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From: morgan@dl5000.bc.edu (Morgan Stair)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: release date of SB16 ?
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:54:21 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Institute for Space Research, Boston College


   Hello all,
   I sold my Thunderboard a while ago, and was hoping to buy the
   Sound Blaster Pro 16 as a replacement.  Every month, I look though
   almost all of the computer magazines, and the two companies that
   keep on adversing the board do not have them.  I called in many
   times (Last 3 months of Computer Shopper) and talked to them about
   their ads, but they keep on saying that they won't get the board
   until January.  I wonder why they keep on putting it in.

   Anyway, can someone tell me the real story behind this.  I have
   quite enough info about the board.  I just need the date of which
   it will be available to be purchased.  I am sure some of you who
   work for Creative Labs can release this info, can't you?

   Thanks!!!    Duc

  I did the same thing, only I sold my TB in January last year.
Frustration, frustration, what to buy?  I read up on GUS (only $133),
and ended up ordering one before they were out, so I went through all
the hassles of waiting for it, and hearing about the early buggy
emulation.  Would they improve it or would sbos never get improved?
Would companies support it, or would it die?!

  I've got may GUS now, and I'm thrilled.  The emulation hassles are
virtually gone (okay, there are two flags you need to use for some
games).  Electronic Arts, MicroProse are supporting GUS in its native
mode, and LucasArts and Sierra are turning supportive as well.

  If you don't buy a GUS now, at least wait a little longer!  Buying
an SB16/Pro/2.0 now, would be like going back about two years, when
almost everything would run on a 286, and buying a really fast (20MHz)
286 machine when LESS EXPENSIVE 386's were available.  It's outdated
technology.  For more info send mail as follows and you'll be put on
the GUS mailing list:

To: ultrasound-request@dsd.es.com
Subject: add-to-list
(no body)

  Don't be a fool!  You sent mail to comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard so
you'd get up to date information right?  Well at least look into
getting an Ultrasound card.  I'm thrilled with my choice right now,
and I think I'd be very sorry in a month or two if I'd gotten an FM
card, like the CreativeLabs line, instead.
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From: galenr@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Galen Raben)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:19:09 GMT
Subject: Re: VB & Soundblaster
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard, avlb@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu (A V Louis Biggie) writes:

>How do you play .WAV files through a soundblaster under VB.
>Thank you.
>Louis

In your global module declare:

Declare Function sndPlaySound Lib "MMsystem" (ByVal lpSound As String, 
 ByVal Flags As Integer) As Integer  'should be all on one line

Global Const SND_SYNC = 0      'play synchronously (default)
Global Const SND_ASYNC = 1     'play asynchronously

In your program simply put:

Result% = SndPlaySound("TADA.WAV", SND_ASYNC)

Yes it's really that easy!!!

- Galen -
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From: gting@fraser.sfu.ca (Gabriel Sii Kuok Ting)
Subject: Re: SB16 Released at Last!
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:29:10 GMT

swkgohw@nuscc.nus.sg (Sir Launcelot Du Lac) writes:


>Hail People!

>At long last, the Sound Blaster 16 ASP hast been released in it's home
>country, Singapore!  Cost is S$498 (about US$300-350).  But now, I'm a

US$300 for an FM based card??? What a joke. And I thought the PAS16 was
overpriced...

>little uncertain as to what to do, for the MIDI Blaster is touted for
>release early next year.  This wilt allow playback of General MIDI format
>sound, so 'twould be nearly as good as the Roland SCC-1.  The Wave Blaster

With the price of both cards included, it would also be as expensive as
the SCC-1 too. :)

>daughterboard for SB16 will also allow this.  The question now is: should
>I get the SB16, then the Wave Blaster? or wait for the MIDI Blaster and
>connect that to my current SB Pro? or get SB16 and then the MIDI Blaster?

If the Wave Blaster can be connected to your present SBPro, I see no reason
why you would want to go for the SB16. As I understand it, the SB16 is 
nothing more than a 16bit version of the SB Pro, and at that price, one
wonders when native support for the SB16's DSP will come about. Certainly
not as fast as those coming out for the GUS. (Star Con 2 is a fine example)

>Any advice anyone?  Also, dost anyone have a more specific date as to when
>the MIDI Blaster wilt be released?

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gting@sfu.ca
From: jtk@netcom.com (Jane Valencia)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Can the PAS16 sample AND playback at the same time?
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:38:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1992Dec12.183822.4810
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

sol@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (larry carrier) writes:

>Haven't seen an answer anywhere on this one...but is the PAS16 capable of
>digital sampling and playback together???..


