HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Burshteyn, speak English!!!
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:50:18 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


Mikhail Martynov writes:

>It seems for me, that you said even more than you needed... specially in the
          ^^^                                                ^^^^^^^^^
>subject line (What are talking about?).  Next time don't forget to put
>something like "we", "you", or "they" after "are": it will look much-much
>better.

>I'm kinda ashamed that some people in Pennsylvania (where I happen to live and
     ^^^^^
>study) don't speak English well enough and, yet, try to show their high
>intellectual level.

>> No further comments.
>>
>> Alex Burshteyn

>I think there will be a lot of futher comments on your article.
                                ^^^^^^

      Calm down, Martynov.  Your own orthography
      and style leave much to be desired.


>Respectfully,
>Michael Martynov.
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Mormony
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:40:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Nov19.054001.17601
Distribution: world
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv

I am answering the request by some netter to translate my
posting about Mormons on Moscow. I was afraid that it will
seem insulting to somebody and posted it in Russian, 
but since the translation could be read by Mormons 
I apologize before believers.

One of my friends (Andrei Zheludev) was very annoyed by 
Mormon missionaires. Somehow they learned his address and
that he was fluent in English. Once they came to 
his flat in Moscow and without premonotions started 
to urge him to join their church.

He made clear that this perspective is not 
pleasant to him, but they went on and on nevertheless.

Moreover, they started coming to him regularly and
were extremely difficult to get rid of. The folklore
ending of this story is that, being unable to stop
them otherwise, our hero was forced to emigrate in 
France :). This is how CIA-paid Mormons are causing
the brain drain from Russia. 

Misha.
From: ESHEKHT@auvm.american.edu (Elaina Shekhter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Russian restaurant question
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:17:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: auvm.92324.121729ESHEKHT
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center

I'm trying to find the names and addresses of the two really famous Russian
restaurants in NYC.  I wanted to go to the Russian Tea Room, but my parents
insisted that if I want a taste of the real thing, I should visit one of the
places run by emigres.

I went to such a place in Chicago recently, and was not overly impressed. Does
anyone know what I can expect to find at the restaurants in NYC?  I don't want
anything too ethnic that will make it necessary for me to translate the menu
to my friends.   Bolshoe spasibo, in advance... Elaina.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: smir+@CS.CMU.EDU (Yury Smirnov)
Subject: Re: Tips on trouring in Russia..
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:12:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.204903.26347@research.nj.nec.com>, shm@syl.syl.nj.nec.com (Shailendra Majmundar) writes:
|> Hi All!
|> 
|> I will stop by for a week to 10 days in the former Soviet Union on my trip 
|> to India.  I have never been there and I am excited to see places. Could 
|> someone give me tips on 
|> 
|> * How and where to stay? Is there any Youth Hostel?

   If you are travelling by air, you'd better fly to St-Petersburg, then to
   Moscow and then to Deli. But if you prefer camels then after Moscow you
   can try to come to Middle Asia. 10 days are not enough to see even one
   of the mentioned cities. Russian variant of Youth Hostels is called
   campus student building. It is always full of students ( 3-6 in each room ),
   bugs ( 3-6 in each room ) and cockroaches ( 3-6 in each dish ). The best
   solution is to ask this net hosts for some addresses in Moscow and
   St-Petersburg, where you can safely stay for $15-20 per day including Russian
   food. 

|> * Whether it is safe and easy to drive a rental car? Note that I don't
|>   know any Russian at all.

   It is absolutely unsafe and uneasy to drive a car. Even Gorbachev's car
   was recently stolen, not speaking about rental foregn cars. The level of
   car thefts is one of the highest ( or maybe the highest ) in the World.
   If you still insists on visiting xSU and renting a car there, I'd recommend
   you to find a reliable person to accomodate and to ride with you. 

|> * Can I lock rest of my baggage somewhere on the Moscow airport and get
|>   around with a knap sack?

   If you wish to get rid of it, this is the easiest way to do it. 

|> * Any tips on how should I plan the trip? Should I purchase the train
|>   tickets ahead of time? I don't mind spending a couple of grans there.
|>   Is there any exciting place worth going by air?

   Moscow or St-Petersburg are sufficiently exciting themselves. If you don't want
   to get a poridge instead of impressions, you shouldn't go anywhere else. If you
   wish to go to Hell ( one more exciting place ), you can tempt your fate by
   flying Aeroflot Airplanes, if not - I wouldn't recommend you to do it.

|> * Any good travel book that I should read? 

   Nekrasov - "Komu na Rusi zhit' horosho".

|> * Could some one give me the phone # of the Russian Embassy?
|> * Is there any dangerous/red light areas that I should be aware of? What
|>   precautions  should I take? I'd like to stay away from the politically
|>   disturbed areas.

    It wouldn't protect you from crime. The whole Russia is so dangerous that
    you should expect the worst, unless you'll get a man to rely on.

|> 
|> Is there any FAQ on this issue? Any tips will be greatly appreciated.
|> 
|> Many thanks in advance,
|> Sam (shm@syl.nj.nec.com)

   Yury

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad)
Subject: Re: Leave Vysotsky alone!
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:30:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.051037.17600@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
>In article <1992Nov19.012523.11890@erg.sri.com> vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes:
>
>>What do you mean "a good guy". Vysotsky is a hated figure for all Pamyat
>>members and other "patriots" both for his "non_Aryan" blood, and for the
>>fact that he despised all these "patriots" and communists, and for the fact
>>that this "democrat and half-Jew" became the most beloved poet among
>>average Russians. 
>
>	Don't make me laugh. Obviously you never read anything
>	by those guys and never met them in person. The
>	Russian fascistic (well, patriotic) press 
>	*admires* Vysotsky. Ditto for the ordinary
>	Pamyat' supporters. They never believe he is
>	half-Jew, though :)

Well, I personally saw an attack on Vysotsky and Galich in the fascist
press. Even disregarding their Jewishness, Vysotsky's social position, his
love for freedom, hatred of chauvinism, making fun of antisemites,
soviet apparatchiks, dictators, etc. certainly rub the fascist-communist alliance
the wrong way "protiv shersti". 
>
>>Recall that two leaders of the fascist movement in Russia, Zhirinovsky and
>>Nevzorov, are half-Jewish themselves.
>
>	They don't believe those are half-Jewish either.
>
>	BTW, why the ethnicity is so important
>	for everybody on scs? It is disregarded even 
>	by those Pamyat' dudes! 

It is? I htink htat the scs's concern with ethnicity is a direct response
to the Pamyat's preoccupation with ethnicity. I personally worry about
ethnicity only because of the threat of pogroms in Russia by Pamyat against
everybody who happens to look Jewish.

Vlad

Employer disagrees
From: John.Slatter@durham.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Where is Sverdlovsk?
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:56:09 GMT
Reply-To: "soc.culture.soviet via ListServ" <SCS-L@indycms.iupui.edu>

In Urals (renamed Ekaterinburg).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: gene@max.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin)
Subject: Mutluism, Argicism == masochism
Organization: Institute for the Theoretical Physics
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:08:11 GMT

	Dorogie tovarischi! Dear comrades!
        Damy i gospoda! Ladies and gentlemen!

 For a long time we have witnessed a massive posting by H.B.Mutlu & S.Argic
into something like 15-20 newsgroups (including poor s.c.s). I do not want
to argue about history, since I'm not an expert -- I want to talk a little bit
about their mentality which (in my opinion) is dominated by ... masochism!

 I do not know when and how did it start. May be they have suffered from 
feministic movements or improper parent guidance during their childhood --
I do not know, but their articles indicate serious psychological traumas
resulting in totally self-nullifying behavior (again, I welcome a professional
opinion to be posted -- I'm just a physicist).

 Look, what would you expect to hear from a real man (tm), proud successor
of Ottoman turks -- great warriors of Middle Ages that managed to conquer the
whole Minor Asia (including the great Christian capital - Konstantinopolis) ? 
 Yes, you prepare yourself to hear something like this:

	My grandfather killed 500 armenians, my father killed
	700 armenians, I'm very young, so I've killed only 300
	armenians so far, but I'm trying to do my best!

 Naah, instead you drown in the abundant flow of shameful whining:

	Armenians genocided 2.5 million turks -- wha-a-a-a!

 That's pathetic guys! Go to your psychoanalyst for a tune-up! If you hate
armenians so much, this is not a way to defeat them. Don't waste your time
browsing through numerous books to extract one more example of your enemies'
success in this old long fight, don't waste your time typing pages and pages
of text that nobody reads anyway! Get a gun and go to Karabakh! The war is
going on there and not in the Usenet sites!

 And please, please, leave s.c.s alone!


 Thank you for your time, people, enjoy life! ;-)
______________________________________________________________________________
 Eugene  N.  Tyurin  <+>                          gene@max.physics.sunysb.edu
 Physics Department  <+>  Two wrongs do not make it right, but three lefts do.
 SUNY @ Stony Brook  <+>                              W. Siegel (unpublished)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: LANDSBERG@sbhep2.phy.sunysb.edu (Greg Landsberg)
Subject: Re: What are talking about?
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:39:55 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

In <1992Nov17.144230.23486@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> mb7s@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU writes:

> You guys better tell me how to get Visa or MC not via these stupid 
> socialistic Credit Unions, but directly.They seem to be certain that I'll 
> disappear as soon as Ia get their f...ing piece of plastics w/magnetic strip
> ape.
> Misha.

Aga! A  chto ti  esche  mozhesh' sdelat',  poluchiv  credit  card? Tak chto
poluchaj i smivajsya v NYC, tut to mi tvoi credit line i propjem! Kstati, a
chem  ploho propit'  credit  line from   ``socialistic Credit  Union''? Kak
izvestno, den'gi ne pahnut...

Cordially,

Greg
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: igor@cs.columbia.edu (Igor Pankevich)
Subject: Yuri Naumov's coming concert
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 00:06:54 GMT


Yuri Naumov, the "king of heavy blues", as somebody on this net had called him,
is giving a free concert this coming Tuesday, November 20th in the Russian House
of Columbia University in the city of New York.  It starts at 8pm.
If you are interested in coming, mail me  or call me at 212-853-6051 or 
212-939-7036 and I will give you directions on how to get here. Even if you 
know how to get here, you should still contact me becaause the security won't let
you into the building unless you have a Columbia ID or is accompanied by somebody
who does have one.
See you there!


--Igor P.
From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Patricia in parallel
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:44:01 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


Mikhail something or other writes:

>>Go and jack off, it's gonna to be a long line...


Mikhail Zeleny:

>Come now, boys, -- why assume that Patricia is limited to sequential
>processing?  Just go at it in parallel, but keep your own orifices
>safe from your competitors.


      Great idea, Misha.  For more references on the same
      subject, consult Pushkin's diaries from 1835 and 1836.


>>Oleg V
>> 
>>Disclaimer: my wife disagrees

>Michael.

>        Pedicabo vos et irrumabo
>        Aureli pathice et cinaede Furi...



      All right, Zeleny!  Catullus has great stuff
      to say on this subject.  I am especially fond
      of the poem in which he promises his mistress
      nine fuckings!

-- Eduard
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: dlv@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu (Dimitri Vulis, CUNY GC Math)
Subject: Re: How to map russian character set to a transliterated one ?
Reply-To: dlv@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu
Organization: Computer Center, CUNY Graduate School, New York NY 10036
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:38:44 GMT

>Does anyone have a complete mapping of the character set used in the above
>article to the transliterated one (used in this group) ?
>
>Oleg V
the character set 'really' used in the above group is KOI-8. (Actually,
the KOI-8 from the '74 GOST, not the new one).  The character set you're
quoting above is KOI-7, which is KOI-8 with the high bit stripped.

Here is the Russian alphabet in KOI-7:
ABWGDEVZIJKLMNOPRSTUFHC~{}XY_|~Q
            
Spasibo za kompliment, Oleg, no w swoej seksualxnoj fantazii ty qwno
pereocenil moi razmery. 

Note that uppercase Russian become lowercase Latin in KOI-7 and vice versa,
which allows one to write 'short KOI-7' using lower case for russian and
upper case for English:
     
kak nyn~e sbiraetsq MAMZER oleg
otmstitx nerazumnym HAZERIM

Hmm.
                   
Disclaimer: TCP/IP for OS/2 also sucks.

Dimitri Vulis
CUNY GC Math
DLV@CUNYVMS1.BITNET DLV@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU

Disclaimer: my Usenet postings don't necessarily represent anyone's views,
especially my own and/or CUNY's.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Mormons in Russia
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:31:06 GMT
	<1992Nov13.213256.60840@cc.usu.edu>

  In article <1992Nov13.213256.60840@cc.usu.edu>,
  slj1k@cc.usu.edu writes:

>In article <1992Nov13.194145.22679@zooid.guild.org>, Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>>   In article <1992Nov11.133332.60699@cc.usu.edu>,
>>   slj1k@cc.usu.edu writes:
>> 
>
>	Funny, I thought I would receive a bit more educated response than
>	that.  Try not to pass off your condescending prejudices against
>	those whom you don't know.  I can see how that attitude would make 
>	you think Lenin had a good idea.  Maybe you would like some current 
>	(post 1884) literature about my beliefs?
>
>	(person with ONE fiancee and plans for FOUR children, period.)
> 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Mark L. Reece     |  ``... and the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe and
>SLJ1K@CC.USU.EDU  |  saw.'' - Neil Peart ``... uh, Viv, can you, like, actually
>je taime, jen     |  kill yourself with laxative pills?'' - Neil, a young one.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>




  Why the hell did you think you'd receive a more educated response?

  Maybe you should visit small towns, post 1991, and see that in some places
your grand religion still sticks to it's roots.

  I don't want to start a religious war but hey, why not, I'm slightly bored so...

  There are some ridiculous religions but not many, that I know of, were based
on science fiction.

  There are also few religions that befriend and then blow-up anyone with
proof of their laughable beginnings. 


                                                      Adam

P.S. Check out the small hicktown of Colorado, Arizona and you'll see what I'm
spewing about.

P.P.S. More important than any argument of facts is the truth, that if you
remove the second "m" in "Mormon", you get Moron. HaHAhahA, that kind of
proves beyond a doubt that Mormonism is moronic, so let's argue about this
instead of the actual religion, it's more interesting. Oh gosh, I suppose the
devil is working through me!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry)
Subject: Re: Donahue/Pozdner show...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:52:00 GMT

galina@watson.ibm.com (Galina Kofman) writes:

>for.ieng aid [fo.r-*ing 'a-d], n.:
>             The transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to
>             rich people in poor countries.

Taking Galina's and Misha V.'s view in consideration, it seems that there
should be no help to Russia. Or is it, there shouldn't be *** kind of help?
If above definition is correct (even if it was meant as a joke :-), should
"help" be in the form of giving tax breaks to American businesses that invest
in Russia, as someone already suggested? That would be more in line with:
"The transfer of money from rich people of rich countries to poor people
in poor countries."

---Garik.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
From: feldstei@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ronald F. Feldstein)
Subject: Re: Dictionary sought
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:39:58 GMT

Russian-English on-line dictionaries are available from Leon Ungier at:

ungierl@ccmail.orst.edu

He also has an English-Russian dictionary in preparation.



Xref: sparky soc.culture.soviet:9986 rec.arts.books:20226
From: wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Edward Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Donahue/Pozdner [sic] show
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:52:59 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.


Garik Didinsky writes:

>Few days ago, I was watching Donahue/Pozdner show. Cannot say that I was
>too impressed, but then it is personal opinion. One things that struck
>me puzzling was Pozdner insistent calling for help to Russia. At every 
>opportunity he was stating that it is in American best interest to help
>Russia, that it is very important to help Russia, etc.

>"Why?" is a very natural question. Should America help Russia because if
>it doesn't, CIS will send its nuclear business card? Or should America
>help because it is the biggest and nicest country in the whole world?
>Or should America just use Russia as a new market?

>Maybe I can come up with more questions and answers on my own, but what still
>puzzles me is why Mr. Pozdner was saw insistent? Is he getting paid for it, or
>is he a patriot of his country? (Who is that masked man?)



      Garik, do you think with your mouth open and quill in hand?


-- Eduard
From: verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Donahue/Pozdner show...
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:32:05 GMT
Organization: Sozialistische Patienten Kollektiv


 (Simon Streltsov) writes:
 dima@maths.uwa.oz.au (Dima Pasechnik) writes:
>>didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:


>>>"Why?" is a very natural question. Should America help Russia because if
>>>it doesn't, CIS will send its nuclear business card?


>>etc." I think Garik is lucky having his relatives far away from Russia, which
>>certainly makes him not so concerned about what's happening there.
>>To the contrary, I'm concerned that my father, D.Sci., Prof., makes the
>>biggest part of his and his family living renting my flat in Moscow to
>>foreiners. I'm concerned that everything there is being done through the
>>well-known in this newsgroup hole.
>>I'm personally afraid, due to our pity, that possibility of 2nd civil
>>war in Russia is to be concerned, as the very existence of the life on
>< other concerns deleted >


>So, do you think that America should give Russia money, so that all
>your relatives would continue renting your apartment safely?

>Or maybe it's your primary responsibility to take them out of there?
>(I don't want it to sound like a flame, sorry, I understand, that
>there can be zillions of reasons why you can't do it)

I agree with Simon. For me, as for Russian citizen, Yeltsin's-
Pozner's begging for a help is shameful. There is no way to 
feed the whole country, and Western help only spoil people.
Basically, everything got stolen in capitals or on the way 
from capitals, so they feed these capitals *only*, and mostly
criminal elements and bureaucracy there. 

This only illustrates the general principle that no treasure
will be of use if you haven't got it by labour. The country
is quite capable to feed itself if not the political and
economical unrest, and the help from outside only 
makes the unrest worse. Yeltsin uses it to cover his
own mistakes, and everywhere outside of Russia and Baltics
the Western help gets stolen openly by criminals and
nomenclatura. 

If not the help, the Russian goverment could make 
the radical reform (e.g. money reform), and now 
they are too afraid of the loss of popularity to
comfort themselves with the dreams of help instead
of working. It gets only worse and worse, and on a big
part, due to this help. All help should be personal
(e. g., the MIT professor I. Singer is currently out in Russia
with the money helping *concrete* people), but not
to abstract organization like Academy of Sciences or
Russian Goverment.

Misha.

P. S. BTW, I have a lot of relatives in Russia...
Still, I don't understand the need in Western help
to Yeltsin - I sincerely believe that it makes the 
situation in Russia *worse*.
From: pv02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER VOROBIEFF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet
Subject: Re: Svetoi Nikolai... Yuck!
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:37:23 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <BxvxLA.EED@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, didinsky@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (didinsky garry) writes:
>Skimming October's issue (I think) of "Ogonyek", I came across article
>in which sainthood of Nikolas the Last was discussed.  It seems that
>Russian clergy is considering giving Nikolai the title of saint. 
>
>Is there anyone in this news group who thinks that Nikolai was a saint?
>You know guys, it is like if there is enough of us, who think, you know
>like this, we can, like, find a 800 number where we can send donations to
>tsar' Nikolai, so that they would elect him to be, like, a saint.

A nice idea. And let the number be 1-800-EAT-S**T.

OK, frankly speaking, one more wimp in the Russian orthodox pantheon
won't really change anything: even the FIRST two were wimps (I mean
Boris & Gleb). The only decent guy in their time was Svyatopolk - he
really cared for Russia, and they accused him of the murder of those
two drinkers and f***ers and made him flee to Western Europe. He was
the first Russian dissident, I assume. And Alexander Nevskiy... Really,
what a nice f***ing idea of him was to decline the idea of the joint
Teutonic-Russian crusade against the Orda and to lick the fat Orda's ass
instead. And sure he got what he deserved like a traitor who expelled
his own brother to Sweden (another dissident!) and burned _Russian_
cities - poison from his Orda masters! Or that b***h from St. Petersburg -
what was her name - who screwed in the graveyards...

Hmm... I never felt like Russian sainthood was too good for Nicholas II,
but now I begin to think that, in fact, it may be too _bad_ for him...

And, in any case, why look for a saint and not consider Alexander I?
This guy's life was really interesting, he gave no orders to shoot at
peaceful demonstrations and had enough guts to get retired after his
imperial duties bored him. In fact, he was the first Russian ruler who
ever voluntarily retired and the only one who became a holy man after
retirement. But it will need a new church to be founded - the old one
is far too filthy and KGB-infested.

With this posting I don't mean to offend any Orthodox Christians -
all the facts of history can be treated in many ways, so I don't 
claim to possess the sense of ultimate historical truth. And, in any
case, you may worship Yog-Sothoth and still be a nice guy (to some
extent). I, for instance, pay homage to none but Unduk of the Warhammer.

-- 
Thus spake Kalmoth the Vile, Slayer of the Seven Pigs of the North.