From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: WANTED: Former LDS, now Born Again Christian for Thesis Project
Date: 1 Oct 92 02:54:11 GMT
Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <16674@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>In article <1992Sep23.210318.23380@infonode.ingr.com> tensmekl@infonode.ingr.com (Kermit Tensmeyer) writes:
>
>>	If you have a copy of the book, you might want to read the rest
>>	of the paragraph in context. McConkie was comment of a quote
>>	that "Joseph Smith has done more for the Salvaation of Mankind,
>>	than anyother save Jesus Christ."  His comment in _Mormon Doctrine_
>>	(also a misnomer) points out the mormon belief, that the
>>	Early Church underwent a generilized apostasy between the 
>>	death of the apostles and the reformation. In MHO, the comment
>>	and general belief is that the primary message of Smith has
>>	to do with the divine nature of Jesus Christ. If Smith was a
>>	prophet, then his message must be of the Father and His Son
>>	Jesus Christ. 
>
>This reminds me of an excellent example of the dishonesty in
>the tactics of some "Christians" with respect to Mormons.  The
>statement of McConkie's is a requotation of a statement of Brigham Young.
>In the anti-Mormon film "The Godmakers" they close with that
>quote, but they altered one word, making it say "Joseph Smith
>has done more for the salvation of mankind than any other, *including*
>Jesus Christ."  Obviously such an alteration serves to reinforce
>the notion that Mormons aren't Christian, since they hold Joseph
>Smith higher than Jesus.  But what kind of morality is it that
>lets someone alter a quote like that to serve their end?  Not
>-- 
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>Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "I have given you an argument; I am not obliged
>geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  to supply you with an understanding." -S.Johnson
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Actually Gordon, you and the original poster of those words above, are
misleading us all.  That poster told me to look at that page in the book
Mormon Doctrine, and see that it was out of context and that the person
who was quoting it left out the part about "save Jesus".  Well my friend,
I did look in my Mormon Doctrine, and to tell you the truth, that guy
was outright lying!  The quote from that book was on page 670 and is
under the heading "SALVATION".  Actually, Bruce McConkie is quoting
Joseph Fielding Smith from Doctrine of Salvation V2 p.1-350, and what is
is said is this:

     " If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration,
       there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside
       The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints".

I understand that the "save Jesus" stuff was said at one time.  But it
WAS NOT stated in the quote that was being used, and it doesn't change the
fact that this was said.  It is in context.  I challenge that guy to read
HIS book of Mormon Doctrine, and see that no where on that page is the
words, "save Jesus", and it isn't in the heading under Salvation.

I would like to point out the ploy here done by the LDS members to try
and say they have been misrepresented.  The quote I have typed in above
is there, in context, and there is nothing in there about Jesus.  The
quote he said we were misrepresenting, has been said, but elsewhere, and
that doesn't change the fact that THIS WAS SAID TOO.  Which is correct?
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