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From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: CaribSat (repost)
Date: 4 Jan 1993 19:17:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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a repost from soc.culture.carribbean:


Article 3957 of soc.culture.caribbean:
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.caribbean
From: rnelson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu (Robert Nelson)
Subject: Caribbean Satellite Network
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:24:00 GMT

Thanks to the person who mentioned the Caribbean Satellite Network.  
I was home for X-mas and watched it on my parent's satellite (G3 7).  Here's 
a few impressions of it:

1.	They played a lot of different music types (in addition to reggae, 
world beat, soca): especially blues and rap (usually videos with a 
ragamuffin interlude).

2.	A preponderence of the videos were Island/Mango & CBS promos. But 
they did show some great low fi videos of Ini Kamoze's Shocking Out and 
Black Uhuru's Great Train Robbery.

3.	They still seem to be working out the kinks, they have relatively 
few sponsors mostly from Florida and Jamaica, I think: D & G Sofdrinks, Red 
Stripe, some cruise liner, a hair care product line.  At times I saw the 
same videos and VJ announcements back to back so I'm sure they were 
recording segments of the programming and using it the next day.

4.	The most annoying part of watching CSN was their tendency to play 
only two videos and break for commercials or (mostly lame) VJ patter.

All in all it was enjoyable to watch.  I'd much rather see a Shabba Ranks 
video played to death than some lousy heavy metal band like on MTV.  For 
those of you who can get it on your cable systems, I envy you.  They kept 
displaying an address and telephone number for information, but I neglected 
to write it down.  If anyone has it, could you pass it along?

Thanks,

Robert Nelson

-- 
Ted....
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
From: rnelson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu (Robert Nelson)
Subject: Re: Female Reggae
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:41:02 GMT

In article <1i9hmsINNbkt@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> hans@castlerock.East.Sun.COM (Hans Hrasna) writes:
>From: hans@castlerock.East.Sun.COM (Hans Hrasna)
>Subject: Female Reggae
>Date: 4 Jan 1993 14:30:52 GMT
>
>	Greets Rasta, Jah live!
>
>	I was in a club about a month ago (Western Front) and heard a 
>tune sung by a female and want to find out who it is and the name of the
>song etc. Problem is, all I can remember of the song is a small part of
>the chorus where she sings "Oh Lord, oh Lord" but she drawls the word lord
>into 2 syllables so it comes out "oh low-ward, oh low-ward...", I wish
>I could remember more, but you know how it goes... hope someone can help
>me out mon... ire, also I still seek the name of the album by the Norwells
>that has "Trial and Tribulation", the song goes:
>
>		Trail and tribulation, trial and tribulation
>		trial and tribulation of the Rastaman, in a distant land
>		dragons and vampires have set themselves together
>		to suck the blood of the rastaman, in a distant land...
>
>
It's on the  Best of the Morwells released by Nighthawk, the St. Louis blues 
label.

Robert.
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: King Kong Compilation
From: <LIBRBA@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 8 Jan 1993 08:05:17 MST
Organization: Brigham Young University


  Does anyone out there own the King Kong Compilation on Mango (MLPS 9632)?
Is it worth ordering?  Who is on it?  Any dub?
  Thanks in advance,
                     MC Ricky B
--
Rick Anderson  librba@BYUVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
From: MJFORRES@SUVM.SYR.EDU (maurice)
Subject: Re: old sounds
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 17:22:30 EST

In article <1ipnshINNjmk@morrow.stanford.edu>
RC.DAN@forsythe.stanford.edu (Dan Pollak) writes:
 
>Can anyone name a widely available reggae album or compilation
>that is so darned good even a marginal fan would like it?
 
How about "Funky Kingston" by Toots and the Maytals.  That was
one of the albums that got me hooked on reggae.  Toots is on
the "Harder They Come" soundtrack, so you've already heard him.
 
Or you could substitute just about any other Toots album.
 
maurice
                                                 Maurice Forrester
                                                 mjforres@suvm.syr.edu
From: bogreen@unixg.ubc.ca (Bo Green)
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: Re: Who was Selassie? (was Re: Annoyances)
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:49:05 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In <C0Iq4D.GCw@news.iastate.edu> locher@iastate.edu (Robert C Locher) writes:

>mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>>> can somebody explain how and why we can become rastafarians.

>>basic rule is for you to believe that Haile Selassie was God on earth.

>Can somebody tell me who Haile Selassie was?  Wasn't he the ruler of
>Ethiopia or something?  How did the rastafarians come to believe that he
>was God on earth?  What does all this have to do with Jamaica and
>reggae?

>Please excuse my ignorance, I'm just curious.

>				- Rob

 Hey, at least you're asking. No excuses necessary. 

 There is a complete history of events that led to the Jamaican
 connection, one of which was Marcus Garvey's assertion that Jamaicans
 were African first, Jamaican second (as Prince Far I says, "first is
 first, second is nuthin'". Garvey saw a dream of Jamaican people
 returning to Africa to resettle, and his dream was to run a shipping
 line (the Black Star Line) to accomplish this. (Aside: there were a
 small number of people who did "return" to Africa - they weren't 
 met with much enthusiasm in the countries they travelled to).
 Anyway, there was also a belief that Haile Selassie I had fulfilled
 several of the prophecies in Revelation, about warning the world
 leaders of global war, and some other stuff that was much more 
 obscure that I can't remember. They saw him as the Lamb. And so
 Rastafari (named after him, Ras Tafari) developed over a couple of
 generations. Apparently he also claimed to be a direct descendant of
 King David.

 If you're interested, there are a few good books about the history
 of the slave trade in Jamaica, and more recent events that contributed
 to the development of this culture. To get a clear picture, you really
 have to go back to slavery days and check out the Maroons and other
 historically important groups who settled in the hills. They laid the
 foundation for those who came later.
 
 Just my two cents.  

 Bo Green
 UBC
 Vancouver, Canada
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
From: rnelson@alexandria.lib.utah.edu (Robert Nelson)
Subject: Re: Blue eyed dub
Keywords: "Dub me tender, dub me sweet"
Organization: Marriott Library, University of Utah
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:27:39 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.161902.23152@ico.isc.com> brooks@ico.isc.com (Chris Brooks) writes:
>From: brooks@ico.isc.com (Chris Brooks)
>Subject: Blue eyed dub
>Keywords: "Dub me tender, dub me sweet"
>Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:19:02 GMT
>
>I realize that white boy dub can be construed to be a rip-off of real dub, but I
>find some of it quite good, eg.
>
>	1) Clash - "Black Market Clash"
>		Actually, side 2: Bankrobber Dub, etc.
>		There is also some on "Sandinista" (eg. One More Time/Dub)
>
>	2) African Head Charge and related
>		There is an early variant of these guys called the "New Age 
>		Steppers" who do some great dub in the form of "Love Forever"
>		and "Fade Away".
>
>CBB
How about some white girl dub by the Slits
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
From: hans@castlerock.East.Sun.COM (Hans Hrasna)
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: Female Reggae
Date: 5 Jan 1993 13:42:03 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: hans@castlerock.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: castlerock.east.sun.com


	Greets Rasta, Jah live!

>	I was in a club about a month ago (Western Front) and heard a 
>tune sung by a female and want to find out who it is and the name of the
>song etc. Problem is, all I can remember of the song is a small part of
>the chorus where she sings "Oh Lord, oh Lord" but she drawls the word lord
>into 2 syllables so it comes out "oh low-ward, oh low-ward...", I wish
>I could remember more, but you know how it goes... hope someone can help
>me out mon...
	Another clue to the mystery, a friend reminded me of another song
by the same female voice that starts out:
	"Brothers and Sisters rocking..." 
He doesn't know her name either though.... argh...
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: More outstanding dub
From: <LIBRBA@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Wednesday, 6 Jan 1993 16:52:38 MST
Organization: Brigham Young University

(Hi Robert!)

  Probably the finest single dub album I own is a double LP on Trojan called
"King Tubby Special."  It consists, of course, of classic tracks dubbed up by
the King himself.  Kicks butt big time.
  Also, there is a Prince Far I CD available from Trojan called "Voice of
Thunder," and it's essential.
  Keep an eye out for the Bunny Lee reissues coming out on RAS these days.
There's a very nice U-Roy disc ("Rock with I", RASCD 3219), which features
U-Roy toasting over gutbusting dub tracks, and also a great collection of
instrumental tracks by the Aggrovators which isn't strictly dub but features
Bunny's dubwise production style.

--
Rick Anderson
Brigham Young University  librba@BYUVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
From: rohilton@diana.cair.du.edu (RON HILTON )
Subject: Re: Who was Selassie? (was Re: Annoyances)
Keywords: surviving the iron storm i pledge to do...
Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 14:52:13 GMT

>each album is available in the either the "regular/traditional" style,
>and the "dub" style.  I like them both, but if she goes for lyrics as
>much as great music, I suggest the regular versions of the albums.
>
>
I second that.  Also some of the early Steel Pulse is good.  Since she likes
Bob, she might like Ziggy Marley too.


Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
From: mike@jammin.nosc.mil (mike pawka)
Subject: reggae archives
Organization: NRaD
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:37:41 GMT

	Some new stuff, thanks to Hans Hrasna for a couple of sound files for SUN
workstations:

/pub/reggae/audio/buffalo.au	Buffalo Soldiers - Bob Marley
/pub/reggae/audio/wine.au	Red Red Wine - UB40

	Another entry in the FAQ:

-----------
2. Can anyone recommend some books on reggae?

1. Catch a Fire - The Life of Bob Marley. Timothy White. Holt, Rinehart and
   Winston. 1983

2. Reggae Bloodlines - In Search of the Music and Culture of Jamaica. Stephen
   Davis and Peter Simon. Heinemann Educational Books Ltd. 1977

3. Reggae International. Stephen Davis and Peter Simon. Rogner & Bernhard GMBH 
   & Co. 1982

----------

	I'm sure many of you can add to this list. Anyone else got more sound
files?

					mike (reggae archives maintainer)
					jammin.nosc.mil
					easy mon
From: wwilliam@dvorak.amd.com (Wade Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: Re: Female Reggae
Date: 4 Jan 93 20:42:58 GMT
Organization: Austin, Texas

In article <1i9hmsINNbkt@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> hans@castlerock.East.Sun.COM writes:
>
>	Greets Rasta, Jah live!
>
>song etc. Problem is, all I can remember of the song is a small part of
>the chorus where she sings "Oh Lord, oh Lord" but she drawls the word lord

Don't know this one, but the best live female reggae singer I've ever
had the pleasure of seeing was Sophia George.  What a heart wrencher ;-)
Reggae Sunsplash '88 I believe.  Bliss with the Touring Band Saggitarius
behind her.

Wade
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
From: canevit@utkvx3.utk.edu (Canevit, Craig Eugene)
Subject: speaking of dub...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 02:06:00 GMT


	Our school just picked up this newsgroup, so if this has been
covered recently, please bear with me. I am wondering if anyone out
there has heard both Beats International's "Tribute to King Tubby" and
some stuff by King Tubby. I have only heard the former, but I am 
intrigued enough that I would like to know more about KT's music.
What do you people recommend?
I appreciate the advice,
	Craig

Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
From: mike@jammin.nosc.mil (mike pawka)
Subject: Re: Welcome!
Organization: NRaD
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:47:19 GMT

In article <ajzrm!r@lynx.unm.edu>, kburns@hydra.unm.edu (Kevin Burns...math) writes:
|> 
|>      New Mexico is a favored concert site for a good handful of the best
|>      musicians.  1992 was a great year with Jimmy Cliff twice, Third World,
|>      Toots & the Maytals, Pato Banton and Burning Spear.  I promise to keep
|>      the newsgroup updated on any future shows in Albuquerque and Santa Fe.
|> 

	How about Hopiland? Or is that in Arizona?

							mike
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: Re: Who was Selassie? (was Re: Annoyances)
Date: 9 Jan 93 01:24:15 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <C0Iq4D.GCw@news.iastate.edu>, locher@iastate.edu (Robert C Locher) writes:
> mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
> 
>>> can somebody explain how and why we can become rastafarians.
> 
>>basic rule is for you to believe that Haile Selassie was God on earth.
> 
> Can somebody tell me who Haile Selassie was?  Wasn't he the ruler of
> Ethiopia or something?  How did the rastafarians come to believe that he
> was God on earth?  What does all this have to do with Jamaica and
> reggae?
> 
> Please excuse my ignorance, I'm just curious.
> 
> 				- Rob

Haile Selassie was the Emperor of Ethiopia before being ousted in a military
coup sometime in the mid-seventies.  Rastafarians believe that he fulfilled
certain prophecies (I can't recall just now) concerning God on Earth.  

This theology originated in Jamaica.  Rastas were the frontrunners in the
development of reggae music, the legendary Wailers (Bob Marley, Peter Tosh &
Bunny Wailer), Dennis Brown, Burning Spear etc, so the music came to be closely
identified with rasta theology.

McBean
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: Re: Annoyances ( was Re: Blue eyed dub)
From: <LIBRBA@BYUVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 8 Jan 1993 12:49:24 MST
Organization: Brigham Young University

In article <4498@unisql.UUCP>, ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) says:
>
>I wonder, do people think there is a credibility problem sometimes with white
>reggae artists?  I know in my own mind, when I hear a white reggae group (the
>same also holds for white rappers), I sometimes feel like they're going to
>have to prove themselves to me more than if they were black.  And when I hear
>rap/reggae I don't like, by white artists, it often seems to me that some
>quality of "whiteness" about it is what I don't like...whereas when the artist
>is black, I usually have other reasons (Most dancehall stuff doesn't thrill,
>for instance).

    What I wonder is, do we expect black Americans to play reggae better than
white Jamaicans?  Seems to me that there's as much cultural as genetic
influence when it comes to musical style.
    As a reggae musician myself -- one who has gotten some pretty encouraging
comments in regard to his *bass* playing, no less -- I have a hard time
believing that musical style can't be taught.  I suspect that anyone, of any
race, who has musical talent and ears to hear can learn to play reggae or
funk or blues.
--
Rick Anderson  librba@BYUVM,BITNET





>
>Dunno what I'm getting at here, really.  Maybe other people have thoughts on
>the subject?
>
>--
>Ray Shea
>UniSQL, Inc.                             Sometimes I feel like a blue dog.
>unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu                                     -- The Blue Dog
>DoD #0372 -- Team Twinkie -- '88 Hawk NT650
From: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM (Dudley Gaman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: Re: Reference to movie soundtrack
Date: 4 Jan 1993 15:49:45 GMT
Organization: Invictus
Distribution: world
Reply-To: dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: treefort.corp.sun.com

In article CI5@fc.hp.com, rodean@fc.hp.com (Bruce Rodean) writes:
> Here's some info taken from my old vinyl copy of the soundtrack:
>  ...[stuff deleted]...

The vinyl copy contains much more information than the cassette or
CD version of "The Harder They Come".  Part of that information is
the words to all the songs.

Dudley
.
From: mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: Annoyances ( was Re: Blue eyed dub)
Date: 7 Jan 93 16:58:10 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1993Jan7.053732.5989@eng.cam.ac.uk>, jd10002@eng.cam.ac.uk (J. Dobbs) writes:
> brooks@ico.isc.com (Chris Brooks) writes:
> 
> 
>>I realize that white boy dub can be construed to be a rip-off of real dub, but I
>>find some of it quite good, eg.
> 
>>	1) Clash - "Black Market Clash"
>>		Actually, side 2: Bankrobber Dub, etc.
>>		There is also some on "Sandinista" (eg. One More Time/Dub)
> 
>>	2) African Head Charge and related
>>		There is an early variant of these guys called the "New Age 
>>		Steppers" who do some great dub in the form of "Love Forever"
>>		and "Fade Away".
> 
>>CBB
> 
> I agree wholeheartedly with the "white middle-class male shouldn't have
> dreadlocks" sentiment, so it irks me when they produce some damn fine
> reggae (note that I'm thinking of the likes of R.D.F. here, rather than
> UB40 - a w.m-c.m has to have some credibility).

I would extend (or more precisely change that) to "people who aren't Rastafari
should not wear locks".  It really annoys me to see people taking a religious
symbol and making it into a fashion statement or an indicator of how
hip/cool/down/with it they really are.

The same goes for when people start talking about reggae or if , heaven forbid,
they find out you are Jamaican!  Suddenly they lose all lucidity and competence
in English.  The trite phrases which many Jamaicans no longer use in everyday
conversation such as "mon", "irie", "one love" along with the dozen or so come
tripping off their tongue, and the sort of silly, slow form of speech, as if we
couldn't possibly understand your normal way of talking. (Note how this
newsgroup is littered with lot's of """rasta speak"""-:)

This I find annoying.  If white boys play reggae, all I ask is that they do it
properly, If they don't, I'm not buying their records.  Come to think of it
their whiteness is pretty irrelevant to the music.

> 
> And another thing about us palefaces (I'm assuming everybody who sits in 
> front of a terminal long enough to reach this far has a pale-face, right?) - 

Some dark faces made it along the way.

