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From: cjf49655@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chuck)
Subject: Re: Marijuana Effects
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:38:01 GMT
Keywords: Marijuana Effects

chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger) writes:

>The active ingredient (besides nicotine) in menthol cig's is mentholyptus 
>(sp?).  The same thing can be found in various cough drops.  It's a 
>pain-killer.  That's the reason a menthol gives a 'cool' feeling (I wouldn't 
>call it cool, I'd call it disgusting, but..).  The reason menthol cigarettes 
>are bad for you is because (if you smoke them regularly), they mask the pain 
>caused by smoking.  If you're going to smoke cigarettes, just smoke regular 
>ones; so you'll know when you're smoking too much.


>-- 
>Chad Helfenberger
>(chelf@lunatix.uucp) 

actually i think the "active" ingredient(actually its more the tasty ingredient)
in menthol cigarettes is, oddly enough, menthol, which is an extract of mint.
how bout that.
mentholyptus is Hall's trade name for a combination of menthol and eucalyptus
oil.


-- 
Chuck Falzone
cjf49655@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
From: cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton)
Subject: Re: Season of the .. Sneeze..
Organization: t.b, t.p.d, & a.d
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:55:14 GMT

Steve Dyer (dyer@spdcc.com) wrote:
: 
: Seldane is the non-sedating antihistamine terfenadine.  It doesn't have
: "lethal effects on the liver"; rather, it is substantially metabolized
: by the liver, and when given with drugs such as the antifungal
: ketoconazole or the antibiotic erythromycin, which inhibit
: terfenadine's metabolism, the drug can accumulate and reach levels

Thanks, and I stand corrected.  For some reason I had thought that 
Seldane had a different chemical name and I obviously remembered
the form of the hazard wrong as well.  Glad I didn't make more of a
fool of myself than I did.
  -- Clifton

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From: ap.2187@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: [anonymous] alt.drugs - mushroom growing problem
Keywords: anonymous
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:11:53 GMT
Reply-To: ap.2187@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu


please post the following article to alt.drugs and title it "mushroom 
growing problem"

I am wondering if anyone else has tried the rice cake method of growing
mushrooms and has had similar problems to mine (and hopefully knows
what to do about it).  I followed the directions given in an article
several months ago. (mid-August) and was quite excited when 4 out of 5
jars had uncontaminated white fluffy growth permeating the medium.
(several weeks later)  Unfortunately, there has never been anything
resembling stringy fibers which was the signal to give the jars some
light.  I am wondering if I have done something obviously wrong, or if
this method isn't as foolproof as using different mediums for different
stages.  I still have 2 jars that are uncontaminated; should I consider
transferring the culture to a different medium?  Should I give the jars
light even though I don't see the stringy growth? Should I give up and
go back to having little success at buying mushrooms from someone
else?

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From: josephs@msen.com (Joseph Stroup)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Chromium What ?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 01:37:14 -0500
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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My setp daughter wanted me to publish this and ask the following
questions. I hope that I get the spellings right... E-mail to me
direct would be very welcome.

My setp daughter is very into the health food/home medicine thing. 
She claims that she is taking a product called Chromium Picolinate
200 Mcg per tab. This wonderfull little over the counter thing is
supposed to turn your fat into protien ie: no weight gain etc.
Is there any side effect to this preparation ? Is there any
benifit to it ? What the heck is it ?

Any rapid and interesting e-mail replies would be very welcome.
Thanks to all,,,,,,,,,

-- 
Joseph Stroup          | Still trying to work
                       | and Play well with Others.
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From: sheila@nx26.mik.uky.edu (shelia c kinney)
Subject: Marijuana Effects
Keywords: Marijuana Effects
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 05:32:47 GMT

  a question:

 Not that I want to know (a friend does :) ), but is it possible 
 to get a better buzz out of marijuana from smoking menthol
 cigarettes?  I've heard, um, my friend has heard that there
 are tiny particles of fiber glass in menthol cigarettes; the 
 "cool" sensation is due in part to the fiber glass cutting 
 into the lung tissue.  Therefore, if this is indeed true, one
 should get a better buzz from marijuana after smoking a menthol
 cigarette.  Is there anyone who has another verification of
 this possibility (I believe "my friend" saw the information
 in an article in High Times)?

