From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood - EVENSONG)
Subject: Re: Hunters Needed
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:17:47 GMT

vanetten@unix.cie.rpi.edu (John S. Van Etten) writes:

`James M Hoskins writes:

`>Two points and a question:  1)  People, especially people who live in
`>urban areas, will not know many hunters nowadays.  The stereotype is
`>easily made--Jennifer probably (I hope) likes many people she knows who are
`>meat eaters, obviously they just didn't personally kill their lunch;

`I'm disinclined to agree.  They did just kill their lunch, no matter
`how much people don't want to admit to it.

They through their need and desire to eat meat are the ultimate cause for
the death of the animal, but I should point out, that they are either choosing
to pay someone else to kill it for them or pay some one so they don't even
have to think about it at all.

`And 99 times out of a
`hundred it was in a more cruel fashion than at a hunter's gun.  That's
`the key.  The stuff sold in supermarkets and restaurants is DEAD
`ANIMALS.  Period.  (Note -- it doesn't make them bad people for eating
`pre-killed animals, but I do have a problem if they (or AR-types)
`somehow think they are better than hunters because of it.  When I drop
`a deer with one shot from my .284, I can sleep at night.


`  I've also
`seen veal calves raised in factory farms and seen them butchered, and
`I don't eat veal unless served to me because of it.

Small world, because neither do I.  However, as a result of the hype
that I have seen lately from the AR groups blowing everything out of
proportion and using old news for modern efforts, I am looking into 
the current state of calf handling in case I was duped by AR-heads.

`>2)  in spite of the almost unanimous good sense and tolerance
`>exhibited by the hunters in this group with their lofty goals of only
`>hunting what they eat and aiming for a quick kill there are slob hunters
`>out there who a) enjoy killing and b) could care less if the animals
`>suffers when they kill;

`Yes, there are.  They are small in number (fortunately) and we try
`very hard to police our own ranks.  We need
`less of the "good ole boy" mentality and more policing of slob
`hunters.  I agree.

Yes, same as there are people who drive cars that drink or get reckless.
But the fact is that most of these hunters are ALREADY BREAKING LAWS.
Same as with most of the stuff that AR-heads are champing about.  And the
real hunters are in fact doing there best to police this.  I went to my
stand this morning to find a lot of the things that I put out stolen.
I am not mad at hunters for that (hell it could have even been a AR-head)
just at the asshole who took it.  The bad seed if you were.

`>3)  I have such a fellow who hunts on the farmland I rent.  I suspect
`>he is up in his deer stand drinking beer while he waits for his deer.
`>I am not saying that he is drunk; he probably puts down a 12 pack per
`>day regardless of whether he is hunting or not.  Because I am not a
`>hunter I want to know if among hunters drinking beer while hunting is
`>just considered "slob hunting" or in fact is illegal in certain states?

When I go north for opening day, I am disgusted to see that most of the
bars are full until 2:00 A.M.  I however also play in a band, and
whenever possible book jobs in these north woods bars during the
hunting season (so I can get a paid hunting vacation - not bad).  When
I am there, though I keep personal opinions off the stage in unfamiliar
clubs, I do talk to the hunters in the audience and have successfully
encouraged abstinance and in fact find most of the guys are there
for the company and a burger.  I mean hell, these guys are going out
in the woods at as early as 5:00 A.M. the next morning with guys shooting
around them.

I have used a combination of my Car phone and my Ham radio to turn in
many people violation what I consider to be my stomping grounds when
it comes to hunting (which basically includes any and all public lands)
from vandalism to littering to poaching and O.R.V.

swood
-- 
Michigan Archery deer season opens October 1st!!!!!
 I will be sure to be out there, enjoying the sunrise and watching the
  critters roam about.  Whether or not I get a deer, the sunrise will
   still be there, and so will I.
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