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From: tex@cs.nott.ac.uk (Timothy Emanuel)
Subject: Re: Graeme Souness
Organization: Nottingham University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 19:15:37 GMT

In article <BuFq6L.ADt@ecf.toronto.edu> yewhin@ecf.toronto.edu (YEW HIN Jimmy) writes:
>In article <1685DCDCF.074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za> 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za writes:
>>Graeme Souness thinks that he can buy success as he did in Scotland. Instead
[blah]
>>but then beating Sunderland aint exactly a mean achievement.
>> 
>Are you by any chance a Manchester United fan?
>
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Time to have my say, I think. I don't know about the original bloke, but
I'm a Man United fan, and I think it's wonderful what's going on down the
East Lancs road these days. There was even a Liverpool fan on 606 tonight,
moaning and groaning about Souness, and how bad Liverpool are, and I would
imagine that he will get little sympathy from British fans in general. I
don't believe Souness has ever proven himself to be a good manager, as 
previous posters have pointed out, with that much money available Jimmy
Hill could have brought success to Ibrox. Liverpool will do little or nothing
this season, and without major changes, for many seasons to come.
From: hofmeist@zorro.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Thomas Hofmeister)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Cup results of German teams
Date: 15 Sep 1992 21:42:35 GMT
Organization: CS Department, University of Dortmund, Germany
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Originator: hofmeist@zorro

Here are the results in the Eurocup, those games with
German participation:

Reykjavic   0 - 3  Kais'lautern
FC Floriana 0 - 1  Dortmund   (the first team also listed as La Valetta)
Bremen      3 - 1  Hannover 96
Koeln       2 - 0  Celtic Glasgow


And, a little bit belated (sorry...):
Here are cup results from the weekend:

RW Erfurt      0 - 0  Uerdingen      2:4 i.E.
Bamberg        1 - 3  Frankfurt
Bischofswerda  3 - 2  Oldenburg
Leverkusen     1 - 0  Kais'lautern
St. Pauli      2 - 3  Nuernberg   n.V.
Dresden	       2 - 3  Leipzig
Jena           2 - 1  Saarbruecken
Rostock        2 - 0  VfB Stuttgart n.V.
Aschaffenburg  0 - 6  Osnabrueck
Duisburg       0 - 0  1.FC Koeln     4:3 i.E.	
Karlsruhe      4 - 2  Hamburg
VfL Bochum     1 - 2  Hannover 96
F. Koeln       0 - 1  Meppen
RW Essen       2 - 0  Schalke 04
SC Freiburg    2 - 4  Hertha BSC
RW Frankfurt   3 - 4  Mannheim
Bremen Am.     1 - 2  M'gladbach
Beckum         0 - 7  Bremen
Stuttgarter K. 1 - 2  Chemnitz
Remscheid      2 - 1  Darmstadt
Hertha BSC Am. 3 - 0  Heidelberg
FC Freiburg    0 - 3  Mainz
Worms          2 - 4  Duesseldorf
Eisenh'stadt   1 - 1  Wuppertal      5:4 i.E.
Bad Homburg    1 - 5  Braunschweig
Aachen         1 - 2  FC Homburg
Ulm            2 - 1  Neubrandenburg
Plattling      2 - 1  Regensburg
Hoppstedten    0 - 3  Heilbronn
Reichlingen    5 - 4  Verl       n.V.
Stendal        0 - 1  Salmrohr
Dortmund       2 - 2  B. Muenchen     5:4 i.E.

Games drawn for the next round:

Nuernberg -  Remscheid
Uerdingen -  Hannover 96
Duisburg  -  Braunschweig
Salmrohr  -  FC Homburg
Frankfurt -  Mannheim
Meppen    -  Hertha BSC
Hertha Am.-  Leipzig
Ulm       -  Dortmund
Reichlingen- Chemnitz
Plattling -  Jena
Bremen    -  Mainz
RW Essen  -  Eisenh'stadt
Duesseld. -  Rostock
Osnabrueck-  M'gladbach
Bischofsw.-  Karlsruhe
Heilbronn -  Leverkusen
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From: dsamm@boi.hp.com (Dan Sammartino)
Subject: Re: Prime Sports soccer broadcasts
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 16:57:50 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

Having been an outspoken critic of NBC and the TripleCOST :-)
I agree that we should all call Prime Sports to let them know
we are watching and appreciative of them showing real football.

I also saw the women's college soccer (oops) football, hopefully
they will be able to show some men's games as well.

Dan Sammartino  


      



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From: bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Subject: Re: English Premier League results (plus a few from 1st Division)
Keywords: Saturday 5th Sept
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 11:06:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.163607.16375@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras) writes:
>From the BBC World Service:
>
>TOTTENHAM 2  EVERTON 1
>This was the commentary game. Everton let the game slip away towards the
>end. Peter Beardsley put the visitors in front, Paul Allen equalised
>after 79mins. Spurs managed to score the winning goal in injury time
>(I think it may have been Allen again - I couldn't hear clearly). 

Andy Turner, the Premier League's youngest player, scored the winner with
a thumping volley in the 90th minute.

-- 
Bruce Munro.  <bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk> || ...!mcsun!uknet!stc!bruce
BNR Europe Ltd, Oakleigh Rd South, London N11 1HB. 
Phone : +44 81 945 2174 or +44 81 945 4000 x2174
"There are no strangers, only friends we don't recognise" - Hank Wangford
From: collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins)
Subject: Re: Graeme Souness
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories Eindhoven, Netherlands
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:38:12 GMT

In <1685DCDCF.074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za> 074SPOCK@Witsvma.wits.ac.za writes:
>Graeme Souness thinks that he can buy success as he did in Scotland. Instead
>of wasting the Club's money on all these players whose names you cant
>even pronounce,

You mean to say you can't pronounce Mark Wright,   David James,    Rob Jones,   
Mark Walters,   Dean Saunders  ???????

And even if you can't pronounce a player's name what has that got to do with
his ability ??

>Sure, he brought the F.A cup to Anfield,
>but then beating Sunderland aint exactly a mean achievement.

Let's not devalue Sunderland's achievement in reaching the FA Cup final.
Just because they were in the second division doesn't mean that they were
a bad team.

Liverpool's luck came in the way they eliminated Portsmouth in the semis.

--
Donie Collins

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From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: Wembley
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:23:28 GMT

In article <MNEWS.716229384.839@gate.demon.co.uk> I.T.Marsh@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (I.T.Marsh) writes:
>
>>From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
>>Organization: University of Keele, England
>>Message-ID: <4055@keele.keele.ac.uk>
>
>>Any one know the capacity of Wembley now the horrible plastic 'seats' 
>>have been put in?
>>
>>Andy
>
>Wembley capacity now = 80,000
>
>Tom.


A far cry from 1923 when Wembley opened for its first big game on
28 April (its official opening had already taken place):

The FA Cup Final between Bolton Wanderers and West Ham.  Also known
as the "White Horse Final" because a mounted policeman, George Scorey,
and his white stallion, Billy, helped to keep the crowd overflow back off
of the pitch.

The official attendance was 126,047.  It has been said that the _actual_
attendance was probably in excess of 200,000.  There were estimates of
another 100,000 fans outside unable to get in.  Football fans and supporters
were trying to sit _anywhere_, even on the actual playing area itself --
solidly from goal to goal!  Amazingly the crowd was calm, not a hint of
trouble anywhere, but officials had to meet to plan a way to disperse the
crowd so that the game could get underway.  It was decided to call the
match off, but before the announcement was made, Police Constable Scorey
and Billy appeared and single-handedly nudged and coaxed until everyone
was pushed back to the edge of the playing area.  The players were called
out of the locker rooms and the game commenced.  Spectators were so tightly
packed around the field that one goal was disputed because it was thought
that a fan sitting on the goal line had kept the ball in play with his foot.
Bolton went on to win 2-0.  The FA publicly thanked Mr. Scorey and Billy.

