndication,
>> following a recent trend in television to avoid long-term gambles with
>> networks and make a quick dash for the cash. DSN is particularly suited to
>
>Actually I believe that ST:TNG started out this trend, and that it was 
>originally done to avoid allowing the networks any control over the scripts
>or production of the series.  They would make the series the way they wanted 
>it, and individual stations could pick it up or not as they wished.

They by no means started it.  Previously game shows and C-list sitcoms had
dominated the market, however, and TNG was merely the first DRAMATIC show
to be a big syndie success.  In addition, Paramount had plans to start a
network of their own.  

>Star Trek had of course been shown by this time to be a pretty reliable market
>anyway; doing without the network contract wasn't much of a gamble on
>Paramount's part. 
>
>-Chris


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From: cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma)
Subject: Re: Vulcan Captain??? (Major Mistake!!!)
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 17:27:59 GMT

POSSIBLE SPOILERS...




















abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:


>The moment I saw the Vulcan captain on the Saratoga (sp?) my mind went
>crazy! I knew I had seen him somewhere, and I couldn't figure it out until
>practically the end of the show. Everytime he showed up, I got a little
>closer to figuring it out until it finally clicked... he was the guy
>seating next to the Admiral when Wesley was explain the "accident" at Star
>Fleet Academy!

>Now how the hell did the captain die at Wolf 359 and then show up at the
>Academy. I find it hard to believe that anyone escaped Wolf 359 (The Borg
>were pretty thorough.) but Emissary made it pretty clear that the Vulcan
>was dead. Have I overlooked anything?

Maybe just the fact that they used the same actor twice. Sorry to really
disappoint you, but I'm quite sure that they didn't mean it to be the same 
character.

		CtB
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 19:15:12 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
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SPOILERS, BUG OUT NOW!!!!

  As to Kira being principled or selfish or ready to sacrifice the whole 
station, I have some thoughts.

  She was certainly taking a big risk, but if you watch carefully, she was
trying to BLUFF the Cardassians, to make them hesitate, to make them think that
she WOULD take them with her and the whole station if need be.  Also, just
before the wormhole opened up, it looked to me like she was about to surrender
rather than see the station and its inhabitants destroyed.  Remember, she had
asked that the Card commander be signaled.  THEN the wormhole opened and she
got to tell him off instead of give up.

  Granted, she took it further than was required.  She should have given in 
*immediately* after taking some real damage, to preserve lives.  They were
just damn lucky the writers decided not to kill anybody...So, not selfish,
just a risk-taker.  But she would have given in to save the station.


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: DS9 Dax vs TUC Dax **NO SPOILERS**
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:10:19 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan7.145640.14291@umiami.ir.miami.edu> tsellers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>
>Also...wasn't the ensign framed for the murders of the Klingon emissaries 
>in ST:VI named Dax?  If so, I'd like a future episode to either confirm 
>or contraindicate whether it was the same Dax.  This could be interesting.
>
I know that its tough to advance in todays Starfleet, but isn't 75+ years to
make Lt. a bit extreme?
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From: marchini@ds10.scri.fsu.edu (Juan Marchini)
Subject: Re: Deep Review 9: "The Emissary" (SPOILERS)
Reply-To: marchini@ds10.scri.fsu.edu (Juan Marchini)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University
Distribution: world,local
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 03:45:48 GMT

In article <79521@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
>In article <1993Jan7.215630.3192@cci632.cci.com> tvf@cci632.cci.com (Tom Frauenhofer) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>>Lessen the mass using a shield of some kind?  Sorry, I don't buy it.
>>And I agree about the stupid bubble.
>
>Hmmm.  I must have been getting the Coke when that part was mentioned.
>I missed the "lessen the mass" part.  One other poster mentioned in was
>once on another episode.  The only time I remember it being mentioned was
>in Q-??? (episode where Q loses his powers).  They needed to move a moon,
>and asked Q how to do it.  He said "Just change the gravitational constant
>of the universe."
>
>I think it was funny then, but to change the mass of the station with shields
>is, as you said, hokey.
>


umm, this is exactly how a starship can travel light speed and beyond. they
use the warp nacelles to warp space and place the ship into what they call
"sub-space" which makes the ship lighter than it is in normal space and
therefore allows travel faster than would normally be allowed.  so i didn't
think this was at all hokey, being that this concept is used practically
every time a starship moves.


[stuff deleted]

juan
From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Calling Women "Sir"
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:56:10 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <C0Iqwx.CGr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> dawn@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Dawn Owens-Nicholson) writes:

>I hate it when they call women "Sir" or "Mister."
>What it says to me is this: Positions of respect are
>reserved for men.  For women to gain these positions,
>they must become honorary or symbolic men.  They 
>must become "sirs" because "ma'ams" are not respectable.

>Know what I'm saying?

Not at all.  "Sir" was used as a courteous form
of address for men and women up until (at least)
the 16th Century.  The idea that a "sir" is
automatically male is purely modern.
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From: noe@cs.uiuc.edu (Roger Noe)
Subject: Re: DS9: Who played "Jennifer"?
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Comp Sci, Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:27:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.224749.3384@bogart.uucp> cjaeger@bogart.uucp (Cecilia Jaeger) writes:
>	As the subject says, I'd like to know who played Jennifer on
>Deep Space Nine. She was Sisko's "deceased" wife.  I believe she is
>an actress from "Days of Our Lives". But I missed her name in the 
>credits. Did anyone get it?

From the credits posted to rec.arts.startrek.info:
>Felecia M. Bell				[Jennifer Sisko]
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From: jt2n+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Trivelli)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9: Music == BLECH
Date: 9 Jan 93 19:57:15 GMT
Organization: Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:

>>The subject says it all: the music underwhelmed me....but so did the show,
>>so what the hell.

>Actually, I thought the theme was not only quite good, but very
>appropriate for the setting.  It was sort of mysterious.  It's
>certainly an emotional piece.  Try turning it up and "getting into it"
>a little and you'll see what I mean.  Then again, I'm listening to it
>on a 100wpc high-end stereo system, not the single 3" speaker in most
>folks' TVs.  Perhaps the latter just doesn't do it justice.
>The show isn't about a glorious exploration mission, and likewise the
>theme should have the feel of a march, like the TNG theme does.  I'd
>have been disappointed if it had been a fast-tempo tune.

>Those with some musical experience should be able to pick up the
>"inside joke" of the theme -- that is combines many elements of the
>TNG and TOS themes, though at a slower tempo to help disguise them.  I
>sort of wish the credits had containted the name of the person (or
>people) who put it together.

>As for the show, well, chacun a son gout.  I liked it.  As pilots go,
>it has far surpassed any sci-fi show, and probably any show on TV.
>Remember "Encounter at Farpoint"?  Puh-leeze...

>One question (since many people made this comment about the show): How
>can the role of a Bajoran woman be over-acted? ;) Kira is much less
>tame then Ro, I admit, but them again Ro has spent years in Starfleet
>and in jail.  Kira has spent years killing Cardassians.  But maybe I
>just like women with attitudes... ;)
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>-----------------Greg-Harp----------------harp@netcom.com------------------

Maybe we shouldn't talk about opening themes too much. I think
the composers are probably given strict guidelines for that.
That's understandable (i say that with strong reservations).
The more pertinent issue is the background music.
TNG and DS9 have the opportunity to do some
really interesting stuff with their background
trax. Why do they continually opt for safe,
run of the mill, blase, banal, melodramatic
sounding stuff. Do they think they're making a
soap opera? Judging by some of the plots TNG has
used, I am tempted to say yes. It's really quite
pathetic. The only thing that makes TNG and DS9
different from any other TV show is the special
effects. And that is simply not enough. I wish that
the makers of TNG and DS9 (scratch DS9.. i need to give
it a chance yet, right?) would realize
that they should be making science fiction...
not "Days of Our Lives...but in Space."

J
 T

where's Keiko?
who cares?!?!
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From: meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Mark Brodsky)
Subject: Re: The Final Star Trek Movie?
Reply-To: mark-brodsky@nwu.edu
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:44:47 GMT

In article <C0Jqzx.161@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> rusbasan@expert.cc.purdue.edu  
(Bob Rusbasan) writes:
> In article <3ZTXwB1w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> denisf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca  
(Denis Fafard) writes:
> >  Yup, it's been bouncing around.  Last Sept when the Creations Star 
> > Trek convention came to town, Marina Sirtis, among others, said that
> > ST VII was a definite go. No actors were announced, although it was
> > said that this would be the final one, a crossover movie from TOS to
> > TNG.  
> 
> The final one, huh?  That can call it
> *** Star Trek VII: The Final Chapter -- Part III ***
> since part V and VI were also said to be the final movies.

I thought STVII was going to be about Captain Sulu's adventures aboard the  
Excelsior. Has anyone heard anything on this rumor?
From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:36:20 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <93007.45689.L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM+ L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
+This may be a dumb question but why aren't there any black aliens?
+All Ferenghi (sp?)  appear to be the same color.  Klingons have minor
+shading and ridge differences but are predominantly the same color.
+Any black Betazoids?  Black Romulans?  Vulcans?  Sure that tar-thing
+that killed Tasha Yar was black but it dosen't count.  It was pure
+evil and hatred.  Are humans the only species with skin color
+variations?  Oh, yeah, I forgot about the black/white white/black guys
+that were fighting in ST:TOS.

There were black aliens in that episode where Tasha Yar was kidnapped.
I think the title was something like "A Matter of Honor".  Of course,
the portrayal was not really a positive one.  Let's have some advanced,
superintelligent black aliens!

Tim
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From: sh09@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (STEVEN HIGGINS)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Final Star Trek Movie?
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:04:46 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1993Jan8.214447.24063@news.acns.nwu.edu>, meb@sally.acns.nwu.edu (Ma
rk Brodsky) writes:
>
>I thought STVII was going to be about Captain Sulu's adventures aboard the
>Excelsior. Has anyone heard anything on this rumor?
>
    Any bets on whether his helmsman has a French sounding name but a
    British Accent?????

    :-)
-- 

~Steve
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