From: lb05gate@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Rick Gates)
Newsgroups: alt.internet.services
Subject: October Hunt Results
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:20:49 GMT
Distribution: alt.internet.services


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*	   RESULTS OF THE OCTOBER 92 INTERNET HUNT	      *
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Here it is, at long last, the results of the second monthly Hunt.
(Turnaround time would have been much faster, but I've been out
conferencing myself to death.)

And the winner is...

		Peter Scott
		Manager of Small Systems
		Univ. of Saskatchewan Libraries
		
...who scored a perfect 46 points in an entry dated
Oct 1, 4:43 CST.  Congratulations Peter!

HUNT STATISTICS
---------------

We had a few more players this time around.  Now we're up to
19 entries, and about 50 - 60 assorted comments.

POINTS OF INTEREST
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It was clear that many people have latched on to Scott Yanoff's
burgeoning list of sources.  This can be accessed in several ways.
Finger yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu for some of them.  A couple of good
gopher sites (other than Mom gopher in Minnesota, of course), are the
MSEN gopher maintained by Ed Vielmetti; and the Univ. of South
Carolina, Dept. of Math gopher maintained by Brygg Ullmer.  Both good
starting points for information.  Finally, you can also get a lot of
information on the HyTelnet system at the University of Saskatchewan,
(telnet access.usask.ca), maintained by this months winner!

There are loads of other good services, but these are all I have
room for this month.

We got the first answer that used a Panda.  Panda is an information
service out of the University of Iowa that's based on gopher. See
question number 10.

The question on where to find land use maps (# 6), was not as
difficult as I had expected.  I was interested in the Global Land
Information System which was tough to find, and completely overlooked
the USGS Earth Science Data Service which answers the question.

The question on where an Argentine user could telnet to get gopher
access turned out to be a little tougher than expected.  Those who
found a telnettable (?) gopher server in South America got full
credit (based on a strict interpretation of the question).

The answers were much better this time around.  Almost everyone 
remembered that an address alone is not much help if the data is
buried deep inside some arcane directory structure.  Good job by
all.

I had fun (and so did others), with the extra credit question.
I'll try to scrape something up for November as well.

THE USUAL
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If any players would like to see their individual scores, please
feel free to drop me a line.

I'm totally open to suggestions.  Some suggestions have already been
incorporated, others are still being debated.

I will not post any answer that utilizes an access method that is
licensed to a particular subset of Net users.  Anyone who has cruised
the Net at any length has discovered licensed resources that are
accessible to anyone.  I will not expose those resources to further
unlicensed access.  For example, you will not see any mention of
access to dictionaries, as I am currently unaware of any in the public
domain.

Thanks to all who contributed comments, and special thanks to the
players!  Thanks to you, we're learning more every month.

THE HUNT RESULTS
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1. (1) Where can I get a copy of the shareware package pkzip?

The Winner's Answer
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ftp oak.oakland.edu
cd pub/msdos/zip
pkz110eu.exe

Other Answers
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(Rick: There were many answers to this question.  One of the
primary methods used for finding sites to ftp the files was by
searching archie, as explained here:)

	Telnet to archie.rutgers.edu (128.6.18.15)
	        Login: archie
	        prog PKZIP (search for PKZIP)

	        For a specific site,

(...or here)

        USC-Math Gopher service
        Gopher at bigcheese.math.scarolina.edu
        Computer Info/FTP site data and indices/FTP searches(UMN)/
        Search FTP Sites (Archie)/Substring search
        search for "pkzip"


2. (5) What's the elevation of Baldwinville, Massachusetts?

The Winner's Answer
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Telnet to 141.212.99.9 3000
Type Baldwinville to receive:

0 Baldwinville
1 25027 Worcester
2 MA Massachusetts
3 US United States
F 45 Populated place
L 42 36 30 N  72 04 35 W
P 1703
E 867
Z 01436

Answer = 867

Other Answers
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(Rick: Best answer!  A client at Minnesota. Thanks to Dennis Boone)
Gopher to University of Minnesota.
Select Libraries.
Select Reference Works.
Select U.S. Geographic Names Database.
Select Search... and enter the name of the city.


