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From: davis@dauphine.ilog.fr (Harley Davis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: pigeonhole
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:22:14 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.jewish
Distribution: soc
Organization: ILOG S.A., Gentilly, France
In-reply-to: jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu's message of 3 Apr 92 06:42:45 GMT


In article <JIME.92Apr3084245@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu> jime@bullwinkle.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:

   >   And the only lessons are:     don't copy anything from the Americans; The
   >   primaries is good for the America but certainly not for Israel; Ve'aavta
   >   Leracha Camocha; etc...

   Except for military technology.  Then Israel feels free to take from
   the Americans, and resell it to the Chinese, the South Africans, and
   whoever else has the bucks and lacks the scruples.

Do you have any evidence for this accusation, aside from anonymous US
State Department allegations?  Of course you know the result of the
study concerning the Patriot missile lie; do you have any reason to
believe the other claims are true?

-- Harley Davis
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From: chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Cat Food / Please Post List Again
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:59:36 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

Could someone please post the kosher-for-Pesach catfood list again?  I
missed it the first time around.  Also, are there any dry (boxed, not
canned) foods that someone can recommend; so that kitties can take care
of themselves over the weekend?

Hag Sameach --

Chris Metcalfe
From: bschlesinger@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Barry Schlesinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A Couple of Questions
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:45:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <FAIGIN.92Apr16121701@soldan.aero.org>, faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes...
>On 16 Apr 92 18:35:09 GMT, baker@ROBOCOP.NYU.EDU (Jonathan Baker) said:
> 
>> (which allows us to buy REAL Old-Coke on Passover).
> 
>What you mean, *us*. Real old-coke is only available in NYC and Baltimore....

Also (Washington) DC area.  I have non-Jewish friends who stock up for 
the year.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au (Brendan McKay)
Subject: Re: The Arabian Leader (Mufti) AMIN HUSSAI
Reply-To: bdm@cs.anu.edu.au
Organization: Australian National University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 06:11:41 GMT

In article 3815@bimacs.BITNET, ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>In article <ktoch7INN748@girtab.usc.edu> jodar@girtab.usc.edu
>(Nicholas Jodar) writes:
>
>>In article <3810@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>>
>>>Since Haj Amin al Hussainy was THE leader of the Muslim Arabs in the
>>>Land of Israel , and since he did all his Nazi's activities on behaff
>>>of all Arabs in the Land os Israel, and since he was reellected  after
>>>WW2 while all his activity was known to every one, as the leader of
>>>the Arabs one should define his activity as an ACTIVITY OF THE ARABS
>>>rather than just as the activity of the Arabian Mufti ( religious
>>>suprem leader).
>>
>>While Ronald Reagan was reelected as President of the United
>>States, there is a large minority of people who never wanted him
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>in office.  Can he then be said to represent 'all' the people?
>>
>>I would think that the people posting to readnews would be wise
>>enough to qualify any broad generalizations they made....
>>
>>-Nick
>
>   BUT  when Haj Amin al Hussaini, Hitler's personal friend and
>supporter was reelected as the leader of the Arabs in the Land of
>Israel there was not even a small minority who ever objected hs
>reelection.

More racist vomit from the poison fingers of Gideon Ehrlich.
Apart from the word "supporter", which can be argued in a
weaker sense than you would like, your entire paragraph is
complete poppycock.  You obviously have no knowledge of
Palestinian history.

Husseini was appointed Chairman of the "Arab Higher Executive
for Palestine" by the Arab League at the Bludan Conference in
1946.  There was no "election" carried out amongst Palestinians, 
and many Palestinians were opposed to him.  Even amongst those
who supported his leadership, your effort to put support of 
genocide into their mouths is illogical; in fact, disgusting.

Finally, given that the Husseini family had lived in the
Jerusalem region for at least 600 years, calling him "Arabian"
is pretty stupid.

>     Shalom     Gideon Ehrlich        ERETZ    YISRAEL

Brendan.
(Followups directed to talk.politics.mideast)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: aap@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: Gay teens, suicide, and Christianity
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:43:07 GMT

> In article <92106.114646SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>  
writes:

> >On the other hand those Christians and Jews who take pains to
> >search throught their traditions and specificly and overtly reject
> >the strands of their tradition which so emphatically embrace
> > war, bloodshed, death, etc.  and seek to make a coherent personal
> >faith from the positive, loving, life-embracing part of their
> >scriptures most certainly are trustworthy.


So, what is the relation here?
Being against homosexual practices is the same as being for "war,  
bloodshed, death, etc."?
Or being against homosexual practices is the same as being against making  
"a coherent personal faith from the positive, loving, life-embracing part  
of their scriptures most certainly are trustworthy."?

