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From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Pomo Afro Homos!
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:51:43 GMT

In article <z-g21q_@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccsouth15.its.rpi.edu (Ron  
Buckmire) writes:
} Bitch! Moan! Complain! Complain! Why don't you do something 
} about it, like writing those magazines and informing them of 
} your thoughts. Or form your own national gay 'zine. _QW_ does 
} NOT call itself a National Magazine. It IS a New York centered 
} mag and says so. The Advocate TRIES to get more diverse views 
} and I think they are doing a reasonable job at it.

Actually, I would like to create (or take part in creating) a  
national Black queer 'zine along the lines of THING when I get  
to New York next summer (oh, didn't I tell y'all?  I'm moving!).   
Desktop publishing has reached a point that makes creating a  
decent rag possible by almost anyone!  I guess THING magazine  
has really impressed me (thanks be to Bill *smooch*).  I think I  
would also like to check BLK out ...

Donald - It's time for some action!

P.S. - I'm trying to get an interview with Brian Freeman of Pomo  
Afro Homos to submit to THING magazine.  Yes, I AM in love with  
him (oh, he's SO FOOOINE!), but I can still be professionally  
unbiased. *sings _I Feel Love_, by Donna Summer*

P.P.S. - My ad WASN'T in the 12/11 issue of the Blade.  I was  
pissed big time, but he said that it should be in the next issue  
(12/18).  Non sequitur:  I have found out that I will be living  
in very nice accomodations (complete with KITCHEN!) for my last  
semester here, but those accomodations will be shared with  
various frat boys and b-ball players.  *real smug look*  I guess  
you can't have it all (but, DAMN, can't I even get SOME?) ...
From: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Anthony Berno)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Usenet Soc.Motss Tales
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:18:15 GMT
Reply-To: aberno@godel.questor.wimsey.bc.ca

In article <X1991Aug11.010159.19033@athena.mit.edu> max@athena.mit.edu  
(Max Meredith Vasilatos) writes:
> The Usenet Soc.Motss Tales

> Of sundry folk happening then to fall
> In fellowship, and they were LGBO* all

Damn, I thought I had this Chaucerian stuff licked.

Now, just *how* am I supposed to pronounce LGBO*?

-Anthony
From: tachyon@cats.ucsc.edu (Tane' Tachyon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Indications of homosexuality
Date: 15 Dec 1992 17:26:45 GMT
Organization: Tachyon Labs
NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Dec9.185413.22345@hemlock.cray.com> steven@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:
>In article <1992Dec9.233913.26632@reed.edu>
> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>>
>>What do folks with long hair who shower in the morning do? It takes my
>>hair an hour and a half to dry. I'm not going to use a blow dryer. I'm
>>not about to wake up an hour and a half early in the morning.

When I had long hair I would sometimes just go outside and swing
it around my head a bit.  Of course, there are probably a lot
more sunny days here than there are in Oregon.

>2)  Let's braid another thread into this:  Being noticed on Castro
>    street.  On Castro Street you may be just another schlump,
>    but on Market Street, near the mint, about midnight, let's
>    say you've just had a few beers and have unbraided your
>    hair.  (Billy Green can confirm this, as he has been witness
>    to such an occurence.) If it happens to be before your most recent
>    trim, and your hair is, oh, halfway between your butt and your
>    knees in length, then I assure you that you will not be ignored by
>    passers-by.

I used to get "love your hair!"-type comments on Castro Street when
I had waist-length hair.  :-)

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: King James Version
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:13:09 GMT

In article <BzFA7y.4xr@ecf.toronto.edu> ambidge@ecf.toronto.edu (Chris Ambidge) writes:
>Placing my tongue FIRMLY in cheek:
>
>Well, I  think Leviticus 18:22 is the best proof-text I've ever come
>across for lesbian sex.  I mean,  read it!  All lesbians are being told
>here that they  should NOT have sex with males the same way they lie
>with women.  Works for me.
>
>I have a degree in theology, I can say these things
>
>Chris, MDiv   [yes, three years out of my life to become divine...]

