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From: phs172m@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Stephen Harker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 and Ramdisks
Summary: Repost
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:53:44 GMT
Reply-To: phs172m@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Followup-To: comp.sys.apple2


	This is a repost as the previous post does not seem to have got
anywhwere, like a few other posts I have made recently.  Our newsreader has
gone back to a previous version and is highly buggy at present.

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
In article <1992Apr8.183128.1629@colorado.edu>, hartkopf@spot.Colorado.EDU (Jeff Hartkopf) writes:
> In article <9204080451.AA21005@bluffs.scar.utoronto.ca> tcomtaob@BLUFFS.SCAR.UTORONTO.CA (Brian Tao) writes:
>>    On a related note (this is to everyone):  Anyone notice strange things
>>happening when doing a disk-to-disk copy from a 3.5" disk to an 800K
>>RAM disk with a ZipGS at 8 MHz or faster?  The floppy is read in, but when
>>it comes to writing the data out to the RAM disk, the Finder ejects the
>>3.5 and promptly tells me that I shouldn't eject disks prematurely!!! 
>>Honest to God, I didn't touch anything!
> 
> Yes, the same thing happens on my system.  Basically I can't do disk-to-disk
> copies using the Finder.  I haven't tried doing a copy to a RAM disk; it
> happens while copying from one 3.5" to another.
> 
> I have a Zip GS too; I haven't tried disabling it to see if that is what
> is causing the problem.

	While I don't have a Zip GS I _do_ have some strange behaviour when
copying from one 3.5" to another with Finder 6 (and system 6 - GS/OS 4.01 of
course) and a single 3.5" drive.  If the disks have more files than fit in the
disk window, and I use shift-clicking to copy a variety of files including some
that don't show in the window when I finally drag the files, then I often end
up with some "ghosted" files showing below the disk window!  These ghosted
files disappear as soon as anything is moved over their position.  Another
problem is that after such a copy and the resultant disk swapping I often end
up with the disk left in the 3.5" drive not highlighted and the icons for its
files dimmed.

	The only program I have had problems with running under system 6 is
Orca Desktop Disassembler.  I have not had time to do much to track this down. 
A fine upgrade and I am still most impressed with it.

	My system is a ROM 01 `Woz' GS with a 2MB GSRam+ card, HS SCSI card in
slot 7 a 40MB Quantum drive and a MDIdeas stereo card in slot 3.

-- 
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From: jimwong@owlnet.rice.edu (Jim Wong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: GSOS system6 and DOS
Date: 5 Apr 1992 21:21:14 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Apr5.124210.14144@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bp664@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Grover Thomas) writes:
>
>However, if you are speaking distincly about the disk part of the OS,
>that tends to be referred to as HFS (hihg-Performance File System).
>IBM OS/2 has its own HFS to replace the older DOS, although it will
>still be able to read (IBM) DOS disks.

HFS stands for Hierchical File System, and refers to the format data is
stored on disks. HFS isn't really part of the Macintosh OS, any more
than ProDOS is part of GS/OS.  Just as you can read and write to
different file systems with a GS, using FSTs, you can use special
Macintosh extensions (called File System Managers, I think) to do rougly
the same thing.


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From: q4kx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Joel Sumner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Two 6.0 incompatibilities
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:59:26 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

I have noticed two incompatibilities from 6.0

1) CDEV.COLOR (which changes the background to a pattern or picture)
does not release some Bank 0 & Bank 1 memory, so it is impossible to run
a ProDOS 8 application from GS/OS because the memory manager returns
a $201 error.  I tried tracking down WHAT memory is not being released
but the hang is so bad that I can't get into GSBug (to jump into niftylist)

2) Snowterm hangs around start time.  No explanation so far.

Has anyone heard from Gene Snow or the author of CDEV.COLOR?
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
From: benson@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Paul BaJa Benson)
Subject: Re: RSounder
Organization: Vanderbilt Univ., Engineering (SERG), Nashvegas, TN
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 20:29:01 GMT

 Gee, I'm _really_ sorry I posted to csa2.  I know better, but I guess
 that's what happens when you submit at 4am.  Still can't believe I did it,
 should I repost to cba2?  Probably not.  So please, no flames!
-- 
  Paul 'BaJa' Benson
  Vanderbilt University - Space Electronics Research Group
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From: paintmaster@pro-columns.cts.com (Paul Dambrauskas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: **** APPLE IIGS SYSTEM FOR SALE ****
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:37:34 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-columns] Arlington, VA  703.237.4915

Would you be willing to get rid of some separate parts of the hardware?
 
                                   Paul Dambrauskas
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From: toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: //gs Word Processor?
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:48:27 GMT
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.

tim.c@pro-freedom.cts.com (Tim Craven) writes:

> I have heard that Graphic Writer III is a good GS type word processor.
> Also Beagle Bros has -- BeagleWrite GS which should also be a good one to
> consider but I have not heard as much on it  as Graphic Writer.
> 
> Tim


BeagleWrite is actually just MultiScribe GS 3.0 (Styleware), with a Beagle 
Bros. about box. They bought it when StyleWare, er, bought it. I think they 
also bought Top Draw (is there a Beagle Draw?) which is even more buggy than 
MS 3.0.

Marc

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From: jpenne@ee.ualberta.ca (Jerry Penner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Why no Small C?
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:43:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: ee.jpenne.702654195
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada

mark@trillian.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Manning) writes:

>Well, actually, since the printf() function is so complex, I thought
>that there would be sub-functions which dealt with each of the needed
>parts (ints, chars, floats, strings, etc....).  In this way the function
>is passed the pointer to where the string resides, the function decides
>ahead of time which of the lower level sub-functions are needed, alters
>the linker to this, and only loads in those sections which are required.
>Thus the number of bytes are greatly reduced since those sub-functions
>not required are ever loaded.

That's a cool idea, but it's kind of hard for the function to be run
at compile time to check which routine it needs loaded.  C compilers
just don't allow for this.  printf() is treated just like any other
function you might dream of coding up.  (Function as in C functions,
not as in mathematical functions).

>   There must be a million ways of doing something.
>   And we have only discussed a few.
>   Does that make mine any better?
>   Or yours the better clue?
>   No, I say we should go on learning.
>   Until we've seen them all.

Oh, but what if there are infinitely many options?  Ack!  :-)

>   And then we can start again.
>   By choosing a different hall.

Nice poem though, and I agree we should try to think of and listen to
other points of view when trying to do something.  But to get anything
done on time (& budget) you usually have to cut the search for clues
down to about a handful for any reasonably complex problem.
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From: nuke@pro-acsd.cts.com (Robert Furman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: WANTED: UDC CARD FOR APPLE ][E
Date: 6 Apr 92 05:19:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: crash.1992Apr06.051942.6681
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

Looking for an Universal Disk Controller card for an apple ][e, If you got
one please send me e-mail and we'll deal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: GOO@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Kent Radek)
Subject: Re: Minimum RAMFast ROMs
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:40:50 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

kreme@isis.cs.du.edu writes:

> From the things I have heard from CV people, I don't think I have any
> interest in buying a product from them.  Besides, my HS-SCSI serves me
> quite well and is compatible with everything, something I can't say for
> the RAMFasts which seem to have numerous problems with the current OS.

It may help you feel slightly less inferior for owning a HS-SCSI by making
a statement like that, but I, for one, have had System 6.0 running flawlessly
on my GS...which happens to be equipped with TWO OLD RamFast controllers.  I
guess those "numerous problems" just have me licked!

goo

p.s. I don't care who came up with the remapping code and who stole it from
whom...I just like the way it works.

p.p.s. I did not intend this post to be any sort of flame toward you...so I
apologise if that's your impression.  It just seemed a tad patronizing for
you to slam RamFast owners/CV Tech.
From: mday@apple.com (Mark Day)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: AppleTalk and the //c
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:16:13 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Apr2.055004.26937@news.iastate.edu>, ddkilzer@iastate.edu (David D Kilzer) writes:
> 
> Here's the question:  I have a ROM 02 Apple //c (with the infamous
> AppleTalk firmware built-in) and I want to know if it can be connected
> to an AppleTalk network.  If I do a "pr#7" from BASIC, I get the
> "AppleTalk Offline" error message, but can I really connect?

No.  They were just "making room" in case a future version of the //c
supported AppleTalk.  So far, that hasn't happened.

-Mark Day, Apple II Networking
mday@apple.com, Mark_Day@gateway.qm.apple.com
From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian R Schmidt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,from.socal.com
Subject: Re: $DB02
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:36:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Apr13.143626.20694
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

Well, this is better covered in a File Type Note by those wacky guys at Apple,
but here's the meaning of the S16 auxtypes:

(note, this assumes the high byte is $DB, if its not this def. for the lobyte
doesn't apply)

Bit   What
---   ----
0     1=Uses class 1 GS/OS calls/prefixes 8 and up  0= Uses P16 calls
1     1=Desktop application which starts at least the Desk Mgr. required tools
2     1=Aware of MessageCenter "Open" and "Print" messages
3     undefined/reserved

So, if bit 1 is set AND you use the StartUpTools mechanism, you get the new
SmoothLaunch, and the gnifty gnew Desktop Application icon.  Otherwise you
don't. :)


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From: meekins@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (Tim Meekins)
Subject: Re: System 6 Launcher!
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 01:57:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.212759.2359@xcluud.sccsi.com> gtolar@xcluud.sccsi.com (Glynne Tolar) writes:
>In article <65212@apple.Apple.COM> shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) writes:
>>In article <PFuyiB4w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca> toh@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Marc Sira) writes:
>>
>>>Good idea...next Finder, perhaps? Andy?
>>
>>While I keep close tabs on what Dave's doing to the Finder now, I no longer
>>work for IIGS System Software.  I work for Ron Lichty with the Macintosh
>>Finder Team.  I -do- contribute every now and then (like trying to get the
>>Keyboard Navigation INIT written in one night at Dave's), but I'm no longer
>>directly responsible for the Apple IIGS Finder.
>>
>>andy
>>
>>-- 
>>Andy Nicholas			GEnie & America-Online: shrinkit
>>Apple Computer, Inc.		       	      InterNET: shrinkit@apple.com
>
>I just know I'm going to regret saying this but somehow I feel I must.
>I saw this comming from a mile away.  I knew Andy was only a temperary in the
>Apple II.  All this talk about how great MPW is.  SHEESH!  Apple does to its
>employes what it does to its customers.  Pulls them over to the Mac!  Apple's
>stradagy for the II is actually simple and smart if you want to save face.
>Pull as many over to the Mac then kill the II with the excuse that nobody uses
>it.  Gee!  Is it because they don't use it because the company does not really
>support it?  NAAAAAHHH!
>
>gtolar@xcluud.sccsi.com or uunet!nuchat!xcluud!gtolar
>OR User #1 @ Club Apple BBS 713-476-9998
>

Actually, Andy requested to work on the Mac Finder, he wasn't forced
to leave the A2 department. In fact, he was never asked to change departments.
Also, keep in mind, it is very common in computer companies to move
between departments once or twice a year. This is to keep the engineers
fresh and keep them from going wacko...besides, once one project is finished,
they can't do anything but work on a different project, even if in a different
department. But that doesn't mean they won't be back in 6 months. Besides,
maybe Andy will learn the dark secrets of MultiFinder and bring them to
the GS in years to come, but then, Jawaid and I might beat him :) he he...

TIM MEEKINS                    Ask me about GNO/ME! - MultiTasking on a IIGS!
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From: mattd@apple.com (Matt Deatherage)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6.0 BUGS
Date: 16 Apr 92 22:54:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: goofy.23442
Organization: Developer Technical Support, Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Apr13.030913.28034@news.iastate.edu>, irsman@iastate.edu (Ian R Schmidt) writes:
> 
> Get rid of the Easy Access INIT...AudioZap shuts off interrupts and with EA
> around this causes major screwage with the ADB :)
> 
>   Ian Schmidt | irsman@iastate.edu |  I signed the SEF petition!  Did you?

Shuts off interrupts?  I was thinking about downloading and trying this;
thanks for the warning.  Losing my AppleTalk network unexpectedly is real
high on my favorites list, right up there with "washing contact lenses
in Tabasco sauce."

============================================================================
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Support, Apple Computer, Inc.         | not those of Apple Computer, and
Personal mail only, please.  Thanks.  | shame on you for thinking otherwise.
^^^^^^^^ Technical questions are not personal. Please post them instead.
============================================================================
From: wsheffield@pro-ace.cts.com (Wayne Sheffield)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Zip Init 1.2...
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:35:10 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: ProLine [pro-ace]

In <m0lYNWd-0000PpC@crash.cts.com>
ferret@gnh-cathouse.cts.com (Brendan Hoar) writes:

>New problem under 6.0.  This has NOT been tracked down to a single cause.
>
>Anyway, the ZipInit seems to be flakey.  I have ZipGS.Sys16 on /h1 (my boot

I am having NO problem with any of my Zip Stuff with System 6!  Sorry to hear
about your problems, but I can offer no clues.

>
>Oh another thing.  I use setstart to run ProSEL 8.69 on boot.  If I run GS/OS
>programs from it, it works fine.  If I launch basic.system, then bye, it
>returns me to the Finder.  Whats the explanation (it still lists ProSEL as my
>startup app in setstart)?

        I use wings versus finder or prosel.  I also inactivated setstart. 
All of my programs properly return to wings - I only see the finder when I
want to.  I suggest that you do an install of prosel, (to make it the start
program), and inactivate the setstart init.

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From: bclark@amiganet.chi.il.us (Brian Clark)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: System 6 Icons question
Date: 4 Apr 92 23:58:27 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

In article <64680@apple.Apple.COM>, dlyons@Apple.COM (David A Lyons) writes:
 
>The CDev.Data file is indeed worth it.  Try it:  Throw out CDev.Data and
>open Control Panels (time it with a stopwatch).  Then close Control Panels
>and open it again.  It's faster.  (Just now I got 10.9 and 3.3 seconds.
>It makes the difference between unacceptable speed and acceptable speed.)
 
