HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: an5769@anon.penet.fi (Kaleidoscope)
Subject: Re: Are there IQ tests available by FTP?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: rec.org.mensa
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:58:53 GMT


In article 1jnrpgINNktv@overload.lbl.gov, herzog@ux5.lbl.gov (Hanan Herzog) writes:
> Are there any IQ tests available on the net by anonymous FTP? 

Archie (telnet archie.rutgers.edu (128.6.18.15), login as archie, help for
info) reports iqtest.zip for Microsoft Windows 3 (multichoice, 30min limit)
e.g. ftp.cica.indiana.edu(129.79.20.84):/pub/pc/win3/misc/iqtest.zip.

Shouldn't this be in the FAQ?
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From: shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Date: 25 JAN 93 10:48:04 EST


In article <1993Jan23.023340.17315@ttinews.tti.com>, hollombe@polymath.tti.com
(The Polymath) writes...

>I hate amateur psychologists.  (Nothing personal.  I hate all of them).

Welcome to the club. 8-)

>There's a very important difference between your last statement and the
>one I originally responded to.  Yes, I had a _reason_ for joining _that_
>group, _not_ a need or desire to belong to _a_ group.  I hope the
>distinction isn't lost on you.

I accept and acknowldge the distinction. I guess we got hung up on semantics. I
was referring to groups in general, with a specific towards Mensa in general,
and you were referring to a group in particular, not Mensa in general. 

Sheesh. Who was it who said something to the effect that we're all separated by
a common language? 8-)

Regards,
Steve.

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From: jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:36:05 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

chenowet@rd1632.Dayton.NCR.COM (Steve Chenoweth) writes:

>Have you Mensans considered that this newsgroup itself could be an
>important means to attract members?  Or that it will have a reverse
>effect if this is ignored?  Readers often end up being quite selective
>about which groups they spend time on.  From what I hear, their
>preferences are based a lot on "signal to noise ratio" in a newsgroup.

>If you'd like to use the newsgroup as an attracter, periodic self-examinations
>along these lines could be enlightening.


I'm more interested in getting this newsgroup to be more like Compu$erve's
"Inside Mensa" forum.  Let's use this to discuss what's going on in the
group nationally, etc. with all the politicking and such.

(I personally ignore almost all the posts dealing with IQ, IQ tests and the
likes because after a while, I just don't care.   What's more fun for me is to discuss what going on in Mensa as a social organization.)

Trying to make this a recruiting tool won't work.  People are going to post
what they post anyway.  Instead, let's have some fun and liven up this newsgroup!

-John

 ==========================================================================
       John Cooley              Zappa as a waste management engineer: 
                                  "Hey, there, Brother!  Whatcha
    jcooley@miracle.com            doing with that Cosmic Debris?"
From: apb@world.std.com (Al Beecy)
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:04:09 GMT

In article <727678891.AA00000@blkcat.UUCP> Linda.Cunningham@p811.f70.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Linda Cunningham) writes:

>My experiences with Mensa in the past were not ones I'd prefer to repeat, and 
>
>I won't even mention my experiences with Intertel, as people may be eating food
>as they read this.  :-(

Gee, Linda, sounds like you can't get along with anyone.



From: Dave.Aronson@p11.f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: The origin of `Mensa'.  A typo?
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 12:17:38 -0500

crawford@boole.mitre.org (Randy Crawford) writes:

 RC> It's been said many times that `mensa' is latin for table and alludes to 
 RC> round table discussions as exemplifying the conversational nature of 
 RC> bright people.  Or something vague like that.

 RC> Does this make sense to you?

Considered in the broader context of Mensa's history and the nature of its
members, yes it makes sense.  From the Fidonet Mensa Echo's "Standard Electronic
Blurb":

       "Mensa" is Latin for "table".  We are a round-table society that
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^
  makes no distinctions as to race, color, creed, national origin, age, or
  economic, educational, or social status.  Only intelligence matters.

  (The original "round-table meetings of the minds" were monthly.  Thus,
  this is a Latin triple-pun, since the Latin words for "mind" and "month"
  are "mens" and "menses", which sound similar to "mensa".  Such wordplay
  is typical of Mensa humor, but don't worry, Latin is NOT required!)

Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: ecsd@well.sf.ca.us (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Blasphemy?
Organization: The Great BEAST 666
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 12:47:06 GMT

ajr@holly.massima.com (Arnold J Rimmer) writes (re Tai ad nauseum):
>
>Good point.
>
>And speaking of which, without Scott Tai, or any of his/her/neuter aliases and
>identities, the traffic in this group would fall off tremendously.  I
>have been following r.o.m since day 1.  And according to my calculations,
>flamatory postings cross-referenced to message id's containing, Tai, NCSU,
>and other aliases associated to Tai versus non-flamatory posts is tremendous.
>That doesn't even begin to factor in all legimate gripes ands flames from
>actual existing netters.  Not all of the flames on this group were started
>completely by the Tai-Juggernaut.  In fact, I am going to research all the
>available posts and come up with ratios and results comparing flamage to
>actual Mensa group information just to see what the results would be.  I will
>post my findings later on in the week.  Until then...
>
>
>						Signing off,
>
>						Arnold J Rimmer, III
>						'The J stands Just back off man'

Oops. Mommy will get me now.

YEAH. Well.
I'm going to write to MY angel;
and I'm going to get him to go up to EVERY ONE of you BAD SINNERS;
and have your NEURONS SUCKED OUT and TOPOLOGICALLY SORTED according to an
   ARBITRARY CRITERION [METRIC - ed.];
and put back in your head;
and you just see
how far you get
when you try to figure out
who the hell you are
when I dump you in front of
a dingy hotel
in downtown Oakland
at 10PM at night
with exactly one change of clothes
besides what you're wearing.
And a bottle of Cheap-Ass Vodka
That you already had half of.
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From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 17:51:04 GMT

In article 17114@cbnewse.cb.att.com, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>In article <mike_steiner-190193142329@192.35.50.131> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
>
>[....]
>>
>>+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
>>|                         Boycott Colorado                            |
>>|     These are my opinions, and not necessarily any one else's.      |
>>+---------------------------------------------------------------------+
>
>
>Your .sig brings up an interesting notion.  I understand the sentiment,
>but isn't this recommending an action that would make the businesses
>suffer rather than the legislators?  I understand that it may have an
>indirect effect, but couldn't many innocent people suffer when their
>legislators could be told directly?  I'm curious as to the various
>opinions regarding this.

I'm not totally up on all of the details of the issue, but I believe that
the general population of Colorado voted for Amendment 2.  The legislators
did little to oppose it, in contrast to Oregon, where virtually all of the
politicians opposed an anti-gay initiative.

A court has issued a TRO prohibiting enforcement of Amendment 2, pending
a trial on the facts.  The judge's statement is that Amendment 2 appears to 
condone and support unconstitutional discriminatory behavior by violating
the equal protection clause of the Constitution.

As for getting a message to legislators, what better way is there to get
their attention than getting the attention of their constituents?   Politicians
are well (and rightly) noted for ignoring the comments of people who are not
their constituents, so how should I, a Californian, tell them directly?  And what
better way of getting the constituents attention than by taking economic
action which is clearly and directly related to their passage of Am. 2?
Similar action was effective with Arizona.

So, when you fly, and your travel agent books you thru Denver Stapleton
Airport, let them know that you want a different route.  And make sure that 
they let the airline know.


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Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Budget cuts
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:27:59 GMT
Followup-To: rec.org.mensa

In article <wanagin.037e@kingkong.escape.de>, wanagin@kingkong.escape.de
(Ulf Bahrenfuss) wrote:
> 
> In article <C12Kqt.K5y@world.std.com> apb@world.std.com (Al Beecy) writes:
> >With all the squawking about the dues increase -- and very few
> >concrete suggestions on where to cut -- I figured it was about
> >time to start looking for places where money can be saved. Here's
> >my list of stuff that can save money. Let's see yours.
> >
> >10) Reduce the 7 national reps to 1 who casts seven votes
> 
> This is *not* allowed by the international constitution. Maximum is 3 votes
> per Rep. You will need 3 NatReps


Or change the constitution.  I'm not saying that Al's suggestion is a good
one, but that it can be implimented.  Just as when the US Supreme Court had
ruled an income tax to be unconstitutional, we ammended the Constitution to
permit such a tax (I'm not saying that that was a good thing either, BTW.)

> >14) Stop paying to send national editors and AMC members to IGs
> 
> It is thier job to be there, so you must pay them.

No, it is their job to go to IBD meetings; they don't have to go to
international gatherings.

> >15) Stop paying to send national editors & staff to AGs
> 
> Same as 14.

Again, they don't have to go to gatherings.  The editor doesn't have to go
to meetings either, for that matter.  The staff doesn't have to go to
meetings either.  If an AMC meeting needs information from the staff or the
editor, the AMC can request the information in advance and receive it in
writing.  If they need interactive feedback, they can use long-distance
telephony with a speaker phone at the meeting, so all AMC members can hear.

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|     These are my opinions, and not necessarily any one else's.      |
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From: shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Date: 25 Jan 93 15:27:52 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.


In article <22Jan93005805@miracle.com>, jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
writes...

> Steve, I wish to cordially invite you to attend our next ExCom meeting
> this next Wednesday to volunteer to become the Loss Prevention Officer
> of Boston Mensa. 

Oh, now you're cordial?

John, you strike me as being insincere and two faced. You want to be able to
abuse, insult and berate people and expect them to come back for more and do
things for you.

Sorry, find yourself another whipping boy.

This whole thread started with me saying how I didn't have time to participate
in Mensa events, and that I felt that $45 for a couple newsletters wasn't
really worth the cost.

I was completely up front about this. I made no bones about it.

I was (and am) always glad to offer my opinion, but at this point in my life,
we just don't have the time for it. As I have said before, when the kids are a
bit more grown and we have more disposable time, we will probably become as
active as we used to be, but for now, I WILL NOT PARTICIPATE.

Now, if you're the kind of person I think you are, and only seem to hear and
read what you want to hear and read, then I'll bet you're going to say
something to the effect that all I am willing to do is criticize and not do
anything about it and write everything off as a waste of time. Well, so be it.
But again, the whole basis for having started this thread was that I didn't
have the time to participate, and I felt that the dues were not worth what I
got in return. Now I've said it twice. Do I need to say it again?

Regards,
Steve.

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From: jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:33:18 GMT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
>In article <C12DEq.5uv@world.std.com>, apb@world.std.com (Al Beecy) wrote:
>
>> John Cumming (Second Vice Chairman) summed up what appears to be
>> National's view when he said on CIS that the Bulletin needs to be the type
>> of publication that can be thrown on tables in doctor's offices to help
>> recruit new members. They don't seem to want it full of nasty internal
>> politics. 
>
>Yup, he did write that, and some of us (Cindy Moog and I, among others)
>disagreed.  I believe that the Bulletin should be primarily for the
>members, and not necessarily be a recruitment aid.  (Don't take me wrong on
>this; I don't think that it should be a "brown wrapper" publication
>either.)      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


You mean the Bulletin should have shied away from those SHOCKING covers
they had recently?  ( The woman in white clothes sitting on a tree stump
holding a rose in the snow and the woman playing the obviously phallic
symbol flute on another cover comes to mind...)

(I personally thought these were very tame.  But it was a lot of fun to
see the prudes come out of the woodwork on these two covers in the letters
section of the Bulletin!)

-John


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       John Cooley              Zappa as a waste management engineer: 
                                  "Hey, there, Brother!  Whatcha
    jcooley@miracle.com            doing with that Cosmic Debris?"  
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From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: The origin of `Mensa'.  A typo?
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:17:10 GMT

In article 2035@linus.mitre.org, crawford@boole.mitre.org (Randy Crawford) writes:
>
>It's been said many times that `mensa' is latin for table and alludes to 
>round table discussions as exemplifying the conversational nature of 
>bright people.  Or something vague like that.
>
>Does this make sense to you?  I've always been doubtful.  Why should a
>bunch of bright people choose to name their organization after furniture?

I believe that Mensa comes from the idea of an Intellectual Round Table,
whence comes the table.  Somewhat like King Arthur naming his followers 
Knights of the Round Table.

I'm sure that the pun with latin 'mens' was not lost on the founders either.

---
Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141

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From: hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath)
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Organization: The Cat Factory
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 02:04:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.155227.7260@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:

}... If we only
}want to break even, cut the glossy covers and such and publish
}at the level of the local pubs.  To me, information is what counts. ...

I agree.  It would also be nice if the Bulletin were printed on recycled
and recyclable paper.

The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe, M.A., CDP, aka: hollombe@polymath.tti.com)
Head Robot Wrangler at Citicorp                "If you can't stand solitude,
3100 Ocean Park Blvd.   (310) 450-9111, x2483  perhaps others find you boring
Santa Monica, CA  90405                        as well."  -- Mark Twain
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From: jones@sj.ate.slb.com (Clark Jones)
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Organization: Schlumberger ATE, San Jose
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 21:50:00 GMT

John Cooley (jcooley@miracle.com) wrote:
: 
: The great Margot (who really did do a lot for Mensa) is gone, so we should
: seriously be thinking of saving Mensa bucks by moving headquarters out of
: New York City.  (Each time I hear that mentioned to AMC bigwigs, they squak
: that we have a long lease with the Landlord and we can't break it.  Plus
: they say it'll cost too much to move people out to Peroria and many of them
: don't want to go!  -- Breaking leases is easy, that's what lawyers are for.
: Moving the clerks out may not be the right way to think about this.  How about
: letting the clerks go in NYC and hiring new ones in Peroria?)
: 
I trust that (a) "Peroria" is a typo and that (b) you're referring to Peoria,
Arizona (a suburb of Phoenix)!  ;-)  ;-)  ;-)

--
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because they are NOT covered by the patent agreement!

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From: scott@nord.tostit.ca (Scott Andrew Tai)
Subject: t: t: Blasphemy?
Reply-To: scott@nord.tostit.ca (Scott Andrew Tai)
Organization: Tostit Northern Associates, Calgary, AB
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:23:30 GMT


moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) writes:
> Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
>
> >Path: world!uunet!gatech!concert!rock!taco!samsara!gital.org!
> static!xavier!mainz!nord.tostit.ca!radler
>                                    ^^^^^^
> >From: scott@nord.tostit.ca (Scott A Tai)
> 
> You're slipping, "Scott"...

Heh.  I *usually* pay no attention to those posting from
lowly "public access" accounts -- the sole criterion for 
membership into my little "group" being a *non*-public 
access account -- dunno, I just don't like *talking* to
people with *those* accounts -- what's wrong with *that*?
but I shall *dare* to *speak* to one *not* of my own 
class -- I mean, oh, geez, you're so damned *inferior* -- 
ooh, don't *finger* me -- well, come back when you have a 
*real* account -- if you know what I mean.  And you 
probably have not a clue.

Point is -- yes.  I am radler, or, maybe, radler is a 
separate existence in my body, if you like -- entering
like the hyperalertness that succeeds a vivid dream --
if you hadn't figured it out by now.  (Oh -- look 
Mommy -- they're at the same address -- maybe they know 
each other -- you think?  Sorry though -- am *not* 
Rimmer, Arnold J., as you would have me be.)  The 
hostname, and maybe even the subject lines *should* 
have given the game away -- apparently not -- none of 
the self-proclaimed MENSA genuises caught it.  No, I 
didn't think you would after all, you puzzlers, you.

and -- taco!taco!taco to you ... for your entertainment, 
edification, and reading pleasure.

--
Scott Andrew Tai && Robin Adler-Pope
Tostit Northern Associates
Artificial Intelligence Systems
From: jwp@chem.ucsd.edu (John Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:13:51 GMT
Organization: Chemistry Dept, UC San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: chedccf0.ucsd.edu

shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro) writes:
 > 
 > I think that Interloc be discontinued as a separate newsletter and added, in
 > its entirety, as a section to the bulletin....
 > And so what if it does get weighted towards politics. By having a separate
 > section, it can be isolated and those who are not interested can skip the
 > section.

Let me see if I understand this correctly.  We should take a newsletter that
currently goes only to people interested in it, and add it to the Bulletin so
that it goes to everybody who isn't interested in it, so that they don't have
to read it if they don't want to?  Did I get that right?  Interesting idea.

-- John Pierce, Chemistry, UC San Diego
   LocSec, San Diego Mensa
   jpierce@ucsd.edu
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From: cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA)
Subject: Re: IQ negatives
Originator: cjdcosta@zepplin.ece.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 09:25:09 GMT


matt@severian.chi.il.us (Matt Crawford) writes-
>Here's a bit of quadrivia*.  Imagine you are in a park in Wales and
>wish to heed a call of nature.  You see a building of obvious
>function, with two doors marked MERCHED and DYNION.  Perhaps you
>cleverly wait a few minutes to see if some locals will enter or
>emerge, but none do and you must choose.  Which door?
>

Uh, how about the dirtier one? 



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From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 05:41:34 GMT

In article 25740@ttinews.tti.com, hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
>In article <sfN2tei00XsH85Dm4c@andrew.cmu.edu> bluelobster+@CMU.EDU (David O Hunt) writes:
>}>}... If we only
>}>}want to break even, cut the glossy covers and such and publish
>}>}at the level of the local pubs.  To me, information is what counts. ...
>}>
>}>I agree.  It would also be nice if the Bulletin were printed on recycled
>}>and recyclable paper.
>}
>}Actually, I believe it is already!
>
>Glossy paper is not recyclable.

I take all of my old magazines and catalogs, printed on glossy paper, to the
local recycling center.  There is a large dumpster with just glossy paper.


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