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From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Error printing after Contents-Length change in PL8
Keywords: readmsg print
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:54:41 GMT

bam@jutland.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Bo Muldbak) writes:
>After the latest fixes for using Contents-Length, a mail, that would 
>previously be considered two, are now correctly interpreted as one.
>(As when forwarding a mail without editing.)

>But since "readmsg" utility still interprets the mailbox in the old way,
>its now impossible to print forwarded mail. Only the first header
>part is printed. 
work is underway to move the new 'parsing' routine from Elm to lib
and use it everywhere, it will still be a few weeks until that is
released.
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Xref: sparky comp.mail.elm:3418 comp.unix.aix:11769
From: pbahrs@netftp.austin.ibm.com (Peter C Bahrs (boca))
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.unix.aix
Subject: ELM 2.4dev PL52  on AIX 3.1.5   ughhhh...
Date: 19 Nov 92 22:53:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: *IX Open Systems, IBM Boca Raton

Sorry if this has been asked before...

I am trying to get 2.4 pl52 running on a 3.1.5 RS6K.  I can get
it to compile and start to run by it fails trying to initialize
my screen.  As I trace the code with dbx, it is failing on a getenv("TERM")
call as NULL, although a printf shows the result to be hft.  yikes...

I have 2.4 running fine on 3.2 on RS6K and have to use this remote 3.1.5
machine to get to the world...

Any ideas?

Thanks for your time,
Peter

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From: erisande@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Kryst the Philosopher)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Saving Sent Mail
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:09:48 GMT
Organization: Quitters Inc.


	Why is it that when I send my sent mail to the sent directory,
it doesn't do what it is told to do.  Instead, if I send a message to
'x' and there is an 'x' folder, then it puts the sent message in the
'x' folder.  Is there any way I can make it ALWAYS send to the sent
directory?
		Email please...			Thanks...

-- 
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but she just drops her pearl-black eyes
and prays to hear him say 'I love you',
but he tells no more lies.
From: rayd@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Dan Ray)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Automated forwarding?
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:29:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov18.232924.4817
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN

Is there any way to make ELM forward received mail with a certain
string in the subject to a group of people? I've been trying a few
different things, but I haven't yet been able to get it to work.

Feel free to reply by mail.

Thanks!

--Dan
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: steve@nshore.org (Stephen J. Walick)
Subject: ispell interface question
Organization: Nshore Hacking and Salvage
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:00:19 GMT

I was able to obtain the sources for `ispell', compiled then and
recompiled 'Elm2.4 PL8'.  But, I'm getting an error that I don't
understand with `ispell' --

>> # sh Configure | tee .do.out 2>&1
>> ---------------------------------
>> [ ... ]
>> 
>> ispell is in /usr/local/bin/ispell.
>> 
>> [ ... ]
>> 
>> Elm has the ability to place a call to the GNU ispell spelling checker
>> on its post message entry/pre message send menu.
>> Configure was unable to find ispell
>> Should Elm add the ispell option to the pre-send menu? [y] <Retn>
>>  
>> Give the name of the ispell program on your
>> system: [/usr/local/bin/ispell] <Retn>
>> What options should Elm use with /usr/local/bin/ispell: [V N X H Y G J \
>> 	D T Z S P M] <Retn>

...And yet, I get the following error in selecting 'i)spell' on the
pre-send menu --

	Can't open V
	Can't open N
	Can't open X
	Can't open H
	Can't open Y
	Can't open G
	Can't open J
	Can't open D
	Can't open T
	Can't open R
	Can't open Z
	Can't open S
	Can't open P
	Can't open M

What might I be doing wrong?

Regards....  Steve

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From: ce095@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey Scott Traigle)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Elm on SGI
Date: 21 Nov 1992 07:21:56 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce095@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey Scott Traigle)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Could someone who is more familiar with SGIs lend me a hand on
compiling Elm? I'm getting an error that says _timezone is
redeclared. The command on compiling looks something like

cc -O -I. -I.. file.c -c

Jeff Traigle
From: dave@das13.snide.com (Dave Snyder)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Filter and Vacation
Date: 21 Nov 92 16:00:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Snide Computer Services - Folcroft, PA

In article <1992Nov21.021926.15840@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> ggurman@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Gail Gurman) writes:
} I'm going on vacation this week and I wanted to create a filter that
} would save certain messages to a file and, with the rest, save a copy
} in my mail spool and run vacation.
} 
} I tried several different methods of doing this and couldn't get it
} to call vacation properly.
} 
This is what my ".forward" file looks like...

"|/usr/lbin/filter -o /u/dave/.elm/filter-errors", "|/usr/lbin/vacation -r4 -a snyder dave"

DAS
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: jladwig@soils.umn.edu (John Ladwig)
Subject: Rejected hunk in Patch #9 (Sparc/SunOS4.1.2)
Reply-To: john.ladwig@soils.umn.edu
Organization: UMN Soils GIS Lab
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:14:22 GMT

Things seem OK now, but I wondered if anyone else saw this problem.
Patches 10 and 11 went in without problem, so can I ignore this?

My Configure script doesn't appear to have:
   a) Enough lines for this hunk
   b) The appropriate context lines for it.

Comments?

Configure.rej.pl9:
***************
*** 3700,3705 ****
      d_tz_min="$undef"
  fi
  $rm -f try.c
  : check for valid reply/to fields
  case "$d_useembed" in
  "$define")	dflt=y;;
--- 3701,3710 ----
      d_tz_min="$undef"
  fi
  $rm -f try.c
+ : see if there is a tzname
+ set tzname d_tzname
+ eval $inlibc
+ 
  : check for valid reply/to fields
  case "$d_useembed" in
  "$define")	dflt=y;;
***************
*** 4516,4521 ****
  d_termio='$d_termio'
  d_termios='$d_termios'
  d_tz_min='$d_tz_min'
  d_useembed='$d_useembed'
  d_utimbuf='$d_utimbuf'
  d_vfork='$d_vfork'
--- 4521,4527 ----
  d_termio='$d_termio'
  d_termios='$d_termios'
  d_tz_min='$d_tz_min'
+ d_tzname='$d_tzname'
  d_useembed='$d_useembed'
  d_utimbuf='$d_utimbuf'
  d_vfork='$d_vfork'


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From: casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik)
Subject: Re: Newmbox-length of mbox != spool mailbox length!!
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:35:40 GMT

syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes:

>bud@paradise.pegasus.com (Bud Carlson) writes:
>>If mime support is not being built in, why care about the Content at all ???

>because many sites that honor it, no longer escape imbeeded "From " lines.
>Thus the content-length is needed to determine message seperation.

True, but shouldn't the Content-Length header be added on final
delivery? There are still sites munging message bodies out there
(think bitnet). If a sites MUAs honor it, it should be added on final
delivery at that site. That is the only way you can be certain that
the header is correct. If it's wrong, you may get yourself in a lot
of trouble.

Casper
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Default Items In Weedout List?
Organization: Mail Group
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 01:38:08 GMT

Is there any way to prevent elm from implicitly entering items into your
weedout list?  My weedout is as follows:

weed = ON

weedout = 		"Message-Id:" "*end-of-user-headers*"

Yet elm is weeding out many other headers besides just Message-Id:.
When I hit the 'h' key to reveal all headers, there are many new ones
there (and I assume these were weeded out).  How do I prevent elm from
implicitly weeding out any headers except those I explicitly place in my
weedout list?

Thanks,
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: westes@sti.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Adding Quoted Individual's Mail Address To Quotation Label?
Organization: Mail Group
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:03:58 GMT

How can I set my elmrc file so that when I respond to a quoted passage,
elm will insert both the person's name and his/her mail address.  For
example, I would like something like the following:

Quoting Will Estes (westes@netcom.com):
< here is a quote from will estes....

Is there a way to get the quote string as above?

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: bam@jutland.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Bo Muldbak)
Subject: Error printing after Contents-Length change in PL8
Followup-To: comp.mail.elm
Keywords: readmsg print
Reply-To: Bo.Muldbak@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Organization: NCR Corporation, MCPD Columbia SC.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:26:40 GMT

After the latest fixes for using Contents-Length, a mail, that would 
previously be considered two, are now correctly interpreted as one.
(As when forwarding a mail without editing.)

But since "readmsg" utility still interprets the mailbox in the old way,
its now impossible to print forwarded mail. Only the first header
part is printed. 

	Regards
		Bo Muldbak

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From: ggurman@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Gail Gurman)
Subject: Filter and Vacation
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 02:19:26 GMT

I'm going on vacation this week and I wanted to create a filter that
would save certain messages to a file and, with the rest, save a copy
in my mail spool and run vacation.

I tried several different methods of doing this and couldn't get it
to call vacation properly.

The Elm Filter System Guide gives the following example for using
vacation as follows:

    if (from = "boss") then vacation pat

This is what my filter-rules looked like:

    to "bof" ? save "bof"
    always execute "/usr/ucb/vacation ggurman"

The first line works fine. For the second line I tried: 

    always vacation ggurman
    always savecopy "| vacation ggurman"
    always forward "| vacation ggurman"

Needless to say, none of them worked. The filter log showed that the
filter had been used (except for "always vacation ggurman" which returned 
an error), but vacation didn't do anything. When I tried the standard,
non-filter, way of using the vacation program, it worked fine.

By the time I get an answer on this, it will be too late for this
trip, but can anyone give me an idea as to how to do this in the future?

Thanks very much.

Gail

Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: jladwig@soils.umn.edu (John Ladwig)
Subject: Re: Problems with sendmail called from ELM - ME TOO!
Reply-To: john.ladwig@soils.umn.edu
Organization: UMN Soils GIS Lab
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:21:03 GMT

In <Bxto0D.6s9@cs.psu.edu> kenh@leps5.phys.psu.edu (Ken Hornstein) writes:

>In article <DUG.92Nov16173206@morlich.turing.ac.uk> dug@turing.ac.uk (& Scoular) writes:
>>Hi All,
>>In article <1992Nov13.175323@hlrz24.hlrz.kfa-juelich.de> melin@hlrz24.hlrz.kfa-juelich.de (Stephan Melin) writes:
>>
>>>   at our site we have a problem whith ELM sending mail:
>>>   when sending mail to certain sites whith ELM the mail 
>>>   never gets delivered. The message on the console reads
>>>   something like: 
>>>   ... sendmail, nethang connection timed out
>>
>>	We get this too, it seems to happen when users choose to use
>>	emacs as their elm editor. The exact error we get is...
>>
>>NOQUEUE: SYSERR: net hang reading from mailhost: Connection timed out

>The problem lies with the version of sendmail Sun ships, and the now-infamous
>OR option.

>A short synopsis: Sun has an option in their sendmail config files that, when
>enabled, will deliver mail to a central mailhost IF the mail spool is NFS
>mounted.  This is actually a nice feature; unfortunately, it is implemented
>VERY poorly.  There are a ton of problems that happen when you enable OR;
>one of them is IF you don't end a message with a newline, you will get the
>"net hang" error message, and sendmail will eat the message for breakfast.
>Vi doesn't let you end a message with a newline; but emacs does.

>The solution?

>	Get your system administrator to upgrade to IDA sendmail (something
>	that should be done anyway).

>	Don't use emacs :-)

>	Set a emacs option so it always adds a newline (I forget what the
>	option is, tho)

In your ~/.emacs or other emacs setup file:

(setq require-final-newline nil)   ;; automatically insert a newline at the end
                                ;; of a saved buffer if it is not the last char
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From: aras@multix.no (Arne Asplem)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Newmbox-length of mbox != spool mailbox length!!
Date: 17 Nov 1992 09:43:06 GMT
Organization: Multix AS, Oslo, NOrway
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: peacock.multix.no

In article <yDF=lV@engin.umich.edu>, ronda@ais.org (Ronda Hauben) writes:
> I am still having trouble with all this as well.
> 
> I got a note from a bug report to DSI which said that the problem
> only happened on spools with defective Content-Length headers.
> 
> Does anyone know that means and how to deal with the problem?
>        ronda 
> 
> Steve Lodin (swlodin@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com) wrote:


I'm experiencing the same problems. I have elm2.3 pl11 running on the
server, and 2.4 pl8 on my workstation. /usr/mail is exported from the
file server, and from time to time I get the "Newmbox-length of mbox != 
spool mailbox length!" error message when starting 2.4 on my workstation.
If I rlogin to the server and starts 2.3 it works fine !

  -- Arne

PS: I'm running ISC SVR3.2 V3.01

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: chip@chinacat.unicom.com (Chip Rosenthal)
Subject: New printing feature with Elm2.4pl8 [Was: ELM print utility]
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin, TX
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 04:54:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.181532.29186@netcon.smc.edu>
	lawrence@netcon.smc.edu (Lawrence Roney) writes:
>I recall seeing a utility that rerouted ELM's print command to the user's
>local terminal and not the system printer.  Could someone tell me what this
>utility is called and where I might FTP it?

Unless you read the Elm patch files very carefully, you might have
missed it.  Patches 7/8 introduced some enhancements to Elm printing,
and you might find those changes helpful.

In a nutshell, Elm used to insist that your printing command contain
a "%s" somewhere in it, e.g. "cat %s | lp".  It would dump your mail
message into a temporary file, replace the "%s" in your command string
with the name of the temporary file, and run the command.

Starting at PL8, if you omit the "%s" from the command string a new
behavior is triggered.  In that mode, Elm will dump the mail message
right into the printing command rather than screwing around with
temporary files.  This means, for example, your print command can now
be simply "lp".

Further, in this new mode the output of the print command is left
attached to your terminal.  The old mode for some silly reason threw
everything away.  This new mode means that you might be able to do
local printing with something as simple as:

	:
	# lplocal - pass-thru printing
	case "$TERM" in
	ansi*)	onstr="\033[5i" offstr="\033[4i" ;;
	vt*)	onstr="\033[5i" offstr="\033[4i" ;;
	wy*)	onstr="\033d#" offstr="\024" ;;
	*)	echo "$0: I do not understand your TERM type" 1>&2 ; exit 1 ;;
	esac
	/bin/echo "${onstr}\c"
	cat $@
	/bin/echo "${offstr}\c"

(Warning - the above is an extemporaneous, untested composition.)

If you have a "%s" in your print command, you get the old behaviour.
However, I'd strongly advise you to drop the "%s" and try out the new
feature.  It's more efficient, it let's you see what is going on, and
it allows stuff like pass-thru printing feasible without extensive
contortions.

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Unicom Systems Development   | it put my face in a permanent frown.
<chip@chinacat.Unicom.COM>   |   - Taj Mahal
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: patch07 problem
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:18:45 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

ce095@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeffrey Scott Traigle) writes:
>While trying to apply the patches to ELM 2.4, I ran into the following
>problem:

>Patch07 updates lib/posixsig.c from version 5.2 to 5.3. However,
>version 5.2 isn't created in a previous patch. (Version 5.1 is created
>in patch05, but patch06 doesn't touch it.)

>Any assistance would be appreciated.
You obviously picked up a beta copy of patch 5/6 before it was released
and never picked up a final one.  In the 'official final' p5/6
lib/posixsig.c was initially released at 5.2.

People who pick up the patches from dsinc.dsi.com or a mirror site
before they become official, you are on your own to pick up final
ones.  The final ones are those posted to the group.

Alpha/Beta patches say so in a 3 line warning at the top of the patch
(and a change in subject line in the more recent ones)
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: shuky@mot.com (Joshua Beinhorn)
Subject: ELM builtin messages display
Reply-To: shuky@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:36:21 GMT
Keywords: 
                                     

The builtin mechanism to display messages is very inconvient.
There is no way to scrol up a message, and no way to search
for a string (not to say a pattern) in a message.

These features are very desirable. Is there any intension
to implement them?

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: steve@nshore.org (Stephen J. Walick)
Subject: Re: elmrc file not updated with latest PL
Reply-To: steve@nshore.org (Stephen J. Walick)
Organization: Nshore Hacking and Salvage
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 12:37:58 GMT
Followup-To: comp.mail.elm

As quoted from <1992Nov20.020309.11359@ncselxsi.uucp> by fisher@ncselxsi.uucp (Chuck Fisher):

+---------------
| I maintain ELM on two systems: a SPARCstation 1+ running SunOS 4.1.1
| and an Elxsi 6400 running 4.3BSD.  I noticed that on the Sun that the
| elmrc file specifically says PL11, whereas the Elxsi has not been
| updated.  Does anyone have a clue as to why that might be?  No error
| messages pop during installation or use.  I think that this has been
| happening for sometime as the elmrc file was not updated even when I
| went from 2.3 PL11 to 2.4.  Apparently the Sun does things correctly.
+---------------

Did you remember to select 'o)ptions' at the Main Elm Menu, to select
'>' to save (changes), though no changes may have been made, and to then
return to the Main Elm Menu?  It's always worked for me, even with Elm2.4,
PL11.

-- 

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: SunOS 4.1, a USG system????
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 02:31:37 GMT

robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson) writes:

>After applying patches up to & including 11, I ran Configure. Configure
>subsequently told me:
>	Hmm...  Looks like SunOs 4.1, a USG system, but we'll see...

>And indeed, Configure came to the conclusion that SunOS 4.1 was a USG
>(System V) system and did *not* define BSD in config.h. It also gave me the
>non-Berkeley format for full names in /etc/passwd as the default when
>querying me.

This is correct, and in fact fixes a bug in Configure that wasn't
uncovered until recently.  Elm 2.4 patchlevel 11 compiles and builds
fine under this system.
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