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From: jimiii@mips.com (Jim Warford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Practicing during a round?
Date: 15 Apr 1992 21:15:28 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
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>In article <1220021@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>, ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson) writes:
> 
> Wrong.  Your Dad was hard done by.  The worst he was guilty of was bad
> etiquette, for practising while his challenger had not finished the hole.
> Maybe that's why the other guy got shirty, but all the same he was still
> invoking a non-existent rule.  Once your Dad made the putt, the hole is over
> for him.  The rules allow you to take a practice stroke on the hole just played
> (or any hole already played ??). 
>
 Once your dad holed out on the 18th green he was finished with his round
and should not have lost the hole or tournament.
 You are allowed to practice putting once the ball is holed out, provided
that there is not a group waiting to hit onto the green.
 You are allowed to practice putting and chipping while waiting to tee off
provided you do not interfere with other golfers.
 These two rules may be disallowed by a local rule.

 You are not allowed to hit practice drives, 7 irons or any full stroke
during a round.  This includes hitting that sacrifice to the water gods
or driving a ball off into the woods.

--jimiii@mips.com

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 Younger women 
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From: jimiii@mips.com (Jim Warford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Bore-thru shaft replacement
Date: 15 Apr 1992 17:36:16 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: electron.mips.com

In article <1992Apr13.160157.6801@math.utah.edu> c-mt@math.utah.edu writes:
>In article <204783@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, gomer@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle) writes:
>|> 
>|> Does anyone know if it's possible for golf club repair shops
>|> to replace/change shafts on the bore-thru clubs such as the
>|> Callaway and Mizuno woods??  It would seem to be more difficult
>|> than with conventional shafts and heads.
>|> 
>
>It can be done with absolutely no problem unless you broke the shaft 
>off right at the head, but this is always tricky.
>
I have a friend who snapped the shaft in her Callaway driver right 
at the head.  This is what I did:

I used a drill bit slightly larger than the hole down the middle of the
shaft and drilled the shaft out slightly.
I then increased the size of the drill bit by ~.020"
I kept this up until I was using a bit just slightly smaller than
the diameter of the hole in the clubhead.
I then heated the clubhead with a torch to craze the epoxy holding 
the remainder of the shaft.
I then used a soft steel reaming bit to clean out the remainder of the
shaft and the epoxy.
After reshafting she hits it about 230 and boringly straight.  Of course
she plays to a 5 handicap from the mens tees (and has only been playing
golf about 3 years).
Look for her on the LPGA tour in a couple of years.
Name of Lisa Brown.

--jimiii@mips.com




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 Faster horses
 Younger women 
 Older whiskey
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From: jimiii@mips.com (Jim Warford)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: PING...AH BATTA BING...
Date: 17 Apr 1992 20:58:40 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: electron.mips.com

In article <1992Apr16.184328.5989@ms.uky.edu> nyberg@ms.uky.edu (Jack Nyberg) writes:
>   I have always been told, "It's a poor craftsman who blames his
>tools."  And I think that this applies to golf.  You don't buy
>a better game.  You get a better game by practicing!  A good player
>could play with a set of "beginner (ahem) Northwesterns" and dust 
>the weekend player with his $2000.00 set.  It's the player--not the 
>clubs.
>
 Me and my girlfriend were at the driving range one day.  She was at the
beginner/learning stage and kept topping the ball.  She then complained
that there was something wrong with her powerbuilt clubs, which, while
not top-of-the-line were good enough to learn with and there is no reason
to spend $500+ for clubs which will sit in the garage if she doesn't like
the game.
 I said "Let me see" and took her 8-iron.  I hit one ball and bounced it
off the 150-yard sign on the fly.  She never complained again. ;-)

 Regarding someones question about how the contestants for the masters
are picked, I have that information at home and keep forgetting to bring 
it in.  Maybe next week!

--jimiii

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 Faster horses
 Younger women 
 Older whiskey
 More money!
From: cec@ms-2.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: cavity back irons
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:46:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa

In article <1992Apr9.130617.23672@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> warren@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (warren.a.montgomery) writes:
>I was a skeptic on new iron design as well as on metal woods,
>until last summer when I played a round with a rented set on an
>unfamiliar and difficult course on a rotten rainy day, and still
>felt in control and had a decent game.  Over the winter I got a
>moderately priced set of new technology clubs.  I had a tough time
>picking out what I wanted, because every new technology iron I hit
>in the batting cage hit perfectly and solidly, whether it was from
>a $100 or $1000 set.  I took them out for the first time last
>week, tieing my best on the course I played, in spite of 45 degree
>weather, unputtable greens, rotten fairways, not having played in
>5 months, and missing several greens because I didn't yet know my
>distance ranges with this set.  For me, I doubt it is psychology,
>since I didn't expect the clubs to make a difference.  I'm sold now!
>
>-- 
>
>	Warren Montgomery
>	att!iexist!warren



  Hi Warren,

  Glad to hear that you like them!  My clubs are not name brand, so to
  speak, just the "Tour Model" cavity backs made by Dynacraft.  However,
  I doubt that I'll EVER get good enough to warrant really expensive
  ones (IMHO, you would need to be a single digit handicapper to see
  any real difference between my knockoffs and a set of 845s...).

  And I appreciate the comments from the various netters as to why their 
  game has improved due to the new technology irons.  I too definitely
  play more because I enjoy it more, so I have learned at a faster rate.

  And to those who claim I'm not playing better, only "scoring" better, 
  well, I didn't think that that HOW you got the ball on the green
  really mattered.....just how many STROKES it took you to do it.

  I've never pretended to be a great golfer....but I really love the 
  game, and being able to make a birdie every round or so sure makes it
  more fun!

  Hope everyone enjoys the Masters....and as much as I'd like to see
  Tom Watson win another one, I think that Couples, Faldo, Jose Marie,
  and Seve have the inside track.

  Pete Collins
  WWAG

  P.S.  A question:  I always have just responded to a post on this 
	board....but how do I post an original message?  Mail it to
	"rsg.post@berkeley.layout"??  I would appreciate some advice,
	so I don't waste my time and yours with tests....
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: cec@ms-2.gvl.unisys.com (Pete Collins)
Subject: Re: Well done Fred
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:13:48 GMT

In article <mvij.703174905@unix2.tcd.ie> mvij@unix2.tcd.ie (madhav vij) writes:
>In <griffinb.703163520@unix1.tcd.ie> griffinb@unix1.tcd.ie (brendan james griffin) writes:
>
>>Great win by Couples at Augusta yesterday. I was actually hoping he
>I think that Fred's lucky streak will have run out by the time the U.S. Open
>comes along !

  News flash for ya here, Madhav...it ain't luck.  You should read more, or
  check out the sunday afternoon golf coverage....Fred is currently the #1
  player in the WORLD, #1 on the money list this year, and #1 in overall stats.
  No, I'm not predicting that he will win the Open, but to call how he's been
  playing "luck" is preposterous!

>   I feel that an American will win the Open , perhaps a retention by Payne
>   Stewart or maybe Calcavekkia (sp?) ,Pavin , Davis Love .
>     I do hope that Raymond Floyd can win , although i doubt it .

  Me too....he's a class act, and deserves to win the way he's been playing.

>
>Floyd lost the Masters , Couples just  played par golf .

  Actually, Freddie shot -2 on sunday....while Floyd shot -1.  And that's not
  bad at Augusta National.  And while I admire and respect Ray Floyd as a 
  golfer and an all-around nice guy, to say that Couples didn't "win" the
  Masters is...oh, what's the word.....presposterous, maybe??

>I don't know how he missed the putts on 11 , 12 and 13 .
>Had his eagle gone in on the 15th , it might have been a different story .

  Yeah, but it's not too often putts of that length DO go in...although it
  would have made for an exciting finish.
>
>All in all , Good luck Fred because that all your going to win this year .A hot
>player has to go cold sometime !! 

  I'd be willing to bet a decent sum of money that Freddie DOES win again this
  year....and probably more than once!  BUT, as gambling is illegal, we'll just
  bet for bragging rights...

>
>
>--
>-----
>Madhav.
>____________________________________________________________________
>						mvij@unix2.tcd.ie

  I'm curious, Madhav.....do you have something against him personally?  Or
  are you a Woosie fan, and angered by his not repeating?  Not a jab at Ian,
  folks, he's a great golfer......just wondering.

  Pete Collins

  WWAG


Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: Re: What to do? Was-Sick to death of slow play
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  Marin County, Ca.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 18:46:44 GMT

In article <1127.29d9a901@mbcl.rutgers.edu> zemaitis@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
>If after repeated warning from the Ranger regarding
>their slow play, I would opt for removing them from the course with or without
>refund as is the discretion of Club management.
>
>I think the US is unique in that Public courses DO NOT require proof of
>attaining even the most rudimentary skills of playing golf; Set by
>establishment of a fair handiacap, say 25.  Sure, when I first started playing
>golf I wouldn't have been allowed on a course with this rule, but then
>again, if I was not playing well at least I'd play fast!  I suppose the 
>problem would be the qualification process; How would it be done?
>What do you folks in Europe do to qualify to play public courses?  

Exactly - if you can't get on a course without a 25 handicap - how do
you get a handicap ?  Sounds like catch-22 to me.  As a high-handicap
player who also plays quickly, I don't think that it is fair to blame
slow play on just the lousy golfers.  When I play, I take one practice
swing, and hit it.  When I am putting I don't sit there and look at 
the green from all angles (like there's $25,000 riding on it or 
something).  The biggest problems are people who just don't hit the
ball.  I see a lot of people who aren't ready to hit when it is their
turn, etc.  I think that perhaps golf courses should offer courses in
golf etiquette and tips on speedy play.  They then could limit the
players to those with a minimum handicap, or to those who have attended
the class.  

Guido
From: olof@me.chalmers.se (olof daunius)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Driver problem
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:52:04 GMT
Reply-To: olof@me.chalmers.se (olof daunius)

In article <2926@sol.deakin.OZ.AU>, mclean@cm.deakin.oz.au (Stewart
McLean) writes:
> 
> 	Hi fellow golfers, I was wondering if someone out there could
> 	help me with a problem. The problem is that I can hit my Ping
> 	black dots (with KT shafts) without any problem. In fact, 
> 	my 1 Iron is probably my favoriate club. On the other hand, 
> 	when I pick yp my Driver, I invariably slice it. My Driver 
> 	if you're wondering has a 10.5 degree Taylor made head with 
> 	a graphic shaft (the flex of which is unknown to me. I bought 
> 	it second hand about a year ago).
> 
> 	What makes this story so strange is that with my friend's Driver, 
> 	an 11 degree Cleveland Classic with a S300 steel shaft, I 
> 	practically never miss the fairway. In fact, I feel as if I can 
> 	belt the living daylights out of it and still keep it on the fairway.
> 	

 That's funny, because I've had the opposite experience.
 I'm having _big_ troubles mastering a low hook with my newly bought
 stiff graphite shafted 9.5 degree Taylor, while I tend to slice my
 stiff steel shafted 8.5 degree Taylor.
 It might be a mental problem.

 BTW, I own six drivers, can anyone beat that? 

Olof Daunius: olof@tfd.chalmers.se
Dept. of Thermo and Fluid Dynamics
Chalmers Univ. of Technology, Gothenburg, Sweden
tel. +46 31 72 37 90
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: CA.JOE@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Koepnick)
Subject: Re: All this talk about the pros clubs...
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 23:06:08 GMT

In article <5345@cvl.umd.edu>,
thompson@cvl.umd.edu (Scott Thompson) writes:
>The simple point is that the less discouraged a beginner gets, the
>faster he/she will learn.  The newer technology provides larger
>sweet spots, allowing more room for error.  Clearly, these newer
>clubs help to reduce the levels of frustration; and therefore
>help to expedite learning.
>
>
The larger sweet spots only teach you
to miss-hit the ball "well." It makes it more difficult
to determine what makes a ball fly the same way every time
cause so many swings produce similar results. Therefore,
you only score better, and learn slower.

Joe
From: john@sequent.com (John Vander Borght)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Answers to Rules of Golf Quiz
Date: 6 Apr 92 22:40:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Apr6.224037.23672
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

Only 4 people answered the rules of golf quiz.  Guess most of you didn't want
the challange.  Since there were only 4, I'm going to mail them individually
with their scores.

The scores were 19, 25, 36, and 41.  I got 47 correct using both the Rules of
Golf and the Decisions on the Rules.

I also got my results back on my final exam from the workshop I attended.
I scored 90 out of 100.  That was 7th among the 56 people taking the test.
Needless to say, I feel pretty good about that.

Here are the answers along with the citation from either the Rules book or
the Decisions on the Rules.

Question 41 was the only one that everyone missed.

If anyone has any questions about the answers, I'll be glad to answer them
as best as I can.

 Q  A	Citation			
---------------------------------------------
 1. D	Decision 4-2/1.5
 2. A	Decision 27-2b/9
 3. D	Definitions - Out of Bounds
 4. D	Definitions - Provisional Ball
 5. C	Rule 2-2
 6. B	Definitions - Addressing the Ball
 7. E	Rule 25-1a
 8. B	Rule 24-2c
 9. D	Decision 6-6a/6
10. B	Decision 28/11
11. E	Decision 13-4/6
12. A	Decision 15/4
13. D	Definitions - Caddie and Rule 19-4
14. A	Decision 23-1/5
15. D	Rule 6-6d
16. C	Rule 17-2b
17. D	Rule 2-5
18. C	Rule 18-2c
19. C	Decision 19-1/10
20. C	Rule 34-1b(iii)
21. C	Rule 18-3a
22. D	Rule 9-2a
23. C	Rules 19-2a and 30-3f
24. A	Definitions - Outside Agency
25. B	Definitions - Loose Impediments
26. E	Decision 13-2/8.5
27. D	Decision 5-3/5
28. D	Decision 13-2/6
29. A	Decision 20-1/12
30. E	Decision 18-2c/1
31. C	Decision 22/4
32. E	Decision 15/6
33. E	Decision 12-2/2
34. B	Rule 30-3c
35. B	Decision 11-4b/6
36. D	Decision 15-1/4
37. C	Decision 27-1/2
38. B	Decision 34-1b/7
39. E	Decision 33-7/4
40. E   Rule 24-2 Note
41. C	Decision 29/4
42. C	Decision 4-4a/16
43. D	Decision 28/6
44. C	Rules 21 and 25-1b
45. B	Decision 18-1/6
46. A	Decision 3-3/6
47. E	Rule 15-2
48. E	Decision 6-4/10
49. D	Decision 16-1a/11
50. B	Decision 28/3
-- 
"Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty!"

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From: c-mt@uglab1.math.utah.edu (Thomas Murphy)
Subject: Re: Bore-thru shaft replacement
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 16:01:57 GMT
Organization: University of Utah, Dept. of Math
Reply-To: c-mt@math.utah.edu

In article <204783@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, gomer@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle) writes:
|> 
|> Does anyone know if it's possible for golf club repair shops
|> to replace/change shafts on the bore-thru clubs such as the
|> Callaway and Mizuno woods??  It would seem to be more difficult
|> than with conventional shafts and heads.
|> 

It can be done with absolutely no problem unless you broke the shaft 
off right at the head, but this is always tricky.

-- 
Thomas Murphy           Product Review/Tech Editor        
c-mt@math.utah.edu      Computer Language and AI Expert
(801)581-3905           Miller Freeman Publishing
From: cookdl@stat.appstate.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Re: Backspin Out Of Sand
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:37:53 GMT
Organization: Appalachian State University

> 
> Anyway, I have a question:
> 
> How does one get BACKSPIN on a ball that is exploded out of  a  sand
> trap?  You can see the pros do it, but HOW?  My understanding of the
> basic sand trap explosion shot is the old "hit two inches behind the
> ball  and  let the sand push the ball out".  This means the clubface
> grooves never touch the ball to impart backspin.  What am I  missing
> here????
> 

Well I think the thing you are missing is that what you are doing is actually
displacing the sand under the ball onto the green as you said.  But for the
ball to fly out something has to touch the ball.  In this case it is the sand.
Scouping under the ball with the sand will put much more backspin on the ball
than I can on a fairway.  (notice I said I can, maybe not for the pros).
From: filipows@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Dennis J. Filipowski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Golf School ?
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:35:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpspkla.17290021
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.


   Has any one gone to or know anything about two golf schools I
   have thought about attending. They are  SEA in Sedona Az. and
   The Academy of Golf Dynamics in Austin Tx.
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Subject: skip
From: jwebb@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:29:00 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

I have a set of Titlest DTRs for sale.  They are the blade-type irons, and the
year they were bought was 1986.  The Woods are Persimmon, and there is a
Driver, three and four wood.  The irons range from 2-pw.  If anyone is
interested, please email me.  Thanks.-- 


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:	University Of Kansas		:	More alternatives.	      :
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: jordanbo@i88.isc.com (Jordan Boucher)
Subject: Re: the secret is out
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:08:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.123845.3952@rosevax.rosemount.com> billodo@cyclone (Bill O'Donnell) writes:
>I just read an ad in May's issue of Golf Magazine for Karsten 
>Solheim's latest offering in equipment: the PING ZING irons.
>They look a lot like the EYE-2's, but there was mention of greater
>feel.  Not much more information was given, so if anyone has
>details, please post.  

Ping sucks!  (excuse my French)

I can't think of a single individual who has damaged golf more than old
Karsten has.  What the hell does he think he is doing?  He made some clubs
that were illegal and then sued the USGA when they declared them so.

All this on behalf of the high-handicapper?

(Start Soap Box)
What does everyone out there think of hi-tech equipment (golf and tennis too)?

I'm a bit of a traditionalist, I guess, but it appears to be ruining the
game.  The object isn't to design balls and clubs so that you can make par.
The object is to practice and sharpen your skills, in order to shoot par.

To a certain extent, we need to keep some sort of competition between the
golf equipment manufacturers.  Luckily for all of us, the USGA has had some
specifications for balls and clubs in the book for a while now.

What does everyone think about allowing certain "hi-tech" stuff in the
amateur ranks, while not having it for the pro level (or USGA events)?

Look at baseball...  you can use aluminum bats all the way through college
levels, but it is wood only in the "big time".  Similar rules are easy to
implement in golf too.

Tennis has really been wrecked by the lack of this sort of rule.  Not that
they should stay with "woodies", but specifications on the racket head size
sound reasonable to me.  Even if the material is graphite.  Skill, in the
pure sense of the word, has all but gone out of tennis.

I see it coming for golf too.  Grooves in the club allow more spin, and the
penalty for driving in the rough is taken away.  Balls fly farther, so a
shot from the rough is not as difficult anyway (shorter distance).
(End Soap Box)

Ah well, I'm down off my box now.  Sorry about the ranting, but the mention
of Ping or Karsten Solheim sets me off.  Any other Ping bashers out there?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
From: CA.JOE@forsythe.stanford.edu (Joe Koepnick)
Subject: Re: Grip Size - rule of thumb?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:11:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.194159.5690@alw.nih.gov>,
foley@helix.nih.gov (Charles K. Foley) writes:
>Can anyone tell me if there are any guidelines for choosing grip size?
>I have larger hands than average (not huge, just larger than average),
>and I am purchasing new clubs so I want to get the correct grip.
>


Last theory I heard was if your grip is too small you hook, too large
and you slice. Too much release, not enough, respectively. Which
makes little sense if you understand what release really is. But I
believe there is a comfort and feel factor that must be considered.

General rule is that when you grip your club (and this assumes you
grip the club in the joints at the base of your fingers) that the tip of
your middle fingers should not press much into your palm or be
more than one finger width away. Adjust the grip size to be
somewhere between and see if you like it. It was a long process for
me.

Some touring pros that favor the left side theory build up the grip
end of the club more than the shaft end.

Best suggestion is to clean your grips often, regardless of size. And
experiment to find what is best for you. It can be a long and
expensive process. To save time and money don't change all the grips
on your clubs at one time. Do one and see if you like it. If you do,
then change the rest. Some pros vary grip size depending
on club length.
joe
From: bhoughto@hopi.intel.com (Blair P. Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Subject: Don't Suck Your Toes (Re: BARE FEET DETRIMENTAL TO GREENS?)
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:46:20 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp, Chandler, AZ

Many golf courses in AZ are watered by treated sewage.  The
danger is less from the sewage than from the chemical used
to treat it.  Any course that uses effluent water posts
signs saying so (it's a big political gain in the west, not
to use groundwater) and warning players not to lick their balls.

Courses that don't use effluent water, however, rarely make
any mention of chemicals they may use on the course.

				--Blair
				  "I've done it; and I'm
				   not ashamed to say so."
From: ian@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Ian Watson)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:37:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Slow play by the pros
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.