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From: mmwx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: REQUEST from GIRLS:  List of 20 WORST/UNORIGINAL ways to ask a girl
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:28:22 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

In article <9208171955.AA18342@moe.optics.rochester.edu>,
ng@MOE.OPTICS.ROCHESTER.EDU (Baldwin Ng) writes: 
> IN REPONSE TO [shore@tc.cornell.edu]'s REPLY
> It says:
>>I think there are very few girls here, as the average
>>age of an entering freshman is about 18.  I might also
>>question the legality of men 18 years of age or older
>>hitting on girls - I believe that this is considered to
>>be contributing to the delinquency of a minor
>>--
>>       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
> 
> Well, JUST TO CLARIFY : I GOT NO BAD INTENTION WHEN I ASK A GIRL OUT
>                         SO, I AM NOT TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO HAVE SEX
>                         WITH FRESHMAN GIRLS, OKAY??
> 
> Baldwin Ng (ng@moe.optics.rochester.edu)


Here's a clue...18 year old females generally consider themselves women - not
girls - and prefer to be treated as such.
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
From: bhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris)
Subject: Re: soc.feminism
Organization: Motorola, CCR&D, CORP, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:06:29 GMT
Keywords:                                                  b

In article <1992Aug18.141907.22954@zooid.guild.org> Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:

)Try not to be too condemning, Hillel...
)
)Most people would say that *I* am "Politically Incorrect," but somehow, I am
)able, with rare exceptions in case of very controversial subject matters (ie.,
)discussing rape or abortion), to be permitted to post.
)
)Don't blame the moderators - they are only doing their job!

Have fun.  In the not too unlikely event that you do have problems at some
future date and change your mind about the quality or general utility of the
moderation, remember that you were warned.

---

(It's got teeth like - it can leap about - look at the BONES man!)

Monty Python
From: stricher@masig.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Sexism by another name(was: Right to not support)
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:58:45 GMT
Followup-To: soc.women
Organization: Murasami Labs

Linda Hill wrote a well reasoned article. That is, until I saw the
following
and my BS detector went into overdrive:


> My husband thinks this attitude is appalling (especially coming from an avowed
> feminist) because it places no responsibility whatsoever on the man.  The man
> is free to hop in and out of the sack willy nilly without a care in the world.
> I think that this is pretty much the way of the wild and that the human 
> species
> will never be so evolved that the majority of males can intelligently control
                                   
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> their sex drives.  Therefore it is up to the female of the species, as it has
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Please explain to me why you shouldn't be royally flamed for a rather
egregiously sexist remark. Do you have data to support this? Have there
been studies carried to *prove* that this is so?

Conversely, if it *is* true, what does that say about women? That they
are *equally* irresponsible? Remember, it takes two to tango, and I
don't think a miniscule number of women can handle all us irresponsible
men. Even if it's a minority of women, it's a *sizable minority*.

K'Char

...and that the human species will never be so eveolved that the majority
of
females can intelligently control their sex drives.
From: rh@smds.com (Richard Harter)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Personal Q, Need a Woman's View
Date: 16 Aug 92 03:39:10 GMT
Reply-To: rh@ishmael.UUCP (Richard Harter)
Organization: Software Maintenance & Development Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Aug13.200352.58141@cc.usu.edu> slzm9@cc.usu.edu writes:

>   Hello, I know this is not alt.personals but I need a woman's
>perspective. My girlfriend and I keep having the same fight
>and I would like to know why. She usually tries to give me some
>friendly advice...

Er, fellow, you got a problem here, and it ain't with the missionaries.

Now maybe you're one of those folks that just naturally gets into
noisy  arguments.  I mean, if you can't keep the peace with your nearest
and dearest...

On the other hand, maybe your nearest and dearest has got her problems.
I've noticed that people who have a hangup on getting respect are slow
in handing it out...

It's all a matter of who's being difficult.  If she's being difficult
you need a man's perspective on how to deal with difficult women.  If
you're being difficult, you need a woman's perspective on how you can
be less difficult.  If you're both being difficult, welcome to the
human race.

-- 
Richard Harter: SMDS Inc.  Net address: rh@smds.com Phone: 508-369-7398 
US Mail: SMDS Inc., PO Box 555, Concord MA 01742.    Fax: 508-369-8272
In the fields of Hell where the grass grows high
Are the graves of dreams allowed to die.
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Re: women's place in life
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:25:26 GMT


In article <1992Aug11.211255.18984@dragon.acadiau.ca>, 890530m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Darren MacKenzie) writes:
> Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org> writes:
> 
> >S_>         I am new to this group and I'd just thought I'd share my views with
> >S_> you.  I think that all you women should get away from the computer and start
> >S_> doing what you were created to do (kitchen, kids, and domesticated love slav
> >S_> Remember, you were made from our rib!
> 
> >Flame bait...
> 
> Yes, it is bait for a flame by some crazy feminist, and I'm also going to
> throw in my two cents worth....
> 
> I like to consider myself (although slightly sexist, but I REALLY don't
> care) fairly sensitive and emotional (moreso than the AVERAGE male).  I  
> like to have a girlfriend who is "soft" (hearted), sensitive, cuddly, and
> a total sweetheart.  Needless to say, with the rise of feminism (the
> source of CREATING my sexist attitude) it is becoming more and more
> difficult to find a girl like this.  It sort of goes along with the
> "typical traditional female" idea (kitchen, and the whole works).  If
> anyone knows an easy way to find a warm-hearted girl out there who
> isn't suicidal (as are the ones that I DO find), PLEASE...PLEASE let
> me know!!!
> -Doc
> 
Well I didn't think that the first post should be dignified by a response
but Darren seems to be looking for someone with a kind heart.  I just wanted
to let him know that not all of us who are degreed eletrical engineers and
have worked full time for many years are cold.  I am also a mother, wife, etc.
My working helps ends meet.  I am extremely tender hearted and I almost can't
watch shows such as 911 because I end up crying for people who in the end don't
die and I have never met.  If you are assuming that staying in the kitchen will
give you a kind heart then you deserve what you get...nothing.

Just an opinion,

Karen
From: mikem@travis.csd.harris.com (Mike McCole)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Hating Men with Full Force
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:09:32 GMT
Organization: Harris Computers Systems Division, Fort Lauderdale,FL

In article <92232.46198.6069870@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> 6069870@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>dearest joel,
>
>i think you'd better check out the word "mysogyny" a bit closer
>as it's not found in: webster's ii  new riverside university
>dictionary nor is it found in the: seiko insterments  word power professional.
>but at least you gave it the ol collage try,,,boy.
>

Ok, Joel can't spell.  But hey, you can't think.  Your original post is as
clue free as I've ever seen on the net.   Now, look up misogyny.  Got it?
Good, now look up coprocerebral.

  Mike

__
  mikem@travis.csd.harris.com  Mike McCole  305-973-5466
  2101 W. Cypress Creek Road  Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 MS 143
  All opinions expressed are mine, not Harris Corporations.
From: barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: Editorial in N.Y. Times (8/18/92)
Date: 21 Aug 92 02:33:30 GMT
Reply-To: barnhart@netcom.com
Organization: Netcom

farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:

>In article <TOWFIQ.92Aug19101000@nighthawk.clearpoint.com> towfiq@Microdyne.COM writes:

> @Despite recurrent reports that Iran has become "moderate," persecution
> @of members of the Bahai faith has intensified.  On March 17, a
> @businessman named Bahman Samandari was summoned to the notorious Evin
> @prison in Teheran, where he was secretly executed the next day.

>2. Let's *assume* that the execution took place. What was he accused of?
>   If the execution was simply for being Baha'i, then the gov. should be
>   executing every Baha'i living in Iran! 

Give them time, my moderate friend, give them time ...


-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@netcom.com) -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Subject: info needed: execution of innocent people in U.S.
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 18:16:37 GMT


I need names of people executed in the U.S.... people who, it's
later turned out, were innocent of the crimes for which they
were executed.

My books with this info are on-loan right now, and I need
the references for a debate on a local BBS.

Ideally, I'd also like dates of execution and details of how their
innocence was discovered (other person confessed, new evidence came
to light, etc).

Thanks much.

-- 
* aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu * Dan Doooovall *
*  feared foe of fruit flies  * ///////////// *
From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:14 PDT
Subject: Death Threats For Arief Budiman
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700391:000:1449
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Aug 19 11:14:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: Death Threats For Arief Budiman

/* Written 11:36 pm  Aug 18, 1992 by gn:tapol in cdp:reg.indonesia */
Arief gets death threats

Source: Jakarta Post
Date: 15 August 1992
Dateline: Salatiga
Brief news item
Abridged slightly.


OUTSPOKEN SCHOLAR GETS DEATH THREATS

Arief Budiman, an outspoken intellectual and sociologist from
the Satya Wacana Christian University here has complained to
the local security authorities after receiving anonymous death
threats.

Arief told reporters here yesterday that unidentified people
claiming to be students and local administration officials had
sent him two letters telling him to leave town or risk being
killed. He also received a parcel of human faeces wrapped in
a newspaper, directly addressed to his home.

The scholar is known for his support for poor and
disadvantaged individuals. He said he received the threats
following his opposition to the Salatiga municipal
administration's plan to appropriate the rice fields belonging
to 20 families for the construction of a housing complex for
the municipality's employees. He said he opposed the plan
because the families depend on the rice fields for their
livelihoods and the land was very fertile. He had sent a
letter to Mayor Indro Suparno asking him to find an
alternative location for the housing complex. "I have received
no reply to my letter so far, he said, except for the
threatening letters.

Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
From: yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: Editorial in N.Y. Times (8/18/92)
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:08:44 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

towfiq@Microdyne.COM writes:

>  If he was a criminal, one would imagine that he would be arrested,
>charged, and put on trial (as were those individuals who have been
>smuggling drugs in Iran, or those who participated in the riots in
>Mashhad).  This did not happen.  Also, please note that many Muslims
>have been excecuted unjustly.  Insofar as killing people unjustly goes
>against everything Muhammad stood for and taught, I would call this
>very ansi-Islamic.  It is actions such as these which are eating away
 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

I disagree!
I think it is very anti-Islamic.


>Mark Towfiq, towfiq@Microdyne.COM			      H:+1 617 488 2818

Ala
From: farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin Mokhtarian)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: Editorial in N.Y. Times (8/18/92)
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:59:16 GMT
Followup-To: soc.rights.human
Organization: none

In article <TOWFIQ.92Aug19101000@nighthawk.clearpoint.com> towfiq@Microdyne.COM writes:

 @  The following editorial appeared in Tuesday's New York Times:
 @
 @			     A Death in Iran
 @
 @Despite recurrent reports that Iran has become "moderate," persecution
 @of members of the Bahai faith has intensified.  On March 17, a
 @businessman named Bahman Samandari was summoned to the notorious Evin
 @prison in Teheran, where he was secretly executed the next day.

a. What is their source? Supposedly "secretly" means that the Iranian
   government has not admitted the alleged execution.
   
b. Let's *assume* such a man was in fact executed. What were the grounds
   for it? If it was simply because he is a Baha'i, then the government
   should be executing *every* baha'i in Iran! Was he perhaps a Baha'i
   AND a criminal?
   
 - Farzin Mokhtarian
   farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp  
                 
             
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From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:24 PDT
Subject: ICJ Timor Report Out
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700365:000:1035
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Aug 14 11:24:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: ICJ Timor Report Out

/* Written  4:50 pm  Aug 13, 1992 by apakabar in cdp:reg.indonesia */

    Reuter, Geneva, Aug 13 - Trials carried out by the Indonesian
government following a massacre last year in Timor "turned justice on
its head," a respected panel of judges and lawyers said on Thursday.
    The International Commission of Jurists issued a report pointing out
that Indonesian troops involved in homicide and serious assault got
maximum sentences of 18 months while unarmed Timorese involved in a
peaceful demonstration received sentences from five years to life in
prison.
    At least 50 people died when troops fired on demonstrators at Santa
Cruz cemetery in Dili, East Timor, last November 12. The troops claimed
they acted in self-defence. The trials ran from March to June this year
under ICJ observation.
    The report referred to "the grim reality of the consequences of
raising a voice in dissent in Indonesia with respect to the sensitive
matter of East Timor."
From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:36 PDT
Subject: Re: A Kindler Afghanistan
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1476700394:cdp:1476700395:000:2107
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Aug 20 16:36:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: A Kindler Afghanistan

/* Written 10:26 pm  Aug 19, 1992 by bmeeks in cdp:hr.news */
I can't believe the slop written here under the guise of "informed
opinion."  When are we going to be freed from the "help our oppressed
brothers and sisters and free them from the tryanny of the running dog
capitalists"?

First off, I'm no apologist for the U.S. Government's involvement in 
Afghanistan.  Everything they did was wrong or has turned out wrong.

That said, let me also chime in on other side.  The so-called "progressive"
pro-socialist govt. of Nijibullah was anything but progressive!  He was
trained by the KGB and ran the hated Afghan secret police, the Khad, before
Moscow set him up as a puppet ruler.  He routinely snatched his dissenters
off the streets and stuck in Policharki prison on the outskirts of Kabul, 
where they were "disappeared" like so often happened in Argentina.

He single handedly bankrupted the country, with healthy doses of help
from the previous USSR, which virtually plundered the country of its
natural resources (and continues to do so... especailly with the all
the natural gas the Russian govt. continues to syphon off from the
northwest province that they all but annexed back in '88.)

Nijib never intended to "give back the land" hell, he didn't have it
to give back, and frankly, he couldn't care less about it or the 
people in the countryside.  He is a Pushtan and is loyal only to his
clan.  Kabul always has been a strong central govt. but left the
rural populations to be controlled by the traditional mullahs and
tribal counsels. 

Nijib was and is a murderer.  He deserves on accolades.
The U.S., in its own way is just as guilty as Nijib.

How the hell do I know all this?  Easy, I've seen it first hand,
reported it first hand as a foreign correspondent for the San Francisco
Chronicle.  I even took several pieces of goddamn shrapnel in my body
during the '89 offensive for Jalalabad.

Don't talk to me about the wonders of the moscow backed govt.  It stinks.
And there's nothing better on the horizon...
From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Date: 12 Aug 92 09:28 PDT
Subject: Puerto Rico:Political Prisoners
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700356:000:2131
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Aug 12 09:28:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: Puerto Rico:Political Prisoners

/* Written  9:46 pm  Aug 11, 1992 by caribdoc in cdp:reg.puertorico */

CONDITIONS OF INCARCERATION.
By Jan Sussler.

[Excerpt]

Our prisoners are subjected to psychological and physical torture.
If they didn't resist, they would die. If we don't resist United
States military and corporate plans for our nation, we will die.
Resistance is our means of survival.
---Alejandrina Torres

Eighteen Puerto Ricans patriots imprisoned in the U.S. in 1992
face conditions on a daily basis that are calculated to deny them
their political identity, in an attempt to break their spirit. The
treatment of these prisoners is designed to force cooperation with
the government in its efforts to destroy the Puerto Rican
Independence movement, and to set an example for others who would
dare to follow to their footsteps.  These eighteen:  Alejandrina
Torres, Oscar Lopez Rivera, Ida Luz Rodriguez, Adolfo Matos,
Dylcia Pagan, Luis Rosa, Carmen Valetin, Elizam Escobar, Alicia
Rodriguez, Carlos Alberto Torres, Hayddee Beltran Torres, Ricardo
Jimenez, Edwin Cortes, Alberto Rodriguez, Juan Segarra Palmer,
Antonio Camacho Negron, Roberto Jose Maldonado, and Roman Ramirez
Talavera, wake up each day, and most of them have waken up every
day for the past eleven years, to face a battle to maintain their
identity, their dignity, their physical and psychological
well-being. The conditions they face violate international norms,
such as the United Nations Standard Minimum Rules for the
Treatment of Prisoners (UNSMRTP) and domestic prison law as well.

The U.S. government denies that it has political prisoners. The
myth of democracy requires this denial. Yet the denial is
contradicted by prison conditions which target the political
prisoners for special punitive treatment. Such treatment clearly
violates international standards which explicitly preclude
discrimination by prison officials on the grounds of political
beliefs or opinions.

[Sussler, Jan. Condiciones de Encarcelamiento/Conditions
Incarceration. Ofensiva 92, Rio Piedras, Puerto Rico, p. 21]
From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Date: 22 Aug 92 13:14 PDT
Subject: EMERGENCY ACTION - SOMALIA
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1476700405:000:1990
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hrcoord    Aug 22 13:14:00 1992


From: Human Rights Coordinator <hrcoord>
Subject: EMERGENCY ACTION - SOMALIA

/* Written 10:49 pm  Aug 21, 1992 by aiusala in cdp:ai.general */
  EMERGENCY ACTION - SOMALIA      AUGUST 11, 1992

TO:  AI Activists

FR:  Jack Rendler, National Campaign Director

RE:  Action on Somalia
 Urgent and decisive measures are needed to halt abuses in
Somalia and to build respect for human rights.  Since
President Siad Barre's brutal 21-year reign ended in January
of 1991, civil war and anarchic violence have resulted in the
deaths of over 10,000 people in Mogadishu alone.  Over the
last 18 months there have been mass killings, rapes and
mutilations.  Victims are systematically targeted because of
their clan origin.

Amnesty is calling on all political groups involved in the
conflict in Somalia to stop deliberate and arbitrary killings,
to stop torture and mutilations, and to commit themselves to
work for protection of the human rights of all Somalis,
regardless of clan membership or political opinion. 

ACTION

1)  Please contact your Congressional Representative and your
state's U.S. Senators.  Let them know of Amnesty's concerns. 
Provide their local offices with copies of AI's recent report,
"Somalia:  A Human Rights Disaster."  Request that your
elected representatives do everything within their power,
everything within the power of the U.S. Government to:

* pressure all sides in the conflict to stop the killings,
torture, rape and mutilation of innocent Somalis;

* extract from the leaders of each party to the conflict
meaningful and active assurance that they will work for the
protection of the human rights of all Somalis.

2)  Use the political campaign structures in your community
and in your state to urge all candidates for national office
to articulate a plea to all factions in Somalia to stop the
killings and the torture.  Provide candidates with AI's
report.  Urge them to use the platform of their candidacies to
call for the protection of all Somalis.
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: EL SALVADOR: ''TRUE JUSTICE'' CALLE
Date: 16 Aug 92  12:19:44 EST




/* Written 12:10 am  Aug 15, 1992 by newsdesk in
cdp:ips.englibrary */ Copyright Inter Press Service 1992, all
rights reserved.  Permission to re- print within 7 days of
original date only with permission from 'newsdesk'.

Title: EL SALVADOR: ''TRUE JUSTICE'' CALLED FOR IN JESUIT
KILLINGS

san salvador, aug 12 (ips) -- a top jesuit official has called for
the release of two soldiers condemned for the 1989 murder of six
jesuit priests, their housekeeper and her daughter, saying the
true intellectual authors of the crime remain free.

''we do not want to be accomplices to an injustice that lays all
the blame on just two of the accused,'' the central american
director of the jesuit order, jose maria tojeira, said on
wednesday, while asking for amnesty for the two officers.

the killings occurred on the grounds of the ''jose simeon canas''
central american university on nov. 15, 1989 in the midst of a
massive anti-government offensive launched by the farabundo marti
liberation front (fmln).

the convicted officers are colonel guillermo banavides, former
director of el salvador's military academy, and lieutenant yussy
rene mendoza, accused of burning documents relating to the
military's participation in the assassinations.

both were sentenced to 30 years in prison, following an october
1991 trial, in which six other soldiers were acquitted.

in his statement, tojeira said a thorough and honest investigation
was needed to discover and punish the authors of the crime.

according to peace accords signed between the government and fmln
in january, the jesuit killings, along with other notorious human
rights violations, will be investigated by a ''commission of
truth.''

the commission is made up of former colombian president belisario
betancur, former venezualan foreign minister reinaldo figueredo
and u.s. judge thomas buergenthal.

the commission will spend six months investigating human rights
abuses perpetrated in the course of the country's 12 year civil
war.

in addition, since may, another ad hoc commission made up of three
salvadorans, has been investigating the conduct of some 2,188
military officials as part of the plan to ''clean up'' the armed
forces.

tojeira considers both commissions important, but complained that
they have not been given enough time or support to truly
investigate the role of the military in human rights violations.

''they have done a good job, but they still need more time to
investigate, as the military is implicated in so many cases,'' the
priest said. (end/ips/trd/so/bf-sfi/eli/kb/92)
----

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