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From: fgk@well.sf.ca.us (Frank G Kienast)
Subject: Internet sites with climate data?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:02:41 GMT


Does anyone out there know of an Internet site with either climate or 
historical weather data for US cities?  I am trying to create a database 
that will let me do queries such as "list all the cities with more than x 
inches of snow a year and an average July temperature over y", etc.
 
Frank Kienast
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:00:30 EDT
From: <RHG@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Lightning Photography Query

For a magazine article, I'm putting together a list of hints
for taking lightning photos.  Select a shooting spot out
of the wind, for instance, and carry a small flashlight
on a string around your neck.

Any ideas you'd like to pass on?  Thanks.
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From: paul@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: GMS-4 images via Hawaii?
Date: 26 Aug 92 11:01:27 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Any group in Hawaii receiving GMS-4 images care to make them available
to the net? In particular I'm looking for full 8 bit IR and 6 bit VIS
data.

Thank you!
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: capskb@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Keith Brewster)
Subject: Re: Farmer's Almanac and Andrew
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:51:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.023724.4332@eplrx7.es.duPont.com> walker@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Scott Walker) writes:
>I was paging through the 1992 Farmer's Almanac tonight and decided to see
>what it said in it's forecast for Florida for August.  Sure enough:
>"...while in August a possible hurricane could bring an extra 3 inches of
>rain, or more, to the south."  How's that for hitting it right on the 
>button?  Ok, so later they specifically mention August 30th and 31 for
>the hurricane dates, but this is the only one they predicted and they
>were pretty close.
>
>Just lucky or do they know something we don't?
>

Maybe they know hurricane climatology, so saying a hurricane will give
3 inches of rain "somwhere in the southeast" during the peak of the
hurricane season is _nearly_ equivalent to saying "There will be a snowstorm
in upstate New York in January".

Given the enormity of the event that took place, I think "3 inches of rain"
is quite an underforecast.  Baton Rouge got 3 inches of rain in 3 hours
this morning.

As a previous poster commented, I think the Hurricane Center and the NWS
deserve kudos for a well-forecasted track which has enabled quite a bit
of prepardness, and undoubtably has saved lives and property.  Not to
belabor the point, but the NWS has been fighting budget cuts for many years
and its lucky that they have been able to retain things like the hurricane
recon flights, special soundings, extra model development/runs, etc.

Keith
-------------------------------
Keith Brewster
OU School of Meteorology
Only Donnie Duncan speaks for the University.

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From: Tobin C. Anthony <tca712@rs710.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: FTP Weather Servers
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6C15417BB012C59@tanthony.gsfc.nasa.gov>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 26 Aug 92 15: 30:31 GMT
Organization: NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:36:04 GMT

Bernie Bernard of the University of Colorado has written a program called
"Thermometer" which allows Macintoshes to access so-called weather
servers to obtain temperature information.  The only server Bernie knows
about is refuge.colorado.edu which only gives Boulder temperatures.  Are
there any servers which can deliver temperature information of various US
cities via telnet?  Please refer to Bernie (bernard@cs.colorado.edu) for
any technical questions.  TIA.

 
----------------------->>>>><<<<<-----------------------
Tobin C. Anthony                   tca712@rs710.gsfc.nasa.gov
Code 712                               301-286-1273 (w)
Goddard Space Flight Center
Greenbelt MD 20771
USA

"Marge, you're just a tool of the dog-house makers" - H. Simpson
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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: himacanes worse than hericanes
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:11:42 GMT
Organization: Unocal Corporation


Time for silly post of the day.
The last few destructive hurricanes have been named after males- Hugo, Bob,
and Andrew.  (Odds are one in eight of a three male sequence happening
if half the names are male.)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: rthomson@mesa.dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Subject: Re: Hurricane GIFS wanted...
Keywords: hurricane, gif, andrew, goes, weather, satellite, image
Reply-To: rthomson@dsd.es.com (Rich Thomson)
Organization: Design Systems Division, Evans & Sutherland, SLC, UT
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 23:19:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug25.030452.18945@morrow.stanford.edu>
	cleavy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Cleavy McKnight) writes:
>     The latest IR image is also stored as "cir.gif", and is 4X larger
>     than the other images.

Does anyone know why this is done?  I liked getting the bigger images;
one can always make them smaller if they are too big, but the other
way around loses information.

						-- Rich
-- 
	Repeal the personal income tax; vote Libertarian in 1992.
Disclaimer: I speak for myself, except as noted; Copyright 1992 Rich Thomson
UUCP: ...!uunet!dsd.es.com!rthomson			Rich Thomson
Internet: rthomson@dsd.es.com	IRC: _Rich_		PEXt Programmer
From: rzakon@mitre.org (Robert H Zakon)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Need Weather Sat/Image/Drawing of Thailand/region
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:29:34 GMT
Reply-To: rzakon@mitre.org (Robert H Zakon)
Organization: Mitre


I am in need of any weather sat/image/drawing of Thailand and/or the region around it (SE Asia).  This data is needed ASAP, so I would appreciate it if anyone with leads could e-mail me directly at rzakon@mitre.org

Thank you,
  Robert H'obbes' Zakon, rzakon@mitre.org
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: RE: Hurricanes traveling west?
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:46:12 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, harris@drvax3.msfc.nasa.gov (Mitch Harris) wrote:
>First let me say I have nothing to do with meteorology, am just a nurse,
>but I *love* stormy weather! Now, there have been many postins about why
>hurricanes travel west, but here's what I want to know: in some books
>I've read on hurricanes, there's always pictures of really loopy
>hurricane tracks, where they go backwards, loop around ,etc. How can
>they go backwards? 

Hurricanes are essentially steered by the ambient flow in the deep layer around
the storm.  While this deep layer flow is essentially east to west in the
tropics and west to east in the mid-latitudes, variations occur.  Thus,
hurricane tracks are not straight or simple curving lines.

>And if they travel up the Atlantic towards Europe,
>why doesn't the colder water dissapate them sooner?

The Gulf Stream is very warm well into mid-latitudes.  Storms in the Eastern
Pacific decay rapidly when they move northward.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
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From: Tobin C. Anthony <tca712@rs710.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: FTP Weather Servers
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6C1545806022C59@tanthony.gsfc.nasa.gov>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 26 Aug 92 15: 31:36 GMT
Organization: NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:37:24 GMT

Bernie Bernard of the University of Colorado has written a program called
"Thermometer" which allows Macintoshes to access so-called weather
servers to obtain temperature information.  The only server Bernie knows
about is refuge.colorado.edu which only gives Boulder temperatures.  Are
there any servers which can deliver temperature information of various US
cities via telnet?  Please refer to Bernie (bernard@cs.colorado.edu) for
any technical questions.  TIA.

 
----------------------->>>>><<<<<-----------------------
Tobin C. Anthony                   tca712@rs710.gsfc.nasa.gov
Code 712                               301-286-1273 (w)
Goddard Space Flight Center
Greenbelt MD 20771
USA

"Marge, you're just a tool of the dog-house makers" - H. Simpson
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From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks)
Subject: Atlantic hurricane names
Organization: NSSL
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:19:26 GMT

Here's the six-year list of names for Atlantic hurricanes.  Names
are agreed upon by nations involved during international meetings
of the World Meterological Organization.  The National Hurricane
Center names any tropical disturbance that reaches tropical 
storm status.  (Sorry for my earlier mistake about 1986 Andrew.)

1992        1993        1994        1995        1996        1997
Andrew      Arlene      Alberto     Allison     Arthur      Ana
Bonnie      Bret        Beryl       Barry       Bertha      Bob*
Charley     Cindy       Chris       Chantal     Cesar       Claudette
Danielle    Dennis      Debby       Dean        Diana       Danny
Earl        Emily       Ernesto     Erin        Edouard     Erika
Frances     Floyd       Florence    Felix       Fran        Fabian
Georges     Gert        Gordon      Gabrielle   Gustav      Grace
Hermine     Harvey      Helene      Humberto    Hortense    Henri
Ivan        Irene       Isaac       Iris        Isidore     Isabel
Jeanne      Jose        Joyce       Jerry       Josephine   Juan
Karl        Katrina     Keith       Karen       Klaus       Kate
Lisa        Lenny       Leslie      Luis        Lili        Larry
Mitch       Maria       Michael     Marilyn     Marco       Mindy
Nicole      Nate        Nadine      Noel        Nana        Nicholas
Otto        Ophelia     Oscar       Opal        Omar        Odette
Paula       Philippe    Patty       Pablo       Paloma      Peter
Richard     Rita        Rafael      Roxanne     Rene        Rose
Shary       Stan        Sandy       Sebastien   Sally       Sam
Tomas       Tammy       Tony        Tanya       Teddy       Teresa
Virginie    Vince       Valerie     Van         Vicky       Victor
Walter      Wilma       William     Wendy       Wilfred     Wanda

*I would assume that Bob will be retired and a new name chosen.

Harold
-- 
Harold Brooks                    hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu
National Severe Storms Laboratory/CIMMS (Norman, OK)
Andres Galarraga (Through 23 August)  .232 BA  .366 SLG  .276 OBA
28 H away from .300  8 HBP  9 BB    701+ PA w/o a sacrifice
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From: kenr@orleans.storage.tandem.com (Ken Rose)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Poverty Over-estimated in America ?
Date: 3 Sep 92 20:27:46 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc, Cupertino CA

In today's Wall Street Journal, an article entitled
"America's Poverty Myth" by Robert Rector
appeared on the Editorial Page (Sept. 3, 1992 issue).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~ excerpts follow  ~~~~~~~~~

"There are two important mistakes in the way the Census
Bureau measures how many American households fall below the
official poverty threshold, which was $13,942 for a 
family of four in 1991.  First, the bureau ignores family
assets, which can make a huge difference. Second, it ignores
almost the entire impact of U.S. anti-poverty programs on
individual income."

"In its official poverty estimate, the Census Bureau undercounts
cash welfare aid and entirely excluded food, housing, and 
medical assistance.  The bureau ignores whole programs,
such as food stamps, Medicaid, and public housing. ... Out of
a total of $184 billion in welfare spending on the non-
institutionalized population in 1990 ... Census counted only
$32.5 billion as income.  The funds that are spent on low-income
people but not counted by the Census Bureau amount to ...
$10,499 for every "poor" household in America."

"... In 1989 40% of all households identified as poor by the
Census Bureau owned their own homes.  The average home owned
by a "poor" person is a three bedroom house with a garage 
and a porch or a patio."

"The average American poor person has twice as much living
space as the average Japanese citizen and four times as much
as the average Russian."

"Contrary to media misconceptions about chronic hunger among
poor children, Agriculture Department studies show that the
average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is
virtually the same for poor and middle-class children in 
America."

"Adjusted for inflation, per-capita exenditures of the
lowest one-fifth of U.S. households in 1990 exceeded the
per-capita income of the median American household in 1960."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ end of excerpts ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


If accurate, this raises some troubling questions about how
poverty is perceived in America.  I wonder, though, if the
terminology used in the article is consistent.  When Rector
talks about "households identified as poor" is he refering
to those under the poverty line or some other line?  If the
latter, this would make the 40% owning homes figure easier
to understand.  And the $184 billion he identifies as
welfare spending is a lumped figure; dividing that per-family
seems to ignore the spending on the welfare apparatus itself
(the workers, etc that run it).  Also, why did he compare
per-capita expenditures in 1990 to per-capita income in 1960
instead of per-capita expenditures in 1960?

Discussion, anyone?  (flames -> bit.bucket)


____________________________________________________________________
Ken Rose    (kenr@storage.tandem.com)
The Usual Disclaimer:  Any opinions expressed above are mine alone, not
those of my employer (who is kind enough to allow me Usenet access).
From: yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: Milton Friedman...
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:03:32 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Sep3.122917.3892@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>In article <1161@kps.UUCP>, ded@kps.UUCP (David Edwards /DP) writes:
>> In article <1992Aug31.142622.3826@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>>>
>>>	Cuba lived off of the xUSSR for it's entire existence.  Now that that
>>>particular sugar daddy is gone, you see the real Cuba.  No food.  No fuel.  A
>>>mimicing of the Khmer Rouge exodus from the cities in order to force more
>>>people to grow food.
>>>
>>>	It's quite sad.
>> 
>> Where should they get their fuel from under the current blockade? Why
>
>	It's an embargo.
>
>	They could always improve their human rights record, then trade with
>the countries that respond to that kind of thing :).

Such as China?


-- 


yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu
From: yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu (victor yodaiken)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: Outgrowing Libertarianism...
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:03:44 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <87453@netnews.upenn.edu> vvallopp@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Vinod V Valloppillil) writes:
>Additionally, I might add that some strains of libertarianism explicitly 
>attempt to wring morality out of politics.  They seek an economic basis
>for all types of governmental law.  Morality and related topics should solely

And some type of marxism-leninism similarly attempted to exclude morality
from their programs which were ostensibly based on a "scientific"
understanding of history. The "libertarian" attempt to pass off prejudice as
science is equally convincing.
 

-- 


yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu

Xref: sparky sci.econ:7323 talk.politics.misc:43368 alt.individualism:5336
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: sci.econ,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism
Subject: Re: Milton Friedman...
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:51:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Sep2.215118.20393
Organization: Western Washington University

ded@kps.UUCP (David Edwards /DP) writes:
> (Stupendous Man) writes:
>>	Cuba lived off of the xUSSR for it's entire existence.  Now that that
>>particular sugar daddy is gone, you see the real Cuba.  No food.  No fuel.  A

>Where should they get their fuel from under the current blockade? Why
>is the US so insistent on destroying Castro's Cuba. While hardly a
>perfect individual, his provoking attitude to America has unleashed a
>scarcly understandable paranoia there.

	Who is trying to sell fuel to Cubans and is prevented from doing
so?   What is stopping them?

>While not a Socialist, I wonder what Cuba would look like if allowed 
>to trade freely. You may say there is no blockade, but anybody doing 
>business with America knows that it better not deal with Cuba. What 
>I'm getting at is that you cannot explain away Cuba's failure on the 
>failure of communism alone, since Eastern Europe's collapse never had 
>the support of the populace (as opposed to George Bush:-) and Castro). 

Jim Del Vecchio
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From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: sci.econ
Subject: Re: Milton Friedman...
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:29:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Sep3.122917.3892
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1161@kps.UUCP>, ded@kps.UUCP (David Edwards /DP) writes:
> In article <1992Aug31.142622.3826@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man) writes:
>>
>>	Cuba lived off of the xUSSR for it's entire existence.  Now that that
>>particular sugar daddy is gone, you see the real Cuba.  No food.  No fuel.  A
>>mimicing of the Khmer Rouge exodus from the cities in order to force more
>>people to grow food.
>>
>>	It's quite sad.
> 
> Where should they get their fuel from under the current blockade? Why

	It's an embargo.

	They could always improve their human rights record, then trade with
the countries that respond to that kind of thing :).

> is the US so insistent on destroying Castro's Cuba. While hardly a
> perfect individual, his provoking attitude to America has unleashed a
> scarcly understandable paranoia there.

	The US government problem with Castro is largely personal.  He rubbed
the US nose in a situation of its own making.  Thus the reluctence to make his
job easier.

	Fortunately (for the US government), Castro has followed in the
footsteps of Stalin enough to make the embargo defendable.

> I suppose with Castro gone, the US would buy back Cuba with massive 
> "aid". That is the best way create individual freedom, is it not? 
> Maybe it would become a 51-st state, like Hawaii. I'm sure that would 
> be popularly supported. :-) 

	Much more likely to be PR.  But then again, aid would flow if Castro
would free what's left of the political opposition and hold free elections.

> While not a Socialist, I wonder what Cuba would look like if allowed 
> to trade freely. You may say there is no blockade, but anybody doing 
> business with America knows that it better not deal with Cuba. What 
> I'm getting at is that you cannot explain away Cuba's failure on the 
> failure of communism alone, since Eastern Europe's collapse never had 
> the support of the populace (as opposed to George Bush:-) and Castro). 

	Cuba's problems stem from depending on the USSR for 30 years.  Now that
that subsidy is gone, they have to build the infrastructure that the subsidies
made redundant.

	An embargo of Cuba or an embargo of South Africa for human rights
violations, either way it's ok.  (Now if you want to talk about
double-standards for different embargoes, I'll probably agree with you.)

Brett                                                      
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From: jhc@m2lll.uucp (James H. Coombs)
Subject: Re: need details on devaluating U.S. currency
Reply-To: jhc@iris.brown.edu.UUCP (James H. Coombs)
Organization: IRIS - Brown University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:24:00 GMT

In article <183393@pyramid.pyramid.com> breid@pyrhard2.eng.pyramid.com (Bill Reid) writes:

>>  Can someone help me out with some specifics on devaluation of the
>>U.S. dollar.  It is my impression that only the U.S. can devaluate
>>U.S. currency. 

Read *How the Foreign Exchange Market Works*, New York Institute of
Finance, 212-344-2900.

Also, Andy Krieger wrote an uneven but interesting and amusing book
called *The Money Bazaar*.

>Any other currency can devalue the dollar, just by being a "stronger" 
>currency.  It has been happening recently with the DM vs the $.  

You really need to consider multiple currencies.  The dollar could go
up against the yen while going down against the German Mark.

>It is decided by the world market, as above.  You can tell what the 
>secret range is by the actions taken by the central banks when 
>currencies begin to rise or drop in value.  

Central banks are very aware that they are being watched.  They take
action through commercial banks at times to disguise their intentions.
They take public action to create an impression.  They sometimes just
push and pull to find out what is going on.  Most of us hear only a
small part of the story.

>>  2) When was the last time the dollar was officially devaluated? Was it
>>     in the early '70s (under Nixon)?

>Nixon signed what I think was called the Bretton-Woods agreement, which 
>allowed currencies to float freely on the world market.

Bretton Woods was in 1944, motivated largely by the need for wealthy
nations to help the nations destroyed in WWII.  Most currencies
remained pegged to gold in the agreement, although Keynes had argued
for an international currency, the bancor, and an international bank
strong enough to set the exchange rates of individual currencies
against the bancor.

>the value of the dollar (and the DM and yen, etc.) HAD been strictly 
>set to certain value by government decree.  (Bretton-Woods came about 
>as I remember because England was devaluing the pound every two 
>weeks or so, and it got to be ridiculous).  

From 1950 to 1970, US gold reserves dwindled from $23 to $11 billion.
And then we decided to print money to pay for Vietnam.  The US was in a
recession.  US interest rates were going down; foreign rates were up.
More dollars flowing out of the country.  On May 3rd, 1971, influential
West German institutes recommended the floating of the mark.  Investors
stempeded to the mark.  On May 5,

	the Bundesbank accepted $1 billion in the first fifty-five
	minutes of trading.  It took in more than 8 percent of the
	total US gold and foreign-exchange reserves in less than one
	hour [Kreiger, 133-34].

In August, the British asked to convert $3 billion to gold, 25% of the
reserves.  On August 15th, Nixon said, "no gold"; and the current
markets were born; the dollar was afloat.

Read those books!  --Jim
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