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Unfortunately there have never been published proceedings. It is certainly
something I will raise as a recommendation for the future.

Bill VanderClock    PADI OWSI #200330
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Subject: UW photography
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Date Entered: 01-28-93 14:15
 S> Is anyone using a housed camera and would like to comment on the pros and 
 S> cons. 

My wife and I often use an Ikelite flat port housing with a Pentax SLR.  While 
the system is old, it's served us well. 

Pros:  You can use the camera dryside, and you get through-the-lens focusing 
wetside.  You can do as we do, use a relatively cheap camera with a wide 
selection of available lenses.  The flat port allows some flexibility; you can 
switch from a macro to a wide-angle lens, for example.

Cons:  It isn't easy to focus -- you've got to see through your mask, the 
housing, and the camera.  I don't think it's possible with any housing to see 
the complete frame without moving your head.  With the light conditions 
underwater, it's often difficult to focus on the ground glass screen; perhaps 
a split-image type would be better.  In low light conditions, split-image 
focusing sometimes causes one half of the image to black out, however.  The up 
side is that at least you are sure what your lens is pointed at.

A housing is also bigger than something like a Nikonos.  The sail area doesn't 
seem like much until you try pushing it against even a mild current.  The 
overall system weighs more, too, but wetside that's not a concern.

Controls are more complex for a housing because they involve levers and gears.  
It can be a bitch to get the system functioning if a lever gets bent or a ring 
starts to slip.

---

Re-reading that, it seems negative towards housings, but actually, if we were 
to replace the system, we'd probably get another housing.  Neither of us is 
big on range-finder systems. 

        Peter Bennett

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From:         Cosma Papouis <papouis@TOWER-UNIX.CITY-POLY.AC.UK>
Subject:      Enlighten Me?!

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-- The message was:
        (from "I'm not dead! I'm electroencephelographically challenged!")

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  Dear Friend,

  We have the distinguished honor of being on the committee for raising five
  million dollars for placing a statue of Bill Clinton in the Hall of Fame in

  [ ...stuff deleted... ]

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Hmmm ... from "I'm not dead!..." ???  Does this mean the Rush Limbaugh
(sp?) is alive and well and reading SCUBA-L ;-) ?
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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                                                                ^
                                                               WHO HE???
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Sorry to bring this up again, but would someone out there please tell this
poor ill informed limey who the hell Rush Limbaugh is????

I know this is nither a, Scuba related, nor b, of any real importance, but
it has been bugging me for the last few days and so I would appreciate a
response.  (No flames please, Im only asking!!).

Thanks in advance.

Cosma.

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From: elof@gentzen.gmd.de (Elof Frank)
Subject: Re: Boston Sea Rovers 39th Underwater Clinic
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 10:35:51 GMT

Pat Williams <williams@FDCV14.ENET.DEC.COM> writes:

>Attached below is a PARTIAL list of some of the presentations to be held at
>the upcoming Boston Sea Rovers Underwater Clinic on March 6th & 7th at the
>Copley Plaza in Boston.

[list deleted]

Does anyone know, if there will be some proceedings published
and if so, how to get hold of a copy.

Elof
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Subject:      Re: Boston Sea Rovers 39th Underwater Clinic

As many of you know, The Sea Rovers show is the longest running underwater
show in the world. It is amazing that a small group of people manage to pull
off the best show in diving every year. If you have any interest in diving or
the marine environment this is something you don't want to miss. And this
year it's been expanded to two full days. Even if you can only stop in to see
the film festival, make sure you don't miss this one!

Bill VanderClock         PADI OWSI #200330
WVANDERC@BENTLEY         "Doctor Deep"
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From:         "Reef Fish (Large Nassau Grouper)" <RFLNG@CLEMSON.BITNET>
Subject:      Heart Surgery and Scuba Diving

Does anyone have any first-hand or medical knowledge to shed light on the
following situation?

A friend of mine, an avid, otherwise healthy, scuba diver, had a heart
attack which resulted in an open-heart surgery involving a double-bypass
and the replacement of a heart valve by a human one (as opposed to a pig
or plastic-valve).  He required no post surgery medication after the first
week, and his recovery schedule was approximately as follows:

1 week:   discharged from hospital; could walk and do light exercise.
2 weeks:  could climb two flights of stairs or have sex -- the activities
          are equivalent (in physical demand) according to the surgeon.  :-)
6 weeks:  could drive automobile, do moderate exercise, and work.
8 weeks:  could do ANYTHING he felt up to, without undue exertion, according
          to his surgeon.  However, the surgeon was obviously unfamiliar
          with the risks of such a surgery in scuba-diving, and advised him
          that he probably shouldn't dive before 12 weeks, without giving
          any specific reason why "anything" doesn't include "scuba-diving".

Said friend consulted a dive physician at DAN about the matter, and
received the recommendation not to dive for ONE YEAR.  The DAN physician
was unable to cite any specific risk or any statistics relating heart
surgery to diving -- noting that neither DAN nor PADI knows how many scuba
divers there are, let alone how many had heart surgery or subsequent diving
ills.  Of the two items that my friend worried about the most -- the
nitrogen absortion by scar tissues and the pressure from depth -- both the
DAN physician and his surgeons considered those risks negligible.

So ... should he listen to his famed heart-surgeon, who performed open-heart
surgeries and heart-transplants more often than most of us dive ("wait 12
weeks") or the physician at DAN who specializes in diving medicine but knew
little about heart surgeries ("wait a year")?  More generally, does anyone
know of any statistics or books about open-heart-surgery and scuba-diving?

In just a few hours, I'll be beginning my journey to meet some REAL, large
Nassau groupers, in Nassau; and weather permitting, dive with some bull
sharks, with Stuart Coves's Nassau Undersea Adventures.  :-)  I look forward
to reading any info on the posted subject on my return.  Thanks in advance.

-- Bob.
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>G'Day all,
>I'm new to this list and am curious as to how many of you are into UW
>photography.

I am.

Xavier Jones
PADI DM-43381
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Date:         Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:23:40 PST
From:         Pat Williams <williams@FDCV14.ENET.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: Boston Sea Rovers 39th Underwater Clinic

Attached below is a PARTIAL list of some of the presentations to be held at
the upcoming Boston Sea Rovers Underwater Clinic on March 6th & 7th at the
Copley Plaza in Boston.

Pat

Dive Medicine, Safety and Instruction
-------------------------------------

Andrea Zaferes  -  The Dehydration Journey
Randy Bohrer  -  Oxygen Tolerance
Butch Hendrick  -  New Trends in Diving Rescue
Brett Gilliam  -  Deep Diving Controversy: Reality vs. Hypocracy
Instructors Panel Debate  -  Representatives from PADI, NAUI, YMCA talk
                             about diving risks
Dr. Argy  -  Fitness to Dive
Dan Orr  -  DAN Update


Diving Technology and Techniques
--------------------------------

Rich Nordstrom  -  New Rebreathers
Ken Loist  -  Dive Computers
Dan Orr  -  Cave Diving: going where no one has gone before


Women in Diving
---------------

Hillary Vidders, PhD.  -  Women in Diving
Randy Olson  -  "On the Surface" (interviews with 3 women scientists:
                 Dr. Ruth Turner, Dr. Cindy Van Dover, Dr. Colleen Cavanaugh)
Bette Orr  -  Is Diving Better Than Chocolate?


Wreck Diving
------------

Brian Skerry  -  Wreck Diving
Brad Sheard  -  Wreck of the Mohawk
Chip Cooper  -  South Carolina wrecks
Gary Carbonneau  -  New England Inland Wrecks
Capt. Bill Palmer  -  "The Last Battle" (German UBoat U853)
John Chatterton  -  UBoat discovered recently off the New Jersey coast
Hank Keatts  -  "Ships of the Line" (HMS Culloden, USS Ohio, USS New
Hampshire)


Marine Biology, Local and Exotic Dive Sites
-------------------------------------------

Bob Boyle  -  Diving in Eastport, Maine
Norm Despres  -  Macro Life in New England
Phil Sharkey  -  The Twilight Zone of Marine Biology
Andy Martinez  -  Diving in the Gulf of Maine
Bob Sanders  -  Diving in Antarctica
Ken Loist  -  Diving the Solomon Islands
Susan & Chuck McCormack  -  Tropical Diving
Holly Martell  -  Collection Trips
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From:         "Nicholas J. Simicich" <scifi!njs@UUNET.UU.NET>
Subject:      UW photography
              "uunet!BROWNVM.brown.edu!FRIEDBER%FAUVAX.BITNET"

>  >G'Day all,
>  >I'm new to this list and am curious as to how many of you are into UW
>  >photography.

>  I'm interested.  Please, include me in separate U/W photo postings.

We all hate underwater photography and photographers.  None of us ever
take pictures or videos (or ever look at them). :-)

Seriously, we do discuss photography from time to time on this list.
Please feel free.  I'd certainly be interested.


Nick Simicich - uunet!bywater!scifi!njs - njs@watson.ibm.com
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From: michael@CS.HUJI.AC.IL (Michael Naaman)
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              26 Jan 1993 11:13:32 +0100."
              <9301261201.AA20201@shingml.cs.huji.ac.il>

In your mail you write:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to post a message to rec.scuba.
> Since I don't have direct access, I have been using the gateway
> (rec-scuba@ucbvax.berkeley.edu). This did work, many moons
> ago. I haven't tried it for some time, but I guess it
> doesn't exist anymore.
>
> Can anyone please tell me another way (~another email address)
> to post to rec.scuba ?
>
> I don't have a recent FAQoS, so please don't just point in that
> direction :-)
>
> Thanks in advance for your reply,
>
> Han Weegink
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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   Try rec-scuba@cs.utexas.edu. I know it worked about a week ago, and I
guess it still does.

=====>   Michael
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Date:         Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:31:39 MST
From:         "Steven G. Lanaghen" <sgl@SPATIAL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Dive Training Mag
              93 1:14 pm

>
> In article <SCUBA-L%93012315340904@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>,
> A3TC@PSUORVM.BITNET (Tim Chase) writes:
> |> If there are any people that still want to subscribe to Dive Training
> |> magazine, please email me and I will be glad to send you a sub card.
> |>
> |> The current issue is a very good one about tank infromation and also
> |> some info about current shark research and the events off Hawaii,
> |> West coast of the U.S. and "Down under".
>
> There are probably quite a few UK people interested in Dive Training
> Magazine, so rather than sending everyone a subscription card would
> it not be easier to post the address and telephone number here?
>
        Dive Training Magazine
        405 Main Street
        Parkville, MO  64152
        USA
        (816) 741-5151
        (816) 741-6458 FAX

        Send Subscriptions to:
        Dive Training Magazine
        P.O. Box 14236
        Parkville, MO 64152-9972
        USA

        One year subscription (12 issues) for $16.95      ____
        Two year subscription (24 issues) for $29.95      ____
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        For orders outside the US: Canada add $5 per year for postage;
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        accompany order.  Please allow 30-60 days for delivery of the
        first issue.

        Name    _____________________________________________
        Address _____________________________________________
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        Approximate number of dives logged _________
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        Please enter my subscription for Dive Training as specified above.
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From:         Cosma Papouis <papouis@TOWER-UNIX.CITY-POLY.AC.UK>
Subject:      Rush Limbaugh

Many thanks to all those that answered my previous posting.

For all the brits who also didn't know who Rush Limbaugh is here is
a copy of one of the responses.

> From: "Tony.Kuhlman" <ADP64@msu.edu>
> Subject: Rush Limbaugh
> In-Reply-To: The letter of Saturday, 23 January 1993 3:41pm ET
>
>   Rush limbaugh is an ultra-conservative radio commentator in this country.
> He has a 3 hour talk show, in which he talks about whatever he wants to.  He
> tends to support the Republican party's positions almost every time, although
> he may grumble because he thinks they don't go far enough.  Depending on your
> political persuasion, he is either the champion of what is good in the US, or
> the mouthpiece of the capitalist robber barons, trying to shove their
> God-fearing values down those liberal throats.  In approximately his own
> words, "I'm the most dangerous man in America.  Why?  Because I'm right, and
> the liberals know it, and they can't stand that."
>
>   In my opinion, he's sometimes entertaining, sometimes right, and often too
> pompous to listen to for too long.  Also, lately he has begun with a
> late-night TV talk show.  So far his ratings keep him on starting at about
> midnight or 1 am.  We'll see if he can move into prime time.
>
>   Oh, in our last election, Rush supported George Bush, but only
> half-heartedly.  He felt that Bush was too soft on economic policy, and caved
> in too many times to the Democratic party members in our Congress.
>
> Tony Kuhlman
>

So now we know!!!
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On Tue, 26 Jan 1993, Han Weegink wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to post a message to rec.scuba.
> Since I don't have direct access, I have been using the gateway
> (rec-scuba@ucbvax.berkeley.edu). This did work, many moons
> ago. I haven't tried it for some time, but I guess it
> doesn't exist anymore.
>
> Can anyone please tell me another way (~another email address)
> to post to rec.scuba ?
>

rec-scuba@cs.utexas.edu

Hope that helps.

John H-C
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From:         Scarman <SCARMAN@HFRD.DSTO.GOV.AU>
Subject:      Re: UW photography (with housings)

Further to the saga of what to buy when taking the opportunity for cheaper
prices than at home in the realm of UW photography.....

Just to compare again with local _duty free_ prices of a Nikonos V I rang my
local camera shop and was quoted A$970 (US$660), so the US shops win here. But
talking to the guy , seems he's quite into UWP(photography), why not, he buys
at wholesale :-). Anyway he's got me thinking about housing my Pentax SF7
autofocus.

As you can imagine this has opened a new can of worms, and not knowing anyone
else using a housing I'm wondering if this is the right way to go.

Is anyone using a housed camera and would like to comment on the pros and cons.

Gavin.
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From:         "Alan H. Friedberg" <FRIEDBER@FAUVAX.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Nassau Shark Dives (LONG)

    Bob, your shark dive sound like fun.  I will be in the Bahamas in
    March and I would like to try the dive as well.  Do you have the
    phone number NUA?  Thanks.  Alan H. Friedberg
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From:         Cosma Papouis <papouis@TOWER-UNIX.CITY-POLY.AC.UK>
Subject:      REJECTED: Rush Limbaugh

 Many thanks to all those that answered my previous posting.

For all the brits who also didn't know who Rush Limbaugh is here is
 a copy of one of the responses.

 > From: "Tony.Kuhlman" <ADP64@msu.edu>
 > Subject: Rush Limbaugh
 > In-Reply-To: The letter of Saturday, 23 January 1993 3:41pm ET
 >
 >   Rush limbaugh is an ultra-conservative radio commentator in this country.
 > He has a 3 hour talk show, in which he talks about whatever he wants to.  He
  tends to support the Republican party's positions almost every time, although
> he may grumble because he thinks they don't go far enough.  Depending on your
> political persuasion, he is either the champion of what is good in the US, or
> > the mouthpiece of the capitalist robber barons, trying to shove their
> > God-fearing values down those liberal throats.  In approximately his own
> words, "I'm the most dangerous man in America.  Why?  Because I'm right, and
> > the liberals know it, and they can't stand that."
> >
 >   In my opinion, he's sometimes entertaining, sometimes right, and often too
> > pompous to listen to for too long.  Also, lately he has begun with a
> > late-night TV talk show.  So far his ratings keep him on starting at about
> > midnight or 1 am.  We'll see if he can move into prime time.
> >
> >   Oh, in our last election, Rush supported George Bush, but only
> half-heartedly.  He felt that Bush was too soft on economic policy, and caved
> > in too many times to the Democratic party members in our Congress.
> >
> > Tony Kuhlman
> >
>
> So now we know!!!
> --
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