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From: anuchit@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Anuchit Anuchitanukul)
Subject: Re: On salary of S&T Manpower
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:11:40 GMT

In article <13OCT199212223544@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>they chose to address the problem of too few graduates by allowing most
>of the colleges which used to be low-standard technical colleges, to call
>themselves universities.  The result is that these establishments have
>the appearance of universities without the quality, but will soon be
>pouring large numbers of under-qualified graduates onto the job markets.

That's exactly what happens in Thailand in the past few years.  (I guess
many people know the minister in the past cabinets who is responsible for 
this.) 

>While I hesitate to say anything complimentary about Germany, it is worth
>pointing out here that the word "engineer" is actually a legally protected
>word there, and no-one can call him/herself an engineer unless he holds
>a degree specificaly approved by the ONE institute in Germany that 
>oversees the quality of engineers.  

In Thailand, there is also a similar institute by which all engineers
in certain fields, e.g. Civil Eng (those which involve in public safety),
must be approved.  Even with this institute, there are still many problems.
   1) Many people are approved autometically when graduated,
   2) The goverment will probably force the insititute to lower 
      or ease the standard so that the large number of engineers can
      pass and be approved to work.  Otherwise, it will be no point
      producing so many engineers. 
   3) The institute is recently attacked from a newspaper that it fails
      to understand (& catch up with) the changes in technology.  For
      example, mechanical, civil, and many others engineers can easily
      obtain an approval to work as an environmental engineer.  Not 
      so long time ago, an engineer could be approved to work as a 
      mechanical, civil and electical engineer at the same time (buy one
      get two free!).
   4) Many (new) fields are not controlled by the institute. 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Oct. 2516 and May 2535.  Forgive and forget.
Date: 12 Oct 92 00:36:10 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada


        Let us forgive and forget the October 2516 and May 2535 events and
begin our new lives (I mean, waiting for a new such event to come and then
forgive and forget again).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann)
Subject: Re: S&T Manpower in Asia
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	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 06:16:42 GMT

In article <seolIDu00WBK03r0ZT@andrew.cmu.edu> sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Schitt Laowattana) writes:
>
>               Scientists & Engineers       Scientists & Engineers who do R&D
>               ______________________       _________________________________
>                
>            per 10,000    per 10,000        per 10,000    per 10,000
>            population    labour            population    labour
>
>Country        
>
>Bankladesh    8.5          15.2               0.2          0.4
>China        48.5          85.4              20.6         36.2
>India        11.6          21.0               0.4          0.6
>Indonesia     7.3          13.8               0.6          1.1
>Japan        49.6          77.6              29.4         46.0
>Korea        24.4          40.5               5.3          7.1
>Malysia      17.5          28.0               0.6          1.0
>Napal         1.8           3.4               0.4          0.8
>Pakistan     15.5          30.2               0.6          1.3
>Philipin     26.9          50.5               8.4         15.6
>SriLanka      5.8          10.0               1.0          1.7
>Thailand      4.8           9.1               1.4          2.7
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Source    :    APCTT(1986) searched from ESCAP(1986)
>
>
>Posted by
>
>Schitt(DJ)  Laowattana

For some equally interesting statistics plus report
do read the article in comp.research.japan on the
South-East Asia Regional Computer Conf. KL 1992.

The numbers above seems to be a little different
but it could be due to the different definition 
of Scientists and Engineers.

For a good read on the Pacific Century/Pacific-Rim, read the 
Oct 5, 1992 Fortune magazine special report. 


Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: wtuntaw@jordan.utah.edu (Wisanu Truntawiroon)
Subject: Re: world
Organization: University of Utah
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 22:50:49 GMT

>>Does anyone else agree with me that Schitt's postings are getting a bit
>>boring and seem unconnected with any threads on this group, other than
>>Schitt.  If this goes on I shall have to post my entire PhD thesis.
 
>>Laurence
 
 
>         Khun Schitt's postings might not be interesting for you, but I'm
>sure they would be for many Thais who wanted to see how a good thing will be
>developed in the future of our country. At least, his postings are not to
>destroy the image of our society. 
 
>        If you don't find his postings interesting, disregard them. 
 
>         Which one is more boring?..One that is trying to improve our
>society, or one that contains negative ideas toward our people and society?.
 
 	Please use Email.....

Wisanu Tuntawiroon (wtuntaw@mines.utah.edu )

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: low class
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 23:27:00 GMT

In article <92284.171833U25256@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U25256@uicvm.uic.edu>                    writes...
>OPTIONS: ACK    LOG    LONG     NOTEBOOK ALL
> 
> 
> 
> 
>Date: 10 October 1992 16:58:50 CDT
>From: <U25256@UICVM>
>To:          godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
>In-Reply-To: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:07:00 GMT
>Subject:     Re: Re: low class
> 
>Now you're talking shit about the U.S. If money does not classify classes
>in Brit. then what does. From what I understand, 1) England is another
>Beirut (what causing it??????). 2) And if there's no corruption or bribe
>in England then you should go see this movie about YOUR Royal family
>which was aired on CBS or NBC, just a couple weeks ago. And you probably
>won't be able to see this movie in your country (and I wonder why??)
> 
>> In article <LEVIS.92Oct5085505@mohr.iesd.auc.dk>, levis@iesd.auc.dk (Tommy Lar
>>>In article <1OCT199216562454@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE
>>>
>>>>>    Money is not a mean for judging everything.
>>>
>>>>   In England too, low class has nothing to do with money, and has to do wit
>>>>   what the English like to call "breeding".  It is only in the US that clas
>>>>   and money are interchangeable words.
>>>
>>>>   Laurence
>>>
>>>From how I understand the word breeding, Prince Charles' Diana isn't
>>>upper class, but still she is royal.  Can this be so, or did I
>>>misunderstand you.  If I didn't, then I'd say that in England too,
>>>money is a measure of class.
>>>
>>>- Tommy
>>>--
>>>
>>>          /\__         /\__\__\__\  /\__   /\__  /\__  /\__\__\__\
>>>            \__          \__     /    \__    \__   \__   \__     /
>>>             \__          \__\__\      \__    \__   \__   \__\__\__
>>>              \__          \__  /       \__    \__   \__  /     /\__
>>>               \__\__\__\   \__\__\__\  /  \__\__     \__  /\__\__\__
>>>               /        /   /        /     /    /     / /   /       /
>>>
>>>                  Tommy Larsen, Sonjavej 58, 9000 Aalborg, Denmark.
>>>
>>>                                 levis@iesd.auc.dk
>>
>> I'm afraid you do misunderstand.  Firstly, Diana most certainly is upper
>> class, having come from a family of aristocrats.  Secondly, while
>> explaining the traditional English concept of class, I didn't mean
>> to imply that I sanctioned that kind of snobishness.  Class in England
>> does not have to do with money, as I said it has to do with breeding, and
>> breeding depends on things like where you went to school, where your father
>> went to school, the important people you and he went to school with etc.
>> Certainly having money helps, but it is not a requirement
>>
>> L
>>

There's something wrong with the poster from university of chicago, who
seems unable to comprehend anything.  I cannot be bothered to explain
this again, perhaps someone else can

Laurence

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr))
Subject: Re: a story from Thailand
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:18:35 GMT

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
: 
: I post a story from Chiang Mai which is a few years out of date now.

Why? What is your point? : 
: 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: pxu8785@usl.edu (Uthayopas Putchong)
Subject: Re: Thai movies
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:03:26 GMT

In article <Bw3DHA.Gnv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong) writes:
>	I blame on the quality of fiction production in Thailand from which
>the origin the movies are based on. In Thailand, many writers are willing
>to write a small episode to be published in weekly magazine, e.g. Bangkok,
>SukunThai, TanTawan, and the likes. Hence, the plot is naturally unplanned.
>It could go as far as the fans still enjoy. The whole pocket book of a 
>complete story is inconceivable even at this computer age. Most writers 
>often recollect parts of their writing in volume, after the last episode
>was published in their contracted magazines. 
>
>All these are stemmed from my own observation. Comments are welcomed.
>
>Samart Srijumnong
>Champaign, Illinois
>October 13, 1992.
>

I think that not all of the fiction is bad. I agree with you about the 
low quality fiction. But this is happen even with the "Farang" novel too.
For example, if you read some stories of Babara Cartland, you can predict 
that 
	1. The Actress ( Nang Eak) is younger than 19.
	2. The Actor   ( Phra Eak) is older than 30 or at less 15 year
           older than actress.
	3. The actress is a kind of innocense girls which alway face
           the adventure or have problems ( fathaer is dead, no money)
	4. The actor is very rich and many girls like him. But he is too
           pround of himself.
        5. They will met and at first the actress must Hate Phra eak.
        6. BIG HAPPY ENDING..............
Many stories use such a repetitive pattern.

I found a lot of thai novel is in the level that can compare to the
western classic literature. For example, "See Phan Din" ( Four period)
is great. You can learn a lot of history, cultural that effect thai ways
of life. I like "Prissana" series too. It show something about the thai
life in the 2490 period. Some writer produce good quality work. 
The problem is that producer of movies overlook this novel. 

Putchong Uthayopas.
From: tstil@auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: mailing list
Date: 14 Oct 1992 12:54:43 +1000
Organization: Mail/News gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: munnari.oz.au

sawatdee khrap,

can i join this mailing list?

khawp khun khrap

tim stilwell
technical support engineer
auspex systems inc.
santa clara, ca u.s.a.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: rujikorn@wam.umd.edu (Rujikorn Dhanawittayapol)
Subject: test
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: csc
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:23:05 GMT

This is a test.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: pxu8785@usl.edu (Uthayopas Putchong)
Subject: Re: On salary of S&T Manpower
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:42:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.204346.28228@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> suntich@ee.msu.edu writes:
>In article <oeqOedq00WBKM2c28c@andrew.cmu.edu>, Schitt Laowattana <sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>.........................[ stuff deleted].............................
>|> 
>|> >    Thirdly, According to the statistic on S&T manpower, some engineers will
>|> > be unemployed. Probably the demand is much less than the supply. Do you
>|> > think that the government will not take any action regarding to the high
>|> > pay of future instructors? Probably, give us less pay to employ more people.
>|> 
>|> [Schitt]
>|> 
>|>     The right solution is to increase demand.
>|> 
>
>     - As well as decrease excessive supply.
>
>-----
Today, government try to push the university to increase the supply of
engineer due to the current shortage. This lead to a lot of problem

	1. Due to limited resources and instructor , you can not guarantee
the quality of engineer from government university any more.
	2. Once they increase the supply when it excessive, it hard to
cut down the change. Government organiztion structure is very slow in
respond to changing situation.

I think that the government should not increase a lot of supply. Their function
is to produce the qualified engineering as a reference of the quality of
Thai engineer. And another important thing is to improve the quality of newly
graduated student. Left the private engineer school produce another engineer,
but apply a tighter control to the quality seem to be the best way to me.
I do agree with Arjarn Schitt that the best way is to increase demand and job
and growth of industry.

>Montree Suntichaikul
>
>suntich@ee.msu.edu

Putchong Uthayopas
From: sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Schitt Laowattana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: cmsg cancel <QeqCqX200UhW84BmNA@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:29:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.0eqQDjm00WBL04SVIX
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Dear netters,

    Please ignore my message with above id number.

Thanks,
Schitt  Laowattana
From: v054nh3r@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (William Chantaduly)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Is Thailand All Politics?
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:08:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>I am a student at Penn State University, and I just happened to find this
>netnews file in my menu.  I was born in Thailand to a Thai mother and a
>"farang" father.  The only thiing I know about Thailand is what my mother
>tells me of it, what I see on the news, and now what I read on my computer.
>All I hear about is politics and demonstrations and uproars in a country I
>was taken away from when I was still a child.  I was wondering if anyone was
>intrested in posting some cultural or aesthetic subjects so that I and
>others can learn of them from your knowledge.  Of course, I know Thai
>economics and politics are very important, but how about something different
>and maybe a little pleasant.  I would like to hear from anyone who is
>interested in some of the more finer things of Thailand (religion, art,
>music, festivals, holidays).  --Liz Rumsey, University Park


I definitely agree with what is being said here.  I read this newsgroup
whenever I can and all I see are discussions on poloitics.  I am a student at
the University of Buffalo and I would also like to here about other topics
concerning Thai aspects.  I was born in Thailand and would like to learn more
about it.  
                                             William Chantaduly
                                             (V054NH3R@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU)
From: cslac2209@bestsd.sdsu.edu (UNALOME TECHAMUANVIVIT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Our KING birthday
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:24:00 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University - Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <1992Oct14.055427.16591@usl.edu>, pxu8785@usl.edu (Uthayopas Putchong)               writes...
>Dear Netter,
> 
>This December 5, 1992 is our king birthday. I love and respect our
>king very much. And I think that every Thai people share the same 
>feeling. I think that we should do something for this great event.
>Why don't we wrote some letter to show our feeling of love and respect
>for him ? Everyone can sign ( attach the email address ) and have 
>someone to manage to send it to thailand and to our king. 
>My english is not good. My capability is limited. We still have time
>about 1-2 month to accomplish this. So, I raise this topic to S.C.T
>to call for someone who willing to organize this .
> 
>Thank you very much for your attention. I really dream to see this
>little thing done for our king.
> 
>Putchong Uthayopas
> 
> 

   Sawasdee Kha :)

	Count me in! 

	It is next to impossible to find any existing words that precisely
describe my love and respect for our king.  And I know in my heart that 
there are many other Thai people sharing similar feeling. 

	What a wonderful idea you have, khun Putchong!

   Unalome Techamuanvivit
   cslac2209@bestsd.sdsu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: pxu8785@usl.edu (Uthayopas Putchong)
Subject: Re: Just another thought
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Distribution: soc.culture.thai
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 05:27:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.155012.20050@news2.cis.umn.edu> bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu () writes:
>
>A while ago, one of us mentioned about the danger of a very rapid
>deforestation in our country.  Here is just an opinion from a person with
>no experience in science and agriculture like me.
>I've recently seen many documents pointing many advantages of marijuana. 
>It's known to be an excellent source to make paper, cclothings,
>furnitures, cooking oil, alternative fuels, madizines, etc.  Also
>marijuana grows almost in any climate without much attention from farmers
>
The bad thing is that people don't want to use it to produce paper,
clothing, cooking oil. They use it another dangerous way. No way to
control it

>Another thought I've had is that Thailand should skip all toxic and
>waistful type of industry that most western countries have been through. 
>Instead, we should use many alternative, new age approach, such as, a
>hightech and environmentally sound food and health industry.  I think we
>should take advantage of having one of the most fertile lands in the world
>in a more constructive way.

This idea is good. But the problem is that to construct the non- toxic
factory is very expensive. I don't think that Thailand can afford it.
But environmenttal concern should me more important in that society 
than today. The thing I like about US is their awareness about environ-
mental problem. They preserve the big tree while the build the building.
In thailand we start a building site by cutting all of the trees.
Who can explain the reason they do this to me ?

Putchong Uthayopas
From: emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: RE: world
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:12:04 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

Dear Laurence:
        I personaly ok with any posting.  I also welcome your Ph.D. thesis
From: gt4458c@prism.gatech.EDU (John Stephens Cronin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Money Money Money
Date: 15 Oct 92 07:18:19 GMT
Organization: Common Container Liberation Front

In article <14OCT199213133974@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>In article <14OCT92.10294024@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca              writes...
>
>>                                Money is not the most important
>> 
>>                                        Bunlur Emaruchi
>
>
>Not to those who already have it, no.  But to those that do not,
>it is extremely important

I disagree.  Often those who have a lot of it seem to be obsessed with
piling up more of it and very reluctant to spend any of it.  Perhaps this
is because the habits which made them wealthy die hard, perhaps it is just
obsession.  An example is the independent US presidential candidate, Ross
Perot.  He hired a very respected campaign manager, and pledged to spend
$50,000,000 to $100,000,000 of his own money (over $1,000,000,000 total)
to run his campaign.  Yet, his campaign manager quit because he refused to
spend $100,000 for the production of a TV commercial.  His campaign manager
had produced some very effective commercials for Ronald Reagan's campaign,
so he knew what he was doing.

Also, many people who don't have money, but do have wisdom, accept the
fact and money is not very important in their lives.  I used to want to
be filthy rich (where does that term come from, anyway?) but I have
realized that there is no amount of money which could make me happy.  I
would be the first to admit that a little extra money would make life a
bit easier, but I think that having a lot of money might actually make
life harder.  I have not owned a car in the last 6 years, and while I
would certainly like to have one, right now I spend 0 time fixing one,
maintaining one, worrying about the insurance, the licenses, etc.  EVERY
situation has some advantages and some disadvantages.  I certainly expect
that I will lead a solid middle class life at some point, but right now
I am willing to accept the freedom that being a poor student (poor in terms
of money, not ability) provides.

John Cronin

"Lighten up, you're gonna die whether you have fun or not"

"Live each day as if it is your last, because some day you'll be right."
From: cooneys@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Godfree's World
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:43:03 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <92284.134854U25256@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U25256@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> Yes, I agree with you, man. Professor Schit's posting is getting kind
> of boring. So..., why don't you post it up? I would love to read your
> phd feces or fetus.

Who is this anonymous and nasty-sounding person signing on 
from Chicago? Do some systems allow anonymous postings? Why, 
except for shame, would someone omit signing his or her 
name?

(BTW, Khun Schitt's postings weren't intersting to me, but I 
see no need publicly to say so at the cost of hurting 
people's feelings gratuitously! And obviously they will 
interest *some* readers, however few.)

				Seamus Cooney