HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: When is the tick counter incremented?
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:58:30 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Aug26.185150.22795@julian.uwo.ca> hackett@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Mike Hackett) writes:
>[...] after
>reading TN #39 several times, I'm not entirely sure exactly when the tick
>counter is incremented.

From page 14-22 of Toolbox Reference 1, "GetTick":

   Returns the current value of the tick counter.  The value will be
   incremented only if the Heartbeat Interrupt handler is installed
   (always true if the Event Manager is active) and VBL interrupts are
   enabled. [...]

From this you can (correctly) conclude that the same routine that dispatches
control to Heartbeat tasks increments the tick count.

>The note seems to suggest that the vertical
>blanking interrupt occurs at line 192.  (Actually, it often refers to the
>vertical blanking actually occurring at 192, but this is not true.) [...]

You have the July 1989 versions of GS TN #39 and #40, right?  Near the end,
39 says outright, "Note that the VBL interrupts always trigger at scan line
192, even in the Super Hi-Res display mode."

Once you forgive both notes for not distinguishing between *actual* vertical
blanking and the point where the VBL interrupt triggers & the $C019 switch
twiddles, I believe they are accurate.

(I thought so in April 1989, too, when I pulled my first all-nighter in DTS
playing with various little mini-assembler programs to do strange things to
the border color based on $C02E and $C019 to answer a developer's question
and then revise the notes.)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian Schmidt)
Subject: Re: ProTerm 3.0/VT-100 emulator/vi editor
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:10:16 GMT

[PT3 and vi don't get along]

Dunno 'bout vi (ick) but Proterm 3.0p's VT-100 gets along quite nicely with
both Emacs and the VAX EVE Editor.  Therefore, if you have the patched PT3
maybe you need to rebind some keys or something.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: isc10327@nusunix3.nus.sg (ONG TAT-WEE)
Subject: Re: Blackout Virus
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:58:56 GMT

bslog@pro-scat.cts.com (Bill Logsdon) writes:
: 
: Anybody out there have a prog - or make a recommendation to eliminate the
: "Blackout" virus?
: 
	Hi, use the Salvation virus killer (can't remember the name :)
from Vitesse, Inc.

- DOTW -

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: ltchean@rambutan.iss.nus.sg (lim thye chean)
Subject: Re: Blue Helmet & TimeLord
Reply-To: ltchean@iss.nus.sg (lim thye chean)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 05:40:59 GMT

In article <kNiDqB19w165w@bluemoon.rn.com> djredick@bluemoon.rn.com (Darrin J. Redick) writes:
>spector@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector) writes:
>
>> 
>>   I just saw a copy of FTA's "Blue Helmet" and DWS's "TimeLord" demo floating
>> around on a local BBS. Unfortunately, it's very unlikely I'd be able to get
>> these from there, yet I'm wondering why someone hasn't uploaded the two 
>> demo/games to comp.binaries.apple2 or an FTP site. I'm fairly sure they've
>> been put into the public-domain as they're merely demos....
>> 
>>   I'd -very- much like to see both! Can someone let me know if they're alread
>> available on certain online services (GEnie, AOL) or an FTP?
>> 
>> 
>Don't waste your time with Blue Helmet.  It's unfinished, and you cannot
>turn the car very far going through curves.  It's simply not worth it.

Mitchell Spector, don't listen to him. Blue Helmet is the fastest car
racing game on the GS. Although it is unfinished, but it is actually quite
fun to play (I am also a fan of OutRun and Amiga's Lotus, and Blue Helmet is
really very fast compare to them). On my system, it runs at 23.5 frames per
seconds, really very impressive.

I like this game. Anybody willing to finish it? I am willing to pay $25
shareware fees for it if it is finished.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: joko@well.sf.ca.us (Joe Kohn)
Subject: Re: Experience with Sequential Systems memory board
Keywords: GS memory board Sequential Systems LRO
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 18:10:14 GMT


To: Glenn Hoffman
Re: Sequential Systems 4 meg RAM card for the IIGS

I bought one of them at KansasFest, and am sure glad I did. Highly
recommended. Joe K says "5 stars. Check it out".

Joe Kon
(yikes. I should be able to spell my own name. Let's try again...)

Joe Kohn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: dsdd@okcforum (Roy Barrett)
Subject: CHEAP HARDWARE, MAC/PC/][!
Originator: news@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 01:50:32 GMT

______ 
\    /\ Vintage Apple Classifieds
 \  /  \
  \/____\
________________________________________________________________________________
1. Laser 128

   Laser 128 Computer with 128k RAM (originally $600), Avatex 2400 baud modem
   w/ Front Panel display/buttons and CCITT v.22bis (originally $150),
   3 5.25" Drives (originally $1100, around ][+ days.), thousands of disks full
   of software, old and new (originally $3000) PD/SW and Copyright (Originals, 
   of course) and all Manuals and Cables! Also with a free monitor and
   Appleworks v3.0! Plus great programs like The New Print Shop, ProTERM 3.0,
   And TONS more!
   You may say, Ahh, this must cost a FORTUNE! well, it did, but maybe I'll let
   it go for $1000, NO, even LOWER! It's worth about $3000 retail, and it's a
   clean, barely used computer! Hmm, you must think I'm insane, but at these
   prices, I must be!                Total Price - $325

2. Panasonic KXP-1124 Printer

   Top of the line 24-pin printer with *6* Resident fonts, and the fastest  
   24-pin printer around! Bought for $500, we will sell for $260 obo.

3. PC Transporter Turbo 14Mhz + 8087-2

   Applied Engineering PC Transporter (originally $800) with a 14 MHz 8086/8
   with the fastest 8087-2 (originally $200) with GS Installation kit
   (originally $100) and MS-DOS v5.0 (originally $100) and Windows 3.1
   (originally $100) and America Online (originally $25) for the crazy low
   price of $250 (originally $1400)

4. Sonic Blaster with external amplified speakers

   Sonic Blaster (originally $300) with Labtec Speakers (originally $40) and
   Hi-Fi Microphone (originally $30) for the special low price of $120



--

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From: foegelle@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Foegelle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Woz //gs's
Keywords: Apple //gs FOREVER!
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:55:56 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <BtBvBL.7rp@cmptrc.lonestar.org> jwoods@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Jeff Woods) writes:

>
>By the way, I think the designations for "D connectors" are:
>    DA - 36 (?) pin
>    DB - 25 pin  (hence the popular term "DB-25 connector")
>    DC - 19 (?) pin
>    DD - 15 pin
>    DE - 9 pin

I don't know where you came up with that notation, but in any parts catalog
I've ever used, all D-subminiature connectors are referenced as DB connectors,
where the number following indicates the number of pins.  That is typically 
followed by a "P" or an "S" to indicate male or female, but in any case, 
the Apple uses a DB-9 for the game port, a DB-25 (on the //e) for the serial 
port, a DB-25 for the SCSI port, and I believe a DB-15 for the RGB monitor and
a DB-19 for the Smartport.

(If there was a different letter designation for each type, then there's be no
need for the number of pins to follow.  And the highest DB is apparently a 
DB-37 (always an odd number of pins!).  Now there are other connectors with
the same trapezoidal outline but more than two rows of pins.  Those connectors
have different designations. (An example would be an IBM VGA monitor connector.)

Michael Foegelle



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From: unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (tuu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: UniDos
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:55:08 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


In article <1992Aug27.112001.718@cas.org> lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) writes:
}There were 3 packages for using Dos 3.3 on 3.5" disks.  The first was shareware
}by Gary Little, who after that point went to work for Apple.  I think
}it's name was Unidos.  He removed it from the market when a lot of folks
}took copies from Compuserve but didn't pay the shareware fee.

Actually, Gary Little's was AmDOS. I checked with him, and he still does
sell it, for $20. 

You can contact him at Gary_Little@gateway.qm.apple.com or 
Gary Little
3304 Plateau Drive
Belmont, CA 94002

AmDOS works on 3.5" disks only, not on hard drives (more on that later).

}The next was a commercial product by Nibble - I forget what it's name was.

UniDOS was Nibble's product.

}Anyways, the last is the only still available commercial product, called
}DOS Master, by Glen Bredon.  Check the mail order houses or see if the

As stated above, you can still get AmDOS, and if you only want to use 
3.5" drives, it is cheaper than DOS Master so might be preferable.

DOS Master works with hard drives also. I don't own it, but have read through
the manual.  It makes DOS 3.3 volumes _inside_ of ProDOS volumes on hard 
disks.. and also works on 3.5" disks.. whether it uses a special method for
3.5" disks or treats them as just prodos devices I do not know.  I mention that
since ProDOS 8 also includes a program to split 800K 3.5" disks into two 400K
"DOS 3.3" volumes.  

Note that UniDOS, AmDOS, and DOS Master are incompatible with each other..
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From: Rob_Long@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Rob Long)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Software Wanted!
Distribution: world
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:21:31 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

     Wanted apple //e software, any condition, commercial or PD

thanks, email or send a list with prices to:

Rob Long

2121 E. Camp #30

Ely, MN 55731


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: tooly@zelator.in-berlin.de (Theo Schneider)
Subject: Fast 65816
Organization: Puplic-Access-Xenix-System
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 17:50:33 GMT

Hi there,

i miss the first messages about the new 65816 from WDC.
Please can anybody send me the order # from WDC !

Best regards from Germany

  Theo

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: grover@emunix.emich.edu (Grover Thomas)
Subject: Re: Apple's Education sales and stats
Organization: Eastern Michigan University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:03:04 GMT

In article <01GO43XLP31C8WW17U@scorva> CAPTANSKI33@SNYCORVA.BITNET (CHRIS TANSKI) writes:
>I don't think that teachers are turning to PC's in fact I think that most
>schools are continuing to buy Apple II's and Macs. Mostly because IBM's
>seem to be to complicated to use. And those companies know it. Why else do
>you think Microsoft created Windows. Because they wanted IBM's to be more
>like Mac's and the IIGS. No, I don't think apple's losing business to IBM.
>It's probably the opposite.

From what I can tell, schools are still happy to buy Apple IIs, but Apple
is making them harder and harder to obtain in favor of the Mac.  I don't
know of any schools around here that "network" any of their machines
(each computer has a disk drive) so they don't have any interest in
doign a LAN with a few expensive Macintoshes.

Once the Apple IIs are completely unavailable to educators, I think many
more will begin switching to IBM clones, simply becuase they're cheap
and prevailent in the computing world.  Some will also stick to the
Apple (Mac!) brand label, but they're really just too expensive for
many (most?) school districts.

I've also seen school catalogs from the educational suppliers like
Sunburst and MECC, and the software offerings are mostly 128K Apple II
and IBM, with relatively few Mac programs.  Okay, this may change, but
it still may be an important factor to many schools.             

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From: IBY236@URIACC.URI.EDU (Andy Kress)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: The IIgs 640x200 Graphics mode
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:22:17 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Internet


   Situation:
       Ever notice in AWGS that a Word Processing documents take up the
  full width of the screen?  Or that in GWIII you cant fit the whole
  width of the the document on the screen due to the tools on the left?
       Now...have you ever used a Mac with a 640x480 screen and notice
  that documents have lots of extra room one the left or right?

       Why should this be????  We have the same horizontal resolution!

       Well I did some tests just to see why this is and here is what I
  came up with.  I went on a Mac and made an MSWord window the width of
  the screen and made it roughly 175 pixels down. (The window was 639x175)
  Then I filled one line on the window with HHHH's in Courier 12point.
  Then I screen captured the window and GIFed it.  I unGIFed it on the GS
  and it looked just as it did on the Mac except it was elongated. (We are
  all used to this by now!)  The only major difference was that the ruler
  was smaller...Meaning if you take a ruler and measure the ruler on the
  screen you will notice the MSWord ruler's inches are smaller than actual
  inches.  Now if you do that same thing in AWGS the inches line up.
        This is why you get less room on the GS screen horizontally!  On the
  GS there are more pixels used to represent an actual inch.  Is there anyway
  around this?  I mean we are alreay used to the verticle being off who cares
  if the horizontal is if we get more room to work with?
        The wierd thing was that I typed HHHH's useing the GS under the HHH's
  I typed on the Mac and they were the SAME EXACT WIDTH!  So on the Mac you
  get less characters per inch!  This doesnt make much sense to me....If any
  one can comment I'd love to hear it.  And if anyone can get GWIII to use
  these "smaller" inches Ill praise the ground you walk on!
        BTW....If anyone is interested in seeing the graphic file I used
  to see this just send me a note and Ill pass it on.

 +--------------+-------------------------+----------------------------+
 |  Andy Kress  |  Univ. of Rhode Island  |  IBY236 AT URIACC.URI.EDU  |
 +--------------+--------+----------------+----------------------------+
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Subject: Re: Ramfast and Tape Backup units..
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 09:49:43 GMT

behrenss@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Soenke Behrens) writes:

>I know all that. What _I_ was trying to get across is: It is CV Tech's
>"duty" to supply decent drivers. Why didn't they do it the way Apple did?
>This concept of a supervisory driver with associated device drivers is
>really very powerful and flexible ... I like it.

I like it too. However, it is a LOT more work. Note how Apple did not have a
full set of SCSI drivers until system 6 -- and they were still working on the
SCSI.Manager all through the various 5.0.x revisions. CVT has chosen the cost
effective approach of writing a basic block-only driver, and while I too would
really like to see a RAMFAST.Manager, I can understand why CVT has avoided
doing so.

>It is _not_ (as you suggested) up to the programmer to build handling of
>certain devices hard-coded into his/her/its programs. This is the purpose
>of the OS, which of course includes any installed drivers.

I did not suggest that it is up to the programmer. I said that was one of the
options you, as a programmer, had, given what's available.

>Ok, now let's lay this thread to rest, shall we?

Fine by me. Your true beef is with CVT. If I can think of a tactful way to
suggest this to Drew on Genie, I'll do it, but he leaps to the defensive so
quickly you really have to be careful.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu
From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: PNP DEMO Fixed (Re: PnP Demo)
Keywords: does it work?
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:16:04 GMT
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.

jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca (Jerry Penner) writes:

>I have downloaded PnP.Demo.SHK and it doesn't work.  GSHK unpacks it
>fine (ie. reports no maladies), and I can view the dox, etc, but when
>it runs, the text screen goes to gibberish and then the screen
>blackens and the thing hangs.

>Suggestions anyone?  Does it fiddle with my battery RAM or something
>(like checking if a certain value > X, and not running if so??)  Maybe
>sticking my name in the BRAM wasn't a good idea?? :)

  PNP doesn't futz with any BRAM settings.

  Evidently it worked on all of our machines, and on all our tester's
machines, but nobody else's :-( 

  BUT- we figured out the problem and I just posted the patch program that fixes it to comp.binaries.apple2.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Flopticals...any successful usage out there?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:16:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.045333.6530@cco.caltech.edu> toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel) writes:

[ ]
>
>Not any more; last night I read on Genie that Tulin's drive can now work with
>the DMA SCSI -- I'm supposed to call Tulin for details. My guess is that Insite
>revised the mechanism to make it pretend there is no media until after it's
>determined the type; this way the "what size are you" request gets answered
>immediately and the DMA SCSI is happy. I'll be calling Tulin on Monday to find
>out more, since I definitely want a revised mechanism if that's what it is.

Does this imply that MO's will work (the 3.5" 128meg ones)?
 
Philip

Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: toddpw@cco.caltech.edu (Todd P. Whitesel)
Subject: Re: Flopticals from AE
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 05:24:33 GMT

unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (tuu) writes:

>I just saw an external PLI floptical drive at CompUSA for $499.  So when
>these compatibility issues are definitively worked out, be assured you'll
>be able to get them much cheaper than AE's.

I do NOT recommend the PLI drive. I bought one, and normal SCSI use fried
part of the drive. Calls to PLI tech support revealed that the PLI case has
a funky "active terminator" that figures out if there is another device in
the chain and disables the internal terminator when appropriate. However,
this requires that the host cable be plugged into the top port or else you
might fry the circuit. Suffice it to say that products which outsmart
themselves don't rate highly with me. I sent mine back and went with Tulin.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ cco.caltech.edu

P.S. Current word from Tulin is that they have written a DMA SCSI driver for
their floptical. I'm calling back tomorrow for tech info. If it can mount Mac
formatted 1.44 meg floppies, I think I'll pick up a used DMA SCSI just to use
with the floptical.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Flopticals...any successful usage out there?
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 11:24:26 GMT

In article <fmlin.1bfw@terapin.com> fmlin@terapin.com (Frank M. Lin) writes:
>Humm... just saw MASS Micro Systems' floptical.  I think this one looks the
>BEST!
>
>When RF will work correctly ( 1.44 floppies ) with Insite, I'll buy one!
>
>I'd say forget AE.  If you buy a floptical from AE for your Apple II, I'm
>pretty sure AE'll make you call the 900 line if you need help.

Not to defend AE too strongly, but I do take exception to this. Lot's of 
companies have 900 numbers. Most don't have 800 numbers for tech support
and virtually none have neither from Canada.
 
Why would you expect any more support from Mass Micro?
 
Philip
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: swiet@whatever.cs.jhu.edu (Alexander Swietlicki)
Subject: Re: I/O Controller
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 20:34:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.131508.259@lrc.edu> rheinze@lrc.edu writes:
>I have an old II+ that I would like to use to control 
>various items in my house.  Years ago there was an I/O
>board for the II+ that allowed one to hook up the controller
>system now sold by Radio Shack (I think).   This is the
>system that turns lights, appliances, etc on/off.
>
>Does anyone have one of those old I/O boards or know where
>I can find it?   I think Mountain Computer might have made it.

	I think Applied Engineering used to make something like this.
They still make Apple ][ stuff?
From: colbyp@pro-freedom.cts.com (Colby Pederson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Apple III
Date: 29 Aug 92 19:33:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Aug29.123329.1600
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)


  I was looking in the Nickel Ads and saw that someone was selling an Apple
III for $95.  It didn't say what shape it is in.  I was wondering how much
they really are worth?  Thanks.

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