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From: u925599@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Chris Stapelberg)
Subject: Re: Alien in a bar.
Organization: University of Tasmania
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:21:58 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.201446.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>, c8838228@cc.newcastle.edu.au (DO YOU HEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug27.220347.21319@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes:
> > 
> >   A few years ago, I met an alien in a bar. Actually, It was a woman
> > claiming to be an alien.
> >   She said that she was an incorporeal being from another dimension who
> > decided to inhabit a human infant and grow up in our culture. The
> > reason for this is that her colleagues were going to destroy the earth
> > in 1997 because of mankinds potential to develope interdimensional
> > transport (they also think that we are sick and disgusting, no suprise
> > there).
> >   She is of the opinion that we have some redeming qualities and does
> > not want us to be destroyed just yet.
> >   Believe it or not, this is not fiction. Has anyone else heard of
> > incorporeal biengs in human bodies wanting to destroy the earth?
> 
>Does she plan to go down with the planet?
 Maybe it was a turn-on.
 Maybe she was on medication.
 Why would someone claiming to be of a superior culture AND finding us
 so disgusting hang out in a bar ?!
 
 Anyway, with the economy the way it is I dont even think we will be on
 Mars in 1997, never mind other dimensions!
 And why would anyone that has an entire stack of dimensions at their
 beck and call hang around and watch us. In fact, I dont even think it
 would be worth the trouble for any aliens to destroy us, unless
 they were building an Intergalactic Freeway, of course.

 Regards,
 Chris. 
>
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From: gvb@TEST1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: Mysterious Happening
Keywords: military helicopters lights
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:48:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.172539.3170@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> arpowell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Aimee Powell) writes:
>In article <3384@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Ric
> Pavek) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug19.165303.1844@HQ.Ileaf.COM> hal@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Hal Wa
>leigh) writes:
>>>And DON'T let anybody hypnotize you unless you have a reason.  If you w
>nt to
>>
>>What about the abduction victims that remembered being abducted WITHOUT
>>ever being hypnotized?  
>>
>>Why is the assumption made that if the subject was hypnotized for the
>>purposes of recollecting incidents, and the incidents happen to include
>>abduction, that the hypnotist HAD to have lead the subject?
>>
>>I mean, we're not talking about lounge act Hypnotists here... this is
>>a clinical setting.
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>-- 
>>Rick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its progra
>.
>>                                 |           
>>Seattle, WA                      |   It wastes your time
>>                                 |          and annoys the droid.  
>
>
>
>What clinical setting?  Hopkins is far from professional in his
>practices, and as I understand it he uses his studio for these
>sessions.
>
>Aimee

Your words "far from professional in his practices" have *NO* meaning
unless you specify what you mean. Please expand this and explain this.
In his book "INTRUDERS" he seems very professional to me. I am not
any sort of authority on hypnosis or abduction investigations but
there is nothing obviously wrong with his investigative techniques that
I can detect. 

Gregg.





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From: ltf@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Aliens that smoke???
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:04:03 GMT
Organization: NC Microproducts, Inc.

In article <wb9omc.714263567@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu> wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
}kevin@andorra.Berkeley.EDU (Kev) writes:
}
}>             and that smoking is not allowed on inter-stellar
}>             spacecraft"
}>          Can anyone shed some more light on this matter?
}
}	--Sure. That re-entry can be a real bitch, you know....  :-)

Nah...the real reason is:

   Mars Needs Women, and cigarettes to smoke afterwards.  They've been
   watching our TV transmissions for years, and figure it's part of the
   reproduction process.



Lance

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From: jlpicard@austin.ibm.com (Craig Becker)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Tesla: Genius and Fruitcake All In One
Date: 25 Aug 92 18:20:29 GMT
Reply-To: craigb@ot.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Object Technology Products
Originator: jlpicard@woofer.austin.ibm.com


wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
> 
> >Yes, Tesla was a crackpot.  He also happens to be behind 90 % of what you are
> >using right now.  Looking around me, I see very little electrical equipment
> >that doesn't have some of his work in it.  Marconi was using 29 of Telsa's      
> >patents when he 'invented' wireless.  Tesla had demonstrated it
> >several YEARS earlier.

True. He also invented the AC motor, which I believe has been responsible
for some small amount of technological progress.

> 	Edison hired some folks to go around the country with some AC
> apparatus.  They'd take big hunks of red meat, attach it to the
> apparatus and then throw the switch.  The resulting frying, sizzling,
> etc. display scared the hell out of those watching.  Edison referred
> to the effect as having been "Westinghoused".

They also occasionally used small furry animals.

> 	My source for a lot of this is a book by Margaret Cheney -
> "Tesla: Man out of Time".  I strongly encourage anyone to read this
> book.

Unfortunately, Cheney's book read (to me, anyway) as an exercise in
unabashed hero worship. I personally don't believe all of the claims
she made for Tesla. However, there are other (better) biographies of
Tesla out there, and they do tend to back up the stories you mentioned
in your post.

Craig
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From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Subject: Re: Too secret for the US President's eyes?
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 00:06:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: alt

In article <1992Aug25.211448.11119@reed.edu> kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.140148.8764@lmt.mn.org> alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Dave Alexander) writes:
>>In article <n0=nlkc.tomrice@netcom.com>, tomrice@netcom.com (Tom R. Rice) writes:
>>> 
>>> pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:
>>> 
>>> >>	There are a few levels of Top Secret, as we know, that are above
>>> >>	the President.
>>> 
>>> 	I assume those are the "burn before reading" levels.
>>> 	Of course, that's what the alt.alien.visitors folk
>>> 	have been saying about the documentation on the (in)famous
>>> 	Roswell Incident.
>>> 
>>> 	Yes, please elaborate.  (If I were Pres and learned of
>>> 	this, I'd be pretty well p-o'd.)
>>> 
>>
>>>From some of the (unproven) things I have heard on the conspiracy circuit, 
>>I was under the impression that Kennedy learned of it, *was* pretty p-o'd,
>>told them he was going to tell the American people about it and that's why
>>he got knocked off.
>>
>>Moral: Don't fuck with scientists working for the military-industrial
>>       complex, even if you're the president. They know what's best for us.
>>
>
>Errr... what are you talking about?  What is this Roswell Incident?  What
					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>did it have to do with Kennedy, and what is the original source for its
>mentioning?  This isn't some bizarre-o paranoid UFO wank again is it?
>
>-- 
>Jerry Kuch (t-gerldk@microsoft.com) | "Sic Gorgianus Allos Subjectatus Nunc."
>  "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.
>   Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet." - Montgomery Burns
>

PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT!!!!!
If you don't know what the Roswell Incedent is, if you think Alien Abduction is
Mexican Slave Trade, if you have never heard of Project Blue-Book, or Project Grudge, PLEASE DO NOT POST TO THIS NEWS GROUP. READ A UFO book. It's really a much
better investment of your time, and everyone else's present!

Is there a FAQ for this group:
?????????????????????????????????
I think we need one if there is not. I've seen one mentioned, but I haven't the foggiest where it is...

Jeff-
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Aliens that smoke???
Date: 27 Aug 92 00:12:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug26.222222.24120@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty III) writes:
>In article <25166@castle.ed.ac.uk>, fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>> 
>> Yes, cigarettes do not burn in zero gravity. 
>
>That's a GOOD one, Mr. Holmes!  :-)
>
>I can believe that a cigarette cannot be lighted in a vacuum (no oxygen to
>make it burn), but what will prevent it from burning in zero-G if it has a
>suitable atmosphere?

I rather assumed that in zero-G, smoke will not rise (it is no longer lighter
than the surrounding air), so the cigarette would light, but if kept stationary,
it would smother itself. If you waved it about, it would probably stay lit.

But if you thought smoking in an airplane was bad...
 
>BTW, it's not tobacco the aliens are addicted to.  I'ts POT.  :-)
>-- 
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From: steven@syacus.acus.oz.au (Steven Malikoff)
Subject: Re: Alien in a bar.
Organization: ACUS Australian Centre for Unisys Software, Sydney
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:11:16 GMT

Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes:
: 
:   A few years ago, I met an alien in a bar. Actually, It was a woman
: claiming to be an alien.

Must have been Kim Basinger!

Steve Malikoff.
steven@syacus.acus.oz.au
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From: shalan@engr.latech.edu (Shivram Halan)
Subject: Re: "I Am Sananda"/dharma
Reply-To: shalan@engr.latech.edu
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:09:12 GMT


	dharma is a hindu term. 
	- principles by which man should live, completion of all responsibilities, includes that a person should have certain qualities..generosity, magnanimity, love for all things living, dead or lifeless,........... 

In india pan handlers say "dharmam tha- give me dharma, alms
		, or dharmam pannu - do your dharma" .

Many indian names have dharma as a prefix or suffix.

	dharmaraj - king of dharma. (this will qualify your question, who is dharma??)
	 dharmendra - ( dharma and mahendra - rolled into one. here mahendra also
 	means King, and is another name for an indian god, shiva- known as the
	 destroyer.) 


opposite of dharma is -   adharma.

shiv.
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: tom_repasky@mentorg.com
Subject: Re: Alien in a bar.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:19:52 GMT
Organization: Information Services

In article <1992Aug27.220347.21319@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Robert.T.Warfield@dartmouth.edu (Robert T. Warfield) writes:
>
>  A few years ago, I met an alien in a bar. Actually, It was a woman
>claiming to be an alien.
>  She said that she was an incorporeal being from another dimension who
>decided to inhabit a human infant and grow up in our culture. The
>reason for this is that her colleagues were going to destroy the earth
>in 1997 because of mankinds potential to develope interdimensional
>transport (they also think that we are sick and disgusting, no suprise
>there).
>  She is of the opinion that we have some redeming qualities and does
>not want us to be destroyed just yet.
>  Believe it or not, this is not fiction. Has anyone else heard of
>incorporeal biengs in human bodies wanting to destroy the earth?
>
Only beings who have come to watch.

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: lfoard@Turing.ORG (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: Tesla
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 22:16:12 GMT

In article <3ZP7PB1w164w@amigans.gen.nz> ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto) writes:
>I have enjoyed the discussion regarding Tesla. What
>surprises me is that the skeptics et al have not debunked
>him. 

What is there to debunk? AC electricity works doesn't it?

>Why is this? After all he is such a target. Could it be
>that his genius intimidates those erudite conservatives that
>infest this nest?

Unlike the other would be geniuses he actually contributed something
even if he was a bit wacko. Contribute something real rather than
rambling on about energy beings and other nonsense. Yes people can
work magic just like Tesla did, but you arn't going to do it worshipping
power crystals.

>The fact is, without AC power, this medium along with the
>rest of the modern world would not exist ; without the
>contribution of this "crackpot". Humiliating isn't it? What
>say ye now ye upholders of the scientific banion. By any
>definition of the term Tesla was not a scientist.

You still miss the point Tesla did something useful, if aliens
give you something useful don't tell a room full of people who
don't know which ways up. Develop it and show it to the
world.

>What you learn in books is merely instructional - nihilists
>have to learn that they are the parasites of the Earth.

And why do you think Tesla never read a book? Invention takes
knowledge and creativity. Either alone isn't sufficient. I will
admit there are plenty of creative people here :-)

Now just learn enough to put that creativity to use.

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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Two Ufo Sightings In Finland
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:28:03 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:104/428.0 - <ParaNet(sm) , Arvada CO

Thanks for posting the material on the Finland sightings.  Please keep us
posted at mcorbin@paranet.org.

Mike

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From: Beyond the pale
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter FLAME !!
Date: 1 Sep 1992 17:50:16 GMT
Organization: Cyberdine Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: framemaker.ebay.sun.com

>LEAVE US NOW OR WE WILL SHOW YOU THE TRUTH YOU FEAR !!!!!!!!

What truth would that be??  The earth is flat?  The laws of thermodynakics really don't apply?  Laura Palmer really isn't dead but merely resting???  
What EEESSSS it maaannnnn?!?!?!?
From: mitch@seashell.seas.ucla.edu (Robert R. Mitchell (SEAS admin))
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Tesla: Genius and Fruitcake All In One
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:24:06 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles

In article <wb9omc.714675699@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu> wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:
>
>	However back in Niagra Falls cooler heads prevailed.  Westinghouse
>finally got to install some of Tesla's AC generators which were proven
>to be superior.  It rather spread from there.  After a while, Edison
>was out of a job in the power generating industry.
>
>	Stick to lightbulbs, Tommy.....   :-)

From _The_Dictionary_of_Misinformation_, by Tom Burnam:

Inventor of the lightbulb:  Many people think he was, but Thomas A.
Edison simply improved upon a principle others had discovered and worked
on for years.  Electric lighting itself is much older than commonly supposed, 
although the earliest attempts involved arcs rather than filaments.  
As early as 1802 Sir Humphrey Davy produced an arc light, and in 1844, 
three years before Edison was born, Jean Foucalt made an arc light 
strong enough to illuminate the Place de la Concorde in Paris.

An English physicist, Sir Joseph William Swan, made a crude light bulb 
as early as 1860.  In 1878, he showed a successful carbon-filament lamp 
at Newcastle, some ten months beore Edison managed to come up with 
his "original".


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From: hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987)
Subject: Re: Tesla
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 09:45:51 GMT

CSYSPCN (CSYSPCN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU) wrote:
: In article <3ZP7PB1w164w@amigans.gen.nz>, on 27 Aug 92 22:39:13 GMT,
: ed@amigans.gen.nz (Edward Kitto) writes:
: 
: >                                               What
: >surprises me is that the skeptics et al have not debunked
: >him.
: 
: Truth is truth, regardless of the source.  His results were subject
: to scientific scrutiny, were repeatable, and independently
: verifiable.
: 
: What's to debunk?

Well, it's interesting to note that although we can reproduce some of T's
experiments, we can't make anything like the ball lightning that he was
(allegedly?) able to "Hold in his hand like a glowing orb".  Of course,
the US gummint has snarfed away all of his notes, and as far as I know they
are still not released.  Obviously he was on to something that Uncle Sam
is uncomforable about others knowing.  Is it a money thing, a power thing,
or a knowledge thing?  Are all three the same?

I'll be in Denver after Labor day for a few weeks, and hope to get to the
Tesla museum in Co. Springs.  Anyone have any suggestions besides this?
(I have the phone number, thanks to the kind soul who sent it).

--

Dave Hinz  -  Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.  Obviously.
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From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Tesla: Genius and Fruitcake All In One
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:10:40 GMT
Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



For those of you that are interested in the life and times of Tesla the 
"International Tesla Society" and Tesla Museum are base/located here in
Colorado Springs.  You can write or call to this address/phonenumber


International Tesla Society
17 East Las Vegas
Colorado Springs, Colorado 80903

Phone (719)-475-2247

Sorry I do not have or know of an 800 number

They recently and there international convention here.  I attend part of it
and I was very impresive.  Tesla was a genius to say the least.

Steve

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From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:40:02 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Gary Stollman writes:
> 
> Msg-ID: <g+kn4ln.garys@netcom.com>
> Posted: Wed, 02 Sep 92 04:05:49
> Org.  : Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
> 
> 
> I know what this is gonna sound like, but I have been "informed" that the
> Second Coming is near at hand.  I have been "told" that Jesus is walking
> the Earth.  I don't know if this is the way it is supposed to happen, but
> it is the way it is happening.  I do know something of the story of the
> Second Coming, and it would seem I should be wrong, but this is what I
> have been "told"...
> 
>         Gary


Actually, Gary, the Second Coming was last Tuesday.  You missed it.

And yes, Jesus WAS walking the earth, but he was shot dead by an NRA spokesman.

(Sheesh, religious nuts... didn't the year 1000 convince anybody?)


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From: vpaf5@jane.uh.edu (Kal)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:52:00 GMT
Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Aug26.222044.4399@mprgate.mpr.ca>, spani@mprgate.mpr.ca (Leonard Spani) writes...
>In article <64691@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>|> Dear People: The question was asked, "Did the days of darknes happen"?
>|> They did not happen. It appears that some of these channels like Hatonn
>|> when they talk through Dharma like to get people stirred up, and upset
>|> so that the people will change their ways. It doesn't make much sense
>|> to me. When Hatonn talks through Mr. Miller and the Solar Cross he sounds
>|> like a very nice guy. I went to a person called Gloria and she asked 
>|> ......
>|> John Winston.
> 
>Are you sure that this Miller person and this Dharma person are channeling 
>the same Hatonn? Maybe Dharma is channelling Hatonn's sneaky and far less
>positive evil twin, Hatofff!
> 

They are actually both channeling the same entity: Putonn

> 
> 
>Leonard.
> 
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Kal
vpaf5@jane.uh.edu.or.something.like.that
From: bottom@hawk1.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: FTP site
Date: 2 Sep 92 14:57:31 GMT
Reply-To: hedron::daveb
Organization: ASO IM operations


Sorry but I lost my pointer to the FTP site for the UFO gifs etc. If someone 
could give it to me that'd be great. E-mail is fine

thanks in advance

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