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From: ecarsten@next1.cs.umr.edu (Edward Carstens)
Subject: Re: Pickle Family Circus
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:57:39 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri-Rolla, Missouri's Technological University

In article <8DEC199212465024@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> femanrs@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov  
(BRUCE MANNERS) writes:
> Does anyone know what jugglers are presently performing with the Pickle 
> Family Circus?

I think Cindy Marvel is still in it.  Can anyone confirm this?

-Ed Carstens
Creator of JugglePro
From: ben@crash.cts.com (Ben Decker)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: What impresses a crowd?
Date: 20 Dec 92 01:35:39 GMT
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA

Impressing a crowd...? The last thing you want to do is try to impress a
crowd with skill that includes no "sales" of the difficulty involved. In
other words, you have to entertain them on their own level. They will
_never_ appreciate the amount of work that went into a trick like another
juggler will. This is the number one flaw I see in most juggling shows.
Trying to do "juggler tricks" for non-jugglers.

I learned a long time ago to "sell" the show. It works. I tell them
how hard something is. I break tricks down into pieces that they can
understand. I have been told _way_ too many times that I'm a better
juggler than some other juggler they have seen when I know darn good and
well that I can't hold a candle to the other juggler when it comes to
technique.

So, what do you do? You _juggle_ for yourself, you _entertain_ for non-
jugglers. I am constantly asked why I don't do shows at Club Renegade, etc.
The reason is simple: I am not a juggler's juggler and never will be! No,
I won't impress at an IJA convention, but I'm working :)

By they way, the best acts I've ever seen are the _very_ few that can do
realy juggling tricks _and_ entertain at the same time (Edward Jackman
and Mark Nizer come to mind), but they are really few and far between.


			-Ben
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From: amorgan@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Crunchy Frog)
Subject: Re: What Impresses an Audience?
Originator: amorgan@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:26:19 GMT

In article <BzExrs.LEp@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> miguel@aclcb.purdue.edu writes:
>In article <1gog5sINN4cs@agate.berkeley.edu>, 
>  jeff@econBerkeley.EDU (Jeffrey C. Ely) writes:
>>Who Cares?  Juggling is for the enjoyment of the juggler.
>
>  I believe this to be THE dividing line.  If juggling is for the enjoyment 
>of the juggler then numbers juggling and notation juggling (such as site 
>swaps, MHN, etc.) are a legitimate juggling pursuit.  If juggling is for 
>the enjoyment of the audience (or to pay the juggler's bills) they are not.

The way you phrase this seems to imply that it must be either one or
the other.  Juggling is (I think) primarily for the enjoyment of the
juggler.  If we didn't like it we wouldn't be doing it .  Now, if you 
want to make some money at it you must have a secondary goal of pleasing 
the audience as well.  If you forget to please yourself, however, then 
you might as well not bother.

Finally, *anything* a juggler wants to do is a legitimate pursuit.
I work on nothing but numbers.  I don't pass clubs much, I don't
do much 3 object stuff, in fact I don't do an awful lot of stuff
that would cause someone to watch me juggle for hours upon end.
It is fortunate that I don't *want* to perform seeing as how
what I do is of interest to other jugglers only.

C "Boring juggler, and proud of it" Frog
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:20:23 -0500 
From: Jesse Schell <jscn+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Carlo's Book

Some advice to the person with the ethical dilemma concerning The
Juggling Book, by Carlo, and the bureaucracy of libraries:

Nowadays, Carlo's book really isn't very good compared to other
offerings. It doesn't have enough pictures, and is rather out of date.
So, it is of little use to most non-jugglers. The only reason a juggler
would want it (and I presume the reason you want it) is that it is an
interesting collectible. I suggest that you help out the non-jugglers of
the world by using the libraries bureaucracy to your advantage. STEAL
the book. The library will never know. In return, donate a new copy of
The Complete Juggler (or some similar text) to the library (they of
course, prefer hardcovers... good luck). 

I think that in this case the ends justify the means. In the end, you
will have the book you want for your collection, the library will have a
brand-new, up-to-date, much-better-than-Carlo book, and you will save a
few souls from Carlo's confusing text, making it easier for them to
learn juggling.

It is always easier to apologize than to ask permission.
--------------------------------
Jesse Schell
jscn@andrew.cmu.edu
Information Networking Institute
Carnegie Mellon University
--------------------------------
From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: JUGGLING INSTRUCTIONS
Date: 12 Dec 92 21:43:10 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


>  In response to several recent inquiries on the net about
>  instructional help on three, four, and five ball juggling
>  I will add my recommendation for a piece of computer
>  software that someone else posted about a month ago. The
>  "Three Ball Juggler" provides excellent juggling
>  instruction and is also very entertaining. Actually it
>  includes four and five ball juggling as well. Also very
>  reasonably priced.

What machine is this software for?

IBM PC and clones?
Macintosh?
NeXT? (I wish)
Amiga?
Unix (curses/ascii)?
X-windows?
Others?
From: jboyce@physics.berkeley.edu (Jack Boyce)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: What Impresses an Audience?
Date: 16 Dec 1992 00:43:26 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Originator: jboyce@physics.Berkeley.EDU

Bob Murphy writes:
>
>I was juggling rocks for coworkers and proceeded to do a decent run
>of 5 rocks.  Nobody said a word!  I then juggled 3 and did an
>under-the-leg throw.  I got lots of oohs and ahs for this!
>Everyone was most impressed by probably one of the first 3 ball
>tricks that I had learned.
>
>So what is it that most impresses a crowd?
>

I haven't performed that much, but when I have I've noticed that
nonjugglers, while impressed by numbers, are not impressed by an
amount commensurate with the difficulty of the trick.  I think it
has to do with the fact that most people just can't tell the
difference between 6 and 7 -- beyond 5 I think people just see a
"blur of balls".  (The fractional difference between n and n+1 drops
as n increases, despite the fact that difficulty grows exponentially.)
Think about it -- very few good non-Gatto performers do any numbers work
at all, since the additional risk just doesn't gain you that much.

To perform well, I think you need to do stuff that people can recognize
as different.  Back crosses, head rolls, alberts, chops, audiences
love stuff like that.  These basic 3 club tricks have the best audience
impressiveness per unit of work of any tricks I know.  The really
unique/bizarre stuff (Moschen, chainsaws, ping pong balls, eating the
apple) is even better.  I've always been amazed by how an audience can
think that 3 shiny cleavers are somehow much more difficult than 3
normal clubs.

In keeping with the "maximal variety" theme, I think it's a good idea
to switch props a lot.  This is one reason many hobbyists (myself
included) make crappy performers; they only work on standard balls/
rings/clubs stuff, which everyone has seen a zillion times on TV
anyway.

Jack
jboyce@physics.berkeley.edu

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From: duane@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Duane Starcher)
Subject: Re: Videos are HERE!
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:15:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.070211.1465@psg.com> jimd@psg.com (Jim Dorman) writes:
>Anyway, there's my $.02.  Has anyone else received their tapes yet?  Duane?
>
>
>Jim the Juggler, a.k.a.:  jimd@m2xenix.psg.com

	Yes, I got mine yesterday and have seen it quickly once.  I tend
to agree with most of your points.  I found myself fast-forwarding
through most of the talk but thought that the exerpts of the stage shows
were well-chosen.  I would have liked longer sequences, but I guess I
should buy the other tapes (I only ordered the Highlights tape).

	Not having attended all the Renegade shows I don't have the
right to comment.  However, I was hoping to see the balloon through the
throat/nose trick at the very least.  The Michael Moschen bits came
across very well considering the lighting effects that made it hard to
balance on video.  I had hoped to see some of the workshop because it
was about the only place I had a chance of seeing myself included.  How
can I prove I was even there ... ?  Maybe an affidavit from Jim the
Juggler will impress my juggling buddies here on the rock.
                                                      
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From: ajl@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Lewis AJ)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 14 Dec 92 11:07:37 GMT

In <9212031533.AA23164@m2-225-1.MIT.EDU> tayer@Athena.MIT.EDU writes:

>Sounds to me like that four-ball cascade being described is actually
>five balls with a hole, not 552.  Unless I don't know what 552 really
>is, which is probably the case.  :-)

Five with a hole is 55550. 552 is an easier version of this.

Andy
-- 
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Department of Electronics        | A juggler without a theme...
and Computer Science             | 
University of Southampton        |
From: x47377b2@usma6.USMA.EDU (Pritchard Sean CDT)
Newsgroups: rec.juggling
Subject: Rola bolas
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:50:29 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

I'd like to make a rola bola.  I can't bear to pay the $65 Dube wants for one. 
Does anyone have suggestions on materials (type or size or thickness)?  Or any
other general hints?  Thanks

     To Toby,  here's the quotation you were looking for.  It's from the second
edition page 62.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                           o
Sean Pritchard            o o    "Suppose you do learn how to do four.
P.O. Box 3613            o   o    Then what?  Five?  Six?  It's a path
West Point, NY 10997     \_O_/    to madness, and I would be remiss not
x47377b2@usma6.usma.edu    |      to tell you that."
                          / \         -Juggling for the Complete Klutz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Brendan Brolly <PHY5JBB@phys-irc.novell.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Learning Mills Mess
Priority: normal
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: 17 Dec 92 09:54:49 GMT
X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R4).
Via: uk.ac.leeds.gps1; Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:54:40 +0000

After someone asking how to learn Mill's mess this is a way I find
effective when teahing it.

i)  Start with two ball is your right hand and one in your left. The
arms are crossed with the right over the left.

ii) Throw the first ball from the right hand 'backwards' up towards
the right shoulder.

iii)    Uncross your arms and throw the ball from the left hand
straight up.

iv) cross your arms again but with the left over the right. throw the
final ball from the right hand straight up. Catch the first ball in
your left hand.

v)  Catch the other two balls in your right.

vi) Stop

    You should end up with two balls in your right hand and one in
your left. Your arms will be crossed with the left arm over the right.

    Go through the above steps a few times untill you can do it
consistantly and the do it starting with two in your left hand. The
steps above are identical except left and right are reversed.

    When you can do it both ways, start off as usual but when you
catch the first ball which was thrown 'backwards', throw it back the
other way. You end up with one ball going backwards and forwards on
the same path, being caught with your arms crossed, and caught by the
hand on top.

Hope this helps.

        Brendan Brolly

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From: zielke@hemlock.nrl.navy.mil (David Zielke)
Subject: Re: TIP: Soldering Wire
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory
	<1992Dec18.124949.5143@eng.ufl.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:52:02 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.124949.5143@eng.ufl.edu> fortner@hal.eng.ufl.edu (Dave Fortner) writes:

>>I personally really love the Ancor marine fittings. They have a piece of
>>heat-shrink tube where most crimp fittings have rigid plastic. So...
>>you stick the wire in, crimp, and then heat shrink, so that the entire
>>connectiong is encased in a littel watertight seal. They cost a bit
>>more, but I believe they are worth it.
>
>I HATE crimp connectors, IMO unless you have the proper equipment
>(which I don't) you will not get a permanent connection. I prefer to
>solder, what I used to use is an appliance rated "poly cap" used
>in building appliance motors, they are heat shrink cap (closed at one
>end) with "heat melt" glue inside. You solder the wires, slip this
>over the end and heat shrink it down. The "hot melt" melts and
>completely seals out air and water. I have never had a joint go bad
>using this stuff. My problem is that I have run out of poly caps
>and I don't work for the motor company any more so that I can get
>some more. Does anyone know where I can get these things?
>...
>gone but I have a friend with a Grady-White that is going to 
>re-wire his boat in a couple of months.

I talked to the Anchor guys at the boat show about the 'best' way of making
the connections.  i.e. should I solder with their solder based connectors,
crimp, crimp and heat shrink, etc.  They do sell the stuff, so one has to
take their comments in context...

They recommend that if one is doing more than a few connections to buy their
crimper.  It is about $30 and is much like the crimp tool used to make up
the connectors on rs232 connectors in computer use.  This tool makes it
impossible to overcrimp (the main reason for failure).  Then you use a
lighter to melt the glue and make the heat shrink do its thing.  The let me
make up a couple at their booth, it took on the order of 30 sec total to
make up the connection, their tool both strips the wire to just the right
lenght, crimps it with a double crimp in one pass!  

They make the claim that soldering actually creates a stress point in the
wire (not because of corrosion) which if it is worked at all will break over
the long haul.  

Use of their connectors with their wire (each strand tinned) results in a
wiring harness which should last forever!!!


David Zielke
'Botany Bay'
Cal 35 Hull 006

zielke@fozzie.nrl.navy.mil
From: torsten@unisql.UUCP (Torsten Weirich)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Automatic or manual transmission for towing?
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:46:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Dec10.095518.22837@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> kevin@turbo.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kevin Ormerod) writes:



   I will agree with you if the vehicle is a car.  But don't make this
   same assumption if you have a properly geared truck.  I bought a F150
   with the 4-speed (granny; NOT OVERDRIVE) back in '84.  I've used this
   truck to pull boats all the time.  It pulled a dead suburban attached to
   a 20'+ Whaler up a ramp one day (had to put several people in the bed
   to keep the tires on the ground).

I stand corrected.

Hell, maybe I'll even break down and buy a pick-em' up truck;-) ;-)

Torsten Weirich

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Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: A sailing problem
From: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Date: 16 Dec 92 09:48:31 MDT
Reply-To: hal@kaos.declab.usu.edu (000200 Lynch)
Distribution: world
Organization: Utah State University

In article <2670183@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM>, bsmith@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Smith) writes:

much deleted

|>
|>Actually, both boys worked incredibly hard at swimming so we gave them
|>our full support.  It was our choice.
|>
|>B.S!
|>
What, children more important than boating?!  8-O)  Good for you.
--
Hal Lynch

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From: dick@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Dick Lucas)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:40:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Kinds of Knotmeter Transducers.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: rec.boats

Sensing pressure is commonly used in boats and aircraft.  In a plane it is
called a "Pitot" tube.  Many outboards have a pressure port on the leading
edge of the lower unit which is connected to a dashboard gauge calibrated in
mph.
Additionaly, in the new West Marine christmas catalog there is a non-electronic
system consisting of a cord with some sort of knob,plate or ? which is dipped
into the water behind your moving boat.  The drag is measured by a spring
scale calibrated in knots.

Dick Lucas

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From: Robert.Walker@launchpad.unc.edu (robert holton walker)
Subject: CORONADO 27 (2nd Try)
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:18:21 GMT


Anyone own a Coronado 27?  What are some of it's weaknesses?

robert.walker@lambada.oit.unc.edu

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From: jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Re: Radio Checks
Date: 20 Dec 1992 14:44:00 GMT
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
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In article <1gt9i0INN9g8@transfer.stratus.com> kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner) writes:
>In article <1992Dec18.174510.3049@cs.brown.edu> jfh@cs.brown.edu (John F. Hughes) writes:
>>(John gives good advice for doing radio checks on channel 9 in New England)
>
>Can someone explain the proper use of ch9 and ch16, at least in the
>New England area?

I sent Ken some mail on this one, but it contained a few mistakes. Here's
a more accurate summary (from memory, from this month's Ocean Navigator).

In the First District(which is something like Block Island, RI to Eastport, ME),the hailing channel is now CH 9. CH 16 is reserved for distress and safety
calls, e.g., MAYDAY, SECURITE, etc.  Commercial vessels must monitor (and 
here my memory is hazy) both 9 and 16. The Coast Guard monitors 16, of course.

-John
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From: tmr@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Tim Ryan)
Subject: Re: CrownLine boats
Organization: loral western development labs
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:44:45 GMT

In article <liq8giINN143@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, juan@temecula.Corp.Sun.COM (Juan Montelongo) writes:
> 
> Does anyone have any knowledge of CrownLine boats. Good or Bad. I
> happened walk into a showroom with several of these boats, and was
> impressed with the style and several features that seemed unique to the
> line.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Juan 
> 
After seeing one at a near bye lake, I went to a local dealer in Cambel Ca.
and talked to the sales person, his comments were:
You can't step down into the boat very easy because of the windows on the 
side, you have to step over the windows on to a seat, a little acward for
small people.
Also the sales person mention the wake was rather wide and hard to ski
behind on a short rope. But the boat planned nicely and ran smooth and flat.
Thats all I remember! 
Crown Line is a beautiful boat, but the Four winns is on the top of my list!

Later,
Tim
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From: alany@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Alan Yelvington)
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Subject: Coast Guard Boardings and TQM
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:44:44 GMT


I have been saving all of the postings concerning the
Coast Guard and its policies.  I plan to remove the
sigs from them and forward them to the Coast Guard
Commandant.

I could spend a lot of time debating the motivation
for some policies and what-not, but I have a better
idea:

I am going to recommend that the boarding officer
present the skipper with a business card.  That card
should have the boarding officer's name, assigned cutter,
and a toll-free number or address where comments concerning
the boarding can be referred. 

My intent is to promote customer service and tear down
some of the corporate annonimity that the Coast Guard
has.

If you have CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions, please post them as a
RE: to this posting.

Alan Yelvington

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