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From: tekantj@f109a.fdata.se (Anders Tj{der)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: WANTED: Email software
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:07:33 GMT
Organization: F|rsvarsData (Defence Data Systems Agency)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Hello

I'm making a small research about mailreaders.

My criteras are:

*  A useragent which is so easy to use that a
   non-technical person could use it without problem

*  Compiles under Unix System V R3 (NCR Tower SVR3)

*  Preferable Public Doamin software but Commerical software is
   also interesting

*  Can run on ordinary ASCII terminals and possibly X terminals

*  Follow all mail standards e.g RFC

Is there any existing software which fulfill my "dreams"?

I myself use ELM 2.3 pl11 which I think is a good one but then
I am a "hacker" type of person.

Best regards,
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From: robinson@stout.geo.brown.edu (Darrin Robinson)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Vax/VMS email query.
Followup-To: comp.mail.misc
Date: 19 Nov 1992 13:46:18 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Information Systems
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: stout.geo.brown.edu
Summary: How to send BINARY files over VAX/VMS Mail
Keywords: VAX VMS MAIL FOREIGN EMAIL EXTRACT UNSUPPORTED

In article <19956.2b0a9e54@ul.ie> you write:
>Just wondering, out of ignorance, is there any way to mail .exe files over
>a VAX/VMS system?
>
>Kathleen.
>

Kathleen, use the UNSUPPORTED function $ MAIL/FOREIGN... it works!

To extract the receiving person just has to go into mail... when attempting
to READ this messaage they'll get...

From:   PGGIPL::ROBINSON     "Darrin Robinson ""Read My MIPS, No New VAXes!""
To:     ROBINSON
CC:     ROBINSON
Subj:
 
%MAIL-E-FORMSG, you cannot read this foreign format message
        Use the EXTRACT command to copy the message to an external file
 

Where they can type extract <filename>..

When sending the message, it's a good idea to use the SUBJECT qualifier so
you can tell them the name of the file, etc...

i.e.

$ MAIL/FOREIGN/SUBJECT="VERB.EXE as requested Darrin, VERB command"

And when I read mail I'll get...

    #1          19-NOV-1992 08:40:40.71                                  NEWMAIL
From:   PGGIPL::ROBINSON     "Darrin Robinson ""Read My MIPS, No New VAXes!""
To:     ROBINSON
CC:     ROBINSON
Subj:   VERB.EXE as requested Darrin, VERB command
 
%MAIL-E-FORMSG, you cannot read this foreign format message
        Use the EXTRACT command to copy the message to an external file
 

That way I know what exe was sent to me!

Darrin
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 .  Cambridge, MA 02319                AT&Tnet  (617) 253-0131 
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: jamie@qed.psych.unc.edu (James K. Sanchez Goebel)
Subject: How to email to KENYA and/or The United Nations
Reply-To: jamie@qed.psych.unc.edu
Organization: Cognitive Psychology, UNC-Chapel Hill
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:31:12 GMT

Jambo,
	I am looking for several internet gateways.  (1) How can I email to 
United Nations member organizations.  I particularly want to contact the United
Nations Environmental Program, headquartered in Niarobi Kenya.  (2) Is there access
to Kenya/Africa through the internet?  If so, how? (3) I used to be able to contact
hosts on CGNET (Consultitive Group Net) does anybody know why it might have stopped? 

Thank you,
Jamie

               Jamie Sanchez Goebel, sounds like "go-bull"
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From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Sender's Name as Default Mailbox Name When Saving Posts
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:32:46 GMT
Reply-To: <lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In mm, is it possible to automate saving (copying/moving) messages so 
that they are saved in files named by the sender's last name?

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From: torres@ee.fit.edu (Francisco Torres)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Special Characters?
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:44:46 GMT
Organization: Florida Tech, CP/EE Dept.

I was wondering if anybody knows if the mail system file uses any special character
to distinguish between mail messages.  If it does could anyone send me a response
with that the character is.  I am writing a mail program for my os class and knowing
if there is a special character would make it very simple.  I have asked and looked
in the books available in the lab and have not been successful finding out.

Thanks in advance,
Frank

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From: nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Mailing to a VAX host
Date: 16 Nov 1992 12:29:00 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In <CMM.0.90.2.721565342.phongn@vilhelm.uio.no> Phong Ngo
<phongn@math.uio.no> asks: 

>  What is the gateway of a VAX host at Intel Corp., CA which I could send
> mail from an internet host to a such VAX. The address is HOST::USER. Any
> information would be appreciated. 

Sending mail 

To:       service@nic.ddn.mil
Subject:  whois intel corp.

should produce one or more records which may reveal an email address for a 
postmaster who could answer your question authoritatively.

Ric <nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil>  <nauen%wrmain.decnet@detrick-emh1.army.mil>
           ^^^^^Walter Reed Army Institute of Research
        U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Whois: intel corp.
There are 45 matches.  Show them?  No
From: giani@nexus.yorku.ca (John Sfetsas)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Coverting PROFS mail to MS-MAIL format...
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:13:50 GMT
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Originator: giani@nexus.yorku.ca


Hello netland,

In our organization we are in the process of installing MS-MAIL to be used as
a campus wide electronic mail. Thus existing PROFS users will have to be transfered over to the new mail system and as a result one of our tasks will be to 
convert PROFS mail notebooks into an MS-MAIL format. Has anyone done such a
thing before  or has some experience with such a conversion ?

Any ideas will be very welcome.
Thanks in advance for your time.

Reach me at : giani@gumby.yorku.ca
-- 

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        ( User Services Division )  \\ Usenet: ...!utzoo!yunexus!Giani
            York University         \\ Nexus :  Giani@nexus.yorku.ca
From: nauen@wrair-emh1.army.mil
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Sending mail to...
Date: 16 Nov 1992 17:54:39 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In <BxLxEp.48@world.std.com> obsidian@world.std.com (Bill Mackiewicz) asks

> We recently received email from someone with the email address
> username@39.671, and are unable to reply to this person from our Unix
> account.  Has anyone run across this type of address before, and would you
> mind telling me how to reply?  Thanks, 

Doubt that your type of account has anything to do with your inability to 
reply.  I wouldn't be able to reply from my Vax account either.  

Seems like the sending machine or possibly a gateway machine between the 
mail's origin and your location is broken, failing to put a recognizable 
address on mail which it passes.  Seems like it might be easier to 
determine where the problem is and advise you on how to circumvent it if 
you were able to produce a full set of headers.  Just the address by itself 
is pretty vague.

Ric

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: bbs-jazzyjay@jwt.UUCP (Jason Giddens)
Subject: Prodigy E-mail?
Reply-To: bbs-jazzyjay@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 04:28:34 GMT

Is it possible to get mail to prodigy from the usenet/internet domain?  i 
know its possible to do so to Compuserve etc.. thanx..


Jason Giddens
bbs.jazzyjay@jwt.uucp
From: jii@rhi.hi.is (Jon Ingi Ingimundarson)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Fax and snail mail
Summary: Sending letters or fax through Internet
Keywords: fax, post service
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:05:47 GMT


Greetings,

I'm looking for ways to send fax and post through the Internet mail service
to USA.  My brother is staying as an exchange student in a small town on
the east coast and doesn't have access to any computer services.  Are there
any companies which I can buy such services from?

Jon Ingi,
jii@rhi.hi.is
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: berg@physik.tu-muenchen.de (Stephen R. van den Berg)
Subject: Re: probable procmail problem
Originator: berg@tabaqui
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:04:44 GMT

>Until recently I was the only one using procmail on our system. Last week
>my colleague also started using procmail and that's when the problems
>started.

>We have difficulties receiving mail from mailing lists we are both on.
>For example, we are both on a staff and develop mailing list, both locally.
>These used to work perfectly.

>It seems from the /var/log/syslog that only one of us is getting mail and
>that is indeed what is happening in reality.

You probably have a (very) old version of procmail, it still contains
the insufficient recommendation that you use:

"IIFS=' ';exec /usr/local/bin/procmail"

as the contents of your .forward file.

This tends to confuse sendmail (clearly a bug in sendmail) when multiple
users use this as their .forward file contents.  The new & improved
recommendation looks like:

"|IFS=' ';exec /usr/local/bin/procmail #YOUR_LOGIN_NAME"

Of course, substitute your, resp. your friend's username for YOUR_LOGIN_NAME.
*Don't* omit the '#'.

P.S. I can unofficially announce that there exists a procmail mailinglist.
     It will be officially announced when v2.80 of procmail is released.

     For people that want to get on it now, subscription requests to:

	procmail-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de
-- 
Sincerely,                                  berg@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
           Stephen R. van den Berg (AKA BuGless).    berg@physik.tu-muenchen.de

"I have a *cunning* plan!"
From: thomas@olorin.dark.sub.org (Thomas Fischer)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: zmailer and NS3.0
Date: 21 Nov 92 06:49:28 GMT
Organization: Olorin, NeXT Development & System Administration, FRG

Hi,

Anyone out there who compiled zmailer on a NeXT running NS3.0 ?!?

Could you please send your Config and hostenv files to me...

Thanks,
 Thomas
-- 
All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed.
		-- Sean O'Casey
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From: gilf@vms.huji.ac.il (Gil Freund)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Connecting to CIX from Internet
Date: 14 Nov 92 12:10:21 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel

Can anyone direct my how to connect from and Internet/Bitnet account to a CIX
account. Does CIX have a domain name I can Telnet/Rlogin to?
If I am barking up th wrong tree (newsgroup), can anyone recommend a
newsgroup to check?

Thanks

--
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.sendmail
From: bowman@gagme.chi.il.us (Ryan M. Lee)
Subject: E-mail from Chicago to Lithuania
Originator: @gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:36:12 GMT


Recently I have been interested in sending mail 
internationally...specifically to Lithuania or 
another country in that area. A friend of mine
says that there is a large network within Lithuania
called "Completa." I have been trying to find out
how to connect to Completa or send E-mail to 
someone in Lithuania who could tell me how to do
that. Could someone help me with this? Are there
Inet representatives for different countries who
might know the answers? Any help would be 
appreciated.

                            bowman@gagme.chi.il.us


Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: E-mail from Chicago to Lithuania
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 22:05:25 GMT

In article <@> bowman@gagme.chi.il.us (Ryan M. Lee) writes:
>
>Recently I have been interested in sending mail internationally...
>specifically to Lithuania or another country in that area. A friend of mine
>says that there is a large network within Lithuania called "Completa." 
>I have been trying to find out how to connect to Completa or send E-mail to 
>someone in Lithuania who could tell me how to do that. 
>Could someone help me with this? Are there Inet representatives for 
>different countries who might know the answers? Any help would be appreciated.

$
$ telnet nic.ddn.mil. 
$ whois lt-dom 

Top-level domain for the Republic of Lithuania (LT-DOM) 
   Lithuanian Academy of Sciences 
   Institute of Mathematics and Informatics 
   Akademijos 4, Vilnius 2600, Lithuania 
 
   Administrative Contact: 
      Pakstas, Algirdas  (AP44)  a.pakstas@MA-MII.LT.SU     +7 0122 359704 
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact: 
      Stradalov, Georgi  (GS1119)  g.stradalov@ma-mii.lt.su +7 0122 359702 
 
   Top Level domain for the Republic of Lithuania 
 
   For information concerning this domain, 
   please consult the Administrative Contact listed above. 


Whois: lv-dom 
Communication Center of Latvian Universities (LV-DOM) 
   Aspazijas Blvd. 5, Riga 47, LATVIA 
 
   Administrative Contact: 
      Berzins, Ugis  (UB2)  ugis.berzins@FLS.N495.Z2.FIDONET.ORG +7-0132-227-211 
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact: 
      Eriksen, Bjorn  (BE10)  ber@NIC.NORDU.NET                  +46 8 790 6513 
 
   Top Level domain for the Republic of Latvia 
$ exit 
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: grusin@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (GRUSIN MICHAEL)
Subject: How do you email DEC employees? (person@machine.enet.dec.com)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:37:19 GMT


I have some friends that work at DEC who have given me email addresses
("person@machine.enet.dec.com"), but my school machine always responds
with "host not known" when I try and email or finger them.

Is there some special way to get through to "enet"?
Is there a special address format I'm not using?
(Don't flame, I'm still learning this stuff).

Thanks, -Mike (grusin@rintintin.colorado.edu)
"I'm surrounded by idiots of my own design" -Joel, MST3000
From: mjo@slee01.srl.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: dxmail on ULTRIX
Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:29:46 GMT
Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Co.
Reply-To: "Mike O'Connor" <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com

In article <1992Nov16.142027.21114@decuac.dec.com> avolio@dco.DEC.COM
(Frederick M. Avolio) writes:

:If I have an address
:
:		something!else%host.UUCP@domain
:
:while it is ugly, and I'd rather die than generate such an address, the
:assumption is that "domain" will handle what is on the right hand side and
:if it generated it, it must be able to handle it. 

Assumption valid, in an RFC Internet universe.  

	Everything to the left should be resolved by "domain".

Assumption NOT valid in a UUCP universe.

	Everything to the right of "something" could get resolved by
	"something".

The initial poster got this address from (as I recall) "a Sun so it
must be right".  I never said that these addresses were invalid, just
that they tended to cause problems.   

						...Mike


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.headers
From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
Subject: Re: Semantic Difference Between Reply-To and Return-Path?
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:04:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov22.012812.23894@netcom.com> westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:
>Can someone explain the semantic difference between the two RFC-822
>headers Reply-To and Return-Path?

This is perhaps an over simplification, but:

	"Return-Path:" is for reports of errors and failures to deliver
	the message.  It identifies the person responsible for sending
	the message on the network.

	"From:" identifies the author of the message - the person
	responsible for the contents of the message.

	"Reply-To:" is the address for replies related to the contents
	of the message.  In the absence of "Reply-To:", the "From:"
	header should be used for this purpose.
From: dschend@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Daniell Schendzielos)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: USAFA address
Date: 19 Nov 1992 17:43:17 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

Hello,
	I have a brother at the United States Air Force Academy and we have
been trying to talk to each other through e-mail.  If anyone knows the address
for the Academy iaccount will work also since I have a vm account also.
Thanks in advance.

Danielle

-- 
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"Life is experience.  Death is experience.
What we do with that experience is the true meaning."
opinions are my own and no one elses
From: erisande@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kryst the Philosopher)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: What features would _you_ like in a mailer?
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:18:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.BxtpM2.3tE
Organization: Quitters Inc.

paul@tantrum.csir.co.za

>Any replies in any form whatsoever will be appreciated.

	An expiration date that REALLY expires.  Something that
actually disappears when the date has passed.
-- 
He waits to hear her say 'forgive',
but she just drops her pearl-black eyes
and prays to hear him say 'I love you',
but he tells no more lies.
From: 9114483@ul.ie
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Vax/VMS email query.
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:49:40 GMT
Organization: University of Limerick, Ireland

Just wondering, out of ignorance, is there any way to mail .exe files over
a VAX/VMS system?

Kathleen.

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Any Way To Send Mail To BIX?
Organization: Mail Group
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 01:10:36 GMT

Does anyone know if BIX has entered the 20th century yet by opening a
gateway to the Internet?

Thanks,
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:14:49 -0500 
From: Craig_Everhart@transarc.com
Subject: Re: Easy (?) mailing list questions

Here's my view on the mailing list problem.  It's self-consistent, but
there are other (inferior!) views.

(1) No problem; the envelope-to address (what you hand to sendmail on
the command line, but more specifically the address that in SMTP goes
over as the argument to RCPT TO:) doesn't have to have much of anything
to do with the header-to address.

(2) Change the envelope-from address to be what the notices of delivery
errors should be sent to.  (The envelope-from address is what is given
in SMTP on the MAIL FROM: line.)  Again, this address doesn't have to
have anything to do with what's in the From: line of the message header.
 This lets error bounces not be redistributed to the list.

Sendmail has support for both of these features, but I'm not a sendmail
expert, so I can't really tell you how it's done best.

		Craig
From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Mail-Server
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 12:16:55 EST
Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org
Distribution: world
Organization: Thibault & Friends

In article <58-PCNews-124beta@pos.apana.org.au> 
(Mark Purcell) writes: 

> There is one option which I have found and adopted, that is the
> Australian Public Access Network Association (APANA) which uses the MX
> *.apana.org.au.  This is a non profit organisation which is trying to
> support Public access in Australia.  APANA has set up a uucp network across

       It sounds like you folks need to stimulate the "for profit"
       network business that is turning NA into an on-line society.

       Many thousands of us pay about $100/year (the cost of two good
       technical reference books) for internet/uucp access via
       commercial hosts set up for that purpose. Most of these are in
       someone's basement or den.

       In Ottawa (pop. 400,000) there are at least two 'pure' uucp
       services and a number of BBS' that include internet mail and
       usenet news along with the dozen or so BBS networks. The small
       fee ensures that each of these services has hundreds of users;
       more than enough to pay for the equipment and lines.

> the country linking major cities via the one MX, with member sites paying for
> the long distance calls from their back pocket.  But AARNET aren't really happy
> with this, using one MX to service groups of machines which may be
> in other states, and want to hit APANA with $1000/state for usage.

        AARNET needs a few competitors who're not so greedy. I'd lobby
        your indigenous BBS community to take a shot at it.

        Cheers,

                Marc

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc
From: kbibb@maui.qualcomm.com (Ken Bibb)
Subject: Re: Mailing List (like for a music group...)
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 02:32:04 GMT

Try anon ftp to pit-manager.mit.edu and get the file:

pub/usenet/comp.mail.misc/Mail_Archive_Server_(MAS)_software_list

though it's technically for mail archives, it also mentions some packages
that do mail lists.  I run the ph7 (Peter Hammill/VdGG) and freaks (Marillion)
mailing lists (along with some private ones) via listserv which can be
retrieved from ftp.uu.net.
-- 
Ken                     	"You're right about the moon
jester@crash.cts.com    	 but wrong about the stars"--J. Browne
kbibb@qualcomm.com

Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc