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From: fstawit@ICOMP01.LERC.NASA.GOV (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Subject: Comments on Dhammic Socialism (II)
Originator: daemon@Condor.mcs.kent.edu
Organization: Kent Gateway
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 12:46:28 GMT


>	Let us examine a very controversial notion "dictatorial democracy"
>	(prajadhipatai-phadetjakara). We tend to shy away from the word, 
>	dictatorship," because we are so infatuated with liberalism 
>	(saesri-niyoma)...
>

It's been a long time  since I read Tun Buddhadas' political works.
I forget the context of his "Dhammic Dictatorial system".
I don't think he advocated a system in which one GOOD person
dictating everything in the society. If so, I do not agree
with him, even if the Buddha is that person. The check and balance
mechanism must be strong regardless of how moral the leader is.
Moreover, everybody thinks s/he is moral, just look at various
fanatical religious leaders turned politicians both in the past
and present, around the world.

I definitely would put this question to TB if I had a chance to
meet him again.

A dhamma-minded dictator is needed though, for a short period of time,
to put a society through a critical period. 

What I think should be done is that the 10 king's precepts should
be modified in accordance with the modern spirit of democracy and
be used as oaths in the swearing-in ceremony of a new leader.


...Tawit
From: gt9111a@prism.gatech.EDU (DARANEE PAYATTAKOOL)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: me too
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:09:23 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Hi everyone,
	I have a few words that I used when I first came to US.
Please note that I had studied English in Thailand which based
on British English not American English. 
	I often used 'lift' instead of 'elevator', 'plaster' for
'bandage', 'cut queue' for 'cut in line',  etc.  People would
look at me like I'm speaking another language.  Oh!!! here's a
good one  "Pumpkin" and "Pepper".  Say them in Thai and you'll
know what I mean.  ;-)

That's all for now.

Daranee Payattakool.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: John.Carver@bbs.oit.unc.edu (John Carver)
Subject: olympics?
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:05:14 GMT


Hello,

Could someone post a description of the Thai teams at the olympics, what
sports they are competing in, and how they are doing?  It is almost
impossible to get new of it here.  THe US TV network only shows the top
few finishers for each sport, so you don't get to see most of the action
unless you describe to the stupid pay channels at $125 a piece.

Oh, not just teams, but individual competitions too would be nice.

   J

--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Re: AIDS in Thailand
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 06:59:55 GMT

darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie) writes:

>There was an article about this in a recent Newsweek. Very sad and
>very scary. It seems to be a common practice in rural villages for
>young girls (12-14 years old) to be either sold or kidnapped into
>prostitution. Western (and also Japanese) tourists come to Thailand
>on "sex tours" (why doesn't the Thai gov't stop this) and so many
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>of the girls get AIDS from these people. I guess now a high percentage
>of the Bangkok prostitutes are HIV-positive.

>--Richard

The last May bloody event has testified that, in fact, Thailand has not 
had a government in the sense that the government has to take care of
all aspects of the country's problems. So far, the tourist industry is
the product of heavy lobbying on the part of tourism-concerned business.
The government has yet to take care of its own being (e.g. struggles to 
survive and meanwhile looks for a chance to take advantages on the expense
of the whole country. The Parliament is full of corrupt politicians who
are concerned only with the possibility to be appointed in the cabinet.
The side-effect of tourism is mildly touched by the government. Khun Meechai,
in a new article somewhere in the net, complains that the government has
not paid enought attention the AIDS problems and cut down the budget needed
to fight with the dreadly disease.

The prostitution in Thailand has existed to the point that the public begin
to accept as part of life. The mass media hardly report about it. When Western
media publicize it, the responsible authorities will take turn to justify
its existence. At individual level,  the reaction vaies from anger (with
the Western media) to some actions which would not yield much impact. 

I hope the see that the new Parliament will be more serious about this 
problem. Prostitution or AIDS could be examined in the context of tourism
and tourism also could be looked at in the context of AIDS and prostitution.
It is the government who is in charge of balancing all good and bad things
resulting from these two conflicting goals: money or well-being of its
people!
From: pekka@tmt.tele.fi (Pekka Ahonen)
Subject: Re: Me Too
Organization: PTT Finland, Telematics
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 06:43:36 GMT

What was difficult for me at the beginning of my relationship / my
ex-wife that she speaks very simple english (baby english?) and it was
very hard for me to get her understand some things because my english
was too complicated for her. Most other thais who are in Finland also
speaks like that (we call it thai-english). I think it's because most
of them are not educated enough. Now, when I speak with my ex, we use
a language in which has thai/english/finnish/laotian words and nobody
else understands what we are talking, just the two of us and I have
noticed that it has effected on my english also, before I met her I
spoke quite good english, but now it's beginning to sound more and
more like thai-english.

