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From: arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 21:28:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.140838.9121@daimi.aau.dk> rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen) writes:
> arielle@NeoSoft.com (Stephanie da Silva) writes:
> 
> >No one said anything.  Well, I think there were like 2 comments, one pro,
> >one con.  Then I newgrouped.  
> 
> No one said anything?!?!?! We are in the middle of a long thread started
> by your proposal. That can hardly be labelled as no respons.

I should have been more precise, my fault.

There was very little discussion IN RESPONSE TO MY ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.

The current discussion was set off by the actual newgroup control message.
What I can't understand if so many people had a problem with it, why didn't
they say anything before I sent the control message?

What's so funny is the exact same thing happened when I proposed this as a
rec group.  There was no discussion at all to speak of (just some negative
feedback from rec.arts.tv saying it didn't belong in the r.a.tv heirarchy).  
So I did a CFV, the proposal failed and a huge discussion followed afterwards.
So bizarre.  
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.privacy
From: jlaiho@ichaos.nullnet.fi (Juha Laiho)
Subject: Re: CFD: alt.privacy.encryption
Organization: NullNet r.y.
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 22:52:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.205534.13243@nntp.hut.fi> jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) writes:
>I think it should be a bit more general group - how about
>alt.privacy.tech?  That would also include technology for anonymity,
>using pseudonyms and so on.
>
I'd think that .tech sounds too much like electrical gadgets to keep
burglars outside. (or at least call the police if they get inside..)
Of course, if you intended it to sound like the newsgroup would be for
discussing any technologies to ensure privacy.

..Wolf
From: pjb4288@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Pete - Toonatic - Boulay)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: That Bitch
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:38:29 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: pjb4288@ultb

This crap about a single woman is absolutely innappropriate and derogatory.

This shit belongs in email and that is all that needs to be said.


-- 
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From: saint@cats.ucsc.edu (Dan Bodenheimer)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: Re: PROPOSAL for group alt.fan.mystery.detective
Date: 5 Sep 92 18:32:19 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


Okay so I did a bit more research... There are a ton of Science Fiction
newsgroups. List:
rec.arts.sf-lovers
rec.arts.sf-reviews
rec.arts.sf.announce
rec.arts.sf.fandom
rec.arts.sf.marketplace
rec.arts.sf.misc
rec.arts.sf.reviews
rec.arts.sf.science
rec.arts.sf.starwars
rec.arts.sf.tv
rec.arts.sf.written
rec.arts.startrek.fandom
rec.arts.startrek.info

How come there are no mystery or detective newsgroups. My propsal still
stands, but I am thinking for trying for the rec.arts version? What do
you think? This would be an unmoderated group.
-Dan
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Proposal: alt.herbalism
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 21:13:22 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Sep8.165506.16803@wolves.uucp> news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den) writes:
>                             This, being the "alt" net, is not bound by
>the limitations of the "control freaks" and "information hoarders" or
>those who would censor the speech and thought of others.

This is your only valid argument, and on this basis you win. I neglected
to consider the proposed newsgroup is an "alt" newsgroup. In practice,
since just about anything on an "alt" newsgroup is tolerated, there is no
reason why a group on herbalism should not be tolerated, as well.

This argument could have been easily avoided had you allowed me to
cast my "no" vote without making inflammatory comments. You represent
yourself as a detached news adminstrator, who is only doing his job,
without personal interest in the outcome of the votes. Clearly,
this is untrue. Otherwise, you would have never flamed my vote
because I never attacked you. I attacked the proposed newsgroup.

It is totally inappropriate for a news administrator to solicit
votes for a new newsgroup, as part of his job, and then to personally
flame individuals participating in the vote. It's no different than a
sales clerk who mistreats a customer. If I were your boss, you would
be fired.


Newsgroups: alt.config
From: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu (Multi-Tasking Man)
Subject: Re: alt.comics.lnh (bad name!)
Originator: jecoleb@c00380-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jecoleb@eos.ncsu.edu
Organization: The Ghost Of Christmas Past Society
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:22:52 GMT


>Two questions--
>
>1) If the League of Net-Heroes was originally devised to save rec.arts.comics,
>will it fade away once rec.arts.comics is gone?

Heh... the LNH wasn't created to SAVE rec.arts.comics, as r.a.c. was kind of
yanked out from under us over the summer.  The current story evolved as a
response to that "Crisis On Earth-R.A.C.", and will end as r.a.c. does.
It's got too much momentum to disappear completely at this point, tho.

>2) Will it be "open"?  Will it only be for those already established as "Net
>Heroes", or will it be something where people can introduce new characters? 
> Do you have such guidelines thought out yet?

Sure, membership is open, we can always use a few more suckers--er, authors.
Those who are adept at comic cliches, history, contemporary trends, story
style and/or have a warped sense of humor will prosper nicely.  There's a 
mini-FAQ on the way that will address this nicely, as soon as I work the 
bugs out of my brain-dead news server. 

If someone's creative and doesn't try to spam others' characters, I'm sure
they'll fit in just fine.

However, we're NOT the Legion of Net.Idiots.  That's the precinct of
alt.flame, I believe. ;)  (Although I would like to see Kevin Darcy or
Suzanne Forgach go head to head with the Time Crapper sometime.)

			  --still listening, Multi-Tasking Man, LNH HQ.
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Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.newgroup,news.admin.misc,news.groups
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: name for "alt.amateur-comp"
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 16:13:56 GMT

In article <BuGv8M.9Bp@unix.amherst.edu> twpierce@unix.amherst.edu
(Tim Pierce) posts Ronda Hauben's (ronda@ais.org) comments about the
name "alt.amateur-comp":

>> > What I was wondering is if there was an existing or new alt hierarchy
>> > that would make the meaning of "amateur-comp" clearer in context.  For
>>
>> No Tim, the problem was that there WASN'T the appropriate alt hierarchy
>> and it seemed premature to start one.

Not necessarily so.  Besides, I think that appropriate hierarchies
exist -- see my defense below.

>> The Amateur Computerist is
>> about Amateurs - of all kinds - those who love computers especially,
>> but also, amateur as opposed to professional or commercial.
>>
>> So it seemed that if it were to fit into a hierarchy - it was
>> an alt.amateur hierarchy and I originally proposed that but had
>> pointed out to me that there was no such hierarchy and it wasn't
>> advisable to start one at this point.

Sounds like you were told specifically that it would be premature to
start an "alt.amateur" hierarchy.  Whether or not there would be
another, more appropriate hierarchy to put the group in is another
matter.

"The Amateur Computerist" may be about Amateurs, but *WHAT* is "the
Amateur Computerist?"  What kind of entity is this that a newsgroup is
dedicated to?  That's the question I was trying to find an answer to.

>> So it really doesn't fit with zines - its not a zine - and it doesn't 
>> fit with alt.society  because its not an alt.society -

Neither is the Activist Times or Computer Underground.  They are
publications which relate to society.  I think the Amateur Computerist
would have been in very good company there.

>> BTW what is your objection to our name? Alt.beer or alt.alt don't seem
>> any more specific that alt.amateur-comp.

Specificity is not what I'm aiming for -- clarity is.  "alt.alt" is
moot -- it's a joke newsgroup.  "alt.beer", however, is obvious.
Everyone knows what "beer" is, for heaven's sake.  It's for that
reason that I'm not objecting to "alt.architecture" -- if you have to
ask what architecture is, don't bother.  "amateur-comp", however, is
not a widely-known, immediately-recognizable name.  If it were at
least under some hierarchy name, newcomers might have an easier time
of understanding what it's about.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:36:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.171501.17377@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) writes:

>The net.name.pundit growls as he sees the newgroup go out...
>
>"Should be alt.tv.disney.afternoon - no, alt.tv.disney..."

Alt.tv.disney-aftn would work.  Cluck, cluck, Peter and Arielle. :-)

>(The net.pundit does not like having two Ren-n-Stimpy groups and two
> MST-3000 groups cluttering up the altnet, and notes that the .tv.
> grouyps get most of the volume.)

Even I would admit that "cluttering up" is a poor term to use for two
groups, but the problem is obviously not limited to two groups.

alt.fan.disney.afternoon is a brand-new group.  If I hear no
objections, tomorrow I will newgroup alt.tv.disney-aftn and rmgroup
alt.fan.disney.afternoon.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Xref: sparky alt.config:5480 news.groups:17618 alt.motorcycles.harley:762
From: ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel)
Newsgroups: alt.config,news.groups,alt.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: removal of alt.motorcycles.harley
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:59:29 GMT
Followup-To: alt.config
Organization: University of Wales - Aberystwyth - Prifysgol Cymru

[* Follow-ups redirected to alt.config *]

In article <1992Sep3.040241.1456@thinkage.on.ca>
   kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) doodled:

> yes i realize that is it impossible to get an alt group removed
> once it takes root, however,
> 
> with the recent creation of rec.motorcycles.harley and the
> continued health of the harley mailing list (harley-request@thinkage.on.ca)
> i believe that the alt variation is now quite redundant and
> should be removed.

Good idea.

If there are no serious objections before Monday (either posted to
alt.config or mailed to myself) I will issue an rmgroup for it then.

- Chris
-- 
 Christopher Samuel, c/o Computer Unit, UCW Aberystwyth, Aberystwyth, WALES
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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: greg@pomona.claremont.edu (Tigger)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 11 Sep 92 12:01:11 PDT

In article <BuDynt.G1K@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> 
> What really makes me wonder is that people seem to think that because
> there are fewer rules, there should be no rules.

Rule #1:  There are no rules in a knife fight.

--
|  Greg Orman                          greg@pomona.claremont.edu  |
|     A man's best friends:  a Harley, a Beretta, and a Gund.     |
|         Pomona doesn't pay me enough to speak for them.         |
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.politics.clinton
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Creating alt.politics.democrats groups
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:44:25 GMT

In article <CKD.92Sep7203154@loiosh.eff.org> ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes:

> Michael> And where are the equivalent republican groups? :)
>
>% whois bush-quayle.org
>No match for "BUSH-QUAYLE.ORG".

Try ".COM".

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Followup-To: alt.config
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:18:11 GMT

those of us using alt.fan.disney.afternoon will find two groups to work just
fine - we end up in a situation similar to ren and stimpy, etc. where both
groups get used, just one will get used more than the other.  But having only
one group would be preferred - and the first one there typically wins.
-- 
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From: smith@canon.co.uk (Mark Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: proposed FAQ for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Date: 14 Sep 92 12:49:17 GMT
Organization: Canon Research Centre Europe Ltd

Top ten FAQ questions!  All quotes genuine!  Trade them with your friends!


*** 1.  So what's this group about anyway?

> Maybe you're not familiar with the term "Disney Afternoon."  It 
> describes a block of afternoon programming, usually (but not always) 
> shown in the 3pm to 5pm time slot.


*** 2.  So it's about Disney tv shows?

> I think the fact that Disney produces these shows is incidental.
> We're not necessarily fans of Disney, we're fans of these shows
> that happen to be produced by Disney and happen to be (mostly)
> shown in the afternoon.


*** 3.  Oh.  So it's about tv shows on in the afternoon then?

> The "Disney Afternoon" refers to a certain set of shows,
> regardless of what time they're shown.

> They're not shown together in many markets in the US, either.

> Basically, we're talking about any shows that have been or will be
> shown on the Disney Afternoon, regardless of what time slot they're 
> shown in


*** 4.  Oh.  So it's about a certain set of tv shows, but the fact that
        they're produced by Disney is incidental, and they might not be
        shown in the afternoon.  So which shows are we talking about?

> The lineup changes every year, usually the oldest show gets dropped
> and a new one gets added on.  


*** 5.  Oh dear.  Can we at least narrow it down to "certain tv shows"?

> the Disney Afternoon involves considerably more than just the tv shows.

> And anything relevent is game for discussion.  If a Disney Afternoon 
> episode has a movie reference in it, then yes, that movie is appropriate 
> for discussion.

> Also, any topic even remotely relevent should be discussed, including 
> merchandising, movies, speculation, influences, etc.


*** 6.  OK, so it's anything remotely connected to a certain set of shows.
        We are at least narrowing it down to this set of shows, right?

> Even non-DA programming is relevent.  


*** 7.  Good grief.  Is this just an American thing?

> (I'm glad you didn't tell me it was just an American thing -- I got
> real tired of hearing that one)


*** 8.  Well, that's good, at least.  So what topics of worldwide interest
        would be discussed?

> A big topic is how Batman has been put into the Fox slot opposite
> Goof Troop in many markets (and in markets where FOX had the DA, then 
> Goof Troop got bumped into a different time slot) and so there's a 
> competition there.


*** 9.  Christ.  How do you get into this mess?

> Because this is one of those situations where the name itself
> transcends its meaning.


*** 10.  Huh?  What on earth are you babbling about?

> The terms I use are entirely accurate.



---- Mark Smith ---- Canon Research Europe ---- smith@canon.co.uk ----
*** 11.  Ok.  I give up.
Good.  That's another net.bozo dealt with.
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: alt.colleges proposal
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:34:22 GMT

In article <dsmith.716004461@aa.cad.slb.com> dsmith@aa.cad.slb.com 
 (J. Daniel Smith) thinks that:
>it would be fun, interesting and useful to have newsgroups devoted to
>individual colleges and universities throughout the world. 

It would not be "fun, interesting, and useful" to waste bandwidth on
that kind of scale.

>This idea surfaced again a few weeks ago when I was looking for a 1992
>Michigan State Football schedule.

Run, don't walk, to news.announce.newusers, where you'll find articles
titled "Regional Newsgroup Hierarchies, part {I,II,III}".  One of them
mentions mi.misc, which is a Michigan-miscellaneous newsgroup, and seems
like the perfect place to ask your question.

>However, it was necessary to bother all of r.s.f.c for a MSU
>football schedule; seems like too broad of an audience.

Run, don't walk, to news.announce.newusers, where you'll find articles
titled "Rules for posting to Usenet", "Answers to Frequently Asked
Questions", and "A Primer on How to Work With the Usenet Community".
These will explain the feature known as "Distribution:".

>Thus, the idea of having a newsgroup devoted to individual colleges
>and universities.

The University of Chicago currently has twenty-four.  They're local.
Now multiply that number by the thousands of university hierarchies
worldwide, and think about it.  I certainly have no desire to carry
traffic for every campus in the world:  how about you?

>J. Daniel Smith                     Internet: dsmith@aa.cad.slb.com
>Schlumberger CAD/CAM                          dsmith@aaaca1.sinet.slb.com

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Newsgroups: alt.config
From: kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
    <1992Sep05.155322.26563@NeoSoft.com> 
    <1992Sep6.171501.17377@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> <BuAq8I.BH7@unix.amherst.edu>
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 13:01:11 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

>alt.fan.disney.afternoon is a brand-new group.  If I hear no
>objections, tomorrow I will newgroup alt.tv.disney-aftn and rmgroup
>alt.fan.disney.afternoon.

Please don't.  It has been proven virtually impossible to really remove
an alt group once it has been created.  Rather than have two groups
with the resulting confusion, you might as well use a.f.d.a.

Besides, it's not *that* bad a name...
-- 
Kenneth Herron                                           kherron@ms.uky.edu
University of Kentucky                                      +1 606 257 2975
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From: saint@cats.ucsc.edu (Dan Bodenheimer)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: PROPOSAL for group alt.fan.mystery.detective
Date: 5 Sep 1992 18:20:20 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


I am proposing the creation of the group alt.fan.mystery.detective

This group would be in the same vein as the Star Trek and assorted
other newsgroups that are much valued on the net. The forum would be
open to any and all discusion about the msytery or detective genre.
Topics would range from television, movies, and books, to authors,
actors, and characters. Anyone interested in great mystery writers,
television detectives, and current news as to what is happening in
the world of suspense will be pleased to have this group available.

I would like any suggestions for a charter, and or an opinion of the
worthiness of such a group. No group exists that carries this load.
rec.arts.books is much too big for such topics. Perhaps if enough
interest in forthcoming a joint proposal can be offered for two new
usenet groups: rec.arts.mystery.detective and rec.arts.sci-fi.fantasy
I do not think that either group is available, I was not able to find
any on my system.

Dan Bodenheimer
saint@cats.ucsc.edu

Newsgroups: alt.config
From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Subject: Re: Proposal for alt.fan.disney.afternoon
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:07:02 GMT

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
> >Besides, this is the alt heirarchy so it doesn't really matter.  <wink>
> 
> Uh-huh.

Before I proposed this group, I read the guidelines for creating an
alt group.  In case you haven't read the posting, it says this:

From: ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher Samuel)
Newsgroups: alt.config,news.groups,news.answers
Subject: Creating a new "alt" group -- guidelines
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:28:26 GMT

		Guidelines for the creation of an "alt" group.

  When choosing a name for a group please note the only commandment: Thou
  shalt not choose a group name which may cause network harm or harm to a
  local machine. 

According to this, I have chosen a valid name.

Since you're so insistent this is just a tv show, should I create a
new group for the comic books?  And another one for the movies (they've
just started working on a Goof Troop major motion picture)?
And yet another for the merchandising?

The guidelines also say this:

  Don't take this all too seriously, though.  The "alt" net is the last
  remaining refuge away from the control freaks, namespace purists and
  net.cops that maintain and enforce the mainstream newsgroup guidelines.

Kind of makes one wonder, huh?
-- 
Stephanie da Silva                                    arielle@taronga.com
"I am *not* Tuskernini -- and this is an excellent disguise!" -- Tuskernini
Newsgroups: alt.config
From: dsdd@okcforum (Roy Barrett)
Subject: PROPOSAL: alt.tv.nick-at-nite
Originator: usenet@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 03:28:11 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

 A lot of people watch old Nite at Nite TV, and I think there is a great need for alt.tv.nick-at-nite... please send E-mail responses..

Also, maybe..

alt.tv.snick
            


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