Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 10 Nov 1992 12:22:46 CST
From: <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Bosnian language, More Citations
Distribution: soc
 <1992Nov08.174519.26877@bmerh85.bnr.ca>

In article <1992Nov08.174519.26877@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, faruk@bcars6f5.BNR.CA (Faruk
Hadziomerovic) says:
>
>In article <92311.135903U52148@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>|> Senad, WHY shouldn't Hercegovci be able to speak HERCEGOVINIAN? I, as a Cro
>|> from STOLAC, if given a choice between "Bosnian" and "Hercegovian" I would
>|> choose Hercegovian. But I wouldn't dream of calling Croatian anything else.
>|> I DO have a question for you Senad: If I asked you 2 years ago what
>nationality
>|> you were, I bet you were Yugoslav, and spoke "Serbo-Cro". Your grandparents
>|> were probably fighting alongside Ustasa, and THIS is how you honor them?
>|> Also I wonder, given the current fighting record of the "Bosnians", do you
>|> still want Yugo? I KNOW that one of the founding principles of SDA is is
>not
>|> to work with anyone who wants to destroy Yugo. That's why SDA won.
>|>
>|> -Cro
>
>Let's fix this nonsense. You don't look like Croat, and your pattern
>resembles infiltrated serb, to instigate more fight between Muslims
>and Croats in Bosnia. So I am responding to you as such.
>
>Q1. Why shouldn't Hercegovci be able to speak HERCEGOVINIAN?
>
>A1. Because HERCEGOVINIAN is not a language.
    Neither is Bosnian. I made a valid point. Regarding Hercegovinian.
   If the Bosnians can have their own language. Why not us?

>Q2. ... if given a choice between "Bosnian" and "Hercegovian" ...bla bla bla.
>
>A2. Choice is not given. The only language on the territory of Bosnia and Her-
>cegovina is BOSNIAN.

       How about Croatian?  Or how about Bosno-Hercegovinian?





>
>Q3. But I wouldn't dream of calling Croatian anything else.
>
>A3. Nobody asked you about your dreams. However your may call your Croatian
>dialects Dalmatian or Zagorski which differ among themselves much more than
>Hercegovian from Bosnian dialects.
>
SO are you saying that Bosnian is a dialect of Croatian?


>Q4. If I asked you 2 years ago what nationality you were ....
>
>A4. Stick to the topic and do not insult the people around. This is the
>contract which you or your terminal owner signed with the usenet.
>
  I made a valid observation. It isn't an Insult. You know the answer.
  Wher are you in Bosnia anyway?


>Q5. Your grandparents were probably fighting alongside Ustasa ...
>
>A5. Were not Ustasa's Croats extremists movement?
>
  Yes and no. I would like to know why all the "Bosnians" like HOS
  and anything that has to do with Ustasa.





>Q6. ... given the current fighting record of "Bosnians", do you still
>want Yugo?
>
>A6. The fighting record of Bosnians is extremely good under the
>circumstances, when Mr. Boban blocks any attempt to supply Bosnians with
>weaponry. With the extreme shortage of weaponry and ammunition, Bosnians
>have eliberated Trnovo, Visegrad, Konjic from Serbs-JNA. They kept
>many beseiged towns and still keeping them: Olovo, Brcko, Tuzla, Bihac area,
>Gorazde, Zenica area etc. There is no reason for Croats to present Bosnians
>as cowards, when the truth is opposite. Bosnians are known as a good
>soldiers troughout the history. Austro-Hungarian  empire considered Bosnians
>as elite soldiers in their army. The Croat (Ustasa) leader Pavelic called
>Bosnian Muslims "flowers of Croatian people." But history aside, Bosnians
>are fighting like a hell to eliberate their Bosnia-Hercegovina, and the
>split with the Croatian allies need to be overcomed quickly in the interest
>of both peoples, to focus to the source of the problem, their common enemy.
>I am not saying the Serbs should be exterminated, however they should be
>brought
>to a senses, their aggression stopped, their atrocities condemned, and
>individuals who created this hell brought to the justice.


I couldn't agree more. But the fighting between the catholics and the Muslims
has stopped. We will only fuck ourselves over if we fight amongst ourselves.
The Hercegovians (I see you forgot us) are also legendary fighters. I think
the Serbs should be brought to justice. Use your own definition.
I like to see that you remember something regarding Pavelic. I recall
Turkish Historian Evelija Celebija saying that the Bosnians are of the
Croatian Nation.

>

>Q7. I KNOW that one of the founding principles of SDA is not to work with
>    anyone who wants to destroy Yugo. That's why SDA won.
>
>A7. How can you say that, when the fact is that SDA as a majority party in
>Bosnia organized and carried the referendum for independence (from Yugo)
>and recognition of Bosnia-Hercegovina as an sovereign state.
>
 That was only after Croatia got sucessful in getting its independence.
Alija thought that Cro would stay in Yugo. That's why the Bosnian army
got formed after BiH was being attacked. Hercegovci were already organized
prior to the attacks on Bosnia. That's why we're on PodVelezje, trying
to stop the Serbs from Shelling Mostar.




>However, most of your story is unrelated to the discussion about Bosnian
>language.
>
>Finally, your pattern resembles a serb who wish to ignite more fight between
>Muslims and Croats in Bosnia.
>

I'm not a Serb. I'm from Hercegovina. I don't support Boban. I am a
Croat. I speak Croatian...


>faruk
>
>

-Chicago Cro