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From: brian@dsm.fordham.edu (Brian Downing)
Subject: Re: Playground Psychotics, etc.
Organization: Fordham University/CLC, Division of Science and Math
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:19:30 GMT


 If you read the admittedly TEENY-BOPPER styled guitar player issue,
 then you may recall Zappa's comment to the effect that the new album
 "Playground Psychotics" is for all those people who wrote him asking
 for more stuff from the original Mothers. I agree with you to a
 point, I found it "kind of" amusing to listen to but I'll probably
 not listen to often. That's an expensive CD to only listen to it
 relatively few times. Compared to the usual use I get out of Zappa's
 CD's it is a rip-off. But I've bought other CD's, like shit from
 Aerosmith, just to listen to one or two "HITS" that I liked, only to
 suffer through 8 or 9 tracks of filler SHIT and those cd's gets
 played much less than Playground Psychotics will (over the course of
 my lifetime), now THAT's a rip-off.

 Billy the Mountain is ok, I esspecially enjoyed the other musical
 tracks like Concentration Moon, (I still haven't read Kafka's Penal
 Colony story related to that song as FZ suggests on the liner notes
 from the original We're Only In It For The Money).

 Oh well, FZ's got an expensive synclavier habit, and if he wrote me a
 letter simply asking for cash I'd probably send him a blank check just
 to insure that he'd be able to continue composing.

 Brian...

--
 brian downing@->fordham university, nyc ny
      bdowning@mary.fordham.edu
         brian@dsm.fordham.edu
From: dean@vexcel.com (Dean Alaska)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Where are they now? Did they all take the vow?
Date: 6 Nov 92 15:27:04 GMT
Organization: VEXCEL Corporation, Boulder CO

In article <5769@rosie.NeXT.COM> Doug_Mitchell@next.com writes:
>In article <dlovell.720259544@s1.elec.uq.oz.au> dlovell@elec.uq.oz.au  
>(David Lovell) writes:
>> Just so this is a fair exchange of FZ rhythm trivia - listen out for 
>> Vinnie Coliauta ripping into 5/8 in Little Green Rosetta after FZ says
>> "Where's five, Vinnie?" (or something like that).
>> 
>
>Actually, what Vinnie is doing is way more difficult than that. He's  
>hitting 5 against a steady beat of 4/4 (a quintuplet). That is, 5 evenly  
>spaced notes in 4 beats. I've never met anyone who can do that. 3 against  
>two is easy, 4 against 3 takes a while to get right. But 5 against  
>4...whoa!

This is an example of the 5:4 I was talking about.  It is used a lot
in Sinister Footwear.   It may be unusual for most rock music but any
Zappa musician better be able to do it almost without thinking.  And
I think Vinnie was probably the best at this type of thing.
>
>--dpm
>
>----------------------
>doug_mitchell@next.com
>
>"Don't give me any of that 'intelligent life' crap.
>Give me something I can BLOW UP!"


-- 

		dingo in boulder	(dean@vexcel.com)
From: mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk (Paul Mather)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Playground Psychotics, etc.
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:03:32 GMT
Organization: Centre for Applied Obfuscation.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Mark Parisi (mjparisi@athena.mit.edu) wrote:
> Okay, it's time to bitch. Not only is a good chunk of Playground Psychotics
> a bunch of trivial conversations, but the last eight minutes is nothing 
> more than a teaser for the "Making of 200 Motels" video.  What is this, 
> the World Wrestling Federation plugging its pay-per-view?  C'mon, now, I'm

I agree it's naughty of Frank to put blatant filler (IMHO) on his
albums, even if it does fit in with the general theme.

But then again, it is only eight minutes.  Look on the bright side.  He
could've used that time to include yet another rendition of "The Black
Page." ;-) ;-)

> watch TV.  With the half hour or so of talk FZ filled up the album with, 
> they could have given us gems like the original version of Greggery Peccary, 
> done with Flo and Eddie, or the long version of Sofa (already available on several
> bootlegs), or many other still unreleased items from that period. Gimme a 
> break.

Just because an item has appeared on a bootleg doesn't mean that Frank
has a tape of it.  In THE REAL FRANK ZAPPA BOOK, for example, he
constantly bemoans the fact that he hasn't always been able to record
all the concerts he'd like to, mainly due to the high fees demanded and
surrounding legal technicalities.  (Luckily for us, bootleggers in the
audience, or at the soundboard don't hold with such administrivia.)

And you are forgetting one thing.  PLAYGROUND PSYCHOTICS is meant to be
a "concept album" of sorts.  It's meant to give a snapshot of life on
the road at the time.  You may not like this, and may have preferred the
dialogue to have been replaced by, e.g "Greggary Peccary", but I think
this would've gone against the general theme of the album, and "spoiled
the concept."

After reading THE REAL FRANK ZAPPA BOOK, I get the feeling that Frank
isn't that interested in putting out material.  That's why I think
PLAYGROUND PSYCHOTICS ended up with the "historical document" theme,
instead of being yet-another-live-album.

Some (many) may not take to this approach, but at least it's different.

(I think that PLAYGROUND PSYCHOTICS may have been better as a video, but
perhaps Frank didn't have enough extant film or video to bring it off in
that format?  Or maybe he thought he'd already covered it in that
medium?  Or that a CD would reach a wider audience??:)

Cheers,

Paul.
--
e-mail: p.mather@sees.bangor.ac.uk

If your mailer can't reach me, I'm obviously not worth talking to.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: rabin@CS.Yale.Edu (Dan Rabin)
Subject: Re: We're Only In It For The Money... remixed?
Reply-To: rabin-dan@cs.yale.edu
Organization: Computer Science, Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520-2158
	<1992Nov12.040720.29239@cs.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:11:20 GMT

Both the drums and bass on the CD of `We're Only In It for the Money'
were re-recorded in the mid-80's.  The drummer is Chad Wackerman; I
forget whether or not it's Scott Thunes on bass.

I really miss the neat little sound effect that introduced the reprise
of `What's the Ugliest Part of Your Body' on the old version.  

Zappa has claimed in interviews that fan mail was favorable to the
change, but I find it really hard to adjust to all the changes on the
CD's after over a decade with the others.  For example, the turnaround
back into the main theme of `Little Umbrellas' used to have nothing
but a neat-o bass line; now the flute solo is restored and it sounds a
little too full to me.  Some of the drum beats toward the end of
`Peaches En Regalia' used to be emphasized, but no longer.

  -- Dan `waiting for N-Light' Rabin (rabin-dan@cs.yale.edu)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
From: jc@sci.kun.nl (Jan Christiaan van Winkel)
Subject: Re: We're Only In It For The Money... remixed?
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:13:40 GMT

In <RABIN.92Nov12101120@nuthatch.CS.Yale.Edu> rabin@CS.Yale.Edu (Dan Rabin) writes:

>I really miss the neat little sound effect that introduced the reprise
>of `What's the Ugliest Part of Your Body' on the old version.  

And how's about the ``it's okay honey, you can come out of the closet now'' 
line that was removed from the CD version.
--
___  __  ____________________________________________________________________
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   |       Alternative e-mail addresses: jc@oreo.atcmp.nl and jc@atcmp.nl
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From: orf@ssec.wisc.edu (Leigh Orf)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: We're Only In It For The Money... remixed?
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:07:20 GMT
Organization: Space Sci. and Eng. Center, University of Wisconsin, Madison

Hi all...

Just getting through with my first listen to the Ryko CD _We're Only In It
For The Money_ and it sounds to me like the drum parts are much more modern
than 1967. Did Zappa actually lay down new drum parts sometime (I'd guess)
in the mid eighties? Kindof a bummer if that is the case... if not, quite
groundbreaking drummin IMO!

-*-
orf
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Toll-
From: bnelson@gacvx2.gac.edu
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:05:32 -0600
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota

Everyone Here probably knows this already, but to join the Piers Anthony 
FAn Club, just cal

1-800-hi-Piers.

Brent Nelson
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: nahigian@athena.mit.edu (Gabriel H Nahigian)
Subject: Re: Soda Puns
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:50:38 GMT

In article <Nov09.234514.62778@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, guest@ulysses.atmos.colostate.edu (Guest) writes:
|> 
|> I'd appreciate it if someone would inform me as to which
|> Xanth book contained the chapter where the 'main characters'
|> happen upon the section of Xanth with the soda trees that
|> make puns of the names (ie. "Boot Reer" for "Root Beer").