According to the British Empire Exhibition authorites, Wembley (real name
The Empire Stadium, Wembley, scheduled to open in 1924 as part of the British
Empire Exhibition) could hold 127,000.  In 1921, The Prince of Wales urged
that the showpiece for the newest (and last) British Empire Exhibition should
be "a great national sports ground" that would be the mecca for world
football and an escape that would "appeal to all Britshers" on grand
sporting occasions.  Ground was broken by the Duke of York, later George VI,
in January 1922, and within one year the stadium was completed.  An
astounding rate of construction for a facility of this size.

The official capacity was 100,000 until the late 1970s when it was
reduced to 98,000 for safety reasons.  Its been reduced a few times
since then.


Sources --- Encyclopedia of British Football and Encyclopedia of World Soccer


-- 
|                     Garry Archer Esq.     archer@hsi.com                     |
|                                                                              |
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From: mazzarel@purina.berkeley.edu (Ariel Mazzarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Maradona to Sevilla
Date: 10 Sep 1992 18:16:08 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: purina.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep10.152104.24395@ncar.ucar.edu> newbery@zonda.atd.ucar.edu (Santiago Newbery) writes:
>Diego Maradona is free to go to Sevilla according to FIFA sec. general
>Joseph Blatter, who convinced the president of Napoli, Corrado Ferlaino,
>to agree to the transfer. This comes after several days of speculation,
>after Blatter made the request to the Italian Football Federation, to
>act on Maradona's behalf.

Excellent!  Hopefully he'll get back in shape and once again make
some magic.  And if we're lucky,  he'll be back for one last world cup.

Ariel
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From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: English News: Saunders joins Villa
Date: 14 Sep 92 08:19:49 GMT

Troubled England manager Graham Taylor has turned on his critics and insisted
he won't resign in the wake of the disappointing 1-0 defeat in Spain.
A number of national newspapers called for Taylor to quit but he pledged to
lead the side through to the World Cup.  "I can understand why people are asking
if I'm going to consider my position because that goes with the job when the
results aren't right," he said.  He described himself as cannon fodder
in a tabloid circulation war and added: "I feel I am the best man for the job
and I'm going to see out my contract."

Liverpool striker Dean Saunders has completed his much publicised move to
Aston Villa for a club record fee of #2.3 million.
The Welsh international, who scored in his country's 6-0 defeat of the Faroe
Islands on Wednesday, never seemed to properly fit into the Anfield set-up.
Saunders responded to the mounting transfer speculation by scoring in
Liverpool's 2-1 win at Chelsea last Saturday, his final game for the club.
Villa manager Ron Atkinson is expected to include him in the starting line-up
for Sunday's game at champions Leeds.

A relieved Dean Saunders said after his #2.3m move to Aston Villa: "I'm just
glad it's all over.  "As soon as I heard Ron Atkinson was
keen to sign me I wanted to join Villa but I have mixed emotions about leaving
Liverpool after only one full season." The fee sent Saunders' total value in
four transfers soaring to #6.4m, but the deal was considerably less than the
#2.9m Liverpool paid Derby for him.  Villa boss Ron Atkinson said: "I'm very
happy to have acquired one of the top three strikers in Britain. I have told
him he will have the number nine shirt"

Wales manager Terry Yorath has slammed Liverpool's treatment of Dean Saunders
after his #2.3m move to Aston Villa.  Saunders was at Anfield for just 15
months and Yorath suggested that the club had never got the best out of him.
"At Liverpool Dean has been going into areas where he can't score goals. He's
at his best when he's running on the ball and getting to the byline."
Yorath said he still believed Saunders was one of the best players in Britain
"provided he gets the right service and provided the people who work with him
and coach him gee him up."

Nigel Jemson's proposed move back to Nottingham Forest in a #1.2m swap deal
which would take Kingsley Black to Sheffield Wednesday has been delayed
until next week.

Sheffield United have taken former Bramall Lane favourite Tony Agana back
on a month's loan from Notts County and the striker may be plunged into action
against Liverpool on Saturday.
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From: glenn@inmos.co.uk (Glenn Hill)
Subject: Wolves supporters
Reply-To: glenn@inmos.co.uk (Glenn Hill)
Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:18:53 GMT

I am collecting an EMAIL distribution list for Wolves supporters. The
idea of this being that Wolves reports/news/gossip/questions/answers
can be distributed via an "unofficial newsgroup" without cluttering
RSS.

