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From: steveg@teal.csn.org (Darmok and Jelad at Tenagra)
Subject: Re: Cats on TV
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:52:59 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.231622.19961@ncar.ucar.edu> vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer) writes:
>
>Any other Trekkers out there who found it amusing that Data had to
>remove Spot from his keyboard not once but twice in this episode?  I
>guess cats in the future haven't learned any more about reverence for
>computers than cats in the present ... :-)

  Ahhh, to the contrary.  I take that as a sign that cats have become
computer literate :-)  That's certainly how my cats behave.



   STeve, Toska, Chunky, LC, Cloye, and LBC


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From: ssw5356@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: a friend gone
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:58:07 GMT
Reply-To: ssw5356@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1e1u0tINN3lq@natinst.com>, Thad_Engeling@quickmail.natinst.com (Thad Engeling) writes:>My mother called me this afternoon at work.
>This morning around 10AM our calico cat Princess was put to sleep.
>(sad obituary deleted)She touched my life as much as any person.            
>I loved her, and I will miss her.
>
>-Thad
>

Thad:  Please accept our condolences, Silvia and Stretch, Hair Bear, Pepe, and
Paws Williams
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ehp@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU ("Didi Pancake")
Subject: Re: Cats Under Beds
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:55:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.003337.5059@unislc.uucp> erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp) writes:
>Speaking of fur mousies, how many people have given their feline friends those
>damned things?  Every cat I've ever known goes absolutely NUTS over those fur
>mice!  I can't understand it - maybe it's the way they smell or something...

Right. I brought one home today...Bibs was on that thing like the
proverbial duck on a june-bug. Within 5 minutes flat she had whacked it
under the stove...sorry, but I am not into moving major appliances to
retrieve cat toys, so there it will stay.

I got the mousie in hopes that she would give up the ball-shaped wire
cage with a bell inside that she has taken to playing with and carrying
around in her mouth and jumping up on the bed with at 5:00 or so a.m.
*sigh*
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: tice@anapest.rtp.dg.com (Anne Tice)
Subject: Re: FUR MICE
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 18:25:27 GMT
Distribution: NA
Reply-To: tice@rtp.dg.com (Anne L. Tice)
Organization: Data General Corp, Research Triangle Park, NC 27709

In article <ronnie.5@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com>, ronnie@mailhub.scf.lmsc.lockheed.com (Ronnie Findley) writes:
>THIS IS MY FIRST POSTING TO THIS NEWSGROUP AND I'M SURE I'LL GET FLAMED, 
>
[rest of message deleted]

Dear Ronnie, there's no need to shout. 

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From: collene@unisql.UUCP (Collene Pearce)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cats that *don't* jump
Date: 17 Nov 92 15:50:20 GMT
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

>....
>Anyone else know cats that don't know how to jump?
> 

My Tamora doesn't jump very high either.   She will jump _down_ from 
about the height of the back of the couch or dining room table, but
she will only jump _up_ onto something less than 25inches or so.  I'm 
not sure that she _can't_ jump.  She may just think it isn't dignified
to jump that far.  ;-)

(Probably, she can't jump that far, as she is a persian and they are 
not as good as climbing as the slinky cat varieties.)

Tamora likes to lay on top of the stereo cabinet in my bedroom.  So, when 
I rearranged things, I had to make sure she had "stepping stones" to get 
to it.  I put one speaker next to the dresser and the dresser next to 
the stereo cabinet.  That way, none of the "hops" to her favorite place
is more than 20inches.  :-)


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From: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Neutering question
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:12:16 GMT
	<1992Nov16.194804.3493@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
	<1992Nov16.225510.28527@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov>
	<1992Nov19.222228.11444@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>
Reply-To: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
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In <1992Nov19.222228.11444@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>, Ruth Milner writes:
>What with all the flames and hyperbole this seemingly innocent posting has 
>generated, everyone seems to have forgotten, or missed, the fact that the 
>original question was about a *male* cat being *neutered*. This is not major 
>surgery; in humans it's done with a local anaesthetic in the doctor's office.
 
when male cats are neutered they are castrated: the testicles are removed.
when male humans are sterilised (at least the ones i've known), all the 
doctor does is disconnect a couple of tubes.  it's not the same surgery at all.
-- 
-- little gator aka s. mudgett     email: scm@harvee.billerica.ma.us
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
From: das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: strange hairless circles on my cats
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:38:34 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Yet Another Graphics Project, Bellevue, WA

In article <41172@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, palvarez@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Pablo Alvarez-Royo) writes:
> All three of our cats now have strange hairless spots on their shoulders
> /neck area (1 spot per cat). We have no idea what the reason for this
> may be. We first spotted this on Taz many months ago, then saw one on
> Teetee, and have recently found a similar mark on Benzo. 
>  They are about the size of a
> nickel, and completely hairless. We also know from following Taz that
> the hair does not seem to grow back. 
> 	Does anybody know why this might be? We are starting to      
> get worried and would appreciate any comments.
> 	Thank you
> 

Bite your tongue, Debbie, bite your tongue....aaaah, I can't help it.......

