From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)
Subject: Phil Ronzone, the ba.politics sandlot bully
Summary: FOA means Phil gets the newsgroup to himself no one wants to put up with him
Organization: Society for Putting Up with Phil Ronzone
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:26:23 GMT

phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: >
madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes: >   >
Phil: >   >>

>    >>BTW - why haven't you admitted you were wrong on Michels yet?
>    >>He STILL isn't charged with anything. Hell, to my knowledge,
>    >>there isn't even any attempt on anyone's part to bring
>    >>anything before a grand jury. Of course, Maddi, I guess you
>    >>just want to have the hanging now and the trial later.
>    >>Anything other than to admit you were wrong.
>    >>
>    >Another loaded question. I haven't "admitted" being wrong
>    >because I was not wrong. You, however, were wrong.
>    >Repeatedly.
>
>O.K. you're not wrong. Someone forged your name to the post quoted below.
>Note how this forger makes blatant stupid assumptions, mis-asserting that
>I believe because Michels was not charged with rape that "nothing was going on".

Phil, if you're going to post quotes from me, you ought to at least
understand the conclusion I was making.  You look really stupid claiming
I said something I didn't say, and then including the evidence of
your error.

>Now I'm sure you get just as mad as I do at this kind of stupid non-thought.

I'm sure pretty amused by all the non-thoughts you post on this
newsgroup.  Don't you have anything better to do?  Do you realize
that you and Mr. Cramer have driven out almost all rational
discourse from ba.politics?  If this was your intent, congrats. 

Don't delude yourself into thinking that people's non-response
to your arguments means support.  People get tired of your
tirades and ranting and just put you int their kill files.
Numerous posts assert this, but you continue to believe that
it's your politics people can't stand.

Phil, I couldn't care less about your politics.  If you have a
good argument, with some decent facts to back them up, I am
always willing to listen.  But all you are is a bully with a
penchant for name-calling and taunts.  No one with any
patience would continue a discussion with you for long, because
you don't want to have a discussion.  You want a war.

>My whole point, and what started the whole thing, was that FOA can bring
>about fairly decent justice. Michels certainly was doing things along the
>lines of sexual harassment -- and certainly no rational person could think
>for a minute that I would claim nothing was happening -- that would be at
>odds with mu whole post.

This is the most sensible paragraph you have posted in this entire
thread.  It's too bad that once again you misstate the truth, because
at no time before did you ever aver that what Michels did was
wrong.  Instead you attacked the women who claimed his behavior
was over the edge.

I'm tired of your lies, Phil.  And I'm tired of your name-calling.
If you want to insult me, at least be accurate and call me something
I really am, like elitist, or condescending.  You didn't even
remember to call me condescending, you stupid idiot!


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