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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 09:39:00 LCL
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From:         "(RRAWSON)" <RRAWSON@NOVELL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Batch files in Login Scri

The way to run a batch file from a login script is to end the login script
with the command (in this example, the batch file is RUNMENU.BAT):

EXIT "RUNMENU"

This forces the string RUNMENU<cr> into the keyboard buffer. Therefore, if
you run LOGIN from a batch file, it should be the last command in the file.

Another way you can accomplish your goal is to run LOGIN in the middle of a
batch file. For example:
.
.
.

LSL
NE1000
IPXODI
NETX
f:
:loop
LOGIN
If ERRORLEVEL 1 goto LOOP
DOUGMENU

.
.
.

The loop keeps you from running DOUGMENU until you successfully log in.

Finally, for those who are curious, it is also possible to run a batch file
from the middle of the login script. You must have COMSPEC set properly to
a copy of COMMAND.COM and furthermore must have it somewhere in a DOS path
or a NetWare Search Drive. Then you can add the following command to the
LOGIN SCRIPT:

#COMMAND /c DOSOMETH.BAT

CAUTIONARY NOTE: This runs COMMAND.COM as a child process of LOGIN.
Therefore you should NOT use this to run a MENU, as LOGIN will still be in
memory using up tons of space, and second NEVER EVER load a TSR within this
kind of a batch file (or directly using the "#" command for that matter),
because when LOGIN terminates, the TSR will be left hanging out somewhere
in the middle of memory, effectively using up all the memory that LOGIN
plus the TSR did.

Rob Rawson
Novell NYC
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From:         "(Richard Warner)" <rick@SJSUMCS.SJSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: servers as db engines
              "NOVELERR@suvm.acs.syr.EDU" at Sep 8, 92 11:43 am

>
> I am being asked if we can run a SAS application ON the server.  Not from
> the server but actually running the app on the server.  What do I need and
> what are the limitations?  I seem to recall seeing something about running
> a paradox db on a dedicated server.  I need this by today if possible.
>
> thanks.
>
>
>
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>   Duane Kerstetter
>   System Administrator
>   CAE-Link
>   Binghamton, NY
>   u2d65@lfkw2.bgm.link.com
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What you want is an application server.  I can give you two ways - one I
have tried, and one I have not.

The way I did it (starting in 1986-7 when SAS/PC was first released) was to
use a product called LanBatch (later sold as PS-Batch by Brightworks).  This
product allowed you to set-up remote process servers.  I took a high-end
 machine(for its day) and had it autoboot into LanBatch.  I gave it lots of EMS
memory (which SAS can use), and put in a very fast hard drive with disk
caching software (SAS is a real disk thrasher).  I then created a batch
file that would send a job (SAS program) to this server.  There is a
small security risk because you have to give write/create access to the
area of the network where the SAS datafiles reside.  It worked fairly well.

The way I would do it today would be to buy a real fast EISA 486 box, with
an EISA caching controller, a monstrous, fast disk, and use DesqView/X
as the interface between this and the users.  If this box were running
DV/X and the users were running DV/X on their PC's (or any other X server),
they could start SAS on this high-end box as an X-client. [BTW - I see this
type of application server to be the market that DV/X is really meant for].

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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 23:08:00 EDT
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From:         KARTHIK@TEMPLEVM.BITNET
Subject:      Thanks to all

Thanks to all who responded on my EMM & RPL problem. Your help was most
appreciated.

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Karthik Sridharan                  |Bitnet: karthik@templevm
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:01:00 +0200
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From:         Lars Scheffmann <scheffmann@DOU.DK>
Subject:      Unload of ipx

Can anyone help us?
We want to unload the ipx (generated for Packet Drivers) with WSGEN 1.0
from DOS ram.
This facility is available in ipxodi with the U option ( ipxodi u).

Any help on this matter??

If any freeware available, please send IP addr in your answer.

Regards
Lars Scheffmann
Uni. of Odense
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 07:34:50 EDT
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From:         "(Duane Kerstetter)" <u2d65@LFKW2.BGM.LINK.COM>
Subject:      Re: multiple servers
              at Sep 6, 92 7:00 am

>
> There is no pat answer to this.  It depends on how your users will use
> the network, what applications they will run, how server-intensive the
> applications are, and what the physical layout of the network is.
>
> Yes and no.  You can set-up identical servers, and even create
> accounts for each user on each server.  Setting trustee rights by
> group and using MAKEUSER to create all accounts will help make this as
> painless as possible.  Have the login script (system or user)
> automatically attach the user to both servers, so password changes
> stay in sync.
>
> The only problem with this is data.  User data will be written on
> whichever server the user's home directory (and other shared
> directories) is mapped to.  There are a couple ways to handle this:
>
.....

Thanks Mark, that's kind of what I'm looking for.  I know there are lots of
options depending on what my users are doing.  I am just looking for what other
people have done and what problems they've had.



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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:06:39 CDT
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From:         "Patrick E. Hykkonen" <pat@TSTC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Netshld.nlm
              "BRUCEA%UCRVMS.BITNET@SUVM.SYR.EDU" at Sep 11, 92 10:54 am

> Our nameserver can't seem to locate MCAFFEE.COM; does anyone have the IP
> number for their system for FTP purposes?

McAfee's nameservers evidently don't have the reverse address mappings setup
properly.  The IP address for mcafee.com is 192.187.128.1.

--
Pat Hykkonen, N5NPL                     Texas State Technical College at Waco
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 11:14:36 PDT
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From:         "(Mark)" <BOYD@PEPVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: e-mail, cc:mail or Microsoft Mail

> I've been asked to choose between cc:mail and Microsoft mail, I don't have
> a lot of time to test them, and I haven't begun yet, but I'd be gratful
> if you would relay you impressions, good and bad, of both products,
> if you wish, e-mail me direct and I'll post a summary.

I don't have any experience with cc:mail, but we are just about to do a major
evaluation of MS Mail 3.0.  The only problem that I have with MS Mail 3.0 is
that you have to create mail IDs for each user manually.  It has no way to
read the bindery (like, say, PMail) and setup the users that way.  Does anyone
else know of a way to have this done automatically.  When I spoke to MS they
said "It will work automatically for LAN Manager.  Novell doesn't have good
enough APIs for us to be able to do it for NetWare."  Yeah, right.  Anyway,
that's my .02 worth.  I would love to hear what kind of choice you make as we
are about to make the same decision.

Mark Boyd
Pepperdine University
boyd@pepvax.pepperdine.edu
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From: ucsd!ncr-sd!rancho!cruiser!bdl@UUNET.UU.NET ((Bob Lombard))
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Subject: Re: Virus protection for Netware
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:45:19 GMT
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rancho!ucsd!uunet!SUVM.SYR.EDU!NOVELERR writes:


 >
> Well the file name is NETSHLD.ZIP and it is not where I said it was
> (I checked). I am at the moment asking the FTP site sysmgr fro
> permission to upload to FTP.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU. I will give the
> location when/if permission to upload is given. Maybe archie would
> give another site.

It can also be found in NOVLIB lib 17 on compu$serve.  Or direct
from the McAfee Associates BBS, 408-988-5190 (v.32)


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From: dan@basil.eng.monash.edu.au (Dan Grimm)
Subject: Re: Novell Urgent Problem
Organization: Electrical & Computer Systems Eng. Dept., Monash Uni.
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:50:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.234725.7657@cc.uow.edu.au> la@cc.uow.edu.au (Louie Athanasiadis) writes:
>>Any suggestions for further problem remedy would be greatly appreciated....
>
>We often have disconnections as you described. Our problem is usually 
>cleared by going to each machine on the lan and breaking the ethernet 
>connections and rejoining them. This corrects the problem for about 6 weeks
>and sometimes more. It appears that some how the BNC connections on the
>NIC's "lose electrical contact" with the Tee pieces. 
>
We have found here that some of the T-pieces (mainly very round looking ones)
are just a press fit connection internally. This means that they can corrode
or move and as you say, you loose electrical connection in the T-piece.
Some of these T's were supplied with Tiara lancards. Wiggling the connection
or T-piece would restore connection for a while. --- Sacrifice one of your 
normal T-pieces and cut it open for a look. Try to stick with soldered
T-piece interiors! This has solved a lot of problems here. (although we 
still have problems with the latest revision Tiara lancard E/* 8 bit card -
can't be put on same segment as older theoretically identical cards!)
Dan Grimm
Dept. Elec & Comp. Sys. Engineering, Monash Uni. Australia.
ph.(+61 3) 565 3479, Fax 565 3454,     dan@basil.eng.monash.edu.au
From: MAILBOX@ZEUS.ICE.NL (Zeus Mailbox)
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Subject: Re: EISA Performance
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:51:16 GMT
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> The speed rating merely tests the processor speed, and doesn't touch
> the bus as the loop appears to be small enough to fit in the internal
> cache of the 486.
> observered figures :
>     speed(approx)   cpu/clock   BUS
>     90      386sx/16    ISA
>     130     386/20      ISA
>     140     386/25      ISA

      242     IBM 80-A31 386/25 64K cache MCA 32 bit

      310     386/33      ISA

>     925     486/25      EISA
>     1300        486/33      EISA
>     1400        486DX2/25   MCA
>

Greetings...

Henno.



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From: nenaas@ulrik.uio.no (Nils-Eivind Naas)
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Subject: Re: ODI for BICC ISOLAN 4110 cards
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:48:01 GMT
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway

In article <NOVELL%92090714373919@SUVM.SYR.EDU> GRG1678@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK writes:

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   To the best of my knowledge, BICC do *not* support ODI: this is because in the
   past they offered their own `MPS', Multi-Protocol Support, facility with their
   cards which did somewhat the same thing as ODI. This might now change as BICC
   but you would need to check with your supplier. I fear it is more likely that
   3Com will just drop the BICC card range to avoid it competing with their own,
   which does of course provide ODI support with each card.

   Tony Sheehan
   grg1678@v2.qub.ac.uk

   Queen's University, Belfast
   Northern Ireland

Forgive me if this is a repeat:

According to the Norwegian distributor, the situation regarding BICC is:

a) 3Com has stopped production of BICC cards since their takeover
b) 3Com has stopped driver development for BICC cards (at least regarding ODI)

So, as an 100% BICC installation, we are left hanging to dry by 3Com.
You may guess that we are not going to buy 3Com cards for our ODI needs.

Now, the latest driver disk (version 3.10) does contain an ODI driver
for DOS (for 16-bit cards only). This driver seems to work.
OS/2 2.0, however, is out of the question, so it seems.

Yours,
Nils-Eivind Naas
Institute Group for Social Research
Oslo

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Date:         Tue, 15 Sep 1992 09:07:55 CST
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From:         Loren Aman <AMANL@COLUMBIA.DSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Number Of Registered users in bindery

> > Hi all!
> >   As a matter of interest, how many people out there are running NetWare
> > with more than, say 2500 users, with and without Name service? Admittedly we
> > are running a NetFrame NF300. Even so, our number of bindery-registered
 users
> > is just about to top 5500.
> >
>
> I only have 500 accounts and am not running name services.  However I do have
> a question about this.  I am getting a second server soon and I
> was hoping to be able to share apps and directories on each server by
> attaching users to each server at login and running name services.  The
 thought
> occured to me though that even an attach takes up a login slot.  This leaves
> me with the same problem - how to get 500+ users sharing the same servers?
> Does everyone just duplicate apps, do dynamic attachs (requiring users to
> enter name/passwords all the time) or isn't there ever more than 250 users on
> at once??
>
Ah!  Here lies the big problem with NNS in my opinion.  We have 3 servers
running NNS, about 2500 accounts and about 350 simultaneous logins shared
between the servers.  If you want to have a user transparently login to
another server without reentering a password, you have to do it at login time
which chews up a connection on the other server.  You cannot always duplicate
applications such as email or shared databases.  When we have an application
that requires access to another server we do one of 2 things, roll our own
program to attach as a fixed id with limited rights and a fixed password and
detach later, or login the person under their own id and have them enter the
password.  I believe Netware 4.0 will allow attaching to another server
without reentering your password if it is the same as the server your on, but
it still takes a connection slot so you would have to detach when your
finished with the application.


- Loren Aman
  Sr. Systems Programmer
  Dakota State University
  amanl@columbia.dsu.edu
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From:         ACS_NETWORK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: STAT.NLM and DUMPSTAT.EXE

It sounds like they may be talking about the application notes. They
often have code examples. I believe both the notes and the code are
available on Compuserve's Netwire.

Gary Flynn
James Madison University
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:05:22 EDT
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From:         KARTHIK@TEMPLEVM.BITNET
Subject:      Win 3.1, RPL, Odd Problems, Part 2

Well thanks for the responses on the problem on the remote boot & windows
3.1 problem I had, but I seriously think EMM386 has it in for me.

Using the recommended IPX and NETX, with SMC Combo Elite 16 cards, I am
remote booting a 486 workstation with 8 megs of ram into our 3.11 servers,
and the config loads HIMEM, loads dos high with umb's, then EMM386 with
1024k of ram at M9, excluding the area of the SMC boot rom. Our campus has
40 machines of this configuration, so the result is consistent.

 Now the problem. When WIN is run, the A: drive light comes on (no disk
in the drive) and this appears:

> EMM386: Unable to start Enhanced Mode Windows due to invalid path
>      specification for EMM386.

I have tried the "WIN /y=G:WINDOWSEMM386.EXE" option to no avail.
However, when a disk is in the A drive with EMM386.EXE on it, windows
continues after reading in a portion of it. When I do that with the /y
option, it treats the /y as if it were a run program. From the Novell
monitor, the file doing the infringement appears to be the WIN386 executable.
When I boot off of C and erase EMM386 after it loads, I get the same
message.

My speculation is that when EMM386 loads, it loads the path it was initially
found at into memory, and when windows is run, it looks in the same place to
reload a portion of itself. Either that or it is checking the boot device,
which appears to be A: if it boots via RPL. I have tried this with 4.44 of
EMM386 as well as 4.20 and still nothing. WIN386 looks for that file before
it will continue. The WIN /B Bootlog report shows windows finding everything
but stops short of mentioning the EMM problem. Loading the EMM386.SYS from
windows 3.0 seems to solve the problem, but the exclusion of the adapter
RAM is not as easy as before, plus I haven't checked for side effects. I
redid a setup /a and a setup /n just to make sure. Gateway 2000 (who's
machines we have) was clueless as to what to do.

Anyone have any ideas or come across this bug? The expanded memory is needed
for certain dos apps, but we'd like the functionality of windows for the
students as well as for our SABER LAA products which do use windows
extensively.

Karthik                              BITNET: karthik@templevm
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Temple University Computer Services
From: JDH@MEDICINE.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU (John Hendriks)
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Subject: Re: Virus protection for Netware
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:53:48 GMT
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To all those who asked about McAfees' virus protection NLM. It can be
found under MSDOS_UPLOADS on wuarchive.wustl.edu. I seem to remember
someone once saying that though LANProtect was good its detection of
viruses was not as comprehensive as it could be (ie joke and trojan)
and that McAfee (now that its an NLM) and F-Protect are better
prospects.

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From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
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Subject: Re: Program for deleting entire directory including sub-directories
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:53:06 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

Anne Liang <GOVE036@TWNMOE10.BITNET> writes:

>I used FILER to delete entire directory including all sub-directories.
>However, it works for network drivse only. How about local drives? Is there
>program doing things like that? Where can I FTP it?

	Check places like wuarchive.wustl.edu in the ms-dos areas for
unix-style utilities.  I've a rpogram called, naturally, rm.exe that will
do just what you ask and more, being a functional equivalent of the unix
rm command.  Also included was ls, cat, and a few others, all freeware.

	The command "rm -r *.*" can be incredibly deadly, however.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"I see angels on Ariels in leather and>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | chrome, Swooping down from heaven to >
<viking@iastate.edu      | carry me home."   ---    R. Thompson >
<ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee.>