Please send me your EMAIL address if you are interested in subscribing.

*************************************************
* Glenn  * Wandering to Adams Park and Molineux *
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From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Romania round 4 and 5
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:02:44 GMT

Round 4
Otelul                       1-0 Uni Cluj
Dacia                        0-0 Poli
Uni Cra                      2-0 Ploiesti
Steaua                       2-0 Bacau
Brasov                       4-0 Resita
Rapid                        1-1 Progresul
Gloria                       1-0 Electro
Farul                        2-2 Dinamo
Inter                        3-3 Sportul

Round 5
Electro                      0-1 Brasov
Dinamo                       4-1 Gloria
Sportul                      2-1 Farul
Uni Cluj                     2-0 Ploiesti
Bacau                        1-1 Otelul
Progresul                    1-3 Steaua
Resita                       1-1 Rapid
Dacia                        2-2 Uni Cra
Poli                         2-3 Inter


-- 
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
"O hoe vergeefs / des doelmans hand / zich strekte naar de bal    [  21-6-88,  ]
 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
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From: yewhin@ecf.toronto.edu (YEW HIN Jimmy)
Subject: Liverpool and Souness bashing
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:37:12 GMT

It is incredible that so many people (probably Man.Utd fans) are now bringing
forward the fact that the Liverpool management has been chasing the best 
players in England and the world to bring them to Anfield Road and arguing the
fact that this is why they have been doing so well during the last decade.
First, it is not true that just buying the best players available can bring 
trophies. It also takes a good organization and team spirit to put all those 
talents together, which obviously Liverpool has been doing extremely well 
during those last years.
Second, what's wrong with trying to get the best players on your side to try
to make your team as competitive as possible. Isn't that the main idea of any 
sports. If you think that's wrong, then you should also criticize all those     mega budget teams in the italian league.
All the best players in the world are there. Sylvio Berlusconi has been spending
billions on world talents. May be it is not fair to other teams that are not as
wealthy, but if he does has the money, why not use it to help the team win
the championship.

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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Re: Prime Sports soccer broadcasts
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:31:57 GMT

The Prime Network affiliate in my area showed two mens Big East games this
weekend with same day coverage.  I think they will be showing about 15 games
this year.

Andy

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From: yewhin@ecf.toronto.edu (YEW HIN Jimmy)
Subject: Re: SOUNESS
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:34:16 GMT

In article <199209102300.AA04470@rata.vuw.ac.nz> mphillip@MATAI.VUW.AC.NZ writes:
>Just to throw in my tuppenceworth, I always thought that Souness was one of
>the filthiest players I ever saw---which is exactly what you need in the
>heart of your midfield. In terms of his managerial ability, I think that
>given all the money that was available for players at Rangers even Graham
>Taylor might have managed to win a few trophies.
>
>regarding the current situation at Anfield, it really makes me laugh.
>Liverpool fans seem to think that the world is about to end just because
>their team has lost a few games and hasn't won every trophy available
>(including the World Cup and European Championships) over the past two
>seasons. Get real! You have been spoiled for far too long  by having the
>pick  of all the best players and a very inferior set of teams as
>opposition. Well, the situation has changed and you are going to have to
>get used to having an ordinary team. i must admit I derive a great deal of
>satisfaction from this as Liverpool supporters have to be some of the most
>fickle on the entire planet. A few years back there was an attendance of
>about 9000 for a European Cup match at Anfield. Almost every other team in
>the country  would have sold out  for a European Cup Match (regardless of
>the opposition).
>
>So, don't think that even if you dumped Souness the "Glory Days" would
>return.Face facts, the so-called Liverpool system has come home to roost.
>You have fallen behind the other top teams as they can attract the best
>young players now. Daglish knew what was coming and bailed out and good on

Another loser from the Manchester United fan club.

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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re:Team budget
Keywords: 3 in a row
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:02:22 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster


In a recent posting some wrote this........                  w
>Talking about the cost of a team and Souness' team budget, I came across
>an article in the latest issue of "Shoot" which listed the costs of 
>the Scottish Premier Div teams. For your interest, this's what the writer
>says:

Team		Cost of team

**Rangers		*12m*
**Celtic		*6.8m*



>Well, considering that Souness had about twice the budget of his 
>nearest rival, the recent success of Rangers doesn't seem that
>spectacular anymore. But as someone has pointed out, money doesn't
>mean everything in England. Teams like Ipswich can still provide
>miracles.

And the 6.8 million Celtic spent certainly shows money doesnt buy success..
no trophies in 3 years !!
-- 
Sandy Mackinnon
University of Strathclyde
Glasgow
cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
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From: michal@vsnmc2.cern.ch (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: Wednesday's football news/results from Europe
Keywords: English Premier, World Cup etc..
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, Geneva
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 13:02:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.140650.18110@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jcostas@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (constantinos.n.tsioras) writes:
>World Cup Qualifiers -  Group 4:
>
>CZECHOSLOVAKIA  1 - 2  BELGIUM
>Kadlec 77'             Chovanec 45' (own goal)
>                       Chierniatinsky 83'
>(I'm sure I killed the spelling of the scorers - someone please correct).

Correct spelling: Czerniatynski.  Cheers.

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From: cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Subject: Re:Scottish International Fitba' Quiz
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:29:50 GMT


>Clue: Apparently world class (that's world class in a Scottish sense), had a
>      host of clubs trying to sign him when he was out of contract during the
>      summer like em, em..... Did not play the second half of last nights
>      defeat in Berne. One source on this net even suggested that any Rangers
>      player couldn't lace his boots

>Now let's start this discussion of the most over-rated player in Scotland....

	It's as well seeing you're never going to be a professional 
journalist, Scott. The first rule is you *never* criticise Paul......


-- 
Sandy Mackinnon
University of Strathclyde
Glasgow
cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk


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From: ballan@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Christina Ballantyne)
Subject: Switzerland v Scotland result wanted
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:05:18 GMT

Can anyone tell me the result of the Switzerland v Scotland match last night.
A report would be great too.
Thanks.
--
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From: esc158t@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: ITALY - Serie A - Round 1
Date: 6 Sep 92 16:25:31 GMT
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

Italian Serie A - Round 1

Atalanta	2	Parma	1
Rambaudi (pen) 78'

Sent off: Taffarel (Parma) for prof. foul

Cagliari	0	Juventus  0


Fiorentina	1	Genoa	1
Effenberg 53'		Van't Schip 66'

Sent off: Pioli (Fior.) in first half and Collovati (Gen.) in second half
both for prof. fouls


Milan		1	Foggia	0
Grandini (OG) 59'


Napoli		0	Brescia	 0

Sent off: Hagi (Brescia) for kicking an opponent.
Note: in the first half Careca (Napoli) missed a penalty kick


Roma		0	Pescara  1
			Nobile  75'


Sampdoria	3	Lazio   3
Fuser (OG)  6'		Signori  18'
Jugovic  37'		Singori  21'
Mancini (pen) 53'	Buso (OG)  74'


Torino		4	Ancona	1
Casagrande  31'		Detari (pen)  61'
Casagrande  36'
Gatta ? (OG) 40'
Scifo  74'

Sent off: Casagrande (Torino) for prof. foul.


Udinese		2	Internazionale  1
Balbo 69'		Schillaci (pen) 76'
Contratto 86'

Sent off: Bergomi (Inter) for prof. foul.


That's it folks, just hot off the radio from Australia.


Cheers,

Alfonso Trudu
Monash Uni., Melbourne
From: CRJ14530@acuvax.acu.edu (Judd Christopher R.)
Subject: Roy Wegerle
Organization: Abilene Christian University, Abilene, TX
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:21:20 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20

How is Roy Wegerle of Blackburn and U.S. national team playing this season?

Well I am curious because I don't get watch him play on TV  down here in Texas.


U.S. Cup '92        U.S.- 3       Ireland- 1

Christopher Judd
(CRJ14530@acuvax.acu.edu)
AKA DangerMaus.