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From: eric@chemeng.ed.ac.uk (Eric S Fraga)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Psion S3 SSDs - RAM v FLASH
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:31:04 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Chemical Engineering Department
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Lionel Tun (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk) wrote:

: Hhhmm. I have now heard two negative things about flash.
: One is that it is slower, the other is that it drains the
: batteries more than ram.

really?  i would have expected that a RAM disk would have drained the battery
faster than a Flash SSD disk.  Can somebody confirm either belief?  I am
about to buy one or the other and although RAM appeals for ease of use, the
price difference leads me to lean to the Flash type...

eric
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From: toin@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Toin Bloo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: PSION 3 VIEWS, OR OTH
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:26:40 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
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agross@inode.com wrote:
: How did you get a 'trial period' for your Psion?  Also, what's a good 
: price for one of these.  What language(s) does one use for programming for 
: them?

Why don't you ask me for the DOS-PC emulator package? THE way to check if
you like working with the S3. (well, all text are in Dutch, but thats no
problem for getting an idea of the system).


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From: bes38869@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Bard Duelak   )
Subject: Repost: New HP95LX for sale
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:30:57 GMT

	I have three, new, in the box, never been used HP 95LX's 
 with 1Mb ram, plus the Connectivity packs from HP for the PC
 for sale.  Like I said, they are brand new, and still have the
 factory warranty.
	EduCalc sells the 95 for $589 and the Connectivity
 pack for $79.95.  I just want to get rid of these, and am
 selling the HP95LX's with the packs for $540 each.
 If interested, please E-mail me at bes38869@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu .

 -  Blair
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From: tsar.Princeton.EDU!fuchs (Ira H. Fuchs)
Subject: APL on HP95?
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:57:38 GMT

Has anyone succeeded in getting APL (any flavor but best would be IBM's  
APL2) to run on the HP95 complete with the APL font? I have J and it works  
just fine but I'm not sure if I am up to learning another "write-only"  
language.
From: rrd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ray Depew)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:53:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Repost: New HP95LX for sale
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops

In comp.sys.palmtops, bes38869@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (The Bard Duelak   ) writes:

> 	Great story, huh?
> 
> --  Blair

Well, at least they still have the manuals with them.

(nudge nudge wink wink)

-- Ray

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From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen
Subject: Re: HELP: Need Newton/HP95 help
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:44:12 GMT
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

In article <1993Jan26.184851.4814@netcom.com> cew@netcom.com (Clayton Weimer) writes:
>mjones@eos.ncsu.edu (@large(Are you Object-Oriented?)) writes:
>
>>Apple has a name for itself and has a sucessful marketing company
>>(Yes, being number 2 in the personal computer market should be
>>considered sucessful.)  ...
>>Apple is selling a consumer electronics product, not a computer.
>
>There is a contradiction here.  Also, AT&T is backing EO with
>full steam, therefore, EO should be more successful (using your
>arguments) because of  AT&T's consumer marketing channels and
>strengths, right?

>>Unless EO uses the same ploy, it will be stuck in the same niche that
>>Amiga is right now (in America that is) as a toy for the computer nerds.
>
>The EO Personal Communicator, the first in line of many based on the Hobbit
>architecture, is not just more than a toy, but is real, has a real OS built from
>the ground up for this kind of market,  which has a very open ISV program.

Not only that, ATT and GO have been very clever to find a strong need and vertical
application market surrounding cellular/fax technologies.  By hitting on the
document markup aspect they get revenues, market share, profile, and breathing 
space while they continue to tackle the HW recognition challange.  Apple has 
been left in the dust on this one (but they'll catch up).

-- Chris Metcalfe
From: dcf@flatline.sbi.com (Doug Finke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Programming function keys on the 95
Date: 25 Jan 93 17:49:55 GMT
Reply-To: dcf@flatline.sbi.com
Organization: Salomon Inc


	I'm using Visual Basic for DOS on my PC to develop stuff for 
the 95, I was wondering where there is a write up for programming the function 
keys.  Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
From: jew@venus.sunquest.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: .5M 95lx Serial Backup Problems
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:03:44 GMT
Organization: Sunquest Information Systems


          I have been toying with this idea and will present
          it  for your  consideration.   Do you  suppose you
          could  use several programs  that process standard
          I/O to back up a palmtop?  I.e.:

          tar -cf . | compress | kermit -is -> kermit -ir >t

          (tar  and compress being  MKS Toolkit utilities or
          equivalents)

          Can  anyone think  of a good  reason this wouldn't
          work?   I  have thought about  it and  read up far
          enough  on it to see that all commands involved do
          STDIO.  What do you think?
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From: brianw@iat.holonet.net (Brian Walsh)
Subject: BBS hours change
Organization: HoloNet
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:57:39 GMT

Effective immediately, hours of operation of my bulletin board system shall
change to 10pm to 7am CST daily, instead of 11pm to 8am.  Please note that
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I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all of you great folks from the
Chicago area and from all over the US and Canada who have logged on to see
what the BBS has to offer, for calling back to continue enjoying the board,
and for sharing what you can with fellow users of HP handhelds and palmtops.

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Subject: Re: HELP: Need Newton/HP95 help
From: nohl@milori.ccit.arizona.edu (LYONS, NOHL)
Date: 27 Jan 1993 19:20 MST  
 <1993Jan23.180633.7505@ncsu.edu> <1993Jan26.184851.4814@netcom.com>
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan26.184851.4814@netcom.com>, cew@netcom.com (Clayton Weimer) writes...
>mjones@eos.ncsu.edu (@large(Are you Object-Oriented?)) writes:
> 
> 
>   Obvion     
>   cew@netcom.com

Unless I am quite mistaken you are over Apples and oranges (EO's).
If I understand Apple's propaganda, Newton will only be able to use programs
which are loaded on a PCMCIA cards.  You can't attach it to a keybard, and
it has been criticized as being a very expensive competitor to the Casio 
B.O.S.S.  The point being that many of the tradional paripherals found with
a computer system are notable absent.  Even Apple's propaganda treats the
newton like a glorified notebook/personal information manager(PIM).
Just because it can crunch numbers real fast, doesn't make it a "personal"
computer. 

I have a VCR that can be programmed, some might argue that it's a computer,
but its really a consumer electronic product.  It's a product for the 
computer illiterate (not me I just can't spell).

EO on the otherhand is a computer with a hard disk, modem ports, and an
operating system.  It loads programs into memory (fairly subtly, but more
obviously than Newton). According to EO's propaganda (which I devoured today),
their products are personal communication tool (Any computer that comes with a
cellular modem option has got to be a communication tool).  

EO's are slated to run 2 to 3 times as much as Newtons (out of the box).  
But the people using them are going to already know that they need the power
of the computer.  Newton owners may very well be a bunch of ignorant
folks who enjoy Doug Henning Magic shows (Thank you).

>: By the way, I'm not a fan of Macs, PCs or any such thing. Give me an
>: Archimedes of NeXT anyday.
>:
>Me too, as it happens.

Personally I like my Mac and don't have the slightest clue
as to what an Archimedes of NeXT is.

My $0.02,
Nohl Lyons
Nohl@ccit.arizona.edu


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From: cew@netcom.com (Clayton Weimer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.sys.pen
Subject: Re: HELP: Need Newton/HP95 help
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:48:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

mjones@eos.ncsu.edu (@large(Are you Object-Oriented?)) writes:

>Apple has a name for itself and has a sucessful marketing company
>(Yes, being number 2 in the personal computer market should be
>considered sucessful.)  ...
>Apple is selling a consumer electronics product, not a computer.

There is a contradiction here.  Also, AT&T is backing EO with
full steam, therefore, EO should be more successful (using your
arguments) because of  AT&T's consumer marketing channels and
strengths, right?

>the #1 technical product is usually not the best seller.

Yes, the EO has the disadvantage of not only be #1 technically, but it
also exists.

> Apple is selling a consumer electronics product, not a computer.

What the heck is a consumer electronics product anyway?  If a
computer is usable and affordable then why do we need this
distinction?

>It's like a calculator or scheduler. The only difference is that the
>sell of Newton can lead to other sells of software and interfaces
>to other computers.

But this is not much of a difference than what personal computers were
supposed to be.  Anyway, a Personal Comunicator (that's "PCs for
the rest of the rest of us") like EO's is the same idea, but much more
real.

>The fact that we think apple is full of crap shows that their marketing
>ploy is working.

There marketing ploy is working, but that's not why many of us think
they're full of crap.  A cardboard box in a jewlry case at the last Comdex
many, many months after a product announcement (yes, it wasn't really a
product announcement) might have something to do with it.  The other reason
is they are doing very little to attract independent software developers.

>Unless EO uses the same ploy, it will be stuck in the same niche that
>Amiga is right now (in America that is) as a toy for the computer nerds.

The EO Personal Communicator, the first in line of many based on the Hobbit
architecture, is not just more than a toy, but is real, has a real OS built from
the ground up for this kind of market,  which has a very open ISV program.


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From: jonin@netcom.com (Daniel Joseph Oak)
Subject: Re: 80x24(25) display program
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:54:27 GMT

Well - is that the address to get a copy? and if so - how much will it
cost? :)
if it cannot be found on internet - is it pd or shareware? and if so - where
could we get a copy?
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From: bmaraldo@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Commander Brett Maraldo)
Subject: 512k 95lx Backup Blues Again
Organization: Unit 36 Research, UofWaterloo
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:55:02 GMT


	Someone posted an article explaining how they had successfully run
pkzip on their .5M 95 to do a backup.  They suggested that perhaps the
archiver I transfered to my 95 was corrupted.  I attempted to transfer it
to my 95 again and I got the same results - memory overflow.  I do not
beleive that the .exe files were corrupted as they execute with no arguments
resulting in the usual help screen.  The archivers I tried were lharc.exe
and zip.exe (from zip19x) both from eddie.mit.edu.  I can not find a
pkzip.exe... where is it?  Any ideas why my 95 is reacting this way?  

brett 

ps.  I have tried a number of different system/disk memory ratios.  None work.
at one point I ran chkdsk and found that I had 130k of system ram and 60k
of disk ram... shouldn't this be enought?  perhaps zip19 and lharc require
more and pkzip doesn't?


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From: rdb@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert D. Benedict)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Psion 3 Views, or other machine recomme
Date: 26 Jan 1993 12:28:28 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: rdb@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert D. Benedict)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rob@firefox.uk.sun.com (Rob Latham - Sun Logistics Europe) says:

>>I don't know what they cost in the USA, but I bought mine here in England
>>for 169 pounds.  Whatever you do, make sure you get the 256k model, NOT
>>the 128k.
>
>Is this the price of the 256k model ?
>
>The best price I've found for the 256K model is 249, where should I be looking ?
>
>Robert.
>


Excuse my ignorance but what is the exchange rate. I am comparing
prices for the Psion but I usually see UK responses in pounds. How much 
in US dollars.
Thanks,
  	Robert

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From: williams@nssdcs.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Williams)
Subject: Re: Whats the smallest (readable) 24x80
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Maryland
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:07:56 GMT

[Apologies if you see this twice.  It doesn't seem to have gotten out
 the first time.]

In article <1993Jan20.030014.9216@crl.com> jc@crl.com (Jim Couch) writes:
>Subject line says it all. The hp95 looks like it would
>be awfully crammed to squeze in 24x80. Is there anything 
>between the smallest full size laptop and the hp which
>would be both small and readable?

"Readable 24x80" is a matter of some opinion.  Others have posted
articles here describing highly squeeed text (*three* pixels/character
wide!)  that manages to get an 80x24/25 display onto the hp95.
Personally, I just can't read it.  My own minimum is a 5x7 character
in a 6x8 cell (just what the hp95 uses).  Thus, you would need at
least a 480x200 display to get 80x25 characters.  The old, standard,
CGA display, at 640x200 was able to do slightly better by using an 8x8
cell.  An 8x10 or 8x12 cell makes underlining much nicer and keeps the
descenders on one line from touching the tops of tall letters below.
This happens on the hp95 a lot.  I don't know of any machine with a
display that is significantly better than the hp95 (in terms of size),
but is still not a full CGA.  I personally wouldn't bother with
anything less than CGA if you really want 80x25 text screens.
Machines like the ZEOS use CGA and the screen on that is quite
readable, although I think the hp95 screen is better.
 
If I was going to cram the maximum text onto an hp95 screen, I'd use a
carefully crafted, san serif variable width font, with each character
as narrow as possible, while still having a unique bit pattern.  I
even considered how this could be done "adaptively".  Rather than
having a width table for each font, you take each character in turn
and create a mask that is the bitwise OR of all the rows.  The
leftmost and rightmost 1's in this mask will give you the left and
right most pixels in that character.  You only have to do this once
per character.  The mask, combined with some bit-shifting, can be used
to render the character onto the screen so that it comes right up
against the previous character, with just a single pixel between them.
Even more elaborate algorithms can save pixels via kerning.  But I
suspect the horsepower needed for any of this adaptive stuff would
make text rendering too slow.  I may try it at some point...

Jim
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From: montrose@projtech.com (Rod Montrose)
Subject: Re: Zeos: -- program to turn on/off RS-232 ???
Organization: Project Technology, Inc.
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 07:04:43 GMT

There is a program, but you can only get it from the Zeos BBS
(612) 633-0549. I was told no to post it anywhere else, the
author wants it only on the Zeos BBS. It does work pretty good.
If you find a copy of Microsoft's POWER.EXE power control utility
you can change the power modes (Standard or Advanced) from the
command line and never have to get into RacePen.

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From: mvolo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Michael R. Volow)
Subject: Psion 3 keyboard typable?
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:48:36 GMT


How easily can one touchtype on the keyboard of the Psion 3?
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From: lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: S3: Shall I get 1M RAM or 2M FLASH?
Date: 26 Jan 93 13:50:23 GMT
Organization: City University, London

I mentioned some theoretical pros and cons of RAM vs FLASH SSD's earlier.
But I may now actually have the choice between 1M RAM and 2M FLASH. What
opinions/experiences do people have?

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From: <KCHAN@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops
Subject: Re: Psion 3 Views, or other machine recomme
 <727385337snz@chrism.demon.co.uk> <1k3apcINNkeq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

In article <1k3apcINNkeq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, rdb@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert D.
Benedict) says:
>
>
>Excuse my ignorance but what is the exchange rate. I am comparing
>prices for the Psion but I usually see UK responses in pounds. How much
>in US dollars.

Current exchange rate is about $1.52 to the pound.

Cheapest US mail order price that I have seen is $399.95 for the 256K
model with the built-in spreadsheet. This is from J&R Computer World
(aka J&R Music World) in New York. UPS shipping is 5% of order cost.
Their phone number is 800-221-8180.

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From: pete@cirrus.com (Pete Carpenter)
Subject: Re: ZEOS Pocket PC review
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.  Fremont, California
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:13:45 GMT

In article <56911@sunquest.UUCP> jew@venus.sunquest.com writes:
>
>             As far as additional storage goes, I am planning to wait for
>             the solid state disks from SunDisk.  They said they plan to
>             release them for the ZEOS next month.
>
>             What are others strategy for PCMCIA storage?  Do you buy as
>             big as you can afford and try to stick everything on it, or
>             by multiple small cards and install various applications on
>             each card?
>--
>jew@sunquest.com

I've got two 1 MB RAM cards. One (B:) has PERL, plus the 20 or so 
most useful (IMHO) commands from the MKS toolkit (their licsense 
allows installation on multiple machines, as long as only one is 
in use at a time).

The other card (A:) has user data, files, and some network stuff. 
I expect to keep the binaries on B. But when 2MB cards come down 
in $$$, I'll probably put /bin and the network stuff on one of them, 
and use the two 1MBs for apps and data. 

Do you know if SunDisk will be writeable on the ZEOS or read-only ?

I'm still having some problems getting Beame & Whiteside NFS to work
on the ZEOS with the SOLECTEK pocket LAN adapter. The program BWSHOW
says there is -2000 Kbytes of extended(expanded?) RAM. Yes, negative.
This may be because the ZEOS doesn't do memory mapping, or because the
files were installed on a different machine and then copied. (free demo)
Interlink lets you mount another machine's floppy to the ZEOS via the 
serial port at 115.2 Kbps.  But there isn't enough space on a 1 MB card 
for the installation script to continue. 

I too would like to know if there is a program to turn the serial port
on and off - doing it through the menu is a pain. As far as the built in
software is concerned, the utility menu (serial port & interserver) is 
the only stuff I've used. 

-- 
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