Certainly I've never seen anyone question your knowledge of (and/or skill in)
sin & debauchery.  B{)

Brian
-- 

Brian A. Jarvis,          Rm. 4026, Sidney Smith Hall, Dept. of Psychology,
jarvis@psych.toronto.edu  University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
System Administrator      M5S 1A1  (416) 978-3948
From: Jim-Guy@cup.portal.com (James Lawrence Blastic)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: More on Tacky Houses
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 05:22:38 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec08.170854.29829@bnr.ca> <1992Dec9.220647.14271@quantime.co.uk>


>Get a live tree, keep it there, maybe dress it up for Christmas.
>All this tree-killing in winter gets me down.

Hmmm... being from the Wisconsin Northwoods, I value the
tree...I love the beauty Ed and I have adorned in our home.
Tree killing?? Who kills trees? Here in the Northwoods we
just "prune" them.

Jim-Guy
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: source of the word 'faggot' (was: Hey Edgar!)
Organization: Elitist Usenet Administrators, Turkey Division
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:31:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.192331.25567@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> mudge@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (MUDGE BRIAN WAYNE) writes:

>  A far grimer possibility arises from the old punishment for 
>homosexuality, burning at the stake.  Hence homosexuals were fit for
>burning, therefore faggots.

<raises hand>  Can I get off?  I think I've been on this bus before.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / 
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /               Rocks say goodbye.
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: pitfalls of foreign languages
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:56:27 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Dec11.014239.18122@oracle.us.oracle.com> dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly) writes:
>
>In English, there's a big difference between:
>
>	"I am Danish" and
>	"I am a danish"

I saw a license plate holder yesterday which said 

       Eat Me 

    I'm A Danish 


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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Devil CD's
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 08:44:45 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <75792@apple.apple.COM> richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>Furr:
>
>>[I would love to find a danceclub DJ with the balls to mix
>>from Molly Hatchet to Madonna to ZZ to Animotion to RTZ, or
>>the like.... Chances of finding such a person/place? 0%.]
>
>Bzzzzzzt.  Shoulda visited Club Uranus more often (when it still
>existed).  I danced to "Back in Black" and "Whole Lotta Love" there,
>as well as "Fame".

Not to mention, in the Chaos days, I remember pogoing to the Ramones
with our FWA...
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG              {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!sgiblab!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: 880840m@axe.acadiau.ca (MICHAEL ALEXANDER MCKAY)
Subject: Re: The word 'homophobia'
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:41:31 GMT


> I still feel that this is an overworked and misapplied word.  A phobia
> is a FEAR of something.  But homosexuals use it for 'fear', 'dislike',
> or whatever.  Dislike of blacks just because they are black is racISM,
> not racOPHOBIA.  


 I agree; so what shall we call it then - "heterosexism"?

 I'm open to suggestions on the matter.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: gal@crchh503.bnr.ca (Gene Lavergne)
Subject: Re: Roseanne and The "Faggot" Insult
Keywords: Roseanne, Newsweek
Reply-To: gal@crchh503.bnr.ca (Gene Lavergne)
Organization: Bell Northern Research
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:59:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.195318.19119@exu.ericsson.se>, exukev@exu.
ericsson.se (Kevin Autrey) writes:
|>Yeah, but the whole "Roseanne Is Cool" aura wears off a little 
|>when I read in Newsweek...
|>.............. that she called some TV reviewer a "faggot" ...

In article <BzELs4.IF6@nic.umass.edu>, EDIAS@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU 
(EMILIANO A DIAS) writes:
|>Well Roseanne appeared on The Tonight Show to comment about this 
|>incident.  She claims that this critic has never liked anything 
|>that she has ever done.  Furthermore, she stated that he never 
|>criticizes her programs only her.  She said that he refered to 
|>her as "Bitch", "Fat" and "Slut" in his column.  She retaliated, 
|>imaturely but hey, by writing him a personal not and I guess she 
|>did call him a faggot in it.

I equate him using "fat" to insult her with her using "faggot" to 
insult him.  So, technically, it was an eye-for-an-eye type of 
thing.

Being called a "thing" has no negative connotation unless the 
caller or the callee considers being a member of that group to be
an insult.  So, both of them, in doing that, attached negative
meanings to those groups.  If I am called a "liberal" it is not
an insult if I do not attach a negative meaning to it.  If I call
someone a "liberal" it has no negative meaning for me if I do not
intend it as such.

So, if she was offended by being called "fat" and/or he was offended
by being called "faggot" then they attached those negative meanings
to those terms.

I believe it is easy to conclude they both meant to offend each
other by using those terms.  Even the most Politically Correct of us
slip by having a racist, sexist, homosexist thought because we have
had that ingrained in our heads.  Sometimes in a fit of anger they
can slip out.

She (somewhat) apologized.  She is our friend whether or not she has
completely erased the years of prior training to the contrary.  She
very clearly makes a concious effort to portray us in a good light.

I accept her explanation and am not offended.

Gene
(who is not insulted when called a "prima-donna" because only a true
prima-donna is not insulted when called one)

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| ESN 444-4842 / (214) 684-4842 | with the character of Elektra.   |
| PO Box 851986, Richardson, TX | That often worries me.           |
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Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
From: acb@cast0.ast.cam.ac.uk (Amanda Baker)
Subject: Re: NOTICE - Details of the March on Washington
Organization: Institute of Astronomy, Cambridge
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:27:02 GMT

Hi all,
	Sorry to waste bandwidth, but I can't get to the top of this
thread, and its driving me nuts: 

>> WCT reports that according
>> to MOW officials, transgender is defined to refer to
>> "transvestites" and "transsexuals".

... the only MOW *I* know is the Movement for the Ordination of Women.
Please, what is MOW in this context?

Thanks

Amanda Baker
-- 
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Institute of Astronomy, Madingley Road, Cambridge, CB3 0HA UK
Tel: (0223) 337548 x 37505  E-mail: acb@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk
Fax: (0223) 337523            or    acb@ast-star.cam.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.motss,ne.motss
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Ken Reeves, first black, openly gay mayor in the US
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:59:55 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.195855.12934@osf.org> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>Curiously, I was entirely unaware of this "open secret" until today.
>(I'm not particularly plugged in to Cambridge gay politics.)

I didn't have any idea either.  I'm sure I would have voted for him
with even more gusto if I had known.

I should mention that Cambridge's mayor is elected from the City Council
by the councilors, and is primarily a ceremonial position.  The day-to-day
city business is performed by a hired City Manager.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice)
Subject: Re: A Taste of Culture
Keywords: Gay food
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:30:25 GMT

Gretchen Klotz suggests for a little taste of something:
>Cunt Caviar (cream cheese molded anatomically and covered with red and
>black caviar -- the *perfect* blend of salty and creamy, and my favorite
>creation)

I imagine this one to be a hit at lesbian parties
everywhere, for if you mold your caviar anatomically, your
guests will have more than one treat to eat.  

It sounds perfectly... delicious.
Roger. 

Newsgroups: soc.motss,alt.sex
From: pochanay@cae.wisc.edu (Adisak Pochanayon)
Subject: Re: No solid proof to support ( was: pounding the "10%" figure into the ground: Nature, 12/3/92
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:31:00 CST

     Yeah, and if you took a survey, say in a class room of seniors
in high school, and asked each of them to state whether or not they
had masturbated.  I bet that the results of the survey would show
that close to 0% of high school students masturbated in their lifetimes.
Very few of them would openly admit to masturbation in front of their
peers.  However, the true figures are closer to 97% for teenage boys
and 85% for teenage girls.  My best friend was a senior in HS last year
(I'm a senior at UW Madison).  He said that he and his friends were
playing Truth or Dare and the question of masturbation arose.  Only
one guy out of about twelve close friends would admit to masturbating.
I asked my b.f. if he had ever masturbated and he said "No".  Knowing
him better, I just thought "Yeah, right.  And Santa Claus still comes
down chimneys :)"

     The point of my rambling is that most surveys conducted in public
(such as exit polling as this survey was) will very incorrectly reflect
any subject with a public stigma.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson)
Subject: Re: More perks for homos.
Summary: Amherst is cool
Keywords: perks, homos
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 01:00:30 GMT

In article <BzIpDq.C60@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu
(Tim Pierce) writes:

>In article <1992Dec18.204109.22265@leland.Stanford.EDU>
>prufrock@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scot N Gibson) writes:
>
>>Made me *proud* to be a fag.
>
>Move to the Amherst-Northampton area.  You can't go outside without
>tripping over a Toyota or Big-Dodge-Truck (tm) covered with
>faggot/dyke stickers.  They start to *bore* you after a while!  It's
>great.
>

I visited Amherst a couple of years ago.  (I was in an a capella group
here at Stanford, and on our Spring East Coast tour that year, we sang
with the Zumbayes (sp?).  They were great.  But I digress.)  Amherst
seemed like a really nice place, and I did notice lots of LGBO* fliers
and stickers and publications, etc.  *Much* more so than here.  I was
jealous.

>____ Tim Pierce

--scoT

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 \    /  | Stanford Univ.  |  Almost, at times, the Fool."          |
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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik)
Subject: Re: Religion and the Schools (was Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:53:41 GMT
Organization: (getting there)


This is not crossposted to alt.politics.homosexuality.

ecl@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) writes:
 >Yes, just as I accept that a religion can teach that eating pork is an
 >abomination against God, and is therefore immoral and evil, or that
 >eating meat of any sort is an abomination against God, and is therefore
 >immoral and evil, or that waging war is an abomination against God, and
 >is therefore immoral and evil.  This does not mean that school
 >cafeterias must stop serving pork or meat in general, or that history
 >classes must teach that all war is evil.

You know, when I was a kid I grew up in a rather labor-dominated
community.  My father, for an assortment of reasons, was anti-labor,
anti-union and lots of other things.  

He somehow managed to impart his attitudes to me at home.
I shared them for years.  I still hold some of them.  I guess 
it's possible that I'd hold more of them if I hadn't been
"indocrinated" by my schoolteachers and classmates in my early
years.  

I resent very strongly the implication that the parents who
believe homosexuality is wrong (or against nature, or whatever)
should control the schools.  I do not believe that they represent
most people, not even most parents.  But by forcing their religious
beliefs on the population, by dominating school boards, by lying
about the contents of books proposed for children-- in all of these
ways they perpetuate the myth that they are the real world.  Then
they hold onto archaic laws, so that they can point to these laws
and complain about the horrible monsters who break them.  They use
"lawbreaker" as an accusation that makes a barrier to some
professions.  It's all very tiresome and circular.

At least my father never suggested that the school system should be
forced to present his political beliefs.  He was occasionally
distressed that the opinions were so uncritical of the unions, but
he made up for that at the dinner table.  Oops, that isn't the way I
wanted it to sound.  He taught us critical thinking at the dinner
table.  

Oh, yes:  He voted for Stevenson.  That's probably the last time he
ever voted for a Democrat.

-- 

  Mara Chibnik
  mara@panix.com                Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble)
Subject: GLAAD: Nunn Sense?
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:54:14 PST

               (from GLAAD/LA Reports - Jan. 93)

Senator Nunn and the Washington Blade...

  One of men most frequently mentioned as a nominee for the position of
  Secretary of Defense in a new Clinton Administration, is Sen. Sam
  Nunn, Democrat of Georgia.  Sen. Nunn presently serves as Chairperson
  of the Senate Armed Services Committee and has confirmed that ten
  years ago he asked two aides to leave because of their homosexuality.

  The story of the two men, first reported in the Washington Blade, a DC
  gay weekly newspaper, is being brought to light as gay and lesbian
  groups try and stop Sen. Nunn from being appointed.  Sen. Nunn is
  already on record as being opposed to Clinton's avowed position to
  lift the ban on homosexuals having the right to serve their country as
  part of the military.  Said Sen. Nunn, "I have had people who did a
  tremendous job and who've stayed on my staff who are homosexuals.
  I've had other people who were involved in classified matters and I
  faced a situation where both the Defense Department and the CIA would
  not deal with classified matters with people who were known
  homosexuals.  In that case, I have not fired people.  I had told them
  that I hoped they would stay as long as they needed to be able to find
  suitable employment, but I've had to remove them from dealing with
  classified documents."  Sen. Nunn added importantly, "That's got to
  be rethought by our government."

  The Defense Department has not commented; a CIA spokesperson said,
  "...over the last couple of years sexual orientation alone was no
  longer grounds for denying security clearance."  Comments to: Senator
  Sam Nunn, The Dirksen Senate Bldg., Washington, D.C. 20510.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: japg0962@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (John Allen Phebus)
Subject: Re: Is it actually 10%??
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:19:10 GMT


I think this post was very thoughtful.  Much appreciaated.  If only more
moderates like this were in the christian community!  My experience, however
has been that this poster does not represent the views of most regular
churchgoers.


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ra@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Starcap'n Ra)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Organization: motss
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:58:46 GMT

berninge@cs.purdue.edu (James Berninger) writes:
> I'd also like to see "soc.motss.travel", to localize those "anyone
> know what/who to do in xxx", etc.

     "Localize" those "anyone" messages.  Why, pray tell?
What purpose would that serve?  If everyone is to read
them, why should they have to bother going to another
newgroup?  Unless you just want to isolate the messages
so you don't have to read them, in which case everyone
will soon catch on and crosspost the messages to other
motss groups so people are forced to read them anyway.

> I'm glad to see that there's a lot of discussion about splitting
> soc.motss -- it's almost gotten too big for its own good, IMHO.

     I think splitting motss would be a big mistake.
Occasionally splitting is a good idea if there are
very distinct and natural subgroups not interested
in each other, or at least not likely to have
subjects crossposted to both (like the split of the
basketball group into .college and .pro, for instance),
but to split a group as though one were tidying up
a messy desk and making nice little compartments for
every conceivable item is bad.  Instead of having to
wade through one large group every day, you'll end up
having to wade through several with all sorts of
useless crossposts between them.

     Now that "houses" idea -- *that* was amusing
and might actually serve a purpose (namely, fun).
I'm not seriously suggesting it, of course, but
I do think as silly an idea as it is, it makes more
sense than this other splitting stuff.

--Starcap'n Ra       {ames,gatech,husc6,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!kennedy
                        {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,oddjob}--^
                                          ^---------------The Wrong Choice
                             internet: kennedy@asuvax.asu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: stephena@netcom.com (Stephen Arrants)
Subject: Re: Bert and Ernie
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:52:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.144455.28307@sei.cmu.edu> dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa) writes:
>>My friend the animator tells me that the reason that for the longest
>>time there were only five episodes of Ren and Stimpy being shown
>>was not only that the guy responsible had spent all the advances on
>>controlled substances, but also that a few of the episodes were
>>just too gross to be shown on TV. 
>
>Yes on two, phfft on one. The reason Ren and Stimpy has so few episodes is
>because the main brain behind all of it (John(?) last-name-starts-with-a-K
>-but-I-can't-spell-or-pronounce-it-correctly-so-forget-it) was such a
>perfectionist that the initial time estimates for delivering the first
>thirteen episodes were a complete pipe dream. This is probably the big reason
>that Nickelodeon pulled the series out from under him (a less-than-intelligent
>move, IMO, since it's very much his creation; also because the entire Ren and
>Stimpy staff quit in protest), although the grossness factor probably had
>something to do with it as well. (If you pay close attention to the episodes
>(and have seen them more than once), you can often see where possibly
>offending scenes have been edited out.)
>
>A non-gross Ren and Stimpy would hardly be worth bothering with.

The complete story on the Nikelodeon/Spumco/John Kricfalusi battle can be found
in the latest issue of CINEFANTASTIQUE (the one with the BABYLON 5 cover).