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From: kh@sei.cmu.edu (Kurt Haverstock)
Subject: Re: These weird "Twilight Zone" lights under cars....
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:34:25 GMT

In article Re: These weird "Twilight Zone" lights under cars.... of Wed, 26 Aug 1992 07:13:03 GMT buccb@after.math.uiuc.edu (Carlos Dragonslayer Butler) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.214937.15484@metter.fmpmis.metter.com>  
>virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (curious vIRgO) writes:
>> 
>> Personally, as a fad, it has some use. YOU CAN NEVER SAY "I didn't see it
>> coming in the dark.."when you come upon it(and hit it...hopefully not!)
>> What are these new creations called,these under-the-chassis lights?? Where
>> do you get 'em?? What's the cost????
>
>	In Chicago I was quoted a price of $300.
>
>--
>   		     Carlos Dragonslayer Butler
>buccb@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu buccb@after.math.uiuc.edu buccb@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
>        University of Illinois 	     (217) 373-4781 Pager
>     "People often condescend what they fail to comprehend...
>     ...ignorance makes life easier. Learn to tolerate. Peace."



Ahhhh, yes. This is a more modern version of wheel-well and undercarraige 
lights. We used to put dew lights up inside the wheel wells (wells painted
white, of course), and along the back axle (rear-end lifted, of course).

The more ambitious would also mount fog lights front and rear that
aimed inward to illuminate the underbody.

Just cruise into the Macs on McKnight Road with stock illumination,
pump some revs for attention, hit the switches and 'light up'.

Them were the days, eh?


Kurt

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From: jan@lipari.usc.edu (Jan Vandenbrande)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: American VW Joke
Date: 31 Aug 1992 17:20:11 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: lipari.usc.edu

A little while back in Rochester, NY, carless, I went to a police
car auction. Before the actual auctioning started you were allowed
to look at the cars.

Naturally I wondered over to the VW section, and there I saw a rather
big fellow, the kind you normally associate with junk yards and
beat up tow trucks, opening the *hood* of a bug.

It was obviously his first experience in the foreign car business,
because he immediatly uttered an explicite and said
"Shit, another one without engine".

Jan
-- 
Jan Vandenbrande

jan@lipari.usc.edu	("School")
jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com	("Real work")
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: These weird "Twilight Zone" lights under cars....
Keywords: They're really weird....
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 19:27:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.214937.15484@metter.fmpmis.metter.com> virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (curious vIRgO) writes:
>
>The past few weeknights,as I happily cruise the streets of Takoma Park,MD,
>I've noticed quite a few cars sporting a neon glow underneath theier chassis.
>Is saw a Mustang GT with green neon, a white Laser RS Turbo with a lavender
>haze neon,and an Audi 5000 happily rolling along while all the wile it's `
>underbelly diffused a bright pink light....
>
>Personally, as a fad, it has some use. YOU CAN NEVER SAY "I didn't see it
>coming in the dark.."when you come upon it(and hit it...hopefully not!)
>What are these new creations called,these under-the-chassis lights?? Where
>do you get 'em?? What's the cost????
>
>The curious virgo wants to know....

they're neon lights rigged up under the chassis of the car -
haven't figured out for sure what they're made of yet - if
they're glass, they must be able to take a lot of hard knocks, 
etc that come with being on the underside of a car - but -
as for cost, probably more than they're worth...B-)

-- 
________________       __        ________________   "They that can give up
\_________      \     /_ \      /      _________/  essential liberty to 
 \_________      \_____/  \____/      _________/  obtain temporary safety
  \___________________      __________________/  deserve neither liberty 
                     /______\                   nor safety."  
ALL disclaimers apply ....                           --Benjamin Franklin
From: Cliff_Lum@mindlink.bc.ca (Cliff Lum)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: TOYOTA's timing belt
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:29:47 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> John Nall writes:
> 
> Msg-ID: <10428@sun13.scri.fsu.edu>
> Posted: 25 Aug 92 20:48:13 GMT
> 
> Org.  : SCRI, Florida State University
> 
> In article <leonard.714663922@aix3090b.uky.edu> leonard@aix3090b.uky.edu
> (Leonard Lauria) writes:
> >what about the eclipse/talon/laser?  free wheeling or not?
> 
>   Dunno.  But since I read all these horror stories, I asked my
>   mechanic-adviser if it was something I needed to worry about
>   on the ol' Mercedes Benz.  He smiled and said that not only
>   did the MB have a timing *chain*, but that it was a *double*
>   chain, so even if one broke, the other would still be there.
> 
>   So eat your livers, Toyota owners :-)
> 
> John
> (p.s.  If you ever saw my old '77 MB, which cost me $1500, you'd
> know why I'm smiling.  I can't afford a Toyota!)
> 
> Hey my TOYOTA COROLLA has a double roller timing chain too!!! :)
> It also has a hemi-head !!!!!
> It also has a 4 into 2 into 1 exhaust system. All stock too.
>
From: rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ronald D Rodabaugh)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Yet another fancy piece of cops' equipment
Summary: Intro to "CHiP's"
Keywords: "CHiP's", Kawasaki
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:09:37 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Distribution: rec.autos
Organization: The Ohio State University


    I have been watching "CHiP's" everyday at 12:05 on TBS, not because the 
writing or the acting is good, but because I get a kick out of the exaggerated 
panic driving involved and the cars used back then, and because it was one of 
my favorite shows when I 4 or 5 years old.
     And, Ponch and John ride KAWASAKI motorcycles. Not only is it on the
bikes, but at the end of the show, it will state, "All motorcycles furnished by
Kawasaki Co."

David Rodabaugh                   rrodabau@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Senior, Mechanical Engineering
The Ohio State University
From: esc@ulysses.att.com (E. Steve Crandall)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 93 Ford Probe GT
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:58:30 GMT
Distribution: na


After having looked around at several cars (new Prelude, VW Corrado SLC,
and other cars in that class), we have decided to buy a 93 Probe GT.
The car is very tight for something stock and is fun to drive.  I did
enjoy the SLC a bit more, BUT it was much more expensive and I do worry
about VW quality lately (my current car is a much modified 83 VW GTI).

A word on buying the car.  We had no trouble getting down to near what
Consumer Reports calls "dealer cost" in their car price service.  I have
heard that these cars are going for list on the West Coast, but we're
not seeing that here.

Someone mentioned wanting to delete the radio -- you can specify a
"radio delete" option on factory ordered cars, BUT they really delete
the radio -- including its wiring harness, speakers, speaker grills,
and even the antenna and its hole.  This will lower your cost by about
$200.

One of the features that sold my wife on the car was that it comes in
BRIGHT yellow -- her favorite color.  It also turns out that Ford/Mazda
has not yet made the color available.  Rather than take the dealer's
word for it, my wife managed to call the director of the assembly plant
who returned her call (amusement?).  It will probably be available soon
and is the same paint that Ferrari calls "fly yellow."

Neat little car -- now all we have to do is wait 6 weeks for delivery.

Steve Crandall
evan.crandall@att.com
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:46:28 EDT
From: <WJT101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: BMW performance chips

Hello.  I was wondering if anybody here is familiar with performance chips
  (specifically from Dinan Engineering) available for BMW 5-Series models.
  I know there are a few different chips (in various price ranges).  Does
  anyone have experience with these?  What would be recommended for a 1990
  BMW 525i with automatic transmission?
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From: craighub@tc.fluke.COM (Craig Huber)
Subject: PORSCHE 911 FOR SALE
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: In Pacific Northwest
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:25:34 GMT


FOR SALE: 

1971 Porsche 911T Coupe.
 * Grand Prix White w/Black leather interior
 * Un-restored, un-modified 
 * All numbers match
 * 5-speed
 * "S"-instruments and trim
 * Original Motorola radio (rare)
 * Original spare wheel/tire 
 * Original factory tool kit
 * New:
    Dunlop D40M2 tires
    Boge Turbo shocks
    Muffler (factory replacement)
    Bra
    Battery
    Door and hood seals
 * '84 911 Carrera engine timing chain tensioner upgrade    

If you're looking for a used original Porsche in near-showroom
condition, which is fast, fun, and has appreciation potential, this
may be your car.  $10,900/OBO.  For more information, call Craig @
(206) 356-5432 days, or (206) 823-5551 evenings.
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From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,misc.consumers,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:01:15 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

In article <1992Sep02.010828.24870@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu>, ejhupper@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Huppertz) writes...
> 
>You see, carburetors have been the subject of much study for decades.
>And there have been several enterprising groups who have developed
>carburetors and engine systems which are hyper-efficient by 
>comparison to today's standards, but only par for the course where
>scientific development is concerned.

[story how 100+ mpg carburetor designs are locked away in the vaults of
oil companies deleted]

This is a very old urban legend/conspiracy theory.  I believe it dates from
the 50s, but tends to show up in force when there is an 'oil crisis' such
as in 1973.

One thing that dates it is discussions of "carburetors".  Carburetors are
obsolete, most (all?) cars now being manufactured for the US market use
computer controlled fuel injection.  This is because carburetors _are_ less
efficient than fuel injection, both fuel economy-wise and pollution-wise. 
Normal scientific research and development developed the modern f.i system,
despite the claims all such systems have been 'locked away'.  But a gasoline-
or diesel-powered car that gets 130+ mpg yet has the room, acceleration and
safety that are suitable for US highways being developed but the designs
'locked away' are purely a myth.

Hope to see you at the recycling center,
-Mike
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From: phaedrus@unkaphaed.UUCP (James Hartman, Sysop)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.audio
Subject: Re: Best Cassette Deck cleaner
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 08:15:15 GMT
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy

ssave@ole.cdac.com (Shailendra Save) writes:

>  What is the best cassette deck (car deck, since it is impossible to get
> at without dismantling half my dashboard) cleaner?  Which have you found
> to be the best in terms of use and in terms of results?

Allsop.  Get the kind with the replaceable pads; if you haven't cleaned in
awhile, get some extra pads when you buy the unit.  Wonderful product.
Mind you, I don't work for them or anything, I'm just a satisfied customer.

--
phaedrus@unkaphaed.UUCP (da sysop)
"They say travel broadens the mind/so I went over the falls in a barrel
I found the noth pole/in a field of ice/and in a land of dreams/I found you."
--T. Dolby (I Live in a Suitcase)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mcj@zycor.lgc.com ()
Subject: Lift kits for 89 Nissan 4x4
Originator: mcj@miles.zycor.lgc.com
Organization: Landmark/Zycor  (Austin TX)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:41:12 GMT





Hello all;


I'm looking for people who who have added lift kits to their Nissan
trucks.  I've got a 1989 4x4 and I'd like to add about 5" inches of
lift.  I'm not a mechanical genius so the closer to bolt-on the
better.

If you've got any experiences to share; email or post...


Mike



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Michael C. Jones                                       Landmark/Zycor
mcj@zycor.lgc.com                                      220 Foremost Dr.
                                                       Austin, Texas 78745
                                                       (512) 282-6699
                                                  FAX  (512) 282-8122
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: rayh@eng.auburn.edu (Ray W. Hiltbrand)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Info on POWERWAGON
Date: 30 Aug 92 05:14:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Auburn University Engineering


From rayh Sun Aug 30 00:16:23 1992
To: /home/u2/rayh/.article


I am looking for information and history of the Dodge Powerwagon....

Any help would be appreciated.....

Email responses to rayh@eng.auburn.edu

Thanks

Ray_W._Hiltbrand
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From: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bruce G. Bostwick)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,misc.consumers,sci.environment,talk.environment
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Keywords: BOOM
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:56:04 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <2AA544AE.27353@ics.uci.edu> craigm@ics.uci.edu (Craig MacFarlane) writes:
[Robert Toreki's cogent comments on the dangers of hydrogen deleted]
>Simple solution: Then don't carry a tank a hydrogen around.  Carry a
>		 tank of water around.
>
>Hard problem: Separating the hydrogen from the water right before the
>	      hydrogen needs to be burned.
>
>I admittedly haven't any idea what it takes to separate hydrogen and
>oxygen, but a system which did so right before the hydrogen was to
>enter the combustion chamber would alleviate the fears of leveling
>city blocks.

There's a somewhat more complicated solution that's been proposed by a
certain welding-gas supplier.  Any of you who have used an
oxy-acetylene rig know about the way acetylene is stored: in a porous
filler soaked with acetone.  Well, the cylinder folks have figured out
a porous filler and solvent that will hold hydrogen the same way, and
when it reaches the practical stage H2 cars might well become popular.
Using the same system for large airliners has also been proposed.

Yes, I've fooled with welding-type cylinders full of hydrogen.  No,
you don't want to be around when a tank of loose dry hydrogen lets go.


-- 
<BGB>
lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu        /     "I can't complain,
(really Bruce Bostwick)        /   but sometimes I still do"
from the great state of TEXAS /         --Joe Walsh--
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,misc.consumers,sci.environment,talk.environment
From: harling@pictel.com (Dan Harling)
Subject: Re: Carburetors, gasoline, and why I don't recycle
Organization: PictureTel Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:29:37 GMT


You haven't been talking to Mr. DiNardo again, have you?  :-)
____________________________________________________________________________
Daniel A. Harling                        (harling@pictel.com)
PictureTel Corp.             Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of
Peabody, MA  01960                 PictureTel, but they ought to be!
From: quan@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Suu Quan)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:08:25 GMT
Subject: front disc brake question
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.autos

	Need your comments :
	When I rotate the tires on my 1989 Ford Taurus GL (6-cyl 3.0liter)
I noticed that the front brake pads are now about 1.5 mm (millimeter) thick,
while a new pad is 4 to 5 mm thick.

	I told that to a garage (non-dealership), and they told me that
it would cost me $85.00 to get the front pad replaced, because they also
have to turn the drum, even though I told them the drums do not seem to
be scratched. No they have not looked at the brake mechanism, but they
insist that the drums have to be turned anyway.

	What do you think ? about the turning and the price ?
From: dpl@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (douglas.p.linden)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: front disc brake question
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:32:56 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <1992Sep4.170041.6046@digi.lonestar.org>, ldillard@digi.lonestar.org (Lawrenece Dillard) writes:
> In article <1992Sep3.161249.4650@engage.pko.dec.com> sontakke@helix.enet.dec.com (Vikas Sontakke) writes:
> >
> >Taurus Front Brake Rotors have a recall; mine (90 SHO) were replaced without
> >cost to me by the dealer. It seems that Ford experimented with composite rotors
> >which tends to warp easily.
> 
> I had the dealer check specifically for front brake rotor recall for my
> '87 Taurus, but none existed.  I was able to purchase rotors at Autozone
> for about $27 apiece, which included a 2 yr warranty on them (they are 
> turnable, also).
> 
> -TD

There was a recall campaign for '87 Taurus/Sable rotors.  However it only
applied to vehicles that were registered/used in areas that used salt on
the highways.  Supposedly the salt could weaken the rotors causing them to
fail.  Maybe a Texas car didn't qualify?

Having just changed the brake pads on my wife's Sable and saw no evidence
of the symptoms indentified by the recall, I none-the-less let the dealer
replace the rotors anyway.  I might add that I never experienced any 
problems with the original rotors, i.e. fading,pulsating,etc., or with
the replacements after about 9 months.

BTW, the local L/M dealer has always been courteous, and so far, competent
the few times the car has gone back for service.  Seems to contradict the
sentiment from the majority of the net users.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (curious vIRgO)
Subject: These weird "Twilight Zone" lights under cars....
Summary: I MEAN< REALLY WEIRRRRD!!!!!
Keywords: They're really weird....
Organization: Metters Industries, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:49:37 GMT


The past few weeknights,as I happily cruise the streets of Takoma Park,MD,
I've noticed quite a few cars sporting a neon glow underneath theier chassis.
Is saw a Mustang GT with green neon, a white Laser RS Turbo with a lavender
haze neon,and an Audi 5000 happily rolling along while all the wile it's `
underbelly diffused a bright pink light....

Personally, as a fad, it has some use. YOU CAN NEVER SAY "I didn't see it
coming in the dark.."when you come upon it(and hit it...hopefully not!)
What are these new creations called,these under-the-chassis lights?? Where
do you get 'em?? What's the cost????

The curious virgo wants to know....


-- 

Paul "Axel" Virgo
Metters Industries
Arlington, VA 22202
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech,news.answers
From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Re: Police Tauri
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:23:50 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <7740211@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, rjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Schneider) 
writes:
> It claimed that the HP for the automatic version
> 	(also due out in 1993) would still be 200, but, made no claims for
> 	the manual version.

Horsepower on the current SHO is 220 HP with 200 lb-ft of torque.
so can it still be 200 hp?


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: RE: HONDA CIVIC BASHING C
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:22:00 GMT
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim)
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525

-> >ignorant).  Honda's are EXPENSIVE, a top of the line CIVIC costs
-> >$16,000!!  That's ridiculous and they always advertise them for
-> $11,000. > Yeah, no power anything, no A/C, no radio, etc.  Top of
-> the line Accord >costs $20,000 loaded, Prelude costs $24,000 (Si 4ws
-> loaded), top of the >line Integra GS-R costs $22,000.  The prices of
-> Honda's are getting out >of hand...
->
-> Are these U.S. prices or Canadian prices?  The price of a top-line
-> civic in canada is about 18000 Canadian = 15000 U.S., the price of an
-> Integra GS-R is 21000 Canadian = 17500 U.S., the price of a Prelude
-> Si 4ws is 24000 Canadian = 20000 U.S.
->
-> Your prices seem awfully inflated;  and I've checked at many dealers
-> in several provinces over the past 6 months.

  These prices are all U.S. and they are not inflated.  Yeah, the actual
sticker price is lower, but after you add floor mats, the usual dealer
prep. (rustproof, teflon wax, etc.)  That's how much it costs.   These
prices are correct because I know someone who bought a 92' Prelude
Si 4ws with gold trim and almost all all of the accesories for $24,000
in Los Angeles. Another one of my friends paid $17,000 for a plain 92'
Accord EX without any accesories and before TT&L.  And as the price for
the Integra, I saw the price at the dealer and of course Integra's don't
come standard with A/C. so that costs another $1000.  That really
sucks!!


Erich Lim
                                                                                                             
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: aalis@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Al Bundy)
Subject: US Audi and Procon Ten safety features ?
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 19:00:29 GMT

Just curious if the new Audi in the US has the Procon Ten safety
features they have in Europe ?  Procon Ten is, according to their
ad in CAR magazine in England, is designed to pull the engine out
of passenger compartment while tightening the seatbelts in the 
event of accident. The only thing they mention in their US ads is 
the seatbelt tensioning plus the usual airbags, ABS, etc.

If they don't have it in the US, why ?  Afraid to get bad publicity
when 60 minutes discover that this system won't work against
18 wheelers :)
Date: Friday, 28 Aug 1992 09:26:19 EDT
From: <MARK@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Nissan Quest or Mecury Villager (Mini-Vans) Info

Does anybody know the price range of these 2 minivans, also Dealer Cost
information would also be helpful.


                                  Thanks
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw,rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
From: michal+@cs.cmu.edu (Michal Prussak)
Subject: Re: Polish VW Joke
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:31:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.231329.2437299@locus.com> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>A man was sentenced to 4 years in Poland because he was caught
>smuggling an engine in the rear trunk of his VW Bug.
>
>jle


Obviously, this joke is funny only to the ignorant Americans, who never heard
of any other cars with the engine in the rear. If you care to know,
the most popular car in Poland (Polish made Fiat 126) has an engine in the
rear. Also some models of Chech Skodas, Yugoslav Zastavas 750 and Soviet
Zaporozhets all had engines in the rear.

Do you know why Polish jokes are so short?

So that American's brain cells won't overload!

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Michal
Newsgroups: rec.autos