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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 13:56:58 GMT

In article <16B4D95E9.M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org> M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk) writes:
>In article <1993Jan4.045240.11706@news2.cis.umn.edu>

>  Throwing food on the floor - that stage passes.  I think both of my kids
>went through it.  In fact, my son still does it sometimes and it is a signal
>to me that dinnertime is over for him.  He has to get down from the table when
>he does that.  Last night, he ate spaghetti for dinner and didn't throw a
>single strand to the dog (who loves it!) because spaghetti is his favorite.  If
>I am really worried that he won't eat something, I feed him myself.  Mealtime
>is just not an easy time when food looks like a good plaything, the dog is
>waiting below, and a child is not particularly hungry (being hungry and being
>served a favorite food is a guarantee of a clean plate in my house, for adults
>and kids!).
>                                        Good Luck!
> 

  I can't wait to get a dog, for this very reason.  Right now, if my son
  throws food on the floor and I don't get around to picking up every
  rice grain, the mice get it.  The next day, I go looking for the rice
  and it's all gone!  (It's hard for me to clean after dinner because
  my Braxton-Hicks seem to get worse at the end of the day, whereas when
  I wake up in the morning I don't get them).  However on the weekends,
  my son will walk around and diligently pick up every piece of cereal
  and food that he had thrown previously and hand it to me to throw
  in the trash.  He knows not to put it in his mouth, because we tell
  him it's dirty.  If we had a dog....  Our two dogs were the vacuum
  cleaners at home when we were growing up.  They even licked the
  floor clean!  We weren't allowed to deliberately throw food to them
  but if something dropped...  :-)
From: derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL (Toni Derion)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: folic acid & pregnancy
Date: 7 Jan 93 17:56:34 GMT
Reply-To: derion@VAX309.NOSC.MIL
Organization: Naval Health Research Center, San Diego, CA

There has been some talk in the media of late about the necessity
for pregnant women to consume enough folic acid to ensure the
proper neural development of their unborn children.  What follows is
an excerpt from the Dec 1992 issue of _Nutrition_Action_ for those of
you who aren't aware of this issue:

***
Consuming 0.4 mg of folic acid every day may cut in half the risk of
having a child with a neural tube defect (NTD).  Every yr, 2500 babies
are born in the US with an NTD.  Those born with no brain (anencephaly)
die soon after birth, and 2/3 of those with spina bifida survive but
often suffer mental retardation, paralysis below the waist, or lack
of bladder/bowel control.  You can get folic acid from leafy green
veggies, orange juice, beans, and fortified breakfast cereals.
***

The article recommends multivitamin supplements, and cites
_Morbid._Mortal._Weekly_Rev._ 41: Sept 11, 1992 as the primary
source for the info in the article.

Toni
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: betsy@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Betsy Mandrus)
Subject: Re: Preventive Antibiotics
Reply-To: betsy@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Betsy Mandrus)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 17:36:53 GMT

> In article <29059@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
> > What have people's experiences been with preventive antibiotics? 

My older child (3 next month) is a frequent ear-infection sufferer. We have
used preventative antibiotics in several different ways:

amoxycillan twice a day all winter long

amoxycillan full dose (3 times a day) for 10 days whenever a cold starts

Gantricion twice a day all winter long

Gantricin was last winter. I seem to recall that it was extremely effective.
I believe he was started on it after he finally broke through the amoxycillan.

We were using amoxycillan all the time this winter until he broke through. We
always go on Bactrim if amoxycillan fails. Bactrim is apparently very strong
and kills about any infection, such as those colds that just won't go away.
(I ASK for it in this cases.) Now we are using amoxycillan whenever a cold
starts. That was effective for his last cold.

The baby (8 1/2 months) has gotten several ear infections already. The doctor
gave me a preventative prescription for the next cold (full dose for 10 days
when cold starts). So far we've been about a month without any colds so I
haven't had to fill it. (Yay!)

Summary: If your child would get 7 or 8 infections a winter, I think the
preventative antibiotics probably bring that down to 1 or 2. At 50 bucks
a pop at the emergency room and possibly time off from work to take the
kids, I'd recommend it.

