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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 14:53:26 EDT
From: <SAYED@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan
Subject: Re: HEADLINE NEWS


In article <1992Jul25.013523.14958@zeus.franklin.edu>, amir@zeus.franklin.edu
(Amir Taghavi) says:
>U.N. DIPLOMAT COMMITS SUICIDE IN PAKISTAN
>
>ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (JULY 21) UPI - The United Nations confirmed Tuesday that
>one of its diplomats, a U.S. national, committed suicide over the weekend at
>the hotel where she was staying.
>
>Catherine Koza, 26, worked for the World Food Program in Kabul and was
>transfered to Islamabad earlier this month, a U.N. spokesman said.
>
>She had worked in Islamabad before and came to the region from Geneva,
>Switzerland, where she was attached to the U.N. humanitarian and economic
>assistance program for Afghanistan.
>
>Although Koza died Sunday, local police did not discover her body until Monday
>the U.N. spokesman said.
>
>Police said Koza hanged herself with a bed sheet. Officials of the U. S.
>Embassy in Islamabad said they had contacted Koza's parents in the United
>States and were arranging to send her body home.
>

Did they say why she did this???  I mean I lived in Pakistan for about
a year and it wasn't that bad to make me kill my self.


Sayed.
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: People and Ideas (was: Re: Civil War)
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:49:45 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <1992Jul30.123802.6375@fmg.bt.co.uk> ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani) writes:

> People do not represent ideas.  People may represent race, ethnicity, colour
> and so on.  These are in-born and unchangeable.  But ideas are changeable.  If
> you ridicule a race then you are ridiculing a people.  The same is true of
> colour and ethnicity.  But ideas are not in this category.  You may change your
> idea or any other acquired features and be the same person, but you may not
> change your in-born characteristics, ok?

> It is a fallacy to equate anti-nazism or anti-zionism with racism.  The same is
> true of any other anti-xyz-ism (including anti-racism!)  

Just to clear a point before somebody is carried away...

By "anti-xyz-ism" I meant anti-(xyz-ism) which is quite different from
(anti-xyz)-ism!

-hossein
From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Anti-Islamic Slogans=Anti-Khomeinist????
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:45:13 GMT
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada




     In article: <3638@keele.keele.ac.uk> phd21@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A. Jaber)
writes:

>>Subject: Iran stops Pakistani train carrying 'anti-Islamic slogans'

>>	ATHENS, Greece (UPI) -- Iran stopped a passenger train on its border
>>with Pakistan and prevented it from entering the country because it
>>carried ``anti-Islamic slogans,'' the official Islamic Republic News
>>Agency said Monday.

                  [stuff deleted]

>	The Wahhabis are as criminals as the Ithna Ashre Sect of
>	Khomeinsism.


     Very good proof of Mr. Advocator of Peace by Scud missiles'
Anti-Shiism. Poor guy is so foolish that does not know Ithna Ashari
Shi'a has been in existence at least since 1350 years before the
age of Late Imam Khomeini.

>A Jaber


Mohammad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: Father of U.S. swimmer dies at Olympics
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 13:51:53 GMT

	BARCELONA, Spain (UPI) -- The father of U.S. swimmer Ron Karnaugh died
of a heart attack during Saturday night's Olympic opening ceremonies
while cheering the American team as it paraded into the stadium.
	Peter Karnaugh, of Maplewood, N.J., was 60. A spokesman for the
Barcelona Olympic Organizing Committee said Karnaugh was taken to the
stadium clinic after he collapsed.
	His wife and daughters rushed to his aid and Karnaugh received
emergency treatment from the stadium's medical personnel, but was
declared dead by a Spanish doctor.
	``Nothing was said last night due to the wishes of the swimmer's
mother and sisters,'' said Pedro Palacios, a spokesman for the
organizers. ``The mother went to the athletes' village this morning to
break the sad news to her son.''
	The U.S. Olympic Committee said Ron Karnaugh did not take part in the
opening ceremonies. It is believed the swimmer told his coach, Terry
Stoddard, that he will compete at the Games.
	There was no immediate comment from the USOC or U.S. swim team.
Palacios said the local organizers sent a condolence note to the
swimmer.
	The New Jersey suburb of Maplewood has followed Ronald Karnaugh's
career with great enthusiasm. He is the town's first Olympian and
residents raised $25,000 to help him and his family make the trip to
Barcelona.
	Peter Karnaugh died just two days before his son, who celebrated his
26th birthday last week, is scheduled to swim in four events in which
the United States stands a good chance for a gold medal.
	Ron Karnaugh's first competition is Monday in the 4 x 200-meter
freestyle relay. His other events are the 4 x 100 freestyle relay, 4 x
100 medley relay and 200 individual medley. He won the 200 individual
medley at the recent U.S. Olympic trials and holds the world's third
fastest time in the discipline.
	All of Karnaugh's swim events come in the next five days. The United
States won the three relays at the 1988 Seoul Games.
	After the Olympics, Ron Karnaugh is to become a medical student at
the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey.


-- 
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mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu                          Amir Taghavi

  =-=-=  The official .signature of the 1992 Barcelona Olympics. =-=-=
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Subject: Re: Iran stops Pakistani train carrying 'anti-Islamic slogans'  
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:00:47 GMT



    In article: <4628@daily-planet.concordia.ca> ilyess@athena.concordia.ca
(Ilyess bdira) writes:


>In article <sehari.712280305@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak >Sehari) writes:
>--
>>The news is sent to me by Mr. Amir Taghavi:
>>From: Amir Taghavi <mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>>
>>Subject: Iran stops Pakistani train carrying 'anti-Islamic slogans'
						==========
>>

>>	IRNA said the slogan-writing was the work of Wahabis, an Islamic
						============


>I am sorry to say that..
>I am no fan of Saddam, Rafsanjani, or Saudi fat Sheikhs..
>right now, I respect only one government (and I still have objections
>over some of its domestic policies). The government of Sudan.


    And very interstingly, western powers are accusing and puting political
and economical pressures on the same Iran because of supporting and so-called
"sending Revolutionary Guards to the same Sudan to train Sudanis"!!!

Mohammad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: **** Australian citizens kidnapped by Malaysian Prince ****
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:17:13 GMT



In a previous article, eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) says:


>>I am still here. Why don't you swear some more. Let us see who are the
>>fools.

Even fools don't consider their "Sultans a kind of race". 

I doubt I'll be here. I rest my case.


>>Raja Baharin was in Indonesia. He could have used boats, for a rich prince,
>>he should have used rented planes. He is reported to be an architect and one
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You mean you concur with me?

>>of the nephews of Sultan of Trengganu, not known to be rich. Sultan of Johor
>>and Pahang are more aggressive and richer. He must be working for JKR, and I
>>know how much he is paid, not much.


Please stop speculating on this issue. You and I and the rest of the world
knows that you know peanuts!!! Weren't you the one who said that the prince
was already safely back home in Malaysia like immediately after fleeing
Australia? I stand corrected.



>>Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
>>Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
>>Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
>>Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet


ATAN
Race: Blue Blood NOT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay)
Subject: Re: Social Development Unit (Re : was Sins of Singapore)
Organization: CSA Research, Singapore
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 03:14:35 GMT

ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk writes:
>>harish@csar.uucp (Harish Pillay) writes:
>> Apologies for not making the above clear.  The Visa card scheme is for 
>> people who are Raffles alumni.  Everytime a person uses the card, 
>> Standard Chartered gives 1% (I think) of what was spent to a fund set 
>> aside for scholarships. That way, the alumni can continue contributing 
>> to the school long after leaving school.  I think this is a neat idea 
>> that should be explored by other schools. 

>I think that the 1% of the amount spent will go into the scholarship fund is
>incorrect.  This is because the bank charges the retailer (i.e. a discount)
>between 1.5% to 3%.  For example, when UOB launched their Visa card, in
>order to get their merchants (term used in the credit card business to mean
>retailers that accept credit card and sell at a discount to the bank), a
>figure of about 1.6-1.8% were charged.  A similar cost structure was introduced
>by DBS when they launched their Visa cards.  Incidentally, American Express
>charges the highest discount (as much as 6% on the transaction).

Well, I just called up Standard Chartered (+65-227-7662) and verified that
indeed there is an amount of money that SC gives to ORA for the scholarship
scheme.  The nice lady at the end of the phone, however, could not confirm
what percentage it is, saying that it is confidential.  In any case, I recall
reading somewhere that it was 1% (maybe it is 0.5%).

Enjoy.
--
Harish Pillay |                  |    Internet:   harish%csar@uunet.uu.net
Singapore     | +65-775-0224 (w) |"Psst!  Wanna buy some mint-flavoured gum?"
From: txd07@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: othman... tsk...tsk...tsk.
Reply-To: txd07@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 03:51:47 GMT


'Lo there everyone.

	I, as a Muslim, will defend encik Othman's honour as a Muslim, and
if the needs arises, then let me die for defending Othman's faith, as a
Muslim. In fact, I will readily surrender my life, (ALLAH's willing), for
the sake of a bad chinese journalist, as long as he/she is a Muslim.

	Thus encik Othman, please don't embarass me in this net for trying
to defem
       nd a fellow Muslim like you who couldn't control his anger, acting
like a 30-yrs-old who have yet to reach his puberty.

	Believe me, I would LOVE to bash you after your remarks on the
chinese journalists, but since you're a Muslim, I refrain myself from
doing. Don't you know that there are more than 100 million Muslim Chinese
in Mainland China? They are know as Hui. Please be careful on your words,
your actions and an yourself. One of this day your mouth might kill you,
y'know. With your present attitude, I don't think you're going to stay
long in NTU. If you do, then your superiors there must be some really
retarded people.

	We as a Muslim ar suppose to be know for our 'akhlak baik' (good
moral behaviour),  and countless other good things. But if keep displaying
that attitude of yours, we are not going to go anywhere.




Abu Syafiq.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: 1998 Commonwealth Games in KL?
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:36:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.143614.6032@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> chuah@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (DanC) writes:
|In article <1992Jul21.232917.6070@newsroom.utas.edu.au> u925979@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Hee Poh) writes:
|>Is anyone willing to report about the above news?
|
|Confirmed.  I just read in the newspapers that the next commonwealth games
|will be held in KL.  We beat Australia in the biddings.  I suppose KL
|ought to improve her traffick situation by then.  It is very important
|for Malaysia to show the rest of the world what we are made of.

Yeah. Mahathir should probably start checking the cleanliness of 
Malaysian toilets, just like he did during the meeting of Commonwealth
Heads of Government in KL.

:-)    ;-)      8^)



--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________|
From: espca@warwick.ac.uk (Quah Yow-Chun)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: OLYMPIC REMINDER
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:40:45 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, Warwick University, UK


Cool !! Okay !! All my buddies !
 
l'm the original poster of this OLYMPLIC REMINDERS. l have no intention to
mislead the publics.

l would like to apologise if l have beguiled you !  

Anyway, lets bygone be bygone. 


Quah Yow-Chun.




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From: ciar04@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Olympics Opening Ceremony
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:27:00 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

In article <1992Jul26.170112.17051@menudo.uh.edu>, acsm1@menudo.uh.edu (Reza Hussein) writes:

> Did anyone notice the obnoxious NBC newscasters who kept downplaying small and
> insignificant countries as they walked into the stadium in their remarks? When
> Brunei's small contingent came in, one of them commented that "The only event
> that they [Brunei] are going to compete is the BUFFET!" Fortunately, they
> gave more credit to Malaysia's delegates. But still the only camera shots of
> the team was only of Razif Sidek who was the flag bearer. The audience at home
> couldn't even see the entire team.
> 
> Anyone catch it over cable? Better coverage?

Over here, the BBC coverage was slightly better.  They commented for
instance the Singapore team as "just here to have a good time".

The most impressive part of the ceremony I feel must be the lighting of the
Olympic flame by the archer.  He must have put in lots of practice.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: staudt@physik.uni-kl.de (Willi Staudt AG-Linder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Indonesia & Olympia
Date: 28 Jul 92 11:13:34 GMT
Reply-To: staudt@physik.uni-kl.de (Willi Staudt AG-Linder)
Organization: University of Kaiserslautern (Germany)


Hello!

This is for a friend of mine who has no net access!
As we watched the Olympic Opening Ceremony together, he was surprised on how
many
sportlers from Indonesia are going to participate in the Olympic Games. He sure
knew about the men's Badminton Team. As the tv news coverage of the asian teams
is very poor here in Germany he would like to know which sportlers are
participating in which disciplines and how well they come off.

	Thanks Willi

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: u913569@bruny.cc.utas.edu.au (*** Dodo Cheng ***)
Subject: Re: Malaysian Prince - What Really happened
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 04:42:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.034800.20048@newsroom.utas.edu.au>, u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia) writes:
> 
> Okay, I don't know what really happened. I do know that a lot of the arguement
> going on is speculation based on the wrong facts. It appears now that all the
> people who believed that the Prince and his children are 'safe and happy' in
> Malaysia are mistaken. Apparently, they are now in Indonesia. If its true, it
> will complicate matters even more. Also, the news(in Australia) inferred that
> the Malaysian government/courts has got involved and claims jurisdiction and
> issued custody of the children to the father. I also heard that the Singaporean
> media ran an article where the Prince's mother said that her son took his
> children away from Australia because they were about to be baptised as
> Christians. Incredibly, the people with the least to say on the matter is the
> Australian AND Malaysian governments. Perhaps, they are still trying to figure
> out what happened.
> 
> If we looked at the plain 'facts(?)' of case, it appears to be a simple 
> domestic dispute. A man and woman got married. A man and a woman had two kids.
> A man and a woman got divorced. The woman got custody of the kids. The man
> got visitation rights. The man got unhappy with the way his kids were being
> raised. The man took his kids away. The woman raised a fuss and is trying to
> get her kids back. This cannot be the first time there has been a custody
> dispute in Australia, nor the first time a parent(mother or father)
> has defied a court order with respect to their children. However, the media 
> chose to sensationalise the matter. The mother and step-father of the children
> said they did not want a media circus but thats what has happened. Speculation
> is rife - people asserting that the girl would be circumcised and mutilated,
> that they stole out of Australia in the best traditions of spy movies, that
> they are hiding in Malaysia 'protected' by an evil Malaysian government - 
> perhaps now Ross Perot would be involved in this soap opera by hiring someone 
> to rescue the two kids.
> 
> Relations between Australia and Malaysia, two SouthEast Asian neighbours have
> been strained enough recently without the need for more bad feeling. So far,
> this domestic dispute has only involved INDIVIDUAL nationals. Just because
> one Malaysian punches an Aussie or vice versa does not mean that both countries
> are at war. Similarly, just because a Malaysian man is presently involved in a
> domestic dispute with an Australian woman over THEIR children is no reason for
> an international dispute and war-paint - not yet anyway. Damn! this is beginning
> to sound like a sermon.
> 
> Edmund 
> 
> 

I fully agree with Edmund. This is just a normal domestic dispute.........there's
no point making a big fuss about it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*** Dodo Cheng ***
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: akster@leland.Stanford.EDU (Aki Shoji)
Subject: Re: Hwa Chong's not that bad!
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 21:55:52 GMT

In article <gJeaoB1w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> vickeong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Jiun-Wen Keong) writes:
>cheu@neptune.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
>
>> In article <l6n0h7INN240@nyquist.usc.edu>, goh@nyquist.usc.edu (K.C.Goh) writ
>> |> In article <1992Jul20.234623.18455@leland.Stanford.EDU> akster@leland.Stan
>> |> >
>> |> >	[Stuff deleted]
>> |> >
>> |> >the quality of teaching.  I've gone through schools in Singapore as well
>> |> >as 2 in the U.S. and can count very few good teachers (mostly at Stanford
>> |> >Law School).  I thought the worst were those at Hwa Chong JC.
>> |>                              ^^^^^               ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> |> >
>> |> >E. Yap
>> |> >
>> |>  (STUFF DELETED)
>
>I cannot believe there are people out there who actually tries to 
>discredit HCJC after spending two years there. Granted the buildings were 
>falling apart and we never had a place to sit during the peak lunch hours 
>in the canteen; but my experiences at HCJC wee definitely most fruitful. 
>And I definitely do not understand why HCJC's quality of teaching can be 
>doubted when Hwa Chong consistently produced the most number of 4 As 
>students annually! I still remember vividly how Bernard Fong used to wave 
>his hands and conduct the singing of the National Anthem during 
>assemblies..............................
>
>vickeong@student.business.uwo.ca (Victor Jiun-Wen Keong)
>Western Business School  --  London, Ontario

To begin with, I doubt that the number of 4 A students is directly caused
by the quality of teaching.  I am certain that my friends at ACS who got
8 or 9 A1s at the O Levels would have done so regardless of the quality
of teaching (wasn't that hot at ACS either).  And no matter which JC
they chose to go to, they would have excelled - as it turned out, 
many of them came to HCJC where they repeated their earlier academic 
success.

In any case, formal academic excellence does not imply educational
excellence.  Education is about teaching an approach, an attitude.
Test-taking should only be one part of the experience.  The trouble 
with the educational system in Singapore is that that one aspect
has become way too predominant.  Even when students get to the 
University level, they seem more concerned with what will be
on the exam than with learning basic concepts. (Irks the hell
out of the Professors - as least some of them).



E. Yap

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: OLYMPICS IN MALAYSIA ????
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:17:23 GMT

gting@fraser.sfu.ca (Gabriel Sii Kuok Ting) writes:

>>  That's 18 million realize (plural verb). I see nothing wrong with
>                     ^^^^^^^
>That's ALL 18 million realise... :) Personally I would have preferred 
>"recognise". ;)

"REALIZE"+"RECOGNIZE".... ;-)  Thank you for the American spelling... :-)

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