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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:43:00 PDT
From:         "Caroline Sisneros, Mgmt Lib." <ECZ5BCS@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: support for libraries

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> What the hell is this doing on CINEMA-L....??? Did you all get this
> propaganda garbage????
> I don't remember any movies about libraries!!!????
>
> Frank
> VASTOLA@CANISIUS

I must add my lighten up to the others thus posted. As what libraries have to d
o with movies. I can only refer you to the Motion Picture, Broadcasting and Rec
ord Sound Division of the Library of Congress. There was a special on my local
PBS station about LC and part of the special was Francis Ford Coppola talking a
bout LC efforts to preserve this country's film hertiage. LC (due to it deposit
ory copyright function) has  the largest film archive in this country. And even
 though I have problems with the National Film Registry (those 25 films named e
very year as national classics), which could fill volumes, it is administered b
y LC.The Librarian of Congress is an avid film buff and does work for the cause
 of film preservation in this country. At the momemt there is a act before Cong
ress that would mandate that LC coordinate with film archives in this country a
 national film preservation effort. Libraries (notice I don't say librarians be
cause many paraprofessionals staff this nation's libraries) are also tireless d
efenders of free speech and work against censorship, two issues that the film c
ommunity has had to face as well. As to movies about libraries there is always
the issue of the negative image that many films convey about librarians and lib
raries. That's my two cents worth.

Caroline Sisneros
UCLA

P.S. For a positive image of librarians there is Major League (and a fun movie
if you like baseball).
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 17:44:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      regarding libraries and cinema

Look, Frank, it's reasonable to expect that, since *this* is a cinema list,
the discussion will center *mostly* on cinema, but we all have richly varied
lives and interests, and why must such things be suppressed in the interest of
a topic which, apart from *US*, damnit, is dry as dust?  The beauty of the net
is that it is simultaneously *yours and ours*; i always feel a bit sorry for
people who complain too readily about "digressions" away from the nominal subjec
   t
matter of a list, because it gets to sound remarkably like a kid who, occupying
one big corner of a big sandbox, gets upset that he doesn't have the whole thing
to himself . . .

a bit fractiously, MM
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:58:00 PST
From:         QUINN@GONZAGA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Stone, Allen, Scorsese

Hi!  I signed on to this list this afternoon, and Caroline's comments on
Peter's material RE Scorsese et al. were among the first notes I received.
It appears that the level of discussion here is about three notches above
the most austere professional lists I am on, and I am REALLY looking
forward to more of it!

Unfortunately I missed Peter's comments -- being on about the tenth
viewing of GoodFellas at the moment, I would be really interested in
seeing them.. Would someone please email them to me?  Appreciate it.

James

Quinn@Gonzaga.Bitnet
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:26:04 +0000
From:         the Freshman Scott Huddle <huddle@VTTCF.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Movies about Libraries
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>What the hell is this doing on CINEMA-L....??? Did you all get this
>propaganda garbage????
>I don't remember any movies about libraries!!!????
>Frank
>VASTOLA@CANISIUS

_Desk Set_ with Katherine Hepburn and Spenser Tracy is set in a
corporate library that's being replaced by a computer (Braniac or
some such).  Its set at Christmas time, and the library keeps
getting requests for the names of the raindeer, funny stuff.

_The Name of the Rose_ with Sean Connery, and Christian Slater is
set in a monastery with a very elaborate, and secret library.
A great murder mystery -- monks are found boiled, and poisoned all
over the monastery, the events seem to point to some Apocalypse, now.

Libraries play important roles in _Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade_,
_the Paper Chase_, _It_, and _Shadow of a Doubt_.

   "Read Marcus Aurelius.  First principles--simplicity.  Look
at each thing in itself; ask 'What is its nature?'" -- H. Lecter

    -scott (huddle@vttcf.cc.vt.edu)
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 09:16:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Kafka and Marx

ICE9 mentioned three characteristics of the Kafkaesque and states
that they are also indicators of Marxism.  That's the first time
I've heard it suggested that the current administration in Wash-
ington is Marxist!

Jim
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:53:00 CST
From:         ICE9@GACVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Kafka

thinking about the Kafkaesque, I am struck by the similarities to Marxist
theories (more political than sociological) which can be summed up quickly.

1. The people who are in charge of dissemination of information will toss out
ideas that favor their position

2. Workers in the system experience alienation because the product of their
creativity is used against them by the people it is created for

3. This opposition to one's own creations spreads from the system that creates
it to the very act of creating to the self, completing the circle of
alienation.

anyway, this is just a paraphrase which shows some connections and maybe helps
our definition of the Kafkaesque
-Janus (new sig, same dude)
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:12:00 EDT
From:         "FRANK VASTOLA @ CANISIUS AAP" <VASTOLA@CANISIUS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: support for libraries

>From:         PGIORDANO@WILLIAMS.EDU

>It takes less than a minute of your time, and, as the above message
>implies, you will be answered by a human being, not a machine.  They do ask
>you to supply your name and address and if they may add you to the list of
>supporters to be presented to Congress during ALA legislative day in April.
>
>Libraries, YOUR libraries, are having to cut back on hours, staffing,
>acquisitions, the amount and extent of services available.  (This is
>regrettably true not only for public libraries, but for libraries on all
>levels.)  Public libraries are largely funded on the local level -- let
>your local government know you support your libraries, not just the federal
>government!
>
>Remember, the deadline is 11 April 1992.  Please feel free to spread the
>word.

>Many thanks to all who read this far.
>P. Giordano
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What the hell is this doing on CINEMA-L....??? Did you all get this
propaganda garbage????
I don't remember any movies about libraries!!!????

Frank
VASTOLA@CANISIUS
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 14:42:00 EST
From:         GRANHOLM@STETSON.BITNET
Subject:      Re: woman who won oscar?

        Yes.  Mercedes Rheul (sp?) won best supporting actress for
The Fisher King.  But she is not the same one from Total Recall--for
the life of me I can't remember her name.


                                 Amy
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:49:00 EST
From:         "Like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!" <ACCDAK@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Mission from God

I would appreciate it if someone could give me the correct dialogue for the
lines paraphrased below:
It's night.  We're wearing dark glasses.  We've got a full tank of gas and
half a pack of cigarettes.  It's 109 miles to Chicago.  Step on it.

Thanks in advance.

David ACCDAK@HOFSTRA
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 08:35:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      More on lasers

Charles,
   Rental lasers are rare; most people with laser machines buy,
which results in lower prices (since the better-heeled video
outlets DON'T buy).  However, the technology is bound to
be replaced, though hopefully the players will be around
longer than the RCA-type disc players of ten years ago
(of which I still have one which works!).
Jim
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:25:00 EST
From:         ACCNEWS@HOFSTRA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: question

From: accgsg@hofstra.bitnet (Gary Graffagnino)
Subject: Re: question

> Let me try this again. --Stephen "New to listserv's" Marquardt
>
> ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
> While I realise that most commercials don't fall under the category of
> "Cinema Ver-ih-tay", we had someone ask what brand of detergent was being
> advertised in the spot that depicts a guy picking up his clothes from a
> Chinese laundromat. When the guy asks how they get his clothes so white, the
> owner says that it's an ancient Chinese secret.  After the customer leaves, th
e
> owner's wife shows the detergent and says, "Ancient Chinese secret, huh?"
>
> One opinion says it was Calgon as in "Calgon, take me away" Calgon.  Others sa
y
> that it was for tide.  Others have said it was for bleach and not soap.  Any
> definitive guesses out there?


It IS Calgon.  I seem to remeber the owner's wife saying "We need more Calgon"
and then the *customer* says "ancient Chinese secret, huh?"
--

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"I go back to the immortal words of Socrates who said
        'I drank WHAT?'."
                        -Val Kilmer (Real Genius)
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 08:44:27 -0400
From:         J-HILL@UMINN1.BITNET

 Jonathan:  What are you basing your statement that the Academy wants it's women
  in front of the camera where it can exploit them on.  Are you in the business?
   If you are, do you exploit women by putting them in front of the camera?  Fac
 e it, the film industry--for the most part--is money driven.  If somebody--man
 or woman--is going to make the studio money, in front of or behind the camera--
 they are going to let that person make the picture.  As for the Academy Awards-
 -these are an in-house awards system.  I think it is so funny how people get so
  uptight about the awards--people within the academy do the voting--not the gen
 eral public.  And of course a lot of the voting is personal--it should be.

 Jeff
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:09:00 EST
From:         "Like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!" <ACCDAK@HOFSTRA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Medieval films

Would it be too far a field to suggest adding 2 Bergman films Seventh Seal
and Virgin Spring to the list of Midieval films?

I'd like to add a Houston film, but I can't remember the name.  I believe it
was A Wallk wiht Love and Death.  I believe it was Angelica Houston's screen
debut.

One of my all time favorites might also qualify: "Chimes at Midnight", Orson
Welles go at Henry V & Fatso and his merry scoundrels.

David ACCDAK@HOFSTRA
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 17:24:44 EDT
From:         Gayle Gleason <ST402486@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Another old film

   Anybody know if _Ben Hur_ will be broadcast this week?  'Tis
  the season, after all.   I love that movie.....I even like to
  watch the Edited for TV version....as long as they don't cut any
  of the charriot race!!!



--Gayle Gleason
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:55:00 EDT
From:         Ray Hoy <RAY@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Movies about Libraries

We actually had a long discussion about movies about libraries last year
on this list. If it is really wanted, I still have the file with the names.

However, it is true that the post about calling the library support 800
number had little to do with movies.

Well, I'm off to our public library to check out their book sale (true!)


Ray Hoy  RAY@MCO.BITNET
Medical College of Ohio
Toledo Ohio
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 09:02:00 PST
From:         THOMPSON@UCRVMS.BITNET
Subject:      Kafka

Tanya in Atlanta:  if you're looking for "Kafka-esque" films, be
sure to see ZENTROPA (a.k.a. EUROPA, not = EUROPA, EUROPA) when it
comes around.  We saw this at the Palm Springs Film Festival
a couple of months ago and it left the whole audience, as
Ring Lardner says, "gaping like a prune-fed calf."
Jim in Riverside
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Subject: Re: Wonky double features.
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:54:00 GMT
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This was not a double feature but still an interesting message on a marquee:
I'll never forget time my family was driving to Granny's for dinner and
we passed a theater displaying the following:

                 MERRY CHRISTMAS
                 DEATH WISH
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:20:00 PDT
From:         Christian Taube <TAUBE@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Civil War films

>While we're at it, let's make a list of Civil War films.
>  The Birth of a Nation
>  The General
>  Gone with the Wind

Actually, why see anything else than those
three? Not that I would agree with what any
of them has to say in particular, but seeing
them all on one list makes me think of how
wonderful a triple feature they would make.
For the true hardcore longwatchers.

8-)

The General last in the triple. Did you know
that much of it was filmed a few miles south
of Eugene, in Creswell/OR? Well, now you know.

Christian.
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 09:17:41 EST
From:         cthompso@CC.GETTYSBURG.EDU
Subject:      What Happened to (at) Santiago

    The Puerto Rican film _Lo que le paso a Santiago_--it was nominated for
an Oscar a couple of years ago, and the title in English would be either
_What Happened to Santiago_ or _What Happened at Santiago_--does anyone
know where I can rent either a video of it or a 16mm copy?  Thanks.
Currie Thompson
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:39:00 EDT
From:         Ray Hoy <RAY@MCO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Emerson on JFK

>Sender:       Discussions on all forms of Cinema <CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET>
>From:         "DAN RYAN @ CP & JP" <RYAN@CANISIUS.BITNET>
>Subject:      Re: Emerson on JFK
>To:           Ray Hoy <RAY@MCO.BITNET>, Steve Rife <STEV@MCO.BITNET>
>
>>From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
>
>>Tim Emerson's post on JFK provides eloquent testimony for the argument
>>that the pursuit of truth can *only* come by way of fiction in the bush
>>leagues of ronnie raygun's Amerika!
>
>Michael, the aporia of your existing in a world where the Earth has one
>moon is becoming evident! ;-)
>
>To paraphrase Wayne Campbell:
>Ronnie Raygun's Amerika...?  Yeah, Right?
>
>Dan
The APORIA of figuring out what the heck you fellas are talking about
is also evident.

Ray Hoy  RAY@MCO.BITNET
Medical College of Ohio
Toledo Ohio
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From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: medieval films
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A few quick additions (most of my suggestions have already been... er,
suggested...

Jabberwocky
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern -- are Dead!

                                   *"Let me put it another way, Bob.
     KERR AVON    |   Work: ICL,   * You _are_ a girl. And you're a
 aka Liam Cairney |Reading, England* girl with about as much talent
  All e-mail to:- | Home: Glasgow, * for disguise as a giraffe in
lcc@win.icl.co.uk |    Scotland    * dark glasses trying to get into
                                   * a polar bears-only golf club."
     "I belong to Glasgow..."      *      -- Capt. Edmund Blackadder
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:54:15 EDT
From:         "W. Stephen Marquardt" <WASTMART@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Film stars in commercials BEFORE they became famous

Jim Varney did Braum's Ice Cream commercials in Texas.

Stephen

"No what I mean, Vern?"--Ernest
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:28:00 EDT
From:         FSQRSYA@IUP.BITNET
Subject:      Re: raw sex

>Enough about the libraries 800 number!  Does anyone have Jerry Brown's?

Dan:

Here's J. Brown's 800 number: 1-800-426-1112


Aziza.


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From:         Pooja Gupta <PGUPTA@NAS.BITNET>
Subject:      Sam Kinerson

I heard the news last night--him and his wife were driving
in the desert and were hit by a 17 year old boy. I heard
that both him and his wife died instantly.
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:16:00 EST
From:         STU_C4CASTAL@JMUVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Stone & The Doors

Danny Sugarman, a friend of the late Morrison, spoke on my campus last semester
promoting his new book about what it was like back then.  I don't remember
anybody asking him about the film in particular, but the passages he read from
his book definitely supported Stone's "darkside of the 60's" theme.

Later,
Chris
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:09:00 CDT
From:         Ray Hamel <RHAMEL@WISCMACC.BITNET>
Subject:      Killer Shrews

        Okay, so THE KILLER SHREWS has giant shrews that look
a lot like dogs.  But what an acting performance from James
Best in a pre-Rosco Coltrane phase of his acting career!  See
this film in a double feature with NIGHT OF THE LEPUS.

Ray Hamel
University of Wisconsin
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From:         Vanessa Lanzarotti <REG0686A@TCUAVM.BITNET>
Subject:      re: Vegematics

Has it really gone belly up?  I see Ron Popeel (sp) all the damn time
on infomercials touting some gadget or the other, and he talks about
the vegematic, popeels pocket fisherman, etc.

Vanessa
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:57:00 EDT
From:         DMICHEL@DUKEMVS.BITNET
Subject: Re: support for libraries

"...propaganda garbage???"  Frank, please lighten up.
At worst, junk E-mail, maybe. I happen to be thankful for this one.
........................................................................

          MICHEL

          Michel Deschuyteneer              (DMICHEL@DUKEMVS.BITNET)
          Div. Neurology, Dept. Medicine, Duke Univ. Medical Center.
          Durham, North Carolina; USA.

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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:39:30 PDT
From:         Jennifer Porro <BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET>
Subject:      D.H. Lawrence

REPLY TO 04/16/92 03:24 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": Impromptu

I too thought IMPROMPTU was immensely amusing.  Currently Judy Davis
can be seen in WHERE ANGELS FEAR TO TREAD, from the novel by E.M.
Forster, which is getting good reviews.

I would agree that many film renditions of D.F. Lawrence's works leave
something to be desired -- but I have to admit to finding DFL's
works rather lifeless and unsympathetic in the first place,
regardless of all the hoopla about how sexual and elemental they
supposedly are.  WOMEN IN LOVE (the movie) however rates up there
in my top ten favorite films.  I think it brought the novel to life.

Jennifer Porro

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