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From: ed@Tekelec.Com (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: heyuk! be 'murkin to!
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 21:43:46 GMT

In article <2134@admin.mport.COM> max@admin.mport.COM (Max) writes:


>look, all bs aside, the japaneese motor industry 
>provides products that just are not made here. an
>inline four cylender mc is one of them. you can call them "rice", 
>you can claim they suck, but you cant get an american 
>one. just as you sent your $$ overseas for that vcr to 
>watch tv with, i paid an american friend my $$ for
>a type of bike that america dosent make. 

    So, where were you when they WERE made here? I know there were at
least 3 US companies that made motorcycles with inline 4 cylinder engines 
(some with shaft drive) long before the imports "invented" them.

>a very real point here is that the us economy is being mismanaged. there
>is a real trade deficit with the far east, but the federal govt is blasting
>holes in our economy that are even bigger. holding the japaneese as a
>scapegoat for all of our economic problems is a sheeplike denial of the
>fact that we have speant too much time building up the military (ask me how
>i know!) and not enough time building things that bring home the bacon.

   That is not the way it is. The feds do not build much of anything. The
(late) USSR government tried building everything and look where they are
today. It is a fact that when your primary exports are money and jobs,
you will eventually run out of both. Who is exporting this? The government
is sending some money out in the form of aid and questionably collectable
loans, such as aid to Somolia and recostruction assistance to Russia and
associates, but few will argue that this is not a reasonable investement.
The government buys few imports, especially for the military, because this
creates a number of maintainance/support problems in the event we have to
really use this stuff and the supplying country sides against us. So who
then? The fools who are driving/riding/watching/listening to all this
imported junk. The next time you see an import cage drive by, stop and
think. There goes someones wages for about 3 or 4 months and YOU are paying
for his unemployment or welfare. If he gets desparate enough to steal food
for his family, prices are raised to cover it, so YOU are paying for it
again. Maybe he will get so desparate that he will break into your home
or rob you on some back street. Maybe he will BE YOU.

BTW, My computer, which has a working shift key and a ' on the keyboard
was made in South Dakota.

Ed Campbell
        Email ed@Tekelec.com (seems to work)
doh 0000005774 

'57 FL '76 XLCH  My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.



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From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: Harley Oil?
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 20:24:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan27.083245.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
+On the subject of oil, H-D claims that their oil is superior to other oils for
+Harley Davidsons (i.e. air-cooled engines?) than regular oil, because it
+doesn''t break down as quickly.
+
+However, there have been air-cooled motorcycles around for a long time.  Any
+that I have owned (BMWs, Ducatis, Jap Bikes) seemed to have worked just fine on
+other quality oils.
+
+Is this for real or just marketing hype?  With the smaller, hotter running
+water-cooled engines, I would expect that good oils (Pennzoil, Castrol, etc.) 
+might be as good, but I don't want to take the chance without getting the
+wisdom of someone who's been there...

Auto oils have two "REQUIREMENTS" (among others):
	-- Must work with catalytic convertors
	-- Must be cost competetive

the first means that some types of additives (and oil is 20% additives)
cannot be used.  some of the better additives clog up convertors and
are found in mc oils, not car.

the second also precludes the use of the more expensive additives.

so, a motorcycle oil is much better for a motorcycle than automobile
oil.  (at least for non-synthetics).

Whether Harley oil is better than another mc oil, I don't know and
I don't know who does.
____________________________________________________________________________
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            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
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From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Coast to coast baby.
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:14:01 GMT


As long as there are a possible two coast to coast racers I propose:
 
We pick a three month period for contestants to complete the task.
$500 dollars a head. Say ten percent to a designated charity. Checkpoints
and a givin route. Contestants must mail checks to an upstanding
individual(such as myself)(just kiddin) to hold.
Thoughts? To much money? Perhaps a first second third pay off?
Maybe make it annual? Winner is KotA(merica)? Maybe a couple hundred registra?
 
Although I must say sleeping is not conducive to winning.
Just a thought. And before you get started, yes I have driven straight through.
Navy leaves are only so long.
 
I'm gonna cross post this just to see if we can get something going.
If we can come up with volunteers (I might do a chicago checkpoint if
available) I might throw my helmet in the ring(of course I'd have to
buy a new one then). So ??????????????????????

 
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From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Re: Gold Wing more American than HD?!?!?!?
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 07:20:26 GMT

In article <82490028@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:

>What's the maximum cruising speed for a newer FLHS/FLHTC these days?
>My Wing can do 80mph for hours while my old '75 FLH *Fatbob* wouldn't
>tolerate much over 60mph for long periods of time. 

Well, I haven't had the opportunity to take the '93 FLHS on a trip yet, but I
cruise the 15 or so freeway miles back and forth to work at 65-70mph regularly.
I've had it up in the 80-90mph and it cruises just fine. 


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Mike Serafin             serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com       Texas Instruments
DoD #0742  AMA #671922  HOG #0565502                            Dallas, Texas
1967 Firebird 326              1982 Honda CM250C
1969 Barracuda Formula 340S    1993 H-D FLHS 
1988 Ford F250 4x4             1964 Cessna 310I
1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee
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From: jm4b+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Makel)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Harleys&Indians for sale
Date: 26 Jan 93 06:57:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kfNKpdq00WAEI0nEkS
Organization: Hardware Maintenance, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Well,
    I found a guy who has a bunch of bikes for sale, they range from 46,48
basket Indians, 50 Complete Indian, 64 Duo Glide, 6? Duo, maybe he
might sell his Henderson(4 cylinder), and a bunch of other Harleys 
including a 84 FLT, he is building a home(number 2), and needs the cash,
his name is Mel and he can be reached at (412)531-5977, I wouldn't
drag your feet if anything interests you as they will go fast, let me know
if any of you get anything.



						john...


16F
47Indian
78FX
80FXB
91FXRS
92FLHTC
HOG 
AMA
ABATE
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From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Re: Harley Oil?
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:30:04 GMT

--
In article <1993Jan27.083245.1@skcla.monsanto.com>, mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com
writes:

|>On the subject of oil, H-D claims that their oil is superior to other oils
|>for
|>Harley Davidsons (i.e. air-cooled engines?) than regular oil, because it
|>doesn''t break down as quickly.
|>
|>However, there have been air-cooled motorcycles around for a long time.  Any
|>that I have owned (BMWs, Ducatis, Jap Bikes) seemed to have worked just fine
|>on
|>other quality oils.
|>
|>Is this for real or just marketing hype?  With the smaller, hotter running
|>water-cooled engines, I would expect that good oils (Pennzoil, Castrol, etc.)
|>|>might be as good, but I don't want to take the chance without getting the
|>wisdom of someone who's been there...

Don't make the mistake of comparing an oil designed for a water cooled
automobile motor with one designed for a Harley motor. They are two
different beasts. Ask someone with a Porsche Carrera about off the shelf
oils...and that motor has 12 quarts! of oil to buffer the heat. The only auto
oils I've found acceptable are racing oils, and the only two are Valvoline
Racing and Pennzoil Racing. Off the shelf, in my area, these oils are not
available in multi-viscosity weights, just straight weight. This leaves you
with HD oil, which can be bought at swap meets or during a dealer sale 
for cheap. I paid $1.90/qt during a dealer sale last year. You could use
Bel-Ray, but at $4.50/qt it gets expensive. You can change twice as often
using HD oil.

|>(I change oil every 2,500 miles)

You might want to change more often. Oil is cheap, your motor is not.

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@shr.dec.com
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Subject: Re: heyuk! be 'murkin to!
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:18:30 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
 <2139@admin.mport.COM> <C17MrL.EuI@ccu.umanitoba.ca> <1993Jan22.012601.10946@tcsi.com>
Distribution: usa
Organization: MSUS

In article <1993Jan22.012601.10946@tcsi.com>, markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer)
wrote:
> 
> In article <C17MrL.EuI@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, klinger@ccu (Jorg Klinger) writes:
> >Somebody wrote:
> >>>happy with it.  If HD wanted to compete in the Japanese speedster
> >>>market; then, they would come out with a product.  Obviously, they
> >>>don't, because they do not have a product.
> >
> >  Unless I am mistaken it sounds like they are getting ready to do just
> >that. So will these be Harley's or will they be looked down on because
> >they don't fit the mold? I'm surprised that I've heard no mention of
> >it in this group. Can jap bike riders be the only ones interested?
> 
> This brings up an interesting point I read in The_Harley_Davidson
> _Sportster_Performance_Handbook.  It seems that in the late seventies
> AMF was making steady stream of improvements to the Sportster.  The
> most extensive of which was a new frame (the frame first used in the
> XLCR).  This frame was both stiffer and lighter than the previous
> frame, and made a big improvment in the handleing of the bike.  

	It may be true that the frame was new, but the handling was
	totally UNREMARKABLE. I owned a new 	XLCR and I don't mind
	telling you that it was not a good handling bike.  Not in
	the least. My '73 Rickman/Trident handled better.  So did
	the BMW R80.  I hated that XLCR.  Crap.
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: I am convinced " I am not worthy" Sorry Harley Guys!
Date: 24 Jan 93 13:46:16 GMT
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	<1j7vacINNa6n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <carlp.727162226@frigg>
	<LOTTO.93Jan21131517@laura.harvard.edu>
	<1jpgdqINNe30@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: dfw@po.CWRU.Edu's message of 22 Jan 93 19:03:22 GMT

>>>>> On 22 Jan 93 19:03:22 GMT, dfw@po.CWRU.Edu (David F. Wright) said:
David> My GSXR 1100 will (beat your Harley in a race)

Me> You're on.  Boston to LA and back.  Pick a start time.

David> March 31st until the winner crosses..............

March 31 is out 'cause I am teaching an MRC:RSS Update the first
weekend in April.  Tell you what, I'll just go and time the deal.  I
can set checkpoints along the way for verification.  You have 'till
the end of the "season" to follow.  It should take less than 7 days of
riding if I stick to daylight only.  I'll be back here by Feb 11 or
so.  Extra time spent in LA area doesn't count - I have some stuff to
attend to while out there anyway and this is as good a time as any to
do it.

Total time is calculated as (time/date in to Boston - time/date leave
from Boston) - time spent in LA.  No time change skew.  I'll probably
do overnights in the Columbus, Tulsa, and Flagstaff areas.  I've never
done this route before but it is winter and I like to sleep on the
side of the road w/o unpacking the bike to get a fast start in the AM.
Look for me around Irvine, Ca. Feb 7.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: Harley Oil?
Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:34:33 GMT

In article <Jan.28.10.16.49.1993.28180@net.bio.net> steve@net.bio.net (Steve Barnhouse) writes:
+
+Try and find out who makes HD oil and buy it from them before HD puts
+its label on.  BMW oil is made by Spectro (non-synthetic).  At the BMW
+shop with the BMW label it costs a bit more than at a generic
+motorcycle parts store with the Spectro label.  It's very good oil, by
+the way, and since the BMW (twins) have similar engines to the Harleys
+(and a dry clutch) it probably would work well in your hawg.  The
+stuff called Golden Spectro is synthetic; the regular Spectro is not.

The Harley Oil is made by several refineries to Harley's specs so
it is not available commercially.  

I have been using Spectro in my bike and convinced that it is a
better oil (but more expensive).  Howver, I am going back to Harley
oil.  The Spectro is thinner, so engine vibes are felt more.  The
Harley oil cushions the vibes a little better.  (Call me soft :-).
____________________________________________________________________________
 Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, KD6LAA
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley,rec.motorcycles
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Help with a '55 Harley
Organization: Bellcore
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 12:36:40 GMT

The magnetos are available direct from morris magnetos
on rt 24 morristown NJ (dont remember the zip). If not
morristown Harley Davidson will have them (BTW Motown
HD does not sell new bikes, the only fix HD's).
As for a wiring diagram you can't get much simpler than
a 55 HD with a magneto, you don't have any lights till
its running and if I remember right it uses a generator
not an alternator, geeze it's got maybe 10 wires at the most.
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: CHOP from Sweden GIF
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:32:38 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

Henri Lubke of Sweden has put a GIF file of his Panhead
Chop to the server.  Please feel free to check it out!
While you are there, grab the pic of the second most
nostalgic chop in the world, OLDCHOP.GIF ;-)

Files:	PAN_CHOPPER.GIF  and PAN_CHOPPER.TXT
       OLDCHOP.GIF          OLDCHOP.TXT

server:   134.29.65.5
User:     doh
password: spooge

best of luck and drop off some pics while you
are visiting!
From: zebee@wattle.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Triumph over Mediocrity
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:41:12 GMT
Organization: The University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: wattle.itd.adelaide.edu.au

>In article <MRMIKE.93Jan22134534@michelotti.ae.ge.com> Mike Passaretti <passaretti@crd.ge.com> writes:
>>
>>Figuring that HD is closer in spirit to Triumph than most
>>other manufacturers nowadays, so...
>>
>>I'm told that Triumph _will_ be selling the new models in the
>>US, but my source had no documentation for the claims.  I've
>>been looking casually for an old Triumph or BSA for a while
>>with little luck and I'm wondering what folks know about the
>>plans for new machines...  Should I keep looking for early
>>bikes or will the '90s have similar character and less hassle.

