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From: mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick)
Subject: Re: Maryland info
Organization: Vitro Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:17:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.232057.29581@wam.umd.edu>
daveyang@next06cville.wam.umd.edu (rumpshaker) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.150018.3662@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>  
>mikail@cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Mikail Shams) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec13.212431.11809@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,  
>daho_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dmitri) writes:
>> |> Could someone post more information about Maryland basketball games?   
>I can
>> |> get scores from clari.sports.basketball but nothing more.   
>Specifically,
>> |> how have Johnny Rhodes and Xree Hipp been doing?  Thanks in advance!
>> |>                                 --Displaced Terps Fan
>> 
>In Response: Maryland(4-1) has breezed by lackluster teams>among them  
>locals UMBC,UMES,and American. Their only loss has come against,  
>W.Virginia, their first road game, first for their outstanding  
>freshman(more disciplined than another fabulous freshman(sophs now) team.
>Johnny Rhodes(a top 5 recruit) has shown a maturity level beyond his  
>years. His specialty is the three, though he has shown the ability to  
>penetrate, dish off or come up with a finesse basket. He is a crowd  
>favorite, b/c he is obviously the most skilled, all around of the team.
>Along with Exree Hipp( a top 20 recruit), they are the subject of fan  
>approval,praises. Hipp posseses a vertical that surpasses anyone of Terp  
>yesteryear.(including Walt and Len) This is mainly because of his  
>frame(6'7 yet a mere 185 pds), though he does manage to hold his own  
>ground. Mario Lucas(Memphis,Tenn.) has improved in each game. Though he  
>looks a little uncomfortable out there(esp in press situations) he will,  
>by the end of the season turn out to be one of their key bench players.
>Duane Simpkins(top 15) provides relief to Kevin McLinton. He has yet to  
>come up with a big game so far, and looks a little rusty.Another key  
>figure could be bruiser, Kurtis Schultz, 6'6" who saw minimal playing time  
>last year but seems to spark the team when the situation is unproductive.
>Watch to see Md's improvement this year, They could wind up surprising a  
>lot of people......(daveyang@wam.umd.edu)
>

These points are good. I think the best thing about the team is that they go 10
deep off the bench. The press is much more effective now because they don't
have to protect players nearly as much.

BTW, with Joe Smith signed and Keith Booth waiting for the spring, UM keeps
looking better and better!!

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From: matt@ms.uky.edu (Matt Mccoy)
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
    <1992Dec13.114157.20221@ms.uky.edu> <matthew.724269424@base.cs.ucla.edu>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:02:11 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher) writes:

>Not that I care for Louisville, or their style of play, but this bears
>pointing out:

>Louisville Championships since 1980: 2
>Kentucky Championships since 1980: 0

>Maybe they need to move into the 90's, but Kentucky, it would seem,
>could do well moving into the 80's.

>There have been numerous arguments about how Denny Crum has not adjusted
>to the three-point shot.  Personally, I'd give the guy a few more years
>before writing him off.
>--
Denny Crum is a firm advocate of the 'UCLA' style of offense, which
does not tend to focus around long range shooting.  The offense of
Louisville (or lack thereof) centers around low post play, strong
rebounding, and "street ball' style of play.  This is all fine and
dandy, if you can make it work, but the lack of instilling discipline
in his players hurts Crum, regardless of the offense he runs.

My apologies, I forgot about the '86 team, and agree with whoever
commented on the Senior leadership for that team.  That was one of
the rare 'team' efforts from a UofL ballclub.  

As for championships, I don't like singling out accomplishments,
however I will add that UK has 5 National Championships in three 
different decades, while UofL has had 2 in one decade.  Not that
this has any validity as an argument, just a fact I like to point
out to diehard UofL fans!!   :-)

People who aren't familiar with basketball in the Commonwealth 
might think the Rozier technical was an isolated incident.  I contend
however that it is indicative of the lack of discipline, and style
of play that is encouraged, either directly, or indirectly by the
coaching staff for the Cards.  It is a shame, because it cheapens the
'magic' of the Dream Game, and reflects poorly on the Commonwealth
of Kentucky to boot!

And Lord knows we don't need anymore negative press  :-)

matt



>Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
>Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
>               		This time, *with* the oys
-- 
I gots two words to say to you:                        matt@ms.uky.edu
          'Rodrick Rhodes'.      Any Questions???      mwmcco00@ukpr.uky.edu
From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Sagarin's NCAA Division I rating (top 25)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 14:26:45 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
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In article <1992Dec14.151521.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cpsigd01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.155637.175@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>> Here are the top 25 teams in Sagarin's rating.
...
>Did you all notice which of the top 25 teams has the toughest schedule?-- 

No.

