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From:  (dave I)
Subject: Re: Rudolf - Herbie a followup
Organization: Beer R Us
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:17:04 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.tv

In article <1992Dec17.125723.17584@edsi.plexus.COM>, chuck@edsi.plexus.COM
(Chuck Tomasi) wrote:
> 
> WDENNEN@CCVM.sunysb.edu (Bill Dennen) writes:
> 
> 
> :)I always thought the elf's name was Herbie, but to my surprise, I watched
> :)it last week and it was Hermie!
> 
> Same case here...  Herbie is a much more common name, but Hermie is an
> uncommon elf.  I think I heard his name right for the first time a few
> years ago, that's why I jumped on this article when I saw the subject.
> I was all ready to correct you...  Not necessary.

Well, as the poster of the original question, responses seem to have been
about 50/50.  I could swear during most of the show they said Herbie (I was
listening specially for this), but near the end I though I heard someone
(Yukon maybe??) say Hermie.  Maybe everyone hears something different...
Does someone have a cast of characters in print?? 
 
> "oink oink"

PUT SOME HEART INTO IT!!!!!!!
"oink oink oink oink oink" :) :) :) 

> -- 
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From: tal691@huxley.anu.edu.au (Tonio Loewald)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Question for the gals concerning hunks o' burnin' luv
Date: 17 Dec 92 08:54:34 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.2.12

mlinda@novell.com (M'Linda Taylor) writes:

>In article <1992Dec15.180756.11563@cc.gatech.edu> louise@pravda.cc.gatech.edu (Louise Penberthy)  writes:
>>In article <1992Dec15.081523.16830@olaf.wellesley.edu> sdoshi@olaf.wellesley.edu (Sucheta Doshi) writes:
>>>[.....]
>>>Other crushes:  Thaao Penghlis (MISSION:IMPOSSIBLE, General Hospital, and
>>>				now Santa Barbara)
>>
>>Ooh yes ooh yes!  How could I have forgotten about HIM?!
>>
>>What nationality is he, anyway?

>Greek.  I saw him on a Talk show some years ago and he believes
>in arranged marriages and fully expects his family to select his
>wife.  
>>
>>-- Louise Penberthy

Garbage!  He's Australian!  His hometown is Melbourne (the largest
Greek populated city in the world outside of Greece!)

Widya Santoso, not...
-- 
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die/But when it's done/And the police come/And they lay you down
for dead/Just remember what I said" (Paul Simon-not the senator)
From: jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: TV Crushes
Summary: Ahh you slept with the puppet
Keywords: yow
Date: 17 Dec 92 01:29:47 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.tv
Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide

In article <BzCptz.A6p@andy.bgsu.edu> ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile) writes:
>In article <1949@spam.ua.oz>, jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew) writes:
>> In article <Bz7wHG.4Lo@andy.bgsu.edu> ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile) writes:

>> >Grover (Sesame Street)

>> In retrospect, what a waste all those hours of Sesame Street were for me!
>> And I never even suspected....

>Grover!  Grover!  Oh, Grover!!! =)

>       Plus, I slept with a Grover doll for about a year.
>       (Remember: I did say PROVISIONALLY!!!)

Hmm, I think I'll leave that well alone although a girl I know has told
me that she was very close to her stuffed elephant :-)

>But if I ever DO have a fantasy about Grover, Joseph Askew, I've got your
>       e-mail address!!!

Please please please do!!! I am afraid I must lead a very boring life where
stories about a blue furry puppet interest me so. I ought to get out more!

Would you like my phone number (just so that I can hear *right* away)?

Perhaps this might become one of those threads that are posted to the most
inappropriate groups. So far I think you could cross post any fantasy that
comes your way to rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.muppets, alt.sex, alt.bestiality
(hey he's not a person you know) perhaps soc.culture.usa if you want to
strech the point (and if Sesame Street is not American Culture I would like
to know what is :-) ) Maybe a few others too. Personally I always felt a
distinct lack of sexy female puppets on Sesame Street. It probably distorted
my whole early development - after all if not for the Count I wouldn't be
in this Department. Someone ought to tell the Producers.

Joseph

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From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine)
Subject: Re: Question for the gals concerning hunks o' burnin' luv
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:55:34 GMT

mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison) writes:

>Couldn't resist THIS

>krk1@pyuxe.uucp (24228-knights) writes:

>>I'm a sucker for a guy with a big, well-shaped nose and good hands.

>Ummmm your dad has a rather large nose.  I didn't really get a good
>look at his hands though.

>(Personally, I'll turn into a puddle of goo over most British
>accents.)

Ditto.  Dark haired, anglo/irish men strike me as most attractive.

Funny, my fatehr is dark haired (well, he was when he had more hair),
and is half English, half Irish.

Whoa.  Freudian.

Ta,

LJC

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From: mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us (Nick Sayer)
Subject: Re: PBS Improvements? (was RE: obnoxious PUBLIC television)
Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.
Date: 13 Dec 1992 22:19:02 UTC

jenkins@local.host (Lisa Jenkins) writes:

>First restriction is that you *must* have a pledge drive.  Silent drives
>have been tried and failed, therefore it is not an option.

They have also been tried and have succeeded. Just ask KCSM.
They do it continuously.

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From: doreen@svl.cdc.com (Doreen Kasson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: QL: Question about actress - 12/15/92
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:11:59 GMT

mrosen@nyx.cs.du.edu (Michael Rosen) writes:

>In tonight's episode, does anyone know who the actress was who played
>the pregnant woman?  I'm thinking it's the same actress who played
>Commander Shelby on Star Trek:TNG's "Best of Both Worlds."

Yes, it's the same actress.  Her name is Elizabeth Dennehey (sp?).
She's the daughter of Brian Dennehey.  She also portrayed Blake in
Guiding Light for a while.

-- Doreen

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From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: VALUABLE LESSONS LEARNED FROM TELEVISION
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:53:59 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

When one person strikes another, it always makes a sound like whacking a side
of beef with a board.

The best place to hit someone is squarely on the chin - it always knocks him
right out and you never hurt your knuckles.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: DBBARBER@macc.wisc.edu (Deborah B. Barber)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: HOE: House of Elliott; more episodes?
Date: 15 Dec 1992 14:33:53 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Greetings to any rec.arts.tv folks who follow this A&E program imported
from England.
 
Does anyone know if more episodes/seasons of the show were made (portraying
the sisters' trip to America) and if they will be shown on A&E?
 
Deb Barber
dbbarber@macc.wisc.edu
standard disclaimer here
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: VALUABLE LESSONS LEARNED FROM TELEVISION
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:14:04 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


In article <1992Dec12.002815.12489@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, colten@cbnewsb.cb.att.com
(marc.colten) writes:
>In article <00964EFA.DAD54980@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 9073hammesm@vms.csd.mu.edu write
s:
>> >>> This sounds like an interesting topic ... anyone else have any others?
>> >>> What valuable lessons do we learn from watching TV?
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>> No one on TV ever has to look up a phone number.
>
>Or has to wait for someone to answer the phone - they
>always answer just as you push the last number.
>
>>
>> When two guys are fighting, the woman is somehow rooted to her spot
>> and can never pick up anything to help the good guy.
>>
>
>That's because of another rule I learned on tv.  Good guys are
>always better at fighting than bad guys.  They never get their
>ass kicked (unless the bad guy cheats and then gets his later).
>
>marc colten
>
When two guys are fighting and the bad guy is beating the daylights out of the
good guy such that the good guy is barely standing, suddenly one strong punch
from a weak good guy is enough to knock out the bad guy.
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From: buc@world.std.com (Quantum Buc)
Subject: Re: Enough of the QL stuff
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:43:34 GMT

manaud@naz.edu (Michael A. Naud) writes:

> How come everytime I look at this news group, over 90 percent 
> of the traffic is related to Quantum Leap.  I thought that a
> new news group was created for that, like alt.tv.quantum.leap
> or something.  There are other television programs to watch.

> Remember, the above is just MHO, and all flames will be ignored.


You know, he's right. And when he's right...well, he's right. Let's get
this QL stuff out'a here already.  And furthermore, I'm going to create
alt.tv.other, where people should post about non-QL or Star Trek, or
whatever.  There's entirely TOO MUCH Tv-related posting going on here!
Everyone knows that TV stuff belongs only in alt groups, not in the rec
hierarchy.  Now, let's cut that out!!!

And this is not a flame, cause frankly my candle don't burn too bright.


P.S..  Sorry about this.  Holiday stress and all.  Just ignore it. It'll go
away.


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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Stars and show name request
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 20:54:51 GMT

What was the name and stars of the (now gone) show where a woman was a  
man's housekeeper and she was not a US Citizen (about to be deported).   
The man's wife died unexpectedly and when the Immigration people came  
to take her away, the man married her?

Thanks,
-- 
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From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: SNL Review/12-12-92
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 21:21:01 GMT

In article <VITA.92Dec17185937@gloucester.dab.ge.com>
vita@sunny.dab.ge.com writes:

>I think that a lot of non-New Englanders attempting a New England accent end
>up sounding like the Kennedys (perhaps not surprising since JFK/RFK/Ted are
>perhaps the best-known people ever to come from New England).  What they
>don't seem to realize is that the Kennedys basically have their own accent;
>I lived in the Boston area for 25 years and never heard anyone else who
>talked like the Kennedys!

I'm from Chicago (Da Bearssss), and when I moved out here, I packed all my
stuff into my car, and drove all 16 hours in one sitting, so I was very tired
and somewhat out of it when I arrived in Mass (near Weston). Since the phrase
"Ya can't get thayah from heah" obviously came about because of how planless 
the roads are here, I found myself getting lost, and having to ask for
directions (to Sudbury). I pulled over to the side of the road, and asked
this couple in their 40's- early 50's for directions. When he started saying
things in that Kennedy accent (like you said, the only New Englanders *I*'d
ever heard), it took everything I could muster in my exhausted state to
keep from laughing deliriously- it was only then I'd realized I was now in
New England.

Scary thing is now my family says I'm starting to lose my Chicago accent
for a New England one....

	-Kenny

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From: rick@sadtler.com (Rick Morris)
Subject: Re: VALUABLE LESSONS LEARNED FROM TELEVISION
Organization: Sadtler Research Laboratories
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 15:15:27 GMT

If I like a show it will be cancelled.

-Rick.
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From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: Remmington Steele
Date: 18 Dec 92 01:41:03 GMT
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies

In article <BzEGwJ.38n@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius) writes:
> Meaningless trivia follows...

> You know Pierce Brosnan could have been the next James Bond
> (in lieu of Timothy Dalton) if he hadn't refused in order to
> continue on Remmington Steele?  

He wanted the part, but NBC wouldn't let him out of his contract.  NBC 
figured the publicity about him being a prospective James Bond would
give a boost to "Remington Steele".  It didn't, and when the show
finally died the movie people had already settled on Timothy Dalton.
One of the all-time great Hollywood screw-jobs.

> (not that Dalton isn't a good 007... I just think Brosnan
> would have been a lot better)

Brosnan can't get as convincingly mean and physical as Dalton can.
If the Dalton movies havn't done well it's because the series
concept is getting stale and it's almost impossible to top past efforts.

-- 
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Not an Intel spokesman 			 
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From: amo@cbnews.cb.att.com (arlene.m.osborne)
Subject: Re: Question for the gals concerning hunks o' burnin' luv
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:54:30 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Summary: wrong name!

In article <1992Dec14.204529.1070@cbnews.cb.att.com>, lbd@cbnews.cb.att.com (linda.b.dunlap) writes:
> 
> (This really dates me, but ...)
> The first one I remember was "Kookie" on 77 Sunset Strip.  (I'm so old I
> can't remember his real name.)
> 
> Efrem Zimbalist Jr.
> 


BUZZ -- Efrem was one of the older private eyes....Kookie was portrayed
by Ed Byrnnes..

Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
From:  (relgov)
Subject: Re: Rudolf - Herbie a followup
Organization: AA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 14:19:45 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.tv

In article <1992Dec17.141704.10172@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, (dave I) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Dec17.125723.17584@edsi.plexus.COM>, chuck@edsi.plexus.COM
> (Chuck Tomasi) wrote:
> > 
> > WDENNEN@CCVM.sunysb.edu (Bill Dennen) writes:
> > 
> > 
> > :)I always thought the elf's name was Herbie, but to my surprise, I watched
> > :)it last week and it was Hermie!
> > 
> > Same case here...  Herbie is a much more common name, but Hermie is an
> > uncommon elf.  I think I heard his name right for the first time a few
> > years ago, that's why I jumped on this article when I saw the subject.
> > I was all ready to correct you...  Not necessary.
> 
> Well, as the poster of the original question, responses seem to have been
> about 50/50.  I could swear during most of the show they said Herbie (I was
> listening specially for this), but near the end I though I heard someone
> (Yukon maybe??) say Hermie.  Maybe everyone hears something different...
> Does someone have a cast of characters in print?? 
>  
Actually, I thought it was Adolph the Elf :)  I guess I'm hard of hearing
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From: wildcat@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Wes Wildcat)
Subject: Re: VALUABLE LESSONS LEARNED FROM TELEVISION
Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:39:51 GMT

In article <BzD24F.Ant@cck.coventry.ac.uk> mei172@cch.coventry.ac.uk (guru) writes:
>guru sez:
>	here's some stuff I learnt from TV:
>
>	
>	It is entirely possible to jump through a plate glass window using
>	only a jacket for protection and not get hurt.
>
>	Bad guys cannot shoot anyone except innocent bystanders, even if 
>	they've got Uzis.
>
>	One shot will kill anyone.
>
>	Bullets are capable of passing through clothes without making a mark 
>	on them.
>
>	All tables will collapse if you fall on them, but not if you stand
>	on them.
>
>	Ditto chairs.
>
>	All drivers on multi-lane highways travel at exactly the same speed
>	and maintain a constant distance from one another. 	
>
>
>	Those are all the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Any more?
>-- 
>      /~~~) /   / /~~~) /   /  		I looked into the future,
>     (___/ (___/ /     (___/    		now my mind's not right.
>        /                      			
>   (___/ mei172@cch.cov.ac.uk  	      Meat Beat Manifesto, Euthanasia.


	How about when there is a car chase through the streets, the police will	have sirens blasting and lights blinking, but no one pulls off to the
	side.
From: WDENNEN@CCVM.sunysb.edu (Bill Dennen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: The Year Without a Santa Claus - Mistake!
Date: 14 Dec 1992 20:29:10 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I think I found a screwup in TYWSC.

When Mother Nature is telling her sons to let is snow/let is be warm, she
makes a mistake.

Specifically, she looks at Heat Miser and says, will you let it be warm one
day in the North Pole.

And tells Freeze Miser, will you let it be cold one day in Southtown.

Both agree,  reluctantly.

Seems to me like she should be talking to the opposite person when saying
these things.

Bill  (wdennen@ccvm.sunysb.edu)
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From: scholl@uvmark.uucp (Kathryn Scholl)
Subject: Re: Eight is Enough question
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 19:28:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: VMARK Software, Inc.

In article fgn@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (frank.g.neves) writes:
>> In article <.mot.com> AVRK90@waccvm.corp.mot.com (Kevin Cox) writes:
>
>> >  In later episodes they mention that she died.  I don't remember
>> >an episode that dealt with her death.  Anyone know what she died of?
>> >Was she just written out of the show or what??
>> 
>This was is kind of fuzzy, but wasn't the actress Diana Hyland, or something
>like that?  She also played a wealthy love interest for Fonzie once.  I
>don't believe she was murdered; I'm pretty sure she had brain cancer or
>something equally horrible -- she died quite young.

And wasn't DH the love interest of John Travolta at the time when she
died?  I think he was fairly serious about her and pretty broken up
about her death.

I have NO idea why I would even remember something like this.


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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: WKRP: What ever happened to Jan Smithers
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:58:41 GMT

What happened (what has she done after the show, what is she doing now  
kinda thing) to Jan Smithers?  She is the woman who played "Bailey" on  
WKRP in Cincinatti.

Thanks,
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail welcome
From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: SKUNK Odor Was: LIFE GOES ON (11/29 COMMENTS)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 01:13:17 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1992Dec7.124830.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec7.093401.27885@newstand.syr.edu>, jfrawley@mothra.syr.EDU (Judy Frawley) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec2.123333.14493@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins) writes:
> STUFF DELETED
> 
>> Tomato Juice (*lots* of it) does work.  We had a labrador retriever
>> that got a little to close to a skunk and got sprayed.  We went
>> through several gallons of tomato juice trying to get the smell
>> out.  It was thoroughly disgusting.  
>More Deleted...
>
>When our cat got sprayed this summer, I asked a professional groomer what
>she uses, and she told me to get a commercial douche!  She said it works
>like a charm.  Should this be crossposted to pets.cats?

When my Muerle Collie was sprayed by a skunk, I didn't have tomato juice
but I did have ammonia. I diluted it a bit and used cotton balls to swab out
the skunk spray. The dog had gotten it full in the face; the skunk juice was
literally dripping off her fur. The ammonia worked really well.

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