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From: surge@en.ecn.purdue.edu (PhD-in-Training)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Arranged Marriages...
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:31:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr13.055909.24168@csrd.uiuc.edu> ghosh@sp1.csrd.uiuc.edu (Sanjoy Ghosh) writes:
>I don't see why divorce should be necessarily considered a failure.
>To use a rather crude analogy, when I upgrade from a 286 PC to a
>386 PC, I don't consider the 286 PC a failure.  In fact it might
>have been the greatest thing around when I bought it.  But ten 
>years later it is time for a change.  I think divorce particularly
>in an advanced society should be seen in this light.

If this is some kind of a joke, its above my head...So we have
progressed from "buying a car" analogy to "upgrading one's PC"!
First off when you say that divorce should not be considered a
failure, I feel that the definition of marriage is completely
up in the air.

Marriage means committment.  It is a life long contract.  It is
not like buying something because of two reasons: 1) You are dealing
with another human being, not an object.  I mean, can you stop
thinking about yourself, at least to some extent? 2) If you buy
something, you can sell it later.  Get out of the situation
(perhaps with some financial loss).  You cannot do that with marriage
(at least the attitude should be that).

Why?  Is this some arbritary personal condition I am placing? NO!
If marriage is not permanent, then what it is?  It is completely
meaningless.  Marriage is part of family.  You cannot change who
your parents are, you cannot change who your siblings are, and you
cannot change who your children are.  These relationships do not
appear and vanish according to whim (imagine if it did).  The
thing that makes marriage special, the thing that makes it worth
it, is that it is life long.  Otherwise, you might as well shack
up together until such time you find someone better.  So when
someone asks "What's the big deal with marriage?", it obviously
means that marriage means NOTHING to them.

Personally, I feel a big part of why marriage and family in the
world are in such a sorry state is due to this "let's stay
together while its fun" attitude.  Its not supposed to total fun
and happiness.  And yes, the relationship is constantly changing
and needs attention all the time.  You sound like you are trying
to find this "perfect" someone with whom everything is going to
be a piece of cake.  And when it isn't anymore-----TIME TO UPGRADE!

(To fend off some flamers let me say that a few EXTREME
conditions due call for a divorce:  in cases of mental or
physical abuse and adultery, but that's it).

So how's it gonna feel when someone upgrades from you?

>
>Sanjoy Ghosh
>ghosh@csrd.uiuc.edu

--Surajit (O.P.)
From: trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Zero
Date: 9 Apr 92 10:38:08 GMT
Organization: Enrico Fermi Institute, University of Chicago.

In article <1992Apr8.180625.8407@u.washington.edu> ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan) writes:

[concerning how the West tends not to acknowledge non-Western contributions
to science and mathematics..]

>>	Thanks for a very informative article amidst all this cacophony.
>>	I do have a point to make and please take it as constructive 
>>	criticism: Isn't it interesting how we are looking UP to the West
>>	to give us our due? Doesn't that tell you how powerless we are?
>>	Seems to me we can either complain and wait in the wings for the 
>>	Western popular opinion to acknowledge the historical truth or
>>	ignore the whole thing. There is a yet a third option: Empower
>>	ourselves and write our own interpretation of history...

You are so right: We should always have our own identity and our own history; 
we should not define ourselves by what someone else says, or does not say,
about us; and we SHOULD empower ourselves.

I wish more people would think like this!

However, without going overboard, it is good to correct misinformation
when we see it and to "firmly request" recognition where it is due;
I am not sure if that is necessarily looking "up" to anyone.

Take all the "intellectual property" debate: The West is not looking "up" 
to you or me when they tell us that something is theirs and we should
acknowledge it. Of course, the profit motive makes them shriller than
is good for anyone. :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: akk@cseg09.uark.edu (KHANNA ANIL KUMAR)
Subject: ATTN: Ex CMCites.
Keywords: CMC 
Organization: University of Arkansas
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 16:31:06 GMT




This is the repost of the earlier msg. appeared under wrong subject. The response has been very encouraging.

Hi,

Do you know if some has a list of all ex CMCites( ex employees of CMC ltd.
in India)? I think there are many of ex CMCites in US. I have been to 
Austraila and NewZealand. Ex CMCites there maintain an up-to-date list and
frequently share their professional experience. It will be a good idea to
create list of ex CMCites and keep in touch with each other. Do you have any
suggestions?. I do not mind coordinating this activity. If you like this
idea pl feel free to send you name, address, tel.no and professional interest
to me I will compile and post it on the network. If you now of some one who
is not on the network pl discuss with him and if he likes put his address
also to me.

Thanks for your time.

anil

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: hemmady@Cadence.COM (Shankar Hemmady)
Subject: A puzzle on the negative Harmonic Series
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 02:10:05 GMT



The negative harmonic series with alternately posititve and negative terms
has puzzled mathematicians for a long time.

It satisfies the rules of convergence, but not those of absolute
convergence.

So here is a puzzle on that subject.  

	1 - 1/2 + 1/3 - 1/4 + 1/5 - 1/6 + 1/7 - 1/8 ....

	reformulating the negative terms,

   =	1 - (2/2-1/2) + 1/3 - (2/4-1/4) + 1/5 - (2/6-1/6) + 1/7 - (2/8-1/8) ....

	expanding the brackets and re-grouping ...

   = 	(1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + 1/6 + 1/7 + 1/8 + ...)
	- (2/2 + 2/4 + 2/6 + 2/8 + ...)

	factorizing ther 2/2, 2/4, etc ...

   = 	(1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + 1/6 + 1/7 + 1/8 + ...)
     	- (1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + ...)

   =    ZERO!!


What went wrong?  I know that there is an Absolute Convergence theorem which
can find the error in the above statements.  But can you give a 
simpler lay-man explanation of the fallacy?

BTW, the correct sum of the series is ln(2)

-Shankar Hemmady
hemmady@cadence.com
(408)987-5214
From: grx1533@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: GENESIS CONCERT AT PONTIAC,MICHIGAN!!!!!!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:01:15 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Apr15.214641.7003@uoft02.utoledo.edu>, grx1364@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> We need a ride (for Two people) from Toledo to Pontiac Silverdome,Michigan
> on 24th May (Sunday) for the GENESIS CONCERT. We will share the expenses
> incurred. Anybody interested, please contact me.
> 
> Abhijit Bagal
> PH - (419) 475 - 3450
>WE CAN RENT A CAR AND GO IF YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN SHARING FOR CAR RENT E
MAIL ME. IN FACT A FROUP OF 4 IS IDEAL, I WILL TRY AND LOOK FOR ANOTHER GUY. 
PANKAJ
UNIV OF TOLEDO
(419) 472 1507, 537-4087
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu (m vishnu)
Subject: Re: Soc.Culture.Tamil
Originator: mvishnu@morse.waterloo.edu
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:34:18 GMT


Even if 'Soc.Culture.Tamil' is voted out, one can still create 
'Soc.Culture.Tamil.Trial' without any voting.  It's continued 
existence depends on the number of postings in the first few 
months, so I am told.

Can some knowledgeable netter shed more light on this ?

Meenan Vishnu
From: SELD1015@HASARA11.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: help neede in finding Kirpal Singh
Date: 10 Apr 92 03:52:19 GMT
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

Kirpal Singh was in Amsterdam University in 1970.
He went to Leuven and since then no news.
Amsterdam University would like to contact him.
From: 900847s@ace.acadiau.ca (SUJOY SEN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: C$125.00 for a multiple entry visa to USA
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:09:22 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

Yes, that is the cost for someone holding an Indian passport to visit the 
United States. So I was told, when I visited the U.S. consulate in Halifax, 
Nova Scotia. Canada.
Their argument is that this policy is reciprocally baised and that 
The Indian government charges the same. Is this true ? Sounds absurd to me 
Does someone know how much does it cost for a multiple entry visa to India?
Thanks,
Sujoy Sen
From: bajajk@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: IIM ahmedabad India--Do they have it.
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:10:56 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia


   This for people at IIM ahmedabad India....

   Do They have this network there...??

   If anybody at IIM ahmedabad is reading this pl. contact me..


   









Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: address and phone # of US Consulate
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:43:20 GMT

Hello: Does anyone have the mailing address and phone number
for the US Consulates at Bombay, Delhi, Calcutta and Madras?
Thanks a lot. - Ganesh

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rsubrama@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Revathi Subramanian)
Subject: Delta Airlines-Agents in India
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:35:26 GMT

Does anyone know of any travel agents who deal with Delta Airlines in India?
Apparently, most of the agents in Madras claim that there are no agents in
India for Delta Airlines. I don't suppose this could be true since Delta flies
to India.
I would really appreciate any info on this.
Thanks in advance,
                                                          Revathi
From: IO00832@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Test
Date: 15 Apr 92 13:31:11 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Just a test!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: naik@nynexst.com (Jay Naik)
Subject: Filing 1040 Jointly  
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 16:08:29 GMT



	Tax Man Cometh! This is a query to all those out there who have
filed Joint Returns on their 1040, while their spouses were in India,
waiting for a Permanent Resident status. 
	While the IRS have cleaned up their act and their response center 
is very responsive, five queries that I made in the past about this matter 
resulted in exactly five prompt and polite but different recommendations. 
So, I am looking for case histories from those of you who have filed this
way in the past. The IRS publication 519 (for aliens) is rather ambivalent
and downright inconsistent on the issue of joint filing when the spouse is
waiting for PR, ranging from "Tough Luck, Can't do it" to "Yea, well, OK, 
We'll let you do it". So what do you do if :

1. You (filer) are a US Citizen or Resident Alien (PR),
2. You got married in 1991.

3. Your spouse is in India, waiting for PR, or has her/his petition approved
   in 1992 and awaiting departure, or had PR in 1991 but still in India.

4. If you filed jointly and had to report worldwide income, how did you 
   claim the tax credit for taxes paid to Indian Govt. on Indian income?

   If these questions have been asked and answered in SCI, I'd appreciate
   a repost or a pointer to the archives. Much obliged.

-------------------
  Jayant Naik
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: kgg6519@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kamalakar  Gulukota)
Subject: Re: glimpses into telugu classics
Keywords: Telugu classics,Potana,Bhagavatam
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:22:31 GMT

vnk5651@tamsun.tamu.edu (K V N Gopal) writes:

>This is for all those who enjoy reading Telugu classics and poetry.I have
>been recently going through my collection of selected padyams from Telugu
>classics and would like to share them for with all lovers of Telugu poetry
>I will start with some padyams from Potana's Bhagavatam .The padyams in this

>K.V.N.Gopal

Good job, sir.  Keep it up.

In a slightly lighter vein, I would like to share some of Srinatha's
``Chatuvu'' poems with you.  Please contribute liberally here if you
know any more.

When very thirsty in the midst of a jungle, Srinatha is supposed to have
said:

	sirigala vaaniki chellunu tarunulu padi
	yaaru vela Daga pendladan,
	thiripemunakiddaraandra?  paramesa,
	Ganga vidumu, paarvathi chaalun.

[Saaransham:  A wealthy man can well marry 16,000 women.  But for a 
	      beggar (like you), it does not make sense to have two
	      wives.  So, please leave Ganga to us...parvati is enough
	      for you!!
]

I could add more...but I will let the others add some to this treasure.

Kamalakar Gulukota
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nkramesh%harpo.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Nanda Ramesh)
Subject: Re: INDIAN MEN and MARRIAGE
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:05:50 MDT
Organization: University of Utah
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Apr7.213139.26298@gatech.edu>, An Indian Woman of the 90's writes:
.... deleted

|> I find 99% of Indian men still tied to MAMA's
|> pallu, in other words, they DO NOT DARE to choose
|> their own life partner. They might freak out here
|> with Indian girls ( if they find someone) and with
|> American girls too. But finally, when it comes to
|> marriage, they run back home to choose possibly the
|> prettiest of the living dolls they see in the numerous
|> living rooms they visit and marry her in a couple of days.
|> 
|> 1. These guys don't like independent women as they prefer
|>    DOMINATING over some docile creature who will have no
|>    alternative but to tag with their whims and fancies.

... deleted.

|> 
|> An Indian Independent woman.
|> 
|> 					
|> 					-New User (newuser@cc.gatech.edu)

wow, a new species on SCI ---> IIW's...
wonder when a call for new group will come s.c.i.iiw :-))

seriously, 99% seems to be a number just conjured up by you.
but then again that is typical on SCI.

|> 2. They are  terrified of the prospect of having to convince
|>    their parents about their choice since most parents find some
|>    objection to anybody their children choose in this manner.
|> 

terrified is not the right word here, but it is true that
not many are willing to sacrifice their family. maybe the love
is not strong enough.. :-)

|> There is also the category who are really "TOO SHY" to even
|> interact with girls, whose handicap I can understand but
|> the others, why are you bothering to give lame excuses for
|> preferring arranged marriages ( as some of u have done).

why do make out a preferance for arranged marriages in a
debate as a lame excuse? don't tell me you think all those
who argued for arranged marriages *are* going to have
arranged marriages.

nanda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Query on labour certification
From: ssanjeer@matrix.cs.wright.edu
Date: 7 Apr 92 12:36:36 EDT
Organization: Wright State University College of Engineering and Computer Science
Nntp-Posting-User: ssanjeer

Anyone having info on the following matter, please let me know as soon as
possible :

My form I-140 has been approved. If i change my job now would i have to 
apply for labour certification again. 

Thanx !
From: edo2877@usl.edu (Ott Edward D)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: america loves indians
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:40:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: usl.1992Apr7.184039.25633
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana

indians can and do make jets. they just do it for america and probably britian.
i for one and many of my friends thank you for your contribution in helping
america dominate the world militarly.the more indian scientist the better.the 
worst enemy to india is not pakistan or china.for india's worst threat is not
a military threat.it is america,for a lot of the people who could help india 
move up and inprove herself work in new jersey,new york and california.for me
that is great,america can become number one again economicaly using indian
scientist is something a lot of us are counting on.

now all we need is some indian resturants.and i'm sure that we will start to
get some as the indian population grows in america.heck i could realy go for
some samosas right now.

God bless the IITs without them how could american industry compete.
so remember tell all your brothers,sisters,cousins and school friends that
as soon as they graduate to come to america get thier masters and start 
working for america.



-- 
BONES HEAL                   Edward D. Ott
CHICKS DIG SCARS             U.S.L. p.o. box 44661
PAIN IS TEMPORARY            Lafayette La. 70504-4661
GLORY IS FOREVER             E-mail edo2877@usl.edu
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 19:04:07 EDT
From: <KXK140@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject:     attn. Rajeev P.k. (Calicut) in Virginia

Hi,

Does anyone the whereabouts of Rajeev P.K.? I think he is attending a school in
 Virginia. Don't know which one. Please respond through e-mail if you know his
telephone number or e-mail address.
Regards,
Krishna Kishore
Penn State University
From: thiyagarajan@mims.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: More on TN chief
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:03:16 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


>in the affected areas? You don't need LTTE or some other force... I myself
>would like to see her drop dead!   One less bad fly is little more
>relief for the

You want to see anyone who oppose to LTTE drop dead. don't u?
True to the LTTE tradition (they do not like any opposition. Just kill them)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: scindia@IASTATE.EDU
Subject: KUDOS TO P.V. & MANNU!
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 00:56:07 GMT

Keywords: 

          P.V. Narsimha Rao and Manmohan Singh are doing a great job .

 - Releasing the Indian economy from years of bondage .

          This is only to say :


                               CHEERS TO THEM !       
          
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ngrjn@milton.u.washington.edu (V Nagarajan)
Subject: Re: Indian English
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:05:10 GMT


	How about transliterated "vernacular" phrases like, Anand
	is showing Kasparov water (from Tamil)! I ain't kiddin'!

							- Nagarajan
From: THAHARA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: India: Question of self-confidence / Dr.Manmohan Singh
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:08:45 GMT
Organization: Yale University

In article <1992Apr10.091415.24728@colorado.edu>
manu@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Njan) writes:
 
>At last, a politician with sense.... It's time someone did this and reduced
 
I disagree.  Manmohan Singh is a MINISTER with sense; he is not a politician.
What we really need is more ministers who are not primarily politicians.
 
Harsh
 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: shiva@netcom.com (Shivanand Sawant)
Subject: Re: Oscar - Rohini Hattangadi
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 00:11:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

From article <atulpule.702678490@cunews>, by atulpule@sebastian.carleton.ca (Ajit Tulpule):
> 
> ##From cunews!utgpu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!uunet!psinntp!dg-rtp!spsd!swagata Tue Apr  7 16:12:53 EDT 1992
> 
> ##Rohini Hattangadi did receive the OSCAR for costume design in
> ##Gandhi. (not for best actress). If you remember, Gandhi got
> ##a total of 7(?) OSCARS.
> ##
> 
> 
> I think that Rohini Hattangadi had got an Oscar for best supporting
> actress. Someone (I don't know who had got an Oscar for costume
> design for the movie Gandhi.).
> 
> 
> Ajit Tulpule.
> 
> 
> 

It was Bhanu Athaiya who received the Oscar for costume design

Kirti Prabhu

> 
> -----------------------------------------------
>         Ajit Tulpule
> 
> email : atulpule@business.carleton.ca
> -----------------------------------------------
From: george@allegra.att.com (Lal George)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Practical Training
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:24:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: kisubi.GEORGE.92Apr6122436
Distribution: soc
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories

This is for a friend who has applied for practical training, but
has had to extend her date of graduation by 3 months. Before graduation, 
she plans to go to India. She has a couple of questions:

	1. Does she need to reapply for practical training?

	2. If an EAD were granted would it still be valid based
	on the old graduation date?

Thanks.
From: sm774406@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Soumyo Mukherji)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: University of North Carolina (Chapel Hill)
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:48:05 GMT
Reply-To: sm774406@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Soumyo Mukherji)
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

I will be joining the Univerisity of North Carolina (Chapel Hill) from
next fall (1992). I have no idea 
whatsoever about the place in quantitative terms (i.e. apt. rent etc),
so if some kindred soul from UNC 
gives me an answer to the following questions I will be eternally
grateful, (Sorry to anyone else who 
went through this article and is not from UNC) : 

	1.  What is the apt. rent in the town (on the basis of apts. shared
between 2-3-4 people each 
            having his/her own room), apts preferably near the Univ ?
How does the rent vary with distance
	    from the university.

	2.  What are the chances of getting on-campus (non-dorm) housing if I
apply now ?


	3.  Is there anyone living near the university who is looking for an
apt.-mate ?

        4.  Any other information that I should have before going there.



Soumyo Mukherji 

(At present in the Mech Engg dept of Colorado State Univ.
 Going for my Ph.D. in Biomedical Engg. in UNC in fall 1992).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ram@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ram Devanathan)
Subject: Re: On starting the newsgroup soc.culture.tamil
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:02:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.195435.26675@cs.umn.edu> prabhak@cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar) writes:
>To the question: Why can't these guys use sci? If one lists
>the articles on sci after a day's hiatus, the reason becomes
>apparent. (At the risk of apearing popmpus and conceited)
>SCI is overloaded with personal vendettas, childish exchanges,
>one-two line retorts, looking-for calls, test messages and
>virulent religious and regional attacks. A few people post
>once in a while when they have something meaningful to add. But
>their attempts at injecting some sensibility into the 
>proceedings gets lost in the intemperate crosscurrents of 
>trash and muck.
>Satya Prabhakar (satya@ssdc.honeywell.com)

 soc.culture.tamil will not be immune to the problems which you have
listed above.   The best solutions are a)KILL file b) 'n' key.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.sri-lanka