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From: doctor@k9.UUCP (Paul Broe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:31:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: k9.doctor.017n
Organization: You have to be kidding...
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In article <1992Jul22.025609.11779@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>    Not quite.  AmigaOS runs very well on an A2000 with a 14Mhz 68020
> accelerator, 4M of RAM, and 40M SCSI hard drive.  No modern versions of UNIX
> will run at all on such a system, because it lacks an MMU, doesn't have enough
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^

If you are referring to the A2620, you are wrong. Ask someone who owns one. :-)
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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Obituary [Amiga's] in Silicon Valley newspaper
Distribution: world
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Date: 21 Jul 92 19:58:48 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <62533@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
> In case anyone's interested, the Washington Post reprinted the
> article in the Monday business section (that's the big business section
> for the week).
>
> How ironic that a few years back, the only coverage the Amiga received
> was by Brit Hume in his computer column in the Post. And now, an
> article saying "the Amiga is dead".
>

How Ironic that a few years back, Byte Magazine featured the A3000UX
and rated it as a decent Unix machine.  Not any more.  Just a few
years further back, and Byte had 2 RAVE review articles of the Amiga
hardware and its OS.

> I told my local dealer he should sent he Post a letter of thank you
> for making sure his sales go even lower than they are.

I pitched an Amiga project to a very big software publisher in the US.
They said NO, we don't expect the Amiga to be around next year.

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Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Well, Jerry Pournell says that there is a new amiga
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 22:03:50 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

If Jerry was suckered in by the Slu Aspik post, it would be poetic
justice.
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: C= speaks!!! let's spread the words!!!
Date: 30 Jul 92 17:31:30 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Mike_Whalen@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Mike Whalen) writes:

>  But Greg.. how long has it been since they have said anything? That
>letter was damage control (as someone else pointed out).

>  Look at Apple? They released 3 Powerbooks, the Mac Classic (or one really
>low-end machine.. I am not sure that was the name), an LC II, Quadras
>700,900, and 950 ALL IN ONE YEAR!

Furthermore, they are going to introduce several more models very soon!

>  What have we seen in a year?

I am hoping C= will have something remotely impressive to show in
Sept.  (meanwhile, I hope they would consider dropping the price of
all the existing Amiga.  When I say dropping the price, I mean something
dramatic... us$1200 for a bare-bone A2000 is insane)
(one can buy a Mac LC2 for the same price nowadays).

>  You are right.. for now. I honestly can't agree that if we stay exactly
>the way we are, we are going to be the king of video forever.

I flipped through several Video Magazines, and I seldom find any articles
on the Amiga.  They have various articles on using the Macs to produce
videos, but nothing on the Amiga.  The only Amiga-related things I have
seen on Video magazines are various advertisements of DCTV, VideoToasters, etc.


Don't get me wrong, I still like my Amiga.  Nonetheless, I am not bitching
for no reasons.  Amiga's technology is still considered as "modern" today.
However, if C= doesn't actively improve the Amiga, the Amiga might not have
much of a future.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
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From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: AmigaDroids will *never* change
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:57:52 GMT

pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro) writes:
: Not if you want the best performance.  You need to add memory to the
: CPU local bus unless you want to slow down your CPU, and hog up the
: I/O bus to boot.  As I understand it, most of the huge memory
: expansion products we hear about for the Amiga involve a card that
: sits on the Zorro III I/O bus.  In comparison, many 486 systems allow
: up to 64MB either directly on the motherboard on on a special memory
: daughtercard.

Except that Zorro III can HANDLE that, and you're not really going to
slow down your CPU.  This isn't a "Ram card on ISA bus" issue, here.
There won't be a difference.  Zorro III ram cards work well.

: But I agree that very few people need these huge amounts of memory, at
: least for now.  Certainly 16MB should be sufficient for most purposes,
: even when running a big OS like UNIX.

Very true.

Greg

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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: Marc Barrett is irrelevant. Atari Falcon is REAL
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:36:16 GMT

philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:

>The bottom line is that the NeXT gives you the benefits of Unix/Mach and
>allows novices to thrive on it. The Mac simply doesn't do it. Under the
>Mac OS you lose the capability to run things like S+ (the main research
>tool for data analysis, graphical analyses, etc...used by statisticians
>and other applied mathematical types).

  I think the point is that most Macs don't have the computing power
of workstations, so things like S+ are unlikely to be ported to them.
For example, how many S+ users are there who don't have access to
some high-powered workstation?  If I wanted to do statistical analysis, 
and I had a choice of a command-line oriented version on a Mac, 
and a command-line oriented version on a IBM RS/6000, I'd choose
the RS/6000 every time.
  People like SAS have got it right.  You provide a nice interface
program on a Mac, and leave the grunt power to a workstation program.
Similarly, lots of people run Mathematica front-ends on Macs, but
run the kernel on one of the available 30 SPEC workstations.
  People just wouldn't buy S+ for their Mac LC II (forgetting about
the cost!) even if it were available.  They might buy a nice Mac front
end to an S+ kernel which their institution has licensed though...

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From: foax@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: C= speaks!!! let's spread the words!!!
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:29:41 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Jul30.095149.847@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de>,
mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes: 
> In <1992Jul29.231420.20061@news.iastate.edu>
> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>make making gate array chips almost trivial).  Just about the only chip that
>>is really anything special in the A3000 is the Amber display enhancer chip.
> 
> Tell me _anything_ that is then special in a PC or Mac ? Nothing ? Right.
> The most exciting thing in a PC is the motherboard chipset which is nothing
> more complex than the gate arrays in the A3000. The most exciting thing
> in a MacIIfx is the 6502-alike that handles keyboard I/O.

Depends how you define "exciting", and whether you're talking about the
motherboard or slots.  I'd say the 486 by itself is pretty exciting
(faster CPU's always are), considering that the A3000 only has a 68030.
But you may not agree with that, and I'd understand.  Let's go to cards,
since the widespread availability of inexpensive cards which are widely
supported is quite a strength, too.  How about the SoundBlaster, with
22 8-bit voices, for $100?  (vs. 8 8-bit voices on the Amiga).  (I'm
not going to mention the higher-end cards, as they're not standard yet.)
Or the 16-bit graphic accelerator cards running at tens of MHz that can
handle 1024x768x8-bit graphics, and that cost only a few hundred?  These
are now widely supported by Windows.  Those strike me as pretty exciting.

I'm not going to mention the Mac, as I think it is way overpriced.
--Colin Howell			email@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu
--Cornell Astronomy Dept.	(hopefully switching to computer science)
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From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Whassa 32-bit OS?  (was Re: Amigas are coool)
Summary: A simple explanation
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:44:24 GMT
Reply-To: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Organization: BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED

In article <36173@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> djohnson@ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:
>>Just curious... is AmigaDOS 2.0 a 32 bit OS?
>Just curious...  I've only got a MS in computer science so before
>I finish my PhD, could someone tell me what a 32 bit OS is?

	An operating system that can fit and run completely in 32 bits
(4 bytes) of space.  One well-known example is BS/2, the operating system
used for in-house development at BLAZEMONGER INCORPORATED.

                                                        Dan

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ps:	Gleeep is ALMOST HERE.  Just you wait.
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From: torrie@cs.stanford.edu (Evan Torrie)
Subject: Re: DEC/Commodore Agreement
Originator: torrie@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: comp
Date: 22 Jul 92 06:21:23 GMT

foax@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>I think DEC is gradually abandoning VMS in favor of OSF/1 (the Open
>Software Foundation's version of UNIX).

  Probably even faster now that Ken Olsen is going (the infamous
"snake oil" quote still makes me laugh).
  DEC must still be counting on VMS for a while.  They keep claiming
there's this thing called OpenVMS (whatever that means).  

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From: brycerw@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: C= speaks!!! let's spread the words!!!
Date: 29 Jul 92 19:26:11 GMT
 <1992Jul28.180653.5280@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> <1992Jul28.210523.20896@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Jul28.210523.20896@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Elizabeth E Sack) writes:
> If Commodore expects me to do their advertising work for them, then I expect to
> be compensated in some way.  Commodore has, for almost 8 years, relied entirely
> on very enthusiastic Amiga owners to do their advertising work for them. I
> have personally done my share.  I am now quite sick of it.  If Commodore expects
> us to adverise for them, then they need to provide us with more information.
> Sure there are new machines right around the corner, but C= acts like they don't
> exist!  Why should we save Commodores *SS *AGAIN* for no apparent reason?
> 
> I love my Amiga.  It is the best machine I work on (and I work on PCs and Macs
> also).  I am just sick of Commodore!  The best thing that could happen to the
> Amiga now is to have another company (one that knows the definition of the word
> 'advertise') buy out the rights to it and market it for all it is worth!!!!

Can you say 'Microsoft'?  NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

--Rob
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: I am giving up on the Amiga
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 25 Jul 92 03:44:19 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Jul24.200256.4933@msi.com> bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras) writes:
> al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila) writes:
> : ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
> :
> : >	Have you taken a look at IBM's OS/2 2.0 OS?  It does a lot of the
> : >  things you want much better then Windows.  It does require a little more
> : >  hardware to run then Windows though.
> : >
> :
> :    Besides being out of the discussion point, if half-OS (OS/2) need
> : a *little* more hardware to run than windows, then it needs much more
> : hardware to run (just to run!) than AmigaDOS 2.04. And period. Don't
> : start saying "You haven't seen it run!!" blah blah blah, you CAN'T
> : install it in a machine that's less than a 386DX-33 and hope for it to
> : run at an acceptable speed, but AmigaDOS can. You can't install it on a
> : machine with a 60Mb hard disk and hope to have enough disk space free
> : for some apps, and AmigaDOS can.
>
> Ahhh more Amigoid OS/2 bullshit.  Have you seen it run?  From what I've
> heard, a 386SX-20 w/8MB RAM runs OS/2 2.0 quite well.  If you just want
> the base operating system, DOS but no Windows, no extra applications that
> you don't need or system tools you don't understand, OS/2 2.0 would fit
> quite nicely on a 60MB Drive.
>

OS/2 (full loaded system) and Turbo C++ 3.1 do not fit on a 60MB drive together.


> : End of discussion.
>
> Only because you're afraid of the facts.  Or possibly you don't care
> about facts, just speculation.  Yeah that's it. :-0
>
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Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: ! Pournelle [sic] says that there is a new amiga !
Date: 27 Jul 92 17:38:39 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:

>In article <0eQNm4600XNI1NmFA0@cs.cmu.edu> Michael.Witbrock@cs.cmu.edu writes:

>>Well, I was looking in a copy of BYTE in a bookstore, and I looked at
>>the list of topics (not the index, the other list), which I do, rather
>>forlornly, out of habit, and lo and behold, the word "AMIGA" was on the
>>list. So I turned to the page mentioned, and it was Pournelle's
>>``column''. I searched, and near the end, I found about two sentences to
>>the effect that: His next column would be about the state of amigas, and
>>that he had recieved a *new Amiga* just the previous week. 
>>O.K. that's what it said. Fire up the rumour mills.

>If there is a God, please let it not be an A600.

Guys... would it be that "video-ready" Amiga2000HD<whatever> that
C= is advertisting now?  well, reviewing that "new" Amiga is obviously
not as exciting as hearing about the rumored Amigas.  Nonetheless, 
it does have an 030 and 100HD... (hey, reviewing it is better than
reviewing the A600!) 

What do you folks think?

>Mark

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin


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From: sjc28473@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven Joseph Chmura)
Subject: Memory Protection-Why not?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:15:09 GMT

While I am sure this has been discussed before, my  curiosity still
requires me to ask this simple question:  why is it considered virtually
impossible to add memory protection to AmigaDos?  While implemeting something
like OS/2  would be incredibly difficult, why not just make a new set of
processes that would be protected or READ-ONLY?  Could this not
be done in the same manner that the SUperKickstart image is protected
from being trampled on by a poorly written screen blanker?

             
Just curiousa......

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							MD-2-B
From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Distribution of Products.....
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:25:04 GMT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

re article by Gregory R. Block -- GVP tends to do its products in-house,
and it apparently intends to do all products in-house for the forseeable
future.  You might be thinking of Progressive Peripherals, which is alleged
to have not treated some of the developers whose products it marketed well
[there was a discussion some months ago in comp.sys.amiga.graphics, I
think, and I think further that it was William Coldwell posting the
relevant articles]. 


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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: DEC/Commodore Agreement
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:54:48 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <kehlet.05od@kehlet.adsp.sub.org> kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet) writes:
> In article <1992Jul21.002259.2979@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
> > In article <kehlet.05la@kehlet.adsp.sub.org> kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org
> > (Jesper Kehlet) writes:
> > >Windows/NT isn't that great an OS to put into any other machine than the
> > >Intel-based, so why bother?
> >
> > Windows NT has largely been developed to be platform independent. From what I
> > understand however, its requirements make the Alpha more of a necessity than
> > anything.
>
> W/NT has been announced as a very efficient enhancement of Windows/386,
> that should support OS/2 specific applications and incorporate the best
> from the UNIX world.
>
> Now, as I see it, 386-enhancments and OS/2 compatibility most certainly
> requires an Intel-processor, still MS claiming it to be platform
> independent!  In their dreams, I say!!!
>

OS/2 IS the OS that the PC world needs.  That is very clear.  However,
OS/2 has a lot of things against it.  First, it is an IBM product.  People
do not buy IBM products in droves anymore - clones are not made by IBM.
Second, OS/2 has the responsibility of upgrading to match windows and
windows NT in compatibility areas.  The big developers are developing
for windows first, and some of the best windows Apps do not work that
well with OS/2 2.0 as it is.  Third, MicroSoft wrote windows and also
does many many apps for clones.  And MS has never ever been polite with
how their software works - they will force IBM to dance even more with
OS/2 releases...

Windows NT is a microsoft product (and others, too).  It also does
multitasking (desparately needed), but OS/2 does it better (if not
perfect).

--
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Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
1124 Fremont Ave.
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From: leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 386SX Bridgeboard Pricing
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:46:34 GMT
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.

$500 U.S. sounds slightly more reasonable... only, considering that
386sx-20 motherboards, built by clone makers (obviously not superhigh
volume) cost $150 U.S. or less.  Price should be around $275 for
the bridgeboard...

Thom
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From: catapcnl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Chris Lawrence)
Subject: Re: I DID giev up on the Amiga!
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:36:41 GMT

Distribution: World

In article <1992Jul22.054816.8371@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R  
Block) writes:
:mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
:: Would anyone else out there in AmigaLand like an Amiga laptop?  How about 2
:
:Yes.  I'd like a 68000-based laptop, if I could.
:
:Greg
:
Ditto for me...
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