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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.cd,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: New Renaissance CD reissues
Date: 10 Sep 92 01:22:23 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <BuBz26.CpC@ddsw1.mcs.com> jtl@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Joe Lynn) writes:
>	Upon a quick comparison, these discs sound to me to be at 
>	least as good as the other previously-issued discs.  There
>	is a fair amount of tape hiss on all the recordings, but
>	that's to be expected, I suppose.  There are no glaring 
>	sound deficiencies that I can tell (as on Thunderbolt UK's
>	_Azur d'or_ CD);  further listenings will confirm this.

One of these days I will have to find an LP of _Azure_D'Or_ (and something
to play it on! :-) to compare it to the CD.  I *love* my _Azure_D'Or_ CD.
It's one of my favorite albums, and contains what is easily my favorite
Renaissance material that I have heard (I have also heard _Prologue_,
_Ashes_Are_Burning_, _Novella_, _A_Song_For_All_Seasons_ [gack], and the
two compilation discs).

I can't notice any difference in sound quality between "Jekyll And Hyde"
and "The Winter Tree" on _Azure_D'Or_ and _Tales_Of_1001_Nights_Vol_II_.

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

beta test, v. To voluntarily entrust one's data, one's livelihood and one's
    sanity to hardware or software intended to destroy all three.  In earlier 
    days, virgins were often selected to beta test volcanos.
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Who was/is in Brand X?
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:25:37 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <6ajW02=g21zB01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.185243.24697@wilbur.coyote.trw.com> Patrick Jost <jost@wilbur.coyote.trw.com> writes:
>>First, thanks for the recommendations...I've gone out and gotten a 
>>number of CDs. The problem is that they don't tell who plays on them...
>>I know some of the players:
>>
>>	Percy Jones: 	bass
>>	Robin Lumley:	keyboards
>>	Morris Pert:	percussion
>>	John Goodsall:	guitar
>>	John Giblin:	bass
>>	Phil Collins:	drums
>>
>>
>>Who else? Don't they have 2 keyboard players and another guitar player?
>
>Peter Robinson played keyboards as well, from "Masques" onwards.
>Mike Clarke played drums on a couple of the later albums too.
>Chuck Burgi played the kit on "Masques", and I think Kenwood Dennard
>drummed on a couple tracks on "Livestock".
>New band is Jones, Goodsall and a new drummer whose name eludes me.

The Drummer in the new band is Frank Katz.

>
>peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,soc.culture.nordic
From: arr1@quads.uchicago.edu (Tyger Tyger)
Subject: Re: Scandinavian progressive rock bands
Reply-To: arr1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:42:05 GMT

In article <BJORNL.92Sep15152431@rama.sics.se> bjornl@sics.se (Bj|rn Lisper) writes:
>In article <martem-190892141748@sv-mac06.uio.no> martem@uio.no (Marte Nolet)
>writes:
>>chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley) wrote:
>>> In a month or so (yes, I'm planning ahead) I will be back in
>>> Scandinavia for a week or two.  This time I plan to track down some
>>> cheap (I know, dream on), obscure progressive rock.  I would like some
>>> suggestions as to what to look for.
>

>Swedish: Flasket Brinner. Bo Hansson. Kebnekajse, if you like rock mixed
>with traditional Swedish folk music. The different incarnations of Samla
>Mammas Manna/Von Zamla etc. Solo albums by Lars Hollmer (member of Samla
>Mammas Manna); wonderful ethnocraze in odd meters. Kaipa, fairly symphonic.
>Dice, very symphonic (and obscure). Trettioariga Kriget (later just Kriget),
>reminiscent of Rush but actually predated them with a couple of years, also
>very obscure today.  Algarnas Tradgard, made only one album with very
>psychedelic/electronic flavor. Made in Sweden, jazzy, several incarnations
>exist (all led by jazz/rock guitarist Georg Wadenius). Especially good is
>the live album "Live at The Golden Circle" where they are a trio playing
>various covers (yes, it IS great! Believe me!)  Pop Workshop, grossly
>underrated (and obscure) fusion collaboration with Swedish, American and
>Polish musicians, sounds a lot like Weather Report. Different bands with
>Lars Bryngelsson (?)  (Triangulus, ...). Isildurs Bane. Cosmic
>Overdose/Twice a Man, synth-based, somewhat later.  Boojwah Kids, if you
>like Beefheart-inspired music. Myrbein, a couple of music college students
>who formed a fairly crazy (but musically apt) band. Flaskkvartetten, VERY
>interesting electrified string quartet w. percussion: check especially for
>their work with singer Freddie Wadling. This is more recent and available on
>CD.
>
>Bjorn Lisper