AAP
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: shimoff@umbc4.umbc.edu (Eliot Shimoff)
Subject: Re: Yiddish Chad Gadya
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 13:16:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.022908.7304@Princeton.EDU> jhelbaum@stroke.Princeton.EDU (Jason Elbaum) writes:
>My family (through my father's side) has a custom to sing a Yiddish
>version of the Chad Gadya at the seder.  It's very similar to the
>original Aramaic, but with a few twists in the plot.
>
>Is anyone else familiar with a similar minhag?

Well, we don't Chad Gadya.  But after doing "eynayim la'hem in
Hallel, we repeat it in a rousing Yiddish version (Azochen vei
is tzu zei, a  blinten gott hoben zei ...).  And at the  end of
the Seder  (if we have the strength), we do Ehad mi yode'ah  in
Yiddish.  Given our family's limited knowledge of Yiddish,
there is also much  laughter (perhaps reminiscent of my parent's
[who know Yiddish] laughter  at our feeble attempts.)

Hang in there folks.  By  Friday night, our homes will be
pesachdik, IY'H, and we can get off the net  and get down
to real business!

>Jason Elbaum                               jhelbaum@phoenix.princeton.edu


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hbb@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (harlan.b.braude)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Partial Passover Product List
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:22:56 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <gdtR7km00WBK03Ynpe@andrew.cmu.edu> sb5i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sandy Bodzin) writes:
>This claim is just as absurd.  I've spent many hours supervising milking
>(for Chalav Yisrael)  and milking does not take place in a farm.  It
>takes place in a clean milking room that runs with the efficiency of a
>production line:  Tens of  cows are set in place (never a pig within
>miles), iodine is placed on the nipples, suction cups are attached, and
>the pumping begins.  Cows are then moved out to the barn and the milk
>moves into storage tanks - never touched by human hands or in any way
>exposed to potential impurities.

I spent about 10 months on a Kibbutz working in the "refet" (dairy?) The
design of the milking area was such that the cattle were "entertained" by
a trough of grain when we'd hook them up (we would dole out small portions
of grain using pneumatic controls.)

Many cows would grab a mouthful of munchies and then duck their heads under
the trough to see what we were doing ('Hey Elsie, watch me knock that guy's
hat off with my tail!') :-) They had the table manners of kids at a matinee.

Actually, you'd be amazed at what actually makes it into the tank! :-O
-- 
Harlan B. Braude
hbb@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Subject: Re: Valid Interpretation Flamefest (sigh!)
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:46:51 GMT

In article <FAIGIN.92Apr6202343@soldan.aero.org> faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin) writes:
>On 6 Apr 92 03:27:05 GMT, rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis) said:
>> I'm Reform, but I think that the entire patrilineal descent issue is
>> fairly stupid. 
>
>You're not alone; I know a number of Reform Rabbis that voted against the
>resolution. 

It wasn't even the resolution I was thinking of, though I think that's
kind of dumb too; it was the parents who care enough to raise their
kid Jewish but have some weird aversion to a conversion ceremony.

>In any case, I really wish people would read the decision whenever I post it
>(which I seem to do every few months -- Rob, we really should put this in the
>FAQ :-)). 

Do we have a FAQ? Can I see it?

>The decision is actually stricter than Orthodox practice. Orthodox
>practices allows the child of a Jewish mother to be treated as Jewish,
>regardless of the extend of practice of the child or the belief of the child.
>Reform requires that the child of *any* mixed marriage, I repeat ANY mixed
>marriage, to be only under the PRESUMPTION of being Jewish. The "jewishness"
>is not confirmed unless the child shows a committment to Jewish life by public
>acts that identify the child with Judaism as it grows up -- acts such as Bar
>Mitzvah, Confirmation, graduation from Religious High School, participation in
>the holidays, participation in Jewish social action, etc. If the kid doesn't
>do this -- the kids hasn't confirmed their Judaism.

Well, yes; but I don't think it's stricter because I don't think it's
trying to do the same thing. The Reform practice assumes Judaism to be
primarily a religion, and so it's participation in the religion that's
what counts. The Orthodox rules, as I understand them, assume Judaism
to be primarily a tribe, in the archaic sense; and so if you're born
into the tribe or extended family or whatever you want to call it,
you're a member no matter what you do. The fact that I haven't gone to
a family reunion in the last seven years doesn't make me less a member
of my family (even though it has caused a few of my aunts to wonder
quite vocally whether i have dropped off the face of the earth...)

>Daniel

	-Nora


-- 
Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.
From: jgoldber@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Question to Miracle Analysts
Keywords: Info
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:14:22 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department

In article <kudrb9INNaj5@girtab.usc.edu> jodar@girtab.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.124710.6449@kth.se> d89-mor@nada.kth.se (Monika Orski) writes:
>>
>>	Actually, Arafat wasn't the only to survive.
>>	Does this change anything?
>>
>>	Monika
>
>That's interesting....  According to my information, the other
>three people in the plane were killed in the crash.  He sustained
>minor injuries, and was flown to a hospital to confirm his good
>health.  This is also not the first time, supposedly, that he has
>had a 'close call'....
>
>If your information is different from mine, please share it with
>me.  I'd like to hear what you have to say on the matter.
    The three cockpit crew were killed---the cockpit was crushed.
    Everyone else survived.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: segs@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (susan.e.slusky)
Subject: Re: explanation of the eg
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:18:34 GMT


Just to give an alternative view to Warren, who said he's always seen
the hard boiled egg eaten after the sandwich...
Our family's minhag is to eat the eggs with karpas at the beginning.
It makes sense to me. 
First of all we're passing around the salt water at that time anyway. 
Second the rebirth/spring symbolism is shared by the karpas and the egg.
And third, it fills everyone up a little
so we can get through the seder without a lot of hunger pains. 
We also use potatoes along with the parsley for karpas.
This is a
a common minhag among families from parts of Poland and Lithuania.
They could not get anything green by Pesach and substituted potatoes.
So right at the beginning of the seder we eat parsley, potatoes, and eggs.
Makes for a filling snack.
A zisson and kosher Pesach to all!

Susan Slusky
att!mhuxo!segs
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: br042@cleveland.freenet.edu
Subject: Hebrew fonts for Page Maker
Organization: Migdal Torah - The Jewish Learning Center
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 23:48:29 -0400


Does anyone know where I can get Hebrew fonts for Page Maker other than
from Davkah or Kabalh software?  Perhaps a shareware type.  This is for
Migdal Torah so $$$$$ unfortunately (like with out fortune $$$$) is an
object.

Thanks and a 

Chag Kosher V'Somayachuv
 
Avrohom Mordechai Alter
From: warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: More on the Early Sanhedrin
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:04:17 GMT
Reply-To: warren@nysernet.org
Organization: Mail to News Gateway

In <1992Apr8.002627.26459@cirrus.com> chrism@cirrus.com (Chris Metcalfe) writes:

>In Midrash Rabba Shemot it is stated that Amiram, the father of Moshe, 
>was Av Bet-Din of the Sanhedrin in his day -- meaning that the tradition
>of 70 elders was already functioning at that time.

Well I think all have agreed that the institution was not called
"Sanhedrin" in the time of Mordechai, certainly not at the time of
Amram.  It might also be possible that the institution (at least
before the Torah was given) was of a different form, perhaps having a
different number of members, and perhaps with no postion exactly
equivalent to "Av Bet-Din".  The Midrash may mean "Amram was an
important leader" rather "Amram was one of seventy members, holding a
position consisting of ..."
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Subject: Re: Interrelationship excerpts
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:30:33 GMT

On 16 Apr 92 22:24:53 GMT, janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb) said:
> What do you get "in lieu of a ketuba"?  I assume you're not referring 
> to the standard marriage license.  I didn't think non-Jewish weddings 
> had any kind of document other than the license.

Legally, people can draw up whatever agreements they want in addition to the
standard license. That's what prenuptual and nuptual agreements are. 

Before we get into a flame war about rabbis performing the ceremony, I direct
readers to the updated entry on rabbis_and_mixed_marriages in the Liberal
Judaism information files, available via anonymous ftp from
israel.nysernet.org, in the directory israel/mail.liberal-judaism.

Daniel
Moderator, Liberal Judaism Mailing List

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From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish - Israeli names
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:42:37 GMT
Reply-To: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin

In article 25169@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca, jgoldber@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Joel Goldberg) writes:

>  Ah c'mon, this is one of my fondest memories of Israel:
>
>  Midsummer. Darkness settles over Givat Chen in suburban Ness Ziona,
>  and the temperature falls from stultifying to merely hot. On the
>  street, a fourteen year old Sabra'it, disdaining modern technology,
>  assembles her friends for a trip to the glidaria. Facing the apartment
>  blocks she calls, "Orrrreeeeet, Efraaaaaat, Irrrrreeeeeet,
>  Osnaaaaaat."
>

My favorite memory of female Hebrew names in Israel was a family who 
named their daughters Gila, Rina, Ditza, and (you guessed it) Chedva!


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: alz@nestor.uucp (80122-zoble)
Subject: A Couple of Questions
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 19:34:02 GMT
Keywords: kosher, passover

A discussion during lunch with a Catholic co-worker brought up some questions
about Judaism that I wasn't prepared to answer. Maybe some net people can
help me out. I was brought up very liberal and reform, so I'm looking for
a similar viewpoint, not a Conservative or Orthodox one, which I could agree
with based upon my upbringing and beliefs.

