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From: amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: What do you all think of the Situationists?
Date: 5 Nov 92 11:53:51 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

A poem I hope will be met with some pleasure in that wondrous
land south of the Alps.  It is by Guido Calvacanti, a remarkable
student of the human condition, who wrote in the 13th Century.  It is
a further pleasure to read a translation by Ezra Pound, whose _Cantos_
I dare say are the most ambitious verse of the present Century.


	     MADRIGALE

O cieco mondo, di lusinghe pieno,
Mortal veleno `e ciascun tuo diletto,
Fallace, `e pien d'inganni, e con sospetto.

Folle `e colui che ti addrizza il freno,
Quando per men che nulla quel ben perde,
Che sovra ogn' altro Amor luce e sta verde.
Per`o gi`a mai di te colui non curi,
Che'l frutto vuol gustar di dolci fiori.


		MADRIGAL

O world gone blind and full of false deceits,
Deadly's the poison with thy joys connected,
O treacherous thou, and guileful and suspected:
Sure he is mad who for thy checks retreats
And for scant nothing loseth that green prize
Which over-gleans all other loveliness;

Wherefore the wise man scorns thee at all hours
When he would taste the fruit of pleasant flowers.

-- 
Marko Amnell
amnell@klaava.helsinki.fi
Graduate Student in Philosophy
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From: sfysh@epas.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Moskal Fysh)
Subject: Re: Help find me some criticism
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:02:09 GMT

In article <92317.163005L98CC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <L98CC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>I have to write an essay for my history class regarding "Odd Women"
>by Gissing.  Where can I find some literary criticism(with heavy slant to
>social history) on this book?
>Even more generally, how can I find any literary criticism on any book or
>periodical?  In other word, what's THE index on the literary criticism?

*The* index on literary criticism and literary history is the _Modern
Languages Association Bibliography_ [MLA Bibliography].  Check out the
reference department of your library and ask the librarian where it is
and how to use it.  There'll be a section just on Gissing.  The
bibliography comes out annually, and goes back to 1926 (I think).  I
rarely use it for stuff before 1960, because for that I often rely on
bibliographies in later books.  The last 10 years or so are also on
CD-ROM, but it's *not* entirely reliable yet.

Stephanie Moskal Fysh
Dept. of English
Univ. of Toronto
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Yet another look at the new New Yorker
Organization: Little Cartoon Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:23:11 GMT

Well, I'm still not sure I like the new style. I definitely do not like
the increase in colorful ads. (Did the old New Yorker ever advertise
brightly colored leather outfits?)

I did enjoy the latest issue. The article on Edward Gorey and accompanying 
portrait were very nice. It's good to know that he's not some mundane person
working out of the suburbs. Two short articles by Roger Angell, neither about
baseball. An expose' on the goings on at the Tonight Show. Ooo boy. More of
those space fillers such as "Block that Metaphor" and "No Comment Department."

I just wish there wasn't so much filler to page through to find the articles. 
--
   Lance "RainDog" Smith     |   "Outrageous, alarming, courageous, charming.
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)      |    Oh, who would think a boy and bear 
   Still waiting for the     |    could be well accepted everywhere
    Great Leap Forward.      |    It's just amazing how fair people can be."
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From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires)
Subject: Re: The trouble with gurus
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:51:46 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

>	Fido writes:
>								>my
>>candidate for Most Pompous Ass among the self-appointed gurus would be
>>Joseph Campbell.
>

	I asked for opinions on Mr. Campbell some time ago
	on alt.mythology and sci.anthro, and have a file of
	responses, if someone wants a copy.  The consensus
	appears to be that his early work is good, late work
	not so good.

Roger Squires
rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu
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From: dont@StarConn.com (Don Tuite)
Subject: Re: Musing about Ransome
Followup-To: rec.arts.books
Summary: Where to find the books 
Organization: Starnet-Public Access UNIX--Los Altos, CA  415-949-3133
Distribution: ba 
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:00:29 GMT

Bay Area residents may be interested to know that the entire _Swallows
and Amazons_
series can be found at the Palo Alto Children's Library.  It's the only
place I've found with the complete cannon.

don
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Et in Arcadia ego
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:44:54 GMT
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:
> 
> I have stated before that Balliol and Somerville should have joined
> forces. 

But but but.  Where would Harriet Vane have gone to school then???

	the shocked to his wimsey Mr. E-----
--

                         \   Absence diminishes small loves and increases
LNH@physics.arizona.edu   \  great ones, as the wind blows out the candle 
sometimes a Wombat         \ and blows up the bonfire. -- La Rochefoucauld
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: rueful meta-remarks (was Re: popular fiction vs. literature)
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:06:48 GMT


nickles@sage.cc.purdue.edu (john a nickles) writes:
 
> On other other news, I just started reading HOWARDS END. Does this
> make me an official member of the r.a.b.ble?
 
Nope -- you are already an official member of the r.a.b.ble.
 
Reading HOWARDS END makes you one of the elite task force.
 
BTW -- I enjoyed the Housman takeoff.
 
Mark
From: rachel@phsbbs.princeton.nj.us (Rachel M. Kadel)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Truth According to Mickie Medved
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 23:47:40 EST
Organization: Princeton High School, Princeton, New Jersey

kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) writes:

> In article <1992Nov6.052908.29199@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) wri
> >In article <1992Nov5.222809.10131@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) 
> >
> >>There are things that can't be laughed at?  Topics that contain no
> >>raw material for humor?  Like what?
> >
> >Torturing political prisoners to death. To name one thing.
> >
> 
> What about doing it by forcing them to watch Doris Day movies,
> with voice over of Vogon poetry read alternately by Ringo Starr
> and George Carlin?
> 

Or there's always Python's "the comfy chair."  (NOBODY expects the 
Spanish Inquisition!)
                                       Rachel M. Kadel

P.S.  But I do think that realistic description of torture would be 
unfunny, and if it were funny, it would be sick and sad . . . and anyone 
who saw in it pure humor would be likewise sick.
                                                RMK

There's an infinite number of monkeys at the door wanting to show us the 
script to Hamlet they've worked out...The school won't even LISTEN to me 
, much less let me speak for it...rachel@phsbbs.princeton.nj.us
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From: msmorris@watsci.UWaterloo.ca (Mike Morris)
Subject: Re: The Truth According to Mickie Medved
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:37:37 GMT

                                     Saturday, the 7th of November, 1992

Fiona asks:
  There are things that can't be laughed at?  Topics that contain no
  raw material for humor?  Like what?

Mike Godwin offers:
  Torturing political prisoners to death. To name one thing.

``Can't'' may be the operative word. I would say rather ``ought not
to''. And Mike's example is perfect. Except I thought of Humberto
Constantini's _The Gods, the Little Guys, and the Police_ (set
during the Argentine dirty war---due to a clerical error members
of a literary society are scheduled for execution and the Olympian
Gods rather impotently set out save them from the death squad which is 
already screaming down upon them in four Ford Falcons through the
streets of Buenos Aires). It's funny, but it's a
kind of funny which makes you want to cry. Demonic
laughter, like with the garbage disposals, except sadder. This book
comes close to being a counterexample, but I think there's still
a place where the humor shouldn't go. Angelic laughter, certainly
not. For that would be to grant us absolution for something we
haven't even felt ourselves responsible for. Mere forgetting. But, yeah,
I think there are unfortunately places where even the demonic kind of
hell-laughter is inappropriate.
               
               Mike Morris
         (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)


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From: evanh@sco.COM (Evan Hunt)
Subject: Re: One event/several POVs
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1992 06:13:48 GMT


lynnette@Ingres.COM (Lynnette Viste) writes:
>
>Zilpha Keatney Snyder's 
>	Under the Root and ??
>
>Oh, darn, I've forgotten the name of the other book. I'll try to look
>it up and get back to you all.

_And All Between_. Both were recently reprinted (I'm not sure about the
third book _Until the Celebration - and of course it's the one I need.)

I read some criticism that thought it was downright lazy of Snyder to have
the same events in the second book as in the first. Pretty narrowminded
point of view. And there isn't even total overlap. 
-- 
Some of the new words in the American Heritage Dictionary:  Novelize, El Nino,
moonquake, ombudsperson, shock-jock, metafiction, hypertext, wellness, slam-
dunk, nerd, media event, colorize, preowned, CD/ROM, stress test, four-by-four,
prequel, waitron, infotainment, junk bond, supersaver, sound bite, HIV, wide-
bodied, stun gun, talking head, laptop, leveraged buyout, women's studies.
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: RE: ""...a rose is a rose ...""
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:41:10 GMT


posey@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (Edwin Posey) writes:
 
> (courtesty Burgess Meredith, the original music man)
 
Burgess Meredith?  The trainer in the Rocky movies?
 
Perhaps Edwin means Merideth Wilson?
 
Mark
 
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From: matess@gsusgi1.gsu.edu (Eliza Strickler)
Subject: Title = "The Remains of Our Days", Author = ?
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:02:48 GMT

There is a book that has been recommended to me with a title
something like, "The Remains of Our Days". The author is Japenese.
Does anyone know the author's name and the exact title of this book?

Thanks,
	Elizabeth
-- 


\|/--_   -_-      ----           ###         _- ----------------------
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|\     ^                 0\~     /\   /\  -     
|_(___/ \_    ||_________/     _/  |_/  \_      matess@gsusgi1.gsu.edu
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Welfare myths (was: BOOK: Hollywood vs. America by Michael Medved)
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:06:08 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Nov6.215918.22051@cs.ucla.edu>, reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:
> In article <13063@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# #I was complaining about the problems of single mothers trying to
# #raise kids by themselves.  You asked why anyone should care.  (A
# #very liberal attitude -- why should anyone care about people getting
# #screwed over?)  
# 
# Since you are being very careful about what you said, it's only fair to
# be equally careful about what I said.  Could you please quote for me
# the place where I said "why should anyone care" about the problems of
# single mothers raising kids by themselves?   I don't deny those problems,

Too late, the articles have aged off here.  You asked why anyone
should care (in the sense of, "Why is it anyone else's business?")
Perhaps not quite the sense of, "unconcerned."

# and I'm in favor of doing something about them - cracking down on
# irresponsible fathers is one way, welfare is another.  
# -- 
# 		Peter Reiher


-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Racism is "class struggle" applied to ethnicity.
From: lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu (sometimes a Wombat)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Theodore Dreiser
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:09:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Society for the Appreciation of Janni Lee Simner

claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
> The question remains:  why does the Academy not take Mr. Dreiser 
> seriously?  

I wasn't really aware that if didn't.  Certainly my SO read SISTER
CARRIE for her sophomore-level American lit class -- or was it for the
junior-level Victorian novel class?  Either way, a place where canon
reigns, and only those taken seriously are like to be handed to the
student.  Our English department is not known for its frivolity.

	Larry "Swinging from the rafters" Hammer
--

                         \                     Time ...
LNH@physics.arizona.edu   \   Worships language and forgives
GEnie: L.HAMMER2           \  Everyone by whom it lives   -- Auden
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From: ploof@griffin (Scott B Ploof)
Subject: Stories Wanted
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: net
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:01:26 GMT

Does anyone have any stories in ascii format?  Or know of where I can get seom
really good ones?

I'm putting together an e-magazine for the ibm\compat and would like a stories
section....I know there are a lot of stories out there....if you have any
could you send them to me??  Full recognition will be given and the magazine
(LEGACY) will be released in December on the larger FTP sites.

I can be contacted at Ploof@uvm-gen.uvm.edu  OR  Ploof@uvm.edu
stories can be sent either here or at our FTP collection site:
141.214.4.135  /projects/legacy

thanks in advance...and I want to hear from you......

Scott Ploof
From: bonney@esds.mdc.com (Greg Bonney)
Subject: old ACD books, including Hound of the Baskervilles
Organization: Visual Simulation Systems
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:39:54 GMT

I recently bought three old books by Arthur Conan Doyle.  They were
printed by P. F. Collier & Son of New York.  At the top of the title
page it says, "THE LATEST OF CONAN DOYLE BY SPECIAL ARRANGEMENT WITH
THE AUTHOR".  However, it gives no publication date, only copywrite
dates.  The only introductions they have are by ACD himself.  The books
look very old, and I was wondering if they were rare.
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From: gwr@hedonist-1.lanl.gov (Graham W. Redgrave)
Subject: Re: The Truth According to Mickie Medved
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 00:16:31 GMT

Mike Morris writes:
|> 
|> Fiona writes to contradict me:
|>
|> [some deletia]
|> 
|>   I think the acid test is this: If you yourself are the victim of
|>   the torture, are *you* allowed to make a joke about it?
|> 
|> Is this the acid test? I would have said rather it would be if you
|> yourself were the torturer.

At the risk of convoluting myself into knots (about which and DNA I've been 
learning this week) ...

Fiona, in a post I've lost, quoted Elie Wiesel saying man could laugh at God,
and God had somehow lost because of that; then here, Mark wonders about the
torturer's sense of humor [hmmm...fit tab A into slot B -- there, that
should do it...].  What I'd been thinking was that our ability to laugh must
just be another way we are made in God's image, which is to say, I think 
the Torturer does have a sense of humor.  Maybe Wiesel was right in this way:
we tortured who learn laughter from God as S/he turns the screw find laughter's
a salve, a remover from pain.  Or maybe this all hurts God more than it hurts
us, and it's just for our own good.

Or maybe the mystery of laughter is deeper than I am wise.  Yeah, no shit.
Oh, well, did you hear the one about Basil and the bears?

|> 
|>                      Mike Morris
|>               (msmorris@watsci.uwaterloo.ca)
|> 

Yours in ridens ad nauseam,


-- 
Graham Redgrave    |    --  I don't speak for the government, 
gwr@life.lanl.gov  |        but I wish the government would speak for me ...  --
From: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The trouble with gurus
Date: 13 Nov 92 17:39:14 GMT
Reply-To: sanjiva@ecrc.de (Sanjiva Prasad)
Organization: European Computer-Industry Research Centre, Munich


I think I conceded too hastily Fido's awarding Most Pompous Ass to
Campbell.  JC doesn't even come close to Lord Kenneth Clark of Saltwood
in pomposity.

--
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Subject: Re: Columbus and the Egg?
From: <HISJMA@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Tuesday, 10 Nov 1992 12:13:33 MST
Organization: Brigham Young University

The story of Columbus and the egg (as recounted several times under this
subject heading) is a nice . . . well . . . story.  There is, however, no
firm evidence that the episode ever took place.  That does not mean, of course,
that the story was not widespread, but stories need not necessarily be based
on fact in order to gain a wide following and many retellings.

--Michael Allen
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From: mtaranto@shearson.com (Mark Taranto)
Subject: Re: a posting about BOOKS (LONG but meaty)
Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:59:44 GMT


alison@wsrcc.com (Alison Chaiken) writes:
 
> 2) _Brazzaville Beach_ by William Boyd.  This fascinating book takes
> place both in Cornwall and Africa (Mozambique? or Angola?) and
> contains insights about plant biology, human evolution, and the
> graduate school life.  For sheer originality and interest of plot,
> this one is a winner.  The narration is fairly simple and linear, for
> people who prefer that type of thing.  One wonders if this book is a
> _roman a clef_ about the Leakeys, Goodall/von Lawicks or whoever, or
> if it is all fanciful.
 
> By the same author, _Stars and Bars_ was a great disappointment.
> Englishmen may be a bit overambitious trying to do a comic Southern
> Gothic novel.  I should have been warned off the "zany frolic" quotes
> on the cover (but it was a library book).  I have not yet read _The
> New Confessions_ or other Boyd works, but am interested in hearing
> from those who have.
 
I disagree about STARS AND BARS.  I think it is hilariously funny.
It was also a wonderful movie, with Daniel Day Lewis in the lead.
Boyd wrote the screenplay, and it is an excellent demonstration of
how books should be turned into movies.
 
His second book was THE ICE CREAM WARS, which I did not read.  The
movie COMFORT AND JOY was based on it.
 
Boyd's first book is A GOOD MAN IN AFRICA, about a British foreign
service officer who manages to stumble through life in much the
same way that Jom Dixon does in K. Amis' LUCKY JIM.  I enjoyed this
book.
 
Mark

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From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Columbus and the Egg?
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:13:58 GMT

In article <179690001@hpcndm.CND.HP.COM>, neal@hpcndm.CND.HP.COM (Neal Bauer) writes:
>Last month my book group read _Frankenstein_.  Those of us who read the
>introduction were puzzled by this passage:
>
>	Every thing must have a beginning, to speak in Sanchean phrase;
>	and that beginning must be linked to something that went before.
>	The Hindoos give the world an elephant to support it, but they
>	make the elephant stand upon a tortoise.  Invention, it must be
>	humbly admitted, does not consist in creating out of void, but
>	out of chaos; the materials must, in the first place, be afforded:
>	it can give form to dark, shapeless substances, but cannot bring
>	into being the substance itself.  In all matters of discovery and
>	invention, even of those that appertain to the imagination, we
>	are continually reminded of the story of Columbus and his egg.
>
>If this was a test of cultural literacy, we all flunked.  Can anybody out
>there enlighten us?  What is the story of Columbus and the egg?

Columbus was napping one afternoon dreaming dreams of conquest and
exploitation.  An egg fell out of the sky and struck him on the head.
He awoke, and, his usual thought patterns disrupted by this blow to
the head, had a flash of creativity in which he invented the Hardboiled
Detective story.

Erik Timmerman

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From: bil@burka..aix.kingston.ibm.com (Igor Belchinskiy)
Subject: Re: Torturing Politicals
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:52:12 GMT
Organization: Be. I am.

In article <WARKENT.92Nov12150234@ltisun14.epfl.ch> warkent@ltisun14.epfl.ch (Ken Warkentyne) writes:
>To badly translate Bergson, it is not so much that Man is an animal
>that knows how to laugh but that Man is a funny animal.

Laughing, mankind says good bye to its past. Probably. to meet the same
again in the future.
(Smeyas', chelovechestvo rasstaetsya so svoim proshlym).

And - laugh requires distance (Wilder, 8th day, and everywhere else).
And laugh creates distance (,"").

>No aspect of human existance is immune from a humourous treatment
>and laughter is impossible only in heaven or in hell.

Why? Heaven should be full of laugh, and hell a very funny place.
Like looking at kittens.

>"Always look on the bright side of life."
>--
>Ken Warkentyne - warkent@ltisun.epfl.ch
>                 Laboratoire de Teleinformatique, EPFL, Suisse.
:-)

	Iogr Belchinskiy
From: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Erofeev-Aleshkovsky-Celine
Date: 9 Nov 1992 13:26:23 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: br105@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey A. Del Col)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Glad to see the discussion of Erofeev.  I read M-P many years ago and wanted
to use it in one of my classes.  Of course, it went out of print almost 
immediately, so that ruined that possibility.  And someone finally mentioned
Aleshkovsky--thank god!  KANGAROO and THE HAND are absolutely wonderful as are
his contributions to METROPOL.  The wild, obscene and very funny skaz 
technique brought to mind another writer, Celine.  In a time when what passes
for literature is often pretentious or anemic, these three prove that art 
transcends the strictures of theory and tradition.

I think Tsvetaeva put it best "If you only knew from what rubbish poetry 
springs!" Anyway, Erofeev, Aleshkovsky and Celine are a glorious, unholy
trinity who preach "Safety last!" as their only commandment.

J. Del Col
-- 
Jeff Del Col      *   "Cats are loners, and the paths they take in prose      
A-B College       *    belong to them alone."   --Jacques Roubaud--
Philippi, WV      *                             LA BELLE HORTENSE
                  *