HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: richard@borneo.gmd.de (Richard Czech)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Soft Tip Darts - was: Lurker comes forward
Date: 30 Sep 92 14:52:28 GMT
Reply-To: richard@borneo.gmd.de
Organization: GMD, German National Research Center for Computer Science

In article <1992Sep28.175637.28734@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, tang@akofin.enet.dec.com
(Gabe Tang) writes:	
|> >>       Shooting
|> >>	skills probably don't improve using soft-tips because the machines
|> >>	I've seen allow you to win an '01 game by hitting only the single
|> >>	of the number you have left...not the double.
|> > 
|> >Com'on, get serious.  Have you ever hit a single 60?  How about a
|> >single 33?  You can finish an electronic game with one dart on ANY
|> >number on the board; BUT, just like bristle games, you still have to
|> >set it up.
|> 
|> 	Yes, but if I have 19 to do, do I go for the 3 and then double 8?
|> 	Or do I miss and hit 17 and then need double 1? No, I can miss and
|> 	hit 19 to bust? No. No. and No! All I need to hit is a single 19 to
|> 	win. Is this more difficult or less? I need 60 to do.....so why not
|> 	hit 3 20s. 20, 20 and 20. Even most beginners will think that is
|> 	easier than hitting a single 20, double 20 combination.

At least here in Germany the electronic dart boards allow to play
301 or 501 games with single out, double out or master out. You 
just have to press the correct button. So where's the problem?
 
|> >>       Also, the bull area, and I've only seen the ones
|> >>	with single bulls, are a good bit larger than a normal steel-tip
|> >>	bull.......more like a half-dollar size rather than a quarter.:-(

Here the electronic boards have the same single/double bull as the
real bristle dart boards.

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From: hargrove@bee.corp.sgi.com (Mark Hargrove)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
Subject: Re: Hi all... Question...Etiquette?
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:39:11 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <BvCqwx.CEG@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
v222p9ns@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (A PFC, AND DAMNED PROUD TO BE)
writes:

[stuff about an idiot who leaves for the bathroom when it's his
 turn to shoot deleted]

|> Am I being too sensitive about this? Thanks
|> for any tips and pointers!

No, you're not being too sensitive.  He's a jerk.  

There's a regular Saturday night Chicago shoot that I attend pretty often.
It has the distinction of drawing several excellent shooters, including
a couple of nationally ranked guys.  It's a blind draw tournament, so
everybody is naturally hoping to draw one of these guys.  Last week,
this middle-of-the-road player (who I'll call 'Frank'), draws 'George',
one of the big guns.  All night long, Frank keeps going across the bar
to the juke box, just when it was his turn to shoot.  His partner, a
very competitive fellow, starts nicely asking him to pay more attention.
This is followed by ordering him to stay away from the damn jukebox, 
followed (in the finals!) by George practically foaming at the mouth
trying to get Frank to pay attention.

After the finals (which they lost, big surprise), George told the guy
that if he ever drew him again, George would go home rather than play.

Darts is NOT just a game, dammit!  :-)

-M

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: rec@indetech.com (Rick Cobb)
Subject: Re: Out Charts questioned
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 23:09:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.103159.881@mala.bc.ca> ballm@mala.bc.ca writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.143314.28805@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>> I find this little chart handy (esspecially the second part!)
>> 
>> ... bulk of chart deleted ...
>>  96 - T20 D18     82 - T18 D14     69 - T15 D12     56 - S16 D20
>> 
>
>I know this has been discussed before but I still feel compelled to question
>this chart.
>Other shots:
>
>95 - T15 D25     82 - T14 D20     72 - T18 D18       
>94 - T18 D20   **80 - T20 D20** **68 - T20 D4 **
>90 - T18 D18     75 - S25 D25   **64 - T20 D2 **   

I'm surprised at both suggested 82 outs. If I have three in my hand,
I'll usually shoot this D25 D16; if I miss the double bull into the
single, I've got a single-double out in S17 D20.  Either of the other
suggestions leave a triple-double if I miss.  I agree with T14 D20
if there are only 1 or 2 darts in my hand, though, since the triple is
bigger than the double bull.

There aren't a lot of outs that change depending on darts-in-hand, but
I find I get this one a lot more doing it this way.
Besides, if I *know* about an out like this,
then if I shoot the other ones I feel like I'm wimping out -- and
I miss more often when I think I'm wimping out.  


>> -- 
>> - Patrick E. Fleming ---
>
>
>
>May all your arrows be straight.
>
>mick
>
>

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.darts
From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Out Charts (repost)
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:33:14 GMT

I find this little chart handy (esspecially the second part!)

     - Pat
.

Two dart outs:

110 - T20 D25     89 - T19 D16     76 - T20 D8      63 - T13 D12
107 - T19 D25     88 - T16 D20     75 - T17 D12     62 - T10 D16
104 - T18 D25     87 - T17 D18     74 - T14 D16     61 - T15 D8
101 - T17 D25     86 - T18 D16     73 - T19 D8      60 - S20 D20
100 - T20 D20     85 - T15 D20     72 - T16 D12     59 - S19 D20
 98 - T20 D19     84 - T20 D12     71 - T13 D16     58 - S18 D20
 97 - T19 D20     83 - T17 D16     70 - T18 D8      57 - S17 D20
 96 - T20 D18     82 - T18 D14     69 - T15 D12     56 - S16 D20
 95 - T19 D19     81 - T15 D18     68 - T12 D16     55 - S15 D20
 94 - T20 D17     80 - T16 D16     67 - T17 D8      54 - S14 D20
 92 - T20 D16     79 - T13 D20     66 - T14 D12     53 - S13 D20
 91 - T17 D20     78 - T18 D12     65 - S25 D20     52 - S20 D16
 90 - T20 D15     77 - T15 D16     64 - T16 D8      51 - S19 D16



One dart out shots:

50 - D25       28 - D14         14 - D7
40 - D20       26 - D13         12 - D6
38 - D19       24 - D12         10 - D5
36 - D18       22 - D11          8 - D4
34 - D17       20 - D10          6 - D3
32 - D16       18 - D9           4 - D2
30 - D15       16 - D8           2 - D1
-- 
- Patrick E. Fleming ---------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ------------ Some things are still a mystery to me -
- Ohio Wesleyan University ----------- While others are much too clear! ------
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -----------------------------------------
From: nigel@muppet.bt.co.uk (nigel lever)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Re: Anyone for tennis?
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:30:32 GMT
Reply-To: nigel@muppet.bt.co.uk
Organization: British Telecom

tennis, where?

oh sorry, wrong group.

bye
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
From: jgoodric@dante.nmsu.edu (GOODRICH)
Subject: Re: Anyone for tennis?
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:20:20 GMT

	
	Actually, I also play Lazer-Tag when I can find the people to play
with...  You may be interested to know that the military wargame laser-
sensors are on the very same frequency as Lazer-Tag Equipment.
	Me?  I painted my rifle matte black and that real-ly helped me
not get shot at.
	Wanna trade stories?  Anyone?
 
The Laughing Priest!

	"I an pilot error.
	I am fetal distress
	I am the Random Chromosome
	I am Complete and TOTAL MADNESS!"   - The Crow
From: robinsonm@clvax1.cl.msu.edu (Mike Robinson)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Any one in E. Lansing???
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:24:15 GMT
Reply-To: robinsonm@clvax1.cl.msu.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

Hello,
   I am curious if there is anyone in the East Lansing area who 
plays lazer tag???????  I haven't played in years and would like 
to start up again.

* Robinson

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
From: cnastav@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (carl eric nastav)
Subject: boring?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 22:49:07 GMT
From: Todd Trimble
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Thanks for the help, now one more ?
Date: 6 Oct 1992 23:58:00 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: trimblte@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Template Account)
NNTP-Posting-Host: o233-24.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

Thanks to all who directed me to misc.wanted & misc.forsale for equipment.   
I've been swamped with offers.  My question now is about price.  (I also  
apologize if this is a duplicate, our newshost acted as if maybe it ate my  
first post.)  I have little/no idea what the market value of used  
equipment (specificly rifles, pistols and various targets) is.  I don't  
want to rip anyone off in my offers to buy, but in turn I'd like to save  
as much money as possible.  If any readers could help, I'd greatly  
appreciate it!  Thanks in advance.

--
Todd Eric Trimble
EE in Training and Paintball Enthusiast                                   
Looking for fields in T. Haute area
trimblte@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
No one ever agrees with what I say....why should Rose-Hulman?  <Answer:  
they don't>
From: ross@novax.llnl.gov
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Re: Availability of guns
Date: 2 Oct 92 20:27:11 GMT

In article <BvGA98.8o5@csugrad.cs.vt.edu>, dporter@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Doug Porter) writes:
> 
> oked in several stores around the Indianapolis area, and can't find
>>the lasertag equipment anymore.  Is there any place or anyone that still
>>has this equipment available?
> 
> 
> We had the same problem in Atlanta, ended up just asking everyone
> we knew, and it turned out a suprising number of people had guns
> and sensors sitting in the back of their closets, which they
> gladly parted with for between free and $5.
> 
> As to a commercial establishment, I don't know of one, but if youy
> find one i would like the address.
> 

I found two complete WOW sets at the local electronics flea market. Paid $15
for both.  

The company that bought out the old WOW stock has the Laser Tag guns for $20
and the kit (gun, sensor, and vest) for $40. Mail order only.

Try:
Toy Faire
Fremont CA 
(510) 794-9530
Good luck
Gary
From: mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Anyone for tennis?
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:49:58 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

Am I the only person in the world who plays this game???

Or am I the only person boring enough to write about it???????!!!!!!!!

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From: mcsbc2msd@dct.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Re: Anyone for tennis?
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:53:47 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1992Sep29.194958.459@dct.ac.uk>, mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk writes:
> Am I the only person in the world who plays this game???
> 
> Or am I the only person boring enough to write about it???????!!!!!!!!
> 
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> #############################################################################
-- 

	Nope... There's quite a lot of us....


	Why don't you join the Zapp Zone society this year?

	
	Oh yeah, anybody know of any better sites than the one in Dundee?

	I heard the Glasgow LASERDOME is supposed to be good....

	3 level job with grill floors for shooting through....


	And does anyone out there know where I can get my hands on
	Lasertag guns by Mattel....?

	Coz I managed to get my hands on a whole load of star-sensors
	at a quid a piece but I can't do much with them without a gun :-)

	
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| Mike D at the D.I.T.                               | Mike Dolan             |
| Janet: mcsbc2msd@uk.ac.dct                         | 15 Claypotts Place     |
| Int:   mcsbc2msd%cc.dct.ac.uk@cunyvm.cuny.edu      | B/Ferry, Dundee        |
| Nyx:   mdolan%nyx.cs.du.edu                        | Scotland DD5 1LG       |
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				LOVE THEM MOUSIES!
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Subject: Re: boring?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:10:01 GMT

cnastav@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (carl eric nastav) writes:






Well, carl didn't actually write anything!  Perhaps if more people WOULD
write something, Carl wouldn't be bored....  :-)

Duane
From: jsypeck@brahms.udel.edu (Jeffrey Chri Sypeck)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Re: Anyone for tennis?
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:38:31 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware

'Allo...

During the summer of 1987, some friends and I managed to get some fairly
large groups of 'Tag players out and about after dark in Bicentennial Park
in East Brunswick, N.J.  (That was the summer Kay-Bee found a warehouse full
of 'Tag equiptment and sold it all for surprisingly low prices.)  We tried
a number of variations, from the whole crowd (sometimes up to twelve players)
going after one guy with the rifle on silent rapid-fire, or games out in the
open on basketball courts (truly a test of stamina), capture-the-flag style
games with the Starbases, etc.  The only real disagreements we ever had were
over players who would wiggle around, PHOTON-style, to avoid getting hit...
I've gotta admit, it's very eerie, listening to a heartbeat-like
*BEEP* in your ears and watching disembodied red lights bounce around a
pitch-dark park.  (Aside from a couple run-ins with the park ranger, and
reports of "screaming youths with guns", things went rather smoothly...:)
 
 We also found that anyone with  slightly-more-than-rudimentary knowledge
of electronics can, in a manner of speaking, enlarge the target by adding
additional I.R. sensors, available at Radio Shack for next to nothing.
We had plans to put together vests and that sort of thing, but never got
around to it...Basically, we turned to Laser Tag when Photon, in nearby
Kenilworth, NJ, closed up and the site was bought by NBO.  (For a brief
time, the sign read: "NBO - The Ultimate Game on Planet Earth!")
 
 Just my two bits...

 Here's to Future Days,
 ---------------------Jeff
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
From: Todd Trimble
Subject: Availability of guns
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:15:27 GMT

Distribution: The known universe

I've looked in several stores around the Indianapolis area, and can't find  
the lasertag equipment anymore.  Is there any place or anyone that still  
has this equipment available?

--
Todd Eric Trimble
EE in Training and Paintball Enthusiast                                   
Looking for fields in T. Haute area
trimblte@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
No one ever agrees with what I say....why should Rose-Hulman?  <Answer:  
they don't>
From: dporter@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Doug Porter)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
Subject: Re: Availability of guns
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:10:19 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA


oked in several stores around the Indianapolis area, and can't find
>the lasertag equipment anymore.  Is there any place or anyone that still
>has this equipment available?


We had the same problem in Atlanta, ended up just asking everyone
we knew, and it turned out a suprising number of people had guns
and sensors sitting in the back of their closets, which they
gladly parted with for between free and $5.

As to a commercial establishment, I don't know of one, but if youy
find one i would like the address.

Doug
  
-- 
This is my signature... 
Newsgroups: alt.sport.lasertag
From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Subject: Re: Anyone for tennis?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:07:28 GMT

mcsbc3ktp@dct.ac.uk writes:

>Am I the only person in the world who plays this game???

	No.  Lots of 'em don't have internet access!  :-)

>Or am I the only person boring enough to write about it???????!!!!!!!!

	No again.  Those without access will have a hard time doing so....

Seriously, the useage on this group has been far less than when I first 
had it created.  There seem to be a fair number of players, but many of
them really *don't* have access and many more of them don't care to
participate in this newsgroup.  Go figure.

Duane
From: amconn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bungee
Subject: Bungee sites?
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:20:03 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

Does anyone know of any bungee sites in the Midwest or Midsouth which are open
for business?

Connor/Castigat ridendo mores
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
From: bru@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com (25815-leary)
Subject: Re: Effectiveness of Black Rain conversion
Reply-To: bru@chaucer.cc.bellcore.com
Organization: Bellcore, Piscatawy, NJ
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 12:47:41 GMT

It seems to me that if the whole purpose of the Black Rain conversion is
to ensure that the gun only shoots gas (as opposed to liquid) then why
not just spend $25 on an anti siphon bottle conversion?
Incidentally, I thought their prices were a little lower than what was
posted ...<$200.

In article <wtk.6.0@po.cwru.edu>, wtk@po.cwru.edu (Will Kahle) writes:
> I have owned a PMI-3 for over a year now and I have made many changes to 
> increase it's accuracy.  What I want to know is if the Black Rain conversion 
> is really worth $250.  If anyone has had first hand experience with the 
> Black Rain conversion, I would appreciate any information about it.  Thank 
> you.


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From: agillum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Gillum)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Effectiveness of Black Rain conversion
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:05:11 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

The idea is not, just to stop the gun from shooting liquid. The conversion 
increases the gas efficency by almost 200% I believe.


Aaron Gillum
agillum@magnusug.acs.ohio-state.edu
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: gun suggestions?
Keywords: gun
Date: 27 Sep 92 00:50:43 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <sc9659.717109999@eehp29> sc9659@eehp29.cen.uiuc.edu (Sean Walker Castette) writes:
> I am looking to buy a gun and would like to know 
> what guns people suggest for usew both in the
>    
>   winter in Illinois and the summer in Louisiana.
>
> please aid a newcomer.
>.
Hmm, another toughie.

WIth the current situation in paintball, if you ask 100 people to name the
ideal paintgun you'll probably get 100 different answers.  There are a few
which stands out because they are exceptional and a few stand out because
they are of poor quality.

Read rec.sport.paintball for additional advice.

BTW I haven't heard anything bad about F-1 Illustrators and PMI-3s on
rec.sport.paintball.  That should give you something to start researching
to see if they fit your needs.

-- 
" I am from the planet Larson on the far side of the Galaxy" said the
space cow invading St. Canard -Dark Wing Duck

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Newsgroups: alt.sport.paintball