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From: barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett)
Newsgroups: alt.divination,alt.magick,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Tarot Spreads
Date: 12 Nov 92 14:15:29 GMT
	<4k33TB1w165w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us>
Reply-To: barnett@crdgw1.ge.com
Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY

In article <4k33TB1w165w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us> beth@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (elisabeth b. shaw) writes:
>   I'd be interested in what you have, too. :)  I've had friends tell me
>   I should set up a 900 number.  Do you know how much those things cost?
>   I'm sure they're expensive.  I'll check out the books you mentioned.
 
For a lot of information that every professional psychic/reader should
know, send mail to
	Marc Sky
	151 Jeremy Court
	Edison, NJ 08817

He carries the books I mentioned, plus sells the books on 900 lines,
mail oerder business, promoting yourself, cold reading, etc.
--
Bruce Barnett <barnett@crd.ge.com> uunet!crdgw1!barnett
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: Just Found this Group
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:26:59 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1dm623INNng8@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> sjgavula@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu (Susan Gavula) writes:
>
>Hello,
>The Mary Hanson-Roberts Deck and The Robin Wood Deck are the 
>ones that I use the most.  I also have the Arthurian Tarot,
>and the Merlin Tarot as well.  My question to you all is:
>What is your favorite deck and, Which layout do you use?

I use the Merlin deck for all my readings.  My normal spread is the
"three rays", while I'll sometimes use "the spindle".  Both as
described in the Merlin book.  I know a bit about Celtic Cross, but I
find that while it is good for general future-predicting, it is less
useful for answering direct questions.
-- 
  |)  David Charlap          | .signature confiscated by FBI due to
 /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu | an ongoing investigation into the
((|,)                        | source of these .signature virusses
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Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: Just Found this Group
From: emiddlec@mora.gac.edu (Eric Middlecamp)
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:24:35 -0600

In article <1992Nov11.194704.10856@bcars6a8.bnr.ca>  writes:
>In article <1dm623INNng8@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>,
>sjgavula@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu (Susan Gavula) writes:
>|>
>|>The Mary Hanson-Roberts Deck and The Robin Wood Deck are the 
>|>ones that I use the most.  I also have the Arthurian Tarot,
>|>and the Merlin Tarot as well.  My question to you all is:
>|>What is your favorite deck and, Which layout do you use?
>|>
>
>What a coincidence!! I too use both the Hanson_Roberts and the Robin Wood.
>I gravitate more to the second deck as it seems to be more 'serious'. The
>Hanson-Roberts deck is very cheerful which is sometimes a distraction.
>
>I use a modified Celtic Cross as well as a 7-card 'Yes/No' spread.
>I tried others but always come back to these two.

I, not having done this much, bought the first version I chanced across: the
Raider-Whaite deck. (I believe that's it.) Any opinions?
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From: HCM100@psuvm.psu.edu (Sleight of Hans)
Newsgroups: alt.divination,alt.magick,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Tarot Spreads
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:59:11 GMT
 <1992Nov11.143638.19717@eng.cam.ac.uk>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Nov11.143638.19717@eng.cam.ac.uk>, kap@eng.cam.ac.uk (Kevin A.
Price) says:
>
>sjgavula@css.itd.umich.edu (Susan Gavula) writes:
>
>
>>I have a file of different spreads that folks have used to
>>read tarot.  If there is enough interest I will repost the file.
>>If you want to submit a spread that works for you just email it
>>and I will include it in my file.
>
>>Susan
>
>Howabout if you were to post what you already have then posters
>would be able to just send what you haven't already got?
>
>Cheers.
>
>Kev :)
>e-mail kap@eng.cam.ac.uk

Somehow this got into alt.magic (the card trick news group).  Now I've
done shows before where I use a Trot deck instead of a regular deck, but
I still think this qualifies for alt.magicK .  :-)

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| O | HCM100 @ PSUVM.psu.edu   wife, you'll become happy; if you get    | O |
|   | HCM100 @ CBA1.psu.edu    a bad one, you'll become a philosopher." |   |
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Newsgroups: alt.divination
From: phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman)
Subject: Re: Just a question
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:14:43 GMT

Just an addition
If you use a triangular spread It is scientifically proven that
it loses its randomness and becomes predictable.
I will elaborate on this if anyone cares.

