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From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Cougar Bowl Hopes?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 09:16:45 GMT

In <1992Nov22.011628.23964@serval.net.wsu.edu> jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer) writes:

>In the KXLY post-game coverage of the Apple Cup, WSU AD Jim
>Livengood was just interviewed and asked about the bowl
>possibilities.  He said that he had just gotten off of the
>phone about 3 minutes ago with the Copper Bowl people, and
>while he wouldn't say anything specific, he said the conversation
>was a very good one for Cougar fans.  And he looked genuinely
>happy.  Should I be optimistic?  And a little bit later, someone
>(I can't remember who now, I was away from the TV) alluded to a
>possible WSU-Iowa matchup.

>Isn't it a shame that an 8-3 PAC-10 team has to wait to see if
>it's going to be in a bowl?

>Jim
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No, Jim, wait!  The win in the Apple Cup puts WSU in a tie with USC for
third place.  They are almost certain to go to a bowl.
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From: aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Stanford 40, WSU 3
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:02:01 GMT

bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:

>In article <aelman.721810498@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> aelman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Adam Elman) writes:
>Yes, during the first half WSU moved the ball OK.  And the defense
>was doing a pretty good job.  It didn't help that WSU gave away
>two touchdowns---Bledsoe's fumble on the 4.  And did you see that
>amazing pass?  Bledsoe was being sacked, and he heave the ball
>about 50 yards.  It went right to CJ Davis, who is a great receiver
>and was 10+ yards past his coverage, but CJ let it go through his
>hands.  

I did see that -- it was the specific incident I had in mind when I
made the comment that Bledsoe is a great quarterback, but doesn't have
the receivers to match...:-)

>Anyway, at halftime (10-3 Stanford) I thought it would be OK; the Cougars
>generally make good halftime adjustments and then score a lot of
>points in the 3rd quarter.  But then Bledsoe was getting no protection
>(and didn't seem to be having a great day) and the defense was
>not getting to the QB and was making a lot of arm tackes that
>were broken.

>I don't know if Stanford's offense came alive or the WSU defense
>got tired or outsmarted or whatever.  Those two 30+ Mylburn touchdown
>runs where he took one step left and cut right to get a pitch were
>definitely poetry.  But in the first half the Cougs put good pressure
>on  the Stanford QB, but in the second half they gave him 5-6 seconds
>to pass, and this just killed us.

Yeah -- it's nice to see the Stanford offensive line actually
protecting the quarterback for once, whether it was because of a lack
of WSU defense or not...

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
From: bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Iowa-Minesota score, anyone?
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:46:13 GMT
Distribution: usa

Did Iowa win this game (no scores on CNN headnline news..)?
Us Pac10 bigots (esp. from mid-level Pac10 teams) are hoping
that Iowa (now 5-6) does not win and become eligible for
the Copper Bowl, so 8-3 WSU or some 7-4 Pac10 team isn't
passed up for them....
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From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: All AP & CNN/USA pollsters, read this
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:02:01 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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rjones@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones) writes:

>In article <1992Nov16.161517.26819@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> kkc@nursing.arizona.edu writes:
>>
>>To all the AP and CNN/USA pollsters:
>>    Please use some common sense! What have TAMU done to deserve this high 
>>ranking? They have the SHITTIEST schedule among the top 10 teams. They fact 
>>that they are still undefeated doesn't mean they are good. Look at their
>>shit schedules. Who have they played so far?? How many games have you guys
>>seen TAMU played so far to say that they are good (From Thurs game, they don't
>>look like a top 25 team to me).
>>    Again, please use some brain when making a vote. 

>Now, hold on here.  I think TAMU is full of a bunch of hicks as much as the
>next guy, and I'd love to see their team fall in the polls, but we can turn your
>argument around and note that just because they "have the SHITTIEST schedule
>among the top 10 teams" doesn't mean they are bad.  You'd have to have a
>pretty good reason not to rank ANY undefeated team high at this point in the
>season.

The reason that I wouldn't rank them as high as they are is not because of
their schedule alone, but because of their schedule and the fact that
they haven't dominated their easy opponents.  Power ranking systems
show this fact well.  Take a look at mine or any of the others.  You
will find that TAMU is not ranked as high as in the conventional polls.

Kevin
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (William P. Jones)
Subject: Re: Open question to Notre Dame fans
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Organization: NASA-Ames Research Center
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:31:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.002347.1106@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, zuniga@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Ralph Zuniga (FREAC/CAR)) writes...
>How about if ND drops the Navy game from its schedule, and decides to resume
>the series with Miami??? Navy hasn't won a game in this series since the 60's.
>What do you ND'ers think??
Notre Dame has offered Navy the option of ending the series at any time. It is 
unlikely that ND will terminate the series on it's own because ND feels that it 
owes its survival as an institution during WW2 to the Navy. ND was chosen to be 
one of the major naval officer training locations during the war and that kept 
the dormatories and classrooms filled. The Navy also taught ND that two people 
could live in a dorm room designed for one, a lesson that came in handy after 
the war when enrollments boomed. 

If ND had a vacancy open up on their schedule, they would be more likely to 
schedule FSU than Miami simply because the FSU program has more class. (flame 
retardant suit donned)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan)
Subject: Re: OU over OSU?
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 20:26:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.235331.13291@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>,
crobbins@lonestar.utsa.edu (Chris S. Robbins) writes:
> 
> 
>  mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan) writes:
> 
> >      A SWC lesson from a BIG 8 member:
> >
> >      tu- texas university
> >      UT- University of Tennessee
> 
>     It's pretty sad when a sooner has to take an old, worn out, aggie
>     cliche and try to use it to insult a fan of The University of Texas.
>     Whenever you guys have a season where you can snap the four year
> streak
>     and not tie OSU, then you can talk.  Oh well, at least basketball
> season
>     is about to begin, ou has a fairly decent team, right???
> 
Why didn't you include the rest of the article? Hell Chris, I just
answered
the article. Get a life! About this four year streak you keep bringing up,
I
know you are proud of yourselves. Rightfully so. Remember, OU had a four
year streak just before yours, but nothing was never said. Again, just
like a longhorn, didn't even have a winning season last year and still
talking trash.



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck)
Subject: Re: Miami's NYD Opponent
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:48:11 GMT

john@makesys.com (John Turman) writes:

[Drivel about the 'Canes beating up on NFL teams deleted...]

>Any objections?

Yeah.  I object to Reagonomics.  I object to Clarence Thomas.  I object to
the Boilerweenie Institute.  I object to overcooked spaghetti.  Mostly,
however, I object to the fact that you've got net.access.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Fight songs
From: bsutesch@wsuhub.uc.twsu.edu
Date: 21 Nov 92 18:40:08 CST
Organization: Wichita State University, Wichita, Ks

In article <1992Nov18.193459.14120@hou.amoco.com>, zjsg12@hou.amoco.com (Jeffry S. Gracey) writes:
> An Aggie line to TEXAS FIGHT that I heard in school:
> 
> 
> Texas Bites ! Texas Bites !
> Texas Jumps up and bites my a--.	
> 
> (repeated with Texas Fights) 
> 
> and finally:
> 
> Suck it horns ! Suck it horns ! Suck my d---.
> Texas Jumps up and bites my a--.
> 

I especially like the eATMe fight song:

(the lullaby part)
I want my mommy, I want my mommy,
I want my mommy, NOW! AND A RAG DOG TOO!

Brian

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: mbs@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak)
Subject: Re: Gerry Faust and the Liberty Bowl
Organization: Landmark/Zycor   Austin, Texas
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 13:13:40 GMT

In article <BxxwII.7q6@encore.com> jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich) writes:
>pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>
>>In Gerry Faust's thrid year, the Liberty Bowl looked to the Irish as a possible
>>participant.  They made it clear that if the Irish were to win vs. Air Force, 
>>then Notre Dame would be extended an invitation.  Well, the Irish lost to the
>>Air Force (in what I beleive was Scott Grooms' only start at quarterback for 
>>the Irish.)  Badly.  After the game, the team voted to ask the Liberty Bowl
>>people to extend the invitation to a different team.  A week later, teh Liberty
>>Bowl people came back to Notre Dame and asked again, "Would you please consider
>>playing in our game as we can find no other suitable (read: profitable) team to
>>invite.  This time, the 6-5 Irish accepted.  The result was Gerry Faust's only 
>>Bowl win.  It came over a Doug Flutie lead Boston College team.
>
>>So it is indeed true that a Gerry Faust team did decline a bowl invitation, but
>>they went anyhow.
>
>This is the kind of shit that makes me want to puke ! God I'm crying for
>the poor ND .....(left blank 'cause I counted to 10).
>
>Pat, if Notre Dame is as high and mighty as you and a few others always
>suggest , they would quit blaming the begging bowl people etc. for scenes
>like you describe above. As I said in another post , there was a damn good
>E. Carolina team that was 8-3 that year (with the losses being by only
>a few points to Florida, Florida State, and Miami) that sure as hell should
>have gone to the bowl before a sorry-ass Faust led 6-5 Notre Dame.

Justin, take a valium.  Pat was merely explaining the circumstances, not
suggesting that it was the right thing to do.  Most ND fans would probably
agree that ND didn't really deserve to go.  Nobody is "blaming" the
"begging" bowl people.  Just because you imagine that events occurred in
such a way does not make it so.

>
>I know you can't keep Notre Dame from wheeling and dealing for every
>advantage in the book and all the money they can grab but you sure as
>hell can come off your 'holier than thou' stance and start admitting
>that there are some reasons why Notre Dame is the second most hated school
>in the USA. 

Where was Pat's "holier than thou" stance?  You really don't do any
credit to your argument when you go off the deep end like this.  You
just sound like a bitter ND-hater, whose judgment is therefore clouded.

>
>And Notre Dame beating BC by a whole point in that game doesn't have a
>damn thing to do with the fact that they should have just said no.
>

Survey SAYS ... BZZZZZT!!  Wrong.  ND crushed BC, 54-7.  It was Penn State
that they beat by 1, which is what you meant I'm sure.  Not too many teams
blow Penn State out.

>Justin - I guess I stayed nice as long as I could - Frederich
>
>




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From: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: majors forced out?!?
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:12:30 EST
Reply-To: "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Executive Networks Information

In a decision that may make Ohio State's firing of Earle Bruce look like
a good move, the University of Tennessee has forced Johnny Majors to
leave at the end of the season.


Why?


The are some details I do not know, for example the performance of
his athletes as students. Could that be the reason he is being forced out?

Nah... no one ever loses a job for that, unless of course their
players do too well academically. :)

I know Volunteer backers are upset that their team has seemingly not
played well since Majors came back from heart surgery, but the situation
is not that simple.

1) Tennessee was not expected to do well this year after losing 15 starters.

2) The Volunteers good start came as a benefit of many Georgia Bulldog
   turnovers, and a very bad Florida Gator performance. In fact Steve
   Spurrier's has yet to beat a ranked team on the road in 3 years at
   Florida. The other early season Tennessee wins came at the expense
   of weaklings LSU, SW La, and Cincinnati.

3) Major's 1-3 record since his return could easily be better. Lost to
   51 yard game ending FG, lost when a 2 pt conversion versus a *vastly*
   improved South Carolina team failed, and lost by one TD to national
   championship contender Alabama.


Johnny Majors won a national championship at Pittsburgh and I guess he
was expected to do the same at Tennesee. If the Volunteer administration
and Alumni think that replacing Majors will bring them a national
championship they are likely to be sadly mistaken.


Under Majors, Tennessee won the 1991, and 1986 Sugar Bowls. The 1986
Sugar bowl was especially memorable because heavy favorite Miami
was on a ten game winning streak, yet Tennesee whipped them 35-7.

I am hard pressed to find *any* other SEC team that has won the Sugar
Bowl recently.

1992: Florida lost to Notre Dame
1991: (Tenn beat Virginia)
1990: Alabama lost to Miami
1989: Auburn lost to Florida State
1988: Auburn tied Syracuse in a controversial game.
1987: ?
1986: (Tenn routed Miami)
1977: Majors Pitt Panthers beat Georgia, win National title.


I hope Johnny Majors ends up in Columbus, we could use him.
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From: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason Fawcett)
Subject: Re: Possible #1 vs. #2 matchup in major bowl games.
Reply-To: jfawcett@encore.com (Jason "Raise Cane" Fawcett)
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:43:45 GMT

News-Software: NN 6.4.16

In <1992Nov16.152624.10084@ods.com> scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:

| Alireza Vali (reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu) wrote:
| : Scenario 4: MNC decided in the Fiesta Bowl.
| : 
| : #1 Miami (11-0) vs. #2 Florida State (10-1)
| : 
| : This one will be possible if, again, Alabama loses
| 
| My question is: 
| 
| Why in the world would Miami play FSU again?  They already beat them.
| Now I know this will bring out cries of "chicken" from the FSU crowd,
| but really, what does Miami have to gain from a rematch?  How could
| they be accused of ducking FSU?  They already played them, AND WON...
| 
| So, if they didn't play a rematch, what would happen? (Assuming Alabama
| loses)

Bama or Florida wants Miami in the Sugar.  Texas A&M wants us in the Cotton.
ND wants us in the Fiesta.  Nebraska or Colorado wants us in the Orange.
Also, Billy Joe at Washington wants us, for a transfer ;-).

This is a waste of time, now that Michigan and Washington are out of the
top four spots.  If, Miami is still #1 on 12/31 the Canes will have no
choice who they play, unless Washington can get back to #2.

At this point I want Bama, because of New Orleans is a party town.  


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Miami 1992 Here we come again. Catch Us if you can.  Un-HUN.


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From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Re: Cougars CRUSH Huskies!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:23:30 GMT

>Probably not, he got his "education" at WSU
>You piece of shit, can't you accept your gift gracefully?
>Maybe this gift will make you forget you are living in a shit-hole
>called Pullman, at least till you wake up in a pile of cow shit.
[...]
>So you think the Palosers deserve to play in a bowl game?  I guess you'll
>have to create your own bowl.  Maybe you can call it, "The Big, Slow, Didn't-
>Get-recruited-by-any-other-schools-and-education-isn't-that-important-anyway
>Bowl".  Don't forget to bring a battery charger for Bobo!
[...]
>Why don't you stop celebrating and go back to work on your final EE project,
>programming the commodore 64.

     When I was growing up in the S.F. Bay Area, I thought that Cardinal fans
set the standard for class in the Pac-Ten. I see I was mistaken.
     I've got news for you Bill (if that *is* your real name :-) ): Washington 
got trounced. Crushed. Pounded. Stuffed. Made into apple sauce. The game wasn't
even as close as the score. The game wasn't a "gift" from the benevolent 
Huskies, it was an outright victory earned by the hard-playing Cougars. I guess
after that Billy Joe thing, you people in Seattle think everything that goes 
wrong has to involve a gift, right?
     I have just suffered through four consecutive Ohio State losses to 
Michigan, but none of them turned me into the kind of crybaby that you've shown
yourself to be. Sober up, grow up, or shut up, okay?

                                        Steve
///
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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Verbal Bashing Of Miami
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:16:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvmark.1992Nov17.181608.30749
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article <BILLMS.92Nov16113407@gip.eecs.umich.edu> billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>
>   and I now feel that you are very thin-skinned concerning them but I've
>   never made any kind of a personnal attack like you do. I've basically
>
>Please point out my personal attacks.  I've done that very infrequently, but
>done it none the less, and most of the time (as a few people on the net can
>attest to) I'll step up and apologize for them.  I don't, however, blindly
>throw around baseless comments attacking either posters or their teams.  My
>*only* problem with you Justin, is that you do exactly this with my favorite
>team.  But thats actually my problem, I shouldn't let your prejudice get the
>better of me that way.  By the way, I'm sorry I called you a jerk a few posts
>ago.
>

Justin, Bill.. Calm down....

Justin, in Bill's defense (not that he needs my help), I have had "run ins"
with him on many different newsgroups, but only over differences of opinion.
I have NEVER seen Bill drag himself down into the realm of personal attacks.
In this aspect, I have more respect for Bill than about 99% of the net.people
I have encountered.  Too often do people (myself included) that have a 
difference of opinion fall into the personal attacks.  Whatever his opinion,
and regardless of the fact he is wrong :-), he has always, in my experience,
kept to the issue and not attacked the person.   Bill is, without a doubt,
true Blue.   He is definitely biased towards Michigan, and this is fine.  
However, he is also one of the few INTELLIGENT posters, in that he just 
doesn't give the old "my team is better than yours" crap that a lot of other
people do.  He tends to give intelligent, well-thought out opinions.  I have
not always agreed with his conclusions, but have never questioned his 
method or approach.  Personally, I wish we had more people like Bill on the
net, as it would be a lot more informative and easy-going a place...

That said, let's get back to football..

Go 'Canes... :-)
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