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From:         "Michael S. Hart" <HART@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Novice vs. Expert vs. Compression
              5 Jan 1993 11:31:19 CDT from <Neal_McBurnett@ATT.COM>

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I have seen several postings that the best reason for compression is the
ability to get many files at a time via ftp.

1.  One person wanted to be able to get whole directories.

Answer:  type "prompt' to toggle prompting
         type "mget*" to get all files in the directory

2.  Another person wanted to be able to get .exe, .doc, .source files in
    one command.

Answer:  type "prompt" to toggle prompting
         type "mget zoo214*" to get all the zoo214 files, .exe, .doc....

Happy New Year!

=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
hart @uiucvmd.bitnet or hart@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
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Date:         Tue, 5 Jan 1993 11:35:36 CDT
From:         "Elizabeth F. Miller" <emil@seq1.loc.gov>
Subject:      CIP Survey Report - ALA Denver

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
The following announcement is being posted to the following LISTSERVs:
PACS-L, AUTOCAT, LIBADMIN, ACQNET, COLLDV-L, COOPCAT, NOTISACQ, and
LIBRARY

        RESULTS OF THE CATALOGING IN PUBLICATION PROGRAM SURVEY
                   TO BE DISCUSSED AT ALA MIDWINTER

Librarian satisfaction with the Cataloging in Publication (CIP)
program is generally high, and the more titles included in the
program the better.  MARC tape recipients want CIP data in advance
of a book's publication, and the more in advance the better.
Publishers can live with a ten working day turn around time to
obtain the CIP data, but the faster the better.

These were some of the findings from a survey of uses of CIP data
by publishers, libraries, and MARC tape subscribers done by the
Library of Congress, confirming the CIP program's central role in
the bibliographic control of monographs published in the United
States.  The survey was designed to assess the program after its
first 20 years and to identify possible future directions for CIP.
Separate surveys were sent to MARC tape subscribers, libraries of
all types, and publishers in late 1991.  This major study of the
CIP program was funded by the Council on Library Resources, and the
surveys were designed by SKP Associates of New York and Myers
Consulting Services of Adelphi, Maryland.

SKP will report on the results of the survey at the American
Library Association Midwinter Conference in Denver at the CIP
Advisory Group Meeting which will be held on Sunday, January 24,
from 4-6 p.m.  Consult your conference program or watch this space
for the location of the meeting.
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:49:05 CDT
From:         "Michael S. Hart" <HART@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject:      New World Factbook

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world192.zip and .txt are being posted to mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
cd etext/etext93

Contains the elusive Appendix E (Standard and non-standard names
of the various countries included in the almanac.


Happy New Year!

=====================================================

Thank you for your interest,

Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
hart @uiucvmd.bitnet or hart@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
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From:         Mili Fethy <mili@ERE.UMontreal.CA>
Subject:      electronic time-series from the the World Bank.

Please reply to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks.

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

        This message is being cross-posted to Business Libraries Discussion
        List.

We are in process of gathering information on the World Bank Data on Diskette.

- Is there anyone using this kind of data?

- How difficult is the retrival system (STARS)?

- What kind of patrons are using the electronic data?

- Is there a value added benefits of using electronic data rather than
  the print format?

- Did you keep receiving the print edition with the diskette?

Any other comments are appreciated. Thanks for your help.

F. Mili


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     Fethy Mili (Mr)
     Librarian
     Dept. of Econ.
     University of Montreal
     (514) 343-6111, Ext. 3840
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:31:49 CDT
From:         Michael Friedman <mfriedma@us.oracle.com>
Subject:      Re: Novice vs. Expert vs. Compression
              7 Jan 1993 08:18:21 CDT <9301071434.AA03851@gatekeeper.oracle.com>

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Please be aware of three things.

1.  FTP is not a universal standard.

2.  Sometimes you need to get a multi-level hierarchy of directories.  In
that case, mget is pretty useless.

3.  We are nowhere near reaching the point where disk cost is
irrelevant.  Mr. Hart seems focused on text, but what about a 32 bit
color picture at 300dpi and 8 by 10 inches?  That takes up almost 30
megabytes.  Now think about a botany or art text with 500 such
pictures.  Anyone out there think disk is so cheap that we shouldn't
use compression to reduce the size of a 15 gigabyte file?

If that doesn't impress you, think about an atlas.  I was at a talk
where an MIT media lab representative estimated that good quality maps need
3000 dpi.  Even if maps can get by with 8 bit color, each page will be
720 megabytes without compression.  An electronic atlas containing
maps of every country in the world would require about 144 gigabytes.
That's only 200 maps.  Most decent atlases have many more.

As a final exercise, think about full motion video.  When you go to
download a two hour National Geographic documentary you will need
about 216,000 video frames.  If we assume 32 bit color at 100 dpi for a
12"x9" screen that works out to 933 gigabytes.

In short, although compression may no longer be necessary for plain
text, it is clearly necessary for richer forms of data.

Mike Friedman
-------------------- Beginning of Forwarded Message --------------------
 Date:         Thu, 7 Jan 1993 08:18:21 CDT
 From: "Michael S. Hart" <HART@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>

 ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
 I have seen several postings that the best reason for compression is the
 ability to get many files at a time via ftp.

 1.  One person wanted to be able to get whole directories.

 Answer:  type "prompt' to toggle prompting
          type "mget*" to get all files in the directory

 2.  Another person wanted to be able to get .exe, .doc, .source files in
     one command.

 Answer:  type "prompt" to toggle prompting
          type "mget zoo214*" to get all the zoo214 files, .exe, .doc....

 Happy New Year!

 =====================================================

 Thank you for your interest,

 Michael S. Hart, Professor of Electronic Text
 Executive Director of Project Gutenberg Etext
 Illinois Benedictine College, Lisle, IL 60532
 No official connection to U of Illinois--UIUC
 hart @uiucvmd.bitnet or hart@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu

-------------------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------
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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:53:07 CDT
From:         Charles Husbands <HUSBAN@HARVARDA.BITNET>
Subject:      LITA Programmer/Analyst IG in Denver

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

1.   ***** Z39.50 with PAIG *****

At ALA Midwinter, join the LITA Programmer/Analysts Interest Group in
the first of a series of discussions on development and implementation
of Z39.50 software.

     Lennie Stovel (Research Libraries Group) will be there to share
     her experience as a server developer.

     Sylvia Carson and Dace Freivalds (Pennsylvania State University)
     will provide the client developer's perspective.

     Mark Needleman (University of California) will update us on the
     development of the standard itself.

This session will be of special interest to programmers, systems librarians
and all others concerned with technical and functional issues of Z39.50
implementation.

     When:   Monday, 25 January 1993, 8:30[!] - 11:00 a.m.

     Where:  Colorado Convention Center, Room C-101


2.   ***** PAIG Opportunities *****

Elections for Vice Chair/Chair-elect and for Secretary will be held at the
Midwinter meeting.  Interest Group offices are an excellent way to become
more involved in LITA and ALA.  If you are interested, get in touch with
the current Chair:
     Priscilla_Caplan@harvard.edu (cotton@harvarda.bitnet, 617-495-3724.)

We also need reporters to cover this session for the LITA Newsletter and
for Information Standards Quarterly.  If you would like to volunteer,
contact the current Secretary:
     Charles_Husbands@harvard.edu (chusband@harvard.bitnet, 617-495-3724.)
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From:         STRAUSS@UNCA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Bibliographic Control, was Musings on the Infostructure

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Wait a minute! When you catalog a bit of moon rock (I remember that from
library school; was it Dartmouth?), where do you put the barcode?
You mean on the underside of the Rosetta Stone is...?

Just "ah"musing.

Bob Strauss
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Date:         Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:47:29 CDT
From:         Loren Mendelsohn <LMENDELS@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      CD/ROM Government Documents

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
I would like to know how libraries are dealing with the more cpu-intensive
CD/ROM government documents.  I am thinking especially of the Geological
Survey photo databases and some of sequence databases available from NIH.

Even those documents which are not particularly cpu-intensive require
additional equipment in order to make them available to library patrons.
Has anyone tried circulating the CD/ROMs, which would enable those patrons
with the appropriate hardware to use the documents?

Basically, we are trying to come up with a solution which will not require
to purchase additional hardware out of our already strained equipment
budget.

Loren Mendelsohn            LMENDELS@WAYNEST1 (Bitnet)
Wayne State University      LMENDELS@CMS.CC.WAYNE.EDU (Internet)
Science and Engineering Library
Detroit, Michigan
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Subject:      Internet Addresses Wanted

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From:         Miriam Farber <RAFARBER@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
Subject:      Questel on internet?

Does anybody know if Questel can be reached through the Internet,
and if so, what is the address.
Please send answer to rafarber@weizmann.weizmann.ac.il
Thanks in advance
Miriam Farber
*-----

From:   cwoodill@epas.utoronto.ca (Christopher Woodill)
RE: Veronica / Gopher

People have been mentioning Veronica/Gopher in the last bit of mail.
I might be mistaken, but I don't think that we have Veronica at our
site (University of Toronto).  Is there an address for which I may
access Veronica/Gopher through Telnet?

Sincerely,

Christopher Woodill
*-----

From: lb10duda@UCSBUXA.BITNET (Andrea Duda)
Subject: Japanese Libraries

Is anyone aware of any Internet-accessible OPACs for libraries in Japan?
Please respond directly to me.  Thank you.

     Andrea L. Duda
     Sciences-Engineering Library
     University of California, Santa Barbara
     Internet: aduda@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
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From:         Neal McBurnett <Neal_McBurnett@ATT.COM>
Subject: Re: Novice vs. Expert vs. Compression

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
John Franks writes:
> Disk space is cheap and getting cheaper!  I don't think that compression
> in order to economize on disk space really makes much sense any more.
> If slow links are a problem and compression helps then offer the data
> in BOTH compressed and uncompressed form.
>
> In general it is a good idea to offer data in multiple formats.  We
> are beginning to see this already.  Many documents are offered in an
> ASCII version and a Postscript version or version in the format of
> some particular word processor.  This is the way to move beyond ASCII.
>
> You can make your information available in any format you choose.
> But the format impacts on the utility of the information to others.
> I had every right to post this message in Dutch rather than English,
> but to do so would greatly impact my audience.  This is an important
> consideration when considering compressing information on the internet.
> If you compress in a format that you use, but which excludes users
> of a different computing platform, then you greatly limit your audience.
> To my mind the economies in disk space aren't worth it.

You are right that we need better availability of de-archiving software
on multiple platforms.

You do not address most of the reasons for archive formats.  Here are
some other important reasons:

1) Packaging diverse files into one package - e.g. executable plus
documentation.  This is the clincher for me.

2) Provide a "checksum" so people know they got everything properly.

You suggest multiple formats.  If you want to offer them on your
machine, fine.  You should realize, though, that the people who
maintain these archives spend a lot of time at it, and translating
back and forth between multiple formats complicates their life.  Until
they receive better compensation, don't expect too much.  Your
arguments about not limiting the size of the audience work well in a
competitive environment, but most stuff on the net these days is not
influenced much by competition - it is still good-will.

Perhaps what would help this discussion the most would be a chart of
what archiving software works on what platforms.  We can then recommend
the most widely-ported software (perhaps zoo? PC, Mac, Unix, etc.)

Neal_McBurnett@ATT.COM (Neal McBurnett) 303-538-4852    AT&T Bell Labs, Denver
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Subject:      OCLC's Online Journal of Clinical Trials

Please respond directly to the author, not PACS-L.  Thanks, Dana

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Do you have any experience using the Journal?  Would you send me your
comments?

Thanks in advance.

Edith Wu
University Library
Chinese University of Hong Kong

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Date:         Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:50:49 CDT
From:         "Elizabeth F. Miller" <emil@seq1.loc.gov>
Subject:      CIP Survey Results at ALA

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
THE FOLLOWING IS BEING CROSS-POSTED TO ACQNET, COLLDV-L, LIBRARY, PACS-L,
   AUTOCAT, ACRLNY-L, and LIBADMIN:

Please note the addition of a location and date, as well as the
time change:

        RESULTS OF THE CATALOGING IN PUBLICATION PROGRAM SURVEY
                   TO BE DISCUSSED AT ALA MIDWINTER

Please note the following change in time and the addition of the
location for the reporting session on the CIP program survey.  The
report of the CIP program survey will be held at the American
Library Association Midwinter Conference in Denver during the CIP
Advisory Group Meeting on Sunday, January 24, from 4:30-6:30 p.m.,
at the Hotel Denver, Downtown, in the Gold Links Room.

Librarian satisfaction with the Cataloging in Publication (CIP)
program is generally high, and the more titles included in the
program the better.  MARC tape recipients want CIP data in advance
of a book's publication, and the more in advance the better.
Publishers can live with a ten working day turn around time to
obtain the CIP data, but the faster the better.

These were some of the findings from a survey of uses of CIP data
by publishers, libraries, and MARC tape subscribers done by the
Library of Congress, confirming the CIP program's central role in
the bibliographic control of monographs published in the United
States.  The survey was designed to assess the program after its
first 20 years and to identify possible future directions for CIP.
Separate surveys were sent to MARC tape subscribers, libraries of
all types, and publishers in late 1991.  This major study of the
CIP program was funded by the Council on Library Resources, and the
surveys were designed by SKP Associates of New York and Myers
Consulting Services of Adelphi, Maryland.
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Subject:      (Forwarded) NEW LIST: FEDJOBS - Federal Job Ope

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
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Date:         Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:33:42 CDT
From:         RHADDEN@USGSRESV.BITNET
Subject:      RE: Electronic Readers Advisory Sources

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
        One of the great advantages of the discussion groups on the internet
is that a posting can be made that is inexact, that can be reviewed by all
the experts.
        One man wanted a book he had read as a child, but all he could
remember is the plot, and not the author, title, etc. By posting a description
of the story on the subject discussion groups, very quickly several people
recognized the work and were able to give a retreivable citation.
        This has also worked with short stories, and for reading bibliographies.
One person requested good short stories dealing with death, and got some good
advice from several discussion groups.
        The best part about the e-mail discussion groups, is it expands the
circle of experts how share common interests. By having so many so
specialized, asking advice is mostly a matter of finding out what groups
are operating.
lee hadden
usgs library
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