From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Newsgroups: talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: WANTED: Former LDS, now Born Again Christian for Thesis Project
Date: 6 Oct 92 00:41:14 GMT
Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <16772@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>In article <4fkw02RA247e01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) writes:
>>In article <16673@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>>>In article <Sep.23.04.10.56.1992.3815@athos.rutgers.edu> hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick) writes:
>>>
>>>In any event, the Church makes a great effort now not to
>>>criticise other religions.
>>
>>I was at Temple Square two weeks ago, and there is a statue of Joseph
>>Smith there, and on that statue are the words:
>>
>>     "I was answered that I must join none of them for they were all
>>      wrong. The Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds
>>      were an abomination in his sight, that those professors were
>>      all corrupt...."
>>
>
>Gosh, you mean they haven't melted down that statue yet?

No, but they did remove the display of Adam and Eve offering fruit on the
alter, when they realized that that was what was rejected by God!  Oops,
sorry about that mistake!  Wonder where else they have mistaked?


>>it.  To tell me that I am "outright wrong", I am an abomination in the
>>eyes of God, and so are my creeds, is to tell me that you think there is
>>no hope for me unless I become a Mormon.  This is criticizing other
>>religions.  I know there have been lots of discussions on this and some
>>one will write in and say, "we have discussed this.......", but that
>>doesn't change the fact that this is the beleifs of the LDS church.
>
>I see no problem in telling you that you are wrong.  Saying a
>creed is an abomination is pretty strong, but not the same
>as saying that you are an abomination.  The concept of "no
>hope" is an orthodox one, not a Mormon one.  In Mormon theology,

It's a Biblical one!  Jesus sure subscribed to it!  Condem him if you
are going to condemn the idea!

>non-Mormons don't go to hell, but to the Terrestrial Kingdom (good men
>of the earth) or Telestial Kingdom (liars, thieves, etc.).

Any "kingdom" without God is a Hell to me!

>Joseph Smith wrote of a vision of the Telestial Kingdom
>in which he did not wish to return to earth from such a
>paradise.  Of course, this is unBiblical, so you'll be sharpening

He sure wrote a lot that was unBiblical didn't he? I guess the only parts
that he did write that were Biblical were the parts he copied word-for-
word out of the KJV!

>your knife, but you might as well object to the actual Mormon
>heresy rather than make up beliefs for the Mormons that they
>don't really have. Mormons actually believe in almost a

I didn't make up anything!  I just read the statue.  Take it up with the
LDS authorities if you don't agree with it!

>universal salvation rather than the damnable universal damnation
>that most of your type of "Christian" churches teach.

So now you are admitting that your church believes what you just described
above as unBiblical!  Now we are getting somewhere!

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