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From: gburton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Garland O Burton)
Subject: Re: physical evidence
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 03:19:50 GMT

did anyone see the "in search of" epsidode where the "rock hounds"
found the "spark plug like device?"

it was imbedded in a rock said to be many thousands of years old.

what was that thing, where is it now and what do *they* call it.

gb

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gburton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu.............copyright 1992 gary burton........
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Question
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 07:06:44 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <169nksINNhi1@agate.berkeley.edu>

Dear Investigator: In regards to your question about the person talking
in another language; I have a friend in San Jose who channels a spiritual
space person. This entity has appeared in a physical manifestation to her
before and gave her information and advice. I once asked her (Gloria is
her name) to answer a certain question I had. The question was; What 
can you tell me about the 120 hours of darkness and period of total
light that Hatoon has been predicting? His answer was quite profound.
If you will send me your address through E-mail I will see if Gloria's
space friend will be so kind as to answer you question.
John Winston.
From: Rickie.A.Slater@dartmouth.edu (Rickie A. Slater)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:54:55 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Aug14.145945.5875@engage.pko.dec.com>
stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes:

> 
> It is useful.  They are alerting us to their presence in a non-threatening
> manner.

What proof do you have that the intention is to alert us to anything?
Couldn't the clues we find be the result of something else some it was
up to and he/she/it just didn't care if we knew? Maybe some it was just
testing out a new toy that bends plants. Then when it found out how
much of a commotion it made with the natives it passed out a bunch of
them to friends. So now we have a lot of et type aliens bending plants
in different places, getting out of sight to watch  and laugh their
asses off (assuming they have asses) at the foolish natives who are so
convinced it means something.
Some threatening manners have been reported. 
BTW do you still believe in Santa Claus?

> You are wrong. :-) 

You are a day dreamer.

> If your job was to facilitate the merging of a neophyte culture into
> one far older and more experienced spacefaring culture, then you wouldn't 
> begin by scaring them to death and alienating them.  You would announce
> your presence gently and you would be very patient and give them the
> time they need to observe you and your ways..to get to know you.. so that
> they will not feel out of control.

What proof do you have that any are interested in merging? Why do you
imply all et's are of the same mind and culture with the same intent
and purpose? You make it sound like the universe operates like Bambie's
woods?

> If you are a gardener, do you trample the flowers? 

Yes. Whenever I please. But only my flowers usually. Yesterday I walked
on my wife's carrots, but it was an accident and she doesn't know yet
so don't tell her.

> >BTW how long have you been a vegetarian?
> 
> I don't see the relevance at all.

If you eat the lower species of the earth why shouldn't the et's do so
too. But I expect you believe you are above being supper for grey's.
*heh*

Does anyone besides me believe too much is being read into the crop
circles phenomenon? I expect encounters of the third kind would tell
me/us more but the alien air travelers are just so darned hard to meet!
Anyone got a phone number of some friendly ones who will meet me
somewhere and NOT have me over for dinner?

Rick S.
From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Sighting In New Brunswick, Canada
Date: 15 Aug 92 05:13:02 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO

I would also like to add that another group in the United States handling 
reports is MICAP.  They can be reached at 303-431-8796.

Mike

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
From: userDHAL@mts.ucs.UAlberta.CA (David Halliwell)
Subject: Re: physical evidence
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:33:27 GMT

chapman@ims.com (Dave Chapman) writes:

>In article <cass8806.163@elan.glassboro.edu>, cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:
>|> In article <1992Aug9.015509.12070@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gburton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Garland O Burton) writes:
>|> >there are folks whom i tell of the abduction/eti/ufo phenom...
>|> >they say "show us the physical evidence."
>|> >can anyone suggest any?
>|> capture an alien.

>Any one capable of building an interstellar craft will be able to build other
>smaller artifacts that are clearly beyond our ability to make. For instance a
>lap top computer given to an abductee in 1955 would have been very credible
>physical evidence. Now of course you will have to come up with something fancier
>than a lap top computer.  
>-- 
  
    There we have it! The proof! We now actually *have* laptop computers,
so aliens *must* have left them behind in 1955!


Dave Halliwell
Department of Geography
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring)
Subject: Re: physical evidence
Organization: FB Physik, Universitaet Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:03:38 GMT

In article <8z9m_aj.jeffp@netcom.com>, jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes:
>In article <Bt52oJ.6vy@apollo.hp.com>nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>>These excuses about why nobody gets physical evidence of "abductions"
>>are just a little too convenient -- sort of like the Christian Fundy's
>>excuses for fossils, carbon dating and other evidence which appears
>>to make the world seem older than 6000 years: being God, He made the 
>>fossils and other evidence too.  
>>
>>Excuses, excuses.
>
>What do you want? Photo's? You claim they're faked. Metal from the ship?
>It's turned up before, but seems to be lost now if the government gets
>wind of it. The only reason we don't have lots of evedence is because your
>and my taxes go to suppressing it.
>
>IF the Corona crash went to court, you could prove it happened. [..]

Excuses, as he said.  It's simple:  You give us proof, you get our belief.
Look at it as a business transaction.  You can't go into a supermarket and say,
"My credit card has turned up before, but seems to be lost now" or "The only
reason I don't have money is because of my taxes" or "IF I went to court, I had
money" and expect they give you anything for it.

-- 
--------------thomas kettenring, 2 dan, kaiserslautern, germany---------------
Definition:  Idiot-proof  -  you are idiot-proof when you NEVER flame anybody.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.politics.kibo
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Gary Stollman For President...
Organization: Between a rock and a type specimen sheet, Boston.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 04:45:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.162256.9659@gozer.mv.com> klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride) writes:
>Hey!  I thought that Sy Sperling was going to be your running mate!?

Well, see, the Constitution says you have to be a natural-born citizen
of the USA to be President.  Sy Sperling is artificial from the scalp up.

								-- K.

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: harrism@aquila.rtp.dg.com (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 17:56:19 GMT
Reply-To: harrism@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC

In article <63859@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
|> Dear Rock Watchers: Dr. Demonde has found that rocks from around the globe
|> breathe, but just one inhalation can take anywhere from three days to 
|> two weeks. They have also found that rocks also show signs of brain 
|> activity. Some scientist say they are impressed with the data. In a speech
|> that the Doctor gave to a group of fellow biologists last month he said
|> that we recognize that  our findings are startling, and we need as much
|> additional information as possible to back up our work.
|> So, that's it folks. I think I'll name my rock Lurch.
|> John Winston.

	Damn! My rock must be hyperventilating! And I thought it was slow...
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: Aliens are partly to blame
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 14:56:55 GMT

In article <63706@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:

Thad, hope you don't mind my chopping up of your well written message
to add my comments. 

>
>*IF* one subscribes to an "alien visitor" hypothesis, there are several (and
>probably more) concomitant assumptions one could make concerning the visitors:
>
>	-- they're intelligent (by our standards, understanding physics (re:
>	   space travel), mathematics (re: celestial navigation), chemistry
>	   and 

This is undoubtedly true *IF* one subscribes. 


>biology (re: survival during space flight), etc etc)

Not necessarily. One thing I have been pondering for a long time is the fact
that *IF* aliens exist, their rate of development in areas of technology,
biology and social stuctures could be very different from our own. They 
could be very unadvanced in some areas and just advanced more in interstellar
space travel. There are some books that were mentioned to me a few years 
ago by my boss (who is also interested in this subject of aliens) about
lost technologies. Could be that the ancient Egyptians had technologies
that we do not. Thats what the books suggested. I don't mean they had
better radios and TVs or faster memory chips. More like, better ways to
cut stone. Or better ways to move large objects. There are small shreds of
evidence to suggest this. What I am trying to say is that just because
the possibly existing aliens can "do" space flight, does not mean they
are more advanced in every way. They could be VERY primitive is some ways
so as to totally confound us. Many have dreamed of aliens with unimaginable
technology but it might be in some certain directions and not in all.

>	-- they're curious (HOWEVER, their motivation may not be in OUR best
>	   interest(s))

The fact that a race has *ANY* technology indicates they are curious. 
Their motivation could be in our WORST interests. I think we need to prove
their existence before we start


>Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com ]

Gregg.














Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: STONE@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Travis R. Stone)
Subject: Tesla: Genius and Fruitcake All In One
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:31:04 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In Article #7088, Don Showen (or is it Showden? Sorry if
I've gotten it wrong, Don) discusses Nicola Tesla's invention
of AC power generation and other related things.

In the book "Empire of the Air" (the one the PBS TV special
was based on, which focussed on radio pioneers Edwin Arm-
strong, Guiglielmo [spelling?] Marconi, and last but most
deservedly least, the egotistical know-nothing Lee DeForest),
the author(s) make brief mention of Signor Tesla.

