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From: mcduffeek@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Terminator 3: Any word?
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 03:11:24 GMT

In article <ROUGAN.93Jan8181930@bigwpi.WPI.EDU>, rougan@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Untitled) writes:
> In article <1993Jan6.180254.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:
> 
> 
>    a movie about the war in the future with sky-net.  (T0 because it would 
>    hopefully be before sky-net was prevented from coming into existance)
> 
> 
> Who says that Skynet was prevented from coming into existance?  At the 
> end of the second movie, and I could be wrong, Arnold, in his beat up form,
> decended into the molten metal, and the kid throws the chip and the arm into
> the metal, right.  The thing is that there were two unatached arms, or am I
> imagining this.  One got ripped off in the fight with the t-1000, and the other
> was from the original terminator and was acquired from Cyberdine industries
> with the chip.  Now at the end, one arm is still unaccounted for.
> So Skynet could still happen.
> 

Oh come on!!  From an arm?  I seriously doubt that the chip is located in the
terminator's arm!  I admit it was peculiar that Arnold tells the kid to throw
the arm in the metal, but I don't think the mangled up arm would cause any
scientist to have a significant brainstorm...


> 
> "The further I get from the things that I care about.....
>    the less I care about how much further away I get"  The Cure         
>       rougan@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner)
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Subject: Re: Terminator
Date: 4 Jan 93 15:51:43 GMT
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From article <EBU.93Jan4161414@lk-hp-13.hut.fi>, by ebu@snakemail.hut.fi (Erik Bunn):
> Another one with some similarities to Terminator: Clifford Simak's
> 'The [Second/Third/Fourth?] Variant'.

Second Variety, by Philip K. Dick.
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From: S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: Yet another movie to ID
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:55:49 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

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From: brenta@microsoft.com (Brent Aliverti)
Subject: Yet another movie to ID
Date: 29 Dec 92 06:04:01 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.

Yikes...I hope this thread isn't getting to stale, but I've got a couple movies

The first one, I can just barely remember.  I saw it maybe twelve years ago on
TV and have wanted to see it again.  I can only remember a couple scenes so
here goes...  The movie opens up in an orbitting space station.  In it, three
astronauts are awakened by a computer from a period of suspended animation
(perhaps several hundred years).  There is some sort of shuttle that they are
able to take back down to the earth.  There, they find things have changed
radically, and they find many customs that they have trouble dealing with.
One of them is the practice of cloning, which has apparently become commonplace.
I beleive some sort of conflict arises regarding this issue, but that's about
all I can remember.  Sound familiar to anyone?
--------------------------------End Of Text---------------------------------

This sounds likea movie called Strange New World (not to be confused with
AH's Brave New World).  I missed the first 30-45 min of this one but I
I picked up where these three astronauts (2 male, 1 female) are in a Greek
type community and barely escape from some catastrophy, although I don't
recall what.  They then get back in their Venusmobile (I guess they brought
it with them, I missed that part) and drove on.  They end up in a zoo fighting
this gang of savages and wild beasts.  I don't know, I wasn't too impressed
but you should be able to find it at Blockbuster or any other large video
store.
From: guptaa@alleg.edu (...Star's Fire)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Star Trek VII ?!?!?!
Date: 8 Jan 93 20:19:51 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

In article <C03686.1pI@idm.com> elr@idm.com (Eric L Reiner) writes:
||| Has anybody heard about Star Trek 7 - the movie?  A local TV station
||| has been broadcasting an anouncement about a Star Trek convention on
||| Jan 4 in Chicago where they will show (amoung other things) previews
||| of Star Trek VII.  Is this for real or are they trying to get me to a 
||| convention where I will be disappointed.  My understanding was that
||| ST VI was it, no more, thats all fokes, etc....  Any information would
||| be appreciated.
|||  Thanks 
|||    Eric Reiner

disclaimer - I cannot vouch for anything I say here 'cause all my info is hearsay, but I heard  
that Star Trek VII is planned to be released this summer. You all must have heard about the  
planned phasing out of the Star Trek : The Next Generation with introduction of Star Trek :  
Deep Space Nine. The movie will apparantly introduce the TNG characters into the film  
series... but I cannot guarrantee the authenticity of this info...if anybody has  
more/authentic info on this, please let me know.
Thanks.
Val.


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From: rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (rabjab)
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Subject: Re: Alien Genesis: Earth?
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:09:34 GMT
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In article <alien.02fn@acheron.amigans.gen.nz> alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes:

>The position of the "elephants" (I assume you mean the species of the "space
>jockey" from the first movie) is explained in one of the Dark Horse comics --
>they use the Aliens as terraforming (well, their-planet-forming) tools, and
>Earth was on their "to do" list...

So the elephants are using the Aliens for the purposes of Xenocide?
Why did the elephant allow Billie, Wilks, etc. to leave the alien's
planet? 

>We know for certain that the Aliens weren't created by humans, since the
>Predators have been hunting them since at least the present day and
>presumably earlier (the skull in P2).

Good point.

-rabjab
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From: tdwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Troy D Wood)
Subject: Planet of the Apes--Nuclear War
Summary: Nuclear War Timeline
Keywords:  Humans, Mutants, Nuclear War
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:23:21 GMT

> In Planet of the Apes...we are led to believe that the Humans started a 
> Nuclear War and after they destroyed each other the Apes evolved.  But,
> In Escape from the Planet of the Apes, Zira tells that the apes just
> revolted while they were being treated as pets after the cats and dogs
> died.  What happened to the Nuclear War?

    Rai, I think watching the next two Apes films would probably clear
up your confusion.  Briefly, to summarize, the movie after "Escape..."
is "Conquest..." in which Zira and Cornelius` son (now named Caesar instead
of Milo for some reason) does lead a revolt with other pet apes who did
in fact become pets after the dogs and cats died (I think because of a disease
carried by a satellite returning to Earth).  These other apes do not yet have
the capability of speech, and at the movie's end we really only know that they
will no longer be essentially slaves of the humans.  Between "Conquest..." and
the next movie, "Battle...", a nuclear conflict does take place.  Humans and
Apes live together (both capable of speech) in a small village run by a chimp
(Caesar???).  However, mutants from New York City who survived the holocost
decide to war with the village.  The mutants are defeated, but a male and 
female mutant do remain behind in the underground city (and decide not to use
the bomb against the villagers).
     I've always assumed that in the time between "Battle..." and then the
original movie (time loop being closed at that point) the humans in the village
became speechless and were the ancestors of Nova and the other humans, while
Cornelius, Zira, Dr. Zaius and the others were descended from Caesar and his
followers.  The Nuclear War, taking place after the ape revolt, probably 
insured that the apes would not be subjugated to human dominion.  The mutant 
survivors in "Battle..." no doubt are the ancestors of the mutants seen in the 
second film, "Beneath...", who were responsible (with Taylor's help) of the 
last Nuclear War.

Troy D. Wood
The Ohio State University
From: mcsweinberg@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Star Trek sequel?
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:23:45 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

> 
>  I am surprise that you think Star Trek is for the teen crowd.
> I am 31 and love ST  all my friends and most of my family also
> love both ST and ST:TNG ... this is definately not a kiddy bopper thing
> and maybe if you have so much trouble with it and being polite to
> people that do mayby it is your teeny bopper mentality that prevents
> it.  If you don't like ST then that is fine but must you put down
> those of us that do?  (maybe you are one of the crowd that
> goes nuts over the Bundys in "Married with sick humor"?)


I'm 20, (I hate Married.,...)  but I also haven't been impressed with TNG
I'm a die hard ST fan... Although I plan to give Deep Space Nine a chance.
It's not an age thing....

Rai.
From: pjhst10+@pitt.edu (Peter   J Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park - DNA in blood?
Date: 6 Jan 93 14:41:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: blue.1432
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <C0F5G8.1uy@quadsys.com> roland@quadsys.com (Roland Besserer) writes:
>S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:
>: 
>: I have to agree, however, that the writing, plot, and character developement
>: of the novel leave something to be desired.  However, it could make a very
>: good movies, if Spielburg will keep control of his "creativeness" and
>: stick to the story.

I thought that it was a great book.  I read it in one day, cover to cover.
I am looking forward to a followup on it.  Imagine the raptors breeding
in the jungle, further adapting to the new climate, and attacking
the villages nearby.  A previous poster said that he felt that the dinos
would have no chance in todays society, I think that they would pose a
formidable threat since the only way to be sure that you get all of them
is to destroy the entire rainforest in that area.  They are quite
intelligent.  I think that some of the posters on this topic are a bit
humo-centric (to coin a phrase).  You can question the science, but I
felt that the book and the idea was fascinating, even if it is not
possible.  There are many SF novels out there that are based on things
that are thought not to be possible.

PJHST10+@pitt.edu
From: mcsweinberg@memstvx1.memst.edu (*R*A*I*)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Movie Still/Posters/Whatever FTP sites?
Date: 12 Jan 93 13:01:35 -0600
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1993Jan11.235137.22347@midway.uchicago.edu>, ror1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Richard O. Rouse III) writes:
> 
> 
> Is there a good FTP site for science fiction movie GIFs?  
> What about movies in general?
> 
> Thanx in advance.
I don't know about .gifs but there is a good sight for sci-fi movie scripts.
I think it's ftp coe.montana.edu.

Rai.

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From: mcsweinberg@memstvx1.memst.edu (*R*A*I*)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Video Release/Highlander ?
Date: 13 Jan 93 02:12:48 GMT
Organization: Memphis State University

Does anyone have a list of movies being released on Video Tape this year and
dates of release seeing the theater release list made me thing of this.

Also- Can anyone tell me anything about the "Highlander" series on cable. Is it
based on the Movies??? or what? Also who was in and when did Highlander 1 come
out I'd like to see it. I saw HL 2 and although the movie was week the story
seems intreguing(sp?).

Rai.
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From: sirwin@isrc.sandia.gov (Scott J. Irwin)
Subject: Re: THE QUIET EARTH
Organization: Sandia National Labs, Org. 1600, Albq., NM
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:43:35 GMT

I have seen this movie and enjoyed it so much, I wanted to experience it
via book.  However, I have searched high and low for it and have been
unable to obtain this story in its printed form.  Apparently, it is
unavailable to US booksellers (or at least the ones I have tried to
special order it through).  Any suggestions?

Send replys to: sirwin@isrc.sandia.gov

Scott J Irwin
sirwin@isrc.sandia.gov
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From: marcus@illusion.chi.il.us (Marcus Hall)
Subject: Re: Buckaroo Bonzai
Keywords: Buckaroo
Reply-To: marcus@illusion.UUCP (Marcus Hall)
Organization: Magic Numbers Software, Bloomingdale, IL
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:23:15 GMT

In article <mumble> marshal@maico.ksu.ksu.edu (Timothy Pat Marshall) writes:

>Sorry if I'm spelling the name wrong.  Does anyone know if there are
>more than 1 Buckaroo movie?  I've been told there are several but
>I can only find 1.  Thanks.

In article <more mumble> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:
>
>Close on the spelling; its Buckaroo Banzai.  And there is only one
>movie.  

Unless there was a re-release of the tape, it is actually mis-spelled on
the video label  as Buckaroo Bonzai!!!

We sure were surprised to see that they couldn't even get the label right!

A similar thing happened on the first Alan Parsons' Project album.  On the
cassette version, it says "Tales of History and Imagination" instead of
"Tales of Mystery and Imagination".  I guess this sort of thing just happens...

marcus hall

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From: jswartz@mbunix.mitre.org (Swartz)
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:29:17 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.153814.4894@memstvx1.memst.edu> mcsweinberg@memstvx1.memst.edu (*R A Isexit) writes:
>I don't know if this is the appropriate group but I noticed an error in
>storyline in the Planet of the Apes movies and wanted to know if anyopne else
>noticed it or if I am incorrect. 
>
>In Planet of the Apes... we are to believe that the Humans started a Nuclear
>War and after they destroyed each other the Apes evolved. But, In Escape from
>the Planet of the Apes, Zera tells that the apes just revolted while they were
>being treated as pets after the cats and dogs died. What happened to the4
>Nuclear War?
>
>Rai.
>

The history may depend on an individual's (in this case Zira's) interpretation,
although the series of movies indicate that both events happened.  First,
the apes revolted (led by Zira's son, Caesar) while being treated as slaves
(pets first, after the dogs and cats died, but then as slaves when men found
out how easily they could be trained to do manual labor and menial tasks) --
this is the storyline of "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes", the fourth
movie in the series.  In the opening of "Battle for the Planet of the Apes",
we are told of the apes' revolt, and then of a nuclear war which happened
sometime later (the nuclear war was, as far as I can tell, unrelated to the
apes' revolt).  Most of the apes, and a handful of humans survived to set
up a society.  Those humans that were with the apes were still "normal", with
the exception of the mutants that lived in the destroyed cities (in the
"Forbidden Zone").  It is not made clear when the remaining humans became
reduced to a more primitive (and speechless) race, however at the end of
"Battle for the Planet of the Apes", they were still intelligent, although
living the more primitive lifestyle of the apes.


Oh, but this stuff takes me back . . .


John

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From: ebu@snakemail.hut.fi (Erik Bunn)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Terminator
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:33:44 GMT
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In-reply-to: mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at's message of 4 Jan 93 15:51:43 GMT

In article <6270@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at> mst@vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (Markus Stumptner) writes:

>From article <EBU.93Jan4161414@lk-hp-13.hut.fi>, by ebu@snakemail.hut.fi (Erik Bunn):
>> Another one with some similarities to Terminator: Clifford Simak's
>> 'The [Second/Third/Fourth?] Variant'.

>Second Variety, by Philip K. Dick.

I stand corrected. That's what you get for trying to remember
away from your library.

My apologies to C.Simak and P.K.Dick or representatives - don't sue me.. =)

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Subject: Re: Alien Genesis: Earth?
From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith)
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:21:20 GMT+12
Distribution: world
Organization: Muppet Labs

In article <rabjab.2.726538993@golem.ucsd.edu> rabjab@golem.ucsd.edu (rabjab) writes:
>After reading Steve Perry's Aliens: Earth Hive, the idea that the
>Alien comes originally from an Earth biotech lab seems even more
>likely, given the extreme sloppiness of the company in handling
>the Alien on Earth and it's penchant for killing or repressing anyone
>who knows about the existence of the Alien.
>
>The actions of the "Elephant" in the book are interesting: it saves
>Billie, Wilks and the crewman in the supposed home planet of the
>Alien with a special Alien Killer gun, yet it does nothing to
>assist humanity as the Aliens overrun the Earth. Billie even senses
>satisfaction from the Elephant as it views humanities demise, almost
>as if revenge were a factor.
>
>It would make sense to construct the Alien, use it on a competitor
>for resources in deep space (the "Elephants") and sweep the whole
>thing under the rug.
>
>-rabjab

The position of the "elephants" (I assume you mean the species of the "space
jockey" from the first movie) is explained in one of the Dark Horse comics --
they use the Aliens as terraforming (well, their-planet-forming) tools, and
Earth was on their "to do" list...

We know for certain that the Aliens weren't created by humans, since the
Predators have been hunting them since at least the present day and
presumably earlier (the skull in P2).

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From: S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: Re: Jurassic Park - DNA in blood?
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:23:29 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Jurassic Park - DNA in blood?
Date: 4 Jan 93 01:57:04 GMT
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

>In article <724820727snx@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au>, cam@syzygy.DIALix.oz.au
>(Cameron Newham) writes:
>
>> Apart from that, the idea behind JP is certainly valid - rather scary too.
>
>Ug, I'm tired of hearing this...no the science behind Jurassic Park is
>NOT valid.  Genetics is not something that is "rather scary".  There is
>no possible way most of the things they do in JP could be done with today's
>technology, and there are many sections that are physically impossible
>all together with *any* possible technology.
>
>A few examples: Most of any dinosaur genome would not be preserved.
>Even if you had most, you cannot "fill in" the rest.
This was explained in the book with the rationalization that since
90%+ of DNA is idetical that the remainder was filled in with frog
DNA, i.e. the reason that the dinosaurs were changing sex.
This is quite reasonable, and as the genecist said, most of the projects
were not viable.

>They never could have sequenced that much, that fast,
>  especially on a small island off the coast of Costa Rico.
Again, this was explained as the importation of a multi-Cray system
and Hood gene sequencers.  Stipulated, that even with this equipment
it would not be possible to breed the critters, Critiondid set it up
as being "possibly" the largest genetic facility in the world.

>Most scientists agree the smartest dinosaur was about
>  as bright as a chicken, not a chimpanzee.
Most scientists of their day also believed in Piltdown man.  Doesn't
mean squat, and the guy that the main character is based on (who was
recently on Leno and had a short series on PBS) maintains his belief
that dinosaurs are more intellegent than dogs, at least equal to
horses, and possibly as much as chimps.

I have to agree, however, that the writing, plot, and character developement
of the novel leave something to be desired.  However, it could make a very
good movies, if Spielburg will keep control of his "creativeness" and
stick to the story.

                                       -=Road Warrior=-
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