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From: autry@sgi.com (Larry Autry)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Eaasy-sabre access??
Date: 8 Apr 92 07:41:45 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Silicon Graphics, St. Louis, MO

In article <73100@netnews.upenn.edu> lobaugh@a.chem.upenn.edu (John Lobaugh) writes:
>Is it possible to Eaasy-Sabre access from internet?
>
Eaasy Sabre is part of Compuserve's new basic service.  

If you happen to have a subscription to Compuserve and internet access, you
can access Compuserve via hermes.merit.edu.  Note that this access is $20+
per hour during the day and after 5pm(?), it's $2 per hour.  This access is
known as telenet (not to be confused with telnet) and is billed to your
user id.  It's a convenience though, if your at work/school late without
modem access.
I like Compuserve's new billing.  You get a core of basic services for
$7.95 and you pay by usage for everything else.  I still don't care for
paying $22 for 9600 baud.
--
Larry Autry
Silicon Graphics, St. Louis
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From: rk@athena.mit.edu (Richard Kovalcik)
Subject: Re: Austin --> Indys 
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 11:36:26 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.164504.1543@en.ecn.purdue.edu> yeung@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Augustus W Yeung) writes:
>Anyone knows if there is a direct non-stop service from Austin to
>Indy, Indiana? How much is it? Anyone knows howmuch is a round
>trip ticket?
>
>thanks
>gus
>
>

I bet you called a travel agent for the answer by now ..
But anyway, strangely enough, the answer is YES.
TWA has a direct flight # 414 leaves Austin at 1 PM arrives Indy at 6 PM
and makes two stops in between.  

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From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)
Subject: Re: Long Flights.
Summary: Guinness answer.  Also shortest flights.
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 06:56:35 GMT

> > > What is the longest (timewise/distance)
> > Probably LAX - SYD nonstop on QANTAS or United Airlines.
> UAL schedule book (Jan 92) sez:
> LAX-SYD		7487 mi		14:35 gate to gate

According to the 1992 Guinness Book, this guess is in fact correct.
(They give the time as 14:50 for both airlines.)  The plane is a
Boeing 747SP, the longer-range version of the 747.

They also quote the longest *delivery* flight by a commercial airliner--
a whopping 11,250 miles from London to Sydney by a 747-400 (not a 747SP),
in 20:09 on August 16-17, 1989.

The shortest scheduled flight is in the Orkney Islands: 2 minutes.
The shortest scheduled jet flight is San Francisco to/from Oakland:
"the time averages 5 minutes for the 12-mile journey" (I assume
that is *not* gate to gate).
-- 
Mark Brader		    this                                take
SoftQuad Inc.		"If      is          shall       really      to
Toronto			            flying I       never                it."
utzoo!sq!msb
msb@sq.com			-- Piglet ("Winnie-the-Pooh", A. A. Milne)

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From: arild@milan.philosophie.uni-stuttgart.de (Arild Hestvik)
Subject: Airfares Europe->US->Europe
Reply-To: arild@adler.philosophie.uni-stuttgart.de
Organization: IMS, University of Stuttgart, Germany
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:36:38 GMT

I'd like to go from Frankfurt to the US east coast in July, and/or Florida.
Anyone knows any good deals?

By the way: Airfares FROM europe to the US and back is MUCH MORE expensive
than from US to europe and back--Even with the same airline. For example,
recently Lufthansa was advertising "super cheap" roundfares for around 1100
DM (=around 700 US dollars) frankfurt-NY. In the same period, a colleague
traveled Lufthansa from Pihiladelphia-Stuttgart and back for $383.60. 

So we Europeans are getting ripped off with a 100% price increase! What the
heck is going on here!?

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From: rk@athena.mit.edu (Richard Kovalcik)
Subject: Re: FAQ list
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:56:59 GMT


Another good topic would be "why not to post what flights are there
between X & Y, are there any non-stop flights between X & Y, and 
what's the cheapest air fare between two US cities!"

Any travel agent can tell anyone what the cheapest air fare betwen two
US cities is.  (Assuming they take the trouble to look.)  Getting that
information correctly from the Net is risky at best.  The way air fare
wars are going these days the fare has probably changed twice already:
once between when you posted and they answered and again after they
answered but before you read it!
From: dbr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Daniel Rosler)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH AMERICAN "EXPRESS" (Re: AMEX coupons???)
Date: 10 Apr 1992 04:27:00 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr10.002614.22295@cs.yale.edu> 
horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne) writes:
>In article <s0mirINNr51@agate.berkeley.edu>, 
dbr@ocf.berkeley.edu (Daniel Rosler) writes:
 
>What's interesting is that they kept *re-issuing* the vouchers long after
>I had no use for them (I can't afford to fly much).  Once they even sent them
>in express (next morning) mail.  Unfortunately, no express-mail service can
>get something to arrive months before it was sent.

Now they won't even Fed-Ex them.  They said it's all automated and since it's
done by a third party, they can't intercept them to fed-ex them -- or insert
*won't* here.

Not for the job opportunity you missed, but they would have had to pay
you for the difference of $189 and the fare you paid.  Their failure to
send to the correct address is negligence on their part, especially when
you had notified them again about the correct address.

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From: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca (Ajai Banarji)
Subject: Experience with Amex
Originator: banarji@unixg.ubc.ca
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 04:00:49 GMT

		Experience with Amex coupons on Northwest

  Back in 1990 Amex was offering two RTs for $118 anywhere within the
48 states. This was given to all students who signed up for an Amex
card in late 1989/early 1990. At that time this deal was with Northwest.
  I flew from SFO to Boston and back. This included changes of plane
at Minneapolis (eastbound) and Detroit (westbound). I was never asked
for an ID at any time, not even at the time of purchase. Things seem
to have changed now.
  One other sidelight: if you want to use the ticket of someone of the
opposite sex, it helps if you and your friend have non Anglo-Saxon names.      An average ticket agent wouldn't know if a name like (say) Ajai or
Anandalakshmi was a male or female name. The only problem which could
arise is that (say) a male Indian travelling on his Indian girlfriend's
ticket might happen to run into an Indian ticket agent.
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Caribbean Islands Airport Codes
Date: 12 Apr 92 10:08:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr12.100807.28216
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University

In article <1992Apr12.043013.3812@odin.corp.sgi.com>, autry@sgi.com (Larry Autry) writes:
[I, Scott Horne, write:]
<
<><	char prio;          /* WMO Priority of station */
<><	char wmo[6];        /* WMO Station Id if any */
<>
<>What is this?
<
<Apparently the c program data description of each element.

I know *that*.  What I mean is:  What are "WMO Priority of station" and
"WMO Station Id if any"?

<        Carribean Island Airport Codes

While we're making corrections, I may as well point out that the word is
spelt `Caribbean'.  :-)

<Grenada, W.I.                              GND
          ^^^^

For `Windward Islands', I hope, not `West Indies'.  :-)  I'll probably
abbreviate it `GRN' in the "state" field.

<Fort De France, Martinique                 FDF
<Port au Prince, Haiti                      PAP

Technically, the correct spellings of these are, respectively,
`Fort-de-France' and `Port-au-Prince'.

					--Scott

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From: mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU (Mitja Baumhackl)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Selling tickets, trading, etc.
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:52:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.sksveINN8dt
Organization: University of California at Berkeley, Berkeley, CA, USA
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Originator: mitja@hera.Berkeley.EDU

Although I'm not a lawyer, it would seem to me that talking about
bartering, trading, and selling airline tickets is no problem.
First, as far as I know, it's not against the law to do such a
thing (unless it's for terrorist stuff or something) although it's
against AIRLINE policies.

If you were caught with a ticket in hand, seems to me that the worst
penalty would be getting the ticket taken away.

As for actually doing the ticket exchanging, everything is between
you and the person who you contact via email.

After all, I can say that I'm thinking about driving 150 mph down
a city street, but I haven't committed any crime.  However, if I
say that I'm driving 150 mph into the White House, that is another
matter entirely.  :-)

mitja@hera.berkeley.edu
not endorsed by UC Berkeley
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From: daniels@apollo.hp.com (Stewart Daniels)
Subject: Re: Welcome/etc.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Cooperative Object Computing Division -
	Chelmsford, MA
	<167C11199A.CHEGERH@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>
	<rrcldINN8gm@agate.berkeley.edu> <29E1DBA1.11484@ics.uci.edu>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:25:18 GMT


>   >LAX-SYD		7487 mi		14:35 gate to gate
>   >SYD-LAX				13:25
>   >
>   I don't know if they've changed it, but I took this flight about 4 years
>   ago (just after UA bought the routes from PanAM).  Anyway, the flight
>   had stops in both Honolulu and Auckland.

United offers both a LAX-SYD-MEL service (no other stops), and a
LAX-AKL-MEL service.  The longer range of the 747-400 allows the
LAX-SYD route to be flown non-stop (I flew this route every three
weeks for several months while I was in the process of moving over
to Boston from Melbourne...got lots of Mileage Plus miles and Premier
Executive status out of it).

Stew.


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From: davida@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (David Andersen)
Subject: Re: Short flights (was: Long Flights.)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Reply-To: davida@ics.uci.edu (David Andersen)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 15 Apr 92 05:56:28 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <sgehjINNljm@agate.berkeley.edu> jwlin@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jonathan W. Lin) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.163506.9403@cns.umist.ac.uk> hs@cns.umist.ac.uk (Harold Somers) writes:
>>What about short flights. Is the San Francisco - Oakland run still going?
>
>I don't think so.  I saw this flight in the Oakland Airport Flight Selector
>and was very curious about it (This was Nov. 1991) since I was wondering if I
>could get the minimum 500 frequent flier miles on United by just crossing
>over the bay. So, I called up United to ask about the flight and gave the
>employee the flight number listed. Basically, the empolyee thought i was
>crazy. "It's only ten miles or so, Sir..." So, I never figured out if the
>listing was an error or not.
>
>Now, though, the flight does not seem to exist as it is not listed in the
>more recent flight selectors. Oh well...
>
>Any other neat short flights out there just in case I need a way to get some
>frequent flier miles and don't want to leave the area?
>
>-----
>Jon Lin
>jwlin@ocf.berkeley.edu

Actually, I bet the flight still exists.  Example:

I always book the trip my parents fly to Hawaii.  An annual trip....

Anyway, I call American and they give some great quote out of LAX.  After
getting that all settled, I then point out that my parents do not like
the 1.25 hour commute (with traffic) up to LAX, and ask (very stupidly)
"Gee, how much more would it be to get a connection out of Orange County
 (SNA) ?"  She cheerfully looks it up in the computer and gives me the
song-and-dance routine of "Oh.  It looks like they're the same price!"
Then I get her to add it on for the return leg.  I have done this for
3 trips now.  (Once in a while they route through SFO).

Believe me, these little trips still exist.  The flight time from SNA
to LAX is ~25 minutes, most of which is spent in holding patterns.
SNA is a much much more pleasant airport to deal with......and it's right
by my school (UC Irvine)......

David


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From: costin@cogsci.ucsd.EDU (Dan Costin)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Short flights (was: Long Flights.)
Date: 15 Apr 92 06:27:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Cognitive Science, UCSD

I recently flew from San Diego to LAX -- not very short distance-wise,
but TWA flies an L1011 on that route on some flights (it comes from
somewhere else).  Total time in the air: 18 minutes!  Now that's faster
than driving!!!

Of course, once I got to LA in the L1011, we switched to a 727 for the
flight to St. Louis.  The flight number didn't even change.

-dan

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From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Subject: Re: Northwest mileage bonuses
Organization: The Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:45:43 GMT

 William> == William C. Regli <regli@cs.umd.edu> 

 ]In article <1992Apr13.115859.2634@tom.rz.uni-passau.de>
steinke@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Gerhard Steinke) writes:
 ]Occasionally Northwest gives double/triple or bonus miles for flying
 ]a particular route or via a particular city.
 ]Does anyone know of such bonuses for flying from or to the cities
 ]of Detroit and Seattle?
 ]

 William> I don't think they would EVER have such a promotion, seeing as
 William> that Seattle and Detroit are two of their hubs.

Funny you should say that ... my fiance and I are flying to Seattle in
May, and Northwest is offering double miles ... I think it's through the
middle of June, but don't quote me on it.

As for Detroit, I've never heard of that... Seattle's somewhat "safer"
since it's an international hub ... NW seems to occupy 5/6 of DTW
airport!

--Helen
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From: loosemore-sandra@CS.YALE.EDU (Sandra Loosemore)
Subject: Re: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
Organization: Yale Haskell project
	<1992Apr16.104346.20711@cbnews.cb.att.com>
	<1992Apr16.145354.5496@unx.sas.com>
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 13:07:06 GMT

sasjw3@lemngrs.unx.sas.com (Jade Walker) writes:

   Now, if you're talking about a 3-to-4 year old
   child who screams full-blast because the seat belt "hurts" or about
   a parent changing a baby in the seat next to you during dinner,
   that's another matter...

Along the same lines, I *hate* parents who won't lift a finger to
discipline their fidgety children.  More than once I've been on a
flight where I've been seated in front of a child who spends the
entire time kicking the back of my seat, or behind a child who keeps
jumping up on top of the seat and throwing things over the back onto
my lap, etc., where the parents totally ignore requests (from me, or
from other passengers, or from a flight attendant) to restrain the
child.  Arggh.  Sometimes the flight attendants can shuffle seats to
isolate you from the problem child, but don't count on it.

-Sandra

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From: dlb@mitre.org (David L. Baldauf)
Subject: Re: Braniff experiences?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:59:59 GMT

In article <ku46kdINNdvb@news.bbn.com> rnewman@bbn.com (Ron Newman) writes:
> Has anyone flown the latest version of Braniff Airlines?
> Any good or bad experiences to report?

Yes, I had the opportunity to fly them 3 weeks ago from Boston to Newark 
and (almost) back.  It took me half an hour to reach a human after finally 
getting through on their 800 number.  I couldn't get the $58 roundtrip, 
but got an $80 fare.  You couldn't find them at Logan - there was only one 
small sign inside the terminal (they're by America West at Terminal B).  
It was a 7AM flight; there was a handwritten note by check-in that the 
Braniff counter opened at 9AM (America West handled check-in).  The 
tickets were filled out by hand.  The flight left 1 hour and 40 minutes 
late.  (The pilot said someone forgot to refuel them.)  The plane was an 
old, rattily 727 that was painted Braniff blue, but had a Pan Am seatbelt 
buckle.

On the return, I went to check in for a 9:50 PM return, and there was a 
midnight departure time posted at the gate due to some delay of the 
inbound equipment.  At that point I left and ran over to Continental to 
fly on a real(?) airline.  No, Continental would not honor the Braniff 
ticket, and no, Braniff would not sign it over to Continental.  I was 
dying to know whether that Braniff flight ever left, but after I got home 
and called, I fell asleep while waiting for a human to talk to me.

Other than that, it was a postive experience.

Dave Baldauf
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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: here's a stab at a FAQ post (common complaints)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 01:32:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.173344.2460@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers) writes:

>>4.) Person knowingly sits in a seat not theirs in hopes that you'll swap.
>>    ( ... and it wasn't open seating, honest.)
>
>Thats why I love being a NW Preferred member...I get to board first (and
>I have heard people mumble about why I, a healthy male, boards with the
>parents with child and those needing extra assistance).  I do use that
>privilege because I dont want to be in that swap situation.

I once got to Detroit on my way to SFO and they thought they had overbooked.
So I put myself on the bump list and was told to wait.  Then at the last
minute they told me to get on so on I went.  When I got to my seat (a window
seat) it was full and the seat next to it was empty.  The woman in my seat
said "Oh, but they said it was open seating..." which was true.  However
I glared at her and told her in no uncertain terms that I had arranged for
that particular seat one month previously and damned if I was going to sit
in the middle seat for the 4+ hours to SFO.  She moved.  Boy did she move.

RNA
From: wchau@acsu.buffalo.edu (Wun-Chun Chau)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: AMEX coupons - how transferrable are they?
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:57:44 GMT
Organization: UB
Originator: wchau@autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu


In article <1992Apr7.162612.11388@stat.wisc.edu>, newton@atlas.stat.wisc.edu (Michael Newton) writes:
>In article <1992Apr7.133902.27985@unx.sas.com> sashyh@barfly.unx.sas.com (Heidi Harring) writes:
>>How does one get ahold of said coupons?  Apply for an AMEX card & get them as
>>comp tickets?  or buy them from AMEX?
>
>You must be a student (not sure about age restrictions) and you have to sell
>your soul, I mean, name, to the American Express people's junk mailing list
>in order to get them.  You apply for the standard green card, and if you
>are approved, owe them $55 almost instantly, and receive four coupons and your
>American Express card in
>the mail, two for $129 and two for $189.  Then there are specifications  
>as to what cities you can fly to.  I haven't cashed any of mine in yet.
>And they expire in March of 1993.  And you must pay for your tickets with
>your American Express card.         
>
>Marianna Wright-Newton

Can somesone tell me if it is possible to renew the coupons? Mine is going to 
expire in Jan 1993 but I plan to use them in Xmas, the problem is they only allow 
me to stay 6 days or so, but I want to stay longer than that, is there any possible way to do that? Thanx in advance.

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From: ugabarra@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu (Il Viaggiatore)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: San Diego <-> Sicily (price)
Summary: need ticket price for round trip from san diego to sicily
Keywords: price international sicily san diego
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:30:57 GMT

i had posted this request a short while back, and some how it is now deleted
completely off of the group..  so here is a repost of my reqest:

i am planning to visit sicily to try and locate some of my relatives..  what
i would like to know is a ball park figure of about how much a round trip 
ticket to sicily (anywhere in sicily) will cost me, so that i can attempt 
to make that amount of money this summer..  also i was wondering whether
or not locating relatives would qualify as morale leave, which would allow
me to take a MAC Flight without a sponsor..  i would appreciate any and all
responses, either posted or e-mailed..

i thank you in advance for your cooperation..

cya l8r >8=;==;==---'

	Il Viaggiatore
From: AXLEROD@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Harvey Axlerod)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Airline food
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:27:27 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo

>i've heard similar claims from a friend who orders kosher food
>whenever he's flying east to west.   although he's jewish, he's
>definitely not kosher.  nevertheless, he swears that the food is much
>better because it comes from kosher caterers in the nyc area
>(lou j. seigel, for example).
>
>i told him that this is not a good idea because it may deprive
>those that are truly kosher from obtaining in-flight meals.
>
  I disagree, for two reasons:
     1.  Requesting any special meal requires 24 hrs pre-notice. You can't
         waltz on the airline and expect them to have a full "menu". So you
         aren't depriving anyone.
     2. Not many Jews keep Kosher any more.  By ordering Kosher you are
        inflating the demand, and helping to assure the airlines stay
        interested.
 
     But you sentiments and concern are appreciated.  ;-)
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