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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Subject: Re: Shakeout in PC Industry Continues 
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 01:00:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.161505.23801@newshost.unh.edu> ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

>	Did they say anything about Gateway 2000?  I've got one, so I'm kind
>   of concerned.  Last I knew it seemed they were doing very well.

This article did not mention Gateway specifically, however another article in
the same issue indicated that Gateway placed 70th in the list of top mail
order companies (IBM and DEC are the top computer direct-order vendors).
From all accounts, Gateway, Dell, ALR, and AST are considered to be the
most likely candidates to survive the pricing wars. The remainder will
inevitably abandon the market (Goldstar, Magnavox), become assimilated
(Northgate) or evaporate (Fujikama OA).

Mark

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
Subject: Re: Nolan Bushnell, CDTV, and The Discovery Channel
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 19:50:09 GMT

In article <3295@creatures.cs.vt.edu> lawsons@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Shannon Lawson) writes:
>"Invention" which airs at 9:00 pm Eastern Time on Tuesday nights had a segment
>on Nolan Bushnell tonight.  They gave a brief background, including PONG and
>Chuck E. Cheese, and went on to talk about CDTV.  Yes, it was mentioned by
>name, and the C= logo on the exhibit booth was prominently displayed.  C=
>was presented as the manufacturer of Bushnell's idea.  CDTV motion video was
>displayed, but I wasn't all that impressed.


This is very good news to tell Amiga people!  Nolan Bushness is Atari 
founder and Jack Tramiel is Commodore founder so there is very good
history at Commodore (BEFORE Irving).  Now Amiga users know Atari
engineer Jay Miner making AMAZING Amiga chips.

Millions of Amiga users now know TRUE history of Commodore/Amiga/Atari
so they know Atari Falcon will be good for them and family.



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: danaf@bray1b.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: POLL : NEW MACHINE according to .advocacy 
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:45:49 GMT

Okay... here goes

What do I think Commodore is releasing in September? Nothing! Nothing I've seen
is even remotely ready for release... if Commodore even TRIES to release any
new hardware/software in September, we'll have another Toaster situation on
our hands. If anything comes out, it will be the same A600 they are
currently selling in Europe.

Now, how about another census? When the new hardware/software comes out, what
will it contain? This one, I can answer:

Names: A600, A800, and A4000
CPU  : 68040
Loc. : motherboard, with 200+ pin expansion slot
Flop : 880K, possibly with HD support
HD   : IDE, with 40mb standard on Ax00, 50/100/200 on A4000
Sound: Same, unfortunately. There are no RUMORS of a new Denise even.
OS   : 3.0, in some form
$$$  : 4000 - Cheaper than the A3000 for the same speeds/drive size
       600,800 Under $1000 each, with 2 floppies and a Hard Drive

other: One of the reasons I don't think C= will do anything soon is I HOPE they
       will listen to the users and rewrite Denise to 8- or 16-bit sound. We 
       NEED a new Denise.

I am...
  -Frank Dana, known (718)-(121)-(516) over as Amiuser/Doc Ami!


Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:23025 comp.sys.atari.st:13173
From: dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Your Conscience)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 specs released!  No more rumor...
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:06:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: magnus.1992Sep3.180649.28840
Organization: The Ohio State University

>Just GOTTA get something that will run 3 copies of the
>same paint program!

No, not a "drawing" program, a "line Drawing" program, one that makes lots of 
colorful lines go flying around the screen.

>>(in high-rez color on a graphics board of some type),
>
>Ands the wieght of the falcon didn't even crush the graphics board...
>a very safe paperwieght!

Huh? Oh, wait, sorry, another rabid Amiga user, as can be seen from the line  
below, for a moment I was taking you seriously... Next time you decide to write
something as inane as this, at least try to read the original post, it was 
*not* on a falcon, it was on a Mega-4, which is surely heavy enough to crush 
the graphics board, except that it fits inside the machine, just like most 
graphics boards.

>>a program was loading a GIF
>>in the background,
>
>...on the amiga next door...

{ Lots of absolutely amazingly childish stuff deleted }

>Still, knowing Atari computers, Amiga users probably WILL be very
>happy if this thing gets produced.  We all say C= doesn't advertise
>enough... let's let Atari do it for us...AGAIN!

Why is it that there seem to be a *few* Amiga owners out there who seem like 
they somehow got access to the Net at the age of 12 or so? I suppose there are 
some Atari users out there like this too?

Hmmm... Well, as far as I can tell, MultiTos looks like it multi-tasks as well 
as the Amiga (which, IMHO, is better than the Mac or PC by a long shot). The 
only thing it won't do is Floppy Access while performing other functions, 
however, if the Falcon has this new chip that controls drive access etc, then 
maybe it will even do this? Anyone know?

Oh, I don't get the statement above about C= letting Atari advertise *for* 
them? It makes no sense as far as I can tell, am I missing something, or is 
this poster just missing his sense of humor?
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From: tsarna@endicor.com (Ty Sarna)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:51:34 GMT
Organization: Endicor Technologies, Inc., San Antonio, Texas

In article <1992Aug28.151546.22611@ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> AmigaOS is a real-time OS?  Since when?  What real-time features does it
> have that OS/2 does not?

Since day 1.  "What real time features does it have" is a
semi-nonsequiter.  Something is either real-time or it isn't.  There
isn't much of an inbetween.  Do you understand what makes a realtime OS
different? I'm not trying to be insultiung, it's just that many people
don't understand what realtime means or why you'd want it.

--
Ty Sarna				           tsarna@endicor.com

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:36:44 GMT
 02521.8189@marlin.jcu.edu.au><1992Aug29.210801.13940@pdnfido.fidonet.org> <64989@cup.portal.com>
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <64989@cup.portal.com> by thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan):

> However, 50+ MB of "faces"-format pictures on ftp.uu.net doesn't indicate to
> me ``an obscure file format''; the "faces" format was specifically designed

    Is your viewer available for ftp somewhere? Perhaps you could post
    a sample?
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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason Balicki (KodaK))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: J Miner sleeping w/ Steven Jobs
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:44:06 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <3663@faatcrl.UUCP> ddosch@faatcrl.UUCP (David J. Dosch) writes:
>Rumored release of next generation Atari!
>  Coming soon the Atari Tabby!
>The best of both worlds:
>8. Runs so fast, it completed an infinite loop in 11.7 seconds.
                                                   ------------ 
  Well you had me going up until this point...   Everyone knows that it's
theoreticaly impossible to complete an infinite loop in anything under 15 
seconds.  Gheesh, what a blatent pack of lies.   :)

>-Dave Dosch w/ help from Frank Palmisano-
>(OK.  Maybe I did have some help with the spelling from Dan Quayle)

--Jason Balicki
kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
From: dfisk@level10.UUCP (David Fisk)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: AmigaWorld LIES about Amiga Links
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:11:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: level10.dfisk.01sy
Distribution: world
Organization: Dave's Amiga
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <1992Aug31.094150.7646@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>    In the September 1992 issue of AmigaWorld, Bob Hays writes the following at
> the beginning of a review of Amiga Links:
> 
>    "A DOUBLE RARITY among Amiga games, LINKS (Access Software, $59.95) was
> written for the Amiga, not simply ported from the MS-DOS version, and it has
> a 4096-color HAM-mode display.  As a result, this golf game looks substantially
> better on the Amiga than on a VGA-mode PC."
> 
>     My comments: BULLSHIT!!  BULLSHIT!!  BULLSHIT!!
> 
>     The same company -- Access Software -- has developed Links 386 Pro, a
> version of Links that fully utilizes an SVGA display, with 256 colors out of

Marc, take a tranquilizer here. You are comparing two different products
here. I've looked at Links for the PC and I bought Links for the Amiga. They
are very close in what you get. The VGA version has a little better fine
shading, but the Amiga version is pretty good.

Now if you want to talk about Links 386-Pro, that is a different matter. Yes,
it is an amazing game that needs SuperVGA, 386/33, 4M ram (I beleive) as a
minimum configuration. I would love to have it on my 3000.

Dave...
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jim@lillee.cs.curtin.edu.au (Jim McGrady)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE!
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 10:21:04 GMT

Wow Guys!  This is a nice little war you've got here!

When do you bring out the Nukes ?!? :-)

Jim
From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 22:31:42 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug27.054653.28730@pdnfido.fidonet.org>

In article <1992Aug27.054653.28730@pdnfido.fidonet.org>
bill@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Bill Lanides) writes:

|In article <64630@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes:
|
|>Rather than IFF pix, might I suggest "faces" format?
|
|Faces?? Has anyone here even HEARD of faces???
|JPEG is by far the standard! It's as small as you can get, it's 24-bit, and
|it's made for digitizing thousand color+ images like a human face.

Sheesh.  Like _any_ Amiga can display 24-bits-deep images?

Go ahead, send your 640x480x24 (921 KiloBytes) pictures to Skip and see how
far it gets across the net.
From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 18:29:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.055752.26266@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> gfm@gnu.ai.mit.edu (George Francis McBay) writes:
>
>	I came upon a graphic file that looked like a fax or a really crappy
>paper scan..It included the Commodore letterhead and was in german...This
>is basically what it told:
>
>Amiga 4000 Preliminary:
> 
>CPU: 68040/25 mHz
> 
>Ram:  16 Megabytes Fast Ram/2 Megabytes Chip Ram (On Motherboard)
> 
>Operating System:  Workbench 3.0
> 
>Floppy Drive:  High Density Disk Drive
> 
>Hard Disk:  AT-BUS (IDE)
> 
>Graphic Chips:  AA Chipset
> 
>Other information included built in IO ports, but these seemed no different
>than A2000/3000 ones (Floppy Drive, Video Slot, etc)

Sounds like a nice machine.  Some might complain about IDE, but if it keeps
the price down I'm all for it.  I use a 486-50 with 2 235M IDE drives at 
work and it is at least as fast if not faster than my A3000 with its 200M
Maxtor SCSI drive.  Some have said: "What about a tape drive?"  Then buy a
SCSI controller!  Sheesh, not everyone needs SCSI and it is probably a good
idead for C= to try to keep the prices down considering the competition.

>Fake or real?  Nothing shocking about the specs, probably real, I'd say.
>And before I get blasted by people who think I may be breaking NDA
>
>1) I'm not a developer
>
>2) I have no idea if this is fake or real and is presented for entertainment
>purposes only
>
>3)  There's nothing on there that hasn't been posted to the net already.

If they flame you, just tell 'em to go to hell.  I'm tempted to post the
various articles I've received via email concerning the A4000/A3400.  It
is long and very informative, but I'm not under NDA or such things either.

>	Also included a list price of 3600 DM for a particular model,
>though there may be more than one (with varying Hard Disk space)

If I am doing the conversion right, that should be about $2400.  If that is
the list price, C= may sell lots of the things.  If that is the dealer price
and the list price is something ridiculous like that for the A3000T-040, C=
might as well not even bother.

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu



Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 08:18:01 GMT


In article <1992Aug17.204104.25763@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>
>(I was referring to the A600 not having a socket for the 68881/2,
>because it wouldn't work on a 68000 anyways...)

Problem not with missing 68881 socket. Problem is A600 missing 68030 chip!
>
>: Falcon is AT LEAST 4 X faster than A600 and includes much much much
>: more so price of A600 is very poor value.  Compare to Falcon then
>: A600 should be almost free.
>
>Or at least 1/2 the price.  And it's there.

Sorry people mailed me and said Falcon 32 mhz DSP 20 TIMES faster
than A600 so now 1/2 price divided by 20 == $30 MAX!

Stores in England REFUSING to sell A600 because so many software
breaking.  When A600 starts selling here C= many people will  
complain too. 

>
>: nobody selling cheaps boards for A600 yet?  WHY??
>: IF 1993 comes and no boards come out then A600 is finished.     
>
>Not.  Don't even assume that one little thing will mean the demise of
>the A600 just because it's not cheap enough to make you happy.  People
>will still buy the 600.  And boards DO exist, they just have to come
>down in price, which happens over TIME.  You know, the thing that
>watches keep track of.

TIME?! A600 cannot even keep time because CLOCK NOT INCLUDED!!
Only thing included with A600 is HIGHEST price tag of all game
machines.  No wonder England people refusing to buy A600!

>You shallow idiot.  Nearly EVERY personal computer sold by Apple and
>the A2000/A3000/A3000T have a processor slot.  They've had them for
>years.

You deep dodo! WHERE is direct slot on A600? 


>The point is, only Falcon developers will develop for that "processor
>slot".  PCMCIA cards are being developed by IBM and PC-hardware
>companies as WELL as Amiga developers.

Point is only on you head! vAApor cards not selling so hot!!

>
>See the differnce?  PCMCIA also has a much larger market, which means
>higher sales possibilities, hence more reason to get INTO the market.

C= MUST sell A600 FIRST and smart people not buying it.

>: When you have $700 computer to sell tell everyone specs pleae!
>
>Considering you really have no idea when it will be sold or how much
>it will actually cost, you're AWFULLY confident.

News said $799 LIST PRICE so Falcons will be $700 and lower!!!!


Xref: sparky comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:22619 comp.sys.amiga.misc:13215
From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Commodore meltdown?!
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:56:11 GMT
Organization: 68K Software Development

In article <1992Aug26.074329.14109@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:
>People mailed and said W. Sydnes not fired and still at Commodre!
>WHO knows real truth of Sydnes current affair??

Certainly not you.  As a matter of fact, I'd guess that you don't know
anything.  My opinion, of course.

Glenn Doiron
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From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:34:26 GMT

In article <mykes.0dar@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.175116.4493@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>> In article <Yk5Ar*LT0@caleb.UUCP> jdp@caleb.UUCP (Jim Pritchett) writes:
>> >In article <1992Aug22.042013.16635@kas.helios.mn.org>, Rob Healey writes:
>> >
>> >> 	The 3000T '040 ad in byte this month was sad because it showed
>> >> 	how far behind the times Amiga really is. On one page you
>> >> 	had the 3000T '040 for $5998.00. 5 pages later you have a DELL
>> >> 	33Mhz 486 system that can do more for $2699.00. It's sad really
>> >
>> >I think that the 040 is faster than the 486.  What do you mean by "do more?"
>>
>> More apps, more expansion boards, more colors, more pixels, more HD,
>> more RAM, more...
>>
>
>Since that Dell comes with Win 3.1 and DOS 5 factory installed, more means
>the standard windows applications/accessories that come with - including term
>program, audio digitizing software, midi player, prowrite caliber WP program,
>etc.

Wait, are you saying that little MS Windows Applet called
Write is equivalent to a mainstream Amiga WP???  Whew, I didn't know
it was so bad!  Not that Write is bad, just not meant to be Heavy Duty. :)

>What can you do with an Amiga right out of the box?  Not much.  You can
>edit text files with andy finkel's EMacs (if it's still part of the OS
>distribution)...

Gawd, the first time I called up EMACS, I couldn't do anything with it!
There was lotsa talk about a 'meta' key, but there wasn't one on the
keyboard!  And you sure as hell couldn't QUIT the damn thing - I ended
up killing to process! :-/


>> Skip Sauls
>> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling)
Subject: Tandy's Multimedia CD Player (VIS)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:02:46 GMT

Well, you can't say I didn't try to warn everyone ;-P

Tandy has announced their own home multimedia standard, the "VIS" (Video
Information System), for sale this fall in both Radio Shacks (under the
Memorex label) and other stores.  Tandy will also license their technology
and VIS version of Microsoft Windows to other manufacturers.  Zenith has
already signed up as a second source of VIS units.

Each VIS player will include Compton's Multimedia Encyclopedia.  About
50 publishers have signed up so far to create "over 100 VIS titles."

A VIS unit will have: RF, composite, S-video output.  Stereo output.  IR
handheld remote control.  CD-ROM drive.  Personal memory cartridge slot.
Options so far announced include a second IR unit and a modem.

According to Tandy, VIS can display VGA/MCGA compatible video modes on
televisions, and also has new video modes supporting 16 million colors.
It also has hardware-assisted animation, and can mix CD audio, MIDI and
digital audio waveform output.  They haven't said yet, but I believe
that the first units will be 286-based.  No price announced yet, btw.

kevin <kdarling@catt.ncsu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: tony@ais.org (Tony Poole)
Subject: Re: THIS IS THE PLAN: IFF Database of .advocacy folks (!)
Organization: UMCC
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 04:47:05 GMT

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:

>I don't really care.  I haven't been following this thread.  What's the deal
>here?  Do people want to look their opponents straight in the eye while they
>type their articles?

This is about the fourth time I've heard you use the word "opponent" Jerry.

An earlier article about the quality of your posts declining is right on the
mark.  You *are* starting to bash now.  I actually used to enjoy reading
your articles.  Anymore, I read them, and then say "yeah yeah, same old
Jerry".

I think the prime reason for this is because you're starting to consider
others here your "opponents".  Is this just a big game to you?  Granted,
it's not a life and death get-down-and-get-serious way to spend time.
However, I can only think of two other people right at this time that would
seem to adopt your combative attitude as of late.

You just gotta relax and realize you're not gonna make many people dump
their existing hardware, and, more importantly, the moon isn't gonna collide
with the earth if you don't post a rebuttal to every little Amiga feature
that you think sucks.

Take a deep breath, eh?

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