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On Page 89 of the September 7, 1992 issue of PC Week is an article on 
Coherent 4.0.  

While the article is not extremely techincal, it provides a general overview
and makes some evaluations (read as judgements and opinions) about
Coherent.  It does have a Scoreboard for the product, with an overal weighted
score of 3.1 (out of 5)

Check it out if you like.

Alan

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: sidney@picard.med.ge.com (Bill Sidney MPE 4-6324)
Subject: MWC-BBS mirror
Organization: GE Medical Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 14:21:07 GMT

I've read where raven.alaska.edu, will carry MWC-BBS files, and believe that
is great.  I seem to remember that orca.alaska.edu, was set up as a 
Coherent Users Group, and was mirroring the MWC-BBS. What is the status 
of these sites? 

SIDE NOTE:

I received 4.01 (YEAH!!), and found reference to other users groups, and 
MWC-BBS mirrors. 

-=Sid=-

Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: pred@iitmax.iit.edu (Predrag S. Bundalo)
Subject: Re: Poor performance.
Organization: IIT--Institute of Increasing Tuition.
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 22:37:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.143743.4041@csx.cciw.ca> hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley) writes:
>
>Are you sure that your Dhrystone is working under Coherent?  2200 sounds a lot
>like 22000/10; 22000 would be quite reasonable.  Could it be that you have an
>order of magnitude problem?  (When I say reasonable here I am still skeptical;
>I would hope that, with 32 bit instructions and registers, the DOS Dhrystone
>should be lower than under Coherent, not higher.)

I'm positive.  On the DOS side, it takes 1 to 2 seconds for the bench to
complete.  On the COHERENT side it's 21-23 seconds.

And the benchmark wasn't exactly 2200.  It was about 2217.

>The make for Dhrystone is quite different under DOS and Coherent.  The timing 
>is much more precise under Coherent.  Make sure that your defines are correct,
>etc.

It's exactly the same procedure to compile my version of Dhrystone on both
systems.  It's version "C/1" dated December 1984, which shouldn't make any
difference.

>After all this, it could of course, still be a motherboard problem but I doubt
>it.  2000 for a 386/20 still sounds quite low (note the numbers for my 286-12
>above).

I can't bet my life on the number--you may be right--since I was going from
memory and the assumption that my 386 CAN'T have been faster than my 486.

Regards,

Pred Bundalo
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: mcampbel@eola.cs.ucf.edu (Mike Campbell )
Subject: uucp1 vs uucp2 at raven?
Organization: University of Central Florida
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 14:22:17 GMT

What's the difference between uucp1 and uucp2 dirs at raven?  

Also, I've d/l the uucp1 directory, cat'ed, unzipped, and looked at it,
printed out the documentation, and have a few questions.

1) Numerous mentions made in the docs about the v2 vs bnu style config
files, yet I cannot find in the makefile where one gets to change this.
How does one choose which style one wants?
Nor in conf.h.  (Am I missing something here?)  Similar question with
regards to SPOOLDIR_TAYLOR vs SPOOLDIR_BNU.

2) I notices executables are provided in the .zip file.  For which
style spooldir/config files are these compiled for?

Much thanks appreciated.

Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: clau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Christopher Lau)
Subject: Wierd effect: Console in "polled" mode????
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 18:37:03 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Hello!

Has anyone out there experienced the following problem in Coh 4.0.1:

		o  try to port something that uses curses and termcap/terminfo
		o  get it to compile without errors
		o  run it, at which point it either runs or it doesn't
		o  crash or exit program with wrong terminal settings
		o  type 'stty sane' to fix up terminal, at which point the
		   cursor is flashing back and forth between the left side of
		   the screen and the end of your prompt, almost like you're
		   getting "polled"..  comparing 'stty -ag' with another virtual
		   console shows identical output (correcting non-identical settings
		   to match the "working" console doesn't help..  I still get the
		   "polling" effect).  'kill quit 1' does nothing, however, logging
		   out, killing the shell or a 'disable/enable' cycle DO fix it..

My question is:  What _IS_ this effect (am I right that the console has
somehow been switched into some sort of polling mode?), and how do I stop it
without having to log out and back in again?

My configuration: 
		o Coh 4.0.1
		o 386/33 + Generic LS TTL motherboard + Phoenix 386 BIOS
		o 16 Meg 60ns DIP DRAM  (yes this IS an old machine)
		o 2 IDE HD (40 MB Conner 31044 + 300 MB Seagate)
		o ATI VGA Wonder in Hercules "AMBER" mode (So I like mono, sue me!)
		o Generic multisync VGA monitor.
		o Modems, do-dads, do-hickeys and whatchamacalits...

Anyone have any ideas?   Bob? Ed?  anyone at MWC?

Thanks
c4
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From: roger@neptons.UUCP (Roger Barth)
Subject: Re: Gnews/Tass beta system (doesn't work)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:50:46 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cameron Park, CA

mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
> I received a bunch of messages from people telling me to post the
> gnews/tass package to Raven anyway, in spite of the slowness.
> Just to be on the safe side, I tried to install it to see if
> it worked with no big hassles.  There are problems.
> 
> 1. rnews chokes on incoming news batches with an error like:
> 
> unable to open output batch /usr/spool/news/in.coming/Z...
> 
> I have no idea why this happens.  Just to be on the safe side
> I made the in.coming directory a=rwx, but the error did not
> go away.
> 
> 2. The news poster "gnp" doesn't work.  Attempting to post
> a test article caused:
> 
> getactive: unable to open active file /usr/lib/news/active
> gnewspost: invalid rc from gnewscheck, rc=1
> gnewspost: article not posted due to above error.
> 
> I'm baffled by this one also since the active file is certainly
> in the /usr/lib/news directory.  Chmod a=rwx active didn't help
> matters.
> 
> 3. gnewsexp barfs also with the following message:
> 
> unable to obtain lock /usr/spool/news/in.coming/LCK..gnews
> 
> I followed the instructions exactly so I think there are
> still problems with this port.  I used gnews exclusively
> when I was using Coh3.2 so I know most of the gnews pitfalls
> (I think).  If the object is to get a turnkey news system
> for a novice user, then this port (as it currently stands)
> is not successful.
> 
> As soon as I'm satisfied that a novice can get this going,
> I'll post it to Raven.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris
Chris,

I would like to know what you find is the problem since I had
re-installed the combination on my system a number of times and never
had any problem.

Maybe there was something I missed in the instructions.

From the sounds of it, it appears the permissions are wrong on the
directories.  The 'install' script needs to be run logged in as
'root'.

The programs work. Make the programs with 'make install' logged in as
root. 

Modify the feed files "antaresfeed", and put them in /usr/gnews.

rnews needs permissions 6511 root root.
/usr/lib/news needs permissions of 777 news news.
/usr/spool/news and /usr/spool/news/in.coming need permissions of 777
news news.

In the mean time,  I have made more modififications since I found the
problem that redirecting the stderr in the crontabs does not redirect
to the log file but corrupts the file being written (directory file or
index file).  This is a don't care since the excess lines are thrown
out while running.


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roger%neptons@antares.intel.com                 916-677-9771 (voice)
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From: roger@neptons.UUCP (Roger Barth)
Subject: Re: Inode/Crontab problems with 4.0.1
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Date: 10 Sep 92 06:01:31 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Cameron Park, CA

tpa10@ccc.amdahl.com (Thomas P. Anderson) writes:
> In article <5282252@neptons.UUCP> roger@neptons.UUCP (Roger Barth) writes:
> >tpa10@ccc.amdahl.com (Thomas P. Anderson) writes:
>     ...some deleted...
> >> screens full of "(11,1):Inode nnnn busy" messages, culminating in an
> >> "(11,1):Inode table overflow" message and a "Panic:bad()" message.

> Just to update:  puting the 'atrun' stuff back into /usr/lib/crontab
> (and answering all those prompts for the abandoned pipes etc.) DID work.
> At least I can boot and use my system now.  As for UUCP, I just log in
> as root and force the call, for now.  BTW please keep me posted:  I sent
> email to support@mwc.com and never got any response, so IF you get a fix
> please let me know.  I used to get email from Doug, but haven't heard
> from him for a while.
> Just a general question (as I am new to this Unix stuff), what is the
> mechanism for software maintenance.  I poked around on mwcbbs and
> downloaded the 'news' files etc. but how do I know if the versions of
> programs that I have are newer/older than the ones on the bbs?  Just
> looking at the dates and hoping doesn't seem very reliable.
> 
> Tom A.

I also am back to using /usr/lib/crontab.  The method I have used to
determine whether my software was the latest or not was to look at
the date of the file.  If it is before the post date shown in the
mwcbbs software by at least a month, you are probably in need of an
update.

Roger

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From: umunk@naxos.sni.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Minicom and Xc
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:35:07 GMT
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Info.Sys. AG, Paderborn, Germany

Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bret Johnson) writes:

>Has anyone gotten mincom or Xcmalt to work under 4.0.1?

>I thought the Makefiles where pretty much plug and play but I 
>can not get either of them to run..

Minicom 1.32 runs fine under 4.0. Xcmalt is out, the newest
version is xc 3.3, which also runs fine under 4.0.
To use these programs also remember to disable the tty device
before. Im using shell scripts like the following one,
so that I can't forget to disable:
/etc/disable com2r
xc
/etc/enable com2r
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From: klovatt@generic.uucp (Keith Lovatt)
Subject: Re: Deleting Masterboot without reinstalling?
Organization: Terra*Net Public Access Unix BBS.  (416) 731-{3468,9867}, 237-0308
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 01:29:50 GMT

thigpen@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Keith Thigpen) writes:

>I'm looking at removing Coh from my PC to reinstall on a deicated machine.
>Is there an easy way to delete Masterboot from my hard drive without
>going thru the reinstall procedure?

If you are running DOS 5.0, you can issue the command "FDISK /MBR". This
rewrites the Master Boot Record.

Keith.

Keith Lovatt
klovatt@terranet.cts.com
From: michael@mwc.com ("Michael L. Kaufman")
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Sizeof int (Was Re: Coherent Porting Tips #1 (send your tips!))
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:48:44 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

>From emory!beehive!paul  Fri Sep  4 07:33:17 1992 remote from pirates
>6. Coherent 386 has small (16 bit) ints, while most work stations have 32 bit
>ints.  Thus where 70000 is okay as an int on some machines, it should be
>declared as long (70000L) for Coherent.  Remember to change the variables
>holding those values from int to long, too.

This is incorrect. Sizeof int is 4. 70000 is okay as an int under Coherent 4.
The manual is incorrect. The next revision of the lexicon will be better.

Michael
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From: baker@ROBOCOP.NYU.EDU (Jonathan Baker)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: BIOS & Coherent
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:47:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

Is there any way to access the BIOS from Coherent C?  I don't see any
reference to functions like int86() and int86x().  Have these services
been somehow remapped, or are they accessible, and has anyone written
replacements for these functions?  or should I write them?

The real question behind the question is, how can I do graphics in
Coherent?  Ideally, I would just like to plot points, but for that I
need to go to BIOS services.  I have Coherent 4.0.1, on a 486 nameless
clone.

	Jonathan Baker
	baker@robocop.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: umunk@naxos.sni.de (Udo Munk)
Subject: Re: help with modem
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Info.Sys. AG, Paderborn, Germany
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 08:46:15 GMT

LECTRICAMISH@DELPHI.COM writes:

[...]
>here is a copy of my ttys, modeminit and rc files, if i had known that
>my modem was incompatible with coherent i would have certainly thought
>twice about buying it.

There is *no* modem, what can't be used with Coherent! Every modem can
be configured to work with Coherent, because Coherent offers a lot
of configuration files and nothing is hard-coded.

>0lLcom3r
 ^^^^^^^^  this is wrong, this should be 0rLcom3r
>1lPcolor0
>1lPcolor1
>1lPcolor2
>1lPcolor3
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From: LECTRICAMISH@DELPHI.COM
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: help with modem
Date: 5 Sep 92 22:16:52 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

I'm having a problem with setting up my modem with coherent, after
days of messing around with it, i finally figured out that my modem
defaults to "strapping" the DTR (no thanks to tech support i might
add), so i now resorted to plugging in my ole 2400, and things almost
work (alot better then they did before, but anyway) i can dial out
fine, but when i try to get incoming calls - here is what happens -

(of couse the modem is initialized)
and the phone rings -  ::ring::
the modem picks up and they connect.
the caller (so i'm told, i can't call it myself) connects fine
   but all they see is "garbage" echoed back when they hit enter
   he's tried even/odd/none parity and 7/8 data bits and all
   combinations.

I have got it to work - this is how -
i disable the com port (in this case com1r)
and wait for the phone to ring and the modems to connect.
when i hear that they are connect, i go to ckermit do
     set line /dev/com1r
     set speed 2400       (damn 2400 is slow when you are used to 14.4k)
     c                    (to connect to the port)

and i'm connected to the person calling in (in this case my brother)
and i usually say "chuck?" (my brother's name) and he'd say "yes" and
then i'd type ^\C to get disconnected from the port and then exit
ckermit and type
enable /dev/com1r

and he gets the prompt and everything fine..

i need to find out how to make all right with the world, and hopefully
even how to use my new modem with Coherent.

advaTHANKSnce.
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: help with modem
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 06:01:42 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

> > What's in your /etc/ttys? Is modeminit being called in /etc/rc? What does
> > modeminit contain?
> 
> here is a copy of my ttys, modeminit and rc files, if i had known that
> my modem was incompatible with coherent i would have certainly thought
> twice about buying it.
> 
> 0lLcom3r
> 1lPcolor0
> 1lPcolor1
> 1lPcolor2
> 1lPcolor3

Notice the first line here? I suggest you read the manual entry for /etc/ttys,
if this was its contents at the time someone tried to dial in I'm not surprised
nothing much happened.

						- k
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From: CHAMBLES@usmcp6.bitnet (JOHN CHAMBLESS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: WORDSTAR CLONE
Date: 11 Sep 92 23:45:48 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

Udo Monk wrote...

 -> I can offer DTE (a Wordstar clone) ported to 3.2. I haven't
 -> compiled
 -> it under 4.0 yet.
 ->
I'd love to get the 3.2 version. I'm not likely to have a
386 or better soon.


*<chambles@usmcp6.bitnet>
*Billy Chambless; University of Southern Mississippi
* mwcbbs!madhax!billy
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: g89r4255@hippo.ru.ac.za (Lt Sajid Rahim)
Subject: What are the advantages of Coherent.
Summary: Coherent
Keywords: Coherent
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 09:29:00 GMT


I have a copy of coherent sitting on my desk. I am not sure
of exaclty what is available from it. I am more interested
in the YACC and LEX facilities and the C compiler. As 
far as I remeber that all these facilities are available.

The version I have is V3.1.0. Is it possible to run any
UNIX software on it. If not is there software available
for it. How about uucp?

Thanks in advance for the answers.

Sincerely

Sajid

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From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Data CMP modems, fcntl.h et.al.
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:10:34 GMT
Organization: U. Munk's private BBS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

vax@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vax) writes:
[...]
: Will MWC make an official announcement (on the net) about fcntl.h?  As I see
: it, we have three alternatives:
: 	o Move fcntl.h to the /usr/include/sys directory as per the dox.

Really a poor idea! If you port software to your modified Coherent and
give this to a unexperienced user, who hasn't moved his fcntl.h,
she/he would say: s..., why does this ported program doesn't compile????

: 	o Make a link from the sys directory into /usr/include, thus
: 	  effectively having 'two' copies of fcntl.h

Same as above, privat modifications aren't the right way.

: 	o Leave fcntl.h in the /usr/include directory and modify incoming
: 	  source to look for it there.

Yes, please do so, until this problem is solved by MWC!

I've take a look at various System V's, the real fcntl.h lives in
/usr/include/sys, and /usr/include/fcntl.h only contains one line:
#include <sys/fcntl.h>
Of cause also a link would work.

PS: I'll mail a copy of this article to MWC, just to be sure that
    someone there get informed about this problem.
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From: mrm@sceard.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Dhrystone 2.1 result of Coherent V4.0.1
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:39:19 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>
Organization: The Mole and Badger Association of Northern San Diego County

In article <9209080422.AA15727@nkk.tom.astem.or.jp> you write:
>On my Gateway2000 486DX/33 (486DX, 33MHz, 64k cache) ISA 16Mbyte memory +
>Coherent 4.0.1:
>
>cc -O without register option:                      14200 Dhrystones/sec
>cc -O with    register option:                      14539 Dhrystones/sec
>
>FYI:
>Sun-4/110 SunOS 3.2 cc -O3 w/o register option    : 12579 Dhrystones/sec
>Sun-4/260 SunOS 3.2 cc -O3 w/o register option    : 18048 Dhrystones/sec
>VAX-11/780 ULTRIX 2.0-1 cc -O w/o register option :  1336 Dhrystones/sec
>(From uunet!pcrat!rick)
>
>// Kenji

A 486DX/33 (486DX, 33MHz, 64k cache) ISA 16Mbyte memory + ISC 3.2 (2.2.1)
cc -O with register option  20576 Dhrystones/sec (from time dryr486, 2.43s
user time for 50000 passes). If just the output of dryr486 is used, then it
gives 2 seconds for 50000 passes, 25000 Dhrystones/sec. The 20576 number is
closer to truth. Another important benchmark is how fast is the disk I/O
for a system. Coherent seemed a little slow.

Regards,
Mike
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: sidney@picard.med.ge.com (Bill Sidney MPE 4-6324)
Subject: Re: Help: freeze vs. compress
Organization: GE Medical Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 16:36:28 GMT


I was able to compile freeze version 1.0 under Coh 3.2..  I do not believe 
I had any problems after editing the Makefile, although it has been quite 
a while.

I was unable to compile version 2.0.  I did find the freeze 1.0 gave 
compression results that were comparable to using 16 bits, while being 
as fast as the default compress of 11 bits.

I would have to get on my Coherent machine, and take a look at the source 
code for version 1, but I seem to remeber that the copy I pickuped was 
from a minix archive and compiled very easily.

-=Sid=-


Michael Schack (landstry@tpki.toppoint.de) wrote:
: is there someone out there who uses freeze on a coherent
: system? I tried to port it but I'm not familiar with C yet...
: :-(
: