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From: doconnor@oxygen.inews.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Shots (was: Board in/near Portland, Or)
Date: 11 Apr 92 07:17:29 GMT
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Organization: /eng/eng25/doconnor/.organization
In-reply-to: dand@sail.LABS.TEK.COM's message of 8 Apr 92 06:02:59 GMT


dand@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Dan Duval) writes:
] We had a small scare in this area last year, when some dweeb brought
] a mule up from California without gettings a Coggins done on it first
] (completely illegal to bring a horse into Oregon without a Coggins,
] but that doesn't mean squat if it passes equine infectious anemia to
] your horse before anyone finds out.)

As far as I know it is illegal to transport a horse across any state
line without a valid Coggins ( I think it must be within the last
year or six months to be valid. ) Some states also require health
certificates. Arizona has a checkpoint at the state border : when
we brought our horses here from Virginia, we had to produce the
Coggins and the health certificates.

In New York, if a State Trooper pulled you over with a load of
horses from out-of-state and they didn't all have Coggins, the
trooper would relieve you of their owership, permanently, and
arrest you to boot.

So, don't try this at home, kids.
--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 19:36:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Board in/near Portland, Oregon.
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

>    the vet comes out every 3 months for his shots.

What are you giving shots for?  Here in Colorado we only
give shots once a year (flu, Eastern and Western sleeping,
tetnus, and one other I can't remember).  Unless there is
an injury that requires something, once is enough.  

This is not a flame, I'm curious as to why the 4 times a year
is needed.  Recently, I read some posters in the East give shots
2 times a year.

Wendy

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: smack@sol.UVic.CA (Susan Mackey)
Subject: Re: biotin supplement
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 23:06:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.120539.25525@unx.sas.com> sasjmg@dickens.unx.sas.com (Jodie Gilmore) writes:
>The stuff is called Bio-Meth Powder, and
>is manufactured by Vet-a-mix, Inc. It says "for vet. use only", which makes
>me think you have to buy it from a vet. I've never seen it in the catalogs.

My understanding of "For vet. use only" is that it is meant for animal health
care only. Not for human consumption or application. 

I may be wrong but I often see products labeled this way at feed stores and in 
pet shops.


Celt's Sue

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: sasjmg@dickens.unx.sas.com (Jodie Gilmore)
Subject: Re: Question for the FAQ...
Keywords: FAQ
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:22:53 GMT
X-Bytes: 1634

I could't remember who was collating the FAQ, so I'll post this,
and hopefully that person will pull it off the net.

One of the neatest "shows" I've participated in was a "versatility
competitive trail ride." This was a 2-day event, where the first
day you showed halter, showmanship, western and english pleasure,
trail (either W. or E.), barrel racing, reining, and a couple other
classes. Then, on the second day you did a 10-mile CTR (which is
based on condition of the horse, manners of horse and rider on trail,
care of horse by owner, and so on, as well as on completing the ride
in a specified amount of time--not under or over). This was a great
test of how versatile your horse is (we came in second!), and was a
lot of fun too.


Other more well-known types of shows are:

English Pleasure shows
Hunter/jumper shows
Saddleseat/Parkseat shows
Western pleasure shows (includes trail, usually)
Halter classes
"gymkhana", or barrel racing, pole bending, keyhole, etc.
   may include 'fun' classes, such egg-in-spoon, ride-a-buck, etc.
Driving shows (some classes based on appearance, some on speed/manuverability)
Dressage shows
Three-day events (dressage, x-country jumping and stadium jumping)


Most shows are 'rated' by one or another group, usually A shows are
the toughest, B are less tough, etc. There are also 4-H shows,
owner-amatuer shows, and 'fun' shows (no rating, just lots of fun).

Of course, I've probably left out some very important types--so forgive
me!

--------
Jodie Gilmore
sasjmg@unx.sas.com
-- 
Jodie Gilmore
sasjmg@unx.sas.com

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From: marsh@cs.cornell.edu (Dorothy Marsh)
Subject: Re: Amelia Island, Florida
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 15:13:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.063429.923@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.212556.15584@mlb.semi.harris.com>, mwills@su102c (Scott Wills) writes:
>> 
>> BTW, we'll be taking our 8 month old daughter with us to Amelia
>> Island.  Any special considerations?  What about taking her on
>> a horse with one of us?  My wife is the more experienced rider
>> but I'm a little concerned.
>> --
>> 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>GAD!  There is NO way I would ever consider taking an infant on a horse with
>me or anyone else.  It's just not safe, what if the horse shyed or bucked?
>Also there is ample evidence that an infant should not be subjected to the
>jarring bounce of this type of motion.  It can damage the child's brain by
>jarring the brain stem.  
>
>Please don't even think of taking the baby riding with you!
>


One more thing to consider:

A woman who owned a stable at which I used to ride told me of a terrible
accident she witnessed at a show.  A guy was riding with his (approximately)
one-year-old child in front of him.  The horse freaked out over something
(the horse didn't usually act up, but something upset him that day),
the guy fell off and he fell onto the child and killed the child.
An adult will almost always instinctively try to hold the child
when they fall; it would be very easy to crush the child with your weight.

Something else to consider.  Maybe the hotel at which you're staying
will have a sitter service.  Then you can really enjoy your ride without
having to worry about your daughter's safety.  Have fun; sounds
like a great vacation!

     Dorothy




Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jpenovic@wizard.Berkeley.EDU (Jan Penovich)
Subject: Re: New horse, and new twist on the Name Game
Reply-To: jpenovic@encore.com
Organization: Encore Computer Corp., Fort Lauderdale FL
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:00:17 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.142841.1256@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>,
rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (R.L.Taylor KB2OOA) writes:
> 
> It's funny, except for her size, she looks nothing like Pooka (who was
> a flea-bitten grey).  But she reminds me of her in a lot of ways:  bugging
> out at the wind;  a whole lot of power just waiting to be asked to run;  a
> big affectionate oaf who's kind of scared by all the stuff that's happened
> to her lately, yet who's looking for a friend.  If Pooka stops chasing
> Pendragon through the clouds long enough to look down, I think she'll be
> pleased.  The best tribute I can think of to give her is to save another
> horse's life.

  What a great story.  Sounds like you and she both lucked out.


> ...and Chablis and Co Kay Sem, who desperately needs a nickname!

  You'll probably hate this, but how about calling her Sam?
  Or just wait until her personality hits you with a name.

  BTW, speaking of Pookas, last night someone I knew a long time ago 
  when my Pooka was alive started waxing poetic to one of my
  trainers about him.  I mean I always knew he was wonderful,
  but it's good to hear someone else describing how special he
  was.  Sorry for the diversion, but I miss the big guy even
  after all these years.

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From: kyle@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Kyle Karnosh)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:15:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Horse-sitters (was Re: Horse keeping costs)
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

/ hpspdla:rec.equestrian / fax0616@uoft02.utoledo.edu /  7:13 am  Apr  1, 1992 /
Leigh Casey writes:

  $68.75  25 bales of hay ($2.75 for alfalfa/clover/timothy mix)
			   ^^^^^



I wish!! Our hay here in Northern CA runs at least 2.5 times that.
I don't suppose these are miniture bales either :-)


Kyle Karnosh
Con Brio Farms
Quality Warmblood Sporthorses
Gilroy, CA

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: carey@m.cs.uiuc.edu (John Carey)
Subject: Re: domestication of horses before metal working
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:09:45 GMT

When I was in Arizona (the Havasu canyon Supai "reservation") most of
the horses did not have shoes, went over the rockiest driest trails and
had hooves like iron.

I don't know if there is that much detailed info on the Mongolian horse
care.  I imagine they had spare horses and would mount another one and
let the cracked-hoof one go unmounted until it got better.

Actually, Mongolians are pretty much the same as they were hundreds of
years ago, so maybe current articles would mention it.
-- 
John Carey
University of Illinois
Dept. of Computer Science
carey@a.cs.uiuc.edu {uu-net,pur-ee,convex,...}!uiucdcs!carey
From: gale@chrysos.Eng.Sun.COM (Gale Snow)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: horses and equestrian sports in Russia
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:56:21 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: chrysos


>>Does anyone know anyhting about horses and horse sports in Russia?

a russian woman placed second in the (volvo?) dressage world cup in
paris last year.  i believe she rode a trakaener(sp?).  i saw a video
of the competition.  her ride was my favorite actually - it was quite
beautiful.  the competition consisted of the top horses/riders in the
world doing freestyle rides to music at the fei (grand prix i assume)
level.

i do wonder about equestrian sports in russia tho, it would be interesting
to know more.

gale snow
c'est jolie and jaseroque
From: rivk@quads.uchicago.edu (nora gayle rivkis)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: begining riders and horses
Date: 6 Apr 92 03:16:35 GMT
Reply-To: rivk@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1544@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> marym@mpd.tandem.com (Mary Matejka) writes:

>Still I think it would 
>be much more difficult to teach the horse and the rider at the same 
>time. We make a good team 'cause if I even get the aide close to right 
>Tron does what he is supposed to do. 

I don't know... there can be advantages to a horse who *won't* figure
it out if you get it even close to right; it makes you learn to get it
*right*. I learned to ride partially on a horse named J.C., who was an
absolute doll (as well as one of the prettiest blue roans I've ever
seen), but he worked like a machine, doing exactly what you told him
to, NOT what you *wanted* him to! So I learned how to tell him precisely
what I wanted, pretty quickly. I loved it; I don't know what other people
thought, since they didn't teach beginners on J.C. too much, due to a
little trick known as "J.C.'s seesaw routine" -- an alternating buck and
rear that he went into for inexplicable reasons about once a year. It
was very rare and he was a sweetheart the rest of the time... but I only
met one person who could stay on when he did that, and so we mostly put
on him people who were at least advanced enough to know how to fall, just
in case.

>He does take exception to tall purple flowers though. :-)

A horse I worked with for a while, Cooter, had an aversion to tall grass
and things. He was awfully frisky to begin with -- didn't *exactly* run
away, just argued with me a lot and tended to take the slightest movement
as license to go. We eventually worked out a deal of sorts... we went 
roughly *where* he wanted (i.e. around tall flowers and such, rather than
through them) as long as we went *when* I wanted. It worked out fairly
well (until the time when the entire trail ride went nuts and *everyone*
was thrown, but that's another story...)

-- 
Oseh shalom b'imromav, hu ya'aseh shalom aleinu v'al kol yisrael.
From: njd@FTP.COM (Nancy J. DeMarco)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: wierd lameness (long - sorry)
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:54:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: babyoil.NJD.92Apr13115432
Reply-To: njd@FTP.COM
Distribution: rec
Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA


I'm sorry this is so long, but I really need to discuss this with
horse people.  

Wil's problem persists and we're still no closer to a solution.
The lameness is happening with a bit more frequency now, but the
episodes are less severe - a nodding lameness rather than
three-leggedness.  It happens about once a week for about 30 seconds.
It seems to happen any time now - not just during warm-up, and not
just under saddle.  Any suggestions?  Anyone want to vote on what
appear to be my choices? 

	1. Wait and see.  It may get better - it may get worse.  I run
	some risk of doing permanant damage, but at least if it did
	worsen, we may have more luck finding the source.

	2. Take him to Tufts for a bone scan.  He would have to stay
	there for several days while he sheds radiation, and he won't
	be feeling too great.  The cost would start at around $400+, 
	and would of course increase if they found a hot spot to x-ray.  

	If I really thought they'd find the answer I would not
	hesitate.  But I hate to put him (and me) through this procedure
	without a little more hope of success.  I noticed some heat in his
	knee a week ago, and we re x-rayed 5 views and came up empty.
	We can't definitely rule out a chip, but it would have to be VERY
	small and situated in such a way that we may never catch it on
	film, regardless of the size and strength of the x-ray machine.

	3. Lay him up (No one has suggested this, but it is always an 
	option.)  This horse would NOT do well with stall rest, and he
	puts far more wear and tear on himself in turn-out than we
	ever do under saddle.  And, I have seen him on three legs in 
	the paddock.  (He was doing a nice relaxed trot - nothing
	stupid - and suddenly he was dead lame.  As usual, after 30 
	seconds he was fine.)

	4. Alternative treatments.  I am trying to get Jack Meagher
	(equine massage therapist) to come see him.  He's very busy
	and hard to reach, but I'll keep trying.  I've been practicing
	the Tellington-Jones techniques, and we're making some
	progress.  Does anyone out there know of any good T.E.A.M.
	practicioners who would come to my area? (Ipswich, MA) 

Anyway, thanks for listening.  Any thoughts, suggestions, etc. would
be greatly appreciated.

Nancy DeMarco and Willie-nilly (who did great at his first dressage
schooling show :)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: kcumming@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (Kitty Cummings)
Subject: horses and equestrian sports in Russia
Originator: kcumming@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:31:04 GMT

Hi all,

Does anyone know anyhting about horses and horse sports in Russia?  What
breeds prevail there; what sports do they prefer; are horses used
primarily for work, show, pleasure, etc?  

My father will be going to Russia in July for 2 weeks on business.  He's
going to have some free time to meet people, explore the culture, etc.
He'd really like to meet some folks there that share some common
interests, namely horses (apps in particular - though I doubt there are
any in Russia, and German Shepherds.)  We've already started to set up a
visit to a police department in Moscow where they would show dad their
working police GSDs (this is being set up via a contact through
rec.pets.dogs).  Anyway, dad wants to see, learn, do as much as he can
on this trip and is very excited about it.  If anyone has any info on
the horse aspect - let me know as I know nothing about the state of
equus in Russia.

Thanks for any tid-bits or other info. in advance :)

Kitty Cummings
Kit-Mar Appaloosas
Ritter Hof German Shepherds
From: fskjp@acad3.alaska.edu (PRICHARD KIMBERLY J)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: accu-presure
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:42:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: acad3.9APR92104215
Reply-To: fskjp@acad3.alaska.edu
Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-a3

Here is a topic I haven't heard much about but I would
like to find out more.  Recently we had a vet for one of
the major dog sled races get tossed out for using it on one
team of dogs.   We also have some one coming up here in 
Sept to present a clinic to the vets in the state and to
lay persons on how it could be used and how to do it.

The session given to the lay people will be with horses
only seeing it is a horse club helping to bring
the guy up here.  My question is has any used it before and
has it been of any help?  {

Thanks 
Kim and Alex
From: mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Nicknames for Co Kay Sem
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:17:55 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA

In article <199204071745.AA29835@eclectic.com>, A20BAF1@NIU.bitnet (Bernadette Feyerharm) writes:
> Roberta,
>   How about Katie or Cookie for Co Kay Sem?  She sounds like a real
> sweetie!!!!  Have a wonderful time! ;-)
> 
> Bernadette
> Baby -- She came with this nickname and since I tend to call every
>         thing Baby or Babyface, or some such goo, it fit wonderfully.

I like the suggestion for Cookie also!  (Cookie Monster ?)
or how about Kasey.

Quest's registered name is Plain Quest, and his barn name
is Quest, though he is frequently referred to as
Dirtball (cause he likes to be dirty), Roo, Quest-a-Roo,
Quest-a-Roni or anything else that may pop in my mind.  :-)

Melanie
    and Quest  aka Dirtball
-- 
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Well, for years I was smart; I recommend pleasant.  You may
quote me."  Elwood P. Dowd
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From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: biotin supplement
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:43:06 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: sasjmg@dickens.unx.sas.com's message of 8 Apr 92 12:05:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.120539.25525@unx.sas.com> sasjmg@dickens.unx.sas.com (Jodie Gilmore) writes:

   I promised to provide more detailed info on the supplement I'm feeding
   Mira to help her hooves grow better and not chip:

   The stuff is called Bio-Meth Powder, and
   is manufactured by Vet-a-mix, Inc. It says "for vet. use only", which makes
   me think you have to buy it from a vet. I've never seen it in the catalogs.
   My vet sells it for $29.00 for 400 grams, ...

I've used this stuff for years on my old Fjord mare who has trouble
growing hoof.  I get it (no prescription needed) from Omaha Vaccine
(1-800-367-4444) for about $16 plus shipping and handling.  Ask them
to tape the jars closed, as I've occasionally had untaped jars pop
open in transit.

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
From: rewald@scivax.stsci.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Equine Heart Monitors?
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:53:35 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute

In article <1992Apr15.160424.12666@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, carey@m.cs.uiuc.edu (John Carey) writes:
> How is the heart monitor attached?
> -- 
> John Carey

I've seen one up close enough to describe.  It has an electrode that fits 
between the girth and the sternum (or close, I'm not sure), and another
electrode that fits under the saddle, somewhere around the withers.  Attached
to these electrodes via fine wires is the monitor, where the heart rate is
displayed.  The monitor is usually velcroed onto a wide strap that fits 'round
your mid-thigh. I think various models display different information, and I just
saw something advertised as a "wireless" model.  

I think that these are not usually used contantly, because the electrodes
have enough thickness that it can bruise the horse.  Some people are able
to fix up a means of padding around the electrodes so they don't dig in 
(They're about the size of a 50cent piece), and then they can use them all the
time, even in some competitions.
      Rosalie & Shogun
From: kyle@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Kyle Karnosh)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:07:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Horse-sitters (was Re: Horse keeping costs)
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

/ hpspdla:rec.equestrian / afallen@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (E. Allen Arrington) /  4:36 pm  Apr  7, 1992 /
In article <HANNAH.92Apr7093556@pomponio.ai.sri.com>, hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah) writes...
>PLEASE, folks, when you post prices like this, quantify what
>constitutes a BALE in your area!!!  I know that a Northern California
>(3-wire) bale of alfalfa weighs around 150 lb, and I know that a
>Wyoming (2-string) bale of grass hay weighs around 50 lb, but I
>haven't a clue as to what passes for a bale in Ohio.  What do they
>weigh (or, equivalently, how many bales do you get when you buy a ton
>of hay)?  It makes a heck of a difference in figuring costs!
> 
>Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
>La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
> 

>Northern Ohio hay bales: 2-string 40-50 pounds/bale; $2.50 - $3.50 /bale

Ah, so they ARE miniture bales! :-)

----------
Kyle Karnosh
Con Brio Farms
Quality Warmblood Sporthorses
Gilroy, CA
From: doconnor@oxygen.inews.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: names...again
Date: 11 Apr 92 06:44:15 GMT
Organization: /eng/eng25/doconnor/.organization
In-reply-to: krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com's message of 6 Apr 92 16:03:33 GMT


krattige@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kim Krattiger) writes:
] hello all,
]
] I am new to this group and to notes in general.  But I thought I'd jump 
] right in.  2 friends and I recently purchaced a 10 yr old chestnut mare.
] Her name is/was Joy.  None of us are thrilled with the name and we are
] trying to come up with a new one.  Of course with 3 people in on it, 
] it is much more difficult.I would appreciate any suggestions.
]
] As I said, she is a 10 yr old chestnut pleasure horse.  For the last year she
] has had a nervous owner, and some of the nervousness has rubbed off.  I don't
] think it is anything that can't be fixed with time, and it really isn't that
] bad.   
]
] Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Let the horse name itself. They do eventually.

Examples : My horse one the first night we owned him did the limbo under
his stall-guard (dragging his belly on the ground to do it), and wandered
the whole barn we were then baording at, saying hello to all the trotters
and pacers and eating all the grain, and most of the hay, that had been
left out for their morning feeding : probably 35 pounds of grain in all,
and who knows how much hay ! Well, he didn't colic (amazingly), but he
did get a name : "Nomad". Made sense to me, anyway.

A friend had a young pony, that everyone started calling "Alpo", as
a friendly jest, after the owner called the horse that in a reprimand.
Now "Alpo" is no name for a horse to have, but it's hard to fight
when everyone uses it, so the horse is now named : "Al Pochino".
( However, he goes to shows under an alias :-)

Now aren't these great stories to tell when someone asks why
your horse is named "Dances with Wool" or "Froghopper" ? :-)

--
Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian