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My buddy bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:
>In article <28600030@hplred.HP.COM> moussavi@hplred.HP.COM (Farshid Moussavi)
>writes:
>
>SalAm farshid khAn:
>
>****  This is not a criticism, but an observation.  I offer it as an observer
>****  and I have no doubt that you did not mean it, but I would like to show
>****  that how DANGEROUS it is to _emulate_ some people's style, even for the
>****  sole purpose of demonstration.  - HFN

oh oh, what have I done?????

>>use your own highly advanced tactics on you to see how it feels:
>>
>>Seyyed, I think you are exhibiting the behavior that you do because you
>>really need a husband.  Let's face it, you need one good act of LavAT
>>to lighten up your life.  After all, what else could be the cause of your
>>frustration besides not getting f***ed enough?
>
>So far you are heavily involved to mimic the poster's earlier post in an
>attempt to demonstrate to HIM that his post was not nice.
>
>>Now, I'm sure there are some
>>nice homosexuals in our community who are reading this net, and would love to
>>satisfy your each and every desire!
>
>'kAkA, kharAb kardi.'  I resent the above characterization.  Once you try
>to emulate a person's post, you will try to your best ability to write like
>that person and in the process you might insult innocent people.  Those nice
>homosexuals in _our_ community (ie, sci) were not and are not part of the
>recent discussion between you and Seyyed.  Again, I would like to reiterate
>that I perfectly understand that you are not against the Iranian homosexuals
>but 'oomadi abrooro dorost koni, zadi cheshmo ham koor kardi.'  Besides,
>even if our Iranian homosexuals read this net, I doubt if they would like
>to consider the thought. :-)

Thank you for your excellent point, and it is well taken.  In fact, I was
afraid of this possibility when I first wrote that paragraph.  I don't
think that I insult homosexuals as a whole here, since I say I'm sure
there are "SOME nice homosexuals out there.." The only reason I chose  
the homosexual character is that I wanted to place Seyyed exactly where
he placed Mahin, and since he is a man (or at least calls himself one),
any husband for him would by necessity be homosexual.  (Suggesting that he
needs a wife wouldn't help, because that would just boost his heterosexual ego).
Now to say that I insulted homosexual men because I suggested there might be a 
few out there who might be interested in Seyyed, is like saying that Seyyed 
insulted all heterosexual men by suggesting there are a few that are interested 
in Mahin, for example.  Or a better analogy is if I had suggested that Seyyed 
needed a wife, and that I am sure there might be a few nice women that might be 
interested in him, one cannot conclude that I have insulted heterosexual women 
in general.  Of course, I understand how some people might take this the wrong 
way, since there is much more discrimination against homosexuality, creating a 
defensive nature when it comes to this issue.  Nonetheless, I would like to 
clearly state that my goal was definitely not to ridicule or put down 
homosexuality, but just give Hazrat-e-Seyyed a taste of his own medicine.

>The problem as I see it is that your attempt _characterized_ homosexuals as
>bunch of sex-thirsty people who would go after anyone including Seyyed just
>to satisfy their urges.  It is the _characterization_ that I am questioning
>even though my vantage point was not within your 'daricheh' because you were
>sincerely focusing on emulating Seyyedian mentality.

Well taken, but please remember that I said "some nice homosexuals", not
something like "any homosexual out there, etc.,etc." I don't think that I have 
_characterized_ all homosexuals as a bunch of sex-thirsty people,
and certainly not (god forbid) who would go after Seyyed!  (You never know what
diseases they might get!)

>The level of mentality you are trying to expose here is already known to sci.
>There is no reason to resort to _dangerous adventures_ like above to prove
>a case that every one at sci is aware of.  In the above example, homosexuals
>were used as an object to demonstrate that is Seyyed dids not speak nice.  It
>was _uncalled_ for, IMHO.

I agree that it is known, but I also think it is important to not leave 
below the belt slander from close minded people unanswered, and the fight 
against tyranny must always go on.  Like I said, I chose the example of
homosexual for Seyyed simply because any husband of Seyyed must by definition
be homosexual, and my intent was not to "use" this community as an object.
Of course, I can see how suggesting that anyone in this community might be 
interested in Seyyed might be an insult, so my apologies on that for sure!
In addition, if anyone feels offended in general by this example, my apologies
as well.  When I wrote it, I never thought of homosexuals as lower or less
deserving than heterosexuals, and I still don't. I clearly wanted to start
an opposite and EQUAL counterexample for Seyyed, without putting down any
of the characters involved, except maybe Seyyed, but I couldn't bring him 
lower than where he has already brought himself, anyway.

(a bunch of well taken comments deleted..)

>Reading your earlier posts farshid, I would comment that - with all due
>respect to you - you are not and cannot even get close to those sick
>mentalities.  It's not in you man!  You ain't have it, so don't even try to
>emulate it because your implementation would create a poor one.  I have
>read so much positive and rational discussions from you that I wonder why
>one would even want to offer the opposite of what s/he is good at.

I'm not as clean and innocent as you think, but thanks for the great complement!
>
>Regards,
>Hooshyar F. Naraghi
>bavafa@netcom.com
>(415) 322-8056

>PS.  I do not support the act of homosexuality, although I respect homosexual
>people just like the rest of _us_ humans for they are 'people' first.

I agree completely, and thank you for your understanding.

wishing you the best and freshest dairy products,

Agha Javad

BaghAl-e-sar-e-koochatoon
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