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From: jgacker@news.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker)
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette--New Topic--PLEASE!!!
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 13:51:54 GMT

earhartgregm@bvc.edu wrote:
: obviously put too much thought into this discussion.  I motion that we move 
: to another topic, like who to vote for for the Sullivan award--my vote is 
: for Pablo.  Anyone second the motion?
: 
: Greg Earhart			 			Boys play basketball 
: Buena Vista College					    Men Wrestle
: Storm Lake, IA (But leaving for Paris tomorrow)		Only ANIMALS Swim!!!
: 
: 
: December 31st: 100x100s...what's your resolution?

	Barrowman...  I mean, how many times can a guy break a world
record already and not get noted?  Pablo's comeback was great, but
Barrowman has been on top of his event for four years.  Even Carl
Lewis can't match that.

	Jim Acker
	jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: ramos@engr.LaTech.edu (Alex Ramos)
Subject: Swimming team rankings?
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:36:06 GMT

Where can I find information on the rankings of city-sponsored
teams in the U.S. (or just Louisiana)?

Thanks in advance!
 
--

/* ramos@engr.Latech.edu                     
                                            
                Fala-se Portugues, tche!     
		English spoken here.
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From: lhhuang@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Larry Huang)
Subject: Re: Recommendations sought for books on swimming technique
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:25:42 GMT

In article <PAN.92Dec19214215@lurch.Stanford.EDU>, pan@lurch.Stanford.EDU (Doug Pan) writes:
> I'm interested in improving my freestyle technique and possibly other
> strokes as well.  I looked at the following books:
> 
>     1) Counsilman, The Science of Swimming, very good, but out of print
>     2) Thomas, Advanced Swimming, seems superficial
>     3) Kampmann, Competitive Swimming, looks good (other opinions?)
> 
> Would like to hear about your favorite books on swimming techniques.

Try _Swimming Faster_, a sort of modern version of Counsilman's book,
very detailed, scientific, and very complete.

Also there is _A Scientific Approach to the Sport of Swimming_.  Both of
these texts are available from _Swimming World_ magazine.

I heard that Counsilman is working on revising his book.  Anyone with
real information about this?

Larry
From: pabo@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Eric Pabo)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 22:10:34 GMT
Subject: Lane Etiquette
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming

Does anyone have a list of common etiquette for lane swimming that they
would care to post or send me?  I have switched pools recently and many
of the people in the lap lanes could benefit from some tips on lap
swimming etiquette.  Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Eric F Pabo
pabo@hpsmpa.lvld.hp.com
303-679-3947
From: hbtnn@usno06.nor.chevron.com (Brian Tanner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:33:33 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <1992Dec30.141923.26958@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, jgacker@news.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker) writes:
|> slp9k@cc.usu.edu wrote:
|> : While I think lane etiquette is anything but universal, here are some of
|> : rules that we use.  
|> : 
(stuff left out)
|> 
|> 7.  If there are only two people in the lane, SPLIT the lane.  Swim
|> circles if there are three or more.
|> 
|> 8.  To enter the lane, get in at one end and stand on the side
|> until you are sure the other swimmers know you are there.  Knowledgeable
|> swimmers will accomodate you, but don't want any surprises while
|> swimming backstroke!

Codicile to 7 and 8:
  If there are two people in a lane, check to see if they have split it
  BEFORE you get in and start swimming...

 This counts double if you plan to swim butterfly!  ;^)

Brian
hbtnn@usno06.nor.chevron.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: brekshyn@shearson.com (Bohdan Rekshynskyj)
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Reply-To: brekshyn@shearson.com
Organization: Ordinatio
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:15:27 GMT


Well, here's one "pre-lane" etiquette:

*) Take a shower before entering the pool!

It's included on our pool rules at New York University.  However the lifeguards
don't seem to strictly enforce it though.  Sigh.  Ick.


