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From: petcher@ds10.scri.fsu.edu (Don Petcher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: TOS 2.06 for the MegaSTe
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:32:38 GMT
Reply-To: petcher@wuphys.wustl.edu (Donald N. Petcher)
Organization: Department of Physics, Washington University

In article <1992Apr10.204832.28386@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover) writes:
>
>What you want to do if you don't have a Mega STE and want a 
>high density disk drive, is to contact Paul Wu of Omnimon
>Peripherals (I think that's the name).  He makes a high density
>upgrade kit for all ST's.  It's $200, and includes the disk
>drive and a board that plugs into the current disk controller
>socket (the WD1772).  Then you have to solder I think one or two
>wires somewhere, and you're set.  There's a software patch included
>to make it work with older TOS's, but if you get Codehead's TEC
>board, that won't be a problem.
> 

Does the upgrade include TOS 2.06 (sounds from what you say that it is 
not included).  If not, it is a little pricey.  $200 + $140 for the 
codehead board.  Almost in the range of getting a cheap PC clone to use 
as a disk drive!

Does anyone have an address or phone number for Omnimon Peripherals?

Cheers,
Don Petcher                                  petcher@wuphys.wustl.edu
Department of Physics
Washington University
Saint Louis, Missouri

Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II)
Subject: Re: TOS 1.62 for sale
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 92 18:36:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr6.031730.14097@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover) writes:
>
>I'm afraid your TOS 1.62 ROMs will NOT work in any ST.  They are
>higher-capacity ROMs than the older 1.0, 1.2, and 1.4 versions.
>The older ones are 192K total capacity, and TOS 1.62 is 256K.
> 
	So, how does one go about determining which ST's will accomodate
TOS 1.62 and which will not?  I have a 1040 with TOS 1.2.  Can I use the
chips or not?

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From: adamd@rhi.hi.is (Adam David)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: : Kiwi attack on Atari/Falcon
Date: 5 Apr 92 22:47:59 GMT

In <1992Mar31.142031.1@neptune.kingston.ac.uk> bd_g710@neptune.kingston.ac.uk writes:

>Concerning the Real machine bit - why a Acorn Archemedes A5000. I have never
>heard of such a computer, the only Acorn I heard of was a little box like
>object like the Comm**ore 64 and loveable Spectrum 48. 

Strange, Acorn is manufactured in the UK, where it has a substantial market
share (though mainly in the education sector). That you have not heard of the
Archimedes goes to show that it is not only Atari that have abysmal marketing.
The Archimedes has been available from 1988 and the A5000 model from 1992. 

The A5000 spec is quite impressive, as is that of the Atari Falcon. These
machines have different strong points and different weaknesses, but they are
both modern systems and worth checking out.

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From: aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover)
Subject: Re: mega ste price
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 18:21:07 GMT


Mr. Sheppard, this is the last time I will respond to your flaming,
childish, demeaning statements.
 
First of all, all the programs I listed are still being supported,
perhaps with the exception of VIP Professional.  Flash II IS indeed
out, and has been for over two weeks.  If you read the BB on GEnie,
you'd know it.  STalker is about to be upgraded to version 3.02,
and NeoDesk 4.0 is in the works.  I'm on GEnie EVERY night, so I
know these things.  My facts are straight, and you are terribly
misinformed, or you are too arrogant to care.
 
You obviously don't have anything better to do than to harrass us,
and frankly, we're sick of it.  Go get your PC, sell your Atari,
or throw it out, as it seems that's what you'd like to do.  QUit
making these ludicrous, unfounded statements.
 
Stick that in your PC and smoke it.
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From: MDORMAN1@UA1VM.UA.EDU (Mike Dorman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: More about GCC 2.1...
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:30:24 GMT

Well, I got it, and I configured it, and I've gotten things to run and I've
gotten things to compile fine.  Wonderful work, guys.

Questions, though:

I had read, in some file, somewhere (with the MNTLIB19 dist, maybe?) that
the MiNT libraries weren't yet compatible.  Is this true?  Or do they just
need to be recompiled?

Second, in trying to port Less 1.77 (pretty easy) I found that the PL 72
libs (and MNTLIB 19, btw)  1) don't conform to either the BSD or SYS V
regexp function names (re_comp and regcmp--PL72 uses regcomp, I think) and,
2) when I tried to link all this together (after changing appropriate names in
the sources) I got an error, "regerror.o not found".

I got Less up and running without regex stuff, but I'd like to figure out
what's wrong and recompile.  Maybe this has all changed--I have the library
sources, now, so I can check myself.  Just wanted to know if someone else
knew anything.

Mike.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: rosenqui@ncs.dnd.ca (E. Rosenquist)
Subject: vttest (was Re: Networking software for ST)
Keywords: VT100 VTxxx test suite vttest
Organization: Software Kinetics Limited
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:47:31 GMT

In article <pm.702752039@fortec.tuwien.ac.at> pm@fortec.tuwien.ac.at (Peter Mayer) writes:
>    [stuff deleted]
>    and EDT on a VAX does like it too. It also passed the vttest program
>    from Per Lindberg with good results.

Does anyone know where I might be able to find a copy of this fabled
"vttest" program, or any other VTxxx test suite?

Eric Rosenquist
From: 7103_2622@uwovax.uwo.ca (Eric Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: MiNT 0.94 available
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:52:47 EST

MiNT 0.94 is now available for anonymous FTP from atari.archive.umich.edu.
Besides a lot of bug fixes (the infamous shift+cursor bug , 8
character file name bug, and MGR mouse bug are all history) this version
now supports advisory file locking on TOS files as well as on pipes.

Because of the bug fixes, I strongly recommend that you upgrade to this
version if you have 0.93. (And if you have 0.92, the new features make
the upgrade worthwhile too...)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cummins@a.cs.okstate.edu (CUMMINS JOHN WILLI)
Subject: Re: CD Roms
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 16:10:21 GMT

All our user group has is the entire CN collection (up to a point) on 2
CD's...  anyone else seen aAtari stuff on CD?

jc
From: rincewind@discworld.oche.sub.org (Michael Schwingen)
Reply-To: rincewind@discworld.oche.sub.org
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Overscan Mod
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 11:08:16 MEST
Organization: This is the Discworld, which travels through the space on the
	back of four elephants which themselves stand on the shell of Great
	A' Tuin, the sky turtle.

In <12545@umd5.umd.edu>, Alok Dhir writes:
>I've got a 1040STe, where can I find instructions do perform this
>modification (software switch OR hardware switch)?  Do games and stuff
>still work?
>
Sorry. All Overscan modifications (the old & cheap one and the commercial
Autoswitch OverScan) do not work in ST'E' due to the changed hardware.

cu
Michael
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From: chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: mega st...
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:56:21 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <1992Apr09.232133.69000@yuma.acns.colostate.edu> tesla@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Jon Nash) writes:
>Some recent posts have debated the speed of Intel platforms vs. Atari
>platforms.  In the past couple days I have run a couple bench mark 
>programs on both platforms, as well as 040/25 NeXT's.  On none of the
>tests did my 1040ST 8Mhz come close in integer or floating point math.
>The 386 machines were amazingly slow compaired to the 486/33 machine
>that I use in the lab.  The real interesting points came from compairing
>the 040/25 NeXT and the 486/33.  I compiled an integer math bench mark
>program with Borland C++ as a DOS application and compaired it to the
>same source compiled on the NeXT using their development software.  The
>DOS version and the NeXT version were very similar in speed with the NeXT
>winning (while running a Ether Net process in the background) by a _small_
>fraction of seconds.  To make it a little more fair I recompiled the 
>benchmark program on the 486 as a window's application.  In this case the
>NeXT was almost twice as fast and the 486 wasn't even multi-tasking!

Try running Mathematica and calculate Pi out to 11000 on your 486-33 and
your NeXT.  The 486-33 in the lab came with in 3 secounds behind the NeXT
040-25.  But the fact that the 486-33 is w/o a Weitek 4167($500.00).
Configurations for the 486-33, 40 megs of RAM, 130 HD, etc... NeXT, 16 Megs
or Ram (040-25) etc...
What was resulted from several people was a compilation of these cou
comparisons:
	040-40 vs. 486-66
	040-33 vs. 486-50
	040-25 vs. 486-33
	040-20 vs. 486-25
	030-50 vs. 486-33
	030-40 vs. 486-25
	030-33 vs. 486SX, 386-40
	030-25 vs. 386-25, 25SX, 33DX
	030-16 vs. 386-16SX, 386-20SX, 386-20DX

These were the results of many performance testing using different programs,
raytracing and math compilations...  NOTICE, the 486DX machines were without
the Weitek 4167 co-processor.
From: sigrorn@icemark.oche.de (B.E.Heinen)
Reply-To: sigrorn@icemark.oche.de
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Good software (Was: mega ste price
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:13:18 MET
	<1992Apr9.173956.7636@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
Organization: The Icemark

In <1992Apr12.195356.15468@watmath.waterloo.edu>, L. J. Dickey writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.173956.7636@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aq115@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert C Glover) writes:
>>
>The best advice I ever got about picking a machine is to select the
>software first, and then pick a machine that will run it.  I followed
>that when I bought my Atari ST, and have been pleased with it since.

And what machine would you buy if you selected:

	khoros     as Graphix package  (UN*X-box)
	DBase IV   as database package (MS-DOS)
	CyPress    as WordProcessor    (ST-TOS)
	
Hmm?         ;-)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:58:23 -0400 
From: Michael Paul Greelish <mg20+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Word Processors
	<1992Apr14.085854.6299@actrix.gen.nz>

Roger Sheppard writes:

>In article <12159@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> twright@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tom
Wright) >writes:
>> 
>>   I've been looking for a decent word processor for my ST.  Right now
I'm still
>> using (gasp!) ST-Writer and it's okay, but I'd like to get something
better.  
>> I'm a real fan of Microsoft Word for the Mac, so something similar would be 
>> nice.
>>   Features I would want are:  automatic footnoting, style sheets or
equivalent,
>> ability to import graphics and flow text, variety of font sizes and styles,
>> and Postscript-to-disk output.
>>   Note that I DON'T want a page-layout program, just a word
processor.  I read
>> a review of 1st Word Plus some time back and it seemed to have most of these
>> features.  Can anyone comment?  Plug your favorite program, here's
your chance.
>> 

>Well it looks like you had better start writing one, this is one
>Platform that the Atari lacks...

Au contraire. Try WordFlair II, the descendant of WordUp, which could do
a lot of this. I dunno about the PS to disk, but from what I've heard,
it does the rest, and may do this as well.

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From: oconnor@took.enet.dec.com (My name is Joe O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: RE: Gemulator
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:19:34 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


I just have to say it.

I want to buy a Gemulator....



To run PC-Ditto :-)

No flames intended.  I'm not anti-anything

Joe
From: shenson@csm.ac.uk (Stephen Henson, CSM)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Minix Filesystem Driver for MiNT Version 0.55
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:56:35 GMT

I've just uploaded the Minix filesystem driver and associated tools for MiNT
to atari.archive , version 0.55 . Not a great deal has changed since the last
version (0.541) except file locking code has been added, this feature requires
MiNT 0.94 at least to work. I've also documented the 'fscntl' calls which can
now be classed as 'official' . An explicit 'copying' file is included rather
than saying just 'copyright' as I did before , which might be misunderstood.
Binaries and sources are included in the archive (it should be in
atari/mint/mfs055.zoo).
	For those who aren't familiar with this package ,it is a complete
Unix like filesystem driver for Atari ST and can be used as an alternative to
the standard TOS filesystem. It has most of the features you would expect from
such a filesystem, such as hard links , symbolic links , standard Unix file
permissions, setuid/setgid, mixed case filenames (i.e. not 8+3 upper case only)
etc. Also included is an experimental 'long-filename' filesystem feature which
allows filenames longer than the standard 14 character limit. Unfortunately
certain gem programs don't like mixed case filenames not in 8+3 format so
a facility is offered to translate the mixed case stuff into an approximate
8+3 form for TOS, and only 'MiNT aware' programs can really make use of them
fully (like the GNU filetools in atari/mint).
	As might be guessed from its name it uses the same format as 'Minix'
and is very useful if you use Minix as it makes Minix partitions (if set up
correctly) behave similarly to TOS ones. It supports the new V2 filesystem
format too.
	A warning or two is in order, since the filesystem format is totally
incompatible with TOS all standard TOS filesystem repair utilities are useless.
So if you don't have the editing and repair utilities in Minix be prepared to
make backups ! Having said that I use two minix partitions on my hard drive
all the time and no release version has ever even damaged one, however I ,
I naturally can't guarantee no version ever will.
	For more details see the docs in the package itself. Please mail me
any questions/bugs or bugfixes at shenson@csm.ac.uk as I currently can't
read this newsgroup.
From: as666@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jonathan Roy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Galaxy CAD freeware for Atari STnex
Date: 12 Apr 92 18:39:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr12.183948.22906
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


I've emailed the author of Galaxy (at least the one mentioned in the press
release) and he said that the source code for the Atari ST version is available
if anyone is interested in obtaining it, and doing any work on it. The GEM
problem may be a result of his not having adequate GEM documentation, and being unable
to afford the Atari developers info (At that time there was no Tier 2 
system...) 

Perhaps someone would clean it up for the rest of us. (grin)

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From: m91der@tdb.uu.se (Daniel Eriksson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Overscan Mod
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:10:17 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.

adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir) writes:
: I've got a 1040STe, where can I find instructions do perform this
: modification (software switch OR hardware switch)?  Do games and stuff
: still work?

Sorry, but you can't do it on an STE. That's because you can't cut
the traces you need to cut to be able to feed the video-chip a
different 'border-signal' (DE - Display Enable). Everything to do
with the DE-signal is included in one chip (as far as I know at
least).

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From: komives@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Robert Komives)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Word Processors
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:48:00 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

I'm glad this thread has come up. I hope we can keep it going for a while.
It is obvious that we all have something to learn. Making the right 
choice is getting harder. There probably is no right choice now.

My two bits.

I am as confuse as others. I use Wordflair II as much as I can. But I revert
to Wordwriter and even STWriter, and Pagestream more than I would like. What's
great about Wordflair II:
	Spell Checker
	Integrated graphics and data/math.
	The floating data/math regions --You can make letter into Spreadsheet.
	FMSGDOS screen text and rewrites

What's terrible:
	Speed of printing to HPLaser (at least on my NEC2-90)
	Can't duplicate any of the neat graph/data setups --no templates
	One document at a time and no merging
	No tagging --Text regions powerful but painstaking 

What's not so good:
	User interface has some funny priorities to what's easier
	It still crashes or fails to load some documents at weird times
	Seems to hog memory
	No Postscript output.

Mine is a love -hate relationship.

Wordflair III will be great. 
Will there be a Wordflair III?

Again, I have much to learn from the rest of you. So I await more opinions.

Bob Komives
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: dinsmm@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Michael John Dinsmore)
Subject: Cocktail.lzh -> corrupted?
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:28:42 GMT

Hi there.   I had dl'ed cocktail.lzh from atari.archive.umich.edu
the other day.  When I had started to try to unLZH it, it gave me
a bunch of errors...  Anyone ever ues the program and did you have 
any problems unLZHing it? Thanks.


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From: jmb8302@csseq.cs.tamu.edu (Jeffrey M Bilger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: C for the ST
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:49:35 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University


 Has anyone had problems with using the malloc() with Laser C.
I typed in some simple code to use linked lists and when I try to access 
any of the nodes my ST bombs with a bus error. Here's the code:
 
 struct node 
  {
   int color;
   struct node *next;
  };
typedef struct node *next_ptr;

main()
 {
  next_ptr n;

  n = (next_ptr) malloc(sizeof(node));
  /* allocates a node, size of the structure, and type casts it to next_ptr*/
  n->color = 1;
  n->next  = NULL;       

/* I build some more nodes, and link em together. But I get a bus error...*/




Well mabey I should post this in st.tech...  



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From: CADS_COLE@galluk (Kevin Cole; Washington DC)
Subject: Where can one get a new mouse quickly?
Organization: Gallaudet Research Institute
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:44:20 GMT

Greetings.

We've got an ST with a mouse that appears to be on it's last legs.  (In 
particular, it seems to be growing less and less sensative to clicks and 
double-clicks.)  We needs a new mouse before a concert to be given April 24.  I
called the only local dealer listed in the phone book, and was told that they
only had rebuilt mice (for $42.00) and that ordering a new one would take a
month.  Not good enough.  What's the *FASTEST* way to get a reasonably priced
($60 sounds reasonable to me), decent mouse to Washington, DC?  Any good
sources? 

Thanx.
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