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Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: stephas@explorer-dgp.dgp (Tamara Stephas)
Subject: Re: Pronunciations (was Re: Help wanted.)
Summary: pronunciation anecdotes, question about schwa symbol (@?)
Keywords: oregon, pronunciation, pronounce, willamette, dalles, schwa
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:48:57 GMT

More stories for the "Pronouncing Gazetteer of Oregon <OR-uh-g'n> Placenames,"

In article <1ecmfqINNns1@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> pauls@css.itd.umich.edu 
(Paul Southworth) writes:

>Perhaps adding Aloha and The Dalles would be appropriate.

Indeed, The Dalles seems to confuse "furriners" terribly.  Being asked the
way to Dalles is bad enough.  The worst one I know of, however, happened 
either to my parents or a friend of the family  ---  I forget.  Anyway,
they were approached at a freeway pullout on I-84 by the driver of an 
out-of-state car.  He had a much-folded map in his hand, looked very
confused, and wanted to know if he was headed toward "THED-uh-luss."
  "Where?"
  "THED-uh-luss!"
  "Is that a town, or something?"
  The furriner got frustrated,  "What do you mean, is it a town?  It's the
only thing for a hundred miles on this goddam map!  Aren't you from around 
here?"
  "We've lived in this area all our lives, and never heard of Thedalus. Maybe
it's way west near Portland?"
  "It's right HERE!"  The furriner poked the map at them, jabbing it with a
furious index finger.
  "Ohhhhh!  You meant The DALLES!"


Oh, well!  :-)

Say, is there a schwa symbol in ascii?  For those half-ignored "uh" sounding
vowels?  It should really be "OR-@-g@n," shouldn't it?

Just some thoughts . . .

- Tamara
Furrin' Oregonian (by right of residence since the age of 2 :-)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: casspa@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Paul Cass)
Subject: Re: New thread
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 20:03:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.193303.7386@leela.cs.orst.edu> helix@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Helix Fairweather) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov17.232135.250@leland.Stanford.EDU> geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer) writes:
>>
>>   What do you miss most about the Beaver State?
>>
>>People who smile in public places (even at people they don't know yet).
>
>People who care about the environment.
>People who are courteous drivers.
>People who are free-thinkers, old hippies, liberals.
>
>Helix Fairweather
>

I am not THAT old!

A question for all you Oregonians out there - past - present - and future...

My wife will be completing an MS in Sci & Tech Communication in the spring.
We would like to live in one of the forested/mountain communities and
telecommute for a livelyhood.  Preferably a community with a generous
number of item #3 above.  Any suggestions?

We have considered Summit and King Valley and like them both.  In answer
to someone who wondered about the benefits of King Valley because they
could find nothing there....that is the point...exactly.

We drove up around Mill City last weekend.  It was late at night when we
arrived and the fog was pretty thick so there was not much chance to 
explore.  Anyone have any thoughts on this area?

Paul

-- 
                          * * * * * * *
"It is possible to join forces, to identify common goals, and to agree on
 common action." - U.N. World Commission on Development and Environment
		       casspa@jacobs.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: higa@lclark.edu (Keith Higa)
Subject: Re: What is there to DO in Portland?
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:59:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.103633.15756@muddcs.claremont.edu> dfoster@jarthur.claremont.edu (Derek R. Foster) writes:
>P.P.S. Anybody know anything about the new OMSI?

I only hear stuff about it, that it's got a new IMAX theater and that it's 
bigger than the original, and right under the Marquam Bridge.

BTW, how does one get there by Tri-Met?  It seems out of the way of many
of the bus routes...

Keith

-- 
Keith K. Higa                         Lewis & Clark College    
higa@lclark.edu                       Portland, OR, USA
In a hierarchy each member tends to rise to his/her level of incompetence.
                                 --The Peter Principle
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From: higa@lclark.edu (Keith Higa)
Subject: Re: Help wanted.
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:19:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.183653.9843@inel.gov> dpe@inel.gov (Don Palmrose) writes:
>When I lived in Texas and in talking to someone I mentioned that I grew up
>in Astoria, Oregon, they would say something like: "Oh, I have heard it is
>very scenic state and I would like to go to *Or-e-gone* someday."  I reply:
>"Yes *Orygun* is and I miss not living there but I do like living in *Tex-ass*
>also."  Note: Texans prefer saying "Tex-us".  Most get the kidding jab I just 
>made, but it is interesting some of the looks I get for making a "big deal" 
>on how they say Orygun.

This is on a tangent, but when people pronounce Hawaii as "Huh-wah-yuh" I
feel an uncontrollable urge to reply "Fine, thank you."  :-)
ObOregon:  I'm a junior at Lewis & Clark.  My cousin and her husband are
also from Hawaii and LC grads, and settled in Beaverton.  I've come to 
realize what has kept the two of them here to raise their family.  It's 
the Aloha spirit.  (Ah-loh-wuh, not Ah-loh-hah).  ;-)  But I like Oregon,
and I will visit again and again even after I graduate.

-- 
Keith K. Higa                         Lewis & Clark College    
higa@lclark.edu                       Portland, OR, USA
In a hierarchy each member tends to rise to his/her level of incompetence.
                                 --The Peter Principle
From: mute@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (The Amazing Immolating Man)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: New thread
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:18:32 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov18.165611.457@netnews.synoptics.com> franks@synoptics.com writes:
>
>Woodstock's (sigh).  Knew there was something missing in my life.  

And they have the coolest ads on KBVR, too... (The OSU radio station)



-- 
                     We want to be the ones to let you know
                               We've got a surprise for you   PTP
                                         - mute@wpi.wpi.edu   Joshua Brandt -
From: rorem@lclark.edu (Eric Rorem)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Let's here it for MICRO BREWS!!!
Summary: yummy beer
Date: 18 Nov 92 22:09:11 GMT
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

the subject says it all.  when i moved to Boulder for a few monthes 2 summers
ago, what i really missed was the mico brew.  i love the stuff.

my favorites...

Ruby
and of course,
Terminator- the Fulton Pub

eric
rorem@lclark.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: Measure 9 (was Re: Me be a oregoner)
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:53:03 GMT

stansbury-travis@yale.edu (Travis Stansbury) writes:

>In article <1992Nov18.125622.5015@cs.cornell.edu> aleta@cs.cornell.edu (Aleta Ricciardi) writes:
>>
>>that's what i'm curious about.  how'd such a vile thing get so far? 
>>so much support?  on the east coast coverage was sporadic, but i'd be 
>>interested in understanding the tactics this lon mabon person used in
>>hyping measure 9, why these were successful, and - more important - the
>>tactics used to defeat it.  it's no secret that he and others of his ilk
>>plan to target other states...

Lon Mabon stated last week that he is proposing to start the WCA (Washington
Citizens Alliance) and plans to form a measure similar to Measure 9 for
the state of Washington.

>While this is an unscietific, and undocumented opinion, it is my feeling
>form living in Oregon all of my life that there is a large conservative
>population living in the state.  I ususally characterize the state as
>having a large working rural class who generally support such measures,
>along with another more liberal, usually urban, population who would not
>support such initiatives.  This dichotomy is what leads to the explosive
>politics often seen in the state - spotted owl, OMI, and now Measure
>9... I'm from a small logging community of about 3000 people, and having
>lived there all my life, I'm not surprised that Measure 9 enjoyed the
>amount of support that it did.  A friend told me that the high school
>(about 250 students) held a mock election, and that Measure 9 passed
>handily!  Many people call these rural people 'rednecks' but I, for
>obvious reasons, do not prefer that term :)

You hit the bullseye (sorry for stealing Ross Perot's favorite line) on
this one!  The large urban areas were in the majority of being against
Measure 9, whereas the outlying rural areas for definitely in the majority
for supporting Measure 9.  In fact, Ashland (southern Oregon) was supposed
to come out being in the majority against Measure 9, but there were still
enough people in the area who don't necessarily go to the Shakesperean
festivals and such that after counting the votes and all the absentee 
ballots, the Ashland area was in the majority for Measure 9.

allen
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: dak@sq.sq.com (David A Keldsen)
Subject: Re: Me be a oregoner
Keywords:  Slug, Banana
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 03:52:29 GMT

gclapp@javelin.sim.es.com (Glenn Clapp) writes:

>geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer) writes:
>>Wow!  An oregon newsgroup...

>>I was a bit surprised to see the word 'culture' in the same sentence
>>as 'oregon' tho.

>>My youthful days in the greater Tigard area featured neither ballet 
>>nor opera.

>I hate to point this, but niether ballet nor opera define culture.

Nor spelling, for that matter.  ;-)  Nancy's Yogurt, now *that's* culture.

Missing Oregon in Ontario,
Dak
-- 
David A. 'Dak' Keldsen of SoftQuad, Inc. email: dak@sq.com  phone: 416-239-4801
"...and the food was good solid stuff for a cold morning, all calories
and fat and protein and maybe a vitamin crying softly to itself softly
because it was all alone."  _Guards, Guards!_ by Terry Pratchett
From: dockd@CS.ORST.EDU (Dion Dock)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: King's Valley!!
Date: 19 Nov 1992 05:33:06 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Oregon State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: storm.cs.orst.edu

>>I've got one for you: how about King's Valley?  Philomath?  Well,

What's the attraction to King's Valley?  The OSU Cycling Club has a ride that
goes through the place, but is there anything else to recommend there?

-- 
Dion Dock                    __                   __
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From: mfdanie@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL FREDRIC DANIEL)
Subject: A Good Home
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:26:55 GMT

Wow. The way you guys talk about it, I'm homesick for Corvallis too!
Strange since I've never lived more than 2 hours from the Atlantic.
People need a home more than they need a place to live.

Comments?

_______________________________________________________________________________
  /\ \ _  o              		Michael Daniel
 / |/ \ \    |   _       		mfdanie@eos.ncsu.edu
   /  / / |  |/ /_\      		"Insert witty quote here"
  /     \/ \/|\_\__/      		
_______________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: lloyd@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Koenig Lloyd)
Subject: Re: New thread
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 02:19:52 GMT

In article <1ec40cINNoed@caldera.usc.edu> dzappala@caldera.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala) writes:
>
>In article <1ec05rINNedi@pollux.usc.edu>, mholling@pollux.usc.edu (Michelle Hollinger) writes:
>|> 
>|> I really miss the people from my hometown of Portland.
>|> 
>|> Just out of curiosity, are there any native Oregonians out here in LA. 
>|> Maybe we could get together and have a six-pack of Henry's.
>|> 
>|> 							Michelle
>
>Nope, though I do go to Corvallis periodically to visit my girlfriend.
>Now *that* is a wonderful town, whether it be hiking Mary's peak
>or roller-blading the parks or having dinner at Michael's Landing
>over the river...heck, even going to watch the Beavers lose would
>be fun.  I miss Oregon a lot, and I'm not even a resident...
>
>I've been to Portland as well, around Council Crest, and into
>the downtown area.  What great fountains you folks have!  I can't wait
>to visit Portland again over Christmas.  I hope it snows again.
>
>I plan to get out of LA as soon as possible. :-)
>
>
>Daniel

Hey... about Corvallis... you forgot Woodstock's Pizza!

Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: erickson@lclark.edu (Scott Erickson)
Subject: Re: Influx of Californians? Gee--what a surprise!
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 17:28:46 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.141950.16504@cs.ucla.edu> coleman@rocky.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Coleman) writes:
>
>There was a popular sign here a while back was 
>
>	Welcome to California, 
>	Now please leave. 
>
>
>I doubt OR's situation is really unique.  Can anyone quote some hard
>statistics?  Is OR's population growth rate the highest in the country??
>

I can't quote any "hard statistics" (come to think of it, I wouldn't know what
to measure--number of anti-immigration signs?  Seems an awfully unquantifiable
topic), but I do know a bit about Oregon's anti-oustider (and specifically
anti-CA) sentiment.  One of the most popular former governors of Oregon, a
man by the name of Tom McCall, was well-known for his pitches of "Welcome to
Oregon.  We hope you enjoy your visit, and return home when you are done."  

Yes, there is anti-immigration sentiment in other states, but I have never
seen it as institutionalized as it is in Oregon.  I would go so far as to say
that passive "hostility" toward outsiders (spc. CAers) is one factor that
truly characterizes the Oregon psyche; you see a bunch of bumper stickers
that proudly proclaim "NATIVE," for example.  Slamming on Californians 
often takes place in social settings, business meetings/conventions as "ice
breakers," etc.


--Scott Erickson

sorry, we college students can't afford a nifty .sig.
From: 2hujpapaw@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Anyone from Oregon State U?
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:39:49 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services


Hey,
     Does anyone out there know any members of the Lambda Chi Alpha 
fraternity at Oregon State U?  I have a good friend that goes there
while I am stuck in Kansas.  I would like to find out if there is a
way to get in touch with him.  (And I don't think that everyone from
Oregon knows each other, I just need someone from Oregon State)  Any
help at all would be great!

                                           Thanks a lot!

                                           Brett
 
                                           2HUJPAPAW@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU



                        o | /_/_/ "Sea Hare"
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From: wrowe@reed.edu (Wayne S. Rowe)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: Reed College
Date: 24 Nov 92 04:27:57 GMT
Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon

It's good to see things progressing along to maximum potentials of jingoistic
regionalism...the true spirit of the conference topic of course. Great
examples:

--> Also, I think that only people with Oregon email addresses should be
--> allowed to post here!!!

Not to mention the inevitable, "My school is best!"

--> LEWIS & CLARK RULES!!!!!

And the haughty rejoinder of the far removed:

--> Howz life in the little PC-private-school heaven, eh?

Surely a nice and typical sampling of Oregon culture.
Oh well, maybe it'll keep them Californians away...Me, I'm gonna keep moving
North as soon as they infiltrate.
From: jiangh@ucs.orst.edu (Jiang Hao)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Help for the u.s. history????
Date: 21 Nov 1992 01:56:36 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucs.orst.edu


hi, could anyone tell me 5 things about each of those following statement?
1.worldly affairs. 2.art.. etc. 3.government,war,politics.4.OREGON.5.women. 
6.sports.7.technology,industry.(I like to know the things happened in U.S. and
is between 1787-1850)
thanks for the help!!!!
dj
 

Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Me be a oregoner
	<1992Nov17.205652.26390@cs.cornell.edu>
	<1992Nov18.173019.2862@cs.sfu.ca>
Organization: Stonehenge Consulting Services; Portland, Oregon, USA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:44:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.173019.2862@cs.sfu.ca> shell@cs.sfu.ca (Barry Shell) writes:
   I always felt the best example of Oregonian culture was a poster ad
   program I once saw in Portland. The poster showed a fellow in a big
   overcoat, from the back, standing in front of a statue, with the coat
   open. The caption underneath read, "Expose Yourself To Art".

   The interesting thing about this poster, as far as I remember,
   (and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong), was that the fellow
   who posed as the flasher in this poster went on to become the mayor
   of Portland. Sort of like the guy who became the president of
   Czechoslovakia for a while there, the poet.


Yes, the honorable J.E. "Bud" Clark.  His eight-year run as mayor is
up in January, though.

I have a personally autographed copy of this poster up on my wall in
my video production office.  I was the video coordinator for the 6th
annual "Mayor's Ball", 72 bands on 11 stages over nine hours... the
biggest party in the universe (they say).  My crew of 110 volunteers
handled 35 cameras to tape each band from beginning to end, from which
we produced a 15-hour series.  (A *lot* of work to do for charity, but
it was very much fun.)

My poster says "to Randal, the best video guy I know...  Whoop Whoop!"

Just another video producer, and native oregonian,
--
Randal L. Schwartz / Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095
merlyn@ora.com (semi-permanent) merlyn@reed.edu (for newsreading only)
factoid: "Portland, Oregon, home of the California Raisins and Lone-Star Beer!"
From: scotts@math.orst.edu (Scott Settlemier)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Corvallis
Date: 19 Nov 1992 22:45:37 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University Math Department
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: buyme.math.orst.edu

Having grown up in Portland, I entered the army and was homesick in Arizona
for a year and half (And 6 months of hell in Alabama. I hate that state.
Arizona was cool though.) and then lived in Eugene for four years attending
the UofO. I liked Eugene a lot. The atmosphere was much more casual,
intelligent, concerned, and outdoorsy (and other good, from my point of view,
traits) than Portland's. However, I still miss Portland's downtown area and
culture. If you could just transplant downtown Portland into Eugene, you'd
have the greatest city! Now, I'm living in Corvallis and, frankly, find the
place boring. Why are there so many good comments about Corvallis? I'm
eager to change my opinion about this. What're some good places to go dance?
(The Peacock plays awful canned music.) What's a good way of getting together
with folks for some outdoor fun and adventure? It seems Corvallis need's
something like the WOW hall (is that what that building next to Allan
Brother's will be? I hope so.), the Bijou Theatre, Club Arena, the UofO
Outdoor Program Trip Boards, the Grower's Market, the Saturday Market (I have
heard that one is being planned.), Wistec, some more bars with live music,
etc. (Anyone know about things like these in Corvallis?) On the positive side,
Corvallis has some really nice coffee houses, a nice pool bar, a decent
natural foods store, plenty of "high" culture, a good music store, nice parks
and a nice university campus.
Please forgive this fool's griping. I guess I just miss Eugene and what I
really need is some help in seeing how nice Corvallis is too.
By the way, the women in Eugene really are _so_ much more attractive.
(I've friends who moved from Corvallis to Eugene who agree with me. I wonder
why that is? Anyone agree/disagree? How about the men, ladies?)

Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: helix@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Helix Fairweather)
Subject: Re: New thread
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 19:33:03 GMT

>In article <1992Nov17.232135.250@leland.Stanford.EDU> geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer) writes:
>
>   What do you miss most about the Beaver State?
>
>People who smile in public places (even at people they don't know yet).

People who care about the environment.
People who are courteous drivers.
People who are free-thinkers, old hippies, liberals.

Helix Fairweather

Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: casspa@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (Paul Cass)
Subject: Re: Me be a oregoner
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 18:44:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.033554.11781@data-io.com> dietz@Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz) writes:
>
>Also, I hear that the Spruce Goose (Howard Hughes' colossal wooden float
>plane) is being (or has been moved) to McMinnville.  Anyone heard any 
>details on this?  My father-in-law swears that he was in the San Fransisco
>Bay aboard the USS Helena when the Goose took its flight into infamy.  Says
>he came on deck just as the plane cleared the water.  Cool, huh?
>
>Kent Dietz
>Naturalized Native of Junction City (home of the world-famous Scandinavian
>Festival <- culture?)

The Spruce Goose was dismantled and floated up the Williamette a few weeks
ago.  They are now busy reconstructing it.
Paul

-- 
                          * * * * * * *
"It is possible to join forces, to identify common goals, and to agree on
 common action." - U.N. World Commission on Development and Environment
		       casspa@jacobs.cs.orst.edu
From: @prism.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
Subject: Re: King's Valley!!
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:28:10 GMT
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.
NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.cs.orst.edu

In article <1992Nov18.100443.2596@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu> kurtg@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu writes:
>I've got one for you: how about King's Valley?  Philomath?  Well,
>Things I miss:
>
>- trees
>- llamas
>- OSU
>- OSU Beavers


OSU Beaver football games, believe it or not.  Back in the early/mid
80's during my undergrad days, the ushers at the games really didn't
care much if you took alcohol into the stadium.  As long as it wasn't
in bottles or cans.  The usual plan of action was to sit in the rain,
drink heavily, and watch the beavs get stomped.  Had a few ugly
encounters with wine that came in a cardboard box.

Hey, 22 straight losing seasons...It's a tradition.

Mr. Bills at Murphy's.  Play trivial pursuit, winners get free 
beer.  My idea of bliss.

Cool mountain bike trails 5 minutes outside of town.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon
From: glazer@cs.cornell.edu (Scott Glazer)
Subject: Re: Me be a oregoner
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 20:56:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.182512.11421@leland.Stanford.EDU> geddy@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Schaefer) writes:
>Wow!  An oregon newsgroup...
>
>I was a bit surprised to see the word 'culture' in the same sentence
>as 'oregon' tho.
>

Aw, come on, yogurt culture was one of the most popular things around when
I was growing up in Eugene.  Mmmm....Keifer.  (No not Sutherland.)
--Scott G



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