My first question is regarding foods not to be eaten during Passover. I've
seen a lot about legumes in this newsgroup. What does this include and why
are they not allowed? I know bread wasn't given time to rise in the desert,
but what does peanuts have to do with it?

My second question is more subjective, but may have some authoritative
answer - I don't know. We discussed the trilogy, and how essential a belief
in God is to a Catholic. Is it also necessary for all Jews to believe in
God, or is there room for doubt based upon personal belief or
interpretation?

I'm sure you can see this was some discussion! Can anyone help me out with
these questions? I'd appreciate any non-judgemental and helpful responses.

Thank you.


Allison Zoble                         "Things are getting worse ...
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From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The Arabian Leader (Mufti) AMIN HUSSAINI meeting Hitler
Keywords: Representation?
Date: 6 Apr 92 06:24:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: bimacs.3815
Organization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL

In article <ktoch7INN748@girtab.usc.edu> jodar@girtab.usc.edu
(Nicholas Jodar) writes:

>In article <3810@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>
>>Since Haj Amin al Hussainy was THE leader of the Muslim Arabs in the
>>Land of Israel , and since he did all his Nazi's activities on behaff
>>of all Arabs in the Land os Israel, and since he was reellected  after
>>WW2 while all his activity was known to every one, as the leader of
>>the Arabs one should define his activity as an ACTIVITY OF THE ARABS
>>rather than just as the activity of the Arabian Mufti ( religious
>>suprem leader).
>
>While Ronald Reagan was reelected as President of the United
>States, there is a large minority of people who never wanted him
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>in office.  Can he then be said to represent 'all' the people?
>
>I would think that the people posting to readnews would be wise
>enough to qualify any broad generalizations they made....
>
>-Nick

   BUT  when Haj Amin al Hussaini, Hitler's personal friend and
supporter was reelected as the leader of the Arabs in the Land of
Israel there was not even a small minority who ever objected hs
reelection.
     Shalom     Gideon Ehrlich        ERETZ    YISRAEL
From: faigin@aero.org (Daniel P. Faigin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Valid Interpretation Flamefest (sigh!)
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:55:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: soldan.FAIGIN.92Apr10125557
	<FAIGIN.92Apr6202343@soldan.aero.org> <630@kesher.UUCP>
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA

On 10 Apr 92 00:39:31 GMT, root@kesher.UUCP (Aaron_Schmiedel) said:
]] FAQ :-)). The decision is actually stricter than Orthodox practice. Orthodox
]] practices allows the child of a Jewish mother to be treated as Jewish,

] Actually it's Jewish law that proscribes this.  It is Reform practice that
] rejects it.

Actually, it's the traditional interpretation of Jewish law that proscribes
it.

Daniel
(I'm working on the answer to the other question)
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: hillelm@ecs.comm.mot.com (DX528 Hillel Meyers)
Subject: kosher restaurant faq
Organization: control_centers
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:41:09 GMT

I am looking for the email address of Phillip Millman who was collecting information
on kosher restaurants.  I have a listing of restaurants in the Chicago area that I would
like to send him.  If anyone is interested in a copy, send me email and I will send it
to you.  Enough of a response I will post on this newsgroup.

Hillel

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From: pdm@sisters.cs.uoregon.edu (peter d. mark)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Question to Miracle Analysts
Keywords: Miracles
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:33:46 GMT
Organization: /local/lib/rn/organization

In article <kuhlusINN7na@girtab.usc.edu> 
	jodar@girtab.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar) writes:
>In article <9204120316.AA26160@relay2.UU.NET> 
	br042@cleveland.freenet.edu wrote:
>
>>What is a miracle?  It is a happening that demonstrates Divine Providence
>>(i.e. that the Al-mighty is the master, director and sole controller of
>>creation).  


and who decides what is sufficient demonstration?


>I'd say that was a very apt discription of 'miracle'....  I hope
>you don't mind if I 'borrow' it.... :-)


it sounds rather vague to me.


	[parts deleted]


>Nowadays, if a woman becomes pregnant without the introduction of
>a man's sperm, we call it 'unusual,' not 'miraculous.'  Why?


a woman becoming pregnant without sperm?  is that really what you mean?


>Because we can do it ourselves, if we wanted to.  


really?  how?


>						    And yet, G-D's
>influence is all around us, every day, in countless ways, and
>people write it off as 'Luck,' 'Fate,' 'Chance,' 'Poetic
>Justice,' et cetera.  Anybody claiming to see the 'miracles' of
>everyday life is called a 'romantic' or 'psycho' and is treated
>accordingly.


and how do you know these countless daily occurrences *aren't*
mere coincidences?  interpreting them as "god's influence" is
a choice that you make. 


>Such is the blindness of scepticism...


and the gullibility of faith...

>
>-Nick


peter
pdm@cs.uoregon.edu