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Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
Subject: how compatible is DECset 11 LSE/SCA
From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Date: Tue,  5 Jan 1993 11:24:08 CST
Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: tp


I use VAXset v10, and now have the CDrom with DECset v11. Looking through the
release notes it seems that massive changes have been made to LSE and SCA. The
SCA changes look quite interesting, but the LSE changes have me a bit worried.
I'm in the middle of a project and can't take the time to learn the new stuff
and teach it to the other guy here. The SCA stuff, however, looks quite
appealing and I'd like to be able to access it.

The release notes mention a bunch of compatibility settings, but really only
hint at them. The only manuals on the CDrom are guides, and don't talk about
back-compatibility at all. The reference manuals aren't on the CD! They are in
the product kits and you have to install the stuff to easily get access to them!
(That's a first, as far as I know, and one I don't like, the reference manuals
should be on the CD.)

So, anyone know the story? Can I install this stuff without rewriting my section
files and language environments and relearning and retraining almost as though
they were new products? Or should I resign myself to not having this stuff till
I can devote a week to getting it all up to speed? If the compatibility stuff is
all there, could anyone summarize how to turn it all on? Any other gotchas on
DECset v11? Comments on the debugger (I know I'm drifting off topic for this
group, but I thought I'd ask, since I'm here :-) ).
--
Terry Poot <tp@mccall.com>                   The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!rutgers!depot!mccall!tp)          615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in KS (913)776-4041           Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
Subject: LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL
From: "Comet" <comet@us.oracle.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 12:49:02 PST
Reply-To: "Comet" <COMET@us.oracle.com>
Organization: The Internet
Return-Path: <TPU-Mgr@SHSU.edu>
Errors-To: TPU-Mgr@SHSU.edu
X-Listname: Text Processing Utility (TPU) Language Discussion List
Original-To: unix:INFO-TPU@SHSU.edu

Phone: 415/593-0500

I remember seeing on a DECUS symposium tape, once upon a time,
a TPU CALL_USER routine that used LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to
activate arbitrary routines in arbitrary (`correctly' linked) shareable images
to do such things as, ummm, maybe finding the sine of some angle.

Does this sound at all familiar?  If so, how would I be able to use archie to
find me an anonymous ftp site for this?  Or is there another tool better suited
to this task, which I can access using internet mail?

Thank you for all your help.
--------
Comet
437 Wessex Way
Belmont, CA  94002-2757
Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
Subject: VMS_SHARE v8.2 now available from FILESERV/Niord
From: "George D. Greenwade" <bed_gdg@shsu.edu>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 15:48:32 CST
Reply-To: "George D. Greenwade" <bed_gdg@SHSU.edu>
Organization: The Internet
Return-Path: <TPU-Mgr@SHSU.edu>
Errors-To: TPU-Mgr@SHSU.edu
X-Listname: Text Processing Utility (TPU) Language Discussion List

Hunter Goatley <goathunter@WKUVX1.BITNET> announced the availability of
VMS_SHARE v8.2 on his FILESERV.  VMS_SHARE, authored by Andy Harper, is a
primarily TPU-based utility which packages multiple files or single large
files into multi-part files suitable for mailing across the Internet and
BITNET.

I have retrieved the package and made it available on FILESERV, in an
11-part VMS_SHARE distribution.  To retrieve it via e-mail, include:
 SENDME TPU.VMS_SHARE*
in the body of a mail message to FILESERV@SHSU.BITNET (FILESERV@SHSU.edu).
The SHSU FILESERV distribution is a plain vanilla VMS_SHARE distribution
which includes the files as they appear; you will not need UNZIP nor MFTU
upon receipt.  A ZIP package of VMS_SHARE 8.2 is available for anonymous
ftp retrieval from Niord.SHSU.edu (192.92.115.8) in [FILESERV.TPU] as
VMS_SHARE-8_2.ZIP

Regards,   George
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Department of Economics and Business Analysis         THEnet: SHSU::BED_GDG
College of Business Administration                    Voice: (409) 294-1266
P. O. Box 2118                                        FAX:   (409) 294-3612
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From: James Chavin <ndicasia@glas.apc.org>
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:49 MDT
Subject: chess partner wanted
Nf-ID: #N:glas:58900051:000:251
Nf-From: glas.UUCP!ndicasia    Jan 10 20:49:00 1993


I am currently based in Alma Ata, Kazakhstan, and would like to play
some chess my e-mail.  I'm not sure if this is the right bboard to 
post this request to, biut it is all I have access to.  If you
are interested please respond with your first move

Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: whaley@kpc.com (Ken Whaley)
Subject: opening book play, and -st options (gnuchess 4.0pl60, xboard2.0pl25)
Reply-To: whaley@kpc.com
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc.
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #4
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:05:33 GMT

I'm trying to get the opening book working with gnu chess 4.0 pl60 and 
xboard 2.0 pl 25.  I've built the .book.data file as instructed using
gnuchessr -b gnuchess.book -B gnuchess.book.data -S (different numbers, e.g.,
5000)
and gnuchessr says that the book is built.  I can't seem to get xboard 
(or even the curses-based) to play through any of the openings in the
book.

I'd like to practice openings, and have xboard (gnuchess) randomly choose
an opening that matches the moves made so far (and likewise, when it plays
white, to pick an opening and stick to it, or adapt based on what my responses
are.  Is this what the opening book is for?

It doesn't seem to make more than one or maybe two moves from an opening
before going off on its own tangent.  I've tried almost all combinations
of the "random," "easy", "book" commands, etc.


Another question: the -st option doesn't seem to do anything, only the
-sd option does.  If I tell gnuchess to limit moves to 20 seconds, it takes
much longer to generate moves (especially at endgame positions).  If I
give the -sd (search depth) option, it seems to faithfully stick to this,
but I'd rather have it search deeper in endgame positions to play better,
but I don't want to wait a minute for each move!

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

	thanks,
			Ken
--
Kenneth Whaley			 (408) 748-6347
Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc.	 Email: whaley@kpc.com
2630 Walsh Avenue
Santa Clara, CA.  95051
Newsgroups: gnu.chess
From: jon@cas.org (Jon Vander Hill)
Subject: Re: opening book play, and -st options (gnuchess 4.0pl60, xboard2.0pl25)
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:07:10 GMT


>>>>> On Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:05:33 GMT, whaley@kpc.com (Ken Whaley) said:

> I'm trying to get the opening book working with gnu chess 4.0 pl60 and 
> xboard 2.0 pl 25.  I've built the .book.data file as instructed using
> gnuchessr -b gnuchess.book -B gnuchess.book.data -S (different numbers, e.g.,
> 5000)
> and gnuchessr says that the book is built.  I can't seem to get xboard 
> (or even the curses-based) to play through any of the openings in the
> book.

I've had some success with the following incantation to build the "GDX"
book as suggested in doc/BOOKFILES:

gnuchessr -b gnuchess.book -B gnuchess.book.data -S 450000

It takes a bit of time for this to complete.

Xboard 2.0.23 appears to play (very quickly) from book with this setup.

What I'd like to know, is how to set up gnuchess book to work
with the text book as before.  I really can't afford to store the
5+Mb .data binary file.

Jon Vander Hill
jon@cas.org
Newsgroups: gnu.chess,rec.games.chess
From: 928s4@leland.Stanford.EDU (Benjamin Sloss)
Subject: Re: GNU Chess ratings estimates...
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 18:21:43 GMT

uzun@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun) writes:
>Please note  that gnuchess 4pl58 and gnuchess 4pl60 will take
>quite different times to calc the first move to 6 plys, even
>on the same machine.  4pl58 will calc to 6 plys MUCH faster
>than 4pl60 will, but 4pl60 seems to play better chess.
  This is indeed the case.  Gnu 4 pl 60 calculates the move in 32 sec on my
RS/6000, which is slower than pl 58.  YMMV.

Gnu 3.1, BTW, calculates the move in 9 (!) seconds.

Ben
>-Roger


-- 
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Quote:          "It's all fun and games until someone gets paid."
Transportation: '83 CB650SC (straight roads) '93 CBR 900RR   (twisty roads)
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Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
From: swp@beta.lanl.gov (Steven Painter)
Subject: test
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:55:40 GMT

test article 
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
From: kroy@wang.com (kroy)
Subject: test
Organization: Wang Laboratories, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:26:54 GMT

Just a little test!
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
From: kroy@wang.com (kroy)
Subject: test
Organization: Wang Laboratories, Inc.
Distribution: gnu
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:28:06 GMT

This is a test
Newsgroups: gnu.gnusenet.test
From: pp@ifi.unizh.ch (Postman Pat)
Subject: tst
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Distribution: gnu
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:32:31 GMT

gnu.gnusenet.test
-- 
Postie Pat, pp@ifi.unizh.ch, CS Dept. University of Zurich, Switzerland.
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Getting around the GPL (was Re: Fund raising at the FSF)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 17:36:28 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.98

friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman) writes:
>In article <1iik7pINN4qf@shelley.u.washington.edu>
>tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>>        1. Find the places where they want to make proprietary changes to  
>>        GNU Emacs.
>>
>>        2. Rewrite those parts so that they depend on a DLL (dynamic link
>>        library) to perform the functions that they want to do    
>>        proprietarily (sp?).
>>
>>        3. Distribute the modified GNU Emacs under GPL.
>>
>>        4. Implement a proprietary DLL, which is not distributed under
>>        GPL.
>>
>>Is this a violation of GPL?
> 
> Yes.  The GPL says, in part:
> 
>       2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion
>     of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and
>     distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1
>     above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:
> 
>         ...
> 
>         b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
>         whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any
>         part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third
>         parties under the terms of this License.

