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From: machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman)
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:28:26 GMT

"Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu> writes:

>Sander Vanocur asked the question -- what about legalization or some
>other alternative to the drug war.  Clinton said that he was CONVINCED
>that his brother was alive because of the criminal justice system.
>I think that this validates my observation on Clinton -- that he
>is emotional and irrational on this issue because of his step-father's
>alcoholism and his half-brother's cocaine use.  I don't think 
>Clinton can be reasoned with.  Drug reform will only come over strenuous
>Clinton opposition.

Thanks to Vanocur for even -daring- to bring the concept of alternatives 
to the WoSD into such a prominent forum as the Presidential debates.  I
was -very- happy to see that happen.  

Of course, I was less than thrilled with the answers given by the candidates.
Perot brought up the crack baby myth (it's not crack and only crack that's
affecting those babies, of course) and stirred up a lot of fear.  Bush gave
the answer I expected him to give.  

As a supporter of his, I was disappointed in Clinton's response.  "The 
criminal justice system saved my brother's life", indeed.  Many other
people's lives are being ruined by it and the civil courts.  My only
sense of comfort with Clinton on this issue is that he is young.  Perhaps
he can change his attitude over time.  It depends a great deal on the 
social climate.  If Clinton took less than a hard-line stance against
"the evils of drugs", he would not be elected.  That is not his fault,
it is society's.

						-- dave

>-- 
>paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 21:00:52 -0400 
From: Seth Malcolm Redmore <sr2s+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Safrole

Hmmmm... As for extracting safrole from sasafrass roots,
why not just buy the oil?  If you get the real oil, it costs
about 100.00 for 8oz.  (at 75% safrole)  Or, buy the artificial oil,
(which I would suppose has safrole as the main component) at around
1-1.50 per oz.  (i was curious, so I called up some shops :) )
(ahhh, btw, the prices are in American dollars)

--Seth

(of course, you have to steam distill the oil, but it'd save a step...)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,bionet.neuroscience,sci.bio,sci.med
From: "Paul Hager" <hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Affecting hallucinations via other drugs
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 12:46:36 -0500

allens@yang.earlham.edu (Allen Smith) writes:


>	Hello. I was considering the Hasashin (sp, I know), a group in the 
>middle ages of assasins whose loyalty was insured through an interesting 
>(and unethical) usage of drugs. The candidate was knocked out, placed in a 
>lush garden-type setting with women (it was all-men), opiates, etc. 
>available. They were then, after a fun time, knocked out again. They were 
>told that if they died while completing a mission, they would be 
>transported to this heaven forever.

The account comes from Marco Polo who wrote about the story that was
circulating some 70 years after Hassan's cult was wiped out.  The
hashishim, according to more scholarly sources, derived their name
from the saying that material things were no more important than
grass.  The arabic word for grass is "hashish".  Actually, hashish
was a commonly used intoxicant in the Arabic world -- alcohol was 
verboten.

Given that Polo's account is heresay built upon heresay, coupled with
the fact that Hassan and his group were heretics during a time when
heretics were demonized -- but what else is new -- it is quite likely
that the stories were pure fabrications and myths that were used to
validate the widespread view that the Hassan cult was composed of
depraved and degraded people.  Think of it as being similar to the
stories of Jews using the blood of gentile babies in their rituals
or the modern variant of "Satanists" -- so-called -- using the blood
of babies in theirs.
-- 
paul hager		hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu
"Run 'em down, Fred!  They don't belong here!  Run 'em down!"
-- Bobby Fischer to Fred Cramer, who was driving him through a
a crowd of spectators after Fischer adjourned game 1 in his
1972 match with Spassky.
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From: j1moody@darwin.cc.nd.edu (Humpty Dumpty)
Subject: Pot People
Followup-To: alt.drugs
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:42:36 GMT

I often hear a lot of talk from people I know who smoke ganja on a daily
basis that one day they are going to quit.  For many of them, this day 
never arrives.  I know people who've been smoking anywhere from 2 years to 
20 years.  

Is there such thing as a daily pot-smoker who finally quits smoking on a
daily
basis and only indulgences maybe every other blue moon?  I know there are.
I'm just wondering what made you change your habits from daily consumption
to bi-annual consumption. 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)
Subject: Re: Clinton: "I am adamantly opposed to legalization of drugs!"
Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 04:03:38 GMT


In article <1992Oct11.212254.11624@news.cs.indiana.edu>, 
hagerp@moose.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Hager) said:

> Sander Vanocur asked the question -- what about legalization or some
> other alternative to the drug war.  Clinton said that he was
> CONVINCED that his brother was alive because of the criminal justice
> system.  I think that this validates my observation on Clinton --
> that he is emotional and irrational on this issue because of his
> step-father's alcoholism and his half-brother's cocaine use.  I
> don't think Clinton can be reasoned with.  Drug reform will only
> come over strenuous Clinton opposition.
>
> Gore is reputed to have said, "trust us..." on the subject of
> cannabis.  I might trust Gore -- after all, he inhaled -- but
> Clinton will fight rational drug policy every step of the way.

You're probably right, but gods help me, I've gotta hope and pray for
a Clinton victory anyway.  As President, Clinton probably won't move
the nation one step in the right direction on drug policy, but I think
he'll at least slow down its movement in the wrong direction.  If
nothing else, a simple gut comparison of the two men leads me to
believe that the nation will be *far* better off with Clinton filling
whatever Supreme Court vacancies come up in 1993 thru 1996 than Bush.

It's a "hold your nose" situation, admittedly, but I think that there
is a definite difference in how much the two major candidates stink.

-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: tnickles@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Tim Nickles)
Subject: Re: Think drinks: DMAE -- what is it and what are its effects?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:27:47 GMT

mgunders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark T Gunderson) writes:

>    "Gurana" I think is the proper spelling. You can get it (and all the
>other things in that drink) at a good health food store. 

>>>...Some of
>>>the drinks also contain some portion of caffeine; they really got me
>>>up and jumping on the dance floor, but I don't know wether to
>>>attribute the buzz to the caffeine or the other ingredients.

>    I haven't taken gurana myself, but I understand that it's effect
>is similar to caffeine (I remember there being some debate about whether
>it has caffeine in it... I think I remember the outcome being that it
>doesn't).

Guarana does have caffeine, its actually a pretty hefty source.
Too bad, it would be nice to have a "free" energy source... :^)



Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.psychoactives
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: Tripping on brownies (was: mull trips and meditation)
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 16:15:56 GMT

In <1992Oct6.232537.17716@colorado.edu> bashamb@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (BASHAM BRYAN DUANE) writes:
>However, I have a recipe for pot-brownies that will make one
>trip.  The recipe must call for oil (usually a butter based
>recipe can be substituted with an equivalent amount of oil).

Butter can be substituted for oil.  The important thing is the fats,
and there are plenty of fats in both butter and oil.

>the house.]  Follow the recipe as usual adding the sauted pot
>where the oil is called for.

I've strained the weed out of the butter, because it tastes better,
and most of the THC is in the butter after sautee'ing anyway.

>of weed; from 1oz to 1quarter depending upon the quality of the
>weed and the desired dosage.  Typically, I use 1/2oz of very 

As I recall, it was something like 1/4 weed to 1/2 cup butter.


Don't know if I would call it "tripping" but it's definitely a different
experience than smoking.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
         So the odds against him were higher than a vanload of hippies
                   on a blotterful of Owlsley's Old Original.
                           There was still a chance.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ap.5760@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Subject: [anonymous] Still working?
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu
Keywords: anonymous
Reply-To: ap.5760@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:12:45 GMT



I didnt see my previous post appear.


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From: logan@buhub.bradley.edu (Bruce Janov)
Subject: mj vaporization
Organization: Bradley University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 17:18:50 GMT

can anyone send me any information on mj vaporization?

any help will be appreciated...!!!


--
Bruce Elliot Janov

                           "....and if i say to you tomorrow,
                           take my hand child, come with me...
                           it's to a castle i will take you...
                           where what's to be, they say will be..."
From: ap.5452@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: [anonymous] MJ Prices
Keywords: anonymous
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:08:55 GMT
Reply-To: ap.5452@cupid.sai.com
Organization: Somewhere
Originator: lamontg@hardy.u.washington.edu


Talking with some friends this week, they informed me of a couple of
things:

1) joints were running about  each.

2) mj was becoming significantly harder to obtain.

So, is the WoD raising prices everywhere, or was this person merely
unfortunate?

Baz.

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From: pierre@media.mit.edu (Pierre St. Hilaire)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Miraa/Gat in Somalia--news story
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:51:37 GMT
Organization: MIT Media Laboratory

>     Here's an interesting story, on more than one level.   Can 
>anyone explain just WHAT this "gat" is?????  If it's some sort
>of cannabis/hashish derivative, it must be pretty damn good.
>
>SHREWD SOMALI NATIONALS MAKING FORTUNES FROM NARCOTICS TRADE WITH KENYA 
>
>At the center of the trade is the plant "miraa" or "gat," grown in both Kenya
>and Somalia. Before the war broke out in Somalia two years ago, the "miraa"
>constituted part of the trade between the two countries, and nobody frowned
>upon it. 


	From the geographical area considered, and the fact that the
drug is chewed, there seems to be little doubt that the drug consists
of "Khat". It is a plant whose shoots contain the amphetamine-like
stimulant cathinone. There have been a few posts recently on cathinone
and its derivative metcathinone. An intesting fact is that the shoots
of the plant seem to be active only when fresh. They lose their
potency upon drying. That means that the plant has to be consumed
within a few days after harvest.

	The popularity of khat makes sense in a starving country
since, like amphetamine and cocaine, khat acts as an anorexiant. It is
plausible that some people could consume it to relieve hunger. But the
fact that people are ready to trade food for khat is to say the least
very disturbing.

					Pierre St Hilaire
					MIT Media Lab
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs
From: zane@ddsw1.MCS.COM (Sameer Parekh)
Subject: Destructive Drug Rehab programs
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 19:41:33 GMT
Organization: ddsw1.MCS.COM Contributor, Chicago, IL


	I friend of mine (not a close friend-- a close friend's SO.) is
leaving for drug rehab. on Monday. I'm concerned, and I'm hoping that this
program isn't bad for the patient..
	The program involved is called Parkside, and she will leave Monday,
and she can't take phone calls or visitors (maybe visits from relatives, but
no visits allowed from my friend her SO.) but letters are allowed.  I don't
know the extent of her problem..
	Anyway, does anyone know anything about Parkside in Highland Park,
Illinois? Is it good? I sure as hell hope it's good..
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: ganz@resumix.portal.com (Jonathan Ganz)
Subject: Re: LSD Flashbacks?
Organization: Resumix Inc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 19:00:15 GMT

In article <ringo.718380981@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> you write:
>Okay....let me propose this :) It's all a matter of perception, looking
>at things. During the trip you become attuned to new ways of looking at
>things. I mean, the walls aren't really doing THAT while you're tripping,
>you're taking old, pedestrian sensory input and doing something different
>with it. Well, if you've learned that things like that can seem to be 
>happenning, why wouldn't you attune to them, attune to the abnormal, in
>everyday life. For example: An image will stay on your retina for a short
>while (I'm being VERY non-technical with use of terms like 'stay on your
>retina.' please understand this is for illustrative purposes only.) and
>you can easily see 'trails' even when not under the influence of anything.
>Well, since you're ALWAYS seeing trails, you may become attuned to them, 
>and see them even when your brain has trained you for the past X years to
>ignore them.
>As for walls breathing, your visual system, while quite nice, is way 
>imperfect. Your brain has always told you to 'ignore what isn't happenning.'
>But since you've eaten acid, and have been trained to attune to the trippy
>things going on around you, what's to stop you from attuning to them when
>you're not under the influence.
>Comments? Thoughts? Flames are unproductive, so don't bother.
>

John, this is all well and good if you insist (rather stiffly) that
the walls are in fact not breathing.  What if they are and the LSD
allows you to see it under its special circumstances....you see the
paradigm shift I take it.

My experience is that this is a pretty strange world and there's 
no sure way of telling what's what except by general agreement.

Jonathan

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From: dadmun@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: mj vaporization
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:42:31 GMT
Reply-To: dadmun@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida - CIRCA

In article <1992Oct7.171850.27794@bradley.bradley.edu>, logan@buhub.bradley.edu (Bruce Janov) writes:
>can anyone send me any information on mj vaporization?
>any help will be appreciated...!!!
>--
>Bruce Elliot Janov
>
There was an article in High Times a while back (mid 1990?) that told about
vaporization and how to build a vaporizer.  I built one so I know a bit about
them.  What the trick is, is that you don't actually burn the weed.  You heat
it up to a point where the THC is liberated and that way you don't produce
as much heat - bad for the throat, or as much carcinogenic stuff - or nasties
like CO and CO2 which don't help you either.  The device I have accomplised
this by using a car cigarette lighter element and a momentary on push button
with a 120AC -> 12VDC transformer.  It's very simple.  The thing is that it
doesn't work well with MJ.  It is better with hash and even better with 
hash oil.  The HT article said that vaporizing was about three times better
than smoking which was about 2 times better than eating.  It also recomemded
using Marinol which is a phamaceutical version of THC (for cancer patients?)
Anyway, I used to work in a drug store and we didn't carry it.  However,
I looked it up in one of the drug company's indeces and found that Marinol
is a brand name for Dronabinol -  Just like Valium is a brand name for
Diazepam.  Well, that's it for the vaporization stuff.  Except, if you do
make or get a vaporizer and use Dronabinol (I forgot to mention that it
is a gel capsule, so you can squish out all the active stuff onto the lighter
element)  but if u get some - take a hit and wait before u do another or
you may be knocked on your ass.  If you're interested I can look up the 
exact issue that it was in.
	Also, I am a chemist (grad student) so I thought I'd mention this
in case you don't know.  THC is NOT water soluable but IS alcohol soluable.
So, if you are ever cleaning your bong or something and you want something
besides resin to smoke.  Try using ethanol (Whiskey or something you can
do shots of) and let the alcohol dissolve the THC than do a shot of it.
This is of course only for the stong stomached.  Anyway,  cleaning is
easier this way.  I once went out with a girl named Pam and...

"Baking IS easier when you start with Pam"

Andy.

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: st1qb@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: LSD-25
Reply-To: st1qb@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 05:10:50 GMT

In article <dlaird.1qxc@terapin.com>, dlaird@terapin.com (Delbert Laird) writes:
>I was wondering if anyone knew (or could hazard a guess) to determine if any
>effects can be felt using quarter or half hits of LSD?...I'm considering trying
>some (on the acclaims of a friend), but I don't want the full-blown experience
>yet (so...I'm a wimp, sue me).
>
Well, from what I know, taking half hits still gives you some effects
of LSD from a whole hit.  The main difference I noticed was that your
hallucinations are not as intense which is the best part!  You trip
for a little shorter but not much and you dont have the hour or two
period in which you lose reality.  Anyway, if it is your first time, 
yea, take only a half and see how you like it.  And just remind yourself
awhole can be much more intense, exciting, and enjoyable!

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: tkirby@nyx.cs.du.edu (Thomas Kirby)
Subject: Re: G.I.JOE Does WOD Propaganda Stint
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 06:02:49 GMT


     Anyone else see the junior DEA handcuff kits at Wal-Mart?
From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.politics.elections
Subject: Re: [Republicans] On Civil Liberties and Drugs
Keywords: New-Speak
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:01:11 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <Bw0sn0.Csv@scd.hp.com> dave@hpdstma.ptp.hp.com (Dave Waller) writes:

>Certainly; of course, the legality of a requirement for physical punishment
>is suspect even under a libertarian system (indeed, it would not be allowed
>by most libertarians).
>
>Now that you have my answer, I would like honest, rational answers from you to
>three questions:
>
>	Would you work for this employer?
>
>	Do you think this employer would be successful in hiring talented,
>	productive individuals in sufficient quantity to remain competitive?

Many jobs don't need talented help, just strong backs. As to productivity, 
that's what the whip would be for.

>	Given that such practices would be publically known, do you think
>	such an employer would be sucessful in attracting purchasers of
>	his goods and/or services to the extent that his business would thrive
>	and grow?

I haven't heard of any Chinese prisons going out of business lately. 


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: X-tasy
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 04:51:11 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.200756.7117@src.dec.com> srcguard@src.dec.com (Lytt
n (SRC) Guard) writes:
>
>
>	
>			I have been told of an upcoming drug.
>		Perhaps legal, with no side affects whatsoever,
>		and increases the sexual drive or more or less
>		creates an ultra-sensitive skin on your body.
>		Non-addictive.  I've heard it called Ecstacy,
>		"E" or "X".  

   Ha ha ha ho ho ho hee hee hee *snort* *chuckle* *guffaw*
(bronchiospasms)
  Nope. Never heard of it. Tell me, what rock did you just crawl out from
under? Really. You should get out more. Or maybe read or something...
>
>			I would like more info. on this drug,
>		it could be the answer to addicts and casual users
>		for non-dangers that could be effective.
>
		
 (The password is: FAQ!)

St. Anthony (abFAQeln! :-) )

>		Any other user, know about this?
>
>



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From: JJACO02@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU (Jacoby, James Derek)
Subject: Re: kava kava
Organization: Rice University  
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:53:48 GMT

  I have tried kava kava, but the mild high did not seem to warrant drinking th
e bitter tasting concoction. The following is a quote from "Intoxication: Life
in Pursuit of Artificial Paradise" by Ronald Siegel.
 
  "Tea made from kava roots is drunk cold but it still retains an attractive li
lac aroma. A pungent and numbing aftertaste keeps users from drinking too much.
 The intoxication is similar to alcohol in that it produces a short euphoric st
ate, relaxation, and some loss of social inhibitions. There is no hangover, eve
n for seasoned kava drinkers. But it is strangely disappointing to many who fin
d that while they are happy and content, thier mental alertness remains unaffec
ted. This would seem to be a benefit for problem drinkers but they balk at such
 unfamiliar sobriety and return to the dizziness of alcohol. To achieve stronge
r effects it is necessary to chew the kava root, a fibrous and unappetizing cou
rse that even native kava drinkers dislike. Furthermore, such high doses can be
 as addicting and as debilitating as alcohol."
 
  Any typos in the above passage are my own. As I understand it the kava root i
s legal and uncontrolled in the US, presumably because the intoxication is so m
ild. I have not heard of any liver damage from kava use, but it is possible. I
would be interested in hearing of the experiences of anyone else on the net reg
arding kava use.
 
-- Derek
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