From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Kosovo: The Next Battle Front in the Balkan
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:22:58 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

(Bruce Scott) writes:

>Kutluk writes:

>"[...]Such serious is the West's commitment to the survival of Bosnians."

>You shouldn't interpret this as lack of concern. But please do tell me
>why countries such as the US or Germany should order their boys into
>life-risking situations which neither they or their countries caused.
>Hey, where is all this rhetoric anymore about the evil US trying to be
>the world's policeman? 

I would settle for much less. The Bosnians have many times made it
clear that the world community need not sacrifice their lives to stop
the slaughter of the Bonians but abandon the arms embargo to the
republic. The Serbian invador does get weapons and oil from Serbia
either domestic or bought through Greek Cypriot bank laundering.
Then we have the sick US foreign policy in the region which stops
any arms transfer to Sarajevo ( such as the Iranian aircraft that the
Americans pressured the Croatians to stop them.)

Bruce, nobody is asking the Western kid go die in Bosnian hills.
They just ask that they are allowed to fight a war to stop the
genocide of their people.

>Gladstone-era bullshitting gave us the fallacy of
>the evil Turks and the squeaky-clean Armenians. Nagorno-Karabakh has
>finally shown everyone what a lot of racist bullshit all of that was.
>So now it's time to see it all happen again in Bosnia. And what clear eyes
>see is that there are no good guys, just several warring tribes who all
>caught the Fascist nationalist bug. So why should Americans or Germans
>(or other) go in there and die for nothing?

I think nobody can disagree with your judgement about the Gladstonian
anti-Turkish campaigns that caused so much suffering. But there is not
always a prallel between events. Seldom in the world history can we
find such clear cut seperation of the right and wrong as in Bosnia.   

The Bosnian, or the Muslim, Croat and the loyal Serbian 70 per cent
majority, have lived with the 30 in peace and harmony for decades. The
nationalism viruse never caught the urban Bosnians with their
sophisticated culture, their mixed marriages, and religious
understanding.  Sarajevo is the only Muslim city in the world that
staged olympics, the cultural aspects are just the opposite of the
Muslim fighters in other parts of the world.  Radovan Karadjic, one of
the bloodiest liars of our century since Hitler, was born a
Monte-Negron peasant and was never accepted by the Sarajevo elite as
one of them. 

The reason of this genocide, Bruce, is not because the Bosnians became
fascisto fanatics overnight, it is much more deep down and simple. The
events, concentration camps, mutilation of thousands of women and
children, mass shooting of thousands of men, constant rape of the
young, and destruction of five centuries old cultural-religious
heritage  are all acts of barbarism and pure hatred no matter how much
diplomaticly soft euphemisms are spent.  The Bosnian government,
elected, and supported with a 70 per cent yes vote 
as well as the full international recognition, 
as the legitimate government of the country has not
mass-murdered or mis-treated any minority group including the Serbs.
The Serbians on the other hand have a Greater Serbia ideal and Bosnia
is only a part of it. If they enjoy the tolerance of the world
community, after the mass-killings in Bosnia, there will be the mass
killings in Sandjak and Kosovo within the Greater Serbia. 

This is not an ethnic war between equally equipped, equally ruthless
tribes. This is a war between an innocent civilian population and a
fascistocommunist army, a war between the defender of legitimate
rights, international law, and the right to live, and an invasion of
ethnosupremecist butchers.  

The only way to stop this is to let Bosnia have the means to defend
its population.

Kutluk
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