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From: roat@rrc.chevron.com (Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Donner Lake Triathlon
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:24:35 GMT
Reply-To: roat@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

John, thank you for posting a great description of the Donner Lake Triathlon.  This was my first tri in two years and what a way to start again.  I was one of those women regretting my decision to race as an age grouper instead of elite.  My time of 2:26.10 would have placed me 4th.  If I was closer to the elite women, I may have been able to push myself on the bike and finished even higher.  Oh well, next time.  I had a great time passing people on the bike and still enjoyed the scenery.  I agree that the

 swim was probably a little short.

Next race for me is World's Toughest.  What's everybody else doing?  What are the good races to do in the Bay area and within easy driving distance?  I just spent the last 2 years furiously writing a dissertation in Knoxville, TN so I've had my head buried in the sand when it comes to tri's.  Also new to the area here.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: william@kub.nl (William Verkooijen)
Subject: bike questions
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 07:17:46 GMT
Organization: KUB, The Netherlands


Hello,

I have some bike questions:

- When you have a road bike (with conventional frame geometry) and you
install a tri-clip-on-bar at an orginal race bar, usually you have to
adjust the distance between saddle and bar to achieve the easiest race
position. When having this done, the distance has become too small to ride
comfortable in the conventional position. What can be done to avoid
this situation?

- Which of the following options is recommendable for a tri-bike (and why?):

 (a) a real tri-bike with the steep angle frame
 (b) a conventional race bike adjusted with a tri-saddle post and a
 clip on tri-bar



Thanks,

William Verkooijen
E-mail: william@kub.nl
From: neil@cato.robots (& Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Handlebars
Date: 23 Jul 92 11:32:09 GMT
	<1992Jul22.230258.23015@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Distribution: uk
Organization: None evident here.
In-reply-to: schabert@spieden.Stanford.EDU's message of 22 Jul 92 23:02:58 GMT


In this weeks Cycling Weekly there's an advert on page 31 for a
"bio-quarterro" handle-bar made by 3T. As someone who's trying to
piece together a bike which would be suitable for both `pure' cycling
and (once I've got the hang of swimming) triathlons, I wondered if any
of the cyclists/triathletes had any comment on them.

They're a bit hard to draw, so here's a rough attempt:
 
      o  <- forearm pad   
   \----                
      |----             /--o-
      |                    |
   wheel                   |
                        \--o-
  side view                  top view

This doesn't really capture them: Every angle you can think of is
adjustable, as well as a length or two. The forearm pads are a
shoulder width apart but the handle bars are tri-bar close. The idea
is to be relatively aerodynamic in a position which is also very
ergonomic.

I've set the distribution to uk. If you know that they're also
available elsewhere, please change it. If they've already been
discussed, sorry, but I couldn't find any references.

NewT
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From: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Dave Scotts Book
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:55:40 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

As per a few newbes request(I am a newbe also -well not really but close)
anyway Here is the publishers info on Daves book:

Title-Dave Scotts Triathlon Training
author- Dave Scott
        Five Time Ironman World Champion
published by-Simon + Schuster

My opinion on the book: Great for beginners-no dout but if you have
done a couple of events then don't spend the money. I did enjoy the physiolgy
section and the diet section also. Biking section was o.k. but remember
this book came out in 86 I belive.     

Someone mentioned that Scott Tinley had a little bit more advanced book
out but I haven't made it to the mall lately but I will this weekend.
Anyone have that publishers info in case I need to order it? Any other
reccomendations?

Well there ya go guys- I think you will enjoy it I did.Happy Training!!!

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From: richd@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rich Davis)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:42:04 GMT
Subject: New Kid on the Block
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon

** NET NEWS ALERT **** NET NEWS ALERT **** NET NEWS ALERT **** NET NEWS ALERT**

                  A serious heads-up for men ages 35-39

   Larry Chapman alias "Badge", just moved up to the 35-39 age group, turning
   35 yesterday (July22).  

   Many in this notes group are probably familiar with Larry and may know
   him for his many contributions and frequent postings.  Mr. Chapman is
   probably best known for soliciting occaisional triathlon trivia questions,
   although it's been quite some time since we've seen one of these postings.

   Perhaps his greatest strength to the group is his rock solid command of 
   the rules surrounding the sport. He has chaired the TriFed rules committee
   for years, and is always open to the suggestions I give him.  I remember
   one rule change in particular he was very receptive to, the "RC" rule.
   Basically stating: Give RC a 5 minute head start for international dist.
   events, 10 min. for 1/2 ironman, and 20 min. for full ironman distances. 

   Seriously, what does this mean you ask to the 35-39 men? Why should I care,
   you say?  Well let me help put this in perspective:  Chapman brings a 
   wealth of multi-sport experience to this age (almost 50 events), and is
   a potential threat to consume all the water at aid stations along the
   run course.   

   So if you see Larry lining up next to you in your next event, (he's short
   and very hairy), make sure you beat him to the aid stations, he's a 
   serious threat.

-RC
From: william@kub.nl (William Verkooijen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: training scheme
Date: 21 Jul 92 07:26:09 GMT
Organization: KUB, The Netherlands

Hello,

I have just started training for 1/4 triathlons. My swimming capacity
is the worst of the three elements (swimming, biking, and running).
Now I am asking for a training scheme (especially for swimming) to
reach an acceptable level (about just below 20 minutes for 1 km
swimming). I am interested in an overall training scheme too.

If there are other things a novice must know let me know !

Thanks for your advice,
 
William Verkooijen
E-mail: william@kub.nl
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: evanderw@mpr.ca (Eva Vanderwerf)
Subject: Panorama Classic Triathlon
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: bc
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 19:47:09 GMT

HI,
	Does anyone have the results sheet of the Panorama Classic Triathlon
	held in Victoria/Sydney BC on June 7?  If you could mail or 
	fax it to me, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks!!
Eva

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: ceclybur@unity.ncsu.edu (Clinton E. Clyburn)
Subject: Triple Falls Tri 
Organization: North Carolina State University Project Unity
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:05:41 GMT

Just wanted to report on a tri I did this weekend, the Hendersonville, NC Triple
Falls Triathlon. Nestled in the NC mountains, the Dupont nature area made a beautiful backdrop for the race. Unfortunately, the mountains also took a bite out of everyone's legs on the bike.

The .5 mile swim was nice save for the 45 min. delay waiting for the fog to lift. A nice point was the small waves of 11 people for the 250 count field. The elites in the first wave got pissed badly when a kayaker blocked their path midway through the swim and made them backtrack to swim around a bouy which had no significance in the course.

Glad I brought the 12-28 just in case. The entry stated the bike course included " gently rolling hills with a few curves for the challenger's delight." Right!
Somehow those of us from the flatlands do not call a 4 mile, 10-11% grade climb 'gentle' but I will admit the 11 miles of climbing in the 20 mile bike course was challenging! Seems since the event was held on Sunday and the old course passed a local church, the course was altered at the last minute to avoid traffic.

The 5.5 mile run was probably the most fun I have had in a tri. It was conducted through the forest on a muddy 4-wheel drive trail. The run was full of short steep climbs and the mud, rocks, and branches ensured you would not go at full pace. More so, it was seeing who could stay vertical the longest. Two 30 ft. creeks had to be traversed with water almost to the knee. Nothing like running up a muddy hill after sloshing through water and your shoes weigh an extra 2 lbs. But it was a blast! Some people fell


 when going through the creeks, others just dove in.

I think the winning men's time was somewhere in the 1:37 range and to everyone's astonishment, the top woman was less than a minute behind! (ahead of the second place male and virtually destroying the rest of the women's field (by approx. 10 minutes!))

Maybe I'll install that triple chainring for next year...

Kip Clyburn
ceclybur@unity.ncsu.edu


(Bruce, some of your guys came up for Atlanta to do this one. Didn't catch their names but they rode Diamondback TG's and drove a new black Nissan Maxima if that helps...)
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From: praetzel@marconi.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: "Waxing" a chain / Disc wheel covers
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:35:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.181548.20658@den.mmc.com> jpringle@den.mmc.com (James E. Pringle) writes:
>
>Could someone explain the advantages/disadvantages to "waxing" a chain as opposed to oiling it (I use "Tri-flow").  I realize that by using wax instead of oil, you won't get oil on everything that touches the chain.  I am more interested in performance.
  Wow.  You really out to find that carriage return key sometime.  I love the
pine-tar type stuff that is on new Shimano chains but have not found anything
like it anywhere.  I use Phil Woods oil generally (the commuter gets 90 gear
lube oil).  I have tried waxing but find that it has to be redone after every
ride (about 100km).  The commerical waxes have lubricants mixed in because
wax is not a good lubricant in cases like this.
  The lubricant is not needed on the gears or the outside of the chain so just
wipe the chain clean every now and then and you will find it more livable.  The
only function of the oil is to lubricate the internals of the chain.  If you
check out the wreck.bicycling FAQ (whenever it comes around) you will find a
whole section on waxing (and how useless it is) and how oiling is a good method
but it is just as important to keep the grit out of the chain by doing a good
cleaning with a solvent and not one of those clipon "cleaners".  If I remember
it was submitted by Jobst Brandt (of The Bicycle Wheel fame) and he will post
a reply to most technical questions.

>Also, I have seen wheel covers advertised in magazines and catalogs for around $50 (Stealth Uni Disc).  Has anyone had any experience with these covers? Do they offer any performance improvements (decreased drag?), or are they just a scam trying to cash in on the success of true disc wheels?
  Clipons work well; probably as well as a J-Disk but I have not seen the test
results of a J-Disk.  I have covers but never use them for club events because
the handi-capping scheme works against me and when I ride with my friends it
does not matter what I have (unless its a motor); they will kill me every which
way.  Just like last night.  My pulse is going from 170 ... 180 ... 187 and
my friend just keeps accelerating as I try to keep on drafting him.  If you
are fast covers/disks will make proportionally more difference but your main
limitation is genetic.
  - Eric 
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From: tohall@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Dave Hall (Sverdrup))
Subject: Re: Big event in Cleveland?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: cleveland nationals
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 30 Jul 1992 08:05 EST  

In article <1992Jul28.221153.26554@leland.Stanford.EDU>, schabert@spieden.Stanford.EDU (Vernon Schabert) writes...
>Dylan Wilbanks writes:
> 
>>I was wondering - I heard there's supposed to be a big triathlon in 
>>Cleveland on Sunday. What is it? Who's favored?
> 
>That would be the amateur championships race.  I think it's called the
>NCC Triathlon Championships, and is part of a three-race series that
>also includes the Chicago Sun-Times "World's Largest" Triathlon, being
>held on August 29th.  Don't expect many pros to be at this race (if they
>even have a pro division), as this is the same day as the Bud Light
>Chicago triathlon, much to the consternation of amateurs who enjoy the
>Bud Light series. 
           << Stuff deleted >>


Actually, they have scheduled a separate pro division "Race of champions".
Our local newsrag claims Mike Pigg, Paula Newby Fraser and Rip Esselstyn (sp?)
will compete along with lots of others. The course for the pros will be an
interesting one. The bike and run legs will be held on a 1.5 mile closed
loop course to allow spectators to watch more easily. The pros will race
AFTER the amateur and relay divisons.

     This year, my company will sponsor 3 relay teams. I will be riding for the
'B' team, hoping to improve on my last-year bike time of 56:08. Our 'A' team 
will be challenging the Omni-fitness center squad, which has posted the 
fastest relay time every year since the inception of the race.



                          Adios!


Organization: Administrative Systems, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 17:16:29 -0400 
From: "Thomas J. Joyce" <tj06+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Tinley's book ok

I have this book. Its ok in that it passes along a lot of personal
experiences. I like to think of it as a "quality" book rather than
a "quantity" book. I thought he'd mention a lot more about diet than
he did. His basic advise here is "you know what's good for you" and
"there are other books out there that explain diet/nutrition better".

I'd give it a 7 on a 10-scale.

Tom Joyce
Carnegie-Mellon University, Administrative Systems
Tom.Joyce@CMU.EDU

Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner)
Subject: Re: Wetsuits
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:25:30 GMT

Some suggestions on wetsuit wear:

1) Pull as much slack as you can up to your shoulders.  You need all
the room as you can get for maximum movement in the upper body.

2) Try some lubrication around the neck.

3) Practice with it!  Be warned, though, that chlorine is worse on
neoprene than is salt water, so don't use it in the pool too often.

4) I took my wetsuit to a scuba shop and had ankle zippers put in.
This makes it much easier to get it off my feet.

5) Start taking it off as soon as you stand up after the swim.  Continue
running until you get the wetsuit off your arms and stripped to the waist.
At this point, if the transition area is still a long way off, STOP AND
TAKE OFF THE WETSUIT!  That is, if you have a support person who can
gather it for you.  I did a tri last year in which I was first out of the
water, with a pretty reasonable lead.  There was a ~400yd beach run to
the transition area (ouch!).  I ran most of it with the wetsuit around
my waist (and on my legs), which is not very conducive to fast running.
The next person out of the water (who is a much faster runner than I)
took his off as soon as he could, and beat me onto the bike (by 5 yards).

6) If you are wearing the wetsuit when you get to your bike, try sitting
down!  I bring a milk crate with a towel over it.  I and a friend are
sometimes wobbly at this point.

7) Enjoy going faster.  Last year I did two 1500m (long course) trials in
one week; the first without the suit (~22:00), the second with my new
suit (~20:15).  You can gain 5-10% in speed, depending on how good a
swimmer you are (the better, the less gain).
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From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: The Standard Bike (was Arm air foils...)
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 20:02:32 GMT

In article <5549@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>, roat@rrc.chevron.com
(Suzanne Roat,Chevron,(510)242-5313) writes:
|> How about standardizing the bike used in a triathlon?  It would cost say
|> $500.  Everybody must use the exact same bike in their size.  No
|> modifications could be made.  Under this scheme, we would all be competing
|> on the same turf.  The harder you train, the faster you will go on the
|> standard bike.  Every 3 years the bike gets updated and we all have to
|> buy a new one.  I for one would vote for no disk wheels - to heavy anyway,
|> aero bars, standard bike racking feature - no more goof balls taking up
|> three spaces on the bike racks, and clipless p
|>
|>  And none of this armband wing garbage or helmets with tail fins on them
|> or any other crap like that.  Just you, the standard bike, a bathing suit,
|> bike shorts (optional), plain old shoes, and a plain old helmet.
|>
|>What do the folks in ether land think of this idea?  Asbestos underwear on
|> - flame away.
|>
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|>Suzanne Roat				Phone:	(510) 242-5313 Voice 
|>Chevron Research and Technology Company		(510) 242-4647 FAX
|>100 Chevron Way				Email:	roat@rrc.chevron.com
|>Richmond, CA  94802-0627
|>
  
Hmmmm, this won't do at all.  I mean, what's a yuppy tri-geek to do if
he/she can't spend their yuppy bucks on the latest tri-toy?             
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From: schabert@spieden.Stanford.EDU (Vernon Schabert)
Subject: Re: Big event in Cleveland?
Keywords: cleveland nationals
Organization: Psychology Dept, Stanford Univ.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 22:11:53 GMT

Dylan Wilbanks writes:

>I was wondering - I heard there's supposed to be a big triathlon in 
>Cleveland on Sunday. What is it? Who's favored?

