HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: az1@ukc.ac.uk (A.Zafar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Just a request
Date: 7 Apr 92 01:55:55 GMT
Reply-To: az1@ukc.ac.uk (A.Zafar)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Apr5.051942.2261@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umnoor@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Nasir Ahmed Noor) writes:
>In <Apr.4.21.27.47.1992.2563@andromeda.rutgers.edu> hassan@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Nabila Hassan) writes:
>
>>I have seen a lot of people Change thier names [when posting articles].
>>I would like to know how to change my name.
>
>>Thanx .
>*IF* you are a male, I can let you know how to change the name and email
>address on the posts. If you are femail as name shows then I am sorry as
>I don't want to be named "Tharki" again!
>
>No offence intended. Just a previous experience asks me to be more carefull
>as there are still many people on the net who live in self formed "backward
>villages" in America and for them any one who even smiles while talking to
>a girl is a "head Tharki"
>
>Please take no offence, please, please, please......

	Wow, if people are getting intimidated already, I wonder what the
senario would be if all the universities in Pakistan were linked to the
network.

--
			 - Aman Zafar 			_   /|
			 - University of Kent 		\'o.O'
			 - England. 			=(___)=	
							   U
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: faryal@torment.ugcs.caltech.edu (Faryal [Pink Floyd] Ghalib)
Subject: Re: Harassment? Toba, Toba!
Organization: Caltech Undergraduate Computer Science
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:34:35 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.021526.20743@wuecl.wustl.edu> mss1@cec1.wustl.edu (Muhammad Sajid Saeed) writes:
>First, what harassment??? All was said in jest! Bad taste,maybe, but
>harassment,toba toba! The fun now resumes...
>
	Bad taste Hmmmm, well there is difference in having bad taste
	talking cheep shots at someone's expense.

>Widen your horizons, atom heart mother!
>
	Well look who is talkin? You are the one that had a problem
	with the original posting.

>>No perhaps you are 'awake at the verge of insanity' 
>Wide awake too! And it's killing me! "Brain damage", I guess...
>
	'Lunitic is in your head'

>Maybe someday you'll have a school of thought of your own. Scary, though!
>
	I already do would you like to join?

Faryal // 
		brain damage
		pink floyd

the lunatic is on the grass
the lunatic is on the grass
remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
got to keep the loonies on the path

the lunatic is in the hall
the lunatics are in my hall
the paper holds their folded faces to the floor
and every day the paper boy brings more

and if the dam breaks open many years too soon
and if there is no room upon the hill
and if your head explodes with dark forbodings too
ill see you on the dark side of the moon

the lunatic is in my head
the lunatic is in my head
you raise the blade, you make the change
you re-arrange me 'till i'm sane

you lock the door
and throw away the key
there's someone in my head but it's not me.
and if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
you shout and no one seems to hear
and if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
i'll see you on the dark side of the moon.
--
God is real, unless declared integer
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Pakistan is the place to live (not XYZ city in Pakistan)
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:09:54 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <1992Apr3.000712.10706@cs.yale.edu> zafar@twolf4.CE.YALE.EDU (Farrukh Zafar) writes:
>In article <702237552@volga.cs.duke.edu>, azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu 
>(D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) reveals:
>|> It is nice to see someone giving due regard to national unity
>|> on an SCP where "Karachi is a place to be" stinks of regionalism, and
>|> "ethnocentric mindset". 
>
>Let me see who is making these comments here. Oh! It's DS[Q]A :-)
>Nice surprise from someone whose world revolves around Durham,
>North Carolina, who spends his vacations in Florida and wants to 
>live in suburban California after his retirement, and is currently
>establishing his consulting company in the West coast! :-) 
>(Oh Jee! I again forgot to send you my resume :-)) 

	   I do live in Durham, and have established a consulting company
to implement some of my theoretical ideas. However, the reason for
recent trips to Florida has been business, not pleasure. I would like
to retire in suburban California because the league cricket there
would accommodate an old me, and yet it is competitive enough. [I
won't stand a chance at club level in Pakistan after retirement]. 

>Knowing why you've specifically mentioned *Bath Island*, I certainly
>resent the implication (hee hee hee :-)) 

	   I mentioned some areas as examples of locations where people
live for ostentatious reasons, as opposed to convenience. My affinity
for California is for pragmatic reasons, and trips to Florida for
business reason.

>Farrukh [Pakistani by birth,
>         Bath Islander by the grace of God :-)]  Zafar
>Yale

   Salman [Cricketer by birth, and a good one by the grace of God] Azhar
-- 
``I will pass you in a small boat trapped by stormy seas, without
saying a word. Perhaps, there is nothing to say, and there is no time
for words. In these situations, words lose their meanings.''
          ----- D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Sequel to Fitters Dictionary
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:46:55 GMT

assalam alaikum

nu additions.

Dajjal - corruption of word dazzle, used by Sultan Rahi for Mussarat 
	 Shaheen.

Brush-with-Death - term used by a personal hygene company for promoting 
	           their tooth brushes for KhudKash people

Aakhthu - imported from German (Aachtung) only common linguistic link
	  between Germany and Lalookhet.

Garmi'e'Bazar - term used on Wall Street when a bullish hulla (you can
		add gulla too) is taking place, and program selling takes
		over from the brokers.

ChuhayDaan - cycologist specializing in mice cycology.

Chatora - word used by females for Amer (also a research topic).

more later may be.

Murad [afraid of the DAY] Mirza.
From: anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM)
Subject: SoHni, Iishq aur Naveed........
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:52:22 GMT


Naveed Siraj Memon writes:
|>         Kachay ghaRay nay jeet lee nadee charhee hoyee
|>         mazboot kashteeton ko kinara naheeN mila.
|> 
|> 
|>         Anyway it is interesting that SoHni initiates her Final Search while
|>         Mahival takes the lead from her and proceeds to the river soon after
|>         Sohni is swallowed by the River. The River is Iishq, Adil. What do you
|>         think :)

	This is an interesting interpretation.....however, my view would be
	slightly different [BTW this is just one view.....opinion, not
	expertise]..........

	To me it is the "ghara" which represents iishq, while the "mazboot
	kashtiaayan" are materialism with all its attendant worldly domains.
	To me the "naddi charhee hoee" would be the world --the zamana-- along
	with all its ups and downs and its turbulent waves.....The truth that 
	SoHni seeks is not IN the river but is in OVERCOMING the river...that
	is, in overcoming the world, the zamana with all its be-karani(z).....
	......what do you say?			;-)


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ADIL [masjid Dha thay, mandir Dha thay, Dha thay jo kuch Dhainda aye
      par kissay da dill na dhaNveeN, SoNra Rabb dillaN ich rainda aye] NAJAM
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	++++ shatter the mosque and shatter the temple
	     			shatter all you see
	     but do not break the heart, no, never,
			for God lives in the heart
From: 32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU (Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: 'Ribba & baipardah khawateen'
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:41:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: CMUVM.92104.05415432JMVQG
Organization: Central Michigan University

Salam Alaikum :

       'Baipardah Khawateen' simply cannot digest paradah (in any shape or kind
), I wonder whether they deal with riba ?  In following the west blindly we are
going in 'Asfalus Safleen'.  I wish there would be an Islamic government and we
 can refer to these 'apwai' khawateen 'madar pidar azad' to 'shari adalat', and
these khawateen can take us to 'sharie adalat' for a final judgement ?  Because
they are denying the validity of Quran and Sunnah ?  They are pleading that aid
s growup in our teenagers upto  70% ?  This is what they are pleading for.

        'La Ikraha fiddeen' (No force in accepting religion), those who love we
stern life style why they do not live here but why they are spoiling our sister
, daughters and our own Islamic society?  If there is any need we will give the
m money to bring their sisters (westners) from Pakistan so they could live toge
ther 'Kunud ham gins ba ham jins parwaz' (birds of the same feather flies toget
her).  Once women start sitting with male the real game starts : They do not pr
ay, they are in lust of opposite sex (to allure and entice).  This is equally a
pplicable to the men of the similar nature also ?  Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) clea
rly says that 'intermingling of mahram and namahram is not allowed'.

         This is very bad habit and anti-Islamic and it does not go in one day.
May Allah help us to understand Islamic teachings.  Would u thought to sleep wi
th me ?  One muslim girl told me for seeking help against that'shaitain'.  This
is true and haq that 'women are not allowed to travel more than 3 days or stay
without wali or maharam'  (Sahih Bukhari).  One could easily analyse the
deterioration of this direct injuction of sharia.  In my university, muslim gir
ls go to bar and dance and muslim (Pakistani student), from bar came to us, tha
t why u do not stop at least these muslim girls, they are playing doctor doctor
with Americans ????

        What we can do :

       'Ye arzoo thi tughe gul ke robaroo kerte
        Ham aur bulble baitab guftago kartai '

        They are raising the Pakistani flag more high ?  That is what our 'bai
pardah khawateen' want in Pakistan.  Salam.
From: azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Zero
Date: 16 Apr 92 01:21:00 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <2407@news.duke.edu> shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.133525.39213@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> mausoof@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>Q. What is the most important contribution to Science by the people of Indian
>>subcontinent?
>>A. Nothing.
>>					Saqib Mausoof

>Well, there are Chandrasekhara Venkata Raman, Bose and Subramanyam 
>Chandrashekar.  Of course, there is Abdus Salaam.  But enough of
>physics, have you heard of Har Gobind Khorana ?  Closer to home,
>ever heard of Ahmed Iqbal Bukhari ?  Get a Who's Who in Science
>and check them out.

	   Mausoof should have heard of Farrukh [hardware] Zafar,
Saad [brainware] Shafqat, Sunia [spectroscopist] Afzaal, Sabaa
[symbolist] Butt, and of course Adil [knows almost everything] Najam,
etc. If not, please check them out. 

Salman [Vitalstatistix] Azhar




-- 
 I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
 I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
 I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
 I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: msaeed@isis.cs.du.edu (Sphinx of Sphinxes)
Subject: F L O Y D // GHALIB : The truth!!!
Followup-To: 	H e l l !!!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 09:46:06 GMT


			S T O P    P R E S S
			====================
			N E W S   F L A S H !

Excerpt from a leading national newspaper (and my favorite bathroom literature!)
, the National Enquirer:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>From our correspondents in Delhi, India and London, England:

	An earth shocking confession was made by the lyric writers of
the punk band Pink Floyd. The writers, who chose to be anonymous, accepted in
an interview with the Enquirer that their lyrics had actually been written by
an Indian poet Mirza Asad-ullah Ghalib. Mirza Ghalib is one of the foremost
Urdu poets of India.

	Ghalib, widely beleived to have died in the 19th century is alive and
kicking. He is beleieved to be in hiding somewhere across the Atlantic, 
studying at some Institute, under deeeep cover. Ghalib, according to one of
Pink Floyd's band members has always been a [discreet] part of the band. "He
was adamant that his name remain undisclosed, as the world thought of him
as an alcoholic, penniless Eastern poet", Gilxxxx said. "But what a great dude
she actually is", he added, in his deeply doped voice.

	Processions are on the streets in Delhi, demanding Ghalib's return to 
India. 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Moral of the story, you ask? GHALIB and FLOYD are inseparable !!!!!

Three cheers for Floyd (oops!),  make that Ghalib!
From: ahmad@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Rashid Ahmad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Faiz's Nazam.
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:59:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: noose.1992Apr13.195921.14494
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


    With reference to Adil Najam's posting of a Faiz masterpiece, Mr. Najam
missed the first two lines of the nazam. Here they are:

	Chashm-e-nam, jaane shoreeda kaafi nahin.
	Tuhmat-e-ishq posheeda kaafi nahin.
From: k79x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Current Job Situation in Pakistan?
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:12:01 EST
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

Since it is just about the end of another academic year, does anyone know about
the job situation in Pakistan at this time?  Has the "privatisation" process
created more jobs for Pakistanis, particularly those related to engineering
fields?  
	Would anyone who has recently returned from Pakistan or has looked into
the issue like to say something?



Please, NO JUNK MAIL.    Thank You.
                                	               	               	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ys3359@sarah.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: Women and Burqa: Analyzing the recent discussion
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 16:45:18 GMT

Assalamoalaikum

	The reason I did not reply to the earlier posting and have not
replied to invitations for an e-mail discussion is because I believe you
and I are completely different in our ways of thinking.  I don't think
a discussion would yield any results.  I think you will find me a touch
to liberal.  I believe in equality.  This is equality without regard to
gender, race, religion, ethnic or national origin or sexual orientation.
I believe a good society is one which acknowledges this equality and
acts accordingly.  I also believe in freedom as long as the actions of one
do not infringe upon the rights of another to freely act.  This includes
the freedom to commit adultery, the freedom to have a homosexual relationship,
the freedom to write blasphemous books, etc.  I don't care whether I feel
these acts are "right" or "wrong".  My feelings are irrelevant unless I
am engaging in the acts myself.  This does not mean I do not have an opinion
or that I will never voice my opinion.  It means I don't think my opinion
should be imposed on the lifestyles of others.
	I engage in discussions when I feel that I can learn from the 
person I am engaged in this discussion with.  Your comments in other
postings including the one which declared that those who don't like purdah
are "party lovers with lust in their hearts" are proving to me that you
have very little you can contribute to a discussion besides reactionary
and bigoted comments.  I am not fond of beating my head against a wall.

Khudahafiz

Yasmin

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Qadianis, Baha'ais, Ahmadis, .. etc.
From: slc89@europa.ee.usu.edu (eneim mohammed omar)
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:03:23 MDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

Assalamu Alamanittaba'alhuda:
Ofcourse, those poeple affiliated to the groups mentioned above are not included !!!
I would like to say to all of you out there (Qadianis, Ahmadis, Baha'is, Batteekhis, )
that you are on the wrong track, and many Muslim scholars have stamped you with (KUFR)
infidelity. You are not considered as Muslims, becuase you have invented a lot of things
and related them to religion. Islam is not what you have guys. What you really have is
a collection of halucinations assembled by those clowns you call (prophets). 
Porphet Mohammad (pbuh) is the last prophet who was sent to all man kind either you like it
or not.
Next time, if any of you wants to talk about his belief, just don't link it with Islam.
Can't you see guys that any crazy person can declare himself a prophet, and this is not
strange but the strange thing about it is that this guy will find some blind poeple to 
follow him.
                                    Mohammad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Re: Have you driven a Floyd,lately?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:48:00 GMT

ts2@cec2.wustl.edu (Talha Siddiqui) writes:

>In article <mirza.703286856@pegasus.sce.carleton.ca> mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza) writes:
>>ts2@cec2.wustl.edu (Talha Siddiqui) writes:
>>
>>>In article <mirza.703114458@pegasus.sce.carleton.ca> mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza) writes:
>>>>msaeed@isis.cs.du.edu (Sajid Saeed (Floyd? Nah!!!)) writes:
>>>>
>>>>>Interesting discussion we havin' at Pink Floyd's expense! Anyone else care to
>>>>>join, or is it just me and...
>>>>
>>>>>				sajid [Sniper at the gates of Pasadena!] Saeed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>assalam alikum
>>>>
>>>>No i haven`t since i know that it actually means F(l)ix Ol(y) Repail Daily/
>>>>Monthly/Yearly.
>>>>
>>>>I can't understand why Pink Floyd, why not Aziz Mian???
>>>		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>> To keep buffoons like you off the Net! Or did Aziz mian also do ACID???
>>
>>>>khuda hafiz.
>>>>
>>>>all standard disclaimers apply.
>>>>
>>>>Murad[Ghalib'e'Waqt]Mirza. 
>>>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>>But what about Pinky...Ghalib...alive...kicking ???
>>
>>>Talha Siddiqui.
>>
>>assalam alaikum
>>
>>Anyway who the buff#$@ are you? to say such buffuuunery!!
>		^^^^^^^			     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I think your intelligence speaks for itself!!!

>>watch your words when you write!!!

>or else...?

>>
>>khuda hafiz
>>
>>and Ghalib had a reality and integrity problem too!
>>
>>Murad[your faithfuul servant]Mirza.   

assalam alaikum

bhai ghusay maat ho, kabhi kabhi garmi'e'bazar chaar jati hay aaisi
najas batain daikh kar.

waisay "or else...?" kay kai javab ho saktay hain but the one I like
is:
	Laraai, Laraai Muaf Kaaro, Allah ka Ghar saaf kaaro

and this is just for the friends!!!

Murad [sometime in a Fit] Mirza.
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: University of Texas At Austin
Keywords: TIP AND CNS HOSTELS
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:04:29 GMT
Followup-To: NONE
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

DEAR BROTHERS AT UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN,


 Assalam alaykum,


    I want to know about my friend  Mr. Shahid Aziz-ul-Haq. He is probably
studying in the Department of Petroleum Engineering  University of Texas at
Austin. He has joined this university recently. I request to all of you to
please convey my message to him that i am eagerly waiting for his response
on this network.  If he reads this message please contacat me on this
network immedeately.
 
               your brother
				
              Ibrahim Mustafa
	      		
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:6583 soc.culture.bangladesh:2467 soc.culture.indian:14537
From: mirza@sce.carleton.ca (Murad A. Mirza)
Subject: Re: Shakespeare's real origins (......old story.....)
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 13:22:07 GMT

anajam@athena.mit.edu (ADIL NAJAM) writes:


>Murad A. Mirza writes:
>|> Chaltay, Chaltay Amer Qureshi Kay April Ist Message mein ye bhi add kar doun:
>|> 
>|> William Shakespeare was actually from Campbellpur (near Jacobabad), new
>|> research by JD (an independent D.C. tink thank) shows.  His real name was  
>|> Wali Sheikh Pir.
>|> 
>|> Murad Mirza.


>	Please don't spread misinformation on the Net.
>	It has already been established through protracted
>	scientific research and extensive evidence that
>	Shakespeare was originally from Sheikhupura (not 
>	Campbellpur) and his ancestors had moved to Bradford 
>	soon after Vasco Da Gamas arrival in the South Asian
>	sub-continent.  
>	
>	However your information on his real name is correct.


>	ADIL [  to be or not to be ....... ] NAJAM

assalam alaikum

May be you are right and JD is wrong (JD may be creating this misinformation
to net poor people like me)
	
	Mian Najjaar Bhi Seenchay (<= correct me on this word) GaAae Aaj
	Baray Taiz Hain Europe Kay Randay
                (from Allama's Bay Chaen Dil)

Anyway thanks for the informatica.

      	Murad [poor guy ] MIRZA
From: murtza@andromeda.rutgers.edu (SANDMAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: TEST IGNORE
Date: 10 Apr 92 16:35:56 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

JUST TESTING MY SIGNATURE.
IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT IT SEND E-MAIL.
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: Women and Burqa: Analyzing the recent discussion
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 13:51:40 GMT

In article <92103.21150332JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Mahfooz Ahmed Jafry <32JMVQG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>Salam alaikum :
>
>  The verses referred by Ms. Yasmeen is not true representation of Holy Quran.
>  I already wrote these verses again in my last post i.e of Ahzab.  She specif
>ically wrote that 'purdah is for the family of prophet(s)' but the direct verse
>s of Quran says 'for family of the prophet(s) and muslim beliving women'.

	The verses I referenced in my article were taken from the
	Pickthall translation of the Quran.  I have seen other 
	translations and they have not put the part about the believing
	women in.  Mr. Jafry's posting is the first time I have seen
	all the believing women included into that verse.  Even 
	Maulana Maudoodi did not put in all the believing women 
	literally into the verse.  He inferred it using his own
	logic.  
	This post is to simply clarify that I have not changed
	the translation in any possible way and did copy it word for
	word from a reputable source.

	Khudahafiz

	Yasmin	
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