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From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)
Subject: Re: More Arena Stuff/CALGARY
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 12:10:39 GMT
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In <1993Jan25.154917.3098@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:

> In article <1993Jan18.194247.29548@abo.fi>, MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:
> > Tack f|r det mina herrar! 
> 
> huh? :-)

"Thank you, gentlemen." You too, Alan:-)
 
> > Now on to something else. How many seats would the
> > NHL teams lose if the rinks were to be widened from the North American
> > standard of 26 meters (or 85 feet for those of you that are still living in the
> > 19th century:-) to 30 meters/100ft?! Does any of you Flames fans remember what
> > was the seating capacity for the Saddledome during the 1988 Olympics? 18,000? 
> 
> I beleive that using the larger ice surface costs the 'Dome the first five rows
> of seats from the ice. That is about 2,000 seats if I remember correctly, so
> capacity would be around 18,000 seats, yes.
> 
> Do any other NHL rinks have the ability to expand to the international size
> ice surface or is the Saddledome unique in that respect? 
> 
> The NHL will never change to the international surface though. The Flames can
> charge about $40 a ticket for those front row seats. Losing 2000 of them means
> losing over $80,000 in ticket revenue per game, or over $3.5 million Cdn per
> year not counting playoffs. (When prices go up)

Just like I thought, unfortunately. There doesn't appear to be much space down
on the ice these days. Players are bigger, stronger and faster than they were
in the 1940s and 1950s. And introducing 5-on-5 hockey is too drastic
, the International Ice Hockey Federation would not like it if the NHL
chooses to remove one skater from the game as this would make European & North
American hockey more different from each other than they are today..
 
> 								Alan
> 

MARCU$
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From: shayne@cs.mcgill.ca (Lydia Mancini)
Subject: Re: Habs fans vs Leafs fans
Keywords: Andria Hunter women's hockey Switzerland
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:42:30 GMT

In article <C1Du4q.DFp@news.ucs.mun.ca> rhillier@random.ucs.mun.ca 
(Rex Hillier) writes:
> Is it true that Habs fans are nothing but good time Charlies.  When their 
> team is winning they are the nicest people but now that THey have been creamed 
> twice this year by the Leafs you can't deal with them at all.  

Really? Have you polled every single Habs fan in the world to find out this
interesting piece of statistic?
I can't speak for everyone but I don't see myself as a "good time Charlie".

> A Leaf fan however is always a Leaf fan. Imagine the few Habs fans that 
> would be around if they had ad experienced  that past 25 years that we Leafs
> fans have.  

And imagine the fewer Penguins, Oilers, Islanders fans out there if these
teams weren't as successful as they were.

> A Habs fan would be an Endangered species.  Unfortunately I do 
> have some freinds who are Habs fans.  They are the classic Habs YOu know 
> they won't talk to me for another two weeks.  

Most of the Habs fans I know aren't like that. Of course, people like that
can be found anywhere.

This is the second time in a short while that I've seen this from a Leafs
fan after a Toronto win over Montreal.  Does it bother you that much that
the Habs have won more games than Toronto over the last 25 years?

> Are there any suggestions as to how I should deal with them?

Perhaps you should figure the real reason why they don't talk to you.
It may have nothing to do with hockey at all.

>Felix Potvin for Prime Minister/ Patrick Roy to Fredricton??

Ya, then we could showcase our real good goalie - Andre Racicot :-)

>
>Rex


-- Lydia

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From: wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson)
Subject: More descriptive boxscores
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:59:04 GMT

Wouldn't it be nice if box scores were more descriptive. For example (totally
made up example, including the numbers - spaced for easy reading):

STL - 1 1 0 - 2
TB    2 0 2 - 4

1 - TB  Bradley 30       (Bureau 9, Hamrlik 6)     14:20 (5v5)
    STL Hull    25 (9pp) (Janney 35)               16:44 (4v3)
    TB  Kasper   7 (2sh)                           17:00 (4v5)

2 - STL Hull    26       (Janney 36, Butcher 8)     6:06 (4v4)

3 - TB  Kontos  19 (6pp) (Bradley 26, Jablonski 3)  5:08 (5v4 major)
    TB  Bureau   7 (1en) (Bradley 27, Kasper 8)    19:52 (5v6? en)

<other stats would follow>

Granted, it wouldn't be necessary to list the major on the last one if
penalties are included in the box scores (but they never are down here).

It really wouldn't be necessary to work so hard to track stats since they're
included in the box scores (of course there would still be errors and changes).

I think it would be really informative. I never understood why a player's
goal total is listed by not his assist total. It would be nice to see the
stats for all players following the box scores, like baseball and basketball,
(perhaps that's done up north...?) as well as other stuff like total power-play
time.

Tom
From: sw@mdavcr.mda.ca (Scott Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Wings News
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:57:28 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <930120081930@sglenn.ct.gmr.com> sglenn@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>The Wings tied the Rangers last night, 2-2, to push their unbeaten      
>streak to 4 games (3-0-1).  
>
>Jimmy Carson opened the scoring midway through the first, after a 
>nice pass from Dallas Drake.

OK, I just have to ask a question of you Detroit folks about this Drake fellow.
Every time his name is mentioned around here (Vancouver) they say he is
from Castlegar, BC. Well that's my hometown and I've never heard of him,
and there are only about 7000 people that live there. Does anyone know
anything about his background? 

scott

-- 
scott wood   sw@mda.ca  | "... the uncontrolled growth of technology destroys
MacDonald Dettwiler     |  the vital sources of our humanity."
Richmond BC Canada      | Neil Postman - Technopoly
From: smith@phobos.cira.colostate.edu
Subject: Re: more goalie questions
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:56:28 GMT
Reply-To: smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State Univ, CIRA

In article <1993Jan25.150244.3093@mtroyal.ab.ca>, caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>In article <Jan18.005815.23772@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, smith@phobos.cira.colostate.edu writes:
 

>Plante was hit flush in the face with
>a slapshot off the stick of Andy Bathgate of the Rangers.

 
Did Bathgate have much of a career? Or is he like the pitcher who delivered
714 to Hank Aaron, only remembered for being at the right place at the right
time?


Smitty
smith%phobos.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu




								
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From: djohnson@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (David Johnson)
Subject: Re: Toronto wins the Cup (Why not?)
Keywords: Leafs Toronto Cup
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:34:02 GMT

In article <C1FCLr.8FE@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> ayim@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Alfred Yim) writes:
>Okay, I gotta tell ya,
>
>Yesterday I was listening to my favourite sports
>radio the FAN 1430 in Toronto and my favourite
>opinionated, pro-leaf broadcaster Storm'in Norman
>brought up the question of who would take the Cup
>this year.
>As usual it was the same "...if Mario returuns..."
>(and I personally hopes he gets better soon)
>idea. But... let's face it, no matter what the doctors
>may say he probably won't, and even if he does
>he's not gonna be 100%.
>
>So, the question remains....
>well, what about the Leafs!!!!!! Yes! You heard me
>the Leaf's!!!! I would like my fellow netter's
>opinions on this on reasons why or why not the Leafs
>won't take the cup. 
>
>Here are my reason's why...
>
>1. Gilmour Borchevsky Cullun Power play...
>   (actually 3 reasons)
>2. Best goaltending in the league. (if Grant is injured
>   there's always Potvin)
>3. They are presently over 25 points the same time
>   last year.
>4. Pat Burns is a proven coach
>5. They beat Montreal 2...2...2 times!!!
>   (please no flame from Hab fans)
Awesome eh!!

>6. Best fans in the league. (cheap but gets the 
>   applause.)
>
> ---anymore I missed?--
>
>-- 
>****************************************** 
>*  Alfred (Yong-Jeh) Yim                 * 
>*  4B Mathematics (Act. Sci.)            *
>*  University of Waterloo                *
>*  E-mail: ayim@descartes.waterloo.edu   *
>******************************************

Reason why Leafs could win the Cup 
a)Grant Fuhr.  Goaltending can take a team a long way in the playoffs.
b)Grant Fuhr may be traded which we will get a front line winger (and possibly
  a good defenceman) and still have Potvin in net.
c)If they play in the playoffs like they have in the past 10-12 games.

Reason why Leafs won't win the CUP.

a)They may play like they did in November and early December.
b)They may have to play Chicago in the playoffs.  They can't seem to beat
  Chicago, especially in Chicago.

--David Johnson
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From: gballent@champlain.UVic.CA (Greg  Ballentine)
Subject: Re: hall of fame
Followup-To: hall  of fame
Keywords: hall of fame, Langway, Savard, Stastny
Reply-To: gballent@champlain.UVic.CA
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:32:18 GMT

Some of my players posted as hall of famers based on their achievements to date have
been questioned by some people, so it is time to defend these superstars.

1. Rod Langway- The question surrounding Langway (according to Chris Roney) is why 
is he a hall of famer when Kevin Lowe is not?  While both of them were very
talented respected defenceman for long periods of time, the basic difference is
Langway is a two-time Norris trophy winner with three post-season All Star
nominations, when Lowe has ZERO of either of these awards.  This shows that Langway
dominated the NHL for a period of time, when Lowe didn't.  While Langway was a 
finalist for the Norris trophy three times (he won it twice), Lowe was NEVER nominated.
Since Langway had seasons where he truly dominated the NHL and Lowe did not (granted
he had several good ones, but none that can be considered truly great), Langway should
be a hall of famer, while Lowe should not (unless he continues to have All Star level
seasons- which is IMO unlikely).

2. Denis Savard- The 17th all time point scorer at the start of the 92-93 season.  He
has a similar career point total to hall of famers such as Bobby Hull, Darryl Sittler
and Mike Bossy.  Nuff said.

3. Peter Stastny- 15th all time point scorer, even better credentials than Savard.

IMHO any player in the top twenty or so point scorers of all time is a hall of famer,
unless they have incredible circomstances occur- ie they play horrible defensively or
played hockey forever, and despite high career totals, have a point point per game
rate.  Neither Savard or Stastny have these problems, so they should definitely be
iducted to the hall.
I think the prejudice against Langway, Savard and Stastny is that none of them were
instrumental in Stanley Cup victories- Langway did win a cup in 1979 with Montreal
in his rookie year but he was a spare part defenceman who only played in eight
playoff games with limited ice time.  A Stanley Cup is definitely NOT a prerequisite 
for the Hall of Fame- especially in a rapidly expanding 20+ team league.  These a great
players who, because of bad luck, never played on great teams and thus never recieved
the great publicity that most Hall of Famers recieve (and deserve).
It is a shame that this prejudice exists.

Gregmeister
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Stan Fishler, 1/22
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: The Bates Motel
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:22:17 GMT


From the Devils Pregame show prior to their game against Les Habs:

* The Bruins are looking for solid defencemen, and Jamie Macoun of
the Leafs has caught their eye.

* Bruins Assistant GM Mike Milbury is among a growing constituency
leaning towards total free agency.

* Eddie Johnston was in Miami to talk about their GM job; Mike
Keenan's candidacy is fading fast.

* Brian Murray has admitted to having daily talks with Glen Sather.
The one player that has been agreed to is Keith Primeau, and Keith
has told a friend (who knows Stan (-;) that his days are numbered.

gld
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> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.EDU 		Carnaval de Quebec (City)
> gld@cunixc.BITNET			February 4 - 14
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From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot)
Subject: Re: Latest rumor...
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:29:17 CST

Joseph R Mcdonald (jrmst8+@pitt.edu) wrote:
: A friend of mine who works down the arena provided me with the latest
: hot rumor:

: The Pens are working on a deal with Quebec that would send Bob Errey
: and Jim Paek or Paul Stanton to Quebec for Steve Duchesne.

: Quebec is looking to lower the goals against and we've all seen the rumors
: about the Pens wanting another offenseive defenseman for the point.

: Anyway, my friend tells me to look for Duchesne to be in black and gold
: by the all-star break.

