From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Why are FACTS Scary things for Drieux?  (was: Why are FACTS Scary thing
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Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:40:00 GMT
Keywords: Tit For Tat, Dude...

drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes...
DJD> Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
DJD> ] drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes...
DJD> ] DJD> Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
DJD> ] DJD> ] nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes in alt.abortion.inequ
DJD> .
DJD> ] DJD> ]
DJD> ] DJD> ] NA> And Steven wonders why women are pro-choice. It's simple, guy.
DJD> di
DJD> ] DJD> ] NA> tend to pay child support when abortion was illegal, they don'
DJD> t
DJD> ] DJD> nd
DJD> ] DJD> ] NA> to pay it now, and if abortion is again illegal, they STILL wo
DJD> ay
DJD> ] DJD> ]
DJD> ] DJD> ] Why do you link abortion with child support?  Why not link child s
DJD> t
DJD> ] DJD> ] *frequency of visitation*?  Indeed, increasing number of studies a
DJD> ow
DJD> ] DJD> ] that frequency of visitation and likelyhood of payment, are propor
DJD> te
DJD> ] DJD> ] related (and *highest*, in cases of joint custody)
DJD> ] DJD> ]
DJD> ]
DJD> ]
DJD> ] DJD> Now re_read what nadja is saying...
DJD> ]
DJD> ] DJD> The Legality of Abortion has NOT done much to
DJD> ] DJD> change the problems with non_custodial parents
DJD> ] DJD> paying their court ordered child support payments.
DJD> ]
DJD> ]
DJD> ] That is only your *interpretation* of it.  What *I* gathered from what sh
DJD> d,
DJD> ] was an offensive, sweeping generalisation that all men (or most...whateve
DJD> ] generally do not want to support their children, ergo "no wonder why wome
DJD> ] pro-choice" (this is also a gross assumption, since many women are *not*
DJD> ] "pro-choice").

DJD> Ding DING! planet earth....

DJD> What has the 'legalization' of abortion done to change
DJD> the real nature of the payment of child support.

NOTHING!


DJD> This is the problem you are still avoiding.

Err, excuse me, but I have answered it many times, most recently above.
Please do not attempt to tell me that I have a problem with "facts".


DJD> It is also the point that you are still having the hardest
DJD> time with. It as a Data Point does NOT help you and your
DJD> rantfest against women as the source of all things evil....
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Please provide proof that I have ever said this.  This "rantfest" of YOURS,
attempting to make the point that I am "ranting," is starting to become rather
tiring.  I suggest that you place me in your kill file to avoid any other such
unprofessional outbursts.


DJD> ] And By The Way, I have never explicitly "linked abortion with child suppo
DJD> ] However, I *have* linked abortion with paternity suits, which renders you
DJD> ] characterisation of what I said, close though somewhat misrepresentative.

DJD> Again,

DJD> back to what I SAID, and you are still
DJD> ducking and dodging on that....

Yo...I have done no such thing.  See above...


DJD> I can only hope that this merely means that you understand
DJD> that you are leaning on a broken reed....

So are you, it seems.

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