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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Subject: That the conditions of ethnic Turks are deplorable.
Date: 30 Aug 92 21:22:01 GMT





<Btv3Gn.GMI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

>>That is the result of watching 'igc.terror' movie so much. The governments 
>>of Greece cannot camouflage an elaborate governmental and administrative 
>>system of racial discrimination and harassment against the Turks living 
>>in that country. 

> What? Haven't you read the above coment? You call that: Elaborate system of
> racial discrimination?

And, it is enough.

Dr. Sadik Ahmet:

"We want guarantee for Turkish minority's equal rights. We want Greek
government to accept the Turkish minority and grant us our civil rights.
Our people are waiting since 25 years to get driving licenses. The Greek
government is not granting building permits to Turks for renovating
our buildings or building new ones. If your name is Turkish, you are
not hired to the government offices."

"Furthermore, we want Greek government to give us equal opportunity
in business. They do not grant licenses so we can participate in the
economic life of Greece. In my case, they denied me a medical license
necessary for practicing surgery in Greek hospitals despite the fact
that I have finished a Greek medical school and followed all the
necessary steps in my career."

"We want freedom of expression for ethnic Turks. We are not allowed
to call ourselves Turks. I myself have been subject of a number of
law suits and even have been imprisoned just because I called myself
a Turk."

"We also want Greek government to provide freedom of religion."

In separate interview with The Turkish Times, Dr. Sadik Ahmet stated
that the conditions of ethnic Turks are deplorable and in the eyes of
Greek laws, ethnic Greeks are more equal than ethnic Turks. As an example,
he said there are about 20,000 telephone subscribers in Selanik (Thessaloniki)
and only about 800 of them are Turks. That is not because Turks do not
want to have telephone services at their home and businesses. He said
that Greek government changed the election law just to keep him out
of the parliament as an independent representative and they stated
this fact openly to him. While there is no minimum qualification
requirement for parties in terms of receiving at least 3% of the votes,
they imposed this requirement for the independent parties, including
the Turkish candidates.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: karabulu@cae.wisc.edu (Hasan Karabulut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: 23 Agustos /yorum  -2-
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:39:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Aug29.183938.26272
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

Zaman / 23 Agustos 1992

   MUSTAFA OZCAN                   

   Saraybosna Cocuklari

(devamla)

           ETNiK MUBADELE

     Buyuk Sirbistan meydana getirilmek icin bas- 
latilan  "etnik temizlik" kampanyasi cercevesin-
de bir milyon kadar Musluman ve Hirvat yerle- 
rinden yurtlarindan edilmis vaziyette. Temizlen- 
mis koridor Belgrad'dan Hirvatistan siniri ya-
kinindaki Bihac sehrine kadar 200 millik bir
mesafeyi  kapsiyor.  Buna  mukabil  Bosna-
Hersek Sirplarinin Lideri (Aslinda kendisi Sirp
degil Karadagli bir canavar) yeni cevherler
yumurtluyor. Time dergisinde (24 Agustos
1982) yeralan beyanatinda Bosna'da yasanan
katliamin bir etnik temizlik degil mubadele
(ethnic shifting) oldugu gorusunu ileri suru-
yor. Sozumona halki koruyormus.  "Avrupa'yi
Islami cihad tayfindan kurtariyoruz." diyor.
Polis Sefi Drjaca ise 'Bu bir sivil savas degil
din savasidir " diyor israrla.
 
