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From:         LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU
Subject: Re: "Wimmin" "Womyn" - Historical Roots?
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>>>People who object to "men" inside "women."  (Waiting to hear Dan's response
>>>on this one...)
>>: Most men don't WANT to be inside any women who spell 'women' as 'womyn'....
>>: and yes, I know the feeling is mutual.....
>>Hear! Hear!
>
>>Steve Karlson
>
>Prediction: Big war starts because of comments like the ones in the
>above message.
>later
>
>alec

Now why on earth would you think that? It seems a fairly accurate statement of
facts to me.

Carolyn
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From:         "Don Moore (813) 974-4078 S/C 574-4078"
 <DBFABAK%CFRVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject:      Re: How to deliver a specimen

Tony, I understand your frustration (not in giving a specimen) but in not
wishing to announce to the whole waiting room why you are there.  Several
years ago I was taking pre-operation tests and the <lady> in charge was
asking <in a loud voice>  what each and every person was there for.  Well,
I no more wished to hear why other people were there (male and female) no
more than I wished to announce to all why I was there.  I found the
supervisor of the operation, and expressed my strong dissatisfaction of the
manner of questioning patients from across the room.  I got the procedure
changed, at least for that day.  Since then I have heard of an excellent
answer that I would have given that lady had I know it then:  The response
is:  "Maam, I am here to have a sex-change operation, and I want to make sure
      I get the same doctor that did yours!".

I missed a golden opportunity by not knowing that response beforehand.

                            Peace,
                                  Don
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In a previous article, karsten@netcom.com (karsten) says:

>ECZ5EJH%UCLAMVS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Emily Horning) writes:
>> I'm not at all familiar with usenet, so bear with me. Are all listservs avail-
>> able on usenet? I know words-l is, but I don't know about the others. Thanks!
>
>Netcom offers every newsgroup for which it has a feed.  Here are all the
>ones with listserv in the name:
>
The Freenet gets just about all of them too.  If your friend has telnet
access, tell him to get an account out here.  We get about 180 Bit.listserv.
groups, plus most of the others.  No rec.humor.oracle, though.<sigh>
bit.listserv.words-l is number 168.
>
>--karsten
>
>(we even get a few class newsgroups from Illinois!)
We have a dozen or so that are Freenet-only, which circulate among the
dozen or so Freenet systems.  There's also a K12 feed here; that's the ones
for grade school kids and all you high school teachers out there.:-)

-- 
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From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD%AKRONVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Things that make you go *sigh*
              18 Nov 1992 09:53:10 EST from <PRIMATE@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

Maybe there's just something about an approaching Thanksgiving that make
people think of headless fowl. :)

Evelyn
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From:         Agnes Kruchio <kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA>
Subject:      Re: FYFI
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              19, 92 10:58 pm

>
> Y O U
>
>          H A V E
>
>                   S U C C E E D E D
>
I'll say.
The sequence of the posts was mixed up, but the message got
through loud and clear. I had FINALLY cleared out my mailbox for the
first time in weeks, just to get *this* <---fill in the blank--->
stuff...
Ah, giggles, giggles ....<sigh>
Speaking of "obnoxious" - wonder how your medical namesake is doing at
the box office...
A
From: rsast11+@PITT.EDU (Rebecca S Altes)
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Date: 17 Nov 92 02:42:44 GMT
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          Doretta Hanschka <ak743@cleveland.freenet.EDU>

when i was younger, our family used to play a role playing game with
some close family friends, who we saw every week.  the game was called
top secret, in it you had to go on a spy mission and bring back a
certain hidden person.  we were never serious about it, my dad's alias
was snidely whiplash, and the m.o. of our friend kelly and i was to,
upon entering a room, immediately slit everyone's throats and staunch
the bleeding with gauze.  including on one occasion, the throat of the
very person we were supposed to rescue and take back with us....
my reason for this anecdote was that our dog also played the game with us,
under the alias of jack the sewer rat. we still call him that, and when
he can hear us, he answers to it, too....

                                     bekka <rsast11+@pitt.edu>
From: jthomas@netsys.com (Jim Thomas)
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Date: 20 Nov 92 04:48:00 GMT
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In article <9211181843.AA14151@Ra.MsState.Edu> Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU> writes:
>I was talking while ago with the person who teaches our Language and Culture
>course and asked her how she would explain ethnomethodology to a WORDS-L
>questioner.  She said I should probably have emphasized the methodology more.
>Ethnomethodology involves going into a different culture with no particular
>hypothesis to explore, gathering as much as you can of the language and
>context, and then looking through raw data for ideas.

This sounds like ethnography. Ethnomethodology is the study of the social
context of language. An arbitrary name given to the method of this type of
common language analysis by Garfinkel.
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Subject:      Re: Blast From The Past (Long!

>His name is Phil. MacGyver was a pseudonym. When he stopped using
>MacGyver and started using Phil, I started calling him MacPhil. Me.
>I was responsible. All by myself...

That's quite a bit of news!

Wow.

tushar
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Date: 16 Nov 92 20:48:37 GMT
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>Nice to meet you, Kish. Ever been stranded on an island with a feral hog?
>
>-abh

Feral pink piggy to roast in a <pinch>!  Better all the time.

-Mka
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From:         "Alec D. Plotkin" <185422285@UCIS.VILL.EDU>
Subject:      Wow!!
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Blast From The Past (Long!)
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On Mon, 16 Nov 1992, Doris Smith wrote:

> folks who were posting in the neighborhood of 400 messages?  And abh had
> under 10??? :-)

Go back and look at ah491d@panam. I had just gotten my account renamed to
harwell when that was printed. Semper fi.

-abh
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Subject:      Re: November 22

> In article <WORDS-L%92112208131358@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> ktw@MHWPA.ATT.COM writes:
> >Twenty-nine years.
>
> How long have you been psychic, Ken?
>
> G

Missing the allusions, today, old man?  JFK, Dallas, TX, 11/22/63.  We
played "Where Were You" a week or two ago, just thought I'd note the
date....

Ken
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Subject:      Re: FYFI

>The only problem, dear gilbert, is that the messages do not appear
>in order, nor do I think they've all managed to apepar on my screen:

So finally what was it that he said he had decided to do? My deduction
is that it had something to do with obnoxiousness.

>this not being Latin, I have no idea what you said!

The thing to be most thankful for is that it wasn't pig latin!

tushar
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Tercets For Triplets
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I see that *ts* not only read, but *understood* my clever
Tercets.  What's more, he *loved* them.  No end.  To my
amazement, that is.
--ggs (getting spawned on to greater <heights>....no, <flights>
of poetic fantasy....)
From: LEAH@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (leah)
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Date: 17 Nov 92 21:36:54 GMT
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I think that what one read into Portnoy that was missing from Duddy Kravitz, is
 the author's apparent perspective. The reason that people read Portnoy as they
 did is because Portnoy/Roth were seen as the same person, and were expressing
contempt for Jews who buy into the stereotypic view of Jews quite explicitly.
(At least Portnoy was, and pace Ken, I think Roth too, still is, despite his
book on his father's dying, which I did not find compassionate). Richler was
 not Kravitz, nor was he the superior and supercilious observer. He left others
 to interpret his character, and that makes or made the difference.
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Subject:      Re: Why You Shouldn't Clean Out Files When Tired

Perhaps this is a good opportunity for some of us to update our
biographies.  That could be very interesting.

--
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(201)564-2866                   |       In every voice, in every ban,
Kenneth.Wolman@att.com          |       The mind-forg'd manacles I hear.
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>
> >Oh, and it pains me to admit it, but I agree with ggs...WW was the worst
> >movie ever ...I'd rather watch reruns of Lassie....
>
> I guess this movie is a prime example of what happens when people on the other
> side of the "Gap" try to grok the other side's humor.  I haven't seen the
> movie yet, but the Wayne's World skits on SNL are a scream.  The Dark Side
> skits are funny too, if you go for that kind of humor.  Some things seem to
> --
>                 ###     Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###

If you mean, ruthie, <Generation> Gap, then you're up to here in it.
First of all, I don't believe in a generation gap.  Second, I think
the SNL Wayne's World skits are really funny.  The movie, however,
is way inferior and the format doesn't work in the extended version.
Borge is still as funny as he was when I saw him the first time forty
years ago.  Bob Hope never was funny, but Jack Benny was great.
where's your brother *ts* today?
--ggs
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Subject:      Peekaboo (Wackawacka)

                 '''
                (o o)
------------oOO--(_)--OOo-------------------------------------------



-K

-Mka
From: kruchio@EPAS.UTORONTO.CA (Agnes Kruchio)
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Date: 17 Nov 92 04:44:44 GMT
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              Nov 16, 92 9:15 pm

>
> > >Charles Michel Boucher         430           0           0    1,823,646.20
> >         Another Canadian.
>
> Right.  He's still active in the e-world.  I don't know why he abandoned
> us.

His account was terminated at UofAlta last spring. He's back on
Canada-l, now much subdued (I mean Michel - and, as a result, Canada-l).
Might have something to do with the new job he has acquired working for
the Canadian Parliament in Ottawa - an interesting job for someone
with widely proclaimed separatist sentiments. Go figure.
A.
From: dorisann@TENET.EDU (Doris Smith)
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OK, I looked again and found abh under another name, and she did post more
than ten.  abh by another name did still post the same.
aaarrrrggggghhhhh.

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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From:         Dan Lester <ALILESTE@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Establishment (was legislating)
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              14 Nov 1992 10:28:00 +1100 from <LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU>

On Sat, 14 Nov 1992 10:28:00 +1100 <LNCJB@WOMBAT.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU> said:
>I thought it meant 'someone in the habit of valuing all things as worthless'.
>That definition fits at least one on the list, but definitely not Rashmi.
>
  Well, not sure it even fits him....since he seems quite sure that his
OWN postings are brilliant and eternally valuable.....

dan
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From:         Rashmi <rashmi%Spl3.ECE.Drexel.EDU@COE.DREXEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Southern Culture on the Skids
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              Harwell" at Nov 19, 92 12:40 pm

> > So, though I like it here, I find it necessary to unsubscribe. Adieu. I
> > have enjoyed my brief exchanges with one or two of you. Anybody who
>
> Thing is, you don't have to read EVERY post to stay on the list.

Yup, stick around for a little while and you'll see that threads reappear
under other guises all the time.

Words-L, where all good threads are recycled.

rashmi
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From:         Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: "Wimmin" "Womyn" - Historical Roots?
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On Wed, 18 Nov 1992, Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik wrote:

> > Second question: Some people assume that such spellings are modern and
> > without historical basis, whereas others suggest historical roots.  Where do
> > these spellings come from?
>
> As I said, I've only seen them in these contexts and I believe they were
> coined within the last 20-30 years.  But I could be wrong.

First time I saw it was 1979.

Women's bookstore.

Go figure.

-abh
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It would be rather difficult for Mr. Murray to repeat history for
the Bears, Don.  Eddie Murray is kicker for the Detroit Lions;
the Bears' placekicker is Kevin Butler.

Steve Karlson

concerned that the Bears will be angry this Sunday
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Amusing fact
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> It <appears> that the whole time UGA was down, -ggs did nothing but sit
> around and mail messages to the list, waiting for a reply.
>
> I mean, <really>.
>
> -abh

I will *not* be put off by a <down> UGA....  I was, I admit, a little
surprised to see them all pop up at once, 36 hours after I posted them.
Though I have to admit it was impressive.  Gee Whiz What A Prolific
Person!  Am I back on the bwp list yet?  Are we still in Kansas?
--ggs
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From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: This should make you laughable
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>    I was just getting into the spirit of Recycling Week.       --brad

Remember the looping midgies?  That goes way back.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject:      Re: Eggspots in the fridge

*** Resending note of 11/20/92 03:51

>is way down with kids gone most of the time -- use it when you want -- hard
>to use the space for anything else ---

I find the slots convienent to store rolls of 35 mm film.
From: KIS100F%SMSVMA.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu (Kish)
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Subject: The Island
Date: 17 Nov 92 00:10:16 GMT
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Evelyn:

It was some 8pm ish, many many moons ago once, and I was driving rather
aimlessly, with seat belts on mind you, through the dry streets of
Riverside in California, when with a major intersection just a few
half-a-minutes away, my car went cold, very very cold, with all the
red lights in the car in unison with the red lights at the intersection,
a crowded intersection twas, but almost lazily then, my car which I
(this is true) had named Street Car Named Desire rolled to a gliding
stop and I was yes stranded in middle of the cutting intersection,
in middle of the nowhere, in middle of the island.

Regards, Kish.
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From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
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              19 Nov 1992 19:49:28 EST from <BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

>Here is my egg capacity :
>
>            oooooooooooo   Top tray: a dozen half-ovals
>            nnnnnnnnnnnn   Bottom tray: a dozen inverted u-shapes
>           --------------  Bar in front of the bottom tray

Would someone please at least comment on the design philosophy here?
I think it is reasonable to say that the bar is there to keep things
from falling out of the open end of those inverted u's.  But what are
the things one would store there that would require that shape?  If
the answer is extra-large eggs, I can accept that.

PLEASE RESPOND!  THIS IS TEARING ME ALL TO PIECES.

brad
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From:         gilbertsmith <N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: FYFI
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> I actually found it amusing, trying to guess what the next word was going to
> be..... especially when I guessed right.
>
> Carolyn

Ah Carolyn you sweetie you have a good <since> of humor, as Lob would
say.
--ggs
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Subject:      FYFI
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....my....
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In a previous article, "Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980 " (815) says:

>Green Bay chili combines chocolate, grease, salt, and garlic.
>(among other things)
>
>Maybe that's why the cheeseheads stand alone?
>
>Steve Karlson

It's why everyone else stands upwind, anyway!  Especially if Gren Bay
Chili contains beans.....
 
-- 
		###	Ruth Hanschka, the Nethead    ###
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From: BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
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Subject: Naive technical question
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:03:32 GMT
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Say I am holding a mail message in my mainframe storage space.  It
uses punctuation marks like the square brackets:  [TEXT]

I look at the message again and the square brackets have changed to
something else:  :TEXT:

I look at it yet again and the surrounding punctuation has disappeared:
 TEXT

I go back again, shaking my head, and the brackets have returned: [TEXT]

Is there an explanation for this phenomenon?

[brad]
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From:         Natalie Maynor <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: "Wimmin" "Womyn" - Historical Roots?
Comments: To: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

The final volume of OED Supplement, 1986, defines "wimmin" as a semi-
phonetic spelling of "women," adopted by some feminists.  I just thought
of another word that might be included in the "set" you asked about:
"herstory."
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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