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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:20:06 -0400 
From: "David M. Pahnos" <dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Kryptonian Powers (LONG)
	<1992Jul30.195019.6852@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

 some suggestions with my theories (muchly appreciated too):

dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)

One, the Daxamite lead 
vulnerability may simply be due to a total lack of ability by their body to 
remove lead and a high sensitivity to it.  A cost of their high vitality is 
that toxins are circulated much more quickly through the system, and if they 
can't be removed they cause lots of damage.  The anti-lead serum probably 
stimulates the immune system to recognize lead as an invader and remove it, 
whereas the permanent cures probably involve symbiotic relationships with 
bacteria/cells that can remove lead. 

@Easily added on, and I agree with you as that being a possible theory. 
Perhaps the "sucking" of energy by the Daxamites and Kryptonians makes
that lead particulate also get into the system faster.

Two, how in Kolker's name does a race AS 
A WHOLE evolve a capability that is useless in their own environment? 

@For the same reason that we still have an appendix.  Why we still grow
hair own our backs, etc.  We have a helluva lot of evolutionary quirks
that don't make sense.  Daxam itself may have been a colony of a race
(the Maltusians perhaps) that DID have those powers, but lost them as
generations progressed.

The powers don't work on Daxam, so they don't enhance survival, so
posessors of the gene are no more likely to survive than any others.  

@not all genes follow the "if it is bad for you it will be bred out of
the gene pool" model.  In fact, less than .1% of our genes do that.  All
of the others are the same from human to human to human, or we would not
be able to breed (interestingly enough, only .5% difference exists
between us and chimpanzees) .  The genes that Daxamites and Kryptonians
have to possess these powers must be so necessary for them to breed and
exist (like I said, they must get some kind of solar radiation to live
at all, not just to get powers).  Intelligence was just a side effect of
our survival, not the cause of it, in the case of humans



michael j pastor iii
guest on davids account
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH #33
Date: 29 Jul 1992 20:56:33 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx

In article <1992Jul29.152418.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Jor-Elmo) writes:
>	In fact, there's a trend in the LSH.  The Dominators are morons.  Bion
>was a moron.  The Khunds are morons.  Earthgov is a pack of morons.  Roxxas was
>a moron.  Glorith is a moron.

	Don't forget RJ Brande is a moron. ("Hi son, I'm going to blab this 
big secret in a bar where any doofus with super-hearing or a simple
parabolic mike can eavesdrop.")  The Legion is a moron, ("All this horrible
stuff's happening on Earth, let's have a party and invite all our old 
friends.  No let's not even ask if they want to re-join.")  
Cham is a moron, ("I've put off finding my father for 7 years, I think 
I'll go look for him in the during a War, when I'm needed, not when I 
was cooling my antenae a year ago.")  The clones are morons, ("Hey,
let's run away and not join up with the Legion, the group we think 
we belong to.")


>	Of course, this can always be traced to the fact that Keith & Tom &
>Mary & Michael are all morons.

	Nah, not morons, they just can't plot for sh*t.  The characterization,
IMHO (flames in email) is spot on.  The big problem, IMHO, is the pacing.
If they spilt the title, so that 1/2 the issue was plot advancing, and the
other half was the character studies they like, then it'd be better.
	What they need is an editor.
-- 
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"I've _got_ to start listening to those quiet, nagging doubts." - Calvin
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hulk #397
Date: 25 Jul 1992 20:26:15 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx


SPOILERS

In article <+fjmpmg.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>stronghold is, among things, a major communications nexus:  I'm sure that
>if the Leader wanted to talk to Agamemnon, a phone call would have
>sufficed.

	Yeah, well, Aggy's secretary has standing orders to screen calls
from super-villains.  ;-)

>Voodoo science:  Lead blocks x-rays, therefore an x-ray-emitting villain
>is vulnerable to lead weapons.  

	Stuck though his head, sure.  Comic book physics.  

>It was nice to see Rick Jones benefit from a mother's care...

	That's not very damn funny.  Poor fella.  I hope she isn't his 
real mom.  
	What is it with you Peter?  This has been a bad year or two for Rick.
He gets:
	1> attempted brainwashing by Skrulls
	2> his apartment destroyed by Bruce's breakdown
	3> kidnapped by the Mole Man
	4> possessed by Namor
	5> a case of the guilts for killing (in cold blood) Sad-, ahem
Farnoq Dahn.
	6> his mom comes back
	7> but his mom is Buffalo Betty (kinda makes the Hannibal the 
Cannibal joke a little scarier, don't it?)  And that's not counting
what she's gonna do next.
	
	Methinks Doc Samson's got a new patient.
-- 
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"Hmmmm, this sounds like *another* job for Stupendous Man!" - Calvin
From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH #33
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:17:25 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <sfjmkxh.dani@netcom.com>, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
> This wasn't a very good issue.

        Well jeez, don't hold back.  Tell us how you feel... :-)

  Finally "The Terra Mosaic" builds up
> some momentum...and it's again stopped cold, this time to give us 
> another episode of "How in the world did Reep ever get to be the head
> of the Espionage Squad?"

        No kidding!  What the hell are T&M B. doing with Reep?  How can they
expect us to seriously buy that Reep was this hotshot secret spy type guy (I
like the way that sounds "spy-type-guy", yeah) with a ridiculous scene like the
one portrayed in the bar?  It's obvious Reep didn't write the thirtieth century 
version of _How To Win Friends And Influence People_.        
> 
> The 'Legionnaires' section of the comic was better, largely because
> it was about characters who are part of the continuing story.  Excellent
> bit of dialogue at the bottom of page 22, making it clear that the young
> Garth is no Protean.  And we are introduced, quickly and unsubtly, to
> the *new* Legionnaires.  (Was Imra reading Danielle's mind, or did she
> just assumed that anyone named Foccart must naturally be related to Jacques?
> It's not as though Danielle was born yet at the time of Imra's last memories.)
> 

        Too bad all that happened on the last two pages...

        What did you think of David A. Williams's artwork?  My vote is to have
this guy take over permanently.  It's past time to show Pearson the door.


        S H Y L O C K
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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Location of DC Cities
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:09:38 GMT

For more info about the location of DC fictional cities, see the Welcome 
to r.a.c.* posts which should go out later today.

"Metropolis is New York City by day, Gotham City is New York City at night."
  --Frank Miller
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From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Annotation 22 *Extensive Revisions*
Date: 21 Jul 1992 06:45:55 GMT
Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club
Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
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Originator: goldfarb@hailstorm.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Jul17.183604.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Tales of the Elmoworld) writes:
)                         The Annotated Sandman
)
)                       Season of Mists Chapter 1
)
)Page 1 panel 1: ...
)	Note the columns belching forth smoke and flame, resembling mills and
)factories.  An anti-industrial symbol?

	Do I detect a reference to William Blake's "dark Satanic mills"?

-- 
   David Goldfarb          |"I'm going to die if you touch me one more time.
goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu  |Well, I guess that I'm going to die no matter what."
goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET     |          -- They Might Be Giants
From: davidm@consilium.com (David S. Masterson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Kryptonian Powers
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:43:47 GMT
Organization: Consilium Inc., Mountain View, California
In-reply-to: tnrogers@mtu.edu's message of 29 Jul 92 00:21:42 GMT
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>>>>> On 29 Jul 92 00:21:42 GMT, tnrogers@mtu.edu (Rogers) said:

> WANTED: a good, solid physics-based explanation of Kryptonian and Daxamite
>         abilities.  How does yellow sun radiation charge 'em up?
>         Are they photoelectric?  Do/did they originally draw energy from
>         a red sun environment?

Would you believe ... "photosynthesis"?

No, well, how 'bout, "magik"?

...

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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: LSH #33
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 05:48:49 GMT

In article <qblm8tq.dani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>>Except that if this is the original Lightning Lad's personality,
>>how is it that he has Proty/Garth's memories from between the 
>>"resurrection" and the Universo story? 
>It depends on how you believe that memory and personality interact.
>If personality is the filter through which memories are viewed,
>organized, and rationalized, then it's reasonable for Garth to
>remember the *events* of those years, but to remember them as
>happening to *him*.  This could result in a very different subjective
>picture of those years.  (When we remember an incident with embarrassment,
>to what extent are we remembering the embarrassment, and to what
>extent are we being embarrassed all over again?)
>Further corroboration:  I was talking to Tom Bierbaum, and complaining 
>about this very inconsistency.  He admitted that there was a problem, 
>but insisted that Live Wire was purely Garth.  So I suggested the above 
>explanation and he said (approximately) "Uh, yeah, that would explain it, 
>right."  So there, you see, that proves it!

IMHO, not a good idea.

It's a _mistake_.  You can try to explain it away, and even come up with
something that sort of makes sense, but in the end it's still a mistake, and
you haven't _really_ solved all the _other_ problems that arise from the
mistake.  For instance:
-- _Why_ does the clone have Lightning Lad's personality?  Cloning, as we've
been shown, copies the personality that's in the body.  You've explained how
current stories fit with Live Wire == Garth; now explain why.
-- Are we going to be shown the clone Garth acting _different_ from the way
Garth has acted since the early Adventure era?  If the past 15 years of stories
with Garth were really Proty, the "Garth" personality we are used to seeing is
not really Garth's personality at all.  (If the writers of the clones' series
write badly enough, of course, they might give the clone Garth the wrong per-
sonality, but they'd then probably give _everyone_ the wrong personality....)
-- Not to mention all the other problems that also came from the Garth-is-
Proty idea (why don't the Luck Lords, Darkseid, etc. know) that you still
haven't fixed.

I can think of fixes for these mistakes (no need to post "well, maybe Proty
tried to pretend he was Garth so well that he ended up doing exactly the same
things Garth did, so we can expect the real Garth to act exactly the same").
You can _always_ think of fixes for this sort of mistake, but at some point
the fixes to fixes to fixes to...  get worse than the original problem.  The
proper way to fix it is to not make Garth Proty in the first place.

[PS: Yes, Vernon, clip this and put in the LSH digest if you wish...]
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From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
Subject: Re: The Heckler
Reply-To: mss2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 20:55:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.154348.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Citizen Elmo) writes:
>	I'm a big fan of Ambush Bug, so I would normally have bought the
>Heckler.  However, I'm boycotting it because the same team is responsible for
>IMHO axe-murdering the Legion.
>	Well, it matters to me....

Well, I've been waiting to read review of it before making a decision,
but if I get the impression it's good, I probably will pick it up.
You see, I would _much_ rather have the Bierbaums working on new
characters without histories to play with.  They're competent at
dialogue (except for indicating who's speaking), and probably
well-suited to a more humorous book where long-term plotting and
rational tactics aren't of primary importance.  (I rather liked the
Tenzil Kem issues of LSH, though it helped when I decided not to consider
them to be linked to the main plotline-- this was when I was still
buying the book, of course.)  If they have a success with the Heckler
or some such, they can, perhaps, be seduced away from the Legion
universe... though I'm not sure that the latter can be salvaged at
this point short of retconning issue #5.

Mike
-- 
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mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu	 -- Karl Marx (1990) as imagined by
mss2@usite-next.uchicago.edu     Jim Koncz (konc@midway.uchicago.edu)
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Amazing Heroes - THE END.
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:22:39 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Jul25.023205.1@vaxb.acs.unt.edu> ia92@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:

+>Well, Amazing Heroes #203/204 is finally out.  The very last issue.  

+>*sniff* Amazing Heroes, sorry to see you go.  AH was one of the better
+>  newszines out there.

	The sad reality seems to be that people are not all that interested
in a publication like AH.  What most of the available readers want is
a combination price guide and preview listing.

	I take that as a sign that the comics market isn't very healthy in
that many people are more intrested in collecting/trading than in reading.  



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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Robots in Comicdom
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:04:05 GMT

9) Robots don't age, so after they have become big money-makers and run for 30 
years you don't have to retcon their origin just so they'll still be young 
enough to fight.

10) Robots can be very easily updated with new powers when needed, without 
overuse of "Radiation Accidents" (to use the Champions term).  Power Suits are 
also good in this respect, look at Iron Man.

11) Robotic heroes are great for irony (pun not intended), by being more 
"human" that their organic opponents (BIIIIG theme in Machine Man, both the LS 
and the original run).

12) Face it, the "Pinocchio Syndrome" is a classic plot device, and is easier 
to use with robots than mutants.

13) Due to several of the heretofore enumerated advantages, robots can engage 
in rather odd/surreal tactics.  Using their own body to complete a circuit 
(Machine Man LS #1), or intentionally getting "killed" so as to set the bad guy
up for an attack from one of the robot's other bodies (NoMan from 
T.H.U.N.D.E.R.).

     Dave Van Domelen, "If I only had a CPU...."
From: gls@windmill.att.com (Colonel Sicherman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Annotation 30 Revision
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:34:43 GMT
Organization: Save the Dodoes Foundation

In <0095DE71.8803AA20.4686@physics.rice.edu>, morrow@physics.rice.edu writes:
> 
> Page 7 panel 3:  We have seen the Gates of Horn and Ivory in _Sandman_ #2, et
> al., where they were described as Augustus gives here.  They may be seen in
> Virgil's Aeneid Book 6.

Did anybody mention that horn and ivory are puns on Greek words for
truth and deceit?  Vergil knew his Greek culture, all right.

-:-
	FIXER:	That makes a total of 2,137 black eyes for Jeff.

				--Elmer Rice, _The Adding Machine_
-- 
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From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat)
Subject: Re: Doom Patrol FF send-up
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 20:43:45 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.192327.10934@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>The DP FF spoof was in issue #53, I believe, or #54.  

#53.

>          Cliff = Thing
>          Negative Man = Torch
>          Crazy Jane = Sue Storm

That was Elastigirl, not Jane.

>          Chief = Reed

Speaking of DP issue numbers, the reappearance of Rhea "Lodestone" 
Jones was in a couple of parts.  Her comatose body was kidnapped by
Red Jack in issue #22, and he took her off to his home to marry her.
When the DP rescued her, she briefly came out of her coma to stab
him (then she relapsed).

She came out of the coma permanently in #36; she was a main character
in the "Orthodoxy/Geomancers" story of #37 - #41.  She left for the
stars in #41.

----

"It's like a NET.  A burning net, all running with fire and it's IN me,
like I'm plugged into a big switchboard."  -Rhea Jones, #37

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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: PEOPLE: Neal Adams Checklist
Date: 30 Jul 92 06:03:36 GMT
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

First off, thanx for the response.  I simply forgot about the Twilight Zone,
I should have said "early big two" or something, because that's what I have
(major works is more than a bit biased, huh).  The late seventies/early
eighties falls in a period I wasn't collecting, although I've seen it, I
don't have the info on hand.  So, if someone can e-mail me the info, I'll
fix up the list and re-post, fixing it is one of the reasons it got posted
anyway.  By major works, I mean I didn't include giveaways like the mini
furnished with the Manbat record or the millions of cover-only, but I
definitely don't want to exclude Ms. Tree & Continuity stuff, hey I'll
even include Archie.  Incidentally, I'd shoot Lassie or fish for Flipper
for a copy of the "Art of Neal Adams".

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
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       brainless!"
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From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Re: Green Lantern Stuff
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:24:23 GMT

In article <154qj5INNhb6@agate.berkeley.edu> katie@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Katie Schwarz) writes:
>What exactly does Goldface know -- just Hal's name? In Green Lantern 28
>he encounters Hal in street clothes, and has no clue who he is. (I know

Goldface at least used to know who Hal was, and while I'm not sure that he ever
actually met GL as Hal, but he knew enough and was of the style to do some
research and get pictures of Hal. It's as much a continuity lapse as Jones'
apparently forgetting that the rings have a built-in feature to keep 
ring-bearers from serious harm (modulo yellow of course) given Hal's worry
about falling last issue and Ch'P getting hit by that non-yellow bumper.
And yes, it works even when the ring has run out of charge...unless Hal 
consciously overrides it and makes use of that special reserve of power which
he managed to do once.

"There are a great many people in the country today who, through no fault of
their own, are sane." --Monty Python's Flying Circus
tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
From: mdturner@riker.acs.calpoly.edu (M Turner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Just wondering...
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:33:59 GMT
Reply-To: mdturner@riker.acs.calpoly.edu
Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo

sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes
> OK, I got a question here:
> 
> If Superman fought Dr Manhattan (the blue guy in Watchmen),
> Who would win?
> 
> I imagine Manhattan would kick his ass.

yes i agree
From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Heckler
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:09:41 GMT
Reply-To: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host)
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC


> Article <1992Jul26.154348.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Citizen Elmo)


> 	I'm a big fan of Ambush Bug, so I would normally have bought the
> Heckler.  However, I'm boycotting it because the same team is responsible for
> IMHO axe-murdering the Legion.
> 	Well, it matters to me....

It all depends on what you consider important - a
series which came back from the dead several times
and inspired hundreds of clubs or a one shot
which will be in the 4/$1 bins a month after has
ended publication.

Yes I know this is a retorical question...
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Crisis on Infinite Earths, 6 years later
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 20:56:31 GMT

In article <mumble> twhite@mozart.amd.com (Tom White) writes:
>In article <grumble> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:

>>I wasn't saying that Blue Devil ever was in a League book, but that
>>The History of the DC Universe had a team shot of the new League and I
>>seem to remember Blue Devil being pictured in it.  Obviously a
>>decision was made after HotDCU to not include BD in the JL* (if I'm
>>even remembering things correctly).
>
>   I checked my copy.  Blue Devil gets a one-panel head shot, listing
>   him as an independent.  Not in any way listed as being affiliated
>   with JL*.

Saves me the trouble of digging up my own copies and discovering how
unreliable my mind is becoming....

Maybe it was just wishful thinking on my part.  But at least Blue
Devil is finally making a comeback!  First he'll be showing up in
Eclipso then in Showcase '93 next year!


-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."