From: skillian@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Seth James Killian)
Subject: Re: A Story of Revenge, or Missed Him By That () Much
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:06:30 GMT

kinsman@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Aphoriel/Kinsman) writes:

>In article <C19zxy.JCA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> skillian@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Seth James Killian) writes:
>>julius@cco.caltech.edu (julius yang) writes:
>>
>>	(boring battle sequence deleted)
>>
>>>He seemed pretty proud, too, that he had done so valiant a deed.  Well,
>>>like the net says, what can you do but walk away from Bisons like this.
>>	  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>	The net said this?  Of what net are you speaking of?  This net?
>>	God, I hope not.  What you CAN do (as opposed to walking away)
>>	is to go back in there and kick his ass.  Ken has some excellent
>>	ticks and you decided to take the moral highroad and get your
>>	fanny whipped.  Not to say you must tick Bison to win (especially
>>	against such an unimaginative opponent) but never accept defeat!
>>
>Beg pardon? The Net is just a collection of individuals.  Yes, It seems the
>Net did say this; right here in this post. See? There it is "what can you do
>but walk away from Bisons like this."  Someone's even nicely underlined it. :)

	Yes, the net is a collection of individuals, but I think it is 
	abundantly clear that he is not referring to his own statement
	when he makes reference to the net.  What I believe he is referring
	to, are the individuals who post here on this group.  He is 
	therefore putting words into the mouth of myself and others which
	I most definitely did not say.  He implies that there is no
	choice but to lose, and accept it.  I don't believe that there
	could possibly be many individuals who post to this group who
	share this sentiment.  How can you ever hope to improve if you 
	maintain the attitude, "Oh, I lost to someone who is better than
	me, I think I'll quit.".  If, in fact, I am wrong here, please
	come forward and share your quitting ways with me.

>And I suspect, if he tried to go back in there in kick ass, he'd just be 
>subjected to the Law of Diminishing Returns, and just fill that Bison player
>with even more pride.  Wiser to just let Bison play alone and lose to the
>computer...

	I suppose this is indeed wiser if your goal is to save money.  Don't
	play someone who you think will beat you.  This also offers no hope
	of improvement.  If your real goal is indeed to save money, go put
	your quarters in a piggybank and leave the SF2 to someone who is 
	willing to lose and learn.

>>>So I stick around and watch him play computer Ryu and get trashed in
>>>about a minute.  The moral victory is mine, I suppose.
>>
>>	This guy lost to the COMPUTER?  And you lost to him.  I see.
>>	But I am curious?  Of what moral victory do you speak?  The
>>	moral victory where you lost to an unskilled ticker?  Oh.

>He's referring not precisely to a 'moral victory' but to the satisfaction that

	He's not referring to a moral victory?  But that is what he just wrote
	and somone even nicely repeated it right there! :) 

>Bison got thrashed by a rescuing computer player.  Call it 'justice' that after
>being so cheap, the computer took care of him lickety-split, being able to 
>handle cheapers.  And mind, the Computer can be tough.. you don't know what
>difficulty level or whatnot the machine was set at.

	Your argument right here is the reason I bothered posting this in the
	first place.  Your very use of the word "justice", is totally absurd.
	SF2 is a videogame, not an ethical being.  The rules are spelled out
	quite simply by Capcom in the programming of the game, and the winning
	Bison was certainly playing by those same rules.  You also make 
	reference to the Bison player as being a "cheaper", or someonme who
	uses the throw offensively and/or repeatedly.  I will hazard a guess
	that you yourself are an inept "cheaper", and probably proud of it.
	Perhaps your defense of the story comes from a similiar experience
	you may have had.  Regardless, the throw was put into SF2 for a reason
	and it is undeniably an integral part of the game.  If you choose not
	to make use of this aspect for whatever reason, that is fine, but do
	not try to force your arbitraty morality on me, or call me cheap when
	I kill you.  If you get killed consistently by a "cheap" player, you
	deserve to lose, as you have obviously been guilty of a gross oversight
	in your skills, by not choosing to participate in throwing.  Justice
	has nothing to do with SF2.

>>	Pardon my ignorance, of Avatar of selflessness.  What is the
>>	moral to this story?  People who apply a completely arbitrary
>>	set of morals to a videogame and feel selfrighteous about
>>	losing, SHOULD COME PLAY AT UIUC!  I would love to engage in
>>	a chivalrous and sporting bout of SF2 with you ole chap!  Maybe
>>	you could have a good cry afterwards, and feel superior on some
>>	mysterious higher plane of SF2 morality, but I'll be on the
>>	machine, and you'll be at the back of the line...
>>
>>		Seth Killian
>>

>Why are you trying to turn a story into an argument?

	I just can't stand a selfrighteous loser.  A loss is a loss.
	By any means necessary :)

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>>>julius yang                      "Fill me with your little babies!"
>>>julius@sandman.cco.caltech.edu        --"Peter's Friends", Kenneth Branagh
>>>julius@iago.caltech.edu          

>Aphoriel/Kinsman
>Sean Givan

	Seth Killian