From: agri@pa.itd.com (Howard)
Newsgroups: rec.games.mud.misc,rec.games.mud.tiny,rec.games.mud
Subject: Re: TinyFUGE and JIVE (plus a bit more)
Date: 3 Sep 92 15:37:44 GMT
Organization: Space Remote Sensing Center

>Subject: Re: TinyFUGE and JIVE
>
>savoia@sw.stratus.com (Rick Savoia) writes...
>Howard,
>If this is your .sig you might want to consider toning it down a bit.  
>That's a lot of wasted bandwidth and some people don't have the luxury
>of a company or a school to pay for this.  
>Rick

Oh, My humblest apologies for wasting your prescious bandwith!  As if this
entire newsgoup is the most usefull one on the network.  I stand abashed before
your effort to save the public money!  (Ever think about becomming a 
politicain?)

>hawkeye@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Ken Keys - TF Dude) writes...
>Note the corrected spelling of the subject line.  TinyFUGUE.

Oh, sorry.  I think I flunked spelling in grade school.

>I'll agree with you there, it is a HACK.  Very easy to crash as well.
>
>>Its the latest version of TinyFUGE 2.0-6 BETA  with a simple text filter
>>implemented called jive.  You can subistitue valspeak instead of jive.
>
>Both of which have already been done to death.
>
>There was no need to hack TF to do this.  The same method Howard used in 
>the C code could be implemented in TF macros.
>
>There was also no need to repost the entire source code (especially in
>a tar file which doesn't expand in a subdirectory).  A patch file, or
>just the affected source files would have been more than sufficient.
>
>Also, please add your name to the version number if you feel the need
>to mutilate my code.  I don't want to be blamed for your ugly hacks.

# (silly .sig deleted to save Mr. Savoia's bandwith)! #

>Not bad, as a joke.  But I wouldn't be suprised if Howard actually went
>by these rules, after seeing this hack and hearing the horror stories
>about what he's done to server code.

Also chupchup@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Robert Earl) writes...

>| I spent about 10 minutes last night working on a cute hack.  Note I said
>| HACK!!  On ferkel.ucsb.edu in pub/mud/incoming is a file named tf.jive.tar.Z
>
>...which contains the entire TF distribution, of some unknown version.
>Umm, wouldn't it be easier on everyone to distribute this hack as a
>context diff?  Why should the ftp site here have to carry the baggage
>of a whole different TF distribution just for a 10-minute hack?
>
>By the way, I understand that something like this is pretty easy to do
>in TF itself, at least in 2.0 or greater.  In other words, why bother?

Oh the GODS have spoken.  I'm not WORTHY!!!  I'm not WORTHY!  How could I
ever think I could walk with the GOD of clients and the GOD of MUCK???  I
must REPENT of my sins!  I BEG of your forgivness!  PLEASE continue to show
me the SINS I've commited!  I BEG of you to teach me your holy ways of
coding!  My feeble attempts are nothing compared with your greatness!  I stand
deeply ashamed of having EVER uploaded anything to ferkel.  I beg Jim Lick's
forgivness for having put such tripe on his server!  I'm nothing but a mere
mortal, unknowing of the deep and holy mysteries of TF macros.  I must attempt
to purify myself and delve into these mysteries if the GODs so wish.  I must
never modify GOD Ken's software, I repent of all my sins against GOD Chupchup
for ever having modified his server!  I am nothing....

Hah ha ha ha ha ha ha!   Man you 3 guys made my entire day! I havn't had
a REALLY good laugh since that dweeb posted his flame to r.g.m to see how
many responses he would get!

Howard edits his KILL file and walks away still laughing.  I sleep well at 
night despite the "horror stories" of my hacks.  No one ever ASKED you to use 
them.  Nor did anyone to my knowledge ASK for your comments about them.  Jim,
if your are reading this, feel free to delete tf.jive.tar.Z, info*.tar.Z and
of course any Daemonmuck code laying around since I must have tainted that too!
I'll just keep running my server as I like.

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