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From: jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Infinity War
Date: 1 Oct 1992 12:40:53 -0500
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"Walrus and April" (rnmg1200@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) writes:

>Thanos is back in his own again.  [...] I don't think he's "hot" enough to
>merit his own book.

He will be after that two-part cross-over with X-Force and the Punisher that
they have coming up.  (Just joking.  [I wish.])

------------------------------
                             |      As we entered the dark enclosure, the door
Jim Drew                     | slamming shut behind us, I suddenly remembered a
jrd@frame.com                | t-shirt slogan: "Meat is Murder / Dairy is
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       | Rape."  Here I was, wearing a leather jacket,
"Innocent, but not naive."   | surrounded by cows with an unknown agenda.
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    |     I couldn't help but wonder if cows ever
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | avenged dead relatives.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |		- Marc Lynx, "Snap! Crackle! BANG!"
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Sin City was (Re: Image/Marvel "FanBoys"T)M
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:23:35 GMT

In article <BuqBDK.FGI@cs.dal.ca> bennett@cs.dal.ca writes:
>  PS : Can anyone tell me if Miller's Sin City is worth reading. I am thinking 
>         of gettin the graphic novel when it comes out.

Sin City is most definately worth picking up. Perhaps one of the most
underrated (or at least I haven't seen much discussion on it) around.
Masterful storline and further proof that you don't need detailed art
for a great comic. Miller's sparce art is just about right. Color or
more detail would just ruin things.

The TPB also has previously unrealsed art which means I'm going to have
to buy it now. <Sigh>,  another $18 that could have been invested at
university spent on comics. At least I have my priorities straight.

BTW, Sin City has the best closing line or next to closing line) I have
read in a long time. Really great.


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* Craig Welsh                  *    "I'm a few bricks short of a       *
*                              *     load, but a full load always      *
* cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca     *     hurt my back."                    *
*                              *     "Crazy" - Barenaked Ladies        *
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* "Homeboy from Hell." Screw that. I'm the Waiter from Hell.           *
*  You figure out which is scarier.                                    *
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From: grendel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Koschei the Deathless)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Sandman #43 (no major spoilers)
Date: 2 Oct 1992 06:08:01 GMT
Organization: The International House of Secretions
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4


One thing really stood out for me in this issue: Death has really lost
a lot of weight.


Mark "Skin and bones" Lippert 
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From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Subject: Re: Pro-choice Popeye reprinted?
Reply-To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)
Organization: The Institute for Criminal Science, Gizmonics Control
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:41:33 GMT

In <CMM.0.90.2.717560243.mlkenned@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mlkenned@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Melita L Kennedy) writes:

>I remember hearing about the firing of the writer and/or artist on the
>Popeye comic strip due to a disagreement over a story that he did.  One
>of my friends is interested in reading the strips in question, and heard
>that they were to be reprinted in a magazine.  Anyone have any information?

I'd be interested in this as well.  (If there's a sequence where Popeye
swallows a can of spinach, and then beats the crap out of Pat Robertson,
I'll buy three.)

                           "I can takes so much, and then I can takes no
                            more!"

                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
INTERNET:     moriarty@tc.fluke.COM
Manual UUCP:  {uunet, uw-beaver, sun, microsoft}!fluke!moriarty
CREDO:        You gotta be Cruel to be Kind...
                 **>> Keep circulating the tapes <<**

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From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Spawn + WRITERS
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 01:39:36 GMT

 lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>> tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator) writes:
>>
>>Moore is being paid a $100,000 signing bonus for 1 issue.  So much for cash
>>flow problems...
>
>Well, it would solve my cash flow problems for about ten years. It would 
>get Donald Trump through a week.
>
>BTW, has this amount been officially announced? I haven't seen it. 

You're not likely to see it. It's a bit of a silly, random amount. C'mon...

Tanaqui
From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Grendel -- how many issues?
Date: 28 Sep 92 05:09:19 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

In article <rawdon.717648105@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
> In <1992Sep27.184425.1@gacvx1.gac.edu> alecb@gacvx1.gac.edu writes:
> >I know of the B&W 3 issues, and have 1-40, but Overstreet lists issues
> >41-43.  [...]
> 
> I'm pretty sure they were never published.  [...]

Ut!  The original series ENDED at #40.  There were no more.  The new
Grendel series from Dark Horse starts at chapter 41.  Make your own
conclusions.
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: What constitutes a "classic" character
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:47:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20769
Distribution: na
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Sep28.182019.15123@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>I'm not sure exactly if Taskmaster is a classic character or not.  I guess 
>first I have to define some parameters for classic characters.
>     1: The have been around at least as long as the current crop of fans has 
>been alive....  (I feel old having seen Star 
>Wars in the theaters, esp when the 14 yr old in my gaming group misses a joke 
>from SW)

Heck, I've seen Gone with the Wind in theatres, but that's just because I'm
not content with one space-time continuum.

>     2: The character must have been either a: significantly developed in the 
>first few years of his existence (a la Warlock), or have been consistently
>used over a period of time.
>     3: The character must be currently in use or established as currently
>dead and making the occasional cameo in a flashback.
>     4: You have to be able to respect the character in his role.

I'd like to add a collorary to 4:
	The character actually has to have made a significant impact on his
area or role. It's not enough just to have longevity or fan support
(although most good, and thus eventually, classic, characters have such
characteristics). You also have to have one that's made a difference in the
area he's supposed to be in.

>     Dave Van Domelen, "It's easy to tell the difference between Freshman 
>Physics Majors and Physics Grad Students, at a glance.  The former look like 
>rabbits caught in your headlights.  The former look like those same rabbits 
>after a passage of time." - me

	David R. Henry, driving the car that's shining those headlights.


-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
For Kate is a jealous God, and requires sacrifice./What was your question?--K
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From: rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Summary: Endless pets
Keywords: Endless, animals, relations
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:05:44 GMT

	This topic was mentioned previously, but the latest issue
adds to our tally of the Endless' animal companions. 

	Dream                     ravens
	Despair                   rats 
	Destruction               dogs

	Although I know that supported speculations about Delirium's
animal of choice (butterflies?) and maybe Destiny's have been made
before, I can't for the life of me remember and I'm too lazy to check.
Moreover, Barnabas (Destruction's smartass dog) seems to be the first
of the Endless pets to speak (other than Matthew and his predecessors,
of course).  

	On an entirely unrelated topic, did Destruction have the 
distinctive heavy black speech balloons in his previous appearances?
(All the Endless have such nice touches, thanks to the estimable 
Todd Klein.)

Cordially,

Michael S. Rooney
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Malibu vs. Image
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:15:29 GMT

Whatever the real or perceived crimes of Image, I would not want to see Malibu 
crash and burn because of them.  Malibu is sort of an "umbrella" company, 
holding and printing several indie lines, including Eternity (home of Ninja 
High School!).  Unfortunately, Malibu has had to put so much of its resources 
into Image to give it the distribution it "deserves" that other lines have 
suffered.  That and the hentai (fanboy) mentality seems to be spreading, 
virus-like, throughout the entire Mailbu fleet, with things like the color 
reprints of NHS and the 3-D NHS (which bit the concrete sausage).  Image may 
not be the totality of Malibu, but it could easily destroy Malibu.
     BTW, IMO UPC stands for Ugly Picture in Corner. }->
     Dave Van Domelen, "Don't make me come down there...." Ted Koppel as played
by Dana Carvey
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Cerebus #162
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:46:20 GMT
	<1992Oct3.231021.14501@math.ucla.edu> <BvKn38.Huy@news.udel.edu>
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: cornwall@bach.udel.edu's message of 4 Oct 92 00:37:56 GMT

cornwall@bach.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall) writes:
|>You left out the bittersweet one-page by Chris Aubry.  It's sketchy but
|>I found it deeply moving.
|I am so glad that someone else was moved by this. After reading it, I
|honestly was holding back sobs for 30 minutes (at work, no less. Try
|working in a tutoring site with wet eyes...).
|How many other people who grew up with Sesame Street cried when they
|read this? 

I wasn't quite moved to tears, but I felt really really moved.  It's
been a long time since a comic book (esp a one page sketch) did
something like this to me.  In fact, I was sort of disturbed by the
whole thing.  I think it's because Bert & Ernie are a deep part of my
childhood.

I think, quite honestly, that this deserves an award or something.

--
Peace.
          "Any Black man who's educated and speaks articulately is not 
           considered 'really' Black.  It's the same reason people think 
           you're a dyke."
"People think I'm a dyke?"
          "Take it as a compliment,  I've learned to."
                                    -Kyle Baker, Why I Hate Saturn
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-
From: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:24:32 GMT
	<1992Oct4.025935.23358@netcom.com> <1992Oct4.033947.25596@netcom.com>
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
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In article <1992Oct4.033947.25596@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes:

>   In article <1992Oct4.025935.23358@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>   >sherman@deimos.math.ucla.edu (William Sherman):
>   >Critical passage (from Gilbert, in "Dolls House", about Vortices):
>   >"He terminates their physical existence, little bird.  To protect
>   >the Dreaming.  It's the only time he is empowered to take human
>   >life, you see...  It's one of the Rules."
>   >
>   >If it *is* Desire trying to kill Destruction's friends, s/he's almost
>   >certainly breaking the Rules.  In fact, it's not even obvious that
>   >Destruction is allowed to kill.  (And if there is a prohibition, it
>   >would be a poor sophistry to forbid killing but allow dropping a
>   >wall or blowing up a building where the target just happens to be.)
>
>   Wait just a minute. Assuming that Fiddler's Green (a) knows what
>   he's talking about and (b) is not lying (and those are, of
>   course, my asumptions), we know one thing only: Dream is
>   permitted to kill a human only if that human is the Vortex. We
>   don't know when, whether, why another of the Endless might be
>   allowed to kill; we don't know that anything like this rule
>   applies to any of them but Dream. If we saw that at least *one*
>   other of the endless had a similar rule, I'd be willing to assume
>   that it applies to all of them; but one point just isn't enough
>   to draw a curve on (especially with this family).

	I agree.  After all, it would seem that Dream can only kill in
order to protect the Dreaming.  As far as I can tell, we don't know
that the other Endless have corresponding "realms".  Sure, we've
seen Death's and Desire's homes on occaision, but there hasn't been
much to show that anyone has the sort of territorial responsibilities
as Dream apparently does.  Thus we cannot expect rules which arise
from his stewardship of the Dreaming to apply to his siblings.  So
Desire may be able to kill on the slightest whim, or never; who knows?
	Of course, this brings up an interesting question.  Why is
Dream the only one with a realm all to himself?  Maybe he won it from
the others in a poker game?  after all, that's one hell of a poker
face he's got there... =)

farewell--
--
Zeeshan Hasan 
(zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu or skh7063@oberlin.bitnet)
OCMR Box 1529, Oberlin, Ohio 44074. Phone:(216)775-6447
	"I love mankind... it's people I can't stand!" - Linus Van Pelt    
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 16:14:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: What's a superhero? *spoilers*
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc

In rec.arts.comics.misc, 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra) writes:

> Spawn #4 left me cold. I mean, I thought that Spawn wasn't the archetypical
> superhero, for he doesn't bash evildoers, handles evil, and saves damsels in
> distress like any other regular hero fare. I liked the concept of a limited
> life, and the Faustian twist of his fates, and the irony of living, while he's
>dead. But, noooo, the ol' Devil pulls a trick and says that he has two options:
> Bash up on evildoers and die quicker and return to his fold;
> Or let evil run rampant, so he can live longer.
> 
Spawn was trivial and trite from the first issue, and it gets to
more so with each successive issue.  The whole "damned if you do
and damned if you don't " scenario is laughably stupid.

If it weren't for all the pretty colors, and the interesting
illustration, this magazine would not be worth a second glance.
As it is, it is barely worth a second glance.

doug

Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:10:59 -0400 
From: John Hamilton Slye <jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: FLAME: Liefeld Art(?)


 <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>Being Lost Cause Boy, I too know the meaning of people with potential.
>I loved Liefeld's early NM work, and his Hawk & Dove pencils.  However,
>without someone like Dick Giordano (who knows how to edit, unlike
>intestinal fuzz like Bob Harass and Tom Defalco) snarling and growling
>at him to keep up his artistic hard work, he turns extremely lazy in
>his artwork, and presumably, if he had a editor for his writing, he'd
>actually have some consistent plots.  He has potential, but he doesn't
>wanna be bullied into quality, when he actually should have his willie
>shoved into the bore of a 12 gauge shotgun with the threat of having
>his pelvis non-surgically removed if he ever draws people without
>shoulders or eyeballs again.
> 
>Oh, by the way.... FLAME ON!!!!

Ok...here it goes!

Liefeld has never taken an art lesson in his life and it shows!

I studied art history in high school; and so when I see a person drawn,
I like the subject to be in proportion! (NOTE: I don't like 20th century
"art" either)

I loved the drawing in this year's Marvel Swimsuit Issue of Cable, it
was a total rip on Liefeld's inability to draw in proportion.

One thing that made me lose any respect I had for Liefeld was in X-Force
when Shatterstar got a hold of Cable's weapons, and all of a sudden he
has Cable's bulk to go with them??!??

Liefeld style of drawing: small head, big chest & thighs, tiny ankles and feet.

If Liefeld is going to add extra muscles on a character, he at least
needs to learn to not make it so obvious!

Aaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggghhhhhh!!!!

I'm not going to go into his plots (or lack thereof)! X-Force is still
trying to recover of the long drawn out process of telling us absolutely
nothing.

Aaahh...that felt much better to get out of me!

Go ahead and continue the flame...I have my asbestos suit and buckets of water.




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From: dardiswa@cda.mrs.umn.edu (Wayne A. Dardis 1500099)
Subject: Re: Eclipso
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 00:45:16 GMT


Ok, here's some info on the Eclipso series coming out.  The first
issue is to debut two weeks after the end of the 18 part serial
running through the annuals.  Plots are by Keith Giffen, the writer
is Robert Loren Fleming and, Bart Sears and Randy Elliott are
doing the art.  Apparently all the heroes think he is dead at the
end of the annuals, except for Bruce Gordon and one other person who
know he isn't.  The book is supposed to take place around the world
with the first few issues dealing with drug lords in South America.
I guess you find out that Eclipso is not the darker side of Bruce
Gordon, but is a seperate entity unto himself.  It sounds like they've
boosted his powers too (whoa, who woulda thunk it?) so that he isn't
as much of a vampire type person (ie. can't go out in the daylight for
long).  I haven't read many of the Eclipso stories of the past except
for some Outsiders issues and others, but he sounds like a different
character to me.  Anyway, that's about all i can relate.  Most of this
has come from assorted articles in comic related mag's hope it helped.


-Psycho

(Hey David, thanks for the help with the .sig file thing, i hope it
works.)


-- 
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 I'm merely using a friends account, got it?      |views are not those| 
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From: bhotvedt@gollum.uio.no (Tor Houghton)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: A Distant Soil
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:11:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: ArcEmpire

I got a reply from ms. Doran! 

Cheers!

Tor.
From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: What happens when a newsgroup dies?
Keywords: Goodbye.
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:55:03 GMT
Reply-To: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran)
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.; Campbell, CA
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In-reply-to: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime)

In article <1992Sep30.203320.7959@tc.fluke.COM>, moriarty@tc (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
>In <1992Sep29.191600.26112@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Enrique Conty) writes:
>>Someone should write an epitaph for r.a.c.  Preferably someone with
>>more experience with it (and better memory!) than me.
>
>            "It's been a lark."
>
>[Besides, this is rec.arts.comics.  It'll return from the dead.]

It strikes me as extremely appropriate that the last message that is in
my sorted list of posts on the last day of the existence of
rec.art.comics is by the Napoleon of Crime himself.  Probably part of
some master scheme, I suspect.

"COMICS, rec.arts, of USENET, comics-related newsgroup; killed Thursday
after a 'lingering illness' following a palace coup in mid-summer of
this year.  Comics, a highly-popular newsgroup, became a victim of its
own popularity when a palace revolution burst down the door to its
private chamber and hustled it off to a 'rest resort' for
'rehabilitation.'  Comics' place was taken by rec.arts.comics.misc, a
close cousin. Comics is survived by its children, strips, info,
marketplace, and xbooks."
-- 
    Doug Moran        | A worldwide shortage of #2 pencils has left many tech
   dougm@hal.com      | writers unable to take notes or doodle during meetings,
 {...}!hal.com!dougm  | forcing them to pay attention or end the meeting by
 HaL Computer Systems | flinging live poisonous insects at the other attendees.
From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Annotation 31 Revised
Keywords: sandman annotation
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:02:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20840
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

>	We may further note the preponderance of Emperors in the anthology. 
>"August" and this story have obvious emperors, and the chaos seen in
>"Thermidor" would not be tamed until the rise of another Emperor--Napoleon.

There was also the brief mentioning of Caeser in the Destiny/Dream dust-up
in issue #7.

>Wolfsbane and aconite, as well as monkshood, are all names
>for the same plant.  Aconite is an analgesic in small doses, and a poison in
>larger ones.

It's also found naturally in horseradish; and, indeed, until modern canning
and food prep techniques came along, it was not unheard of for a few people
to die every year from eating poorly made horseradish (sort of the European
version of eating the puffer fish in Japan, I guess).

As a really on the side note, Mr. Heinz (of the 57-Varities kind) orginally
got his start in the food business by putting his horseradish in clear,
glass jars, thereby showing to the stunned public how fresh and natural his
ingrediants were.

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?
For Kate is a jealous God, and requires sacrifice./What was your question?--K
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
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