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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Purdue-Notre Dame prediction
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:51:11 GMT

In article <Kevin.T.Buttler.1-260992184002@oucfax.cc.nd.edu> Kevin.T.Buttler.1@nd.edu (Kevin Buttler ) writes:
>
>I began to wonder why any one would consider hyping Purdue.
>		a) your team sucks
>		b) your campus is a dump
>		c) and your engineering program is overrated (entirely)

	As for (b), it's much improved in recent years.  You should
	visit again.  Fault Purdue for substance over style...

	As for (c), I've actually heard quite the opposite over the
	years, as in Purdue's is top-notch and ND's is overrated.  Most
	of those groups that rate such things agree about this...

	There's nothing worse than a sore winner, and a coach who puts
	his starting defense back in at the end to preserve a shutout...

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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: ND & polls
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:54:35 GMT

Cliff Slaughterbeck writes:

>What?  Since when is ECMB bigger than NDMB?

East Carolina . . . North Dakota . . . What's the difference?

     - Pat
.
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Date: Tue,  6 Oct 1992 15:23:31 -0400 
From: William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Best marching band
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You're all wrong!
The best marching band was my high school marching band!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Save this marching band stuff for another bboard please!!!!!!!!!
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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Why won't ND play FAMU?
Followup-To: David Poore art. 8175
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 19:20:24 GMT


>>JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com wrote:
>>}                                       [Miami has] the balls to play
>>}the Florida A & M Wardens.  I think Notre Dame should study how a
		    ^^^^^^^

>Could you explain that please? I guess I'm just slow...

>David Poore

Actually what this really means is that Florida A&M really does have the balls to
play Miami, unlike ND who not only doesn't have the balls to play Miami, they also
don't have the balls to play the Rattlers (FAMU for the uninitiated). For all you
ND fans with clout in the AD's office, the Canes have a couple of open dates next
year, how about it? Let's see some balls, call the Canes and schedule a date. We'll
be there, will you? Of course we don't want you if you have any blemishes on your
record. It wouldn't meet our high athletic standards d8~).

John T.

Go CANES! Go DOLPHINS!
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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: 2-point conversion (was: Re: UW - OSU)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:27:27 GMT

Situation: Down by ten, the Buckeyes score a touchdown to bring the score to 
           20-16 with about 4:30 remaining.

Question: Should they go for two so that a field goal will win?  Or do they go 
          for one and thus need another TD to win?

The solution: Go for one.  Get the sure(r) thing and increase the chances of
              not worse than a tie.  Send the message to both teams that you
              fully intend to win and are willing to go for the TD to do it.

The rub: The kicker gets roughed on the extra point.  Taking hte penalty will 
         negate the kick but allow you to go for two from closer in.

The new question: Do you do it?

Cooper's answer: Yes.  If you can't put it in from a yard and a half out you 
                 shouldn't win anyhow.

The result: Cooper goes for the two pointer and the Buckeyes fail to make it.  
            Now they are psychologically down *and* they have lost a point that
            they had already earned.

The lesson: The old addage "Don't take points off the board" comes to mind.  
            But, either strategy would have been defensable.  The inconsistant 
            strategy shows a weakness of leadership to the players.  When 
            Cooper decided to go for one, he should have accepted the 
            successful result.  If he was going to reconsider, he should have 
            gone for two in the first place.  The penalty should not have made 
            his descision.  Certainly he wasn't thinking, "I'll go for one and 
            then if they rough my kicker, I'll go for two from closer in."  And
            at this level, that kind of indesiveness will cost a coach dearly.

     - Pat
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Big Ten Guest Prognosticators
Keywords: Big Ten
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:10:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.000754.9629@en.ecn.purdue.edu> lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson) writes:
>(Randy Peppler) writes:
>
>>
>>M.A. says:			Northwestern 20, PURDUE 16
>>V.J. says:			PURDUE 28, Northwestern 27
>>B.K. says:			Northwestern 21, PURDUE 17
>>P.L. says:			PURDUE 24, Northwestern 10
>>
>>	(Ed. note:  If NU does indeed win this game, the Purdue
>>	football program should be disbanded and the gargantuan
>>	new football facility given to the English Department)
>
>We have an English Department here???  I kinda thought we could donate it
>to Brother Max and Brother Jed.....

	Well, I guess it's part of Humanities, or whatever...

	I got a better suggestion from someone - let Harry's Chocolate
	Shop move in there.  That way they'd never have to worry about
	space again, and we could start writing and carving grafitti
	in the Mollenkopf Center...

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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: football in Florida
Date: 3 Oct 92 06:23:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

tbreeden@afit.af.mil (Thomas A. Breeden) wrote:
}
}How about a few years back when (I think it was) Clemson
}and Southern Miss smoked FSU the first two games of the
}season? 

I think calling FSU's 30-26 loss to Southern Miss and 34-23 loss
to Clemson "smoked" is going a bit overboard.  (These were FSU's
first two games in the 1989 season.)

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

    "I may be a scwewy wabbit, but I'm not going to Alcatwaz!"
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Division 3 Game of the Year
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:31:45 GMT
	<1992Oct2.165104.13967@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
	<1992Oct5.174307.13561@den.mmc.com>
	<1992Oct5.205825.22192@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <1992Oct5.205825.22192@en.ecn.purdue.edu> lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson) writes:
}} 
}} P.S.  Somebody help me out here.  If somebody makes a mistake on the net, is 
}} it customary to yell at them, cut them down, and try to make them feel
}} like total idiots?  I hope y'all aren't like that in real life....
}} How about just politely correcting somebody?

In general, yes, it's customary, if not welcome.  You have to develop
a thick skin to survive.  Is it a good thing?  No, but with all the
high-flying egos and woofing that goes on in the sports groups, it is
the norm.  Some of us try (and sometimes fail) to restrain ourselves,
though.  The more respected voices (Peter Reiher, Goober Smith, Mark
Mitchell, et al.) usually make their points without slighting others.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
       "If you loose your arrow, you're likely to lose it in the weeds,"
                       was often heard in days of yore.

             If I don't want it in my back yard, I don't want it.
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From: rszczerb@foster.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Subject: Re: FSU-Miami-ND 
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:08:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.143425.11415@meaddata.com> bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones) writes:
>You are correct.  My question, though, still is why would Florida State
>dislike ND.  The previous poster made it pretty obvious that FSU doesn't
>like ND.  Disliking a team you haven't had contact with seems pretty
>silly.
>
>Also, I thought Lou Holtz and Bobby Bowden were pretty good buddies.
>I think most ND fans respect Florida Sate.
>
>Bob Jones
>

As a loyal ND fan, I'd like to comment on the above post.  I've
definitely got a lot of respect for the FSU program.  I think they
should've won the MNC at least once over the past few years.  They're
definitely my favorite team from the state of Florida.

... but I still want Miami to win the game this weekend.  I don't
think there's too much more a loyal ND fan could want than to play
an undefeated, #1 ranked Miami in the Fiesta Bowl and just beat
the crap out of them.

Anyway ... it should be a great game on Saturday.

	rob
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis
Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 92 14:35:59 CST
From:         Bapi Gupta <C31801AG@WUVMD>
To:           NETNEWS@WUVMD
Subject:      Re: r.s.f.c Top 25 poll
Newsgroups:   rec.sport.football.college

>
>In article <1992Sep30.174236.6451@u.washington.edu>,
>millert@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Miller) says:
>
>Could someone repost the instructions for entering or the address to enter?
>
>Homer

- Select up to your top 25 teams.  Points are scored as 25-24-23...3-2-1.
  If you choose to select fewer than 25 teams that's okay.  Points are
  then scored n-(n-1)-(n-2)...3-2-1.  If that bothers you I can send you
  an explanation of why it's done that way.  Your vote for your top n
  teams still affects those teams as much as someone who picked all 25.

- Use the same format the following format (I may try to conform to
  Chris Stassen's format - i.e. no # signs, but not this week).

# $                  <--- always on the first line
# Washington              pound sign, single space, team name
# Florida State               (nothing else on the line)
# Michigan
# (etc, for the other 22 teams)

- Use the team names *exactly* as I post them in the Gupta Power Ratings.

- Send you picks to me at either c31801ag@wuvmd.wustl.edu    or
                                 c31801ag@wuvmd.bitnet
  if those don't work try        bapi@artsci.wustl.edu


Thanks for your ballot,
Bapi
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From: jade@triton.unm.edu (Eric Jaderlund)
Subject: Re: Washington 17 USC 12+ ?
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 19:35:42 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <BvM0so.EJ4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jds23971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Neff) writes:
>exuwry@exu.ericsson.se (William Ryan) writes:
>
>>On the Washington interception in the endzone that killed the
>>Trojans, I noticed that the Washington player never put his knee
>>down in the endzone to cause a touchback.  He intercepted the pass
>>and ran off the field out of the endzone with his teammates. 
>
>>The Washington player never touching
>>his knee to the turf!  The ESPN replay cut it off when the player was
>>about 2 yards from the sideline, but I don't think there could have
>>been anyway that his knee touched.
>
>>Help me, did the Pac 10 officials (and everybody else) miss an
>>easy call ?  Please respond if anyone else saw this.
>
>bill,
>   It's only a safety if the player takes the ball into the end
>   zone under his own power.  In this case he caught the ball in the
>   end zone and never came out.  It doesn't matter how he goes down.  If
>   he touches his knee, is tackled, runs out of bounds, or is pushed
>   out, it is a touchback.  This is something I hear a lot, usually when
>   a player gets an interception or kickoff in the end zone, starts to
>   run out, and is tackled.  This is not a safety. It is a touchback.
>   Just as long as he never comes out of the end zone.
>
>   Neff
>

Well that is the problem...he DID run out of the end zone under his own
power.  After the interception the celebrated and then left the end zone
and ran out of bounds at around the 5 yard line.  Since he never make an
attempt to down the ball...and didnt run out of bounds in the end zone
I think the play should still be alive.  I think maybe that the ref blew
his whistle too early and killed the play.

-Eric (the question is moot) Jaderlund
 jade@triton.unm.edu
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From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Subject: Re: APtop10 teams with ranked opponents (was Re: FSU-Miami)
Organization: University of Michigan
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:27:36 GMT

In article <9210012251.AA03424@dseg.ti.com> noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:

   bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones) writes:

   >Does Florida State play anyone tough this year besides Miami? (Not a
   >flame, I just want to know.)

   The Associated Press Top Ten Teams and their Ranked Opponents
   =================================================================

   # APRank School         Rnk Opponents    Outcome
   -----------------------------------------------------------------
   6    3   Florida State    2 Miami           
			    13 Florida         
			    14 Virginia        
			    21 N.C. State      W
			    23 Ga Tech         
			    25 Clemson         W

   (Ranks are taken from the 28 Sep 92 AP Poll.)

   Well, what do ya think?


I think the # of tough opponents will change week by week, and possibly
differ a lot over the year.  Clemson, Ga Tech, NCSU look to be candidates to
drop out.  Florida, after getting smoked last night, is probably gone.
Michigan has Iowa, who I thought was ranked early on.  So they would have
counted before, but not now.  Not sure that it means anything other than:
yep, FSU hasn't scheduled a plate full of stiffs.

Bill
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From: randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Band censorship (was: Re: Stanford banned again)
Date: 1 Oct 92 17:07:01 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische) writes:

>I must reply to this.
>For the past year or two, the Athletic Department has required that the
>Stanford Band preview their planned field show before performing it so
>that the AD may censor it.  Personally, I find the idea repugnant.

I truly dislike the Stanford Band, but I dislike censorship even more.
A few years ago, the Cal Band was ready to do a halftime show
on the Civil War.  Some professor in the African-American studies
department saw the band carrying a Confederate flag, and called
the chancellor.  The band was told not to carry the flag, and not
to play "Dixie", which was a song planned for the show.  Although
the University of California technically cannot censor the band,
pressure from the chancellor forced last-minute changes to the show.
I suppose "political correctness" is more important than freedom
of speech and expression.

So, as much as I dislike the LSJUMB, I must agree with the
previous post.  The Stanford AD has no business censoring
the Stanford Band.  However, I and other fans who attend the
games can use our right to criticize the band when we find them
to be offensive.

I remember also one assistant Cal AD calling the band "just a
trapping" of the football game.  The high interest in marching
bands on the net, and at the games, shows pretty clearly
that bands are very important to a whole lot of fans.  It seems
that school spirit (and rivalry) is more often directed at
the bands than at the football teams!


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From: ldr@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM (Dale Robbins)
Subject: Re: The NEW Penn State MNC Scenario!
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 16:05:51 GMT

In article <92279.183450MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu (mark rieker) writes:
>
>       Tennesee and Alabama - I guess they'll play each other, so at least
>       one of them won't be undefeated. Georgia is lookin good, and I can't
>       see either one of these teams going undefeated, and even if they do
>       who cares, we're already ahead of them in USA/CNN poll.
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
So.....
It's the AP poll that counts and Tenn., Texas A&M, and Ala. are all ahead of
Penn S.  This is the "official" Poll of the BCI.  

Dale Robbins
Go VOLS!!!!

>
>========================================================================
>  Mark Rieker        We are Penn State      Go Atlanta Braves!
>                                         1991 National League Champions!!
>
>  mjr127@psuvm.psu.edu ---- ricker@pacific.cmpe.psu.edu
>
> "Who cares about grades? Who cares about life? Who cares about me?....
>  Not me that's for sure!!" --  The Young Ones


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From: lauson@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Patrick W Lauson)
Subject: Re: msu DESTROYS uf -----> 30:6
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 16:48:22 GMT

In article <2OCT199201492422@rigel.tamu.edu> c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu writes:
>What a game! Heisman hopeful :), the UF QB threw 5 ints! It looked that he 
>just did not have a touch.
>
>MSU: the first and second string QBs went down, and the 3rd QB is the punter,
>#18. 
>I could not believe that uf can only manage two field goals. What a game!
>

Does anybody have any info on Sleepy Robinson?  I didn't get to see much
of the game (enough to see it was a blowout, and that I could watch 
my tape of the Simpson's instead).  I saw that he was out for the season.
What happened?  Can he be redshirted?  How heavily did the Dawgs rely
on him?  I had high hopes for MSU this season, but after losing their
star qb, I kinda have to reevaluate...  Still, they deserve to have a
top 20 ranking, just as Florida deserves no ranking at all....
I sorta followed MSU since they had Emory Ballard as coach and they never
amounted to crap.  Now they are fielding good football and basketball
teams.  What the hell?

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Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:25:29 EDT
From: Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The NEW Penn State MNC Scenario!

In article <92279.183450MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu>, mark rieker
<MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> says:

>       Face it 'cane fans its all over.  You barely escaped Arizona & got
>       lucky with Florida State (again).  With Medearis out O.J. is gonna
>       run wild.  The Orange bowl is cozy compared to 98,000 drunk Penn
                                                              ^^^^^
Speak for yourself, buddy.  REAL football fans don't -need- alcohol to act
like idiot banshees.

------------
Kurt Ludwick
------------
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From: sms35849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott M. Stortzum)
Subject: Marshall Faulk
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:02:35 GMT

Can someone please tell me his stats for the game over the weekend?

Thanks!

Scott

Glynn Milburn (Sp?) of Stanford really impressed me.  Maybe if Faulk
falters ?
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Aha! (was: Ohio State @ Northwestern)
Date: 4 Oct 92 21:11:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <1992Oct4.193158.5031@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) writes:
>
>     P.S. Looks like I need to turn up my anti-woofing. Two weeks ago, I posted
>that I thought the Buckeyes were going to have trouble at Camp Randall. That 
>didn't do the trick. So let me just say this: The Illini will destroy us. 
>Level us. Verduzco (did I spell that right?) is going to pass for 400 yards and
>run for another 100. Predicted final score: Illinois 140, OSU -7. (There -- 
>that oughta do it!)

Aha!  Somebody else is applying my anti-woofing technique.  That explains
why it is no longer working - two people can't use it at once.

Well, I'm giving up on it.  Purdue has already ruined their season in my
opinion.  And Steven, be careful what you ask for.  Cooper has still yet to
beat Illinois in five tries, and none of those Illinois teams were
world-beater (though they were all quite competent).
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big East Contest; Week 5 Tally
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:37:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

rowdy@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (robert.dieckmann) wrote:
}
}                                     Only 3 regular entries got the 5,
}mainly due to Maryland's upset of Pittsburgh.

Upset????  MIGHTY MARYLAND!!! of the AWESOME ACC!!! beating up 
a hapless Big Easy team is no upset, it's the natural order of
things.

}Our undisputed leader is Mark Mitchell.
}NOTE:  There is no truth to Timothy Pitts' rumor of a bonus
}for Big East Folks.  However, I am conidering an end-of-year
}penalty of -1 point for every negative Big East article
}written since February 1991.

Oops!

}Mark my words; Mitchell will not win this contest.

Probably not, but even with the penalty I should easily 
finish ahead of Bob "his words;" Dieckmann.

;->'s everywhere, unless your name is Bob.
-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
       "Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing 
         swords is no basis for a system of government!"
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