From: puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU (Angel Puerta)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Political Power (Re: New Topics)
Date: 12 Dec 1992 23:12:30 GMT
Organization: Stanford University School of Medicine
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In article <1992Dec12.112539.26651@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <1gcfuoINN9hn@morrow.stanford.edu> puerta@camis.Stanford.EDU
>(Angel Puerta) writes:
>>
>>There is no "over-representation" of Oriental-Americans in the sciences.
>
>Huh?  We must not be in the same United States of America.
>

Yes we are. I simply look at papers and proceedings from conferences. There
is not any over-representation of Oriental-Americans as authors. What
there is is an under-representation considering the numbers at the
undergraduate level of Oriental-Americans.


>>You may know a lot about -cu and -ge 20th century philosophy but you
>>need a course in politics. A face from a competing economic power
>>in a National Science Advisory position? It'll be a cold day in
>>hell before that happens or Clinton has no perspective on symbolism,
>>which I very much doubt.
>
>No ma'am.
>
>What Oriental-Americans don't need is jerks making comments like "face from
>a competing economic power".  What Oriental-Americans don't need is
>jerks encouraging them to shy away from accomplishment because of someone
>else's stupid hangups.

It's that any way of addressing a lady?

Anyway, it seems that your expertise on -cu -ge boloney does not extend 
into mapping first names to appropriate genders. You've got this one dead
wrong.

Let me see...putting down the opinions of what you thought was a female plus
making assumptions about what I'm trying to say based on perceived
ethnicity. By your own definition, that should be very much Chinese-cu. I'm
sorry but it seems that you're a sinner of your own created sins.

>
>By the way, when _I_ see Japanese-Americans, I see Americans--Americans
>who are entitled and who should pursue their dreams to the fullest extent
>of their capacity regardless of the ignorance of others.
>
>Ms. Puerta is, of course, free to encourage her own ethnic group (or
>to continue to encourage Japanese-Americans or any other ethnic group) to shy
>away from their dreams because the larger society supposedly has latent
>hostility.  (I am, of course, free to verbally object to her position.)
>
>However, I would encourage Japanese-Americans to pursue their dreams
>in spite of discrimination.  They should ask President-elect Clinton
>for consideration of a Japanese-American as National Science Advisor.
>
>** Again, I wish to re-iterate the word "ask".  This is not the same
>as NOW demanding that the VP be a woman or with certain other minority
>groups demanding that a quota be targetted.  Japanese-Americans have
>largely succeeded on their own wits and, from a political point of view,
>it's better to keep a certain distance from the "demand" style used by
>certain other groups.

You mean like those awful black people from the NAACP? Well, see they
have to "demand" because they don't have a "pool of talent" like 
Japanese-Americans. They could never be appointed by their own "wits".
Gee, it sounds to me like you invented the term Chinese-cu to apply it
to yourself. 

There is no difference in politics between asking and demanding. Your
idealism is all good and well. But the fact is that the appointment
is not going to happen.

-- 
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu