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From: bvntyler@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Professional Amateur Nudist!)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nude photographer (was Re: Photos at nude beaches)
Date: 3 Oct 92 14:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Oct1.164706.8019@cc.tut.fi>, ta66863@cc.tut.fi (Ahlqvist Tero) writes...
> 
>If someone would take a photograph of me while I was nude, I surely
>wouldn't be offended if the photographer was also nude. 
> 
>Makes sense, doesn't it ? :-)
> 
>Tero.

 Yup. It;s intelligent.. unless you out-right DON;t want your picture taken!

 personally i enjoy it..  *smile*

Dave
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From: "stan phillips" <stan.phillips@canrem.com>
Subject: breasts (but w*a*y of
Reply-To: "stan phillips" <stan.phillips@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:14:07 EST

Conf: U-NUDE (4225)              Direction: FORWARD

TD>I'll believe that _you_ (plural) believe that foetuses are alive when
TD>and only when the church starts urging people to have _funerals_ for
TD>spontaneous first-trimester abortions. 

What makes you think that they do not ?

Stan Phillips
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Clothes
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:58:49 GMT

middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:

>Clothes in general are a sign of wealth and status.  National Geographic
>can display some tribeswomen from a far off land bare-breasted because
>those women have no wealth or status*.  But show a picture of bare-breasted
>Princess Di and the world is in an uproar because wealthy woman with status
>don't show their breasts.  Think about the status difference between a man
>wearing a t-shirt and shorts and a man wearing a 3-piece suit.

Princess Di lives in perhaps the most squeamish of all sexually squeamish
white western cultures. Her status has little to do with it.

>*footnote: those tribeswomen may have wealth and status within their own
>tribe which may be symbolized by rings or jewelry, just not clothes.

And they're all nude . . . ? So aren't you contradicting yourself?

Madonna - has wealth and status, and gets as nude as she wants to be.
Well, maybe not onstage yet. But just wait . . .
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: Re: nudity in the dorms
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:27:23 GMT

While I sympathize with you, I think you could solve your problem by
locking your door and/or posting a message such as "Warning, Occupants
of room may be naked!" or some such.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
[.sig on vacation]
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Sex and (vs.) Nudity
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:42:49 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <Bvns48.651@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v076rtlz@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Howard M. Green) writes:

> in opposition to the partial nudity(this is from memory, but I am quoting the 
> man's exact words)-

> 	[women going topless] will lead to disrespect for the law, 
> 	people "not going to work", "fornicating in the streets"

I'm sure people will still go to work. ;-)

Terry
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From: tsahib@vipunen.hut.fi (Tero Juhani Heikkinen)
Subject: Naturist meetings in Finland
Summary: list of, this autumn
Reply-To: tsahib@vipunen.hut.fi (Tero Juhani Heikkinen)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:43:30 GMT

My apologies if this isn't the right newsfroup for this, but...

The weather up here has turned decidedly bracing, so Finnish naturists have
moved to the Great Indoors. The Finnish naturist association, Luonnonmukaiset
ry, meet in Helsinki approx. every other Sunday before Christmas for swimming,
sauna and socializing.

Time: 10:50 - 13:50
Days: 11 Oct, 25 Oct, 8 Nov, 22 Nov, 13 Dec
Place: varies

We charge FIM 25.00 from every adult, sorry. Guests of members are always
welcome, so if you're in town on one of those Sundays, do throw me a note. 
(I'm a deputy Board member, but you don't have to grovel unless you really
want to :-)
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BCNU,
tsahib.
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From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Civil Wars
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:11:13 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1afftfINN5u1@smaug.West.Sun.COM>, Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews) writes:

> I didn't see the show with Hemingway; but from what I hear here, it seems
> that was done much more for the purpose of titillation.

I came back from shopping at the GIANT EAGLE (grocery) last night and turned
on the TV a little early to catch the news at 11.  I didn't get to see all
of CIVIL WARS (what a strange name) but I guess I got to see the part in
question.  Mariel's character was in a bath robe and was about to pose. 
She was a bit nevous about posing and the photographer assured that this
wasn't about all the things that she had been told: "Sex, making love to
the camera", etc.  She dropped the robe, began the shoot and warmed up to
the idea.

That was about all there was to it.  It didn't seem to be "titillating" to
me, but, then again, she's clearly not my type, either! ;-)  I didn't see
anything offensive about it.  It reminded me of my own feelings the first
time I did anything in the nude in front of others.

Terry
From: tjw@vms.cis.pitt.edu (TJ Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: sex
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:35:03 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <BvII90.E30@news.udel.edu>, conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad) writes:

> In article <3856@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:

>>	Most (all?) nudists are of the opinion that clothing is sexier
>>than nudity, since clothing highlights and emphasizes sexual characteristics.

> Not all.  I question even "most."  (How many nudists get dressed to have
> sex because it's sexier?)  Stick with "many" or "some."   This is a
> topic on which people genuinely disagree.  There's room for the opinion
> that either a clothed or unclothed state can be sexy -- it's a question
> of situation and attitude.

I wonder how many blind nudists there are and what they think of clothing?

This is a serious question.  I wonder what percentage of blind people are
offended by nudity, if any?!?

Terry
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From: williamt@athena.Eng.Sun.COM (Dances with Drums)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Protest! (sort of)
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:04:19 GMT
Reply-To: williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums)
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: athena

In article <elogan.717859347@mistxt.oc.com> elogan@mistxt.oc.com (Ernie Logan) writes:
>Jane:
>any kind of offense. :) Seriously though, this type of thing generally
>does the nudist/naturist movement more harm than good, IMHO. The large
>majority of nudist/naturists with whom I have come into contact, would
>not wish to be nude anywhere and everywhere. This does tend to make us
>look too reactionary, and too crazy for society to ever accept our right
>to occasional nude recreation.
>
>are the same as anyone else, and this type of display hurts us in the
>eyes of the general public.
----
	But it helps if it pushes at laws that are outdated or 
discriminatory -- like the bare-breasted women in New York who won
the victory of top-free equality there.

	If nudity becomes allowed 'everywhere', then the arguement of
whether or not nudity is allowed at a given beach will be rather
passe'.

-wat-
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: lsheehan@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Dorm nudity
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:35:06 GMT

	I don't know if anyone's mentioned this, but at my school we have
"clothing optional" halls.. the hallmates get together at the beginning of each
semester and decide whether or not the floor is clothing optional.  I f it is,
then members of that hall are welcome to walk around in any state of
dress/undress that they choose.  My hall is clothing optional (8 females, 3
males), and we're as comfy with each other as if we'd lived together all our
lives (most of us just met this year).  So if you want to hang out if your room
naked, that's fine.. if you want to hang out on your hall that way, it's fine
too.  Neat deal, huh?  But then of course Hampshire is not known for its
conventionalism, is it?  =)

					lisa
					lsheehan@hamp.hampshire.edu
From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Swimsuit-optional hours at the Caltech pool
Date: 27 Sep 1992 22:31:41 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <19lh1tINNnas@gap.caltech.edu> brahm@cco.caltech.edu (David E. Brahm) writes:
>I will post the petition again in a couple weeks.  How does one go about
>starting a student lobbying group?

The petition is a good idea but you need to get more than just what they
net can get.  Set up a table on campus clubs day and hand out information
brochures on what you plan to do.

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From: jill@daedalus.stanford.edu (Jill "R U 4 real?" Donlin)
Subject: Skinny dipping in the Stanford area!
Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics
Distribution: rec
Date: 27 Sep 92 21:36:55


Contrary to popular belief, there *are* secluded spots to skinny-dip, right 
here in Palo Alto!  

Last spring, Lake Lagunita (named by Stanford's Department of Redundancy
Department) was a great place to skinny dip, just after the lifeguards left
in the evening.  But alas, they drained it last June.

Rather than swelter in my hotbox office (next to the air-conditioned machine 
room), this last month, I've been hiking out to (no joke!) Lake Lusty, a small
swimmin' hole behing Stanford's golf course.  It's a small dammed part of the
stream about 1/2 mile upstream of the golf course, in the canyon that
Alpine Road goes up.  What a feeling to lie back and sun one's body in the
mottled sunbeams, while, mere hundreds of feet away, the Grey People 
drive to and from work!  The water comes down from the coastal range, and
seems to run almost year round (it's still flowing now); it's pleasantly
cool on my skin, in the hot foothills clime.

Anyone else found special spots, that they care to tell about, in unlikely 
places?
--
Jill Donlin                              Physics is Phun
jill@daedalus.stanford.edu               
                                         Get your dirty laws off of my body!
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: ecsd@tfs.com (Eric C. S. Dynamic)
Subject: Re: Women enjoying nature in natural state.
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:45:29 GMT

williamt@athena.Eng.sun.com (Dances with Drums) writes:
>
>	I was told by a friend who visited over in Europe to some city...like
>Amsterdam, I believe, where he said it was common place to walk through
>some of the parks there and see somewhat open sexual activity.  Somehow,
>given that attitude toward sexuality, I can't see many men being the
>cause of any beach closings there either.  

Good for you. Europeans seem to have dispensed with at least *some* of
the sick-conditioning of normal human behavior.

>	I am not proposing open sexuality as the solution to your woes, Tom, but
>when was the last time a nude beach in Europe was closed due to men's
>ill behavior?  I wouldn't say it is just 'men' who are bad, but the
>archetypical "Bud man".  The all-American-dominate-everything-else man.

Seems whoever "writes the news" is able to portray that sexuality == Bud Man.
That's horsecrap. And worse, to "fit in", you must pretend to believe this.

>Perhaps we need some new cultural and religious norms -- it seems that
>"family values" promotes more intolerant behaviour and more abusing behaviour
>in those that can't suppress or control their natural urges.  It is similar
>to the increased violence in countries that suppress sexuality as wrong --
>not that I am saying it is cause and effect, but the correlation is there.

Suppress sexuality, and you get neurosis and violence.

Give it *some* outlet *somewhere* - or you will arrive at the current
American Sexually-Hysterical Society with a fixation on sex at the same time
it fears it.

Thanks for your comments, wat.
Let's get these issues cleared up once and for all.

-ecsd
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: Doogie Howser M.D.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 12:20:35 GMT

>
>|It is good to see shows like this make a positive statement about
>|nudity.  Hopefully, this will become a trend on TV and in the movies.
>

  
Interstingly enough there is an article about nudity in Forbes
magazine this week, surely one of the last (??) bastions of
conservatism.

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: cms@home.demon.co.uk (Cliff Stanford)
Subject: Name change for rec.nude? Is it time? 
Distribution: world
Organization: Demon Systems Limited.
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 00:12:56 +0000

In article <19voucINN7ic@smaug.West.Sun.COM> Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM writes:

>Look up naturism in a dictionary.  Did you find it?  I never have.

	ns. naturism,nudism:nature-worship;
	ns. nudism; nudist,one who goes naked or approves of going naked
[Chambers Twentieth Century Dictionary - 1972]

	Seems pretty unambiguous to me.
		Cliff.

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From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Breasts
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:34:52 GMT
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication

In regards to frontal male nudity in the cinema.

>These titles have to be the answer to some trivia question:

Name five movies /c frontal male nudity that only ten people ever
saw @ the theatre...<

If your old enough those movies were quite popular when released. More
recently how about the movie "The Doors" which had number of scenes.
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From: middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Name change for rec.nude?  Is it time?
Summary: NO
Date: 27 Sep 92 23:38:23 GMT
Organization: Institute for NonLinear Science, UCSD
NNTP-Posting-Host: poincare.ucsd.edu

In article <> lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib) writes:
>          there's nothing ambiguous about rec.naturism, that's what
>the board is about.

Too many people get "naturism" confused with "naturalism".
"Naturism" is not a widely used word outside of the naturist (nudist)
community and isn't even in the dictionary (nudism is).

I say, stick with rec.nude and whenever necessary educate people that
nude != sex.  After all, our love of nudity is what pulls us together.

-- 
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of our social ills, we could chose to blame the media, or the congress, or
an administration that's been in power for 12 years, or we could blame me."
						Murphy Brown
From: midkiff@public.BTR.COM (Neil E. Midkiff  midkiff@btr.com)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: No name change, please; also another proposal for anonymous posting
Date: 26 Sep 92 11:11:34 GMT
Organization: BTR Public Access UNIX, MtnView CA. Contact: Customer Service cs@BTR.COM

I'll cast my vote for keeping the rec.nude name for the group.

I agree with the suggestion that a short version of the charter should be
posted frequently (especially often near the beginning of the academic year!).

I'll add my efforts to those who e-mail gentle corrections to those who
cross-post inappropriately, as from alt.sex.  (I haven't been doing this
but it's a good way to help educate others as to what we're all about.)

From my perspective, "rec.nudist" isn't any improvement from the standpoint
of discouraging boorish input, and (for me) carries the connotation of 
concentrating on "nudist camps" rather than less-organized CO recreation.

"rec.co" is nearly meaningless to the general public; it probably implies
Colorado to most people.

"rec.naturist/-ism" relies on a neologism that hasn't made it into most
dictionaries yet, and will probably create more confusion than it solves.

What better short name for discussing recreational nudity than rec.nude?

-Neil

PS: Another thread brought up the idea of a mechanism for anonymous posting
to the group.  I thought this a bad idea that might encourage the electronic
equivalent of graffiti.  Still, it might be a good idea to have a cadre of
people who will volunteer to send along questions or comments by those who
(for whatever reason) prefer to remain anonymous.  I remember a "first-
timer's report" that Tom Middleton passed along for someone else, and
was glad to read it.

I'll be glad to offer the same service.  Of course, this inescapably means
that I reserve the right *not* to post articles that I feel are off-topic.
I don't see any way around this reservation, but it's not really censorship:
anyone can post anything under their own name, but I won't help you post
anonymously if I think it's unrelated to the group's purpose.

Two promises:  I won't ever post or give out your name or e-mail address, and
I won't harass you or attempt to contact you privately (except to e-mail
answers to questions you ask, or reasons I decide not to post your message).

To back up the second promise, I give permission for anyone to make public
any replies I send to users of this service.

Please use a phrase like "forward to rec.nude" in the Subject or first line
of your message, and send it to midkiff@btr.com.

-Neil Midkiff
Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: larry@bradley.bradley.edu (L. D. Stratton)
Subject: Re: Art Modeling
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 14:43:47 GMT

In <HERMIT.92Oct3020613@am.ucsc.edu> hermit@cats.UCSC.EDU (William R. Ward) writes:
>In article <1OCT199219283103@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov> silberman@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (NASA) writes:
>|Is there anyone in the Washington D.C. area who has ever modeled for 
>|an artist or an art class? I am just interested in what it is 
>|like.Please E-mail at the above address.
>Well, this is an interesting topic.  I think topics like this are
>valid for discussion in this newsgroup, and reasons why we shouldn't
>change the name to rec.naturism or any such.
>I'd like to hear about any experience people in this group might have
>in this area as well.  Please post to rec.nude, as well as mailing to
>silberman@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (the original poster).

   I paid for a considerable portion of my college expenses by modeling
   for the art department in a class situation and for grad students
   which were usually private studion situations.  Nude or not, it
   was easy and simple.  Frequently, I was able to read/study while
   the art students worked.

   So, what are your questions?

Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Steve Pierce)
Subject: Name change and Anonymous Postings
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 03:48:14 GMT

Since several of the suggestions in the Name Change thread mentioned education
with the FAQ and such and since I am the current poster of said FAQ, I would
like to make a couple of comments on this.

1)  I post the FAQ monthly with a 1 month expiration date.  Obviously some
sites expire it earlier but I can't control that.
2)  It is evident from some of the posts on this topic that the poster has not
read the FAQ.  What guarantees us that anyone else will?
3)  FYI, the FAQ is posted to news.answers and like other FAQs is archived.

That said it the rec.nude populace agrees I will be glad to post the FAQ or
some such "statement of purpose" posting on a more regular basis around this
time of year (though it seems the "weird" threads started in mid-summer).
Could the person who mentioned having a copy of the charter e-mail me a copy?

Anonymous postings are bad for 2 reasons IMHO,
1) It can be abused
2) Nudism/naturism is in dire need of people who are not afraid to let others
know what choices they have made in lifestyle/recreation.

I realize that some people CAN NOT go public but I think many are hiding behind
some false notions.  If we feel this is a valid lifestyle/recreation choice, then why must we hide?

I too volunteer to post for anyone who feels they can not go public but with
the reserved right to not post what I feel is not appropiate for the news group.

I would really like to see more people feel comfortable with using there names
in postings.  I can not take seriously long postings when there is no name (I
know you can post using any old name -- I still feel better seeing a name and
not a handle).

Yours naturally,
  Steve

PS The FAQ will be posted tomorrow night.
PSS Playalinda is closed until mid-late October. :-(.  Space Coast Naturists
will gather at Apollo on the 11th.
-- 
======================================================================
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Newsgroups: rec.nude
From: wix@eskimo.celestial.com (Dennis Wicks)
Subject: Re: Name change for rec.nude? Is it time? No!
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 18:19:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.082830.24730@access.digex.com> bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler) writes:
> ... but will a name change alone do any good?
 Probably not.  At least with this name, some of the people who "find"
 it might have something worthwhile and appropriate to contribute.
 
>The best approach is to continue to forge ahead with
>informative articles; those who seek out quality will find it.
>A rough analogy to those who seek out backcountry
>experiences running into more civilized folk. :)
 And also, resist the urge to follow up those annoying, worthless, and
 inappropriate posts!  (Yes, I know, it is _very_ difficult!)  If you
 must say something, send it by e-mail, explain what rec.nude is, and
 gently suggest a more appropriate group.  And most important, NO FLAMES!
 You really don't want to encourage them to do it again because they
 got a rise out of you!  (No pun intended!)  IMO a lot of those posts
 are intentional flame bait anyway.

>
>-- 
>
>bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)


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