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From: ALI00JEV@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU (Judith Van Noate)
Subject: Thanks to many, replies, etc.
Organization: UNC Charlotte
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:31:53 GMT

I have replied to several people personally, and to all who have
posted directly to me but almost always this mail bounces.  So want
to thank you and let you know that I did try to respond.
I'm going to try to get the airline cable for the "trolley" this
week, Cheska's Christmas present.
For the doberman with the skin problem, maybe he needs to be on
hypoallergenic food.  I had a red dobe who started having skin
problems at age 6 mos.  She spent her life partially bald, but
it wasn't until she was a very old dog that I started cooking her
a homemade version of KD (kidney diet).  Her hair grew back and her
skin healed.  She had been on all sorts of professional dog food
prior to this.  She lived to be nearly 13.
happy holidays to all.  BTW--I don't want to get into the apartment
dog issue other than to say--it depends not on the breed so much
but on the individual.  My shorthairs (60 - 75 lbs) live in a relatively
small space.  Their yard is small and they have to take turns, other
wise they are in small pens.  Most of them "hunt" continuously when they
are out.  Jamie probably runs 50 miles a day.  jamie and his six kids are
in rock hard condition.  I do not let them loose in the house except for
Jamie--he hunts in the house too.  Cheska, same breed would need a field
to get the same exercise.  She is not in condition.  I can't trust her
loose so she just has to be a couch potato.  She is not related to
Jamie's line.  Rita used to be like Jamie but now is very old and
sedate.  Sophie was extremely active and entertained herself until her
hips gave out.  German Shorthaired Pointers are shown in both breed
and field and there are many dual champions.  The most famous GSP
to date is Britannia--most all time winning show bitch, she recently
completed her field championship.  She has produced a number of field,
breed and obedience titled children.  Jamie has 15 champion brothers and
sisters, several with hunting and obedience titles.  There are problems
in the breed but you can pretty much take one of these dogs out of the
field and into the breed ring or the reverse.  I'm not sure they are
the dog for all people--probably too active and too birdy.  I would
hate to see them get popular.  But I do think that some of them can
keep in hard condition in relatively small spaces.
Another soapbox.
Judith
From: prkenne@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (CAROL SHARP)
Subject: Re: Doggie Odors
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 21 Dec 1992 13:19 EST  

In article <1h4up7INNsbp@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>, vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff) writes...
>I like the way my dog smells, too.  Of course I've smelled stinky dogs,
>but my Corgi just smells like warm fur....


Me too!  My golden has a very warm comfy smell that I really like to 
snuggle up to.

So, what is everyone getting their kids for Christmas?  Buddy is getting a 
new Vermont Chewman and and Booda tug-o-war toy.  And he'll have a special 
Christmas dinner with the family of course -- he loves that turkey gravy!!

Carol
From: JTCHEW@lbl.gov (Ad absurdum per aspera)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Names for male dog starting with 'B' needed
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Date: 23 Dec 1992 18:37:41 GMT
Organization: Honest Ernie's Used Ions
Distribution: world
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>Any good names for a male Dobe puppy beginning with the letter B?

We used to have a GSD/Enormous Mutt cross named "Baron."  Suited him,
and would probably do alright for a Doberman as well.

Dazed hollyhappies,
--Joe
"Just another personal opinion from the People's Republic of Berkeley
From: vancleef@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: help needed with puller
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:58:35 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics

In article <ljbqkpINN5u@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, barb@golfcart.Corp.Sun.COM (Barbara Hunt) writes:
> I had great success with the prong collar.  I got an Old English Sheepdog when
> he was 4 yrs. old.  He had apparently never been walked on a leash and
> his pull was incredible - there was no safe way I could walk him.  I tried
> a choke collar but he just ignored it.  A vet recommended the prong-type
> collar and it worked beautifully from the very beginning.  The vet also
> said the collar is not nearly as bad as it looks - the prongs are blunt and
> seem to just pinch.  Now I don't need to use it any more and my dog walks 
> well on a leash.
> 
> Barbara

I use a shoulder harness for my Chow. I don't like collars since I don't
like to think I am choking the puppy. With a shoulder harness, I can just
pick him up off the ground if I need to :)

-Garrett

One furry brown Chow Chow named Chewy (aka Chewbert, Chewbertvan, Hey You!)


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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Re: Clipping Nails (was Re: Electric Nail Grinder)
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:00:34 GMT

> Kyler Laird writes:
> Is it necessary?  Is it breed specific?  How do you know that a dog's
> nails need clipped?  What happens if they aren't clipped?  Why isn't
> this something they take care of themselves?  (Just another one of
> those things we bred away from the wolf in exchange for permanent
> puppyness?)


It depends. Most dogs need it at some point in their lives. Nail growth
varies from dog to dog, I've had dog's that need a trim every week, and dogs
that can go a whole month. If the dog spends a lot of time of rough surfaces,
like cement, they may wear away enough to keep them at a reasonable
length...this seems to depend partly on breed though, depending on what sort
of feet the dog has. The tight 'cat feet' of a dobie should have nails that
don't come anywhere NEAR touching the ground when properly trimmed. They
would have to be REALLY long before they did. A dog with a more elongated
'hare foot' will have it's nails long enough to touch the ground much sooner
and the nails may wear down enough on their own, unless the dog is always on
grass or carpet. Aparently some dogs will chew their nails off, but you can't
count on this!

There was an old saying that if the dog 'clicks' when it walks over a hard
surface, the nails need trimming, this is true to an extent. If my dobie
clicked, it would mean he'd needed a trim about 6 months ago :) You don't
want nails on any dog that press into the ground, since this forces the toes
out of position and can cause lameness...you could compare it to wearing
poorly fitting shoes ALL DAY, ouch!

Another special thing to keep in mind is dewclaws, the funny claws found on
the legs of some dogs. These NEVER touch the ground so they can grow
indefinitely and actually grow around in a circle and press into the flesh of
the dog's leg, ick!

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From: bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: moving/relocating info wanted
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 22:03:29 EST

(sorry If I brought this up earlier, gwinnett.com is really sucking wind
lately and getting ANY newsfeed is hit-or-miss)

I am considering (85% chance) relocating to the MIDwest (north Tx) and have
a 4 year old female neutered Shar-Pei who adores me (shar-pei, like chows, get
very attached)). Anyhow, my concern is how to make the move stress-free for
her (and me) my/our? current situation is living in a 2nd story condo..
(she has lived her all her life) I am concerned about what relocating will do to
her (ie she is kinda alot territorial))....
any tips? hints? DO's or DON'TS?
thanks!
Penn and Taissu
From: dwatson1@metz.une.edu.au (David Watson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Muffin tins in shape of dog bones (small?)
Date: 29 Dec 92 11:52:03 GMT
Organization: University of New England, Armidale, Australia

The Subject says it all. Perhaps a cookie cutter?

Does any one have an address where I can find a muffin tin/tray/pan in the shape of dog biscuits?

Fairly bizarre question but I figured someone out there could help.....


David Watson
Yascott Kennels			Breeding Better Brindles - Scottish Terriers
Armidale, NSW
Australia
dwatson1@metz.une.oz.au
From: dunae@mala.bc.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: 11801
Date: 31 Dec 92 20:23:39 -0700
Organization: Malaspina College


re: Westies
Delighted to find that there are so many other dog fanciers out there.  I have
a Westie named "Boomer" and would be glad to share Westie
tips/hints/stories with any other terrier fans...
= 

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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Training at Dog Shows
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 07:27:05 GMT

I think a lot of us Canadians forget that there ARE differences between us
and Americans sometimes! Specifically, I was SURE that there was no training
of dogs allowed at obedience trials, but there were people blatantly training
their dogs all over the place at the trail Dante and I attended earlier this
month. I've since looked everywhere in my official CKC rulebook and can't
find any reference to it...I guess I've just seen it so many times in
American literature that I thought I'd seen it there too! I wish I'd known
this before or I would have been practicing those long downs like CRAZY at
that last show :)

I just wanted to know what you all think of this difference in rules between
the two countries. The rest of the rules seem to be almost identical. What
about other countries, is anyone familiar with the rules regarding training
on show grounds? WHY is no training allowed at American shows? Does anyone
strongly feel that it should be allowed?

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From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Subject: Re: Opinions on breed.
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:48:58 GMT

In article <168C0CDCC.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
= In article <1992Dec17.113741.1890@msus1.msus.edu>
=     kevin@msus1.msus.edu writes:
=  
= >
= >Well it looks like I will finally be able to get a puppy again so before I go
= >asearching I figured I would query the net about the appropriate breed for my
= >needs.  What I am looking for is a dog that will serve a variety of purposes.
= >In order of importance (sorta) they are.
=  
= I would have a recommendation for you, but I think there's something
= else that needs pointed out here.....
=  
= >	2.  Adaptable to both life with a yard and life in an apartment.
= >	    ( I have crate trained a dog before and am comfortable with it)
=  
= >	3.  A good hunter of upland game. (Pheasant, Grouse)
= >	4.  Between 65lbs and 100 lbs.
=  
= Item #2 is incompatible with #3 and #4.  #3 because a good hunter will
= require lots of excersise - and that means more than just a walk after
= you get home from work.  Staying in an apartment/crate all day will not
= give the dog the excersise it would need (even for small hunting dogs).
= #4 is incompatible simply because I would consider it cruel to keep a
= large dog in an apartment all day (actually, I wouldn't sell ANY breed
= of dog to someone that lived in an apartment).

While I agree, in principle, with Chris's post, as a generalization
I must disagree with it.  Too much depends on the owner.  Granted,
it would be nice if everyone could leave their dogs outside during
the day to play and get exercize, that isn't always feasible.

And, even if the dog is left outside all day, a dog, especially a
single dog, is unlikely to get enough exercize for adequate
conditioning just by virtue of being in a yard.  I'm betting it
will spend most of the day sitting or lying about.

But if there is a place where the dog can be taken to run--off
lead--say three or more times per week (say every other day) for
half and hour or so (of actual running time) keeping a sizable bird
dog in an apartment, and keeping it in condition, is not beyond the
realm of possibility.  Of course, if the nearest place the dog can
run is an hour's drive away and it gets dark an hour after getting
home from work it will be unlikely that the dog will receive
adequate exercize.

Simply allowing the dog out into a fenced yard when one gets home
from work won't substitute for the 30-minute run described above.
If the run cannot be provided, I must agree with Chris.  And the
runs should be spread over the course of the week--not all lumped
together with several days of no exercize between.

So, we really need to know more about what Kevin will do before we
can say whether he can take adequate care of a bird dog in an
apartment.

Well, just one more $0.02 worth...


-- 
Best,

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	  crs@lanl.gov
From: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: dogs and computers
Date: 22 Dec 1992 15:15:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu



I am curious as to whether anyone has a dog who recognizes the
noises made by computers.  Whenever I am working (playing?) on my
computer at home, Digory comes in and lies under the table.  As
soon as I start to shut down for the evening my Mac makes some
strange noises and Digory immediately gets up and heads either for
his bed or my bedroom whichever room I happen to be headed to.  He
seems to be able to sense which I am going to do.  Does anyone else
have similar experiences?  He loves it when I'm on the computer 
because I'm in one place for an extended period of time.

-- 

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From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: Getting a picky eater to eat (was lots of other stuf)
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 19:04:25 GMT


> Anyway, I will accept any constructive suggestions as to how to get her
> to eat.  I am not about to get rid of her because she is an excellent lead
> dog.


Have you tried making eating a semicompetitive event?  With six dogs, it could
be chaos, but if you isolate the picky eater and one other dog, it may work.
I find that our dogs will compete over eating a potato skin if they think that
another dog might get it if they don't.  (They'd individually turn up their
noses at potato skins.)  I would imagine small portions of dog food in a little
dish might be the prize for competition.  Two dogs with complete attention,
having to go through some obedience paces, and then one of the dogs gets the
dish.  You could repeat through a dozen or more little servings.  If necessary,
make the dishes contain hardboiled eggs to be sure to get the finicky eater's
attention.  I think if dogs associate the food with praise or a symbol of
"top dog"-ness, they'll eat just about anything.  But you do seem to have the
dog that breaks all rules!

Good luck!  The chicken broth also strikes me as a very good idea.  Perhaps
bacon grease would be along the same lines but more fattening.
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From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Opal's Inferiority Complex
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:34:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.115206.3006@mtroyal.ab.ca> shoran@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>In article <17DEC199211530733@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>, prkenne@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (CAROL SHARP) writes:
>> In article <BzEu6u.A8A@acsu.buffalo.edu>, kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle) writes...
>>>The problem is this--whenever I scold Jessica for doing something she knows
>>>she shouldn't, Opal slinks away like I'm yelling at her.  So as I'm saying,
>>>"J, no!", I have to say "Good dog, Opal!"  It's kinda hard sometimes!  :)
>>> 
>>>Any suggestions?  
>> 
>> I'd also be very interested in suggestions as Buddy has the same reaction 
>> when I yell at the cat.  He doesn't seem to understand that kitty is not 
>> his name and he's not the bad one!
>> 
>> Carol
>>
>
>My dogs have always reacted this way, looking sad/guilty and slinking off as if
>in disgrace, whether I was scolding husband/child/another dog/cat.  I always
>figured it was a sympathetic gesture on their part, feeling sad and upset that
>I was angry enough to yell at some other poor creature in the house.  It always
>make me smile and call out to the innocent one, "OK, Cassy, you can come out
>from under the couch, I didn't mean you!"  And that's usually enough to bring
>her wriggling out, relieved and wagging and smiling.  (It's usually enough for
>the transgressor to do the same too, hoping for forgiveness!)

Dogs are very good at reading body language.  In their mind, alpha is not happy.
Their looking "sad/guilty" and "slinking off" are all submissive behaviors.  In
their minds, this is the proper thing to do in this situation.  Be submissive
to alpha.  It is a very natural reaction.

>
>Stef  

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From: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: Opinions on breed.
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:18:30 GMT
Reply-To: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <22DEC92.20333327@don.waisman.wisc.edu>, 
maddox@don.waisman.wisc.edu writes:
>Have you considered a black lab?  We had a dog who lived to be
>15 years and was a wonderful companion and showed signs of being
>a good hunter.  She was not trained to hunt but her instincts were
>such that she did well the few times we took her out.  She did scare up
>a few grouse and pheasants.  She was not 100% black lab but had a great
>disposition, wonderful with children (she was raised with mine), was a
>house pet and loved to be around family.  We live in the country where
>she could rome freely but she rarely strayed from the house.  She didn't
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>have a mean bone in her body.


ARGHHHHH Sorry - but I can't let this be.

Soapbox ON:

Why do people think that just because they have 20 acres in the country
they don't have to be responsible for their dog? "Running free" means
- running deer
- forming packs with other 'free' dogs
- destroying livestock and property
- getting shot by farmers
- getting hit by cars
etc...

Dogs should never be allowed to 'roam freely'. The privilege of owning
a dog means taking responsibility for it by supervising it &/or keeping
it safe on your property. 


Soapbox OFF.


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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Names for male dog starting with 'B' needed
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:31:17 GMT
Organization: .

(Keith Skronek) writes:
>> 
>> On 11-Dec-92 in Re: Names for male dog star..
>> 
>Some Names that come to mind:  Barnibus, Barney, Benedict, Bart, Benjamin,
>		Benard, Benny, or Bob.

Buford, Berkeley (if he's liberally-minded), Brutus (or "et tu Brutus"),
Buck, Blake, Butch, Backus, or Benton.
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From: prkenne@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (CAROL SHARP)
Subject: Re: young puppies and biting
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Lhasa Apso
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: na
Date: 30 Dec 1992 10:23 EST  

In article <1992Dec30.025612.3416@osf.org>, kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup) writes...
>Otis, my girlfriend's 9 wk. old Lhasa Apso male, has gotten into the habit
> 
>of biting everything in sight, including humans. I've used the advice of
>a book I read that says to give him admonitions about this, but it's an
>uphill battle. I think he's teething, and we've given him a furry bear he
>seems to like to bite on, but he will occasionally bite when he's near us,
>and goes after socks and shoes so adamantly we've almost tripped over
>ourselves trying to stop when he decides to hang on tight when one of our
>feet starts going up.
> 
>Is there some remedy to this? If it's teething, what can we give him to
>chew on?

While our golden was teething he was an absolute chewing machine.  We made 
sure he had lots of toys to chew on, the more indestructable the better.  
When he would try to chew on us we would give him a very firm NO and give 
him one of his chew toys.  Also, we occassionaly gave him ice cubes to chew 
on which seemed to sooth him a little bit.


            " Learn from the mistakes of others
             you can never live long enough to
             make them all yourself"

                                *Carol*
From: del@hobbes (Delaine Sanders)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: My Strange Pooch
Date: 21 Dec 92 16:47:09 GMT
Reply-To: del@hobbes (Delaine Sanders)

In article <168C262B.REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>,
REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:
> Lately I've been hearing from my folks that my 2 year-old Bichon, Shana, has
> been acting very mischievously.  She'll go to her water bowl, but instead of
> drinking, she'll start playing with the water.  Sometimes she'll stick her
> paws in and start batting it around, or she might stick her face in the bowl
> and start blowing bubbles.  (I wish I could see this; it sounds hilarious.)
>  
> Anyway, she's never done this type of thing before, and I'm wondering why
> she suddenly started.  Anyone have any similar experiences?

i have a 7 month old airdale that does the 'pawing in the water dish' routine,
and it is hilarious to see.  makes a mess of the kitchen and the area in
the backyard
around her water dishes.   i figure she'll grow out of it and i 
hate to be a fuddy dud and make her stop  (though i usually do when she
starts it
indoors).  
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