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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: cage is dead
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 04:37:01 GMT

In article <MAILQUEUE-101.920813191255.352@125law1.law.ucla.edu> FRANK@LAW.UCLA.EDU writes:
>I can't say I am sad over his passing.  While he may have been
>profoundly influential I fear that his music, and the music of those
>whom he profoundly influenced, will be as dead as he is in the
>not to distant future.
>
>I guess you could say his style was not my cup of tea.

And this is from someone who would want to play in the Dave Clark Five?
Talk about deadsville.   Do you still get their albums free with 20
gallons of Purple Martin Ethyl?

Cage's music is not going to be entertaining on a mass level,  but he
pushed forth some notions on art and music that people are not going to
ignore.  I think once the genie is out of the bottle, it has already
made an influence from which there is no going back.  

Cage on the purpose of music:  "is an affirmation of life - not an
attempt to bring order out of chaos nor to suggest improvements in
creation, but simply a way of waking up to the very life we're living,
which is so excellent once one gets one's mind and one's desires out of
the way and lets it act of its own accord".

Jeff


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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:28:19 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      back to music

a few things to ponder:

(1) If you had ypur choice of playing in any band past/present who
    would it be or would you rahter front your own.

(2) Think hard on this one, what do you think of Chet Atkins also
    do you own any of his stuff

(3) on a scale of 1 to 10 how important is music in your life

(4) Which instrument besides the one you play would you like to
    play
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:17:47 EDT
From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: more zorn...
              13 Aug 1992 18:49:04 GMT from <ujwb@UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU>

Hey Jeff --

   Thanks for the Zorn interview. The guy's fascninating.
   After I read it I got a sudden urge to play tunes on my duck whistle.

   Rick
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:10:12 EDT
From:         jcs <GE777009@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Billy the Grammy hopeful

>        I can't stand it. I'm minding my own business and suddenly I've got
>Billy Bob's voice in my head singin' and oooooing about that achy heart of his
>(don't you hate when that happens??? Make  STOP!!!!) At least he might be a
>little more acceptable to country fans if he'd wear boots. A radio station here
>in Dallas is having a petition drive to have him wear boots when he comes here
>in concert.......yeah, that'll help! :-}
>
>Susan

Here's an idea. How about a petition to get him to wear JUST boots
at his next concert, and nothing else. Just boots, and a microphone,
of course. a big microphone.  oh, and a holster. Yeah, boots,
microphone and holster. what more could you need.

oh. talent would help.

but who needs talent when you have the # one billboard hit, and
a big microphone as well?

jcs "rock critic"
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:25:48 EDT
From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject: Re: Here comes the political stuff again...
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              "AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU" at Aug 13, 92 1:39 pm

>Gary:
>
>Tell me more. NOT!
>
>In other words.  Keep your comments to youself or talk all about it if you
>want to on FREETALK.

	Aww lighten up. I was only funnin' with ya!

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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 12:07:00 GMT
From:         Eddy Higgins <SCCS6068@IRUCCVAX.UCC.IE>
Subject:      Re: ENYA / bodhran

Firstly, about ENYA and Clannad ...

Clannad made award winning soundtracks for film / TV also, namely Harry's
Game and Robin of Sherwood (Or some other name like that - a BBC serial about
the tree swinging hoodlum-goodguy)

Secondly, about bodhran playing
 firstly note the spelling; strictly there should also be an accent. Also if
someone is serious about learning it, they would do well to listen to the Irish
group De Dannan (pron. Day Dannan). The bodhran palyer, whose name escapes me
right now, is one of the very best in the country.
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 12:05:23 EDT
From:         Sonia Kovitz <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Seriously
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              "gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL" at Aug 13, 92 11:36 am

>
> Compare this to the metal@metal heavy metal discussion list. They trade
> cuss words and birthday wishes back and forth, while managing to sneak in
>
BIRTHDAY WISHES???????  You've destroyed my faith in heavy metal forever.

So as to avoid a one-line reply (uncertain as to the fine print of the one-line
ruling), here's a favorite quote by James Brown:

"I probably had some years-old African beat in my brain.  But that was pure
Georgia clay on my feet."
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 08:07:56 EDT
From:         AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU
Subject: Re: come monday
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I think the music industry can tell who is lip-sync and who isn't.  The Milli
Vinni act tells all.  Besides; if there anyone who is still lip-sync it is not
Country Music singers or Billy Rae.
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From: ujwb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Beer)
Subject: Re: sinead
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:45:38 GMT

In article <ALLMUSIC%92082015121239@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET> writes:
>Just curious what are your thoughts on her STAR SPANGLED BANNER ordeal
>at wherever she was performing. Would you have met her demands ?

Well, knowing how well she sings in tune, it probably would have come
off more like Rosanne Barre, and she would have got more heat for that.

so take your pick.

it is your choice.

Jeff


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Date:         Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:56:40 EDT
From:         Michelle May <MAMAY@WAYNEST1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Thoughts on Prince
              19 Aug 1992 16:26:00 EST from <gmgettie@THAMA1.APGEA.ARMY.MIL>

HA!!HA!!

Gary--I don't blame you for poking(no pun intended) at Prince's "ass cheeks"
However, there are a lot of good musicians with questionable fashion tastes. .
.

Michelle
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Date:         Fri, 14 Aug 1992 07:35:59 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      re: WHERE y'ALL AT
              13 Aug 1992 16:46:07 CDT from <U19807@UICVM.UIC.EDU>

On Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:46:07 CDT <U19807@UICVM.UIC.EDU> said:
>In article <ALLMUSIC%92081311251807@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>, "Leonard Watkins"
><ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET> says:
>>
>You're 32 and you're still posting this sort of reply to public Email
>
 I did not say i've been posting for 32 yrs i spent the first few abusing
  diapers. What i'm getting at is i'm new i'm trying to obey thr rules that
  NETUS (the god of nets) has put forth , it's plea  for help I believe that
  friends are one of the most important thigs is life be them netters or
  others, my point is if you want to flame at least give me some info
  on how i bunch up replies (you go to admit i'm doing better) one day i'll
  the a prodigy like yourself
>Problem is,I'm not talking "all big and bad". I'm just getting sick and tired
>of people using this list to send brief messages back and forth when such
>brief (and some of them were only one line in length-I mean,come _on_!)
>messages could be better handled via a straight address-to-address correspon-
>dence.
>
>You do seem to be awful defensive,about this,BTW. I wasn't like I threatened
>to kill your dog or something...
 I don't mean do be defensive but i'll not be a doormat for somr puedo-intellec
tual either

>>but i enjoy the group and won't to obey the rules (i'm a republican)
>
>Your,uh,political convictions don't enter into this. I don't even know why
>you'd bring 'em up.
 a fellow brought up lee atwater the other day where were you i didn't hear
 you reply to him and with all the tipper gore crap that's been said on
 hear i never heard you make the same comment, any way that was a joke
 (look it up in the dictionary) and maybe try a discount store to get a sense
 of humour, so there's either some reson you like to try and bother me
 it's not working, try harder if you like or realize that your not the
only one on this list and some people a not deputy fife clones

>me (or anyone else) to adhere to a different set of rules than you do.
 If i send this privately i would have missed talking with such a personality
plus person like your self, if this in any way offends you....good
you deserve it
>
  Thanks L. Watkins (one of the nicest, caring people you'll ever meet
                    ( but i'll be no-ones doormat, but ebveryone's friend)

  I hope your P.M.S subsides, have yoy tried midol.


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>      ** U19807@UICVM.BITNET  * sity of Illinois at Chicago.   **
>      ** u19807@uicvm.uic.edu * So there. Nyaah.               **
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Date:         Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:34:23 EDT
From:         Gary Hanley <ghanley@DG-WEBO.WEBO.DG.COM>
Subject: Re: Here comes the political stuff again...
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              "AISARMSTRONG%IST%VMI@IST.VMI.EDU" at Aug 13, 92 1:26 pm

>What does politics have to do with music anyway?

	Your obviously new to this list.

>I have just heard who some of the nomaties are for the CMA awards and my I
>tell you that Billy Rae Cyrus got nomated 5 times for Achy Breaky Heart.  When
>I get the complete list of nomaties I will let you know.

	Yeah, get back to me on that - NOT! :)

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    Gary Hanley
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Date:         Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:16:12 CDT
From:         "Leonard Watkins" <ISTS024@UABDPO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: murky thoughts

On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:50:37 EDT Tim Johnson said:
>>Leonard's Deep Thoughts:

>thoughts.  Though this is almost certain to result in
>a long reply from the man himself filled with run-on
>sentences and lame insults, I'll say my piece.

for the record i'll never insult anyone else in this group regardless of what
they say about me or my tastes and i apologize that ya'll have that opinion
of me and i know i brought it on myself. As for the deep thought i guess
you would have had to be-there so to speak when this stupid thought was
originated or maybe i didn't convey what i was trying to say. Either way
i apologize for tying up the net with a stupid question, and i'll work
on my run-on sentences thanks for responding..have a nice day
I believe you misunderstood my thoughts (not a hard thing to do)
>
>                               -Tim
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:17:08 EDT
From:         Walter Keller <WK7@CORNELLC.BITNET>
Subject:      Blues

Leonard - I dig your blues postings, and would like to ask you what more
you may know about Vala Culp, and Carol Fram.

As to the Fleetwood Mac boxed set, I haven't seen it yet, but I wonder if
it includes the Black Magic Woman album, and also the one where they play
with Otis Spann ? I have both these albums, but they're getting old and
frayed (like me). I don't have the Fleetwood Mac in Chicago or whatever
album where they play with alot of Chicago greats. If this is included too,
then I think this boxed set is necessary (even if I have to pimp my cat for
money - and he's a clipped male, so it won't be easy). Later

I have a few blue reviews fer y'all when I can get myself to sit down and write
 all the stuff I want to tell you guys about. I'll try this weekend. Bye
                                                        ... walt ...

"Yeah he was a big thing baby, I tell ya he was a huge thing,
 But he was my best friend don't you know"
    ...Otis Spann  from"O. Spann w/Fleetwood Mac - The Biggest Thing Since
       Colossus"
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From:         "OUT,
              OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-OUT..." <OLIVOTTO@ITNCISCA.BITNET>
Subject: Re: THEORY

crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM> says:

>Let me make one thing perfectly clear as Tricky Dickson used to say.
>IMHO you absolutely have to know basic harmony and you have to know it
>so deeply that when you throw it away for freer improvisation, it's still
>there in the background.

        Yes, I subscribe completely. A background is necessary -- otherwise
one might simply put his hands on the keyboard (or fretboard, or whatever
instruments) and play "jazz" simply by sticking some weird notes in the
standard chords. Which is not true, whatever side you look at it.
        But, on the other side, we should realise that "harmony" is a very
weird concept. I happen to have a book here :) written by Giorgio Gaslini,
possibly the most famous and influent Italian jazz musician: well, he's
very straight in dividing harmony in at least two fields -- classical har-
mony and jazz harmony. What he calls "classical harmony" is more or less
that set of rules which tell, e.g., that two voices shouldn't move along
an interval of fifth; or, even worse, an octave away. There are prescrip-
tions about resolutions, about assonance and dissonance, and so on.
        Jazz simply ignores, or at least changes, some of these rules. Its
structure is much freer. And I remember a famous pianist say that often,
when an orchestra must play something like "Rhapsody In Blue" by Gershwin
(which is more or less considered "classical music"), the clarinet players
have to be borrowed from the world of jazz, because classical musicians
usually do not know how to play those wild glissandos or, at least, their
performance is not so satisfactory.
        This is an opinion, of course, and not even mine. But I believe it
gives a hint of the enormous complexity of this subject; and, also, that
a line between classical music and jazz should be drawn. Hell, maybe a dot-
ted line, but it actually draws itself... :)

        Ciao, Marco "how strange my body feels impaled upon the arrow"
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From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Subject: Re: The Fabulous Sequel
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 05:46:21 GMT


In a previous article, SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET (David Malbuff) says:

>On Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:35:53 EDT MHB said (among other things):

>>Marijuana: one of my faves, a mood enhancer which also potentiates imagination.
>>Does interesting things to your time sense-- paradoxically, the notorious time
>>dilation effect sometimes makes you play slower, so you can really groove on
>>the texture between the beats; cf. reggae and too many Grateful Dead live sets.
>>But things that might generally be considered too boring for words become real
>>absorbing after a spliff or two-- in my case, hardcore Soho minimalism :-)

> Better for listening than for playing, I've found. Hard to keep any
> kind of edge going. In fact, the whole idea of keeping an "edge" seems
> incredibly ridiculous when you're stoned. :-)

  Also it seems to be better for creating than the actual performance
end. You might fumble a little when you're stoned, but the ideas that
somehow come out of your gourd can be real revelations.

> The problem here is that it becomes very hard to stay focused. That may
> not be a problem if you're composing/experimenting, but as far as any
> attempt at performance goes, beware! The rules don't apply. Might as
> well make sure everyone else in the band is as high as you are. I can
> still remember the time I sat down to play my guitar, looked at the
> clock and it said quarter to three, hit one chord, listened to it ring,
> looked at the clock again and it was ten past five.

  And then, the wall took a deep breath, and the clock went away!  ;)
Well said on the focus thing, David.

> Also, the addictive nature of the stuff means you'll spend less and less
> time playing music.

  I never could figure out people's fascination with this stuff. That
kind of money is better spent on music gear, especially for all the buzz
there is to be had for free!  Thrifty shoppers just say "no" to blow.

  And as you can see, these folks who have tried these evil drugs 
definitely represent a threat to family values. HA! 

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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From:         David Malbuff <SPGDAM@UCCVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Bass World (was: Friday thoughts)

Adam sez:
>
>My own little question... We've had several DRUM WARS and GUITAR WARS.. One
>instrument which has been neglected is the bass. Who do you all think are
>the real BASSMASTERS? Two that come immediately to mind for me are Victor
>Wooten (w/Bela Fleck & the F-Tones) and Tony Levin.
>
>-Adam (Getting down to bassics)

Yeah, the bass has been neglected a lot. They used to tell me, "Go stand
in the back. Yeah. Way back there, next to the drum kit. Right. We don't
care if you can sing. Just stay out of sight and play one and three."
I always thought it was my looks.

To me, electric bass playing- the only kind I'm really qualified to
comment on- begins (and damn near ends) with THE MAN, the late James
Jamerson. Even today, his phrasing, his humor, his unparalleled sense of
anticipation, all of it stands unexcelled. After god knows how many
listens, I still get inspiration from him.

Other greats from the recent past all owe a debt to him- Duck Dunn, Rick
Danko, even John Entwistle. Bootsy Collins, in the original James Brown
band, came up about the same time as Jamerson, and he was funky.

Current players that impress me include the guy from Primus, he really
gets a lot out of his axe. What's his name? I forget. Oh, Les Claypool.
And Flea from the Chili Peppers is very good. Mike Mills of R.E.M. is
an excellent player; listen to him on "These Days". I'm very impressed
with Bill Laswell, though I need to hear more. And Melvin Gibbs of the
Sonny Sharrock Band (and what else? Anyone know?) (there's the S.S.
connection again) is great. Busta Jones and Tony Saunders and that
whole slap thing, although it's become a cliche.

I always thought Clarke and Pastorius were greatly skilled players, but
the music they chose to do left me cold a lot of times. Alphonso Johnson
is good, he gets a lot of work.

I can't comment on metal bass players because I don't pay attention to
the genre enough.

For jazz, the names that I keep coming back to are Dave Holland and
Ron Carter. Oh, and Richard Davis.

Now that I send this post off, I'm sure I'll think of thirty more.

David
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Date:         Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:21:35 CDT
From:         crispen <crispen@EFFTOO.BOEING.COM>
Subject:      Pat Metheny Songbook
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About a year ago I remember seeing something called "The Pat Metheny
Songbook" in a magazine (of course, I don't remember which magazine :-(

I have never seen it since, and my friendly neighborhood music store
has never heard of such a thing.

Has anybody seen it?

Is it any good (I would prefer a fake book or a transcription to one
of those nasty "easy piano" things that are totally useless for learning
the harmonies and voices Pat uses)?

Anybody want to sell me one?

Bob Crispen
crispen@foxy.boeing.com
From: nancyl@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Nancy Lellenberg Bentrup)
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Subject: ENYA again
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:21:06 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Bob,
Sorry, I had no idea of your environment (software technologies) or I
wouldnt have been so hard on you. :)

Perhaps you could tell me a bit more about those groups you mentioned
since I'm not familiar with them, and expand my obviously limited horizons!

I hope we can put this all past us, and that you will feel free to babble
on about your musical tastes at every opportunity!  :)

Humor-impaired, but working on it,
nancy
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From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Subject: Re: fleck slide
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 04:33:05 GMT


In a previous article, R_GELINAS@UNHH.UNH.EDU (Russ Gelinas) says:

>    Caught Bela Fleck et. al. on the tube recently, I gotta catch them live!
>Fleck played *slide banjo*!  Never heard (or thought) of that before.  Sounded
>like a muted dobro, very nice.  UFO Tofu is my next purchase.

  I think Ken covered this already, but yeah, that's "Bonnie & Slyde,"
a disgustingly dry-witted pun referring to the fact that Bonnie Raitt
gave him a slide on her last European date earlier this year (Fleck &
the Fleckdudes opened for her on that show). He made this into a grand
story onstage (as he did with most of the other tunes, too, always with
that feckless Fleck wit). By all means *do* try to see them live...
you will be glad you did (and you'll have no doubts about their claims
of slim-to-none overdubs).

  Jeff ("n.n.")

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From:         Rick <MMLRICK@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: The Sonny Sharrock Caboose
              13 Aug 1992 09:26:13 EDT from <skovitz@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

Sonia's "psychotronic stroll through Sharrock-land":

... >            Maybe I've been watching Star Trek too long (the new
>generation) but listening to Sharrock is like wandering through a landscape
>(many landscapes) on another planet--through gardens, vistas, labyrinths,
>abysses, falling off one planet and plummeting through blackness to another
>planet, on an utterly incredible (ooops, valley girl) journey where many worlds
>coexist, many worlds collide...lyrical, furious, lucid, soulful, a staggering
>wealth of "musicks" and voices--sometimes a beast bowling, sometimes a little
>blade of grass gets to sing the blues, there is funk, there is soul, the
>rhythms are big and powerful yet oddly open, full of space on the grand scale,
>but all those roots are always there ... This guy goes in my GENIUS category
>lest there be any doubt.

Beautiful stuff. I love the "beast bowling" part -- it's brings to mind the
Flintstones.
Rick
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