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From: rah1220@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Whistler where?
Reply-To: rah1220@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:29:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.001415.1@vogon.invermay.cri.nz>, lindsayp@vogon.invermay.cri.nz writes:

Hello,

>Would someone please tell me where Whistler ski area is and what type of
>snow conditions one would expect at the end of January. How does this area rate
>on a scale of one to 10.

Whistler Resort is only the largest ski area on the continent.  It is in the
coastal mountains of British Columbia.  It is a monster, equalled only by the
best of European ski resorts.  Whistler is about 2-3 hours from Vancouver.  It
has the continent's second largest vertical drop coming in at 5006 feet.  It is
surpassed only by it's next door neighboor Blackcomb, which incidentally has a
vertical drop of 5286 feet.  Whistler/Blackcomb, as the resort is called, are
two separate ski resorts skiable on one ticket, connected by one enourmous base
village.  There are numerous high speed detachable lifts including a ten
passenger gondola.  There is glacier skiing, bowl skiing, and trail skiing. 
Mostly it is just plain S K I I N G ! ! ! ! ! !  

Conditions in January should be excellent.  Because of the height of the ski
areas there are several climactic changes.  You may find rain at the base amd
loose granular/wet conditions, wet snow and loose granular/packed powder
conditions at mid-mountain, and dry, fluffy, powder at the summit.  It is
variable.  Conditions should be excellent to banner!!  

Whistler Resort is the number one ski area in North America.  It is unparalled!  
It rates in all the trade publications at about a 9.999999999999998!  Have fun!


                                 Rob at RIT
From: byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 01:02:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Shredbetty?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> 
> OK,  one question: What is a shredbetty?
>  


Boardhead: Any snowboarder.

Dude: All male snowboarders are named Dude.  Be friendly and call out
      from the chair, "Nice air, Dude!"

Dudette or Shred Betty: Female snowboarder, usually with multicolored hair
      (one being blond), way-rad haircut and multiple earrings.

Stud Muffin:  Excellent female boarder, who has more testosterone than
              the guys.


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From: trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna)
Subject: Re: Most expensive ticket in North America (the US??)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:20:15 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

In article <1992Dec11.190306.1157@clarinet.com> grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson) writes:
>In article <Bz1yAv.66u@javelin.sim.es.com> bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>>The 1.28 "figger" is the rate that banks give to
>>each other on megabuck transactions.  As usual, we plebes get at best
>>about 1.20 to 1.21 -- the banks stick it to us again!!!
>
>Carry your moolah up to Canada and change it there.  The bank (or rather

Better yet, use your charge card.  Then you've automatically got a bank
working *for* you in negotiating the exchange, and you get the bankers'
exchange rate.  

-- 

-Wayne Trzyna
 trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU
From: steinman@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (Jan Steinman - Bytesmiths, 3946)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Are edges necessary for backcountry sk
Date: 20 Dec 92 15:39:00 GMT
Reply-To: steinman@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG

It's really a chicken-and-egg problem. Metal edges *are not necessary* for
anything except really firm (ice) surfaces. What is *much* more important is
the flex characteristics, side-cut, and width of the ski.

However (here's the chicken-and-egg part) all the skis with the best telemark
characteristics that are available also have metal edges.

I think it would be safer to say that metal edges are but one of many factors
that make a ski telemark easily. If you doubt this, dig up some Bona 2400
skis and telemark them in non-icy conditions. They telemark great, but no
metal edges (unless you have the 2400s).

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From: romo@netcom.com (Rafael Romo)
Subject: S. Cal. Skiing?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: california
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:15:57 GMT

Having never skiied outside of Tahoe, where do people ski in Southern
California.  I'll be in Lancaster for Christmas and was thinking that
I should do some skiing while I was there. What are the conditions like
right now?

RR

-- 
Rafael Romo romo@netcom.com ---

	Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that people
	aren't out to get you. 

From: ddb@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (dave bohn)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 23:35:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!!! (Not a flame!)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

Eat shit, two plank wank.
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From: bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk)
Subject: REPORT: Crystal Mountain, Cascades, WA Friday 12/18
Summary: Superb conditions at Crystal!
Keywords: Crystal, Cascades
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:03:22 GMT



Date:  Friday, Dec 18, 1992 
Time:  9:00 a.m.
Location: Crystal Mountain, Cascades, WA
Temps: 20 F at base at 9:00 a.m. 
Weather at time of obs.:  Clear, blue skies  
Snow level: Not applicable 
New snow depth:  18 inches Wed night 12/16; 3 inches thur night 12/17 
Elevation of observation:  5000 ft   
Winds: none 
Avalanche hazard:  severe, South Back Country closed  
Lift lines: none   
Wax: cold, new snow, cork buff 
Traffic: slow, many cars with chains   
Chains required?  no     
Ancillary comments:  Conditions at Crystal continue to improve.
Base 60 inches.  North Back Country open.  Big dump from Wed nite
coupled with light dusting from Thur nite led to superb powder
skiing.  A  rare clear day with blue skies and beautiful views of
Cascades including 14,402 Mt. Rainier.  Big dump with continued snow
forecast for Sat 12/19 and Sun 12/20.   




