HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: topside leaks
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:53:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.125322.10107@macc.wisc.edu> dorl@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Michael (NMI) Dorl) writes:
>I've had some topside leaks around various fittings
>such as stanchion posts and through deck chain plates. 
>[considering raising mounts for stanchion bases to avoid them 
> getting soaked as water runs past]

Your stanchions should be well enough bedded that they can withstand
complete immersion for a very long time. Imagine a long passage in
moderate-to-strong winds, where the rail is under for, say, 3 days. If
your stanchions can't take this without leaking, your galley's gonna
be wet...

So---although raising the stanchion bases might be a good preventive
measure, it's not really the right answer to the problem. The right 
answer is to re-bed them, with the right bedding compound.
>
>Also, what are folks opinions on best caulk (brand 
>name) to use between stainless steel and fiber glass
>for stanchion bases?

The materials to be sealed are not particularly important, since both 
are pretty rigid. What you really want is (1) something you can remove
later when you need to rebed things [and if you think that day will never
come, you've not owned your boat long enough :-(] (2) something that can
flex while it's in there. If it's rigid, then when someone leans on the
stanchion [and someone *will*], the material will either crack or a gap
will open up or both, and in comes the water. I recommend Interlux
Boatyard Bedding Compound. Others prefer polysulfides like 3M101 and
Boatlife. I find these to be too adhesive for my tastes in a lot of
applications, and the interlux is incredibly easy to clean up. It
basically looks like a mix of sawdust or plastic dust and grease or oil.
It spreads on nicely with a spatula, and wipes clean afterwards. Hardens
up on the surface (a little bit) after a few days. 

Whatever you use, be careful to get the two surfaces clean and dry before
you apply it. Rubbing alcohol (or stove alcohol, if you have it aboard
already) turn out to work pretty well at this. Acetone is a little nasty
for my tastes. 

>
>[considering doing the same for jibsheet turning blocks]

Your turning blocks, which are probably next to the rail, should be
mounted on wood blocks which have limber holes, or on some molding in the
fiberglass that has limberhole-like shape molded in. Otherwise, they'll 
accumulate water on one side, which will eventually stain the wood, or
seep down below somehow. No reason to tempt fate...

>
>Replies by email please.

I figured it's of general enough interest that I'd post instead. 

-John


Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: JR00000 <JR00@UNB.CA>
Subject: LA FILLE D'OR (corrected)
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 18:04:20 GMT

I am trying to turn up information on a boat called

           LA FILLE D'OR

which was sold in San Francisco in, I think, 1982.

The Australian magazine SEA SPRAY carried an article on it between
1982 and 1984 which I would really like to see, but any help or
information at all would be much appreciated. Many thanks.

John R.

John Rowcroft
Department of Economics
University of New Brunswick
JR@UNB.CA
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From: kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell)
Subject: Re: Catalina 30 (WAS: Request for advice ... Cruising sailboats)
Reply-To: kell@mprgate.mpr.ca (Dave Kell)
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 18:08:17 GMT

In article <Bvosu1.E5o@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>, stefan@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Stefan Mochnacki) writes:
|> 
|> Nope. Like "all" manufacturers, belly-up. But then "Denis knows"
|> that resurrection is possible ... so maybe CS too may revive, 
|> just like C&C (thanks to Hong Kong money).
|> 
I haven't been to Toronto lately, but I heard that CS was suspending
their manufacturing operations, but not going out of business.  That
is, they would start manufacturing again when there was more demand.
I think I even heard they were still doing custom work.

Have they actually sold the manufacturing property in Brampton?

Inquiring minds want to know...

dK
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From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Like a teatray in the sky...)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: dingy bottoms
Date: 9 Oct 92 20:08:00 GMT
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct8.125919.16400@panix.com>, spencer@panix.com (David Spencer) writes...
>Buddy was either pulling the world's leg, or was engaging in a little
>gamesmanship. The detergent would be gone before he got to the start
>line. Although one does hear this from time to time ....

I thought the idea was to keep oil/dirt/marina crap off the bottom while
getting out of the harbour. Supposedly AC boats did this by putting on
detergent and letting it dry in several coats. by the way, I'm pretty
sure the racing rules make it illegal to drip substances continuously
during a race.


Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
>Here comes a jet ski.
>weuh weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH WEEUHH weeuhh weeuhh weeuhh weuh
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: olson30@netcom.com (John Sully)
Subject: Re: GPS
Keywords: Happy
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:10:46 GMT

advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel) writes:

>Re. Loran, mine dies around sunset. It's a pretty old set, but I thought that
>there was some effect with the ionosphere stabilizing that affected the Loran
>transmissions. Anyone else see this ?

