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Date:         Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:36:05 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      weasals, hoops, cage
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Carol:
I thought weasels really DID rip your dress... you were at a highland fling in
Saskatchewan and were crawling under a tent so you could look up the bohdran
player's kilt when the embroidery hoop in your pocket snagged one of the tent
poles and there you were so when night fell a passing troupe of weasels
mistook you for a yard sale.

Leonard's Deep Thoughts:
That is a good question!  And it even fits with Jeff's earlier post that I was
pondering (Cage finding out his prepared pianos never sounded the same when
different people played them...which is how he wanted it)

In other words, we are talking about ideas of PERFECTION here (in a way):
1) There's Miles, Jimi, Coltrane, and SONNY SHARROCK at the top of the
mountain; and 2) there's John Cage with his idea of how things OUGHT to sound;
and then 3) real life enters in... the thumb tacks slip, SRV hears Jimi and
says WOW, then Leonard hears SRV and says WOW... so where does it all stop?

Here's my answer (and my answer is YESSIR, I sure do like to hear all those
cats who dig Miles, Jimi, etc. but are not Miles, Jimi, etc.) (maybe not
ALL... some are great even if they're raggedy and others are awful even if
they're slick)...  Well, let's save that for a minute and go to my main point
(yes I have one): it is my memory of this very strange, smashed out of his head
musician (pianist) I once met in NYC who was very, very accomplished
(classically trained) and his only piano (by CHOICE) was an upright that was
pretty much of a mess (broken, etc.)... He played some of the most magnificent
Bach I've ever heard on that piano!  I asked him (naive little thing that I was
in those days) why he preferred that piano, and I love his answer: "I like the
way it sounds."  Now THAT's perfection!  He was reaching after some sound in
his head, and this banged-up piano gave it to him... In other words, he really
was REACHING for something.  That's why Miles, Jimi, Coltrane are at the top of
the mountain (Jags)... they were reaching; but we can all reach, and when
people play with complete sincerity in this way--it always moves me, and I like
to listen.  But when folks are PRETENDING to reach but are really just going
through the motions (and is there anyone out there who
will really tell me they can't tell the difference???)--it turns me off
totally.  Maybe this has absolutely nothing to do with John Cage... Maybe Cage,
instead of "reaching" in quite this same way, was turning it upside down and
was saying that instead of reaching by himself, he was looking for things that
would reach HIM.  Over and out. Sonia
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:10:00 LCL
From:         Kevin Sonney <KEVIN.DAVINCI@MHS.UNC.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Thoughts on Prince
X-To:         Michelle May <ALLMUSIC@auvm.american.edu>

Michelle --

When  I  first  heard  "Martika's  Kitchen,"  I  thought  it  was
Wendy&Lisa (who I've always liked...) - her voice and the writing
style  was  close  to  some  of  the  things  they  did on  their
self-titled debut album. I was almost surprised when I bought the
single and found "Words and Music by Price" on the label...

"For  You" is  the  only Prince  LP  I haven't been  able to find
(aside  from  the LP  he  released under  the  name Spookie)  and
purchase.

I guess  I  should rephrase  my  initial statement -  I've been a
Prince *FAN*  since 1999. I've tried to find everything that came
before that.

I admire Warner  for the freedom they allowed Prince in his early
years (and now even more since he owns the Paisley Park Label). I
wonder  what kinds  of  musical growth  other  artists would have
experienced under the same terms...

-Kevin
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 10:54:51 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: John Cage died
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              at Aug 13, 92 9:42 am

>      On NPR Morning Edition today there was an announcement that John Cage
> died last night of a sudden stroke. He would have been 80 on Sept. 5. Do
> something indeterminable today in his memory -- I feel kinda sad today.
>
My sister (at NEC) got to play in a Cage performance last year, and she also
wrote something really interesting about him at the time ...
Unless I hear an outcry, "don't
don't" I might dig up a few lines to post because it was really good and might
serve as some kind of tribute.

"beasts bowling" - I meant Howling!  (it was awfully early to be writing about
Sonny Sharrock)

re: one liners and this being a "serious discussion list."  Gary, I'll agree
that one-liners should be avoided, but I will take serious issue with your
point that this net must always be SERIOUS.
If this were a totally serious net there would be no one on it.  As
Wittgenstein used to say, "there is more grass in valleys of silliness than on
barren heights of cleverness."

And there must be a reason that Leonard hasn't gotten flamed--I think it's
because he does great posts; I have always really enjoyed them from the very
first day I got on this net--I thought to myself, now here's a mensch.

Other than avoiding disembodied one-liners, my vote is to live and let live.
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 09:26:13 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      The Sonny Sharrock Caboose
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Once again bringing up the rear on a long-gone thread, I'm here to report on
the reactions of a culturally deprived person who had *no idea* who SS was
before getting on this high-class net and then getting a Sharrock sampler in
the mail in a plain brown wrapper.  I'll try to refrain from my favorite
valley-girl adjectives and instead here's my you-are-there-psychotronic stroll
through Sharrock-land (no I'm not tripping except over institutional
wastebaskets).  Maybe I've been watching Star Trek too long (the new
generation) but listening to Sharrock is like wandering through a landscape
(many landscapes) on another planet--through gardens, vistas, labyrinths,
abysses, falling off one planet and plummeting through blackness to another
planet, on an utterly incredible (ooops, valley girl) journey where many worlds
coexist, many worlds collide...lyrical, furious, lucid, soulful, a staggering
wealth of "musicks" and voices--sometimes a beast bowling, sometimes a little
blade of grass gets to sing the blues, there is funk, there is soul, the
rhythms are big and powerful yet oddly open, full of space on the grand scale,
but all those roots are always there ... This guy goes in my GENIUS category
lest there be any doubt.

Marco, thanks for your reply on PG.  PLIZZ, tell me the story about Shock the
Monkey.  (and I'm going to look for that video

Re: SHOCKS.  I have a question for all you technical wizards.  Last night I
got a doozy of a shock through my right arm (still aches!)--Even though the
amps weren't turned on (but they were plugged in) they sure had the juice
anyway.  I was holding a cord attached to one amp and reached out to unplug my
pre-amp that was plugged into the other amp, and ZOW it hit me.  My cat came
running to check on what happened.  I could use some advice--or is the only
advice to touch ONE piece of equipment at a time?

(anyone remember that story by James Thurber about his aunt who was terrified
of electricity escaping from sockets....?)
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:50:19 EDT
From:         WALTER SHERRILL <SHERRIWR@DUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Bass World (was: Friday thoughts)

I have a general question. How is the seemingly interactive conversation
format accomplished? Does it have something to do with your particular mail
option settings? Thank you.
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:07:12 EDT
From:         PERES@BRUFPB2.BITNET

I am a musician and teacher of Federal University of Paraiba, and I
would like to known more information about this list.
sincerely,               Carlos Alan Peres da Silva
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:24:14 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: thunk, ignoring bounces
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              "crispen" at Aug 14, 92 11:05 am

>
> Follow-up to my previous post.
>
> I think Sonya's Thunk is better than my Chunk.
>
> Extra credit question:
>
>    (d or maybe e) What bin does Pantera belong in?
>
> I'm assuming that I ought to be ignoring the following, which I've been
> getting all day:
>
>    From postmaster@gmuvax.gmu.edu Fri Aug 14 10:56:03 1992
>    Date: 14 Aug 92 11:45:00 EST
>    From: "RSCS Postmaster" <postmaster@gmuvax.gmu.edu>
>    Subject: Returned Network Mail
>    To: "crispen" <crispen@efftoo>
>
>    Your mail is being returned to you.
>    Reason for return is:
>    %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user 5138AG at node GMUVAX
>    Returned mail follows:
>    ------------------------------
>    Received: From AUVM(MAILER) by GMUVAX with Jnet id 4449
>           for 5138AG@GMUVAX; Fri, 14 Aug 92 11:45 EST
> ...

Help -- I keep getting messages returned with the same stuff--I thought I was
doing something wrong! I had another thunk message (very important too!) and
it has come back twice.  What'll I do??? Sonia
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:12:01 EDT
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Keith Richard

In addition to the open and semi-open tunings that Keith uses, he also
plays a lot of his rhythm licks out of the following movable chord:


E -----1--------------------
B -----1---2----------------
G -----1--------------------
D -----1-------3------------
A -----------------(4)------
E --------------------------


For the Computer-Generated Tablature Impaired (tm), what this means is:

1. Barre (with the index finger) the E,B,G, and D strings at the 2nd fret.

2. Fret the B string at the third fret with the middle finger.

3. Fret the G string at the fourth fret with the ring finger.  Hammer-on
   and pull-off as needed :)

4. Fret the D string at the fifth fret with the pinky (optional).

Played as shown, this is a D chord.  It can be moved as necessary.

Sorry if this is TOFW (too obvious for words).  It is the one thing I know
about Keith Richard's guitar playing, so I figured I'd share it.

-Scott "Rolling Stones Wannabe -- NOT!" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:51:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      "My White Bicycle"

>From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>

>John added:

>>Other Tomorrow trivia: "My White Bicycle" was covered by Nazareth.

>       Interesting! Do you, (or anyone else) know what album they covered
>it on?

At the time I bought it, it was being billed as a non-LP single.  I don't
know if it later made it onto an album or not.

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:37:55 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Jazz Beginner

After years of being asked, "Why don't you try to play more jazz?"  I think
I'm finally ready to go for it.  Here's the scoop:

I have played violin and flute for twenty-two plus years.  I have mostly
played classical, but have branched off into easy listening (because I play
a lot of weddings).  My association with jazz playing has been sporadic--I
played in a jazz orchestra for two years (had a chance to play behind Joe
Williams and Dizzy Gillespie).  I can READ anything you put down on a staff;
but when it comes to improvisation--I'm lost.  I can hear what I want to do
in my head, but it never seems to come through the instrument.

Can someone recommend where I can begin on this quest to become more familiar
with jazz playing?  I will probably do most of the work on violin because it's
the instrument I play most.  Scale books, theory and just general good books
on the subject would be helpful.  I have a very diverse record collection and
have many classic jazz albums from my grandfather's collection--if you could
recommend some listening "assignments". . .

Thanks to everyone in advance,

Michelle "breaking out of her shell"
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 17:33:45 CDT
From: <U19807@uicvm.uic.edu>
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Subject: Re: come monday

In article <ALLMUSIC%92081110393105@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>,
AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU says:
>
>Go ahead and say what you like about Billy Rae Cyrus;but there will be a day
>with country songs going over to the pop charts; country songs will sweep the
>Grammy Awards.

>What do you have to say about that?!

Will "so what?" fit the bill?

Look...with very few exceptions,the Grammy awards have been nothing but a
shuck designed to let all sorts of RIAA-connected industry creeps strut
their,er,"product". Bonnie Raitt's well-deserved awards aside,do you think
that I'm (or anybody else with a clue,for that matter) gonna give a flying
you-know-what for an award ceremony that was dumb enough to give pseudo-
talents like Michael Bolton and utter fakes like Milli Vanilli awards for
their ability to con people? Nope.

As to Billy Bob Virus...oh,who cares. He's beefcakier than Steve Earle and
has a better PR firm backing him than Hank Williams ever did,so of course
he'll sweep the Whammies. Whether this constitutes genuine talent or not
is a highly debatable point,though.

      ** Chris Krolczyk,esq.  * DISCLAIMER: My opinions are in **
      ** Maniac-at-Large      * no way endorsed by the Univer- **
      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:52:24 EDT
From:         Scott Hammer <SCOTH@WMVM1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      In Defense of Country Music

Not all country music is sappy/cheezy, and not all of it goes THUNK, THUNK,
THUNK.  There's bad music in any genre, but all genres have their high
points, too.  Admittedly, my tastes in country music run to old stuff (20's-
50's), but here goes:

Some knowledgeable critics say that the first rock 'n' roll song ever was Hank
Williams, Sr.'s "Move it on Over," circa 1954.  Even at this late date, it
rocks.  BTW, artists like Carl Perkins, Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis, and
Elvis (mixed blessing) all started out playing country music.  In fact, many
of them never stopped playing it.

You want _genuine_ emotion, try anything Patsy Cline recorded in her short
career (particularly "I Fall to Pieces"), or any of the Carter Family's
"sad" love songs (my favorite is "Are You Tired of Me", also known as "Answer
Only with Your Eyes").

I could go on and on.  I haven't even mentioned Johnny Cash, or Merle Haggard
("Mama Tried" and "Looking for a Place to Fall Apart" are classics).  How could
anyone not like Emmylou Harris?   The point is, be careful when you dismiss a
whole genre.  There's liable to be some good stuff you're discounting.

-Scott "I'm Proud to be an Okie from Muskogee" Hammer
 College of William and Mary
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Date:         Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:50:09 EDT
From:         "Mike A. Banfield" <mab@LIS.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CD Splurgefest IX-XII (I'm gettin' lazy 8))
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Regarding:

----- Begin Included Message -----


I really don't know of any Material albums with Ginger Baker, but Baker
did do two albums with Laswell, I think both are on Celluliod.
I have one of them, Horses and Trees, and Sharrock is not on it.  But
Skopelitis is.  Also Bernie Worrell, Foday Suso, and Nana
Vasconcelos.  Shankar on violin.  It has a bit of the grit of the 60s.
The other one I only heard briefly, but I don't know of it has Sharrock.

Jeff


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Sharrock played on a record with Ginger Baker entitled "No Material."  It was in
 the June issue of the Cadence catalog.  I`m not sure what label its on. Let me
 know if you need more info.

Mike Banfield
mab@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:07:40 EDT
From:         Rick McRae <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Friday thoughts

p.s. to my last post answering Leonard's questions:


                        :-)

Rick
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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 09:52:24 MDT
From:         weasels ripped my dress <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>
Subject:      RE: THEORY
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That backwards guy said:

>I won't argue the point... in fact, I'm sure you're right on the mark there...
>but then, you COULD extend that to ALL of life/improv, eh?... NOTHING is new,
>we're just remembering (?universally?) all that's gone before... reminds me of
>"deep discussions" we had back in the early-eighties (Iron Tortoise, Alabummer)
>with members of Transmuseq - anybody remember THAT? - RE: automatic
>play/writing!

How far back are you willing to go?  Not just this life-time, but previous
lives as well??  :*)  Holy Karma Batman!!

>Could this have something to do with why it's SO hard to find "improv" players
>that can "hear" behind the patterns?  I agree that someone with NO technical
>background/knowledge is probably not gonna' make GREAT player (either in
>randomland OR in the more formal environ), but some folks WITH tunza skill
>(as expressed recently on this net) have NO idea how to improv... my first wife
>was VERY, VERY skilled, but take her sheets away, and she could barely play
>"Chopsticks"!

This whole idea of musical improvisation is rather intriguing to me despite the
fact that I am not a musician.  My improvisations are restricted to comedic
references and acts between the sheets, but if the feelings of satisfaction,
freedom, and discovery experienced by improvising musicians are even remotely
close to mine, then it must be a wonderous activity!!  I think the idea that
being overly saturated with theoretic material hinders ones improvising
adventures is right on the money.  But having a playful disposition can,
perhaps, over-ride all that...

- Carol
From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
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Subject: Re: Answers to those timeless questions
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:18:41 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

In article <ALLMUSIC%92081412420281@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> CV01@SWTEXAS.BITNET writes:
>   If not that, maybe I could be a part of Beer's group (Brackets?).  Then
>I could show him what a *really* out-of-tune sax sounds like.  :*)

Sorry Charlie, we don't allow saxes in our band.

It's a brass thing.  You wouldn't understand. ;)

Jeff
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Date:         Thu, 20 Aug 1992 12:15:51 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      warning 1-liner

does anyone know the site that has all the gif's of musicians i got there
once, but now i don't remember how.
From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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Subject: Jimmy Johnson / Flim and the BBs
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:18:59 GMT
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Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, bulm2533@hgc.edu (steven bulmer) says:

>Good to see things are about the same around here in the coupla
>weeks I;ve been away! heh heh>

  Yep... how else *could* they be?  ;)

>>That's a real surprise -- you know who Holdsworth's regular bassist
>>is?  Wow. Well, yeah, Jimmy a great player. Doesn't he also work with
>>Flim and the BBs? 

>Ahem, Jimmy *IS* Flim....

  I see. Well, I have to admit that I'm not up on my Flim, but what 
I've heard has been pretty good stuff. Perhaps you could point me to
the better recordings...?  I know t.l.g. is also into Flim -- maybe 
he'll have more suggestions. Or different ones. Hey, there's a thought:
Flim Wars I!!  ;)

>So how 'bout this bass news....I've been working on my
>classical bass chops so that I can do some work with
>this semi-pro orchestra here in CT. So I speak to the
>personnel manager,etc,etc and I start 9/14. Come to find
>out, I'll be sharing a stand with ED JONES!!! Mr. 10 years
>with Count Basie Ed Jones who works in computers now, plays
>in this orchestra and takes time off in the summer to do
>"some festivals" like North Sea, etc, etc.

>Oh man, I'm peeing my pants as Carol would say.

  Conscratchulation, T-Bass!  Glad to hear there's some folks on the
list rubbin' elbows with the upper crust (and having that annoying
incontinence problem at the same time).  ;)  ;)  ;)  Good luck!!

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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From:         Mike McGuire <MIKEM@UCSFHC.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Sophie B. Hawkins
              17 Aug 1992 21:03:54 MDT from <watson@HG.ULETH.CA>

On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:03:54 MDT weasels ripped my dress said:
>
>Hey, is she the blonde who sings a tune that goes something like  "DAMN, I wish
>that I was your lover"?  My life story... I wish I would have written that
>one...
>
>- Carol

That's the one Carol babe.  I could of sworn she gave you credit for that
one on the cd!  She said you influenced her to do the nude photo on the
rock's on ht einside cover.
Mike
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:20:00 EST
From:         MCINTYRE@MSUPA.BITNET
Subject:      lunch hour sightings

Spotted some interesting items on my lunch hour that I had to pass on  until
the credit card recovers from the last import splurgefest:

MC5 _Back In The USA_ and _High Time_, their two studio albums.  Interestingly,
these were priced at $12.99 while the live _Kick Out The Jams_ was marked
down to $9.99.

Another $9.99 bargain was Johnny Rivers' _Changes_ and _Rewind_ on a single
disc.  _Changes_ marked the beginning of his mellow period and is mostly
standards such as "Softly As I Leave You" although it does have his hit
"Poor Side Of Town".  _Rewind_ has his covers of "Baby I Need Your Loving"
and "Tracks of My Tears" plus a whole bunch of Jim Webb tunes.  Now if they
would just put _Realization_ out on CD...

Finally found a Chad and Jeremy CD, but alas it's from the Columbia - Epic
period so it's missing their best songs, but it does have "Before And After"
and "Distant Shores" as well as their song from the movie _Three In The Attic_.

Now if I could just figure out why the Johnny Rivers disc was in the
alternative - import store while the MC5 were in the mainstream store...

John McIntyre
Physics - Astronomy Dept
Michigan State University