From: magnum@cs.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: flushing out queue for "dealing with police officer"
Date: 18 Dec 92 13:36:02 GMT


  From:           scylax!tiglath@uunet.UU.NET
  Subject:        Re: dealing with a police officer
  Organization:   ScylaxCorp
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  rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com writes:
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  #From: rigg@ssdt-tempe.sps.mot.com (Dana Rigg)
  #Newsgroups: rec.guns
  #Subject: Re: dealing with a police officer
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  #Date: 17 Dec 92 12:19:44 GMT
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  ##My brother once followed a guy for 5 blocks, waiting for him to 
  ##screw up.  The guy apparently saw him following so he didn't do
  ##anything wrong.  When my brother got tired of waiting, he pulled
  ##him over anyway.  Why?  The guy yelled obcenities at a fellow
  ##officer who was directing traffic (a thoroughly thankless job
  ##if you ask me).  The result?  The guy recieved a citation for
  ##"unnecessary noise from a motorized vehicle." :-)  He was extremely
  ##belligerent during the whole process, which simply made my
  ##brother feel that much better about writing the ticket.
  #
  #I received a rather abusive email response regarding this story.
  #Since it is possible that the response was a result of misunderstanding
  #rather than simply a case of blind hatred for officers (the gentleman
  #indicated that the world would be better off if someone put a bullet
  #in my brothers chest), I would like to clear something up.
  #
  #My brother was following the guy BECAUSE he yelled obcenities.  He
  #was hoping the guy would do something else for which he could be
  #cited.  When he did not, my brother satisfied himself with a single
  #citation.
  #
  #The point I was trying to make is that politeness, (or at least the
  #lack of hostility) may spare you grief in the end.  This is not only
  #true with police officers, but with anybody.  Hostility will only be
  #met with hostility (it's the HUMAN not POLICE condition).  Personally,
  #I think the guy my brother cited was an -BLEEP- and recieved a just
  #reward.
  #
  #For those of you still reading, I apologize for the morality lesson.
  #
  #For future reference, contradictory opinions are accepted, if
  #grudgingly :-), abuse is not.  If you can not send a polite statement
  #of your views (you know who you are), don't bother sending anything.
  #I'll simply slam-dunk it in the bit-bucket and add you to my kill file.
  
  Since this is a free country I can SAY, or yell whatever I want, so can he
  and you, without having to be stalked by police because of it.  He who yells
  obcenities or insults loudly, deserves the consideration given to an 
  ill-mannered person.  Rude people should be just ignored with disdain.  If 
  they become a threat shoot them if you must, but as long as they confine 
  their unpleasantness to verbal action, it is wrong to escalate your response. 
  What your brother did was an abuse of power and showed petty mindedness. 
  He probably fell prey to one of the worst male defects: overaggresiveness.
  
  The other day while walking in a populous part of town with my wife, 
  we went by a young man who was begging.  Because we took little notice
  of him he blurted out some obcenities directed to my wife.  I felt my
  blood boil and I was ready to waste him, but, realising I was being victim of
  the raging male hormonal imbalance that propel men to violence and makes
  them less than optimal for leadership of a modern state, I calmed myself 
  down and decided to ignore the jerk.  My control was not complete because I 
  could not help backing up and saying to him with a kind smile that losers 
  like him have little offensive power and that I hoped he froze to death in 
  the gutter this winter.
  
  After a while I felt as pleased as if I had choked the little shit.  
  Although I must recognize that in the first seconds nothing but shedding 
  his blood seemed adequate.
  
  The little scum had the right to say what he wanted and if I had hit him I 
  would have been at fault, and would have lost legally.  Friends suggested
  "a hard slap in the face, aimed at humiliating rather than harming", or 
  "a spit in the face" would do,  but I still think that a verbal response is 
  as far as I could go without compromising myself.
  



  From:           jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
  Subject:        Re: dealing with a police officer
  Organization:   Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
  Message-Id:     <y7arvqh@dixie.com>
  
  pnr0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PAUL N. RITTER) writes:
  
  ##During my only stop since getting a CCW, before I came to a halt,
  ##I simply put my pistol in a secret compartment behind the seat.
  ##Assuming you're not stupid enough to allow a cop to search your car
  ##without a warrant, the cop would have no legal way of finding the gun.
  
  #      YOU'RE WRONG!!!!
  #What you forgot to mention is that you have the right to deny a search of your
  #vehicle, but the police have the right to impound your vehicle until they can
  #get the warrant (provided that they have sufficient probable cause) and then
  #tear it apart. Your "hidden compartment" would be found. They can take as much
  #time searching you vehicle as they need/want.
  #               Trust me on this.....
  #               --Paul
  
  No, I'm not going to trust you on this and no I am not wrong.  I am quite
  aware of how far cops are allowed to push the Constitution these days.
  In the state of Georgia and therefore in my case, my CCW makes my gun
  in the car legal.  Read that.  L-E-G-A-L.  What I am defending myself
  against are those pigs such as work for the Cobb County Police who
  directly violate GA's CCW law and confiscate LEGALLY CARRIED weapons.
  This is not hearsay.  Our state NRA org was preparing to file suit
  against Cobb County when an internal dispute split the organization and
  gutted the treasury.  We had a victim and we had two Cobb county 
  police ready to testify as to their instructions from Chief Hightower.
  I am also defending myself against those pigs who take guns they 
  like for their own use.  As an ex-field deputy, I've head full time
  cops bragging about such thefts.
  
  In the context of a law abiding CCW'd citizen being stopped for a traffic
  bust, there is no probable cause for anything more than a ticket.  
  Unless of course, you believe that cops should arbitrarily be allowed
  to search cars for the good of society or for whatever they can 
  steal, er, confiscate for their department.  Absent probable cause and 
  absent consent from me, you will NOT legally search my car.  Yes you can 
  inconvenience me by holding my car for a period of time.  But you might 
  also have to confront the fact that your stop was taped and you got 
  caught lying.  
  
  John
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