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From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Date: Fri,  6 Nov 92 22:18:47 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Nov5.044320.3669@ra.msstate.edu>

>
[...]
God only knows why I'm involving myself in this conversation..
but at any rate...

>Why is it conservative white heterosexual males are not allowed to say
>anything anymore without being called racist, chauvinist, fascist, bigoted,
>homophobic, etc.?  It seems to be okay for the "liberals" to say whatever
>they want to, but don't let those white boys say anything.  Sheesh, the
>"evil white man" built this country and has given all of us the rights that
>we enjoy today.  I agree that there are a lot of things wrong with this

And he built it on the blood, sweat and tears of the black man,
for whose non-volunteered transport he built torturously painful
uncomfortable slave ships. Sit down and watch "Roots" sometime.
In fact I think you absolutely should. It's not fiction, pal.
And while the white man was busy doing that, he was also busy
taking possession of this continent from 
its indigenous inhabitants, the native American "Indians" to whom
he made territorial promises he never intented to keep, and who,
to this day, live in their native land as third-world citizens.
And let's not even bother discussing how he tamed the "Wild West" by 
throwing up shining steel rails. Well, he didn't exactly do it 
himself. A few hundred thousand imported Chinese worker-slaves
did most of the hard work. 
And though all of this might sound like ancient history, far from
it, it's still going on today. Isn't there some tall greenish
statue sitting in a harbor in New York to welcome those poor,
tired, huddled masses to a new land of freedom and opportunity?
Oh wait.. only Euro/White huddled masses need apply. If you're
from, say, Haiti and want in, you're an "economic" refugee, not
a "political" one so you don't count and the Coast Guard will
take you back to your home turf where the gendarmes will be pleased
as punch to line you up against a wall made of economic bricks
and fill your torso with economic bullets. 

>As for being whistled at, most males are starving for more attention from
>females and would love to be whistled at.  Men are usually as much or more
>concerned about their appearance than women and are eager for compliments,
>although they may pretend otherwise.  Although many females seem to want
>to deny it, many males also suffer trying to look as good as the actors,
>models, and singers that the public lusts after.

If you actually believe that men are more concerned about their appearance
than women, I invite you to visit your local neighborhood dept. store
and measure the amount of square footage of counter space devoted
to male and female cosmetic products, respectively.
>
>Skip Sauls, Good Old Boy
>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu

Harv, white boy liberal of European descent who is, quite often,
not terribly proud of the things other white boys do.
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the A3000 out of production?
Date: 12 Nov 92 07:12:41 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <1992Nov11.135623.2263@cnsvax.uwec.edu>, douddy@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
	[stuff about A3000 ad deleted]

>> Does this mean that the A4000/030 is not too far from being released?
>> 
	How much cheaper than an 040 machine do you think it will be?  I 
	believe the 040 chip is probably 5-10 times more expensive than
	an 030 (+882?).  I wouldn't expect the A4000/030 to be any more than
	1k cheaper, max, and I think thats stretching.  Still alot of money,
	*BUT* you can take out the 030 daughter board and put a 3rd party
	board at a later date.  Probably one with 060/DSP or something.
	040 owners will lose a chunk of money in this case, assuming nothing
	else is different.

>> Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
>> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
> 
> 	I wouldn't be too suprised.  Someone mentioned to me that it might be
> wise to hold off buying a A4000 until after Nov 16.  I'd expect the end of Nov
> and begining of December **Christmas Sales Season** to be important to 
> commodore.  Personally,  I think this rumor is entirely suspect, commodore has 
> given us the A1200, and A4000... so whats next?  A price adjustment?  
> A Midrange machine?  Nothing at all?
> 
	Any one heard info on Commodores ZorroIII scsi board? Features? Price?

> Dustan Doud
> DOUDDY@CNSVAX.UWEC.EDU
> 
> Idle Speculation Anyone?

	I can idly-speculate as well as the next guy :-)

Fred Heitkamp,  ** Not an organization.  My opinions only **

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: Please, CBM.. Make a new machine
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:31:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.203141.25642@ugle.unit.no> eyvind@Lise.Unit.NO
(Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes:

>[long article - removed]
>I second that! Commodore, I REFUSE to buy a 1200 until a PCMCIA-GVP HD
>widget is >made available. I MEAN IT (they're shaking now...  NOT!).

Aren't you two being a bit ridiculous? If you want a PCMCIA connection for
GVP peripherals, ask GVP. CBM is not in the industry to cater to the
designs of third party peripherals. 

>I can't even hook the drive up internally, as the 1200 uses IDE whereas
>GVP use SCSI...

You couldn't install a 3.5" drive in an A1200 anyway.

The A1200 has just been announced and you're already making assumptions
about expansion devices. Look at the specs -- the A1200 offers a 32-bit
expansion port. Can you say cheap '030 and '040 accelerator cards,
with integrated HD controllers and on-board memory expansion? You can
only retrofit a low-end A500 for so long.
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 11 Nov 1992 08:31:24 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>Go check out the NeXT, Mac, OS/2, and Windows advocacy groups and tell me
'>that they are any different.  The only difference is that X is advocated
'>instead of Y and they are arguing about issues that we hashed to death long
'>ago.  As for calling PC and Mac users stupid, what do you expect when those
'>persons are bashing the Amiga?  Should we all just say "Oh well, the PC has
'>won.  Let's all dump our Amigas and get SuperDuperSVGASoundBlasted 786 OS/NT
'>EIEIOSA equipped PCs."?  I think not.

 	I have to admit I did go overboard with that article.  It came out
   sounding like some sermon.  I had a bad day, what can I say.  The post
   about "people who buy PC's aren't interested in computers" really ticked
   me off.

'>The funny thing is that the only PC owners who post regularly are folks who
'>have sold their Amigas and bought Clones.  Why is this?  Are you all afraid
'>that maybe you didn't make the right decision?

        Not me.  I don't ever regret having bought my 486, I've had to much
  fun using it.  I'd like to get an A1200 or an 030 AGA Amiga to go along
  side it though.  If Commodore prices the A1200 right, I think its got a
  lot of potential.  I hope the rumor of $799 retail turns out to be true.
                      
							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu

'>Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
'>skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tempelma@cs.utwente.nl (Frank Tempelman)
Subject: Re: I've seen the A1200!!
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 13:39:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct31.223425.6023@maths.tcd.ie>, mike@maths.tcd.ie (Mike Rogers) writes:
|> In article <BwwGxJ.HKw@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz>, cree@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (Michael Cree) wrote:
|> >machines for those of us who wouldn't even know what a pound looks like.
|> 
|> Well, it's small and chunky, about 1.1 cm diameter, kind of brown.
|> 
|> >Could you tell us how much the a500,a600 and a3000 cost in British pounds.
|> 
|> .8 m, .6 m, 2.4 m.
|> -- 
|> Mike Rogers,Box 6,Regent Hse,##EveryoneHasTheRightToFreedomOfOpinionAndExpressio
|> TCD,EIRE. <mike@maths.tcd.ie>##nThisRightIncludesFreedomToHoldOpinionsWithoutInt
|> ###############################erferenceAndToSeekReceiveAndImpartInformationAndI
|> deasThroughAnyMediaAndRegardlessOfFrontiers...#10 UN Declaration of Human Rights

Prices in Germany are considerably lower... about DM 4200 for an Amiga4000,
equivalent to approx. 1400 british pounds...

In Holland, we pay about f. 5800 which is about 2000 british pounds

just waiting for a european common market now
From: petter@pnilsen.UUCP (Petter Nilsen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga sightings and other things positive.
Date: 10 Nov 92 18:31:53 GMT
Reply-To: cbmehq!cbmnor!pnilsen!petter@cbmvax.commodore.com
Organization: Ultima Thule Software
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Nov8.192504.6710@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:

> ask us if we had a Toaster in one of the Amigas.  Last year we didn't and blew
> them away, I can't wait to see how it turns out this year with not only a
> Toaster, but also an A4000.  :-)

Just make sure you run Scala MM200 on the A4000 with a 256K anim with some sound,
laservideo in the (genlocked) background (controlled by Scala). You'll
take the show home.. ;)

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From: grundy@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (jeffrey.p.grundvig)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:46:22 GMT
Keywords: semprini, spam, ni, naughty bits

In article <BxMJDv.H58@javelin.sim.es.com> dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen) writes:
>WHOLE ARTICLE INCLUDED FOR VARIOUS REASONS...
>My comments are at the end...............
>
>                                         What is legal does not
>> have anything to do with what is moral, and indeed is often
>> opposed to what is moral.  Society dictates what is moral as
>> it establishes certain norms.  In the music industry, it is 

>> The same is becoming true in software.  I don't know the statistics,
>> but in my little sampling, 95% (19/20) "own" pirated software
>> material.  Is it wrong?  Perhaps to your unique values it is, 
>> but do not spout off about what is moral, when there is no
>> obligation under my state or any other that I must worship your
>> god, or share in your beliefs.
>> 
>> I don't *need* software, yet I have have pirated software in my
>> collection.  I even use it.  Is it worth buying?  Of course!  I

There were a lot of people who went along with the nazis following
a similar line of reasoning.  Just because other people do it does
not make it moral!

And you can add another to your count of non-piraters.

jeff grundvig
jpg@aloft.att.com
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From: amiga@Hawaii.Edu (ftp Amiga Manager)
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: University of Hawaii
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:35:00 GMT

Well, as another data point:

I'm an EE undergrad, with emphasis on the computer end of things (as well
as communications, and electro-physics, but that's another story... )

I bought my A1000 back in Dec. '85 for it's technical merits and neatness
factor.  At the time, I thought this was a pretty good decision although
I suffered for software.  I now own an A3000.  Someday I'll probably own
some future generation Amiga.  What can I say?  I like the OS, the design,
and the Amiga community in general.  Then again, my personal computer has
always been more of a hobbiest machine than a work machine.

I'll be graduating soon (knock on wood), and in the entire time of my
undergraduate EE studies here at UH, I have only found it necessary to
use clone type machine twice.  Once for an assembly type course (8085,
bleahhh... yeah it was a while ago), and more recently for a VLSI design
class, where the Xilinx FPGA software ran on the 486 clone platforms.

If I need(ed) to write papers or reports with their attendant figures,
equations, chart, graphs or equations, I used a mac.  If I needed other 
computing resources, I use(d) workstations or the mainframes.

Which machine do I enjoy using the most?  My amiga.  Would I have
benefitted by buying a clone?  Probably not much in my case.  There's
a lot of pc sotware to be had, but from what I can see, most of the pc
users pirate their main stuff.  (Yeah, right, they all bought those
copies of WP, Dbase, etc...).

This is just how things worked out in my case.  Your mileage may vary.

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From: al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: ATARI Canada folds! MicroSoft possibly in trouble!
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:53:01 GMT

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>>I am sorry, DAN, but Microsoft just have a better marketing dept.  It doesn't
>>market a better product, they just know how to market junk!

   Yup. You're 100% right there.

>Then why is there Soft-PC and Bridgeboards?

   Because, in the worst case of near-sightedness I've ever seen in
any industry, the computer industry is based on a junk standard:
PClowns and Macs.

-Gus
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From: eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why ...
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:32:08 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: eas3714@ultb

In glens@natinst.com (Glen Sescila) writes:
> In eas3714@ultb.isc.rit.edu (E.A. Story) writes:
>
> >Doesn't matter.  Fact is, Falcon hasn't been released, both the A1200 & A4000
> >have been.  Its been a short while since the release of the AGA machines
> >anyhow.  You think you'll have an easier time finding a Falcon when it's
> >released? Even 6 months after release?  I think I can safely say... NO WAY
> >DUDE!
>
>       StarBase Atari in San Antonio, TX will have a demo unit that I can
> try out within a couple of weeks.  And then I can buy one (probably in
> January) if I like it.  Where in Texas can I try out a 1200?

Wrong question... The question is.. where in texas can you BUY an 1200.  You
still can't buy the Falcon, apparently.. eh?  (BTW, I don't live in Texas..
so I have no idea... stupid question).

> >BIG question.  What Sysadmin is gonna get Falcon's to hook up to his or her
> >Localtalk network with macs?  Lets get a grip on reality here.  The localtalk
> >in a falcon is basically a neato gadget for home users, or perhaps an odd
> >professional user here or there.  Ethernet would be a damn sight MORE useful
> >than this localtalk garbage.... and even that should be an extra option.
>
>       How does this make no LAN better than LocalTalk?  You know, there will
> be add-ons for the Falcon also, GASP! even though it has built in features!

It doesn't... it just makes Localtalk one more feature that adds cost and is
useless to most buyers of the machine.

> >A sampler of course.  If you have enough money for a CD-ROM drive, you
> >should have no problem with a $40 sampler box, either.  Even with a
> >SCSI controller as well, I'll bet the A1200 will cost less than a Falcon
> >will when released.
>
>       This still doesn't make no built in sampler better than the Mic jack
> on the Falcon.  Your whole article was saying add, add, add (to the 1200).
> This does not make the 1200 better than the Falcon, things can be added to
> the Falcon also, you just don't need to do it as much.  (No battery backed
> clock/calender either?  Why don't I just build my own computer and copy my
> friends ROMs and disks?)

Not the point.. the point is that you listed features the Falcon had over the
A1200, when you don't even have a PRICE for it yet.  THis stuff doesn't come
for free... and if it does Atari isn't gonna last long selling it.

> P.S.  Which newsgroup can I go to to get some meaningful feedback on the 1200
> to help make my decision?  So far from what I've seen here the choice is
> very obvious:

Well, try asking about the A1200 instead of making bogus assertions.

-- 
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From: redman@mdd.comm.mot.com (Brian Redman)
Subject: Re: Amiga sightings and other things positive.
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:46:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.073026.6604@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au> davidme@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au (David Meiklejohn) writes:

>good points deleted for brevity B^)
>
>I think things are looking better for the Amiga than they have since it was
>introduced, so why isn't there any advocacy happening?  Beats me...
>

Because most of the hardcore Amiga boosters were so sickened by the
negativity in this group that they bailed out a long time ago.

Me? Well, I failed to recognize the hidden talisman on level 56,703 of
BLAZEMONGER, and now my k,n and q keys are permanently disabled. It's
c.s.a.a. or death! At least it's getting easier to differentiate between
the two.

B^)

Brian

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From: danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Calling all lurkers!
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:07:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.csp1b6l
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

In article <56056@dime.cs.umass.edu>, lurker@cs.umass.edu (Laurence L. Lurker) writes:
|> . o
|>  .
|> -=-  Larry Lurker, Class of '04      lurker@cs.umass.edu
|> "Sex is a form of death, and vice-versa."  - Spiro Agnew

Could be worse. You could be Larry Laffer. Poor guy...


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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 300 MIP Amiga
Distribution: world
Date: 13 Nov 92 10:08:21 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <sf0T9fy00WBL48Slte@andrew.cmu.edu> "Eugene M. Feinberg" <ef23+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Lately, the threads in .advocacy have achieved an unparallel level of
>uselessness.  So, in an attempt to bring some life back to this
>newsgroup, I'll share a few quick ideas about the Dec Alpha chips and
>the future of the Amiga.
>
>1)  Commodore and Dec signed some sort of agreement earlier in the year
>
>2)  For the Alpha information sheet from Dec:
>
>    "The Open Advantage: 
>    The 21064 (Alpha) microprocessor is strong testimony to Digital's
>commitment     
>    to dilivering the Open Advantage to our customers.  Openness also requires 
>    open business practices.  So, in addition to selling systems built around 
>    the 21064 microprocessor, Digital will license the technology and form 
>    partnerships with vendors who want to use the architecture in their 
>    systems or embed the microprocessor in special purpose products....."
>
>3)  WOC Speech by VP of Engineering at Commodore hints at future RISC machines.
>
>4)  From a talk a went to by a representative from Dec:  "We are eager to show 
>    how the Alpha can be implemented into other architectures."  For
>example,     
>    Dec plans to release Alpha based PC, and it took only a week for a Dec
>    engineer to buy clone parts from Computer Shopper, plug in a Alpha board,
>    and get Unix running on it.
>
>For a little tech info, I'll refer to the sheet:
>
>Clock rate:    150MHZ,  soon to be 200MHZ.  Next generation: 400MHZ
>
>Peak MIPS:    300 @ 150MHZ
>Peak MFLOPS:  150 @ 150MHZ
>
>The chip is 64 bit architecture internally, but the current
>implementation only uses 34 bit addressing for real memory and 43 for
>virtual.  
>
>I played with an Alpha desk-side model.  It was running two 320x400 anims at
>around 15-25 fps, while calculating the data for another.  It was far and
>away the quickest computer I have ever seen in terms of responsiveness. 
>Even though benchmarks lie, the computer is SUBJECTIVELY incredibly fast.
>
>So how about some thoughts, comments, and arguement!

At the moment, the announced price of a base Alpha machine is about $18000.

They expect to have a Alpha PC by next year that will be about $7000.

The cost is high due to the methods which must be used to cool the cpu, and
the price of highspeed memory and other peripheral parts.

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From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Borge Noest)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Games and the C64...
Date: 9 Nov 92 19:48:15 GMT
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway

In article <1992Nov6.190859.17749@cs.mcgill.ca> jerry@cs.mcgill.ca (Gerald (Jerry) KUCH) writes:
>I have no idea 
>where William Mataga (of Shamus) and Steve Hales (of Fort Apocalypse) are 
>today.... anybody got any ideas?

Steve 'fingers' Hales has been (is?) on the Amiga. I have some old
sound-tool by him somewhere.

I'd kill for a Fort Apocalypse '93!

> Jerry Kuch (jerry@cs.mcgill.ca)  |  Author of "Death By Boredom" Vols I - IX
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From: seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert)
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& MENSTRUAL JOKES
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 05:28:58 GMT

In article <1d9oe3INN1gr@uwm.edu> bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.223432.17388@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert) writes:
>>May Dahlmer penetrate you, you testosterone filled sac.
>>
>>mike seifert, spewer of crap
>
>Let me make this blunt.
>
>1) You misspelled Dahmer.  But moreover, that's not the kind of thing
>you bring up.  After all, if I were to say that I hoped that your
>skull cap would be ripped open by Ed Geen and used as a sugarbowl, I
>WOULD be overstepping my boundaries.  Fortunately, I'm saying nothing
>of the sort.
>
>2) If you continue to be a pretentious ass, people are going to think
>you're a freshman who just got his net access.
>
>Get it?  Got it?  Good.
>
>Now, spewer of crap, save us all the headaches and use a little taste.
>After all, look at where the lack of taste put some of those other
>mass-murderers you like to bring up?
>
>Greg, from Milwaukee, and not thrilled.
>

Actually, greg (from milwaukee), if you were keeping up on this flame fest,
you would have noticed that this wonderful Dahmer (hey, I got it right) 
flame is really paula's (but I really liked it)  I realize its not easy
to keep up (I know about those wisconsin reading deficiencies).

Oh no, the geeks think Im a freshman, I guess I should start saying real
important stuff like (IBM sucks and AMIGA is folding in norway, or 
MICROSOFT president Gates has been found in bed with Phyllis Schlaffly
(did I spell that right?)

mike seifert, spewer of crap, but not a homo and not from Wisconsin
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