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From: lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu (lopresti robert)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: American Folklife Center: relatively good news
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:05:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Oct7.150507.16953
Organization: Western Washington University


As some of you may remember, the bill authorizing the Amercan 
sorry, American Folklife Center in the Library of Congress for the 
next five years was shot down in the HOuse.  The HOuse finally
passed a compromise bill authorizing the AFC for one year.  The
news is the Senate passed the same compromise yesterday so the
bill will go to G. BUsh, hopefully for signing.  SInce the
authorization is for one year, next AUtumn it all starts again...

Meanwhile, Joe Hickerson, superb folksinger and head of
acquisitions at AFC will be performing in Bellingham at the end of
this month.  I can't wait.

Rob
lopresti@henson.cc.wwu.edu
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From: des@helix.nih.gov (David E. Scheim)
Subject: Re: Altan, Advise Please
Organization: NIH
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:48:28 GMT

In article <pdlemass.719083462@unix2.tcd.ie> pdlemass@unix2.tcd.ie (Something original) writes:

>Could someone please tell me which Altan album I should buy 1st
>as I don't have enuogh money to buy them all at the moment and don't
>want to buy one that might deter me from buying more (if I don't like it)

>Thanks in advance ,
>                    Peter.

I have one album with a black cover that is basically untitled, which I'm 
told is their second album.  It is absolutely superb; great vocals and 
instrumentals.  The pieces they chose to do are beautiful and interesting.  
I rarely find an album where I like so many of the cuts.  I could go home 
and get some more specifics on the album, but someone on this board will 
probably know.

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From: leighann@alpine.sybase.com (Leigh Ann Hussey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Mutant Viola?
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:30:52 GMT
Organization: Sybase, Inc., Emeryville, CA

In article <14774@auspex-gw.auspex.com>, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep23.235809.4799@ttinews.tti.com> bsmart@bsmart.TTI.COM (Bob Smart) writes:
|> |How well-suited a viola is to fiddling is a matter of some debate and
|> |the subject of some rather cruel jokes 
|> 
|> While not quite "fiddling" I can think of a case of a viola player in
|> a non-standard (not classical) format.

I was a classically trained violist for about 20 years; late in the
game, I discovered traditional music and have been fiddling (in a mix of
Sligo-style Irish, Highland/Cape Breton, Blues, Cajun and Klezmer) on
and off ever since.  I entered a fiddling competition at a Tailltean
Games here in Calif., playing the viola.  I played all the tunes a fifth
low...  I sort of dropped it for a few years, then was induced to start
again, a violin was provided, and I warmed right up.  Nowadays I play an
electric Zeta MIDI "fiddle" -- it's neither violin nor viola but perhaps
a bit of both, as it has five strings (tuned, low to high, C G D A E).
Best of both worlds.  Took it to the Valley of the Moon Scottish Fiddle
Camp this year, and at a nice low volume everyone in the room was
looking around for the saxophone when I hit those low notes... heh heh.

I think the viola is entirely suitable for fiddling.  Just 'cause it's
bigger doesn't mean it can't be played as nimbly.  And the viola's dark
sonorities are more than appropriate for Celtic music.  Alastair Fraser,
Scottish Fiddle God, plays viola on several of his recordings...

Cheers,
	- Leigh Ann
From: ian@ossian.turing.ac.uk (Ian Watson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: ALTAN CONCERT
Keywords: ALTAN, IRISH MUSIC
Date: 14 Oct 92 08:58:06 GMT
Organization: The Turing Institute, Glasgow, Scotland.


		----------------
		ALTAN in CONCERT
		----------------

		----------------
		Glasgow
		Langside Halls
		Friday 23 October
		----------------

		Tickets	7 Pounds
		From The Ticket Centre, Candleriggs, Glasgow
		Credit Card Bookings Tel:  041 227 5511


	Altan, from Donegal and currently rated one of the best Irish 
	Bands around, are paying a welcome visit to Glasgow (the Capital of 					          Donegal ?!)  

	NOT TO BE MISSED

	The Concert is in aid of Pearse Park Redevelopment.
 
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From: m713@hosp.med.umich.edu
Subject: LOST WORLD STRING BAND; Where are they??????
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.14 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Reply-To: m713@hosp.med.umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan Math Dept
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:25:45 GMT


When I lived in Boston I saw a band called the Lost World String Band.
They were from Michigan. I live in Michigan now are they still
around?
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From: jcf@world.std.com (Joseph C Fineman)
Subject: Re: Sources for Bawdy Lyrics
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 03:55:37 GMT

n9040513@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Andrea Aldridge) writes:

>If anyone is looking for such things for amusement's sake, as I did, you might
>also check used bookstores for _The Erotic Muse_, edited by Ed Cray, in a 
>demure plain red cover.  It was also reprinted in a lurid photojacket with Jane
My copy is white (Oak, 1969).  Here are some more:

_A Book of Vulgar Verse_, by "A Gentleman about Town" (Checkerbooks, 1981).
Mostly 19th-century.

_The Dirty Song Book_, by Jerry Silverman (Stein & Day, 1982).  A wide
selection, including some in French, Spanish, and Lallans.  Music & chords.

_Bawdy Songs and Backroom Ballads_, by Oscar Brand (Grove, 1960).  The songs
on his records.  Rather cleaned up.

_Songs of Raunch and Ill-Repute_, anon. (privately printed at Caltech, 1958).
Words of most of the U.S. classics.

Joe Fineman, jcf@world.std.com
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From: pointer@m.cs.uiuc.edu (David Pointer)
Subject: Re: Leo Kottke
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:09:34 GMT

mhessman@world.std.com (Mark D Hessman) writes:

>Does anybody have recommendations
>about what I should pick up next? What do you folks consider his best
>album(s)?

_Ice Water_ from the early 70s. Has "Morning is the Long Way Home" and
"Pamela Brown", amoung others.

This may be diffcult for you to find. My copy was on reel-to-reel, and
well, suffice it to say that I haven't heard _Ice Water_ in too long.
I've not been able to locate a cassette or re-mastered CD.

*dave
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Subject: Re: Robert Johnson - "President McKinley"
From: johnnie@mtcons.almanac.bc.ca (John Wilkinson)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 00:38:50 PDT
Organization: MT Construction, Nanaimo, B.C.

bosak@netcom.com (Jon Bosak) writes:


>   Hey, Mister McKinley
>   Why didn't you run
>   When you see that man a-coming
>   With a Johnson forty-one
>           (alternatively: With that Ivor Johnson gun*)
> 
>     From Buffalo...
>     To Washington
> 
>   Doctor comes a-runnin'
>   Takes off his specs
>   Says, "Mister McKinley
>   You done cashed your checks"
> 
>     From Buffalo...
>     To Washington
> 
> Perhaps someone can post the whole song; it's been a long time since I
> heard it.  I seem to remember that the Carter Family did one version.  I
> have never heard of a blues version of the song; does anyone know more
> about the "McKinley" mentioned in the Robert Johnson notes?
   From The Folksingers Wordbook

   McKinley hollered, McKinley squalled,
   The Doc said, McKinley, I can't find the cause.
   You're bound to die-bound to die

   Oh it's look here you rascal see what you done
   You shot my husban and I got your gun
   I'm takin' you back to Washington

   Oh the doc came a-running took off his specs
   Said Mr. McKinley better cash in your checks
   You're bound to die, bound to die.

   Oh Roosevelt in the White House doin' his best
   McKinley in the graveyard takin' a rest
   He's gone, long gone

   The engine she whistled all down the line
   Blowin' at every station "McKinley is dyin'"
   From Buffalo to Washington

   Roosevelt in the White House, drinkin' out a silver cup,
   McKinley in the graveyard, he'll never wake up
   He's gone a long, old time.

I also have a song of the same name in another book. The notes say
it was derived from this song but has lyrics about Hoover. It also
says the melody is recycled and has been used in such songs as
"The Battleship of Maine" and "Crazy War"

..John Wilkinson
From: ez006050@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Joan Baez - Play Me Backwards
Date: 10 Oct 92 03:41:39 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis
Originator: ez006050@chip.ucdavis.edu


        The new Joan Baez CD "Play Me Backwards" was released on Tuesday.
It's quite good.  Yes I know it's been a while.  In fact I think that Gracias
a la Vida! (1974) was the last LP I enjoyed all the way through.  The Gold
Castle albums had a few good songs but were spotty and not very coherent.
This album seems like quite a comeback to me.

        About half the album is co-written by Baez, the other half by other
writers.  None of the non-Baez songs are out of place (as was George Michael's
song on her "Speaking of Dreams.")  They were written by Janis Ian, Mary-
Chapin Carpenter, Ron Davies, John Stewart, and John Hiatt.  The Baez
compositions were all co-written with various people including Ron Davies,
Wally Wilson, Kenny Greenberg, Karen O'Conner, and Pat Bunch.  I'm not sure
if it's her or the Co-writers but the Baez compositions are most of the high
points of the CD.  Especially nice are Play Me Backwards, Isaac and Abraham
(based on the melody of "House Carpenter"), and The Dream Song.

	The performances are some of the loosest and more natural sounding
of Baez's career.  Her time with the Indigo Girls seemed to leave a mark in
the performance of John Hiatt's Through Your Hand.  Sounds very Sailers-like
to me.  The music is good, mostly acoustic.  The production value is also
unusually high for a Baez album.  This is her first for Virgin Records and 
it seems like a good omen for her.

	If you like Baez this album is a must.  Easily the best since the mid-
sixties.  Even if you're not a big Baez fan I think this is an album you will
listen to again and again if folk-country pop is your cup of tea....

	Highly recommended.

						Wade Greiner
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From: dhw@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us (David West)
Subject: Re: LOST WORLD STRING BAND; Where are they??????
Organization: Plex-1, Michigan's Public Access Usenet Gateway  (Ann Arbor).
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:37:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.202545.19968@lsa.umich.edu> m713@hosp.med.umich.edu writes:
>When I lived in Boston I saw a band called the Lost World String Band.
>They were from Michigan. I live in Michigan now are they still around?

They exist as a band only at infrequent reunions.  Stan Werbin is still in
Lansing running Elderly Instruments, Frank Youngman moved North, Paul
Winder is in Ann Arbor, and I don't know where Gerald Ross is (he used to
be in Ann Arbor).  Marriage, childrearing and divorce have exacted their
usual toll on most of them.

-- 
-David West            dhw@plex-1.ann-arbor.mi.us

"Ce n'e'tait pas un empire comme il faut, mais nous nous sommes diablement
bien amuse's."  -Col. Fleury, aide-de-camp of Napoleon III
From: eamon@netcom.com (Charles E Taggart)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: klezmer
Summary: A suggestion ...
Keywords: klezmer band recommendation
Date: 16 Oct 92 23:23:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct16.192127.6204@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> lfiddick@nyx.cs.du.edu 
(larry fiddick) writes:

>could someone help me out, i've been wanting to buy some klezmer music,
>but so many klezmer bands have such cutesy names that i don't really take
>them seriously. i fear that they're trying to pull off some half baked
>fusion like later 3 mustaphas 3 releases. can anyone suggest some good
>titles. now i'm not against nontraditionalists (lest you got that
>impression from what i wrote above); it's just if they are going to
>stretch the boundaries the results should have some aesthetic merit other
>than innovation.

May I suggest a klezmer "supergroup" called Brave Old World?  Lead singer
& songwriter Michael Alpert was with Kapelye, I believe, and writes songs
in Yiddish that are both very true to the tradition but also address
modern times (like the brilliant song "Chernobyl").

The playing is also top notch, from veteran musicians Joel Rubin, Stuart
Brotman and ... damn, I forgot the other member's name.  Sorry guys!

Their debut album is called simply KLEZMER MUSIC and is available on Flying
Fish Records.

Chuck
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From: BACS Data Communications Group <commgrp@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Lyric request: Code of the West
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 23:03:58 GMT

Looking for lyrics of "The Code of the West," (I think) sung by Roger 
Miller and popular in mid '60s.  It was the theme from a surrealistic 
western movie, _Waterhole Number 3_.  The refrain is:

   The code of the West is do unto others,
   Do unto others before they do it to you.


Thanks in advance!

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 10:13:50 -0400 
From: Eli Brian Goldberg <eg1n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: New Leslie Fish Kipling Album?

The album, Neolithic Age, was recorded over a year ago; the recording session
was the same as Oathbreakers.

They're still mixing it.

Go figure.
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From: mhessman@world.std.com (Mark D Hessman)
Subject: Re: klezmer
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 23:32:36 GMT

One great klezmer band, very traditional but not constrained, is the
Klezmer Conservatory Band, from here in the Boston area. Three albums
that I can recall, but I come by my recommendation from having seen
them live. Eight (or more) people up on stage having just as much fun
as the audience, a stellar clarinetist, and the leader (Hankus Netsky)
completely -- and I mean completely -- wrapped up in the music convinced
me. If they can reproduce even half of that warmth on record, I'd say
they're what you're looking for.

The more experimental side of things here is represented by Hypnotic Clambake,
a band which adds rock, cajun music, bluegrass and more to the mix. Not
quite a klezmer experience, but an experience nonetheless.

                                                            -- Mark
 

Xref: sparky rec.music.folk:6926 rec.music.misc:25241
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: Holy Rood was: Re: Steeleye Span Song
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:33:47 GMT
	<thurlow.717103301@convex.convex.com> <1093@tdat.teradata.COM>
	<1992Sep22.215729.12043@pony.Ingres.COM> <24155@sybase.sybase.com>
	<ld9b19INNt8d@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <1992Oct8.223532.9542@pony.Ingre
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <BETSYS.92Oct13005650@ra.cs.umb.edu> betsys@cs.umb.edu (Elizabeth Schwartz) writes:

     How, pray tell, did the Scottish king recognize a piece of the True
   Cross when he came across it on a deer's antler?

Kings just *knew* that sort of thing, they were infallible.  After all, they
got to be King because God gave them the power to rule, so you'd expect them
to have privileged knowledge of Godly things.  :-)
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: another odd word
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:40:48 GMT

cst@bork.nist.gov (Charles S. Tarrio):
>Since we're increasing our vocabularies, I thought I'd ask about the
>Silly Sisters song, "Doffin' Mistress".  I've looked up doff in a few
>dictionaries, and all I've found is the current meaning, to err. 

The standard and current meaning of 'doff' is to take off -- usually
but not always applied to clothing -- and the term 'doffer' derives
from this.  To quote from the OED, "Doffers, boys or girls from 12 to
15 years...employed to take off the full bobbins and to replace them
on the throstle or ring frames by empty ones."  Low-status, low-pay,
accident-prone sweat-shop labor.

-----
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dani@netcom.com

   The inability of snakes to count is actually a refusal, on their part,
    to appreciate the Cardinal Number system. -- "Actual Facts"

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From: jonb@Ingres.COM (Jon Berger)
Subject: Re: Silver Dagger....
Reply-To: jonb@ingres.com
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:19:54 GMT

In article <9636@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, sfee@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Sandie Fee) writes:
>Greetings all,
>
>I was wondering is anyone out there remembers a song called Silver Dagger. I
>think it was by Joan Baez but I'm not sure. I would like to get the words and
>guitar chords if anyone knows them.

Ah yes, the classic dysfunctional-family song; a perfect illustration
of the "traditional family values" our VP so loves to prattle on about.
Here's an attempt from memory; someone with an actual songbook may be
more accurate:

     G          D                          G
    Don't sing love songs; you'll wake my mother.
                D                  Em 
    She's lying here, right by my side.
                C                    D
    And in her right hand, a silver dagger.
         G          C                D
    She swears that I won't be your bride.

    My daddy is a handsome devil,
    He's got a chain five miles long,
    And on ev'ry link, a heart does dangle
    Of another maid he's loved and wronged.

    All men are false, says my mother,
    They'll tell you wicked loving lies.
    The very next day, they'll court another,
    Leave you alone to pine and sigh.

    Go court some other tender maiden,
    And promise her she'll be your wife,
    For I've been warned, and I've decided
    To stay a maiden all of my life.

    (Repeat first verse, I think)

Chords derived by playing air guitar, humming, and typing at the same
time, to the immense amusement of the occupants of surrounding cubicles.
There are doubtless better ones.

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From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Subject: Re: Mutant Viola?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:08:21 GMT

So....

Any news on the Frankenfiddle yet? We're all waiting in 
suspense   9-)




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From: sfee@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Sandie Fee)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Silver Dagger....
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:05:02 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

Greetings all,

I was wondering is anyone out there remembers a song called Silver Dagger. I
think it was by Joan Baez but I'm not sure. I would like to get the words and
guitar chords if anyone knows them.

fax # (404)623-7136

Any help on where I can get it would be greatly appreciated....

Thanks for listen.....Sandie
From: mem@mv.mv.com (Mark E. Mallett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: another odd word
Date: 14 Oct 92 04:53:48 GMT
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.

In article <1bf5mkINNbcd@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> indigo@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Adam Schneider) writes:
>What a weird coincidence...the San Jose Mercury News crossword
>puzzle had "doff" as the answer to "Remove one's hat" just 
>yesterday, shortly after I read about it on here.

Here's a really odd coincidence:  I ran across the word "tergiversation"
in two different publications (one recent, one not) within a week's span.

I can't use it in a song, though.  :-)

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From: gerry@keele.ac.uk (G.D.Pratt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.folk
Subject: Re: Ian Matthews - career summary + Jackson C. Frank
Date: 8 Oct 92 11:31:16 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England
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Colm Mulcahy (colm@mathcs.emory.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Oct6.1568.6443@channel1> "eliot gelwan" <eliot.gelwan@channel1.com> writes:
: 
: Ian MacDonald's pre-Faiport recording career consists of one single with
: Pyramid.  By late summer 1967 he became Fairport's second vocalist, alongside
: Judy Dyble.  Shortly after Judy was replaced by Sandy Denny in May 1968, Ian
: switched his last name to Matthews, their being an Ian McDonald in Traffic at
: the time.  Early in 1969, Ian left Fairport.
: 
Ian can be heard singing with Sandy Denny on a 1968 BBC cut of Jackson C.
Franks' song "You never wanted me" on Denny's "Who knows where the time goes".
set. This is a lovely song/performance with some great understated percussion.

Talking of Jackson C. Frank :-) whatever happened to him. I read somewhere 
he got injured in a fire. I've been trying to buy his 1966 Album, just called
Jackson C. Frank, which is _supposed_ to be worth 15 UK pounds ($25). I
recently saw this advertised for 150 UK pounds ($250)!! as mega-rare. What 
gives? Has it come out on CD? If not why not. Jackson C. Frank sounds like 
an interesting sort of person.
gerry
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