     (hoping it's oh so true...for the sake of my friend)

               sheila
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:06:01 GMT

dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:
: >The duration of effect can depend on a number of things, one is how much is
: >consumed.
: >The size of the dose makes a huge difference in the effects. Very large
: >doses are supposed to be psycholytic. Such a dose would be on the order
: >of hundreds of micrograms. The usual sized street hit is from about 30
: >micrograms to 100 micrograms. 
: >You would have to ask someone, who has taken megadoses, whether there is
: >a plateau. 
: 
: 	LSD builds a quick tolerance.  You can only go so far before, as the
: previous poster said, you reach a plateau.
: 	As a matter of fact, it is well known in the tripping subculture
: that you simply cannot trip more than three days straight due to the quick
: tolerance build-up.
: 	Much to the relief of most acidheads, this effect wears off in 
: about a week, and tolerance drops back to nearly nil (for a start)

How does this apply to anything that I wrote above?

: >Unless you breath the drug, you are not going to be affected. Simply handling
: >it is not going affect you. It may be possible to absorb it through the skin,
: >but only very poorly - if at all.
: 
: 	WRONG.
: 	Acid has the sama aptitude for travelling through the molecular
: "gateways" in the skin as DMSO.  Stricknyne, however, does not have this
: aptitude, and as LSD decays (thermally triggered) it decomposes into
: stricknyne (used in rat poison - not an urban legend).  If the stuff you 
: get is normal street stuff, with some age and imperfect storage facilities,
: you are likely to get high stricknyne acid.
: 	Stricknyne has mild psychedelic effects, but not nearly as strong
: as LSD.  If you end up with stuff that has decayed all the way, you will
: have cheesy shit that will cause a MILD trip and not go through the
: skin at all.

LSD does not decay into strychnine (note spelling) - nor is such a compound
formed in any synthesis of LSD. If it did, it would not have any effect on
a person - you cannot get enough on a blotter.

Strychnine does not have any psychedelic effect - at all.

Your whole posting - starting at "WRONG" is a crock of bull.

: 	Of course, the aforementioned packers were probably not given any
: actual proximity to the stuff for a few reasons A) that would be really 
: cheesy storage and b) until about '72 and I gather ed you were mentioning
: some point temporally earlier...
: >

Huh?

Bill
From: guest@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Guest Account)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: hash oil extraction
Summary: extracting oil from leaf
Keywords: hash
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:25:36 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

A FOAF uses a method discussed a year or two ago, in which one simply
powders fresh leaf, soaks it in Everclear, drains off the resulting mixture,
and evaporates off the Everclear, leaving a thick, black, THC-laden goo.
He is not sure how long it is necessary to soak the leaf for maximum THC
absorption- the original recipe recomended a week, but there was no cited
justification for this amount of time. Is a week of soaking necessary? Would
low heat speed up the process? Thanks. 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:39:29 -0500 
From: "Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Explained: Mock Marij. License

This is all very good.  But, right now , people are using marijuana,
which is illegal, completely, and totally.  They are breaking the law. 
A rather big law actually.  What you (or someone) propose with the
license is, make a smaller law to replace the big law.  Probably the
penalty for not having a license while having/growing pot won't be
nearly as big as the penalty for having/growing pot now (if you're
caught).  So my point is, if people are used to years of totally illegal
use, what's going to make them pay 50 or $200 per year to avoid the
lesser consequences, when they've been paying nothing for years with the
danger of being caught with the present laws?  No, I don't smoke pot
much, I'm just totally incoherent.  Does anyone get my point?  Can you
state the idea more clearly?  Thank you very much for your time and
thoughts, but save your flames for later.

-me
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jscsp@acad3.alaska.edu (PARKER CHRIS S)
Subject: Re: Shrooms
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:11:00 GMT

manderso@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (anderson mark david) writes...


>I'd say for your first time don't take much more than two grams... 

Especially if your friend never told you what kind of mushrooms they are, or
how strong they are...

>As far as the cost goes, you shouldn't pay more than $80-90 for a half-ounce.

This all depends on where you live. There are some poor souls which have to pay 
25$ a gram for shroomies. :-(

>$100 for an ounce would be an _incredible_ bargain...  :)

I whoeheartedly agree with you. :-)

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: PVossler@cen.ex.ac.uk (P.J.Vossler)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,sci.med
Subject: Re: Death from Caffeine (was Re: caffeine myths)
Date: 11 Dec 92 11:20:52 GMT
	<1992Dec9.215713.10622@kestrel.edu> <1992Dec09.223056.10305@sco.com>
Organization: Computer Unit. - University of Exeter. UK


Does anyone know if there are other active ingredients in coffee other than 
caffeine ?

Several friends have given up drinking coffee on the advice of homeopaths who
state that the undesirable effects of coffee stem not so much from caffeine
as from other constituents.

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Xref: sparky alt.drugs:19515 talk.politics.drugs:7910
From: ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Sigh...we have a lot of work to do.
Date: 11 Dec 1992 23:37:38 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec9.115737.1@deep-13.gizmo.com>, maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com writes:
|> ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault) writes:
|> 
|> >Why don't they [NORML and DPF] produce & air hard hitting, fact filled
|> >infomercials to counteract the drug warrior propaganda?
|> 
|> Sounds great.  The problem is access.  Try getting a Legalization ad on
|> television.  Public access cable doesn't count.  
|> 
|> The reason you don't see the messages is that nobody will carry them.
|> 
|> The issue of cost is secondary to the main problem of access.
|>                                                           
|> regards.max          

Hmmm ... but I hear that the media cannot refuse to run political
ads during campaigns.  A candidate can volunteer, and as soon
as the filing is made for an election, he can put on his ads!
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From: session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions)
Subject: Re: The ungrateful dead (grass doesn't kill)
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:33:01 GMT

wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp) writes:

>You got it in one. There *is* a lethal dose of marijuana. That's it, that's
>all. End of story. That's all she wrote. The fat lady's sung. There is no
>more. It's over...

>Get the picture?

Problem is, it is impossible to injest that much marijuana.
-- 
Zack Sessions
sessions@seq.uncwil.edu
University of North Carolina at Wilmington (Alumnus)
"Good health is merely the slowest form of dying."
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: MDMA and self-esteem
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:06:08 GMT

aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom) writes:
> Somone posted some of the effects of MDMA and I must say they looked
>rather legit. But I thought I should add the part about the hyperthermia
>induced by the drug. This effect canbe greatly exacerbated by alcohol
>which is also detrimental to body temperature maintenance. The two of
>these combined witha full night of dancing can (and have, apparanlty) end
>in fatality. 

Actually, I did have that in there.  I just forgot that MDMA itself
contributes to hyperthermia and that EtOH was involved...

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: std_mcgill@hg.uleth.ca
Subject: Libertarianism
Reply-To: std_mcgill@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:06:29 GMT

Could someonne e please expand on the conscept of libertarianism for me, and 
tell me if there is anything that resembles it (even remotely) here in 
Canada?  
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ap.5160@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] This had better work
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.5160@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 01:58:21 GMT



I did something completely stupid and was routing all the anonymous posts
to a local test newsgroup here.  If this works, then the anonymous posting
is back on line....

"Drugs rot the brain."
                        -- A.T. Shulgin, private communication.

=) =) =)



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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: The ungrateful dead (grass doesn't kill)
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:23:42 GMT

In article 1gmqdvINNke6@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU, jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier) writes:
>linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden) writes:
>
>>In what sense is a death by over-eating "due to" marijuana?
>
>The same way as a person who dies of internal bleeding after
>being hit by a car was caused to die by being hit by a car.

If you check the medical examiner's report, you'll probably find the
cause of death listed as "internal bleeding" (or medicalese to that
effect.)

>I expect that the person would
>not have eaten so much had they not been stoned.

You expect.  Well then, it must be true.

>That is 
>a pretty normal sense of "due to".

Common usage and technical usage are not the same things.

>A similar sense would be an automobile acident death of a person
>who had drunk too much alcohol -- the death would have been due
>to over-drinking. 

The death would have been due to the injuries sustained in the crash.

If the person had consumed fifteen liters of bourbon, he would have
died from ethanol poisoning, and only then would the death "have been
due to over-drinking".

>I think it is you that has a definition of "due to" that is peculiar.

Peculiar in the sense of being precise, yes.

>Incidentally, the point of the case, both for Le Dain and myself,
>is that the idea of marijuana causing death borders on the comic, 
>even when the results are tragic.

Agreed.

gak

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: oleg@netcom.com (Oleg Kiselev)
Subject: Re: "Drugs" threaten democracy in former Soviet Union
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:37:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.082622.23710@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>He made the statement - several times. He believe that the drug laws and
>courts saved his brother's life.

His brotherwas an alcoholic, not a drug addict, so it's puzzling why he used
this as an example.  On the plus side, when asked what he would have done
different about trying to smoke pot, Clinton said "I would have inhaled"
(MTV appearance).