Okay, I tried it... you're right... its really does speed things up. 8^)
 
>The Control Panels NDA rebuilds CDev.Data based on the names and create
>dates of your control panels--the speed increase comes from not having
>to open and read the individual control panel files, if the information
>cached in CDev.Data seems to be already up to date.
>
>Editing a Control Panel's icon is not a typical case--only the control
>panel's author usually does that.  It doesn't bother me that in the
>special case you have to manually throw out CDev.Data (or change the
>create date).
 
Yeah, I agree the author is/should be the one editing the icon.  In this
case (which is not typical as you say) I just wanted to get rid of what
I considered a hideous looking icon and replace it with something nicer.
 
>BTW, it uses the create date rather than the mod date so that CDev.Data
>does not get rebuilt superflously if a control panel, say, writes to
>its resource fork.  (Not recommended for network compatibility, but
>certainly possible.)
 
The correct way to support network compatability would be to use the @:
prefix right?  If a CDev/Init/NDA/etc.. wants to save something like
preference settings, we could use create/maintain a file at @: prefix.
Does this hold true for applications also?  I notice the Finder appears
to save pref settings in its own resource fork, what happens if a user
boots over an AppleTalk network?  It would need write access to the rfork
(to save prefs at least).  Plus, would every network user being using the
same preference settings then?  Or am I completely mis-understanding
something?

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From: blackman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Scott M. Blackman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: EasyMount and Aufs
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:25:46 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <22986@goofy.Apple.COM> mday@apple.com (Mark Day) writes:
>... you
>might want to use an alias rather than mounting the volume at boot time.
>To get EasyMount (which makes aliases work) and the FolderPriv CDEV ...
>
>-Mark Day, Apple II Networking
>mday@apple.com, Mark_Day@gateway.qm.apple.com

Has anyone had trouble with EasyMount on Unix file servers?  We have
Unix boxes running Aufs under CAP 6.0, and I have the following
problem:

I can create server aliases with the Finder Extra, but when I
run EasyMount by doubleclicking on the alias icon, EasyMount reports "No
recognizable login sequence."  This happens for all Unix servers I have
accessed, but not (obviously) for System 7.0 servers.

Anyone else seen this, or is peculiar to here?


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From: amritc@pro-hindugods.cts.com (Amrit S. Chauhan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: System 6.0 -- Where do we stand?
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:02:26 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

You know, I don't have my copy of System 6 yet.  I ordered it from
ByteWorks Inc. about three months ago...you know...that big programming
thing they were doing?  Anyway, it'll be here pretty soon.

I'd like to know where we stand in terms of bugs right now.  There are so
many that have been posted to sys-apple2, and it's hard to make a coherent
picture of them all...some of them are similar, and may be related, while
others are coming way off the wall and don't seem to have any relation to
other reports.

Is there ever going to be a listing of bugs posted for us to watch out for,
or are we all just going to have to wait for System 6.01?

Amrit

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From: irsman@iastate.edu (Ian R Schmidt)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Orca assembler weirdness
Date: 15 Apr 92 04:35:09 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA

In article <e8oL0224cbLf00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fadden@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden) writes:
>I typed in and assembled the following under Orca/M 2.0:
>
>foo1       DATA
>bar        equ   $00
>           END
>
>
>foo2       DATA
>bar        equ   $00
>           END
>
>
>foo3       START
>           lda   bar
>           END
>
>The assembler had no problems.  The linker gave me two errors: in foo2,
>it said that "bar" was redefined.  In foo3, it said that "bar" was an
>unresolved reference.

Variables are global between data segments, but to make them accessable to 
code segments you must put in a "using" directive...as in

foo3       START
           using foo2 (or foo1, you're choice)
           lda bar
           END



>Makes you wonder what's getting fed to the linker.  Gotta love private global
>variables.

Its pretty simple when you read the manual ;-)

>-- 
>fadden@uts.amdahl.com (Andy McFadden)
>[ Above opinions are mine, Amdahl has nothing to do with them, etc, etc. ]



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From: daveharv@pro-tiger.UUCP (Dave Harvey-SysAdmin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: Re: Can I use Floptical drives (128M)
Date: 5 Apr 92 18:17:10 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Pro-tiger, Falls Church, Virginia, USA

In <BM1xnG.KJI@world.std.com> lucifer@world.std.com (Kevin S Green) writes:

>Thanks unknown & Craig. I'm a little more confident now, in case
>I decide to buy one. The prices I have seen are in the $1500
>range (from the various Mac mags). I do need removable storage

Those must have been very large capacity ones.  I'm interested in one I saw
advertized for $649.00.  Each floptical disk holds 20 mb.  It's made by
Digital Micronics, Inc.  What I find interesting is that flopical drives, (
or at least this design), can read and write to normal 1.44 mb disks.

  
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