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From: alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler)
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods 
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:25:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.223518.7534@apex.com> chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington) writes:

>True.  But was the crime associated with prohibition ever as extensive?

   Yes, the crime during prohibition was as extensive.  Just that the
war on drugs have been more intensive and gone on longer enough that
drugs now support a billion dollar industry instead of one in the
millions of dollars.  But prohibition had all the same problems.  Illegal
alcohol supplied private armies with automatic weapons, there were huge
problems with gangs in the inner cities, drive by shootings were commonplace.

>Actually I am somewhat in favor with the elimination of drug laws.
>But only if ALL drug laws go as well as ALL publically funded support systems
>for the chemically dependent.  Anyone who wishes to use drugs, including
>alcohol is welcome to, but don't force others to pay for it.

   Would you support the tax money from drugs (public money but paid for
by the drug users themselves) going for treatment programs?  Legalizing
drugs would not only save this country in hundreds of millions of dollars
in public money now being spent on the War on Drugs (my money -yours as
well is being spent in such a way as to increase crime and violence), but
would gain millions of dollars in additional tax revenue.

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From: waymire@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Richard Waymire)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Results of I 590
Date: 20 Jul 92 17:40:19 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing


OK, interesting reading (a rehash of T.P.G, but oh well).  But I have a Seattle
question... What do you guys think about the upcoming Seattle policy of paying
$50 for any gun turned into the police?  I have changed radio stations because
they were donating to this cause (KUBE) (I'm getting too old for it anyway),
and I understand Puget Power is donating to this as well.  I called the radio
station when they announced their support, and brought up the following points,
but Mr. Charles Brown just talked louder and didn't address any of the points.

1.  Paying people to turn in guns will get you only guns that won't sell for
    more on the street.

2.  This action promotes burglary, as there is now a *government* sponsored
    fencing operation... No more back alley stuff here, the government of
    the city pays for your criminal activity.

3.  The people with stolen guns are being given IMMUNITY from prosecution for
    illegal posession of a weapon.  The program is targeted at "children",
    for whom having a gun is illegal anyway.

4.  It asked children (see #3) to commit crimes (i.e. carry concealed weapon,
    acquire concealed weapon) with the understanding that it is OK.

5.  It doesn't address a single social issue as to why people are killing 
    each other, regardless of the weapon of choice.

As you may have guessed, I'm against my tax dollars (or corporate tax dollars,
in the case of puget power) being used to directly support this program...
I think the city of Seattle will be committing several crimes, including
knowingly receiving stolen property, and overlooking the crimes of people, as
well as possibly promoting crime.

What does the network world think?

Rich

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From: zander@sumax.seattleu.edu (Carol Zander)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: want recommendations for roofing contractors
Date: 22 Jul 92 00:00:39 GMT
Organization: Seattle University, Seattle WA

In article <2791@voodoo.UUCP> garye@voodoo.boeing.com (Gary Eng) writes:
>I need to tear off the old roof on my house and replace it. ...
>
>Any recommendations or disrecommendations?
>

This is a strong recommendation against Associated Roofing.  Before
I say all the bad things, there is one good thing -- they are 
relatively cheap.  And my roof appears to be working (not leaking).

But, if you like professionalism, then these are the wrong people.
We (myself, the buyer, and the owners) needed to get the roof on
so that the house deal could close.  The roofers told us week 
after week that they would definitely start on a certain day,
but they never showed up.  Then when they finally showed up,
they got it 2/3 done (plywood and paper, no shingles) and
disappeared.  This was 2 days before the July 4th weekend and the
house lived with no completed roof during all this time.  
If you recall, this was the weekend of lots of rain.

The roof is now done, but the bill says they installed 6 vents,
and there are only 4.  One part has no vents installed at all.
So I'm playing the ... I'll (roofer) be over this day, but no one
shows up that day ... game again.

Hope you have better luck with a roof than I.  The positive side
of this is that the ex-owners and myself are good friends.

Carol
From: wood@eisley.akita.com (Ken Wood)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Summary: Lets make a deal.
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods 
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 01:47:32 PDT
Organization: Mos Eisley Spaceport BBS

kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:

> Are you willing to trade me the right to ingest, trade, synthesize, cultivate
> broker, sell, import, export, buy, invest, breed, optimize, and/or explore
> drugs of all sorts in return for the right to do the same (pick appropriate
> legal-sounding laundry list) with firearms?

     I'll take this offer but only if you throw in a complete removal of 
forfeiture and the RICO laws.  So how about it?

     Ken Wood



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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: strong@tc.fluke.COM (Norm Strong)
Subject: Re: You can dogfight in the skies!
Keywords: dogfight wwII expensive recreation fun 
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:02:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.091217.18595@u.washington.edu> mtakacs@milton.u.washington.edu (Tak) writes:
}That's right!
}
}   I caught the end of a Seattle Tonight show (or some such) last
}night, (Wed) and they showed some footage of the two hosts flying what looked,
}at least to my untrained eye, like WWII airplanes.  Evidently there is 
}a group in town for about three weeks that will take people up and 
}let them "dogfight" in the air, with the customer having complete
}control over the plane and the co-pilots staying out of the picture 
}unless needed.  I did catch the phone number they flashed, I think 
}it was 448-3845 for more information.  (I hope... ) The cost for this 
}experience: $600 for 6 dogfights.

They may look like WWII fighters, but they aren't.  If they were, it
would cost $600 just for the gas to fuel them for 6 simulated dogfights!


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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: merrillg@polari.online.com
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Organization: Seattle Online Public Access Unix.  (206) 328-4944 (all lines telebit-equipped)
Distribution: seattle
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:40:11 GMT

Much has been discussed about the "good guys" vs. the "bad guys" having
weapons and gun control.  As a non-gun owner, and someone who generally
tries to avoid politics,(I try to keep sanitary) I find the vehement attitude
of the NRA against any sort of gun control to be very short sighted.  

- I am for the _privelage_ to own a lethal weapon of the sort called a handgun

-I am not for the ability of any bozo to go out and get one.

I have spent several years fencing, and while this is not considered a lethal,
or dangerous (at least IMHO) it has given me a definate perspective on the
training needed when _any_ sort of weapon is bandied about.  A foil in the hands
of a novice is much more dangerous than an experience person; we get more injuries from two novices hacking away than two expereinced people.  

(rambling mode off)

My point is that a handgun, or rifle is an incredibly powerful, and deadly 
device.  It needs to be given respect.  Since there is no training time
whatsoever on a handgun for most people (point and pull) I have been scared
shitless when friends of mine (including a police officer) bandied about 
like it was a toy.  THESE THINGS KILL!  

We need a drivers license to drive a car, but any citizen can go out and
purchase a gun.  Does this make sense?   

I will be the first to support legislation for background checks, and taking
some form of test to prove competancy.  

I will also be the first to stand up and oppose a law forbidding an average
citizen from obtaining a weapon after he/she has expressed his/her competancy
with the weapon.

Theres a lot of area between these two statements, but the NRA globs them together as
opinions against the rights of gunowners everywhere...

My little ramblings...

Greg

a handgun like it was a popsicle, pointing this way and that
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: davidb@zeus.ce.washington.edu (David W. Barts)
Subject: Re: Government grants privileges? (was: Re: DWI)
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 04:52:08 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.192440.1805@eskimo.celestial.com>, kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
> Another thought-provoker:  I have heard some women say that if men could
> menstruate, it would be a sacrament, and that pregnancy and abortion would
> be merely two distinct outcomes, both equally acceptable, of the same sacred
> rite.

The one I've seen goes "If men got pregnant, abortion would be a
sacrament." I saw it (along with other sayings) on a coffee mug... a
coffee mug belonging to a Catholic nun.

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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: alpinist@eskimo.celestial.com (David Butler)
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods 
Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:12:57 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.160346.29763@apex.com> chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington) writes:

>Do you really believe that the people making the huge profits selling illegal
>drugs will just go away?  If the government is selling legal drugs
>I would expect the gangs to sell something "better".  You don't want that
>govt shit, this stuffs a lot better.

    You can't be serious!  If drugs were sold legally (I envision stores
similar to the Washington state liquor stores) those buying would know
they could get clean stuff from the Govt. and the Govt. would be able to
equal or even undercut illegal prices.  The illegal drug trade would
totally dry up.
    Look at alcohol.  Sure there are still people making moonshine but
how much is available and how many people would buy it?  During
prohibition it financed gangs, with the associated gang violence and
drive by shootings, made poor people rich quick, and was produced in
quantities making it an industry in the hundreds of millions of
dollars.  Now it is hard to make a living off of moonshine and few 
people are foolish enough to risk the penalties in producing it.

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From: jarzabek@bcsaic.boeing.com (Simone Jarzabek)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: 2 BD Condo For Rent ... Available 9/1
Date: 22 Jul 92 02:48:58 GMT
Distribution: pnw
Organization: Boeing Computer Services AI Center, Seattle

2 BD Condo For Rent ... Available 9/1

Nice 2 Bedroom, 1 3/4 Bath unit in nice quiet complex in Fairwood area (east 
of Renton) on bus line.  The complex has a pool, cabana and new sports court 
(tennis, basketball, etc.)

Kitchen has full appliances including dishwasher and disposal.  Separate 
laundry room with washer and dryer.  Cathedral ceiling living room with 
fireplace and balcony. Covered parking for one car with storage included; 
complex has two vehicle limit.

Small pet (< 25 lb) negotiable, pet deposit required.

$595 per month, available 9/1. Call 228-2013 or e-mail for more information.
From: robs@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert Sipe)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:57:59 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Jul21.220714.5347@u.washington.edu> fetrow@biostat.washington.edu (David Fetrow) writes:
>sirree. 
>
> ..and yes, I once had the happy task of cooling down a situation where an
>armed drunk guy was trying to break into his ex-wife's room. No fun but at
>least there was only one gun instead of two (didn't know about the gun when
>I got involved).
>
>
>-- 
> -dave					   fetrow@biostat.washington.edu

It was a good thing you were there to calm things down Dave.  If that woman
was unarmed she would no doubt have been at the very least intimadated or
at the very worst killed.  I bet she will be thinking seriously about arming
herself if her ex is still making threatening actions toward her.  Now,
if she shot and killed her ex in self defence would that be considered
domestic violence??




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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: dcb@kopachuk.uucp (David Breneman)
Subject: Re: Must See's in Seattle, Where?
Keywords: touring
Organization: Tacoma Screw Products, Inc.
Distribution: pnw
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:18:38 GMT

In article <2855@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
>In article <2843@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
>>
>>Mount Rainier:  a visit to Paradise.  Can easily be done in a day, and there
>>a paved (argh) trails for easy walks from the Paradise Lodge.
>         ^^^^^
>It has been pointed out to me that there are legitimate reasons for having
>paved trails (such as for people in wheelchairs and others who are not
>physically able to negotiate unpaved trails) so I hereby retract my
>'argh' and apologize to anyone who I may have offended.
>
It also allows people who are not fortunate enough to have an ATV
to use their golf carts and fork lifts instead.   :-)

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From: jdt@voodoo.boeing.com (Jim Tomlinson)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: another difference between Switzerland and the US
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:04:36 GMT
Reply-To: jdt@voodoo.boeing.com
Distribution: seattle
Organization: BoGART To You, Buddy

In article <1992Jul20.022304.26041@polari>, jsanchez@polari.online.com writes:
|>                                           ......The Swiss, for all their
|> other admirable traits, do NOT allow people to emmigrate or even establish
|> residence there.  All of the people I worked with in Basil and Zurich were
|> Germans who commuted across the border every day.  They were not allowed
|> to live in Switzerland.....

Hmmmm, they must have a special dispensation for violinists: a friend
from high school (US citizen) lives and works there as a professional
musician.  As a sidebar to the Swiss chocolate thread: he informs me
that Swiss salsa is awful (the sauce; not sure about the music). :^)
-- 
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         "Airplanes are cool." - the man on the street in Seattle
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington)
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods
Organization: Apex Computer Company
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:04:21 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.060644.846@u.washington.edu> davidb@zeus.ce.washington.edu (David W. Barts) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.223518.7534@apex.com>, chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington) writes:
>> Actually I am somewhat in favor with the elimination of drug laws.
>> But only if ALL drug laws go as well as ALL publically funded support systems
>> for the chemically dependent.  Anyone who wishes to use drugs, including
>> alcohol is welcome to, but don't force others to pay for it.
>
>Don't be silly.  In that case, drug users would simply continue to
>steal to pay for their habit.  They'd eventually end up in prison for
>stealing, and the costs of keeping them locked up in prison (and
>processing them through the legal system) would be greater than the
>costs of the publicly-financed programs that would keep them out of
>prison.

Don't be silly.  If the use of legal/illegal drugs makes it impossible for the
user to be self supporting, why should I be asked to support him.

The government should spend my money making cheap drugs available and
they more of my money to support the non-productive members of society
who choose to use the drugs.  Not if I can help it.

All I ask is that the voluntary users of the drugs accept the responsibility
for the costs.  If you want support systems,  pay for them with taxes
on the drugs.
Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
Subject: Re: Travelling armed
Organization: SEANEWS - Seattle Public Access News & Mail
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:19:17 GMT
Keywords: Guns laws crime murder waiting periods 

In article <1992Jul27.160346.29763@apex.com> chuckh@apex.com (Chuck Huffington) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.043429.15821@eskimo.celestial.com> kurt@eskimo.celestial.com (Kurt Cockrum) writes:
>>OK, WODDers, what's wrong with these arguments?  Why must our freedoms,
>>lives and livelihoods continue to be sacrificed for your insane desire
>>to keep people from being high or from partaking of pleasure in other ways?
>>
>>You get rid of the elements of crime and high-stakes risk associated with
>>drugs and a *lot* of problems go away.  Sure, a few people will ingest
>>drugs and then go and operate heavy machinery, just like they do right now.
>>There might be even a temporary overshoot in the accident rate.  That would
>>*still* be less than the ongoing murder rate with drugs illegal.  You also
>>free up the resources tied up in *nonproductive* enterprises like jails and
>>associated jobs (which otherwise create a vested interest in drugs remaining
>>illegal, but contribute nothing else to economic productivity) to be used
>>hopefully to aid economic recovery.  Moreover, some of those drugs (hemp,
>>in particular) are generally useful plants, with a wide variety of desirable
>>properties and by-products.
>
>Do you really believe that the people making the huge profits selling illegal
>drugs will just go away?  If the government is selling legal drugs
>I would expect the gangs to sell something "better".  You don't want that
>govt shit, this stuffs a lot better.

Kind of an interesting perspective.  When was the last time Seagrams and
Miller Brewing Company had a shootout?

Not a lot of rum-running prohibition gangs running around today, eh?

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Newsgroups: seattle.general
From: klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross)
Subject: Looking for Raiders' fans
Summary: Looking for Raiders' fans
Keywords: Raiders NFL Satellite
Reply-To: klg@statsci.com (Kevin L. Gross)
Organization: Statistical Sciences, Inc
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:18:10 GMT


Hi,,

I'm looking for Los Angeles Raiders fans. While this may not be the best
venue for such a search, I'll risk the flames ;-).

Every year, we who only have cable get to watch maybe 5 or 6 Raiders
games out of 14, and since I'm unable to purchase a $2500 satellite setup
just to catch the other 7 or 8 games, I thought I'd look for other fans
that have a satellite setup they'd be willing to let a complete and
total stranger come over and watch in exchange for helping them scream
"Go Raiders" during the games. I'll even bring over chips, salsa and beer.

I'm a non-smoker and I've been a Raiders fan since George Blanda was the
quarterback. I'd certainly be willing to host my share of the cable-TV
games in exchange for not having to listen to the Raiders on the radio
while watching the Seahawks lose. 

(Tom Flores - gee, that name is familiar)

Give me a call or send me email if you want to get together with other
fans and root for the Raiders in 92.

-Kevin

Days)283-8802x246
Eves)744-0845
email)klg@statsci.com

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Newsgroups: uw.general,seattle.general,pnw.general
From: drinkard@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Terrell D. Drinkard)
Newsgroups: seattle.general
Subject: Re: Information about buying a house
Date: 25 Jul 92 15:28:18 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <1992Jul24.063001.22927@beaver.cs.washington.edu> leveson@cs.washington.edu (Nancy Leveson) writes:
>Does anyone have any recommendations for a buyer's real estate agent
>in Seattle (around the university area)?
>
>Thanks in advance, Nancy Leveson

I hope that I am interpreting this correctly and that you are looking for
someone who will act as a buyer's agent.  If so, then I can recommend a man
named Elf Evans who works out of a Century 21 office in Lynnwood.  The
phone number there is 775-8525.  He is really wonderful to work with, has
tremendous personal integrity, and teaches T'ai Chi on the side.

-- 
Terry
drinkard@bcstec.boeing.com
"Anyone who thinks they can hold the company responsible for what I say has
more lawyers than sense."
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