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From: ron@syacus.acus.oz.au (Ron Williams)
Subject: Re: Quotations regardin The Devil
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:49:18 GMT

dave mankins (dm@think.com) wrote:
> In article <1992Dec24.013515.15967@wl.com> offordj@wl.com (Jim Offord) writes:
> >The formulation that I have seen(and prefer) is:
> >
> >The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men
> >should do nothing.
> 
> Edmund Burke

"The trumph of evil is assured if good men act unwisely."
	 - me

"In action, even good men may acquire the attributes of evil".
	 - me

Lemme see, must be more permutations....  =;-)

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Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: lucas@teal.csn.org (Rick Lucas)
Subject: Re: History (was: a paradox)
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:14:20 GMT

In article <1h7fleINNrgn@agate.berkeley.edu> chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu
 (Chua HakLien) writes:

>Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
>						- George Santayana

Full quote, from the on-line Bartlett's at info.rutgers.edu:

     "Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness...
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
(Life of Reason, vol 1 ch 12)

My personal favorite:

     "In nature there are neither rewards nor punishments - there are
consequences."
Robert Ingersoll (Lectures and Essays, 3d Series, Some Reasons Why, iii)

How about some Twain quotations?

Rick Lucas (rlucas@bvsd.co.edu [preferred] or lucas@teal.csn.org)
Debate Coach, Fairview HS, Boulder, CO
Teaching others to argue almost anything with almost anyone.

Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ben Scott)
Subject: MST3k! (was: Re: nietzsche)
Followup-To: alt.tv.mst3k
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 92 05:59:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.124224.2791@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> swede@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>"Oh, adjust your sash, Carl!"
>     -Joel, MST3K's presentation of "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians"
>
>Gary W. Olson                   "Santa'll cut ya, man!  Santa's a blade man!"
>SWEDE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU     -Crow, MST3K presentation of
>SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET               'Santa Claus Conquers the Martians'

Whoa - let's not start THAT... I mean, I may be the world's biggest fan of
MST3k, but I believe we ought to keep quotes of it to alt.tv.mst3k for the
simple reason that it's the ultimate quotable show (at a rough estimate,
they've probably made some tens of thousands of wisecracks in the past 4+
years of episodes), and this newsgroup has enough volume without it.

Just my opinion, of course.  

And, that said, a few MST3k quotes, since I'm watching it on the other
screen right now anyway...

"Ah, excuse me, Death?  Where is thy sting?"

"The world is full of fatheads..."  "So I invented diet shampoo!"

"Shouldn't we be carefully placing these comics in plastic bags?"
   "No, we have lives."

"He learned almost too late that man is a _feeling_ creature..." 
  No, wait, better not start THAT one...

Note Followup-To: line...

.                            <<<<Infinite K>>>>

--
|Ben Scott, professional goof-off and consultant at The Raster Image, Denver|
|Internet bscott@nyx.cs.du.edu, or call the Arvada 68K BBS at (303)424-6208.| 
|"Don't tug on that - you never know what ][The Raster Image IS responsible |
|it might be attached to." Buckaroo Banzai][for everything I say! | *Amiga* |
From: farrenko@jomby.cs.wisc.edu (Joseph Farrenkopf)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Words to ponder
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:58:07 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.


"You don't know how much you love your pencil until you lose it."
						Karla Thomas
                                                May 14 1982
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: york@oakland-hills.lucid.com (Bill York)
Subject: Re: Two quotes
Reply-To: York@Lucid.COM
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
Date: 30 Dec 92 11:59:39

In article <1992Dec30.043313.10373@psych.toronto.edu> russ@psych.toronto.edu (Russell Sutherland) writes:

   2. The following quotation is very well known:

      "A rolling stone gathers no moss"

      What, however is its meaning? There seems to be
      two schools of thought, both being exact opposites.

