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From: sledge@kaa.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Thomas Bueschgens)
Subject: help with xtex on SYSVR3.2  (ISC) X11R4
Keywords: xtex
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:46:52 GMT

Hello out there,

have a problem while tryin' to compile Xtex on my 486-Box. Just managed to compile the hole stuff when I run into trouble linking it.


>       undefined                     first referenced
>       symbol                             in file
>      S_ISDIR                             file.o
>      wait3                               mark.o
>ld fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to xtex
>*** Error code 1

Has anyone managed it to compile and to link Xtex on SYSVR3.2?
If so, please send me an email, cause I'll like to see the real differences between Xtex and XDVI.

Thanks for _ANY_ help

    Thomas



Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)
Subject: Re: processing for X audio-files
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 08:33:10 GMT

In article <9208181735.AA28461@fee.unicamp.br>, jara@fee.unicamp.br (Marcelo Arturo Jara Perez) writes:

(It would make your postings significantly more readable if you would
break your lines, preferably shortly before 80 characters.  Lines
hundreds of characters long do impair readability.)

> I would appreciate it if any of you could tell me where I can get
> some information or software for processing X audio files (*.au).

X does not support audio in any real way; the only audio interface the
core protocol defines is the one XBell() uses: a simple beep.[%]
"X audio files" is, as far as I can tell, a term without a referent.

> e.g. filters, equalizers, effects, etc. compatible with X Audio Tool
> V3.  My environment is a SPARCstation 2 running SUN-OS 4.1.2, and
> OpenWindows r3.

*Sun* audio files, then.  (I don't know of anything like what you're
after.)

[%] Given hardware with fully functional audio output facilities, a
    server could implement the loudness, pitch, and duration change
    request and allow a client to do primitive single-voiced music with
    rapid ringing of very short bells of changing pitches.  I know of
    no server that goes this far, nor any client software to take
    advantage of the possibility.

					der Mouse

			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com (Tom McConnell)
Subject: Re: .login not read???
Originator: tmcconne@sedona
Reply-To: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com
Organization: Intel Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:08:08 GMT


In article <1992Aug27.153007.6715@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, tim@ial7.jsc.nasa.gov (Tim Sullivan) writes:
> 
> The .login file is not read when I start up X on my Silicon Graphics 
> using the 4.0.2 operating system running under X11R4.  This is not read
> on any of the Silicon Graphics we have.  The .xsession is read, but no 
> .login,  What am I doing wrong??? or what do I need to do???
> 
> 		Thanks for your help
> 
> 				tim@ial7.jsc.nasa.gov

  A matter of long discussion :)

From the FAQ:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject:  36)  Why isn't my PATH set when xdm runs my .xsession file?

        When xdm runs your .xsession it doesn't source your .cshrc or .login
files. You can set the path explicitly as you normally could for any SH script;
or you can place all environment-setting statements in a separate file and
source it from both the .xsession file and your shell configuration file; or,
if you set your PATH in your .cshrc file, the normal place, you can make your
.xsession have PATH set simply by making it a csh script, i.e. by starting
your .xsession file off with "#!/bin/csh".
        If this doesn't work, also try starting off with:
                #!/bin/sh
                # Reset path:
                PATH=`csh -c 'echo $PATH'` ; export PATH
----------------------------------------------------------------------

  To be sure what happens, you should look at the file xdm runs when starting a
session, something like /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession.

    Cheers,

    Tom McConnell
-- 
 Tom McConnell          |     Internet: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com
 Intel, Corp. C3-21     |     Phone: (602)-554-8229
 5000 W. Chandler Blvd. | The opinions expressed are my own. No one in 
 Chandler, AZ  85226    | their right mind would claim them.
From: bobb@agora.rain.com (Bob Beauchemin)
Subject: Xauthority file
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:01:39 GMT



  I'm probably missing something obvious but I have a question about the
.Xauthority file used for securing X servers.

  If XDM creates the .Xauthority file in the user's home directory at
login time, then this file exists on the machine that runs XDM (call this
Host A). The .Xauthority file is only readable by the user.
  Now, that user wishes to rlogin to another machine (Host B) and run
program FOO. The Xau library is linked with program FOO on Host B. The FOO
program is supposed to read the magic cookie from the .Xauthority file and
present it to the server for verification.
  But the FOO program (Host B) is using Xau, which does fread(). The
.Xauthority file is on Host A. How is this accomplished without the use of
NFS? Or is NFS a strict requirement?

Bob Beauchemin
bobb@agora.rain.com
From: kk@unisql.UUCP (Kerry Kimbrough)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: GUI Documentation Question
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:07:38 GMT
Organization: The Internet


   Does there exist a comprehensive GUI documentation technique?  

No. Nor does there exist a single comprehensive way to describe the design
of *any* kind of sw. This is a reflection of the fact that sw is a
multidimensional medium. If an elephant were made of sw, even if you were
not blind, you would need many kinds of pictures before you could
understand the whole beast. Fred Brooks has noted that this essence of sw
(among others) explains why there is no silver bullet (see IEEE Computer,
4/87).

Still, I think you're right that the spectrum of descriptions needed for a
GUI is even broader and less cohesive than it is for other kinds of sw.
Also, there are fewer established methodologies that you could compare to,
say, Structured Analysis or even OOD.

To me, it helps to recognize that GUI sw goes through the same design
stages as regular sw but may require specialized artifacts. That is, you
still have to do analysis (what must the GUI allow users accomplish?),
external design (what do users see and do?), and internal design (how is
the GUI constructed?), but using the following kind of artifacts.

What must the GUI allow users accomplish?
    1. User profiles. Who are they? What do they know? What makes their
       work hard or easy? How often do they use the system? What other
       systems do they use?

    2. UI concepts. What are the "things", or objects, that users apprehend
       when using the system? What relationships among these things must
       users see and know?

    3. UI tasks. What jobs can a user perform? What must a user input to
       perform a task? What effect must a user see when a task is done?
       What kinds of errors are possible (i.e. so we can figure out how to
       eliminate or minimize them)?
 
What do users see and do?
    1. Paper screen storyboard. This is a surprisingly fruitful artifact.
       Properly done, you can use it to let a user walk through most of the
       interactions and guess the rest.  Storyboards can't describe all of the
       fine-grained bits of the dialog, but this is a feature!  Others have
       tried ways of notating everything (state diagrams, event machines,
       etc.), but this is extremely hard and error-prone and when you're
       done you've got something that no one can actually use (to
       understand, to evaluate, to verify, to implement, etc.)

    2. Executable prototype. Just like a storyboard, only higher-fidelity
       and more dialog.
From: espiritu@cgi.com (Rex Espiritu)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: c i t lo i
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:55:00 GMT

The following message appears while in an xterm process: 'c i t lo i:'.
Anything typed after receiving this message exits the process.

It seems to happen mainly with an xterm process started with xrsh.
If someone logs into the Sun console, the 'c i t lo' prompt appears
in the xterm.  This is on an NCD X-terminal.

Another related problem has been happening when someone logs out from the Sun's
console.  The prompt from their process appears in the xterm (also running on
the Sun).

Anyone else ever seen this problem?  I'd appreciate any info/assistance you
could offer.  Please reply via e-mail to:	espiritu@cgi.com

Thanks in advance.

-- 
M. Rex Espiritu, Jr.                      Carnegie Group, Inc.
espiritu@cgi.com                          5 PPG Place
Voice: 412 642-6900 x233  FAX: -6906	  Pittsburgh, PA  15222
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: imp@solbourne.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: Motif Numbers
Keywords: motif
Organization: Solbourne, User Interface Group
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 01:12:17 GMT

In article <238@imatron.COM> jonm@imatron.COM (Jon Meyers) writes:
>- C++ based toolkits (OI) are generating interest
>- Watch out for MOOLIT!  It let's one compile the same(?)
>code for Motif or OpenLook.

OI has given its users both OPEN LOOK and Motif for at least three
years.  MOOLIT is much more recent than that.

Warner

-- 
Warner Losh		imp@Solbourne.COM
I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: hugh@netcom.com (John Ivermost)
Subject: problem with X on Sun IPX & greyscale mon
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 02:32:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

We recently replaced some IPCs with IPXs and were surprised when we ran
X and twm and suddenly moving windows around (both opaquely and not)
started suffering from missing refreshes.  Basically the outline would be
moved correctly, and the root window "exposed" by the move would be
updated correctly, but the contents of the window being moved, and its
scrollbars, title bars, etc., would not be refreshed until we did a
refresh of the entire display.  

Someone here suggested that perhaps this was a known bug - we are running
X11R5 but are not at the current patchlevel.  The monitors are what sun
calls /dev/cgsix0, although according to our man page for Xsun this
is a color monitor (and ours are greyscales).

When I did a wininfo on an xterm I noticed that the Visual for it
was set to PseudoColor - I wonder if this is correct.  

Another note: when running the NeWS server instead of just plain X this
problem does not occur (running NeWS with twm as the window manager).

The questions I'd like answered if possible are:
	- has anyone heard of this bug before?
	- if so, do you know of a fix?
	- even if you haven't heard of it, are you running X11R5 and
	twm on a Sparcstation IPX successfully?

I'd appreciate replies via email.  When and if we get over this I'll post
the answer(s).

Thanks in advance

Vernon Lee
hugh@netcom.com


Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: ekberg@asl.dl.nec.COM (Tom Ekberg)
Subject: bringing up X11R5 server
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:59:00 GMT


We are having trouble bringing up X11R5 for the first time.  The clients
compile fine.  The server compilation only gets warnings with the integer
operators and comparison operators needing to be cast under ANSI. (I think the
message was refering to the operands and not the operators.)

Configuration information:
	Sparc 2
	Solaris 2.0
	ANSI C compiler from Sun
	fixes 1-16 applied (17 doesn't seem to have any bearing on the problem)

Here is a script of the attempt to bring up the server:

Script started on Fri Aug 21 07:37:41 1992
# xinit

Setting TCP SO_DONTLINGER: Option not supported by protocol
InitOutput: can't register NBIO exit handler
PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_M}DsunKbdProc: Invalid argument

Fatal server error:
Can't set up kbd on fd 7

Bus Error - core dumped
# ^D
script done on Fri Aug 21 07:37:55 1992

X11R5 works just great for SunOs 4.1.1.

Has anyone been successful in bringing up X11R5 for the Solaris?  Any ideas
what should be done about these messages from the server?

  -- tom, ekberg@asl.dl.nec.com (214-518-3626)
From: worthen@nosc.mil (Richard H. Worthen)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: What's new in R6?
Keywords: X11R6
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:26:36 GMT
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA


What will be in X11R6? When will it be available?

Will code written for R5 run on R6?

I've heard talk about a "multi-media" flavor for X. Is this true? 
If so, will it be a part of R6? X12? 

Is VEX being resurected? If so, details please.

What is the status of the multi-threaded extension?

What plans (if any) are there for X12?

thanks in advance,

Rick Worthen, NRaD, Code 414, 619-553-3593
Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:15762 comp.windows.x.motif:5881
From: greg@thirdi.uucp (Greg Holmberg)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif
Subject: Q: menu mouse grabs while in a wait state
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:24:09 GMT
Reply-To: greg@thirdi.UUCP (Greg Holmberg)
Organization: Third Eye Software, Menlo Park, CA

I'm having a problem with mouse grabs that never get released in an
application I'm writing.  This causes the server to lock up until I
kill my application.

I'm using Motif and augmenting the translations on a scrolled window to
popup a menu:

    *searches.translations: #augment <Btn3Down>: MriPopupACT(*srchPUM)

where srchPUM is a Motif PopupMenu.  This action (part of WCL) does an
XmMenuPosition() and an XtManageChild().

The problem occurs when the application is in a busy state and the
user presses Btn3.  During a busy state, I'm ignoring mouse and
keyboard events:

    /* We have a task system.  vfBusy gets set false when a task finishes. */

    while(vfBusy) {
        static XEvent           event;

        XtAppNextEvent(XApp, &event);
	switch (event.type) {
	    case ButtonPress:
		/* fall through */
	    case KeyPress:
		Beep();
		/* fall through */
	    case MotionNotify:
		continue;
	    case ButtonRelease:
		/* fall through. */
	    default:
		XtDispatchEvent(&event);
	}
    }

If the user presses Btn3 at this time, the pointer changes to the
left_ptr (the Motif menu pointer) and the mouse is grabbed.  The menu
does not appear (this is good) but the mouse is never released (this is
bad).

I was hoping that the dispatching of ButtonRelease above would release
the grab, but it doesn't.

Does anyone know how to fix this problem, either by releasing the grab
right away or preventing it in the first place if in a wait state?

Thanks,
From: beig@dmi.ens.fr (Jacques Beigbeder)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: xterm unreadable with one <Meta>keystroke ?
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:06:35 GMT
Reply-To: beig@dmi.ens.fr
Organization: Ecole Normale Superieure, Paris, France

I'm not used enough with X to do the following: I want within
(MIT-)X-Windows to define a <meta>key which orders an xterm-window
to use the Unreadable font? This was an X10-feature useful to launch
batches and just see if they process without stopping.

How can I do this? I'll post a summary if valuable answers come.

-- 
Jacques Beigbeder                    | Internet: beig@ens.fr
Service de Prestations Informatiques |  Bitnet : beig@frulm63
Ecole Normale Superieure             |     Tel : (33-1) 44-32-37-96
F75230 Paris Cedex 05                |     Fax : (33-1) 44-32-20-80
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.motif,comp.windows.x.intrinsics,comp.windows.open-look
From: jth@world.std.com (Jon Heinly)
Subject: Putting together list of widgets
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:16:19 GMT

I'm trying to put together a comprehensive list of widgets and 
widget sets.  I'm especially interested in anything related to
multi-media.

These are already known about:
  Widget sets  
    Athena, Motif, OLIT, Xcu, Xs, Xw, Xo, Xc, PEXt
  Commercially available widgets
    Xtra, XRT/Graph, ICS databook
  Public Domain
    FWF, Wcl, Dirt, Xbae, Xaw3d, plotter, graph, Graph, dpslabel,
    XcRichText, vimage, file-requestor, Clock
  From books
    Asente/Swick, Young, Berlage, Jerry Smith
  Hiding in computers/corporations but yearn to be free
    ???
  
If you can add to the list, please reply to me.  I'll do a detailed 
post to the net (if enough interest), or mail individually.

Thanking you in advance...
Jon Heinly
jth@world.std.com

(Btw, Snow Crash rules.)

Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: "terry jones" <tjones@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Problems with getting Xt applications to see resources...
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:01:54 -0500

Perhaps I am just being stupid (wouldn't be the first time)
but I am unable to get either XAPPLRESDIR or XUSERFILESEARCHPATH
to work the way they are documented in the FAQ.

For instance, I set XUSERFILESEARCHPATH to ./%N.ad:$HOME/%T/%N
(and unset XAPPLRESDIR for what that's worth), put a file containing
resources into ./Fred.ad and run my application "Fred", but.. no resources
are seen. Ditto for a resource file in $HOME/app-defaults/Fred.

The resources are picked up just fine when I use xrdb -merge ./Fred.ad

This problem is not specific to applications I have written. I get the
same behavior when specifying resources for, say, xterm.

This is on X11R5, SUNOS 4.1.2, compiled with /bin/cc.

What am I doing wrong????

Thanks,
Terry Jones (terry@santafe.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
From: aardvark@nt1l.krl.com (Donald Koch)
Subject: Re: keysymdef.h, Why it is defined that way?
Keywords: keysym
Organization: Koch Research Labs
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 05:52:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.035254.14586@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, noname@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (  ) writes:
> In the "keysymdef.h" file, the data looks like this:
>    
> #define XK_space	0x020
> #define XK_exclam	0x021
>       ...                 ..
>       ...                 ..
>       ...                 ..
> #define XK_braceright	0x07d
> #define XK_asciitilde	0x07e
>                                 <---- please note the blank line here. 
> #define XK_nobreakspace	0x0a0
> #define XK_exclamdown	0x0a1
>       ...                 ..
>       ...                 ..
>   (and so on) 
>   
> ******  
> My question is:
>   
>     Is there any particular reason that jump the keysym code definition
> from 0x07e to 0x0a0? 
> ******
>   
> Kevin Feng, ckf@hover.att.com
I would guess that it is because the keysyms here correspond to the ASCII8
codes and the gap from 0x080 to 0x09f are non-printing (note that list also
starts at 0x020).
-- 
Don Koch
aardvark@nt1l.krl.com
From: rueggan@toz.buffalo.ny.us (rueggan])
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Visual Basic
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:22:21 GMT
Organization: The Tower of Zot - (716)691-3865

I am wondering... I see alot of HIGH END talk here about motif, and 
sorts.. is there anyone here who is a Visual basic programmer?  I would 
like to talk to someone that is.... mail me with a reply... I have some 
questions... if this is the wrong forum, then tell me and I will try to 
find another...

---------------------------------------------------------------------
rueggan@toz.buffalo.ny.us (rueggan])
-- Change this!
From: ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Ned Danieley)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: X11R5 and gcc 2.1, SunOS 4.1.1
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:48:57 GMT
Organization: Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory, Duke Univ. Med. Center, Durham, N.C.
Originator: ndd@bal1

can I compile X11R5 (with fixes 1-17 applied) using gcc 2.1 under
SunOS 4.1.1? I have *not* installed the ld patch referred to
in sun.cf:


/* You ALSO need this if you have Sun ld patch 100170-06 or later to 4.1.1 */
#if OSMajorVersion == 4 && (OSMinorVersion > 1 || (OSMinorVersion == 1 && OSTeenyVersion > 1))
#define SunPost411FCSLd   YES
#endif


when I try to make the shared libraries, I get a lot of

ld: assert pure-text failed

errors. I've applied the patches for X11 that came with gcc, and
I think everything else is set up right.

Sun 4/280, vanilla SunOS 4.1.1, gcc 2.1, R5 with fixes 1-17

-- 
Ned Danieley (ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu)
Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory
Box 3140, Duke University Medical Center
Durham, NC  27710   (919) 660-5111 or 660-5100
From: ebina@void.uiuc.edu (Eric Bina)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: Finding the installed colormap
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:10:26 GMT
Organization: NCSA

In article <1992Sep4.100336.19689@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes:
|> 
|> Now that I've just told you you can't do what you want for two
|> different reasons, I'll tell you how to do what you want.  Well, not
|> really, but I'll tell you how to do what you asked for.  It's called
|> XListInstalledColormaps.
|> 
|> 					der Mouse
|> 
|> 			    mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu

I know about, and have been using XListInstalledColormaps, but on the SGI it seems
to be worthless.

Has anyone out there ever grabbed a portion of an SGI screen and gotten the
colors right?  If so, how?

	Eric Bina
	ebina@ncsa.uiuc.edu
From: maf@dtek.chalmers.se (Martin Forssen)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: need help accessing upper 128 font chars
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:43:35 GMT
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden

etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon) writes:
>You can define certain key sequence translations that generate the
>characters you want for each widget that you want to use them or try
>compose.tar.Z from mit. There is supposed to be an updated server in
>the works that does it there but I am not sure when it will be
>available.

 I have developed a the of patches for the server that solves this problem
 (and some others) which I think you are talking about. They are available
 via ftp from export in the contrib directory as sunkbd.tar.Z or via
 email from me.

	/MaF


--
Martin Forssen: maf@dtek.chalmers.se or maf@math.chalmers.se
System administrator at math and dtek at Chalmers univ. of technology 
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.windows.open-look
From: neptune@icd.teradyne.com (Alan Steele)
Subject: X windows over phone lines for PCs
Reply-To: neptune@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:14:21 GMT

I've seen so many questions about this recently that I'm posting what I know,
hoping to avoid further duplicates...

Two of the many PC-based X server products support the NCD XRemote protocol,
which is what you need to run X windows over a phone line.  (Don't bother
to try SLIP or PPP, it's too slow.)

The two packages are VisionWare's XVision (available from Qualix, UniPress,
VisionWare, others) and the NCD PC-Xdivision's PC-XView (available directly
from NCD PC-Xdivision).

Both packages work reasonably well.  The XVision package doesn't crash as
often, but it doesn't come with the right OpenWindows fonts that we need, and
it's more painful to install and use.  The PC-XView package is easy to install
and use, but crashes a little too frequently, mostly when doing graphics-
intensive stuff like loading bitmaps.

Contact information:

I don't know the contact information for the U.S. office of VisionWare (they
are based in the U.K.), but you can get XVision from Qualix group, among others.
E-mail to info@qualix.com.

You can probably get information about PC-XView from support@gss.com.
Phone is (503) 641-2200.

-ams

Xref: sparky comp.windows.x:15739 comp.windows.x.apps:855