Obviously, what your cats are suffering from is miniature crop circles,
similar to the ones being found in fields in England, except in your case
they're being caused by tiny aliens who mistook your cats for flying
saucer landing fields.  

(Now that that's out of my system, I agree with the previous posters, sounds
like ringworm.)
------
Debbie Schwartz // das@voodoo.ca.boeing.com  // ....uw-beaver!bcsaic!voodoo!das
From: vboynton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Virginia R Boynton)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cat's vision
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:22:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Nov22.172243.28258
Organization: The Ohio State University

Bob Jewett writes:

>So, my daughter comes up to me last night and asks: "Does Nugget see in
>color?" (Nugget is the cat of course!).  I summon up all my knowledge on
>the subject and answer: "Ah, er, a .......I don't know."
>
>Aha, but I know where to ask...I hope.  So what say ye?  Do cats see in
>living color or just black and white?
>
>Thanks.  You all are going to make Dad look smart again!
>
>Bob

This is not authoritative, but my understanding is that cats can see *some* 
colors (more than dogs, anyway), but that since seeing color is not 
particularly important for their survival, they generally ignore color 
differences.  In other words, they can physically *see* colors, but they don't 
pay any attention to them under normal circumstances.

Hope this helps.

Ginny
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: ellen@iti.org (Ellen Sudia)
Subject: Cats that don't jump and then do
Summary:  Are Persians slow learners? 
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:20:41 GMT


My almost 2-year old Persian cat, Murphy (yes, I named HER after
Murphy Brown) has just started jumping up on my dining room table.
She has never even attempted to jump on anything.  I was working 
at my table the other night and felt a thud as she jumped into my
lap and then proceeded to walk all over the table.  She figured out
that she could jump on me and then get to the table.  This went on
for two days.  Then she figured out that she doesn't need to jump
on the human she can jump from the floor all by herself.  This 
doesn't make Katsu, the Queen of the household, very happy since 
Murphy is now taking over her spot on the wicker basket thingy that
Katsu has napped on for 10 years.  Katsu was sprawled out and dreaming
away when Murphy hopped up on the table and then proceeded to try
to edge her way on top of the basket lid, shoving Katsu out of the 
way.  This ended up in an all out war with paws flailing and the two
of them fighting on the table.  This is all going on as I am
working with a hot soldering iron and stained glass pieces.  Needless
to say I had to move the iron out of the way and break up the
fight.

Murphy has always been a quirky little thing.  She is afraid of her
own shadow and loves to be under things.  She has lived under the 
table for two years.  She loves to hide under the bed.  She has
always been standoffish and hates being held.  When you pick her up
she will immediately start snorting and sniffing and crying to be 
put down.  It's a riot.  I've never had a Persian before and I'm
wondering if this is typical of the breed?  Any other Persian 
owners out there with quirky cats?  
 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)
Subject: Re: Neutering question
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:31:32 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.150648.24012@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.212236.26128@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rkn3u@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (R. Keith Norwood) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov16.194804.3493@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel) writes:
>>>
>>>the same? This just buggs me alot...in league with people who think
>>>33 cents a can for food is WAY too expensive for a cat!! Please!
>>>
>>>Jen (proud mommy to Zeb
>>
>>Unless you have a fat wallet, there is a limit to how much you will spend
>>on your cat.  This amount varies with the individual but there is no "correct"
>>amount. 
>>
>Agreed.  We adopted a kitten from the animal shelter, and my husband
>at the time said that if anything happened to her that would require
>great medical expense, then we would put her to sleep and get another
>one.  Its not that I don't love my kitten, and its not that I think
>one cat is the same as another, but it is that we owe thousands
>of dollars to credit card companies, in addition to owing the people
>hospital $600 for ER visits.  If my cat broke her hip, we would have
>to let it go or put her down as well.  

Yes, but the trick is to know when *not* to put the cat to sleep.
I mentioned in an earlier posting about my grandmother's cat who
got hit by a car.  Both his hips were dislocated (much more common
than breaking it I think).  The vet wanted $$$ and my grandmother
was set to put him to sleep immediately.  Fortunately, I, my mother,
and eventually my vet, convinced her that (1) immediate sugery
was *BAD*, and (2) he'd probably recover just fine.  Well, that's
what happened -- you'd never know that he had been hit by the car.

Another story involves a cat my mother had when I was very young.
He too was hit by a car.  A different vet, being very cruel, was able to
bend his hind legs all the way over his back.  Knowing we
couldn't afford an operation, he suggested we put our cat to sleep.
Instead, we took him home and he recovered full use of his legs.

{I keep all my cats indoors to avoid things like this}

I guess what I'm saying is don't be in such a rush to put
the cat to sleep.  Also, find a vet you can really trust -- 
hard I know.

Julie
DISCLAIMER:  All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: maxfield@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joan C. Maxfield)
Subject: Re: travel
Keywords: travel
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:55:28 GMT


Kevin,
	Please, PLEASE! be careful with your kitten and Delta in
particular!  The ONLY time I flew with Amos (on Delta) they unloaded
him from the pet hold area (they don't allow any pets in the passenger
area, even Amos, who was less than 3 months old and still on a bottle)
but instead of bringing him up to the pet/large item counter at
Hartsfield Airport, they let him go up the baggage carousel!  Now,
this may not have been so bad at Laguardia, where the baggage clam is
a flat converor belt, but at Hartsfield the bags are lifted up from
the basement into the center of a circular converor that is on an
angle.  The bags are dropped at the top of the convevor and they slide
down an few feet to the bottom.  Poor little Amos got quite a ride!
The poor little guy was TERRIFIED!  My dad called the ASPCA but found
that nothing could be done because Amos wasn't hurt at all, go figure.
	I suggest a few things:
A) Find an airline that will allow your kitten in the passenger area
with you.  I doubt that this is possible seeing your resservations and
all, but keep it in mind for the way home, or next time.
B) Mark the box clearly with "LIVE ANIMAL HANDLE WITH CARE" stickers.
They should have come with the box, but a pet store or a vet might
have them if not.  Also have your name and a phone number where you
can be reached (remember you won't be at your normal number!) on the box.
C) Have your vet give you a certificate of health and proof of
vaccination for you to carry.  You shouldn't need it while travelling
inside the US but better safe than sorry.
D) Keep a picture and description of the cat with you, or in your
carry on, in case kitty gets out in the airport.  DO NOT open the
carrier in the airport under any circumstances
E) Keep kitty with you until the last minute.  Pets are borded early,
but not that much sooner than you.  Ask if you can stay near the
baggage drop with the box until the kitty will be borded.  If you have
a friend with you it woud be good to run ahead and get your seat and
"check in" so you woun't be delayed after leaving kitty.
F) This is the most important   TIP HEAVILY!!!  Let everyone who you
see that will handle your baby know just how much that kitty means to
you.  Jot down names too if you can..."Bob? ok Bob, well, thank you
for your time and thanks for taking such good care of kitty for me.
I'll be sure to mention your kindness and help in the letter I send to
Delta when kitty gets to New York safe and sound!"  Corny, yes but you
also have a name to mention if kitty DOESN'T get there ok, and Bob
knows it!

I hope you and your kitten have a good trip,  I'll leave the details
of how to get kitty packed up to the ones who's cats will go in a
carrier!

Joan
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From: sjs@naucse.cse.nau.edu (Susan Starr)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cats that JUMP (was fetch)
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:07:16 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ

>Snyder) writes:
>
>I once saw a cat who, from a sitting position and with a perfectly relaxed
>expression, jumped on top of a refrigerator from the floor. An almost 6 foot
>jump, with no pre-jump run. He never did it again that I know of, and I've
>never seen any other cat come close. Amazing.
>--
My cat did this one time only, when a friend stopped by
my apartment with her dog.

Sue & Big Black Fuzzy Kitty
sjs@naucse.cse.nau.edu
From: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: My roommate broke my kitten's leg!!!! 
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 23:53:50 GMT
Organization: Me? Organized? Hah! :-)

In article <1992Nov18.202452.14233@dunix.drake.edu>
ac94691@dunix.drake.edu writes:

> [I wrote:]

>> if it were me, and someone deliberately did that to Smokey, I'd return
>> the favor...to them.  no smiley intended or implied here.  there'd be a
>> human going to the emergency room, too.   [and so on...]

> Hmmm...I've been seeing an interesting pattern in some of these
> responses.  I AGREE absolutely that the abuse of any animal just because
> it made a mistake is inexcusable.  But I've repeatedly seen people
> saying they'd do the same thing back to the abuser!!!

well, think about it this way:  let's assume you have a baby son or
daughter, and someone deliberately broke their leg by throwing them
forcefully onto the floor (an act which could have resulted in even more
serious injuries).  would you not react violently toward this person?
if you answer no to this question, then based on the folks I've known,
you're in an extremely small minority.

now, consider how you reacted above to the thought of a baby son or
daughter being deliberately injured, and replace the human baby with
a kitten.  if you look at the people in this newsgroup, you'll probably
find that the majority of us don't make a very big distinction here.
the kitten is part of the family, too, and that's that.

> Taking revenge for such a crime only lowers oneself to the
> level of the scum who committed the crime.

fine.  then by your standards, if someone were to intentionally harm
Smokey as in the original case of the slime-bucket roomate who broke
the kitten's leg, I'd be lowering myself to the level of the scum for
at least a few minutes worth of inflicting bodily harm.  so be it.  I'd
do just the same if someone hurt my brother, sister, dad, mom, or any
other of my kin.

and I'll re-state what I've edited out of the quotes from my last
post....I am *NOT* normally a violent person at all.  but in the case
that started this thread, or the above example cases, this *WOULD*
change...rather drastically, in fact.

comments either to the group or via e-mail (I'm moving next week, so
if you don't get a quick response, that's probably why).  flames to
/dev/null --- on your end or mine....
   --jim

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From: barlow@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Rebel)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Neutering question
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:37:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Nov17.150648.24012@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ren@Turing.ORG (Karen Prestemon) writes:
>Agreed.  We adopted a kitten from the animal shelter, and my husband
>at the time said that if anything happened to her that would require
>great medical expense, then we would put her to sleep and get another
>one.  Its not that I don't love my kitten, and its not that I think

Personally I feel that if money is SO tight that you can't afford 33 cent cans
of cat food because you need to save that money for bills or your own food then
I don't think you can afford to have a cat. Cats involve not only food but
the expense of shots and possibly several regular visits to the vet which are
bound to cost money. The idea that I can get a cat for my own enjoyment and 
keep it as long as the cat is healthy, but as soon as the cat has a medical
problem or starts to cost too much...we'll just kill it. Not "put it down" kill
it is more appropriate. You "put down" animals that are terminally ill or
suffering due to extreme old age....you kill animals that could be helped
but you refuse to for whatever the reasons. I think that it is extremely
irresponsible to take on the committment of an animal if you already know that
you may not be able to cover the expenses. 

the cat would be better off staying at the shelter and have the chance of
getting a family that can care for all its needs.
Jen (and Zeb also a shelter cat)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: coimay@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu ( LAURA CARRIERE)
Subject: Re: Help with sick cat!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   
Keywords: SICK
Reply-To: coimay@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu
Organization: The unofficial LSU news node
Distribution:  world
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:26:31 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-3652]: sn01.sncc.lsu.edu

In article <BxqIG9.IJK@leo.irv.icl.com>, jmp@leo.irv.icl.com (Jim Paugh) writes...
> 
>  I have a 2 year old neutered male tabby, Tweak, had diarhea (sp?) with some
>  blood in it :^(.  
> 
>  I called the Emergency Vet clinic, and they said take a "wait & see" 
>  attitude until tomorrow, and if it continues, bring him in.  Has anyone
>  seen similiar symptoms in their cats, that could offer advice?

Frog had a similar problem last month.  She's also indoor/outdoor.  Her
stool was very wet, but not actually all liquid.  The blood came out 
after the stool.  I did take her to the vet, they took a sample for 
testing and told me to keep her inside for up to a week and feed her
only dry food until the stool was normal again.  The tests came back
negative and she was better in about four or five days after it started.
The vet suggested that something she was eating outside could have been 
causing her some digestive trouble.  

Having said that, there are any number of more serious problems that
could be causing Tweak's trouble.  If it's not noticeably better tomorrow,
head to the vet.  Just knowing the tests were negative made me feel much
better.  (Yeah, I know, it was the cat who was sick, but she didn't 
seem to mind as much as I did.)

Laura Carriere
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Subject: Re: Attachment to cats (Re: a friend gone)
Reply-To: rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 22:33:16 GMT

In article <3332@voodoo.UUCP> das@voodoo.boeing.com (Deb Schwartz) writes:
>In article <1e8ah5INNjv3@uwm.edu> hcrain@convex.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>>Why do we let ourselves get so attached to such shortlived critters?

>It just isn't fair....why can't they be like parrots or turtles and
>have a human-like lifespan....

Actually, it's just as well they don't. A lot more kitties would be sent
to shelters because their owners died if they lived as long as people.

Very few people really make provisions of this nature for their pets; many
don't even do it for their kids, for whatever reason. There was a discussion 
on this group about this some time ago, but the people who post here are the 
(wonderful) exceptions to a general rule.

Parrots and large tortoises (don't know about small turtles) live much
longer than humans, and finding a home for a parrot after its owner's death
is pretty difficult. If cats lived as long as humans, you wouldn't be able
to get a kitten once you were an adult.
-- 
Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats