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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:47:04 EST
From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      RE: Majority and "norm"

>Right.  I was using idiomatic English, which is in this case not as
>clear as French would be.  If a majority will use a word a certain
>way it will become the norm.
>   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

This is *not* getting any clearer.  Either you mean

     1) Norm=what majority uses; or
     2) What majority uses will become the norm, which is to say
        that norm =/= what the majority uses.

With language, I think Norms--or Als or Freds--are only
determined by supermajorities--like, it takes two-thirds of the
House and Senate to say that bad =/= good.

-Mka
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      re: wordsler birthdays
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> >Jill, this is too weird!  You share a birthday with your Uncle Joe...my
> >husband and Susan's father!  Bet I won't forget it! :-)
> >ndh (whose birthday is January 27, one day after judith's)
>
> You know, I think Uncle Joe is one of my favorite relatives, or
> at least tied.  If he was born on March 7th, he must be terrific!
> I'm beginning to think I may have to see how I can get a business
> trip to Texas...let's see, you are there, right? and so is Auntie
> Doris, and Cousin Susan, and bwp, hmmmmm....I'm going to have to
> take a look at the conference list, and see if there are any
> library/online industry ones in Texas next year.
> Jill
Great...we'll look forward to seeing you. :-)
ndh
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
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>>Marilyn
>
>Really, does everyone think so?

No.  I too would remember the correct construction until entropy
took over.

-Mka
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 06:10:39 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Anglicizing
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> >Huh?  I asked a simple question and got hopelessly lost in the answer.
> >I repeat the simple question:  Who says that it's wrong to anglicize
> >pronunciations?
> How can I answer this question sensibly? Some people. I thought they were
> a common enough species.

This answer makes more sense than the earlier one.  :-)
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:10:58 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Family Tree
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Ah, the tree is looking much better now!
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 05:50:36 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: EMAIL TO MY SCREEN--VILANELLE
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> I am sorry I shouted earlier, OK? Thank you very much, Natalie, but the
> intent of the "poem" was different.

When did you shout?  I didn't hear it.  And the intent of the "poem" was
different from what?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: N567126@NCSUADM.ACS.NCSU.EDU (Gilbert Smith)
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> The vestigial third one.
>
> doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)

Now I'm embarrassed.  I knew I shouldn't ask.
When I was four, I asked my <real> mother how they could tell
boy babies from girl babies when they were born, did the girls
have long hair?  She answered, without missing a beat, that
"parts of their bodies are different..."   I didn't know until
now that she was talking about their <knees>.
Thanks, sis.
--ggs
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:57:49 EDT
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Subject:      Re: Bertie Wooster 2
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Posted on 8 Sep 1992 at 07:00:05 by torkel@SICS.SE
>  The answer to the riddle is that it is not possible, and similarly
>with Asimov's reflection.

You haven't convinced me but your argumentation is interesting.

>  By the way, has anybody here read a rather curious and interesting
>book called "William, or More Loved than Loving"?

Er, no.  Why?

Karen
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:27:54 EDT
From:         PBARFOOT%SUVM.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu
Subject:      (in)continental cuisine ?

 I've been too busy to wade through the accumulated verbage, so I
don't know if this has been mentioned yet - but today is the day
that Col Sanders would have been 102. Lick a finger in commemoration
of the event.
                                                Br Paul
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: wordsler birthdays
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> Another very important missing one is mine:   March 7
>
> Cards cheerfully accepted!
>
> Jill
>    (wertsj%dialog@mcimail.com)

Jill, this is too weird!  You share a birthday with your Uncle Joe...my
husband and Susan's father!  Bet I won't forget it! :-)
ndh (whose birthday is January 27, one day after judith's)
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Date:         Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:14:08 +0200
From:         torkel@SICS.SE
Subject:      Re: Gleanings (58
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              07 Sep 92 10:07:23 -0400. <9209071411.AA05869@sics.se>

  We are analyzing Bertie Wooster:

  >Hmmm...I'd've said he was, too.  He's so dependent on Jeeves!
  >Karen

  Well, so is Jeeves dependent on Bertie! By the way, although Jeeves can
also butler away with the best of them, he is, in Bertie's employ, not a
butler, but a gentleman's personal gentleman.
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:39:50 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz

>re the sheep effect:  find it outrageous that your
>teacher, Dutch or otherwise, would let a whole class repeate
>an error just to prove a point. Those kids go away remembering the
>error not the correction, even if they remember the story.
>Marilyn

Really, does everyone think so?
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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 06:21:35 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Tongues, Jasmine, and Football (was Re: T
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> >>Sorry, I wasn't thinking. Interestingly, this particular sh is supposed to
> >>be a retroflex sh, though very few people pronounce it like that.
> >I certainly can't--not w/ an [a] following!
> >Karen
> Jeez, what's the [a] got to do with it?
> tushar

I just tried practicing it but had to stop because Bernard was showing
alarm.  What the [a] has to do with it is that it strikes English-speaking
tongues as extremely weird to shoot from a retroflex sh (or some semblance
thereof) to [a].  I'm not sure why, since we can obviously move from [r]
to [a].  "Tushra" would work.  The sh in that name would be sort of
retroflexish in anticipation of the [r].  And the tongue could leap onward
to the [a] because it's used to [r] -> [a] hopping.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From: karsten@netcom.com (karsten)
Subject: Re: I am not afraid of words-l!
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 19:30:11 GMT
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gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK (Graham Toal) writes:
> Does this mean you're an a.s.b lurker, hmmm?  How many does that make now,
> I wonder...?

Lurker?  With this lovely collection of wizvax numbers?

--karsten

(According to the Arbitron figures there are over 100K ASB lurkers)
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Date:         Sat, 5 Sep 1992 15:46:10 MED
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@STACK.URC.TUE.NL>
Subject: Re: EMAIL TO MY SCREEN--VILANELLE
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:I was afraid that was gonna be Tushar's answer.  <sigh>  I hope those of
:you who wanted to keep it did so when you got it.  If not, send a note to
:Bernardykins, who could probably be persuaded to forward you a copy.  Or
:get it from usenet, where it is no doubt still available on most of your
:systems.  Our usenet stuff stays here about three weeks.  Is that about
:typical?  Longer than typical?  Shorter than typical?
:   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)

Back to an earlier thread...  the other way to get tushar annoyed is
to not understand half his shining wit...

G
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Subject: Re: Deconstruction
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:30:51 GMT
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In article <Pine.3.03.9209131314.A3099-8100000@Joyce-Perkins.tenet.edu> Anne Burton Harwell <harwell@TENET.EDU> writes:
>On Sun, 13 Sep 1992, Gilbert Smith wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry, I'm too old to understand any of this deconstruction of the
>> text.
>
>Someone tell me what the difference between deconstruction and "picking
>apart" is.
>

The only really lucid and workable definition I've found is "the careful 
teasing out of the warring forces of signification within the text."
            --Barbara Johnson
 
RICHH
--just don't tell Joe Green I said that, or he'll start a thread that will
--never ever die
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Date:         Sun, 13 Sep 1992 16:05:34 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: "For"
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> OK, 'fess up - who else is now skipping these unread?

I may be.  I'm skipping some things unread.  But I don't remember what
"For" refers to.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Subject: AHD3
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:34:24 GMT
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I believe it was Rod who gave an advance preview here of the new 3rd edition
of The American Heritage Dictionary.  I bought it last night, intending to
give it to someone as a wedding present, but now that I've opened it up,
I won't be able to part with it.  Haven't had time to look at more than a
few entries, but these are dandies -- the "usage notes" under "hopefully,"
"that/which," "shall/will" and so forth.  These seem to me to be quite
sane advisories, sort of a descriptive prescriptivism.  Oh, and here's a
word I learned from it: absquatulate.  I'll be looking for an opening
to use that one.

By the way, happy [43rd?] birthday, Rod!

brad
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 04:14:39 -0500
From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: hated terms
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> There are certain terms that have become so overused that I
> have come to hate them, and to wince whenever they are used
> at work (primarily).  It appears to have become a general
> dislike, because at our staff meeting today, our group,
> including my boss, began poking fun at one of the company
> memos.  These hated terms are:
>
>     1. proactive (this is definitely the A-number-1 horrifying
>            term!)
>     2. empowerment
>
Jill, it sounds as if our faculty and your staff get overworked terms from
the same place.  Actually, I can still manage the ones above...but I still
recoil when I hear (and I still occasionally *do* hear) anything about
"maximizing your potential"...that one left a really bad taste.
ndh
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Date:         Mon, 14 Sep 1992 22:42:13 EDT
From:         Graham Toal <gtoal@CURSCI.CO.UK>
Subject:      RE: Gleanings (59)
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On Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:36:44 CDT, "Anne BWP Harwell" <aharwell@panam1.panam.edu>
 wrote:
> >22) "Ceptin!" (Anne Hr.)
>
> On _Star Trek_, Scotty's mangled pronunciation of "Captain!"

Chekov says "Keptin", Scotty says "Cap'n".
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From: bayla@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bayla Singer)
Subject: Re: Riffles
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 03:05:40 GMT

Honest (would grandma fib to you?), one of my favorite memories of Los
Angeles (from one visit there) was a license plate I saw: 
   
           RRRRITA

I can still hear it, in my head. 

--bayla
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:54:47 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Family Tree
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So sorry --ggs.  I was laughing so hard the tears blinded me and I didn't
see Jill tucked away down there with your and Shag's other children.  Hugs
and kisses from your contrite sis.

