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From:         VGRICK@VSCNET.BITNET
Subject:      Re: VAX environment for administrative systems

>Other than Datatel, what other administrative systems for student, financial,
>alumni, etc are available for VAX?


Vermont State Colleges uses Campus America's POISE which runs on the VAX.
It has a variety of offerings which include systems for Student Information,
Financial Aid, Fiscal, Student Receivables (billing), and more.

                        Campus America
                        Regency Business Park
                        Suite 205
                        900 Hill Avenue
                        Knoxville, TN
                        (615) 523-9506


Aside from that, your DEC Rep may be able to help you with compiling
a list of companies and their product offerings (that DEC knows about).

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Assistant Director for Administrative Systems     Phone:   802-241-2535
Vermont State Colleges                            Fax:     802-244-5400
P.O. Box 359
Waterbury, Vermont  05676-0359
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 16:15:57 EST
From:         Fred Goebeler <C0418@UNIVSCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      CUMREC '92 Audience Exhibit Survey

      If you attended CUMREC '92 in Miami, you should have received the
 CUMREC '92 Audience Exhibit Survey along with the self addressed
 postage paid envelope.  Please take a few minutes and fill out this
 very important piece of information.  The Board of Directors of
 CUMREC and the Corporate Relations Committee are interested in your
 comments.  Every year we solicit your opinion about the strength or
 weakness of the program.  This year we are soliciting your opinions on
 the exhibits.  The exhibit area has become an important part of our
 conference.  This is where we get a chance to talk to the vendors that
 supply us with the products we work with every day.  Additionally,
 they present us a first hand opportunity to view products we may have
 heard about and not seen as well as products that are new to us.

      It also gives the exhibitors a chance to meet and talk to the
 people that make the recommendations that influence the purchase of
 their products....you, the attendee.

      We want your comments.  Please take a few minutes to complete
 this survey and make use of the postage paid self addressed envelope.
 For those of you who received the survey and wondered what it was
 about...you are correct in guessing that this letter was supposed to
 accompany it.  At CUMREC '93 we will continue this process, but will
 include the survey as part of your registration packet.  We will ask
 you to complete it while at CUMREC '93 and turn it in at the
 Membership Participation Committee booth.

      Again, thank you for your time and effort in completing this
 survey.  See you at CUMREC '93 in San Antonio!

                                    Fred Goebeler
                                    CUMREC International Office
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From:         "Dr. John C. Biddle" <JCBIDD01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
Subject:      VAX environment for administrative systems

Associate Professor Information Science & Data Processing
PHONE: (502) 588 - 6121
Which of the following run on VAX:

SCT's BANNER

CARS

Other than Datatel, what other administrative systems for student, financial,
alumni, etc are available for VAX?

Thanks,

John
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Subject:      Re: VAX environment for administrative systems

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     10-Nov-1992 08:18am EST
                                        From:     Ernest Jones
                                                  JONESEL
                                        Dept:     CAMS
                                        Tel No:   704 262 6276

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Subject: RE: VAX environment for administrative systems

SCT continues to market the PLUS series of the former Information
Associates product line.
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 10:51:39 EST
From:         Janet Terry <TERRYJ@VTVM2.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Housing lists

Andy,

Bill Chapman at Mississippi State coordinates an active housing list.
To subscribe, send a request to BILLC@HOUSING.MSSTATE.EDU.

Janet Terry
Va Tech
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:55:00 EST
From:         JHTOPPIN@OWUCOMCN.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Migration to Unix

Janet,

This last Spring Ohio Wesleyan University, enrollment 1900, did
what we believe to be an extensive analysis of administrative
software packages.  While Unix was not a requirement, (we felt that
you first find the package that best meets the institution's
requirements and then purchase the hardware and operating system
that the package run with), it was a factor.  As I remember it,
three companies offered Unix based systems.
      SCT - Banner
           SCT Corporation
           4 County View Road
           Malvern,  PA  19355
      Datatel - Colleague
           Datatel, Inc.
           4375 Fair Lakes Court
           Fairfax, VA  22033
      CARS - CARS
           CARS Information System Corp.
           4000 Executive Park Drive
           Cincinnati, OH  45241

To net it out, we ultimately made the recommendation that CARS
be purchased, partially because it was developed from the start under
Unix and it utilized one of the better Unix data bases, Informix.
I won't go into all the issues, but we think we made the right choice
for Ohio Wesleyan.

Unfortunately, recommendations and actions are separated only by
dollars.  We are told that the commitment will be made soon, but
that doesn't give you any real world experience.  I am sure all
three vendors will be more than happy to give you the names and
phone numbers of their clients who have made the conversion to
the Unix environment using their product.

Give me a call if I can be of additional help.

John H. Topping                   JHTOPPIN@CC.OWU.EDU  Internet
Dir. of Administrative Systems      JHTOPPIN@OWUCOMCN    BITNET
614-368-3121
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:42:30 EST
From:         "Judith B. Judkins" <jbjudkin@COLBY.EDU>
Subject:      VAX environment for administrative systems

        The CARS software is no longer available on a Vax platform.
CARS Information Systems Corp. (Cincinnati, OH) formerly sold a Dec
Ultrix version but has withdrawn support for it in the past year.
Colby College is still running CARS on a Vax, but will switch to an
HP system within the next month or two.

************** ************** ************** ************** **************
      Judy Judkins               internet:  jbjudkin@colby.edu
      Associate Director, Computer Services
      Colby College
      Waterville,  ME  04901
      (207) 872-3583
************** ************** ************** ************** **************
From: A1KBW@TTUVM1.BITNET (Kay Whyburn)
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Earnie - Texas Tech University is a new NATURAL user and we are currently
developing new systems with this product.  NATURAL does have to run under
ADABAS, but we are strictly using it with DB2 and VSAM.  We are able to read
and write to separate VSAM files and DB2 tables at the same time in an
interactive mode crossing regions.  It has sped up our development
productivity tremendously.  We are scheduled for CONSTRUCT training in December
so I can't speak to that yet.  We have just completed a FASTRACK development/
training contract with Software AG.  I would be happy to visit with you
further on NATURAL.  Please contact me:  Kay Whyburn
                                         Manager, Financial Systems
                                         Texas Tech University
                                         806-742-3938
From: ##06@UTMARTN.BITNET (Shannon Burgin)
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We are interested in the experiences of others who have stored strip
files on a server for adhoc reporting only access.

- Which database are you using?

- Are the end users satisfied?

- Are you satisfied?

Thank-you to everyone who submits information.


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* Bitnet: ##06@UTMARTN.BITNET    *    Computer Center                  *
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:43:28 EDT
From:         Earnie Dyke <EARNIE@COMP1.CC.WM.EDU>
Subject:      NATURAL Information

    We at William and Mary are looking into moving from COBOL to
NATURAL.  I would appreciate any comments some of you might have.  We
are specifically interested in;


    What was the learning curve like?

    Do you use it with DB2 or ADABAS or VSAM?

    Do you feel it has really improved programmer productivity?

    Have you tried to train any end users in NATURAL?

    Do you use NATURAL CONSTRUCT/PREDICT?

    What platform(s) do you run it on?

    What is your overall impression of the product?

    Thanks in advance!!

    Earnie!

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* Manager, Administrative Systems  *  TSO/E 2.0                     *
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:44:33 EDT
From:         Lewis Carson <NMRCLAC@PEELE.BAS.NCSU.EDU>
Subject:      response and 1 more question

hello, a week or so ago i floated a question on fellowships and how
they are paid.  thanks to those who responded.  the end of this
message is a synopsis of responses.

NEXT QUESTION PLEASE: i am interested in knowing how other
institutions handle the legal paperwork involved with student
payments, specifically I-9 verification, W-4, 1099, 1042, and so on.

IF your institution has electronic approvals for payments, do those
documents stay in departments or colleges, are they collected
centrally or copied, faxed, imaged, etc. ??


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summary : fellowships are paid in multiple methods:

accounts payable system      6 institutions
custom 'in-house' system     2  "
financial aid system         2  "
payroll system               5  "

most institutions pay stipends in several ways...

documentation verification and tax withholding are a common problem

thanks, lewis

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Lewis Carson
 Management Information Resource Center
 Box 7231   18 Leazar Hall
 North Carolina State University
 Raleigh, NC   27695

 email: lewis_carson@ncsu.edu
 phone: 919-515-7947  fax: 919-515-7535
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:11:56 -0600
From:         "Denny Witte, CUIS" <WITTE@CRF.CUIS.EDU>
Subject:      summary software maint survey

Following is a summary of responses from CUMREC-L participants regarding
annual software maintenance costs for administrative information systems from
commercial vendors.

Almost every respondent mentioned that the percentage is based upon
"current list price" of the software.

10%  X
11%
12%  XXXX
13%
14%
15%  XXXXXX

Thank you to all who submitted reponses.

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* Dennis E. Witte                                        voice: 708-209-3205 *
* Director of Computer Services                          fax:   708-209-3177 *
* Concordia University Information Systems      internet: WITTE@CRF.CUIS.EDU *
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 09:47:56 CDT
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Subject:      Housing lists

                                                                Grinnell
                                                                College

                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     13-Nov-1992 09:43am GMT
                                        From:     Andrew Albers
                                                  ALBERS
                                        Dept:     Computer Services
                                        Tel No:   x4901

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Subject: Housing lists

About a year ago there was some talk about some lists for housing.  I would
appreciate it if someone would let me know the names and addresses to subscribe
to these lists.

Thanks,
Andy Albers
Grinnell College
BITNET:   albers@grin2
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                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     12-Nov-1992 02:39pm EDT
                                        From:     Albert L. LeDuc
                                                  LEDUCA
                                        Dept:
                                        Tel No:   305/237-2208

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Subject: T-1 Cards

Admittedly, this is a shot in the dark:  we have been looking for Paradyne
T-1 cards to patch us over a communications link.  If you have an obsolete
Paradyne Pix system you may be able to help us.  (This system is used for
RJE setups.)  We need six (6) Paradyne model PCB91581 boards; these are
single RS232 interface boards for the back-end of T-1 units.)  A lengthy
search among the allies of used equipment has yielded nothing.  If you can
help, let me know.  ALLeDuc.  LEDUCA@FIRNVX.
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:08:38 EST
From:         Shyamal Jajodia <SHYAM@MITVMC.BITNET>
Subject:      *UNIX Migration

Hi Janet,

  When we did an evaluation back in 1990, the following vendors
claimed to have Student Information Systems running on various
flavors of UNIX:

CARS Information Systems* - CARS UNIX (DEC, Encore, HP)
Computer Management Dynamics* - NCR UNIX, HPUX, IBM AIX
DATATEL* - ULTRIX

  *The vendor also provided some information on size of the company
data management software etc. Please call me for more info at
(617) 253-4136.

 Shyamal Jajodia (MIT)
From: TERRYJ@VTVM2.BITNET (Janet Terry)
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Date: 5 Nov 92 20:59:49 GMT
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At Virginia Tech we are researching our alternatives for moving from
the MVS mainframe environment into the Unix environment for our
administrative systems.

If anyone has any information on the following, please let me know.

1.   Any vendors who supply student information systems in the Unix
     environment?

2.   Any consultant groups which help organizations plan and implement
     a move in this direction?

3.   Any institutions which have moved to or have started moving their
     administrative systems from the mainframe environment to a
     Unix environment?

     If you have the contact information for a representative of the
     vendor, please include it in your response.


I appreciate your assistance.

Janet Terry
University Systems Analysis & Services
Virginia Tech
TERRYJ@VTVM2
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Date: 12 Nov 92 16:33:47 GMT
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Someone on the list asked for more information on LITLINK.  I tried to
reply to just that user, but for some reason the address wouldn't work.
So I am replying to the list instead.  LITLINK is simply a composite
username - a logical name that consists of the usernames of those on the
help desk.  We have a number of such usernames on our VAXcluster.
I have a composite REGISTRAR that students (and others) may mail questions
to.  It works well as long as the person who answers the question copies
the others, to avoid either duplicating answers or worse, conflicting
answers!  I'm on LITLINK for student records questions, we have other
experts for hardware, pc's, etc.

All (5000) students are given vax accounts so we do get considerable
volumes of e-mail.

Ann Liska, Lawrence Technological University
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From:         Jim Tefft <JWT4639@RITVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: NATURAL Information
              5 Nov 1992 13:43:28 EDT from <EARNIE@COMP1.CC.WM.EDU>

In reply to Earnie Dykes:

Rochester Institute of Technology has also seen the gains that other
people have mentioned in programmer productivity and systems build time.
Another Plus we have seen in rewriting of COBOL to NATURAL is a decrease
in elapse times of jobs running in batch. This has made our operations
people very happy. We have been a ADABAS NATURAL shop since 1981 and
have watched the products grow. For those who are not happy with Super
Natural you should have seen ADASCRIPT !!!!!!!! We are a IBM MVS/CICS
Shop.
                  Jim Tefft
                  Systems Manager for Financial and Human Resource Sys.
                  716-475-2816
                  JWT4639@RITVM
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:30:38 ADT
From:         Karen Wilder <karen.wilder@ACADIAU.CA>
Subject:      Re: Migration to Unix

> If anyone has any information on the following, please let me know.
>
> 1.   Any vendors who supply student information systems in the Unix
>      environment?

The Wyndgate Group supplies the EdenOA Campus Information system (which
includes student information, admissions, alumni, degree audit and
housing) which we are implementing in a Unix environment (it will also run
on several other platforms).

> 2.   Any consultant groups which help organizations plan and implement
>      a move in this direction?

Check with The Wyndgate Group - they may be willing to help.

> 3.   Any institutions which have moved to or have started moving their
>      administrative systems from the mainframe environment to a
>      Unix environment?

We are 85% complete in our move from a CDC mainframe to  Unix environment,
with the help and support of The Wyndgate Group.

>      If you have the contact information for a representative of the
>      vendor, please include it in your response.

Bill Collard, Sacremento (916) 638-3336.
                           ---------------------
Karen Wilder                           Phone: (902) 542-2201 Ext. 437
I S Manager, Computer Centre             Fax: (902) 542-4364
Acadia University                   Internet: Karen@admin.acadiau.ca
Wolfville, NS  B0P 1X0
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From:         S1MBM@ISUVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: HEROINES

Sorry, Meredith, I posted the Wharton and Chopin titles *just* before
reading your post recommending them!

Seriously now, do we really *need* these gendered terms?  Moreover, isn't
it more accurate to use the non-gendered "protagonist"?  How many of these
characters are actually "heroes" in any meaningful sense of the term?

your gadfly,

m mcdonald
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:56:03 EST
From:         Ken Koester <MAINT2@ERS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: long books

On Tue, 3 Nov 1992 16:13:35 EST Tim Johnson said:
>  Well....
>
>  Joining in the fray, I will agree with Ken on marking
>books.  I don't do it often, but wish I did it more often.
>There is a lot of difficulty in keeping a notebook of all
>the books you read - as I'll often carry my current book
>around and read at odd spare moments.  It is difficult
>to remember to keep a notebook and pen nearby.  However,
>I do like the idea.  Perhaps I'll start.  (I just feel
>like it will slow me down too much.  I like my novels to
>roll by like movies.  They feel more alive that way.  If
>I go too slow, marking the book, or putting notes in a
>notebook, my interest tends to wane.)
>
I will add this to the marginalia debate:  given access to a good, fast
hypertext system, I'd user that for any marginalia by preference; it would
accomplish more of what I want it to do.  But I wouldn't switch to it out of
some reverence for book-as-pristine-artifact.
>
>  Smell doesn't make much difference to me.  Old smelly musty
>books give me the feeling I'm uncovering some forgotten treasure.
>(Sometimes, as when I first read Jurgen, I am.)
>
Afraid it does to me--asthmatic, you know.
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