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From: jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Illini - crappy final four team
Summary: incredible talent
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:37:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T


>4 of those starters played in the NBA - 3 are still playing in the NBA 
>and I believe were 1st or high 2nd round picks (Nick Anderson, Kendall
>Gill, and Kenny Battle). Bardo is playing in the CBA currently.
>Anderson and Gill are averaging nearly 20 pts. a game in the NBA.

Oops I forgot Marcus Liberty - 4 starters in the NBA and 1 in the CBA.
The only mark against that team was size and free throw shooting - they
weren't very big.

Can you think of any other college teams with 4 starters that went on
to play in the NBA?
From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (Ryne Sandberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Michigan Fab 5
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:50:54 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

I'll make a prediction that the Fab-5 will not win the championship even
if they all stay for 4 years. I may be burned 3 times.
There are many examples of young teams performing well but could not repeat
later. See Michigan after 89 championship with only Glen Rice leaving, the
2 years after Arkansas went to the FF with all sophomores, and yes the mighty
Rebels in last year (even they are not exactly young).
I dont know if Michigan will have a good bench if recruits know that they have
to sit behind the Fab-5 for 2 or 3 years. Once you got the fame, bad things
happen--opponents will go up a notch on you, the players may relax and grow
in their heads, players are more difficult to coach, etc.
Anyway, it will be very interesting to watch the Fab-5 in the next 3 years.
From: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Its All Over ...
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:21:13 GMT
Reply-To: swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams)
Organization: Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center

:In article <1992Apr7.033843.13626@uceng.UC.EDU:, saji@snert.ece.uc.edu 
: Sandeep Aji) writes:

::    ........ The whole of 1st 1/2 all they talked about was "what
::    is wrong with Laettner". He might be a great player but he did
::                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
::    but he did nothing for them in the final-4. 
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Then why do other teams bother to double-team him?

Even if Laettner scores 0 point in any game, he still helps tremendously
with his rebounding and defense.  His free-throw shooting is legendary.
Furthermore, Laettner creates scoring opportunities (by opening up the
defense somewhere) for his teammates whenever he gets double-teamed.
After all, Duke is a five-man team, not "a superstar & 4-man team."
You can double-team or even triple-team Shaq O'Neal and beat LSU, but 
you can't double-team Laettner and beat Duke.

It is by no luck that every starter on the Duke team has been voted
the MVP of the game one time or another during the season.

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Steve Williams
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From: ae631@yfn.ysu.edu (David Moore)
Subject: Re: Pete Gillen to Villanova?
Reply-To: ae631@yfn.ysu.edu (David Moore)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 01:00:51 GMT


In a previous article, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) says:

>In article <1992Apr7.140251.19466@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, jfw1@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (james.f.whitehead) writes:
>> The local paper (Asbury Park Press, for you Springsteen fans)
>> carried a small item to the effect that Villanova and Pete Gillen had
>> met about Rollie's old job there.
>> 
>> Anybody know more?
>
>Gillen worked at 'Nova as an assistant coach under Rollie quite a
>few years back.  He certainly has all the credentials and has to be
>considered a top candidate for the job.
>
>Joe Dakes
>AT&T Microelectronics
>555 Union Boulevard
>Allentown, PA  18103
>alux5!jmd
>
He asked his name be withdrawn. 
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From: raines@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Bearcat's next year
Date: 6 Apr 92 12:37:53 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

