HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: TXN102@psuvm.psu.edu (Phaedrus)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Ok, Ok...
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:39:27 GMT
 <1apkhiINNe9l@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> <1ar3obINN7vl@agate.berkeley.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

Alan Jaffray wrote:
> *so* depressed

well, here's a thought.  what is more precious than life?  nothing,
right?  to hold it entirely in one's hands must be the most satisfying
thing in the world.  it seems to be that suicide is one of the highest
achievements one could aspire to, and perhaps this is what connibear
felt, as well.  his plans set, of course he was in a good mood!

gist:  why must suicide be the bottom of everything?  why not the top?

Thi
Xref: sparky alt.suicide.holiday:2217 alt.finals.suicide:4
From: xine@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (a poor excuse for a red m+m)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday,alt.finals.suicide
Subject: Re: Old fogeys
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:57:38 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu


	[ignore this post if you only read this group for depressing
	 stuffs;  what i have to say is/was the total opposite, for 
	 me, at least, and i feel the need to share it.]

	 megazone@dolomite.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:

>Where have you been man! I never left. :-) I remember when WPI almost took
>over this group; crimson, needles, wildone, mark, fmeyer(RIP), and myself...

	speaking of mike/fmeyer@wpi/fnord@wam, it's been ten months since
	he took his life.  i wrote a psych paper on how his suicide affected
	me (the overwhelming guilt i felt, and about how i blamed myself 
	for not 'saving' him [no comments on this, okay?  the 'saving' part
	might not be something you feel is correct, but i do feel that he 
	wasted what he had].  in the course of the paper, i found a study
	that said people with borderline personality disorder (mike/fmeyer
	fit the profile perfectly) along with a major depression (yep) were
	50 TIMES more likely to kill themselves than a 'normal' person.  so
	now i don't feel guilty, and i realize that i-- we-- did all i/we 
	could for him.
							--xine

--
xine@wpi.wpi.edu... 
 %% she gets mad   and she starts to cry  she takes a swing   but she can't hit
     she don't mean no harm   she just don't know   what else to do about it %%
							--Jane's Addiction
From: traveja@wkuvx1.bitnet (Mathmagician/Fizix Geek)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: apropos of nothing
Date: 26 Sep 92 20:24:07 GMT
Distribution: alt.suicide.holiday
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <DSTEINBE.92Sep25201949@emmy.nmsu.edu>, dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg) writes:
> I read somewhere that suicidal tendencies come from a temporary
> depression combined with a temporary failure to realise that the
> depression was just temporary.  At times I find that definition
> amusing; it beat posting about how depressed I am...
> "Who would have thought it
>  That's where I am:  No future at all..."-Phish
> -David "ZZYZX" Steinberg

Sounds like a vicious circus, ..uh, I mean cycle , to me! 
I know, I've been there before for a longer than "temporary"
time. Hope stop feeling depressed!  :) 

Regards,
Jeffery
________________________________________________________________
Jeffery A. Travelstead		traveja@wkuvx1.bitnet
Department of Physics		I'd rather have a free bottle in
Western Kentucky University	front of me than a prefrontal
Bowling Green, KY USA 42101		lobotomy. 
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From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: a question...
Date: 29 Sep 92 00:48:41 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep23.172613.5651@bradford.ac.uk> I.Rutson@bradford.ac.uk (Ian Rutson) writes:
>
>Hmmm... not so sure about that one.  The old 'shotgun in the mouth'
>method isn't as sure-fire (pardon the pun!) as it may first appear. 
>Apparently, it is only efective if you close your mouth tightly around
>the barrel, otherwise you just get paralysed.

My brother's favorite nursing case was the bozo who tried the shotgun
in the mouth trick. He blew his face off up to the eyebrows and
survived with no face and blind. The blindness wasn't the hassle you'd
expect, since at least he didn't have to shave anymore.


