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From: baldwin@csservera.scs.usna.navy.mil (J.D. Baldwin)
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: Re: Cadets
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:40:53 GMT
	<C03MoH.E7q@unix.portal.com> <1992Dec31.090449.8510@nwnexus.WA.COM>
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dep't., U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis, MD
In-reply-to: randy@halcyon.com's message of 31 Dec 92 05:04:49 -0400

In article <1992Dec31.090449.8510@nwnexus.WA.COM> randy@halcyon.com
(C. Brandon Gresham) writes, quoting claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S
Annese):
>>That is the active Reserves which basicly is the same thing for an
>>Officer. The only way to become a non-reserve officer in the
>>Navy/Marine Corps is to go to the Naval Academy. All other roads to
>>commisioning lead to a commision in the Active Reserves.
>
>I have been lead to believe that Congress just changed that this year.
>From the screams I've heard from the Academies future grads (beginning
>in what year?) will receive Reserve Commissions.

You have been lead to believe correctly; all officer accessions will
be reserve commissions starting in fiscal 1996 (?).  I believe this
will affect only class of 1997 and later.

I was given to understand that ROTC scholarship students (2- and
4-year) and "distinguished graduates" were given regular commissions
from the start.  If I'm right about this then that, too, will change.

jd baldwin

P.S.  DO NOT REPLY BY MAIL as I'll never see it.  See my farewell
message on this group, "_Nimitz_-bound!"
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: nusbache@epas.utoronto.ca (Aryk Nusbacher)
Subject: Re: empty
Organization: University of Toronto - Office of the Provost
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 01:07:56 GMT

In article <C00BMJ.8AF@unix.portal.com> claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese) writes:

>Well Lt. what is this group supposed to be for anyways? Myself being an
>enlisted man in the Navy decided to subscribe to this group to see what it was
>about when it popped up as a new group. But there has been no traffic.


A lot of student-heavy nets get really quiet this time o' year.  I've
been working on a detailed post about Canadian training schemes, but I
think I'll save it until the students come back from Christmas break.
In the meantime, however, I thought I might post a note I wrote to my
sister shortly after being commissioned.

Aryk Nusbacher, 2Lt
48th Highlanders of Canada

(note follows as separate posting)
From: kevin@american.edu (Kevin Cruz)
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: Re: Cadets
Date: 30 Dec 1992 19:10:02 GMT
Organization: The American University Computing Center
NNTP-Posting-Host: tosh.cas.american.edu

-> Next question is: Is it possible to participate ROTC if you got a
-> scholarship  at a US uninersity?

Enrollment in ROTC *includes* the payment of tuition for that school.  An ROTC  
scholarship/program pays your tuition (you come up with the room and board) for  
the school you will be attending, assuming that the school will have ROTC or  
access to ROTC, and upon graduation you will be commissioned in whatever brach  
of service you specialize in.  If the particular university feels that the ROTC  
scholarship is enough financial aid for you, they will not give you any more.  
However, if hte school sees that you are still in need after the ROTC  
scholarship, they will give you whatever they seem fit.

As far as citizenship and the armed forces, you do not need to be a citizen to  
enlist, or commission.  Some one else already posted that for a citizen of  
another country to get into any of the four academies (Military, Naval, Air  
Force, or Coast Guard) is very tough (it's tough enough for *U.S.* citizens).

ROTC seems like a good way to comission (it seems like that is the way you want  
to go).  Although it is competitive to get into, it isn't as tough as are the  
academies. Another option would be Officer Candidate School (OCS).  The way it  
works is: first you graduate from a university (with a bachelor's); then you  
take an entrance examination (I'm not sure if that includes the ASVAAB);  
finally, if you qualify, you go through basic training, followed by extensive  
miliatry courses. After 6 months or so, you will commission in the RESERVES. At  
least that's how it works for the Navy/Marines, I assume it is the same for the  
other branches.

--
Kevin Cruz			E-mail: kevin@american.edu
Computer Science
The American University
Washington, D.C.
   
Psychiatrists say that one out of four people are mentally ill.  Check
three friends. If they're OK, you're it.
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Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:03:44 EST
From: John A. Jordan Ii. <JJ9262A@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: Re: Cadets
 <1hss6aINNcmg@au-ns.american.edu> <C03MoH.E7q@unix.portal.com>
 <1992Dec31.090449.8510@nwnexus.WA.COM>
 <BALDWIN.92Dec31154053@csservera.scs.usna.navy.mil>

What I've been told about the change in officer commisioning is that all
cadets (ROTC and Military Academies) will go into a common selection
process.  The best and the brightest (and the luckiest) will still get
regular commissions and everyone else will be consigned to the Active
Reserves.  Prior to this the Military Academies had a selection process
that was entirely seperated frothe ROTC selection process.  My moderator
spent an entire class period explaining the selection process to us and
then told us that the Military Academies got first crack at everything
and ROTC cadets could basically compete for whatever was left.  Being
ROTC I kind of like the new system, though it won't affect me in the
slightest.