-- 
From the coffee table of MR SHANNON SALTZMAN
"Is doggie heavan kitty hell?"
     Stephanie Phoenix(age 6)
This in everyway represents the authors opinion!!!(take it if ya want)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: About arcana VI...
From: jtraub+@CS.CMU.EDU (Joseph Traub)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:01:26 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon University

I tend to see the card as a choice between two equally good
alternatives.  

It doesn't have the connotation of your 'choice between a woman or
a spiritual life' which I believe you meant as a choice between two options
one better, one worse.  

But then, I don't use book interpretations for my readings, so take any
interpretation I give of a card with a grain of salt.
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty --Anonymous
Argue for your limitations and sure enough they're yours --Richard Bach
Isn't humanity egocentric? Whenever we talk, we say "Here's my two cents
  worth," but we only offer "a penny for your thoughts." --ariel@cs.ucla.edu

Moonchilde/Amythyst/JT Traub ---           jtraub@cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.divination,alt.magick,alt.pagan
From: grimmea2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Bouncey the Super Happy Fun Ball)
Subject: Re: Tarot Spreads
Reply-To: qsc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Organization: Super Happy Fun Enterprises
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:50:17 GMT

>sjgavula@css.itd.umich.edu (Susan Gavula) writes:
>
>
>>I have a file of different spreads that folks have used to
>>read tarot.  If there is enough interest I will repost the file.
>>If you want to submit a spread that works for you just email it
>>and I will include it in my file.
>
>>Susan

I'd suggest taking this out of alt.magic, and putting it in alt.magick,
because it seems more appropriate (alt.magic is into slight of hand,
and parlor tricks, and this seems a bit more on the practical side to
me.)

btw, I think posting it would be nice.

Bouncey the Super Happy Fun Ball
Finally done catching up on news, the realization that anything he could
post has already been posted came as quite a shock, but not nearly as
big as the one that he would get flamed for everything he repeated.
Newsgroups: alt.divination
From: phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman)
Subject: Just a question
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:43:16 GMT

I am a christian(console me if you wish)
I would like to know how tarot cards are supposed to work.
Are they supposedly driven by the same elements said to cause
other things to happen ie fate?
please write to my e-mail adress for the answer thankyou.
real answers only please I didnt write to offend anyone.

-- 
From the coffee table of MR SHANNON SALTZMAN
"Is doggie heavan kitty hell?"
     Stephanie Phoenix(age 6)
This in everyway represents the authors opinion!!!(take it if ya want)
From: beth@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (elisabeth b. shaw)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Tarot Spells
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 10:40:24 CST
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

The book in question is TAROT SPELLS, by Janina Renee.  The publisher
is Llewellyn, although I don't have an ISBN handy.  I'll have to post
that when I have book in hand.
Beth.

beth@mintir.new-orleans.la.us
Newsgroups: alt.divination,alt.magic,alt.pagan
From: sad@dasher.cc.bellcore.com (downie,sharon l)
Subject: Re: Tarot Spreads
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 19:54:44 GMT
Followup-To: alt.divination
Summary: Tarot Spreads

In article <1dou1sINNj1t@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>, sjgavula@css.itd.umich.edu (Susan Gavula) writes:
> 
> I have a file of different spreads that folks have used to
> read tarot.  If there is enough interest I will repost the file.
> If you want to submit a spread that works for you just email it
> and I will include it in my file.
> 
> Susan

Yes, Yes, please post it.  Also I would be interested
if there is anyone out there that reads cards for a living.

Sharon Serene

Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.divination,alt.magic,alt.pagan
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:40:23 -0500 
From: "Daniel S. Efran" <de0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Tarot Spreads
	<1992Nov11.143638.19717@eng.cam.ac.uk>

Um, this really shouldn't be going to alt.magic.

	---Daniel Efran
----------------------------------
An it harm none, do as you Will.
Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.
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From: barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett)
Newsgroups: alt.divination,alt.magick,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Tarot Spreads
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:32:40 GMT
	<a6e2TB2w165w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us>
Reply-To: barnett@crdgw1.ge.com
Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY


In article <a6e2TB2w165w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us> elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley) writes:

>> I have a file of different spreads that folks have used to
>> read tarot.  If there is enough interest I will repost the file.
>> If you want to submit a spread that works for you just email it
>> and I will include it in my file.
>>
>> Susan
>
>By all means, please do.  This group is so slow, and alt.magick is so
>acrimonious that maybe picking up things here will help both...

Well, since you posted to alt.magic, I can give you a list of about a
dozen books on tarot readings - which include the real work on cold reading
techniques. There has been an explosion of literature in the last 10
years on techniques.

Some of the better ones:

How to build up a Psychic Practice with Full Length Cold  Readings 
	- Richard Webster
King of the Cold readers 
	- Bascom Jones
Red Hot Cold Reading 
	- Thomas K. Saville Ph.D. and Herb Dewey

These books are written by professional full-time readers. Learn how
to give a reading that will have people coming back for more!

Richard Webster is the author of 12 different books on several types
of divination: Aura, Palmistry, Tarot, Astrology, etc.

In addition, Flora & Company (Box 8263, Albuquerque, NM 87198)
sells audio and video tapes on giving readings. 

I also know a dealer who sells books that tell you how to set up one
of those 900 numbers for phone-in psychic advice. The book was written
by a working pro, who currently runs a 900 line. Other books talk
about mail-order psychic readings.  Great financial opportunities
here, as people are willing to spend a lot of bucks on professional
psychic advice.


--
Bruce Barnett <barnett@crd.ge.com> uunet!crdgw1!barnett
From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Tarot Spreads
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:29:50 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

I noticed that the one I use was not included in the file.  This one,
as described in the book for The Merlin Tarot, is known as "the three
rays" and reads as follows:

        1

      3 4 2

Card 1 represents the root, or seed of your inquiry.
Card 2 represents the positive (giving/creating) aspects of the
       solution.
Card 3 represents the negative (taking/destroying) aspects of the
       solution.
Card 4 represents the combination of the positive and negative aspects
       of the solution.

There are two variants on this spread:

The first variant involves dealing two more triangles like the one
described above.  In this case, the first one dealt explains the past,
the second one the present, and the third one the future.

The second variant involves dealing three more cards below the
triangle, so the spread looks like:

        1

      3 4 2

      6 7 5

In this case, cards 2-4 keep their meaning, but only as concerns your
transpersonal relationships, how you deal with others.

Cards 5-7 have the same negative/combination/positive meanings as
their corresponding cards on the row above, but they pertain to your
personal self.

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 /|_  dic5340@hertz.njit.edu | an ongoing investigation into the
((|,)                        | source of these .signature virusses
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From: CSMSETS@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.divination
Subject: Re: Book: 'Tarot Spells'
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:27:39 GMT

In article <BxHww1.E4u@sci.kun.nl>,
heinr@sci.kun.nl (Hein Ragas) writes:

>A while ago, someone mentioned a book called "Tarot Spells" on this
>group. At the time, I wasn't interested, so I didn't take any notice.
>
>Now, however, I _am_ interested, and I would very much like more info
>on the book.
>
>Could someone out there, who knows the book, mail me the author, the
>publisher and the ISBN-number? I would be very grateful.
>
>Greetings,
>          Hein Ragas
>
I think that was me, I thought I still had that stuff online but I guess
I don't. I'll have to check on it tonite and get back to you on this
tomorrow.
    --Ed 
Newsgroups: alt.divination
From: g91a2724@giraffe.ru.ac.za (MR GJ ANDREWS)
Subject: exorcism
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:19:45 GMT

Hi all, this may or may not be relevant to your group but could you mail 
info to me about said subject. I'd appreciate anything you've got.

Greg
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From: elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (Edward J. Branley)
Newsgroups: alt.divination,alt.magic,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Tarot Spreads
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:11:09 CST
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

sjgavula@css.itd.umich.edu (Susan Gavula) writes:

>
> I have a file of different spreads that folks have used to
> read tarot.  If there is enough interest I will repost the file.
> If you want to submit a spread that works for you just email it
> and I will include it in my file.
>
> Susan

By all means, please do.  This group is so slow, and alt.magick is so
acrimonious that maybe picking up things here will help both...



|Edward J. Branley         elendil@mintir.new-orleans.la.us|
|Seashell Software, Metairie, LA            +1-504-455-5087|
Newsgroups: alt.divination
From: dantonio@magick.tay2.dec.com (David D'Antonio)
Subject: Re: Just a question
Reply-To: dantonio@flashy.tay2.dec.com
Organization: None to speak of...
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:28:16 GMT


In article <1992Nov11.211443.17564@news.unomaha.edu>, phoenix@cwis.unomaha.edu (Shannon Chris Saltzman) writes:
|>Just an addition
|>If you use a triangular spread It is scientifically proven that
|>it loses its randomness and becomes predictable.
|>I will elaborate on this if anyone cares.

I'd be interested, both in how you define a "triangular spread" and
how it was "scientifically proven" to be predictable. You can Email me
if there isn't enough interest for the group, although the good
doesn't appear to be overwhelmed with articles. :-)

|>-- 
|>From the coffee table of MR SHANNON SALTZMAN

DDA

--
dantonio@magick.tay2.dec.com -or- dantonio@sword1.enet.dec.com
  I've tried to dance with what life had to hand me
    My partner's been pleasure, my partner's been pain
				-Stevie Nicks

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From: beth@mintir.new-orleans.la.us (elisabeth b. shaw)
Newsgroups: alt.divination,alt.magick,alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Tarot Spreads
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 10:35:02 CST
Organization: Minas Tirith BBS (Public Access Usenet for New Orleans)

barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett) writes:

> 
> In article <a6e2TB2w165w@mintir.new-orleans.la.us> elendil@mintir.new-orleans
> 
> >> I have a file of different spreads that folks have used to
> >> read tarot.  If there is enough interest I will repost the file.
> >> If you want to submit a spread that works for you just email it
> >> and I will include it in my file.
> >>
> >> Susan
> >
> >By all means, please do.  This group is so slow, and alt.magick is so
> >acrimonious that maybe picking up things here will help both...
> 
> Well, since you posted to alt.magic, I can give you a list of about a
> dozen books on tarot readings - which include the real work on cold reading
> techniques. There has been an explosion of literature in the last 10
> years on techniques.
> 
> Some of the better ones:
> 
> How to build up a psychic practice with  Full Length Cold
>   Readings - Richard Webster
> King of the Cold readers - Bascom Jones
> Red Hot Cold Reading - Thomas K. Saville Ph.D. and Herb Dewey
> 
> These books are written by professional full-time readers. Learn how
> to give a reading that will have people coming back for more!
> 
> In addition, Flora & Company (Box 8263, Albuquerque, NM 87198)
> sells audio and video tapes on giving readings. 
> 
> I also know a dealer who sells books that tell you how to set up one
> of those 900 numbers for phone-in psychic advice. The book was written
> by a working pro, who currently runs a 900 line. Great financial
> opportunities here, as people are willing to spend a lot of bucks on
> professional psychic advice. 
> 
> 
> --
> Bruce Barnett <barnett@crd.ge.com> uunet!crdgw1!barnett

Hi!
I'd be interested in what you have, too. :)  I've had friends tell me
I should set up a 900 number.  Do you know how much those things cost?
I'm sure they're expensive.  I'll check out the books you mentioned.

beth.
beth@mintir.new-orleans.la.us
Newsgroups: alt.divination
From: marylou@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (MaryLou Rowe)
Subject: Re: Just Found this Group
Reply-To: marylou@bcarh11a.BNR.CA (MaryLou Rowe)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:47:04 GMT

In article <1dm623INNng8@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>,
sjgavula@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu (Susan Gavula) writes:
|>
|>The Mary Hanson-Roberts Deck and The Robin Wood Deck are the 
|>ones that I use the most.  I also have the Arthurian Tarot,
|>and the Merlin Tarot as well.  My question to you all is:
|>What is your favorite deck and, Which layout do you use?
|>

What a coincidence!! I too use both the Hanson_Roberts and the Robin Wood.
I gravitate more to the second deck as it seems to be more 'serious'. The
Hanson-Roberts deck is very cheerful which is sometimes a distraction.