This is after Dor and Irene's wedding in "Night Mare."

Gabe (nahigian@athena.mit.edu)
From: Jason.A.Kittredge@dartmouth.edu (Jason A. Kittredge)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Firefly?
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:36:26 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a6@newshost.dartmouth.edu


Anyone read 'Firefly'?  If so, was it worth reading?


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From: cjohnson@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Carl A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: It's amazing...
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:11:35 GMT
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY

cnahm@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Charles Nahm) writes:

<<<non-pertinent stuff deleted>>>

>Avoid:
>Firefly(Bought this book purely for the Anthony name
>and found it was not as funny(in fact sometimes 
>rather morbid) as he usually is. But thats just my
>HO)

>Charles Nahm


	Hey, I know what you mean Chucky-boy... I just hate it when
my horror novels are so, what's the word?, MORBID.  Ah yes, morbid
horror novels, who would suspect!

				-Carl-

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: cnahm@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Charles Nahm)
Subject: Re: Reccommendations?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:29:38 GMT

Hello this is my first post, but I'm a big
fan of Piers.

I also liked Bio, but I like his fantasy better 
than his Sci-Fi.

I recommend a new book of his called Tatham Mound,
it is a story on native indians in florida, 
I found it very interesting. His latest Xanth
novel, The Color of Her Panties, I thought was one
of his funniest in recent past, I remember laughing
out loud on more than one occasion...

Also:
Incarnations
Battle Circle(My favorite of all of Anthony's works)
Xanth
Adept

Avoid:
Firefly(Bought this book purely for the Anthony name
and found it was not as funny(in fact sometimes 
rather morbid) as he usually is. But thats just my
HO)

Cheers from Toronto Canada Home of the World Champion
Blue Jays,

Charles Nahm
From: bolt@wpi.WPI.EDU (Brandon Scott Coley)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: Firefly?
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:02:26 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov5.183626.7132@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Jason.A.Kittredge@dartmouth.edu (Jason A. Kittredge) writes:
>
>Anyone read 'Firefly'?  If so, was it worth reading?
>
>
Yes.  Most definately.  Its extremely erotic though, so be warned.

-Bolt-
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: guest@ulysses.atmos.colostate.edu (Guest)
Subject: Soda Puns
Originator: guest@ulysses
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 23:45:14 GMT
Organization: Atmos. Science, Colorado State Univ.

Xanth fans,

I'd appreciate it if someone would inform me as to which
Xanth book contained the chapter where the 'main characters'
happen upon the section of Xanth with the soda trees that
make puns of the names (ie. "Boot Reer" for "Root Beer").

I have all the books and have read them, but a long time
has passed since I've read them, and I'd rather not look
through every book.

Thanks in advance,

David

Please post or reply to:  mocko@mammatus.atmos.colostate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: Reccommendations?
From: bnelson@gacvx2.gac.edu
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:04:01 -0600
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota

In article <Bx86B6.2Dq@news.udel.edu>, rschwabe@bach.udel.edu (Robert Josep Schwabe) writes:
> In article <Bx78M5.KxM@kingston.ac.uk> cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun) writes:
>>msb0+@andrew.cmu.edu (Maulik Harish Shah) writes:
>>: 
>>: 
>>: Hi,
>>: 	I've only read the Bio of a  Space Tyrant series, and I thought it was
>>: excellent. I know I'll get millions of suggestions, but what should I
>>: read next?
>>: 				-Mo
>>
>  One of the most interesting things about the Bio series is that it is the only
> PA series that is not typical PA.  It is very different very graphic, not cutesyat all, and very grim (also rather confusing).  I did not like the series at 
> first, but I went back and I read 1-4 (one of these days I'll read 5), but be
> forewarned--Bio is not typical Piers Anthony.  He has not put that much detail 
> into a book since Bearing an Hourglass.  IF you liked Bio, then I suggest 
> that you first start with the original Blue Adept series (Split Infinity, Blue
> Adept, and Juxtaposition), The Incarnations of Immortality, and then Xanth (frombegining to end--if you start in the middle you will not recognise the author, 
> it is much easier if you see it progress.)  By then you will have a pretty good idea as to which types of Anthony books you like. 
>  Anthony also has the ability to come up with a great concept and a great singleopening novel, and then have the rest of the series crash around him.  The Xanthbooks are like candy now.  They also have absolutely no imagination; I think
> that the only reason that he writes them is because they make him a slew of 
> money. Hell I'd do it!!!!
> 
> Chowder ALL!!!1
> 
> Robert J. Schwabe
> 
> 
I definately agree with Robert.  All of Anthony's earlier books are much
better, and it's too bad that he sold out his great talent.

