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From: stefan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stefan Michalowski)
Subject: Re: "The sea, the Sea !"
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 17:05:27 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.151834.2147@cs.hw.ac.uk> sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk (Stewart Fleming) writes:
>....
>Whilst 
>travelling this week, I discovered a new title which
>might be added to the list.  It is a compendium of
>nautical material of all sorts....
>_The Oxford Book Of The Sea_ by Johnathan Raban.
>Oxford University Press, 1992. #17.95
>

Here is my nomination for Best Nautical Book in Print:

Eric Newby. "The Last Grain Race" Penguin Books, circa 1990.
(first published in 1956)

Dozens of fascinating books were written by the last generation
of sailors who muscled the great square-rigged ships around Cape
Horn during the final years of merchant sail. Newby's book may be
the only one that is still in print. Highly recommended.


Stefan Michalowski
stefan@sunrise.stanford.edu
From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Gravity's Rainbow: MEGAZONE (Meggezone)
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:11:06 GMT
Organization: The Witherspoon Excludables

In <1992Apr9.230422.19935@athena.mit.edu>, dschmidt@athena.mit.edu stated:
>
>I can't answer your question, but since I typed in the whole candy
>episode a few years ago, I can't resist the opportunity to post it.
>This should at least convince everyone that Pynchon is real funny...

>   The Meggezone is like being belted in the head with a Swiss Alp.
>Menthol icicles immediately begin to grow from the roof of Slothrop's
>mouth.  Polar bears seek toenail-holds up the freezing frosty-grape
>alveolar clusters in his lungs.  It hurts his teeth too much to
>breathe, even through his nose, even, necktie loosened, with his nose
>down inside the neck of his olive-drab T-shirt.  Benzoin vapors seep
>into his brain.  His head floats in a halo of ice.
etc.

Not to detract from Pynchon, but the Catalog of Disgusting Edibles has
a venerable history.  I suspect his closest influences in this passage
are Burroughs and Henry Miller, both of whom penned similar (albeit
more scatological) passages in Naked Lunch and Tropic of Cancer.
(Owners of the Grove edition of NL are referred to p. 149 for a
sample.) 

-- 
When the Persians have an important decision to make, the leaders discuss it
when drunk. They revisit their decision when sober, and adopt it only if they
reach that same conclusion again.  Conversely, any decisions made in sobriety
are reconsidered in drink. {Herodotus, bk. 1}   eck@panix.com  Mark Eckenwiler
From: meskanen@katk.Helsinki.FI (Meskanen Kaarina)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: wild Bill Hickock
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:40:18 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki, Computing Centre

Help!
I'm writing a 20-page paper on Ishmael Reed, and I have to compare his 
novel "Yellow Back Radio broke down" to the life of Wild Bill Hickock..
The fact is, I can't find any info on this character anywhere so it is very 
*difficult* to discuss the lifestory of a character you are not familiar 
with...Could anybody help me? All I need is to get to know some details of 
his life so that I can take certain features out of it and draw conclusions.
If you can help me, please email to me...
Meskanen@katk.helsinki.fi
			Thanks, Kaarina :-)
From: jpatters@willamette.edu (Jane Patterson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: imogen cunningham sought
Date: 17 Apr 92 16:48:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: willamet.1992Apr17.164800.21505
Distribution: usa
Organization: Willamette University, Salem, OR


	I have been searching for what seems like forever for the collection
of Imogen Cunningham's photgraphs which is called "Photographs".  I can find
it in the library, but I desperately  want a copy of my own. It was published
by the University of washington press. Can anyone help me find it?

Thanks in advance,
Jayn
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 6 Apr 1992 13:00:54 EDT
From: <DAB16@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Thomas Flanagan's _The Year of the French_

Someone asked about ordering this last week, and I saw it at the
big used book sale on campus here (Penn State) today.  If the person
is still interested, I could pick it up and mail it for costs.
It's hard cover, in good condition, and has survived the first two and a
half days of hard buying; *may* still be there when I return.
Cost: $2.50  (hardcover) + postage ($1.50 ??)
Let me know by E-mail if you--whoever you were--still want it.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Dennis Beach                                BITNET: DAB16@PSUVM.BITNET
Penn State University                     internet: dab16@psuvm.psu.edu
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From: terra@athena.mit.edu (Terra Witkop)
Subject: Re: reading in bed
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 12:54:27 GMT

In article <JMC.92Apr14183753@SAIL.Stanford.EDU> jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU writes:
>What is the most convenient arrangement people have found?

1.  Retire early [I usually end up falling asleep anyway.]
2.  IMPORTANT:  Get naked.

>What equipment is best?

1.  My own pillows and partner's pillows, to recline against.
2.  Down comforter in winter, electric fan in summer.
3.  Reading lamp.
4.  Book.

>--
>John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305
>*
>He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
>


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MIT, Room 8-109, Cambridge, MA  02139-4307
Standard disclaimer applies.
Xref: sparky rec.arts.books:8001 alt.sex:14547
From: zeleny@zariski.harvard.edu (Mikhail Zeleny)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books,alt.sex
Subject: Bidirectional Erections (was re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE)
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:05:00 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.

In article <1992Apr14.191732.14996@morrow.stanford.edu> 
francis@oas.stanford.edu (Francis Muir) writes:

>John McCarthy writes:

JMC:
>>Advice for those who fear being misunderstood when they go to the
>>store and ask for rubbers.  Ask for a pair of rubbers.  The wrong
>>interpretation requires a considerable stretch of the imagination.

FM:
>From my herpetological days out in West Africa I seem to recall that some
>snakes have twin penises.

Among the usual panoply of full-body tattoo pictures, the "body arts" issue
of ReSearch has a section on sexual embellishment, which, in addition to
a highly instructive taxonomy of genital decorations as Prince Alberts,
didoes, ampallangs, etc., also contains a fascinating photograph of a man
whose penis is split lengthwise.  He reports normal erections, and
stimulating (heterosexual) intercourse, admittedly with some difficulty
during initial penetration.

Disclaimer: (i) I am in no way connected with the publishers of ReSearch,
or with any tattooing / piercing establishment; (ii) don't try it at home,
kids.


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From: kamorgan@athena.mit.edu (Keith Morgan)
Subject: Re: books about music
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:08:17 GMT

Other books about music:

The Beethoven Conspiracy by Thomas Hauser
Amadeus by Peter Schaffer (kind of a book)
Whale Music by Paul Quarrington

BTW, Quarrington is one hilarious writer. I should have mentioned him
during the funniest book thread last year. I'll post a summary of his
three books very soon, however, in the meantime if you're bored check
out King Leary and Home Game. Music, hockey, and baseball - great
themes! Might be hard to find since he's a Canuck and might not be
published anywhere else. 

Keith


Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: Margaret Martin Gardiner <gardiner@lib.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: read any good books lately?
Organization: Relayed-by-Sendmail
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:06:43 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
To: rec.arts.books@uwo.ca

Jeff Walberg writes 
> 
> I've read three winners lately:
> 
> 1) A Prayer For Owen Meany - John Irving
>    I read _Garp_ about ten years ago and liked Irving's style,
>    but overall the book didn't really grab me.  This is much
>    better and I can't wait to finish (100 more pages) as I've
>    been assured by friends that the ending is terrific.  Even
>    though there are a lot of absurd events in the story (as
>    is typical of Irving) they don't stray too far, and the
>    book seems to be written from a very personal perspective.

	Just wondering whether you have read Fifth Business by
Robertson Davies?  A Prayer for Owen Meany was reviewed in a 
small book group I belong to and the person reviewing it suggested 
that it is perhaps a parody of Fifth Business.  Alice (the person who
reviewed Owen Meany) tried to find out whether Irving and Davies had
ever met and it seems to me that she found enough evidence that they
had and that Irving was very familiar with Davies work.  A Prayer for
Owen Meany is still on my list of "must reads" and so I haven't yet had a
chance to see the similarities between the two books.  Davies work, btw
is part of a trilogy:  Fifth Business, The Manticore and World
of Wonders.

MMG
been reviewed by another member of our group and I had crossed it 
off my list of "must reads" and then added it back after this later review.
From: athos@Apple.COM (Richard Eames)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Arthurian Input Needed
Summary: Information sought for arthurian story
Keywords: Arthur, Screenplay, Eames
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:35:15 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Hello there!

I am a screenwriter and am currently working on a screenplay entitled 
Pendragon: The Celtic King.  It is a more historical look at King Arthur
than most of us are used to, and tries to stay away from Magic.  I am
looking for input from Arthurian fans on what sort of traditions they 
would like to see in an Arthur Movie.  I hated Excalibur, so if you liked
that, that may give you a clue as to what I *don't* want.

Things that I will not have in the story:

* Adultry with Lancelot.
* Incest.

The story takes Arthur from gaining power to Mount Badon.  The main
characters are: Arthur, Merlin, Gawain, Guinevere, Cei and Lancelot.

I look forward to your input!

Rick Eames
athos@apple.com
From: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael D Kretzer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Asimov's mystery fiction
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:27:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: uwm.1992Apr13.012716.22842
Reply-To: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Originator: tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

From article <122224@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV>, by ed@wente.llnl.gov (Ed Suranyi):
> In article <1992Apr12.060008.23880@umbc3.umbc.edu> cs201139@umbc5.umbc.edu (cs201139) writes:
> Three of his novels were science fiction mysteries:  "The Caves of Steel",
> and its sequels "The Naked Sun" and "The Robots of Dawn".

Don't forget to add the sequel to "The Robots of Dawn", "Robots and Empire".
This series was my favorite Asimov series...I didn't enjoy the Foundation
series as much because the characters were Asimov's common 'antiseptic'
characters...the protagonists in this series seem much more "human" than
in his other fiction, although he still tends to have an 'antiseptic' character
problem in his writing (he seems to concentrate more on the technology than
on the characters).  I wouldn't call this 'bad', because that is all
subjective...it is certainly his 'style'...very 'male-oriented' science
fiction, regardless...

The book that came out a few years ago that was the last in the Foundation
series (which chronologically took place BEFORE the first Foundation novel
also includes a character from the "Caves of Steel" series.
From: joan@med.unc.edu (Joan Shields)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: More English second authors (was r.a.b FAQ)dir
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:48:01 GMT
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine

Jan Williem Van der Wetering wrote in Dutch and then
translated his books into English.

BTW, hasd anyone heard if he's still writing or intends to publish
anything anytime soon?

Joan
From: glock@glock.chip.cba.ufl.edu (Joe Granto (BACL))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Julian May
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:28:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: glock.glock.9
Organization: College of Business, University of Florida

I see that someone has been kind enough to post a list of her Pliocine 
books, and I noticed that the third book in the INTERVENTION series is not 
listed.  However, on the first page of Jack the Bodiless it lists the book 
Intervention as being the third book, and someone her had posted that they 
had read Intervention.  To make matters more confusing, when I go to 
bookstores and try to order the book, they say it does not exist.

So, what is the story?  Has the third book to INTERVENTION been released, or 
have I been lied to?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: root@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (System PRIVILEGED Account)
Subject: Who is Elia Kazan ?
Reply-To: root@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
Organization: Technische Universitaet Wien
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:55:03 GMT


 Recently I bought a paperback-novel 2nd hand "The Assasins" by some Elia Kazan.
I know that name from somewhere. As there's no "About the Author" in that book,
I'd like to know what other books Mr. Kazan wrote. Something deep in my memory
tells me he's connected with movies ( Is he a director ?)

BTW The book is fascinating.

Thanks for comments and hints
Thomas
-- 


                          Thomas Hollunder  thomas@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at
          Institute for Computer Languages  Phone: +43 222 58801 4476
           University of Technology Vienna         +43 663 81 87 709
Argentinierstr. 8/13, 1040 Vienna, Austria  Fax:   +43 222 505 38 78
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: tmaddox@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Q about _Gravity's_Rainbow_
Organization: The Evergreen State College, Olympia, Washington
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:38:45 GMT

	Regarding Pynchon on criticism:

"all right, say we _are_ supposed to be the Kabbalists out here, say that's
our real Destiny, to be the scholar-magicians of the Zone, with somewhere in it
a Text, to be picked to pieces, annotated, explicated, and masturbated till 
it's all squeezed limp of its last drop . . ."

	_GR_, p. 520

	And on the next page, one of my favorite passages:

	"We have to look for power sources here, and distribution networks we 
were never taught, routes of power our teachers never imagined, or were
encouraged to avoid . . ."

	And regarding the Disgusting English Candy Drill:  it reads out loud
wonderfully.  I was asked to talk to a science fiction group in Southern
Florida a few years ago, folks who were interested in Pynchon but Didn't Quite
Get It, and I ended the talk by reading that whole section.  I was amazed (and
delighted) at how well it went over.

 
-- 
				Tom Maddox
			tmaddox@u.washington.edu
		"Writing is reading and reading is writing."
				A. S. Byatt
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sunday, 12 Apr 1992 13:05:04 EDT
From: <DAB16@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: ENGLISH AS SHE IS SPOKE

In article <1992Apr12.111650.3877@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>,
bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale) says:
>> (citing Francis Muir citing her)
>>       Sneakers were tennis shoes.  Or sometime just tennis, as in
>>       "I forgot my tennis and couldn't play in gym."  Stubbornly,
>>       I cling to my sneakers.
>>(Francis' reply:)
>>Are you sure they were not "tennies"? Calling a tennis shoe a "tennis"
>>sounds more like the Franglais one heard on the Cote d'Azur.
>
>Nope, I checked into it very carefully.  It was "tennis"--you can even see
>it sometimes on store signs--"Shoes" over here and "Tennis" over there.
>But "tennies" could be the derivation, I suppose.  Maybe someone heard it
>and couldn't believe the speaker meant to say something so revoltingly
>cute.
>Bonita Cale

Francis is (of course) right, although it's pronunciation that's the issue.
"Tennies" is what you call 'em.  You write 'em "Tennis Shoes."  I suppose
the key is that whatever spelling one chooses has got to make the last
syllable sound like "-eez"; the Germans call this kind of distinction between
spoken and written language either "Mundart" [the mouth's manner] or
"Umgangssprache" [going-around talk].  I hereby nominate Schlepptalk as
an English (American) language equivalent.  And furthermore, before the
proliferation of bourgeois sports, we grew up calling them "gym shoes."
Now I suppose they'd have to be "Fitness Club Foot Apparel."

Queues and lines don't cause me much trouble, though I would consider
myself to be "in" either, not "on."  But the two most fun divergences
between British and American usage have got to be the names for what
people wear to cover their legs and what they erase stray pencil marks
with.  Brits wear "trousers" and erase with "rubbers," while Americans
wear "pants" and erase with "erasers."  The fun comes because Brits also
wear pants (at least the women), but under their trousers, and Americans
(men) can wear rubbers, usually with their pants off.  A poor young girl,
an Austrian exchange student who had learned British usage, caused quite a
stir when she asked a boy in the high school library if he had a "rubber"
she could borrow.  Young Americans call what the British term "pants,"
"underpants,"  making it ambiguous whether the "under" is prepositional or
adjectival.  As people mature they call them "underwear" or "undies," not
"undis" (cf. "tennies"/"tennis").                               ^^

As Francis has introduced the idea of the OLR (obligatory literary reference),
I'll mention that readers wanting to pursue either subject further can
read Philip Roth's _Portnoy's Complaint_ or Berke Breathed's comic "Outland"
(nee "Bloom County").  Does this mean I have to cross-post to rec.arts.comics?

  --Dennis Beach
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From: joyce@deco.csd.sgi.com (Joyce Richards)
Subject: holocaust books
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:18:01 GMT

i didn't see anyone list these Holocaust books:
"The Banality of Evil" by Hannah Arendt,
"Maus"
and 
"MausII" by Art Spiegelman

the first one made me think
and the Maus books made me feel (bad).

now something for the PC crowd.
why is it so appropriate to bark at people who ask for books on both sides
of the Holocaust.
i often wonder about PC usage.
for example:
why is it if you have a mass murderer, there is the murderer, and then
the victims.  jeffry dahlmer's name was in the papers.  he murdered
n number of victims.  but when we talk about the Holocaust, it's usually
said:  6.25 million Jews died. and gays and gypsies and priests and artists,
etc. or were lost.  or disappeared.
but we don't say the ruling German Government killed ...
why is that?  am i wrong to guess that PC talk avoids ugliness?

joyce.


--
From: weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Irrelevant _GR_ question
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:28:58 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: spb0457@zeus.tamu.edu (SubGenius)

In article <15APR199215123407@zeus.tamu.edu>, spb0457@zeus (SubGenius) writes:
>>[On the Kirghiz Light being, according to the secret history behind GR,
>> an undocumented third Kirghiz-named group that vanished during the 30s
>> via the then ongoning name confusion/renaming.  Sort of like the third
>> baseball league in Roth THE GREAT AMERICAN NOVEL, only different.]

>I really can't see much justification for this, as Pynchon's usage of
>the Kirghiz Light is as an abstraction; [...]

As just about everything--real or imaginary--mutates on its way into GR,
what of it?

>Unless you can supply some documentary evidence for this, I can't see
>any reason to believe it.

With Pynchon there is essentially no documentary evidence for what he meant,
so your request is ridiculous.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: egolf@coronado.ecn.purdue.edu (Stephen R Egolf)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Julian May
Date: 7 Apr 92 00:56:18 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

glock@glock.chip.cba.ufl.edu (Joe Granto (BACL)) writes:

>I see that someone has been kind enough to post a list of her Pliocine 
>books, and I noticed that the third book in the INTERVENTION series is not 
>listed.  However, on the first page of Jack the Bodiless it lists the book 
>Intervention as being the third book, and someone her had posted that they 
>had read Intervention.  To make matters more confusing, when I go to 
>bookstores and try to order the book, they say it does not exist.

>So, what is the story?  Has the third book to INTERVENTION been released, or 
>have I been lied to?

There is no third book.  There are two books (METACONCERT and INTERVENTION)
which were released as one in hardback.  They cover the events preceding 
the intervention.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: DON'T send flamewar to soc.motss! Apology.
From: tfarmer@datamark.co.nz (Thomas Farmer)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1992 22:22:37 GMT
Organization: Datamark International Ltd.

In article <sbb1.702507760@Ra.MsState.Edu> sbb1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Shay B. Berthelson) writes:
>lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson) writes:
>
>>TAKE THE STUPID NAMBLA FLAMEWAR TO TALK.POLITICS.HOMOSEXUALITY.
>
>I agree, I am new to the books reader and come in here to have 
>multiple responses to a homosexual conversation.  This may or may not 
>have something to do with books, but you have enough responses for your
>own board which I'm pretty sure already exist.

I have a better idea, take it to /dev/null

ObBooks

	Has anyone read anything by Jonathan Carroll? I just picked up
a book by him (the names escapes me) which was really neat. It started
off as a yuppy lifestyle book (excuse bias) and ended up as an
interesting twist on an old fairy tale.

	Recommended.
-- 
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Datamark Intl Ltd  | tfarmer@datamark.co.nz | +64-4-233-8186 (work)
Technical Writer & Dos M/Wrangler           | Love is a warm beagle.
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From: btm34360@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Structural Violence )
Subject: Looking for drawing the human figure book(s)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:16:54 GMT



	I saw this one book once and foolishly didn't get the name or anything.
Now I cannot find it.  But this book was basically a collection of models 
posing nude in the style of famous sculptures and paintings.  i.e. there was
one guy posing as Adam from the Creation in the Sistine Chapel, a woman posed
as Boticelli's Birth of Venus etc.  Can anyone help me find this book?  Or any
other book that has just a large collections of photographs of artist's models.
I don't like those books where all they give you are somebody ELSE'S drawings
of a model.  I'd like to do my own interpretations, thank you.
	If anyone can help me out, please email.


	 			Thanks,	
				Brent T Metcalf
				btm34360@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
				bmetcalf@ux1
				btm34360@sumter