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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: GOD
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:52:07 GMT

In article <728022574.0@iphase.fidonet.org> Richard.Willis@iphase.fidonet.org (
Richard Willis) writes:
>
>               There is a true god. Satan is real. Follow him and you will go
>to hell. 

Oh, come ON.  It was a foggy night, and I just spotted his taillights.
I thought The Dark One was just getting off at the exist before the
Stuckey's.  

>Follow Jesus and inherite eternal life. Any questions?

What cut does the government get on an inherited life?  Is it the same
as paying income taxes on it?  And if you don't pay, just how do they go
about collecting?  Can I inherit an eternal life and trade it in for a
good hi-def TV if I want?  If I choose to keep it, can I still use an
EZ tax form?  And, if so, where do I list it?  Besides, what's the book
value on an inherited life?  If someone else had it before, does it
depreciate?

Christ on a crutch, pal, I've got a MILLION questions!

Fondly,
Janis the Constantly Amazed At the Depth to which Human Stupidity Can 
      Be Plumbed and Thanks For Helping me Probe the Latest Depths!
From: radzy%sradzy@jack.sns.com (T.O. Radzykewycz)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: wearing pagan/pentacle jewelry
Date: 25 Jan 93 18:03:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Originator: radzy@icsib62

(I'm having trouble with my new machine.  Posted this a little
while ago, but it doesn't seem to have come across, so I'm re-posting
from the other machine.  Apologies.)

ailsa@wonky.UUCP (Ailsa N.T. Murphy) writes:
>>  any more susan cooper pagans out there?  i was always bummed that i
>>  am in no wise Welsh.

dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
> I loved her books too.  I can't wait till the baby is old enough to
> read them.

I wouldn't call myself a "Susan Cooper Pagan", but I certainly did
love her books.  (BTW Ailsa: What is "aAA" in "imnaAAsho"?)  Even
if we aren't Welsh, we can try to be Welsh in spirit.

> Rumor has it that she lives in Boston and is involved with the Christmas
> Revels (a pagan inspired Solstice celebration that they do every year
> at Sanders Theater.)

Ailsa's in Boston, and if that isn't enough, Susan Cooper's there, too.
I WANNA GO TO BOSTON!

Bear Blessings!

			-- radzy

------------------------------------------------------------
	T. O. Radzykewycz		|  An it harm none,
	The Incredible Radical Cabbage	|  do as ye will.
					|
	radzy%sradzy@jack.sns.com       |
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Tribal Mother was old, and lay ill on a bed of moss and
fern.   Her hair was long and grey.   Her face was very
wrinkled.    Tamura'nun-pa thought:   How beautiful you
are, Mother, so old and wise.
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: angelai@wam.umd.edu (Angela I.)
Subject: Re: Subscriptions
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:32:42 GMT

In article <JJRTXB3w164w@tweekco.uucp> alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard) writes:
>and could someone (preferably a current subscriber) post an address
>and subscription info for Circle Network News?

I'm not a current subscriber, but here it is anyway:
Circle Network News
PO Box 219
Mt Horeb, WI 53572
$9.00 /yr (4 issues)

And, another thingy I have here is the address for:
Pagana
PO Box 9494
San Jose, CA 95157
$16.00 /yr (8 issues)

BB!
Angela

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From: Richard.Willis@iphase.fidonet.org (Richard Willis)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: GOD
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:28:00 EST


               To Whom It May Concern,

               There is a true god. Satan is real. Follow him and you will go
to hell. Follow Jesus and inherite eternal life. Any questions?


 * Origin: U_PAGAN: <<<<<<<<<< RE-ELECT NOBODY! >>>>>>>>>> (1:112/29)
From: d92adali@IDA.LiU.SE (Adam (Beowulf) Lidvik)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: THE DIVINE MASTERS
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:39:36 GMT
Organization: CIS Dept, University of Linkoping, Sweden


	Hey..
Post this to one of the islamic groups, and end up
like a second Salman Rushdie..
	Seeing is believing.
--
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Enjoy the day.
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Bonding rituals
Date: 25 Jan 1993 10:35:39 -0500
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <107773@bu.edu> uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) writes:
>
>Recently a rift has developed between my lover and I.
>
>If anyone has any experience with bonding/love rituals, especially
>those in conjunction with the waxing moon I would love to hear from you.
>
>In addition, with the coming of the full moon, I would like to preform
>some purifying rituals and dispell any bad energies that have collected.
>
>I intend to conduct these every night through their respective moons,
>and I would appreciate any input and/or suggestions.
>I might add, that distance demmands I preform these alone.

If the rift is simply a physical one that separates you by mere miles,
then the love you have for one another should be strong enough not to
need bolstering. I do understand though, that a ceremony or ritual
can make those miles vanish in the hearts of the lovers. So can an
occasional phone call or letter (letters are better as they can be
reread often).

If, however, the rift is caused by something emotional between you,
then unless you both consent, the rituals won't do any good. In fact,
trying to bind someone to you either against their will or without 
their knowledge is a misuse of power. Don't do this unless your kharmic
dance card is empty.

It would help if you were a bit more specific about the "rift" itself.

Bb,
Corun


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  Dark Horde by birth  |           is coming from you.
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Chinese Religion
From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:07:40 GMT
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Keywords: Lao Tzu, Chuang Tzu, Confucius

In article <1993Jan22.155119.29920@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
    boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
>
>In article <1993Jan20.011459.5392@csus.edu>,
    altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:
>
[a few short recommendations on texts of the Tao Te Ching...]
>>
>> Just as a side note: I'd steer away from the Stephen Mitchell translation,
>> as it is not really a translation at all but a rendering. For a more
>> authoritive translation,
>> try the Te Tao Ching by Hendricks, the Tao Te Ching by Wu under Shambala, or 
>> the inexpensive Penguin edition by D.C. Lau. Lau is very accurate to the 
>> Chinese, but harder to read. Wu is clear, concise and rather sweet, while
>> Hendricks is a beautifully researched edition that organizes the two Ma Wang
>> Tui texts with a clear translation.
>> 
>> Cleary's new translation I have a few minor disagreements with, but he is
>> by far my favorite translator, and has the highest respect from many people.
> 
>Of course, those interested in an accessible, lucid, and very entertaining
>introduction to Taoist thought and philosophy should read the ten-year-old
>classic, "The Tao of Pooh", and the new companion volume, "The Te of Piglet",
>both by Benjamin Hoff.  I can dig up all those fun details like the
>publisher and the ISBN at home tonight.
>
>				- - Steve

Steve, I don't have a real problem with Hoff's "Tao of Pooh", especially for
those more interested in skimming the surface, but I didn't care for the
second book much at all. Both provide a light-hearted approach, but are not
considered scholarly. Of course, the title might clue one in... :-)

In thinking about it, I'd actually recommend reading Chuang Tzu over Lao Tzu
as an introduction to Taoist thought, as it is much more accessible and
also provides some of the lyricism of Taoism. You also won't find a more
interesting writer of the period. Funny, insightful, and thought-provoking,
Chuang Tzu is like one big extended koan. Note that only the "inner" chapters,
which are usually published as the first seven of 33, are considered 
authoritive.

Murray

-- 
Murray M. Altheim      "Ils ont l'orteil de Bouc, & d'un Chevreil l'oreille,
Instructional Consultant    La corne d'un Chamois, & la face vermeille
CSU, Sacramento          Comme un rouge Croissant: & dancent toute nuict
altheimm@csus.edu       Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d'une eau qui bruict."
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: Critical Thought
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,talk.religion.misc
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 25 Jan 93 23:49:09 GMT

In article <1k1m18INNato@cuda.add.itg.ti.com> webb@vault.tsd.itg.ti.com (Rosemary Webb) writes:

>A well-told tale is also more memorable for non-literate populations.
>Keep in mind, though, that even (especially?) for educated believers,
>an important dictum during the middle ages was "I believe _because_ it 
>is absurd."   Once I encountered this, I stopped trying to make sense
>of Catholic doctrine and started looking for another spirituality.  A creator
>that alien (or one who creates me with such limited comprehension) gets 
>no support from *me*.

In Carl Sagan's book _Contact_, he has one of his characters muse at how
Earth is a control world gone to seed.  The PTB show this place to the
apprentice gods and say, "Watch yourself, or you might REALLY screw up
and make something like this!"

The main reason I dislike the JCI God(tm) is how he is supposed to be
some sort of carrot dangled in our faces, forever taunting us to be like
him and staying just out of our reach.  I want something that's down
here, damn it.  Like the Goddess, who is everywhere according to my
metaphor.  I don't want to be removed from God.  I want to BE god.

Blessings,
Janis
From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Critical Thought
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:02:21 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <stacey-260193094843@scorpio.ucs.uoknor.edu> stacey@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin) writes:
>In article <1993Jan25.193312.27059@coe.montana.edu>,
>uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote) wrote:

>	it, it has a statement which seems most appropriate; "Catholics believe
>	most deeply in things they least understand." I think it's what gives
>	us that slightly bizarre trait of being able to believe that ANYTHING
>	is possible. :-) 

Except round squares..

>       I also very much liked your statement about Catholicism
>	keeping us from God. OH, YES. Campbell says that all Western religious
>	traditions, including Judaism, are religions of exile - separating man	
>	from God.

