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From: chil@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Lim)
Subject: Re: O'Brien's Rank [THE FINAL ANSWER]
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:20:52 GMT

hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:

>And the best evidence was presented just last week, when he
>was given a direct order by Barcley (a Lt. JG, i think.), and he wore
>only a single pip-- they're obviously making him enlisted now, unless
>you'd like to argue that he was demoted for some unknown reason.

In case you've forgotten "The Arsenal of Freedom", there are situations
where a lower-ranked crewmember can give orders to a higher-ranked
crewmember. Rank is all fine and good, but sometimes, job/position/
appointment may supersede rank.

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Hon Cog Sci; Min Psyc; Forum; Senate; CDSU; URC; ASC; FARSIDE; LEAD; CCCS
I officially represent each and every one of the above bodies--NOT!

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Kirk : "Well, er...er...we'll talk about that later!"
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From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: _Best Destiny_ novel: Diane Carey can't write!
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 22:56:44 GMT

In article <910252m.16.718998877@ace.acadiau.ca> 910252m@ace.acadiau.ca (DWAYNE ALLAN MACKINNON) writes:
>Guys and Gals,
>    Is it just me or does Diane Duane do the best version of McCoy ever 
>found in a novel? The debate in Spock's World definitely comes to 
>mind.........

I definitely agree.  A lot of the authors mistake (IMHO) McCoy's 
curmudgeonly qualities with lack of knowledge or skill.  Duane gets
it down perfectly I think.

BTW, is she ever going to write another Trek novel again?  I hadn't
been reading r.a.s.c. for a while and I don't know what happened with
Richard Arnold's departure.  Did he come back?  When he had left (read: was
fired), I heard rumors of her coming back to do another novel.  As far
as I know there hasn't been a Duane novel since Doctor's Orders (though
Peter Morwood has written one and their writing styles are very similar
not to mention their use of the same characters).  Anyone (Tim?) know
whats up?

Yasmin

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From: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: timetravel backwards? - perhaps
Date: 8 Oct 92 18:45:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: uacsc2.1687ACF83.JC924
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222

In article <1992Oct8.073826.16203@tessi.com>
rick@tessi.uucp (Rick Lindsley) writes:
 
>Ok, time to propose my time travel theory :)
>
>Each moment in time is both followed and preceded by an infinite number
>of possibilities.  There is a moment (a time stream, if you will) where
>you got up and got a drink of water before finishing this paragraph.
>There is another where you didn't - you simply took a breath. There is
>another where one more molecule of fat deposited on your artery and you
>had a heart attack.  And another where the phone rang. And so on.
>
Now here's another theory -- each person's life is like a string and if you
ball up that string you can "leap" from point to point...
From: markw@chusuk (Mark Worrell)
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Subject: Re: Guinan and her secrets
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:12:36 GMT
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: >Guinan made a horrifically big deal about not telling
: >Riker what to do (with regards to photoning the Devidians (sp?)), 
: >because she doesn't want to alter the future.  Yet, she
: >has no qualms about summoning Picard and telling him he has to
: >be on the away mission, or they won't meet.  
: Guinan only told Picard that he had to go with the away team so that the past
: would not change, otherwise history would have been altered.
: 
I dont think I have seen anybody talk about this yet. She is a member of
some long lived species, right? What was Guinan doing on Earth in the first
place?

Enquiring minds want to know...
Mark
From: bodiner@ehsc.orst.edu (Roxanne Bodine)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: MOTP -- Another Error -- SPOILER
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:09:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: ehsc.bodiner.1
Organization: Environmental Health Sciences Center, Oregon State University



Possible spoiler****





























When our beloved Counselor Cleavage was being revived by Dr. Crusher,
there was a moment where her eyes flashed open -- just for a second.
Sirtis was not wearing the usual black contacts -- the eyes we saw
were hazel (Sirtis' natural color).  Later, when she was fully
revived, they were black again.  Anyone else notice?

And another thing......what was the problem with that first woman?
Was the guy's *psychic waste* (perfect episode title if you ask me)
so overwhelming that she could not inform anyone that she wasn't
actually his mother?

And another thing......what was the deal with the rocks and the
death ritual?  Don't the writers feel anything should be reasonably
explained anymore?

And another thing......


Roxanne Bodine
Environmental Health Sciences Center
Oregon State University
bodiner@ucs.orst.edu
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From: kling@esd.dl.nec.com (Curtis Kling)
Subject: Relics -- Shedding Light on the Subject *** SPOILERS ***
Organization: NEC America, Engineering & Support
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:19:32 GMT

About "Relics":
*** MINOR SPOILERS BELOW ***
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Feel better now?

