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From: brennan@hal.com (Dave Brennan)
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
Subject: Group improperly named
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:27:02 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Austin, TX
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: yosemite.hal.com

I think that this group should have been named

   alt.elements.cesium

to distinguish it from the up-and-coming

  alt.compounds.*

hierarchy.

--
Dave Brennan                                      HaL Computer Systems
brennan@hal.com                                         (512) 794-2855

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Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Periodic table of the aliments
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:59:51 GMT

The October 1992 issue of _Analog_ magazine has a "Periodic Table of the
Aliments" by Jonathan Vos Post and Dr. Christine Carmichael.  Here's a sample:

[In the magazine, these are arranged like a periodic chart]
>H = Hamburger
>He = Herring
>Li = Liver
>Be = Beans
>...
>Ce = Celery
>Cs = Cheese

[I forgot whether cesium was Ce or Cs.  Those two-letter postal abbreviations
give me trouble too, but I never had to mail a letter to Cesium.]

Bill Marcum  bmarcum@world.std.com
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: Welcome!!
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 05:12:28 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <BuA5Ir.AIt@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
>
>Why not my favorite, ytterbium?
>
You like ytterbium too!  I thought I was the only one!

Big Al.  Who *really* goes nuts over Gallinium, though.

Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: positron@engin.umich.edu (Jonathan Scott Haas)
Subject: Re: Time and our heroic element
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:26:07 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

I stand corrected here. In 1983, the 17th General Conference on Weights
and Measures fixed the speed of light at 299,792,458 m/s. I had thought
that they did this by redefining the second as being the time it takes
light to travel 299,792,458 meters, when in fact they redefined the meter
as being the distance light will travel in 1/299,792,458 seconds.


-- 
__/\__  Jonathan S. Haas         | Jake liked his women the way he liked
\    /  University of Michigan   | his kiwi fruit: sweet yet tart, firm-
/_  _\  positron@engin.umich.edu | fleshed yet yielding to the touch, and
  \/                             | covered with short brown fuzzy hair.
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: mdw@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Cesium GIF's
Keywords: Cesium, ceaium, CESIUM and cESIUM
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 17:12:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.003335.15986@bnlux1.bnl.gov> COWAN@ANL.GOV writes:
>A friend told me that there were some great GIF files posted on
>alt.binary.pictures.cesium but our node doesn't carry that group.
>
>Could somebody cross-post on alt.cesium? PLEASE!!
>

No, absolutely not. Everyone knows that alt.cesium is for DISCUSSION of
cesium itself and not for any binary postings. You should use the groups
alt.binaries.pictures.cesium and alt.binaries.cesium for those
purposes only. Requests may be sent to alt.binaries.cesium.wanted and/or
misc.test, which ever is more appropriate. Now how are we supposed to 
control propagation of USENET articles if people refuse to follow the
rules of the set-forth newsgroup charters? 

If you're not receiving alt.binaries.cesium or alt.binaries.pictures.cesium
at your site, use the 'addgroup' command or (for maximum effect) send
out a newgroup control message IMMEDIATELY. We can't have all of those
articles falling through to junk at your site; the bandwidth is just
too high.

Thanks. And sorry for the inconvenience,

mdw

-- 
Matt Welsh    mdw@tc.cornell.edu        +1 607 253 2737
Random Hacker, Cornell Engineering and Theory Center 
  "I'll eat anything that's BRIGHT BLUE!!"
From: gezelter@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu (Dan Gezelter)
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
Subject: Re: More Cesium facts.
Date: 10 Sep 1992 17:05:49 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.cchem.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep10.010152.26565@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, David Howard asks:

>     I have known for years that the atomic weight of Cesium is 132.90543,
>I'm sure we all know that...  The real question at hand is can any of you
>net people come up with any more precision than that?  Next digit?  Next ten
>digits?!?
>     I'll be waiting to hear from you.

  My best guess is that the atomic weight is limited in precision by
the precision of the measurements of the natural abundance of the
various isotopes.  We are all aware, I'm sure, that atomic weight is
given by the formula:
                              __
                         aw = >  iw * na
                              --   i    i
                                i
where iw is the isotopic weight and na is the natural abundance of
that isotope.  
                                                            133 
The CRC table of isotopes only lists an abundance for the Cs    
isotope, which has a mass of 132.9051 amu.  The abundance listed is
100% but the abundances are only given to 0.1% precision.  The only
other isotope with an appreciable half life is Cs(135) which has a
half-life of 3*10^6 years.  No abundance is listed, however.  Does
anyone have a more comprehensive list of isotopes than the CRC table
so that we can calculate the atomic mass from the real data?

