From: GLADSTONE%CSMCMVAX.BITNET@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu
Subject: Re: Dead-Flames Digest #344
Reply-To: GLADSTONE%CSMCMVAX.BITNET@cornellc.cit.cornell.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 01:35:47 GMT

|  Re: more on clinton drugs (Laura Bassi)

|From: wags@cimage.com (Bill Wagner /10000)
|Subject: Re: Dead Citing by Ross Perot
|Reply-To: wags@cimage.com (Bill Wagner)
|Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:28:25 GMT

|In article <1992Oct12.202456.25604@cs.uoregon.edu>,
| jonnyk@pacifix.cs.uoregon.edu (Jonathan Dennis Kirshbaum) writes:
||>
||> Ahhhh, such wishful thinking...  My impression from last night
||> was that all three candidates categorically rejected any
||> consideration of drug legalization, and all intend to up the
||> $$ spent on enforcement.  Clinton's views were disheartening
||> (I was planning to vote for him, but boot camps!!?), Perot
||> is a fascist and Bush, well is Bush.  Ouch!
|True enough.  However, the boot camps are not really what you think.
|
|The name is more fearful than the reality.  Michigan instituted them
|under Gov. Blanchard.  They are half treatment, half incarceration.  The
|main plus is the drug *use* offenders are not put in the state pens.
|Given today's prison status, that keeps the drug use offenders from
|learning the trades of larceny, murder, etc. from the pros.  This gives
|them a chance to detoxify.
|I admit that it is still a ways from legalization, but the emphasis
|is on treatment, rather than strictly punishment.

        I hate to waste keystrokes on Slick Willie, but the above
"Happy Camper" forced my hand.  First, I take extreme exception to the
word -treatment- as it is misused above.  Treatment requires informed,
non coerced consent.  Treatment is for an illness.  When that illness
is mere thoughtcrime, we have fascism plain and simple.  Perhaps we
could hire some of those wonderful unemployed "doctors" who worked in the
old Soviet union's gulags and mental hospitals.  They are well versed
in these kinds of "treatments".  A professor from Harvard once wrote
something to the effect that 'the torture is all the more terrifying
when administered by doctors who are claiming to cure you'.
As people are herded into cattle cars on the railroad, they will be again
pacified with the words " Don't worry, it's a family camp. "
Let's not consign the providers of these substances to the 'pen because
most users sell a little from time to time, so there is little difference
between user and small time pusher.
        Clinton is so dishonest, IMNSHO, that he could go visit one of his
camps for a photo op and a sound bite, and spend that same night
doing lines with his bimbo of the week.
He is so deliberatly vague about so many issues that he could have ducked
this issue if he had any concern, convictions or courage about decrim.
        The only boot I want to see is one placed firmly up the
a** of the morons who propose or condone such drivel.

!!!  The above does not constitute an endorsement of any candidate for
     any office.  !!!
Next time, let's get 'none of the above' as a choice.

P.S.  Bill Wagner, this is not meant to disparage you or your posting.
        Reasonable people sometimes disagree, especially on r.m.gd
Joe Gladstone>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead