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From: yajima@nttcom.ntt.jp (YAJIMA Hiroshi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Japan Central League
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:57:41 GMT
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Organization: NTT Network Information Systems Labs. Musashino, Tokyo

Japan Central League Standing ( Through games on Wednesday September 30th)

                           W   L   T   Pct.   GB
Hanshin Tigers            64  57   2  .529    --
Yakult Swallows           64  59   1  .520    1.0
Yomiuri Giants            65  61   0  .516    1.5
Hiroshima Carp            62  63   0  .496    4.0
Taiyo Whales              60  65   1  .480    6.0
Chunichi Dragons          58  68   0  .460    8.5
-----------------
 Alas, the beloved Yakult Swallows lost the game to Hiroshima Carp by the
score of 4-3 Wednesday night at Hiroshima Stadium.

------ Hiroshi
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From: brock@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Bradley W. Brock)
Subject: Re: Better than Runs
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 20:19:58 GMT


In article <1992Sep28.183034.26346@cs.tulane.edu> eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu  
(Dave Bonar) writes:
> In article <1992Sep28.165426.929@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri  
Nichols) writes...
> >In article <92272.091051IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Thomas Hyer  
<IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
> >>  Bunched runs are not worth _quite_ as much as single runs,
> >>because they _intrinsically_ tend to come in games you'll
> >>win anyway.  This is less important in the higher-scoring
> >>Apostatic League, but still an important effect.
> > 
> >I'm not sure I understand this statement.  Are you really saying that
> >scoring a single run in an inning is more valuable than scoring three runs
> >in the inning?
> 
> 	I read it as saying that scoring 1 run in each of three different
> innings is worth more then scoring 3 runs in one inning.  I'm not sure
> I'd support that statement, but, it is how I read it.
> 
I read it yet another way.  Scoring three times in an inning does not increase  
your probability of winning three times as much as scoring one run in an  
inning.

--
Bradley W. Brock, Department of Mathematics
Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology  | "Honor one another above yourselves."
brock@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu       | -Paul of Tarsus to the Romans
From: str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Blue Jays vs. A's
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:37:36 GMT
Reply-To: str@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: maredsous

In article E9A@cs.dal.ca, niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma) writes:
%   Well the rematch between the J's and A's is here, both clubs are considerably
%changed since the 1989 duel, but I'd bet there's still some bad blood between
%them. I heard from an A's announcer that the A's would have rather faced the
%Jay's than the Brewers; they think the Jay's have some sort of phobia against
%them.

Actually, I believe it's because the Brew Crew whipped the A's butts in
the season series.

%   This year I believe the Jays should be slight favorites in the championship
%series as their forte is based around what wins short series: three great 
%starting pitchers in Morris, Guzman and Cone.

Hmmph.  You say three, I say one and two halves.

%Their bullpen also revolves around
%two main guys, Ward and Henke and this combination could prove to be as Nasty
%as the Reds in 1990 WS.

I disagree, but let's move on...

%The A's have managed to get to the postseason by a
%superb bench with unknowns like Bordick, Blankenship, Browne and Parrett leading
%the way. Unfortunately for LaRussa, depth strength is reduced in postseason
%play and frontline talent is magnified.

Here I tend to agree with you.  I believe LaRussa will play his starters --
including Stew, Welch, and Hendu -- wherever he can, even though these guys
have NOT been the story of the A's success this year.  And I'm not sure if
those guys are up to the task.

%   So let's look at position players: who's better?
%
%   C: Steinbach vs. Borders-  The edge is clear, but not HUGE, to Steinbach.

Huge.  Monstruous.  Titanic.  :-)

%  1B: McGwire vs. Olerud- Once again, both players are good but McGwire is 
%      the better product. Another in favor of Oakland.
%  2B: Bordick vs. Alomar- No contest, Roberto hands down. Although Bordick's
%      put up a great year, I remain a bit skeptical of how good a player he 
%      really is. Alomar wins anyways.
%  3B: Lansford vs. Gruber- I have trouble believing anyone can be worse than
%      Gruber. Edge Oakland.

Ironic, ain't it?

%  SS: 
%

Unfortunately, your article seems to have been cut off.  Allow me to finish...

SS: Geez, this is about as close to a push as it gets.  Hitting edge to
    Lee, but I gotta believe Weiss is the better glove man.
    
LF: Henderson vs. (who?  Maldonado?) -- edge Rickey, and this is even an OFF year.
CF: White vs. Hendu/Wilson -- defensive edge to white, offensive edge to Willie,
    with Hendu being somewhat of a wildcard (too few PA).
RF: Carter vs. Sierra -- see SS comments.  Power edge to Carter, but Sierra has
    actually learned the art of the walk with Oakland.
DH: Winfield vs. Baines -- okay, the Jays have this one hands down.
Pitching -- definite edge to Jays, but they're far from unhittable.  Witt is
    the wildcard here, with emphasis on the "wild" part.
    
Last but not least -- coaching/managing:  edge to A's.

The ball is now in your court, Gordon!
From: mjs@fc.hp.com (Marc Sabatella)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Better than Runs
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:10:46 GMT
Reply-To: marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site
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: >  Bunched runs are not worth _quite_ as much as single runs,
: >because they _intrinsically_ tend to come in games you'll
: >win anyway.
: 
: I'm not sure I understand this statement.  Are you really saying that
: scoring a single run in an inning is more valuable than scoring three runs
: in the inning?

I doubt it, it sounds more like "a run scored in an inning where you that is
the only run you score is more valuable that a run scored in an inning where
you score several", which at least sounds plausible.  What exactly would this
mean, though?  That a run scored in a one-run game is more valuable than one
scored in a blowout?  I guess that is a philosophical question that this group
will never reach consensus on.

--
Marc Sabatella
marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com
From: genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: TORONTO BLUE JAYS CLINCHED THE AL EAST!!!!!
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:42:29 GMT
Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering

Thus spake zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Albino Broccoli Huckabay):
 
>ANYTHING can happen.  It's a short series.  Don't EVER woof in a short
>series.  Billy Bates and Billy Hatcher might jump up and bite you.

You know it.  I still have a scar on my upper arm from Buddy Biancalana's
pointy little stoat teeth, and I know a Phillies fan who gets cold sweats
when he hears the name "Rick Dempsey"...

-- 
       David Tate        |"Out of the dugout endlessly swinging,
 dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu | Out of the manager's throat, the sound fundamentals,
 Prof. of Story Problems | Out of the six-month season..."            
 Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR | 	Walt "Lefty" Whitman
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: running <-> errors?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 03:05:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.225140.9215@news2.cis.umn.edu> kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave Heart Condition Kirsch) writes:
>
>>Date: 28 Jul 92 22:14:38 GMT
>>
>>>(Paul R Krueger) writes:
>>>Fifth, the Brewers finished the last 69 games of last year at 40-19, the
>>>best in the majors. If they went 36-18 the rest of the way, they'd duplicate
>>>that feat and end up at 90-72, which would at least keep them in the pennant
>>>race. 
>>
>>And if they play .667 ball from here on out, I'll french kiss Dave
>>Kirsch.  (Think anyone will save this text?   :-)
>
>  Lessee .. the Brewers now have 90 wins with five games to go. Shudder. 
>
>  Consider me on the next flight to Belize .. or Iceland .. or New Zealand.

Actually, Paul was confused.  Through July 27, the Brewers had a 54-44
record.  Leaving *sixty*-four games remaining, not *fifty*-four.  At a
two-out-of-three pace, that is 43-21, for a final record of 97-65.
Milwaukee lost their 66th game on September 16th.  So relax, Dave,
you're safe.

Unless the Brewers find away to win games already lost...

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Make outs, not walks!					tedward@cs.cornell.edu
Clemens four Cy Young!
From: shadow@r-node.gts.org (Jay Chu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Manuel Lee
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:24:39 GMT
Organization: R-node Public Access UNIX Information System (416-249-5366)

What's the status on Manuel Lee?  Will he be in the post-season?

With a great year he's having, I hope he comes back.

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From: thf2@quads.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: McCaskill v. McDowell
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:35:38 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.175611.9964@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David "I already have a middle name" Walker) writes:
>Compare Jack McDowell to his teammate Kirk McCaskill.
>
>      W-L    ERA   IP     H   R   ER  BB  SO
>McD. 20-8   3.17  235.2  225  86  83  68 158
>McC. 10-12  4.13  191.2  174 104  88  85  97
>
>No question who is better, right? Lets look at the batter's statistics against
>them.
>     AB   H    DB  TP  HR  BB  SB  CS  BA   OBA   SA     EQA  EQR
>McD. 894  225  38   6  21  68  27  14 .252 .307 .378    .223  104
>McC. 725  174  28   7  11  85  12   7 .240 .322 .343    .217   81

Dr. Tate has pointed out that, while there might not be such a thing
as clutch hitting, there almost certainly is "clutch" pitching.  Pitchers
are affected by having runners on, some more so than others.  I can
all but guarantee you that McCaskill pitches much worse with runners
on base than McDowell, but probably better (if not much better) with
the bases empty.

Realize, too, that for batters, OBA and SA are just ways of getting to
what we're interested in--runs.  In the case of pitchers, we already have
that information in ERA, so it's less important to extract backwards.

Also, there might be some luck involved...

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         the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
From: grabiner@math.harvard.edu (David Grabiner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: odd questions
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:26:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: boucher.GRABINER.92Sep30142112
Organization: /etc/organization
In-reply-to: genetic+@pitt.edu's message of 28 Sep 92 20:23:31 GMT

In article <6424@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, Dr. Dave writes:

> (I'm not positive on this one.  If a pitcher opted not to wear a glove, or
>  had an ambidextrous glove, he could conceivably start his windup with an
>  equal probability (in the batter's eyes) of hurling with either hand.  I
>  don't think this is a practical worry, but I don't know what the rules have
>  to say, either...)

The rules say the pitcher must have his pivot foot on the rubber, but
the pivot foot is only defined as "the foot which the pitcher must have
in contact with the rubber."  There is no rule that says that a
right-handed pitcher must use his left foot as the pivot foot.

--
David Grabiner, grabiner@zariski.harvard.edu
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From: gene@ok.sw.stratus.com (Eugene Loparco)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cy Young?
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:56:32 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering

In article <17754@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Didi Seven Huckabay) writes:
>Gee, I guess I'll have to tell Greg Maddux he hasn't pitched as well
>as he thought.
>
>Pitcher     ERA   IP    H    BB   K   HR   CG   ShO   W   L
>Glavine    2.87  213   191   69  121  6     7    5   20   7
>Maddux     2.26  259   194   68  190  7     8    3   19  11
>
>Looking at the two side by side, I don't understand why someone would
>give Glavine the Cy over Maddux.
>
>Don't forget Bob Tewksbury, either.  He's probably as good a choice as
>Glavine.  I believe his ERA is 2.19, and I think he's pitched 225
>innings or so.  Walked under 20 in those innings, too.  Very Eck-like.

I'd say it's a toss-up between Maddux and Tewksbury.

>>The american league would probably have to be Roger Clemens again.  Same  
>>story.
>
>I agree, but it'll probably go to some mediot fave, like Morris or
>McDowell.  Clemens is buried on a last place team, and I think the
>Boggs incident will cost him votes.

What about Eck?  I really hate giving the award to relievers but this year
doesn't seem to have any starters who stand out (Clemens is by far the best
of the starters, but I don't think his year was quite good enough to deserve
the Cy).

>>Question:  if Clemens wins, won't that give him more Cys than any other  
>>pitcher in history?
>
>I believe Seaver also has 4, if Clemens wins.

No, Seaver had 3.  Carlton beat him out in '81 to earn his fourth (both had
3 before that year and both had incredible years).

-Gene
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From: olt@elwood.isgs.uiuc.edu (Scott Olt)
Subject: Can of corn?
Organization: Madame Tinkertoy's House of Blue Lights
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:35:43 GMT

Does anyone know the origin of the phrase 'can of corn',
used to describe an easily-caught fly ball?

Thanks...

--
Scott Olt
Illinois State Geological Survey
olt@elwood.isgs.uiuc.edu
From: cclaydon@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (C Robert Claydon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: RE:  BAERGA FOR AL MVP!!!
Date: 4 Oct 92 04:47:34 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

I agree wholeheartedly!!!  (except witht the notion that joe carter should even
be vaguely considered for MVP)

And to add more fuel to the fire, Baerga has had quite probably the most 
overall excellent by an AL second-sacker EVER!  Yes, that's right, and no, I'm 
not smoking anything funny.  Baerga the other night got his 200th and 201st 
hits of the season, to make him the first EVER AL 2bman to hit .300+ with 20 
homers, 200 hits and 100 RBI in the same season.  The only other 2bman (in the 
NL) to do it was some putz name Rogers Hornsby. :-)  (By the way, Baerga is the
first AL 2bman to drive in 100 runs since _Bobby Doerr_.  That's almost as long
ago as the last time the Indians had  decent team on the field... :-)

Rob
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From: niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bonds "choke"?
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:30:33 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In <1992Oct5.144730.18495@odin.corp.sgi.com> kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes:
>In <1992Oct4.214410.23833@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>In <92277.182016JPIERCE@MIAMIU.BITNET> Jeff Pierce <JPIERCE@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:
>>>I believe that the most recent Elias mentioned that Bonds is tied with
>>>Gene Tenace for consecutive hitless ABs with runners on base in league
>>>championship play (0 for 16 last year and 0 for 4 in his final ABs in
>>>1990).  Any guess as to how far he may stretch it this year?

>>Didn't Tenace go on to have a superlative Series?

>Yes, but I would like to point out that Tenace was a catcher (i.e. he
>was there mainly for defense) and that his team won.

What does the fact that his team won have to do with it?  And the fact
that he's a catcher doesn't make his failures at the plate any less
harmful to the team.  And Bonds is good enough defensively to be there
for his defense, too.

>>Or is it just that the World Series is less pressure than the LCS?

>I've heard players and former players say that.   Could be true.

>>Or could it be, just maybe, that if you take 270 players and have them
>>face the top pitching staffs in the league in short series there is
>>a good random chance that two of them will go 0 for 16?

>Sure.  Note that we are really talking about 0-20.
>Anyone know Gene Tenace's overall BA for the years in question?  

>If my calculator and brain are working right, the chance of a .300 hitter
>going 0-20 is 0.000798 or 0.0798%.

Against *AVERAGE* pitching.  But presumably in the LCS/WS you're facing
one of the top two or three pitching staffs in the game.

Furthermore, you didn't do the appropriate calculation.  We're looking
for the probability that at least ONE of 18 hitters will go 0-20.  This is
much higher than the probablity that a specific hitter will go 0-20.

-- 
David M. Nieporent   | Orioles 1993 World Series Champions
niepornt@phoenix.    | Mike Mussina 1992 AL Cy Young Winner
   princeton.edu     | Roland Hemond: SIGN BARRY BONDS!!!!!!!!
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From: gcpahren@eos.ncsu.edu (GREGORY CHARLES PAHREN)
Subject: Re: Cy Young?
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:05:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.152408.13146@cs.rose-hulman.edu> rileyrm@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu writes:

>Are you concerned with the National League or the American league?
>The national league has to be Tom Glavine without a doubt.  No other  
>pitcher has excelled the way he has in the national league.

You obviously haven't been paying attention to the National League the 
past month.  Glavine's been horrible.  If (when) Maddux wins his 20th, 
he will win Cy Young.
From: bc@campbell.Gwinnett.COM (Bob Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Inaction Jackson
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:18:25 GMT
Organization: Suncrest, Mulberry & Fairlawns Frisbee Club


  In a discussion about Reggie Jackson's post-season performances (vs.
  Barry Bonds') while with the Oakland A's, Edward Fischer writes...

  > Let's see...  He wimped out of his first world series, claiming an
  > injury.  Then in 1973, he went 3-21 with 0 R and 0 RBI in the ALCS.
  > In 1974 he was 2-12 with 0 R and 0 RBI in the ALCS.

    After all the careful research to make your point - which is a
    good point, indeed - do you really think that a baseball player
    is going to "wimp out" and claim an injury?  To do WHAT?  Avoid
    playing in the World Series?

    He broke a leg sliding into home in the playoffs.

 |________________________|__________________________________________|
 | Bob Campbell           |                                          |
 | campbell@Gwinnett.COM  | "Think not of the hours wasted,          |
 |                        |  but of all yet to be tasted."           |
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Citecheck Hell)
Subject: Re: Bonds "choke"?
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 21:55:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.013233.9531@terminator.cc.umich.edu> sweda@css.itd.umich.edu (Sean Sweda) writes:
>In article <48202@shamash.cdc.com> jblixt@mips.COM (jon blixt) writes:
>>First of all, I'm not saying Barry Bonds choked.
>>
>>I do, however, have a fairly simple question.
>>
>>Is there such a thing called choking and does it occur?
>
>of course, a good example would be Larry Bird missing two free-throws
>while trailing by 1 point.  While we certainly can't expect Bird to
>never miss two in a row, given his skill at shooting free-throws, we
>can reasonably expect him to make at least one...

On the other hand, if Larry Bird normally shoots 75% from the FT line,
he'll miss two of two 6.25% of the time even if he shoots the same
under pressure as when not under pressure.

Does that mean he "chokes" 6.25% of the time?  If so, what good is
the verb "choke" if all it indicates is random chance?
-- 
ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu 
also at quibeaux@uchicago.edu | standard disclaimers
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Torre!  Torre!  Torre!
Date: 1 Oct 92 19:38:41 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <13375@texsun.Central.Sun.COM> Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM writes:
>Now only if he could solve the June-July nosedive we might have a
>chance.


Realistically the season comes down to one thing, not being able to beat
the Pirates head to head. they beat us 15 out of 18. If we played .500
against them, we would be right there in the race.
>Seriously,  the play of the younger players like Carr and Brewer have
>made the last month rather interesting.


Yes it has, Brewer has probably won himself a spot on the protected list,
over Canseco, Royer and Woodson. He and Royer are the youngest, but
Brewer has a better glove, walks more, and is a better hitter.

Other Cardinal notes, onetime top prospect John Ericks(P) was released from
AA Arkansas. After sitting out the whole year 2 years ago with elbow surgery,
he is now having "serious shoulder trouble", and the Cards gave up. With
Brad Duvall gone too, that leaves only Brian Jordan remaining from the 
3 #1 picks that year.

Why is Jordan not up now, he's not on the instructional league roster
either, did he get hurt in AAA?

Allen Watson finished the year 14-9 at 3 different levels, he made 2
starts at Louisville to finish out the year. 198 innings pitched for
the year, 186 K's in his first full year. Has a decent shot at making
the show out of spring training.

With Cormier's strong 2nd half, Osborne and Olivares, and Arocha coming
along too, I wouldn't be shocked if Bob Tewksbury isn't protected. At his
age with major arm surgery in his recent past, they may gamble and not
protect him.




Russ Smith
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