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Subject: Re: Elvin Jones
From: kenz@local.host
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:56:10 -0600
Reply-To: kenz@local.host
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.

In article <1k987qINNjva@hpfcbig.sde.hp.com>, mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella) writes:
>kenz@local.host wrote:
>
>:     A friend of mine saw him recently in Minneapolis with a kind of Tribute to
>: Coltrane thing.  Javon Jackson was in the band.  He said Elvin was terrible,
>: there was no balance between the drumming and other instrumentalists.
>
>Is this friend someone who otherwise appreciates Elvin?  I mean, that's been a
>criticism of guys like Elvin (and Tony Williams, and Art Blakey...) since Day
>One.  Does your friend mean, there was less balance than usual?  Also, is it
>possible the problem wasn't with Elvin, but instead with the sound system?

======================================================
  Yes, he especially appreciates Elvin Jones, which was why he was so
disappointed with Jones' showboating.  A powerful drummer is one thing, not
interacting with your fellow musicians is another.  On that night at least,
Jones and/or the band weren't in sync.  I think we can agree most musicians
have off nights!  And yes, the sound system may have been poor - although it
was at a reputable venue known for presenting quality jazz in the Twin Cities.  

While we're on Elvin Jones, wouldn't you agree with me that many of Jones' post
Coltrane solo efforts have been less than stimulating?  The only one I have
really enjoyed is the LP he did with Jan Hammer called "On the Mountain." 
There are a couple with Joe Farrell that I think are frankly boring.  Please
don't get me wrong, though, I really do enjoy much of his work.  I have thought
of him as a bridge from the Art Blakey school to drummers like Rashied Ali,
Sunny Murray, and Milford Graves.  He utilizes a hard-driving pulse with enough
surpises and cross-rhythms to suggest both discipline and freedom.  That is why
I mentioned the "Reunion" LP with McCoy Tyner - it works!
>  ==========================================================
>: He also
>: said the mostly young band was very weak except for Jackson.
>
>Yawn.  I still don't understand why people are so high on this guy, and I'm
>sure William will find it somewhat ironic to travel thousands of miles to see
>a band whose only strong player is someone he used to be able to catch locally
>all the time anyhow...
===============================================================================

   I'm not quite sure what you mean by this.  But every once in awhile 
local players DO play inspired music!!   And I agree, Javon Jackson hasn't
produced much which has caught my ear - 

Bill Kenz
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From: jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: The Chronological Ellington (Classics)
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:32:53 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1993Jan20.115938.644@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes:
> In article <RSHAPIRO.93Jan19115953@kariba.bbn.com>, rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:
>> How far along is the reissue series The Chronological Ellington, on
>> the Classics label? The last one I've seen around here covers 1933
>> through very early 1935. I'm personally most interested in what comes
>> next: the rest of 1935 through the end of 1937, since this period is
>> currently very poorly documented.  Are any of these out? Should I bug
>> the local record store to get them?
> 
> Their catalog lists
> 
> 659:  1935-1936
> 666:  1936-1937
> 673:  1937
> 
> This morning, I saw #666 in the racks at Tower Boston.
 And *this* morning I saw 673 in the racks at Tower Cambridge.
From: gwl@specialist.genrad.com (Glenn W. Lea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Elvin Jones
Date: 28 Jan 93 12:41:58 GMT
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
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In article <1993Jan27.220134.15543@colorado.edu> mciver@kibblesnbits.cs.colorado.edu (William McIver Jr.) writes:
>I really want to see Elvin and I know he probably won't
>come to Denver/Boulder area anytime soon.
>
>Does anyone know what he is up to these days?
>
>Is he playing in your city any time soon?
>No Elvin gig is too far :).
>
>Let me know (email is fine).
>

I saw him last summer at an outdoor show.  He had Ravi Coltrane and a
fine trumpeter whose name I can't remember.  The music was basically
hard bop, a couple of Trane tunes, played very well.  No fireworks,
but a fine way to spend a Sunday afternoon under the trees.  Elvin
remarked near the end, however, that he had learned a lesson:  wine
and sun don't mix.  So that may have been a factor.  He was clearly
overwhelmed by the size and enthusiasm of the audience, which was
touching.

He's playing in Cambridge this spring, though I don' have the date
handy.

Glenn
From: andys@Ingres.COM (Andrew Sherman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Penguin Guide: Short Review & 5 Star Recordings
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:08:11 GMT
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501

wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery) says:
> 
> First of all, it definitely worth getting for any jazz fan. 1200 pages of
> reviews of in print recordings, organized by artist, with the recordings
> for each artists reviewed as a set, rather than as independent reviews,
> plus some biographical information on the artists. I think if everyone
> on r.m.b had a copy, bandwidth would go down noticably because we
> wouldn't be answering questions (what are the 2-3 essential Ornette
> records?).
> 
> On the other hand there are enough controvertial ratings there to more
> than replace the saved bandwidth with debates on what Penguin has to say.
> ("Do you believe what Penguin said about Ornette's NEW YORK IS NOW?
> Thin and directionless? Those guys wouldn't know a great record
> if they tripped over it" etc., etc.--and no, I don't want to start
> that debate :-).)
I have to say this book is a must for all jazz fans, and I've only haad
it a few hours.  Incidentally, I got my copy in Crown books, so I think
we can assume it'll be in most places this week.

One thing I really like is that there is a consistent voice (or
should that be two voices?). It's not like the Rolling Stone Jazz
Record Guide where you don't know if the reviewer of any particular
artist is their biggest fan or their worst enemy. And that's another
thing, it's good that it's so personal. I hate those lists that go
	Kind of Blue
	Giant Steps
	Out of the Cool
	Portrait in Jazz
	etc.
cos there's no personality. With this books there are
idiosyncrasies, it's worth discussing.

Also, what should we call it? "Penguin" sounds silly.  How about
"Cook and Morton"?
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Andrew Sherman (andys@ingres.com) 
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From: gwl@specialist.genrad.com (Glenn W. Lea)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: info on Maria Muldower (sp?)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 08:01:12 -0500
Organization: GenRad, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: specialist.genrad.com
Keywords: blues, new orleans, blacktop

In article <205@steiny.com> steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny) writes:
>aldrich@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jeff) writes:
>
>>Just heard a nice cut on one of the local member-supported stations,
>>Maria Muldower (however the name is spelled) singing "Don't You Feel
>>My Leg", backed up by Dr. John on piano.  What a great voice this 
>>lady has!   Can anyone correct my ignorance in her regard?  Thanks,
>
>	To each their own, but my favorite Maria Muldaur stuff is when
>she was with the Jim Kweskin Jug Band.   Catch "I'm a Woman"
>
>-don
>-- 
>Don Steiny
>Don Steiny Software
>Santa Cruz, CA 95060
>(408) 425-0382

She had a brief fling with fame in the 70's with "Midnight at the
Oasis" and released 3 albums, with some pretty great musicians (Benny
Carter played and did some arrangements on one of them; Dr. John was
there as well).  "Don't You Feel My Leg" was one of the high points of
her first album ("Oasis") and is reprised on her new one on Black Top
(I forget the title, but it should be easy to find).  It's a New
Orleans flavored album with support from Dr. John, a couple'a Neville
Brothers and other NO musicians.  I picked it up based on a positive
review and am quite happy with it, though I admit it's a guilty
pleasure.  She does have a very unique voice, which she has taken care
of -- she sounds very good these days.

Glenn
From: jayb@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Jay Brown)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:06:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Singers
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote

In rec.music.bluenote, corman@Ingres.COM (Anthony Corman) writes:

>But I admit to being very crabby on the subject; I've worked with
>lots of crummy jazz singers.

What makes for a crummy jazz singer?