Yes.  The set I depend(?) on the most usually seems to have trouble getting a 
fix right at sunset and shortly thereafter.  It seems better during the day
but has problems at night and in the early morning.

John
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From: "mike knox" <mike.knox@canrem.com>
Subject: test
Reply-To: "mike knox" <mike.knox@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:53:39 EST

Test message.

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From: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: GPS
Keywords: Happy
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 06:13:24 EDT
Reply-To: terry@gtm-inc.com (Terry Gerritsen)
Distribution: na
Organization: G.T.M. Incorporated, Kingston, ON (613) 546-3078
Content-Type: Text

keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins) writes:

> 
> 
> Terry,
> 
> Would you recommend GPS over Loran.
> 
> I'm new to this boating thing and have used
> neither GPS nor Loran, but will be acquiring
> one of these devices soon.  GPS is usually
> noted as superior to Loran.  And it sounds as if
> your happy.  Have you used Loran before??  Can
> you make a comparison??  Is GPS worth the extra
> money??
> 
> I don't plan to sail around the world, but sailing up
> to Block Island, Martha's Vineyard, Cape Cod, etc
> would be nice.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Keith

I also have the Loran, the only thing I found with the Loran was it
was not accurate eneogh, so many things could throw the Loran off.
The Loran can be bought for a lot less than the GPS, but in time I
am sure the GPS will be competive in price. The GPS has so much more
to offer and you will never regret buying one. I am not a salesman
for any manufacturing company that makes GPS, I just recommend it.
I received mail from a gentleman from Australia, who uses his GPS 
flying through the bush in Australia, and another gentleman who sails
to the Abacos in the Bahamas, they have the same feelings, it is the
best electronic equipment out there for the price.


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From: lauglin@ship.wimsey.bc.ca (Laughlin Hughes)
Sender: UUCP@ship.wimsey.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: sailing simulators
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 09:20:00 -0800

TV/From: ddwa_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (The Viceman)
  /Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

TV/I received a copy of Posey's Cold Cup Challenge (GCH), as well as
  /Gold Cup 2 (GC2), "through the grapevice", if you know what I mean.

TV/As a student, I am not willing to spend $55 for a game like this,
  /(especially since it's not copy protected) but as a sailor who has been
  /racing for 6 years, I'd say the program is a novelty, and great for
  /buffing up on your downwind Gybing during the winter.  As for the
  /other programs that come along with the package, I wouldn't know.

        Actually, I believe it *is* copy protected.  By law.  I'd
be pretty stupid not to know that software piracy isn't rampant,
but I'm still disappointed when I see msgs like this!

        Posey is a business in the marine trades like the rest,
and like the rest I suppose they're finding things tougher in
todays economic climate.  If Posey has a good product, but they
don't get support from the sailing community, they're sure as heck
not going to get it from the landlubbers.

        I'd be lying if I said I wasn't guilty of making the same
mistake in the past.

        I skipper an online system for sailors here in Toronto.
With over 450 sailors aboard here.  I don't ask the folks aboard
here to pay any fees for this, but I do hope to generate fees to
support the system from Business Members (companies in the marine
trades), and from SOFTWARE sales.  So I did *Buy* a number of
copies of the Dolphin simulator software, hoping to resell them.

        Those copies are still sitting on my shelf.  Believe me,
when you're trying to sell software to help support yourself,
if sheds a whole new light on software piracy.

        Laughlin Hughes
        Tornado KC234
        Skipper, Ship to Shore OIS, Toronto

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From: bennett@erich.triumf.ca (P.Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Help in choosing a VHF radio
Date: 13 Oct 1992 22:46 PDT
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca
Keywords: Radio VHF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <Bw325G.1tJ@hpuerca.atl.hp.com>, jab@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Alan Barrow) writes...
>In <13OCT199209143339@reg.triumf.ca> bennett@reg.triumf.ca (P.Bennett) writes:
> 
>>>Watch out for the "auto-16" feature. A friend of mine has a radio that
>>>switches back to 16 whenever he hangs up the mic. This is fine, except
>>>that he may want to monitor 9 instead...
> 
>>My Icom IC-M55 had the "auto-16" bug - I fixed it by not connecting the wire
>>from the mic. hanger to the radio.
> 
>I thought I read in the regs somewhere that you are supposed to monitor
>ch 16 whenever not in conversation on a working channel.
> 
Under Canadian rules:
"Ships voluntarily fitted with radiotelephone equipment should endeavour to 
keep watch on Ch. 16 to the greatest extent practicable when at sea."
(this applies to pleasure craft)

Ships required to carry VHF (commercial vessels) _must_ monitor Ch 16 except
when communicating on a working frequency.

I do normally monitor 16, but sometimes while using a working channel, I might
want to hang up the mic for a few minutes, but remain on the working channel. 
The "auto-16" bug can be very annoying in such cases.

Peter Bennett VE7CEI                | Vessels shall be deemed to be in sight
Internet: bennett@erich.triumf.ca   | of one another only when one can be
Bitnet:   bennett@triumfer          | observed visually from the other
TRIUMF, Vancouver, B.C., Canada     |                          ColRegs 3(k)

Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Kenwood Cup on ESPN
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 16:39:54 GMT


ESPN will broadcast a report on the Kenwood Cup regatta
tomorrow (10/14). I don't know the time.


Stefan
From: tarkkone@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lauri Tarkkonen)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Outboard Cuddy's
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:50:38 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In <1992Oct13.122919.23069@mlb.semi.harris.com> eriseman@dw3f.ess.harris.com (Eric Riseman) writes:
>How much bargaining goes on in the purchase of a Used Boat (I've noticed 
>that many boat owners seem to have an inflated opinion as to what there 
>boat is worth - especially boats that are 4 or 5 years old  or older!) ?  

In a market economy the byer can ask whatever he pleases and teh seller
might offer what he deemes suitable. The real price is somewhere there
between. The correct price is the one that triggers the transaction
of the boat and money. 

>Is there a rule of thumb for a "fair" offer on a used boat(other than what 
>the marketwill bear!) ?  Which type of  boat  is more likely to be a used 
>lemon(if that's a possibility), an I/O or an Outboard (and why)?

The boats are mostly individuals, the more they are used the more there
are differences depending on care and use and equipment. The price is not
affected by the boat only, it might depend on the reason of sale, if the
seller has an acute liquidity problem teh boat is cheaper than if the 
seller has time to find and better offer.

I am no expert on powerboats, but sometimes (sailing) boats are after
4 - 5 yers at their best. The previous owners has bought lots of nice
and expensive equipment the minor leaks in deck are sealed and all other
minor causes of nuisance are corrected, and if kept well nothing has
been really worn out. Some sailsmight need replacement, but that is an
easy task to do. The difference in price compared to a new one will
help you to buy several sets of them. In a motorboat one should look
at the condition of the engine. But if the maintenance has been proper,
it is hard to believe that there should be anything wrong with it.
Especially if it is a diesel, it should last in ordinary use forever.

- Lauri Tarkkonen
From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: What makes a boat a better pointer ??
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:31:16 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Annapolis, MD

In rec.boats, bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson) writes:
>In article <9210071606.AA28435@ssd.comm.mot.com> krueger@COMM.MOT.COM (Kevin Kr
>ueger) writes:
>>Over the weekend, I sailed a 31 ft. Hunter on Lake Michigan.  What I noticed
>>over two days of sailing is that the boat had better speed on close reaches
>>than on any other point of sail.  I know from windsurfing and basic sail
>>theory that beam or beam/broad reach should be the fastest point of sail.
>>So I am wondering if there are certain designs which warrant a better speed
>>when close reaching OR had we trimmed the sails incorrectly ?  Thanks for
>>any responses.
>
>My Alberg 30 is faster on a close reach in some conditions, particularly
>light air. My guess is that when she's a little more close-hauled she's
>generating more wind by dint of movement, i.e. moving at 5 knots into
>10 knots = 15 knots apparent. Also, heeling a moderate amount increases
>my LWL.

Many factors combine to determine a boat's fastest point of sail and
it often is quite different for various wind and sea conditions.

I'm certainly no expert, but the boat's own speed creating increased
relative wind is not one of them.  Such an effect will cause greater
wind drag on the boat.  An rare exception to this may be in instances
where an extremely flat sail may gain in overall performance with an
increased relative wind.

Waves--  Some boats excel in carrying their momentum on through a head
sea and may find closer points are faster.  These boats will generally
not be as good a performers in "surfing" conditions downwind.  Planing
hulls--  A sailboard is an example of the advantage of planing hulls.
For winds sufficient to permit planing, with its significantly lower
drag vs speed, it is possible, once on a plane, to sustain much higher
speeds off the wind as Kevin noted above.  High winds--  At wind speeds
which begin to burden the boat's sail carrying ability, the boat's
relative off-wind performance is enhanced.

I'm happy that such variations exist.  Otherwise we wouldn't be treated
with the beauty of a wide variety of rigs.  To me there are few things
more beautiful than a fine topsail schooner.

-- Bob

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir)
Subject: Re: Lattitude 38 Gaf
Organization: Stanford Exploration Project
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:54:56 GMT

Jeff Huntington writes:

	I thought someone else might have posted it by now.  Did anyone 
	else notice the major Gaf that Latitude 38 made this month in 
	the Letters section?

	Seems that someone wrote in to apologize publically for failing 
	to yeild to a leeward boat.  Latitude replies by offering their 
	three basic rules of the road, one of which is that the windward 
	boat has right of way.  This should really make it interesting 
	sailing around the bay for years to come.  :-)

But this was quite overshadowed by the wonderful BANG & GO photos which
included:

	(1) A J24 (?) surfing backwards

	(2) A Santa Cruz 70 being turned into a Santa Cruz 50

	(3) Numerous groundings right in front of the St Francis...
From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Four Winns #1
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:27:32 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.


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From: marc@watson.ibm.com (Marc Auslander)
Subject: Re: Repair of Standard Comm. Depth Sounder and Spead/Log
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:47:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center, Hawthorne, New York

In my experience, Standard is a reliable company to deal with.  For a
free estimate, how can you go wrong?

You might ask yourself why both these instruments have failed?  If the
answer is that they have been badly abused - for example submerged -
you will probably want to replace them.  But -

Are they both really getting power?  Are the cables from the
instruments to the transducers really connected and uncut?  Are the
transducers clear outside the hull.  (Enough growth on the bottom
could conceivably foul the speedo sender and the depth transducer).
--


Marc Auslander       (IBM)<marc@marc.watson.ibm.com>      914 784-6699
                     (Internet)<marc@watson.ibm.com>
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: psmith@dg-webo.rtp.dg.com (Peter Smith)
Subject: Re: Rhodes 19: Suckful or Excellent?
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:14:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

In article <Bw0p32.C9v.2@cs.cmu.edu> br@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>    My friend tells me he is considering buying a Rhodes 19.
>    ...
>	5. Has a small cuddy cabin with room for 2 sleeping bags

If he's planning to overnight on the boat, he should look at the
Mariner.  It's the same boat, but with a little more accomodation.
It has a V-berth that two very friendly people could use and space
for a porta-potty.
---
Peter Smith -- Data General Corp., Westboro, MA
Peter_Smith@dgc.ceo.dg.com or psmith@dg-webo.webo.dg.com
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From: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Huntington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Lattitude 38 Gaf
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:12:53 GMT
Reply-To: jeffh@nonsuch.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: nonsuch.ebay.sun.com

I thought someone else might have posted it by now.  Did anyone else notice the
major Gaf that Latitude 38 made this month in the Letters section?

Seems that someone wrote in to apologize publically for failing to yeild to
a leeward boat.  Latitude replies by offering their three basic rules of the
road, one of which is that the windward boat has right of way.  This should 
really make it interesting sailing around the bay for years to come.  :-)

Jeff Huntington
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: jab@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Alan Barrow)
Subject: Re: Help in choosing a VHF radio
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:20:04 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
Keywords: Radio VHF

In <13OCT199209143339@reg.triumf.ca> bennett@reg.triumf.ca (P.Bennett) writes:

>>Watch out for the "auto-16" feature. A friend of mine has a radio that
>>switches back to 16 whenever he hangs up the mic. This is fine, except
>>that he may want to monitor 9 instead...

>My Icom IC-M55 had the "auto-16" bug - I fixed it by not connecting the wire
>from the mic. hanger to the radio.

I thought I read in the regs somewhere that you are supposed to monitor
ch 16 whenever not in conversation on a working channel.

IE: not just a good idea, but an (unenforcable) regulation.

Am I confused, or just stupid?   :->

BTW, most offshore fisherman types in S Fla monitor 58 (or 59) to get away
from the chatter on 16. Somewhat defeats the purpose of 16. "vessel about
to run aground on xxxx, please call xxx"

I do scan when fishing. I scan 16, 22a, and 58. 22a has helped me a couple
of times when storms werein the area.

when overnighting (spell this camping, in my open boat), I always monitor 22a 
(while anchored), for this reason

Have fun!


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 jab@atl.hp.com     | ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched
                    | C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
 ..!gatech!kd4nc!   | All those moments will be lost in time -
         km4ba!alan | like tears in rain. Time to die.          Roy Batty