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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: BATMAN:  "Feat of Clay" (spoilers)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:25:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.004804.1455@newshost.unh.edu>, tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb) writes:
>   I realize somebody already asked this about yesterday's Batman, but could
> someone please summarize what happened on today's episode? I seem to have a
> roommate who doesn't realize when the timer is set on the VCR, so I missed
> it today and am quite pissed.

 9 9/92	FEAT OF CLAY (Part I)		AKOM	Clayface (origin)

Quick plot synopsis:
Matt Hagen, "The man of a thousand faces", is an actor who usually plays
character roles in B-pictures for Gotham's Imperial Studios.  His face
was mutilated in a car accident some time ago, but with the help of a
special cream provided by industrialist Roland Daggett, he can re-shape
his face into any face he desires, including his own before the crash.
The catch is, he has to help Daggett on his takeover of Wayne Enterprises
to get more of the stuff.  After an attempt to get some evidence of
Daggett's insider trading from Wayne's friend and right-hand man Lucius Fox
backfires, Daggett orders his men to dispose of Mr. Hagen, which they do by
smothering him with the special flesh-molding cream.  Meanwhile, Batman is
trying to discover who was impersonating Wayne on the attempted
evidence-snatching (guess).  At the end of the episode, Wayne (the real one)
is arrested when he sneaks into in Fox's hospital room, while Hagen has been
transformed into the hideous Clayface.  To be continued tomorrow.

Mediocre episode.  So-so plotting, STUPID flying sequence with the
Batplane, and some awful animation from AKOM, which seems more suited
to TMNT than to this show.  I'm very dissapointed with Marv Wolfman's
writing, he used to be much better when he was writing the TEEN TITANS
comic back in the mid-to-late 80's.  And I have a real problem with the
Batplane.  The entire series has a techno-art deco look to it, and here
we get something straight out of a STAR WARS film!  It's completely
incongruous with the rest of the show.  Even the inside of the thing
still had the retro-40's look to it.

But the episode had some good things in it.  Mr. Conroy is growing into
the Batman voice; I just loved his "YOU LYING SLIME!!" to poor Mr. Bell.
And the character designs were pretty good, especially Mr. Daggett.  He
looked just like something Bob Kane (creator of Batman, in case you weren't
paying attention to the end credits) would have come up with.
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From: mcbride@cs.arizona.edu (Chris M. McBride)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: best current toons
Date: 5 Sep 92 08:59:02 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson


    I am sorry to all of the tiny toon lovers, but I have to say this.
I think tiny toons never should have been. It is a great idea, good
animation, But who choose those colors? I cannot  stand watching this
'show' its just wrong, its almost like blasphemy.
 
But my personal favorites are Simpsons, and Ren & Stimpy.
 
And shucks Batman start tommorow, and I don't have a tv guide so I am
clueless as to when it is on.
 
Chris

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From: rgaines@engin.umich.edu (Robert A Gaines)
Subject: When does the X-Men cartoon start?
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 17:01:12 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa

    I picked up a TV guide the other day, and in a special 
preview section, it claims the new X-Men cartoon will be on
Saturdays at 11:00.  In the regular listings, however, neither
WKBD channel 50 in Detroit nor WUPW channel 36 in Toledo 
are broadcasting X-Men at any time on Saturday 9/12.  (The 
stations appear to be filling the vacant half-hour with George
of the Jungle re-runs.)    

   Is this just a local thing, or is X-Men making its debut
on a later date?  (Possibly Saturday 9/19?)
From: ted4646@zeus.tamu.edu (kid eternity)
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Subject: Re: poison ivy (spoilers)
Date: 12 Sep 1992 22:59:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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In article <92255.143938JSMITH@NDSUVM1.BITNET>, JSMITH@NDSUVM1.BITNET writes...
> 
>     does anyone know when poison ivy and ras-al-ghul will appear on the
>          animated series?

Poison Ivy--This Monday

spoilers:




















Bruce's friend, Harvey Dent, appearantly dates the wrong type of woman on Monday


-thomas				ted4646@zeus.tamu.edu

"CAPRICORN (Dec. 22 - Jan. 19) -- A romantic adventure is sure to spice
up your life.  You can use the excitement."
	-My horoscope for Monday, Aug. 3 (Houston Chronicle)
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From: jgl41717@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Synn  )
Subject: ---- LIQUID TELEVISION ----
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:41:57 GMT

....Will premeire a new season Tuesday, Sept 22, 1992 at 9 PM, Central.
I do not know if this Tuesday premeire means that this show will air on
Tuesday evenings for the rest of the season.

(  ]\ \/ /=_==_===_==_=======================================================
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Language (was Re: BATMAN: TAS)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 18:51:41 GMT

In article <BuHL2s.53I@CAM.ORG>, emru@CAM.ORG (Emru Townsend) writes:
> In article <1992Sep9.002057.12191@wam.umd.edu> vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell)) writes:
> >>Finally, a cartoon that doesn't talk down to you (and the only cartoon 
> >>that I can recall in which a character says "My God").
> >
> >Ren 'n' Stimpy does.  And even TTA has.
> 
> As did Robotech.  I can't think of any others, though.

One thing that surprised me:  in "It's Never Too Late", the guy describing
Stromwell's rescue to the Commish says: "I saw him!  Batman saved his butt!"

Now, I don't know about you, but I hadn't heard the B-word in television,
much less in cartoons.
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From: tcw@kepler.unh.edu (Timothy C Webb)
Subject: Re: Conan the animated
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:57:05 GMT

In article <BuF1M5.4I2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mlj44080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael Lee Jacobs) writes:
>well my local Fox/independent station has been running Conan promos
>for about a week now, so there is a series...though it doenst look that
>good (maybe Im spoiled by TTA and Batman)

   What? Aha!!! When is this show starting?

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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: Batman (9/7) -- what's the deal? <SPOILERS!>
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 05:02:57 GMT
Keywords: pre-empted

In article <Bu8EBr.2tA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, daf31428@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David A. Fleming) writes:
[Episode got pre-empted for some silly baseball game.]
> 	So, for the benefit of those who live in the central Illinois area,
> could somebody give a run-down on today's episode?

That's my cue...
HEART OF ICE		9/7/92	Spectrum	Mister Freeze

A very nice episode.  Victor Fries ("Frees") seeks revenge against Ferris
Boyle, president of Gothcorp, for the death of his wife Nora and the accident
which left Frees unable to survive outside sub-zero temperatures.  Fries
("Mister Freeze to you") wears a special coolant suit straight out of a
1940's space opera, and has manufactured a freeze ray, a larger version of
which he intends to use against the Gothcorp headquarters.

But the welcome surprise of the episode was the script, by Paul Dini.  Freeze
claims to be without emotion, but his own actions betray this.  He's been
wronged, and takes revenge on Boyle out of his love for Nora and his guilt
for being unable to save her, not unlike the way Bruce Wayne takes revenge
against the criminal element for the murder of his parents under the guise
of the Batman.
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: Fist of the North Star
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 03:09:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.203312.21603@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, miweber@apollo.davidson.edu writes:
> 
> I am desperately seeking a plot synopsis or script to the full-length
> Japanese film "Fist of the North Star."

1)  An English-dubbed version of this film is coming out on video later this
    month.

2)  For other anime-related questions, go to rec.arts.anime.

3)  Unfortunately, FotNS is a film whose enjoyment level drops considerably
    if you understand what the characters are actually saying.  :-(
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Subject: Re: Some comments on BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<1992Sep7.171708.20248@sdcrsi.cray.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 19:51:40 GMT

>Scott Streeter <ss@wpi.wpi.edu> writes:

>tcw> Hopefully they'll use other villains aside from The Joker, tcw>
>The Penguin, and Catwoman who were in the two movies (how about tcw>
>the Riddler?).

>Well they just had the Man-Bat episode, and the previews for tomorrow
>showed Doctor Freeze.

kathyli> Mister Freeze.  :-)

Ya. Mind block when I typed it...

>Voice acting:	   Feh.  The secondaries were good, and Batman's voice wasn't
>		   all that bad, but the Bruce Wayne voice was
>		   godawful.  Very dopey-sounding.  BTW, District
>		   Attorney Harvey Dent was played in LEATHER WINGS by
>		   Richard Moll of NIGHT
>		   COURT fame.  Quite a departure, IMO.

kathyli> I'm reserving judgement on Kevin Conrad's acting ability
kathyli> until I've seen more of the show. I kind of like the dopey
kathyli> Wayne voice--especially when he answered the phone call in
kathyli> the Bat Cave.  Admittedly, it's not subtle, but then I'm a
kathyli> thickskulled kind'a girl sometimes.

Well I think they WANT Bruce to sound dopey. He does come off as a
no-mind playboy type quite well. Remeber He's not suppost to sound
like Batman when the suits off. You can't have, Gee Bruce sounds alot
like Batman on the phome. You don't think....

kathyli> And I *really* like the back-and-forth with Alfred.

Yes, this was great. "I'll give your regards to, Bambi was it, Sir?"


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From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan)
Subject: Re: Batman: Brock Peters
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:50:49 GMT

In article <4uZsqB3w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay) writes:
>I noticed in today's episode that Lucius Fox was voiced by Brock Peters. 
>The name is very familier but I can't place it. Anyone?
>(BTW, interesting supporting cast: Ed Asner, Ed Begly Jr., Scott 
>Valintine)

Peters played the Commander of Starfleet, Admiral Cartwright, in the
movies Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home and Star Trek VI: The
Undiscovered Country.
-- 
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                         Space Telescope Science Institute
                         Baltimore, MD   21218
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From: ted4646@zeus.tamu.edu (kid eternity)
Subject: Re: Friday's "Batman"
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:03:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.184101.21678@wam.umd.edu>, vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell)) writes...
>In article <rdippold.716353923@cancun> rdippold@cancun.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
>>ted4646@zeus.tamu.edu (kid eternity) writes:

I did not say any of the following.  Please pay attention when deleting
previous text.

>>I thought the animation involving the pudgy dude was good, and the
>>dialogue was excellent, but the plot had an incredible number of
>>big problems.

I thought the animation was terrible, compared with what we had seen 
so far.  The big thing I pointed out in my last post was how Bruce Wayne
appeared to grow several feet while walking away from Gordon.  I, for one,
did not like how the Joker was drawn.  Was he wearing a yellow shirt with 
-thomas				ted4646@zeus.tamu.edu

"CAPRICORN (Dec. 22 - Jan. 19) -- A romantic adventure is sure to spice
up your life.  You can use the excitement."
	-My horoscope for Monday, Aug. 3 (Houston Chronicle)

a tie painted on it?  His teeth looked way too yellow for my tastes.

>>
>>What the hell was Batman doing in Gordon's office?  Does he sneak in
>>just to say nothing important and then practice his stealth exits?
> 
>Isn't part of his job to watch over all that goes on in the city?
> 
>>
>>Pudgy just packed up and moved and changed his complete identity?
>>Without involving law enforcement?  Riiight... Bet that was a doozy of
>>an explaination he gave his family.
> 
>I don't know what you mean.  Law enforcement probably was involved.
>So what?  When did the show imply he did it without involving law
>enforcement?  As for the explanation ... seems like an old tradition
>of TV shows to have a father relocate his family and tell them "just don't
>ask any questions about it, I'm doing this for your safety" etc. etc.
> 
I assumed that Charles did contact the law and possibly testified against
the Joker.  Near the end of the episode, he says to Batman:  "He'll just
escape again and come after my family."  (Or words to that effect)  Even
though Joker did escape in the prologue, it is reasonable to think that 
Joker could have been incarcerated again.


>>
>>Pudgy barely stopped before smashing into the joker.  First, I don't
>>think the Joker has a death wish that involves a traffic collision
>>with a nobody - would he really put himself in a no-gain situation
>>where his survival depended on the vision and reflexes of someone like
>>Pudgy?  Second, why did Pudgy stop?  In that situation I would have
>>hit the accelerator.
> 
>First, I've been under the impression that the Joker is insane.
>Second, if Charlie had collided with that car, he would have been hurt,
>and his car would have taken a fair bit of damage.  Not until later
>was he to become so scared that he would have said "to hell with the 
>car";  at that point, he was greedy and hoping to save both himself and
>his car.
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From: drwho@wpi.WPI.EDU (Eric Ant Von Laudermann)
Subject: Re: Dungeons and Dragons: It may have been nice animation, but...
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:01:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.200951.18895@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:
>
>..a good representation of the GAME, it was NOT.

So what?  Just because a TV show (or movie) is nothing like its source
material, it doesn't mean the show is bad on its own terms.  (All
right, I hated Fish Police because it was nothing like the comic, but
it *was* a bad show anyway. :-)  People tend to like whichever version
they see first.  Those who see a movie based on a novel they've read
almost invariably say the movie sucked.  Those who see the movie first
say they loved it and wanted to read the book, and ended up liking both.

Besides, if it was *just* like the game, it would have been just another
30-minute commercial.

>The weapons.  All of the characters got magic weapons that fired limit-
>less shots/had limitless uses.  Even the wizard had a magic hat.  _A
>MAGIC HAT?!_  Talk about ridiculous.  That's like taking a first-level
>character and giving him a magic sword +5.  

Yeah, but he wasn't very good at it. :-)

>  The thing that annoyed me the most (and that always
>annoys me about this kind of show) is that there's never any doubt about
>how the episode will end.
>In fact, that's a failing that many cartoons have.

The thing that annoys *me* the most is this claim.  Almost *every*
show, whether it is a cartoon or a sitcom or whatever, leaves no doubt
about how the episode will end.  That's a failing that TV itself has.
If the main characters ever failed or left the show,
the show would be over.  ALF never got home, the family in Otherworld 
always escaped the authorities, the A-Team never got injured and
always got away, etc., etc., etc....  

>---Chris Meadows
>

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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Bathman and other anim
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In article <21655@optima.cs.arizona.edu> mcbride@cs.arizona.edu (Chris M.
McBride) writes:
>
>Tv guide proclaims the new animated batman to be the first animated
>batman  on TV (where was this guy for the past 53 years?)
> 
>Ok, I got the tailend of the show. The animation looked ok, and
>although it was showing on Saturday morning (in my opinion, a VERY bad
>move) The show is definitely not for kids.
>I was not impressed with the voices (they seemed wrong), the portrayl
>of Batman (he had a Square Dick Tracy Jaw) and well although I didn't
>see alot of it, the storyline wasn't great. But it looks to be a
>promising  show. 
> 
>They said the second part will be on next Saturday. So what episode
>will air Monday?
> 
>It looks like T&J kids will air Monday(or was it tuesday?) And it
>looks like they are going to ruin the show by having everyone talk!
> 
>I like the idea of Tiny Toons, and T&J kids, but why can't they let
>the classics rest? To me Tiny Toons almost ruined my image of Bugs
>Bunny and Roadrunner. Couldn't they have done just as good of a show
>with new characters? 
> 
>Chris



Now HEAR THIS!  Batman: The Animated Series is *NOT* the first animated
Batman on TV in 57 years.  Someone's goofed up BADLY.  I seem to remember
a 1970's Batman cartoon starring the voices of Adam West as Batman, and
Casey Kasem as Robin.  Can someone help me out with more information on
this?

P.S.  Even if that show never existed (which I know it did), Batman 
*STILL* appeared in animated form on TV, in the form of a guest (along
with Robin) on one of those two-part episodes of Scooby-Doo where a 
guest-star or guest-stars came along.
 
---Chris Meadows
From: sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: The X-Men Air Date
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:51:51 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

The X-MEN animated series will be a Saturday morning cartoon.  It starts 
October 10 and its timeslot is 11:30am.  Supposedly, the cartoon is "very 
much like the X-Men comic."  I *still* don't know what to make of that.


                                   - Sasha
                                     G.O.D. of FAUST



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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Bathman and other anim
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In <1992Sep7.203024.19465@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:




+>Now HEAR THIS!  Batman: The Animated Series is *NOT* the first animated
+>Batman on TV in 57 years.  Someone's goofed up BADLY.  I seem to remember
+>a 1970's Batman cartoon starring the voices of Adam West as Batman, and
+>Casey Kasem as Robin.  Can someone help me out with more information on
+>this?

	It was by Filmation in the "style" that company is now famous
(or imfamous) for.  The show had batman, robin, batgirl and batmite as
the pricipal characters.  I remember hating it and I remember the
clayface villian showing up a couple times, but not much more.  Think
He-man or She-ra and you will get an idea of the quality.
	Batman also appeared on the various super-friends shows.



+>P.S.  Even if that show never existed (which I know it did), Batman 
+>*STILL* appeared in animated form on TV, in the form of a guest (along
+>with Robin) on one of those two-part episodes of Scooby-Doo where a 
+>guest-star or guest-stars came along.

	These were known as the scooby-doo movies I think.
From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: X-men trailer..is there a show?
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:14:46 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <mumble> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:

>Will there be background sketches of who folk are or will they take the
>Batman approach that folk know the hero and just focus on their dealings
>with the villians?

From what I've heard about the first episode they will be adding
Jubilee (sp?) to the team in that episode so they'll probably have the
cliched "everyone introduces themselves" scene.

>If the latter, I must confess that I have been away from X-Men for a number
>of years - could someone dig up character/power analysis of the team that
>will be assembled for TV?

I've been away for quite a while too so I can't help much there....




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