HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: nbadie@rd.hydro.on.ca (Navid Badie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: IRAN, home of the first wine and beer brewery!
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:07:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: rd.1992Nov6.160720.24483
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"

smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
: 
: They must have had some bibulous days and nights more than 5,000
: days and nights ago at the Sumerican trading post of Godin Tepe,
: in the ZAgros Mountains of what is now wetern Iran.  Archaeologists 
: can tell by sampling the dregs.
: 
: In the same room of the ruins where archaeologists last year
: reported finding the earliest chemical evidence for wine, they
: have now identified the earliest checmical evidence for beer.

I think it was quite a bit more than 5,000 days ago!

I heard another interesting comment about this from someone who
was being interviewed on CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) Radio.
The guy said: "This could indicate that early humans used barley to
make beer before they used it to make bread!". Now isn't that a thought!

Cheers,
Navid Badie
================================================================
nbadie@rd.hydro.on.ca
voice (416) 231-4111 x6675 --- fax (416) 231-3748
To state the obvious:
Any opinions expressed in the above are mine, not my employer's.

P.S. Due to technical difficulties, our site had been off USENET for 
the past few months. It's good to be back on sci.
From: massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: me? NOT (was Re: still looking for answers)
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:11:05 GMT
Organization: San Diego State University

In article <1992Nov5.034645.6626@athena.mit.edu> lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King) writes:
>From: lking@athena.mit.edu (Loren King)
>Subject: Re: still looking for answers
>Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 03:46:45 GMT
>In article <massoud.11.720903231@chemteca.sdsu.edu>, massoud@chemteca.sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami) writes:
:
:
>
>What rubbish!  You just stated in an earlier post that "there are lots
>of things that men don't understand about women," but now you're an 
>authority on general patterns of sexual arousal?  What makes you think
>that there are any general truths about what counts as erotic to whom?
>At least any that are of any interest?
>
:
:
Miss King;

Although I wellcome your responce, but I believe you are identifying me with 
someone else for the above quotation.

It would be lenghtly to include Biology of sex 101 for a mere example, and 
it would be easier for intrested one to pick up a text and look it up.

Just look around, the number of "entertainment magazine for men vs. women; 
Read the other responses about those "akhoonds" around the belly dancer; 
And if you don't take it as an insult (which none intended to no one), this 
is a woman to woman talk "He realy wanted to, and I could feel it, but I 
said no", can you find a man saying that? [so far in my life, four of my 
lady friends that I "Dear Abby"ed them told me the above].

It seems it take more than a sense of sight for women to be aroused to the 
extend of going all the way. These are general terms, and of course there 
are sex adicted men and women, and at the present time here, there are 
women in the arm forces fighting legislation for permission to serve in the 
front line. And finally, if you notice, I said "one faculty ..." not the 
faculty.

Just go ahead and blame the "Y" chromosome!

Peace and Prosperity!
  ---==< 110 >==---
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787)
Subject: Re: Too many ShaytAns on SCI
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:13:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.233714.21150@wam.umd.edu>, ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Lu Cifer) writes...
>In article <1992Nov12.140418.3987@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>>
>>
>>Boro be ShaytAniyeh! All of you little devils! :-)
>>
>>****************
>>Not Satan
>>Not ShaytAn
>>Not Ahriman
>>---->Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
>>****************
> 
>Excuse me but I have the copyright on that name.  Whoever this impostor is
>he/she/it has stolen my good name and is using it to commit such crimes as
>supporting Seyyed.  What kind of an idiot calls him/her/it self Satan then
>supports a religious fanatic like Seyyed.  
> 
>To the Milli Vanilli of Evil,
> 
>Enghadr ski nakon (for those of you not familiar with that figure of speech
>it means to copy someone else). Mizori zamin, ham dasto pat mishkaneh and 
>choob ski haro gheyb mikoni. 
> 
> 
>-- 
>ahriman
>(aka Lucifer)

 Khafesho koskesh! I don't know how long  you've been using that name, but
I been using Satan for a while.

P.S.
 You can't copyright stupid computer nicknames when they're not even the same
word.