Oooooooh!
Make SURE you pick up the new release by Farbror Bla (on the Sony-Sverige
label). This group is really great, and has a great pop/progressive sound 
that is along the lines of U2 and INXS.

Get this disc!

Hot track: "Himlen kan vaenta"

A.

PS- US people should look around for this disc, too. I found a copy in Sounds
in NYC.

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: _Nerve Net_, by Brian Eno
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:58:50 GMT

dmandl@bilbo.shearson.com (David Mandl) writes:

>Big surprise: guitarist Robert Quine also appears on it, though on just
>one track, unfortunately.  

This surpised me, especially seeikng Quine and Fripp on the same track. But
considering Eno produced Quine on No New York it doesn't surprise me too
much. 

>I've only had time to give the disc a quick listen,
>but it sounded pretty damn good.  The production/arrangements are dense and
>nicely textured (i.e., there are GUITARS and strange percussion, not just
>brain-dead synth washes).  The old Een may have finally redeemed himself.

Well, I wouldn't say the *old* Eno is back, but he's certainly going to 
have a greater impact with this than on the Eno/Cale Wrong Way Up release. 

 - Maloclm
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Pendragon & Eloy
Date: 6 Sep 92 05:47:23 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <Bu4o7L.95B@world.std.com> kkirksey@world.std.com (Ken B Kirksey) writes:

>1) Anyone out there have a definitive Pendragon discography?

There were a bunch of cassettes & EPs. As far as albums go (and CDs), this
is tmk everything that's come out:

1. THE JEWEL - 1985   pretty good, probably their best effort
2. 915 LIVE -  1986?  not bad, but not as good as the jewel
3. KOWTOW   - 1988    overall very lame and commercial, only 2 good trax
4. THE BEST AND THE REST - 1990  not sure about this one, don't have it
5. THE WORLD - 1991  better than Kowtow, but still not up to snuff.

My question is - why waste your time on these guys, to me they sound like
a half baked clone-of-a-clone band (imitation Marillion without the ideas)
Any of the following neo-prog bands are much better: Castanarc, Quasar,
IQ, 12th Night, Solstice... When I rate all these British 80's neo-progs
on Ideas and originality, Pendragon is way back at the end of the line.
Too bad, because THE JEWEL did show some promise...

>2) I have two Eloy CDs, Metromania & Performance, that I like alot.  I 
>   understand that their earlier sound was much different than what 
>   appears on these CDs.  Is there a definite dividing line between the
>   old and new sounds between releases?  

The dividing line seems to be the live album. I've got PLANETS, TIME TO
TURN, METROMANIA, RA, and I've heard COLORS and PERFORMANCE, and I'd
recommend any of them unequivocally.
On the other hand, I've heard FLOATING, DAWN and POWER & THE PASSION...
(Yawn!!!) not very interesting.
Someone told me that SILENT CRIES & MIGHTY ECHOES was a good one. Anyone
want to offer a second opinion on it?

peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: NOVA
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:48:09 GMT

ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen) writes:

>In article <1992Sep8.020358.15788@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:
>>Anyone have any info about Nova? Supposedly they're Brand Xish,
>>featuring Percy Jones and Full Colons on a few releases.

>That was the second NOVA album titled "Viemana", it featured Robin Lumley
>and Narada Micheal Walden as well.
>They had four albums in all: BLINK, VIEMANA, WINGS OF LOVE, and SUN CITY.
>I Think "Blink" and "Sun City" are out on Disc, but I haven't seen the
>other two. Only the second album featured the Brand-X lineup.

It's Vimana, I think, as I was just looking at the lps at Jeff Melton's place 
yesterday. Too bad Jeff lost his net access and can't comment on these himself. 

I taped Vimana around 1984 and this really has grown on me - I'm very fond of
it and want to find a copy. It's got Walden on drums, Phil Collins and Zakir
Hussian on percussion, Percy on bass. It's great! It's got soem of the nicest
drumming on lp I've heard - I think it's possibly better than Brand X. This
release is all instrumental. It's their second lp. After this they have vocals
on most or all tracks on the next two lps, and I haven't heard them yet, but
Jeff described them as getting much more vocal and commercial over time. 
Walden produced but didn't play on Wings Of Love or maybe it was Sun City. 

The band's core trio was also in another italian band - Osanna, which had 
released 5 lps by the early 70's. And two of these guys also appear on John 
Perry's Sunset Wading lp. 

I would strongly recommend hearing Vimana if you have a chance to, and if you
see it on cd grab it. For some reason the sounds has some feeling of being
somewaht spanish to me, though I think the guys are all italian. It's really
beautiful music with some of the best recorded drums I've EVER heard. 

 - malcolm@wrs.com
From: jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim Lynch)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: John McLaughlin
Date: 7 Sep 92 02:04:44 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

"Must have" McLaughlin records: "My Goals Beyond", "Inner Mounting Flame",
   "Birds of Fire", "Visions of the Emerald Beyond", "Inner Moves" (out
   of print), "Music Spoken Here", "Belo Horisonte", "Adventures in
   Radioland"
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: dmandl@bilbo.shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: _Nerve Net_, by Brian Eno
Organization: Lehman Brothers
	<DMANDL.92Sep9113633@bilbo.shearson.com> <malcolm.716083130@wrs.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:58:34 GMT

In article <malcolm.716083130@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:

   This surpised me, especially seeikng Quine and Fripp on the same track. But
   considering Eno produced Quine on No New York it doesn't surprise me too
   much. 

Quine isn't on "No New York" (sorry to be picky).  He was on Lydia Lunch's
stupendous "Queen of Siam" LP, though (1979 or 80, Ze Records).

   --Dave.

--
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (henry bart)
Subject: Re: Canterbury Discography
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-12747]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu
Organization: Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:44:49 GMT

>	A few years ago, a bunch of people contributed to and produced
>a Canterbury Discography which is filled with essential information.
>Presently, I'm interested in updating the Discography and was wondering
>a) If there's any interest, b) If so, does anyone have new editions or
>corrections.

Yes, I'm very interested.  A lot of new stuff has come out and is still 
coming out.  Camel, Phil Miller, Richard Sinclair, and many more.  I've got
the new Phil Miller and can provide the info if you need it.


		Mike



Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: dmandl@bilbo.shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Sad news for Peter Hammill fans
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:54:29 GMT

Since there seem to be a lot of Peter Hammill fans out
there, I thought you might be interested in knowing that,
for reasons I'll never understand, Robert Fripp has 
drastically re-worked his Exposure LP for CD release.

The song that stands out most of all is "Disengage,"
which IMHO contains one of PH's most spine-chilling vocal
performances of all time.  Apparently, Fripp didn't remix,
but actually USED DIFFERENT TAKES for the CD.  I was shocked
to hear the new version (fortunately I didn't buy one)--
the CD version sounds like baby stuff compared to the original.
At least one or two other tracks seem to be drastically
different as well, and I don't think it's familiarity with
the original versions that leads me to think that the new
ones really suck.  Does anyone out there prefer the "new"
versions?

   --Dave.

--
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         Dave Mandl            |    Opinions expressed here
       New York City           | are not those of my employer,
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: till@acid-rain.lucid.com (Don Tillman)
Subject: Re: Camel discography and recommendations
Reply-To: till@lucid.com
Organization: Lucid, Inc.
	<1992Sep6.162239.8686@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
Date: 8 Sep 92 10:59:13

   Date: 6 Sep 92 15:22:39 GMT
   From: nelson@vax.oxford.ac.uk
   Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

   A Camel discography posted here mentioned...
   > Dust and Dreams			1991
   > On the Road 1972      		1992
   as being available only on Latimer's own label.

   Could somebody with an address for this label, or of a mail order firm
   prepared to sell them, please post it?

This is the address for their mailing list (touring schedules) and catalog
orders (tee-shirts, CD's, cassettes, etc.):

Camel Productions
P.O. Box 4876
Mountain View, CA  USA 94040

(Andy and Susan are actually living in Mountain View these days, so this is
very close to the source.)

  -- Don

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.newage
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: Why Did Steve Hillage Replace Mike Oldfield?
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:52:09 GMT

I've always wondered why Steve Hillage ended up replace Mike Oldfield
during the televised broadcast of "The Orchestral Tubular Bells" in
1974.

It would seem sacriligeous to replace the actual composer of the work!
I've heard it was a very controversial move, but I've never known what
the reason was. Was there a feud between David Bedford and Oldfield?

I understand this was broadcast on BBC2's "Second House" program.

If anyone has a copy of this, lemme know!

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,alt.music.alternative
From: homulka@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Thomas Homulka)
Subject: Re: Affordable Floors
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:11:40 GMT

I was in Pittsburgh a few weeks ago and noticed that both "The Sounding" and
"Drumming on the Walls" were both available on CD at Eide's Records and
Comics in downtown Pittsburgh.  I don't have the phone number, but if you call
for the phone nunmber through information under area code 412, you may be able
to mail order through the store.

Tom Homulka
homulka@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: mtrnka@jarthur.claremont.edu (Sven)
Subject: Re: _Nerve Net_, by Brian Eno
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:14:46 GMT



>Fractal Zoom (Separate Time Edit)        4:13
>Fractal Zoom (Mary's Birthday Edit)      3:49
>Fractal Zoom (Up River Mix)              8:07
>Fractal Zoom (Small Country)             6:58
>The Roil, The Choke                      5:00
>Fractal Zoom (Naive Mix I)               5:24
>Fractal Zoom (Zaire Mix)                 6:14
>Fractal Zoom (Naive Mix II)              5:55
>Fractal Zoom (Landed Mix)                5:50
>Fractal Zoom (Bucolic Mix)               4:42
>Fractal Zoom (Separate Time Full Length) 6:24
>Fractal Zoom (Mary's Birthday Mix)       7:07

Wait, a sec.is my single only about 20 mins long with three remixes?
Is the maxi-single only in England or something?

Sven
mtrnka@jarthur.claremont.edu
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Renaissance
Date: 14 Sep 92 21:24:28 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Sep14.201723.22615@njitgw.njit.edu> dkm3792@hertz.njit.edu (Dave Michaels) writes:
>Does anyone know if Sherizade (sp) is avaiable on CD at ANY price ANYWHERE?
>Thank you!

The 1001 Nights compilation contains a couple of tunes from Scheherazade but
only a snippet from "Song of Scheherazade".  I'd like to hear more
about the live Renaissance that was seen at Tower. The live lp was called
"LIve at Carnegie Hall" and contains eight songs, including a wonderful
version of "Song of Scheherazade".  The album "Scheherazade and Other Stories"
does not exist on CD.

Anyone thought about writing MSFL about putting it on CD?  There is a 1/2
speed master on viny.  
-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira     | Auspex Systems | "Auspex does not share my opinions.  |
| johnf@auspex.com | Santa Clara CA |  So Why am I still working here?"    |
+==========================================================================+
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: John McLaughlin
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: alt
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:31:09 GMT

dmandl@bilbo.shearson.com (David Mandl) writes:


>The three of these guys played together briefly as Tony Williams
>Lifetime after Cream broke up. I've heard tapes of them, though I think
>they're pretty hard to find.  

I have two lps by Tony William's Lifetime - Emergency and Turn it Over. I 
saw an extra copy of Emergency at The Grooveyard in Oakland, California on 
Telegraph Ave. I don't think Bruce was on this one though. He is on Turn It
Over - I find the vocals bit hard to stomach, but my girlfriend loves them. 
A friend I was visiteingyesterday described these as "before McLaughlin found 
his voice" or something life that, and I think that's a fair statement - John
became much more focused and developed a more recognizable and consistent
style after this period from the late 60's to early 70's. 

 - Malcolm
From: borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Maxophone
Date: 5 Sep 1992 15:57:01 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Anybody else ever heard of them?  A mid seventies Italian band, somewhat
symphonic but with jazz tendencies.  Pretty damn good.  I was totally
impressed with the first few listens but I'll want to listen more
before reviewing.

-Mike
From: jarnot@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Kevin J. Jarnot)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: new nin?
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:11:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center

In article <moochie.716169739@camelot> moochie@camelot.bradley.edu (Melissa Koontz) writes:
> 
>   Anyone heard if any new nin is coming out?

Do you get the feeling that perhaps the FAQ should be posted daily now that
school is back in session??? ;-)

Wrong newsgroup, Melissa...try alt.music.ALTERNATIVE

Kevin

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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Canterbury Discography
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: alt
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:07:13 GMT

Some other comments on this - I think adding label release # info and even
Country that issued it would be of some use. If we've got all the other data
on musicians and labels, we might as well go 100% and make it easier to 
track this stuff down. For example with Matching Mole, both the re-issues are
on CBS but one is a Japanese and another is UK, and details like this can
make a difference when trying to track them down or special order them, as
does having the release number.

 - malcolm  
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: NOVA
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 06:24:46 GMT

wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) writes:

>Here's another question.

>Is the Narada Michael Walden on Nova and a lot of great fusion
>projects form the 70s, the *same* Narada Michael Walden that's
>involved with unbelievably lame hip-hop, rap, r&b slush projects
>in the 80s and 90s?

Of course! He bought a studio in San Rafael,CA in the 80's and has been
winning awards for his productions, so despite how you (or I) feel
about the content he seems to be doing something right. I've seen
some interviews and I think heard of a few more offbeat things he's
been up to. I don't think it's much differnt than the way Dave Stewart
has changed his focus in recent years. I haven't written off Walden yet. 
I think he's still into Sri Chimnoy, whatever that means... it sure would
be nice to hear him whacking away on those skins again like he used to. 

 - Malcolm 

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: Mike J. Brown <mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Ambient music info needed for FAQ
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 02:51:41 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Greetings,

I am nearly finished writing an 'Ambient Music FAQ' for the
alt.rave and rec.music.industrial newsgroups.  It is designed
mostly to be an informative document for fans of ambient house,
ambient techno, and ambient industrial music.  In it I have tried
to include all the info about The Orb and The KLF and their
related projects, a slough of recommendations from people on the
net --recommendations of other ambient music people who like The
Orb would be into--, definitions, histories, and pointers to other
information sources.  Unfortunately, I have very little information
on the history of ambient music prior to the acid-house/techno/rave
movement, save for fleeting references to Eno, Hillage, and
Tangerine Dream.  If anybody out there has information on 70s
'Euro Rock', 'New Age', 'Ambient Progressive', or whatever it is
called, I'd appreciate contributions.  Anything is fine.  I
can email you copies of the nearly-finished first draft of the FAQ.

Thanks,
Mike

Mike Brown
mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
"The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter."