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From: john@makesys.com (John Turman)
Subject: Re: ND stops series w/Miami (was Re: Wash-ND)
Organization: Make Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:13:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.183036.17671@news.nd.edu> rszczerb@chagall.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>In article <63874@hydra.gatech.EDU> jb118@prism.gatech.EDU (Jeffrey N. Burch) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul20.154834.2085@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>>>
>>>Second, I wish oyu guys with the "Fighting Frenchmen" would knock it off!  
>>>True, Notre Dame was founded by a French priest.  And true too that their 
>>>school colors (blue and gold) are not exactly "Irish."  But let's face the 
>>>facts.  The school was made famous by Polish football players and a Sweedish 
>>>coach.  So just cut the French stuff, okay? :-)
>>>- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Hmmmm.  Known as Fighting Irish, founded by a Frenchman, made famous
>>by Polish football players, a famous Swedish coach, and now led by a 
>>guy named Holtz (that sounds German to me, though I can't be sure).
>>
>>Maybe we could call them the "Fighting Hodgepodge" instead.  Or maybe
>>the "Fighting Multi-nationals".
>>
>Come on ... let's be realistic about this.  I don't think that the team
>name has that much to do with the type of people who attend the
>University.  By your reasoning, Syracuse University would only
>have Protestants on the team (The Orangemen).

Does that mean that all us Canes fans are just a bunch of blowhards? Ah I see,
at least it's finally all on the table. Anyway the threads running here lately
show me one glaring thing. We're all bored stiff without college football!!
Enough rah rah ranting, let the games BEGIN, NOW DAMNIT.

John
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: Heisman Poll Update
Organization: UMCC
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:25:50 GMT

In article <cePPv5e00Uh7Q1JF5I@andrew.cmu.edu> Todd Harris Fletcher <tf0y+@andre
w.cmu.edu> writes:
>Here are the current standings in the Heisman Poll......
>
[poll results deleted]
>Eric Hunter, ?        Purdue               5 pts.
              QB
>Jeff Zgonina, ?       Purdue               1 pt.
               NG
Someone voted for a Nose Guard?  heh.
 
>
>Please continue to send in your votes and I will update this periodically.
>
>Make sure you send your top 3 picks!
>
>-Todd
>
>tf0y@andrew.cmu.edu
 
==================================================================
Steve Johnston                                Go Blue!
ssj@ais.org                              Webber, Rose & Co. 1993
Steve_Johnston@um.cc.umich.edu          NCAA Nat'l. Champs to be
Bluefront@HeroMud II
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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Beat by Notre Dame (and not on the field)
Organization: American Software Development Corp., W. Babylon, NY
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:23:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul16.224127.2268@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>John Leinaweaver writes:
>
>>What is meant by the marketability of college football?  What does anyone
>>else get from Notre Dame?  
>
>Consider the devaluation of the CFA football package when Notre Dame home games
>were removed from it.  It was considerably more the 1/64th of  the total worth.
>I'd say that is a dirrect measure of teh monitary worth of Notre Dame to the 
>marketability (on tv) of college football.

After Notre Dame signed that contract with NBC, ABC renogiated their
contract to be $25 million LESS than the original.  They went from
$160 million to $135 million.  That's a bit more than a 15% decrease.

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From: hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Pitt 1993 Schedule
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:02:53 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu


   The order form for 1992 Pitt season tickets contained a listing of
Pitt's 1993 schedule.  The 1993 schedule is as follows (home games in
CAPS):

Sept  4  at Southern Mississippi
Sept 11  SYRACUSE
Sept 18  OHIO STATE
Sept 25  LOUISVILLE
Oct   9  at Notre Dame
Oct  16  BOSTON COLLEGE
Oct  23  MIAMI
Oct  30  at West Virginia
Nov   6  VIRGINIA TECH
Nov  13  at Temple
Nov  20  at Rutgers

   This is a really exciting schedule, especially with all the regular 
bowl teams like Syracuse, OSU and Miami coming to Pittsburgh.  If this
is typical of future Pitt schedules, PSU will not be missed.

   Playing Rutgers for the last game of the season will seem a bit
strange at first, but I'm sure we'll eventually grow to greatly dislike
each other and turn this into a really ugly mean-spirited rivaly worthy of
a season finale. :-)  In this spirit, let me fling the first mud:

   Yo Rutgers!  Is it true that you nancy-boys are changing the name of your
mascot to the Toxic Avenger? :-) :-) :-)

Harry Bloomberg
hpb@vms.cis.pitt.edu 
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From: marley@seas.smu.edu (Elisabeth Anne Marley)
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Organization: School of Engineering and applied science; S.M.U.; Dallas, Tx
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:20:36 GMT

You can purchase beer at the Astrodome for University of Houston
football games.

Carl
From: godfrey@cs.washington.edu (Garr Godfrey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Shea Morenz: Longhorn or Blue Jay?
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:16:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <76641@ut-emx.uucp> jay@astro.as.utexas.edu (Jay Boisseau) writes:
>>> rules to play a professional sport and play a different sport at the
>
>
>Nope, it's not against the rules. The latest case of this was Deion Sanders,
>who had a $170,000 summer job playing single-A ball in the Yankees' (pretty
>sure it was the Yanks) organization before his final year of football.
>Bobby Bowden made smoe quote about Deion being the ony person on the team
>that drove a nicer than he drove.


James Clifford, a Washington Senior (LB?) is playing now for the
Mariners farm team (Bellingham Mariners single-A).  He had to give up
his scholarship, but is still eligible for football this year.


>
>The only problem with this scenario is that the football player has to
>be back at school by mid-August for 2-a-days, so he can't play a _full_
>season of professional baseball.
>
>Jay Boisseau
>Astronomy Dept.
>University of Texas at Austin


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From: jvbutera@grad00.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: On-Field College Mascots
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:05:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.205000.5944@spdc.ti.com> dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) writes:
>In article <2837@wrdis01.af.mil> demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee) writes:
>>tannerg@milton.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner) writes:
>>
>>Like most Nebraska faithful.  I like the Oklahoma Sooner-wagon better.
>>
>
>The Sooner Schooner, as we call it, is also the answer to the trivia question:
>What is the only school mascot to be penalized in college football?
>

I dunno about the Schooner.   When we played them in the '89 Citrus Bowl
the only thing I thought of when I saw it was the dog food ad using the
Chuck Wagon......

>
>    OOOO                                                        
>   O    O                                         |   Bill Dostalik
>   O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            |                
>   O  U O  U  National College Football Champions |  dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com
>    OOOO   U     1950 1955 1956 1974 1975 1985    |  dostalik@utdallas.edu  
>      U    U                                      | 
>       UUUU        Cale Gundy for Heisman!        | "I speak for everyone."  


-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers! 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: scott@ods.com (Scott Harper)
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:14:42 GMT

rszczerb@bronte.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:

: Everyone who's writing in says that there are no beer sales
: at their perspective college.  Are there any stadiums
: out there that Do serve beer?  Just curious.

The U of Houston plays its home games at the Astrodome, and the
last time I was there (to see the Aggies whup the Coogs) the
"Foam in the Dome" was flowing freely!  :')

-- 
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From: james.k.pinkelman.1@nd.edu (Jim Pinkelman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: I do, but do you..
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:36:16 GMT
     <MeQfH5600Uh_Q1PboT@andrew.cmu.edu> <1992Jul27.132736.6487@b24a.ingr.com>
     <1992Jul27.153126.29918@news.nd.edu>
Organization: UND
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2

Hate to burst your bubble, but ND has never played at "Joe Roby Stadium".
Orange Bowls are played at the "Orange Bowl" in Miami.  I was at the
ND-Colorado game a year and a half ago and I stood with about 1,000
ND Students for the entire game.

I would expect "REAL FOOTBALL FANS" to know in what stadium the Orange
Bowl is played.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kcastro@us.oracle.com
Subject: Re: nicknames revisited
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:40:12 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <14kj4hINNec2@agate.berkeley.edu>, elrod@ocf.berkeley.edu (Edward L. Rodriguez) writes:

[liberal bashing (by someone in berkeley??) deleted :)]

> itself?  Since the traditional Stanford emblem includes a block S with
> a tree imposed on it, someone decided to make their mascot a tree.
> So they are a team named after a color and represented by a dancing tree.

Edward, Edward, you've been misled.  That's a dancing pickle, not a dancing
tree!

kathy
From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Tulsa (was: Re: Computer Predictions for Bowl Match-ups)
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:22:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations

In article <1992Jul23.185516.14201@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks) writes:
>demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee) writes:
>
>
>>   THE DARRYL MARSEE I-A COLLEGE FOOTBALL RANKINGS TO BEGIN THE 1992 SEASON
>>                                                                             
>>       (Power ratings in parenthesis - ties broken by defensive rating)      
>>                                                                             
>>  4. MICHIGAN       (695)  40. TULSA          (592)  76. CENTRAL MICH   (535)
>>  5. OKLAHOMA       (689)  41. LOUISIANA ST   (591)  77. RICE           (534)
>> 18. COLORADO       (628)  54. PITTSBURGH     (570)  90. EASTERN MICH   (500)

...

>One more question - why is Tulsa ranked so low? I think most of us agree that
>they're possibly a lil better that last year. 

Maybe because QB T.J. Rubely graduated and RB Chris Hughley left for the
NFL.  But their replacements (Gus Frerotte and Ron Jackson) are supposed
to be experienced and plenty talented.  The only other thing I've heard
is that their LB corps lost a lot of key people.

Their schedule looks like this:

		1992			1991 result
Sept.  5	Houston			
Sept. 12	@Texas A&M		W 35-34
Sept. 19	Kansas			W 17-23
Sept. 26	@Oklahoma St.		W 13-7
Oct.  3		@Southern Miss		W 13-10
Oct. 10		SW Missouri St.		W 34-13
Oct. 17		@Louisville		W 40-0
Oct. 24		Memphis St.		W 33-28
Oct. 31		SW Louisiana		W 34-20
Nov.  7		UTEP			
Nov. 28		@Hawaii			

So they drop Miami (L 10-34), Ohio (W 45-13), and SMU (W 31-26) to pick
up Houston, UTEP, and Hawaii.  Lots of close games last year among their
remaining opponents -- A&M, Kansas, Southern Miss, and Memphis St.

>I'm getting ready - Sept.7 at Folsom - CU vs. CSU. a lil impatient, but ready.

That's always a fun one -- those mountain sheep always seem to have a
bug up their butts when they play us.  Have you heard that a local
sports promoter -- someone from old Nuggets' front office - is working
to get the CU-CSU game scheduled at Mile High stadium?  It won't happen
this year, but the '94 game site is listed as TBA.  I think they should
only play every couple of years anyway, and playing it in Denver would
be fun.
-- 
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Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
From: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: The Net Idiot (was Re: OU & Canes)
Date: 31 Jul 92 14:56:45 GMT
Reply-To: poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu (David Poore)
Organization: Florida State University

In article <1992Jul30.213715.23465@usho93.hou281.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde) writes:
>Ya know, John kinda brings a likeness of "alt.binaries.pictures" to our
>little humble r.s.f.c. group.  I come in and read off 12 articles in a

Well, it could be just the opportunity you need to learn how to edit you
local Kill file! Ya don't need to see the originals, the followups are
usually sufficient.

David Poore
poore@ds9.scri.fsu.edu
From: jpm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Mascots
Date: 23 Jul 92 20:59:16 -0500

The dumbest mascot I have seen personally is the mascot for the Akron Zips,
which happens to be Zippy the (Pinhead? no) Kangaroo.  Nothing more
intimidating than a boxing kangaroo on the sidelines, in my opinion.

As for the Gators, they used to have a steam-breathing mechanical alligator on
the sidelines that was a prop in some movie (Alligator ?), and it would spout
off whenever we scored. (Footage of this 'gator could be seen at the opening of
the TBS SEC game of the week a few years ago).  The problem was, the steam
machine worked sporadically.  They eventually junked it a few years back.
('87?). 
	Jeff Mejia         University of Florida   jpm@icbr.ifas.ufl.edu
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From: tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson)
Subject: Re: The Deserving Heisman?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:23:24 GMT

lavelle@aardvark.lerc.nasa.gov () writes:

>In article <Brqprw.Dw@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Todd Henderson) writes:
>>thartman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Timothy J Hartman) writes:
>>
>>>If I recall correctly, in Tim Brown's final regular season game against the 
>>>convicts, the Irish were shutout 28-0 and Mr. Brown did not have a single 
>>>catch.  Then, in the 1988 Cotton Bowl, he went after a Texas A&M player for 
>>>grabbing his towel off his uniform.  Definitely not the epitome of a Heisman
>>
>>What was better about that game was that a bunch of non-scholorship players,
>>i.e. the 12th man kickoff team, kept Tim in check as good as any team had
>>all year.
>>
>>I was there, it was great!
>>
>>Todd
>>tamu@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
>>

>I am definitely not a hard core Notre Dame fan, but...  If i remember
>correctly that towel was specially made for him by a friend for the game.
>I believe that one of those non-scholarship yahoos was taking a real

I was merely noting how much fun it was to watch a bunch of non-scholarship
players do what many better football teams had not been able to do.
Relatively contain Tim Brown.

The towel thing I'm not sure I think taking it was right or not.  However,
I can see how a 18-22 year old non-sch. player who thought he would
never be playing college ball would certainly want a trophy from the Heisman
Trophy winner.  Kind of a chance in a life time thing, whether it was mannerly
or not.

I don't know how smart it was to wear a artical of clothing(I guess the towel
could be called that in this context) that meant something to you in a football
game.  That would be like wearing a lucky jersey that you mom made for you.
They are always getting torn up mudding, etc.  I would expect the same for a
towel that someone was wearing.

>cheap shot by tring to grap the towel.  Now that is the epitome of

Even if I don't agree with what happened I think cheap shot is a little strong,
I imagine cheap shots as people getting carried away on stretchers, or the
potential of that.

>unsportsman like play.  Will someone from Notre Dame more familiar with
>the incident please respond to clear up the story before i get
>flamed beyond belief

Todd

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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Yankee Conference
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:17:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando

In article <2808@wrdis01.af.mil> demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee) writes:
>>I am not happy with the Fighting Knights. The name just doesn't fit a
>>Florida team. So I'm changing it.
>>
>>Tony (go Tusslin' Armadillos) Travaglini
>>tech@cs.ucf.edu
>
>Nah, Armadillos should be a Texas team. 

Oh sure, give texas all the good team names. I suppose we could call
ourselves the Sweatin' Yankees or something. That is pretty Florida.
Whatever you want though Fighting Knights is wrong. That's for sure.

>Anyway, not only does Central
>Florida's nickname need changing, so does it's school name ... to the
>University of Florida in Orlando.  Then they could be the Invading
>Martians of UFO!  Or maybe the Astronauts, with Spaceman Spiff as 
>their mascot!
>                       ____                  
When the name was changed in the early 70's(?) this got a lot of
consideration. Until someone wrote down the acronym. They settled on
UCF. Years later this became an acronym for U Can't Finish. Either way
the poor bastard that has to ride around the field on his horse
dressed in Knights armor has got to want to change names as much as
I do. 

Tony (go Stinging Mosquitoes) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
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From: richter@mcc.com (Charlie Richter)
Subject: Re: Beer sales at college games
Keywords: Head for the mountains.
Organization: MCC, Austin, TX
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:28:15 GMT

> Beer is not sold at Doak Campbell Stadium in Tallahassee, nor at Ben Hill 
> Griffin Stadium at Florida Field in Gainesville.

What about at Georgia Tech?  A stadium named after Ulysses S. Grant
*has* to sell beer, doesn't it?
-- 
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   or finance.  It was confined to the market itself."   - WSJ, Oct. 31, 1929
From: demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: I-AA followers in rsfc
Date: 22 Jul 92 18:23:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: 1926CCSG Robins AFB

}Amen!  The Souuthern Conference is without a doubt head and shoulders over the
}rest of I-AA football.  I am so happy that Ga Southern is joining the league;
}it makes it even stronger.  I have said before, it is superior to the MAC and
}the Big West, especially with Ga Southern joining (IMHO, of course).
}
}The SoCon is a GREAT League.  Watching two of the upper division teams play is
}very entertaining, and well worth the cost of admission--which, BTW, is only a
}fraction of what you would pay to PARK at a lot of IA stadiums.

I think I-AA football is vastly underrated as an entertainment value.
While I grew up a fan of big-time I-A football (Michigan for my elementary
days, Tennessee for middle and high school), my only attendance of live
college football until I myself went to college were numerous games at 
my hometown college, Div I-AA Tennessee Tech.  They were a blast ... 
you could arrive 5 minutes before gametime and park right next to the
stadium (just don't park too close to the South endzone ... your
windshield might get busted by a PAT kick!), go to the game for a couple
of bucks (I think it's up to $4 now, all general admission), grab a
couple of hotdogs and a coke (no beer) for a buck, watch the Golden Eagle 
mascot ride around on his minibike (and do a few jumps over some brave
cheerleaders), and see some good solid football.  Now that I'm down here
in Middle Georgia, I'll have to go check out some games at Georgia
Southern (as well as up at dear old alma mater Georgia Tech).  It'll be
great to see GSU play the Southern Conference teams ... especially since
this year's schedule is soooo pathetic ... what happened?  Nobody wants
to play them anymore?  GSU plays one I-A team (@Georgia ... if there was
ever a time for them to finally beat a I-A team ...), five I-AA teams
(Florida A&M, @Furman, James Madison, Middle Tennessee State, and 
Youngstown State), and five (!) Division II teams (Valdosta State,
Savannah State, Jacksonville State, Mississippi College, and Troy
State).  Does anyone know why so many Div II teams?
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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: I-AA followers in rsfc
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:18:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: The Ohio State University

In article <2826@wrdis01.af.mil> demarsee@wrdis01.af.mil (Darryl Marsee) writes
:
>}Oh sure...  It's not too painful to watch I-AA football down here where
>}the inter-divisional games are sometimes actually interesting.  The
>}Southern Conference is chock full of fine football teams, like Furman,
>}The Citadel, Marshall, etc...
>
>And Georgia Southern, beginning next season.
>
>Darryl Marseee

Amen!  The Souuthern Conference is without a doubt head and shoulders over the
rest of I-AA football.  I am so happy that Ga Southern is joining the league;
it makes it even stronger.  I have said before, it is superior to the MAC and
the Big West, especially with Ga Southern joining (IMHO, of course).

The SoCon is a GREAT League.  Watching two of the upper division teams play is
very entertaining, and well worth the cost of admission--which, BTW, is only a
fraction of what you would pay to PARK at a lot of IA stadiums.

PDunn
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