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Re: hi again
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:22:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.140302.8498@bradford.ac.uk> R.Dodgin@bradford.ac.uk (R DODGIN) writes:
>Hi all,
>         I'm glad to say I'm back at a terminal after the summer hols
>with a new approach to life that'll ensure continued happiness (well in
>theory anyway).
>
>Whats been happening ?
>Who else is back on ASH ? All the old regulars I hope,

Well, things have kind of changed...I've been taking a bit of a vacation
from ASH in the past month or two....We managed to beat back YetAnother
TakeoverAttempt by the warmfuzzies earlier this summer and it was
pretty much about then that I left for a vacation of my own. Most of 
the regulars seem to have gone back to lurking for some unexplained
reason...

Our Lady of The Ruby Claw is currently vacating in Europe, due back in 
her obsidian palace about a month or so...

Thats pretty much how I see things...
---Steve
-- 
Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
"You see, I'm kind of this control freak who likes to create his own
personal hells before the real one can get to him. I like to beat hell
to hell so to speak".--Spalding Gray "Monster in a box"
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: Expensive suicide
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:36:18 GMT

In article <9227603.5737@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus James HENDERSON) writes:
 
>
>OK then, what's the most EXPENSIVE way to commit suicide?
   Gosh, does it count if you take anyone with you?
  Seems to me the most expensive would be to trigger a nuclear world war,
and make sure you're out there at ground zero of one of the target cities.
Hey! Let's go!
 
 
>
e.k.
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: cheap suicide
Date: 1 Oct 92 14:57:19 GMT
	<168657848.EUCLID@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu> <zlsiida.139@fs1.mcc.ac.uk>
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

In article <zlsiida.139@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd) writes:

   How about waiting for winter and walking naked into miles of snow covered 
   countryside?  Something nice to look at.......
   Or swim out to sea until you're too tired to make it back.  We're not going 
   to count the cost of swimming lessons are we?



Hey, if you don't have swimming lessons, you go that much quicker
:@)...
But how are you getting to the sea?
-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg
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*  "There's a dog in the station  *
*   With a bad reputation         *
*   That's a sign of the nation's *
*   Decay"                        *
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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: *thunk*thunk*thunk*
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:00:44 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1992Oct1.021224.8475@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:

>       *ug*  What wonderful timing... I always get ill right before
>       I realized I have to cram for exams that I've forgotten...

Doesn't this suggest a causal relationship?  Why not get one of those 
reminder programs for your machine?  I never miss those relatives birthdays 
anymore....




              Have another day    [Armageddon, the musical] 
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: Ok, Ok...
Date: 4 Oct 92 16:42:55 GMT
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

In article <1992Oct2.153052.8424@udel.edu> awatson@pecan.cns.udel.edu (angela watson) writes:
               (stuff deleted)
   ... life's just
   too oppressive now.  Reading Conibear's post didn't help either... 

	   Psycho kitten...


I'm just glad that someone else was distrubed by that post.  Most of
the responses (other than those calling it a hoax, which I can only
hope is true) seemed to be lightheartedly supportive.  I can
understand that reacation, kind of like the Code of the ASHers, or
some such thing, but I was wondering if I was the only one to be
bothered by it.  I'm having trouble making my thoughts clear, so I had
better stop now...
-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg
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*  "There's a dog in the station  *
*   With a bad reputation         *
*   That's a sign of the nation's *
*   Decay"                        *
***********************************
p.s. just to make things clear, I was NOT flaming anyone.  I respect
how others dealt with that post.
Xref: sparky alt.suicide.holiday:2228 alt.finals.suicide:5
From: mtspace@wpi.WPI.EDU (Matt Murphy)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday,alt.finals.suicide
Subject: Re: Old fogeys
Date: 6 Oct 1992 19:50:26 GMT
Organization: Wolfgang Rebellion
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1am794INNgnn@bigboote.WPI.EDU> megazone@dolomite.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>In article <jgs1.718168064@Isis.MsState.Edu> jgs1@ra.msstate.edu (jimi strickland) writes:
>>megazone@coal.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>>>From the haze of memoery I faintly recall that from discussions years ago.
>>>BTW, when exactly was a.s.h created? I joined on in Sept. 89.
>>    Whoa!  I didn't know you were still here... hee hee
...there are more

