From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: BARBIE DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 13:13:35 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.153047.6627@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.133929.25919@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct7.201935.19210@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) writes:
>>>>
>>>Hey as far as I'm concerned put a dress on
>>>him it won't bother me in the least.
>>  This is a certifiable sexist statement.  Who says people who wear
>>  dresses don't compete for good jobs?
>
>I don't think he was being sexist.  I think he was being realistic.
>Take it face value - you put a dress on a boy and he's going to get
>laughed at.  Am I wrong?

  Yes you are. He said, might as well put him in a dress and have him hide under
  his desk.  He's equating Dylan being non-aggressive with wearing a
  dress.  That I disagree.  Dylan can be self-assertive without being
  aggressive.  Self-assertive starts at self-defense.  Aggression
  looks for fights.  Big difference.

  Furthermore, wearing dresses doesn't mean getting picked on and cowering
  passively when attacked.  I had to wear dresses in elementary school
  when we had a dress code that girls had to wear dresses.  Wearing dresses
  does not mean being a push-over.
>
>>  And competing for good jobs
>>  doesn't mean fighting and aggression.
>
> ????  What planet do YOU live on ???  I've been employed as a professional
>for 15 years and if you don't think I've seen fighting and aggression,
>you're wrong.  

  Physical aggression???  Well remind me to stay away from your work.
  What do you do when you want a raise, go point a gun at your boss???
  We WERE talking about physical violence, pushing, hitting, and physical
  fights.

>Some of the worst clawing and nitpicking and downright
>aggression has been shown to me by other women.  Don't glorify a gender
>to make a point.

  You can't even read.  I never said that women do not exhibit assertive
  behavior.  In fact I've been rebutting James' attitude is that
  girls don't have to worry about aggression, girls don't get man-handled
  on playground.  I've given plenty of examples that wearing dresses
  doesn't mean nonaggression.  I've talked about girl bullies, etc.

>
>> A prosocial person like
>>  Dylan will have a much better chance of landing a good job than
>>  a bully who can't get along with anyone.

  Okay, a prosocial person, like Dylan's mother hopes he'll be, etc...
  All right with you?  [Such nitpicking...]
>
>From his mother's .sig, I see that Dylan is 22 months old.  With Barbie's
>help I figured that he's a little under two years old.  While I'm sure
>his mother has all the good intentions of raising him to be a certain
>way, there are other influences that may just make Dylan turn out the
>way Dylan will turn out - not necessarily the way his mother plans.  Tell
>me I'm horrible folks, but this DOES happen.
>
>I suggest we not assess little Dylan based on how his mother thinks
>he will turn out.

  At least I don't fault his mother for trying to make a "kinder, gentler"
  world.  

>>> 
>>  Who are you to tell
>>  women that they shouldn't get upset?  
>
>He told *A* woman she shouldn't get upset in a certain situation.
>Not ALL women.  You're not helping the cause.

  What cause?   You're right, he told a woman he doesn't know and never
  met that she shouldn't get upset when her 22 month old baby got pushed
  by a kid twice his age and size.  You mentioned in a previous post how
  upset you get when you see your kids get hurt.  You said yourself
  that your reactions were unpredictable.  At least Diane had the guts
  to speak her mind to the father and not strangle that kid.
>>> 
>>>You people [referring to misc.kids] are 100% certifyably insane.
>>  Which is why you're still single and we're not.
>
>I didn't know married people were better or worse that single people.
>I do, however, know some single people who are single because they
>have a hell of a lot of guts.  Why did YOU get married??

  This is a joke, guess you didn't get it.  Oops I forgot the huge smiley.
>>
>>> I tell ya what when some kids continously take Dylans lunch money and
>>>the school can't do anything about it because it occurs off school grounds
>>>and you can't get any cooperation from the parents you just put some
>>>tights on old Dylan and tell him to hide under his desk till his
>>>Mommy gets there. Have a nice life Dylan.
>>  My my, getting homophobic too?  What's wrong with wearing tights?
>
>Amazing.

  Fabulous.