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From: marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch (Robert Marti)
Subject: Re: Cat among the pigeons!
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:18:58 GMT

In article <9211201313.AA17883@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>,
PHT007%SIRIUS.UKC.AC.UK@ib.rl.ac.uk writes:
|> Everyone is probably going to flame me for this, but here goes anyway.
|> 
|> Did everyone notice how great the Australian GP was AFTER Mansell
|> and Senna had gone out.
|> [ ... ]
|> I say goodbye to both Mansell and Senna for 1993 (and hopefully
|> for good) and good ridance!!!  Unfortunately Prost also comes under
|> this catagory, and I hope to see him finally retire too.
|> 
|> Heres to Michael Schumacher, Johnny Herbert, Michael Andretti,
|> Mika Hakkinen, Damon Hill, Karl Wendlinger and the rest who
|> are a credit to the sport.

Why should I flame you?  You pretty much echoed my own feelings.
(OK, I liked Mansell better than the other two, but so what.)
Except I didn't have the courage to post it to the net -- probably
because I was afraid of the flames  ;-)

Of course, it remains to be seen how reasonable the above possums
(no offense intended) will be once they are megastars ...

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From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Audi's Plans Re: Information wanted
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:49:14 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In the referenced article, TBACKMAN@finabo.abo.fi (Timo B{ckman TF) writes:
>
>Two notices from the local papers that I haven't seen yet in r.a.s. 
>
>1. McLaren will use Ford HB V8 engines 1993. They have to use the same
>engines as Lotus. Benetton will have the latest versions. BUT in 1994
>McLaren will use AUDI engines. Audi has withdrawed from the DTM championship,
>and are now coming back to F1 in 1994. Can anyone confirm this?

Autosport has this story.  There has been a rumour of Volkswagen/Audi
entering F1 for 18 months.  This has increased now that Ferdinand Piech
has become president of VAG, the parent company.  He has pushed for the
F1 project for a long time - he was also largely responsible for the
development of the Audi Quattro rally car in the '80s.  Then a few
weeks ago, Audi applied for a patent on the name 'Silver Arrows'.

They have a high-revving 3.5 litre V10 on the test bed but its still
in an early stage of development, and they would probably start in
1994.   For 1993, McLaren would presumably use Ford HB V8's, in the
same spec as for Lotus.  This might jeopardise Pacific's plans to
take over Fondmetal's engine deal.

If Senna takes his sabatical for 1993, Mika Hakkinen, Martin Brundle
and Mark Blundell are possibles for the McLaren drive.


			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
From: stauffer@src.honeywell.com (Don Stauffer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Racing photos
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:54:29 GMT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
To: rec.autos.sport
Posted-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 08: 54:29 CST
Received-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 08: 54:30 CST

I need help from any old timers in lower Michigan and northern Ohio.  I am
going through my father's old racing scrapbook.  There are many, many old
racing photos taken in the 1935-1941 time period in Detroit, Toledo, Lima,
etc.  Many of them are by one of two photographers.  I would like to contact
either these photographers or their heirs to discuss copyright, with an
aim towards possible publication.  Here is the info I have on them;

Harold Robinson- Racing Photos
1215 Camden, Toledo, Ohio

Al Blixt (ACE)
18400 Ilene (spelling?)
Detroit, Mich.

Each was apparently a sports writer, covering the local auto racing news,
Robinson for one of the Toledo Papers (was there a Toledo "Press"?), under
his own name.  Al Blixt wrote under the pen name ACE, apparently for one
of the Detroit papers (the clippings do not show the paper names).

Don Stauffer     stauffer@src.honeywell.com
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From: rculley@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (Culley R. G.,85L2,Tel. x3534)
Subject: Re: Senna's an ass!
Reply-To: rculley@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:26:31 GMT

In article 1e7hcbINNj1c@uniwa.uwa.edu.au, humpty@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Daniel
Ong) writes:
>
>What about the fact that Mansell took a different line on the approach
>to the hairpin.  He did not take the racing line and hogged the track.
>

Your implication that Mansell was in the wrong for not taking the racing line
to protect his position makes me laugh. What has Senna been doing all year
when he's been protecting his position when there are faster cars behind
him. And don't forget Monte Carlo this year when Senna luckily found himself
in the lead with only a few laps to go. What line did he take during those
laps to keep Mansell at bay? And Mansell managed to not run into Senna and
he had a far faster car at that time and was within inches of Senna on
almost every corner. I'm not condoning this method of obstructing cars but
if its ok for one driver to do it then why not for all. For me the best
solution is a redesign of many circuits so that there are enough overtaking
parts of the track.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:38:22 -0500 
From: Vittorio Mischi <vm15+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Parmalat - a definitive answer


Parmalat is a dairy product company based in the outskirts of Parma, in
nothern Italy. Founded in the sixties by Mr Calisto Tanzi, it became a
colossal business because of a patented milk sterilization process (UHT
- Ultra High Temperature) which made it possible to conserve it at room
temperature for over a month.

As you can imagine, this allowd Parmalat to expand the radius of its
operations considerably and with a big strategic advantage over the
smaller dairy producers of the rest of Europe: its process guaranteed a
different operational tranqullity in deliveries and cut down wastes.
They could expand to the point that having their name on a Formula 1 car
was a good marketing investment.

I do not know why they withdrew from thew "circus", but I believe they
are still in the sport sponsoring business, by having their name on the
Parma Calcio's shirts in the Italian Soccer league (sorry, but I do not
live in Italy anymore...). The funny thing about this is that when Parma
Calcio enlisted the current Brazilian national goalkeeper, sales in that
country improved more than when Piquet was racing on a Parmalat -
sponsored car!

I hope this message does not constitute "noise" in this b-board.

Thanks

Vittorio


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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: I asked Michael (I WISH I DID!)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:16:39 GMT

In article <8745@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> gfg@bohr.physics.purdue.edu 
(Gabriele F. Giuliani) writes:
>If a were a decent F1 driver the "graduation" to the Indy series would likely 
>cost me a gigantic pay cut.

It wasn't that long ago that a driver racing in the US would be disinclined
to pursue a career in F1 because it meant taking a pay cut.  Of course,
that was also a time when a driver could be behind the wheel of three or four 
different types of cars in one year.

--
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From: dinsdale@berlioz.nsc.com (Steve McRobert)
Subject: Re: Patrese
Summary: well, he tried at hockenheim
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation, Santa Clara
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:42:41 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.014050.25389@leland.Stanford.EDU> motta@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nazare Motta) writes:
>Ok, some say Senna is an ass. 
>I personally think that Senna, Mansell and Prost they all suck!
>It's time for new blood. How about Fittipaldi (the kid, not the old one)
>But I think that the prize "Sucker of the Year" has to go to Patrese (oops, I
>forgot how to spell it among other words, of course).
>He had everything to make this year a little more interesting than it was 
>if he had put a little pressure on his team. 
>But, no! He sat in his cockpit waiting for God knows what, accomplishing
>a mediocre role when he could have been the factor for "emotions" in the 
>races. I'm not even talk about taking the title from Mansell but at 
>least faking a desire of!!!
>I really miss Piquet in his old days, N. Lauda and F. Cevert!!!

well, patrese did at least have a go at hockenheim and privided some
entertainment.

By piquet in his old days I presume you mean vs alan jones etc.

Mansell was clearly faster when they were both at williams.
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Subject: Re: F1: 3 year Technology Freeze
From: thomas@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Beagle)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:20:25 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <1992Nov19.130038.7421@gdr.bath.ac.uk> bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry) writes:
>Autosport says that Bernie Ecclestone will propose a three year
>freeze on new technology in a January summit meeting. He also
>thinks that a handicap system could be introduced, to add weight
>to the first six finishers, like in the GTCC. He said, "Too many
>people in F1 think short term.  But we must be mindful that we
>are involved in entertainment as well as sport."

Hmmm, well that rules out F1 for me.

Anyone know of any motor racing (rather than drags) sport where teams
are allowed to be more intelligent than other teams?

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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: Are you there Wayne?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:50:43 GMT

This is for Wayne Martin Degrange:
  I have tried to send you a reply three times now, all three got bounced
back. Can you give me a different address to e-mail you?

TOBY...
.

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From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Lola chassis ID's
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 06:39:37 GMT
Summary: What do they mean ?
Keywords: lola

Hi,

How do Lola make up the model ID numbers for thier chassis ?  For example,
what does "T91/01" mean (do they have the 'T' ? - I can't remember).

A wild guess - the '91' part is the year.

What does the rest mean ?  It seems like they use the same numbering system
for all their chassis (Indy, F3000, etc).

Thanks in advance,

Doigman.
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From: ldahlmey@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Lothar Dahlmeyer)
Subject: FYI-Final WC Points & Money
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:36:02 GMT

Final 1992 Winston Cup Point Standings and Winnings
for top 20 positions as of 17-nov-1992 (Albuquerque Journal)

1.	Alan Kulwicki (7)	Ford	4078  $  947,010.-
2.	Bill Elliott (11)	Ford	4068   1,256,105.-
3.	Davey Allison (28)	Ford	4015   1,621,730.-
4.	Harry Gant (33)		Olds	3955     804,455.-
5.	Kyle Petty (42)		Pont	3945     908,870.-

6. 	Mark Martin (6)		Ford	3887     851,505.-
7.	Ricky Rudd (5)		Chev	3735     671,215.-
8.	Terry Labonte (94)	Olds	3674     504,070.-
9.	Darrell Waltrip (17)	Chev 	3659     792,920.-
10.	Sterling Marlin (22)	Ford	3603     578,965.-