>>    I joined sometime in the summer or fall of 1989.
>>    I don't know the month like you do.. ;-)
>
>I remember the month because I entered WPI the last week of August 1989 and
>within a month I had found the nets and news and a.s.h was one of my first
>groups... This and rec.arts.anime are my two favorites actually...
I remember that year...my origins of hacking at midnight (or later)

>>    (been on the net since 1987, discovered Usenet in 1989)
>
>On the nets since Sept 1989, Usenet at the same time
and now the reunion...
 	sometime October 1989

>I'm pretty sure mark@wpi still either lurks or drops in from time to time,
>I wonder if any others from the dark days of ash are still out there? hello?
>anyone out there? Any a.f.s people?
as always...forcing through the days, getting better and dealing and living,
	just looking to rest.

Matt.  (people will pass, but memory is forever)
--------
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* Matt Murphy          | "The world is collapsing outside and I've	      *
* mtspace@wpi.wpi.edu  |  	got an erection."- _Eversmile,_New_Jersey_    *
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Subject: Re: Expensive suicide
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 05:02:13 GMT

In article <9227603.5737@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus James HENDERSON) writes:

   OK then, what's the most EXPENSIVE way to commit suicide?



How about this sports fans:
Get on a plane, fly to Seattle.  While there, pay for an exact
duplicate of Mount Ranier to be built 10 miles away from the orginal.
After that is finished, construct a suspension bridge from the two
peaks.  Now you don't want this to be just any suspension bridge, mind
you.  You want it to be built in such a way that the wind from the
canyon between the Mount Ranier's will slowly tear it to pieces.  So
buy a Cray supercomputer to make sure that you get the bridge built
absolutely right.  Then use the computer to calculate the exact second
the bridge will destruct.  Hire out Steven Spielberg to film the
collapse.  Tell him to use only the most expensive equipment and
technical people.  Meanwhile, hire 500,000 extras at $100,000 a piece
to stand on the bridge when it breaks apart.  In order to make sure
that they all survive, equipt them all with top quality parachutes.
Stand in the middle of the crowd.  When the bridge collapses, pull
your rip cord.  Using the expertise you got from hours and hours of
skydiving lessons (that, of course, you paid for), land in the open
nose cone of a rocket (state of the art, bought from NASA) that is in
the center of the canyon.  Since one Cray probably won't be enough to
propel a rocket on an exact course, make sure you buy a whole bank of
supercomputers.  Then the NASA staff you have hired program the rocket
to hit the Space Needle, killing you (and everyone on it at the time)
and destroying Seattle's most famous tourist attraction.  Have your
estate reimburse those killed, and pay to reconstruct the Space
Needle.

-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg
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*  "There's a dog in the station  *
*   With a bad reputation         *
*   That's a sign of the nation's *
*   Decay"                        *
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From: megazone@dolomite.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday,alt.finals.suicide
Subject: Old fogeys
Date: 4 Oct 92 07:42:28 GMT
Organization: WPI USAF -- United Society of Animation Fans
NNTP-Posting-Host: dolomite.wpi.edu

In article <jgs1.718168064@Isis.MsState.Edu> jgs1@ra.msstate.edu (jimi strickland) writes:
>megazone@coal.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:
>>From the haze of memoery I faintly recall that from discussions years ago.
>>BTW, when exactly was a.s.h created? I joined on in Sept. 89.
>    Whoa!  I didn't know you were still here... hee hee

Where have you been man! I never left. :-) I remember when WPI almost took
over this group; crimson, needles, wildone, mark, fmeyer(RIP), and myself...
(I know I forgot people...) It was great when people asked what was so bad
about WPI that half the ashers were students here... hehehe But I stayed
sane.... Bwahahahaha....

Boy, that does a lot for my self-image... I think I'll slink into the shadows
now.... :-)

>    It was created then, as I recall along with alt.suicide.finals
Oops, alt.finals.suicide, I do it too...

Hey, I'm still subscribed to a.f.s... not much traffic anymore though, never
was much to start with.

>    I joined sometime in the summer or fall of 1989.
>    I don't know the month like you do.. ;-)

I remember the month because I entered WPI the last week of August 1989 and
within a month I had found the nets and news and a.s.h was one of my first
groups... This and rec.arts.anime are my two favorites actually...

>    (been on the net since 1987, discovered Usenet in 1989)

On the nets since Sept 1989, Usenet at the same time.

>               -jimi  Co-Overlord of A.S.H. now that Mega is here-

Why thank you, I'm flattered...

I'm pretty sure mark@wpi still either lurks or drops in from time to time,
I wonder if any others from the dark days of ash are still out there? hello?
anyone out there? Any a.f.s people?

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: jgs1@ra.msstate.edu (jimi strickland)
Subject: Re: theme song?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:07:44 GMT

megazone@coal.WPI.EDU (MegaZone23) writes:

>In article <jgs1.717860098@Isis.MsState.Edu> jgs1@ra.msstate.edu (jimi strickland) writes:
>>  The theme song for the group is "Fade to Black" by Metallica.
>>  I am sure no one who reads this group knows that since I am the only
>>  one left since the group was created years ago.
>>  But, that is it.  our theme song.

>From the haze of memoery I faintly recall that from discussions years ago.

>BTW, when exactly was a.s.h created? I joined on in Sept. 89.

    Whoa!  I didn't know you were still here... hee hee
    It was created then, as I recall along with alt.suicide.finals
    I joined sometime in the summer or fall of 1989.
    I don't know the month like you do.. ;-)
    (been on the net since 1987, discovered Usenet in 1989)

               -jimi  Co-Overlord of A.S.H. now that Mega is here-
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: jgs1@ra.msstate.edu (jimi strickland)
Subject: Re: theme song?
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:34:58 GMT

williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams) writes:


>Does this group have a theme song? 

  The theme song for the group is "Fade to Black" by Metallica.
  I am sure no one who reads this group knows that since I am the only
  one left since the group was created years ago.
  But, that is it.  our theme song.

            -jimetal-
        Grand Overlord blah blah blah A.S.H.
 
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: dsteinbe@nmsu.edu (David Steinberg)
Subject: Re: clarification
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt.suicide.holiday
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:00:19 GMT

In article <zlsiida.140@fs1.mcc.ac.uk> zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave
budd) writes: 
   In article <DSTEINBE.92Sep21124441@emmy.nmsu.edu> dsteinbe@nmsu.edu
(David Steinberg) writes: 

   >A quick clarification/apology to those who may have been offended:
   >My message #4370 was supposed to be a sarcastic reply to #4363 by
   >evans.  (Hence the second paragraph about people who go to Dead shows
   >to pick up cheap women, etc.)
   >I had forgotten that sarcasm does not translate well in writing.

   You also forgot that article numbers are different at every site, so quoting 
   them is meaningless or misleading


		 Have another day    [Armageddon, the musical] 
     Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  


O.k., this is nitpicky, but I didn't forget that article numbers vary,
I just didn't know.  If anyone is really curious, I'll dig up the old
article.  (What fun, what joy, what bliss, what rapture :@)
-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg
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*  "There's a dog in the station  *
*   With a bad reputation         *
*   That's a sign of the nation's *
*   Decay"                        *
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From: tb2@doc.ic.ac.uk (Timothy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
Subject: Re: The Jump
Date: 5 Oct 1992 15:24:36 +0100
Organization: Department of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: oak6.doc.ic.ac.uk

In article <1992Oct3.034636.9521@news.uit.no> espensk@stud.cs.uit.no (Espen Skoglund) writes:
>I've allways fantasized about jumping from the Notre Dame while I filmed the whole
>thing. I would have one camera applied to my head and another which followed me
>from the top and to the bottom. My problems are:
> 1) I can't afford the ticket to Paris.
Do it at a local church/cathedral.

> 2) I can't afford the price of the cameras.
> 3) Somebody have to do the filming of camera 2.
Ask Candid Camera, or one of these other home video shows to film it for you.

>Well, what can I do? Anybody?

It's obvious this is a slightly cheaper method, but the end result should be
identical - and the Networks will love it.


Tim B.
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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: espensk@stud.cs.uit.no (Espen Skoglund)
Subject: The Jump
Organization: University of Tromsoe
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:46:36 GMT

I've allways fantasized about jumping from the Notre Dame while I filmed the whole
thing. I would have one camera applied to my head and another which followed me
from the top and to the bottom. My problems are:
 1) I can't afford the ticket to Paris.
 2) I can't afford the price of the cameras.
 3) Somebody have to do the filming of camera 2.

Well, what can I do? Anybody?


Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Subject: Re: theme song?
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:45:42 GMT

In <jgs1.717860098@Isis.MsState.Edu> jgs1@ra.msstate.edu (jimi strickland) writes:

>>Does this group have a theme song? 

>  The theme song for the group is "Fade to Black" by Metallica.

Ahhh. Taste (of a sort). I'd have gone for either 'Comfortably Numb'
(Pink Floyd)...or 'Theme from M.A.S.H.' personally...but there you go.

>  I am sure no one who reads this group knows that since I am the only
>  one left since the group was created years ago.

*sniff* That's so sad. *cue melancholy violin in b/ground* I remember
when I was a lad the buses came every 5 minutes - and it was only a
shilling too...

>        Grand Overlord blah blah blah A.S.H.

*sigh* Sounds like you're getting tired of the struggle dude.

Ollie/Lucifuge...

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Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: hughes@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Susan Hughes)
Subject: Re: Ok, Ok...
Summary: Depressed?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:50:01 GMT

>But it does sort of disturb me when I think about it.  I mean, from the
>article you can clearly see that this was a person who still had a strong
>sense of humor, and wasn't too distressed to not be able to make rather
>intricate plans, and yet he still became *so* depressed as to decide that
>life wasn't worth living.  It bothers me in two ways, first in that he
>probably appeared in good spirits to others, his acquaintances might well
>have never seen it coming, it's an example of how we might not really
>have a clue about those we think we know best... second since although
>I've never been really suicidal, I have been very depressed at times,
>and I've been using my sense of humor to try to change my viewpoint and
>prevent it from happening again, and perhaps that may not be enough...
>it didn't work for Dave...  Maybe it's just too superficial.
>
>Anyway, hope he's found peace, or whatever...
>
>-- Alan

Why do people assume that someone who is suicidal is necessarily *so*
depressed? It's possible that he evaluated his life/pain, weighed out
the options, and came to a logical conclusion that it wasn't worth it
for him and that he didn't want to be here anymore. Suicide is a very
final action, but that doesn't mean it's always irrational. Leave the
man in peace...

Sue


Newsgroups: alt.suicide.holiday
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: theme song?
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 15:48:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.230826.4183@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, williasr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Steven R. Williams) writes:
>(Goin) on a suicide holiday
>I Got-ta find a better way,
>To kill the time of day
>I'm Gonna reach a higher plain.
>
>If you come I will meet you there
>If you don't go you'll go nowhere,
>Don't wonder why the people stare
>I hope you're got-ta meet me there.
>
>Look around for a brighter day
>If things are drab just move away
>And if you're going go to stay
>Come on a suicide holiday.

Does this song have a melody & chord progression yet?

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
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