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From: alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Sigh.  Another Request for ISO-9001 Documentation
Summary: Need a copy of ISO-9000 documents (specifically QA and Test)
Keywords: ISO 9000 standards software quality assurance testing process models
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:46:31 GMT
Followup-To: comp.software-eng
Organization: IBM AWD Austin, TX

Forgive me for this (doubtlessly much-repeated) request [grin], but could someone
send me a copy (soft copy and/or U.S. Mail) of the ISO-9000 standard?
I am particularly interested in the standards relating to Quality
Assurance and Testing (perhaps 9001?).

I don't have ready access to anonymous FTP, so sending a pointer
to an archive wouldn't help very much   :-)

Thank you,

Alan R. Weiss
Consultant/President
SystemsWest-Software Engineering Services
11119 Appletree Lane
Austin, Texas USA  78726
(512) 250-5198

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From: skatz@bbn.com (Susan Katz)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Testing X-based GUI's (was Re: X-runner)
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:55:21
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kariba.bbn.com

I've just started working on an interactive system with a graphical
user interface.  I had also briefly heard about X-runner.  Can anyone
recommend books, papers, proceedings, or commercial products related
to testing methodologies for GUI's?

Thanks in advance.
Susan Katz (skatz@bbn.com)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Info Mgmt Process Model
From: mmangieri@vitro.com (M. J. Mangieri)
Date: 2 Oct 92 11:34:42 -0500
Distribution: world
Organization: Vitro Corporation

I am trying to respond to a SOW (Statement of Work) in an RFP that addresses
the need for compliance to a Information Management Process Model. This model
is based upon DOD-STD-2167A and 7935A and is part of a 2167A/7935A
harmonization working group effort.

Does anyone know if such an item/artifact exists and where I can get a copy?

Thanks ...

        __________________________________________________________________
        / Michael J. Mangieri                 Internet: mmangieri@vitro.com
__     /  Vitro Corporation                      Voice:      (301) 231-3016
  \   /   MX-SP 4-2311                             FAX:      (301) 231-1233
   \ /    14000 Georgia Ave.              
    *     Silver Spring, MD 20906-2972    

         "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
                                                       - A. Einstein


From: randyc@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Randy Campbell)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:00:15 GMT
Subject: Re: CASE tool vendors postal addresses
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng

HP's address in Australia is:

	H-P Australia Ltd.
	31-41 Joseph STreet 
	Blackburn, Victoria 3130
	Melbourne, Australia

	Phone: (03) 895 2895

You're welcome,

	Randy Campbell, HP, Fort Collins
 	randyc@hpfcla.fc.hp.com 303-229-6227
From: Oliver.Otto@p1.f2006.n241.z2.fidonet.org (Oliver Otto)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Software-Ergonomie
Date: 28 Sep 92 07:40:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: fast.718012216.F00003

Hello All!

we are working in a project programming a software system for production
islands. In this case we are looking for papers to evaluate the use of
GUI's in production evironments. My someone give me a hint what kind of
papers/books are aviable. Everything I found is based on office work and
this seem to be a little bit different.

Oliver

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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: cpcahil@virtech.uucp (Conor P. Cahill)
Subject: Re: Purify and Sentinel
Organization: Virtual Technologies Inc.
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 11:28:20 GMT

Tony-Preston@cup.portal.com (ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON) writes:

>Could someone give me some information on Purify and Sentinel.  They
>were mentioned in an Amiga newgroup with a pointer to here for more
>information.  What do they do, what systems are they available on,
>what are the differences?  Are they public domain or commercial?
>Are there other similar tools?  Thanks.

Both SENTINEL and Purify are environments that attempt to trap and 
report on memory access errors associated with dynamic memory allocation.
They each provide additional tools to assist in debugging various problems
in your code.  

Both of these products are available as a commercial product only.  Purify
is available on Sun-0S/Sparc.  SENTINEL is available on Sun OS/Sparc, 
HP-UX HP9000/8xx, ISC UNIX and most other SVR3.2s on the 80x86, DELL UNIX
and most other SVR4s on the 80x86.  SENTINEL is currently being ported
to other host environments.

As far as other tools, there have been several other malloc debug tools
posted to the net (including a recent posting of an update to my dbmalloc
package that has been around for the past 2 or 3 years).  I recently 
posted a comparison between dbmalloc, SENTINEL, and Purify to this newsgroup.
If you don't have a copy lying around, let me know and I will email it to you.

Yes, I do have a financial interest in SENTINEL.
-- 
*** SENTINEL(tm) The ultimate Debugging Environment - email for more info ***

Conor P. Cahill              (703)430-9247            cpcahil@virtech.vti.com
Virtual Technologies, Inc.  46030 Manekin Plaza          Dulles, VA 20166 
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: leisner@wrc.xerox.com ( Marty Leisner)
Subject: Re: Fortran to C conversion
Reply-To: leisner.henr801c@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:00:34 GMT

I've never used f2c but heard only good things about it.

It was done by Bell Labs.

--
marty
leisner.henr801c@xerox.com  
Member of the League for Programming Freedom
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: biesty@ide.com (Bill Biesty)
Subject: Re: Free Computer Technology Review Subscriptions
Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 18:14:58 GMT

In article <199209291617.AA20241@tuna.wang.com> MICHAEL.WILLETT@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Michael Willett") writes:
>I just received the following letter from Computer Technology
>Review newspaper which may be of interest to other readers.
>This is quite a good technical computer newspaper:

Not! IMHO this paper reports exclusively on the products
of the advertisers and doubles as marketing glossies.
I had a free subscription a year or two ago which after
the first few issues, I immediately filed in the vertical
file cabinet on arrival.


--
Bill Biesty          <biestie@aol.com> (I don't read this too often)
<biesty@ide.com>     These are not the opinions of my employer.
From: doug_wiebe@next.com (Doug Wiebe)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: *Theory* of configuration management
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:18:45 GMT
Reply-To: doug_wiebe@next.com (Doug Wiebe)
Distribution: comp

martinc@grover.cs.unc.edu (Charles R. Martin) writes:
> Has anyone read anything about the theory of configuration management?
> That is, not "this is a new CM system" but "this is the mathematical
> basis that underlies CM"?

You might be interested in my PhD thesis:

Generic Software Configuration Management: Theory and Design
Technical Report 90-07-03
Department of Computer Science
University of Washington
Seattle, WA 98195

I developed a mathematical model of configuration management that is
based on universal algebra and model theory. Classes and instances of
software objects are modeled as signatures and algebras, respectively.
Versions are modeled by total algebras and version families by partial
algebras, where a family contains a version iff a certain homomorphic
relationship between the two is satisfied. Families and configurations
of software systems are defined by generalizing the model for families
and versions of individual software objects (the latter is a degenerate
case of the former). Building (i.e., generating new configurations) and
validation (using constraints to define "valid" configurations) are
formalized by means of model theory, that is, by using first order
logic to specify build plans and validation constraints (actually, 
modulo problems with mutually recursive constraints, logics of order
> 1 can be used to obtain Adele-like behavior).

The math is all laid out in gory detail (although I shunted the proofs
to appendices). There is also a lot of description of "Jason", which
was an SCM system based on the formal model that I implemented and
experimented with. I used Jason to specify a Make emulator for example,
and to emulate Xerox's ReleaseTool. The emulation specs and the perform-
ance numbers are included in the thesis.

Doug Wiebe
Software Engineering
NeXT Computer, Inc.
From: daves@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Dave Straker)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:17:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Sigh.  Another Request for ISO-9001 Documentation
Organization: Hewlett-Packard ISG-SBU-PWD, UK.
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng

>Hi, I lost the note on the source to get ISO 9000 ... 9004 via ftp. Who can
>help?

Try the anonymous FTP lists in news.answers (last posted 9/30).

Dave Straker            Pinewood Information Systems Division (PWD not PISD)
(}-8]                   HPDESK: David Straker/HP1600/01
#define opinions mine   Unix:   daves@hpopd.pwd.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.software.licensing
From: john.hayden@analog.com
Subject: Re: Small Developer, Public Domain LM
Originator: john@atlas
Organization: Analog Devices, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:43:27 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.144040.5288@news.dfrf.nasa.gov> todd@fred.dfrf.nasa.gov (Todd Vernon) writes:
>I am an independent software developer, and I am readying a product
>for market.  Like many developers in my position, money is a premium... 
>
>							...has anyone had
>any experience with first release products that were initially node 
>locked and then later floating licenses were available.  Did the 
>companys provide an trade in policy, to make the deal seem a little
>sweeter to big accounts ?
>

We have a lot of experience with three major CAD vendors, including
Mentor, Cadence, and Meta Software, over several years. All have offered
100% value trade in of node locked to floating licenses, although they
always protest first that they are not in the business of taking back products.
It is not unusual to charge a nominal fee if the trade is even.

Some vendors have allowed us to purchase floating licenses before they 
were available, promising meanwhile to provide lots of node-locked 
temporary keys. This can leave a real mess if the vendor can't deliver,
and this happened where it took >2 years for a vendor to deliver a 
version with floating licenses that could pass our QA tests on items unrelated
to the license manager. In the meantime, both I and the vendor grew many gray 
hairs keeping the temporary keys from running out every few months.



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Newsgroups: comp.software.licensing
From: todd@fred.dfrf.nasa.gov (Todd Vernon)
Subject: Small Developer, Public Domain LM
Reply-To: todd@fred.dfrf.nasa.gov (Todd Vernon)
Organization: NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards CA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 14:40:40 GMT

I am an independent software developer, and I am reading a product
for market.  Like many developers in my position, money is a premium. 
I can't affort to include a third party License Manager in my product,
however I have a reasonable node locking scheme.  Still,  I view the
inability to provide floating licenses a real problem. 

Are there any reasonable public domain license managers out there that
could be modified for my purpose.  In leau of that, has anyone had
any experience with first release products that were initially node 
locked and then later floating licenses were available.  Did the 
companys provide an trade in policy, to make the deal seem a little
sweeter to big accounts ?

Newsgroups: comp.software.licensing
From: jeff@dsp.sps.mot.com (Jeff Enderwick)
Subject: Re: Moving back the system clock
Organization: Motorola DSP Compilers
	<BvIK4I.n15@solbourne.com>
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:47:40

>Or ptrace to change the values that come back from stat(), etc.

Wouldn't this make your application really pokey, since ptrace would trap on
*every* syscall?

	Jeff Enderwick
	jeff@dsp.sps.mot.com
From: gibian@talent.ljo.dec.com (Marc S. Gibian)
Newsgroups: comp.software.licensing
Subject: Re: Moving back the system clock
Date: 5 Oct 92 13:58:15 GMT
Reply-To: gibian@ljohub.enet.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Given the breadth of the topic of software licensing, I find it interesting
that the only sustained traffic right now is about attacking licensing
systems by changing the clock.  I would think that how well this form of
attack is detected and handled is an attribute of a software licensing system,
and thus one of the factors used in choosing one.
--
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Principal Software Engineer	phone: (508) 486-6598
Digital Equipment Corporation	fax:   (508) 486-6648  or (508) 486-6100


Newsgroups: comp.software.licensing
From: deej@cadence.com (Jim Howard)
Subject: Re: Moving back the system clock
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc., San Jose, CA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:20:19 GMT

In article <davison.716941195@sfu.ca> davison@selkirk.sfu.ca (R. Davison) writes:
>marra@samuel.enet.dec.com (Dave Marra) writes:
>
>>re: talk about moving the system clock back.
>
>>Why can't the license system keep an internal timestamp inside it's license
>>database somewhere, and then, when it detects that time has taken a step
>>backwards, simply disable all licenses?  
>
>The clock on our systems needs to adjusted occassionally.  If I had to
>reinstall all licenced systems every time, I'd be wishing for a better 
>scheme.  Licencing, should not inconvenience legitimate users.
>
>>At that point it would take a complete re-installation of the entire license
>>system, including the licenses to get everything back online.  I would think
>>that would deter folks from setting the clock back.
>
>Rod  Davison.
>

	Another method used by licensing software to assure date validity is
    by checking the creation dates of certain files in the /etc directory...
    This is a much safer method than utilizing an internal timestamp, IMHO.

         ~ deej ~              | (If I were expressing Cadence's opinions, )
Jim Howard -- deej@cadence.com | (they'd probably make me wear a tie...    )
        (^:=             Flames cheerfully ignored.             =:^)
"I used to be disgusted, but now I'm just amused..." -- Elvis Costello
Newsgroups: comp.software.licensing
From: imp@solbourne.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: Moving back the system clock
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:38:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.172120.28771@news.duc.auburn.edu> elling@eng.auburn.edu writes:
>This is trivial to defeat.  First, one can use trace (or, better yet, truss)
>to see what files you are stat()ing, then change the creation dates.

Or ptrace to change the values that come back from stat(), etc.

Warner
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I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety.
Newsgroups: comp.software.licensing
From: imp@solbourne.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: Re: Moving back the system clock
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:34:25 GMT

In article <JEFF.92Oct4154740@dsp.sps.mot.com> jeff@dsp.sps.mot.com (Jeff Enderwick) writes:
>>Or ptrace to change the values that come back from stat(), etc.
>Wouldn't this make your application really pokey, since ptrace would trap on
>*every* syscall?

Not if you stopped ptracing after you knew that the magic file(s) had
been stated.  On systems with /dev/proc, you can selectively trap
system calls.

Warner
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I've almost finished my brute force solution to subtlety.
Newsgroups: comp.software.licensing
From: mar@athena.mit.edu (Mark A. Rosenstein)
Subject: Re: Small Developer, Public Domain LM
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:41:18 GMT

We are developing our own license server here at MIT which will likely
be available soon.  We will be sure to announce it here when we are 
ready to release the code.
					-Mark
From: kmagel@plains.NoDak.edu (ken magel)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Do Software Engineers Actualy Do So Badly?
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:51:44 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


      Many articles here and in the popular press bemoan the "fact" that
software engineering does not do anywhere near as well as other more mature
forms of engineering in delivering completed products on time and within 
budget.  However, I recently was involved in two incidents involving other 
forms of engineering which indicate that every form has similar difficulties.
There is a new interstate interchange being constructed about a mile and a
half from my house.  The builders posted large signs on all the connecting 
and nearby roads indicating that there would be traffic problems from 
April 2nd until Oct. 23rd.  They announced that the project would be 
completed by Oct. 23rd.  This week they have admitted that it will be late
November before the project is completed.  Hence we have a one month slippage
in a project with absolutely rigid requirements determined well in advance
of the project start and not changed at all.  The weather has not been 
particularly unusual except for cold during that period either.
     As a second example, we are moving in to a new $11 million
dollar building next month.  During one redrawing of the diagrams for 
a portion of that building, the architect left off the white boards for 
all faculty offices in our portion of the building.  We discovered this 
recently and asked that the architect cover the cost of the boards since 
they were in the diagrams we had signed off on, but not in this later set 
we had not seen.  Since they were not in the later set, the builders did 
not bid on them   Anyway, the architect laughed.  The 
University building coordinator laughed.  According to them, architects 
never pay for such mistakes.  The customer just has to grin and bear it.
They mentioned several other mistakes and reworkings which had to be done
and for which the architect paid nothing.  EIther the contractors paid for
what was not their mistake or the University is going to do without.
From: kambic@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Bonus, Iniquus, Celer - Delegitus Duo)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: Software Inspections
Date: 6 Oct 92 08:20:16 EST

In article <torres.718340429@yacht>, torres@ee.fit.edu (Francisco Torres) writes:
> I am taking a course in Software Engineering and have been asked to write a report on
> Software Inspections.  However, I have been unable to find any information on the subject.
> I would apprectiate any help that could be provided from people in this group.  I do not
> really know what Software Inspections are, but I have been told that they are essentially
> meetings where a group of people examine the code of a project line by line and question
> some of the decisions that were made.  I would appreciate any information either as a posting
> to this news group or as an E-Mail response.

Fagan, IBM systems Journal, Vol 15, 1976

Fagan, IEEE Trans on SE, Vol SE-12, 1986

Fowler, ATT Tech Journal, Vol 65, 1986

Freedman and  WEinberg, Handbook of Walkthroughs, Inspections amd Technical
Reviews, Dorset House, 1990

IEEE Std 1028

Jones, IBM Systems Journal, Vol 24, 1985

Mays, IBM Systems Journal Vol. 29, 1990

Gilb, Principles of Software Engineering Management, Dorset, Chapter 12

Plus Gilb is about to publish  a new book on only Software Inspections.

Read Fagan first.  Mays and Jones use it in an integrated approach.  Fagan now
has a company somewhere in California that would probably send you some
literature.

Funny.  I just did the same thing for an internal company report.

Have fun.

George Kambic
sd

From: may@hpcea.CE.HP.COM (Elaine May)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 03:13:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Recommended books
Organization: HP Corporate Engineering - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng

>In comp.software-eng, iann@tcom.stc.co.uk (Ian Newman) writes,
>If this subject is too huge, then perhaps some one could mail me or post
>a recommended booklist?
There are many good books on software engineering.  What would you like
to learn?

For starters, I'd recommend:

Tom Gilb, Principles of Software Engineering Management, Addison-Wesley, 1988,
ISBN 0-201-19246-2.  An interesting introduction to software management.
Has lots of interesting ideas (evolutionary development, in particular).

Watts Humphrey, Managing the Software Process, Addison-Wesley, 1990,
ISBN 0-201-18095-2.  A classic.  Discusses the "SEI maturity model".

Edward Yourdon, Decline and Fall of the American Programmer, Prentice Hall, 
1992, ISBN 0-13-203670-3.  An entertaining and opinionated look at the
state of software development today.  Targetted at the U.S. audience (the
title is a dead giveaway), but I think useful for anyone developing software.
Has an excellent reading list.

Tom DeMarco and Tim Lister, Peopleware, Dorset House, 1987. The human
side of software engineering.  Entertaining and worth thinking about.
From: dickey@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com (Bill Dickey)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: X-runner
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:44:01 GMT
Organization: Honeywell Air Transport Systems Division


Do anyone know anything of a tool called X-Runner?  I think it is a capture
and playback testing tool for X-window applications.  Any information anyone
could provide on how the tools works, support, etc. woulde be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Bill
dickey@saifr00.cfsat.honeywell.com
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: neil@cadreor.cadre.com (Neil W. Van Dyke)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: Code Reviews
Date: 26 Sep 92 09:42:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: cadreor.1992Sep26.094229.15951
Organization: Cadre Technologies, Inc., Portland Operation

brad@spike.insci.com (Brad Segal) writes:
>I need to find some information on code reviews and how to implement them.

One book I've found especially helpful for all types of technical reviews is:

    Yourdon
    *Structured Walkthroughs*, 4th Ed.
    1989, Prentice-Hall

It also has a short appendix specific to code reviews.

Two other useful books which have chapters on technical reviews are:

    Gause & Weinberg
    *Exploring Requirements: Quality Before Design*
    1989, Dorset House

    Humphrey
    *Managing the Software Process*
    1989, Addison Wesley

I also liked DeMarco's & Lister's *Peopleware* for general information on team
software development.

P.S., Please consider summarizing E-mail responses to the 'net.  Thanks.

-- 
Neil W. Van Dyke <> neil@cadre.com <> +1 503 690 1586 <> Fax: +1 503 690 1320
"My employer disclaims that I even work for them, much less speak for them."
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