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From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Political Power (Re: New Topics)
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 08:15:51 GMT

In article <b3QW02gx2e6f01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> gkc00@quts.ccc.amdahl.com
writes:
>... how about Asian Americans gaining more political power in
>the Clinton government

Several weeks ago, (after the election that propelled 5 Japanese-Americans
and 1 other Oriental-American into Congress) I suggested that the
Japanese-American groups ask President-elect Clinton to nominate a
Japanese-American for the position of National Science Advisor.
I had suggested something similar about 3 years ago, but then (as now)
my suggestion fell on deaf ears.

Please note that the Japanese-Americans should _ask_, not _demand_, that
President-elect Clinton _consider_ selecting a Japanese-American.  The
extreme over-representation of Oriental-Americans in the sciences and
engineering justifies the appropriateness of this request.  (I suspect
that even the late Congressman Hayakawa would agree with me despite his
political conservatism.)

I am sure that there are a number of qualified Japanese-Americans who
could serve well as National Science Advisor.  President-elect Clinton
is now in the process of constructing his new cabinet and is probably
collecting names for the  "short" list of potential nominees.

I would be pleased to see a Japanese-American on that list.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe)
Subject: Re: Political Power (Re: New Topics)
Organization: Miners for a Heart of Gold
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 02:13:58 GMT

In article <1gdrkuINN6kj@morrow.stanford.edu> puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU
(Angel Puerta) writes:
>[incredible stupidity deleted to save bandwidth]
>You mean like those awful black people from the NAACP? Well, see they
>have to "demand" because they don't have a "pool of talent" like 
>Japanese-Americans. They could never be appointed by their own "wits".
>...

I presume that this is the standard of intellectual course in Mr. Puerta's
cultural group.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet ("Qu'est-ce que vous a cherchez...le bien par le mal...-Enigma")
Subject: Re: Draft FAQ
Reply-To: ks4816@albnyvms.bitnet
Organization: University of NY at Albany
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 18:33:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.024814.1464@idacom.hp.com>, russil@idacom.hp.com (Russil Wvong) writes:
>Somebody mentioned that this group could use an FAQ.  Here's one,
>written mostly for my own entertainment.  It starts off serious,
>but degenerates as it goes along.  Comments and additions welcome.
>
>--
>Frequently Asked Questions for soc.culture.asian.american (draft)
>

[helpful stuff deleted]

>"FOB" stands for "fresh off the boat" (an immigrant).  Derogatory.
  ^^^

Gotta keep up with the times!! It's "FOP: Fresh off the plane" now!!  8^)


>7.  What does "Chinese-cu" mean?
>
>It's a term invented by Dwight Joe to differentiate American-born Chinese
>from other Chinese.  Most Chinese are "Chinese-cu"; fully assimilated
>American-born Chinese are "Chinese-ge, but not Chinese-cu".  The "-cu"
>suffix refers to "culture".  "-ge" refers to "genetics", and "-ci" to
>"citizenship".
>
>Dwight believes that the "Chinese-cu" are responsible for crimes against
>humanity, and that Chinese culture should be destroyed.  (No, I'm not
>making this up.)
>
A distinction useful only to "he who wishes to purge the earth of chinese-cu".

-JS



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: ejohnfel@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu ()
Subject: Re: Blonds and AFs
Originator: ejohnfel@csws17.ic.sunysb.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:21:09 GMT


>In article <15030005@iftccu.boeing.com>, ladd@iftccu.boeing.com (Bob Ladd) writes:
>|>
>|>    I have noticed this Blonde CM - AF phenomonon also, both from
>|>    observations and through various acquaintances.  I have no
>|>    statistical data on this subject.  I do however, have data
>|>    on other aspects of WM/AF relationships.
>|> 
>|> 							   Bob Ladd

Richard Park Replies..
>I don't see this up here in Ontario. I don't recall seeing a blond male with
>a asian female. All the WM-AF couples I know are dark haired men. Maybe it
>is the weather.

My GF, who is Chinese has mentioned that she thinks Blond Germans are
attractive. She has also mention that all the American guys who seem to
actively seek to win her hand are all Jewish. No offense to the Jewish
population, but has anyone else noticed this phenomenon?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: bryant@neural.Kodak.COM (Steve Bryant)
Subject: Re: Political Power--Why the quotas?
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 19:29:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.052638.19343@news.columbia.edu>, dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina) writes:
>
>Roger, I think this has become more semantic than substantive.  I do
>not believe it unreasonable to assume that an employer will know what
>he wants in an employee.  It is that employer who ultimately
>determines the criteria.  I argue that, based on his perception, the
>employer should pick the best one from the crop, disregarding such
>matters as race.  Clinton has stated unambiguously that race is one of
>his criteria.  By suggesting he hire an Asian, you seem to agree that
>race is a legitimate criterion.  I disagree with the integrity of that
>agreement.

For a political position, "best" choice has to take into account 
factors such as race. If part of what you are trying to accomplish 
is racial harmony, race must be factored into the equation. Presently,
minorities are statistically under-represented in positions of real
political power. 

Getting back to who is best for a position, let us pursue a scenario:
Only the "best" candidates are chosen for the various cabinet
positions and quite by accident the entire cabinet is middle aged
white men. No thought was given to their race/sex what so ever. The 
political fall-out of this cabinet would be pandimonium. Should the
president have taken into account race/sex in his selections to have
avoided this situation? Most certainly.
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian-male stereotyping, how?
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:31:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Dec15.223103.24437
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1gl8udINNos6@male.EBay.Sun.COM> (defensio libertatis) writes:
>I really didn't know about these programs. I'm not the
>paranoid activist type who thinks there are racist 
>conspiracies lurking everywhere

	I am.

>Can anyone remember a "good guy" asian male in the movies or TV?
>I can think of "Sam the Coroner's Asst." in "Quincy" and 

	...which, as many folks know is the wrong way around; QUINCY was
borrowed freely from Thomas Noguchi, Coroner to the stars...

>of course "Mr. Sulu" in the old Star Trek.

	Jack Soo on BARNEY MILLER. Dennis Dun and his character on NIGHT CALLE.
Denise Kumagi's role on NIGHT COURT. Then, of course, Maggie Han has the
franchise on smartass Asian Babes.

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: daniel@asterix.uchicago.edu (Daniel Fu)
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Keywords: Asian-Americans
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:04:04 GMT

In <berthiau.724358901@iros1> berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca (Eva Chan)  Reply-To: bunny@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eva Chan) writes:
...
>After high school the same cliques were there, more or less.  But 
>this time I see cliques of Greek students, Middle East Students, 
>Hong Kong students, black students, etc.  It's also interesting to
>note that the Hong Kong students seem to really keep to themselves
>and not really associate a whole lot with the other students (at 
>least at BU's College of Engineering I saw this).  But I got to know
>people from most cliques.

What I want to know is: why are they all EE (electrical engineers)? :)
Some EE courses I took consisted of at least 75% Asian (American)
students.  Man did it feel weird to be in a majority!

____________________________________
Daniel Fu
              daniel@cs.uchicago.edu
From: cmc@cs.utexas.edu (Chi Ming Cheung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Against generalization about Chinese-cu parents
Date: 15 Dec 1992 16:23:35 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <1gbc8kINN1ci@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST701852@brownvm.brown.edu (Carole E Mah) writes:
	[stuff deleted]
>and in fact I have one loyal Aunt who still sends me christmas
>money in those nice little red envelopes, despite the fact
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	[stuff deleted]
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A little bit of Chinese tradition here:
Those little red envelopes are part of the celebration for the Chinese New
Year.  Boy, I really miss those!  I suppose your aunt sent the money earlier
to accomodate local customs.

--M.



Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: c60a-ee@danube.Berkeley.EDU (60a Class Account)
Subject: Re: This Interracial thingy?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 12:07:24 GMT

Apology went in wrong thread...stupid Pnews...
Sorry, Mr. Johnfelt for leaving out all the 't's in your name.
didn't do that on purpose, let me assure you.   Just TIRED.
From: john@jho.com (John Ho)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Hong Kong Students (Was: Re: Asian cliques. Why?)
Keywords: Asian-Americans
Date: 20 Dec 92 22:06:26 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Software Programming, Inc., Dallas, Texas USA

>>BTW, can anyone explain to me the phenomenon surrounding the students
>>from Hong Kong?  I seem to get the impression that they all have very
>>wealthy parents and can afford to drive around BMW's and Porsches
>>(really! there are usually at least 6 BMW's parked on one block 
>>on campus).  

Not all HK students come from a wealthy family.  There are those 
who come to the US on a one-way ticket with only a few hundred
dollars in their pocket.  
-- 
John Ho from Dallas, Texas USA. (john@jho.com)
From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian cliques. Why?
Keywords: Asian-Americans
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:44:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <1992Dec15.180526.8118@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> lam@popeye.comm.mot.com (Dan Lam) writes:
>2.  For those of us out of school, the chance of meeting AA is kinda
>slim (I am in the windy city not bay area).  So when I see other AA's
>around we feel kinda close.

This reminds me of a Japanese couple I met once.  They were living in Denver.
When I asked them how they had met, they told me they were the only two
Japanese people in Denver.

-- 
Els Withers                   email: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.mil
          phone: (410)267-3192 / fax: (410)267-4883
When orbiting particle-beam weapons are outlawed, only outlaws will have
orbiting particle-beam weapons.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: racism on campus and off: the police.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 11:32:40 GMT

In article <1gj6o2INN1du@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST701852@brownvm.brown.edu (carole e mah) writes:
>[police harasment stories deleted]
>  I Ask: What are racial relations like between Asian-Americans
>and the police on your campus (if you are a student, as most
>people seem to be)?  
There is absolutley no friction between campus police and
any of the student body, regardless of race here.

well the only friction is that we sometimes get our cars towed away 
when we part illegally on campus. Hey but the money goes towards 
scholarship funds, and I'd like to proudly say, I've contributed quite 
a bit of cash to this worthy cause. ;(

>If a white student were to
>beat up an Asian-American student because he hated asians,
>and the crime was provably racially motivated, what kind of a
>punishment could he expect to receive?
The guy would get charged with assault and kicked out of
school, no doubt about it.  

Case in point: there was a campaign promoting awareness against
date rape on campus.  Some immature students made fun of the
campaign with a poster at a football game, and to put it simply, 
they suffered for it.  They had to face expulsive, if they did
not issue a public apology with their names in print.  Either way
its a black mark on their reputation that I don't think they can live
down anytime soon.

I really find it surprising that you would have to ask such questions
as you have.  It's really doesnt help to dispel Canadian notions about
U.S. crime and racial problems.  Purhaps your example, is an exception
rather then a rule. Someone out there want to inform me?

Actually, in terms of campus safety etc. There isnt much of a
problem around here. I routinely walk around alone in the wee hours
of the morning/night. But then this is a campus town in Canada.
I wouldnt even beat a sweat even in Toronto (probably most dangerous
place in Canada, but considered free of crime by U.S. standards).
Not to say, I'm obivious to dangers.  Being a martial artist, I
do practice the "do and don't" as best as I know how.
Now that being said, our University has a program, where a pair
of students (there could be several pairs, I've only seen one pair
at a time) that patrol the campus in addition to the campus cops
that roam in their "tonka toys". These student volunteers do patrols
and escorts students (usually women) home, if they had to work late.
The patrols comprise of one male and one female student, and I assume
they screen the candidates fairly closely. I believe there are also
occasional city cops that cruise around the campus at night just to make
sure things are ok.


RT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang)
Subject: Re: Political Power--Why the quotas?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 01:05:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.110841.28798@news.columbia.edu> dnm9@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (David Neal Messina) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.162559.5808@u.washington.edu> gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
>>	Perhaps I am being obtuse here.
>>	I am suggesting that race has had a deleterious effect in the past.
>>This past effect has a present effect by preventing Asian Americans
>>from entering particular fields and from moving upwards in those fields.
>>This is known as the glass ceiling effect.
>>	Given that, how much integrity is there in a process that does
>>NOT take that into consideration?  You are NOT getting the best person
>>for the job.
>If a certain employer is racist, there's little you can do, excluding
>legal claims.  Because he's basing his decision on race, you're
>right, no integrity.  
>
>My feelings on the "glass ceiling": there are already laws against it
>in place, and so to the extent that these are effective, there is
>recourse.  Beyond that, there is nothing the government can do.

	Why not?  If it's out there, why does the government have to
accept it?  This in effect sanctions that type of behavior by the
government.

  The
>problem results from a tiny portion of the population; until they die
>or change their minds, we'll have to wait.

	I think that this behavior comes from SUBSTANTIALLY more than a
tiny fraction of the population (see, for example, the data on mortgage
lending, matched employment pairs, etc. The studies have flaws, but they
suggest that there are things going on out there that many people
are not comfortable with).

	And, again, this does NOT solve the problem of past discrimination,
which does persist and have ramifications on the present. Nobody doubts
that there was widespread discrimination in the past; yet, if that
discrimination distorts your candidate school, I would hardly call it a
meritocracy if you do not take that into account.

>Meanwhile, many people do prescribe to a meritocracy, so find them and
>be the best.

	May people THINK we operate under a meritocracy. However, the
problem is that there are flaws in the process.

-- 
Roger Tang, gwangung@u.washington.edu
Producer Emeritus, Asian Theatre at the UW
	"The definition of balls is for a non-singer to go karaoke singing
with the cast of a musical revue."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
From: fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty)
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Organization: JPL, Shuttle Imaging Radar Software Group
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:42:35 GMT


In article <71735@cup.portal.com>, Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:

A scientist you are not.

|>that HIV could infect over 1 billion people over the next century, he

1) The earth's population is currently increasing around 20% every 10 years.
   In a hundred years,the population could easily be 48 billion.  Assuming
   all of these people could be fed.

2) 1 billion people over the next century does not mean that they will
   all be alive in the year 2093.

|>He also says 85
|>percent of world infections are heterosexual, a number which has absolutely
|>no relavence to the epidemic as we know it in the US where non-IV het
|>AIDS is almost non-existent.

But it sure does have relavance to the epidemic as we know it in Brazil,
India, Thialand, and Africa.

Oh, but you dont live in any of those places.

--
Tim Fogarty
Sys Man and Sys Admin for the EGSE in the POCC at JSC for SRL-1, STS-59
FOGARTY@SIR-C.JPL.NASA.GOV
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.african.american,alt.politics.clinton
From: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Subject: Re: The Clinton Cabinet
Reply-To: burke@tss.com (Jim Burke)
Organization: Teknekron Software Systems. Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:17:52 GMT

In article <BzGJ4x.KK2@newcastle.ac.uk>, T.K.Hara@newcastle.ac.uk (T.K. Hara) writes:
|> 
|> CAN SOMEBODY SAY HOW AMERICAN, THE ASIAN-AMERICANS ARE ? WHEN DID THEY EMIGRATE 
|> TO AMERICA? 

In the U.S., we don't judge "how American" people are according to when
their ancestors immigrated here (except for a few blue-blooded upper crust
snob types).

|> TO WHAT EXTENT HAVE THEY INTERACTED WITH OTHER ETHNIC GROUPS IN 
|> AMERICA, FOR EXAMPLE IN MARRIAGE ETC.

Again, there is no requirement that a group intermarry in order to be
considered "real Americans".  Even with all our problems, we aren't quite
like the Germans yet.

|> THE DEFINITION OF ASIAN-AMERICAN IS 'RATHER GENERAL' IN A WAY AS WELL (IF YOU 
|> COMPARE TO WHO IS CALLED AFRICAN-AMERICAN).  

I'm not sure how you figure this.

|> IT WOULD ALSO BE WORTHWHILE TO HAVE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE INDIGINOUS 
|> 'ASIA-AMERICANS' IN AMERICA.

Technically, the only indiginous Ameriecans were in fact Asian-Americans.
Native Americans came to be on the North American continent as a result
of migration from Asia.  Other than these people, there is no such
thing as an "indiginous American".  

-- 
***********************************************************************
 Jim Burke	"Life is uncertain - eat dessert first!"
 Teknekron Software Systems		... burke@tss.com
 phone:(415) 617-2432			... uunet!tekbspa!burke
From: babar+@pitt.edu (Jonggu Moon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: "I'm an individual[tm]" again (was Re: Asian males aren't attractive?)
Date: 14 Dec 92 14:26:44 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <kko.2lel@terapin.com> kko@terapin.com (Kenneth Ko..) writes:
>>will not exist. Just a mix of "well , I'm one fourth Irish, two fifths
>>Basque and one third United_Nations_of_Pacifica"
>Hmmm, that makes you only 59/60 of a person.  You lost a 60th somewhere along
>your family tree there...

Well... there will be so much overcrowding in the future that
population pressures cause genetic drift to loose an average 1.7percent mass.

- jon

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From: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com (Elaine May)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,ca.politics,soc.motss
Subject: Re: More AIDS absurdity - 1Billion AIDS cases
Date: 16 Dec 1992 00:39:08 GMT
Organization: HP Corporate Engineering - Palo Alto, CA
Reply-To: may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpcesmi.ce.hp.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Goangshiuan Ying (sgsying@en.ecn.purdue.edu) wrote:
: In article <71735@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
: >As another example of how incredibly ignorant even the best experts
: >in the field can be, William Haseltine, cheif of the the division of
: >human retrovirology at Harvard U's Dana-Farber Cancer Institute expects
: >that HIV could infect over 1 billion people over the next century, he
: >told a Senate hearing. Now wait just one minute. That's one in 5, or a
: >20% rate out of a world of 5 billion people. 
In 1980, the world population was 4.5 billion.  In 1990 it is 5.5 billion.
If we can gain 1 billion people in 10 years, I don't doubt that we can
drop 1 billion people in 100 years.  Look at the infection rates of 
smallpox among native Americans in the 1700s & 1800s or bubonic plague
in 13th century Europe. 

: How can we do something about this Mr. Hu?  Aparently, he is living in his 
: own world and only believe what he want's to believe. 
Simple.  Kill files.  Best thing about news in my opinion.  Arguing with
people like A----- H- and C------ C----- is a waste of time & disk space.

--
Elaine May                               Hewlett-Packard Corporate Engineering
may@hpcesma.ce.hp.com		         Palo Alto, California
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american