HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Are we an experiment ?
Keywords: spiritual growth
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:53:54 GMT
Reply-To: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293)
Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, Harrow, UK

Harri Personen writes about two newspaper reports of UFO sightings
from Finland. I have a number of questions.

1. Does anybody know the dates of the incidents (?Harri)

2. Mention is made that at least one of the incidents is being
   investigated by 'UFO experts'. Any idea who these experts
   are? Are the members of a UFO organisation, if so which?

3. Has there been any follow-up reports, conclusions to the investigation
   etc.

Steve
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From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Kissinger spills the beans?
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:04:19 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	1) As far as the New World Order is concered, the "only good
	alien is a bad alien." Inother words, UFO coverup and alien/US
	agreements (as well as ET visitation, good/bad/indifferent)
	will be portrayed in a light of emergency in order to siezed
	power and control the masses, possibly as a re-election ploy.

... there are some difficulties with this thesis:

   * A political ploy like this is just as likely to not work as to
work.  That is, it may well backfire, especially since such a
stratigem involves revealing that the government had been lying all
this time about such things.  Talk about anti-Washington sentiment!

  * It is easy to presume that "emergencies favor the incumbent", but
this ignores events in other US crises - notably the US Civil War --
Lincoln was only saved by the fortuitous collapse of Southern
resistance at Atlanta, or surely McClellan would have beat him.  (The
1968 election was another; LBJ was forced to give up the election --
and if you think the people demonstrating were more than a tiny
minority of voters, you're wrong.)

  * It presumes that other presidents under fire (notably Carter, who
was the last incumbent to be in serious danger of losing) would NOT
have "played the alien card", an assertion that is on shaky at best.
(I know this flies in the face of the "Democrat" == "good guy", but so
be it.)  Of course, depending on whose 'history' you go by, the best
candidate of all for this sort of thing was Richard Nixon -- he, of
all, had the most pressing need for a handy 'emergency'.


	2) That the US is highly involved in creating the future by
	selectivley planting in the masses mind the "definition of
	reality" so that they do not come to realized that reality is
	individule, unique, and a mater of conciousness. By controling
	the masses perception of reality, you can create the future,
	and you can rule the world.
	  
... the word, of course, is "advertising".  Politically-motivated
advertising (sometimes called "propoganda", sometimes called
"realism", sometimes called "truth") is not exactly a new thing.
Every political entity past and present has tried to alter its
constituents' view of reality in some way.  (For instance, after the US
Civil War, Southern Democrats had their view of reality --
particularly concerning the enfranchisement of blacks -- radically
altered.)

   In some sense every act of communication alters the recipients' view
of reality.  

Charles
From: cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Where can you get a good regressionist these days?
Date: 11 Sep 1992 19:26:00 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Reply-To: stepiend@rcwcl1.dnet.bp.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Does anyone know how one might go about trying to track down a good hypnotic 
regressionist in one's area?  I have a friend that recently experienced a 
classic case of missing time, and we'd like to investigate it.  I am in the 
Cleveland area.

If no one specializes in abduction regressions here, how would one go about 
looking for a "standard" hypnotist who might be able to do the job?  What kind 
of credentials should a reputable hypnotist have?

Any suggestions are much appreciated.

David
From: cee1@ra.msstate.edu (Charles Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Sightings show: Big Bang Theory?
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:27:50 GMT
Organization: Mississippi State University

Yeah.. maybe not angels... but demons

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From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Tesla: Genius and Fruitcake All In One
Date: 5 Sep 92 22:57:44 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
	Isn't it just as likely that Tesla was the real genius and
	people like Edison merely profitted from the labors of
	others??

... now, lets be fair.  Edison was a different form of inventor.  He
is one of the earliest of the inventors to operate in what we now call
an industrial setting.  That is, Edison made a business of inventing,
and made it pay.  (If that somehow belittles him in your eyes, whereas
Tesla is "purer", well...)  

   Edison was able to amass the resources (people, money, expertise --
which, for a time, included Tesla himself) to be able to do things
that others, acting alone, could not.  (The search for a useful
filament for the electric light, for instance, took several thousand
tries (exact number not to hand), and the final solution was an
industrial one -- coiling tungsten is not easy.)  

   Although some Tesla partisans like to demonize Edison, it seems
that Tesla himself did not, calling Edison "this wonderful man, who
had had no theoretical training at all, no advantages, who did all
himself, getting great results by virtue of his industry and
application" in 1917, even though they had parted company 33 years
earlier under less that friendly circumstances (and dueled over AC vs.
DC power after that.)

Charles

PS Source: Cheney's "Tesla".
From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.fidonet.org (Andre Eichner)
Sender: postmaster@p2.f41.n2403.z2.fidonet.org
From: curmi@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Jamie Paul CURMI)
Subject: Grey jokes
Summary: Grey Jokes
Keywords: greys, jokes, broccoli
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 00:42:34 GMT


Q. What is the difference between Greys and Broccoli?

A. Greys taste better.




(Don't blame me...a friend told me it on the weekend)

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From: dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: CATS FROM OUTER SPACE!
Date: 11 Sep 92 03:02:49 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <1992Sep9.213019.10680@ncmicro.lonestar.org>, ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin) writes:
> In article <1992Sep8.124726.1@vax1.umkc.edu> dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
> }In article <1992Sep8.010040.26984@sdf.lonestar.org>, bryce@sdf.lonestar.org (Bryce Hamm) writes:
> }> Recently i viewed a walt disney movie called THE CAT FROM OUTER SPACE.
> }> I heard from a friend that this was a TRUE story, found out about by
> }> walt disney from sources, so maybe next time you see a cat, it might
> }> be an alien visitor.. hmmmm... meow
> }> 
> }GET REAL...NEXT YOU'LL BE SAYING THAT THE LITTLE AMEBOID SCUM(OR WHATEVER THEY
> }ARE) ON OUR SKIN ARE ACTUALLY ALIEN VISITOR.
> 
> Oh, don't be absurd...of course they're not aliens...they do, however, work for the
> aliens.  Oh, and they don't appreciate the Scum appelation...
> 
> }DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'M 
> }PERFECTLY WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THAT THE CUTE, FURRY DECESDENTS OF THE GREAT
> }CATS(IF YOU BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION) ARE ACTUALLY OUR WORST ENEMY JUST WAITING
> }FOR THE RIGHT MOMENT TO SUCK OUR BREATH OUT WHEN WE'RE ASLEEP AND CONQUER THE
> }WORLD.<ACK...ACK...COUGH...(SORRY...HAIRBALL)>
> 
> The cats are not your enemies...They are our friends.  They are, of course,
> working to take over the planet, but it is for our own good!  
> 
> It's them damned squirrels that are our enemies!  But you'll learn, sooner
> or later.
> 
> }THE ONLY SOURCE THAT WALT DISNEY WOULD HAVE IS HIS IMGINATION(WHICH IS NOT
> }A BAD SOURCE--BUT IT IS INVALID HERE).  AND ANOTHER THING...DIDN'T THAT CAT
> }IN THE MOVIE WEAR SOMETHING(A NECKLACE--IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE I SEEN THE
> }MOVIE)ANYWAY HOW MANY CATS DO YOU SEE THAT WEAR NECKLACES OR WHATEVER??!!
> 
> Well, they wouldn't wear them while YOU are watching...you obviously aren't
> ready for them yet.

You remind of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy...You know the part which said
the mice were actually doing a experiment on us...

Anyway this raises an interesting question is this news group dedicated to the
real question of wheter intelligent life exist off of the planet or is this
just a science fiction fan club wanting a place to write their ideas and
stories??!!

> 
> 
> Are you sure you aren't working for the Squirrels?

>
I work for a Mr. Kevin Harris.                      
   
> 
> Lance
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From: dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Where can you get a good regressionist these days?
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:43:18 GMT
Reply-To: dfs30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <18qrs8INNah3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> stepiend@rcwcl1.dnet.bp.com writes:
>
>Does anyone know how one might go about trying to track down a good hypnotic 
>regressionist in one's area?  I have a friend that recently experienced a 
>classic case of missing time, and we'd like to investigate it.  I am in the 
>Cleveland area.
>
>David

For anyone who is interested in abduction help please call:

                       Bill Knell
                       Director of Island Skywatch
                      (718)591-1854 (New York)

      He can get you in touch with the right people in your area.
    He has a lot of videos, tapes and books on UFOs and abductions.
    He is a very experienced researcher/investigator.


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From: jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder)
Subject: Re: Heavy Boots
In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 30 Jul 92 04:30:07 -0400.
             <S436.3c98@looking.on.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:31:34 GMT

>  Regarding the laws of physics: So far, the laws of physics are still
>  regarded as constant through-out the universe (doesn't mean that this
>  is definate, but nobody has observed a "difference" as far as I am
>  currently aware. Maybe someone else knows more about this ).

I'm sorry I don't remember the show but I DO remember some of the details.
There was a UFO sighting/following in Northern Europe near a US airbase
a few years back.  An F-16 spotted a UFO and began to follow.  The UFO
flew at around Mach 1.5, made a literal 90 degree towards the ground and
accelerated at Mach 5.0 (the G-Forces alone would kill any human and crush
any substance on Earth) straight towards the ground and literally "stopped
on a dime".  Then F-16 then recording the object going Mach 15+ INSTANTLY
from a dead stop producing G-Forces which would be deathly.

Whether or not this "defies" the laws of physics, I am not sure.  But it DOES
sound rather astronomical.

-D

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jhakumak@messi.uku.fi (Juhana Hakum{ki)
Subject: Re: computers in UFO
Date:  6 Sep 92 16:44:30 GMT
Organization: University of Kuopio, Finland

u2116318@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>anyone has any idea about the computers in the UFO?
>It should be very advanced , anyone seen that before?

UFOs do not use the fly-by-computer method. Thus, there are no computers on
board. By utilizing a method called fly-by-wire, they eliminate the need for
expensive electronic gear. Besides, it gives you a much better "feel" of the
craft.

-- 
Juhana Hakum{ki, Department of Physiology, University of Kuopio, Finland.
E-mail: jhakumak@messi.uku.fi  *  Disclaimer: Opinions, if any, are mine.
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:6475 alt.conspiracy:10488
From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:26:00 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <_bpn2j+.garys@netcom.com>, garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes...
 <stuff about how national security is at stake, you know, deleted> 
>Gary Stollman    Internet: garys@netcom.com     GEnie: G.STOLLMAN

Gary,
You know what makes all this not particularly believable?
The fact that with all this stuff "the government" is supposedly doing to you,
you just hang around and take it. If it were me, I'd have gotten my butt far,
far away from here if I thought "the government" was replacing the whole
country with clones, or if they were throwing me in and out of mental hospitals
every other day. BTW, try paying your phone bill. You'll probably have much
less problems with the phones.
-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
From: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Kissinger spills the beans?
Date: 10 Sep 92 06:02:15 GMT
Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au

In <Sep.10.01.05.50.1992.4473@andromeda.rutgers.edu> mccabe@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Chris Mccabe) writes:

>	There was some guy on the radio this morning (100.3 FM, NYC) who
>	said Henry Kissinger stated that President Bush would be revealing
>	a massive UFO coverup this October.  The guy on the radio said
>	that Bush will do this because our current
>	government has been involved in some very, very, secret 	
>	dealings with some sort of Alien race, and that now is definately
>	not the time to change presidents.  I think the guy on the
>	radio said that Henry Kissinger made the statement in front
>	of some European Government Committe.

Well, sitting here Down Under, I find the idea of Bush announcing a massive
UFO coverup very intriguing.  Just consider, Bush admits that a coverup has 
been occuring in the past and continuing while he was in power, and then says
"I'm a nice, honest guy, re-elect me".  Frankly, I don't expect any such
announcement until after the election, if at all.  Bush is not stupid enough
to cut his own throat in that fashion.

Bush would have to convince the American people that he had nothing to do
with it and is just exposing secret military factions and the like, blah,
blah, blah.  But I can't see enough people swallowing that to make a difference
to the election outcome.

I'll be the happiest person on the planet if it does happen (announcement of
aliens, etc), but I can't see it happening.  Given the current political
climate, it would more likely be a blow-up of the Middle East or Eastern
Europe that causes Bush to put on his "tough hat" again and argue that
changing Presidents is not a good idea, rather than aliens.  I could be wrong.

Cheers,

Rhys.
--
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rhys@cs.uq.oz.au  "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?"
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: A FEW UFO (FACTS?)
From: dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:50:32 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City

In article <Sep.6.23.07.09.1992.2797@dropout.rutgers.edu>, mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:
> 
> 	dprebyl@vax1.umkc.edu (WRITER OF CAPITOL LETTERS) writes:
> 	[lots o' stuff]
> 
> ... It would help if you gave references where your read/heard all
> this.  

YOUR ABSOULTLY RIGHT I'LL DO BETTER WHEN I READ/HEAR/OR WHATEVER NEW INFO ON 
THIS SUBJECT.  BUT IN MY DEFENSE I WAS WRITING JUST WHAT I KNEW AS A MEANS
OF JOINING THIS GROUP

> 
>     Unfortunately, the assertion that the pyramids (at least) require
> aliens to build just doesn't hold up.  The techniques used are not
> that hard, providing you have enough labor, and motive.  Even the
> "mystic pi" stuff has terrestrial solution -- a Japanese TV crew
> (making an excellent documentary called "Great Pyramid", which has
> been shown on the Discovery Channel) showed that a wheel would be the
> only reliable measurer of distance (which had to be fairly precisely
> measured to build a pyramid that wouldn't fall down), and so the
> assertion that they-had-to-know-pi actually is due to the purest of
> accidents.

GREAT THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TRING TO DO...JUST THROW A FACT OR TWO IN
THE RING...THANKS FOR THE INFO.

> 
> Charles
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Why are aliens "bad"
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:21:54 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	Why are most of the aliens presented here (blacks, greys,
	etc.) not nice ?  Is this 1950s all over again ?

... From my reading, in the 1950's, those who claimed contact
(Adamski, for instance), claimed that those visiting earth were nice
guys.  I think the bad-guy aliens stuff starts with the abduction
claims (beginning in the mid-1960's, though not in a concerted way
until the 1970's.)  Since some of the more famous "evil alien" stuff
is known to be false (e.g. the "Krill" stuff), it may just be that
evil aliens make better copy; though some of the people killed
mysteriously in South America (detailed in some of Vallee's books -
"Confrontations", I think -- before anyone poo-poos, read the book)
would seem to point in the bad-guy alien direction.  Certainly
good-alien people are still around (Meier, for instance).

	Why has no one contacted the aliens that gave (give) birth
	(life) to the greys and blacks etc. ?

... eh?  Please give more details.

	Assuming the age of this universe to be ~16 billion years.
	And life on Earth is < 4 billion years.  Human kind < 40,000
	years.  It seems very reasonable to me that life forms on
	other planets should have evolved far beyond human kind and
	most likely far beyond the greys and blacks that are still
	rutting in the dirt of life.

... well, heavier elements (that is, heavier than say helium) haven't
been around that long -- they'd only have been formed after supernovas
(which have to wait until stars actually form; then reform into new
stars to support life built on these "new" elements).  However, you're
right that there is certainly time for other civilizations to have
evolved elsewhere.  

Charles
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Subject: Re: Aliens without souls
Followup-To: Crossbreeds
Keywords: Reincarnation
Reply-To: milsom@ntb.ch (Paul Milsom)
Organization: Neu-Technikum Buchs 
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 09:35:45 GMT


David writes:
	  If you believe in reincarnation, are these 
	cross-breeds imbued with reincarnated human souls?  Do they even have 
	individual souls?

 I can't see that there is such a thing as a "human" soul. Your soul can 
surely reincarnate on any planet, at any time, in any dimension.
We may have all been greys!
								Paul

Paul Milsom
milsom@ntb.ch
Neu-Technikum Buchs Switzerland
From: racw@dcs.ed.ac.uk (rod williams)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: The aliens have landed
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:38:51 GMT
Reply-To: awrc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (rod williams)

In article %i, clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Claudia Calvello) writes:
>
> [ stuf about alein visit removed ]

when was this? i ask as i saw something REALLY wierd last thrusday night.

it was about nine oclock and i was on the bus home. i was stting there
minding my own bussiness when something pulled my eye out the window. the
road was very dark with no traffic but over to the left i could see a
bright light in the skye. it was roundish, white, very brite and seemed to
be folowing the bus. it was quite far away (i saw it pass through some
clouds and the hills) but i don't think it was far away to be coz of
paradox.

most of the lite was quite brite, sora white but with some darker bits like
the surface wasn't prefectly smooth. it was about the size of penny (a cent
for people in the america) held at armslenhgt. it was wierd. ive seen
things like that before around these parts but a long ago weve also got
lots of bronz age stuff.

:x
> Two space aliens have just landed in this campus. They wear blue
> spacesuits, with a yellow line where some Earth creatures have
> a tie. They wear something which looks like an oxygen mask, but
> the bottles they have on their backs contains a dark liquid instead.
> I know this, because they seem to be made of some transparent
> material, and inside it it is clearly visible a very dark green
> liquid.
>
> Right now they are not in sight anymore, I suspect that
> they are hiding behind a tree, but I'll keep watching outside
> the window to get more information.
>
> In the meantime, if anybody has an idea of where they might
> come from...
>
> Oh, before I forget, I haven't seen them landing, I just happened
> to look outside and they were there.
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