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From: visbieda@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Christopher Bieda)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Buffalo lost ... does anyone remember?
Date: 24 Jan 93 02:17:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1993Jan23.202832.15120@nmsu.edu>, dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes...

>How about Bisons games in the Rockpile?  I think like every other vacant lot on  
>the old East Side, they built new houses on the old Rockpile site.

No, no, no.  When War Memorial was torn down, it was replaced (well, actually
it's being replaced) with an athletic complex: track, practice fields, etc. 
These facilities will be used in the World University Games this July.

The Dodge/Jefferson and Best/Jefferson entrances to the Rockpile remain, and
will be incorporated into the new design.

Someone a few posts back suggested that Freddies Doughnuts was converted to a
NFTA bus barn.  Likewise, not so.  Freddies remains intact, and in fact, about
two weeks ago, realtor's signs appeared on the building (I can provide the
number of "Zipp's Realty" if anyone needs to own this bit of Buffalo history--I
go by it every morning!).  A new bus barn *is* being built nearby, immediately
south of the old (100 year!) Cold Spring Bus Garage, on Michigan.  (Yes, there
were no buses 100 years ago--it began life as a *real* barn for horse-drawn
trolleys.)  I shed a tear every time I remember those cherry frycakes from
Freddies; they will never be equaled.
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From: strzelin@sscdaq.phy.bnl.gov (Bob Strzelinski)
Subject: Re: Southern Tier
Organization: Physics Dept., Brookhaven National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:46:33 GMT

Ah, the Parkway Diner, just up the parkway from SUNY Bingo -- featuring the
best cheesecake in the known universe!!!

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From: KNIEPSLJ@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu ()
Subject: Re: Rochester Red Wings Stadium
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:04:40 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24


> To answer an earlier question about the future of the stadium, who knows what
> will happen.  The Wings won't go to Greece.  The Greece site requires NYS money
> and that will require Silent Tom Ryan to sign off on the transfer of the Wings,
> and he won't.  David Gantt does not want the Wings to leave Norton Street, and
> will block ANY move in the legislature.  Bob King wants the Franklin Street 
> site (why?) and Tom Ryan wants the Plymouth Street site.  I don't see either
> of those as much of an improvement on Norton Street.  Gantt hates King, King
> dislikes Ryan, Ryan doesn't like Republicans, and the people of Rochester
> are going to get shafted.


this weeks USA TODAY'S BASEBALL WEEK says Greece *is* the new sight for 
the RRWings
From: sknezevi@phakt.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Gee I sure hope........
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:07:33 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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rkennedy@triton.unm.edu (Ronald E. Kennedy) writes:

>Gee I sure the Buffalo Bills don't turn into the Denver Broncos of the 90's.

Yeah, I really hope so...or I'm out 10 bucks.

Steve Knezevich
From: steveo@custard.think.com (stephen anthony)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: New demarcation between upstate and downstate needed
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:18:58
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In-reply-to: v140pxgt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu's message of 21 Jan 93 21:33:00 GMT

In article <C183t1.ABx@acsu.buffalo.edu> v140pxgt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes:

   In article <STEVEO.93Jan21093419@custard.think.com>, steveo@custard.think.com (stephen anthony) writes...
   >In article <C16Cwp.6oK@acsu.buffalo.edu> v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes:
   > 
   >   Which is, of course, my point in a nutshell. It's cultural more than anything 
   >   else, and (anybody listening? this is a hint) there's a whole master's thesis 
   >   in cultural geography that can be derived from this.
   > 
   >Indeed. "Saturday Night Live" has spread downstate culture far and wide (too
   >much so, IMHO).

   A good point-some of the best most recent sketches (Like "Coffee Talk") depend
   on New York City in-jokes. I'll be sitting there laughing my head off (having
   grown up in Northern New Jersey) and my fiancee, a native Buffalonian, will be
   going "huh?".