- goober (it's that kinda day) smith
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From: lewism@jmb2.jmb.com (Mike Lewis)
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Organization: JMB Realty Corporation
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:20:32 GMT

Matt Mccoy (matt@ms.uky.edu) wrote:
: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:
: 
: 
: >At one point, when this game was on the line, Jamal Mashburn simply took over
: >and dominated; it was about 10 mins into the 2nd half, and he scored 8 or
: >so unanswered points in a moment.  Mashburn may be the best forward to play
: >College ball since Larry Bir. ;)
: 
: This is typical play coming from Mashburn.  I would argue that he is
: a better all around player than Bird, at this stage in his game.  It
: will be interesting to see how he develops as the season progresses.

In case anyone has forgotten, Larry Bird took a group of mediocre ballplayers
from a small-time program to a 31-1 record and the national title game "at this
stage in his game."  I would argue that Jamal Mashburn couldn't hold Larry
Bird's jockstrap "at this stage in his game."

: >Can anyone who saw this game explain what happened to Louisville?  Mentally
: >soft?  Crum consistently drafts excellent talent every year, but the results
: >always seem to be the same.

The same as what?  Do you mean the same as the national championships in 1980
and 1986?  He clearly hasn't done that well every year...I realize that UK had
a great program about 30 years ago, but UofL has won 2 national championships
since the last time UK won any.  Talk to me when UK has won one.

: An example of the typical UofL player.  Lack of discipline, which
: explains the reason why UofL always plays so poorly.  The last time
: they had real leadership was Darrell Griffith when they won the
: National Championship in '80.  A shame, cause I agree that UofL
: has gotten alot of talent, but they are losing the recruiting battle
: because Crum cannot for the life of him coach discipline.  That is
: a sad, but true fact.

Pervis Ellison in 1986?

: Mediocre ball clubs  (Wright State, EKU, Morehead) tend to give
: the Mash trouble because he cannot seem to get motivated for them.
: Perhaps this is just a mental blockage, or maybe he really does have
: an achillies heel.  

See my Larry Bird comment, above.
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From: suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Rick.Suffridge)
Subject: Re: Some Weekend Observations
Organization: NCR MCPD Columbia SC.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:33:32 GMT

trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
: 
: >I don't know about Tech overrated, but after their first 5 1/2 things take
: >a dive talentwise.
: 
: Forrest and Best are both excellent. Mackey underachieves, and Newbill isn't
: all that good.  Moore is talented but a bit raw.  Barry might get better later.
: If Mackey plays up to potential, then I would rank them in the top 20, but not
: now.

 Best is excellent but is sometimes out of control (7 turnovers against UK)
 and tends to shoot at times when he ought to pass.  Forrest should be All-
 ACC this year.  Mackey is far too passive.  I agree with you - he is the key
 to Tech's season this year.  If he has a big year they should finish 4th
 in the league at least.  Newbill is good for some rebounds and blocked shots
 but that is about it.  Moore has potetial - he should eventually be good.
 Hill is a solid player off the bench but after him the talent level drops
 significantly.

: >Unsung heroes of the game: Jeff Brassow, playing in pain.
: This kid can leap! Good shooter, too.  He was injured all last year, correct?

 Correct, he tore his ACL and had surgery in NY by the same doctor who did
 the surgery on Bernard King's knee.  As a sophomore he started for half
 the season before losing his spot to Farmer.  Then last year he was the
 starter the first 2 games (and averaging 15 ppg) when he went down.

: Will Gimmy Martinez even start when he comes back?
 
 No, Dent will continue to be the starter unless he repeats his EKU performance
 regularly.  Martinez will see a lot of minutes off the bench and should
 provide a real offensive spark (I wouldn't be suprised if he averages in
 double figures) along with Brassow.  Gimmy will probably see some time
 at PF (a more natural position for him considering his size) with Dent
 playing well and Riddick improved.

: I'm not sure if Duke is the best right now; they
: are the toughest, though.  UNC is actually playing at a higher level at this
: point.  We'll see what happens when they play a great team, rather than good
: ones.  I pray they peak early.

 Don't they always peak in December?
-- 
Richard D. Suffridge   803-791-6491  <suffridge@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>                                  
From an AP report:  Gore ... asked voters skeptical of their promise of
change to remember that every communist government in Eastern Europe had
fallen in 100 days. "Now it's our turn here in the United States," he said.
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Maryland v. Clemson Sanctions
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:45:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.073417.5115@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu  
(MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:
> Was what Maryland did nearly as bad as the Clemson Violations?  If not (and I
> believe they weren't) why was Maryland's sanction so much harsher?  See post
> on Clemson Sanctions.

Maybe the NCAA reads this newsgroup.

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From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Statistics
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 01:35:47 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: na
Keywords: Ostertag, stress fracture miss 4wks

	>By this system the ACC has No. 1, 4, 6, 7, 8, 17, 19, 28, 33, 33, 40, 49 which
	>equals 245 points.  Now on the Big 10 side :
	>
	>
	>This gives the Big 10 teams at No. 3, 5, 5, 9, 10, 10 (Wow - 6 top 10's!), 15
	>18, 28, 29, 35, and 48 = 215 points.  On this system, the Big 10 is 30 points

	Okay, now divide 245 points by the 9 teams in the ACC:

	245/9 = 27.2

	Now divide 215 points by the 11 teams in the Big 11:

	215/11 = 19.5

	This, of course, proves absolutely nothing!

	BUT, if we divide 245 ACC points by 22 Big 11 teams (men & women) and
	then divide 215 Big 11 points by 18 ACC teams:

	ACC: 245/22 = 11.1
	Big11: 215/18 = 11.9

	So, if we combine your total power points (my term) by my conference
	size factor, the ACC is just a wee bit tougher, on a per-team basis.

	- Rob Mac K
	Mathemagician extraordinaire
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Just goes to show you that you can turn statistics around any way you want....
one person looks at AP rankings, the other looks at TPP (total power rankings)....

I'll invent my own statistic. How about TTF (top ten factor)? It's simply
the number of teams each conference has in the top ten. In this case, it's
Big 11 (6), and the ACC (5). The Big 11 is 1 point superior!!!

Any questions?

		Marty Pochmara
		I advocate the "You can take you stats and shove 'em where
		the sun don't shine" party.......
From: frohnhof@ray.nlm.nih.gov (Jim Frohnofer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: What the hell is a Hoya?
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:27:25 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: National Library of Medicine, Bethesda Md. USA

Here's the answer as every freshman is given in their orientation package:

Around the turn of the century all of the Georgetown teams were known as the
Hilltoppers for the hill upon which Georgetown is built.  The Georgetown fans,
all of whom were required to study Latin and Greek, would cheer on the football
team with a chant of HOIA (Ancient Greek "what") SAXA (Latin "rocks"). 
"Hoya Saxa"="what rocks" (much like, but predating, Fordham's seven blocks
of granite.)  Later, it was corrupted to Hoya by local sportswriters who 
assigned the cheer to the team.

Those of you who have been fortunate enough to attend Georgetown games in person
know that to this day, the fans still occassionally do a monotonous
Hoyyyyya Saxxxxxa...Hoyyyyya Saxxxxxa... chant.

The bulldog is not just any bulldog, but Jack the Bulldog, a pet of one of the
Jesuit priests who was always in attendence at these football games.

However, its not that simple.  In the Summer '92 issue of the alumni
magazine, the current Georgetown historian disputes the whole "what rocks" story.
He points to other schools around the same time, just shouting nonsense cheers,
e.g. Boola-boola at Yale.  In fact he shows some evidence of Hoya being a cheer
at Holy Cross at the same time (though since Holy Cross is a Jesuit school they
also would have had to have taken Latin and Greek.)  Regardless, his most
reasonable argument is that studying Latin and Greek does not predispose someone
to use it in a cheer.  He believes that much later, students still studying Latin
and Greek discovered there were meanings to the nonsense words they were
cheering, and the story slowly came into existence.

So thats it, two stories, one more interesting, and one more believable.  There
is no dispute about Jack's identity though.

As an aside Georgetown still does have a football team.  The highlights of its
history are 1)Around the turn of the century having a player killed by UVA during
a game. 2)Orange Bowl loser circa 1949 3)Current head coach, E. Scott
Glacken former Denver (& Duke) QB, first QB of an AFL team to beat an NFL team 
in exhibition.  I'll save the rest for r.s.fb.c.

Jim Frohnhofer
frohnhof@ray.nlm.nih.gov
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From: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Big Ten Update (12-18-92)
Keywords: Big Ten
Reply-To: murphy@rock.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:08:31 GMT


5 pm), I will only be
|> around a couple of days between now and January 4th, so don't expect much!
|> I will attempt to have some semblance of a summary then.  If anyone can
|> fill in the blanks below as to the lineups in the holiday tourneys, I'd
|> be much appreciative.  I only know Purdue's...
|> 
|
|> Sunday (12-20):
|> 
|> 	Mercer at Illinois
|> 	North Carolina at Butler (ESPN, Noon CST - Ooops.  Being a native
|> 		Hoosier, I find this one absolutely intriguing.  This will
|> 		be played at Hinkle Fieldhouse, of "Hoosiers" fame)

|> Wednesday (12-23):
|> 
|> 	Illinois vs. Missouri (at St. Louis)
|> 	St. John's at Indiana
|> 	Minnesota at Santa Clara
|> 	Penn State at Temple
|> 	Detroit-Mercy at Wisconsin
|> 
|> Sunday (12-27):
|> 
|> 	Marquette at Illinois



Oops Randy, you goofed... Marquette Illinois is on the 29th, as UI plays at
Texas on the 26th.  Should be a tough week...

Murph
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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Best Conference
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:08:29 GMT

In article <BzFBJ7.Eyz@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs225b28@eng-nxt14.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student) writes:
>> >There was a year when the Big Ten was awesome.  In 1988 weren't Purdue
>> >and Illinois awesome, and Michigan and Indiana strong?  That was a  
>tough
>> >Big Ten!

	'88 was Purdue's year, 16-2.  I think the Illini were down a ways
	below some other teams, something like 12-6...

>What about the Big Ten in 1989.  Both Michigan and Illinois made it to the
>Final Four.  Illinois had a dream team with current NBA starters:
>
>      Steve Bardo       Team? I know he is on a roster

	He's on Dallas...

>As I recall Indiana, Purdue, and Minnesota were decent too.  I think 
>Minnesota made the sweet sixteen.

	Purdue stunk in '89.  Their only losing season (15-16) since
	1966...
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From: xjam@cork.CS.Berkeley.EDU (The Crossjammer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Duke tops AP and USA Today/CNN polls... Michigan tumbles
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:49:44
Organization: University of California, Berserkeley
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In-reply-to: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com's message of Mon, 14 Dec 92 18:01:31 GMT

>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Von Foerster <foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com> writes:
  Mike> |>    Yeah, Charlotte would have clobbered these college players... NOT!!

  Mike> I'll take Charlotte and 35 and I'll even let Duke keep Christian.
  Mike> We play NBA rules and that includes 48 minutes. Duke only has, what, 8-9
  Mike> players playing for 48 minutes.

Actually, the killer is the 24 second clock. I'd be willing to bet that no
college team could consistently free up their best offensive threat for a
shot within 24 seconds against any NBA team. That means the off people are
taking the shots as the clock winds down, if they get a shot off at all.

Also, no zone really exposes the 5th player on a college team to iso.
When's the last time you saw that in a college game?

And I won't even go into illegal defense...

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From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Subject: Re: Basketball lovers dreamland
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 07:11:35 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT

Yea, its called Kentucky.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: gvbalaji@utah.edu (Gopalan V Balaji)
Subject: Ben Davis out from Kansas ?
Keywords: Ben Davis
Reply-To: gvbalaji@utah.edu
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 02:29:26 GMT

Ben Davis was a very authoritative post player, from what I saw 
in his freshmen year last year.  What happened to him at Kansas,
and where is he playing (or going to play next year).

Kansas, Duke, Indiana, NC, UM, UK - three of these will be there
in New Orleans in March.



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From: skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell)
Subject: Re: Big 8 - Best Conference?
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:08:04 GMT

as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner) writes:


>I looked in the paper this week and saw the Big 8 was something like 33-3
>against Non-conference opponents.  Is this artificially inflated, or is it
>legit. dominance?  6 of the teams were undefeated, and the other 2 were over
>.500...

And a fairly decent Iowa State team has two of those losses. Kansas and
Oklahoma are the only other B8 teams that I know to have played top
20 opponents, and they've won. 

I've been touting my Huskers as being a potential sweet sixteen team, but in
reality they are a question mark until they play Michigan in a couple of weeks.
So far they've beaten up on some fairly mediocre teams.

From all I've been reading in the paper, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa State, Oklahoma,
and Colorado all expect to be improved over last year, and Oklahoma State is
the only team I know that won't be as good. I suspect that Missouri will still
be very competitive as always, and Kansas State will end up in the Big8
basement with an above .500 record.

All in all the Big8 will be one of the toughest conferences in the nation, at
least as tough as last year when they were considered the best conference by
many people. Are they the toughest this year? That depends on how much the other
conferences are improved over last year.

>Mike
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From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Re: Michigan doesn't play as a team
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:24:29 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor


	Correct me if I'm wrong but...
	Michigan loses a game to a very strong team
	whose point guard has the game of his life,
	and many people are questioning Steve Fishers
	ability to coach, Michigan's ability to play
	as a team rather than as individuals, Chris
	Webbers hustle. Come on people, it's one game;
	If Michigan gets blown out of the water by
	Dean Smith's overrated group from NC, I could
	understand all the gripes, but not because of
	a loss to Duke  where they could have won with 
	just a few breaks here or there.
---------------------------------------------------

OK, you are wrong! Michigan doesn't play as a team
because Steve Fisher let's them play that way. He's had
them for over a year now, and they still play like they 
are on the play grounds. Webber and Howard don't kick
the ball back out when the shot isn't there, Rose still
charges into the lane out of control, and they have
the highest turnover ratio among the top 20 teams. I think
all of those things reflect coaching - poor coaching!

BTW, I am not judging them on one game. I have watched them
like an eagle last season and this season, too bad they
have so much talent....otherwise they wouldn't win.

				Marty

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