Jay Brown hpgrla!jayb 303-350-4630
From: wratchle@unity.ncsu.edu (William R. Atchley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: penguin guide to recorded jazz
Date: 24 Jan 93 15:35:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1993Jan24.153518.10441
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Carolina State University Computing Center

In article <1993Jan23.020449.13792@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> wjh@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (william.j.hery) writes:
>dschaefe@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Don Schaefer - Economics;S28754) writes:
>>last week there was a discussion of the penguin guide to
>>recorded jazz. my local bookseller investigated and could
>>only find penguin's Jazz on CD LP and Cassette by Cook and 
>>Morton (isbn 0140153640) which would not be available
>>until may 1993. is this the penguin guide to recorded jazz?
>
>The title, author and publisher are right, but my copy has no ISBN in it!
>I got mine from a local Barnes and Nobles, but the main NY Barnes and
>Nobles book store in NYC should also have it, and they do mail order.
>Check NYC (area code 212) directory assistance for the number.
>
>As for why mine has no isbn and why your bookseller says not till May, I
>don't know. Maybe B&N just has books shipped from England and there will
>be a "US" printing, complete with ISBN? Mine does have the price in pounds,
>US $ (22.50, but B&N discount 10%), and Canadian $.
>
I got a copy of the Penguin guide at B. Daltons.  They had a stack of
them so they must exist in even North Carolina.  My copy has the
following ISBN number 0-14-015364-0.
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From: jdough@sinkhole.unf.edu (Joseph Dougherty)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Presidential Bash Sham
Keywords: jazz clinton blech taxes
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:23:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville

In your article, you made the following comment:
>>
commercial...  Its amazing how the media gave prime coverage to that
little kid from Home Alone or Warren Beaty and Annette Benning, but
cut to commercial during this most amazing display of talent
mid-performance.  Its not surprising, just sad.
>>

	I noticed that you mentioned your vote for Clinton.
Perhaps, in a way to raise revenue for all these new programs he's going to 
start, he can be convinced to sell federally-produced videotapes of the
jazz set, with the revenue going to some program. I'd be willing to
pay for that if he didn't extract any more from my paycheck.

	Just the loyal opposition chiming in <G>.

cheers
Joe Dougherty
jdough@unf6.cis.unf.edu
From: gel@sys.uea.ac.uk (Gareth Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Clinton raises the dead at inaugural
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:51:27 GMT
Organization: UEA School of Information Systems, Norwich, UK.

gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon) writes:

>Readers of the Denver Post were happy to read that President Clinton sat in
>last night with an all-star band of Herbie Hancock and Thelonius Monk.

Thelonious Monk Jr. the next generation in the Monk dynasty - as if there
could be another!!

Gareth Lee.
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Presidential Bash Sham (OR: how i became a republican
Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:13:22 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: hptrane.fc.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.2 PL6]

Benjamin Weiner (bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu) wrote:
: 
: Evan Parker is probably one of the few musicians who could really do
: justice to the supposed "melody" of our national fight-song.

I would hope so - the "melody" was supposedly borrowed from a British drinking
song.

If Jack Kemp gets David Murray to endorse him, though, I hereby declare him the
next president.

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From: niklas@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE (Niklas Aagren Royal Inst. of Technology)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Stan Getz, Best of Verve Years, Vol. I
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:27:13 GMT
Reply-To: niklas@LINK.Physchem.KTH.SE
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm

In article <0fNNcNK00YVX838Y1y@andrew.cmu.edu>, Eugene Kuo <ek1i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Hello!
>
>I was wondering what you all can tell me about the aforementioned set? 
>I don't know much about Mr. Getz, and have heard very little of his
>recorded output.  Suggestions for better Getz albums?  Compillations? 
>Labels?  Any and all input welcome.  Thanks in advance!
>
>eugene

Of course there's a huge amount of brilliant recordings by Getz.
He's gone through several musical phases through the years.
Getz more or less defined Cool Jazz. The following are just 
a few personal recommendations, with wich I doubt you will be
unsatisfied:

In the early sixties he launched the bestseller Jazz-Samba albums
in collaboration with A.C. Jobim (gtr) and Astrud Gilberto (voc)
Luiz Bonfa (gtr) Maria Toledo (voc) et.c. this was the lift-off 
for Bossa Nova.
Example: Jazz Samba Encore! Recorded 1963, released on Verve.

More recent vinyls:
Voyage (Black Hawk 1986)  Except Getz: Kenny Barron (piano)
                                       George Mraz (bass)
                                       Victor Lewis (dr)
                                       *great tracks*

Poetry (Elektra Musician 1984)   Piano-Sax Duo 
                                 With the late Albert Dailey
                                 *this is a set with 7 loved
                                  jazz standards*

A short time before Getz died he recorded
a double-CD called "People Time". People say that 
it is the best he ever made. I leave that judgement to you, but
it's  good investment.

This is something to begin with

regards

Niklas Agren
Dept of Applied Thermodynamics
Royal Institute of Technology, Stockolm, Sweden
From: seale@bcserv.wustl.edu (Seale (Jeff))
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Millie Jackson, Tyrone Davis
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:44:03 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcserv.wustl.edu


B.B. King is coming to St. Louis Feb. 26th (I got 10th row seats!).
The advertisement listed guests Millie Jackson and Tyrone Davis. 
Has anybody seen this show? Who are these other performers and what kind
of show can we expect from them?
Thanks,
   Jeff
From: prestonm@cs.man.ac.uk (Martin Preston)
Newsgroups: rec.music.bluenote
Subject: Re: Miles Davis BLOW on Warner
Date: 22 Jan 93 08:14:59 GMT

In <1993Jan20.182127.10245@news.cs.brandeis.edu> rardin@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (R. Lynn Rardin) writes:

>Miles Davis--Blow (Warner Bros) 439-224

>Anybody know what this is?  Is it some sort of compilation?

I think it might be one of the remixes of some tracks off "Doo-Bop" which
warner has been putting out recently.
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From: mciver@kibblesnbits.cs.colorado.edu (William McIver Jr.)
Subject: Re: I spent a day with Dizzy
Organization: Universtiy of Coloardo, Boulder
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:45:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan14.182932.5319@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> bench@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (daniel.benscher) writes:
>Hi all-
>
>I thought I'd recount a story about a day I spent with Dizzy about 6 years ago or so.
>A friend of mine in NYC education ran a program where he brought celebrities to inner
>city grade schools to be interviewed by young kids.  He set up such a program with
>Dizzy and asked me if I'd like to serve as chauffeur, since my fried didn't have a car.
>So, being a big jazz and Dizzy fan and amateur trumpet player, I called in sick that
>day, picked my  friend up and headed to Englewood, NJ in my Honda!  We stopped at a diner


I just heard Arturo Sandoval's story of his first meeting with Dizzy.
This was on Marian McPartlan's (sp ?) show.

Dizzy stopped in Havana during a Jazz cruise.  Arturo went to the port
that day to see if he could meet Dizzy and ended up driving him around
the city all day.  The whole time Arturo mentioned nothing about playing trumpet.
(I forget who the musician was that interpreted for them.)

Later in the evening when Dizzy saw Arturo getting ready to
go to his gig, he was in disbelief that his "chauffeur" was
a trumpeter, especially when his interpreter told him that Arturo 
was the "best" in all of Cuba :).



WJM


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From: jgthomas@crchh420.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Thomas)
Subject: Re: Parker/Lytton
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:36:18 GMT
Reply-To: John Thomas <jgthomas@bnr.ca>              
Organization: BNR, Inc.

In article <1993Jan22.095226.2157@msus1.msus.edu>, kenz@local.host writes:
|> In article <C166FI.2Fo@news.rich.bnr.ca>, jgthomas@crchh420.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Thomas) writes:
|> >Anybody have the duo LP Evan Parker and Paul Lytton did in 1976
|> >called RA on the Moers label?
|> >
|> >Saw it in Cadence.
|> 
|> // Yes, I have a copy and if you like Evan Parker's style, it  isn't too bad. 
|> Lytton works with some electronics, kind of more in the FMP/Ogun type mode, not
|> like Weather Report.  I will try to listen again this weekend for a fresher
|> perspective.  But I thought it was worth the $9.00, especially considering how
|> relatively few Evan Parker recordings there are available.  Does anybody have a
|> copy of the live Fingerpalace recording they'd be willing to give up?!  I'd
|> love to find a copy of that.  A friend in Fargo has it, and it is very good.
|> 
|> Bill Kenz
|> internet  kenz@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
|> 

Great!

However, what do you mean by this electronics-style?  I am not familiar
with the electronic stuff on FMP.

Which brings me to another question.  Recently I saw an expensive import
CD on (I think) the Matchless label called SUPERSESSION or something
like that with a quartet including Barry Guy and Evan Parker.

Parker played tenor and soprano sax and Guy and the other two members
played "electronics" (in addition to bass for Guy).

How is this one and is the electronics similar to that on RA?

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From: will@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (William Sadler)
Subject: Albert King?? dead?
Organization: Center for Innovative Computer Applications, Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:31:01 GMT


Maybe I missed it here, but someone told me yesterday that Albert King just
died.  Does anyone knwo about this?  Possible rumor?

Will

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From: ldl@berlioz.nsc.com (Larry Lewicki)
Subject: 'Nardis' - composed, yet unrecorded...
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation, Santa Clara
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:39:11 GMT

 I noticed the comment "'Nardis' .. composed but not
recorded by the Prince of Darkness?" at the bottom of 
an email.  I wondered about this too - about 4 years
ago there was an interview with Mile Davis in Keyboard
magazine - there was also an auxillary piece written
by Orrin Keepnews - he talked about the 'Nardis' was
it written by Bill Evans question.  He said that Bill
Evans never claimed that he wrote "Nardis' - he always
gave credit to Miles.  This wasn't out of politeness
because when the "Kind of Blue" album was being printed
Miles originally claimed credit for 'Blue in Green" -
Bill Evans demanded (Keepnews wording - not mine) that
he be given credit for this song.

This brings to mind another story.  About 7 years ago
my wife and I saw John Handy play locally.  He played
'Four' but in the verbal introduction he claimed that
it was really written by (I am pretty sure of this)
Eddie "Cleanhead" Vincent (spelling?) and that Miles
had appropriated the song for himself.  

Larry Lewicki (ldl@berlioz.nsc.com)

  (the opinions expressed here are my own and not National's)
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Subject: Re: Cecil--Leaf,Palm,Hand
From: kenz@local.host
Date: 28 Jan 93 16:41:35 -0600
Reply-To: kenz@local.host
Organization: Organization, City, State, etc.

In article <8fO001G00WBNQ28l4Q@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Roy D. McKelvey" <rm0n+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I ran into a Cecil Taylor disk at a local record
>store last night called Leaf,Palm Hand. It was
>used, and cost $8. I was intrigued, but didn't bite.
>Given the usual clientel of the store, I'm sure
>it will sit there a while. So I'm wondering if anyone
>has any comments on it. The cover contains nothing but
>the title and Taylor/Coxill?
>
=====================================================
If you haven't already picked up the FMP Cecil Taylor box set from the 1988
workshop, then you may want to pick up this part of it!  All of the 11 CD's
from the box are available as single discs.  The one you refer to I thought
had Tony Oxley on it.  But overall, the intense recording over about a month
in 1988 produced an amazing glimpse into Cecil Taylor's musical conceptions.
In addition to the 11 CD's, FMP also released a two CD set with more music from 
this time; one CD is solo CT, the other a duet with Gunter Sommer on drums.
That one you saw in the store would be worth picking up, especially since 
Cadence offers new versions at double the price!

Bill Kenz
kenz@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu
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