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From: cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP)
Subject: Re: EMPLANT and Game Console emulation (was Re: EMPLANT)
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:24:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.040233.10469@afterlife.ncsc.mil> bkwilli@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Bryan Williams) writes:
>Hmmm. The NEO GEO idea seems silly. I suppose you want to pirate the games from 
>NEO-GEO on the Amiga-NEO GEO hypothetical machine???
> 
>--- ie, otherwise, you can shuck out the $200+ for games for that puppy. I don't
>see the cost benefit... most humans can't afford NeoGeo.
> 
> 
>I'm not accusing you of piracy, BTW, but otherwise, why emulate it?
> 
>I have heard that console machine piracy is going on in Europe. They must be 
>doing something funny. Can't be using EPROM copies, they'd cost more than the 
>originals.... that's a nice thing about ROMs-- mask ones cost $4 per cartridge 
>a couple megabytes, where EPROM would be $100 or more for a couple meg.

Not only in Europe, but also in US and Canada. It is as easy as pirate
game for Amiga. All you need is a game doctor to transfer the pirate
NeoGeo, SNES, SEGA etc. files to its rom and start your machine. That is
it!
From: kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: EMPLANT and Game Console emulation (was Re: EMPLANT)
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:00:13 GMT
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO
In-reply-to: Jdrew@cryo.rain.com's message of 17 Jul 92 08:38:07 GMT

>>>>> On 17 Jul 92 08:38:07 GMT, Jdrew@cryo.rain.com (Jim Drew) said:

Jim> Actually, I just obtained full memory maps and schematics to NEOGEO and
Jim> SNES machines.  Since there a rash of "console" copiers available, and the
Jim> Amiga being the wonderful machine that it is, it only makes sense to look
Jim> into the emulation of these machine with EMPLANT.

NEO-GEO emulation would RULE.  BUT: To do it right it would require
additional sound and graphics hardware. The NG has a 12bit graphics
display, a palette of 65536 colors, 15track audio, support for up to 380
hardware sprites, a cartridge slot, a NG controller port, etc, etc.
Also, the main CPU is an 8-bit Z80 although the gfx CPU is a 68K. You'd
probably end up putting a NEOGEO on the board. I've seen the NEOGEO
hardware advertised for ~$350 mail order. 

IMHO, it'd be much harder from a technical standpoint to get an Amiga to
emulate an NG than a MacII.

Emulating the SNES would be kind of stupid from a marketing standpoint
because Nintendo has announced they are dropping the *retail* price of
the box to $99.95 (they are having a price war with the $129 dollar Sega
Genesis).  The SNES also has better lo-res graphics than the amiga and
it'd be darn near impossible to emulate it for less than the thing costs
already (especially when you consider the bare emplant board is going to
cost, what, 3x that amount?)

In general, IMHO, game console emulation is a dumb idea. I'd rather see
SPARC board or something ;^)

This is not a flame, I just wanted to inject a little marketing reality
into the discussion. I really hope EMPLANT comes out soon and works as
advertised, because if it does, I'm buying one :^)

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From: simon@ivem.uucp (Simon Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: First to ask about Emplant?
Date: 22 Jul 1992 17:59:25 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
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In article <1992Jul22.022734.23879@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>In article <14ho4hINN3fe@network.ucsd.edu> simon@ivem.uucp (Simon Lee) writes:
>>UU hasn't been the most outgoing marketeers in the computer business.
>
>This is certainly debatable, as UU has placed an ad in Amazing Computing for
>the last several months. Perhaps not at all spectacular, but definitely
>there.

They have advertised, but certainly not to the extent of NewTek or GVP.

>>They've usually used small, B.W. ads in obscure parts of CBM magazines, so
>>not seeing anything about Emplant isn't too surprising.

>I tend to think that the stragegy they've taken is the most sensible. The
>first thing people do after a premature product announcement is proclaim
>the effort as vaporware. One area that you've neglected to mention is press
>releases, which are the most economical means of spreading the word without
>invoking a deluge of consumer inquiries. If you look at the recent British
>Amiga magazines (which have the highest circulation), you will find
>information on Emplant and its capabilities. GVP has also adopted this
>strategy for its A530 and EGS products.
>
>As always, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
>
>Mark

Their product has been announced on the net for a while now, and it has
had it's share of 'vaporware' calling, but my point was that they should
announce their product in a more general forum than Usenet, perhaps
Amigaworld, especially since he has made many claims of it's finalness.

-Simon

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From: karkan@msdrl.com (Jim Karkanias)
Subject: EMPLANT
Organization: Merck Research Laboratories
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 13:08:13 GMT

Has anyone seen this in operation yet?
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From: skank@iastate.edu (George L Skank)
Subject: Re: OS/2
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 10:49:42 GMT

In article <Jarrett_Volzer.04v8@neonate.amiga.atl.ga.us> Jarrett_Volzer@neonate.amiga.atl.ga.us (Jarrett Volzer) writes:
>In a message dated Mon 19 Jul 92  1:16, S_fuller@iastate.edu (steve Fuller)
>wrote:
>
>
> SF> We are running OS/2 2.0 on a PS/2 56sx here at my place of
> SF> employment. The machine has 4 megs of ram in it and boy it is DOG
> SF> slow. I think that Windows 3.1 on a 12 MHz 286...
>
>You will find that it takes about 8 megs for 2.0 to be of much use at all. 
>I use 1.3 with 6 megs, and that is plenty, but 2.0 is quite a memory hog. 
>8 is about the acceptable minimum.
> 
>Jarrett_Volzer@neonate.amgia.atl.ga.us

     You've *GOT* to be kidding!  I almost always run my Amiga with with
three or four applications running and I've only run out of memory *ONCE*!
I'm running a 2.04 equipped A3000 with 6Megs of memory and the OS copied
into RAM.  And don't try and tell me that I must not be a *power user*
either.  2.0 does use more memory than 1.3, no big surprises there, but
I would not call it a memory hog.  I thought it ran just fine in 4Megs.

						--George

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From: cpw8034@zeus.tamu.edu (ALAN CHIPIN WEN (409)693-2924)
Subject: First to ask about Emplant?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 18:46:00 GMT

Okay, I know that this mother of all mothers is suppose to be out sometime
soon.  When it IS shipping, where is it going from?  More specifically, I
haven't seen any advertisement for this product from AmigaWorld or any other
reputable magazine.  Since today's the 21st, (technically 3rd week of July),
WHERE'S EMPLANT?  Why haven't anyone else other than Utilities Unlimited
said anything about it?  Hmmm...

alan

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From: vailm00@DMI.USherb.CA (MARC VAILLANCOURT)
Subject: Re: First to ask about Emplant?
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- departement de Mathematiques et d'Informatique
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:40:56 GMT

-> There was a posting in two other .amiga newsgroups by someone 
-> looking to hire an Amiga programmer for some unspecified tasks. 
-> Jim Drew, president of UU, replied in public to this post saying 
-> he'd like the job. If I were working day and night to get a 
-> product with the potential market of EMPLANT out the door, I 
-> wouldn't be looking for new projects.
 
   Well, I sent a message to Jim asking him what was the point in offering
his services to another company just before the "release" of EMPLANT, here's
what he replied to me:

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Well, because I am done with EMPLANT....we are waiting on FCC approval,
and I have nothing to do.  :-)                                         
                                                                       
Jim Drew - Vice President, Utilities Unlimited, Inc.
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   So let's hope it's true...

	Marc
From: ree88132@zach.fit.edu (Keith Ledig)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: emplant questions
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:28:21 GMT
Organization: Florida Institute of Technology, Melbourne USA

I am curious as to exactly how emplant will emulate a IBM/DOS
machine and a MAC.  How much of it will be hardware and how much
is software?  Of course the more software it is, the slower it
will.  Advantages to software is that it can be updated and improved
at little to no cost to the consumer.  What exactly will be hardware
emulated, localtalk port, SCSI port, and what will be emulated on
the amiga side, SCSI, Parallel, serial, etc?

I am just wondering if the board will be there to house the roms
so as to avoid copyright infringement.  Jim, do you have any benchmarks
as to how fast the MACII (or II CI) will be on a stock 3000?
Since AMAX runs faster (But in black/white) will your color emulation
be reasonably fast?  Can I use my screen modes (overscan, productivity
interlaced) available on my machine?

I heard rumor that you will be releasing instructions with your
emplant on how to modify an IBM high density to run on your emplant.
Will the high density format be useable from the Amiga side?  Is this
hardware hack like what chinnon did for commodore with their FB357A?
Could you release those instructions so we can build the drives in
anticipation of receiving one of your emplant boards?

And the big question, will emplant give me the capability of using
a color mac emulation that will actually print without screwing up?
(which is something AMAX could never do)  I am about ready to pitch
my AMAX cart. out the window, but want to have emplant in my other
hand (ready to install) when I do it!
Disclaimer: I made this public so others could respond too.  I have
read most of what was posted allready but am looking for technical
details of Emplant's capabilities.  I got the flyer in the mail from
Utilities Unlimited and read it.  Just made me hungry for more info.
:-)

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From: rpfaff@umiacs.umd.edu (Ray Pfaff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: First to ask about Emplant?
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:11:21 GMT
Organization: UMIACS, University of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742


I think that Mr. Drew should provide a prototype to one of the Amiga mags
(he himself stated that he'd give one to a third party for review).  I 
won't bash, but I think the product is just so much vaporware until I
see it released or see something like that happen.
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From: harley@tt.com (Scott Drysdale)
Subject: Re: Janus Software
Organization: Telecommunications Techniques Corporation, Germantown MD
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:38:23 GMT

In article <qcgmgvl.fuzzy@netcom.com> fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
>I am also interested in the latest version of the Janus software for my
>A2086 BB.  When I bought my A2000 (used) it came with 1.2 ROM and 1.3
>Janus software.  After I upgraded to OS 2.04, the Janus software
>wouldn't work quite right.

janus 2.1 exists - it is what ships with 2386SX bridgeboards.  it is 2.04
compatible, and even better, doesn't crash.  don't know when they're going
to provide janus 2.1 as a software upgrade for existing bridgeboards, but
they will.  the software has been done for something like 8/9 months, so
i don't know what's holding them up (manuals?  packaging?)

>#ifdef TRUE         | Fuzzy Fox                  fuzzy@netcom.com
>#define  TRUE   0   | a.k.a. David DeSimone      an207@cleveland.freenet.edu

  --Scotty
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From: levi@galoob.cs.utk.edu (David Levi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: First to ask about Emplant?
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:30:14 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
Distribution: world
Reply-To: levi@galoob.cs.utk.edu (David Levi)
NNTP-Posting-Host: galoob.cs.utk.edu

If everybody is so desparate to know if Emplant is finished, why not contact
the FCC and ask if it really is being tested for their approval.  I'd imagine
it's not any secret that they couldn't tell you.  I don't know how to
contact them though........
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From: u2112539@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Help with amax & ROMS on Disk
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:41:17 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

	Hi netland, I have a problem I can't see a way out. (well this is the
last hope)
	First the story, I bought Amax II a short time ago here in Australia
and was planing to get it working on my A3000. Then I (my friend actualy)
started looking for roms. We have worked out that it is nearly impossible to
get the ROMS for the mac. While ringing around for them he found out that each
rom cost in the area of $400 !!!! That is with the trade in of the unworking
ones. In our Uni the method they use to repair macs is to buy old used old ones
and to get parts from them. Apple realised that Two things can go wrong on the
board .. the 68000 and the roms. The 68000 it sells for $30 and the roms at
$400 a piece. You can get an intel 486 chip for $300. I understand demanding to
swap old parts but that kind of price !!! As I can see it, it is infringement
of copywrite to sell someones idea in the same market. Well given Apple does
not allow to sell it's product in the market I can't see why I shouldn't use
ROMs on disk. I don't mind buying a product as long as they allow me. My only
problem now is to get the drive recognised, I hear that I can insert blank
eproms in. Would anybody know what kind ? Given I have the ROMS on disk and all
is working fine I need the type of EPROM that will complete the circuit.
	Thanks in advanced.
		George
From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Subject: Re: OS/2
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga Yarn 2.0, 1992/06/25 01:41:36
Keywords: 
Summary: 
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:43:33 PST
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica

In <1992Jul22.150908.775@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, mjp3783@ritvax.isc.rit.edu wrote:
> Ram is $30/meg ($60 for GVP 32 bit!). Hard drive caching is (in my opinion) not
> as useful as it used to be when ram was >> in price. 

So how do I add 32-bit wide RAM at $30/meg to my 18 Meg A3000? I know -
demand paging isn't as fast as 32-bit wide ram; but it isn't as slow as
Zorro II ram, either.

Or maybe I'm not supposed to run this spiffy, modern software design
tools that choke if you give them less than 6 meg or so to play in
that run quite happily on NeXT boxes that support demand paging.

> If you decide to (C=), MAKE IT AN OPTION! I really don't want to have to use it
> because I don't need it (or the slow down).

If you don't need it, you should never know it's there (assuming that
it's done with the usual skill shown for AmigaDOS). If you do need it,
you may never know it. If you know you need it and it's not there,
it's a pain.

	<mike
From: sbiddle@aviate.welly.gen.nz (Steve Biddle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: First to ask about Emplant?
	<24JUL199211334733@venus.tamu.edu>
X-Newsreader: Ann 0.9
Date: 27 Jul 92 15:55:48 +1200
Organization: Steves Amiga - Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <24JUL199211334733@venus.tamu.edu>,
	cpw8034@venus.tamu.edu (ALAN CHIPIN WEN (409)693-2924) writes:
>Oh  give me a break with the whining.	 In previous posts, it has been clear
>that Mr. Drew is "bored" since he has finished the product and is now just
>waiting for FCC approval.  All that garbage you mentioned about doing this
>and doing that on redesign and so forth taking time is true, BUT... if
>he had a gram of forsight he wouldn't rant and rave about a product dead
>line if he knows what is to be expected.  eg.	if you expect emplant to be
>due at the end of july, say publicly that it'll be finished by the end of
>August.  Otherwise, consumers will expect it by the end of July.
>
>You obviously don't know anything about being "realistic".  Don't you
>remember all the past flames on shutting up until the deadline that Mr.
>Drew himself has set?	Well, check your calender buddy.
>
>Moral of the story?  The best planned projects can and do run into problems,
>but developers should expect such setbacks and not let consumers down with
>unrealistic due dates.

Brings back memories of Amax II+, and of course the Toaster..

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From: miller@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Geoffrey M. Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Major bugs in A-Max 2.51 & MegaMidgetRacer/Syquest
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:50:52 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

If you are considering purchasing A-Max 2.51 and plan on using a Mega
Midget Racer or Syquest drive with it, think again.  After confirming
this with ReadySoft, I have found that the A-Max 2.51 code has a problem
recognizing CSA's Mega Midget Racer... it comes up with a red screen and
then crashes the machine.  ReadySoft said they are working on a fix for
this problem which should be available in a few weeks (we'll see :) 

If you are using a Syquest drive with A-Max 2.5 or 2.51, I would like to
hear if you have any luck with ANY controller.  I have a TrumpCard 500, 
and whenever the SyQuest drive spins up to full speed under A-Max, the
drive locks up.  Trying to boot System 7.0.1 is impossible... the "Happy
Mac" icon never even comes up.  The emulator starts, the blue screen 
comes up, and then everything locks up....

A nightmare to say the least... If anyone has ANY types of suggestions,
I would appreciate them.  I have called ReadySoft, IVS and CSA without
any concrete solutions.  My favorite reply was from the tech guy at IVS:
"For some reason that nobody really knows, the Syquest has been locking
up with a lot of different HD controllers: GVP, ICD, ours, etc.. and
nothing can be done about it!" :)

At the mercy of A-Max :)
Geoff "waiting for Emplant" Miller
From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Re: OS/2
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:31:29 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

skank@iastate.edu (George L Skank) writes:

>> SF> We are running OS/2 2.0 on a PS/2 56sx here at my place of
>> SF> employment. The machine has 4 megs of ram in it and boy it is DOG
>> SF> slow. I think that Windows 3.1 on a 12 MHz 286...
>>
>>You will find that it takes about 8 megs for 2.0 to be of much use at all. 
>>I use 1.3 with 6 megs, and that is plenty, but 2.0 is quite a memory hog. 
>>8 is about the acceptable minimum.
>> 
>>Jarrett_Volzer@neonate.amgia.atl.ga.us

>     You've *GOT* to be kidding!  I almost always run my Amiga with with
>three or four applications running and I've only run out of memory *ONCE*!
>I'm running a 2.04 equipped A3000 with 6Megs of memory and the OS copied
>into RAM.  And don't try and tell me that I must not be a *power user*
>either.  2.0 does use more memory than 1.3, no big surprises there, but
>I would not call it a memory hog.  I thought it ran just fine in 4Megs.

wait... didnt mean to flame... but... are we talking about the same
OS/2 here?  

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin


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From: cs902125@ariel.yorku.ca (SHUK C YIP)
Subject: Re: First to ask about Emplant?
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:57:13 GMT

In article <14q07vINNo9f@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> smythe@cats.ucsc.edu (Brian Matthew Aljian) writes:
>
>Just curious... how long does an FCC approval usually take?  Anybody have any
>experience in this domain?
>

2-3 months
From: dvaz@dvtown.UUCP (David Vazquez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.emulations
Subject: Bug in Janus 2.1 pcwindow.
Distribution: world
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:22:27 CST
Organization: Not an Organization

Janus' 2.1 pcwindow seems to have a problem when switching from a lowres
screen back to a hires screen.	When the switch is performed, you get a
borderless window on a hires screen that is still 320 pixels wide.  An
Amiga-F (Fullsize window) is required.  Are there any fixes for this?

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