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From: noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Shameless OU woof
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:16:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.200530.2295@spdc.ti.com>
dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) writes:

}In article <9209041917.AA22885@dseg.ti.com> noonan@icd3 (Michael Noonan) writes:
}>In article <1992Sep4.142655.27936@spdc.ti.com>,
}>dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) writes:
}>
}>>Woof.
}>>
}>>    OOOO                                                        
}>>   O    O                                         |   Bill Dostalik
}>>   O  U O  U          Oklahoma Sooners            |                
}>>   O  U O  U  National College Football Champions |  
}>>    OOOO   U     1950 1955 1956 1974 1975 1985    |  dostalik@utdallas.edu  
}>>      U    U                                      | 
}>>       UUUU        Cale Gundy for Heisman.        |  "Oh, yeah?"  "Yeah."
}>
}>To which I respond:
}>
}>Woof, woof.
}>
}>  N     N                                                      
}>DDNNDDDDDD                                      |     Mike Noonan
}>D N N   N D       Notre Dame Fightin' Irish     |                
}>D N  N  N D  National College Football Champions|  
}>D N   N N D   '24'29'30'43'46'47'49'66'73'77'88 |   noonan@dseg.ti.com
}>DDNDDDDDDD                                      | 
}>  N     N         Mirer/Bettis for Heisman.     |      "Uh huh!"
}>                   -----------------------
}
}Very impressive.  But I was woofing our victory last night, you could have
}at least waited until after *your* victory Saturday!  Of course, ND is the
}only school that can even think about pulling traditional rank on OU.
}
}It will be interesting to compare Gundy/Rasheed numbers with Mirer/Bettis
}numbers.  (I know, the schedules are different, etc.  It will still be fun).
}
}(BTW, I was just counting AP MNC's, of which ND has 8, OU 6, all of OU's 
}came in the latter half of the century.  

Yeah, ND has 8 MNC's from AP or consensus AP & UPI.  The first three I
listed (1924, 1929, & 1930) were the Rissman trophy.

}                                         But, please let's not start the
}MNC-counting thread again.  It is, after all, Mythical.).

Well...ok.  (It might be too late, however.)

I knew your woof was for the victory, but ever since I saw your .sig,
I've been hard pressed to keep myself from posting an Irish version.  
Every now and then I lose control. (shrug)

-Mike Noonan
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: CFPOOL: Week #1 Entry
Date: 30 Aug 92 20:54:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.192904.22032@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>, kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy) writes:
> stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen) writes:
> > Game list for 9/5 (18 games):
> > 	Akron @ Eastern Michigan
> > 	Central Michigan @ Kentucky
> > 	Hawaii @ Oregon
> > 	Nevada @ Wyoming
> > 	TCU @ New Mexico
> 
>      [ other bogus games omitted ]
> > (Don't worry, you'll see more teams from the major conferences once the
> >  season gets going.  A lot of teams aren't playing this week.)
> 
>      Chris, I usually enjoy reading your postings
> so I hate to be rude, but Washington plays Arizona
> State on September 5.  Granted it's not the second
> coming of Christ, but what the hell is your problem
> with that game that leads you to believe the games
> listed above are more interesting?
> --Ralph Kennedy      


Let me take a shot at that. The games Chris has chosen are harder
to predict than the Wash-ASU matchup. Central Michigan, if I
remember correctly, beat Mich St last year. Who knows what will
happen at Kentucky. Hawaii, a middle-of-the-pack WAC team with a
fine option offense, at Oregon [a middle PAC-10 team] is tough to
predict. As is up-and-coming Nevada @ Wyoming, although Wyoming 
will win. The criterion is the intriguing match-up, not 
just big-name teams.

All this, IMO, of course.






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From: acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY)
Subject: Re: Aggies 10, Cardinal 7
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 28 Aug 1992 17:34 EST  

In article <1992Aug27.181438.25125@u.washington.edu>, crs@milton.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes...
>*  It was an unfortunately bad call on that INT that turned the ball over
>   for the Cardinal.  Replays clearly showed that it was interference and
>   that the ball hit the ground.  Hard to say if this is what made the
>   difference in the game though.  TAMU still had 60+ yards to go for the
>   TD drive, and Stanford was still 30+ from the end zone when it happened.

Difference in the game? No.  But it did seem like a turning point.  There 
seemed to be a sequence where Stanford went 1-2-3-punt, pinned down A&M 
deep, then the Aggies went 1-2-3-punt, to give the Trees the ball in good 
field position.  Repeat sequence a few times until the interf..ception.  
True, neither offense was moving, but Stanford was in position to score if 
they could just make a few plays in a row work.

The call changed this situation and changed the momentum (such as it was).

> 
>Cliff Slaughterbeck           * 

R Dendy


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From: pranav@evolving.com (Pranav Vakil)
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:01:32 GMT
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m_henderson@csc32.enet.dec.com (Marty Henderson) writes:
: --
[Many lines of shit deleted]
: 
: Bama fans. Your team tried very hard to give that game away but you still
: hung on to win. One thing I'm sure you have learned by now. Dealing with
: many of the CU fans is like dealing with a woman in the midst of a severe
: case of PMS (Sorry Ladies-it's the best analogy I can think of at the moment).
: They are so daggum tempermental. And what a case of tunnel vision.
: Gheesh. I've only met a few (I live in Colorado) that will talk logically
: about their team. 

  Most Colorado fans can talk objectively about our team, but we refuse to talk
  objectively with anybody that supports the DEAD RED team from somewhere out 
  in the middle of nowhere. (aka Nebraska).   

  Incidentally, I heard that SI ranked NU at 17.  The article said that NU 
  would probably lose 3 to 4 games this year.  

: 
: Husker Henderson
: 

--Pranav Vakil
  (GO BUFFS!)

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From: dnoble@alnitak.usc.edu (Douglas Noble)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Trojan News
Date: 3 Sep 1992 18:23:41 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alnitak.usc.edu

Cal has a policy against prop 48 now.  They admitted two in
the history of the program.  One is succeeding, one did not.
Cal is an outstanding academic university, one or two players
on the football team notwithstanding.  It is clear that Stanford
attracts many serious academics, but I do not think you would
want to compare the three lowest academic admits to the sports 
program at Stanford with the three lowest at Cal.  I suspect
there would be very little difference.
From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: The Schembechler Syndrome
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:49:24 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

Psychologists have long known about the Schembechler Effect: that tendency
to blame referees, weather, "the other team played a game already and
everyone knows that a team improves the most between game 1 and 2 and we
didn't get our schedule right and waah waah",turnovers, the timekeeper,
Ismael (we'd beat them 10 out of 10 if they didn't have Ismael), and of
course, "the only thing we ever cared about was the conference and getting
to play in DRAMATIC MUSIC HERE The Granddaddy of Em All".  All of this
is accompanied by the absolute inability to see the counterpart arguments
for the other team.  A scowl and bark at the press is usually seen too.

Now it seems that this effect is again rearing up and I felt obliged
to point out that The Schembechler Effect is both humorous and pathetic.
Try to avoid it.  If another team beats your team and there's a bad call
remember that your team also benefitted from bad calls, but your perceptual
system prevented you from seeing and remembering them.  The weather applies
to both teams.  Schedule yourselves in preparation for the big ones if you
think it matters.  Turnovers are rarely "unforced" even if they look that
way on one play, and even if they are, it is your team's fault.  The timekeeper
is not paid by alumni.  The sophomoric game of "take away Michael Jordan and
we'd beat em" goes both ways.  And if you really don't care about the National
Championship, shut the fuck up about it then.

And, oh, yes.  Miami is worthy of hatred for on field HulkHoganism, but
criminal off field antics are not relevant to football prowess.
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From: kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers)
Subject: Re: Best/Worse Announcers (Was: Re: Beano Cook's picks)
Keywords: Keith Jackson, Frank Broyles
Organization: Martin Marietta Western Internal Systems, Technical Operations
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:02:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.060417.24447@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> swanson@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Bob Swanson) writes:
>gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>>
>> ... Also, who would you rate as the best/worst announcers?
>
>
>Whoa, Nellie!  Y'know, there's many a fine announcer who could fit these
>categores.  Now, these announcers, well, there's no love lost between them,
>in fact you can throw out the record books when these announcers show up in
>the press box.
>
>Many's the time when the worst of them have been seen stumblin' and bumblin'
>through a game, and, well sir, I don't know if you could say that this
>gentleman is the worst of the lot, but, my, oh my, when the heat of hyperbole
>hangs heavy, when cliches clear the closets in clusters, when announcing 
>aliteration abounds, he certainly can be entertaining.

Ah jus kaihnt believe you can find a bettah kulah man in college
football -- you jus kaihnt.

I'd pay money to hear them do another Texas-Oklahoma, Oklahoma-Nebraska,
or Penn State-Nebraska game.
-- 
Kevin Rodgers				kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com
Martin Marietta MS A16401		(303) 790-3971
116 Inverness Dr. East
Englewood CO 80112 USA			GO BUFFS!
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Subject: Re: IOWA FALLS 14-24, NCSU GETS RESPECT (FINALLY!)
From: mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick)
Date: 2 Sep 92 08:10:30 -0500
 <randall.715020663@seashore> <1992Aug31.063157.29931@ncsu.edu>
Distribution: world
Organization: Vitro Corporation

In article <1992Aug31.063157.29931@ncsu.edu> delarocq@eos.ncsu.edu (DERRELL
EMERY LAROCQUE) writes:
>
>  WAIT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 19TH WHEN WE PLAY FLORIDA STATE.
>
>  THEN, WE WILL FIND OUT IF THE TOP TEN CAN BE CRACKED.

I think that NCSU fans should consider any division I-A team a threat, given
the creampuff schedules they've had in the past. While Maryland will definitely
be an underdog on the 12th, State's record isn't exactly stellar against the
Terps. Last year's game was awful close considering that it involved a 9-3
wannabe against a 2-9 failure.

BTW, good luck to all ACC teams, except when they play the Terps! (Unbridled
NSCU woofing may help to rescind my good luck wish to them, however)
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From: mminihan@inetg1.ARCO.COM (Mike Minihan)
Subject: Re: OU freshman QB quits?
Keywords: Oklahoma, OU, Davis
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:04:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.214145.15037@spdc.ti.com>, dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com
(Bill Dostalik) writes:
> 
> Anyone out there in Sooner country know the scoop on Frosh QB Chad
> Davis?
> 
> Someone told me that he quit OU, that he couldn't handle the
> competition.
> Is this true?  What gives?  I know he was in Norman working out all
> summer,
> spouting off how he was going to beat out Gundy.  I understand he
> impressed
> a lot of folks this summer, some favorably, some not so favorably.  
> 
> It's gotta hurt, the guy passed for 9300 yards in HS.  Two blue chip WR's
> came
> to OU because he signed.  He represented the post-Gundy future.
> 
> - Bill Dostalik         
>                    "Sooner born, Sooner bred."
> 

Yo Bill,

  Yes, he did leave last Wednesday because he felt that he did not have
a fair chance at QB (that's his side of the story). He did, however, show
back up for Friday team meetings. From what I understand, they are dis-
apointed with his performance and wanted to red-shirt him, and HE DID NOT
LIKE THAT. He also has been a cocky freshman and some of the upper class-
men didn't take to kindly to this and told him so.  Gibbs talked to him
and his father and everything is suppose to be ironed out.

-- 

Mike Minihan      mminihan@arco.com
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From: harbinjm@infonode.ingr.com (Mitch Harbin)
Subject: Re: 91 BlockBuster (Was Re: Bama in the polls)
Summary: BAMA beats buffs
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:41:11 GMT

> Not only that, the buffs were in bama teritory in the last play of their
> game in which they tried a 4th down conversion. So, Bama wasn't kicking
> anybody's butt. Also, in my opinion, if Vance Joseph had been the QB
> instead if Hagan ( who was passing poorly in that game) things might
> have been different.
> 
> >In a rematch BAMA wouldn't be so lucky.
> 
> Let's wait and see whether there is going to be a rematch this year. It
> will be a disaster for Bama if they did.
> 
> >	-ethan
> 
> Njan

4 downs and can't make a first..actually the ball carrier was STUFFED on the
4th. down try.  Sounds like a little butt kicking to me.

This years edition of the Crimson Tide is going to be better than last year
with most of the offense back.  A rematch isn't what you boys really want...
it could be worse for the buffs than last time (by the way what are you boys
smokin' when you're posting???).  If you look at the pre-season ranks, BAMA
is in the top ten where's Colorado?

No, I don't think you want any more of the Tide.


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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: The Mickey Mouse Bowl
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:59:54 GMT

While I can't claim to be intimate with all the details of the game (I ended up
awake to see about a dozen or so plays in the third quarter) my favorite play 
(which come to think of it happened in the first half . . .) was when the Texas
A&M defensive back danced about the Stanford running back taunting him after 
the wicked blow he put on the guy following the 7+ yard gain.  Really struck me
as odd . . .

     - Pat
.
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From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Subject: Re: To all rabid Aggie fans
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:22:56 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.171530.18679@den.mmc.com>
    kevin@traffic.den.mmc.com (Kevin Rodgers) writes:
 
>What about their fullback (Carter, #32, I think) who couldn't catch
>anything?
 
This is a fact.  Carter dropped no less than 5 passes.  If he had
caught them, it's a good bet that Granger's stats wouldn't have looked
nearly as pathetic (even if he was bouncing his curve ball off the
dirt).  In fact, there were a couple that could have gone for really
BIG yards.
 
Hey, that's it....Anahiem Statium is a baseball statium.
Granger just had his sports mixed up!
 
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From: jvbutera@grad00.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera)
Subject: Re: Michigan State 1993 schedule
Organization: NCSU Mathematics Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:30:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.225636.10837@zip.eecs.umich.edu> rjones@z.eecs.umich.edu (Randolph M. Jones) writes:
>In article <1992Aug22.213223.16539@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> lhominga@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Louis J Hominga) writes:
>> does anyone know why Michigan State is Scheduled to Play Wisconsin on December
>>5, 1993 in TOKYO, JAPAN?
>>
>>Who thought this one up?
>
>I expect this is the "Mirage Bowl", which is played every year to advertise
>the Mitsubishi Mirage.  The usual formula is to pick two teams from the
>same conference who were going to play each other anyway, and pay them to
>play in Tokyo instead.  I believe the first one was around 1978 or 1979.

Quite correct.  The committee that picks the teams (I was told) tries to
"wander" through a different conference each year and pick two teams.  
Clemson played in Tokyo last season (against Duke) and again in 81 or 82.

-- 
Jeff Butera <> Math Grad Student, N.C. State <> jvbutera@math.ncsu.edu

DISCLAIMER: My views are my own and I'll be a big N.C.State Wolfpack 
fan as soon as hell freezes over.  Until then... Go Clemson Tigers!
From: ENVIRON@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: SI Preseason Top 20
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:38:04 GMT
 <1833l9INN6nf@agate.berkeley.edu> <67505@hydra.gatech.EDU>
 <183n8dINNcrf@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <183n8dINNcrf@agate.berkeley.edu>, flynn@ocf.berkeley.edu (Owen John
Flynn III) says:
>        You may be right. What bowls will be open for the 4th place
>        Pac-10 team now? (Last year it was the Aloha).

     The Aloha went to the 2nd place Pac-10 team last year... What bowl did
UCLA play in (beating Illinois 6-3 or some equally exciting score)?

Brett
From: krall@Think.COM (Tom Krall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Erickson,Spurrier,Bowden
Date: 3 Sep 1992 22:19:46 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In article <67424@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
|> acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) wrote:
|> }
|> }Well, I'm not the world expert on NCAA rules.  And I've seen a few posts 
|> }here which seem to conflict somewhat.  But, perhaps they could work on 
|> }those weekends that the coaches are so worried about them being bored.  If 
|> }working isn't allowed, then maybe it should be.  They could get summer jobs. 
|> }Or money from their parents.  Or loans, or grants, maybe even scholarships. 
|> }Seems to me they have all the same options other students have, and then some.
|> 
|> Look, the NCAA rules don't allow jobs during the season, they don't
|> allow spending money, they don't even allow as many training table
|> meals as they used to.  These players are *not* getting a fair shake.
|> Even if jobs were allowed, why should these guys have to go out and
|> work any more than they already are?  They are putting in no less than
|> 30 hours a week (probably much more) for football already, and they
|> are bringing in loads of money doing it.  The University or Athletic
|> Association is then stealing that money and giving it to the swin team,
|> the golf team, whoever.  This is what we call socialism.
First..^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^|> 

Then,

|> 
|> }Do you propose that we offer scholarships to coaches and team doctors?  Or 
|> }are you suggesting that they should be "student-coaches" and be required to 
|> }be amateurs?
|> 
|> It seems to fit your notion that football has to be played just for 
|> fun, and that participation is its own reward.  Why not have volunteer
|> or student coaches?  That would free up even more funds for the 
|> funding of scholarships for 3rd rate sports, which you seem to think
................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Mark, 
 Did you play any sports in college, or have you always been
just an Athletic Supporter ?

1/2 smiley here.

-Tom


|> -- 
|> Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
|> 
|>      "I love codfish, I love codfish, I love codfish balls!"

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From: jeff@neuron.cs.tamu.edu (Jeff Goldberg)
Subject: Re: Stanford vs. A&M (was Re: ATM Graduation Rates)
Reply-To: Jeff@cs.tamu.edu
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Texas A&M University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:13:40 GMT

>The one TD was actually a broken play that was more luck than anything
>else.  A&M was lucky to win.
Yea, the quarterback was lucky to elude a couple of unblocked pass
rushers, the receiver was lucky to alter his route and get open in the
end zone, and the randomly thrown ball luckily ended up right in the
receiver's hands in the back of the end zone.  

There is a big difference between being unplanned and being lucky.
--
           Jeff Goldberg                        
           College Station, Texas
From: reiher@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Demetrius DuBose news
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 23:02:49 GMT

Courtesy of the LA Times.  

The NCAA committee did not make a decision on DuBose, as the Times
had reported they would.  Now the claim is that a decision will be
made before Notre Dame's opening game, this Saturday.  Time will
tell.  Holtz has been using DuBose lightly in practice, apparently
believing that he might not have DuBose available against Northwestern
and that he should give the backup practice time.  I have no idea
whether this is an indication that Holtz expects DuBose to lose his
eligibility or be suspended, or if Holtz is merely planning for the
worst case.

There's a development in the investigation that makes things look
very bad for DuBose.  The claim is that he took out an auto loan
to buy a new car, with the loan to be repaid in a single balloon payment
some time early next year.  The obvious implication is that he intends to
use a loan from whatever agent picks him up to pay off the loan.  Getting
that kind of loan is apparently specifically prohibited by NCAA
regulations.  If this charge is true, then, regardless of the outcome
of the other charges, DuBose is in trouble.  I cannot gauge whether any 
of the possible charges against DuBose could lead to sanctions against 
Notre Dame.  They certainly might.

By the way, I recently turned up the booklet about NCAA recruiting
regulations Notre Dame sent out to all its alumni, presumably to
prevent this sort of thing from happening.  If anyone cares, I can
provide a digested version of its contents.

--
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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