Cadet John A. Jordan II
The American University
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 31 Dec 1992 14:37:27 MST
From: <ICSCH@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: MIA/POW BRACELETS

Though I'm not a military cadet I thought this would be the correct forum
in which to ask this -- Concerning MIA/POW bracelets: 1) Are people in the
military offended when non-miltary personell wear them, and 2) Are the
bracelets customarily worn until the status of the POW/MIA can be confirmed?
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese)
Subject: Re: empty
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:06:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.185836.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu> cvalj000@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu (Mike Cancellier) writes:
>Thought I'd better post so the group doesn't get cut.

Well Lt. what is this group supposed to be for anyways? Myself being an
enlisted man in the Navy decided to subscribe to this group to see what it was 
about when it popped up as a new group. But there has been no traffic.
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Tony Annese                                            claebaur@shell.portal.com
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From: baldwin@csservera.scs.usna.navy.mil (J.D. Baldwin)
Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
Subject: _Nimitz_-bound!
Date: 31 Dec 92 19:46:21 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dep't., U.S. Naval Academy, Annapolis, MD

I'm leaving USENET the minute I walk out of this office (in about an
hour).  I just wanted to offer free (!) tours of the USS _Nimitz_
(CVN-68) to any readers out there who find themselves in the pacific
northwest (homeport is Bremerton, WA) with some free time (that cuts out
99% of USENET-ters.)  You may write me to discuss this or any other
naval aviation matter at

	LT J.D. Baldwin, USN
	Operations Department
	USS Nimitz (CVN-68)
	FPO AP  96697-2820

I don't know my phone number, but you can look it up and ask for the
"Air Operations Division" and anyone there will know me.  I'm going to
be deployed 1 Feb 93 to 1 Aug 93 (that's no longer classified)--I'll be
back on time, God and the Somali warlords willing!

jd baldwin

Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese)
Subject: Re: Cadets
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 05:54:20 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.090449.8510@nwnexus.WA.COM> randy@halcyon.com (C. Brandon Gresham) writes:
>>That is the active Reserves which basicly is the same thing for an Officer.The
>>only way to become a non-reserve officer in the Navy/Marine Corps is to go to
>>the Naval Academy. All other roads to commisioning lead to a commision in the
>>Active Reserves.
>I have been lead to believe that Congress just changed that this year.
>From the screams I've heard from the Academies future grads (beginning
>in what year?) will receive Reserve Commissions.

Does anyone know the reasoning behind this? Does it make it easier to give an
officer the axe if they are a reservist vice being a active duty officer?
(Which they really are anyway. They're not Tar's like an enlisted active
reservist is because they are attached to active duty units not Tar units
[TAR= Training Active Reservist]).
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Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese)
Subject: Re: Cadets
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 05:21:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.080453.9919@email.tuwien.ac.at> fbrohs@email.tuwien.ac.at (Friedrich BROHS) writes:
>A question about citizenship: Is it required to be a US citizen to serve
>with US forces?

No. There are a whole bunch of ways citizens of other countries can serve in
the American armed forces. Countries we have bases in sometimes had clauses
built into the agreements saying that we will let their people serve in our
services. One such country was/is the Phillipines(anyone know this weeks status
on that? It changes too much for me to keep up with). 

 I know, that during the Vietnam war it was possible to
>achieve US citizenship by serving in the USMC.

Yes that is one of the perks of the deal if you want to become a citizen
you are granted that privledge. You still need to pass the citzenship tests
that everyone else has to take but you dont have to go through the weeding
out process.  

>Next question is: Is it possible to participate ROTC if you got a
>scholarship  at a US uninersity?

I dont know. The best thing to do is contact the nearest American Military
Base. Most have some sort of Recruiting person or Public Affairs Officer
which can tell you who to contact or where to go. If there is no base near
you(I think there is one in Austria) try the American Embassy.
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Tony Annese                                            claebaur@shell.portal.com
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Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese)
Subject: Re: MIA/POW BRACELETS
Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 06:22:32 GMT

In article <92366.143727ICSCH@ASUACAD.BITNET> <ICSCH@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:
>Though I'm not a military cadet I thought this would be the correct forum
>in which to ask this -- Concerning MIA/POW bracelets: 1) Are people in the
>military offended when non-miltary personell wear them, and 2) Are the

I dont know anyone who is. They are sold at a Wings And Things Specialty 
shop attached to our Navy Exchange(Navy version of a PX) Family members
of MIA's/POW's were the one's who stared the program I believe. One thing
to check for when buying one of these is to make sure the place you buy 
yours from does send the proceeds to appropriate MIA/POW groups. There
was a big scandal about a year ago where the proceeds were being pocketed
by the group making them and not the MIA/POW groups.

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Tony Annese                                            claebaur@shell.portal.com
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Newsgroups: alt.military.cadet
From: emery@goldfinger.mitre.org (David Emery)
Subject: Re: Cadets
Organization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 23:33:39 GMT

Unless things have changed drastically since I went through, ROTC does
*NOT* pay for tuition, *unless* you get a ROTC scholarship.  In the
Junior and Senior years, there's a stipend (it was $100/month in the
dark ages when I went through the program).  

The scholarships are an excellent deal.  All tuition, books, fees,
etc, and that stipend towards room and board.  A 4-year scholarship
pays the stipend and expenses for all 4 years, 3 years for your last 3
years, etc....

				dave 
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: anderson@eco2.serum.kodak.com (Curt Anderson (x37432))
Subject: Mighty St. Joe's Alumni Corps
Reply-To: anderson@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:14:07 GMT

Although just barely a year old, the Mighty St. Joe's Alumni Corps
has been selected to perform at the first AFC playoff game in Buffalo.

We will be doing a 7 minute pre-game show and a 9 minute half-time show.  
If the Bills lose this coming Sunday, we will be at the wildcard game on 
Jan 3.  If they win, it will be Jan 10.

Go Bills.

Curt Anderson
Mighty St. Joe's Alumni Corps
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Anyone want to play?
Date: 22 Dec 92 21:52:18 GMT
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Cross-posted from rec--Vince.

------- Forwarded message

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 16:51:32 EST
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
To: rec-arts-marching-drumcorps@cs.utexas.edu
X-MTS-Userid: 0HRR
Subject: Anyone want to play?

In article 147 of rec.arts.marching.drumcorps and 2765 of alt.drumcorps,
ck10322@china.medtronic.com (Cameron Kaszas) wrote
 
|>OK, time for some humor.  :)
|>
|>Take a well known person, and select the corps that they are most suited to,
|>and state why.
 
Rodney Dangerfield           VK            Neither gets any respect!
Madonna                      VK            Either will do anything for applause
John Wayne, Clint Eastwood   Troopers      They've all worn the uniform.
Gary Cooper, Ronald Reagan,                Besides, could imagine them marching
Kevin Costner                              anywhere else?
Mickey Mouse                 Kingsmen      Both have played his song.
                             Magic
 
Vince
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Cavaliers 1992 banquet
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:56:04 GMT

  The Cavaliers annual awards banquet was held at the Rosemont convention
center this past weekend after the December camp. The banquet this year was
a little special as you can imagine, and the facilities and food were
magnificent. The list of drum corps notables that attended was long, but
among them were: Done Pesceone, Gail Royer, Tom Blair (director of the DCI
broadcasts and Cavalier alum), Fred Sanford, Jay Wanamaker, and many others.

  Jim Campbell, always the comic relief, put together a 5 minute tape of the
more ecstatic judges comments from finals, and this really broke the crowd up.
There were all kinds of presentations made by Jim, Jeff Fiedler, Don Warren,
and others to deserving people in the Cavalier organization. The 700+ crowd
gave many standing ovations before the night was over. All of the age-outs
gave a short speech, and everyone had a great time.

  The camp went well also, and because of the talent we have in the line
this year and the spots opened up by eliminating the cymbal line, we have
increased the size of the battery to 10 snares, 6 tenors, and 6 basses.
At the end of each camp, each of the sections of the corps gets to show
off what they have been working on. The hornline played through the show,
and man, it is great. The drumline played through our newly reworked and
much more dense (if that is possible) version of our streetbeat, "Bunko
Rules". The pit played a really tasty arrangement of a Steps Ahead tune,
and they appear to have plenty of talent, also. Well, enough rambling.
I can't wait for June! Any reports on other camps?

Brad.





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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: anderson@eco2.serum.kodak.com (Curt Anderson (x37432))
Subject: G.A.S
Reply-To: anderson@serum.kodak.com
Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:05:46 GMT

I read in Drum Corps World about the Skyliner Alumni-sponsored Great 
American Seniors (G.A.S.) Reunion on March 19, 20 and 21.  Several of
us in the Mighty St. Joe's Alumni Corps are interested in attending. 
If anyone has a contact name and/or phone number, I would appreciate 
it if you would send me email at anderson@clpd.kodak.com.

Thanks in advance.

Curt Anderson
Mighty St. Joe's Alumni Corps
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Judge kills
Date: 25 Dec 1992 16:41:45 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <alt.drumcorps:2780, rec.arts.marching.drumcorps:172>, 
raj@netcom.com (Roger Lee) wrote (Re: Judge kills):
 
|>Well, when I was marching with San Jose Raiders back in '82, there was this
|>most unfortunate marching judge that was checking out our color guard (you
|>remember -- the one's with the low cut costumes). Well, he was transfixed long
|>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!
|>enough to have one of the Contra's back up right behind him.
|>
|>Then came the horn up.
|>
|>He recovered, but the dent in the back of the contra was a trophy that the
|>contra player displayed proudly after that.....
-- 
 
Oh, yeah!  I remember that color guard!  They were real foxes!
I was especially fond of the guard captain, Wanda "Cheshie" Young.
We were pen pals for 2 years and dated a couple of times.  Pity it
didn't work out :_( !  I hope the judge wasn't checking out her.
If so, he got what was coming to him!
 
Back to judge traps--In 1978, SCV's guard formed a tight circle at
the end of the first song of the Gayne Ballet Suite.  Well, at
DCI Midwest prelims, they managed to trap *3* judges in it!  There
the judges were, penned in by women standing on one leg holding up
hoops while the crowd was snickering at them.  Amusing for us in AK,
embarrassing for the judges.  They didn't repeat that mistake at
finals that night!
 
Vince
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From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps,rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
Subject: Re: "Trapping the Field Judge" (Was Judge kills ((Was Re: Tour stories...))
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 09:43:43 EDT
Organization: Heavy Objects R Us
Reply-To: chinchilla!niel@cars.com
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


In article <1992Dec17.103853@IASTATE.EDU> (alt.drumcorps,rec.arts.marching.drumcorps), knights@IASTATE.EDU (Andrew H Combites) writes:
>P.S.  Lets hear more stories like this, and maybe even some other stories about
>judges in general????

OK, you got it.

In 1982, Spirit did a thing where all the horns got in little circles
of 6 to 10 players, arms outstretched around the perimeter of the
circle (this was in the drum solo).  At one point, we suddenly turned
inward and contracted the circles, with horns pointing inward, all
the way down to a very compact clump.

We all just KNEW that this was sure to catch a judge, beacuse of the
way the circles originally formed.  We were all in big arcs that split
up to form the circles, so it was just a matter of time.

My circle finally did catch one, but he was smart enough to just find
the center and stand there.  Unfortunately, this was before the days
of really fast-moving drill, and the circles were stationary on the
field.

Niel

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From: dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Ask DCI
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 11:25:54 EST
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:

> 
> Here is a letter I am sending to DCI Today.  I will send it out next week.
> Until then, I welcome feedback from people on the Net.  Thanks.

Well, gee, uh, that's pretty good.  You might add all your supporters from
the net as co-authors, to indicate the strength of agreement with your views.
But, that might dilute the sense of accomplishment in authoring it... whatever.
What are your thoughs?  Do you think that adding a bunch of names to your
letter might give it more force with DCI?

-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
gatech!vdbsan!willard!dawson
emory!uumind!willard!dawson
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Newsgroups: alt.rissa,misc.consumers,misc.legal,soc.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Subject: Re: How does a PI locate somebody?
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 02:55:18 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile
Followup-To: alt.rissa,alt.conspiracy

In article <C08zoF.1Cz@andy.bgsu.edu> sebert@andy.bgsu.edu (kim) writes:
| ...
| I often thought that if I wanted to hide I would go to a small town and
| chech the newspaper archive for some one who died that was about my age
| and then request a birth cirtificate from the health department. With
| that you could get a ssn and then even get a drivers license with the 
| story that some one stole your wallet or purse. ...

There are people who do this professionally.  That is,
they search the obituary columns of old newspapers, then
obtain the birth certificates of the individuals and
create a sort of identity.  The identity can then be
packaged and sold to a person needing one.  The only
problem with the profession is that so many people are
doing it that the supply of dead people is running
out.  Consequently the price of new identities is rising
-- but then, what isn't?  

Back in the '70s I read that a minimal identity package
(birth certificate, driver's license, maybe a few other
items) could be obtained for four or five hundred dollars.
I don't know what the fee is these days.  But I'm sure
that at less than the price of a good used car, out of 
sight is just around the corner.
-- 

 )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )
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