Here's an example how do we speak with each other.

Noy: When you come?
Me: Something two three
Noy: You come one. Go walk len sanuk with baby. Take khruang thaai
luup pai duei.
Me: Okay.
Noy: When go take card looking from tamruat?
Me: I don't know.
Noy: Can van phurahat? I go disco van suk.
Me: Okay, I go take paper first morning and after I come take you go.
Noy: You think get card same time?
Me: Yes, tamruat speak.
Noy: Okay, nothing. Tomorrow you come one o'clock, nah?
Me: Okay, bye.



Pekka

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: mmeyer@m2.dseg.ti.com (Mark Meyer)
Subject: Re: Me Too
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc. - Plano TX
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:34:16 GMT

In article <Brpt9x.9Cx@watserv1.waterloo.edu> olmstead@sail.uwaterloo.ca () writes:
...
> Farangs learning Thai, unless they are taught by a professional, will get 
> yes and correct mixed up until they get used to this. 

	I learned this pretty early (I don't remember if I learned it
myself or from my teacher, Acharn Songsri), so I knew what to expect
when talking to my Thai wife, Pon.  I understand her, but sometimes I
have to translate for other people her answers to negative questions.
(English language, but Thai style.)  I also made her promise that, when
she started answering negative questions the English style instead of
the Thai style, she would let me know beforehand.  :-)

-- 
Mark Meyer                                               | mmeyer@dseg.ti.com |
Texas Instruments, Inc.                                  +--------------------+
Every day, Jerry Junkins is grateful that I don't speak for TI.
                                       The more you know, the less you believe.
From: kamol@munnari.oz.AU (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: June 9: Chavalit wants to be next PM
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:09:40 GMT
Organization: Mail/News gateway

Chavalit wants PM post
 
     THERE may be another massacre after the September 13 
election, New Aspiration Party leader Chavalit Yongchaiyudh said 
yesterday.
     The election will see more rigging and vote-buying, and will 
be followed by a parliamentary dictatorship, he said.
     Speaking at the "Day of New Aspiration" at the Central Plaza 
Hotel, he said the so-called "vicious cycle" will return as a 
result of the Anand II Government's House dissolution, which is 
"like a coup overthrowing Parliament".
     Parliamentary dictatorship will be worse than coups and must 
be eradicated. Vote-buying in the election cannot be stopped.
     The NAP will once again have to work against "black water" 
politics in an effort to create democracy.
     "The NAP has concluded that the coming election will be far 
worse than before, and vote-buying won't be stopped," he said.
     The NAP will continue to fight for democracy no matter how 
dirty the election is.
     "I will be the 21st prime minister. This is not a passion but 
a way to protect the people from misery," he said.
     The Anand II Government, not the armed forces, is to blame 
for the May massacre. The Anand I government installed after the 
February 23, 1991 coup did not reject dictatorial rule then.
     "The Anand I government did not reject dictatorial rule and 
that finally led to the May massacre. The Anand II Government is 
not doing any better," he said.
     The September 13 election will be followed by an even more 
serious parliamentary dictatorship, and then by an incident 
similar to the May massacre.
     The military has been only slightly damaged after the May 
incident, but the government under ex-premier Suchinda Kraprayoon 
and the whole country suffered a lot more.
     "Soldiers will not kill people without orders from the 
government," he said.
     It was the six-party alliance in the Suchinda government 
which had the people killed and wounded in the May incident. The 
parties in that alliance deserve to be called the "parties of 
evil".
     "The world community will look at Thailand as a barbaric 
country. The image of the government and the country must be 
corrected. The image of the armed forces is secondary," he said.
From: CHLBB@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Result: Thai transcription
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:43:43 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

No more vote since last Thursday.
From: ymey@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: AIDS/Prostitution in Thailand
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:45:10 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

















Here's the whole news on the murdering of 25 Burmese women who were killed
after being deported from Thailand.
Reply-To:     Women's Studies List <WMST-L@UMDD.BITNET>
From:         Gabi Kreutzner <GKREUTZ@DS0LILOG.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Responses to women and mourning query
To:           "Jayati Lal" <KX8J@CORNELLA.BITNET>,
              Titiporn Siriphant <YMEY@CORNELLA.BITNET>
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 TAZ, July 24th, 1992:
 Terre des Femmes reports that 25 HIV positive prostitutes
 have been executed through injections of potassium cyanide
 over the past months in Burma. Burmesian security forces
 are said to have tracked down the women after they had been
 freed from brothels in Thailand and were sent back to their
 villages in Burma says Terre des Femmes, pointing to press
 releases in Thailand and to reports by the ecumenical
 coalition on 3rd world sex tourism (Bangkok). According
 to the reports, most of the Burmese women had previously
 been abducted to brothels in Ranong, a city in Southern
 Thailand located on the border to Burma. There, the women
 had been forced to practice unprotected sexual intercourse
 without condoms.
 Terre des Femmes has meanwhile appealed to the German govern-
 ment to direct a note of protest to the Burmese government
 against the internment and murdering of HIV positive girls
 and women. Thailand was asked to retreat from its practice
 of deportation to Burma.

 I felt I had to share this shocking news with WMST-L.
 Gabriele Kreutzner, Stuttgart, Federal Republic of
 Germany
 GKREUTZ at DS0LILOG











































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From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: A Book on Buddhadasa 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:18:38 GMT
Keywords: Thai Buddhism


I have come across the following announcement for a book on
Buddhadasa. I believe it might interest some of us who have
followed his work.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Peter Jackson, BUDDHADASA: A BUDDHIST THINKER FOR THE MODERN WORLD,
Bangkok: Siam Society, 1988.

The author: Peter Jackson was born in Sydney, Australia in 1956.
Buddhadasa: A Buddhist Thinker for the Modern World is an outgrowth
of the author's doctoral dissertation, which was submitted to the
faculty of Arts and Asian Studies at the Australian National
University, Canberra, in 1986. Mr. Jackson has most recently been
Australia-ASEAN Research Fellow at the Institute of Southeast Asian
Studies in Singapore, where he has been pursuing research on the
political functions of urban Thai Buddhism, which will be published
in a book to be forthcoming soon.

BUDDHADASA is one of the leading contemporary Buddhist thinkers of
Thailand. The 82 year old scholar monk has undertaken a thorough
re-examination of the literature and principles of Theravada
Buddhism with the aim of making the religion accessible to the
layman and relevant to the problems of the modern world.  As an
eclectic thinker, he draws on the philosophy of Zen and on modern
science to reinterpret Buddhism, while at the same time his
explanations of Buddhist principles are supportive of an active
philosophy of social and economic development.

In this book Peter Jackson examines Buddhadasa's life and thought
and places them in the context of the political and economic
transformation which Thailand has undergone as it has emerged from
a traditional to modern society over the span of Buddhadasa's
lifetime. Buddhadasa's work, hitherto but little known outside of
Thailand, will be of interest to anyone concerned with contemporary
Buddhist thought, as well as to those interested in the recent
intellectual history of Thailand.

The introduction to the book is written by H.E. Professor Sanya
Dhammasakdi, Chairman of the Privy Council and President of the
World Fellowship of Buddhists, and former Prime Minister of
Thailand.

----------------------------------------------------------------
                     (Order Form)

To: The Siam Society, 131 Soi Asoke, Sukhumvit 21, Bangkok 10110, 
    Thailand.

Price: Bt 250 (US$10) to Society member/Bt 300 (US$12) to non-
members.

I enclose a cheque for............for........ copy/copies of Peter
Jackson, BUDDHADASA: A BUDDHIST THINKER FOR THE MODERN WORLD. 

N.B. Please include Bt.15 per copy for postage within Thailand,
US$4.00 for sea mail postage outside Thailand.

Name (CAPITALS PLEASE).............................
Membership number (Society members only).........................
Address:(CAPITALS)..........................................
        ....................................................
        ....................................................
Telephone No:....................
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Is 'eschatology' popular among Korean Christians in the world?
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:06:59 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <15766@pitt.UUCP> cho@cs.pitt.edu (Il-Hyung Cho) writes:
>.......... Some, I mean not many, Christians claim 
>that there'll be an airial advent of Christ on Oct.28 this year.They say it
>"Hyu-Geo" (rapture?) On that day, those who have prepared for
>Christ will be salvaged.

	Hmm.. so he who believes in Christ will survive and those
	like me will die; then I'll die gladdly.

>I'm curious that how Korean Christian students or any other who stays abroad
>think about it.

	The few interaction with Koreans for me is this news group
	, Korean video tape, and couple of intern people from DACOM at my
	work; and this is the first time for me to hear about it.

	Maybe I'll plant apple tree on 10/27/92.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
From: vijay@efim.austin.ibm.com (Vijay Joglekar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: CFV: alt.us.visas
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:40:00 GMT
Reply-To: vijay@wizards.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM (Aix Tools Development)

How about creating a group called alt.us.visas.  By the addition of this 
group we could help folks mostly interested in visa information from any 
country to get that information easily.  A FAQ will also be helpful. 
This will moderate many of the soc groups. 


**********************************************************************
               Vijay Joglekar - arbiter elagantiarum
 Disclaimer: These are my opinions and my opinions only. Has nothing
                      to do with where I work.
            Littera scripta manet: Credo quia absurdum
**********************************************************************
From: parkg@acf3.nyu.edu (Gok-Nim Park)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: T.V.
Date: 31 Jul 92 01:51:06 GMT
Organization: New York University

woongki@syacus.acus.oz.au (Woong-Ki Chong) writes:

>park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park) writes:

>>In article <1992Jul26.024122.3262@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:

>>>Can anyone recommend some good stuff?

>>Go rent mini-series "Jil-Too".

>Or "Hae-Bing-Gi-Eui-A-Chim" which features Gang-Seog-Woo and ...what was the
>lady's name... Park-Soon-Ae?

>I'm going through it at the moment and finding it quite moving.


>Originally a novel by Han-Soo-San.



>Woong-Ki

Who want to tell me the last two series of Jil-Too.
I already saw the rest of them. It made me much fun. I can't wait until
I can get a chance to rent it. I just want to hear the summary of it
because I will see it in a near future absolutely.
Connie
From: SCIENCE@MITVMA.BITNET (M)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: More replies from the Maoists
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:15:49 GMT


OK, OK, some of you aren't serious. This is entertainment.

Certainly Harper is not joking and I didn't take any of the responses
as entertaining.

I will try to address why this is a serious matter for
us at MIM somewhere else, like alt.activism; even though,
right now I can't seem to post there. "We" refers to MIM.
We don't take any of these things as interesting or
entertaining or important as individuals per se.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Reply to Douglas Harper by Maoists
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:48:31 GMT

In article <9207301718.AA27880@nettlerash.berkeley.edu> SCIENCE@MITVMA.BITNET writes:
>Douglas Harper reveals whose side he's really on by calling this
>a "free country." We just finish a book review on U.S. backing

Who is Douglas Harper and what did he say regarding what book?  Inform
the readers (at least me) and let's continue our giberish.
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: 28 Jul 92 07:28 PDT
Subject: Re: Maoist review of book on southern K
Nf-ID: #R:9207280113.AA02262@nettlerash.be:1968421706:cdp:1473700019:000:457
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Jul 28 07:28:00 1992


Are there really still some Maoists out there, ho has that stuff been posted
20 years ago?

Have been in Beijing and Shanghai from end of June until some days ago.
Mao still ist watching the Tienanmen Square. "For leaving small flowers
the consent of the administration is required."

People in China now seem to be as happy as possible about having Mao on
pictures and under glass only.

bye, Goetz Kluge, anlyyao@igc.org (San Francisco), Seoul 1992/07/28

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Try VADA hangul from my sun
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 17:32:12 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Jul25.125753.3140@ducvax.auburn.edu> hjkim@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>No one can post any type of poster except but just only reading.

	FYI, if you have 'inews' or any similar one with setuid bit turned
	on; anyone can post; all you need is Pnews which is just a
	shell script that composes an article to be posted; then
	calls setuid'ed 'inews'.
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: song@iastate.edu (Chang-Hyeon Song)
Subject: HANGUL database server
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:53:09 GMT

Hello, netter. 

I am curious about implementation of Hangul on any database server like SUN 
sparc.   If you use SUN Sparc as SQL or other database server, and use any 
PC for client,  will SUN OS-KLE(Korean version of SUN OS) will do the job
also for client?  

I think SUN OS-KLE uses KSC-5601 Hangul code, and then what do you use on PC
for client?

Any comment on this subject welcome.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Subject: A side note from... (Re: Responses to Choi and Harper)
Reply-To: jgl7@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Andrew T. Kim)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:59:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.210222.14071@news.acns.nwu.edu> phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi) writes:
>
>What did I attack anyway?  Do you consider "what is your name?" an offense?
>You got something to hide?  Obviously I am no match for your superior
>intellect.  You sound very much like Mr. Scott Horne except you are more
>elaborate in delivering the same BS arguments.
>

Boy, that name rings a bell.  

Somehow, I miss him these days.  Do you?

I feel kinda bad, because I think us secret *KCIA agents on s.c.k are
responsible for it.

(* KCIA - Korean Coalition of Individualist and Atheist)

I even thought (and hoped) that this mysterious Mr. SCIENCE, or Mr MC5, or
Mr. M character was Mr. Horne in disguise.  This newsgroup became so dull
these days that I feel like posting like this kind of stuff.

Maybe I'll rent that Jiltu video.

Boredly yours,

Andrew Kim

** GO KOREAN TEAM !!! (Gee, I forgot about Olympics) **
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean