From: mvishnu@bcr3.uwaterloo.ca (Meenan Vishnu)
Subject: Re: "...kt"   --- mystries of the unexplained
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:51:51 GMT

In article <5207@gos.ukc.ac.uk> rmv@ukc.ac.uk (raj) writes:
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>In a previous article, narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana) says:
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>>A.L. Bhasham in his book "Wonder that India was" writes
>>that the aboriginal Tamils of the Pandya, Chera, and Chola 
>>regions were fierce warriors, and they used to fight wars
>>among themselves out of hatred for one another. The author
>>specifically mentions that after each war these people 
>>used to conduct "cannibalistic festivals" to celebrate
>>victories. There is an edict of emperor Ashoka that he
>>brought righteousness to the Pandya, Chera, and Chola 
>>country.
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>>What are these cannibalistic festivals? Were there any
>>Tantric rituals that these cannibals used to practice
>>in those rituals. Are there any pointers to the exact
>>ritual (the sources and their authentic translations,
>>preferably not the Tamil scholars).
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>>...kt
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>It seems to be a fashion to concentrate in defamation of the rich cultures esp
>among the neighbours. We have witnessed many  "educated" people displaying
>their abysmal ignorance/shameful deliberate misintepretation. But now
>we also come across a person who stuffs his own words and ideas into an 
>authors mouth. 
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>       As talking facts seems to be obsolete, I like to re-introduce this
>habit to those who have long forgotten this.
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>"Asoka(the Great) Emperor of India (270 - 230 B.C), grandson of Chandragupta,
>founder of Maurya Dynasty."
>          ----  "A populsr dictionary of Buddhism" by Chirstmas Humphreys,pg36
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>"Even in the first century of the Christian ere the south seems to have felt
>little influence from the Aryan culture of Nothern India."
>            ----  The Cambride History of India, volume 1 Ancient India,pg 596
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>"The apex of the peinsula was occupied by the ancient Dravidian kinngdoms
>of the SAtiyaputas, the ChEras, the ChOlas and the PAndyas. With these
>independent nations Ashoka's relations were merely such as might be expected
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>to exist between friendly powers."
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>            ----  The Cambride History of India, volume 1 Ancient India,pg 515
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>the letter which had a dash on top in the book are written in capital
>(as you cannot type "over" scored letters :-(((  ) 
>"Asoka's edicts are in the nature of official pronouncements of policy, and
>instructions to to his officers and subjects. They contain many personal
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>touches, and the drafts were probably composed by the emperor himself.
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>   In Asoka's own words:
>        "When the King, Priyadarsi, Beloved of the Gods, had been consecrated
>	eight years, Kalinga was conquered. 150,000 people were thence taken
>	captive,  100,000  were killed, and many more died. Just after the
>	taking of Kalinga the Beloved of the Gods began to follow
>	Righteousness, to love Roughteousness, to give instructions in
>	Roughteousness. When an unconquered country is conquested, people are
>	killed, they die, or are made captive. That the Beloved of the Gods
>	finds very pitiful and grievous .... Today, if a hundredth or
>	thousandth or thousandth part of those who suffered in Kalinga were
>	killed, to die, or to ke taken captive, it would be very grievous to
>	the Beloved of the Gods. If anyone does him wrong it will be forgiven
>	as far as it can be forgiven. The Beloved of the Gods is not only
>	compassionate, he is also powerful, and he tells them to repent, lest
>	they slain. For the Beloved of the God desires safety, self-control,
>	justice and happiness for all beings. The beloved of the Gods
>	considers that the greatest of all victoriesis the victory of
>	Righteousness, and that [victory] the Beloved of the Gods has already
>	won, here and on all his borders, even 600 leagues away in thje realm
>	of the Greek king Antiyoka, and beyond Antiyoka among the four kings
>	Turamaya, Antikini, Maga and Alikasudara, and in the South among
>	the COlas and PAndyasand as far as Ceylon"
>            ----  "The Wonder that  was India"   by A.L.Basham pg 53 - 55
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>    To start with this only says that Asokas princeiple of "righteousness"
>were also accepted by others. Ie not to conquer other countries. 
>To interpret this as if Asoka brought "righteousness" to "cannibal
>Chola ect"  one needs a wild  immaginateive mind obsessed with defamation.
>          Again the author himsel suggests that this seems to be the words
>of Asoka himsef (rather than an unbiased independent record of truth).
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>      I DEFY "...kt" TO QUOTE THE PAGE NUMBER OF THE BOOK AND THE EXACT WORDS
>AS APPEARS IN THE BOOK WICH SAYS  THAT "aboriginal tamils of Chola etc"
>CELEBRATED  "cannibalistic festivals". I have the book & browsed through the
>whole book. There seems to be no such evidence. 
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>           It is possible that "...kt" had a dream & the author told him
>secretly ;-))
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>Ok . Now let us see what kind of person Asoka was , to take his words as
>gospals.  Again I am only quoting from the same book ;-))
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>"Asoka of the Buddhist legends is, in the words of a 19 centuary authority,
> 'half monster and half idiot', his humanity and practical benevolence
> overlaid by accretion of monkish legends of later century; "
>            ----  "The Wonder that  was India"   by A.L.Basham pg 58
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>  "Asoka was by no means an other-worldly dreamer, but every inch a king,
>  a little naive, often rather self-righteous and pompous....."
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>            ----  "The Wonder that  was India"   by A.L.Basham pg 58
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>NOTE the word pompous !!!!
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>"Despite his remorse at the conquest of Kalinga, he was too much a realist to
>restore it to its original ruler, whoever they may have been, and he continued
>to govern it as an integral part of his empire".
>            ----  "The Wonder that  was India"   by A.L.Basham pg 56
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>An obvious evidence of hypocracy !!!
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>              Now I leave things to the readers intelectual capability
>to come to a conclusion.
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>                         raj

This is an excellent collection of facts.  Thank you for taking the time
to go through these material.

For a long time, kt has attempted to glorify the "Aryan" culture by
defaming the indigenous cultures of India.  His main problem is Tamil.
If it is not for continued existence of this "damn" language, kt and
other Aryan supremacist could decalre Indian culture to be of
100% Aryan origin.

It is a well established truth that the indigenous works of Tamil
(such as aha-naanopoRu and pura-naanooru, thirukkuRaL etc) are
infinitely more civilized than the Vedas and their follow-ups.  
However, kt and other Aryan supremacists want to prove (in vain)
that indigenous Tamils have the same problem as the Vedic people
such as purusha-medha yaaga, aswa-medha yaaga and its wild bestiality
ritual involving the queen and the horse etc.

Other sickening practices of Aryan descendants are mentioned in a
French book written by Abber du Baise.  Abber was a missionary worker
in India and he wrote that during his time the Namboodhiris had a
strange practice:
if a young girl dies before her marriage, a person is hired to perform 
sexual intercourse with the corpse of the young girl before cremating
it.  Thiruvalluvar also mentions this in his chapter on 
"varavin mahaLir (prostitutes)".  Kathiravan wrote about what he
saw (and read) in an Australian museum where it was recorded that 
in Namboodhiri weddings, the bride is forced to sleep with the
officiating Bramin on the first day so that the family may 
achieve liberation (yea liberation !).

kt and other Aryan supremacists want to reduce the Tamil culture to a
comparably degraded level as his Vedic culture is.   But the world has
just begun to look at Tamils' civilized works of literature and culture
with more care. 

Long live Tamil,

Meenan Vishnu




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