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From: kanumury@slcs.slb.com (Mahesh Kanumury)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: "Rebuilding India - Options & Actions", Sangam & NEIPA Talk
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:05:31 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.indian
Organization: Schlumberger Laboratory for Computer Science



                  New England Indian Professional Association

			     Presentation Series


       A Panel Discussion on "Rebuilding India: Options and Actions"
       _____________________________________________________________


    Sangam, the MIT Indian student association, and the New England Indian
    Professional Association (NEIPA) will be organizing a panel discussion 
    on "Rebuilding India: Options and Actions".  The panelists and their
    focus of discussion include:


               "Economic and Strategic Options Facing India" 
			       Anirudh Dhebar
    Anirudh Debhar is an Associate Professor at the Harvard Business 
    School.  He holds a doctoral degree in Engineering-Economic 
    Systems from Stanford University.  His research interests include 
    technology change and product policy.


          "Operational and Business Management in a Rebuilt India"
			    Ranganath Nayak
    Ranganath Nayak is a Sr. Vice President, Arthur D. Little Inc and 
    heads the company's operations management consulting practice. 
    He holds a doctoral degree in Mechanical Engineering from MIT.


           "India: Prospects for the Economy under Deregulation"
                             Gustav Papanek
    Gustav Papanek is the Director of Asian Program and a Professor
    of Economics at the Boston University.  He received his doctoral
    degree in Economics from Harvard.  His research interests include
    poverty and the role of government in south asia.


           "Institutional & Social Approaches to Rebuilding India"
		             Biswapriya Sanyal
    Biswapriya Sanyal is a Professor of Urban Planning at MIT.  He holds
    a doctoral degree from the Department of Regional Planning at UCLA.
    His research interests include urban employment and policy options
    in developing countries.
			 


When:   April 12, 1992, 3-5 PM

Venue:  MIT Rm. 6-120


Further Info:  
    Mahesh Kanumury                             Viswanathan Krishnan
    NEIPA, P.O.Box 1345                         550 Memorial Drive #22F
    Waltham MA 02254                            Cambridge, MA 02138
    (508)-671-9978                              (617)-225-2683
    kanumury@blaca1.sinet.slb.com               krish@athena.mit.edu


			       ALL ARE WELCOME
From: bajajk@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Test message, please ignore....
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:15:47 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia

This is a test message, please ignore it.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.nepal,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: ali@tcs.com (Ali Ishtiaq)
Subject: Re: gay/lesbian issues in s asian community
Organization: Teknekron Communications Systems Inc.
Distribution: nj
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 02:06:23 GMT

In article <NAEEM.92Apr11131853@occs.cs.oberlin.edu>, naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
|> In article <16519@ulysses.att.com> kgh@ulysses.att.com (Krishna G. Hegde) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> 			  Heterosexism and Gay/Lesbian Issues 
|> 				    within the
|> 
|> 				South Asian Community
|> ------
|> 
|> Other resource for this issue include: Trikone, south asian lesbian gay assoc.
|> in San francisco[?]. They have their own magazine and also brought out a short
|> documentary called "Trikone [Triangle]"

The address of Trikone is :
Trikone
P.O. Box 21354
San Jose, CA 95151
(408) 270-8776

Trikone magazine is published 4 times a year from the same group. I am not
aware of Trikone documentary but I know that BBC did a documentary on South
Asian Gays and Lesbians which interviewed primarily Trikone people, including
a gay man from Bangladesh.

Shuveccha
From: vnk5651@tamsun.tamu.edu (K V N Gopal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: glimpses into telugu classics
Keywords: Telugu classics,Potana,Bhagavatam
Date: 14 Apr 92 03:39:38 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

This is for all those who enjoy reading Telugu classics and poetry.I have
been recently going through my collection of selected padyams from Telugu
classics and would like to share them for with all lovers of Telugu poetry
I will start with some padyams from Potana's Bhagavatam .The padyams in this
are  soaked in Bhakti rasa reflecting the nature of the poet.Potana's poetry
is very musical and even the long passages of prose are remarkably rhythmic
and they can be enjoyed for their sheer lyrical beauty.

  Some of the memorable passages are   
(1) Prahalada's unshakable faith in Vishnu
(2) Gajendra moksham
(3) Vishnu appearing as Vamana before Bali
(4) Bhishma's praise of SriKrishna,as the great warrior lies on the bed of
     arrows.
 etc.

On his inspiration for the work

palikeDidi bhAgavatamaTa palikencheDi vibhuDu rAmabhadruDaTa ne
palikina bhavahara magunaTa palikeda veronDu gAdha palukanela

In the following lines Bhishma says that Sri Krishna who in order to save
Arjuna rushes with his chakra to kill Bhishma is the only refuge to him-so
great is his adoration of Sri Krishna

  Kuppinchi yegasina kunDalambula kAnti gaganabhAgambella gappigonaga
  nurikina norvaka nudarambulo nunna jagamula vreguna jagati gadala
   jakrambu jepatti chanudenchu rayamuna bainunna pachchaTi paTamujAra
  nammiti nAlAvu nagubAtu seyaka mannimpumani kreedi marala diguva

  gariki langhinchu simhambu karani merasi
  neDu bhishmuni jampudu ninnu gatu
  niDuvumarjuna yanuchu madvisikhavrishti derali
  chanudenchu devunDu dikku nAku

Prahlada's adoration of Vishnu
   
  mandAra makaranda mAdhuryamuna delu madhupambu vovune madanamulaku
  nirmala mandAkini veechikaladooga rayanchu chanune taranginulaku
  lalitha rasAla pallava khAdiyai chokku koyila serune kutajamulaku 
  boornendu chandrikA sphurita chakorika marugune sAndraneeharamulaku

        ambujodaru divya pAdAravinda
        chintanAmruta pAna vishesha maththa
        chiththa mereeti niratambu jera serchu
         vinuta gunaseela! maTalu veyanela?

Gajendra Moksham
 
   aDigedanani kaDuvaDi janu naDigina danumaguDa
      naDugaDani naDayaDugun veDa
      veDasiDimuDi taDabaDu, naDugiDu
      naDugiDadu jaDima naDugiDa neDalan
 
The above four lines are composed in a rthymic manner indicating Lakshmi's
anxiety to Know where her Lord is going in such haste.Lakshmi hurries after
Vishnu anxious to ask him where he is rushing to,but hesitates to question
him as she knows he is in no mood to reply.She follows him with faltering
footsteps.

(to be continued)

K.V.N.Gopal

                   
    






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Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:14265 soc.rights.human:1406
From: budaraju@cae.wisc.edu (Srinivas Budaraju)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.rights.human
Subject: Urgent Appeal - Justice Bains Arrested and Beaten
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:58:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Apr13.165831.2265
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison


        ******************************************
        *   JUSTICE BAINS ARRESTED AND BEATEN    *
        ******************************************
 
   The information below has been abstracted from the Amnesty
International's Urgent Appeal.
 
    Ajit Singh Bains, human rights activist and retired judge of Punjab
and Haryana High Court arrested on April 3, 1992 at 10:30 a.m. in
Chandigarh.  Reportedly he was taken to Sector 11 Police Station,
Chandigarh and from there to Ropar Police Station.  Although his arrest
was first denied by Senior Superintendant of Police of Ropar District,
he was reportedly produced before the Deputy Commissioner of Ropar on
Saturday April 4.  Several witnesses report that Justice Bains was
brought handcuffed by members of the police and para military forces to
his house in Chandigarh on Sunday April 5 and his house was searched
but he was taken away after the search by the police.

    At 12:00 a.m. the following day April 6, his wife, Mrs. Rachpal Kaur
Bains was able to see her husband Justice Bains for 5 minutes in
Anandpur Sahib Police Station, Ropar District.  He reportedly complained
to her that he had been beaten shortly after his arrest.  The police
apparently showed her three FIR which allegedly referred to his arrest
with several others under the TADA in connection with recent speeches
made at a Sikh religious event on March 15 in Anandapur Sahib.  Justice
Bains's name however does not appear on this FIR.  A habeas corpus
petition was filed by his son on April 6 and the Punjab High Court has
reportedly ordered that Justice Bains be produced before them on
Wednesday April 8.
    
	Please note that Justice Bains is the Chairperson of the Punjab
Human Rights Organization and has personally addressed India Alert in
summer 1988.  Please share this with friends and others concerned with
human rights violations in India.
 
    People who want to send telegrams can do so by calling WorldLink at
800-435-2827 and sending the message number: INDIA ALERT JUSTICE BAINS.
The message is addressed to Governor of Punjab.  The cost is $6.50 and
can be charged to VISA or MC.
 
It reads: "Deeply concerned that Justice Ajit Singh Bains arrested April
3, 1992.  Urge that he have immediate access to lawyers and relatives.
Seek assurance that JUstice Bains is being treated humanely.  Urge
immediate release if he is not to be charged with recognizably criminal
offense."
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-Srinivas					budaraju@cae.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: siva@picasso.cssc-syd.tansu.oz.au (Siva Praba Brabakaran)
Subject: Re: soc.culture.tamil some suggestion
Organization: Telecom Australia
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 06:03:12 GMT

manu@tigger.Colorado.EDU (Njan) writes:

>In article <1992Apr14.164444.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> j0srin01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>	Hey!! Lets get a step further. How about Soc.culture.madras???!!!

>I think we should have a soc.culture.indian.your_language group... at least,
>soc.culture.indian.malayalam... hmm...  maybe we should start forming
>groups too... like malayalee student association or something? The Indian
>student associations are a waste of time, as I have found out myself...

>Njan

The soc.culture.tamil does not represent only indian tamils, so it will
not come under soc.culture.indian..


Praba
===============================================================================
            "ACTION RIGHTLY RENOUNCED BRINGS FREEDOM;
             ACTION RIGHTLY PERFORMED BRINGS FREEDOM;
             BOTH ARE BETTER THAN MERE SHUNNING OF ACTION"
                                                          - Baghavad Gita
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mmc@po.CWRU.Edu (Manish M. Chokshi)
Subject: test, ignore
Reply-To: mmc@po.CWRU.Edu (Manish M. Chokshi)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Distribution: oh
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 20:56:26 GMT


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-- 
Manish M. Chokshi			Email: mmc@po.cwru.edu
Phase II Medical Student		Voice: 216-791-8815
Case Western Reserve University
__________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rps@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (raj.sharma)
Subject: Re: Amnesty Intl. Rept.: police torture
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:56:58 GMT


> >> What I find particularly interesting, is the deafening silence which
> >> always follows these factual postings. The vocal flamers of AI, studiously
> >> ignore these posts, and then it's time for the  next round of AI bashing a
> >> few months later.
> >> 
> >> Evidently, facts are an undesirable hindrance...



> >Or, the undesirable hinderance is a fact.


> And, what on earth is that supposed to mean?


	What it means is: things don't always go the way we wish.
	

---raj
From: random@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Quantum Mechanics)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: to be announced
Date: 10 Apr 92 00:47:04 GMT
Reply-To: random@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Quantum Mechanics)
Distribution: austin
Originator: random@dumbo.cc.utexas.edu


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From: rmv@ukc.ac.uk (RAJ)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: thamiL_sangam --- rules reposted
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:15:02 GMT
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.


As quite a few netters have requested to post the (thamiL_sangam) rules again .
I am posting it to the net once again .
                  
                    anbudan 
                      raj

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Following my last item , reguarding "creativity - thamiL vocabulary"
I received  very  encouraging responses . Thaks to ALL .

	So it is right time to get started ( as "selvaraj" suggested) .

But before , let us have some common rules & regulations , so as to avoid future
confusions.

collection
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1) during the 1st week of each month 3 words ( in a non_thamiL language ) will 
be collected ie . the 1st 3 words suggested by the netters will be  chosen.

2) on the 7th of each month I  will post those 3  words

3) during the 2nd week the equivalent thamiL words will be collected .
   
4) on the 14th of each month I will post the 1st 10 (or less - if I donot 
receive 10 words ) eqivalent  words   for each non_thamiL word 

5) during the 3rd & 4th weeks we will have some sort of  "voting"

6) on the last day of each month I will post the thamiL words
   that  won tha MAX number of votes .


 

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practice
--------

To avoid  the " dumping"   of words in the net , the participants
are requested to send all the words to me .
		If the number of mails become too big to handle
then I will request for some volunteers to share  my responsibilty .

         Please keep your mails to me as short as possible .

Let us start with English words (  = non_thamiL) first .



To make the search , within the net easier , I will post all the relavant items
under the heading   thamiL_sangam .

                    ---------------


 As the first week for this month is almost over , I will appreaciate
some quick responses . So that we can start with it quickly .

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I remind you the the new thamiL_words  sent must( rather -- preferably)

1) thamiL like
2) quite short
3) appeal to many ( quite obvious)





      I hope I have not missed out anything  OR left any ambiguity .
If so mail me as soon as possible .




I once again remind you , please send the "items" to me .




	Raj
From: pavan@cs.umn.edu (A.Pavan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: INDIAN MEN and MARRIAGE
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:07:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr8.170737.7749
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <1992Apr8.165436.25605@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> gchacko@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (George W Chacko) writes:
>In article <MdslsbC00WB4A47nNT@andrew.cmu.edu> sn00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sudha Neelakantan) writes:
>>My $0.02 worth:
>>My gripe is that Indian men are really too difficult to date.  They
>>have a major attitude problem where women are either idealized
>>goddesses or whores
>>I see this as a far greater barrier to falling in love and marrying
>>someone than anything else.
>>This is of course in my limited experience
>
>In my limited experience many Indian  women for the most part are depressing 
>creatures. Especially the so called liberated/modern/politically aware/.... 
>ones. They frequently expres the most appalling bovine  characteristics.
>
>If one was to merge your experiences with mine it would seem that the tale
>of the Indian race is a sorry one. :-)
>
>
>George

In my experience, some women/girls who live their life around harping about
feminism, liberation and so on, tend to have a appaling sense of insecurity.
Maybe all this works as a protective shield for some for their own
inseurities. Mind you, I am saying that I have met a few girls who fall under
this category. I am NOT saying that all women are like this. Just that to some
it is a matter of vengeance rather than an idealogy.

Regards,

Pavan
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Organization: Software Development, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 11:13:01 -0400 
From: "Sohan C. Ramakrishna-Pillai" <sohan+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Lets start a controversial topic
	<1992Apr16.064608.6068@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.indian: 16-Apr-92 Re: Lets start a
controvers.. Mr Controversial @uxa.cs (998)
> 	I didn't mean that hindi should be forced but something should be
> 	done so that most of the peoples in India accepts hindi as the national
> language. For example some special benefits can be given to non-hindi
> 	speaking people trying to learn hindi and that sorts of
> things.Something should be done. It is a matter of shame that we don't
> have a national language.


Another *NATIONAL HUMILIATION* like the fact that all Indians are not
Hindus, I suppose. Anyway, I do feel that Mr.Controversial's idea of a
language tax on all Hindi speakers to help non-Hindi-speakers who are
*trying* to learn Hindi is a splendid one. :-)
___
Sohan C. Ramakrishna-Pillai
Office: UCC 181	Phone: x6406 [(412)268-6406]

Remember: Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: Politics of Infiltration: Rebuttal
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:08:20 GMT

>Your rebuttal is for some point which is way off the focus of the
>article. The article is not about the harrassment of Hindus in
>Bangladesh, but about the illegal infiltration of aliens (Both
>Muslim and Hindu Bangladeshis) into India, with sometimes active
>connivance and support of the local Indian authorities who are
>being propelled by their own political exigencies.
>
>This infiltration MUST be STOPPED. If it is unacceptable for
>Rohingyas to move into Bangladesh, why is any thing wrong in preventing
>a 10-times bigger influx into India - and that too in a situation
>where the influx is bound to create a socio-economic-political
>tension in not too distant future.
>
>
>---raj
You did not answer his main point: how is it different from Hispanics flooding
USA. There is only two soln. Completely seal off the border( practically
impossible; extravagant costs; increases more nepotism)
Completely open the border (Check only for arms etc.):Way to go

Arindam

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: jon_sree@world.std.com (Jon Sreekanth)
Subject: Re: College students in third-world India
Organization: The World
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:25:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.191729.24012@intelhf.hf.intel.com> kumarr@ivan.intel.com (Kumar Ranganathan) writes:




   The following article appeared in the Wall Street Journal in 1982. Much of it
   is as relevant today if not more.

   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
   In Third-World India, College Students Study Humanities, Not Skills
   -------------------------------------------------------------------


   It's a ponderous system. Calcutta's economics syllabus hasn't changed since
   1975...

   India, ancient as civilization itself, is suspicious of change, and its
   smothering bureaucracy is resistant to it. Many students, too, oppose a shift
   to more practical studies. "Withdraw job-oriented education," demands a sign
   plastered in a Presidency College stairway.

   So in this developing country, Calcutta doesn't even have a program in rural
   development. There isn't a course in small-business administration, even though
   small businesses turn out countless products from fabric to steel....


_Never mind_ which university came first. Jeez. All 4 or 5 followups
to this message picked up on a minor nit, but ignored the major
thrust of the article. 

I can sort of relate to ancient text books. Back in the mid-80's,
when most of the world had already forgotten about them, students at some 
engineering colleges were still solemnly answering "essay type 
questions" on vacuum tubes and such. It's pretty sad. 

Just why do U Calcutta students not want more "job-oriented" courses ? 

/ Jon Sreekanth

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: iyengar@Panda1.UOttawa.CA (Giri Iyengar)
Subject: INFO WANTED REGARDING FINANCIAL AID
Keywords: graduate studies financial aid financial status
Organization: Computing & Comm. Services, University of Ottawa
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 15:00:30 GMT

Hi netters,
I am posting this article for a friend who does not have access to newsgroups.
Please reply to him directly. 
-giri (iyengar@aix1.uottawa.ca)
----------------------------CUT HERE------------------------------------------

Hi Netters,

I would like to get some information regarding some schools. My friend who is
in Civil Engg. at REC Trichy got admissions at University of Clemson, Arizona
State University, University of Colarado at Boulder, University of Idaho at
Moscow, but absolutely with NO AID or NO TUTION FEE WAIVER. At this point,
I want to know, how hard it is to get any aid, say after first semester. As
I am in Canada, I know that students cannot do any off-campus jobs here.
How is the situation there. Can a student find any employment on or off
campus jobs easily? I want to know the degree of difficulty a student faces
in these circumstances, specially in Civil engg. Some suggestions or advice
welcome. Can someone at these or other universities enlighten us about the
situation? Thanx a lot. Please reply to me directly.

-Sudhakar, Ganti.
e-mail: ganti@trix.genie.uottawa.ca (Internet)
        ganti@uotelg01.bitnet (bitnet)

PS: I was a graduate student and worked as research engineer at ACES, IIT
Kanpur during the years 1980-1988. If any one out there remember me, can
also contact me at the above address.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: trivedi@rabi.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi)
Subject: Re: (I)Muslim situation in India
Organization: Enrico Fermi Institute, University of Chicago.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:55:38 GMT

In article <sdt5Uri00iQCATCUZ7@andrew.cmu.edu> "Arun K. Gupta" <ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>[The following is taken from "The Muslim Situation in India",
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>edited by Iqbal Ansari,  which is a publication of a seminar
>held by the Institute of Objective Studies 
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, right. I too have a bridge to sell.  :-)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ksircar@mtholyoke.edu ( *T*)
Subject: Asimov
Organization: Mount Holyoke College
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:52:18 GMT

I know a lot of Indians are SciFi fans...
I am sorry to post the news that Isaac Asimov died on the morning of
April 6th. He was 72 (is that correct?). 
I am a fan of SciFi, and truly enjoyed his books/stories...he was a pioneer
of SciFi and Fantasy as we knwo it today, and simply a great artist. 
							*T*

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