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From: raj@netcom.com (Roger Lee)
Subject: Re: Judge kills (Was Re: Tour stories...)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:04:37 GMT

In <1992Dec17.062337.4171@sbcs.sunysb.edu> vesposi@csws11.ic.sunysb.edu (Vincent Esposito) writes:

>In article <1992Dec16.130218.9453@iscsvax.uni.edu> dostal2060@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

>We too were told to say "excuse me", especially at the beginning of the show,
>so the judge wouldn't hold a grudge for 11.5 minutes when he/she got hit. 
>However, off the record, we were told that at the end of the show it's open
>season, that way they have time to recover between corps and won't go through
>the whole show thinking "they ran me over, Santa Clara wouldn't run me over!"

>disclaimer:  the only reason I used SCV in the above example is because they
>were the first corps to come to mind.

Well, when I was marching with San Jose Raiders back in '82, there was this
most unfortunate marching judge that was checking out our color guard (you
remember -- the one's with the low cut costumes). Well, he was transfixed long
enough to have one of the Contra's back up right behind him.

Then came the horn up.

He recovered, but the dent in the back of the contra was a trophy that the
contra player displayed proudly after that.....
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From: dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps,rec.arts.marching.drumcorps,news.admin.misc
Subject: Re: A question.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 06:34:41 EST
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knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites) writes:

> It's funny you should mention this.  I sometimes don't recieve posts either. 
> check the group everyday at least once, but there are times when I know a pos
> dosen't come in.  Is there anything I can do about this?  Do the rest of you
> have this problem?  Please post or email me.  Thanks

I get news from a variety of places.  My home system, an MS-DOS bbs running
Waffle, is connected to the Usenet via UUCP.  I connect to 10 or so sites
that I'd describe as "upstream," and another 15 or so that are definitely
"downstream."  I've meandered through the Georgia maps, searching for a
site that can deliver news reliably.  I think I've got it, now, but things
shouldn't be that difficult.

For reliable news, you need at least one primary feed (or server, if you
get it by NNTP), and at least one secondary feed; if you're running
ihave/sendme, anyway.  If your site is not running that (mine is NOT),
then you have to deal with duplicate messages.  Cnews does that, but
Waffle can't deal with duplicates without some help (luckily for the world,
I wrote a history file maintenance program to do just that -- oh, joy.)

Why did the newgroup for the rec.arts.marching.misc and r.a.m.drumcorps
groups not seem to make it to any of the three sites I administer?  I don't
know, but that sort of thing seems to happen all too frequently.

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From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Hi Ed from Vince! (was CD"S)
Date: 11 Dec 1992 17:11:07 -0600
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In article <1992Dec11.151736.23652@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, borden
@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Ed Borden) wrote (CD"S):
 
 
|>thanks ed borden CHROME WALL ALUM
                   ^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ 
Hey, another North Star on the Net!  It was getting lonely out here
in cyberspace.
 
Better yet, I think I know you.  Aren't you "Red", who came to
North Star from 27th?  If so, I haven't seen or heard anything
from you since 1983, when I saw you in Miami.  How have you been
doing?
 
Vince
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From: vesposi@csws20.ic.sunysb.edu (Vincent Esposito)
Subject: Re: Dirty Laundry
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 02:06:58 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.101028.2820@gacvx2.gac.edu> bthomas@dumaine.gac.edu (Barbara L Thomas) writes:
>I'm pretty sure that you are refering to the performance that you did at  
>the Blaine Sport Center.  I was there.  I just wanted to let yo know that  
>depite the inclement weather, I thought you guys did a fabulous job.  I  
>sat in the rain with my boyfriend in the stands while my roommate ran laps  
>around the track.  It's almost a shame that you guys managed to hit one of  
>the only hot days that we had last summer.  Usually, that kind of weather  
>is pretty normal but this year it was unusually cool.  I feel sorry for  
>you having to rehearse in it, but let me tell you that our high school  
>marching band (I help out with it and have a couple of brothers in it too)  
>also had rehearsal that day.  I think all Marching staff must wait for the  
>most awful day that they can find, just so that they can make sure to have  
>the kids rehearse in it.  I don't know.  It might be some sort of  
>psychosis peculiar to band management.  :)
>Once, again, I can only say that you did an excellent job in some very  
>tough circumstances.  
>
>--
>Barbara L. Thomas
>"The World may never know."
>bthomas@nic.gac.edu

   By the time we got to Blaine, we were at the point where we couldn't do 
a "bad" show.  At that point in the season, a show that wasn't  at an
incredible level was a bad show for us.  The Blaine show was good, but
it wasn't at the full level we were capable of at the time (as you can
see from the finals video, we never did any less than an excellent
show after that day).  While there were mitigating circumstances, you
still didn't the see the best show we could have performed that night.
From a technical standpoint there was nothing wrong with the show, but
it lacked the intensity, emotion, and (to quote George Oliviero)
the "Crossmen trademark ENERGY spelled in all capital letters". While
I'm glad you enjoyed the show, that night was an emotional letdown
for us (we got over it)

---Vin---
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Crossmen 91-92 Mellophone/Soprano





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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Adventures in Time
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 13:46:14 GMT

R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu writes:

>In article 1992Dec1.183243.5962@desire.wright.edu, byork@desire.wright.edu
>wrote:
> 
>|>Also, Children of Sanchez was played a lot in the late 70's
> 
>In 1979, 3 corps played it in finals:  North Star, Blue Stars, and Cavaliers.
>Also, the Bengal Lancers played it.  I nominate it for song played by the 
>most corps at the same finals.

Yes, I think this easily the case, although I can think of a couple of
examples where the same song was played by two corps at the same
finals.  (Through the Eyes of Love - 1980 Madison and Garfield,
Malaguena - 1988 Madison and VK, Rocky - 1977 BD and 27th, Caravan -
1990 Bluecoats and Crossmen, That Old Black Magic - 1988 BD and
Bluecoats, etc.)  But at no other time can I think of three corps
playing the same tune.

>|>Also, what about Sing, Sing, Sing:
>|>Cavaliers early 80's
> 
>This is news to me

Seriously?  How can you forget those *great* Anaheim lines during this
drum solo?  The "on-your-face" peel-off in 1980, and the first really
big sequential horizontal rifle toss in 1981.

I always find it interesting what people remember.  For example I had
forgotten all about Bridgemen playing Harlem Nocturne in 1977, but other
people remember it.  I had forgotten all about the parachute in Senaca's
1977 show, but my brother remembered it (and he never saw them live,
only on the PBS broadcast.)

Fascinating.

Later,
Bob

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From: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Subject: Re: Tour stories and the BAC
Reply-To: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:59:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.133745.6937@hubcap.clemson.edu>,
rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:
> knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites) writes:
> 
> >I also took out a judge in 1990.  I am not talking about bumbing him, I
> >am talking about knocking him on his butt!  What a rush!  I had one of
> >my better shows that season because my adreneline(sp) really started to
> >flow.
> 
> When I was little, running into a judge was a big rush, but when I got
> to Suncoast we were told to say "excuse me" if you hit a judge.  Not to
> mention the fact that often you run into them moving backwards and end
> up on your butt with about 5 people on top of you real quick.
> 
> Later,
> Bob
> 
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I agree.  These pileups of which you speek happened in our show a few times this
summer.  We had one contra player that would always fall and start the domino
effect with the rest of the contras.  This kid would even fall in the running
block in teh morning, or even while just walking back to a set during rehearsal!
Geesh!

Two more finals to go!
Andy Combites
Cavaliers Euph.
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From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Tour stories and the BAC
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:37:45 GMT

knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites) writes:

>I also took out a judge in 1990.  I am not talking about bumbing him, I
>am talking about knocking him on his butt!  What a rush!  I had one of
>my better shows that season because my adreneline(sp) really started to
>flow.

When I was little, running into a judge was a big rush, but when I got
to Suncoast we were told to say "excuse me" if you hit a judge.  Not to
mention the fact that often you run into them moving backwards and end
up on your butt with about 5 people on top of you real quick.

Later,
Bob

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From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Fife, drum & bugle corps
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 09:00:45 EDT
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In article <1992Dec8.82018.2194@ms.uky.edu> (alt.drumcorps), wills@nx06.mik.uky.edu (will s young) writes:
>I guess after seeing the parades on tv during thanks giving made me think  
>that there is some groups out there that do this.  I remember seeing one  
>group (I'm sorry, don't remember what they were called) that just played  
>fifes and drums and dresses up in outfits resembling ones used during  
>colonial times.  Anyone know what I'm talking about?  Thought I'd give it  
>a shot. :-)

I know what you'reatlking about, I believe they are associated with
one of our military forces.  I saw them in 1985 at the Constitution
bicentennial celebration in Pennaylvania.  They were, without any doubt,
the best marchers I have _ever_ seen.

Niel

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From: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Subject: Re: "Trapping the Field Judge" (Was Judge kills ((Was Re: Tour stories...))
Reply-To: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:38:53 GMT

In the Cavalier's drill this past summer, two spots in the show come to mind as
excellent judge traps.  One was in Peterloo when the horns and guard did the box
to the four triangle into the solid block thing.  There would usually a judge in
the middle, Judy Tomko at least once.  The next one was in teh drum solo when
the horns did the jazz run pass through on the 50 yard line.  We would have to
yell at teh judges to get out of the way real quick-like.  We didn't do this for
their sake, we did it for ours!  Another great moment in the "Trapping the Field
Judge" game is in the 1989 video of Star of Indiana.  I am pretty sure that Rich
Nicolla, field drums, is the one who is running back and forth in their closer. 
Rich is a large man, and to see him move that quickly, what a giggle!!

I AM DONE WITH FINALS!!!!!!

Andy Combites
Cavaliers '92-'94

P.S.  Lets hear more stories like this, and maybe even some other stories about
judges in general????
From: greg@antizen.EBay.Sun.COM
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: A question.
Date: 17 Dec 1992 17:09:01 GMT
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In article 1gnst5INNh4b@early-bird.think.com, fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
> 
> Quick question:   Is there any alt.drumcorps reader that has not yet
> gotten access to rec.arts.marching.drumcorps?  It sounded like a few
> people had to actually change their .newsrc to get it but that they
> eventually could get it OK.  If there are still problems, please post 
> and we can try to help out.
> 
> -- 
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> M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
> M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
> M     M F       Boston, MA 02115	Merry Christmas Everyone!


I havn't. How do I get it?

Greg



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From: dapack01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Posting problems
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:19:54 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Could someone please help me.  I would like to share a large document with the
drum corps community; however, when I perform funtion CTRL Z to send or
actually post the document in the newsgroup, it does not accept it.  I thought
it might be too long; therefore I split-it-up.  This didn't work either.  I
observed other files or postings and some are quite long.  Can any one help me
with this problem.

Thanks, Don
From: dapack01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: <None>
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:44:24 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

This is a practice posting.
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From: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Subject: Re: Tour stories and the BAC
Reply-To: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:17:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.185628.10302@hubcap.clemson.edu>,
rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:

Blah, Blah Blah...
> 
> Another one of my favorite parade moments was when one of our marching
> tymp players (yes, that's right, we used to *march* those things)
> marched over a cameraman from one of the local TV stations.  They actually
> had the nerve to try to bill us for the damage to the camera.  (If I
> remember correctly, in the final analysis we got an apology and a free
> paint job for all of our tymps.)
> 
> Later,
> Bob
> 
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One of the biggest rushes you can get is when you take out a cameraman in a
parade or judge in a show.  When I was in a parade in Chicago, yes a parade in
Chicago imagine that, There was a cameraman right in the middle of the street
and the rest of the block was going around him since they were in fours.  Since
we had an odd number of baritones, there were three of us in the back row and I
was in the middle.  I wasn't going to move for the world and I smacked him. 
Hard!  I also took out a judge in 1990.  I am not talking about bumbing him, I
am talking about knocking him on his butt!  What a rush!  I had one of my better
shows that season because my adreneline(sp) really started to flow.

Later,
Andy Combites
Cavaliers '92-'94
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Tuesday, 15 Dec 1992 19:01:01 EST
From: <IO81373@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Tour stories and the BAC
 <1992Dec14.053207.28906@newstand.syr.edu>

THE FOLLOWING IS POSTED BY JAMES A MARSH, WHO IS NOT
IO81373 @ MAINE.maine.edu AS SHOWN ABOVE.
I just happen to be generous enough to let him use my stinkin' account.

   Tell 'em, Jim-

You're certainly right!  Being bad ass is the biggest rush.
'90 was my second year with the Crusadersand they had already
been on the decline toward being a bando corps for a while.
As a matter of fact I was one of those Contras who pummelled
you.  And it was fun too.(no insult intended, it's just how
we got our kicks)  We did the same thing to the drum major
of the Magic at a show in Canada.  The difference in this instance
is that not only did the whole Contra line hit him with our bells
but so did the whole Bari line. (that's thirteen whacks on the
knee for that poor fool(he should have known better than to
stand near where we would be marching))
     And what ever happened to horn moves?  I mean hard-corps
moves, not those weak, pansy-ass, poofta, 15 degree horn pops.
 Do any of you remember the days when corps did tough looking,
difficult moves?  I'm tired of seeing bandos in drum corps
uniforms.  Talk to an old drum corps bum and he'll tell you
of pride and respect, individuality and solidarity.  The old
corps like the Crusaders, Garfield, the Scouts  they have
corps songs.  They have tradition.  We are witnessing the end of
tradition as we watch the 'Saders turn in to a Top-Twelve-Wannabe.
Don't let it happen to your durm corps.

-Jim

 (P.S. I (the owner of the account again) have not once been in any
corps, but I think it's time for a FSU (Fuck Shit Up!!) corps to start
kickin' these wuss-ass corps' HSBand Nerds-in-uniform ASS!!  Thank you.
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re:Adventures in Time
Date: 11 Dec 1992 16:58:16 -0600
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In article 1992Dec1.183243.5962@desire.wright.edu, byork@desire.wright.edu
wrote:
 
|>Also, Children of Sanchez was played a lot in the late 70's
 
In 1979, 3 corps played it in finals:  North Star, Blue Stars, and Cavaliers.
Also, the Bengal Lancers played it.  I nominate it for song played by the 
most corps at the same finals.
 
|>Also, what about Sing, Sing, Sing:
|>Cavaliers early 80's
 
This is news to me
 
|>Velvet Knights <stuff deleted>
|>Bluecoats 1989
|>Some top-12 corps in 1976 or 75 ( maybe one of the Canadian corps )
                                          ^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^
Yep, Oakland Crusaders in both years
 
|>Some other big-boy corps(pl) played it in the early '70's
 
Anaheim Kingsmen played it in 1972 and won (also in 1971, but that was
pre-DCI).  I don't know about other finalists.
 
Oh, and Bridgemen snuck in some of it in 1977 and 1978 in their New York
medley.
 
Thanks for jogging my memory loose.
 
Vince
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From: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Subject: Vacation!
Reply-To: knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:20:32 GMT

I just want to say that finals are over and I am outta here for a while.  Four
weeks of "west and wewaxation" before 2nd semester begins.  I hope you all have
a great holiday season, and I will be back around Jan 18.  Merry Christmas!

Later,
Andy Combites
Cavaliers '92-'94
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From: rlmiller@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Randall L. Miller)
Subject: Re: Tour stories and the BAC
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 09:09:47 EST

In article <1992Dec14.185628.10302@hubcap.clemson.edu> rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:
>rlmiller@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Randall L. Miller) writes:
>
>>     I will certainly miss it too. I liked being serious at retreats.
>>     You should see us at parades around Boston :) I love being on the end.         
>And how.  When I was a youngster, we used to march parades in a
>formation known as the "geek killer".  It was a wedge-shaped block that
>would often get unsuspecting spectators marched over as they moved in to
>look at other things.
>
>Another one of my favorite parade moments was when one of our marching
>tymp players (yes, that's right, we used to *march* those things)
>marched over a cameraman from one of the local TV stations.  They actually
>had the nerve to try to bill us for the damage to the camera.  (If I
>remember correctly, in the final analysis we got an apology and a free
>paint job for all of our tymps.)
	
	Last year at one of the parades some kid got mad that he had to
	move so he decided to punch the soprano on the corner of the block.
	He then decided to start swearing at all the people on the end.
	I was standing on the end of the last row. He was so distracted
	at his yelling I don't think he saw me. That is until I closelined
	him with my contra. I knocked him flat on his back. He must have
	been doing this sort of thing to most groups because the crowd
	cheered, including two cops that had watched the whole thing.
	Boy, do I love parades. :)

	Randy
	BAC 91-???
>Later,
>Bob
>
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