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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:26:00 EST
From:         DAN LADUE <LADUED@SNYPLAVA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Greece
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

Date sent:  28-SEP-1992 19:11:15

        As a frequent visitor to Greece over the past fifteen years,
there's lots to say for the most spectacular country in the world.
        Athens can be done in a few days, but don't overlook the National
Museum, the Binaki Museum, and the Acropolis.  Day trips out of Athens
should include the Sounion peninsula (which can be reached via local bus) to
see the Temple of Poseidon, overlooking the sea in three directions and to
Delphi (via a day tour for about $40.00 US).  You might also consider the
wine festival in Daphni which is a suburb of Athens and a visit to Marathon
26 miles outside of Athens.
        Personally, summer (Easter to late October) is the best time to go.
The weather is perfect--cloudless, sunny, brilliantly blue and white.
        I have a preference for the Dodecanese Islands (Samos, Patmos,
Rhodes) but in mid-summer these islands can be packed out.  There is a
range of hostelries available and in all my visits I've never booked ahead
and have always secured a room.  Those who have availbale rooms will meet
the boat so grab the first one who approaches you.  I spent six weeks in
Greece in July and August of 1991 and rarely spent more than $10.00 U.S. for
a room.  Honest.
        Got any spare room in your luggage for a stow-away?  Have fun!


Daniel Ladue
Library/Media Specialist
Mooers Elementary School
Mooers, New York 12958
(518)236-6004

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Date:         Mon, 5 Oct 92 15:16:22 TUR
From:         "Hans M. Steiner" <HSTEINER@ESRIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: London/Scotland
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 Organization: ESA/ESRIN EDMS Software Development


 To answer a couple of questions:

 British Airways flies into Newark at least once a day (United flies as well)
 and leaves at 7:40 pm.

 Round Trip tickets can be bought (it might be DAN Air) for around $200.--,
 so your price is quite good.

 A train ride costs you about $60.-- (one way London - Edinburgh). The night
 train leaves from Euston station, and you should consider taking a sleeper.
 It is very uncomfortable to sleep on the seats. The train takes about 8-9
 hours. However, there are faster trains (the fastest is around 6 hours).

 The BritRail pass costs you for 4 days over 26 about $150.--.

 In Inverness they have also plenty of B&B accomodations for about 22.--
 Pounds a night.

 Have fun

  Hans

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Date:         Sun, 27 Sep 92 21:40:16 GMT
From:         James A Schaefer <JAS@RICVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: help me identify these tix for MadisonSq.Gdns
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              26 Sep 92 14:55:35 EST from <stevep@SNOWHITE.CIS.UOGUELPH.CA>

in Providence, Rhode Island, the NYNEX tle//elephone yellow pages carry
a section of maps of area performance centers showing the seating plans.

IF the New York City yellow pages do the same, you could check for yourself
at your local public or University library where the NYC directories should
be at hand.  With luck, you'll get the answer via this list more quickly.
Good luck.
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 92 10:11:00 MDT
From:         LDENNING@DUCAIR.BITNET
Subject: Re: OUTSIDE DENVER CO.
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I think that you should rent a car from Wednesday to Sunday.  So much of
what you would want to see is just not particularly available by bus.

In the Denver area (within 100 miles), the Coors Brewery in Golden might
be a nice tour if you are into beer.  Red Rocks amphitheater is truly
awesome and you see it during the day, without going to a concert.
Someone mentioned Cripple Creek as if it was a backcountry town.  Well,
when gambling came to Colorado last year, it was one of the three cities
that got it.  The town is now nothing like it was.  Ont he same theme,
if you are into limited stakes gambling ($5.00 max. bet), Blackhawk
and Central City are closer than Cripple Creek and have lots and lots
of slots and blackjack tables.  These towns used to be very quiet and
ready to die.  Now, they are very busy.  (BTW, they are located right
next to each other.)  A trip south to Colorado Springs gets you the
Garden of the Gods, Royal Gorge, and Pikes Peak.  A drive west on I70
gets you some excellent scenery without having to worry about mountain
road driving, along with some of the ski resorts (no skiing yet).  A
drive north gets you Rocky Mountain National Park and Estes Park.  I
haven't been that way, but it supposedly is excellent.  A drive east
gets you flat plains for hundreds of miles, not very interesting.

A word about the weather...yesterday, high 82 low 45; today, high 85
low 40's; tomorrow, high 87 low 40's; on the weekend highs in the 70's
lows in the 40's.  This is for Denver.  If you go into the mountains,
expect highs in the 60's, but lows in the 20's.  Loveland ski area
started to make snow this week, though they won't open until late
October or early November.

BTW, a new exhibit on the Aztec culture has recently opened at the
Natural History museum.  Supposedly, a lot of stuff that has never
been out of Mexico is here.  From the press releases, it sounds like
the exhibit has taken over most of the museum.

Sorry for the long posting.  If you need more info., mail me direct.

                                Lloyd Dennington
                                University of Denver
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Date:         Wed, 30 Sep 92 12:58:51 EDT
From:         Nancy Rieser <NANSR@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      NoMail
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  Nans
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 92 20:10:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Scotland
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For Hilde Horvath:

1.  Of the hotels you list in Inverness, I'm familiar only with the
Palace.  It has a dynamite location but is fairly steep and seems
to cater to OAPs.

    There's an extremely good Indian restaurant right next door.

2.  Internal UK air fares are indeed expensive, especially if purchased
before you go from a US travel agent.  London to Inverness for $200
is not bad at all if round trip; not great it one way.  You can wait
and purchase inland tix when you're there, probably for less, but
you're subject to availability.

Jim Thompson
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 92 09:45:27 MST
From:         Roger <CARROLL@SCC.BITNET>
Subject:      A spare day in San Diego
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

>        I'm going to San Diego for the first time this weekend Oct 3
>        and will have 1 or 2 days for sightseeing or other explorations.
>        What can anyone recommend. Is it feasible to rent a car and
>        drive into Mexico for the day? Any recommendations on
>        restaurants?

Ernie...

DO NOT rent a car and drive into Mexico.  Any type of auto accident in
Mexico will result in seizure of the vehicle and you finding yourself in
a police station (possibly behind bars).  There is an excursion train
from downtown San Diego which will take you to the border, where you can
walk across.

In San Diego, spend a day at Balboa Park, with all it's museums and sights.
And you must eat dinner at Anthony's Seafood Grotto on the waterfront.

                                                ---roger

     "The opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of my
      employer, not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary."
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 92 20:15:04 PDT
From:         Dave Gomberg <GOMBERG@UCSFVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Two Weeks Hols for AUD$2,000
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              29 Sep 92 12:11:40 +1000 from <ELAINE_KAVANAGH@ONYX.UCQ.EDU.AU>

One of my most memorable vacations ever was snorkeling in the Great
Barrier Reef, so that would be my vote.  It was megamemorable, even
tho it was right on the heels of a beautiful weeklong stay in Cooks
Bay, Moorea on that same trip where I snorkeled a lot too.  Go for it!

Dave Gomberg    GOMBERG@UCSFVM  Internet node UCSFVM.UCSF.EDU  (415)731-7793
Seven Gateview Court, San Francisco CA 94116-1941
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 92 15:36:52 EDT
From:         Irene Azzinaro <IRENE@URIACC.URI.EDU>
Subject:      vacation rental
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I own several weeks of timesharing in Cable Beach, Nassau, Bahamas and have
two weeks available for rental, either together or separately. The time is
January 30 - February 6 and February 6 - February 13. The complex is called
Guanahani Village and is beachfront townhouses with pool and tennis courts.
The villas are three floors with three bedrooms, three bathrooms, living
room, dining room, fully applianced kitchen with dishwasher and washer/dryer.
There is also a private patio with each villa, and a master bedroom balcony.
Maximum capacity is eight people.

The complex is a 5 minute walk to the grocery store, a two minute walk to
the liquor store, and directly on the bus route to town. Carnival's Crystal
Palace Resort and Casino and many restaurants are also within a 5 minute
walk. Each week rents for $900. Brochure is available for potential renters.
Anyone out there looking for a little warmth in the middle of winter?
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Date:         Tue, 29 Sep 92 12:11:40 +1000
From:         ELAINE_KAVANAGH@ONYX.UCQ.EDU.AU
Subject:      Two Weeks Hols for AUD$2,000
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My boyfriend and I are hoping to take a two-week holiday starting
27th December 1992 and ending 10th January 1993.

We are only willing to spend $2,000 (Australian dollars) each which
must include airfares/transfers, or car or motorcycle hire/fuel,
accomodation, food, and all other expenses.

Somewhere overseas is the preferred option (we both have valid
Australian passports), but there are a number of places in Australia
we would like to see also.  My boyfriend is quite happy to drive his
car within Australia, and if flying overseas we are able to drive to
Brisbane in Queensland, Australia prior to our departure date.

Some options that we find appealing:           Activities we like:

Motorcycle/camping tour of New Zealand         Beach/Watersports
Resorts in South East Asia                     ScubaDiving/Snorkelling
Trekking adventures/Rainforest                 Bushwalking/Camping
Greek islands (e.g. Santorini)                 Motorcycling/Driving
South Pacific Island Resorts                   Sailing/Cruising
Hawaii/Honolulu/Tahiti or Bali                 Arts/Music/Dancing
Bangkok/Hong Kong/Singapore                    Wines/Restaurants
Cruising on a ship/Houseboating                Historic Sites
Italy/Spain/Mediteranean                       Foreign Cultures
Yachting around Barrier Reef                   National Parks
Winery tours in South Australia                Adventure

United States is out as I am planning to go there in September 1993.
Ayres Rock would be too hot during the day, and also it is the rainy
season in the far north of Australia at that time of the year.

If you have any suggestions for two-week holidays within our budget,
or general travelling advice, we would love to hear from you in the
near future.  Please send replies to TRAVEL-L@TREARN.BITNET list.

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Elaine Kavanagh                         Email: @onyx.ucq.edu.au
Computer Systems Officer                Voice: +61 079 309744
University Computing Services           Fax:   +61 079 309254
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Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia      TRAVELLING IS THE WAY TO GO !!
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 92 13:13:29 EDT
From:         GERVASI@LEMOYNE.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Cayman Islands
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Ranette, I spent about 6 days on Grand Cayman 3 years ago in November.
The weather was beautiful and the people very friendly.  It took a
little getting used to driving on the opposite side because, remember,
this is the B.W.I.  Make sure to see the turtle farm.  I would avoid the
"town" called Hell and the Pirate's Cave.  Very tacky, touristy.  If
you are a beach lover, the beaches are beautiful.  We stayed at the Hilton
Resort (I forget what it is called).  When we were there, there was also
a lot of building/construction being done.  Enjoy.

Kathy
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Date:         Sun, 4 Oct 92 04:52:47 TUR
From:         "Aaron M. Gold" <AG9021@BROCK1P.BITNET>
Subject:      Nu 2 list
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.travel-l

  Hello people!

  My name is Aaron, I'm new to this list (and new to Internet and computers
bigger than a car, for that matter).  I picked up this list because I am
planning a semester abroad in a year (Aug or Sept. '93).  I am plannig
to do an internship somewhere in the United Kingdom, either London, Leeds
or Edinburgh.  I'd also like to do some travelling around Europe before
or after my internship...that depends on how much cash I have saved. (Any-
one want to buy a '71 Plymouth Duster?  Heh heh heh)

  I've travelled a bit myself, a few places in the country (I live in
Rochester, New York) - several trips to Westchester County to see family
(near New York City), Cape Cod, Boston, Vermont.  Hoepfully a trip on
my own to Maine soon.  Also have been abroad - London (one day), Greece
and Israel (all were great - Israel is FANTASTIC!), Dominican Republic,
and Puerto Vallarta...anyway I joined the list to meet other people who
have or are intersted in travelling, especially students.  I will need
to figure out hosteling, backpacking, not showering, etc.  :-)

  I hope to hear from some of you soon...drop a line and say hello!

  -- Aaron Gold
     Communications Student
     State University of New York, College at Brockport (Mooo!)
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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 10:43:22 -0700
Reply-To:     "J. Dubey" <jdubey@REED.EDU>
From:         "J. Dubey" <jdubey@REED.EDU>
Subject:      Re: reflowing text

This is where PM acts awkwardly. you can use the autoflow to reflow the
text into your new columns, but first you have to get rid of the text
blocks on the pages you're working on. you can shrink them up by pulling
the window shades all the way up, until all you have is the red
downward-pointing arrow on the first page. then you can do your autoflow
back onto the pages.

of course, this still entails fussing on each page. so i would suggest
another method: try Select All (Command-A) and Copy all the text, then
delete it, then paste it back in on the first page and do your autoflow
from there. (save a copy of the document first just in case!) this way you
don't have to turn to each page.

hope this helps...
_______________________________________________________
jess dubey				jdubey@reed.edu
computer user services, reed college
portland, oregon 97202
503.777.7571


On Thu, 1 Oct 1992 GRIFFITH%OUACCVMB.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU wrote:

> I am currently using PM 4.2a (Mac) and came upon a problem that I am sure
> is not new.  I placed a 9-page document from MS Word 5.0 into PM.  After
> doing extensive editing of the text in PM, I decided to change my page
> format, ie, column width, margins, etc.  My problem is how can I make
> my text reflow to reflect the new page format?  The only solution that I
> came up with was to manually adjust the text on each page.  Certainly
> there is a way to be able to use the "autoflow" feature.  Does anyone
> have any solutions.
> Patty Griffith
> GRIFFITH@OUACCVMB.BITNET
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Subject: Re: File Size Limit
From: Pat.Churchill@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:25:01 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

There has been some discussion about file size limites in PageMaker.
I am usually mindful of the fact that I am generally send my files to
a bureau to have bromides made, so I like to keep the file small
enough to fit on a high density disk.
I have just finished my company's annual report, a 52-page A4
document.  I generally start off as one document, just to get the
masterpage stuff and styles coherent throughout.  Once the figure go
into the financial section I re-save the document as Annual Report
Accounts (using Save As) then delete all pages except the accounts,
and renumber accordingly.  Some pages in the front section have
graphs, etc, so I do a Save As again, then delete all pages but those
with the graphs, and renumber.
I take the precaution of backing up onto a network, plus onto floppies
to take home (just in case the office burns down in the middle of
annual report time :-( )  I usually have enough back-ups to save my skin.
Where I don't go to an outside bureau, I am a little more cavalier,
and have let files grow to 3mb and more.  I just checked out a flier I
am doing for SO's old high school and it was creeping up over 4mb
thanks to assorted graphics files.
I agree with previous writers that the Save As method of saving is a
wise option, particularly if you are placing then scrapping large
graphics files.
I have had no major disaster yet, on either the PC or Mac platform.  I
have had some close shaves where docs on the Mac suddenly crashed the
computer when I changed page view.  On those docs I just *unlinked*
linked graphics files before switching to the pages that held the
offending graphics (established  by process of elimination).
I think we should all give three hearty cheers to Aldus for the way
they have helped us recover docs.  Other software is rarely as forgiving.
-- 
| The floggings will continue until morale improves
| Pat.Churchill@bbs.actrix.gen.nz (Pat Churchill, Wellington, New Zealand)
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From: silver@brewich.hou.tx.us (Silverflame)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pagemakr
Subject: Quark
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 06:46:06 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

Aijaz,
I assume that you're going to be using Quark on the Mac, yes?  We have 
just begun using it at work and it isn't too hard to learn (coming from 
Pagemaker). I've got a list of the command-key equivalents at work, I'll 
post you a copy this weekend, if possible.
Can't help you - right now - with books, but I'll try to get by a 
bookstore this weekend and see what they have.  If you're on any of the 
commercial info sources (CompuServe, AOL, etc., both have active DPT 
areas for users of Mac, IBM, and mini-based workstation software.

Silverflame
silver@brewich.hou.tx.us
silverflam@aol.com

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Date:         Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:10:00 GMT
Reply-To:     Ellen Lorang <0005403596@MCIMAIL.COM>
From:         Ellen Lorang <0005403596@MCIMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Reflowing text

Griffith asks for an easy wa to reformat text on a page after changing
margins & colmns Rather than adjusting the text on each page, I cut
all the text to the clipboard, paste it onto the first page, then
grab the handle and reflow the whole documentYou could alternatively
eexport it back into word, then import again. OR, make a save as cop and
import the text from the original document after clearing it. It may
not sound easy, but after you've done it a couple of hundred times
(as I have), it's a cinch! :)

Ellen Loran (elorang@mcimail.com)
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Date:         Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:03:55 U
Reply-To:     Fran Holtsberry <fran_holtsberry@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU>
From:         Fran Holtsberry <fran_holtsberry@MACGATE.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Subject:      Pronunciation punctiation

Anybody know where I can find those little marks of pronunciation to use with
Palatino? You know, the long vowel and short vowel sound marks. And the upside
down e.

Fran Holtsberry
Fran_holtsberry@macgate.csuchico.edu
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From: dpaper@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Paper)
Subject: Re: Internal Error: HELP!
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 20:18:02 GMT

In article <01GPBOE8QMUO001E0I@CC.OWU.EDU> TAWILSON@OWUCOMCN.BITNET write
:
>Well, did I goof up.  I had what I consider to be a too large document,
>about 1.5 megs, on my PC, and with every good intention of backing it up
>on a disk, I created a second document for half the pages.  The problem
>came when I went to open the new second file, PageMaker gave me the
>messege "Internal Error.  Cannot Open File.  Tried to lock 0 length
>block.  7009:20540"
>
>Instead of going straight to the group, I checked the FAQs and sure enou
h
>found a possible answer -- holding down shift-option(ctrl?) and selectin

>hyphenation from the type menu.  But how can one do this if the file wil

>not open?  I also tried opening a copy instead of original, but no luck.
>The other FAQ solution was to place the file into a new file to salvage 
he
>type, but how can one place a PM file into another PM file?
>
>Any other idears out there?
>
>On the subject of backing up, how can one back up a file that's bigger t
an
>1.4 megs (without buying a tape backup system or using the DOS backup
>command)?  I usually just copy the file to a disk, which is pretty fast 
nd\
>easy.
>
>Todd Wilson
>Ohio Wesleyan University
>"No pain, no pain"


Use PKZIP and PKUNZIP to compress files
i know a PM4.0 file can usually compress +- 50% or so

so 2.8 meg files can fit onto 1.5 meg floppies..
anyways.. try it..
i got a better idea
if ur files get that big split them up..

makes life alot easier..

-dave


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Date:         Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:56:34 EST
Reply-To:     John <john@IUS.INDIANA.EDU>
From:         John <john@IUS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Printing text grey from within PC PM 4.0

        I am trying to get text to print in grey. Using PM 4.o for windows. I
thought that appllying the color (% of Black) would do it but aI guess not.
Does anyone have any idea. What I want to do is use large grey letters and
place black small ones on top. On the Mac, I just do it. On the PC it looks
good on screen, but is wrong at the laser printer. I have sent it to a TI
Omnilaser, a Unity 1000dpi with turbo grayscale and to  an HP IIIsi postcript.
Any thoughts

John@iusmail.ius.indiana.edu.

John Campbell Finnegan
Indiana University Southeast.

"186,000 miles per second! It's not only a good idea, it is the law!"
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From: tte@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.pagemakr
Subject: Internal Error Bad File Posn
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:50:30 +1300
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Help

I was creating a BEAUTIFUL pagemaker document for an assignment and after
switching back to the document from another application, it got zapped.  When i
tried to oen the file, I got an internal error Bad FIle Position.  When I did a
dir on my file, it was 0 bytes long?


Anyone got any ideas what happened?

I ended up reformatting the whole document for scratch as it was due the
following morning.

TerryE
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