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From: corsair@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Gregory Pius)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: some strange dreams...
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:26:26 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

Wow, I've been spending so much time reading about y'alls dreams that I
guess I should put down a few of my own...

I'm a certified pilot and have been for many years, so needless to say that
more than a few of my dreams are about fluing in one way or another. This
one was really strange, especially seen as how I'd just finished watching a
documentary on A&E about the WWII Flying Tigers...

   It's a beautifully clear, cloudless day as my P-40E Kittyhawk and I sweep
across the sky, very much at war with several Mitsubishi A6Ms (popularly
known as the Zero). I was totally outclassed, and barely had enough time to
escape from the firey craft before it exploded. I remeber the explosion, and
had the eerie sensation of falling through space, but before I found my
chute's ripcord, I blacked out.
   I come to (I always thought blacking out and coming to weren't possible in a
dream) to find myself tied to a tree facing several rather ugly-looking
members of the Japanese Army. One says something to me in Japanese, pulls
the automatic pistol aut of my leg holster and places it on my left temple. 
   I mean, this dream was really vivid. I could feel the cold metal barrel
against my head, and I heard him bring the hammer back. I always supposed he
pulled the trigger, because I woke upright in bed, I was nearly deafend from
an intense ringing in my ears, but even more strange, I had developed a
severe migrain headache in my left temple. The entire back of my head was
also pounding.
   This dream was the most vivid I've ever had. I could feel the rope biting
into my wrists. I won't say that the dream was lucid, but I remember my
aircraft responding to every touch of the stick and I remember every detail
of every switch and control in the cockpit. I remember feeling the seat
rumble underneath me as I fired my guns, as well as the dull thuds of the
30 cals hitting the armor.
   I've never seriously believed in OBEs, or the supernatural, but my
grandfather on my father's side was a Flying Tiger in Burma and was shot
down twice. He never returned from the second one, and nobody knew what
happened to him. Maybe...

  The dream I had this morning was also very interesting... I had fallen
asleep with CNN on the TV, and I dreamed that I was a CNN cameraperson
covering the presidential debate! Can external stimuli while you're asleep
affect your dreams to that extent?



Gregory Pius
CCI/CSI Corsair Consulting/Corsair Softwair, Inc.
"We've got a Chip on our Shoulder."

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: mikkovv@mits.mdata.fi (Mikko V. Valjento)
Subject: How to have Lucid Dreams?
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:49:16 GMT

Could someone teach me a good technique to have Lucid dreams?
I've been testing reality for few weeks now, but it hasn't affected to 
dreaming yet. I can also remember my dreams in the morning, if I want to.

Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 10:56:09 -0400 
From: Patrick C Leger <pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Lucidity and me.
	<BvqMFo.Eq4@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
	<8eoddbe00WB0M4HFZH@andrew.cmu.edu>

Yeah, this happens to me alot, the part about the shrinking and growing
images that seem to exceed the limits of size in my imagination.  It happens
to me quite a bit, actually, and not necessarily when I'm sick.  I suppose
it's some sort of hypnagogic imagery.  It usually happens when I'm falling 
asleep, but still totally conscious.
The part about not being able to move is probably related to the chemicals
that inhibit a person from sleepwalking, etc.  It takes a few seconds for
the chemicals to become ineffective (they're either cleaned up by other
chemicals, or the supply of them is shut off, I really don't remember which),
so while they're still active, you can't move.  I guess you could move your
eyes since they aren't immobilized in sleep anyway (consider REM...).

Just some thoughts...
Chris
Xref: sparky alt.dreams:3431 alt.out-of-body:254
From: gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us (Gary S. Trujillo)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.out-of-body
Subject: Personal to "TARZAN"
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:53:28 GMT

Since "TARZAN" does not include an address in the "From:" lines of articles,
I cannot reply personally.  I would like to suggest that:

	1. You fix things so that your return address is included in
	   "From:" lines and/or include signature lines,
   and
	2. You stop including entire articles in your followups just to
	   tack on a one line "me too" or "thanks" kind of response.
	   This is just basic netiquette.

Thanks.

Gary
--
    Gary S. Trujillo                            gst@gnosys.svle.ma.us
Somerville, Massachusetts              {wjh12,bu.edu,spdcc,ima,cdp}!gnosys!gst
From: dcox@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Cox)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: deja vu?
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:31:50 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

nelson@mprgate.mpr.ca (Gary Nelson) writes:
> They tend to be snippets of reality, 5 - 20 seconds long,
> that fit between completely unrelated dreams. To date,
> the shortest time between the dream and the incident
> has been two weeks, the longest about three months.

I have to note that I have previously had deja vu dreams up to a whole 
minute long.  Also, I've had a dream of deja vu the exact night before
the occurance.  
> 
> But what scared the HELL out of me were a pair of dream snippets that
> happened before/occurred during my trip to Australia and Fiji.
> 
> The detail is not important, boring stuff, BUT
> the bizarre circumstances that led me to each instance
> made me wonder a LOT about pre-destiny...
> 
> I would prefer to forget that they happened. To do otherwise
> would be to admit to something that I don't feel comfortable with...
> 
My minute long deja vu experiences have allowed me to attempt to alter
"destiny".  The first time I was supposed to adjust the volume on a new
music tape (I had just purchased the tape that day) but I decided not to.
My father then entered the room and told me to turn the volume down.  For
a time afterwards, I believed that no matter what you did to avoid it, the
future would catch up with you.  Later, I barely resisted the urge to tell
someone a secret I dreamed I was going to tell him. After this, I had a dream
at a new restaurant when I noticed someone was staring at me.  When I actually
went to this restaurant, I did everything the same as I did in the dream, but
that person wasn't there.  It was a very odd sensation because that was the
only variation from the dream in the least.  I now feel like I have denied 
time of its plans.  You can sleep easy now knowing that there is no such
thing as one exacting destiny!

In your dreams (bad pun)
-"BOOGEDY" Cox
dcox@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: BL.DKS@forsythe.stanford.edu (WhiteFeather)
Subject: To Lucid Dream or To Not ...
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: net
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:17:31 GMT



>I was told by well-meaning adults that one cannot control ones dreams.
>becoming nightmares, but not enough to be lucid.  Has anyone else had this
>control and lost it?


I have the ability to lucid dream, and do not force it in my
dreams now. It was one of the wisest things I could have learned.
Lucid dreaming has it's purpose for learning positive change on the
dream-side, and carrying that new courage/positive attitude into
THIS side of life. But if used to avoid "an issue", then it could
interupt the natural flow of what the unconscious is trying to make
you FEEL.

It can allow the dreamego (close to what we are here) to alter the
message that the wiser unconscious is trying to convey.
Unless one is wise enough, in Lucid Dreaming, to face the message
just as it is, feel it  -- then make whatever changes you choose.
Then, hopefully, it can be carried into the changes that can be made
here.

So, trust the dreams you get. They're much wiser than "ego here"
or "dreamego". Face the nightmares, the feelings. Learn dreamwork.
Writing down the feelings.  Visualizing yourself as the element/
character in the dream, and asking it questions. It's worth it.

Serious dreamwork, and trust in yourself -- resolves the issues
in time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condemning Lucid-dreaming. I just don't
feel it is in any way necessary to resolve issues -- and to learn.
Depends on what you want to learn in life.
All about choices.

       Just an honest opinion, based on experience.

<WhiteFeather>
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: rcrane@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Robert Crane - OTHER)
Subject: Re: Dream in a dream...
Organization: Washington State University!
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 06:27:52 GMT

I wouldn't call a dream where you wake up and your still in a dream
a recursive dream.  I would simply call it a false awakening.
It use to happen to me as a kid all the time too.  I would
think that I woke up but I would really still be dreaming.
This is also happens to lucid dreamers.  Often the knowledge
that you are dreaming and really in your bed at your house
will cause you to dream that you are in your bed.  Many times
people will think that they have awaken from their lucid dream,
but if they test their reality they will find that often they
are still dreaming!
-- 
-bob crane
rcrane@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
"Ah Limbo!"
From: J M S
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Lucidity and me.
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:45:51 GMT
Organization: Nothing, Inc.

In article <8eoddbe00WB0M4HFZH@andrew.cmu.edu> jl9d+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jack Liu) writes:
>	In times of high fever, I would sometimes fall into a semi-conscious
>state.  Actually, I'd be more conscious that unconscious.  Once this
>happens, I experience the horrible feeling of the world becoming
>nonexistent, like apocalypse.  The only images I would see in my mind
>are cubes of all different sizes.  Though it's completely black around
>me, I can still make out the giant shapes, shrinking and growing.  It
>gets the worst when the cube becomes so large that it exceeds the limits
>of my imagination, where I would then feel like all hope in everything
>is lost.  At this point, I can feel my physical body floating in this
>darkness.  All gravity is gone and I can't tell if I'm lying down or
>standing up.  It's only when I open my eyes again that I snap out of it.

When I was younger, I used to have a dream similar to this when I would
have a fever. Only, the things around me weren't cubes, they were more 
like tree-shaped objects made of steel (which would sometimes break and
somehow splinter). These objects used to grow bigger and smaller too,
and I soon figured out that at the times when they were the biggest, I
was feeling the worst. These dreams were the complete opposite of lucid.
Although I usually knew I was dreaming, I could not control anything,
and I could not leave the dream no matter how hard I tried to wake myself
up.

Cheers,

-Jeff-
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: rcrane@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Robert Crane - OTHER)
Subject: Re: Sex Dreams
Organization: Washington State University!
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 06:46:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.154012.23525@bnr.ca> Kathryn writes:
>Can anyone help me understand why I always wake up when I have
>a dream which involves having sex?  Every dream is the same.  I'm
>kissing and getting closer to the man and when we are about to 
>have sex, I wake up! (bummer).
>
>What is your interpretation.
>
>Kay
>
>

:0)
I always use to have this dream too!  I would always be close
to having sex and I would think to myself, "Oh man! This is awesome!
What's going on here!  Wait aminute.  I must be dreaming!"

Then the woman would fade before my arms.

I don't know if this has a personal meaning for you, but
it is possible for women to have sex in their dreams
and actually have orgasms.  LaBerge proved this with lucid
dreaming subjects.  To correct this problem you need to have
faith.  Faith that it will happen without any doubts at all.
-- 
-bob crane
rcrane@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
"Ah Limbo!"
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: asni@ecr.mu.oz.au (Astria_Nicole PRICE)
Subject: Re: external influences while you sleep
Summary: radio dreams
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 01:08:01 GMT

In article <gj156879.719203435@cunews>, gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:
> Once I fell asleep with the radio on.  In my dream, I was standing
> next to a police car, listening to their radio (which was playing
> exactly what the radio was playing in my room as I slept).  One of
> the police officers was holding a bunch of envelopes, and I examined
> them.  Not much more to it, I woke up.

Once when I fell asleep with the radio on I dreamt, among other stuff, 
that I was at a railway station where there was a radio built into the
side of the wall, playing music.

When I was discussing the dream the next day, a friend mentioned a 
station where they play the radio over loud speakers some mornings.

Later when I went by that station, there was no radio built into the 
side of the wall, but apart from that the building looked the same ...


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From: bdsm@fermat.WPI.EDU (Billy Don McConnell)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: How to dream.
Date: 9 Oct 1992 17:31:09 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: fermat.wpi.edu
Keywords: Dreaming is what you want?
Originator: bdsm@fermat.WPI.EDU


In article <gj156879.718605408@cunews>, gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879) writes:
|> I'd be interested in hearing about anyone else trying to summon god,
|> or anyone into a dream.  I remember in the book, Lucid Dreaming, the
|> suggestion to summon whom ever you'd like to talk to for whatever
|> reason: Albert Einstein to solve a calculation problem, your favorite
|> writer to help you write a story, etc.

I once tried to summon an associate of mine into a Lucid Dream, to "show her
around".  But when I tried, I got this K-mart-announcer-type voice in response,
saying "So-and-so is not available right now".  And you know, at the time, I
was just as happy to get that response!
  
|> It's a neat concept.  Use your inner resources so to speak.  And to
|> whoever said "Use a holodeck dream system", I gotta say, that's a
|> GREAT idea.  Although I don't remember the usual holodeck terms, it
|> seems like a neat way to control your mind.  Care to list the holodeck
|> controls for me?


I mentioned using holodeck commands (although I might not have been the first).
But now I'm sort of at a loss to reply to your request for a list of commands.
The only ones I've every tried are the ones I mentioned in my post...

	"Computer, give me a <something>" to summon up people or scenes,
		(You can vary this command quite a bit, of course.)

	"Computer, freeze program" to stop the action momentarily,
	
	"Computer, end program" to end a particular dream (but not to leave
		the Lucid Dream State) and perhaps begin another.

But I wonder what would happen with the either of these commands

	"Exit"  or "Arch", which on the show produce the portal from the
		holodeck to the rest of the _Enterprise_.  An interesting
		experiment, I should think.  Let me know what happens if
		any of you try it.

I think it's "important" to preface the holodeck commands with "Computer" (or
something like that), because it helps to separate what you might just say in
a dream from something you might want to change in a dream.  And it helps build
the air of fantasy...it makes you feel like you are _in_ a holodeck.

Good luck,

Billy Don Sterling Mc Connell
    (just call me "Don")
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:21:12 EDT
From: <AMS176@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: mine

okay guys....my friend is walking down the side of a highway, but he must
move alot to keep from getting hit by big trucks? What does this mean?
                   Antony Mikael Schiffbauer
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Dreamlight
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 17:04:39 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <3041@evil.demon.co.uk> fis@evil.demon.co.uk (fis) writes:
>
>
>I have bought a dreamlight and it does exactly what it says.
>
>From day 1 I had a lucid dream with it - although I have had quite a few
>lucid dreams in the past.

How long have you owned the DreamLight? If it's something you recently
bought, it would be worthwhile to post again after a few more weeks or
months of usage, i.e. after the novelty wears off, to ensure we are
getting the perspective of a very experienced user.

I've been thinking about buying a DreamLight, too. I read Lucid
Dreaming by LaBerge, and I'm interested.

You must be very serious about lucid dreaming if you spent nearly
$1000, which is about what DreamLights cost. Do you ever dream about
what you could have otherwise done with all that money?

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: shurt@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Torcher)
Subject: I need help interpreting dreams!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 00:41:42 GMT

Hi all, 

I'm sorry about my last article, but I screwed up.  I really need some help
with dream interpretation.  Any information would be appreciated.  I am 
especially concerned about three types of dreams that I have.

1.  I am on top of an extremely high, unstable structure.  I am either hanging
    on for my life, or I fall off of it.  Usually when I fall, I don't wake up
    until I hit the ground.  I am really interested in what this dream means 
    because I am not scared of heights.

2.  I kill someone.  I have had a few dreams in which I kill a person.  I don't
    know the person, but I am not upset when I kill them.  In fact, I enjoy
    doing it!  I know that I have killed a person with a knife once and with a
    gun another time.

3.  I am shot.  I have been shot in two different dreams.  In one, I am in the
    army and I am killed climbing over a fence.  After I die, the dream
    continues, and I realize that my commanding officer is a traitor and my
    friends are doomed.  In another dream, I was shot several times, but I
    survived somehow and was taken hostage.  

I know that these dreams are weird, but I would appreciate any ideas concerning
their meaning.  Please e-mail me if you have any theories.  Thanks!

- Scott H.
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Astral projection or Lucid dreaming?
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:13:56 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park


In article <Bw7BGq.1vI@news.cso.uiuc.edu> mmaggio@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Leisure Suit Larry Laffer) writes:
>Ever since I can remember, I was having out of body experiences.  I saw my own
>self sleeping in my bed.
>I had just passed it off as dreaming...until I read a book on Astral Projection
>        [narrative deleted]
>Am I wrong in deeming this information true?  Is it just hope? or is it just
>coincidence?  Is this even projection? or just a weird phenomenon(spelling?)
>I would like some explainations please. 
>
>Thank you.
>
>Michael J. Maggio @UIUC
>
>mmaggio@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu
>

Well, I have some mildly bad news for you.  It has not yet been determined
conclusively whether experiences like those you've described are "just dreams"
or just what they are.  (By the way, I would suggest crossposting this or
at least sending followups to alt.out-of-body.)  There is a lot of controversy:
some people will insist that what you are experiencing are really intense
dreams (but nothing "more"), others would say some of it is a dream and
some is "real," some will say that all of it has some "real"-ness to it...
I personally think that what you have experienced is astral projection
(more commonly called out-of-body experiences, oobes or obes) and that it
is more than just a dream.  From personal experiences and MANY books that
I have read, I think that there are other "planes" (call it whatever you
want) where non-physical aspects of yourself can be oriented.  Some
closely resemble the physical plane, some contain "probable futures,"
at least one is for all intents and purposes identical to the physical
(thus, you can "see" things there that would match what you would see if 
you were physically in that place, even if you have never physically
seen whatever is there)...  Actually, to be more precise, I would not
say that your nonphysical self "orients itself in another plane" but
that it is not confined by space/time, and that there is a continuum of
ways of perceiving the Universe (OBEs provide access to a range of
perception that isn't generally available in the physical)... 

May I ask what book you read?  I may be able to suggest some others that
present the phenomenon of astral projection from another perspective(s).
Also, I have some essays that I wrote on OBEs over the summer as part of
an English project -- I have been posting copies to alt.out-of-body
periodically, and I can email them to you if you are interested...
Another personal opinion of mine is this:  if you have any questions,
don't take any single person's word for it, but read up on as many
different opinions as you can, experiment on your own as desired, and
then draw your own conclusions...

Good luck and happy projecting/dreaming/etc.  And please email me
for more information (books, essays, discussion, etc...)

:)
Angela

angelai@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Sophomore, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 16:58:37 -0400 
From: Sreyas Srinivasan <ssaf+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Lucid Dreams, flying

   I have had two flying dreams in the past three days, both of which
were lucid. After "I came to" in the first dream, I floated up off the
ground and started flying around. But, everywhere I flew there was a big
wall which blocked my way. I ended up crashing against several of them,
each time bouncing off in a new direction. But of course, each time,
there was a new wall in my way. The surroundings were all grey and
factory-like.
       In my second dream, I was in Europe, in the market place of a
large city . It seemed to be sometime in the past (1700s or so). I
started floating around again and flew off to explore the city. I
returned to the Marketplace and noticed I was quite high up. This scared
me to death and I begin to descend really, really fast. I couldn't hit
the breaks...Luckily I woke up before I experienced something really
nasty like cardiac arrest.
    What do these dreams mean? (I have a couple ideas, but they were so
vivid that I want some second opinions).

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: gj156879@prince.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: The killer dream dude.
Summary: Ever tried talking to the guy?
Keywords: Dreaming of a dead man.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:25:17 GMT

Maybe if you asked him why he is trying to kill you.  Perhaps this
something vital, essential, that you just CAN'T kill.  I've often
wondered WHO dream characters are.  I mean, they're in YOUR
subconscious, so you'd assume that this guy is somehow a part of
yourself.  Maybe you should take a more defensive posture.  Have you
tried talking to him?
 
The most obvious questions to ask this guy:
 
"Why are you attacking me?"
"Why don't you leave me alone?"
Etc.


Just some thoughts...
          Nik...