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From: eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: Poppies & Opium
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:57:11 GMT

Xanadu@kublai.com writes:

>In keeping with the present tone of a.d flaming and to preempt the inevitable,
>allow me the pleasure of flaming my earlier post myself : 

>>	using them for an illegal purpose. Since then, I have come
>>	across a field of poppies, and was wondering if the original
>>	poster, or anyone else, can tell me if all poppies are "useful"
>>	to some degree, or if it's species dependant.
>                                   ^^^^^^^
>	Listen, asswipe, all poppies are the same species. Jeez, you
>	scum spewing, motherfucking, asslicking toe rag, what the fuck
>	do you think that you're doing posting to this group? 

Maybe I am missing the joke, but all poppies are NOT the same species. 
_Papaver somniferum_ is the species of interest.  The California golden 
poppies, for example, is in the genus _Papaver_ (sp. _californica_ or 
something like that) and is quite devoid of narcotic alkaloids.  


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene)
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch (Joan Vollmer)
Organization: Hell Hole, Inc.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:31:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.214538.17052@midway.uchicago.edu> bagg@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <Bt74qI.DA@well.sf.ca.us> wab@well.sf.ca.us (Doc Benzene) writes:
>
>>Um, as usual when the subject of WSB comes up a lot of
>>misinformation gets passed around...
>> [Specific corrections deleted.]
>
>>It looks like the movie of "Naked Lunch" is rewriting history
>>just as I expected it would. 
>
>Of course, this is fair game since WSB constantly fictionalizes
>himself, or rather constantly has characters who superficially
>resemble him and his consciously-constructed "bad ass" persona.
>The movie is consistent with WSB's writing practices, as his
>approval of the script might suggest.

Ugh, no, the movie is not consistent with his literary style.
His motives for approving the script we can't really know.  I
think he realized that the actual content and style of his
book was impossible to film (hard to stage homicidal
necrophilic cannibalism) and noted that Cronenberg's made a
gifted attempt to capture the surrealistic milieu and finally
figured "what the fuck..."
From: dsimon@informix.com (Don Simon)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Photosynthesis Philosophy.
Keywords: halogen light growing
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:44:06 GMT
Reply-To: dsimon@informix.com
Organization: Informix Software

Hey,

Halogens tend to produce a fuller spectrum of light than either flourecent or incandecent, as I understand it.  Some people though, are claiming that it causes  cancer, I personally find that hard to believe.



Don Simon
IF it works, who cares?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon)
Subject: Re: News item/LSD dosing
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 06:59:00 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Aug15.040435.22950@mercury.cair.du.edu> tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.121842.24168@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug13.161510.2895@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>>>Well, as a matter of fact, I have been toying with the idea of giving
>>>a close friend a trip, and then telling him/her to use it on me
>>>some time in the next 6 months without me knowing about it, just to
>>>see what it would be liked to be tripped without warning.
>
>excuse me, but i think this is an extraordinarily stoopid idea.
>
>
>>People who genuinely don't expect it may think they're going crazy.
>
>people who are expecting it regularly go crazy.

Utter bullshit.

-- 
Thor Lancelot Simon	 tls@panix.COM
  "Oh, you have wounded me!  I have very few prejudices, actually.  The
biggest problem is that I am intolerant of fools.  That is why I have
such a low tolerance level for Libertarians."  -- Jim McMaster
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: News item/LSD dosing
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 04:04:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.121842.24168@linus.mitre.org> lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.161510.2895@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, u8951608@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>>Well, as a matter of fact, I have been toying with the idea of giving
>>a close friend a trip, and then telling him/her to use it on me
>>some time in the next 6 months without me knowing about it, just to
>>see what it would be liked to be tripped without warning.

excuse me, but i think this is an extraordinarily stoopid idea.


>People who genuinely don't expect it may think they're going crazy.

people who are expecting it regularly go crazy.

>Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
>I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

i like that.



Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Stung
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:29:58 GMT

In article <xxx> nobody@nowhere writes:
>.... is what I dont want to be. Has anyone done business with X.X.X. in the
>ads in the back of High Times? He's the East Pike, Seattle address that 
>has mushroom supplies. How long has he been advertising? I know since
>April of this year, I dont have any issues farther back.
>
>The only reason I'm asking is that I corresponded with him, and his reply
>could have been considered incriminating perhaps -- how did he know I'm not
>a cop? I guess I'm maybe being paranoid...

High Times is a fairly trustworthy magazine.  If people complain about being
ripped off, they will probably drop the advertiser.  So buy the mag again in
three months and see if the ad is still there.

Use a little common sense.  XXX may or may not be a DEA front.  Even if they
aren't, they may not take good care of their purchase records.  So don't
count on the name and address you give them being safe from the government.

As for "incriminating", if he admitted to growing psilocybin mushrooms, that
may be legal (for his purposes).  I believe some mushroom researchers
(fungologists?) are allowed to.  They probably have to sign something that
says they will not eat or distribute the shrooms.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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From: alex@gdalsrv.sas.upenn.edu (Alex Dunne)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
Subject: LSD and Alcoholics Anonymous
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:09:22 GMT
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Social Science Computing, University of Pennsylvania

In article <VTucPB1w164w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> scotc.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>> In article <63831@cup.portal.com> lordSnooty@cup.portal.com (Andrew - Palfrey
>>    >: I read somewhere that one of the founders of 
>>    >: Alcoholics Anonymous, Dr. Bob Smith, (or was
>>    >: it his partner, Bill Wilson) experimented with
>>    >: LSD for a time back in the 50s (I think).  The
>>    >: hope was to find some kind of alternative cure
>>    >: for alcoholism.
>During the LSD explosion in hollywood in the 60s it was claimed to
>be a cure for alcholism.
>
>SAC

Coincidentally, I'm reading a book right now called "Getting
Better - Inside Alcoholics Anonymous" by Nan Robertson, a member and
journalist. According to her, Wilson did experiment with LSD, much to
the embarassment of AA. In recent years, some olders members of AA, 
which is founded on the precepts of tolerance and understanding, have 
become resentful of newer members who have dependency problems with
other drugs besides alcohol. 
Personally, I have found that, for a few months after a trip, alcohol seems
dull and boring by comparison. The thought of getting drunk becomes
associated with slowing myself down, poisoning my body, and consuming
unneccessary calories, none of which I want to do. Trips seem clean with
no real down time the next day. But as I said, this only lasts for 2 or
3 months. 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.bizarre
From: ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II)
Subject: Re: LSD: the early days
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 05:51:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon) writes:
>scotc.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>>
>>>> lordSnooty@cup.portal.com (Andrew - Palfrey)
>>>    >: I read somewhere that one of the founders of 
>>>    >: Alcoholics Anonymous, Dr. Bob Smith, (or was
>>>    >: it his partner, Bill Wilson) experimented with
>>>    >: LSD for a time back in the 50s (I think).  The
>>>    >: hope was to find some kind of alternative cure
>>>    >: for alcoholism.
>>During the LSD explosion in hollywood in the 60s it was claimed to
>>be a cure for alcholism.
>
>I believe there's a goodly body of research which supports this thesis -- WHEN
>THE DRUG IS ADMINISTERED RESPONSIBLY, BY PROFESSIONALS, IN CONTROLLED SETTINGS.
>This is not to say that I am against recreational use of LSD -- in many
>circumstances, I'm all for it.  However, I don't think anyone's come forth with
>a study suggesting that unsupervised use of LSD is a paneca for alcoholism.
>This means exactly what is written -- no evidence for, none against.  LSD
>treatment programs, on the other hand, do seem to work.
>

	O.K., anecdotal evidence time.

	A friend of mine tried LSD for the first time about three years ago.
Prior to that he was a very heavy recreational drinker (though not, to my
knowledge, an alcoholic - and I have known a few of those).  He had no
knowledge of the use of LSD in alcoholism therapy (this is the first I've
ever heard of this, and as he has no net access, I will be telling him 
about this when I see him).  Nevertheless, after trying LSD a few times, he
dropped to three or four beers at parties.  When I asked him about it, he
said that "it just didn't feel worth it" any more.  BTW, this didn't mean
that he was taking LSD at parties instead!  He is an occasional user at
best (a few times a year).  Coincidence?  Who knows?

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From: dfl@aeolus.think.com (David Lively)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Dosing and vodka
Date: 17 Aug 92 14:08:18
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aeolus.think.com
In-reply-to: iain@ttel.ling's message of Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:42:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.144237.8863@pellns.alleg.edu> iain@ttel.ling writes:

   Is it dangerous to mix LSD with alcohol? I ask this because when mixing  

Yes, it's dangerous - nothing worse than a hangover you can't sleep off :-)

   someone's drink, I decided to dose her (she was talking about the mother  
   trip she was goning to take after the party and I wanted to help her  
   along). However I didn't know if it's safe to mix LSD and vodka. In case  
   the chance shows itself again, is it? Please post because the address is  
   an alias.

Not this again.  Please, please listen:

** Never dose people without their permission! **

She may have had a damn good reason for dosing *after* the party.  LSD can
easily be dangerous in the wrong circumstances, and you don't know what's
going on inside other people's heads.  People who do this (along with all
the others who handle drugs irresponsibly) are one of the main reasons
we'll never see full relegalization happen.

		David

P.S. I don't see anything (morally) wrong with the "dose-me-later" pact
described by a previous poster.  Consent is the key.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: enigma@netcom.com (Enigma)
Subject: Re: AA (Was Re: Definition of an addict.)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 21:12:15 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug11.184354.1122@bradley.bradley.edu> pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
>
>AA is certainly an immediate way to deal with the immediate problems of
>alcoholism.  Most of my negative comments about AA as a program focus
>on its use as a *long term* solution, where the addict never goes on
>to try deeper levels of cure that make use of their own will power.

Are you familiar with the 12-steps?  I ask, because it's very common
for people not in the program (and even quite a few who are!) to
focus exclusively on the first three steps and ignore steps 4 through
12.  These steps are a long term solution, which many people have
found to provide the deeper level of cure that you refer to. 
-- 
Holly McGrath   <enigma@netcom.com> 
1803 Mission Street, #339          
Santa Cruz, CA 95060              
(408) 479-4072  (voice mail)     
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: Manufacture of LSD
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: WEEKLY ANSWER TO alt.drug's FAVORITE QUESTION!!!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 20:11:42 GMT

In article <eesnyder.713548044@beagle> eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eri
 E. Snyder) writes:
>joelong@romeo.caltech.edu (Long, Joseph Louis) writes:
>
>>>Just post the answer in chemistry nomenclature. If people can't make
>>>it, where's the harm in providing a complete answer?
>
>>No!  If you want good information on that subject goto 
>>sci.chemistry.organic.wizards (sarcasm.)  You don't get onto
>>comp.sys.ms-dos and say "look I know that you guys say that it's
>>very hard to design an 80586 @ 200MHz but just tell me how to do it!"
>>That's not the group for such descusion and 99.5% of its readers dont
>>know and dont care anyway!
>
>You know, there was a time not more than a few years ago when alt.drugs 
>was actually an interesting and informative news group.  People actually

>had interesting discussions regarding synthetic methods and pharmacology

>Lately this group has focused on matters more appropriate for .politics

 This is a very good point. I don't understand why the .political posts
regarding drugs can't be posted in the appropriate newsgroup. To me the
crosspostings are annoying. I'm sure that the people who read the
crossposted messages also  read the newsgroups that the articles are
crossposted to. So what's the point in crossposting? I think crossposting
articles to alt.drugs and talk.politics.drugs is an waste of bandwidth...

--
>groups.  When debating whether to post something highly technical, go fo

>it!  The worst that can happen is that some people choose to skip over t
e
>article.  It is certainly no more a waste of bandwidth that most of the 
>garbage that finds its way to alt.drugs.  



















 
--
 If mail barfs, send it to the ip #: aankrom@130.253.192.68   

                       dAdaMatriX
      I've lost my memories to all my fears...
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Post-trip free association problems -- is this normal?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:13:11 GMT

In article <orange.713665326@cunews>, orange@alfred.carleton.ca (Paul Vallee) writes:
[description of simple word game]

>This was astonishingly difficult.  I had never noticed any post-trip
>mental problems whatever, but my skills at picking words out of the
>blue based only on their first two letters were horrible.  I actually
>said, while sober, 'there aren't any th words in english!'.  This was
>before I got the, then, this, that (see how easy this is now?)
>
>Any comments?  Is this normal?

For some people it probably is.  I suspect that the true duration of an LSD
trip is much longer than people think.  A user may not be feeling euphoric
(or whatever) after twelve hours, but he's definitely not back to normal for
at least a few days.  

How long do the effects of LSD last?
    "8 hours or so"
When can I do it again?
    "In a week or two"
Why not in eight hours?
    "The tolerance lasts a week"
So it seems there is at least one effect that lasts longer than the
subjective 8 hours.

>"My Canada includes Quebec."  <-- If you believe it, say it!

My Canada includes Labatt's breweries.  :^)

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
One of the effects of LSD is misconceptions about the effects of LSD.
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@quads.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Naked Lunch
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:46:44 GMT

As a side note, all the proofs of Mr. Burroughs' upcoming book walked
out of the publisher's New York office and have been appearing on the
black market (i.e. used book stores) for $50+ each.  

Yes, that has nothing to do with alt.drugs.

   --Matt

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lagnaf@camelot.bradley.edu (Jeremy Styninger)
Subject: Paper prints misleading article about "drug tattoos"
Summary: misinformed reporter falls into drug hysteria trap
Keywords: LSD, drug, Peoria Journal Star
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:18:54 GMT


Here is an example of a story that twists the facts to try and
generate a little hysteria.....

From the August 16, 1992, Peoria Journal Star.  

_Police say drug-laced tattoos may prey on children_
by Anthony Smith

	Peoria-area police departments are issuing warnings about
tattoos laced with drugs and seemingly aimed at young children.
	Although there have been no reported instances of a child
using the tattoos in Peoria - nor have any turned up in a drug raid -
Peoria Sgt. Steve Esslinger, with the vice and narcotics division,
said last week that the tattoos have been around for a long time and
are being sold.
	"They are out there.  Some of the undercover guys are buying
them,"  Esslinger said.
	The tattoos, which usually are in the form of a blue star or
popular cartoon characters, come on a small sheet of paper and are the
size of pencil erasers.  They normally are soaked with LSD, a
hallucinatory drug, that can be absorbed through the skin, police
said.
	Chuck Orton, safety director for Jolliff Transportation in
East Peoria, recently had his staff stuff paycheck envelopes with a
warning bulletin.
	"We're concerned for our employees and their families," Orton
said.  "Drug use is so widespread."
	Orton received a copy of a flier from the Peoria Heights Police
Department warning of the drug-laced tattoos and showed it to company
President Kenneth Jolliff.
	Jolliff was concerned, Orton said, and thought his 90
employees should be made aware of the dangers -- so the pay envelopes
contained the warning the week of July 31.
	Esslinger said the tattoos cost between $3 and $5 and seem to
be marketed toward children.
	"Basically anybody who wants to get high can buy them, but
dealers are making them attractive to little children.  They can buy
them from 100 to 1,000 on a sheet," he said.
	Esslinger said it is best to educate children about the
effects of the tattoo to make sure they don't get involved with them.
	Symptoms of the hallucinogenic drugs include severe vomiting,
mood changes and uncontrollable laughter.

		**End of story***
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Wow.  Lets take a closer look.

	"....seemingly aimed at young chilen."
We don't know, but just to be sure.

	"...there have been no reported instances...nor have any
turned up...the tattoos have been around for a long time..."
Kinda like an Urban Myth.

	"They normally are soaked with LSD,..."
Not to mention strychnine.

	"Chuck Orton, safety director...
The job Homer Simpson has.
	"...copy of a flyer from the Peoria Heights Police
department...
A town of about 4 or 5 thousand.

	"...seem to be marketed toward children.
Seem?   In other words you don't know?  Marketed?  Since when did drug
dealers start marketing for special groups?

	"They can buy them from 100 to 1000 ona sheet....
Hey kid!  Wanna buy 100 really small tattoos?  Got $500?

Wow.

Jeremy Styninger
Just say know.
From: bagg@quads.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: couple o' smokes
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:32:03 GMT
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <batboy.713829649@milton> batboy@milton.u.washington.edu (Thomas Radke) writes:
>Ho-

>	But I'm asking again:  Does anyone have info on the damage done by
>2 or 3 cigarettes in a 24 hour period?  Is the nicotine taken care of but
>the carcinogens are still a major risk?  I'm not sure of the right
>questions to ask, but any info would be greatly appreciated.

I doubt that there's anything published on this.  People like you are
such a small percentage of smokers and studies about carcinogenicity
typically use high doses of the carcinogen.

>	I have smoked varying amounts for the last 5 years, but in the
>last year a have kept to about 2 per day.  Ignoring my past habit, what
>kind of damage am I doing today?
>
>Thanks
>-Tom
>
From: panissec@nms.otca.oz.au (Colin Panisset)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Robo
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:02:42 GMT

lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:

}In article <278@nsq.uucp>, amex@nsq.uucp (Toronto) writes:
}>I have read a lot of "experiences" of Robotussen DM (Robo) but I have read
}>no information on how "bad" it may be for you.  I have to imagine there is
}>some reason for me NOT to try it, despite the stories of how fun it can be.
}>
}>I've allocated some time.  Should I?

}You should be prepared for one negative side effect that happened to a FOAF. 
}He puked his guts out.  After he was done puking, he said he enjoyed it; but
}he said he would never do it again.

The negative side effect I had was cramps. Stomach cramps. Really really
REALLY bad stomach cramps for about an hour, starting about an hour and a half
after taking the stuff. I had 75mL of Robitussin-DM (available over the
counter here), which works out to about 225mL DmHBr. The trip was interesting,
but I'd never do it again. It was just too painful while it happened.

This post represents no opinions or policies of OTC.

--

  -Colin Panisset *:^)                         | "CTBCPP (Clay Tablet By 
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