********************************************************

   Jim Bassuk, Ph.D.
   Dept. Biological Structure, Univ. of Washington
   NetworkAddress:  Bassuk@U.Washington.Edu  

   'Did I say what I meant or did I mean what I said?'

********************************************************

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From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Blue Knob Ski Conditions -- WOW!
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:34:32 GMT
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <14DEC92.15300034@enh.nist.gov> hudgens@enh.nist.gov writes:
>A buddy and I skied Blue Knob (PA) yesterday. The dump on Friday-Saturday
>put about 42" on the slope.  Since Blue Knob is one of those odd areas
>with the lodge at the top, they were unable to open much for skiing until
>Sunday.  The access road was barely passable on Sunday morning but our 4WD
>had no problem. By late morning most front wheel drives were making the
>top with no problems.


Heh!...go ahead make me jealous...i tried to bug out of Va on Fri. morning and
got stuck. All the major roads were clogged and the slopes within strking
distance(WhiteTail, Liberty, Roundtop) were either closed because of the
high winds(RoundTop) or the access roads there were nearly impassable.

I ended up staying home sulking and reading the latest issue of "Skiing".

bah
---Steve
-- 
---------
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		"Your Mind....My Playground" ---me
From: censtad@dion.gac.edu (Topher the Gustie)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!!!
Date: 12 Dec 92 09:52:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: gacvx2.1992Dec12.155251.2867
Reply-To: censtad@nic.gac.edu

In article <Bz408L.yw@srgenprp.sr.hp.com>  writes:
 What stands out are the hoards of
>  skate-rats who have this need to be "way rad, dude" all the time.
> 
>  Yeah, it might sound like sour grapes from an old fart...but after you
>  work 2 wrecks within an hour of each other where the people end up
>  paralyzed, and both of 'em were snowboarder vs snowboarder doing things
>  that *could* have been done safely....well, kinda messes up both your
>  day and your opinion.


Definetly screwed up your opinion I'd say.  Snowboarders have the same  
attitudes as some skiiers don't they?  What's the most number of ski  
wrecks you've worked?  I've certainly seen my share of skiiers with the  
wrong attitude.
From: hudgens@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: SKI BLOWOUT AT BLUE KNOB(?)
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:15:38 GMT
Organization: NIST



>             S K I  B L O W O U T  A T  B L U E  K N O B  !

>Get ready for an outrageous skiing adventure at Blue Knob, January 8-10 !
                             ^^^^^^  
>For as little as $155.00 per person you can ski the highest vertical drop in
>Pennsylvania (1052').  The trip includes:

   two nights lodging at RAMADA w/ tropical indoor courtyard
   parties each day (plus refreshments on the bus)
   FREE equipment rentals
   jacuzzi and pool
   round trip transportation
   free meals

   roller skating
   horseback riding
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Do I have this right?  Horses, skates, parties, but NO LIFT TICKETS?

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From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: Learn on short or long skis?
Organization: Telecom Research Labs. Melbourne, Vic, Australia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:14:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.004848.15321@clarinet.com> grant@clarinet.com (Grant Robinson) writes:
>Rule #1.  Take all advice from the net with a grain of salt (or don't take
>it at all), my post included.
>

Ah, well, there goes rule #1.


I basically agree with what Grant said.  Modern skis are generally much
better at turning than older skis, and height is not very important
compared with weight.  You need to feel comfortable with the ski
length, because _you_ are the one skiing on them.  If intermediates are
skiing on something shorter than around 180 (rough guide), I generally
suggest they try something longer for a day, taking the time to get
used to the extra length.  Usually, they are surprised at the ease with
which they adapt, but it depends on how good the basic technique is.
The extra stability is usually noticed, but it depends on what skis you
are comparing.  A top end GS or SL ski may seem difficult and
unresponsive to a non-aggressive intermediate skier.

--
Dave Harsant,
Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
From: jbas@geronimo.az.stratus.com (Jerry_Bastida)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: 1st time board stories...
Date: 20 Dec 92 13:28:34 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: geronimo.az.stratus.com

After much thought and a couple of months of readind rec.skiing I have  
decided that this is the season that I become a 'dude' (thanx John Byrnes  
for the syntax!). :-)

I'm heading for Seattle after Christmas to visit a friend (oops. I mean  
Dude) who started 'boarding last season and I plan on trying it during my  
visit. <gulp>!

