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From: yusuf@cs.uwp.edu (Muhammad Yusuf)
Subject: Re: Another COBOL650 question
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Parkside
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 16:31:54 GMT

JASON_DONNELL_SMITH (smithjd@wkuvx1.bitnet) wrote:
: Could someone pleas post the exact FTP site and directory that
: contains the DPATH.COM for the compiler 650.  I only have e-mail
: access to FTP.  I got the compiler from wuarchive.wustl.edu does this
: site have the file?  I could not find it.
: -- 
: :=======================================================================:
: :2702 Industrial Dr. 161H			Thank you,              :
: :Bowling Green Ky 42101				Jason Smith             :
: :						SMITHJD@WKUVX1.BITNET   :
: :=======================================================================:



You don't really need DPATH.COM to set access to program directories
or whatever.  You can use the DOS's very own PATH or APPEND commands
which do the same thing as DPATH.  And by using PATH or APPEND you  
will also be saving yourself some extra memory since DPATH is a TSR
utility.  So to temporarily set access to some files in C:\TEMP
directory just type:

            APPEND C:\TEMP; /PATH:ON/X:ON       {if in DOS 5.0}
or
            APPEND C:\TEMP;                     {DOS 4.0 or less}

or          
            You can modify the PATH statement   {works for any DOS 
            in your AUTOEXEC.BAT file to         version} 
            include C:\TEMP.

If you want these to be setup everytime you turn on your computer
you must put the  command in your AUTOEXEC.BAT file.

Now to answer your question, you can find DPATH at the following
sites:

Host rigel.acs.oakland.edu

    Location: /pub/msdos/sysutl
           FILE -rw-r--r--       1868  Dec 12 1987  addpath.arc
           FILE -rw-r--r--      16196  Jul  6 1989  addpath1.arc
           FILE -rw-r--r--       6113  Mar 31 1991  dpath30.zip

Host wuarchive.wustl.edu

    Location: /mirrors3/msdos/sysutl
	   FILE -rw-r--r--       6113  Mar 31 1991 dpath30.zip

Best Wishes.
MUHAMMAD YUSUF
yusuf@cs.uwp.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: lowe@fnx.uucp (Phill Lowe)
Subject: Re: Need help on a very simple COBOL program.
Organization: I/Ovations
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 05:24:55 GMT

A few thoughts come to mind.

Compiler differences can cause big headaches.  Especially when I am used
to quite a number of extensions to the language.  These should be looked 
up in your manual.

INSPECT target-field
  REPLACING LEADING '0'   
            WITH    ' '.  

IF target-field  NUMERIC
    MOVE TARGET-FIELD        
      TO TEMP-NUMERIC-FIELD
    IF TEMP-NUMERIC-FILD > high-range
    OR TEMP_NUMERIC-FIELD < low-range
       PERFORM ERROR-CODE.


ADD MAX-NO-OF-SUPPLIERS     PIC 99 VALUE 7   to each of your hard-code
 tables.  Then you can do a perform varying table-sub from +1 by +1
until table-sub > max-no-of-supplier.  If you don't have a match then the
flag is still set and you create an error.

Hope this helps.s
From: UMASP@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Working cobol 650
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:54:13 GMT
 <92279.134939UMASP@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <6OCT199214542155@sscvx1.ssc.gov>
 <92281.123234UMASP@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <1992Oct13.074334.15867@greco-prog.fr>
Organization: University of Maine System

Oops...sorry about that.   My typing isn't so good at times.
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: smithjd@wkuvx1.bitnet (JASON_DONNELL_SMITH)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Another COBOL650 question
Date: 7 Oct 92 14:00:51 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

Could someone pleas post the exact FTP site and directory that
contains the DPATH.COM for the compiler 650.  I only have e-mail
access to FTP.  I got the compiler from wuarchive.wustl.edu does this
site have the file?  I could not find it.
-- 
:=======================================================================:
:2702 Industrial Dr. 161H			Thank you,              :
:Bowling Green Ky 42101				Jason Smith             :
:						SMITHJD@WKUVX1.BITNET   :
:=======================================================================:
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: Matthew Y Rupp <mrupp@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Date calculation
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 22:38:05 GMT


Hi,

	I'm new to this group and need help calculating the day of the
week and date from a given day.  I use Microsoft Cobol and haven found 
an eay way to accomplish this.  Can anyone help me with this or is
there any archive sites (FTP) where this may reside.  Thanks in
advance for your help.

Matt

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Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: Don Nelson <nelson_don@comm.tandem.com>
Subject: Re: Date calculation
Organization: Tandem Computers
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:07:23 GMT

I assume you are using the latest version -- that is Version 5.0 for the
PS/2.  If so, they have intrinsic functions and you can use the date 
functions to do whatever you want.  For example, the following would
return the day of the week:

   MOVE FUNCTION REM (FUNCTION INTEGER-OF-DATE (yyyymmdd) / 7) TO
       week-day

0 will be Sunday, 1 Monday, and so on.

Note that the subroutines given Leo Donnelly won't work for the year 2000.
It is a leap year.  The routines figure that years divisible by 100 are
not 
leap years.  1900 was not and neither will 2100 be.  However, 2000 is.

Don Nelson
COBOL Development, Tandem Computers, Inc
ex-Chariman, CODASYL COBOL Committee
nelson_don@comm.tandem.com
Organization: University of Maine System
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 22:58:07 EDT
From: <UMASP@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Another COBOL650 question

The exact FTP site is:   wustl.wuarchive.edu    or numerically: 128.252.135.4

The exact directory is:  /mirrors/msdos/sysutl

The exact file name is:  DPATH30.zip


You will need PKZIP software to unarchive this (but of course, if you have
the COBOL650 program, you already knew that).


Hope this clears up everything for everyone.


George Newell
umasp@maine.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: edotto@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed Otto)
Subject: Re: Need help on a very simple COBOL program.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:01:52 GMT

vvdag@alliant1.lerc.nasa.gov (Don Georgevich) writes:

>I am a NOVICE COBOL programmer who is in a real bind with major time
>constraints.   I need some help on how to complete a very simple COBOL
>program.  If there is anyone out there who can spare a few minutes of their
>time and offer some tips on how I should proceed in completing the following
>program, I would be very appreciative.


This is his homework.  Sigh.  If you don't do it yourself, you won't learn.

					--		Ed

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Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: Don Nelson <nelson_don@comm.tandem.com>
Subject: Re: Date calculation
X-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Oct 92 17:54:34 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:45:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.124836.25436@wisdom.bubble.org> Bill Cavanaugh,
bleys@wisdom.bubble.org writes:
>But the divide-by-four rule works with no special cases for 2000.  It's
>1900, 2100, etc. that we'd have to watch out for in our code.
>
>I might just put the code in for 2100 to scare people I work
>with...<chuckle>
>
>bill

The reason I mentioned it was that I noticed the routines throwing out
ones divisible by 100 (at least I think so -- maybe I should look again).
Anyhow, I recently had to write the code for the new date functions for
Tandem's COBOL compiler and it had to handle dates from 1601 to about
2400.  I had to put in all this stuff.

Don

(No clever sayings)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: int506z@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Jason Soo)
Subject: Where to get LINKER ?
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 11:10:16 GMT

	
	I am trying to use Cobol650 but there is no linker provided in the
	zip file.

	Can someone please tell me where I can get it ?

	I would appreciate it very much.  Thanks.

	:)


int506z@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au
From: bleys@wisdom.bubble.org (Bill Cavanaugh)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Date calculation
Date: 14 Oct 92 11:51:34 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises, Inc.

In article <1992Oct12.190723.18610@tandem.com> nelson_don@comm.tandem.com (Don Nelson) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>Note that the subroutines given Leo Donnelly won't work for the year 2000.
>It is a leap year.  The routines figure that years divisible by 100 are
>not 
>leap years.  1900 was not and neither will 2100 be.  However, 2000 is.
>
>Don Nelson
>COBOL Development, Tandem Computers, Inc
>ex-Chariman, CODASYL COBOL Committee
>nelson_don@comm.tandem.com

Aren't you thinking just little bit far ahead?  It'd be a terrible thing if
software engineering stagnates to the point that code I'm writing in COBOL
today is still running in 2100 ad....

bill
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From: bleys@wisdom.bubble.org (Bill Cavanaugh)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Need help on a very simple COBOL program.
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:27:31 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises, Inc.

In article <1992Oct14.174706.17341@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> vvdag@alliant1.lerc.nasa.gov (Don Georgevich) writes:
>I am a NOVICE COBOL programmer who is in a real bind with major time
>constraints.   I need some help on how to complete a very simple COBOL
>program.  If there is anyone out there who can spare a few minutes of their
>time and offer some tips on how I should proceed in completing the following
>program, I would be very appreciative.
>

[specs and code deleted]

With any luck your teacher will see this post...  Anyway, I'm about to leave
the house to go to work and do that sorta thing.  Why would I spend my time
doing it for nothing?

bill
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From: valdez_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Date calculation
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:36:46 NZST
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1992Oct12.190723.18610@tandem.com>, Don Nelson <nelson_don@comm.tandem.com> writes:

> Note that the subroutines given Leo Donnelly won't work for the year 2000.
> It is a leap year.  The routines figure that years divisible by 100 are
> not 
> leap years.  1900 was not and neither will 2100 be.  However, 2000 is.
> 
> Don Nelson
> COBOL Development, Tandem Computers, Inc
> ex-Chariman, CODASYL COBOL Committee
> nelson_don@comm.tandem.com

Yes, you're right. To anyone who's interested, the rule is that century years
are not leap years, except if they're also divisible by 400. That is, 2000 and
2400 and 2800 are all leap years but 2100, 2200, 2300, 2500, 2600, 2700, 2900,
etc. are not.
From: oecn_smith@mec.ohio.gov
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Another COBOL650 question
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:15:02 GMT
Reply-To: smith@leeca.oecn.ohio.gov
Organization: Metrop. Educ. Council, Columbus, OH

In article <1992Oct7.090051.2996@wkuvx1.bitnet>, smithjd@wkuvx1.bitnet (JASON_DONNELL_SMITH) writes:
> Could someone pleas post the exact FTP site and directory that
> contains the DPATH.COM for the compiler 650.  I only have e-mail
> access to FTP.  I got the compiler from wuarchive.wustl.edu does this
> site have the file?  I could not find it.
> -- 
> :=======================================================================:
> :2702 Industrial Dr. 161H			Thank you,              :
> :Bowling Green Ky 42101				Jason Smith             :
> :						SMITHJD@WKUVX1.BITNET   :
> :=======================================================================:

Try .../msdos/sysutil/dpath30.zip (I don't know the exact path to /msdos off
the top of my head) on wuarchive.wustl.edu

Bob Smith -- smith@leeca.oecn.ohio.gov
Lorain County Board of Education
Elyria, OH 
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: dlittle@sscvx1.ssc.gov (DENNIS LITTLE)
Subject: Re: Where to get LINKER ?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:15:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.111016.13355@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, int506z@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Jas writes...
>	
>	I am trying to use Cobol650 but there is no linker provided in the
>	zip file.
> 
>	Can someone please tell me where I can get it ?
> 
>	I would appreciate it very much.  Thanks.
> 
>	:)
> 
> 
>int506z@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au
> 
> 
I think it may be time for some FAQ's for this group as this (and very
probably some of the questions I've asked) are getting very common.  The linker
from most other languages and some versions of dos will work with the program.

me
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: Don Nelson <nelson_don@comm.tandem.com>
Subject: Re: Date calculation
X-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Oct 92 17:53:30 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:44:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.124836.25436@wisdom.bubble.org> Bill Cavanaugh,
bleys@wisdom.bubble.org writes:
>But the divide-by-four rule works with no special cases for 2000.  It's
>1900, 2100, etc. that we'd have to watch out for in our code.
>
>I might just put the code in for 2100 to scare people I work
>with...<chuckle>
>
>bill

The reason I mentioned it was that I noticed the routines throwing out
ones divisible by 100 (at least I think so -- maybe I should look again).
Anyhow, I recently had to write the code for the new date functions for
Tandem's COBOL compiler and it had to handle dates from 1601 to about
2400.  I had to put in all this stuff.

Don

(No clever sayings)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: brosgol@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu (Benjamin Brosgol)
Subject: Currency Symbol Localization
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 16:07:32 GMT

How does COBOL handle currency symbol localalization?  The COBOL
standard that I am familiar with allows a single-character replacement,
which works in places like the UK and Japan but which seems less than
satisfactory for multi-character symbols like "FF", "DM", etc.
Thanks in advance for any information that readers of this newsgroup
might have on this subject.

Ben Brosgol
Editor, Ada 9X Information Systems Annex
Internet: brosgol@ajpo.sei.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: lacs@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Lacombe Serge)
Subject: windowing syntax in MFcobol 3.0
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 19:32:56 GMT


I would like to know if the windowing syntax initially released in
Micro Focus Cobol rev. 1.3 is still supported in the rev 3.0.
 
I'm refering to:
 
       display window
              at line nn column mm size xx lines yy
              reverse boxed centered title is " T I T L E"
              pop-up area is .......
 
       close window ......
 
       display box at ......
 
thanks.
 
Serge Lacombe,
Universite de Montreal,
lacs@eole.ere.umontreal.ca
From: dlittle@sscvx1.ssc.gov (DENNIS LITTLE)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: More Cobol650 questions
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:50:00 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

Just when you thought it was safe to look at your computer... I'm back.
I've managed to get the cobol 6.50 compiler to make object code for 3 programs
which now need to be linked together... I've seen where some have gotten a 
linker to work, but I'm getting errors from a dos 3.1 linker and from the
linker included with Quick Basic 4.5... the following is what's coming from the
Quick Basic Linker.

Cobol650.lib((bufmgt): error l2025: secure: symbol defined more than once
	This one I know what is but I'm not sure how to solve.

cobol 650.lib(trf86):error l2002: fixup overflow at 0144 in segment pos: 7d3d
		Record type 9c
		Target External 'secure'
cobol650.lib(isam86)  "      "      "       "       1352  "    "     "  a69f    
		same record type and target external
  "           "                  "                  1358    "           a6ab
    "              "                 "              135e    "           a6b7

I'm not sure what the last 4 are or how to correct them and am taking any
suggestions... I know the program works under MS Cobol 2.0 but it only makes
pseudo-object code which requires a runtime compiler and if it matters, the 
programs are the following sizes.

			source			obj

main		114619			32540
login		10812			6201
load		13044			6363
secure		21623			10868

load is a seperate program used to load the initial data files and the other
3 are the program and its called routines...

me
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: Don Nelson <nelson_don@comm.tandem.com>
Subject: Re: Currency Symbol Localization
Organization: Tandem Computers
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.0
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 18:53:40 GMT

The Standard does not handle it other than the way you mention.  That is,
with single character substitution.  The COBOL Standards group is
currently
working on allowing substitution of multiple characters.  I have written a
proposal on this and there is currently another one under discussion.  I
figure that there will be something defined within a year and it should
be in
the next standard (1995 or thereabouts).

Don Nelson
COBOL Development, Tandem Computers, Inc
ex-Chariman, CODASYL COBOL Committee
nelson_don@comm.tandem.com
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Date calculation
From: valdez_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 17 Oct 92 16:42:56 NZST
 <1992Oct12.190723.18610@tandem.com> <1992Oct14.115134.18885@wisdom.bubble.org>
Organization: Welligton City Council, Public Access.
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

> Aren't you thinking just little bit far ahead? It'd be a terrible thing if 
> software engineering stagnates to the point that code I'm writing in COBOL 
> today is still running in 2100 ad....          

One never knows, does one? There is a huge body of COBOL code out there, some
dating as far back as the 60's, and more is being produced each day. People
will probably be writing COBOL for may more years to come (although it will
probably not look like the COBOL of today).

And another thing, a lot of programs work with future dates and not with just
the current date e.g. banking and insurance applications.
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: vvdag@alliant1.lerc.nasa.gov (Don Georgevich)
Subject: Cobol help
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:22:06 GMT

Concerning a recent post of mine requesting help on a Cobol programming
 assignment has strangely been misinterpreted. I did not ask for anyone
to write my program, I only asked for some pointers on how to proceed.

I wouldn't take it if you did do it for me.  I have my pride and will
complete my assignment on my own.    

Thanks for nothing!

-don
From: adye@boi.hp.com (Alan Dye)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Where to get LINKER ?
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:02:35 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]

Jason Soo (int506z@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:
: 	
: 	I am trying to use Cobol650 but there is no linker provided in the
: 	zip file.
: 
: 	Can someone please tell me where I can get it ?

Jason,

There should be a linker in the DOS directory of your hard disc, but only
if you are running a release of MS-DOS 4.01 or earlier.  It appears that
Microsoft doesn't feel like including one with the old DOS anymore.  I just
snagged a copy off of an older version of DOS.  If necessary, use the DOS
5.0 command 'setver' to tell the operating system to lie to the linker about
it's age.

Alan

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Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: ebrown@euclid.bgsu.edu (Erik Brown)
Subject: Cobol Compilers on PC's or Macintoshes?
Organization: Bowling Green State University, Computer Science
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 19:54:18 GMT

	I am investigating the availability of Cobol compilers on IBM's and 
Macintoshes.

	First of all, does anyone know if a 'MacCobol' exists and how I would get
a hold of it?

	I also would like input concerning compilers on the IBM platform.
(Quality, price, windows-ready, etc.)

                           Thanks,

				Erik Brown
				<ebrown@andy.bgsu.edu>
From: msm@cbnews.cb.att.com (melanie.s.maher)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Re: The Science of Ironing
Summary: Try Nancy's Notions
Date: 13 Oct 92 15:10:01 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Nancy's Notions has a video and accompanying booklet called Fuse,
Press, Success! or something like that which has information on
fusible interfacings, and how to press different types of materials.
I always buy just the booklet, which costs about $3.00 and find it
pretty good. Also, I'm almost sure I saw a book advertised in Sew
News once about pressing techniques. I'll check a couple back issues
when I can.

While we're on this subject, let me throw my .02 in. A couple of
years ago, I started using some of the pressing techniques I read
somewhere....I'm sorry, I can't really remember where...it might
have been some of the Palmer & Pletsch books. Anyway, the difference
in my work was immediately obvious! In particular my husband's
shirts. The collars and cuffs were really professional looking, in
fact, better than some of the ready to wear shirts I've seen. And
they continued to look good through many washings. 

Mel
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: jael@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jael)
Subject: Re: Fabriholics: my story
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 06:41:15 GMT

Just be sure to BUY those fabrics when they jump out at you...I saw a 
BEAUTIFUL raw silk at Wal-Mart for $4.00/yard, but didn't buy it thinking I'd
have nothing to do with it.  Of course I've now come up with a million uses
for natural-colored raw silk, AND IT'S GONE!!!!!!!  ARRRGGGHHH!!!!

(I know, I know, this doesn't help at all. :-)  )

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