From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: posting to fj groups (patch to inews)
Date: 7 Sep 92 08:00:53 GMT
Followup-To: sci.lang.japan
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

karttu@mits.mdata.fi (Antti Karttunen) writes:

>In article <1992Aug31.193214.900@neopath.wa.com> mike@neopath.wa.com writes:
>>
>>I want to post an article or two to some of the fj newsgroups, and would
>>like some advice from others who may know what they're doing. My main
>>question is what code should I use for japanese text?
>>
>>News I post from here appears to get mangled so that the escape characters
>>for JIS codes are stripped, but EUC code *seems* to go out fine - I posted
>>some messages with a 'local' distribution.  Are readers in Japan going to
>>be able to read a EUC message, or will they get a screen full of garbage?

>Well, I think that by now most of the newsgates don't strip the eighth
>bits off from articles, as I have seen some articles posted accidentally
>in EUC to fj.groups from Japan, coming intact here (Finland). (I think
>they come through U.S.A). But it is still not recommended to post
>with 8-bit codes (EUC & Shift-JIS) as there might be some machines
>still somewhere which strip the eighth bits. So use JIS, which uses
>only printable characters from ! (33.) to ~ (126.), and ESC, which
>however itself is stripped by default version of inews when _sender_
>_posts_ the article. So solution is to patch your local inews shell
>script (if you use Unix), as mentioned in articles below:

While some the escapes may survive certain links (and the ones for
JIS are in the first 0-127 characters, not 128 and ff), I think
JIS is more secure.

As for the patches for inews, bnews211 is available in Japan all
patched and ready to go; you only need to compile and install it.
There are patches for nn that let it handle Japanese as well. 

If you have somebody there who can ftp, attached are a list of
FTP sites in Japan (I got mine from ftp.kuis.kyoto-u.ac.jp).

Just for my own interest, what do you think would happen if somebody
put up an alt.fj.xxxx. Do you think it would arrive at your site? 

Best,

Dave

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Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
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