   --Dan
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From: uug@cuc.ab.ca (William Graham)
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
Subject: Re: Welcome!!
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:30:27 GMT
	<Sep10.011411.13570@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
	<1992Sep10.051820.19229@samba.oit.unc.edu>
Organization: U of Calgary


Charles R. Tenney (tenney@med.unc.edu) writes:

>   Me, I'm a xenon enthusiast, but I like krypton too.  Both can be used in
>   gas ionization chambers for x-ray detection.

There is one small point of nomenclature of the Noble Gasses which has always
bothered me:  helium is not a metal, so its name should not end in '-ium'.

So, I would like to propose that He be renamed as "helion".

>   Do you think this newsgroup might belong in the alt.music.heavy-metal
>   heirarchy?

Not until The Osmium Isotopes make an appearance here.

 - William Graham -
From: uwanless@mcl.ucsb.edu (Selective)
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
Subject: Cs-126 as a radioactive tester
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:53:59 GMT

Companies that make nuclear testing devices often use this unusual isotope
as a verification that the devices are functioning properly. I'll post
the exact statistics on it in the near future unless someone else gets to
it first. Btw, I would love to hear about other elements, too...
--
************Paul Wanless "vangy"******************

"GO SYNTHESIZE A COMPOUND"
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: drw@euclid.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
Subject: Yet another stupid message
Organization: MIT Dept. of Tetrapilotomy, Cambridge, MA, USA
	<1992Sep9.200111.7058@reed.edu> <18lr53INN4p4@network.ucsd.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:02:50 GMT

In article <18lr53INN4p4@network.ucsd.edu> spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes:
   Call me an old mossback but I'll stick with good old oxygen.  Good old
   friendly O2...

"Oxygen -- the original toxic waste."

Dale

Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu
--
Paranoia is not the belief that everybody's out to get you -- *they are*.
Paranoia is the belief that everybody's *conspiring* to get you.
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: kdarc@sg1.chem.nrc.ca (Joey Ramone)
Subject: Chernobyl Jams & Preserves
Keywords: plums, apricots, cherries
Organization: Cesium World Themepark
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 18:52:33 GMT

I just thought that y'all might care to rush out
and purchase whatever is still left of the 
astoundingly low-priced jams and preserves from
eastern Europe, as the post-Chernobyl high-content
cesium fruits used for making these preserves 
is kind of fading away, and well, if y'all are 
really cesium lovers like you claim to be, well,
this is a good way to get an affordable piece of
the action.

Remember Enrique Romo, (used to pitch relief for the
Pittsburgh Pirates in the late 70s), well he is now
the chief engineer at our largest cesium mine way up
north.  Way to go Enrique.

jr.



Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: goodrich@lynx.larc.nasa.gov (Mike Goodrich)
Subject: Re: Time and our heroic element
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:57:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.125343.12926@athena.mit.edu>, krpeters@athena.mit.edu (Karl R Peters) writes:
|> In article <mDr-L=+@engin.umich.edu> positron@engin.umich.edu (Jonathan Scott Haas) writes:
|> >In article <18mi2eINN8e3@agate.berkeley.edu> gezelter@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu (Dan Gezelter) writes:
|> >>According to the National Institute of Standards and Technology
|> >>(formerly NBS): 
|> >>
|> >>  The second is defined as the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of
|> >>the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two
|> >>hyperfine levels of the ground state of cesium 133.
|> >>
|> >
|> >You sure about this? I'm almost certain that a second is defined as the
|> >amount of time it takes light to travel 299,xxx,xxx meters in a vacuum.
|> >
|> >-- 
|> >__/\__  Jonathan S. Haas         | Jake liked his women the way he liked
|> >\    /  University of Michigan   | his kiwi fruit: sweet yet tart, firm-
|> >/_  _\  positron@engin.umich.edu | fleshed yet yielding to the touch, and
|> >  \/                             | covered with short brown fuzzy hair.
|> 
|> No, actually the meter is defined by the distance travelled by light in
|> 1/299,xxx,xxx of a second.
|> 


NO, actually the meter is *defined* as a certain number of wavelengths of a
particular atomic transition of Krypton 86 ...


...mike
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu ()
Subject: Re: Welcome!!
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:42:10 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <BuBMHt.MBu@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
>In article 94187@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU, arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes:
>>In article <BuA5Ir.AIt@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
>>>
>>>Why not my favorite, ytterbium?
>>>
>>You like ytterbium too!  I thought I was the only one!
>
>OK...anybody for "alt.rare.earths"?
>
>Yttrium, my yttrium...

NOO! YTTERBIUM RULES!!!

-Scott



Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: yhcrana@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Karl Brown)
Subject: Re: Welcome!!
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 20:18:52 GMT

birdman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Christopher Kush) writes:

>I propose splitting into two groups;

>	alt.cesium.atomic-mass
>	alt.cesium.atomic-number

No no no no no no no no!

This will not suffice.  In order to make sure we have a forum for
*everyone* to discuss cesium in the way they want, I propose the
following groups:

          alt.sex.cesium
          alt.swedish.cesium.bork.bork.bork
          alt.cesium.politics
          comp.sys.cesium.programmer
          rec.nude.cesium
          etc.....

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>___/____| 1801 maple avenue, evanston, illinois 60201 - 3135
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           8-)

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Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith)
Subject: Re: Welcome!!
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:11:48 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Sep10.034258.26438@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
>In article <18lr53INN4p4@network.ucsd.edu> spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) writes:
>>Call me an old mossback but I'll stick with good old oxygen.  Good old
>>friendly O2...
>
>I prefer praseodymium.  I mean, _how_many_ elements have 6 syllables?

Unnulseptinium.  *there's* a mouthful.  I'm waiting for them to come up with
Ununquadrinium.

Big Al.  Let's hear it for Sulphur!
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum)
Subject: Re: Welcome!!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:28:28 GMT

In article <BuA703.BxF@ais.org> jgm@umcc.ais.org (jim miller) writes:
>In the meantime, I'll get to work on organizing alt.cesium.stories
>and alt.cesium.advocacy.
>
Don't forget alt.sex.cesium, alt.religion.cesium, and alt.binaries.cesium!
And then, there are all the other elements...
From: drw@euclid.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley)
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
Subject: Re: Time and our heroic element
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:14:22 GMT
	<BuD831.DKB@news.larc.nasa.gov> <18nojhINNcm0@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: MIT Dept. of Tetrapilotomy, Cambridge, MA, USA

In article <18nojhINNcm0@agate.berkeley.edu> gezelter@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu (Dan Gezelter) writes:
   >|> No, actually the meter is defined by the distance travelled by light in
   >|> 1/299,xxx,xxx of a second.
   >
   >NO, actually the meter is *defined* as a certain number of wavelengths of a
   >particular atomic transition of Krypton 86 ...

   Correct.  Once again, according to the latest NIST standards card, the
   meter is defined as 1,650,763.73 wavelengths in vaccuum corresponding
   to the transition 2p   -> 5d  of krypton 86.
		       10      5

Kids: The definition of the meter used to be based on krypton 86.  But
the trouble was that the technology got to where people could measure
the speed of light more accuractely than they could measure distances
from the krypton standard.  So the international standard was changed
to fix the speed of light.  Perhaps NIST still uses the krypton
standard, but the international (BIPM) standard is based on the
fixing of the speed of light.

Dale

Dale Worley		Dept. of Math., MIT		drw@math.mit.edu
--
The universe owes you nothing; not even survival.  *Especially* not survival.
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Question on CRC (for o'donnell#m#_robert@engmsmail.apple.com)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:40:59 GMT

I couldn't reply to your mail, the mailer barfs on your address.

The CRC I mentioned is the Chemical Rubber Co. Handbook of Physics and
Chemistry.  "Handbook" is misleading, it weighs several pounds. It has
sections discussing almost everything about physics and chemistry.  It
has a listing (not chart) of all the isotopes, their decay modes (if
radioactive), decay energys, their abundances in nature, etc.  Also listings
of zillions of organic and inorganic compounds, etc.
Many people simply call it the CRC (or even "The Rubber Bible"), it is well
known in the science fields.

-Mike
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: shabby@Athena.MIT.EDU (Chris Shabsin)
Subject: Re: Caesium
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: alt.cesium
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:22:51 GMT

In article <TK.92Sep14143545@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu> tk@ai.mit.edu (Tom Knight) writes:
Path: bloom-picayune.mit.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ai-lab!life!tk
   From: tk@ai.mit.edu (Tom Knight)
   Newsgroups: alt.cesium
   Date: 14 Sep 92 18:35:45 GMT
   Sender: news@ai.mit.edu
   Distribution: alt.cesium
   Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab
   Lines: 13

   I'm very disappointed in this newsgroup.  Nowhere have we had an
   adequate discussion of the fundamental issue:

   Is our fair element called Cesium or Caesium.  My fine high quality
   wall-sized periodic chart minces no words, and comes down hard on the
   side of Caesium.  We all know, of course, that it comes from the latin
   Caesius, meaning blue-white, so how do you people get off forgetting
   this crucial "a"?

   Since Cs is the most electropositive element, surely there must be
   something interesting about CsF, mixing it with the most electronegative?
   Who can give us the definitive story?

I for one have never seen it spelled Caesium.
NEVER.  Well, not until now.  It's probably some sort of British
periodic table...

--
-Chris Shabsin
-shabby@athena.mit.edu
-member, SIPB, PWLCSBHNM, MITMB, VWA, MITCC, PWN, LSI
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From: gilligan@bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan M. Gilligan)
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
Subject: Re: Group improperly named
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:39:59 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <BRENNAN.92Sep11172702@yosemite.hal.com> brennan@hal.com (Dave Brennan) writes:
>I think that this group should have been named
>
>   alt.elements.cesium
>
>to distinguish it from the up-and-coming
>
>  alt.compounds.*
>
>hierarchy.

