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From: fscll@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Lott)
Subject: alt.rnr.hard? not. Censorship? not. Music? YES!
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 04:25:11 GMT

Split the groups again. Why bother? As long as there are people who insists on
flaming people because their tastes ar different it is not going to matter how
much you split the boards. How about alt.g-n-r and alt.deflep and alt.floyd
etc etc etc ad nauseum?   NOT.

The whole idea of making alt.rnr.metal and then .heavy was ostensibly to give
another forum for those type of music, but of course there was no clear idea
of what composed thos groups. So what do we get. Flame fest. It seems to me
that the creation of these other hierarchies was just to get the innsecure
assholes their own board-- not everyone on these boards is this way, I just
mean the "kill the posers" who don't have any clue and want to take it out on
anyone that is different from them. 

The only good reason to split a group is for excess traffic, and this one
doesn't have it. And if the personal attacks were lightened the traffic would
be about half what it is now.

It is amazing that people can not just skip discussing the groups they don't
like. Then we could just have one board and we could discuss what we are
SUPPOSED to be talking about--- remember? Music? Ring a bell for anyone?

While we were at it we could try fighting censorship too. Just because the
censorship advocates have quieted down doesn't mean they have stopped... as a
matter of fact ths is where they are at their most dangerous! I work with some
active anti-censorship groups and I mean what I say!! 

So maybe we could stick in one group, all the flamers could go and find some
other way to vent their frusdtrations (and considering it is the harder rock
and metal that are most persecuted by censors they should see the reason here)
and we could talk about music andmake sure it is alwyas ours to talk about!
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: cps5@po.CWRU.Edu (Christopher P. Schmitz)
Subject: Re: Rush's YYZ  (trivia tidbits)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 13:59:28 GMT


The song "Subdivisions" is on the album 'Signals', not
"Subdivisions". 

-- 
Chris Schmitz (cps5) ---- Glaser House
"Did you have a good world when you died?"
"The future's uncertain, the end is always near." 
"Day destroys the night, night divides the day." "This is the end."---J.Morriso
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: Re: Three Greatest Consecutive Albums
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 22:24:35 GMT

In article <cubsfan.703201012@camelot> cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:
>I'll bite!
>
>Three greatest albums in a row:
>
>RUSH with Signals, Grace Under Pressure, and Power Windows.



	OK, how about this;
	
	Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures.

	Hemispheres is the only album I've liked the first time I heard it.
Ever!

					James B



Xref: sparky alt.rock-n-roll:9642 alt.rock-n-roll.metal:6573
From: cs2532af@triton.unm.edu (Steve Gonzales)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll,alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: ATTENTION DEF LEPPARD / LA GUNS FANS
Date: 13 Apr 92 02:43:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: lynx.+mwjhn#
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque



	For Sale  recordings of the british group GIRL featuring
	the current Def Leppard guitarist Phil Collen and LA Guns
	singer, Phil Lewis.


	1980 - SHEER GREED  produced by Chris Tsangarides

	Hollywood Tease		Do you love me (A Kiss cover tune)
	The Things you say	Take Me Dancing
	Lovely Lorraine		Whats Up
	Strawberries		Passing Clouds
	Little Miss Ann		My Number
	Doctor Doctor		Heartbreak America

	and extra track  	Love is a Game

	1982 - Wasted Youth produced by Nigel Thomas

	Thru the Twilite	Nice N Nasty
	Old Dogs		McKitty's Back
	Ice in the Blood	19
	Wasted Youth		Overnight Angels
	Standard Romance	Sweet Kids

	Simon Laffy bass	Gerry Laffy guitar
	Phil Lewis  vocals	Phil Collen guitar
	Dave Gaynor drums	Pete Barnacle drums on Sheer Greed

	Also  Def Leppard First STRIKE

	Heat Street		Wasted
	Answer to the Master	Sorrow is a Woman
	See the lights		Glad I'm Alive
	When the walls come tumbling down


	LA Guns Fans  also available, TORME with Phil Lewis:

	1985 - Back to Babylon

	All Around the World	Family at War
	Star			Front Line
	Eyes of the World	Arabia
	Burning Bridges		Mystery Train
	Hardcore
	Here I Go

	1987 - Official Bootleg

	Star			Burning Bridges
	Front Line		Love Guns & Money
	Hardcore		TVOD
	Turn Out the Lights	New Orleans
				My Baby Loves a Vampire

	Phil Lewis vocals	Bernie Torme guitars
	Chris Heilmann bass	Ian Whitewood bass
From: rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: CD packaging
Keywords: eat more recycled moose
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:44:22 GMT
Organization: Academic Computing Services

In article <14APR199212220948@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov>, fovsutt@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (VINCENT SUTTMILLER) writes:
|> > 
|> I don't know the whole argument of the plastic box versus the cardboard
|> package but I do know that producing plastic of any kind produces much more 
|> waste than paper products.  To produce plastic raw materials have to be 
|> mixed and a chemical reaction needs to take place.  Then the mixture has
|> to be separated and the prime material is used for the plastic.  The rest 
|> is usually waste which is buried, pumped into the ground or incinerated.
|> I can't remember off hand what the ratio is but it's something like for 
|> every pound of plastic produced, two pounds of waste is produced.  The 
|> paper process also has waste products too, but not as much as plastic.  
|> IMHO paper is more environmentally safe, not the final products because
|> as everyone says they'll be keeping them, but the process to get to the 
|> final product. 
|> 
|> Any comments?
|> 

yeah.  well, sorta.  on a related note, isn't anyone aware of the tremendous
"chemical reactions" it takes to un-ink and recycle paper??  it is not a
trivial task.

and as for biodegradation, the way we run our landfills here in the US,
nothing degrades "quickly", INCLUDING PAPER.

but I digress...

1) ban the longbox...this is a WASTE
2) screw the digipak...the only REAL reason we're gonna get these is money...
   to keep all the shops that used to make longboxes in business.
3) keep the jewel case or GIVE US A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE.  These wimpy
   boxes are NOT a reasonable alternative.

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From: jeanthea@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Jeantheau)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Info wanted on ELO song
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:02:49 GMT
Reply-To: jeanthea@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Jeantheau)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In alt.rock-n-roll, fsspr@acad3.alaska.edu (Sean P. Ryan, Hardcore Alaskan) writes:
>This has been bugging me for quite some time.  There is an ELO song I
>hear on the radio all the time, and I don't know the title of it.  The
>song is the long, rather extravagant instrumental which contains the
>backward lyric in the middle.  I am thinking that it is "Kuiama," from
>the second album, but I really don't know.  Anyone want to help me here?

There is a song with a title like that on the second album, but I can't
recall ever hearing a backward lyric in it.  Also, that song is  not
entirely an instrumental.

There is another song--"Fire on High"--from Face the Music--that has
a very definite backward lyric.  It says "The music is reversible.
But time... turn back, turn back."  Sorry, nothing demonic there.

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From: pdlemass@unix2.tcd.ie (Something original)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: BEST LIVE ALBUMS
Keywords: NEIL YOUNG
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:20:11 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

my favourite live album is "Weld" by Neil Young and Crazy Horse .
Any opinions?
Peter
From: IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (the DM)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Use of term "progressive rock"
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:31:28 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

IMHO I would have to agree with you in saying that groups like Rush, Yes,
and R.E.M. are progressive but you have to decide how you define progressive.
My definition falls along the lines of the group writing and playing music
that is original and fresh, and many times, different from anything else,
and almost always going and/or doing what they want with there music without
pressure to do something else.  Thus IMHO groups like Rush, yes and Genesis,
would fall into this line of reasoning (for the most part) But it could
be argued that among these criteria above that R.E.M.'s recent albums do
not qualify..........  But then do Invisible touch, or 90125 fall into this
line too???????  Too many questions.........
                                         Patrick Ellis
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: gary@rocker.ingr.com (Gary Braswell)
Subject: Re: social distortion
Reply-To: gary@rocker.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 14:58:02 GMT

> OK, need an opinion.
> 
> I own "Social Distortion" and LOVE it.  However, I think
> "Somewhere..." is pretty bad.  To melodic or something.
> My question is, what are the first two like and given that
> I like "SD", would I like them?
> 


	I would advise against Prison Bound.  I bought it, and it is the
	least good of any of SD's stuff.  You should probably go with
	"Mommy's Little Monster", or the latest CD.

	-------
	Gary B.


	These opinions are my own, not my bosses, so don't complain to him.
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: jlizik@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (The Hoopy Frood)
Subject: Re: Marillion -- The Theiving Magpie (La Gazza Ladra)
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:06:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.170135.2234@acsu.buffalo.edu> becker@acsu.buffalo.edu (Don Becker) writes:
>Question: Has this album been released domestically on CD? I've seen only the 
>import versions, and asfter hearing my friend's copy, I decided that I must 
>have it on disc.
>
	Yes, it is readily available on CD in the U.S.  I got mine quite some
time ago at Sam Goody, and have seen it in the regular bins at places like
Waxie Maxie's and Tower Records.  The only Marillion albums that weren't
released domestically are B'Sides Themselves (or I've only seen it as an
import) and Real to Reel.

>Any help is appreciated.
>
	No problem...but where is Kimberley's TAPE?! =)
>--Don
>
Jake


Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:25:49 -0400 
From: Andrew Jordan Werth <aw0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Request: Rush Freewill Lyrics


Anybody have the lyrics to "Freewill"?  I'm particularly intersted in
the chorus (can't quite understand everything he's saying), but the
whole song would be cool, too.

Thanks.

awerth+@cmu.edu
From: Curt.Shehow@p33.f75.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Curt Shehow)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: For all you Sinead fans
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 04:52:08 EDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/75.33 - Psycho.FidoNet.Org, Clearwater FL

13 Apr 92, Hyok Lee writes to All:

 <deleted>

 HL> Maybe then she would see the light and stop trashing everyone she
 HL> doesn't like.

 Judging from your trash(ing) over in alt...metallica, you should take your own advice.
          Cs.

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From: fsrhd@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Aerosmith's Come Together version
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:01:18 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks



	Aerosmith's cover of the Beatles "Come Together" can also be found
on the movie soundtrack from Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.

-- 
Bob Devine
fshrd@acad3.alaska.edu
From: yudof@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Seth A Yudof)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Van Halen Marital Status
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:57:58 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <92099.101026CWF102@psuvm.psu.edu> CWF102@psuvm.psu.edu (Felter) writes:
>Sammy Hagar - married
>Eddie Van Halen - married, 1 son
>Alex Van Halen - married, 1 daughter
>Michael Anthony - ????
>
>-stymie

Michael Anthony - Married, 1 daughter

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From: bs854@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tommy Kuei-Che Hwang)
Subject: Pink Floyd CDs???
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 06:31:19 GMT


     Does anyone in this net knows where I can find CD-Vs of the
group, "Pink Floyd"??  I am searching for it as a gift for a 
friend of mine.  An email reply to the following address will
be appreciated:

                 thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu

                                               -TKH `92

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Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Weird Al Yankovic
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:01:24 GMT

I just heard today one of the songs that will be on Al's new album.
After thinking about what the result will be, I couldn't stop laughing.

"Smells Like Teen Spirit"

Just imagine what that will sound like.   :-)

--Dave

PS. Does anyone care, or should I have posted this ONLY to alt.music.dementia?
From: corcoran@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Corcoran Patrick)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Use of term "progressive rock"
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:31:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Universite de Montreal

Summary: example of progressive rock...invisible touch???? NOPE!!!
Expire:     

 I don't think so...(to the question that album like Invisible Touch and
 90125 are progressive???)

 Groups like Genesis (especially) and Yes are not so much progressive now...
 (i don't know about the last Yes album, but the last two Genesis are, in
 my view, not progressive at all.

 There was a great definition of progressive rock a couple of days ago...
 ...about what kind music it was...

 I don't agree that R.E.M. is a progressive band...
 ...a example of progressive are:
 
	Genesis (pre-1977): there last real progressive album was Wind
           and Wuthering)(last album with Steve Hackett at guitar...)
        Yes : the best progressives albums are in the ALBUM to CLOSE TO
            THE EDGE era, even if after there was album like Relayer
            and Drama that are also great...
        
        Other groups like Gentle Giant, Jethro Tull (some of there
        earlier stuff: Thick as a Brick...), Pink Floyd (Ummagamma(sp??)...),
        etc...there a lot of example, but R.E.M. is not one of them.

       Other  examples are Marillion (early 1980 especially) and a forgot
    to mention Emerson, Lake and Palmer (specially the 1st and 2nd albums)

But I am repeating what someone already said.... 
    ...this is just my opinion!!!

                                   Hope I was of some help....

                                       PATRICK CORCORAN 
                                      Dept. de Geographie
                                      Universite de Montreal
                                      corcoran@ERE.UMontreal.CA 
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin)
Subject: Re: Pink Floyd
Reply-To: a-feygin@uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:47:06 GMT

rone@carina.usc.edu (Ron A. Echeverri) writes:
}Someone else mentioned "The Wall" in another post. "Is There Anybody Out

That was me :)

}There?" is an instrumental in the same fashion "One Of These Days" is (ie, one
}line does not an instrumental unmake)

Granted it one line, but it is repeated four times which IMHO
makes it a non-instrumental.

-- 
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a-feygin@uiuc.edu |    in my brain" -- Roger Waters
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Gandalf - new band with Steve Hackett!!! (know anything?!?)
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:23:09 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville

narpet@cs.mcgill.ca (Greg WARD) writes:

: Folks -- I was in a music store the other day, and saw on their "Upcoming
: Releases" board a band called Gandalf, and underneath was written
: "With Steve Hackett!!!"  (My exclamation marks, being a Hackett fan.)

Misinformation strikes again -- it is my understanding that this is a 
Gandalf solo album, on which Steve Hackett appears as a guest musician.

Scott
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
From: feygin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin)
Subject: Re: Three Greatest Consecutive Albums
Reply-To: a-feygin@uiuc.edu (Alexander Feygin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:39:50 GMT

sminsk@.stern.nyu.edu (Seth Minsk) writes:
}   There was recently a thread going about three greatest songs in a row on
}an album.  OK, in a similar vein, how about three greatest consecutive albums
}by any particular group/artists?  Just a couple suggested rules:
}1) PLEASE consult some kind of discography before posting about a group!
}2) Live and compilation albums don't count as breaking up a sequence of
}consecutive albums.

1. Pink Floyd: Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals.  
2. The Beatles: The Magical Mystery Tour, The Beatles, Abbey Road
3. Pink Floyd: Ummagumma, Atom Heart Mother, Meddle
4. Led Zeppelin: I, II, III
5. Metallica: Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, ..And Justice for All.


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From: Curt.Shehow@p33.f75.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Curt Shehow)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: RFD: alt.rock-n-roll.hard
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 04:28:52 EDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/75.33 - Psycho.FidoNet.Org, Clearwater FL

12 Apr 92, <TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes to All:

 > own newsgroup, but also you must admit, it would be one hell
 > of a boring place without a good flame war to liven things up
 > abit.

 Actually, I think a stupid flame war makes it even more boring. Out of 200 messages about 10 were actual information, the rest was a bunch of garbage about what the hell a 'poser' is and why they should eat a root.

Cs.

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From: jgc57708@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (just call me john)
Subject: Re: hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...............
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 05:54:48 GMT

sabotkap@woods.ulowell.edu (Pete Sabotka) writes:

>	Kriss Kross is a "YO G, WASSUP" group, do not even bother w/ that
>junk..........


Mack Daddy's gonna make you...
	JUMP JUMP
Daddy Mack's gonna make you...
	JUMP JUMP
Kris Kross is gonna make you...
	JUMP JUMP!

nuf said!
From: 880691c@ace.acadiau.ca (MATT CUNDILL)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll
Subject: Re: Country
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:15:39 GMT
Organization: Acadia University

In article <1992Apr14.224158.218@NeoSoft.com> rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally) writes:
>From: rocky@NeoSoft.com (Joe Mullally)
>Subject: Re: Country
>Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:41:58 GMT

>>I think that you're getting the feeling that people are defecting from 
>>rock and roll to country; however, the numbers are small. Where country is 
>>truly making gains is against Top 40 and other directionless formats. Rock 
>>and roll listeners are loyal to their product; in fact, equally as loyal 
>>as country listeners. 

>        I can't say that this is true, but I was told by someone(?) in the
>business that they've recently changed the way they determine sales. From
>what I was told, the old method involved spot checks of different stores,
>and just asking the managers what was selling best. Nowadays, they use
>real sales data, and that the music industry has been a bit surprised to
>find that country is selling better than believed. I'm not a country fan,
>and I don't claim this to be the truth. Has anyone else heard this? At any
>rate, this would tend to imply that country sales haven't necessarily 
>increased, but that they are getting the recognition for actual sales.

Country has been riding a high for the last couple of years and continues to 
make gains (especially in radio) against Top 40 and Album Rock. The former 
is truly suffering. In regard to sales, people knew that country was selling 
well, but when Billboard changed it's compiling format a few months ago, 
people like Garth Brooks gained recognition for their achievements. As it 
stands now, Garth has the most consistant album on the chart. Quite 
something.
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Newsgroups: alt.wais
From: tlinn@julian.uwo.ca (t.   linn)
Subject: WAIS server for Windows?
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:28:20 GMT
Keywords: windows 3.0 / WAIS server / PC

There's been a small discussion here about the availability of a
MacIntosh WAIS server.  What about an MSDOS Windows 3.x WAIS server
that would allow a LAN to serve up a number of vital departmental
documents?  I know there would be a tremendous need for this type of
program.  Why should WAIS only be used for making documents available
on the Internet?  Workgroups on a LAN could definitely benefit by the
power of WAIS!!!


Keith

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