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From: jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Re: is this the 50th space shuttle launch?
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:46:16 GMT
Reply-To: jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty)
Organization: Robotic Midwives, Ltd.

In article <15763@ksr.com> clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones) writes:
>In article <564@rml.UUCP>, jack@rml (jack hagerty) writes:
>>
>>GT-6 was originally an Agena rendezvous mission that was aborted
>>at T+1 seconds due to an umbilical that came out early (auto shutdown
>>after engine start). It took nerves of steel on the part of Tom
>>Stafford not to hit the ejection button while sitting on top of
>>all those hpergolic propellants!

>GT-6 was scrubbed due to its Agena target failing to achieve orbit.  It was
>recycled as GT-6A, and an attempt was made to launch it 9 days after the launch
>of Gemini 7 (this took fast work, since they used the same pad).  This launch,
>as you say, was aborted after engine start but before liftoff when an umbilical
>shook loose.  While I'm not questioning Stafford's nerves, Wally Schirra was
>the spacecraft commander, and the decision not to abort was his.  Several days
>later, they did launch successfully, and carried out the first space
>rendezvous.  

Thank you for such a politely worded correction!

I was dredging that up directly from 27 year old memory and the two aborts
fused in my mind. Actually, I'm surprised I got as close as I did.

>Stafford never did get to dock
>with an Agena.  He was commander of the Gemini 9 mission, whose Agena also
>failed to achieve orbit.  NASA had prepared for this eventuality, and launched
>a docking target in its place.  THAT target's nose fairing failed to deploy
>properly (the angry alligator), so once again he had to settle for a rendezvous
>with no docking.  

This is where I got confused with Stafford being the commander of GT-6. I
remember this one well (one Agena down, the second Agena down, try again
with the ATDA (Augmented Target Docking Adapter) and they couldn't even
get the shroud to open all the way! I remember there was talk of going
EVA to snip the restraining bands to which, with a typical 14 year old's
enthusiasm, I was shouting "Yeah, do it!" Alas, no Buck Rogers, either :-(

- Jack


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Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
From: glp7584@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gordon Lee Powell Jr)
Subject: Re: Still on the X-30
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:25:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.223615.21246@netlabs.com> lwall@netlabs.com (Larry Wall) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.021252.4459@nntp.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:
>:    [re: SSTO minimal payload]
>:    Sure, the first version of such a vehicle would probably have a small
>: payload capacity. But think about this: the Wright brothers couldn't take
>: much with them, either. Now we have the C5 Galaxy. Think about it. :-)
>THINK about it?  How depressing.  I don't like thinking about things
>that will take 70 years to do, if your analogy holds...

I think the advance of technology is not considered to be a linear
process.  

Perhaps at an exponential rate, it won't take quite that long.

Gordon L. Powell, Jr. '89            glp7584@zeus.tamu.edu (VMS on VAX 9000)
Aero Engr  Texas A&M Univ.           gordon@aero.tamu.edu (D. U. on S. C.)
Oh well, some people can flame in a nitrogen environment.--Les Earnest
From: hollis@titan.ksc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Re : Nice launch view.
Date: 6 Sep 92 15:33:58 EST
Organization: NASA, Kennedy Space Center

Greetings and Salutations:

From: whitten@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
>We would be sitting in the grandstands located at the "press area"
>or along the water where I saw most of the bleachers.

Anywhere in the press site area provides a fairly nice view.  Since it is at
Pad-B, the best view would befrom the MLP parksite, but I don't know if you
could meander over into that area (behind OPF-3 where the workstands are).
Basically anywhere where you can see the pad from is going to be a pretty good
site, you can't get a whole lot closer.
 
-----------------------------------------------
Ken Hollis  INTERNET: HOLLIS@TITAN.KSC.NASA.GOV
            SPAN/HEPnet: KSCP00::HOLLIS

Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
From: tkelso@afit.af.mil (TS Kelso)
Subject: Two-Line Orbital Element Set:  Space Shuttle
Keywords: Space Shuttle, Orbital Elements, Keplerian
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 00:56:14 GMT

The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are
carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when
possible).  Documentation and tracking software are also available on this
system.  As a service to the satellite user community, the most current
elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below.  The Celestial
BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using
8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.

Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation
and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil
(129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space.

STS 47     
1 22120U 92 61  A 92256.65956585 -.00000390  00000-0  00000+0 0    14
2 22120  56.9995 107.3006 0009560 279.4756  80.5384 15.89196901    06
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tkelso@afit.af.mil                    Air Force Institute of Technology
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: New NASA logo?
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:03:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.142523.5252@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David "Fuzzy" Wells) writes:
>[Talk about cool NASA logo deleted]
>
>>And most importantly it kinda reminds me of the old StarTrek logo... :-)
>
>Check out the United States Air Force Space Command logo, which looks
>exactly like the Star Trek logo.



MERE COINCIDENCE?  You decide!



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From: starbuck@ucrmath.ucr.edu (starbuck)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Question
Date: 13 Sep 92 16:51:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, Riverside

Could anyone let me know how to get patches from the different space
shuttle missions.  I was given a couple and passed them onto my daughter
who would like to start a collection.

Aaron Greenwood
email starbuck@ucrac1.ucr.edu
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
From: davecole@cie.uoregon.edu.uoregon.edu (Dave Cole)
Subject: Elsets for Shuttle
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 01:28:50 GMT

  Where can I get orbital elements for this mission????
Dave


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From: cole@SAMSON.phys.virginia.edu
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: More madness
Date: 13 Sep 92 03:35:58 GMT
Reply-To: cole@SAMSON.phys.virginia.edu
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Virginia

And while I'm going on this subject of the deterioration of
NASA Select, let me once again remind the button punching
happy fools at Marshall that we viewers are NOT bored by the
shuttle downlink and do NOT need alternating views of folks 
sitting around consoles when MUCH more interesting scenes
are available.

L.C. Smith
Earlysville, Va.
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
From: doane@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Kent Doane)
Subject: Autoland test cancelled?
Organization: McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Company
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 13:04:10 GMT

I just heard the Autoland test set for STS-53 has been cancelled.  Is this true,
and if it is, what's the scoop as to why?

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Kent Doane                             doane@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Co.

              " these opinions are my own, not my employer's "
From: john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Re: More madness
Date: 15 Sep 92 05:04:45 GMT
Organization: Newave Communications, Ltd, Lake Wobegon, MN

In article <0096087C.8F786F40@SAMSON.PHYS.VIRGINIA.EDU> cole@SAMSON.phys.virginia.edu writes:
> And while I'm going on this subject of the deterioration of
> NASA Select, let me once again remind the button punching
> happy fools at Marshall that we viewers are NOT bored by the
> shuttle downlink and do NOT need alternating views of folks 
> sitting around consoles when MUCH more interesting scenes
> are available.

Devil's advocate--would you like to be on TV during your entire work day?
Would you mind if I video taped your mistakes for later playback?  I would
also like to see more live video from the shuttle, but I also think that
the astronauts deserve to be able to work without being on camera all the
time.

-john-

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Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
From: umteghts@ccu.umanitoba.ca (david teghtsoonian)
Subject: Re: KSC vs Andrew
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 05:01:57 GMT

In <1992Sep3.214625.3304@titan.ksc.nasa.gov> waterman@titan.ksc.nasa.gov writes:

>When Hurricane Andrew hit Florida all four orbiters where at KSC.
>OV-105 (Endeavour) was in the VAB. The other three were tucked
>away inside OPF bays.
>The OPF bays probably would have survived realativly unharmed.
>The VAB more than likely would have sustained damage.


  Uh, I happened to visit KSC 3 days after Andrew and there was quite
definately a shuttle parked on 39B with the service structure clamped
around it. Was it moved to the pad only after Andrew had safely passed?
Is the Shuttle/Service Structure/Launch Pad designed to handle hurricane
force winds? Or do they pull the plugs and move it back to the VAB if
a hurricane threatens? (wouldn't this take at least a day?)

-Curt
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
From: davem@ee.ubc.ca (david michelson)
Subject: Re: is this the 50th space shuttle launch?
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:46:57 GMT

>This is not so unusual: Also Gemini 7 was launched before Gemini 6 in Dec 65.
 
> Hartmut Frommert, Physics, Univ of Constance

Actually, the modified mission was called Gemini 6A to avoid any confusion
with the original Gemini 6 mission plan.       
 
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davem@ee.ubc.ca
From: slb@slced1.nswses.navy.mil (Shari L Brooks)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: AFSPACECOM logo (was Re: New NASA logo?)
Date: 9 Sep 92 23:57:09 GMT
Organization: Naval Satellite Operations Center, Point Mugu, CA, USA

In article <1992Sep3.180339.16250@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary 
l. schroeder) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.142523.5252@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu 
>(David "Fuzzy" Wells) writes:

>>[Talk about cool NASA logo deleted]

[attribution lost :(  ]

>>>And most importantly it kinda reminds me of the old StarTrek logo... :-)

>>Check out the United States Air Force Space Command logo, which looks
>>exactly like the Star Trek logo.

>MERE COINCIDENCE?  You decide!

Ha.  The Air Force Space Command letterhead has, on the bottom (a footer of
sorts), their slogan:  "Guardians of the High Frontier".  I think they put
it there just in case you might be actually considering of thinking of the
logos' similarity as a coincidence...

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Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space
From: ardalan@astrosun.aero.org (Shadan M. Ardalan)
Subject: Launch order (was: is this the 50th space shuttle launch?)
Keywords: Voyager 
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:41:03 GMT

In article <BuDHzK.6q8@unx.sas.com> sasdhb@lizard.unx.sas.com (Doug Brann) writes:
>
>In article <1992Sep10.152507.19177@unocal.com>, stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:
>>
>>The LA Times said so.
>>But I see the number sts-47 used here.
>>How many have actually been launched so far?
>
>This is the 50th shuttle mission.  The STS numbers do not match the number
>of missions.  The numbers are assigned when the mission is planned and due
>to delays and schedule changes the STS numbers became out of order.  For 
>example STS-50 was the Columbia Microgravity Lab a couple of months back and
>was the 48th shuttle mission. The Voyager's were not launched in order either.

The numbering of the Voyager's was not based on launch order....
Instead, NASA based their numbering on their trajectories.......
Here`s what I`m talking about....................................

Voyager 1 was launched on September 1977......(i.e., launched second)
Voyager 2 was launched on August 1977.........(i.e., launched first)

BUT......

Voyager 1 arrived at Jupiter on March 1979....(i.e., arrived first)
Voyager 2 arriver at Jupiter on July 1979.....(i.e., arrived second)

Pretty neat, huh :-)....

Shadan M. Ardalan
ardalan@astrosun.aero.org

P.S. BTW, they also arrive at Saturn in that order....
     Source: NASA Facts regarding the Voyager Mission
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
From: tkelso@afit.af.mil (TS Kelso)
Subject: Two-Line Orbital Element Set:  Space Shuttle
Keywords: Space Shuttle, Orbital Elements, Keplerian
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:58:21 GMT

The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are
carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when
possible).  Documentation and tracking software are also available on this
system.  As a service to the satellite user community, the most current
elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below.  The Celestial
BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using
8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.

Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation
and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil
(129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space.

STS 47     
1 22120U 92 61  A 92258.25000000  .00075928  00000-0  25599-3 0    72
2 22120  56.9999  99.9735 0008844 286.2039 176.6558 15.89394833   261
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tkelso@afit.af.mil                    Air Force Institute of Technology
From: tkelso@afit.af.mil (TS Kelso)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Two-Line Orbital Element Set:  Space Shuttle
Keywords: Space Shuttle, Orbital Elements, Keplerian
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:10:09 GMT
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology

The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are
carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when
possible).  Documentation and tracking software are also available on this
system.  As a service to the satellite user community, the most current
elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below.  The Celestial
BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using
8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.

Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation
and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil
(129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space.

STS 47     
1 22120U 92 61  A 92258.25000000  .00075928  00000-0  25599-3 0    72
2 22120  56.9999  99.9735 0008844 286.2039 176.6558 15.89394833   261
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tkelso@afit.af.mil                    Air Force Institute of Technology
From: taylors@hubcap.clemson.edu (C. Taylor Sutherland III)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Re: Beware! "Discovery" mockup is really ISF
Date: 7 Sep 92 19:46:18 GMT
Organization: Clemson University

petej@phred.UUCP (Peter Jarvis) writes:

>In article <BtvFrF.38F@spock.dis.cccd.edu> markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby) writes:
>>Last week while on vacation in Seattle, my wife & I attended the Home Show,
>>which was heavily advertised as having a "full-scale mockup of the space 
>>shuttle Discovery".  What we actually found was a full-scale mockup of the
>>Industrial Space Facility, plus some NASA exhibits..........
>>
>>I'm not sure why this stuff is being displayed at a home-improvement show.  We
>>found some flyers that clearly said "space shuttle Discovery".........
>>-- 
>>Mark Bixby                         Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu

>I also heard this from a friend of mine at work. (I live in the area).
>Obviously someone doesn't know what he's talking about or they are hard
>up to get people to the home show. 

>However, if you want to see some pretty good Shuttle mockups, visit the
>Space and Rocket Center in Huntsville, Alabama. There *is* a full scale
>Enterprise mockup there along with partials of the Columbia, Atlantis
>and Endeavour. Outside is the original Pathfinder Shuttle mounted on an
>ET with two SRB's strapped to it. Pathfinder was the first "Shuttle" made
>for tooling and fitting purposes.

The Pathfinder there is a mockup.  I was there when it was being built.

>Peter Jarvis............

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Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
From: cole@THEORY.phys.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: More madness
Reply-To: cole@THEORY.phys.virginia.edu
Organization: Dept. of Physics, University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:00:22 GMT

>Devil's advocate--would you like to be on TV during your entire work day?
>Would you mind if I video taped your mistakes for later playback?  I would
>also like to see more live video from the shuttle, but I also think that
>the astronauts deserve to be able to work without being on camera all the
>time.
>
>-john-
So instead we watch the flight controllers in Houston and scientists in 
Huntsville...don't they deserve to work without being on camera all the time?
What about the Apollo astronauts who were constantly falling down and ripping
cables out of experiments on the moon...should we not have seen that?
Besides, my work day isn't costing the taxpayers 100 million dollars a day.
Shuttle TV is designed to be taxpayer PR.  My only complaint is that Huntsville,
unlike JSC, exercises rather random and arbitrary editorial control and
will often yank the picture away just when something interesting is going on.

L.C. Smith
Earlysville, Va.
From: jarrell@vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Ok, what would I expect from going to see sts-47?
Date: 10 Sep 92 07:54:43 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA


Some friends and I are here at one of the disney world hotels in orlando
on vacation.. It occurs to us that if things continue smoothly we could
potentialy blow off a day at disney and drive out capewards to see sts
47 launch..

However, we have no real clue what to expect.  How close would we
reasonably expect to be able to get, starting "cold" as it were the day
before the launch.. How much could we see from disney world, if we
stayed here? What's the traffic like?  

I'd hate to devote a day to driving only to find the closest I'm
going to get is 30 miles away on the expressway..

	
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Virginia Tech Computing Center
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Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: is this the 50th space shuttle launch?
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:25:07 GMT


The LA Times said so.
But I see the number sts-47 used here.
How many have actually been launched so far?
From: btbg1194@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bradley T Banko)
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Subject: Re: Autoland test cancelled?
Date: 15 Sep 92 17:40:19 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

In article <1992Sep15.151601.24638@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> begley%lock.dnet@jesnic.jsc.nasa.gov (Mike Begley) writes:
>In article <1992Sep15.130410.21532@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
>doane@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Kent Doane) writes:
>>I just heard the Autoland test set for STS-53 has been cancelled.  Is this
>true,
>>and if it is, what's the scoop as to why?
>
>I have the impression that crew opposition and opposition from 
>General Pearson (?) led to its cancellation.  The General's
>feelings were that it would be okay for an emergency, but the
>crew should handle any nominal landing, the opposite of what the
>system was designed for.

They need to test it some time, don't they?  How else are they going
to know how much they can rely on it in an emergency?

>
>I also heard a proposition that fresh pilots might be flown up to
>Freedom to fly back an orbiter which had been docked to SSF for
>90 days.  That would involve 2 orbiters in space at the same time.

That sounds unrealistically complicated to me.  You have to assume in
planning that one day there will be astronauts who have been on orbit
long enough that they can't handle a manual landing of the shuttle, but
that they need to get back down with no other way than the shuttle.

>This would eliminate the worry of having a pilot who has been in
>wieghtlessness for 3 months have to handle the landing.  I suppose
>that in an emergency, an ACRV would have to have ... AUTOLAND!  :-)
>
>

Brad Banko

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