Brent Nelson
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:19:28 EST
From: <GMG7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Mode Series

I read Virtual Mode and was wondering if anyone knows when the second
book in the series will be coming out in paperback.  In addition, does
anyone know if he is working on a third book in the series?
Thanks in Advance.
                 --Gina
From: bnelson@gacvx2.gac.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re; Soda Puns
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:44:38 -0600
Organization: Gustavus Adolphus College, St. Peter, Minnesota

I believe you are talking about the chapeter right after Dor and Irene's
wedding in Night Mare.  Some of the Other drinks are, Droft Sink, Drapple Ink,
Injure Jail, and June Pruce.
From: bs783@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason Fubler Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
Subject: Re: Firefly?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 19:49:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bs783@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jason Fubler Harvey)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, Jason.A.Kittredge@dartmouth.edu (Jason A. Kittredge) says:

>
>Anyone read 'Firefly'?  If so, was it worth reading?
>
>
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>**penguin@vixen.dartmouth.edu**      Sometimes a King...             *
>*************************************   Sometimes an Emperor...      *
>*Only the BOLD can take the COLD...**      But Always a penguin!     *
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Absolutely!  One of his best works.  Then again if you don't like a book
with a whole lot of sex, you won't like this one ;).  Besides there's a
guest appearance from the cast of "Shade of the Tree".


-Jay Harvey





>  -->Dartmouth doesn't even KNOW that I have these opinions...<--
>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.piers-anthony
From: rschwabe@bach.udel.edu (Robert Josep Schwabe)
Subject: Re: Reccommendations?
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:11:30 GMT

In article <Bx78M5.KxM@kingston.ac.uk> cs_e445@ceres (Vlod Kalicun) writes:
>msb0+@andrew.cmu.edu (Maulik Harish Shah) writes:
>: 
>: 
>: Hi,
>: 	I've only read the Bio of a  Space Tyrant series, and I thought it was
>: excellent. I know I'll get millions of suggestions, but what should I
>: read next?
>: 				-Mo
>
 One of the most interesting things about the Bio series is that it is the only
PA series that is not typical PA.  It is very different very graphic, not cutesyat all, and very grim (also rather confusing).  I did not like the series at 
first, but I went back and I read 1-4 (one of these days I'll read 5), but be
forewarned--Bio is not typical Piers Anthony.  He has not put that much detail 
into a book since Bearing an Hourglass.  IF you liked Bio, then I suggest 
that you first start with the original Blue Adept series (Split Infinity, Blue
Adept, and Juxtaposition), The Incarnations of Immortality, and then Xanth (frombegining to end--if you start in the middle you will not recognise the author, 
it is much easier if you see it progress.)  By then you will have a pretty good idea as to which types of Anthony books you like. 
 Anthony also has the ability to come up with a great concept and a great singleopening novel, and then have the rest of the series crash around him.  The Xanthbooks are like candy now.  They also have absolutely no imagination; I think
that the only reason that he writes them is because they make him a slew of 
money. Hell I'd do it!!!!

Chowder ALL!!!1

Robert J. Schwabe
From: dark@microsoft.com (Dar Korra'ti)
Subject: Re: Infractions (That spoof ad in Refractions)
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:09:12 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <16880@umd5.umd.edu> niall@kavishar.umd.edu writes:
>Greywolf, that ad was done by Toivo Rovainen,
     Ad? Parody of a cover, actually. Not an ad. It's not entirely dissimilar
to LOW ORBIT's cover format, but he claims he wasn't aware of that. :-)
                                                         - R'ykandar.

--
R'ykandar Korra'ti | LOW ORBIT PUBLICATIONS
dark@microsoft.com | Trading the Now of Wolf-thought for some long-term memory.
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: Anthropomorphic BBS
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 09:32:16 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

Darren.Hanson@f271.n103.z1.fidonet.org writes:

>Hmmm.... Another possability would be to create a set of
>unmoderated Usenet Newsgroups in the ALT hierarchy.

>Alt.Confurence
>Alt.Eagle
>Alt.Other.Suns

I'd suggest alt.furnet.* as the group names, but the point is rather
moot, because the moderator of the FurNet hub has already made it clear
that this will never happen.

-- 
#ifdef TRUE        | Fuzzy Fox (a.k.a. David DeSimone)       fuzzy@netcom.com
#define  TRUE   0  |
#define  FALSE  1  |     "History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes."
#endif             |                                   -- Mark Twain
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: mhigh@nyx.cs.du.edu (Matthew High)
Subject: Re: Furplay on hold
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 05:24:55 GMT


Amen to that.  Mike's going through a really, really rough time right now
(spent a harrowing half hour with him on the phone early last evening),
so Furplay and the other zines he's involved with (Midnight Sands and K
Knots) are put on hold for a while.

Stay tuned...

Cheers,
  - net.spy!

PS  Kurt - so how long have *you* been lurking here?  Did you get your
  copy of the APA okay?
From: Darren.Hanson@f271.n103.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Anthropomorphic BBS
Date: 6 Nov 92 03:46:00 GMT
X-Sender: newtout 0.02 Nov  5 1992


 > If you were to set up a BBS in the UK that used FidoNet technology
 > software, you could become a FurNet site.  But you'd likely have to
 > call one of the BBSs listed to get your feed (I doubt I could afford
 > to send the echoes overseas, even at 9600+ HST speeds, and I'm one
 > of the richer FurNet sysops right now).

 > If you're really interested in this madness, the ZIP'd echomail
 > traffic (echoes are roughly the equivalent of unmoderated usenet
 > newsgroups) is around 80k bytes/day right now.  Best bet would be
 > to get a v.32b/v.42b modem, set up the BBS and try to make connection
 > with either Ophiophile Maximus or Clawmarks (both have v.32b/v.42b
 > modems supporting 9600+ baud) for a full feed.

Hmmm.... Another possability would be to create a set of
unmoderated Usenet Newsgroups in the ALT hierarchy.

Alt.Confurence
Alt.Eagle
Alt.Other.Suns
Alt.Writers.Comments
.
.
.
etc

It could be done and I'm sure Rick would pull them in (and might
even be able to create them) and you could act as the gateway
between the two networks....

Just a thought. No guarantees made to its feasability or sanity.
__                 __
\/  Darren Hanson  \/

---
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: avatar@wings.micro.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: Anyone know where I can find back issues of _Mighty Tiny_ in
Organization: University of Minnesota
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:42:44 GMT

Greywolf (peacock5293@iscsvax.uni.edu) wrote:
>
>Matthew High (mhigh@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
>>
>> Yup, that's right.  Ben Dunn will have a connection to internet shortly,
>>   as soon as we work all the bugs out.
>
>Yayyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!  (Ben Dunn's certainly one of my favorite furrydom
>artists...

I guess I can't get quite so excited over an artist who has made a carreer
out of ripping off Japanese cartoonists (primarily Rumiko Takahashi).

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			-Percival MacLeach
From: ce547@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kurt M. Wilcken)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Furplay on hold
Date: 11 Nov 1992 15:40:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce547@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kurt M. Wilcken)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu



     It looks like Michael Hirtes' erotic furzine Furplay is going
into suspended animation for the indefinite future.  Michael's 
going through some really weird personal stuff right now and he's
not going to have time, money or sanity to complete some of his
projects for a while.  I hope he gets back on his feet soon, but
if any of you are waiting for stuff from him, be warned that it
may take a while.

-- 
"All the World's A Stage and Everyone's a Critic"
                   --Captain Flux
ce547@cleveland.freenet.edu
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