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From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: MALCOLM X: From An African-American
Date: 26 Jan 93 15:44:44 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <stovall.727996779@ficus.cs.ucla.edu> stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu
(Steven Stovall) writes:
>Josefina Velasquez <josefina@igc.apc.org> writes:
>
>>Great Leaders do not drop from the sky, nor are they born great.  Leaders
>>are born of the people's struggle, and if the peopple are waging a great
>>struggle this struggle must give rise to great leaders.
>
>>Malcolm X became a great leader at a time when African-Americans were
>>rising up, at a time when Black people were taking our future into our own
>>hands.
>
>This has the ring of truth. I have been wondering why there were so many
>great black men walking the earth during the 60's: Malcolm, MLK, Huey P.,
>Rap Brown, John Coltrane...
>
>There do not seem to be such men today, but maybe its because we as a
>people are not "waging a great struggle" as we were in those days. But
>how are we to become galvanized into a revolutionary wave of historical
>force without the inspired presence of such men? Perhaps we should return
>to the simple grass-roots organizing principles of the early civil rights
>movement, but with a goal not of fundamental rights but rather knowledge
>of self.
>
>_______________________________________________________________________________

>
>steven stovall
>stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
>(310) 825-7307
>

There are no great leaders of today, because everyone is afraid to take the
initiative. Also along the same lines, if one were to become a leader, he has
no tangible sunbstances(eg. people) to concentrate his/her efforts on. The
problem must be first identified, and then the people must believe
support(economically, mentally, physically, & spiritually) and die for the
cause of the ORGANIZATION created by the leader. Notice I said the organization
and not the leader, because if we once again follow one person, white supremacy
will assasinate him/her and the cause will die.

Peace, :-)
Chad J Glover
glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu   or   glovercj@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 
Drexel University Software Testing Lab
"Give a Man a Fish, you Feed him for a Day,
Teach a man to Fish, you Feed him for a Lifetime."
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Makala P Mweene)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Racists oppose Afro-Cuban appointee to State Dept.
Keywords: Mario Baeza, Assistant Secretary of State for Latin-American Affairs
Date: 28 Jan 93 05:09:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <C1J4t0.Mu4@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (The Wise Man from the East) writes:


> (I have forgotten the name of it, but Makala
>should know).
>

It was the Great Battle of Cuito Canavale. And I know someone who 
was there. The South African army was trounced once again. It was the manner
in which the beating occured that precipitated South Africa to reappraise its
intransigence.

Up to that point South Africa had had monopoly in the air, enabling it to 
wantonly inflict terror on the remoter areas of Angola. In late 1988, the
USSR determined that it would chastise South Africa once and for all. An
advanced flight school was opnned in Northern Angola for pilots of the 
Angolan Army. Here the Angolans were able to horn their skills on "Job-on
-training" kind of skim. The results quickly showed in the air. In a few
months Angolan Migs had Air Superiority half way into Namibia.  With the
USSR providing crucial surveillance information, South African pilots quic
kly became more than respectful of their Angolan oppossites. 

Yet again, as on many occasions in the past. The Angolan Army besieged the
South Western town of Jamba and had Savimbi cornered. And as it had done
in the same situation in the past, the SADF (SAFRICAN ARMY) launched an 
operation to save Savimbi. This time, however, the stakes were different.
the 30 000 South African troops found them selves in the face of a barrage
of fire form "Stalin Organs". To under on to that, the sky rained bombs on 
them. In no time at at all they began to beat a hasty retreat. Unfortunately
the reactionary Mikhail Gorbachev would not go for the jugular. Instead he 
agreed to negotiate...........



makala


Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu (Art Johnson)
Subject: Re: How white America perceives African-Americans??!??
Organization: Physical Sciences Lab, UW-Madison
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 00:09:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.194508.25281@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp  
(Michael Friedman) writes:
> In article <1993Jan22.021505.18891@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>  
dem2@pyuxd.uucp (Me) writes:
> 
     [...lots of stuff deleted...]
 
> >Anyway, *pretends to be democratic*
> >is the operative phrase. 
> 
> You are being a bit too elliptical.  Are you claiming that the US is
> not a democracy?  

     Damn right, Mike. We're a republic, not a democracy. 
>
     [...some stuff deleted...]
 
> > DM>I guess a similar sentiment on the part of the British necessitated 
> > DM>the Revolutionary War. And look what happened...
> 
> > MF>Darryle, I suggest you read up a bit on US history.  The British  
had
> > MF>no such sentiment - they usually bent over backwards by the  
standards
> > MF>of the day to avoid violence. The Revolutionary War was not caused  
by
> > MF>the Brittish shooting rioters.  
> 
> >Understanding what I mean requires analogical thought. But even taken
> >literally, its not far from the truth. What else was the so-called
> >"Boston Tea Party" but a riot?
> 
> The Boston Tea Party was a riot.  Notice that the British did not
> shoot at the rioters.  That you are apparently ignorant of this fact
> is kind of depressing, give that you are presumably a highschool
> graduate and will be a college graduate within 3.5 years.
>
     The British didn't shoot at the *patriots* because they snuck on  
board and trashed the place before the British could respond, Mike. Your  
insistence on referring to American patriots as "rioters" is proof that  
you are not a real American. :-) What's next, Mike? Sympathetic cooing for  
those Infamous Arch-Traitors Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, and Stonewall  
Jackson? 

     [...stuff deleted...]
 
> -- 
>  
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> I am not an official Oracle spokesman.  I speak for myself and no one  
else.

Arthur Johnson
johnson@whitewater.chem.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: muhamo@nuge106.its.rpi.edu (Omari Wakweli Muhammad)
Subject: Talk, Talk, and Talk on....
Summary: Just like talking is good for understanding, the only thing worth
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:58:48 GMT

As I was saying in the summary, 

Just like talking is good for understanding, the  only thing worth talking 
about is getting the fuck out of this country. That's the deal, and when we
face reality, well see that we are better off seeking sources of understanding
that will develop our values in a direction towards leaving this mother. 

If we want to bitch about why we as a people are not getting everything and
most of the necessities that we want and need in this society, then this is
a good place to be. But if we want to move and take whats ours, then this place
is a waste. I see people talking about sexuality, drugs, and race but who's 
posing solutions? Are we all just going to keep reminding each other of the
problems, or are we going to do something about them? Are we going to sit here
and be critiques on the struggle or are we going to form some type of 
planning unit to turn this mother out?

I don't know everything that has been said on this channel. I'm not judging
individuals, but I am judging the bull that I see right now. If your reading
this and your ready to brainstorm some solutions................

By the way, forget the solutions, because I wouldn't know who the hell I'm 
talking too...That means, I couldn't really trust that your my brother looking
out for my interests. This network is for chit-chat, but not action.....

If your a brother, don't waste too much time reading these files, because the
true education is where your not expected to look...The LIBRARY. Seek knowledge
there, and learn the elements required to get yourself started towards building
your own nation....

Then, if you need help, feel free to contact me by email:

muhamo@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american



well, lincoln's & washington's bdays have been consolidated into
presidents day which is more a celebration of the executive
branch than anything...  how come we don't have a congress day
and judiciary day??!

and maybe phil would be content if we renamed mlk day to
civil rights day and then we wouldn't single out any 
particular person...


just my $0.001 worth,
pjm.
Organization: Masters student, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:23:50 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Caucasion Whimps? You be the judge!
	<2681@usna.NAVY.MIL>
Distribution: usa

Mr. <WdW @ sma.usna.navy.@math:writes

.

>your husband's family or not?), but Christmas is certainly a _Christian_
>holiday and as such I think its status as a government holiday should be
>questioned.

This is mostly wrong! It is a fact that Christmas meaning the Mass of
Christ is not a Christrian holiday. It is a white man's holiday. Christ
Jesus wasn't even born at this time of the year. The Celebration of
Christmas is more Pagan than it is than anything else. The tree! The
ornaments! The commericialism! The Capitalist have turned this day of
happiness into an "End of the Year profit sales time". I think that the
Jewish Holiday has more substance. Christmas spoils alot of children.
The American children should get a hard lesson and homework in
mathematics on this day. You think I'm grinch! You're wrong! I'm
serious! Grinch's brother. Catholoism is a cult. It is based on the
principal of Romans. A Caucasian civilization. The Chruch as it is
called,is responsible for the killing of millions even billons of
humans. This organization through it's elimination of so called
"heretics", inception of Black Slavery(and, it derives this from the
Bible. Gen. Chap. 3. Where  God commands Adam(man) that he will work the
land until re-turns to the dust. How the person can derive slavery out
of this is all evil beyond me. I guess well maybe....no. Maybe not..
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)
Subject: Re: Anyone know James Earl Jones' politics?
Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)
Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 12:07:18 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american

As quoted from <1jkv46INNsnd@morrow.stanford.edu> by HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels):

> In article <C13uqx.1vM@NCoast.ORG>,
> cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes:
> >>
> >
> >As far as Limbaugh goes, my experience is that people tend to enjoy him as an
> >entertainer without totally agreeing with his views.  Remember that G. Gordon
> >Liddy had a recurring role on "Miami Vice".  I'm SURE that he didn't agree
> >with a lot of the policy positions taken by that show, especially regarding
> >Central America.
> >
> >Bottom line is that it's all show business.
> .
> .
> You'd be surprised how many people take him very seriously, like
> William F. Buckley, George Will and the rest of that clack.  I
> remember the "60 Minutes" piece on him, too.  He's whipping up a lot
> of homegrown animosity since Reagan came in. These fans are not
> into show business, and they are much like the cats who supported
> Perot.