He claimed to have gotten many of his ideas about electro-
magnetism TELEPATHICALLY FROM "CERTAIN PIGEONS".

Now, if THAT doesn't bespeak a certain degree of nuttiness
in a person's mental makeup, then I don't know what DOES.

The book also mentions that Tesla managed to cause a blackout
via a failed experiment to transmit power sans wires; obviously,
the pigeons led him astray that time.

                          ;-) 

T.R. Stone
University of Nebraska-Omaha
From: cherkaue@zomma.cs.wisc.edu (Kevin J. Cherkauer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Saucer Crash Claims
Summary: Not limited to the US
Date: 20 Aug 92 20:48:44 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In article <86656@netnews.upenn.edu> jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien) writes:
>Claims of UFO crashes only come from
>the US. In Europe, UFO crashes just don't occur. So either
>the Aliens just love to crash in America, or ...

  Actually, I have read claims of crashes in Sweden, Poland, Brazil, and
Russia, to name a few, and I'm not even a UFO expert.
  It must be nice to live in a world of your own construction, but don't try
to make the rest of us live in it too.

-- 
Kevin Cherkauer
cherkaue@cs.wisc.edu

Disclaimer: The above opinions are solely the responsibility of my owners.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Happening
Keywords: military helicopters lights
Reply-To: hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wadleigh)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 14:34:44 GMT

You're reading too much into it.  Hypnotherapy should always be a last resort.
Don't get into long discussions of various forms of "proof" for any
hypothesis.  My recommendations are for anyone with problems to get a
therapist who has no axe to grind, that's all.
From: stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:50:51 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <1992Aug13.221257.22629@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Rickie.A.Slater@dartmouth.edu (Rickie A. Slater) writes...
>In article <1992Aug13.163641.20572@engage.pko.dec.com>
>stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes:
> 
>> In article <1992Aug12.112650.25645@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Rickie.A.Slater@dartmouth.edu (Rickie A. Slater) writes...
>> > 
>> >>Why land in the middle of crops, making a stange formation that will get 
>> >people suspicious when you could easily land in some other place that would 
>> >leave no such "evidence."
>> 
>> Because you want to leave evidence... that's the whole point.
>>                   /\
>I didn't write this ||. I believe they don't care what evidence is left
>as long as it does not make for bad karma by being intentional,
>nonuseful destruction. 

It is useful.  They are alerting us to their presence in a non-threatening
manner.


>                    
>                 ||
>I did write this \/.
>> > 
>> >If you had work to do in a place where no one could overpower or
>> >influence you would you really care what kind of impression you made,
>> >on the planet surface or on the inhabitants lives?
>> 
>> Yes... I would.
> 
>I expect that if you really do care about your affects on everything
>alive as much as you imply that you have been through a lot of
>different jobs and spent a lot of time out of work.If given the job to
>go to carry something to the boat dock that is accross a large lawn
>towards the lake  do you contemplate what you are stepping on every
>step of the way? Maybe frogs, moles, earthworms, insects, plants and
>who knows what else. I believe when we are at work we pay little
>attention to anything outside of our work or the work does not get done
>right. You say you would care about the affects of your actions but
>when was the last time you said no to your boss or got so involved with
>things other than the job you were given that it interfered with the
>job getting done? If I am wrong let me know how to do what you do.


You are wrong. :-) 

If your job was to facilitate the merging of a neophyte culture into
one far older and more experienced spacefaring culture, then you wouldn't 
begin by scaring them to death and alienating them.  You would announce
your presence gently and you would be very patient and give them the
time they need to observe you and your ways..to get to know you.. so that
they will not feel out of control.

If you are a gardener, do you trample the flowers? 

>BTW how long have you been a vegetarian?

I don't see the relevance at all.
From: markh@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Mark Holladay)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Lay Lines
Date: 19 Aug 92 05:39:29 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii at Manoa



In article  <3.14159=>=>=>@somewhere in Mexico>

John_-_Winston says;

>Now let me give you another fact. The Earth's resonate frequency
>is 8.3 cycles per second (which varies a little due to certain
>factors).  I wear a watch that has a transmitter in it that puts
>out a wave of energy at about the same frequency as the Earth
>resonant frequency. This shields me from ELF (extremely low
>frequency) radiation.  John Winston.

And (Ithlial the Archer) asks;

>>Why would one worry about natural radiation below the optical
>>band?  There are no natural sources (on the Earth) of radiation
>>in this energy range intense enough for your body to be effected.

>>All the man made sources I can think of, microwaves, radio
>>station, TV stations et cetera are harmless.  If your going to
>>worry about natural sources of radiation I'd think UV from the
>>sun should rank pretty high.  The key here is low frequency=low
>>energy.  Radiation in this range is not ionizing, which is what
>>makes it dangerous.

>>BTW what is the reference for this ELF radiation from the Earth?

>>Ithlial

>>My opinions, mine, mine, mine!

>>To me, boxing is like ballet, except there's no music, no
>>choreography,
>>and the dancers hit each other.

O.K. you asked for it.  Don't laugh at me, I got this out of
paperbacks.

     Around 1905 Tesla did some experiments in Colorado Springs
with high voltage, low frequency A.C.  He discovered that in order
to get a propagated wave to travel from his 128ft? coil tower to
the opposite point on the earth and return in time to amplify the
next wave traveling up the tower the frequency must be 10.65hz.  He
called this the resonant frequency of the earth.  
     New Age foo foo heads believe the human aura is tuned to the
earth, you know, Gaia's babies therefore Gaia's tone.  The human
aura is shaped like an eggshell.  The 60hz coming from wall sockets
disrupt this human force field, cracking the eggshell.  When the
eggshell is cracked humans are left open to psychic attack by grays
and other evil entities.  The grays can even implant devices to
control you.

So, there you have it.  Have fun with it.

To me, surfing is like ballet, only the wind sings the song, the
tides beat the drums, and the waves caress you like a lover.
KAWABUNGA, HERE COMES A DINOSAUR...
From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 15 Aug 92 06:25:51 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:

>Rick (Slater):

>I'm still waiting for your proof that humans created all the 
>crop circles with 2x4s...

>In fact, could you prove that humans created ANY of them?  Now guys,
>let's have him figure out this one by himself...

>Prove to me that any of the crop circles were created by humans.

>Rick

>-- 
>Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.
>kuryakin@bcstec.boeing.com       |           
>AppleLink:  kuryakin             | It wastes your time           
>r.pavek1@GENIE                   |          and annoys the droid.  


*****
Crop circles are created by alien spaceships...Not little old men carrying
big sticks...Anyone who believes anything else is a nitwit and a fool...
Linda Moulton Howe ran the designs through the computer of the guy who
figured out Stonehenge, and they discovered mathematical equations, some
of which we don't have...But I suppose those two dweebs know higher math,
right??  SURE!!!

	Gary Stollman
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: forrie@morwyn.uucp (Forrie Aldrich)
Subject: Re: Saucer Crash Claims
Organization: Vision Graphics
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 00:07:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.204844.18038@cs.wisc.edu|  cherkaue@zomma.cs.wisc.edu (Kevin J. Cherkauer) writes:
| jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien) writes:
| >Claims of UFO crashes only come from
| >the US. In Europe, UFO crashes just don't occur. So either
| >the Aliens just love to crash in America, or ...
| 
|   Actually, I have read claims of crashes in Sweden, Poland, Brazil, and
| Russia, to name a few, and I'm not even a UFO expert.
|   It must be nice to live in a world of your own construction, but don't try
| to make the rest of us live in it too.
[ ... ]

	Agreed.

	Of particular note here, concerning Brazil, there have been (and I think
	there still are, but I will have to check) a rash of UFO sightings...
	the craft are triangular in size.  I think these types have been spotted
	in the US.

	One point I understand about the Brazilian government is that they are
	not trying to cover it up, but are actively trying to FIGURE it out.
	(I received this information from an associate on the network).

	I was speaking earlier with friend of mine, regarding speculation about
	the MIB (Men In Black) phenomenon and the various governments.  Perhaps
	there _might_ be a UN appointed ruling to allow for these 'agents' to
	do what they do, etc.  It would at least bring the fact that they are
	sighted everywhere back to 'earth' (pun intended).

	A good book to read is "UFO Chronicles of the Soviet Union..." By
	Jacques Vallee.  After years of suppression, many reports and records
	are being circulated about this phenomenon which has been occurring
	over there for quite some time now.  A very well researched and
	composed book (just released this year, BTW).

	And while I'm thinking of it, doesn't MUFON and the other various
	UFO organizations have international contacts?  There must be a way
	to keep a tab on reports, etc.  And I'm curious if one of these
	organizations has a computer database of known sightings, with which
	to make reference to, and possibly case histories... anyone know?

	Forrest
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