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Newsgroups: rec.pets
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:20:54 -0400 
From: Barbara Carlson <bc1w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ferret question: 2 males ??

Excerpts from netnews.rec.pets: 13-Apr-92 Ferret question: 2 males ?? by
Jeff Hodosko@miavx1.acs. 
> adopt another child into our home.  I have read that it is better to get
> ferrets that are of the opposite sex.  My question is, Would it be alright to
> get another male to be Martyn's little sib. (btw, all the ferrets mentioned
> have been fixed, which I assume makes a big difference.)

When they're fixed, I don't think it makes as much difference as when
they're whole. There might be some dominance fighting for a while until
they get used to each other. 

> The reason I ask is because I was in the pet store the other day and they had
> this one-year-old male ferret that just seemed perfect.  You could tell the
> people who raised him spent a lot of time with him.  They were asking
$150 for
> him which seems a little steep, but it is worth it.

Geeze, this seems AWFULLY expensive for a pre-owned year-old ferret. Up
here the *babies* are only $89 in PetLand. You can get a ferret that
needs a home from one of those rescue places for around $40. I think
they're trying to really rip you off, personally.

--Barb--


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From: cansoori@athena.mit.edu (Christina Ansoorian)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: HAVE BUN, WILL TRAVEL
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:24:36 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

For the longest time, I couldn't find anything my bunny Seymour would
eat besides his pellets and canned string beans (and grass and clover 
when outside).  He would not eat alfalfa, grass that I picked and gave
to him, apples, bananas, two kinds of lettuce, carrots, broccoli, or anything
else I tried offering him.  His front teeth don't line up (I have to trim
them periodically), so I thought that maybe he couldn't bite through some
of the more solid veggies, but I steamed them until they were soft and he
still wouldn't eat them (although he would carefully remove everything from
his bowl that he did not like, while leaving the pellets in).  Then about
three weeks ago I found out that he absolutely LOVES parsley.  And I also
found out that he'll eat romaine lettuce, but will still not eat other 
varieties.  Go figure....

		-Christina
Newsgroups: rec.pets,rec.pets.dogs
From: tm@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (thomas.s.muir)
Subject: FORSALE: DOG CRATE
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: nj
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:01:50 GMT
Followup-To: Phone number in ad

            ************* DOG CRATE FOR SALE **************

            Excellent condition (less than 1 year old)
            Perfect for puppies and medium sized dogs
            Dimensions: 42" long x 30" wide x 28" high
            Price: $50.00
            Contact: Tom (908) 446-0285

            ***********************************************

-- 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
T.Muir                                "Po te weet!"
                                                Kurt Vonnegut
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: iverson@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (David L. Iverson)
Subject: OK for bunny chewing?
Originator: iverson@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:14:05 GMT

Sorry if this is a repost, I don't think the original post left our site.

Hi bunny lovers,
	With all this talk about toxics lately, I was wondering if 
plywood was safe for bunny chewing.  I know that pressboard/particle
board has arsenic in it.  Is there anything toxic in the stuff they
use to hold plywood together?

	Thanks for all the advice about keeping bunny from chewing where
she's not supposed to.  I found that vinegar or soapy water spread on the
forbidden area discouraged her from chewing for a while.  She seemed to 
forget about some of her favorite chew spots after a treatment or two.
She still visits a few of them, but we've taken care of most of those with 
barricades.  And yes, for those of you who were concerned, she does get 
plenty to chew on and play with.

	One other bunny habit we'd like to stop is chewing on the carpet.  She's
very fond of chewing on and pulling up pieces of our new carpet, even if 
there are plenty of other chew toys right in front of her nose.  Any ideas
on how to discourage that?

	We also have a tip for people with bunnies who don't like to be picked up.
Our bunny didn't like being picked up and would frequently prefer staying in 
her cage rather than being picked up to go hop around.  Then we discovered 
what we call the "bunnyvator".  It's a wicker basket large enough for the
bunny to sit in with a handle.  Now when it's time to hop, we just lower the
basket into her cage, she climbs in, and we lift her out.  And the basket 
also doubles as a chew toy.  We got the basket at a local hardware store
(Orchard).
	One more question for SF Bay Area folks.  Do you know of any good places
to buy fresh hay in the South Bay?  All we can find at pet stores are those
alfalfa hay cubes.

				Thanks for the info,
									Dave I.
From: eminger@mips.com (Dawn Eminger)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Need FERRET Info
Date: 7 Apr 1992 00:16:51 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Sunnyvale, California
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: bismarck.mips.com
Originator: eminger@bismarck.mips.com

I would like to get as much info on ferrets as possible,
as far as ownership goes. My boyfriend wants one very
much and I need to get all the particulars before a decision
is made...

Please send me all you know, including info on:
price, where to buy (Northern Ca), upkeep cost,
food, ferret + cat relations, vet costs, etc....

Most appreciated!!

Dawn Eminger
eminger@mips.com
From: v019nlpc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Andrew L Paley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Bouvier
Date: 15 Apr 92 20:07:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	I would like to know if anyone out there in computer land has a Bouvier
der Flounder (spelling may be wrong- let me know).  It is a beautiful dog.
I had one when I was much younger and wish to possibly get one for myself 
in the near future.  I would just like alot of info. about the dog itself (incl.
info. on its success at Westminster= just for curiosity's sake).  If I do get 
one it would hopefully be a purebred.  Prices????

	Thanks in advance.

							ANDY-MAHN

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From: jsap+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jennifer E. Swofford)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Question?
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:54:40 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.pets: 6-Apr-92 Question? Mark A
Gsellman@magnus.a (456)

> I was just wondering and please do not get offended, is there usually any
> other subject of discussion besides ferrets? I ask this because I own a dog
> and all I read about is ferrets and I'd like to know if there is a news group
> for dogs and dog owners.  Please don't get mad at me for this because I'm
> just curious, not to start an arguement.

> Anything would be of help.

Yes, there is a newsgroup called netnews.rec.pets.dogs designed
especially for you!  :)  There's also rec.pets.cats, rec.pets.aquaria,
rec.pets.birds, and the best one of all, rec.pets.herp!!!  


> By the way, How do ferrets make as pets and how much do they run ($)?

This I do not know the answer to.  I'd like to know, as well.  And, how
well will ferrets get along with my reptiles?  I'm sure one would look
tasty to my Tegu....

Seeya,

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iguana+@cmu.edu        
                              
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From: jmhodosko@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Jeff Hodosko)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Ferret question: 2 males ??
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:15:55 GMT
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <QdulFq600WBK04qVMd@andrew.cmu.edu>, bc1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Barbara Carlson) writes:
> Excerpts from netnews.rec.pets: 13-Apr-92 Ferret question: 2 males ?? by
> Jeff Hodosko@miavx1.acs. 
> 
>> The reason I ask is because I was in the pet store the other day and they had
>> this one-year-old male ferret that just seemed perfect.  You could tell the
>> people who raised him spent a lot of time with him.  They were asking
> $150 for
>> him which seems a little steep, but it is worth it.
> 
> Geeze, this seems AWFULLY expensive for a pre-owned year-old ferret. Up
> here the *babies* are only $89 in PetLand. You can get a ferret that
> needs a home from one of those rescue places for around $40. I think
> they're trying to really rip you off, personally.
> 
> --Barb--

I know, this seems expensive to me too.  We bought our last ferret at this
place last year for only $80 I think. But then we had to get her fixed and get
some shots and the cost went up to about $130 which is about what they used to
sell for when they were already fixed.  If we decide on adopting the little
thing I plan on talking them down some first.  It is just a local store and I'm
in there all the time so I kinda know the owner a bit and she is really nice
about things like this.  I think I could talk them down to about $120 or so
which seems to be the going price in this area for a ferret.

- jeff
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: hartman@dewey.udel.edu (Nancy Hartman)
Subject: Swollen vulva in FERRET
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 07:05:33 GMT


**** Please respond ASAP ****

O.K. everyone, I need some help.

About 3 days ago I noticed that Percy (spayed female, 3 1/2 years) has
a slightly swollen vulva.  I've waited a few days just to make sure, and
it's definately getting more swollen.  Although, it's still not "large".
She appears healthy, her appetite is good, and she's as playful as usual.  
She has lost weight and her coat is thin (but that could just be seasonal).
She may be sleeping a bit more than usual, it's hard to tell, she has always
slept a lot.

I have two ideas on this.  An adrenal tumor (Cushing's), or a botched up
spay job.  I'm praying that I'm being overly-paranoid on this one - does
anyone know of any other causes of a swollen vulva?  (No, I don't have a 
whole male in the house who's attacking my girls)

I want to catch whatever it is as soon as possible.  Especially if it is
cancer.  Is Cushing's even diagnosable at this early stage?  Or, do I have
to wait until there's a tumor the size of a golf ball for them to find it?

Who would be the best person to have my vet call for the latest procedures
for detection/treatment?  I was thinking Dr. Kawasaki.  Is there anyone else
who might be more on the "cutting edge" on this issue?

Any information is much appreciated!!!

- Nancy

hartman@udel.edu
or
(215) 255 - 4436
I should be in every evening this week.  And I'm usually up late, at least
12:00.
or
If you're going to the Lehigh Valley show this weekend, bring any information
that you have.  (I already have Dr. Fox's book, Biology and Diseases of the
Ferret)
-- 
Nancy Hartman					CIS graduate student
hartman@udel.edu				U. of Delaware
        President and founder, Delaware Valley Ferret Club
                      Owner of Percy & Bree
From: myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Killer Bunny
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:54:59 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Apr15.183901.18053@julian.uwo.ca> cboyd@irus.rri.uwo.ca (Cameron Boyd) writes:
>getting steadily worse.  He doesn't pee (at least not as much as he did
>before the operation), but he bites, and he only bites me, not my
>girlfriend.  He does it without provocation, that I can see.  This is more
>than just a warning "nip".  He throws himself full force at my hand.
>Much of the time he's ok, but it's generally not safe for me to reach into his
>cage without first getting ahold of his neck, and he seems to see me as a threat
>outside the cage, and will attack my hand if extended to him. 

I strongly suggest you bring them out of their cages permanently, and
allow them to become house rabbits, like indoor cats. Rabbits naturally
toilet train, and are extremely clean animals. Your reaching into its
cage to grab it by the neck is probably seen as a dangerous (to the
rabbit) maneuver hence the rabbit has to take precautionary action,
hence it bites your hand. Just get rid of the cage. Have a litter tray
in a secluded, low traffic area, preferrably in a corner of a room, and
clean out the tray once every four days, by rotating the tray 90
degrees each day. The Bunny will poop and pee always with his bum
towards the corner, face looking out, hence only one corner will be
dirty. Do not move the tray, since it'll confuse the Bun too much.

To play with the Bun, lie down completely on the floor yourself, then
invite the Bun to explore your new presence. The Bun will naturally be
curious, as all Bunnies are. Then gently stroke him and when he melts
flat down onto the floor into one fat blob when you stroke his neck 
behind the ears and his back, gently bump noses with the Bun. That'll
cement the trust between the Bun and you.

Also, try to set up a more or less routine schedule when you do things
with the Bun, like the times it gets food, play with the Bun before
you go to bed, let him run circles around you before rest time, and
once more in the morning, and if you are home at lunch, do the usual
things with him and perhaps bump noses once more before leaving home
every day in the morning. You do want a contented Bunny, don't you?

What are you feeding the Bun? I recommend good quality rabbit feed
pallets, fresh clear cold water always available, once a day of one
or two of the following for treats:

Half an apple, sliced into three thin slices for easy chewing.
Hold onto the apple and let the Bun eat out of your hand, since it
doesn't know how to hold onto the food, and the apple may end up running
all over the floor, chased by the Bun.

Carrot with green tops. One small stick. The green tops are most delicious.

Lettuce with dark green leaves. The Bun will only eat the leaves, leaving
the stems intact. The bigger, greener the leaves the better. Five large
leaves would be enough.

Michael MY Hui          myhui@bnr.ca           Ottawa Canada
From: megm@sco.COM (Meg McRoberts)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: my bunny eats strange foods...
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 07:21:22 GMT
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.


In article <1992Apr7.133330.20543@alw.nih.gov> kaszyn@helix.nih.gov (Eve Kaszynski) writes:
==> These foods are gas producing, and rabbits have a particularly hard time
==> getting rid of gas.  If eaten in large amounts, these foods you mentioned
==> could kill your rabbit, but it doesn't sound like he's having a problem
==> with it.  Just remember to regulate the amount he eats, and also feed
==> only small amounts of lettuce, carrots, and veges.  Also, NEVER feed your
==> rabbit cabbage.

i think it's more a matter of being careful when feeding
your rabbit cabbage (or brocolli, cauliflower, etc).
some rabbits seem to tolerate them quite well, whereas
others cannot tolerate them at all.

Rasta was abandoned at our vet's by owners who had fed her
ONLY cabbage for the year or so she had been with them.
she gets a lot of other stuff now, but she loves cabbage
and even if i don't give it to her, the dog shares with her.
and she has virtually no stomach problems (we had one little
episode a couple months ago, but that was probably related to
the fact that she took 3 different antibiotics in a week.
it had been several weeks since she had had any cabbage, so
i don't think it counts).
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: schwae@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Eric A. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: looking for ringtailed lemurs
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 04:09:45 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.003905.1@vax.sonoma.edu> mertes@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>		help!
>I am looking for any information on obtaining a "RINGTAILED LEMUR" legally,
>born in captivity, or hawks, and falcons.. If anyone has any info 
>regarding this I would appreciate a post... I am a biology major at 
>Sonoma State University, 
>
If you want the lemur as a pet, don't.  I've heard of only two people
who kept them and both were nearly killed.  Ringtails seem to have a
natural tendency to rip a major artery right out of the leg.  

If you need it for behavioral study, try going through your local zoo.
If they won't let you use theirs, or if they have none, they may be able 
to tell you of another zoo that does have some they are willing to sell.
Make sure you know what you are getting into, they are extremely dangerous
and unpredictable animals. Also make sure you have all the facilities 
you need to care for them, including a cage large enough for the lemur
to live in, plenty of things for it to climb on, and a vet experienced in
exotics at least, if not a primate specialist.  

E.S.
From: dpenning@ccscola.Columbia (diana penning)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: My cat's neck is bald!
Date: 15 Apr 92 14:16:49 GMT
Reply-To: dpenning@ccscola.Columbia ()
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCR CCSD Columbia

OK, I know there is a group specifically for cats, but I can't seem to post to
it.  Maybe someone here can help poor Winky.

He and my other cat both wear woven collars made of nylon.  It's a very smooth
finish, and not scratch to my touch.  I discovered a couple of days ago that
Winky's neck is bald where the collar lays!  He's been wearing it for about a
year and a half.  No folks, I don't mean his fur is displaced, it's gone!  My
other cat does not have this problem--her fur is all there (of course, she IS
more of a priss than he is).

Any suggestions?  
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: Auferret@CVMMDL1.MSstate.EDU (Jennifer Au)
Subject: Re: Ferrets & Allergies
Organization: Miss. State U. College of Vet. Med.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:32:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.170730.2625@meteor.wisc.edu>, foley@phoebus.meteor.wisc.edu (Jonathan Foley) writes:
> 
> Howdy All:
> 
> I am the proud owner of 4 (count 'em!) ferrets.  One of the little
> dudes, Roy, seems to have a problem with breathing every once in
> a while.  In the summer and fall, he seems to be congested for
> long periods of time.  He has had this since he was a kit.  What
> can I do?  I suspect he has some sort of allergy to pollen (ferret
> hay fever?)...but I don't know what to do about it.  
> 
> Any ideas?
>
Sounds like it may be an allergy. It may be something in the air conditioner so 
you may want to try cleaning the filters periodically to see if that helps.
Also ferrets can have respiratory problems with carpet deodorisors. This isn't
the problem if it's seasonal but I thought I'd throw it in too.
         Jenny Au
> I would appreciate any suggestions.  It doesn't seem to really hurt
> him any, but I hate to see him unhappy.  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jon
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From: set@cis.ksu.edu (Toaster Man)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Ferrets and soap..
Date: 6 Apr 1992 22:02:55 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University, Department of Computing and Information Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: harry.cis.ksu.edu

In article <1992Apr6.145858.19671@ncsu.edu> shodapp@eos.ncsu.edu (SUSAN  HODAPP) writes:
>from set@cis.ksu.edu . . .
>
>>. . . stuff deleted . . .
>>Also i would like to touch up on the ferret bear topic. I have never
>BLAH, BLAH
>                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Is that a new cross breed?  Call for the news group REC.PETS.FERRET-BEAR.
>;^}
>Susan

Bear?? who said bear? )-)  I have alot of slips.  My ferrets name is bear, but
what i meant is beer :) or is it deer no i think its dear? hmmm anway/... JK


-steve tietze

Carpet Sharks  -Smokey + Bear
From: megm@sco.COM (Meg McRoberts)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: HAVE BUN, WILL TRAVEL
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 06:59:13 GMT
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.


In article <12000020@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM> almanb@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Bob Alman) writes:
[stuff deleted]
==> I wanted to provide fruit and yogurt for them but our buns don't 
==> seem to like fresh food or
==> yogurt or fruit. Just alfalfa  and pellets and that's that.
==> Oh-they will eat grass if I let them.  Any feelings on potential
==> problems if only pellets are consumed? Should I "force" them to
==> eat other foods by not providing their beloved pellets?
==> 
as i understand it, the problem with a pellets-only diet
is that the pellets may not contain enough fiber to prevent
intestinal blockage.  but the alfalfa hay is good and fibrous.
can you get them to eat either crimped oats or barley (available
at feed stores)?

otherwise, it's only the question of whether we know enough about
rabbit nutrition to (a) trust a limited diet to be adequate or
(b) trust a varied diet not to really screw up their stomaches.
so who knows?

if you are concerned about the fiber in your bun's diet, you
might get some Vetasyl from your vet and sprinkle it over your
bun's food.  Vetasyl is a Metamucil-like product marketed for
the prevention of hairballs in cats, but my vet says it has
been tested in rabbits and found to be effective and safe.
but the most important thing is to monitor the "output" pellets
and contact the vet quickly if you notice any irregularities in them
(either soft/runny or hard/small/funny-shaped).

i might also note that Rasta wasn't interested in much dietary
variety when we first got her, but little by little she has gotten
VERY interested in a wide variety of foods.  she is also a bit
moody -- one week she wants only carrot tops for fresh veggies,
another week she prefers dandylion greens, and another week it
is parsley that suits her precious palette.  spoiled brat!