HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: arto@leland.Stanford.EDU (Artavazd Khachikian)
Subject: Re: "Misha" dreams of KGB and ASALA/SDPA/ARF terrorists.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 17:46:11 GMT

In article <9211230005@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:
>
>Cemetery. Time: 10:30 AM
>
>TACS invites everybody, especially those families who have 
>lost their closest ones during the Turkish Genocide, to come 
>for the memorial service.
>
>    	January 28, 1982 - Los Angeles
>	Kemal Arikan, the Turkish consul general in Los Angeles, is
>	assassinated by two terrorists while driving to work. 
		
			(etc.)

Twenty years later, the same cemetery:

	March 13, 1994 - Washington.
	Serdar Argic, Hasan Mutlu. 1945 - 1994.
	Assasinated while typing his last posting to the newsgroups.
	Soc.culture.soviet, talk.politics.soviet organization
	has claimed responsibility.

			***
From: rmc@wang.com (rmc)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: So the Greeks were monsters because they wanted to be free
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:11:07 GMT
Organization: Wang Laboratories, Inc.

c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) wrote a long
group of questions on local people trying to expel invaders, including
historical examples of the WWII resistance movements against Germany,
a current problem of "discrimination" against Russians in the central
Asian republics, and hypothetical cases on occupations of Turkiye.
His central question was:

> Given 1, 2, and 3, is it any surprise that the Greeks did what they
> are alleged to have done? I mean, they were not fighting a conquering
> war, they were simply trying to liberate themselves.

I have, in all fairness, to agree that the Greek reaction was not
surprising.  After all, 90% or so of all people are ****ing ****heads
99% of the time, and given an excuse to act immorally, most people
will take it.

I think that the reason the Turkish issues have generated more heat and
smoke than Spiros's are many, but the ones that seem clearest to me
are:

-  The Turks had been in the Balkans for quite a while.  Sure, Poland
maintained its national identity and language under Tsarist Russia and
Prussia for a hundred years, and Lithuania for a bit longer yet.  But
the Turks had been around a long time.  Not only could no one alive
remember a time when the Turks had not been around, no one alive had
ever met anyone who was alive when the Turks had not been around, and
probably on for another couple of iterations.

-  In the local culture, it is "common knowledge" that the Turks are
"horrible people" who "massacred" untold numbers of Armenians, Greeks,
and other peoples.  The Greeks, of course, are the "fathers of
civilization" and it is "common knowledge" that Greeks and Armenians
are such gentle folk they would never even insult a Turk, let alone
harm one.

-  In the local culture, it is "common knowledge" that "Islam was
spread by the sword" and that the crusaders were noble,
self-sacrificing heros who only wanted to "liberate" the Holy Land.

Umm, there are probably other examples too, but the one-sidedness of
the usual local perceptions make all discussion of such topics rather
likely to ignite into insults.  

"hashegu koi ha ikeno koi"

R Mark Chilenskas
Chilenskas@Office.wang.com
From: hhrant@ocf.berkeley.edu (Helgge Minassian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Turkish Newspaper Goes Too Far
Date: 19 Nov 1992 02:49:08 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

   A major Turkish Newspaper has been reprimanded and sued
   for apparently suggesting:

	"Why don't you [beep] off Clinton"

   Please fill in the [beep].  More as it becomes available.
   In a related story, an irrate Turk e-mailed me:

   "can't you beeeep somewhereelse you f...... greek or 
    whatever ...."

    Iktenlikle Sizin,

    -Helgge
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "Kniaz" begs...
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:15:24 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <98231@netnews.upenn.edu> kniaz@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu (Chris Kniaz -Fischer) writes:

>>which do reflect an historical intelligence.

>I beg your pardon?

Self-questioning is always good news. Although the administrative mechanism 
was a strictly centralized one, the Ottoman Empire 'was a classical example 
of a pluralist social order.' The 'millet system' was the mechanism which 
shaped the social order of the multi-national Ottoman Empire and stood 
behind its continuity. As a matter of fact, because Islamic principles 
were in force in the Ottoman Empire, it was natural to use religious 
criteria to differentiate among the various communities which constituted 
the Empire. The 'millet' system began to be based on ethnicity in the 
19th century under the influence of nationalism. Sousa writes of the 
existence of thirteen communities in the Ottoman Empire in addition to 
the Muslim 'millet' in 1914. These were: (1) Greeks attached to the 
Orthodox Patriarchate in Istanbul; (2) Catholics or Latins who were 
remnants of Genoese and Venetian merchants; (3) Gregorian Armenians 
attached to a Patriarchate in Istanbul; (4) Catholic Armenians; (5) Syrian 
Catholics attached to a Patriarchate in Mardin; (6) Chaldean Catholics 
attached to a Patriarchate in Mosul; (7) Syrian Jacobites attached to a 
Patriarchate in Mardin; (8) Protestants; (9) Melchites attached to a 
Patriarchate in Damascus; (10) Hebrews of two rites; (11) Bulgarian 
Catholics attached to the Bulgarian Exarch; (12) Maronites; and (13) 
Nestorians.[1] Scholars who studied the pluralistic social structure 
outlined briefly above, concluded that the social order of the Ottoman 
Empire fit the framework of the 'Mosaics Theory.'[2] 

[1] N. Sousa, "The Capitulatory Regime of Turkey, its History, Origin and
    Nature," (Baltimore, 1933).
[2] C. S. Coon, Caravan: "The Story of the Middle East," (New York, 1951),
    p. 162 and H. A. R. Gibb/H. Bowen, "Islamic Society and the West: A
    Study of the Impact of Western Civilization on Moslem Culture in the
    Near East," (Oxford, 1951).

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.greek,talk.politics.soviet,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: The worst kind of simpleminded, heartrending "kacik-drivel" imaginable.
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:45:15 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <9211162021@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:



+>"Us"? So you figured out "you" were a product of human ignorance. 
+>After unsuccessful bloody uprisings in 1895 (25,000 Muslim women, 
+>children and elderly people were ruthlessly slaughtered by the 
+>Armenians in Zeytun) and 1909, the revolutionaries' chance came in 
+>1914, when Russia went to war with the Ottoman Empire. 

	The Ottoman Empire went to War with Russia, not the other
way around.  Who allowed the German ships into a turkish port.  Who
allowed those ships to go out into the Black sea and bombard the
Russian coast.  Or do you really believe that Enver's intention 
was not to go to war.   And not just a war, a "holy" war declaired
by the sultan/Caliph.





+>Armenian leaders carried out their previously declared intention of 
+>attacking the Ottoman Empire while it was engaged in war. At the outset 
+>they developed a plan for an Empire-wide revolt for the purpose of 
+>undermining the Ottoman war effort and enabling Russia to occupy the 
+>lands claimed by the Armenians. 

	OR to put it another way, the turkish armies facing Russia 
collapsed because of their own incompetent leadership. 
The Turks could not be responsible for this disaster, so the armenian
"stab in the back" is invented.  Every turk is up at the front and
thousands of Armenians are everywhere <even though they are according
to turks a very small minority everywhere> killing and disrupting
the "war effort".
From: ay00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ALI YILDIRIM)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: FTP-sites, Turkish ".GIF"-pictures?
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:44:51 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov17.130801.22096@kth.se>, hilmi-er@dsv.su.se writes:
>
>Hi!
>
>I wonder if anybody
>knows ftp sites where i can
>get turkish  ".GIF"-pictures, etc ?
>
>Please mail me the adress to
>the site and login.
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Hilmi Eren
>Department Of Computer And Systems Science
>Stockholm Universty, Sweden
>INTERNET: Hilmi-er@dsv.su.se
>

I am interested in those ftp sites, too.
-- 


   +===============================+=======================================+
   | Ali YILDIRIM                  |  "Programs expand to fill the memory  |
   | ay00@lehigh.edu               |   available to hold them."            |
   | ay00@pl122b.eecs.lehigh.edu   |                      Parkinson's Law  |
   | ayildiri@toto.csee.lehigh.edu |                                       |
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Let the Jews speak for themselves.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 21:57:22 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <By0prt.F76@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> iptsiant@techfak.uni-bielefeld.de (Panagiotis Tsiantopoulos) writes:

>Kala, oti o anthropos autos einai malakas, den chreiazetai na to apodikseis!!
>To kserei olos o kosmos!!

  <<The leader of the Ashkenazi community of Corlu complained to the
  president of AIU [Alliance Israelite Universelle] in 1902 about
  persistent Greek attacks against its Jewish quarter:

    ''The fanatic Greeks of our city, as of other places in Thrace,
    have the habit of, contrary to the spirit of real Christianity,
    making a replica of Judas Iscariote and of burning it on the night
    of Holy Saturday. They construct a wooden figure, cover it with
    clothing which they claim is that of the ancient Jews, and they
    burn it publicly in the middle of a multitude of the ignorant and
    the fanatic. It often happens that this multitude, already excited
    by the tales of the suffering of Christ that has been made to them
    at the Church, is exaulted at the appearance of the execution of he
    who is supposed to have betrayed Christ, and works up a great anger
    against the Jews...For a long time we have known that each year,
    on such a day, they will cut off the heads and arms of the corpses
    in our cemetery and will burn them with great solemnity. We make
    no complaint about this in order not to create differences between
    the two communities. But this audacious madness of these fanatics
    has increased. We ourselves see the flames and hear the cries of
    hatred and vengeance against the Jews.''[42]>>

[42] Ashkenazi Community, Corlu, to AIU no.8783, 2 May 1902, in AIU
     Archives (Paris) II C 8, with report printed in El Tiempo of 1 May 1902.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history,soc.culture.soviet
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: A question for Mutlu
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:09:40 EST
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <1992Nov17.073603.19018@news.columbia.edu> jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood) writes:

>Do you any other things you like to contribute. (Ie your thoughts
>about Kudsi Erguner, Umm Kulthum, Beethoven....). Absoltuely
>anything else....
>Your Good Friend

Thanks. But, what will it do for him if I say no? If I say yes?


Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: mot@acsu.buffalo.edu (mustafa o tanrikulu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: An old news and a question...
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:18:04 GMT
Organization: UB
Originator: mot@ozan4.eng.buffalo.edu


Hi everybody,

The following news article is quite interesting even though it is about
an accident which happened 10 years ago. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Article: 11762 of clari.news.military
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Gagging at the mess of "visser the revisionist"s lies.
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:12:30 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <14676.2b0672bb@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> viznyuk@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes:

+>  Wait a moment, Mutlu. Isn't Turkish goverment just completing
+>the final solution of Kurdish question by exterminating
+>Kurds in Northern Iraq and Eastern Turkey, eh ?

	Long-time Multu experts know that those in northern Iraq are
mostly Turks.  And Kurds in Turkey itself have no problem as long
as they become turkified in language and habits.  All Kurds really
want to become turks in their hearts anyway....any Kurd who says
otherwise is part of the international communist conspiracy lead
from Moscow.

	[This is as best I remember Multu's last rant on Kurds and
Iraq.  If the great man wishes to correct anything, I invite him
to.  I think I captured the overall ideology and facts as 
expressed by him though.
From: emev02@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Oral)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Fwd: Why God Never Received Tenure at the University (fwd)
Date: 23 Nov 92 09:26:01 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <sf3d8T200WB=ASqZlQ@andrew.cmu.edu> mustafa+@CMU.EDU (Mustafa Unlu) writes:

>Cc: yavsaks@Athena.MIT.EDU



>> Why God Never Received Tenure at the University 
>> ----------------------------------------------- 
>> 1. Because He had only one major publication. 
>> 2. And it was in Hebrew. 
                    ^^^^^^

It is obvious that this is not written by someone who has had 
a privilege of having read the ORIGINAL message which is
in Arabic.

Clue: Jesus(pbuh) used to speak in Aramaic, NOT Hebrew.

hamid
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: KAPTAN KUSTO NASIL MUSLUMAN OLDU? (genel
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:08:21 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

[ KAPTAN KUSTO MASALI SILINDI]  
  
   Sirf ornek olmasi icin bir de Kaya'nin bilimsel gozlemlerinden bir ornek  
   sunaliiiiiim:  
>   
>  Sirf ornek olmasi icin bir de Kuran'daki bilimsel gozlemlerden bir ornek  
>  daha sunayim. Buradan da Kuran'in nasil da gun gectikce genclestigini ve  
>  anlasilabilir hale geldigini kavrayalim. Allah'in varligina kanit olarak  
>  sunulan ve ibret alinmasi istenen gozlem Furkan suresinde geciyor:  
>   
>    Furkan Suresi  
>    54 Insani sudan yaratarak, ona soy sop veren Odur. Rabbin herseye kadirdi
  
'insan' degil 'beser'  
     54 Beseri sudan yaratarak, ona soy sop veren Odur. Rabbin herseye kadirdi
  
>   
>   Deniliyor ki, Allah insani sudan yaratmistir. Simdi bir baska ayete bakali
  
Hayir denmiyor...  
  
>    Hicr Suresi  
>    25 And olsun ki, insani kuru balciktan, islenebilen kara topraktan yaratt
  
Sen simdi bilimsel olarak Kuran'i boyle mi gozluyorsun....  
yok yoksa yeni bir bible icat etme cabalari icindemisin ?  
Hey Man when you grep grep it with both hands :->  
  
>   Simdi, bu ayet ile, Insanin aratilirken Islamcilarin sevdigi kivamda  
>   bir balcik kullanilmadigi anlasiliyor. (Yani bol sulu, Furkan suresini  
>   onaylayan) Allah insani kuru Balciktan mi yoksa sudan mi yaratti? Kuru   
>   balcigin icinde hangi oranlarda su bulunmaktaydi. Kimse bilmiyor. Gorunen 
>   o ki, bu olayi Allah dahi pek hatirlamiyor? Ustune ustluk and bile iciyor.
  
Allah degil Ocu  
  
>   Kuran'i ve ayetleri Muhammed'in uydurdugu acikca gorulmektedir.  
  
"Kuran" degil "Kaya-bible"  
Muhammedin degil senin uydurdugun acikca gorulmektedir.  
Bu gozle gidersen Kitabi gozlemeye.....y......mi gidersin attaya...  
  
>   saygilarimla  
>   ------------  
>   kaya
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 13:51:02 -0500 
From: Mustafa Unlu <mustafa+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Ata-Turk - Trator or Ok dude?
	<1992Nov20.142643.6344@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

frasyid@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Fuadi Rasyid) writes:

> 
> > Is there a resurgence of Islamic identity amongst Turks
> > young/old?
> 
> Yes, most of the honest young Turks have been trying to find their
> original identity again, though there is an intensive discouraging
> campaigns against it.
> 

I guess most of those "young, honest" Turks are now at Ohio-state,
huh? Is that how you know so much about Turkey? Or did you spend some
time there actually?


> He has destroyed not only his nation but also islamic world.
> Some of his believers probably will tell that he saved the country
> but it is questionable. There was so many capable people to do that
> mission but they were eleminated by colonialist at that time. He
> was imposed as only savior.
> 
> How? Let's elaborate what he had done;
>
> 8- After getting the power, he always tried to discredit islam
>    although he had known a good muslim during the independence war.
>    (This helps to explain some claims made against him)
> 9- He left the turkish and other muslims helpless who lived outside
>    of the borders saying peace in nation- peace in the world. Does not
> matter they assault, humiliate or kill you, just peace cowardly.
> There is a claim that he was a british spy and
> trained for this special purpose. Not true muslim or honest turk 
> would say that what he did was right.
> F.R.

Of course he was a British spy, and one of his eyes was false, so
that's why he was called "Camgoz" by the late Ayetullah Humeyni...

But Humeyni himself was a British spy, too... Else why spend so many
years there? No doubt he was being educated on how to attack Iraq and
propagate division among Muslim brothers (He was a munafigh and a
zindigh). He just gained credibility by rating and raving about the
other great British spy (long dead now- so his reputation is no longer
important to the cause). No true and honest Iranian or Iraqi could say
that what he did was right... Right?

Get a life brother...
M.
From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
Subject: Clemson Universitesindekilere....
Originator: senel@irlsp
Organization: Insulting, Ridiculing, Forwarding Inc.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:02:19 GMT


Selam,

Clemson Universitesindeyseniz veya orada olan bir Turk tanidiginiz 
varsa, lutfen bana e-mail gonderin. 

e-mail adresim : senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu

Tesekkurler 

Hakan
-- 
___
God made the Idiot for practice, and then He saw that Asbest Bedrossian 
was born. He said "well, this seems pretty coooool."  -Hakan Senel 1992
From: suley@bilbo.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Subject: Re: 40LAR 7LER  
Reply-To: suley@bilbo.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 12:37:16 GMT

In article <10292325.58942.19770@kcbbs.gen.nz>,
Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) writes:
>   

	[ ... ]
>   
> > > HAH-HAA !! ;-> AT MAT OLDU...  
> [Suleyman burasi da Celik Bilek'ten]
  
	Burada AT'lara ne gererk var ESEKLER bolken.
	Ulu ATA'dan sozetmeye ne gerek. Yobaz liderler bolken
	ESEKLER ki herkesin AT'a binmek istedigini sanarak
	paranoyak ruyalar gorur. Ben Turkiye'ni AT uyesi olmasini
	istemiyorum bir kere. Buraya koyacak ascii-face' im yok.



> AT'LAR HAZIR BILEK !  
> AT'TA'ya gitmenin tam havasi !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: S.Kondakci'nin DIN'i  
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:40:51 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

  
> Gercek inanan kisi evindede ibadet eder camiide boy gostermez, zaten  
> gostermelik dincilik cok ulkede.  
(gercek-inanan-kisi,ibadet,ev,cami,boy-gostermek,gostermelik,dincilik,ulke)  
  
> Bunu bilmek gerek:  
> - Hic bir zaman ilim din kanaliyala elede edilmemis.  
(ilim,din,elde-etmek)  
  
>   Dusun ronesansi; ilim kendi bagimsizligini ancak  
>   halkin ilmi dinden ayri olarak aydin bir tarzda  
>   kavramasiyla olmus.  
(ronesans,ilim,bagimsizlik,halk,din,aydin,kavramak)  
  
> - Hicbir din hic bir sekilde simdiye kadar hic bir   
>   toplumu teknolojik ve politik kalkinmaya goturmemeis.  
(din,toplum,teknolojik,politik,kalkinma)  
  
> - Ok. Isteyen dinin gerktirdigini yapabilir. Ama unutmayalim ki  
>   her seyi din icin yapmakta sadece narkotik bir aliskanlik  
>   ve tembellik yaratir halk arasinda.   
(Ok,din,gerek,narkotik,aliskanlik,tembellik,yaratmak,halk)  
  
> Selam getirmisem  
> S.Kondakci  
  
Sevgili kardesim Suleyman,  
  
"din" hakkinda buyuk vazi-nasihatte bulunmadan once, bir kendinizin ve  
bir de Allah'in bu "din" kelimesini nasil kullandigini bir karsilastirsaniz,  
acaba nasil olur ? Belki boylece hem siz, hem de biz haybeye bacak  
sallamamis oluruz :-) Hic bu senin "din"'inin Allah'in "din"'ine uzaktan  
yakindan benzer bir yanini gorebiliyormusun ? Eger gorebiliyorsan bize de  
bir goster de aydinlanalim :-)   
  
Bir baska deyisle; farzet ki sen bu "din"'ini Allah'in "din"'ine rakip  
olarak pazara surdun, boyle bir "din"'e alici cikar mi saniyorsun ?  
Simdi sen bu "din"'ini nasil satacaksin ? Sen zannediyormusun ki alici  
bu senin "din"'inle Allah'in "din"'ini karsilastirmadan hemen parayi  
bastirip senin "din"'ini aliverecek ? Sen aliciyi "keriz" mi sanirsin ?  
Bu mal(!!?)'la pazara cikma, rezil olursun. Iste biz sizin gibi az gelismis  
mallari yabanci piyasalara surenler yuzunden dis-pazar kaybediyoruz :->  
  
Ey Benim Kardesim Suleyman,  
soylediklerimi bu dunya pazarlarinda iflasa dusmemen icin soylenmis  
dost sozleri olarak kabul et, dost aci soyler.  
  
Soyle bana simdi Suleyman;  
sen simdi bu "din"'le AT'TA'ya nasil girersin ?  
  
ben de;   
> Selam getirmisem  
  
Marco Pasha.  
  
Vur kazmayi daga Ferhat  
Cogu gitti, azi kaldi.  
Kisne kirAT, kisne kirAT  
Cogu gitti, azi kaldi.  
                NFK  
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From: mzf@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Firat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: News/Haber--Soccer
Date: 18 Nov 92 12:15:06 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University


The Turkish under-21 team won the football match against England at
Reading. The final score is 0-1.

Mehmet