HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mary@lgc.com (Mary Peterson)
Subject: Re: Shannen--mega bitch from Hades
Keywords: Shannen, bitch, boo, hiss
Organization: LandMark Graphics Corporation
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:05:16 GMT

In article <Bz10q3.9yz@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, durrant@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (unknown) writes:
|> 
|> Actually, I just watched Heathers for about the 200th time--can Shannen play
|> anything but a bitch?  I'll admit, she was a good megabitch--you were rooting
|> for JD to slit her wrists at the end of it.
|> 
Yeh, it's a great flick. At least Shannen was supposed to play a bitch in it
instead of pretending to be cool and then really being a bitch.

Favorite line from Heathers:
Veronica: Heather why are you such a megabitch?
Heather:  Because I can be.
-suits Shannen to a T.
-- 
Mary
From: larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Re: How do we redeem Shannon?
Date: 14 Dec 1992 08:43:08 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences
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David Heath (dheath@alfred.carleton.ca) wrote:
> There seems to be a lot of anger out there directed towards Shannon
> Doherty / Brenda Walsh.


>             Is there ANYTHING that Ms. Doherty can do to redeem
> herself at this stage?

No.


>                                                                 What's
> the source of the problem?

It's no problem.  It's fun to hate.  That's American society right now.


>                             Is it the actress or the character?

No.


>                                                                  What 
> kind of changes in Brenda would be necessary for people to feel good 
> about her again?

People feel very good about her right now.  They hate her and it feels
good.


>               Is it her whole persona or just the little things that 
> she does?

No.


For whatever reasons, the power brokers at 90210 decided at some point
this year to make us love to hate Brenda Walsh.  So we do.  The
geniuses of yellow journalism know that most viewers don't distinguish
between the characters on a TV show and the actors that portray them -
hence a perfect opportunity to smear Shannen Doherty.  So they
capitalized.  That's America.

Personally, I think she thought that she could get away with not
playing the sycophant game at the studio, and now she's found out the
hard way that she can't.

I remember when we loved to hate Rosanne Barr (sp?) when she sang the
national anthem goofy.  I was appalled at the way she was treated for
that and the attitudes people had toward her.  I think she learned a
valuable lesson about how unfair the entertainment industry and the
media in general can be if you're not properly obsequious, and about
how the people in this country will believe and feel whatever they're
told to.


Larry
From: rreeves@acs.bu.edu (Robert Reeves)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: Soundtrack, in reality
Summary: Songs played on 9021zero
Keywords: List of songs used on the show, please!
Date: 16 Dec 92 00:08:35 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA


	Since the 9021zero soundtrack (IMHO) doesn't really reflect what is actually played on the shows, could somebody (or everybody) help me think of stuff that HAS been played on TV.  So far, all I remember is:
		Soho:		HippyChick  (Brenda moves out/Brandon's first..)

		REM		LosingMyReligion ("Dylan, we should break up..)

Anybody else have any favourites?  I'm thinking of putting my own compilation tape together.  I'd like to have the theme on CD, but am really not to keen on the other stuff.  Just one fanboy's musical taste.  I don't want to start a war about what is'nt or is 'good music.'

post here or email:  rreeves@bu.edu

::::::::::::::::::::::::::When will we see more of the 'Production Assistant' of Steve's.  Ooo La Lah!



Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210,yale.opie
From: warren-matthew@cs.yale.edu (Matthew S. 'Opie' Warren)
Subject: Re: Are you serious
Followup-To: alt.tv.bh90210
Keywords: reality philosophy 90210 opie
Organization: Mail Forwarding Department, Yale College
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:31:33 GMT

larryr@saturn.sdsu.edu (Larry Riedel) writes:
>Matthew S. 'Opie' Warren (warren-matthew@cs.yale.edu) wrote:
>> I would say that at least part of the appeal of the show lies in
>> its very unreality.
>
>I'm assuming that by reality we are talking about the subjective reality
>of human perception rather than a fixed absolute reality, since it's
>impossible to discuss that.

I guess.  Of course, some things are more real than others.  There's a New
Yorker cartoon about this (there's a New Yorker cartoon about EVERYTHING)
in which the family car is pulled over on the road, it is pouring rain,
and the father is changing a tire.  The kids are looking despondent and
annoyed in the back seat, and the father is saying to them, "This is
reality.  You can't change the channel."

>>                                         It's well-nigh impossible to
>> maintain willing suspension of disbelief in this kind of environment,
>> and the fact that we can't means that we can watch the show more
>> casually, and with less emotional damage, than we could otherwise.
>
>The existence of this type of attitude was used to vilify George
>Bush, who putatively did not accept the "reality" of the recession.  His
>perceived inability to empathize with the average American was a major
>contributing factor to his loss in this year's Presidential election.

Okay, sure.  But I'm not sure how that relates to willing suspension
of disbelief.

>So yes, if we can't empathize with something, we will perceive it as
>"unrealistic," and that gives us the freedom to have attitudes towards
>it that we wouldn't feel comfortable with if we could relate it to
>our reality.  Unfortunately, this attitude applies as much to
>non-fictional as to fictional reality (viz 90210).

I disagree.  There are plenty of people I with whom I don't empathize,
but I don't consider them any less real.  I wouldn't go around lopping
heads off people I thought were asses because I didn't think they were
real.

However, that's not what I meant to discuss in my original message.  I 
was more interested in the willing suspension of disbelief, a crucial
element of all theater and drama.  I think 90210 deliberately skates the
edge of willing suspension, so that we can look at the characters more
aloofly (uh, that's not a word) that we would if they were less, well,
unrealistic.

>Inability to empathize with the characters or the relationships on 90210
>does not make them "unreal."

Are you saying that Kelly is as real as my pile of clean laundry on
my bed over there?  If so, can you send her over here -- I'll have the
laundry folded and the bed cleared off by then...


Matt
-- 
Matthew S. "Opie" Warren     warren-matthew@yale.edu
"It wouldn't have been anything, even if it were gonna be a thing."
From: jms015@acad.drake.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: TP tapes offer followup
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:12:49 GMT
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA

Hello everyone it's Jeff Sass.

I am just following up my TP episodes post by checking to see if I replied
to everyone who emailed me.  If I haven't responded to you personally or if
you have any questions you have until this Thursday to email me.

I think I got everyone.

Thanks,
Jeff Sass
Drake University
Computer Science Department
JMS015@acad.drake.edu
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Twin Peaks Primer?
Date: 12 Dec 92 06:47:32 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

A month or two ago, our campus movie theater showed Fire Walk With Me.
It was a moderate success -- but what surprised me was the vast number of
non-Peaks-freaks who went to see it.  Many of the people in the audience
had never seen the show before... and even expressed an interest in seeing
the series afterwards.

So, as a result, I've been organizing a series of "Peaks Parties" on campus,
running through the series in order, with coffee and donuts and plenty of
discussions.

Next year, FWWM is coming out on video, and I'm thinking about trying to get
together a video screening.  However, to accommodate the new-fans who will
be wandering in for the first time (I hope I hope), I've come up with the
idea of assembling a "preview reel" to be run before the film, comprised of
important clips from the series.  A sort of Peaks Primer.

My question for the net is -- which scenes should I include?  I want to
stress the aspects of the series which the movie skipped over: the close-
knit nature of the town, and the fact that Laura seemed at first to be
sweet and innocent and an honor student.  Also the motivations behind BOB
and MIKE, including the "Fire Walk With Me" poem, the note written in blood,
and the letter under Laura's fingernail.  But what scenes specifically
should I edit in?  And the big question -- should I include the fact that
Leland was BOB's host, or should I leave that for them to discover?

BTW, if anyone's worried about the legality of this, technically it's for
a private showing, so no one would prosecute.  Some of my friends have done
performance art before which "sampled" Blue Velvet, and they've heard
nothing about it being a problem.

So, all you would-be theorists... what clips should I clip?

--Jon

Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: mcohen@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: jack(john) nance
Organization: Clark University
Date: 16 DEC 92 22:20:57 GMT

In a previous article, st923288@pip.cc.brandeis.edu wrote:
>I have a bone to pick with "On the Air", and for that matter, David Lynch.
>I'm happy to see that jack nance did not appear on the show, because it
>was partly OTA's fault that TP got canceled. According to Kyle, David
>Lynch stopped supervising the show, both on the set and with the network,
>and this led to a breakdown of the show's quality(hence the rather ludi-
>crous final episode- what the hell was that anyway? It didn't seem like 
>TP anymore), as well as allowing the networks to play musical time 
>slots, and therefore causing ratings to slip further and further into the
>"cancellation abyss". I'm really angry that Lynch was willing to sacrifice
>TP for OTA, and, as seen by OTA's cancellation, nobody was happy with the
>sacrifice.
>love,
>erika lindsay

Its rather obvious that Lynch's lack of participation in Twin Peaks had an 
adverse negative affect on the show.  Instead of it being handed off to one 
person, the show seemed to have the most musical writing/directing staff on 
TV.  The show stopped "being" Twin Peaks.  It lacked direction and real 
continuity, lost viewers, got the serious musical time slots, and was dead.

I didn't think Lynch would remain at the helm for long, so his leaving didn't 
surprise me.  He's a film director; I couldn't see him tying himself to a 
weekly series permenantly.  I just wish there was a better transition to 
someone who could keep the series going.  So I won't flame Lynch for "leaving" 
TP, but for not managing the whole event.  OTA was a little weird though...

I liked the final episode.  Yeah, it was weird, but it had the right "Twin 
Peaks feel" to it.  A much better going-out than one of the later regular 
episodes...

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: mbrockma@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Subject: Re: dick and plastic
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:49:06 GMT

In article <1gbqrfINNp78@agate.berkeley.edu> annie@garnet.berkeley.edu  (Anne Jessop) writes:
>
>
>Hi folks--
>Ian Buchanan also used to play a character on _General Hospital_

He was also a semi-regular on "It's Garry Shandling's Show"

He was a neighbor. I think he cried and danced alot.


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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:54:37 -0500 
From: "Michelle C. Giansante" <mg49+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: wanted:calendar


I remember last year someone mentioned that you could send away for a TP
calendar.  Does anyone know anything about this?

michelle
From: eric@npri6.npri.com (Eric Williams)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Ceiling Fans
Summary: a fan of these films
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:56:53 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

In article <1992Dec11.175324.19080@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood) writes:
> Also: ceiling fans are used as a symbol of death in Blade Runner.  Before
> someone gets killed, there is always a ceiling fan nearby.

See also ANGEL HEART. I think directors enjoy the motion of fans as
they imply a circle of fate, a change in fortune, plus they are
composed of blades (cutting allusion).

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                       "What's it going to be then, eh?"                        
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: boerncke@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Frank-Roland Boernke)
Subject: What letters under fingernails?
Organization: University of Passau, Germany
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 09:38:06 GMT

I know this has already been talked about, but I forgot the result:

What letters have been found under the fingernails of the murdered persons
(including the movie FWWM)? What has been said about possible meanings?

 
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: mfrazer@scott.skidmore.edu (The Wombat)
Subject: Re: What letters under fingernails?
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 01:55:27 GMT

	The letters were T for theresa banks, R for Laura, O for
Ronnette, B for Maddie.
It suggests a pattern, and as many have noticed, it seems that it
ended with theresa and began anew with Laura, odd since the It is
happening again bit occured with maddies death, hey, ya know, I never
thought of that before.
Now where's my 18oz Coffee Mug? Actually, I've decided to drink more
frequently and in smaller glasses, they seem to hold the heat better,
and since I occasionally get distracted from the coffee (I'm studying
you see) it gets cold, and after vibrating those H2O molecules a few
times in the microwave it just doesn't taste the same......

--

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    evil BOB and the worst thing he can do is squeeze a tube of toothpaste
                            out from the middle."
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: larryy@gallant.apple.com (Larry Yaeger)
Subject: Re: Who killed JR?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 03:05:12 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Dec14.191811.24886@alf.uib.no> yngvar@novaja.imr.no (Yngvar Foelling) writes:

>A bit into the series, Leland Palmer strangled Jacques Renault.  At the
>time, it seemed like he was taking revenge on the one he thought had
>killed Laura Palmer, but this was before we learned that he himself
>was the one.
>
>So my question is, did Leland or Bob do it?

and shortly thereafter, duboc00@DMI.USherb.CA (CHRISTIAN DUBOIS) answered:

>I think it was BOB beacause Dr. Jacoby smelled burned oil from his hospital
>bed, and that smell is associated with BOB taking over Leland if I'm not
>mistaken.

No.  If you remember, Dr. Jacoby, under hypnosis (when he actually
identified Leland as the murderer) stated that he had *actually*
smelled the burnt oil near the gazebo when he was attacked (hence
he was attacked by BOB), rather than in the hospital.  Presumably,then
Jacques Renault was killed by Leland, in retribution for his daughter's
death.  Of course Leland had a few screws loose by this time anyway,
arguably due to BOB's long-standing cohabitation and memory
manipulation.
-- 
-larryy@apple.com

"Shi Nou Kou Sho Inu Neko Programmer"  -  Takada Naoki
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: stvan@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Laurel Smith Stvan)
Subject: Re: Ceiling Fans
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 06:27:58 GMT

Laurel
stvan@casbah.acns.nwu.edu


Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: mcohen@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: FWWM Script addresses?
Organization: Clark University
Date: 16 DEC 92 02:32:32 GMT

In a previous article, filipi@cebaf9.cebaf.gov (Adrian Thomas Filipi-Martin) wrote:
>--
>Hi,
>	A few months ago someone posted an address and phone number for ordering 
>FWWM scripts. I just got aroung to trying is and it is dosconnected. (It
>was in 
>Cambridge, MA.)
> 
>	Does anyone know where I might be able to order the script?
> 
>Much thanks,
> 
>Adrian

Whoa, time trip.  I was the poster, and I haven't peeked in here in a couple 
months.  Something drew me here...

Anyway, the number I posted was 1/800-582-0085, for Pix Poster Cellar in 
Cambridge.  They had the script last I talked to them...in August.

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: rooney@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney)
Subject: Re: Ceiling Fans
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:39:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.175324.19080@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood) writes:
>Ever notice that the ceiling fan in Laura Palmers home goes counterclockwise
>instead of clockwise like normal ceiling fans do?
>

	I never knew there was a "normal" way for ceiling fans
to turn.  What you find out on the net... :-7

>Also: ceiling fans are used as a symbol of death in Blade Runner.  Before
>someone gets killed, there is always a ceiling fan nearby.
>

	Not always a ceiling fan -- and not in every case.  Fans
(usually industrial strength ones) just show up in Ridley Scott
films all the time, setting permitting.  When I asked him "Why fans?"
Scott replied:

	"They keep you cool."

Cordially,

Michael S. Rooney

Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: st923288@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: explanations
Reply-To: st923288@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:27:16 GMT

I am so sick and tired of having to explain to my friends "just what's so
terrific about Twin Peaks". Most of them have never seen the show, and 
I therefore don't see why they should be privy to the TP experience if they 
have no desire to learn. Twin Peaks was a very special experience, one that
cannot be equalled by shows such as "Northern Exposure", "Picket Fences", or
"Eerie, Indiana". Good shows they may be, but why must everyone compare
them to TP? by the way, none of you have come to visit me yet. Like I said,
I'm just down the road from margaret, and I have some lovely herb tea to 
scare away winter's chill. See you soon
Love,
erika lindsay
From: collier@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Mark Collier)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:33:17 GMT
Subject: Re: General responses to general questions
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks

In alt.tv.twin-peaks, pitchon@paradyne.com (Howard Pitchon) writes:

    The following statements do not necessarily reflect those of the
    poster or the company the posting is from; and only definitely
    represent the thoughts and feelings of Summer Storm.

    From Summer Storm:

    Re: Cost of FWWM: If indeed, the video will cost $80+, rent the
    video ($3 tops), rent a VCR ($10-$15), buy a blank cassette ($3-$5)
    and tape-to-tape it. This assumes that you have a VCR already. It's
    probably legal if you are not planning to make a profit by doing
    it. Some video stores will also perform this service for you for
    around $20.

Gee, I hope no one takes this "advice". It's not only illegal, it will
probably reduce the number of copies of FWWM that are sold and lend further
support to those in the television and movie industry who think Twin Peaks
has outlived its usefulness. There is probably no surer way to send the
signal to Hollywood that there shouldn't be another Twin Peaks movie and
that the second season episodes should never be released on tape.

If Twin Peaks is important and means something to you, support it with
your wallets and pocketbooks.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: duboc00@DMI.USherb.CA (CHRISTIAN DUBOIS)
Subject: Re: Who killed JR?
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. d'Informatique
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:53:54 GMT

I think it was BOB beacause Dr. Jacoby smelled burned oil from his hospital
bed, and that smell is associated with BOB taking over Leland if I'm not
mistaken.


Just a note: the Renault accent was very bad. No Quebecker (french speaking
Quebecker that is) would talk like that. Either they wouldn't have any
(or maybe a Canadian accent) or it would be much more prounounced. I know
that's unimportant, but I have nthing meaningful to add to the theories going
round.


						JETHRO
						T.P. fan from La bellProvince
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: mcohen@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: RE: Ceiling Fans
Organization: Clark University
Date: 11 DEC 92 22:21:38 GMT

In a previous article, drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood) wrote:
>Ever notice that the ceiling fan in Laura Palmers home goes counterclockwise
>instead of clockwise like normal ceiling fans do?
> 
>Also: ceiling fans are used as a symbol of death in Blade Runner.  Before
>someone gets killed, there is always a ceiling fan nearby.
> 
I don't think there's a standard direction for ceiling fans.  Actually, my fan 
is the "reversible" type.  When its cold I set it to send warm air back 
towards the ground, when its warm I have it suck the warm air away.  Or 
something like that.  Ok, I'll admit it, I can't really tell the difference.  
But it is reversible, no doubt about it.

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