3. (4) Where can I find copies of the newly released Soviet archives?

The Winner's Answer
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ftp ftp.dra.com
cd pub/loc
get README for list of archives

Other Answers
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Anonymous FTP to seq1.loc.gov
subdirectories pub/soviet.archive/text.english
get README file in /soviet.archive/ for description of each file

Anonymous FTP to sunsite.unc.edu
subdirectories pub/docs/russia/english.txt
get README file in /russia/ for description of each file

USC-Math Gopher service.
Gopher at bigcheese.math.scarolina.edu
Multitopic Info/Misc/Soviet Archives


4. (7) I'm spending a semester in Europe next year.  My math professor
tells me that there's a network over there that mathematicians use
called Euromath.  I'd really like to find any information I can,
particularly the cost, if any.

(Rick: Getting to a gopher in Sweden or Denmark provided the best
answers.)

The Winner's Answer
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telnet consultant.micro.umn.edu
select Other gophers
select Europe
select Swedish University Network
select Denmark
select Euromath gopher server
select Euromath
The subscription rate for 1992-1993 is 1500 ECU if your
subscription reaches EMT by December 31, 1992. The rate for 1993
will be 2000 ECU. These rates apply only to mathematical
institutes.

Subscription to later EUROMATH upgrades (>= 1994) will be in the
order of 500 ECU.

Other Answers
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COSINE: the COSINE Network's Central
Information Service for Europe
Telnet to concise.funet.fi
login: concise


5. (3) Where can I get copies of the Electronic Frontier Foundation's
newsletter, the EFFector Online?

The Winner's Answer
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Telnet gopher.unt.edu
select Newsletters and journals
select Computing
select EFF
select Effector
Then select the issue you wish to read or have mailed to you

Other Answers
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copies of EFFector Online are also available on Usenet list
comp.org.eff.news

Anonymous ftp to kragar.eff.org
The issues of effector online are in directory
/pub/EFF/newsletters
Filename format is effector<vol>.<issue>

anonymous ftp to wuarchive.wustl.edu
cd /doc/policy/EFF
the files are listed as:
effector*.** for effector (the on-line stuff)
effnews*.** is for newsletter.


6. (8) I'm looking for land use maps of the United States, and I heard
somewhere that I can use a network resource to find out what's
available, and how to order them.  What is this resource?

(Rick: Most folks found the USGS Earth Science Data Service, but
the Global Land Information System is a lot slicker.  Full credit
for both answers though.)

The Winner's Answer
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Global Land Information System
Telnet glis.cr.usgs.gov
Login: guest

Other Answers
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USC-Math Gopher service.
Gopher at bigcheese.math.scarolina.edu
Multitopic/Science-Technology/Geography/USGS Earth Science Data
Service
search for "land use map"

telnet to quake.think.com
login as wais
select source USGS_Earth_Science_Data_Directory
(located at ridgisd.er.usgs.gov)
keyword search for maps of interest


7. (4) I have a friend that lives in Argentina.  I was telling her
about Gopher.  She's interested in setting up a gopher server at her
university.  Are there any gophers in that part of the world that she
can telnet to and see what it looks like?

(Rick:  What I was after here was a local gopher that provided
telnet access.  The 'friend' could telnet back to the US to get a
gopher, and then back to  South America, but response time is
much better with a more local telnet.  Full credit to those that
got South American telnettable (?) gophers.)

The Winner's Answer
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Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile
telnet tolten.puc.cl
login: gopher

Other Answers
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ECUANET, Ecuador
telnet ecnet.ec
login as 'gopher'

-telnet access.usask.ca
LOGIN: hytelnet
Choose Other Telnet accessible resources
>From that menu choose Distributed File Server Systems
>From that menu choose Internet Gopher Services
Answer from that menu TOLTEN.PUC.CL has a gopher,
this is the Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile.

telnet to consultant.micro.umn.edu
login as gopher
select Other Gopher Servers
select South America


8. (5) Where can I find general information on what's happening with
the US stock market?  The more up-to-date, the better!

(Rick: A common answer was USA Today Headline Business News.  I
judged a2i.rahul.net a better answer because it was more
up-to-date, and had lots of extras.)

The Winner's Answer
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Telnet a2i.rahul.net
login: guest
select m Market report

extract:
1. NORMAL SUN QUOTESERVER STOCK DUMP for 09/30/92
Symbol  Type    Price      High      Low         Volume    Last
AA     (stock)  66.25     66.375    65.50        148,500  65.625
AALR   (stock)   4.25      4.25      3.75          6,200   4.25
AAPL   (stock)  45.125    45.50     44.50        893,300  44.875

Other Answers
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Telnet to bolero.rahul.net and
login id as guest
choose 'm' for market report,
and keep hitting return until the main market menu comes up and
choose away.

On the Cleveland Free-Net:
telnet to freenet-in-a.cwru.edu
login as a visitor
select Business & Industrial Park
select USA Today: Headline Business News


9. (4) I'm doing a paper for a comparative religions course.  Is there
anyway to do a keyword search on the bible?

(Rick: Lot's of different sources out there.  FTP of full text
did not get full credit.)

The Winner's Answer
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Telnet to quake.think.com
login: wais
Select Bible
Use "w" for selecting keyword

Other Answers
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USC-Math Gopher service.
Gopher at bigcheese.math.scarolina.edu
Multitopic/Religion/[Bible/Koran/Book of Mormon]

Dartmouth College:
telnet to LIB.DARTMOUTH.EDU
use SELECT FILE BIBLE command to start

Telnet to info.rutgers.edu
Do the following menu-sequence:
Library -> Reference -> Religion -> Bible
This will let you search for keywords & passages in the King
James Bible.

Telnet to info.cern.ch (World Wide Web).
Select Other Subjects from the menu.
Press <enter> twice to reach the category Religions.
Select Bible (38).
Now enter any keyword or keywords desired.

10. (4) Where can I find 1990 US Census data?

The Winner's Answer
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telnet una.hh.lib.umich.edu
login: gopher
select Social Science Data
select 1990 Census

Other Answers
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Project Gutenberg:
anonymous ftp to mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
cd etext/etext92
files:  uscen901.xxx
uscen902.xxx

Telnet to hermes.merit.edu.
At the host prompt, type um-ulibrary.
Type gopher at the login prompt.
Select 4. Social Science Data,
Then select 1. 1990 Census.
Explore for data desired.

telnet  panda.uiowa.edu
at main menu choose Online Information Sources
then 6 (online library)
then 1 (Electronic Books)
then 3 (By title)
then 2 (1990 USA Census Information)
and go for it!

Extra credit question:
11. (1) What's Rick Gates' favorite sport?

The Winner's Answer
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finger lb05gate@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu

Login name: lb05gate                    In real life: Rick Gates
Directory: /b/lb05/gate                 Shell: /bin/csh
Last login Wed Sep 30 20:00 on tty11
No unread mail
Plan:
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Rick Gates                              (805) 893-7225
Dir. of Library Automation
Univ. of California                     lb05gate@ucsbuxa.uscb.edu
Santa Barbara, CA  93106

Interests: Net surfing, hiking, cooking, gardening, playing guitar
and playing basketball, the ONE true sport!

Other Answers 
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Source: logical guestimate 
Cruising the nets!  
--- 
Beats me!  :-) 
--- 
Internet Surfing!
---
Send mail to lb05gate@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu.
In the body of your request, include text: 
"Rick, what is your favorite sport?"  
Do I get a point? HUH HUH? 8-) 
--- 
My guess is setting Internet Hunt questions.  
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Basketball. Jeez, Rick, that was the easiest one!
---
I can't offer info from the net but good european prejudice :), 
how about Baseball as a tip?  
--- 
The often overlooked best source: someone who knows. Ask someone!
Charlie (docmaps@arizvms.bitnet -- an internet resource, right) says
its drinking beer but that you might think it was basketball. To find
out for sure, ask cgates@westmont.edu who he seemed to think you might
be acquainted with :-)

SHE writes: "His favorite sport is definitely basketball.  He
calls it 'the one true sport.'"

(Rick: Very sneaky, but clever!)








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Rick Gates				(805) 893-7225
Dir. of Library Automation
Univ. of California			lb05gate@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
Santa Barbara, CA  93106