As said by someone else, the new bikes are not liek the old ones,
although there is a rumour that a twin will be produced soon.

Triumph were supposed to go into the US market this year, but were held
up by several things, mainly arranging a dealer network, liability
insurance problems, and the fact that they are selling all their product
now.  Originally they were going to go to a 2nd shift to service the US
market, but the Europeans are buying even more, so they can't make
enough bikes for the US.

If anyone is interested, I can post some Trumpy stuff - reviews,
dimensions etc.  IF the main harley group isn;t interested, then for
God's sake say so, and the minority can email me.

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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Subject: Re: Help me find an 883 - Please...
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:24:18 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1993Jan25.190224.63184@cc.usu.edu> sljt6@cc.usu.edu writes:

>I am hoping someone out there can help me...

>I finally got enough money together to buy
>my dream bike (at least for now).  I have been wanting
>an 883 for at least 5 years.  Now I finally have the money,
>I can't find the bike.  I am looking for a new 883
>base model in black.  I guess I would take another color if it
>was all I could find, though.  I would be willing to go to 
>Arizona, Texas, Nevada, Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, Oregon, Washington,
>or anyplace similarly close to Utah to pick it up.
>I prefer not to have a CA model.  I know some dealers out
>there _must_ have ordered extra ones to put on the showroom.

>I would really appreciate any help you can give.

>Dave

>sljt6@cc.usu.edu
>davester@cc.usu.edu

Check with Chick, at Chick's Harley Davidson in Albuqueque. Sorry I don't
have the number handy.

Chick's is the best dealership I have ever delt with. And Chick is a very
honest, and good guy. I'd give him a try first. (tell him Matthew from
Dallas sent ya')

Good luck.

Matthew

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Re: You would not catch me dead on a Harley
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:22:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.203741.2620@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> jons@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jon T. Schoepflin) writes:
>
>
>
>        flames are welcome

I would also prefer to be alive on a Harley! 
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Subject: Re: Triumph over Mediocrity
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:17:00 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <C1BH8v.Ly@rice.edu> garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett) writes:

>In article <Stafford-220193162151@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:

>>The old Triumphs will remain unique.
>>
>>The new Triumphs are as completely unlike anything Triumph has ever
>>done before.  People seem compelled to call them 'japanese like'
>>but that resemblance is inspired by the new Trumpet's super tech
>>design, not because of any copying.
>>
>>They will be triples.  No fours.  They are be fast.  Damned
>    		        ^^^^^^^^
>The bigger ones (eg. Daytona 1200) are fours. The 900s in their various 
>guises are triples.

Who *cares*! THEY ARE UGLY!!!!

I'll stick with my '79 Bonny, and any Harley I can aquire at a good price.

Matthew
(not a flame. Just a personal opinion)

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From: m_bellor@nntpd2.enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch")
Subject: Re: I'd rather ride a Suzuki
Reply-To: m_bellor@nntpd2.enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch")
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs, CO
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 10:13:36 GMT



 Don't worry son, it is just a passing phase. We all go through it when we're
 young and dumb.

 Sasquatch

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From: dfw@po.CWRU.Edu (David F. Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: I am convinced " I am not worthy" Sorry Harley Guys!
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:55:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dfw@po.CWRU.Edu (David F. Wright)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) says:

>In article <LOTTO.93Jan21131517@laura.harvard.edu>, lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
>|> >>>>> (David F. Wright) writes:
>|> 
>|> David> My GSXR 1100 will (beat your Harley in a race)
>|> 
>|> David,
>|> 
>|> 	You're on.  Boston to LA and back.  Pick a start time.
>
>make sure you guys come through colorado and say hi
>
>laz
>
  O.K. Laz be looking out your window.........
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