P.S.S.
If you're so mad why don't you change your name to something that reflects
your self, like NAMARD or DEVUNEH!

SUPPORT SEYYED!

Satan.
From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Women in Iran
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:03:05 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <1992Nov9.095756.203232@uctvax.uct.ac.za> snggab01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:

> Dear Loren,I am a non-Muslim European who has come to admire the Islamic
> republic of Iran for 
> 1)The fact that a woman can walk the streets there without a fear of being
>   raped

You are wrong.  See previous posting for details.

> 2) The fact that minorities ARE REPRESENTED in the Iranian parliament

You are wrong again.  Minorities (not all, but some of them) may only
vote for someone of their own religion.  And nobody else can vote for
that person as representative either.  And oh, yes, that
representative does sit in the parliament, but doesn't have equal
rights with others.  Eg, they cannot (leave parliament and) become
ministers.  We have a name for it: APARTHEID!

> 3) Alcohol is banned there.No alcohol,no alcoholism.It's that simple!

So was chess.  So was (and is) many forms of music.  So is women
taking part in many activities, professions, sports etc.  And so are
many other things that you are enjoying as a matter of fact (such as
freedom of expression).  It's that simple!

> 4) The general atmosphere there is absent of the pervasive Western materialism
>    of societies such as America.

Wrong again.  Materialism is widespread.  Bribery, corruption etc are
endemic in the government and all its agencies.

> 5) The poor are cared for by the charitable institution of Zakaat.

Again, you are looking from such a distant, that you can't see much.
That was true for a short while after the revolution.  But now, the
rich are getting richer and the poor poorer.  You must have heard of
recent riots in many cities erupting from poor urban areas.  (Riots
which led to scores of executions by the regime.)  And, no thank you,
they don't want no charity, they have a RIGHT to be housed, fed and
cared for.

> 6) Criminals such as drug dealers are promptly dealt with there.No Pablo
>    Escobar situations.

True, they have slaughtered petty drug dealers and addicts in their
hundreds.  But the problem persisits, mainly because the system is
corrupt and money can buy you almost anything.

> Long live the Islamic Republic ! Death to Yankee Imperialism !

"It's that simple!"  Isn't it?

> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------
> University of Cape Town, South Africa 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

-hossein
From: nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: what is a baghal?
Date: 6 Nov 92 22:38:32 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Nov5.185649.24197@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> farhad@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri) writes:

>Well Imam said we are all sheep and he is the shepherd
>so We sheep like our closest relative that is big, mucho
>and SMART,    the COW!

OK. Does this mean that he was fleecing the flock? I thought only
Christian clergy did that one.

Shearing the sheep,
Shearing the sheep,
He will be rejoicing,
Shearing the sheep.


-- 
The Earth Pig Bourne....

nadja@node.com (prefered email address)
nadja@weitek.com
From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Aryan symbols
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:33:53 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Nov13.034357.15783@news.acns.nwu.edu>, mhz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mariam Hakim-Zargar) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.174503.16875@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> of soc.culture.iranian,
>   mks9e@amsun30.apma.Virginia.EDU (Mustafa Kemal Husein Saiyid) writes:
>> Could someone kindly tell me if old Aryan symbols still exist in 
>> Iran today. In Germany under Hitler, they revived the old Germanic
>> symbols the swastika and the old style SS for the Schutz Stafel.
>> In India, the reverse swastika is still quite common.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Mustafa Saiyid
>> 
> 
> 
> From what I know, there was never any Arian language evidence found in Persia.
>  The oldest known alphabet for which we have any evidence, is that which was
> used before the Arab invasion, namely known as Pahlavi dari, or just pahlavi. 
> During the reign of Mohammad Reza Shah, there was some attempt to bring this
> language (which is primarily today's Farsi minus all the arabic words) and
> alphabet back, but I think was unsucessful becuase the old writing system was
> not particularly effective... I cant remember why though... I'm sure someone
> else can shed some more light, (perhaps?)
> 
> 					MHz
> 
according to what i have read pahlavi was written in ancient aramaic alphabet.
this kind of alphabet is related to both hebrew and arabic alphabet. it 
is not efficient to use it because the sounds that the symbols represent are
not used in many of the arabic based languages. 

