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From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,alt.conspiracy,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Candidates and their women
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:48:16 GMT
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In article <1992Aug14.114954.16393@dg-rtp.dg.com>, grossg@patriot.rtp.dg.com (Gross writes...
>In article <STEINMAN.92Aug4084513@hawk.is.morgan.com> steinman@is.morgan.com (Jan Steinman) writes:
>>I just heard a report this morning that Bush soundly rebuked his
>>campaign manager for writing a press release that made references to
>>Clinton's "bimbos". Also, my spouse just returned from UK, where she
>>said the press is full of stories about Bush's womanizing in the past.
>>
>Actually, there is no accounting for the British tabloid press.  Those
>people thrive on innuendo and rumor.
> 
I was wondering, just what does this have to do with whether a canidate
would make a good president or not? This isn't sarcastic, or a jab. Just
an honest question. Personally, I would rather a president get his "rocks
off" over a woman than over the power of his position (no pun intended).

Garrett@Ingres.com

Disclaimer: My views are my own and nobody elses (and maybe not even mine)
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From: diaz@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Rafael Diaz)
Subject: Re: Schmidling is simply wrong.
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:29:12 GMT

In article <EGGERTJ.92Aug12150840@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.143615.3188@oakhill.sps.mot.com> diaz@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Rafael Diaz) writes:
>>	   As a child in Tel-Aviv during the early days of the  6-Days-War, 
>>   my family watched television broadcasts from Cairo showing in vivid 
>>   (black-and-white) graphics the advances of the Egyptian army from the
>>   Mediterranean sea, towards the coastal-way of Tel-Aviv, cutting Israel
>>   in several central areas.
>>
>>	   To me and my family it was a "comedy-show", since here we are,
>>   sitting in Tel-Aviv, and seeing utter rubbish on Egyptian T.V.
>>
>>	   Your point (vs. Steven, Stewart, 1937) , that "Israelis had 
>>   been intercepting radio transmissions from Cairo and rebroadcasting 
>>   them to Jordan in a modified form, luring Jordan into the conflict
>>   and...." is really too much. 
>
>You must have had a pretty good TV set, as Tel Aviv and Cairo are
>about 300 miles apart.

	T.V. VHF broadcasts from Egypt where received in the Tel-Aviv area.
	I don't know where the transmitter was, but we where able to get 
	4 channels: 
			Cypress
			Egypt
			Jordan
			Israel T.V.

	And since you are in MIT, I suggest you find some communication
	expert and see that it is indeed possible to receive Egyptian 
	T.V. broadcasts via the air (1967) in Tel-Aviv.
>
>Steven does say in his book that the Egyptians were broadcasting false
>news for domestic consumption in the early days of the 1967 war.  Yet
>he does also say that the foreign radio broadcasts from Cairo, giving
>actual accounts of the battle, were purposely altered by the Israelis
>to draw Jordan into the war.
>--

	I guess the 'heat-wave' in New-England is severe this year....
--Rafy

>=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
-- 
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From: robinc@bnr.ca (Robin Collins)
Subject: Re: Iraq renews threats against Kuwait
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 13:37:03 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.191900.8551@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.171037.2896@bmerh85.bnr.ca> robinc@bnr.ca (Robin Collins) writes:
>
>>But if the UN is to be a "civilized body", then perhaps it should first
>>be democratic, in terms of national representation (if not population
>>representation).
>
>Given that the majority of UN member states are dictatorships or one
>party states where dissent generally isn't allowed I find this talk of
>'democracy' at the UN somewhat laughable.


Alas, then I guess the US should be allowed to run the show because it
has put most of those dictatorship into power in the first place anyway, eh?
Interesting concept of democracy you have there....

Frank

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From: michaels@m2xenix.psg.com (Michael Sandy)
Subject: Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT
Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:20:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.001838.14325@news.unomaha.edu> trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes:
>goykhman_a@apollo.hp.com  writes:
>> In article <1992Aug11.145521.29060@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker) writes:
>>     Do you realize that if the New World Order takes hold,
>>     there will be no place to hide?
>
>Why would you have to hide?  Are you breaking any laws or something
>     that would make you want to hide?

I hope that is meant to be sarcastic.  One of the reasons small oppresive
governments like that of Eastern Germany, Czecheslovokia, Poland and
the USSR fell is because there was an example of a prosperous, happy,
and *freer* society right next door.

China may well be too big to fall, simply because no nation would open
its borders sufficiently wide with respect to China to absorb its
dissatisfied citizens.  Those citizens which escaped communist Eastern
Europe during the Cold War often kept in touch with those they left behind,
telling them the truth about conditions outside Soviet Tyranny.

Another argument against the World Government:

 1)  The US has never had a serious challenge to its sovereignity, so
we really don't have personal experience with how it feels.  Think of
how Mexico felt about the US kidnapping its citizens to try them in the
US.

2)  Even if started with the best of intentions, the World Government
could easily become oppresive, especially as there is no suitable
entity to act as a check against it.

3)  What government form will you choose?  That form is intricitly tied
to national and cultural identity.  Some states/nations/religions/cultures
believe authority comes from the Mandate of Heaven and so have a very
different notion of the "loyal opposition", and legitimate challenge to
authority from US.

4)  The World Gov't could easily violate either our Bill of Rights, or
other Nations Bills simply by declaring its own version to be of a
higher priority.  For a long despairing chuckle, read the complete
 
list of Human Rights supposedly guaranteed by the UN charter.  Lets see,
right to a vacation with pay, right to a 'decent' standard of living,

>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Stephen @Trajan


-- 
Michael Sandy
michaels@m2xenix.psg.com
"Going to teach someone a lesson" is a very interesting English phrase.
It obliterates the altruistic connotation of 'teaching'.
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From: bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker)
Subject: Re: Intellectuals and totalitarianism (was Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT)
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:47:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.033102.28965@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>f > "Frank" (Robin Collins)
>
>f > Some extremely intelligent people have been fundamentalists, or dogmatists.
>f > Such is fuel for fascism.  I think some of the libertarians are right in
>f > this area of thought (and which is why people like Chomsky call themselves
>f > libertarian socialists, I suspect.) Any thoughts?
>
>  On what? That we agree that being an intellectual is no safeguard against
>  falling for totalitarian's propaganda? Or that being an intellectual is
>  no guarantee against being wrong, or just ignorant and stupid? Makes one
>  wonder why so many intellectuals are of leftist persuasion, doesn't it?
>
>  Sometimes I think your average blue-collar Joe Steelworker has more sense
>  and wisdom than all the lefty intellectuals infesting academia and the
>  "elite".
>
>
>--
>Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
>strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF

and that explains why your average Joe blue-collar steelworker is a socialist
and votes NDP in Canada,Labour in the UK,SDP in Germany,
socialist in france ,liberal-democrat in the US etc..
and Idiotic intellectuals like William F Buckley and Milton
Friedman debate in an esoteric vaccumn totally out of
touch with the cruel realities of poverty homelessness
desperation crime etc...

Your average Joe Bluecollar steelworker is a very sensible fellow
and knows who's side he is on.

ALEX

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From: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: Scudbusters
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:46:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.155840.8387@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) writes:
 
# In <1992Aug14.150800.5879@cs.brown.edu> Danny Keren states:
 
# |#Remind me, is this the same Israeli AF that executed the infamous
# |#attack against the slow-moving, non-stealthy, and ill-defended USS
# |#Liberty?  A ship the Israelis couldn't identify after hours of recon,
# |#and didn't after three attack waves?  Or so goes the official story...

# |#Seems to me that either the Israelis aren't so hot at identifying and
# |#killing targets after all, or that the Liberty story as told in public
# |#is wrong.  Take your choice.
 
# |Mistakes happen in war, even to the best and most expereinced air-forces.
 
# Hmm, interestingly enough, I happened across a letter written by a 
# member of the USS Liberty Veterans Association several years ago [NOT
# James Ennes] to a magazine. He makes it clear that ECM pods carried 
# onboard Mirage IIIs (I believe that's the designation of the Israeli 
# Mirages.) were set for U.S. Navy communications frequencies, AND WERE 
# NOT WIDEBAND JAMMING.
 
	Do you (or perhaps the author of that letter) know anything about
the laws of physics, radio frequencies, military intelligence, counter
intelligence?

# This clearly indicates Israeli knowledge of the USS Liberty as an
# American vessel and not of any combatant.

	Correct.  By the way, how come you log on as 'rats' and not your
real name, which I remember to be D Woo.  At any rate, you once posted
something blaming Jews for antisemitism since some Jews support gun
control.  I take everything you write as absurd.
--

David Makowsky
makowsky@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
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From: deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM (Bob Deguc)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Sam Donaldson, Media Celebrity, Hides in T
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:04:06 GMT
Reply-To: deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: holein1.corp.sun.com

In article 65994@hydra.gatech.EDU, gt7122b@prism.gatech.EDU (R. Mandock) writes:
> Yesterday, an ABC news producer for Sam Donaldson was shot by a sniper, while
> covering the violence in Yugoslavia.  There was no room for him in the tank 
> in which Sam "Nasty Boy" Donaldson sat, well-protected and well-paid.  Is
> there a point to this?   Maybe.  Should the on-air "personality" be more well
> protected than the producer, who, after all, did the REAL work necessary to
> prepare any and all news stories originating from that location?  I mean, is
> Sam Donaldson really irreplaceable, or could ABC, for instance, just  subject
> Corkie Roberts to 72 hours of continuous sleep deprivation, poke her with
> sharp sticks an hour before broadcast time and then loose her on polite 
> company and achieve the same effect?
> 
> 
> -- 
> MANDOCK,R.
> Internet: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu

This is really just too choice!  Do this post have a purpose?  The only thing
I see in it is that the originator seems to think that Sam Donaldson should
have died instead of his producer (his name was David Kaplin BTW).  I would
like to see your source for this post especially the part about the tank.  The
only thing I've seen mentioned about the vehicle that Donaldson was riding
in was that it was "different car".  This was from an AP story in The Argus
14 Aug 1992.

It should be further noted that Mr. Kaplin was not wearing a bullet-proof
vest like most of the rest of the press does.  I suppose that you think
that Sam took that too.

A man has died.  Please don't trivialize it taking a cheap shot a someone
who had *nothing* to do with his death.


Bob De Guc
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From: garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: STUDY: NAFTA TO CAUSE U.S. JOB, INCOME LOSS
Summary: We need more intelligent discussion
Date: 13 Aug 92 00:45:46 GMT
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In article <1992Aug12.023021.5096@leland.Stanford.EDU>, foster@leland.Stanford.EDU (Pabl writes...
>In article <51653@dime.cs.umass.edu> yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken) writes:
>
>I simply felt a need to expose the truth in an area where I happen to have
>more training and knowledge than the common folk...Accordingly, this will be
>the **LAST** time that I will publish on this net.  Thank you, however, for 
>your attention.  
> 
> 
>Sincerely,
> 
> 
>	Paul Estrada, PhD
>	Department of Economics
>	Stanford University

Although it is reasonable to question someones credentials when posting
in this net, please don't let one bad apple spoil it for the rest of us.
We need as much intelligent and informed discussion as we can get. I'll
probably get flamed for this, but if you continue posting here it
would be worth it. Thank you.

Garrett@Ingres.com

Disclaimer: My opinions are not reflective of my company's.
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From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:58:07 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Aug12.185553.8165@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> bunker@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Alex Bunker) writes:
>In article <Bsvrv2.4Js@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>
>>   Nations only work when there is a basic set of values or common
>>   culture to bind people together.  Attempts to create nations where
>>   these don't exist is folly.  Witness Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, 
>>   USSR, India before partition, etc.   
>>
>>    
>>---peter
>>
>
>Peter, you are mixing up apples and oranges yes these states fell apart because
>they were kept together by coercion and the government did not respect
>local autonomy. A world government could have 
>constitutional restrictions on its power so it can only deal with global 
>issues.


   Who gets to decide what a "global issue" is?   Dozens of nations
   around the world are complaining that Japan has cultural trade
   barriers to imports and is running a huge trade surplus with them,
   "stealing" jobs and destabilizing their economies.  Is this a global
   issue?   Is South Africa's treatment of their black population
   (or events in "Yugolsavia", or Somalia) a global issue?   If a nation
   decided to sell lots of gold or oil on the world market to raise
   cash, hugely impacting commodities prices, is this a global issue?
   Thailand's prostitute industry is one of the major sources of AIDS
   in Asia -- is this this a global issue?   What if a country legalizes
   drugs like cocaine or marijuana and offers to sell to anyone who 
   wants to buy -- is this a global issue if there are willing buyers?
   If a nation has plenty of oil, but refuses to sell it, or limits
   sales to keep prices up, is this a global issue?   The world's
   population is growing rapidly -- is a nation's willingness to adopt
   birth control a global issue?   The Bundesbank rcently raised 
   interest rates despite a recession in the rest of Europe and
   America -- is this a global issue?    If a nation wants to maintain
   full employment by constantly undercutting the labor costs of other
   nations, say by having very low taxes (and no social services) and
   having no business or safety regulations on industry, should they
   be allowed to or is this a global issue?   Etc, etc.


---peter

   
   

  


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From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Candidates and their women
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:11:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <13384.2a906e3f@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>, vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:
> In article <ART.92Aug17100856@world.std.com>, art@world.std.com (Al Thompson) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug15.094733.597@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>> 
>>    In article <1992Aug15.014816.26727@pony.Ingres.COM>, garrett@Ingres.COM (QUOTE OF THE YEAR) writes:
>> [...]
>> 
>> 	   But I think this misses the main point.  Why has the press had
>>    free reign to bludgeon Gary Hart, Clinton and others with stories of
>>    their picadillos but seems to just now be coming out of its strait
>>    jacket with respect to GHWB?
>> 
>> Because these is objective proof that Hart and Clinton were fooling
>> around.  There is no such evidence in Bush's case.  The putative
>> statements of a dead man don't count for much.
>> 
> 
> Isn't it interesing how some people associated with controversy about
> Reagan or Bush are conveniently dead?
> 
> -Garrett

 	
Does anyone know what the cause of death is supposed to have been?
 
	 
 
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From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: WORLD GOVERNMENT
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:06:34 GMT

ab> Alex Bunker
sm> Stephen McIntyre

sm> Citizens become more susceptable to propaganda precisely because they lack
sm> a good education.  With T.V. and commercial magazines doing the thinking
sm> for them, people are killing off their minds, strangling the very thing
sm> that could protect them from irrational pinheads with a presuasive voice
sm> and power on the mind. So, what can we do then? Keep TV from the people?
sm> Regulate the hours a station can run programming? I don't know. Any sug-
sm> gestions?

ab> Simple, restrict television advertising. 

  Well, there goes the freedom of expression. How many other freedoms are you
  planning to trash on your way to an all-Good, all-knowing, all-wonderful
  world government? It's beginning to sound more and more like 1984 to me. 

ab> Television will become more educational and less commercially-consumer
ab> advocating pander to the lowest common denomenator.

  Interesting. Get rid of ads, and we get better TV. Um, how does this TV 
  get paid for in the first place? Advertisers. You make it sound as though 
  advertising itself is some kind of evil thing. Sorry, but if you remember
  creating a resume, you were advertising yourself. Basically, without it,
  the flow of information decreases greatly. Again, your future world sounds
  less and less inviting and desirable the more you talk about it.

ab> Look the best television is on the channels without commercials PBS TVO
ab> BBC etc...

  Here in the US, the Discovery channel and A&E are doing quite well, and
  presenting quite good TV, with commercials too! I think I'll take a stu-
  pid commercial every 15 minutes over interminable "pledge drives" any day.

  Believe it or not, capitalism is not the source of every stinking festering
  problem facing the world. If there's one thing your posts indicate, you 
  have become radicalized by reading the Net. I remember a kindler, gentler
  Alex Bunker a short time back. Relax, and get mellow. No need to sound so
  final and declarative and know-it-all.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: Professional athletes in Olympics?
Followup-To: misc.headlines
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Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 11:47:00 GMT

In article <133051@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi) writes...
>for years.  Several years ago, the International Olympic Committee
>decided to give the individual sports federations the right to decide
>whether professionals should be allowed at the Olympics.  The president


Thanks for the useful information. And thanks to a few other
followups that have made me aware I've acquired a certain reputation 
here...

The sports section of the paper is the only one I don't read,
incidentally. All it is is victory, defeat, and knee injuries, right?
I do read the occasional sports article that makes it to the
front page, as well as some in the NYT Sunday magazine. My
mention of "no background" information in the story in this case
was not to imply that I thought the Times was being coy, but to
indicate my humility (humiliation?) at not knowing something
that obviously was common knowledge. 
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Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: More Sarajevo notes
Date: 16 Aug 92  02:20:00 EST

Organization: Dept. of Independence

In article <1992Aug13.141339.3437@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes...
>	I see pics of Sarajevo every night on the news.  They've been in the
> ...
>	He meant that he cannot insert troops until a zone of safety appears. 
>Inserting troops into a hostile environment gets them killed very quickly.

There =are= pictures identified as being from Sarajevo, yes, but
with  only a couple of exceptions since April, they don't show
destroyed buildings. They show people running, soldiers with
rifles standing, old ladies in shawls and scarves. 

Anybody who knows when to "insert" troops should have been a 
general himself!
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