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From: raman@cs.utexas.edu (Raman Rajagopalan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: parallels - TN reservation and Sri Lankan Situation
Date: 8 Sep 1992 10:52:57 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
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In article <kat.715961456@reg> kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi) writes:
> nam ramanukku solvathu ondRE ondRu:
>  He was equating the status of brahmins in TN and tamils in SL.
>
>     The difference between Srilanka and Tamil Nadu is:
>
>1.  A Brahmin J is ruling Tamil Nadu while the SL Tamils have no
> equal rights.

A brahmin J makes no difference to the existing laws and policies.
Did you actually read my earlier posting?

>
>
>2. Yes, somebody cut the poonools of Brahmin's but JJ kills
> 100's of tamils in maakam.
> Cutting poonool is not condoned, but there is nothing equal
>to killing people.`
>

This is news to me.  Please send details via email.

>
>     Raman threatens and appeals for arms for Brahmins.

> He (brahmin) will say "poonool"
> He will bug you for money
> He isa  greedy chap
> He will sweat in front of the white man.
>
>Kathiravan
>


With this you have convinced me that you are either a total
moron, or that you are a fanatic who will only believe things
that confirm your own opinion.  You have also demonstrated
that you are indeed willing to simply incite, in any manner,
when you cannot respond to a point with REASON.

For the third time -- let this sink in this time - almost
the entire contents of my post was SARCASM!!!  SARCASM, by
definition, is not to be taken literally!  No, I do not
wish to see you physically harmed - I just wish that you
would shut up where the net is concerned.

I even wrote a public response to explain the post was "SARCASM".
Please take time to look up the big words in the dictionary before 
making a public fool of yourself.

thanks,

raman

Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu (Affable)
Subject: Re: A Ghost Poem .....
Reply-To: Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu>
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:10:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.205810.631@samba.oit.unc.edu>  
Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:
> [Article deleted]
> 
> I echo John's sentiments. The remark comes across as callous, IMO,
> though my opinion is that it more reflective of the frustration
> with the culture of violence. The poem paints quite a real picture
> of what is happening not only in SL but elsewhere as well. I guess,
> what we are seeing here is similar, with words serving as weapons.
> 
  You mean to say the articles created by a suffering person
  and depicting the real situation are not to be criticized or commented?
  Accept as whatever it says? Interesting. 
  
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From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Non sequitur (was: thugLak aLikkum "puratchi sashti kavacham")
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:32:24 GMT

[Maybe, but probably not, I could have avoided this argument by changing
the title as I have done with this post]

In article <9908981.A090@netman.nms> rk@nms.hls.com (S Ramakrishnan) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.175805.26933@samba.oit.unc.edu> Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy) writes:
>  >In article <1992Sep6.165320.3830@newstand.syr.edu> meena@top.cis.syr.edu (Meenakshi Arunachalam) writes:
>   >>I still cannot believe that "Thuglak" used "Kanthar sashti kavasam"
>   >>to write a mock article. Is it just me or is there anyone else 
>   >>who was offended by this? Only in India, can you get away with
>
> >You've got to be kidding. This is in keeping with all the other
> >hyperbole in Tamil. I was reminded of the Indian calling in to
> >a radio talk show in Washington, DC commenting: " ... being from
> >India, I am used to a women ruling a country of 100's of millions .."
>
>Talk of tangential take-off (now what's that ?). One writes an article expressing
>displeasure at people mocking her religious practices. This Enlightened One
>follows up with comments on two extraneous words from her posting. 

Firstly, I apologize if I caused S Ramakrishnan from his lofty 
perspective to give up his much cherished title. 

>Even if one were to delete the words "Only in India..." the the theme of the 
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I would not have followed up. I hope this much is clear. (Though,
I doubt it.)

>original post would still stand. That is, she found the parody offending. So 
>did probably many others. What do you have to say to that ?

One (the now completely unenlightened) can make a reasonable guess.

Talk about offending people - isn't that what a satirist does? Or, is
it agreed in Thuglak's case that it must be x and not y?
(presumably among the powerful clique which constitutes the readership
of the magazine - and, is the editor privy to this?)

[non sequiturs deleted, except]

>S Ramakrishnan, Hughes LAN Systems Inc., Mountain View, Ca

Sthan.

PS: More abrupt non sequiturs

To Venkat: I don't believe that your criticism was uncalled for. I
was expressing an opinion on your opinion.

To Sundaramoorthy: I don't believe that everybody has to weigh in
evenly with an opinion on every issue discussed on this forum.

To Meena..: You have every right to express yourself - just as I
have (including taking off in some other direction.)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: kumar@infonode.ingr.com (Mahesh Kumar)
Subject: Quotas on s.c.t postings ??
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:18:24 GMT


Yo RT, Balaji, raman et. al.

You folks are far exceeding your 4% quota of postings :-):-)-:):-).

Mahesh 

Std. Disclaimer applies.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,alt.culture.karnataka,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: balarama@cae.wisc.edu (Prabhu Balaraman)
Subject: SCI Cultural Volume: Call for contributions
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 5 Sep 92 12:27:27 CDT

                                Yes, we mean it!!

                 CULTURAL VOLUME -3: CALL FOR CONTRIBUTIONS !!!

     Hello All!

       We are a bunch of net.culture.enthusiasts who would like to
       keep alive a fine tradition initiated by Dr C.P.Ravikumar,
       that of collating and editing a "SCI Cultural Volume". Dr C.P.R
       coaxed and cajoled our very own net.writers, both closet
       and confirmed, into contributing some very good literary
       and cultural articles for the first two Cultural Volumes,
       and we humbly attempt to do the same for "Cul Vol 3". So,
       friends, heed this call, let your creative talents loose,
       and help show the world what we've got!

     Looking forward to hearing from you. Please send e-mail

     Prabhu Balaraman (balarama@cae.wisc.edu)
     Ajay Divakaran   (divaka@rpi.edu)
     Plus an anonymous net.culture.enthusiast!
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Xref: sparky soc.culture.tamil:2112 soc.culture.indian:30866
From: irshad@moby.micro.umn.edu (Irshad A. Mohammad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Telugu and Tamil
Keywords: Telugu and Tamil
Date: 10 Sep 92 23:12:17 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS

In article <BuCJrC.JxG@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> selvakum@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (C.R.Selvakumar - Electrical Engineering) writes:

>          phonemes, it could have sounded bland to Telugus. It might have
>          sounded "too gentle" or "too bland". 

No way!!  :-)

Irshad.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Subject: Re: parallels - TN reservation and Sri Lankan Situation
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 04:35:09 GMT

In article <lao9mnINNnjg@bathtub.cs.utexas.edu> raman@cs.utexas.edu (Raman Rajagopalan) writes:
>In article <MOHAN.92Sep7105138@tnds09.newshost> mohan@tnds09.newshost (Lavanya-Mohan) writes:
>>In article <lakp2kINNmrl@bathtub.cs.utexas.edu> raman@cs.utexas.edu (Raman Rajagopalan) writes:
>
>A clarification of my intent in my original posting is required.
>I wish no ill-will upon Sri Lankans.  I agree that as a group, they
>have suffered.  I am submitting this post since the original has
>attacted a response from a new name, Mr. Mohan.
>
>My post was directed at three individuals, Mr. Vishnu, Kathiravan,
>and Pandian, who have been engaging in sending anti-brahmin, anti-vedic
     ^^^^^^^
>culture postings, and who happen to support both the caste based
                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>reservations in Tamil Nadu and the LTTE struggle for an independent
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Tamil homeland in Sri Lanka.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     I have not posted any article supporting the caste based
 reservations in Tamil nadu or the LTTE struggle for `Tamil
 Eelam' in any newsgroup. Your efforts to categorize me with
 Meenan Vishnu and Kathiravan Krishnamurthy in their political
 views is strongly criticized.
>
>
>- raman rajagopalan

                                                      - S.Pandian
                                                 sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
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From: kumar@syd.dit.CSIRO.AU (V.R.Kumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: SV Sekhar jokes
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:50:08 GMT
Organization: CSIRO Division of Info Tech, Sydney, Australia



S.V.Sekhar to his wife : Usha, innikku nee romba azhagha irukkae.

Usha : Poi thaanae sollureenga ?

S.V.Sekhar : Eppadi kandu pidichchae ?

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S.V.Sekhar to his cousin : Endaa ippadi panaththai kuthirainga maelae
                           katti tholaikkirae ?

Cousin : Athu ennudaiya thozhil.

SVS : Aaamaa, pona vaaram enkittae irunthu 100 roopai vaangittu poniyae,
      kuthirai maelae thaanae kattinae ? Enna aachchu ?

Cousin : Athu romba sogampaa, sogamaana nigalchi onnu nadanthiruchchu.

SVS : Enna aachchu ? Unn kuthirai enna nadanthu vanthuchchaa ?

Cousin : Athu illappaa, enn kuthirai oru leggulae poyidichchu.

SVS : Ithap paaru. Race paththi enakku theriyaamae irukkalaam. Aanaa 
      kuthiraingalaip paththi theriyaathunnu ninaikkaathae. 
      Kuthiraikku moththam naalu kaal. Oru leggulae pochchunnu  
      solluriyae. Meethi moonu leggae madakki vachchukittaa oduchchu ?
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Anbudan,

V R Kumar

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From: sp2@cec1.wustl.edu (Sundara Pandian)
Subject: Contents of the Black Yajur Veda - Intro
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:27:00 GMT

       Contents of the Black Yajur Veda - Intro 
      -------------------------------------------
    It is my opinion that an unbiased study of vedic literature
 enables us to understand the ancient Indo-Aryan civilization.
 However, the vedas are not portrayed as what they are. Vedic 
 culture is idealised and presented  as the most advanced one.
 Its achievements are exaggerated, its flaws are discarded as `few
 black dots in a pure white paper', and those who criticize the
 shortcomings in the vedas are mocked at as people having `myopic
 vision'.
   Prem Nath Bazaz writes on the Yajur Veda as ` The Yajur Veda
 has two parts - White Yajur Veda and Black Yajur Veda, the
 former is considered clear and well-arranged because it draws
 distinction between sacrificial utterances and explanations of
 rituals, but the latter is unarranged and haphazard. The spells
 of the Yajur Veda called formulas are a meaningless conglomeration
 of ideas. As a matter of fact, they were not composed to make any
 sense, being conceived as spells and calculated to force the gods
 to fulfill the wishes of the sacrificer. '
   The contents of the Black Yajur Veda ( Taittiriya Samhitha ) are
 provided in the articles which follow. 
                                                             
                                                        - S.Pandian
                                                 sp2@cec1.WUSTL.edu
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From: v1s@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: LYRICS NEEDED URGENTLY
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:11:05 EDT
Followup-To: rec.music.indian.misc
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

In article <79048@ut-emx.uucp>, sumeet@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sumeet) writes:

> Hi, net gurus. This request is directed specifically towards the Tamil 

blah blah..

here are the lyrix as I know them. Corrections welcome ;)
 
> 1. Ilaya Nila 

iLaya nilaa pozhigirathE / ithayam varai nanaigirathE / ulaappOgum mEgam /
kanaakkaaNumE / vizhaakkaaNumE / vaanamE // (bis)

varum vazhiyil panimazhayil/ paruva nilaa thinam nanaiyum / mugileduththu
mugamthudaiththu vidiyum varai nadai pazhagum / (bis) / neela vaanilE / veLLi
OdaigaL / OduginrathE yenna jaadaigaL / vizhivazhiyil vithaithadu yaar /
navamaNigaL //

mugilinangaL alaigirathE mugavarigaL tholainthanavO / mugavaraigaL
thavariyathaal azhuthidumO athu mazhaiyO / (bis) / vaana veethiyil / mEga
oorvalam / kaaNum pOthilE / aaruthal tharum / paruvamagaL vizhigaLile /
kanavuvarum //

> 2. Mandram vanda

manram vantha theralukku manjam vara nenjamillayO / anbE yen anbE / thottavudan
suttathenna kattazhagu vattamidavO / kaNNE yen kaNNE / boopaaLamE koodathennum
/ vaanam uNdO soll // (bis)

thaamarai mElE neerthuLi pOl thalaiavnum thalaiviyum vaazhvathenna / naNbargaL
pOle vaazhvatharkku / maalaiyum mELamum thEvaiyenna / sonthangaLE illaamal /
bandha paasam koLLaamal / poovE un vaazhkkai thaan yenna soll //

mEdaiayai pOle vaazhkaiyalla / naadagam aanathum vilagichchella / OdaiyaippOlE
uravum alla / paathaigaL maariyE payaNam sella / viNNOdu thaan ulaavum / veLLi
vaNNa nilaavum / yennodu nee vanthaal yenna vaa //

                                                 
> 3. Nilave vaa

nilaavE vaa / sellaathE vaa / yennaaLum un / ponvaanam naan / yenai nee thaan
printhaalum / ninaivaaLe azhaippEn // (bis)

kaavEriyaa kaanal neera peNmai / yenna uNmai / muLvEliyaa mullai poova / sollu
konjam nillu / ammaadeeyO nee thaan / innum siru piLLai / thaangaathammaa
nenjam / neeyum sonna sollai / poonthEnE nee thaanE sollil vaithaai muLLay //

poonjOlaiyil vaadai kaatru paada/ santham paada / koodathenru koorum pookkaL
yEthu/ maNNin meethu / orE oru vaarthai / sonnaal yenna thEnE/ orE oru paarvai
/ thanthaal yenna maanE / aagaayam aagaatha mEgam yEthu kaNNE //

> 4. Sundari Neeyum   : DUET !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sunnari neeyum / sunnaran nyaanyum / chErnnirunnaal thiruvONam /
kayyil kayyum vechu / kaNNil kaNNum vechu / nenjil manram kondu chErunna
nEram // (bis)

onnOdE sunnara roopam varNikka Or kavi vENum / 
mOhana raagam ninthEgam keerthanammakki nyaan paadum/
punjirippaal yen uLLam kavarnnu /
kaNNaana kaNNE yen sonnam allO nee..//

chappara manjathil aada soppana lOgathil kooda /
prEmathin geethangaL paada ( idunno this phrase ) /
sayana nEram manmatha yaagam /
pulari varaiyil nammOdE yOgam vaa //

***

gee I hope Sumeet has a better.. ahem! "diction" shall we say, than :

> Paat paad va paat kekya va....

cheers,

Sundar el gato loco :)
From: raman@cs.utexas.edu (Raman Rajagopalan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: parallels - TN reservation and Sri Lankan Situation
Date: 6 Sep 1992 15:04:36 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: bathtub.cs.utexas.edu

In a recent reponse to a posting my Mr. Kathiravan, the following
parallel between the TN reservation scheme and the situation
which led to the civil war in Sri Lanka occurred to me.
This may interest others, since the reservation issue attracted
many postings.

For the parallels to make sense, one must note that many of the
articles supporting the reservation policy in TN are being
posted by Sri Lankan Tamils.  

-----------------------------------------------

Kathiravan wrote:

>How did reservation turn up suddenly? Incongruous.

More sarcasm.

>> My God, what manner of person is being uplifted by these quotas?

- much of my original sarcasm deleted.

>> We have to stop this before it is too late... What, the BC/SC/STs
>> comprise more than 75% of the entering classes in college now???
>> No!! We won't stand seeing our culture destroyed by the majority.
>> Time to buys AK-47s and form a liberation army!
>

Kathiravan contiues:

>   I am clear that you come from the same terrorist
>family of "godse". I see that in the following lines.
>All the time, I had only suspision. Now it is clear.
>Allready in the (45 years of freedom you have ruled
>more than 40 years. killed 10000's in your political
>"yagas" (tamizhs, muslims, sikhs and every minority
>who has self respect)

My response (and the parallel):

HELLO!  Don't you recognize the sarcasm here????  

Think Sri Lanka.  The Tamils were in good shape.  They were better
educated and held better jobs.  The MAJORITY sinhalese looked at
this and said to themselves, why are we letting the minority have
a better standard of living?  They did not care about the fact
the tamils worked hard to achieve what they did.

The sinhalese imposed laws to take opportunity away from the Tamils.
The tamils objected, to the point of demanding a separate homeland.
They formed a liberation army (several at one point), and have
been fighting a civil war for years.

WHAT, may I ask, if the difference in the sinhalese treatment
of sri lankan tamils and the current treatment of the Tamil
Nadu upper castes?  We upper caste worked hard to achieve what
we did.  No one has forcably kept other tamils from studying for
years and years.  Why are you advocating a form of treatment for
upper caste tamilians when you *violently* are opposed the same
treatment from the hands of the sinhalese?


- raman rajagopalan




Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: Veeramany.Sthanumurthy@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Veeramany Sthanumurthy)
Subject: Re: Non sequitur (was: thugLak aLikkum "puratchi sashti kavacham")
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:23:02 GMT

[possibly general interest; so I am posting this]

In article <1992Sep10.185653.20367@menudo.uh.edu> Venkatachalam Aruna <aruna@tree.egr.uh.edu> writes:
>Another non sequitur from my side:
> All the threads you discussed were distributed to world and your posting
>was only distributed to na only. Why so?
>
>Venkat

As a rule, I don't edit a number of fields in any posting -
Expires, Distribution, Followup-To, References etc. So these
are carried forward from the article I am following up to. So,
no, all the articles in the threads were not distributed to
world. Specifically, the article by S Ramakrishnan had two
additional restrictions: Followup-to: alt.culture.tamil and
Distribution: na. I noticed one and changed the Newsgroups line.
I forgot to change the Distribution line.

What insidious intent (if any) did you suspect?

Sthan.

PS. How does an alt group become defunct? (like alt.culture.tamil)

PPS. There is now an alt.non.sequitur, so followups are directed
there. :)
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From: ratan@ring1.rutgers.edu (Santosh Ratan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Tamil, Sanskrit and North Indian languages
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:21:08 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.



Hindi word for "threshing field" is "Khalihan"


In hindi or other bihari languages I hae never heard of a word
sounding similar to "chaati" or "chaar(d)" for "earthen pot"

There is a word "Charooa" in 'Magadhi' for a kind of earthen pitcher.
(Magadhi is a bihari language)

Santosh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.tamil
From: mohan@tnds05.tele.nokia.fi (Lavanya-Mohan)
Subject: Re: a worthy article to read
Organization: /user1/u1/mohan/.organization
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 12:33:18 GMT

In article <95836@bu.edu> hari@bass.bu.edu (hariharane ramasamy) writes:

	   The following text is one of the shortest and best speech
	   of Abraham Lincoln. I reproduce with all respect as it 
	   might throw some light on today's problems.

	   December 6, 1864

	   On thursday of last week two ladies from Tennesse came
	   before the President asking the release of their husbands 
	   held as prisoners of war at Johnson's Island. They were put
	   off till friday, and were again put off to saturday. At 
	   each of the interviews one of the ladies urged that her
	   husband was a religious man. On saturday the President ordered
	   the release of the prisonersand then said to this lady
	   "You say your husband is a religious man; tell him when
	   you meet him, that I say I am not much of a judge of
	   religion, but that in my opinion, the religion that sets
	   men to rebel and fight against their government, because
                                                            ^^^^^^^
	   as they think, that government does not sufficiently help
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	   some men to eat their bread on the sweat of other men's faces,
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	   is not the sort of religion upon which people can get to heaven!"


	   In my opinion a President is yet to come who cared so much
	   for a country for his speeches not aroused the mighty sound
	   of clapping hands when delivered rather a deep thinking 
	   emotional silence among the crowd. I agree totally with
	   the President that people who fight against the country
	   based on religious or any matters are not the persons
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	   who deserve a homeland.



President Lincoln gave a reason (that the government does not help some
on the sweat of others) for which one must not rebel. But, you say that
people shouldn't rebel for *any matter* at all! I don't see any sensible
connection here.

I would appreciate if you try to understand the sayings of great people,
before you quote them.

// Mohan

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