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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Friendly little poker games?
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:25:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <22JUL199208332641@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov> smneyln@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Michael Neylon) writes:
>In article <1992Jul21.172527.11312@cs.sfu.ca>, kenward@cs.sfu.ca (Kenward Chin) writes...

>>Well, how about including Worf, Picard, and Crusher into the game?  Ok, let's
>>rephrase the problem:

>>In a no-holds barred poker tournament involving every "regular" (you can
>>interpret this yourself) member of the Enterprise crew, what would the final
>>ranking be?

>1. Geordi  (can see thru cards, knows EXACTLY what is out there...)

Christ!  How many times do we have to say it?

THEY HAVE CARDS THAT GEORDI CAN'T SEE THROUGH!!!!  HE'S EVEN TOLD WORF
TO BRING THEM TO THE NEXT CARD GAME.  DO YOU THINK THAT IN A NO-HOLDS
BARRED GAME THEY WOULD ACTUALLY USE CARDS THAT THEY KNOW HE CAN SEE
THROUGH?!!!!

Sorry about the all-caps, but this is getting very old, people.

>2. Data (can 'count' (follow the exact position of cards) can be fooled by
>		trick deals...)

Which would give him the biggest advantage overall.

>3. Deanna (can read mind ex. Data's)

No, she can't.  She can feel emotions.  Big difference.  Example:

Have you ever taken a lie-detector test?  Supposedly, by the way you
answer certain questions, it can tell if you're lying.  Well, I've lied
on one and it didn't pick it up (no, nothing serious).  If you can hide
your feelings from that, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to hide
them from Troi.  All it takes is remaining calm.  If you keep a nuetral
mind, she can't read anything.

>7. Jean-Luc (he cant hide his bluff!)

Has he every played?  The only episode where I remember him even going to
the game everyone was surprised that he had showed up.  [I can't remember
the episode name, but it was the one where he and 2 others were trapped
in a cell-type area, while a changling took their place to see how others
would react to their giving certain commands, like "Take use closer to the
sun."  "But sir, that would expose us to intolerable levels of radiation."
"I'm aware of that, take us in."]



-- 
Jorge Diaz                       | "You're outmanned, you're outgunned, you're
Georgia Institute of Technology  |      outequipped what else have you got?"
Office of Information Technology | "Guile."
ccoprdj@prism.gatech.edu         |      -- Riker and Worf   "Peak Performance"
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:20:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.123721.29050@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson) writes:
>
>In a previous article, mmmirash@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mandar Mukund Mirashi) says:
>
>>>I can't believe everyone on this net is discussing the physics behind
>>>this!  Has everyone gone bonkers?  Doesn't anyone understand that this
>>>is a HOLLYWOOD MOVIE?!!!  We see people get thrown back just about
>>>everytime someone gets shot!  It's called EXAGGERATION for entertainment
>>>purposes!  Why does everyone insist on treating movies as if they were
>>>real life, that every aspect has to be realistic?  Sheesh!
>>
>>     The Trekkies are an elite group, who are visionaries of future 
>>technology. Star Trek IS NOT just another Hollywood movie as you put
>>it. There are already lots of people who deride ST and call it a lot
>>of sci-fi junk. I hate these jerks....and you seem to be one of them...
>>...please refrain from posting to this newsgroup.
>
>Perhaps you should consider cross-posting this to alt.humor.
>Great stuff!  Do you write this yourself or you do have a
>professional do it for you?


As a Visionary of the Future, I strongly resent your comments!  Clearly,
you are not Of the Body.  You must be expunged.


-- 
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Brookhaven National Laboratory     "Home of the Big BNL Burger."	
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From: chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim)
Subject: Re: Chief Miles O'Brien's Rank *SOLVED*
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:06:11 GMT

scottgor@jaflrn.UUCP (Scott Gorcey) writes:

>> Mr. Rhozenko (sp?) addressed
>> O'Brien as "another chief petty officer" when he beamed aboard.
>> 
>     When I was mixing it up in this flamewar
>     around-abouts last April-May, that was my main piece of
>     diegetic "proof" that O'Brien was a CPO.  
>[some stuff deleted}
>     The fact that Sergey had memorized all the specs and designs
>     of the Enterprise - indicating a good memory for detail -
>     and the fact that nothing in the scene suggests that Sergey
>     is in error when he refers to O'Brien as a CPO, apparently,
>     never bothered them.
>     I understand Ron Moore said at someone's convention that
>     O'Brien is unequivocally a Chief Petty Officer.  Can't we
>     let that be the end of it?

If only to play devil's advocate, no we can't. Your post was extremely 
one-sided, presenting only the supporting arguments you liked. Apparently,
you weren't bothered by contrary evidence and arguments, including 
O'Brien's insignia (two full pips, which on every other character at any
other time, have always indicated a rank of Lieutenant); that a good
memory does not necessarily mean that the person *isn't* detached from
reality; O'Brien used to be a tactical officer; that someone-or-other
phoned Paramount and received the answer that O'Brien was and always had
been a Lieutenant; and that the trading cards identify O'Brien as such.

Apart from the last bit, all the other pieces of "evidence" have been
used in the flamewar of times past. I don't want it to start up again,
really I don't. There *was* a poll done, the results of which showed
that a majority of voters believed O'Brien to be a Lieutenant. Can't
we let *that* be the end of it?

-- 
Keith_Lim@sfu.ca   Simon Fraser University, Burnaby B.C., V5A 1S6, Canada
Forum (Cog Sci); Senate; CDSU; ASC. ...but all opinions are my own only.

     "Omnia vincit Amor: et nos cedamus Amori." --Virgil, "Aeneid", X
From: ledgerj@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Jim Ledger)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST VI:TUC Musings/Comments (*SPOILERS?*)
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:10:33 GMT
Organization: Ada Joint Program Office

In article <13687@auspex-gw.auspex.com> hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng) writes:
>Someone (I forgot who) said earlier that they were outraged because Christian
>Slater got credit for being the Excelsior communications officer, while the
>blonde lady didn't. Well, she did. That was Grace Lee Whitney (a.k.a. Yeoman
>Janice Rand from TOS).

The real outrage to me was the fact that she didn't get
credit as Janice Rand, but simply as some anonymous crew member. Any
theories as to why?

Jim
From: dug@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Dug Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Tardis
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:18:08 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NSG-PWD, UK.

The TARDIS (Time And Relative Dimensions In Space) was the blue police box that
Dr Who used to travel around in, through time and space (the dimensions bit 
comes from it being bigger inside than out).  Guinan hasn't been shown to have
one, that was just speculation about her being a Time Lord like the Doctor.
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From: aa761@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick Murowsky)
Subject: Re: DS9 and Babylon 5
Reply-To: aa761@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Patrick Murowsky)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 23:30:54 GMT


In a previous article, rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman) says:

>>3. Why don't we see Q anymore?
>
>   He will probably return again in Season 6.

Supposedly, the episode following "Time's Arrow ][" is entitled
"Duelling Qs"

Maybe Corbin Bersen returns with DeLancie and they each pick a crew and
duke it out?  I also read that Scotty is going to make an appearance in an
early episode of season 6.  

-- 
:: Patrick Murowsky `94 ::::::::: "My mother is killing Q!  What should we do?
:: aa761@cleveland.Freenet.Edu ::               -- Counselor Deanna Troi
:: SysOp of Programming SIG ::::: "Sell tickets?"  -- Lt. Commander Worf
:: Traveler on IRC :::::::::::::: "Besides, it's clearly a bunny rabbit."-Data
From: hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: More actor roles
Date: 23 Jul 92 01:21:20 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

In article <1992Jul22.043416.14325@techbook.com> jeffk@techbook.com (Jeff Kelso) writes:
>
>	The actress who plays Keiko was also recently in a PBS movie
>	about a Chinese girl who was sold into prositution by her
>	father.  It was a pretty good movie although it was kind of a
>	downer.  
>

Yeah, that was called "A Thousand Pieces of Gold." It's a story about one of
the first Chinese immigrants to the U.S. in the mid-1800's.

On a lighter note, the actress who plays Dr. Crusher's assistant, Patty
Yasutake, also played the character of Marcia in "The Wash," a film about
relationships among Japanese American families. It starred Mako, Nobu
McCarthy, and Sab Shimono, and was written by Philip Kan Gotanda.

h.
From: adamsf@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TNG Bumper Sticker Sighted!
Date: 28 Jul 92 15:53:45 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Jul23.093149.4699@gw.wmich.edu>, adamsf@gw.wmich.edu writes:
> In article <1992Jul23.005729.10584@ux1.cts.eiu.edu>, cfsje@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Susan Eisenhour) writes:
>> I have one that says: "Romulan Military Academy".
>> Makes a nice contrast when one lives in a college town.
>> Got mine at a con in Des Moines & haven't seen one since.
> 
> 
> It appears that the only way to get these stickers and other decent
> ST items is to go to a con?  Is there no place I can shop for two
> generations of ST fans??????

Thanks for the e-mail and other comments I now have four catalogs on the way. 

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From: jeffery@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT)
Subject: Re: Look for Episode Name ... Pickard goes into trance
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:42:23 GMT

In article <35850001@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> stevek@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Steve Kauder) writes:
>
>Hi all,
>
>Could someone give me the name of the episode (near the end of the
>season) where Picard is "put into a trance" by a space probe.  While
>in the trance, he "experiences" life with a people that died ~1000
>years earlier?

The name of the episode is "Inner Light" >

>Even better, could someone tell me when this will be re-broadcast.
>
Sorry, I don't know when it will be on again.

>I've thought more and more about this episode.  It really had an
>impact on me.  I'd like to watch it again and tape it.
>
I agree, it was excellent, I wish they went in detail in the end about how Picard felt about the experience. >
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From: rahhelp@rigel.tamu.edu (Ronald A. Huizar)
Subject: Re: Alas, poor Worf
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:54:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.200804.710@javelin.sim.es.com>, SJOSEPHS@130.187.183.14 (STEVEN JOSEPHSON) writes...
>In <1992Jul27.165024.15990@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wct@po.CWRU.Edu writes:
> 
>> 
>> In a previous article, schamber@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (CHAMBERLAND S - BIOLOGY) says:
>> 
>> >In article <1992Jul25.124939.2056@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> wct@po.CWRU.Edu (William C. Thompson) writes:
>> >>
>> >>Come to think of it, I can't recall one time when I saw Worf win.
>> >>I thought Klingons were the warriors of warriors.
>> >
>> >What about "Reunion" (the TV episode, not the book)?
>> >
>> >He killed Duras... but of course, his opponent was another Klingon... ;-)
>> 
>> Sadly, yes, I realized my mistake, but I was able to rationalize it
>> as you did...  :)
>> -- 
>> 
>>                         [currently under construction]
>> 
>>
>Tis sad, but true, Worf does get his ass handed to him far frequently. 
>Sometimes it makes a little sence - Worf is no match for Data. But what about
>Admiral Quinn when he had an infestation of smart-lice? He should still have
>been no match for Worf. There was one scene in I can't remember which episode
>where the bad guy was making a run for the door when it opened and there was
>Worf.  Worf fended off his rush with a fairly casual gesture, more of what one
>might expect.  What surprises me as well is that, when Worf does fight, he
>*fights*.  A warrior, particularly one with responsibilities, doesn't fight, he
>_wins_.  There is a difference.
> 
>Josephson 


What about in Redemption II when Worf had just finished being tortured by 
the Romulans and was brought back before Sela and the Klingon sisters?
He was still able to level the Romulan who was holding him even though 
he was not in top shape. 

Ronald A. Huizar
User Services Consultant
Academic Computer Services
Texas A&M University
College Station, Tx 77840
RAHHELP@rigel.tamu.edu

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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Quote from "The Outcast"
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:42:57 GMT

In article <Bs306L.3r9@cmptrc.lonestar.org>, tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org (T. Mike Howeth) writes:
> In article <rccarm00.712203805@mik.uky.edu> rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman) writes:
> |
> |   Eloquent isn't exactly the word I would use.  Trite, obvious,
> |over-simplified, and preachy all come to mind...
> |
> 
> Trite: possibly
> obvious: an awful lot of rednecks still don't understand
> over-simplified: not in the LEAST!
> preachy: see "obvious"
> 
> This episode was intended to speak to exactly one issue, and for those of us
> who KNOW about that issue first-hand are happy to hear those words spoken in
> prime time, even if it is trite to most of us (me included).
> 
> Please, no flames - I KNOW that other issues could be umbrella'd under this :)
> 
> -- 
> tmike@cmptrc.lonestar.org                                               __
> "Whoever said 'getting there is half the fun'                           \/
>     has never ridden in a class 8 probe!"

I agree with you.  I hear a lot of people griping that ST:TNG doesn't tackle
"the issues," but when they do, people gripe that it's trite.  I'm not gay
myself, but I have friends who are, and most of them loved the episode.  One
CU professor even used the episode in class to illustrate how discrimination
can be societally encouraged.  I thought it was, on the whole, well done.

Kellie Matthews-Simmons
internet: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: "Data's Head II" (aka Time's Arrow II)
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 13:33:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.054705.10685@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> hpky@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (Hanan Polanski) writes:
>In <1992Jul26.015311.3607@nmsu.edu> rscott@spock.NMSU.Edu (Joseph Good) wonders:
>
>>Okay, please don't flame me cuz I just found this group today...
>
>>Have they already done the second episode to this one??
>>I thought this was the 'season clincher' and we would have to wait until  
>>October or something to see the conclusion.
>
>>Just curious...
>You are CORRECT, sir!

Ha ha ha! YES!

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From: lalombard@amherst.edu
Subject: What's Babylon 5?
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst Mass.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 21:55:57 GMT



	I've seen a good number of posts about a show called "Babylon 5"
What is it?  Is it somehow allied with ST?  (And, if not, why are people 
discussing it on rec.arts.startrek. current?)  Where and when does it take
place? 
	Thanks in advance,
	Lisa 

---
	Lisa Lombard
	lalombard@amherst.edu
Neuroscience major still trying to figure out how they removed Spock's brain...
From: Stefan_Radermacher@k.maus.de (Stefan Radermacher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: President of Federation in TUC
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 02:18:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

William C Thompson (wct@po.CWRU.edu) wrote:

>Did anyone notice that the President of the Federation in STVI (the dude with
>the long white beard) looked a LOT like one of people in the control room in
>STIV?
> Any idea what race he might be?

According to the novel he is a Deltan, just like Lt. Ilia in ST:TMP.

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From: TheMadDoctor@cup.portal.com (Shane Derek Killian)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Poker
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 92 12:50:04 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <4590@daily-planet.concordia.ca> <1992Jul25.174759.26641@umbc3.umbc.edu>

>I think it would be funny, if Kirk is still alive, to have him meet Riker.
>We had Data meet Spock...And better yet have them play poker. Kirk was 
>supposedto have been pretty good at that game with all the bluffing he 
>always wasdoing.
It's hereditary, my friend...hereditary. ;^)


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From: nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn)
Subject: One of the better lines
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:19:43 GMT


I was watching a rerun of "The Outcast" the other week.  Riker and Soren
are in the shuttle craft mapping out the null space pocket.  She, never
taking her eyes off the instrument panel, says:

	"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."

About the only time when I've liked Riker's acting.

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From: garyb@lclark.edu (Gary Bliefernich)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Cause & Effect:  2 questions
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:47:50 GMT
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

>My husbands question:  How come on a ship of over 1000 persons, were
>>>there only 5 couples "getting it on" (so to speak)? :)  :)  :)
>>

>This is probably because it was at a certain time- not over a period.  Don't
>forget that Dr. Crusher only recorded 6.2 seconds.
>
>[I'm new to the net, but enjoying it so far]

Also, what if thier mouth was occupied at the time!!!:-)
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From: mmadsen@eecs.umich.edu (Martin Madsen)
Subject: TREKIES
Organization: University of Michigan
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:27:21 GMT


	Not to be mean or onything like that, I'm pretty new to the nets
and I'd just like to tell all of you TREKIES (sp?) that you are some
of the funniest people around. :)
	I personally find the Spock/Holmes debate Very funny. :):):)


	Keep Trekin'

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From: dfrancis@tronsbox.xei.com (Dennis Heffernan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: cloaking device
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:03:21 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.

In article <collins.711792593@serpent> collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins) writes:
|One of the key points in TUC is the ability of the Bird of Prey
|to fire when cloaked. In the book at any rate it is claimed that
|the Bird of Prey was based on the latest Klingon/Romulan technology, yet in
|ST:TNG is has been claimed that ships cannot fire when cloaked. Ok I
|understand that the Dakronh was destroyed by the Enterprise and Excelsior
|and the proto-type was lost but I find it hard to believe that it hadn't
|been redeveloped by the time of Picard and ST:TNG.
|
	Well dude, I can think of a real simple reason why the technology
wasn't redeveloped...IT DIDN'T WORK!  Exploding prototypes generally
indicate a flaw in theory or execution....

	If you have to rationalize it, assume that whatever aspect of the
so-called "improved" cloak that made it possible to fire when cloaked was
also responsible for not covering the ships exhaust trail, and therefore any
ship using this type of cloak would be a sitting duck for a
properly-equipped homing weapon.

	Keep in mind also that unless the Feds talked, -no one knows- why it
didn't work.  The lord high muckamucks who controlled the purse strings
probably saw that their nice new expensive ship underwent an energetic
indiscrete multidirectional dissassembly, shot the designers and forgot
about the whole idea.


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