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From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Date: 20 Aug 92 00:19:14 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven

In article <1992Aug19.141416.17804@menudo.uh.edu> moore@uhibpd.phys.uh.edu (Lorra L. Moore) writes:
>really?  will they care for this mother and the child until the child is
>18?  Or do we just support the mothers until the child is born and then
>toss them back out onto the streets to fend for themselves and their
>child?  

Not exactly.

What the Church does is care for the mother and unborn child until the 
child is born.  Mom is sent along and child is put up for adoption by
Catholic Charities or something.  I don't think anyone is turned out into
the streets.

-- 
"There is nothing to history.  No progress,          | Paul Hutmacher 
 no justice. There is nothing but random horror."    | Houston, Texas
"Jupiter" in _The Difference Engine_ Gibson/Sterling | paul@xcluud.sccsi.com
Newsgroups: houston.general
From: cosc176t@menudo.uh.edu (Jason Asbahr)
Subject: Houston Unix Group Meeting
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 01:50:31 GMT


Greets, all...

Anyone know when the next Houston Unix Users Group meeting will
be held?  (Hounix?)  Where is it being held? Is there a cost to 
attend a meeting?  

Thanks!

-- 
Jason Asbahr                           116 E. Edgebrook #603
asbahr@uh.edu                          Houston, Texas  77034
next@tree.egr.uh.edu   (NeXTmail)      (713) 941-8294  voice (summer)
asbahr@tree.egr.uh.edu (NeXTmail)      UH NeXT Campus Consultant
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From: paco@cs.rice.edu (Paul Havlak)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 18 Aug 92 17:30:28 GMT
	<1992Aug17.232131.9555@NeoSoft.com> <Bt6pEy.FBz@rice.edu>
Reply-To: Paul Havlak <paco@cs.rice.edu>
Distribution: tx
Organization: Center for Research on Parallel Computations

In article <Bt6pEy.FBz@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Rob Butera) writes:
>...  Publicity is what it comes down to.  Personally, I'm willing to
>bet that if a few clinics planned ahead and just shut down for a week, the 
>OR people would have nothing to protest and would move to another 'target'.

    Um, I don't think so.  If clinics shut down, then OR has succeeded
in limiting women's access to abortion.  This "victory" would
encourage them.
    Besides, why should we deflect OR from well-defended clinics?  If
they're going to try to close clinics, let them try and fail.  (Both
from the efforts of the police *and* of non-violent clinic defenders.)
Let them have their publicity as violent but ineffective fanatics.
*That* will discourage OR.

--paco
--
Paul Havlak			Dept. of Computer Science
Graduate Student		Rice University, Houston TX 77251-1892
PFC/ParaScope projects		(713) 527-8101 x2738 	paco@cs.rice.edu
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From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:04:35 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900

In article <1992Aug19.040828.3489@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamsun.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:
>Well, we're not perfect, but we're trying. 

	I'm impressed with all of your posts on this topic, and I've 
learned a lot. Keep it up. Thanks.
 


-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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"They say 'David, what shall I do? They wait for me in the hallway'.
I say 'Don't ask me- I don't know any hallways."- David Bowie, "Scary Monsters"
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From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.general,tx.politics,rice.galor,rice.general
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:58:39 GMT
Followup-To: tx.politics
Distribution: tx
Organization: Rice University

In <lots of articles> lots of people write
stuff about abortion.

Could y'all PLEASE take out all the inappropriate groups if you're going
to follow up with political discussion?

The original announcement was fine but the discussion of who's more
fanatic and who is trying to use loaded words to twist statements
definitely doesn't belong in rice.general, and I don't think it belongs
in rice.galor, houston.general, or tx.general.  Please take it to
tx.politics.  If anyone really feels a need for a Rice-specific group
to be included, use rice.politics.  Thanks.

I'm beginning to think that if I ever have a politically oriented
announcment to make, I should put in Followup-To: <foo>.politics,
because a discussion invariably follows...

P.S.  The same request applies to the car-licensing discussion going
on in tx.general.  It's gone political and needs to be moved.

	Cathy
	speaking for myself only
-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
Actually I'm not clueless.  I'm conceptually challenged.
Important rule for out-and-back rides:  what goes down must come up.
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Re: Advice from a cop
Date: 18 Aug 1992 14:17:06 GMT
Distribution: houston
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <18AUG199206303017@jetson.uh.edu> citer@jetson.uh.edu (Sanders, Raymond L.) writes:
>In article <7135@lib.tmc.edu>, drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) writes...
>>A friend who's a Houston cop offered this advice: Get yourself a gun and be
>>prepared to defend your property this week, because HPD won't be able to.
>Guns, guns!  Always guns are the answer to every problem.

OK...so what do you propose as the answer to a burglar in your house? Handguns
aren't Politically Correct, but they do work well.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
  "Anything that an F-4 can outturn is not maneuverable." -- Mary Shafer
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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.general,tx.politics,rice.galor,rice.general,rice.comp
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:11:09 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug17.232131.9555@NeoSoft.com> jbrandt@NeoSoft.com (J Brandt) writes:
>"Having their say" isn't really the issue.  I'm in favor of people saying
>whatever they want.  I just don't want them physically forcing people to
>remain pregnant.

You don't have any problem, of course, with someone physically forcing
someone to become dead.

>It's hard to say who causes OR to make the news.  

The news media.  The know it's a hot issue.

>They would probably
>be content to harrass clinic customers and shut down the clinics without
>making any news if no one stood in the way.  I could care less what 
>fanatics do in their spare time as long as they leave other people alone.

>Booting someone out of Houston is too ambitious.  But if we can 
>separate OR people screaming "murderer" and "baby killer" from people who
>have a right to use the clinics, I'll be satisfied.

Good luck.  They're pretty serious people.

>I'd actually prefer that the police do it, but they haven't been able to
>in the past.

Only be sure that if there is a God, and if he has sent them, then they
will be very difficult to overcome.

:-)
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    "This must be Thursday.  I never could get the hang of Thursdays"
                                                       - D Adams
  - Patrick Taylor
    Ericsson Network Systems
    exuptr@exu.ericsson.se                       "Don't let the .se fool you"
    alternately, exuptr@ZGNews.Lonestar.Org
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From: homer@korova.uucp (Homer The Brave)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.general
Subject: Re: Where is the IKEA?
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:47:03 GMT
Organization: VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783

bell@cs.tamu.edu (Will Bell) sez:

>Being a great fan of IKEA, I'd like to visit the one I've heard has 
opened
>in Houston.  Would someone be kind enough to tell me where it is  (we're
>obviously not from Houston).  Directions to get there from, say, hwy 290
>would be appreciated too.

Ok, you're coming south on 290. Eventually 290 will disappear into the 
610 loop.. this is a tricky intersection for the uninitiated; westbound 
is the right lanes, southbound is the left lanes. You want to go south, 
so get to the left.

You're on 610 going south now. You see a big shopping mall on your right. 
There's lots of traffic. You're lucky to be moving at all. :)

After you pass the big castle-thingie, hang a right and head westbound on 
I-10. Note that the second bridge you pass under after you're on I-10 
comes down in the middle of the highway; this is the infamous HOV lane. 
Take pictures. Its the thing that makes Houston's mass transit authority 
the laughing stock of the universe.

Ok.. after you're on I-10, you need to take the first exit. I believe its 
the Silber exit... But if you miss it you can do a U-turn and end up at 
IKEA anyway. IKEA is the big butt-ugly blue building on the north side of 
the freeway, to  your right. Just find the parking lot entrance and pull 
on in. You're there.

And if you listen carefully, you can hear the ghost of St0r running 
barefoot through the sofa section..

Now, why would anyone want to make a trip from College Station to see 
IKEA?

--
              VHF void tube of the mind (713) 492-2783
        "where you can find the Zeta Greys SAFEWAYING themselves
                into the WONDERBREAD *heart* of America!"
Newsgroups: houston.general
From: kossack@taronga.com (Jordan M. Kossack)
Subject: Re: Lunch bunch
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Distribution: houston
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:16:17 GMT

corywest@rice.edu (Cory West) writes:
- In article <FOO!> sbyrnes@rice.edu (Steven Byrnes) writes:
- >  So, what do y'all think?
- 
- 	I'll bring the raw vegetables :-).
- 
	Bring radishes ... we'll raise some welts.   >:-)   


-- 
  kossack@taronga.com  |  "One has a moral responsibility  
  Jordan M Kossack     |      to disobey unjust laws."    
  +1 713 240 2073      |   -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
From: bert@medley.ssdl.com (Bert Medley  )
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Re: Houston Unix Group Meeting
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:13:52 GMT
Distribution: houston
Organization: Medley's Homestyle Waffle

cosc176t@menudo.uh.edu (Jason Asbahr) writes:

> 
> Greets, all...
> 
> Anyone know when the next Houston Unix Users Group meeting will
> be held?  (Hounix?)  Where is it being held? Is there a cost to 
> attend a meeting?  
> 
> Thanks!
> 

The general meeting is held the 3rd Tuesday of every month so the meeting is
tonight.  The sysadmin meeting is on the next week;s Wednesday.


--
Bert Medley              !
bert@medley.ssdl.com     !
From: cosc16tt@menudo.uh.edu (Dennis Gray Jr.)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Re: Advice from a cop
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:29:34 GMT
Reply-To: DGray@uh.edu
Organization: /posole/cosc16tt/.organization

In article <7135@lib.tmc.edu> drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez) writes:

   A friend who's a Houston cop offered this advice: Get yourself a gun and be
   prepared to defend your property this week, because HPD won't be able to.

   I'd be curious to see if there's any variation in local crime this week.

Of course there will be some variation in the local crime.  The thing
is, it is not a good idea for cops to go around saying for people to
go out and buy guns.  There is nothing wrong with people buying guns,
and I will be the first to tell you to go and do so.  However, after
you buy this gun you most definately need lots of training with
handling guns and using them safely.  There are a miriad of legal
issues to be considered with gun ownership and responsibilities.  So,
please do not go out and buy a gun just for the convention.  If you
are concerned about your safety call the NRA and get some help with
getting a gun.

-dennis
--
Dennis Gray, Jr.                 "What the hell were you doing???"

DGray@uh.edu                   "Attempting the hell to communicate."
                                     -from The Voyage Home
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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.general,tx.politics,rice.galor,rice.general,rice.comp
Subject: Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you
Date: 20 Aug 92 22:05:53 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug19.151943.7035@texhrc.uucp> ak45ldp@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes:
>That is just the point. OR does not hold lawful protests.  They use assault,
>force, and violence to acheive their ends.  Actually the OR people are not
>as bad as the Lambs of Christ, a small non-lamblike group.  I have been in
>the lines at Planned Parenthood.  I saw the violence and hatred in those 
>christian faces people.

>Sorry, I was there and that is simply not true.  First they pray and then 
>they violently attack.  An interesting pattern.  There is nothing peaceful
>about their tactics or their intentions.

Sorry, I am a little out of touch with the news.  What was the nature of the 
violence?
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    "This must be Thursday.  I never could get the hang of Thursdays"
                                                       - D Adams
  - Patrick Taylor
    Ericsson Network Systems
    exuptr@exu.ericsson.se                       "Don't let the .se fool you"
    alternately, exuptr@ZGNews.Lonestar.Org
Newsgroups: houston.general
From: jbrandt@NeoSoft.com (J Brandt)
Subject: Re: Pro-choice action, rallies
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Distribution: houston
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 02:21:11 GMT

> |CLINIC DEFENSES
> |    I've done this the last two mornings, and haven't seen any
> |confrontations yet, although things could get worse.
> 
I did clinic defense all week last week and found the whole experience to
be interesting.  If you happen to be pro-choice, it's an easy way to put
your time or money where your mouth is.  The clinic patients who
understand what is going on are appreciative, you get to learn some very
effective and well-organized non-violent resistance strategy and methods,
and there is plenty of time in between confrontations to get to know
people who share your views, including some very powerful women.  
  
I spent most of the week at the Hillcroft Clinic, which saw action.  While
the Operations Rescue idiots were demonstrating, the news media showed up
in droves.  Kathryn Spillman and Patricia Ireland (president of NOW and
good public speaker) also showed up to help.
  
The Houston Defending Choice leaders provide training, and the defense
activities are very effective in keeping the clinic open and functioning
while not giving extra support to Operation Rescue by helping them to get
arrested.
  
> So far at least, you are more likely to get into arguments with
> pro-choice folks over whether to express your opinions peacefully or
> violently.  Be prepared for "friendly fire".  (In sum: Houston
> Defending Choice, who is organizing the whole thing, are there for
> clinic defense and patient escort, and that's all.  The militant
> Revolutionary Communist Party and National Women's Rights Organizing
> Coalition are there to beat the stuffing out of Operation Rescue
> people.)
  
My view is that NROC and the other non-non-violent people implicitly help
Operation Rescue by increasing the media attention that OR gets and by
adding enormous confusion to an already tense situation.  They also scare
away the clinic patients.  When someone from NROC and OR get into a
shouting match or a fight, all of the tv cameras immediately zoom in on
that one confrontation, and the only message that gets communicated is
that it's a big fight.  The central issue, whether women are able to
receive clinic services or not, is completely obscured.
  
If you want to find out how you can help, call the Houston Defending
Choice hotline (981-2884).  Even showing up at a clinic before work is
helpful.  If you would like to help but don't have time to do clinic
defense, you can write a check payable to Houston Defending Choice and 
send it to Planned Parenthood.
-- 
Jaclyn Brandt
jbrandt@NeoSoft.com
--
From: paco@cs.rice.edu (Paul Havlak)
Newsgroups: houston.general
Subject: Pro-choice action, rallies
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:51:57 GMT
Reply-To: Paul Havlak <paco@cs.rice.edu>
Distribution: houston
Organization: Center for Research on Parallel Computations


    If you're pro-choice and want to show it, there are tons of
activities this week, ranging from clinic defense to rallies with
entertainment.
    (If you're not, let's please not argue the point here -- just post
your own events, and take the arguments elsewhere -- e.g., tx.politics,
talk.abortion.)

CLINIC DEFENSES

    The Houston Press has a full page add this week (August 13, p.
70), on how to hook up with the clinic defenders.  Briefly, show up at
one of the mobilization centers by 5 a.m. -- for the first day at
least, so you can be trained.  After that, it's not too bad to show up
a bit later.  The centers are:

	Southwest/West Houston
		West Loop Clinic		5607 Schumacher

	Inner Loop/Downtown
		Houston Women's Clinic		4820 San Jacinto

		Coleman's Women's Center      \	5445 Almeda 
		A to Z Women's Health Services/	in the Almeda Med. Ctr. Bldg.

	North Houston -- Champions/Spring
		Women's Medical Center
		of Northwest Houston		17070 Red Oak

	Southeast Houston/Pasadena
		Gulf Coast Women's Clinic	913 E. Curtis, Pasadena

    I've done this the last two mornings, and haven't seen any
confrontations yet, although things could get worse.  You don't have
to be there all day, just as long as you can.  I've been bailing out
between 9 and 10 each morning, for example, and it hasn't affected my
work at (yawn) all (zzzzzzzzzzzz).
    The point is to defend the clinics and guarantee access by
patients, not to engage in arguments with anti-choice folks (I had to
be reminded!).
    Oh, and be prepared -- bring sunblock, visor or hat, NO purses or
backpacks (hip pouches ok), snacks and water if possible, NO sandles.

RALLIES
	At Murworth and Kirby (designated convention protest site)

		Saturday, 15 August, 3-7 p.m.: rally, sponsorship
			unknown to me

		Wednesday, 19 August, 7-9 p.m.: rally, sponsored by
			TARAL/NARAL

	At Market Square downtown:

		M-W, 17-19 August, 7:30 p.m.-?, Women's Action Coalition
			"Women Ignite" program, includes Laurie
			Anderson and other artists starting at 8 p.m.

    Other stuff -- see this week's Press or another newspaper.
There's really a lot going on, and we need to show how out-of-touch
the Republican leadership is on this (and other) issues.

regards,
paco
--
Paul Havlak			Dept. of Computer Science
Graduate Student		Rice University, Houston TX 77251-1892
PFC/ParaScope projects		(713) 527-8101 x2738 	paco@cs.rice.edu
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From: moore@uhibpd.phys.uh.edu (Lorra L. Moore)
Newsgroups: houston.general,tx.politics,rice.politics
Subject: Re: Anti-choice vs. Pro-abortion (was Re: Houston Defending Choice Coalition needs you)
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:40:33 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <1992Aug20.000853.12407@cactus.org> rdd@cactus.org (Robert Dorsett) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.141416.17804@menudo.uh.edu> moore@uhibpd.phys.uh.edu (Lorra L. Moore) writes:
>>really?  will they care for this mother and the child until the child is
>>18?  Or do we just support the mothers until the child is born and then
>>toss them back out onto the streets to fend for themselves and their
>>child?  
>>
>>>I would highly suggest that you look deeper into the pro-life cause
>>>before you universally brand us as uncaring.
>>
>>I have one more 'I will agree with a prolife sentiment when,'  when
>>there isn't one more child on the face of this planet that starves to
>>death, or sits in a orphanage wanting with all its heart to have loving
>>parents, when there isn't one more unwanted child born into a family.
>
>Being unhappy or poor isn't punishable by death, the last time I checked.

What a great life to commit a child to.  You are really sick.  Do you
enjoy watching people suffer in misery?  Do you like hanging around
ghettos and the wards watching people beg and debase themselves?  Do you
get off to it?

Have you ever talked to these people?  Have you ever asked them if they
are glad that they are alive?  Have you ever sat and talked to someone
that is suicidal because all their lives they were abused and unwanted?

Do you really sit in your little glass house and think 'they are really
just glad to be alive'.... 

I think we have gotten into the basic difference.  I am not christian
and the constitution of this country gives me that freedom.  

I don't believe that having an abortion damns a soul to eternal
nothingness, I believe that it allows that soul to move onto another
vessel that, perhaps, will dwell under better circumstances.  In my
belief, allowing an unwanted child to be born is damning that soul to a
lifetime of misery, unnecessary misery.

So, it really comes down to this, if you believe that you are damning a
soul to eternal nothingness, then don't have an abortion.  That is your
choice and you can practice your beliefs all you want.  My beliefs,
which are supposedly protected in this country, consider it an
abomination against my higher power to not have an abortion if the
pregnancy is not planned on and desired.

Lorra
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