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From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: [BIO] Genetic survey (was:  Idle racial chit-chat)
Date: 28 Jul 1992 03:41:00 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

What's the current state of this research?  Are there any good
modern sources detailing the ethnologic diversity, e.g. height, weight,
skin color, hair, etc., among the various "races" or geographic
populations of man?
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,sci.lang,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.misc
From: tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu (Geoff Tuffli)
Subject: Taeis: co-op creation of internally-realistic fic world
Reply-To: tuff@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:14:55 GMT



	THE TAEIS PROJECT:

The Taeis Project is an attempt to create a fictional world constructed in
such a way that it is logically consistent in every possible facet from
history, culture, social systems, anthropology, linguistics, economics,
political systems, and so on.

The purpose of this is threefold: First, to provide a background for works
of fiction, both short stories and longer works - several people have already
expressed interest in this in particular, and a handful of short stories have
already been written. Second, to create a publically-usable world for other
uses such as interactive role-playing over the Internet. Third, and possibly
most importantly, to see if such an "artificial world" can be put together
drawing from the expertise of the various fields involved.

A fair amount has already been done - all or nearly all of it, however, has
been constructed through the best guesses of people who do not have extensive
or any professional background in the various subjects.

To this end, if anyone reading this is interested in contributing their ideas,
professional expertise in areas such as sociology, cultural anthropology,
political theory, economic theory, linguistics, historical trend theory or are
interested in writing stories based on this world, please feel free to check
your newsrec for alt.world.taeis. I will be reposting a number of the articles
already done.

Thank you for your patience and any help or knowledge you might have to offer.


		Geoff Tuffli
		University of Chicago

		tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: The Anthropology of Coca-Cola
Date: 27 Jul 92 14:22:28 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia

So did anyone see the Coke ad last night with the Japanese boy drinking
his first coke? Announcers Natalie Cole and Randy Travis gave a little
anthro lesson first. I paraphrase (from feeble memory):

"You know, there are so many different cultures, but deep down, were all
pretty alike. We all like to put our feet up, relax, and enjoy a nice
Coca-cola."

Gosh, thats not what they taught me in those 30 hrs of anthro classes i took..

-rob
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: The Anthropology of Coca-Cola
Date: 29 Jul 1992 19:00:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

In article <FSMADJA.92Jul29123946@figment.shearson.com>
fsmadja@alfred.shearson.com writes:
>All of culture is acquired !! And  there are a few things that look like
>universals in culture, and it is not that ridiculous to think of Coca cola as
>one  of these.

Yeah, right.  And at Georgia Tech in Atlanta they're working to find the
genetic basis for it.
From: sproles@pine.circa.ufl.edu (SPROLES)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: RE: the anthropology of Coca-cola
Keywords: coke, culture
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:09:36 GMT
Reply-To: sproles@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida  (ufl.edu)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4


Ah, Colanut beverage, it gets its kick removed (no *coke* in coke), then gets
the blame for the evils of its marketplace hackers.  No ain't nothin's good 
that's free, so CocaCola remains...
   THE BLACK WATER OF THE CAPITALISTS
I like it, so sue me.
SPROLES@PINE.CIRCA.UFL.EDU

Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill)
Subject: How To Reach Grover Krantz?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 01:40:22 GMT


   I am trying to reach one Grover Krantz at Washington State University. He
has an interest in cryptozoology and I'd like to discuss a few things with
him. Does anybody have a mailing address?
-- 
"A large creature about 7 1/2 to 8 foot tall. It was greyish black in color,
and as it went away from me I seen the backside of it walking as a man would
walk on it's hind legs."- Former Sheriff Oliver Potter, Vancouver, Washington
The Cryptozoology Information Network. Want on our Email mailing list? Amiga!
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: The Anthropology of Coca-Cola
Date: 27 Jul 92 22:44:45 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Jul27.142228.19058@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>So did anyone see the Coke ad last night with the Japanese boy drinking
>his first coke? 
Gee, a friend of mine who spent some time in Japan said that the Japanese
don't like American soft drinks - "they taste like medicine".  The natives
drink Calpis, which is fermented milk with lots of sugar.

Now my cousin's anthropologist wife tells me that the soft drink "Big Red"
is popular only in San Antonio, TX (and from tasting it I can't imagine
why it's popular there either).  And then there's Moxie, which the
Bostonians crave.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,misc.writing
From: stgprao@xing.unocal.com (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: references needed on letter writing
Originator: stgprao@xing
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:11:00 GMT

>In article <1992Jul23.214925.16549@news.media.mit.edu> asb@media.mit.edu (Amy Bruckman) writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know of any ethnographic, sociological, or 
>>social historical references on letter writing?

If there is no such general survey book, then this sounds like a good idea
for such a book!
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,misc.writing
From: claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Subject: Re: references needed on letter writing
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:08:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.214925.16549@news.media.mit.edu> asb@media.mit.edu (Amy Bruckman) writes:
>
>Does anyone know of any ethnographic, sociological, or 
>social historical references on letter writing?
			.
			.
			.
I won't soon be in a position to supply definite references,
but I sure agree that the topic could stand some investiga-
tion.

I know of no analytic works on letter-writing, but LOTS of
researchers mention letters, in passing.  Archaeologists
have turned up fascinating material at such disparate sites
and times as Roman Britain, Bjornhoelm (what Novgorod was
before the Vikings spoke Slavic) (the letters, incidentally,
were written on birch bark), Ptolemaic Egypt, *early* Meso-
potamia, Bokhara, and so on.  More epistolary folklore:
one tale I've heard about the Ifugao is that the youngsters
learn to read and write (a "difficult" script) informally,
outside school, motivated principally by the desire to pass
love-notes and related juvenilia.  Illich's deconstructions
of literacy make related points, I recall, for Middle Ages
Europe.

I suspect that if someone quantified the relative importance
of letter-writing (as opposed to all other writing), late
twentieth century western culture would come in on the low
end.  From what I know of my own ancestors and their col-
leagues, one of the first and last employments of an
individual's literacy was in handwritten personal corre-
spondence.
-- 

Cameron Laird
claird@Neosoft.com (claird%Neosoft.com@uunet.uu.net)	+1 713 267 7966
claird@litwin.com (claird%litwin.com@uunet.uu.net)  	+1 713 996 8546
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: rjsalvad@IASTATE.EDU (Ricardo J Salvador)
Subject: Re: Ethnographies of software developers
Reply-To: rjsalvad@IASTATE.EDU (Ricardo J Salvador)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:59:54 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.171825.12649@nynexst.com>, selvin@nynexst.com (Al Selvin)
writes:
> 
> Can anyone point me to good references for anthropological,
> cultural, ethnographic etc. studies of software developers
> in their work context? I'm not looking for references
> like _Peopleware_ or _The Mythical Man-Month_, but
> rather for actual ethnographies of programming 
> cultures.

You may find some of what you want in Susan Lammers' "Programmers at Work"
(Microsoft Press/Harper and Row, 1986).  This is a series of interviews
with some key programming gurus (some who I remember are Jonathan Sachs and
Jeff Raskin).  I found it very interesting and revealing, and some glimpses
into the culture are seen here and there, though this was not the focus of
the book.  This was supposed to be the first of series of books containing
similar interviews with many other programmers, but I've not seen such a
beast since then.

Ricardo

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From: bjgaed@bb1t.monsanto.com
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,sci.lang,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.misc
Subject: Re: Taeis: co-op creation of internally-realistic fic worldSKIP
Date: 31 Jul 92 07:18:03 CST
Organization: Monsanto Company, St. Louis, MO

In article <1992Jul30.191455.12671@midway.uchicago.edu>, tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu (Geoff Tuffli) writes:
> 
> 	THE TAEIS PROJECT:
> 
> The Taeis Project is an attempt to create a fictional world constructed in
> such a way that it is logically consistent in every possible facet from
> history, culture, social systems, anthropology, linguistics, economics,
> political systems, and so on.
> 
[Description, etc. deleted]

> 		Geoff Tuffli
> 		University of Chicago
> 
> 		tuff@ellis.uchicago.edu

NOFLAME  NOFLAME   NOFLAME   NOFLAME   NOFLAME   NOFLAME   NOFLAME   

Why would anyone want to create a "logically consistent" fictional 
world?  If the purpose of fiction (indeed, of all art) is to 
illuminate truths about the world in which we live, what is the 
purpose of fiction about such a world as the TAEIS project describes?
To explore alien culture?  If you have a world in which everything is 
logically consistent, then there is no mystery, there is nothing left 
to explore.  *Everything is knowable.*  

Nobody in such a world would do any of those logically inconsistent 
things we humans do like falling in love and then throwing it away, or 
ignoring the telephone bill, or religion, or getting up early in the 
morning to trade words with a bunch of netters, or reading science 
fiction, or ...  .

The only thing I would expect characters in such a world to do would 
be to commit mass suicide as soon as they found out what their world 
was like.  Makes for *one* very short book followed by a huge and 
eternal silence.

A little application of Occam's razor please.


-- 
--Electric Monk            (Bruce Gaede); 
                            e-mail: bjgaed@ccmail.monsanto.com

"...and then time started seriously to pass."
--Douglas Adams, _Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency_
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,sci.lang,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.misc
From: strange@acpub.duke.edu (Michael B. Scher)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: E-mail @ Santa-Cruz?
Keywords: Faculty/Office UCSC Anthropology/Hist. Consc.
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:09:25 GMT


     Howdy, folks.  Does anyone know if/have access to the e-mail for
faculty at the California Santa Cruz dept. of Anthropology or History of
Consciousness program?  I wish to contact a specific professor (of past
personal contact).  A general address or format for addresses (e.g.
lastname@. . .) if such exists would be great.  Any info would help.

     Thanks,
            Mike

-- 
Mike Scher                      strange@hercules.acpub.duke.edu
Duke University -- Durham, NC:  Law and Cultural Anthropology 
This post expressly not for use as toilet tissue.
(K) 1991 Net Prophet Productions - All lefts deserved.
From: monaghan@carson.u.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: Re: The Anthropology of Coca-Cola
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:18:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <FSMADJA.92Jul29123946@figment.shearson.com> fsmadja@alfred.shearson.com writes:
>
>
>>
>
>All of culture is acquired !! And  there are a few things that look like

Do you then dismiss Sociobiology?

>universals in culture, and it is not that ridiculous to think of Coca cola as
>one  of these.
>

Yeah, right.  And Mickey Mouse is one the great motifs found in comparative
mythology.


Tracy

+++++

"Since you cannot be my wife...
you shall be my tree."
    --  Apollo to Daphne
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: theresa@smg (Theresa Vaughan)
Subject: Re: Information Request
Keywords: religion, economy
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:33:37 GMT

In article <55024@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> shaman@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (David Melton) writes:
>	Here comes the plea for help.  What I would like is a rough list
>of cultures which have undergone changes in both economy and religion.  I 
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   How about this: probably all of them.

   I just took a grad level class entitled "political economy
and popular religion". We read a few studies which may be of
use to you. Lemme dig up the syllabus, and I'll post tomorrow.

                                          -Theresa

Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: dtodd@titan.ucc.umass.edu (David M. Todd)
Subject: Re: references needed on letter writing
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:23:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.214925.16549@news.media.mit.edu> asb@media.mit.edu (Amy Bruckman) writes:
>
>Does anyone know of any ethnographic, sociological, or 
>social historical references on letter writing?
>
A possibly relevant reference is G. Allport's _Letters from Jenny_.
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: vgibbs@nmsu.edu (Victor R Gibbs)
Subject: Re: The Anthropology of Coca-Cola
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:39:07 GMT

Well, it just goes to show you how far diffusion theorists will go to
sell a glass of the real thing....
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From: shaman@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (David Melton)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,sci.archaeology
Subject: Information Request
Summary: undergrad needs help
Keywords: religion, economy
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:49:20 GMT
Followup-To: sci.anthropology
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

Greetings!

	I am beginning an independent study project at Purdue entitled
"Religious Implications of Economic Change".  This is a one semester
undergrad project which will ultimately take the form of a lenthy paper.
The project will investigate how changes in economy from hunter-gatherer
to agricultural and herding have affected religious beliefs and practices.
I am planning to examine when economic changes took place in a number of
societies, and compare the dates to when religious changes took place.
I hope to find a pattern which relates the type of economy to a particular
type of religion.  I am also interested in the nature of the change; whether
it was gradual and harmonious, or sudden and violent.  I have several hypo-
theses, but I will refrain from discussing them here.

	Here comes the plea for help.  What I would like is a rough list
of cultures which have undergone changes in both economy and religion.  I 
understand the need for a cross-cultural approach, but I need to narrow the
field to a few relevant examples, or I'll go nuts.  If they exist, I'd also
appreciate some references which include dates and details for these cultures.
If anyone is interested, I'd be willing to share the finished paper or post
it to the net.

Thanks in advance,

David A. Melton
shaman@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: wismith@amelia.nas.nasa.gov (William R. Smith)
Subject: Re: Ethnographies of software developers 
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:01:25 GMT

Al Selvin writes:
	>
	>Can anyone point me to good references for anthropological,
	>cultural, ethnographic etc. studies of software developers
	>in their work context? I'm not looking for references
	>like _Peopleware_ or _The Mythical Man-Month_, but
	>rather for actual ethnographies of programming 
	>cultures.




This may fall into the same category as the works you mention, however it
has a different flavor.  It's Gerald Weinberg's "Psychology of Computer
Programming".  Weinberg is (was) a computer person and specialist in
systems analysis in the broad sense.  Its an excellent work.  I haven't
read it in many years and it may be dated, but I doubt it.


William Smith
Intel, SSD

Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: The Anthropology of Coca-Cola
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:46:49 GMT

In article <FSMADJA.92Jul29123946@figment.shearson.com> fsmadja@alfred.shearson.com writes:
>
>
>>BINGO!!! YOU WIN!!!! You have stumbled on the point of my original post.
>>Coca-cola, in this absurd ad campaign, has tried to portray love of 
>>carbonated water, sugar, and carmel color as a universal, a trait that
>>links all humans cross-culturally. When, of course, it is an acquired taste,
>>and one that is nutritionally 100% worthless. But of course, coke will keep
>>
>
>All of culture is acquired !!

How true.

>And  there are a few things that look like
>universals in culture, and it is not that ridiculous to think of Coca cola as
>one  of these.
>

HUH? You lost me? Why is a drink that was not invented until thousands of
years of human culture had past, and is not really thirst quenching in the
long run (all that sugar, you know, makes your throat drier in the long run)
a human universal??!!

I always thought there were three universals: food, sex, and the sucking 
instinct in babies.....

-r


Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Nancy Lebovitz)
Subject: Re: Epistomology (What's good to read)
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:05:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.125654.10606@rchland.ibm.com> bechdol@vnet.ibm.com writes:
>
>Greetings !
>
>What should every good episomologist read?  What would you consider a good
>introduction to epistomology?  What are the names of people I should be sure to
>read?  In other words, what are the 'founding' works?
>
>A pointer to a classical thread would be appreciated.

This isn't as classic as you're asking for, but I'd strongly recommend
_Women's Ways of Knowing_ (sorry, I don't have the author's name, but it's
reasonably recent and shouldn't be hard to find in a library)--it's based
on detailed epistomological interviews with 135 women, and gives descriptions
of some of the ways that people actually approach knowledge. 

                                 Hope this helps,
                                 Nancy Lebovitz
                                 calligraphic button catalogue availible
                                       by email  (170K)
                                 nancy@genie.slhs.udel.edu

There are no answers, only cross-references


Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: bechdol@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Jeff Bechdol)
Subject: Epistomology (What's good to read)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:56:54 GMT
Reply-To: bechdol@vnet.ibm.com
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: IBM Rochester


Greetings !

What should every good episomologist read?  What would you consider a good
introduction to epistomology?  What are the names of people I should be sure to
read?  In other words, what are the 'founding' works?

A pointer to a classical thread would be appreciated.

Thanks very much!!

-- 
                                                                     Cheers,

                                                          Jeffery A. Bechdol
"Seek first to understand, then to be understood."  IBM/ABS System Design II
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Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
From: glenda@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Glenda Robinson)
Subject: Re: The Anthropology of Coca-Cola
Organization: University of Western Sydney
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:12:35 GMT

haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) writes:


>In article <1992Jul27.142228.19058@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:

>Gee, a friend of mine who spent some time in Japan said that the Japanese
>don't like American soft drinks - "they taste like medicine".  The natives
>drink Calpis, which is fermented milk with lots of sugar.


      (Cow Piss) is what it really tastes like. I was on a tour there in
1980, and one of our fellow travellers won a bottle on the Pachenko machines.
About 15 to 20 people tasted it, from all age groups (13 to 70) and NOT ONE
of us liked it.
Must be an aquired taste.

With apoligies to any Japanese reading this.

Glenda

--
Glenda Robinson                               University of Western Sydney
                                              Kingswood
glenda@uws.EDU.AU                             NSW Australia
From: asb@media.mit.edu (Amy Bruckman)
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology
Subject: references needed on letter writing
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:49:25 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory


Does anyone know of any ethnographic, sociological, or 
social historical references on letter writing?

I've been in the library all day, and have turned up 
critical works on epistolary fiction, letter-writing guides
from assorted centuries, and biographical writings based on
letters, but no reflections on letter writing as a form.
I'd like to know more about how letters are used cross
culturally and over time.

All pointers are appreciated!

Thanks!

-- Amy Bruckman
	MIT Media Lab
	asb@media-lab.media.mit.edu
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