From: jad@Turing.ORG (John DiNardo)
Subject: Part I, NAZI DOCTORS Directed by Government, Medicine and Academia
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Originator: rich@pencil.cs.missouri.edu
Keywords: Nazi doctors directed by Government, Medicine and Academia
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:19:43 GMT

        I made the following transcript from a tape recording 
        of a broadcast by Pacifica Radio Network station
               WBAI-FM (99.5)
               505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl.
               New York, NY 10018       (212) 279-0707

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GARY NULL:
On today's program, we'll be continuing with the ongoing series
entitled, "Hidden Agendas." In this series, we are focusing on a lot
of different issues that, generally speaking, are kept from the
Public. In other words, we are told one thing .... whether it be
that our genetically-altered crops are safe, and therefore, require
no inspection and no labeling; or we're told that the latest in
vaccines for different diseases, including AIDS, are and should be
supported by all of our tax dollars, and not to challenge the
institutions that are doing the research -- that they're objective,
fair and honest. Likewise, we've been told that the best medical
care in the world is available right here; that we are the
healthiest people in the world, the longest-lived people in the
world; that we have it all. 

Now, how is it then, that we can reconcile the fact that this
eight-hundred-billion-dollar-a-year industry has NOT been able 
to tame a SINGLE major disease?  There has been no statistically
significant reduction in arthritis, cancer, AIDS and any other
condition that debilitates, including mental illnesses. To the
contrary -- they are escalating. And yet, no one seems to be paying
attention to their words not matching their deeds. As a result, we
feel that there ARE agendas that should be explored.

In the last two programs, I was focusing specific attention on the
fact that many people have been exposed to contaminants, including
low-level radiation and live cancer cell injections; these they 
were not informed of, and no one did follow-up studies. We do not
know enough about the immune system to know whether or not a person
exposed to low-level radiation or cancerous tissue, or if viruses 
that were in that cancerous tissue could have some long-term effect. 
Yet, they give us assurances that, firstly: no such [secret 
experimental] studies were done.  Wrong! There are documents that 
prove otherwise.  Secondly: if they were done, no harm came to people. 
Wrong again!  We can establish that nine million people have died 
from low-level radiation exposure in the last forty-five years.

After yesterday's program, a professor at one of the leading
universities in the New York area called my office. I was just coming
into the office when I heard him on my answering machine. He said:

   "Well, once again you have taken one isolated example of one 
    person, and you've tried to show that this is common in the
    Scientific Establishment. Speaking as a researcher with a
    respected institution, I can assure you that these major 
    institutions would not engage in any such kind of activity, 
    nor have they done so in the past."

Really?  Today's program is devoted to this person and the
institution where he has researched. He will find something out
about his institution and the history of research done there. Until
recently, few of us would have believed that our own Government
would pay respected scientists at leading academic institutions to
conduct harmful medical experiments on human subjects; few of us
would have believed that the Military regularly uses American
soldiers as human guinea pigs; few of us would have believed that 
Government officials prey on subjects who have few resources to
refuse such testing: poor people, service people, the terminally
ill, prisoners.  It would have been even more difficult to imagine
that the Government DELIBERATELY exposed the Public to open-air
contaminants DESIGNED for chemical and biological warfare. 

However, with growing Public awareness of Government corruption,
profiteering, vested interests and cover-ups, many Americans would
not be too surprised to learn that experiments such as these WERE
conducted throughout the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies,
eighties, and are ongoing. Those like this gentleman calling
yesterday -- who cynically shrug their shoulders with a we-don't-
believe-it, or a what-else-is-new attitude -- may not be aware that
experiments such as these are not isolated events of the past, but
rather, they continue to provide the modus operandi for MOST of
Science and for MOST of Medicine in this country today.

Today I'd like for you to think for a moment about chemotherapy,
radiation, unproven surgical techniques, programs in mass-
vaccination, and ask: If you had been so open to accepting both the
benefit of these and the lack of toxicity of these, have you been
equally concerned about asking for the documentation -- the hard
data, and then looking at the epidemiological evidence to see if 
it is born out by what is [the actual results]? 

I'm going to document, today and for the next few days, how we 
are routinely exposed to human experimentation by this nation's
Scientific and Medical communities, and by the Government and the
Military. In my personal opinion, the results of these experiments
and the minds that conceived them are comparable to the human
experiments conducted in dictator-controlled Third World countries
and in Nazi concentration camps by people of that ilk.

Dozens, hundreds of physicians, thousands of people, including
scientists, have been involved in these experiments. I have
interviewed many of them. Some of them revealed the weaknesses in
their character and judgment. Others, to this day, still deny that
they were anything but ethical, legal and moral. Because they felt
that as long as something advances the body of scientific
knowledge, then ALL means should be justified toward that end.

I'll explore experimentation conducted by different agencies -- 
in particular, the Atomic Energy Commission which is now part of 
the Department of Energy -- as well as the more subtle forms of
experimentation that pervade the practice of Medicine today. The
massive skill with which these experiments were undertaken
necessitated the participation of vast numbers of people in
Medicine, Media, bureaucracies and the scientific institutions.
Administrators, scientists, planners and academics had to be
willing participants. In fact, many of this nation's most
prestigious universities were, and continue to be involved, in 
one way or another. The basic judgment, that in the interest of
science human beings are dispensable, had to be accepted
unconditionally by all participants in the experiments. From the
biologists examining the slides to the doctors administering the
radiation to the peer reviewers who read and published the results
of each experiment -- all had to be able, in absolute accord, to
accept that THEIRS was the objective and ethical consideration.
Otherwise, they could have deemed these studies inappropriate.
Accordingly, when one looks merely at the experiments conducted
over the last forty years, literally thousands of people had to
have been involved.  Not ONE SINGLE WORD has come from these people
to take responsibility for their actions. NO major mainstream media
has ever exposed these. Information about these experiments became
available only with a great deal of effort on the part of myself
and a few other investigative reporters for different publications:
MOTHER JONES Magazine, THE VILLAGE VOICE -- over the past several years.
                       (to be continued)
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           John DiNardo

If we seriously listen to this "God within us" ["conscience",
if you will], we usually find ourselves being urged to take the
more difficult path, the path of more effort rather than less.
.... Each and every one of us, more or less frequently, will hold
back from this work. .... Like every one of our ancestors before
us, we are all lazy. So original sin does exist; it is our laziness.

                                        M. Scott Peck
                                   THE ROAD LESS TRAVELED


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