From: bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  More AmigaWorld Lies
Distribution: world
Date: 12 Sep 92 00:29:03 CST
Organization: Society to Stamp Out Bogus Organizations

In article <1992Sep8.003808.6875@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <bruce.0am5@zuhause.MN.ORG> bruce@zuhause.MN.ORG (Bruce Albrecht) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep3.070214.21249@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>>>   My conclusion is that Mr. Barney has attempted one last flaming editorial
>>>before bailing out of the Amiga community, and has done a blundering job of
>>>it.  The response editorial by Mr. Barney was filled with more lies, 
>>>innuendos, and double-speak than the original article, by far.
>>
>>Look who's calling the kettle black.  In the three years I've been reading
>>comp.sys.amiga newsgroups, there's been nobody who has posted anywhere near
>>the amount of falsehoods, speculation presented as fact, and general doom
>>and gloom with respect to Commodore and the Amiga than you, Marc.  I've
>>never seen an apology from you when someone from Commodore has bothered to
>>correct your postings.  You usually just wait 2-3 months and repeat it as
>>another of your "facts".
>
>   I will apologize for stating that the CDTV is dead if and when Commodore
>gives me convincing proof that the CDTV is still alive.  With the two people
>most responsible for the CDTV gone from the company, and with the way the
>CDTV is being marketed (hardly at all), one can hardly call the CDTV 'alive'.

In the U.K., Commodore is running a trade-in deal, 200 pounds savings on a CDTV
in exchange for an old A500.  Maybe it's not being heavily marketed in the US,
but that doesn't mean they've given up on it.  By the way, did you ever retract
you pronouncements that AmigaVision was dead after the head of CATS posted his
comments about the new version they are working on?
>
>>Even your claim of less than 1000 dealers is probably in error.  Not all
>>places that sell Amigas are computer dealers, some are mass market retailers,
>>like Montgomery Wards, some are video equipment companies, etc.  I'd bet I
>>could find 20 places in Minnesota that sell Amiga hardware, and a lot more
>>that sell Amiga software.  
>
>   You state that I am probably wrong in my statement that there are less
>than 1000 Amiga dealers in the U.S., and then artificially inflate the
>number in order to prove me wrong.  A number of people from various parts
>of the country have come to my defense on this one.  I now have solid enough
>information that there are no places in the U.S. where the Amiga is thriving.
>For there to be 1000 dealers in the U.S., there has to be someplace that 
>has a whopping hell of a lot of them, and no such places have been named.
>
>   BTW, I am talking about dealers, where Amigas are sold at higher than
>normal prices in order to provide service, and where both Amiga hardware
>and software is sold.  I am not talking about mail-order houses and I am
>not talking about K-Marts and Toys-R-Us's.  

If you limit your definition of dealer, you can surely guarantee that there
are a lot less than 1000 dealers.  If you limit the term dealer to those who
sell Amigas and CDTVs, I still think I could come up with at least 20 of them
in Minnesota.

The point I'm trying to make is that to keep the Amiga market alive, you
don't need to have 50 dealers that specialize in the Amiga in every state
(especially one with low population density, like Iowa).  You just need 50
stores to carry the Amiga.  I was in England earlier this week, and stopped
in an electronics store that carried several computers, including the A600.
I didn't talk to the sales people, but I'll bet that store (which reminded me
of a Radio Shack) doesn't do much in the way of service.

>   What I want is a better Amiga.  I can more honestly call myself an Amiga
>pioneer than 90% of the people who flame me for my messages.  I got my first
>Amiga in March of 1986, only a few months after it started hitting the streets.
>There are probably plenty of people at Commodore who ahve not been using 
>Amigas as long as I have.

I'm not an Amiga pioneer.  My first Amiga was an A3000.  You've been Commodore
bashing since before I got my machine.  When are you going to figure out that
your incessant, non-constructive, negative opinions about Commodore and the
Amiga do nothing that would help get a better Amiga.  If anything, they've
probably turned away a lot of would-be Amiga owners.  It's one thing to post
"N things I wish Commodore would do in the next generation", and another to
post a lot of inflammatory remarks (with subjects like "CDTV dead", "Commodore
Doomed", "AmigaWorld Lies", "Commodore R&D Slashed", etc.)

If you're not happy with the products Commodore makes, sell your Amiga and get
something you like better.  

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bruce@zuhause.mn.org
Youth is wasted on the young.
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