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From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: MLB Magic Numbers for Fri, Sep 11th, 1992
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:47:26 GMT
Organization: Joseph TeleCommunications Enterprises; Berkeley, California, USA
Via: JTC Enterprises Major League Baseball Department (Statistics Division)
     JTC Enterprises Sports Sector (Information Department)


     MAGIC NUMBERS OF DIVISION LEADERS FOR FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 1992

          [NOTE: Includes all of yesterday's games; i-idle yesterday
           z-won yesterday or split a doubleheader; EL-eliminated.]

NATIONAL WEST		 MN	        	NATIONAL EAST		 MN
Atlanta	Braves		z--		        Pittsburgh Pirates	i--
San Diego Padres        z15		        Montreal Expos		i19
Cincinnati Reds          14		        St. Louis Cardinals     i14
Houston Astros            6		        Chicago Cubs            i13
San Francisco Giants    z 1		        New York Mets           i 7
Los Angeles Dodgers	 EL		        Philadelphia Phillies	i 1

AMERICAN WEST		 MN 		        AMERICAN EAST		 MN
Oakland Athletics	z--		        Toronto Blue Jays	i--
Minnesota Twins         i18		        Baltimore Orioles	i20
Chicago White Sox        16		        Milwaukee Brewers	i18
Texas Rangers		i 7		        New York Yankees        i 9
California Angels       i 3		        Boston Red Sox          i 7
Kansas City Royals      i 3		        Cleveland Indians       i 7
Seattle Mariners	 EL		        Detroit Tigers          z 6
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From: jcohen@sco.COM (Jon Cohen)
Subject: Re: Ugliest Players
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 20:15:48 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Keywords: ugly players



This topic seems to come up every year. In full
knowledge that the real beauty of human beings is on
the inside, I nominate:

Willie McGee--Looks like a cat foetus or a handicapped
              citizen of the same planet as ET

Randy Johnson--Bean pole with weak chin, bad skin,
               strange tufts of facial hair. Looks
               like the skinny guy in the Scooby-Doo
               cartoons.

Robin Yount--Great as he is, he is also of great ugliness.
             Has the beaked, convex face of a gargoyle or
             griffin (no, not Alfredo Griffin).

Zane Smith--Weak chin and odd, sucking mouth that gives
            impression of toothlessness. A shorter Randy
            Johnson.

Otis  Nixon--This is what Charles Bronson would look like
             if you cooked him at 350 degrees for a few
             hours.


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From: GC.DCW@forsythe.stanford.edu (TIN HORN COWBOY)
Subject: Re: Canseco in postseason (was Re: A's Lineup!)
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 11:42:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.193816.7192@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>,
gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>kthompso@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Kevin Thompson) writes:
>>[...] Canseco has absolutely sucked
>>in two of the 3 World Series he's played in -- and the 3rd one doesn't count,
>>it was against Giants pitching :).
>
>Yes -- but no more than the rest of the A's.  Canseco hit a grand slam
>against the Dodgers in 88 (off the white-hot Hershiser, I believe?)
>but it was erased by Gibson's homer off Eckersley.  And I don't see
>anybody quoting the horrendous WS stats of Stewart, McGwire, Steinbach
>or anyone else.  (I don't know how bad they are -- but they must be,
>because the A's as a team sucked so bad in the 88 and 90 series.)
>
>An interesting trivia, by the way, is that nine different A's have
>homered off the Giants in the 89 series -- but McGwire wasn't one of
>them!
>
>>Seriously, remember how bad he was
>>against the Dodgers in '88?  One HR in game 1 or 2, then *nothing*.  I think
>>he's .065 or something for the '88 and '90 series combined.
>
>Like I said, I don't believe that McGwire, Hendu and Rickey did much
>better -- nor did those "hard working, dependable, clubhouse leader
>types" (Steinbach and Lansford).  I'd be happy to see the stats,
>though.
>
>>[...]  people do seem to forget how much Canseco sucked in his World
>>Series career (sorry, I don't remember ALCS stats).
>
>Well, I remember several homers in Fenway and SkyDome, a stolen base
>or two in the 88 ALCS, etc.  But again, I'm willing to stand corrected
>if somebody posts the stats.
>
>
>--Gidi
>
>
>
From: bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Ripken's Season
Date: 14 Sep 1992 03:36:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bk713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimon Zachary)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) says:

>In article <60258@mimsy.umd.edu> chernesk@cs.umd.edu (Michael Chernesky) writes:
>>In article <BuF8HD.7Hx@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) writes:
>>[In his signature file]
>>>Cal Ripken   April-August   .249 BA  .355 SLG  .329 OBA
>>>Cal Ripken (1 Sep.- 9 Sep.) .152 BA  .182 SLG  .222 OBA
>>
>>Does anyone have a breakdown of Cal Ripken's stats since around July 1.  I
>>have heard/read that they are so bad that they would make Mark Belanger
>>wince.
>
>BATTERS         BA   SLG   OBP   G  AB   R   H  TB 2B 3B HR RBI  BB  SO SB CS
>RIPKEN,C 9/6  .243  .344  .321 136 535  62 130 184 22  1 10  60  58  43  4  1
>RIPKEN,C 6/28 .289  .449  .369  74 287  41  83 129 14  1 10  38  34  22  2  1
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>difference    .190  .221  .265  62 248  21  47  55  8  0  0  22  24  21  2  0
>
>Ripken has been more of a shit than I thought!  He shouldn't be
>batting third.  He shouldn't be batting cleanup.  He shouldn't be
>batting fifth.  He shouldn't even be batting ninth!  He should be
>riding the pine!
>
>Replace Ripken with Luis Rivera at the start of July (and use a
>sensible lineup), and the O's would be tied with the Jays.  And *how*
>much will he be earning next year????
>
>Great players can carry a team.  They can also become real millstones
>when they don't perform.  Because good or bad, they will play every
>day and bat in the middle of the lineup!
>
I was at the Yards today, and of the few times the crowd bothered to make much
noise, perhaps the most notable was some fairly lusty booing of Cal (Ripken,
not Elred).  Booing CR Jr in Balto. is like booing Yaz in Boston (before he
retired, that is.)

Could Cal have abruptly slipped into mediocrity at age 32 (?is that right)?
I doubt it, but wouldn't that be just about the greatest contractural lemon
of all time?

Would Cal ever be benched?  If he keeps up this Mendozaesque production next
year, Oates will have no choice. (Right?) It will be interesting what happens if 
Cal makes a tepid recovery, say to .240/.300/.360.  I guess that would be
OK for a SS.

The O's look pretty dead.  Pity.  I was looking forward to a race.


-- 
Kimon Zachary			"I stand by all the misstatements that
JHU School of Med.			I've made." --Dan Quayle
Baltimore, MD		
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From: reynard@susie.cs.scarolina.edu (John Reynard)
Subject: Re: Fielder
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:55:27 GMT


rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising) writes:

>Out of curiosity, is there anyone on the net who would really rather
>have Fielder then either Thomas, McGuire, or Olerud?  Short answers
>are preferred.
>-- 

I'd rather have Fielder than Olerud.  Not for just this year but for his
carrer.  If you are basing solely on this year It's hard to think of 
too many 1stbasemen I wouldn't rather have(although Galaragga and Wallach)
Just my opinion flame on.

John

>Name:     Jim Rising
>Mail:     Dept. Zoology, Univ. Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada    M5S 1A1
>UUCP:     uunet!attcan!utzoo!rising 
>BITNET:   rising@zoo.utoronto.ca
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From: Phillip Godwin <cmpsg03@nt.com>
Subject: who gets credit for win?
Organization: Northern Telecom
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:31:09 GMT

I know this is probably an FAQ, but what the heck...

What is the rule(s) for determining which pitcher
gets credit for a win?

I've always assumed that it was the pitcher that was
in the line-up when the go ahead run was scored - is
this right?

...Phil
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From: wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew Wall)
Subject: What's really going to happen with baseball...
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball
Organization: Swarthmore College Computing
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:07:50 GMT



My predictions for what's going to happen in the next few years:

1. The owners will threaten a lockout next spring but not follow through
because of the economic necessities of getting the expansion franchises
going.

2. a new, gutless, powerless commissioner on the CEO model will be hired in
the best interests of the owners.

3. the owners will stage a lockout in the spring of '94 when the Basic
Agreement expires.

4. There will be no baseball for many months in '94.

5. The owners will capitulate because
 (a) the players have truly been stomped on a lot in recent negotiations
and despite ignorance of the scope of the situation will finally refuse to
put up with it
 (b) the owners can ill afford to lose revenue, while the players with
their gigantic salaries can survive for years without their incomes.
 (c) in an extended strike, some players will opt not to return to MLB
 (d) the 1922 decision that baseball is a "sport, not a trade" that upheld
the baseball anti-trust monopoly can be re-evaluated by courts if there is
no longer an independent commissioner with a "best interests of baseball"
vested interest; there will be noise in Congress about removing the
exemption started by Congress critters from areas that didn't get an
expansion team; and there will be serious rumours of a third league being
started, with at least one Canadian team and either a team in SF or St.
Pete depending on how that situation comes out.
 (e) in-fighting among the owners will scuttle the unified front. Let's
face it, it's owners who paid the ridiculous salaries to free agents in the
last four years, collusion or no collusion. If they'd individually acted in
the best interests of the group they wouldn't have their problems, and
gutting the commissioner isn't going to help things any.

6. Realignment will be quashed and we'll see Chicago and St.Pete play in
the West for 20 years.

7. The owners will kill the passive audience for baseball and settle for a
TV contract 1/3 the size of the current one in '94-'96.

8. MLB attendance will drop in '95 for the first time since the early 70s.

9. Some serious attempt at another major league will be made after much
litigation in the mid-late decade.

Remember, you heard it here first.

- Matt

wall@cc.swarthmore.edu

"I don't think I want to live in a country where George Bush gets to go to
the all-star game and Cecil Fielder doesn't." - R Rappaport
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From: TW.N82@isumvs.iastate.edu (BOB.PEDERSEN)
Subject: MLB club ownership
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 22:22:46 GMT

Can someone point me to a listing of the ownership of the major
league clubs, with a little bit about each?

I'd hate to find myself rooting for a wholly owned subsidiary of
Darth Vader, Inc.

No need to post the list, unless you feel others would be interested
-- just tell me where I can find it.

Thanks a lot!
--
Bob Pedersen
Recent graduate and flunkie, Iowa State University
Future Library Science student, University of Iowa
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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:43:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.132127.13850@cs.wayne.edu> dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.174435.3715@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>>>We have reached agreement!  The point of disagreement is that you 
>>>contend that Fielder is substantially responsible for the runs, and
>>>thf (with lots of agreement by daves and dave-wanna-bes) says
>>>that Tettleton, Fryman, Phillips and Whitaker on the whole contributed
>>		 ^^^^^^
>>>more.  Fielder just got more of the accounting entries called RBIs.
>>
>>How did a guy with lower OBP *AND* lower SLG contribute MORE to his team's 
>>offense? In the BTW category, in 1990, Fielder had the highest SLG and OBP
>>on the team. In '91, he had the highest SLG. This year, he STILL has the highest
>>SLG of anyone who hasn't missed more than ~30 games (as of Aug 30).
>
>Actually Fryman has a higher OBP than Fielder (.324 > .318), but the
>main reason he is more valuable is that he plays about average defense at
>a very difficult position, while Fielder plays lousy defense at a very
>easy position.

I did point all that out, as you no doubt know, having read the articles.
In any event, the discussion was contributing to an offense (ie the Tigers).
Doesn't matter how much better than other people you are at your position; the
offense doesn't care about postion.

>By the way, if you're such a beleiver in OBP and SLG, why don't you
>compare Fielder to Frank Thomas, Mark McGwire, Mickey Tettleton, etc.
>There are about 25-30 regulars who have higher OPS's than Fielder.  And
>of those 25-30, very few of them have as little defensive value, or run
>as slow as Fielder.

I did mention that, as of the time I wrote the article, Cecil had a higher
SLG. As for baserunning I posted some stats regarding taking the extra base
on outfield singles. Fielder did slightly better than those three you mention
above. and while MacGwire is a great man with the glove, Thomas has no arm,
and got injured last year on a throw from one of his infielders.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do. 
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From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch)
Subject: Stupid Injuries (was Re: Life  6.F)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:12:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.164857.3696@island.COM>, fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes...
> 
>Saw this on rec.humor and I thought I'd pass it along:
> 
>>(g) Atlanta Braves pitcher John Smoltz gave himself five-inch-long
>>    welts in March when he tried to iron his polo shirt while wearing it.
>>    "I've ironed that way five or six times," he said, "and never had
>>    it happen."
> 
>Sort of reminds me how Kevin Mitchell put himself on the DL; he pulled a
>muscle in his rib-cage while throwing up.
> 
A few years ago, Greg Harris (Boston) had to go on the DL after he hurt his 
arm flicking sunflower seeds in the bullpen.  

Of course, Mike Harkey's recent injury (injured while doing cartwheels in the
dugout) is just as bad...

This might be inaccurate, but I think Alan Trammell injured himself a few
years back when he fell of the stilts he was wearing as a part of a Halloween
costume.  Bet the Tigers management was just thrilled about that one...

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From: bouchard@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Roger Bouchard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Clemens getting credit for shutout?
Date: 10 Sep 92 11:01:16 GMT
Reply-To: bouchard@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Roger Bouchard)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I had a nice arguement with my son about Clemens getting a credit for
shutout last Monday against Texas Rangers 3-0. My son claims that a
pitcher must complete the game (9 innings) to get a credit for shutout.
I thought today in baseball the pitcher need at least 7 innings to get
it with relief pitchers finishing up. Who is right?
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: The New Commissioner of Baseball
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 22:59:20 GMT

In article <8SEP199216522362@scsuc.ctstateu.edu> aboufadel@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (ABOUFADEL,E) writes:
>With the resignation of Fay Vincent, the owners of Major League Baseball have
>the task of hiring a new commissioner.  If they can wait until the end of
>January, then the following man would be an excellent choice:
>
>	George Herbert Walker Bush
>
>Bush for Commissioner!

Unfortunately, there would be conflict of interest, since his son owns the
Rangers. :-)

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Subject: Re: The New Commissioner of Baseball
Organization: Academic Computing Services
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:12:43 GMT

In article <8SEP199216522362@scsuc.ctstateu.edu>, aboufadel@scsuc.ctstateu.edu (ABOUFADEL,E) writes:
|> With the resignation of Fay Vincent, the owners of Major League Baseball have
|> the task of hiring a new commissioner.  If they can wait until the end of
|> January, then the following man would be an excellent choice:
|> 
|> 	George Herbert Walker Bush
|> 
|> Think about it.  

Nah.  His son owns the Rangers.  Conflict of interest.  

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From: RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Todays News (Rickey too)
Date: 13 Sep 92 01:12:52 GMT

i really don't see why the a's fans think they got such a bum deal.
sierra is not exactly an awful player; admittedly, he's not canseco,
but he's still pretty awesome, and an ace reliever and a fair starter
thrown in to boot seems good to me.
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From: claudius@leland.stanford.edu (Nelson Lu)
Subject: RC/27 for LFs
Organization: DSG, Stanford University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 92 21:51:54 GMT

NATIONAL LEAGUE
Barry Bonds, Pittsburgh		10.39
Bip Roberts, Cincinnati		6.04
Moises Alou, Montreal		5.99	; my #2 pick for ROY; Karros?  No way.
Bernard Gilkey, St. Louis	5.02
Ron Gant, Atlanta		4.67
Eric Davis, Los Angeles		4.63
NL AVERAGE			4.59
Luis Gonzalez, Houston		4.48
Mariano Duncan, Philadelphia	4.36
Jerald Clark, San Diego		4.16
Derrick May, Chicago		4.14
Kal Daniels, Chicago		3.99

AMERICAN LEAGUE
Rickey Henderson, Oakland	9.03
Shane Mack, Minnesota		7.51
Brady Anderson, Baltimore	7.19
Candy Maldonado, Toronto	6.31
Kevin Reimer, Texas		6.19
Kevin McReynolds, Kansas City	5.96
Tim Raines, Chicago		5.87
Kevin Mitchell, Seattle		5.76
AL AVERAGE			5.37
Mel Hall, New York		5.30
Luis Polonia, California	4.85
Billy Hatcher, Boston		4.71
Dan Gladden, Detroit		4.66
Greg Vaughn, Milwaukee		3.63

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GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
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Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: miked@pterodactyl.cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael Davey)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:45:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.014114.898@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>	Yeah, I've noticed. Several people think that their views are the only
>views, and wage the equivalent of a Crusade on the net whenever anyone dares
>disagree with them. Not that I really care. I take baseball as entertainment,
>not as some college statistics problem like many on this group do who try to
>Enlighten us Heathens.
>
>Brandon Cope

	WORD! Their inside jokes, sarcasm, and patronizing attitudes get
old after about two sentences. They should quit taking up space on the net and
e-mail each other so they can remain secure in their smug little world and
not be forced to respond to those who disagree with them. I was even emailed
something by one of them who couldn`t believe that I "dared" questioned one
of the great exalted Sherri`s positions on an issue. I guess were just supposed
to sit around and wait for them to dispense baseball wisdom and if we disagree
with them too strongly, we get put in their kill files so they  can remain
blissfully ingnorant.

--Mike D.--





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From: O1DOUG@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU (Doug Miller)
Subject: Re: criteria for THE HALL
Organization: The University of Akron
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:23:40 GMT

    It was said that one must be the best at his position to be considered
for the hall, this way it would keep guys like Don Sutton out. It was also
said that one must have impressive stats like 300 wins, well Don Sutton has
those impressive stats. No one backs into 300 wins. Don Sutton was a model
of consistancy for years, a fine role model, and a man of dignity. You can
have yours drunks, habitual gamblers, tax evaders, wife beaters, drug
abusers, but I'll take people like Don Sutton any day.
 
 
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From: e140-an@volga.Berkeley.EDU (Albert S Chi)
Subject: Re: Stupid Injuries
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 21:38:06 GMT

In article twhite@mozart.amd.com (Tom White) writes:
...
>   Who was the Blue Jay who banged himself up while dreaming of spiders?

That would be Glenallen Hall.

                                        Albert Chi
                                        chi@ucsee.berkeley.edu