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From: pinch@cs.washington.edu (Ricardo Pincheira)
Subject: cheapo slideboards
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 20:59:25 GMT

$47.77 roll-up slideboard?

The other day while shopping at a Target in Bismark ND I saw, to my great
amazement, a display of "Thighmaster" (with Suzanne Sommers) and of all
things, "Body Slide" ("from the creators of Thighmaster"), endorsed by Cheryl
Ladd, whoever she is.  Anyways, I didn't have time to check it out, so upon
returning to the Seattle area I went to a nearby Target to spend money 
and to check the "Body Slide" out:

1) Yes, the local Target had it as well, ==> this is probably being sold by
   Target's nationwide

2) The product:  a roll-up slideboard very similar in concept to the
    Kneedspeed roll-up thingy (which I have) complete with little nylon socks
    and an instructional video (mighty curious about that one) for
    $47.77.  But, before you flock to the local Target (or maybe K-mart or
    Wal-mart too???), here's a couple of bad things:  It seemed to be only
    6 feet or so, which is way too short.  And the quality seemed to be
    quite poor compared to the Kneedspeed unit (which costs about 2.2
    times as much).   Alas, I had no chance to try it so I don't know how
    slippery it was.  But still, assuming the stuff is slippery (you
    can spray silicone on it) I'd venture to say that for non-speedkaters
    who skate in an upright position and have a short stroke (it's only 6
    or so feet, remember) this unit might be quite adequate.

    Just think, "a firmer abdomen" and (possibly "tightens buttocks" , I
    don't remember now) for $47.77 + tx.  Hmmph.  Go check it out.

Ricardo

PS - I think it also said "As seen on TV" (in an infomertial?? Our sport is
famous!), but I've never seen it.  Then again I very seldom watch TV anyways.
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From: barisajj@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Joe Barisa)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Music at Public Skating Sessions
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:14:20 GMT
Organization: Drexel University
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Re: Music at Public Skating Sessions

In article <38447@cbmvax.commodore.com> George Robbins,
grr@cbmvax.commodore.com writes:
>They should come down to the South Eastern PA / Delaware area.  There
>are two ex-rinks currently up for sale/lease.  One, MaryLand, was a
>antique car auction house, but supposedly still has the floor intact
>and was "the rink" for a long time and is in an area now undergoing
>suburban development (i.e. kids aplenty).

Yeah unfortunately the building itself was not in that great of shape.
I can remember one time being at one end of the building and seeing
the outside from about a 1/2 inch crack in the cinder blocks at the
oppisite end of the building.

>The other "Spinning Wheels" on 202, served time as a lumber yard or
>home improvment store and no longer has a floor.  It was a 70's boom
>rink.

Actually the floor is still intact they simply layed tile
over top of it. It was my personal favorite rink.  It had
the largest floor that I have ever skated on (approx 100'
by 200').  It was centered so that you could exit or
enter from all four sides 2 exits on three sides and 1
exit against the back wall.  Another thing I liked was
that even the outside areas of the Rink were wood not
carpet.  The Snack bar and Pizza Place (yes two different
snack bars in 2 seperate rooms, I point this because its
the only rink that I have ever seen setup this way) were
tiled.  The only carpetting that existed was in the
arcade room.  Believe it or not it had an in ground pool
inside the building.  The floor itself is a solid maple
fanned floor ( instead of the ends of the rink being
squared off i-i it had a fan effect /-\ supposedly this
is better because of the wheels always going with the
grain and of course the best are completely curved only
what I have heard.) It was only resurface completely once
(sanded down and recoted) in 1980,  though every year
from 80 to 86 two coats of rink coat were applied.

From 1974 until 1981 they skated roughly 1000 to 1200 skaters on a Friday
nite and almost as many on a Saturday night.  I do not know how this ranks
with todays rinks but it was very crowded on the floor almost too crowded.

>Too bad I ain't rich...
>

I have heard that when it first went up for sale they 
were asking 5 million (rumours of course).  Also at that 
time the owner of the Delaware rinks (Christiana, Dover
and Elsemere) attempted to buy it but could not secure
the funds.  I personally believe that even if someone
had the funds to purchase it now it would cost too much
to return it to quality Rink and the profits in owning
such a rink are not what it once was.

Just my 0.02 worth.

Joe Barisa
From: aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: when to have ice skates sharpened
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:04:07
Organization: BBN, Cambridge MA
Reply-To: aboulanger@bbn.com
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In-reply-to: pae@teal.csn.org's message of Wed, 6 Jan 1993 04:46:55 GMT

In article <C0F1AB.DA9@csn.org> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:


   I don't know about roller skates; if anyone would know, Albert would.

   With in-line skates, there's an interesting twist: you rotate your
   wheels when an edge *starts* to appear on the wheels.

A bit of mis-phrasing and we get into an interesting topic. Actually,
I *like* having my forward inside wheels rounded off because I find
that it helps going into spins.


Regards,
Albert Boulanger
aboulanger@bbn.com
From: ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Professional Ice Skating
Date: 10 Jan 1993 00:12:17 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu

In article <1io0vlINNj64@network.ucsd.edu> kim@guppy.uucp (Isaac Kim) writes:
>
>I thought that Orser had won the three world championships between
>the 1984 and 1988 Olympics.  Does anybody know who won these? 

Here are a few mens titles from recent history:

1980 Jan Hoffman, DDR
1981-
1984 Scott Hamilton, USA
1985 Alexandar Fadeev, USSR
1986 Brian Boitano, USA
1987 Brian Orser, Canada
1988 Brian Boitano, USA
1989-
1991 Kurt Browning, Canada
1992 Viktor Petrenko, Ukraine

Note that Robin Cousins, 1980 Olympic gold medalist, has never won
a world championship. Also, 1988 was either the first or a very
rare occurence of 3 world champions competing in the Olympics
at the same time, at least in the men's competition.

>Well, I would rather win it all just once, than finish second 10 times
>in a row.  Don't you think Elway or Tarkington would trade all of those
>second place finishes for just one Super Bowl?

(NOTE: The only reason I'm rambling on about this is that there 
isn't nearly enough discussion about figure skating in this
newsgroup. Any opportunity to discuss figure skating, even if
it is over such as silly thing as which medals are more prestigious,
is better than worrying about pregnant women rollerskating!)

Careful, you're comparing apples and oranges. The Olympic championships
are much more prestigious and important than the world championships.
The world championships take place every year, the Olympics only
every four. Winning 1 world championship is not equal to winning 
10 Olympic silver medals (or in Orser's case, two). Lots of skaters 
(well not really lots) have world medals, but only 3 skaters every 
four years win Olympic medals. If you really want to make a football
comparison, and this is stretching it because you really can't compare
the competitions like this, the Olympics are the Super Bowl of figure 
skating and the world championships are like the playoff games.

Elway and Tarkington are probably more pleased with having played in
all of those Super Bowls than winning their conferences -- the fact
that they played IN the Super Bowl is more important than that they
played in the playoff games.  Look at the ladies figure skating.
By my records, of the 12 world medals between 1989 and 1992, there
were 8 women who won those medals. The three that we will remember
the most are Yamaguchi, Ito, and Kerrigan because they also won
Olympic medals. 

Oh well, enough rambling.

Mary
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From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: Rollerblade miles = ? Running miles
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 14:43:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.014925.29518@stortek.com> pae@blackcat.stortek.com (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
>In article <w1RZVB8w164w@cellar.org> toad@cellar.org (Tony Shepps) writes:
>
>I'm not convinced you can categorically make this statement about workout
>efficiency. I keep good bearings in my skates. Here in Boulder, I can
>definitely get a good workout going both uphill and downhill on the Boulder
>Creek Trail. The grade is typically somewhere between .5% and 2%. Clearly, I'm
>going faster when going downhill. However, since air resistance goes up as the
>cube of velocity, it's not *that* much faster.
>
>Why do you think that one is getting "more exercise with the lousy bearings?"

Simple Physics really....lousy bearings would tend to imply greater resistance
to me. Resistance is ~ to friction. More friction, more work is required, 
therefore greater calorie expenditure, therefore more exercise.
Now as to whether you're getting a BETTER workout, thats a totally different
thing.  I didn't say lousy bearings would be efficient, and you're certainly
going to travel less with greater work.

---Steve
-- 
---------
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		"Your Mind....My Playground" ---me 
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From: iceskate@leland.Stanford.EDU ( Lin)
Subject: 1992 Olympic Video
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 20:55:00 GMT

Somebody wrote...

>I have a copy of the 92 Olympic video that is devoted to figure
>skating.  Yes, the commentary is deleted.


Can you please give more information on this video?  The length of it, who's in
it, long or short programs (or parts of programs)?
Thanks in advance.
From: news@novell.com (The Netnews Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Favorite skater
Date: 13 Jan 93 00:31:50 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

Yes, I agree with Diane.  Gary Beacom (sp) is one of the great skaters
who has made ice-skating (freestyle) as true art to appreciate.  He has
that certain amount of control while doing some those moves you don't
see too much on the ice these days.  
From: rmaratas@novell.com (Robert Maratas)
People like Scott Hamilton, Rosylyn Somners and other great skaters have
brought the art to us demonstrating that there's no limit to what a person
can actually achieve on the ice.  Case'n'point, we have some really talented
skaters out there, and I always have a problem with choosing my favorite
skater.  In closing, I do favor Gary Beacom.  

Bob
From: sol@spl1.spl.loral.com (Sol Ezekiel)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Favorite skater
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:01:30 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

In article <1iq0geINN90o@umbc8.umbc.edu>, ac999257@umbc3.umbc.edu (ac999257) writes:
|> 
|> Who is your favorite figure skater and why?

Paul Wylie.  His grace and style really inspire me.  He is one of the few
skaters left who win competitions as much on their artistic ability as on
their jumps.  I'm 32, and have been skating for only a year, so it's highly
unlikely that I'll ever land a triple- but when I watch him skate, it reminds
me that one can still be a beautiful skater without triple jumps.

My favorite program of his was the "Henry V" program he performed at the
Olympics.  I still watch that from time to time to see the beauty of his
skating- his spirals, spread eagles, arm positions, and so on.

I saw him at Stars on Ice, where he performed his "JFK" program.  I don't
care as much for the music as I did for the "Henry V" music, which is
probably why I liked the "Henry V" program better.  But, the "JFK" program
is a beautiful piece of skating, especially that lightning-fast footwork.
I also liked the part where Scott Hamilton and Brian Orser picked Paul up
and flipped him (that had to be Scotty's idea!).

BTW, I too would like to see pros and amateurs competing together, but the
problem is that the amateurs are usually broke; buying a new pair of skates,
a costume, or getting music professionally cut is usually a major investment
for them.  For that reason, I would like to see more events of the Chrysler
Pro-Am format, which gives amateurs a chance to get some decent prize money.

Sol
-----------

My opinions, not Loral's.
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From: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Subject: Re: Music at Public Skating Sessions
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:48:55 GMT

In <ABOULANG.93Jan9125402@kariba.bbn.com> aboulang@bbn.com (Albert Boulanger) writes:

>In article <jkaplenk.726355015@lucpul.it.luc.edu> jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu
>(Joe Kaplenk) writes:

>You go to the Rainbo roller rink in Chicago as I recall. That has lots
>of high seating that works.

Rainbo used to be an 3/4 size ice rink but was converted over to rollers
when McFetridge ice rink opened in Chicago. Before that though
it was a theater, so seating is great there, exiting the floor
is not a problem because half of one side is totally open and
there are bleachers right on the floor on the other side.
I've skated at Rainbo on and off, but it is very crowded
and small, great music though, also until recently they
had some major floor warping problems. They also have a
second small floor that is elevated for beginners to practice.

I've also skated at Orbit in Arlingon Heights, Il. and
volunteer teach roller classes at Streamwood, Il at Mainstreet
USA, which is where my coach is at and I take lessons.
Orbit is the size of an ice rink and recently went through
a major remodeling and looks really good. Mainstreet is small,
but not very crowded.  I've also been skating at the North Ave
Roller Rink, an old rink from the early thirties with organ 
music and a good crowd.

-- 
Joe Kaplenk,
jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu
312-764-1212 home, fax at home 312-465-0406
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: harbour@Rapnet.Sanders.Lockheed.Com (Susan Harbour)
Subject: Re: Music at Public Skating Sessions
Organization: Sanders Associates
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 23:26:34 GMT

In article <38447@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
>> 
>>    Anyone got a few million to spare?
>> 
>> Several skating folk in the Boston area are looking around for a
>> potential roller rink investment here in the Boston area  to make up for the
>> much-missed Spinoff.
>

   Forgive my ignorance, but where was "Spinoff"? and when did it close?

>They should come down to the South Eastern PA / Delaware area.  There
>are two ex-rinks currently up for sale/lease.  One, MaryLand, was a
>antique car auction house, but supposedly still has the floor intact
>and was "the rink" for a long time and is in an area now undergoing
>suburban development (i.e. kids aplenty).
>

   I would kind of question the condition the floor is in at this point,
   wouldn't you?

>The other "Spinning Wheels" on 202, served time as a lumber yard or
>home improvment store and no longer has a floor.  It was a 70's boom
>rink.
>
>Too bad I ain't rich...
>

   Yeah, my sentiments exactly....

   There was a rink in Manchester, N.H. that is currently a full time
   Bingo parlor (what a shame...) And, rumor has it that there is a very well
   known rink in Southern Mass. that has been and probably still is, on the 
   hairy hinges of getting closed down as well....I'd love to bail that 
   particular one out myself....

   Here's a question.....do folks out there think a roller rink can be
   made to turn a profit? and do you agree that the best place to open
   a rink is where there already IS skating, as opposed to trying to bring
   skating to a skateless area?

   My S.O. (a Roller skating coach), and me sometimes fantasize about
   owning a rink. I guess we're not alone!

   Susan



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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Ultra Wheels Gretzky Wings: my comments
Originator: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 06:37:25 GMT

Well, I'm a newcomer to in-line skating, but after all of the helpful
comments I received to help me with my purchase, I thought I'd offer my
thoughts on my new skates.

Quick review:  They're great!

Details:

I had been using a cheap pair for a couple of weeks, so of course the Wings
are going to seem much nicer, especially the better bearings, but I also
tried some other nice models in my search, so I have at least a small basis
for comparison.

Good points 
-----------
* Good bearings, very smooth ride, good coasting distance
* Very, very comfortable.  I can't stress this enough.  The difference between
  these and the cheap ones is, not surprisingly, trememdous.  But even     
  compared to some other fairly expensive models I tried, the Gretzkys are by
  far the most comfortable.
* The ankle buckle is a dream... it allows you to really tighten the boot
  around the ankle, which I like a lot.
* I don't know how to describe it really, but you can just "move" so easily in
  these... you can turn, corner, spin to a stop... all very easily.  Movement
  just seems to be much more natural, and I haven't been skating very long.
  Skating backward seems easier on these also.  As someone noted, I think in
  a review in the FAQ, they make it feel more like you're on ice. 
* Minor point: they look damn good... nice black and silver design.
* I got them for $129.99 (mail order).

Bad point
---------
* Just one... they are a bit more awkward to put on than any of the other
  models I tried.  The tongue piece seems to want to crawl out of the body of
  the boot.  But once you get them on, no problems.

All in all, I love them.  For what my opinion is worth, I would recommend them
to anyone, especially for hockey, because of the good maneuvering ability that
they provide. 

Thanks again to all who helped me in my search.

Jim

P.S.  Oh yeah, I almost forgot, mine were shipped without shoe laces.   
      I assume this was just an error, since every other model I "test drove"
      came with the laces.  Is this correct?
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
From: skk@gsg.pa.dec.com (Stuart Kreitman)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Bauer XR-10 any good?
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:06:57 GMT
Reply-To: skk@gsg.pa.dec.com (Stuart Kreitman)
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: gsg.pa.dec.com

A local store has these discounted to $300. I'm interested in
upgrading to a 5 wheel racing skate, but this model has beefy
metal plates and is on the heavy side. How does the XR-10 compare
to racerblades or other models?

Its too wet here to skate :-(
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: mdm@bnr.ca (Diane MacMartin)
Subject: Re: Favorite skater
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 01:01:59 GMT

Well Sandra beat me to it, but my all-time favorite skater is also
Toller Cranston.  He was Canadian champ at the time when I started
following figure skating - early 70's - and overturned my opinion that
the men's event was boring.  He continues to enhance the sport with his
choreography of others' programs, and I still like to watch him perform.
Whenever I see a skating move that includes some portion of the body 
other than the blades on the ice, I think of his innovations.

But I have lots of favorites, mostly Canadians.  Torvill & Dean (Brits)
run a close second.  Kurt Browning, before his back injury - but his 
very gracious acceptance of defeat at the Olympics/worlds of '92 without
whining or making up excuses really showed his class - I truly believe that
he is the nice guy he is purported to be.

And I think that Brian Boitano is perhaps the greatest skater ever.

Hough and Ladret are a great team to watch in exhibition.  Brasseur and
Eisler do a lot of breathtaking moves, but I think he has an attitude
problem.  And I like to watch Denise Biellman because she is the one
who does her spin the best.

-- 
Diane MacMartin       Bell-Northern Research, Ltd     Ottawa, Canada
mdm@bnr.ca            Any opinions are my own and do not represent BNR.
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From: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson)
Subject: xxx
Keywords: xxx
Reply-To: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:45:56 GMT

I'm suprised nobody has mentioned them yet, but the Russian
ice dancers that were on "Evening with Champions" on PBS a couple
of nights ago are hands down the best ice dancers I've ever 
seen.  Somebody out there needs to help me with their names (I
can never remember the names of the Russians because I can never
pronounce them!)  The man's name was Sergie something.  They previewed
a new routine on the PBS show that started out with him hauling 
her around the ice with this long black cloth.  These are the guys
who always win first place by a mile in whatever competition they
are in.

In the singles department, it's a toss up between Scott Hamilton 
and Paul Wylie.  Somebody said that Wylie graduated from Harvard.
Does anyone know what his major was?

Kevin Anderson


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From: kewasiel@unix.amherst.edu (They call me Ren)
Subject: Re: cheapo slideboards
Organization: Amherst College
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:24:08 GMT

um....what's a slideboard?  what do you do with it?  just curious.

(:  karen
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From: carolh@meaddata.com (Carol Hickmott)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Favorite skater
Date: 12 Jan 1993 15:21:33 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
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stuff deleted

|> >>
|> >That's one of my favorites too. I watch it occasionally, but I usually
|> >get disgusted with Scott Hamilton's commentary that really messes up
|> >the music. There is a video of the 92 Winter Olympics that I've
|> >been thinking of buying. Is there anyone out there that has it and
|> >could you tell me if they cut out the insane commentary during the
|> >programs?
|> >
|> >Mary
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> 
|> I have a copy of the 92 Olympic video that is devoted to figure
|> skating.  Yes, the commentary is deleted.
|> 
|> 
I remember an 800 number to call to order the 92 Olympic video...can anyone
tell me the number or if the video is still available?  thanks in advance...
|> 
|> 
|> 

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