I enjoyed how "Relics" reminisced about TOS, and how apropos the title was.
(Gee, is TOS a relic already!?) During the conversion between Picard and
Scotty on the original bridge, I think Picard should have mentioned to
Scotty that Picard was alive and well seeking peace with the Romulans.
Imagine how wide Scotty's eyes would have gotten then! He'd probably
hightail his shuttlecraft to Romulus in search of the only person he knows
who's still alive. (Movie title: "The Search for Spock ... Again"?)

There's one technicality that bothers me about that Dysan sphere. Since the
sphere complete surrounds the sun, all the light shines on the inner surface.
So where is the source of the light that enables the Enterprise to see so
much detail on the outer surface? For that matter, how come we see so much
details on objects that the Enterprise encounters in deep space or subspace?
Unless they're reasonably near a star, there shouldn't be enough light to read
a newspaper in space! Does the Enterprise have powerful spotlights, use
infrared, or what?

Let's shed some light on this subject!

Curtis Kling

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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Scotty *sniff*
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:59:57 EST

After watching "Relics" last night, if anyone here can admit they weren't
a little touched and steamy-eyed and wants to get into the usual
anal-retentive over-analysis, well, we can guess why you don't have
a life.
 
As the oldest cast member from TOS, it was good to see him back and
sad to see him so out of place.  That must have been awfully tough
for him to do it, regardless of the money.
 
And if anyone didn't see Data's comment coming (won't spoil it),
then we know you've not watched TOS.
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From: jeff@adx.adelphi.edu (Jeffery Storch)
Subject: Re: Relics (no spoilers)
Organization: Adelphi University
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:50:30 GMT

 I agree... please explain!!!!

	Jeff


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From: enc369l@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr BDJ. Johnson)
Subject: "Unification"
Organization: Monash University, Australia.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:48:01 GMT

Anybody have info on this episode ? The one where TNG meets Spock.
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From: "steve willer" <steve.willer@canrem.com>
Subject: riker's lust for the
Reply-To: "steve willer" <steve.willer@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 16 Oct 92 08:47:58 EST


CRD>Regarding Riker's lack of finesse and inability to think out difficult situa
   >tions without telling Worf to "load torpedo bays! ready phasers!", a friend
   >mine commented that Riker is very much like Kirk: a two-dimensional, shoot-t

In a Federation/Navy sense: Not everybody is a diplomat, nor would everyone
 be required to be a diplomat. On top of this, the First Officer has duties
 to the ship that are not the same as the Captain's. I would think the Captain
 would have to be level-headed, while the FO is able to be a bit less
 conservative in his approach.

In a dramatic sense: It would be REALLY boring to have both the Captain and
 FO like Picard.
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From: ron@sigyn.cs.athabascau.ca (Ron Haukenfrers)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Time-loop flaw in Time's Arrow II
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:41:34 GMT


Actually this whole thread of jumping 
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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: Novelization for "Relics"
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 13:40:33 EST

In article <1992Oct12.142948.7171@zip.eecs.umich.edu>
huggins@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Jim Huggins) writes:
 
>In article <1992Oct11.033211.25298@eng.umd.edu> wombat@eng.umd.edu (Jose Gonzalez) writes:
>|And finally, for anyone who's interested, the novilization of "Relics" is
>|out.
>
>Can you give more information (author, publisher, price, etc.)?
>
>Inquiring minds want to know.
 
Since I was the first to post re: Relics novelization (and can
actually spell novelization!) :)
 
It was released about the same day as TOS:62 "Death Count" and
the hardcover "Best Destiny".  It's an adaptation by
Michael Jan Friedman.  If it's not in your bookstore(s) by now,
take your business elsewhere.  There's nothing to spoil a fun
time like a bookstore behind the times!
From: marcogan@student.anu.edu.au (Mark Cogan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Question about Crusher's Uniform...
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current
Date: 8 Oct 1992 23:35:24 GMT
Organization: ANU
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: chifmac44.anu.edu.au

This might be a FAQ, but...

Why does Wil Wheaton (Ensign Crusher) always wear those high collars on his
uniforms? When he wasn't with Starfleet he always had on psuedo-turtleneck
sweaters, and now that he's wearing a uniform, he still has the collar on
them all. Anyone out there know the reason?

Thanks...

Mark.
From: cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Let the threads begin!
Date: 16 Oct 92 13:59:21 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct15.165150.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct15.213352.22003@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, kevin@csd-d-1.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Ernst Duckworth) writes:
>>         -slight spoiler for Relics:
>> can anyone tell me where this Dyson sphere idea comes from
>> and to whom belongs the name "Dyson"?

>I believe that Dyson refers to the 20th century physicist named Dyson
>who is still hale and hearty, and was here at CU a few weeks ago to
>talk about the possibility of extraterrestrial life, among other things.
>I can't recall his first name, anyone out there who can, HELP!

It's Freeman Dyson, the originator of the idea for the Dyson sphere,
and a few other interesting but far-out ideas, like the nuclear pulse
"engine", etc.

Tim
-- 
"I have since learned that words are only as valid as the mind that chooses
them.  To choose too carefully is to become pedantic, closing the imagination to
wider visions, yet to err the other way is to invite anarchy into one's mind."
   -- Christopher Priest, _The Affirmation_
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:56:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.rawdon.719215000
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Oct14.165339.26177@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
>	TNG takes risks.

It does?  Where?  When?  Maybe it took a big risk in the one episode I
haven't seen - "Menage A Troi".  That must be the piece missing from the
puzzle, because few of the other episodes showed much more than routine,
safe storytelling.

>			  I've said it before...I'd rather
>see TNG takes risks and fail than to fall back on formula.

I think TNG comes close to *defining* formula television.

>							    And it still
>is among the best shows on TV.

This is truly faint praise.

>				Only a truly great show can fail miserably
>with "Cost of Living" one week and come right back with "Cause and Effect"
>the next.

Actually, didn't "The Perfect Mate" (another rather poor episode) follow
"Cost Of Living"?  ("Cause And Effect", an entertaining but ultimately
frustrating episode, fell between "The Outcast" and "The First Duty" - both
solid third-string episodes, didn't it?)

Or am I mixed up on the airing order?

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

The Trekkie who doesn't own a VCR.
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From: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu
Subject: Re: No more "Opinionated Comments"
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 09:40:16 EDT

In article <1992Oct14.165339.26177@athena.mit.edu> johnnyp@athena.mit.edu (John Piscitello) writes:
>>:)    Well, you certainly won't be missed. Let's have the REAL FANS of TNG
>>:)take this newsgroup BACK! Enough of these pretentious reviewers whose only
>>:)purpose in life is to tear down the work of others. TNG is among the
>>:)top shows on television. Even when it's at its worst, it outranks
>>:)all of the brain-dead garbage being shown on the networks.
>>[stuff deleted]
>>You never saw the episode with Troi's mom and Alexander, did you?  :)
>
>       Yes, I have seen Cost of Living. Yes, it was awful.
>[stuff deleted]
>       TNG takes risks. I've said it before...I'd rather
>see TNG takes risks and fail than to fall back on formula. And it still
>is among the best shows on TV. Only a truly great show can fail miserably
>with "Cost of Living" one week and come right back with "Cause and Effect"
>the next.
>
 
Opinion wholeheartedly seconded!!
Anyonce care to third it
 
I third it!  Let's remember, this is entertainment, not real life.
 
Now, I want to know what was so bad about "Cost of Living"?  I consider
my self a sophisticated and discriminating TV viewer and I have some
background in theater (amatuer).  I really enjoyed that episode.
I thought it made some good, although not very deep points about life,
especially life as it is portrayed on the Enterprise.  Everyone takes things
too seriously.  It also had a lot to say about Worf's problems as a Klingon
in a human society.  Finally, it had a lot to say about how adults relate to
children.  I had no problem with the actor who played Alexander.  He seemed
to show genuine conflict and a need for affection.  As usual, I loved
Majel Barrett's acting.  Could someone tell me what everyone hates about
this episode?
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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Ross Perot
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:34:48 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.131433.1@cstp.umkc.edu>, rdale@cstp.umkc.edu writes:
>> Has anybody noted the facial similarities between Ross
>> Perot and a Ferengui?
> 
> 
> 	Although I keep meaning to mention this, unlike many previous
> space aliens, TNG keeps some basis in fact for their names.  I can't
> recall the specifics, but "ferhengi" (sp)?) is/was a group of
> Earth-type folks.  Dang, my mind has gone blank on this one. . .

I believe ferenghi means "foreigner" in one of the slavic languages.
I don't remember which one, but I don't think it's Russian.  I don't
think it has ever been used as the name of a people, however.

Kellie M-S
internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (the trek witch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Da books (was: all this nonsense about the Dianes)
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:59:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: ics.2ADC9843.12414
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine

In <910252m.21.719093251@ace.acadiau.ca> 910252m@ace.acadiau.ca (DWAYNE ALLAN MACKINNON) writes:

>    But you know what, I'm curious about something..... am I the only one or
>are there others out there with a love for How Much for Just The Planet ?
>This book has to be the funniest Trek book ever created. Just wondering if
>it has some more fans out there....

That's a real doozy of a book.  People either hate it or love it, I
havne't seen much middle ground.  I think some of it depends on how
much you know about and feel about Gilbert & Sullivan musicals.  My
mom hates Star Trek, loved this book.  I love ST, *hate* that book.
(I'm sure there are other combinations, I'm just trying to point out
that a major context for appreciating this book seems to be outside of
the usual ST universe.)

--Cindy
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From: kmludvic@eos.ncsu.edu (@color(DarkViolet)@b(@large(@i(The Admiral))))
Subject: Re: About Scotty's Return...
Originator: kmludvic@c00383-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: kmludvic@eos.ncsu.edu (@color(DarkViolet)@b(@large(@i(The Admiral))))
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:29:42 GMT


In article <MERLYN.92Oct14094543@romulus.reed.edu>, merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes:
|>Path: taco!gatech!emory!ogicse!reed!romulus!merlyn
|>From: merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
|>Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
|>Subject: Re: About Scotty's Return...
|>Message-ID: <MERLYN.92Oct14094543@romulus.reed.edu>
|>Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 12:45:51 GMT+5:00
|>References: <1992Oct14.061153.17220@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
|>Sender: news@reed.edu (USENET News System)
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|>In-Reply-To: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of 14 Oct 92 06:11:53 GMT
|>
|>In article <1992Oct14.061153.17220@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:
|>   Scotty: But what happened to McCoy, Spock, and all the others?
|>
|>   Picard or some other character: Spock is on Romulus, working for peace.
|>   McCoy is still alive, though he's about 150; he came aboard this 
|>   starship in the pilot episode.  Kirk/Chekov/Uhura etc. died in...etc.
|>
|>Nope.  Not *necessarily* McCoy in EaF.
|>
|>All we know is that there were a lot of things that were McCoy-like
|>(country-doctor style, fear of transporters, age, knew someone like
|>Data once, etc.)
|

I beleive in the novelization it WAS DrMcCoy!!! Although I guess its not cannon
but still we all know who it was!!


|>
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From: Bruce@Pixar.com (Bruce Perens)
Subject: TOS Characters get "open" endings on TNG
Organization: Pixar -- Point Richmond, California
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 21:44:49 GMT

Notice how the TOS characters get "open" endings on TNG. Spock is  
underground with the rebels on Romulus. Scotty is a free agent with
his own shuttlecraft in some still-wild sector of space. Paramount
is not writing off these characters. They are available for another
episode, a feature or a TV movie, or (most likely) an appearance on
DS9.
						Bruce
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From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: RE: Stupid question about Peter David
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:35:48 GMT

	Somone actually *did* make X-rated movies called "Sex Trek" and "Sex 
Trek:  The Next Penetration".  I recall reading a review for the latter rather 
recently (around 1990).  Sorry, both of them use parodies of the TOS cast.
	[My question is, if somone sends a copy to Tim Lynch, will he give a 
spolier review?]
	Oh, I saw something along the lines of a TNG parody on alt.sex.stories 
a month ago, repost requests have been posted.
From: bill@snoopy (Bill Poitras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Man of the People acting *SPOILERS*
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:19:29 GMT
Reply-To: bill@msi.com
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Tim R Witort (trw@spl1.spl.loral.com) wrote:
: BAD:  The final scene in Troi's quarters where she talks to Riker
:       was pretty awful. The dialog was totally unnatural. They
:       seemed to be talking just to wrap up the loose ends and
:       explain what happened. It actually made me cringe.

A lot of people find this dialog very unatural ("who acutally talks
like that!") , especially Troi's.  I disagree.  I found Riker's dialog
was very natural, because of the strange behavior in Troi.  Even though
Troi's dialog was very strange, it was natural for a vain, superficial,
immature... okay, slut :-)  Yes she was very patronizing, but was very
believable considering her mental state.

If you have ever watched other shows/movies where the street-wise women
talk to the shy nerds and geeks, they use the same patronizing tone.

How about "Mirror Mirror" when Uhura was teasing Sulu?  How about Tasha's
dialog to Data in "The Naked Now". (No not the "It never happened", what
happened in her cabin :-)

So, was the dialog unnatural?  Yes.  For Troi's condition?  I didn't
think so, but then again, its my opinion.

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