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From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: TFG-Novel #60 - Ice Trap
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 11:45:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Shacha all novel-fans!

So far, I read all of the TFG{*}-novels, though I don't own them all yet.
But this one IMHO was one of the very lame ones!

Not only the idea, not very original, but that's necessarily to come, if one
reads lots of stuff. But the main point in that novel seemed to be getting
into immediate danger, and then some chapters following to get ouf of that!
The Enterprise somewhere in orbit, providing not very much help and even less
of the remaining personnel, especially Spock and Scotty! Not even the landing
party was really thought through, as I had hoped for Uhura.
Okay, not every author can put my favourites in front, no problem with that.
But ...

... then the solution was =suddenly= there and there was - even worse - no
problem in convincing everybody, because all people who could possibly be
against it, were (friendly from those ... okay, won't tell too much) dead
by then. - Even if it were civilians, not bound to the PD, it were Terrans
who started lots of things there and should have learned long before that
not to ... do certain things (and not because of the Prime Directive)! And
following the solution, the problem had not need to occur in the first place!

Had it been a taped video, I would have used the "fast run" a lot, just
unnerving chasing most of the time.

Is #61 already available in US? Is it any better? I only can hope so, a
really good novel is overdue!

Oyori - Sem [sniffing in nightly cool, but dry Northern Germany]

{*} TFG = The First <grin> Generation

PS: Crossposted to the MAUSnet-Group Star.Trek (translated)
From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: in defense of Q-Pid : )
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:22:29 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

v130qh57@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (sandra guzdek) writes:

>..some people have been putting down q-pid as the worst episode...

>well, that one happens to be one of my faves, because it has great 
>scenes of picard AS A MAN and not as a Starfleet robot. 

Such as?  "The Inner Light" has good depictions of the man behind Picard.
"The Perfect Mate" does.  "Family" does.  "Conspiracy" does, here and there.
"Qpid"?

>and come on, it 
>has got to be one of the funniest ones ---> 

I'm sure the producers would agree.  I decidedly do not.

>worf alone has 3 killer lines, 

Depends on how one defines "killer".  If you mean ones that made me want to
kill the *writers*, then you're absolutely right.  :-)

>and the banter between vash and picard ("what kind of a plan is 
>that?"  "a very GOOD one, if you'd just HURRY!" or something similar) 
>makes me laugh every time i see it...

I found it forgettable, as evidenced by the fact that I don't even remember
that exchange existing.  :-)

>and besides,  Q is in it.

Nope.  The fact that I enjoyed all previous Q stories to one extent or another
doesn't mean all subsequent appearances are terrific.  If he'd been used well,
that'd be another story, of course...

Tim Lynch
From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Prime Directive
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 21:17:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Shacha Michael!

[mg] the Next Generation episode "Half a Life," Lwuxana Troi specifically
     states that "it's your Prime Directive, not mine."
Though I do not consider Lwaxana Troi as a reliable source, since I got the
strong impression, that especially =this= woman (only cute and funny in TV,
pure stress in real life, no grin) just bends law as she wants it to be. >8-)

[mg] So Starfleet enforces its prime directive in the way any para-military
     organization enforces its regulations.  The Federation doesn't.
Hm ... Somehow that doesn't make much sense to me, though I'm aware that
starfleet must not have the power over civilians as well. And what makes it
worse: Those people may not even be aware of what their ideas might do to
another culture, since technology (for once) is not bound to (para)military
organizations!
On the other hand: In "Arena" Kirk states, that out there, Starfleet resp.
it's vessels are also representing police forces to make sure whatever
Federation law states. But ... it is nowhere stated, that the PD is sort
of civil law as well, rather the opposite is true.
It still doesn't make much sense to me. Isn't there anyone out there on our
nice, blue Planet, who has a theory ready, that might at least add some new
ideas to my thinking?

So, after lots of thinking about this issue, I came to think, that Starfleet
should rephrase this General Order! (Especially after the nonsense I read
in the novel "Prime Directive".)

I'm interested so much, because sometimes I think, "we" should leave those
Third World people alone! (Okay! I know, difficult, if you see it. But what
are the results?) And that's close to it! What might have happened to some,
now long dead cultures on earth (like the Inka, the "Indians" (acutally the
Americans)), if they had had the benefit of the Prime Directive and not
being tought "the right way" (who-ever determines, what that might be)?
There is =no= being on earth but the so-advanced humans to do such a thing!
Other beings just go somewhere else and get, what they need to survive.
Just humans have to teach other humans (not considered human enough or so) ...

Oyori - Sem [again thinking in nightly cool, dry Northern Germany]
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: mcohen@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Who's got the best beam-out?
Organization: Clark University
Date: 29 AUG 92 23:50:53 GMT

In a previous article, jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) wrote:
>Hmmmm... Out of the Federation sparkle, Q flash, Ferengi swirl,
>(is it just me or does this sound like an order placed in
>10-Forward?), Borg tracer-fade, and anything else we've seen,
>what do people like the best?
> 
>Joshua (doing his part to waste bandwidth)
>+      "Each woman is a promise that she can't keep that appeals to           +
>|  a hope you can't control." - joe theseus, Deadface: Earth Water Air Fire   |
>|                                                                             |
>+ jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca   Academic Computing Services, University of Calgary +
> 
Of them all, I like the federation transporter in STII.  Why?  The Sound!  
Great transporter sound when blasting through a stereo TV.

On a similar topic, at a sci-fi convention in 1985 (?), I saw David Gerrold.  
This was the week they were announcing TNG to the public, long before 
casting, etc.  He was working pre-production with Roddenberry at the time.  
One aspect of TNG he spoke about was the transporters; apparently they planned 
to do effect shots of the transporter from the point of view of the person 
being transported.  That's one I'd still like to see!

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From: rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG actors on other series
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 19:24:46 GMT

wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes:

>Ye gods, the thread that just won't die...

   If someone would kindly resurrect the *alleged* periodic posting of
"Actor's Other Roles", update it, and start posting it again, then maybe,
just MAYBE, this thread would die out.  I've been around for better than
a year now, and I've NEVER seen that file posted.

RC Carman

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From: asmith@acorn.co.uk (Andy Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: one of the best episodes
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:50:44 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England

Having just sat at watched the last five episodes in season five, thus
finally catching up with the states, I must say that The inner light is my
current favourite, and I'm looking forward to seeing it in its proper form
(rather than PAL recorded from an NTSC source). Family comes in high up
as well (maybe I'm just sentimental), Then BOBW, the high ground
(banned over here) and various others I can't remember the names of. I
suppose I will just have to watch them again:-) Worfs quote makes QPid worth
watchng, 

Andy
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: dust@cs.UAlberta.CA (Dust Jason Norman)
Subject: STTNG GIFS
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:35:37 GMT

	Does anyone know where I can find the STTNG gifs that are listed
	in the README file at ftp site ftp vab02.larc.nasa.gov
	but are not found at the site.


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 if you can dance."           (____)          __|_|_|__           (____)
         - Q, Q Who.            \\_________.-'_.-----._`-._________//
 Jason Dust, U. of Alberta       \---------`.._`-----'_..'---------/
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: aweder@iiic.ethz.ch (Andreas Michael Weder)
Subject: ST Font for ST
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Distribution: local,ch,ger,uk,na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:28:18 GMT



Hi

sorry, this is probably a FAQ. Nevertheless, I am looking
for a STAR TREK FONT for the Atari ST (preferably GDOS
and/or Signum/Script 2).


Thanks
-- Andrew
   aweder@inf.ethz.ch
From: Sem_Hoelscher@hb.maus.de (Sem Hoelscher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: selfresponsible machines
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:00:00 GMT
Organization: MausNet
X-Gateway: MausGate/News 1.11

Shacha Carl!

[cfg] This episode especially from a Comp. Sci. point of view really makes you
      think about these machines that we work on and create, and what if some
      day we create a Data?  What are the implications of creating a machine
      that can think and be responsible for itself?
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If it can, we should let it. But I don't believe, many people would do that.
There is another story, dealing with that, written by Isaac Asimov. I only
know the German title "Der Zweihundertjaehrige" ("The 200 Year Old"). It's
about a robot, bought to babysit, who turns out to be creative and who has
to fight 200 years to be accepted as a living being, finally also permitted
to die. I found it very interesting - and I felt with the "robot".

Oyori - Sem [from finally rainy Northern Germany]
From: bandy@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (Mike Bandy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Which one is "Cost of Living"?
Date: 28 Aug 92 01:56:23 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University

It seems that everyone agrees that the Cost of Living episode sucked.  Can
someone refresh our memories and briefly describe the plot for that episode?

Thanks.

	Mike Bandy
	Johns Hopkins University / Applied Physics Lab
	bandy@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu
From: v076r95v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (The Nature Boy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Name this series.
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <gunnarh.15@dhhalden.no>, gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) writes...
> 
> 
>I know this is not a Star Trek type Question but anyway.
> 
>One of my youth's favourite series was a space thing sent on swedish TV
>approx -78/-79. I haven't got a clue as to how old it really is.
>It's about this spaceguy flying around on a planet modified to ressemble a
>spaceship. He has a _small_ robot (in his pocket?) that looks quite like a 
>toad. I allso remember a lot of hairy guys chasing our hero,and what 
>probably was the bad guy himself; a tall man dressed in black with a thing 
>on his helmet, placed over his eye, with this he could fire some sort of 
>laser gun. That's just about everything I remember, so if anyone has some 
>sort of info on name, cast, or anything at all, please post it and I will 
>be so happy.
> 
>		---Geronimo
> 
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>* Gunnar Horrigmo                     3"How long, Lord? Shall we be angry    *
>*                                     3 forever? Shall we jealously burn     *
>*                                     3 like fire? Shall we keep on fucking  *
>* gunnarh@sofus.dhhalden.no           3 and piss in eachother's face?"       *
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>Any opinions stated hereign are the ones of ODH......NOT!
>They are mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine,mine.
> 

	This show was called Jason of Space Command.
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From: aweder@iiic.ethz.ch (Andreas Michael Weder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Address of Starfleet Int.
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:43:41 GMT
Distribution: local,ger,uk,na
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH


Hi


Could someone please post me the address of Starfleet International?
Maybe they even have a european counterpart?

Are there any other interesting ST fanclubs you know about?
Do they publish newsletters?


Thanks
From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: timescales : tos & tn
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:37:48 EST
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

>   This is almost certainly a FAQ, but how many years after TOS (or
> the movies) is TNG set?.  It's got to be well over 22 years, as the
> Enterprise C featured in Yesterday's Enterprise, and there is
> still the Galaxy Class Enterprise B to take into consideration.
>   Either the 1701-B didn't last long, or it had to be a fair number
> of years between the two series.

I know this may be incorrect, but I think I read somewhere that the
three seasons of TOS was exactly 3 centuries in the future to "present"
time.  Since it as 1969 back when TOS ended, that would be 2269 when the
last TOS episode was based in.  I have no idea, however, when the start
of TNG is...


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Calling from Markham, Ontario CANADA.  It's not cold though!  :-)
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell)
Subject: Re: What would you do with the power of the Q ?
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 19:37:59 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

In article <RANNOU.92Aug22131105@zuse.info.polymtl.ca> Rannou@info.polymtl.ca (Patrick Rannou) writes:
>Well, here's a SEMI responsible answer:
>
>I'd create a parralel earth (or many parallel earths), and do whatever I
>want with these. Experience. But i'd let the real earth not even know of my
>existence (even going up to create a facsimile of me to replace myself...
>which doesn't know anything about Q powers of course...).
>
>Also, the "artificial" people, I realize, would really not be people at
>all. It would be much like a holodeck "a la Minuet".

Hate to bring this up here (but we're between seasons, hey! :)
but going back to the age old (okie, maybe 50 year old) Turing
debate on this, if something is simulated well enough, sure, its
still a simulation. But if you simulate a mind perfectly, down to
the quantum levels, isn't it just a legitimately a mind as any
other? Doesn't it deserve the same treatment the 'real' one that
you copied it from did?

>Mazybe i'd just do my experiences with the real earth anyway, and everytime
>I do a mistake I'd go back in time...
>
>Not responsible at all, mmm? I guess might makes right after all...

Joshua
   _  _      "Thats a good idea!"  "I have those every once in a while."
 -(_)(_)-      "Why do you listen to me when I'm wrong?!?"
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  -____-      jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca 
 /  \/  \     Academic Computing Services, University of Calgary 
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Guinan, Earth, and Garter Belts-Lynch
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:34:48 GMT

I just want to know what my name is doing in a subject line that also 
involves garter belts, that's all.  ;-)

Tim Lynch
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Jack Crusher
Keywords: monKEY, turKEY, donKEY, KEYboard
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:49:37 GMT

In article <Btt9tn.5rL@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070p6nd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos) writes:
>Hello Trekkies, Trekkers, and other forms of life,

That should cover most of the bases.

>	Question:
>
>		Is there a ST:TNG episode which explains how Jack Crusher
>		died?  If so, could someone direct me to it AND tell me how
>		he actually did die?  Some of my friends say he died in a
>		shuttle accident, others say he was killed while part of an
>		away team (and there is also a division on, if he was on an
>		away mission, was Picard there, or on the ship...I know he
>		was involved in the whole mess).


What?!  You expect the show's writers to follow through on a
long-standing thread and supply answers to 5 year old mysteries?  What
are you, _reasonable_ or something?  I think I'll just keel over the day
that we find out how Jack died or what Picard's part in it is.  Or the
day that anything about Guinan is revealed instead of merely _alluded_
to (TA II might take care of this).  Or the day that we ever find out
what (if anything) is going on between Beverly and Picard.  Or...
and the list goes on.  It seems like the writers would rather _tease_ us
to death without ever having to come up with interesting answers to
these questions.

At first the mysteries were fun, but if I hear Bev say to Picard
"Jean-Luc, there's something I've been meaning to tell you...oh, we've
been rescued!" one more time, I'll ...I'll...think of something derisive
to say about the writers!  Yeah, that's it.



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From: mcline@terapin.com (Matthew Cline)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Crystalline Entity Construction
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:51:18 PST
Organization: BBS

        I'm wondering how the design for the crystaline entity was created.  I
can think of one of two ways: 1) some type of CAD program was used to make it
look the scketches they had of it, or 2) someone made an algorithm that
generates snowflake-like shapes and its parameters where tweaked until it
looked good.  Does anyone know how it was actualy done?

Matthew Cline
mcline@terapin.com
From: teexijd@ioe.ac.uk (IAN DAVENPORT)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Short question about Lt.Saavik
Date: 3 Sep 92 23:18:09 GMT
Organization: Institute of Education, University of London

In <1992Sep3.124236.1086@jyu.fi> tm@jyu.fi (Timo Mannikko) writes:

>I have seen only two ST movies ( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( ), TWOK a few years
>ago, and TSFS just recently. My question is: Was the actress, who played
>Lt.Saavik, changed between these movies? Or, did she just change her
>hairdo? :-)

Yup. Kirstie Alley of Cheers, Runaway (in)fame in STII, and Robin Curtis of
no real fame at all in ST3.

>- Timo

Ian J Davenport   MULLARD SPACE SCIENCE LABORATORY   ijd@uk.ac.ucl.mssl

                 "Did she change her hair?" - McCoy
                 "I hadn't noticed." (-NOT!) - Kirk
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson)
Subject: Re: Patrick Stewart
Summary: Lust is not a minor role
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 01:47:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.040230.16784@adx.adelphi.edu> ricky@adx.adelphi.edu (Ricky Glass) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.202832.9190@fripp.ri.cadre.com> rss@gooey.eng-sun w
>>> I'm stretching it now.  I think Patrick Stewart has done stuff for PBS...  
>>Patrick Stewart had a modest role in I Claudius.
>I think it was more than a modest role.  He was in at least 3 of the 12
>installments.
>Ricky

Darned right it was more than a "modest" role:  he played Sejanus, the head
of the Praetorian Guard, he had a full head of hair, and he was one bad-ass
dude.  

He had a affair with a female character that would send smoke out of your
ears (at least it did mine).  In fact, my mother was visiting, and walked
into the room during one of his scenes with this woman and I blushed beet
red--not because of what was on the screen, but because of where I was in
terms of, ah, following the show.  

I was a grown up person with children of my own, so I decided that anyone
who could involve me in the "action" to that degree must be a good actor,
and I made a note of his name.  Check this out, Stewart fans!
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: lfinkelstein@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: *** SPOILERS *** TNG Season 6 and DSN
Organization: Clark University
Date: 3 SEP 92 17:03:10 GMT

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I believe that he said "I am not allowed to tell you that John DeLancie is 
filming this week, so I won't."

:-)

				Loren Finkelstein