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From: ciacovel@telesciences.com (Chris D Iacovelli)
Subject: VI Macros, Or What Is Really Going On Here?
Organization: TeleSciences CO Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:27:44 GMT

Dear VI users,

I have one macro which centers text lines,
 i.e.
map [c :s/^[ ^I]*//^M$maKV{{\q
          ||       ||
          ||       A ^V'ed ^M
          ||
          Not a ^V'ed ESC

I have another macro to stop formatting comments a la c-style,
i.e.
map! */ ^[:so ~/.CCOM.OFF^["ap$s/ ^[A
        ||               ||       ||
        ||               ||       ||
        ||               ||       ||
        ==============|=============
                ^V'ed ESC's


The above macros work fine if they are in seperate .exrc files.
However, when they are incorporated into the same .exrc file they don't
work,
 i.e. when I execute the [c macro the */ macro is called and I get an
      ":input read error".

I believe that the */ of the search string in the [c macro is being
replaced with the contents of the */ map.

Does this mean that during command mode that VI actually is in single
line insert mode, insert into a command line buffer? or am I doing
something wrong in my macro defines?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Please post or email to the address below.

Thanks
Chris.

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Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: ejohnson@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Eric R. Johnson)
Subject: Mouse cognizant vi?
Keywords: mouse vi X
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 14:19:46 GMT

I like vi, so I hope this is not sacrilegous :-)...

Is there a version of vi that will move the cursor to a point
clicked on with a mouse?  Most times it's _great_ to not leave the
home row, but if I resize a window, and want to jump to a new point,
it would be nice to just be able to _go_ there with one click, and 
not a bunch of keystrokes.

Thanks.
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: naras@cda.mrs.umn.edu (B. Narasimhan)
Subject: Re: wordstar on unix
Keywords: wordstar editor
Organization: University of Minnesota - Morris
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:34:33 GMT

There is a wordstar.el for Emacs.

-- 
B. Narasimhan                             naras@cda.mrs.umn.edu
Division of Science and Math.
The University of Minnesota at Morris
Morris, MN 56267
From: jmd@bealfeirste (John Downey)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Paragraph justification in vi?
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:40:44 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: BTL
NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.146.130.230
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

+---------
|
| Bibhas Bhattacharya (bibhas@pico.engr.mun.ca) wrote:
|
| I tried
| map \j !}nroff -e
| I get the justification done and a lot of blank lines at the end of the
| paragraph.
| Is there any better way?
|
| Thanks...
| Bibhas.
| --
|
+---------

Yes.

    :map J !}fmt^M

You have to type ^V^M to get ^M.

The same command works in xvi.

Regards,

John Downey
From: agauld@gssec.bt.co.uk (Alan Gauld)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Re: Looking for a mouse/windows oriented editor for Xwindows
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:32:13 GMT
Organization: BT Glasgow Engineering Centre, Scotland.

In article <168C7C90D.M16302@mwvm.mitre.org>, M16302@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>Have just switched to UNIX and vi and EMACS don't do much for me.  
> Does anyone know of a mouse/windows oriented editor that will run 
> on a SUN or a DEC workstation.  Thanks in advance.
If using a Sun try the Openwindows textedit. Its very simple but some of our
users are quite happy with it. There is also a C specific editor based on
the sunview textedit program (called Cedit?) which I've seen man pages for -
has anyone got this??

We also have a thing called AXE which I believe is PD/freeware and is like a
vastly improved xedit(the X windows freebie not the IBM one) - its a bit
buggy but adequate.

Finally there is a mouse/windows version of EMACS called LEMACS which is
very powerful (but still Emacs :-)


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From: valery@aix6.bgs.com (Valery Kravchenko)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: test
Date: 30 Dec 1992 23:54:54 -0500
Organization: BGS Systems
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: aix6.bgs.com

test
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: M16302@mwvm.mitre.org
Subject: Re: Looking for a mouse/windows oriented editor for Xwindows
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean VA 22102
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:17:49 GMT

Have just switched to UNIX and vi and
EMACS don't do much for me.  Does anyone know of a mouse/windows oriented edito
r that will run on a SUN or a DEC workstation.  Thanks in advance.
ROBERT B. SHAIN                              EMAIL: RSHAIN @MITRE.ORG
THE MITRE CORPORATION                        VOICE: (703)883-5592
CENTER FOR INTELLIGENCE & SPECIAL PROGRAMS   FAX: (703)883-6991
MAILSTOP W955
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Newsgroups: comp.editors,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.lisp.x
From: jbk@world.std.com (Jeffrey B Kane)
Subject: Re: LISP environment for BRIEF?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 13:28:36 GMT

pcolsen@super.org (Peter C Olsen) writes

>Can anyone point me to a set of BRIEF macros that will set up a
>programming environment for LISP?  I'm trying to write some SCHEME
>programs on a PC using BRIEF and I would like to find a language
>package that would match ()'s, indent nested lists, etc.  My goal is
>the lisp support found in GNU-Emacs, but I would gladly settle for the
>PC-Scheme environment, with a little more speed and editing power.

>If there is any interest, I'll summarize my results.

Peter,
 I called Borland (and left messages on their compuserve forum) with absolutely
NO results.  They seem to know very little about the product.  If you do find
out anything, let me know. I've got a laptop I want to use an EMAC style editor
on for writing my LISP code, but I'm about to give up and sell it.
           Jeffrey
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: john@physiol.su.OZ.AU (John Mackin)
Subject: Re: Extension Languages
Organization: Chickenhawk Software
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:44:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.131000.79@dallas.sil.org> titus@dallas.sil.org writes:

> [...] DEC's TPU (Text PRocessing Utility) offers a real nice
> language for implementing editors.  You might want to have a
> look at it, or the third-party implementation nu/TPU.

I don't know about the merits of TPU in the abstract.  I just want to
discourage everyone from using nu/TPU.  It is a real pain in the bottom.
It has very restrictive `oh no, you have pirated me' code built into
it.  Now I have _not_ tried to pirate the damn thing, all I have
tried to do is support it for my users in a distributed computing
environment, and the pirate-detction stuff is very flakey: all
you have to do, just about, is breathe on the environment it's
installed in, and the damn thing decides it's been pirated and
refuses to run any more.  And naturally, they've taken the
security-through-obscurity approach (probably because they
couldn't make it secure any other way), so there's not a
shred of documentation on this stuff to help you figure out
what it was you did `wrong', or how to fix it or avoid
doing it in the future.

Set knows I'm opposed to commercial software in general, but
this sort of thing really needs to be stamped out.  Please
do not buy nu/TPU.

-- 
John Mackin <john@civil.su.oz.au>
Knox's box is a 286.                 Fox in Socks does hacks and tricks
Knox's box is hard to fix.           To fix poor Knox's box for kicks.
From: alekseev@nw.oirtorm.net.kiae.su (V. Alekseev)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: HELP: pictures in ChiWriter
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:37:42 GMT
Organization: KIAE, Moscow

How moving the pictures in ChiWriter in horizontal direction?
I am trying this operation by multiplay pressing on Space, by formatting of 
paragraph (left margin), but in both above cases my picture (*.pcl for 
LaserJet) is missing transferring in the filename.
More of this: the picture (if I don't move it) always placing in the left 
side of page while text has a big left margin.
Can anybody help for me?
From: fuenf@aldebaran.cs.uni-sb.de (Stefan Fuenfrocken)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: VI:  macro-space, access to numeric set-values
Followup-To: comp.editors
Date: 21 Dec 1992 10:41:34 GMT
Organization: University of Saarland (Germany)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aldebaran.cs.uni-sb.de

Hi,

( usual: " i'm new to this group --- apologies for stupid questios ;) )

is there any possibility to free macrospace?
 after modifiing and :so # the .exrc-file a few times a got that "too much macro text" msg
 i fix this by quiting and reentering vi, but this is anoying.
 ( i saw this question in the ced.tips also, but there was no answer )

i want to have a wrapmargin macro which accesses the current value and adds a certain 
value to it. So i can increase the value with each keystroke. 
A much better way to do that would be to "know" the windowsize vi is running in and setting 
wrapmargin appropriately. But then i have to access the window parameter. How do i do that?

please email 

Thanx a lot

 Stefan

-- 

Stefan Fuenfrocken, University of Saarland, FB14 - Prof. Mattern, Im Stadtwald 36,
    W-6600 Saarbruecken, Germany, (+49) 681/302-4576, fuenf@cs.uni-sb.de 
	          +Only skydivers know why birds sing+
Xref: sparky comp.editors:3112 comp.lang.lisp:3145 comp.lang.scheme:2836 comp.lang.lisp.x:285
From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
Newsgroups: comp.editors,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.lisp.x
Subject: Re: LISP environment for BRIEF?
Date: 28 Dec 1992 14:20:00 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu

jbk@world.std.com (Jeffrey B Kane) writes:
>pcolsen@super.org (Peter C Olsen) writes
>>Can anyone point me to a set of BRIEF macros that will set up a
>>programming environment for LISP?  I'm trying to write some SCHEME
>>programs on a PC using BRIEF and I would like to find a language
>>package that would match ()'s, indent nested lists, etc.
>
>I've got a laptop I want to use an EMAC style editor
>on for writing my LISP code, but I'm about to give up and sell it.

If you're looking for paren-flash and auto-indent on a PC, I recommend
JOVE, an emacs-like free editor.  I include it with the PC version of
Berkeley Logo, and the Unix version is what I edit with all the time.
(You can find it on my computer anarres.cs.berkeley.edu by ftp.)  It
doesn't manage to provide an interactive shell window in the DOS version,
although it'll let you spawn a shell that uses the whole screen.  So
it's not quite as nice as running Lisp in an EMACS window.
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: mike@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (Michael New)
Subject: EDT emulator for EMACS
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation, Department of Chemistry,
	Columbia University
Distribution: comp.editors
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:45:35 GMT


Hello all:
	We are converting from a VAXCluster to a cluster of IBM 
RS/6000's.  To ease the migration for some of our users, I would
like to run an EDT emulator in EMACS.  Does anyone know where
I can get it?
		Michael New
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: gotwols@warper.jhuapl.edu (Bruce Gotwols)
Subject: sedt for UNIX
Summary: Can anyone point me to a copy of sedt for unix?
Keywords: sedt editor for unix
Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:43:47 GMT

Can anyone point me to a copy of the sedt editor that will run under UNIX?
(It is mentioned in the FAQ for this group but where to obtain it was not
given there.)
			Thanks, bruce
--
Bruce L. Gotwols
Johns Hopkins University, Applied Physics Lab., Laurel MD 20723
Internet:  gotwols@warper.jhuapl.edu   (128.244.27.2) 
SPAN:      APLSP::STR::GOTWOLS
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: dab@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (david.a.berk)
Subject: Has anyone compiled JOVE under SVR42 Successfully ?
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 22:49:59 GMT

Subject says it all. 

Dave Berk
dab@emdbl1.att.com
Xref: sparky comp.editors:3134 comp.text:1509 comp.text.desktop:516
Newsgroups: comp.editors,comp.text,comp.text.desktop
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 5.1 format - anyone?
From: ab2r@quads.uchicago.edu (Marshall Abrams)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:23:58 GMT
Reply-To: ab2r@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

>Ed de Moel (Demoel@Fwva.Saic.Com) wrote:
>: I'm looking for a description of the internal format that WordPerfect
>: uses for its text-files.

This book might have what you want; I don't know.

	File Format Handbook
	Taylor, Allen
	1992
	$27.95 paperback
	Slawson Communications, Inc.
	175 Vallecitos de Oro
	San Marcos, CA 92069-1436
	800-752-9766
	619-744-2299

Marshall Abrams
ab2r@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: kasajian@netcom.com (Kenneth Kasajian)
Subject: wordstar on unix
Keywords: wordstar editor 
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:05:29 GMT

I don't like vi or emacs.  Is there a wordstar compatible editor
anywhere on unix?  does anyone have the source code to simple full
screen editor that's easy to use like wordstar?  The reason I bring
up wordstar is not because it's world's greatest editor, but because
it prompts you as you do your work and it works with a minimum keyset..
that is, it can work off of a terminal (like on cp/m).

Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: craig@cv.hp.com (Craig Durland)
Subject: Re: Extension Languages
Reply-To: craig@cv.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 21:33:02 GMT

Tim Smith (tzs@carson.u.washington.edu) wrote:
: davis@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu  (John E. Davis) writes:
: >The reason I chose a stack based language is easy:  The parsing stage is
: >simple.  I did not want most of the executable devoted to the language.
: 
: I've been planning on using a stack based language for my editor, too.
: This lets the basic editor (a C editing core, the interpreter, and a
: few important functions written in the stack language) be small and
: efficient.
: 
: Eventually, the plan is to also provide a C compiler that compiles
: from C to the editor language, so that pepole who want to write their
: editor programs in C can do so.  But this will be a separate program,
: so that people who simply want a small and efficient editor don't have
: to carry around the baggage of a C compiler or interpreter.

I've done this and it seems like a big win.  I didn't use C for the
language-to-write-editor-extensions and I don't think you want to - C
is too "low" level for writing extensions in (its great for writing the
editor itself).  Extension writers shouldn't have to worry about memory
allocation and all the other little details that C requires you to.
This doesn't have to take lots of memory - I have garbage collection,
recursion, lists, etc and the total editor size is < 150k (68k Unix).
The extensions run slower than native C code but that doesn't seem to be
much of a problem.

    Craig Durland       (503) 750-3354
    Hewlett-Packard, 1000 NE Circle, Corvallis, OR 97330
    craig@cv.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: hank@netcom.com (Hank Roberts)
Subject: Re: wordstar on unix
Keywords: wordstar editor 
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 04:32:39 GMT

kasajian@netcom.com (Kenneth Kasajian) writes:

>I don't like vi or emacs.  Is there a wordstar compatible editor
>anywhere on unix?  does anyone have the source code to simple full
>screen editor that's easy to use like wordstar?  The reason I bring
>up wordstar is not because it's world's greatest editor, but because
>it prompts you as you do your work and it works with a minimum keyset..
>that is, it can work off of a terminal (like on cp/m).

The 'Joe' editor looks a lot like WordStar and shares some (but not all)
of the key commands.

(If anyone knows how to make Joe a WS clone so my fingers don't have to
learn yet another wp, I'd sure like to know)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: gasman1@netcom.com (David A. Silva)
Subject: Vi for Beginners
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:55:18 GMT


Can anyone email me, or point me to an FTP site, where I can get
"beginner" info on vi? Thanx - David
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: rkoehler@author.gsfc.nasa.gov (BOB KOEHLER)
Subject: Re: How to Run VAX Screen Editor From Sun Workstation
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: CSC System Sciences Division
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 16:12:00 GMT

In article <43989@fibercom.COM>, rrg@rtp.fibercom.com (Rhonda Gaines) writes...
> 
>How can I from my Sun Workstation log into our DEC VAX 4000/200
>(VMS) and run a full screen editor?  The usual scenario, from a
>VT220 terminal, is to type EDT fn.ft which puts me into a screen
>oriented editor.  The same thing from my sun (even with changing my
>terminal type to vt220 before telneting to the VAX) yields a line
>editor.  Any ideas?  Replies to rrg@fibercom.com.
> 
	Rhonda:

	Most likely the VMS system does not know what kind of terminal you 
	have (are emulating) on the Sun.  TELNET does not usually pass this
	information on startup.  A SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE might work (in your
	LOGIN.COM, but check with your system manager, it may already be in
	the system wide SYLOGIN.COM).  If this fails, you can 
	SET TERMINAL/DEVICE=VT200.  EDT has to know what kind of terminal
	you are using, or it will fall back to line mode on the assumption
	you may have a hardcopy type.
From: mike@abekrd.co.uk (Mike Quinn)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: Looking for: zip like editor for non-SGI machines
Date: 24 Dec 92 10:08:40 GMT
Organization: Abekas Video Systems, Reading, UK.

While working with a collegue who uses an SGI Iris, I came across a mouse-
aware editor called zip. You could select, cut & paste using the mouse. You
can move through the file using the scrollbar and file markers appear there
too. The last really nice feature was a history of files edited, so
re-editing a file was point-and-click.

Now I use vi, I'm happy with vi, I don't have three hands all with eight
fingers, so don't suggest Esc-Meta-Control-Alt-Shift. Anyone know of an 
editor like the above zip for X. It doesn't have to be vi-like, I'm not that
religious, I just want to edit lots of files repeatedly, simply and quickly.

Merry Christmas.

Mike.

Mike Quinn.	mike@abekrd.co.uk	...!uunet!mcsun!uknet!abekrd!mike

Abekas Video Systems Ltd.		"All these moments will be lost,
Reading. United Kingdom.		  in time, like tears in rain."
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: john@physiol.su.OZ.AU (John Mackin)
Subject: Re: Sam (was Re: sam and cursor control)
Summary: ANSI C: So What?
Organization: TNS
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 05:45:36 GMT

In article <BzGzGM.1uJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu>,
	ejk@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed Kubaitis - CCSO) writes:

>  o  It is a pleasure to point with a mouse when I notice a typo 40 lines
>     away from '.'. When I have to go back to vi (on systems with no ANSI C
>     and therefore no sam) I find myself unconsciously moving the xterm
>     cursor and clicking and wondering momentarily why nothing happens;-)

I just wanted to make everyone aware that an ANSI C compiler is not needed
to compile sam.  I have had fine results compiling it with non-ANSI
compilers using the wonderful `unproto' preprocessor package by
Wietse Venema (comp.sources.misc, Volume 27, Issues 85 and 86,
with an official patch in Volume 28, Issue 69; also fully patched
by anonymous ftp from ftp.win.tue.nl [131.155.70.100], file
/pub/unix/unproto4.shar.Z).  It's great software and frees us (largely)
from the need for ANSI compilers.  Give it a try.

I'd hate to see anyone put off from trying out sam merely because
they thought they couldn't compile it.

-- 
John Mackin <john@civil.su.oz.au>
Knox's box is a 286.                 Fox in Socks does hacks and tricks
Knox's box is hard to fix.           To fix poor Knox's box for kicks.
From: stephen@memex.co.uk (Stephen Marley)
Newsgroups: comp.editors
Subject: VI initialisation question
Keywords: vi, EXINIT, rsh
Date: 21 Dec 92 14:42:50 GMT
Organization: Memex Information Systems Ltd., East Kilbride, Scotland
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Hello,

I currently have my preferences for vi set using EXINIT.  This is great
so long as I am logged in under my own account.  However, there are
several other user-accounts that I and some of my colleagues use on a
regular basis, eg. editor, support, tester, for which I would like to
set my own vi preferences without affecting my colleagues' vi
sessions.

I know if I do a `su tester', for example,  that my EXINIT will be
exported into the su'ed shell and any vi's started will use this.
(This is why I don't use .exrc).  Alas, I don't use `su' anymore
because I got fed-up typing passwords in all the time; instead I use
lines (in my .openwin-menu) like:

    exec rsh `hostname` -l tester "xterm -n Tester -display $DISPLAY"

I don't need to type a password for this since I have user-equivalence
courtesy of a mention in .rhosts.  However my EXINIT is not exported
using this method and I get frustrated and confused in my unfamiliar vi
environment :-(sulk).

Does anybody have any ideas?  In case you need the info, I use tcsh and
all the other accounts are either tcsh or plain csh. 

Thanks for your time.
-- 
Stephen Marley
Memex Information Systems Ltd., East Kilbride, G75 0YN, Scotland, UK. 
stephen@memex.co.uk	  Tel: (03552) 33804     Fax: (03552) 39676
Newsgroups: comp.editors
From: rohit@NeoSoft.com (Rohit Mehrotra)
Subject: Re: Looking for a mouse/windows oriented editor for Xwindows
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 05:25:41 GMT

In article <168C7C90D.M16302@mwvm.mitre.org> M16302@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>Have just switched to UNIX and vi and
>EMACS don't do much for me.  Does anyone know of a mouse/windows oriented edito
>r that will run on a SUN or a DEC workstation.  Thanks in advance.
>ROBERT B. SHAIN                              EMAIL: RSHAIN @MITRE.ORG
>THE MITRE CORPORATION                        VOICE: (703)883-5592
>CENTER FOR INTELLIGENCE & SPECIAL PROGRAMS   FAX: (703)883-6991
>MAILSTOP W955
>7525 COLSHIRE DRIVE                    "MY OTHER COMPUTER IS A CRAY"
>MCLEAN, VA. 22102                      "MY OTHER CAR IS A BIKE"

You may want to have a look at Crisp3.0.

-- 
Rohit Mehrotra
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