I'd like to hear some stories about what you wish you had known before  
your first day on a board.

Post or e-mail directly.

'You sure I don't get a pair of poles with this thing?' - me.
---
Jerry Bastida
jbas@az.stratus.com

My NEW favorite fortunes:
1. The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the 
       stupidity of your action.
2. Take my advice; I'm not using it.
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From: root@igahpse.epfl.ch (Andrzej KULIK)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: OLIN MDS skis ?
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:12:15 GMT
Reply-To: root@igahpse.epfl.ch ()
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

Hello !

Who knows something about OLIN MDS skis (whiskers technology)

Thankx !

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*** Institut de Genie Atomique, CH-1015 LAUSANNE, SWITZERLAND.
*** Phone: (21)693'33'59, Fax: (21)693'44'70, e-mail: root@igahp1.epfl.ch
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From: bassuk@stein.u.washington.edu (James Bassuk)
Subject: Re: Are "Ladies Skis" really better for women skiers?
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:49:06 GMT

jl0h@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN DONALD LAESSIG) writes:

>Hi,

>I'v been trying to find the best, and cheapest, skis for my girlfriend (low
>intermediate skier), but I don't know what advantage there would be to what
>some manufacturers are advertising as ladies skis.  Some are just lighter
>versions of other skis, but some also have a shifted binding position.

>-What effect and how much do these skis have as opposed to "regular" skis?

>-My girlfriend was having trouble learning to turn since she is not very
>athletic.  Would this type of ski make turning significantly easier?


Hmmmm. .....I went through this last year with my wife....we bought her
a pair of Dynastar Elles......a true woman's ski....lighter.....slalom
cut.......and of course it matched her outfit.......

As for a shifted binding position.....that simply means there is a line
drawn on the ski.......what you want to do is to find a shop that has
a genuine "teeter-tawter" (sp?) to establish the true balance point of
the skier in his/her boots on the skis on the teeter-tawter........
the bindings are NOT mounted or used at all here.......the skier needs to
feel where the balance point is......moving the boot to or from the
tail  one cm at a time....then rebalancing is the drill here....

ladies skis are also designed to perform with a lighter skier.....
you can't compare men and women skiers on the same ski...the height and
weight factors are tooo great....

So....I'd recommend that if she is a strong intermediate skier  who is
ready for a performance ski, then move up to a woman's performance ski...

Otherwise, if she doesn't know about edging or pole plants, then why
waste money and buy her the 99 dollar special..


Ok......fellow netters......rip that up!  (grin)


********************************************************

   Jim Bassuk, Ph.D.
   Dept. Biological Structure, Univ. of Washington
   NetworkAddress:  Bassuk@U.Washington.Edu  

   'Did I say what I meant or did I mean what I said?'

********************************************************

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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Powder
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 08:49:15 GMT

In article <BzDB4I.FHr@ncube.com> zod@ncube.com writes:
My what a long signature 8^).
>How does one ski the fresh powder, or the used powder?

This is covered in the FAQ.
Don't.  Stand back.
Instead call over myself, Baker, certain guys in CO and UT, etc. and we
will clear out all that nasty powder for you.  You can tell us, we are the
guys with powder cords, poles which double as probes, carry beepers, shovels,
and occasionally 106 mm recoilless rounds....  Well I have a cold right now
so you have to get Baker or one of the other guys.
A dirty job, but someone has to do it.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
  Scientific Programming
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Seeking Books to buy:	Bongard, Pattern Recognition
			3 down 1 to go.
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From: rbalko@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (robert.a.balko)
Subject: Windham(NY)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: ne
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:33:06 GMT


Hi,

Does anybody know how the ski conditions are at Windham?
On my way to Hunter I saw a BB advertising $22 lift tickets 
for Windham and was wondering if it was worth it. Hunter 
was $38 ($39 for credit card) and the Storm from last 
weekend helped a great deal. So... if I can trim $16 
off my lift ticket I might be persuaded to go Ski Windham


Sounding like a commercial,
Rob Balko
'I amn't gonna pay a lot for a lift ticket'
From: ci513@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tom Kelly)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: 5 DAY KILLINGTON PACKAGE FOR SALE
Date: 16 Dec 1992 03:10:31 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Includes unlimited use of all lifts Monday throygh Sunday for one
adult. A two hour lesson each day at your ability level is 
included as well as use of boots poles and ski's for 5 days. I 
This certificate I'm selling is valid for the 1992-93 season 
except the following dates, 12/25-1/4, 1/15-1/19,and 2/12- 2/22.
For any other info give me a call at (216) 371-0332. 
$125.00 or best offer. e-mail replies a-o.k too.
Tom Kelly
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From: bz754@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Derek J. Wojciech)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Snowboarders Suck!!!!
Date: 11 Dec 1992 19:49:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, zeke@reed.edu (Zeke Koch) says:

>mf3s+@andrew.cmu.edu (Martin David Frankel) writes:
>>I've got a serious question that is only remotely related to this thread.
>>
>>I'm a skiier but not a snowboarder, and I'm curious:
>
>Try boaring, you'll never go back ;-)
     ^^^^^^^
C'mon Zeke, let's not let the skiers think that boarders can't spell. 

>>Are the skills involved with snowboarding closer to those of skiing, or
>>of skateboarding?  And are most snowboarders ex-skiiers or
>>ex-skateboarders?
>
The pure physical skills are definitely more similiar to skateboarding, and
also surfing.  Many surfers/skateboarders also find snowboarding to give
them as much freedom, versitality, creativity, and most importantly STOKE as
their fav sports.  I surf and snowboard, have skied (never again since I've
seen the light!) and done a little bit of skateboarding.  Most snowboarding
moves are taken from skate/surf manuevers.  The transition between the 3
sports is definitely easier if you have practiced one.
I believe skiing contributes to snowboarding in what I call 'mountain
awareness.'  Attacking a downhill, slaloming, knowing how to handle various
base textures (ice, powder, packed), knowing how your edges interact with
the surface, handling speed, handling jumps (to a certain extent) are all
experiences learned in skiing that can apply to your snowboarding tactics.
But the physical skills are positively more similiar to surfing/skateboarding.
 
					Derek
 

-- 
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that we live between, Fire and   |-----------------------------/    **   '
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From: glenb@sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Subject: Re: N.Tahoe Conditions, etc. ?
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:15:17 GMT
Organization: Fly GlenAir
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Ellen M. Sentovich (ellen@opua.Berkeley.EDU) wrote:

> When was the last time they ran Red Dog?  Isn't it extinct?

 Yep...dog is dead. Deceased. Pushin' up daisys. It's met its maker. It's
 knocked off. It is an Ex-chairlift!

 ..glen 

     parrot? No, why?
From: webb@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John S. Webb)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Big snow dump    MD,WV,PA
Date: 12 Dec 92 15:57:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: oasys.28456
Reply-To: webb@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John S. Webb)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Fasten your seat belts you are not going to believe these
totals for new snow fall here in the bannana belt !!

We are having a rather nasty nor'easter storm along the
east coast.  It's pouring rain in the cities- people
are stuck in Atlantic City and the governor just declared
New York City a disaster area.
^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^
As of Fri pm 12/11 the Totals are:

      SKI  AREA                  NEW SNOW (last 36 hr)
     ------------               --------------

    Wisp Maryland                3 feet  !!
    Seven Springs,PA             32 in
    Hidden Valley,PA             32 in
    Blue Knob,Pa                 30 in
    Cannan Valley,W Va           25 in
    Snowshoe,W Va                16 in
    Whitetail,PA                 12 in


It's still snowing in the mountains.

This sounds like Tahoe or Mammouth !!
were off to a good start :-) :-)

John Webb
David Taylor Model Basin Hq.      -  Ski Till You Drop  -
Carderock Div,NSWC                _ The Md state ski bum-
Code 1523
Bethesda,MD 20084-5000
301 227-1870                   webb@oasys.dt.navy.mil (John S Webb)
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From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: Volant skis?
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:56:47 GMT

bobs@Think.COM ( Robert Schwartz) writes:
>In article <92350.215130ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET>, Eric Schweitzer <ERSHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>|> Can anyone tell me something about the FX-2 and the FX-3?

>I tried the FX-3 at the recent demo day at Whiteface in NY.  The
>conditions were very "New England", (man made on top of hard pack/
>boiler plate).  IMHO these skis were scary.
>....  I couldn't wait to get off them.  

You don't say how tall & heavy you are vs. the length of ski you used.

My fiancee' (5'8", 150#, strong, aggressive farmgirl-type skier) skis
FX-2's (205cm) & shreds everything from machine packed nature's snow
(including spring boilerplate) to crud to Alta Deep Powder(tm).  She
likes them a lot more than her Rossi 4S 190cm (which are of course are
too short for an Alta skier(tm) anyway! :-)

-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com             __o    <>
<>    bike-a-holic <>   (this *often* works)             -\<,    <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,   ......O/ O    <>
<>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks                     <>
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From: zod@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Powder
Keywords: How to ski
Reply-To: zod@ncube.com
Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:40:27 GMT

I posted this article earlier. But I did not get any response yet.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

How does one ski the fresh powder, or the used powder?
My skies tend to go different directions in those powders!
At some points I even get them crossed, and result in a fall.
Should one not parallel in those conditions?


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