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From: jmn@crown.berkeley.edu (J. Mark Noworolski)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Registering a used car with expired plates - suggestions please
Date: 28 Aug 1992 17:00:40 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: crown.berkeley.edu


I just bought a car from a friend who had not used it for about 2 years
(ie. it was not registered and sitting in his garage).

Figuring that all I have to do is to get them to fill out a 'certificate
of non-operation' we did this. At the DMV, however, they no longer accept
these. _NOW_ if you don't use your car you have to tell them in advance!

So in addition to the transfer and registration fees they want me to pay 
the back registration for the last 2 years and penalties!
This seems pretty unreasonable to me.

Can anybody suggest some way to get around this?

thanks,
mark
From: levine@dinsdale.ics.uci.edu (David Levine)
Subject: Re: Registering a used car with expired plates - suggestions please
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:06:48 GMT

How about titling the car in another state, then getting a title/
registration here?  Would require a trip out of state, but it might be
worth it.

Anyone tried this?

David

Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: rfrench@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert S. French)
Subject: Speed trap - Embarcadero&El Camino, PA
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:07:53 GMT

The Palo Alto Revenue Officers are at it again.  One guy with a radar
gun on the Alma overpass, and a whole gaggle of cops next to
Town&Country pulling over everyone in sight.

		Rob

Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: rfrench@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert S. French)
Subject: Re: Speed trap - Embarcadero&El Camino, PA
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:02:36 GMT

In article <l9t155INNjr1@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> calvins@suzies.Eng.Sun.COM (Christopher Klein) writes:
>If you were caught, I'm sorry. 

Luckily I was also going the other direction coming out of T&C.
However, the last time I saw them do this (about 15 months ago) they
did catch me.  Only speeding ticket I've ever gotten.  I was not
pleased.  A question for radar-detector weilding drivers: considering
that they aim the radar at the rear of cars coming up out of a "dip"
under an overpass, would there be sufficient reflection from cars to
notice this trap in time?
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Does the CHP still exist?
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:50:26 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <3860018@mothra.rose.hp.com> barry@mothra.rose.hp.com (Barry Fowler) writes:
>Relating to the CHP between Loomis/Newcastle on Hwy 80 to/from Tahoe.
>
>Actually, they do work it both ways.  The ususally get the Eastbound traffic
>on Friday and Saturday and Westbound on Sunday afternoon.  Actually, 
>they're targeting the Bay Area people making the weekend Tahoe runs
>who aren't familiar with their tactics.  
   
      that makes more sense.  I just go to Tahoe/Reno on schedules
      counter to traffic flow....so this must be why I haven't
      gotten any greenstamps.

>In addition, someone from out of 
>town is less likely to challenge the ticket because of the inconvenience.
>
>The local court here is getting very full with people contesting these 
>tickets, even to the point where the neighbors are complaining about
>the parking of the masses of these "criminals" in their streets while 
>attending court.
>
     Awwwwwww, poor people.  If they would make their feelings known
     to the appropriate folks, the problem might just go away.  Ya
     want the revenue, be prepared for some folks to finally get
     tired of greed and protest it. 

>
>As far as I can tell, this practice is done solely for money as this portion
>of the highway is quite safe and I have seen few accidents on it in the 
>last 11 years.

       About like the speed traps on I-5...all in the safest
       areas...the fuzz doesn't want to risk their fat behinds in a
       REAL high risk area.


Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: HF.ANR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Ahren Reed)
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: ca
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 06:46:51 GMT

>In article <4768@bacon.IMSI.COM> jordan@IMSI.COM (Jordan Hayes) writes:
>>CHP has the charter of the highways.  Thus the name.  The State Police
>>(like most other states) has the charter of all (non-highway) "state
>>owned" land, such as the Capitol, as well as security detail for state
>>VIPs.

There has been some talk about State Police having jurisdiction over
"State Owned" lands, but I would like to pose a question:

  What ticket-writing, and or "regular" police duties to Park
Rangers have?  I mean, you don't see the State Police in Yosemite or
other park systems, and there must be SOMEONE who tickets
off-roaders in vehicle-restricted park lands, and tells drunk
campers to shut up when they're too noisy.
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: aclark@netcom.com (Al Clark)
Subject: San Jose - Radar on Airport Blvd off Coleman
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 00:11:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ca
Keywords: trap, radar, San Jose

As you leave Coleman, headed east and then north on Airport Blvd, the
speed limit is 35 the whole way to San Jose Airport entrance.  There is
only one 35 mph sign near Coleman, and then none for about 3/4 mile of
limited access road.  Then, a 35mph sign as you encounter driveways.

I slowed down when I saw the sign at the driveways (I missed the one
turning the corner from Coleman), but she'd already tagged me at 50
on radar.  And, yes, there was a radar survey in April '91, after the
reconstruction.  

What do you folks think of the possibility of the judge considering
the reality of how easy it is to miss the first sign?  Will it cost
anything besides my time to give it a try?

Thanks in advance.
-- 
Al - aclark@netcom.com - My opinions are my own.
From: glaird@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Gordon Laird)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:44:58 GMT
Subject: Need real info on 'Stalker' radar.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: ca.driving

    Okay, from those of you who really know.  What is 'stalker' radar?
    Is it used in a specific localized setting such as photoradar?  Or, is it
    a replacement for the more general and long distance units currently being
    operated on K and previously X bands?
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: Re: Does the CHP still exist?
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:00:04 GMT

In article <183257@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>In article <3860016@mothra.rose.hp.com> barry@mothra.rose.hp.com (Barry Fowler) writes:
>>Try driving 72 MPH in Hwy 80 betweenn Loomis and Newcastle (slightly East
>>of Sacramento).  Then you'll discover **where** the CHP are (a big revenue
>>route).
>
>   On Interstate 80 going up to Tahoe, it seems the CHP like to add
>   insult to injury.  All the times I've seen a sack of CHP's along
>   the freeway, they were clustered on the westbound side.  I guess
>   they figure that if you have any money at all left from the
>   folks in Reno and Tahoe, they might as well take it.  

I suspect they often work in clusters for their own protection.  They are lots
of angry people out there with guns in their cars.  If one officer gets in
trouble, there are others nearby.
From: walt@hpwrce.mayfield.hp.com (Walt Boeninger)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Registering a used car with expired plates - suggestions please
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:27:44 GMT
Organization: the Hewlett Packard Response Center

In ca.driving, jmn@crown.berkeley.edu (J. Mark Noworolski) writes:


> I just bought a car from a friend who had not used it for about 2 years
> (ie. it was not registered and sitting in his garage).

> Figuring that all I have to do is to get them to fill out a 'certificate
> of non-operation' we did this. At the DMV, however, they no longer accept
> these. _NOW_ if you don't use your car you have to tell them in advance!

> So in addition to the transfer and registration fees they want me to pay 
> the back registration for the last 2 years and penalties!
> This seems pretty unreasonable to me.

> Can anybody suggest some way to get around this?


Well, you could have your friend pay the registration fees, etc, after all,
he's the one who *apparently* ignored the $5 non-oper registration fee.

Somehow, I doubt if the DMV will budge on this one......after all
IT'S THE LAW   8-)
From: faraullo@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (THE BIG "F")
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Big question...
Keywords: San Diego, driving
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:08:57 GMT
Distribution: ca

Glad to find a reasonable, intelligent, infomrative news thread
(NEVER go into those computer threads! Most of the postings there
are old pieces from the Flame Wars, i.e. War of the Egos.)
But my big question is this: I'm a student at UCSD (yes land of the
parking Gestapo), and I usually end up making 2-3 trips back home to
San Francisco. Now I was wondering which way was the "best" way to
get there. By "best" I mean several things: fewest cops, best speed,
more places to stop, nicest drive, etc. Go ahead and expand on the
thought. I usually take I-5 (I don't know the highway system that
well), and I usually end wanting to crawl in a hole and die by the
time I make it home. Although speed is nice, it usually doesn't mean
much since I'm not in THAT much of a rush (Home/school can wait an
hour or two). 

Frank Araullo
  
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: raveling@Unify.com (Paul Raveling)
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
Organization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)
Distribution: ca
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 20:01:05 GMT

In article <92237.160354PRAX@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, PRAX@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU writes:
> The Calif. State Police have jurisdiction on state property. Such as the
> State Capitol Grounds and the State Fair Grounds. I grew up in Sacramento
> and had the "pleasure" of their aquintance during the State Fair Riots
> in the 70's. I'm not sure if they have any weight on the state highways,
> though.

	They do, or at least they did a few years ago.  When I was
	soaring from Crystal, near highway 138 [roughly the point
	where the Mojave Desert runs into the San Gabriel Mountains],
	the State Police patrolled that and other roads from the air
	with green-and-white Scout.  This fellow not only clocked me
	once -- I saw him in time to slow down -- but he also landed
	at Crystal for lunch stops.


------------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@Unify.com

Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz)
Subject: Re: Alternatives to AAA?
Organization: The Palmtree BBS - 310/453-8726 - Santa Monica, CA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 17:27:31 GMT

now only if there could a BAA (Bicycke Assocation of America
that way if you were on the South Bay trail and got a flat, you could have
some one come out and help fix your flat (Im all thumbs)
From: todd@crayola (Todd Katz)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: tickets and insurance
Date: 31 Aug 92 18:56:56 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

I recently received two 10 mph over speeding tickets. If I don't
go to traffic school (ticket school?) for 8 bours, does
this mean that my insurance will go up? I have no claims and no 
accidents. Does it depend
on the ins. company, or would it go up in all cases? About how
much of an annual increase would be expected (I'm currently
paying about $800/yr for a '83 rx-7). Would the increase
rate remain for 3 years?

Thanks in advance,

-- tk
From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: A Gaggle of Lexi
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:13:11 GMT
Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith) writes:

}In article <19717@fritz.filenet.com>, asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk) writes:
}>Does this mean you have two "Lexuses," or "Lexi?"

}As I recall, you have a Lexus and, by the way, you have another.

};)

Yeah, and what you do is you each get a license plate frame that says,
"My other car is a Lexus".

--James Preston

Xref: sparky ca.driving:2049 rec.autos.driving:5200
From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos.driving
Subject: Re: A Gaggle of Lexi
Summary: a giggle of Lexwe
Date: 31 Aug 92 10:10:25 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: The Helen Keller Bondurant High Performance Driving School for the Blind

In article <19717@fritz.filenet.com> asylvain@fritz.filenet.com (The Chipmunk) writes:
>
>Suppose you buy a Lexus, and you really like it.  So, you buy another
>one for your wife.  Now you have two.
>
>Does this mean you have two "Lexuses," or "Lexi?"

It means you have (had) too much spending money.                 [-:

>Enquiring minds want to know!

You have two Lexus. 

Think about it: "us" is already plural, so adding another doesn't make it
*more* plural.  That's the objective form.  The subjective form is "Lexwe".
e.g.:  you'd say "We have two Lexus." (objective)
  or:  "The Lexwe must be mentioned in the Chapter 11 filing."  (subjective)

[-:

--
Alan Denney      aland@informix.com      {pyramid|uunet}!infmx!aland

"Singulars and plurals are so different, bless my soul.
 Did it ever occur to you that the plural of 'half' is 'whole'?"
                             -- Allan Sherman, "One Hippopatami"
Newsgroups: ca.driving,rec.autos
From: 18971@rhodes.aero.org
Subject: Re: Registration of a used car
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA. USA
Distribution: ca
Date: 3 Sep 92 12:55:16 PST

In article <1992Sep2.213909.16068@qualcomm.com>, ganapath@tahoe.qualcomm.com (Chinnappa Ganapathy) writes:
> A friend of mine bought a car from a guy who is in the navy.  The
> DMV claims that since the car was bought from a military person,
> an extra fee of about $300 has to be paid for registration.  The
> car was originally bought in California itself.
> 
> Comments?  Help?
> 
> Please send replies directly to dwerner@qualcomm.com.  He doesn't
> read news and I'll be on vacation, so I won't be able to forward
> your replies otherwise.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Chinna
> -- 
> Chinnappa Ganapathy    | "Think about it.  Look at other parts of the world
> ganapath@qualcomm.com  |  today with concentration camps and stuff like that.
> QUALCO/\/\/\/\         |  Then look at this silly game.  Kind of puts things
>                        |  in perspective." - Bob Gagliano, Chargers Quaterback

Sorry I could not help. But to add another personal experience for the benefit
of the netter population, I just bought a used car. The seller did not pay the
registration fee for the past year. Now in order to register the car in my
name, the DMV makes me pay for his fee + penalty + my fee.  The DMV would not
go after the seller to collect, it's the buyer's responsibility!
Lucky for me, I found this out 12 hours before penalty for the second year of
nonpayment was to be imposed (double every year!).

The moral lesson: check with DMV BEFORE buying a used vehicle to be aware of
extra fees. Another moral lesson: the government will eventually get its fee
from someone regardless of who owes, it means YOU PAY!
Quan
From: rpwhite@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: No Proof of Insurance?
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:28:46 GMT
Reply-To: rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Distribution: ca
Organization: Elkhorn Yacht Club, Moss Landing CA

dman@netcom.com (Dallman Ross) writes:

>I've been led to believe the same thing.  I believe him, having read
>about it when they changed the law.  No source to give you offhand, though.

It was in the Monterey Herald yesterday that the insurance reform bill
that went to Gov. Wilson contained a requirement to provide proof of
insurance in order for the car to be (re)registered. I am assume if this
happens that we will also be required to provide proof of insurance to
the police.
From: lee@luke.rsg.hac.com (C. Lee)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:20:04 GMT
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Company; Culver City, CA

I've seen white cars mark "State Police" in Los Angeles.  I saw one on a
freeway that looked like it had pulled someone over and was giving a
ticket, and once saw one on a surface street that also looked like it had
pulled someone over and was giving a ticket.

I grew up in Los Angeles, and I had never seen anyone on a local freeway
pulled over except by the CHP, so I was really surprised and wondered
"Who the hell are these white car'ed 'State Police' people?"
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 14:59:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.092725.15211@sactoh0.sac.ca.us> mfolivo@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Mark Newton-John) writes:
>
>The State Police has jurisdiction over state property like the
>Capitol (no vagrants in the parks surrounding the Capitol) and cal
>Expo (where the State Fair is held)
>
>In other cities you might find them, but for the most part, they
>are inconspicious.

They handle the state-owned museums in Exposition Park in L.A. as well.
(You can tell the state-owned from county-owned museums - the state
ones are free!.) These include the Air and Space Museum, the
From: calvins@suzies.Eng.Sun.COM (Christopher Klein)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Speed trap - Embarcadero&El Camino, PA
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:55:17 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: suzies

In article <134686@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> ari@viipuri.nersc.gov (Ari Ollikainen) writes:
>In article <1992Aug27.190753.15436@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> rfrench@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert S. French) writes:
>>The Palo Alto Revenue Officers are at it again.  One guy with a radar
>>gun on the Alma overpass, and a whole gaggle of cops next to
>>Town&Country pulling over everyone in sight.
>
>Huh?? Unless school is in session (That's a school zone, for the unobservant)
>a radar ticket on Embarcadero would lose in court! The PAPD can *only* radar
>enforce the segments of Embarcadero which qualify as School Zones. 
>Check it out!
>
School starts next Tuesday, but teachers are in.  Are they using this
quirk to catch the unwary?

I was there too, but going in the other direction. It kind of made me feel
better to sit there in the T&C lot and watch the people get pulled over.
I know, sort of sick, but I'll get my just deserts, I'm sure.

If you were caught, I'm sorry. 

`Chris

--
Christopher Klein   (415) 336-5959      |     Cacophony & Dyspepsia    |
calvins@suzies.Eng.Sun.Com              |             - * -            |
My comments are entirely my own, sheesh!|      Software Engineers      |
From: lazarus@ocf.berkeley.edu (Andrew J. Lazarus)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Buying a used car -> sales tax
Date: 29 Aug 1992 23:21:12 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tempest.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Aug11.235340.28017@ntmtv> katcher@ntmtv.UUCP (Martin Katcher) writes:
>From article <1992Aug11.210938.13926@aero.org>, by helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman):
 
>> Why do so many people in this country think they're over-taxed?
 
>> The tax rates (even taken as Federal, state, and local, together) are
>> still miniscule compared to almost any other industrial Western democracy.

>I expect to get a dollars worth of necessary goods and necessary services
>for each of my tax dollars. Other states seem to run pretty well without
>a state income tax, highway robbery auto personal property tax, and
>completely unfair real estate tax assessments.

Very few states are now without an income tax.
As to our very unfair assessments, that is a consequence of the vote of
the people (Prop 13), not the legislature. Why my house is assessed at
market value while my neighbors' is assessed at maybe a third ours (and
they have a nicer house!) is a mystery to me (in the sense of morals --
I understand it as law).

andy
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: rpwhite@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: California STATE POLICE ?
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:37:09 GMT
Reply-To: rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)
Organization: Elkhorn Yacht Club, Moss Landing CA

markp@pro-palmtree.socal.com (Mark Panitz) writes:

>too bad, on the internet that no one is a CHP officer who could answer
>these questions for you.

<sarcasm on>
No, but there are plenty of net.cops out there more than willing to try
and enforce their view of what USENET should be.
<serious mode>

Anyway, I saw a stunt pulled one night. I was driving North on 101 to
SF through Mountain View. I was doing 70-75 with the flow and saw a cop
coming up the on ramp so I slowed down and dropped back. I noticed it
was a Palo Alto cop and wondered what he was up to. I found out soon
enough. He fell in behind the traffic in front (it was night) and
everyone behind him dropped back. He stayed back there for awhile and
then after we entered PA he pulled over the dude he had selected. I
always thought he did this because he was out of his jurisdiction, but
if he can do it anywhere why did he wait? Or does the revenue from the
ticket go to the locality where it is issued vice who issues it? Do they
do this sort of thing a lot up there?
Newsgroups: ca.driving
From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Subject: Re: Need real info on 'Stalker' radar.
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 16:39:11 GMT

"Stalker" radar is just another radar gun, using a segment of the Ka
band not used by photo radar.  (Sorry, don't know the frequencies off
the top of my head.)  By virtue of the Ka band's properties, it is
even shorter range than K-band radar.  In the SF Bay area, San Jose is
currently using it; I don't yet know who else might be.

The "Stalker" gun is just another step in the countermeasure -
counter-countermeasure game being played by cops 'n' speeders these
days.  Its sole reason for existence is to outwit the radar detectors
that aren't equipped to find it.  A good wideband detector, sold by
Escort or Valentine Research (and others to follow shortly, no doubt)
will pick it up without difficulty.

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@charon.arc.nasa.gov
    Tired of being microwaved
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: ca.driving
Subject: Re: Does the CHP still exist?
Date: 27 Aug 92 02:35:04 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA
Originator: daemon@sword.eng.pyramid.com

In article <3860016@mothra.rose.hp.com> barry@mothra.rose.hp.com (Barry Fowler) writes:
>Try driving 72 MPH in Hwy 80 betweenn Loomis and Newcastle (slightly East
>of Sacramento).  Then you'll discover **where** the CHP are (a big revenue
>route).

   On Interstate 80 going up to Tahoe, it seems the CHP like to add
   insult to injury.  All the times I've seen a sack of CHP's along
   the freeway, they were clustered on the westbound side.  I guess
   they figure that if you have any money at all left from the
   folks in Reno and Tahoe, they might as well take it.  

   Surprising really, you'd think they would want you while your
   wallet is still fat on the way TO Nevada.