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From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: The Naked Guy featured in 11/5 SJ Merc
Date: 10 Nov 1992 16:40:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: ba
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
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In article <HERMIT.92Nov10012129@am.ucsc.edu> hermit@cats.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward) writes:
>Apparently he used to go nude, but got enough complaints that the
>administration required him to wear the bandana.  At least part of the
>complaints came via the sexual harassment dept., unfortunately.  He is
>a large, muscular man, and I suppose that intimidated some of the
>women on campus.
---
	Apparently there were too many complaints.  He was suspended yesturday
for two weeks for nudity and sexual behaviour.  The charge as I heard it
on the radio was vague and no further details were given.

    Things on campuses don't seem to get alot of attention in the media.
I have yet to hear anything on the news about the students that were
maced and beaten yesturday by police at UCSC during a campus
demonstration.  I guess that stuff just isn't newsworthy anymore.
--
 --- "If women really earned fifty-nine cents to the dollar for the same
 work as men, what business could compete effectively by hiring men at
 any level?"    -- Dr. Warren Farrell
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: tel@cbnews.cb.att.com (thomas.e.lester)
Subject: Re: Going Topless/Nude in a Convertable
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:14:22 GMT

In article <BxHM73.KpI@access.digex.com> bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler) writes:
!>v024971@plato.lsvl8.stortek.com (Robert J. Waddell) writes:
!>>I have been told that it is perfectly legal to drive a motorhome nude now. Does
!>>anyone have any facts on this? 
!>
!>I wasn't aware that it was necessarily ever illegal. This kind
!>of thing is local to the state or county, anyhow.
!>

    I have been told that in Pennsylvania it is illegal to drive without
    shoes!

    No other article of clothing was specificly required.  Shoes were required
    supposedly because of the higher force you could exert for braking.
    With todays power assist, it may not make sense any more, but it
    may still be the law.

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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: scridd@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JEFF)
Subject: Re: Christian nudists
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: 13 Nov 1992 14:57 EST  

In article <BxMw86.9sL@ns1.nodak.edu>, galster@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight Galster) writes...
>I know some people (as above) are complaining that this discussion doesn't
>belong here.  However, I am very interested in examining the subject of
>whether Christians may be nudists.  I don't think we have gotten to the
>heart of the issue yet.  Perhaps we should look at all the references
>which seem to *require* clothing and see if we can determine the underlying
>reasons.  Or are we afraid we may not like the results?

So what are the references that *seem* to require clothing, so that we can
discuss them.

> 
>Dwight Galster

Jeff
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Subject: Re: Chrisitan nudes
Reply-To: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 16:26:53 GMT

In article <BxK508.L6w.2@cs.cmu.edu>, Karl_Kleinpaste@cs.cmu.edu writes:
|> leed@pro-harold.cts.com writes:
|>      How do we know Adam and Eve were married. I can't find my bible so can't
|>      check out the text.
|> 
|> Oh, ferpetesake kiddies, if you KNOW that you DON'T KNOW something,
|> why inflict your self-acknowledged lack of information on the rest of
|> us all?
|> 
|> Gen 2:25, *poof*, done, question answered, problem solved.
|> 
|>      Or course it's all open to interpetation.
|> 
|> No, it emphatically is not.  In any situation where the language
|> before you is plain, it needs no interpretation.  Knock yourself out
|> trying to interpret Daniel or Revelation, sure.  But when 2:25 says
|> "the man and his wife," well, somehow it just smacks of a total lack
|> of a need for "interpretation."

It's time this thread went somewhere else.  

BTW, that Bible you're reading in English IS itself an interpretation.  In
fact it's an interpretation of an interpretation of.....ad infinitum.  Every
translation, every attempt to beautify the language, every concession the
various translators made to backwater kings and small-time church officials
was a departure from whatever the original message was.  And all along,
every reader further distorted the message by adding his or her own 
self-serving interpretation.

So interpret away.  But please take it to /dev/null/interpretations.


Mike Lynch

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas)
Subject: Any nude beaches/clubs near Hallifax, N.S.
Organization: VTT
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 06:56:22 GMT

I just received email from someone who was wondering if there
are any nude beaches or clubs near Hallifax, Nova Scotia.

I do not know the person who made the enquiry, but am posting
his query to the net.

-- 
doug foxvog     
dfo@tko.vtt.fi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: email meet, and results....
From: rule@kenyon.edu
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:58:21 -0500
Organization: Kenyon College

I have two things to say real quickly before I leave.....

1)  I'm all for the e-mail swim meet.  I can post all of my times after I get
the results back from the coachman.

2) I already have a result of a swim meet for you.
THE NCAC RELAYS  held on the first weekend of november:

MEN:
Kenyon 129
Denison 79
??????  ??

WOMEN:
Denison 128
Kenyon 108
??????? ??

THIS WEEKEND!!!!

Friday:  At denison, the Lords and the Ladies will duel it out with two teams
at once!  Denison and Emory.
Saturday:  The Lords and the Ladies are at home vs Miami (OH) University.  
More to follow as things happen....

	John
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: finicky@twain.Stanford.EDU (Kevin Morris)
Subject: Summer Swim Team needs coach
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 21:02:29 GMT


I'm a coach for a summer league swim team in the Stanford/Portola Valley
area.  Our season runs from about April to the end of July.  It's not
great pay (about $8 and hour), but you get to work with a lot of great
kids.  If you're interested, let me know.  We'd prefer someone with
experience, but don't let this stop you at all.  Most of the coaches now
are college students (including myself), but we'd like someone a bit 
older.

*----------------------------*------------------------------------*
* Kevin Morris               *                                    *
* Twain 122 - Stern Hall     * I'm a CSE major, the RCC in Twain, *
* Stanford University        * asst coach for SOLO Swim Club, and *
* (415)-497-0792             * a big Elvis fan.                   *
* finicky@leland.stanford.edu*                                    *
*----------------------------*------------------------------------*
From: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM (Tim Cespedes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Set: Mind Grinder
Date: 11 Nov 1992 23:45:08 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunpool.ebay.sun.com


For those of you that have to make up your own workouts, here's a set
that I used to do.  I picked up the original set in college.  

There's no rest in-between the sets.  I don't know the origin of
the name although it does seem to fit if you do the original set.
This is just the main set so you'll have to come up with a warm-up
and cool-down on your own.  (And you'll also have to come up with
the motivation :-)


	Mind Grinder

(Original Set)
	20 x  50 on  :40   =   1000
	10 x 100 on 1:20   =   1000
	 5 x 200 on 2:40   =   1000
	10 x 100 on 1:10   =   1000
	20 x  50 on  :35   =   1000
			       ----
			       5000 yds.

(Variation)
	 8 x  50 on  :40   =    400
	 4 x 100 on 1:20   =    400
	 2 x 200 on 2:40   =    400
	 4 x 100 on 1:20   =    400
	 8 x  50 on  :40   =    400
			       ----
			       2000 yds.

Adapt the interval to your own pace.  To change the total distance
just change the number of 50s, 100s & 200s.  

	Ex. 12 x 50s, 6 x 100s, 3 x 200s, etc.  =  3000 yds/meters
	     4 x 50s, 2 x 100s, 1 x 200, etc.   =  1000 yds/meters

Other variations are:

	- Pull the 2nd set of 100s & 50s.
	- Swim different strokes in IM order on the 50s, swim IMs
	  on the 100s & 200s.

Enjoy,
Tim
From: jlinder@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Darrow Linder)
Subject: Re: Personal Build
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Date: 7 Nov 92 15:32:17 GMT

>> What I've noticed
>> build-wise is that most of the best freestylers and butterflyers, especially
>> women, have hyperextendable knees.  Matt Cetlinski coaches and trains
>> a little here in Maryland, and the first time I saw him on deck I was
>> stunned at how much flexion he had in his knees.
>>
>Don't forget plantar flexion of the ankles, which is very important in
>terms of kicking propultion.  Also big hands and feet don't hurt.

Well, from what I have been told, the size and strength is good.... as long
as you don't have to swim a long race.  I myself am about the same size as you
and have never had problems racing 50-200 free or of strokes but when it
came to anything longer, I always lost.  Also, the more muscle you have,
more often than not, flexibility is lost and in swimming, flexibility is
probably one of the most fundamental, should I say, "talents" of the
swimmer.  I myself could never touch my toes....

-D
From: jsd@esl.com (Jeff Dalton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: E-Mail Swim Meet - Anyone Interested?
Date: 8 Nov 92 04:57:32 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.swimming
Organization: ESL Inc., S'vale CA

In article <1505@tekgen.bv.tek.com>, brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce
Cheney) wrote:
> 
> 
> I often see flyers for "Postal" Swim Meets ...
> The event(s) doesn't have to a "traditional" one, either.

What about relays?  ;-)

--
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disclaimer/quote>
jsd@esl.com
From: earhartgregm@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: E-Mail Swim Meet - Let's Do It!
Date: 7 Nov 92 14:17:16 CDT
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

I remember that there was a fax-meet between a club in the US and one in 
the USSR'nt, and one of the participants was none other than Paul "Butterfly 
is a political statement, breastroke is an athletic event" Tsongas.  What 
they did was swim at the same time and then faxed results back and forth to 
declare the victors.  I'm sure we could do something like that with say a 
standard 13-event program (16 for those of you that are ambitious) and then 
simply post the results here or to one person, who would then compile the 
results and post them.  I'd be willing to do complie and post 
everything--be the "meet director" so to speak.    
Perhaps, we could even run duals between club, colleges, etc. and even have 
an "Internet Record Board."  Let's get this thing going!!!

Greg Earhart					Boys play basketball
Buena Vista College				Men Wrestle
GO BEAVERS!!!					Only Animals Swim!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: College Swimming Problem
From: Paul Fortoul <OWLCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 5 Nov 1992 19:14:23 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I believe that participating in sports requires sacrifices of both time
and energy.  Weight training is a valuable supplement for swimmer to the
training done in the pool, even if it is at 6:00 AM.  You must decide if
getting up early is a worthwhile sacrifice for the improvements that you
will gain by the weight training.
However, I also believe that coaches should not ask for sacrifices from
their athletes that they themselves are not willing to make.  Your coach
sends contradictory messages by making weights mandatory and then not
showing up himself because "he doesn't want to be a baby sitter."  He
should be there to give the message that it is worth getting up early
for weights.  If he doesn't need to conduct the weight training session
he can use the time to write-up workouts or be available for swimmers to
talk to him.
Ultimately, each swimmer is responsible for deciding their own efforts:
How much to train, What types of training, How hard to train, etc.
If you have a low-key swimming program and the captains don't want to
enforce the morning weight training program then don't and let the coach
figure out how to enforce it himself.
Unfortunately, it is harder to get motivated for weights in the program
you described, but the coach's inadequacies aren't a good excuse for not
doing the weights.  It may be harder, but if YOU want to do your best,
then YOU make sure that YOU get the training in.  Good luck with your
upcoming season.
By the way, I speak as former Division III swimmer and current masters
swimmer.  I also have coached for 10 years in several programs at
different levels.
From: paque@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Julie Paque)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Places to swim FAQ Great Idea
Date: 11 Nov 1992 15:14:17 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <1992Nov11.022651.26486@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
>In article <1992Nov03.220528.7986@convex.com> peters@convex.COM (James Peters) writes:
>>In article <31OCT92.15113472@enh.nist.gov> aoml@enh.nist.gov writes:
>>>This is a great idea.  I just got back from a business trip in Rockville
>>>Md. and because of Internet replys to my posting, was able to show up,
>>>unannounced for two mornings of training at the Rockville Municipal pool.
>>>Mucho thanks to shon shampain and his wife for their hospitality and to
>>>Rachel Schwartz and Jim Acker for their responses.  Its really nice to
>>>get an hour of training in before sitting at a meeting all day!
>>>Mark Powell NOAA Hurricane Research Division, Miami Fl
>>
>>i agree that this would be a good thing to have. i believe masters has
>>a hardcopy list out there which would make a good starting point.
>>
>>BTW, where do the clearwater and st petersburg, florida masters swim?
>>
>>regards,
>>james, peters@convex.com
>
>
>US Masters, 508-886-6265, will fax you a list if you ask nicely.

That's the fax number, the number to reach the office and talk to 
a real person (Dorothy Donnelly) is 508-886-6631 (I've been calling
it every day, I have it memorized).  I mailing the USMS Rule Book to
the printer today, so I will have some time to check into (1) getting
the Places to Swim on disk so it can be posted, or available 
somehow, and (2) get the records into a format that can be 
posted (I have them on disk, but they are "landscape" mode to 
fit properly in Appendix A of the Rule book.

>
>-dk

Julie Paque
paque@pangea.stanford.edu

Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: brucec@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Bruce Cheney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: E-Mail Swim Meet - Anyone Interested?
Date: 6 Nov 92 21:04:48 GMT
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.


I often see flyers for "Postal" Swim Meets ...
you swim the event at the pool of your choice and
then mail the results to the meet director. He/she
collates the results and publishes them. This is
often done for ultra distance stuff (10K, 5K, etc.)
but is also done for groups that are not physically
close to each other.

That last phrase describes us usenet folks quite well,
so I thought: "Hey .... why not have an email swim
meet?"  I haven't thought out all the details, in fact,
I'm hoping that some folks on the net will apply their
postal experiences to the idea to help work out the
logistics (events, age groups, time period, etc.)

The event(s) doesn't have to a "traditional" one, either.
Here in Oregon we have a Postal Sprint Meet: 20 x 50 yards
on the 1:30. "Awards" (recognition) for best average, smallest
std. deviation, etc. 

Anyone interested?

Bruce Cheney
From: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM (Tim Cespedes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: seeking mailorder sources
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:15:32 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: timc@sunpool.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: sunpool.ebay.sun.com


Chuck,

Here's a couple that I know of:

J.D. Pence carries catalogs and supplies from Speedo, TYR, Arena,
Ocean and Hind.

	J.D. Pence Aquatic Supply
	3139 Pacific Ave
	Forest Grove, OR  97116

	voice:	1-800-547-2520
	fax:	1-503-357-1263

--------------------------------------

I've received a catalog of The Finals equipment from the
International Swim Hall of Fame (ISHOF) Products.

The number and address are:

	1-800-431-9111

	ISHOF Mail Order Company
	1 Hall of Fame Drive
	Ft. Lauderdale, FL  33316

Tim
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: watanabe@cs.uiuc.edu (Larry Watanabe)
Subject: Re: seeking mailorder sources 
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 20:30:31 GMT

Actually, 

"How do I buy swimming gear by mail-order"

might make a good addition to the FAQ list.

wmf@kiefer.chi.il.us (Bill Fischer) writes:

>> I would appreciate a reply from someone who could point me to a an
>> address or phone number for a catalog of mail-order swimming gear.

>Try our mailorder division, Adolph Kiefer and Associates. We sell
>"everything but the water" for the competitive and fitness swimmer. 

>You can request a catalog by calling 800-323-4071 or send email to our
>marketing director, Chip Allen (chip@kiefer.chi.il.us).


>+----------------------+
>| Bill Fischer         | The Kiefer Sports Group 
>| wmf@kiefer.chi.il.us | US Agents for Omega Electronics of Switzerland 
>+----------------------+
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: fishman@tracker.rtp.dg.com (Mike Fishman)
Subject: Re: Swimming Injury?  (was: Re: Ultra Distance Swims
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 18:17:50 GMT
Organization: Data General Corp., Westboro, MA

In article <1992Nov2.225613.142@kenyon.edu> rule@kenyon.edu writes:
>I wouldn't triple your yardage quickly.  I'm up to 8600 and I doubt I'll go
>much higer, mainly because I'm a sprinter but also it took us almost a month to
>get up to this much yardage.  You just can't spring into it, you have to work
>into it very slowly....

8600 YARDS? In ONE day? At one time??

May I ask how long it takes you to do 8600 yards?

I have trouble squeezing 2500 yards into an hour, but this includes time-out
for combat swimming.. 

Thanks..

						Mike Fishman
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From: caroline@topaz.Stanford.EDU (Caroline Lambert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
Subject: Re: Snotty question
Date: 9 Nov 1992 03:31:48 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.stanford.edu
Keywords: Sinuses, Chlorine

In article <1dbf67INNpc@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> dbaker@wilkins.iaims.bcm.tmc.edu (Donald George Baker) writes:
>Has anybody had success by just switching to a
>non-chlorinated pool?  (I've heard of ozone systems and bromine systems.)
>
I have had bad allergic reactions when swimming with a Masters team in a
local outdoor pool, and also in some indoor pools when I was traveling.
A couple of years ago I switched to swimming with Stanford Masters, and
have never had any sort of allergic reaction to the water in the
Stanford pools. Stanford uses something called the 'Tarn-Pure'
purification system, which I believe is a bromine system (perhaps some
of the other Stanford swimmers can correct me if I am wrong, but it's
not chlorine).

Based on that, I am almost certain the allergic reaction is related to
chlorine.

--
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Seismic Tomography Project      
Department of Geophysics, Stanford University
Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: jgacker@news.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker)
Subject: Re: Personal Build
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:15:58 GMT

Kevin S. Porterfield (kporterf@scott.skidmore.edu) wrote:
:    Here's a question that has been on my mind for quite a long time. I have 
: a rather large build (6'1" and 190lbs). Yet one of the only races I lost in 
: high school in my specialty (100 Breast) was to a guy who was my same height 
: but much more lanky (sp?) then me. Is there any apparant advantage in having 
: a big build or a skinny one? Would it possibly depend on the stroke that you 
: are swimming (I could understand how a skinnier person would thrive more in 
: freestyle than a big one would...maybe...I dunno)?
: 
:    And just a comment: Horray for Anita Nall getting the positive 
: recognition that she deserves in Swimming World this month!!!!!

	Barrowman is not particularly big or lanky.  What I've noticed
build-wise is that most of the best freestylers and butterflyers, especially
women, have hyperextendable knees.  Matt Cetlinski coaches and trains 
a little here in Maryland, and the first time I saw him on deck I was
stunned at how much flexion he had in his knees.

	Jim Acker
	jgacker@neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov

Newsgroups: rec.sport.swimming
From: leigh@wrs.com (Leigh Barker)
Subject: Re: Perscription Swimming Goggles
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:41:48 GMT

warriors@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Dave Maycon) writes:

>Everytime I swim with my contact on, there is always that fear of them 
>accidentally getting washed out of my eye(s), that would be a nightmare
>come true if this really happended during a triathlon.  I was wondering
>if anybody knows of companies would make perscription goggles.  And if
>they do, I would like to know if they come in various tints, are they
>fog proof, leak proof and reliabity.  I need comments or recommendations.

>Tx
>Dave

Speedo makes "prescription" goggles, available in some sporting goods stores.

There were several limitations:

	for nearsightedness only.

	same correction in both eyes.

	only available in certain correction (-2.0 diopters, -2.5, ..., -8.0).

	many of the possible corrections were missing where I found them.

On the other hand, I did buy a pair of the -8.0 goggles. (My prescription is
-8.5 in one eye, and -9.0 in the other, with some astigmatism as well.) I'm
still very pleased with them. They are anti-fog (as much as any goggles are
anti-fog), and smoke tinted, as well as UV blocking. I love them! Beats the
hell out of not knowing what my lanemates look like, and I can read the pace
clock. They were about $25 retail. I found them at Big 5 Sporting goods, and
they commented that they hadn't been selling well.

Barracuda make goggles to your exact prescription. Unfortunately, if you live
in California, you have to get them through your optometrist. Elsewhere, you
can call them (don't have the number, but I believe they are in Portland area)
and they will let you read them your prescription over the phone. I had a pair
once. They cost $140 in 1988. They were emphatically not anti-fog, and they 
always leaked.

I know, I know, you can adjust them so they don't leak. That doesn't happen 
to be true in my case. I even bought special double-thick foam. . .but I
digress.

Hope this is of some help. 
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