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From: canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: New Thread: Pagan Fiction
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:59:08 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <1992Aug15.200804.22678@lmt.mn.org> ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson) writes:
>  Let's add another thread too -- Pagan Music !!!
>
>  [examples deleted]
>
	Uh oh - I think I remember having see this thread before!  :)  This
time I think a defination of what you want to call pagan music might be
helpful.  Until such a time as there is one, I'll feel free to utilise my
fairly broad defination of pagan :)

	Morris On - A. Hutchings, R. Thompson et al. do folk-rock versions
		of _real_ pagan (well, OK, pagan-derived) music: morris
		dances!

	The Tain - Horslips - Irish folk-rock outfit from the '70s musical
		version of the Irish literary masterpiece.  They're
		whacked, but it's kinda neat.

	Current 93 - Sveinbj|rn Beinteinsson: Edda - released under the
		name of some weirdoid group from the UK, this is simply
		a recording of Sveinbj|rn (Asatru leader in Iceland)
		by himself chanting bits of the Edda kvaedi as well as some
		of his own rimur.  I think he does all of V|luspa, as well
		as bits of Havamal and Sigdrifumal.  

	Hawkwind - various albums - stretching pagan a bit but they get
		weird Atlantean and early '70s New Age-like stuff going on
		some of their old albums like Space Ritual and things of
		that ilk.  Space Ritual's liner notes are really wild new
		age stuff.
	
	Jethro Tull - surely everyone knows about "Cup of Wonder",
		"Beltane" and "Jack-in-the-Green" by now?

	I tend to think of pagan religion as inseperable from folk
tradition, so I lump a great deal of folk music into the "pagan" cateogry.
It would be foolish to spit out and exhaustive list here.  I will mention
bands like Fairport [happy 25th to them], Steeleye, the Albion Band as well
as newer bands such as the Oyster Band, Phoenix, and Tempest.

Cheers,
Carl

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From: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: S'mores (was: New Thread: Pagan Fiction)
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:51:14 GMT
Reply-To: boylan@sltg04.ljo.dec.com (Steve Boylan)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <2A91B93A.16455@orion.oac.uci.edu>,
cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

> >I welcome replies.  Flames are for making "Some-Mores".
> 
> With graham crackers, marshmallows, and DARK chocolate (as required by
> BITCH GODDESS NUMBER WHATEVER -- 1 OR 2 DEPENDING ON WHAT NUMBER AILSA
> WANTS, a.k.a. BG#W1O2DOWNAW)?  I consider them to be a separate food
> group all on their own.  They're best when you make them on a beach over
> a fire with a bunch of friends, with BIG graham crackers, a half a
> Hershey's DARK chocolate bar (as required by BG#W1O2DOWNAW), and TWO
> count `em two fat marshmallows.  If they are colored marshmallows, it adds
> to the spirituality of the event.  
> 
> Now I'm all hungry . . . 
> 
> BLessings,
> Janis the BG#W1O2DOWNAW.
 
Of course, if one is desperate, a toaster oven set on "Top Brown"
works very well.  Be sure to put foil on the tray, under the
marshmallows, or you'll make a HORRIBLE mess!

Naturally (pun intended), on the beach with a fire and a bunch of
friends is far better, and is far better for one's spiritual
development.

However, I must disagree with Janis the BG#W1O2DOWNAW on one point -
the purity of the all-white marshmallow, toasted to a rich dark brown,
with just a HINT of crispiness, is a much more richly spiritual for
me - the colors detract from my enjoyment of the ritual.

				- - Steve
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From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: resign alt.pagan
Summary: Who is number one?
Keywords: you are either hammer or anvil!
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 04:43:19 GMT

In article <memo.578258@cix.compulink.co.uk> 
shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>

Por que nada? Reino del ensueno? 
And why do you wish to resign, number six?
You can check out any time you like, but ...

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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Firewalk
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:38:07 GMT

krikket@meltdown.chi.il.us (D. 'krikket' Krick) writes:
: 
: >And don't forget to tackle the big one. Which came first, humans or deities?
: >Can deities exist without humans? Can humans exist without deities? Who
: >created whom? Answer this and you should have no problem walking on rice
: >paper without making a mark.
: 
: Easy.  It doesn't matter.  Humans and Dieties need each other, and if there
: was a vacuum, one would simply create the other.

Very good, Krikket. I wish more people understood this.

Bill
From: canders@isr.harvard.edu (Carl E. Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: New Thread: Pagan Fiction
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:23:26 GMT
Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

In article <PIERSON.92Aug19095719@kukri.mps.mlo.dec.com> pierson@kukri.mps.mlo.dec.com (dan pierson) writes:
>> YEARS to read it! I out it down two or three times. If you like that kind 
>> of read, try Mervyn Peake's _The Gormenghast Trilogy_
>
>Seconded, an all time great, not all that pagan though.  On the other
>hand, I bought "Moonwise" (my first pagan book recommendation) because
>of hearing the author speak in a panel on Gormenghast... 

	I was lucky enough to get both the "Moonwise" author and Ellen
Kushner to come speak to the Harvard-Radcliffe SF Association together a
year or so back.  They were very cool.  Ellen Kushner is no slouch when it
comes to ballads.

Cheers,
Carl

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From: edp@math.zko.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Subject: Re: privacy act
Reply-To: edp@math.zko.dec.com (Eric Postpischil)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:40:08 GMT

In article <5810@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>, lilleyc@cs.man.ac.uk (Chris Lilley) writes:

>This posting puzzled me.  [About a privacy amendment making private
>acts legal.]
>
>Growing grass in your own house is illegal; are you saying that
>illegal acts become decriminalised if carried out in the privacy of
>your own home?

The US Constitution currently gives some guarantees of privacy, such as
prohibiting a search of a person's home without a warrant.  The Supreme
Court has tried to figure out what the original authors of these
passages meant.  It comes down to something like this:  George
Washington et al told the government "You can't go into a home without a
darn good reason." and that means the government can't tell you what to
do in your own home without a darn good reason.  This interpretation has
been weakened by increasing Supreme Court decisions that allow the
government to invade private places, property, and effects with less and
less reason.  A privacy amendment would strengthen the prohibition on
the government, telling the government it could not invade privacy
without really, really, really good reasons.

>I can see some problems with that.
>
>"Oh sorry sir, I didn't mean to interrupt you beating your wife,
>excuse me for trespassing"

How could a privacy amendment cause this to happen?  If a spouse is
beaten, he or she has a right to ask for help.  As a party to the
incident, they are not invading privacy.

>Perhaps you could post some more details about how privacy legislation
>can affect abortion rights or growing cannabis. This wasn't exactly
>clear in the original post.

A privacy amendment would tell the government that certain things are
off limits to it; it could not tell people what they could or could not
do in private as long as the participants were informed, competent, and
consenting persons and were not committing a force or fraud against
other persons.


                                -- edp (Eric Postpischil)
                                "Always mount a scratch monkey."
                                edp@alien.enet.dec.com
From: radzy@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lynne Radzykewycz)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:01:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: S'mores (was: New Thread: Pagan Fiction)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.pagan

cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>I welcome replies.  Flames are for making "Some-Mores".
> 
> With graham crackers, marshmallows, and DARK chocolate (as required by
> BITCH GODDESS NUMBER WHATEVER -- 1 OR 2 DEPENDING ON WHAT NUMBER AILSA
> WANTS, a.k.a. BG#W1O2DOWNAW)?  I consider them to be a separate food
> group all on their own.  They're best when you make them on a beach over
> a fire with a bunch of friends, with BIG graham crackers, a half a
> Hershey's DARK chocolate bar (as required by BG#W1O2DOWNAW), and TWO
> count `em two fat marshmallows.  If they are colored marshmallows, it adds
> to the spirituality of the event.  
> 
> Now I'm all hungry . . . 
> 
> BLessings,
> Janis the BG#W1O2DOWNAW.

The timeliness of this posting!  My S.O. and I are headed off on a long 
weekend camping trip tomorrow.  He called me at work today and asked 
what he should be packing to take.  I rattled off a thing or two, 
then remembered "Hey, don't forget to pack the S'Mores!!".  Then I
read notes over lunch and saw your posting....

Dark starry skies, trees overhead, a crackling campfire, and S'Mores 
being made.  Ahhh, what a life!

Lynne "who has blue eyes...  Wait, that's from a different thread!"





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From: pharvey@quack.sac.ca.us (Paul Harvey)
Subject: Re: I waste my time (was: Hitler as Occultist (was: Numbers))
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
	<2A8B1FCC.1395@noiro.acs.uci.edu> <fRfIhrR@quack.sac.ca.us>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 23:16:19 GMT

In article <2A8B1FCC.1395@noiro.acs.uci.edu> 
cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>WHAT IS IT WITH CHRISTIANITY THAT LENDS IT TO SUCH ABUSES? 

Another problem with traditional Christianity, besides the conversion
thing, is the vision thing or the imbalance caused by downgrading the
value of woman and goddess and elevating the god to the top. This
creates an unnatural imbalance. Woman is the natural mother of man, and
so it is taught that nature is evil, that the SINS of the earth are to
be NOT enjoyed, that the kingdom of the Lord is after death, in heaven.
This is justification to essentially rape the earth, after all it is the
afterlife that matters. But, the truth is that the kingdom is right
here, right now, only many don't see that. If you knew that this Earth
and this life is the creation of the creator, would you treat it
differently? Hell is not seeing that the kingdom is right here right
now, and we see Hell all around us don't we? We are turning the kingdom
into Hell through our own disrespect of the natural way. How much longer 
can we go on raping the earth and turning down the aid offered by the goddess?
I think the rein of Christianity and Islam have shown us that we can not
survive with God alone, we also need Goddess. Just as the concept of
human being ceases to exist without man and woman, so does the concept
of religion fail without god and goddess. United we stand, divided we
fall. I praise the long awaited return of the goddess, to complete the
whole, to return the cycles, cycles upon cycles. 2 alone equals 2, 2 + 3
= 5, a complete cycle.
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: new hassles
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:57:52 GMT

In article <3N5oPB2w164w@drc.uucp> alizard@drc.uucp (A.Lizard) writes:
>Saw something interesting on the tube, local news. 
>It seems that a group called the Traditional Values Coalition had
>a local chapter which had a clown named Bryce Alexander giving a
>fundie style lecture on the Craft. It made the news because a group
>of Wiccans protested it. 
>This is the group that got a measure passed in Concord,Calif. that
>repealed an anti-gay discrimination ordinance. 
>This is something that at a minimum, should be of interest to Calif.
>pagans.

Only because it makes me shake my head and hope that the next extinction
wave hits fast before we REALLY do some damage . . . 

Blessings,
Janis the Cynic
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Chocolate (was Re: "gangway, folx")
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:35:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <_85m#9p@lynx.unm.edu>, swells@triton.unm.edu (Earth-daughter) writes:
> 
> O TUNEWEAVER, THE BITCH GODDESS FROM HELL NUMBER 3 (shannon doesn't
> want to be TOO full of hubris) AHEM, ANYWAY,

BG3, Ignore all other replies. 

> THE BITCH GODDESS FROM HELL NUMBER 3 IS PLEASED BY YOUR NOBLE
> EFFORTS.  HERE IS THE WAY TO PLACATE THE BITCH GODDESS PERSONA:
> 
> YOU MUST FIRST GO THROUGH THE BITCH GODDESS CLEANSING RITUAL -
> 
> 1)FIND THE CLOSEST FEMALE TO YOU AND CLEANSE HER LIKE SHE WERE
>   YOUR GODDESS.  YOU MUST GIVE HER A BATH AND A FOOT MASSAGE
>   AS IF YOUR VERY SOUL DEPENDS UPON IT. (WELL, IT DOES!)

No problem here...

> 2) YOU MUST TELL HER SHE IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL FEMALE YOU'VE
>    EVER GOTTEN TO KNOW PERSONALLY AND THAT YOU ARE HAPPY IN
>    HER COMPANY.

Hey, I can lie with the best of them (many smileys)

> 3) YOU MUST BRUSH HER HAIR AND GIVE HER MANY HUGS.

I already do this...

> 4) THEN YOU MUST RUB LAVENDER OIL ON HER FEET.

Well, I've never been terribly into feet, but I'll try
anything once :-)
 
> 5) THE FINAL STEP IS THAT YOU MUST LET HER DO THE SAME FOR
>    YOU AND YOU MUST ENJOY IT AND TELL HER SO, MANY TIMES.

I hear and obey!!

> THE NEXT STEP IS A SACRIFICE TO THE BITCH GODDESS HERSELF:
> 
> YOU MUST MAKE 3 (THREE) BATCHES OF DEATH BY CHOCOLATE
> AND MAIL THEM TO THE THREE BITCH GODDESS PERSONAE (FED EX,
> PLEASE)

Um, Fed Ex is a little pricey, couldn't I just fax it
instead? :-) :-) :-)

> USE ONLY THE FINEST QUALITY CHOCOLATE (VALRHONA DARK WILL
> DO VERY NICELY), AND OTHERWISE ORGANIC INGREDIENTS.
> 
> IN ADDITION, EACH OF THE BITCH GODDESS PERSONAE WILL REQUIRE
> AN INDIVIDUAL PLACATION.

Couldn't I just do the ritual of cleansing with each
Bitch Goddess? (pant, pant)

> I, BITCH GODDESS NUMBER THREE, REQUIRE THAT YOU ALSO PLACE
> IN THE BOX CONTAINING THE PLACATION OFFERING ONE RED ROSE
> AND AN INSCRIPTION IN CALLIGRAPHY SAYING, I BESEECH THEE,
> SHANNON ELIZABETH BITCH GODDESS, TO BE FAVOURABLE TOWARD
> ALL MY EFFORTS IN PUBLIC DISCOURSE RELATING TO WOMEN'S
> ISSUES.  I HOPE THIS OFFERING PLEASES THEE ABUNDANTLY.
> AND WHAT NICE BLUE EYES YOU HAVE.

How'd you know my eyes were blue??  Oh *I* get it, it's still
part of the placation. *Ahem*, Shannon Elizabeth, what *nice*
blue eyes you have!!

> BG3 HAS SPOKEN.

WHEW! She sure has!!

Richard
(A Chastened Tuneweaver)
From: IO81409@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (Ailsa N.T. Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: I have returned...
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:55:28 GMT
 <1992Aug20.064725.7735@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
Organization: University of Maine System

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From: radzy@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lynne Radzykewycz)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:48:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Returned mail: Host unknown
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.pagan

> Liz posts bounced e-mail to me:
> / hpcc01:alt.pagan / Mailer-Daemon@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mail Delivery Subsystem) /  7:08 am  Aug 17, 1992 /
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>  550 radzy@hpccol.corp.hp.com... Host unknown
> 

That's an easy mistake to make... my system's host name is H P C C zero one, 
not H P C C letter-O letter-L.

> you BET i'm a dancer!!!!!  seminar instructor, at that....yup, a
> part-cherokee, shamanistic, hillbilly, 66-cutlass-driving, middle eastern
> dancer.  that's me.

Me, I'm a part-Finnish, pagan-in-training, suburban, 87-Honda-driving,
middle eastern dancer.  Hmm.... you sound a *lot* more interesting!

> i would *really* like to compile a list of dancers with email capability.....

Me for one.  There's Naomi (Hi Naomi!).  There are oodles of dancers
here in the S.F. Bay Area, and I don't know any others with e-mail.

> liz, aka SHAKIRA

Lynne aka KALILAH

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From: jblain@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: New Thread: Pagan Fiction
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:57:33 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

To add to the fiction booklist -

The Dark Twin by Marion Campbell.
	Prehistoric reconstruction - has parallels with Tristran and Iseult
	legend. The setting is an attempt by Sky-God followers to challenge 
	the traditional worship of the Mother.

I haven't read this book for 12 years but still remember parts vividly. 
I left it behind when we moved from Scotland to Canada (for 1 year, we 
thought then . . .) and I've never found a copy. If you find one, buy it!  
If you find another, let me know . . .


Fionavar Tapestry trilogy by Guy Gavriel Kay (Collins, Toronto) - The Summer
Tree, The Wandering Fire, and The Darkest Road.
	Fantasy, with a lot of Celtic mythology and magic. There's a lot of
	fantasy stuff out there - but this one's very very well written and
	I highly recommend it.
-- 

	Jenny		Jblain @ ac.dal.ca
__________________________________________________________________________
	I was in many shapes before I was released:
	.....
	I was a path, I was an eagle, I was a coracle in seas;
	I was a bubble in beer, I was a drop in a shower;
	I was a sword in hand, I was a shield in battle.
	I was a string in a harp enchanted nine years, in the water as foam;
	I was a spark in fire, I was wood in a bonfire;
	I am not one who does not sing; I have sung since I was small.

						[from The Book of Taliesin]
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe)
Subject: Re: gift to the sea
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 05:14:03 GMT
Keywords: here, fishy fishy...

ceci@lysator.liu.se (Ceci Henningsson) writes:

>Noone in the Netherlands is starving. The Netherlands is an
>industrialized country in the north-western part of Europe. It shares
>borders with Belgium, Luxemburg and Germany and has a Northsea coast.

It must be nice.  The U.S.A. is an industrialised country in North America
where people starve to death every day.  :-(

              Merry meet, merry part, merry meet again,
                               Br'anArthur

Queer, Peculiar, and Wyrd! :-)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: jet, ruby
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 00:47:56 GMT

Sally Bowley (sallyb@qiclab.scn.rain.com) wrote:

: In article <CMM.0.88.713648907.fannin@tortoise.cis.ohio-state.edu> fannin@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (elizabeth a fannin) writes:
: >
: >another topic:  in a fiction book i had some years back ruby is described as a
: >defense against negative energy.  can't remember the title of the dang
: >thing....anyone heard of this one?  (NOT that i am likely to own any rubies!!)
: 
: flicks open handy dandy book and reads..... ;-)

[excellent discription by my friend Sally deleted]

Hi, Sally! <hug>  What's the name of the book, dear?? :)
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG     erc@apple.com                801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
From: radzy@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lynne Radzykewycz)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:14:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Hitler as Occultist (was: Re: Numbers)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.pagan

/ hpcc01:alt.pagan / ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson) / 11:28 am  Aug 15, 1992 /
>  p.s.  Hey -- wasn't that a FABULOUS moon we just had?  Big
> and bright and shiney -- and only 45 degrees (F) during our

It sure was!  

My sweetie and I packed up some supplies after dinner that night 
and headed over to the local wildlife refuge.  We hiked to the top
of one of the hills, spread out the blanket, poured two glasses of
wine, and watched as the Sun made his descent in the sky.  When he
touched the horizon, we made a toast to him and kept him company
as he descended beneath the horizon.... then watched the wonderous 
display of pink, then red, then violet in the early night
sky.

Then we turned to face the eastern horizon to await the appearance
of the Moon.  Unbeknownst to us, there were clouds at the top of
the hills on the eastern horizon, so what we first saw was an
unusual glow of rich yellow on the horizon.  We gasped in delight 
and raised a toast to the Moon, then watched her rise to display 
her full glory above the horizon and then above the clouds.

We headed home under her light, with the first glimmerings of stars
in the night sky.

Ahhhhh!

Lynne



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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: I have returned...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:26:10 GMT

amanda@INTERCON.COM (Amanda Walker) writes:
: I'm back.  At least, if you can read this, I'm back :)...
: 
: Amanda Walker
: amanda@intercon.com

Hi Amanda. I am glad you were able to return.  

Bill

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