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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:24:49 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Abortion

Vicky:

Thanks for the advice, but I'm already doing it.  Why don't prolife and
prochoice Christians get together and extend that kind of compassion on
a more regular and dependable basis.  Prochoice Christians are ill-served
by secular organizations like planned parenthood that make no attempt to
assist a woman in crisis pregnancy unless she wants to have an abortion;
that is not their business.  Prolife Christians are ill-served by those
who commit violence against women who are victims of a culture that
promotes the violence of abortion.  If we all wish to preserve both
the sanctity of life and enhance its quality, we should be willing to
turn off our vaccuum (sp?) cleaners and get to work providing support for
these women and their children.  Please do not be deceived; except in cases
where the mother's physical life is directly endangered by the presence of
the unborn (toxemia, for example), abortion is _never_ the _only_ option.
                                                  Love INC,
                                                           ---Kerry
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:51:56 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Abortion terminology

Dan:

Understanding that personal choice is a denial of the sovereignty of
God, please feel free to refer to me personally as "anti-choice"
(though I would still say that "seamless garment or completely
prolife would be better.)  Can I ask one question though, of
everyone involved in this discussion.  Could we have a vote on whether
these terms should all be hyphenated or unhyphenated?  A simple one or
the other reply will do just fine.  Thanks,
                                           Love INC,
                                                    ---Kerry
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 08:38:02 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Devotional reading 4/16

List Folk:

This is the devotional reading from "My Utmost For His Highest" by
Oswald Chambers for April 16.  Though it might resonate for some of
you:

                       CAN YOU COME DOWN?

  We all have moments when we feel better than our best, and we say--"I feel
fit for anything; if only I could be like this always!"  We are not meant to
be.  Those moments are moments of insight which we have to live up to when we
do not feel like it.  Many of us are no good for this workaday world when there
is no high hour.  We must bring our commonplace life up to the standard
revealed in the high hour.
  Never allow a feeling which was stirred in you in the high hour to evaporate.
Don't put your mental feet on the mantelpiece and say--"What a marvelous state
of mind to be in!"  Act immediately, do something, if only because you would
rather not do it.  If in a prayer meeting God has shown you something to do,
don't say--"I'll do it"; _do it!_  Take yourself by the scruff of the neck
and shake off your incarnate laziness.  Laziness is always seen in cravings
for the high hour; we talk about working up to a time on the mount.  We have
to learn to live in the grey day according to what we saw on the mount.
  Don't cave in because you have been baffled once, get at it again.  Burn
your bridges behind you, and stand committed to God by your own act.  Never
revise your decisions, but see that you make your decisions in light of the
high hour.
                                   Happy Easter,
                                                ---Kerry
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:52:47 EST
From:         carol nemec <YA67@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      Peace

From Nigel:
Father, I pray for peace.  Peace in everyones hearts and peace on this
planet.  Let us learn to set aside our daily lives and let your sons
peace come upon us.  Help us to show others your peace in our lives so that
they to may share this blessing.  In Jesus's name who made true peace
possible, amen.
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Thanks for the prayer, Nigel.
May His peace be with you also...
Carol
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:37:25 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Feminist theology/little god movement

Liz:

God bless you for standing up for Him in the face of such demonic forces
as you describe.  If you missed my posting on this (I can't remember whether
it was part of personal mail or list mail), you should read "Catholics and
the New Age," by Mitch Pacwa, which is about the influences of the New Age
movement in the church and discusses yoga, enneagrams, visualization, and
other such problems.  BTW, the author is still a practicing Catholic, so
don't worry about it being some kind of Catholic-bashing Protestant conversion
book.
     Love INC,
              ---Kerry
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:01:54 EST
From:         Evelyn Duncan <R3EJD@AKRONVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: radio preacher/music

Maybe electronic organs are found in HIS version of the Bible. :-)

Evelyn Duncan
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 10:04:53 EST
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      Re: To Proud
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              "HANNANT%JII.AFRC.AC.UK@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU" at Apr 10, 92 9:11 pm

>Forgive me.  I am an ulgy sinner in your sight, forgive me.  I am
>to proud Father, until I stop fighting you cannot help me.
>    Nigel.
>

Nigel..

At the baptism of Jesus, the Father said 'This is my beloved Son, in whom I
am well pleased"..
When we are born again we become like that to the Father.. We are his
beloved Sons and Daughters, and in us HE IS WELL PLEASED..
Because of Jesus Christ, he could not be more pleased with us.. We are
clothed in the righteousness of Christ..

Our Sin continues to be ugly to the Father, but we are definately not
ugly sinners... We are human beings who continue to mess up, and who the
Father still loves with a burning passion that does _NOT_ change, whether we
are good or bad..

Nigel, I admire your sense of wanting to get right with the Father, thats
very important.. but we can only get right with the Father once we realise
our position in him!..

If we could only see the love of the Father that he has for us, even when
we think that we are not worthy of it..

'Twas Grace that taught my heart to fear
 and Grace my fears _relieved_'

God Bless you Nigel..

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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 22:52:00 EDT
From:         Jeff Shirton <SHIRTON@MCMASTER.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Meaning of Names

Liz offers:

> Job             he cries

From "JOB - A Self-Study Guide", by Irving Jenson:

JOB - "one who turns back (repents)" (Arabic)
      "the hated (persecuted) one"  (Hebrew)

FYI.

In Christ, Jeff Shirton
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 10:16:15 EST
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From:         Dennis Davidson <DDAVIDSON@CBACC.CBA.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Sons of God
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After reading John chapter 1, I cann't accept that everyone is perfect,
because Jesus came unto his own and his own received him not, but as many as
recieved him, to them have he power to become the sons of God, even to them
that believe on his name. If a person does not accept Jesus as their Lord,
then they will not be with the Lord, but will be cast in the lake of fire as
the book of Revelations says on judgement day.

Your servant in Christ,

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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:03:47 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Should women cover their heads?
              10 Apr 1992 22:03:51 EST from <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>

All:

In many portions of the Anabaptist tradition, head covering is taken
very seriously indeed.  Girls wear long hair until about the age of
twelve, then they begin to wear "coverings" (also known coloquially as
"sin sifters" because they are made of netting) in public.  At that
point, women will show their hair only for their husbands, as it is
an honor and a glory and is reserved for God and their husbands.
There is no degradation in this; it is a symbolic demonstration of
obedience to the husband as the head of the family as Christ is the
head of the church.  I know of no Mennonite (Amish, Hutterite, other
Anabaptist) in such a community that feels it to be in any way a
restriction of their "rights" as human beings.  It all has to do with
submission, which most modern men and women could stand to learn a good
deal more about, IMHO.   Personally, I do not practice "covering" because
of the congregation I am in, but I would not object to doing so in a congre-
gation where that was the tradition.
                                       Love INC,
                                                ---Kerry
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:58:50 EST
From:         Kerry Stephenson <KSTE@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Prayer Request update

Marty:

I agree with you, but what I meant was that this woman still has not
made a final decision, and if she decides that it would be more "difficult"
to tell her parents than to have an abortion, in light of the advice that
her closest friends are giving her, she might decide to go ahead with the
abortion.  I know that her parents would be supportive, and deep down I
think she does, too--nonetheless, it is a terrifically hard thing to
actually do, and given her living situation (living at home) she has
no other option if she chooses to keep the baby.

Please continue to pray that God will give her the strength to go through
this difficult moment of her life.

                                        Love INC,
                                                 ---Kerry
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:22:11 EST
From:         Ian Williams <iwilliam@AU.ORACLE.COM>
Subject:      Re: your mail
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              Apr 7, 92 12:30 am

>
>Hi! My name is Allen.  I come from Taiwan.
>I took months to search over a lot of server to find this place where I
>can talk with other Christians.  After subscribing my name to this server
>ten minutes ago, I surprisely find that I have already accumated five messages
>from it.  I can not image how many I would receive when I login tomorrow
>morning (or I would be unable to login as the disk space had been expired).
>Could anyone suggest me any stratey to relieve this problem?
>
>Allen
>

Hi Allen!..

Great to hear from some of our Asian brothers!! God Bless and I hope you
find blessings on this list!

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Oracle Systems         			Phone   : +61 8 239 3900
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 21:48:21 -0800
From:         dr798302 <whchen@CS.NTHU.EDU.TW>

// JOB ECHO = YES
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:39:12 EST
From:         John Ross <ROSSJB@PURCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Homosexuality

(A)  I am told homosexuality is genetic.

(B)  I am also told evolution will cause traits and characteristics of a
species to disappear if it will not further the chance of the species to
survive (ie natural selection).

TRUE homosexuals do not have a chance (unless raped, but that's another
topic) to continue the species.

If the first two statements are true, does that mean that homosexuality
is an evolutionary blind-alley?  If homosexuality is genetic, should it have
not "died out" eons ago?

Or, perhaps, either (A) or (B) is false, or we are seeing the "evolution"
of a new species of homo-sapien (however, I seriously doubt that.)

Any comments?
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:55:30 EST
From:         carol nemec <YA67@FERRIS.BITNET>
Subject:      response to Kim

Kim,

I really didn't want to jum in here, and I guess this isn't
really directed at you.  I am a prolifer.  I was adopted and
I would have been aborted, probably,if it was legal in 1947. I
believe life starts at conception and that God will give
us what we need to handle our problems.

There are many problems, child abuse and poverty and rape are some
of the worst.  I wish I had the resources to help, financially
and emotionally.  I know I don't do enough.  I'm selfish.  I want
my time and my money for myself.  Most people do not do enough.

I feel bad for your experiences and for those esperiences of your
family and friends.  I wish someone would have been there for you.

I tell my children that sex outside of marriage is wrong.  But I
also tell them abortion is wrong.  Having an abortion does not
correct the problem.  My son's girlfriend is pregnant.  I want
to be near her and support her and give her everything I can.
But she is not near me.  I don't know if she wants my help.  My
son knew the difference between right and wrong, but she is
pregnant.  He knew to protect himself, obviously one time he
didn't.  Parents cannot control everything.  Parents do things
wrong.  Christians sin.

Yes, there are difficult situations where abortion may seem to
be the only way out.  I don't think so.  I'm sorry there wasn't
someone there to help you and those you know through difficult
situations.  Please pray that when we see a need, we will help.
I need to be more caring and less selfish.  We all need to be
more forgiving.
The Lord be with you,
Carol
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:48:00 CDT
From:         "Love does not subtract, it multiplies." <HOLZMAN@FNAL.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Yoga & Medicine

<The Hippocratic Oath, which all doctors must take, originally
<had a verse where the doctor swore eternal allegiance to the
<god Apollo.

Doctors haven't been required to take the Hippocratic oath in ages.

<Also, the modern medicine symbol of the staff entwined by one or
<two snakes comes from the walking staff of an ancient Greek god.
<His nickname was Quicksilver; I can't remember which god he was.

His name is Mercury, but the Caudeces is also a symbol of Apollo, who is Patron
of Doctors.

Dan
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 02:59:00 CST
From:         "Darryl (The Other Brother) Johnson" <DJOHNSON@TCUCVMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Disagreeing with the Bible

From: DJ the Social Guy! <djk55497@UXA.CSO.UIUC.EDU>
church.  So how do we deal with "cut and dry" laws or rulings when they just
don't seem right.  Of course, we could write this one off as: "Well, that was
just the time period.  Things are different now."  One could make that calling
on almost anything in the Bible then.
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The "Domino Theory" again.  If we use this argument against ONE
verse, it could be used against ALL the verses, so maybe we had
better not use this argument.

Does this mean that, even on a verse where this argument DOES
apply, we STILL shouldn't use it, to save the REST of the verses
from possible attack?

Each verse should be examined on its own.  If it makes SENSE that
it was a "cultural thing", and it doesn't "sit right" with your
internal feelings, or your prayers to God for guidance, accept that
it might indeed BE a "cultural thing".
If someone tries to say that something ELSE then COULD be a
"cultural thing", decide for yourself on THAT verses' merits.
When prayer and heart and mind agree, no further explanation is
needed.

It is just as silly (IMO) to say that ALL of the Bible still
applies literally as to say that NONE of the Bible applies in
the modern world.  I would laugh in the face of anyone who
suggested either position.  Evaluate the verse (IN CONTEXT!  very
important), use the reason God gave you, and pray to him for
guidance.  Ask yourself if it agrees with the tone of the REST of
the Bible.  Ask yourself, knowing Jesus as you do from His words,
how do you think HE would explain it?

And NEVER fear confusion over God's words.  Be wary of "easy"
explanations.  If the thoughts of God were easily comprehended
by mortals, it wouldn't say much for the mind of God, would it?
If God hadn't wanted us to THINK about His words, he would have
put them in a Rambo movie, rather than a book.

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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:52:31 EDT
From:         JEK@NIHCU.BITNET
Subject: Re: Evolution....

Darryl Johnson writes:

 > the thoughts of Mr Kiefer... show a conciseness, logic, humor...
 > a mind that is exceedingly sharp. I don't want to embarrass
 > him with unqualified praise, but...

Please, Darryl, don't worry a bit about embarrassing me. I may not
agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
to say it.

 Yours,
 James Kiefer
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 14:18:55 CST
From:         "William M. Jordan" <IF20159@LATECH.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: abortion/FOCA and political action

I would like to say that I agree with everything said by Michelle about
writing your congressmen to state your opposition to the FOCA act.
The same thing could be said about writing to your congressman about
other issues that also have Christian implications.  Many times
a few letters on an issue might encourage your congressman to vote
in your favor on a particular issue.  On issues they do not feel
strongly about, most representatives will vote they way they feel
their constitutents want.
    There is another potential way that pro-life Christians can
make their voice heard, and that is through the national convention
delegate selection process.  For example, Louisiana has a presidential
primary.  Delegates are obligated to vote for the primary winner.
However, on other issues, they are free to vote as they wish.  In
our state, the actual convention delegates are chosen in caucuses that
are attended by only a few people.  In our congressional district about
80 people attended the caucus (about 50 were pro-life Christians).  As
a result, all of the delegates from this region are committed to be
pro-life.  My purpose in sharing this is to make the point that a
small number of Christians, by spending one morning at a caucus, ensured
that at least one more pro-life delegate and alternate will attend the
national convention.  Here is one opportunity for Christians to make
a real difference in the political process.
    I urge other members of CHRISTIA in the United States to investigate
their state rules.  For in many cases, the choice of actual delegates and
alternates is made by a small number of people attending a caucus.  Perhaps
you, too, can end up as a delegate at one of the national conventions.  I
know, for it happened to me.  On 12 hours notice, I became a candidate and
was elected a national convention alternate.  While I am bound to vote for
the winner of my states primary, I can vote by Christian conscience when
it comes to platform issues.
In Christ, Bill

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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 11:31:15 CST
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Subject:      re-pro-choice
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Kerry--

  I don't justify taking a life because I dont think abortion
is right. Lots of pro-choice people dont. I mentioned contra-
ception because  I am afraid that this is just the beginning
of interference in what I deem  women's business. To be quite
honest, if all the women in the world voted and decided we
wanted to make abortion illegal, I dont think I would have
a problem. Its easy for men to sit back and make judgements
about it but they dont know and never will know what it means
to be pregnant and alone.

Kim
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:06:47 -0400
From:         "Toni J. Benner" <tjbenner@COLBY.EDU>
Subject: Re: Biblical NT Church Leadership - Part 02
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Ian, I'm responding to this to see if I get a daemon message, which I will
try to forward to you. Does this mean that you are now a deacon?
Toni
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:23:26 CDT
From:         Carol Slingo <slingo@CASBAH.ACNS.NWU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Canadian national identity
              Apr 6, 92 2:52 pm

I'd like to see the lyrics too.

Carol Slingo
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