From: jjohnson@convex.com (Jennifer L. Johnson)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals
Subject: Re: Hunters Needed
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:26:10 GMT
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Scott Wood writes:

>jjohnson@convex.com (Jenifer L. Johnson) writes:
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`So what`s the real reason we can't find even two hunters out of the bunch who
`are willing to test their views against two members of the opposition?  If the
leaders of the AR movement are simply disseminators of misinformation,
`wouldn't this be a wonderful opportunity for those level-headed hunters to
`give us the facts?  Or are hunters afraid to test beliefs based largely on
`tradition and myth against the well-founded arguments of Ingrid and Wayne?

`I'll be in Austin for the Conference and for the debate, so I can post a
`followup as to whether any of those ~700 noble, level-headed hunters could
`muster the conviction and the courage to stand up to a bunch of gullible,
`Bambi-worshipping vegetarians.  My guess is that the hunters will prove
`themselves to be the cowards we AR folks suspect they are.

>What is the purpose for the fee?  Just because a group decides to hold a
>debate does not mean that the opposing side is going to want to show up.
>Granted someone should, but I am sorry if I am bit skeptical about a group
>that is debating something I am against and is charging admission.

I believe there's a misunderstanding about the conference registration fee.
I clarified this in email to you, Scott, but since other folks have asked
similar questions, I'm including my response to you here as well.

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Scott asked:

>Are the times set up in such a way as to allow attendance of both?

I replied:

If by "both," you mean the Texas Conference and the TP&W Hunting Expo,
in their entirety, then no.  Both events are on Saturday and Sunday
at different locations, so it would be impossible to attend all of
both.  But why would anyone want to?  The groups--hunters and animal
rights activists--are mutually exclusive.  

The hunting debate, however, is scheduled for the night before either
the Conf or the Expo begins.  It's not "part" of the Conference, which
means you don't have to be registered for the conference to attend
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the debate.  So, yes, the times are set up to allow attendance of both
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the TP&W Expo and the debate.  I can't say for sure, because I wasn't
on the organizing committee, but it seems likely that FoA chose the
place (Austin) and dates to coincide with the Expo, and therefore ensure
representation as well as attendance of hunters.  Without the hunting
representation, there can't be a debate, of course.

The Conf agenda includes a break during which we will conduct an anti-hunting
protest at the Expo.  In effect, we will be taking our message to those
least likely to be "converted."  We will be greatly outnumbered, and will
probably be dealt a generous ration of shit, and it won't be much fun, but
if we believe in our cause, we've got to be willing to stand and defend it.

The invitation to hunters to attend the debate is the same thing.  Sure,
you'll be outnumbered, but if you're "right," all you've got to do is
argue convincingly.

-jennifer
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>If your debate truely needs equal sides to the arguement, and if in fact the
>cost is just to cover the expenses of the event, get me a couple of
>complimentary passes, and I will personally deliver them to Ted's offices
>in Jackson, Michigan.  In fact, if you get one for me, I consider hoppin in my
>little red truck and driving all the way to Austin to join the debate and
>miss opening weekend of Archery bow in my home state of Michigan in the
>name of truth.
>But put money in the hands of the adversary and spend all that money and
>time to go all the way to Austin to do so?  NOT!!!!

>swood

Scott, you don't have to put a penny in the hands of the adversary.
All you (or Nugent) have to do is show up with your pockets full of "truth."

So, big fella, are you gonna be true to your word (above), or wimp out?


-- 
 Jennifer L. Johnson | "Those who kill animals for food will be more prone 
 jjohnson@convex.com |  than vegetarians to torture and kill their fellow
	IWTFM	     |  men."  		--Pythagoras