   Although have shown a willingness to be do other regionally based humor (like
   the "Da Bears" sketches and the New England game show they did last month 
   "How do I get there" which was *very* funny if you'd spent any time in New 
   England, but if not, not).

Jeez, I didn't find it that funny. Of course the fact that they
mispronouced town names and obviously had no idea how to get from one place
to another had something to do with my frustration with the sketch.

Of course, your milage may vary, so to speak. 

But to put some upstate thought back into this thread, I think that the
upstate-downstate idea is only germaine to downstaters. Everyone else
would describe themselves as being from the area they live in; not Upstate.
IE, Syracusians would call themselves Central NYers; Potsdamians, Northern
NYers; Buffalonians, Western NYers, etc. 

So to me, it's a downstate-nondownstate demarcation that's needed.

Yet another $0.02.

--
Steve Anthony                     |  "Ain't nobody gettin' outta here |
Software Engineer              	  |   with out singin' the blues"     |
(617) 234-4000                    |                                   |
steveo@think.com                  |  - Albert "The Iceman" Collins    |
From: sknezevi@phakt.usc.edu (Steven John Knezevich)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Buffalo Lost - the first list!
Date: 27 Jan 1993 16:16:55 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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v140pxgt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes:

>Some other pertinent additions:

>*Gold Circle (supermarket) - My fiancee used to work there, she calls it
>Chrome Circle. What happened to it? when did they go under? 

Their Optical Department still exists on Niagra Falls Boulevard next to 
Manakins...what used to be the Three Coins?  I think....
Anyway...GC went way under....and they were a crappy store anyway.  They used 
to advertise a certain price when you picked the merchandise up off the shelf
and then charge a higher price when you got to the register.  I remember it
used to take a billion years to get out of there too...slow registers.  Man,
How many G.I. Joe guys did I buy in there?

Now, a TOPS international exists in it's place.

Steve Knezevich

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From: sod@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Sean M O Donnell)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Buffalo Lost - the first list!
Date: 26 Jan 1993 05:13:15 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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From article <C1Fos8.EJy@acsu.buffalo.edu>, by v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case):
> In article <1993Jan25.215454.7529@nmsu.edu>, dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes...
> 
> As someone who is a relative newcomer to Buffalo and does not have this past,
> let me make a few corrections that reflect Buffalo's present:
> 

Stuff deleted...
> 
>>* Memorial Auditorium - Main Street, Buffalo (future uncertain if new Aud is  
>>built)
> 
> If the Crossroads project is built, it will be on the site of the old Aud 
> (which would be good-when I went to a Bandits game last spring (my first ever
> visit to the Aud) I can honestly say that its age and organization almost make
> Madison Square Garden look good. The Aud's saving grace is that, unlike MSG,
> the rink/court is at ground level, not five stories up).

The Crossroads project?  What's this all about?

Its only been 4 years since I left UB, but it sounds like a lot has happened.
Is the Bluenote jazz club still there (Main St. next to Freddie's) or
the Central Park Grill (further down Main, near the windshield wiper plant)?
Two great places...

What's become of the old psychiatric institution near Buff State?

Oh, here's one... Mighty Taco at the corner of Sheridan and... what's the
name of the road connecting the Main Street campus to Amherst?  Anyway,
it was across from Duff's.  Passed through there on quite a few late nights as
did about 90% of the dorm residents, the cat even ate their Mexican variation
on the "belly bomber".

Sean

> 
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From: jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall)
Subject: Re: Minor League Hockey coming to Syracuse?
Organization: Penn State Department of Mathematics
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 07:26:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.052907.8245@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> sdittman@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Scott Dittman) writes:
>Jeremy D Hall (jdh@math.psu.edu) wrote:
>: While talking to my parents yesterday, they mentioned that apparently some
>: group is trying to lure the Roanoke Valley Rebels of the East Coast Hockey 
>: League to Syracuse.  Is there any truth to this?  It would be nice to have a
>: team there (c'mon, even UTICA has a team!).
>
>: -Jeremy Hall
>: -Penn State Univ.
>: -Syracuse (Liverpool, actually) native
>: jdh@math.psu.edu
>
>The Roanoke Valley RAMPAGE (new name this year)  won it's first game in a
>while last night.  The quality of hockey down here is just not what it
>should be.  Fine, send 'em to Seeracyooz!  Maybe they'll get better.
>-- 
>Scott Dittman                    email: sdittman@wlu.edu
>University Registrar             talk: (703)463-8455   fax: (703)463-8024
>Washington and Lee University    snail mail:  Lexington Virginia 24450

