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From: anvil@news.duc.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: SCA inquiry???
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:15:45 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, AL

I am not very familar with the SCA. But there seems to be more to it than
swords and shields. Could someone give me some information about your orgina
zation. Hstory of it...etc.
Thanks:
John Sugg
Yellow Hammer Forge
Waverly,Alabama USA
From: leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Viking Tents (Was: Re: Pennsic Land Allotment)
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:36:48 GMT
Organization: Tealach Rois Dubh

Greetings to the Rialto from Siobhan!  Angharad writes:
>What good news.  Our library doesn't carry this book.  Is the portrayal
>a modern one, or is it a period picture, and if so, could you tell me
>where it originates, so that I can try to track it down by other means?

It is a modern portrayal based on reconstructed artifacts, as far as I
know.  I'll go home to it tonight and find out for certain what basis
they have for the reconstruction.

I didn't get my copy of THE VIKING at a library, I found it in a used
bookstore.  It really is a coffee-table book, high, deep, and wide.
But I recommend it highly.  Wonderful stuff.  First place I ever saw a
reconstruction of the warp-weighted loom, and I built mine based on the
picture.

Slainte!
	- Siobhan

----------------
Leigh Ann Hussey 		leighann@sybase.com
Siobhan ni hEodhusa, ORL, OGB, etc.
Argent, a pale vert, surmounted in base by a lion dormant or, on a chief
wavy vert an Irish harp or.
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From: rday@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E Day)
Subject: Re: History vs. dreams (Was: consort gender)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:45:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.134414.23156@access.digex.com> thom@access.digex.com (The
Elf-Lad) writes:
>
>Now, I find it interesting that Michelangelo and Jean d'Arc are
>brought up, by another poster, in support of a "dream" that many
>would like to see exclude gay people and pagans.

Is there a movement to exclude gays & pagans?

I thought that we were talking about who sits beside you on the throne, not who
you go to bed with.

Also, I have known a few pagan rulers, their religous beliefs made no 
difference to anyone.

Is there something different going on out there?

-
Otto
-- 
If the price that I must pay to obtain my *  Robert E. Day/Syr Otto von    *
freedom, is to acknowledge that the Gov-  *  Schwartzkatz, Shire Mugmort   *
ernmet was granted the power to infringe  *  Barony Middle Marches,        *
on them, then I am not free. Paul Anderson*  Middle Kingdom                *
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From: aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: Prince of Thieves wrongos
Organization: University of Toronto -- Hart House
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:20:46 GMT

In article <199209080025.AA12996@meryl.csd.uu.se> vader@meryl.csd.uu.se ("]ke Eldberg") writes:

>The truth is, I just thought it was a bad film, and I derive perverse
>pleasure from finding faults in it. That is the point... 

Oh, you mean SPORT?  Ah, that's a good reason to take pokes at a movie.
Just to make an undeserving flick twitch!  <Nusbacher rubs his hands together
with relish, then has to go and wash them, lest the relish get into his
keyboard>

>As to Brian
>Blessed and Sean Connery (each appearing for about 1 minute), they
>hardly outweigh Kevin Costner and several other badly cast characters.
>(Bletch!)

I challenge you to weigh any two actors against Brian Blessed!

>Well, it would have been so much BETTER and not much harder to do,
>to make the attackers a truly superior force. As it is, the knight
>just rides up to them and stops. Looks ridiculous.

What they really needed was two hundred Scottish foot with spears!

Ever sat with a bunch of middle-aged Scadians and watched _Knight Riders_
while pointing out who's supposed to represent which personality from
Pennsic X?

Aryk Nusbacher
From: shick@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (steve hick)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Iron chicken (was Re: bunny round ...)
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:16:58 GMT
Reply-To: shick@europa.eng.gtefsd.com (steve hick)
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems

>	Interesting.  If I've correctly interpreted your description of the
>stance, I believe it is usually known in these parts as a "hanging guard"
>(presumably because the sword hangs, tip down, from the hand).  Why chicken?
>Is the hilt of the sword thought to resemble a chicken's comb?

Interesting enough, the 'hanging guard' isn't, it is instead a varient of either high prime or high quinte.  The hanging 
guard (as a term used in fencing ca 1700) was a different guard, the hand high, with point towards the ground.

Strykar
From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Wanted: Medieval Music
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 22:28:28

 TC> in the barn once or twice.  In doing so I saw two books of medieval
 TC> dance music, one blue and one yellow, which are apparently sold by a
 TC> member of the SCA.  I am dying to get my hands on copies of these --
The blue book may well be "Lord Longwind's......", which is available 
 from Raymond's Quiet Press.  At least, my copy has a blue cover, and 
 that's where I got it.
 (sorry not to e-mail, but you didn't quote your address, and we gate 
   funny)
 I don't have an address, but they're located in Albuquerque, and they 
 advertise regularly in TI.
     Gwenllian Cwmystwyth ferch Morfudd
         Steppes, Ansteorra

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From: erd@kumiss.cmhnet.org (Ethan Dicks)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Professional Cooks (was Re:  Pennsic Land Allocation)
Date: 11 Sep 92 06:01:27 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Sep8.223357.13248@access.digex.com> corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra) writes:
>In article <Bu9z47.2yI@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> aryk@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (A.J.S. Nusbacher) writes:
>
>I wrote that the SCA couldn't hire history teachers.
>
>Aryk answers;
>
>>Why not?  There are SCA groups that hire professional chefs to cook their 
>>feasts, and who better to teach history than a teacher of history?
>
>I've never heard of an SCA group hiring professional cooks. I'm not disputing
>you, I've just never heard of such a thing. 

In Tirnewydd, we used to hold the Fall event, called "Red Dragon", at
the Ohio Dominican College, located between Downtown Columbus and the
Airport.  We have not used this site for several years.  The last
event (with feast) I recall being held at the site was a crown-tourney
that Duke Sir Eliahu ben Itzak won (his first).  As a requirement
of using the dining hall, we had to use the union cooks.  The feast was
not nearly as good as most I have been to (I have been to one or two
that were worse).  It is a shame, as the dining hall was most splendid,
being paneled in hard-wood and with a choir-loft on one end which was
used as a performance platform for a period brass quartet (made up of
locals).  Overall, the style reminds me much of the 14th-15th c. dining
halls I have seen in colleges at Oxford University (New College, for
one).

If I have in any way mis-recalled any of the events I have described,
there are others (notable Sir Otto von Schwartzkatz) who can correct
my inaccuracies.  It was years ago; I was not directly involved with
the event; my memory is not perfect.

Just my two pence,
Eadred AEthellstan

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From: christer@sue.komunity.se (Christer Romson)
Subject: SCA Digest V5 #613
X-Unparsable-Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 12: 27 MET DST
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 10:53:07 GMT

Ioseph:
> Frankly, folks, I'll keep singing what I feel the particular group likes.
> If they want to hear "Born in the SCA," that's fine with me. If they want
> to hear "My Love, My Love" (a period-like song of my composition), even
> better. There is a place and a time for BOTH types.

What do you do when a sub-group don't want to hear what another sub-group
wants to hear? I don't think anyone has a problem with OOP music performed
if noone present is bothered by OOP music. Mayby I'm naive.
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From: Tim@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Tim)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Wicca and the SCA
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 09:27:55

 EO> does anybody know much about
 EO> Byzantine North Africa, just to name one possibility?

 Was Christian until the Vandals, then Arian except during the brief period
 when Justinian's generals were kicking their butts, then Muslim. You can
 decide for yourself whether this trend represents progress, or what....

 I doubt seriously if most of the peasantry were any more "Christian" in
 the sense we would understand it than the equivalent social class in Latin
 America; researching the latter would probably give you a real good
 understanding of the syncretism at work there.

    Tadhg, Obelisk

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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Misunderstandings
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:36:40 GMT

My Lords and Ladies of the Rialto greetings from Corun.

As so often happens on a medium where eye contact and body language are
completely lacking misunderstandings occur. Such is the case in a pair 
of missives between myself and Master Arval. I have received private email
from Arval and one staunch defender of his, and another from someone who
was concerned that a major flamefest was about to occur. In order to stem
the tide of more inquiries into this matter, let me tell you that Arval
and I have been in conversation and the misunderstandings have been cleared
up. I will not go into detail as it is not pertinent. I will thank those
who thought well enough to consult with us privately, and I appreciate
your efforts, your candor, and your consideration. Rest assured that Arval
and I have made nice, which is as it should be. Thank you again.

In service,

Corun
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From: carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Alexander of Kiev (mka Carl Alexander))
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: bunny round and other weird words
Date: 5 Sep 92 13:32:16 GMT
Organization: The Rialto

Angharad ver' Rhuawn writes:
>
>In article <23008@sybase.sybase.com> leighann@sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey) writes:
>>Branwen writes:
>>>
>>>A bunny round is actually a short Spanish half-round....
>>
>>Ha!  When *I* first saw that shield, 7 or 8 years agone, they were
>>calling it a "Wankel" -- as in the shape of the rotary engine...
>
>Regionalisms keep surprising me!  Around here, a wankel is a small triangle,
>often somewhat rounded in the points, the sideds, or both, but always a
>triangle and just about always equilateral.
 
I don't think this is a matter of regionalisms; I think either Leigh Ann's 
source was using the wrong word, or she misunderstood Branwen's definition.
A Wankle is,  of course, rotary-engine shaped; sort of a three-axis 
equilateral ellipse:  gently curved sides, sharply curved corners, each 
of the corners (and each of the sides) identical; the bunny-round is a 
heater with a square top and a semi-circular bottom.  Two entirely 
different shapes.
 
Alexander of Kiev                       Carolingia, East

Carl Alexander                          Harvard Square, Cambridge, Mass.
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu 
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From: carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Alexander of Kiev (mka Carl Alexander))
Subject: Re: Wicca and the SCA
Organization: The Rialto
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 07:26:50 GMT

Tadhg writes [I'm not sure who "D" is]:
 
> D> My original design for my arms, I will not bore you with the
> D> blazon (if I could even remember it), centered around a rack of stags
> D> horns and a 'plate', or full moon. It was refused for being to
> D> blatantly 'Pagan'. I do not think I need make any more comment than
> D> that.
>
> Sure you do . . . you need to tell me who "refused" it, so
> I can explain to them How Things Are Supposed To Work.
>
> First, look up the registered arms of Duke Sir Talymar gan y Llwyn and
> Duchess Eislinn the Patient, for some examples of how to register armory
> using "pagan" symbolism.
> 
> Next, resubmit; and, if necessary, appeal. Tell 'em Tadhg sent you....
>
>    Tadhg, Obelisk Herald, Hanaper Herald Extraordinary, and most recent
>    former Star Principal Herald
>
Tadhg is, of course, entirely correct here:  your local herald 
blew it.  This is, unfortunately, an all too common type of 
problem:  local heralds frequently don't know all that much about 
heraldry; all too often much of what they do know is wrong 
(especially in the context of SCA heraldry); and sometimes they
exacerbate the situation by being blithely unaware of their own 
ignorance.  
 
Just for reference:
 
Eislinn the Patient (Device):  Sable, a doe at gaze guardant 
argent atop a sun Or.
 
Talymar gan y Llwyn (Badge):  Sable, a stag's head 
couped between in pale a plate within the stag's attire and 
a crescent argent.
 
Talymar gan y Llwyn (Device):  Sable, a stag trippant 
to sinister argent, between its antlers a bezant, in sinister 
base an increscent argent.
 
Alexander of Kiev                       Carolingia, East

Carl Alexander                          Harvard Square, Cambridge, Mass.
carl@silver.lcs.mit.edu 
 
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re:  Pennsic costs--what is really needed?
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:59:13 GMT

it was posted that the total Autocrat's budget this year at Pennsic
was about $30,000.  This appears to be a reasonable figure.

In thinking about this, it occured to me that one way to determine
what ought to come out of such a budget (Golf Carts come to
mind--their  number, not the actual need for *some*) might be amenable
to refusing supplying them to those who can't come up with *very*good*
resons for having tehm available and seeing the insistent folks will
pay for them out of their own pockets.  Sort of a 'you can have one
only if *you* pay for it' scheme.  How many people would then find
the cart wasn't nearly as neccesary as they'd claimed?

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
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Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
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From: lecin@pilot.njin.NET ("Matthew J. Lecin")
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: George Romero, Knight Riders
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:49:24 GMT
Organization: The Internet

I mentioned the MSR in a previous message with this subject.  The MSR, which I
believe is short for Medieval Studies and Restoration, AKA the Kingdom of Acre.
It is local to the greater N.Y.C. metro-area - my apologies if the abbreviation
perplexed anyone.  

Mitchell MacBain, Marwick, East.

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From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
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Subject: Prince of Thieves Wrongos
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1992 00:19:24 -0500

Balderik (cav@bnr.ca (Rick Cavasin)) points out:

 B> When Robin is crossing a stream, there is a shot which
 B> allows one to see that his boots have HEELS.

So when did boots start to have heels?

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From: UCCXDEM <UCCXDEM@MVS.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Moneyer's Guild
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:03:00 GMT

Greetings,
I interested in minting coinage. I remember someone posting to that
topic a few weeks ago. If anyone has the original poster's e-mail
address, could they send a message to me. Thanks in advance,
                                          Marke
From: PA142548@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Apology of My Own
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:57:15 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee

In article <3439@creatures.cs.vt.edu> jtn@nutter.cs.vt.edu (Terry Nutter) writes:
>Greetings to all, from Angharad ver' Rhuawn.  T. Archer quotes a posting of
>mine, and comments,
>
>>Please don't adopt a patronizing tone.
>
>I'm sorry that my tone upset you.  It was not intended as patronizing.  As I

[snip]

Thank you.  I would like to apologise and retract my own over-reaction.

The tone I read reminded me of a mother asking two children why they couldn'
t get along, and I reacted accordingly.

Respectfully,

T. Archer

(Pay no attention to the automated signature behind the curtain.)
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University of Tennessee
"Vote Dempublican, it's easier than thinking." -- Unknown
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From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: pentacles on arms
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:16:04 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Sep10.205934.21922@watson.ibm.com> mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:

>Medieval parents named their children after literary characters, at least
>at some times and places.  In the generation following the composition of
>The Song of Roland, "Roland" and "Oliver" became two of the most common
>names among the French nobility.  Arthur of Britanny was consciously named
>after King Arthur.

	Yup, from what I read, the name 'Elaine' was pretty much unknown
in England till Morte de Arthur was published in 1485, after which it suddenly
became very popular. So my 'parents' had good taste in literature (but poor
spelling ;)
		
				-Ilaine
			

-- 
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Ilaine de Cameron  | 	Before you can spin the wool, you need to comb it.
                   | 	Use the combs with the 5 rows of 6" razor sharp spikes.
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From: mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman)
Subject: Jewish heraldic symbolism (was Re: Arrow number Two)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:01:18 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center

Greetings from Arval!   Aryk wrote:

> Blatantly religious imagery is in constant use in SCA heraldry, including
> a mind-boggling number of molets of six points registered by Jews (in a
> notable absence of more typically mediaeval Jewish armorial elements)...

I think the number of mullets of six registered for the purpose of
proclaiming Jewish beliefs is rather lower than you think.  However, your
second point is dead-on: The use of the Mogen David as a Jewish symbol is a
modern development.  An excellent study of the use of heraldry by medieval
Jews was written by Lord Eleazar ha-Levi and published in the Known World
Heraldic Symposium proceedings (Caid, 1989).  If you would like to get that
paper, I can put you in contact with the right people.

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Arval Benicoeur                                       mittle@watson.ibm.com
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From: schuldy@progress.COM (Mark Schuldenfrei)
Subject: Re: Arrow number Two ...
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:41:42 GMT

I'll be damned.  Tadhg had a damn good idea.

                                                                  good
  armory is "picking something easily recongnizable" that then comes to mean
  whatever you make it mean. This is the route that the Blue Feather folks
  have chosen (they don't, for example, go around trying to jawbone the
  College of Arms into allowing the registration of, say, pink triangles),
  and I applaud them for it.

That's it!  Good Pagan Gentles, pick a symbol, hopefully one that is
not already in use in the SCA, and adopt is a symbol for SCAdian's
who practice Paganism.  Put it on your armory, maybe name a newsletter
after it, and work together.

Then, maybe we could do some medieval stuff, instead of yacking
about this.

	Tibor
--
Mark Schuldenfrei (schuldy@progress.com)
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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Subject: Re: Western Crown List (was Re: Inspiration)
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:22:59 GMT

In article <2462@tymix.Tymnet.COM> jschmidt@oolong.Tymnet.COM (John Schmidt) writes:
>Yes, there are only 100 of us, but we're all REALLY GOOD.  Of course, that`s
>why we lose so well at Caid/West, and have to sucker the An Tirians deep into
>our territory to beat them...but fighter for fighter, we are the best.  I
>reference Dorothea's excellent song, posted earlier.

I wonder how many Easterners and Midrealmers we could get to come out
and fight on *real* Western land--once the Land Fund buys some?

>So, remember, there are only 100 of us, but we're all either Dukes or unknown
>Viscounts or hot unbelts...or recent emigres from other kingdoms.

Who was it posted the joke about "What do you call a Western fighter?"
and the answer was "Your Excellency."?

>To those who helped me with my foolish start: (Catrin! I got Chambers! Wow!) I 
>swore (as Sir Tor) an oath of foolity to the Queen this weekend.  Much amusement
>will follow.  My buffet was a bit unstandard...a fundamental change, as it were.

And here I thought the King was just bringing you to heel. . .  Given
one of the local popular songs, you should be glad you didn't get
*that* buffet in the usual place.

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
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Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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