From: zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Overshadowed By Fate Huckabay)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Blue Jays vs. Red Sox
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:38:50 GMT
Organization: Dewey's Kirschlicious Cinnamon Rolls, Ltd.

In article <1169@yetti.UUCP> darryl@cs.yorku.ca (Darryl Gamble) writes:
>In article <burble>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>|> Plantier vs. Carter	No contest.  Plantier will out-hit, out-slug, and
>|> 			out-walk Carter.  By approximately two and a half
>|> 			miles (or 150 points of OPS, whichever you prefer).
>
>I admit I really like Plantier.  And he could very well, out hit, slug and will
>definitely out walk Carter.  But Carter does drive in runs.  I know, I know...
>but let's make sure Plantier doesn't have a hole in his swing somewhere first,
>alright ?  Let's call this a wash for now.

Why should we call it a wash?  Joe Carter had the year of his life
last year, and still wasn't that great.  Plantier will do just as Val
says - he'll MASSACRE Carter in terms of production.

>|> Burks vs. Winfield	I admit Winfield had the better year last year.
>|> 			But Burks is hitting in Spring Training, and I
>|> 			expect him to return to 1989/1990 form.  Edge Burks
>|> 			by a significant margin.
>
>Burks has averaged 16 homers over the past three seasons.  His average will
>probably rebound into the .290-.300 range, and he'll drive in 70-80 runs.
>I expect Winfield to get 20-25 homers, bat .260, and drive in about the same
>number of runs.  Of course, Burks is 27 and Winfield is 40...edge to Burks.

You expect Winfield to hit .260 with 20-25 Home Runs.

Why?

>|> Clark vs. Gruber	Gruber will bop a few more HR.  Clark will walk his
>|> 			way to a .380+ OBP.  Significant edge to Clark.
>
>Clark will out walk Kelly in his sleep, I'm sure. But if Kelly can come back to
>his 1990 numbers this one is pretty close.  Still the edge goes to Clark.

If Kelly can come back to his 1990 numbers, I, for one, will be
astounded.  Wasn't he 27 in 1990?  Gruber doesn't walk much, either.
He'd have to slug .600 in order to make up for his extra out
consumption.

>|> Vaughn vs. Bell	Can't really call this one.  But if I had to, I'd
>|> 			give Vaughn the edge.  The power is the difference.
>|> 			They both hit for a reasonable BA, and Vaughn
>|> 			probably won't walk much more often.
>
>I don't think Derek Bell was given Minor League Player of the Year for nothing.
>I think this one is a edge for the Jays, and I'm not even that high on Bell.

I don't think Pete Vuckovich was voted the Cy Young winner for
nothing.

>|> Pena vs. Lee/Griffin	Does *anybody* compare unfavorably to Manny Lee?  :-)
>
>I wish I could say..."yes someone does", but as far as I know only Cory Snyder
>really makes Lee look good.  And now the Giants have him. :-(

Tony Pena comes pretty close.

>Well, when you say things like White and Reed are pretty close, I think your
>a little, shall we say, biased.  Perhaps looking through Red Sox coloured
>glasses ?  (Of course, almost everyone in this group knows your a Red Sox fan
>so that's expected.)

White will likely post a lower OBP than Reed, and may cost his team
with his basestealing antics.  Jody Reed is not a defensive whiz, but
he's very good at not consuming outs.  White has yet to show that
skill.

>I think Boston does have as good an offense IN THE
>NUMBERS as the Jays, but there is one other very important thing.  The Red Sox
>are putting up there numbers in Fenway...on of the best hitters parks in the
>majors.  

Does someone have recent park adjustments?  I would bet the two parks
are pretty comparable in terms of run production, but I haven't seen
any numbers, and don't have an Elias handy.  (Chose not to purchase
that thing this year.)

>And when you look at it that way, I think you find a very close
>comparison between the Jays and the Red Sox based on hitting alone.

I think that in order to think the Jays have CLOSE to as good of an
offense as the Red Sox would require, at a minimum, hallucinogens.  At
a maximum, it would require a lobotomy.

>When you get talking about the pitching, I think that the Jays look better than
>the Red Sox.  And that's why I believe the Blue Jays will win their division
>again this year with Boston finishing second by about 4 games.

We'll see.  I have NO faith in Jack Morris whatsoever, nor in Stieb or
Key's health.  If the Jays win the division, it will be on their
bullpen, and in SPITE of Cito "I love to give Dave Till ulcers"
Gaston.

Nice to have the game back, yes?


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