HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49'ers will be champions again!!!
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:13:21 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Apr15.150736.2582@odin.corp.sgi.com>, dickh@cleveland.esd.sgi.com (Dick Harkness) writes...

>In article <12413@tamsun.tamu.edu>, fwt4290@summa.tamu.edu (TSAO, FREDDIE WEI) writes:
>|>
>|> Once again....49'ers ruke!!!!!!
>|> 
> 
>*ruke*?...according to Webster's, ruke is a latin term meaning "disappoint"...under this condition, I agree with you whole-heartedly.
> 

Not only that but he said "there's no doubt the 49ers can loose".

Freudian slips?  Maybe this guy is just covering up some deap seated 
insecurities.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
**************** Not responsible for lost or stolen articles. ****************
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: cindyz@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Cindy Zimmerman)
Subject: Draft List
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:11:58 GMT

Last year someone posted a list of the top ?100? or so players available for
the draft.  It summarized position, height, weight, etc.  Has that been posted
again this year?  If not does anyone out there have the information?

Thanks.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cindy Zimmerman                             Internet:  clz+@osu.edu
Academic Computing Services                 Bitnet:    clz+@ohstmail
OSU, Columbus, Ohio                         614/292-4843
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: erk@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (eric.r.kierstead)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Anyone have Complete list of Plan B Signings???
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:09:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsk.1992Apr6.130916.13805
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

If anyone has the complete list of Plan B acquisitions, it would
be much appreciated if you could post it (Never found it in the
old standby, USA Today).

Apologies if its already been posted...
From: ang@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (wayne.p.langan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Aero-Bars
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:34:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

My $0.02 Worth

	Last year I purchased a pair of Profile Aero II's and was
happy with them. The only thing I didn't like was the fact that the
bike was so unstable when shifting. (Since more of your body weight
is over the front hub, you will notice a difference in  the way the
bike handles.)  I decided to purchase a new shifter system,
and chose the Grip-Shifters. Only one small problem, they don't
fit on the Aero II bars. I sold my Aero II's back to the shop and 
purchased the Scoot DH bars with Grip shifters and I LOVE them!!

I highly recommend shifter's for your Aero-Bars. It's amazing how
much more you will use your gears when they are right there. Even
if price forces you to buy the bars and add the shifters later shop
for both and decide on which combo is best for you. I have even added
a Pipe Line water system to the bike and once I lean out over the bars
I'm there for the rest of the ride.


-- 
Wayne Langan                          - 
AT&T Bell Laboratories               / \
wpl@hos1cad.att.com          TIMES  / 3 \  RACING
                                   /_____\
From: mdk@hare.udev.cdc.com (Mike Kail x2441)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Shinsplints advice
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:50:52 GMT
Reply-To: mdk@hare.udev.cdc.com (Mike Kail x2441)
Organization: Control Data Corporation, Arden Hills, MN

This is probably a FAQ, but here goes...

Due to the *nice* midwest weather lately, I have been forced
to move my running program indoors and thus have started to
notice the beginning symptoms of shinsplints in my right leg.

I experience no pain during the day or even during a run, but
around 20 min. after I finish running and cool down, my anterior
tibialus muscle develops some tension in it.  I was just wondering
if I should stop running completely and let this run its course or
will a reduced mileage program help strengthen it???

Please e-mail any advice or *home remedies*...

THANKS in advance
-- 
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
| Mike D. Kail				mdk@hare.udev.cdc.com	|
| Control Data Corporation					|
| ARH215				(612) 482-2441		|
| 4201 North Lexington Avenue					|
| Arden Hills, MN  55126					|
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
| "When I race my mind is full of doubts; Who will come in 	|
|  second?  Who will come in third?" - Morceli			|
+---------------------------------------------------------------+
From: rmelvil@hughes.hacgate.UUCP (Richard Melville)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Olympic splits
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:09:20 GMT
	<1992Apr14.151604.4377@acs.ucalgary.ca>
Organization: Hughes Aircraft of Canada Limited, Calgary AB
In-reply-to: spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca's message of 14 Apr 92 15:16:04 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.151604.4377@acs.ucalgary.ca> spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Shane P Esau) writes:

>   a great race for us swimmers.  By the way, anyone who is
>   interested in coming to this part of the world (Calgary, Alberta,
>   Canada) who needs a place to stay, let me know a week or so in
>   advance, and I would be more than happy to put you up - I think
>   this is one way to decrease the costs of races.

>   Shane Esau
>   Univ of Calgary Tri Team

Nice post Shane !  This goes for me too, tri-netters send me mail if you
are coming.

And don't forget the Calgary Carma race, around July 23, standard Olympic
distance (PR course).  This race sets the standard in race organization,
a truly magnificent event.  I've done it twice, and it is, IMHO, hands down
the best race in the country.

--
----------------                        "I want to spend more money on bikes.
Richard Melville			 I think I need to see a psychiatrist."
Hughes Spatial Data Systems Division     Dave Bridges
From: jeff@dspprd.sps.mot.com (Jeff Enderwick)
Subject: Re: Trying to post this again...Re:  Help w/Side cramps
Organization: /home/dsp/users/jeff/.organization
Date: 13 Apr 92 16:55:35

I started taking a running class. We run a *real* slow mile and do sit ups
before we get down to business. I've only cramped once. I used to have real
trouble with side cramps. I think that the sit ups and the slow first mile
help a lot.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 12:00:22 EDT
From: <GU7@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Swimming and Asthma

Does anyone else have excercised induced asthma?  I do, and that
helps explain poor past performances, well maybe if I trained
harder.  Anyhow, I can control the asthma with Proventil and
Intal inhalers.  So far so good.  Now, I keep reading all this
stuff about EIA and believing most of it dealing with warm ups, etc
but the one thing that I don't believe is when everyone says you
CAN'T get EIA when swimming, what crap.  I do, so does my sister, but
much less.  Am I some kind of freak, medically speaking of course.
Is there some goofy EIA swimming gene in our family, or are the
books full of crap?  I'd appreciate any response so I can pusue this
with some higher authority.  Anyone know of any research in this area?
Has anyone read Nancy Hogshead's book (I think its NH, but I could be
wrong), she apparently has asthma and is making the circuit selling
her book.

Oh well, back to work.
Thanks,
Ed Gannon

  Edward J. Gannon (GU7@PSUVM.BITNET)        My two favorite football
  Dept of Civil Engineering                  teams are Penn State and
  The Pennsylvania State University          whoever is playing Pitt.
From: tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Another pedal question
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:28:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsk.1992Apr9.182812.17856
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr9.095536.1@zodiac.rutgers.edu> arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu writes:
>This is my thrid and final attempt at posting this question on our stubborn
>system here.  
>
>Has anyone seen those new pedals?
>
>Yeah, I know - vague question.
>
>They were advertised in the latest issue of Triathlon Today, in the Special
>Merchandising Section I think.  They are round and symmetric top and bottom. 
>This allows the cleat to lock in from either the pedal top or bottom with equal
>effectiveness.  While I like the solid train car connection of my LOOK pedals,
>their hefty weight has me concerned, especially when I am trying to reduce
>weight on my bike.  
>
>Anyway, any and all comments welcomed.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Rolf
>arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu

I know someone who uses the pedals you're describing and he loves them.
You can lock in on either side of the pedal and it provides some rotation.
I don't know about the durability, he only just started using them.

Todd Jensen                                  o
AT&T Bell Labs             ___^o_    __o    <|\
(708) 979-1254                     _ \<_     \
tjensen@ihlpe.att.com             (_)/(_)    /
From: apwhite@unix1.tcd.ie (Andrew White)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Nike Hurachee
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:14:07 GMT
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin

Hi there fellow tri people , i have just switched over from pure cycling and i 
am starting to run . Can anyone out there tell me their experiences/knowledge
of Nike Hurachee running shoes .. They look weird and i am wondering what the
absence of a solid heel means?
	
	Thanks in advance
		Andrew White. 
--
------------"Strive never to forget the difference between arson and incest------------------or you may end up like the guy who set fire to his sister"---------                                     --- Andrew White
Trinity College,Dublin 2,Leinster,Ireland,British Isles,E.C,Europe,Earth........                                                    
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: praetzel@tesla.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Weight Reduction (was Another Pedal Question)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:41:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.034038.12172@leland.Stanford.EDU> schabert@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Vernon Schabert) writes:
>Here here!  Weight (actually mass) on rotating parts increases that
>part's moment of inertia, which in turn increases the force required to
>rotate the object.  However, the effect is much more pronounced on parts
  Completely false.  Yes the moment of inerita increases but it does not
take any force to rotate the object. It takes energy to increase the velocity
but that energy is stored and is not dissipated.  You will get all of it back
when you reduce the amount of pedaling.

>  [ more mumbo jumbo that can not be substantiated by any means ]

Heck.  Even for racing crits the extra mass of a few hundred grams is not
significant.  Now if you were doing a hill climb a few kg would start to
matter but not hundreds of grams.  However, if you like to race crits and
constantly accelerate and then brake you will be more better off with
lighter wheels but the difference will not be measurable or precievable
compared to what can be accomplished by drafting, tactics and aerodynamics.
If you are doing a flat TT then the mass is of no consequence.  However, once
you add hills there are a lot of other things to consider.  The engine is the
main unknown because I have not seen anything describing the effects of putting
out tons of energy going uphill and coasting down the other side (in a tuck)
as compared to doing the same distance on a flat course.  What analysis I have
done only proves that it is better to glide down a hill (anything around a 5%
grade) than it is to pedal and that a 100m climb (5% grade over 2 km) will
add about 1 min to the total trip.  But medical texts often cite the need for
continous pedaling to help the blood return to the heart and purge toxins and
provide oxygen.  But when I do a crit or road race I usually don't have much
say in how we attack the hills and when I am doing ITT's to TTT's I usually
limit my pulse so that it does not exceed my AT by very much.  I guess I should
scrap that few 100 g in the HRM since it must cost me min. over a 50 mi course.
  - Eric
//  ignorance truly is bliss
//  Each man is his own prisoner, in solitary confinement for life.  (Heinlein)
 on a flat course the mass is of no consequence (as long as you
don't have to sprint to hang onto a pack)
From: spesau@acs.ucalgary.ca (Shane P Esau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Olympic splits
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:16:04 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta

I would have agreed with you a year ago - I too am a swimmer.  It
was quite disheartening to be out in the first 2 or 3 people and
then have the cyclists zoom by you with that awesom hum of a disc
around 20 - 30 km.  then to make matters worse, the runners would
come at you around 8 k when you are pooped, and can't find the
energy to stave them off.  But, now that I have a semi-full
season under my belt, and more training in the other disciplines,
I would disagree with you to a point.  Yes the swim is only 18
minutes long, but the distances have been set for years now.
Unless we listen to Tinley (Tinley talks - Triathlete magazine)
where he says we should not have set distances - a good race
which I like is the Windermere loop Triathlon (2.2, 48, 13) held
the last week of July in Eastern British Columbia, Canada.  It is
a great race for us swimmers.  By the way, anyone who is
interested in coming to this part of the world (Calgary, Alberta,
Canada) who needs a place to stay, let me know a week or so in
advance, and I would be more than happy to put you up - I think
this is one way to decrease the costs of races.

Shane Esau
Univ of Calgary Tri Team
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
From: rw@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Rich Washington)
Subject: Re: AAAAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!#$@^&...CRASH!
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:11:11 GMT


I think the quote was about bike racers, not triathletes.
Crashes in triathlons should be rare as long as there's no
drafting, the course is clear of debris, and people handle
their bikes okay.  Most of the bike crashes in mass-start
bike races come from people running into each other.  So,
I wouldn't think your expected safety gain from wearing
bike clothes is significant.  Besides, if you go down, a
jersey and bike shorts won't keep you from getting scraped
up, although they might reduce the injury a small amount.

				Rich Washington
				rw@cs.stanford.edu
From: arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Bicycle Weight Reduction (was Another Pedal Question)
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:58:15 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University Computing Services

More on that pedal question...

I believe weight reduction to help in two areas - acceleration and hill
climbing.  It will not help in reducing air drag nor make me *stronger*.  It
will reduce road friction slightly though, although this would be minimal.  

However, I still feel that weight reduction on ***ROTATING*** parts can have
significant effect on performance and endurance in long events.  

Last year, I did an 8 mile time trial at an all out burst-my-heart effort.  I
did the course in about 23 minutes.  I repeated the course two more times over
the next month, with additional training and eeked the time down to 22:30.  I
purchased light weight wheels (550-600 grams TOTAL mass each vs 800-900 each 
on the original setup).  Both sets of wheels were aero section, so air drag
should be approximately the same.  I put the light wheels on and did the same
course in about 20:30.  And I later repeated it close to 20 minutes.

Similarly, since a pedal is rotating on the crank arm and about its own axis, 
and since one has to constantly move that weight to drive the bicycle, my 
reasoning is that weight reductions in these rotating parts would be helpful. 

Air drag is the enemy of the cyclist, weight a distant second.  I have
addressed the first issue by optimizing my position on the bike.  I have
developed a good cycling training program.  Now I am addressing the third issue
- weight.  

So, has anybody had experience with those new pedals (in Another Pedal Question
posting)....

Thanks,

Rolf
arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu
From: ang@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (wayne.p.langan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: FAQ   NOT!
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:06:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T


Since it has been so dead the last few days I thought I would create a list
of joke FAQ items anyone care to add to it??


1.) Which shaving cream/razor combo is best for pre race shave?

2.) Who holds the record for eating the most PowerBars in 1 sitting?

3.) Best dog repellent for bike rides.

4.) Kickstands. Do they save time in the transition?

5.) Best way to remove the black magic marker numbers.

6.) Which size water pail works best in the transition area.

7.) How to hog the most room in the transition area.


When is it going to get warmer??? BTW thanks to all who responded to 
nutrition, bike rack, and dick wheel questions.
-- 
Wayne Langan                          - 
AT&T Bell Laboratories               / \
wpl@hos1cad.att.com          TIMES  / 3 \  RACING
                                   /_____\
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Carbs in foods????
From: estelter@desire.wright.edu
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:10:05 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

>>
>>  What foods have the most carbohydrates in them???
>>
>>
From: arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Another pedal question
Date: 9 Apr 92 13:55:36 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University Computing Services

This is my thrid and final attempt at posting this question on our stubborn
system here.  

Has anyone seen those new pedals?

Yeah, I know - vague question.

They were advertised in the latest issue of Triathlon Today, in the Special
Merchandising Section I think.  They are round and symmetric top and bottom. 
This allows the cleat to lock in from either the pedal top or bottom with equal
effectiveness.  While I like the solid train car connection of my LOOK pedals,
their hefty weight has me concerned, especially when I am trying to reduce
weight on my bike.  

Anyway, any and all comments welcomed.

Thanks.

Rolf
arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu
From: murphyc@bionette.cgrb.orst.edu (Chris Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Breathing Restrictors
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:11:48 GMT
Organization: Biological Computing Consortium, OSU, Corvallis, OR.

A friend asked me about training devices which restrict one's breathing in
order to simulate high altitude training.  I saw only a picture of such a
device, and it consisted of a mouthpiece connected by a long tube to a small
plastic bag strapped to the user's belly.  I do not know how one of these 
devices could help simulate the low partial pressure of oxygen at higher
altitudes, but does anyone else have any ideas how these things are supposed
to work or if they are effective?  Your thoughts or opinions are appreciated.

Chris Murphy  murphyc@cgrb.orst.edu
Oregon State University
From: tjensen@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (todd.r.jensen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: Bicycle Weight Reduction (was Another Pedal Question)
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:20:56 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr16.121344.559@watserv1.waterloo.edu> praetzel@tesla.waterloo.edu (Eric Praetzel) writes:
>Time to take another stab at this
>
>In article <1992Apr15.155815.1@zodiac.rutgers.edu> arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu writes:
>>However, I still feel that weight reduction on ***ROTATING*** parts can have
>>significant effect on performance and endurance in long events.  
>  This is a myth that has been hanging on for years and it deserves to be
>trounced once and for all.  Heck they even tried extra heavy wheels to
>smooth out accelerations and improve times for the olympics.
>
>>Last year, I did an 8 mile time trial at an all out burst-my-heart effort.  I
>>did the course in about 23 minutes.  I repeated the course two more times over
>>the next month, with additional training and eeked the time down to 22:30.  I
>
>Supposidly cutting 200g of rotating weight caused this. From bikepower:
>  8mi (12.8km) in 23:00 = 33.4 km/h --> 190 W
>  8mi (12.8km) in 22:30 = 34.1 km/h --> 200 W
>
>  [...deleted bikepower analysis...]
>

My $0.02 worth...

About the only real time/energy savings I've realized out of light wheels,
titanium bottom brackets, and other wonder gizmos
are those in my arms from carrying my bike from my roof rack to the start
of the race and from my wallet from paying for and repairing them.

I have always found fitness to be the most important factor in saving time.
My PR for a 10-mile TT was set on my oldest pair of training wheels -
heavy duty 36-spoke clincers.  I may have shaved a few more seconds using
a disk or lighter wheels, but I think the 30 seconds I shaved off my
previous PS was more due to my conditioning.  Maybe the time savings in the
8-mile TT were mainly due to the fact it was later in the season and you
had more miles/quality training.

I personally use a steel frame (probably weighs about 6 pounds), a HED
disk, and an 18-spoke front wheel.  I use heavy duty tubulars to avoid
flats, carry full water bottles.  After years of cycling, I found I
would rather have reliable and slightly heavy components then light,
expensive, and who-knows-when-it-will-crack stuff.  Your bike split
won't look very fast if you end up carrying your bike in because
of a mechanical.  Sure, it might be easier to carry because it's lighter,
but I'll already have blasted through the bike and started the run :^)


Todd Jensen                                  o
AT&T Bell Labs             ___^o_    __o    <|\
(708) 979-1254                     _ \<_     \
tjensen@ihlpe.att.com             (_)/(_)    /
From: arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: Re: FAQ NOT
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:40:32 GMT
Organization: Rutgers University Computing Services

OK.  Ok.  Who stole my transition whirlpool idea anayway?

Thanks for lightening up the list a little all of you "FAQ NOT" posters.

As for "dick wheels"...  I dunno.  Must be different.

Heal foot - HEAL!!!

Itsa soa nice outaside now!!!


AAAHHHHH!!!!                    


Rolf
arands@zodiac.rutgers.edu
Xref: sparky rec.sport.triathlon:470 misc.forsale:13318
From: gilson@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (Mike Gilson ............... x 3135)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon,cle.forsale,misc.forsale
Subject: Aerospokes for sale
Date: 6 Apr 92 15:10:03 EST

For sale: 

	One pair of red Aerospoke 700C racing wheels.  I supply:
	the front wheel and rear wheel with DuraAce 7-speed freewheel
	and 13-21 gear cluster.  You supply sew-ups and skewers and
	$550.

	These wheels are one year old and were used for racing only.
	They have never been crashed.  They are legal for both Tri-Fed 
	and USCF events.

	Voice - 216-291-0870
	email - gilson@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com or gilsonm@odin.icd.ab.com
From: luebke5317@iscsvax.uni.edu (Phil Luebke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon
Subject: New Shimano PD-A525 Sport Pedal
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:23:26 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

OK you early adopters (that's marketing term for people who buy new products
first, in case you don't know):

I saw that funky new clipless pedal from Shimano (PD-A525 Sport Pedal) in the
Performance catalog and was thinking about buying it.  For just under $100, it
seemed like a pretty good deal to me (who has never owned a clipless pedal
system).  I was just wondering if anybody out there had heard anything about
these pedals or if anyone owns some.  Any comments would be appreciated.
                                        Thanks,
                                                Phil
-- 
                                "There's a girl in a dress in a sinful mess
        Phil Luebke              With a face that's made for kissin'
 luebke5317@iscsvax.uni.edu      What kind of god gives you a rod
                                 And says you can't go fishin'?"
                                                     -- Something Happens
Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon