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From: dolson@crl.ucsd.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:38:42 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego


	This is my first post to the net, and I hope I don't completely
	screw it up.

	Your daughter is going through a normal, and very important phase
	of gender identification at this age.  She is sorting out what it
	means to be a girl, and she is solidifying her identification
	with you.  This does NOT mean she is deciding what she wants to
	do with her life, only that she is sorting out gender differences.

It is very common at this age for both boys and girls to give very
gender-stereotyped answers to questions about what they will be 
when they grow up.  When my niece was 4, she refused to wear pants - only
skirts or dresses would do (in Vermont in the winter!?!) AND they had
to be PINK!! Needless to say, her taste in clothing has since broadened,
but her pink-only phase, IMHO, was her way of "getting the feeling of
being a girl".

I think as long as we expose our children to a variety of strong, happy, 
positive
adults to identify with, encourage their natural interests, and support
them in working things out in their own way, they will be fine.  If all
your daughter saw was The Little Mermaid and Sleeping Beauty, there 
would be cause for concern, but we KNOW that's not the case - she has
YOU.  Right now, she is identifying with the "mommy part" of you, 
because that's what she sees.  I agree that you should take it as a
compliment.

I hope this works.  If it does, maybe I will come out of lurker mode
occasionally. (I log on through my husband's work and I think misc.kids
is WONDERFUL.)

Laura Dolson
From: judyd@aspen.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 6-mo-old refuses to nurse
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:44:03 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond,  OR.

In article <1992Sep25.104839.26523@trentu.ca> xtkmg@trentu.ca (Kate Gregory) writes:
>In article <1625.9209211749@bonzo.xylogics.com> rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:
>
>>[Isabel, who is 8 months old] sometimes gets
>>through 24 hours on as little as 8 or 9 oz. of formula,
>>which is about half of what she "should" be drinking...
>
>Wow! Talk about your mileage may vary. I don't know how
>much Isabel weighs, but a standard piece of advice for estimating
>formula or expressed breastmilk intake is three ounces per
>day per pound of bodyweight. 

Whoa!  This means that my 27-lb. 8-month-old (future first female
NFL linebacker) should be drinking 81 ounces per day!  Talk about
hitting the bottle.  Not to mention the diaper changes this would
entail.

Fortunately for us (and our wallets, too), Austin only drinks 16-24
ounces of formula a day (along with solids, of course), and is thriving
by any standard.

Dena--often Austin drinks as little as 8 or 9 ounces as well,
although usually it's closer to 20.  I just try to feed her a healthy
overall diet between formula and solids.  I also give her daily 
vitamins, although I'm not sure that's really necessary.

Enjoy your petite one!

Judy Drake
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady)
Subject: Re: How to get daughter more career-minded?
Organization: Bellcore - Piscataway, NJ
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 12:23:58 GMT

In article <1a7qagINNf3g@gap.caltech.edu> hough@seismo.gps.caltech.edu (Susan Hough) writes:
>In article <1992Sep28.174219.4216@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jackie8@dasher.uucp (Jackie Brady) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep28.160918.12999@engage.pko.dec.com> pub@riscee.pko.dec.com (Publius) writes:
>>>We have a 4 years old daughter who is really bright.  Her preschool
>>[stuff on trying to get a 4 year old thinking of a career deleted]
>>
>>I may be opening up a flame war for asking this, but does anyone
>>else think that a 4 year old is just a little *too* young to have
>>a career formulated already?  
>
>Yes.  I _can_ understand being concerned that a bright little girl
>keep all of her options open in the face of so many subtle pressures
>against academic/career success for females, but there are a couple
>of things to keep in mind.  One is that kids have been known to
>change their minds between pre-school and declaration of a college
>major.   What did _you_ want to be when you were four years old?  I 

If this question was directed at me, I wanted to answer it. When I was
_four_ years old, I don't specifically remember having any career
aspirations. At that time, my main goal in life was to be Mrs. Chad
Everett. (Medical Center was a big thing then.)  Later on, about 6-7,
I changed my goal to be Mrs. David Cassidy or Mrs. Donny Osmond.  For
some unknown reason, even at *that* age I thought more about boys then
I thought about making money.  :-)

>I would make sure that bright children have lots of books, and
>lots of room to ride their bikes, and finally lots of room
>to make their own decisions.

The best way to handle it, IMHO.

Jackie
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: d8b@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Boudria)
Subject: Re: Nostalgia Toys
Organization: Raytheon Company, Portsmouth, RI
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 12:14:02 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.183348.557@ttinews.tti.com> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>In article <2286@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM> susan.davis@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis) writes:
>
>>Slime was this green stuff
>>that looked like snot and was cold and clammy.
>
>If your snot looks like "Slime", get to a doctor!  That stuff was
>fluorescent green!
[stuff deleted]
>brother David, of the Partridge Family,  was a teen heart-throb around
>1970.  He filled the void left by Davey Jones when NBC cancelled The
>Monkees in 1968.  Ah the good old days.
>
>I've decided to start a new cable TV channel, called The Reid's
>Childhood Channel.  It'll be reruns of everything that was broadcast
>between 1964 and 1972 (from my earliest memories to puberty).  Star
>Trek will be on at least five times a day.  Prior to 9 PM, all material
>suitable for children (well, I might leave the drug humor in The
>Monkees).  Any subscribers?
>
Count me in!  Born in 1960 and loving every one of those old shows.
Remember Bobby Sherman, I only vaguely remember his show (other than
Here Come the Brides).  He was my heartthrob for a lot of years after:
Fred Flintstone
Greg Brady
Davey Jones
Donny Osmond
David Cassidy
Bobby Sherman

I guess you never really grow up because now it's

Mel Gibson
Bruce Willis
Mark Harmon, etc.
>=====================================================================
>Reid Kneeland
>reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
>Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
>The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...
>
>Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.

Denise
From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: "empathy belly" toy?
Date: 5 Oct 1992 18:21:36 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
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Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


Today's Ann Landers column had a letter about a new toy, designed to 
simulate pregnancy for a little girl. Push a button and you can feel 
the strapped-on baby doll kick, or its heartbeat. The letter was the 
usual "what's the world coming to these days" lament, condemning the 
manufacturers, saying this is the last thing we need with teen 
pregnancy rates the way they are today in the U.S. (Ann Landers agreed, 
of course.)

Have you heard of the "Empathy Belly"? Designed to give the pregnant 
woman's husband a hint of how uncomfortable she may be, it has weights, 
a band around the chest to make breathing difficult, something to put 
pressure on the bladder, etc. Some childbirth preparation classes have 
the husbands try it on.

If the manufacturer would combine the two concepts, this could be a 
pretty potent force *against* teen pregnancy. Trouble is, you don't 
want your daughter TOO turned off on the idea of childbearing, or 
you'll never get any grandchildren. :-)

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: d85-hga@dront.nada.kth.se (Hillevi Gavel)
Subject: Re: Pacifiers
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 09:28:15 GMT

In article <21809@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth
Weiss) writes:
>.....
>Big question: when do you stop offering the pacifier?  I hate to see
>an older child with one--and don't even like the way it hides Jordan's
>mouth now.   I don't want it to turn into his "lovey", but I don't
>want to take it from him if he still needs non-nutritive sucking.

We found the pacifier rather useful until kid had stopped teething.
(Example: Family wisiting New York. Kid (17 months) desides to crawl
along the sidwalk, and dips hands in pool in the gutter. THen desides
that his gums itch. Put hands in moths for a good chew. Only time
we've had a taxi-driver yelling at us. He didn't think it looked
healthy. We quickly plugged kids mouth with a pacifier).

Here are some rules we had: Never put a pacifier in the mouth of a
child who is able to do it self. (Except for situations like the one
above). Put it in kid's hand, if you think s/he'll want it.

Pacifier only in bed or stroller (after age 18 months, I think). We
had a pacifier fastened with a very short piece of string to the crib,
and kid could go there and have a suck, if he wanted.

One thing that did not work out, but that I think would if better
implemented, was to tie pacifier to a teddybear. Supposed to make the
pacifier to bulky to carry around in mouth, but make it simple to sit
down and suck and cuddle teddy, if tired. We used too small a
teddybear, and kid _did_ carry it in his mouth, refusing pacifiers
without teddy! I think a pillow might work. (I got the idea when
reading about a sight-impaired boy, whose mother had tied his pacifier
to his cuddle-pillow. It was easier for him to find the pillow than
the little pacifier).

When child decided that he was a big boy and didn't need a nap, at age
two, we throw away tha pacifiers. He was so sleepy at night that he
wasn't able to complaning for more than about 30 seconds before
dropping off.

-- 
Hillevi Gavel		"The child may not be subject to corporal punishment 
Stockholm		or other abusive treatment" 
Sweden			-- Swedish law
From: bsmith@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (ROBERT SMITH)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Rubbing backs to put children to sleep
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:34:13 GMT
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <GeraldR.88.0@sunfish.ratsys.com> GeraldR@sunfish.ratsys.com
(Gerald Ruderman) writes:
>My 9 year old still likes having her back rubbed to help her go to sleep. I 
>think this started in day care around the time she was 2 or 3.
>
>I don't remember ever wanting this. Do other children like it? Is there 
        [remainder deleted]

Our almost 3 YO likes to have mom rub his back before bed.  This a fairly
recent phenomenon.  Our feeling is that it is another delaying tactic on those
nights when he doesn't want to go to bed (but we do it anyway).




-- 
Bob Smith
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From: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: maternity pantyhose...funny
Date: 25 Sep 92 12:48:19 GMT
Reply-To: pleeper@wtcp.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Paulette Leeper)
Distribution: world
Organization: IRP Corporate Data Planning - Dayton, OH

Whatever you do, DON'T try this:

When my sister-in-law was pregnant just at that stage where regular
pantyhose become much too tight (especially after lunch), she figured
that she'd just cut the waistband a bit with a pair of scissors to 
give herself a bit more room.

Upon returning from lunch, waiting for the elevator in the lobby,
the...eh..."slit"....expanded and severed her pantyhose IN HALF 
before she could correctly identify the sensation.  In a moment,
her pantyhose-turned-kneehighs were bunched around her ankles!

I'm cracking up just picturing this again :-D :-D :-D :-D


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Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med,misc.education
From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 10:44:12 EDT



In article <aidler.718259472@sanjuan> aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes, regarding a child with ADD/ADHD: 
>The school adminstration and the mental health 
>personnel suggested Ritalin to "manage his condition."
>My wife rejected this solution because of her
>preference for "non-traditional medicine."
>
>A local naturopath diagnosed my son with allergies
>to 49 different foods, everything from chicken to 
>broccoli.  We chose to innoculate him against the
>basic items, eg., alcohol (in fruit and vegetables) 
>and wheat, etc., and eliminate some of the more exotic
>foods, like almonds, from his diet.
>
>Since we refused to administer Ritalin to our son (and
>because he was making his kindergarten and then grade
>one classes unbearable), our school district has placed 
>him in a "behavior management" class for the second
>and third grades.
>
>The allergy treatments, modified diet, forbidding him to
>watch violence on T.V., and more rigid routine at school 
>and home has allowed my son to make some progress in 
>controlling his own behavior without the possible
>side-effects of Ritalin.
>I don't know whether he will ever reach the point where 
>he will be able to participate in a regular classroom.


I am not sure what side effects of Ritalin you fear. 
The medication is generally well tolerated, requiring much
less lifestyle adjustment than you have put in place for
behavioral management.   I would point out that the your
"refusal" to try Ritalin for this child may have serious 
side effects; which might include life long stigmatization,
academic underachievement, low self esteem, etc etc. 

How will you ever know whether or not Ritalin or another
medication would help unless its given a cautious and closely
observed trial?  Perhaps with medication he might be in a 
mainstream classroom.

It is sometimes difficult to understand why educated and reasonable
people would put more faith in a "naturopath" than in physicians
or psychologists


>
>I empathize with parents efforts to manage an ADD child
>within their family.  Providing for my son's care has 
>taken concerted effort from my wife (a full-time mother), 
>myself, his two younger sisters, and our school district.
>For families with less resources (time) to contain one of 
>these children, perhaps Ritalin is more appropriate treatment.


Ritalin is not a replacement for parental time.  Its a treatment
of startling effectiveness for some kids.  If an ADD child is
successfully treated with Ritalin, all that quality time can be
spent on other, more advanced less remedial things.


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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Easy birth story
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 17:20:27 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.153024.29694@scubed.com> mona@scubed.com (Mona Ellis) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.143229.21967@col.hp.com> beth@col.hp.com (Beth Vail Jones) writes:
>>
>>This process is called "fundal massage" and is intended to keep the
>>fundus (uterus) contracted to prevent excessive bleeding.  The inside
>>of the uterus has a lot of raw surface where the placenta used to be.
>>
>> It was worse after my c-section than after vaginal birth.
>
>  Okay, when this thread started I assumed that since I had a c-section
>  that they didn't do the massage.  I really don't remember anyone
>  doing this to me, maybe I slept through it.  But if it hurts that
>  much I doubt it.  Is there anyone else out there that doesn't
>  remember having this done?
>
>  mona

Well, I suspect it doesn't always hurt that much.  (I didn't
have a C-section.) When the nurse(s) came by to check & do the
message they were very nice, explained what they were doing,
suggested  I do it myself, and kept apologizing for
discomfort.  But, actually, it just did not bother me 
particularly.

Elise.

Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
From: af5@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Wendy Lin)
Subject: Re: Attention Deficit Disorder Resources
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 17:33:10 GMT

In article <ld3f9aINNc9p@news.bbn.com> levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes:
>yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
>
>If that bothers you, you should try keeping sci.med out of the list
>of newsgroups you crosspost to.
I hope you are not suggesting that we misc.kids readers prefer anecdote
to science. :-)

Wendy Lin
From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Female "Circumcision"
Date: 30 Sep 92 08:56:29 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1992Sep29.113043.1@amherst.edu> njamal@amherst.edu writes:
>
>This is simply not true.  Female circumsision is NOT a Muslim practice.
>It is not practices in the Muslim Arab world and in parts of Africa where
>it is practiced (e.g., Ethiopia and Eritrea in East Africa), it is
>practiced by the Christian population!
>
>
>Nuhad Jamal
>njamal@amherst

I don't think this is a Christian v. Muslim issue at all.  Rather,
there are parts of the world where female circumcision has been
practiced since before the coming of either Christianity or Islam.  

Alison
From: neal@hpcndm.CND.HP.COM (Neal Bauer)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 17:40:45 GMT
Subject: It's A Baby Woman!
Organization: HP Network and System Management Division
Newsgroups: misc.kids


Phoebe Elisabeth Bauer
was born August 11, 1992
to Susan Ramirez and Neal Bauer.

Phoebe, who weighed 7 pounds 11 ounces at birth, has gained more than 
3 pounds in her first five weeks.  She has big hands and feet, too; if
she were a puppy, people would say, "She must be a malamute cross.  
She's going to be huge.  Are you sure there's no wolf in her?"  If she
were a boy they'd say, "What a big boy!  He's going to be a football
player!"  I'm sure there's no wolf in her.  But maybe she'll be the
first female linebacker in professional football.

Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education,k12.chat.teacher,sci.med,chi.general
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: you know you're a parent when....
Date: 3 Oct 1992 15:17:31 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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...you have to take 2 pairs of "just-in-case" panties out of your purse every
time you need your wallet, keys, etc.

SUsan
From: nance@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (nancy.l.colucci)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Experiments
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:45:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Speaking of experiments, there's the one that shows how soap works.
You take a pie plate, fill it with about an inch of water and shake
some pepper over it so the pepper is floating on top of the water.

Take a bar of soap and touch it into the water.  Watch the pepper
swim away to the other side of the pan!  After you do this enough and
the water gets soapy, the pepper will start to sink to the bottom.

The soap is breaking down that "skin" on top of the water.


-Nance
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
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RE: One Year Olds

Now I'm no expert, but I think is important for a child, even
a one year to win a battle now and again.  What if everytime
you had an opinion it got rejected, pretty depressing huh.
I think even some big battles (such as the diapering issue)
should be "won" by the little tykes sometimes.  Winning may
just mean postponing it or something, but I know I like when
I get my way!

JMHO,

 Danielle (Taylor's Mom - 1 year and 11 days!!!)
From: exusag@exu.ericsson.se (Serena Gilbert,cs,x0364)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to get son more career-minded? : -
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:07:30 GMT
Reply-To: exusag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson in North America.
              The opinions expressed are strictly those of the user and
              not necessarily those of Ericsson.

In article 25495@osh3.OSHA.GOV, craig@osh3.OSHA.GOV (Craig Nordin) writes:
> In <1aa85qINNavb@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt) writes:
> 
> >So, am I the only person on the net who thinks that staying home with
> >his kids has more value than writing computer games for a living????
> >The little voice inside me that keeps saying I made a very poor career
> >choice for myself this time around keeps growing louder and louder....
> >-nvv
> 
> NO!
> 
> If I didn't have all the traditional "male" ways, I'd like to do it.
> 
> There aren't too many women who would put up with my burnt meatloaf
> for more than a few months though. 
> 
> I liked being in the Army for eight years, but that pretty much changed
> me into the non-domestic (I can help, but I can't lead at home -- yet!)
> beast I am now.
> 
>... stuff deleted> 
> 
> 
> 
>  -
>  US Department of Labor      Craig Nordin          craig@osh3.osha.gov
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>  200 Constitution Ave. NW Phone (FTS/202) v:523-7131 x57  fax:523-2830
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> 
> 
> 

Great excuse, but I don't think my husband would buy it.

--Serena
From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Easy birth story
Date: 28 Sep 1992 20:59:44 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Sep25.153024.29694@scubed.com>, mona@scubed.com (Mona Ellis) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep23.143229.21967@col.hp.com> beth@col.hp.com (Beth Vail Jones) writes:
|> >
|> >This process is called "fundal massage" and is intended to keep the
|> >fundus (uterus) contracted to prevent excessive bleeding.  The inside
|> >of the uterus has a lot of raw surface where the placenta used to be.
|> >
|> > It was worse after my c-section than after vaginal birth.
|> 
|>   Okay, when this thread started I assumed that since I had a c-section
|>   that they didn't do the massage.  I really don't remember anyone
|>   doing this to me, maybe I slept through it.  But if it hurts that
|>   much I doubt it.  Is there anyone else out there that doesn't
|>   remember having this done?

They certainly didn't do it to me! As I still had an epidural for a 
couple of days afterwards, it wouldn't have been as terrible, but I 
would have noticed anyone doing anything like that anyway.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
From: gorman@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anne-Marie K. Gorman)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: No Santa Claus ???
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:02:17 GMT
Organization: UB

My sisters and I never believed in Santa Claus.  He was just a nice story
to us.  When relatives asked "What did Santa bring you?" to us it was
just another way of asking "What did you get for Christmas?"  It may have
helped that we knew stories about St Nicholas in varying degrees of 
historical accuracy.

I can't remember ever telling any other kids that Santa wasn't real.

Anne-Marie

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