From: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: AIDS and all that jazz
Date: 13 Dec 92 16:39:39 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: mukasa@panix.com (Michael K Mukasa)

In article <1992Dec11.173819.6884@panix.com>, mukasa@panix (Michael K Mukasa) writes:
>So since you are the expert on African culture and way of life please tell
>us how and in what way did changes (if any) in african culture caused the
>epidemic.  Are you saying one day Africans just decided to change
>thousands of years of tradition and started having mass orgies???

I've said it repeatedly: increased transportation, and incorrect Western
medical procedures.

>I also said in an earlier posting of mine that Africans named the disease
>called Aids before the term AIDS was applied to the symptoms (in about the
>early eighties to my knowledge) in and around Eastern Africa.

I believe "slim disease" goes back to the seventies.

>							        Africans are
>not stupid and if this disease was present a long time ago there would have
>been a name for it from long before.

Only as it starts to spread.  You don't realize something is a distinct
disease until many people come down with the same disease.

>>Yes, you were.  You were trying to prove certain origin theories were
>>impossible, because it would not spread past the initial victims.

>This I did prove.

No, you did not.


>>Perhaps I misunderstood you, in which case I apologize.  You've repeatedly
>>said homosexuality is "virtually nonexistent", and in one article you
>>wrote <193@blue.cis.pitt.edu>:

>I would like everyone to take note.  He quotes Makala (Better known a Paul
>M Mweene, who I agree with often) and says I said it.

Whoops.  I'm sorry.

>						        Makala is posting
>from Pittsburg I am quite far from there.  Your attempt at covert
>plagerisim, total lying and outright falsification has ben uncovered.

Calm down.  When the postings are regularly > 200 lines, I sometimes
lose track of things.  OK??

>sure your professors would be very interested to learn about this.  Or are
>you going to say ALL BLACK PEOPLE LOOK ALIKE ANYWAY and expose the racist
>that you are.

No, ALL USENET POSTERS LOOK ALIKE ANYWAY.  Little white characters on a
black background.  Perhaps you and Paul Mweene can include GIFs in your
signature?

>You have now lost ALL credibility in my mind and I shall stop arguing
>with a person who so blatantly dishonest.  I shall not post again on this
>topic after such low, underhanded and falsehearted tactics.

Translation: I get to permanently duck the questions of evidence and so on

>>that you explicitly mentioned the latter, I assumed you meant the former.

>>And in a previous article <1992Dec3.183031.5658@panix.com>, you wrote:
>>|Or is it back to that lone African Homosexual WAITING FOR THE
>>|ARRIVAL HIS SAILOR LOVERBOY FROM ACROSS THE OCEAN.

>NOW HE CORRECTLY QUOTES ME TO TRY AND COVER HIS flagrant insincerity.

What cover up?  I gave full identification.

>>Sure they do.  The same as the heterosexual term.  The only reason English
>>has words like "homosexuality" or "heterosexuality" for the two notions
>>is because doctors in the 1800s discovered homosexuality and needed a
>>clinical term to describe it.

>Mr. wiener the African Language expert has spoken.  He who has never set
>foot on African soil and I bet does not even speak one African language
>even poorley, states he knows what he is talking about.

I recall one anthropologist, I think in Nigeria, discussing the boys that
he had observed.  In pointing out the non-existence of homosexuality and
bestiality, he mentions that the concept exists, but no one would do such
a thing.  For support, he mentions one conversation he overheard that went
like (in translation) "I'd like to screw that girl" in a rather crude
manner, and to cover this, someone joked "What, instead of screwing a boy
or goat?" and everyone laughed.

This sort of thing is beyond language.  If you want to describe sexual
acts between men, and don't have a word, you just use the words for
sexual acts between men and women and name the participants.

(I don't have the book handy, but I can provide an exact reference if you
like.)

>Do you even speak anyother language apart from Enlish because if you did
>you would NEVER compare terms in different languages.

You didn't understand what I was saying.  "Homosexuality" is an artificial
word, introduced into the English language by doctors, who took the term
from German doctors, where it was just as artificial.

>>>>>Wiener said Africans started AIDS,

>> For all I know, the
>>disease spread to humans when our Manchester sailor boy deep mooched a
>>monkey in Zaire in the mid-50s, and then spread it to prostitutes before
>>coming back to England to die in 1959.

>HERE HE ADMITTS HIS ERRORS AND PUTS FORWARD THE MOST PLAUSIBLE THEORY

What errors am I admitting to here?

>MAKALA called you AFRICPHOBIC NOT I.

I apologize.

>PLEASE FEEL FREE TO RANT AND RAVE ABOUT YOUR THEORIES.  YOU HAVE BEEN
>EXPOSED FRO THE SICK LIAR AND DECEIVER AND RACIST THAT YOU ARE.  I SHALL
>NOT STOOP TO ARGUING WITH SUCH A PERSON AS YOUSELF.

Translation: given the opportunity to jump on the cheapest stupidest
possible mistake, I will now claim anything.

>>>First you say mutating is slim then you say mutating occurs all the time.

>>First I said _certain lethal particulars_ have slim odds.  Then I said
>>that mutation occurs all the time.  No contradiction.

>MUTATION IS MUTATION, OR ARE YOU SAYING SOME MUTATIONS ARE SUPERIOR TO
>OTHERS ????????.

Each mutation is different.  Without the specifics, you can't say much
more than that.

>>Not at all.  Any particular mutation is unlikely, but mutations occur
>>all the time.

>MORE LIES TO CLOUD THE FACTS

No, this is basic Biology 101.

> I can read but I HAVE NEVER BEEN A PLAGERIST UNLIKE YOU

Where have I plagiarized anyone?  Do you know what the word means?  Do
you even care, just as long as it sounds insulting?

>New Jersey IS NOT  Rakai district YOU MAY HAVE BEEN TO MANY PARTS OF NEW
>JERSEY SO YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ISOLATION THERE BUT BY YOUR OWN ADMITTANCE
>YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO AFRICA SO DON'T MAKE STATEMENTS YOU KNOW ABSOLUTLY
>NOTHING ABOUT.  Oh I forgot you love to lie.!!!

I'm trying to spell out what I mean by "isolated".  No more, no less.
If you keep criticizing me for a meaning I never intended, whooptie do.

>TODAY  I HAVE PROVED WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG AND I SHALL POST NO
>MORE ON THIS TOPIC BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN VINDICATED.

Translation: I will now forever duck the biomedical questions, which are
outside of my domain.

>AIDS DID NOT SART IN AFRICA, THIS I HAVE PROVED TO MY SATISFACTION BEYOND
>ALL REASONABLE DOUBT AND WITHOUT RESORTING TO LIES.

Share it with the rest of the world.  The fact that I went too fast on
yet another >>200 line article won't prove a thing.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american