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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:38:05 -0500
From:         "Joseph D. McMahon" <xrjdm@CALVIN.GSFC.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      Challenges
Comments: To: Electronic Music Discussion List <emusic-l@auvm.american.edu>

Here's some sounds to throw out for discussion:

 - Trumpet with harmon mute. Extra points if you can do it with
   both the stick in and out. Don't know the sound? Pick up Miles
   Davis doing "Round Midnight". Such a beautiful thing, both as a
   solo instrument and in nice, fat chords. The mute is a metal cylinder
   with a bell-shaped top, and an inverted bell on the bottom into
   which a short tube attached to a 2" funnel. The chamber is obviously
   resonant, and this resonance is most likely at non-integer frequency
   relations. The sound is a haunting, ghostly thing, hollow and
   buzzy in the low registers, thick and metallic in the middle,
   and silvery, harsh, and penetrating in the upper registers.
   Once you've heard it, it's not easy to forget.

 - Tympani (NOT sampled). I've come close with drastically-downshifted
   inharmonic sounds, but the overtone series shifts in non-obvious
   ways as the sound becomes higher. Most of my effort sound good over
   the range of about a 5th or so, and then gyutosmurf into interesting,
   but non-tympani sounds.

Any others people have found challenging? Does anyone know if IRCAM or
someone similar has studied the makeup of the harmon-muted trumpet tone?
Seems like there would be a lot of useful stuff to be learned there.

 --- Joe M.
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:39:00 LCL
From:         Peter Dorsch <UI1T@DKAUNI2.BITNET>
Subject:      ART SGE mach II SysEx Spec

Hallo
Can someone tell me where I could get the SysEx Specification
for the ART SGE machII.(or send it in a mail)
                                             Thanks  Peter
        Please send the mail to    ui1t@dkauni2.bitnet
                             or:   ui1t@ibm3090.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:07:57 GMT
From:         MFMAPWN@FS1.ART.MANCHESTER.AC.UK
Subject:      Yamaha V50?
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Hello,

    Does anyone out there know of any MIDI software compatible with
the Yamaha V50? Does anyone out there even know that this keyboard
exists? I'd appreciate any response.

Thanks,

Barney Nuon

University of Manchester, U.K.:

       MFMAPWN@fs1.art.man.ac.uk
or:    nuon@nessie.mcc.ac.uk

Lafayette College, U.S.A.:

       nuonb@lafcol.lafayette.edu
or:    nuonw@lafvax.lafayette.edu
or:    NW40@LAFAYACS.BITNET
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:59:02 AST
From:         Alan Edwards <aedwards@JUPITER.CSD.UNB.CA>
Subject:      Re: (gyutosmurfin')

> "Gyutosmurfing" is the Team-Metlayism [...] coined by Joe. It has a
> certain panache to it, but I don't think it'll sweep the industry. |->
>
I will certainly do my part to promote it's use. Where is that list of
syntho-terms ?  Oh ya...must have been on rec.music.random.name.change...

> > [...] so they cheated and wheeled a couple of tymps that were
> >sitting in the next room in and recorded them.
>
> BOO! HISS! CHEATERS! BOOOOOOOO! My faith in Wendy Carlos is shot. |-P
>
Actually, (not wanting to start anything here...) it was Walter that
did the cheating :-)

I am interested in synthesizing this sound, since the piece I am opening
my next concert with is going to be that Sinfonia...starting with the very
best imitative sounds that I have, and gradually changing throughout until
at the end it sounds just like S.O.B.. My tribute to the 20th anniversary.

The best I have been able to do so far is pitch-shifting the Proteus
tymp down a couple of octaves...I guess gyutosmurfing it...this gets
pretty darn close to the S.O.B sound, but I would be happier creating
it from scratch...

Alan

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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:36:29 EST
From:         The Radio Gnome <V2002A@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Racks
              21 Nov 1992 16:18:14 +0000 from <cassiel@CASSIEL.DEMON.CO.UK>

Hi,

     I've been using an 8 space SKB molded rack for several months now
and am very satisfied.  Its strength/weight ratio is fantastic.  The snap
in 10-32 nuts are much better than dedicated tapped rails (snap ins have
been standard on computing equipment racks for years).
     I have two minor reservations, though.  1st is the use of aluminum
rather than steel for the rails.  2nd is the tendency of the thin
polypropylene shell to resonate at bass frequencies.  I wrote to SKB and
pointed out that their racks did exhibit this acoustic behaviour, still
haven't gotten any response.

                                Andy Wing
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 09:52:00 +0800
From:         H8710244@HKUCC.HKU.HK
Subject:      Re: Roland JV-80 Suggestions wanted...
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What will you recommend if I want to buy a keyboard of about $1,000?
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:26:30 CST
From:         Al Vigland <vigland@ASIA1.MDC.COM>
Subject:      Editor/Librarians
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I ran across an ad for OPCODE's Galaxy Plus Editors software for the
Mac in this months Keyboard magazine.  Has anybody had any experience
with this product?  Is it only intended for high-end studio use (it
sounds expensive)?  And lastly, are there any competing products
available to the starving musician?

-- Al                                          vigland@asia1.mdc.com
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Date:         Mon, 23 Nov 1992 13:03:47 CST
From:         Al Vigland <vigland@ASIA1.MDC.COM>
Subject:      Re: ART SGE mach II SysEx Spec
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Peter,

I just recently acquired the SysEx spec for the SGX-2000 (and that
family) from ART.  You can call customer service (ask for Lisa) at
(716) 436-2720.  If that is too inconvenient, send e-mail to
jpass@rochgto.fidonet.org.  He wrote the spec for the SGX series
devices and could get you the information on the SGE mach II, I'm
sure.

I am thinking about writing a Windows-based patch editor for the
SGX-2000. If you don't mind my asking, what are you up to?

Al Vigland                                             vigland@asia1.mdc.com
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:52:42 +0000
From:         Nick Rothwell <cassiel@CASSIEL.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Fostex MIDI mixer (Re: Spec question)
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>I had thought long about the Mark of the Unicorn Mixer 7s, but the
>audio quality stopped me.

I had a big fright with the Simmons SPM8:2 (a truly shitty piece of
hardware) and don't wish to repeat it.

The main drawbacks of the Fostex as far as I can see at present are the
rather naive EQ and shortage of FX sends.

>Trouble is, the published 78 db signal
>to noise spec of the DCM100 probably won't cut it.

Hmm. 78dB isn't that impressive, is it? Is that a constant noise floor or
something cumulative with all channels open? If the latter, then (MIDI)
muting and the like might get round it.

>32 channels
>of Mackie 1604 + MixerMixer and 2 OTTO-1604 automation is more like
>$3000+ and 14 rackspaces.

And you don't get full automation either.

>But can a 12 db S/N difference on paper translate to
>acceptably quiet for recording?

The big question. I'm aiming to do a lot of live work in dance/theatre
where it's a constant battle against lighting thyristors anyway; I'm not
intending to do huge amounts of "studio" recording. I'll certainly listen
out for the hiss though.

Nick.
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From: 881571s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Arnold Spence)
Subject: Wanted> Tubular bells for sound blaster
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 03:00:31 GMT

I don't know if this is the proper group for this request but any help at
all would be appreciated. I am looking for a music file of TUBULAR BELLS
for the sound blaster. If you know where such a thing can be found please
email me at arnold.spence@dragon.acadiau.ca
- Thanks
From: metlay@NETCOM.COM (metlay)
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Subject: Re: Challenges
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:18:41 GMT
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>metlay writes:
>>
>> Tympani are one of my few real victories in programming the Xpander,
>> I have a patch that has about a one-octave usable range and sounds GREAT
>> in orchestral use.
>>
>Details, man, details! What's the basic technique? :-)

If people are interested (I'll assume they are, after all this IS me
talking |-> ), I'll write up a detailed description of the patch
and post it. But not right now, I have a sick detector to rescue.

--
dr. michael metlay       | and she's a master of return hitting
atomic city              | giving rhythm to her posts
p. o. box 81175          | so you read her and think hey it sounds good
pittsburgh pa 15217-0675 | and wish her posts had a soundtrack too
metlay@netcom.com        |                               (f. ercolessi)
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        Can someone please tell me where I could find a place that
personalizes guitar picks.
                    Thanks,
                       Carly
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:28:26 CST
From:         Michael King <mike@REX.CS.TULANE.EDU>
Subject:      Subscribe
              17, 92 10:35 am

Please subscribe me to the emusic-l list.


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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:41:54 CST
From:         Galen Tillery <RGTILLER@SAMFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Roland JV-80 Suggestions wanted...

I recently visited a local music shop where I saw the Roland JV-80.  From
all indications, it seems to be a very good product.  I was also pleased
with its price (around $1600) and the number of sounds/samplings.

Has anyone on the list had experience with the JV-80?

I will be connecting it with MIDI through a 486-33 running Cakewalk,
Band-in-a-box, etc.  Also, is it possible to do any voice syhthesis through
the Roland?

I would prefer to keep my costs below $2000.  Would the Roland be the best
buy?  Any reply would be appreciated.

Galen.
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Just send a mail only with the command:

         SUBSCRIBE EMUSIC-L your name here

to the address LISTSERV@AUVM and the machine will automatically put you
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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:30:48 -0500
From:         Dana Nibby <D_NIBBY@UNHH.UNH.EDU>
Subject:      for sale: boss dr-660
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***************** FOR SALE ***********************

B o s s (made by Roland) D R - 6 6 0   D R U M  M A C H I N E

* 255 16-bit samples. Great for TECHNO, Jazz, rock, rap, etc.
  Has the complete samples from the TR-808 and TR-909 drum
  machines!!!!

* 7 pre-programmed drum kits. Space for creating an additional
     32 kits of your own!

* Has 16 velocity sensitive pads. Hit one button and you have 16
  more pads to use. Each drum kit consists of 32 samples!

* Has 100 preset rhythms w/room for an extra 150 rhythms

* Stack sounds

* Has its own effects built in: reverb, chorus, delay, flange

* MIDI in/out. Two stereo outputs (L&R) plus two more 1/4 jacks
  to send individual samples to (for better EQ in the studio)
  . Also has headphone jack. (1/8)

* Stores 100 songs. You can chain songs together to be played
  in whatever sequence you want. (good for live use)

* Stereo panning of each sample, pitch, decay, level, mono/poly


$340 plus shipping. (shipping is approx. $6 in the U.S.A.)

**** Less than 2 months old! In brand-new condition.
I'm selling it to pay the bills.

   Dana

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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 12:33:41 EST
From:         eric <HARNDEN@AMERICAN.EDU>
Subject:      juno 106 again
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lordy, don't you people ever change your subject headers?

anyway... i just came across nick's answer to a post i don't think i
saw. something about that juno 106 sysex spec again.
it's true that it was never published by roland in the 'public'
domain, but it's also true that alot of manufacturers used to do that,
even though it was severely contrary to the MIDI Manufacturer's
agreement... presumably because everyone had dreams of producing
their own proprietary editing software. they discovered later, of course, that
it was sometimes the case that the ready availability of such software that
sodl the machines, not the other way around... strike a blow for laissez-
faire. anyway, now everyone publishes the spec pretty much out of hand.
but i remember having to sign a nondisclosure agreement with akai at one
time, just so i could do a little computer programming of one of their
blasted instruments.
but to get to the point... the sysex for the 106 is available. just
a couple of weeks ago i pulled it out of DeFuria/Scacciaferro's
System Exclusive Book and typed a quicky version of it here. i don't
have it online, and i'm not going to type it again. check the archives
for the past month.

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Date:         Tue, 17 Nov 1992 10:46:09 PST
From:         metlay <metlay@NETCOM.COM>
Subject:      Re: bubbles
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              17, 92 12:58 pm

Eric Harnden throws down the gauntlet in his own inimitable style:

>i got a little tired of strictly gearhead jabber, so i thought i'd
>blather a little bit on recent programming stuff... of which i,
>for one, would certainly like to see more on this list. i'm not
>a plug-it-in-and-jam-on-it kinda guy. i wanna tweak. you wanna tweak?

He goes on at some length about one of the best training methods one
can follow, namely porting timbres to different machines, then sez:

> the oberheim matrix 6, now... that was another story. i have often been
>impressed with its control flexibility (if not its sound), but seem to have
>found an odd limitation, here. the digital control values that you see when
>you perform an edit on the instrument actually represent the full range of
>operation of the parameter being edited. so, when i begin by setting the
>dco's offset as low as it will go... that's as low as it will go. the
>application of another control voltage (like from an inverted envelope)
>has no effect. it does in fact go subaudio, but only on a small portion
>of the lower end of the keyboard, so it's pretty limited. now, noting
>that it does respond to that keyboard control, i haven't tried sending
>it a transposed-down keyon to see if it will track even lower... but
>i bet it won't.

This is interesting, and points up something about the Matrix-6 of
which I wasn't previously aware. I'm going to have to take this patch
description home with me (or borrow my songwriting partner's JX8P |-> )
and see if the same sort of limitations apply to the Xpander.

I would guess not, as there are some fairly subtle and arcane ways to
force the architecture to do all sorts of interesting things (e.g. the
infamous Guttenplan Kazoombah Method), assuming that the VCOs don't go
low enough, but I bet they do. And they're real VCOs, so you can
offset them like mad. Still, the Xpander does have some amazingly annoying
limitations considering its power, and this may be one of them.

Of course, doing it on the Prophet VS will be a bit more of a challenge
(and in fact may be impossible, I don't think the oscillators can be
driven subaudio at all), and the U-50 will be nontrivial if I don't
cheat and use a "bubbles" sample. |-> Although four-octave pitch bends
have their uses....

--
dr. michael metlay       | and she's a master of return hitting
atomic city              | giving rhythm to her posts
p. o. box 81175          | so you read her and think hey it sounds good
pittsburgh pa 15217-0675 | and wish her posts had a soundtrack too
metlay@netcom.com        |                               (f. ercolessi)
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From:         Bernadette C Himaras <bch@WARM.SEMCOR.COM>
Subject:      midi files
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Hi

I am developing some children's games for the PC.  I have an ATI
Stero/FX sound card (Sound Blaster compatible).  I am incorporating
background music and am looking for a source of midi files.  Can
anyone recommend a source of midi files?  Thanks.
--
Bernadette Himaras
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Original-From: alux1!wbf (William Fox)
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:22:04 EST
From:         wbf@ALUX1.ATT.COM

Subject: PAiA

Eric Harnden (Ronin) wrote:
> 3) which reminds me... i got the paia midi/cv convertor and i like it.
>    let me know if you want to hear more.

Yes, please do.  Also, if you can supply an address or phone number so I
can get a catalog.

Bill
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From:         Nick Rothwell <cassiel@CASSIEL.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject:      Re: Challenges
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>Any others people have found challenging?

Something I came across by accident: Make a D-50 sound like a pitch-shifter.

I'm still trying to synthesise the opening drum hits from Blade Runner.
Sure it needs a well-programmed reverb, but there's something about the
timbre of the drums that's eluded me so far.


                      Nick Rothwell  |  cassiel@cassiel.demon.co.uk
   CASSIEL Contemporary Music/Dance  |  cassiel@cix.compulink.co.uk
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:26:11 AST
From:         Alan Edwards <aedwards@JUPITER.CSD.UNB.CA>
Subject:      Re: tweakin' 2

Eric Harnden (Ronin) writes:
> let's see... wanna get a coupla things outa the way first, here...
> 1) alan edwards: fix your mailer. i keep getting your signature file
>    as a separate post. does anyone else get this, or is it just me?
>
sorry. I didn't realize this. Don't know how to fix it, so I will just
try to get rid of it.

alan
(let me know if this works)

ps. interesting patch suggestion. Will have to try it on the uWave...
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From:         cgra@BTMA74.DNET
Subject:      Re: Spec question
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On 14-NOV, "Nick" wrote:
>>Buy your own ST/TT, it is the number one MIDI-computer. And get Cubase
>>to be your MIDI-tool, there is no better, it beats ANY program for ANY
>>computer on this planet...
>
>I'm impressed. I finally downloaded my 3 weeks' mail backlog and came
>across this message *and no follow-up*. Admirable self-restraint, people.

Why the surprise? No sense in arguing with the incontrovertible...

        Chris
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:30:29 CDT
From:         "I (Throop,Henry B)" <THROOP@GRIN1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Challenges

Regarding the timpani scandal, I remember Wendy mentioned something about
synthesizing timpani at the end of Secrets of Synthesis.  I don't have it
here, but you might want to check it out to restore your faith.

-Henry
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