Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
Subject: Re: Proof Spike Lee is WHITE
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 11 Nov 92 14:22:26 GMT
Organization: EDS Unigraphics, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: crane

In article <1992Nov8.200357.27397@wetware.com>, drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
> rivero@mdcbbs.com (Michael Rivero) writes:
> 
> 
> Let us Ask ourselves:
> Would  Spike Lee Make a Good InfantryMen?
> Clearly ONLY if he were allowed to 'qualify' using the WomensStandards.
> Hence He does NOT fit Rivero's Clear Standard
> Hence Spike Lee has to be some White Guy.
> { there Might be a problem with Rivero's Standards....
> Or that Spike Lee Missed out in all of the Great Genetic Breeding... }
> 
> ciao
> drieux

  One of the hard things about discussions with drieuxjustdrieux is that
when everyone else is talking about large populations, drieuxjustdrieux
talks about individuals. When everyone else is taking about individuals,
drieuxjustdrieux talks about large populations.

  Let's try it another (non-white) way.

  Watusis are taller than Pygmies. This is biological fact. There just
might be a single Pygmy who is taller than a particular Watusi, but
the general rule will still hold, yes?
  
  When discussing the building of armies, we are talking mass numbers
of human beings. Spike Lee's particular stature isn't relevent because
he is a single individual from whom little can be deduced about the
whole genetic branch, anymore than we can use a black car theif to
make that generalization about that same genetic branch. Spike Lee, on the
other hand, is a good filmmaker (loved Hollywood Shuffle) but that is also
a trait that cannot be generalized.  Spike Lee has his place, but I doubt even
he thinks it's in a combat zone.

  Within that part of the population who are the descendents of
slaves, there is a tendancy for greater strength because the southern
slave owners created an environment which bred for strength, and in which
the weaker members often did not survive to reproduce. It is morally 
offensive that such brutal methods were applied to human beings, but
it did happen. The modern day descendants of those slaves are, on
average, taller and stronger than the descendants of those Africans
who stayed Africans (i.e. avoided the slave hunters). Remember the documentary
where Alex Haley, the author of "Roots", finally visited the village
of his ancestors along the Gambia River? He wasn't just taller than his
relatives, he towered over them far more than the difference in medical
care alone could account for.

  Now understand that I don't believe in the negative abuses of racism
or gender, to exclude or denigrate. I'm descended from people who
ran a station in the underground railroad to help fleeing slaves get into
Canada.  I do, however, believe in the race going to the swiftest
and the battle to the strongest and smarttest. I don't believe in
"leveling the playing field" because that's just discrimination in reverse.

  There are differences among people. There always will be; it's indemic
to the species. Some differences are genetic. Some are cultural. Some are 
the result of outside influences beyond all control.

  There is nothing wrong with people being different. In fact, it would
be extraordinarily boring were it otherwise. The idea of trying to force all
people to view each other as a ganderless, raceless, equal strength, equal
size, equal IQ, equal ability, neutral grey workmoduledrone, is that it's
doomed to failure but the utter absurdity of it all. Part of what makes being
with other humans so much fun is the infinite diversity of them all.
Why take that away?

  And there is nothing to say that racial generalzations are bad as
long as they are truthful. As un-PC as it may sound, the cold fact
is that, given a population of white people, and a population of black people,
and a little bit of sunlight, the whites will get skin cancer more 
often than the blacks! That's a hard reality which will not yield to 
political expediency (although a bottle of number 30 sunblock would 
help).  Is it racist (in the negative sense) to suggest white people
should stay out of the sun more because they are white? I don't
think so, it's just aknowledging a biological reality in this ozoneless
age. 



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