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From: siegfried_r@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: American Jews and Lubavitch
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:33:12 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

In article <1992Dec27.181421.5473@cs.tulane.edu>, david@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu
 (David Kaufmann) writes:
> In article <3129@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:
>>I have a feeling that the logic of Lubavich in promoting prayer in
>>public school is based on a feeling that if a Jew sees prayer, his or
>>her "Jewish soul" will be likely to awaken, sending the person in
>>search of a Jewish way to express spirituality....
>>I don't agree with this position myself, but this is how I understand
>>what might be their motivation.

> A factual correction: Lubavitch supports _a moment of silence_, NOT
> public prayer. There's a big difference. And while your logic about
> the response of the Jewish soul is essentially correct, the moment of
> silence as a time for everyone to acknowledge the limitations of human
> reasoning and recognize the Creator, each in his/her own way...

	This is not intended as a criticism of either David in particular or of 
Lubavitch in general.  My conversations with David have always been cordial, 
which is typical of my contact with Lubavitchers.

	I am against prayer in public schools, in large part because it 
violates the separation of Church and State and because it can be make life 
very difficult for a child who is different.  The moment of silence, while in 
principle a good idea, has its own problems in this regard.

	The moment of silence can serve to remind many that if it were not 
because of those who are different, they could have public prayer in pbulic 
schools,  It gives a religious, or irreligious, minority another reason to fear 
being pointed out by those who wish to hold them up to scorn.

	What David says about prayer is true, and I salute Lubavitch and all 
those who bring both Jews and Gentiles nearer to G-d through prayer.  But the 
United States Constitution makes prayer a PRIVATE matter, something that is no 
one else's business, which every American should be free to practice or not 
practice in the manner in which they wish to handle it.  And let us remember
that children do not handle standing out in the wrong way the way in which 
adults do.

	I take both my faith as a Jew and my belief in the Constituion 
seriously, as I believe others here do.  And I fear the potential abuse of the 
moment of silence.

					Robert Siegfried
					Computer Science Dept.
					Saint Peter's College
					Jersey City, NJ  07306
					siegfried_r@spcvxa.spc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal
From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: The NYPD situation (was: Say it ain't so)
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 23:05:54 GMT

In article <BzFt8B.4qM@world.std.com> srm@world.std.com (Stevens R Miller) writes:
>jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>>If your clients have been tried and convicted, then they are in prison
>>because of things that they have done, not because of police
>>testimony.  Important point, that one.
>
>But absolutely wrong [although a surprising admission of faith in
>juries, coming from you].  The only evidence against them was police
>testimony.  You want very much to make people believe that police
>officers cannot, by their testimony alone, send people to jail.
>You are very much wrong.  

If police testimony alone would be enough, Lemrick Nelson would be
behind bars today.  Don't tell me that _I_ am wrong.

>>...police in the US work under very restrictive regulations and
>>have to have their testimony and evidence reach extremely high
>>standards.
>
>You bet they do!  Our forebears fought a bloody revolution to make
>sure this would be true.  I hope you are as grateful to them as I am.
>What do you think happens when the police have judicial power?

You're the only one fighting Police Judicial Power.  I don't agree
that Police have this power, as you still contend.

I am fighting bigotry and injustice in the "Justice" System, not only
justice for Jews in the USA but for all people in this country.  You
haven't offered anything constructive towards this end yet.  Isn't
there enough money in it, perhaps?

>>The acquittal of Lemrick Nelson demonstrates this.  
>
>Like Hell.  Nelson's acquittal demonstrates that our society leaves
>determinations of guilt to juries, not editors.

Do you mean the same juries that so voraciously read editorials from
Louis Farrakhan, Leonard Jeffries and their cronies?  Such wonderful
juries you are dumping on us!


-- 
Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com              10 years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Halvah
Date: 27 Dec 92 18:41:28 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA

I tried Sam Saal's recipe, and it works quite well.  In short, here's what
I learned.

1) Hulled sesame seeds are inexpensive, $1.89 a pound is what I paid (I
    got a pound at a natural-foods coop, which comes to about 2 and a
    half cups).

2) A blender is a perfect tool for converting sesame seeds to "nut butter".
    Put no more than 1 and a half cups of seeds in the blender, dry.  Set
    the machine to "liquify" (the fastest speed), and run it briefly.  In
    no time, all the seeds will be plastered to the walls of the blender,
    so you have to use the blender spatula to constantly shave them off the
    walls and down into the cutting teeth.  Stop when what you've got looks
    like peanut butter.  There will probably be a few whole seeds mixed in,
    and you may have to stop once and a while, take off the lid, and scrape
    stuff out from below the cutting teeth (with power off) to get a good
    nut butter texture, but don't worry about a few whole seeds, they don't
    seem to make any trouble.

3) The ratio of two tablespoons of honey to one cup of seeds (prior to
    blending seemed to produce a fairly soft, sweet halvah.  You might
    experiment to get the texture and taste you want.

4) A teaspoon of vanilla extract per cup of sesame seeds, as Sam's recipe
    suggested, seems to work out quite well.

5) Starting with a pound of seeds, I filled the bottom of a small foil-lined
    bread-loaf pan to a depth of about 3/4 inch with halvah.  Form the foil
    over the outside of the pan, then put the formed foil inside and pack
    with halvah before folding the foil over the top and dumping your
    home-made candy bar out to refrigerate.

The result is quite inexpensive compared to the imported stuff, and it
certainly tastes no worse.  I have the feeling that I'll be eating lots of
Halvah from now on.  Thank you, Sam Saal, for the Hanukkah gift you've given
us.
				Doug Jones
				jones@cs.uiowa.edu

(PS, anyone want a latke recipe that feeds 150?  Start with 8 dozen eggs,
32 large onions, a food processor, 4 cooks, and oh yes, some potatos ...
I think I'll hold off on cooking anything that looks even vaguely like a
potato pancake for a while, but they were good!  Perhaps next year.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.arabic
From: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Subject: Re: deportation
Reply-To: makowsky@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (David Makowsky)
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe AZ
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:14:09 GMT

In article <1hi4abINNie3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
 
#  wc4209@writer.yorku.ca (Irene Berkovich) writes:
 
# >Funny, I don't recall seeing any posts from you shedding your
# >crocodile tears when Kuwait expelled over 100,000 Palestinian
# >residents after the Gulf war.  Mind you, these were not people
# >inciting others to murder like the Hamas boys.  They were kicked out
# >just for being Palestinian.  And not a peep from you, or any of the
# >hippocrates at the United Nations who routinely ignore Arab civil
# >rights abuse.
 
# >But I guess thats okay.  Arabs are allowed to kill, or expel one
# >another by your logic.  You only scream when Israel is involved.
 
# However there is a difference here.  In Kuwait, Palestinians were
# not kicked from their homeland.  In Israel, Palestinians were kicked
# from Gaza Strip and West Bank.  

	They were kicked out of Judea and Samaria.  Parts of the eternal
Jewish homeland.  And if they wanted to stay, they had no business
joining Hamas.

# If some jews argue Gaza Strip and West Bank are not for Palestinians,
# then we come to the root question that is: Where jews came from and where
# palestinians came from?  The outsiders vs. the insiders..

	Jews come from that land.  The "palestinians?" come from Arab
invasions.

# Palestine is NOT "a land without a nation for a nation with out land."

	Correct.  "palestine?" does not exist.  It never has.
# -- 
#                   ___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu _____________
#                  (______   _  |   _  |_
# _____ H A M Z A ________) |-| |_ |-| | |


--
	There are three types of people in the world.  Those that are good
at math and those that are not.

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From: jlove@ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu (Jack Love)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Urgent Appeal-Jerusalem Rabbi Mistakenly Arrested!
Date: 22 Dec 1992 15:10:24 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/trn/lib/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivrit.ra.itd.umich.edu

Is it possible to get an article posted regarding this subject 
with a beginning and a middle? (I know there's no end yet.) Am
I the only one completely confused here?
-- 
________________________________________
Jack F. Love	| 	Opinions expressed are mine alone.
		|	(Unless you happen to agree.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dkhaikin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin)
Subject: Re: God's Hyphen (Re: Mezuzah question)
Keywords: Even if they *do* say Jehovah!
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 20:23:52 GMT

In article <1hmgl3INNis@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> yair@cs.huji.ac.il writes:
>In article <1992Dec25.042131.11863@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dkhaikin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin) writes:
>|> It is just a modern way to write.
>|> In any case, I think we should try to respect the Name as much as
>|> possible. There would not be any problem if it was written
>|> 'A-d-o-n-a-i'.
>
>I am sorry, but I never understood the respect claim.  If I write
>your name as Dmi-try, would I shoow more respect to you?

No, you would not. But here it is a different concept. One should not
use the Name in everyday conversation, unless it is teaching another
Jew(s). However, one should still try to avoid writing the Name as it
is. I personally don't understand what is the big deal for everybody to
write A-d-o... and G-d? It is not that much work and at the same time it
shows respect. I do agree that one could argue that it is not really
breaking anything, but do we have to get as close as we can to the edge
after which it is breaking something? 

>					Yair Friedman.

Thanks,
Dima



-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  "A word is worth one coin; silence is worth two."_____ The Talmud.
  "Silence is good everywhere, except in connection with Torah."____ The Zohar.
  dkhaikin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  ( Dmitry Khaikin, Columbus Ohio )
From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: A self-confessed silly thread: Jewish Rock/Pop Stars
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:19:02 GMT
Organization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan



Anisa writes:
In article <217@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP> (Tsiel Ohayon) writes:
[TSIEL] There is also
[TSIEL] Cats (spell) Stevens who later became Mohamed Yosuf. (He converted to
[TSIEL] Islam)

[ANISA] Sorry, Tsiel, but he was Roman Catholic.

That's great news ... Now I can listen to him again without any bad feelings:-)

Tsiel
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: gsmlrn@gsm001.mendelson.com (Geoffrey S. Mendelson)
Subject: Re: A self-confessed silly thread: Jewi
Organization: Mendelson.com
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:15:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.180358.23568@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:

>The Jewish newspaper I get counted Feinstein amongst the Jewish senatorial
>contingent (along with Arlen Specter, to my surprise.)

Why are you surprised? He is the single biggest supporter of Israel and
Jewish causes in the Senate. He is 100% Jewish (both parents).

It might suprise you to know that Lynn Yeakel (sp), his opponent in the
last election, sits on the board of a church that gives money to Bier
Zeit University. "Her husband" belongs to an all-white country club.
(She belongs too, but used the excuse that it was her husband)  

 
>ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
>standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
>the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637


Geoff.
-- 
Geoffrey S. Mendelson 
(215) 242-8712
gsm@mendelson.com     or uunet!gsm001!gsm
From: nmiller@starbase.trincoll.edu (norman miller)
Subject: Re: Synagogue MUSIC
Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 19:05:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.165440.21112@panix.com> bri@panix.com (Brian Shanblatt) wr
ites:

>I think the piyut is "Lcahi Olamim."  I believe the Lubavitch
>began using this tune to honor Napoleon, who, as he was sweeping
>through Europe, he was "good" toward the Jews.  I am sure
>history mavens could fill us in on the details!

A big maven I'm not, but I think you'll find that Lubavitch was
strongly _opposed_ to Napoleon.  Habad always defined itself as
Russian rather than Polish, which is reflected to some extent in
its sartorial code, some of its songs, etc.

Norman Miller
From: urcat@mcl.ucsb.edu (Eilidh Swan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: >>>Why I became an Athiest
Date: 27 Dec 92 22:54:13 GMT


madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) replied to Eliot Shimoff:

>Um, one does not study atheism intensely, not does one "practice"
>atheism extensively.  This is why I later corrected you about
>your treating atheism as a religion.  It isn't.  It's an
>lack of belief due to lack of supporting evidence, 
>not a belief that something doesn't exist.

I would agree with a point Kevin Scruggs made that this appears to be an
agnostic view rather than and atheistic view.  Although agnostics often seem
to say, "well, there may or may not be any g-d at all, but he/she/it doesn't
have any effect on me."  Whereas my understanding of atheism is an actual
belief in a lack of the existence of a deity.

I would agree with Maddi that there are differences in our experiences in
childhood versus the intellectual debates and experiences we have in 
adulthood.  I wonder how many people believe that there is an absolute
Truth that exists in the universe, regardless of belief or proof or
evidence, or if all Truth is really just 'truth' (no capital) and subject
to individual interpretation.  I have a hard time swallowing the arguements
for Relativism, and it makes me wonder why any one practices what they do.
What do people think?


Eilidh Swan
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From: hem@col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Mezuza question
Date: 28 Dec 92 19:18:50 GMT
Organization: AT&T Federal Systems
Originator: news@cbnewsf.cb.att.com

In article <1992Dec28.183156.9334@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> seth@inst-sun1.tmc.edu (Seth Chazanoff) writes:
>Dima
>
>	Re: How and where to put up a Mezuza.
>
>	Thank-you for answering the Mezuza question.  My wife and I have also
>bought a new home and I was going to ask in a couple of weeks (after escrow
>closes).  I have another question though.  What are the rules for removing a
>Mezuza when you sell a house?  Can the old Mezuza be moved to the new house?
>
>			Thanks
>			  Seth


If the new owner is not Jewish, then you must remove the old
mezuzah.  If you don't know the new owners then it would be best
to take the old mezuzas to your new how.  If the new owners would
use a mezuza themselves then it may be best to bring up the issue
(you can say you would prefer to take the mezuzas).  In either
case, it would be best to first get the mezuzas checked to make
sure they are still kosher.

-- 
____________________________________________________
| Hillel Markowitz    |     Im ain ani li mi li    |
| H_Markowitz@att.com | Veahavta Leraiecha Kamocha |
|_____________________|____________________________|
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp)
Subject: Re: Vijay Bhucha: JESUS IS NOT A MESSAYA!
Organization: LA&W RR
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 14:18:01 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.011549.25512@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dkhaikin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dmitry Khaikin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.211704.26231@bony1.bony.com> billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp) writes:
>>In article <4574@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:
>>
>>>A messayah is supposed to purify the hearts of people , at least of
>>>those follow him , writting the above jesus stuff to this forum is an
>>>immoral behaveiour. Since Vijay defines himself as a jesus follower
>>>his very writting is a demonstrating of an un pure jesus-follower hart
>>>and hence it is is a declaration that Jesus is not a messayah.

>>This is akin to saying that Judaism is invalid because of the Babylonian
>>captivity, the Diaspora, etc.  Should we say Judaism is invalid becuase
>>the people worshipped the golden calf?  I note you are in the Math Dept, 
>>I hope you don't teach logic.  =|^)

>I think his logic is pretty good. See, yo missed one very important
>thing. Yes, they did worship an idol, but noby says that there was a
>meshiach then either. Moshiah has not come yet, and 'j' is certainly not
>the moshiach and his argument is pretty good.

The point is that Gideon says that Religion "X" is invalid because
someone who professes to follow "X" does so imperfectly.  All I'm saying
is that this is true for ANY and ALL religions (i.e. there are those who
say they follow "Y" but do so imperfectly) and is therefore an
invalid arguement (unless you are trying to prove that all religions are
invalid  =B^]).


>Happy Chanukkah,

Likewise to all in s.c.j.
From: spinoza@next06wor.wam.umd.edu (Yon Bonnie Laird of Cairn Robbing)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Andy the Canadian twat
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:55:01 GMT

In article <BzIx1H.CJH@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> pasward@maytag.uwaterloo.ca  
(Paul A.S. Ward) writes:
> In article <1992Dec19.194406.1@vxdesy.desy.de> godfrey@vxdesy.desy.de  
writes:
> 
> >wisdom of the inhabitants of the world's most boring and mediocre  
country
> >(Canada).
> 
> Hey, now wait a minute; both David Skoll and I come from Canada.   
(Besides 
> which, we're certainly not mediocre in Baseball - yes (and here we  
really 
> rub it in!) CANADA won the WORLD SERIES!  HA!  Yes the American national
> pastime is now no longer in American hands!
> 
> :-)

Since when is suburban New York (I believe you lot persist in calling it  
Toronto) not in American hands? ;-]


shalom
jeff
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:58:12 EST
From: <CARIAN@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Lyrics to Hatikva
 <1992Dec31.235852.8584@news.ysu.edu>

Peter Cohen asks for the lyrics to Aveinu Shalom Aleichem.

Assuming he means "Heiveinu Shalom Aleichem" here they are:

Heiveinu shalom aleichem,
Heiveinu shalom aleichem,
Heiveinu sha-a-lom aleichem,
Heiveinu shalom, shalom, shalom aleichem.


ENGLISH TRANSLATION:
We bring you greetings,
We bring you greetings,
We bring you gree-ee-eetings,
We bring you greetings, greetings, greetings.

Kinda brings a tear to the eye and makes the heart swell up with pride.

Rabbi Charles Arian
CARIAN@american.edu
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 19:49:44 EST
From: Peter M. Cohen <PC2370A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Shin, Doled, Yod question

I would like to thank everyone who replied to my previous mezuzah
question.  Your advice and insights were very helpfull.  Now, I have
another question.  I have allways wondered what the three letters on the
case of most mezuzah ( shin, daled, yod) mean ?  I never thought they were
signifant so I never asked before but now that I own my own mezuzot I am
curious.  One other thing,  I sometimes see people wear a necklace with a
charm.  The charm is of a open hand, the fingers pointing downward.  What is
the significance of the charm ?  Is it religious in some way or merely a
"good-luck" charm of some sort ?


 Thanks again.

Peter Cohen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: Re: Homosexuals should be allowed into the military
Organization: Real/Time Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 02:30:59 GMT

 
: While I'm in this thread, may I implore that it be moved to a more appropriate
: newsgroup?  The question of whether gays should be allowed in the military has
: nothing to do with Judaism.  And besides, this group has enough of it's *own*
: homosexuality flame wars - we don't need other groups' flame wars as well!
: -- 
: Elie Rosenfeld      | "I am what I am, Leila -- and if there are self-made
: Bellcore            |  purgatories, then we all must live in them.
: Piscataway, N.J.    |  Mine is no worse than someone else's."
: (908) 699-8800      |                     - Spock, "This Side of Paradise"

Well, perhaps it might belong on another newsgroup, except that the Jewish 
War Veterans have decided to support the bigoted and hateful notion that
gays and lesbians should be discriminated against.  Their reasoning
for their ignorance is in my post about the JWV and bigotry.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
Subject: Solomon Perel
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:05:34 GMT

I recently saw the very good movie, "Europa, Europa." This movie
is based on the wartime experiences of Solomon Perel, a young German
Jew who pretended to be German and a member of the Hitler Youth.

My question is: His experiences, while they made a great movie,
seemed too implausible to be true. Were they verified?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish