HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ERIC@hup.ucla.edu (Eric J. Splaver)
Subject: Re: Travel Award for sale
Organization: UCLA Honors & Undergraduate Programs
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:19:30 PDT

In article <1992Aug28.151140.17891@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton) writes:
>In article <ERIC.14.0@hup.ucla.edu> ERIC@hup.ucla.edu (Eric J. Splaver) 
>> Some rules are wrong and it is the responsibility of the individuals  
>>within a society to break those rules. 
>
>What a completely inane thing to say. A society where every 
>individual has the responsibility (sic) to decide which rules
>are to obeyed and which are to be broken is described nicely
>by the word anarchy:
>
>...gulp...
If the rules can be made at will, by corporations whose only concern is 
their own bottom line, then I'll take anarchy.  My sentence which you took 
out of context (without even a "gulp" :-) ) was referring to arbitrary rules
set down by a single airline.  
________________________
Eric J. Splaver
eric@hup.ucla.edu
(310) 825-2768
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: seating prefs
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:17:45 GMT

Sudha Venkataraman <sv22+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote: 
->Here's one for all the seating gurus:  which seats are the most
->convenient for long-distance/int'l flights?

why, the first class ones are most convenient, of course!

you had to ask.

maybe if you detailed the criteria you think are important, people
will be better able to answer your question.

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# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: ajcueva@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (Al Cuevas)
Subject: Re: Morris Air
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:54:02 GMT
Keywords: cheap, on time

> >	Morris Air was originally created on the ANC/SEA route as a no-frills
> >airline.  At the time, the cheapest ANC/SEA RT was about $415.  Morris appeared
> Morris Air started 9 years ago with 1 flight: Salt Lake to Honolulu.

Last weekend they had an article on San Francisco TV about the origination 
of Morris Air.  Seems that Mrs. Morris had been a travel agent for many
years who felt she could run a better airline than what was currently 
available.  Her husband dared her and the rest is history. 

Mrs. Morris (Betty, I think) was interviewed and gave her thoughts
on how an airline should be run and her idea of what customers wanted.
It was quite interesting.

Al Cuevas
Pac Bell
510-823-1498

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: kmeyer@aero.org (Kraig R. Meyer)
Subject: Re: It USED to be northworst - now its northbest
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:08:36 GMT

> moorerr@msu.edu (richard r. moore) writes:
>>People who wrote off northwest several years ago ought to try it again.  A 
>>few years ago, some former marriott management people bought NW & brought 
>>customer awareness to the airline (and brought a good working environment 
>>to their employees).  The difference has been like night and day.  I used to 
>>go out of my way to avoid NW.  Now i try to take NW whenever i can.  The 
>>staff are very friendly and helpful.

On 20 Aug 92 11:38:16 GMT, mmiller@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Mike Miller) said:
>   Ditto for me.  I fly quite a lot and have found that NW has excellent staff
> and service, they are on time (which is important for business travelers), 
> and the food is good.  I try to take NW whenever possible.  Their WorldPerks
> frequent flyer program is, IMHO, one of the best and most generous.

I have also been very pleased with NW in the last year or so.  They have a
better on time record than any of the other major carriers, and their
service has been good as well.  My only complaint is that they still fly
a fair number of DC9's and 727s on their short hop routes. 

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: seating prefs
From: Graeme.Hart@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:08:54 GMT
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange

In article <1992Sep2.193832.15056@nas.nasa.gov> fineberg@nas.nasa.gov writes:
> In article <cedD42u00WBKA4GVd1@andrew.cmu.edu>, Sudha Venkataraman <sv22+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> |> 
> |> Here's one for all the seating gurus:  which seats are the most
> |> convenient for long-distance/int'l flights?
> |> 
> |> In my experience, parents with young children are seated closest to the
> |> front exit, and young children travelling alone are shunted to the rear.
> |>  I've also seen passengers in aisle seats under a full overhead
> |> compartment get hit on the head by falling baggage.  What does that
> |> leave?
> |> 
> |> 
> |> sudha
> |> 
> |> sv22@andrew.cmu.edu
> I personally like window seats for two reasons.  First, it gives me a wall
> to lean on if I want to try to sleep.  Second, I am not big on walking around
> a plane and nothing is more annoying to me than having to get up many times
> to let someone out.  Therefore, if you plan to stay in your seat, an aisle or
> middle seat is a bad choice.
> 
> Sam

If you can get the seats just behind the doors, these are good, as there
is a large area in front of you.  The downside is that you don't get a
great view of the movie.

Another good position is by an emergency exit, with a bulkhead in front
of you.  These seats have more room in front of them than the normal seats.
 The downside with these is that you can't put your stuff under the seat
 in front, and you can't put it around your feet, as the path to the exit
 must be kept clear when landing and taking off.
 
 
 Graeme 
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: edelheit@smiley.mitre.org (Jeff Edelheit)
Subject: Re: Use of radios on planes.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:25:57 GMT

In article brit@wagner.Physics.McGill.CA (Dave Britton) wrote: 
->... The law that governs this 
->states that is illegal to rebroadcast private radio communication 
->between two people *unless* both parties agree.

I believe that your information source is only partially correct.
It is true that it is illegal to retransmit any private communications
(radio, telephone, fax).  However, communications between aircraft and air
traffic controllers are not private radio communications.  Thus, the
pilot can retransmit the comm over the inflight entertainment system.

Jeff Edelheit		email:  edelheit@mitre.org
The MITRE Corporation	voice:  (703) 883-7586
7525 Colshire Drive	FAX:	(703) 883-1397
McLean, VA   22102
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Subject: Re: American matches coupon fares
Keywords: discount
Reply-To: reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux)
Organization: E 4th St Home For The Overeducated Underemployed - Chicago Div.
Distribution: us
Date: 27 Aug 92 23:20:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.212457.29888@progress.com> harvie@lanai.progress.com (John Harvie) writes:
>American is matching the coupon discounts offered by America West and United
>(in newspapers 8/26 as somebody mentioned in an earlier posting here). 
>The $270 fare booked yesterday was ticketed at $220 today (nice surprise),
>and (even nicer) I didn't have to ask for the discount or give them a coupon....
>Discount is $35 for fares $150-249 and $50 for fares above $250.

United wouldn't  accept  copies of  the  coupons, I   had   to  buy  7
newspapers to get  all the   coupons I  needed... The  agent   mumbled
something about 'stimulating  sales of  newspapers...'  What BS.   But
what the heck?  a 35c paper with  *two* coupons... each of which saved
me $35? I think that's a pretty good return on my investment.

One interesting  thing, they  wouldn't allow  coupons to   be used  in
conjunction with tickets that were  being turned in for credit  to pay
for another ticket.
				reb
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: fineberg@win31.nas.nasa.gov (Samuel A. Fineberg)
Subject: Re: seating prefs
Organization: CSC, NASA Ames Research Center, NAS Division
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 19:38:32 GMT
Reply-To: fineberg@nas.nasa.gov

In article <cedD42u00WBKA4GVd1@andrew.cmu.edu>, Sudha Venkataraman <sv22+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> 
|> Here's one for all the seating gurus:  which seats are the most
|> convenient for long-distance/int'l flights?
|> 
|> In my experience, parents with young children are seated closest to the
|> front exit, and young children travelling alone are shunted to the rear.
|>  I've also seen passengers in aisle seats under a full overhead
|> compartment get hit on the head by falling baggage.  What does that
|> leave?
|> 
|> 
|> sudha
|> 
|> sv22@andrew.cmu.edu
I personally like window seats for two reasons.  First, it gives me a wall
to lean on if I want to try to sleep.  Second, I am not big on walking around
a plane and nothing is more annoying to me than having to get up many times
to let someone out.  Therefore, if you plan to stay in your seat, an aisle or
middle seat is a bad choice.

Sam
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: wlopez@vitalink.com (Walter Lopez)
Subject: Please Ignore!
Reply-To: wlopez@vitalink.com (Walter Lopez)
Organization: Vitalink Communications
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:27:04 GMT


Walter Lopez
wlopez@vitalink.com
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From: ae02022
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Problem about Connecting flight !!
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:33:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <14959@borg.cs.unc.edu>, kumar@polk.cs.unc.edu (Subodh Kumar) writes...
>I am buying a SwissAir tkt from NewYork. But since I have to fly from
>Raleigh, I have bought an American airline tkt between Raleigh and NewYork -
>Though there is a connecting time at JFK, of 2 hours while going, unforeseen
>delays do happen. (Both the tickets are nonrefundable !) Where do I stand in
>such a case ? Have you had any such experience ? Will I be rerouted ? Who will
>take the responsibility in such a case - AA or SwissAir ?
> 
>Thanks for any Info,
>Subodh
>-- 
>	You can either win or lose - there is no third option.
>Subodh Kumar		Department of Computer Science 
>			University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
>			NC 27599 	Tel: (919) 962-1943

I guess nobody will be liable if you buy the tickets separately. Why didn't
you buy the ticket from Raleigh directly. Swissair would habe been
certainly able to give you a connecting flight through a partner airline.

Anyways, normally 2 hrs should be enough. I guess 45 mins are required
normally.

Peter
From: jog@kpc.com (Rajeev Jog)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: travel agency commission or not?
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:23:10 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computers Inc.

ej@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (sang-cheul.kong) writes:

>They sure do get their commission.  They just love people who do that.
>There's very little work for them and they still collect their fees.
>How do I know for sure?  Travel Avenue will rebate a part of their
>commission if you ticket through them even if you make your own
>reservations.  AMF, they expect you to do all the leg work, and when
>you are good and ready, come to them for ticketing.

>	Brian

Let's not bash travel agents that much.  My travel agent often works
hard for many tix which (with the low fares) get her no more than a
$10-$20 commission.  So I don't feel bad about making a simple
reservation if I know where/when I'm going directly with the airline
on their 800 number late at night etc. and then having her run the
ticket in the morning.  That their office is across the street from work
makes it very convenient.

P.S. What's "AMF"???
-- 
Rajeev Jog
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: romeo@cis.ohio-state.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: 2 AIR TIKS: Columbus,Oh->LAX->Columbus,Oh->CHEAP!!
Originator: romeo@skink.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 03:28:43 GMT

Hello,

I have 2 roundtrip tickets for sale on Southwest Airlines for $130 each.

LEAVE Columbus, Ohio: Wed. Sept. 2nd, 4:35pm to Kansas City to LA
ARRIVE LAX: about 10:30pm

LEAVE LAX: Fri. Sept. 11th, 6:30am DIRECT FLIGHT to Columbus, Ohio

The two tickets have MALE names and if you're interested, I'll send
specific flight information.


-> THE DATES CAN BE CHANGED IF THE FLIGHT IS MADE BEFORE SEPT.13
-> THE TICKETS ARE ONLY $130.OO EACH ROUNDTRIP AND MUST GO!!
-> REPLY TO: romeo@cis.ohio-state.edu

						Thanks! 

From: ajeans@hplred.HP.COM (Albert Jeans)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:29:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Experience with Air China
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air

Not only should you confirm 7 days in advance, but you should also reconfirm
LESS THAN 72 hours in advance. I once reconfirmed a flight more than 72 hours
in advance, but when I got to the airport, they told me I no longer had a
reservation because I had not reconfirmed within 72 hours! Fortunately, in this
case, I got a first class seat, showing once again, that these petty officials
can pretty much do whatever they want. (I wouldn't be surprised if the extra
cash people were paying for business class seats was going directly into 
someone's pocket.) Air China has a new look and logo (formerly CAAC) but it
sounds like the service is still the same.
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Monday, 31 Aug 1992 08:23:50 EDT
From: Naushad Hussain <IO11076@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Northwest Airlines

I just returned from Bangkok on Northwest Airlines.  I was extremely impressed
with their service.  I noticed that they have refurbised the interior of their
747's and improved the meals.  For the last one year, I have been using
Northwest for all my long distance travels( 2 RT to Bangkok from Boston) andd
I am sure that I will continue to use the Airline in the future.

     Their ground staff at Bangkok Airport was the most efficient that I have
ever seen.  I was surprised to receive such great service from an U.S. Airline.

Regards,
Naushad Hussain
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: marks@igor.tamri.com (Mark Sequerth)
Subject: <<<Air Tickets John Wayne -> Atlanta -> John Wayne>>
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 22:19:26 GMT

A Continental Airlines round trip ticket for sale:

$220.00

John Wayne (Orange County) -> Atlanta -> John Wayne (Orange County)

Departure: John Wayne (Sept.  26, 7:30am) -> Atlanta  (Sept.  26,  6:49pm)
Returning: Atlanta  (Oct. 4, 8:30am) -> John Wayne (Oct. 4, 12:30pm)

The name on the ticket is that of a female tickets. 


---
Mark Sequerth

PHONE:  (415)875-3409
FAX:    (415)875-2915
e-mail: marks@igor.tamri.com

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From: esr@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Edwin S. Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Seats closer together?
Date: 28 Aug 92 22:31:29 GMT

In article <27335@life.ai.mit.edu> ringrose@fibula.ai.mit.edu (Robert  
Ringrose) writes:
> 
> <climb on soapbox>
> I'll grant, I have longer legs than most people.  But this summer, when I  
flew
> to Chicago on American, I didn't even have room for my knees!  I spent the
> entire flight with my legs in the aisle, feet getting run over by beverage
> carts.
> 
> Any suggestions?  I'm only 6'1", and many people are taller - how do _you_
> handle this problem.

I'm 6'5" and had the same problem on an American flight SJC-ORD a month or so  
ago.  Part of it may depend on the type of aircraft although I seem to have  
had a little more leg room on my Delta flights both international and  
domestic.

Suggestions?  Try to get a bulkhead seat, or exit row for those planes which  
have more room in them, if you can get one before all the little stubby  
people.  I often do pretty well getting bulkhead/exit row on the first leg  
but if I have to change planes I never seem to be able to beat the Stubbies  
regardless of how much time I have to change.

I was on a flight a while back where my knees were jammed into the guy's back  
in front of me and some guy was sitting in the exit row whose legs were so  
short he couldn't even reach the bulkhead with his feet.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: prevelig@eastman1.mit.edu (Peter Prevelige)
Subject: Re: Northwest (was Re: Things to make flying more comfortable)
Organization: Mass. Inst. of Tech., Dept. of Chemistry
	<1992Aug18.151208.24650@cs.yale.edu> <1992Aug19.030046.12760@ads.com>
	<1992Aug25.060805.11817@openage.openage.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 21:16:09 GMT


If Northwest (or any other employer) wants to insitute performance
tests for employees, that is fine with me. If they want to test for
drugs in my system which may remain from a time when I wasn't on duty
that is not their right.  Suppose my judgement is impaired cause I was
up all night watching old movies and I'm tired. Is there a test for
that too? The issue of concern is on the job performance not whether
or not you use drugs.

Peter Prevelige
Dept. of Biology
MIT
From: ajeans@hplred.HP.COM (Albert Jeans)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:12:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Flying a dog from Japan to USA.  Comments?
Organization: Hewlett Packard Labs, Palo Alto CA
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air

You might also want to consider how difficult it is to bring pets back into
Japan, if this is anticipated. I've heard horror stories of pets languishing
in the airport kennels for months, at no small expense to the owners. 
Evidentally, Japanese quarantine is stricter than the U.S.'s.
Xref: sparky rec.travel.air:4267 fj.rec.travel.air:239
From: narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: United Free Ticket Promotion
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:19:41 GMT
Reply-To: narayan@aravali.everest.tandem.com (Pankaj Narayan)
Distribution: na
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Cupertino CA

|> 
|> Even better, fly the 25 roundtrips the same day (one at a time, of course) and  
|> get the California-Plus bonuses: 1,000 miles for each same-day roundtrip plus  
|> free california flights for each 7 roundtrips. You will get 50,000 miles  
|> (another two domestic tickets and change). Plus you will become a premier  
|> member which would entitle you to even more perks.
|
That is not possible, since I remember that they have this saturday night stay
required thing on these tickets (in order to get credit). 
pankaj
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Tandem Computers
From: ringrose@fibula.ai.mit.edu (Robert Ringrose)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Seats closer together?
Keywords: n
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:19:13 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab


<climb on soapbox>
I'll grant, I have longer legs than most people.  But this summer, when I flew
to Chicago on American, I didn't even have room for my knees!  I spent the
entire flight with my legs in the aisle, feet getting run over by beverage
carts.
<climb off to make room for someone else>

Have the airlines moved their seats closer together?  It wasn't a problem last
year (good thing, since I was flying overseas then on the same airline).

Any suggestions?  I'm only 6'1", and many people are taller - how do _you_
handle this problem.

Don't bother suggesting that I write to them, I'm already planning on that.

	- Robert Ringrose
	  ringrose@ai.mit.edu

"There's always one more bu6"


	- Robert Ringrose
	  (ringrose@ai.mit.edu)

"There's always one more bu6."
From: nk01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (NIRANJAN R. KHASGINWALE)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: travel to manaus,brazil
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:53:35 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I am planning to go to manaus in december. Can somebody suggest travel agent
who can give me cheap airfares. The cheapest quote I have got till now from
JFK is $1100.
thanks
niranjan (nk01@cc.lehigh.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: naftaly@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)
Subject: Re: Oversea flight and assigned seats
Reply-To: naftaly@dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 17:02:02 GMT


In article <59830001@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com>, leonglaw@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Lawrence Leong) writes:
>In rec.travel.air, reb@Ingres.COM (Phydeaux) writes:
>
>|In article <1992Aug26.204455.5120@berlioz.nsc.com> my@laverde.nsc.com writes:
>|>Hello,
>|>	I would like to know if one can get a confirmed assigned 
>|>seat for oversea travel?  Some one told me that I have to get the
>|>seat assignment when I get to the airport when i fly.  Is that true?
>|
>|You can get a  seat assignment, but  you can't get  your boarding pass
>|until you get to the airport.
>|					reb
>
>Depending if the flight is a connecting one.  I have received the boarding 
>pass for the 2nd leg when I checked in for the first.  At the transit airport,
>I didn't have any formalities to go thru, just go head straiht for the gates
>when due.
>
>lawrence


Last June I flew from Denver to Tel-Aviv with TWA. In Denver I got my boarding
pass for the JFK to Tel-Aviv flight. In JFK all I have to do is board the plane.

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo)
Subject: ***Cheap One way Bos->Chi***
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:41:03 GMT



I have an America West Ticket into Midway Airport.
Its a female passanger, one way.
Sept. 11th, changeable.
$40.  
You couldnt ride your bike to chicago for that cheap!

Derek
Xref: sparky rec.travel.air:4246 soc.culture.taiwan:12391 soc.culture.korean:3922
From: eaeu228@orion.oac.uci.edu (Steven Wei Wu)
Subject: Re: Korean Airline flights unwelcome in Taiwanese Airspace, etc. [FWD]
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.korean
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:39:48 GMT

In article <BtIr9n.56J@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> jclei@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Lei) writes:
>In article <1992Aug24.220753.17430@ads.com> henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes:
>>claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) wrote: 
>>->2.	All Korean Airline flights would become unwelcome in Taiwanese
>>
>>this is, at best, a symbolic gesture.  it's not like it would take
>>more than five seconds for a korean airlines to fly around the
>>republic of china's airspace.
>>
>
>Yes, Korean Airline can still profit by flying around Taiwan without landing
>and asking her passengers to use parachute.  :))
>
>
>
>Jason
>
>
>
>-- 
>Jason Lei				|     
>Botany and Plant Pathology		|
>Purdue University			|	No fancy slogan found yet.
>W. Lafayette, IN, USA			|

I guess banning Korean Airline in Taiwanese air space will not do much damage
to South Korea. People can still travel in air lines other than Korean Airline.
Therefore, people can still take say JAL, United, Cathy Pacific to go from
Korea to other places. It's not enough if we really want to hurt them.
Roger Wu.