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From: quirke_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Credibility and Trueness
Date: 29 Jan 93 09:44:17 NZST
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ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:

> Psychology denies the existance of free will because its very
> existance is incompatible with the concept.  Once you recognize
> that human beings have free will, you can explain any human
> behavior with one simple explanation: he chose to do it.  All
> the ids, egos, superegos, hobgoblins, and supernatural forces
> that fill psychology books become superfluous.  (And the writers
> of those books lose their source of income.)

   Ed, don't be an idiot. Psychology centres around the question of *WHY*
someone chooses what they do, and psychiatry attempts to help them modify
their choices to more healthy ones.
   Yes, we have free will. But unless you're saying that the human mind is
a unitary entity with homogenous desires at all levels, then you have to 
agree that we can have conflicting urges, the choice between which is vital.
   To put it simply: If part of me wants to rape an attractive female, and
part of me wants to run because she reminds me of my mother, neither of these
is a particularly good activity, despite the fact that I have the free will to
choose either.

-- 
Tony Quirke, Wellington, New Zealand (Quirke_A@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz)
"Only the free have disposition to be truthful.
 Only the truthful have the interest to be just.
 Only the just possess the willpower to be free." - WH Auden.
From: dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Favorite Groups
Date: 28 Jan 93 15:40:33 GMT
Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman (BBN)
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In article <thurlow.728193011@convex.convex.com> thurlow@convex.com (Robert Thurlow) writes:
>In <1993Jan25.193436.15478@netcom.com> desiree@netcom.com (dmc) writes:
>
>Wow.  I want to give this a high mark, because *nobody* ever sucks
>up to me (whimper, whine, sob :-)  Can someone other than the Russian
>judge send me the rating privately so I can calibrate my meter?
>

Hey!  I sucked up to you not a month ago.  You mean you didn't even 
notice?  

Dawn (the has-been net.goddess)
-- 
"You have this adorable and misguided notion that death is something really
radical and cool but I still can't help being attracted to your fresh-faced
uncompromised tatoo-ed rebel stance and god damn, I'd like to help you
sing your tune."  "Folk Song..." by Bongwater
From: blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON.)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Steve Martin no longer in vogue?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 08:14:04 GMT
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In article <1993Jan27.211836.1115@ast.saic.com> dobbs@ast.saic.com (Lynn Dobbs) writes:
>I want to know where people are getting all these rat's asses from.  Maybe
>we have a new business idea here.  Some little plastic rat's all that 
>people to hand out if they don't care about something!

Actually I was at a pinball convention back in June where they were handing
out little plastic rats for charity. You stuck your entry form for the drawing
in the, well, rats ass, and they put all the rats into a big drum for the
drawing. Was an interesting touch :)
r.
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From:         Cliff Manis <cmanis@CSOFTEC.CSF.COM>
Organization: CompSofTech, POB 33937, San Antonio, Texas 78265-3937
Subject:      Re: Clinton's Inaugural Address
Comments: To: Tom Cunningham Computer Science Department <TPC@grove.iup.edu>,
          Genealogy Information <ROOTS-L@VM1.NoDak.EDU>

Tom and readers:

Reference part of this message:
> From grove.iup.edu!TPC Sun Jan 24 14:57:12 1993
>
> Do you know where I can get a copy of Clinton's Inaugural Address?
>

Subject:      !!!New Clinton Posting
Project Gutenberg has made eight corrections to yesterday's posting of
Clinton's Inaugural Address.

ftp mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
login anonymous
password yourname@your.machine
cd etext/etext93
get clinton2.txt
quit

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Subject:      Re: Pest house
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Lest we become confused over the medical term "Typhus", let me please clarify
a bit.

Epidemic typhus is also called European, classic or louse-born typhus, or
jail fever.  The source of epidemic typhus is a small, gram-negative,
pleomorphic organism, Rickettsia prowazekii.  Transmission to humans is
through the feces of the human body louse, which enter the human body through
a wound or the mucous membranes of the eyes or mouth.  Humans are the natural
reservoir of this disease.  The lice become infected on febrile patients and
transmit the illness to susceptible people.  Epidemic typhus occurs
world-wide, but is more common in cool climates and in areas with poor
hygiene and louse infestation.  Historically, epidemic typhus IS associated
with war and famine, however that would not be the only circumstances where
one might find patients ill with this disease.  Without more comprehensive
circumstantial knowledge of time, place and person for Haverhill, Mass., it
would not be wise to immediately rule out louse-borne typhus as a possible
epidemic disease during the late 1600's.  Epidemic typhus hasn't occurred in
the United States since 1921.  Mortality may reach 60% in patients older than
age 60, and 10% in patients between ages 10 and 30.  The Germans had good
reason to fear epidemic typhus, given the mortality rates attributed to it.
It's seldom fatal in children younger than 10.  Death is usually due to renal
failure during the second week of illness.  With treatment, prognosis is
excellent.

Endemic typhus, also called murine, rat, or flea typhus, is a milder form
caused by Rickettsia typhi (formerly Rickettsia mooseri).  Unlike epidemic
typhus, endemic typhus infects animals, especially rats and mice.  It is
transmitted to humans by the bites of infected fleas or lice, or by
inhalation of contaminated flea feces.  Also unlike epidemic typhus, endemic
typhus does still occur in the United States, although fewer than 50 cases
are reported annually.  Mortality averages about 2% but is higher in patients
over age 50.

Endemic typhus produces a fever, rash, headache, cough, and muscle aches, but
these symptoms are less severe than in epidemic typhus.  Diagnosis and
treatment methods are the same as for epidemic typhus.

A vaccine is not available for endemic typhus, but rat control can prevent
it.  These days, endemic typhus should be reported to the local public health
authorities.

There is an effective vaccine for epidemic typhus.

Susan Arday
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From: daoffer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Debora Offer)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: President Andrew Johnson's Genealogy Question
Date: 27 Jan 93 15:35:32
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In-reply-to: daoffer@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu's message of 27 Jan 93 10:19:16


Oops!  Looks like I was exposing my ignorance again!  You
know, I just realized that I can't name a single president 
between Abraham Lincoln and Woodrow Wilson Smith.  (Except for
Andrew Johnson :-))

Researching: Gallant(Canada/MA) Michalka(TX) Mueck(Austria/TX) Oehler(TX) Offer(TX) 
             Steeves/Stief(Germany/Canada/MA)
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From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Daniel Fuller MA>NY>MI
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:05:17 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <01GTX12FC1FM8WW6WU@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> CHINN@VUCTRVAX.BITNET writes:
>Looking for information on the following:
>
>     Daniel Fuller was born in 1782 in Massachusetts.  Daniel
>Fuller married (Sus)Anna Ames.  The children of Daniel and
>(Sus)Anna (Ames) Fuller, numbering 13, were born (except
>Caroline) in New York.  Anna (Ames) Fuller died in 1863.  Daniel
>Fuller then married the widow of a blacksmith a year or so later.
>Daniel Fuller died in 1867 in Michigan.  Church affiliation -
>Quaker?

Ames and Fuller are "Classic" Massachusetts names: 11 genealogies for
the first and 17 for the second on Melvyl (with a little duplication)

This one might have some general interest:

11.
Author: Hawkes, Nathan Mortimer, 1843-
Title:  John Fuller of Lynn, a genealogical study : an attempt to prove
that the tracing and recording of genealogical lines of
descent may be of interest in local historical research /
Nathan Mortimer Hawkes, May 14, 1914. [Lynn, Mass.? : Lynn
Historical Society?, 1914]
Description:    39 p., [7] leaves of plates (1 folded) : ill., facsim.,
map,
port.

Series: Genealogy & local history ; G3878.

Doc Numbers:    Stock No.:      CL0086000018 University Microfilms
International

Notes:  "Reprinted from the Register of the Society, Volume XVIII."
Running title: Lynn Historical Society.
Includes bibliographical references.
Microfiche. Ann Arbor, Mich. : University Microfilms
International, 1989. 1 microfiche ; 11 x 15 cm.

Subjects:       Fuller family.
Fuller, John, d. 1666.

Other entries: Lynn Historical Society.

Call numbers:   CSL     Sutro   MICRO- FICHE G3 G3878


(I have sent the others E-Mail)
Tom
From: chris.colebank@sonoma.edu (Chris Colebank)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: How to find someone
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:17:19 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University
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In article <1993Jan25.133210.3932@nic.csu.net> Chris Colebank,
chris.colebank@sonoma.edu writes:
>>>not even sure where to start but I told my family I would try. 

Many thanks to the people who have offered advice and assistance.
I will update my info:
    I am attempting this research for my mother who was asked by my
Great Aunt to see if she could find any information about Wilbur Arthur
Boyle. My grandmother opposes the idea, (sister to the Aunt involved).
     My Great Aunt lost custody of her child for a year and the person who
was granted custody never appeared for the hearing a year later, (still in
the early '30s).  Now that I have more information I will get more precise
with my details.  I think that my mother didn't think she might succeed.
    The town was Red Bluff, Ca, not Redding as I had previously stated. 
Redding and Red Bluff are two No. Calif communities 13 miles apart.
     To the person who called me today:  I am going to get a birthdate to
check.  I am sorry I was so brief today but you happened to call while I
was in the middle of a software installation on one of our networking
computers.  Frankly, I was a little surprised (shocked?).  I am trying to
get
this info for the people involved if they want it.  I am also attempting
to
protect their privacy if they would rather have it that way.  It's not
easy
to do both.
                           Thanks again,
                                    chris.colebank@sonoma.edu
From: chris.colebank@sonoma.edu (Chris Colebank)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: How to find someone
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:37:34 GMT
Organization: Sonoma State University
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     I am trying to find some information about a family member who
disappeared around 1933 at the age of three (He was taken in a family
dispute of an earlier generation).  He may or may not still be alive.  I
am
not even sure where to start but I told my family I would try.  Does
anyone
out there have any ideas?

              chris.colebank@sonoma.edu
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Date:         Wed, 27 Jan 1993 13:11:00 CST
Reply-To:     Bill Page <WRP5404@TAMRIGEL.BITNET>
From:         Bill Page <WRP5404@TAMRIGEL.BITNET>
Subject:      Hinkle/Henkle Family

I took a quick look at the register to the Andrew Johnson Papers
on microfilm.  It shows that one letter from a "S.S. Henkle" to
Andrew Johnson was microfilmed; it was dated 28 Oct. 1866; was 8
pages long and includes a note "with docket."

There's an entry in the register for "J. Stuart Hanckel" which
says "see Spartanburg SC Citizens".

There's an entry for John W. Hinkle, letter to Andrew Johnson,
dated 31 July 1866, 2 pages long.

There's an entry for Samuel Hinkle saying "see Lincoln County
Tenn".

These papers have been microfilmed by the Library of Congress and
your local library should be able to get you copies very easily.
The Johnson papers are also being published in book form, with a
complete name index.  If you haven't see a copy of those books,
you should search a set out.

I'm sorry, but I'm completely snowed under right now and just
don't have time to look at these records.

Bill Page
208 Dellwood
Bryan, Texas 77801
From: LYNN.OLIVIER@f108.n282.z1.tdkt.kksys.com (LYNN OLIVIER)
Sender: FredGate@tdkt.kksys.com
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: OSSEN in Long Beach CA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 04:54:00 -0600

Reply to: Lynn.Olivier@tdkt.kksys.com

Can anyone help me in Long Beach?

I just received a card from my Dad's first cousin in Nebraska that
another cousin who she has written since she was a child, they are in
their seventies, has not responded to her letters since last Christamas.
The cousin who is not responding is a retired librarian and was
interested and very helpful with our Norwegian family research. Is there
an association of retired librarians or perhaps someone have a passing
aquaintance with her in the Long Beach Ca area?

Her name is Miss Virginia OSSEN oldest daughter of Charles and
Bertha (GAUT) Ossen. Chas died in Long Beach in 1969. Virginia had two
brothers, deceased. Albert OSSEN. I have a note that he may
have had a daughter in GA Starr Ingrid CHAPMAN. The other brother was
Larry. There is only one grandson who is the last OSSEN namesake in the
family. I thought the cousin in Neb had this information but she says
she never thought to write it down.

We very much would like to resume correspondence with anyone in this
Long Beach Family family. Other cousins are in Denver CO, San
Fernando CA, Portland OR, Everett WA, Scarville, Leland and
Ridgeway IA (PETERSON, FOSSE), Warren OH and here in MN in Lyon,
Murray and Cottonwood Cos and the Twin Cities, but no others with the
OSSEN name. Any help would be greatly appreciated. This family
origianted in the Leikanger area of Sogne Norway and emigrated to Big
Canoe  Winnesheik Co IA in 1868.

Many Thanks,
Lynn Olivier also on FidoGen and FidoEuroGen

 * SLMR 2.1a * OSEN*FOSSE*BERDAHL*TVEITEN*AFET*DAHLE*BORLAUG*SAETRELIEN

 * SLMR 2.1a * SCOTT*BOWEN*ADAMS*RADAR*STEBLER*LUDDEN*DUMBEK*AVERY*SEARS
From: 6175190@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Tiny Tafel Matching Services
Date: 27 Jan 93 20:55:32 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.

Just wanted to say thanks for those of you who are running Tiny Tafel
Matching Services. I submitted my TT several months ago and am still
getting an occasional match; just got one today.

These are like bonus contacts without the work!!! ;-)

As soon as I get my data in order, I'll be posting an update.

Thanks again,
Diane
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:56:10 PST
Reply-To:     Tom Lincoln <lincoln@IRIS.RAND.ORG>
From:         Tom Lincoln <lincoln@IRIS.RAND.ORG>
Organization: RAND
Subject:      Re: "DOSS"
Comments: To: Roots-L@vm1.nodak.edu

Melvyl says:

Intriguing title!

1.
Author: Doss, Helen Grigsby.
Title:  The family nobody wanted. [1st ed.] Boston, Little, Brown [1954]
Description:    267 p. 21 cm.

Subjects:       Doss, Carl M.

Call numbers:   UCLA    URL     CT 275 D737D74
CRL     GenCollec B-32580
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Date:         Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:26:41 EST
Reply-To:     rmbairns@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
From:         rmbairns@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Valladarez family
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I am trying to locate the family of Carmen Valladarez who was living
in St. Louis at Wagner Ave. in 1920.  Her mother was a well-known opera singer
 who went by the name of Doloros Bazan and her father was a violinist.  Carmen
was born in Santander and would probably be in her 80s today.   I have tried
tracking her down through biographical sources under her mother's name, but
have had no luck.  I have a letter she wrote in 1920 and would very much like
to send it to her family.  Please reply to rmbairns@athena.mit.edu
Randy Bairnsfather
From: achristo@pons.uio.no (Alf Christophersen)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Looking for descents of 4 THORBJ\RNSEN from Krager|, Norway
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:31:08 GMT
Organization: University of Oslo


Hi any Wisconsinians!

I'm looking for descents from the following:

Niels Theodor Thorbj|rnsen b. 9. of June 1847 in Krager|,
    Telemark, Norway. Possibly changing his surname to Nilsen or
    Nielsen when immigrating to Wisconsin.

Ingeborg Elise Thorbj|rnsen b. 11 of July 1850 in Krager|,
    Telemark, Norway. Possibly married to a Johnsen. Possibly
    immigrated to Wisconsin together with her brothers, Niels
    Theodor, Simon T. Martin (his christening name was Simen
    Martinius Thorbj|rnsen, born 23. of October 1840 in Krager|)

Ingebrigt Lauritz Thorbj|rnsen, b. 22 of January 1854 in krager|,
    Telemark, Norway. Difficult to guess what he changed his
    surname to. Christensen may be a guess since the father was
    Thorbj|rn Christensen.


Further I'm looking for descendants of

Ingebrigt Lauritz Madsen, b. 27. of August, 1871 in Krager|.
Moved to USA and disappeared.


Alf Christophersen
Roots-L list owner
From: HARROLD@INDYCMS.BITNET (Dick Harold)
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Subject: Re: Pest house & Typhus
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:35:05 GMT
Reply-To: Dick Harold <HARROLD@INDYCMS.BITNET>
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On Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:57:23 GMT Fred Rump from home said:
>Well, perhaps I'm the only person on the net who actually had and survived
>this disease.
>
>After the war, in Berlin, things were a bit of a mess to say the least. I was
>there. There was no food or shelter and as children we made do like the
>little urchins one sees in the movies. We climbed into the basement of the
>Russians and stole briquets of coal, we searched thru their garbage for

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Fred

Thanks Fred...  I needed that.  I have never in my life really "needed" anything
How blessed we are.

Dick

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Reply-To:     Frieda Davison <FDAVISON@SFSUVAX1.BITNET>
From:         Frieda Davison <FDAVISON@SFSUVAX1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: WYCKOFF House in Brooklyn, NY
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> In article <2B646417@ssd0.laafb.af.mil> KitchenRN@SSD0.LAAFB.AF.MIL writes:
> >Does anybody know anything about the WYCKOFF house in Brooklyn, New York?  It
> >is said to be the oldest building still standing in New York City, and was
> >made a city monument or park.  This was the family homestead of my WYCKOFFs
> >from the middle 1600s.
>

A recent architectural guide for NYC gives the following information:

In Southeastern Brooklyn in the town of Flatlands/Niew Amersfoort:
        Pieter Claesson Wyckoff House, 5902 Clarendon Rd. at intersection of
Ralph and Ditmas Aves, SW corner.  circa 1641.  Restoration architects of
Oppenheimer, Brady and Vogelstein.  Hard to find in this confused stretch
street intersections.  Does NOT provide any other historical information.

In Southern Brooklyn in Sheepshead Bay:
        Wyckoff-Bennett House, 1669 E. 22nd St., SE corner on Kings
Highway. circa 1766.  A "rural idyll": the most impressive of all early
Brooklyn houses.  Dated by a number cut into one of the wooden beams.
Used as quarters by the Hessians during the Rev. War.  Has a six-columned
porch.  No other historical information given

There is also a Wyckoff Street between Third and Fourth Avenues in
Brooklyn.  The guides says "If this street weren't so poor it would be
famous.  Working-class, three-story English basement tenement buildings
march up the incline toward Park Slope like a provincial brigade: in step,
regimental insignia visible, well-groomed if a bit dusty".


Frieda Davison
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Reply-To:     Joe Gardner <JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
From:         Joe Gardner <JGARDNER@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Spanish-American War

I recently acquired the pension file of my wife's g'uncle, who was a
member of Gen. Shafter's Expeditionary Force in Cuba, June-August
1898. In it are two long depositions, one from my wife's relative &
one from his first sergeant, describing the campaign that included
the battles of El Caney & San Juan Hill & the siege of Santiago.

If anyone else has an ancestor who was also in this disasterous,
unnecessary, & monumentally stupid endeavor & would like to see two
vivid accounts of it from the "grunt's" point of view, I'd be
happy to send copies.

Joe Gardner
jgardner@ukcc.uky.edu