From: snorthc@nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Which music amoral??
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:46:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NAVAL SURFACE WARFARE CENTER

Thomas Price, bless him, continues to write:
>I was disappointed by Stephen Northcutt's response to my post.
Maybe you will like this one better :-)  

>>Ice-T is not writing about killing cops because he calculates
>>that such lyrics will sell more albums.

You do not KNOW that Ice T didn't just write it for the $$$$$.

SN >1.) You have clearly missed the original post, I am talking about
SN >a whole genre of IMMORAL music, no ifs and or buts.  

TP> Once again, this is wishful thinking on your part. See just above for what
TP> you actually said. 

BZZZZT still wrong.  There have been several posts on this subject.
The snip you used referred to megadeth just prior to where you cut it.
Clearly for you for some reason Ice T is a hot button.  To me he is
no different from a neo nazi skin head rocker.

SN >I am under no
SN >compunction whatsoever to imagine ANYONE, who advocates senseless violence

TP >You're begging the question again. I claim that the advocated violence
TP >is not "senseless." I don't want to see it happen; I think it would be
TP >a terrible thing -- but I respect Ice-T's declaration that things are
TP >so bad that reasonable people are beginning to consider violence.

OOOOOH now this is interesting.  Advocated violence is not senseless?
Neo Nazis advocate violence, they are doing a great job of it over
in Germany right now.
"christians and moslems" advocate violence, I personally got to see 
this in Lebannon in 1975 when I helped pull out the dependants.
Protestants and catholics in Ireland, Bosnians in ex-Yugoslavia,
Somalia....... I'm sure they all have a reason for what they do,
but I am equally sure it isn't the RIGHT reason.

Is there something special about Ice T... something that makes him
less senseless than these others?

> Good luck in finding
>any alternative to this violence which will gain the support of these people
>whose plain statements about the situation you will not accept as valid.
>Good luck in getting them to listen to you. Good luck in understanding
>anything they have to say about their situation.

The ONLY alternative is my Lord Jesus Christ. 

>"Acting in good faith" means "acting without hidden motive", or "acting on
>the belief that one's actions are the best possible." The commandment to 
>love Ice-T as yourself enjoins upon you the responsibility to assume that
>there is something in what he says, and to try to figure out what it is.

 I don't think you know Ice T as a person, you only know
him (as I do) as a public figure, that is what he represents.  What
he represents is wrong!  It is degrading.  It should be avoided.
Remember, the statement I am making extends far beyond Ice T's trash,
but to megadeth, neo nazi bands.... to any of the "music" that
epitomizes sex, drugs, violence.  This stuff is bad, wrong, sinful
to buy, own, support, or listen to.

SN >I get the impression that you are young, passionate, and idealistic,
SN >this is normal and acceptable.  

TP>as in this laughable piece of patronization. That's right, I'm going through
TP>a stage. You needn't listen to anything I am saying. Whew! Good thing 
TP>I can be pigeonholed like this!

Flap, wheeze and bluster all you want, your tone and point of view
lead me to ask, before we continue this painful discussion any further,
please tell us:

Do you accept Jesus Christ as your savior, by faith believing that
he is the son of God, who died for us and rose again defeating death
and sin, that he is the only way to salvation?

Thomas Price, are you saved?
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             I accept Jesus Christ as my savior
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