From: pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL N. RITTER)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: flushing out queue for "dealing with police officer"
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:21:03 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <62932@mimsy.umd.edu>, magnum@cs.umd.edu writes:
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#  From:           scylax!tiglath@uunet.UU.NET
#  Subject:        Re: dealing with a police officer
#  Organization:   ScylaxCorp
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#  rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com writes:
#  #Path: scylax!uunet!dtix!mimsy!ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com
#  #From: rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Dana Rigg)
#  #Newsgroups: rec.guns
#  #Subject: Re: dealing with a police officer
#  #
#  ##My brother once followed a guy for 5 blocks, waiting for him to
#  ##screw up.  The guy apparently saw him following so he didn't do
#  ##anything wrong.  When my brother got tired of waiting, he pulled
#  ##him over anyway.  Why?  The guy yelled obcenities at a fellow
#  ##officer who was directing traffic (a thoroughly thankless job
#  ##if you ask me).  The result?  The guy recieved a citation for
#  ##"unnecessary noise from a motorized vehicle." :-)  He was extremely
#  ##belligerent during the whole process, which simply made my
#  ##brother feel that much better about writing the ticket.
#  #
#  #I received a rather abusive email response regarding this story.
#  #Since it is possible that the response was a result of misunderstanding
#  #rather than simply a case of blind hatred for officers (the gentleman
#  #indicated that the world would be better off if someone put a bullet
#  #in my brothers chest), I would like to clear something up.
#  #
#  #My brother was following the guy BECAUSE he yelled obcenities.  He
#  #was hoping the guy would do something else for which he could be
#  #cited.  When he did not, my brother satisfied himself with a single
#  #citation.
#  #
#  #The point I was trying to make is that politeness, (or at least the
#  #lack of hostility) may spare you grief in the end.  This is not only
#  #true with police officers, but with anybody.  Hostility will only be
#  #met with hostility (it's the HUMAN not POLICE condition).  Personally,
#  #I think the guy my brother cited was an -BLEEP- and recieved a just
#  #reward.
#  #
#  #For those of you still reading, I apologize for the morality lesson.
#  #
#  #For future reference, contradictory opinions are accepted, if
#  #grudgingly :-), abuse is not.  If you can not send a polite statement
#  #of your views (you know who you are), don't bother sending anything.
#  #I'll simply slam-dunk it in the bit-bucket and add you to my kill file.
#
#  Since this is a free country I can SAY, or yell whatever I want, so can he
#  and you, without having to be stalked by police because of it.  He who yells
#  obcenities or insults loudly, deserves the consideration given to an
#  ill-mannered person.  Rude people should be just ignored with disdain.  If
#  they become a threat shoot them if you must, but as long as they confine
#  their unpleasantness to verbal action, it is wrong to escalate your response.

#  What your brother did was an abuse of power and showed petty mindedness.
#  He probably fell prey to one of the worst male defects: overaggresiveness.
#
#  The other day while walking in a populous part of town with my wife,
#  we went by a young man who was begging.  Because we took little notice
#  of him he blurted out some obcenities directed to my wife.  I felt my
#  blood boil and I was ready to waste him, but, realising I was being victim of
#  the raging male hormonal imbalance that propel men to violence and makes
#  them less than optimal for leadership of a modern state, I calmed myself
#  down and decided to ignore the jerk.  My control was not complete because I
#  could not help backing up and saying to him with a kind smile that losers
#  like him have little offensive power and that I hoped he froze to death in
#  the gutter this winter.
#
#  After a while I felt as pleased as if I had choked the little shit.
#  Although I must recognize that in the first seconds nothing but shedding
#  his blood seemed adequate.
#
#  The little scum had the right to say what he wanted and if I had hit him I
#  would have been at fault, and would have lost legally.  Friends suggested
#  "a hard slap in the face, aimed at humiliating rather than harming", or
#  "a spit in the face" would do,  but I still think that a verbal response is
#  as far as I could go without compromising myself.
#

    Well, in Pa, your "right to yell obsceneties" WILL get you cited. This is
    not a "power trip" on the officers' part, they are doing their job, just
    as you should do yours. It depends on your STATE codes...not city/town/etc.

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#
#  From:           jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
#  Subject:        Re: dealing with a police officer
#  Organization:   Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
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#  pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL N. RITTER) writes:
#
#  ##During my only stop since getting a CCW, before I came to a halt,
#  ##I simply put my pistol in a secret compartment behind the seat.
#  ##Assuming you're not stupid enough to allow a cop to search your car
#  ##without a warrant, the cop would have no legal way of finding the gun.
#
#  #      YOU'RE WRONG!!!!
#  #What you forgot to mention is that you have the right to deny a search of yo
ur
#  #vehicle, but the police have the right to impound your vehicle until they ca
n
#  #get the warrant (provided that they have sufficient probable cause) and then
#  #tear it apart. Your "hidden compartment" would be found. They can take as mu
ch
#  #time searching you vehicle as they need/want.
#  #               Trust me on this.....
#  #               --Paul
#
#  No, I'm not going to trust you on this and no I am not wrong.  I am quite
#  aware of how far cops are allowed to push the Constitution these days.

   Who pushes the Constitution these days? Ice T, 2 live crew, porno
   producers, etc., etc., etc. ever come to mind? How about the A.C.L.U.?

  >  In the state of Georgia and therefore in my case, my CCW makes my gun
#  in the car legal.  Read that.  L-E-G-A-L.  What I am defending myself

     Pardon me for misunderstanding. I misread your post that you DID have a
     CCW. My apologies.

     >  against are those pigs such as work for the Cobb County Police who
#  directly violate GA's CCW law and confiscate LEGALLY CARRIED weapons.
#  This is not hearsay.  Our state NRA org was preparing to file suit
#  against Cobb County when an internal dispute split the organization and
#  gutted the treasury.  We had a victim and we had two Cobb county
#  police ready to testify as to their instructions from Chief Hightower.
#  I am also defending myself against those pigs who take guns they
#  like for their own use.  As an ex-field deputy, I've head full time
#  cops bragging about such thefts.

    I never said that every single cop/sheriff/trooper was perfect. On the
    contrary; as an officer, I hear it too...but for me to accuse another
    officer is hearsay without proof. As an ex-field deputy, you should
    understand. I support the prosecution of such individuals as you state.
    I'm only relaying info that occurs in THIS state.

    >
#  n the context of a law abiding CCW'd citizen being stopped for a traffic
#  bust, there is no probable cause for anything more than a ticket.
#  Unless of course, you believe that cops should arbitrarily be allowed
#  to search cars for the good of society or for whatever they can
#  steal, er, confiscate for their department.  Absent probable cause and
#  absent consent from me, you will NOT legally search my car.  Yes you can
#  inconvenience me by holding my car for a period of time.  But you might
#  also have to confront the fact that your stop was taped and you got
#  caught lying.

   Agreed. Not that I said WITH PROBABLE CAUSE. Now come on....
#  John
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