That would be the amateur championships race.  I think it's called the
NCC Triathlon Championships, and is part of a three-race series that
also includes the Chicago Sun-Times "World's Largest" Triathlon, being
held on August 29th.  Don't expect many pros to be at this race (if they
even have a pro division), as this is the same day as the Bud Light
Chicago triathlon, much to the consternation of amateurs who enjoy the
Bud Light series.  As far as age groups, expect Andrew Kelsey and Ryan
Huckaby to finish 1-2 (or 2-1) in the men's 20-24 age group.  Either
this age group or the men's 25-29 is bound to turn in the fastest
overall time for the race if there is no pro division.

I'm unfamiliar with the top athletes outside my own age group, so
perhaps other netters could provide suggestions on other race favorites.

Vernon Schabert
schabert@psych.stanford.edu
From: kruemp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (John Kruempelstaedter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Where's the traffic?
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:00:58 GMT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server

/ hpcc01:rec.sport.triathlon / ccoprbm@prism.gatech.EDU (bruce mccullough) /  6:50 am  Jul 16, 1992 /
Since I've found some time to post I thought I would ask why the traffic
in this group is so low? Is it the time of year or always like this?

-- 
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Office of Information Technology  | "Look into the book of mirrors and find 
Georgia Institute of Technology   | all the knowledge you will ever need to  
Internet: ccoprbm@prism.gatech.edu| know". -    The Teacher              
----------
I think you've just answered your own question.  If it was hard for
you to find time to post........ A lot of us have full time jobs,
familys etc. that we have to squeeze in between training sessions.
To read and post stuff in mid season may just be asking a bit much
but we do tri :-).    

John K.

PS.  Read back a little bit and you'll see this was brought up
before.  (not meant in a bad way)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks)
Subject: Big event in Cleveland?
Keywords: cleveland nationals
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:13:35 GMT

I'm not a triathlete, and don't normally post here. Please don't flame
me.

I was wondering - I heard there's supposed to be a big triathlon in 
Cleveland on Sunday. What is it? Who's favored?

Thanks.
-- 
Dylan Wilbanks, Classics major, AND NOW Environmental Conservation!
"Look! An X-man movie's coming out!"          |Currently at:
c.10 year old in a Tulsa movie theater,       |Box 1143
looking at a poster for _Malcolm X_           |Boulder, CO 80306
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From: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Subject: Re: U.S. Swim & Fitness Triathlon
Reply-To: passier@bmerh9a1.BNR.CA (Chris Passier)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 12:31:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.171921.19503@pwcs.stpaul.gov>, chrisl@stpaul.gov
(Chris A Lyman) writes:
|>The biggest multi-sport race in Minnesota, no question, is the U.S. Swim &
|>Fitness Triathlon which is held at Lake Nokomis in Minneapolis.  There are
|>1500 to 1700 participants 'tri-ing' either the International distance (1.2
|>km swim, ~35 km bike, ~8 km run) or the short distance (~600m swim, ~17 km
|>bike, ~4 km run) courses.  In addition, there is prize money; $17,000 of it
|>to draw top pros like Scott Molina, Colleen Cannon, Rob Mackle, Donna Peters,
|>Carol Montgomery, Brad Kearns and many others out of the woodwork in search
|>of a nice payday.  I'll bypass the suspense;  Mark Bates (a Canadian, I
|>believe) and Carol Montgomery took overall honors,        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^^^^

Yup!, everyone should be more familiar with Mark, Carol, and some of the
other Canadian team members, after this year's World Championships in
Muskoka!

|>
|>-- 
|>Chris Lyman - email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov  /   "I belong to no organized
|>#include <std_disclaimers>                   /   political party.  I am a
|>R.O.a.C.H   --   charter member              /   Democrat." -- Will Rogers

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