11.	Ernie Irvan (4)		Chev	3580     913,180.-
12.	Dale Earnhardt (3)	Chev	3574     863,885.-
13.	Rusty Wallace (2)	Pont	3556     608,975.-
14.	Morgan Shepherd (21)	Ford	3549     585,090.-
15.	Brett Bodine (26)	Ford	3491     450,530.-

16. 	Geoff Bodine (15)	Ford	3437     673,515.-
17.	Ken Schrader (25)	Chev	3404     598,240.-
18.	Ted Musgrave (55)	Ford	3315     407,610.-
19.	Dale Jarrett (18)	Chev	3251 (not in top 20)
20.	Dick Trickle (8)	Ford	3097     393,645.-

?.	Michael Waltrip (30)	Pont	?        410,545.-

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From: per@aber.ac.uk (Peter David Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Moscow 1993?
Date: 20 Nov 92 10:44:45 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth


With the Autopolis now officialy cancelled formula one organisers are looking 
for although Detroit or Mexico are the most likely CEEFAX carried the following
(paraphrased) report this morning. 
City officials in Moscow have given the go ahead for a 2.39mile road course to 
be developed close to Red Square. The pr work is to be carried out by an Italian
company and they hope to hold the "spare" 1993 GP.
The current Autosport carries a similar report but quoted 1994 as the target 
date.
Pete
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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Anyone attending the Palm Sprints Historics this weekend?
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:11:31 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

If anyone would care to pick me up a program from this event, I
would gladly trade one of my extras from the Monterey Historics
Years: Jaguar '92, Alfa '85, or Ford '83, or reimburse plus.

Thanks in advance,

Dan Jones 
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From: jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com (Jeff Nappi)
Subject: Re: Nissan and IMSA
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:12:50 GMT

|> The 911 Turbo and Turbo S simply drove circles around the RX-7s.  I'm not 
|> disputing Mazda's success, certainly they have had plenty, but I believe the 
|> 911 to be the superior model.  Only time will tell if I can say that in the 
|> future.
|> 
No doubt the Lotuses and 911 Turbo S2 did dominate the Bridgestone series,
but lets take a closer look at these cars. IMSA in its wondederfull
constant flux decided to wave the rule that a car fielded in the Bridgestone
series didn't have to come from at least 200 production units. What you got
from Porsche and Lotus was specially built cars to compete with, don't get me
wrong these guys are playing by the rules, but hardly a good guage against
a bone stock RX7. Now I know you are going to say that the RX7 is not hardly
bone stock and you are right the car has been blueprinted and has had tweeks
done to its suspension but since this is the first year that it is running
it was saddled the first couple of races with a added two hundred pounds
which were later removed and the car is now running at its street weight.
Peter Farrel who drives one of the RX7's said he has no problems out 
braking and keeping up with the cars in the turns but he just can't match
the hp of the 911's, it is estimated that the 911s are producing well over
400hp. Next year Mazda will build two specially prepared RX7's for Price
Cobb and Pete Halsmer to race in the Bridgestone series, personally I wish
they would go back to your street production based cars only and not allow any
specially built cars from the factory. One good thing out of all this is
that you can now buy one of these specially optioned 911's, can you say 360hp
and six figures. I think a 911 Turbo and new RX7 would look just fine in
my garage.-)

-- 
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Columbus Bell Labs
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From: Ric.Johnson@f4.n290.z1.aisbbs.com (Ric Johnson)
Sender: postmaster@aisbbs.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: F1 Stuff
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 18:50:06



>[ On 11/09/92 bownes@crd.ge.com wrote this to All ]<

Bi> 'Flipper wing' on Chapparal Can-Am cars. Angle of huge rear wing
Bi>adjustable and connected to brakes. Great to watch.

Actually, since the Chaparrals had automatic transmissions the
driver's left foot was used to operate a third pedal which
controlled wing angle...

Bi> 'Sucker car' - again Chapparal Can-Am. Underside was depressurized with
Bi>the aide of a 8hp engine driving a fan.

Not to mention the similar concept used briefly by Brabham-Alfa on their
BT46B F1 car in the '78 season (before it was quickly banned).

                                   rj
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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansell brake tests Senna
Date: 19 Nov 92 20:53:50 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Andrew Henry writes:

>In the referenced article, thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen) writes:
>>In <1992Nov10.160034.49875@ccvax.ucd.ie> wboatclb@ccvax.ucd.ie writes:
>>And whaddeyer mean 'Nobody brake tests a 3 time world champion'?
>>Should they be exempt? Is it OK to test rookies? Mansell was varying 
>>his approach speed and Senna wasn't paying complete attention as he
>>was thinking about lining up a pass. No real stigma attached.
>
>In Nigel Roebuck's column in Autosport, he wrote ...
>
>   [... one of the stewards said after the race]  "As far as I was
>   concerned, he [Mansell] gave the other bloke a brake test, and
>   that's all there was to it."
>
>   Other drivers, having seen a video of the incident, agreed.
>   "It wasn't an error of judgement by Senna," one said, "because
>   the speed differential was too much for that.  He was simply
>   taken by surprise.  Mind you,"  he giggled,  "if anyone should
>   have been ready for a brake test, it's Ayrton.  There's no one
>   better at them than he is ..."

Just maybe Senna is better at giving brake tests rather than getting 
them.  Or maybe Mansell is better at getting them rather than giving 
them.  I hope Mansell works on this problem of his before Indy.  He 
might try to brake test another driver exiting turn four. 

Dan Jones
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From: lav4208@venus.tamu.edu 
Subject: Mansell sold to Brabham-Judd !!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:53:00 GMT

ok, so i lied, just trying to get your attention.

Q : How does the indy car point system work ?
	points for finishing order?
	ponts for starting order?
	points for position at end of each lap?


it certainly is more complicated than the F1 system.

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From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Subject: Re: I asked Michael (Michael a F1 driver, NOT!)
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:57:02 GMT

In article <19NOV199211283049@utarlg.uta.edu> b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:
>Andretti dominanting Indy cars ? You have a very short memory, one
>championship in ten years hardly qualifies as dominating. 

Beg pardon, but for the last three years Mikey A. has been the driver
to beat in Indy cars.  He had the most victories and poles this year,
and (I think) led every race at some point!  It was primarily engine
support system bugs that caused him to lose Indy and enough other
races to cost the championship.  I think "dominating" is a fair
statement.

>							   I think the
>notion that Andretti will bring more exposure to F1 is equally dubious.

Well, we can dream, can't we?

I may not like the Andrettis but I certainly respect their abilities
and accomplishments.

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@charon.arc.nasa.gov  Chucko@westmark.stanford.edu

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From: bdewey@grok116.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Bob Dewey)
Subject: Re: Corvette GS ??
Organization: NCR Corp., Columbia SC
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 13:50:51 GMT

In article <184325@pyramid.pyramid.com> danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:
>Dan Jones writes:
>>Robert Smith writes:
>>
>>>Does anyone know if there are any of the Corvette Gran Sports still
>>>in existence? I think only four or five escaped the factory before
>>>the line was shut down.
>>
>>I believe there were 5 coupes and 2 roadstrs built. 
>
>After reading a bit more on the subject, this is misleading.  As of 1989
>Chevrolet had not released any information about the 2 roadstrs, so its
>not known with 100% certainty.  It is thought that roadstr #001 started 
>out as the #001 test mule coupe that Masten Gregory tested at Sebring in
>late '62 or early '63.  Less is known about the #002 roadstr, but it
>might have never been a coupe.  After the coupes had become uncompetitive
>the two roadstrs were sold by Chevrolet to private parties (Penske and
>Wintersteen?).  All five cars do exist today, #005 coupe being the only 
>one that hasn't been restored (as of 1989).
>
>Dan Jones
I was at the vintage car races in Palm Springs in the fall of 86 and
one of the GS's was racing.  As it accelerated down the front straight
the left front wheel came off.  Needless to say the crowd in the
grandstand, knowing the value of the car, as a whole gasped and held
their cumulative breaths.  I don't know who was driving but he
controlled it and returned back up the track after a few minutes so
everyone could breath again.


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From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Stuff
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:57:26 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

PADDOCK, EVERETT H. (EHP@snowyt.me.psu.edu) wrote:
: force on the tires is greater than the downforce produced by the wing(s).  I
: think the guy who figured this out was Colin Chapman.  The first cantilevered
: wings appeared on the Lotus 72 in 1973 (I'm 75% sure of the car/year).
: 

Putting the wings way back behind the car also served to put them in less
turbulent air -- the disruption of the air by the rest of the car was such
that the downforce was considerably reduced the closer the wing was to it.

Pete
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From: pete@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Information wanted
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:58:45 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

Timo B{ckman TF (TBACKMAN@finabo.abo.fi) wrote:
: 
: Two notices from the local papers that I haven't seen yet in r.a.s. 
: 
: 1. McLaren will use Ford HB V8 engines 1993. They have to use the same
: engines as Lotus. Benetton will have the latest versions. BUT in 1994
: McLaren will use AUDI engines. Audi has withdrawed from the DTM championship,
: and are now coming back to F1 in 1994. Can anyone confirm this?
: 

Autosport reckons this as well. Interestingly, Audi has apparently applied
for the exclusive rights to the name ``Silver Arrows'' -- wonder what
Mercedes think?

pete
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