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From: xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Garfinkel & Mahoney book.  For 2.1?
Date: 16 Oct 1992 16:34:44 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4


[Suggestions about whether or not to buy the book edited out.]

Has the book been released yet?
Thanks,
-- 

		-Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)
From: tim@rri.UUCP (Tim Buck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: HiddenWords, sndMucker, and artillery...
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:07:03 GMT
Organization: Recognition Research Inc., Blacksburg, VA

In article <1992Oct7.125957.12258@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes:
>
>These three were recently posted to nova/sonata as .tar.Z files.  However,  
>when I try to uncompress them, it seems to go for awhile, make a file  
>about 5-6 megs big, then die for some strange (unpredictable) error.  Has  
>anyone else had any problems uncompressing these files?  Any idea what is  
>going wrong for me?
>
It sounds to me like you forgot to use BINARY when you FTPed them.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: mahoney@csulb.edu (Mike Mahoney)
Subject: Re: Garfinkel & Mahoney book.  For 2.1?
Reply-To: mahoney@csulb.edu (Mike Mahoney)
Organization: Cal State Long Beach
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 00:19:01 GMT

In article <STATMAN.92Oct16092025@marlin.stat.ufl.edu>  writes:
> Hello,
> 	I am very interested in the new book by G&M.  The previous info
> about it said that it had been ***** with OS 3.0.  What is the ***?  Has
> it been completely revised?  Made compatible?  I.e.  if I have only 2.1
> will the book still be as amazing for me as if I'd had 3.0.  Is it
> clearly marked 'valid for 2.x' and 'valid for 3.0' like NeXTAnswers?  I
> want to buy the book, but if it's not going to be useful enough for me
> now, I'll wait until I get 3.0 (half a year? :-( ).  
> 
> 	Any suggestions?  Thank you in advance.
> 
> charles d. kincaid
> statman@stat.ufl.edu
> --
> charles d. kincaid		STATS:  (904) 392-1941
> statman@stat.ufl.edu		CIRCA:  (904) 392-2007
> 'Damn fine coffee...and hot, too!'
> 


YES, the book is valid for both 2.1 and 3.0 (which made writing parts of the  
book a pain).  The bundled floppy also contains both the 2.1 and 3.0 source  
code for the programs in the book.  The publisher tells me the book will be  
bound in mid-November and on the shelves shortly after that.  We completed it  
weeks ago.  You can call 1-800-SPRINGER for details.

 
- Mike Mahoney
  SCaN President and SCaNeWS co-editor
  Southern California NeXTSTEP Users' Group

  also ...
  Professor and Chair
  Computer Engineering and Computer Science Dept
  California State University, Long Beach
  Long Beach, CA  90840-8302

  mahoney@csulb.edu  (NeXTmail capable)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re: swapfile & swapfile.front & IB
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:50:15 GMT

In article <1asfr0INN3cv@uwm.edu> xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet)  
writes:
> 
> HI,
> 	I recently installed 3.0 on my station and have a few
> questions.  When I noticed that my HD size was slowly going up and
> down, I decided to look what files kept changing.  When I looked in
> /private/vm I noticed that there where two swapfiles, swapfile and
> swapfile.front.  What is the difference between the two?  I thought
> that on 2.1 there was only one.
> 	Also, howcom IB seems to be so slow.  When I was resizing a
> View it seemed to take forever, serious slow down.  Why would this
> happen?  The same actions on 2.1 worked wonderfully.
> -- 
> 
> 		-Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)

According to most folks here, you are seeing things! Just think how much more  
it's doing for you, now, and you'll feel better!  :-)

Jim

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From: jcl@yonext.apl.washington.edu (James C. Luby)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: 17" color monitor cable pinout info.
Date: 8 Oct 92 16:08:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct8.160838.7685
Reply-To: jcl@yonext.apl.washington.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Washington

I have a broken 17" NeXT color monitor and want to see if I can get a color TV  
shop to repair it.  I need to find out what the monitor cable pin assignments  
are and would appreciate any info. in this regard.  Thanks!

					Jim Luby
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andrew@cubetech.com
Subject: Re: right now
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:15:02 GMT

In article <Bw3I6E.IqJ@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>andrew@cubetech.com writes
>> NeXTSTEP sure does come with a word-processor!  It's called Edit.
>
>The inability of Edit (even with RTF) to do footnotes, page numbering, headers
>and footers makes Edit most unusable as a word processor.  It's a nice text  
>editor for code and informal letters, but it's certainly no replacement for  
>even the simplest of modern word processors.  Also, NeXTs inoperative spell  
>checker and lack of integrated thesaurus work against Edit being anything more
>than a fancy code editor.
>
>I wonder if this is part of a unbundling plan or part of a plan to make the  
>common denominator something NeXT can do as well (the majority of modern  
>computers can read and write ASCII at the very least).

Really though, I don't find it even slightly unreasonable for NeXT to
"require" that go out and purchase a third-party word-processor.  Why
don't you just go out and buy WordPerfect, or even WriteNow?


andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com     | "We shall not cease from exploration
Andrew Loewenstern      |  And the end of our exploring
Cube Technologies, Inc. |  Will be to arrive where we started
                        |  And know the place for the first time." -T.S. Eliot
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: lupson@newton.geom.umn.edu (Linus Upson)
Subject: Re: Another modest proposal for NeXT
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:59:34 GMT

In article <HARDY.92Oct11185311@golem.ps.uci.edu> hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu  
(Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)) writes:
> Since we keep discovering nice new hidden features in NS 3.0 (such as
> the Decompress and Unarchive features, discussed recently in this
> group), features which may or may not be documented in the full
> release  notes (if one can access them), it would be nice if someone 
> at NeXT who knows them all would publish a simple list, 
> posting it here and to the Archives. If such a listing exists, could
> someone point us to it. 
> Thanks in advance!

There are many cool and wonderful things in 3.0 that have gone unmentioned in  
comp.sys.next.*.  To find out what they are try looking through the following:

/NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/ReleaseNotes/*
Everyone should read every file in here.  Lots of Good Stuff(tm).

/NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/Concepts/ObjectiveC.rtfd
You thought you read this one already?  Wrong.  It has very important sections  
on protocols and Distributed Objects.  Great Stuff.

/NextLibrary/Documentation/NextDev/GeneralRef/09_MachKit/*
Unfortunately not mentioned in the Release Notes.  I only discovered it from a  
reference to the NXLock class in .../GeneralRef/06_DistributedObjects (also  
very good).

/usr/lib/NextStep/* (esp. the .tiffs)
Does anyone know how to get a list of the names of all the system bitmaps in  
/usr/lib/NextStep/Resources/Shared(Color|Gray)[Alpha].tiff?
(ala +findImagedNamed:)  The docs on system bitmaps only cover a small fraction  
of the images here.  BTW, I disagree with several other posters that the new  
icons are ugly (with the exception of IB and PB).  Use the Workspace finder to  
select and open all the .tiffs under /usr/lib/NextStep.  Way Cool.

The Documentation for 3.0 is far superior to previous releases.  It could  
always improve, however.  Having the User's Guide online, and sitting on the  
File Viewer shelf so people take the hint and read it, would be one such  
improvement.  Another deficiency will be remedied when Addison Wesley publishes  
the hard copy version of the docs (that way I can take a copy of them with me  
to the bathroom ;-).  All in all, a thumbs up on the 3.0 documentation.

Spend a day browsing the new online docs.  It will save you at least that much  
time down the road.

Linus Upson
lupson@geom.umn.edu
From: matt%mattcube@mcnc.org (Matthew M. Stecker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: _nextstep_ television show!
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:38:47 GMT
Reply-To: matt%mattcube@mcnc.org
Organization: UNC School of Law, CC for NeXT Computer, Inc.

In article <26165@oasys.dt.navy.mil> curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)  
writes:

> Trademark.  As far as I know, all you have to do to get a trademark status
> is to use it commercially.  If you what to get it registered (so you can
> put the r in a circle after your trademark, then you have to fill out some
> paperwork.
> 
> And the only protection you get is that other companies in the same business
> can't use the same trademark. (i.e. that can't do something that would make
> thier customers think they were buying your product.)  The name of a T.V.
> show would never be confused with a computer operating system, so there
> is no problem with them using the nextstep name.
> 
> Curt Welch

	This is starting to get off of the c.s.n train, but I'd like to point  
out that the trademark question at issue here is not as simple as Curt makes it  
out to be. Courts, in evaluating claims of trademark infringement also look to  
the likelihood that the public as a whole will assume an affiliation that does  
not exist.  For example, don't think for one minute that just because the name  
of a soda product could not be confused with an television show, that the show  
could call itself "The Coca Cola Show".  People seeing that name would assume  
some affiliation with the Coca Cola soft drink company, and such a use would  
almost certainly be actionable by Coca Cola.  There exists a littany of case  
law in which large companies have enjoined such dissimilar uses of their  
trademarks (Tiffany, Rolex, Rolls Royce, Coke, Disney, etc.)

	 Now it is true that the NeXT trademark is not quite as strong in the  
minds of the consuming public as the CocaCola TM, but NeXT is a high technology  
product, and the show is about high-technology.  It could at least be argued  
that a consumer looking in the TV listings and seeing the name 'nextstep' on a  
TV show might think that the show was somehow affiliated with NeXT. There is  
probably no reason that NeXT would want to go after and enjoin this use, and no  
clear indication that they would win, but they would certainly have a shot.

	matt


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NeXT Campus Consultant,		|	There are many like it,
UNC School of Law		|	but this one is mine.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: roth@feline.cs.wisc.edu (Bill Roth)
Subject: Human resources address
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 13:44:59 GMT


Could someone send me the address and phone # of human resources at NeXT?

Thanks.
-- 

-------------------------------------------------------------------
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Internet: roth@cs.wisc.edu. BITNET: ROTH@WISCPSL. HEPNET: PSL::ROTH
From: kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Kurhajetz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NeXT+FrameMaker Query
Date: 16 Oct 92 12:26:23 GMT
Reply-To: kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Robert Kurhajetz)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

hello - this is a quick one -


We are checking with other users to find out if anyone out there has had
experience with the NeXT and FrameMaker - and to get a general idea if
the combination has worked successfully in your environment.  We at this
time have NeXTs' in our offices and we trying to get responses from other
with regard to FrameMaker before adding into our production areas.


PS   We also use macs and sgi iris'



Thanks Much        Bob Kurhajetz
			USN CDNSWC
			CODE 341
			Bethesda,MD
			e-mail kurhajet@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward)
Subject: Re: Found this by accident...
Reply-To: soward@slow.inslab.uky.edu (John Soward)
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:54:46 GMT

Michael Pizolato writes
-> I just dragged a file off my shelf (just to clear the slot), and I  
accidentally  released it over a Terminal window.  I expected it to disappear  
from the shelf, but instead it's full path name appeared on the Terminal  
window's command line!  I'm running 3.0, and on a 2.x machine the file just  
slid back to FileViewer.  Works for any file dragged to a terminal window from  
FileViewer's shelf or icon path.  A small thing, but pretty cool.

Yeah, it's documented...Stuart will let you do it also...and the new stuart has  
preferences to control the action...

Another thing I found, which may or may not be documented, is that you can drag  
things into the open and save panels...e.g. drag a directory Icon into one and  
it will jump to that directory....

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: eps!uunet (Steven Kornreich)
Subject: Archive-Servers
Reply-To: steve@eps.com
Organization: EPS
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:45:17 GMT

Where is the best place to obtain the names of Archive-Servers?
we do not have a direct internet connect,  we use uunet!.

let me know


steve@eps.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: gaia@wam.umd.edu (L. Anathea Brooks)
Subject: Recycler Stiff?
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:45:39 GMT


Has anyone else noticed with dismay that the recycler is no longer animated
under 3.0? Doesn't "cycle".


Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Keywords: 


Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: matthews@ecfa.jsc.nasa.gov (Michael C. Matthews)
Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
Reply-To: matthews@ial7.jsc.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA/JSC Engineering Computation Facility
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:29:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.190630.26539@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> audley@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Christopher D Audley) writes:
>Why not just use PostScript.  Authors of documentation can use any word
>processing/page layout program they want and save it as PostScript.  Its
>not like people are typically going to want to be able to modify documentation
>they receive.  The original author can retain the document in whatever format
>he wishes for latter modification.  
>
>Every NeXTstep program has the ability to create PostScript files and every
>NeXT can read them.  Why does there seem to be resistence to using it as the
>standard format of documentation?

1) PostScript is difficult to search.

2) PostScript is difficult to view, even on a NeXT... Have you ever
actually tried to read a long PS document in Preview?  Or worse, tried
to read Page 50 of a 60-page document?  It's a nightmare.  Maybe it's
better in 3.0 (I haven't seen it yet), but in 2.1 you had to page
forward, wait for the page to image, and then page forward again, ad
nauseum.  And that's if you KNOW which page you want to read!

3) Has anybody used Digital Librarian with PostScript files?  I
thought I remembered seeing something about postscript in the indexing
filters, but I've never attempted to index .ps files.  I can't imagine
it's very pleasant...

When I want to read on-line documentation, I want to read *the document*,
not a *picture* of the document.

My vote is for rtfd.  It images quickly, is searchable, and is well
supported by most NeXT software.  Maybe somebody can write a smart
print filter that can add headers, footers, and page breaks for an
rtfd document...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: piro@bnlux1.bnl.gov (SdlS)
Subject: NeXT CD ROMs why bother???
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 00:27:58 GMT


What I dont understand all this fuss about delays.  What is delayed,
the shipping of drives or
the shipping of the media? Logic says only the first, isnt it?

Then why don't you guys go and buy a cheap PC CD-ROM around the corner?
A friend of mine did that in Argentina, 10000 miles away from the
nearest NeXT representative, and got it working in 5 minutes after
changing the scsi id and a few more parameters.

Is there anything special about the next drives? (appart from being
black I mean).

Just curious.

Ores.
From: dillon@overload.Berkeley.CA.US (Matthew Dillon)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re:  Recovering ROM monitor password
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:58:41 PST
Organization: Not an Organization

>In article <1992Oct8.025357.9551@cube.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
>>In article <1ask66INN2ga@ustores.ustores.missouri.edu>
>
>I would NEVER put the battery in backwards!  If they have a protection diode,
>it will do nothing.  If not, you run the risk of damaging the clock chip, or of
>exploding caps or even (remotely) blowing the battery seals!

    If the battery is connected directly to the RTC chip then you are
    definitely forward biasing the static discharge diodes internal to the
    device, about 50 ohms per pin (in parallel) if you reverse the battery.
    This would destroy the RTC chip rather quickly.

    if there is a protection diode across the batterly leads (and not
    inline) to protect the RTC chip, the battery will be shorted and can,
    literally, explode.

    On the otherhand, if NeXT has inserted a diode in series with the
    battery, then nothing will happen at all because the diode will be
    reverse biased.

    I don't know what RTC chip the NeXT is using.  Most RTC chips, like the
    ones from Dallas Semiconductor, draw picoamps (on the order of 300pA or
    less).  Therefore, the bypass capacitors alone would be able to retain
    enough voltage to run the RTC for several minutes.	The best solution
    is to take out the battery and short the battery terminals on the
    motherboard together for a second or two to discharge the bypass
    capacitors.

    NOTE:  I HAVE NOT TRIED THIS MYSELF but it's certainly safer then
    putting the battery in backwards!

					-Matt

>> --
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>(cc:Mail)
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>
>Jim
>
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>Hand Held Products, Inc.| not necessarily those of Hand
>804.784.3090 voice	 | Held Products, Inc., and may not
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:44:19 GMT

In article <y&#@byu.edu> yackd@alaska.et.byu.edu (Don Yacktman) writes:
> They can be stored compressed, but then you don't have
> access to the info inside.  (What would be great, though, is to set things
> up so that a ".psZ" file would be zcatted into Preview...hmmm...)

Uh, doesn't anyone use Opener anymore?  Clicking on a
ps.Z works fine on my machine.  If it doesn't on yours, you
really should install Opener.  Saves me tons of time (but I
spend a lot of time looking at compressed tar files and
documents) every day. 

ab
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andrewd@tamsun.tamu.edu (Andrew T Duchowski)
Subject: detex, troff problem: SUMMARY
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 16:21:05 GMT

Recently, I asked why troff and detex weren't working on my 3.0
system.  Here is the summary:

1. for troff, you need a typesetter, which it is assumed most people
don't have.  To view man pages that haven't been installed:
a) install the man page under /usr/man/man1 (or /usr/man/manx,
x=whatever you find appropriate).  The file should be named file.x
corresponding to manx.
b) use nroff instead of troff, ie. nroff -man file.1 | more.  You can
also use ptroff to get postscript output.  You can man these two
commands to find out the full syntax and info.

2. detex, makeindex, and a bunch of other TeX utilities may be
(currently) found on sonata.cc.purdue.edu under /pub/next/submissions.
The file is called TeXutil.tar.Z.  I've uncompiled it under my 3.0
system, and it appears to work fine.  I've run detex and it seems
to work (although I haven't run it from TeXmenu to try spell checking
files).  Some people also suggested compiling the source with 
the -traditional or -fwriteable_strings (or -writable_strings, I forget
the exact name of this flag, since I ended up not using it) in order
to get rid of the bus error that I experienced under 2.0.  If I
misspelled the flags, they should be noted in the cc man page.

Also, if you use TeX (latex), you may want to check out some other
useful apps on the archives such as: TeXfig, TeXice.  These let you
use formulas (or conceivably any tex input) as an image to cut and
paste into other documents.  For example, $x^2 + y^2 = z^2$ shows
up in a display window in TeXfig, and you can cut and paste the 
typeset formula into a document.

Thanks to all who helped me out with this!  I'm starting to use 
tex more (now that I'm getting more familiar with it -- sitting with
latex book on my lap) and I like the environment that NeXT provides
for creation of latex documents.

-Andrew
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re: How Slow is NeXTSTEP 3.0 w/ 8 megs ram?
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 00:44:38 GMT

In article <2131@deadmin.ucsd.edu> bense@heart3.ucsd.edu (Booker C. Bense)  
writes:
> - I have both an '030 with 12meg and an '040 slab with 20meg. 
> One thing I have found that greatly improves the speed of both
> machines under 3.0 is to :
> 
> a.) Backup up everything and reload the disk from scratch. 
> 
> 
> b.) Use the following when booting 
> 
> Next> bsd sdmach nbuf=64
> 
> or whatever suites your fancy, the default number of system buffers is
> 16. Using the nbuf keyword GREATLY improves the ablility of 3.0 to do
> context switching. It's like going from an 8meg slab to a 20 meg slab.
> 
> - Some people have reported using as high a number as 1000. I use 64
> since the rom will only remember 12 chars. I tried 99 for a while,
> but there was no noticable difference between 64 and 99. 

You can say "sd- nbu=128" for three digits of buffer!

> 
> - Booker C. Bense               "News, News, It's long, It's ASCII?,  
> prefered: benseb@grumpy.sdsc.edu   It's Wood. News, News, It's better
> NeXT Mail: benseb@next.sdsc.edu      than bad, It's Good!"  Ren&Stimpy

Jim

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804.784.3090 voice      | Held Products, Inc., and may not 
804.784.3147 FAX        | even be mine. Use at your own risk