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From: wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: *Spoiler* Comments on "Realm of Fear"
Date: 4 Oct 92 02:45:21 GMT
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Organization: University of Maryland, College Park, College of Engineering
Originator: wombat@coke.eng.umd.edu

*Spoilers*



3 for 3 with these Barclay episodes.  Maybe if they do decide to make changes
a few years down the line on TNG, they'll make Shultz permanent.  I wouldn't
mind.



Some Random Comments:

- Maybe I just wasn't listening closely enough, but *exactly* why did the
four missing crewmembers look like worms in the beam?  

- ROF featured an excellent performance once again by Dwight Shultz as Barclay.
Barclay's fear and neurosis about transporters was *vividly* brought to life
by Shultz in the opening scene.  Nicely done.  He was making me sweat.  
Barclay has obviously gained a lot of confidence since "Hollow Pursuits" and
this episode did a nice job of examining Barclay reverting backwards.  He
acts much like a child while he's afraid not only of transporting, but that
he may be losing his mind as well.  You can clearly see the confidence
drift back into the character after he and O'Brien confirm that the worm-thingy
is real.  Shultz had to portray several different sides of Barclay and 
he did and admirable job.  This is clearly not the same person from HP, and
that's a nice job by the writers.

- On the directing side, I noticed that Cliff Bole used of lot of unusual
angles for many of the scenes in many-used locales.  It gave a fresh
look to them instead of using the tried and true angles we usually get.

- A very eery and effective scene was the charred body of the dead crewman
suddenly doing things not unlike those of a living person.  Like Crusher,
I was curious as to just what the hell was going on.

- The surprise ending was nice.  I just wish we had had a few more clues.
That one came out of left field for me.

That's about it.  A very quiet episode solidly done.

Grade: 8  (Like the other Barclay episodes, not perfect, but very good.)

Next Week:


The less said about this the better.  Sheesh.  But who knows, maybe they'll
pull off another "The Masterpiece Society."  We'll see....

-- 
Jose Gonzalez                

                          
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From: drakonar@cs.montana.edu (Charles L. Stewart III)
Subject: Re: Data and contractions
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:22:47 GMT

In article <1adb9tINNoqt@gap.caltech.edu> thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer) writes:
>
>I don't remember anyone specifically saying that Data was incapable of
>pronouncing contractions, just that he doesn't (can't?) (normally?) use
>contractions.
>
>Maybe (this is a suggestion)...  Data is programmed with his rules of
>grammar and vocabulary for speech.  These rules do not take contractions
>into account.  Thus, when he needs to say (for example), he did not do
>something, his interaction with his speech subroutines tell him to say,
>"I did not do this."  "I didn't do this" would be equivalent to us, but
>that's not how is programming is set up, so that's not what comes out.
>
>This is not the same as saying he has a specific block against
>contractions.  They simply aren't in his original instruction.  He can
>learn them, just like he can learn any new word, phrase, name, etc., but
>he won't normally use a word such as "don't" since his mechanically
>structured programming already has "did not" in place for that event, and
>it takes a conscious descision on his part to override that, i.e. to
>replace "did not" with "don't".  He might make the attention/effort to do
>this if playing a role or imitating someone else's speech patterns, but
>in general, why bother?  So, in general, Data doesn't-- er, does not use
>contractions.
>
>(Lore and Lal, for comparison, may not have had their programmings quite
>so rigidly structured, thus allowing for emotion, irrationality, and free
>unconscious substitution of new contractions such as "don't" in place of
>programmed phrases like "did not".)
>
>When he is repeating someone else's words, this doesn't apply at all,
>as he is not forming the words from his own speech or programming, he
>is simply repeating what someone else said (which Data can probably do
>without understanding what was said at all).
>
>A theory.  Comments?
>
>-- 
>/-----------------------------------------------------------\
>|                       Thomas Kiefer                       |
>| thogek@cco.caltech.edu -or- thogek@seismo.gps.caltech.edu |
>\-----------------------------------------------------------/


I think that's about the most logical and concise effort given yet to describe
Data and his use/unuse of contractions.  Well done.

-- 
      ---=>   Charles Stewart (aka Scott) : drakonar@cs.montana.edu   <=---
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From: gchapman@ncc1701gec.Gwinnett.COM (George Chapman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: RE: Time-loop flaw in Time's Arrow II
Date: 4 Oct 92 15:34:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncc1701g.gsu5RB1w164w

I could be wrong, but this is the impression I got:

Data explodes sending people flying.
Clemens watch falls out of his pocket.
Clemens follows the Enterprise crew into the future.
Clemens retrieves his 500 year old watch from Data's lab.
Clemens returns to the past.
Clemens sees his watch lying on the ground (there are two watches now,
   the one he dropped during the explosion and the one he picked up
   in the future)
Clemens picks up the watch he dropped in the explosion, then puts it back
   on the ground so that it can be found in the future (he still has
   the other watch in his pocket)

That's what it looked like to me.

                                - George
From: david@cats.ucsc.edu (David Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: More on Barclay (was Re: Lynch's Spoiler Review:  "Realm of Fear")
Date: 5 Oct 1992 02:39:35 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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Keywords: TNG, Barclay, transporters


In article <1aldh0INN8lp@gap.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
WARNING:  The following post contains particularly frightening spoilers for 
this week's TNG offering, "Realm of Fear".  Those afraid of spoilers should 
either get over their fears or skip over this post.

|Two lines in particular from Barclay really worked for me, incidentally:
|
|"...I get a certain feeling.  I guess you could call it...*mortal terror*.  
|<<thud>>"
|
|and "I just don't get to see these decks very often.  Look, there's stellar 
|cartography!  I thought that was deck eleven!"  :-) 
|
|I've no idea why; just something about the delivery really got me smiling.

I think it points out a falure of TNG: that the whole set up seems to
big, too complicated, for human beings to endure without stress,
fustrations, and so forth. TOS had McCoy, TNG is all too user
friendly. You don't hear anyone swearing with fustration, or getting
stressed out, unless of course it is some life or death situation. And
-- 
   |^^^^^^|      _______________________________________________________
   |      |      |"There is nothing in the marginal conditions that    | 
   |      |      | distinguish a mountain from a mole hill"            |
   | (o)(o)      O         Kenneth Boulding                            | 
   @      _)    o|_____________________________________________________|  
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   /     \                              All comments  are mine---(David Wright)
From: jwlr@gauguin.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Inconsistencies in "Time's Arrow II" (*SPOILERS*)
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:12:13 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1a52uuINNk1o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) writes:


>	Spoilers for "Time's Arrow II":
>
>	One more for good measure:
>
>	(8)  How did Data's body end up back in the cavern on
>Davidia II?  Nobody picked it up and carried it through the
>gateway that I saw...

It you look closely, you will notice that it fell through when
his head came off.  Presumably, his body went through the portal
before it was open wide enough for his head+body to fit through.

But what *I* was wondering is what happened to the alien doctor?
We saw him go through the portal (after recovering from Data's
shove), but he (it?) is apparently long gone by the time (no pun
intended) everyone else emerges in the 24th C.

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Beta-Zoid Plexing
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:14:40 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.205120.13113@wuecl.wustl.edu> ac1@cec2.wustl.edu (Anuj Chandra) writes:
>Plexing is one of weirdest pseduo science ever on ST:NG. Tapping on
>the artery behind the cortoid (?) nerve in the neck seems to INSTANTANEOUSLY
>release endorphins that INSANTANEOUSLY has an  effect in calming Barclay.
>Barcllay looks ridiculous when he taps that stupid nerve.
>
>Why shoould betazoid plexing work on a human?
>


Looks like she fooled you too. It was a placebo.  It didn't have any 
real effect at all, except to convince him it was working.  Notice
how fast he felt confident after he started going it?
From: crl0195@hertz.njit.edu (Curt R Lindmark)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: promos for: time's ar
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:09:43 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <MGATES.92Sep30124818@entiat.boeing.com> mgates@entiat.boeing.com (Michael Gates) writes:
>	Other things I found pathetic:
>
>	Data can dodge a laser defense system, and move so fast trying to save
>Lal that his hands couldn't be seen. And he couldn't relieve Clemens of the
>gun?

I was expecting Data to walk up to Clemens, grab the gun and bend the barrel.
I can only imagine that Picard "ordered" him not to show off his android
abilites, thereby minimizing any influence to the past.  Of course, that
was all before Clemens jumped through the time portal.

O========|>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|========0
 Curt R Lindmark      crl0195@hertz.njit.edu         Defender from ages past

Picard: "Mr. Worf, fire at will."
Worf: "With pleasure, sir." (draws hand phaser, takes aim)
Riker: "Oh no, not again" (ducks for cover)

Disclaimer: NJIT is responsible for nothing I don't say which isn't mine.
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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Subject: Re: STTNG vs. Dr. Who (was RE: Saturday Night Review)
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 15:46:18 GMT

CXMP <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> writes:
>Let's get serious for a moment!  Dr. Who has been going for, what,
>twenty five years?  Are you saying you've never seen any really bad
>episodes of Dr. Who?  I remember seeing an old episode recently in
>which Dr. Who was facing aliens that looked like giant insects.  Boring.
>What about the way Dr. Who always had new companions to replace the ones
>that left.  How convenient!  The Dialecks were good, but aren't the
>Dialecks supposed to enslave the Earth in the future?  So how come we
>see so many humans in the future exploring space?  Come to think of it
>humans in the future or aliens in Earth's past are the two most overused
>plots on Dr. Who.  Also, isn't it a bit of a coincidence the way he and
>the Master meet so often?  How come they can always agree on when was
>the last time they met?  Also, the writers make no attempt to decide on
>any one theory of time be it elastic time (which Harlan "CotEoF" Ellisan
>likes) or alternate time lines (which Chris Claremont likes).  How come
>Dr. Who seems to know the history for all planets in the universe.  With
>all his time travels, you'd think he'd know a lot about his own future.
>Hell, he's even met himself a fe times!  Then there's the fact that the
>pseudoscience changes with every episode; no consistency at all.

>I'm sorry, but even a "bad" episode of STTNG spoils me too much to watch
>Dr. Who anymore.

Sure I've seen bad episodes in both, but neither stops me from watching!
If you want to knock aliens in Dr. Who, you could also knock the aliens
in ST:TNG which always seem to have bumbs in their head.  Human colonies 
expanded all across the galaxy/universe? - as shown on the episode Frontios.
(I believe).  The Master is crafty and has predicted what the doctor would
do several times - I don't think they meet that much.  From the 4th doctor
to the seventh they meet only a couple of times and that is a span of about
200 years.  There does seem to be some inconsistencies, but about knowing
his own future...he's only met himself in extreme emergencies when he's 
taking out of his own time-line.  Never has he met himself by accident,
I think it is a violation of the laws of time.  Anyway, they are both good,
but perhaps it is not wise to venture in the realm of the other, since they
both exist best in their own worlds.
	Mystic
(alex.soto@analog.com)

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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: defense of time's arr
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:39:39 EST

>Here be spoilers:


>Why does it have to be explained how Picard & Co. got lodgings without
>funds?  Is it not enough for Picard to remember during one of the most
>intense parts of the story that he had a bill at a lodging house that needed
>taking care of?  Was it not worth the fun of seeing Geordi jump back and
>forth between specs and the visor, with Troi making sure his books were all
>right-side up?

>I found the episode so intense that I never once looked at my watch to see
>what time it was, or whether or not they were going to resolve the whole thing
>in the last five minutes as is sometimes common.

>So we didn't learn anything extremely new here.  Big deal.  I can't believe
>people would complain because there was *too much* action in a TNG episode.

I totally agree.  I say ENJOY the show and not get so caught up in the
technicalities.  People like Atsushu (sp?) spoil the show for THEMSELVES
if they constantly hate them.  I couldn't help by love Spiner's acting
marvel when he started reading the play as if he'd rehearsed it for
months.  Smashingly excellent!


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From: uplink@cwis.unomaha.edu (John M. Scheibeler)
Subject: Sick and Tired of TA II! ** ABSOLUTELY NO SPOILERS, THANK GOD! **
Summary: I'm sick and tired of seeing stuff about TA II
Keywords: enough of spoilers
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:57:35 GMT

	AAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!  Every time I check this subgroup I have
to page through a hundred posts about Time's Arrow II!  It gets 
monotonous.  Enough, already!  The next episode should have been transmitted
by now, let's see spoilers about THAT one!

	I mean, I haven't seen TA II yet.  Why should I, with all these damn
spoilers?

	If you want to flame me, go ahead, I just won't read your mail.

uplink

Flames should be sent to uplink@cwis.unomaha.edu

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From: rrogers@minnie.imd.nrc.ca
Subject: Re: Time's Arrow II question
Organization: NRC-Institute for Marine Dynamics
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:49:56 GMT

In article <1992Oct01.055938.4366@admiral.uucp>, dave@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes:
> I may have missed something, in either part I or part II, but why didn't 
> Picard et al contact Data with their communicators? I know Data gambled his
> away in the poker game in part I, but considering all the things he won back,
> (one guy's vest, the indian's hat, etc.) I find it hard to believe he didn't win
> that back as well. 
> 
> And we know that Picard's away team had communicators, because there was a shot
> of Dr. Crusher activating hers before she went to talk to the two life-sucking
> aliens in the hospital. 
> 
> Did I miss something, or was this just an example of the writers sacrficing a
> convienient solution to fill out the story?
> 
> 
> -- 
> "Dammit Jim, I'm a free man, not a number!"
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Ray, when somebody asks you if you're a god, you say YES!" -- Winston Zeddmore

	I'd say he did win it back, but he dismantled it and used the parts
	for the device he constructed.

							Rick




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From: lowerjc@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (J. Craig Lowery)
Subject: Re: Times Arrow - Booby Trap Link
Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:10:29 GMT

In article <1a6k23INNpn8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ac873@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Kimball) writes:
>
>Last night (here in Cleveburg) we got to see one of the antecedents to T-A. 
>In "Booby Trap", Guinan indicates that she had been helped by a bald-headed
>man when she was hurt.  I had been racking my brain trying to remember this
>incident.  I am sure there is another.
>
>Know of others?
>

I do find it interesting that in "The Child" (Yes, I know we ALL want to
forget THAT episode, but...) Wesley asks Guinan how long she has known
captain Picard.  She replies that she had not met him prior to coming
aboard ship (or something like that).  The way she says it does not
contradict TAII, but it does imply that she has had no contact with him
since TAII's 19th century meeting.

Craig Lowery 
Mississippi College
lowery@AuE.com


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From: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Subject: Re: Inconsistencies in "Time's Arrow II" (*SPOILERS*)
Originator: rhballan@c00577-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: rhballan@eos.ncsu.edu (ROBERT HAMI BALLANTINE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:42:35 GMT




rfd@po.CWRU.Edu (Richard F. Drushel) writes:



>(8)  How did Data's body end up back in the cavern on
>Davidia II?  Nobody picked it up and carried it through the
>gateway that I saw...

The gateway opened in Data'a neck, sending his body through and
leaving his head.


Rob
From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Data and Promotion (was Jean-Luc exploits android labor)
Date: 3 Oct 92 00:50:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Oct2.175001.3528
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

<<lots of info deleted>>

When you consider that Geordi has moved from LT. JG to LT CMDR, you also
have to take into account that he was a LT. JG when he became a department
head (Chief Engineer) which required the minimum rank of Lieutenant. Once
this was done, he was raised in rank, and then his regular promotion came
up, and since the rank of Lt. Commander was the only next thing, then they
had to raise him to that...

Data, I think, deserves Commander. After his time in service alone, some 28
years, she should be at least a full Commander. He does not need to be a
Frist Officer or Captain, yet...but he should be atleast a Commander before
Worf makes Lt. Commander....

Dave
==============================================================
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From: frg@homer.megatek.uucp (Ferdinand Geniza)
Subject: Re: Mistake in Borg episode
Reply-To: megatek!frg@uunet.uu.net
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 19:46:42 GMT

In article <BvCsIy.3oI@mach1.wlu.ca> roma5507@mach1.wlu.ca (romanko jeffrey) writes:
>: 
>: I have noticed a small error in the episode where the Borg capture and
>: assimilate Capt. Picard.  The first words Picard (as Locutus) says is
>: 	"I am Locutus of Borg...."
>: 
>Perhaps Picard wasn't totally assimilated (if that makes any sense).  The
>Borg did after all say that they wanted a human voice to speak for them
>and therefore may have allowed Picard to retain some of his individuality.
>
>-J

I think when identifying themselves, the Borg can say "I" if the "I" is part
of a group.  The Borg in "I, Borg" identified himself as "*I* am three of five"
or something like that.  It is when the Borg depicts himself as an individual
that's considered a violation of Borgish-rules :-), eg. "I am Hugh".
Well, that's my observation.

-Ferdie


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From: jsnell@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason Snell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Cpt. Ross Perot (was Re: PICARD/RIKER in White House?)
Date: 3 Oct 92 20:44:21 GMT
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Eerie Perot/TNG similarities....

continued...

In the comic strip "Corporate City," which appears daily in UC Berkeley's
_Daily Californian_ newspaper, this week we've been treated to a
Perot/TNG series...

All is quiet on the Enterprise when suddenly a ship appears on the
sensors: the RuBorg are back, in their Ruborg Cube (Yes, it's a Rubik
Cube Borg ship)...

Who appears on the Enterprise screen but the Ruborg known as Ross, who
asks the Enterprise to be assimilated. This Ruborg is essentially Ross
Perot in a Borg outfit.

Ross: "Prepare to be assimilated. You will become one with Ross...
Do not resist. We are worth billions."

Picard: "Poppycock. Set phasers on 'Stir-fry,' Mr. Worf."

Ross: "You have one of your Earth minutes to comply. We are the ruborg.
You will be assimilated. You will vote for Ross."

Riker: "Whoops."
Picard: "EMERGENCY CONFERENCE!"

In the conference, the Enterprise crew talks and talks. On the bridge,
bridge, Ross has appeared and taken the captain's chair.

Ross: "Comfortable chair." (sound familiar?)

Picard asks Geordi to reroute some warp connections with his pocket
flashlight.

Picard asks Worf to take a security team to the bridge.

Worf: "My Klingon warrior's blood sings for battle!"

Picard asks Data to "follow Worf to the bridge and subdue the Ruborg
after Worf gets beaten up as usual."

Data: "I will alert Dr. Crusher about Worf's imminent arrival."

Riker stands by, doing nothing.

Picard: "What is it, Number One?"
Riker: "I don't know, sir, but sometimes I feel SO ineffectual."
Picard: "It happens to every man at some point, Number One."
Riker: "Thank you, sir."

This is a fun comic strip... :)


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