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From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek,rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Don't buy a dish, miss out on ST:TNG, and see if I care
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:20:42 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland
In-reply-to: rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk's message of 11 Sep 92 16:31:54 GMT

In article <BuF9x7.3vD@csc.liv.ac.uk> rkl@csc.liv.ac.uk (Richard Lloyd) writes:

   I sense a bit of "I don't own a dish, therefore I'm superior" attitude
   (check out the disgraceful Sam Brady on ITV's weekend teletext pages - he
   has the same views as you). In fact, you are missing out on some "extra"
   TV (yes, a lot of is crap, but then so is a lot of BBC 1 and ITV
   nowadays).

We should watch satellite TV because some other channels are also crap?
Sorry, I don't agree.  Far simpler, more enjoyable, and cheaper to stop
watching BBC1 and ITV.
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From: sphillip01@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Relative to ?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 11:20:46 GMT

Speed of light, ships back to back ... Would someone care to explain what LIGHT
travels relative to ? The centre of the universe ? Earth :) ? Students of a 
rival University ?


Trevor Phillips
sphillip01@cc.curtin.edu.au

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From: steve@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Steven Glinberg)
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Subject: Re: 'The Next Phase' Question + more qsts
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:39:00 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

In TNG episode 'The Next Phase,' how come Geordi and Ro are able to pass 
through everything, yet they can't go through floors?  You would think that 
when Ro was running, the stomping of her feet would cause something to 
happen.
 
This episode had many other unexplainable occurences, but this is the only 
one I can clearly remember  
 
And.......
How do they breath, ride turbo-lifts, set the phaser on the floor
at their party....... and most thought provoking...
What if anything will ever stop the flying Romulan.  Will we see him in a 
future episode haunting us?...A movie maybe in ten years...

Oh well, just a few thoughts to add
sg
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From: jwindley%asylum.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: The Federation and cloaking tech...
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:15:35 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

singley@helix.nih.gov (Erick Singley) writes:
>Cloaking and the deflector screen must at least work together else they
>wouldn't be able to fly warp and cloak.  Shields are an extension of the
>defector (in part.. arn't they? Drek.. where's that Tech manual....) and
>should work? Right?

Unfortunately the Okuda and Sternbach manual mentions absolutely
nothing about cloaking devices.  I don't remember any canonical
explanation of the cloaking device which gives us enough information
to decide whether it can work in concert with the shields.

It is plausible to claim that shields and cloaks are fratricidal, but
I don't think this is a necessity.  From a tactical standpoint there
would be little advantage to cloaking in battle.  Even a near miss by
a photon torpedo would be devastating, and we've seen the ability of
Federation starships to fire salvos of torpedoes in separate flight
paths, one of which is likely to detonate close enough to the target.

I think it's reasonable to conclude that the Romulans and the Klingons
have found a way to simultaneously cloak and shield their ships.
Whether one is an extension of the other is just something we don't
have enough information to decide canonically.
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From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Cloaking device and the Fed.
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:05:36 GMT
Organization: Aston University

john@newave.newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes:
: In article <1537@seqp4.sequoia.com> ajm@seqp4.sequoia.com (A.J.Madison) writes:
: > In article <1992Sep3.152056.14571@news.unomaha.edu>, tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo) writes:
: > > Also, the UFP is not a military organization, so there would
: > > not be a logical need for a cloaking device if they are strictly an 
: > > exploratory organization.
: 
: Actually, there seems to be no end to the usefullness of a cloaked ship.
: If for no other reason, for observing new races/cultures without them knowing
: that you are watching.  It is pretty hard to disquise a ship in orbit any
: other way.

The standard shields on a UFP ship can render the ship radar and optically 
invisible.
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From: carlosn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Carlos G. Niederstrasser)
Subject: Re: The Next Phase: Question
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton Planetary Society
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:56:06 GMT

mhampsch@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Mark Hampsch) writes:
>If Geordie(sp!) an Ro can walk through walls and equipment,  What keeps them
>from falling through the floor?  

For some insight to a very similar situation I highly reccomend
_Mercycle_ by Piers Anthony.  In it his characters are also phased.
Obviously there are some differences, they can walk through objects as
in the ST episode, but they can be seen by others as well (opening some
interesting ghost options)  The main argument (returning to the
question) as to why they don't fall through the floor is that there is
also a 'phased' floor in their world.  A bit weak, but it works...

			Carlos


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From: KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Relative to ?
Date: 6 Sep 92 20:13:51 GMT
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Sep6.202046.1@cc.curtin.edu.au>, sphillip01@cc.curtin.edu.au
says:
>
>Speed of light, ships back to back ... Would someone care to explain what
>LIGHT
>travels relative to ? The centre of the universe ? Earth :) ? Students of a
>rival University ?

The speed of light in vacuum is a _constant_, independent of the motion of
any observer.  This has been "known" since the Michelson-Morley experiment
in 1887 (?), and is one of the postulates of both special and general
relativity.  The value of c, in SI units is 299 792 458 m/s -- if someone
experimentally measures the spped of light more accurately, the length of
the meter will have to be adjusted :-)

What _does_ change with regard to light, depending on the observer's speed,
is the _frequency_.  This is the famous Doppler shift, which you can observe
in sound (the pitch of a train whistle or car engine is higher when the
vehicle is approaching you, and lower when it is receding).  For light,
there is a relativistic Doppler shift due to motion both along the line of
sight, and perpendicular to it.  However, even though two observers (with
some velocity relative to each other) observe different frequencies for the
same light source, they still measure the *same* speed of light.

                                           -- Mike Kelsey
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From: petitc@nuge105.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Jon Petit)
Subject: Re: Cloaking device and the Fed.
Reply-To: petitc@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:04:11 GMT

In article <1089@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov>, jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes:
|> evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans) writes:

|> >The standard shields on a UFP ship can render the ship radar and optically 
|> >invisible.
|> 
|> To radar yes.
|> To optics no.

  Why would it render it invisible to radar and NOT to optics?  They're both
E-M radiation, just at different freqencies.  And we KNOW the shields keep out
X-Rays, so unles there is a deliberate "window" in the visible range (Not
Bloody Likely), the ship _has_ to be invisible (or at least a black sphere, or
whatever shape the shields are in).
 
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From: carter@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Carter Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Binars and the Borg
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 21:28:00 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <7SEP199200330391@rosie.uh.edu> chem8w@rosie.uh.edu (Norby) writes:
>It seems to me there is a major difference between the Borg and the Binars.
>The Binars are humanoids that are for the most part, individuals. (Except it
>would seem they are always in pairs...)  They have a symbiotic relationship
>with their central computer, which they can not live without.
>
>On the other hand, the Borg are humanoid/computer -- Cyborgs (I think someone
>picked a painfully obvious name for the race.)  They are basically one mind
>and do not depend on their computer, rather they ARE the computer.

Of course, let's not forget the most important.  The Binars don't seem to
go 'round "assimilating" folks!

Carter R. Bennett, Jr. - Scientist      No matter where you go...
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From: t0e0078@tamsun.tamu.edu (Terje Eggestad)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Cloaking device and the Fed.
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:22:26 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

For the sake of this argument I will join the fraction that claims that the 
feds don't use the clocking device because the feds are a peaceful 
organisation. If you think about it the quote "peace through superior
fire power" (the automated salesman on Milos 'Arsenal of Freedom') only
applies iff (if and only if) the opposition have knowledge of the existence
of your weapons and a rough idea of its capability and quantum.
If they didn't they might attack in since you seem to be a sitting duck,
and you find you self in a war that you didn't want.
If the feds should get into a war after all, I'm sure the Klingons would
be more than happy to take an active part.


In the discussion of the feasability of a cloaking device, hear this:

You can not:
-:  Use any for of an long range active sensor, remember that these radiate
(Big E uses these)
-:  use a navigational deflector, it radiate.


-: and worse a cloak works by allowing all radiation pass thru indisturbed
and, since all passive sensors work by absorbing radiation, you will be 
seriously blinded. An antenna don't absorb much energy but it will 
disturb the radiation patter severly, and would be easily detectable.

Terje

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From: CXMP000 <CXMP@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>
Subject: Re: Warp 10+
Organization: McGill University
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:27:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.220458.27999@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> bbohac@nyx.cs.du.edu (bbohac) writes:
>In article <8ef1CM600VouAmIlF2@andrew.cmu.edu> Chad Adam <ca25+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> The "transwarp" drive system, in theory, could cruise at warp 12 and
>>attain warp 14 in an emergency, morever, the NCC-1701-A mounted
>>transwarp engines.  The "sub-space radio" that is used in the movies
>>travels on a beam at warp 15.  It is only because of the non-newtonian
>>space, where physical constants don't exist, that these vessels can
>>cruise at these unbelieveable speeds.  The warp equation itself
>>(courtesy of Tech manuals) suggests that the vessels can travel many
>>times that of the speed of light.  Each warp factor, when cubed, shows
>>the number of times beyond the speed of light.  Warp 1 would be 1 times
>>c, Warp 2 would be 8 times c....etc.
> True as this may be, there are inherint inconsistencies in this
>"formula".  I agree, from my experience with the star trek universe (Old
>Generation), that a warp factor is the equivalent multiple of c, cubed
>(c being the speed of light in a vacuum).  Therefore warp 15 would be 3375
>times faster than the speed of light in a vacuum.  Consider this:
>Alpha Centauri (spelling?) is a triple star 4.3 light years from our sun,
>Sol.  It is the closest stellar body known to us presently (and we
>would know of any others - except perhaps of Nemisis... but I digress).
>A ship, or communications beam, or whatever, travelling at 3375 times
>light speed (warp 15, Old Generation) would take .001274 years, or
>11.16 hours (using 365 days/years, and 24 hrs/day) to reach from Sol
>to Alpha Centauri.  The next closest star is Sirius at 7.8 light years,
>and after that the stars get much farther.  The Enterprise was, I THINK
>(correct me on this) on average, much farther than 100 light years from
>Sol (Earth) - ergo, StarFleet Command - and yet it communicated
>virtually instantaneously with SFC.
> What thinkest thou?

How's this: before the Enterprise goes into warp, it's travelling at
relativistic speeds and there is time dilation.  This time dialation
continues to occur when they go into warp and Spock gives the ETA
based on both their current warp speed and their speed when they go
into warp.

Meanwhile, in ">something< Tomorrow" (the one with the glowing spheres),
Kirk asks how long the message he sends will take to reach Starfleet
and Uhura gives the time in months.

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From: eektl@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Kenneth T Leong)
Subject: relative speed
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 23:43:56 GMT

If two starships were back to back and then both raced off at warp 10,
would the speed of one starship relative to the other be double? If so,
could this relative speed be acheived as an actual speed by a single
starship?


eektl@marlin.jcu.edu.au
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:49:15 EDT
From: <ACS110@psuvm.psu.edu>
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Subject: Re: Vger:TMP

    You have answered your own question. The cloud (or Warp Field in
technical terms) was 84 au's-- larger than the solar system. As Vger
entered the system the cloud disipated. Vger itself was only half the
size of the moon.
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From: rau@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Drau)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Cloaks and Shields
Keywords: cloak
Date: 15 Sep 92 16:42:08 GMT
Organization: Fredonian Computer Network

In article <1992Sep14.193927.13833@ultb.isc.rit.edu> smt1179@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes:
>
Main body of text deleted
>
>By the way, the E-D runs with shields always at 2% power to shorten warmup
>time and assist the navigational delfector in sweeping away interstellar dust
>and gas that would rapidly erode the hull at high velocity.  A cloaked ship,
>being unable to run with shields, should suffer from rapid deterioration
>of hull surfaces and exposed sensor elements.
>

	So that's why Klingon ships always look so shi*ty!  Romulan warbirds
must have better cloaks which allow _some_ deflection, because their "hit me,
i'm here" green paint jobs are always perfect.

- Drau 
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From: swindley@elec.uq.oz.au (Robert Swindley)
Subject: star-streak
Summary: how fast do you need to be going for the stars to streak
Keywords: warpspeed
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:52:31 GMT

I'm new to the news net and not sure where everything is, but I have
noticed a lot of talk on the Warp factors and the speed of the Enterprise

I wish to know whether those streaks you see when the ship is travelling
are actually stars blurred by the speed, and if so why don't one of you smart
trekkies work out how fast they would have to be going in order for stars to
go past them at such a rate...

ta much
     The Chengster

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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Subject: Re: what is the significance of 11001001 in "11001001"
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:43:38 GMT

> I was wondering what the significance was of the binary number 11001001 on
> the episode "11001001".  Any CS major will tell you that this number equals
> 201 in ordinary decimal.  
>
> In the story, Picard and William are frantically trying to guess the
> filename to restore the binar's main computer and Picard points at the 
> unconscious Binars and says "Would they have kept it *that* simple?"
> Well I was expecting him to guess "four" as in the number of binars 
> laying on the floor (00000100 in an eight digit binary or byte) but then
> they come up with 201? what the hell?
> Any ideas, is it really simple?

One of the binars was named 11 his partner 00. Another binar was named
10 and his partner 01. Makes sense to me!

11001001

Is is 201 in decimal as you pointed out, but I doubt that counts for anything.
From: crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Satalite uplink dates
Date: 14 Sep 92 00:46:09 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In <1992Sep12.171604.19001@pool.info.sunyit.edu> ueh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (Eric Hausgaard) writes:

> Does anyone know when Fox broadcasting uplinks ST:TNG (Sundays, I think)
>And do you know what satalite and channel.
>I want to see if I can catch it for a class....
>L8R
>Eric H

First of all, ST:TNG and Fox have nothing to do with each other.  ST:TNG is
syndicated.  That means that any station can buy the rights to show it.  It
is true, however, that many Fox stations have chosen to show ST:TNG, but
the agreement is between the individual stations and Paramount.

The new episodes are first available on satelite T1 on channel 09 every
Saturday at 6:00pm Eastern.  This next Saturday will be "Time's Arrow" part II.

I've heard that some station that carries ST:TNG is also available via
satellite.  I don't know anything about this possible re-broadcast.

I've noticed that many stations are now showing re-runs of previous seasons.
I suspect that these are not sent to the stations via satellite due to the
cost, though I'm not certain.

--PC
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From: rpascazi@engws9.ic.sunysb.edu (Robert R Pascazio)
Subject: Re: relative speed
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 14:47:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.234356.7906@marlin.jcu.edu.au> eektl@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Kenneth T Leong) writes:
>If two starships were back to back and then both raced off at warp 10,
>would the speed of one starship relative to the other be double? If so,
>could this relative speed be acheived as an actual speed by a single
>starship?
>
>
>eektl@marlin.jcu.edu.au 

This just goes back to the theory of relativity. The accelerated speeds
do not effect the physical phenomena. This is because (I think) warp is
actually light speed (warp 9 being 90 percent the speed of light). What
warp technology is, is the creation of an anti-mass and anti-inertial
field. This allows accelerations close to the speed of light with 
neglegible (not logrithmic at least) increase in power consumption. 

If the observer from starship A took measurments of starship B every
once in a while, it would appear the starship is moving away faster
than warp 10. This is because the light(probably need subspace detection
equipment here) would take longer to reach B as A moves off. In actual
distance though, if information could move instantaneousely the other
ship would suffer from relativistic effects and appear to slow an never
exceed warp 10. 

					-Rob-

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From: max@west.darkside.com (Erik Max Francis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Twin paradox
Date: 12 Sep 92 19:37:24 GMT
Organization: The Dark Side of the Moon +1 408 245 SPAM

Rannou@info.polymtl.ca (Patrick Rannou) writes:

> So, they both accelerate and feel and acceleration, of course.
> 
> The question is: Will they have aged the same way?

Yes, they will.

Now here's another one:  Same situation, but the accelerations of the two 
ships, A and B, are slightly different, so that A arrives at Earth 
_before_ B.  Now which one is younger when reaching Earth:  A or B?

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