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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:41:39 BST
From:         John Smyth <eeijsh@EEIUC.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      The ABYSS
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SUBJECT: THE ABYSS

    I should have remembered this logical title considering that the depths
    reached in this one were far below those in THE DEEP. ;-)

    >The movie with Ed Harris and Michael Biehn is The Abyss,
    >probably the worst movie James Cameron has made.This movie
    >certainly explored the limits of an audiences' credulity
    >
    >                          John Smyth.

    Though it hardly qualifies as masterpiece, I liked it as a good piece
    of entertainment with some creative ideas and special effects. And I
    don't think it stretched the limits of credulity more than most any SF
    movie.

    MICHEL

SPOILERS AHOY.........

Hi Michel,
What really disappointed me about THE ABYSS was that it fell far below the
impressive standard of other James Cameron movies. The ingredients of this
movie were much the same as his other, more successful movies :-
 lots of high-tech gadgets, a bunch of gung-ho Space Marines,sorry,
Navy SEALS, an ..er.. alien environment and of course, something lurking out
there.
       The first sign of something amiss is the journey of the SEALS down to
the underwater platform. Just as Mary Elizabeth Mastriano's (I can't spell her
surname) character is finished explaining that sometimes people who descend
the depths become complete lunatics (as she and the SEALS descend the depths
to the underwater platform), the camera cuts to one of the SEALS who is showing
signs already of going off the deep end. Voila, one lunatic.
Very unsubtle, Mr. Cameron.
                                    The second very dodgy bit is the drowning
scene where Ed Harris & Mary Elizabeth are trapped on a leaking submersible away
 from
the platform and there's only one diving suit between the 2 of them. She allows
herself to 'drown' in the hope of being revived when they get beck to the
 platform.
The drowning sequence itself is genuinely scary, but the 'revival'  scene is
 pathetic.
And why isn't Mary Elizabeth affected by the depth as she's carried to the
 platform with
no diving suit ?
                    Lastly, the climax of the movie is a let-down. Firstly, why
 does Harris
volunteer to dive into the ABYSS to defuse the bomb( dropped by the lunatic)
 when there
is at least one able-bodied SEAL left, especially as it's a suicide mission.
As he descends into the abyss, we see him swirling about, hardly able to
 co-ordinate
his movements- yet he can type perfectly on the keyboard to communicate with the
 rest of
the crew on the platform. And so on...
                     The movie,IMO, did have it's good moments but not enough of
 them.

                                    John Smyth
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 10:45:26 -0400
From:         MDESCHUYTENE@SBCCMAIL.BITNET
Subject:      Read his lips

               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-8121

                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
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SUBJECT: Read his lips

    Peter Schledorn posted the following on Monday:

    "There is a story about Dr. Strangelove, that during the shooting of
    the survival kit scene, the line Slim Pickens says after the inventory
    is: "Shoot!  A fella could have himself a pretty good weekend in Dallas
    with all this stuff."  But between the shooting and the release JFK was
    shot in Dallas, so they changed the soundtrack to say "Vegas."  I
    haven't checked dates, so this might just be a myth, but in the film
    Pickens' mouth could just possibly be saying "Dallas."

    Best,
    Peter"

    Which prompted me, as I was watching DR. STRANGELOVE on TNT last night,
    to pay much attenetion to Slim Pickens lips during that scene. And I'd
    agree he is saying "Dallas" while we hear "Vegas".
    Of course, I'm not expert at reading lips...
    MICHEL
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:25:17 EDT
From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Barton Fink (I did get some posts)

Currie,
Yes, I got your posting re. Barton Fink ... alas, after I
sent mine about getting little to no reply.  I enjoyed reading
your assessments.  I guess I joined up after all the hullaballoo
last spring.

--Anjani
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:48:00 CDT
From:         Becky Albitz 5-5931 <CADALBTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bette Davis movie recommendations, anyone?

Another one of my Bette Davis favorites is Dark Victory.  A real
tear-jerker!  All About Eve is also one of my favorites!
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:53:32 CST
From:         Ricardo Noyola Picazzo <AL282897@VMTECSLP.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Summary of Law and Order films
              27 Aug 1992 12:19:00 CDT from <RHAMEL@MACC.WISC.EDU>

I've just remembered _Patriot Games_.

Ricardo.
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:46:00 CDT
From:         Becky Albitz 5-5931 <CADALBTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Plebian Escapism...

I agree with an earlier suggestion.  Some Like It Hot is still one
of the funniest films ever made (IMHO).  Jack Lemmon is wonderful
as a bass player in drag.  Tony Curtis does a wonderful parody of
either Cary Grant or himself (depending on how you look at it.)
Marilyn Monroe is at her comic best.  It helps that I'm a Billy Wilder
fan, but I recommend this film hightly.  Enjoy your Holiday!
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 06:59:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: T&L
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Gayle Gleason agrees "somewhat" with my arguements about the end of T&L
which gratefies me to no end - Another example for the opposite sort of
movie would be any in the Charles Bronson "DeathWish" series, particularly
the first one.
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:22:20 PDT
From:         DU013@OASIS.CALPOLY.EDU
Subject:      Bette Davis movies
              3 Sep 1992 14:40:57 EDT from Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>

From:  Mary Shaffer



Anjani, I think "Three Faces of Eve" is a Joanne Woodward film. "All About
Eve" is the Bette Davis movie. Personally, I would include "All About Eve"
in the first tier. It's certainly one of her best roles.

Thanks,
Mary
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 10:00:14 CDT
From:         Christopher Mark Conn <sascmc@UNX.SAS.COM>
Subject:      lawnmower man and the final analysis
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Has anybody seen _Lawnmower Man_? What did you think of
it? I'm about half way through...

I also rented _The Final Analysis_ with Richard Gere and
Kim Basinger, plan on watching it tonight. Any opinions?


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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 18:19:33 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: The Law in Movies

It's been so long and I'm so far behind I can't remember now, but did anyone
include _The Devil and Daniel Webster_ (aka All that Money Can Buy).  A great
film, just recently released on laserdisc in a fully restored version that
makes it better.

Jeff
Clark
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:06:20 -0500
From:         FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Dark Horses

I think the film your thinking of with the faith issue--and also with Mimi
Rogers in the lead--is _The Rapture_, already out on video for a month or
so.
Jeff Clark
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Subject: A Boy and His Dog
Date: 31 Aug 92 17:08:37 GMT
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I know that Harlan Ellison was deeply involved with this great movie,
and it certainly bears his stamp.  I saw him in person once, and he
manages to sound just the way you would think from his writing:
angry, intelligent, fascinating, maybe a bit pompous.  More info, anyone?


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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:52:00 +0200
From:         "FINTAN AYLWARD EXT.1231" <eei.eeifad@MEMO.ERICSSON.SE>
Subject:      Law and order
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Ellen
      The movie I refered was released last year and concerned
what I though the last person to be hanged in Britan. The lad was
hanged (I can't remember his name) due to him allegedly saying
'let 'em have it, Chris, let 'em have it'. Derek Jarrmann or
somebody like that plays the young lad who was suppose to be the
last person hanged in Britan. The film is set in 1952 a year or
so before hanging was abolished. The two accused are cornered by
the police while breaking into a warehouse. The person who was
eventually hanged gives himselfup when he sees the odds against
him are too much. His friend Chris, who has a gun tries to hold
out. He gives up eventually but not before he kills a policeman.
Chris was only a juvenile and so could not be hanged so the
prosecution attempt to build up a case against Bently(I think now
thatwas his name). He is hanged on the basis of inciting Chris by
saying,just before the shots are fired 'let em have it Chris, let
'em have it'. The defence argue that Bently was refering to the
gun the prosecution argue he incited Chris. The film is more an
arguememt proclaiming the innocense of Bently depicting him as
slow and very easily lead. Also it attempts to put forward new
evidence that would prove Bently innocent. It was released last
year and for a low budget movie is reasonably suceesful in what
itattempts to do. I have not seen the movie you refer to, but is
the movie you refer to called Dr. Crippon. I could be very wrong
but I believe the topic is of simular nature.

                                             Fintan
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:19:31 -0500
From:         Currie Thompson <cthompso@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU>
Subject:      Barton Fink

   Someone wrote to ask about the ending of _Barton Fink_.  Since I haven't
seen a response, I'll send a few ideas.
   I loved the movie and the ending, which surely can be interpreted in
many ways.  I saw the ending as epitomizing Barton Fink.  There he is on
the beach with a beautiful woman who is wearing a sexy swim suit and
basking in physical reality.  Barton, in contrast, is totally out of place,
wearing his serious suit and his glasses and carrying a box that must
contain a severed head--totally out of it.  The severed head itself is
replete with meanings, one of which is that it represents Barton himself.
He is a head, a brain, cut off from contact with the rest of himself, with
his physical being.  He is as rigid and as out of step with what is going
on as is the rock that is hit by the wave.
    I don't know if this the type of response you are looking for.  It
occurs to me that you may be looking for something different--I have a
friend who is concerned to figure out in _Barton Fink_ what is illusion and
what is reality.  In my view this is totally immaterial--and a bit like
trying to establish the same distinctions in a dream you have had.  In any
case, I would be interested in hearing other responses to this film.
Currie Thompson
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Date:         Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:03:06 -0400
From:         MDESCHUYTENE@SBCCMAIL.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Films about Frontiers

               State University of New York at Stony Brook
                       Stony Brook, NY 11794-8121

                                            Michel Deschuyteneer
                                            Department of Neurology, HSC
                                            516 444-1469
                                            28-Aug-1992 06:34pm EDT
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SUBJECT: RE: Films about Frontiers

    Well, Mary, from your list I'd say you covered a lot of ground ;-)

    I would first nominate LES PREMIERS HOMMES DANS LA LUNE (The first men
    on the moon) by Georges Melies ca. 1910. Great special effects!

    Here are a few suggestions:

        HEAVENS GATE
        CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND
        BLACK HOLE
        BRAINSTORM
        THE BIG BLUE
        THE DEEP
        THE MOSQUITO COAST
        PLANET OF THE APES
        20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA

    And I forgot the exact original English title of the adaptation of
    that other Jules Verne's classic "Voyage au centre de la Terre" (was it
    Journey at the Center of the Earth?) also with James Mason in the title
    role.
    MICHEL
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 09:07:14 -0500
From:         Currie Thompson <cthompso@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU>
Subject:      When will we have another posting on video releases?

     Not so long ago someone on this network was making regular postings
giving dates for when films (new and old releases) were going to be released
on video.  What happened?  I'd like to see that type of list again.
Currie Thompson
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:15:41 CDT
From:         "A.J. Wright" <MEDS002@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Trust

I just happened to catch the film _Trust_ (1990) last night on The Movie
Channel. Has anyone else seen it? I recommend it highly; it's a hilarious,
biting take on trust in personal relationships, at work, etc. Apparently filmed
in Lindenhurst NY with a cast of (to me, at least) total unknowns who are all
very good. Anyone know anything about other films by the writer/director, Hal
Hartley? TMC is showing this one again on Sept. 11 and 28; SEE IT IF YOU CAN.

A.J. Wright/meds002@uabdpo
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:07:50 EDT
From:         Anjani Chandra <QAI@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject:      Parents

All this talk of Delicatessen has reminded of another dark
comedy ... Parents.
The only actor I can recall was Randy Quaid.
It was set in the '50s and satirized the carnivorous and
bland appetites of an All-American Family (right after Quayle's
heart... literally).  (Sorry, I couldn't restrain myself.)
Did any of you see this one?

--Anjani
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 09:14:34 CDT
From:         Carol Slingo <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Video lists--Company of Strangers
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              1, 92 8:40 am

A while back someone was worried that THE COMPANY OF STRANGERS/STRANGERS IN
GOOD COMPANY would not be released to video.  My local store has a copy in
their new videos batch.
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:05:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: THELMA

Having just watched T+L for the first time, I have to
cast my chips with those who've found it confused and
unsatisfying. But, again, I've only seen it once.

Several of us have praised the camerawork. I considered it
one of the problems -- it was accomplished, but dense and
pretentious.

R. Scott's heavy visual style -- too many smoke machines and
fog filters -- gives a feeling of weight that the script and
overall tone don't support. If it had been shot in a lighter mood,
we'd forgive the obscurities -- but instead we're made to feel
that the loose ends and weak motivation must surely be part of the "art".

This'll raise some howls -- but I think the film might have
been better if Clint Eastwood had directed.

Callie Khourie (sp?) co-produced as well as wrote it, if I remember
the credits correctly.

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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:06:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: THELMA
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kjf claims to have seen the use of smoke machines and fog filters in T&L -
where?
He calls the camerawork dense and pretentious - I found the camerawork
elegant and straightforward.
I don't think he saw the same version of T&L that I did.
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Date:         Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:58:55 EDT
From:         Gayle Williams <GWILLIAM@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Let Him Have It

Let Him Have It is the film based on the true case of Derek Bentley, the
young man who was hanged in Great Britain in the early 50s.  The title
of the film is the phrase that was explained in court as either meaning
he wanted Chris to give up the gun to the policeman (defending solicitor)
or telling Chris to fire at the policeman (prosecutor).

I just rented it last weekend and was very impressed.  The first hour of
the film gives a lot of character buildup of Derek's family life and his
taking up with a teenage gang out of the desire to fit in somewhere.
All the cast are outstanding, especially the actress playing Derek's
sister (her name escapes me).  By the time, the trial scenes take place,
it seems outrageous that this actually did happen and Bentley was indeed
hung.  I highly recommend it to those who haven't seen it.
Gayle Williams
University of Georgia Libraries
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:00:00 EDT
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Fritz Lang-Cinemascope (was Cocteau)

> Vistavision was something different.  As I understand it, the frame
>was arranged differently on the strip of film than normally: that is,
>instead of being perpendicular to the strip, it was arranged parallel
>to the strip.

So, VistaVision was printed lengthwise and full-frame:

0  0__0__0__0__0__0__0__0__0__0  0
  |              T             |
  |  L                      R  |
  |              B             |
  |____________________________|
0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0

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are printed widthwise and squeezed:

0  _____________ 0
0 |      t      |0
0 | l         r |0
0 |      b      |0
0 |_____________|0
0                0

It was VistaVision, then, that led to Fritz Lang's dictum:

     "I shall never make a film lying down"

and Cocteau's haunting and unforgettable:

     "I shall now have to write my poetry sideways."

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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 14:43:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Cocteau
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kjf's witty little quote from Cocteau may give the impression that
Cocteau was a "light weight" or a less then truely wonderful director -
Let me set the record straight - Cocteau made wonderful movies and if
"scoffed" at Cinemascope as kjf claims he certainly made up for it by
providing some of the most startling and poetic images to appear on any
screen.
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 08:59:46 CDT
From:         Christopher Mark Conn <sascmc@UNX.SAS.COM>
Subject:      lawnmower man
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Well, I finished _Lawnmower Man_ last night...

It just got worse and worse and somehow I got this funny
feeling that the people that put it together had no IDEA
what virtual reality was really about! And there's a SEQUEL
in the works!

Any other opinions?


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