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From: shenkin@avogadro.barnard.columbia.edu (Peter S. Shenkin)
Subject: Re: Cliches/Hackneyed
Organization: Dept. of Chem, Barnard College, Columbia U, New York
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:30:14 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.140257.8436@tc.cornell.edu> shore@tc.cornell.edu writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.224124.17685@ctr.columbia.edu>, shenkin@avogadro.barnard.columbia.edu (Peter S. Shenkin) writes:
>> Loretta Lynn:  "Your squaw's on the warpath tonight," "Don't come home
>> a'drinkin with lovin' on your mind," etc.
>
>Nope, too specific.  Are there songs that either make generalizations
>about all men, or say "he may be a man but I like him anyway?"

Tammy: "'Cause after all, he's just a man."  How about Jean Shepherd's
"Two Hoots and a Holler," which complains about the way men view women:
"(They don't give) two hoots and a holler, she's lower than a hound,  If
she drinks or smokes or tells a joke she's the meanest thing in town."

	-P.
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From: shenkin@avogadro.barnard.columbia.edu (Peter S. Shenkin)
Subject: Re: Hackneyed/cliches
Organization: Dept. of Chem, Barnard College, Columbia U, New York
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 19:27:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.071855.3931@iscsvax.uni.edu> 
gilpin@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>How about, "I'd rather be used than not needed at all" by Barbara & Louise
>Mandrell?

Or:  "I'd rather be the one you slip around with (than be the one at
home all alone)", by the Davis Sisters (one of whom was Skeeter).

	-P.
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From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Austin Encore
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:53:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio


Ain't the ethics of the TV business great??

TNN makes a deal with the producers of Austin City Limits for a show
called 'The Texas Connection.'  Producers provide, everybody happy.
Then TNN gets rights to ACL re-runs, and schedules them opposite ACL
on PBS!  What Jerry Jeff calls 'that man in the high-heel Gucci shoes
is taking over.  Next thing will be the Grand Ole Opry moving to New
York. (Although in spirit is is already there.)  Sic Transit Gloria.

TH
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From: shenkin@avogadro.barnard.columbia.edu (Peter S. Shenkin)
Subject: Re: Musical Tastes
Organization: Dept. of Chem, Barnard College, Columbia U, New York
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:08:28 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.172701.15373@cis.ohio-state.edu> goelz@perch.cis.ohio-state.edu (christopher k goelz) writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.203609.16459@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes) writes:
>>Just as a matter of curiosity over the things some folks like and others
>>don't, what is, in your opinion, the WORST country music recording you've
>>ever heard?
>
>"I Got the Horse and You Got the Saddle"
>or maybe it is "You Got the Horse and I Got the Saddle"
>Artist I don't know.

Mel Tillis.  But I don't think it's that bad.

	-P.
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From: bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel)
Subject: Re: A couple of questions ...
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 13:15:11 GMT


re: (a). Charlie Pride; Stoney Edwards. There is a lso a DC area
cardiologist who is attempting to break into Gnashville.
-- 
Ted
From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Musical Tastes
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:36:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

Just as a matter of curiosity over the things some folks like and others
don't, what is, in your opinion, the WORST country music recording you've
ever heard?

I know this is totally subjective (Howard Cosell was once named as favorite
and least favorite sportscaster in the same poll), but the answers might be
interesting.

My own vote ends in a three-way tie.

1. 'Made in Japan' / Buck Owens
2. 'Pregnant Again' / Loretta Lynn
3. 'Squaws Along the Yukon' / Hank Thompson
If forced to pick one, I guess I'd have to go with #3, as much as I like
almost everything else Thompson did.

TH
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From: willie@amalthea.osf.org (William Williams)
Subject: Re: Top Songs of the week
Organization: Open Software Foundation
	<1992Mar30.201334.17057@reed.edu>
	<1992Mar31.170846.17630@watserv1.waterloo.edu>,<1992Apr6.220609.11990@wdl.loral.com>
	<1992Apr8.045248.2902@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:14:40


I have a question about the Billboard charts, since you seem to have
access to some of them.  There used to be (i.e., within the last ten
years) a book containing the week-by-week Top 40 (or perhaps Top 100),
from around 1955 until whenever it was published.  I would love to
get hold of this book.  Unfortunately, now this book seems to have
been reorganized, presenting the same information in different
formats.  The bulk of the book is an artist-by-artist listing, giving
each hit (that reached the Top 100), it's release date, and its peak
position and weeks on chart.

(It also gives an alphabetical list, by song-title, of all the Top 100
hits from 1955, and several miscellaneous lists, like Top 100 Songs of
the 60's, etc.).

What I would REALLY like, however, is 

(1) the original week-by-week book

and 

(2) pre-1955 charts.  I originally thought that perhaps Billboard
    charts didn't exist before 1955.  But the artist-by-artist
    book I have has a few songs with asterisks saying things like
    "original by Artie Shaw peaked at #2 in 1938."  

Does anyone out there know about the history of Pop charts?  And what
about C & W charts?  It's interesting (to me) how few (and which)
country songs have reached the Pop charts.  (If anyone's interested,
I could post some of what the book I do have shows on this).



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From: bobsoron@world.std.com (Bob Soron)
Subject: Re: Austin Encore
Followup-To: rec.music.country.western
Summary: Check your local listings and lighten up
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 05:47:46 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.235350.11172@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes) writes:
>
>Ain't the ethics of the TV business great??
>
>TNN makes a deal with the producers of Austin City Limits for a show
>called 'The Texas Connection.'  Producers provide, everybody happy.
>Then TNN gets rights to ACL re-runs, and schedules them opposite ACL
>on PBS!  What Jerry Jeff calls 'that man in the high-heel Gucci shoes
>is taking over.  Next thing will be the Grand Ole Opry moving to New
>York. (Although in spirit is is already there.)  Sic Transit Gloria.
>
>TH

You might want to take into consideration that every PBS station runs
Austin City Limitat its own preferred time, and the ninight it's
*scheduled* to run is Saturday nights. Around here, two stations show
it on Saturday night, and one repeats it on Monday night. TNN put the
show where it fit on its schedule. If it's opposite Austin City Limits
in your area, it's a coincidence, and it's your PBS station that's
taking the liberties.
 
bobsoron@world.std.com
"With Velcro, gravity is obsolete" -- Mister Boffo
 
(Sorry if this is a duplicate post... fierce line noise choked Emacs
the first time, and I don't know if it got out or not.)

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From: sxjwg@orca.alaska.edu
Subject: Garth and Lane Frost
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 01:52:12 GMT

In Garth Brooks' video "The Dance" one of the people in it is Lane Frost, a
rodeo cowboy.  Could someone tell me how he died?  Wasn't he gored to death
riding a bull???  Thanks!

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From: gilpin@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Hackneyed/cliches
Date: 17 Apr 92 07:18:55 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

How about, "I'd rather be used than not needed at all" by Barbara & Louise
Mandrell?
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From: melinda@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Melinda Wolfskill)
Subject: Re: Trivia
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:04:31 GMT

thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes) writes:
> 
> Trivia Time!!
> 
> Three different songs, by three different artists, all with the same title,
> have made the Country Music Top Ten.  What is the common title, who were the
> artists?
> 
OOOOPS!!  sorry, I goofed *BIG TIME*  disregard my last answer...next time
I'll read the question @ 5 or 6 times before attempting an answer!!

Melinda

p.s.	let me think a little more about this one & i'll get back to ya!

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From: fischer@netmbx.netmbx.de (Axel Fischer)
Subject:  A couple of questions ...
Organization: netmbx, Berlin, Germany
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 11:52:08 GMT

Hello,

I have a couple of questions.

a) Was there ever a black Country & Western artist who even had some
	success?

b) Who holds the record for most ACC #1 Country hits?

c) Who is propably the alltime most successfull male and female artist?

d) Who is currently the most popular Country artist?

e) From which region of the USA does the most successfull Country artists
	come from?

f) Does ever a Country artist covered the song "The River" from Bruce
	"The Boss" Springsteen?


Please reply via mail, I summarize and post.

Thanks,	
	Axel
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Date: Sunday, 5 Apr 1992 21:26:23 CDT
From: greg woods <MV012841@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: RUBY
 <rda6kINNefv@agate.berkeley.edu> <92092.232858SDK2@psuvm.psu.edu>
 <1992Apr2.132932.6203@sura.net> <1992Apr2.165053.19181@intelhf.hf.intel.com>

In article <1992Apr2.165053.19181@intelhf.hf.intel.com>,
dcovell@intelhf.hf.intel.com (David Covell) says:
>
>The music business really stinks! Besides, I think it's a dumb song...another
>example of songs that aren't really country but are played on C+W stations
>rock-'n-roll heart")

      The song "Play Ruby Play" is by Clinton Gregory. He isn't
  a newcomer either. This is his 4th chart single and his 3rd
  album.
      His four hits are "I'd go crazy"which went to #20, "Dying
  one shot at a Time" and "Satisy me and I'll satisfy you" which
  went to the low 30's, and "Play ruby Play" which bolting up the
  charts.
      You obviously don't listen to the radio a lot or you
  would know that he is REAL country and is getting down to
  a little change of pace. Also he is on an Independent Label
  where the entire publicity department is the his record
  producer's wife. Just imagine how big he would be if he was
  on a major label!!!!!!! I personalyy like the song and I hope
  it goes all the way to #1!!!!

>DAVID COVELL (dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com)|Wrangler of acoustic, electric, and

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From: jrv@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (JR VanMechelen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Hackneyed/cliches
Summary: New eternal verities are hard to come by
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:21:08 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <1992Apr16.110412.19585@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bh419@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ted B Samsel) writes:
>
>Hey, buckarooss and buckarettes,
>  Hackneyed truisms and cliches make up about 85% (mas o menos)
>of C&W. Or else it wouldn't sell. (I've been playing this stuff
>since the '60s as a sprat in Texas; the audiences  DON'T want
>anything *startlingly new*, just gussy up the same old, same old)
>  "am I right,
>    or Amarillo?"
>-- 
>Ted....

Howdy,

If you substitute 'life', 'love', 'drinkin', 'sports', or any of your
other favorite pastimes in for 'C&W', you'll have another profound
cliche.  In fact, I think that there's 80-90% of a country song done
here.  All's we have to do is rhyme it a bit, put it to a tune, strum
a few bars on our Fenders, and voila, another wild bronc which if we
are lucky we can ride all the way up the country charts.  Anybody out
there that can carry a tune? ;-)

So long,
JR
From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Re: Musical Tastes
Date: 15 Apr 92 18:43:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Apr15.184343.5431
Organization: Western Washington University

In article <wXu7iB1w164w@berry.Cary.NC.US> pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry) writes:
>force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com!marshall (Bob Marshall) writes:
>
>> In article <1992Apr6.203609.16459@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, thughes@lonestar.utsa.
>> >Just as a matter of curiosity over the things some folks like and others
>> >don't, what is, in your opinion, the WORST country music recording you've
>> >ever heard?
>> 
>> I would also nominate anything by Mel McDaniel, starting with the song
>> "Baby's Got Her Blue Jeans On".
>
>Augh!  I'm glad I'm not the only person who can't stand that one.  This
>isn't just because it's such a *stupid* song, but also because it uses
>one of the most pathetic songwriting copouts there is: rhyming a word
>with itself.
>
>I also hate "Cadillac Style", for similar reasons.  The person who wrote
>it must have saved up cliches and hackneyed phrases for several years in
>order to produce that song.
>
>The worst thing about both of these is that they're the kind of song
>that get in your head and WON'T STOP!  If I happen to hear a fragment of
>either song in the morning, it will continue playing in my brain all
>day, driving me completely up the wall.  My coworkers probably wonder
>why I'm walking down the hall muttering to myself, "Shut up!  Shut *up*,
>dammit!"

I happen to love "Baby's Got Her Blue Jeans On."  Who cares if it isn't
technically a good song,  it just makes you feel good, and that is what
it's all about.  And there are far worse songs to not be able to get
out of your head.  A couple that jump to my mind it "Pass It On Down"
by Alabama.  I hate message songs.  The Judds, "Love Can Build a Bridge"
is another.  How pathetic and corny can you get.
But, to each his own. May Country rule forever.

Marty O.

"It's a feeling that we all wanna know
and it's an obsession to some
to keep the world in your rearview mirror
while you try to run down the sun"

"Wheels" by Rhestless Heart.

>
>
>Pat Berry                    pat@berry.Cary.NC.US
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From: mmpenner@rose.waterloo.edu (Mary Margaret Penner)
Subject: Garth Brooks Special
Keywords: Repost, I still need a tape
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 12:30:46 GMT

In January I posted a request for a copy of the Garth Brooks special and
I thought I was getting one but nothing came of it.  I still need a
copy.  I am graduating and will lose my net access on April 21 as I am
moving home.  If anyone out there is willing to make a copy of it and
mail it to me, I'll reimburse them.  I know the special will be shown
again however it was only shown on cable the first time and my parents
refuse to get cable so there is no chance I'll get to see it.  Please,
no don't bother, it wasn't that good email, I don't need it right now.
I like Garth, even more than I did before I saw him in concert and
no one will change my mind.

Thanks

Mary
From: auvers@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (E.M. Auvers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Brooks and BMG music clubs
Summary: Gone! Why?
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:54:01 GMT
Organization: Total disOrganization

Does anybody know why Garth Brooks' albums are no longer listed in either of
BMG's music clubs?

I'm finally getting to have an appreciation for country music (hey - the nick
says it all, right?), I decide to buy a couple of his albums, and poof! 
They're gone!

- Salieri
AUVERS@DRYCAS.CLUB.CMU.EDU // AUVERS@DRYCAS.BITNET
From: thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
Subject: Successful/Springsteen
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:43:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

This is the second time I've seen reference to Emmy Lou's version of
'Mansion on the Hill' in reply to a question about Bruce Springsteen.
Admittedly, I know NOTHING about BS.  Does he have a song called 'Mansion
on the Hill?'  The only one I ever heard with that title was written and
sung by Hank Williams, and was, in fact, according to legend, the song
Williams wrote in the office of Fred Rose when asked to prove that the
songs he had pitched were his own.

TH
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From: pwilson@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Pete Wilson)
Subject: Susie Boguss (Aces)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:09:25 GMT

I guess everybody knows that "Someday Soon" was written by Canada's own
drooling,  errr, crooning cowboy, Ian Tyson, but how many people know
that "Outbound Plane" was written by Tom Russell, who's a de facto
Canadian, having lived here since the Vietnam era.  
   Speaking of things Canadian, How about them Blue Jays!!!
Prediction for '92,  Winfield and Morris put us over the top.  Might
as well just award us the World Series now.

.pw


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From: usglkrx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Lori K. Rothman)
Subject: Song Lyrics wanted
Summary: want the lyrics
Keywords: Emmy Lou Harris  River for Him
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:53:32 GMT

I am very interested in finding out the lyrics to the song
"A River for Him"  by Emmy Lou Harris.  I don't normally read
this group, so I'd appreciate an e-mail response.
Newsgroups: rec.music.country.western
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: Musical Tastes
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:29:54 GMT

[]
I find John Conlee's "She's Just a Woman" to be pretty
ghastly for any number of reasons.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
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From: force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com!marshall (Bob Marshall)
Subject: Re: Musical Tastes
Reply-To: marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 04:29:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.203609.16459@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes) writes:
>Just as a matter of curiosity over the things some folks like and others
>don't, what is, in your opinion, the WORST country music recording you've
>ever heard?

Well, since Garth Brooks is supposedly a country music artist and "Shameless"
was played to death on the country music stations I listen to, I guess
it qualifies as a country music recording. So that's my pick. I pick it
because it's the only "country" song I can think of that has caused me
genuine pain to listen to.

A runner-up is "You're The Only Friend I've Got" by Cledus Maggard
(anyone remember him? He sang the C.B. song "White Knight"). This C.B. song
includes the lyrics :

    "Got a letter from the family the other day,
     My single sister's pregnant,
     And my little brother's gay,
     Ah, what can I say, except
     Who we got on the other end?
     You're the only friend I got"

(sung in a voice that makes you picture a basset hound). Actually, I like
the song just because it is so awful.

I would also nominate anything by Mel McDaniel, starting with the song
"Baby's Got Her Blue Jeans On". Oh, and add the song "It's Raining Girls",
by the Bellamy Brothers; talk about inane - how can you record a beautiful
song like "Santa Fe" and follow it up on the album with a song titled "It's
Raining Girls"? Ugh. Oh, now I'm on a roll - what about that Johnny
Duncan song that had the lyrics "and I was making small talk, thinking
of a rendevous"? AUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! "Davy Crockett" by the
Kentucky Headhunters? Help me, I can't stop! "Snapshot" by Sylvia!
"Do Ya?" by K.T. Oslin! Dave and Sugar! ACCKKKK!!!!

Oh, and my wife wants to nominate any song off of C.W. McCall's "Wolf
Creek Pass" album (of course, she has no taste at all).
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From: melinda@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Melinda Wolfskill)
Subject: Re: Trivia
Organization: California State University, Sacramento
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:56:50 GMT

thughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (Toby . Hughes) writes:
> 
> Trivia Time!!
> 
> Three different songs, by three different artists, all with the same title,
> have made the Country Music Top Ten.  What is the common title, who were the
> artists?
> 
> 
Not TOO sure about this, but is the song "Milk Cow Blues"?  If so, then the
artists are George Strait *YUM*, Hank Williams Sr., and some old guy from
the 20's(?).

Am I right???  Do I get a prize???  *sheeaah right* 

Melinda
 
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