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From: jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov)
Subject: San Diego ComiCon
Summary: See Following
Keywords: ComiCon, Good Grub, Excitement & Adventure, El Salad
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:00:11 GMT

8o ooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOoooo!  Spookeeee..!  There's nobody heeeere...
I have the a.f.m-j board all to myself...  Blahahahahaaaaaa!!!!

(and this guy directs movies)  [directED]

Anybody going to the San Diego ComiCon this August 14th weekend?

I envy you.  For you will be only hours away from what the Societe
Gastronome de Paris proclaimed "the finest example of North American
cuisine in the past 50 years".

The Caesar Salad.

I kid thee not.  It was created in downtown Tijuana.  It is one of the
best salads I have ever had, anywhere in my travels.  Any "caesar
salad" you have ever eaten anywhere else is a wimpy imitation, a
global attempt to duplicate its rightful claim to culinary fame.  Its
birthplace is even listed - and recommended - in the AAA Guidebook.

To partake:  ride the inexpensive San Diego trolley south to the 
border checkpoint, then cross the bridge over the river, past the
colorful shops and plummeting poverty and kids selling Chiclets and
switchblades.  [If you're not buying, don't say "no".  Just hold up
your first finger and wag it slowly side-to-side - it's oddly much
more effective.]

Wend your way to the Caesar Hotel, on Revolucion (I think - it's the
main boulevard) near Calle 5A (5th Street).  Step straight into the
cool and comfy Caesar Bar & Grill.  Order The Salad (it was about $3.50
in 1991).  Savor.  Revel.  You are experiencing a rare perfection and
gustatory secret that few will believe, let alone share in.

Bon apetit!  I also recall being inspired to order a sample platter of
tacos, tostadas, etc - which were "filling" - but paled in comparison
to the Salad.  The Bar & Grill's business-card even has the Salad's
recipe printed on the back - but it doesn't taste the same.  No fool,
Caesar.  [On that note - if it's dark, consider taking a taxi back to
the border crossing, and allow time to wait in lines for the AmericaLand 
attraction.]

-mjj
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
From: keithd@bigguy.timeplex.com (Keith Dickinson)
Subject: Re: San Diego ComiCon
Keywords: ComiCon, Good Grub, Excitement & Adventure, El Salad
Organization: Ascom Timeplex Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 11:23:03 GMT

In article <jittlov.713736011@gumby.cs.caltech.edu> jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov) writes:
>8o ooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOoooo!  Spookeeee..!  There's nobody heeeere...
>I have the a.f.m-j board all to myself...  Blahahahahaaaaaa!!!!

Damnit Jim! I'm a Doctor, not a news poster!!! 

>(and this guy directs movies)  [directED]

And so the Phoenix shal arise from the ashes, reborn.

>I envy you.  For you will be only hours away from what the Societe
>Gastronome de Paris proclaimed "the finest example of North American
>cuisine in the past 50 years".
>
>The Caesar Salad.

I thought that was an epileptic lying out in a lettice field? (ducking).

[various food & society oriented commentes deleted]

>Bon apetit!

Never a problem with me.  (Just look for the guy that NASA uses to calibrate
their gravitometers ;)

>I also recall being inspired to order a sample platter of
>tacos, tostadas, etc - which were "filling" - but paled in comparison
>to the Salad.  

It's hard to find good "Mecian" food even in Mexico.  Of course, it's all a
matter of personal preference.  I met some people in New Jersey when I visited
there for a couple of years (I'l NEVER admit I _lived_ there ;) who, upon 
tasting a recipe from Albqq NM declared it a decided fake compared to 
Taco Bell.

Of course these are the same people who asked me how long I'd lived in the US
once I told them I was moving there from New Mexico... (sigh).

>The Bar & Grill's business-card even has the Salad's
>recipe printed on the back - but it doesn't taste the same.  No fool,
>Caesar.  [On that note - if it's dark, consider taking a taxi back to
>the border crossing, and allow time to wait in lines for the AmericaLand 
>attraction.]

True.  And don't forget. You are only allowed to bring two bottles of Tequila
back accross the border.... ;)


Hay! Mike!  No WHIZ SIG!!!!???  I'm crushed!

L8r G8r
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
From: harlock@netcom.com (Mike Harlock)
Subject: Re: no amiga news nodes for mike
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 03:02:56 GMT
Organization: The Space Vessel Arcadia
Keywords: amiga software

In article <woolstar.713740723@gumby.cs.caltech.edu> woolstar@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Derek Woolverton) writes:
>    Right now, the most helpful amiga software would be a modem
>program that supported z-term, or at least rock solid kermit.
>Mike on occation saves stuff to his local machine by grabbing
>a screen full of text at a time.  Each time he has used Kermit
>he has succesfully crashed his amiga, even when I have run it
>w/o problem moments before.  (same identical operation, he just
>takes longer to initiate).
>    Is there any shareware or even comercial software out there
>that will meet the comm needs better?  Or should I find a
>PC clone for him to use?  :-)

What in the world did you guys give him for a terminal program?
I can get him a full featured, menu driven terminal program
that supports X,Y,Z modem and Kermit, VT-100, ANSI and ASCII terminal
emulation, capture buffers, and everything else you'd expect to come with
a terminal program...for FREE!
Sounds like he has some PD VT-100 emulator or something...
Someone email if interested. (Mike?)



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From: mbkomor@anableps.berkeley.edu (M. Beth Komor)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: Re: no amiga news nodes for mike
Date: 17 Aug 1992 09:33:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: anableps.berkeley.edu
Summary: Bulletin-Boarding for Innocent Green Targets
Keywords: public domain & shareware amiga software

In article <jittlov.713870012@gumby.cs.caltech.edu> jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov) writes:
>harlock@netcom.com (Mike Harlock) writes:
>>In article <woolstar.713740723@gumby.cs.caltech.edu> woolstar@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Derek Woolverton) writes:
>>>    Right now, the most helpful amiga software would be a modem
>>>program that supported z-term, or at least rock solid kermit.
>>>Mike on occation saves stuff to his local machine by grabbing
>>>a screen full of text at a time.   [...]
>>>    Is there any shareware or even comercial software out there
>>>that will meet the comm needs better?   [...]
                                                                            
>>I can get him a full featured, menu driven terminal program
>>that supports X,Y,Z modem and Kermit, VT-100, ANSI and ASCII terminal
>>emulation, capture buffers, and everything else you'd expect to come with
>>a terminal program...for FREE!
                                                                         
>Sounds _TERRIFIC_ to me!  8D
                                                                        
>[Also sounds like a couple of guided missles, some coordinates,
>and an innocent green target...   Hm...] 
>
>What say ye, Guru Derek?
>


There's a lot of really good free & cheap software available out there. I used
to run a bulletin board that offered *lots* of useful & *gneet* public domain
and shareware programs at no cost: just dial in and download. Unfortuneately,
I have *nothing* for the amiga. 

The program Harlock is offering seems to have most of the features my current 
comm program has. Barring weirdness, it should work well for you. :)

mbkomor@anableps.berkeley.edu
<getitgetit!snarfitup!:D>
From: jcw@kd4dts.dixie.com (John C. Wren)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: Re: no amiga news nodes for mike
Keywords: amiga software
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:57:11 GMT
Organization: kd4dts

Well, as for Mike getting a PC clone, for a copy of the tape that was mentioned
earlier (animato, stuff that didn't make it into WoSaT), I'll donate a 16mhz
286 motherboard, with 2Mb of memory to the cause.  Can someone else come up
with a power supply, keyboard, etc?  I also might have a 1.2mb floppy drive
floating around the place to toss in (Dunno, have to go sort through the
piles).

On another note, this news group has been kinda dead for a while.  I'd like
to see a discussion of some of the animation techniques used in WoSaT, and
how others can do it.  I have an interest in filmmaking, but not much (read
any) art background, or cinematography training.  I'd like to get a Bolex
16mm camera, and try some stuff, but right now the $800-$1200 needed is
superceded by other things.  Such as getting my sinking garage raised back
to the level of the rest of the house... Sigh...

Anyways, if the motherboard is of any help to Mike, just dump some email and
it'll be in UPS the next day... Hell, I even manuals for the thing!

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From: ewhac@ntg.com (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.mike-jittlov
Subject: Re: San Diego ComiCon
Keywords: ComiCon, Good Grub, Excitement & Adventure, El Salad
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:30:24 GMT
Organization: Politically Incorrect Software, Ltd.

In article <jittlov.713736011@gumby.cs.caltech.edu> jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov) writes:
>[ ... ] cross the bridge over the river, past the
>colorful shops and plummeting poverty and kids selling Chiclets and
>switchblades.  [If you're not buying, don't say "no".  Just hold up
>your first finger and wag it slowly side-to-side - it's oddly much
>more effective.]
>
	Obviously, all these kids have seen Terminator 2.		:-)

>[ ... ] allow time to wait in lines for the AmericaLand
>attraction.]
>
	Say, how much is it to get in these days?  Last I heard, it cost
your privacy and roughly 30-50% of your gross worth, but I hear it's gone
up.

