HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu(Barry Trottier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Most important stat in the '9er/Falcon game
Date: 12 Nov 1992 09:08:21 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Nov10.233343.27214@netcom.com> xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)  
writes:
> For the Falcons:
> 
> points scored:  3
> turnovers:      6
> 
> Any team that turns the ball over twice as often as the *total* of their
> points scored is pretty much meat.  Must be time for me to go bet on
> Phoenix (underdogs????) for next week.   :-)

Imigine if the Falcons had scored 7 points, they would have had 14 turnovers!  
:) :)

------------
Go Niners!
Go Elway!

Barry Trottier
e-mail:  trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Falcons
Organization: Amgen
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 17:33:33 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.051606.13577@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:
> 
> Jerry Rice caught TD pass #98, but other than that he was quiet.
> 

He may seem quiet in some games, but what value can you put on the attention he
draws from the opposing defense by just BEING out there?  The distraction
factor alone makes him invaluable...just wait until John Taylor comes back...

> Mike Cofer was two for two on field goal attempts. He is now 11-16
> on the year. He deserves a lot of credit for withstanding the abuse
> he suffered earlier this year.

Gotta agree with you there...he has really come around in the midst of bad
circumstances.
 
> Strange game for Young. He was 12-18 for only 143 yards, but he had
> three TD passes. Also, he was stuffed almost every time he tried to run
> the ball.

You should look at his runs a little more carefully.  He turned several would
have been sacks into gains of 5 and 6 yards.  His reactions are incredible...
not only did he run several times, but it seemed like he took hard hits for it
every time, and he just kept coming...
 
> I may be wrong on this, but I don't think the 49ers were penalized a
> single time in the game. In any case, they were penalized very infrequently,
> which is a big plus.

I think they had a holding call which made for a 1st and 20 on the Falcon 30,
but Young scrambled for 15 to wipe out that penalty...

All in all, not exactly a stellar game, but they got it done. I know the final
score, but it was turnovers that really killed the Falcons.  Now, if we can
put away those pesky Saints next week...

> Oh, and the "California Trophy" was nowhere to be found.
> 
> =============================================================================
> Bob Marshall                     \\     "Women aren't as smart as they
> Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     think they are; they think we
> Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    men know a lot more than we
> marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   really do."
> "I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Tim the Toolman
> =============================================================================
> 

Chris S.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jeffr@ssec.wisc.edu (Jeff Ramin)
Subject: Re: Most Overrated Teams, Players, Coaches.
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Space Science and Engineering Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:15:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.144215.3988@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>, un032221@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Oct28.063524.249200@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI) writes:
|> > Just a couple of thoughts not meant to offend anybody:
|> > 
|> > Most overrated players: [No particular order]
|> > 
|> >  QBs: Cunningham. So much publicity for hot/cold performance. When he is hot,
|> >  he is one of the best, but when he is cold he sucks. You don't want your
|> >  starting QB to be inconsistent.
|> > 

Although I know I'm going to get endless flames for this one, I would add
John Elway to this list.  For some reason, he's always been the media's 
darling.  Has anyone seen his QB rating this year?  Very poor.  It seems
all anyone ever wants to talk about is his comebacks.  Like he's the only
Bronco out on the field when they come from behind.  During a comeback, his
line, his receivers and the crowd {it always seems these comebacks take 
place in Denver} are just as instrumental as he is.

Just my opinion.  Ok Broncos fans, let me have it.
From: rjmathia@novell.com (Robert Mathias)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Best/worst of team history
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:21:40 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

In article <1dosjuINNbij@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler) writes:
>     For the Redskins, getting RIggins as a free agent was my friend's
>best moment for them.  He said he doesn't know of any really awful deals,
>but that not adhering to Riggins' demands and letting him sit out (for
>the season?) in '80, after the team barely missed the playoffs the year
>before, was the worst.  He also cited not drafting Joe Montana in '79,
>but every team can say that.

The two worst moments for the 'Skins envolve one man and he is Otto Graham.
This is a coach who said he rather lose a game 35-34 than to win a game
10-7.  The only thing worst than his coaching was his evaluation of talent.
He simply gave the Vikings Paul Krause (an All-Pro) for a washed-up tight
end (Carpenter).  I guess this went with his coaching philosophy (offense over
defense).

As to the 'Skins brightest moments, I would list 4:
	1) Jurgenson for Snead
	2) '64 Draft (not positive on the year) but they drafted two hall of
	famers in Charlie Taylor and Paul Krause (if Krause isn't in the the
	hall of fame, he should be)
	3) Drafted Larry Brown in the 8'th round
	4) Hiring Joe Gibbs


Bob Mathias
rjmathia@Novell.com
CSERV: 70340,165
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: FINALS - 10th week
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:26:15 GMT

Bears  28			Bengals  31  * OT FINAL
  Breech - FG to win game in OT - SHIT!

	Why can't Boomer play like this, during the
 the OT drive, on a consistent basis?

Dallas  37 			Detroit  3  * FINAL
Green Bay  7 		NY Giants  27  * FINAL
Minnesota  35 		Tampa Bay  7  * FINAL
		Way to go Vikings! 

New Orleans  31 	New England  14 * FINAL
Cleveland  24 		Houston  14  * FINAL
LA Raiders  10 		Philadelphia  31  * FINAL
		The MAC ATTACK! The Dude can still do it!

Miami  28 			Indianapolis  0  * FINAL

Phoenix  20		   RAMS 14  * FINAL  
Washington  16 		Seattle   3  * FINAL
NY Jets  16			Denver  27  * FINAL
Pittsburgh  20 		Buffalo  28  * FINAL
  Thurman Thomas was truly awesome today.....

San Diego  14		Kansas City  16  * FINAL
		Lowry - 36 yd FG with 54 seconds left in game

-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
"I do not think that winning is the most important thing. 
I think winning is the only thing."    - Bill Veeck
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: THE BET II
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:53:29 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

    Well, I hope I haven't made any other mistakes. Sorry Richard.

                
                 FAN                           FAN OF
 
                *1. Abhay                      Bills
                *2. Dan Kary                   Dolphins
                 3. Chris                      Bills
                 4. Bill Perry                 Bills
                 5. Jon                        Bills
                 6. JMC162 Penn St. U.         Bills
                 7. delarocq North Car. St. U. Bills
                 8. Richard Turner             Dolphins
                 9. Jim Bohy                   Dolphins
                10. -doug THE dolfan-          Dolphins
 
               * = Gentleman's bet
 
      There's still 10 days to go.
                                  -doug THE dolfan-
From: U58582@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 2,000 yard rushers and a little more (top ten single season)
Date: 12 Nov 92 20:21:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92317.142152U58582
 <1992Nov12.014033.29861@a.cs.okstate.edu> <1992Nov12.063834.29728@netcom.com>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

But does one great season make him an all-time great?
1800+ in 12 games at 6.5 y/c is great but give Walter Paytons, Dickersons
and OJ Simpsons a thought too (even if u go only by these stats)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Predictions for Week 10 and Results
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:43:02 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

Here are the results of the computer program's Week 10 predictions.
The computer picked 12 of 14 games correctly, an excellent result, the
best it has done this year.
===



        
                     Week #10 Game Predictions


       San Francisco  _41   36          Cincinnati     _31   22

     @ Atlanta        __3   24        @ Chicago        _28   28



       Dallas         _37   27          Phoenix        _20   22

     @ Detroit        __3   21        @ L.A. Rams      _14   21



       Green Bay      __7   18          L.A. Raiders   _10   13

     @ N.Y. Giants    _27   25        @ Philadelphia   _31   18



       Minnesota      _35   32          Pittsburgh     _20   20

     @ Tampa Bay      __7   17        @ Buffalo        _28   22



       N.Y. Jets      _16   18          Cleveland      _24   17

     @ Denver         _27   19        @ Houston        _14   27



       Miami          _28   25          San Diego      _14   20

     @ Indianapolis   __0   17        @ Kansas City    _16   21



       New Orleans    _31   22          Washington     _16   24

     @ New England    _14    8        @ Seattle        __3    8
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
"The President scores much better than Bill Clinton."
	-- Dan, comparing Bush's record of marital infidelity to Clinton's
From: rjk@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Raymond K)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: in defense of Lin Elliott
Date: 6 Nov 1992 13:59:32 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu
Keywords: Cowboys

In article <lfj5l3INN9an@earth.cs.utexas.edu> joel@cs.utexas.edu (Joel Daniel Just) writes:
>
>Lin Elliott is not as bad as everyone says he is, IMHO.
>He is the classic example of a power kicker who lacks accuracy -- the exact
>opposite of Ken Willis.
>On Sunday, vs. the Eagles, Elliott missed two makeable attempts, but notice that
>neither attempt was short; both were wide.  He did convert two attempts,
>including a 48-yarder.  Earlier in the year, he converted a 51-yarder.
>Still, 2 out of 4, while not good, is still OK.
>
>One important aspect of his game that many people overlook is his kickoffs.
>In the Eagles game, I believe all 5 of his kickoffs were touchbacks.  It
>doesn't show up in the stats that he may have prevented Sikahema from making
>several long kickoff returns.
>
>It is true that the Cowboys haven't won or lost any games on an Elliott
>field goal attempt.  If the Superbowl came down to a last second field
>goal attempt, like Norwood's when Buffallo lost to the Giants, would you
>rather have Elliott or Willis try the kick?  If it was a 47-yard attempt,
>like Norwood's, I would probably rather have Elliott.

Good post Joel, I agree with you.  Sure, we Dallas fans would have
liked to have seen Elliott make those first half FGs against Philly,
but he's not as bad as those misses would indicate.
Elliott won the job over Brad Daluiso because of his accuracy.  While
this might not have been evident Sunday, he's still a pretty accurate
kicker.  Also, Elliott has a much stronger leg than Ken Willis and if
his competition in camp hadn't been somebody with Daluiso's length,
Elliott's range would have been noticed more.  
The argument about kickoffs is very important.  Personally, I got sick
and tired of seeing Willis kick to the 10-yard line all the time.
Elliott's touchbacks prevent potentially dangerous returns and get the
defense started in good field position.
Elliot has not had the opportunity to win or lose a ballgame yet this
year.  But, if any game came down to it, I would feel a lot better 
about him trying a FG beyond 40 yards than Willis.  I think that he'll
work hard the rest of this season to improve his accuracy and that in
the long run, the Cowboys will have a dependable kicker for many years.




Ray     GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: mrs40@ccc.amdahl.com (Mike R Steiner Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: POOL: Did I Miss It
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:16:21 GMT
Reply-To: mrs40@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (*****************************************************************************
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

c/o Amdahl Corp.
Sunnyvale, Ca 94087	            GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Email: mrs40@charon.amdahl.com
MY VIEWS ARE MY OWN!!!!
*****************************************************************************)
Followup-To: 
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
Keywords: 

Did I miss the week 11 posts for the football pool.
If so, Can someone please send me the form for week 11.	

Thanks,

Mike

P.S. The Bills are going to bury Miami.
From: tsv@Unify.com (Tim Vannaman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: I'm gonna rip Greg Gumble's head off!!!
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:49:49 GMT
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)

In article <BxFInv.w0@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, mfv23060@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Maurice F. Vallejo) writes:
> 	AAAARRRRGGGGGG,  CBS is on my shit list.  CBS shows the first 
> half of the Cowboy/Lions and some of the third quarter.  Then all of a
> sudden they decide to switch over to the Giant/Packers game,  cause
> the Cowboy's had their game wrapped up.  WHAT THE HELL!!  Hello!
> The Giants killed the Packers & CBS doesn't mention the Cowboy/Loins game
> at all.  I waited three years for the Cowboys to get really good, and they
> switch over to a stupid sloppy blowout.   ARRRGGGGG.  What is the address 
> for CBS's sports?  Or better yet, what is Greg's home phone?  
> 	If CBS is going to show a game, show it all the way through.  It is 
> very frustrating to get into a game, and then wham-bam a different game.
> 
> 							Dan.
> 
The SF CBS station showed the Cowboys/LIons game for the early game, Sacramento
decided not to show that, but the Skins/Seahawks game at 1pm instead
   
There is not much difference between the two markets,  I HATE the programming
here  in Sacto.  If I owned my home, I'd buy a satelite dish!

