HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Subject: Re: Hard info on accuracy of GPS vs. LORAN (DGPS)
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:18:53 GMT

In article <19AUG199214510204@reg.triumf.ca> advax@reg.triumf.ca (A.Daviel) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.191358.15846@brtph560.bnr.ca>, Heath Roberts <htrober@eos.ncsu.edu> writes...
>Anyone know anything about future support of Differential GPS? I believe that 
>it works using land stations to transmit an error correction signal, and that
>the accuracy is really good even if the military have degraded the regular GPS
>service for some reason. I see that there are experimental DGPS transmissions
>from Point Atkinson here at the moment.



I know that this is a bit of a teaser, but here goes: I *do* know a little
about DGPS, but I don't remember it very well. So instead I'll refer you 
to the source: Ocean Navigator Magazine (published by Navigator Publishing,
which has  PO Box in Portland, ME, and which I think has its editorial offices
there too). They had a long article on DGPS in the last or second-to-last
issue. In fact, they have really good articles about almost anything. It
is the one sailing mag I read cover to cover. 

-John Hughes
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: protest question (rule 32
Organization: Telecom Research Labs,Melbourne, Australia
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:43:57 GMT

In article <18AUG199210490604@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man...) writes:
>
>Another rules thing I'm not real clear on: Say it's before the start and lets
>say it's light air. A boat is close reaching on stbd. but going slowly. Another
>boat comes up from behind and gets a slight leeward overlap. This boat can then
>take the first boat up to close hauled (slowly). But the windward boat can't
>come up! If she does her stern will swing down and foul the leeward boat. The

The leeward boat must give the windward boat sufficient room and
opportunity to keep clear, which includes allowing for the stern to
swing.  The principle here is that boats can jockey for position at the
start, but not aggressively.  The rules try to allow boats to get a
fair start.  


As for the original T-bone question, I agree with those who have said
that S should not have been DSQ'd on the given grounds.  S could have
been disqualified if neither boat lodged a valid protest.

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
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From: donm@cs.UAlberta.CA (Don Murray)
Subject: Re: Request to start newsgroup rec.hobie
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:15:04 GMT

I think, if this group is to be made, it should be rec.boats.hobie,
rather than rec.hobie.

It is nice when new people to the net (like me) can find interesting
things easily!

On the other hand, I don't think a lot of rec.boats readers dislike
hearing the hobie side of things.  As a recent thread pointed out,
a lot of monohull sailors could stand to learn a little more about the
handling of cats.

Just my opinion :)

Don
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From: fquinn@ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Frank Quinn)
Subject: gotta sail
Reply-To: fquinn@serenity.ssf-sys.DHL.COM (Frank Quinn)
Organization: DHL San Mateo, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:56:13 GMT
Keywords: crew 


I'm hooked!!

You sailing folk have been keeping this a secret for years but I
found out.

Next phase is getting more time on the water.  If anybody on the
San Francisco penninsula or real close needs somebody to crew,
give me a call.  I can't afford a boat right now but I can afford
a six pack.

I live in Palo Alto, work in San Mateo.  I am currently taking
Basic 2 lessons at Spinaker Sailing out of Pete's Harbor.
Sundays would be out because I play soccer on Sundays, and I would
be available occasionally, not every weekend, as it doesn't go over
to well with the wife to spend all day Saturday sailing and then
Sunday playing soccer.

Please give me a call.

Frank Quinn
(415) 574-4197 - work

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From: macheske@aero.org (Richard M. Macheske)
Subject: What is a '85 30ft Catalina worth?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:31:02 GMT


The subject states the question.  A friend of mine is trying to
sell his sailboat.  Since I'm looking for one, I'm considering 
it.  I need to know what it's worth.  Here are the stats:

year: 1985
Maker: Catalina
engine: the biggest inboard available
hours: about 100
shape: needs some scrubbing and maintenance
size: 30ft

He's selling it since he hasen't used it in the last three years.
If you know what they are approximately worth, send me email.
Thanks,
Rick  (LA area)
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From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man...)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: protests or using the rules
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:02:00 GMT
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <STEPH.92Aug21110148@candide.uchicago.edu>, steph@cs.uchicago.edu (Stephen Wilson Bailey) writes...
>It's impressive how much faster you can go if you're not worried about
>attacking your opponent, or how your opponent is going to attack you.
>Maybe there should be two different sets of rules, one which
>discourages offensive tactics and one which permits them.

Right, generally the best tactics in a handicap fleet is no tactics. Just avoid
interactions with other boats. As you say there are people who go out of their
way to interact with you in a handicap fleet. I find that these folks are
usually frustrated from lack of results. They certainly don't help their silver
collection by using such tactics, and are also USUALLY easy to get away from.

I greatly enjoy handicap racing, but prefer one design and level racing, even
though I don't get the chance to do it very often. No excuses, no praying for
your boats ideal conditions, etc... Even in one design, tactics are only a
fraction of the story, there is also boathandling, boat speed and strategy to
be considered. If you don't have boat handling and boat speed, forget about
tactics. 

Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
> * OLX 2.1 * ease!Trim!eeeaaaassse!trimtrimTRIMeeeeeeeaaaaaasse!trimea
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From: heon@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (garry.j.heon)
Subject: Re: snow goose
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:17:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.180316.32110@watson.ibm.com>, walter@watson.ibm.com (Walter Wilson) writes:
> > You are 2 miles offshore, no radio and you are out of gas.	
> > WHAT EXACTLY WOULD YOU DO, if not fire off a flare (or two).. 
> 
> Hoist the mains'l can break out the genoa :-) 
> 
> But seriously folks, in my 30 years of driving a 
> car, I have NEVER run out of gas. If I were to drive
> a powerboat, I would never run out of gas there, either.
> Why would you?
> -- 

I for one have run out of gas in my car.  But NEVER in my boat.
I think it's because I have more respect for the ocean and the weather.
I got cought in a squall about 6 miles west of Block Island.  It
took 45 minutes and 60 gallons of gas to travel the 6 miles to Block,
that's in a boat that is usually running in the 70's.  I'm glad
I filled up that morning instead of saying "It's only 20 miles we have
plenty of gas"  because we would have never made it.

******************************************
* MY OPINIONS.............AT&T's NETWORK *
* Garry Heon                     AT&T    *
* heon@cbnewsg.att.com       Holmdel, NJ *
******************************************
From: edd@gvls2.gvl.unisys.com (Ed Dougherty)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: QE II Grounding
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:05:05 GMT
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa

In article <1992Aug11.195935.20460@leland.Stanford.EDU> stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.225004.23222@kronos.com> richb@kronos.com (Rich Braun) writes:
>
>I am reminded of the description that Evelyn Waugh gives of a transatlantic
>liner in "Brideshead Revisited":
>
But Julia was on this ship and that makes everything OK.

ed doc
From: jcs@zoo.bt.co.uk (John C Sager)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Hard info on accuracy of GPS vs. LORAN
Date: 20 Aug 92 08:32:21 GMT
Organization: British Telecommunications plc

In <1992Aug19.191358.15846@brtph560.bnr.ca>,
htrober@eos.ncsu.edu (Heath Roberts) writes:


 [...]

referring to GPS

> how likely is Defense to turn the whole thing off in times of crisis?


They do degrade the accuracy of the signal, as you know, but it would
be difficult for them to 'turn off' the system in times of crisis.
The part of the signal available for civil use (the C/A code) is also
necessary for military receivers, as they need to know approximately where
they are in order to know where to start looking when they want to correlate
the precision signal. If they did not do this, it would take the average
receiver far too long to lock on to the transmissions. I suppose it
would be possible to encrypt the C/A code, but I have never read anything
to suggest that this is part of the system. They could also degrade the
accuracy of the C/A signal even further, but if they do this, they just
lengthen the time it takes for the military receivers to acquire lock
to the precision signal.

John C Sager					Mail:	B67 G18, BT Labs
Email:	jcs@zoo.bt.co.uk				Martlesham Heath
Tel:	+44 473 642623					IPSWICH  IP5 7RE
Fax:	+44 473 637614					England
From: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Donnybrook sighting
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:43:10 GMT
Reply-To: bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson)
Distribution: usa
Organization: S&R Software, Incorporated

>anyone got caught with sail up, but a lot of boats did. Donnybrook, the Santa
>Cruz 70 had everything up when it hit. They trashed their main, went back in
>and got another one. They started late, but by this time there was no wind so
>they sailed back up to their fleet. When we got into St. Marys, there was
>Donnybrook with a busted rig. Apparently they ran aground (real smart to get a
>boat that draws 13 ft. on the Chesapeake!), the boat stopped and the rig kept
>going. I hear this is the third mast for them this year. The boat has an extra
>tall rig for the light air we get here. They consistently get line honors and
>then correct out to last place! What's the point? 
>
>Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
>Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
>> * OLX 2.1 * ease!Trim!eeeaaaassse!trimtrimTRIMeeeeeeeaaaaaasse!trimea

I found Donnybrook hauled out at Tidewater Marine, Baltimore. She's
a big, deep thing. The mast broke about 12 feet from the top. They
never got the main down, the main halyard is still run up to the
masthead. Somehow, they must have got someone aloft and cut the
main free, there are remnants still attached to the mast. 
Expensive looking remnants.  Apparantly, it was a relatively bloody 
operation, too. 

Judging from the almost total lack of paint on the bottom of
the keel, she's spent a good bit of time aground. Pretty
inappropriate boat for the Chesapeake. Indeed, what's the
point?

Bob
bobp@sandr.com


-- 
[ Bob Parkinson                                 S&R Software, Incorporated ]
[ bobp@sandr.com                                              410.628.9241 ]
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From: richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg)
Subject: Re: Flares (was: Re: snow goose)
Organization: Hatch Usenet and E-mail.  Playa del Rey, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:23:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.162125.12849@phri.nyu.edu> roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes:

>	What does one do with old, outdated, flares?  Is there a safe way
>to dispose of them?

I brought them to my local fire station and asked for the best way
to dispose of them.  They said "just leave them here", so I did.

-- 
                
Rich Greenberg - N6LRT - 310-649-0238 - richg@hatch.socal.com
From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: marine heads - advice/recommendations wanted
Keywords: groco head
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:01:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug19.204025.15182@cs.brown.edu> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>    Perhaps this is in part because I make a policy of pumping some "sea lube"
>through the head after each weekend of use. SeaLube is a commercial product
>that claims to be good to all the rubber parts of the head. So far, I've been
>utterly happy---the pump works smoothly and effectively. 

After each weekend of intermittent or contiguous use???? :-) 
 
For what it's worth, I basically ignored the PHII, and it needed nothing
in 5 years. The pump had so much excess capacity that it didn't matter
that it degraded a bit.

>By the way---installing a new packing is simple and clean---it happens entirely
>on the "clean water" side of the head, in case you're squeamish. So don't be
>*quite* so afraid of the W/C models, particularly if you can get a used one
>cheap. 

Yuk. A used head. Eww. Bleah. One of the things that I don't like about
the W-C is that it's a "compact" head, and it's sort of like the 
difference between  one of those little "on the road" bike pumps
and a big foot pump. Again, the PHII might not fit. It's got quite
a large pump assembly on the left side.
 
I once got aboard a Columbia 50 that had been finished in Koa by its
cabinetmaker skipper. He'd salvaged an old commercial vessel's head,
and polished everything up, bronze and stainless and aluminum. My
remark was "the *HEAD* on this boat is prettier than my whole boat!"
 
Greg
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From: greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough)
Subject: Re: Flares (Was: Snowgoose)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 08:11:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: na

In article <Bt2FB4.E1J@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> stefan@helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Stefan Mochnacki) writes:
>
>Funny you should mention this. A friend of mine relates a story
>that while sailing on Lake Ontario he was buzzed by some yahoo
>fishermen in a powerboat. I guess they must have been a bit
>drunk and thought he sailed to close to them. He was scared they were going 
>to ram him, so he pulled out his flare gun and took aim. That
>chased the yahoos away quick smart !
 
I would consider, before aiming a really quite ineffectual weapon at
another vessel, the possibility that they might return the favor with
a far more potent and effective projectile dispenser.
 
On the other hand, I often marvel at the stunts some folk choose to
pull around cruising sailboats. If they realized what kind of independent
cusses a number of cruising sailors are, you know, the type that feel 
that they have to be able to fend for themselves in any situation,
they might think twice before intimidating one of them with a show
of masculine bravado. One of those rifled slugs just below the waterline
can ruin your whole day.
 
Greg
From: cboes@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Christopher Boes)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Hobie Miracle 20
Keywords: fast, faster, fastest
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:33:52 GMT
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax Va.

Hay Hobie sailors, Hobie has a new fast cat out called the Miricle 20.

L.O.A. 19 ft 5 in.
Beam   8 ft 6 in.
Mast   31 ft
Weight 400 lbs.  (Thats right 400 lbs, this is not a typo)
Sail Area  265 sq. ft.

This thing is faster than the Prindle 19, Hobie 21, hell everything in
its size class for that matter.

I points better than any of the other Hobie Cats. Its only drawback for
the beach launcher is that it doen't have center boards. It has very
high aspect ratio daggerboards, so it handles like a dream.  I haven't
sailed on one yet, but I saw one and It was SEXY.

If your a Hobie nut like myself and love to go fast this is the boat wet
dreams are made of (pun intended).

Chris
"Blue Flash 86762"
cboes@gmuvax2.gmu.edu

>>>>>>>>> Go Fly a Hull <<<<<<<<<<<<<
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From: ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man...)
Subject: Re: Acquiring a blasted FCC liscense
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:51:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.144400.20962@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, keith@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Keith Hawkins) writes...
>If the FCC wants us to have a *@#*ing liscense
>so badly as to fine people up to $8000 for using
>a radio without a liscense, then why do they make
>it so impossible to get one in the first place!!!

I'm sorry sir we cannott answer your question at this time. Not 
only do you NOT have a 27b-6, but nobody is on the phones. All 
funds have been diverted to the war on drugs for the enforcers.
If you would like to pay your fee, just identify yourself on
channel 16, or if you are in a hurry, on 22, and the coast
guard will be in touch with you soon. 

>I can see I'm getting a whole hell of a lot
>for my tax dollars from this organization!!!

If you would like to hear a recorded message on
the warm feeling you should be getting knowing that
the evil drug users are being stamped out, press 1, now.

>(Driving down to philadelphia in person is out of the
>question.  I refuse to bend over backwards for this
>crap.)

I'm sorry sir, but you are not bending over backwards for
this crap, you are bending over forwards!


Tom O'Toole - ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu - JHUVMS system programmer 
Homewood Computing Facilities, Johns Hopkins University, Balto. Md. 21218 
> * OLX 2.1 * ease!Trim!eeeaaaassse!trimtrimTRIMeeeeeeeaaaaaasse!trimea
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: dsmith@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (David R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Frapped again
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:05:54 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Palo Alto,CA

In the Boy Scout Handbook* section on lashings, you "wrap" a cord around
the poles, then you "frap" in a perpendicular direction, around the wraps
and between the poles.  The memory mnemonic was "Wrap thrice, frap twice."

*At least in the edition I used as a scout.

-- 
David R. Smith, HP Labs | Quality is like buying oats.  If you want only top
dsmith@hpl.hp.com       | quality oats, you must pay a fair price.  However, if
(415) 857-7898          | you can be satisfied with oats that have already been
                        | through the horse once, that comes more cheaply.
From: nahaj@cc.utah.edu (John Halleck)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Composting toilets again.
Keywords: compost
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:07:00 GMT
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

>}What disadvantages do people see for them?  (Advantages include SMALL
>}volume of final material to dispose of.)  I can only think of their somewhat 
>}larger size as a disadvantage at the moment, but I suspect there are others.
>}
>}- John Halleck
> 
>The only composting toilets I have seen (on Soucia Island, Puget Sound USA) 
>is over half the size of my 42' sail boat!!  I'll stick to my holding tank.
>joel clark

 The more modern ones are MUCH smaller.  Many of the electric ones are on
 the order of the same size as a normal one with a holding tank.
 There are several versions designed to fit INTO a standard bathroom as
 a retrofit. (As I said, I was looking through a catalog of them when
 the question came up.)

 I'm still looking for answers to the questions asked in my original posting.

- John Halleck
Newsgroups: rec.boats
From: STU@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Mastercraft Trans.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:31:04 GMT

My MasterCraft 22 TriStar has the same problem - and her predicessor, also
a 22 TriStar had the problem when MasterCraft and my lawyer agreed on the
replacement.
 
They assured me several times that the shifting problem is a normal result
of a hydrolic transmission - it takes a few seconds to engage.  They suggested
keeping a very close watch on the fluid - and if it turns off pink, replacing
it immediately.
 
I've replaced mine a few times - it filled with water in the old boat -
but the new one is fine.  If you full it absolutely full, the shifting
lag is shorter.
 
Now, you ask, why did MasterCraft abandon a reasonable immediate shifting
transmission for a hydrolic unit that has a lag?   Probably the same reason
that they can't build a boat that doesn't leak.  My TryStar(s), [there were
two] both leak from the hull/deck joint at the transom.  The local fiberglass
wizard claims it is designed so badly that he wouldn't take my money to stop
the leak.  He recommended a second bilge pump at the aft end of the center
of the bilge.
 
If you ski for more than a few hours at a shot - or take long runs, install
a second pump.  The pump installed at the factory is so high that, when
plaining, the MasterCraft injests water in the transmission and occasionally
the engine without reaching the point where the pump will eject any water.
 
Why, you ask, isn't the pump at the lowest point.  Well, they explain, it
is at the lowest point when sitting in the water in the rain - if the boat
must be bailed out at anchor, for example.
 
I asked, "have you ever seen a MasterCraft sitting at anchor?
 
The boat doesn't even have cleats - you run at plaining speed or you put
her on a trailer or a lift!
 
Anyway, you get used to the lag eventually.   /Stu
From: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: snow goose
Date: 12 Aug 92 14:30:57 GMT
Reply-To: hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Hanners)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.boats, bobp@cherise.UUCP (Robert Parkinson) writes:
>In article <10AUG199211103878@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> ecf_stbo@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (
>Desert Stork: Delivers election in swaddling clothes...) writes:
>
>>I was sailing from Annapolis to Middle River yesterday, listening
>>to the weather channel, and heard a marine advisory that the 44' sailing vesse
>l
>>Snow Goose (home port Baltimore) was overdue from Bermuda (one man, two
>>women). I was wondering if this is the guy who sometimes posts here, and
>>if anyone knows anything about this and knows whether he is ok!
>
>I was out all weekend, between Baltimore and Still Pond. Another one,
>'Woo Wee' a 29 foot junk, has been overdue for at least a week from
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>the west coast bound for somewhere on the Chesapeake.
>
>[ Bob Parkinson                                 S&R Software, Incorporated ]

     Friends of ours, who were taking an extended cruise last week, saw
this boat and reported such to the CG.  The CG apparently discounted their
sighting since they had not actually seen the name "WOO WEE" or whatever.
Confirmation by the name seemed a bit excessive considering the unique
description of the boat (as I recall): green hull, traditional junk
rig with red sails, etc.  This is definitely not your standard vehicle
in the Chesapeake Bay.

     As I understand it, the boat's destination was north, perhaps the
New York area.  In any case, it seemed strange for the CG to continue for
two more days to announce this boat as unsighted considering its unique
description and the fact that its course was consistant with the announced
destination.

     Question: If someone does report a confirmed sighting (name, etc.),
does the CG continue the overdue announcements until CG contact has been
been established?  In other words are all such reports treated as being
possibly in error or simply pranks until proven otherwise?  This has
both settling and disturbing aspects-- settling to someone with a
potentially missing vessel; disturbing that there's so many crackpots
who might make such a report as "a joke".

-- Bob

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CD, NSWC, Annapolis, MD                              hanners@oasys.dt.navy.mil
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