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Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: A Bedtime Story
From: ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu
Date: 3 Oct 92 02:30:39 -0700
Followup-To: alt.flame

In article <91474@netnews.upenn.edu>, lwl@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Lydia Leong) writes:
> #include "config.h"
> #incldue "mudconf.h"
> #include "sarcasm.h"		/* flame */
> 
> #ifdef PHIL_IS_STILL_BABBLING
> 
> #include "idiot.h"		/* PHIL is one */
> 
> In article <1992Oct2.074235.6996@pimacc.pima.edu> 
>   ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu writes:
>>Hey have you heard the one about the big bad A'bar & A'beryl?
> 
> Which story? There are probably lots.  :)
> 
> if (mudconf.lame_story) {
>>It seems they had been smoking too much numbweed & decided that
>>Pern was supposed to be stereotyped according to their hallucin-
>>ogen influenced logic. 
> }
> 
> No, no, no. Amberyl smokes MUSHROOMS and then has weird Hatchings.
> Where've you been?
> 
>>Well, after numerous failed attempts at imposing their new Order upon 
>>Weyr, Hold & Hall, 
> 
> if (mudconf.sarcasm) {
> Ambar and Amberyl are wizards, what do you expect?
> Plus they're GOLDRIDERS. There's a reason why the badge of office
> is a whip, y'know.
> }
> 
>>resisted staunchly by the widely known hero who need not be named, 
> 
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
> 
>> the great God of all Pern, known as AM, 
> 
> Where'd Moonchilde go?   ;)
> 
>>came along & struck them down mightily. The 
>>joy of all Pern was great indeed on that glorious occasion!
> 
> if (mudstate.patience-- <= 0) {
> 
> I find Anne McCaffrey's reply to be a kind of wimp-out, actually.
> One might also point out that the original 'loose interpretation'
> conjecture posted to this group was that riders retire to the lower
> caverns to find suitable women; Anne McCaffrey's reply clearly
> stated that a partner had to be on-hand for the occassion.

Wrong again! That was speculation I entered later when asked about
an alternative. My original hypothesis was that the books clearly
left open an alternative. If you think AM wimped out then I guess
it must seem terrible to you that she allowed a riders sexual pre-
ferences to hold some sway in the matter. Ah yes, what a terrible
thing. I still don't understand why you find it necessary to be
so intolerant of those who don't share your opinions. First me &
now AM. Who's next?
  
> It's a pity that PHIL isn't a better flamer. His posts might
> be at least mildly entertaining instead of annoying, then.
> 
> }
> 
> #endif				/* PHIL_IS_STILL_BABBLING */

OH NO! I have been struck a mortal blow! ;*)
 
> I actually was rather amused by the story posted earlier.
> I _am_ curious as to how Aunt_Pol ended up with all those Hamlet
> characters, though.  :)

Yes, well, *you* would wouldn't you? Says alot about your character
or lack thereof actually.

 
> Yeah, I promised myself that I wouldn't flame PHIL again (or read
> any more of his posts, but I nuked my afp killfile accidentally).

Oh yeah, a likely story. You really should at least *try* to come up
with a better excuse that that! Although considering the lack of logic
you demonstrated in analyzing AM's literature, I suppose it's not
very surprising. I mean, how far off could someone get than you were?
 

PHIL
From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: A Bedtime Story
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:44:39 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

As an individual playing a bluerider, I wish to take exception to the
characterization of the subject of the above-mentioned story as one.

This is yet another example of how blueriders get the shaft!

(Thus tying this subject into another thread. ;-)

-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  quirk@pioneer.unm.edu
 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
From: v099mvpz@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Marko)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: pies
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:36:00 GMT
Organization: SUNY At Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	me, too, please
			thanks, Marko,
From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:10:14 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <BvJnr5.CG4@newcastle.ac.uk> Mark.OLeary@newcastle.ac.uk (M.D. O'Leary) writes:
>
>What company is working on it, d'you know?
>
Nope, I've only read about the film in one book, which really only
mentioned it.  *I* was hoping someone here knew more about it.

>>While I love computer and cel animation (especially Disney), I think
>>that Dragonflight should be live-action.  Pern simply seems too real
>>to make a cartoon out of it.  There is no doubt that that would be
>
>I'd like to see *good* animation of it: I don't think any film to date has
>stretched the possibilitys of what animation could do (_even_ Disney).
>
Of course "_even_ Disney" hasn't stretched the limit.  That bloated
corporation forces its animators to stick to a budget--gotta make
lots of money, you know.  I'm afraid that a Dragonflight movie may
prove to be too daunting in terms of cost.  If Terminator 2 can run
up an alleged $100 million bill, Dragonflight could easily match
that, without any skimping.  Now if T2's CarolCo (I'm still being *very*
speculative) took up the project, we may see one hell of a film.