     Ali Izzetbegovic'i fundamentalist bir devlet
kurmaya tesebbusle sucluyorlar. Hirvatistan'in,
eli kanli cumhurbaskani Franjo Tudjman,
Bosna-Hersek Cumhuriyeti topraklari uzerinde  
uluslararasi camianin kabul edemeyecagi turden-
bir islam  devleti kurulmasi yolunda egilimler ol-
dugunu iddia ediyor. The Daily  Telegraph   
gazetesi Hirvatistan Cumhurbaskaninin bu tavriyla
daha once ayni yonde konusan Sirplarin gorusunu
yansittigini  belirtirken,  "Tudjman'da
Bosna-Hersek'in kacinilmaz olarak parcalana-
cagina inaniyor ve bu cumhuriyetin toprak-
larindan pay alabilmek icin, Sirplarin ardin-
dan siraya giriyor " ifadesini kullaniyor. Usta-
se kahntisi Tudjman Bati'ya bu tur, gerceklere ay-
kiri masajlar vererek Bosna'yi Sirplarla paylas-
mak istiyor. Sirplar, Ali Izzebtegovic'in; 1970
yilinda yazmis oldugu  "Islam Deklarasyonu"
isimli eserinin Islam devleti kurmak istedigine bir
delil teskil ettigini ileri suruyorlar. Yale Univer-
sitesi'nden Hirvat asilli ilim adami Ivo Banac
eserde oyle bir temanin bulunmadigini ongo-
ruyor.  Bunlarin yaninda ehl-i insaf Batililar da
var. Sozgelimi Strobe Talbott. Yazar ornekleriyle
Bosna-Hersek'in ikinci bir Vietman olmadigini ve
olmayacagini ortaya koyuyor. Hanoi'nin soguk
savasin merkezi durumunda oldugunu bugun
ise Sirplarin Ruslar tarafindan bile desteklenme-
digini (tam ve acik olarak) ve Milosevic'in izole
oldugunu hatirlatiyor. Sirplarin vatan olarak 
Buyuk Sirbistan'i tasavur ettiklerini, bunun da Hir-
vat, Arnavut, Macar, Makedon ve Bosnaklari et-
nik tamizlige maruz kalmakla ikinci sinif vatan-
das olarak yasama tercihiyle karsi karsiya birak-
tigini belirtiyor.
  Sirbistan emperyalizmi Belgrad'da tezgahlaniyor.
Islami devlet meselesi ise karsi propagandadan
ibaret. Sonuc olarak, ABD'nin Bosna'nin
butunlugu konusunda verdigi soze sadik kalma-
sini bekliyoruz. ABD'nin sadakat mahalli olma-
digini da bilerek...

---/.
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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: 'Yutan' Goes To 'Berlin:' Armenian-Nazi Cooperation.
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:21:10 GMT





<EDVAX.92Aug27225735@pyrite.usenet>
edvax@pyrite.SOM.CWRU.edu (Weyland Yutani Ltd)

>>   Just say so, 'ya-ak yutan.' During the First World War and the ensuing 
>>   years - 1914-1920, the Armenian Dictatorship through a premeditated 
>>   and systematic genocide, tried to complete its centuries-old policy of 
>>   annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering 
>>   2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from their 1,000 year 
>>   homeland.

>[yak, yak, yak]

What else is new? From my personal experience, I have found out 
that some of the most fanatical supporters of Armenian terrorists
and revisionists are very dedicated ignorant 'cheerleaders.'
As a 'wieneramus,' you should be more concerned with the genocide
and death toll of innocent Turks and Kurds than of those Armenian
terrorists who used unprovoked aggression to invade, rape and pillage 
a neighbor.

Any comment?

 Source: "Mitteilungsblatt, Berlin, December 1939, Nr. 2 and 5-6"

 Yet another historical fact: a fact that for years has been deliberately 
 forgotten, concealed, and wiped from memory - the fact of Armenian-Nazi 
 collaboration.

 A magazine called Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft
 is the clearest and most definite proof of this collaboration. The 
 magazine was first published in Berlin in 1938 during Nazi rule of Germany
 and continued publication until the end of 1944. Even the name of the
 magazine, which implies a declaration of Armenian-Nazi cooperation,
 is attention-getting.

 This magazine, every issue of which proves the collaboration, is historically
 important as documentary evidence. It is a heap of writing that should be
 an admonition to world opinion and to all mankind. Every issue embroiders
 the themes of enmity towards Turkey and towards Turks.

 In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and certain
 political, economic, and social rights were thus granted to them. They 
 occupied positions in public service and were partners in Nazi practices.
 The whole world of course knows what awaited those who were not considered 
 "Aryan" and what befell them.

Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: The Evidence Suggests That...
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:21:24 GMT





<1992Aug18.001549.15570@noao.edu>
muller@noao.edu (Beatrice Muller)

>I tried that but the mail bounces!

The evidence suggests that 'anadolu.michigan.com' cannot receive 'junk.'


Hasan B-) Mutlu

                     'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them 
                      and in whatever circumstances you find them. 
                      Turkish children also should be killed as 
                      they form a danger to the Armenian nation.' 
                                     (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)


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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Austrian Sources on the Armenian Genocide of the Turkish people.
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:42:34 GMT





<visser.715450241@convex.convex.com>
visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)

>	Its nice to see all the egg-crossers in one place, when are you going
>to change the battteries.  

They got jumper cables.

Source: Documents: Volume I (1919).
        "Document No: 76," Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer 
        No: 3, File No: 346, Section No: 427(1385), Contents No: 3, 52-53.
        (To Lt. Colonel Seyfi, General Headquarters, Second Section, 
        Istanbul - Dr. Stephan Eshnanie)

'Neues Wiener Tagblatt' - Vienna, 'Pester Lloyd' 'Local Anzliger' - Berlin,
'Algemeen Handelsblat' - Amsterdam, 'Vakit' - Istanbul.

"I have been closely following for two weeks the withdrawal of Russians and
 Armenians from Turkish territories through Armenia. Although two months
 have elapsed since the clearing of the territories of Armenian gangs, I
 have been observing the evidence of the cruelties of the Armenians at 
 almost every step. All the villages from Trabzon to Erzincan and from
 Erzincan to Erzurum are destroyed. Corpses of Turks brutally and cruelly
 slain are everywhere. According to accounts by those who were able to
 save their lives by escaping to mountains, the first horrible and fearful
 events begun when the Russian forces evacuated the places which were then
 taken over by Armenian gangs. The Russians usually treated the people 
 well, but the people feared the intervention of the Armenians. Once these
 places had been taken over by the Armenians, however, the massacres begun.
 They clearly announced their intention of clearing what they called the
 Armenian and Kurdish land from the Turks and thus, solve the nationality
 problem. Today I had the opportunity to meet Austrian and German soldiers
 who had escaped from Russian prison camps and come from Kars and
 Alexander Paul (Gumru-Leninakan)...

 They had told me how Armenian gangs murdered 360 Turkish prisoners of war
 in Kars and Alexanderpolis. Russian officers tried to save the Turks and
 there were clashes between Russian officers and Armenian gangs. I am now
 in Erzurum, and what I see is terrible. Almost the whole city is destroyed.
 The smell of the corpses still fills the air. Although there are speculations
 that Armenian gangs murdered Austrian and German prisoners as well, I
 could not get the supporting evidence in this regard, but there is proof
 of murdering of Turkish prisoners of war."

                                                     Dr. Stephan Eshnanie

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David)
Subject: Re: A Frame Of 'Palikarya' Mind: Greek Anti-Semitism.
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:13:35 GMT

In article <2315@itexjct.jct.ac.il> warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein) writes:
>What on earth is a 'palikarya'?  If it's some sort of insult, I'm not
>calling anyone this, just asking what it means.

'Palikari' (Palikaria in plural) means brave man. It's supposed to be a praise,
not an insult.

Regards,
Theodore David

Washington University
e-mail : tpd1@cec1.wustl.edu
	 tpd1@cec2.wustl.edu

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* * * * * * * *   CYPRUS IN THE EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY  * * * * * * * * 
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From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: That the conditions of ethnic Turks are deplorable.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 03:37:00 GMT

sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

><Btv3Gn.GMI@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
>ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )

>>>That is the result of watching 'igc.terror' movie so much. The governments 
>>>of Greece cannot camouflage an elaborate governmental and administrative 
>>>system of racial discrimination and harassment against the Turks living 
>>>in that country. 

>> (Mr. Argic has removed my comments, and just gives the following:)

>> What? Haven't you read the above coment? You call that: Elaborate system of
>> racial discrimination?

  Affraid to re-post my previous comment? The Argo-malak propaganda isn't
  that good.

>And, it is enough.

>Dr. Sadik Ahmet:
^^^^
 Wrong. Just Mr.
 Update your files.  Your propaganda is very slow. I have corrected you
 several times. Read once my answers. Jeesh, has the Turkish CIA tried much
 to find so stupid persons?

> (It follows a text which I have answered in the past.) 

 Thus, I'm not answering again.

>Serdar Argic


-- 
---> Panos Tamamidis
     University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: Re: Lets stop illegal posts of Hallamian The Crook.
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:45:21 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

><1992Sep1.133858.28903@dscomsf.desy.de>
>hallam@zeus02.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)


>|>Source: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian
>|>armies in 1914, "History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume
>|>II: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975)."
>|>(London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316.

>>Nice try, Cambridge University Press prints out of Cambridge though, not 
>>London. You are caught lying again.

Didn't you know that Mutlu had hauled Cambridge Uni all the way to London?
He's a strong boy is Mutlu......came 5th in the Olympics weightlifting y'know.

Dave

[ Big .signature deleted]

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Professors and Multu(s) in the pay of the turkish government
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:30:06 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <9208271657.A7817ze@anadolu.michigan.com> han@anadolu.michigan.com (hasan.b.mutlu) writes:





><visser.714930805@convex.convex.com>
>visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)

+>>	'Multu' or Cosar or whoever is playing Multu this time should
+>>know that the basic document regulating Turkish-Greek relations
+>>is the Turkish deed to Eastern Turkopoly (so-called Greece).  Turks need
+>>no "equality" with slaves and dogs like these false greeks.  

+>No kidding. Here's the way it works, 'Visser.'

	Down to one line, "weinemaus, sometimes-Cosar, sometimes Turk,
	deserter of the turkish homeland.  When your through playing
	with your batteries, perhaps you will address the points raised.




Source: Professor Stanford J. Shaw, 'How to get rich being a western professor
	in the pay of the Turkish goverment," New York University Press, 
	Istambul (1991)

	"It may seem difficult at first to believe that you as a professor
at a University make so little money and face such a hard road in getting
support for your area of intrest from outside your university.

	Fear not, the way to financial health and prestige is open to
you.  The way is through the Turkish embassy and all that is required of
you is to throw western nonsense like "objectivity" and "honesty" out
the window and into the dirt where they belong.

	You will learn that the Turkish govornment is very generous toward
those who write correct history.  And you will also learn that respectability
in university circles has little to do with the material published, it has
to do with the amount of money you can raise.

	Turks are a master race and are not typically suited toward thinking
and writing.  This is mostly becase the business that turks are typically
involved in is the control/rule of slaves which is far more difficult than
the decidant western arts of thinking or writing.

	Therefore the turkish ruling class, being so superior, hires inferior
people (like western professors) to do thier thinking for them.

	Turks are best suited towards copying articles written for them 
by others.  And futhermore, good turks never put their names on material
they distribute.  A typical westerner would think that this is cowardness, 
but the modern turk knows that using false names is part of turkish culture
in the same way that slaves are.


			"What is this rabble calling itself Greeks,
			 They are no more Greeks than the buzzards in
			 the sky are.  These people are slaves....our
			 slaves and if they wish to fight, it shall
			 end in rivers of blood flowing from them"

					(Mustafa Hamas - 1822)



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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Subject: That Armenians had to bootlick Nazi masters goes without saying.
Date: 1 Sep 92 23:40:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: zuma.9209022012.A2158cn





<visser.715445313@convex.convex.com>
visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)

>	[Multu style articles with Multu's sources]

Well, I'll not waste words.

"These European Dashnags, with headquarters in Berlin, appealed to,
 and bargained with Hitler's emissaries for an 'independent'
 Armenian state. That they had to bootlick Nazi masters goes without
 saying. That, as potential officials of a puppet Nazi state, they
 would have assumed the infamous roles of the Paveliches, Antonescus,
 Lavals, Tisos or Vidkun Quislings was also a foregone conclusion.
 Once committed to it, there was no alternative to the price for
 'independence' except subservience to Hitler."[1]

[1] Arthur Derounian under the pseudonym 'John Roy Carlson,'
    "The Armenian Displaced Persons," in the "Armenian Affairs,"
    a Quarterly Journal of Armenian Studies, Winter 1949-50, p. 18.


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,news.admin
From: cza@troy.uucp (22141-akgun)
Subject: Re: Hasan Mutlu
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Navesink, NJ
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 16:42:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.034946.23143@tygra.Michigan.COM> root@tygra.Michigan.COM (Charlie Root) writes:
>Our site fed anadolu, the site from which Hasan Mutlu posts. As of this
>time, because we are in a temporary location without adequate phone lines
>the feed to anadolu and our other downstream sites are suspended. I don't
>know what route he is using to get out his messages to the net, but it 
>is not through our site. His use of the name "anadolu.MICHIGAN.COM" is a
>temporary misnomer, although it isn't permanently terminated.


Does the usage of  name "anadolu.MICHIGAN.COM" constitutes any forgery 
or crime by HBM who continues to post while the MICHIGAN site is 
temporarly out of service?  What is forged here?  Since a person pays 
a fee, he/she gets the right of usuing the domain name for a period of 
time on a rental basis. Does the usuage of the site resources become a 
mendatory obligation to use the domain identifier in the postings?
Thing is clear when one tries to use a domain identifier which is not 
exist or without paying a right to use fee.  However, I can understant 
the problem in reaching that person if the site is not available on a 
temporary basis via e-mail using the legitimate identifier as address.
However, using the exact path shown in the posting should take the 
reply to the originator, should it not?  If not and a person's 
interaction with a network becomes one-way temporarily,  what are 
the legal complications or impropriety?  Basically, I am
asking the case that having a legitimate address to post by other 
means (not from the site) because of the site owner's temporary 
arrangements.  If you can shed light on this issue as an sysadmin, 
a lot of misunderstanding on what is forgery and what is not would 
be clear.

[...]

>
>Thank you for your attention.
>John Palmer
>POSTMASTER
>Michigan.COM
>jp@michigan.com 

C. Akgun
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