	As for termulator software, VLT is a good reliable choice, though a
bit daunting with all its gadgets.

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From: kaja@milton.u.washington.edu (Mission and Revenge)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Ahem.
Summary: What is the point of this newsgroup?
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:24:13 GMT
Organization: Ocassionally, but unlikely.


I subscribed to this newsgroup because, (suprise, suprise) I thought
it was discuss Anne McCaffrey's books. Silly me. All I see here is a bunch
of bickering over some computer game. Alt.fan.pern doesn't mean to me
that it's Alt.fan.pern.gaming (or whatever). If that truely is the point
of this newsgroup, then change the name.

Personally, I'd like to discuss the books. There are a lot of societal
commentary in them to be worthy of rational, intelligent discussion.

--Which is a far cry from the infantile mewing going on in here that
could've been better addressed in e-mail.


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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: jmorrill@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John M Morrill)
Subject: Re: De-wizzing on DragonsDawn...
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:49:45 GMT

[rest of post deleted]


I wish to thank you Mr. Wallace. Your post certainly has had an effect on me.
My fingers itch to fire back here. In fact I was just sitting down type a reply
when I read your post.

As the presidential election of 1988 has taught us, "Taking the high road" and
not firing back when you are attacked in this matter is not necessaryly always
the right course. But after reading Mr. Wallace's post, I realize that it is
important for me to spend more time on my reply.

There are grave issues having to with DragonsDawn at elof. My de-wizing has far
less to do with my interaction with Amalthea and much to do with many of the
players revolting against her. I backed the players, and it is to them I must
now turn to help me craft a reply the is not self serving.

There is one point though. I realize that this may seem like a flame, and I
have thought long and hard before I decided to say this.

As a former Wizard, I wish to warn all the DD players at elof that it is not
wise to discuss the DD wizards in a negative way while you are on the mush.
Please take this as a warning, not as an attack. If you wish to say
something about the DD wizards, you best do it on another mush. Not doubt there
is going to be a lot of talk about the DD wizards at elof.

I will be at csulx.weber.edu 6250 (IronMush) later this evening.  I will post
the numeric address later.

Later all.

Xavior @ DragonsDawn on ELOF
Xavier @ Nano, Pern, SouCon and Iron
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: disaacs@lata.carleton.ca (Dave Isaacs)
Subject: Re: Questions....
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:47:31 GMT

In <10706747.24.714295872@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au> 10706747@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (ANDREW BENNETT) writes:

>Hi Pern fans...

>I agree that this is not the place to discuss the Dragonsdawn MUSH....
>especially since there are people that can not get on to it and don't know 
>what you are talking about....

>So to bring up another thread....but not Thread Fall however *smile*

>In the books, there is something mentioned about a Space Station, and or a 
>moon base....does anyone have any thoughts about what this has in relation 
>to later books...I haven't read the latest so I don't know if this is 
>included in the last book or not. I think that it was mentioned in the very 
>last (in  sequence) of her books...

I think you had better read the latest book "All the Weyrs of Pern".  It is
very mentioned in this book!


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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: jmorrill@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John M Morrill)
Subject: Re: Ahem.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 01:25:27 GMT

>Personally, I'd like to discuss the books. There are a lot of societal
>commentary in them to be worthy of rational, intelligent discussion.
>
Then please feel free to post your comments and read the replies. Any posting
that does not interest you can be handled by hitting the 'n' key.

>--Which is a far cry from the infantile mewing going on in here that
>could've been better addressed in e-mail.
>
The Pern mush games have at least +300 active players, a tad hard to handle via
E-mail.

Look, we have been all though this before. Somebody sends a post that complains
about postings concerning the games. Traffic here falls to zip, finally
someone gets the courage say, "lets talk about the games again".

The games are a means for many people to express their interpretation of the
Pern series of books. Thus the discussion of the games have a place here.

Finally, as this has been the week where my patience has been sorely tried,
let me take this opportunity to lose my patience and be irrational for a bit.

There is no post I dislike more then one where someone tries to dictate what
topics are acceptable and which are unacceptable. The prefix of this newsgroup
is alt. And alt groups have a lot of latitude. If you feel the need for a
group that only discusses the "societal commentary in the books (sic) to be
worthy of rational, intelligent discussion", please, feel free to use the
standard procedure to create a moderated newsgroup.

In all likely hood,  you will read a lot more "infantile mewing" as many people
were very upset about the events at Dragonsdawn. No doubt the powers that be
at Dragonsdawn would very be happy if the events at Dragonsdawn were
not discussed here, as they do not encourge free speech. But since they use
this group to promote their game, they must be prepare to read less then
favorable comments about their game too.

There have been many exciting and happy discussions here about the games, and
it is not unusal for these discussion to lead to new insites into the books.

But if the concept of free  speech has any meaning at, there also has to be
room for postings that are unsettling and even bitter. These postings can also
be of great value. I found a posting here yesterday to be very helpful to me
as a person.







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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: jmorrill@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John M Morrill)
Subject: Thread fall
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:20:17 GMT

  *****************************************************************
    -DD-  DragonsDawn Mush DragonsDawn Mush DragonsDawn Mush -DD-
  *****************************************************************

  Attention Pern Fans, Xavior here. DragonsDawn Mush is please
  announce.......THREAD!!!!!!!!!


  Yes, J'ren (One of the greatest Pern Wizards ever) has created
  thread fall on DragonsDawn mush (elof.iit.edu 2508  or
  192.41.245.90 2508).

  DragonsDawn first thread fall will be at 7PM CDT (5PM PDT, 6PM
  MDT, 8 EDT) on Saturday, August 15, 1992. Everyone is invited to
  see one of the *great* Mush programing achivement.

  See you all there!!!!

  Xavior

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage)
Subject: Re: What's this "sweet sand" stuff?
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:14:16 GMT

In <1992Aug20.193257.28317@uwm.edu> rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller) writes:

>flar@iastate.edu (Bradley M Armitage) writes:
>>rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller) writes:
>>
>>>At first, I thought perhaps they didn't have soap, but then I saw
>>>references to that too...  So what's "sweet sand"?  Is it just soap
>>>with sand in it?
>>
>>Hmm, I was under the impression that sweet sand was their soap, I never
>>ran across, to my knowledge, a reference to soap, what book was that in?

>I'm not certain, but it must've been shortly after Lessa impressed Ramoth.
>I remember Lessa cleaning up with sweet-sand, but then (haveing thought it
>was just gritty soap) being puzzled when I read of someone washing their
>newly hatched dragon (Lessa & Ramoth?) at the lake with "soap".

I still don't recall the word soap, just sweet sand, I will look
through the books again, see if I can find anything.

>>>...and as long as I'm asking questions...
>>>Am I to understand that Robinton (Master Harper in the DragonFlight
>>>trilogy) was like Lessa and Brekke, in that he could hear all dragons?
>>>The whole telepathy business was rather confusing to keep track of.
>>
>>Robinton could only hear after the dragons of Pern saved him or wouldn't
>>let him die when he had his heart-attack.

>No... Mnementh bespoke Robinton first on Ramoth's ledge in Benden Weyr,
>as the Master Harper was leaving a meeting with F'lar and Lessa.  Mnementh
>did it again at another occation too, both before Robinton's heart attack.
>On each occasion, Robinton was surprised, puzzled, and mostly amused.
>I'm fairly certain that the first occasion pre-dated Robinton's impressing
>Zair, so it wasn't a 'relayed' message either.

You are absoutely correct, sorry for my missinformation!!!!!!

>Rick Miller   <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <rick@discus.mil.wi.us>

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From: ambar@cygnus.com (Jean Marie Diaz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Some comments
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:50:11 GMT
Reply-To: khearn@bertha.pyramid.com
Organization: Redheads Anonymous


I don't post here often, 'cause i have to email it, rather than just hit
the 'F' key, and I'm lazy, so I'll respond to a couple of related things
at once.

First of all, the Dragonsdawn Wizard issue does not belong here. It's a
MUSH admin issues, not a Pern issue. Take it to rec.games.muds.tiny.

Second, David Morgan said:
>I subscribed to this newsgroup because, (suprise, suprise) I thought
>it was discuss Anne McCaffrey's books. Silly me. All I see here is a bunch
>of bickering over some computer game. Alt.fan.pern doesn't mean to me
>that it's Alt.fan.pern.gaming (or whatever). If that truely is the point
>of this newsgroup, then change the name.

>Personally, I'd like to discuss the books. There are a lot of societal
>commentary in them to be worthy of rational, intelligent discussion.

>--Which is a far cry from the infantile mewing going on in here that
>could've been better addressed in e-mail.

I agree about the discussion mentioned above, but I don't see you adding
anything but a complaint. If you want to discuss the books, start a
discussion and ignore the MUSH stuff. What do you want to discuss? I'm
willing. :)

  Keith Hearn
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      Bronze Zienth's rider
      Ista Weyr
      PernMUSH