From: eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson)
Subject: Re: Foul Words and False
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 07:07:15 GMT

In article <griffinb.720791098@unix1.tcd.ie> griffinb@unix1.tcd.ie (brendan james griffin) writes:
>In <1992Nov2.175821.12287@news.columbia.edu> egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy) writes:
>	(Portions Deleted for Brevity.)
>>That childhood episode came back to me during the last days of
>>President Bush's campaign.  More than any incumbent President in
>>memory, he has been a candidate without shame.  Lies, hate,
>>vulgarity: Nothing has been too shameful for George Bush.
>
>>He referred to Bill Clinton and Al Gore as "these two bozos."
>>Attaching Senator Gore's views on the environment, Mr. Bush called
>>him "ozone man" and then just "ozone."
>
>>It is the name calling of a child, a playground bully.  Listening to
>>such talk from the President of the United States, a young person
>>said: "It makes me feel sad for America."
>
>>These last days have degraded the most important office in the
>>country.  They have made the Presidency a symbol of hate and division
>>instead of unity and dignity.

>One of the sick thins about politics here. One side says the other can
>do nothing right and they themsrlves can do everything right. The other
>side says the same. Noone seems to be lying and noone seems to be
>telling the truth.

"No one" is two words, not one.  No one in this posting said Clinton did
everything right or could do not wrong.  Elizabeth said that Bush ran an
extraordinarily un-Presidential campaign of vicious lies and distortions of
his own and his opponent's record and sank to the level of crude personal
attacks.  That is a fair assessment of Bush's campaign style, regardless of
whether one likes Bush.

>I like the way there is no mention here about Clinton's lies about the
>draft. Yes, it is just possible he is telling the truth but it is also
>just possible Bush is telling the truth about Irangate.

Cold day in the lower level!  Bush is nailed cold on Iran and Iraq-gate if
anyone bothers to read the public record that is available on these topics.
Bush, unlike Clinton, cannot claim to have acted in a legal, tho
questionable manner.  Bush's actions were flat-out against the law.

>And do you think that the manner of the Bush campaign is new? If Clinton
>were in the same position he would have done similar things- anything to
>get elected. It's one big power struggle out there. Clinton wants the
>job as much as Bush.

This is where you are dead wrong.  To find another example of Bush's
conduct of this campaign you have to go back to the mid-1800s.  This is not
the usual style of American politics, especially at the Presidential level.
It is interesting that the power-politic people on the net are all R's!
How humiliating!!  There was a time when they would've lost an election
rather than argue for the tactics of the gutter and the Hitler youth.  That
was back in the days when being a Republican meant reverence for the
American Constitutional process, not a desperate desire for power
regardless of the dirty tactics one must employ.  The level of the public
campaign of lies was exceeded only by the private campaign of lies launched
against Clinton.  It is disgusting.

What is both tragic and sick is the pseudo-sophisticated argument you make
that you are somehow more realistic than everyone else because you accept
the "true nature" of politics.  You are neither a realist, nor a
sophisticate:  you are an apologist.  For the worst of the process and it's
operation at its lowest level.

Can the supporters of the Bush campaign tactics spell "patriot"?  How about 
trying it out sometime before it becomes the province of Democrats and 
Perotistas?


>
>When (if) you vote today just ask yourself who is more stable, who has
>the best chance of brinbing America out of troubles. I would'nt like to
>think what Clnton would do if Iraq was pointing nuclear missiles at
>him. A man who was afraid of the draft, a man who can't decide on such
>concrete issues as abortion.
>
>Look what happened in Britain earlier this year. It might happen again
>today.
>
>THINK!
>
>Brendan.
>