Does this mean that because NeXT supply a copy of gcc which requires the NeXT
C libraries, they must make the NeXT C libraries available to me free of
charge in source code form?  If so, hadn't you better tell them that?


mathew
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:26:39 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman):
>There may be any number of reasons why nobody else [other than the GNU
>Project] has developed any GPL'ed "applications" yet.  A large part of
>it, in my speculative opinion, is that it's a fairly new idea and most
>companies don't yet accept that it could work.

Given the U.S. legal idea of "fiduciary responsibility", "it could
work" must be considered to mean "it could generate as much profit as
the creation and sale of proprietary software."  Since there is no
evidence yet that such profit can be earned, shareholders would roast
alive any manager who gives away source code to a corporation's cash
cow application.  So if anyone comes out with a GPL'd killer app, it
won't be a corporation.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,talk.philosophy.misc,alt.usage.english,alt.society.anarchy
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:16:46 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston):
>[GPL code] is free-er in every sense of the word than any other 
>software I've worked with...

Then apparently you've never used X, or Deliver, or any other system
either public domain or copyrighted but released for unrestricted use.

The FSF didn't invent free redistribution, it corrupted it.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,talk.philosophy.misc,misc.legal
From: oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan Yigit)
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
Followup-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Organization: York U. Student Information Systems Project
	<C0CCt3.CG5@cs.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan5.022956.19008@husc3.harvard.edu>
	<6064@comton.airs.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:48:59 GMT

Ian Lance Taylor writes [in response to MZ]:


   			 ...All freedom exists under a certain set of
   more or less onerous restrictions.  Your argument against the GPL
   seems to me to be that the GPL is sufficiently onerous that it does
   not deserve to be called free.

compare and contrast with the restrictions on the following [eg]: BSD source,
the X window system and related software, tex, kermit, c-news, icon, CMU lisp,
byacc ...

qed.
From: eks@daimi.aau.dk (Eigil Krogh S|rensen)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: groff
Keywords: pagesize lines/page printers
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:27:43 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark




With groff how do I easily change the pagesize.

E.g. the number of lines per page when using the command

      groff -man -Tascii groff-1.06/groff/groff.n

(can be done without changing  groff.n I suppose) and  changing between
A4 and letter and 24/70/n lines per page etc.

How  do I  make output  that can  be understood  by a  HP LaserJet  III
without PostScript.


please reply by mail.

Thanx.

 - Eigil
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: kevin@edscom.demon.co.uk (Kevin Broadey)
Subject: What is the LGPL?
X-Attributions-By: Supercite 2.2
X-Disclaimer: These opinions are mine: others available on request.
Organization: EDS-Scicon, Milton Keynes, UK
X-Newsreader: GNUS 3.14.1
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 13:08:38 GMT

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I can't find `LGPL' in $EMACS/etc/FAQ.

So what is it?

The term came up in the Zeleny vs The Rest of the World debate (sorry,
am I showing my allegiance here?)

TIA - Kevin
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Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.mips,alt.cd-rom
From: gilem@aix.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: Could someone please tell me what SCSI controllers can drive an apple sc+ cd-rom drive?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:07:31 GMT

 I would like to know what SCSI controllers can drive the apple sc+ cd-rom
drive, preferrably a decent controller (16-bit) which is also suitable for
external SCSI hard drives, and that has drivers for a variety of SCSI cd-rom
drives.

Please respond by e-mail
If there is interest, I will post responses

Mike
gilem@rpi.edu
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Availability of FSF code (was Re: Fund raising at the FSF)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 05:58:23 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.think.com

In article <1i8cgeINN8l6@shelley.u.washington.edu> tzs@stein.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>As a programmer, I find Microsoft source code as available to me as FSF
>source code.  That is, not at all.

>Compare two hypothetical situtations:

>Situtation 1:
 [Can't use Microsoft source because it's not available.]
>Situtation 2:
 [Can't use FSF source because hired to write a proprietary program.]

>Looks the same to me.

The difference is that in situation 2, your employers could conceivably
decide to copyleft the resulting program, getting around the problem.  But
it's much harder to get around the problem in situation 1.

In many situations it might even make economic sense to make software
non-proprietary so that you can incorporate FSF code.  Suppose it saves you
a man-year of work in development, and a man-month per year of ongoing
maintenance, and you charge $5K for the program.  Calling a man-year $120K,
you break even if the non-proprietariness of the program results in 26
fewer sales the first year and 2 fewer sales/year in the future, and you
come out ahead if there were fewer sales lost.  For specialized
applications, those numbers may not be a problem.
-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
Xref: sparky gnu.misc.discuss:4368 talk.philosophy.misc:3254
From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: harmful effects of gnu software
Date: 11 Jan 1993 07:33:47 -0500
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
NNTP-Posting-Host: slab.mtholyoke.edu

In article <1iqervINNcp5@shelley.u.washington.edu> tzs@carson.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:
>What is my incentive to write new GPL'ed software? 

Check out what Cygnus did to port the GNU compiler to Solaris 2.  If
the GNU model becomes more widely accepted you'll see more of that
sort of thing.  Also, Cygnus aren't the only ones out there doing this...
I'm sure there are quite a few more.  'dvitps', a very good dvi->PS
translator, was written by Stefan Bechtolsheim (sp?) under contract for
somebody, and his contract included the condition that he would be able
to release it under the GPL.  When an organization needs some software
for internal use and they are willing to pay to have it written, most
of the time they aren't interested in marketing it anyway, and could
probably be convinced to contract for GPL'ed software, especially once
you make it clear to them that they stand to benefit if others later
improve the software independently.
-- 
Jurgen Botz, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu
Northampton, MA, USA
Xref: sparky gnu.misc.discuss:4426 talk.philosophy.misc:3280 misc.legal:22418
From: peterd@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com (Peter Desnoyers)
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
Organization: Motorola Codex, Canton, Massachusetts
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:44:42 GMT


In article <1993Jan2.221526.18943@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
>[...] on the other hand, as a certified misanthrope with no ready
>ftp access, I have no way to obtain a copy for nothing.

Given your email address, I would bet that you are within stumbling
distance of the GNU machines and associated tape drives. If you really
wanted a copy that bad you'd find someone on the net who would let you
in, hoof it down to Tech Square, and load up a tape or two of your
own. It would take you only an hour or two, and save the rest of us
from having to listen to your complaining. 

				Peter Desnoyers
-- 
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
From: davidd@ctsx.celtech.com
Subject: looking for GNU's address
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:26:46 GMT
Organization: Cellular Technical Services, Seattle

 
Hello, I'm looking for GNU's phone number and address. I'm
interested in getting a copy of their catalog(?). Thanks.

David

-- 
============================================================================
David Doll                       UUNET: ..uunet!ctsx.celtech.com!davidd
Cellular Technical Services      Seattle, WA 98121             
2401 4th Ave., Suite 808         (206) 727-6372
Xref: sparky gnu.misc.discuss:4260 alt.society.anarchy:1043
From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston)
Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:50:37 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

In article <1993Jan6.132121.13286@hellgate.utah.edu> Greg Alt writes:

[ ... quoting a line of Mr. Alt's and using it to make a 
      completely tangential point ... ] 

>But it is true that there would be less commercial products.

I can't see this happening under any scenario.  People may be
finding it harder to make big bucks with commercial software,
but this trend would continue regardless of whether the GPL 
increases in popularity.  The GPL is just another way to 
publish software, and it competes with others that are still
quite healthy.

In the hypothetical "post-scarcity" society that has been 
used as an example somewhere in the FSF literature (doesn't 
matter where) there will most certainly be those who will 
continue to trade in intellectual property under a variety
of terms.  This is just human nature -  people like to make 
and trade neat things.  

If humanity reaches a state in which people are less concerned 
about where their next meal is coming from, the numbers who choose 
to trade in intellectual property will have to increase -  what 
else would people do in such a world?  Creating and consuming
software, music, videos, etc. is fun.  

In such a world, the price that one could charge for trading 
in such things on a proprietary basis will be limited by 
increased competition.  It doesn't really matter whether the 
competition comes from people who do it on a proprietary basis 
but more cheaply, on a "truly-free" PD  basis, or under GPL-like 
restrictions.

Fewer programmers?  I doubt it.  It's more likely that society 
will redefine necessity so as to cause itself to require more
of what people enjoy doing.

Such speculation may seem a bit self-indulgent when considers
that the current state of the world is far from "post-scarcity".

Still, for those who insist on worrying about how the future
will look if the GPL is not stamped out immediately - take a 
look at the big picture.  Microsoft isn't going away;  neither 
is Apple (~$8 billion) - or any of the other vicious hoarders 
that pay most of the salaries in the software business.  
-- 
-- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu)
-- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949