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From: rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)
Subject: Kuwaiti Hornets
Organization: US WEST Communications, Inc. -- Denver, CO
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:31:53 GMT


From rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)


From rray@lookout.it.uswc.uswest.com (Randy J. Ray)

I have read that the Kuwaiti Air Force has purchased some F/A-18C and D Hornets
recently. To me, this would make an interesting subject to model. Does anyone
know of a photographic source, that would show me the tail codes and other
unique markings? I have a diagram of the color scheme, but would like to know
what number to put on it.

Randy
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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder)
Subject: Re: depleted uranium
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:25:24 GMT


From eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder)




From eesnyder@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Eric E. Snyder)

rholmes@dhvx20.csudh.edu writes:


>From rholmes@dhvx20.csudh.edu

>Militaries make sabots out of depleted Uranium because it is a very dense 
>substance i.e. it weighs a lot for a given volume. A sabot is the part
>of a tank round that accutually penetrates the enemy tank. Most tank rounds
>are composed of a shell and the sabot. The two seperate after firing 
>thereby giving the sabot a higher velocity.

Er, isn't it exactly the other way around?  The sabot (Fr. shoe) acts as 
a holder for a subcaliber projectile.  The sabot separates from the projectile
shortly after leaving the barrel and the projectile goes about its merry way. 

In small arms at least, this arrangement is used to get very high velocities
on a small projectile from a weapon which normally fires a larger, slower
projectile.  For example, Remington sells a 55 gr .223 saboted 30-'06 round
that clocks in a over 4000 fps.

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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Smoothbore Weapons (was Re: DU)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:10:09 GMT


From ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)

In article <Bt4oI0.1v9@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> billb@owlnet.rice.edu (William Stenson Blackwell) writes:

>Along this thread, there is also an APDS round made for shotguns, ala the
>movie Alien Nation.  They are very good at penetrating things that don't
>have hardened armor. 

There was a program to develop a fletchette firing infantry 
weapon that was to replace the M-14. It could supposedly also 
fire other kinds of specialized ammunition. But the demands 
of the Vietnam War caused the adoption of the M-16 and the pro-
gram died.




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From: regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E George)
Subject: Capra/Prelude to War/Why We Fight/Propaganda
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:20:23 GMT


From regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E George)




From regeorge@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E George)


Those interested in "Why We Fight" films might enjoy

" `The Greatest Gangster Movie Ever Filmed' : Prelude to War "
by R. W. Steele in Prologue (11) 1979, pp.221-235

Robert George
(speaking only for myself)

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: A_COPEAB@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU (Brandon Cope)
Subject: Re: depleted uranium
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:22:06 GMT


From A_COPEAB@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU (Brandon Cope)




From A_COPEAB@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU (Brandon Cope)

In article <1992Jul29.125806.21769@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes) writes:
> 
> From thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
> 
> In article <1992Jul28.130025.24034@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> arw4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Aaron R Wininger) writes:
>>
>>From arw4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Aaron R Wininger)
>>
>>Question:what are the advantages to using depleted uranium in ammunition?
>>How long until succesfully destroyed targets can be scrapped or cannibalized?
>>Aaron
> 
> Depleted uranium is, well, depleted.  The effect on the target is the same as
> any other material.  D.U. is used because it is more dense than lead.  It
> sounds scarier than it is, but there is no radiation hazard, if that was the
> focus of your question.

	I could have sworn that I heard that DU rounds were a mild radiation
hazard, and therefore tanks didn't carry DU rounds during peacetime, except in
very special circumstances. Of course, this was over a year ago, from the
mediots...

Brandon Cope
 

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: Jake Hodgson <HODGSONT@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Subject: Re: making a radar decoy
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:07:36 GMT


From Jake Hodgson <HODGSONT@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>


    It's abit dated, but a WAAAAYYYYY back in the 70's I built a monster
kite out of what we then called 'tinfoil' (aluminum foil to you children
of the 80's ;)

   I flew it off a tallish mountain on the north shore of Lake Superior
(amazing thermals-- you could fly a kite for DAYS it seemed) and low and
behold...  I got buzzed by two fighters! I guess my kite was showing up
on *somebodies* radar and making them a tad nervous.

   Whether such simple doodads would fool modern radar I can't say (because
I don't know) but I would be surprised if it didn't show up well enough
for you to be taken notice of.

  On a related topic, I've been told that some guys on exercise tried to line
their uniform with space blankets to cut down on their thermal signiture.
I gather it works tolerably well, but they show up like a 'moving house' on
radar.
                                               Warm Hearth!
                                                     Jake

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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Tracers
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:19:19 GMT


From ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)




From ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)

In article <1992Jul28.130726.25332@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>	Something is wrong here -- lead is much more toxic than
>depleted uranium, so the environmental issue shouldn't be the
>problem.  Does lead actually reflect radar emmissions better than
>uranium?  I somehow doubt it.  There's something more to this than
>just radar and toxicity, but I can't figure it out.  Anybody know?

Uranium is pretty darned toxic if it gets loose, both
chemically (as a heavy metal) and because its radioactive
to some degree. The radioactivity might not harm you from
just being around the ammunition, but if you ingested it 
it might get absorbed into the body, where it will sit and 
irradiate your tissues for years to come.





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From: manuelp@ecf.toronto.edu (MANUELPILLAI Gerald Nishanthan)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: Breaking in green submariners
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:36:17 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility


From manuelp@ecf.toronto.edu (MANUELPILLAI Gerald Nishanthan)


I read something really funny in the newspaper the other day -

Apparently, in one of the US Navy's nuke subs, whenever a new guy
gets on board, the old hands keep mixing Nair (cream used to remove
hair from women's legs) in his shampoo.  When the poor sap starts
to lose his hair, everyone starts muttering about radiations leaks
and radiation sickness!! 

Anyone out there who can corroborate or even top this story ? 

Gerald 
 
Newsgroups: sci.military
From: dasher!patter@uunet.UU.NET (24224-guthrie)
Subject: Re: depleted uranium
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:20:30 GMT


From dasher!patter@uunet.UU.NET (24224-guthrie)




From dasher!patter@uunet.UU.NET (24224-guthrie)

In article <1992Jul30.123927.16492@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:

>An
>important secondary issue in some applications is that finely-divided
>uranium is pyrophoric, igniting on contact with air, which gives a
>useful incendiary effect after penetration.

Depleted uranium then differs a great deal from undepleted uranium.
According to Webster's the most common isotope (U-238) has a melting point
of 1,132 degrees celsius. If it's the "fine division" that allows it to
burn at low temperatures, this is hardly pertinent with ammunition; that
is, bullets and artillery shot can hardly be said to be "finely divided".
What am I missing?

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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: pyrdek@edinboro.edu
Subject: DEW Line and "Blackbird"
Organization: Edinboro University of Pennsylvania
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:39:54 GMT


From pyrdek@edinboro.edu


From pyrdek@edinboro.edu

I saw a post recently that indicated that the Distant Early Warning
radar line was shut down last year, I believe.

If this is true, does anyone know if the two sites which were in Iceland,
H-1 near Keflavik and especially H-3 Hofn (south-eastern corner of
the country) were shut down, converted to civilian (for air trafic
control of North Atlantic routes, or what happened to them?

I have a special fondness for H-3 since I spent a fun year there
in the 60's.

As a side note, a recent vist to the AF Museum at Wright-Pat AFB
was a minor disappointment.  The Blackbird has been moved to the annex
but they don't bother mentioning this fact on the PA announcements
or on the display floor in the "modern" hanger.  In fact, the
guide brochure still has it shown near one corner of the modern
hanger.  If you want to see the "Blackbird" at roost, be ready to
take a bus ride across the base....

Newsgroups: sci.military,soc.history
From: military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)
Subject: 50 Years Ago: Saturday, 15 August, 1942
Followup-To: soc.history
Organization: NCR Corporation - Law Department
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:35:05 GMT


From military@att.att.com (Bill Thacker)

Saturday, 15 August, 1942

The damaged tanker Ohio reaches Valetta, Malta, carrying badly needed fuel
for the island's defense.

The Royal Air Forces establishes the Pathfinder Force.  Intended to lead
bomber formations to their targets, the force is commanded by Air Cdre.
Donald Bennett.

The US Navy runs supplies to Guadalcanal using destroyers, but they cannot
carry enough to prevent a decrease in the marines' rations.

German troops capture Georgivesk, near the Caucasus foothills.

General Henry H. Arnold states that so far in the war 1,010 US Army 
aircraft have engaged 1,459 Japanese planes, destroying 190 enemy aircraft
and losing 104 of their own.

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Send submissions for "50 Years Ago" to military-request@att.att.com

"Finally... full consideration must be given to the fact that the impending
[invasion of Europe] will not be an ordinary battle, but an Armageddon of
great magnitude, with a far-reaching purpose.  Upon its success or failure
may easily rest the all-important question of whether this is to be short
war or one that will drag on into years." - Maj. Gen. Stephen Fuqua, 
US Army, retired
Newsgroups: sci.military
From: bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: making a radar decoy
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:40:04 GMT


From bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au

In article <Bsvn4L.Dyn@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, quest!curt (Curtis Gibson) writes:

> Would anyone care to comment on what will "fool" a radar?  Will
> papermache covered with aluminum foil pass as a real truck or plane?
> If not, what kind of reflective surface would be needed? ( I am
> assuming the size and shape of the decoy are exactly the same
> as the real thing.)  Thanks.

        In one of my navy books (albeit a coffee table format book, Modern
Naval Combat(Warfare?), by David & Chris Miller), it mentions a radar decoy
in service with the Royal Navy. The decoy consists of a pair of radar
reflective, inflatable tetrahedrons(?) that apparently return a radar image
similar to a ship (for decoying radar guided missiles). The devices appear
to be about the size of a small inflatable life raft, so the size and shape
of a radar decoy doesn't always have to be close to the object you are trying
to immitate.

           Bull@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au  OR  bull@monu1.cc.monash.oz
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From: "tzung-i.lin" <tzung@cbnewsf.cb.att.com>
Subject: Mirage 2000 family differences?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:40:14 GMT


From "tzung-i.lin" <tzung@cbnewsf.cb.att.com>

Can someone enlight me the differences in Mirage 2000 family?
Mirage 2000, Mirage 2000N and Mirage 2000-5, any other?

And what's the progress for the Rafale/ACT program?

Newsgroups: sci.military
From: wxb4@po.CWRU.Edu (William Blighglover)
Subject: Re: How to spike a gun?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 13:54:00 GMT


From wxb4@po.CWRU.Edu (William Blighglover)


	I believe that when cannon were fired through a fuze/
flintlock/percussion lock type of arrangement (i.e. up to the U.S.
Civil war, spiking the guns involved driving a heated spike into 
touch hole and hammering it home.  If the metal was hot enough, 
the spike has just been welded into the barrel, and it can't be
gotten out without redrilling the hole, and I'd hate to be the 
first to fire the gun after such an operation, it might blow up
in your face.  Not only that, other operations such as taking the
barrels off their carriages, tossing the guns into a river, and 
even plugging the barrels might have been tried, to keep the enemy
from getting the guns in working order until you are well out of
range.
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		Pathology		Poison Centre
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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: d89-den@ludd.luth.se (David Eliasson)
Subject: Advanced JAS 39 Gripen
Keywords: aircraft JAS 39 Gripen
Organization: Lule} H|gskolas datorf|rening ( Ludd )
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:37:35 GMT


From d89-den@ludd.luth.se (David Eliasson)


From d89-den@ludd.luth.se (David Eliasson)

In Sweden there have been some rumors going about a hotter version off the JAS
39 Gripen with a even more powerful version of the F 404 engine. What i have
heard it should already be flying. If there is somebody who nows something
about this can be nice two give me a answer.
If somebody nows something about what Radar missile it looks like they should 
buy too JAS 39 Gripen can also give an answer. Also in this qustion i have 
heard some rumors about the Swedish airforce should buy some French missile?
Happy fore an answer.
  

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From: A_COPEAB@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU (Brandon Cope)
Subject: is the A-10 going bye-bye?
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:22:28 GMT


From A_COPEAB@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU (Brandon Cope)




From A_COPEAB@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU (Brandon Cope)


I have heard a rumor that the Air Force plans to phase out the A-10 in favor of
using the F-16 (!) for ground attack. This sounds stupid enough for our
military to do, but I wanted to get a conformation. One of the reasons I heard
was that AF pilots considered the A-10 unglamorous and too slow.

Brandon Cope


Newsgroups: sci.military
From: CMSgt Mike Bergman <bergman@afnews.pa.af.mil>
Subject: AF News Svc 08/13/92
Organization: Hq Air Force News Agency/SCC
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:51:09 GMT


From CMSgt Mike Bergman <bergman@afnews.pa.af.mil>

652.  Emergency landing
     ELLSWORTH AFB, S.D. (AFNS) -- An American Airlines flight with more than
200 people bound for Los Angeles from London made an emergency landing after a
passenger suffered a fatal heart attack.
     Approximately 30 minutes before Flight 131, a Boeing 767, landed at
Ellsworth Aug. 12, a female passenger began to hyperventilate prior to
suffering the heart attack.
     Two flight attendants tried to revive the woman through CPR and continued
their efforts until the plane landed.
     Once on the ground, an Ellsworth emergency medical team took over the
revival efforts and transported the woman to the base hospital. Emergency
measures to revive her at the hospital also failed and she was pronounced dead
about 40 minutes after the plane landed.
     The flight, with 192 passengers and 11 crewmembers, was on the ground for
more than two hours before continuing on to Los Angeles, said American
spokesman Tim Smith in Fort Worth, Texas.



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From: ken@eies2.njit.edu (Kenneth  Ng)
Subject: Re: depleted uranium
Organization: NJIT - EIES2
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:22:42 GMT


From ken@eies2.njit.edu (Kenneth  Ng)

In article <Bsw0Ku.Lp1@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM: A_COPEAB@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU (Brandon Cope) writes:
:From A_COPEAB@CCSVAX.SFASU.EDU (Brandon Cope)
:	I could have sworn that I heard that DU rounds were a mild radiation
:hazard, and therefore tanks didn't carry DU rounds during peacetime, except in
:very special circumstances. Of course, this was over a year ago, from the
:mediots...

DU is an alpha emitter the last time I checked.  You can shield that with
a sheet of paper.  In a high neutron environment, though, you could have
it change into plutonium, but with that many neutrons your gonna have
other problems first.

-- 
Kenneth Ng
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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: danodom@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Dan Odom)
Subject: Security
Summary: Questions about security
Keywords: security fred
Organization: Kansas State University
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 12:39:30 GMT


From danodom@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Dan Odom)

This is being posted for a friend of mine...

----------------------------------------------------

I am writing a book and am looking for information about military base/post
security.
What's it like?
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Newsgroups: sci.military
From: dpe@inel.gov (Don Palmrose)
Subject: Re: making a radar decoy
Organization: INEL EG&G Idaho
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:07:30 GMT


From dpe@inel.gov (Don Palmrose)

In article <Bsvn4L.Dyn@lawday.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>, quest!curt (Curtis Gibson) writes:
> 
> 
> From quest!curt (Curtis Gibson)
> 
> Would anyone care to comment on what will "fool" a radar?  Will
> papermache covered with aluminum foil pass as a real truck or plane?
> If not, what kind of reflective surface would be needed? ( I am
> assuming the size and shape of the decoy are exactly the same 
> as the real thing.)  Thanks.
> 
> Curtis S. Gibson    curt%quest.UUCP@cs.umn.edu
> 
> 
> 

Radar decoys do not have to be the same shape as the real object they are
simulating.  There are ways to have a small object reflect more of the radar
energy in order to make it look much bigger.  For example, the US Navy uses
remotely controlled target boats.  They are about 40 ft long with fiberglass
hulls and appropriate speed boat engines.  They have a radar reflector to make 
them appear as a small destroyer or other such ship to a ship's surface search
radar.  There are other ways to do this rather than a physical reflector (i.e.
electronically).

Chaff uses aluminum foil cut in certain lengths to be more reflective of 
specific radar bands.  As to its thickness, I do not know, but I think it does
not have to be very thick.

Don Palmrose
"I'd rather serve on a ship not designed to sink...."






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From: charlie@deakin.OZ.AU (Charles Widdis)
Subject: Allied intelligence vs. Germany (WW2)
Followup-To: sci.military
Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:38:26 GMT


From charlie@deakin.OZ.AU (Charles Widdis)


From charlie@deakin.OZ.AU (Charles Widdis)


I have to write a paper on the role that allied intelligence played in the 
defeat of Nazi Germany (ie. world war two).  If anyone has any information/facts or views on this subject could they please post them or e-mail them to me.
Anything will help !
The actual wording of the question is as follows:
  "How important was 'intelligence' in defeating NAZI Germany ?"

Thanks In Advance,  Charlie.

email: charlie@deakin.oz.au

Charles Widdis, Deakin University, Victoria, Australia.
The views expressed here are not necessarily those of the University I attend.

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