					Bohdan




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In article 62348@cc.usu.edu, slp9k@cc.usu.edu () writes:
>While I think lane etiquette is anything but universal, here are some of
>rules that we use.  
>
>In no particular order:
>
>1.  If the person behind you taps your feet, get out of the way.
>2.  When stopped at the wall, stay to one side so others can turn.
>3.  Don't "tailgate" people.
>4.  Don't speed up to pass someone and then slow back down so they
>    have to pass you back up.
>5.  Get in a lane with people of approximately your same speed, so 
>    others don't hold you up and you don't hold them up.
>6.  Don't stop in the middle of the pool.
>
>        I'm sure there are many variations depending on where you live,
>but that should be the basics.  Does anyone have any others? 
>
>
>
>-- 
>********************************************************************************
>Darrell Fuhriman          *    "Are you guys modern dudes?"
>SLP9K@CC.USU.EDU          *    "As opposed to neo-classical dudes?"
>                          *    "Or neandrethal dudes?"
>"Oh, just like an         *             --Exchange between my friends, myself
> orange cloud of          *               and some people from Clearfield, Utah
>light that just blows     *               with an abnormally large
>right out of it. Wow!"    *               amount of hair.
>********************************************************************************



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From: faunt@netcom.Netcom.COM (Doug Faunt N6TQS 510-655-8604)
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Organization: at home, in Oakland
	<1992Dec30.141923.26958@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:41:44 GMT


>7.  If there are only two people in the lane, SPLIT the lane.  Swim
> circles if there are three or more.

I disagree with this one.  I swim in a outdoor public pool that
usually has more than two people to the lane.  If there are two
people splitting the lane, and I'm the third who wants to enter, then
I have to wait until both swimmers have been informed that the pattern
is changing.  This can mean a COLD wait before I can start swimming.
I think it's more thoughtful to always swim in circles in this
situation, since changing the pattern is pretty disruptive. 

Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: jc@msc.edu (Carolyn Wasikowski)
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Organization: Minnesota Supercomputer Center, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:01:28 GMT

My personal pet peeve is when people forget this bit of etiquette:

9.  If you've been hanging out at the end of the lane and want to get swimming
	again, don't push off the wall directly in front of someone just about
	to do a flip turn (especially if that person is somewhat faster than
	you are).

-- 
jc@msc.edu                         "...and, whether or not clear to you,
                        no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should."
From: slp9k@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Date: 30 Dec 92 03:36:50 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

While I think lane etiquette is anything but universal, here are some of
rules that we use.  

In no particular order:

1.  If the person behind you taps your feet, get out of the way.
2.  When stopped at the wall, stay to one side so others can turn.
3.  Don't "tailgate" people.
4.  Don't speed up to pass someone and then slow back down so they
    have to pass you back up.
5.  Get in a lane with people of approximately your same speed, so 
    others don't hold you up and you don't hold them up.
6.  Don't stop in the middle of the pool.

        I'm sure there are many variations depending on where you live,
but that should be the basics.  Does anyone have any others? 



-- 
********************************************************************************
Darrell Fuhriman          *    "Are you guys modern dudes?"
SLP9K@CC.USU.EDU          *    "As opposed to neo-classical dudes?"
                          *    "Or neandrethal dudes?"
"Oh, just like an         *             --Exchange between my friends, myself
 orange cloud of          *               and some people from Clearfield, Utah
light that just blows     *               with an abnormally large
right out of it. Wow!"    *               amount of hair.
********************************************************************************
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: grd@faline..bellcore.com (Glen Diener)
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Reply-To: grd@faline.UUCP (Glen Diener)
Organization: Bellcore MRE
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 15:45:26 GMT


slp9k@cc.usu.edu wrote:
: While I think lane etiquette is anything but universal, here are some of
: rules that we use.  
: 
: In no particular order:
: 
: 1.  If the person behind you taps your feet, get out of the way.


Several years ago, a nationally-ranked 1500 swimmer I knew disagreed
with this piece of lane etiquette. His philosophy was that if someone
wants to pass you, then its up to them to swim around you.  "In a
workout, YOU are the most important person in the pool. If you slow
down, move over, or otherwise disturb your effort in the middle of,
say, a hard 200 to let someone pass, well then its not a hard 200
anymore."  Anyway, that was his attitude.  Perhaps that attitude
had something to do with why he was so successful...

-glen
From: earhartgregm@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette--New Topic--PLEASE!!!
Date: 31 Dec 92 01:28:54 CST
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1992Dec30.190146.4399@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>, jgacker@news.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker) writes:
> 
> Doug Faunt N6TQS 510-655-8604 (faunt@netcom.Netcom.COM) wrote:
> : 
> : >7.  If there are only two people in the lane, SPLIT the lane.  Swim
> : > circles if there are three or more.
> : 
> : I disagree with this one.  I swim in a outdoor public pool that
> : usually has more than two people to the lane.  If there are two
> : people splitting the lane, and I'm the third who wants to enter, then
> : I have to wait until both swimmers have been informed that the pattern
> : is changing.  This can mean a COLD wait before I can start swimming.
> : I think it's more thoughtful to always swim in circles in this
> : situation, since changing the pattern is pretty disruptive. 
> 
> 	I've swum in a lot of different pools around the country in
> my travels.  (The best situation is to find a team.)
> 	Rarely do two peoples swimming speeds coincide.  If there
> are ONLY two people, swimming circles is dumb compared to
> splitting the lane.
> 	When I've gone to a pool and joined another swimmer (now
> two in the lane) I tell them (stopping them once) that I'm
> joining them, and if another swimmer arrives, we'll switch to
> circles.
> 	If I see a third swimmer get in, I switch automatically.
> Knowledgeable swimmers cooperate and change quickly.  If the "split/two,
> circle/three" rule was observed widely, I believe it would work well.
> 
> 	I have, however, teamed up while circle swimming with another
> relatively fast swimmer when a very slow swimmer joined the lane (in
> a pool with no lap etiquette rules) to scare the h*ll out of said
> slow swimmer and get them into another lane.  It's more polite to
> make them realize they're in the wrong lane than to tell them --
> I think.
> 
> 	Jim Acker
> 	jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov

Ok, slow down here--maybe we are getting a lane that is too fast for us 
(oops, I mean, maybe we're getting in over our head.)  Some people have 
obviously put too much thought into this discussion.  I motion that we move 
to another topic, like who to vote for for the Sullivan award--my vote is 
for Pablo.  Anyone second the motion?

Greg Earhart			 			Boys play basketball 
Buena Vista College					    Men Wrestle
Storm Lake, IA (But leaving for Paris tomorrow)		Only ANIMALS Swim!!!


December 31st: 100x100s...what's your resolution?
From: tim@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Date: 30 Dec 92 20:37:11 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <1992Dec30.141923.26958@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> jgacker@news.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker) writes:
>slp9k@cc.usu.edu wrote:
   
>7.  If there are only two people in the lane, SPLIT the lane.  Swim
>circles if there are three or more.

7.5  If swimming circles, use a counterclockwise circuit in the northern
     hemisphere (to take advantage of the coriolis force) and conversely
     a clockwise circuit in the southern hemisphere.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: jgacker@news.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker)
Subject: Re: Lane Etiquette
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 14:19:23 GMT

slp9k@cc.usu.edu wrote:
: While I think lane etiquette is anything but universal, here are some of
: rules that we use.  
: 
: In no particular order:
: 
: 1.  If the person behind you taps your feet, get out of the way.
: 2.  When stopped at the wall, stay to one side so others can turn.
: 3.  Don't "tailgate" people.
: 4.  Don't speed up to pass someone and then slow back down so they
:     have to pass you back up.
: 5.  Get in a lane with people of approximately your same speed, so 
:     others don't hold you up and you don't hold them up.
: 6.  Don't stop in the middle of the pool.

7.  If there are only two people in the lane, SPLIT the lane.  Swim
circles if there are three or more.

8.  To enter the lane, get in at one end and stand on the side
until you are sure the other swimmers know you are there.  Knowledgeable
swimmers will accomodate you, but don't want any surprises while
swimming backstroke!

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: simpson@bnr.ca (Scott Simpson)
Subject: Re: Senators schedule and ticket info WANTED!
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:32:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.144207.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:
>Could someone send me the Ottawa Senators' home schedule for the month
>of March?  I'd really appreciate it.
>And how difficult is it to get tickets?  From scalpers or otherwise?
>Stephen Legge

I tried email, but it bounced (my email has been screwy lately...)

Anyway, here's the pertinents:

Monday,     1 March:  Winnipeg
Wednesday,  3 March:  Edmonton
Monday,     8 March:  Buffalo 
Saturday,  13 March:  Montreal 
Thursday,  25 March:  Pittsburgh
Sunday,    28 March:  Quebec

Tickets are pretty hard to come by, but here's info I posted earlier
this year which still stands (on the bright side, the legal ticket vendors
are being forced to offer more reasonable prices on tickets!):

  o  TicketMaster has 200 single-seats (and some pairs) for every Senators
     game available for purchase.  They come in all price ranges ($17-$84)
     and even if you can't get seats next to each other, you can frequently
     get seats that are one row in front of the other, but the same (or 
     close) seat numbers.  I picked up a dozen games for this year this way
     and I am yet to be dissapointed with my seat selection.  The phone
     number for TicketMaster is (613) 755-1111, or you can call the Sens' 
     Ticket Office direct at (613) 721-4300.  Both places take major credit 
     cards.

  o  Big Man Chappy Tours (I know, I know... nice name) is selling pairs (and 
     singles) for most games at a moderate markup (usually 5 or 10 bucks).  
     The advantage is that you can almost always get seats together, but the 
     cost for the "big" games can be quite extreme.  Their number in Ottawa is
     (613) 721-0749.  As an example, they appear to be selling tickets to
     Wednesday's 'Diques game for $30-$35 for $20-$30 tickets.

  o  PrimeTicket also is selling tickets to games, their number (613) 232-7691.

There are few scalpers around the Civic Centre, and it seems most games I go
to there are more buyers than sellers, particularly for Montreal, Toronto and
the better teams (well, DUH...).


Good luck,
That Scott Guy
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From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: WJHC: Team Sweden roster
Date: 23 Dec 92 13:59:34 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden


 1993 Swedish National Junior Team:

 GOAL
  1. Petter Ronnquist		Djurgarden
 35. Johan Mansson		Malmo

 DEFENSE
  2. Daniel Johansson		Rogle
  4. Johan Tornberg		Kiruna
  6. Edvin Frylen		Vasteras
  8. Kenny Jonsson		Rogle
 12. Niclas Havelid		AIK
 17. Hans Jonsson		MoDo
 29. Mikael Magnusson		Djurgarden

 FORWARDS
  9. Magnus Wernblom		MoDo
 10. Andreas Johansson		Farjestad
 11. Reine Rauhala		Leksand
 16. Mikael Hakansson		Djurgarden
 18. Mats Lindgren		Skelleftea
 19. Markus Naslund		MoDo
 20. Claes Eriksson		Farjestad
 21. Peter Forsberg		MoDo
 22. Andreas Salomonsson	MoDo
 23. Fredrik Lindqvist		Djurgarden
 24. Niklas Sundstrom		MoDo
 27. Roger Rosen		Mora
 32. Niklas Sundblad		AIK

 Coach: Tommy Tomth
 
--
 ((\\  //| Staffan Axelsson            
  \\  //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se    
\\_))//-|| contact for Swedish hockey  
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: "adam thompson" <adam.thompson@canrem.com>
Subject: league simulators
Reply-To: "adam thompson" <adam.thompson@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 21 Dec 92 13:37:27 EST

I was wondering if anyone might be able to help me find a hockey league
simulator for the IBM.  I don't just want a stats database for a pool,
but something that actually simulates game results, allows trades, etc.
almost identical to the actual NHL.  I've seen one for the Amiga, but I
can't find one for the IBM.  Could someone help me out?  Thanks alot.

                        Adam Thompson
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein)
Subject: Re: CIS (Soviet) Hockey League
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 02:05:59 GMT

Asumaa Mika Tapani writes:
>I have found information about CIS Hockey League.  I don't
>remember it's official name in Russian, but in English it
>is called International Hockey League (it's confusing because
>a league called IHL exists also in North America).

  In Czechoslovakia (soon-to-cease to exist) the second league,
compromising of teams from Bohemia and Moravia trying to enter 
the first league, was called Na'rodni' Hokejova' Liga.  
  The meaning of the words is also the same as the North American 
"NHL".

  But, fortunately, no one would confuse the Czech league with 
some puny little one in the Occident.

 - David

p.s.  What happened to CSKA?  I assume the reason for their
downfall is it being a military club--so now they have little 
money and perhaps lost the right to draft anyone without a military 
service--right?

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm not a native speaker of English, so I'm not sure what I wrote.
Flames will be ignored unless you post them in perfect Czech.
================================ - David (the metamathician) - ===
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra)
Subject: Re: rangers & devils penalties
Reply-To: dchhabra@stpl.UUCP (Deepak Chhabra)
Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 15:24:35 GMT

In article <1h8hhhINN9i8@phakt.usc.edu> dleslie@phakt.usc.edu (David Leslie) writes:
>
>What happened the other night? I just saw this box score:
>
>First period--Penalties--
>K.King, NYR, 1:48;
>Cirella, NYR, 1:48;
>Broten, NYR, 1:48;
>Wells, NYR, 1:48;
>Turcotte, NYR, 1:48;
>Fetisov, NJ, 1:48;
>Kasatonov, NJ, 1:48; 
>Semak, NJ, 1:48; 
>Holik, NJ, 1:48; 
>Zelepukin, NJ, 1:48; 
>
>
>Must have been a crowded penalty box!

This was the handiwork of one of my all-time hated referees, Andy Van 
Hellemond.  Apparently after a whistle there was some pushing and shoving, etc.
and Andy V.  decided to be an idiot and give everyone on the ice a 2-min
unsportsmanlike penalty.  For me, it's just another reason to dislike the 
twit.  I really can't figure out why the play-by-play guys, etc. keep saying
he's one of the NHL's premier officials...I think he sucks.

dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: Finnish Jr. League query.
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 17:34:19 GMT


With the World Jr. Tournament going on, I would guess that most of the
European Junior leagues take some time off.  I was wondering if anyone
had standings on how the Finnish Jr. League was doing, especially Tappara Jr.
(Ok, I admit it...my main reason is to find out about Teemu Numminen, but
I might as well get the whole ball of wax.  :)

Also, if people can post the rosters for the teams at the WJHC, I'd appreciate
it.


Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets 
Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca -or- daryl.turner@mailbox.bison.mb.ca 
FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4  (please route through 348/700)
Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Selanne, he shoots, he scores! 
The Jets win the Cup!  The Jets win the Cup!
Essensa for Vezina!  Housley for Norris!  Selanne for Calder!
From: glc39@booth.usask.ca (Glenn Chin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: WJHC: Stats
Date: 24 Dec 1992 16:50:38 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Dec23.151144.6448@ericsson.se>:
:  All Time Standings for WJHC.
: 
: 			Yrs GP   W  T  L    GF-GA   Pts
: 			--- ---  -- -- --  -------  ---
:  1. USSR/CIS  	19  116  99  4 13  740-270  202
:  2. Canada		19  114  73 13 28  631-353  159
:  3. Czechoslovakia	19  122  65 15 42  611-401  145
:  4. Sweden		19  123  66 10 47  600-417  142
:  5. Finland		19  122  64 11 47  601-427  139
:  6. USA		18  117  42  4 71  404-554   88

Prior to, I believe, 1982, Canada sent a club team to the WJHC.  Since
then, we have sent all-star teams that consisted of most of our best under-20
players.  With the development of hockey in USA and Europe (outside ex-USSR), we
can no longer play with under-20 players who are not yet ready for the NHL and
expect to do very well.

I think the gap in the cumulative standings since 1982 between USSR/CIS and
Canada is narrower.

Glenn