No. It should have been named 

     alt.american.spelling.cesium

to distinguish it from

     alt.british.spelling.caesium


-- 

Disclaimer --- The government probably disagrees with my opinions.
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: ridgway@cco.caltech.edu (Alex Ridgway)
Subject: Re: Time and our heroic element
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:06:03 GMT

positron@engin.umich.edu (Jonathan Scott Haas) writes:

>In article <18mi2eINN8e3@agate.berkeley.edu> gezelter@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu (Dan Gezelter) writes:
>>According to the National Institute of Standards and Technology
>>(formerly NBS): 
>>
>>  The second is defined as the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of
>>the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two
>>hyperfine levels of the ground state of cesium 133.
>>

>You sure about this? I'm almost certain that a second is defined as the
>amount of time it takes light to travel 299,xxx,xxx meters in a vacuum.

Actually, it's the other way around: the meter is defined as the distance
that light travels in 1/299792458 second.

ObCesium: Cs 137 has a half-life f 30.0 yr, beta decaying 94% of the time
with an energy of 0.514 MeV, and 6% of the time with an energy of 1.176 MeV.

   -- Alex Ridgway
From: gryphon@wpi.WPI.EDU (M-5)
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
Subject: Re: Cesium and Beagles [SC]
Date: 13 Sep 1992 02:01:55 GMT
Organization: RecursionCo.: We'll do it again and again and again and again a
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu
Keywords: dogs

In article <1992Sep11.024627.27015@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman) writes:
>In article <16842@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> igor@charles.ucdavis.edu (Frog's Experimental Account) writes:
>>what a group.  can anyone tell me what happens when you fill
>>some beagles with cesium-137 (is that the rite isotope#?) and
>>then bury them in an unlined grave next to the ol lab on 
>>school grounds.  below which there lie the wells of water supply.
>
>I came in 3rd at my Junior High School Science Fair
>with this experiment (however, I used german shepards).
>
>Boy, that was the last time *I* ever ate a mammal!

Hey--clarify this.  Did you use German shepherds in place of beagles, or
in place of cesium-137?  And if the latter is true, why is this still on 
alt.cesium?  

Actually, in either case, I think this discussion should be moved to 
rec.pets.dogs.

[This post has been Smiley Captioned.  The Smiley Captioning system ensures
quality newsreading for the humor impaired.  Just look for the [SC] symbol.]

:-)  ;)  =|-]  ;-)  :)  8^}

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Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: gooley@netcom.com (Mark. Gooley)
Subject: Re: Welcome!!
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 21:44:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <j3rnvjp.lllowen@netcom.com> lllowen@netcom.com (lllowen) writes:
>In article <h1rn7_c.gooley@netcom.com> gooley@netcom.com (Mark. Gooley) writes:
>>Why cesium?
>>
>>Why not bismuth?
>
>You doubt the power of cesium?  I think I may have some more people to
>back me up in this one!   (Bismuth is nice, btw)

Well, you can run an atomic clock off cesium, but it isn't so great
for non-lethal relief of indigestion.

Maybe an alt.bismuth as well?

Mark.
gooley@netcom.com
From: android@wpi.WPI.EDU (Andrew J. Petrarca)
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
Subject: cesium
Date: 14 Sep 1992 02:53:31 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

I know this is probably on the FAQ, but what's cesium's atomic number?

-- 
Andrew John Petrarca | "Help me! I'm programming in C!"
this line is filler  |
android@wpi.wpi.edu  |               -Jeanne Sawtelle
____________________/ \________________________________
From: howard@crs.cl.msu.edu (David Howard)
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
Subject: Re: More Cesium facts.
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:01:52 GMT
Reply-To: howard@crs.cl.msu.edu.UUCP (David Howard)
Organization: Michigan State University


     I have known for years that the atomic weight of Cesium is 132.90543,
I'm sure we all know that...  The real question at hand is can any of you
net people come up with any more precision than that?  Next digit?  Next ten
digits?!?
     I'll be waiting to hear from you.

                                             David E. Howard
                                             howard@crs.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cesium
From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Subject: Re: Cesium and Beagles
Keywords: dogs
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:46:27 GMT

In article <16842@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> igor@charles.ucdavis.edu (Frog's Experimental Account) writes:
>what a group.  can anyone tell me what happens when you fill
>some beagles with cesium-137 (is that the rite isotope#?) and
>then bury them in an unlined grave next to the ol lab on 
>school grounds.  below which there lie the wells of water supply.

I came in 3rd at my Junior High School Science Fair
with this experiment (however, I used german shepards).

Boy, that was the last time *I* ever ate a mammal!


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