>
>Jim Henson's 'pets' are excellent, but on seeing them, I always think "Oh look,
>one of Jim Henson's pets.".... I *want* to think "Good grief! A dragon!"
>
I'm a computer science major, so I might think "Good grief!  Yet another
computer-generated image!"

>>accomplished using the technique Lucasfilm used on their Ton-Tons in
>>The Empire Strikes Back.  But alas, I've heard nothing about the
>
>Yes they were OK: but they didnt fly or breathe fire (or teleport) 8)
>
Techniques improve. :-)


- Robert Cook
From: ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Blue/green/brown -- from the horse's mouth
Date: 4 Oct 92 13:39:51 GMT

In article <BvK5I7.I0x@newcastle.ac.uk>, Mark.OLeary@newcastle.ac.uk (M.D. O'Leary) writes:
> In article <1992Oct3.144852.23178@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lhb6v@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Laura Hayes Burchard) writes:
>>[list of authors creating a worldview with accepted homosexuality DELETED 
> (PHIL take note- thats 3 pages gone)

MARK take note; This has nothing to do with the recent debate. Your seeming
inability to grasp this point in spite of the numerous disclaimers & clar-
ifications I've posted indicates to me that you have either a very low 
reading comprehension or are resorting to outright falsehood in a attempt 
to cloud the issue.

Just to refresh your memory; the debate concerned whether or not sex was
mandatory *between* 2 riders whose dragons are mating with each other.
The presence of homosexuality on Pern was NOT an issue, as I've made abun-
dantly clear in a number of posts which you seem to have somenow "missed".

The question of homosexuality within the Pern series ,or another series,
for that matter, was , quite simply, *never* part of my position, depsite
what a number of others have , falsely, claimed.

PHIL
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Subject: Re: ATWOP
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 01:45:25 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

In article <1992Sep28.214709.20920@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> jmars@mta.ca writes:
>	About AIVAS and ATWOP and the 'Pern we love' being destroyed
>rather well: it's my opinion that Anne McCaffrey _meant_ to destroy
>the structure of Pern completely - the work itself is rather
>fatalistic in nature.  After all, AIVAS commits suicide because there's
>nothing useful left for him to do except be an interfering bone of
>contention; Robinton, and with him Zair, die, signalling the end
>of the 'old order' (being Lessa, F'lar, et. al); and most importantly,
>Thread, the enemy of all Pern but friend to readers who enjoy a
>little bit of plot and conflict with the characters, is blown away.
>Although screams were heard coming from my bedroom as I read what
>was, essenteially, the apocalyptic collapse of 'my' Pern, I have
>to be glad that McCaffrey ended her series with flair, rather than
>re-hashing things over and over in an attempt to get us (and you
>know we would) to buy more and more novels.

Well, there *is* room for future speculation.  Rumor abound of
a possible 'return' of the FSP to Pern, but I'll believe it when I
have the hardcover in my hands. ;-)

>                                             So my own answer to
>'What happens next?" is - iot doesn't.  Go read _Crystal Singer_ :-)

No thanks.  Read it..._Kilishandra_ too.  Not impressed.  (*Gotta*
find another word for that concept. :-P ;-)

>	Of course, there are LOADS of other Passes.  And who _was_ Torene,
>and could she really talk to all the dragons whenever she wanted?

DLG has Torene as Ruathan born founding queenrider of Benden Weyr.
Could be several interesting stories about that period.

>					-Jen/Shandra

-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  quirk@pioneer.unm.edu
 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: venkman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mezo)
Subject: Re: Recipe for Bubbly Pies
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 19:13:29 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Bubbly Pies -- Reprinted on this electronic medium without permission.

SO SUE ME. =) =) =)

Bubbly Pies
Every hold has its own special method for making bubbly pies. The traditional
fruit used in this special dessert is Terran blueberries, though any berry
can be substituted. This recipe makes half a dozen dessert-sized pies or a 
dozen hand sized snacks.

Crust:

1/2 cup butter or margarine (You cannon cops stick with the Butter. =))
2 tablespoons granulated sweetening
2 1/2 cups flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 cup ice water

Cut the butter into chunks. Combine the dry ingredients in a bowl. Work the
butter gently into the dry mixture with a fork until pieces the size of peas
form. Sprinkle the water over and work it in. (Do not overwork the dough.)
Form the dough into a ball.

Filling:

5 cups blueberries (Or one 20-ounce package frozen) (Again CanonCops and
chefs, do it rfesh...results are better)
1 cup granulated sweetening
1/4 teaspoon powdered klah bark (cinnamon)
2 teaspoons citrus juice (Lemon juice)
1-2 tablespoons butter or margarine

Gently toss berries with sweetening and klah bark in a large bowl. Sprinkle 
citrus juice over mixture. Spoon berries into crust and dot with butter.

For Six Tarts:

1 crust recipe
1 filling recipe

Divide the ball into two pieces. Work with one at a time. Form each into a
ball and press out into a circle. Divide each circle into six. Roll each
peice into a ball. Flatten to 1/8-inch, cut into 5-inch circles, and fit six
into the tart pans. Fill with the berrie mixture. Moisten the edge of each
tarttart and top with a second circle of dough. Seal and flute the edges. Cut
slits in the top of each tart with a knife. Cover edge of each tart with foil.
Bake at 375 for ten minutes. Remove foil. bake for 8-12 minutes more, or until 
crust is golden. Serve hot.

For 12 gather-Pies:

1 crust recipe
1 beaten egg
1/2 filling recipe

Roll out dough on a flowered surface to 1/8-inch thickness. Using a 3-inch
cookie cutter, cut out 24 circles. Lay out 12 on a lightly greased cookie
sheet. Divide filling among circles, spooning approximately 2-3. tablespoons
into the center of each, leaving a 1/4-inch border. Brush the border with egg.
Lay the second circle on top of each pie, and press the edges together with
a fork all the way around. (Stretch the top crust gently to fit if necessary.)
If desired, mix together 1/4 cup water with 1 1/2 tablespoons sweetening;
brush top of each pie with mixture for a sugary glaze. With a knife, cut three
or four slits in the top of each pie. Bake at 400 for 20-25 minutes, until
crust is golden. Slide gently off cookie sheet with spatula. Serve hot.

All done....Enjoy...

Thanks to the original chef.

Th'ron rider of Wulfrith.


Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: ktoast@milton.u.washington.edu (Toast M. Jost)
Subject: Re: Blue/green/brown -- from the horse's mouth 
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:14:21 GMT

>Oh, give the woman a break, will you!  She created a society where
>homosexuality plays an active, vital part.  How many other science
>fiction and fantasy authors do that? 

Marian Zimmer Bradley -- that's one...
From: takkyon@dartmouth.edu (Dr. Tachyon)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Absolutely No Mention of You-Know-Who In This Thread.  Honest.
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:12:23 GMT
Organization: PsiLords of Takis Health Club and Massage Parlor
X-Useragent: Diamond Mask v2.7b5


Just to start a new and potentially even-more-flammable thread, I thought
I'd mention the following discussion, which arose on PernMUSH this
morning:

Of the Weyrs, Fort and Benden are conclusively proven by the books to
have running water and baths.  Which, if any, of the other Weyrs might?

I'll keep my own opinion to myself for the moment, just so's not to
oppress any of y'all.  :)

		-- dt
			Ye Royal High Twink-Squisher Extraordinaire, Amby's Army

--
"You always get the answer you want from a corpse."
			-- Nicole Desrosiers
Xref: sparky alt.fan.pern:1616 rec.games.mud:8963 rec.games.mud.misc:790 rec.games.mud.tiny:349
From: John Lussmyer <dragon@angus.mi.org>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern,rec.games.mud,rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud.tiny
Subject: Re: An ad - call me crazy.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 11:52:44 EDT
Reply-To: dragon@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS

raybro@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (Ray Brohinsky) writes:

> Maybe you can answer a question for me. This has bothered me for a while,
> but since a lot of people seem to be dealing with it just fine, I'd
> like to know how.
> 
> What do dragonriders _do_ to justify their existance in 500-year,
> PostAtWOP Pern?
> 
> That's the most difficult thing I can imagine getting over. 
> 
> After that, it's probably all very easy...
> 

Thinking in terms of the books, NOT the MU*'s, I would say the
dragonriders are the worlds BEST communication/transportation
system.  Arial (darn - that spelling just doesn't look right)
mapping, ocean rescue operations (for the few ships that carry
the few things that dragons can't), one heck of a good inter
hold peace keeping force (ala United Nations), and probably
others.  If you want to get REALLY mundane, Dragons would be
quite useful in construction.  They can lift and move things
that otherwise require lots of machinery and effort.
And on the silly side, they could be used as instant Gather
tents when it rains!  (Those wings cover a LOT of area!)

--
John Lussmyer (dragon@angus.mi.org)
North Star BBS, Royal Oak, MI --------------------------------------------+-
From: ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Drudges--What are they?
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:36:18 GMT

In article <BvnKw9.BM4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>, msjle@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Joi L. Ellis) writes:
> I just found a large paperback edition of DGP (printing date-DECEMBER
> 1992! right) and have been reading through it nonstop since.  I ran
> across a paragraph (somewhere between the FORT and BENDEN descriptions)
> that says drudges are generally the mentally defective.  
> 
> Note that there are a number of birth defects and such that are caused
> by the age and overall health of the mother, not the parents' genetics.  (Down
> Syndrome is a good example.)  
> 
> In a culture with no general birth control (in my remembrance, anyway)
> there would likely be a higher proportion of  Downs individuals than we
> have here, due to the larger number of 'late' babies, especially in the
> holds.
> -- 

The low technological level of current Pernese society may have an impact
also. Although whether it would actually increase or decrease the inci-
dence of "mental defectives" I can't say. It may also be a situation 
where  "difficult" children are consigned into drudgery due to
a lack of understanding of how to deal with certain kinds of bevior-
ial problems.

PHIL
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: di@stat.tamu.edu (Di Davies)
Subject: Lessa's 'leaning'
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 02:04:19 GMT

Don't know if this will post, but here goes.....

Only in the first book was mention ever made of this talent of Lessa's.
I got the impression that it was something that people of Ruathan blood
have.  But then it was never explored more, like with F'lessan, Jaxom,
or Alessan, or... who else?  It's been too long since a reread...  Actually,
if 'leaning' is only a full-blooded Ruathan's capability, then I guess I
can see the omission with the generation after Lessa, but it was such an
interesting concept that I wish it had been explored further.  Has this
topic been discussed before?  I've been a read-only-wimp for a while now,
and haven't seen it yet.  The plumbing discussion reminded me of the 'lean-
ing' business.

As far as Moreta goes, she had to die.  But nothing made me more teary-eyed
than Robinton's death, even though I guessed it even before I read the 
book.  

And no movie.  Like someone else said, it'll destroy all my own images of
Pern.  DLG and PoP disillusioned me already.  But if they do make it, I'll
be the first in line with my ten bucks out...

While I'm here and actually typing without mistakes, what do yall think
about an alt.fan.anne?  I'm dying to discuss Crystal Line...

-di
di@stat.tamu.edu
Love is a nose, but you'd better not pick it.

Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: kditto@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kimborly Ditto)
Subject: Re: Recipe for Bubbly Pies
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:26:19 GMT


If it exists, could someone send it to me too??? 
Please??

--Kim
From: jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: moreta
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:49:19 GMT
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

jmars@mta.ca (Jennifer K. Mars) writes:
> 	I was upset enough at the end of _Moreta_ to ruin some poor 
> person's reading of _Dragonfquest_ on the subway by asking him
> if Prideth and Wirenth had died yet.  

	That's vicious. :)

> 	Thread falls. People die. Except on PernMUSH. :)
> 
> 				-Shandra.

	Rather hoping that those two, or at least the first one, changes soon.
				-Jim
				-Mertonn@SouConMUSH
				-Somebody@PernMUSH
From: raybro@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (Ray Brohinsky)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:04:21 GMT
Organization: United Technologies Research Center

Sean Connery as Robinton? And have the man responsible for diction
on all of pern schlug through all his lines?

I'm for all unknowns, too. After all, Anne's story as a movie
will be a box office success on the reputation of the authoress
and her stories, and there are plenty of out-of-work actors
every bit as good as the famous ones. Give them a chance.

Then, of course, the important question is `who will cast'?

Unfortunately, I can't answer, since I don't know the
first thing about casting houses.

raybro
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: u920065@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Dean Bailey)
Subject: Re: On the equaltiy and abilities of dragons...
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 22:40:34 GMT

In article <19vgc1INNj78@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, axg20@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashwath Ganesan) writes:
> 
> 
> 
> Speaking of green dragons getting the bum end of the deal (which
> Ellen Porter and Mezo did... and I'm not going to repeat it
> for you all... ), let's talk about blues for a second.
> 
> Ok, admittedly, I have a rather personal bias in the matter, as I
> am a blue rider on a MU*, oh, which reminds me, I am engaging in that
> forbidden activity of mixing MU* and book, so please take this with
> a grain of salt, I suppose.  At any rate, blue dragons are possibly
> the LEAST developed dragons in both the books, and on line.  Green
> s are developed due to flights, and riders like Mirrim, and the like, 
> while you have F'nor for browns, and, of course, bronzes and golds...
> 
> Blues, however somehow get left out on the sidelines... workhorse, or
> workdragons that they are.  In fact, off the top of my admittedly
> rusty head, the only real blue-rider I can think of is C'gan... the only
> one that they develop with any depth, that is.
> 


There is some development of blue dragons in "Moreta" as K'lor is a rather important
character since he was one of the first to survive the plague.  Also Moreta herself 
rode K'lor dragon quite often while her gold was clutching.  It is also mentioned that
blues are the most sensitive on the search.


Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: jmars@mta.ca (Jennifer K. Mars)
Subject: Bubbly pies
Reply-To: jmars@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:28:03 GMT

	Hmmm, I think some other people have discovered the post
function from here. :-) Anyway, to prevent further spamming of
afp with bubbly pie requests, I have the recipe on file (Do
not get the impression that I would know how to use it! Cooking
is not one of my many talents. :)), so email me to get it. 

			-Shandra