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From: kamol@munnari.oz.AU (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: July 9: Samak says May crackdown was "normal"
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:09:25 GMT
Organization: Mail/News gateway

May crackdown was `normal', says Samak
     PRACHAKORN Thai Party leader Samak Sundaravej yesterday 
described the crackdown on protesters during the May 
demonstrations as "normal".
     Apart from protecting the country from outside attack, 
soldiers normally have a duty to quell internal riots, he said. So 
when unrest occurs troops are duty-bound to take action.
     Mr Samak was speaking before yesterday's party meeting. He 
said it was the first time he had spoken to reporters in over a 
month.
     He said it is normal that losses result from a crackdown 
aimed at preventing the greater damage that occurs if a riot is 
allowed to get out of hand.
     He was surprised that the blame was put only on the military 
and not on those who set buildings on fire.
     Former coalition parties did what they could and should under 
the declared state of emergency issued on the night of May 17.
     The coalition parties had nothing to do with the state of 
emergency. No one was able to summon a Cabinet meeting so late at 
night.
     Under the state of emergency, the coalition parties could 
only let the matter rest with the Capital Security Command.
     Other political parties, if they had been in the coalition, 
would have done the same thing in the same situation.
     He also described as "normal" the resignation from the PTP of 
former MP Sanya Sathirabutr, who he said is the only former MP who 
has resigned.
     He said three other former MPs from Chanthaburi Province who 
reportedly have resigned -- Warothai Pinyasas, Prawat Ootamote and 
Thawatchai Anampong -- are still by his side.
But one of the three, Mr Warothai, later said he will wait and see 
how much the PTP's image improves.
     He will then decide before the candidate registration period 
whether or not to run in the election under the PTP banner, and 
even on whether to go on "playing politics".
     Mr Warothai said he will choose the party which can ensure 
over 20 seats so that he can do some good for the country as an MP 
by being able to submit motions in the House.
     Mr Samak later said he has decided to lead the PTP in the 
next election after accepting others' comments that as the PTP's 
founder he should not give up the party.
     He said he regrets his earlier expressions of weariness of 
politics.
     He said a political party should be wound up in a timely 
fashion after an election outcome is produced, as a boxer is 
declared defeated in the boxing ring itself, not away from the 
ring.
     He said the PTP has finalised the list of 35 candidates for 
Bangkok and the party will field slightly over the legal 
requirement of 120 candidates nationwide.
     He said it is not worth fielding too many candidates for the 
small number of seats expected to be gained.
From: mbuntan@epx.cis.umn.edu ()
Subject: ThaiElection
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 05:07:48 GMT


I'm kind of curous about what's going on
in Thailand now.  To be more specific, 
I want to know more about this coming election.
Some one posted an article here.
I think it's good.
Anyone of us in Thailand who would not mind,
please share this information with some of us here.
Than you in advance.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: olmstead@sail.uwaterloo.ca ()
Subject: RE ME TOO
Originator: olmstead@sail.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:22:27 GMT

This story is intended to counter balance the tales of the Thais and how
they acted upon misunderstood english phrases.  I suppose that this is a
situation where a farang did not understand Thai culture.

When I was a teenager in Canada I used to hitch-hike to make my way
around.  In Malaysia when I was in my early twenties I hitch-hiked from
the bottom up to Penang then took a train into Hat Yai.  Later on in
Bangkok or Samut Prakan I got lost and started to hitch-hike only to be
stared at...and laughed at.  When I told my story to my friends that
night they said I was giving a signal for pulling on the string of a
kite.  It also had to be explained to me what pulling on the kite string
refers to.

A second misunderstanding on my part was when my Thai wife and I moved
to Vancouver.  Vancouver can be cold and rainy, especially if you come
from Cha Choeng Sao.  For about a week she kept telling me that she had
a "sicknet".  I assumed she had a sickness (ss=t) and asked her what kind of
sickness she had.  All she knew was that she had a "sicknet".  After
many days I realized that what she had was a sick neck.....a sore
throat.

This last story I will leave for those who want to translate or explain
it.

When I was teaching English at a school in Bangkok Noi I had a student
of about 18 years of age.  This young man had spent years (not months)
in the temple and was still dressed in the saffron robes.  He spoke
English very well and asked all kinds of questions about the english
language that I could not answer.  Anyway on the last day of classes he
asked me if I could explain a farang phrase he had heard on his music
tapes.  "Sure" I said.
The phrase was...ROCK ME BABY.  I couldn't tell him what it meant.
From: nupairoj@cps.msu.edu (Natawut Nupairoj)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: AIDS in Thailand
Date: 24 Jul 92 06:21:10 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: nupairoj@atlantic.cps.msu.edu

A few days ago, I watched ABC news (around midnight).  They discussed
about the AIDS conference at Amsterdam.  They also discussed about
Thailand which is very notorious from the explosion of the AIDS.

Does anyone have any futher information about the situation of AIDS
in Thailand ?

Natawut.
From: ktantipo@.intel.com (Koonlawat Tantiponganant)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: RE: Me Too
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:13:05 GMT
Organization: Intel Corp., Chandler, Arizona
Originator: ktantipo@sedona


	I remembered once during my freshman year, while I was walking 
to my class, a guy came up to me and say "What's up?".  I was confused 
for a second then I looked up reply "SKY??".  I think I managed to 
confuse him too!!!!

jah.....
From: pr05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PRAPASRI RAJATAPITI)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Satit Chula
Date: 31 Jul 92 15:01:06 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Since I am a member of Satit Chula Alumni Association, I am thinking that may
be we can communicate via the network, sending mails and news with no charge!
So, if you went to Satit Chula, and have access to this network, please let me
know. I am trying to get one of those Sala Dek Di leaflets to be sent to me,
so that we can follow what's going on in Satit Chula Society.
                                                           Prapasri (KOB)
                                                           CUD.'22
From: kamol@munnari.oz.AU (Kamol Hengkietisak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: TOT signed one-million-phone deal
Date: 23 Jul 92 06:09:18 GMT
Organization: Mail/News gateway

 
TOT signs another major phone deal
 
     THE Telephone Organisation of Thailand (TOT) yesterday signed 
a contract with the newly-established Thai Telephone and 
Telecommunication Co Ltd (TT&T) for the installation of one 
million telephone lines in the provinces.
     The contract was signed by TOT managing director Paiboon 
Limpaphayom and TT&T chairman Pairote Lamsam at Government House. 
The ceremony was witnessed by Prime Minister Anand Panyarachun and 
Transport and Communications Minister Nukul Prachuabmoh.
     TT&T was established by the Loxley/Jasmine consortium, which 
comprises Loxley (Bangkok) Ltd (32%), Jasmine International Co Ltd 
(32%), Italian-Thai Development Corporation Ltd (26%) and Phatra 
Thanakit Co Ltd (10%), to implement the project.
     TT&T was expected to earn an average annual revenue of 12,000 
million baht over the 25-year concession period, of which 43.10% 
would go to the TOT as revenue sharing.
     TT&T was set up with registered capital of 100 million baht. 
Its capital is expected to be increased to about 8,000 million 
baht in the next three years.
     The cost of the project will be about 40,000 million baht.
     Installation of the phone lines in 69 provinces must be 
completed within five years.
     Mr Pairote said he was confident in the company's ability to 
provide good service and expected to install the first 200,000 
lines within the next 24 months or 18 months after the firm's 
master plan was approved by the TOT.
     Under the contract, TT&T must submit an installation plan to 
the TOT for the first 200,000 lines within the next three months. 
The installation plan for the remainder of the project will be 
completed within six months.
     Installation of additional phone lines in the provinces is 
expected to support the Government's plan to expand industry 
up-country.
     TT&T will select at least two suppliers for the project as 
soon as possible.
     It also plans to apply for listing on the Stock Exchange of 
Thailand within five years, with not less than 51% of the company 
being held by existing shareholders and 20% of stock being offered 
to the public.
     TT&T chief executive officer Adisai Bodharamik said TT&T 
would select a firm to operate the project within one month.
     In a related development, Mr Nukul said after the signing 
ceremony that the granting of the concession to TT&T would 
encourage competition in telephone services.
     The TOT and the Government would benefit from having two 
different groups handling the telephone projects for Bangkok and 
the provinces by knowing the actual cost of telephone services. 
The existence of two operators would also encourage competition 
and create justice for telephone users, Mr Nukul said.
     The high level of revenue sharing from the provincial 
contract would also set a standard for future tenders, he said.
From: mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: "good" soldiers
Date: 22 Jul 92 13:36:24 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

In a recent newsletter, fstawit@ICOMP01.LERC.NASA.GOV wrote:

"Seriously, I hope we don't hate the military personnels too much.
There are so many good soldiers around. I'm very sure about this
because I used to be a soldier myself. I dare say that 80% of soldiers
are good. They don't dare speak out so much because they are binded
by a strong hierachical structure of the military."

One thing should be made clear to each and every one of those good 80% :
There is such a thing as an ILLEGAL COMMAND. You do not have to memorize any
complicated laws to know if a command issued to you is legal or not. 
Illegal commands of the sort that caused the killing of civilians last
May have a very clear characteristic: They tell you to shoot people who,
being unarmed and possibly already wounded, cannot hurt you or anybody else. 
If you are 80% or even
0.08% "good", you should NOT obey this illegal command and help prosecute
its issuer. If you carry out this order then you yourself should be prosecuted.

During the Nurenberg (I might have spelled it wrong) trials of Nazi SS and 
Gestpo men after world war II, most of them said that they only obeyed orders
so they could not be blaimed for killing civilians. This was ridiculously 
claimed even by men who had the rank of a general and had killed people with 
their own hands for  the fun of it. As it should be, this claim was not 
accepted by the court, even with the lowest ranking men. What can we learn from
this historical example?

Soldiers who "only obeyed orders" and shot at civilians should be
faced with the following LEGAL fact: Help prosecute your superiors and disclose
any information you have of the whereabouts of the missing demonstrators, or
be prosecuted for shooting at civilians. The government should break the 
corrupting and dehumanizing force of the "strong hierachical structure of the 
military"  by protecting "good" soldiers who come out and say what they know
about the May events. This "hierachical structure" is probably a major factor 
in the prospering corruption in Thailand, and this time it has gone too far.

If "good" soldiers are not made to realize that they have to do some good, 
then they might as well be bad.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: ssg9328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Samart Srijumnong)
Subject: Anand's Environmental Policy (from SEASIA-L)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 05:18:13 GMT
Keywords: Thailand's environment


Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
From: ongsakul@ee.tamu.edu (Ongsakul Weerakorn)
Subject: Olympic News?
Organization: Dept of ELEN, Texas A&M University
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:28:43 GMT

I would like to know how the Thai Boxers perform in the
Olympic Game? Any hope so far for the medel?

Weerakorn
From: trin@tlaeng.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Result: 25th National Games, Khon Kaen
Date: 25 Jul 92 14:02:00 +0700
Organization: Digital Equipment (Thailand), Ltd.

Final Medal Standing of the 25th National Games held in Khon Kaen.
The event ended on July 18.

                  G     S     B
    Zone 10      67    57    52
    Zone 6       35    23    31
    Zone 4       33    20    33
    Zone 9       28    31    29
    Zone 2       24    23    28
    Zone 5       21    26    27
    Zone 3       17    12    23
    Zone 7       12    22    42
    Zone 8       11    16    12
    Zone 1       10    30    38
From: mbuntan@epx.cis.umn.edu ()
Subject: ThaiElection
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:59:13 GMT


I'm kind of curous about what's going on
in Thailand now.  To be more specific, 
I want to know more about this coming election.
Some one posted an article here.
I think it's good.
Anyone of us in Thailand who would not mind,
please share this information with some of us here.
Than you in advance.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: chairac@ece.orst.edu (Chairatanatrai Charlie)
Subject: **TEST 2***
Organization: Oregon State University, Corvallis
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 18:49:36 GMT


Hey, how's it hangin' ?

Did you guys get my first test news...?

I'm glad to see it up there...

Well, later

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chairac@ece.orst.edu
From: ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Me Too
Date: 22 Jul 92 03:46:04 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu

I dunno, but if a girl talked to me that way, I'd want to rip her
clothes off, i.e. her quaint politeness would really turn me on.
But that's just me. :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: sophatsa@enuxhb.eas.asu.edu (Peraphon)
Subject: Re: me too
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 00:39:29 GMT

In article <BrrCpG.4FK@watserv1.waterloo.edu> you write:
>... they said I was giving a signal for pulling on the string of a
>kite.  It also had to be explained to me what pulling on the kite string
>refers to.

	I had a similar subtle encounter when I first came to the U.S.
I made an error while filling out a form, so I asked for a rubber (British
word for eraser) from a women.  She gave me a strange look that I never
understood for a long time.

>
>... All she knew was that she had a "sicknet".  After
>many days I realized that what she had was a sick neck.....a sore
>throat.

	My Thai roommates and I always improvised our grocery list on the
fly in the grocery store.  Often times, we would yell out "Don't forget
PUMPKINS or CHILLI (in Thai)," causing some bystanders to stare at us
over and over.

	There are numerous 'Ploy Kai' that many of you have already
mentioned.  Some of mine were "What's up?", "What's cooking? (causing
me to look around for a stove)," and my favourite one was "What's news?"
I would start telling what went on around the world right away!

	One of my many embarrassing bloopers was after a wedding that I
attended.  I tried to describe the scene "when the *groom* was walking down
the aisle with *her* father..."  Everyone laughed for a good long while.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: zeclipse@eng.umd.edu (Narin Suphasindhu)
Subject: What's with chulkn.chula.ac.th ?
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:48:32 GMT
Organization: Maryversity of Uniland
Originator: zeclipse@erebor.eng.umd.edu



Hello y'all,

	o Is chulkn.chula.ac.th the first workstation fully connected to the Internet?
	o Seem to me that chulkn.chula.ac.th is physically located in Thailand:
		>
		>telnet chulkn.chula.ac.th 13
		>Trying 192.133.10.1 ...
		>Connected to chulkn.chula.ac.th.
		>Escape character is '^]'.
		>Fri Jul 31 01:35:26 THA 1992
  		>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
		>Connection closed by foreign host.
		>date
		>Thu Jul 30 14:33:12 EDT 1992
		>
	  Is that correct?
	o What is the meaning of *.ac.* ?
	o What kind of services does chulkn.chula.ac.th offer ?
	o Also, what does gateway.chula.ac.th do ? (A high-speed modem for dial-up???)
	o Is Chula the only university on ac.th ?
	

Thanks in advance,

Narin :)

 
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From: panu@sol.acs.unt.edu (Sittiwong Panu)
Subject: Re: Me Too
Keywords: me too
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:33:55 GMT

cslac2216@bestsd.sdsu.edu (Unalome Techamuanvivit) writes:

>	I remember an embarrassing situation when I first came to study in
>America last year.  A guy came up to me and asked "Do you have time?"...
>I had no clue whatsoever he was talking about!!  Do I have time?..that's
>non of your business..this guy is approaching me or what..that's what I 
>thought at the time!! So, I just walked away from him.  Eventually, I knew
>that asking "Do you have time" simply means "Do you know what time it is?"
>And just looking back at the situation makes me laugh :)  It was really
>embarrassing. 

>	Pim-

It also happened to me.  I was asked "Hey man what's going on your watch?"
I had no idea what he was talking about, so I replied "I'm doing fine,
thanks".  He laughed and said "No, no , no, I was asking what time is it?"

Panu Sittiwong
Academic Computing Services
Univ. of North Texas
Denton, TX 76203                               Panu@unt.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Final result: Thai transciption
From: <CHLBB@CUNYVM.BITNET> (Parames Laosinchai)
Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 20:11:34 EDT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Once again, there is no more vote.  The idea of voting may not be well
accepted or the result is too obvious or the proposed standard is too bad
or . . . .

Anyway, the final result is 1:1:7 in favor of the most intuitive choice,
i.e. j for jOO-jaan- and y for yOO-yak^.

Please give your opinion about how should we proceed from here.

Parames.
From: fstawit@ICOMP01.LERC.NASA.GOV (Tawit Chitsomboon)
Subject: Redtaping to Success
Originator: daemon@Condor.mcs.kent.edu
Organization: Kent Gateway
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 15:15:44 GMT


Subject: Re: TOT signed one-million-phone deal

In article <24JUL92.19402807@meena.cc.uregina.ca> 
emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes:
>.............................
>        4. Some years ago, the roof of his office in Chiengmai was brown by
>a strong wind.  Actually, two sheet of gavalnized steel were blown away.  A
>committee from Bangkok were set up to carry out the investigation.  The travel
>expenses and allowances for the committee to investigate were 6000 baht.
>Finally, the committee concluded that it was an inevitable event caused by
>nature, no one had to take responsibility, and the two galvalnized sheets were
>allow to be replaced.  The replacement of the galvalnized sheets cost 25 baht.
>
I don't see why your friend was frustrated with all these. These apparently
bad things will eventually make Thailand a superpower. Just look at the
USA, they are great because they have done such extravagances for so
long :) (e.g., $199 toilet seat cover, $999 hammer)
And now, we are discovering this top secret by serendipity.

Your friend seemed to not understand modern economic principle very
well. You see, if the gov spent just $T25 to fix the roof, only the
local hardware store got $T25. With $T6000 spending, the airplane
company, the hotel, the restuaraunt, the taxi, all benefit from
the spending. This will 'trickle down' and benefit the entire
economy in a chain reaction. All this while the local hardware store
still get its fair share of $T25! Isn't that maverlous?

Moreover, all the money that move down through the guts of the 
national economy will eventually get sucked into the goverment's
mouth again in forms of tax and fee. This will start the entire
regenarative cycle all over again. An inefficient gov is infact
acting as a money laundering agency without which economic growth
is slow, if not impossible.

Of course, the gov could have elected to save the trip and save itself
$T5975 in the process. Then spend that hard-earned money prudently
on, say, building a clean water well for a rural village. But that
will never, or if ever will be very slow to, benefit the entire
national economy. The 'trickle up' process is just too slow; we'll
never catch up with our neighbors this way.

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What is more important to you my friends, catching up with your neighbors
, or catching up with your own people?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

...Tawit
From: trin@tlaeng.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: HRH Princess Sirindhorn wins ASEAN Achievement Award
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:06:13 +0700
Organization: Digital Equipment (Thailand), Ltd.

Various sources, July 21.

  HRH Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn has been awarded ASEAN achievement
Award for community work.
  The ASEAN Institute's award is for her distinguished community service to
improve the quality of life of Thais.
  Her frequent trips to remote areas are said to have successfully promoted
education, public health and vocational training. Among projects initiated 
by the Princess is a lunch scheme for children in rural areas.
  Because of her tight scheduled, Princess Sirindhorn is unable to attend
the award presentation ceremony of Friday (23) in Jakarta. The award will
later be presented to the Princess in Bangkok.
From: ymey@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: AIDS/ Prostitution in Thailand
Date: 26 Jul 92 23:25:05 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

From NEWSWEEK:July 20, 1992 on Sex and Death in Thailand, pp.50-51)
"The good news is that the supply side is changing," says Meechai. "fewer Thai
girls are going into prositution now.  But the bad news is that girls from
Burma, from our hilltribes and even from China are being recruited to replace
Thais."
I am saddend by the news about women from our neighboring country--Burma. A
recent posting from Women's studies list  (WMST-L@UMDD.BITNET) mentioned a
horrifying  news that a number of Burmese women , after having been released
from the Thai brothels, were forced to have medical check-ups.
Those who were tested  HIV-positive  were executed.  I will forward that piece
of info to this group shortly and will follow up on its source.
Anyway, the mentioning of the changing of the "supply" side by Khun Meechai
makes me think of the DEMAND side that has hitherto remained constant.  
Sex industry has existed and florished because women (and men?) 's bodies have 
been made "commodities." Thus, so long as there ARE those, with
purchasing power, who think they can buy pleasure from suffering bodies of	
their fellow human beings, prostitution will continue to exist.