Organisation: European Space Operation Centre (E.S.O.C)
Date: Friday, 6 Nov 1992 17:17:27 CET
From: <STESMITH@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: English Soccer

In article <1992Nov5.134636.11412@fwi.uva.nl>, bronstri@fwi.uva.nl (Mischa
Bronstring) says:
>
>Hello!
>
>We think English soccer #%$%#@$%s.

You're entitled to your opinion obviously.

>Explanations: English teams don't know anything about tactics.

Is this suppose to be a justification for the above opinion ??

>But, the English posters on this group always pretend as if their soccer
>is world-class! So much fuss about nothing...
>

No, this is not true. English posters do not ALWAYS pretend their football
is world-class. There are a few 'EXPERTS' (read: TV IDIOTS) who like to
think this and a few others who believe it.

>We mean, Blackburn Rovers on top of the league... A promovendus...
>And then the way they are on top: far too many draws and losses for a real
>top team.

Blackburn Rovers current league record:
       P   W   D   L   F    A    Pts
      14   7   6   1   24   9    27

Far too many losses! (Only if you're a Rovers fan :-) )

Here in Holland, for example, a team will never be first after
>that many rounds with that many lost points! PSV here is first in the
>league, but they're still chased by Ajax, Feyenoord and FC Twente, even
>while they've only lost 2 points in 10 matches now!
>

All this shows is that Holland has a 'two-tier' league much the same
as Scotland ... (queue the comments about 'Best Team in Britain' :-) )
ie there are two/three/four teams in the league much better than the
rest. Or put another way, the teams in the English Premier League are
much more of the same level (what this level is, is another question ...
queue more comments about 'Best Team in Britain' )

>You see it again in the European Cup-tournaments: Only Glasgow Rangers
>(allright, it's Scottish) plays further, and we think it's only because
>they've played Leeds Utd. If they'd played against a continental team
>(well, not Austrian, Swiss, Norwegian, or something like that) they'd
>been kicked out, we're sure!
>

Oh yes, you're sure !!  Nothing is sure in football  ... that's what
helps make soccer interesting. If you could predict the results, what
would be the point of football (apart from making large sums of money :-)

>Conclusion: There are no real top-teams in England! It's a 'unity-
>sausage', as we use to say in Dutch. You sure feel what that means!
>

Well, from the current League situation
               P    W    D    L    Pts
 12 Leeds      14   4    6    4     18
 13 Sheff Wed  14   4    5    5     17
 14 Liverpool  14   4    4    6     16

the teams which were playing in the European competitions were not the
top-teams in England - they are in the bottom half of the league !! So
you're conclusion lacks any logic !

>As an end of this posting two things:
>
>- We'd like our theory proven (e.g. PSV gets into the same poule as
>  Rangers),

And what would this PROVE about English football, pray tell !

>- We'd like to give you all a tip: DREAM ON!!!
>

Why, is this what they do in Holland ?

>
>PS: We do like your ambiance!
>

Thank you, don't mention it.

>Greetings,
>
>Sidney vd Poll     (Ajax-fan, vdpoll@fwi.uva.nl)
>Mischa Bronstring  (PSV-fan, bronstri@fwi.uva.nl)
>

- Steve -