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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: Missing library functions
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:49:15 GMT

behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens) writes:

>Or use system(). :)

  I think you'll find that system() is overkill.  system() will call the
shell, which ends up forking another new process (and in UNIX if you're
doing an exec* then you just got done forking a new process).  system()
also makes shell job control entries and that's definitely not in the
definition of exec*.

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From: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Subject: Re: ORCA/C 2.0 is shipping! (Was Re: Missing library functions)
Reply-To: stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:27:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.130513.45685@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2ftrribbon@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Robert Hill) writes:
>
>	I just recieved the ORCA/C 2.0 brochure, and it lists vfprintf,
>vprintf, and vsprintf.  Apparently, 2.0 is shipping;  if you bought ORCA/C
>before Sept. 1, 1992, the upgrade is $25, otherwise it is $50 (until Feb. 28,
>1993).
>
>	I'm looking forward to getting the update, so I better go order it 
>now! :)

	If you read the transcript on CSA2, it's not shipping yet.
Mike W. said on the chat that it would be about 2-3 weeks.

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From: jmk3@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Jay Krell)
Subject: Re: Missing library functions
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:00:13 GMT

>From: jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes)
>Subject: Missing library functions
 
>I'm working on some software that requires the following library
>functions, and was wondering if anyone knew if there were workarounds,
>or if someone was already writing these routines:
 
>vfprintf (I've seen a vsprintf addon, but no vfprintf)
 
I think Mike said ORCA/C 2.0 would include vfprintf. I know some previously
omitted functions with similar names were added.
 
  --Jay, jay.krell@cornell.edu

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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: Bug in Stevie?
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:58:56 GMT

hartkopf@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jeff Hartkopf) writes:

>I have a problem with Stevie, the vi clone for GNO.  It doesn't seem 
>to be able to break a line in two by inserting a newline in the
>middle of a line--the rest of the line from the insertion point on
>gets lost.  

  I do this all the time in Stevie without a problem. Make sure you've
got the very latest version from Pindarus (It's dated June or July).
It could be a screen driver bug in Stevie that was fixed some time
ago.

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From: hartkopf@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jeff Hartkopf)
Subject: Bug in Stevie?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:47:02 GMT



I have a problem with Stevie, the vi clone for GNO.  It doesn't seem 
to be able to break a line in two by inserting a newline in the
middle of a line--the rest of the line from the insertion point on
gets lost.  

To get this to happen, bring up vi and move to a full line of text.
Move to somewhere in the middle of the line of text and type the 
following keys:

i
return
escape
^L

Once you type the ^L to redraw the screen, the remainder of the line
following the inserted newline is gone!

Am I doing something wrong, or has this nasty bug not been found 


Jeff Hartkopf
University of Colorado at Boulder
Internet: hartkopf@spot.colorado.edu
From: vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: Improving EMACS
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:42:24 GMT
Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC CANADA

David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

>In article <jmk3.724051026@crux1.cit.cornell.edu> jmk3@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Jay M. Krell) writes:
>> >the loader is supposed to have a check which will force a reload from disk if
>> >the disk file is newer than the cached copy.

>Which 'loader' do you mean?  The ORCA 'FastFile' system does check the
>date/time of the file, so if you copy a new version of an EXE file
>into the ORCA utilities directory, it will be loaded instead of the
>in-memory version.

The ORCA fastfile system doesn't have anything to do with loading programs.
Isn't the fastfile system supported in GNO for compatibility with ORCA only?

>> If you mean the System Loader, I don't think it does. I've heard of people
>> having problems debugging because they made their app restartable and instead
>> of the loading the latest version, they would accidentally just restart the old
>> one from memory. Thus: while developing, keep your apps non-restartable.

>Agreed.  I just checked the System Loader chapter of the GS/OS
>reference, and can't see anything about the Restart function checking
>if the file on disk is newer than the one in memory.

Same here. I guess it doesn't. I thought it did...
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From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Missing library functions
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 07:45:13 GMT

In article <1glthpINNjad@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes) writes:
> I'm working on some software that requires the following library 
> functions, and was wondering if anyone knew if there were workarounds,
> or if someone was already writing these routines:

[Others have already commented on mktemp, vfprintf and execvp]

> fileno

You'll probably find that fileno isn't usable in quite the normal way.
On UNIX and DOS systems, fileno will return the file handle used by
the low-level open(), read(), write() and close() functions to access
the file.  In ORCA/C, the buffered file I/O routines don't call the
low-level routines, rather they call GS/OS directly.  I suspect a
fileno() macro would return the GS/OS file reference number, which is
probably different to the one used by open(), read(), etc.
-- 
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From: taob@r-node.gts.org (Brian Tao)
Subject: Re: Improving EMACS
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:02:38 GMT

In article <Bz07ys.83t@CAM.ORG> vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry) writes:
>bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
>>  I need some nifty ASCII text graphics of the Procyon logo.  I tried
>>once, and it was miserable.  Anyone else wanna try? :)
>
>What does it look like?

