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From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: Welcome - final
Summary: Uff!
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 11:40:42 GMT


Bruce Dumes:
>Geez, are you having a bad day or what?

Robert Granville:
>I'm sure others have (or will) jump all over you for the above post,
>so I'll refrain.                   (...) rec.music.beatles tends to
>be the MOST tolerant news group I subscribe to

Jim Bohy:
>If you plan to keep putting your foot in your mouth as you have above, join in
>anyway.

David Prokopy:
>Geez!  Calm down!

Dave Hinz:
>Lighten up.

And finally, Saki:
>Summary: Apply :-) only if strictly necessary
> (...)
>You are not, I hope, suggesting that r.m.b. ought to be one of those
>Usenet "anti-groups"...where the more you participate, the less you know?
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Dear r.m.b.ers!

Thanks for your warm mails and postings.  No, I'm not having a
bad day and I hope I'll never have one reading this newsgroup.
I'm not sure how your "jumping on me" fits to the "tolerancy
of this group". Does it?  I don't plan to keep putting my foot
in my mouth.  I'm calming down.  I'm lightenning up.

Saki, I admire your knowledge and I'm sure you've read even
a billion of books. But you see, not all of us are perfect.
What I've seen principally in your 'Welcome' posting, was that,
despite the subject, you really wanted to express your far
superiority to many others (me included); that you're tired
of people knowing less than you; that you want to state
that topics below your own level shouldn't be discussed
here. In fact, your subject should be rather 'Not welcome'.

You see, I'm just a simple high energy physicist (out of lots
every corner). I have no education in the field of music.
Frankly, I don't understand many of your advanced topics, like
"Is there D7 or E7 in *Strawberry Fields*", or "Does Paul's
voice crack badly in the second 'love in vain'".
But I do love The Beatles, and you're harming to me when you
say: "Hey you, educate yourself before you post here!".
I think the enormous strength of the Fab Four music is that you
don't really nned to be an expert to enjoy it.

I'm happy whenever I can add my two cents to your discussions,
so don't take this happiness away from me!  If you are tired
of silly questions, I guess you should know how to make use
of the 'n' key.  I'm sure somebody else will happily answer
the silliest question even for the 100th time.  Do you want
to make a hermetically closed, elitary group of 6 people
out of r.m.b.?  If not, don't object about silly questions!

By the way, thanks for your info files. Note, I did not
object against *them* !!!!

Yours,
  Michal~ Szleper

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From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: McCartney at large
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 22:21:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.191550.1988@wam.umd.edu> jblum@next00clab.wam.umd.edu (Jon "...huh?..." Blum) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.180839.1320@menudo.uh.edu> edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu  
>(edward s. chen) writes:
>> Macca's new album has been completed and mixed, and is in the hands of  
>> execs at EMI.  Current plans are for a release late this year  
>(Christmastime
>> is most likely), with a tour to follow in 1993.
>
>I've heard that Macca's also negotiating for a second "Unplugged"
>appearance to plug (:-) the new album.  Anyone know if he's going to
>release the second Unplugged on record too?

The Los Angeles Times reports that Macca is making definite plans to
attend the West Coast premiere of his Liverpool Oratorio on 24 October
of this year, at the Orange County Performing Arts Center.	
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Abbey Road Cover - What does it mean?
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 05:59:34 GMT

James Willer (jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu) wrote:
: 
: BTW, did you know that the VW plates were actually incorrect? Paul would have
: been 27 (if I remember correctly), but avid Paul-is-dead-mongers apparently
: overlooked a fact here and there. I-)
: 
: 					James Willer

I heard that that Beetle sold at Southeby's a few years back for some ungodly
sum of money.  How do they know it was the right one?

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
hinzd@picard.med.ge.com
From: CS19240760T@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (VURGUN, SINAN)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: The Simpsons
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:28:21 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
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	Yesterday while watching a rerun of The Simpsons I saw
	a cartoon version of Ringo. Could somebody please tell me 
	whether or not it was Ringo's voice talking or was it 
	someone else
			Thanx in advance
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Harrison original or cover?
Date: 30 Aug 92 23:29:23 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <Btt652.5u7@news.udel.edu> timster@brahms.udel.edu (Timothy P Brennan) writes:

>I made a bet with my friend the other day for a cheeseburger on whether
>or not the song "Got My Mind Set on You" which Harrison did a few years
>back was a cover or written by Harrison.  If anybody knows please email
>(I'm hungry).  Also, if it was a cover, who did the original?


Yes, the song is a cover.  It was a relatively obsure pop tune by some
group in the 60's, if I remember correctly.

(I'm afraid I don't have time to dredge up more detail, but I'm sure
someone else is already working on it.)

					James Willer
{The opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all.}
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: n5ppm264 (Charlie Board)
Subject: Elmore James & George
Organization: bnr
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:37:02 GMT

This weekend i bougt the new 2-CD Elmore James package "King Of The Slide
Guitar" (a fantastic collection btw). Anyway, on the way home I a beatle song
snippet popped into my head. It's a spoken aside right after a guitar solo,
in which George(?) says something like "Elmore James got nothing on this
fellow".  can anyone tell me which song this was? It's been bugging me for 2
days now. Thanks.

Also, I recently posted asking for track listings and/or comments on the
"Unsurpassed Masters" series of boots. I'm sure you all thought that there
was no need to respond since someone else would :). well, no one else did-
so feel free to email any info to the address below. All help will be
appreciated!

Thanks,
Charles Board
email: cnc405@bnr.ca
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 1992 17:12:26 -0400 
From: Arthur Edgar Bucholtz <ab3f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: backwards music request
Distribution: na

off dee top of my head:
RAIN (backwards vocals at end)
I'M ONLY SLEEPING : backwards lead gtr overdubs
STRAWBERRY F. F. : backwards drums/cymbals/flutes
THE VOID (I always forget the real name of the last song on REVOLVER) : 
    backwards tape freakout middle section (supposedly arranged by P.M.)
(of course) REVOLUTION #9 : backwards tape galore 
(also probably) IT'S ONLY A NORTHERN SONG (haven't listened to for awhile)
(never released) WHAT'S THE NEW MARY JANE : backwards yokoscreaming/etc.
BEING FOR THE BENEFIT OF MR. KITE : backwards cutup circus musics
...
probably tons more i'm forgetting/don't know/haven't detected/read about
I'll scan through my vinyl and plastic this evening.
---Ed Bucholtz 92.09.02
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mcodogno@nyx.cs.du.edu (Maurizio Codogno)
Subject: Re: "All This and World War II"?
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 07:10:29 GMT


just for curiosity, is the "Richard Cocciante" who sung _Michelle_ the
Italian singer Riccardo Cocciante? (he was actually born in Vietnam,
so he should  have no problem to sing in English/French).
 
ciao! .mau.
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: gdridle@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Guy D. Ridley)
Subject: Re: Asides in Fab songs (was Elmore James & George)
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:26:17 GMT

In article <wecsFi_00awVM9fFYa@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Jason M. Roth" <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> OK, several months ago, it was pointed out that in Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da,
> after Paul sings, "Desmond lets the children lend a hand," the others
> called out Arm! Leg! The second time that (slightly adjusted) line is
> sung, I think I here something else in the background; any ideas?
 
"Foot" -- I think it's George.

> By the way, the end of Hey, Bulldog is my favorite bit, esp. when it's
 
But what's the phrase about grandchildren, that John says after Paul's been
barking awhile... I've never been able to decipher it.
 
Guy Ridley

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: Elmore James & George
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:38:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.151445.4345@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> 
David.T.Greenfield@dartmouth.edu (David T. Greenfield) writes:
>In article <92244.164749BFANTLE@auvm.american.edu>
>Didn't George play slide way back on Drive My Car?  I don't have
>Lewison's book here with me to consult.

I believe that was Paul.

--
Jay C. Smith
Domain/internet: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu  uucp: ...!mcnc!ncsuvx!eos!jcsmith
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mccombj@alleg.edu (Joseph McCombs)
Subject: Inane question re: _Yellow Submarine_
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:57:45 GMT

It's me again...

It's been years since last I saw the movie "Yellow Submarine," so I need  
help remembering something.  There's one character -- the one with all the  
knowledge -- who says something like "...quid pro quo / So little time, so  
much to know..."

1) What was this actual quote in its entirety?

2) What in the world was the characters' name?

(I'd love to use that quote for a .sig sometime; that's why I ask.)

Again, thanks in advance.