Disclaimer: I really like and trust my doctor. To his credit, he has never
recommended tubes.
From: cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: episiotomy study
Date: 6 Jan 1993 15:05:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: cn262@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cindy Carpenter)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



A while ago someone asked for the citation for a recent Canadian study
on episiotomies.  The latest issue of _Mothering_ (No. 66,
Spring 1993, p. 28) describes this study and gives some more info about
it; unfortunately it doesn't provide an actual citation.  Their
information comes from an article about the study in _The Santa Fe New
Mexican_, 2 July 1992, pp. A-1, A-3.

According to the blurb in _Mothering_, the study involved 1,050 birthing
women and showed that the episiotomy procedure "proved of no value in
the prevention of perineal tearing, caused no difference in birth
outcomes (all the women had healthy babies), shortened the second stage
of labor by nine minutes (not statistically significant), and failed to
contribute to the 'enhancement of sexual functioning' after birth. 
Women who birthed with an intact perineum fared best; women with
spontaneous perineal tears had outcomes comparable to those with
surgical incisions.  Moreover, 46 out of 47 women receiving episiotomies
'had the tear extend into the rectum producing the worst outcome,'
according to study director Dr. Michael C. Klein...'Based on the results
of our study,' the authors conclude, 'it is our recommendation that
liberal or routine use of episiotomy be abandoned.'"  The study was done
by researchers at the Jewish General Hospital and McGill University in
Montreal.

- Cindy
From: bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Disposables question
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:26:03 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

> cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
>How are you supposed to check if those water-tight, "stay dry"
>disposables have urine in them without fully undressing the poor kid?

There are four ways I use:
   --slip hand on top of diaper.  If it's warm, it's newly wet.
   --slip finger in diaper.  Feel diaper
   --feel diaper--if it feels bulky and full, it's wet
   --for pooper diapers, I can often smell them, or can see the
     poopers at the edge of the leg, just waiting to ooze out and get
     everything dirty.    (don't ask why we have 'pooper' diapers and
     not 'poopy' diapers at our house :-)-- 
--
--Beth Weiss
bweiss@cs.arizona.edu
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: re: music (and jaccuzi's) in labor rooms
Date: 9 Jan 1993 21:38:25 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Hi folks,

I just read about various peoples' selections of music during labor. 
Ours was CBS's morning show or the weather channel (flipping :-). 
For the persons liking country music, what better than the famous hit
by Billy Ray Cyrus, "Achy Braky Back" ???

Seriously now, a couple of you mentioned hospital rooms (Labor and Recovery
Rooms) with Jaccuzi's (sp!). I wonder why? Our ob/gyn mentioned no
sit-down baths AFTER labor for a few days (other than the magic wand 
thing for the episiotomy :-)) and for the life of me I can't imagine
someone being in labor in a jaccuzzi. I talked it over with my wife (who
did all the work :-) and she couldn't fathom it either.

Could someone share some light here? What good is a jaccuzzi in labor
and/or delivery? ( I can see it useful in earlier stages in the process,
i.e. conception :-))

Also, is the trend towards single room for the mother from the time she
arrives till the time everyone goes home? Our hospital has a rather
structured system (early labor lounge used when there's no space
in LDR rooms, regular labor rooms, a couple of specialized labor
rooms, and all recovery after delivery (~2 hours) is done in private/
semiprivate/suite rooms upstairs. A couple of hospitals in the area 
redid their maternity wards and used a single room for labor, recovery,
AND the 2-3 days after labor. 

Spiros
--
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:43:59 GMT

 In article <JGJ.93Jan5095143@rcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>, jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson) 

> Here's a question (to tie things back into misc.kids sort of): did
> *anyone* out there ever have a civics class as a kid that actually
> taught the bill of rights?  Did anyone out there ever even read the
> constitution as part of a class?  I know I never had such a class.
> I've always thought that one of the conditions for graduating from one
> grade to another should be to recite the whole constitution with
> amendments from memory.

Well, there's teaching the Bill of Rights, and then there's teaching
what you think it means.  There are plenty of teachers who will teach
the *words* of the amendments, but will explain away, in typical
statist fashion, most of the rights that are granted:

"Well, the first amendment doesn't REALLY mean that you can print or
say anything you want.  It doesn't apply to things that are obscene or
inflamatory.  The government can decide what is or isn't fit to print."

"Well, the second amendment doesn't REALLY mean you have the right to a
gun; it's obsolete.  There's no reason for a decent person to have a
gun any more.  We can trust the government to protect us."

"Well, we NEED to sidestep the fourth and fifth amendments to make sure
drug dealers go to jail.  If people have nothing to hide, they have
nothing to fear from the government."

And so forth.  This shit really does get taught in schools.  Teach
enough kids this way, and the BoR might as well not even be there.

Any time somone says "The Founding Fathers certainly never intended..."
to justify an abridgement of a right spelled out in the Constitution,
they are almost certainly wrong.  What the Founders never intended was
for the US government to become the behemoth it has, and to interfere
in people's lives to the extent that it does.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com  (that's MISTER reid@tti.com to you!)
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: darsie@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Richard Darsie)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cute things they do, siblings
Date: 11 Jan 93 23:31:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of California, Davis

In article <29456@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst) writes:
> 
> I have several cute stories to tell, all about sibling interaction:
> (Brad is 2 years, 5 months, and Carrie is almost 7 months)

        [stories deleted]
> 
> Diane Segelhorst
> dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
> Mom to Brad, 2.5 years, and Carrie, 7 months

This past weekend, my wife was out on Saturday night to a party at her
boss' house where children are not welcome :( so I stayed home with
the boys (Sean, 3 & Brendan, 6). I was getting Sean to do a little
clean up in his room, when he just out of the blue threw a toy and
hit me with it.  Being the patient, understanding soul that I am,
I lost my temper and handed him the consequence of an immediate
bath and bedtime with no stories (this is a consequence that both
kids really *hate*, so presumably it's an effective deterrent).
Well, when I was giving Sean a bath Brendan came into the bathroom.
He knew what was going on and that Sean would get no stories.
So, Brendan sat there next to the bathtub and *told* Sean two
stories - very good ones too! I was very touched by this evidence
of sibling loyalty. (It goes both directions too - Sean adores his
big brother, though they do fight alot too.)

Richard Darsie
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz)
Subject: Re: Water for babies
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:06:44 GMT

I'm sorry I didn't post the age of the baby I was talking about.  Actually,
my daughter is due Jan. 12 and I am gathering information for her.  Don't
know why I/we rely so much on this computer but it's fun to see what people
think and feel all over the world.

I have two little nieces (2 1/2 and 1 year old).  My sister-in-law never gives
them water.  She never has from the time they were born.  My daughter has a
friend that just had a baby and she never gives her baby water.  It seems
that most people we talk to don't give water.  My daughter isn't going to
breastfeed (please don't flame me/her).  I don't know if this makes a
difference with giving water or not.  Anyway, thanks for all of your
responses.  (We go to the doctor today, hope he tells her something,
she is really ready to have this baby.)

Jan
From: dolson@crl.ucsd.edu (Mark Dolson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Help with Spanking Alternatives
Date: 6 Jan 1993 10:01:34 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Sorry, but I have lost the original author on this.  Still can't get my
newsreader to do followups.


>Something I read recently has helped me to deal with behaviors I don't
>like in my daughter.  In a book called _The Simple Life_ (can't remember
>author now, sorry), a woman who chose to live with the Amish people for
>a while describes her experiences.  She reported that although the Amish
>place a *very* high value on obedience, they don't discipline their
>children at all when they're under two years old.  They recognize and
>*accept* what Theresa wrote in her post - children at this age are
>basically "too young to understand reasoning."  



The book is _Plain and Simple_ : A Woman's Journey to the Amish.  I just
finished reading it (when I was sick in bed last week).  It is a wonder-
ful, centering book and I plan to give it as gifts to many people.
The author is Sue Bender.  ISBN 0-06-250186-0  Harper-Collins

PS - The book is not about childrearing - the above caught my attention,
too, but was only about one paragraph.  It is a very "quick read", but
a book I will certainly return to.

Laura Dolson
dolson@crl.ucsd.edu
Mom to 21 mo old Emily
From: valjorge@leapyear.EBay.Sun.COM (Valerie Jorge)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Babysitting Woes...need Nanny information.
Date: 8 Jan 1993 23:27:41 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: leapyear.ebay.sun.com

In article <1993Jan7.190146.22239@informix.com> alison@husky.informix writes:
>In article 28475@mailhost.bl.cad.slb.com, hackney@boston.sinet.slb.com (Kirsten Werne) writes:
>>
>>Hi Everyone,
>>
>>Here we go again!  Our home daycare provider told us last night that she is
>>quitting.  Awful timing...I am 6 1/2 months pregnant with our second so I 
>Alison Suggs
>mom to Danika, 8 mos.

I tried to mail you but didn't make it through.
Where on the west coast do you live?

We are in Cupertino and also interested in
sharing a nanny.  Let me know if you are
close!

Valerie Hayes
valjorge@leapyear.EBay.sun.com
From: elg@elgamy.jpunix.com (Eric Lee Green)
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:41:53 CDT
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Distribution: world
Organization: Eric's Amiga 2000 @ Home

From article <1ia98sINNs55@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, by pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch):
>
> In article <dlhanson.26.726174156@nap.amoco.com>, dlhanson@nap.amoco.com
> (David L. Hanson) writes:
>> This was posted to the home-ed-politics mailing list a few weeks ago (not
>> by me). I believe that it contains valuable information to help all parents
>> to protect their family from the State.
>
> *WHAT* is this guy trying to hide? What is he *doing* to his kids, that he's
> so uptight about the idea of allowing any outsiders to see what goes on in
> his home?

Note that school authorities in many locations regularly report home
schoolers for probable "child abuse". This harassment by school authorities
happens often enough for many home schooler's paranoia to be reasonably
justified by the facts.

There are some so-called "professional educators" who feel very personally
threatened by home-schooling, and do everything in their power to make home
schooler's lives miserable. Including calling up their old pal old buddy
old friend at social services and saying, "Go dig up some dirt on this scum
home-schooler" (using more subtle wording, of course!).

--
 Eric Lee Green  elg@elgamy.jpunix.com   Dodson Elementary
 (713) 664-6446                             Houston, TX
                "Kids are kids, no matter what"

Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Thu,  7 Jan 1993 10:03:11 -0500 
From: Laura McGinnis <lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: How do you get a 7 month old to stay still!!!
	<1993Jan6.185040.16915@cbnews.cb.att.com>
Distribution: na

On 06-Jan-93 in Re: How do you get a 7 mont..
user karen.l.carr@cbnews.cb.a writes:
>I also have found that despite the fact she clenches her jaw when she sees
>the dropper coming close to her mouth, if I just wait a few more seconds,
>she will open her mouth to scream -- in goes the dropper and the medicine.
>She just hasn't learned that she has to stop crying/screaming if she
>doesn't want it! (By the way, those seconds seem like minutes while you are
>waiting with a dropper full of medicine and alot more to go!)

A trick we learned from our pediatricians:  When giving medicine from a
dropper, try not to put it on the child's tongue.  Try to get it between
the cheek & gum or gum & tongue.  That way, they can't push it out of
their mouth.  Admittedly, with a determined child, you may not have much
of a chance to aim, but when the mouth is wide open to scream, you do
get a bigger target.

One thing not to do: don't try to "shoot" the medicine down the baby's
throat.  This could cause the baby to gag, which might bring the
medicine (& everything else in the stomach) back for a second look. 
Gagging can happen pretty easily when the baby is crying or screaming.

I hope this helps.  Sorry I can't give any recommendations about how to
stop a child from squirming.  Margee's a master at this right now & it
takes 2 of us to change her - one for the top & one for the bottom.  I
asked the nanny for her secret, & she told us Margee doesn't squirm for
her!  I figure it's the nanny's more extensive experience (5 kids of her
own + grandchildren & some recent great-grandchildren), which I can't
hope tooduplicate in a mere 3 years of parenting.  Oh, well.

Laura
(Mom to Mickey, 3 yrs & Margee, 7 months)
From: drh@dpfe.UUCP (David R Huddleston Sr)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Common Sense and Participation
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:35:34 GMT
Reply-To: drh@dpfe.UUCP ()
Distribution: world
Organization: NCR Division of AT&T

Come on people!!  After reading many posts here, it seem to me that the only thing needed is common sense.  Corporal punishment??  Pick your battles!!  Which 
shirt to wear, or what to eat doesn't matter. Using drugs and alcohol does!  

I have been involved in EVERY activity each of my 3 children are in.  I am a
Scoutmaster, gymnastics judge, Band parent, School Parent, etc, etc..  I have
seen over the past 13 years, a major lack of concern by the "professional"
parents of today.  Send the kids to daycare, latchkey, "let's go party - the
kids will be fine", etc..  Then the wonder why in the heck their kids get into 
trouble.  

Kids need alot of attention and love.  If you show them the love, and give them
a warm and secure home, most of the "problems" of today go away.  I have had 
several children in Scouts, which were "uncontrollable" in school and at home, 
but after a few meetings, they quickly learned that I wouldn't put up with 
crap, and they were great kids after that.  Everyone thought I'd worked a 
miracle, and all I did was set the rules and show them I cared.

As a parent, it is your JOB to do this, and if all you care about is a new house
and car, then don't have kids!!!!!

 
$
From: winner@goofy.apple.COM (Stephanie Winner)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Daycare vs. Nanny; FT vs. PT for an Infant
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:56:51 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <29029@oasys.dt.navy.mil> cooper@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lynette Cooper) writes:
>In misc.kids, amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp) writes:
>>However, I'm sure at SOME age the stimulation of other children
>>wins out over staying at home with a nanny.  What's that age?
>
>My daughter started going to a daycare home with other children when
>she was about 18 months old.  She's a shy child, but by that age she
>was thrilled to have the other kids to play with.  So I'd say the age
>is between 12 to 18 months.  I think that one-on-one care is great for
>infants.
>
I remember reading that girls under 2 seem to benefit from being
around other kids their age (it was in Working Mother Mag).  Perhaps
the age where boys benefit from interactions with other kids is
older.

In my experience we started our 2 yr old girl in a center a couple
of months ago and she loves it.  We probably should have sent her
sooner.  Her younger sister (10 mo) started this week and seems to
like it too (we didn't intend to start her until 15 mo, but ended 
up not having a choice).

Stephanie Winner
winner@apple.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: guido@island.COM (Guido Marx)
Subject: Re: Circumcision etc.
Organization: Island Graphics Corp.  San Rafael, Ca.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:28:32 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.093449.21600@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>And as another private poster wrote, how many of you antis are writing from
>a position of ivory tower ignorance?  Sure, theoretically it's very easy to
>take care of an uncirced penis, but real life is often different from
>theory, and there are many people out there who just don't do it, and who
>may end up suffering as a result.

Well, I am the circumcised father of an un-circumcised 2.5 year-old.
So far, the "care of an uncirced penis" consists of washing his penis
just like we wash every other part of his body.  Our pediatrician tells
us that MOST of the problems related to foreskins are due to ignorance.
People retracting the foreskin before it is ready to clean it.  Many boys
won't be able to fully retract until they reach puberty, and the foreskin
should NEVER be retracted forecfully.  Our sons foreskin does not yet
retract.

>Come on people, it's a wash.  We've got statistics that regularly conflict
>with each other...

If it is a wash, it seems to me that this favors the view that circumcision
should be postponed until the child can decide what he wants to do.  In my
view, and invasive, irreversible procedure such as this shouldn't be
performed without strong medical evidence that is neccessary.

Guido
Newsgroups: misc.kids