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Subject: Re: I'm surprised that...
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 17 Nov 92 09:10:19 -0600
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Organization: MSUS

In article <5108@prcrs.prc.com>, terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Nov11.013534.4182@c3.PLA.CA.US>, niall@c3.PLA.CA.US (Neal Bedard) writes:
> 
> 	info about Sonny Bargers' release from prison and...
> 
> > The Channel 7
> > newsdweeb made a snide remark about Sonny drinking "yuppie bottled water
> > because he isn't allowed alcohol as a condition of his parole. Just proves
> > again how totally weak the mainstream media are when it comes to evenhanded
> > coverage of motorcycling matters.
> 
> Just what exactly does his release from prison have to do with motorcycling
> matters?  What should he have been asked about motorcycling as he is being
> released from prison?  What would he have to say?   He is far more notorious
> to the general public as an outlaw,  and that is how the media covered him.


Why do you think he is more notorious as an outlaw than notorious for
being the president of the Hells Angels?  Not true in my opinion.
He has _always_ been identified as president of the Hells Angles
in news.
Organization: Hardware Maintenance, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 07:06:38 -0500 
From: John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Advice on 70 sport
	<1992Nov16.180324.23476@ryn.mro4.dec.com>

Chris,
  Regarding the Titanium valves-ooooopppss!, a typo....too,
too early in the morning.



					john...



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80FXB
91FXRS
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From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:44:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.174242.17151@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
|In article <1992Nov13.170925.22062@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
|+
|+Is that open for dicussion?  I think the new WG looks like a caricature
|+of the old WG.  Not too neat.
|
|I wonder how the new frame will fair.  I feel that HD is pushing it
|cause they put a lot of money into developing it.  I haven't heard a
|lot of reaction from the public one way or the other on this.  I wonder
|how sales are doing.
|
|I rode a 1991 Sturgis at Daytona last march.  It was shakey at idle and
|smoothed out quickly at speed.  Just as advertised.  Personally, I
|prefer the feel of my Low Rider, but it may be because that is what
|I am used to.

Well, what exactly ARE the claims of the Dyna frame, other than "smoother 
at speed"?  I haven't had a chance to ride a Dyna frame yet, but if it is
stronger, I would think it would be a blessing for those who fantasize
about a built Dyna FXR.

And I thought engine pulse was something that Harley riders valued?

The only thing that really *bothers* me about riding the Harleys that
I have ridden was when I tried a quick left-right-left transition at
speed, and got some shake.  I would suspect frame flexing, but it may
have been suspension, come to think.  That is rectifiable.

|+I think they will go to fuel injection to aid in efficiency and
|+tractability, but are less interested in performance.  That may make
|+buyers just have to change proms, rather than carbs, for higher
|+performance, though.  That would be good.
|
|The feeling that I get from talking to factory reps is that they
|prefer carbs and will stick with carbs as long as possible, but 
|emission laws may force them to use fuel infection, I mean injection.

Why do they prefer carbs?  I see little actual advantage to them, 
besides tradition and cost.  And the difference in cost is pretty minor 
on a $12K bike.  Or not.  :-)

		Dave Svoboda
Organization: Hardware Maintenance, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:43:42 -0500 
From: John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 71 Shovel
	<1263@tekcae.cax.tek.com>

Paul writes>>

>as Saviour that made the amen frame and the also the softail frame, Harley
>didn't invent the softail frame custom manufacturers'(sp?) in the 70's did.

Bzzzzt.  Wrong answer (again).

ABout two months ago I went to a vintage machine festival.  Among the
machines was a 1935 motorcycle, I believe it was a Vincent, maybe 
a Velocette.  Anyway, this (remarkably fine) original condition
motorcycle had a swinging A-frame for the rear wheel and a single
combo spring/shock absorber to suspend.  Yamaha invented the
mono-shock?  No Way!  Custom manufacturers in 1970's invented
the "softail" ?  No Way!

Paul, 
  If you want to get paticular Indian invented the softail, a double wishbone
design(check my sig.), also you didn't evidently ride much in the way of
Harleys
in the  late 60's into the 70's or else you would have agreed with my statement
regarding the  softail and such as custom manufacturers wanted the hardtail
look but with a soft ride hence the soft-tail, etc.,



						john...


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47Indian
78FX
80FXB
91FXRS
92FLHTC
HOG
AMA
ABATE
From: frankm@martinezjr.EBay.Sun.COM (Frank Martinez)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Advice on 70 sport
Date: 15 Nov 1992 18:03:42 GMT
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I`ll try this again...Need advice on 70 Sportsters good exper/bad exper.
Have a line on a 70 Sport for $1200.00 that needs gear work...good deal ?
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From: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Good Deal?
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:07:10 GMT
Reply-To: hartzler@cbmvax.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

A friend of a friend, is in need of some hard cash and is willing to give up
his 1986 FLSTF Fat Boy (34,000 miles) for $4,000.  I haven't seen or riden
the bike yet though I hear it is mint, except that it needs a new primary
cover.  The old one is all scratched up (the excuse is that he scraped it on
corners which is understandable).  I've had my heart set on a new FXDL Dyna
Low Rider but it will run me 3 times that of the used Fat Boy.

Should I jump at this offer?

Is 4 grand a good price for an ol' Fat Boy?

I figure that if it is and I don't care for the vibration I can always use
it as a good trade in.

Any comments?

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 PHONE 215-431-9421 {uunet,rutgers}!cbmvax!hartzler hartzler@commodore.com
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: tomw@megatek.com (Tom Wright)
Subject: Re: XLH questions
Reply-To: tomw@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 00:11:29 GMT

In article <d5r1m+n@rpi.edu> root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon) writes:
>I've seen a recent post on the net discussing the XLH vs Big twin.
>the general opinion is that the sportster is uncomfortable for
>anything longer than 2-3 hours at a time.
>
>I'd like to know what is the reason behind this.
>Does the sporty shake more than the big twin?
>Is it the seat or riding position? (would a corbin help here?)
>Does it effect 6 footers & above more ?
>

I have comuted on both types of HDs for the last 8+ years.

As important or perhaps more important than XLH vs Big twin is how your
machine is set up -- especially regarding a windshield.

If you have never ridden with a windshield, you would be amazed at the 
difference it makes. Riding 60 MPH feels like 30 MPH even with just a
pure windshield (as apposed to a fairing).

When I sold my Sportster, I selected the Heritage Special Classic because
I think it looks good with a windshield. Many others don't IMHO.

Even though my current commute is only 20-25 minutes, I love the comfort
a windshield supplies in the 60-70 range. It's also a giant plus if it
comes time to ride home and it has started to rain. (I'm too much of a
softy to set out in the rain -- no big problem in San Diego where it only
rains 20 days a year.)

Just my $.02 worth.

Tom Wright
'89 Heritage Special Classic
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From: ronan@ug.cs.dal.ca (brian c ronan)
Subject: To the guy who wants the 86 Fat Boy
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:38:22 GMT

From all I ever read and seen...I think your friend
or you don't know your bikes very well...because the
FAT BOY first came out in 89....I could be wrong but
I read that in 89 Harley produced the FAT BOY in only
one color too....SILVER...But for 4G sure buy it

P.S.-if I'm wrong I would like to be told so
Organization: Hardware Maintenance, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 06:59:32 -0500 
From: John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Sprung aftermarket frames (was Re:71 Shovel)

John,
  You are right regarding the frames, but the fellow(company)(name) that
made the predecessor of the softail evades me, my point was to state
that it was not a Harley creation. Also has anyone seen the lastest
issue of Iron Horse, or Easyrider-they have a scoot with the Amen
frame with the spring mounted in the rear where the axle is this is
one of the mfg.s to which I was referring to check it out. I only 
referenced the Amen name as I couldn't remember the correct one,
too many years ago, anyone out there have any more info?



						john...
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From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: Balancing
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:54:32 GMT

--

In article <dormont.721535408@spot.Colorado.EDU>, dormont@spot.Colorado.EDU
(DORMONT WILLIAM  M) writes:
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|>From: dormont@spot.Colorado.EDU (DORMONT WILLIAM  M)
|>Subject: Balancing
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|>
|>Another question that has come up on the way to reviving my basket '79
|>shovel - when a Harley crank is dynamically balanced, how do they do it?
|>The one shop I talked to that went into detail said they true up the crank,
|>note how true it is, disassemble it, put it together without the rods, and
|>send it to the balance shop (with rods, pistons, rings, pins for weighing).
|>Then, when they get it back, they reassemble the whole thing and true it
|>as closely as they can to where they had it before.  This sounds screwy
|>to me.  
|>I got a lot of good responses here regarding lower end work and other stuff,
|>like rocker box chrome (I'm going to polish instead).  My crank parts seem
|>pretty fresh still, but I want to have it checked out and rebalanced.
|> Oh, yeah - one place said they really like Wiseco stroker pistons.  They
|>said they are more durable than the S&S.  Any opinions?
|>
|>			Denny Powers
|>			c/o dormont@spot.colorado.edu

There's two types of balancing...static and dynamic. Static is the matching
and weighing of all of the parts and assembling. When you buy an S&S kit
that's done for you. Dynamic balancing is done on the whole assembly
while being spun. Several stroker builders who I respect have said that
dynamic balancing is a waste on an S&S kit because they come so close
right from the factory. Some come back from the balance shop untouched.

Definitely have your wheels torqued and trued if they're out of the case.

Wiseco makes good pistons but so does TRW (S&S). Maybe what you've 
heard that Wiseco forged pistons are better than S&S cast pistons. I 
would agree with that. TRW forged pistons are as good as Wiseco. IMO
Arias are the best, but you'll pay dearly for them. For a street motor, I
can't see any advantage.

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
From: felske@erich.triumf.ca (FELSKE, WAYNE W.)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: XLH questions
Date: 16 Nov 1992 10:38 PST
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>I've seen a recent post on the net discussing the XLH vs Big twin.
>the general opinion is that the sportster is uncomfortable for
>anything longer than 2-3 hours at a time.
>
	Well... Yes and no.
	My wife and I (on 2 bikes) ride all day (with breaks of course)
	and as long as you don't want to cruise for long periods at 70
	or more it's fine. After about 70 the vibes start getting annoying
	after a time.
	
>I'd like to know what is the reason behind this.
>Does the sporty shake more than the big twin?

	Do H.A.'s have tattoos

>Is it the seat or riding position? (would a corbin help here?)
>Does it effect 6 footers & above more ?
>
	Only if you are lots taller. I'm 6'2" and feel fine on it, but you have
to know the sporty is not a lean back cruiser. I is a prone position ride and 
will have the effect of tiring you a bit more quickly if you don't use a small
windscreen. (I don't have one and don't miss it very often) 
        A corbin (or some other custom ) seat will help. I've tried a friends
XL with a Corbin and plan on changing the seat on my wife's XL this winter.


>I'd really like to get a Harley in a few years, but I'm wondering
>if a have to go the serious bucks for a big twin right away.
>A big twin would be a goal for me , but I'm hoping I could get a sporty
>to be tolerable for longer rides.

	It will do it but how comfy you want to be is the question.
	I have heard of some people changing the the back sprocket (were
	of course talking chain not belt) a few teeth bigger which is great on
the Highway but a bit annoying at the stops.
	 
>BTW, I'm talking about EVO sportys here.

	No one I know who has tried an evo sporty would consider a pre evo
unless thier pocket book is really hurting.

	Wayne Felske    Now I'm going to take my Yamaha for a ride.

