From: ericag@ecst.csuchico.edu (Eric A. Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.filipino
Subject: The Apostasy, Last Days, Armagedon, and the coming of the Kingdom...
Date: 22 Nov 91 23:42:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecst.1991Nov22.234209.5396
Organization: California State University, Chico




Fri Nov 22 1991
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The following article is an "appetizer"  and is only an INTRODUCTION to
the complete reply I promised that I will post soon.


To the following people:
------------------------

  JJ, Tony, Teddy, A.Kashko, Gilbert, Sonny, Tim J, Willy, Rey C,
  emailers, and anyone else who is interested...

  The KEY date is the year 1914... you see, this discussion is more relevant 
  to everyone than some people thought...LIVES are at stake...


  Read below:





Rough Sequence of Events:  From the Beginning to the End.
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 - The perfect couple Adam and Eve betrays God.
 - God then announces the coming of his Kingdom because Man WILL die
   and will be unable to rule himself (The Theme of the Bible,
   see Genesis 3:14, note that the "woman" here appears again in the
   Revelations--this is NOT Mary, but is symbolic for God's organization).
 - God chooses a People (Israel)
 - Sends the prophets to announce the coming of His Son to fulfill a mission
     and to keep them (Israel) from falling away from God's TRUE commands.
 - The arrival and death of His Son Jesus Christ. << Mission accomplished >>
 - The Apostasy Foretold, then
 - The Last Days, then
 - Will climax at Armagedon During the Great Tribulation...and then
 - The coming of the Kingdom. (Revelations)  <--- Man restored to perfection
                                                  and will have Eternal Life.
                                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

---> This is now WITHIN our life time...the LAST DAYS... so be prepared!!!
                 ^^^^^^ 

As Tim Jehl earlier said, my previous posts [Part 1-6] will become more
clear in the coming final and complete reply.

My religion as promised to JJ and Tony:  Roman Catholic.





---> Please bear in mind, ALL THE WRITINGS BELOW WILL BE supported by SCRIPTURE,
     and HISTORY.  This is only an INTRODUCTION to my final reply.

As a SUMMARY, part 1-6 dealt with the APOSTASY, a falling away from TRUE
Christianity as predicted by Jesus and Paul would happen.  
The prediction stated that when they were gone, an apostasy will infest
Christendom.  I have been careful in writing about this before because it will
strike all the Christians in this group.  I will now boldly state what I
will be making clear soon.


Summary of the Apostasy [more details to follow, see part 1-6]

  1.  The Trinity Doctrine is NOT a Bible teaching,
      it started in the 4th century, and with much OPPOSITION to it,
      finally sank into Christendom sometime in the 11th Century.
      I will go into it's history in the coming reply as promised to
      A.Kashko, and show that what the Bible says CANNOT accomodate
      the Trinity Doctrine.

      I will discuss what the "Trinity proof texts in the Bible" really are
      and that Jesus CANNOT be God, because it WOULDN'T FIT CONTEXT.
      It is Jesus' followers who made him a God, Jesus NEVER claimed to be God.
      Instead, he was ALWAYS "glorifying his God and Father."

  2.  The worship of Mary - If Mary is the mother of God, don't you think
      she should then be part of the Trinity? Father, Mother, Son, Holy Spirit.
      Mary is the mother of Jesus, no more.
 
  3.  The concept of an immortal soul, that is when we die, we go to heaven
      or hell.  What the Bible says is quite the opposite.  I will show that
      soon, because this concept will NOT fit the Bible teaching of
      the Resurrection.  The bottom line is:  When we die, we DIE...all we
      have left is the hope in the resurrection.  The concept of the
      immortal soul started with the Ancient Greeks and found their way to
      the early Christians...

  4. Others:  Images, mediators, tradition, the persecution in the R.Catholic
     Church...


     I will discuss what Jesus' PRIMARY mission was.  Indeed he is the
     Son of God.  All these, I will support with the Bible.  

-------------------------


----> After this APOSTASY has taken place... THEN the END OF THE WORLD
      will come as predicted by Jesus.

      But when???





As an extra, in Hinduism:
===============================================================================
(Kumarasamy Sanjay) writes:
>   Mahabahartha verse VI(21) says the following:
>   " Oh God | When thee descend from the skies to kill
>   the ruthless, nobody will be left on this earth. The incident
>   will involve mahayagna and will occur two score yuga from today"
>   Considering the time Mahabaratha was written and taking into
>account the time period the author refers to it may be anytime 
>after 1995 and before 1999. (This inaccuracy is because one second
>refers to 5 years in God's time.)
===============================================================================




Introduction to Almighty God Part 7 - Last
==========================================

After the Apostasy takes place... then the end of this world will come...

In the Bible, a prophecy (revelation) from God says that this wicked world
will "end" soon (CALCULATIONS based on HISTORY and the BIBLE, suggest it would
be WITHIN the life span of a human generation STARTING the year 1914)
that is, in 1914, Jesus Christ waged a war in heaven, and all of Satan's forces
were thrown down to earth and thus WE are witnessing an INCREASE in bad
events on earth...because Satan knows his time is very near...
Jesus Christ will then do the same on earth, to defeat Satan  (the second
coming of Jesus Christ).

I will post details on these CALCULATIONs - entirely based on the Bible and
History in the book of Daniel, Ezekiel, Matthew, Revelations etc..
It's a little complex to write just plainly.

1914 is the year Jesus assumed Kingship of the Kingdom.  The sign that
the end is near.  More in the coming post.  The KEY scripture to when 
the end is, that "...this generation will not pass away until they witness all
these things [Last Days]... "

The signs of the "Last Days" before the "end" comes are very apparent today.
(the end means, Satan will be defeated, and this old system of things on
earth will be done away with, no more wars, corruption etc...).

These are the Last Days (the signs that the end is VERY near)

- Nation will rise against Nation: WW1 [1914], WW2 [1939], 25 Million people
    have died in more than 150 wars after  WW1 and WW2.
    In WW2 alone, 15 million Soldiers died, NOT including civilians.
- There will be Earthquakes:  In the last 1900 years (800BC-1900AD) about
    2 Million died in 24 major earthquakes.  But within the last 60 years,
    more than 1.6 Million have died in more than 45 major earthquakes.
- There will be Pestilence:  It is estimated that 40 Million people will
    die from AIDS related diseases by the year 2000.  25 Million died from
    Spanish Flu alone after WW1.
- There will be Hunger:  Today 40,000 babies just died from hunger.
    50 Million people will die from hunger every year.  Today, about 1/4
    of the world is hungry.

  etc... I will post more examples later.


...AFTER the generation has witnessed all these things then the END will come:


It will CLIMAX in Armagedon (a Tribulation far WORSE than what we are
experiencing today)... How long this tribulation will be?  Well, Jesus
said "My Father shortened those days, else no one will be left alive".
As when the Great Tribulation is:  Jesus said, "No one knows the hour or the
day, except the Father"

This will then pave the way for a new world where God will rule over man in a 
new GOVERMENT (God's Kingdom).  Man will then be restored to perfection
just like Adam and Eve (the Original Purpose).  People, through Jesus Christ
will be resurrected and restored, this will take place within 1000 years,
after Satan is defeated in Armagedon...
(this is the start of the 1000 yr Kingdom Reign, and Jesus is King!!!)

After the 1000 years, Jesus Christ will hand over the Kingdom to
"his God and Father"* after Judgement Day (people who do not do well during 
the 1000 yrs they are given will not pass Judgement and will die again 
--this is the Second Death),

* Note:  See 1 Corinthians 15:24-28  <--- VERY important to Trinity believers.

...the time is coming when every Nation will acknowledge Jesus as King!!!!
   when Armagedon takes place...


After the 1000 yrs...

Then Satan will be released...  and Man will again be put to the test
(just like the perfect couple Adam and Eve)... but God will destroy Satan and
those who were mislead by him (even though they are now perfect) before they
do any damage again.  Those who remain faithful, will have Eternal Life in
a paradise on earth... just like the Garden of Eden in the story of Adam and
Eve (Genesis -Old Testament).  And DEATH will be no more...

What strikes me is the dates given 1995-1999 in Hinduism and what the Bible
suggests (Year of the end = 1914 + life span of a generation starting 1914),

...then the Great Tribulation for all of us is very near...

The life span of a generation is usually between 70-90 yrs, 
but no more than 120 yrs (Man's life limit --it's also in the Bible).
Remember the key scripture:  "This generation will not pass away..."

What is even better, is that if we survive this Great Tribulation, 
The Bible suggests we might not even have to die... because the resurrections
will take place right after that tribulation (and during the 1000 years)...
We will be given the chance to learn within 1000 yrs, what really is the
"TRUE" religion...because God has taken over from Mankind's inability to
rule himself...  This is the reply to Willy, it will be SOON,
and it will NOT be a goverment ruled by men without God's direction.

------

The Bible was written over a span of 5000 years by human "secretaries" of
God.  (that is, God wrote the Bible).

All I have stated is merely an overview...there is MUCH MORE to the Bible...
like BEFORE the end comes...a Great Crowd will be gathered who will know
what is REALLY written in the Bible... and that 144,000 will be chosen from
Mankind to rule with Jesus Christ during the Kingdom reign.  Much more!
While people have been deserting the Christian Faith... people are
being gathered and strengthened in Faith and they are coming from all Nations
and all religions...

   The Jehovah's Witnesses is the ONLY religion today that is going
door-to-door preaching the coming of God's Kingdom all over the World.
This is the SECOND most important aspect of the mission of Jesus Christ.
The FIRST, is to tell everyone about his God and Father, Jehovah. (YHWH)



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---> I will support all these in SINGLE coming post... 
     ALL from BIBLE SCRIPTURE and HISTORY.




Eric

ps. If anyone needs ALL previous discussions and part 1-6, please email me.
    and anyone interested in learning more about the Greatest Book
    ever written...email me.

    And to JJ, Tony, Teddy, and the OTHERS, please send me email to verify
    you have seen this post...I want to know if you guys are still around...

--- I will also be very SELECTIVE on who else I talk with over this matter...

--- All our systems will be down Friday mn to Sunday.


..."learning the Bible...studying it...and knowing where all the church
doctrines started and if they are supported by the Bible...
...Faith cannot be blind"...

--
Eric A. Gutierrez                   | "And this is eternal life, that they
ericag@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu     |  may know you the only true God and
Graduate Student, Computer Science  |  thou whom you sent, Jesus Christ."
California State University - Chico |  -- John 17:3  Jesus speaking.