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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (salvador dali on x)
Subject: Injected with a poison (ignorance & lsd)
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Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 02:07:29 GMT


Hi.  Unless the majority of frequent Usenet alt.drugs posters are full
of crud, and unless Albert Hofmann is just wanking us with LSD:  MPC,
and unless all the unopinionated information I can find in libraries
concerning LSD is pure crap, then my friends who use LSD are
completely ignorant ad full of crap.  

I am completely pissed off right now, after having an ex-girlfriend
who I still care deeply about relate a fairly disturbing account of
LSD used under the wrong circumstances.  (Right v. wrong is relative,
I know, about there are just some times when everybody would agree
that LSD should not be used).

At any rate, I'm still pissed off, and I'm just thinking about how
widely used LSD is at my high school, and how urban myths continue to 
propagayte, despite being little more than bullshit.

I'm talking about the familiar myths about strychnine, the amount of
visuals (as far as I can tell, the only relavence this myth has to
actuality is the amount, in micrograms, of LSD present), set and
setting don't matter, you can OD on LSD (ie: LSD has a LD-50 from
physical causes), that hallucinations are not related to your
[un|pre]conscious mind, the tatoo story, etc.

The ignorance is untolerable in regards to these myths, and I was just
wondering if anyone could point to an *unbiased* source that lists all
these myths and dispells them with truth based on scientific knowledge
as well as personal first-hand accounts, and that would include a list
of suggested readings, such as LSD: MPC (the most obvious and
necessary reading).

If possible, I would like to create a flyer to distribute to my
school, that talks about the myths, that relays the basics of what LSD
is all about (good and bad, of course - it should be unbiased), and
that would include a list of sources and a
suggested-further-reading-bibliography to back up the statements...

--

    ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu	        FutureCulture:  In/f0rmation
    ahawks@mindvox.phantom.com		future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: gdm7238@summa.tamu.edu (MCBRIDE, GARY DEAN)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LSD and violent behavior. Yes.
Date: 11 Dec 1992 16:53 CST
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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In article <ringo.723830878@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>, ringo@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Ringo) writes...
]Though far from complete, LSD studies indicated that incertain, more
]or less unpredictable, personality types, a bad trip can trigger a
]primary psychotic episode. This means someone prone to psychoses, 
]ranging in severity from a basic 'freak-out' once in a lifetime, to
]full-blown schizophrenia, COULD have the disorder triggered early 
]when they take a powerful psychedelic.
] 
]The reports never indicate if these people are more prone to having
]a bad trip in the first place or not. The psychotic episodes tend to
>be all-or-none in these personality types.
] 
]To be honest, if I had to defent LSD's illegality, it would be for
]this reason. It is hypothesized that a potential psychotic can go 
]through life and never have his or her 'primary psychotic episode.'
]Taking LSD may cause it, and schizophrenia (or whatever else) can 
]be triggered years before it would have ever manifested itself 'naturally.'

In the 50s and early 60s there was some effort to make a psychedelic 
"competency" test.  I know almost nothing about the specifics (does anybody?)
but it was intended to filter out people who should not take psychedelics.
It would sort of be similar to screening people for alcoholism.  I suppose
that you could require people to take the test and get a psychedelics 
license.  Of course, that would cause a brisk trade in LSD with out licenses
similar to minors buying alcohol so I'm not sure how effective it would be.
It would also depend upon the reliability of the test.

Of course, right now, the way LSD works it that people who take it (often
unknowingly or as part of a chemical cocktail) get to play Russian roulette
and hope they are not one of those lucky winners.  I really cannot see how
legalizing would be anything but good in the situation you mentioned.  If it
were legal at least you could try to keep it out of the wrong hands.  Now
all you can do is hope.

]--John Rescigno
]Dept. of Psychology
]Clarkson University
]Nowhere, NY

Gary McBride
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:42:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.194426.11977@reed.edu> bowman@reed.edu (BoBoRamDos) writes:
>In article <Bz93AM.G8z@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> (null pointer)@rock-opera.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:

>>	a) can LSD be mixed WITH DMSO?

>Yes.

>>	b) would there be anyone on the street or at a dead show or
>>rainbow gathering or whatever diong this?

>It does happen.  Not very often, though.

It's useful to note that tap water would probably break down the LSD, so either
these alleged dosers would have to use just DMSO and LSD or they'd
have to use distilled water.  (Actually, anecdotal evidence suggests that
some LSD would remain active but that the trip would be greatly
attenuated.)  Also, although I've never used DMSO, I recall reading that it 
tastes roughly like garlic and that after you've applied some to your skin 
you can taste it in your mouth.  Based on these two considerations, I
feel pretty safe when friendly people cool me off with water at a hot
concert.    

>bobo              In seeking the unattainable,
>bowman@reed.edu            simplicity only gets in the way.
>Ask not what's inside your head but what your head's inside of. - W. Mace

   --M@

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen)
Subject: Re: dextromethorphan hydrobromide
Organization: Microdata Oy
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:06:21 GMT

10764860@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (PAUL WALSH) writes:

>Has anyone tried to boil any DM based liquid (eg Robitussin) down to a solid?
>I would be interested to hear if anyone has tried this succesfully.

   Could codeine be succesfully precipitated to a solid from a cough syrup via
electrolysis? Or is the concentration of codeine ions too small for that?
If this worked, wouldn't it also be the way to make the purest freebase
in your bathtub?
--
Jani Heinonen		jah@mits.mdata.fi		Finger for PGP key
		  Religion is the DMT of the masses.
From: cappiell@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Steven Cappiello)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Fucking Loosers !
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:42:14 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Dec20.012042.1982@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>Fucking Loosers !
>
>The WOD propaganda and police destruction of the Constitutuion 
>continues unabated ... and indeed unopposed. 
>
>Where is the counter-propaganda ? Where are the facts ? NOWHERE !
>In fact, the WOD idiots have the total attention of the public. 
>No one writes any anti-WOD stuff that ever sees large-scale
>distribution. The fault is YOURS ! While you are busy being
>stoned, tripping ... the WOD militants have cornered the media
>with their bullshit. 
>
>Yea, being high FEELS LIKE you are doing something - but it's only
>inside your head. We need REAL WORLD action ! 


	1.   Not everyone is ready to step into the middle of such
		a dangerous political forum.  Some are though,
		(eg.  Norml, etc.).  Personally, I'm not sure if I
		am.

	2.   I think "Fucking Loosers" is more on the mark than off.
		Most of my friends who do drugs are very inactive
		about issues such as this which obviously affect them
		in severe ways.
	     I think there needs to be a lot more awareness among those
		who do drugs.  Photocopies are cheap, and the outlets
		for guaranteed distribution are out there.
	     I'm certainly going to tell my friends about how they can
		spread "anti-propaganda" to battle the WOD.

	3.   I'm not a fucking looser.  Are you?
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: chelf@lunatix.uucp (Chad Helfenberger)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Lexington Public Access Unix. -KY- (606) 255-9121
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 09:53:45 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.181635.21958@ultb.isc.rit.edu> rxg3321@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.X. Getter) writes:
>>
>>There is no "lethal dose" of marijuana.
>
>I imagine it carries the same or similar potential risk to cigarettes.
>

If you are referring to nicotine, then yes, it DOES carry a MUCH-MUCH-MUCH 
greater risk than does LSD.  Nicotine is poison.  I believe (not sure) that 
anything more than a drop of pure nicotine will kill you.
>


-- 
Chad Helfenberger
(chelf@lunatix.uucp) 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 03:13:29 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <1992Dec13.181635.21958@ultb.isc.rit.edu> rxg3321@ultb.isc.rit.edu (R.X. Getter) writes:
>In article <lilf61INN8so@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden) writes:
>>
>>Come on, what's all this bullshit, and why do I have to spell
>>it out?
>>
>>There is no "lethal dose" of LSD.
>
>I don't know if this has any relevance, but I read a recent article in
>Newsweek about a man who was murdered by a lethal dose of LSD served to him
>in jello. If there is interest, I can get the date, the page, and the text
>of the article. (it was very short)

No lethal dose was involved.  Imagine giving a 50 year old man, who has
never taken drugs, a large dose of a physchoactive substance without
telling him.  Now imagine that he has serious heart troubles to begin with.

He keeled over with a heart attack.

>>There is no "lethal dose" of marijuana.
>
>I imagine it carries the same or similar potential risk to cigarettes.

Not if you eat it.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: Transportation of controlled substance
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:02:18 GMT

In article 29181@linus.mitre.org, lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis) writes:
>
>Yes, it is a good idea to seal it well enough to keep the smell in.  The
>measure you described above would be appropriate for going through customs. 
>But it's overkill for a domestic flight, don't you think?

There are often cops with dogs hanging around the baggage claim area at
SFO (San Francisco International Airport).  I've never seen them around
the security checkpoints, though, which suggests that carry-on might be
safer.

I've never seen cops with dogs at OAK (Oakland International), nor at
EWR (Newark NJ International).

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From: mmaryo@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Michael J Maryo (U))
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Univ. of Dayton, School of Engineering
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:34:35 GMT

In article <If_xP4i00iUz43g88S@andrew.cmu.edu> "Stephen M. Lacy" <sl31+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I just want to say that the apparent knowledge of drugs on the network
>and the volume of people that have significant knowledge makes me
>utterly sick.  Is there something about computers that forces you all to
>take drugs, or do you just hang out with people who and that's how you
>get your knowledge.... anyways, you'll tell me that YOU don't really DO
>them, but I won't believe you.
>
>This whole discussion of LSD has gone too far and is upsetting me more
>with every post.
>

Well, the vast knowledge of drugs on the network is very amazing.  The whole
thing that gets me is that even know we all know the effects and dangers (?)
associated with drugs, there are still a lot of us who do use them.  But the
difference is that we use them wisely and responsibly.  The knowledge that
we share with fellow net-ers improves our ability to be safe and know what 
we are doing.  

I don't think there is anything about computers that FORCE us to take drugs.
We are all very stressed people, and I feel that occasional recreational
usage of certain drugs, even alcohol, help to relieve stress.  Besides, who
says it's not fun to lose control every once and a while?  8-)

Just my opinion,

----====****> Mike


Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bill@cac.washington.edu (Bill Whitson)
Subject: Re: Extraction of THC from alcohol
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:35:18 GMT

I've tried reducing Green Dragon to dry components before and it did not
work well.  The best you can do is dry to reduce your concoction to less
liquid.  I don't know how much this will affect the level of THC.

Good luck!

Bill
bill@booster.u.washington.edu


Xref: sparky alt.drugs:19808 alt.folklore.urban:31278
From: linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: The ungrateful dead (grass doesn't kill)
Date: 15 Dec 92 21:31:55 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: positive

From: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
> cite the [Canadian, eh] Le Dain Royal Commission Report on the Non Medical 
> Use of Drugs ... The commission reported 1 death known to be due to marijuana. 

> The case involved a young man who died of a distended stomach 
> following a profound bout of over-eating ...
> after he consumed a large amount of hash. 

If he died of a distended stomach, preceded by a bout of over-eating
then he didn't die of marijuana poisoning, now did he?  

In what sense is a death by over-eating "due to" marijuana?  It looks like
(if you're reporting it accurately) the Royal Commission has a definition
of proximate cause that differs from that in use in the rest of the world.

--
                    no .sig, have got a life instead.
From: hughes@gary.enet.dec.com (Gary Hughes - VMS Development)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Ephedrine Reduction (was RE: Ephadrine)
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:49:08 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Dec13.232100.44235@ux1.cts.eiu.edu>, cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes...
>    According to a DEA agent who gave a talk here a few years back, both of
>the above are true.  It is only because P2P is so hard to get that
>ephedrine reduction is so common.

Indeed, P2P is listed as controlled substance.

gary
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jcherney@envy.reed.edu (Joel Alexander Cherney)
Subject: Vitamin C; reduce or enhance? (was: Re: LSD and Violent Behavior. Yes.)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:47:47 GMT
Reply-To: jcherney@reed.edu

> and so on. We tried to sooth him - explaining that he was tripping, and it 
> wasn't real, etc. But he had lost touch altogether. In the end we called for
> and ablulance and explained the problem - the ambulance men (for the early
> seventies) seemed pretty enlightened - and after checking him over - told us
> to give him lot's and lot's of orange juice. It seems that vitamin C helps
> bring you down. After about an hour - he seemed to calm down and laghingly
> said "boy was that wierd - I bet I gave you all a scare there, didn't I ?".

Okay; this one has been on my mind for a while.  My friends say that Vitamin C greatly  
enhances a trip.  Does it?  (My guess is that it's a placebo.)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: Washington Post on Qat
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:01:24 GMT

All right, where can we get some of this Qat?


Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Francois Marie Arouet Voltaire
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: njenrigh@mtu.edu (Nick Enright)
Subject: khat
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:25:17 GMT


Ive heard that it is quite a bit more powerful than Crystal meth.

only rumors so far but i hear that it was produced at mtu?

bassically i hear that it gives you a decent speed trip but that the drop is so intense that it then becomes very psychologically addictive.

<<njenrigh@mtu.edu>>

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: phillip@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Phillip Jones)
Subject: Re: Marijuana contains nicotine?!
Keywords: marijuana nicotine disinformation
Reply-To: phillip@kraken.UUCP (Phillip Jones)
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 06:34:45 GMT

In article <jah.723837284@mits> jah@mits.mdata.fi (Jani A. Heinonen) writes:
>phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
>
>>Actually, in parts of Europe, including the British Isles, marijuana and
>>hashish are frequently mixed with tobacco prior to smoking.  I think it's
>>pretty disgusting, myself.
>
>   On the other hand, choking, almost passing away and nearly throwing up
>as a result of nicotine overdose is a sure way to remind the user that (s)he
>has indeed taken a psychoactive substance. The real reasons are, of course,
>practical: It is difficult to consume hashish alone without specific
>paraphernalia.
>
>With the non-irritating, almost refreshing smoke from a water pipe, this is
>easily forgotten and the effects often come as a bit of a surprise, the onset
>time being a few minutes. (You know, when your short term memory really sucks
>for a reason or another...;-)
>--
>Jani Heinonen		jah@mits.mdata.fi		Finger for PGP key
>		  Religion is the DMT of the masses.

I just thought I'd add a bit of info for those people who may be interested.
In Australia a "Water Pipe" is refered to as a "Bong". Just a bit of trivia
and my 0.02 cents worth.
From: honig@ruffles.ICS.UCI.EDU (David Honig)
Subject: Re: The BOOK: Psychedelics Encyclopedia 3rd edition
In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Dec 92 01:08:26 +0200."
             <199212152308.AA02222@mdata.fi>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:15:39 GMT


I forgot some info on the book from AHF:
Ca. res 8.25% tax, 10% discounts to members ($15 student rate $30 others I
think).

Internatl: air: $8/$20 shipped, surface: $5/$20.  surface,  books only: $3/$20
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: melbarbari@vx9000.weber.edu (Mansour Elbarbari)
Subject: Mescal buttons..?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Weber State University - CompSci
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:08 MST  

>Mescaline is extracted from mescal buttons.  The term peyote is used to
>describe any of the a number of cactii.  It is also used, by some people, as
>a synonym for mescaline.

I beleive Mescal is a cactus used to create a very hard liquir in the 
Mexico area.. Many people assume it has mescaline in it since it has
a) the word mescal and b) it comes from a cactus..  The mescal cactus 
doesn't have mescaline in it all.. the name Peyote does describe the
specific cactus Lophophora Williamsii.. there are more powerful 
hallucinogenic cactis used such as Sunamii but Lophophoria Williamsii is the
only one actually called peyote.. Although I have heard that some Indian
tribes call any hallucinogenic cacti the same thing..

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Muffavore)
Subject: Alcohol Responsible For Seventy-Two Nun Murders?  NOT.
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:02:57 PST

In article <1992Dec8.222211.1950@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
> If you are looking for a substance associated with violent and irrational
> behavior, you need look no further than your corner liquor store. 
> An absolutely disgusting percentage of all assaults, rapes, murders
> and suicides are closely tied to acute or chronic alcohol use. LSD
> doesn't even come close to the mark (dose/incident wise). If there
> is one drug that SHOULD be banned - it's ethanol.

	There is no drug that should be blamed -- if someone's a shithead and
acts like one, the drug is simply making it easier for him/her to do so, not
causing it.  Ethanol is the most predictable drug I've used -- a linear path of
effects -- which to me makes it easy to control.  Others are not that
experienced/not functional alcoholics, I guess.  There are no drugs that should
be banned (IMHO, of course ... what a self-righteous prick to post this!), but
more likely, behavior that should be regulated.  
	I am against drunk driving laws and the like.  Why?  I believe in the
freedom of the will.  If you fuck up, you pay -- whether or not you were
using/abusing drugs.

> 
> This guy you mentioned ... was he already strange in the head before
> starting to take LSD ? Either way, he made three big mistakes ...
> first, he picked his friends poorly, secondly he chose an excessively
> uncontrolled setting to get high in (esp as a fairly inexperienced
> user) and thirdly - he went to see one of those brain-butchering
> latter-day phrenologists who like to pretend they are real scientists.
> Yep ... psychiatrists. Stay the hell away from these rabble. No
> rabid crackhead on acid drinking sterno is half as dangerous to
> freedom, sanity and common sense as a shrink with a 'theory'.

	I share the opinion of most writers on medicine and the people
involved:  incompetent fools out for your cashola.

Muffavore
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: an@anon.penet.fi (Screaming in Digital)
Subject: [anonymous] This is a test
X-Anonymously-To: alt.drugs
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:29:17 GMT

Yup, I'm ignoring the help file for the penet server and posting
a test to alt.drugs instead of one of the test groups.  Why?  Because
I live to break rules that others live by MuHAHaHaHaHaHaHA!!!!!!


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From: pjm@isis.cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: What happened to Psylocybin mushrooms?
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:40:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.162721.8116@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mross@nyx.cs.du.edu (mike ross) writes:
>As a lad growing up in Mississippi, I remember cowfields full of
>psylocybin mushrooms.  Now that I'm a grownup (ha) with a near-
>adolescent daughter, I wonder if all those free hallucinogens
>are still available.  I had heard something was being put into
>cowfeed to prevent those 'shrooms sprouting in the cowpies.
>Is this true (still)?  I just want to know if my daughter
>could be getting those without having any money (and thus
>no way for me to know).

you mean the mushrooms with the sun on the top
and little purple rings on the stem (which i think is
(yuck) strychnine, or so we were told)?
very fine indeed. i grew up in New Orleans and
made many excursions to the Mississippi Coast.
don't know if they are still available.
i think they require special weather conditions
and so they are only available in fall?

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
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