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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Gary Glenner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Grimjack
Date: 28 Jan 93 06:51:38 GMT
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

In article <i9c2XB8w165w@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca> panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
>
>I loved the John Gaunt story.  I loved the Truman art.  I thought 
>Cynosure was the neatest thing since the Marvel Universe.  Still do.
>
>So I went on reading it but Jim Twilly never meant much to me and I 
>didn't really like the art from that point on.  Everything seems 
>recycled, the magic wasn't as much fun... Still, the adventures of John 
>Gaunt will always be memories of a good spell in comics for me.

Me too. Somewhere though, during the Mandrake run I think, Ostrander
started running out of steam, IMO.  I was glad to see the
revitalization, and I enjoyed the Ostrander/Henry issues, but nowhere
near as much as the Truman issues.  However, the 2 Kelley Jones
issues, the GN, and the Demon Wars -- all towards the end of the run,
are among my fave Grinner sagas.  This is one of the comics that
brought me back to comics after years of being away, I think it and
Moore's Swamp Thing were the first monthlies I bought on a regular
basis, but I forget what I borrowed and I what I bought :) At the
time, it was funny how so many of my favorites were in the 'G's,
GrimJack, Grendel, Green Arrow, and it seems like something else I'm
forgetting.  Anyway, lots o'good memories.

>And Munden's Bar.  I really miss Munden's bar.

Oh yeah.  Munden's also introduced me once in a while to other nifty
things like Sam and Max, gotta be grateful for that :).

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
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 face, how does one confront it bare?"
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From:  (Greg Pallenik)
Subject: Rec.arts.sandman
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:08:42 GMT

Look, guys, I don't read Sandman, nor do I intend to.  Please don't flame
me, it's just not my type of comic (neither are the X-books, BTW) but IMHO
this newsgroup is "cluttered" with Sandman postings.  I'm finding it harder
and harder to select post that interest me.  Would it be possible to get a
rec.arts.sandman post?  Thanks for reading.

Greg
From: geurink@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Josh Geurink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: JLA #72
Date: 27 Jan 1993 15:18:01 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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In article <SS.93Jan27084357@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>>>>>> On Wed, 27 Jan 1993 03:38:48 GMT, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) said:

>dvandom> I think Flash's costume changes may be subtle hints that it
>dvandom> is the dream of a madman who has trouble keeping things
>dvandom> straight....

>Seemed to me, ALL the costumes were darker than normal. The red's are
>maroon, and the shades of green on J'onn and GL are darker....

Well, yes... but that's not what Dave's talking about.

Watch the Flash's outfit from the cover to panel to panel.
It changes ever-so-slightly from one to the other.

	JHG, CVE


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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Doom 2099 #3
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:54:41 GMT

This just isn't Doom.  He's too far out of character.  One of Doom's
defining traits -- along with techical brilliance and arrogance -- is
a sense of *style*, and this Doom hasn't got it.  A sense of style and
a feeling of noblesse oblige would combine to prevent Doom from involving
the populace in his battle with Wylde.  It would be far more consistent
for him to hold off until he could just walk in and take Latveria.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   If you're going to write, don't pretend to write down.  It's going to be the
   best you can do, and it's the fact that it's the best you can do that kills
   you! -- Dorothy Parker

Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (Ground Chuck)
Subject: Re: BATMAN- P. Craig Russel!
Organization: University of Georgia
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:28:11 GMT

I just wanted to second the recommendation for "Hothouse."  I haven't seen
any of P Craig Russel's artwork before (well, actually I have -- he did
Gotham by Gaslight, as I recall, but it didn't stand out as much for me.)

Anyway, the art has exactly the right "feel" for a Batman story, I think.
The story is pretty good, too, even if it's nothing spectacular.  Still, I'm
looking forward to the next issue..


Chuck

-- 
                  Chuck Jordan | jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu
"It's like getting hit in the back of the head with a surfboard of flavor!"
			-- Mystery Science Theater
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: New releases for January 26, eh?
Keywords: I post fewer and fewer messages, eh?
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 18:33:15 GMT

>In article <mumble, eh> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:
>>
>>So like here's the list of stuff that one of them wholesalers is planning
>>on scorin' us, eh?  So like it's for like today, eh, which is like January
>>26, eh?  So like anyone here want a real man's beer?  Didn't think so, eh?
>
>>Aardvark-Vamaheim, eh?  So like, pass the back bacon.

Tragic. The strain of managing a comic book store, going to university,
selling part of collection and posting here has finally caused Jim to
snap. He has regressed back to his days when he was a Bob and Doug
Mackenzie fan. There's not to much hope when this happens. The only
thing we can do is make him watch bad American sitcoms until he snaps
back to reality. Cruel, I know, but it's the only way, eh.

<Oooops>

_craig

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From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Squadron Supreme
Date: 24 Jan 1993 20:49:55 GMT
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RHK106@psuvm.psu.edu wrote:
: I remember seeing one of those tiny ads in one comics letter columns for the
: Squadron Supreme maxi series.

: What you saw was only black silluettes (how the hell do you spell?) with
: characters who looked like Superman (in the front of course) and Batman
: (Nighthawk or whatever his name was looked just like him in silluette), a
: guy with wings who must've been Hawkman (sorry, I forgot the SS names) and a
: guy with a ring that appeared to glow or radiate (the Green Lantern
: counterpart).

One thing I always thought was fishy was that Marvel announced SS
right after DC made its earliest hints about Watchmen being "a
realistic series based on Charleton characters."  Marvel had a really
fast turn-around time back then (abotu 3-4 months to the newsstand)
and there were some other projects (which escape me now) that seemed
like Marvel attempts to do DC's ideas before DC could get them out.
That, and the fact that SS's plot changed fairly radically from what
was detailed by Gruenwald just a month before it came out made me
really suspicious.  (The Gruenwald interview in Amazing Heroes
mentioned a lot of villians who were carbons of JLAers foes, perhaps
too similar for the legal department's taste).  So SS couldn't have
had much advance planning, given how it got changed.  It turned out
that Watchmen was more radical than anyone would have expected, so no
one seemed to think that SS the real groundbreaker.

It was a lot of fun at the time-- I particualrly liked some of the
more subtle swipes, including a cover which which was straight from a
Legion comic (where the Legion is brainwashing Superboy in a high-tech
looking chair-and-headpiece apparatus).  


On a similar note, there was a recent JL-something cover with two rows
of heroes running toward each other, with Max Lord, hands raised,
standing in the center background between the heroes.  This was an
hommage to some mid-70's cover, but I can't remember which.  Anyone
know?   Seems like it might have been Snapper Carr in the original. 
===

--
Ken Small           kens@umich.edu
"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan

--
Ken Small           kens@umich.edu
"I used to be disgusted; now I try to be amused."
Consulting and Support Services, University of Michigan
From: vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Politeness and the Usenet (was Re: JLA #72 and a SERIOUS CASE OF DEJA VU!)
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:29:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: camelot.vanyel.727997365
Distribution: usa
Organization: Bradley University

tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston) writes:
>My opinions are stated as opinions and don't deserve to be labeled as
>'whining' just because they differ from the opinions of others.  As above,
>let's just discuss the comic and quit with this vicious shit, OK?

Since when has polite conversation existed on the Usenet?  In nearly every
group I've seen, this is about the only way people will actually pay
attention to something you write.

For myself, I consider it "whining" that a bunch of people get together to
discuss comics, and it turns into a "this-is-bad" fest--and when anyone
disagrees, a zillion people jump in to point out fault after fault.

In your post, I noticed a tendency to jump back up on your soapbox when you
found Michael Rawdon disagreeing with you, including some snotty remark
about "knowing how to read comics" or therelike.  And now you talk about
*my* response.

Oh, *do* get a life.

>As for telling people not to use Usenet groups so much, well, I think
>you're way out of line.  If you don't like my opinions, feel free to
>not read them.  

For one thing, I didn't tell *anyone* to not use Usenet groups so much.
For another thing, I think my posts aren't particularly out of line, any
more than yours are.  And as far as opinions go--well, when you feel
obliged to make remarks presuming the rest of us are too stupid to know
"how to read" a comic book, then expect it.


--

 _______________ Alan Williams | vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu _________________
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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:25:11 GMT

In article <93020.111835U58505@uicvm.uic.edu> <U58505@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>Here's an interesting point about the Phantom Stranger that some of you
>may not know.  Supposedly the Phantom Stranger was once a high ranking
>angel; he wasn't one of the seven that stand closest to God's throne but
>he was up there (probably a seriphim).  When the first angelic rebellion
>took place the Phantom Stranger (don't know his former angel name) decided
>to be neutral and sided with neither Lucifer's forces or the heavenly
>hosts.  After the hosts cast Lucifer and his followers through the
>Chaoplasm (the icky goo that disfigured the defeated angels and turned them
>into demons); the victorious, but wounded, angels on God's side banished
>the Phantom Stranger from heaven.  But because he didn't side with
>Lucifer, he wasn't cast through the chaoplasm.  So the Phantom Stranger
>made the long precarious descent into Hell to see his fallen brethren.
>The demons (the disfigured angels) hated the "beatific purity" that
>still surrounded him.  And in a rage the new demon known as Leviathan
>tore the neutral angel's holy wings from him.  Then the demons kicked
>him out from the Hell they were building.  An angel banished from
>heaven and denied a place in Hell.  A being like no other in all of
>creation.

Well, it isn't very original.  Dante, in Canto III of Inferno, introduces us
to the "coward angels."  They sit by the gateway to Hell.  According to 
Paradise Lost, 1/3 of the angels revolted, and kicked some major butt until 
the Son came on the field.  Now 1/3 is 1/3 of infinity, which is still infinity,
but we won't go into that.  But how could 1/3 POSSIBLY beat the reamining 2/3
of the angels?  Well, that's because 1/3 remained neutral, evening the odds.
So there's a heck of a lot more than one half angel wandering around. 

-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...
From: Jym Dyer <jym@mica.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: _Bone_ #7 is Out -- No Sign of #6
Date: 25 Jan 1993 03:40:29 GMT
Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line
NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu's message of 18 Jan 93 05:21:10 GMT

> Kristine Anstine, the manager of the Comic Relief store in
> Berkeley, blames Capital City Distributors for their not
> having gotten #6. She did say that they re-ordered it.

=o= She told me that it was a computer error at Capital City.
Comic Relief isn't the only store in the area suffering from
the error . . .

> I have to say I was slightly disappointed in #7.

=o= Likewise. :-(
    <_Jym_>
Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:12998 alt.comics.lnh:318
From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman -- Brief Lives 7
Organization: Incredibly Dense Squid of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 03:32:14 GMT

In article <C18JCB.JAF@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
>In article <1993Jan21.220135.9803@athena.mit.edu> dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia) writes:
>>
>>In the flashback scenes, what did the scene with the Corinthian refer to?
>>Is this something we haven't seen before, an even in the past we don't know
>>about?  Blood on the throne of the Dreaming....  
>
>I don't think we know. Everything seems quite white. You suppose there's
>any connection to Lianora? (Close? the woman who was last to leave Barbie's
>skerry.) She had that long scar on her cheek.

Right. Skip that last bit. It's Alianora and whoever's doing the letter
col (Karen "The Big Spin" Berger?) says they might bring us that story 
some day. I should read the whole thing before I post.

While I'm here:

- Destiny doesn't cast a shadow. I guess Thompson is one up on Dringenberg.

- There's an interview with Matt Wagner in the Comic Shop News. He points
  out that Wesley Dodds was suppose to wear an all black costume, but that
  the colorist ignored the script and gave the Golden Age Sandman a multi-
  color look. See. Problems with color happen.

- How long before we see Green Mousse Ice Cream from Ben and Jerry?

(part 25.5)------------------
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith  | "Good grief! He's dead! He must have cracked his 
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  shell when you pulled that football away. Maybe
  Idea shamelessly stolen,  |  we can get your brother to bury him in the 
   then slightly modified.  |  pumpkin patch with the others."    _Peanuts_ 
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Re: Omaha Cat Dancer
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:08:41 GMT

As best as I have been able to determine, Omaha #18 is due out Real Damn Soon.
The cover was shown in an ad in Cherry Jubilee #2, but when I asked a worker at
the local shop that carries the "NC17" comics if it had maybe come in and I 
missed it, he said no after looking at the cover in the ad.  So we can only 
wait and hope.
     As for what has come out after the fourth "smalltown phonebook" of Omaha, 
there have been a few "loose" issues, with #17 coming out last summer, and two 
issues of "Images of Omaha" which is a benefit book intended to pay some of 
Reed's medical bills.  Most of the stuff in it is 1-2 page pinups or shorts, 
with a few 3-5 page pieces.  The cover of #2 has Cerebus as a "stage door 
Johnny" standing out in the rain outside Omaha's dressingroom.  There are ALOT 
of artists contributing to this, even some dead ones (their estates donated 
some unpublished pieces).
     Oh, for any of you out there in racmland who might have picked up the 
first phonebook and been discouraged by what seemed to be more sex over plot, 
read on...it really got better once Reed and Kate started to do it for the 
"long haul" instead of an issue here and a short there in various funny animal 
books.  The Images books have several pieces talking about why people read 
Omaha, from the silly to the sublime.
     Dave Van Domelen, hey, even BEANWORLD appeared in Images of Omaha!
From: lsmith@deca.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Cages (was Re: MISC: Missed Deadlines)
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:04:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.C1HMyo.2uM
Distribution: na
Organization: The Captive Squids of the Poor

In article <C1G2Fz.L8s@cmcl2.nyu.edu> silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) writes:
>Anyone know when the next Cages (#7?) is supposed to come out?  Or what
>the schedule is?  (I shouldn't complain, I picked up all six books a
>couple of months ago, so *I* haven't been waiting forever.  *8-)

I haven't seen it announced yet. The earliest it could come out would be 
April. I don't know if it's in the latest Diamond catalog and the Cap
City list for April is due out this week. 

I don't think McKean mentioned a schedule (or delays) in his interview 
with The Comics Journal. Of course, De Freitas stayed away from such mundane
things. 

(part 30something)-----------
  Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith  | "Yes, I'm looking for a new partner for my act.
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  My old partner...well, let's just say she had an
   Is it an alligator or    |  accident. Now have you worked with alligators
       a crocodile?         |  before?"                 _Punch and Peanut_
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: LSH #41
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:06:28 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.185947.1@happy.colorado.edu> mamcconnell@happy.colorado.edu (Mark (MacBear) McConnell) writes:
>> p.12, panel 1:  Doesn't the old clubhouse belong to the Subs?
>They don't seem to be using it, plus the time that SW6 was put
>out of commission (or cloned) makes them still feel it is *theirs*.
>Of course, Cham knows who it should go to, but maybe he knows
>Jacque's and Rokk's plans.

The subs disbanded and gave it up for use as a museum, sometime after the
infamous Subs Special.
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Turkey Casserole
    that she made from Leftover Turkey.
[days 3-4 deleted] ...  Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
   -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)

Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 11:24:46 CST
From: <U58505@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
 <LUCIEN.93Jan20152949@fionavar.watson.ibm.com>

In article <LUCIEN.93Jan20152949@fionavar.watson.ibm.com>, lucien@watson.ibm.com
(Lucien Van Elsen) says:
>
>Sandman is fiction- I don't see the problem.  By the same token, he's
>"espousing" the existance of Batman and the Martian Manhunter.  Unless you
>think he's writing non-fiction?
>
>        -Lucien
>

Oh come on.  I think you know what I'm talking about.  I'm talking about
creationism versus evolution.  Not Batman or the Martian Manhunter.
Sure it's fiction, I know that.  But I do believe in a supreme being
(entirely by faith of course, how else can you believe in a supreme
being); seeing stories like this are a real kick for me.
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From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage)
Subject: Re: Sandman Thoughts!!!
Organization: New York University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 19:39:03 GMT

arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

>In article <1993Jan20.215552.5661@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> manley@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (Skybax Rider, Apprentice Class) writes:
>>>1)  Were the Endless created by God directly or came into existence as a
>>>    side effect of his creations?  I'm under the impression that the
>>>    Endless weren't created directly but were a side effect of his
>>>    works. 
>>>    As soon as God created the first angel, the side effect of that one
>>>    act was all the Endless coming into existence.
>>   I'd say that depends on how youu view the nature of the Endless.  I look
>>   at them as local manifestations of universal qualities, created by the
>>   local presence of conciousness (yep, it's bullshit).  So, if those
>>   qualities are part of the "fabric" of the universe, it would depend on
>>   what god created first -- the angels of the universe.

>Isn't it mentioned somewhere in Sandman that all beings will die, with Death
>the last one to do so?

Yeah, we even see it in _Books of Magic_ #4 (page.... oh, yeah, they're
not numbered... well, it's *somewhere* near the end, of the book, i
mean, at the end of the universe when Death comes for Destiny...)

>If so, then nothing we recognize as God can exist, since God is supposed to be
>immortal in a rather strong sense.
>--
>"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Leftover Turkey!
>On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me...  Turkey Casserole
>    that she made from Leftover Turkey.
>[days 3-4 deleted] ...  Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
>   -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)

Well, god is exists on a higher plane (in at least 5 dimensions, since
He is eternal, ie outside of time...); he *is* eternal/immortal/etc, he
just stays away from the end of everything. 

>Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)

			-Darkmage

----
Darkmage IS silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu
I want a dog.
fnord
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:25:55 EST
From: <GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Silver Surfer/Warlock:Resurection
Distribution: world

Yeah, it's gorgeous paper.  Here's some other books of which I know that use
the same format:

Valiant - Harbinger (5-up), Shadowman (all), Archer & Armstrong (0, 1, 3 only),
          Eternal Warrior (1 only), HARD Corps (1 only), all Ernie Colon drawn
          Magnus: Robot Fighter

Marvel - Resurrection limited series, Venom limited series, all of the
         'Unlimited' quarterly series

Dark Horse - Aliens: Colonial Marines

Also, a lot of bookshelf editions and/or graphic novels use it.  Here's hoping
Valiant just starts printing all their books in this deluxe format.  I'd pay an
extra quarter per book for it.  And they should lower Archer & Armstrong's
price since they took it off that book.  But I guess that's a fat chance.

                                                          --Eric