HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: communication (was Re: The S & M debate)
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:11:13 GMT

In article <01010066.elgli2@unicorn.resun.com> chris@unicorn.resun.com writes:
>
>I like for my lover to be interested in all of me, not just my body. 
>And I'd like the chance to get to know the mind and personality that go
>with their body.  This is something that I like about the news net.  I
>am meeting people whom I have to judge by what they write, not by how
>they look, and who have to do the same with me.  

And I like my lover to be interested in my body and my sexuality, not just
my mind or intellect.  I've fallen for people that seemed very squeamish
about me as sexual being.  And although they claimed to love me, I felt
they were turned off by either my body, or my approach to sex.  This
made me feel real, real, bad.

>Chris Von Hendy            "If we shadows have offended,
>Escondido, California       Think but this, and all is mended,
>ncr-sd!blkhole!chris  or    That you have but slumbered here,
>chris@unicorn.resun.com     While these visions did appear." Puck
>


-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: jcarroll@bach.udel.edu (Royal J Carroll)
Subject: Re: Hello...[grin]
Keywords: hello...
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:35:36 GMT

Hi Dawn!  Welcome to the group!

<pounce> <SLURP!>  *HUG*

-James

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From: lorico@boomboom.Eng.Sun.COM (Lori Cotton)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: My first Triangle
Date: 1 Oct 1992 16:12:53 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: boomboom

I remember when I bought my first pink triangle.  It was at the L.A. Pride
Festival.  It's an earring and I wear it all of the time.  Here at work I
get the "nice earring" with a wink, then I get the "nice earring, do you know
what that means?"  I also wear a button when Stacy and I go out that says
"I'm with her" on top of a pink triangle.

I also enjoy some of the looks and smiles I get walking down the Westside  
Pavillion!

BTW, I ordered my t-shirts from H.E.R.M.P. (thanx John for the info!).  I'LL
let y'all know how they look!

Oh and *hugs* *flirt* *snuggle* to all ;^)


--
lori.cotton@west.Sun.COM	|   "If I can't be trusted with a choice, then
SunSoft, Inc.			|    how can I be trusted with a child."
Los Angeles, CA			|	Source -- Bumper Sticker
From: cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: State Sanctioned Suicide
Date: 1 Oct 92 00:32:38 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620


 bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies) writes:

> 'dulci et decorum est, pro patria mori' (I think)
> 
> 'It is sweet and fitting to die for one's country'
> 
> (bleagh!) Quoted in Sassoon, I believe... or maybe Owen.
> (This is just to prove that I had a Real Education (tm) just like
> Colin and Tanaqui...:)

Mocked, rather than quoted. And from my "real education", I recall the first
word as "dulce" |-)

Owen pointed out that it wasn't really very sweet or honourable to die choking
in a gas attack in world war ii because of a clapped-out Latin phrase. "Nos
morituri..." is more like it, with its implications of being slaves to a higher
power, one's life to be expended on entertaining such.

Tanaqui

"They spoke of rights, and freedom, and peace, and the people's reign
 And the squires, our masters, bade us fight, and scorned us never again...
 In foam and flame at Trafalgar, on Albuera plains                      G.K.C.
 We did and died like lions, to keep ourselves in chains"  _The Secret People_ 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rhialto@falu.sneakernet (Olaf Seibert)
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Organization: Olaf's Own Amiga
X-Newsreader: Ann 0.8m
	<pdzqbc5n@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:32:07 GMT

In article <pdzqbc5n@cck.coventry.ac.uk>,
	idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
[seeing and snuggling and food-smearing someone does not *imply* having
 sex with them]

>(Parenthetically, I wonder what the 'moral' status of incorporating real
>people into sexual fantasy without obtaining their consent is.  Or have
>I just caught the Ciaranoid introspectivity?)

Fantasising about someone can indeed fall into the same category of things
that don't imply you "need" to go "further". I would be lieing if I denied
ever fantasising about people without them knowing it. I even had the
weirdest dream lately which included someone on this newsgroup, but I don't
really have the intention of telling them. Why? I (think I) know the
difference between fantasy and reality. I have no intentions of taking the
fantasy to reality. I think that this is okay as long as I keep all of this
to myself, and generally don't let it influence my dealing with those
persons. Of course I may choose to tell them about it, but not with the
expectation that this somehow will allow me to take more liberty.

I mentioned dreams; dreams are related to fantasies but they are not the
same, as they are not formed conciously. I don't thing one can apply all
the same criteria to them as to fantasies (a most simplisic reason being
that many dreams cannot be realised), but the general idea will be the
same.

>				Kay

--
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert  B4f+-t-w--g+k+(+)svmrp+
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: *grin*
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:37:03 GMT


eleanor.j.evans wrote:
> 
> *Grin* *grin* *grin* *giggle* *BLUSH*.
> :-) :-) :-) :-) :-).
> 
> Go ahead, ask me about last night--I dare ya!!
> *beam*

Oh, that explains all the noise I heard last night...
you sure are a loud one. ;) ;)


Congrats,

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----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40
From: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd)
Subject: Re: female v. male bisexuals.
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 23:09:04 GMT

iw@tosser.Rational.COM (Sults) writes:
: The best thing is to avoid "practice" and go for alot of explicit
: communication.  Makes great foreplay too!  Followed by a lot of
: exploration.

Resoundlingly seconded.  For the shy ones amongst us, it's worth noting 
the kind of freedom and permission that grows from such talk.  It may be
tough to start it, but the rewards can be huge.  Knowing what is wanted
from me, what the limits (of desire and permission) are, is the biggest
problem I encounter in physical intimacy these days, esp. as the
distinctions between lovers and good friends dissolves in my polyamorous
world.  Talking is *the* best way to deal with this.  

Even if you can't relate to that, such talk tends to smooth the path to
safer sex, if you still havent got that figured.  There's no longer
"that condom moment" problem when you've made talk part of your sexual
activity.

Mike, who hopes his belief in talk as a panacea isn't making him
patronising.
-- 
Mike Lloyd, B0/1 h- f- t w- c g+ k+ s m- e? |"Bloody nose and burning eyes
      Retro-hippy, music nut, bi and        | Raised in laughter to the skies"
          backrubber of devotion            |     - Bruce Cockburn
 ....."I suffer from internalized homophonophobia"....."Their, they're".....
From: bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Socratic silliness (was Re: Multiple Orientations?)
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:10:59 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <1992Sep29.063024.5478@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:


>calling them female).  He thought I was *incorrigible*.  {Aside:
>I don't think he ever figured out that the kitchen was occupied
>by a gang of >bisexuals< that night after the Pear Tree :-)}

Just as well he didn't have the urge for a cup of coffee, then....


>I think of Shakespeare, lauded beyond all proportion for
>what appear to be nationalistic reasons (I once heard Brian
>Gould, British MP, call him "The greatest genius who ever lived"
>on the BBC.  Poppycock, I say!).

I have to say that 'overrated' is the word that comes to mind. Now, I
_do_ enjoy Shakespeare, but there are many authors who I find just as
fulfilling, and anyway, I tend to go for _books_ not authors. At the
moment I'm rereading 'Waterland' prior to seeing the film. Stonkingly
WONDERFUL book!

>And what I particularly resent is that echo of a Latin phrase I
>dimly remember and will probably butcher, along the lines of
>"dulcia et decorum est, pro patria mori".  The correct 
>consonants have slipped away (Colin? Help?) but the burned-in
>memory of the unforgivable suggestion that it is somehow right,
>proper, nay glorious, to die for one's country, lives on.

'dulci et decorum est, pro patria mori' (I think)

'It is sweet and fitting to die for one's country'

(bleagh!) Quoted in Sassoon, I believe... or maybe Owen.
(This is just to prove that I had a Real Education (tm) just like
Colin and Tanaqui...:)

>Mike, trying not to fall off his soap-box

My favourite person... if he's posting _this_ much, he _must_ be doing
even less work than me!


                             Bethan
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Hello...[grin]
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:44:37 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Oct6.011254.10361@leland.Stanford.EDU>, eec@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edie Cheng) writes:
> 
> yeah, that was scary!!  i can't believe i'm doing this...

 Oh, but aren't you glad you did?

 Welcome to soc.bi!

 <sfx: slavers at the thought of even more muffins>

 **hugs'n'snuggles'n an assortment of other such neat things**
-- 
Daniel Mitchell = Fenthe Marten = fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu =
m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk = dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk = bi furry juggler
Snailmail: 18, High St // Earls Colne // Essex CO6 2PA // ENGLAND
From: bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Edinburgh Muffin Pops up in Bay Area
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:16:02 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <2ad078bb@ThreeL.co.uk> adc@threel.co.uk (Alan "D." Culloch) writes:

>*pop!*  ...another muffin appears.

<smirk> 

Hi.....


>P.S., for those who were at Dave Berry's Edinburgh party, I was the one
>with the longish dark hair, pink dungarees and a vague, happy look...

*VERY* pink dungarees as I remember. And the photos will also confirm the
expression (probably more vague than necessarily happy as it was about 
3am by this point). Mind you, you shouldn't forget to mention the flowery
shirt....




                       Bethan
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: Re: communication
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:09:11 GMT

In article <MUFFY.92Sep30112215@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:

[I wrote:]
>>And I like my lover to be interested in my body and my sexuality, not just
>>my mind or intellect.
>
[Muffy:]
>This sounds like the same thing, to me, and is also how I feel.  I would
>like someone to be interested in *all* of me, and if they are only
>interested in my body, well, then, they can find some other body -
>perhaps an inflatable one.  If they are only interested in my mind, we
>can be quite happy as friends, but it would seem pointless for us to be
>lovers.
>
I guess what I was thinking of were a couple of very confusing relationships
with people who did not make a distinction between "friends" and "lovers".
Both of them (one was male, one female) wanted to marry me, and in each
case I lived with the person.  Now I have enough emotional strength I could
say 'no' to a relationship like that.  But it took a long time for me to
accept that wanting a decent sexual relationship, and making a distinction
between "friends" and "lovers" is ok.  I don't mean to disparage those who
do not make this distinction, it's just that I do, and nobody's going to
argue me out of it.

>>I've fallen for people that seemed very squeamish
>>about me as sexual being.  And although they claimed to love me, I felt
>>they were turned off by either my body, or my approach to sex.  This
>>made me feel real, real, bad.
>
>Do you think that "love" necessarily includes a desire to have sex?  I
>think that sex is one component (and not an unimportant one) of a good
>relationship, but I don't have to want to have sex with someone to love
>them.  Nor do I have to love them to want to have sex with them.

But in one of the two cases I'm thinking of, the 'love' I felt was erotic,
and he claimed to feel it too.  He just acted very weird about sex.

>Which reminds me - I told a good friend of mine, who I love and who has
>several times indicated an interest in sex with me (and I have sometimes 
>been interested in sex with him) that I was actually afraid to have sex
>with him.  Serious performance anxiety - we're so close, and we've
>talked about sex with each other and other people, and I just worry that
>it wouldn't be as good as he imagines...which is ridiculous, but a real
>feeling, nonetheless...*smile*.

Yep.  Know the feeling.
>
>Muffy



-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: Soc.bi Meet in Ottawa
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:32:43 GMT


Dave Ferguson wrote:
> I've heard from several different sources that The Wa has the highest
> concentration of GLBs in Canada...my ex-roomie once put it: "It's a
> difficult place to be a (straight) woman."

Yeah, I've heard that too.  (The Wa = Ottawa)  I've also heard (from a
sex shop owner) that Ottawa is also kinkier than Toronto.  Must be all
those repressed government workers and politicians. ;)


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  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  to know me only as
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40
From: fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Where are the bisexuals?
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:07:55 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

In article <1992Oct4.133147.11002@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes: 
>  - FurryMUCK 
> 
> (I haven't been there, but it's got a reputation ;)

 Erm -- whilst Furry is bi-friendly, I'd just like to point out that that's not
what the MUCK is about. It's a MUCK based around playing anthromorphic
characters; and, whilst a lot of these /are/ bi, and it's very open-minded
about sex in general, that's /not/ what the purpose of FurryMUCK is.

 That said, it /is/ a fun place.. <grin>

 -- Fenthe (sounding grouchy, but just wanting to get things, erm, straight.
Well, you get the idea.)

-- 
Daniel Mitchell = Fenthe Marten = fenthe@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu =
m91djm@ecs.ox.ac.uk = dmitchell@cix.compulink.co.uk = bi furry juggler
Snailmail: 18, High St // Earls Colne // Essex CO6 2PA // ENGLAND
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Date: 29 Sep 92 08:32:57 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <Bv9B0v.5IK@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> moselecw@elec.canterbury.ac.nz (moz [chris moseley]) writes:
+Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
+> "The unexamined life is not worth living." -- (I think this is a quote
+> from someone famous but *I* heard it from one of my queer friends about
+> the time I was coming out as gay/bi.
+
+Oscar Wilde. (I'm almost certain).

Through the voice of Salome....
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: mnorth@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: new NGLTF director
Date: 27 Sep 92 15:11:32 -0400
Distribution: world
Organization: Georgetown University

Tory Osborn (sp?) from L.A. has been selected for NGLTF Executive 
Director this weekend at the National Board Mtg.
She has a MBA, fundraising background and I believe the org may move some 
to the right.
Michael
mnorth@guvax.georgetown.edu
From: mjw19@cl.cam.ac.uk (M.J. Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Some fears and doubts about my sexuality
Date: 3 Oct 92 21:04:21 GMT
Reply-To: mjw19@cl.cam.ac.uk (M.J. Williams)
Organization: The National Society for the Inversion of Cudddly Tigers

In article <1992Oct02.150550.38318@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> SA121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith) writes:
>Honestly, all the egos around here thinking I was talking about them!
>No, you weren't one of the two I thought of, and neither was Mike, but
>you notice I left the escape clause of "at least ..." if you want to
>add yourself to the list.  And I'm not going to be naming names (not
>here, anyway....)

 Oops. That's called putting your foot in it. Anyway, I think I've worked out
 who the second person is, and, what is more, I think you're right. I also
 think that two is probably a long way off the mark. I also think that I am
 going to have difficulty in explaining this one...

_______________________________________________________________________________
 \   ^   / Michael Williams                     Part II Computer Science Tripos
  |\/|\/\  MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk                          University of Cambridge
  |  |(__) Cymdeithas Genedlaethol Traddodiad Troi Teigrod Mwythus Ben I Waered
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: I am not a bisexual!!!!
Date: 7 Oct 1992 02:42:42 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct6.233305.13530@leland.Stanford.EDU> mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:

->I've never seen a thunderbolt come out of the sky, but I've seen several
->come out of people, oft-times headed my way.  It's a risky, painful
->world.  

*heh* you too, eh?

Had it happen really for the first time last night, when my FSO got around
to telling me how she felt about polyamory ... Something along the lines of
"polyamory is a vicious, foolish, destructive way of life.  I know that you
think that there's something wrong with me, but remember, most of the world
has felt this way for a long time.  To the rest of us, there's something
wrong with all of you."

Well, OK ... it was on the computer.  That's an exact quote.

You know, it's the people who you really care about who can really seriously
hurt you ... Of course, most of you already know that.

-roy, who's going through an accelerated course in living.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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DISCLAIMER:  "I meant every word of it ... but nobody else did."
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bbooth@bnr.ca (Bradley Booth)
Subject: Re: chocolate = sex
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:01:01 GMT


M.J. Williams wrote:
> 
>  Do you have the giant size Toblerone in Canada? IAMFI

Yep!  But it's expensive.  Besides, the nougat gets in the way
when you're melting it on someone's bod. ;)


    __o     Brad Booth              | "I want you
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  to know me only as
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  what I believe I am."
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |     ... Fiftyfour-40
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Socratic silliness (was Re: Multiple Orientations?)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 22:34:46 GMT

Gideon Nisbet (guest on Tanaqui's account):

mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd) writes:
>orc@amber.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
>: mlloyd@westmark.Stanford.EDU (Mike Lloyd, whom it's always worthwhile to
>: flirt with) writes, about Socrates choosing death over censorship:

Brief, but sort of accurate Socrates info-dump: he didn't "choose death over
censorship", there was no mechanism of censorship of the individual in
classical Athens.  He got sentenced because his ideas were annoying the
right-wingers, and he stayed to face it because he thought the law should 
be obeyed in all cases (even screwy ones).  Which is, I'll agree, fairly 
silly.

>: |What a twit!
>: |The unexamined life is indeed something of a waste, but to choose to
>: |die just because people don't like your opinions?  That's daft!
 
Yes, but Socrates is daft on other counts - at least as Plato reports
him; not this one.

>BiContent?  Well, David brought up this closet issue, and I know
>I still haven't completely reconciled myself to the idea that
>people can get *killed* for coming out [Anyone see The Living
>End, btw?  Great movie with much on queer-bashing and retaliation].
>Still, Socrates wasn't being done away with for being gay, 
>unless I'm very much mistaken (?).  There is an appropriate
>time to die in opposition, but it's very rare.  I find it
>hard to imagine that Socrates was really facing a 
>preincarnation of Hitler.  I could be wrong, but I think such
>a death is usually a waste, brought on by a vain belief
>in the importance of the individual.

Correct: Socrates wasn't being done away with for being gay; fancying
nice young lads was the smart thing to do.  Any preincarnations he was facing
weren't of Hitler but of dull conservatives the world over; they're with us
always.  They objected to his encouraging young people to ask non-trivial
questions.

>Waffle, waffle. I'll shut up now.

Gideon is a Classics Cat

Tanaqui

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: drb@kepler.unh.edu (Dean R Biron)
Subject: Re: Multiple Orientations?
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:08:28 GMT

>   Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>   > "The unexamined life is not worth living." -- (I think this is a quote
>   > from someone famous but *I* heard it from one of my queer friends about
>   > the time I was coming out as gay/bi.
>
>   Oscar Wilde. (I'm almost certain).
>
>I was going to say Henry David Thoreau, but then decided to look it up
>and found this:
>
>Oxford Dictionary of Quotations, Copyright 1991 Oxford Univ. Press
> 
>SOCRATES469-399b.c.
> 
>The unexamined life is not worth living.
>Plato, Apology, 38a
>
>I was pleasantly suprised. *smile*
>
>boris

This quote is attributed to Socrates when he was being held in prison,
shortly before being executed.  He was offered a chance to flee into exile
but refused, saying that if he could not even express his thoughts in
'enlightened' Athens, how much worse it would be anywhere else.  Since
the unexamined life is not worth living, he literally chose death.


-- 
Dean R Biron
University of New Hampshire, Computer Science undergrad
drb@kepler.unh.edu  or just deano@unh.edu
"There is no reason for anyone to have a computer in their home."
	-Ken Olson circa 1979
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Subject: *grin*
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 13:09:34 GMT


*Grin* *grin* *grin* *giggle* *BLUSH*.
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-).

Go ahead, ask me about last night--I dare ya!!
*beam*

Eleanor
Newsgroups: soc.bi