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From: johnson@elec.uq.oz.au (Craig Johnson)
Subject: Churches in Germany?
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 07:01:50 GMT


Dear readers,

	A Christian friend of mine is going over to Germany
during the summer vacation (that's winter for you northern
hemisphere-ites), and it would be good to know the church
situation over there, so that he can assemble with the saints
of a Lord's day.  Not knowing any specifics, can anyone help
in terms of denominations (or non-denominations :-)) that
tend to be evangelical and faithful churches (preferably
reformed) that he might attend?

	If anyone can help, please post me personally, to
ensure I receive it.  Thanks for any help!

				In Christ,
				Craig Johnson
				johnson@s1.elec.uq.oz.au
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:38:20 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 11/5

"You are already clean because of the words I have spoken to you" (John 15:3).

"Christ died for the church to make it belong to God.  Christ used the word to
make the church clean ... He died so that the church could be pure and without
fault, with no evil or sin or any other wrong thing in it ... we are parts of
his body" (Ephesians 5:25-30).

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used by
permission.
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 16:43:34 -0500
From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Pelagian Controversy

I looked up some matters relating to the Pelagian controversy (including
Semi-Pelagianism).

While I appreciate Brad's posting saying that the church has condemned
Semi-Pelagianism, I suspect that Jesse's definition of Semi-Pelagianism
and ours are different.  Jesse probably  means that we are Semi-Pelagian
because we believe that man must cooperate with the grace of God.

The matter of predestination -- whether some are predestined to Hell,
and some to heaven despite whatever they do -- was first proposed in the
Hadrumetum monastery in North Africa in 427.  These monks read
Augustine's works, and, though Augustine is a Doctor of the church and a
great theologian, some of his writing could be misinterpreted to promote
wrong views.  A monk named Florus was accused of denying free will and
merit; another monk concluded that God does all and man nothing.

St. Augustine himself corrected them in two treatises, De Gratia et
Libero Arbitro and De Gratia et Coreptione.  A summary: "He who created
you without your cooperation will not save you without your cooperation"
(Sermon 169).  Hence Augustine is not the author of the doctrines of
Calvin or Luther or any of the other people who claim to teach
Augustinian doctrine.

Lucidius of Riez again declared that men were simply predestined to
heaven or hell no matter what they did, and he was arraigned at a
council at Arles in 474 which laid six anathemas on Predestinarianism.

Another canon of the Council of Orange against specifically refuted
Predestinarianism: "All the baptized, with Christ's help and
cooperation, can, if they wish, labor faithfully, and fulfill whatever
is necessary for salvation."

According to my Catholic history book, the following is
Semi-Pelagianism: ". . . men could and should begin the work of their
salvation by prayer.  This God expected man to do `of himself'; later
God could confer the grace necessary to complete the work of salvation.
There is no predestination: once grace has been granted, men can use it
to obtain final perseverance, or abuse it to damnation" (John Cassian).
Again, this was anathemized by the Council of Orange.

Eric
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From: nlt@gboro.glassboro.edu (N. L. Tinkham)
Subject: Re: A Vote For Morality
Summary: Dog parasites??
Organization: Computer Science Department, Rowan College of New Jersey
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:56:31 GMT

Michael Kline writes:

> In books by Dr. Day, Stanley Monteith, Dr. A. E. Wilder-Smith, they document
> all the health problems from the practices of being gay. They are affected
> in their immune system even if they don't have AIDS. They are susceptible
> to dog parasites.

Eh?  Being gay makes one more susceptible to dog parasites?  How?  What kind
of parasites -- fleas, ticks, worms, that sort of thing?  Do they mean just
gay men, or lesbians too?  Is it homosexual orientation, or specific sex acts,
or promiscuity that causes the susceptibility?

I can't imagine what the connection between sex (with humans) and parasites
would be.

_____________________________________________________________________________

                                              Nancy Tinkham
                                              nlt@gboro.glassboro.edu
From: ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM (Eric James Ewanco)
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Subject: Re: Whose will is dominant?
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:39:15 GMT
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Excerpts from christia: 12-Nov-92 Re: Whose will is dominant? Jesse
Carnes@LSUVM.BITNE (1054)

> Dear Eric ;

> Again sir, let us DEFINE our terms, as Rousseau said.

> The Bible indicates clearly that Man HAS a will.  Now, with that in
> place, we can see from you citation, that they would have to DECIDE
> whether to serve the Lord or to turn from Him.  Eh, Academic.

> However, their RESPONSIBILITY to obey did not necessarily imply ABILITY
> to do so.  If we still have the ABILITY to fully obey God as He defines
> his criterion -- perfect obedience -- then, WHY Christ? Was He, as some
> wrongly see it, merely a good example of love for us to immulate?

Or immolate, as the case may be ;-) Emulate, immolate, we do both ;-)

Now this is a horse of a different color.  It is one thing to say that
man is UNABLE to do good when he wills to.  It's quite another thing to
say that he is fundamentally unable to CHOOSE good, that his will is
flawed to such an extent that he is not only unable to do good, but even
unable to will it.

> Or was He more? Did He in fact become a Saviour fit to do so be EARNING
> a Righteousness in His OWN right while on Earth and then die as a sin
> substitute for all of the infractions of many?  Or, was He merely a
> martyr, in light that we STILL have what it takes to fully obey God? If
> we can TRULY WILL to do what is right, then WHY don't we?  Further, if
> we can will to do what is right by our "Free Wills" then was Christ, in
> fact, nothing more than a martyr, fit to be only pitied by us?

The question isn't can we "truly will" to do what is right.  We can't.
The question is, are our wills so destroyed that we cannot even steal a
glance at what is right, that we are wholly unable to will a response to
the grace of God?

We cannot do what is right by our own wills, but we can by our own will
respond to the enabling grace of God enough to accept him.
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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      CALL

Marty.  You said that the magazine/publication is free to college
students???? How can I get it?
Just wondering, because I'm most definately a pro-lifer.
Thanks for the interesting, and informative post...
"G"

 * <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:22:21 EST
From:         Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Before the Foundation of the World

ksb@santafe writes, "I have an infant godson who is going to be bap-
tized in the Catholic church soon, and his parents have indicated to
me that God will not know of this child's entry into the world until
after he has been baptized."  That is bizarre.  I am a lifelong
Catholic (just turned 54) and I have never heard of any such thing.
Assuming that ksb has reported accurately what the parents said, I
can't even think of what teaching the parents have garbled to come up
with something like that.  The only thing that comes to mind is "Many
will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your
name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles.?
Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you: Away from me, you
evildoers."  (Matt. 7:23-24)  But that clearly uses "knew" to refer
to a kind of relationship.  God is omniscient.  That means He knows
everything and about everyone.  He created the child and holds him,
along with the rest of the universe, in existence at every moment.
As for a biblical text that specifies that God's knowledge includes
each and every human being, there is none, nor is there any need for
one.  God knows everything.  That is enough.  There is no need to
specify that He knows every individual human being, and every indi-
vidual armadillo, and every individual petunia.  The text you proba-
bly are thinking of is Jer. 1:5  "Before I formed you in the womb I
knew you, before you were born I set you apart: I appointed you as a
prophet to the nations."  (Cf. Isa 49:1 ff.)  This refers explicitly
only to Jeremiah, but statement that God formed him in the womb
describes a particular instance of a general fact.

See also Eph. 1:4 "For he chose us before the creation of the world
to be holy and blameless in his sight."

Marty Helgesen
From: mayo@cs.utk.edu (Jane Wallace Mayo)
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Subject: Re: prayer request
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:17:02 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: mayo.cs.utk.edu

Over the last few months I have prayed faithfully for all of you in general
and for those who had prayer requests in particular.  Now I am asking for
your prayers for a dear friend in Christ who is in need.  Her mother had 
heart by-pass surgery this morning and needs prayers for her recovery.  Also,
please pray for her father as he is elderly and feels bad that he is not
able to care for his dear wife.  Their names are Peg and Bill Owens.  Thank
you in advance for your tender and loving response.

Wallace
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Jane Wallace Mayo       | Jesus, Redeemer, have mercy on me
mayo@cs.utk.edu         |    and set me free.
From: YST1@DCCCDBIT.BITNET (Yvette Traylor)
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Subject: Dark Majesty
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:43:53 GMT
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Hello,
Has anyone read the book: Dark Majesty? If so, what did you think
about it.

   Yvette Traylor     "We are His people and the sheep of his pasture."
   Dallas County Community College District             Psalm 100:3
   Computer Programmer/Analyst from Dallas - Texas
"I know worse things about myself that you will ever say about me." Anon
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:07:00 EST
From:         "DRCV06::GRAHAM" <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL>
Subject:      Desires of the dead.

Scott,

I think you perhaps misunderstand the parable of the rich man and Lazarus
and the point that was being made that dead men have no desires, plans or
dreams.  Ecc 9:5,6 and 12:1 surely state that, as relates to this world,
the dead are ignorant, out of contact, gone.  However, the context of the
parable from Luke 16 takes place entirely within the realms of eternity.
The rich man, in hell, could communicate with Abraham, in heaven.
Communicating to the earth is not even part of the parable.

Notice that, even in the parable, Lazarus couldn't be sent back to the
living.  That takes an act of Almighty God.

Dan Graham
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From:         Liz Moreau <EMOREAU@UMASSD.BITNET>
Subject:      Prayer Request

A couple of weeks ago I asked for prayer for my father-in-law, Lucien.
He fell and was taken to the hospital with a compressed fracture of
the spine.  He is healing quite nicely, but as a result of being laid
up can't walk anymore.  Tomorrow he is being moved to a rehabilitation
center for therapy.  He is quite anxious about the move, so please
keep him in your prayers.

Thanks!

                                        Liz
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From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Gospel
              13 Nov 1992 17:05:29 GMT from <rolfe@DSUVAX.DSU.EDU>

Dear Tim ;

Re-quote back to me where I have ever called you names.
Why don't you go ahead and send this to me.  OK?

Jesse
From: NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET (Jesse Carnes)
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Subject: Re: Whose will is dominant?
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:01:21 GMT
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Dear Carol ;

In context my dear, what is Paul referring to when he states that "...I can
do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me"?
Do WHAT THINGS, by definition?
First, Christians are not TOTALLY immune to performing sin, due to our bodies
not being Renewed, as our spirits are.
This is the only toe-hold for the devil and he uses it, by attempting to get
Christians to believe lies, rather than the Word of God in context.
Unbelievers are easy prey, for they do not have to be duped, they are fallen
creatures and are slaves to the devil, as Paul indicates in the book of Romans.



Jesse Carnes
From: GTHOMPSO@UA1VM.BITNET (gloria thompson)
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Subject: Re: Dark Majesty
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:16:41 GMT
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As of yet, I have not had read the book but I have gotten information from
Texe Marrs, Living Truth Ministries.  From the information I received, it
should be a most informative book.  I do plan on reading the book and then
I can better comment on it.  I don't know whether you are aware of this or
not but Texe Marrs has a newsletter ministry called Flashpoint.  It most
definitely is informing.  If you would like you can get in touch with the
ministry and they will gladly put you on their mailing list if you are not
on it.  The address is:    Texe Marrs
                           Living Truth Ministries
                           8104 Caisson Circle
                           Austin, Texas  78745
                           1-800-234-WORD
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 09:43:41 CST
From:         JRALLS@TRINITY.BITNET
Subject:      Re: more good news

On Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:03:12 SAT zane of dhahran said:
>Eric,
>
>    Which army were you in?  While adultery may be "illegal" in the military,
>if any thing it was encouraged when I was stationed abroad.  They made it as
>difficult as possible for me even to bring my wife and kids to my Korean
>duty station out of my own pocket.  And then after many months they lost the
>paperwork....  I had friends councelled by commanders to get abortions, I saw
>several many marriages destroyed through adultery while in the military but I
>never saw any charges brought against anyone.  We had strippers come to the
>NCO club for lunch.  We were verbally and physically propositioned everytime
>we left the base (you are physically propositioned when a woman comes up to you
>on the street and takes you by the arm trying to drag you back to her place).
>    I didn't see anything done by the military to close down the bars with
>their organized prostitution - or never even saw them made off limits.  You
>were considered wierd and a little crazy >not< to commit adultery.  The
>military certainly assumed everyone was out there - we all had to be checked
>for V.D. before we could return to the U.S. at the end of our tours.  You
>had to be there to see and believe some of the stuff that was going on.
>
>                                           peace in Christ, zane.

I was stationed in Korea in 76-77 and things were just as Zane has said.
Free condoms were everywhere, something one didn't see often back in the
70's. The Air Force didn't have separate briefings for men and women
(there weren't that many G.I. women in Korea) so I got to hear the
advice to my coworkers to remember the bar girl's badge number, not her
name, in case you got VD, and then the military police could find her and
bring her in for treatment. Getting VD was practically a given--only
on the 3rd time around would a guy get an Article 15, non-judicial
punishment.

I'm not (nor was I then) naive enough to think that everyone in the
military is going to be pure and chaste. Even a guy who wanted to be
would have had a difficult time being so under those circumstances.
I think that's the way things are in the military. They don't advertise
as a moral organization--they're interested in winning. I did find the
ethical situation in Korea interesting and unusual to say the least,
and just wanted to confirm Zane's observations.
                                        JoEllen (JRalls@Trinity.edu)

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From:         Terry Howard <TH6335@BROCK1P.BITNET>
Subject:      Before the Foundation

I believe the reference you are looking for is in John 17:24 For thou lovedst me
                    [B
Terry
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From:         Wolfgang Hutter <HUTTER@DULRUU51.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Jesus as a role model.

In a message of Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:56:17 GMT
Received on Mon,  9 Nov 92 21:05 N
(Jon Reid) <jmrg9881@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU> wrote:

> "DRCV06::GRAHAM" <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL> writes:
>
> >Ian, (I think it was Ian), could you provide scriptures that indicate that
> >Jesus was / is a role model for us?  I have heard this all my life, and
> >have problems with it, I'd like to see it in the Word.
>
> I'm not Ian, but I'll take a crack at an answer off the top of my head (my
> Bible's at home).
>
> How about: "As the Father sent me, so I am sending you."
> Or: "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons, preach the gospel,"
>     (which happened to be prominent parts of Jesus' ministry).

Other propositions:

CO1 11:1  Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
(or "imitators" as the NASB has it).

and one for Ian:

HEB 4:15  For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched
 with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted
 like as we are, yet without sin.

Wolfgang <><
From: GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@DRCVAX.AF.MIL (DRCV06::GRAHAM)
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Subject: WHAT WE OFFER GOD?
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:22:00 GMT
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MICHAEL, I DON'T THINK I UNEDERSTAND THE QUESTION YOU CLAIM YOU CANNOT GET
ANSWERED HERE.  IF YOU ARE ASKING WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER GOD, THE ANSWER,
LOUT AND RESOUNDING, IS NOTHING.

I'M SORRY, NOUR BOOK IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG.  WE ARE BORN INTO SIN, GUILTY OF
SIN, READY AND WILLING TO COMMIT SIN.  WE ARE INCAPABLE OF CHOOSING GOD, HE
MUST CHOOSE US.  WE HAVE N OTHING TO OFFER HIM UNTIL HE DOES A MIRACLE
WITHIN US, THEN WE CAN ONLY OFFER THAT WHICH HE HAS PLANTED IN THE FIRST
PLACE.

IF THAT DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION, RESTATE IT, PLEASE.

DAN GRAHAM
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From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Gospel
              13 Nov 1992 13:11:09 -0500 from <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>

Eric ;

Prove that the Jesuits are "rogues" within the RC church.
Also, please prove that my church members have been duped, since you make the
assertion.

By the way, the doctrinal works by the Jesuits were OFFICIAL Catholic works.


Jesse
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From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: WHAT WE OFFER GOD?
              10 Nov 1992 08:17:52 -0500 from <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>

Eric ;

I am saying that if the Father does not "FORCE" people into the kingdom, in
that they are MADE willing by a Sovereign God, they would    N E V E R   come
to Christ at all.
Unless God gives us the willingness, by changing our nature of hostility
toward Him, we would not in a million aeons choose to come to Christ.
This indicates that Regeneration PRECEEDS Faith in Christ.


Jesse Carnes
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:31:34 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject: Re: God/Allah...

Yes, I liked the movie very much, specially because it was really a familiar
movie (Adults, kids and even teenagers can see it).

And yes, Allah means God in arab (similar to EL in hebrew, it is even
pronounced alike).

Shalom,
Memo.
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:41:26 EDT
From: andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
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Subject: Re: RUSH - More Good News
 <1992Nov9.025105.18942@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
 <1992Nov9.134646.28590@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

In article <1992Nov9.134646.28590@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
jlaplant@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John R Laplante) says:
>
>In article <1992Nov9.025105.18942@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gjm11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.J.
>McCaughan) writes:
>>
>>In article <CHRISTIA%92110718243484@ASUACAD.BITNET>,         "Michael A.     "
>Kline
><MKLINE@VDH.BITNET> writes:
>
>
>>
>>>     "Tough job ahead for a man with no majority"
>>
>>He does have a majority; a large one. Or is this about Bush? I don't
>>understand.
>
>   HARDLY. Or at least it depends on where the majority is that you
>   are talking about. Nationally, Clinton DID NOT receive a majority
>   of the vote; only a plurality voted for him. More voted for
>   Bush and Perot combined. In other words, more people voted for
>  someone OTHER than Clinton than voted for him.

As George Will said the other day "he may have only 45% of the vote but he has
100% of the White House" There have been a total of 15 minority Presidents
including Truman,  Nixon and I believe Kennedy. Don't forget that in 1980
Reagan only received 50% of the vote, meaning by your logic, that half the
country didn't want him. It didn't effect his Presidency nor should it have.

In the UK, Thatcher's Tories never once got more than about 44% of the vote
but it certainly didn't weaken her administartion

>>>     California - Voters rejected by 58% to 42% a "Soak the Rich Plan"
>>> against business., The proposal included breaks for the less affluent.
>>> (Exactly what Bill Clinton proposes to do...)
>>>     and - Repealed a "Tax on Snacks", a part of 1991 revenue raising
>>> package.

I'll point out that the two intiatives concerning abortion resulted in huge
defeats for the "pro-life" side, so I'd suppose you'd argue that Clinton
has a strong mandate to persue a "pro-choice" agenda:)
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