My impression is that liberals and leftists take Limbaugh far more seriously
than a lot of conservatives do.  Considering their non-stop attacks on him,
they'd HAVE to.  As far as I'm concerned this is nothing more than the mirror
image of the far rightists who attack every media phenomenon that doesn't
promote "family values".  The difference is of course that they practically
only have Limbaugh to complain about.

Have you ever listened to the show?  On a good day, it's pretty funny.  On a
bad day, it's just pompous whining.  Of course you could say the same thing of
any liberally oriented show as well.  I certainly think there's some validity
to Limbaugh's claim that you can't get a feel for the show without listening
to it for a couple of months or so.

I find that he makes some very good points while also sometimes doing the very
things that he criticizes liberals for.  In general, I just find him better
entertainment than I'm likely to find on the radio during the day.  No doubt
there are people who take him too seriously, but then there are people who
take "The Spotlight" and "The Daily World" seriously too.  I don't let the 
intellectual failings of silly people control my life if I can help it.

-- 
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"Read my lips, no new Haitians.  Ack!" - Bill the Prez
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Christopher Morton
From: kautaj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (The Wise Man from the East)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Racists oppose Afro-Cuban appointee to State Dept.
Keywords: Mario Baeza, Assistant Secretary of State for Latin-American Affairs
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:54:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.C1Guqq.2J6
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.

In article <084yXB1w165w@netlink.cts.com> galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross) writes:


>Next time you see film or video of one of Fidel Castro's speeches, take a 
>look around the podium at all the black faces sitting up there with him 
>representing the Cuban leadership.
> 
>Odds are, there won't be any.  There scarcely ever have been since Fidel 
>came down from the mountains 30-plus years ago.
> 
>It's true that the old-line wealthy right-wing families who owned Cuba 
>when Bautista<sp?> ran it often treated black Cubans as second-class 
>citizens and still do today in Miami, but revolutionary Cuba under Castro 
>really hasn't been much better.
>
>Amazing how that happened...
>G.

I doubt if this statement is true. I believe the speaker of the house
(or an equivalent position) is blak. And the status of blaks there is in no
doubt the highest in the Americas in terms of self-esteem, health-care, level
of education etc... Unfortunately, due to the 30 year embargo (or otherwise),
Cuba is not a rich country. This explains the constant immigration to Miami, 
with promises of $25,000 in gold per defector (remember the Pan-Am games in
Indy?)

The amount of anti-Castro propaganda in the US media is amazing. A legacy of
folx here being brought up fighting the cold war. To judge Cuba, one has 
only to compare her with the rest of Latin America. Her standard of living is
much better! And it does not require much imagination to deduce that she would
have been much better without the embargo. Not only can she not trade with the
US, but the US passes laws that prohibit any company dealing with her (the US)
from dealing with Cuba. Think about that for a moment...So she has to get her
oil (at market price) from Russia instead of Venezuela, a US puppet..

Er..I could go on. But I have to run..

kauta.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Gabrielle and the heat she's taken
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 12:56:30 GMT

In article <2B6737D1.15139@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>I'm not going to point to anything in particular, but I've noticed that
>Gabrielle has taken some serious shit in the past week or so, and I
>wanted to say that I have NEVER ONCE found anything objectionable in
>her postings, and as what many people would term "white," I have never
>found her opinions threatening or hateful or racist against me in the
>slightest or white people in general.  Yes, she is angry.  Isn't she
>allowesd to be pissed-off?  Jesus, just let someone blow off some damned
>steam and LISTEN to them for a damned change.  White America has had the
>luxury of ignoring what minorities and women have thought and how we
>have seen the world for generations.  Would it kill you to just listen?
>She is well-reasoned and rational, as are most of the people here.  
>
>I'm familiar with the concept of getting compliments and support in
>e-mail and then getting dissed on the net (am I using this word
>correctly?) and I didn't want to perpetrate it by e-mailing her
>privately and telling her I support her postings and opinions and then
>saying nothing on the net.
>
>Regards,
>Janis C.
> 

  I find Gabrielle's posts well thought up, and intellectually
  stimulating.  She writes well, holds your interest and educates.
  Perhaps all her detractors just don't get it, since they are so
  used to an Euro-centric point-of-view concerning history and
  culture.  It has been ingrained in all of us who went to school
  in Western areas since day one.  It is refreshing to hear someone
  post from another viewpoint.  I for one, do not like all my
  history white-washed.  Perhaps y'all should examine your African
  roots a little more.  Interestingly, recently an anthropological
  professor or someone in the field found his initial response
  to a picture of Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal man a revelation of his
  own "prejudices".  In the picture, Cro-Magnon was pictured as dark-
  skinned with kinky hair.  Neanderthal was pictured as white-skinned
  with European features, (heavy brow-bones, deep set eyes, large
  nose).  At first he thought something was wrong with the picture.
  Upon further reflection he noticed it was his own ingrained
  Euro-centric notion that Europeans were supposed to be more
  "advanced" that made him feel this way.  And intellectually he
  noted that it made a lot of sense for Cro-Magnon to look "African"
  since that is where the bones of modern man were found, in Africa.
  Whereas the bones of Neanderthal were found in Europe!

  I for one, will miss Gabrielle's insightful posts and intelligent
  responses.  I know she's happy to get away, and I wish her the
  best in her new position.

  Clare
From: glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: tanning
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:41:27 GMT
Organization: Drexel University

In article <38314@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A.
Johns) writes:
>I suspect that most tanners are looking not for darkness as such but
>for a richness of color that comes with darkness.  Pale white skin
>simply doesn't look healthy.  I don't think there's any racial
>symbolism underlying the practice.
>
>In fact, look at a very dark person of African or Indian origin who
>has stayed out of the sun for a while.  Many develop an ashy tone,
>which also looks unhealthy.  It's not really darkness, but intensity
>that matters.
>Could there be other explanations?
>
>David
>
Yes, David, apparently you are making assumptions, Ash comes from a persons
skin being dry, and has nothing to do with the sun. Your skin gets ashy too,
but it's harder to see becuase of your light complexion. And there is an
underlining racial reason for tanning, that is, trying to aquire what's
forbidden, black features such as darker complexions, bigger lips, breast, and
butts.  It's just like black people that bleach their hair, and skin.
It's all subliminal, but it's all there.
Peace, :-)
Chad J Glover
glovercj@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu   or   glovercj@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu 
Drexel University Software Testing Lab
"Give a Man a Fish, you Feed him for a Day,
Teach a man to Fish, you Feed him for a Lifetime."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Cuba and Israel
Keywords: Mario Baeza, Assistant Secretary of State for Latin-American Affairs
Date: 28 Jan 93 17:26:41 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <2690@blue.cis.pitt.edu> pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Makala P Mweene) writes:
>>Cuba's only survived because 25% of their income was in Soviet subsidies.
>>Now that Russia isn't trying to embarass the US anymore, Cuba's economy
>>will go the way of other communist countries, and collapse.
>
>Uh huh, oh, I see. What would happen if we applied the same test to
>Israel???

Israel would feel isolated, use nuclear weapons on their enemies, and 
then they wouldn't have to spend as much on national defense, restoring
their economy.  

Of course, Israel gets *loans* from the US, while Cuba got *actual money*
and oil at a fifth of the market price from the Soviet Union.  Note the
difference.  Israel has never missed a loan payment.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
From: taylor@hojo.larc.nasa.gov (Barney Taylor)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: The Answer Comes from Within
Date: 27 Jan 1993 17:50:56 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hojo.larc.nasa.gov

|> 		1. Know God.
|> 		2. Strive to be Happy.
|> 		3. Use every and any resource you can.
|> 		4. Remember and learn from the past, but don't live in it.
|> 		5. Don't drink, some, or do drugs.
|> 		6. Be selective about your true friends.
|> 		7. Know what team your playing for and stay with it.
|> 		8. Know yourself, define yourself, and be yourself.
|> 		9. Gain as much education as you can and never stop learning.
|> 	   10. Be able to examine life from more than 1 perspective.
|> 	   11. Practice what you preach.
|> 	   12. Learn what selling out is, and don't do it.
|> 	   13. GIVE BACK!
|> 	   14. Know when to speak and when to listen.
|> 	   15. Network
|> 	   16. Whatever you do, do it to the best of abilities.
|> 	   17. Economic Empowerment.
|> 	   18. Control your own destiny.
|> 	   19. Know your culture.
|> 	   20. Be Afrocentric.
|> 	   21. Realize the importance and the use of Perception.
|> 	   22. Check yourself on a regular basis.
|> 	   23. Stand up for what you believe is right.
|> 	   24. Develop yourself physically, mentally, and spiritually.
|> 	   25. Remember, the best things in life are free: love, friends, and
|> happiness.

Deep brother,

Barney,

_________________________________________
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The previous comments do not represent the
opinions of my employer or the government in
any part.

Hetep
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