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From: coxm@Software.Mitel.COM (Michael Cox)
Newsgroups: ont.forsale,ott.general
Subject: Room to rent
Date: 16 Dec 92 19:08:21 GMT
Distribution: ont
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


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Newsgroups: ont.forsale
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - NO WAY
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 17:06:56 GMT

|> I think the emotion conjured up by 'we're pregnant' is unfairness.  While
|> going through a very difficult and complicated pregnancy, I often wished it
|> was my husband and not me who was pregnant 

Isn't that funny?  I think pregnancy and baby-having is so cool and such a 
thrill, I've actually felt SORRY for men that it was something they couldn't 
do, and I've felt SMUG that my body was so much more "interesting" and 
"complex", etc, etc.  It is only AFTER I have the baby that the fairness/
unfairness issue surfaces for me.

Anyone else feel that way?

Jan
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gauthier@helles.unt.dec.com (Eric Gauthier)
Subject: Helping baby recover from jet-lag
Reply-To: gauthier@helles.unt.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:55:42 GMT



My wife and I just made our first international trip with our 6mo son.  The
trip to the EST from CET (-6 hrs) went well.  Daniel seemed to recover quite
quickly. 

The trip back home didn't go quite as well however, and we are still trying
to get him back on schedule.

Does anyone have any advice for new, inexperienced parents?

Thanks.

-Eric

______________________________________________________________________________
Eric Gauthier                                 gauthier@eicmfg.enet.dec.com
Digital Equipment Corporation GmbH, Munich    ...!decwrl!eicmfg.enet!gauthier
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: 22, Newly Pregnant--HELP!!
Date: 20 Dec 1992 22:51:31 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon) writes:

>I need help, and where the #$@!? should I begin?

>I found out yesterday that I am pregnant.  Well, we are very
>young, and really have no idea quite what we want to do with our lives.
>I was, and still am, planning on attending graduate school next year (if
>I have to go part time now, that's the way it is going to have to be).
>And frankly, we are pretty terrified.  I don't think anyone really knows
>that they are ready to have kids, but we feel like kids ourselves.  In so 
>many ways we are so terribly immature and irresponsible.  Eric (husband)
>is not thrilled about the idea, and has never liked the idea of being
>a father, but that was something I thought he would grow out of
>eventually.

Karen,

Are you and your husband *sure* that you want this child?
Give that some long hard thought -- both of you.
It's a huge undertaking, one that is likely to be with you
for the rest of your lives.  I am sure that you are aware that
you have two safe and legal options, adoption and abortion.

I am *not* saying that you should take either of these options!

What I *am* saying is that you (both of you) should make an active
decision whether or not to bear the child which is growing within
you, and whether or not to raise that child yourselves.  That way
if you *do* decide to bear it and raise it yourselves you will 
know that you are doing so by your own choice, and will never be
tempted to blame that child for showing up at an inconvenient 
time.

Both I and my husband were born before our parents completed their
education.  It most certainly is possible, although no-one would 
claim it is easy.

I wish you the best in making a reasoned and considered decision.

-- 

                                                --  Michal
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course there's no reason!  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mwalker@taimyr.Colorado.EDU (Marilyn Walker)
Subject: Fussing, sleeping, and stimulation - summary
Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:04:48 GMT

First - THANKS to all of you who answered my query about "normal" baby
patterns in the first 1-2 months.   Based on the responses that I got, I would
way that the books that I have read, anyway, do not paint a very realistic
portrait of the first month or so.

Everyone had success with different things, including:

front carriers
swing
bouncer seat operated my mom's foot
carrying, cuddling
swaddling

Some baby's are more like Daniel - usually nothing works for more than a few
minutes, whereas others may be content with one thing for 20 minutes or so.

The bottom line seems to be to enjoy this special time.  The mistake that I
have made is to have too many other responsibilities still hanging around at
this time time in Daniel's life.  I am trying to let as many of them go as I
possibly can, and just enjoy him, as so many of you have suggested.  SEveral
of you who posted sseem to be in the same situation.  Trying to squeeze in 
some work, when it is enough of a challenge to squeeze in basic self care.

The amazing thing is that he is already changing and becoming more independent.
The very day that I posted he took three naps, waking and feeding and playing'
like clockwork, and although all days have not gone like that, most have!
I also figured out how to get him not to twake back up when I put him in his
crib - I put a heating pad in first and get it VERY warm.  That way he doesn't
got from a warm body to a cold crib.  He may fuss for a minute or two, but
then goes to sleep and stays there for hours.  

Babies ARE special, and they do only last for a short time.  I am enjoying
mine, figuring him out a little more every day.  HOpe you are all doing the
same.

Marilyn Walker
mwalker@taimyr.colorado.edu
From: peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Summary & Thank You: baby nursing schedule
Date: 17 Dec 1992 23:28:30 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

copleyd@physc1.byu.edu writes:
[summary of varoius babies' feeding schedules deleted]

Wow!  I had no idea babies ate so much.  Where does it all go?

Yeah, I know, dumb question!	:-)
-- 

                                                --  Michal
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course there's no reason!
From: AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach")
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: re: late catalogue orders
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:21:38 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs

Susan Gauch mentioned that when items from a catalogue were very late, she
received a card asking if she wanted to cancel the order.  That's because
that's the law, at least around here.  Companies are required to inform you in
writing and give you that choice if their receiving date is more than 30 days
away.  I think  they can not take the order at all if they do not have a
receiving date, or if that date is some other far off amount away (don't quote
me on that part, though).

We have had problem with both ATS and Biobottoms, however, with unfulfilled
promises of backordered item delivery dates, and have NOT always received the
mandated notice.  The only catalogue I've found to be good about that is Land's
End (my favorite :-)), on the two times they couldn't get orders they
promised.  Also, Hanna's has never been later than they say, although they
have (rarely) been completely sold out of things.

BTW, if some catalogue really screws up and a backorder is later than
promised, you can ALWAYS get them to ship fedex FREE!!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant" - NO WAY
Organization: NASA/JSC
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:21:58 GMT

In article <869.9212161848@bonzo.xylogics.com> rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo)
writes:
>
>A recent post contained the statememt: "My
>wife and I are pregnant..." There's no point
>in naming the poster, as this is something I
>read/hear quite often.
>
>Now, I *know* it is meant to convey the fact
>that the man  is involved, concerned, supportive,
>etc.
>
>It always annoyed me on principle, because it's
>inaccurate. But now that I've carried a pregnancy
>to term, it makes me crazy.
>
>So here's a message to all non-pregnant partners of
>pregnant women: YOU ARE NOT PREGNANT. Your *partner*
>is pregnant. She is experiencing all kinds of emotions,
>sensations, aches and pains, flutters and kicks that you
>are not experiencing.
>
>I know that if Michael had used this terminology, not
>only would I not have considered it supportive - I would
>have considered it as trivializing the pregnancy and
>my experiences.
>
>So, isn't there another way to express your feeling of
>being part of the team?
>
>thanks, Dena

Dena, chill out. 


*****************************************************************
John R. Cobarruvias, Texas A&M Class of '78, 
NASA Johnson Space Center Houston Tx.
(713)483-9357

"And to think..................I hesitated" (Hellraiser II)
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lisam@Data-IO.COM (Lisa Matheson)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:34:54 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.193916.8699@advtech.uswest.com> ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin) writes:
>In article <1gncidINNpo6@crcnis1.unl.edu> mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul) writes:
>>kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:
>>
>>>have to ask isn't there anyone else out there willing to defend it?  Doesn't
>>>anyone else have anything *good* to say about it?  Surely I'm not the only
>>>one who feels this way?
>>
>>I've followed all these articles, read the FAQ, with great interest as we
>>have another child on the way.  To me, the accounts that strike home with
>>the greatest persuasion are a couple of respondents who _did_ have urolo-
>                             ^^^^^^^^
>>gical complications later in life that required them to be circumcised _then_, 
>>with far more pain and difficulty.  Their position was, "I sure wish I'd had 
>>it done as a baby".
>
>	And what are the odds of that happening? what is the percentage? You're
>probably as likely to be struck by a meteorite!
>
>KAC
>
>
Also, how can they say "with far more pain and difficulty," when it's
hard to say how much pain the newborn baby is suffering?  I'd rather
my son had to go through that pain knowing what was happening and knowing
why it was necessary, rather than inflicting it on him on the off chance
he may have problems later.

If anyone teases him in the locker room and he wants to have it done,
I'll pay for it.  It would be a little hard to go the other direction...

This is all IMHO.

Lisa Matheson       "There are no ordinary days."  ??I forget who said this.


Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 12:05:49 -0500 
From: Laura McGinnis <lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Kid not eating good food - only JUNK!!
	<1992Dec15.194016.13293@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com>

Elise makes some very good points in her posting.  Kids who know junk
food is available can be very tenacious about getting what they want
instead of what they need.  For this reason, we keep minimal junk food
at home & try to limit our indulgences to when we go out or are at work.
 Going out makes the link bnetween special times & special treats & junk
at work isn't nearly as habitual as junk at home, since we have to work,
too.  Junk at home is too dangerous - it's too easy to nibble the whole
time you're watching TV or reading, etc.  This has worked well for us &
I'm actually losing weight (:-))!

I have to add a cute comment to Elise's final point:

>But most of all, you cannot make eating a battle field.  AS a parent
>you can provide an interesting variety of good foods.  But its
>the child's responsibility to eat.

Mickey reminded us of this the other night when we were having the
traditional "PLEEEAAASSSEEEE eat your supper" battle.  He had talked us
down from half his plate to 2 bites to 2 macaronis & he was still
winning.  I was conceding defeat & had gotten up to take his plate away
& take him up to bed when he popped his loaded fork in his mouth & took
a big bite.  I was so excited, I cheered (mostly from frustration
release) & he thought that was a riot.  He ended up eating half his
plate, with us cheering after every bite.  When he stopped, I knew it
was because he had eaten enough (3 year olds DON'T have great appetites).

Now, when he's bored at the table, he asks us to cheer for each bite. 
Whatever works!  I'm sure he'll outgrow it eventually.

As always, YMMV & best of luck to all parents of finicky eaters!

Laura
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:05:33 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <xl=raln@lynx.unm.edu>, kim@m44.unm.edu writes:

.  BTW it's my job to do all diaper changes
> whenever I am physically present, but my wife has to deal with doctors and
> insurance company.  A more than even trade, to my mind.


Okay, obligatory obnoxious comment:  in our house whoever sees that a diaper
needs to be changed, does it.  Oh, except big brother--he isn't quite old
enough to handle the process.  No negotiations, no tradeoffs.  

We have an equal-diaper-opportunity marriage :)  Lord knows, there's
opportunity enough for both of us!

Ann Helmers
From: alanj@endeavor18.tek.com (Alan Jeddeloh)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Date: 14 Dec 92 18:12:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tektronix, Inc.

In article <1753@optigfx.optigfx.com> wang@optigfx.optigfx.com (Alice Wang) writes:
> ...                So did the American fathers (in the 60's) changed
>diapers or is this a new phenomenon? ;-)  ... 

Jan's Dad changed diapers, gave bottle, etc., for/to both Jan and her brother.
This was in 1955+, but Jan's Dad was somewhat ahead of his time.  *My* father,
I'm sure, never came close to a diaper, although I think he may have
administered a bottle on occasion.

--
    Alan Jeddeloh      W:(503) 685-2991  H:(503) 292-9740
    Tektronix, Inc.; D/S 60-850; PO Box 1000; Wilsonville, OR 97070
    Alan.Jeddeloh@tek.com 
    You can put the children to bed, but you can't make them sleep!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: bert_al@pts.mot.com (ALICE BERTELSON X2572 P7331)
Subject: bathtime hair worries
Reply-To: bert_al@pts.mot.com
Organization: Paging and Wireless Data Group
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:20:23 GMT

In article 23786@rd.hydro.on.ca, crobshaw@rd.hydro.on.ca (Catharine Robshaw) writes:
>*>
>*>My son is 14 months old.  

stuff deleted


>*>
>*>My next problem is bathtime.  He hates getting his hair washed.  I used to
>*>be able to lay him back in the tub and rinse his hair that way.  Lately he
>*>has become hysterical when I try to lay him down, he also gets hysterical
>*>if I just dump the water on his head sitting up.  He doesn't know enough to
>*>tilt his head back.  Any suggestions there?
>*>
>*>Thanks for any advice.
>*>
>*>Catharine
>*>crobshaw@rd.hy.on.ca
 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ||||||||||||||||||

WHY is this different from the "from crobshaw@rd.hydro.on.ca" in the article?

The best thing we ever did to help this problem with our 17 mth old daughter was 
to get a hand held shower head (v.Cheap) to attach to the bath tub faucet... THEN 
you stick a really neat toy, sticker, picture of Mummy (I'm British!) or Daddy HIGH 
up on the wall above the tub ...SOOOO that when you want to get her hair wet or 
rinse the soap out you just say - "Where's the picture of Mummy?" - "Smile at Mummy's 
picture (or whatever works - you can tell that WE havew a picture of ME!!!) and back 
will shoot the little head to look UP at the picture and PRESTO you can quickly and 
adeptly rinse it all out before she (I mean HE - I have a daughter so it's atomatic!!)
even knows it!!!

Hope this works for you too...........Happy trying...............

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Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.child-support,soc.men,soc.women,sci.psychology
From: petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire)
Subject: Re: Neglected or Abused Children, CPS, Foster Care and Prison
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 19:13:12 GMT

sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:

>In article <1992Dec15.080819.7725@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>, noraa@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (aaron.l.hoffmeyer) writes:
>> This article casts light on the systematic placement of neglected or
>> abused children in foster homes.  Often "neglect" means that the
[...]
>> back on.  And now, we are seeing the results of such a "slash and burn,
>> remove the children and brutally condemn the parents, at least we got
>> our piece of the pie" approach.
>> 

>And, in the state of Ohio, the case workers are mandated to get the child
>placed back in the home as soon as possible.

>[Head of] Childrens' Services.  Last time I talked to her she was feeling
>very harrassed.
>She said she was getting innodated with phone calls from people wanting
>CS to TAKE their kids.
>BTW, ADC is pretty much comparable to Foster Care payments. 


>> Here's the article....
>> 
>> Placement of children in foster homes can be harmful
>> 
>> 	COLUMBUS, Ohio (UPI) -- Officials of children services agencies say
>> placement of children in foster homes can be harmful to the youngsters
>> and sometimes affect them for years afterward.
>> 
>> 	``We are damaging these children, sometimes for life,'' said Dan
>> Schneider, director of the Public Children Services Association of Ohio,
>> which represents the 88 county agencies statewide. ``No matter how bad
>> the situation at home, the attachment to the birth parents is very
>> strong.''
>> 
>> 	Schneider said the goal of children services agencies is to protect
>> children, and that means there always will be a need for removing
>> children from obviously dangerous situations. But currently it is done
>> far too often, he said.
>> 

Could someone tell me (without emotion) that why is it better to return
a child to to its bio-parents if the parents can not be helped (ex: on
drugs) or will not accept help (ex: "We have done nothing wrong", "no one
is going to tell us how")

Why do these experts feel that this is better that a subsitute family
that cares ? Is the bio-attachment more important in a child then his
or her family environment.

-pete
Pete Lancashire
petel@sequent.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ssimmons@convex.com (Steve Simmons)
Subject:  >>>A few facts about circumcision
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:51:56 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.


First, we just had our son circumcised; however, neither my wife nor
I had strong feelings about it.  Her brothers were circumcised when they
were in the teens and so she felt that it was best to get it done when he was
young.  I had been circumcised and thought that it would be easier to 
teach him good hygiene habits.  That is, I would not be able teach him about
cleaning the foreskin (at least from experience). I was a little concerned 
because there are stories about the organ being destroyed by a poor job.  
In fact, my cousin had gotten too much cut but he has had 5 kids with 2 
different wives. 

I had friends whose Jewish parents escaped Nazi Germany.  They refused to have 
their sons circumcised because the Nazis used circumcision as a way of 
determining if you were Jewish. 

My question is what is the folklore behind both the Jews and Moslems requiring
circumcision.  I am Jewish myself and have been told that it is merely 
custom. 

BTW, I did not even understand what I was missing until I was 17.  I was 
reading the book, "Joy of Sex" and they were discussing it there in the 
context of sex. That book said that some women like the circumcision while
others prefer foreskin.  Those prefering circumcision liked the implied
cleanliness and the others like the budding flower appearance. 

Therefore, don't worry about giving your kids a complex.  They won't even
notice it if they get cut young.  I would be more worried if they are looking
(and talking) about each other's penises when showering.  Usually, locker 
room talk among the guys is more ambiguous like "I am so big that I could 
have an affair with the Holland Tunnel". 

Thank you. 

						Steve Simmons
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: it's happened again, or why mom's hair is turning gray
Date: 12 Dec 1992 00:02:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake) says:

>In article <1992Dec11.225855.26330@crd.ge.com>, kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover) writes:
>|> In article <11DEC199213025674@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov> 
>|> goldberg@eldyn.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>|> >Well, here it is two weeks until Christmas, and it has happened
>|> >again. My daughter wants fake spiders from santa. Yeah, right,
>|> >they're easy to find this time of year (not!). My son, yesterday,
>|> >asked for a teddy bear ring.
>|> ...
>|> >Anyway, I guess I am not looking so much for advice
>|> >as commiseration. Does this happen to anyone else?
>|> 
>|> Well, it coulde be worse.  My daughter has consistently been
>|> asking for Zambonis and Backhoes.
>
>Yes, it could be way worse.  My son wants a baby brother for
>Christmas.

     And a good friend of mine asked for a rocketship when he was about 4.5,
and said he wanted to vacation on the moon.  He always has enjoyed reading
about outer space.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
    Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
he ran to first and made it?     : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
Newsgroups: misc.kids