I use a modified Celtic Cross as well as a 7-card 'Yes/No' spread.
I tried others but always come back to these two.

                
Mary Lou Rowe   |My opinions are my own and do not reflect those of
BNR             |Bell-Northern Research.
P.O. Box 3511, Stn. C. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1Y 4H7
...!bnrgate!marylou%bwdlh490 MARYLOU@BNR.CA +1 613-765-4408 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Krystallnacht - The Terror Begins
Keywords: Goebbels,Goering,Grynszpan,Kristallnacht,vom Rath
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:21:01 GMT

Although Nazi apologetics try to claim that the events of
Krystallnacht are not to blame on the Nazi leadership, the
following instuctions from SS General Heydrich leave no
doubt that the pogrom was indeed supported by them:


Message from SS-Grupenfuehrer Heydrich to all State Police Main
Offices and Field Offices, November 10 1938 (before "Kristallnacht",
the "night of broken glass", the first large scale pogrom 
against the Jews)
[NCaA, Vol. III, p. 545]
----------------------------------------------------------------
Regards: Measures against Jews tonight.
.
.
.

a) Only such measures may be taken which do not jeopardize
   German life or property (for instance, burning of synagogues
   only if there is no danger of fires for the neighbourhoods).

b) Business establishments and homes of Jews may be destroyed but
   not looted. The police have been instructed to supervise the
   execution of these directives and to arrest looters.

c) In Business streets special care is to be taken that non-Jewish
   establishments will be safeguarded at all cost against damage.
.
.
.

As soon as the events of this night permit the use of the designated
officers, as many Jews, particularly wealthy ones, as the local
jails will hold, are to be arrested in all districts. Initially
only healthy male Jews, not too old, are to be arrested. After
the arrests have been carried out the appropriate concentration
camp is to be contacted immediately with a view to a quick
transfer of the Jews to the camps...



-Danny Keren.

Xref: sparky alt.revisionism:785 soc.history:9303
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.history,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.misc
Subject: LEST WE FORGET: A Holocaust Bibliography
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 08:00:09 GMT
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Vancouver Island, CANADA
Keywords: bibliography

I have assembled a Holocaust bibliographic reference file, which is available
to anyone and everyone requesting it. It contains over 1000 entries, and will 
prove an invaluable tool for anyone interested in learning more about the 
horrible events now referred to as the Holocaust.

The file has been split (20 Oct 1992) into three pieces, to avoid breaking
mailers. The first and second sections contain my bibliography, typing errors 
and all, and the third contains the UCSD Library list, which I received from a
thoughtful user. Given time and energy, I will merge them and eliminate any
duplicate listings; in the meantime, I will mail them to you separately.

Although the Holocaust-deniers constantly refer to such references as those
contained in the bibliography as "lies, forgeries, or statements obtained
under threat of death," they have yet to respond to my challenge to provide
a SINGLE piece of evidence that ANY of the 1000+ entries in the list fit ANY
of the categories noted. As usual, when it comes to FACTS, they cannot
provide them. (Responsible scholars understand that differences in
viewpoint and recollection will always exist within any great body of
historical reference - that is not disputed. For that reason alone, the
enormous amount of material available to the serious Holocaust scholar is
invaluable. I have produced this work not because I hold every citation to
be "the absolute truth," but because I believe that the truth most
certainly lies within these works; anyone truely interested in learning
about the Holocaust will find the bibliography a rich resource.

Although I had originally planned to publish my bibliography on a regular
basis, it quickly grew to the point were it would have been downright
inconsiderate to do so. 

You may obtain all parts of the bibliography by sending a message to:

listserv@oneb.almanac.bc.ca

and including this text in the message:

send holocaust biblio.1
send holocaust biblio.2
send holocaust biblio.3

.sig files may confuse my punch-drunk server, so delete them if you can.

(You may _also_ receive the bibliography, mailed in three parts, by sending me
a message with the word 'biblio' in the Subject: field. That way, I will
also see the message, and respond to it, which wouldn't normally happen if
you request the files from listserv.)

If you have bibliographic citations I can add to the bibliography, or
documented articles dealing with the subject of the Holocaust, I would be
pleased to add them to the distribution archives.

Followup to alt.revisionism
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