Organization: Hardware Maintenance, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:35:36 -0500 
From: John Makel <jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: 71 Shovel

David writes>>
I think the person looking for the 71 Shovel softail---84 cu may be on the 
wrong track.
For a start Harleys in 71 were 1200cc (74cu) big twins,Sportsters were 
883cc. Harley never made a Shovelhead softail. All softails are evo motors 
and of 80cu.
I am assuming that this letter was a joke, If it was then agent 99 got me.

Sporters prior to the 70's were of 900cc, during the 70's the displacement
reached 1000cc then to 1100, it wasn't till the 80's that the 883 was born.
Harley never made a softail in the 70's but there were companies such
as Saviour that made the amen frame and the also the softail frame, Harley
didn't invent the softail frame custom manufacturers'(sp?) in the 70's did.


							john...


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47Indian
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80FXB
91FXRS
92FLHTC
HOG
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From: lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall)
Subject: Re: XLH vs Big Twin
Organization: Siemens Pacesetter, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 19:30:16 GMT

>  You are SOOOOO funny, Lynn...  (Although you *have* seemed to mellow out
>since those posts in rec.motos about a year back).  If you don't know what
>a ZX-11 is, then I guess you've been fairly out-of-touch, possibly because
>of your interesting idea of patriotism.  I would have thought that someone
>that keeps a reference to NOS in his signature would at least know the
>players in the high power motorcycle game, unless the NOS has nothing to
>do with the cheap horsepower gains provided by Nitrous-Oxide injection
>systems.  Kind of makes your reference to NOS less credible.
 
 "Cheap horsepower" is is not. Yess, I run NOS on my XR1000 just for kicks
and its the one way to boost when you need it without having it on all the
time. Patriotism - yeah. I'm a native American. I don't sell out for the
latest UJM crap. Its sad but many from my generation died for your right to
choose. So I guess I'm out-of -touch. I prefer that to selling out.
 
>| I assume it's another product from a foriegn country.
>
>  Just a *little* more than a Harley is (if you are terming the non-American
>content of the various parts).  If you are meaning who gets paid to build it,
>perhaps you might be surprised to know that a bunch of people up in Lincoln,
>Nebraska, get together and build them - Americans, even.
>
 So what does that make them? Did you ever look at the economic situtation
and wonder how it got there? By the way - a Harley is well over 90%
AMERICAN. The PROFITS stay here. 

>| What is this "pilot" thing you sign after the ZX-11?
>
>  A euphemism?  Yeah, thats it...  However, since we are on the subject, what
>is the NOS in your signature supposed to refer to (since you don't seem to
>know high-power motorcycles)?

 I only know about high power HARLEY motorcycles. Could give a shit about
the rest of the UJM's.

>Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com

 I won't go into length about your comments about 'colors' but I posted
this so everyone on the net will be aware. Its serious shit! I don't care
if you live in Mule Creek Junction, Wyoming - outlaws are everywhere and
they take this serious. You can laugh it off if you want, justify your
position, etc, etc but when you are confronted by an outlaw your opinion
won't be worth much. If you take a look at the various patches there are
MAJOR rules to be followed.
  I've seen a patch pulled and its not a nice sight. Minor things like the
color and shape of the lettering could get you shot. Anyway do what you
will but being forewarned is forearmed. Here in the L.A. Zoo, wearing a
Kings (hockey) or Raiders clothing could get you killed in the wrong area.
I know it sucks but ... 
                       Lynn Hall - NOS Bros

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From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Personal to Charlie Smith
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:16:17 GMT

Charlie,

I was going to Email you but my system at home is not playing at the moment.

Thank you so much for the catty.  I loved your oic.  I will send you one of
me if it's not too much of a liberty.  Very sexy, you and the bike!

I must send you something in return, please tell me what thing (presumably an
English thing) that you would like.  A piece chipped from Stonehenge?  A bit of
hay from one of those circles?  A tuft of Georgey Brough's hair?  A drop of
leaked oil from a Vincent?  One of Diana's old bras?  A real dictionary?
Joking aside, please tell me.  I would send a surprise but I am sure that you 
can get hold of most stuff over there and I want it to be something special to
show my appreciation.  Expense is not a problem (keep it under 25 quid!) so
please tell me.

Great catalogue.  I fancy the turbo with the suspension and brakes upgrade.  I
remember some firm showing a turbo kit for a K100RS at last year's NEC bike
show.  Apparently they got 270BHP out of the bugger!!!  Fuck me!  That bugger
must have flown!

Anyway, thank you again, it's nice to know there are people like you around.
It makes me feel good to be here (on this old planet we call earth...)


Nick (the Grateful Alive Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   Luftmeister Catalog


M'Lud.   ("It's a sign, a sign!")
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jclayton@nyx.cs.du.edu (john clayton)
Subject: warning!! take care
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:40:31 GMT


vi
hello everyone.
I thought i would post this article to warn potential motorcycle buyers
to be careful....
let me explain.

last weekend i purchased a secondhand motorcycle (HONDA VT250F)
It still had a valid M.O.T.
When i got home i found that the cup which clamps the front wheel 
spindle,was very loose!!!
Luckily the spindle itself was still tight. 
The trip home had included fast motorway sections.

You do not expect to have to thoroughly inspect a bike ,but after this
incident i intend to do just that!!

The  bike itself is in very good condition.

anyway i hope i have given you all some food for thought.

P.S. does anybody know if clymer produce a manual for the VT250F???

all for now john.
From: joe@woody.mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: ZX-11 front brake.
Date: 18 Nov 92 14:51:27 GMT
Reply-To: joe@mpd.tandem.com
Organization: Tandem Computers Inc., Austin, TX.

]]Any advice to improve the front brake performance of a ZX-11?
]that still doesn't give you the desired performance, either rebuild the
]calipers or find some bigger ones (if there are bigger calipers!  Those
ZX-11
]ones are pretty sizable.)

the 93 ZX-11 has larger diameter front rotors and (no doubt) larger calipers
to match. shouldn't be too hard to retrofit from a 93 ZX-11 to your ZX-11.
you'll no doubt need to remove at least one testicle to pay for them
though...

-- 
Joe Senner                                          joe@rider.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
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From: datasbld@bnr.ca (Datasbuild)
Subject: Re: MERCEDES MOTORCYCLE????
Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:27:47 GMT

Mark Kromer (markk@tcs.com) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov19.112844.2339@bnr.uk>, datasbld@bnr (Datasbuild) writes:
: 
: >ObMoto>  Jaguar didn't make a motorbike either, but they started life as a
: >         sidecar manufacturer.  Swift Sidecars, I believe (or Swallow?).  Their
: >         early cars were known as SSs as in SS100.
: 
: Standard Swallow, hence the SS in SS100.
: 
: --
: )V(ark)<               markk@tcs.com                   DoD #400
: 1988 FZR400           1985 ZX900 Ninja              1977 RD400D
:                  Why do I know this stuff?


Thanks.  I knew I'd get there in the end.  

I think my dad had one on one of his Beezers.  He had a Watsonian and a Stieb
at various other times.  I his Watsonian (I think) he could and did carry 
three adults.  Two more on the bike and the hole 'combo' carried more people
than most affordable cars of the period and had better performance.  I spent
my early years being ferried around in combos.  Father was in the RAF and did
not earn much money.  He could not afford a car and could not afford the
petrol to run a car either.  After the war (fifties and early sixties) petrol
was comparitively expensive in Blighty.  Many many people had bikes, purely
as affordable transport.  This was one of the reasons (I presume) why most
British bikes were singles and twins and used single carburettors in order to
be economical.  Nowadays, petrol usage is a bit OTT.  Kay only does about 
41MPG which is a bit disgusting, but I do ride her hard though.  C'est la vie.


Nick (the Ruminating Biker)   MAG 73516   DoD 1069   "Britain After The War"


M'Lud.  "Want to buy some petrol coupons?"
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