    A few raytraced versions of the logo were uploaded in 3200-colour
format on cba2 a while ago.  Anyway, I missed the original article (news
server here lost a 300-meg drive...):  Jawaid, do you want just plain
ASCII or is Mousetext OK?
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From: sander@cerebus.cc.edu (Merry Christmas!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: GNO-L Test Message
Date: 16 Dec 92 18:26:58 GMT
Organization: GSrecluse's Dorm room.

Ok.  I'm on the list and I'm still getting blank messages from
news@csn.org.

Scott Anderson
sander@elektra.cc.edu
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From: vagrant@vpnet.chi.il.us (Guy Umbright)
Subject: Re: Telcom bad thing
Organization: Vpnet - Free Usenet access
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 05:23:04 GMT

I'll accept that answer.   :)
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Subject: Re: Quitting GNO programs
From: David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:28:18 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <F8VmVB7w165w@lablues.UUCP> larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider) writes:
>
> [re GS/OS reference]
> 
> Mine only goes to appendix E; where do you get the rest of it??

Huh???  I bought this one from APDA when they were first released.
Its official title is "Apple IIgs GS/OS Reference", by Apple Computer
Inc., with a side note "For GS/OS System Software Version 5.0 and
Later".  Addison-Wesley spine code 55020, ISBN 0-201-55020-2.

You aren't still using the Beta Draft, are you?  I think I've disposed
of my beta copy, so I can't check which appendices it has.
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From: gwlester@cpu.com (Gerald W. Lester)
Subject: Re: cc on cba2
Organization: Computerized Processes Unlimited, Metairie, LA, (504)-889-2784
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:38:59 GMT
Reply-To: gwlester@cpu.com

In article <1992Dec15.135458.19460@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>, behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens) writes:
>The subject says it. Check it out, though it could have more features
>(which? I'll implement them :), it's a start for those of you who are
>sick of 'compile -E -P foo.c cc=(-DBAR) keep=foo'.
>
>Soenke

	Can/has someone uploaded this to pindarus?
From: jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu (James L. Brookes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: More on missing librarries
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:37:49 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu

After some help from Mike Frankowski, I've managed to work around the 
problems I mentioned earlier.

vfprintf is just vsprintf(buffer) ; fprintf(buffer), so no biggie there.
fileno I replaced with a small function to get the GS/OS file ref
from the FILE structure.  it's very small, but I think it should be
included with the GNO distribution in the future (gnolib?)
mktemp - I havn't replaced this one yet, but will if noone has one 
already written.  it sounds pretty simple
execvp - apparently this is identical to Orca's "system" call.  Live
and learn :)

Replies on whether a mktemp already exists are welcome.
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From: gdesroch@slate.mines.colorado.edu (DESROCHERS GARY FREDERIC)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: ORCA/C 2.0 is shipping! (Was Re: Missing library functions)
Date: 16 Dec 92 22:02:22 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

2ftrribbon@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Robert Hill) writes:
: 	I just recieved the ORCA/C 2.0 brochure, and it lists vfprintf,
: vprintf, and vsprintf.  Apparently, 2.0 is shipping;  if you bought ORCA/C
: before Sept. 1, 1992, the upgrade is $25, otherwise it is $50 (until Feb. 28,
: 1993).

     Before Sept. 1, 1992?!?  I must have misread it.
-- 
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From: henigan@quando.quantum.de (Kevin Henigan)
Subject: Ctags
Organization: Quantum Software GmbH, Dortmund, Germany
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 09:01:33 GMT

Just ported the un*x ctags, it will be posted to cba2 in the next few days,
(sorry can't ftp to pindarus, I only get as far as 128.174.56.2 and then
time out ).

If you don't know what ctags is, it can be run on all your .c files to
generate a list of functions in the 'tags' file. This tags file can
be used in stevie to jump to the function. Position the cursor at the
subroutines name and type cntrl-shift ], and the function will be
displayed.

I use it all the time when developing progs, you don't have to remember
where all the subroutines are.

Let me know what you think.

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From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: Improving EMACS
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 05:02:27 GMT

vandry@CAM.ORG (Phillip Vandry) writes:

>gwlester@cpu.com (Gerald W. Lester) writes:
>>	How about adding a shell command (as opposed to shell-commad).  What
>>this command does on most EMACS is to create a window in emacs into which you
>>can type shell commands, have them execute (when you hit return), and get the

How about giving uEmacs the capability to spawn a shell back? That was removed
because at the time no shell supported it, but now would be a perfect time
to put it back in (uEmacs could check if it's in GNO, and refuse to spawn
a shell if not).

Soenke
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From: taob@r-node.gts.org (Brian Tao)
Subject: csa2.gno archive
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 18:25:55 GMT

    *sigh*... because of limited disk space here, news articles are expiring
in less than a day (and I just found that out today).  Jawaid, I hope you
have the articles here archived on pindarus!  ;-)
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From: larry@lablues.UUCP (Lawrance A. Schneider)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: Quitting GNO programs
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 15:02:50 EST
Organization: L/A Blues BBS - Auburn ME (207) 777-3465 & 7782

David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

> In article <jmk3.723695544@crux1.cit.cornell.edu> jmk3@crux2.cit.cornell.edu 
> >  
> > _Somewhat_ undocumented? How about totally undocumented. Or did I miss it
> > somewhere?
> 
> The conventions for writing a shell program are well documented in the
> APW and ORCA/M manuals, including returning an error code in the
> accumulator.  It is also documented in the GS/OS Reference (Appendix
> F, Object Module Format, subsection "Shell Applications", Page 478).
> 
> I don't know what the GNO documentation has to say on the matter.
> -- 
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> 
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Mine only goes to appendix E; where do you get the rest of it??

Larry

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From: behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens)
Subject: Re: More on missing librarries
Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:21:31 GMT

mfrankow@hamline.edu (Mike Frankowski) writes:

>James L. Brookes (jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
>: Replies on whether a mktemp already exists are welcome.
>Well, tmpnam() is the same basically as mktemp, read your docs on it, or
>maybe I will just give you a library/source for it, but tmpnam() works just
>dandy anyway.

He got a mktemp() already :) BTW, tmpnam() is _not_ the same ... you cannot
specify how you'd like the name to look like ;-). Plus, I don't trust ORCA/C's
tmpnam() ... I'm not sure what would happen if two processes did a tmpnam()
at the same time. I guess they would get in conflict. mktemp() prevents that.

Soenke
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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: Missing library functions
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 09:05:43 GMT

David.Empson@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

>You'll probably find that fileno isn't usable in quite the normal way.
>On UNIX and DOS systems, fileno will return the file handle used by
>the low-level open(), read(), write() and close() functions to access
>the file.  In ORCA/C, the buffered file I/O routines don't call the
>low-level routines, rather they call GS/OS directly.  I suspect a
>fileno() macro would return the GS/OS file reference number, which is
>probably different to the one used by open(), read(), etc.

  This is true with the standard ORCA/C libraries, but with the GNO
libraries I also replace open/read/write, etc., so that they deal
with GS/OS RefNums and not arbitrary integers maintained by the
library.

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From: glyn@cs.UAlberta.CA (Reade Glyn Devin)
Subject: suspending non-compliant applications
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:51:44 GMT

My understanding is once I set auxtype to DC00 for a 
non-compliant application, GNO no longer buffers the
keyboard and therefore cannot intercept the ^Z
necessary to suspend the process and return to gsh.
Is this correct?

In other words, I can only exit these programs
(including desktop ones), not suspend them?

--Devin		glyn@cs.ualberta.ca
From: 2ftrribbon@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Robert Hill)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: ORCA/C 2.0 is shipping! (Was Re: Missing library functions)
Date: 16 Dec 92 13:05:13 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1glthpINNjad@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, jamesb@ecst.csuchico.edu 
(James L. Brookes) writes:
> vfprintf (I've seen a vsprintf addon, but no vfprintf)

	I just recieved the ORCA/C 2.0 brochure, and it lists vfprintf,
vprintf, and vsprintf.  Apparently, 2.0 is shipping;  if you bought ORCA/C
before Sept. 1, 1992, the upgrade is $25, otherwise it is $50 (until Feb. 28,
1993).

	I'm looking forward to getting the update, so I better go order it 
now! :)

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From: 2ftrribbon@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Robert Hill)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2.gno
Subject: Re: ORCA/C 2.0 is available for ordering (but not shipping)
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:52:37 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Dec16.222733.17010@news.columbia.edu>, stc7@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Steven T Chiang) writes:
> 	If you read the transcript on CSA2, it's not shipping yet.
> Mike W. said on the chat that it would be about 2-3 weeks.

	Well, the letter says that it is "here."  I probably shouldn't have
said shipping, but rather, that they are taking orders for it.  BTW, what
transcipt?  It never showed up here.

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From: glyn@cs.UAlberta.CA (Reade Glyn Devin)
Subject: csa2g archived anywhere?
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 16:58:08 GMT

Is comp.sys.apple2.gno archived anywhere?  How about the FAQ?
I was looking on pindarus, but could only find gno-l archive.

The problem is that I didn't save the conversation on the 
Finder's "need xxxk memory and system 6.0 to run" since I
hadn't as yet ordered gno, and I now need the solution.

I would like to avoid reopening this thread if the news is
archived.  Thanks.

--Devin		glyn@cs.ualberta.ca

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