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From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Plug Pulled on Spike Lee's "Malcolm X" (2/2)
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:26:21 GMT
Article-I.D.: igor.1992Apr9.192621.24575
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, San Francisco

In article <1992Apr9.015733.6698@amhux2.amherst.edu>
twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
>On the other hand, MALCOLM X is almost certain to be seen as a
>"minority" film (a sickening way to classify films, IMHO) and may draw
>a smaller audience for that reason, but Spike Lee has become a big
>enough name and has generated enough pre-release publicity to ensure
>some considerable success for it, I think.

Hmm, I would've thought so a little while ago but now I'm not so sure.
For one thing, Spike Lee has put out some movies that have done VERY well
in the box office and critically.

Also, I read Malcolm X's autobiography a while back and I enjoyed it.
A friend of mine here at work (also White) was interested enough to ask
to borrow it.  That and the decent episode on 60 Minutes about a month
ago makes me think that Malcolm X's ideas are starting to speak to a
wider audience.  At least, I'd like to think so...

Speaking of 60 Minutes, I heard that they had a pretty good segment last
weekend about the War on the Constitution (er, War on Drugs).  Maybe the
media is moving away from the official line and will start reporting
on things we'd better be concerned about, even if it's the government
that looks bad in the end. :v)

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: lisat@meaddata.com (Lisa Turner)
Subject: Re: Dr. Jeffries released???
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:38:13 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr12.185301.26487@ncsu.edu>, jasammer@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN ASHLEY SAMMERSON) writes:
|> --
|> 
|>    I heard that Dr. Jeffries was released from City College. Is this
|> info true and wasn't he a tenured professor?
|> 
|> 
|> John S.
|> 
According to BET news, he was released from his position as the head of
the Afro-Studies department, but he still can reside as a professor in
the department. If I am not mistaken they reported that he has filed a
suit against the University for removing him from his position as the head
of the department. 

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From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Maury Povich Show: She Wants To Be White
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:43:59 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

Hey!  Rumor in some quarters has it that Bethoven ( I know I misspelled it.) had a black mother.  Does that make his music black.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kpt@world.std.com (Kevin P Tyson)
Subject: Looking for black engineers/entrepreneurs
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:17:32 GMT


A dear friend, Phyllis Lott, is writing an article for "Minority
Engineer".  She seeks to interview black engineer/entrepreneurs.  She
is specifically looking for individuals with degrees.  She can be
contacted at LOTT_PHYLLIS/HP1900_A2@hplomg.hpl.hp.com

-- 
Kevin P. Tyson
kpt@world.std.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: tag@ptnext.claremont.edu (Taylor Gilbert)
Subject: L.A. Jazz history info Needed!
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:02:46 GMT


	I am working on a paper on the history of L.A. Jazz scene
and the key musicians that were a part of it.  
	I am looking for texts that talk about the racism of the Los Angleles  
police department, I have heard that during the 50's that they had a 
policy of stopping all African-Americans headed west to Santa Monica or Venice
in an attempt limit their exposure and keep them downtown.  
	Also there are accounts of police standing outside of jazz clubs
and trying to pursuade patrons, white patrons, to not go into the clubs.
	i am reading Charles Mingus' autobiography and am trying to locate
some of the texts in the bibliography of Mike davis' _City of Quartz_ he writes  
briefly on the subject pgs 62-64 and notes 111-116.  
	The texts that I can find as yet on the subject talk abou L.A. jazz  
artists leaving to go to new york, but they dont give much reasons why.  It is  
asumed that the New York jazz scene was just the naturtal place to go,  but  
there are other reasons for why they left.  Ornette Coleman is a prime example

	anyway if anyone can give me any leads on personal accounts or anything  
that could help me get data on the history of the L.A. Jazz scence from 1940's  
to the 1960's  It would be appereciated.

				thanks
					tag
From: osele@acsu.buffalo.edu (itiakorit j osele)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Winnie and Nelson Mandela splitting up
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:04:52 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Apr14.211343.29534@cs.wayne.edu> mrharri@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Marissa Harrison) writes:
>I was saddened to hear about Nelson and Winnie Mandela seperating.  I
>don't know why it happened and I don't care to know because everyone is
>entitled to their privacy SUPPOSEDLY (not so for Arthur Ashe), but I
>think it's unfortunate.  
>
>How do you think this will affect the antiapartheid movement now that it
>seems they're in the middle of making progress??
>
>Marissa

I would hope it frees Mandela to concentrate on the political mission he
apparently set himself on over 30 years. Any man, in position could have
continued his private law practice, but he chose not. This marriage
debacle seemed to distract from the "bigger" issue of liberation for his
people. I wish him the best.

Itiakorit
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: richard@auvax1.adelphi.edu
Subject: Black Unity and Upliftment through Communication
Organization: ADELPHI UNIVERSITY
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 00:30:08 GMT

Hello Brothers!
I am a new user looking for a little help, in order to achive a lofty goal.
Currently I am Chairman of a wonderful group "The Afrikan Concerns Association"
which is sponsoring at Adelphi University in Long Island (NY) the birth of A
newspaper with a vision, "Afrika Unbound!"
This newspaper is to eventually bridge the student populations in Africa,
America and the Caribbean, via the Internet, telephone and whatever other mass
communications device we can commandeer.  We welcome written articles on any
relevant topic (Sent to my address) and wish to obtain the addresses of other
students at universities wherever they are.  If you can further this cause in
any way possible, or if you seek further information, please contact me.  For
live connection, I am avaliable at the following times:
Tues 4-5pm EST
Wed 3-4pm
Thurs 10am - 1:30pm
Peace and Power!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
From: news@sequent.com (News on Muncher)
Subject: Re: Blacks Are Not Cost Effective
Organization: .
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 16:22:00 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.232404.17407@petunia.csc.calpoly.edu> dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Dave Gross) writes:

>
>  "Blacks are just geared for action," she said.  "It's that jungle thing."


Aren't any of you going to make one of your common idle threats on her life?
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 14:59:56 CDT
From: <U49146@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Help stop the KKK -- Cincinnati demonstration

In article <1992Apr10.151915.2095@amhux2.amherst.edu>,
twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) says:
>
>A message calling for a demonstration against the KKK in Cincinnati on
>May 2 was recently posted to several newsgroups, but not this one.
>
>I don't know what the accepted rule on posting such inflammatory
>material to scaa is; I know that it is generally considered
>unacceptable on soc.motss.  So, I will not post it, but mention that
>it was posted to:
>
>  alt.activism
>  alt.activism.d
>  soc.culture.jewish
>  soc.motss
>  soc.rights.human
>  alt.discrimination
>  alt.society.civil-liberties
>
>You can find a copy of it in these newsgroups under the subject "Help
>stop the KKK", or e-mail me for a copy.
>
>--
>____ Tim Pierce                / "Someone here suggested blue square badges
>for
>\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  straights.  Maybe we should try mauve
> \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  heptagons?" - Damian Cugley, on soc.bi

Let me get this straight.  Why would a post on demonstration against the KKK be
 considered inflammatory, especially on this newsgroup?

Sofia
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: serranrj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Robert J Serrano)
Subject: Requesting Information, and an Apology
Reply-To: serranrj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Robert J Serrano)
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:08:27 GMT

I've been reading this newsgroup for a while now and responding to a few  
of those postings which I have found interesting, although I have, on  
occasion been a bit more confrontational and hot-headed than I should have  
been (Kevin P Tyson was one who I remember doing this to) and I am sorry  
about those occasions, it's one of my major character flaws although I  
have been working on it for a while now.

Now, on to my request for information:

First of all, I would like to know of any public figures (I am thinking  
primarily of artists, possibly a few politicians, and whatever  
organizations anyone can think of), who have expressed a concern over the  
growing gang problem in the inner-cities of the United States.  If  
possible, I would like references to what these persons/organizations have  
done/said about the issue would be greatly appreciated.  For rap artists,  
it would be appreciated if a few raps in particular could be listed.  For  
all of the above, anything about how to contact them (if such information  
is available) would be greatly appreciated.

Also, I am trying to figure out who I should contact in order to get some  
information (ie coroner's report type information, etc) on a gang-related  
murder in the Los Angeles area.  Any help in this regard would also be  
greatly appreciated.

If anyone is overwhelmingly curious about any of these requests, please  
feel free to contact me (via e-mail) at either of the two addresses listed  
at the bottom of this message.

				Many thanks,

				Robert J Serrano

serranrj@hydra.rose-hulman.edu

OR

serranrj@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Black Agenda and Homosexual Issues
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, San Francisco
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 19:02:23 GMT

In article <92098.004906FKR@psuvm.psu.edu> <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>
Fred Rozenblad writes:
>My original posting questioned the necessity of gay rights becoming a
>part of the agenda being adopted by our ldrs.  Some have suggested that
>there is nothing wrong w/ this alliance [gays rights issues being grafted into
>minority "status"].  I questioned why this should be accepted when society
>at large has not accepted this same issue, although that may change in the
>future.

Maybe because we're all in this together:  Black/White/Asian, Straight/Gay,
Male/Female and when ANY of those groups has its rights violated, everyone
suffers...

   don
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:4428 soc.culture.asian.american:3304
From: dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT English
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:14:22 GMT
	<1992Apr5.041953.24958@agora.uucp>
Organization: Masters student, Urban and Public Affairs, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts From Captions of netnews.soc.culture.african.american:
 5-Apr-92  Re: Asian Immigrants on SAT..  Robert Barton@agora.uucp (644)    
>>so that moms can go off to work and finish school, to implement a whole
>>host of social programs that EVERY other industrialized nation (with the
>>exceptiopn of S. Africa) in the world has.
>>
>>Any disagreemnet with this last solution?
> 
> 
>  Yes.  It's unconstitutional.
> 

Where, prithee, tell me, is it unconstitutional to provide these things?

DCAL
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:4431 soc.motss:19291
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.motss
Subject: Re: Black Agenda and Homosexuality Issues (was NAACP Crisis)
Date: 3 Apr 92 22:21:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: amhux2.1992Apr3.222145.2978
Followup-To: /dev/null
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA

In article <56789@cup.portal.com> Arthur_T_Hu@cup.portal.com writes:
>I found it interesting

I didn't.

>while
>students in black colleges were more liberal...
>less so that students in selective colleges...

Oh, boy.  "Black colleges" vs. "selective colleges?"  Keep the clue,
Artie, and buy yourself a ticket on the train to Hell.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Well, I've never been to heaven / but
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  I've been to Oklahoma ..."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /    -- Three Dog Night
From: nrooks@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Noline Rooks)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Garvey (was Re: Issues & Views)
Date: 6 Apr 92 18:59:37 GMT
Organization: U of Iowa, Iowa City, IA

Yes Sophia, everything that you said is true, but what I was responding
to initially was a comment about the followers Dubois had versus the
followers Garvey had. The two had very different ideas about what
people of african decent could do in order to protect themselves from white
domiation and oppression. What I was specifically refering to with 
Dubois was his idea of the talented tenth (the top ten percent of the
African-American population who he felt was responsible for pulling up
the other ninety percent). Garvey on the other hand was much more
concerned with self-sufficiency and immigration from the united states
back to africa. Garvey's followers in the united states were made up of
many different skin tones as were DuBois's. The major differnce between
their followers was class.

Noliwe Rooks
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: what is black, white, etc. music
Date: 16 Apr 1992 19:05:57 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

I don't remember how this thread started, but:
who cares?  All genres of music belong to everyone
once they've been created.

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: Plug Pulled on Spike Lee's "Malcolm X" (2/2)
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:30:34 GMT

In article <1992Apr9.015733.6698@amhux2.amherst.edu> twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>This is unfortunately true, but long movies are doing better and
>better these days.  FRIED GREEN TOMATOES did rather respectably at the
>box office, and of course JFK was well over three hours long.  Lee has
>a better chance of producing a successful 3-hour film today than he
>would have a few years ago.

Absolutely. Oliver Stone knew he could get away with three hours, and
JFK could be the success that makes Big X possible.
>
>On the other hand, MALCOLM X is almost certain to be seen as a
>"minority" film (a sickening way to classify films, IMHO) and may draw
>a smaller audience for that reason, but Spike Lee has become a big
>enough name and has generated enough pre-release publicity to ensure
>some considerable success for it, I think.

No way. This is the first Lee movie since DTRT with big cross cultural
expectations riding on it. I'm excited to see it at any length. This wil
be his biggest box yet (unless he does it really poorly, which I'm sorry
to say is a possibility given Jungle FEver). 

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: sguillo@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Stanford Guillory)
Subject: Re: Tinika's Story
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro  OR
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 16:00:45 GMT

robart@agora.uucp (Robert Barton) writes:


>  Interesting story.  There was a movement here in Oregon a couple years ago
>to allow parental choice in schools but it was voted down, with the
>opponents' main argument being that the schools would practice "discrimination".

I think there are some problems with parental choice programs that
no one ever seems to point out. We here stories about how private
schools do a better job, but private schools don't have to deal with
every child in the U.S., only the ones they want to deal with. There
are probably 50-80 million kids in this country, and I don't see 
how parental choice is going to be a general solution for all these
kids. 

I like the concept of this school in Milwaukee, however, especially
the part about parents chipping in for school repairs. I can think
of no better way to establish the neighborhood school as the root of
the community. I think modeling every school after Harambee would
be a better solution than only having a few good schools that everyone
wants to go to.

Stanford S. Guillory
sguillor@pcocd2.intel.com
From: rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Attracting visitors to Black neighborhoods (was: Re: SB Fuller Speech...)
Date: 10 Apr 1992 21:51:36 GMT
Organization: Bolt, Beranek & Newman, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: spcsun25.bbn.com

In article <34977@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>, daj@reef.cis.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:

|> In earlier years the Italian and Chinese communities used restaurants
|> to bring in outside money, and they also had to make their
|> neighborhoods attractive to outsiders.  Even today "Chinatowns" are
|> normal tourist attractions in big cities.  Wouldn't it be something if
|> you could say that about black neighborhoods?

That's something I've been wondering about myself.

Boston doesn't have very many African restaurants, compared to the huge
number of Italian, Chinese, Indian, Thai, Portuguese, and other ethnic
eateries.   The few that I can recall are all Ethiopian, and they're not
located in black neighborhoods like Roxbury and Mattapan; they are in the
established "restaurant row" areas of Central Square in Cambridge,
Huntington Avenue near Symphony Hall, and Tremont Street in the South End.

Washington DC has a lot more Ethiopian restaurants, but these
too are not in black neighborhoods like Anacostia and Shaw;
instead, they are on and around 18th Street in Adams-Morgan.

Why isn't more effort made to attract tourists and locals alike
to eat and shop in African-American neighborhoods?  Think of
the crowds in Boston's Italian North End and Chinatown,
New York's Lower East Side and Little Italy, LA's Little Tokyo,
and hundreds of other ethnic neighborhoods around the US.
But it's hard to think of a predominantly African neighborhood
that attracts people in this manner.

Even when large tourist attractions exist in the heart of
Black neighborhoods, these opportunities seem to go unexploited.
Franklin Park in Roxbury (a Black part of Boston) is a lovely
Olmsted-designed landscape whose zoo contains an acclaimed 
African Tropical Forest exhibit.  But there are no restaurants,
no convenience stores, no bicycle and roller-skate rentals,
not much of anything commercial to serve the visitors.

When I lived in Los Angeles, I remember the same scene
at the Watts Towers.  Lots of tourists come to see them,
but there's nothing to spend money on once you're there.
Maybe that's changed now with the new light-rail line
(anyone from LA reading this who can answer?)

-- 
Ron Newman		rnewman@bbn.com
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:4617 talk.politics.misc:18475
From: daj@reef.cis.ufl.edu (David A. Johns)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Unconstitutional federal spending
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:43:48 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.african.american
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

In article <1992Apr12.092556.2358@agora.uucp> robart@agora.uucp (Robert Barton) writes:

# >>  Yes.  It's unconstitutional.
# >
# >Where, prithee, tell me, is it unconstitutional to provide these things?
#
#
#   I believe it is Article 1, Section 8.

You mean where it says, "The Congress shall have power to lay and
collect taxes ... to provide for the ... general welfare of the United
States"?

David
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
From: lmitchel@isis.cs.du.edu (L. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Blacks Are Not Cost Effective
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 14:25:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.232404.17407@petunia.csc.calpoly.edu> dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Dave Gross) writes:
>  Excerpted from _Napa Writer Blames Blackness for Crime_
>  by Ron Sonenshine
>  San Francisco Chronicle (April 6, 1992)
>  --
>  A Napa author has filed another salvo in the burgeoning race war,
>  arguing in a new book that the nation's annual $300 billion crime tab
>  is essentially a black problem for which blacks alone should pay.
>
		[etc.]

This exact article was posted to soc.women and soc.men, with "black" exchanged
for "men" and "white" for "women."  Which is correct (if either) in terms of
the actual Chronicle article, and what is the point of the other posting?

Kerry Mitchell
From: wrightb@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: F**k y'all
Date: 14 Apr 92 23:28:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

I think the problem with getting a discussion going on about aids

is so difficult because, it hits so close to home that folx don't like

to deal with it.We all think about, it's an unpleasant issue and alot

of folx because of their (maybe previous) life style are scared to death

of the aids issue. However I do agree we need to discuss this and get our

people educated about what we are doing to ourselves.Educating ourselves

and our young people is the only way we're going to rid ourselves of this

plague.We need to practice safe sex, safe sex, safe sex, safe sex I can't

express this enough. We must constantly reinforce our efforts at educating

folx so we don't find ourselves slipping back into the mess we got of,once

we do get out of this devastating life threatening situation.
  
     
     In the case of Arthur Ashe, I believe the he  should have left alone

and allowed to come forward when he felt comfortable about talking about it

he never should have been forced into this situation by the media. They act

as if the public has an express right to know all there is about a person 

because they're famous.NOT TRUE , everyone has a right to a degree of privacy!

There are alot of emotions involved when someone finds out that they have a

disease that is life threatening and will in all probability lay them to rest

one day, so that person should be left alone until they themself can accept the

reality of what is happenning to them. This was a sad situation , to sat the

least and I've said all I can say for now about this but, I will have more to

say at alater time.


                                                            STORM