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From: mstern@lindsay.Princeton.EDU (Marlene Stern)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Craft boutique
Keywords: Papillomatosis
Date: 28 Jul 92 19:34:53 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

You may remember my posting last November about my 2 year old daughter Lindsay,  
who was diagnosed with Juvenile Laryngeal Papillomatosis.  JLP is an illness  
caused by the Human Papilloma Virus that causes wart-like tumors to grow in the  
larynx, vocal cords, and trachea of its victims.  If not removed, the growths  
can cause death from suffocation.  Lindsay has undergone 10 surgical procedures  
since November 1991 and currently undergoes surgery at Children's Hospital of  
Phila. every three weeks.  The doctors suspect that she contracted the virus by  
going through a birth canal infected with cervical warts.  Lindsay was born in  
Korea and came home to us when she was 13 months old.  She was diagnosed with  
JLP on our first anniversary together.  We had never heard of JLP but we  
constantly complained to our pediatrician for a year about symptoms such as a  
chronic cough, heavy breathing, load snoring, etc., and heard everything from  
post nasal drip to asthma, to milk allergy, and croup.  She was finally  
diagnosed by an ENT when she had 99% airway blockage and we were within hours  
of losing her.  

With the help of Children's Hospital of Phila. my husband and I have started a  
support network for families coping with this devastating illness.  Through  
this support network we have become actively involved with a foundation to  
raise public awareness about JLP, so children can be more readily diagnosed and  
treated, and to raise funds for research for prevention and cure.  

On Saturday and Sunday, August 15 and 16, 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.  we will be holding  
a craft boutique at our home at 50 Wesleyan Drive, Hamilton Sq., N.J. to  
benefit the Lazar Foundation for Juvenile Laryngeal Papillomatosis.  Those  
seeking beautiful crafts and gifts will find hand painted children and adult  
clothing, several different types of handmade jewelry, silk scarfs, custom  
portrait paining, leather handbags and belts, and much more.  Over 40 crafters  
will be displaying their creations.  Tupperware products and Discovery Toys  
will also be available for order. 

Twenty percent of all sales will be donoated to the Lazar Foundation.  Please  
join us for a fun weekend, if you can, and help us to help the children  
breathe!  For information and directions, please call Marlene Stern at
609-890-0502 or email mstern@pucc.princeton.edu.  Thank you for your support.
  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling)
Subject: Why Is Peeing Yucky?
Organization: Manlius Pebble Hill School; Dewitt, NY
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 20:16:41 EDT

Hmm...in response to the question about why the kid feels that peeing is
yucky, I can only say that I have a little cousin who I wish would feel
the same way.

Why?  Because I suspect that the kid who feels that it's yucky (or at
least getting it on her hands is) feels that way because she was taught
to always wash her hands after she finishes going to the bathroom as a
result of the germs in urine and feces that could cause illness if they
came into contact with food.  It would sure be nice if my little cousin
felt that way.  His basic feeling is that if he didn't get anything he
can see or feel on his hands, there's no need to wash them.

As for myself, I have to wash my hands not only after actually going to
the bathroom, but also after having touched the toilet seat or touching
the flush handle.  This, I suppose comes from years of working in food
service, and being trained to be especially sensitive to the issue of 
waste borne contamination.

So...I can really think of worse things than for the kid to think that
getting urine on her hands is yucky.

--
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*          Opinions?  I've got plenty of them.  Just ask my wife!           *
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jeana@sco.COM (Jean Antisdel)
Subject: Hitting/Potty Training (3 yr)
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:23:10 GMT



Hi 

I wanted to pull the net wisdom on a couple of things.

1) I have recently started having a problem with my (just turned) 
3 year old son.  He has begun hitting and biting me when he doesn't 
like an answer to a request.  

For example, yesterday we were waiting to start our swimming lessons.
While we were waiting he wanted to go walk over by the train.
I said no (there wasn't enough time and I didn't have any shoes on).
He then started hitting me.  Note that this is not a "tantrum"
(i.e. he's not out of control, angry, crying, loud).

I've tried saying "no" very firmly, loudly.  I've tried walking away
(he follow me and continues to hit me).  I've tried holding him and
telling him I'm sorry we can't do what he wants (he squirms away and
resumes hitting/biting).  I've tried holding his arms so he can't hit and
talking to him (again he squirms away and resumes hitting/biting).

2) potty training.  I've read the faq already... perhaps I just need
to be patient?  I think he is ready for potty training but he has
no interest in sitting on his potty chair.  He says "no, i'm not big
enough yet".  He knows when he is going.  Sometimes he'll tell me in
advance when he is going to go.  He doesn't like to run around naked
or in just a diaper.  We've read lots of potty type books like Mr Rogers
talks about potty training, once upon a potty, etc and he enjoys the
book... but still no interest.  Any suggestions on how to motivate him?

I'd appreciate any suggestions.  If anyone is interested I'll post a summary.
jeana
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 10:49:46 EDT
From: Chris Himes <CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Discipline (again!)

I almost hate to bring this up, since I'll be on vacation next week and may
miss most of the responses/posts, but it's been bugging me all morning.

We have taken a pretty relaxed attitude towards discipline in our house.
There are two basic NOs--don't play in the dog's dishes and don't play with
the toilet/toilet paper.  Other than that we have tried to pretty much
remove other inviting nuisances.  He has also started to stand up in his
high chair, which we are adding to the NO list.  Doug is 10.5 mos.  old and
walking about 1/2 the time now.

Last night, Doug and I were enjoying the yard before bathtime.  He wandered
over to a large bed of marigolds and began pulling off the flowers, showing
them to me, rubbing them around, etc.  My neighbor came out to visit and
remarked, "I can't believe you are letting him do that!" Well, I had never
really thought about it much, it didn't seem DANGEROUS, we had lots of
flowers,...  But, it got me thinking, are we setting the stage for problems
later if we don't start setting more rules now?  It's not like the kid is a
terror or anything and I probably would have stopped him from picking
someone else's flowers.  Is that too inconsistent for a baby to grasp?  I
don't want to start something now that will cause problems later, but I also
don't want to limit his exploring--he seems to just be at an age where he
will go off for awhile on his own without his dad or me right there.

I'd like to hear how other parents deal/dealt with discipline from about
this age until 2 or so.

Chris Himes
From: smb@ulysses.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: cute things they say (just about 3)
Date: 31 Jul 92 20:04:09 GMT

Two stories, for the price of one...

Daniel, upon being told that he wasn't going swimming today because
of the rain:  ``Will there be a puddle in the pool?''

Later, that very same morning, he very grumpily asked for some cheese
by snarling ``gimme cheese''.  I explained that that wasn't a polite
was to ask for things.  ``Cookie Monster do that.''  I told him that
he was a boy, and that he was going to grow up to be a man, not a
monster, so we wanted to teach him to act appropriately.  ``No.  When
I grow up, I gonna be a monster, and gobble up all my friends!''


		--Steve Bellovin
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor (% wise)
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:18:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.150640.10057@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>
>  Easy, don't go to the hospital until you're more than 5 cm.
>  That way they won't give you an epidural.  I can't imagine
>  having a tube stuck in my back.  Ow!  Since my doctor (Ms.
>  Demoral) didn't show up, I escaped that also.  I can't
>  imagine an iv sticking in my arm either.  Labor is a
>  very physical athletic event.  I found the fetal monitor
>  too constricting.  I wish the doctors wouldn't go around
>  sticking needles and tubes into everyone.  How can you
>  push with all that gear hampering you?

Our OB has this on a plaque on his wall: "Thou shalt not go unto the
hospital before thou art 5 cm dilated".  It's a great way to avoid
unnecessary intervention.  But if you don't want an epidural, all you
have to do is say "I don't want an epidural".  You're the boss; the
doctor and the hospital staff are your paid servants.  Remember that!
They have more knowlege than you do (as do most consultants), but you
and not they are the final authority.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@ttidca.tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@ttidca.tti.com to you!)
{philabs,psivax,pyramid,quad1,rdlvax,retix,rutgers}!ttidca!reid
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How much does having a baby cost?
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:01:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: keps.1992Jul29.160124.22596
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems

In article <92211.093222CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes) writes:
>The insurance covered nothing for the ultrasound, not medically necessary--we
>had it to confirm dates.  I had the NST and stress tests due to post-dates and
>a conservative doctor :-)  (I think 3 NST in two weeks is a little overboard).

It seems overboard since the placenta was still functioning fine.  However,
with post-maturity, there is the concern that the placenta will begin to
deteriorate (I read somewhere that it is only good to 42 weeks, then starts
deteriorating).  The change in the baby's response over the course of a few
days can be dramatic if the placenta is no longer functioning optimally.  I
had other problems with my placenta and had 3 non-stress tests (the last one 
becoming a stress test) in 5 days - the change was very noticeable. 
-- 
Maureen Busch				|Small world, but I wouldn't want to
Internet: mbb@keps.kodak.com		|paint it - Steven Wright
UUCP: ...!{harvard!ima,uunet!atexnet}!munsell!cairo!mbb
DISCLAIMER:  The opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu Ayala)
Subject: Re: baby's last name?
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 13:03:44 GMT

In article <3924@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us> peggy@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:
>In article <1992Jul17.154702.12104@unlinfo.unl.edu>, efink@unlinfo.unl.edu (evelyn fink) writes:
>> Has anyone had a difficult time deciding which of the parent's two 
>> last names the baby is going to use?   For ideological reasons I feel 
>> 
>> Any experience on this????
>> 
>> Evelyn 
>> efink@unl.edu
>
>We did have a tough time with this one.  Jake ended up with my
>last name, the maternal last name.
>
>The next baby will have Chris' last name.  We're doing that to be
>fair.
>

  That's what I'm lobbying for.  Unfortunately my husband
  considers it a non-issue.  All kids, especially sons,
  have to have his last name.  Even when I pointed out that
  my brother, the only son of an only son is not married
  and unlikely to pass on the Chu name.  My husband still
  says "no".
From: pburch@cmb.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: posting without netnews access
Date: 22 Jul 1992 17:19:46 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I tried to e-mail Sherry Tatar and failed--the exclamation point appears
to screw things up.

Anyway, she, as well as others, might be interested in a service whereby
you can post a message by mailing it to a certain address. The address
would be
                      misc-kids@cs.utexas.edu
This saves getting a friend to post for you, and I think that it might be
set up so replies go to the original sender.

This service seems to work for most newsgroups, as long as you replace
the periods with dashes.

This posting will serve as a test--I'm sending it to cs.utexas.edu. If it
works, tell your friends who want to post without having access to do so.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: kupstas@rainier.cs.unc.edu (Eileen Kupstas)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Musical Tapes For babies/toddlers
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:44:28 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill


 Several people have recommended Sesame Street tapes; 
WHERE can I get them? I've looked at standard record stores,
Toys 'R Us, and at Phar-Mor (a large warehouse style "we-
have-everything" store). No luck. My nieces and nephew are
being deprived of one of _my_ favorite adult-child pastimes.

Please help me get the words to "Rubber Ducky"!

Eileen
From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Birth interventions--Vital Stats.
Date: 31 Jul 92 00:16:51 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <92212.141615CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu> CLH7@psuvm.psu.edu (Chris Himes) writes:
.reports.  But, on my way I ran across an interesting table on birth
.interventions.  The following rates are for 1989, the latest available.  THe
.rates represent the use of a specified obstetric procedure per 1,000 live
.births.  All rates exclude Louisiana, Nebraska, and Oklahoma.

Hmmm, I wonder why they exclude stillbirths?

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.
    D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com          Let sleeping dogs^H^H^H^Hbabies lie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bsirvine@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Flogger-D)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 14:23:56 EDT

In article <daved.711831468@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
>In <1992Jul22.175738.3968@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> dhanson@nyx.cs.du.edu (David L. Hanson) writes:
>
>>Reposted with a correction(near bottom):
>
>>Now that we have seen what man has to say about children (re: Hillary
>>Clinton - Family Values), let's see some of what God has to say:
>
>( lot's of biblical quotes,  etc)
>
>God did not write the bible, people did, and even if God did write the
>original bible, it has been revised by people repeatedly.
>
>I am asking for the consideration of not being preached to about specific 
>religous beliefs which I do not share.
>
>Please keep your religion to yourself and those who invite you to share it
>with them.
>
>Respectfully Yours
>
>Dave

Your post in response to David Hanson was uncalled for.  He has every right
to post what he wants.  He clearly identified his post by subject.  No one
forced you to read it.  The only more Politically Correct thing he
could have done was to say:

"Now that we have seen what man (generic) has to say about children,
let's see what MY God has to say:"

(If I had posted something about my religion that is what I would have
written.)

IMHO people who feel a need to supress religion are equivalent to those
who feel a need to force religion upon us.

Also Respectfully,

bsirvine
From: sudha@pollux.usc.edu (Sudha Kumar)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Parents Adjusting and Coping with Crying
Date: 28 Jul 1992 10:45:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu


In article <1992Jul28.041312.11062@cbnewse.cb.att.com> donna@vogon.att.com (Donna J. Dixon) writes:
>From article <1992Jul27.000301.18615@cgrg.ohio-state.edu>, by ashley@osc.edu (Ashley Burns):

>  
   We switched her to a special formula, "Nutramigen"
>  which is for babies that have a lactose intolerance (may account for
>  all the crying).  It is more expensive, but after 3 months, we were
>  able to put her back on regular formula.  It appears that once the
>  colic fades away,  the lactose intolerance does also in most cases.

