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From: gj156879@alfred.carleton.ca ( gj student 156879)
Subject: Burning House Dream and Catching that Witch.
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:08:06 GMT

I'm getting more and more interested in the idea that dream characters
are actually "multiple personalities" of yourself.  Therefore, when
looking at the burning house dream someone posted, it could be
possible that the witch dream stopped because she was absorbed into
the Ego.  (That is, the main personality caught the sub-personality
and absorbed it!)
 
This idea has great appeal to me.  Anyone with criticism or flaws in
the concepts, feel free to hack away at the theory before I make it my
personal flag!
 
                                                  Nik

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: ma3750@eehp3 (Mark Thomas Arisman)
Subject: Re: flight
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 17:14:28 GMT

devil@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (The Beast) writes:

>WOW! Last night I actually flew in my dream! I was on top of a buliding and then I just jumped off; somehow I knew it was a dream and was confident that nothing would happen to me. Defying the law of gravity felt great. The sensation was indescribable. I usually do not remember my dreams, but this one is quite vivid in my head. Anybody else out there have a similar experience?

Yes, I had dream recently that I could fly. It was probably the
best dream I've ever had. In my dream, I did not realize that it
was a dream which made it all the more spectacular. It was strange
because I was learning how to fly in my dream. At first I could only
fly short distances and would have to get a big running start. After 
a while, I became really good at it, and good start from a stand still.

I remember the dream vividly which is unusual for me. The reason I   
remember it so well is probably that I woke up suddenly and recalled
my dream immediately.

Mark Arisman
From: SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu (Senthil Ramas Kumar)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: A Question to lucid dreamers
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:49:20 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I would really like to thank all of u who responded to my question.  One
common feature I find in all of u're responses are that they all seem very
reluctant to admit that they are indeed in a dream.  It is not just
reluctance, but also a sence of resignation on thier part.  I find thier
reaction very interesting and amusing, and can anyone extrapolate on this
and say (just a guess will do) why this is so.  I noted that micheal
concluded that the entire dream sequence is the creation of only one
dream-ego (the dreamer's), if this is so, why are the other dream characters
acting in this strange fashion.  I feel that if indeed that if the other
dream person was my own creation, the other person would have responded
positively, something like " wow, I am only in u're dream, amazing isint it
? " maybe I got this point wrong.  micheal, can u further elaborate on u're
hypothesis ?

once again, thankx for those thought provoking answers. brilliant :)

Kumar
From: ledfodr@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: <None>
Date: 7 Nov 92 14:44:39 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

I agree with some of what you are saying, but I honestly think there
is a fine line between rational and going too far.  I believe in 
the paranormal and have had most experiences, but I still do not 
think that there is *ONE* god above.  If there is anything there,
it is a collection of what Ruth Montgomery called "I am".  It is a 
combination of matter and intelligence, and makes up (or is in)
everything in the universe.  I also do not think that there are
Masters that started the religions.  Who is to say that the people
who started these religions weren't basket-cases who hallucinated?
If you don't mind, i would like some information on your "group".
You can e-mail me on bitnet or send it to me at:
			Daniel R. Ledford
 			1766 Russellville Rd. PFT 520
			Bowling Green, KY.  42101
I would appreciate a responce from you.      
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: sdt8s@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Steve Tilson)
Subject: Re: Who do these characters get peeved?
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:49:57 GMT

I think the reason characters in a dream get peeved when you
tell them they're dreams is that we EXPECT them to. Since
they're just creations of our own minds, and bound by the
parameters of our minds, they react in the way we expect them
to.

Just a suggestion, of course.

Steve
--
Roses are red, 
Violets are blue.
I'm a schizophrenic
And so am I.
From: ptaplin@escher.arch.adelaide.edu.au (Paul Taplin)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Anyone built their own "DreamLight"?
Date: 13 Nov 1992 08:15:36 GMT
Organization: Department of Architecture, University of Adelaide.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: escher.arch.adelaide.edu.au

I've often thought it would be a fun project to build a
"DreamLight"-type device, that wakes the user after a period of REM
during sleep.
I recall reading in a book by Keith(?) Hearne of Hull University (UK)
that he experimented initially in this area using a bead thermistor
that was positioned beneath one nostril of the sleeping subject. The
hardware connected to the thermistor signalled the subject (with
flashing lights, or a soft sound?) when temperature changes recorded
by the subject inhaling and exhaling were rapid enough or uneven (or
something), suggesting that the subject was in REM sleep.
Does this sound correct?
What about sensors that detect muscle movement around the eyes? How do
they work?
Any electronic gizmos would be connected to an analog-to-digital
convertor for sampling by a PC (with some rough-as-guts code I guess).
I'm no electronics whizz but thought I might get someone to bite. Has
anyone tried this sort of thing at home?

Sweet dreams,

Paul.
(aka Taps)

-- 
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Dept of Architecture
University of Adelaide   < something witty to be inserted >
South Australia          < here at a later date :-)       >
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Night terriors
From: bell@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:49:51 -0800
Organization: Sonoma State University
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: LUCIDITY INSTITUTE EXPERIMENT #1
From: Robert_Sutton@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Sutton)
Date: 12 Nov 92 10:48:32 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

clint@waldron.stanford.edu(Jennifer Dole) Mon 9 Nov 92 20:02:27 GMT
types--
>Dreams feel as real as waking life...

NO

******************************
WIRED A DREAM IN AWAKE LAND
****************************************
From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Statistics (was Re: crash...)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 12:03:35 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau29.ira.uka.de

In article <yy+ql_b@lynx.unm.edu> preiser@cancer.unm.edu writes:
>>>The point is that with 5 billion people dreaming every night, 
>>>occasionally someone will dream of *something* which seems to
>>>correspond to an actual event.  If you had not heard the report
>>>of the actual accident, your dream would probably be quickly
>>>forgotten.
>>
>>  These sort of arguments don't get you anywhere.  You could be having real
>>precognitive dreams and still dismiss them because they are "statistically
>>bound to happen".
>
>...
>When we have a hard question, and not enough evidence to support a definitive
>answer, we can use statistics to point us in the right direction.  In fact,
>once we have enough evidence on precognative dreams, statistical methods can
>indicate to us whether our results are really evidence of precognition or
>whether they are due only to random coincidence.

Could you be more specific? How much evidence for precognition do we
need in the first place, and how do we apply statistics to confirm
them? (Or to dismiss them, as above?)

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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: cs000rdw@selway.umt.edu (Richard D Warner)
Subject: Re: night terriors
Summary: Night terriors:  Yes, they do have a purpose!
Organization: University of Montana
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:03:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.125659.1@vax.sonoma.edu>, bell@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
> I am looking for information on night terriors.  What purpose do they serve.
> Can any one out there give me some good ideas of places to start?
>   Thanks in advance.

This is an important question, and I'm surprised that no one has asked it
before.  First, a definition is in order.  Night terriors are small, dog-like
beings that lucid dreamers often encounter.  Usually, they are making yap-yap
sounds and nipping at your heels.  Although annoying, most lucid dreamers 
regard them as harmless, and merely as a signal that they are in a lucid 
state.  In fact, some practitioners regard them as a "rite of passage" 
more commonly encountered by new dreamers.  When one is at peace with 
the experience, and ready to move into the next plateau (night Dobermans,
or night Rotweilers), then one usually instinctively stumbles across a
"punting manuever" that effectively dissapates the night terrior energy;->

Rich
From: s_titz@irau27.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: False awakenings
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:49:17 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau27.ira.uka.de

In article <1992Nov3.030821.2876@infodev.cam.ac.uk> rjh27@cl.cam.ac.uk (R.J. Hindle) writes:

>...
>What _is_ perhaps unusual is that very occasionally (that is, maybe
>three times in my life), the dream apparently ends in the usual way,
 ^^^^^^^^^^^
Maybe more often, but you just forgot it.

>with me waking up very relieved to be free of the trapped feeling with
>which the dream ends, only to realise that I am _still_ dreaming - and
>to have the whole process (realisation of being in a dream, trapped and
>paralysed, eventual waking after a long struggle) repeats itself, this
>time by waking into the real world.

These false awakening dreams are common; I've had them and many other
people here have reported them.

>...
>Has anyone else out there experienced this kind of "Thank God, I'm awake
>now. ...  Oh NO, I'm still dreaming! How do I get out?" dream?

My feelings (I'm used to lucid dreaming) in this case are usually the
other way around. The key question is not to get out, but NOT to get
out... (depends on *what* you're dreaming, of course).

olaf


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From: f39423v@taltta.hut.fi (Samu Karanko)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Wow! So that's what it was... "My 1st lucid dream"
Summary: This is a good group to have around! Helped me at least.
Date: 5 Nov 92 13:24:46 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

Last night I was having a dream in which I was driving through Hong
Kong. I wasn't the one doing the driving, but stood instead on the
passenger seat of the car, leaning on the wind shield, feeling the
breeze in my face. (It was one those cars where you can fold the roof,
I don't know the term in english.) Then I suddenly realized that,
hey, I've never been that far outside of Europe, so I must be having a
dream! It was most peculiar, but having gone through the 150 articles
that waited for me here, I already feel a lot less spectacular...

Anyway, after I realized I was dreaming I tried to wake myself up. I
recalled that in all the comic books they always pinch themselves to
test if they're sleeping. Well, we were just driving past a
construction site, and there was this huge, massively built man
carrying something, so as he was beside us I extended an elbow in order
to hit him: OOUUUTS! It hurt, it hurt real bad! Then I remembered,
having read my Castaneda's while younger, that you were supposed to
look at you hands while dreaming. (I do not remember what you were
supposed to with them...) So I raised my left hand, (I kept hold of the
wind shield with the other) and there it was, ring and all! It seemed
somehow significant that I was able to do all that, just as if I were
in the waking world. Then I started to examine the rest of my body and
woke up. Real sad, 'cause it was so exciting :-(

A friend of mine told me to look up alt.dreams, when I told him about
my dream. Having now read all the previous articles here, it now seems
quite an ordinary thing and I'm depressed that I didn't think of
flying and all the fancy things you others have tried.

There's just one thing here that still bugs me. In the story above I
didn't tell all that much about details, because I'm not sure whether
I want to have backup for the background scenery of that dream or not.
But just in case... is there someone reading this, who either has
intimate knowledge of the layout of Hong Kong or, even better, happens
to live there? I myself can't even recall ever having seen a movie
situated in Hong Kong. And I don't know how I knew it was Hong Kong.

Samu.
Email to samu.karanko@hut.fi

P.S. No, I'm not a regular dreamer. I could almost count the number of
     dreams I have remembered during my life. And VERY easily count
     the number of dreams in which I have played an active part and
     KNOWN I was dreaming! No, I just can't feel depressed, this was
     too much fun!

-  Samu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: soubyran@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Soubyran Richard)
Subject: Simple question...
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:13:52 GMT


Hello Dreamers!

I dunno if it is the right place to post this... but I'll give it a
try!

I have a simple question... I do not wish to go into details about
my dream... but I would like you to tell me what those 2 things
mean:

	I had to extinguish a fire. I wasn't the fireman in the dream.
I simply had to extinguish it and then came the firemen.

	What does it mean when a woman give birth to a baby with teeth?

I thank you all in advance!

Richard Soubyran
soubyran@alize.ere.umontreal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman)
Subject: Dream therapy
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:56:55 GMT

I have written on a different subject but now I would like
to ponder with you another.
I have heard of dream therapy. It is where you imagine yourself getting
better and you eventually do.Who knows more about this?
I have used my dreams for personal exploration of different possibilities
by controlling the circumstances and giving myself a virtual reality
type of look at the problem.
I am no longer able to do this but I do the same thing with advanced
meditaion on the theme.
Who else does this? Is it common?
I have heard it is impossible but know many who have done it besides
myself.
later

-- 
From the coffee table of MR SHANNON SALTZMAN
"Is doggie heavan kitty hell?"
     Stephanie Phoenix(age 6)
This in everyway represents the authors opinion!!!(take it if ya want)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: philip@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Philip Stephens)
Subject: Re: Statistics (was Re: crash...)
Organization: Labtam Australia Pty. Ltd., Melbourne, Australia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:28:11 GMT

>When we have a hard question, and not enough evidence to support a definitive
>answer, we can use statistics to point us in the right direction.  In fact,
>once we have enough evidence on precognative dreams, statistical methods can
>indicate to us whether our results are really evidence of precognition or
>whether they are due only to random coincidence.

  This method is fine, except that it can fall down if precognition is not
repeatable on demand (due to too many factors getting in the way).  In that
case, you'll never get results that rise above the statistical norm for
coincidental events.
  So what's the problem, you ask?  Well, what if we can never get a handle on
all of the factors involved in precognition?  What if there is no way to figure
out how to make it repeatable, and yet the phenomena stills exists and can be
activated under the right conditions?  How long will it take for scientists to
grudgingly admit that it does exist, even though it cannot be proven in the
standard way?
  This seems to be a basic problem related to many areas of pursuit (such as
lucid dreaming, other forms of ESP, and what have you).  They are very
difficult to reproduce--possibility impossible to reproduce 100% of the
time--so these areas are not given the attention they deserve.
 
  Anyway, these are fairly obvious points I guess, and ultimately with only X
amount of funding for scientific research, some of the "less likely" phenomena
are not going to be proven to exist for a long time yet...

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From: marcs@yang.earlham.edu (Marc Seebass(Thunderbolt))
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Dreams based on Tv/Books/movies
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:17:54 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana


	I have had a couple of dreams that about books I was reading, 
movies I had seen or TV shows I had watched. Has anyone else had simmilar 
experiances? If people are intrested I'll take time to describe a few of 
these dreams, but I don't want to waste my time if no one is interested.

----Marc Seebass
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: preiser@cancer.unm.edu (Doug Preiser)
Subject: Re: Wow! So that's what it was... "My 1st lucid dream"
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 22:47:37 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center
Reply-To: preiser@cancer.unm.edu

In article <1992Nov5.234449.18099@tcsi.com>, miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.) writes:

>I have been able to look at one hand with some effort, but have
>found that bringing up the *other* hand was massively harder, like
>trying to lift the heaviest weight I could.
>
>Have others experienced this?  Is there a bilateral assymmetry to it?
>---
>Michael Turner
>miket@tcs.com

When I have looked at my hands in dreams I've looked at both of them at the
same time with no effort.  They usually look strange though, or out of focus.

Doug.
   Internet: preiser@cancer.unm.edu
   Bitnet:   preiser@unmb                     I do M
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:13:25 EST
From: Senthil Ramas Kumar <SRK106@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Telepathy in Dreams (The Dreamer)

really interesting, can we as a whole group do some more experiments along
these lines ?

Kumar
From: s_titz@ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: breathing (was Re: Flying,hands,etc)
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:03:06 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau27.ira.uka.de

In article <1992Nov11.023415.18015@tcsi.com> miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.) writes:
>...
>Another thing I don't know about is breath control.  I'm usually not
>aware of breathing in dreams.  And when I am, it's often some acute
>sensation, such as feeling stifled, that, upon waking, has no physical
>obvious physical correlate.

My experience is that breathing in dreams does correlate with the
environment. When I was young I used to pull the sheets over my head
at night and subsequently dream of suffocating. I quickly recognized
the correlation and abandoned that, how cold it might have been ;-)

olaf
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From: s_titz@irau27.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: crash...
Date: 5 Nov 1992 17:50:11 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft math/inf, Uni Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: irau27.ira.uka.de

In article <1992Nov4.173949.3362@netcom.com> anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) writes:
>The point is that with 5 billion people dreaming every night, 
>occasionally someone will dream of *something* which seems to
>correspond to an actual event.  If you had not heard the report
>of the actual accident, your dream would probably be quickly
>forgotten.

I think you're right. - As I said, you may get along with the
'Coincidence' label, and maybe I'll get along with it too. :-)


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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: st1fa@rosie.uh.edu (GREETINGS FROM THE LONE STAR STATE)
Subject: RE:flight
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 01:48:00 GMT

	I've had many dreams, especially when I was little.  That if I could
just run and jump up into the air, I would be able to fly.  I loved the 
sensation too.  I'm envious...I haven't had a flying dream in 7 years.
From: LB.FHG@isumvs.iastate.edu (Fred Gulden)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Burning house
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:54:46 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

Having recently discovered this group and again becoming interested in
the subject of lucid dreams, I have been reminded of a recurring dream
I used to have as a child (elementary school age).  I would be interested
to hear what some of you "dream analysts" have to say about it.

The Dream:
I would be coming out of school on the way home.  But as I approached
the house next to the school, the sidewalk was blocked.  The house
was on fire.  I never actually saw flames, but smoke was always pouring
out of building.  There was a fire truck, and fire hoses lying on the
sidewalk and yard.  The firemen were grouped together on the sidewalk,
but were afraid to approach the house.   As I looked at the house, it
became clear to me that the reason for their fear was that a witch
lived in the house.  I could see her, sometimes in the window, sometimes
in the doorway, looking out at the firemen although I could never see
her face clearly.

The dream would end with me waking up in fright.  Sometimes I would try
to approach the house, sometimes I would try to run past, sometimes I
was just rooted to the spot, but I always woke up as from a nightmare.

Then one night I turned lucid in the dream.  (This was over 30 years ago,
but I remember it clearly.)  I realized that it was a dream, and that I
could go find out who the witch was.  As I approached the house, the
witch ran out the door and I started chasing her.  After what in real
life is a distance of about 1/2 mile I brought her down with a flying
tackle.  As I started to roll her over to see who she was, I woke up.
I never saw her face.

I never had the dream again after that.  Any thoughts?
--
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