> can somebody explain how and why we can become rastafarians. An ex-rasta
> (black, African) once told me something about the Lost Tribe of Israel being
> a sort of entry visa for anyone unfortunate enough to be born of the wrong
> race, but didn't really make much sense to me (bit like rastafarianism;-).
> Sorry zealots, I'm a bit of a of a religous sceptic. Please, no flaming.
> Prehaps some knowledgable soul could start a new thread about rasta'ism, so
> at least I knew what I didn't believe.

basic rule is for you to believe that Haile Selassie was God on earth.  Locks
aren't esssential, but are an outward sign of faith.  After that their are
various sects which place different interpretations on the theology.

> 	That's it, bye
> 		J-J-J-J-J-J-Jason


Mc Bean.
From: RC.DAN@forsythe.stanford.edu (Dan Pollak)
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
Subject: old sounds
Date: 10 Jan 1993 09:54:25 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

I have questions for reggae listeners more knowledgeable than
myself:

1) There's a Bob Marley tribute at the Kaiser Center in Oakland next
month which features "The Wailers".  Are these the same Wailers we
know and love from Bob Marley's records?  Or is it one of those
cases where the name has outlived the band?  Which, if any, members
of the original Wailers is in it?

2) I really like Bob Marley, and I also greatly enjoy the The Harder
They Come soundtrack.  However, I haven't heard much else from the
reggae world that really grabbed me.  Can anyone name a widely
available reggae album or compilation that is so darned good even a
marginal fan would like it?

--dp
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
From: plm@reggae.bellcore.com (Paul L. Mowatt)
Subject: Re: Who was Selassie? (was Re: Annoyances)
Organization: Bellcore - Bell Communications Research
Date: 11 Jan 93 14:42:43
Followup-To: rec.music.reggae
	<1993Jan9.012415.11178@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
	<C0o51D.IEv@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
	<1993Jan11.052113.7367@udel.edu>


> I recommend Black Uhuru.  Try getting either Now or Iron Storm (their 
> latest two albums).  Also, depending on the flavor of reggae she likes,
> each album is available in the either the "regular/traditional" style,
> and the "dub" style.  I like them both, but if she goes for lyrics as
> much as great music, I suggest the regular versions of the albums.

I would suggest Black Uhuru albums where Michael Rose was the lead singer.
He now goes by the name of Mykal Roze.  The Now and Iron Storm albums are
basically remakes of earlier BU tunes.  The originals are better.  So try
"Guess Who's Coming to Dinner", "Sensimelia", "Red", "Black Sounds of Freedom",
or the Grammy award winning "Anthem".

You can also try anything by Aswad.

--
_______________________________________________________________________________
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From: LB.NKA@isumvs.iastate.edu (Nubi Achebo)
Subject: Natty Dub Music
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:32:16 GMT

Would anybody give me a list of some natty dub laden reggae music and
musicians.  Also please include any mail order place you know to get these
albums since I live in a tiny city where the selection is very poor.

I,ll also like to have the address of "Mango" - a record producing and
distribution company.

Nubi Achebo.

Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
From: locher@iastate.edu (Robert C Locher)
Subject: Who was Selassie? (was Re: Annoyances)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 04:36:12 GMT

mcbean@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:

>> can somebody explain how and why we can become rastafarians.

>basic rule is for you to believe that Haile Selassie was God on earth.

Can somebody tell me who Haile Selassie was?  Wasn't he the ruler of
Ethiopia or something?  How did the rastafarians come to believe that he
was God on earth?  What does all this have to do with Jamaica and
reggae?

Please excuse my ignorance, I'm just curious.

				- Rob
Newsgroups: rec.music.reggae
From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: old sounds
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 22:24:25 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1ipnshINNjmk@morrow.stanford.edu> RC.DAN@forsythe.stanford.edu (Dan Pollak) writes:
>I have questions for reggae listeners more knowledgeable than
>myself:
>
>
>2) I really like Bob Marley, and I also greatly enjoy the The Harder
>They Come soundtrack.  However, I haven't heard much else from the
>reggae world that really grabbed me.  Can anyone name a widely
>available reggae album or compilation that is so darned good even a
>marginal fan would like it?
>

 Check one called ROCKERS!!
 
Yes I
 
 
--
Bryan.Luedy@um.cc.umich.edu
--