-- Joe McCombs (mccombj@alleg.edu)

"Indiana wants me / Lord, I can't go back there..."
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Subject: Re: you say it's your birthday.
Summary: Julian's birthday 
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 18:41:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug23.120336.8744@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!) writes:
>a book i have, entitled _on_this_day_in_rock_n_roll_, aka _the_pages_
>_of_rock_history_, which i received free with maxell tapes and not
>quite worth the price, lists julian lennon as having two birthdates-
>5 april 1963 and 8 april 1963.
>
>i would guess that one or both is wrong.  my interest is compounded by
>the fact that one of these dates is also *my* birthday, and i can think
>of worse people to celebrate with.

Hope it's the right day for you---April 8, 1963. Julian has, like
most of us, only one birthday.

You'll note that next year Julian will be (gasp) thirty. This makes
some of us feel very elderly indeed....

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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: tim@vestek.com (Tim McGinnis)
Subject: Re: backwards music request//*dream deceiver*
Organization: Vestek Systems
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 22:43:04 GMT

In article <180inmINNn6u@agate.berkeley.edu> wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:
>Could somone please email me any information they may have on which
>Beatles recordings have backwards sounds on them, and any other
>music groups you know of with "hiddeN" backwards messages in their
>songs.  Thank you very much.
>


Well, this ain't the beatles at all, but since seeing the dream deceiver
documetary, i now know that there's a backwards section in a judas priest's
song ...that goes... 'i asked for a peppermint', i asked her to get me 
one'.

btw, i highly recommend 'The Dream Deceivers' to anyone with an
interest in music (that means you).


tim
tim@vestek.com

Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: schauerte@curly.gmr.com (Frank Schauerte)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Beatlefest `92 (again)
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:27:42 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs, Warren, MI

Sorry, I had a hardware problem last post--here goes=>

I arranged to go to Beatlefest (Hyatt Regency O'Hare, Chicago,
Aug 22 & 23, 1992) as soon as I heard of its existence, based
upon information I've learned from this group in my almost 
year-long reading of it. I went for music, and my thanks to
the really excellent information available to us who follow
rmb. I must express my gratitude to the wonderful monthly
postings brought to us by saki (who also contributes such
consistently beautiful prose), especially the one
authored by Doug Sulpy. I also relied on the critical 
analyses of Richard Shapiro, Alan Pollack, and Frederic
Einstein to make some really good CD selections at Beatlefest.
Thanks to the above, I knew what I wanted, and I still
haven't listened to all of it. Like a fine wine, I am
taking my time to savor them. Thank you.

I went to Beatlefest with my girlfriend Tracey and her 
daughter. I have had some small influence in getting Michelle
to appreciate the Beatles (though she still likes Metallica).
In fact, I have taken a lot of pleasure in seeing another
generation really get excited about the Beatles (I saw the
original Ed Sullivan appearance on tv as a ten-year old).
In order for Michelle to complete her eigth-grade choral
class last June, she had to sing a song of her choosing
solo. She sang `Let It Be', and got all the points possible.
Her classmates didn't recognize it (ouch!), but really
liked the song. Now back to Beatlefest `92==>

Lots of posters, t-shirts, books, some autographs (I think),
some "butcher covers", vinyls (33s and 45s), objets d'art,
and such. I saw a lot of good concert footage (including the
"This Boy" performance in Washington DC with J, P, and G 
huddled around a single microphone so they could hear
each other and harmonize), videos and films. 
Videos for sale were too expensive ($82.50
for `The Beatles First US Visit', and $62.50 for that 20
minute READY STEADY GO clip called `The Beatles LIVE'),
and I really didn't see anything new. Does anyone know
where I can get that Washington concert, or the `Beatles
at Shea Stadium'?? Seems there must be some good concert
videos out there somewhere.

We all enjoyed the 6 live Beatle imitator bands a lot, which
was something I didn't expect to care about. Three bands 
performed a night, and the audience chose the best band 
each night, leading to a grand finale between the two 
winners, champion judged by the audience. The winner was the
Beetle Brothers, (who got the opportunity to perform at
a Chicago club in the near future). Concerts were great fun.

Frank


-- 
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Frank Schauerte--E and Electronics E Dept
General Motors Research Labs;    email=>schauerte@gmr.com
From: mike-b@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Michael Bishop)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 05:59:37 GMT
Subject: Apple? Badfinger? Straight Up?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles

Anyone know when Badfinger's album "Straight Up" is due out on CD?
I always thought it was their best.

Michael Bishop
Hewlett-Packard Company
Internet: mike-b@fc.hp.com
From: gronowski@rock.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Unsurpassed Masters (was Re: Elmore James & George)
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:18:15 GMT
Reply-To: gronowski@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



Yellow Dog Acetates contains the following songs (all taken from acetate).

Bad to Me
One and One is Two
Twelve-Bar Original (complete)
A Day in the Life
Magical Mystery Tour
The Fool on the Hill
Blue Jay Way
Your Mother Should Know
I am the Walrus
Christmas Time (Is Here Again)
Goodbye
Something
I Me Mine
 


--
Paul "iceMAN" Gronowski		"...the dream is always the same..."

Digital Equipment Corporation (Hudson, MA)
Yellow Dog Acetates contains the following songs (all taken from acetate).
From: rlich@atr-19.scg.hac.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Effects (was Re: Fixing a Hole guitar break)
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:10:27 GMT
Reply-To: rlich@atr-19.UUCP ()

In article <1992Aug27.134539.13317@news.media.mit.edu> ben@media.mit.edu (Benjamin Kline Lowengard) writes:
>
>They had compressors, equalizers, tape delay(doubling, flanging) distortion
>and other effects as well as plate and spring reverb and tremelo. Achieving
>cool guitar effects and vocal doubling was the cornerstone of Beatles music
>for Sgt. Pepper. I think in Lewisohn's Bible it is said that once John heard
>his voice doubled (and chorused a bit) that he prefered it that way ever
>since(hence his "trademark voice"). Pink Floyd, Zappa, and the Beatles (well,
>
>-benj
At risk of making this more a rec.music.makers discussion,
does anyone know, using modern day equipment, how to achieve the classic
Beatles electronically double tracked vocals such as on Paperback Writer
(Paul lead)?  PW was done in 2 takes (1st a false start), for all
intents and purposes, LIVE, with little overdub, so how would it be done today?



Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: davison@calspan.com (Vicky Davison)
Subject: Paul's Buddy Holly Event
Organization: Calspan Advanced Technology Center
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:29:43 GMT





   I'll be in London the first week of September, and I was 

   wondering if anyone has heard anything about Paul's annual Buddy Holly 

   event (where, when, etc.). I'd love to catch a glimpse of him coming

   or going.  Any info appreciated. Thanks.


                                               Vicky Davison
From: rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Innovation (was: The Beatles Live)
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:59:46 GMT
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com
In-reply-to: randall@informix.com's message of 28 Aug 92 22:18:07 GMT

In article <randall.715040287@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
   creativity or musical skill.  Now, 1962 was before some of the
   great rock/blues innovators like Clapton, Beck, and Page came on the
   scene



Innovators? Jeff Beck, certainly: he was *the* major rock guitar
innovator before Hendrix. But Eric Clapton?? He was one of the better
British copiers of the Chicago blues style, but he has never been any
kind of innovator in any sense of the word. Pretty much likewise for
Jimmy Page (the bowed guitar thing was "borrowed" from LaMonte Young).
In fact, George Harrison, whom you rightly deride for his playing at
this period, turned out to be more innovative than either Clapton or
Page. And, all in all, a more tasteful and interesting guitarist -
precisely because he left the blues formulas, which he never did very
well, behind.

Aside from Jeff Beck and later (post-1964) work by George Harrison,
some other innovative rock guitarists of the 60s might include Robert
Fripp, Jorma Kaukonnen (sp?), Jim McGuinn, Hendrix, maybe Lou Reed.
But certainly not formula blues players like Eric Clapton or
blues-rock session hacks like Jimmy Page. Whatever else they were/are,
they were never innovators.
From: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Asides in Fab songs (was Elmore James & George)
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:27:10 GMT
Reply-To: brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Sep1.102714.10483@waikato.ac.nz> deryl@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>On the subject of little comments in Fab songs... I always chuckle at
>the bits in For You Blue, especially the 'go, Johnny, go!', as I never
>really thought of Johnny as a 'go' kind of guitarist!

It'll burst your bubble, but the talk was all edited in by Phil Spector.
See Lewisohn and evidence on miscellaneous boots.

--Joe Brennan
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells)
Subject: Re: Rev9 woman's voice
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 17:18:06 GMT

jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:

<>Most obvious to me is the crowd noise at a football game - "hold that
<>line! hold that line! hold that line!..."

<I always thought it was "block that kick! block that kick!", but I could
<be wrong on this one.

No, you're right. I realized right after I had posted the article that I
was hearing it wrong. But listening to it again, it sounds like there
are two chants going on at the same time, so maybe we're both right!

--
                                        John Howells
                                        howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov 
                                        howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov