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From: jat6h@Virginia.EDU ("Mars, The Bringer of War")
Subject: Favorite Shows
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:29:52 GMT

Hullo, all y'all out there.  This is particularly aimed for all
my scramble-band colleagues out there, but the rest of you feel
free to answer if you like.  I'd like to put in a request for
some of your best shows of all time- what they were and what
happened.  For example, the UVA show at the University of
Maryland in 1977:
UVa Pep Band takes the field, goes into a normal show.  Finale:
Announcer: The Pep Band would like to perform a special tribute
to our hosts here in Maryland by playing "Maryland, My
Maryland" And look! The Pep Band has a special guest conductor
today, that's right, former Maryland Governor Marvin Mandel...
(then appealing his conviction on fraud charges...guy comes out
dressed in horizontal stripes, handcuffs, ball & chain, etc.)
Band plays "Jailhouse Rock" instead.  The Maryland crowd gives
a standing ovation.  Afterwords, acting governor Blair Lee
called the show "in indescribably poor taste" and banned us
from performing at U of M for ten years.  I was a kid in
Maryland at the time and vaguely remember hearing about it...
How 'bout the rest of y'all's?

Justin Tate
TAWVaFCI/OP(?)MPB&CSR,U!!!
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From: twomblyk@next09cville.wam.umd.edu (Kristian Twombly)
Subject: Re: Favorite Shows
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:29:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.202952.14177@Virginia.EDU> jat6h@Virginia.EDU  
("Mars, The Bringer of War") writes:
> Hullo, all y'all out there.  This is particularly aimed for all
> my scramble-band colleagues out there, but the rest of you feel
> free to answer if you like.  I'd like to put in a request for
> some of your best shows of all time- what they were and what
> happened.  For example, the UVA show at the University of
> Maryland in 1977:
> UVa Pep Band takes the field, goes into a normal show.  Finale:
> Announcer: The Pep Band would like to perform a special tribute
> to our hosts here in Maryland by playing "Maryland, My
> Maryland" And look! The Pep Band has a special guest conductor
> today, that's right, former Maryland Governor Marvin Mandel...
> (then appealing his conviction on fraud charges...guy comes out
> dressed in horizontal stripes, handcuffs, ball & chain, etc.)
> Band plays "Jailhouse Rock" instead.  The Maryland crowd gives
> a standing ovation.  Afterwords, acting governor Blair Lee
> called the show "in indescribably poor taste" and banned us
> from performing at U of M for ten years.  I was a kid in
> Maryland at the time and vaguely remember hearing about it...
> How 'bout the rest of y'all's?
> 
> Justin Tate
> TAWVaFCI/OP(?)MPB&CSR,U!!!

Ok
We've had this before...
We here at MD are under the impression that your drumline urinated on the  
field during that show...
Perhaps it was a combination of things, but all I know is that we hate the  
WAH-HOOS!
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From: elmanad@amy14.stanford.edu (Adam Elman)
Subject: Re: Star Spangled Banner
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 02:08:44 GMT

Gennis Emerson (gemerson@strawberry.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Jan19.214158.13305@leland.Stanford.EDU> schmasey@leland.Stanford.EDU (Casey Carlton O'Hara) writes:

: >At Big Game at Stanford in '91, the Cal fans sang over the whole song.
: >I don't know anyone who did not think that it was really disrespectful
: >and rude.  

: Maybe I'm just confused here, but I thought the Star Spangled Banner was
: more a tradition than a concert piece. I always thought it was nice when
: the crowd cared enough to sing along. The Cal Aggie Marching Band-uh always
: sang along when another band was playing SSB before a game. I'd vote for
: bands showcasing their musical talent in the rest of the show, and letting
: everyone sing along with the national anthem. Of course, if the crowd
: doesn't know enough to follow the director, that's another matter...:-)

We usually sing along when another band plays it too.
However, Stanford's football arrangement (as opposed to our basketball
arrangement, which is fairly standard) is pretty quiet due to the solo
trumpet.  The Cal fans in question were singing loudly to drown out
the solo trumpet, and perhaps even a different tempo (this is
conjecture, since I wasn't there).  That's not respectful -- that's
annoying.

The thing with Stanford is that the SSB, as the only thing we really
take at all seriously, is the only thing that we really _can_ use to
showcase musical talent.  Plus, it's a really stirring arrangement
anyway.  So people singing over it (not along with it, but in order to
drown it out) really are annoying.

Adam Elman
aelman@cs.stanford.edu
From: harold@celia.UUCP (Harold Buchman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Band/Corps Related Visual Art
Date: 21 Jan 93 01:38:53 GMT
Reply-To: lampy!harold@usc.edu (Harold Buchman)
Distribution: world
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

As an artist who has filled many sketchbook pages with
band/corps/colorguard drawings, I believe that the pictures
Gary wants do not as of yet exist.

I have really been on the lookout for music/pageantry related art.
Most the good stuff I've scene is photography, in particular
the DCI Wold Championship Program.  However, I was not impressed 
with the illustration that DCI commisioned for their twentienth anniversary.
I've also picked up some good program books at British regimental
band shows.
I found one rather nice painting of a college basketball band
from a late `70s Sports Illustrated reprinted in an illustration annual.

I happen to like nostalgic Rockwell-esq illustrations of 1930-50
high school bands.  Some of the best are just tiny little clip
art things of instruments, uniforms, majorettes, lyres, ect.
All of these recognizable icons form most peoples' idea of what a
"band" looks like. They haven't a clue about modern corps-style visuals.

One problem is that many people <and artists I've talked to> are put off by
the militaristic aspect of marching music.  Take my dad's impression 
of drum corps is a combination of the "Nuremburg Rallies 
and the Miss America Pageant."

I have some ideas for music related art I'd like to do, and I'd
like to hear what people would like to see


Harold Buchman
harold@rhythm.com

Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
From: stanford@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Stanford)
Subject: UK Bands (was Re: declining band sizes)
Organization: none whatsoever
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 09:39:22 GMT

In article <...> cstaddb@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr A I Snowden) writes:

[many insights into the declining band problem]

>Here in the UK it's getting worse. Whilest
>in the States it's an option at high school where many of the less sporty
>students go. In the UK , as a leisure activity its hard go get new members.

This is the first post I've seen from outside the US.  What are bands
over there (UK, and heck, anywhere else in Europe) like?  I would
assume they're mainly of the traditional (i.e. marching) variety as
opposed to scatter bands, but do they play at sporting events (and
which ones?), or competitions (like drum corps), and what sort of
instrumentation do they tend to have?

Scott Stanford
-- 
Scott Stanford                 |)  It's log, it's log.
stanford@leland.stanford.edu  /|   It's big, it's heavy, it's wood.
                             ((|,) It's log, it's log.
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From: jat6h@Virginia.EDU ("Mars, The Bringer of War")
Subject: Re: Favorite Shows
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:31:26 GMT

Now, now.  Honest and truly, we (to my knowledge) never
urinated on anybody's field.  Sorry about the insulting show,
but hey, the home crowd at Maryland gave it a standing
ovation.  I suppose I should stop before I dig myself too
deep, seeing as how half the graduating class of my high school
went to U of M...
Justin "Born & Raised North o' the Potomac, but Wahoo by the
Grace of God" Tate
TAWVaFCI/OP(?)MPB&CSR,U!!!
From: csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu (craig edward smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Star Spangled Banner
Date: 22 Jan 1993 21:01:39 -0500
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
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In article <1993Jan22.194023.26099@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Gennis Emerson" <gemerson@strawberry.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>In article <1993Jan19.214158.13305@leland.Stanford.EDU> schmasey@leland.Stanford.EDU (Casey Carlton O'Hara) writes:
>
>>At Big Game at Stanford in '91, the Cal fans sang over the whole song.
>>I don't know anyone who did not think that it was really disrespectful
>>and rude.  
>
>Maybe I'm just confused here, but I thought the Star Spangled Banner was
>more a tradition than a concert piece. I always thought it was nice when
>the crowd cared enough to sing along. The Cal Aggie Marching Band-uh always
>sang along when another band was playing SSB before a game. I'd vote for
>bands showcasing their musical talent in the rest of the show, and letting
>everyone sing along with the national anthem. Of course, if the crowd
>doesn't know enough to follow the director, that's another matter...:-)

At Ohio State, the crowd ALWAYS sings the SSB. That's another thing I think
pro football and TV have ruined--when they always have soloists who sing it.
How many times have they messed up, forgotten the words or done other rather
vulgar things (ala Roseanne Arnold)?

By singing together you LEARN the words.

(BTW, isn't it odd that so many of the Hollywood elite singers who sing
the SSB don't know the words? Could it be that being a liberal includes
being loathe turn learn patriotic songs?  Nah!)
-----
"The main flaw of Creation Theory is that it depends too much on conjecture
and miracles, and the main flaw of Evolution Theory is that it depends too
much on conjecture and miracles."
Craig Edward Smith (csmith@cis.ohio-state.edu)
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From: pering@pajaro.berkeley.edu (Trevor Pering)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: student/faculty conductors
Date: 27 Jan 1993 23:04:46 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL
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In article <1993Jan27.085057.14438@leland.Stanford.EDU> stanford@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Stan4d) writes:
>
>Time to get people's opinions on student "vs" faculty conductors.  I
>put "vs" in quotes cuz I'm not trying to pit one against the other,
>but get people's opinions on how each does its job and works with the
>other.
>

Hmmm... here at Cal we have a rather large structure to run things...
First off, there is separate drum major and director.  From the
directing standpoint, there is the "Director" and the "Student Director"
(Which will be referred to as Bob and StuD, respectively)

Bob is our only faculty member, he conducts us when we march on the field
and at various other university type events.  He is a voting member (one
out of 5) of our executive committee.   Then there is the StuD, which
is an elected position... whose term starts the December of the previous year.
(Elected in December 1992 for the 1993 Football season)  He is another one of 
the voting members of Ex-comm.  He directs (almost) all the basketball 
games, in the stands at football games, and most other band performances. 
To help him, he has an appointed committee, consisting of roughly 4-6 other
people who direct the occasional game, help make policy, select the music,
etc....  it is basically the job of this "Musical Activities Committee" (MAC)
to make the band sound better.  MAC bitches and moans about warming up,
tuning, listening to the rest of the band, so on and so forth.  They train
the section leaders, organize road trips, and practice to become next years
StuD.  The StuD will direct the University Alma Mater and the SSB when 
they are directing the event at which it is played, while Bob will do it
during a football game.  Bob is really handy to have around 'cause he 
deals with the university, making long-time contacts within the administration.
He is around for more than the four (or six) years that students are around,
so he often says things like "We tried that 5 years ago and it was lame."

  Other than that, Bob has basically no >direct< control over what we do, 
so for all practical considerations, we are student run.  It gets more
complicated than this 'cuz the previous Stud still does things, making it
a year and a half job.  This division is roughly between men's and women's
athletics (this happens in the Spring).

	Trevor Pering
          MAC member...
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From: stanford@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Stan4d)
Subject: UCDavis Picnic Day (was Re: Bohemian Rhapsody)
Organization: none whatsoever
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 93 20:53:01 GMT

In article <TRACTORS TRACTORS TRACTORS> jakilpat@tostada.engr.ucdavis.edu (John Andrew Kilpatrick) writes:
>Well, U.C.D. doesn't have an arrangement of B.R. Also, you could have used the
>extra song at Picnic Day.  Maybe then you wouldn't have been beaten by us! :-)

Hey, we had about 30 more songs we could have pulled out sans problemo
(a few broken faces maybe...).  Unfortunately, the night before we had
a huge party at the Shak and killed off several Band members in the
process, so had a very small Band at Picnic Day, so people were
blowing their chops out, and making HUGE run-on sentences (oops
sorry).  We also had some weak-tit mellz who wanted to get to their
frat party (wee woo.  A keg.  Pinch me it can't be real.) and were
whining.  But indeed, the Aggie Band is quite impressive (you must
pull people out of the woodwork for it - quite a huge band), and has
always "won" in terms of staying longest.  But then again, it's your
day, your campus, you oughta!

Scott "planning to be a drunken mess all day this year" Stanford
-- 
Scott Stanford                 |)
stanford@leland.stanford.edu  /|   If the sky were green
                             ((|,) how would we know
"MORE Doctah Peppah!!"        ~|~  when to stop mowing?
From: gt1293c@prism.gatech.EDU (W. Scott Radeker, IV)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Script Drills
Date: 24 Jan 93 14:42:50 GMT
Organization: Hog's Breath is Better than No Breath at All.

The other high school in my home town (Fort Walton Beach Florida)
is Choctawhatchee HS and they often go to New Orleans Saints games.
They had the most impressive "script" drill I have ever seen.  (Of course
I have never seen OSU's script OHIO)

What they do is start in a block formation and one person leads the group
in spelling SAINTS from left to right.  It was a sweet drill, if I do
say so myself....


Scott

-- 
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216 Valley Green
Mauldin, SC  29662
Internet:    gt1293c@cad.gatech.edu
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From: mfreiman@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark R Freiman)
Subject: Re: Favorite Shows
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:21:39 GMT


How about at Ohio State, when Woody Hayes came out and Dotted the "i"??
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From: stanford@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Stan4d)
Subject: student/faculty conductors
Organization: none whatsoever
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 08:50:57 GMT

All right, things have gotten WAY too quiet on this group (I think
most of us are sulking due to the 'Censorship' thread).  Time to cheer
people up with the news that every athletic department in the country
just passed ordinances giving the ENTIRE 3rd quarter of football games
to the bands!  Isn't that great?  Think of all the things we can do
and then...

Well, no.  Anyway, on to a NEW SUBJECT!

Time to get people's opinions on student "vs" faculty conductors.  I
put "vs" in quotes cuz I'm not trying to pit one against the other,
but get people's opinions on how each does its job and works with the
other.

At Stanford, director/faculty advisor Arthur P. Barnes (hereafter
APB, as in "well, Art is late for his 2:00 appointment.  He's probably
driving drunk through the alto sexion again.  Better put out an APB)
arranges about half the tunes (students do the other half), directs
the Banner and alma mater at football games, and basically EVERYTHING
else musically is done by the drum major (or the manager during
winter, but that's just a LSJUMB peculiarity and not the discussion at
hand).  That is, the drum major decides what songs go into the
folders, what gets called at rehearsals, runs the rehearsals, and
calls and conducts songs at rallies/games.  It is a significant amount
of work for one person (especially at Stanford, where you're dealing
with 100 individuals, ANY ONE of which can destroy what you're doing
on a whim - luckily I didn't have TOO much trouble ;-).  Overall,
having one student in charge of almost all aspects of the music seems
to work here (barely :-), but seems to keep things on the ragged edge of
disaster (many drum majors get entirely burnt out and disappear from
Band altogether afterwords - it's a very physically and emotionally
draining job.  Luckily there's free booze and loose women.  Oh, there
isn't?  Damn.).

So what's it like elsewhere - who does what for your band musically?
Does it work well?  What could be improved?

Scott
-- 
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                             ((|,) how would we know
"MORE Doctah Peppah!!"        ~|~  when to stop mowing?
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From: jat6h@Virginia.EDU ("Mars, The Bringer of War")
Subject: Re: student/faculty conductors
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:15:28 GMT

Well, the situation here at Youveeay sound a little similar to
what you describe.  What he have is, to my knowledge (and
please correct me if I'm wrong) the only TOTALLY student run
band around, with no faculty or other non student (ok, we have
a few alums who play with us, but all the officers are
students...) people around.  The Konduktors direct all the
music and are nominally in charge of music, but we also have
our music chairs who are involved with procuring and arranging
music.  The Konduktors (we went to two a couple years ago to
try to help prevent the burnout you describe, Scott) are
appointed by the Direktor, who is elected by the members, i.e.
the dictatorship of the proletariat.  It seems to work ok,
especially with two (what y'all call drum majors) to split the
load, which tends to keep them sane most of the time.  They
also officiate at elections.  That's life in Dixie...

justin "altos run amok" tate
TAWVaFCI/OP(?)MPB&CSR,U!!!

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From: mkahn@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Michael Kahn)
Subject: Re: student/faculty conductors
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:41:05 GMT

As long as the conductor knows the score and doesn't make any major goofs, I
could care less who's on the podium. At Northwestern, the conducting duties are
more or less split between the drum majors and graduate assistants.

Where I really would rather have grads working is in the arranging. This year
one particularly talented NUMBalum put together a medley from Miss Saigon that
sounded better than the "professional" ones I've played in the past. The
crowds went nuts. Another grad, for our Halloween show, created a medley
consisting of Night on Bald Mountain, Hall of the Mountain King, and Toccata
and Fugue, without making it sound cheesy; an accomplishment if you ask me.
That was probably the best-remembered show of our season.

As for drill, as I understand it, the shows are charted jointly by the
director and the drum majors. Whoever did them this year deserves a round of
applause, in my (humble) opinion.

--Michael Kahn
mlk@nwu.edu
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Censorship
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:54:18 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <oldnbitter>, gjh2j@faraday.clas.virginia.edu (Jeff Hawkins) wrote:
 
|>We are being called eyesores by people's who's sole purpose it is is to dress
|>up like aristocratic asses and get drunk at every game, having no interest
|>in the football whatsoever.....
 
To which stanford@leland.stanford.edu (MORE Doctah Peppah!) replied:
 
|>Sounds like alumni sections are the same the world over.
 
Ah, Scott, I have news for you.  What Jeff described (along with the "Yacht
Club atmosphere") *IS* the UVA student section.  A woman I know who went to
UVA and is now at U of M described how the women would attend the game in
formal gowns and the men in tuxes.  She also said that they went to see and
be seen and to Hell with the game.  Sounds like the UVA Band is in trouble
and the student body wants them to dress in tuxes too and play The Eagles
"The Greeks don't want no Freaks" :-)!
 
Jeff, did I get it right?
 
Rich Lamb
 
P. S. How good is UVA Freshman composition program?
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:05:10 EST
From: Christopher Luckenbill <CXL119@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Censorship
 <1993Jan20.214823.22891@leland.Stanford.EDU>

In article <1993Jan20.214823.22891@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
elmanad@amy14.stanford.edu (Adam Elman) says:
>
>Mars, The Bringer of War (jat6h@Virginia.EDU) wrote:
>
>The Blockbuster Bowl people also censored us a bit -- they basically

     We in the Blue Band heard that your own athletic department wasn't
     letting you march.  We were so looking forward to playing an extra
     song but then we heard you were allowed to march again.

>munged our pregame show so that it was nowhere near as funny as the
>original concept.  Of course, the original concept _was_ fairly
>insulting to Blockbuster, but hey...

     But its their bowl and we were all invited guests.  I would guess
     that somewhere in the contract was a clause that stated that Block-
     buster would have the final approving authority on all shows.
>
>Adam Elman
>aelman@cs.stanford.edu
>
>
From: timc@diva.Berkeley.EDU (Tim Castro)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.marching.misc
Subject: Re: Censorship
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:37:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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Keywords: Cal Aggie Band-Uh



How about someone from the U.C. Davis Band recounting the
story of what happened to you guys last year.

I'm sure much of the readership is unaware of the atrocities 
committed in the name of PC against the Cal Aggie Band-Uh.

--Tim


-- 
Tim Castro		    *   "When the air becomes uranious
U.C. Berkeley               *    We will all go simultaneous
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From: stanford@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Stanford)
Subject: Re: Favorite Shows
Organization: none whatsoever
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 02:19:25 GMT

In article <don't whiz on the electric fence> jat6h@Virginia.EDU ("Mars, The Bringer of War") writes:

>Now, now.  Honest and truly, we (to my knowledge) never
>urinated on anybody's field.  Sorry about the insulting show,
>but hey, the home crowd at Maryland gave it a standing
>ovation.

Urinating on the field is Stanford Band (but not really), not our
brethren at UVa.  What happened was a couple of drunk Band members
relieved themselves after a game over by the stands (outside the
track, I believe).  Now take stated ick-but-innocent story and add:

1 part press
1 part legend
Shake violently until your puppy's head flies off and hits the wall.
The new story goes like this:

The entire Stanford Band dropped trou and urinated in the middle of
the field as part of their halftime performance.

Oy vey.
Scott
-- 
Scott Stanford                 |)  It's log, it's log.
stanford@leland.stanford.edu  /|   It's big, it's heavy, it's wood.
                             ((|,) It's log, it's log.
"MORE Doctah Peppah!!"        ~|~  It's better than bad; it's GOOD!