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From: paw@coos.dartmouth.edu (Pat Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Stiff back problems (was help with stubborn horse)
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:15:24 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:

>Well, I tried Monty in a lesson Wednesday, after warming him up for 15
>minutes on the longe at trot and canter, then a long loose walk with
>me on him before the instructor came.  Although he wasn't at his
>worse, this time the longeing didn't do it for him, he was still very
>stiff and hollow in his back.  I checked before and after the ride for
>back pain and couldn't find anything.  I'm interested in trying side
>reins but want others' opinions on how to use them correctly and
>whether they are likely to help this horse, or hurt him.  He usually
>backs off the bit when he gets hollow and I wonder if he would accept
>side rein contact.  He likes a really steady contact on his mouth.  If
>I squeeze and release to try to get him to bring his head down, he
>just gets worse.  Perhaps with side reins he could trust the bit
>enough to accept it.

On the other hand, it may be that Monty's learned that he doesn't
_have_ to go round if he hollows enough - perhaps what you're getting
here is a new evasion.  If he's backing off the bit, kick him forward
into it.  The "steady contact" sounds (to me, from afar) as though he's
really *hanging* on your hands, in which case your squeezing will probably
make him _more_ hollow (since he's not really carrying himself, and you're 
breaking up his nice support).

Don't try to ride in side reins, though they're ok for lungeing.  Once
you convince Monty he's actually going to have to *work* (coming round
is a _lot_ of work for a horse that's used to going around hollow), you
won't need any artificial aids.  The side reins will help him find the 
correct position on the lunge, but aren't a miracle cure - they have to
be adjusted properly, and he has to lunge well to begin with, for starters.

Remember, you can't (correctly) "force" a horse's head down - roundness
must come from the hind end, though the back (you already know this, of
course).  Then too, it all takes time.  Perhaps you'll only get one correct
step today, and two tomorrow - eventually it'll add up.  Beware of the
"quick fix" - unlearning old habits and learning new ones _correctly_
takes time, but it's worth it in the end.

Good luck!

Pat
(and Red, who's coming round at 19!)
--
Pat Wilson
Systems Manager, Project NORTHSTAR
paw@northstar.dartmouth.edu
From: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Probable cause for the lump on my horses' neck
Date: 8 Sep 1992 18:23:58 GMT
Reply-To: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Jill Helms)
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Originator: jhelms@cns.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu


Thanks to everyone who wrote to  me about Bliss' lump in the region of his
throatlatch.  I called the vet the next morning and after a complete description
he said that it is almost certainly an enlarged lymph node "doing its job".  He
said that if it were to grow larger (baseball-sized, vs. the golf ball-size it is
now), or I were to notice any discharge from his nose or eyes, we would begin 
antibiotic therapy.  He also had me take his temperature (it was not elevated, even
in this hot climate).  Given those findings (he was eating well, no temp, no
discharge) the vet was confident that it was a lymph node enlarged but within normal limits.  Since that time, it has gotten slightly smaller (the vet said it would take
up to one month for the swelling to disappear) and he is still eating everything
in sight and no discharge.  WHEW!  I'm glad I have an observant trainer and a good
barn manager that were aware of the situation could help me evaluate things.  I
saved all of the posts in case another lump appears (fingers crossed)! . .
                                                                       < 

                                                                       `~'
Jill and Follow Your (slightly lumpy but healthy!) Bliss
From: nathan@charles.ucdavis.edu (Nathan Rollins)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Horse for Sale/Trade
Keywords: Missouri Fox Trotter
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:58:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bohemian Inebriation Association


 Damn! How infuriating... I've wanted a Fox Trotter for years
but I don't see any way in the world I could possibly trailer
one over to California from MA.... 
Anybody in California know of any local Fox Trotter ranches?

-Otter
From: dlc@gasco.com (Darci L. Chapman  x5930)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: FAQ-ADDRESSES (Endurance and Appaloosa)
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:15:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: gasco.1992Sep9.181516.21885
Organization: Northwest Natural Gas, Portland, OR


> ADDRESSES OF HORSE GROUPS

> American Endurance Ride Conference
> 701 High Street Suite 203, 
> Auburn, CA 95603. 
> Phone 916-823-2269. 

This number is a typo! :-) Try 916-823-2260 instead.

> NATRC (North American Trail Ride Conference)
> P.O. Box 20315
> El Cajon   CA   92021
> (619)  588-7245
> (Competitive Trail Riding)

This club has moved to (possibly just temporarily):

PO Box 13315
Palm Desert, CA 92255-3315
(619) 346-2872

I was told that phone forwarding for the previous number will work for 
another nine months.

Also, I'm looking for addresses for the following Appaloosa Clubs:

International Colored Appaloosa Assoc./Club (?? something like that)
American Appaloosa Association

Addresses and/or phone numbers would be greatly appreciated. Please email.
I will include this info in my upcoming summary. Thanks!

>>-Darci->


  Darci L. Chapman    \   Northwest Natural Gas   /   Honor Diversity
   X Window Systems    \    Portland, Oregon     /   Not Bigotry
    Consultant          \    dlc@gasco.com      /   Vote NO on Measure 9
 
"The outside of a horse is good for the inside of a man or a woman." W. Rogers
From: rhg@NCoast.ORG (Rich Garrett)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Mud Fever - Is there a cure?
Date: 13 Sep 92 11:14:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: NCoast.BuIKKF.HvL
Distribution: usa
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH


We live on 10 acres in Northern Ohio which has had more than its fair share 
of rain and mud this year.  For the past two years we have been fighting mud
fever during the "muddy seasons" (which seems like it has been all this year).

Yes, we keep the stalls clean and wash and dry the legs when comming in from
the paddock.  Treatments with various recommended substances don't seem to 
work (including vets suggestions and antibotic shots).  The shots do seem
to clear it up only for it to return again in a week or so.

With the bandwith of this group, I am asking for suggestions and experiences
that might be beneficial to make life a bit easier for our horses.  I should
point out that we primarly are outdoors riders that participate in 
fox hunting, trail riding, competitive riding and some hunter jumper classes.  
Mud fever is just not something I like having on my horses as it first is not
healthy and second shows that we may not be ideal owners - which I don't think
is true.

Any suggestions - please email to me - thank you all in advance.


Rich Garrett
 Devon, Maverick & Spot
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From: zjkc08@hou.amoco.com (Jane Carlin WWNV x2407 9.105)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Art Deco Baby
Keywords: For Sale
Date: 8 Sep 92 12:34:09 GMT
Reply-To: zjkc08@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco

Gorgeous Art Deco baby! 
Triple registered. 
Elegant bay and white markings. 
Perfect for Dressage, Eventing, Jumping.
Nominated for a number of futurities.  
Call Judy, (214) 287-5120  Dallas area  
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From: GC.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon)
Subject: Re: quarter sheets
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:58:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.164053.6455@cco.caltech.edu>,
deblev@nimoy.ipac.caltech.edu (Debbie Levine) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.145619.7054@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gwyn Gordon) writes:
>> ...
>>We used them [quarter sheets] like this:
>>
>>=damp chamois against the skin
>>=cotton rag on top of chammy
>>=quarter sheet
>>=rubber or gel pad
>>=saddle
>
>Why the damp chmamois and cotton rag?
>
>  Debbie


Actually, I think this is one of the coolest things I learned there:
the chammy keeps the saddle from slipping back -- absolutely!! A lot
of the horses were very sensitive to the girths (we used two
single-billet ones with no elastic) and so you couldn't afford
to girth tightly just to keep the saddle in place. Finally someone
showed me to take a soft piece of leather (it doesn't have to be
bigger than 8" or 10" square) and douse it in water, then wring it
out well.  After shaking the wrinkles out, I'd lay it smoothly over
the horse's back, right behind the withers.  This acts like velcro,
keeping the saddle from slipping back even an inch!!  I was
thoroughly amazed and an instant convert...although I have never,
ever seen anyone use this trick here in the states.  Why?  I don't
know.  It's a real back-saver and you could probably get it for free
at a shoe repair place (or buy a lot of it from that catalog someone
mentioned).  Oh, when it's taken off the horse it's warm and supple
-- then it dries hard as concrete.  But just wet it and squeeze it
again, and it gets all soft again.  Magic!

The deal with the cottons was this: my set of tack included saddle,
gel pad and quarter sheet. Each horse had its own girths. Every
day a huge stack of cottons was set out by the tack room, and you'd
take as many cottons as horses you were to ride (eh?). That is, you
used a fresh cotton for each horse, and they were washed every day.
That way, any fungus or skin condition hopefully wouldn't be spread
through the entire yard. The cottons were about 2' square, if I
remember correctly.

=gwyn
From: dabay@morse.cns.vt.edu (Marian Dabay)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Olympic tapes
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:36:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA

Just wanted to take a minute to thank Judith for her efforts to
share the Olympic tapes with everyone who is interested.  They
are great!!  I've been watching them almost non-stop since I
got them.  


Judith:
I just wanted to let you know that we got your tapes on Saturday
and will be mailing them to the next person on the list tomorrow 
or Friday.   Sorry for posting to the news group but I left your
address at home.  Some times I think I'd forget my head if it
weren't attached :*).

Marian Dabay



Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov (Patty Howell)
Subject: Re: Putting and End to Nipping/Biting
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:21:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.182542.10954@u.washington.edu> cbrand@cac.washington.edu (Carol Brand) writes:
>In article <4923@rosie.NeXT.COM> llyons@next.com (Liza Lyons) writes:
>>Hi, Everyone:
>>
>>however, while standing in cross ties.  He doesn't reach behind to catch me  
>>while I'm grooming or tacking - it only seems to happen when I'm standing in  
>>front of him trying to brush his face (he nips to the side towards my hands).   
>>BTW - he *likes* having his face brushed - will even drop his head down for  
>>better access.
>>
>
>HUMMM....
>
>I've never done this, but I heard it works well on colts who are nippy. 
>Take a large sewing needle and push it into a cork so that the pointy end
>sticks out about 1/4 of an inch. 
>[...]
>Personally, when a horse bites me, I lay into them like there is no
>tomorrow (I mean hard!).  This seems to get the message across fast
>enough and I usually don't have to do it more than once.  I don't think
>that you should worry about head-shyness.  Biting is a bigger problem,
>especially if the next person your horse bites isn't you.
>
>Good luck,
>
>-Carol

 Personally, I think this method bites the big one. Sounds a lot like
 the spiked nosebands and 3 inch spurs of old.

 My suggestion is to take a short riding crop with you the next time
 you groom him (carried discretely at your side) and lay into his
 *shoulder* the next time he nips. Then offer him another opportunity
 to screw up. Usually, they'll try one more time just to make sure.
 BTW I sold my TB mare to someone who was later absolutely amazed at
 how she lowered her head for grooming, clipping, bridling, etc. (actually,
 my instructor was at the sale and I never met the new owner, since
 I was away at college). We never told her that I was 4'9" and a 15.3 hand
 TB kindof got used to that :) Needless to say, my horses were never
 head shy.

 patty@alpha.larc.nasa.gov
From: gundy@equus.nas.nasa.gov (Karen L. Gundy-Burlet)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Ph.D. done (!) - now I've got time for riding!
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:12:18 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

Ruth,

CONGRATS on the Ph.D.!!!!!!!  Believe me, I know how nice it is to
finish the Ph.D. (last year) and have time for the real world...that
is, of course, horsebackriding and my 2 1/2 month old daughter Olivia
(although not necessarily in that order!).  Unfortunately, combining
them can be difficult because although T-Bar thinks Olivia smells
pretty good, Olivia is not too fond of flies and heat!

T-Bar really kept me sane during the Ph.D. and it was absolutely too
cute how he protected me while I was pregnant.  He would not trot with
me at all no matter how hard I asked after my balance changed too
much!  Now that my balance has (somewhat) returned, T-Bar just wants to
rip up the trails with me!  He has also remained amazingly supple and
responsive in the dressage arena despite the lack of (or perhaps
because of?) work at anything over a walk.

Anyway, good luck to all the Ph.D. candidates out there!!!  (How
you doing Debbie?)

(Dr.!) Karen, Marcel & Olivia, T-Bar,
and the feline crew: Taj, Magic and Boo.


--
Karen Gundy-Burlet          Computational Algorithms and Applications Branch
Research Scientist          MS 202A-1, NASA-Ames Research Center
gundy@equus.nas.nasa.gov    Moffett Field, CA  94035-1000
From: alanmoore@yang.earlham.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Can You Believe...
Date: 9 Sep 92 12:19:23 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <1992Sep9.031212.3411@infonode.ingr.com>, blythedr@infonode.ingr.com (Dennis Blythe) writes:
> this a few times so I am sure it is still a frightening experience 
> for her. He tied her to a post that was rotting, and of coarse my 
> mare did act up and pulled the post out of the ground. After the 

I would never tie a horse that I knew was going to have a fit when I tried to
work its feet (or do anything else), unless I was ABSOLUTELY positive it
couldn't get loose.  I think you are better off leaving them loose (with you
holding onto a long rein or something) rather than teaching them they can break
a halter, leadrope, or post.  I think the best solution is to have someone hold
the horse, but in this case I guess that wasn't possible?

> to mention to me that this hole was there, and I had not noticed it 
> there for at least a day. I can't imagine what would have happened if 
> my horse would have stepped in it.
>...
> this morning it was time to be reshoed and I was not able to be there 
> to watch them do it  ( Needed to be in the house w/ baby.) I got out my 
> binoculars only to see him injecting my horse with a tranquilizer. I 

Your ferrier is a bonehead in my opinion.  I've had to work with some really
s****y horses (well, not really, but I called them worse than that at the time)
and found that if you approach them calmly and don't get in a hurry, they can be
trained to accept what you are doing, but it usually takes more time than your
average vet/ferrier is willing to spend.

The fact that he wouldn't even tell you that he had injected the horse with some
drug is worse.  Last time I knew, drugs while shoeing is not SOP, and I should
think the owner should be consulted before it was done.

I don't use a ferrier (I play one on my mini-ranch, though).  Others that I have
talked to said they have a really hard time getting a reliable ferrier.  My
girlfriend has a really good one though (he's good with the horses and actually
listens to her suggestions, and shows up when he is supposed to).  Nope, won't
give out his name :-).

In short, I'd find another ferrier or go to school and learn how to do it
yourself.

Good luck,
Alan
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: mfey@cco.caltech.edu (Mark P. Fey)
Subject: Re: Why post with outside foreleg?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:01:29 GMT

regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:

>In article <1992Aug31.212631.28207@u.washington.edu> jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:
>>Hi there --
>>I have a friend who has just started taking riding lessons (she loves it!) 
>>and she asked me today why, when you're posting, you rise when the outside
>>foreleg goes forward.  I realized I didn't know.  I suppose rising with the

>As I've heard it explained, it means you are sitting when the inside hind
>leg is under the horse, supporting the horse, which balances the horse 
>better on corners.

>Of course, I've also been told that the Brits post on the other diagonal....

>Adrienne Regard

I have heard that posting on the outside diagonal (up when the horse's
outside foreleg is foreward) is to make the turns easier and the help
the horse balance. I have also been told that posting on the _inside_
diagonal works very well on horses that are more balanced and supple,
because it allows you to drive with your seat to encourage the horse 
to step under with it's inside hind leg. Reaching under with the 
inside hind leg is vital for dressage horses, in order to hold the
bend on turns and to perform shoulder-ins and such. I haven't actually
watched "better" riders to see if anyone actually does this...

Kate

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: pfau@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (lynn.r.pfau)
Subject: Re: Trucks/towing/trailering
Keywords: 2 more cents
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:59:53 GMT

OK, I'll throw in my experiences - limited tho they are.

When we were shopping for a trailer last year, a major objective
was to get something that we could pull with the family station
wagon (Volvo 740) which was already equipped to pull a boat.
We therefore settled on a Brenderup, 2 horse model with a tack
room - weight 1700 lbs empty. As it turned out, my husband
decided that he didn't want hay, tack, etc. in the back of
his car, so we ended up getting a Ford Explorer to pull
the trailer.
So far, this combination has worked out very well for us.
The 4 WD has come in very handy going to horse shows in the
spring, when the ground is muddy. 
The trailer pulls very nicely - you don't even know its
there most of the time. It is easy to hook up, and I can handle
the ramp all by myself. I do get a lot of strange looks when
I pull into a horse show, though - its a rather odd looking trailer.

I do mainly short trips (1 hour or less), and often pull 2 horses.
I really like driving the Explorer around town too - we have 2 small
kids, so needed a 4 door.
I think that when you trailer shop, you need to evaluate what
your needs are - if i could afford to have a third vehichle, i may
have chosen a truck (i do know people who have trucks/suburbans
just for towing). If Illinois had some hills, I may need something
more powerful, but hey, its pretty darn flat around here.

Happy hunting!
Lynn Pfau
AT&T
Naperville, Ill.
From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Thanks, Leigh!
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:58:50 GMT
Organization: Wright State University


Hi, group,  I thought I'd give you all an update on what's been happening.
Leigh very kindly lent me Star Signal, her semi-retired American Saddlebred
gelding.  He is now very happily being put back into condition by Mariah,
the oldest of the three girls who ride my horses.  I've retired Tar, the
old gelding, to an acquaintance's farm.  She needed a companion for her
competitive trail horse.  I'll keep an eye on how she treats him, if I'm
not satified, he'll come home.  Mariah is totally enthralled by Star, he's
really a gorgeous horse, all 16+ hands of him!
  
Tonight we put her littlest sister on him, Sue weighs only fifty pounds,
her feet don't even come past the top of the girth on my western saddle. 
She was trotting, backing and cantering him like a pro.  I can't wait for
show season to start next year, she will look so completely adorable on 
him that she will quite likely clean up in the pee wee classes!  

Only one problem, he's just too tall to fit into my horse trailer.  Looks
like one of my winter projects is going to be to raise the roof on it!

Sue
From: meridiem@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jill Engel)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: trucks?
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:48:31 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

I find all this discussion on towing vehicles interesting, since I will
most likely be getting one myself someday.  However, I have noticed that
everyone seems to have large, heavy duty trucks.  Yet, I know someone
where I lease that tows a two horse trailer and one horse with a Jeep
Cherokee.  I do not know if it has a special engine or anything (I am
sure it is a V6) but I wondered that no one mentioned a smaller vehicle.

Second, don't they do it differently in Europe, i.e. use sedan cars like
Volvos and Mercedes?  I seem to remember a brief discussion on this,
about their lighter trailers and such.  I am curious.  Any of our friends
across the pond have an opinion?  

							     Jill


*  Jill Engel (Anne Meridiem)  * "If the world were a logical place, *
* meridiem@lamar.colostate.edu *  men would ride side-saddle."       *
*                              *                    --Rita Mae Brown * 
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jeffrey.mallinson@canrem.com (jeffrey mallinson)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: diesel dodge pick up
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:58:50 GMT
Reply-To: "jeffrey mallinson" <jeffrey.mallinson@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

TO: cosborn@dante.nmsu.edu

CO>z  Newsgroup: rec.equestrian
CO>z Message-ID: <1992Sep10.180716.16896@nmsu.edu>
CO>z    Subject: Diesel Dodge Pick Up

CO> The Diesel Dodge with the Cummins Turbo Diesel is the superior
CO>pulling engine for trailers, especially with a 5 speed tranmission
CO>The gas mileage is excellent 26+ in town and 20 to 22+ with the
CO>trailer loaded. The Cummins Diesel is a true diesel not a gasoline
CO>engine converted to the diesel, as the the chevrolet 6.2 liter
CO>diesel and the ford diesel (the are both converted gas engines)

FYI the chevrolet and GMC, diesel engines USED to be converted gas car
engines. But at least 1990+, they are true truck diesels.

udttbd
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From: hon@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (laslo.varadi)
Subject: Re: Sending a "history" with a horse at sale????
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 17:31:12 GMT
Summary: Sales Agreement - buying a horse


 am considering buying a horse. She is a 10 year old TB mare.
Does any one have a suggestion for a sales agreement that I might use.
Thanks in advance .

Laslo Varadi