I wish our cable would carry some of SF channels so we'd have a choice!!!

TIm.
.
From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NY Jets
Keywords: \
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:10:49 GMT
Organization: Houses of the Holy

In article <1992Nov12.051207.11262@cs.su.oz.au>, allanc@cs.su.oz.au (Restless Wanderer) writes:
> As an Australian who TRIES to keep up with the NFL/AFL I have a few questions.

Not meaning to be critical or anything but that should be AFC/NFC in the
NFL.


> Am I the only Jets fan (smart comments are not welcome  ;-)   )
> Could some nice person like to give me their impressions ofthe Jets line up,
> especially the Q'back.
> He seems to have a nice pass,but little defence to protect him.


Also, his coach is playing funny mind games with him.

> Jets for 93 ?

Also, I think that should be Jets IN 93.  But to answer your question,
I really dont think so.

> Thanks in advance

You're welcome.


> 
-- 
Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro,rec.sport.football.college
From: swanger@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Crazy & Fake Plays 
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 05:47:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.224639.19117@rtsg.mot.com>, swenson.rtsg.mot.com (R. Scott Swenson) writes:

A few years ago, Auburn was playing Tennessee at home and had a decisive
lead with a few seconds to play.  With the ball deep in VOL territory and
the game nearly over (time for one more play), AU qb Jeff Burger took the
snap from center, backed up a few steps, and waited for the clock to run
out.  The Tennessee defense just sort of stood around and Burger casually
walked (well, trotted maybe) through the line for an Auburn td.  (The
Tennessee players and fans were pissed).  Burger later claimed that the AU
offensive line threatened to kill him if he didn't try to score.

(A decisive lead by Auburn against Tennessee??  That was a few years ago!)

-- 
David Swanger,   Auburn University, Alabama,   swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Cleveland 24, Houston 14
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:38:36 CST

In article <BxFn6B.85H@rice.edu> apo@owlnet.rice.edu (Apolak Borthakur) writes:
>I think the Oilers have to think of doing something drastic 
>like going in for a change of the coaching staff. They are
>a team that has a lot of talented players, but are just not
>able to perform to their capabilities. They lack the 
>motivation and the desire to win. They need something that 
>will bring the back to life- and the best way to bring in 
>a fresh attitude is to get a new coach pronto.

This is exactly what Cleveland did 3 years ago.  Look what happenned.  I'd
be very careful for what I wished.

Also - Moon is old.  Do you have a lot of confidence in Carlson?  I believe
your offensive line is pretty old, too.

Man, this sounds so much like Cleveland a few years ago.  To quote my
favorite analyst Lee Corso "Watch out". :^)
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Packer list? any?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 16:35:04 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

Is there any Packer Mailing list?



       *********************************
       *	N.Ramasubramanian      *    	    
       *********************************
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: bsmith@osf.org (Bruce Smith)
Subject: More Patriots Woes
Originator: bsmith@serverx.osf.org
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 15:28:05 GMT

Adding to the Pats' already extensive injury list, Coach Dick MacPherson is
out for perhaps the rest of the year with diverticulitis (an intestinal
problem). 

The Patriots have often suffered from untimely injuries, but this year has
been especially bad. Anyone know all the names? The most recent (not counting
Coach Mac) was OT Bruce Armstrong, who suffered ligament damage in last week's
game vs. the Bills. I believe that leaves the team with just one reserve
offensive lineman.

Fellow Pats fans, take heart anyway. The team is still playing hard, and....
next year will *have* to be better! (won't it?)

Bruce Smith
From: bud@sequent.com (Pat Hauke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Deion, Deion, Deion
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:19:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov10.171950.20437
Distribution: na
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Nov10.170326.19828@sequent.com> newson@sequent.com (Newson) writes:
>In article <BxICqp.Aw7@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> brown@venus.iucf.indiana.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Nov9.200005.21562@ccd.harris.com>, bdb@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill D. Buckalew) writes...
>>> 
>>>Does anyone know if Deion is expected to play tonight?  Look for 
>>>J. Rice to have less than 3 receptions and under 25 yards if Prime
>>>Time plays, and the Falcons to stomp the 'niners at home 
>>>in the dome.
>>> 
>>>"Elvis lives" -- Jerry Glanville
>>
>>    N    N      OOO    TTTTTTT   !       Ha, Ha Neon Dion, Prime Time
>>    NN   N     O   O      T      !       SUCKED last night!!! So did
>>    N N  N     O   O      T      !       his butt buddy Andre Rison!!
>>    N  N N     O   O      T      !
>>    N   NN     O   O      T              41 - 3  Ha, Ha Ha !!!!!!!!!!!
>>    N    N      OOO       T      !
>>                                                                B**2
>
>This kind of response is what frustrates me the most about this net. Yes the
>ball bounced the 49ers way, and I love it but replies like the above are 
>uncalled for. There is no need to piss off everybody on the net. It would be
>nice to see resaonable posts for once instead of this adolescent bullshit.
>
>Don Newson
>Sequent Computer Systems
>

I agree with Don! Frankly, Deion had a good night, save the one fumble. And,
Hey! Give the guy some credit. He and Rison were the only ones really trying
to make something happen for them. When you're down 27-3, you take more
chances and that means higher risks for turnovers.

Don't get me wrong! I love to see the Falcons get whooped. And what's more, is
that I like it better when the Niners do the whoopin'. But, I hate to see the
garbage on the net that it creates! 

bud
Sequent Computer Systems
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Subject: Re: 90's and Dallas? Maybe?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 17:27:35 GMT

>From: jasmith@admin1.memst.edu
>Subject: 90's and Dallas? Maybe?
>Date: 4 Nov 92 13:49:39 -0600
     >  This team is young enough to just maybe 
     >  become the team of the 90's.  To go down in history be hide the 
     >  powerfull teams like Green Bay Packers of the 1960s, the Pittsburgh
     >  Steelers of the 1970's, and the Fourty Niners of the 1980's.
     >  Let's hear for the inaugural season of the team of the 1990's.
     >  The DALLAS COWBOYS the team of the 90's.

	Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!  You Cowpokes are really throwing the caca
around aren't you?  This young team hasn't even won a SB yet,
and they're already a legend in their own minds.

	Although I completely loathe the Cowboys, even I'll admit that
they APPEAR to be the team of the 90's, but let's not get carried
away here, eh?
From: wl@atlas.wustl.edu (Wilson Lee)
Subject: Re: Montana throwing again
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:24:10 GMT

	Can you tell me what had happened to Lesley Wall who had a sensational 

preseason?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: jdhl@troi.cc.rochester.edu (papa_sm00sh)
Subject: Re: Bills v. Dolphins - Billboard
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 17:00:23 GMT



i'm sorry.... but this whole thing about getting fired up for a
game... it has its place among games that mean little to the
standings of either team... but this game means a lot to the
dolphins... bercause the fins remaining schedule is tougher than the
Bills remaining schedule, the fins will need this win to keep distance
between tham and the bills... my prediction is that the winner of this
game is afceast champion and will have home field advantage and will
go to superbowl...


(very premature prediction)

jason

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com (Big Wade)
Subject: seahawk mailing list
Reply-To: wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:16:28 GMT

I want in, anyone with info please E-mail me
                               -wade-
-- 
"If we do not succeed, then we run the risk of failure"..V.P Dan Quayle....... 
 Let me say I am some say anyway a vary poor speller, I know what you are..... 
thinking,gee I hardly noticed but its true....|\\w//|.........................
.............OWNER..GRAVE DIGGERS.............................................