Actually, it's pronounced (by me, anyway), SEER-A-KYOOS (no 'z' sound).  But
a nice try, anyway.

Still pulling for that hockey team,
Jeremy Hall
jdh@math.psu.edu
From: v140pxgt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Buffalo Lost - the first list!
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:32:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <C1GJs7.30u@acsu.buffalo.edu>, meachem@acsu.buffalo.edu (The Meach) writes...
>In article <C1Fos8.EJy@acsu.buffalo.edu> v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes:
>>
>>As someone who is a relative newcomer to Buffalo and does not have this past,
>>let me make a few corrections that reflect Buffalo's present:
>>
>>>! Bells (supermarket) - Various locations (sold, split up)
>>
>>There are plenty still around. There's one on Sheridan Drive at Delaware Av.,
>>on Main St. in Clarence, and in East Amherst, among many other locations.\
> 
>Better have another look, Dan. . . BTW: that's Sheridan Drive at Delaware Rd...
>and although the painted signage on the wall still says 'Bell's Bazaar', there
>is *already* a 'Quality Market' sign out front!
> 

You're absolutely right-last night I went out to Kinko's (near Sheridan and the
Boulevard) and looked across the road and realized I was wrong. I don't shop at
Bell's much anyway (no wonder they went bankrupt) and figured if they still said
"Bell's" on them, they were still Bell's. All three Bell's near the North Campus
have begun changing over (the East Amherst Bell's has the distinction of already
having totally been de-Bell's ized). 

God, I feel like such an idiot.

>Jo
From: v140pxgt@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Buffalo Lost - the first list!
Date: 27 Jan 93 00:28:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1k2h9bINNfct@uwm.edu>, sod@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes...
>From article <C1Fos8.EJy@acsu.buffalo.edu>, by v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case):
>> In article <1993Jan25.215454.7529@nmsu.edu>, dtasman@NMSU.edu (Dan Tasman) writes...
>> 
>> As someone who is a relative newcomer to Buffalo and does not have this past,
>> let me make a few corrections that reflect Buffalo's present:
>> 
> 
>Stuff deleted...
>> 
>>>* Memorial Auditorium - Main Street, Buffalo (future uncertain if new Aud is  
>>>built)
>> 
>> If the Crossroads project is built, it will be on the site of the old Aud 
>> (which would be good-when I went to a Bandits game last spring (my first ever
>> visit to the Aud) I can honestly say that its age and organization almost make
>> Madison Square Garden look good. The Aud's saving grace is that, unlike MSG,
>> the rink/court is at ground level, not five stories up).
> 
>The Crossroads project?  What's this all about?

The Crossroads project is the new arena plan which isn't definite yet, to be 
called, predictably enough, The Crossroads. As far as I know, it's supposed to
be a combination arena/mall, although not in one building, unlike the Hartford
Civic Center. 

The big problem is how to pay for it. It only took off recently when the Sabres
offered to sweeten the pot a bit financially and add luxury boxes.

> 
>Its only been 4 years since I left UB, but it sounds like a lot has happened.
As it stands, the county holds the cards (the state can only contribute so much)
and that would mean some tax hikes that would not be too popular, given that 
property taxes had to go up as is, and the sales tax is already as high as it
can get.

>Is the Bluenote jazz club still there (Main St. next to Freddie's) or
>the Central Park Grill (further down Main, near the windshield wiper plant)?
>Two great places...
> 
>What's become of the old psychiatric institution near Buff State?

It's still there and operating.

> 
>Oh, here's one... Mighty Taco at the corner of Sheridan and... what's the
>name of the road connecting the Main Street campus to Amherst?  Anyway,

Bailey Avenue.

>it was across from Duff's.  Passed through there on quite a few late nights as
>did about 90% of the dorm residents, the cat even ate their Mexican variation
>on the "belly bomber".

Hmmm-I think it's still there, although there's another one not too far away at
Maple and North Forest.

> 
>Sean
> 
>> 
"Fine art and pizza delivery-                   Dan Case
 what we do falls neatly in between!"		V140PXGT@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
		-David Letterman		Prodigy: WDNS15D
	State University of New York at Buffalo
From: feit@acsu.buffalo.edu (Elissa Feit)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Where Were You in the Blizzard of '77
Date: 28 Jan 93 04:58:16 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

well, I missed the Blizzard of 77 (I was a senior in H.S. in Long Island), but
I was in Buffalo during the blizzard of '83 (which I'm sure did not compare).
Nonetheless, my experience was this: I was living on the eastside, on Detroit
Street and about a day or so after the blizzard I walked to my sister's on
the westside, 3 miles away. It was utterly silent... no cars... no people. 
Nothing had been plowed.  The electricity on several streets was off. It was 
about 7PM and large white flakes were falling, slowly. I thought it was 
nuclear winter after Armageddon. I wished I had a movie camera to capture it,
and knew I'd never have that feeling again.

Elissa Feit (feit@cs.buffalo.edu // {rutgers,uunet}!cs.buffalo.edu!feit)
           "Always remember the last words of my grandfather.
            He said, `a truck.' "            --  Emo Philips
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From: fybush@world.std.com (Scott D Fybush)
Subject: Re: Rochester Red Wings Stadium
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:49:37 GMT

I don't think anything definite has been decided.  Personally I LOVE
Silver Stadium.  I never minded the drive from Brighton (hey, it
was shorter than my daily commute here in the Boston 'burbs), and
you can't beat parking on Seneca Ave. within sight of the ballpark.
And the park itself is a perfectly decent AAA facility, I think.

Why fix what's broken?

(Speaking of which, every summer I try to get down to Pawtucket
when the Wings are playing there.  Talk about fun...being the
only person in the stands wearing the red "R" cap and being
the only one cheering for the 'Wings :-).  Nobody's killed
me yet down there...)

Scott Fybush -- fybush@world.std.com 
CALLING DANNY WEGMAN!!! Waltham MA awaits one of your stores...QUICK!
From: lewocz@acsu.buffalo.edu (John S. Lewocz)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Any Alumni of either Cheektowaga Central HS or Utica College out there?
Date: 22 Jan 93 04:58:46 GMT
Organization: UB


Since this seems to be the newsgroup to do it, I'm doing it.

I graduated from CCHS in 1979 and I attended a lot of evening
classes at UC from '85-'88.  Mostly CS stuff.

It would be interesting to hear from someone with whom I
crossed paths.

Thanks.

--John Lewocz
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From: johnyg@microsoft.com (John Geer)
Subject: Re: Where Were You in the Blizzard of '77
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:47:17 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <C18IJr.81D@world.std.com> fybush@world.std.com (Scott D Fybush) writes:
>I always used to hate seeing "Brockport" on the list of cancellations,
>because it meant they had passed by "Brighton" without announcing it
>was cancelled :-(!
>
>Scott Fybush -- fybush@world.std.com
>WEGMANS WITHDRAWAL SUFFERER IN WALTHAM MASS. -- GO RED WINGS!!!!!!!!!!

And I always LOVED hearing "Brockport" on the list!

The blizzard hit on the day my brother, mother and I went to Caledonia
for our dentist appointment (Dr. D'Angelo, who's practice was right above
his father's Nickel and Dime, a real, operating relic where we always picked
up cap guns, rubber alligators, coloring books, etc...).  We were on the
way home when we had to turn around at the county park and golf course
in Churchville (where my parents had first met AND where I later worked
one summer in college) not 10 miles from home.   We had to stay with granny 
in Caledonia and eat popcorn balls and peanut brittle until the roads were 
cleared. 


-- 
John Y. Geer
ttoo mmuucchh ccooffee
My opinions are. 

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From: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Subject: Re: WKBW (Was Re: Buffalo lost ... does anyone remember?)
Originator: gds@york.cs.ucla.edu
Reply-To: gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner)
Organization: in your face!
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 23:13:03 GMT

In article <1993Jan23.183246.11538@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> john@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (John Blasik) writes:
>I won't even mention the radio station at 1520 on your AM dial
>since many posters are flershing that out.

When I lived in NYC as a kid, I used to listed to KB radio 15 at
night.  The signal was pretty strong.  One of the jingles they had
that I liked was "we belong, we belong, together (then in deep voice)
just you and WKBW, Buffalo."

Al Bandeiro (sp?) used to DJ for WXLO (back in the late 70's, these
were the call letters for the station at 98.7 MHz), then he went to
Buffalo to DJ for KB radio 15.  Then he came back to NYC again, and
worked for WKTU (92.3 MHz I think), then I lost track of him until
last year, when I found out that he was back in NYC working for WHQT
(97.1 MHz).  I remember he used to go by the name "The Italian
Stallion", and he also appeared in one of the Rocky movies as a sports
commentator, but didn't say very much.

--gregbo
From: reynard@romeo.caltech.edu (Greg Reynard)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Subject: Re: Buffalo lost ... does anyone remember?
Followup-To: alt.culture.ny-upstate
Date: 22 Jan 1993 02:31:13 GMT
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In article <1jknanINN163@spim.mti.sgi.com>, bglazier@buffalo.mti.sgi.com
(Bill Glazier) wrote:

> -  Anderson's Lemon Ice at their original location on Sheridan

^^^Still around, I'm pretty sure, although they did open a new one on Main
Street in Williamsville

> -  Ted's Red Hots

^^^Anyone remember Pat's Hotdogs across the street.  I still remember a
news report about the rivalry that ended with the reporter standing in the
middle of Sheridan, with a hotdog in each hand

*************************************************************************
*   Greg Reyard             *   "...as kinder gentler bombs explode     *
* reynard@romeo.caltech.edu *       in a thousand-points-of-light"      *
*    GO BILLS!!!            *                   - LARD                  *
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From: mcfaa@ils.unc.edu (Anne L. McFarland)
Subject: Re: anyone know of Baldwinsville?
Summary: Marcellus anyone
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:03:24 GMT


o any of you heard of Marcellus???  Sorry about the typo 
but this thing is really not working well today.
 
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:53:57 GMT

I'm not a UFA alum, but I had no idea it had closed!  What happened?

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From: hf10@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (FieryPhoenix)
Subject: Re: Troy --> Albany?
Organization: Cornell Information Technologies
Date: 21 Jan 93 19:21:27 GMT

morale@lib109.its.rpi.edu (Enrique Morales) writes:

<<deleted>>
>Amen to that wimpy stuff!!!
>I grew up in Long Island(no flames please)
>The LIE(LI Expressway) at 2am(when it is least congested) looks
>just like I787 during  rush hour.

I too am from L.I!  Although I don't like rush hour, I've grown accustomed to
it and so the commute from Troy to Albany doesn't look too bad.  (Specifically,
I was looking for the time distance from RPI to the Suny Albany campus)  My
SO, however, is from Binghamton where "everthing is ten minutes or under away
from my house"  We were talking about going to grad school at those two schools respectively and were arguing about how much of a pain in the ____ it would be
for us to have an apartment together and for one of us to commute.  Thus 
leading me to the above question.

1/2 hour to me is nothing compared to the traffic on the L.I.E. or even the
Northern Parkway!  Thanks for all those who answered my article.

-FP
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