HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lie6@ellis.uchicago.edu (Jonathan A. Lieberman)
Subject: Re: zterm & emacs
Reply-To: lie6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 07:18:37 GMT

The ESC key is used as the Meta Key.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: sgrenander@NASAMAIL.JPL.NASA.GOV (Sven Grenander)
Subject: Re: BrainMaker from Cal Sci Software. HELP.
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:39:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.111830.1@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au>, p_stampoul@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au writes:
> 
> Anyone heard anything about the release of
> BrainMaker, a neural-net application from
> California Scientific Software. I sent them
> my money, over 6 month ago, received a reply
> stating that the software was in beta-release
> and that I would receive a copy within a few weeks.
> I didn't hear anything else and about four weeks ago
> I wrote asking what had happened. No answer.
> Anyone know what's happening?
> THANKS in advance.
> P_STAMPOUL@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au
> 
> 
> 
I've been Beta testing BM since early last fall. Seems like the release date
keeps slipping, otherwise a very nice product (the Beta version).

You should be able to reach Al Petterson (CSS) at al%calsci@gvgpsa.gvg.tek.com and
he should be able to tell you what is going on.

-Sven
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: johnsone@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Erik A. Johnson)
Subject: Re: 7 new QuicKeys extensions
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:56:44 GMT

ai888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Flesher) writes:
>In a recent issue of TidBITS, mention was made of
>"seven new logic extensions" for QuicKeys that are
>part of the latest upgrade. Can anyone provide some
>details about their functions?

From the QuicKeys v2.1.2 addendum:

  The *CursorWait*, *MenuWait* and *WindowWait* extensions can be used to
  insert "intelligent pauses" into your Sequence QuicKeys.  The pause
  continues until the cursor changes or a certain menu item is selected
  or a specific window is brought to the front.

  The *ButtonAction*, *MenuDecision* and *WindowDecision* extensions are
  used to provide intelligence to your QuicKeys environment.  *ButtonAction*
  will cause QuicKeys to "jump" to another step in a running sequence or
  pause, depending on the status of a particular button, and "choose" which
  of two (previously created) QuicKeys shortcuts to run.  *MenuDecision*
  and *WindowDecision* also decide wich shortcuts to run, depending on the
  menu item selected or name of the front window.

  When *WhichPrinter* is use, it puts up a splash screen for one and a half
  seconds telling which printer driver is currently selected.  It can save
  you from printing to the LaserWriter when you intended to print to your
  FAX modem.

  The final new extension, *ProcessSwap*, is for System 7 users.  It lets
  you switch between applications the same way the Location extension lets
  you switch between folder locations.


Hope that helps!  (Note: I have no connection with CE Software; I only own
a copy of QuicKeys.)


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From: neilg@fraser.sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy)
Subject: Re: sending selection in Microphone II
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:33:40 GMT

davis@gauss.enet.dec.com (Peter Davis) writes:

>Am I missing something, or is there no easy way to send the currently selected
>text in Microphone II?  I select a word, and then I have to cut and paste it.
>Is there an easier or faster way?  Cutting and pasting takes several seconds.

 Try holding down the option key when pasting - it does a copy, then
paste. So command-option-c will send the selected text as though you'd
typed it in. Marginally quicker, but still glacial if the buffer is
full when you do it.

 Note: I'm still using MP version 3.0. Despite the exhortations on the
net, I haven't got around to upgrading to 4.0. It may be faster, but
I'm sans loot right now.

 - Neil K. (n_k_guy@sfu.ca)
From: meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: * Problems with JPEG Viewer 1.1
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:30:36 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

Howdy,
	I've been having problems with JPEG viewer 1.1 for the Mac.
It locks up when I try to load a PICT file I created using MediaGrabber
with my RasterOps 364. Both GIF Converter 2.2.10 and TeachText will load
those files, but JPEG locks up on me completely.
	With version 1.0, it locks up opening these files, but
dragging-and-dropping the files onto the JPEG viewer works fine! JPEG
viewer 1.1 will load 8bit PICTs perfectly as well as 24 bit PICTs
distributed with the program. Configuration:

Mac IIsi with 17 MB
QuickTime

This is my minimum configuration and it still doesn't work. Even with 32
bit addressing on AND off. Has anyone else had this problem?

=============================== Mike Gaines ============================
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: greeny@top.cis.syr.edu (J. S. Greenfield)
Subject: Re: Copyrights and piracy...
Organization: Syracuse University, CIS Dept.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 10:51:17 EDT

In article <22056@venera.isi.edu> jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes:
>>>
>>>Technically, you can do what you want with the stuff you tape off of
>>>your TV, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T DISTRIBUTE IT.
>>
>>I'm not at all convinced that this is true (from a legal standpoint).
>>(See my previous post.)  If you can provide statute or precedent supporting
>>this statement, I'd be interested in seeing it.
>>
>>You certainly can do *some* things, legally, such as "time shifting" of
>>programs.  It does not follow from this, however, that you can do *anything*
>>that is not commercial in nature.
>>
>
>Perhaps my emphasis was incomplete.  I was saying that YOU yourself
>can do what you will with your personal copy, so long as it doesn't
>become hundreds of other people's "personal" copy as well.  You can
>wallpaper your bedroom with screenshots of Simpsons stuff and you're
>probably OK, as long as it's personal use of a personal copy of a
>tape.

This is not what I am saying, however.  What I am saying is that, to the best
of my knowledge, you can *not* "do what you will with your personal copy, so
long as it doesn't become hundred's of other people's..."

For example, it is not clear to me that wallpapering your bedroom with
screenshots of the Simpson is OK.  In fact, I would guess that to do so
would be a copyright infringement.  (Of course, in the real world, nobody
is going to know/do a damn thing about it.)

The SC decision regarding videotaping copyrighted works off of TV or cable
broadcasts *specifically* said that time-shifting was a non-infringing use
of videotape.    It doesn't follow from that specific finding that *any*
personal use is legal.

One of these days I'll try to find some more concrete information on that
case.


-- 
J. S. Greenfield                                         greeny@top.cis.syr.edu
(I like to put 'greeny' here, 
but my d*mn system wants a 
*real* name!)                        "What's the difference between an orange?"
From: jaesyn@carson.u.washington.edu (Jason Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Request:  Mac Genealogy Program
Keywords: Genealogy  help request
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:55:33 GMT
Organization: University of Washington


	Hi there, I'm looking for a genealogy tracking program for the Mac,
and haven't been able to find a PD/SW version on any of the common archives.
I considered writing a simple HyperCard stack, but balked at how to take care
of step-relationships and re-marriages.  Would Excel 3.0 be adaptable for this?
I've never tried a database in it, and it would have to be able to print out
family trees in graphical format.  Does such a beast exist, or will I have to
pay for a commercial package?

Jason Smith
University of Washington
Physics/Math
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: lbgjd@rivm.nl (Josh Dorf)
Subject: Help! I'm new at this.
Organization: RIVM, Bilthoven, Netherlands
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:10:56 GMT

Hello, I finally figured out how to use this mail system. One question:
Is there a shareware program for connecting a mac through an ethernet
network to a vax, unix system? I have an account on the vax, and I'm
moving to a mac from a pc. Any ideas, would be most appreciated.
(also, how does it work, can I use the chooser? or what? also, what is
xWindows? is that shareware?) Thanks, Josh
Please e-mail me directly, I can't read all these messages.
(I would have ftp'd for this info, but we can't from the RIVM)
From: erh0362@tesla.njit.edu (Elliotte Rusty Harold)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Why does Word install resources in the System file?
Date: 25 Jul 92 00:17:23 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology


	What resources does Microsoft Word 5.0 install in the System file?  
What's their purpose?  Does this make it necessary to reinstall Word if you do 
a clean reinstall of the System (i.e. trash the System file before 
reinstalling)?  How about if you boot from a different system than the one on 
the partition you installed Word on?  Or will Word run without those resources 
being pres perhaps another one of Microsoft's pseudo-copy-protection mechanisms 
like personalizing the master disks?

Elliotte Rusty Harold		Department of Applied Mathematics
elharo@m.njit.edu		New Jersey Institute of Technology
erh0362@tesla.njit.edu		Newark, NJ 07103
From: jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: THINK C and C++ (was: C++ and other compilers)
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:17:58 GMT
Reply-To: jtgorman@cs.arizona.edu (J. Taggart Gorman)
Organization: Organization?  We don't need no steenking organization!
Discliamer: Upon my being captured or killed, my professors will
            disavow any knowledge of me, my statements, and/or
            my mission.


In article <1992Jul29.160516.5187@engage.pko.dec.com>,
Citizen davis@gauss.enet.dec.com (Peter Davis) writes :
>
>Think C does have some object-oriented extensions which are, I believe,
>compatible with C++.  From what I have heard, the next release of Think C will
>be C++.

  THINK C does have some OOP in it, but I have heard people call it C+ or
C+-.
  As for "real" C++ in a THINK program, from what I've heard over in c.s.m.p
is that THINK will release a C++ compiler, but it will be seperate from what
we now know as THINK C.  Maybe their C++ will show up in Bedrock, since that
is the replacement for MacApp, which uses C++.

|--------------------------------|    "If you were happy all of your life,
|      J. Taggart Gorman Jr.     |     you wouldn't be human - you'd be a
| jtgorman@caslon.cs.arizona.edu |     game show host."
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From: dwb@apple.com (David W. Berry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: MultiUser Helix
Date: 20 Jul 92 22:29:52 GMT
Organization: Greenwing Enterprises
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1

I have a copy of MultiUser Helix that I'd like to start using again.
Unfortunately, it doesn't really run on System 7.  (It shipped with
3.2 :-()

Does anybody know if Helix still exists, or if there is some other
support organization for this product?
From: amunn@linus.umd.edu (Alan Munn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Style changes in Word 4
Date: 22 Jul 92 04:39:15 GMT

I have a Word question which has been bothering me for a while.  I
have a bunch of styles defined based on Normal.  They don't involve
font changes, but involve various paragraph format changes.  Let's say
I have 5 styles, A, B, C, D and E.  If I go into Define All Styles and
change the font from Palatino to Times, only A, B and C change their
fonts; D and E don't, even though all 5 styles are defined as based on
Normal.  What's going on?

Alan
<amunn@umd5.umd.edu>


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From: aland@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Alan D.)
Subject: Re: Drag-drop deBinHex application saught
Reply-To: aland@cs.brandeis.edu
Organization: As little as possible
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:32:45 GMT

lka@tigger.cs.bham.ac.uk (Leonard Aye) writes:

>Is there a program which allows me to deBinHex a bunch of binhex files in
>one go, either by drag-drop or via a batch process.

On a Unix system, you can use Mcvert to deBinHex the files...  Version
1.6.5 (which I worked on) worked fine; version 1.70 and 1.80 were
released in the last few weeks, and (I felt) had some problems...

On the Mac, you can use DownLine (1.1.1) which will process the
contents of a folder in the background, or Dehqx which I believe
supports Drag & Drop.  Both should be available from
sumex-aim.stanford.edu or the local mirror archive site
(/info-mac/comm or /info-mac/util, most likely).

	-=Alan
From: lari@strauss.cs.unc.edu (Humayun Lari)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Macintosh Pascal Upgrade?
Keywords: Symantec, bugs, Pascal
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:55:53 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <1992Jul21.223725.622@massey.ac.nz> P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz writes:
>For some time we have been trying to find out SYMANTEC's official policy
>regarding Macintosh Pascal.  The NZ agents for SYMANTEC have been unable to
>obtain any definite information either.  We are currently running version 3.02,
>having obtained a patch, which adressed some bugs, but by no means all (see
>below).
>
>In case you didn't know, there are a couple of serious bugs in Macintosh
>Pascal:
>
>* Printing text > 1 page in length causes LaserWriters to hang

A year or so ago, I wrote a program for printing source files written in a
Pascal-like language, with THINK Pascal-inspired headers and boldfaced
keywords. (The language is being used at UNC, and its Macintosh implementation
printed files *incredibly* slowly.)

I don't know if it would help, but it shouldn't be terribly hard to modify the
program to recognize Pascal instead, so you could use it for printing purposes.
Of course, if you meant plain text rather than source, that would be easy.

Does anyone else need something of this sort?


Humayun Lari
(lari@cs.unc.edu)
From: los@coos.dartmouth.edu (Charles Dubuque)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.database
Subject: ThoughtPattern
Keywords: ThoughtPattern,database
Date: 30 Jul 92 12:45:25 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

I just shelled out the money for Thoughtpattern and should be receiving
it in a few weeks.

In the meantime, can anyone tell me how well it works for major
academic projects? I am about to start a year-long fellowship, and I
purchased the program for that purpose, but my last request for info
only generated two responses. From the demo version, tho', I think I'll
like it...

Thanx
Chuck
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: jdb1@kepler.unh.edu (Jonathan D Baumgartner)
Subject: Re: Drag-drop deBinHex application saught
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:22:31 GMT

In <Bs5wrn.DLw@acsu.buffalo.edu> v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne) writes:

>>Is there a program which allows me to deBinHex a bunch of binhex files in
>>one go, either by drag-drop or via a batch process.

>The utility is called DeHQX, surprisingly enough, and is in the sumex-aim.
>stanford.edu ftp site under info-mac/util.  However, even better is 

DownLine 1.1.1 is available there as well.  This lets you debinhex by
dragging and dropping, but also lets you select an input and output
folder.  Everything in the input folder will be de-binhexed, de-stuffed,
and de-packed automatically in the background.  It's very slick.

fish on ..

-- 
Jonathan D. Baumgartner         		         "D O T H  G R O O V E"
jdbaum@unh.edu
		 	 	      "It's just a matter of opinion" -- Primus
			  "I laughed 'til I stopped."  -- Tiny Toons Adventures

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ellens@bnr.ca (Chris Ellens)
Subject: Linked Word files -> Postscript
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:12:00 GMT

I have a series of linked Word 4 documents which I'd like to print to a
postscript file. In the Print dialog, I select the "Print to postscript
file"
item, and the "Print next file" check box. The first document goes into the
file, but all the rest head straight for the printer.

Is there any way to control this?

Chris Ellens             
ellens@bnr.ca
From: lari@jackson.cs.unc.edu (Humayun Lari)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Macintosh Pascal Upgrade?
Keywords: Symantec, bugs, Pascal
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:23:38 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <aland.711829851@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> aland@cs.brandeis.edu writes:
>lari@strauss.cs.unc.edu (Humayun Lari) writes:
[original article deleted]
>The only problem with this might be that Think Pascal source text is
>tokenized; the file does not just contain ASCII text.  Think Pascal
>4.0 comes with a desk accessory text editor which expands the
>tokenized text into normal ASCII.

True, but the original poster was having trouble with Macintosh Pascal (the
interpreter that was Think Pascal's predecessor). Of course, that might have
tokenized text too. :-) In any case, you don't have to use Think Pascal's
"Entire Document" feature when you save -- you can choose the "Text Only"
radio button instead, which is what I do, so that I can read my Pascal source
in a word processor (or even Think C!).

Humayun Lari
(lari@cs.unc.edu)


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ai888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Flesher)
Subject: 7 new QuicKeys extensions
Reply-To: ai888@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Flesher)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 17:10:48 GMT


In a recent issue of TidBITS, mention was made of
"seven new logic extensions" for QuicKeys that are
part of the latest upgrade. Can anyone provide some
details about their functions? I'm not interested in the
other new components of the QuicKeys package
(Instant QuicKeys, SoftKeys, and QK Icons), so I'm
wondering whether these new extensions are worth
the cost of a rather pricey upgrade. Thanks.
From: ccc_susan@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: NUDIST and Law Dictionaries
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:58:20 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Does anyone have information on a software program for analysis of 
qualitative research data called, I think, NUDIST?

Also, searchable electronic copies of Law Dictionaries of definitions.
What kind of hardware would it require (eg CD-Rom) and how much? The only
information I have is "One US law dictionary is called  "Blacks" .  
 Another law dictionary is put out by Oxford Press."

Any pointers would be helpful (especially by email)

Susan Brown
Computer Consultant
School of Law
Universtiy of Waikato
Hamilton
New Zealand
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.apps:12603 comp.sys.mac.hardware:14412
From: mbcas@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (C.A.Strobel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Inits that would be nice for a powerBook
Date: 29 Jul 92 04:51:51 GMT
Organization: Flinders University

I know very little about it but Connetix (the memory dudes) have just 
released a package that does exactly what you are after - and more. The
catch of course it that it will cost you $$$!!

Hope this is of help,

Craig.
From: linley@ada.seas.ucla.edu (Bruce Linley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Musical OCR ???
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:57:55 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

Does anyone know if there exists an OCR program that can read sheet music
and save it in a format readable by Finale???
Thanx.
--
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From: cconstantine@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: WingZ version 2
Date: 24 Jul 92 09:06:41 -0700
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <BHANAFEE.92Jul23195510@deimos.ads.com>, bhanafee@deimos.ads.com (Brian Hanafee) writes:
> 
> In article <lkingsley-230792085948@lkingsley.crd.ge.com> lkingsley@crd.ge.com (Lorne J. Kingsley) writes:
>>[lots of stuff]
>>Wingz offered (and continues to offer) some unique features that Resolve
>>never will, i.e., DataLink (provides the ability to communicate with remote
>>databases via SQL).
> 
> Claris Resolve 1.1 supports DAL.
> 

WingZ is soon going to Version 2 according to a clip I read in MacWorld.  It
will boast most System 7 features (publish & subscribe, etc) as well as many
new enhancemences.  The article also stated that the HyperScripting languae is
being completely revamped to include only functions particular for spreadsheet
use.  It will release a separate product for HyperScript to developers.

Carl B. Constantine
CCONSTANTINE@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: More MacDraw Pro gripes
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:26:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <712555983.F00003@blkcat.UUCP>, Ladd.Morse@p804.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Ladd Morse) writes:
> 
> And I agree, the arrowhead deal on Draw Pro irks me, too.  

After umpteen versions of MacDraw they still don't have a font menu
that displays all of the fonts in the system! I can't understand how
Claris can be so woodenheaded. The darn thing is also WAYYYY too big!
(though it's not the only offender in that area)

Richard
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: Word_5_Sys_Resources_R-installing_Sys_7
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 17:35:55 GMT

  But if, hypothetically speaking, my system file got toasted because it was
sitting on a sector that went bad and I marked that sector bad, trashed the
remnants of the file, and re-installed sys7 from scratch, 

  THEN ... my Word 5 would also be toast because it would be missing
resources?

  Bogus.

  Ciaran.
From: chavey@jalapeno.cs.wisc.edu (Darrah Chavey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps
Subject: Re: Macintosh Pascal Upgrade?
Keywords: Symantec, bugs, Pascal
Date: 22 Jul 92 15:51:11 GMT
Organization: Beloit College, Beloit, Wisc.

In article <1992Jul21.223725.622@massey.ac.nz> P.Etheridge@massey.ac.nz writes:
>
>The Computer Science deparmtent here are currently using Mac Pascal for
>introductory courses.  One suggestion by SYMANTEC, via its NZ agents, is to
>upgrade to THINK Pascal, but the teaching staff feel this product is too
>complex for introductory courses.
>
>What I would like to know is the following:
> ...
>4) What compilers do other Computer Science departments at Universities use at
>introductory levels?
>

We use THINK Pascal, including our "liberal arts" programming course.  It
doesn't seem too hard for the students.  You have to explain the different
between a program and a project, but it just gives us an opportunity to talk
about the difference between source code and object code; which should be
discussed in an introductory course anyway.

-- Darrah Chavey
   Beloit College
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