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From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Minimoog:  No PWM???
Summary: Killer systems....?
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:33:56 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

In article <1992Apr16.230936.8773@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock) writes:
>But now I'm wondering about the K2000.  If it's as awesome an analog synth
>as John3 claims (gotta go play with one one of these days, dammit), than maybe
>it's preferable, since you get all those other capabilities as well?  Then
>again, the OB will have knobs and sliders (right?).

The issue with the OBMX is authenticity, and a K2000 can't provide that no
matter HOW good it sounds. Interesting bit of hairsplitting, there. And YES,
the OBMX will have knobs knobs knobs... f'godsakes, man, the damn thing is
going to be a cardcage that's EIGHT RACK SPACES HIGH! That's bigger than a
MAckie with the pod folded, and almost as big as a 1622. THINK about that.

>OK, how about this for a system:
>
>	1 Wavestation
>	1 OB-MX
>	1 K2000
>	1 Wave
>	1 FM thingie, because it *is* useful sometimes

What, no Xpander? Heathen.

>That oughtta do it....

For $13,000, it had BETTER. Yeesh!

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From: five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (skinny puppy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Raise yours hands if ...
Date: 14 Apr 92 10:06:30 GMT
Organization: system 6626 BBS, Winnipeg MB

Everybody that wants a WAVE, raise your hand.       w
                                                    |
                                                   /
 
           :)
 
Five

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: shepard@athena.cs.uga.edu (William Erik Shepard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Yet Another Request for Korg DSS-1 Information
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:15:48 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Hi there all.  I was wondering if any of you Korg DSS-1 owners had some
opinions that you would care to share with me regarding the Korg DSS-1.  I have
an opportunity to get one - which would be an upgrade from my current Akai
X7000.  I wish that I could afford more of an upgrade - but as an undergrad -
I just don't see it happening.  Anyway, I'm looking specifically for
subjective opinions.  I do have three specific questions, though.  

#1) Can it accept sample dumps (ie can I transfer my library from the Akai
    X7000?)

#2) Does it have an amplitude LFO (I had heard that it only had filter and
    oscillator LFO's)?

#3) How useful is the joystick (ie can modulation and pitch bend be 
    simultaneously used)?

Any responses would be appreciated. . . you can respond to the net or reply
via email.  The address is below.


W. Erik Shepard                            
Mathematics                           
UGA (Athens, GA)                        
shepard@athena.cs.uga.edu
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Give the D-50 a chance? (Re: Kawai Spectra: Appraisal?)
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:04:56 GMT
Organization: Friends of the Salter Duck
In-reply-to: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu's message of 13 Apr 92 16:12:45 GMT

In article <204838@unix.cis.pitt.edu> metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay) writes:

   There are a bazillion entry-level synths out there now that are probably 
   affordable by your standards, if you're willing to buy used gear from a 
   reputable dealer. Among the devices that probably weigh in at or near the
   Spectra in used price (see the listing that gets posted here every month)
   are the Roland baby-D's (D-5, D-10), the Kawai K-1 and K-1II, and probably
   a number of others I can't think of right now....

May I just put in a quick plug for the D-50 with PG-1000 programmer? I'm sure
that'll come in at around the $400 mark; PG-1000's are going for $50 from
West L.A. Music. The D-50/D-550 can do some amazing things; I bought my first
D-50 five years ago and I'm still picking up new tricks, and adding the
programming interface of the PG-1000 has really boosted my productivity with
the machine. For example: did you know that certain combinations of PWM,
TVF and chorusing cause the voices to produce Eventide-style harmoniser effects
in the envelope decays? I'm trying to isolate this now, but it's a wonderful
effect and one I probably wouldn't have found had I not been hacking it with
the PG-1000.

I had another comment to make here, regarding the Wavestation, K-2000
and so on. The strength of a synth is not merely the features it
offers, but the way those features interact and how the instrument
handles as you start to push at the operational limits. I'm sure the
harmonising effect I'm getting on my D-550 is quantising noise in the
PWM and filter algorithms, thrown into the chorus.

Nick.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 11:49:33 PDT
From:         more dark than shark <DUNN@INTELLICORP.COM>
Subject:      macs & bandwidth & cupertino & disneyland?
Comments: To: synth-l%auvm.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu

I could barely reserve comment when JROSSI flamed on
the mac's bandwidth. but I did.

Chuckles were emitted when he stumbled over MultiFinder's
dancing menu hassle. this has bitten a number of new mac
users over the years. not worth a post.

I bit my (virtual) lip when he got heated about the
mac not performing window or mouse warp when new items were
added to a folder. never warp your users! harrumph.

but now, JROSSI, at a .mil site you should have maps.
cupertino is about 900 miles away from LA LA land. this
distance is larger than some states. your hyperbole is
getting swollen and pustulant. there are surgical procedures
for this.

casey

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From: fly@acsu.buffalo.edu (Paul D. Fly)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Usenet Tape depression sets in.
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:11:45 GMT
Organization: UB

That's funny.  I have a hypothesis about musicians and software engineers
too.  We musicians spend our entire day thinking about and in non-linear,
'right-side-of-the-brain' ways, using intuitition and empathy more than logic,
and dealing with life in a very subjective, emotional way.  In short,
musicians are artsy-fartsy.  And we want desperately to get away from the
uncertaincies to our rational side.  But it isn't easy.  And we approach
it as an artistic problem.  What state of mind is needed to fully
empathize with that sequencer?  Our instinctual reaction is to throw the
hardware out and play second-hand out of tune pianos.  But that just
-- 
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fly@acsu.buffalo.edu          |  but less interesting than looking."
v092pxca@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu |    --Goethe
From: jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: re Oh, yea, about ADAT
Date: 17 Apr 92 13:12:12 GMT
Organization: I would rather be windsurfing.
In-reply-to: Webster.henr801c@XEROX.COM's message of 16 Apr 92 15:37:32 GMT


> but remember, there is no sound degradation hit for bouncing

This is not absolutely true unless you are using a digital mixer.
Otherwise, you still go through a D-to-A, mixer circuitry, A-to-D,
which will have some degradation -- though it will be orders of
magnitude less than that inherent in analog tape.

Rumor has it that alesis is planning to announce a digital mixer Real
Soon Now.  The world of home recording is going to be a very different
place in a couple of years.

          digital 8 track    $4000
          digital mixer      $2000
          digital synth      $1500
          digital effects    $1000
          digital drum mach. $1000
          digital master     $ 500
                          ----------
                            $10000

(prices are more or less guesses, but you get the drift.)  My guess
is that small recording studios will be as obsolete as blacksmiths
before long.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Subject: Macs, John 3 as a heat source (was Re: DidINukeMy Performer in Install?)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 23:08:46 GMT


In article <NICK.92Apr14143428@campay.ed.ac.uk>, nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell) writes...
>(iii) hit the zoom-box: it'll zoom the window to fit all the icons.

Theory: He doesn't know about the zoom box. He didn't read the documentation. 
He hasn't noticed that this fact (didn't have to RTFM) is important and
valuable.  That, and with his attitude, no one is ever going to tell him about
the command-option-shift stuff.

Now that I have flamed John, I have to admit that there is no proper
intelligent person's paradigmatic (and historical) introduction to the
Macintosh software.  If you don't know what things are and what they are
supposed to mean, life is tough and you are at the secretary with an opaque
word-processing machine level.

I was lucky.  I learned it off of the human interface guidelines for
programmers.  In 84/85.  That's still a decent resource, and it is in Inside
Macintosh, somewhere.

Eirikur Hallgrimsson   | "Hey, what *is* that thing?  It looks like a telephone
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |  switchboard trying to mate with a Hammond organ!"
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From: russell@castor.cs.uga.edu (RUSSELL JOHNSON)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Info needed on Casio CZ-1
Keywords: Casio, synth
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:10:22 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Could anyone that has familiarity with the CZ-1 send me opinions of the 
unit, as well as some specs and street prices?  Much obliged...
	
	
	|  All that exists is matter; All that moves is motion  |
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From: mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: ... Let's get USENET Recording '92 rolling ...
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:28:35 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA

In rec.music.synth, WSCOTT@WOOSTER.BITNET writes:

> Great, I second your nomination of ;yourself to do this. Why not accelerate
> the timetable, though.  I'll bet most people have music to send in right
> away.

NOT.

I think the idea of the USENET tape is gaining momentum.  Accelerating the
schedule will just prevent some people who otherwise would have particpated
from doing so.  Of course, if there were two 90 minute tapes last year, I
would expect even more response this year, so maybe this would be a "fairer"
way of limiting contributions than some sort of "auditioning" process.

Thanks for volunteering to do this, Craig.  I think you'll do a great job.
Are there groundrules for submission (ie, length, copyright, etc)?

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Marc Sabatella      "Blondes and jazz seldom go together" - Cmdr. William Riker
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 11:59:09 PDT
From:         more dark than shark <DUNN@INTELLICORP.COM>
Subject:      Re: ProCussion or D4?
Comments: To: synth-l%auvm.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu

I think there has been a rev in the D4;
 when they first came out I perused the manual to
 try and get a grip on the trigger reqs.

when I finally got around to purchasing
 one there was a large addendum to the manual
 all about triggering. I suspect that more
 had changed.

casey

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From: ar_mill@pavo.concordia.ca (MILLEN, ANDREW R.)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Problems!!!!!
Summary: Translation!
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:42:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Okay, okay, as much as I enjoyed this poor sucker's original post,
I'll offer to translate any answers to his problem, which I've translated
(I'll even E-mail him so as not to waste any further bandwidth)

>u1471@jsp.umontreal.ca  (Leclerc Marco) writes:
>J'ai une question:                         [ "I have a question:"        ]
>	Lorsque j'essaie d'utiliser IRC     [ "When I try using IRC "     ]
>       sur un Apollo, je recois le         [ "on an Apollo, I get the"   ]
>message suivant:                           [ "following message:"        ]
>	"No termcap found for Apollo"       [      < message >            ]
>ou quelque chose du genre.                 [ "or something of the kind." ]
>
>Qu'est-ce que ca veut dire?????            [ " what does that mean?????" ]

IMNSHO (In My Not-So Humble Opinion), he should take a few English lessons,
then read his manual...

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: rane+@CS.CMU.EDU (Aaron Hughes)
Subject: Re: Prophet 5 and Emax II Q's
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 21:58:19 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

About the Emax - I have an original (which is very similar).
No - the machine doesn't have any ROM's to speak of - 
each sample disk that you have also has a copy of the operating
system on it, so unless you have a hard drive attched to the thing
you need to have a disk in the drive (it doesn't matter which one)
as long as they all have the same os rev on them you're fine.
It sounds much more klunky than it is. You don't have to keep
reinserting a certain master disk (I think that was your orig
question). The Emax is an excellent sampler, moreso for the Emax II
it is very easy to use, and pretty much bug free (I haven't hit any
bugs since I bought my Emax SE about 3 years ago). I don't think
you can go wrong with the Emax II, infact, I'm trying to sell my SE so
I can pick up a II. It really is pretty amazing if you can find someone
to *really* demo it for you.

Hope this helps,

Aaron

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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: rwk@crl.dec.com (Bob Kerns)
Subject: Re: Yamaha TX81Z problem - HELP
Organization: Cambridge Research Lab, Digital Equipment Corp.
	<1992Apr10.093010.11674@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 21:27:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.093010.11674@en.ecn.purdue.edu> davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison) writes:

   From: davisonj@en.ecn.purdue.edu (John M Davison)
   Date: 10 Apr 92 09:30:10 GMT
   In article <1992Apr9.055656.5696@sequent.com> cliffw@sequent.com (Cliff White) writes:
   >my Yamaha TX81Z is emitting a *mechanical* hum..

	   So does mine.

   >What does this mean?

	   It means that the coils in the power supply transformer are slightly
   loose, and are producing microphonics.

A quibble, but this isn't what "microphonics" means.
If anything, this would be "speakerphonics", since
it produces sound from electricity, and not the reverse.

Microphonics was the tendency of certain vacuum tubes in
certain circuits to convert mechanical vibration into
electrical output.  This happened through the effect of
the vibration moving the grid or other structures in
the tube, and modulating the operating characterstics
of the tube.

Fortunately, microphonics are almost unheard of in this
semiconductor age.
Xref: sparky rec.music.synth:7999 misc.forsale:13963
From: matchick@bgsu.edu (Brian Matchick)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth,misc.forsale
Subject: VFX-SD  FOR SALE!!!
Date: 14 Apr 92 19:25:21 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.


	I'm selling this for a friend.

VFX-SD with lots of souns, a nice case and stand.  This machine
used to be in my band so I know it hasn't had any major problems and 
has been taken care of.  It also hasn't been used much.  My friend would like
$1700 OBO.  Send all mail to me.

Brian Matchick matchick@andy.bgsuvax.edu
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: midi under windows 3.
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:21:49 GMT
	<199214.823.16439@dosgate> <1992Apr15.164711.6161@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
Organization: Friends of the Salter Duck
In-reply-to: aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 15 Apr 92 16:47:11 GMT


   An Observation: IMHO, I really don't think you care whether
   Windows is a good environment. You would just like to see it
   fail. This mentality is so prevelant - ie Windows Bashing, and
   I just don't understand why. How does Windows threaten your
   free choice to use what every system you want? Why bash it?

One reason I might want to see it fail is that independent software vendors
put time and effort into Windows products rather than the current
products and services that I'm using and have invested time, money and
effort into. What if, say, the vendors of your current packages and
environment decided to discontinue support and port all their stuff to
some new machine?

I also have aesthetic objections to Windows - it brings substandard
product in front of a large number of people and retards the state of the
art. MS-DOS has done this already.

Nick.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: chucksi@stc.comm.mot.com (DX504 Chuck Siu)
Subject: Re: CD RECORDER - Cheap!, Well.....
Organization: none
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 19:43:49 GMT


>How much *does* it cost to do a CD demo vs. a tape? 

	Well, let's see. Discmakers and Digital House (New York) will do initial
CD master plate and demo (1) CD, but the cost is $350. For about $500 more (not
sure here) they'll do a run of 500...shows you up front vs. production run type stuff.


>what is the difference between a casette demo vs. a DAT demo?  Does anybody
>even take DAT submissions?  Just curious.

  	My experience with the A&R's is, DAT is now the preferred submission due 
to the fact that it is the preferred mastering medium for the pro, and has 
become "pretty reasonable" for the semi-pro home studios (DA-30 and SV3700 both
for well under $1500 on the streets, consumer decks for about half of that...Yes
you CAN use a consumer deck for a DAT submission from your analog multitrack!)
The companies do recognize the fact that recordable CD's are a little out of range
still.....hence I tend to doubt whoever said they are a preferred submission media...
Nice, but too expensive still...

The Chuckster

	
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From: metlay@minerva.phyast.pitt.edu (metlay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Raise yours hands if ...
Summary: The Wave Team (so to speak)
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:11:26 GMT
Organization: Atomic City

In article <1992Apr15.220512.13019@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson) writes:
>Maybe Waldorf would cut us a special deal, perhaps using a U.S. distributor as
>the broker.  We are talking about NO sales cost here, and cost of sales means
>something to these people.  And Waldorf could use this in their ads.

Well, count ME in.

But I don't think Waldorf would run an ad saying that they shipped a ton of
them to a group of people who put together a bulk order because that was
the only way they could afford the damn things.

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From: wesley@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Wesley Konrad)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: LP Stereo
Date: 11 Apr 92 05:37:09 GMT
Organization: The Inquiring Mind  1 204 488-1607

snewman@ccu.umanitoba.ca (S. Newman) writes:

> In <1992Apr9.105745.19989@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> davet@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Dave 
> 
> >In article <RWK.92Apr8212350@taunton.crl.dec.com> rwk@crl.dec.com (Bob Kerns
> >>In article <D88-JWA.92Apr8110325@hemul.nada.kth.se> d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.
> >>
> >>   From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte)
> >>   Date: 8 Apr 92 10:03:25 GMT
> >>   .cs.uiuc.edu> cs318a62@ibmb2.cs.uiuc.edu (Philip M Scopes) writes:
> >>      >I don't know if this question is totally appropriate but, 
> >>      >Where do you get two tracks on an LP?  Do they really do stereo?


Just to avoid confusion, It isn't Philip M Scopes who asked the question, 
it was me.


> And about time!!  I can't believe the level of confusion on this
> thread -- I mean all us teenagers understood this just fine when
> it was invented back in the 50's.  :-) :-) 
> 
> Then again I haven't the slightest idea how to hitch a horse to a
> wagon (or do you hitch the wagon to the horse?)  Ah well, time
> marches on.

I wasn't a teenager in the 50's.  I wasn't even a twinkle in my dads eye, 
OK?????.    On the other hand, I do no how to hitch up a wagon.

wesley

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From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Gear Lust
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:44:29 GMT
	<1992Apr12.134427.17854@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
	<campo.702850218@calspan.com> <1992A
	<1992Apr13.131713.24058@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
Organization: Friends of the Salter Duck
In-reply-to: aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 13 Apr 92 13:17:13 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.131713.24058@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller) writes:

   My point was that many users think that the lastest piece of gear
   will solve their 'musical' deficiancies. Sounding better? Well
   yes, my Sample playback sounds a lot better then the next guys
   Soundblaster. Sounding better, IMHO, is not enough.

Just to play devil's advocate here; better-quality sounds won't
improve my music (or yours), but a better *musical instrument*, which
allows me to use new techniques and construct new sounds and music in
new ways, or makes it easier for me to do so, has improved my music in
numerous instances.  The Wavestation really expanded my horizons in
terms of what I could do for my contemporary dance projects with the
wave sequencer and the vocoders, and the PG-1000 programmer has
expanded the horizons of what it's possible to come up with quickly on
my D-550 (which I still regard as probably the best synthesiser Roland
ever made, just so long as you ignore the PCM sample sh*t).

Nick.
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