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From: ded@kps.UUCP (David Edwards /DP)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Should Vegan breast feed?
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:32:36 GMT
Organization: Kuwait Petroleum, Stockholm, Sweden

In article <12180089@hpmwetg3.HP.COM> dondd@hpmwtd.HP.COM (Don Dillon) writes:
|$Start Ignorant statement
|>>Should a strict vegan breast feed her baby??
|>Indeed, a strict vegan is the ONLY type of person who should breast feed
|>milk due to the animal products they ingest.  
|>Dave
|$End Ignorant statement
|
|Gee Dave, your right, and you wouldn't want to pass along any of those
|nasty anti-bodies from mother to baby.  That would just weaken the entire
|human race, artificially keeping alive weak babies that are just major
|wimps because they can't survive without them.

Geez! talk about not listening to somebody! I thought Dave was implying
that mothers-to-be should become vegans, not that they shouldn't
breast feed. 


|Not to mention the bonding involved with nursing a baby.... but I degress.

You did indeed digress.

David Edwards 
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limits.
From: burgesl@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Louise-annette Burgess)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: fat-free sponge cake request
Summary: please. =)
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:50:28 GMT
Distribution: rec.food.veg
Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon.

Hello.  My name is Louise-Annette Burgess.  
I am a long time reader (8 months) and a 
first time poster!  I am in a huge need of 
a recipe for a fat-free sponge cake (or a
reasonable facsimile thereof) for my beau.

Thank you for your possible help! =)

Louise-Annette
burgesl@jacobs.cs.orst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix)
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.recipies
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 03:17:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Apr9.073323.14475@rtf.bt.co.uk> traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes:
>I  really  wonder  why  we  keep  getting  this  sort  of  thing. This is a
>newsgroup  for  *vegetarians*.  If  meat eaters want to read it fine, its a
>free  net,  but  please  remember  if  we consider meat eating intolerable,
>that's *our* problem.
>
>We  don't  need  you to tell us we are intolerant, we know we are, and most
>of us are quite happy being intolerant.
>
>If  I  wanted  to  be a tolerant liberal, I would post to rec.food.recipes,
>wouldn't I?
>
>I  wonder,  is  alt.atheism  continually swamped with bible bashers? That's

Of course it is!! If you have ever read any group, they are all read by
those vehemently opposed to the group's charter. It is the Net way!

>your  preaching  out  of  this  newsgroup.  This  is  *not* a newsgroup for
>animal  killers  to  convince  vegetarians of the errors of their ways, nor
>is it a newsgroup to teach tolerance amongst vegetarians, so just butt out!
>

While i generally enjoy your posts, I have to say this is a sad
statement. If we don't learn tolerance amongst ourselves what *is* the
point of the group? We all have different reasons for being here. Mine
was to try to learn from other vegetarians about natural remedies,
recipes, cooking techniques, new foods  etc.

I did not come here to convert or to be converted. I am happy with the
decisions I have made regarding my vegetarian lifestyle. 

I have decided to move to rec.food.recipes and sci.med.
I will no longer be reading this group as it has degenerated to
a tolerance-free zone.


rf


>
>
>-- 
>Michael Traub
>BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: howard@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: RECIPE: Chilean Cauliflower 
Date: 14 Apr 92 17:57:38 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Hi there. Me again. People didn't jump all over my case for the last
recipe I posted, so I'm assuming it must be still ok. I'm still on 
South American food. I found a recipe from Chili using cauliflower
with a creamed almond sauce. Well, I've slaughtered (are we allowed to
use this term anymore??) the way one makes creamy sauce, and added
some peas and rice to make it a main dish, but the thought of Chili
is still there.... they voted out the dictator Pinochet 2 years ago, 
and are hanging on to democracy, so thinking good thoughts about Chili
is alright these days (unlike their northern neighbor, Peru. Sigh.
I won't be buying Peruvian coffee for a while.). 


Chilean Cauliflower and Peas in Creamy Almond Sauce

1/2 cup raw brown rice
1 1/2 cups water

about 4 cups raw cauliflower florets, chopped 
2 cups frozen peas

1 tablespoon soy margarine
2 tablespoons egg replacer (or use cornstarch if unavailable)
2 cups soymilk

1/2 cup almonds
salt and freshly ground pepper to taste


Put the rice and water in a saucepan. Bring to a boil, then reduce the
heat and cover. Cook about 30 minutes, until all the water is absorbed. 

When the rice has about 10 minutes to go, start to steam the cauliflower in a 
saucepan.

In a separate pan, make the sauce. Melt the margarine and add the egg
replacer, making a paste. Slowly add soymilk, stirring over moderate heat. 
If you have lumps, transfer to a blender, blend, then return to the pan. 
Then add the almonds and cook for a few minutes, stirring. 

Add the cauliflower, peas, and rice to the pan containing the sauce. Coat
all with the sauce. Simmer a few minutes, then serve. 

-Mary Howard

Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: robert@kohlrabi.tcs.com (Robert Blumen)
Subject: Re: Lavilin
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 17:33:56 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.152020.18277@acsu.buffalo.edu>, biehler@acsu.buffalo.edu (Timothy J. Biehler) writes:
> In this month's issue of Vegetarian Times there was an advert for
> Lavilin, a deodorant of sorts which supposedly you apply once to
> your 'pits and don't need to again for about a weeks or two.  SUpposedly
> it's made from some herbal extracts, and supposedly has some
> rearch conducted at Tel Aviv university to bacj up thier claims
> of effectiveness.
> 
> (a) is it vegetarian in source?
> (b) how effective is it?
> 

I have used it.  I can't tell you whether it is vegetarian, although I
think that most deodorants, even commerical ones made by the big
chemical-cosmetic companies are vegetarian.  

It does work pretty much as advertised.  It takes about five minutes to
apply to both armpits at night, then you try to wash it off when you take a
shower the next morning, although it is not very soluble, so it may take a
few days to entirely disappear.  Then, no deodorant needed for about a week
or two.

I found the main drawback is spending the five minutes spreading the stuff
onto my armpits.  Hair tends to get in the way.  I sort of gave up using
it, since it seems that it takes only about five seconds to put normal
deodorant on, and five seconds X 14 days is still a lot less than five
minutes.  It was nice not to have to worry about deodorant for two weeks.

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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: young@sasquatch.serum.kodak.com (Rich Young (x37176))
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.recipes
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 21:40:13 GMT

In article <wduPVkG00VB_4Ir0YD@andrew.cmu.edu> dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (David F. McWade) writes:
>
>Considering, Rich, that you have written some of the most inflammatory
>stuff on this list (like your .sig), I really don't think you're one to
>talk.
>
>Dave

	If it's my old .sig to which you refer, it asks for thought, reason,
	and tolerance...hardly inflammatory.  If it's my NEW .sig to which
	you are objecting, I can see no inflammatory prose whatsoever.  It
	might be useful to keep in mind that, while I have been less than
	circumspect in the past, I have never ridiculed the vegetarian diet,
	have never resorted to name-calling and obscenity in my posts, and
	have bowed to the request of a few sensitive readers in changing
	my .sig to something less offensive.  This, in spite of the fact that
	Usenet is an open forum on which anyone CAN say nearly anything one
	wishes.  I do not consider this to be especially inflammatory.
	Surely, there are other posters who have posted MUCH more incendiary
	articles than mine...indeed, one even admitted that some of his 
	articles were posted specifically to start "flame wars".

-Rich (young@serum.kodak.com)

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From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Protein inefficiency of chicken (was Re: UPC chicken vigil...)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 10:36:00 GMT

In article <ac.49@apmaths.uwo.ca>, ac@apmaths.uwo.ca (alka chandna) writes...
>one purchases meat, one is buying into an inefficient system which is 
>pulling our world apart at its ecological seams.  Many people don't realize 
>the real cost of meat in terms of resource depletion, since the industry is 


An article in Nature magazine in February said this assertion is 
so much bunk.
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.recipies
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:23:26 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Apr10.165655.25438@acsu.buffalo.edu> riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.100104.24643@rtf.bt.co.uk>, traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub) writes...
>> 
>>>     I hope that in your next life you're born as an Eskimo in Siberia.  If
>>>then you can keep your vegetarian lifestyle intact, THEN you can be intolerant
>>>of everyone else.  ;+) ;+) ;+) ;+) ;+) ;+)
>>>
>>As a devout practising atheist I know there will be no next life to worry
>>about, and eskimos have shorter than average lifespans due to their high
>>meat intake so it wouldn't be much of a life anyway.
>
>Traub -- spout off if you wish, but you know absolutely nothing
>about the life span of eskimos, let alone WHY it would be shorter.
>I don't suppose living in a hostile environment where nature rules
>rather than humankind has anything to do with it?
>
This coming from the queen of the teapots.

>Traub -- get some work done, will ya?
>
Mind your own business.

>me (and I'm about ready to go on hiatus again; this newsgroup
>    seems to have started its inevitable dissent into the pits
>    of fanaticism and lack of reason)

Good to see you leaving (again).

There Carol, I can act as chilldishly stupid and ignorant as you,
got any other naff games you want to play?


-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: rjc@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Richard Caley)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: LEATHER
Date: 11 Apr 92 00:23:47 GMT
	<1992Apr10.180928.13388@news.eng.convex.com> <altar.702936254@sfu.ca>
Organization: Centre for Speech Technology Research

In article <altar.702936254@sfu.ca>, Ted Wayn Altar (twa) writes:

twa> Now, let's say, for the sake of argument, that some animal flesh,
twa> if only a small portion now and then, was really necessary to
twa> sustain cats.  

In fact, as has recently come up on rec.pets.cats, cats are quite
capable of, even enthusiastic about going out and collecting the
supliment for themselves. 

The whole idea of getting rid of all pets is horrible if you ask me. I
would have little problem with a purely vegetarian society, a vegan
one would be inconvinient but survivable, however a society without
cats would hardly _be_ a society.

Just call me an anti-human bigot, I think people need that leavening
of feline stability.

--
rjc@cogsci.ed.ac.uk	But if he wakes me up again, he get stir fried :-).
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: rhuls@ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls)
Subject: Re: Bean curd questions (plus recipes!)
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 16:50:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.173625.27324@acsu.buffalo.edu> riacmt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer) writes:
>
>Vegetarian Roast "Duck"
>-----------------------
>Seasonings:  1 cup chicken stock [sic] or water [or vegetable broth]
>             2 tablespoons oyster sauce [sic] or dark soy sauce
                                   ^^^    ^^^
I'll say!!!  ;-)
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.veg
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:56:56 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <YduPRgW00VB_4Ir0Ei@andrew.cmu.edu> dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (David F. McWade) writes:
>
>>>Eskimos have shorter than average lifespans due to their high meat intake so
>>>it wouldn't be much of a life anyway.
>>     They also have lower LDL cholesterol levels than most vegetarians AND
>>probably the lowest heart attack levels in the world.  Would appear to be
>>something in the FISH that they eat...
>
>And the excess protein in the fish gives them one of the HIGHEST rates
>of osteoporosis in the world, despite the fact that they consume more
>calcium than anyone else.
>
>Even if fish actually does lower heart attack and cholesterol levels, it
>causes other adverse side effects and is completely unnecessary.
>
>And fish have more pesticides and chemicals than any other food.
>

Aw,  cmon  Dave, Carol (the lurking omnivore) has already explained that it
all  has  to  do with the eskimos getting their little tootsies cold in the
winter. Diet apparently plays no part whatsoever.



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@rtf.bt.co.uk
From: deej@gorilla.nbn.com (Donna Corner Holmes)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Ben & Jerry's ice cream
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 12:21:21 PDT
Organization: Summary Insight

"David F. McWade" <dm3o+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> >Oh, and if you're not a vegan and you MUST have ice cream, 
> >buy Ben & Jerry's! They'll put your money to good use. Which is
> >more than the other companies can say.
> 
> You could also have rice cream or tofutti.

You mean "Rice Dream," don't you?  Rice cream is a hot cereal where
I live.



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Donna Corner Holmes (deej@gorilla.nbn.com)
Summary Insight (Deposition Summaries) - San Rafael, CA  (415) 488-1659
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Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: glarson@polyp.micro.umn.edu (Greg Larson)
Subject: Corn Tortillas
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 06:51:58 GMT

I occasionally like making enchiladas, and prefer the larger-sized tortillas.
I also think I like the corn ones better than whole wheat.  The problem
is, here in Minnesota I can't seem to find corn tortillas in the larger
size.  Is this just a local thing, or is there some reason why manufacturers
are reluctant to make big corn tortillas?

Greg.
From: kati@glnserv.UUCP (Lady Dragon)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Ben & Jerry's ice cream
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 13:06:34 CDT
Organization: Vermi-net, Houston, Tx. 77098

wirthc@portnoy.sdsc.edu (Colleen Wirth) writes:

> In article <odsW2c200WC0MLPUtC@andrew.cmu.edu> (David F. McWade) writes:
>
> >Then I was told that Ben & Jerry's was a free-range farm and treated its
> >cows very nicely, so it (therefore) would not be hypocritical.
>
> I thought this was covered here just a couple of days ago, but it may have
> been on "misc.rural." To make ice cream, one needs milk. There are two ways
> to keep a cow milking--inject her with hormones, or get her pregnant.

Mammals that have had one or more babies produce milk to feed the baby.
When the youngling grows up the milk stops because the baby is weaned. It
seems to me that if you keep milking the mother, her body will continue to
produce milk to replace what is used to feed the baby or milked.


    email address: nuchat!xcluud!glnserv!kati =*= Houston, Texas, USA, Earth
From: deej@gorilla.nbn.com (Donna Corner Holmes)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: the single veggie flame war
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 13:18:51 PDT
Organization: Summary Insight

dingbat@cix.compulink.co.uk (Codesmiths) writes:

> In-Reply-To:  shankar_k@mscf.med.upenn.edu
> 
> > For example, one poster said
> > that meat eaters wouldn't be interested in the recipes of vegetarians.
> 
> If the omnivores want to read veggie recipes, why can't they join
> rec.food.veg.recipes in *addition* to rec.food.recipes ?
> 
> We're not going to eat them  ;-)

Thank you, thank you.

I guess what I should have said when I said "meat eaters wouldn't be 
interested in our recipes" is that the meat eaters who aren't reading
rec.food.veg probably wouldn't be interested. After all, if they were,
they would be reading this (and many of them are)!


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Donna Corner Holmes (deej@gorilla.nbn.com)
Summary Insight (Deposition Summaries) - San Rafael, CA  (415) 488-1659
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From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Sauces for tofu
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:27:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpfcdc.7520021
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.

Hi everybody.  I just tried a recipe that was posted here a while back
that used tofu with spaghetti sauce.  Normally I hate tofu, but I found
the tofu to blend very well with the spaghetti sauce and it made a nice
and tasty meal.  So I'm wondering what other sauces can be used well 
with tofu to sort of disguise it?  (Re disguising tofu: my apologies to 
those of you who love to eat tofu plain.  I'm doing my best to find ways 
to appreciate the stuff.)  So what recipes for sauces can you recommend?  
Note:  I'm trying to limit the amount of fat and cholesterol in my diet, 
and so I'm not interested in sauces that require a lot of butter, for example.

Thanks,
Jane Marcus
janem@hpfclg.fc.hp.com
From: mdk@hare.udev.cdc.com (Mike Kail x2441)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Flour Tortillas
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:38:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: shamash.40611
Reply-To: mdk@hare.udev.cdc.com (Mike Kail x2441)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Control Data Corporation, Arden Hills, MN

In article <1992Apr7.181329.19129@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz) writes:
|> 
|>   You can wrap up a sausage in a flour tortilla with some sourkraut
|>   or some mustard.  Called a Taco Palaco (sp?).
|> -- 

Only one MINOR *problem*, this is a vegetarian newsgroup.
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From: gph@hpindda.cup.hp.com (Paul Houtz)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Dairy farming (Was: Ben & Jerry's ice cream)
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:46:26 GMT
Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA

I have this problem too.

I think that Ben and Jerry's should make every effort to get their cream from
farms that do not mistreat their animals and do not allow calves to go to
veal operations.  

This will be hard for them.   

I personally don't care.  No matter how "environmentally" concious they are,
I don't buy or use their products.

Cream is extremely high in saturated fat and cholesterol.  The eggs used
are unborn chickens, fertile or not, and I won't eat them.  

The recources use to create Ben and Jerries Ice cream are enormous; these foods
are at the very top of the food chain.   I cannot concience eating these
foods in even minute quantities while people are starving in the world.

The feed given to the cows that produce this milk and cream could feed 
many more starving people directly, than cycling it through cows.

I am still waiting for Ben and Jerries to begin producing a soy-based desert
product and phase out their diary based products.
From: michael@psych.toronto.edu (Michael Gemar)
Subject: Re: A suggestion for rec.food.recipes
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Keywords: This is NOT a recipe.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:49:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.083145.22140@spider.co.uk> claudiak@spider.co.uk (Claudia Kale) writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.175850.20622@Princeton.EDU> asannuti@dae.Princeton.EDU (Arun M. Sannuti) writes:

[he doesn't want rec.food.veg to be an exclusive club, he just doesn't
 want to constantly receive flack from the meat-eaters here]

>It appears that I did indeed understand you correctly, as your second
>post eloquently expands upon your first. I quite understand that being
>on the defensive continually because one is a tiny minority is wearying.

Hmm...in Canada it is part of the Charter of Rights that historically
discriminated-against minorities can restrict membership of certain
organizations to these minorities, as a way of rectifying the imbalance,
and to provide a nurturing atmosphere.   While those in the States and
UK may find this disturbing, it seems reasonable to me, and this is all
that it seems that Arun was asking for, that is, a nurturing environment. 


>And it's always nice to have our own perceptions of "truth" reinforced
>by others' perceptions. Well-meaning friends and relatives can be
>astonishingly relentless in their efforts to "guide" you "in your
>own best interests, of course, dear!" So you want a safe haven from
>all of this aggressive persuasion. This is precisely the reasoning that
>club manager put forth: these people (members) were daily surrounded by a
>majority who felt that *all* persons, regardless of their skin colour,
>religion, sex, hat size, what-have-you, are entitled to equal access
>to social organisations; the members felt otherwise - most felt threatened
>by people with black skin and wanted someplace where they could relax
>with other people who were threatened by people with black skin, and
>where people with black skin were excluded.

But the people being excluded have *historically* been discriminated
against.  I don't think the same goes for meat-eaters...

>Nobody I know of is looking for ways to make their life harder. It
>would be lovely if everybody in the group held compatible views, but
>even if the group was a more restrictive rec.food.veg.friends.of.nutroast,
>it isn't going to happen. So how can you avoid being harangued while
>still allowing others their right to express their own views? Just
>skip the articles you don't want to read.

Yes, this last suggestion is the easiest and probably most practical, but
I feel rather unsatisfied by it.  Would *you* be happy if fundamentalists
kept crashing your abortion-rights meetings (or vice-versa)?  

No one is saying that people cannot freely express their opinions, just that
they choose the proper forum to do so.  I don't think that rec.food.veg
is the appropriate forum for meat-eaters to berate vegetarians.

- michael