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From:         VANDIJK@ALF.LET.UVA.NL
Subject:      Re: error messages when printing with NB 4.0 and HP IIIP
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I also get error messages when printing a long document (> 100 K) on
my HP III when printing under NB4.0. Used to have something similar
in NB3, but don't remember what I did to solve that. Yes, I suppose
the printer send back messages that get a wrong interpretation. I
could not know because I thought it might be NB4.0 memory management
(after all, it happens with long files only) got entangled with
my (otherwise good) DMP print spooler. So, some work needs to be
done to resolve this little new quirk of our beloved/behated NB4.0.

Teun A. van Dijk
University of Amsterdam
Program of Discourse Studies
210 Spuistraat
1012 VT Amsterdam, the Netherlands.
Phone: +31-20-525.3834 (office)
Phone: +31-20-6.27.37.47 (home --after 14 hrs)
FAX:   +31-20-525.3052 (office)
FAX :  +31-20-639.1727 (home)
E-mail: teun@alf.let.uva.nl
E-mail for NotaBene List: vandijk@alf.let.uva.nl

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From:         Michael Dick <DICK@SIENA>
Subject:      Searches in Lingua
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Am I missing something? I tried to do a search in Lingua using a lingua
character (I said find all cases of shin + accented a = Akkadian relative
pronoun) and it immediately typed gibberish on the command line and said NOT
FOUND. Can you do searches (f4) using the Lingua characters?
        Michael Dick
        DICK@SIENA
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From:         M.E.Bennun@CEN.EX.AC.UK
Subject:      Outlines and Johnny Appleseed.....
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I'd heard of Johnny Appleseed, and my image was of a gentle and benign
rustic figure from American folklore. But having contributed (I can't
recall - did I provoke?) the apple vein initially I feel sad that a
note of acerbity seems to be heard..... I see no happy or winky
smilies....  :-(

And all was in good humour... I meant no harm and seem to have been at
least in part responsible for turning an apple of peace into one of
discord..... Or is this perception simply caused by my crude and
unsubtle South African sensitivities which misses northern humour?

Shanah tovah, all.... And we do really need some shalom too....

But I have a problem with 3.0 and 3.1 outlining different from those
so far referred to, and our local gurus have been unable to help. I
use this feature a lot - actually for writing lecture notes - and I
use true line display. I also use my SVGA display in mono so as to get
true underlining on screen rather than a selection of colours for
various print modes. I find that suddenly the cursor jams and won't go
below a particular point, and the display starts an uncontrollable
vibrating: the only moving lockup-snarlup I know of in NB.  Only by
quitting and resuming in single-line display is the file editable and
usable. I prefer using the true line and mono display modes because NB
has only a moderate wysiwyg factor and I like to get the best possible
idea of the appearance of what I'm writing.

Can anyone help me with this problem?
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Mervyn E. Bennun, Law Department, University of Exeter
Phone: (+44) (0) 392 263 161
Postal Address: Amory Building, Rennes Drive, Exeter EX4 4RJ, Devon, U.K.
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From:         PARKINSN@MCMASTER
Subject:      memory
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A very strange memory problem is beginning to bother me.  I use 3.1 with
Ibid under Windows 3.1 (and the same thing happened under dr-dos's
taskmaster i think), and when I load Nota Bene I have about 215k of
free ram for files.  But after I work a bit, calling and abandoning
files, and perhaps switching tasks (to go on the modem or play Solitaire),
a few times, a lose up to 30k of memory.  At first I thought I just
wasn't counting right, but it's happened repeatedly, and I don't know
where it goes. (Above should be "I lose", not "a lose").  Anyone
have any guesses?
Ted Parkinson
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ontario
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From:         Tom Schlesinger <tos@OZ.PLYMOUTH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 and outlining
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> before using the outline -- now, as far as I can tell, one just
> has to be in an outline, and one can use the settings (this is based
> Lee Komito                       Internet: lkomito@irlearn.ucd.ie

My experience is the same, and I'm sorry I forgot to mention it, because
I very much agree that it's a real improvement.
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From:         "Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements (was: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid)
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James Woolley writes:

> Using NB4 under DOS 5.0, I find that it's possible to
> use the loadhigh command when loading NB ("lh nb" instead
> of plain "nb" at the DOS command line) and move about
> 11K into upper memory.

I found myself a bit puzzled by this post, for the LH command will not
load *part* of a program into upper memory--it is an all-or-nothing
proposition.  Then I remembered that NB uses a small program
loader/launcher named NB.COM.  It seems that what you have done is to
load NB.COM into upper memory blocks!

This is, to me anyway, an exciting discovery.  Have you experienced
any problems using NB since you started doing this?  Have you had
trouble managing any of the overlays for spelling, printing, help or
video management?  I'd be very happy to hear of any details you may be
able to provide.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul J. Bodin                         Internet: pjb3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
Union Theological Seminary               smail: 435-52nd Street
(718) 439-3549                                  Brooklyn, NY 11220
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Subject:      Re: "Phoning" on the VAX
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Mark, etc.,
It is common courtesy, where I come from (or is that fum'), that one ignores
spelling when phoning. The interactive nature allows one to ascertain
meaning from context.  Otherwise, one gets bogged down in corrections,
rather than ideas and statements.
Kapish?
(;-)
Bob Strauss
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From:         PARKINSN@MCMASTER
Subject:      Re: basic info.
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Gee, I guess this is how "rumours" get started.  As far as I know any
"rumours" are from this list and generated by criticism about NBI's
erratic business practices.  I think people said NBI "might", "should"
or "deserved to" go out of business, but these were all personal opinions
and no one has offered any sort of solid evidence.  In this case, I
think we should stop this rumour in its tracks.
Ted Parkinson
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ontario
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Subject: Re: Johnny Appleseed
Date: 26 Sep 92 14:36:40 GMT
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Johnny Appleseed, aka John Chapman. Visit his "town"--New Market, VA,
for all sorts of festivities.

I always thought a good title for a biography of him would be:
"With Malus for all: a biography of John Chapman."


As to American children, our geography tests prove that most are
barely able to find which end to wipe!  I've seen France put in
South America; and this by College fresh-persons.

Bob Strauss
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From:         Allan Needell <NASSH100@SIVM>
Subject:      effective use of umb's
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From: Allan Needell

I too have taken a look at the possibility of loading part of nb in upper
memory blocks and have reached a few conclusions that might be helpful to
some. Given reports of difficulty moving between nb, ibid and tb/orbis when
nb.com etc. is loaded high, perhaps another strategy for enhancing available
conventional memory is called for. That many seem to have more than 11k
available in a contiguous umb block, indicates the same thing.

Basically, the strategy is to load as many of the system files, dos program
files, and other operating type files in upper memory to free as much
conventional memory as possible for use of a program. That one has an 11k
block available suggests that you have other system/operating files loaded
wastefully in conventional memory.

The device files (of much use to nb users) I load in umb using the
"devicehigh" command in the config.sys file include ansi.sys, ramdrive.sys and
smartdrv.sys. Do that and see how much umb memory is left in a contiguous
block (in dos 5 use mem /c command). Now go to your autoexec.bat file and one
by one try moving operating system or dos program files to upper memory.
Because I use a mouse driver for other programs the biggest gain is gotten by
loading the mouse driver high (using the loadhigh command). Although I now have
about 8k left, I find that even smaller dos programs will not fit, e.g. print,
graphics, etc. The reason, I think is that when loading, a program often
requires more memory than it ultimate requires after loading. Perhaps changing
the order of the loadhigh commands might allow for squeezing one of the files
into umb, but I'm not sure its worth the effort for the 4K one might gain. In
any case there are better uses for large blocks of upper memory than trying to
squeeeze in 11k of notabene program files. IMHO.  (If I'm wrong, and someone ca
n give a good reason why loading part of nb high is better than the files I've
named, I'd love to know it.)

Allan Needell
National Air & Space Museum
Smithsonian Institution
Washington, DC 20560  (BITNET: NASSH100@SIVM)
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From:         "Cora A. Diamond" <cad2m@FARADAY.CLAS.VIRGINIA.EDU>
Subject:      Mervyn's /c
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Mervyn could save himself the trouble of having to remember to type in
'/c' after striking Shift/Esc by adding it to the appropriate line in
his HELP file.  Then it would always be the first thing he sees when
he strikes Shift/Esc.  All he has to do is to call HELP to the screen,
do a search for '{{edos', go to the next line, and insert '/c' at the
start of the underlined area.  Thereafter, when he strikes Shift/Esc,
the '/c' will be there waiting for him to move the cursor 3 places
right and enter his DOS command.  But is it worth it, except for the
adventure?

Tony Woozley
cad2m@faraday.clas.virginia.edu
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From:         Dieter Christensen <dc22@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      update 4.0 arrived!
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Good news - I just received my NB 4.0 update with Options1 (whatever
that might be), Orbis, Ibid, and printers 1&2. It came with the
previously described 138 pp Quick Reference Guide, a 15 pp Quick
Customization Guide, a 32 pp. Changes and New Features Guide (not
Quick), and a 137 pp indexed Tutorial.
All this looks pretty good, and they even sent me the files on 3.5"
media as I had requested - changing the original order - only a week
ago by fax.
I live about 100 blocks up Broadway from NBI and therefore assume was
served late in the game - ladies and strangers first, which is ok. The
important thing is: it seems they now have caught up with themselves.
I am greatly relieved. It makes my week - and I hope, y'all will get
yours as soon as the mailman can make it.
Dieter Christensen
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From:         Michael Shalev <SHALEV@HUJIVMS>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements (was: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid)
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Assuming that, as reported on this list, NB4 still hasn't heard of
memory above the 640K boundary, there are of course other ways of
using that extra memory to enhance its performance. "Upper memory"
(available on all 386 PCs and many 286s using DOS 5 [or better,
DR DOS] or dedicated "memory managers") is a great place to get rid
of everything else that might want to reside in DOS memory other
than NB. In addition, a RAM disk can be created in either Extended
or Expanded Memory to house NB's temporary files. And the extra memory can also
be used to run a disk cache, to speed up hard disk accesses.
Anyone interested in these matters will find lotsof earlkier discussions
in the logbooks.
..Michael
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From:         WATTS@BUTLERU
Subject:      Idle Speculation
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As I sit here trying to figure out how to swallow the most recent
pack of lies from the ministry of disinformation at NBI ("Your upgrades
will be sent out this week by UPS.  We promise.  It's the truth this
time.") I find myself asking the following questions:

1) How many copies of NB 3.x can there be in circulation?  And
how many :ubscribers can they have
"subscribers" (read "dupes") can they have?  The serial number
on my copy of NB3.1 is 10313, so perhaps they had 10,000
customers by the time I bought the package in 1988.  But
surely they don't have anything like 10,000 orders for the
upgrade.
2) What kind of equipment can they have for copying the
software?  Even with my XT-clone, which has a single floppy
disk drive, I think I could produce at least a hundred copies
of the program each day.
3) If NBI goes belly up before they ship the program to
everyone, will it be possible for members of the list to
send copies to the unfortunates among us?  Or has NBI, in
their great wisdom, somehow fixed the program so that a
particular copy will only load if it matches the serial
number in the owner's copy of NB 3.1?

Bill Watts
watts@butleru
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From:         Rick Penticoff <PENTICOF@IDUI1>
Subject:      Re: basic info.
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Yes, NBI does offer a printer disk for the HP DeskJet 500 (I just got one
this week).  You have to call and request Printer 11 (Disk P-7).  Since I've
only had the printer installed for several days, I haven't done any heavy duty
printing from NB yet, but what little I've done I'm happy with.  Sorry I don't
know anything about the Epson (or whether NBI supports it).
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From:         "Itamar Even-Zohar, Porter Chair of Semiotics" <B10@TAUNIVM>
Subject:      Re: Arabic on NB
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              6 Oct 92 12:36:12 BST from <M.A.Elass@DURHAM.AC.UK>

Re: Arabic

I once designed with my son-in-law, Nimrod Gil-Ad, HGC+ Arabic
fonts. There was no problem in displaying them, + writing
correctly from right to left (we simply used the Hebrew
switch). However, we had to manually insert any of the
3-4 forms of a character. This required a terrible keyboard
customization. And it is a wrong way to work with Arabic.
A good program should be able to evaluate the position
of the character and insert the right form accordingly.
Now that NBI have found a solution for inserting forms
according to position (for instance, those who wish it,
can work in Hebrew getting the right form of any of the
final chacaters by typing the regular form, then putting
a space or any punctuation mark; for example, you type
regular N, then spacebar, and you get a final N), the
solution for Arabic is quite at hand. (Of course, Arabic
requires many more forms than the Hebrew 5 final forms!)
The question is: will NBI have the time, and money, and
incentives, for doing this? I think that with 98% of the
solution in their hands, they should. But they have not
been behaving in an extremely rational way lately.
(Perhaps 'organized' is a better word than 'rational'
for this context.)

Itamar E-Z

PS. Gutman, who has also designed the beautiful Hebrew
fonts, now part of the NBLINGUA package, has also
designed excellent Arabic (and Persian) laser fonts.

PS2. Through some mishap, my HGC+ Arabic screen fonts got lost,
and I had no courage to redo the whole thing.
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From:         Rob Rittenhouse <RITTENHO@FAUVAX>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements (was: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid)
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"Paul J. Bodin" <pjb3@CUNIXB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU> writes:
> The main competitor was a 16-bit version of CPM, and don't ask me why
> the decision was made the way it was--CPM was dominating the micro
> marketplace at the time, so maybe IBM wanted to go its own way and
> create a new marketplace.

The reason IBM went with Microsoft MSDOS (which was bought by
Microsoft from a company headed by Tim Paterson) and not CPM from
Digital Research was that DR wouldn't go along with the
nondisclosures. Story is that the head of DRI was out flying when IBM
came to call. IBM was already dealing with Bill Gates for Basic and
Gates suggested they do an operating system as well.

We are at a crossroads. It's unclear what the OS for desktop
platforms will be: Windows 3.x, Windows NT, OS/2, or UNIX. My guess
is Windows 3.x for the near term but it's not clear that we'll go
from there to NT for a variety of reasons. Our concerns are with a
company that has trouble producing a sophisticated product for DOS.

Rob Rittenhouse
Internet: RITTENHO@ACC.FAU.EDU
Bitnet:   RITTENHO@FAUVAX

PS: Still waiting for NB4 + IBID & Orbis here in S. Florida
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From:         Janice Tanche <USERTANC@UBCMTSG>
Subject:      caution refilling DeskJet
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For those of us refilling HP Deskjet in cartridges with improvised
impliments:  A word of caution...

I've done this several times with the small size cartridge without
negative consequenses.  However, yesterday I decided to "top up" a
double size cartridge.  Did so and carried on working at my desk.
Several minutes later, the printer made a noise which encouraged me
to look inside.  To my utter horror, ink was dripping from the bottom
of the cartridge onto the printer's electronic board underneath.  I
cleaned it up and dried it, but the printer was toasted and is now in
for repairs.

I'm not sure I'll refill another cartridge, but if I do, I won't put
it into my printer until I am certain it isn't going to spill itself.

The repair man seemed to think it was rather funny and had never heard
of it happening before.  At any rate, that's the word of caution...I
hope it helps someone else avoid my catastrophe.

Janice Tanche
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From:         "Mark D. Szuchman, History, Florida Int. Univ." <SZUCHMAN@SERVAX>
Subject:      ORBIS question
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We received one of several copies of the upgrade to our department today, and
I have a question regarding Orbis.  I have indexed many files over the course
of time into the NB3 textbase such that I have about three different
textbases.  Orbis, however, does not recognize the existence of the textbases,
even after several changes in directories, including the ones in which either
the VOC and NDX management files are located or the actual texts of the
indexed files are sitting.

To be sure, I use the sixth option of indexing, i.e., Beginning delta, Keyword
delta, and End delta.  Orbis, thus far, deals with option 1 of the indexing
schemata.

Any suggestions?

Mark D. Szuchman
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From: robin@UTAFLL.UTA.EDU (Robin Cover)
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Subject: Distribution of 4.0 and Lingua
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:23:07 GMT
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Can someone tell me whether the distribution of new NB disks
still continues -- and how long it's projected to take?  It's
been going on for over a month now, maybe two . . .

I still don't have my copies, paid for in 1990 as I recall.

After Jim O'Donnell's horror stories about the phone situation
at NBI, I would despair of even trying to contact the people
themselves.

But just in case: what is the 800 number again?

Thanks,

Robin Cover

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From:         "James Woolley, Lafayette College" <WOOLLEYJ@LAFAYETT>
Subject:      Re: NB4 Memory Requirements (was: NB4 + Orbis + Ibid)
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Paul Bodin is quite right: I have *not* thoroughly tested
for possible ill effects caused by "lh nb"; I'd be
interested, as he would, in reports of others' experience.

James Woolley
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