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Subject: GayNet Digest Volume 5 Issue 643
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In this issue:
                             GREG LOUGANIS
        Flag Burning - Turning off Americans, NOT Waking them up
                           politics on gaynet
                               The Quilt
                              ignorant me
                            convention floor
                            FISHER'S SPEECH
                    Bank of America funding the BSA
                      Issues 629 and 630 Please...
                   Issues 629,630, and 641 Please...
                         What Bill Clinton Said
                      aragon@lachesis.acm.rpi.edu
                                oops...
                             RNC Goofiness
                     Cincinnati Council FAX number
                            convention floor
                           Buchanan's speech

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Date: Thursday, 20 August 92 12:36:47 CST
From: LLRLF%UTXDP.BITNET@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu
Subject: GREG LOUGANIS

To Mark Hertzog:  Honey, I have several magazine articles in which Greg
Louganis has mentioned that his 'sexual preference' is his own business.
One article is in ROLLING STONE (Sept. 22, 1988, p.86) and I believe the
other one is in GQ (however I can't remember the date).  There was an
article in THE ADVOCATE dealing with Greg's petitioning the California
Supreme Court to keep his roommate (at that time) away from him and his
residence.  I think that should tell you something.  I have heard rumors
(from various friends) that Greg is very popular with the young men out on
the West Coast.  If you want to know what his nickname is (I really can't
print it here) please E-mail me and I will gladly tell you.

Richard Foster

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:09:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Loren Meissner <lmeissne@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Flag Burning - Turning off Americans, NOT Waking them up
Mime-Version: 1.0

TO: The person (name withheld to avoid this seeming like a personal
attack) who apparantly said that Burning the American Flag at the
Republican Convention site in Houston last Sunday during the ACT-UP
demonstration would "Wake up" the American People:
COME ON!!
Wake people up? Turn them totally off to your message and turn them into
enemies of your cause is more like it, if you attack what is dear to them
(American Flag). HOW you deliver the message IS important. True, Bush
isn't doing enough on AIDS, but the issue got shifted from AIDS to Flag
burning in the minds of many Americans. Mark my words: GLB's
(Gays/Lesbians/Bi's) WILL be the 1992 Willie Horton of the Bush campaign.
Those who burn the flag help re-elect Bush by giving the impression that
GLB's are anti-American and Anti-family and thus
Bush should (according to this view) be re-elected to protect family values.
(Unsual disclaimer: all this is IMHO -Please no flames or personal attacks)>

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From: jsol@Athena.MIT.EDU
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 15:17:41 -0400
Subject: politics on gaynet

Gaynet has a lot of diverse politics. I'm a conservative republican and most
of the people I know and love are democratic. Hence I'm not getting much
sex d uring the election of a new President. :-)

One reason I went into therapy isa to learn that my relatives have been
in powert for the last 10 years. My father's name is Herbert Solomon as
of the time he was 6, before that my grandmother who is still alive
(remarkably) was married to Aberham Goldberg. There is a rumor going
around my circles that "Barbara Bush" is related to the goldbergs.
There are a number of bush listings in the phone book. Some are here
and some are down in the south near the shore. Some are in democrats too.
Even President Bush has a home in middlefield ct. Hence I am listening with
intense ears for the list of things people want done, especially from
gays. The reason I stay in CT is that the je wish system recognizes me as
Jonathan Son of Herbert Solomon, and other states use full names which come
out as "legal name Solomon, Moral name Goldberg", screwing everybody, since
there is also a goldberg named  Jonathan too, hence I have to use Jonathan Alan
which even Connecticut doesn't do right (let alone Mass where the therapy
started).

now, I heard Buchannan's speech too, and felt that (as a conservative) I can
see why he said Homosexuals don't need rights (other than the ones already
prrovided in the constitution and bill of rights)..


Homosexuality is a church concern, not one for state. if you ask for
more rights you will interfere with the separation between state
government (or federal) and the church. you can't get the state to bar
the roman catholic chburch because of the bill of rights requiring the
separation of church and state.

best wishes to the campaiggn and whoever wins I hope they are a winner.

good luck everyone,
--jsol
--python on other sites.

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From: 75furlong@cua.edu
Subject: The Quilt
Organization: The Catholic University of America
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:19:32 GMT

What is involved in adding a square to the AIDS quilt? My mother's cousin died
of "complications resulting from..." in the spring, and several family members
were curious.

I've never seen the quilt all together. When it's here in October I want to see
it on the mall. A friend of mine described it as being like Vietnam vets who go
to the Vietnam Memorial and pick out the names of their friends on the wall.
Only the quilt is more personal.

And it's still growing.

Sigh,
Alison

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 15:22:22 -0400
From: info-25@info.umd.edu
Subject: ignorant me

please forgive me my serious ignorance, but what is a "nellie"?
if anyone would be willing to enlighten me, i'd appreciate it,
as i am a greg louganis fan.
:)

paula
info-25@info.umd.edu

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:29:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Loomis <ml3e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: convention floor

Excerpts From Captions of internet.gaynet:
20-Aug-92  convention floor               HAYESCS@ACFcluster.NYU.E (1405)
>		During Mary Fisher's speech last night to the Repeblican Convent		ion, at w
>hich point I cannot recall, a camera cut to a man on
> 		the floor of the Astro-convention-dome. He was standing and hold		ing a si
>gn with both hands above his head. I did not read the
>		sign because I was focused on the text of his white t-shirt.
>		I saw the words NOBODY KNOWS I'M HIV POSITIVE. Is this correct?

Yes, I saw him too.  I too was slightly puzzled.
I got a big kick out of the cameras showing Jerry Falwell and Pat
Robertson during Ms. Fisher's speech,  but I doubt it phazed them a bit.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 14:40:47 EST
From: ALBRIGH@ucs.indiana.edu
Subject: FISHER'S SPEECH

I have the text to Mary Fisher's speech to the Republican Convention on
Wednesday night.  If there is any interest, I'll post it on the net.

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Date: 20 Aug 1992 13:43:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: HMULLIKIN@POMONA.CLAREMONT.EDU
Subject: Bank of America funding the BSA
Mime-Version: 1.0

I would like to join others in encouraging everyone to call the Bank
of America to protest their decision on resuming contributions to
the Boy Scouts.

Let me suggest that you first call your local Scout Council to find out
what their policy on gays in scouting is.  I called the Old Baldy Council
of the BSA (serving the area around Claremont, CA) to check up on their
policy.  To be sure that I would get an honest response, I created a
hypothetical 15 year old son who supposedly was interested in becoming
involved in scouting.  The BSA person was very helpful, providing me
with the names and phone numbers of the advisors to local Explorer troops.
Once I had that information, I raised the question as to whether or not the
fact that my "son" was openly gay would present any problem.  She quickly
switched me over to one of the higher-ups in the office who informed
me that an openly gay young man would not be able to participate in
scouting locally.

I had a good conversation with the BofA representative, especially since
I was able to confirm that the BSA does discriminate on the basis of
sexual orientation.

I think that if we can show that this same policy is being upheld by
local councils throughout the country, it will make it impossible
for the BofA to make the claim that gays are not discriminated
against by the Scouts.  I suggest that if you do talk to someone from
your local council who will confirm that they will not allow gays
to participate in scouting, get her/his name so that you can give
that information to the BofA.


CONTACT:  Bank of America Corporate Public Relations
             Peter Mangani, (415) 953-2418
             John Keane, (415) 622-2773


Harry Mullikin
Mathematics Department
Pomona College
Claremont, CA 91711
hmullikin@pomona.claremont.edu

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:53:27 -0500
From: Mike! <mike.w.miller.40@nd.edu>
Subject: Issues 629 and 630 Please...

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:55:53 -0500
From: Mike! <mike.w.miller.40@nd.edu>
Subject: Issues 629,630, and 641 Please...

I'm not sure why, but I never received GN issues 629, 630, and 641.  Could
someone pretty please send those to me?

By the way, I've been saving and cataloging GayNets since 5-588, and have
the disk space and intentions to continue.  If people ever needs a back
issue, let me know.

Later,
Mike!

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From: Mark Hertzog <mwh8h@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU>
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 17:43:10 EDT
Subject: What Bill Clinton Said

     In reply to Ed Lisowski and anyone else who was turned off by Bill
Clinton's remarks on NBC/PBS re: lesbigay marriage and adoption:
     Please, please don't allow your disappointment to outweigh your reason.
Look carefully at what Clinton actually *said.*  He said he hadn't endorsed
marriage and adoption for us, that "I haven't take a position on that."  He
did *not* say that he opposed it, or looked down on it, or disapproved of it.
Clinton, ever slick and attuned to public opinion, chooses to keep silent on
a question on which 75 to 80 percent of American voters stand against us (per
survey data)--but without any expression of disapproval.
     This does nothing to alter the basic equation.  Clinton is basically for
us.  In spite of widespread public freaking-out, he has promised to repeal
the military ban, to end discrimination in federal employment with an
executive order, to drastically increase AIDS funding, and to sign (with
revisions) the federal gay rights bill.  Further, he can appoint judges,
including to the Supreme Court, and federal officials who will stand up to
the Jesse Helms crowd.  As president, other than setting a public tone, he
can't do a durn thing about state marriage and adoption laws.
     Clinton is basically for us, and Bush is basically against us.  One of
these two people is going to be President come January.  It's that simple.
I'm not going to whine because Clinton isn't 100 percent queer correct; he's
gone *way* further than any major-party nominee in history to stand up for
us, and not with token sops, either.  For all you may question the man's
character, he knew that homophobia might cost him the election in a close
race and he chose to stand with us anyway.  *That* shows *cojones.*
     No matter how wildly out or how closeted anyone is, no matter how
"militant" or "moderate," the single most important thing any of us can do
for queer liberation in the next few months is to work like hell to get
Clinton elected.  This is especially true because, if Bush wins after an
overtly homophobic campaign, it is possible that no serious presidential
candidate is going to touch us again for years.
     This is SERIOUS, folks!

Love,
Mark in Virginia

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:52:23 -0600 (MDT)
From: WERLING <awerling@nmsu.edu>
Subject: aragon@lachesis.acm.rpi.edu
Mime-Version: 1.0

On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 gaynet@ATHENA.MIT.EDU wrote:

> ------------------------------
>
> From: Greg Pratt <aragon@lachesis.acm.rpi.edu>
> Subject: Re: "Billy" in "One Life to Live"
> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 23:40:11 EDT

Hi Greg!  Thanks for all the information you posted about this.  I've had
this crush on "Billy" since I started watching the show and I'm
disheartened to read that he's only 17 (I thought I had him pegged for at
least 20)...cool about his reasons for doing it.  I really admire him.

Also, thanks for all the synopses you posted a few weeks ago.  I was
following them and I wouldn't have started watching it without your key-in.

thanks!

Andrew

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:55:51 -0600 (MDT)
From: WERLING <awerling@nmsu.edu>
Subject: oops...
Mime-Version: 1.0

That was the second time I screwed up and sent a personal letter to
GayNet...apologies to Greg and to everyone else.

Must be on a brain-fuck streak.....

Andrew Werling   awerling@nmsu.edu   Ambassador of Planet Yip
To get on the Planet Yip Junk Mail List, write to me.

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:02:32 -0500
From: Mike! <mike.w.miller.40@nd.edu>
Subject: RNC Goofiness

Last evening when Barbara Bush got done with her "family values" speech,
her children and grandchildren surrounding her, and George made his
"surprise" visit to the podium, guess what the band was playing...

The theme from "La Cage aux Folles".

Someone, somewhere is laughing their ass off.

Mike!

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From: <MARKD@urjwc.ucla.edu>
Subject: Cincinnati Council FAX number
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:02:00 PDT
Encoding: 38 TEXT

Cincinnati City Council does not have electronic mail.  However, if you would
like to fax instead of mail them your thoughts, do it in care of the Clerk of
Council at 513-352-1517.  Address copies to each member.

For those of you (and there can't be many) who missed my previous messages,
here's the drill.  City Council is deciding on a Human Rights Ordinance that
guarantees basic protection for lesbians and gays.  The ordinance is being
fought by a kooky fundamentalist minister who leads a coalition called New
Wave 2000, which includes -- among others -- the people responsible for the
Mapplethorpe fiasco.

At the moment, the measure is teetering.  Let them know how you feel.
Believe me, national opinion means something to these people.  It made a
difference during Mapplethorpe.  Also, some of these people aspire to, will
gain, and in one case already has gained a seat in the U.S. federal
government.

Write to city council members and please, if you have a minute, just send me
a line or two saying you've done so.
(Address markd@urjwc.ucla.edu):

    Nick Vehr, opposed
    Bobbie Sterne, in favor
    Roxanne Qualls, in favor
    John Mirlisena, undecided
    David Mann, leaning against (recently won a special election to become
            a member of Congress)
    Mayor Dwight Tillery, undecided
    Peter Strauss, undecided
    Nell Surber, undecided
    Tyrone Yates, in favor

    Cincinnati City Hall
    801 Plum Street
    Cincinnati, OH 45202
    FAX: 513-352-1517

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:12:34 EDT
From: elliott@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (larry)
Posted-Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 19:12:34 EDT
Subject: convention floor

Regarding the delegate wearing the NOBODY KNOWS I'M HIV POSITIVE...
I actually felt they spent quite a lot of time on him, first showing
us just his shirt, in a closeup, then pulling back to see his face.

But, I'm not so convinced he was a delegate.  Possibly a plant, to be
"seen" during Mary Fisher's speech.  His responses seemed to fit
that profile.


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larry martinelli               |   "Faring you well, now.  Let your
dwarf@well.sf.ca.us            |    life proceed by its own design."
elliott@eniac.seas.upenn.edu   |

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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 92 20:18:32 EDT
From: "Gary Klein (bear at heart)" <FAC2813%UOFT01.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu>
Subject:      Re: Buchanan's speech

     Folks, lets not forget the words of this orator who is "right besides
himself".

                    "My friends, even in tough times,
                     these poeple are with us.  They don't
                     read Adam Smith or Edmund Burke, but
                     they came from the same schoolyards and
                     playgrounds and towns as we did.  They
                     share our beliefs and convictions, our
                     hopes and our dreams."

                    ...

                    "And, we need to reconnect with
                     them.  We need to let them know we
                     know they're hurting.  They don't
                     expect miracles, but they need to
                     know we care."

     Such a kind, caring and thoughtful soul!

     Amazing, how those sentences, when standing by themselves on the phosphors
of the screen can take on a whole new meaning.

     Don't you just want to embrace him for his concern over OUR hurt!  After
all, he did grow up with us, in the same schoolyards, playgrounds and towns
as we did.  He knows us so well -- he could never turn away from a friend
in need of a bit of support!

     DOESN'T HE DESERVE AN HONORARY DEGREE in Social Work!

     We ought to find a pair of Siamese Twins who can give this man the sort
of two faced kiss-off that he truly deserves.  Where are Blaine & Antoinne
when you really need them?

     READ MY LIPS MISTER BUCHANAN       (written by Gary M. Klein, 8/20/92)

                  We're queer,
                  We're here,
                  And we grew up playing in your schoolyard!

                  We're queer,
                  We're here,
                  And we were once friends!

                  We're queer,
                  We're here,
                  And we once cared about each other!

                  We're queer,
                  We're here,
                  And we never hated anyone!

                  We're queer,
                  We're here,
                  And you don't respect us anymore!

                  We're queer,
                  We're here,
                  And we ain't gonna hide!

                  We're queer,
                  We're here,
                  And we've got love on our side!

                  We're queer,
                  We're here,
                  Can you see the rising tide?

                  We're queer,
                  We're here,
                  And Roy Cohn wants a bride!

                  We're queer,
                  We're here,
                  And God is on YOUR side?

                  We're queer,
                  We're here,
                  And we're all gonna cheer!

"Read Queer Books"
      * * * *          Gary Klein,   Business Librarian,  Univ of Toledo
       *   *                     P.O.Box 12650 / Toledo OH 43606
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