I am far more worried about the green hysteria that may abridge our rights
in the name of another perceived "common good".  As Dave Emory once said,
"Green is also the colour of putrescence".

>Except, the courts have ruled that physical labor is "unjust punishment".

Which is a peculiar notion, since prison labour can offset some of the costs
of incarceration and is far less unjust than non-consensual anal rape.
-- 
Oleg Kiselev at home			...use the header to find the path
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Need to match drug to description
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:52:13 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.122643.28269@netcom.com> cliftonr@netcom.com (Pope Clifton) writes:

>  DPT, and the higher n-alkyl- tryptamines, are currently uncontrolled,
>though as I said they are more or less covered by the "Designer Drugs"
>law.

These N-alkyl homologues are also neat because they're orally active,
presumably because the bulkier N-alkyl substituents cause stearic
hinderance of the enzyme (MAO) which metabolizes DMT.

>  -- Clifton
>
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>"Have a revelation, the first one's free/Soon to be addicted to eternity" - HMR


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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Interview with William S. Burroughs and David Cronenberg
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:07:48 GMT

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
: 
: 	That's like saying that it was not because his aim was off,
: but that her head was too high.   There is no pistol that shoots low
: at 6 feet, and not that pistol, in any case.  Both the act and the
: excuse are incredible stupidity.

All firearms shoot low at that range. It is the difference between the
height of the sight and the hight of the bore. The place where the bullet
actually passes through the line of sight depends on the sight-in distance.

Bill
From: masc0092@rohan.sdsu.edu.sdsu.edu (Chris Hooten)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: morons
Date: 14 Dec 1992 10:15:29 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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Judging by the number of ignoramuses that have posted in the last 24 hours, I 
would surmise that law enforcement has become interested in interacting with
the newsgroup.


-- Chris Hooten
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"The fools will laugh, but the wise will ponder." - Fortune
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: lamontg@stein.u.washington.edu (Lamont Granquist)
Subject: Re: strychnine?
Organization: 'Operation: Mindcrime'
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:56:19 GMT

mjcrouch@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Matt J. Crouch) writes:
>Maybe i'm missing something.  Why does LSD-blotted doses supposely
>contain strychnine?  What is its purpose (if any).  It seems to make
>more sense to leave out the strychnine since it doesn't seem to pertain
>to the actual halluincegic (s.p?) properties, or does it?

No, it doesn't.

There is no purpose.

People use the "strychnine explanation" as a way to rationalize some of the
more uncomfortable aspects of a normal LSD trip.  I wish they would stop,
because 99.99% of the time its either psychological, or its something very
similar to LSD which is causing the physiological difference in the trip
(N-acetyl-LSD, DOB, iso-LSD, etc).

If strychnine was often present in LSD, you'd often wind up with dead
trippers.  Since you don't have lots of dead trippers, its not often found
in LSD.  Also, since blotter squares are 1.6mg (I actually measured two
blank sheets of blotter) you just can't fit enough on there to have an
effect.  Don't buy liquid, powder or tablets and you should be reasonably
safe.  Stick with blotter, or possibly gel (the chemist would have to
adulterate gel, and its not likely for him to it, and if he did it would
be counterproductive for him to make it lethal and wipe out his clientele).
 
There are even more rebutalls to "reasons why strychnine is in lsd", but
I don't have time to go into them...  read the a.d. FAQ...

-- 
Lamont Granquist  lamontg@u.washington.edu
  "When dogma enters the brain, all intellectual activity ceases."
                                      -- Robert Anton Wilson
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim)
Subject: Re: Chewing Cannabis Seeds ??
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 11:26:56 GMT

jdymond@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Jason Dymond) writes:

>Any comments,  does chewing seeds actually make you go "funny" :-)

Sterilized hemp seeds are legal in Canada (and probably legal in other
places as well--I don't know about this.) The Canadian Criminal Code, while
listing cannabis and a long list of cannabis preparations and derivations
as illegal, *specifically* excludes "non-viable Cannabis seed" from the
schedule.

Well, that doesn't answer the question, I know. That answer is "probably
not, no." Something that can be inferred from the legality of hemp seed.
Such are the drug laws. Sad, but true.

Hemp seeds can be found in bird feed, for instance, and can be bought at
places that sell seed. If you going to eat seeds at all, I think sesame
seeds taste better anyway. (But they're not as nutritous. :) )

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