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From: ca855@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert Allen Coody)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: UFO sighting in Verde Valley, AZ
Date: 14 Oct 1992 19:18:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Is anyone familiar with a UFO sighting in the Verde Valley of Arizona
within the last three weeks. I have received requests for information
on this subject in our library, supposedly 45 individuals witnessed
an object hovering 45 miles south of Flagstaff on I-17 near a rest 
stop. Any information or a reference would be appreciated.
-- 
Juan de los Caballeros
Time Traveler 1540-?
NAU CFN ETC...        "The Past Lives within the Present" Nemo nd
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 07:58:20 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear People; Maybe you people are right. It might be true that I've been
drinking too much bubble up and eating too much rainbow stew. It might
be that the person that wrote the TV show Battle Star Galactica was a 
member of a certain religious group  and was trying to tell us something.
Who knows, who knows.
John Winston.
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Mars Observer and "the face"
Summary: Is it Perot? The Shadow Knows...
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:10:31 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona UNIX Users Group


Distribution: world
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ
Keywords: 

In article <1992Oct17.000638.20826@odin.corp.sgi.com> rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
>Why should we? The truth has yet to be told. :-(
>
>Rod

All right, we'll tell the truth.  All of it.  Right here,
right now.  The face on Mars has been accurately identified
by hard-working astronomers here at the Southern Arizona
Gizmonic Institute as being none other than presidential
candidate H. ROSS PEROT!!!

When viewed through a HIGH-TECH filter made out of LINGUINI
and $5 DOLLAR BILLS, it becomes clear that the indistinct,
vague photos FORCED upon us by NASA GOVERNMENT MIBs have been
retouched to AVOID revealing that the structures on BOTH sides
of the face resemble NOTHING more than GIGANTIC, MILE-LONG
EARS!!!!!!!!

This PROVES that Perot IS from OUTER SPACE and that, EVEN IF
NOT ELECTED he will use his INFLUENCE to transform OUR WOMEN
into TEN-FOOT-TALL WIENERSCHNITZELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

	Jason Corley, R&D
	Southern Arizona Gizmonic Institute
	Lab Deep 42

ObKibo:  Leader Kibo knows of this INSIDIOUS PLOT and will PROTECT
US ALL if we send him MOLDY TWINKIES and SPAM!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Exploration is not Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:32:53 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets

According to cjr6495@tamsun.tamu.edu (C J Rogers (Chris)):
>In article <2AD43CD7.7703@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>Credible people who believe without proof are a problem.
>
>That is what we have all been trying to say all along!

That may be what _you_ have been trying to say, Chris; but I doubt
that you'd want to lump yourself in with, say, Rod Beckwith.

>We just have to be ready to accept the truth when we find it.

More to the point, since "truth" is unproveable, we have to be ready
to accept the preponderance of evidence.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini
From: rxga@ulysses.att.com (Rick Greer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: alt.alien.visitors.sewage.garbage.bullshit.crackpots.fantasy
Summary: signal vs. noise
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:07:30 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill


<<Kauffman's probably deliberate misunderstanding of Gregg Brown's
   entreaty for a more serious newsgroup dealing with the UFO
    phenomenon is deleted>>

Although the language Gregg Brown employed in his post is unnecessarily
provocative, sarcastic, and impolite, I agree with the basic message.
I too find myself skipping over 95% of the articles here in search
of the few that have any usable information in them.  

I think we do need an `alt.alien.visitors.theory' where substantive,
rational discussion and report is the rule, not the exception.

Rick Greer
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Perot again!!
Summary: The Associated Press don't lie.
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:31:41 GMT
Distribution: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

From The Associated Press:
	"Perot said scathingly that neither Republicans
nor Democrats were willing to take blame for the nation's
huge deficit.
	'Somewhere out there is an extraterrestrial who's
doing this to us,' he said."

WOW!  Since we established a few weeks ago that Perot
is a Grey (or one of their agents), then which alien
race has _already conquered our government_, and do
they oppose the Greys, or are they working together
in a sinister conspiracy?
From: davepat@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Dave Patterson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: auras
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:00:02 GMT

In article <1avhkvINN3km@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM (Good good good good vibrations) writes:
> I was told that my statement was unclear, so I will try one more time.
 
:-)  
 
> When I was a little girl I saw auras, now as an adult I still see 
> auras.  This is NOT and I do repeat, NOT a figment of my imagination.  
> So the remark about if this is a figment of my imagination, then I must 
> have a really good one, meant, 

> Your nuts buddy!  I can see them.  You can't tell me I can't.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hmmm.  Maybe someone should put their pants back on! ;-) 8-) ;-)

> Hope that clears it up.
> 
> Kathie  ;.)


Maybe not ;)

Dave

PS.  Sorry, I just *had* to do that :)
From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: auras
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:20:23 GMT
Organization: GRASP Lab


In article <1bkv78INN7pj@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM (Good good good good vibrations) writes:


>The first thing I see is a trace around a person's body.  It is usually about
>1 inch around them.  Then I see a wave of energy moving off of the first layer.



Is it uniform around the body ? can you see it better under certain lighting conditions ?
Can you see it at night ? Can you see through the aura ?
Do you always see it, or do you trigger your "vision" at will ?

>The third
>layer, and I have only seen the third layer a few times, is when I can see their
>spirit guide around them.  The third layer doesn't show up for me all the time.


Spirit guide ? definition please ? How do you know what it is ???


You say the aura depends on the person feelings. How do you know
that ? Can you "guess" a correspondance between the characteristics
of the aura and the feelings/health/whatever of the person ?
Did you try to guess accuratly the mood of someone based on your
observation ?


Lots of questions, hope you answer them all.



JM.
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ezekiel's spaceship
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:15:22 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	jec@pilatus.zurich.ibm.com (Jean Cherbonnier) wrote:

	>I would like to get some information on a chapter in the
	>Bible (Old Testament) where Ezekiel describes what sounds
	>like the arrival of a space ship and...

... try telneting to info.rutgers.edu, our campus-wide information
system.  Once connected, type:

	"goto<cr>"
	"bible<cr>"
	"Eze<cr>"
	"<cr>"

... that will show you the King James version of the book of Ezekiel.

Hope this helps,

Charles
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Pioneer Probe & The Venusians
Summary: GIVE IT BACK!!!
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:13:49 GMT
Distribution: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

All right, alt.alien.visitor.people:

	The Pioneer Venus Probe's orbit has decayed and it
has fallen down through the atmosphere of Venus where we
can no longer receive data for it.

	Have the Venusians protected their national security
by destroying an interplanetary spy satellite put up by the
"grey" stooges in the Pentagon?  Or is it just an attempt
to begin an interplanetary diplomatic crisis that will lead
to the extinction of _both_ races and complete sterilization
of the inner planets?  Or is it something even more sinister?

	Perhaps NASA is lying to us!  Maybe Pioneer saw something
it wasn't supposed to see and NASA needs a way to keep it secret!
MAYBE THERE'S A FACE ON VENUS, TOO!!!!!

	Or maybe we just screwed up again.  Shouldn't have bought
the Japanese model Pioneer Venus Probe.

	Jason
	The Chrome Burned For You Society
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Bill English
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:08:30 GMT

andreasa@dhhalden.no (ANDREAS ARFF) writes:

>About 16 years ago when Bill E. was removed from his office, Caller ID and 
>ANI was sience fiction for most people.

[Useless flame deleted]

Look, all I was pointing out is that it is possible to know from what 
telephone a call is made using standard phone services currently "within
the technology of the net."  Of course you can't know who is on the other
end of the telephone, just what number the call comes from. 

I personally use Caller ID to screen incoming calls, it is a common service
in the states; the local cable television company uses ANI (and has been for
over 5 years) for pay-per-view events.  While this stuff has not been
publicly available until fairly recently, the phone company has had the
capability for quite some time.

Do I believe the NSA is intercepting and interrupting individual's phone
Not necessarily.  In fact, I put little stock in Bill English's stuff.
But I think that you could make better points to debunk him than the one
you are using.
-- 

Anson Kennedy                                                  anson@netcom.com
Secretary of the Georgia Skeptics (but don't even THINK I speak for them!)

"If you don't watch the violence,   \           "If I had been the Virgin Mary,
you'll never get desensitized to it." \                I would have said 'No.'"
-Bart Simpson                           \  -Margaret "Stevie" Smith (1902-1971)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: 2-mile long gun
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:55:45 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada

>frost... writes:
>Msg-ID: <14OCT199215404913@apsicc.aps.edu>
(stuff deleted)
>  You are both close. As an aside before my explanation the electromagnetic
>railgun is already down to the size that would fit onto the bed of a medium
>size truck. There are at least two companies here in the states that are
work-
>ing on reducing it down further so that it can be a viable tank-mounted
weapon
>with the premise that it would not have to fire heavy explosive or kinetic
>energy projectiles to do damage.
>  The railgun is an ideal weapon for space because to work effectively it
>really
>needs a vacuum within the 'barrel' section. In this manner when the
capacitive
>
(More stuff deleted)                                                Jim
How depressing.  I guess I was being idealistic to think that use for this
thing would not be for weapons and warfare first.  I should know humans by
now.  By the way, is it too late to become an alien.  I hate being related to
o so many people.  Colleen
--
It's not how much I know that counts but how much I'm trying to learn.
The Crimson Bunion
From: andreasa@dhhalden.no (ANDREAS ARFF)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Bill English
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:23:52 GMT
Organization: Ostfold College

Think this is a little bit late but anyway...

I just thought of the Bill English posting some while ago.
It's all baloony.
Because it is impossible to interrupt phonecalls the way NSA, as he 
says, did. (If it was NSA:-)
The simple reason is: You cannot, at the receivers end, know who makes the 
call (within the technology in todays telephone net).
So, if someone made a call to his wife, it's impossible to determine who made
it.

Arff

"Also for the not religous confessor, there is a mystery of higher values,
who's birth mankind - to the last - builds upon. They are indisputible. And 
often disregarded. Seldom you hear them beeing prized, as seldom as you hear 
a seeing man prizeing what he sees." Per Lagerkvist, The Fist 
(Free translation from Swedish)
              --Andreas Arff  andreasa@dhhalden.no--
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.folklore.urban
From: datri@egsner.cirr.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Organization: Central Iowa (Model) Railroad, Dallas, Tx.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 05:01:14 GMT
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets


JC Penny is perpetuating the idea with TV ads repeating the word "round".
From: kanga.caltech.edu!magney (Michael Agney)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Date: 14 Oct 1992 00:09:04 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: kanga.caltech.edu
Originator: magney@kanga

In article <1992Oct11.023854.6339@hfsi.uucp> ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata -  
FSO) writes:
	.
	.
	.
> 
> I've heard that same thing but you know, it really doesn't matter  
whether
> scientists of those days thought the earth was flat or not.  What did
> the common sailors and common folk think in those days.  How do you get  
a
> crew together to face their commonly held fears and brave the Atlantic?
> That is where I think that Columbus gets the credit, IMHO.
> 

Just a thought, but common sailors very well might have believed the earth  
was round, particularly if they traveled very far from their home port,  
because they could observe that they could not see their destination from  
their point of origin but had to come fairly close.  Then, their  
destination seemed to rise from the horizon and approach.

Admittedly, they might not have interpreted it right, but perhaps some  
sailor had a friend who had once heard some scientist-type person say  
something about the earth being round, and put two and two together.

(Sorry about the confusing sentence structure.  Someone [Pascal?] once  
wrote in a letter something like "I have made this letter long only  
because I have lacked time to make it shorter.")

Mike Agney
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: Elite Enterprises <elite@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:03 PDT
Subject: UFO INT'L ORGANIZATIONS NEEDED!!
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1296700009:000:120
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!elite    Oct 14 19:03:00 1992


DOES ANYBODY HAVE A CONTACT FOR A LIST OF UFO-RELATED ORGANIZATIONS THAT
ARE STRICTLY LOCATED OVERSEAS? PLEASE E-MAIL!
From: cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: crop circles
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:36:50 GMT
Organization: Glassboro State College, Glassboro, NJ

are there any books out about those crop circles which were popping up in 
europe?
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: joshua@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Face On Mars An Other Other Time
Summary: details on hoagland's book.
Keywords: hoagland, book, monuments, mars
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:45:39 GMT

a kind soul sent this to me; I forthwith post it to the net.

"telnet dra.com" yields:

   Type of Material: Book

     LC Call Number: QB641 .H63 1987

             Author: Hoagland, Richard C., 1945-

              Title: The monuments of Mars : a city on the edge of forever /
                      Richard C. Hoagland.

   Publication Info: Berkeley, Calif. : North Atlantic Books, c1987.
  Phys. Description: xxvi, 348 p., 34 p. of plates : ill. ; 23 cm.

              Notes: Includes bibliographies and index.

           Subjects: Mars (Planet)--Surface.
           Subjects: Life on other planets.
           Subjects: Cydonia (Mars)

     LC Card Number:    87010813
               ISBN: 0-938190-79-2 : $25.00
               ISBN: 0-938190-78-4 (pbk.) : $14.95



Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:19:23 -0400 
From: Andrew Todd Weinstein <aw2s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Use of 2-mile gun


or how about just shooting the junk towards the sun, and that way the
the material won't be just floating around in space and the sun will get
fed and will properly dispose of the waste.



Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: vere@netcom.com (Steven Vere)
Subject: Re: alt.alien.visitors.sewage.garbage.bullshit.crackpots.fantasy
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:52:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.040316.26314@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> cschmidt@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Christopher Schmidt) writes:
>I agree with Gregg Brown's remarks about this newsgroup.  I came to
>this newsgroup by the same route that Gregg did, or so it would seem,
>having read the books by Strieber, Hopkins, Good, Ring, Jacbos, et al.
>Their material is facinating, as are a very few of the articles posted
>here in alt.alien.visitors.  However, most of the articles in a.a.v
>are off the subject, and it is tedious to wade through them.
>
>One solution, as Gregg suggested, would be to start another newsgroup
>for those of us who are interested in information about the alien/ufo
>stuff.  However, the alien/ufo stuff is precisely what this newsgroup
>was created for, no?  If we do start another newsgroup, what will keep
>unwanted articles from appearing there as well?
>
>My preference would be to persuade contributors to discipline
>themselves. 

   Bozos and crackpots are not going to discipline themselves.  As
someone else suggested, most will simply migrate to the new newsgroup.
I happen to believe that some of these people are professional signal
jammers.  The best bozo-crackpot filter is the kill file, which you
can tune and customize to filter out the noise.

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From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Comments on Berkeley Symposium
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:48:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	  The highlight of symposium for me was John Salter.  He
	expressed the way I feel about ETs better then I could myself.

	  "No creature that is intelligent and has the right values is
	   an alien to me."

... an interesting phrase, that -- "the right values".  What exactly
are the right values?  Votes Democratic?  Pro-abortion (yes, I know,
"pro-choice", but let's call it what it is, ok?)  Is a Perot
volunteer?   Family values?   Manson Family values? 

   My opinion is that expecting any alien culture to have "values"
even remotely recognizable to us (especially if "us" live in places
like California, or maybe especially if "us" is from California) is
naive in the extreme.

Charles
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Faq
From: ajmal@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (SIDDIQ, AJMAL)
Date: 12 Oct 1992 01:18 MST  
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <Bvp2xE.7n5@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk>, murraysd@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Stephen D Murray) writes...
> 
> 
>Could someone please post the Faq, or mail it to me or tell me how to ftp it?
>I lose my access in a couple of days and I'd like to have the Faq before that.
> 
> Thanks to all who replied to my posts.
> 
> Cheers, Stephen D Murray.
>       <murraysd@dcs.gla.ac.uk>  (till Thursday )
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFOs and Newage
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 06:38:50 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

Dear Folks: I stand corrected Women it will be. I now am planning on
making a trip this winter into the gold area of Death Valley (if it 
is OK with my wife). I still need one of two hand held CB walky talkies
with a range of 5 miles and some form of light (carbide of lanterns).
Maybe my friend that works on a program for the Navy who works about
10 miles from Wingate Pass can get in touch with me.
John Winston.
From: rajain@scotty.ecs.umass.edu (Rajat Jain)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Alien Races?
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:06:18 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Oct14.095653.20532@reed.edu>, bcushman@bagpipe.reed.edu (Ben Cushman) writes:
|> 
|> Hello out there--
|> 
|> A while back I encountered a post on the various types of alien races that  
|> we know about.  Unfortunately, I lost my copy of this post.  If anyone has  
|> information detailing the various alien races, please e-mail it to me.
|> 
|> 				Thank you--
|> 
|> 					Ben Cushman

me too :-)

Thanks,
Rajat
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Subject: Columbus (was Re: Face on Mars An Other Time)
Summary: measurement error
Keywords: measurement, side bets
Reply-To: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:42:31 GMT
Expires: 11/13/92

> Columbus undertook his journey, he was unprepared for a trip to Asia.  So,
> you see, he was right about the shape of the world, wrong about it's size,
> and wrong about an intervening continent.  Voila, success!  Sometimes, two
> wrongs do make a right :)
> 
> >Bryan O'Sullivan                                        bosullvn@unix1.tcd.ie

The mistake Columbus made was more elementary.  The Greek texts reported the 
diameter of the Earth quite accurately.  The measurement was "stadia," based
on the length of the Olympic Stadium.

Unfortunately, there were two different stadia.  The "old" stadium was
smaller than the "new" stadium.  When Columbus looked up the conversion for
"stadia" he used the "old" measure.  As a result, he thought the world was a
lot smaller than it really is.

Combine this with the impossibility to determine longitude without a seagoing
clock much more accurate than anything available at his time and you can see
why he had reason to think that this new land mass was the back side of the
"Indies."

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jcj@tellabs.com (jcj)
Subject: Re: auras
Organization: Huh?
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:45:27 GMT

In article <1avhkvINN3km@male.EBay.Sun.COM> kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>...
>Your nuts buddy!  I can see them.  You can't tell me I can't.
>...

Better check your fly, buddy.
-- 
		        jcj@tellabs.com
	  "It's a thought!  It's just a THOUGHT!" 
			~ C. Manson
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors