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From: bernardo@erevax.bitnet (Marcelino Bernardo)
Subject: Re: Mskermit with SoftPC?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.apps
Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering, Co.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:47:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct15.175917.445@hnrc.tufts.edu>, saul_sy@hnrc.tufts.edu
(Saul Tannenbaum) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Oct12.084154.9670@kth.se>, lenb@nada.kth.se 
> (Lennart Brjeson) writes:
> 
> > Has anyone used  MSKERMIT (DOS) successfully with SoftPC? 
> 
> MSKERMIT Version 3.12 (the latest, FTP'able from watsun.cc.columbia.edu),
> works for me with SoftAT Version 2.51 (also the latest).
> No special magic was involved. I know this doesn't actually answer
> your exact question, but it does prove that one can do it with
> at least certain versions of the software involved.
> 

Why would anyone want to use MSKERMIT with SoftPC when MacKermit is
available?

Marcelino Bernardo
bernardo@erevax.bitnet
*These opinions are my own*
From: bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacIntercomm (finally a real comm program)
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:41:52 EDT
Organization: Hayes Microcomputer Products, Norcross, GA

In article <BvtyrI.F7F@world.std.com>, jbailey@world.std.com (james d bailey) writes:
> 
> Actually, the reason I bought it was the terminal emulation is very good,
> especially the PC-ANSI emulation.

Did you bother to check out Smartcom II's PC-ANSI emulation? 16 real colors.
All the IBM character set.

And FAST!

No? Too bad.

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From: impact@crhc.uiuc.edu (Temporary Account for HP visitors)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: *** Questions about FaxSTF
Date: 7 Oct 1992 13:19:54 -0500
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
NNTP-Posting-Host: haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu

brent@telebit.com (Brent Chapman) writes:

><IGMJG@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:

>>I'm thinking about buying a v.32bis fax modem for my Macintosh. Right now, the
>>tossup appears to be between the Supra (w/v.17 14.4 Fax) or a Global Village
>>Teleport Gold (w/plain ol' 9600 Group III Fax). Anyway, the deciding swing
>>vote may be in the software that each modem uses. I've read a bit about the
>>Teleport's fax software; now, I have questions for those of you who use STF's
>>FaxSTF software. Mainly:

>I've got both: Global Village's "GlobalFAX" software with a GV PowerPort V.32
>(aka "PowerPort Gold") modem in a PowerBook 140, and FAXstf with a Supra
>FAXmodem V.32bis on my Mac IIcx.  Of the two, I definitely prefer the Global
>Village stuff.  It has a few features FAXstf doesn't (like the ability to
>easily and conveniently merge multiple documents into a single FAX), and
>it seems generally better designed, more consistent, and more reliable.

>I really wish there was some alternative to FAXstf for my Supra.


So I take it that GlobalFAX will wonly work on Global Village
modems? I believe FaxSTF is the only fax program designed
for all different kinds of fax modems. Doesn't QuickLink also
make a fax program for the MAC?

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: egreen@waggen.twuug.com (Eddie Greenside)
Subject: Re: MacIntercomm?
Organization: Brite Systems
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:05:54 GMT

Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU (Conrad C. Nobili) writes:

>In article <6129.2ad01891@hayes.com>, bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman)
>wrote:

>> While MacIntercomm does have this pre-emptive feature, Smartcom II for the
>> Mac was amoung the first programs to properly perform file transfers in
>> the background. It doesn't crash if you try to "do anything" during these
>> transfers. And it is extremely difficult to get it to abort.

>But one *can* get Hayes Smartcomm II for the Mac to abort a file transfer
>simply by holding the mouse button down with the cursor in a menu for
>several seconds, right, Bill?  You said as much, just not as clearly, in
>your post.

>> It is fine to be excited about the new features of a new program, but let's
>> not exaggerate.

>Spare us.  Hayes is now on the receiving end of a truthful "exaggeration"
>and now it's complaining.  I hope the publishers of MacIntercomm
>specifically target your product, perhaps even including a communications
>software "diagnostic kit" as one of many that can be induced to fail by
>performing *perfectly reasonable* actions like holding down the mouse
>button while downloading....

>Conrad C. Nobili  N1LPM  Conrad_Nobili@Harvard.EDU  Harvard University OIT

---------
The program may seem great on the features; however, I found the program to
be very unrealiable and buggy on top of it.  It would crash during transfers
or freeze on me. Also, the program handled very slow on an SE, so I
transfered back to z-term.  I would wait until the company releases a later
version, because right now its very very unstable.  I would like to hear
from other users what they think of it.
Also, I saw their demo at the Macworld Expo, and it seemed very impressing,
however, after using it.. I lost my interst very quickly...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: jbrowne@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Jim Browne)
Subject: Re: HELP - Telnet2.5 loses char on Mac+
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:31:33 GMT

mancini@fysik.uu.se (Derrick C. Mancini) writes:

>Forgive me if this is a FAQ.  I am still having a small problem with NCSA
>Telnet 2.5 running on a MacPlus with System 7.0.1 and TuneUp 1.1.1 and
>MacTCP 1.1 with MacPlus patch.  It seems that characters often get lost
>if you type too fast at the key board.  There never seems to be a problem
>receiving anything, files or display, at high speed.  But I can easily out-
>type Telnet and these never seem to get sent.  I am working through direct
>Ethernet TCP with a manual address.  The physical connection is a Chesapeak
>GeoLink SCSI Ethernet adapter (thinwire).  All other network and TCP
>services seem to work well.  Changing between with and without system
>KCHR does not affect things.  Have I missed something in the documentation?

Do other applications lose keystrokes as well?  I can't think of why this would
be happening off the top of my head.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: Re: QuickMail 2.5.1, GaterMail-Q, and MacTCP
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:48:51 GMT

In comp.sys.mac.comm you write:

>We have QuickMail set up with GaterMail-Q to shuffle mail back and forth
>between SMTP and QuickMail.  To do this, GaterMail-Q need MacTCP.  Here is the
>catch, it only seems to work with MacTCP 1.0.1 NOT MacTCP 1.1!  Our other
>network utilities (NCSA Telnet, Fetch, etc..) need the newer version.  Is there
>some trick to this?

Yup-- your version of GatorMail-Q only works with Mac TCP 1.0.1
which essentailly means that it only works with System 6.  I'll bet you're
using version 2.01 of GatormailQ.  I've been in touch with Cayman on
this -- Last spring  they said it would be updated during the summer.  When 
I was at the August MacWorld they said "any day now", but I've since 
heard nothing. I heard gossip that perhaps Cayman wasn't making enough 
money on it to license the upgrade code from Star*Nine, but I'm sure
Cayman will have something to say after they see this. 

Now here's the trick.   Gatormail Q is based on a similar version of 
Star*Nine's Mail*Link for Quickmail.  StarNine HAS upgraded theirs to be
compatible with Mac TCP 1.1 (and System 7.)  I'm not certain if it is
going to be compatible with the upcoming MacTCP version 1.1.1.

So you can upgrade to Star*Nine's version and not have to worry about re-
creating the SMTP mailcenter.  But of course you will have to pay Star*Nine
to buy it from them.
From: time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: MacIntercomm (finally a real comm program)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 11:14:01 EST
Organization: ICE Engineering, Inc.
Reply-To: time@ice.com (Tim Endres)
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <6130.2ad1735d@hayes.com> (comp.sys.mac.comm), bcoleman@hayes.com (Bill Coleman) writes:
> > That's laughable.  They use the Multifinder HACK that is Apple's sorry 
> > excuse for multitasking which clearly doesn't work for things like comm 
> > programs.   
> 
> Funny, it has been working fine (and without change) for 5 years with
> Smartcom. That's through three major releases of the OS (System 5,6 and 7).
> 
> > MacIntercomm is the only program I know of that can really do  
> > backgrounding, and to downplay that seems like bad sportsmanship.
> 
> I'm not downplaying MacIntercomm's multitasking capability. Read my 
> original posting, I stated repeatedly that this feature was unique.
> 
> I was however, trying to correct the misconception that this capability is
> necessary for background file transfer. It isn't. I've been doing
> background file transfers for years, and I don't have MacIntercomm.

We all know that co-operative multitasking has it limits, and
it has its advantages. Comm programs seem to highlight this.

HOWEVER, as much as MacIntercomm's interrupt level processing may
be cool, you will *never* see me use it. I have had my full share
of interrupt level comm software with the various FAX modems I have
used, and I can say I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!

These types of applications are ALWAYS playing on the hairy edge of
future compatability, and I do not consider this worth the marginal
improvement of not failing transfers on *very rare* occasions. I have
only had background transfers timeout maybe 10 times in 5 years.

Case in point: the INIT problems with MacIntercomm, you don't have
*any* INIT problems with termy. And I will bet termy works with EVERY
future MacOS released by Apple. Do you think MacIntercomm will? Does
MI work under A/UX? Does it use the CTB?

I think the unique feature that MI provides is great for those who
*must* have it, but for me I want compatible and simple.


tim endres - time@ice.com  -or- tbomb!time
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: pmc@world.std.com (Patrick M Chase)
Subject: ARA servers?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:10:37 GMT

We're starting to see alot of users that need something like ARA here, and
suddenly we're buying alot of modems in sets of two...

What we'd like to do is set up some sort of ARA server that users can dial
through to get at corporate data and services on the network.

For a few "specific purpose" situations we've used "retired" SEs and Classics
with a couple of v.32bisers as a hubs. But more users are starting to realize
what they can do and what we can setup for them...

So..... I've heard of 3rd party ARA hubs we can plug into the backbone. Any
information on that out there? What other options do we have? I imagine in
the long run we may want to run TCP applications throught the same setup as
well. Right now we've segregated VMS users by giving them 2400 bps modems and
terminal emulators. But ultimately, we'd like the ARA users to be able to do
terminal sessions with the VAXes, as well as run Telnet sessions to the
Ultrix Boxes.

We've got a single backbone with T1 lines to multiple locations and support
DECnet and AppleTalk over the EtherNet. Mac users use PathWorks on site, and
offsite usage has been negligable in the past. ARA seems like the best move
for our offsite Mac users, but how will it integrate in the long run, and
and can we get some sort of "ARA modem bank" on the backbone at a reasonable
price. Or should we try to get ARA to work through PathWorks and support our
remote Mac users *through* DECnet?

Please respond via Email and I'll summarize to the net.....

Thanx in advance....
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: peterco@eff.org (Peter Cohen)
Subject: Re: Where is FaxSTF?
Originator: peterco@eff.org
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:32:04 GMT

FaxSTF is a commercial product, from STF Technologies.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Jeff E Mandel <mandel@tmc.tulane.edu>
Subject: Re: ARA script for DoveFax+?
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-25817]: mandel.anes.tulane.edu
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6F8810B7B013009@mandel.anes.tulane.edu>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:56:59 GMT
Organization: Tulane University School of Medicine
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:56:49 GMT

In article <183795@pyramid.pyramid.com> Bruce Schlobohm,
bms@penguin.eng.pyramid.com writes:
>| How do I get my DoveFax to work with ARA 1.0?
>| If a script cannot be had, is it easy to write it on your own?
>
>Try using "Hayes Smartmodem 2400" in the modem selection menu.  This will
>actually work for the DoveFax+, I've seen it.
>
>Note that you will have to use the DoveFax Control Panel (or app) to
>make sure the modem is in data mode.
>Also, if you set ARA for answer-calls, you will want to either disable
>the FaxManager or remember to turn off the "answer-calls" box before
>changing the modem back to fax mode.

I don't have my Dove docs here, but the modem can be switched in and out
of Data mode with an AT command. It may be ATFn, where n =4 and 0, but I
can't remember for sure. If you insert these commands into the Hayes
Smartmodem 2400 ARA script, then you can get around the need to switch
modes, but you still have to disable the Fax listener, as it grabs the
port, preventing ARA from getting it.

Jeff E Mandel MD MS
Associate Professor of Anesthesiology
Tulane University School of Medicine
New Orleans, LA

mandel@vax.anes.tulane.edu
From: ak520@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Lucas Wagner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Modem
Date: 11 Oct 1992 17:36:04 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Telebit T2500 -
Supports most v. standards as well as PEP protocol.
Fastest speed is 19,200 bps.  Well documented, many features.
Trying to sell fast! 

All inquiries go to ak520@po.CWRU.edu...

THanks!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Michael Brennan <mikeb@sam.amgen.com>
Subject: Re: Appletalk over PPP adev for Macs?
Organization: Amgen
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 00:26:50 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.211823.20963@news.arc.nasa.gov> Milo S. Medin,
medin@cincsac.arc.nasa.gov writes:
>Hi.  Does anyone know of a network adev to support dialup
>appletalk over PPP rather than using the ARAP protocol?

Apple itself is working on such a product.  I personally have not heard
of any currently available options, but Apple has publicly committed to
making a near-term future version of ARA support PPP.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Alexander M. Rosenberg <alexr@apple.com>
Subject: Re: MacIntercomm (finally a real comm program)
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:31:00 GMT
X-Xxdate: Mon, 12 Oct 92 19:30:51 GMT
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Organization: Hackers Anonymous

In article <BvtyrI.F7F@world.std.com> james d bailey, jbailey@world.std.com
writes:
>MacIntercomm does use the CTB if you want.  This shows a high level of
>compatibilty since the CTB is anything but stable.

If you are aware of any bugs in the Macintosh Communications Toolbox or related
tools, then by all means, please report them to Apple via the appropriate
channels.

Don't waste the time of the net community by complaining in an arbitrary
fashion.
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From: Jerrod@Lilly.Com (Jerrod T. Carter)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: LPD printing method or program.
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:24:59 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Eli Lilly & Company
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Mark Pearson, markp@cranham.cc.earlham.edu writes:
>I've just sent off for (via BitFTP) lpr-12.seahqx at nic.switch.ch in  
>/software/mac/utilities to try it out. You could do that too!

This works pretty good, but I'd sure like to be able to just drop a
doc on the icon and have it send the file then quit. Is there a version
that does that?

jerrod
From: ae211ws@prism.gatech.EDU (Walter M. Stumpf)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: *** Questions about FaxSTF
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:58:03 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Here's another question to add to the list...

I'd like to print TeX documents to a fax.  Does anyone know how the
FaxStf driver looks to an application; does it emulate a Quickdraw
printer?    


Walter



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: smills@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (MuffinHead)
Subject: Re: Zmodem problems
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:47:32 GMT

pw4963@sarah.albany.edu (Peter G. White) writes:

>I am having a problem sending text files from my mac to the UNIX machines on my
>campus.  I am getting the error got zrpos =0 every time I try.  When I use 
>kermit(much slower) it sends the file fine.  Please help me!!!
[really cool .sig deleted]

   Are you using any error correction or compression protocols? Do you have 
the correct handshaking set up for and on your modem? Using V.42bis and V.42
I was having problems similar because I didn't have the modem's CTS/RTS
flow control turned on. WhiteKnight was spitting data to the modem at 9600bps
and the Unix machine (or modem) couldn't handle the data rate (hard to
imagine).
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: AmericaOnline
From: sschechter@idicl1.idi.battelle.org
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:01:54 EST
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: IDI-Dublin
Nntp-Posting-User: raudabaugh

In article <56.2ad60f74@ivgate>, Jim.Redelfs@macnet.omahug.org (Jim Redelfs) writes:
> Dennis Watson replied...
> 
>> I have had no problems. Besure you are leaving out all capitols and
>> all spaces Fred Jones is fredjones@aolcom
> 
> This is WRONG.  Fred Jones is    fred.jones@aol.com
>   
> The dots are CRITICAL.

The dots are not critical. I'm on aol as "OSU STUMON" but recieve internet
mail daily as "osustumon@aol.com"

Perhaps they may be critical on other systems, but AOL is programmed such
that spaces are optional in mail. This means that those sending me mail
on aol from aol can send it to either "OSU STUMON" or "OSUSTUMON".

Since AOL interpreted both as correct before it even hooked into the internet,
email addresses using with spaces removed and no dots are just fine.
From: mancini@fysik.uu.se (Derrick C. Mancini)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: HELP - Telnet2.5 loses char on Mac+
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Date: 11 Oct 1992 19:53:10 GMT
Organization: Fysikum, Uppsala Universitet
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: usx215.fysik.uu.se

Forgive me if this is a FAQ.  I am still having a small problem with NCSA
Telnet 2.5 running on a MacPlus with System 7.0.1 and TuneUp 1.1.1 and
MacTCP 1.1 with MacPlus patch.  It seems that characters often get lost
if you type too fast at the key board.  There never seems to be a problem
receiving anything, files or display, at high speed.  But I can easily out-
type Telnet and these never seem to get sent.  I am working through direct
Ethernet TCP with a manual address.  The physical connection is a Chesapeak
GeoLink SCSI Ethernet adapter (thinwire).  All other network and TCP
services seem to work well.  Changing between with and without system
KCHR does not affect things.  Have I missed something in the documentation?


Derrick C. Mancini
Fysiska Institutionen  -  Uppsala Universitet
Box 530  S751 21  Uppsala  Sverige
mancini@fysik.uu.se
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: ehlers@ntmtv.UUCP (Justine Ehlers)
Subject: Sick System, Dealer Recommendations?
Originator: ehlers@nmtvs262
Reply-To: ehlers@ntmtv.UUCP (Justine Ehlers)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:04:19 GMT


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I was moving this weekend, completed the move, hooked up my Apple IIsi 
to my Apple two page Monitor and got nothing but a blank screen.  :-(

(Powered up.
 The IIsi "blipped" as usual.
 The light was on on both the IIsi and monitor. The power strip was on.  :-)  
 I checked all the connections.
 I tried putting a disk in and ejecting it via the keyboard.  It ejected.
 I monkeyed with the adjustment knobs, saw a bright screen but never saw
 the desktop.
 Everything was working before the move.)

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Thanks in advance, guys.


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