--== not the fingernail man ==--
zafar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Report U.S. Citizen Arrested In Iran; Illegal Deals Alleged
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 06:02:43 GMT

11/04 (DJ) Report U.S. Citizen Arrested In Iran; Illegal Deals Alleged

    NICOSIA -AP- A U.S. citizen living in Iran was arrested and detained
for alleged illegal business dealings, the Islamic Republic News Agency
reported.
    The agency, monitored in Nicosia, said Milton Mayar, 58, was
providing vital business information from Iran to several international
companies.
    His arrest was announced in a statement by the Ministry of
Information, IRNA said.
    The agency did not say when he was arrested, but the announcement
came on the 13th anniversary of the takeover of the U.S. embassy in
Tehran by Iranian militants.
    The report said Mayar was accused of ''illegal establishment of
several trade firms, collecting important economic information, and
identifying leading elements at commercial institutions and
environments.''
    Mayar also had ''links with agents serving foreign intelligent
services,'' IRNA said.
    It added that Mayar was the brother-in-law of General Nematollah
Nasiri, head of the late shah of Iran's secret police, who was executed
after the 1979 Islamic revolution.
    He had stayed in Iran after the revolution on the ''pretext'' of
having an Iranian wife, IRNA said.
     9:21 AM
                                 -END-
------------------------------------------------------------------------

--
From: cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: KURDS KILL SEVEN IN MISSLE ATTACK ON TURKISH TOWN
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:13:00 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Nov12.215654.25089@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>, javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes...
>In article <12NOV199213254704@rosie.uh.edu> cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov12.183057.5400@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com>, javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes...
>>>In article <12NOV199206532838@rosie.uh.edu> cosc186y@rosie.uh.edu (92F06787) writes:
> 
>>>>peacefully or asking other countries to help us. What we need
>>>>to do is to kill all those goddam Arabs and Turks that act nice
> 
>>> 
>>>Notice how conveniently he left out Iranians.  Whose payroll is this guy
>>>on?
>>> 
>>>>
>>>>Satan.
>>>>
>>>Isn't there a conflict of interest with Ahoora Joon here? hmmm..
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Agha Javad
>>> 
>>
>> What the fuck are you trying to be sarcastic of?
> 
>Fear Allah, satan!!  Learn how to talk like AdamizAd, and I'll answer you. 
> 
>>
>>Satan.
>>
> 
>Agha Javad

 Your the one who better fear Allah, because if you say anything bad about
Kurds I'll make sure you'll be going to Hell alot sooner than expected!

P.S.
 Satan is just a stupid computer nickname! Like calling you Agha Javad, instead
of Khanem Javad.

Satan.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ahriman@wam.umd.edu (Lu Cifer)
Subject: Re: Too many ShaytAns on SCI 
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:37:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.140418.3987@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem) writes:
>
>
>Boro be ShaytAniyeh! All of you little devils! :-)
>
>****************
>Not Satan
>Not ShaytAn
>Not Ahriman
>---->Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
>****************

Excuse me but I have the copyright on that name.  Whoever this impostor is
he/she/it has stolen my good name and is using it to commit such crimes as
supporting Seyyed.  What kind of an idiot calls him/her/it self Satan then
supports a religious fanatic like Seyyed.  

To the Milli Vanilli of Evil,

Enghadr ski nakon (for those of you not familiar with that figure of speech
it means to copy someone else). Mizori zamin, ham dasto pat mishkaneh and 
choob ski haro gheyb mikoni. 


-- 
ahriman
(aka Lucifer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: Mohaghegh
Subject: Please be a judge (RE: Are Baha'is...)
Summary: None
Keywords: None
Organization: None
Date:  9 Nov 92 17:29:57 GMT

Mr. Hakim writes:
> If either Mohaghegh or Seyyed ever decide to abandon their revolutionary
> spirited, and commando type verbal attacks and instead DISCUSS issues, I
> will be very happy to participate in exchanging views in an APPROPRIATE
> forum such as soc.religion.islam.
I am sorry to see that you are caught in a corner and trying to confuse
the readers at SCI. Out of all the things that Seyyed had written I
picked a part that I found to be 100% correct. I knew you are going to
appeal to this tactic. So, I repeat the article again and challenge you
to show one evidence that I have used the above tactics . Remember that you
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
are writing for all the SCI readers and they are going to judge it.
TO THE SCI: Thanks for your time, the article follows:

<Mr. Hakim writes:
> Karim Khan was after the leadership of the Shaykhi community and totally
> contradicted the directives of Shaykh Ahmad Ahsa'i and Seyyed Kazim-i
> Rashti who prepared their followers for the event of the manifestation
> of the Qa'im which was to take place in the year 1260 A.H., few months
> after the passing of Seyyed Kazim.
Obviously, Mr. Hakim does his research ONLY IN BAHA'I SOURCES. In this case
most probably he relies on his weekend school notes.  The sad part is that
he really believes in what he was told when he was a child.
Mr. Seyyed writes:
>>Bab was defeated in argument not only because of his contradictory
>>claims, but also because he couldn't even speak correct arabic and made lots
>>of mistakes.
Mr. Hakim replies:
> Seyyed, I respectfully recommend you study this issue prior to making
> such claims.
Mr. Hakim, I respectfully recommend you study KetAbe "BayAne Arabi" and
"BayAne Farsi" to see for yourself that Mr.  Seyyed is right and Seyyede Bab
didn't know Arabic well enough to write in Arabic. But, he insisted to
write in Arabic, even in "BayAne Farsi". Of course Mr. Hakim has an
explanation for this, as he has one for everything else. Now, to help Mr.
Hakim find out for himself that Seyyede Bab didn't know Arabic well, I
would like to invite him to open "Ketabe BayAne Arabi" and study it until
he comes to the word "CHAPAN". Yes, CHAPAN which perhaps possibly meant
"printed". Do I need to elaborate any more?

Appearance of "contradictory statements" in Baha'i or Babi writings are
quite common. Mr. Hakim can look at his own articles which have appeared
on this net to see one for himself. To help him, I would like to invite him
to examine his article "part 11 of 12".
Mohaghegh>. End of the article.
Mohaghegh
From: aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Iran is not your kingdom Mr. King!
Date: 11 Nov 92 06:24:45 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

In article <BxJ3zD.E18@oceania.com> kambiz@oceania.com writes:
>
>Loren,
>  I very much agree with everything that you have said here and I
>feel ashamed for all of humanity when I see people like Seyyed who
>are so fanatical and judgemental of others for expressing their
>ideas.

I guess there always has to be one out of the apologist out of the
group who takes it upon his/her initiative to excuse the viewpoints
of religious people while using the opportunity to slander that person
by calling him/her a 'fanatic', 'fundamentalist', and 'zealot'. 

I have not read Sayed's postings entirely, but he is entitled to present
his views on the subject because he was defending the initial attacker
(Loren - who's insulting opinions I *have* read) and does that make you
the voice of authority to suggest that religious philosophy and ideas
(in defense of their beliefs) should not be discussed here and that all
views should not be presented?  For your information, this forum was
established for everyone and religion *is*, infact, a intrigal part of
a culture - whether it be Iranian, Arabic, or whatever.

You say that religious philosophy according to some is offensive and
shouldn't be discussed, yet you list:

>  2) Peoples thoughts on US politics and how they feel the recent
>     election effects Iran.

That discussion will not generate a variety of opinions?  I agree with
you that diplomacy and discression should be applied in these topics,
but you certainly are not abiding by this when you condone slanderous
remarks against Islam while condemning those who have every right to
guard against such attacks.

Anisa

	"There needs to be a line drawn for the sake of decency for
	for other beliefs and cultures.  We can discuss this and
	other related issues in a manner where respect and overall
	courtesy are upheld.  This is only fair."

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad)
Subject: Re: Ali joojeh is suffering another seizure
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:13:58 GMT
Organization: LabaniyyAtee-e-Sar-e-Koocheh

In article <11NOV199201594921@utrcv1> ali@utrcv1 (ALI BABA> writes:
>>Dear Joojeh
>>

[Ali joojeh's  fruitless quest for faith and manhood deleted]

>will open your leash and I want you to do an excellent job for your master,
>don't discriminate just bark at anyone who mentions Gods' name, after all he
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>is your real enemy and he is the one who made the rules not IRI , Bush or
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>anyone else.

My and everybody's real enemy is fascism.  And God's biggest enemy are people
like you who screw up his name and image.  The God they told me about didn't
need postings like yours to defend himself.

I never attacked God, and I only expressed my opinion about IRI, which you
obviously have difficulties answering.  If this is too much for you to handle,
either press the 'n' button, or go back to Iran where people like me and other
people on this net are not allowed to speak so you can live in peace and guts
and glory. 

Now stop wasting time of sci readers with your slander.  If this is the only
way you can answer me, and if you really need to get it out of your system,
first take a midol, and then send me email, and I'll send you an appropriate
response. 

>
>
>                    ********************************
>                    * ALI BABA, not an old legend, * 
>                    *    not a new legend	    *    
		     *    just a wanna be           *
>                    ********************************
>
>
Agha Javad
(not a legend, just a baghghal)
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: what is a baghal?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 23:10:17 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Nov5.183101.24506@EE.Stanford.EDU> mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
>minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) asks:
>
>
> => what does baghal mean?
>
>I believe it means "lima bean" or one of its products.
>
> => and what is so special about cows,
>
>The fact that they have a cupboard full of vaseline.
                         ~~*************~~~~~~~~~~~~

:).

... i guess thats how much is needed to put up with the relentness 
bombardment of sexual stimuli.

shahrokh inventor-of-see-through-hejab* mortazavi

* patent pending

>
> => zafar
>
>    --mack
>


QUIT
> => zafar
>
>    --mack
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: 8809787l@levels.unisa.edu.au
Subject: ******FARSI SPELL CHECKER******************************
Originator: sehari@class1.iastate.edu
Organization: University of South Australia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:16:27 GMT

----

Doostan Salam Arz Mekonam

Once again I would like to remind you that presently a group of us are
undertaking a project ( initiated by Mr Babak Sehari ) to develope a FARSI
SPELL CHECKER initialy to be used in conjunction with the INTEXT public domain
FARSI Wordprocessor ( INTEXT can be optaine via ftp from the ftp site 
tehran.stanford.edu in the pub directory ). Later on this could be varied to 
suite other WP as well.

We are currently in need of people to type in FARSI words and their ENGLISH
meanings into files to be eventually read by the program. Although we have had
a great response to our project ( ie. almost one person has joined for every
working day of the week ) we still require as many people as possible to help
finish the massive work undertaken. The program that would be eventually
released would be public domain and completely free for any one to use.

So if you have an IBM compatable PC which you have access to and are willing to
join us in our effort to develope this software package then please do not
hesitate to e-mail me ( you will find my email address at the end of this
posting ).

Also consider that this is the best chance you may have to contribute to the
culture of Iran and also to show your solidarity. We as members of this project
feel that we can put all of our differences aside and work together to achive
great goals as a united boady.

I hope that you will consider our proposal and I hope to hear from all of you
in the near future.

Ghorbaneh Shoma

Payam

--
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: <none>Joojeh
Date: 10 Nov 1992 17:54:28 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Nov9.224821.28120@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad) writes:

[ picteresque slinging of water+dirt mixture deleted ]

>
>peace and non-violence, things you not surprisingly have difficulty 
>understanding, given the steroid level in your blood and the Folger's crystals
>[(c) 1992 Shahrokh] content of your head.  
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

i dont have a copyright on that!

javaad, relax, no one takes these guys seriously anyway.  their pooch
arguments, repeated over and over and over again, have become more 
predictable than the Circuit City once-in-a-lifetime weekend sales.

you know, having read the recent thread on the origin homosapiens, aryans,
iranians, germans, etc, and considering the mentality of these fundamentalists,
and their recurring sexual slurrs, extreme homophobia, 'twelve inch
gooshtis' [c, ali baba], i have finally managed to pinpoint the exact period
of time from which they were transplanted:

Homo Erectus  [50,000 BC if i remember correctly].

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