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From: thornley@cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Subject: Re: A *Sure* sign of the apocalypse...
Keywords: Email me for entry-level mid fi and hi fi equipment, cheap.
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:34:18 GMT

In article <15668@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Not Just For The Dead Huckabay) writes:
>In a move unparalleled for raw defiance of the odds, Oakland Athletics
>foliage Carney Lansford played shortstop against the Twins last night.
>
>There were no reports of injuries or deaths.
>
Jamie Quirk was also playing third.  Sorta the Oakland equivalent of
Puckett's infield tour or Aguilera as a pinch hitter in the WS last year.

Of course, you feel the As can get away with a few strange things with
Eckersley on the mound.  I figured that if the Eck was going to blow a
save, that would be a good one - one-run lead, Eckersley having pitched
three innings in the last two days, the really good part of the Twins'
lineup coming up, and a left side of the infield that the Mets would sneer at.  

Didn't work that way.  Eckersley faced three batters, all outs.  Carney
actually threw somebody out.  Not fair.

David Thornley

Free nightmare included for Gary Huckabay:  As decide Lansford can play
two positions, sign him to long-term contract.


Xref: sparky rec.sport.baseball:23267 rec.sport.baseball.fantasy:421
From: tmiller@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball,rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: DICKS THAT SHOULD BE IN OTHER GROUPS
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:54:56 GMT
Followup-To: s
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul29.205215.7859@ncsu.edu>, hmn@unity.ncsu.edu (Harry Nicholos) writes:
> In article <92207.044326JIMBO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, JIMBO@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
> |> I'M SO SICK OF SEEING THIS :=) IN A NEWSGROUP DEVOTED TO
> |> THE LOVE OF SPORTS THAT I DEMAND THAT IT CEASES. GOT A PROBLEM ?
> |> SEE ME PERSONALLALY!
> 
> Jimbo,
> 
> Try seeking professional help.





  ...and a spell checker...



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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Not Here" Smith)
Subject: Early Morning thoughts of a Computer Science Grad Students
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:31:37 GMT

I had to proctor a final today so I had plenty of time to look through 
some back issues of the Thang. Here are some observations:

- Did anyone notice that the left side of the Ranger's infield is 
  Thon and Palmer? 

- The Smith All-Name Team for 1992:

C:  Scooter Tucker, Houston           * A catcher named Scooter? Really?

1B: Fred McGriff, The Crime Dog,      * Amazing how Berman can make a dull 
    San Diego                           name interesting
2B: Mark Lemke, Atlanta               * Sounds like someone who got picked
                                        on a lot in grade school
3B: Skeeter Barnes, Detroit           * Just so we occasionally get a throw
                                        from Scooter to Skeeter
SS: Spike Owen, Montreal              * Baseball needs more players named 
                                        Spike.
LF: Candy Maldonado, Toronto          * When I hear the name Candy, I think of
                                        one of those 900 numbers Kirsch uses.
CF: Junior Felix, California          * Can we call him "The Small Cat?"

RF: Ruben Sierra, Texas               * Sounds like a color of paint. One of 
                                        the colors appliances come in.
DH: Chili Davis, Minnesota            * Cold or hot? 

SP: Hipolito Pichardo, Kansas City    * Sounds like a character from one of
                                        Shakespeare's play
BullPen: Acker, Klink, Plunk, Kipper  * Bad relievers seem to have interesting
                                        names.

- Would the Thang be as interesting if they lost Paul White? I doubt it.

- Is TAG worthless and weak or what?

- I generally dislike the agreement that the minor leagues signed with the
  majors, but it has done wonders for the quality of minor league caps.

- Did anyone get the reference of my subject line? Didn't think so.

- If you had to pick a team based on the quotability of their interviews
  who would it include? Andy Van Slyke, Junior Ortiz, Jose Canseco, and
  maybe Hector Villaneuva, but who else?  
-- 
   Lance "Zeppelin" Smith      | "O hateful error, melancholy's stat!
    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)        |  Why dost thou show, to the idle thoughts of
 Prove it! Show us your work!  |  Mediots, the things that are not!
    Huh? What's your point?    |                 _Jose Caesar_, V. iii. 67           
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Cubs stop realignment (at least for now)
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:36:01 GMT

In article <Bruqo8.C3s@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> bharat@cs.uiuc.edu writes:
>A Chicago judge issued an temporary restraining order banning Vincent
>from ordering the Cubs to move to the NL West.  The judge agreed with
>the Cubs in ruling that Vincent exceeded his authority, and he may not
>force the Cubs to move without their consent.
>
>Aside from the fact whether this move would help/hurt the Cubs in the
>immediate future, this has got to be quite a setback fro the Commish.

Not really.  It's a temporary injunction from a federal judge in the local
district.  It has no impact on the lawsuit, and it wouldn't surprised me to
see it overturned on appeal.  If you'll recall, Pete Rose won an injunction
against the commissioner's office from a local federal judge.

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Yankees..Whats UP?
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 22:44:56 GMT

In article <SHIAO.92Jul28165622@foo.ans.net> shiao@ans.net (Dennis Shiao) writes:
>
>The Williams' (Bernie and Gerald) are both fine prospects. Bernie didn't
>even play a full season with the "big club". Granted, his numbers weren't
>great. He's an excellent outfielder with above average speed. They've got to
>give him a chance soon.

Huh???  I grant *nothing*.  Lemme put it this way...  Lofton is
often mentioned as a likely ROY candidate.  Compare Lofton this
year to Williams last year:

		OBP	SLG	SB/CS
Lofton		.323	.326	34/7
Williams	.336	.350	10/5

Now Lofton is 25.  Bernie was 22 last year.  A *three* year
difference.  And Bernie is at *least* as good defensively.  Basically,
he totally blows away Lofton.  You can see why I would have *loved* a
trade of Cooper for Williams?

>There's plenty of talent at the other positions, too, like J.T. Snow
>at 1st. I'm sure a more detailed report can be done. 

I don't know if Snow has enough power to make it.  He looks like he
could hit for a good average, but without walks, power, or speed...

As for Gerald Williams, he is a non-prospect at this point.  He is
already 25, has minimal power, is only hitting .273 in AAA, and has
below-average patience at the plate.  So he has speed.  He still
sucks.  GWilliams languished in A-ball for three and a half years,
before breaking out to post .250/.324/.435 totals in Albany at the end
of 1990, followed by a performance worth a .244/.294/.339 MLE last
year.  He has improved somewhat this year.  Might even be worth a
.300/.380 MLE.  But that's not particularly good.

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Vaughn, Irvine, Valentin...  Where is Wedge?	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
From: a_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: formula for projected runs?
Date: 28 Jul 92 22:09:40 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

Is there a formula for determining how many runs scored a team *should have* 
based on various team totals (extra base hits, steals, walks, etc.)? I've
seen reference many times to a team scoring above or below their projected
total -- I was just wondering how those magazines/net.readers calculate
a team's projected runs.

Brandon Cope
From: mn1s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Scott Neiberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: A *Sure* sign of the apocalypse...
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:06:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Doctoral student, History, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>In a move unparalleled for raw defiance of the odds, Oakland Athletics
>foliage Carney Lansford played shortstop against the Twins last night.


Worse still, Jamie Quirk played third base.
From: kimmel@epx.cis.umn.edu (Eric Kimmel)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: ARTIFICIAL TURF: EMBARASSMENT TO THE GAME
Date: 26 Jul 92 14:49:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Jul26.144909.19243
Organization: University of Minnesota

>> Was me..
In article <1992Jul24.181113.21821@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com (Glenn R. Waugaman) writes:

>>I have NEVER seen a single team practicing catching balls against the dome
>>backdrop.  If they felt it was that big of a deal, they'd be out there
>>working on it.
>
>Well, apparently you haven't looked.  Boston practiced taking fly balls 
>against the backdrop before this past series, and it was duly noted in the 
>papers.  I seriously doubt that they're the only team ever to do this.  It 
>also didn't matter.
>
I was basing my opinion on about 100 games over the past 5 seasons.  A
fairly decent sample.  I stand corrected.

>Other teams build their rosters to their ballpark.  The Twins can too; 
>that's fine.  But what exactly is it about the stadium and the makeup of 
>the Twins' lineup, though, that has caused the Twins to enjoy the largest
>home/road differential while in the Metrodome, by far, of all current
>teams in baseball, beyond the advantage which any other current turf team

I'd like to see some numbers on this.  You may notice that the Twins'
current records are:

Wins Lose  Home   Away
 59   38   29-18  30-20
  .608     .617   .600

Hardly what I'd call a huge home/road differential.

>or power team or speed team has ever enjoyed?  What's the scientific
>explanation, other than the roof/turf combination?  I don't see anything
>else about the park that's particularly unusual, and likewise for the
>Twins' players. 
>
>An honest question: is there any limit to how far the game can be
>distorted from the environs it's played in everywhere else, with a
>justification that it's the team's prerogative to build itself a "home
>field advantage"? 
>
Ok, here's another honest question:  How much can a home park be changed
before all other parks are too foriegn?  It seems to me that if the home
park was that much different from other parks, the home team would have
difficulty playing at all other parks.

>Glenn Waugaman

-Rick
From: spira@panix.com (Greg Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Value of Stats
Date: 25 Jul 92 16:46:18 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Jul25.030944.22822@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> 91287041@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (roger maynard) writes:
>In <1992Jul24.222433.4535@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
>
>>To me, that's the entire key.  All opinions are *not* equally valid.
>>You're perfectly entitled to hold the opinion that Luis Salazar is a more
>>valuable player than Barry Bonds, but if you want to have a prayer of
>>convincing anyone else of that, then you'd better bring some supporting
>>evidence along.  
>
>Forget about Salazar.  Who would you rather have: Bonds or Puckett?  Playing
>for an underdog Kirby has two rings.  Playing for a favourite Bonds has zip.
>Since Puckett and Bonds are relatively equal forces on their respective teams 
>they make a good comparison.  Bonds has an edge in individual statistics.  Is
>he a better player?  The ultimate measure of a player's worth is how much he
>contributes to his team's quest for the WC.  Has Bonds contributed as much
>as Puckett?  I think this is a tough call.  I don't think that statistics are
>going to help too much in deciding this case.  The stats do tell us that they
>are both elite players.  The stats can't tell us which is better because
>the stats cannot give us a value - zero or otherwise - for their "intangible"
>contributions.  
>
The problem in this case, of course, is that Puckett's individual statistics
are much closer to Luis Salazar's individual statistics the last few years 
than Barry Bonds' individual statistics (though, obviously, that won't be
the case this year).  

        RC27 '90    RC27 '91
Puck      5.35        4.78
Salaz     3.57        3.77
Bonds     9.36        8.66

Greg  


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: WHAT SHOULD THE DODGERS DO???
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 92 06:40:32 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico
Distribution: usa

In article <182791@pyramid.pyramid.com> stown@pyramid.COM (Scott Townsend) writes:
>Another thing that I fel that the Dodgers need to do is to give Lasorda
>another job in the organization and take him off the field as manager.
>Tommy has done many great things for the team. But, I feel that he no longer 
>has the ability to manage in the majors. His constant shuffeling of players
>on and off the field is ,to me, an indicationof his uncertainties. He also
>seems to stay with his starting pitchers too long. He also seems to have
>trouble communicating with the superstars. Why didn't Daryl go to a rehab
>assignment in AAA before making his totally unimpressive return after many
>days on the DL. 
>
Because "Darryl" didn't think he NEEDED it.  Because "Darryl" got DEPRESSED
thinking about Albuquerque.  Because "Darryl"...well, you get the idea.  Claire
gave in to his superstar's wishes.  Don't blame this one on Tommy.

>The Dodgers are beginning to make a transition to a much younger and faster
>team.
Davis, Candiotti, Strawberry, Butler, Scioscia...what are Piazza, Goodwin, Young
and Rodriguez doing in the minors??  Answer: trying to give Bill Russell a shot
at a winning club.  Russell will manage in LA, in '93 or (more likely) '94.

 They need a good manager who is not resting on the past, but is hungry
>for some championships. Replacing Lasorda at the end of this season would
>be a smart move for the team to make.

I really don't think '93 is the year, realignment nonwithstanding.  Letting
Lasorda go before he retires after '93 (read: fired) is not a 'Dodger Blue'
move.  If Claire is serious about upholding the Dodger tradition (and from all
signs, that seems to be the case, after the Yankee-style moves of the past few
years), then Lasorda should be allowed to retire in peace.  Nothing Russell 
would do next year would solve a thing. (Besides, I haven't seen a d**n thing 
which suggests to me that Russell can handle a pitching staff.)


-- 
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From: sauder@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (EY Sauder clyde jeffr (410) 290-6000)
Subject: Re: Red Sox - The long term
Summary: idiotic statements about Baltimore Orioles
Reply-To: sauder@aplcen (Jeff Sauder)
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 19:35:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.203655.3710@auto-trol.com> mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles) writes:
>>
>>There is (or was) supposedly interest in Hesketh.  He's not going to
>>save a team, but the Orioles could use him.  Hesketh is better than
>>Mesa, Milacki, and Storm Davis.
>
>This is true.  I always forget they still call it "baseball" in Baltimore.
>Considering the people they have on the mound there, *I* might be able to start
>for the Orioles...
>
...
>
>Matt
>-- 
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>                                 {...}ncar!ico!auto-trol!mattel
>Auto-trol Technology 12500 N Washington Denver, CO 80241-2404 (303)252-2874

Last Friday night, Mike Musina almost pitched a perfect game.  He retired
the first twelve batters, gave up a walk, got another out, gave up a
double, and then proceeded to retire the next fourteen batters.  One hit!

The next night Ben McDonald gave up only two hits.  Sunday, the Orioles
pitched a three-hitter.  Monday, Storm Davis came off the disabled list
and pitched really well for 4+ innings.  And last night, practically
every pitcher on the staff pitched and they only gave up two runs over
thirteen innings.

Which of the Oriole pitchers is the screw-up?  They traded Mesa and optioned
Milacki to Rochester.  Baltimore's doing well and their pitching has been
one of the biggest reasons.

Jeff Sauder    sauder@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: Re: YEEEESSSSS!!!!!
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:57:06 GMT

In article 711821279@spssig, adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb) writes:
>
>
>>After watching the Cubs put together a pitching clinic on the Reds 1-0,
>Belcher didn't exactly do to bad, either.  The only run was a home run by
>ex-Red Billy Hatcher.  A great pitchers' duel.

Uh, wait. Don't you mean Kal Daniels? BTW, Hatcher was also a former Cub.
And, yes, the Reds did an excellent job of holding down the Cubs last
night, but the Reds had their chances and, IMO, should've pushed some
runs across a bunch of middle relievers. Cubs pitching was excellent,
but the Reds offense did them a favor as well.

>>Life is good again in Chicago.
>I wouldn't get my hopes up...
>

That last line should've had a smiley face, so here it is:    :)

--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)
From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Mon, Jul 27th, 1992
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:12:52 GMT
Organization: Factors of Ys, Inc.

In article <1992Jul29.215400.4939@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:

>In article <3878@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> dtate+@pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:

>>	1. Morris is clairvoyant, and knows when his team is going to 
>>	   score 8 runs in the late innings to bail him out?

>>	2. Morris has a voodoo ability to improve the Jays' offensive
>>	   performance when he needs it?

>>	3. Morris's luck is really a telekinetic subconscious aura, and
>>	   can be expected to persist in pretty much its present form?

>Maybe he is just lucky, but the bottom line is that he wins a lot of
>games. 

No.  The bottom line is that his *team* has managed to win a lot of games,
in spite of his mediocre pitching.  If you step on my foot, and I manage to
win the marathon anyway, it's absurd to say that I won *because* you stepped
on my foot.  Unless you want to say that Morris's bogus pitching inspires his
teammates to greater achievements than they would have made.  Given that
nobody else's bogus pitching does that for them, it doesn't seem plausible.

>Without him, the Twinkies wouldn't have won it all last year 

Obviously this depends on who they had in his place.  If they'd had (say)
Kevin Appier in his place, they'd have cruised hom with no competition.

>and the Jays probably wouldn't be doing as well as they are this year.

No, they'd probably be doing exactly the same.  It doesn't much matter *who*
is pitching when you score that many runs in the game.  See Davis, Storm.

>Regardless of how "lucky" he is, I'm sure any team in the pennant race
>would be happier than hell to have him.

"Happier than Hell" is not hard to achieve.  Most teams would be glad to have
another average-or-better starter.  Depending, of course, on what they had to
give up for him.  If you'd rather have Morris than a *good* pitcher, then 
that's your problem.

>And, no I don't want to start a big diccussion about it, but stats are
>overrated! 

Great.  "I don't want to actually *defend* my silly opinion, but yours is
wrong."

Actually, depending on how you interpret the word "stats", I'd agree with you.
Stats are overrated.  Analysis is underrated.

(For that matter, words are overrated, too.  I mean, you can prove *anything*
 with words, right?)


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From: jerry@bunker.shel.isc-br.com (Gerald J. Lanza)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cone threw how many pitches?
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:46:40 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company (Shelton, CT)

|>But how many of them were throwing 150 pitches in one *game*?  I could
|>easily play hockey an hour and a half a day, every day of the week (if
|>I could afford the ice time).  But playing 4 hours every Sunday would
|>absolutely *kill* me.
|>
***********************************************************************
|>Besides, the game was different then.  Pitchers didn't go all out
|>on every pitch.  Probably less stressful.
***********************************************************************

	Now that's a scientific statement if I ever saw one. May I ask
	how one arrives at the conclusion that the game was less
	stressful for pitcher's back then ?

	The fact of the matter is that pitcher's pitched every fourth
	game, and therefore had one less day of rest between games. I
	could throw out my own unscientific opinion that today's 
	crop of pitchers have grown up in a less demanding time with
	mom's chauffering them around to uniformed little league games.
	
	The reason for today's pitcher's apparent fraility may be due
	to the softer life style to which we all have become accustomed.

	P.S. Check out some of Nolan Ryan's pitch counts in the past.
	     I believe he has thrown well over 200 pitches in games.