From: thyat@sdf.lonestar.org (Tom Hyatt)
Subject: Re: A positive agenda from conservatives (was Re: Clinton's plan )
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 09:10:46 GMT

In article <16k282INN4sk@agate.berkeley.edu> labc-1ad@e260-3g.berkeley.edu (Eric van Bezooijen) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.233833.992@igor.tamri.com> donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug11.214304.12559@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
>>writes:
>>>	And before you flay me on being a hypocrite on gun control, I
>>>do not believe in banning guns. Just in having a nationwide system of
>>>gun permits and essentially instant checks on the validity of one when
>>>one purchases guns or ammo. The system would be computerized and
>>>denials of permits would be open to challenge (to help take care of
>>>bureaucratic snafus). The system would be very much like driver's
>>>licenses, which no one calls a threat to freedom. Or is it? :-)
>>
>>Sorry, I don't believe that gun "permits" are a good idea.  I don't need
>>a permit to execute any of my other rights; why should I need one to own
>             ^^^^^^^        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>a gun?
>
>Not true.  Examples :
>
>Freedom of speech.  In Berkeley, you need a permit to have an amplified 
>speaker for the use of speaking.  This is what the religious loonies use
>around here to get their word out to the masses.  A good law, in my opinion,
>but still a permit.
>

A clarification here: The loudspeaker permit is not destined to limit freedom
of speech, or even regulate it.  That permit requirement (similar ones are
present in other municipalities as well) is for noise pollution regulation.
There are several venues that would not require said  permits. For example, 
holding the rally inside doors.



>Freedom to protest.  If you want to start a major protest in a city, you bet
>you better get permission/a permit first.  Examples : Gays and lesbians 
>joining a parade here in the Bay Area, neo-nazis walking though the city, etc.
>Cities are not going to let you start something that needs to be controlled
>in order not to cause chaos without you getting permission first.
>


The permits are there for parades (or other organized marches) only. City
elders usually like people to let them know if they are going to take over
one of their streets for a period of time. Rerouting traffic, crowd control,
etc. you know.....
However, simply organizing a protest (example: various pro/con abortion 
assemblies) doesn't require any regulation, other than possible restraining
orders, tresspassing rules, etc.



>Freedom of the press.  Do you think you can print anything you like ?  Of
>course not.  Examples: Pornography, covering wars, libel.
>
>
If the printed word are not libelous (the deliberate printing of lies to damage
another), then anything in the printed word arena is fair game.  In wartime,
press coverage is sometimes limited in the interest of security. Public
knowledge of troop position/strength and battle plans aren't exactly wise.
As for pornography, the limitations are as follows: 1) No photographic kiddie
porn or other violent matter ("snuff" films). 2) Limitation of sale of said
materials to keep them out of the hands of minors. However, there are members
of the religious organizations trying to remove _ALL_ adult material from 
general availability. Also, there are regulations within several municipalities
limiting where one can sell said materials for zoning purposes. But this story
probably belongs in alt.censorship......


>
>
>-- 
>"And do you know what's inside ? A priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiize !" - Stimpy
>"You gave away ... FORTY-SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS ?" - Ren Hoek
>Ren & Stimpy: On Nickolodeon,Sunday mornings @ 11 AM.  Watch it, you eediot !
>Eric van Bezooijen - eric@soda.berkeley.edu, evb@logrus.eng.sun.com

Tom H.


-- 
==========================================================================       Tom Hyatt                          | My disclaimer:  I am not affiliated        USENET: thyat@sdf.lonestar.org     | with any USENET sites, organizations       RIME:  -->LUNATIC (Tom Hyatt)      | or personnel. The views given by me        Prodigy: KKDH77A (quit yer laffin!)| are mine, and nobody else's.  Nyah!       ==========================================================================
-
---