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From: edso@watson.ibm.com (Edward So)
Subject: Re: New rules in Olympics
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:04:30 GMT
Reply-To: edso@watson.ibm.com		
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

In article <d=7mq5g@lynx.unm.edu>, blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug14.183551.9995@watson.ibm.com> edso@watson.ibm.com		 writes:
|> >In article <1992Aug14.050219.22066@kum.kaist.ac.kr>, wgcho@gorai.kaist.ac.kr (Wongyu Cho) writes:
|> >|> 2) New Boxing scoring system
|> >|> Not worth of mentioning. It sucks.
|> >It's a little ironic that US was one of the most vocal proponents of this
|> >lousy system, and it hurt US badly.  At any rate, it sucks.
|> 
|> Sigh. No, the US wasn't the only ones protesting the boxing scoring system,
|> just the only ones we heard about in this country.

I think you misunderstood my words.  I said US was a _proponent_ of the
new system prior to the Olympics because it thought the new system would
reduce subjectivity in scoring.  But I do agree with you that the new system
hurt a lot of non-US boxers.  It hurt US because jabs and body punches were
not counted, and it hurt some Asian boxers with an agressive infighting style.
 
|> In fact, probably the only country that >didn't< protest the scoring system
|> at all was the Cubans :)

They came out smoking in every fight, didn't they?

|> r.

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From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Subject: Re: Olympia 2000
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:17:01 GMT

In article <TQZ5RJ@aball.in-berlin.de>, tnt@aball.in-berlin.de (Andreas Jennen) writes:
|>  
|>  Hi !
|> 
|>   'm trying to find out what you think about Olympia in the year
|> 	 2000. Where should it happen ?
|> 
|> 		 1) Berlin
|> 		 2) Peking
|> 		 3) Sidney
|>        4) anywhere else, give me the name of the city
|> 
|> 		  Please send your answer to 
|> 
|> 		  tnt@aball.in-berlin.de
|> 
|> 		  And please answer, and please no kidding :-)
|> 
|> 			  THANX  a LOT    tnt
|> 
|> 

4.1 Saskatoon
 .2 The Moon

How about where it shouldn't happen?

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca
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From: gn17@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Dierssen)
Subject: Whatizit? Coca Cola is it!
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 15:01:45 GMT

America is different!
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From: leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino)
Subject: Re: Olympic and World records.
Organization: Technical Research Centre of Finland, Laboratory of Structural Engineering
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 10:10:53 EET


In article <46382@shamash.cdc.com> paul@svl.cdc.com (Paul Kohlmiller) writes:
>leino@rat.vtt.fi (Tapio Leino) writes:
>>The triple jump was won by Powell(?) of US with a result which exceeds
>>the world record but could not be accepted to be a new world record
>>because there was too much wind from behind. So the olympic record is
>>now better than the world record and someone can really jump more than
>>the world record in Atlanta and not do a new olympic record.
>Is this true? Certainly someone from Finland probably knows more about

Sorry guys. I may have mislead you. If I was wrong I'll apologize.
It is only that I was almost sure to have seen this small "New OR"
sign on TV when Powell jumped his best one. The sign of course does not
prove anything?
But I don't really see any reason why it should not be the New OR.

Most people in Finland know a lot about track and field. This of course
does not mean that I'd be sitting here with a book of rules on my lap.
But you just have to look at the total count of medals in all Olympics games
to notice that we have a very long history of track and field sports behind
us. I am sorry to say behind us, because at the moment it really looks
like our success is only history!?

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From: compagne@fwi.uva.nl (Kai Compagner (I87))
Subject: Re: Ann Marden, Sculling; What Place?
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:24:15 GMT

chavey@jalapeno.cs.wisc.edu (Darrah Chavey) writes:

>I missed the finals of the women's sculling. Can anyone tell me how Ann
>(Anne?) Marden from the U.S. did? 

Ann Marden was 4th, behind Elisabetta Lipa (Romania), who took the gold,
Annelies Bredael (Belgium) who took silver, and Silken Laumen. The bronze medal
of Silken Laumen is an incredible achievement because she broke her leg and
was badly injured in a rowing accident in Essen this spring (16th of may, to
be precise). She was in the hospital for several weeks and was not able to walk
until shortly before the games. However, using an especially designed leg
support that somehow prevented forces on her injured lower left leg she was
able to work out.

Other results available on request,

Kai Compagner
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From: teittinen@sara.cc.utu.fi (Matti Teittinen)
Subject: Gail Devers
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: 13 Aug 92 08:29:18 EET

Hello

Why Gail Devers (USA) didn't run in the women's 100m relay team in the final?

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From: akins@flamingo.cis.ohio-state.edu (gregory adkins)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Keywords: Speaking of fat
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:17:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.230545.24254@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> canderso@nyx.UUCP (Chuck Anderson) writes:
>I don't remember where I saw this (newspaper, I believe), but guess what?
>They've found that people with low cholesterol (they mean LOW, like 160)
>are as likely to die at a younger age as people with high cholesterol.
>
>The list of causes was,... interesting.  It included suicide, homicide, and
>then normal things, like cancer, etc.  How do you suppose low blood serum
>cholesterol makes one more susceptible to homicide?
>
>What'll they prove with staistics next?
>
This may be completely wrong, but from what I understand, the body
needs cholesterol to properly fire synapse.  Consequently, if
one has too low of a cholesterol count it can physiologically
affect one's mental state.

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From: astley@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (Tim Astley)
Subject: Help finding medal winners
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:08:08 GMT

Hi fellow netters, I was wondering if you could help me out. I am trying to
find out all the medal winners in the Olympics. I have most of them but a
few holes (due to the local paper not printing some results)

What I need are All the ARCHERY results

ATHLETICS : Women's 3000m, Javelin and Heptathlon
CYCLING : basically all medal winners would be good -- I have some but..
DIVING : all men's and women's platform
EQUESTRIAN : both jumping and both 3-day event winners
FENCING : both foil and womes's team foil
GYMNASTICS : all men's winners, women's team and women's all round ind.
JUDO : everything
PENTATHLON : everything
ROWING : Coxless Quad Sculls (M), Eights(M), Coxless Quad Sculls (W)
SHOOTING : Running Target (M), Skeet (Mixed)
SWIMMING : 200m Backstroke(M), 100 M and 200 M backstroke (W), 4*100m
freestyle (W), and synchronised swimming medals
TABLE TENNIS: Women's Doubles
TENNIS: Men's Doubles (bronze) and Women's Singles (bronze)
WEIGHTLIFTING: everything
WRESTLING: Freestyle - all weights above Light Heavyweight, Greco_Roman
all weights

Not much huh? :)
I hope somepeople out there know these results. I need the names of the
competitors and their nationality.

Thanks, Tim
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Xref: sparky rec.sport.olympics:4267 soc.culture.british:11452
From: Robert.Evans@cm.cf.ac.uk (Robert Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Why only ONE british olympic team
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:37:27 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, WALES, UK.

In article <1992Aug10.192629.2785@leland.Stanford.EDU>, cheshire@cs.stanford.edu (Stuart Cheshire) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug10.151533.626@cm.cf.ac.uk> Robert Evans,
|> Robert.Evans@cm.cf.ac.uk writes:
|> >"God who made the mighty make the mightier yet" (blasphemy and
|> imperialism).
|> 
|> I know sentences don't HAVE to make sense, but my guess is that the word
|> should be "thee" not "the".
Yes, thanks, they should have been.  Perhaps something intervened to stop me
typing a blasphemy... spooky!!.  (Or perhaps I'm just a careless typist).
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From: aitken@cs.cornell.edu (William E. Aitken)
Subject: Re: Olympia 2000
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 04:56:09 GMT

In article <TQZ5RJ@aball.in-berlin.de> tnt@aball.in-berlin.de (Andreas Jennen) writes:
> 
> Hi !
>
>  'm trying to find out what you think about Olympia in the year
>	 2000. Where should it happen ?
>
>		 1) Berlin
>		 2) Peking
>		 3) Sidney
>       4) anywhere else, give me the name of the city

	As long as you are running a staw poll, you might as well
list all 9 of the current official candidates, 

	1) Beijing
	2) Belgrade  (Last I heard they hadn't been officially dumped,
		      but I imagine this is just a matter of time)
	3) Berlin
	4) Brasilia
	5) Istanbul
	6) Manchester
	7) Milan
	8) Sydney
	9) Tashkent

	Incidentally, the real decision won't be made till next September.
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From: ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: Arrogance and the Olympics
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:07:42 GMT
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science at LLNL

In article <og7ubpk@fido.asd.sgi.com> shankar@sgi.com (Shankar Unni) writes:
>The pole vault and gymnastics are two of the marquee events of the
>games (read: telegenic), so they get shown, too.

It's interesting how things like this change.  Gymnastics was far
from a "marquee" event among American viewers until Olga Korbut
caught the attention of the country in 1972.  Before then it was 
ignored as much as any other sport that Americans were lousy at.
Does anybody remember a single thing about the gymnastics competition
in Mexico City in 1968?

Ed
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From: rlewis@muskwa.ucs.ualberta.ca (Robert Lewis)
Subject: Re: All that fat
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:14:51 GMT

tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:

>Speaking of fat in your diet: why is it that we all know that
>fat is bad for your heart? I ask this because I have an English
>Cookbook that practically oozes lard out of every recipe.

>Yet the british seem to life lives longer than we mere mortals.

Actually the British have an extremely high rate of heart disease, the 
highest in the world I believe (with Scotland and Northern Ireland
having the highest rates within the U.K.).  Having seen the average Brit
diet (as you say "practically oozes lard") I'm not surprised.


Robert M. Lewis
Department of Sociology
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
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From: c85perwe@IDA.LiU.SE (Per Westling)
Subject: Re: Yes, Definitely.  Re: Chinese athlets
Reply-To: c85perwe@und.ida.liu.se
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden
	<C85PERWE.92Aug5101121@odal24.IDA.LiU.SE>
	<92Aug5.145216edt.105@orasis.vis.toronto.edu>
	<1992Aug13.065106.23240@news.iastate.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:15:59 GMT

>In article <92Aug5.145216edt.105@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>>In article <C85PERWE.92Aug5101121@odal24.IDA.LiU.SE> c85perwe@und.ida.liu.se writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug5.030111.23552@news.uakron.edu> r2yg@vax1.cc.uakron.edu (Yuehua Guo) writes:
>>[......]  
>>>   swimmers. They won 3 silvers and one bronze there. As a matter of fact,
>>>   I was a little disappointed that they didn't win any gold medal in Seoul.
>>>   I don't think there was any
>>>   East German connection at that time. So what's the big deal win four gold
>>>   medals here in Barcelona and why it should be called as a sudden emergence.
>>>   I feel the Chinese swimming atheletes made slow progress, and other people
>>>   think it is too fast, which is how people get informed nowadays.
>>>
>>>   Here is a few facts you may want related to the 4 gold medal swimmers:
>>>
>>>Just one question:  If one subtract the East Germans from the '88
>>>Olympics, would China have taken any more medals then?  Better medals?
>
>  In swimming, Outto (?) won all of the gold medals except one silver medal.
>   6 out 7, or, 4 out of 5. (sorry, can't remember which one.) 
>
Kristin Otto?  The question was really if it was in the events that
China did get silver 88 that East Germany got gold 88.

>>Maybe, maybe not.  I don't remember quite clearly but I think their
>>chief competitor that time were also the US swimmers.  If the East Germans were
>>not in Seoul in '88, everyone's rank will improve, isn't that obvious?  

Maybe.  But some have used the big improvement for China as a sure
sign for "foul play" while I just thought that a big part of it may be
that they were number 2 behind East Germany in some of the events, and
advanced to number 1 now that East Germany is gone.

It would be interesting to see a medal tally for the swiming both for
88 and 92.  Anyone?




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From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics
Subject: Re: New rules in Olympics
Date: 15 Aug 92 04:07:44 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Aug14.183551.9995@watson.ibm.com> edso@watson.ibm.com		 writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.050219.22066@kum.kaist.ac.kr>, wgcho@gorai.kaist.ac.kr (Wongyu Cho) writes:
>|> 2) New Boxing scoring system
>|> Not worth of mentioning. It sucks.
>It's a little ironic that US was one of the most vocal proponents of this
>lousy system, and it hurt US badly.  At any rate, it sucks.

Sigh. No, the US wasn't the only ones protesting the boxing scoring system,
just the only ones we heard about in this country. 
In fact, probably the only country that >didn't< protest the scoring system
at all was the Cubans :)
r.
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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: Olympics Ending...
Summary: Nope, didn't see anything from Moscow over here
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:50:04 GMT

In article <l8b91eINN3cb@pollux.usc.edu> cluck@pollux.usc.edu (Carlos L. Luck) writes (in part):
>Of course that's just a personal opinion, but Moscow with the human panel
>and the mascot dropping tears at the closing ceremony is just unbeatable.
>Was it shown in the US at all? I talked to an Olympic fan and he hasn't
>seen it!! Boycotting an Olympiad is one thing, but denying the viewing of
>such beauty is plain foolish.

Well, I'm sure many would agree that the boycott itself was foolish, but...

When the US team boycotted, so did NBC, so we never got to see much of 
anything from Moscow.  :-(

Perhaps if they did, NBC would've shown more of the Barcelona closing 
ceremonies.  Grr...

Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com
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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: swimming question
Keywords: losing race at the end
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:10:58 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.185327.7043@mcc.com> richter@mcc.com (Charlie Richter) writes (in part):
>In several swimming races I've seen, a USA swimmer has led until the
>last 25 meters of the race, at which point he or she was overtaken.
>It seems like this is happening more frequently to USA swimmers than
>to swimmers from other countries, and it seems more common at these
>Games than at previous ones.  I can think of several possible reasons:
>
>  1. The US coaches are telling the swimmers to get an early lead, and
>     the swimmers are starting too fast.
>
>  2. The US swimmers aren't in top condition.  (Maybe the timespan
>     between the Olympic trials and the Games wasn't optimal?)
>
>Anyone have any ideas about this?

Well...I recall hearing during one of the qualifying heats (probably on NBC's 
early morning show) that non-American swimmers are more used to simply 
swimming aginst the clock, while Americans are much more used to swimming 
against each other because the competition (amongst themselves) to simply 
qualify is so intense.  As a result, most American swimmers go out VERY fast.

As for Number 2, a case could possibly be made for this, but I don't think it 
would be as strong as, say 1988 (which was why trials were held so much 
earlier this time.).  

Helena Robinson
htr@world.std.com

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From: rachele@cs.rice.edu (Rachele Harless)
Subject: Atlanta?
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:24:55 GMT

Does anyone know of the housing for spectators at Atlanta?  Some
friends and I were tossing around the idea of perhaps attending the
Games.  We want info on hotel rooms in general (availability of rooms,
proximity to competition, price).  We are also strongly considering
perhaps renting a house or something similary, if anyone has this
up-for-grabs (we're hoping some will want to flee Atlanta at the
Olympics time).

Perhaps a bit premature.  But anyone have any ideas?

reply via email would be appreciated

Rachele

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From: rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
Subject: Re: Sydney? (was Re: Olympia 2000
Organization: -=[ Curtin University of Technology ]=-  Perth, Australia
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:20:18 GMT

In article <Bsy9Cr.D9s@chinet.chi.il.us>, katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago) writes:

> I think Australia would be a wonderful place to have the Olympics, but
> it would be strange for those in the Northern Hemisphere, mainly because
> the Games would be televised in the *winter*! I'm not saying it's a bad
> idea, just a strange one. 

Sorry, but you have the wrong idea on when the games would be held.

Do you remember Seoul?  Was that in your winter?  Well, Sydney (like Melbourne)
will be held in August/September.  Seoul was mid-September.

> Outdoor atheletes would be most affected, 
> because of the screwy training schedules.

Not really.  They have 4 years to prepare :v>
Anyway, it will be in sync with the northern hemisphere.

> Southern hemisphere atheletes would clean up :-)

Not really.  Australia can already clean up (in relative terms) in swimming,
cycling, equestrian, yachting, rowing, kayaking...

> [Prime time effect/time zone] When has this happened before?

Seoul, Tokyo, Sapporo, Melbourne, etc. have all been held in the same time zone

> btw, I missed the Closing ceremonies. I thought they were supposed to
> announce the 2000 city then. Wrong?

The 2000 City is announced in September 1993.

Rod
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From: htr@world.std.com (Helena T Robinson)
Subject: Re: basketball : spoiler
Summary: More about Grentz
Keywords: women's basketball, Rutgers
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:54:08 GMT

In article <46115@shamash.cdc.com> paul@svl.cdc.com (Paul Kohlmiller) writes (in part):
>Question#1: How many of these players played 2 games in 3 days often in the
>past year? In the NCAA, you often play Thursday and Saturday. All these players
>used to play in college but what about during the last 6 months?

All but one played professionallly overseas.  Don't know how many games they 
played per week, though/.

>Questions#2: Am I just overly upset or did the USA team look extremely flat?
>The part that I saw showed so many poor shots, lousy passing, missed layups,
>poor rebounding, etc. It made me wonder how EUN would do against Stanford.
>At least I think you could have found better basketball skills at the NCAA
>final 4 in L.A. last April.
>Question#3: I hate to pick on the coach but how was she chosen? What has
>Rutgers done lately against top 10 opponents? Or was she also chosen by
>experience rather than skills?
  
Well, Grentz did coach last year's world championship and Goodwill Games teams
(the latter took gold as well).  Note she wasn't the Pan-Am Games coach, and 
that team didn't do well either.  She's well-respected by her coaching peers, 
and the Bell Atlantic Holiday tournament, which she organized just a few years 
ago, is already considered fairly prestigious because she has managed to 
attract some top teams (that is, NCAA tournament participants that could 
beat the Lady Knights - and have at times).

Now about Rutgers...  The Lady Knights have shown their share of flashes of 
brilliance, but ill-timed injuries (particularly in the past two seasons) have 
kept the team from progressing as far as they could.  But then, the game vs. EUNlooked very much like a Rutgers men's game - poor shot selection, rim suddenly 
turning to ice so nothing went down, it just looked too familiar.  :-(

>Sour grapes? Yeah, lots of them. I thought there were several past and
>present Stanford players that should have been selected. I think it also
>shows what the lack of a "decent" pro women's league can do to a supposed
>basketball power.

I believe some members of the Cardinal were amongst the last cut; in one of the 
biggest criticisms of the final selection (no current players).  But then, 
Grentz figured to try and match pros with pros if possible - along with those 
who already had international experience, so that brief interval between 
selection and tournament wouldn't have to be spent teaching the international 
game and its idiosyncracies.

Helena Robinson (Douglass/RU '77)
htr@world.std.com