Campbell says this because he does not believe in a personal create present to
the world yet distince from it.  So, of course Western religions keep people
from God.  His God is himself when it comes down to it.  What he really
believes is a type of Hinduism, that all things are really the same
manifestation of the one reality which is beyond all logic, personality, and
rationality.

If you read Paul in Romans 1 you will see how he disagrees with Campbell in a
basic way.

Ted
From: kre@po.CWRU.edu (Keith R. Elflein)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Subscriptions
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:32:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b61693.student.cwru.edu

I was wondering if anyone would like to recommend a good pagan, or wiccan
even, subscription. I have sent for sample copies of "Circle Network News"
and "Converging Paths" but i haven't seen them. Are there any others you
recommend i try?

Keith

"Double double, toil and trouble...fire burn and cauldron bubble!" -
*hahaha* don't 'ya love it! :)
From: vossdavi@student.msu.edu (Lisa Ann)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Food suggestions for Imbolc
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:25:57 GMT
Followup-To: alt.pagan
Organization: Chaotic Goods
NNTP-Posting-Host: cemmac11.cem.msu.edu

In article <93023.180855J5J@psuvm.psu.edu>, J5J@psuvm.psu.edu (John A.
Johnson) wrote:
> 
> I'm having a party for Imbolc and unfortunately cannot find my copy of
> the Witches All, which contains Scandanavian-type food suggestions for
> this holiday.  I'd appreciate any suggestions from net pagans.  -- R.

     Here's one of my faves.

     Poppy Seed Cake

1 cup cooking oil
1 cup honey
3 eggs
3 cups whole-wheat flour
1 cup poppy seeds
3 1/2 teaspoons baking soda
1 1/2 cups buttermilk
1/2 teaspoon salt

mix all ingredients together. place in a greased 9X15 inch pan. Bake in a
preheated 350 degree oven for 40-45 minutes or until done.

     To wash it down, try this.

     Sage Wine

1 cup fresh sage
1/2 cup claret or burgundy wine (I like the burgundy myself)

put the fresh sage and the wine into an electric blender and run it on high
for a few minutes until the sage leaves are pulverized. Return the wine to
its original bottle and chill *well* before drinking.

     I have a few more including a great but long one for Fertility Bread.
Send me your e-mail address so I don't annoy others with yet another long
post! (See catalogs! Lots of catalogs!)

     Blessed be, Lisa Ann, or she who is horrifyingly domestic in some
ways.
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Okay, so this is dumb, BUT . . .
Date: 25 Jan 1993 10:01:55 -0500
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <2B5DED6B.11624@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
> 
>How DARE you duck!  Now, where am I going to find another brick . . . 
> 
>Blessings,
>Janis the Projectile Launcher 

That should be easy for you. You're definitely NOT a few bricks short of
a full hod like some people. ;-) So I'm still ducking. <quack!>

"And your Wise Men don't know how it feels...
to be thick as a brick."
   			J.Tull

Bb,
Corun the Incorungible


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    Corun MacAnndra    |     What appears to be coming at you,
  Dark Horde by birth  |           is coming from you.
    Moritu by choice   |			J. Flanders
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: Masonic Practices??
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:56:26 GMT
Organization: n.o.y.b

In article <1993Jan25.181634.1521@linus.mitre.org> ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:
>
>In articles:
><1993Jan24.215455.11774@fuug.fi> (alt.magick) and 
><1993Jan24.215526.11908@fuug.fi> (alt.pagan), an4484@anon.penet.fi writees:
>
>>My understanding (as much I guess as an outsider could have) of Masonic
>>practices would be that they descend from the Knights Templar of around
>>the time of the middle ages. Their purpose in being was to be the 
>>guardians of the Holy Grail.
>
>>Funny though....I was talking to a Witch whose grandfather was a Mason and
>>it seems their beliefs are a little more elaborate than that. It seems that
>>the whole idea behind Masonry is that Christ as a man was married or at
>>least had sexual relations with Mary Magdelan which produced offspring.
>>The Masons then have one purpose....to defend these descendants of Christ
>>down through the ages.
>
>>And the reason for the secrecy is that the whole premise of the Christian
>>religion is the fact that Jesus was the Son of God....hence the need for
>>secrecy. The Witch (who had evidently gleaned this info from her grandfathers
>>diaries seemed to resent this, in that this means the Masons are basically
>>defending a lie...namely, Christ as the celibate Son of God who never married
>>as that might make certain Christian practices/beliefs untenable.
>
>>Any comments on this?
>
I might as well throw another brick into this xian mess. 

From what I have heard, in the original Aramaic, there are references, not
to JC's cousins, but to his brothers & sisters (by blood, from Mary, not Mag).
Which means there's other relatives running around.

	ha. ha. ha.
(I'm over 34! They didn't get me! (B-{^} )

	mark, who really (at least right at this moment) doesn't *give* a
		shit about what xians believe (except where it's going to
		mean they want to attack me, and really doesn't want to
		hear about it so much *here*.
From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Texas Pagan BBS...
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 05:08:51 PST
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615

Would the sysops of the Inn of the Laughing God please contact me
at the address shown in my sig file? 
Bright Blessings,
A.Lizard

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From: jlawson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (John A. Lawson III)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Masonic Practices??
Date: 28 Jan 93 02:54:10 GMT
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA

Masonics beliefs (Christ and Mary Mag.) that has nothing at all to do with
masonry.
From: uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Body Paints
Date: 23 Jan 93 04:09:16 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA


Anyone have a good recipe for body paints from scratch...?

Perhaps something with an oil base?

Something that wont wash off with the mildest perspiration?

As for color... black and white would be nice...

thanks in advance

uni
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uni@acs.bu.edu  ->  Public Keys by finger and/or request
Soverignty is the sign of a brutal past.
From: a_weitz@pavo.concordia.ca (WEITZMAN, ANDREW)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Gui is Satanic
Date: 21 Jan 93 14:07:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Tracy Ratcliff writes (I have to do this manually, cause I *&@$) haven't learned
how to use the followup command correctly):

>My sister was talking one time about the fundies at her plant.  It's apparently
>a trick you can do with any card.

Tracy, you have rediscovered an old law discovered by the Discordian Philospher's
 and Wine and Cheese Commandos Club.  It's the Law of Fives: if five is at
any point an important or significant number, it WIL ALWAYS TURN UP WHEREVER AN OBSERVER
SPECIFICALLY LOOKS FOR IT.  This applies, of course, to any religious
number you may care to name.  It also explains most of Western Religion, too.

--Andrew the Wandering Jew--
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: cbwierda@ar14darlrk.er.usgs.gov (Clark B. Wierda)
Subject: REQUEST:  Pagan MS-Windows Bitmaps
Organization: US Geological Survey, WRD, Arkansas District
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:06:03 GMT
Reply-To: cbwierda@ar14darlrk.er.usgs.gov
Distribution: alt
X-Posted-From: ar14darlrk.er.usgs.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

A while back, someone posted some MS-Windows bitmaps.  I had no use
for them then, so I didn't save them.  I can now handle them and would
like to get them.

Thanks in advance,
--
Clark B. Wierda		Treabius Starseeker
cbwierda@ar14darlrk.er.usgs.gov
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Caber toss
Date: 22 Jan 1993 01:03:05 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

In article <1993Jan18.192600.14672@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.com (Steve Boylan) writes:
>
>Grabbing the dictionary from behind me, "caber" comes from the Scots 
>Gaelic word "cabar", which means "pole".

Hmmmmmm. I wonder what Scot means in Polish. ;-)

Bb,
Corun





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From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Critical Thought
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:23:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

On the subject of Pagans who started out catholic . . .

I really don't know if I started out an RC or not.  My parents were RC's
and I went to schools for 12 fucking years, but my family was and is very
secular.  They were the kind of RC's who think the pope is a nice old
fart living in the 15th century and stop by the drugstore for the
rubbers on the way home from mass.  We were very K-Mart -- we took what
we liked and left the rest.  Hence, leaving the church was a more
gradual drift than anything else for me.  Once it was made supernally
clear to me when I was a kid that I could leave behind what I didn't
agree with, I just started dropping things off bit by bit until I looked
down and realized I had dropped it all.  At that point, I stayed with
nothing for a while, then started picking stuff up, and it just so
happened that many of the things I picked up seemed connected to
Paganism and later Wicca. 

Blessings,
Janis  
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu (Angela KAY Rolling)
Subject: re:smart drugs?
Reply-To: txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:23:07 GMT

>Besides... if one doesn't watch it they may end up inducing a schizophrenic
>psychosis!
>Nasty nasty!
Only to those around you. Unless it is mild you probly wouldn't notice
your self. This is why so many end up on the streats rathere then getting
help and medication.

Elf-Kin 
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: spider@netcom.com (Mark Lovell)
Subject: Re: Five sides...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:56:05 GMT

Shaen Bernhardt (uni@acs.bu.edu) wrote:

: With regard to the five points of a five pointed star...

: When one considers the five points to represent the 4 "elements" and 
: "Spirit"  (i.e. earth water air fire spirit..)  Which points represent
: which elements?

: Is there a distinction in the penticle?  What other representations are
: attributed to the star?

: I would assume the top point to represent spirit.. but... ?


Hi, Newbie here.

In one tradition I follow this is the pattern:

         Ether
   Earth       Air
     Fire   Water

Drawn on the body, earth is to the right.
            //\o/\\