From: cuz@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Cousin It)
Newsgroups: news.admin,news.groups,rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 10 Nov 92 04:42:31 GMT
Organization: School of Hard Knocks

rca@Ingres.COM (Bob Arnold) writes:

|Dave Hayes is asserting that even following the guidelines to the letter
|isn't good enough.  He is also says that the CFVs/CFDs did not
|include r.m.synth in the subject line, and I have not seen anybody
|disagree with him (have I missed this?).  So, perhaps Dave is right on
|this assertion.

	Dave is right, and it has never been a point of contention.

|This mess would not have happened if Rich (remember, he did an honest
|and careful job) had mentioned r.m.synth in the CFV/CFD subject line.  

	But, there was no need for him too, and doing so could have
damged this effort even more (see below).

|Dave - let me try to make a constructive suggestion:
|Find out who is responsible for these guidelines, and make a constructive
|effort to work with those folks to get them improved so that CFVs and CFDs
|have to have the affected groups in the subject line.  That should be
|a simple improvement that would help future votes.

	This is a fine *suggestion*. In reality though, it would be
bad practice. Just in this effort alone, you would have had to have
had AT LEAST 5 group names in the subject line, which makes the
subject line evil to read. Besides, the subject line is there for a
pointer, not to tell people the proposal. It looks simple, but the
ramifications could be deadly.

|Dave is also asserting that r.m.synth readers are being unfairly
|victimized by the vote procedures.

|Perhaps this is true, and perhaps not.  Dave thinks it's true though,
|and is assembling evidence to support this assertion.  Good - this
|is healthy.

	Well, All the evidence will be matters of opinion, not fact.
Although you are right that it is not necessarily a bad thing in
general, In this case, it seems to me Dave is being a spoiled brat.

|Under the circumstances, perhaps the best thing to do is to remember that
|guidelines have been carefully worked out by good and honest people
|(although improvements may nevertheless be possible).  Rich followed these
|guidelines faithfully, cooperating as best he knew how with the collective
|procedures of the net.  We all owe Rich a debt of thanks for this - good
|work is all too rare in this world.

|Under the circumstances, I'd suggest to Dave that he acknowledge the
|validity of the vote, and send out his own CFV and CFD to rename it
|back to r.m.synth.  I assume that Dave would do an even better job than
|Rich, thanks to what we've all learned from this experience.

	This is exactly how we should deal with the situation. I
really couldn't have said it better myself. 

|I'd like hope that these words will have a calming effect on what is
|about to become a flamefest.  I have *not* put on my own flamesuit.
|Let's see if I become a crispy critter.

	Well, your proposals are sane. :) I doubt anyone will toast
you, nor should they.

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