(Other stuff deleted)
>--
>Donna J. Dixon
>Naperville, Illinois
>{ ...!att!vogon!donna, donna@vogon.att.com }



I tried Nutramigen for Anu for a while when the doctor wanted her off
both Enfamil and soy based formulas and she got a terrible reaction
from it.  Every time we gave it to her she had diarreah.  The doctor
said that it was really strange and since Nutramigen was "predigested"
or something this could not really be possible.  But, we definately
noticed a trend that the day after she got Nutramigen, she would
delevop a bad diarreah and a resultant diaper rash.  It has happened
more than a couple of times. (This is really expensive formula though
and I am actually happy that I don't have to buy it.)  Has anyone else
experienced this?


Sudha


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault)
Subject: Re: Birth Announcement/Labor Story
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:31:53 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.180759.1337@afit.af.mil> mgaudrea@csc.afit.af.mil writes:
>Pierre, Michele, and Marie joyfully announce the arrival of
>
>            Liana Michele Gaudreault
>
>            Born May 23, 1992 at 8:04 in the evening
>
>            8 lbs     20 in
>
>
I forgot to add: Apgars were 9 and 10  (I thought they should have been
10 and 10 -- she was PERFECT!)
 
Michele  

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: nelson@mdd.comm.mot.com (Mike Nelson)
Subject: Re: Why Is Peeing Yucky?
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:56:45 GMT

In article <Bs4q36.A8w@news.cso.uiuc.edu> slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:
>brett@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Brett K. Carver) writes:
>
>>In misc.kids, sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
>
>>> Actually, urine is sterile.
>
>>It may be, but it contains a LOT of stuff that promotes bacteria growth.
>>Every seen (or smelled) an unflushed (urine only) toilet after a couple of
>>days?  There's something growing in there...
>
>>Note: sterile does NOT mean clean, good for other uses, etc.
>
>>I think I'll wait for a stream, thank you.  What, no water you say?
>>Then I've got more important things to worry about that a dirty cut.
>
>Oooh, bad idea.  How do you know there isn't a dead, decaying sheep lying
>in fifty yards upstream?  Fish defecate AND urinate in it.  Bacteria, mold,
>and spores from leaves wash into it after every storm. Many streams have 
>giardia problems (a very nasty intestinal parasite).  No question about
>it.  If boiled water is not immediately available, please drop 'em and
>relieve yourselves on my open wound.  It may sound disgusting, but the
>human body is one heck of a filter.
>
>>							Brett Carver
>>							brett@sr.hp.com
>
>Steve Kellmeyer

To make this a little more disgusting. I read/heard/saw once that
maggots were used during WWI by the men in the trenches to sterilize
wounds. Maggots live off of bacteria and thereby continually
clean the wound. Sounds awfull but again would be preferable
to losing some part of your body to infection.

For anyone who doesn't know maggots are fly larvae. You might
see some in a open can of dog food thats been laying around for
a few weeks.

Mike N.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch)
Subject: Re: Nice Furniture and kids
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:56:09 GMT

In article <18570@drutx.ATT.COM> seb1@druhi.att.com writes:
|>In article <1992Jul22.193445.10704@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, wensel@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Sharon Taylor) writes:
|>|> I'll also second the other poster who suggested getting
|>|> fabric colors and patterns that hide stains.  Before you
|>|> buy new furniture, imagine what it will look like with
|>|> grape juice and chip crumbs spilled all over it.  :-)

|>Ah, a tip from a friend of mine: white grape juice. I would think
|>purple grape juice should have a skull and crossbones on it in any
|>house with children! :-)

Warning:  Do *NOT* let the color lull you into a false sense of security.
Although white grape juice and apple juice do not stain the way purple grape
juice does, you must be every bit as diligent about wiping up every spill and
every dribble.  I got careless about it at one point and now have lots of
little dark brown spots on a light colored carpet thanks to juice drops 
that weren't cleaned up propmptly and/or thoroughly )-;  I'd be a lot more
bummed about it if I liked the carpet!
-- 
Maureen Busch				|Small world, but I wouldn't want to
Internet: mbb@keps.kodak.com		|paint it - Steven Wright
UUCP: ...!{harvard!ima,uunet!atexnet}!munsell!cairo!mbb
DISCLAIMER:  The opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Funny things we do: 1 week
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:23:50 GMT


Today, when mama was changing me, she thought she could prevent
problems by throwing an extra diaper over me.  I sure tricked her,
though.  Just as she was lifting me up to slide the new diaper
underneath me, I let go front and back at the _same_ time. 

I didn't manage to hit mama, but I got the new diaper, the covering
diaper, the fresh cover on the changing table, and the wall behind my
changing table.

Am I super pooper baby, or what?

--Jordan
age: 1 week
posting from mama's account
--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
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