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From: rlf@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Bob Feldman)
Subject: Re: Lower back support for car trips
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:47:41 GMT

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In article <2A75A6D0.5D7E@deneva.sdd.trw.com>, Peter R. Olpe <olpe@mamacass.etdesg.trw.com> writes:
|> 
|> Does anyone have any good ideas for what to use for
|> lower back support for long car trips?  Do the various
|> items you can buy from car shops really work?
|> 
|>          -Pete Olpe-
|>          olpe@mamacass.etdesg.trw.com

My wife has back problems, and has tried several back-cushions/seats from
car stores and hospital supply shops.  None of them helped much.  The
seats on our previous car (VW  Dasher wagon) were pretty good, but our present
car seats (Toyota Camry Wagon) are not very good.

For now, my wife just uses thin pieces of foam sheets, cut to fit
underneath and behind her.
Not very elegant or convenient, but better than any commercial seats she's found.

I'd be interested in what you hear on this topic.

Bob Feldman
Newsgroups: rec.travel,uiuc.general
From: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Subject: Re: Help!!! Directions needed to Indiana Dunes 
Originator: btc30679@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: thoth@uiuc.edu (Ben Cox)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:44:24 GMT

ikg1591@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Irina Kosinovsky ) writes:

> To those living in Chicago area: I need directions to Indiana Dunes.
> I know its somewhere south of Chicago and I've been there once but
> forgot how I got there :)

It is east of Chicago, not south.

57 north to Chicago.  94 east to Chesterton, IN (my home town :^>).
Take the Hwy 49 Chesterton exit NORTH (Chesterton is south).  You will
reach a point where you can no longer take Hwy 49 north.  At that
point, you will be at the Indiana Dunes.  :-)

This is about 40 min to 1 hr east of Chicago (depending on how fast
you drive :^>).

I don't know whether you wanted the Indiana Dunes State Park or the
Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore.  Frankly, I never can keep straight
which is which, but the directions I give above take you to the (IMHO)
superior beach of the two.  The other is not far from there.

--
Ben Cox
thoth@uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: samg@confusion.asd.sgi.com (Sam Gupta)
Subject: Train form Paris to Oslo ...
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:22:10 GMT

I am planning to take the train to oslo form Paris. Has anyone done this
before ?

Any info ( about duration,best route etc) is appreciated. 

Please email.


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Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Avis Europe Experience
From: <JHVAUGHN@MIAMIU.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 29 Jul 1992 16:01:49 EDT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

Just to relate to a positive experience with Avis....three weeks ago used the A
vis "Discover Europe" plan on a rental in Frankfurt, Germany; took along a vouc
her paid for in the US in advance for $270 for 10 days on a mid-size Opel Vectr
a; spent all of 3 minutes at the counter, got a car with fewer than 2000 km on
it, drove it with no problems for 10 days, turned it in at the airport with a f
ull tank of gas...no extra charges or delays (only the German taxes, of course)
....This is the second time I've used this plan; the other time was in England
with Avis.  They were great,the car was also great.  Have also rented from Hert
z and Europcar before in Europe, and Avis was the most accommodating.
 
John Vaughn
Miami University
Oxford, Ohio USA
From: U48073@uicvm.uic.edu (Cole Kendall)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: London, Information wanted
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:37:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: uicvm.92210.113757U48073
 <990006@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

In article <990006@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com>, kinch@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Kinch
Malapitan) says:
>
>In rec.travel, rberi@encore.WPI.EDU (Rajesh Beri) writes:
>
>> I have around ten hours to kill in London.  Could someone
>> send me the following information :
>
>> 1) How long does it take from Heathrow to the city ? Best form
>>    of transportation ? Schedule, fare etc.

The tube costs BP 2.50 each way from Heathrow; for BP 3.40 you can buy
a full day pass after 9:30 am.  The ride to downtown takes about 45 min
to an hour; trains come every five to ten minutes.

As an aside, if you have a reasonable US cash card (i.e. Cirrus), you can
get cash (pounds) from a London cash machine at a reasonable rate.
Unfortunately, I did not find any such machines at Heathrow, only
a change booth that charged hefty fees.

Cole Kendall
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: gfl@hera.uucp (22402-lenahan)
Subject: Re: Sightseeing in Boston?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 21:40:34 GMT
Summary: a few clarifications ...

> |> Beware however, that the back bay is not far from Boston's infamous ghetto:
> |> Roxbury. Roxbury is accessed by the "orange" subway line, thus the orange line
> |> might best be avoided late at night.
> 
> I'll say several things to this.  One, Roxbury is just another residential
> neighborhood.  Although it has crime problems, it doesn't deserve to
> be called an "infamous ghetto", and its residents would not appreciate
> that description.

Sorry if I offended you, but Roxbury is NOT a good place, and
I intend to warn folks of that.  Also, a ghetto is neither
derogatory, nor implying a run-down area.  It is a neighborhood
of like people.  Beacon hill is aghetto. 

Two, the Orange lines are quite a problem late, compared with
the balance of the system.  Last I lived in Boston, certain
orange and green-orange stations were closed at night.  Guess why.
> 
> Third, the Orange Line doesn't really go through Roxbury, it sort
> of skirts around it.  The Orange Line is just as safe as any other subway
> line.   Once you're in the subway system, most of it is the same:
> well-lit and friendly, although not necessarily fast or efficient.

I disagree, see above.
> 
> One reason to ride the Orange Line is to reach the Arnold Arboretum,
> a beatiful park designed by Frederick Law Olmstead and jointly administered
> by Harvard University and the City of Boston.   The Arboretum has an
> amazing collection of flowering trees and shrubs from all over the world.

It is very nice.


n't let me scare anyone, I started with my opinion that the T is
safe, ....but then the caveats.


Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 12:51:45 -0400 
From: "Louise B. McFeaters" <lm00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Kauai Hotels

I would like to know the name of a nice hotel, with alot of atmosphere
in Kauai. Something more along the lines of a thatched roof, than a high
rise holiday inn. If you know of any, please let respond. And Thanks.

Louise
Xref: sparky rec.travel:10957 rec.travel.air:3683 soc.culture.china:21700 soc.culture.hongkong:9423
From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Newsgroups: rec.travel,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Trip to China: More info needed
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:46:33 GMT
Followup-To: rec.travel
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

Thanks to all those who responded to my first posting about my trip to China.
Here are some more questions.

1- On my flight from Beijing to Shanghai, I have a choice of China Eastern
   airlines and Air China.  Which one should I choose?  The approx price
   is $90 for coach, and $120 for first.  Should I choose first since I have
   heard that first is like USA coach, and Chinese coach is pretty bad?
   Comfort for this 6 ft 2 inch guy with long legs is most important.

2- I might have to stay in Shanghai for a night on my way to Wuxi and
   Hangzhou.  Anybody ever stay at the Holiday Inn Shanghai?  Is it in an
   active part of town?

3- My travel agent at Council Travel has recommended traveling to Wuxi and
   Hangzhou.  Although he will give me ideas on things to do in both
   places, I would appreciate any comments that you might have.  Places to
   see, to eat, and hotel recommendations.  Has anyone travelled by boat
   between either Wuxi and Shanghai or Hangzhou?

4- From Shanghai to Guangzhou (Canton), I have a choice of Chinese Eastern
   Air, China Southern Air, and Shanghai Air.  Coach is going to be the ticket
   I buy since its approx $94/one way, and first is $243.  Any opinions on
   which airline I should or should not fly?

5- In Guangzhou, I might spend a night at the Holiday Inn (pricey at $70/night)
   but I may go elsewhere.  Any opinions on other places to stay.  Someone
   mentioned a Hydrofoil to travel from Canton to Hong Kong.  Any opinions
   on this?

6- In Hong Kong, besides shopping and eating :) what would you recommend I
   see or (very important) not see.  So much to do according to my guide
   book that I am not certain.  
   Where's the best, liveliest section of Hong Kong to stay in?  Has anyone
   stayed at the YMCA of Hong Kong or the YMCA International House?  I heard
   that the first YMCA caters more towards English speaking visitors than
   the International house.

7- MONEY!  Should I expect to be able to access a money machine (Plus 
   or Cirrus) easily in Shanghai, Beijing, Canton?  I do expect that I 
   can in HK.

I might take an excursion into Singapore.  Any recommendations for bucket
shops in Hong Kong would be much appreciated!

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.  E-mail please.

--Ken
  staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
From: ikg1591@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Irina Kosinovsky )
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: What to do in Boulder, CO area?
Date: 27 Jul 92 20:57:22 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack) writes:
 Also, at the mentioned mall , there is a very cute russian restaurant called
 something like "Little Russian Caffe" . Very nice.
 Irina


>on the way to Estes Park, have a breakfast (outside) at the
>Nederlands Cafe in Nederland

>Michael
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: tlholli@olympus.srv.PacBell.COM (Theresa Hollidge)
Subject: Re: Passport needed for visa?
Reply-To: tlholli@olympus.srv.PacBell.COM
Organization: Pacific Bel
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:57:32 GMT

As far as I know, you need your passport in your hand when applying for a visa, that way the visa-granting consulate knows your government will give you a passport and you have a place for the visa stamp.

Also, you don't need to go anywhere except your local main branch post office for your passport.  You can call them and they'll tell you exactly what you need.  Something like, $35, 2 2x2 photos, birth certificate.  You fill out the application they give you turn in the necessary items and they mail you the passport within the next 2 weeks.  Which I think is the shortest time for a new passport - I don't think any agency will issue a passport on the spot (except overseas when you've been mugged) but I don'

t know for sure.  Make sure to call the post office first to make sure they have the applications.  You can also apply for a lot of visas through the mail if you like - call up the consulate and ask them what you need to do.  It's always a good idea to call them first to know what documents they need before you apply.  Sometimes they need roundtrip tickets and proof of employment.

Good luck!

Teresa

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  Strategic Informations Systems Division
  Pacific Bell
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From: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM (Gary Chin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: discount airlines or coupons
Date: 28 Jul 1992 16:52:56 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: ssf
Keywords: discount, coupons


Does anyone know of cheap flights to Salt Lake City?

I am planning to fly from S.F. to Salt Lake City in Sept.

There is an airline called Morris Air Travel that flies from Oakland
or San Jose to Salt Lake City for $138 RT., but the flights leave at
the wrong times for me.

Also, I heard about a company called Best Fares on the radio.  This
company prints a newsletter listing the cheap fares and ways to get
coupons for airline discounts.  Any experience with these things would
be appreciated.

Gary

Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: cws@mbunix.mitre.org (Chris)
Subject: Marthas Vineyard
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:15:30 GMT


Hi,

I'm planning to go to Martha's Vineyard for a vacation this September.
I would like to get some info on where to stay (Edgartown, Vineyard Haven,
Oak Bluffs, etc.) Places to eat, things to do would also be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Chris Wilder-Smith
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: cic0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CARMEN I. CORREA)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: PA to Boston
Date: 29 Jul 92 16:31:08 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

What is the fastest route to get to Boston from northeastern Pennsylvania?
I95 or 84?  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: douglasc@fraser.sfu.ca (Douglas Ming Chong)
Subject: Re: Canadian Taxes-Refund
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:45:52 GMT

nichols@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Pat Nichols) writes:

>In <ataylor.711909625@uclagsm> ataylor@agsm.ucla.edu (Al Taylor) writes:

>>I remember a discussion concerning how to get refunded for taxes
>>payed while on vacation in Canada. Could someone tell me how I
>>would go about doing this or a t least point me in the right direction.

>I have to admit, I am jealous of visitors to our fair country.  At a
>total of 14% here in Manitoba, our extra taxes make a sizable dent in
>your wallet.

>I just checked this out for my neice's pending visit.  I asked them
>to send the application forms directly to me as the person I talked
>to at Revenue Canada was not sure about their availability here in
>Manitoba.

>You can write to:

>Revenue Canada, Customs and Excise 
>Visitors Rebate Program 
>Ottawa, Ontario 
>Canada       K1A 1J5

>Or call, toll free from anywhere in Canada 1-800-668-4748.  Outside
>of Canada call (613) 991-3346.

The other method of getting a refund is to visit a Canadian Duty-Free
store with your receipts.  With proof of residency in the U.S. you
can fill out the form at the Duty-Free Store and instantly receive
your GST refund from that store.

Doug

Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.canada
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Young homeless in Canada?
Followup-To: soc.culture.canada
Keywords: Canada Toronto Montreal homeless
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 17:29:01 GMT

anne@cs.UAlberta.CA (Anne J.R. Nield) writes in rec.travel:
>hausman@caffeine.cen.uiuc.edu (Kevin Hausman) writes in rec.travel:
>
>>In both Toronto and Montreal, we were accosted by lots of young 'homeless'
>>people on the street asking for money.  These people, both men and women
>>(or should I say, boys and girls...) seemed to be about 18-21 years old.
>>The particular streets were Yonge (in Toronto) and St. Catherine (Montreal).
>
>>Anybody know anything about this?
>
>Not a lot.  But there does seem to be a real problem with homeless kids
>in the larger urban centres in Canada right now.  Most are runaways of
>some description -- and they head for the nearest large city and the
>"bright lights".

There is also a not-insignificant proportion of "summer slummers" from
the middle-to-upper-class suburbs who blow off their summer in the city
(no beaches like in Beverly Hills 90120) by playing out their fantasies
of being a "punker" (as in underground rock music, etc.).  Evidence to
this is to go down Yonge Street or rue Ste. Catherine Est in September
and compare against what you saw in the summer.

One must note that the British pop/rock music scene has a much higher
profile up north, especially in the biggest cities (Toronto/Montreal/
Vancouver).  With a large variety of alternative subcultures to dip
into, these things happen.  (As a further note, there are also those
who consciously follow these alternative subcultures year-round ...)
In many ways, Canada is like California with cold weather in winter
and not many beaches ... (-;

Of course, this is not meant to trivialize those who are truly in a
mess, as homeless and runaways.

gld

PS: follow-ups to Soc.culture.canada about wild Canadian youth ...
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From: os2dev@flash.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Bruce Rienzo)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Information on Jamaica Reqd.
Date: 22 Jul 92 09:35:16 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

Hello ,

At the beginning of August I plan to go to Jamaica.

Can anyone give me a list of addresses of cheap hotels and
interesting places to visit, particularly non-tourist areas
and any other useful information about Jamaica?

I plan to hire a car also. Can anyone give me any tips on car rental
prices, problems to be aware of etc. etc.

Please reply via Email at the address below.

Thank you very much. 

Marco.

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From: hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Haiyan  Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: Air Couriers
Date: 26 Jul 92 04:01:17 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

COuld somebody tell me what Air COurier is?

Haiyan
Newsgroups: rec.travel,soc.culture.czecho-slovak,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.europe
From: wcs@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (Bill Stewart 908-949-0705 erebus.att.com!wcs)
Subject: What to see in Prague, Slovakia, Austria, Budapest, Munich ?
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs Random Organization Name Generator
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 01:09:00 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: tourist looking for advice

Next month I'll be spending a week in Prague, a week at a conference
in Poprad, and then a week wandering around on trains, ending up in Munich.
What should I see on the way?  Tentative plans are to spend a day or two
in Slovakia, then Budapest, then Vienna, then take scenic trains to
Innsbruck and up to Munich, but I'm pretty flexible about that part.
Is there anything I shouldn't (or should) miss?

Also, what is there to do in Munich for about 6 hours between airport
and train station, in case we can't make the train connection we'd like?

I speak a little bit of German, and we've been listening to
phrase-book tapes for Czech, so we've got some ability to handle
non-English-speaking activities and navigation.

Thanks
-- 
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From: tavares@danville (Jack Tavares)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: PA to Boston
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:12:53 GMT
Reply-To: tavares@ctron.com
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

cic0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CARMEN I. CORREA) writes:
: What is the fastest route to get to Boston from northeastern Pennsylvania?
: I95 or 84?  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
: 
: Thanks!

Depends on the time of day you will be travelling.
If you will be traveling during rush hour, I would
recommend 84, otherwise try 95.

Both stink. I just drove through PA on my way home
from NC to NH. I would recommed taking back roads.
Rt 209 comes to mind(along the Delaware Water Gap)

Of course I was on a motorcycle, so your mileage may vary


Jack Tavares	tavares@ctron.com <- use this address
Cabletron 	PO Box 5005 Rochester, NH 03867-0505
(603) 332-9400 x 1463 (603) 332-1019 (FAX)
Disclaimer: Cabletron could care less!
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: merylf@brtph115.bnr.ca (Meryl W. Freeman)
Subject: Aruba: Windsurfing Packages?
Originator: merylf@brtph115
Organization: BNR, Inc. Research Triangle Park, NC
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 20:20:59 GMT

Hi,

I'm posting this for a friend, and I normally don't read this newsgroup so
if this question is inappropriate, please don't flame!

My friend is interested in windsurfing package deals to Aruba. He wants to
know if anyone can post some phone numbers or addresses for windsurfing 
organizations or other places that sponsor these package trips 
(plane, hotel included). He'd also like scuba diving to be part of the 
package, but it's not essential.  Please post, since our site does not have 
external e-mail capability.

Thanks in advance,

Meryl
_______________________________
Sorry, no e-mail. Please post.
From: luzenko@catfish.ocpt.ccur.com (Bill Luzenko)
Newsgroups: rec.travel
Subject: Re: PA to Boston
Summary: take 84 I95 swings down too far.
Date: 29 Jul 92 20:25:09 GMT
Organization: Concurrent - Oceanport NJ

In article <1992Jul29.163108.80102@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, cic0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CARMEN I. CORREA) writes:
> What is the fastest route to get to Boston from northeastern Pennsylvania?
> I95 or 84?  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> Thanks!

Take 84 I95 swings down too far.
Newsgroups: rec.travel
From: leej@sgi.com (Lee Jones)
Subject: Re: Info needed: Cape Hatteras, Blue Ridge Mtns
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:38:36 GMT

In article <5204@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> jcrowder@morse.cns.vt.edu (Jeff Crowder) writes:
>
>THEN...
>
>Cut out early and head for the mountains! 

I politely dissent.  Jeff is sending you too far north.  The whole Blue
Ridge stretch is exquisite, and you don't need to head all the way up
to Blacksburg to have a good time.

Using whatever road is appropriate (I don't remember now), work your way
back into central NC (Raleigh/Durham area).  Stop at Duke (go BlueDevils!)
and visit the Chapel and the Duke Gardens.  Eat lunch at Nance's Cafe.

Now take I-85 west, and pick up I-40 in Greensboro (or Winston-Salem,
I forget).  Then at North Wilkesboro, pick up NC 421 west (I could be 
wrong about that route number.  It's the road that stays generally due
west when I-40 turns southwest).  Take 421 a ways, you can go north up
16 into Ashe County - exquisite Blue Ridge mountain country, 221 goes 
up there as well, and into W. Jefferson, a delightful small town, and 
you should be able to find some campgrounds up there.

If you choose to go up 16, (maybe) stay and (definitely) eat at
Shatley Springs.  It's right on rte. 16 on your left as you're northbound.
They have these little cabins you can stay in (probably quite cheap)
and the restaurant is classic family-style feed until you drop.
I get hungry just thinking about it.

If you keep going on 421, you'll get to Blowing Rock, home of a theme
park sort of place whose name escapes me, and (I hope it's still there)
the Tweetsie Railroad. 

Have a great time, it's beautiful up there.

Regards, Lee

Newsgroups: rec.travel