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Subject: Re: Shaun Hutson
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Date: 14 Aug 92 13:26:07 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <10713166.13.713673513@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10713166@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ROHAN TREGEAR) writes:
>In article <4634@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) writes:
>>In article <10713166.4.713342494@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10713166@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ROHAN TREGEAR) writes:
>>>        If there is someone out there who is looking for a book with a bit 
>	Hmmm... I havn't yet heard of "Skull". Is it his latest? Is it good? 
>Actually I'd love to get my hands on "Slugs" and/or "Breeding Ground" but I 
>seem to be having a lot of difficulty locating either in our bookstores. I 
>don't know why this is since they stock all the rest. Thanks.

I don't think "Skull" is Hutson's most recent book. There are a couple he
wrote that I haven't been able to find. One is "Assassin" and the other I
can't remember the title of. Do you want the publisher's address? They have
"Slugs", but as far as I know, they don't have "Breeding Ground" (either not
in stock when I got the order form or they don't carry it). 
				Laurel

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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Hellraiser III
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:46:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.162303.8727@lmt.mn.org> alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Dave Alexander) writes:
>Does anyone know the *actual* release date of Hellraiser III?

I first saw "April" in a Hellraiser comic book.  Then someone posted "August"
on the net, then "September"... so it seems not even the producers know.

>And is that what
>it will be called?

"Hell on Earth"
-- 
"...no identification of self or mission; no interference with social develop-
 ment of said planet; no references to space, to other worlds or more advanced
 civilizations."   The PRIME DIRECTIVE, by Gene Roddenberry and Gene L. Coon.
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From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: The Stand
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:35:57 GMT

In article <16t8fuINN1r9@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> intruder@cats.ucsc.edu () writes:
>
>I think your message completely proves my point about the sort of juvenile
>mental level King and other mass-market paperback type horror authors appeal
>to.  You haven't read Lovecraft, well....

There's no need to be an arrogant jerk about this.  Some of us like King, 
Lovecraft, and Poe.  Your judgement of SK fans by one post is the only
"juvenile mental level" apparent here.
-- 
   And thither came Conan, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, to tread the jeweled 
   thrones of the Earth beneath his sandaled feet.  --THE NEMEDIAN CHRONICLES 
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From: graziano@rocko.enet.dec.com (Rocko Graziano)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Stand on ABC
Date: 14 Aug 92 12:39:40 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <3050006@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, zornow@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Claudia Zornow) writes...
>> Mike, I think the new, uncut version of The Stand simply adds to the story. 
>> As far as I know in the new release there was nothing cut.  
> 
>There were some puzzling (to me) minor changes.  For example,
>a Milky Way bar in one version became a Snickers in the other
>version.
> 

Wasn't it a change from a Payday to a snickers? (or milky way - anyway, Payday
was the original candy bar).  The reason for the change follows the formfeed.

But first: King made a number of other 'topical' changes to the book.  Larry's
Datsun becomes a Nissan.  Madonna makes a musical appearance.  There are
others.  Many of them took me out of the story and annoyed me.

Spolier follows:



Harold eats these candy bars.  Harold leaves a chocolate fingerprint in
Frannie's diary.  Payday's don't have chocolate in them.  Hence the change.

Cheers,
Rocko
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From: iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick)
Subject: Re: Question: Frankenstein, the true story?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:53:10 GMT

In <Bt5yy6.1I1@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator) writes:

>In article <iroderic.714087144@cunews> iroderic@alfred.carleton.ca (Ian Roderick) writes:
>>In <1992Aug17.142337.1819@bvc.edu> frantz@bvc.edu writes:
>>
>>>In article <kuehnel.713696426@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE>, kuehnel@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Hans Kuehnel) writes:


>Ah...actually, right about the husband, wrong about the mother.  
>-- 
>Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Everything But Love tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>"Oh God, does this mean we have to fight?"
>			-Selina Kyle, _Batman_ 


Thanks for clearing that blunder up.

                                        Ian
From: wlamonac@bach.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Stand
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:37:56 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1992Aug18.185534.9627@ra.oc.com> frazier@elf.etsu.edu (Jeff Frazier) writes:
>I can't say much about Lovecraft because I have never read him, but Poe is
>one of the worst writers I have ever had to read. Every one of his works
>are really boring. Steven King is much,much,much better than Poe IMO and The
>Stand is one of the best books I have ever read. I don't understand this
>fascination with Poe because if he was really any good they wouldn't make
>you read him in school. The only author I have ever had to read in school
>that was any good is Twain.   
>
>Jeff Frazier (frazier@elf.etsu.edu)

I don't see any smileys, so I'll assume this guy is seriuos.  Obviously anyone
who would mention Poe and King in the same breath deserves to think that
King is good.  Let's face it- Poe is, IMO, one of the greatest authors that
America has ever produced and is worth any number of Stephen "Diarrhea of
Words, Constipation of Ideas" King.  Perhaps if Poe reworked the "Author's
character takes revenge on Author" bit or the "Yuppies adults confront their
childhood terrors" schtick, then maybe you would like him more.  Personally,
I don't like King because he doesn't have his characters throw in enough pop
culture references every time thay open their mouths.

(well at least you like Twain- or do you prefer Dave Barry?)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: J1300DAF@vm.univie.ac.at
Subject: Re: Question: Frankenstein, the true story?
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:49:28 GMT

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From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Witch Board....Is it true....????
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:57:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <92226.111346U11960@uicvm.uic.edu> U11960@uicvm.uic.edu (Jai K. Singh) writes:
>Does anybody know about witch board.  I've heard using this board
>you can call the spirits and this board is available in your
>If anybody knows more about it, please reply soon 'cause I'm
>planning to try it out.


If you read this newsgroup regularly, you know that I am really into all kinds
of horror. Now I have a story for you. One day about 6 years ago, my sister
and I were cleaning out my closet and we found the Ouija board (witch board in
case you didn't know the other name). We decided to try it. At the time I was
dating this guy after having (or so I thought) broken free of this other love
interest that was going no where fast. We asked it who I would marry just to
be idiots, and it started spelling out the "ex" love interest's name! After it
spelled the third letter, I broke away. I asked my sister why she would do
that to me by moving the speller on the board and reminding me of a hurtful
situation, and she swore (and still does to this day) that she DID NOT move
the speller. I know I didn't either. Ever since that incident, I won't touch a
Ouija board. It scared the shit out of me. Try it at your own risk because if
I got freaked out, it was a bad experience.

				Laurel
 
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                                                  there in the light---
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From: kjetilgr@ifi.uio.no (Kjetil Granlien)
Subject: Gerald's Game and Julie A. Miller 
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:31:16 GMT
Originator: kjetilgr@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no


 Firstly, does anyone know when I may find GERALD's GAME in the shelves over 
here in Norway?

Secondly if Julie reads this please take contact.

Thank you,

Kjetil Granlien
---
 "Overhead the albatross hangs motionless upon the air
  And deep beneath the rolling waves
  In labyrinth of coral caves
  The echoes of a distant time comes willowing across the sand.."
						PinkFloyd, Echoes
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From: frantz@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Barker's _Imagica_
Date: 12 Aug 92 10:06:21 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Aug8.051332.28514@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, af322@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kevin Adams) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, DEB110@psuvm.psu.edu (Doug "Bish" Bischoff EMT-MAST) says:
> 
>>     Well, I just recently finished reading this book, and aside from the fact
>>that his writing style takes a little getting used to (it's the first C. Barker
>>book I've ever read), I don't know what to make of it.
>>
> 
> I read it after reading his earlier stuff and was...well, I liked it but
> was a bit disappointed now that I think about it.  I'm not sure his
> writing style lends itself to books that long.  I'd love to see a
> "DECENT" (cant stress that enough) movie made from it but I don't
> see that happening.
> 
>>currents of god vs. Goddess rather nice and all, but the idea that male gods
>>love to drive their predecessing Goddess counterparts underground (literally
>>in this book...) not at all novel, but perhaps new/shocking to some.
>>
> 
> Your typical men suppressing women storyline with a very mystical 
> twist to it.
> 
> Have you read "The Great and Secret Show"?  Storywise, I think it
> was a bit more coherent than Imajica.  Its supposed to be a
> trilogy, I'm waiting for the other two.
>  
> -K-
I'm in the very middle of Imajica right now (please, please *no* spoilers) 
and am really enjoying it.  I like it for the same reasons I liked 
Weaveworld--his imagination and ability to create a place is wonderful.  
Wish he could create characters the same way King can.  I'd love to see 
them team up the way King did with Straub so long ago.  I realize 
Weaveworld isn't exactly a horror story, but I think it had a lot of 
horrific elements to it that attested to his strength in the genre.

Andrea @ BVC
>
From: acscehw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (ELIOT WINER)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Question: Frankenstein, the true story?
Summary: Try an English class
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:21:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Aug.20.19.40.23.1992.5588@remus.rutgers.edu>, clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes...
>In article <1992Aug17.142337.1819@bvc.edu>, frantz@bvc.edu writes:
> 
>> Many theorists believe 
>> that Frankenstein is Shelley's need to examine the trauma of birth and 
>> creation, but could only do it through a man's voice because it was the 
>> only voice that a larger audience would listen to during the 19th century.
> 
>This gave me a good laugh.  Did it ever occur to them that maybe she
>just felt like writing a nifty book?



     Trying to explain a complex and detailed work such as Frankenstein
with one theme is ludicrous.  The work has so many underlying meanings
that one simple message is unthinkable.  

     Trying to write a "NIFTY" book.  I really don't want to flame 
anyone, but this comment begs for it.  Have you ever tried to write
a story, of any length?  If a writer tries to do it with a single message
by one means that would result in a poorly written work.  Every character
that is introduced with some intent for meaning, will result in many
other symbols and meanings.  

     You had better get yourself into an English class, because trivializing
great works like this is a serious problem.  The mind is a terrible thing
to waste.


....Eliot
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From: ketter@mdd.comm.mot.com (Cindy Ketterling)
Subject: Re: What is "Horror"
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:17:31 GMT

>>definition in horror (i.e. slasher movies, bad splatterpunk (not all  
>>splatterpunk is bad, though), overwritten rape scenes, overdone sexual  
>>devientcy ala Clive Barker). 

"overdone sexual devientcy"?  Ummmmm ... I'm afraid I'm really going to
have to disagree with you on that point.  One of the main reasons I
LIKE Barker is because at no point does his work deteriorate into the
same "oh, I'd better throw in a sex scene here or this story won't sell"
trap that so many horror authors fall into.  Yes, he does use sexual
elements in his work, and no, they're not always what you, Jerry Falwell,
or actually even most people would consider normal, but it ALWAYS has a
place in the story.  There is a reason for it being there, and that
reason is NOT "because it sells books".  It's there because it's part
of the plot, or essential to character development, or just because its
something that people in that situation would do.  If you can't deal
with sex in a book, you should probobly be reading children's books or
1950's science fiction, NOT modern horror.  

My motto:  "If it bugs ya, don't reads it." 

- the Cypherkat

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From: uk02700@mik.uky.edu (mitchell e french)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: The Stand on ABC
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:58:12 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In <1542@sousa.ltn.dec.com> graziano@rocko.enet.dec.com (Rocko Graziano) writes:


>In article <3050006@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>, zornow@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Claudia Zornow) writes...
>>> Mike, I think the new, uncut version of The Stand simply adds to the story. 
>>> As far as I know in the new release there was nothing cut.  
>> 
>>There were some puzzling (to me) minor changes.  For example,
>>a Milky Way bar in one version became a Snickers in the other
>>version.
>> 

>Wasn't it a change from a Payday to a snickers? (or milky way - anyway, Payday
>was the original candy bar).  The reason for the change follows the formfeed.

     It's still a Payday.  A chocolate one.  (Yup, seen 'em, eaten 'em, they do exist.)
     As for the changes -- Madonna being mentioned, etc -- it's because
of the change in timeframe.  The first version of the Stand was set in
the 70s or early 80s (I think), while the uncut version was moved up to
1990.  Wouldn't make sense to be talking about disco in the 90s, would it?

:)
Mushroom
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: J1300DAF@vm.univie.ac.at
Subject: Re: A few more authors *FLAMES???????*
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:24:38 GMT

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Subject: Re: A few more authors *FLAMES???????*
From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:47:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug17.190809.10682@wimsey.bc.ca> markh@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Hen
>In article <4836@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan) w
>>Maybe he did not say that King and Koontz should not be discussed, but if
>He didn't say all (or even most) people who discuss King and Koontz
>are 'obsessed' with a select few authors. I know you say that you
>took the reference to be a reference to yourself, but I don't really
>see why.
>'Obsessed with a select few authors' is a fair description of some
>people who post to this newsgroup.
>Laurel, you are not one of these people.  The mere fact that you have
>posted articles which show your interest in other authors (e.g. Ellison,
>Harris), demonstrates that you aren't obsessed with King and Koontz.
>Again, on more positive note. I recently read Lisa Tuttle's _Lost Futures_
>and enjoyed it immensely (I've always enjoyed her short fiction, so
>I wasn't really surprised).

As soon as I wrote that message in response to yours, I read one from Oliver
(who wrote the original message about being obsessed) and I apologized to him
although he saw my point beyond the defensiveness I showed. I don't always
remember if there are certain people who only talk about one subject, but I
suppose you are right. I just thought I was being referred to there because of
my interest in King (a large percentage of my messages are about his works).
No hard feelings okay? I have never read anything by Tuttle...is she more
science fiction/fantasy?
				Laurel


Uhhh, sorry, but I didn't start any discussion on being obsessed. I think
it was Owen. (I'm much too shy to call somebody obsessed|) Just for the
records ...

    - Oliver

"I never drink ... wine." (The Count)


__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line
						        for "Cape Fear"
						
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________



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From: ketter@mdd.comm.mot.com (Cindy Ketterling)
Subject: Re: Sex and Horror
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 22:20:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.124808.1830@bvc.edu> frantz@bvc.edu writes:
>
>I hadn't thought about good sex really being just a heartbeat away from 
>violence, but I suppose you're right on that mark, too.  I haven't read 
>Hellraiser yet, unfortunately, so your referece to that work was lost on me

Well, there is no actual book called "Hellraiser", but the movie was based
on a novella called "The Hellbound Heart".  It has recently been released
in paperback form, and I have to say I like it. 

>.  However, I get a hint of what you're talking about from several of his 
>other works.  There's a great short story (I think it's in the Inhuman 
>Condition, but I can't be sure of that) about a man who serves as a "lab 
>rat" of sorts for an experiemental new aphrodisiac.  I'm sorry I can't 
>remember the name of the story, but it exemplifies precisely what you're 
>talking about here.

"The Age Of Desire".  And it IS in _The Inhuman Condition_.  Another
excellent story.  Weird, yes.  But excellent. 

>Andrea @ BVC

- the Cypherkat

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From: laurelp+@pitt.edu (Laurel A Povazan)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Shaun Hutson
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:36:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <sprooney.713574984@unix1.tcd.ie> sprooney@unix1.tcd.ie (Simon Rooney) writes:
>
>I don't know if it was a once off, but I read 'Nemesis' by him, and
>it was CRAP! OK, so it had guts (hehe), but the story was awful.
>Since then, I haven't erad anything else by him (I won the book in a
>competition), and I doubt I will without decent proof that he's
>better.

I haven't read that one. I say give him another try by reading something else
by him. You can always stop if you hate it.
				Laurel

__________________"I am Count Dracula. I bid you welcome."__________________

Laurel A. Povazan                                "There is nothing there
laurelp@vms.cis.pitt.edu                          in the dark that isn't
                                                  there in the light---
(Also known as Laurel,                            except fear."  
 the avid horror fan!)                                 -Advertising line  
						        for "Cape Fear"
						 
_______________________-Count Dracula in "Dracula"__________________________
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: J1300DAF@vm.univie.ac.at
Subject: Re: A few more authors *FLAMES???????*
Organization: University of Vienna
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:30:12 GMT

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