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From: garyt@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Gary Terusaki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Media Stereotypes: The Solution
Summary: New Series - Space Rangers
Date: 8 Jan 93 01:29:42 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.

In article <C0I74F.9DC@news.rich.bnr.ca>, thao@bnr.ca (Anthony Murtagh) writes:
> In article <9301070808.AA00541@dawn400a.hpl.hp.com> rw@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Russil Wvong) writes:
> >George Wu writes:
> 
> [stuff gone]
> 
> >>     I think it'll be a cold day in Hell before you see an AA star in the lead
> >>role of a mainstream American movie.
> >
> 
> [other comments gone]

Did any of you see the premier of "Space Rangers" on TV?  Okay, it's not
Star Trek, and it's kinda trashy.  But, bear with me.

One of the characters in this interplanetary cop show is an Oriental like
alien played by Cary Hironaka(?).  Like most portrayals of cops assigned
to the worst districts, he is big, bad, and ugly.  However, he IS one
of the good guys, and in his spare time, he reads POETRY.

He also mentions his training with the sword.  In spite of 
his skill, he is almost done in by the bad guy.

So people, are we making any progress yet?
:)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: mvdvalk@cs.utwente.nl (Martijn van der Valk)
Subject: Re: Updating your kill file (was Re: Why are we different?)
Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 10:44:51 GMT

Thanks Mark,

Dwight Joe was the reason for me to learn about kill files in the first place!

Martijn
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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why are we different?
Date: 10 Jan 93 18:48:45 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan9.205244.17501@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>The typical Chinese-cu have little regard for education.  The people
>from China, who win those awards, come from the top 5%[1] of their society.
>That doesn't prove that Chinese-cu have a high regard for education.
>The typical Chinese-cu lives in the countryside (70% of the population,
>down from 80% about 10 years ago) and couldn't care less about education.
>
>It's one thing to educate _all_ the people (i.e. in S. Korea and Japan)
>
>Being able to educate the elite does not mean a thing for the nation.
>
>Any statistics that you see about Chinese-cu students being top-notch should
>be ignored as meaningless.  What those statistics (including the ones in 
>Scientific American) say is that the _top_ _5%_ of Chinese-cu students is
>better than the _average_ American student.

Wait a minute Joe, you're not being consistant.
Please note that the top 5% SOCIAL elite in China is NOT the same as the top 5%
intellectual elite. Yes I agree the social elite in China generally gets better
education, but remember they too were once average people (before WWII), thus
they are by no means smarter than any other Chinese.
But, even the education received by the social elite in China is inferior to
those received by average students in U.S. and Japan, and yet they (average
intelligence according to Chinese standards) do much better than the Americans
and Japanese. Does this mean: an average Chinese with a decent education (still
not as good as those received by the west) can out-perform the Westerners..
Are you hinting that the Chinese on AVERAGE is smarter than the others??

NW
From: ee52fbc@sdcc15.ucsd.edu (Maiko Covington)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:37:44 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Some Japanese like the double eyes, some like the single eyes. But
among girls, it seems to be people think that double eyes are better
(remember all the eye tape you can get in mangas?).
	Maiko

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: WANTED Open-Minded Asian Woman (from open minded black guy)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:37:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.161315.1496@fuug.fi> an960@anon.penet.fi writes:
>I am the individual who posted originally, and to answer some of my
>expected critics, NO I am not the guy who likes techno and is 24 living in
>Cincinatti.  I am 22, and on farther East.
>
>Second, why does it mean that I am not open-minded just because I restrict
>my request to Asian-American women?  You forget I am Black in the first place;
>I must be somewhat open-minded to have interests in Asian women and to be
>an avid reader of s.c.a.a in the first place.  BTW, how many homeboys down
>in the hood have you seen hitting on all the sweet little Korean and Chinese
>girls who work in the little corner stores in their neighborhoods?  Not many,
>I presume.  While working on my degree, it just so happened that I had several
>meaningful relationships with As-Am women; relationships which were much more
>rewarding than any I have ever experienced with Black or White women.  Hence,
>my request or preference if you will.  If you feel I am closed minded, so be
>it.  However, you couldn't be farther from the truth!
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>Due to the double-blind system, any replies to this message will be anonymized,
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  Well then don't post from that anonymous site because if you read
  this group you'd see that someone who thinks Chinese girls are bimbos
  is also posting from that address, as well as the guy living in
  Cincinatti.  It looks like the address is in Finland!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: SORRY FOR MULTIPLE POST
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:37:19 GMT

I just wanted our Chinese friends to see the post and forgot to take the multiple 
headings off.
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: Media Stereotypes: The Solution
Keywords: mainstream
Organization: Meta - Software
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 21:40:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.194834.1627@hspice.portal.com> I (George Wu) wrote:

>>I think it'll be a cold day in Hell before you see an AA star in the lead
>>role of a mainstream American movie.

     Several people have already pointed out possible exceptions.  I stand
corrected.  At the very least, I would consider Brandon Lee's latest film
to qualify as mainstream.

     Next questions: how "mainstream" are Spike Lee's various films?
Certainly, he's been very successful, but are just blacks and the politically
correct attending his films, or are they generically popular?

							George



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----
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Wonderful Chinese-American women
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com 
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:44:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.142309.11254@fuug.fi> an3879@anon.penet.fi writes:
>[garbage deleted]

Mighty courageous of you to write this anonymously, fella.

...

Alan made a good point a while ago about how people in this newsgroup generally
don't respond to a negative attack or stereotype on a group of people unless
they personally are a member of that group.  I, like many others, am "guilty"
of this.  Well, last time I checked, I wasn't an American born Chinese woman.
So here's what I have to say in response to an3879.

Unlike an3879, I've found in general that Chinese-American women are some of
the most attractive, engaging people I've ever had the pleasure to meet.  The
ones I know are absolutely nothing like what an3879 described in his (his?
her? its?) post.  Too bad he (it?) doesn't know the C-A women I know.

It was in college that I first realized how beautiful Asian American women are,
and what finally made me notice was probably not due to "ethnic awareness" or
"newfound racial pride," but rather through simple personal encounters with
lots of intelligent, sharp, attractive AA women, many of whom in the Bay Area
are Chinese American.  *They* made me stand up and take notice of them at a
time when I pretty much only had eyes for white girls.  *They* opened my eyes,
both literally and figuratively.

My only complaint about Chinese-American women is that I don't know enough
of them.  :-)

I mean, why do you think I went to the Bay Area several times in the past
year?  It wasn't just to meet the scaaba gang.  :-) :-) :-)

Jim
From: georgew@hspice.portal.com (George Wu)
Subject: Re: anonymous accounts
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:38:20 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.195442.16323@almserv.uucp> g9utxu@fnma.COM writes:

>So how can we stop it ?

     If you really have a complaint, send mail to root at the offending site.
You'll have to present a clear and logical case of racism in order to convince
a hopefully disinterested third party to intervene.

     This method has worked for me in misc.jobs.offered.

							George

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: g9utxu@fnma.COM (Tanin Uthayanaka)
Subject: Re: bimbos
Reply-To: g9utxu@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:53:16 GMT

In article 29756@nynexst.com, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>>>> >In article <1993Jan6.142309.11254@fuug.fi>, an3879@anon.penet.fi
>>>> >writes: 
>>>> >> I know several Chinese girls.  It seems that all the Chinese girls 
>>>> >> that I know who grew up or were born here in America are bimbos.
>>>> >> They wear tons of makeup, use disgusting perfume, smile too much
>>>> >> (I'm talking about fake and insincere smiles), wear clothes that
>>>> >> are too tight and skirts that are too high, and just all around
>>>> >> too gung ho American.
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> I hate them, every time I see one of them I just want to throw up.
>>>> >
>>>shouldn't care at all about what he said!  You don't need to prove
>>>
>>You are too kind (I'm being sincere). May be you're right not to give this man much 
>>attention and may be I'm just reading to much into what he's saying. I wonder how 
>>you would feel if you were in a party and someone said the same thing no matter 
>>if he was speaking directly to you or not. Would you react the same ??
>>
>>
>>
>
>  How do you know it was a "he" who said this???  

You're right. I shouldn't have assumed that the author was a "HE". I just assumed it 
from the tone of the post.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 1993 06:03:23 -0500 
From: Rikiya Asano <ra01+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: WANTED Open-Minded Asian Woman (from open minded black guy)

This dick(an(60@anan.penet.fi) writes:

.

{crap deleted}

In essence that he is Black. Yeah, if your black that your Grandmammy
sucks...well you get the picture. I am highly insulted now. I saw this
persons post on the Soc. cult. Nippon:

>X-Andrew-WideReply: netnews.soc.culture.japan
>X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail
>Received: via nntppoll with nntp; Thu,  7 Jan 1993 13:57:16 -0500 (EST)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
>Path:
andrew.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv
>.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!cornell!batcomputer!caen!uunet!mcsun!fuug!anon
>From: an3936@anon.penet.fi (Silly Question)
>Subject: Re: Japanese women, foreign men
>Message-ID: <1993Jan7.050926.906@fuug.fi>
>Sender: anon@fuug.fi (The Anon Administrator)
>Organization: Anonymous contact service
>X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.japan
>Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:14:07 GMT
>Lines: 24
> 
>In article <27569@sybase.sybase.com> you write:
>>The pheremone theory is interesting but not persuasive.  Smells
>>may get people interested in each other but are insufficient to
>>sustain anything more long-lasting.  
>>
>>A much more likely explanation can be found in the way foreign men
>>treat Japanese women.   Even a very modest (by western standards)
>>level of kindness and consideration can seem very attractive to
>>a woman who has not experienced this before.  From my own limited
>>observations I think that these behavioral differences are far more
>>important than diet, smell or the type of car one drives.
> 


>I have a funny experience to relate on why some Japanese women like foreign
>men. The most violent sexual response I have ever got from a woman was when
>I (as a joke, initially) rubbed the bridge of my (definitely gaijin) nose
>directly on my (Japanese) girlfriend's clitoris. I just about had my
ears torn 
>off (she was giving me "directions"), but the spasms going through her body
>had to be seen to be believed.
> 
>Anonymously,
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Notice the trademark! No black dude would do this. Dickhead- I'am mad
now. You have insulted my friends and a race of people that I highly
admire. Its funny to me that a piece of white/yellow trash would want to
be black! Personally, I find it very funny!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: thao@cse.uta.edu (Laly Thao)
Subject: Re: ?PC?
Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:20:17 GMT

In article <C0pLxo.7I5@acsu.buffalo.edu> dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei) writes:
>
>Just wondering what PC stands for??
>Personal Commentary?? Personal Computer?? Pussy Cat?? People of China??
>President's Choice?? Permenant Charge?? WHAT??

it stands for 
	a) poignantly corruptable
	b) perfectly correct
	c) politically correct
	d) pensive creep
	e) precocious child

note:  the correct answer is always c.  :-)

laly thao



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Independent, Fun-loving, Open-minded Asian Woman
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:38:47 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.083105.22333@beaver.cs.washington.edu> paulko@wolf.cs.washington.edu (Paul Ko) writes:
>Look, this isn't a flame, but why the hell do people talk about being
>"open minded", and then go on to say that they are only interested in
>dating with a specific race? Whether it's the same race or not isn't the
>issue. I'm sorry, but if you'll only date people of a certain race,
>that's not open minded.

I agree with you, but on the other hand, if you re-read the fellow's post,
you'll see that he never said that *he* was open-minded, only that he wanted
*her* to be.  :-)

Jim
From: jin@gandalf.rutgers.edu (GJ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Why are we different?
Date: 6 Jan 93 05:11:34 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:


>  There were also times that civilization flowered, like the Han
>  and Tang Dynasty, which is what I think you're referring to.

Han is the dynasty started adopting Confucianism as the only national
 philosophy, and Tang is the dynasty started picking government officials
 with the most rote memorization of Confucianism. I'm not saying
 Confucianism is no good, but the way they did that just kill creativity
 of the culture because no other philosophy could survive. Therefore the 
culture has been decaying after those dynasties.
From: hassan@cup.portal.com (hassan monu alam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: FAQ
Date: Fri,  8 Jan 93 17:44:47 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
From: wdw@math2.sma.usna.navy.MIL (Wm. Douglas Withers -- math  FACULTY <wdw@sma.usna.navy.mil>)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: soc.culture.eyelids (Was Re: Asian males aren't attractive? (was Re
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:35:04 GMT
Organization: U.S. Naval Academy

In article <1993Jan3.180603.27465@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>
>  Well as I explained in e-mail, it was the non-Japanese AA guys
>  who didn't like people with single eyelids.  The only group of
>  AA guys that did want to go out with me were J-A (from high
>  school to when I got married).  But there were only a few and
>  they went to different schools, or I was not available (lest
>  you think I was mobbed).  Of course it was funny sometimes because
>  I'd would be asked by Japanese tourists to help them translate
>  something.

This is not meant to invalidate Clare's experience, but the creased eyelid
is also considered stylish in Japan (although I can't imagine a guy choosing
a wife on the basis of eyelids).  And there are plenty of people in Japan
with creased eyelids (`futae' in local terminology).  It never occurred to
me that the single eyelid might be considered a Japanese feature.

>	...I was surprised when
>	my Black and Hispanic friends told me that my mom was very
>	pretty.  When I told my mom she said they were just being nice.
>	But then they thought that my dad did well to get my mom, so
>	I don't think they were just being polite.  I always thought
>	that just because my dad had double eyelids, that he looked
>	better.  But objective statements from my friends dispelled
>	that myth.

I expect that Clare's friends were entirely sincere.  (I wouldn't call
anyone's esthetic judgments "objective", though.)  I think Clare's mother's
attitude reflects an almost-universal human inability to comprehend different
standards of beauty.  Hence the tendency of some to assume that when a
person is attracted to another of a different ethnic group, the "real" reason
must be some underlying political motive.

In my own case, I think that most people in America would consider me rather
funny-looking.  However, when I travel to Japan, since I have blue eyes and
curly hair, I suddenly become exotic and attractive.  Funny, though...I never
had trouble getting used to it (unlike Mrs. Chu).
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: lashlepi@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Phillip Lashley)
Subject: Re: Asian american males with African american females
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:15:07 GMT
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.

In article <1iss80INN2eb@uwm.edu> nina@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Shenina Louise Jones) writes:
>
>         I'm a new poster on this net and I was wondering:  Do any 
>Asian-american men find African-american women attractive?  I've never 
>really read or seen this combination anywhere in the U.S.  I read the 
>many postings, but haven't read anything about this... Any thoughts?
>
>-- 

Yessssssssssss.
This should attract some attention (and hopefully, get a few honest answers).
Good thing i pressed y at the beginning. First time in my life i didd,. Dont regret it. sbeen interesting.

Phil


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From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Media Stereotypes: The Solution
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:16:38 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan8.030449.23014@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca> yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Frank F. Yu) writes:
>So far there are few asian Americans making a living out of major 
>professional sports. It's understandable in football and basketball,
>for they require strength and height. As for baseball, the reason is

Well, did you know that the first draft choice of the New England Patriots
(I know they're bad, but they got the first picks) was Edmund Chung, an
Asian-American dude!! Sure he's got our eyes, but he's big and fat, and..
BTW, he's an Offensive Guard.. :(
I hope they would draft an Asian-American QUARTERBACK some day, that'll
be really nice..

>not that clear, if you think about the Japanese and Taiwanese teams
>and their matchup against the Americans. And hockey... probably Jim Pak
>of the Penguins is the only AA player.

It's Jim PAEK.. (or was it Pak?? well, he's got a different name than our
own Jim Pa(e)k)

>And there are so many AA I know who like to play tennis. Is this
>because of Michael Chang? If it is, I think asian Americans are in
>serious need of some sports heroes of their own.

Hey, I played tennis for half a year, immediately after Chang won his
French open.. (then he went on the losing streak, and I stopped playing)

>FY

Ning
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: LAMBDA PHI EPSILON
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:18:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Yo, just checking to see if there were any Lambda brothers on the 
'net.  	I'm extending greetings from the colony chapter at the State 
University of New York at Buffalo to other members of the largest Asian 
American fraternity.  I've visited the chapter at Michigan.  Now, I'm just 
wondering how you guys in Cali and Texas are doing.  See you guys in May!



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: WANTED: Independent, Fun-loving, Open-minded Asian Woman
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:42:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.060307.7884@fuug.fi> an960@anon.penet.fi writes:
>The subject says it all.  I am looking for a young Asian Woman who is
>very intelligent, who likes to have fun, and knows what she wants out of
>her life.  I figured this would be as good a place as any to find such a
>person!

  Well you figured wrong.  Didn't you know that all the Asian women
  who post here are old, stupid, grouchy, and can't figure out what
  the hell they want out of life?
>
>Why the request that you be open minded?  Well, I am a young, college-educated
>African-American Male and I know it would take a very open-minded As-Am
>woman to be interested in pursuing anything romantic with me.