From: cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker)
Subject: Re: Survivors of Abortion: The Dreaded Complication
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:24:52 GMT

slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:

>chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:

>Big deal.  Premie survival in the second trimester is pretty common 
>now days.  Try to stay up with the technology, huh?

I'm sure you wouldn't mind providing your statistical interpretation
of "pretty common".

>Besides, if you don't like the article, call the CDC.  They're the
>ones who assert that there are between 300 and 400 live births 
>resulting from abortion every year.  

Which publication would this be in?

>One young lady, 14 years old, and the survivor of a saline abortion,
>makes pro-life speeches around the country 20 days a month, every month
>of the year (a tutor takes care of her schooling needs).

True, the pro-"life" gang has never hesitated to exploit their children
to further their cause.

I do remember seeing an interview with an "abortion survivor", though.
Oddly enough, she was pro-choice.

>>And how about this litany?

>>``We have produced an unusual dilemma,''

>>``We've had guys drinking too much,''

>>``You are doing a destructive process,''

>>``There  is  a  lot  in  medicine  that  is  unpleasant,''

>>``You get burned out,''

>>``It's  disconcerting,''

>>``That's not medicine,''

>>``This is happening all over the  place,''

>>``It is frightening,''

>Pretty typical remarks from medical personel involved in the abortion
>process.  What's your point?

These are pretty typical remarks from medical personnel involved in
ANY medical process.  It's a high-stress, highly egotistical profession
(in general), and often there is no consensus on the "right" way to
treat any particular condition.  These comments are hardly specific to
abortion.

>>Btw, the birth of my daughter could be considered an abortion...

>Oh, did you want her to die?  Did the ob/gyn try to strangle her with
>surgical sutures and fail?  Did s/he cut off her buttocks in order to 
>speed her bleeding to death?  Or did s/he wrap the baby in a newspaper
>and put her on a side table, while ordering everyone to stay away from
>the bundle 'til it stopped moving?  How many of the baby's limbs were
>cut off doing the attempted D&C (the little girl in New York is only
>missing an arm)?  Or did your wife get a hysterotomy?  Did you dig your
>daughter out of the trash can on the way out of the clinic (I say clinic
>because most abortions are not done in hospitals)?  Does your daughter
>now have cerebral palsy due to the violence done her during this
>"considered abortion" (many do)?

While the fact that you constantly post fantasies like the above reveals
very interesting aspects of your fantasy life, the fact is that many
dictionaries define abortion as the early termination of pregnancy.  By
this definition, ANY C-section can be considered "an abortion".

Really, Kellmeyer, if you begin to find a desire to act on these
fantasies of yours, I would seek professional help quickly.

>I extend my sympathy to you and your wife, and I hope your daughter 
>learns to understand why you might want to consider her birth an
>abortion.

All she'll have to do is look it up in the dictionary....

>>Chris Lyman 

>Steve Kellmeyer

                         -rocker
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