HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: trussell@cwis.unomaha.edu (Tim Russell)
Subject: Re: cable tv
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:47:36 GMT

rogers@ial1.jsc.nasa.gov (mister rogers) writes:
>items 1-4 should NOT be controlled by government, these are
>issues that work themselves out by consumers/competition. 
>the only thing any regulation might have business doing is
>guaranteeing the market be open to competition so each 
>individual can select the service provider in their home. 
>even this is debatable.

    Obviously you haven't read the bill itself (why not?  don't want to
be informed?), because what the bill does is to mandate these price controls
only in areas where the cable company is a monopoly, and remove them when
competition is in place (like DBS, which the cable companies have been
fighting tooth and nail and attempting to deny programming to to retain
their monopolies).  This act puts a stop to their unfair attempts to
deny choices to the public, and leaves them alone once it's out of their
hands.

>chalk up one more for over regulation. blame the democrats?

    It's my understanding that Senator Danforth from Missouri is one of the
sponsors, and last time I checked he was a Republican.

>i don't know how the representatives outside Texas voted, 
>but Clinton is for the bill, Bush vetoed it. i think the 
>libertarian stand should be obvious.

    And Bush couldn't even convince 9 Republican senators to have pity on
him and reverse their votes.  Seems to me they're in sync with their
constituents and not in the pocket of the cable conglomerates like a certain
president who's on his way out.  Wanna know who gave Neil Bush a $60k/year
job after he found himself suddenly out of work?

    God forbid our senators should actually leave their parties behind them
for once and do what the population very badly wants them to, despite the
baldfaced lies being fed to them every commercial break!

--
   Tim Russell                 Omaha, NE              trussell@unomaha.edu
      "Who can doubt that pleasure is the only goal of a reasoned life?"
                                                   -- Epicurus
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: mci41087@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Occaisionally)
Subject: Re: Slick Willy's Peace Movement
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 03:45:24 GMT

Plain and simple: Clinton stood up for his beliefs by refusing to kill people   
he believed this nation had no business killing.  Pick up the New York Times
from Wednesday, Sept. 28 (I think, maybe the 29th), and you will see a letter
to the editor from a Vietnam vet from the Marine Corps (Semper Fi!....excuse me)that says basically the same thing.  He makes an even better point: Who do you
want to be Commander in Chief when your son's life is on the line, a guy who
debated the moral questions about whether fighting is right in the first place,
or some gung-ho old man who fought in a bold, neccessary crusade that will not
happen again in our lifetime?  Bush sent my brother to Iraq for oil, the son of
a bitch.  He coulda killed my bro for some bullshit hunk of sand, and he NEVER
killed Hussein, even though anyone with half a brain knows we coulda done it in
our sleep without an invasion, and with far more morality then bombing the Hell
out of 100,000+ innocents.  I have reason to belive that Clinton might not do 
that, mostly because he has struggled with whether fighting is right in a given
situation.  Bush just pulls the trigger.

Matt Ivaliotes
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Subject: Re: Comments on Republican Cowardice
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:34:56 GMT


You too, eh????

I didn't say 'swastika' on purpose, I was being sarcastic by saying 'hooked
cross'.  So I'm still a Nazi even though I don't do anyting that is Nazi,
is that what you're trying to say??

Simon

Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: burleigh@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (Frank Burleigh)
Subject: Re: Bob Dornan on Bill Clinton - IMPORTANT
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:45:35 GMT

In <1992Oct5.200442.16488@uunet!tellab5!odgate> mike@uunet!tellab5!odgate (Mike J. Kelly) writes:

>detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) writes:


>>     Rep. Bob Dornan has been speaking on C-Span in the House
>>live concerning Bill Clinton and his anti-war, anti-Vietnam
>>protests during his college days.

>Consider the source.  Dornan is perhaps best known for physically
>assaulting another member of the House on the House floor by lunging
>at him and trying to strangle him, an act for which Dornan was officially
>censured by the House.  He's a right-wing nut who spends his nights looking
>for communists under his bed -- and everything he says should be taken in
>that context.

Dornan, from California, is no frenetic in his far-right wing
fringe beliefs that he's almost humorous.  Last I heard he was
rather behind in his reelection campaign against a woman 
opponant.  That was probably 2 months ago...

As was written above, anything he says should probably be taken
with a grain of salt; he's almost into political theatre. 
--
Frank Burleigh
Department of Sociology, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN  47405
CIS 72730,1017; Internet burleigh@ogre.cica.indiana.edu; Bitnet burleigh@iubacs
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.marrou,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.elections,talk.politics.theory,alt.politics.clinton
From: shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer)
Subject: Re: AIDS crisis
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:15:20 GMT

In article <BvB7JL.MpB@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz>, moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (moz [chris moseley]) writes:
|> shaffer@achilles.ctd.anl.gov (Michael A. Shaffer) writes:
|> > >AIDS is not God's way of punishing the homosexuals for their lifestyle.
|> 
|> > AIDS is not a punishment from God at all. It is a natural consequence
|> > of ignoring the users manual. Sort of like jumping of a cliff.
|> 
|> Can you please let me know where I can get a copy? It's not listed
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> on any of the catalogues I can access. I assume it has Humans/ people/
|> homo sapiens AND `users manual' in the title/subject.
|> 
|> (or possibly this post was meant for alt.folklore.urban?)
|> 
|> 
|> *love* & *hugs*
|>   ____MOZ___    (moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz)
|>  /\  _______\
|>  \ \ \____  /   If you disagree with anything I have said
|>   \ \ \/ / /    you have my permission to discard the message,
|>    \ \/ / /     then write a rejoinder based on
|>     \  / /      what you hoped I might have said
|>      \/_/

Sure any Bible Book Store. There is a free version but it is not nearly
as explicit.

				mike

What you don't like that users manual. OK fine. Your decision.
From: PDC103@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Principles, principles, principles
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:36:43 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

As far as military confrontation goes, where Clinton may have too little
willingness to battle, George and Ron seemed to have a (LITTLE) too much.
At least Bill and Al can both spell Potatto.  What happened to world freedom
when it came to Bosnia-Herzegovinia?  Really, George, flashbacks of 'nam?  I
played in a sandbox when I was little, too, but some of us have grown up.

-- Phil

Just an opinion, don't have a cow...
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From: mike@gilligan.East.Sun.COM (Mike Roncadori)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
Date: 6 Oct 1992 07:39:58 -0400
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Vienna, Va.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilligan.east.sun.com

In article <Oct05.203207.51974@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> sa114984@longs.lance.colostate.edu (Steven Arnold) writes:
>children incestuously conceived between two consenting adults would be an
>INCONSISTENT exception (and therefore one I would oppose).
>

It would seem to me (from a biological standpoint) that this is
the most damaging of all forms of forced birth. Inbreeding is 
know to reduce genetic diversity, which is considered among mod-
ern genetic science to be desirable.

Why would you force the pollution of your species' gene pool?

-- Mike

-----------------------------------------------------------------
My opinion - not my employer's
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From: kellyb@ccsua.ctstateu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: Comrade Clinton
Date: 6 Oct 92 14:17:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT

In article <1992Oct6.043550.7425@sma2.rain.com>, fred@sma2.rain.com (Fred Brooks) writes:
> A check of the passport records for Bill Clinton for the 69-70 time period
> has revealed that the pages for that period are missing from the state
> department records. The FBI is looking into this matter now.
> I wonder who has them?
> 
> -- 
> Defend your 2nd amendment rights. 
> NRA ACLU VFW
> Fred Brooks   			        Portland Oregon

It's obvious that when Billsky went to Russia he joined the KGB so
he just used his connections to obtain those files.Hey, do you think
he could get me Maxwell Smart's autograph?
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: vsg001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re:Walking down to the student center
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:05:15 GMT

nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM writes:
>One issue that the anti-abortion folks really are unwilling to deal with is
that many of the women who seek to terminate pregnancies are literlly not in
any economic shape to continue them...

Let me get this straight... You think that because a woman cannot afford it,
she should be allowed to have an abortion? What a disgusting thing to say! Is
this the sort of logic that feminists and baby killers rally behind? Here's a
solution: ADOPTION?!? Now if one was so willing to kill a life, and yes it is a
life, why not give the child to people who would love and care for the child?
How cruel of you to assert that because of a woman could not show the common
responsibility of an adult that a child must DIE simply because it is not
economically convenient. This is _logic_? And they say Conservatives are
heartless people who only think .
true, at least we are preserving a life (though our own) not destroying one.
You speak of choice? The only choice that is logical is abstinence and
adoption. Not death. This is all the pro-life people advocate. True, Simon
adopted a choice, a choice for life, but realistically that is the *only*
choice we, as caring people have.
Please excuse any spelling errors, just address the issue.
Here endith the lesson.
--
Disclaimers.Disclaimers.
		VSG001@acad.drake.edu (Vince Goddard-ARCH Conservative) 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
From: sieferme@milton.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman)
Subject: Re: Slick Willy's Peace Movement
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:56:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.202343.15285@cbnewse.cb.att.com> harryo@cbnewse.cb.att.com (harold.r.holm) writes:
>
>> BTW, it was perfectly legal and commonplace for Americans, of
>> all political persuasions, to travel to the USSR in the 60s.
>
>Back in the 60's, I don't recall Americans of any persuasion flocking
>to Moscow in great numbers. (What the heck *for*, supercold winters,
>cheap vodka, and maybe perhaps a few snapshots of all those 
>residents standing in line for a chance to buy just about 
>anything?).  The only Americans who would have had any incentive
>to go to the SU then were the appeasement peace-freakie types.

Your recollections are limited.  It was not at all uncommon
for North American and western European students to study
in the USSR, then or now.  Many US and UK universities had
regular exchange programs, and some private organizations
also arranged special seminars and exchanges in the USSR.
Virtually all academic fields were involved:  math, science,
art, history, etc.
(anecdote:)  I knew a returned Vietnam veteran in the early
1970's who spent an entire year at Moscow University:
no one would have dreamed of calling him a "peace-freak".

>> And Moscow had and has no monopoly on irresponsible arms-
>> trafficking.
>> 
>Yeah, well at that time they were sure as heck trafficking a 
>lot of arms to their North Viet compadres to kill and maim
>American servicemen who were there.  But maybe you'd like to
>claim Bill and the PeaceFreak Happy-Band Travellers still
>really "supported the boys", anyway, eh?  

They "supported the boys" (and "girls") by trying to 
end the war immediately.  On the question of arms:
the USSR was the major arms supplier to North Vietnam,
but other countries in western Europe and Latin America
also sold weapons to the Hanoi government.  Was everyone
who travelled to these countries also traitors?

While on the tangent of arms sales:  Bill Clinton travelled
to a country which was supplying arms to a military enemy
of the USA.  Reagan/Bush sold arms to a military dictatorship
and sponsor of international terrorism, arms which were
later used AGAINST American soldiers.  Who appears
to be the greater threat to US security?  
>
>                                           H.R. Holm


-- 
| Eric Sieferman            |    sieferme@u.washington.edu          |
| U. of W., M.C.I.S.        |    (206) 685-3104                     |
From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: The essence of Clinton
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:06:40 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


I hate Clinton--something to add "Economic policy found in Communist Manifesto,
his name mentioned in the book of Revelation!!"

Simon
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.elections
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Voting for the Hometown Kid (was Another example...)
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 12:03:56 GMT


In article <1992Sep27.135217.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, 
cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu said:

> > ...say something like, "Well, thanks for the phone call, Mr.
> > President, but don't you have any real work that you should be
> > doing right now?" :-) [wdstarr]
>
> I bet that our friends in Arkansas felt the same way when they saw
> their Governor appear on MTV, the Arsenio Hall Show, and Donahue --
> the same Governor who promised in 1990 to complete the 1991-1995
> gubernatorial term if elected.  I sure hope that this promise is
> fulfilled....

Well, y'never know how people are going to feel when their own
Fearless Leader tries to abandon them by moving on to bigger and
better things... back in '88, for example, there was a lot of
grumbling here in Massachusetts that people should vote for Dukakis
just so that he'd become the whole nation's problem rather than our
state's exclusive cross to bear.  (And I personally know a few Boston
University people who supported B.U. President John Silber's 1990
campaign for Governor of Massachusetts [the one he barely lost to Wm.
Weld] because they hated Silber's guts and wanted him out of B.U.)

(Btw, if any of you out there are unfamiliar with ex-Texan John
Silber, just picture a Ross Perot with three billion less dollars, one
less working arm, and none of the charm, charisma or social skills.)

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
From: StarOwl@uiuc.edu (StarOwl)
Subject: Re: Bush's failing health
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Reply-To: StarOwl@uiuc.edu
Organization: Actuarial Science Program at UIUC
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:41:47 GMT
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content

tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:

: You changed the subject.  You're as bad a GHWB himself!  The issue is
: that Bush is NOT as healthy as people think he is.  Has anyone else
: ACTUALLY LOOKED at pictures of him?  He's really not looking good.

*stands up on his chair and starts waving his arms and bouncing around,
acting like a 2nd grader and shouting,* I have!  I have!  memememememe!
:-)

Ahem!

*regains some semblance of insanity*

Seriously, the past four years have not been kind on GHWB.  He certainly
does look older, and maybe a little weaker, but considering the strain
of office, and the strain of running a losing campaign, that isn't 
unexpected.  At least he's looking better than when he upchucked in
Japan, on TV.  :-)

--
Michael Adams (aka StarOwl)	 		"Republicans understand the
Internet:  StarOwl@uiuc.edu			 importance of bondage between
Bitnet:    FREE1217@UIUCVMD			 parent and child."
Anonymous: wi.5467@n7kbt.rain.com			-- Dan Quayle
UUCP:      ...!uiucuxc!uiuc.edu!StarOwl                                    

Marrou/Lord in '92



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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton
Subject: Re: New debate format
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:00:04 GMT
Followup-To: alt.politics.bush
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

StarOwl@uiuc.edu writes:
+gratrix@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jackie Gratrix) writes:
+: I would like to suggest a format for the upcoming presidential
+: debates, based on the 1970's game "The Gong Show".
+: 
+: With this format, you would have a moderator asking questions,
+: with a panel of three journalists who, when feeling the candidate
+: was lying, dodging a question, or giving a stupid answer, 
+: would then be at liberty to "gong" him.
+
+YES!  That's it!  I love it!   :)

Well it would tear me away from watching baseball. :)
-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck		eyc@acpub.duke.edu
Biomedical Engineer 1993	Never take me too seriously.
I don't have to have a 4.0 GPA to succeed in life because I'm 
good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.
From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Slick Willy's Peace Movement
Date: 28 Sep 92 01:23:45 GMT
Reply-To: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
Distribution: na
Organization: Columbia University

In article <5595@news.duke.edu> eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
>clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>:Brad Green writes:
>:> I'm questioning the character of Slick.
>:If you thought the Vietnam war was wrong, why did you go?  If you
>:didn't, what's your problem with Clinton?  He thought it was wrong,
>:didn't go, and spent several years protesting instead.  If the
>:politicians had listened to people like Clinton first, how many of
>:your combat buddies would have died?
>
>And oh, what a wonderful world this would be. Let's give 'em Vietnam and
>the entire Southeast Peninsula, why don't we. It's absolutely wrong to
>fight against Communism. We should just let them march all the way to
>Manila.

Oh, joy.  The Domino Theory.

The Pentagon Papers noted that the Vietnam insurgency was more or less
a war of independence rather than a foreign invasion, as proponents of
the theory would argue.  Futher, Communism is not monolithic.  The
Chinese and the Vietnamese hated each other passionately, and an
independent Vietnamese state would have been a stronger bulwark
against Chinese southern ambitions than any puppet state the US could
have propped up.  Look at _A Bright Shining Lie_ by Neil Shennan and
_America's Longest War_ by some author I can't remember.



--
"I was trying to figure out which of my friends were hedgehogs, and which
were foxes...."
"Shakespeare wrote _King Lear_, NOT _King Leo_...."
From: dejst5+@pitt.edu (David   E Joslin)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Re: Coup de grace:CLINTON Cowardice
Summary: slick is better than slimy
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:06:37 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct4.010125.1@acad.drake.edu> vsg001@acad.drake.edu writes:
[...]
>There you are... and as someone has wisely pointed out, the facts are the
>facts, regardless if you like them or not. Bill Clinton is dangerous, period.
>He has proven that he will do anything to get elected. 

So? Clinton will do anything to get elected.  Bush will do "whatever it
takes to get elected" -- his own words.  Clinton has waffled.  Bush has
waffled.  Clinton has flip-flopped.  Bush has flip-flopped.  

I don't care for either choice, but I know that I don't want four more
years of pandering to dictators, big business and the religious right.
Four more years of voodoo economics and (read my) lip service to the
lower and middle classes.  Or four more years of do-nothing policies and
blame shifting.  

If Clinton is slick, Bush is slimy.
And slick is better than slimy.

dj
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush,alt.politics.clinton,talk.abortion
From: c164-ad@po.berkeley.edu (Martin Guerrero)
Subject: Extremists and Strikers (Was Re: Feminists for Life (was Controlling Women, etc.)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 20:53:28 GMT

Eileen:
1) Are Operation Rescue Poeple Extremists?  Are people who stay near
clinics suggesting other alternatives, or urging people to please not
go extremists?

Just wondering what you meant by Extremists.
From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.bush
Subject: Humor Re: Slick Willy's Peace Movement
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:51:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

mike@uunet!tellab5!odgate (Mike J. Kelly) writes:
=eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK) writes:
=>clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
=>:Brad Green writes:
=>:> I'm questioning the character of Slick.
=>:If you thought the Vietnam war was wrong, why did you go?  If you
=>:didn't, what's your problem with Clinton?  He thought it was wrong,
=>:didn't go, and spent several years protesting instead.  If the
=>:politicians had listened to people like Clinton first, how many of
=>:your combat buddies would have died?
=
=>And oh, what a wonderful world this would be. Let's give 'em Vietnam and
=>the entire Southeast Peninsula, why don't we. It's absolutely wrong to
=>fight against Communism. We should just let them march all the way to
=>Manila.
=
=Here he is!!! The only person in the world who slept through the fall of
=communism -- despite the dire predictions of his ideological soulmates,
=the domino-istas.

Well, so I slept through that lecture in World History. :)

>His next post will lament the fall of the gold standard.

Well, I do wonder how come a substance that is pure gold is 24K. 
Why is that? <<Andy Rooney voice>>

-- 
Emil Thomas Chuck		eyc@acpub.duke.edu
Biomedical Engineer 1993	Never take me too seriously.
I don't have to have a 4.0 GPA to succeed in life because I'm 
good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.
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