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From: greg.roberts@dwarp.sccsi.com (Greg Roberts) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: CHP Beretta(!) sighte
Date: 10 Dec 92 22:44:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Data Warp Premium BBS - Spring/Houston, TX - 713-355-6107
Reply-To: greg.roberts@dwarp.sccsi.com (Greg Roberts) 


JH}        When I was in Texas, I saw Camaros with low profile lights
JH}inside the car.  The cars were unmarked but the paint jobs were
JH}pretty simple (if you really looked you could tell they were police
JH}cars).
JH}        The scariest is when I was at the San Benadino police
JH}test facility.  Nissan donated to them several $100,000 worth
JH}of cars.  The have Infinity Q45s, J30s, and even a few 300ZXs
JH}with police lights (hidden and visible depending on the car).
JH}Most of the cars are black with gold police lettering -
JH}hard to distinguish from far away.  I would never
JH}suspect a Q45 or 300ZX to be a police car.

South Carolina has just purchased a fleet of BMW M5s for use as Highway
Patrol Vehicles.  They are being painted in the standard colors,
complete with light bars/bubble gum machines.  Part of the bargain the
state made to get the BMW plant there.

Dauphin Island, near Mobile, AL, has a Mercedes-Benz they confiscated
on a dope deal they use as a police car, again with two-tone paint &
light bar.
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From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: lidar (laser) stealth car
Keywords: laser, lidar, radar, speed, limit, detector
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:24:26 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA

In article <1992Dec14.142909.24020@microware.com> troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks) writes:
>Does anybody know if a black car reduces the effective
>range of lidar?  What about matt black?
>
    Isn't lidar an infra-red wavelength?  If so, then you'd need a
    paint job that reflects long wavelengths poorly...

>Does a bra with head-light covers reduce range?
>
    I dunno, maybe if someone on the net knows Madonna, you could
    ask her.  >:-)




Organization: Doctoral student, Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 11:17:20 -0500 
From: Steven Ritter <sr0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: DMV: Use fee
	<1992Dec10.153730.4358@donner.SanDiego.NCR.COM>
Distribution: na

irvr@tara.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Irv Robinson) writes:

>As you might know,
>states are not allowed to tax interstate trade, so the powers that be HAD
>to come up with a means to keep people from avoiding sales tax by 
>purchasing products in another state.  I suppose you could say California
>closed a loophole with a loophole.  There's even a line on the CA income
>tax form for Use Tax not paid at purchase time.

This is nonsense. Sales tax is typically owed to your home state, not
the state of purchase. If I'm from Pennsylvania and I buy a car in Ohio,
I pay sales tax to Pennsylvania, not Ohio. With large purchases (like
cars or expensive jewelry) the IRS will catch you.

There is a great example of this going on now. The IKEA (furniture
store) in New Jersey happens to be in a "urban enterprise zone," which
means that their sales tax is cut in half (to 3%). IKEA ran ads in the
New York subways (among other places) urging New Yorkers to go to Jersey
and avoid the 8.5% NYC tax. It is, of course, illegal for New Yorkers to
do so (they should pay 5.5% -- or maybe all 8.5% -- to NY city/state),
but everyone knows they won't be caught on a small purchase. The NY
state tax commisionner was not amused, however, and he put pressure on
the transit authority to stop running the ads in the subways. He just
needed to remind them how much public transportation depends on sales
tax revenue.

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From: sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund)
Subject: Re: classic rods
Organization: Lockheed Missiles and Space Co.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:34:25 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.213448.19914@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> bill@ecn.purdue.edu (Bill Drake) writes:
>In article <1gkrc2INN468@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>
>kreibema@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Michael A Kreiberg) writes:
>>Does anyone have an interest in the older automobile?
>>
>>I have a '56 chevy truck and a myriad of performance parts and accesories  
>>from the 60's
>>Including a complete 1967 350hp corvette motor.
>>
>>I would love to see more postings involving this era
>>
>
>There's a few of us. Check out "alt.autos.rod-n-custom" if you can get it.
>I've been looking for a 55-7 Chevy truck for a project, so just drop yours
>off at my house :-)  
>
>
>Bill Drake   -   bill@ecn.purdue.edu
>
>47 Ford Club Coupe////454/AT/3:00////  the "Fat Rat"
>69 Camaro convertible////327/AT/2:73


Bill - since some of us, especially me, can't get to alt.autos.rod-n-custom, 
  i'd love to get some mailings either from you or through
  John's group at    hotrod@dixie.com

  sharen

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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Stretch Hyundai
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:11:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1992Dec14.185927.90589@watson.ibm.com> anand@watson.ibm.com writes:
>I saw an amazing sight here in  NJ a while back:  A stretched Hyndai
>Excel. Looked quite cool. Jet black and tinted windows. I suppose a
>minor Mafia boss might get one assigned to him until he moved up to the
>big leagues. I can see the progression:
>Stretch Hyundai -> Stretch Camry -> Stretch Caddi -> Stretch Rolls

Over the years on the car press I've spotted a couple more stretches..

One was a VW Golf (YES!) Limo...

The other was a Fiero four door, built as a prototype at Pontiac
or as someone's pet project, not sure which. Looked pretty cool.

Spiros
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From: burns@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Steve Burns)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: SLICK 50 etal. Tested and declared useless.
Summary: My experience--worse than useless.
Keywords: Slick 50 engine damage!!!  What to do now?
Date: 18 Dec 92 19:26:54 GMT
Followup-To: burns@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu
Organization: U.C. Davis - Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science

Well, I have scanned the postings on this group about Slick 50 today,
and indeed found that my fears are well founded.  To the beginning:

Purchased Slick 50 and placed it into my 1979 Mazda GLC (at around 80
K miles).  Left it in for probably around 5K miles, which is longer
than the directions stated, I think.  Figured that more was better, or
at least it wouldn't hurt.  Apparently wrong, because car after first
subsequent oil change began to use up oil.  Prior to Slick 50, oil was
almost never added between oil changes.  Oil usage was very mimimal.
Since then--car is presently at about 95 K miles--oil usage has been
fairly heavy.  One especially bad period required adding a quart after
about 3 weeks of driving (I drive around 250-300 miles/week).
Presently, I have used up a quart in about the last 4K miles, or less.
It does appear that some gasket damage has occurred, and when I
mentioned this to a friend along with the observation that the oil
usage began right after the Slick 50 treatment, he told me that he had
read very bad reports on the stuff.  It was supposed to attack
gaskets, etc.  

At my last engine maintenance (90K service) I told them about the oil
usage and that it was likely related to the Slick 50.  They hadn't
heard anything negative about the product before, but after doing the
service they reported that the head gasket was changed and it was
where the oil leak problem had been.  Well, it is still leaking oil.

So, what now?  Can anyone tell me what gaskets (or other parts) may be
hurting, and what the best possible course of action is?  I hope not
to sink lots of money into this, but wish to keep the car running for
a few years more.  Thanks for any advice you may have, and please send
replies to my e-mail box directly.  It has been extremely slow using
the net from this site lately.  Thanks!!!

P.S.:  I had bought a second Slick 50 treatment to put into my wife's
1990 Caravan.  A previous poster stated that damage was sometimes seen
if the product was left in too long, or multiple treatments were done.
Would the consensus be to toss the unused bottle, or use it more
carefully?  

Lastly,  although I couldn't spot any previous postings on it, what
opinions are there on Tufoil?  I think its formulation is similar to
Slick 50 [Teflon particles in suspension], but it is designed to be
used continuously rather than every 50K miles.

Steve Burns
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: FORD TAURUS taillight RIPOFF!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:33:26 GMT

In article <r7!r1v+@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes:
>
>>>Am I the only one for which the concept of paying more for a daily
>>>driver than I did for my first house somehow rings bogus?
>
>>I hear the same rantings from my father-in-law.  This is 1 9 9 2.
>>It's soon ganna be 1 9 9 3.  It is not 1 9 7 0.  The average home today
>>costs over $100,000.  When my daily driver costs more than that, I'll know
>>I've hit it big, or it's 2050.  What's bogus about inflation?  Higher
>>standard of living?  And what's wrong with jellybean mobiles?  :^)
>
>An average house does NOT cost $100k anywhere except the left coast
>and some areas in the NE.  I can assure you that nice houses can be had
>in this area in the 70K range.  Starter houses can be had in the 30s.
>The house I bought in 1975 for 12k happens to be back on the market for


>John De Armond, WD4OQC               |Interested in high performance mobility?  
	In my area (National Capital Area) the average price of a home is well
above $100K, and it is neither the Left coast or in New England.  In the 
Raleigh, NC area, ~$90K is an average.  But isn't this rec.autos...


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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ellisk@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Michael K. Ellis)
Subject: Re: Ford Probe GT fuel type
Keywords: Probe fuel
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:05:38 GMT

smartin@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (steven.c.martin) writes:


>Does the new Ford Probe GT require premium fuel?

According to my owners manual, yes.  Dammit.

Dealer said that you can get by with 1 in 3 tanks being premium, the
other two being 'Unleaded Plus', but I'm not risking it.  Premium it is.

Dammit.

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ellisk@fido.colorado.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: mchaffee@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Real Life?!?! HA!!)
Subject: Re: Four wheel drive Autos
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:41:39 GMT

morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton) writes:

>In article <1gj56rINNkm0@uwm.edu> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:
>>In article <92349.151334CJOHNSON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <CJOHNSON@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>>>We are thinking of selling our 4 x 4 truck, and Prelude Honda auto. And buying
>>>a full time Four wheel Drive auto,some thing that is sporty and rides nice
>>>but has four wheel drive. What we want to know is who makes such a car. I think
>>>Audi does who else.
>>
>>--Subaru makes the Legacy Sports Sedan and Touring Wagon.  These are the high
>>
>>--Even better is the Subaru SVX, a two-door GT coupe.  It is Subaru's
>>
>>--The Mercedes 300E is another choice, if you want to spend $50K, but the  
>>  Audi V8 4.2 or the Audi S4 is a better bet for that kind of money.

>Aamir's recommendations are excellent. I might also add that the Legacy is
>available with an unblown 130 bhp variant of the flat four.

>Were you to shop in Canada, the BMW 325iX and Volkswagen Passat syncro G60
>would also meet your criteria.

Don't forget the Mitsu Eclipse/Eagle Talon/Plymouth Laser.  I can't speak for
the ride quality on these cars, having never driven one, but I hear nothing
but good reports on the performance and fun scale.
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From: mart@csri.toronto.edu (Mart Molle)
Subject: Re: AAA or US Auto Club
Distribution: misc
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:16:19 GMT

wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher) writes:

>Before shelling out for AAA, check both your rules and alternatives.

[..."free towing" not as good as optional towing on his car insurance...]

[...maps not as good as they used to be...]

>Yous paz your money - yous make ur churce...

All this makes sense, but don't forget to factor in the value of their
other services.  Around here CAA (== Canadian arm of AAA) sells American
Express traveller's cheques without the customary 1-2% service charge.
They also sell auto insurance to members, which in our case is significantly
less expensive than other companies.  Evidently, CAA members as a *group*
(dominated by people who are older, more timid, drive less, etc.) are
not as much of a risk as the average population...

To us, at least, the free towing and free maps / tour books is just an
incidental benefit.  The savings in car insurance more than covers the
membership fees.

Mart L. Molle
Computer Systems Research Institute
University of Toronto
Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4
(416)978-4928
From: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Best undercover car
Date: 12 Dec 92 11:50:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (David Bonds) 

  >"steathy" (who'd suspect a Camaro cop car, especially in a city where there
  >are just about as many teenage hot-rodders in Camaros/Firebirds as there are
  >pickup trucks... and W.Falls is the redneck capital of north Texas).

Houston Police Department has several Camaros for highway traffic enforcement
(complete with those silver 5 spoke rims, your tax dollars at work!), and I've
seen Harris County sheriff's in the same.  Nothing tops that Jersey Village K9
unit I've seen.   An open Jeep CJ-7 with all the police trims (paint, decals,
light bar).  Looks hilarious!  Almost drove off 290 into a ditch when I saw 
that thing doing 50 in the fast lane...

- Dave Bonds 
- Internet : David.Bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us
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From: anand@watson.ibm.com ()
Subject: Stretch Hyundai
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:59:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

I saw an amazing sight here in  NJ a while back:  A stretched Hyndai
Excel. Looked quite cool. Jet black and tinted windows. I suppose a
minor Mafia boss might get one assigned to him until he moved up to the
big leagues. I can see the progression:
Stretch Hyundai -> Stretch Camry -> Stretch Caddi -> Stretch Rolls

R. Anand
anand@watson.ibm.com
From: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: RE: TINTED WINDOWS LAW ??
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:07:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569
Reply-To: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) 

shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Shy) writes:
-> one cannot tint the front two windows of a car.  however, this only
-> applies to third party jobs (i.e., your local garage or done by
-> yourself.) if the car was tinted coming out of the factory, it is
-> perfectly fine and legal.

  Now I have a question about the factory tint.  I've never seen a car
with a "dark" factory tint that is dark like the film that is applied on
the window.  35% light transmittence...I've seen some Acura Legend's
with a very light bronze factory tinting, but it isn't enough to do
anything.  How do you exactly get a "factory" tint....When I bought my
Integra, yeah, the guy said you get a light factory tint, but there is
no saying about a "real" tint, tint...ANd I have yet to see one.  If you
can get a "real" factory tint that is the same darkness as the 35% film,
how much does it cost??


Erich.
             
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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Best undercover car (was: CHP DOES HAV
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:42:41 GMT
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1992Dec11.123712.8915@hemlock.cray.com> dadams@cray.com writes:
>Ask yourself:  When was the last time you saw a cop doing 55 on the 
>freeway?  On my route to work they do >= 65 uniformly, except when
>traffic slows.

In the mid 80's in the Detroit era, Michigan State police used the
euphimism "Rolling Road Block" to describe just THAT, i.e. a police car
going 50-55 mph and everyone behind him jammed for miles, as noone
would go faster...

I have seen the same on my daily commute over highway 31 in Indiana. 
It is 55 mph four lane state road, average speed around 62-65 in good
weather, cops around 65-70 mph; Once in a while we'll get the occasional
jerk doing 55 and a mile's worth of cars following. 

Works quite well, I'd say.

Spiros

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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Family Sedan Comparison
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 23:15:28 GMT

In article <liknqfINN7la@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill) writes:
>jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:
>> 
>> Why don't you consider the V6 Camry, you can get one for under
>> $20k. It is a sweet 185hp engine.
>
>The V6 Camry is not available with manual transmission, except in a
>sporty configuration (SE?) with ugly upholstery and non-functional
>rear spoiler.  Furthermore, it gets lousy gas mileage, worse than
>either the Taurus or LH, which are larger cars.  Also, according to
>Car & Driver, the V6 Camry is noiser than the 4 at 70 mph.


How much noiser is it? It's probably prety darn quiet.

The Taurus has a 140hp engine the Carmy has 185hp engine. Of course
the gas mileage would be lower. If you want fuel economy
why didn't you consider the V6 Mazda?

Also, what spoiler on any car in this price range is functional????

It is annoying though that the manual V6 you have to get an SE.

john
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From: eric@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Eric Lucas)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FWD patrol cars (once Re: CHP Beretta(!) sighted)
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:47:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpsad.2400077
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA

In rec.autos, kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:

    In article <1992Dec7.160322.27875@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> LJ09735@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM (Jeff Schaefer) writes:

    >On a related note, my cubemate got pulled over this weekend on I-280 near
    >San Francisco this weekend by the latest CHP pursuit car....a Camaro w/Corvette
    >engine.  Cop claimed it is being used for chasing the crotch-rocket motorcycles
    >that frequently use that hwy for a racetrack.  Whether or not he was boasting
    >we do not know, but the cop claimed the car has a tested top end of 157 mph.

    Well, the crotch-rockets have top speeds of 185 mph and up,so what good
    would that car do against a bike thatis much more manueverable?


-----

Well, it certainly can't outrun a radio.

Eric
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: bw@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Bruce White 3807)
Subject: How to fight AAA?
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:23:45 GMT



My 1985 CRX was in an accident and AAA has deemed the car totalled.
They have offered me $2700 minus $500 for "salvage value".

I disputed their assessment and sent in some copies of local newspaper
ads in which private parties were asking $5100 and $6700. I also
saw a 1985 CRX at a local Mitsubishi dealer. They were asking $6000.
My car had A/C, the others did not. I told AAA that $2700 was far less
than my car was worth, and that I wanted $6000.

Today the agent denied my argument, and we haggled over the comparable
cars which I had described. She said that she would only offer at most
$3000. I told her that was unacceptable. She is going on vacation
and will be sending my file over to the AAA lady who I originally filed
my claim with.

Part of her claim was that since my car had 110 K miles that my car was
not worth at all near the 3 comparables, which had either 60, 70 or 80K
miles. The Blue book deducts alot of $ for 110K miles on a 1985 car,
although in my opinion 15K miles/year is average for California. I've been
told that the other used car guide doesn't deduct as much for high
mileage.

The other driver admitted guilt. He was insured with AAA. I am insured with
State Farm. State Farm said that they did not consider the car totalled,
and they estimated damages at $2700. The guy at the shop gave them
an estimate of $2900.

Any advice? Will AAA back off and try to settle with me at 4K? If I refuse
their settlement do I have to sue them?

How many more miles would it be reasonable to expect on my current engine?
How much would it cost to get a new engine if the current one will run
for another year or two?

A friend here at work suggested that I go to a dealer, get a higher repair
estimate, hopefully 4K, submit the estimate to State Farm, and then have
State Farm cut me a check, and then I simply wouldn't repair the car.
Instead I'd try to sell the car in the Auto Trader as a salvage car for $1000.

Any advice would be appreciated!

 -- Bruce