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From: rross@axelon.UUCP (Raymond Ross)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God!  Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:50:20 PST
Organization: Superboard Two BBS

    You got it-- the advanced technology of the Amiga, even in models as old as
the 1000 outperform many standard-equipped 386-based clones.  I've often
compared simple paint programs from the Clone line and looked at how simple
blit-like operations are so sluggish on xGA displays when you can "swipe and
wipe" on these 7 mhz Amigas as if you were accellerated (compared to them).

    Multitasking on an Amiga is so much cleaner-- I am a Windows 3.1 user and I
still cannot believe how poorly the MS-Dos/Windows stash multitasks.  Even with
the new 32-bit operating systems, multitasking is no where as smooth as it is
on my Amiga, and definately not as efficient.  To here an IBM Cloner say "I'm
out of memory" when they have 8 megabytes due to the ever-so-rediculous 640k
barrier but still can't get by without some sort of driver and then hear an
Amiga user claim I still haven't used my full two megs yet is one example of
how embarrasing it really must be to spend thousands of dollars on a smoking,
stinking, clowdy 'PC' and then watch in tears as an A600 outperforms your PC
like a Ferrari does a Volkswagen Beetle.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 case design (was Re: Top 10 reasons why ...)
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:07:23 -0600
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
 <1dec6qINNl2n@falcon.natinst.com> <1992Nov6.193804.13241@ra.msstate.edu>  
 <1992Nov7.110022.5484@desire.wright.edu>  
 <1992Nov7.191429.15805@ra.msstate.edu> <#fn1yqp@rpi.edu> <1992Nov10.014313.16351@ra.msstate.edu>
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <7qn1n-_@rpi.edu>, danaf@bray1a.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.) writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.014313.16351@ra.msstate.edu>, skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>|> 
>|> Any requests for particular pictures?  I'll try to get clear enough pics to
>|> show the numbers/names on the chips and that sort of thing, but I can't
>|> promise anything.  Also, if anyone is interested, I'll be happy to post the
>|> part numbers and that sort of thing.
>
>|> What format would be best?  The scanner is 24bit and I can use ADPro to
>|> convert it to 16 color HiRes, 256 color GIF, JPG, or whatever.
>
>Please, if you're going to be scanning them in 24-bit color at those beautiful
>high resolutions, don't throw away all of that detail and put up 16-color HiRes
>NoLace IFFs! We can always convert down... but you can't convert up.
>

Exactly...don't lose all that color...post them as JPEGs and save some HD space
on the server while your at it. :)

we call all convert down from JPEG....ther is PD software to do just this.

>|> Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
>(718)             (212)                        (516)             (518)
>=======Amiuser============Frank R. Dana, Jr.============Doc Ami=======     


Jim

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           Jim Martin   MATRIX -- If it's made, we sell it. Almost.
A4000 Coming SOON!!, Real soon.                 MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: clueless@bradley.edu (Matthew Simmons)
Subject: Re: Monitor for the 1200
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 01:12:40 GMT
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Tim Ciceran (tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA) wrote:
: In article <5NOV199219353483@phobos.ucc.umass.edu> tpoulin@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (THOMAS J POULIN) writes:
: >	I currently have a a500, and it's hooked up to a television
: >set.  My 1084s broke... it's not my fault.  Well anyways, I am planning
: >on upgrading to a 1200 when it is released in the states.  The point I am
: >trying to make is that I currently need a monitor, but I don't want to
: >buy one that is incapable of supporting the 1200.  Would the 1960 do????
: >Suggestions are very welcome,
: 
: The A1960 may not be the most cost-effective solution, but if compatibility
: with modes requiring a horizontal scan rate of < 30 kHz is a priority, it's
: the best compromise.
: 
What modes _won't_ the 1084s let you show?  

Will it do the HAM8 mode properly in the resolutions it does support?
From: marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Call For The Creation Of A New Juggler.
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:04:49 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Edinburgh University

In the beginning there was a Juggler.
Dozens of curved sufaces were brought together,
Hundreds of thousands of calculations were made,
And something special was born onto the screen of the computer we know
as the Amiga.

Thoughout the land, and indeed many lands, the Juggler travelled,
from disk drive to cathode ray tube he wandered, his presence bringing 
expressions of wonderment and awe and ultimately delight to the faces 
of the masses.

And this was good.  And for many years it was good.

But alas, things change.

Our hero he grew old and weary of his task, and the adulation he so adored
dwindled.  No longer did people appreciate his efforts.  He was old and
his tricks tired.  The world grew while he stayed static.

And then the inevitable came to pass.

The Juggler has laid down his ray-traced spheroids and departed from his
16-bit plain.  New technologies shunted the old away, and with it
memories of a glorious past.

Which is why, dear ladies and gentleman, I make this plea to you.

Resurrect this noble sour from his digital ashes.  Recreate what was
into what should be.  Not a phoenix rising from its ahses, but something
new that will not erase the past, but encompass it and improve upon it.
The Amiga needs a new Juggler.


Please?



-- 
? Look within the Hearts of mortal men and see, ? Mark Steyn :          ?
? The Hopes, Dreams and Wishes of a world,      ? marks@castle.ed.ac.uk ?
? Guarded under Lock and Key.                   ? mpjs@dcs.ed.ac.uk     ?
From: x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God!  Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 8 Nov 92 22:05:20 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <69117@cup.portal.com>, Bolt@cup.portal.com (Eric J Rainbolt) writes:
> Dear Fellow Amigan,
> 
> I heard some frightful news from a friend of mine:
> 
> heidi@zeus.c-engr2.siu.edu
> 
> Over the weekend, she placed an order for an IBM clone.  Yuck!!!!!
> Aaaaaaaaaargggggg.   Puke!!!!!!!!  Barf City!!!!!!!
> (Do you know what I mean).
> 
> She doesn't know much at all about computers, all she know is that
> she feels she should have one because she is in Electrical Engineering.


	She made a good decision.  Engineers use either PCs or
workstations by IBM, SUN, DEC or HP -- Not Amigas.


> 
> I told her I was mad at myself for not showing off the power of the Amiga.
> 
> I truly believe my A500 (designed in 1985 and running at 7.16 Mhz), totally
> blows away IBM pieces of shit running at 33Mhz.  {All my classmates seem
> to have IBM clones of some sort, and they do nothing but complain and send
> their motherboards in for new ones all the time;  and they also suffer
> from an inferiority complexes when I show off my Amiga}.

	I should probably keep quiet and less this nonsense pass since
I am in the middle of the Amiga Advocacy group, but I have enough faith
that most Amiga users are knowledgeable enough about computers to know
that an Amiga 500 is nothing compared to a 33mhz 486 based PC.
	I used to have an Amiga and when I went to a PC I vowed to
make sure it did mroe than my Amiga did and it does.  My PC blows
away any Amiga I have ever seen in terms of graphics, sound, animation
and multitasking.  Hence, OS/2, 16 megs of memory, 24 bit coprocessed
graphics, an Sound Blaster Pro.
	By the way, never had a problem with it since I bought it (2 years
ago).

> 
> I like Heidi, so I want her to be happy, and I feel it would be best
> if she cancelled her order and instead purchased an Amiga.
> 
> You duty is to write her reasons why she would be better off and much
> happier with an Amiga computer.  She is buying an IBM because everybody
> else has one.  (Boy there are alot of stupid people who think they really
> know something.)
> 
	Moving to an Amiga would be a major major mistake.  Most college
people and nearly all engineers (myself included) have PCs.  If they
don't have PCs, they have to use the labs.  PCs are far more supported
than Amigas.


> i.e  "Hey, I know MS-DOS", one might say....
> 
>      "Yeah, and I know how to tie my shoe, so what?" I usually reply. 
> 
> We gotta be arrogant, after all we did make the more intelligent decision
> before; it's our right.  Please stop her from supporting crap
> engineering, and let her give the profit to the makers of the Amiga.
> 
	You are arrogant, true and in 1985, buying an Amiga would
have been the intelligent choice.  But it's 1992 now and buying an
Amiga over a PC would be a mistake.

						-Brad




> EJR
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei)
Subject: Re: EMPLANT vs. QUADRA Price
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:33:04 GMT

>Marc N. Barrett (barrett@iastate.edu) wrote:
>: In article <sf0jj5i00iUz87ghhK@andrew.cmu.edu> bc2y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Brian T Cheek) writes:
>: >It's funny to see people compare the price of an A4000+EMPLANT with a
>: >Quadra.  The Amiga configuration might be cheaper, so might the Quadra.
>: >
>: >You forget one thing; how much is a Quadra system that emulates an Amiga?
>: 
>:    The price of the Quadra plus $300.

Ah.. but which Amiga is it "emulating." :)  A500 or A600 for $300 perhaps?
hehe.

>: >-Brian :)
>: 
>: ---
>: | Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu
>: --------------------------------------------------

Francis
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: A4000 pricing 
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:54:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.170022.3787@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
(Skip Sauls) writes:

>List price in the USA is $3799, but I just bought one for $2795.

Congratulations on your recent acquisition. Of course, we expect a
comprehensive review in c.s.a.reviews, don't we Dan? :).

For those that are interested, the CDN list is $4595, with retail pricing
at ~$3400. 

>I'm eager to compare it to the 486-50DX with 24bit ET4000 SVGA and SoundBlaster
>Pro that I use at work.  Given that my A3000 blows it away in nearly 
>everything except raw CPU and color depth, I'm predicting that the A4000...

Now that's the spirit! :)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ccb8m@jade.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy)
Subject: Re: Calling all lurkers!
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:13:26 GMT


Skip Sauls asks:

> Where are the lurkers?  AND WHY don't WE POST!

Heh, even composing this piddly response means another 2^13 messages
have rolled in on this newsgroup from HELL...  It is all I can do to
cross my eyes and try not to miss anything as I rapidly hit 'n'...

Whaaaa I JUST LOVE c.s.a.advocacy Whaaaa, Whaaaa....

Charles C. Bundy IV
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: oyakea@warren1a.its.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake)
Subject: Falcon's Super was: FALCON SPEED ......
Keywords: FALCON, ST, ATARI.
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:49:33 GMT


    I talked to a Media Arts Professor at my school. He was very impressed 
with the Falcon. He said it is an amazing machine, and it is no doubt.
It is super, like it or not. With true 030, 32 bit ram, dsp, 16bit audio,
SCSI II, 16bit graphics (no dumb dependence on interlace, I get to choose),
Audio in and out, midi, lan port, enhanced joystick and input selectors,
dsp port etc. NOW TELL ME WHY WOULD I WANT A 1200 ?
 What am I going to do with AGA alone ? It has none, should I use caps,
okay, NONE OF THE ABOVE LISTED FEATURES OF THE FALCON. It is a TOY for
me, and would not be the TOOL the falcon would be. I could very nice things
with a Falcon, whereas a 1200 guy is droolling ONLY over AGA. And besides
if I get a 1200, I must choose when I'm buying it if I want an fpu or else
it's no fpu for me. THAT SUCKS !! It has no bloody fpu slot ( damn !! says 
an Amiga user, don't think I didn't hear that ). The Falcon does, "ha ha"
and is that nice ? So don't even compare your toy with my tool . And
if you don't like what I'm saying e-mail me. I don't hide nor do I bite.
 Try getting a lan port on any Amiga ( keep dreaming ). 
 The Amiga to me is a neat graphical tool, it needs more to be considered
a better computer.
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 11 Nov 1992 17:54:41 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

'>   I cannot strees the following point enough.  The amiga is an infinitely
'>more *productive* machine than an IBM.  On my fully decked A3000 I am 
'>constantly downloading, while I am doing my long compiles, during these
'>compiles I touch up my notes,during which time I am doing whatever calculation
'>need to be done for lab.  In addition I'm sometimes rendering some stuff
'>to check out later.  In an hour I can get more different things done than
'>someone can on any IBM.  I don't know what system you have so I'll assume
'>a fully decked 486/50.

	All of this is possible on a 486 with OS2, so whats the point?

							Greg Greene
                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu


'>                                                              - Jason
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert)
Subject: Re: Oh my God!  Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:50:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.110132.6269@gw.wmich.edu> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.231209.18772@seas.gwu.edu>, gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington) writes:
>> x90wardell@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>
>	I would have been happy to expand my Amiga 2000.  But the
>iBM bridgeboard was  and still is  a ripoff.  I couldn't improve
>the graphics in such a way that I could hope to have any apps
>support it.  The software support was dismal, I couldn't upgrade
>the sound very much cheaply.  And add a hard drive?  Only if I
>wanted to pay some major bucks (compared to an IBM compatible).
>	Moreover, many Amiga nuts (including myself, I used to claim
>that my Amiga could do Cad faster than any IBM due to its graphics
>coprocessing) fail to look at the reality of things.  The Amiga 500
>and 2000 are good for 7 mhz machines, but they are still just 7 mhz (7.7).
>It does show on many things including games.  I also like to play games
>and the latest Amiga offerings just can't hold a candle to what my
>IBM can do.  That is, except for arcade games which the Amiga still does
>generally nicer than IBMs.  But then again, I could go buy a Sega
>Genesis to take care of that if I had a need for shoot em up games.
>	I just don't see good space flight games anymore for the Amiga
>that are comparible to IBM games and as someone said, there will never
>be a Falcon 3.0 like game for the Amiga or a good Ultima Underwords
>type game simply because the major software vendors are not going
>to waste money developing for a machine that has sold only about
>5 million since its birth.
>
>							-Brad

The lack of new games like those mentioned may have more to do with the 
average amiga, than the number of amigas sold.  If all 5 million amigas
had at least a 68030 (or 020 I suppose...) and a hard drive, we may see
more high end games.  Sadly, the euro500s still make up the majority
of the amiga user base....  

mike seifert, spewer

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Bridgeboards 
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 21:58:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.163116.6846@sol.cs.wmich.edu> 22black@sol.cs.wmich.edu
(Martin Black) writes:

>Well I wouldn't say it is real expensive I saw a 386bb for about $550.  Of
>course there is now a need for a new janus software to emulate vga and svga.
>But vga and svga is only a software thing on the a4000.  I would think that
>the emulation should be pretty snappy on the aga chips, and wouldn't mind
>buying a 386bb if I got an a4000 and there was an update of janus.

In fact, the Supra/KCS Power PC board has been upgraded for VGA
capability under the AGA chipset. It would be interesting to see how
efficiently VGA can be emulated with a more capable processor.
From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What Amiga Users Want In Future Software Applications!!!!
Date: 7 Nov 1992 17:17:20 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
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In article <18952@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> djkordsm@quesadilla.engr.ucdavis.edu (David Joseph Kordsmeier) writes:
>
>	None of this means anything without software.  

   Bingo - you hit the nail right on the head. Without AGA-specific software
the A1200 and A4000 are essentially pointless efforts. I sincerely hope that
Commodore has someone out schmoozing up to some major software houses.

>	The future of our Amiga in the home and workplace depends upon there 
>	being an adequate supply of QUALITY sofware applications( DTP, CAD, 
>	Spreadsheets, etc ) .  

   These applications are going to be very important to the long-term success
of the A4000 and all future high-end Amigas, be they cool or dull. Without the
appropriate software, we're dead in the water. Thank you for bringing this up.

>Perhaps we could get a TOP 10 MOST WANTED 
>SOFTWARE APPS list going [...deleted...]
 
   My #1) An AGA/3.0-only paint program that acts snappy.
   My #2) Imagine with AGA support and optimized for a 68040.

   I know of the rumors that these are coming, but I'll believe it when I see
it on the shelves.

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gregg Giles (Dynamix, Inc.)                       Willy Beamish Development Team
All opinions expressed are my own.                      (MS-DOS CD-ROM, Sega-CD)
ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu, BIX: ggiles                           Author of DiskInfo
From: tam@furry.lonestar.org (Todd A. Murray)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: NO MORE *&#*$(^*& FEMALE BIMBO ADS!!!!!!!!
Distribution: world
Followup-To: alt.dev.null
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:24:29 CST
Organization: Small Furry Animals Unlimited, Plano TX

In article <36697@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> In article <1992Nov5.054705.20884@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> seifert@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S. Seifert) writes:
> > In article <Paula_Lieberman.071i@amicol.UUCP> Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman) writes:

[childish prattle deleted]

> Will you please take this childish prattle out of *comp*.*sys*.*amiga*.advocacy?

I agree entirely.  This topic really has nothing to do with this newsgroup.
It's bad enough wading through endless arguments by certain individuals who
have to whine about the Amiga 600, 1200, and 4000 because they don't have the
exact features they need, even those these individuals have never even seen
the machines in question.  This whole discussion of advertising and sexism has
degenerated to a useless flamefest of spewage.  Even though some of the
individuals involved think they have the right to spew their material all over
the network, and apparently are amused at that fact, it's still a waste of time,
network bandwidth, and disk space.  If you want to call each other names, find
a better newsgroup -- like alt.flame.

Note the Followup-To line and respect it.
-- 
Todd A. Murray - tam@furry.lonestar.org

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)
Subject: Re: GOOD Ads
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:28:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.171337.22948@usl.edu> das9674@usl.edu
(Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>[Re Gateway2000 having glossy ads]
>>>Nothing like carcinogenic dye in your water table.

>Not that I care, but you might be interested in knowing that those
>ads use some sorta environment organic ink.  Read the ad.  (!)

Great, now we have politically correct twaddle :). Too bad these ads
are buried between several hundred pages of environmentally destructive
print.

>>>Anyway, while I don't consider myself to be a Mac enthusiast, I've always
>>>found Apple's ads (both television and print) to be the most effective. 

>I think they can be good, too, but for the wrong reasons.  These being
>implying falsehoods about the ease of use or money value of a Mac and/or
>the damn monochrome green monitor they use with EVERY PC in there ads.

Personally, I use a wide variety of systems (including PC's) and find 
the claim of Macs being user-friendly to be indisputable. While
price/performance is exclusively the domain of the PC, the added expenses
of training and support are considerable. This isn't to say that many PC
users are less knowledgeable, but the Mac has been designed to be as
'idiot proof' as possible.

>>>They
>>>don't inundate you with techno-speak and manage to be both professional and
>>>cheeky at the same time. The recent promotion concerning Windows was a major
>>>coup. 

>Oh, it was?

You have to judge the advertisement by it's intended audience and ultimate
objective. The majority of ads are aimed at sustaining the existing consumer
base, not converting 'dyed in the wool' PC users. While these ads may have
been more of an exercise in brinkmanship, they dispell many of the myths
of the PC market. The fact that this thread has survived this long must
tell you something.