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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 1992 13:56:31 -0400 
From: Sugato Bhattacharyya <sb0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: More about India

A person without posting access to the net sent me e-mail and requested
that I post the following message on the net. Please do not send me any
responses to forward etc. I am sure that if she is interested in
responding to any further discussions on the net, she will find a way to
get her message through. Thanks.

Message:

Leaving aside reports, and statistics, and the media, from my own
experience I can say that regarding the treatment of women, India
has a far longer way to go than the U.S. Being teased was a problem
I faced ever since I grew up - on the roads, in buses, on college
campuses. Every man around me seemed to be getting visibly excited
when they spot a woman!  I or my friends could not walk on the streets
without hearing some obscene remarks. Neither could we get up on
buses or trains without being "touched" by men. I have been living
in the U.S. for 5 years, and I swear never, never has such a thing
happened to me. Going around in India drives home the fact that 
Indian men are really starved of sex - that they imagine and talk
more than they actually do it. In the U.S., if some one feels like
having sex, they just go and do it.
 
Even now, when I and my husband go to visit India, my husband is totally
amused by how the men ogle at me, just like they do to every other 
woman.  They sometimes are so busy ogling
that they sometimes trip over. All these even when my husband is 
with me! He can't suppress his laughter.
 
Well, there is nothing wrong with looking at people of the opposite
sex as long as there is no physical harm done. In India, women
are supposed not to wear provocative clothes so that men do not get
aroused. In the U.S., women wear bikinies, mini-skirts, mid-rib 
blouses and anything they want to, and the men are supposed to
control their urges. In the U.S., no one insists that women cover
themselves up to protect male sensibilities. That is a freedom I
(and all my girl friends) enjoy most!
 
Let us face it - 
in the matters of freedom of women, India is far behind the U.S.,
like it is in everything else (science, economy, etc.). 

---Swagata Majumdar
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: More about India
Date: 7 Oct 92 17:22:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: coe.1992Oct7.172248.17960
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

In article <1992Oct6.215006.24872@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> tolia@hydrogen.ecn.purdue.edu (Anish Arun Tolia) writes:
>
>Wait a minute...who said USA is always better? 

Someone actually said it.[I don't remember the name of the nettor who said that]

>All I said was that women are treated like shit in most parts of India.

Rude, crude statement. Not true.

>NO, in the villages the landlords simply pick up whoever they want and rape them. If
>the lanlords dont, the local police and politicians will. This is better than eve
>teasing in your opinion?

No it is not better and I don't know where you got that idea.

>Not being female, you and I will never really know just how prevalent the problem is.

I don't have to be a female to understand the problems. I have a sister and I
had many girl friends[not in the American context] in school and college.

>I can only guess from what my friends tell me and that seems bad enough. If something
>happens to you every time you enter a bus or train or even walk on the street, I think
>it is a common enough problem to make a generalization.

I didn't say that the situation in India is rosy. But you say as if a woman
cannot live at all in India. It is simply not true.

>Women here have their share of problems too. However, remember that media exposure
>here is much greater than in India and a large number of crimes against women are
>never even reported because either the victim is too scared/embarrased to report it or
>the perpetrator is too powerful for the police to even file a complaint. Indian
>society  gives women NO PLACE to go and more often than not treats a rape/abuse victim
>as the criminal. Therefore I dont think your comparison is valid.

>So why is looking for sex bad? Women pick up men as frequently as men pick up women.
>About problems in the workplace, I agree but I dont think it is any better in India.

>Whoa! Be consistent in your arguments atleast! All through this article you claim that
>women are treated better in India than the US, and now you take it all back in the
>last sentence! I am not glorifying the US but I refuse to be blindly chauvanistic
>about India simply because I am an Indian living in the US

Read my replies to others. 

>Anish

Sincerely yours,
M.P.Premkumar
From: sudha+@CMU.EDU (Sudha Neelakantan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: More About India
Date: 12 Oct 92 01:31:41 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.indian: 11-Oct-92 Re: More About India
by J. Ainikkal@massey.ac.nz 
> Can U believe that some womyn are happy just being at home and
> taking care of the house?
> Can U believe that womyn do not have to have a career to be happy?
> Can U believe that happiness is relative to the person?
>  
> The above three questions may sound anti-feministic - but they are
> not. All I am trying to say is that all of us search for happiness
> in a way that society has made us believe we can reach happiness.
> Indian womyn in India might find themselves less socially isolated
> and happier with themselves than U are.

I could believe those three questions above, but doesn't that just bring
us back to the same issue?
isn't it fundamentally wrong to have different expectations and 
because of those expectations to relegate/restrict any class of 
society to particular roles?
you seem to have missed the point of fighting against discrimination 
and class and gender barriers -- its just that because you are a woman
you should be happy at home, or that because you're black and a woman
become a maid. etc...
i for one am perfectly willing to admit that some people are happier as
home-makers than as career-people.  and all those points that you
mentioned.  but i am not willing to admit that i (as a woman) shouldn't
be as happy making a career and never seeing the inside of a kitchen as
a man would be.  [ this is outside of unchangeable biological roles] . 
or that some men just might be as happy as some women are to be
home-makers(sic).  i don't even think that those things are true.  they
are just norms foisted by a male dominated society.  and they will
change since the requisites for success in todays world are no longer
dependent only on physical power.  at the same time, as a woman, i must
admit that we have the odds stacked against us -- its definitely true
that women have to face more physical agression like rape etc and are at
a disadvantage there.  but i don't think that its unnatural to try to
overcome those kinds of obstacles and achieve what a male could


Sudha

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
   Sudha K. Neelakantan     < Clouds come floating into my life,  
    The Heinz School of      \ no longer to carry rain or usher storm   
Public Policy and Management  \ but to add color to my sunset sky.
      Carnegie Mellon          >    - Rabindranath Tagore -
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Looking for Hindi font for Mac/IBM PC
Date: 9 Oct 92 19:04:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

(Raikanta Sahu) said:
>	Does anybody know any place from where I can get Hindi fonts for
>use in the Mac/IBM PC ?
>	Thanks for any response.
>	-sahu,r


try ~surendar/public/bin


suresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prem@cs.montana.edu (M.P.Premkumar)
Subject: Re: More about India
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:32:04 GMT

In article <Bvro75.AJs@cs.columbia.edu> bhat@cs.columbia.edu (Dinkar Bhat) writes:
>>>My friends and I have experienced the same harrassment on buses in
>>>Delhi, Bombay, Bangalore and Madras, and yes, also in towns.  We've also
>>>had to duck into bookstores or shops to avoid being followed home --
>>>this in broad daylight, with PLENTY of people walking around!!  
>>>We couldn't travel from Bangalore to Hyderabad to take a test without
>>>being harrassed on the bus!  I suppose you would blame us for going
>>>'unescorted'???
>>
>>No, I would blame you if you didn't take any actions against this.
>>
>
>Easier said than done. Everytime a guy hoots from his hostel, a woman
>has to run to a police station for help! In that case, she will spend
>half her life in the police station. Please be practical!

This is the attitude that hinders progress in India in every aspect. People
simply don't fight against injustice. "What can I do ? And things won't change
if I did anything" is the common thing people say when they are asked to do
something to right the wrongs. If we have such people in the majority then
our country will never improve.

>Dinkar.


Sincerely yours,
M.P.Premkumar
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From: reddy@cis.njit.edu (Kishore P. Reddy [RA])
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Looking 4: Satish K. Reddy (In Canada) (From Secunderabad)
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:18:19 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology

In article <1banraINNs12@bigboote.WPI.EDU> sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
>
>[a beautifully indented c program deleted]
>
>>Wait till Doki reads your stupid post you morAn...!!
>>Here it comes......
>
>
>he he i am not gonna flame this guy. he did not do a single #define
>and a single initialization. the friggin program did not compile.
>
>
>suresh
>
>ps: i promise this is not a flame


	Once again, this is not  "C" Language .. It's "E"
-- 
________________________________________________________________________________
#include "std_disclaimer.h"
________________________________________________________________________________
	Kishore P. Reddy	Parallel and Distributed Computing Laboratory
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Places to Suggest for Honey Moon .
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 01:16:51 GMT

eleeafj@menudo.uh.edu (P. Narendra) writes:


> Seriously,  go to Ladakh, believe me, you will enjoy......


If planning to go out side India then how about Antartica or Siberia.

Bye
Adil
From: rs@acpub.duke.edu (RAMAKRISHNA SRINIVASAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: The Debate on Women
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:04:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


			 The life of women in India
        		----------------------------

	SCI has been debating the quality of a life a women faces in India 
relative to that faced by women in other parts of the world. The issues 
addressed were:

1. Does the Indian society believe  that its women have a free, safe  life?. 

2. Is the Indian society less sensitive to the real needs of women ?.

3. Has the society not changed itself to adapt to a new existing reality ?.

In my opinion many of the issues related to a quality life for women (choice,
safety, equal opportunity)  is related to the fact that society takes a long 
time to identify and adjust to new needs. The fact is the idea of women being 
safe and happy was a picture painted about fourty years back when women had 
the long established role of a home maker. Now the reality is different, women 
are better educated, want to work and exert their independence. The society 
hasnot built in adequate safegaurds to protect women in the new situations 
that arise. The society does not understand that women  form a very productive
workforce and hence have to be provided with adequate protection at, to and 
from the workplace.  Society has to understand that women has special needs, 
the primary being their dual role as working mothers. The age of women being
just housewives is gone. Unfortunately these changes are happening at a very 
rapid pace in line  with India's rapid industrialization. The safegaurds and 
the new value system that would sustain the new emerging social order are not 
in place. The laws mostly are, but the value system that enforces the laws is 
not. I think instead of generalizing on the good/bad nature of the Indian 
male/female, what is needed is an intelligent program to instal the basic 
values of respect for the INDIVIDUAL and eduacte people about the needs of 
working women. This requires time and  very strong leadership. A good way to 
accelerate the change is to protest, bring to light injustices to women and 
keep women's issues in the spotlight. The protection and freedom women enjoy 
in this country has been the vigilance of women's groups from the mid 
nineteenth century. Women, Be Vigilant. If some men are against you, do not 
give up hope!.
From: ngopalas@ha02.eng.ua.edu (Nath S. Gopalaswamy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: New breed of indian women!
Date: 7 Oct 92 18:22:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: ua1ix.1992Oct07.182251.105216
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa

In article <1au89uINNpou@agate.berkeley.edu> c152-gh@dv349-3d.berkeley.edu (-NOBODY-) writes:
>HI FOLkS:
>what do you have to say for the following!
>(the following was a posting in another newsgrp..you may guess )
>
>
>>Tue Oct  6 22:52:54 PDT 1992
>>Subject: Asian female
>>Message-ID: <1992Sep28.161309.1892@usl.edu>
>>Sender: anon@usl.edu (Anonymous NNTP Posting)
>>Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
>>Distribution: usa
>>Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:13:09 GMT
>>Lines: 4
>
>>i am an Asian Indian Female,who would like to recieve correspondance from
>>American males.I am hoping i can build relationships with.Please send me your
>>fantasys and I will send you mine.
>
>
>Disclaimer:
>
><blah blah and all the standard stuff>

Yes it was in alt.sex, but immediately Kolachana Sastry (sender)revealed that it
was a prank played by some guy. Incidentally Kolachana is a guy. I am sure you 
know all this, this furore happened many days ago, if you are trying to stir up 
some excitement in this group with that, tough luck :-)

Nath.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ag@cs.brown.edu (Ashim Garg)
Subject: MBA
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:40:27 GMT

I am posting this query for a friend of mine who is interested in doing MBA.
He is interested in knowing   the experience of being an Indian while
searching for a job after grduation (especially in such a tough economic
situation as now) and also when doing a job. ALso can graduating from a top
of the ladder school offset significantly any of the disadvantages? Any
information  would be greatly appreciated. Since I do not generally read
SCI, kindly direct all the responses to my mailbox. 
Thanks.
-ashim
From: narayan@cs.montana.edu (R. A. Narayan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Request for e-mail address
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:54:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: coe.1992Oct13.055453.5874
Distribution: usa
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717

Could one of you kind souls out there send me the e-mail address of 
Villanova University?

Thanks,

Narayan

-- 
  /|  / 
 / | /  __  __  __      __  __
/  |/  (_< / < (_< /_/ (_< / / 				narayan@cs.montana.edu
		   _/
From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: TEST
Date: 13 Oct 1992 14:55:37 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu

In article no. <sdjfhjds> rao@bnlux1.bnl.gov (mondala n rao) said:
>TEST message. Please ignore
>

what shall i ignore? your name or the message?


suresh

ps:i just realised that you posted the test after posting a long
   article. so i decided that you deserve this flame.
From: arindam@cs.uwindsor.ca (Arindam Das)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: addresses of companies
Keywords: software foreign collaboration
Date: 9 Oct 1992 17:58:04 GMT


hi,

i am looking for addresses of private software companies
in india working in the area of CAD for VLSI,
Communication.

especially interested in HP, Motorola, TATA-IBM,
Ericsson, DEC, Cadence

Could someone help me ?

-arindam
From: sirdesh@i32s3.ira.uka.de (Sam Sirdesh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Bringing High-Tech to a village
Date: 12 Oct 1992 10:43:26 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
Distribution: world
Reply-To: sirdesh@i32s3.ira.uka.de (Sam Sirdesh)
NNTP-Posting-Host: i32s3.ira.uka.de

To Mr. X and his critics,

I thought Mr. X had a truly great idea, which appears not so often on
the net. I find it disappointing, immature and small-minded of people
when they start to criticise his English. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
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Subject: Re: F1 medical insurance info. wanted
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 07:25:05 GMT


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From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SOME DOKI JOKES
Date: 7 Oct 1992 23:39:06 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu
Keywords: jokes



>Since when did you start deciding for others ?

i decide only for morAns like you. ( who are not capable of making
independent decisions )

>Anyway, one more for you.

i think it is better you dedicate all your jokes to nimmi who is on
the lookout for such jokes.

>What's worse than directing others to do something ?
>Unable to arrive at a decision for your own self.

your joke stinks of you.

>P.S. Doki(ulu), why don't we correspond on SCIT ? We could use some
>low level language.

sure i read SCIT and you can respond to me from there. i mean you can
take my articles there and followup from there. the low level language
is only going to be one way transmission.



from me to you. you can never catch up with me.



suresh
From: dikkala@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravikumar Dikkala)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Boring discussion!!!
Date: 9 Oct 1992 05:58:28 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki) writes:
:

Kewl it guys... was trying out a new philosophy... that is press 
F before you do anything.. then ask yourself as to what to do...

Thanking you,

-Dikkala
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Z28 CAMARO -  F O R   S A L E !!!
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:47:01 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA

Newsgroups: ba.market.vehicles,misc.forsale,soc.culture.indian
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From: U335D@wvnvm.wvnet.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: ***** SHER-O-SHAYARI *****
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:41:06 GMT

ANY FANS OF MADHUSHALA?  IF SO THIS ONE'S FOR YOU ALL!

PEENA, PEELANA DONO KHARAAB HAIN.
LEKIN, PEEKAR HOSHN MEIN AANA
              AUR BHI KHARAAB HAIN
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajain@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Good /Bad,Love /Hate
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:00:09 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.180042.25495@news.acns.nwu.edu>, bsind@chinug.acns.nwu.edu (Brijnandan S. Dehiya) writes:
> Don't you ever wonder why is it that Indians  indulge in more India 
> 
> bashing than anyone , anywhere else in the world?

  Of course! It crosses my mind every single time I see such an incident
(and there *are* a lot on SCI ;-)) but then ..................................
I *AM* proud to be an Indian !!!! "Com-patriot bashing" is part of our
society <not culture> so why not !!!! :-)

----

<no name from me either :-( >

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From: sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu,wpi.students.desis
Subject: Re: Tagore-Related Conference at Urbana-Champaign?
Date: 13 Oct 1992 14:13:50 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: soc
NNTP-Posting-Host: maxine.wpi.edu


i just checked the previous 862 articles. i could not find any article
with the string 'tagore' or 'Tagore' in the headers. if you are sure
that the subject or summary or keywords or any other item in the
header has 'tagore' or 'Tagore' in it then can you give me more
information about the article like how many years back it was posted
and was it posted to your local group and so on.


thanx in advance.


suresh




ps: sci readers sorry for the double post but one of my friends wanted
    a repost of this article to one of the local groups.
From: dxn@juniper.WPI.EDU (Deepak Narain)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: SOME DOKI JOKES
Date: 8 Oct 1992 01:57:28 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, WPI
NNTP-Posting-Host: juniper.wpi.edu
Keywords: jokes

From sdoki@maxine.wpi.edu (Suresh Doki):
>(Deepak Narain) said:
>>From janand@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Jayaraman Anand):
>>>>P.S. I am just kidding. ;-)
>>>P.S. I am just kidding. ;-) Really.
>>What a coincidence!
>>P.S. I am just kidding ;-) Really. Really.
>
>
>so one more trend that i set eh ;-)
>
>ps: i am getting paranoid these days

p.s: I am just kidding ;-) Really. Really. Really.

p.p.s: running out of witty things to say.
From: nagi@indiana-jon.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Nagendra Palle)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: SPIC-MACAY
Keywords: t-shirts/sweat shirts
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:55:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw81K6.L2B
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


The SPIC-MACAY chapter at the University of Illinois
at Urbana-Champaign is selling t-shirts and sweat-shirts


If any one is interested please contact nagi@solace.me.uiuc.edu

The costs and other details are:

sizes: small, medium, large, x-large

colours: black, white

Cost: t-shirts: 10.00;  sweat-shirts: 15:00 (plus cost of mailing).

Please note that the design appears on the front side
and amongst other things (folk dancers, musical instruments)
it also bears the SPIC-MACAY eye symbol. It has four colours
- green, gold, scarlet red and black. The t-shirts are 100% cotton. 

It does not have
any mention of University of Illinois on it. 

Thanks,

Nagi

nagi@solace.me.uiuce.du
(217) 344-2652
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