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From: pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 06:44:48 GMT

ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
: In <C09Cz8.89q@csn.org> pmichals@teal.csn.org (Paul Michals) writes:
: 
: > This is pure speculation but taking into account various hints dropped by
: > TNG people it looks to me that next season we will see Riker promoted to
: > Captain and Data to Commander. They will get away with this by promoting
: > Picard to Commodore. He will stay aboard (nominally to supervise Riker) 
: 
: Do you really think Star Fleet would give a Galaxy-class starship to
: a Captain who needed a babysitter?

There are 2 answers to your question;

1) From the viewpoint of show itself. Starfleet has  a highly decorated
   Captian that needs to be promoted (if for nothing else utilize his
   considerable skills with a more demanding responsibility), However, he's
   not quite ready for a StarFleet Hqts job. They also have a Commander, who
   in the past has Captained the Enterprise with honors but his general
   inexperience leaves enough doubt to hedge their bet (and killing two 
   birds with one stone-easing Picard out) by having Picard around to give
   advice. This whole scenario depends on the fact that a captain of a lesser
   ship would not have have clout to instill him/herself in the captiancy
   when Picard is moved up.

2) From the viewpoint of the production staff; Stewart wants to expand his
  acting ability in other venues but still wants to keep his hand in Star Trek
  This scenario allows him to *star* in a half dozen or so episodes while
  freeing up his time to do other things. It also lets Frakes to continue
  with the show. Without a promotion the believability of his character is
  becoming precarious. The writers also need to be able to develope their
  characters by having them face greater responsibilities and challenges as
  do real life people.

Anyway just my idea on how TNG can solve some of it's developmental problems
if the show is to continue through seasons 7 & 8.

paul m.
 
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From: billma@utoday.com (Bill Mallon)
Subject: Old Yellow Eyes Is Back
Reply-To: billma@utoday.com (Bill Mallon)
Organization: CMP Publications, Inc.
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 00:00:20 GMT
Keywords: data brent spiner stargazer 

There was once a time when I thought that you hadn't lived through really 
wonderfully BAD music unless you were at the 1979 John-Williams-In-Space 
concert at Madison Square Garden, where William Shatner sat lazily upon a 
stool, a cigarette (joint?) dangling from his lips, reciting the words to "Rocket 
Man" during a laser light show.
    Okay, so I was wrong.
    TV Guide recently printed a letter and brief reply about a new album entitled 
"Old Yellow Eyes Is Back," by Brent Spiner And The Stargazers (Stewart, Frakes, 
Dorn & Burton). Unfortunately, they didn't mention the label it's on or where it's 
available.
    Hey, I GOTTA have it. A dear friend (who counts Shatner's "Lucy in The Sky 
With Diamonds" album as one of her odd-but-prized-anyway possessions) tried 
several music shops in the New York City/Long Island area, but alas, to no avail.
    Does anyone out there know where I can acquire this gem? Shops in the New 
York City/Long Island area, or perhaps by mail?
    Thanks in advance!

"I am endeavoring, ma'am, to construct a mnemonic 
memory circuit, using stone knives and bearskins." --Spock
                             Humble Typesetter
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: 57 Re: Replacement for Picard
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:15:34 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1993Jan5.195424.20877@umr.edu> S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:

>This has two benefits; an immediate repair in the chain of command
>(necessary in wartime, as you don't want the captain of one ship 
>overruling the Commander(nominal captain) of another), 

Why not?  If Star Fleet didn't believe Riker was *really* qualified
to be captain of the Enterprise, why would it be concerned about a
more experienced captain overruling him?

However, you're wrong, anyway.  Even if two officers have the same
grade (e.g., Captain), one will still outrank the other.  The officer
with longer time-in-grade has superior rank.  The reason a ship
captain cannot be overruled by another ship captain has nothing
to do with his rank, it's because of his position.  The Navy/
Star Fleet has given him sole command and responsibility for his
ship.  He answers only to the officers above him in the chain of
command (battle group or fleet commander).
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9: Music, Major Kira
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:00:13 GMT
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel

harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp) writes:
>
>Try turning it up and "getting into it" a little and you'll see what
>I mean.  Then again, I'm listening to it on a 100wpc high-end stereo
>system, not the single 3" speaker in most folks' TVs.  Perhaps the
>latter just doesn't do it justice.

I'm only running my stereo MTS signal through a 25W NAD receiver, but
it really fills the room ... WPIX is a small station, but puts some
really good effort into their technicals (anyone watch it on sat?).

>The show isn't about a glorious exploration mission, and likewise the
>theme should have the feel of a march, like the TNG theme does.  I'd
>have been disappointed if it had been a fast-tempo tune.

Yes, a feeling of stability ... the space station is over 60 years old,
the Bajorans for many thousands of years, and all will be there for some
time to come (supposedly).

>Those with some musical experience should be able to pick up the
>"inside joke" of the theme -- that is combines many elements of the
>TNG and TOS themes, though at a slower tempo to help disguise them.

Actually, the ST IV theme is in there, too ... certainly the best of
the non-movie arrangements, barring TNG season II's brush-up of the
first TMP/TNG theme (there was a remix, same sessions).

>One question (since many people made this comment about the show):
>How can the role of a Bajoran woman be over-acted? ;) Kira is much
>less tame then Ro, I admit, but them again Ro has spent years in 
>Starfleet and in jail.  Kira has spent years killing Cardassians.  

If the role was originally written for Michelle Forbes's Ro Laren
character, Nana Visitor was probably conscious of trying not to
duplicate Ro in any way as Kira ... certainly they've set up each of
their backgrounds to be different enough that their eventual meeting
can lead to fireworks ... remember what Ishara Yar felt about Tasha's
departure for Starfleet ...

>But maybe I just like women with attitudes... ;)

Ditto ... (-;

gld
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.EDU 		President Bush should
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From: se2ah@dmu.ac.uk (Wibble)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Wow! So many new SF shows!
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:58:52 GMT
Organization: De Montfort University, Leicester, UK

> 
> Deep Space 9:
> Babylon 5: 
> Sea Quest: 
> Space Rangers: 
> Time Trax: 

Does anyone know if these will be sowing in the UK, maybe sky? 

thanx

Arron
se2ah@dmu.ac.uk
From: randib@alcatraz.gvg.tek.com (Randi Briggs)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: 1991 Starship Enterprise Ornament
Date: 11 Jan 93 17:35:57 GMT
Reply-To: randib@alcatraz.gvg.tek.com (Randi Briggs)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

Hi I'm a newbe to the group and I wanted to let anyone who was
interested that I have access to sell some 1991 starship Enterprise
christmas ornaments. The current Hallmark greenbook value is
$200.00 and that is the asking price. It's seems high until you
consider that the price will be even higher next christmas. They are
new and unopened. If anyone is interested respond to me directly and
I will get the information to you.
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From: ruderg@aix.rpi.edu (Gregory Allen Ruderman)
Subject: Re: Odo in DS9 (**MINOR SPOILER**)
Followup-To: r.a.s.c
Summary: more of Odo
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:03:10 GMT

In article <1iep15INNdag@transfer.stratus.com> det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland) writes:
>If anyone involved in DS9 production is monitoring, please read this.
>
>Minor spoiler ahead:
>
>
>
>Odo's shapeshifting abilities are impressive, but also could be overused.
>I would also recommend a bit more adherence to physical laws.  His *mass*
>should remain constant, his volume should probably remain nearly so.
>I was a bit distressed to see him successfully disquise himself as a
>duffel bag that was clearly *not* of humanoid mass (and yes, Odo must
>be nearly human mass, consider when he slams Nog's accomplice back
>against the wall).
>
>It would be well to further define his environmental requirements.
>Does he require oxygen (or some other atmospheric gas)?  Can he survive
>high/low atmosperic pressure, what temperature range can he survive in,
>does he have similar requirements to humans for food and water?
>
>
	However, we know nothing about Odo except that he was found in the
cloud which surrounds the wormhole.  Isn't it possible that he is somehow
linked to the wormhole or something like that, so when he changes form, he
can shunt some of his mass into another dimension.
	Also, it is fiction, so why let a little thing like conservation of
mass interfere?  Especially since it can be easily explained away?

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From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Ceslla 3 Massacre in DP9
Date: 7 Jan 93 23:34:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) 

On Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:24:00 GMT, zing@wilber.rich.nt.com (Leon Z. Lee)
wrote:

LZL>After watching DP9 last night...I got a question.  When the 3 Cardasian
LZL>warships were about to attack the station...I believe Doc. Bashir asked
LZL>whether it would be good idea to surrender...O'Brian replied that
LZL>"have you ever heard of the Ceslla 3 massacre". This implied that the
LZL>Cardasians were responsible for the massacre instead of the Gorn.

LZL>I thought the Ceslla 3 massacre was shown in the 1966 ST espisode titled
LZL>"Arena" when Kirk met the Gorn for the 1st time.


He said "Setlik Three", not "Ceslla Three".  The Setlik Three massacre
was mentioned in "The Wounded" as the battle where Capt. Ben Maxwell's
family was killed.


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From: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.music.country.western,talk.bizarre,rec.humor
Subject: Take it out of misc.jobs.offered (Re: Gorgeous Women and Lots of Sex!!!!!
Date: 11 Jan 93 00:44:28 GMT
Reply-To: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Organization: North Carolina State University

Please keep this thread out of misc.jobs.offered.
From: david@elwood.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Emmy for Patrick Stewart
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:30:31 GMT

jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper) writes:
>Actually, I've noticed over the years that it is
>difficult for science fiction anything to be recognized
>as quality.

My wife dislikes Trek.  I think she has a hard time getting
past the SF.  One time I was watching an episode of TNG and my
wife came in during an intense scene which had none of the
regular characters and scenery which was not unique to SF.
It was a somewhat emotionally intense scene and it caught my
wife's attention was very interested.  She said, "This is good,
what is the name of this movie?"  I told to just wait and see.
The next scene was on the bridge of the Enterprise and she said,
"You tricked me," and proceeded to pretend to beat me.  I think
many people have a prejudice against SF and Trek in particular
and are unwilling to give the genre a fair chance.
-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
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From: dmehring@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (David Mehringer)
Subject: DSN time
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 00:51:09 GMT

Could someone in New Mexico email me the day and time that KKOB
(channel 4 in Albuquerque) is showing DSN?  TiA
-- 
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dmehring@smaug.aoc.nrao.edu | .sig vacationing in sunny, warm Hawaii
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Observatory, Socorro, NM    | 
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From: mikesteg@syclone.detroit.sgi.com (Mike Stegbauer)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Reply-To: mikesteg@syclone.detroit.sgi.com (Mike Stegbauer)
Organization: sgi
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:13:50 GMT


|> 
|> >Career-wise, Riker was stupid to refuse three offers for a
|> >captain's position on other vessels.  
|> 
|> Agreed.  It would be interesting to see the writers incorporate this
|> into the show, with Riker getting passed over for command because he
|> waited too long, getting increasingly anxious, etc.

ST:TRG
Star Trek: The Riker Generation
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From: gailj@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (gail.j.valentine)
Subject: Re: DS9 Uniforms
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:18:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.182601.18244@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> jclark@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (J. Michael Clark) writes:
>Has anyone explained why the uniforms on DS9 are different that the 
>standard starfleet uniforms. I mean they are still starfleet officers
>aren't they?

I believe these are the same uniforms used at the Academy, in the Wesley
episode...perhaps they are "stationary assignment" uniforms as opposed
to "ship-board assignment"?  A space station should be more stationary
than a starship...

Theory only...

Gail Valentine

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From: csh019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Faust)
Subject: Re: What did they do to the video? (was Re: ST: VII ... It's Official!)
Organization: Coventry University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:43:57 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.131852.13545@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> helene@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Helene Blankespoor) writes:
>
>I have read the  book and seen the film, however I wonder whether there are
>differences between the film version in the UK (which I have seen) and in the
>US because the last mentioned scene was definitely not in the version I saw.
>
>Helene.
>
	Ah, but the U.K. video release of the film does contain the scenes
	which were missing from the cinema release (such as the fake
	Klingon revelation at the end).  Great incentive to buy the video
	version, isn't it?

	
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From: Tim Steele <tjfs@tadtec.co.uk>
Subject: You know you've watched too much ST:TNG when you...
Organization: Tadpole Technology plc
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:42:09 GMT
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...start to wonder about Wes and Picard

...worry about how the nice pink carpet continues *unbroken* from the Bridge
   into the Turbolift

...wish Worf would work off some steam by destroying a few innocent planets

...wonder why Riker grew the beard

...start feeling sorry for the men in red who are included in away
   teams as cannon fodder

...stop feeling sorry for the men in red...

...wonder how the Computer can be so clever and yet so patronising

...wonder why they don't jettison the Holodeck as the biggest danger
   the Enterprise has ever faced

...wonder why they didn't test anything first

...wonder why a team of designers over many years couldn't do what
   Geordie can do in 10 minutes if it's a red alert

...try to figure out what's so great about Standard Orbit anyway?

...or Red Alert?

...worry about the other 9,995 crew members who never get to do anything fun

...can't get the Wizard of Oz out of your head when you see Data

...fall in love with Lt. Troi

...consider sending some ointment to Wes

...wonder if Worf likes Heavy Metal

...wish Tasha was back on board
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From: jwells@netcom.com (Court Jester)
Subject: Re: Am I the only person who DIDN'T like DSN??
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:53:40 GMT

mark.lindsay@the-matrix.com (Mark Lindsay)  writes:

>If DS9 is supposed to be dramatic over TNG's blandness, I'll take the
>blandness any day of the week!

[Deleted]

Hey, to each his own. However, try going back and watching the premier
of The Next Generation, Encounter at Farpoint. While it was good in some
ways, it was a big joke in others. But they've come a long way since then,
even after just a few seasons. If you think DS9 is so bad, give it some
time. In a few seasons, we'll be looking back at its own premier and
thinking how silly it was. ;-\

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From: dowling@main.mndly.umn.edu
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Organization: the Minnesota Daily (U of MN Student Newspaper)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:52:25 GMT

In article <16B4D899F.JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu> JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu writes:

>>2) From the viewpoint of the production staff; Stewart wants to expand his
>>  acting ability in other venues but still wants to keep his hand in Star Trek
>>  This scenario allows him to *star* in a half dozen or so episodes while
>>  freeing up his time to do other things. It also lets Frakes to continue
>>  with the show. Without a promotion the believability of his character is
>>  becoming precarious. The writers also need to be able to develope their
>>  characters by having them face greater responsibilities and challenges as
>>  do real life people.
>>
>>Anyway just my idea on how TNG can solve some of it's developmental problems
>>if the show is to continue through seasons 7 & 8.
>>
>>paul m.
>>
>Another solution is to broaden the venue of ST:TNG to include more starships
>than just the Enterprise.  Let Picard remain captain of the Big E and promote
>Riker to captain another ship (and bring some of the crew with him).  Then
>Stewart can be in the shows that feature the E and Frakes can be in the rest.
>Riker's ship could have a different mission than the E, perhaps on the
>fringe of the galaxy and dealing with more varied and, maybe, more dangerous
>species and interacting occasionally with DS9.

Losing one lead character would be bad enough! The Enterprise is as much a 
star as the actors; I don't think the producers would change the setting of 
the show.
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From: dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman)
Subject: Re: Computer voices
Organization: The Admiral's Unix System & The Grid BBS
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1993 07:10:53 GMT

In article <abick.726386921@cunews> abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>Did anyone else find it stupid that the Saratoga had the same computer
>voice as the Enterprise? I remember that in the old series (namely Gary-7)
>Kirk was annoyed with the "new" computer voice calling him "dear". Spock
>said that it had been changed in a recent refit. If it is so easy to
>change why would all ships have the same voice in TNG?


I don't think it is all that easy to change the voice a computer uses. Other-
wise, why hadn't Spock changed the computer back to its original voice?

I think the voice used by all Starfleet ships' computers has probably been
extensively researched to be the most understandable and least stress-inducing
possible. Although, I imagine Capt. Picard's blood pressure rises a couple of
points every time he hears Lwaxanna Troi's voice eminating from HIS computer!
:)

 

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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 11:08:00 EST
From: Jeffrey S. Payne <JSP6@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: deep review 9: "the emiss
Distribution: rec

In article <1993Jan8.3208.18989@dosgate>, "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
says:

> -=> Jorge Diaz babbled to All and look what he/she said! <=-

> >>>Spoilers follow, so beware...
> 

> >Lessen the mass using a shield of some kind?  Sorry, I don't buy it.
> >And I agree about the stupid bubble.

> JD> Hmmm.  I must have been getting the Coke when that part was mentioned.
> JD> I missed the "lessen the mass" part.  One other poster mentioned in
> JD> was once on another episode.

>They were trying to lower the station's inertial mass by creating a low
>level subspace field.  A subspace field is what propels ship into warp,
>and thus did lighten the ship.

The Enterprise uses a subspace field to reduce the inertial mass of the ship
so the impulse engines can move it (Its a real big ship...and impulse
engines are newtonian...) ...Sound familiar?  This is not a new concept,
just something the Cardassians didn't feel necessary when building the station.
(ref: ST-TNG Tech manual)

Jeff Payne
Penn State Ogontz Campus              |Bitnet:   JSP6@PSUVM
Computer Assisted Learning Center     |Internet: payne@toto.oz.psu.edu
"What else have you done? Telekinesis? Teleportation? Spontaneous
 combustion of someone you don't like? That sort of thing..."
       -Q to Amanda in "True Q", ST-TNG
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