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:01:05 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject:      Re: The wonders of telecom

>	I find this rather ODD coming from you Don.  Goodness knows
>how unpopular it was to actually say what I was thinking in public
>on the list about what I considered an odd topic on your part.  OH
>IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED IN PRIVATE was the popular clarion
>call.

I thought the question was whether the person being discussed was also
included. Privacy has'nt much to do with it.

tushar
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From: ednschmi@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (John Schmidt)
Subject: Re: SEX ID
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Date: 15 Sep 92 11:56:00 GMT

Even from this distance, the "hot prospect" is a distinct turn-off!!

John Schmidt

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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Zen

>Posted on 11 Sep 1992 at 16:03:41 by Alec D. Plotkin 215-645-4366
>>Having trouble with humor today?
>
>Nope, just the usual problem w/ blatant ignorance I always have.
>
>Karen

Then read more and drink less warthog sweat.

-Mka
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:38:53 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz
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> re the sheep effect:  find it outrageous that your

I was roaming around on usenet a few minutes ago and stopped by bit.listserv.
words-l to reread Jim's original about the "quiz" since I found it really
weird to think that he might have done it orally and expected reasonable
results.  I didn't see anything in it to suggest an oral exercise.  As I
said earlier, it never entered my mind to think it might have been done
orally.  If I had thought that, I certainly would have tossed it out as
meaningless.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:42:08 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Today's pop quiz
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>      And with just such a hop I found:
>
>      "A Manual for Dialect REsearch in the Southern States"
>
> Is this what you had in mind?

Yep.  It's pretty old now but is still good.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:19:53 -0500
From:         Doris Smith <dorisann@TENET.EDU>
Subject: re: family
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Keep us posted, will you?  That date is coming up soon.

doris smith (dorisann@tenet.edu)
(who still is not a grandmother but is beginning to like the idea more and
more all the time but whose son and daughter-in-law have more say in the
matter than do I)
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Date:         Sun, 6 Sep 1992 08:29:56 CDT
From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>
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> > one of my office mates when I was a TA at UT had an MA from NCSU.
> I think this sentence fragment deserves some
> sort of award..

Looks sort of like a French newspaper, doesn't it?  Have you ever noticed
how many acronyms and other abbreviations are used in France?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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From:         Blue eyes cryin' in the rain <TRAVEN@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject: Re: My trip- the conclusion.
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>>>(Pasteur worked and made the first Rabies vaccine)

>> Now I am confused. Exactly what did Jenner do?


>Small pox vaccine from cow something, serum (?).  Not sure of this, tho.

>rashmi

	Cowpox.  The virus of which is closely related to the smallpox virus,
	and mild infection with which confers semi-immunity to smallpox.
	Jenner's discovery is usually given as occurring in 1798.

	Pasteur devised his rabies vaccine -- a nasty series of about 15
	injections in the belly -- somewhere around 1870.

neal, the epidemiologic historian
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 13:11:06 EDT
From:         BGRISSOM@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject:      Economics question
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If we pool our life savings and wire the proceeds to Torkel to invest
in Swedish debt instruments at the Riksbank's new 75% interest rate,
would we get an attractive yield (after transaction costs and Torkel's
management fee, of course)?  Would there be significant risk involved?

brad
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Posted on 8 Sep 1992 at 07:00:12 by torkel@SICS.SE
>  But Bertie reads lots of books! Nearly all of them mysteries, I believe.

That does it.  Up until now most of my pleasure reading has been mysteries,
but it *clearly* isn't good for you!

Karen
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From:         Entropy Warrior <AUSBROOK@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Unuserfriendly

>Why not just say what my husband told me:  User-hostile.
>
>--Susan

Because these are the nineties, Susan.  We're all new-age
sensitive folk who have a problem with hostility.  It's painful
even to see the word appear.  In fact, I'm going to call my
therapist now . . .  You've upset me so.

-Mka
Therapist  The rapist
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Date:         Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:51:09 CDT
From:         tushar@MATH.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: "Prescriptivism"

>> On the contrary, given a sufficient number of people with like feelings
>> the distinction will be preserved. That's after all the point of arguing.
>
>If a sufficient number of people have like feelings, the distinction will
>be preserved because they're making the distinction, not because they're
>arguing about it.

I wasn't talking about *their* arguing at all.


>> I am still puzzled about who these people are.
>
>Look around.  They're everywhere.  Safire et al.

This has probably gotten out of context by now. I wanted to know who was
surprised by what Webster says about "disinterested" and makes his scheme
backfire. Anyway, it's irrelevant now.


>Not being very science-minded, I probably shouldn't try to comment on
>whether it's unscientific.  Illogical?  Not necessarily.  It's mainly
>useless.

That's what I don't agree with. (Also, by the way, by "science" I didn't
mean Physics and Biology only.)

tushar
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