Depends on whether or not you LIKE moss.
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser")
Subject: Re: Clarke's Laws
Organization: Generic American College Kids (G.A.C.K.)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 09:52:39 GMT
Reply-To: slb22@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Seth "the Lesser")
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

offordj@wl.com (Jim Offord) writes:
> -- 
> Dr. Jim Offord		|Any sufficiently advanced technology
> Dept. of Biotechnology	|is indistinguishable from magic.
> Parke-Davis 			|	Arthur Clarke's Third Law
> offordj@wl.com		|Opinions? Those babies are all mine.

Who was it that came up with the following spin on Clarke's Third Law?

	Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable
	from technology.

I think it's either Niven or Pournelle....

Seth L. Blumberg          \ Warning: This posting has been determined to cause
slb22@columbia.edu (play)   \ cancer in laboratory animals.  Please make sure
sethb@ctr.columbia.edu (work) \ that no white mice are allowed to read it.  
    > No one I know shares my opinions, least of all Columbia University. <
From: clc5q@hemlock.cs.Virginia.EDU (Clark L. Coleman)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Last Refuge of the Scoundrel
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:18:08 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department

In article <C00IKH.514@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU> joann@unixhub.slac.stanford.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.015808.5831@quantime.co.uk>, roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
>|> 
>|> "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
>|> -- Samuel Johnson (1709-1784),
>|>    Boswell's _Life of Johnson_, vol. 2, p. 344 (6 Apr 1775)
>
>Its corollary:
>
>The second to last is National Security.
> -me


"The misuse of Samuel Johnson's quote to cover a lack of patriotism is
the NEW last refuge of a scoundrel."  --- Clark Coleman


Just based on observation of how often scoundrels defend themselves with
Johnson's quotation.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: ron@syacus.acus.oz.au (Ron Williams)
Subject: Re: The Quotation to End All Quoting
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 05:58:26 GMT

Aki Taskinen (f35437c@saha.hut.fi) wrote:
> "There can be no new quotes, as all worth saying has already been said."
> 	

"There is nothing new under the sun, saith the Preacher", or words to that
effect. - Ecclesiastes ??:??

"Bullshit."  - Me.

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From: thayne@unislc.uucp (Thayne Forbes)
Subject: Re: Quotes about religion,politics,guns,etc.
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Organization: HomeVax
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:46:17 GMT

George Dibos (georged@meaddata.com) wrote:
: In article <1195@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, mpc+@pitt.edu (Mike Contento) writes:
: 
: Please take your masturbatory, evangelical crap to one of the groups
: created for the purpose.  

Yes please, someplace like alt.sex, where your kind are warmly embraced.

ObQuotation:  On the UseNet, nothing is so benign that it cannot be flamed.
                                              - me, 1992

-- 
Thayne Forbes
thayne@unislc.slc.unisys.com
From: swede@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: nietzsche
Date: 24 Dec 92 12:42:24 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

"The world itself is the will to power - and nothing else!  And you yourself
are the will to power - and nothing else!"
     -Nietzsche, _The Will to Power_

"Oh, adjust your sash, Carl!"
     -Joel, MST3K's presentation of "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians"

Gary W. Olson                   "Santa'll cut ya, man!  Santa's a blade man!"
SWEDE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU     -Crow, MST3K presentation of
SWEDE@DRYCAS.BITNET               'Santa Claus Conquers the Martians'
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: ecaxron@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Graham)
Subject: Re: The Quotation to End All Quoting
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 30 Dec 1992 10:09 EST  

In article <1992Dec30.055826.22270@syacus.acus.oz.au>, ron@syacus.acus.oz.au 
     (Ron Williams) writes...

>"Bullshit."  - Me.

Now, that's profound.  May I quote you on that?  Oh, may I?  I know you have
spared your trademark for thousands upon thousands of others, and that's just
people in Cleveland.  :-)

Now, others might have skirted around the issue, using words such as "feces,"
"excrement," "defecation," or even "cow poopy steppage," but your quote is
more elegant.  Short, sweet and to the point.  That's what quotes are for.

Looking forward to permission to use this one,

RG (:-))

"That's it then!  Cancel the kitchen scraps for lepers and orphans; no more
 merciful beheadings; and call off Christmas!"
 -  Sheriff of Nottingham, "Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves"
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: twlh6@isuvax.iastate.edu (randy kennedy)
Subject: Re: if at first you [do|don't] succeed...
Reply-To: twlh6@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 18:07:36 GMT

In article <SVEN.92Dec23103536@betty.cs.widener.edu>, sven@cs.widener.edu (Sven M Heinicke) writes:
>In article <Bzp1wM.CG@magoo.uucp> jaw@magoo.uucp (Jeff Weisberg) writes:
>
>   If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.
>		   --Unk.
>
>"If at first you do succeed---try to hide your astonishment."
>	 --Harry F. Banks
>
"If at first you succeed -------- don't let your boss know or he will expect it
all the time.
       -- from a friend 

"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seeds."
        -- the 3 stooges
>
>--
>Sven Heinicke <sven@cs.widener.edu>
RANDY KENNEDY               |I'M EATING PIZZA, WHAT ARE YOU DOING???????
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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Re: if at first you [do|don't] succeed...
Date: 24 Dec 92 00:39:57 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Dec23.204617.28413@cas.org>,
kxh26@cas.org writes:
> twlh6@isuvax.iastate.edu (randy kennedy) writes:
> > sven@cs.widener.edu (Sven M Heinicke) writes:
> > >jaw@magoo.uucp (Jeff Weisberg) writes:
> > >
> > >   If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.
> > >		   --Unk.
> > 
> > "If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seeds."
> >         -- the 3 stooges

"If at first you don't suck seed, try drier grain."
-- Frank Muir or Denis Norden

> "If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your thing."
>         -- Warren Miller

Who?

"If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style."
-- Quentin Crisp, in a questionnaire from
   the Sunday Correspondent Magazine, 24 Sep 89.
   Mind you, it was in answer to the question
   "What would your motto be?",
   so he's not necessarily claiming to have coined the phrase.

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*holoptic* having the eyes meeting in front"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: mgm@world.std.com (michael g moncur)
Subject: Re: Labor Day Weeked / Doug Larson
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:19:17 GMT

prichard@devon.larc.nasa.gov writes:

> shedevil@leland.Stanford.EDU (Anne P. Mitchell, JD) writes:
>a similar one is, 

>   "If all the cars in the country were put bumper-to-bumper, it
>    must be Labor Day."

Here's how I have that one:

"If all the cars in the United States were placed end to end,
it would probably be Labor Day Weekend."
            --Doug Larson

Not sure if that's 100% correct, as it originally came from Someone Else's
quote file.

-- 
~`~`michael moncur - mgm@world.std.com / sysop@onlybbs.via.mind.org ~`~`

Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: enigma@halcyon.com (Matt Luders)
Subject: Re: I like this one
Keywords: Abe
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:17:23 GMT

Margaret Newman writes:

>Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to
>see it tried on him personally.
                -- A. Lincoln


Reminds me of another Lincoln quotation I heard during the PBS series
on the Civil War.  When someone accused him of being two-faced, Lincoln
replied: "If I had another face, do you think I'd use this one?"


==|:)>
Matt

Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: news@geovision.gvc.com (News Administrator)
Subject: Re: Famous Last Words???
Reply-To: pt@compass.gvc.com
Organization: Not officially GeoVision Systems Inc., Ottawa, Ontario
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 05:51:23 GMT

dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>enpnjat@gdr.bath.ac.uk (N J A Thorne) writes:
>| Can anyone recommend to me a good (and accurate)
>| source of "famous last words" quotes? Is there
>| such a thing as a book on the subject??

>Since everybody else seems to be ignoring this request, and posting
>their favorites...

Well, I'm not going to ignore the request.  I suggest "Panati's Extraordinary
Endings of Practically Everything and Everybody" Charles Panati, ISBN
0-06-055181-X (or 0-06-096279-8 for the paperback).  Harper and Row, New
York.  It's the only book I've seen with a good collection of "famous last
words".  Inspite of the good concept, it was actually a disappointing book -
not as good as his other book "Extraordinary Origins of Everyday Things".

-- 
I'm the News Administrator at this site, and you're not!
I just administer the news, I don't make or state policy.
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Truth
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 07:17:55 GMT

ludwigj@CS.ColoState.EDU (Vilkata (Joe Ludwig)) writes:
>"There are three stories here:  mine, yours, and the truth."
>  -I dunno

The latest Extreme CD is called III Sides to Every Story and has three
"sides" on it (actually just song group divisions, since a CD has only
one side).  The sides are called Yours, Mine, and The Truth.  However,
I've heard it before that.

"There are two sides to every divorce:  mine and shithead's."
           -- Lotsa people
-- 
Conservative, n: a statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as
distinguished from a Liberal who wishes to replace them with others.
From: js@phil.ruu.nl (Jeroen Scheerder)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Corny Quotes...
Keywords: Get A Life!
Date: 22 Dec 92 14:58:47 GMT
Reply-To: Jeroen.Scheerder@phil.ruu.nl
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands

They Drew First Blood.
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: solon@csulb.edu (Todd Allaria)
Subject: Re: a pesky quote
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:40:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.224130.3512@mprgate.mpr.ca> duncan@mpr.ca (Nick Duncan) writes:

>> Who said: "An unexamined life is not worth living." ???
>>
>> This has been bugging me for a while.
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

It was made by Socrates

Todd
From: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk (Michael!)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: It's *that* time of year....
Date: 22 Dec 92 12:04:52 GMT
Reply-To: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk
Organization: Magic Michael's Mushroom Factory.

So does anybody have any seasonal quotes/quotations?

Michael
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Einstein
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:53:10 GMT

daveo) writes:
>
>	My sense of God is my sense of wonder about the universe.
>				- Albert Einstein (attributed)
>
	World's biggest wonder: Compound interest (Al Einstein)
--
___________________________________________
Happiness, dear Phaedrus, is a passed pawn!
From: haavardf@gluon.uio.no (Haavard Fosseng)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Re: War and Politics (Was Re: Slick Willie)
Date: 29 Dec 92 12:39:02 GMT
	<riouxp.725093921@iros1>
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway

In article <riouxp.725093921@iros1> riouxp@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Pierre Rioux) writes:

	   How do you govern a country which has 246 different kinds of cheese?
		   -- Charles De Gaulle
   --
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    | Pierre@phaze.CAM.ORG    |   I live a tale, told by an idiot, full of   |
    | riouxp@iro.umontreal.ca |   sound and fury, ... ...                    |
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On ne peut rassembler les Francais que sous le coup de la peur. 
On ne peut  pas rassembler a froid un pays qui compte 265 
specialites de fromages.




H}vard Fosseng
From: Catherine.Collingwood@launchpad.unc.edu (Catherine Collingwood)
Newsgroups: alt.quotations
Subject: Re: Bathroom Graphiti
Date: 27 Dec 92 01:28:38 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service

in two different handwritings:

#1 Roses are red,
   Violets are blue,
   Sugar is sweet,
   And so are you.

#2 The roses are dying;
   The violets are dead.
   The sugar is lumpy,
   And so is your head.


the one and only Lady Firebird
who on some days is Catherine...
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Newsgroups: alt.quotations
From: schrey@oak.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Timothy M. Schreyer)
Subject: Re: Elwood Quote
Reply-To: schrey@prc.unisys.com
Organization: Paramax Systems
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:52:16 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.180706.18829@gvl.unisys.com>, jess@gvlf4-v.gvl.unisys.com (Jess Nadel) writes:
|> It's 106 miles to Chicago,
|> We got a Full tank of gas,
|> Half a pack of cigarettes,
|> It's dark
|> And we're wearing sunglasses.
|> 
|>               -Elwood Blues 
|> 
     Hit It!
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
From: jen@ms.uky.edu (Jennifer B. Burch)
Subject: Re: Brother Jed on Usenet!
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 22:44:13 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

dweinste@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Weinstein) writes:

|Brother Jed is in the process of getting an account, and should be
|on the net and posting to alt.brother-jed in the near future.

|--Dave ("Should we warn alt.flame") Weinstein

|-- 
|Dave Weinstein
|Internet: dweinste@gnu.ai.mit.edu
|"Wives have no sympathy for Rugby injuries." -- Dan Smith

I wonder if he will also be posting to alt.homosexual alt.satanism etc.

Jen
From: joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller)
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
Subject: Re: Brother Jed on Usenet!
Date: 2 Jan 93 00:42:25 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

jen@ms.uky.edu (Jennifer B. Burch) writes:
>dweinste@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Weinstein) writes:

>|Brother Jed is in the process of getting an account, and should be
>|on the net and posting to alt.brother-jed in the near future.

>I wonder if he will also be posting to alt.homosexual alt.satanism etc.

perhaps. but not for very long, one way or another.

josh
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
Subject: Re: Brother Jed on Usenet!
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Date: 31 Dec 92 22:03:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1hvde4INN2cc@life.ai.mit.edu>, dweinste@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Weinstein) writes:
> Brother Jed is in the process of getting an account, and should be
> on the net and posting to alt.brother-jed in the near future.

Death of the net predicted! ;-)  Film at 11!

All right!  The Jedmeister!  The Jedinator!  Jed-a-ramma!  Up close and
in your face!  Jedareeno!  Jed!  Make'en a posting!

Jed!  Come to Pitt!  Sinners galore await you!

Terry "The Terrymeister" Wood
From: bediger@teal.csn.org (Bruce Ediger)
Subject: Copy of "Paper I wrote for speech class"?
Summary: I missed it and I would like a copy
Organization: Wesson Oil Tag Team Wrestling, Inc
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 22:33:21 GMT


Would it be possible for someone to email me a copy of the "Paper I wrote
for Speech Class"?  I seem to have joined this discussion too late to figure
out what the current argument is about, and that paper seems to be the
basis of it.

Yours truly,
Bruce Ediger
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
From: dwivian@helena.stat.uga.edu (Dwivian Unterschreiber)
Subject: Re: A paper I wrote for a speech class
Organization: UGA Statistics Department
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:12:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.174147.21047@samba.oit.unc.edu> 
  danielg@med.unc.edu (Daniel G. Sinclair) writes:

>i.e. if there are other
>ways to God, then Christ was a bit of an idiot to needlessly die a
>horrible death.  Why didn't he just point us to Tao?  Perhaps you are

I think he tried...stupid barbarians killed him for it, too.

>familiar with this argument.  You must admit, however, that the
>exclusivity of the gospel (Jesus the only way) *is* a doctrine that is
>clear and uncontested in the Christian scriptures, yes?  Also, you seem to

I note that Christ is quoted as saying "No one comes to the Father
except through me." in the book of John.  Does this mean that the only
way to 'Heaven' is to have faith that Christ was a son of God?  I
also am a son of God.  If I believe in my relationship with God as 
a child of his, subject to his rules and also his love, why should 
belief in my brother Y'shua have any bearing?

>think that other religions are older.  However, don't forget that
>Christianity is actually the Jewish religion continued - Jesus being the
>Jewish Messiah and all, so please include the Jewish heritage of
>Christianity when estimating the age of the faith.


We must also allow Islam in this example, as it is also based in the 
Jewish heritage.  And, what of Judaism?  It is also this old.  No,
Christ is a relatively recent development, just as Muhammed is.
Nice message, though.  It's a shame what Paul did to it.

-- 
Dwivian Unterschreiber           |              dwivian@marie.stat.uga.edu
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   I'm a stealth .signature virus!  Copy me into your .sig quietly!
                                                                        )
From: kenh@leps5.phys.psu.edu (Ken Hornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.brother-jed
Subject: Re: A paper I wrote for a speech class
Date: 22 Dec 1992 04:12:35 GMT
Organization: Penn State, Laboratory for Elementary Particle Science

Please, guys ... CAN WE TAKE THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE???

--Ken
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