Yes, but you have to use the SB audio section.  So you probably
record in 16 bits with the PAS16 part and playback with the 8-bit
SB section.

If somebody had both SB and PAS16 audio drivers for Win 3.1 it would be
interesting to see if you could drive both wave devices.

					Andy Valencia
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: A VGA GAME
From: nunn@it.ntu.edu.au (JsNO  BAR---NUNN)
Date: 21 Dec 92 11:15:03 +0900
Reply-To: nunn@it.ntu.edu.au
Distribution: world
Organization: Information Technology, Northern Territory University

  Hello,


I've half-made this VGA game that I don't want to continue to make. 
Soon I'm going to be putting the excutable, source and documention on
the net for any one that wants to learn how to make a basic graphical
scrolling game (like Paradroid on the C-64).

  I have't decided where I will put it yet. I'll do it in about 2 weeks
or so.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran)
Subject: Re: Got my GUSes from Telemart!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:09:59 GMT

In article <Bz4v99.I5s@news.iastate.edu> wity@iastate.edu (Wity Ganda) writes:
>In article <Bz42KD.FuF@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca> ptran@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Phat H Tran) writes:
>>>
>>>Now, if I just could get my computer back, as this laptop
>>>has no slots..:( BTW, disks are version 1.21 and card 2.2.
>>>I assume these are the latest?
>>
>>Those are the latest.
>>
>>Phat.
>
>Nope.  I've just got my GUS, and the card is Rev. 2.4
>

Whoa!  Another revision!  Interesting...  I wonder what the differences are.
Does anybody have both revs 2.2 and 2.4 to compare?

Phat.
From: krw1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Kevin Weiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Turtle Beach Multisound
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:29:06 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <Xs0uVB1w164w@musubi.pubnet.com>, rsasaoka@musubi.pubnet.com (Yahagi
Shogo) writes:
>
>  The one thing that came to mind was that has the MultiSound board gone
>through any improvements, and if so, are the boards that are selling for
>a cheaper price, like the one in the PC Zone, is an older board and that

Turtle Beach cites lower production costs and competitive pressure in
explaining the new price.  The design hasn't changed since it was first
released.
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From: cjohnson@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Christopher Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: --->DEMO UPDATE<---
Date: 21 Dec 1992 00:33:52 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au

rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:

>andy@hpsmo100.rose.hp.com (Andy Young) writes:
>>Dan Wright (dmw@crow.eel.ufl.edu) wrote:
>>>Is there anyone out there who knows the "getting a newsgroup" process and can help get us a comp.sys.ibm.pc.demo newsgroup?

>>I think this is a spectacular idea, but know nothing about the process of
>>RFD, CFV, etc etc.

>I do... the big questions are: a) is there enough support?  To be created
>the group needs 100 more yes votes than no votes, and the yes votes
>must be at least a 2/3 majority.  b) how much traffic would there be -
>is it worth the two months it takes to create the group? 

YES!

there, there's one vote already.

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From: harrison@lclark.edu (Mark Harrison)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Which OPTi chipset works with GUS?
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:17:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Dec14.181705.11293
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

In article <1992Dec14.055749.15938@resumix.portal.com> chetc@resumix.portal.com (Chester L. Cuaresma) writes:
>I've heard that some people have gotten their GUS to work with certain
>versions of the OPTi chipset.  My question is, which versions are
>'compatible' with GUS?
>
>I have a 386/40 with the following OPTi chips:
>
>	OPTi HiD/386 AT chipset:
>		82c391 System Controller (SYSC)
>		82c392 Data Buffer Controller
>
>Will these chips work with the GUS (I hope so!)?  I really would like
>to buy a GUS...

Chet, you MIGHT be in luck.  I just had my motherboard replaced a few
weeks ago (still under warrantee :-) and my new chipset is OPTi
82c391/392.  So I presume that's the same as yours.  All my GUS stuff
works perfectly now.  But I would stongly suggest you buy the GUS from a
place where you are able to return it if need be.

Good luck!
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harrison@sun.lclark.edu |   Our great computers fill the hallowed halls."
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN)
Subject: Re: ALERT GUS vs SB-16+Wave module,
Organization: Universite de Moncton
Distribution: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 22:01:48 GMT

In article <BIGGLES.92Dec12135035@biggles.nsc.com> biggles@biggles.nsc.com (biggles) writes:
>From: biggles@biggles.nsc.com (biggles)
>Subject: ALERT GUS vs SB-16+Wave module,
>Date: 12 Dec 92 21:50:35 GMT

>I think everybody should hold on a second before they buy their next 
>soundcard. (Un)Creative Labs has just released their next generation
>SoundBlaster (SB-16 I believe -- I just saw a demo of it at CompUSA)
>The new 16-bit 44KHz sampling board lists at $349 and the *Add-On*
>Em-u chip WaveBoard is $249. Thats $598 to get te same sounds as a GUS.
>It does come with some nicer software tho'

	The GUS  has been released in a hurry.  Nicer software is coming and 
will be available on Gravis BBS and FTP sites.  So, for under $200, the GUS 
is still the winner.
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From: waardenb@cs.utwente.nl (Jerry van Waardenberg)
Subject: GUS in Holland
Keywords: GUS, SOundcards
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 09:09:05 GMT

For all you readers in The Netherlands:

ZYZtm in Duiven en Amsterdam verkoopt de Gravis UltraSound voor fl.299,- excl.
BTW. Alleen in januari. E'en maand omruilgarantie en een jaar fabrieksgarantie.

Het Computer Collectief in Amsterdam verkoopt de GUS voor 399,- incl. BTW. Ik
geloof dat zij e'e'n jaar garantie geven.

Let wel op dat je een recent type koopt. De kaarten met revisienummer 2.2 en hoger
schijnen zonder problemen te werken.

Groetjenz,

Jerry

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From: andy@hpsmo100.rose.hp.com (Andy Young)
Subject: Re: --->DEMO UPDATE<---
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:44:16 GMT
Organization: Nosferatu U.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6]

Ron Dippold (rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com) wrote:
[text deleted]
>I do... the big questions are: a) is there enough support?  To be created
>the group needs 100 more yes votes than no votes, and the yes votes
>must be at least a 2/3 majority.  b) how much traffic would there be -
>is it worth the two months it takes to create the group? 


I think so. It seems that a lot of people (myself included) cannot FTP; it
sure would be nice to get all of the latest and greatest demos (not only
sound but games, applications, etc) without having to use ftpmail or
(worse) beg someone to email a copy.

There would be a heck of a lot of traffic, IMO. Binary groups seem to
attract MB after MB of info ;-) Two months? No problem...

--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: grickett@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Gregory A Ricketts)
Subject: Siege and PAS-16
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:07:57 GMT


I'm having problems with the digitized sound effects in Siege
(clanging swords, catapults, cries of the dying), oddly enough no problems
with the music portion.  I'm using the SoundBlaster mode of my PAS-16.
After ~1 min of the sound effects, I get a high-pitched white noise sound,
though the music score keeps playing.  I'm tried running Siege out of Dos
instead of Windows, after a cold boot with no calls to Windows, so I'm sure
Windows is not the culprit.  Has anyone else had this problem, if so how
was the problem solved?  Greg.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
From: tmottone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Teemu Mottonen)
Subject: Re: SB16 / MPU401 mode HEEELP!!!!!
Keywords: SB16
Organization: University of Helsinki
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:15:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.111225.22713@statoil.no> jel@kingddb.be.statoil.no (Jan Erik Larsen) writes:
>I Just got my new SB16, which I bought for the MPU401 compatibility on
>the MIDI interface.
>
>I just can't seem to get the MPU401 mode to work correctly, the machine hangs
>if any software tries to use it (BAND-IN-THE-BOX etc...)

Hi.

The MMPU-401 has two modes: a "dumb" UART mode and an intelligent mode.
In the latter mode it handles some of MIDI processing (I think), in the
first the computer has to do all the work. 
 
The SB16 is compatible with the MPU-401 UART MIDI, not with the
intelligent mode. So you can't use programs that try to use the
intelligent mode. Of course, there are some programs that use the
MPU-401 UART MODE, but not many since it's much easier to let the
MPU handle things. 

Hope this helps, and hope you get your money back.
Teemu.
-- 
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Dept. of Computer Science    tmottone@kruuna.helsinki.fi
Univ. of Helsinki, Finland   tmottone@klaava.helsinki.fi
From: scoh@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: GUS publicity ....  NOT !
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:28:37 -0400
Distribution: na
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <85274@ut-emx.uucp>, captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin) writes:
> In article <markus.280.723921663@clement.info.umoncton.ca> markus@clement.info.umoncton.ca (MARC PAULIN) writes:
>>	Did you actually hear the board?  With HardBall3, Leisuire Suit 
>>Larry 5, The Prophet Of Ween, etc.  Those games sound BETTER than the 
>>|            markus@info.umoncton.ca          | "My son, ask for thyself    |
> 
> 
> Hey yeah!  I've noticed STEREO sounds coming from SBOS too.  Does this mean
> that is is emulating the SBPro now too?  The SB is only mono, right?
> 
> 
> -- 
> |The opinions expressed above are merely the result of chaotic synapse firings|
> |Electrics and electronics work on smoke. If you let the smoke       -   O    |
See THIS is what I have been trying to tell you.. The SBOS DOES support the
Sound Blaster Pro... When You setup a Game.. You dont chose the Sound Blaster
pro.. You just chose the Sound Blaster... BECAUSE ITS THE SAME THING>...
Ultrasoiund is the Ultimate,...
If you dont understand what I am saying just tell me and I will spell it oufor y
those who dont. ]
SBOS=SOUND BLASTER PRO.
From: dantonio@magick.enet.dec.com (David D'Antonio)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: Sbos!=SBPRO
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:07:54 GMT
Organization: None to speak of...
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dantonio@flashy.tay2.dec.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: magick.tay2.dec.com


In article <1992Dec13.181843.9525@ac.dal.ca>, scoh@ac.dal.ca writes:
[much deleted]
|>Actually Yes The SBOS does support Sound Blaster Pro.. that is what I am
|>trying to tell you.. If you CALL Gravis and talk to them They will tell you 
|>the scoop. In Most games the Sound Blaster and Sound Blaster Pro Sound
|>files are the same, And There fore when you chose Soundblaster, You are
|>really getting Sound Blaster Pro Sound (With a GUS)...
|>Gravis will tell you this.. You DONT chose the Sound Blaster Pro Option
|>in the Game.. But when you Choose the SOUND BLASTER option.. You get
|>the same stereo sound that the Sound Blaster pro does.. When you chose
|>Sound Blaster pro...
|> To Confirm this Call Gravis.. I did.. And this is what they said.

This is not quite correct. From what Gravis Tech Support told me, SBOS
is emulating a SoundBlaster 1.5...However, the sounds it uses are
stereo (as opposed to mono on the SB) so, yes, you get stereo output
when you use SBOS. Now, as scoh@ac.dal.ca points out, MOST games that
support the SBPro as simply feeding it SB sounds to get stereo. But
the SBPro is capable of other things (mixing, treble/bass adjust, etc)
that SBOS DOESN'T emulate so Gravis can't really say it's compatible
with the SBpro. Hence the confusion...

Thus, SBOS will emulate the SB in STEREO which is all that ALOT of
games do when you select SBPro output...

DDA

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From: biggles@biggles.nsc.com (biggles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Subject: Re: ALERT GUS vs SB-16+Wave module,
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:00:19 GMT
	<1992Dec14.111222.3911@bernina.ethz.ch>
Distribution: comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard
Organization: BigglesTech (a YoYoDyne Subsidiary GmBH)


   |> biggles@biggles.nsc.com (biggles) writes:
   |> 
   |> >I think everybody should hold on a second before they buy their next 
   |> >soundcard. (Un)Creative Labs has just released their next generation
   |> >SoundBlaster (SB-16 I believe -- I just saw a demo of it at CompUSA)
   |> >The new 16-bit 44KHz sampling board lists at $349 and the *Add-On*
   |> >Em-u chip WaveBoard is $249. Thats $598 to get te same sounds as a GUS.
   |> >It does come with some nicer software tho'

|   Hold it, hold it. While I haven't heard the GUS yet I can't really
|   compare the two soundcards. But I know about CD-Players. There`s 
|   CD-Players for about 100$, right? And there's CD-Players for more than 
|   1000$, right? And both play CD's, right? Yet do they sound the same? NO, 
|   of course not!! (given that amps, speakers, cables and the CD match up 
|   with the player).

|   What I wanna say is that you shouldn't compare the price on the 
|   respective feature list alone. I recently saw frequency charts for both 
|   the PAS and Turtle Beach Multisound. Now they both have 16 bit sampling. 
|   Only the TBM is about three times as expensive as the PAS. And they sound 
|   the same because they both record in 16 bit? Hah! You'd be surprised.

|   I will wait and then listen to both cards in a quiet moment and then 
|   decide
|   it the SB-16 is worth the money.

|   Stefan


Ahh, you might say that, but, the SB16 without the Wave board is just another
SoundBlaster in a different box and is more comparable to the PAS 16.

I did listen to it and, while I liked the idea of the wave board, I didn't 
think the  SB-16 was much of an improvement and you can't have the wave 
without the SB-16 ... not much of a bargin no matter what the specs.

The rep did mention that "I'm trying to get my boss to allow you to trade
in your old sound board, pay for the SB-16 and get the wave card free",
but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

The Turtle beach board has a 56000 on it, which will always up the cost.

The intent of my message was that the buyer should beware, becuase, 
everybody is "blowing out" the SBPro and other OLP based boards because
the WaveForm Synth boards are coming in from everybody in the near future,
and the SB-16 is still an FM board.
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