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From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins)
Subject: Re: SCRIPT : NEW HOPE
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:18:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.211804.18304@midway.uchicago.edu> wag5@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>No, he's not, because he PAID the author for the right to publish it.
>
>So, if I steal someone's jewelry and leave $100.00 I am not stealing?

Invalid analogy.  The analogy is this: if I borrow someone's jewelry, put it
in a matter replicator, create a copy, and give them back the original, and
keep the copy, did I steal anything?
From: hummell+@pitt.edu (Andrew G Hummell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: STAR WARS QUESTION
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:51:22 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <3653@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> hummell+@pitt.edu (Andrew G Hummell) writes:
>
>The Death Squad Commander is actually the Death Star Commander, after they
								 ^^^^^
						OOPS, meant to say *before*

>renamed it.  I guess with what was going on in some of the third world,
>the term "Death Squad" was not very tasteful to use.

Andy, again.
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: Tape comparisons, please
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:11:11 GMT

>>>>> On 31 Jul 92 01:12:55 GMT, jimn@phred.UUCP (Jim Nevermann) said:

Do you think you could possibly put returns at the end of a line
when you post stuff. It's hard to read one continues line...
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From: jvincent@eagle.wesleyan.edu (The Ulair)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Sabers and fathers
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:12:32 GMT
Organization: Wesleyan University

As  I recall in the STAR WARS novel (attributed to Lucas, but ghost-written by
Alan Dean Foster, I belive. Sure sounds like his style) Be says of lightsbers
"At one time they were widely used. Still are, in some galactic quarters."      
I personally preferred the more SF-like feel of the first book and film, with
all the swashbuckle and space-opera, but not quite so much the goofiness and
"These are the ONLY heros" feel that came later.       So, lightsabers need not
be very uncommon. But, as Ben further says, to use one WELL was a sign of an
extraordinary person....      With regard to whether the saber Bren gives Luke
in ANH, it could simply be that at that point Vader was not Luke's father.
Perhaps later on, Lucas decided to retrofit the stoiry, and decided that such
points as this were trivial, or could be read in different ways. It actually
seems at times a bit like Moliere, with lots of Long Lost Relatives showing up
at the end to make verything tie together. Yeah, there's nice classical roots,
too.          -Jim
From: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu (David Kemper)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: klaatu
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:33:09 GMT
Reply-To: dkemper@oolong.hacks.arizona.edu
Organization: University of Administrative Incompetence
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a4

In article <mb2xjbd@rpi.edu>, caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura) writes...
>In article <1194@niktow.canisius.edu> setlik@niktow.canisius.edu (ebbhead) writes:
>>Well, I can help you out with the origin of 'klaatu' anyways.  It's from
>>"The Day The Earth Stood Still" and is one of three words needed to be
>>uttered to stop Borg(?) a crazy robot.  I belive the sequence is klaatu,
>>niktow, barada.  Not so coincidentally, those are the names of our three
>>Unix machines at canisius.  (I'm on niktow)
> 
>Go watch the movie sometime, eh?  The robot was NOT crazy by *any*
>stretch.  It's name was Gort, and the proper sentence is
>"Gort, Klaatu, barada nikto."
>(Spelling from "Science Fiction Movies of the '40's, 50's, and 60's.")

Yes, it has long been known that Klaatu, Nikto, and Barada were Jabba's 
henchmen.  But what of Gort?

Well, as it turns out from the RPG, the name of one of the Gamorrean Guards 
is Gorrt.  Okay, it's spelled differently, but it's only one letter off, 
and when you consider that he was ALSO in the employ of Jabba, it's not too 
big a stretch to assume that's the origin of that name as well.

--Gallandro

  From 1964:
  Reporter: "What do you think of the campaign in Detroit to stamp out the
             Beatles?"
  Paul McCartney: "We've got a campaign of our own to stamp out Detroit."
From: gfm@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Another Han Solo Blooper?
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:07:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: mintaka.1992Jul28.160730.9623
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <v-zxf=+@rpi.edu> caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura) writes:
>In article <1992Jul28.121150.6330@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:
[Question about how Luke got away in ESB because DV was chasing the Falcon]

>Also, figure that at the point where Luke escaped from Hoth in the X-wing,
>he still hadn't had any jedi training, save the few things that Ben taught
>him.  I always just figured that by the time ROTJ came around, Luke had
>grown proficient enough that his strength in the force could be detected
>without any staggering effort....

	That's a good explaination as to why Darth Vader chased the Falcon,
but if you think Lucas really WAS thinking way ahead maybe this is the
reason: Leia was on the Falcon, maybe he reached out to find someone strong
in the force, say, strong as a SKYWALKER and just assumed she was Luke.
Of course then you have to wonder why he didn't notice she was so strong in
the force in the other two movies, although he spotted Luke to be strong
at the end of the first: "The force is strong in this one" (Not sure if that's
exactly what he said, but it's close)
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Star Wars: the action figures
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 14:16:04 GMT

Does this newsgroup have a FAQ, anyway? :)

Where can one get Star Wars figures now? Is there a catalogue
for them? I vaguely remember the Intergalactic Trading Co. --
they didn't have much, though, and what they had reeked of 
soaking prices.

I've had small luck at flea markets occasionally, maybe 1 or 2 at a time..
bad selection :)

I'm looking for a dealer...someone who'd have all of them, hopefully
at less than extortionate prices.

Anyone on the net have any? :)

Thanks!

Scott

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From: djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: What IS the complete list of Star Wars books?
Reply-To: djt2445@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:17:39 GMT

Besides The Han Solo Trilogy, by Daly, and Zahn's new trilogy,
what other books are there, and where can I grab them?

I seem to recall a Lando Calrissian series.

Authors' names would be appreciated.
From: caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Star Wars vs. Star Trek, tech & tactics, etc.
Date: 21 Jul 92 14:16:35 GMT
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY

In article <BrpqI6.75A@watserv1.waterloo.edu> rlbell@babbage.waterloo.edu (Richard Bell) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.161336.4255@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcollins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Killans - First And Last And Always) writes:
>>>>It has already been shown in ST:TNG that
>>>>the Enterprise cannot handle large amounts of ion radiation
>>>Ion radiation? There's no such thing.
>>Really? Ever heard of alpha radiation? I guess you could call alpha particles
>>helium cations.
>Moot point, the only two kinds of ion radiations are alpha rays, and beta
>rays; anything will stop the first, and paper will stop the second.

Hmm, I think you're confusing things.  alpha/beta particles are *nuclear*
(i.e., resulting from radioactivity) radiation.  On the other hand, if you
have something like an ATLAS (Argonne Tandem Linear Accelerator) that will
boost heavy ions (currently undergoing upgrades that will allow uranium ions)
to about 0.33c, then you could *conceivably* consider the output to be ionic
radiation.  :-)    And, considering the *petty* technology availiable to us,
since ATLAS can do wonderful and wicked things to its targets, im sure that
future applications could prove hazardous to many materials.
Including hull plating....

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From: hummell+@pitt.edu (Andrew G Hummell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: STAR WARS QUESTION
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:05:48 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1046.554.uupcb@matrix.sbs.com> jerry.farris@matrix.sbs.com (Jerry Farris) writes:
>BTW, there's an action figure that is mistery to me. It's the
>"Death Squad Commander". I've seen this figure listed in several price
>guides, but he is not listed on the back of any of the cards I can find.

The Death Squad Commander is actually the Death Star Commander, after they
renamed it.  I guess with what was going on in some of the third world,
the term "Death Squad" was not very tasteful to use.

Andy
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From: joshuali@girtab.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Who didn't get figures made of them?
Date: 29 Jul 1992 12:56:27 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul29.161839.6058@news.media.mit.edu> tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte) writes:

>Ding! and control of the board goes to Joshua. Salacious Crumb *IS*
>one of my least favourite characters. So, for 100 points, and a chance
>at the living room suite, where does the name come from? It seems
>awfully English.

No clue but the little guy has a middle initial (forgot where I heard it)

His full name is Salacious B. Crumb. (I am being serious)

-joshuali@usc.edu
From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Ben and Anakin's lightsaber
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:30:43 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

I think that it's in HttE that Luke makes a comment that Jedi masters
can be deliberately misleading. Perhaps when Obi-Wan said that Luke's
father wanted Luke to have the saber, we should avoid a naively
literal reading of that line. It's clear that Darth would not have had
a tete a tete with Luke on DS1 to give him the saber, and Anakin
probably never said anything as explicit as "I may have a son someday,
and Ben, you might hide him from me, and that's just fine, because
I've been thinking of this whole Dark Side Thing, so y'know there's
that Good Guys Winning bit, so you had better give him this when he
turns 18 (40? how do we know their ages... [sigh])..."

	Perhaps the best reading of that line is "I think that Anakin
would have wanted you to have this."

	Or perhaps not.

				-Dave
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From: elee9tv@elroy.uh.edu (DANIEL)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Ben and Anakin's lightsaber
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:26:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul27.043619.15493@udel.edu>, lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes...
>In article <1992Jul26.231239.1601@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>
>>
>	This may or may not mean Anakin actually used it. I'd guess Ben made it
>for Anakin for practicing lightsaber skills, until such time as Anakin learned
>enough to construct his own.
> 
> 
>--

   In my own opinion...I think Anakin was GROUNDED by Ben for being
a bad boy and his light saber was taken away until he behave. Obviously
     Anakin did not behave so Ben just kept it!  :)


Dan!
From: sas@TIS.COM ("Steven A. Sturges")
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re:  Who didn't get figures made of them?
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:53:51 GMT
Reply-To: sas@TIS.COM
Organization: Trusted Information Systems


What about the characters in the bar where Luke and Ben meet Han.  ie
Greedo et. al?  And the bad there too-- the guys who look like the
aliens from close encounters!!

Also what about things other than action figures, like Boba Fetts ship?



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From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: To: TALCOTT@APPLE.CO...
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 19:46:11 GMT

> MX%"talcott@apple.co 24-JUL-1992  Re: where a Jedi gets his 
lightsaber 
 
This mail you sent me was accidentally erased before I could 
read it-- could you send it again, please?
 
I'd mail you but I didn't get your full address, sorry.
 
Stephen Legg
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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:17:46 GMT


In a previous article, pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) says:

>In <1992Jul25.162300.230@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_cartheybr@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>
>>
>>I was just reading ANH again and began to thing back to the movie.  Does Aunt
>>Beru actually know where Luke came from?  I mean in the movie she says some-
>>thing to Uncle Owen to the extent of, "Luke can't stay here forever you know.
>>Most of his have gone."  Then Owen says, "I'll make it up to him next year.  I 
>>promise."  Then she replies with a half-smile.  "He's just not a farmer, Owen. 
>>He has too much of his father in him." Then Owen replies quietly, "I know, 
>>that's just what I'm afraid of." 
>>
>>Correct me if I'm off the mark, but Owen seems to be real concerned for Luke 
>>by making up all these excuses to keep him on Tatooine and away from his ultima
>>te destiny, while Beru sides with Luke thinking it's just a dream he wnats to
>>fulfill, to be a pilot like his father.  Can anyone clarify this for me (even 
>>if it is a FAQ).
>>
>>--Blitz                                  "I'm out of it for a while and
>>                                          everybody gets delusions of 
>>                                          grandeur."
>>                                                     --Han Solo
>
>
>
>Hmmmm. I never looked at it like that, but after seeing/reading all three
>films/books, that really does make sense. I suppose that Ben could have
>told Owen what had become of Luke's father, to the point of becoming Darth
>Vader, or maybe just working for the Emperor....
>
>Dave
>


I don't know, it always seemed to me that they both knew.  The fact
that owen knew was never in doubt for me.  If he didn't know what
had become of Obi Wan's last student, why would he be so eager for
the kid never to have contact with his own brother?  (Not to mention
the fact that he was the one who had given him the kid?)

I'm not so certain of Beru, though.  I think she might have known,
but knew that if Luke decided to go, there wasn't a heck of a lot
they could do to stop him.  Maybe they had decided that when he
finally left, (or rather, before) they would tell him the whole
story so that he would know to look out for Vader, and she wanted
him to know, whereas Owen couldn't bring himself to tell him.

-- 
             TJ Goldstein    tlg4@Cleveland.Freenet.Edu
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Bounty Hunters
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 00:24:48 GMT

dennis@citr.uq.oz.au (Dennis Remmer) writes:
: Can somebody list all the bounty hunters from the 3 movies please.

Boba Fett -- 'nuff said

4-LOM -- off-screen insectiziod

Zuckuss -- off-screen ... well, insectizoid too
Zuckass    I've seen it spelled *both* ways.

Bossk -- reptilian, blood shot type

Dengar -- humanoid, heavily armored, scar-faced

IG-88 -- aka the Phlutdroid, Clone War killing machine turned consultant :^)

Jabba had a ton of hired hands, too, like Greedo, to serve as bounty hunters.

Leia used the Boushh disguize to infiltrate Jabba's place.

Scott

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From: caer@iear.arts.rpi.edu (Charlie Figura)
Subject: Re: ADDED scene?  Also: Luke/Vader relationship question
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:54:12 GMT

In article <l7ga55INNdgu@aludra.usc.edu> joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling) writes:
>In article <1bO702v41cEF01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> beh10@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger) writes:
[Lots-O-Stuff regarding how Luke knew who Vader was deleted.]


I can't imagine what you guys are thinking.... we're talking about the
EMPIRE here.  Even if Tatooine is a backwater planet, they know about
the empire.  (they know about the rebellion, dont they?  why, biggs tells
him, right there in the movie... :-)  Point is, don't you figure that
people *know* what vader looks like?  like people *knew* what hitler or
stalin or sauron (well, i guess not sauron) looked like?  (not, of course,
trying to draw any plot parallels... 8-)  Figure that Luke would have to
be a bleedin' ninny (not gettin' into this one) *not* to know who 'that guy
in black' was.....

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Ben's Age
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 17:12:29 GMT


In a previous article, lim@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Julie Lim) says:

>In article <1992Jul26.230707.1507@cs.unca.edu> mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
>>
>>Well, given Yoda was 800, the door is *wide* open for Ben. I'd
>>say anywhere from 60-500. 
>>
>>This leads to a bigger and more important question: *when* were the
>>clone wars in relation to the first SW film? Was it a legendary thing
>>over 2 or 3 generations past, or recent, like WWII is to college
>>students today?
>
>
>	Yoda was several hundred years old, true, but he certainly didn't
>look human. I'm guessing (possibly in all error) that the general run of
>SW humans age at the same rate as Earth humans, so I really doubt Ben could
>be older than a hundred or so.

Yes, I'd put him not into the super-old category, but the real old
category, based on Tarkin's statement:

"Obi Wan Kenobi?  Surely he must be DEAD by now."

If Kenobi were that old, he probably would have said something
to the effect of "Impossible!  Nobody lives that long!"

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From: tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: klaatu
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:34:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Jul30.183446.1551
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

In article <1194@niktow.canisius.edu> setlik@niktow.canisius.edu (ebbhead) writes:
>Well, I can help you out with the origin of 'klaatu' anyways.  It's from
>"The Day The Earth Stood Still" and is one of three words needed to be
>uttered to stop Borg(?) a crazy robot.  I belive the sequence is klaatu,
>niktow, barada.  Not so coincidentally, those are the names of our three
>Unix machines at canisius.  (I'm on niktow)
>
>hope that helps!
>
>john



Tossing my own memories onto the pile...
I recall the sequence to be Klaatu Borada Nikto. If you watch the
beginning of TRON (ooh, don't watch too much of it! =) The nerdly
computer programmer hero has the phrase posted in his cubicle at work.

			-Dave


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From: a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SCRIPT : NEW HOPE
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:05:44 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Jul22.202442.57449@cc.usu.edu>, sl6wv@cc.usu.edu writes:
> In
> fact, if I made a marble sculpture and you simply took a photograph of it, you
> could (and from my own viewpoint, would) be subject to a lawsuit under the
> copyright laws.  

May you be run over by a bus if this is the way your small, greedy brain works;
idiocy like this is why we no longer have a 'justice' system (if, indeed, we
ever ahd one).

Brandon Cope

"Just because something is legal doesn't make it right, and just because
something is illegal doesn't make it wrong." - me
From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: R5-D4 wanted
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:33:32 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

WHOOPS!!! Sorry about that.
Any way I want one. E-mail me if you have one you want to sell.

-joshuali@usc.edu