  There is no joy in Mudville, the mighty Bearcats have struck out.
Congratulations to Michigan on their victory in the national semifinal
game. But, being a long time Cub fan, the halls resound with a heatry
"wait until next year".
  Seriously, the fans here at UC are ecstatic over the performance of UC this
year.  For a team that spent 13 years in obscurity, with a coach who couldn't
recruit (Ed Badger) and then a coach who couldn't coach (Tony Yates), 29-5 is
flat out outrageous.  Coach Huggins has done a tremendous job bringing the 
program back from obscurity: 1989-90 with 20 wins and an NIT bid, 1990-91 18
wins and an NIT bid,  and this year 29 wins and a final four.  Huggins gets
the most out of his talent.  This is the first year he has had more than five
legitimate division 1 players on the squad.  For his style of play, depth is
critical.  Things can only get better here.
   The Bearcats loose some important players to graduation:  Herb Jones,
Anthony Buford, and Jeff Scott.  Little used reserves Mike Reicheneker and
B.J. Ward (already graduated) also leave.  Returning players with significant
minutes include:  Nick Van Excel 6-1 G, Corie Blount 6-10 C, Terry Nelson
6-5 F, Erik Martin 6-5 F, A.D. Jackson 6-1 G, and Tarrance Gibson 6-3 G.
Players that were redshirted this year and who should contribute are:
Curtis Bostic 6-5 F a sophmore, and John Jacobs 6-7 F a freshman.  Also, the
Bearcats have LaZelle Durden 6-3 G, a prop48 freshman out of Toledo if he
makes the academic requirements this year.  He is expected to qualify.
Although we've not broken into the upper echelon in recruiting, Huggins is
finally able to bring in some freshmen players next year.  Incoming frosh
are: Keith Gregor 6-5 G-F from Cincinnati Lakota H.S., David Evans 6-2 G from
Joliet West H.S. Illinois, and  Darrick Ford 6-8 F from Suitland H.S. in
Lanham, Maryland.   One junior college player has also committed: Scott
Young 6-8 G from Brevard CC, Florida.   At least two others players are leaning 
to UC for next year: Joe Hooks 6-8 F from Trinty Valley Community College in
Texas, and Bryant Bowden 6-8 F from Canton McKinley H.S., Ohio.  Disclaimer:
all heights should be taken with a grain of salt.  They are from the local
newspaper.
   Reading this newsgroup, you would think that only the national champion 
has a good team or a good year.  It just ain't so!  This year, at least 15
teams were legitimate contenders for the championship.  In a one game and
out tourney, things are wide open.  Just ask the fans of Kansas, Arkansas,
or USC to name a few.  Hey, Deleware had a nice team and great year even if
they lost in the first round.
   UC is back.  We'll be in the top 25 with a legitimate shot at the
National Championship next year.  As long as Huggins stays on campus, UC
will win its share of basketball games.
  Thanks for the memories.
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From: Steve Creps <creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: IU/DUKE Officals
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:35:18 -0500

In article <1992Apr9.093306.2651@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Sid Kitchel" <kitchel@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> writes:
> It is just extremely ODD that IU's four top
>players fouled out when it was seldom the case this year for even one of
>IU's players to foul out.

   I think it is too.  I'd also like to note that Damon Bailey fouled out in
the "third quarter" (11:xx), and the other players fouled out _before_
the "endgame" (the last couple of minutes, when the team behind is doing
lots of fouling, trying to catch up).

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Steve Creps, Indiana University Hoosiers
1991 Copper Bowl champions
creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor)
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: 17 Apr 92 20:32:59 GMT

In <smsr2INNfc4@agate.berkeley.edu> cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (   ) writes:

>Actually, Gamble is the first one (among the IL and IA players mentioned)
>to appear in an NBA All-star game. BJ is the first one to contribute to a
>championship team.

When was Gamble ever in an NBA All-Star Game?  CBA maybe, but I don't
remember him in the NBA All-Star Game (though I could be wrong).
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: The Championship Triangle in N.C.
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:11:38 GMT
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

I wrote:
>>The point is that the Triangle is like a single city, probably smaller in
>>area than what is generally referred to as "Atlanta".

In article <1992Apr14.100354.14866@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
>Is this true? Durham is a hole w/ Duke's little idyllic island stuck smack
>in the middle. I always heard that Chapel Hill was a pretty little
>country town...I'm all confused. And hurt. Hurt and confused. Could
>Chapel Hill be a pretty little suburban sprawl? That doesn't sound right.

How about a pretty little *college* town with suburban sprawl?  The traffic
at the Hill is only getting worse, from what I can tell.  And I don't consider
Durham to be a "hole".  There are some not-so-nice areas and some really
charming areas, even off the Duke campus.

I didn't mean that all three cities are identical.  Each has its own
personality.  Chapel Hill has always been a college town, but there are more
and more folks living there who don't have direct ties to the University.
Durham was built by the tobacco industry, but now it's the City of Medicine.
Raleigh has the state government and the various museums and facilities that
go along with that.  But a big city has different communities or neighborhoods
with different qualities, too.
From: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Wolfpack Fans
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:08:30 GMT
Reply-To: delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL EMERY LAROCQUE)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Project EOS - North Carolina State University



  I admit sometimes I go crazy over events in the sporting world, but I
have never seen some of the most ludicrous postings about CMU, of all
things??  Now, I understand that the Ravenous Bugblatter Poster of N.C. State
has a right to post anti-Duke, anti-whatever stuff, but don't pick on
Carnagie Mellon! Let's not cudgel schools with weak basketball programs
until you realize that N.C. State isn't exactly a power school in basketball
this year! My advice is- stick to NCSU football until we can talk about
our basketball team!


delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu


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From: rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke-IU--the problem with basketball
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:23:35 GMT
Organization: Duke University Computer Science Dept.; Durham, N.C.

In article <44173@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hartigse@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Hartig) writes:
<Just my thoughts on the officiating of the IU/Duke game.
<Many of you know that I am a huge IU fan and probably expect
<me to bash the refs and blame the game on their officiating.
<The refereeing was HORRIBLE!!  However, I don`t think it 
<really favored either team.  It was kind of appropriate that
<not more than 20 seconds into the game they called a charge
<on Hill (?).  It was a pretty shitty call.  But I have to 
<agree with the CBS announcers on the fact that they called
<that a charge all game.  The second half was even worse than
<the first.  At one point, Indiana had seven fouls called on ^
<them and Duke only one.  No matter how clean a team is playing,
<it should never be that uneven.  
<

Of course, at one point in the first half, there had been 8 fouls called
on Duke and only 2 on Indiana, but that seems to always be left out in
all the claims that the refs were biased.

I got to figuring, if you take the first 14 minutes or so of Duke's game
with Michigan at Ann Arbor, and the last six minutes or so of the championship
game, Duke outscored Michigan 65-31 (42-25 in Ann Arbor, 23-6 in
Minneapolis).


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 Addresses: CSNET: rws@duke  UUCP: decvax!duke!rws  INTERNET: rws@cs.duke.edu

The next Duke Invitational,  1993 in New Orleans.
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Chris Mills - backdoor man
Keywords: the men don't know....
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:39:02 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


 UofA forward Chris Mills was cited on misdemeanor criminal damage charges in a
domestic violence incident police reports say. Mills, 21 and a junior, was 
ordered to appear in Pima County justice court on April 17. He told police
he threw a rock through the windshield of a pickup truck during a fight early
Saturday outside a house. Mills was cited and released.

 The owver of the truck, Joseph Gomez, 22, was booked and released from Pima
county jail on two misdemeanor charges of assault and one misdemeanor
count each of trespassing and criminal damage.

 Mills told police he was asleep in the house of an unidentified woman when
her former boyfriend crashed through the door and hit her. The man then
attacked Mills, and the pair continued to fight in the living room and
outside the house. Mills told deputies that he later tried to drive away in
his car but the man jumped on the hood, dented the car and scratched its paint.
Damage was estimated at more than $2000.

 Mills said he left the home and telephoned police before he returned and again
was confronted by the man. During the second confrontation, Mills told
deputies he threw a rock through the windshield of the man's pickup.

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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: IU's comeback.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:44:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.145432.2918@meaddata.com> bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones) writes:
>
>Is the Big 10 going to be the Big 2 next year or what?  IU loses only
>Anderson and Meeks, and I think we've heard enough about how great the
>Fab 5 are.


	That's hard to say.  I think the league will be LOADED next year.
	Ohio State loses the most people, but with the newcomers Ayers
	will have, and if Jackson stays, OSU will be very, very tough.
	Teams like Michigan State and Iowa should be as competitive,
	while Illinois and Purdue should improve markedly with the new
	people coming in.  Minnesota should be better, too.  Northwestern
	may have everyone back, and Wisconsin's new coach will have the
	use of the good talent Yoder recently recruited.  So, though IU
	and Michigan will be the favorites, the league will be extremely
	good next year...
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: any info on Duke recruits for next year?
Keywords: Any info on duke recruits for next year?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:10:42 GMT

mpg8842@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Madhav  Parthasarathy) writes:

> Hi,

>   Guess the subject says it all.  Looks like Duke'll have
>a great starting five, but not much depth at all next year
>especially at the forward and center positions.  by the way,
>is Chris Collins an off-guard?  And who's Toni Moore (sp?).
>Do they have (or trying to get) any other recruits?

	In high school, Chris Collins was a big-time scorer, averaging well
	over 30ppg, on his way to Illinois Mr. Basketball award.  He's also
	a McDonald's All-American.

	However, Collins is a decent passer, and with Hurley a senior next
	year, I would suspect the Duke coaching staff would have Collins
	train under Hurley as the point guard of the future.

	Jazzy J
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From: klund@chipotle.gac.edu (Kevin T Lund)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: WOLVERINE'S can PLAY the game!
Keywords: Oh PLEASE!
Date: 9 Apr 92 03:17:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Apr8.211742.719

In article <1992Apr7.215132.21652@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  writes:
> Michigan will always be a shit talking team in all sports!!!!!
> You guys always lose the big ones, just like UVa and we do it
> without talking shit and our players keep composure ( not
> crying on the sidelines like that Webber punk ) The Fab 5
> is too cocky for thier own good, and may not ever win a
> championship.  The question is can they stay is school that
> long, the aren't exactly Phi Beta Kappa candidates!

Wow, this is incredible, what a piece of literary genius.  This is a  
perfect example of how to write a quality article, namely, throw out any  
accusations that come to mind without worrying about their validity.

You did get two things right though, 1) it is possible that the Fab 5  
never will win a championship, and 2) it is a question wether or not they  
will stay in school that long.  Of course, your reasoning is a little  
skewed.

Oh, by the way, have you ever played in a championship game that your team  
lost to end the season?  Do you know what it feels like?  If Michigan had  
won, you can bet that there would have been crying Duke players.

Well, I just had to respond to this because I detest seeing such  
putrescence on my computer screen.

Kevin
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From: abreen@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alex Breen)
Subject: Re: 1992 Illini thoughts.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:23:02 GMT

gunner1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Jayant Rajgopal) writes:

>In article <si6g0INNrse@agate.berkeley.edu> cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (   ) writes:
>>>"Don't be ridiculous.  You can't take something that a person never had in
>>>the first place !  The simple fact is that Iowa has hardly ever had talent
>>>on par with the Illini, yet they've been far far more consistent."
>>
>>The Hawkeye fan that wrote this should really do his homework first.
>>IN the late 70's and early 80's, Iowa had better recruitments from Chicago
>>than Illinois. Illinois Mr. BB like Michael Payne who went to IA would not
>>even come to Champaign for a visit. Remember the twin towers and Payne and
>>Stokes that flopped big in their tenure. The much highly-touted team of 87

>Nonsense.  I was at Iowa at that time, and the only great recruits that

>Davis DID do reasonably well with the talent he inherited from Raveling. One
>appearance in the regional finals, and another in the last 16 aren't anything
>to sneeze at.  Tell me about Illinois record other than that one FF appearance.
>Iowa's losses in the last two tournaments have been to Duke - the eventual
>champion. Their previous loss was to UNLV.  Not exactly Austin Peay if you
>know what I mean...

     Wait, hold on here.  I know this was mentioned a few weeks ago, but 
some people seem to have a short memory.  Look at Iowa's 87 team and compare
the number of people played in the NBA and CBA to the number of people from
Illinois's 89 team who have played professionally.  You with find many more
from Iowa.  I guess Iowa gets no talent :)

     Another point.  For over a year people keep saying that Lou Henson can
only succeed with many talented players.  Look at the 84-85 team.  This team
made it to the regional finals were I believe they lost to Kentucky.  This
was a team with players like Bruce Douglas, Efrem Winters, Dougie Altenburger.
You know, all those well-known NBA players/
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From: dfk@voyager.larc.nasa.gov (D. F. Keller)
Subject: Re: WAS LAETTNER EVEN IN THE LAST 17 MINUTES LAST NIGHT???
Organization: NASA B-BALL NUTS
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 03:53:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr5.184434.7210@ncsu.edu>, bolton-b@sparc.ncsu.edu (Bennie) writes:
> 
> I heard you missed me, I'm back! :)
> 
> Watching the Indiana-Duke game last night hopefully made all of us realize
> just how overrated Christian "Antichrist" Laettner is.  Although he 
> outplayed himself against Kentucky, he didn't even take a shot during
> the last seventeen minutes against Indiana!  His NBA stock just went down,
> down, down...  as for Player of the Year?  What a joke!!!  He was thoroughly
> outplayed by the Indiana players on the board, and in terms of scoring.
> In spite of being charged with shitty fouls all game, Indiana still came back
> from a 9 point deficit, and had a chance to tie the game with seconds on the
> clock--twice!  HURLey had it stolen, then dribbled on the line, during the
> crucial last 30 seconds.  So much for playing well under pressure.  Well,
> we'll see Monday who rules when Michigan hands Duke the beating they so
> deserve.
> 
Well, I don't know if agree with all you wrote. Well...OK most of it. One
thing is for sure. Laettner either got shut down or wore out by IU's defense
because he played a pitiful and uninspiring second half. He spent most of the
time walking up and down the court while Hurley was working his ass off to 
stave off disaster. The only part of your posting I really disagree with is
who is going to win Monday night. I will be going for MU but feel that Duke's
defense and patience and tendency for MU's freshman to get in foul trouble 
will do in Michigan. Hope not!
> 
> 
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From: neierka@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Kent A. Neier)
Subject: Cawood (was) Re: Packer goofs up (about Eric Riley)
Keywords: oops
Reply-To: neierka@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Kent A. Neier)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 06:59:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.82332.4035@ms.uky.edu> morgan@ms.uky.edu (Wes  
Morgan) writes:
> In article <1992Apr9.232553.4946@cs.rose-hulman.edu>  
neierka@cs.rose-hulman.edu writes:
> Haywood Jefferies????!!

Oops--Mea Culpa.  I guess I've been looking forward to the NFL season
just a little too much.  

> 
> I hate to break it to you guys, but it's *Cawood Ledford*  
<genuflection>.
> 
> I'll let this one go IF you bow toward Lexington and sing the Kentucky  
fight
> song at the top of your lungs in your local Student  
Center/Quad/Commons/what-
> ever you Rose-Hulman folks have up there........8)

Man, did _I_ get some strange looks.  :-)

> 
> Wes

Kent
From: lazarea@mercury.ncat.edu (Andy Lazare)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: laettner in trouble?
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:48:12 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.basketball.college
Organization: North Carolina A&T State University

just read in the winston-salem paper that laettner might be in trouble.
apparently he signed a contract with the magazine GQ to write his diary.
he made this contract during the season. but i think he wasn't suppose
to write it till after the season. not sure though.

andy

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