: Dean 

Come on Dino, you've got to be kidding!

: -- 
: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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: (using jrmst8 by permission                             "We kill daemons" 
:  of the owner, Joe McDonald)   

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From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: HOCKEY SIM 2 info wanted!
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:18:42 GMT

Can I get someone's opinion on the new HOCKEY LEAGUE SIMULATOR 2?  I
saw it for the first time in a store the other day, and I was 
wondering how acurately it simulates the actual managing of a team.
 
I was once tempted to pick up the first edition but somebody warned me 
that the computer opponent is often daft and easy to take advantage 
of.
 
Does this new edition offer a greater challeng -- reviews are 
welcomed!
 
Stephen Legge
SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca

Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: smith@phobos.cira.colostate.edu
Subject: Nicholls play with NJ?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:45:20 GMT
Reply-To: smith%sol.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu
Organization: Colorado State Univ, CIRA

Devils fans:
How is Bernie Nicholls been playing so far?
I have yet to see him notch a single point in the boxes.

Who are his linemates?

Smitty
smith%phobos.dnet@sirius.cira.colostate.edu
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From: cpw2@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Ted Martin Cpw2 Rick Martin)
Subject: Re: Old goalies
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:51:08 GMT

In article <234.326.uupcb@nitelog.com> james.cromarty@nitelog.com (James Cromarty) writes:
>.CC> My guess is "Turk" Broda of the Toronto Maple Leafs, who played well in.
>.CC> forties. He won a few Cups there while he was over 40 for sure.        .
>.............................................................................
>
>Don't forget Johnny Bower also of the Maple Leaf's. He was old when
>he first started in the NHL.
>---
> . MegaMail 2.10 #0:"Its a great day for hockey." Badger Bob Johnson
>                                                                                                           
Turk Broda played until he was 37. Johnny Bower played until he was 45.
Other goaltenders who played past their fortieth birthdays include
Jacques Plante, who was 46 when he finished the 1974-75 season with the
     Edmonton Oilers.
Lorne "Gump" Worsley, who was just short of 45 when the 1973-74 season
     ended.
Hugh Lehman, who turned 42 in October of his final year (1927-28)
Eddie Johnston, who turned 42 in November of his last year (1977-78)
George Hainsworth, who was 41 when he retired during the 1936-37 season
Marcel Paille, who turned 40 at mid-season of 1972-73, during which he
     backed-up Bernie Parent for the Philadelphia Blazers.
Tony Esposito, who turned 41 at the end of the 1983-84 season.

P.S. Bower played one game during the 1969-70 season (at age 45) and
     Broda played one game during the 1951-52 season (at age 37).
P.P.S. Contrary to popular opinion, Jacques Plante did not invent or
     even first come up with the idea of a goaltender's face mask--a
     goalie for the Montreal Maroons had creaed one years earlier.
     Does anyone remember his name?

-- Ted Martin (cpw2@watarts.uwaterloo.ca)


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From: cpw2@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Ted Martin Cpw2 Rick Martin)
Subject: First goalie mask
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:17:35 GMT


Someone(s) on the net is/are still perpetrating the myth that Jacques
Plante was the first goalie to wear a mask. As I indicated in two
previous postings, this is NOT true.

Clint Benedict, who tended goal for the Ottawa Senators from 1917-18
to 1923-24 and for the Montreal Maroons from 1924-25 to 1929-30, wore
a mask during the 1929-30 season after Howie Morenz broke his nose
with a shot. Unfortunately, that was Bendict's last season in the NHL
and no one followed his practice. Benedict retired before the advent
of the all-star team or he surely would have been included--five times
he lead the league in GA average (including four in a row).

Jacques Plante was an innovative enough goalie that you don't have to
invent inventions for him--I mean, how many other goalies knit their
own underwear?

--Ted Martin.
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From: ummak027@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Anson Sen Sau Mak)
Subject: Re: NHL NEWS FOR 23 JANUARY 1993 (long)
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: World
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:18:24 GMT

Hi,

Just wondering, what's happening with Bernie Nicholls' family? Is that
something happen with his son?

Thanks

Anson
From: LMARSHA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Laurie Marshall)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Bryan Murray's 10 game suspension removed!
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:57:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: cms.16B63C45D.LMARSHA
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.


 
 Bryan Murray's 10 game suspension was removed yesterday and he was behind
 the Red Wings' bench for the 9-1 victory over the Flames.
 
 He received a 5 game suspension during Saturday's game against the
 Blues when Jim Cummins came out of the penality box to help Probert during
 a fight.  Murray then received an additional 5 game suspension because it
 was the second time this has happened without the last 3 years.
 
 According to the rule books, a coach is suppose to control his players
 from leaving the penality box before his penality is complete.  If he
 fails to do so the coach receives a 5 game suspension.
 
 Bryan Murray's agrument is that a coach has no way of controlling a player
 who is sitting in the penality box across the ice from the bench.
 Officals voted yesterday around 7:00 p.m. on whether or not to remove this
 rule from the books. The vote was unanimous in favor of removing the rule.
 Bryan Murray was then able to resume his position as coach for last night's
 game.  He still, however, is required to pay a fine amounting to his
 pay for 10 games.
 
 
 
 Laurie Marshall
 Application Programmer/Analyst
 Wayne State University
 Detroit, Michigan
 Go Wings!!!!!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
From: darryl@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Darryl Chartrand)
Subject: Re: Wendel Clark
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:17:38 GMT

In article <23JAN199318003637@trentu.ca> nritchie@trentu.ca (Nicole A. Ritchie) writes:
>I just starting to send this posting but the computer I was working on went 
>nutso on me so I'll start over again.
>
>Someone asked in the last couple of days about the status of Wendel Clark.
>I read in the paper (the Toronto Sun) the day after he got hurt that he 
>would be gon for somewhere in the area of a week and a half, about the same
>length of time that Grant Fuhr is out.  I think he bruised his rib cage or
>something to that effect.
>
>Just out of curiosity, what does anyone and everyone think about Clark's 
>playing ability.  My boyfriend thinks he's a bum and we should trade him
>while we can but I tend to disagree.  I think he does sometimes take 
>stupid penalties but then who doesn't.  Anyone want to take my side on the 
>matter because I can't find anyone else around here who thinks he a good 
>player and I'd like to know if anyone in this world actually likes him as a 
>player besides me.
>
>							Nicole

IMO, I think that he is overrated but he does have his good points.  I think his
main plus is that he has a tendency to rub off on his teammates by his aggressive
style of play.  Lately, though, his offensive production has fallen way off and I
think he continues to be a huge enigma for the Leafs.  I can't say right off but I
am sure that he is a minus player as well.  I used to be a Clark fan but lately
when someone derides him, I no longer take his side.  

darryl
From: bspencer@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian SPENCER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Habs trend
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:45:27 GMT
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada

I have noticed a trend in the '92-'93 season for the Montreal Canadiens.
Whenever Brian Skrudland is injured, the team plays well. In October and
November, while he was injured, the Habs were hot. As soon as he
returned to the lineup, they started playing .500 hockey. Now that he is
reinjured, the Canadiens are on another mini hot streak.

Just an observation,

Brian "not-the dead-guy" Spencer
From: v050lt62@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (SAINT)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Manon Rheaume
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:26:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	Has any one heard of any news on this female hockey phenom? I'd like to
hear an update, as I have not heard of any recent news on her play, or lack
there of. Any answers will be appreciated. 
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From: elmo@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Jaime Gutierrez)
Subject: Re: Hawks News 1-24
Summary: Pipe down...
 
 
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:12:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.030142.5105@news.acns.nwu.edu> scholvin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Scholvin) writes:
>
>Sanderson broke up Belfour's shutout bid at 4:29 in the third. It
>would have been his sixth, I think. How can one guy be that
>lucky? 

I'll tell you.  It isn't luck.  It would be healthy for you to pick a team
to cheer FOR.  You can relax and live longer, cut down on your antacid
expenses.

You must be really popular living in the Chicago area with that wonderful 
attitude...