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From: dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane)
Subject: Re: AFC Playoff Predictions
Organization: Wayne State University Math Department, Detroit
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:52:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.142653.3968@lgc.com> bernie@lgc.com (Bernie De La Torre) writes:
>I think it will be Miami and Buffalo in the AFC Championship game.
>They are the teams with the most playoff experience.
>
>I think Marino will be hot for Miami. He knows he doesn't have that
>many chances left, and he will make the best out of this. Look for the
>Miami offense to go all out on Sunday. If ther defense has a decent
>game, the score could be something like 31-10 for Miami.

I agree.  I'm not particularly impressed by the Dolphins, but the
Chargers are, IMHO, a bigger fluke than the '91 Lions.  Their schedule
was incredibly easy.

>I expect Buffalo to go all out also. They have nothing to lose now. 
>They have to feel like they've been given a second chance and should be
>pretty loose on Saturday. Pittsburgh does not have the fire power
>to keep up.

Again, I agree.  Buffalo is the best team in the AFC, and they are
probably enough better than Miami and Pittsburgh to overcome the fact
that they are going to be playing on the road.

Looks like this will be the third year in a row that Buffalo will lose
the Super Bowl.  IMO, the winner of the Eagles/Cowboys game will win the
Super Bowl.

--
David Frohardt-Lane   dfl@math.wayne.edu 
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Go Tigers, Lions, Pistons, Red Wings and Wolverines !!!!!!!!!!
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From: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Coughlin refuses NY Giants Coaching Position
Date: 7 Jan 1993 20:59:05 GMT
Organization: NASA - Langley Research Center
Distribution: world
Reply-To: azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips)
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In article <1993Jan7.010839.2059@PacBell.COM>, jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) 
writes:
> In article <Adriene_Nazaretian.93.0@QM.cis.YALE.EDU> 
> Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!) writes:

> >In article <1993Jan6.153041.28122@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM 
> >(JOHN)  writes:

> >>Offer youself to JPG, the Football Gods conduit, the ultimate SACRIFICE 
> >>for a young maiden. :-) Okay, I sorry. I couldn't resist this one
> >>Ms. UTRA PSYCHED G's FAN! :-)
> >>>
> >
> >NO FAIR!  You're a 9er FAN, YIKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKES, your just a conduit to
> >the Football DEMONS, you BEAST!
> >
> Hmmmm, I've been called an ANIMAL before! Hmmmm, come to think of it, 
> I have also been called "You BEAST! Please Don't Stop! :-)
> 
> >Football GODS, FORGIVE him, he knows not what he says, hear my prayers!
> >
> Sorry, Giants FANS do not have access to the FBGs.

Ah, but this Cowboys fan does! Begone, you perverted charlatan! You chickened
out on my bet! Instead, you pretended to shut up for poor, sweet ALN's
sake (something about not dragging her name thru mud). Now you're publicly 
LUSTING after her again!  You have no guts, no respect, no morals and no
honor to speak of!  

> >Damn, where is my net.football.savior when I NEED him?
> >
Sorry, but my steed threw a horseshoe.


COWBOYS FOREVER!


           John Paul Phillips
                  "Azjohn"
NASA - Langley Research Center
        Hampton, Virginia, USA
From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Is there one HONEST Bills fan?
Date: 5 Jan 93 03:52:33 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1993Jan04.122549.1770@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> chris@lightnin.Columbia.NCR.COM writes:
>
>UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!  We didn't expect the Bills to win in the first place.  We
>hade a lot of fun and the outcome was incredible.  The only complaint that
>I have with the game was the commentary by Todd Christianson (sp?).  What

You don't have any right to criticize him. You never expected the Bills to
win. I went to the game and fully expected the Bills to win it. I did give
up on them when it was 35-3, but who didn't?

>an asshole.  Never once did he give the Bills any credit for their tremendous
>effort.
>>
>>FACTS:  Beebe stepped out of bounds and it was not
>>called and he ran in for a TD. Although this COULD HAVE
>>been the game for the Oilers, IMHO, I believe Da Bills
>>WOULD HAVE found a way to win this one. 
>>-- 
>
>   I thought that Beebe was pushed out by the defender.  Is there a rule
>about being pushed out and coming back in?
>            ^^^^^^

There used to be, but that rule has been omitted. Bad call by the refs.
--Jim

>> ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
>>"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
>>everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
>
>   Chris    a Bills fan
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN)
Subject: Re: Steelers
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:23:35 GMT

In article <C0Ey5z.2yo@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> cscdc@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dan Carpenter) writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.012516.1602@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:
>>>
>>Okay, I don't normally predict :-), but the Bills will lose.
>>Why? The Bills played their BEST EVER against the Oilers.
>>
>>In the event my prediction is wrong...:-), then I predict 
>>the Bills will win in an emotional, thrilling last second
>>TD to win. Then will die! :-)
>
>I haven't heard, but if Pittsburgh  doesn't have O'Donnell-QB (sp?), I
>don't think they will win.  I think it may be a close game again, but
>not so high of total score.
>
>Dan
>
It has been announced previously that O'Donnell will play.



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 ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
"To be absolutely certain about something, one must know
everything or nothing about it."   Olin Miller
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: grout@sp90.csrd.uiuc.edu (John R. Grout)
Subject: Re: Kelly to play vs. M ami
Reply-To: j-grout@uiuc.edu
Organization: UIUC Center for Supercomputing Research and Development
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 00:20:50 GMT

dht@controls.ccd.harris.com (Danh Tran) writes:

>Let me say this.  If Kelly is not playing this week and Reich somehow can 
>lead the Bills to a third consecutive win, then there will be a big 
>controversy of who would be the starting QB in SB.  If Reich can guide
>the Bills to SB, then obviously noone should deny him a chance to play
>one more game in SB.

No way.

>He might be the one who would get them to the SB rings.

>However, what about Kelly?  He is always their QB, right!  In my opinion,
>I think Kelly understands the situation very well.  With Reich as a starting
>QB this week and with a win, Kelly can say good bye to the SB.

Again, no way.

>Instead, he
>will stand on the sideline and watch Reich performs.  So, it is better late
>or forever.   No matter how he feels about his arm or his knee, Kelly must
>start this week if he wants to be part of the SB (provide that they win this 
>week). 

>The solution is to have the Dolphins win.  Period.  Need I say more ????

NO WAY!!!

--
John R. Grout			| INTERNET: j-grout@uiuc.edu
From: ckoontz@aud.alcatel.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Verne Lundquist
Keywords: Biased, Notre Dame, Northwestern
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:48:30 GMT
Distribution: rec

Listening to Verne Lundquist call a Cowboys game is like listening to
Brent Musburger call a Northwestern game.

--
Carl Koontz
ckoontz@rdxsun40.aud.alcatel.com
From: vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Vernon H Harmon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills, 9'ers
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:54:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.kfHz9Lq00WDK07UlZb
Distribution: usa
Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.football.pro: 10-Jan-93 Bills, 9'ers
Ronald Fedkiw@redwood.ma (1018)

> Super Bowls?
> 9 matchups:

> (1) Buffalo vs S.F. - great game, has S.F. improved enough to win?
>                       Can Young win a Super Bowl? Will Montana play?
>                       Will Kelly? 
> (2) Buffalo vs Dallas - Thomas vs Smith, will Dallas choke without
>                         experience? will the Bills choke worse?
> (3) Buffalo vs Philly - TWO WILDCARDS - amazing - slim chance
> (4) Miami vs S.F. - already seen it, Miami is dead
> (5) Miami vs Dallas - Marino has expierience. Achyman has diapers.
> (6) Miami vs Philly - Miami O vs Philly D, interesting
> (7) S.D. vs S.F. - S.F. blowout, boring
> (8) S.D. vs Dallas - Dallas win, boring
> (9) S.D. vs Philly - Philly win, boring

this is really interesting! considering that Buffalo is the only AFC
team you look forward to seeing in the SB and that Miami and SD can only
make it by knocking off the 'Chips, why is it that SD and Miami don't
get much of a chance from you?

--Vernon.
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From: nix@aslslc43.asl.dl.nec.com (David Nix)
Subject: Re: Reich DOES it again
Organization: NEC America, Inc Irving TX
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:45:21 GMT

>Isn't the Miami comeback the greatest comeback in college football history?

Maybe, but I recall that the University of Nevada Reno overcame a 35 point
deficeit last season.  Can anyone confirm this?

Nix
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From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Subject: Re: Where will Joe go?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:19:10 GMT

daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418) writes:

>The sane sentiment so far is

>	Raiders
>	Chiefs
>	Chargers
>	Steelers

>	Saints
>	Vikings

>Personally, I hope he doesn't end up with the Raiders, because I don't
>think that's a healthy situation with Al Davis fiddling towards
>senility.

Actually this is a safe bet... Als always been a sucker for a old
near wash up with a couple of years left. Especially a superstar
ticket seller.  And Joe would start.

>Joe probably wouldn't like to go to Pitt or KC because they are cold,
>far away from business interests on the coast, and have artificial
>turf.  So my pick for the moment is San Diego.

No way.... San Diego is in LOVE with Humpheries... and behind him their
other love (Friesz). And Spanos wouldnt pay Montana salary even if
he needed him.


KC is a good choice.    

No Way: Giants, Saints 

el
From: ajay@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ajay Shekhawat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills-Oilers
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:54:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB

kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:

>Boy what a choke job by the Hou defense. What a pathetic job at playing
>zone defense. In a zone, you have to take away the deep stuff first, *then*
>the short pass. To give up so many big plays deep in a zone is awful.

>The Bills did catch 2 breaks;

>o That catch by Beebe after he stepped out of bounds. The ump on the line
>  was not looking at Beebe's position. Bad officiating, bottom line.

Well, not quite. If the receiver is *pushed* out of bounds, he can come back
and still remain an eligible receiver. This is akin to the receiver being
pushed out of bounds when he goes up for a reception: if he would have landed 
inside, it's a valid reception.


>o That INT by the Bills in OT. Talley just tackled the Hou WR allowing
>  the INT to be made.

Well, bad calls go both ways. I'm sure Houston got a few calls their way too.


Ajay
--
ajay@cs.Buffalo.EDU
From: clg292@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: THE RETURN OF CRAP FOOTBALL
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:14:08 GMT
Organization: Strathclyde University VAX Cluster

For the regular readers of this newsgroup, some of you might remember
a couple a artilcles written intiled crap football, well it's back after
a long absence.
American footballers are nothing but a bunch of pumped up junkies.To call
it a sport is an injustice to all proper sports.It seems to me more of
a competition to see who can take the most steroids without killing 
themselves, or getting caught.Well actually the chance of getting caught
is remote as the teams and the N.F.L seem to condone the the use of these
drugs, and are doing little to stop it.
What's the punishment for being the best college footballer and getting
caught using drugs? You get a mult-million dollar contract for one of
the best teams in the country.Call me stupid, but it's hardly
a deterent.
It's time drugs abuse was stoped in football.Then again if
they did that there would'nt be any decent players left.Without drugs
your guys would'nt even get a game for a school rugby team over here.
American Football is a sport? for wimps, and poofs without the commitment
to make it without drugs.
So chew on that you self-serving, arogant illigitimates.

Real men play soccer

Hamish
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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Two "West Coast" Teams in the Conference Title Game ...
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 00:40:56 GMT

In article 5196@equinox.unr.edu,  schnell@pyramid.unr.edu (Dan Schnell) writes:
>
>Okay, let's just s'ppose here.
>
>Chargers beat Fish.
>Bills beat Steelers.
>
>Niners beat Redskins.
>Dallas/Philly whatever.
>
>The pairings for next week would be:
>Buffalo at San Diego
>San Francisco hosts game.
>
>Now, both games would be on sunday, and both games would be on the west
>coast.  Which game would be the "early game", starting at 10AM pacific
>time?  I can tell you right now, the Chargers would get screwed, and have
>to play the early game, fate is cruel to the Chargers in Afc championship
>history.  San Francisco would "pull rank" and demand the prime start time.
> Or what does youse think?


I think it was a couple of seasons ago when the Broncos and 49ers both hosted
the conference title games ... they had the Denver game start at 11:30 local
time, which equated to 13:30 here on the East Coast.  The 49ers then played
at 14:00 local, which was 17:00 out here.

I have to figure that something like this would happen again ... I don't think
the league would make a team play "early" like that ... I wonder if there is a
rule regarding the earliest time that a team can kick off ... I have to think
it is 11:30 local time, as I have yet to see an "early game" at Mile High or
Sun Devil Stadiums (which would be 11:00 local time)

Lessee, Chargers at 11:30 local (14:30 EST) and 49ers at 15:00 local
(18:00 EST) ... or perhaps a "normal" start for one and a primetime game
for the other (that being 20:00 EST)


Bob - too many "IF"'s ...   :-)

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From: jtaenzler@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Epitome of a perfect season...NOT!
Organization: Clark University
Date: 11 JAN 93 17:58:56 GMT

The Redskin/49rs game was the perfect end to a perfect season...not!
The game was the epitome of the entire season for the skins.  Last season
the skins dominated the NFL by playing as a team.  This season there was
little in the way of team playing and much in the way of individual mistakes.
Starting with Rypian's hold out.  He returned as the three-million-dollar-
man.  He spent the majority of the season trying to prove that he was worth
all the money.  The team' performance was secondary to his own expectations.
Of course all the injuries didn't help.  It is difficult, I imagine, to play 
as a unified team when the team players changed from game to game.  

The only player that benifited from selfish play was Wilbur Marshall.  He had an
outstanding year (probably the best season since he left da Bears), but he
did it by not depending on his teammates.  He did things his way, and for the
most part, it worked.  However, Marshall was the exception rather than the
rule.

All year long, people have been dogging Ryp, but I can't remember when the 
posse made such consistent mistakes.  Clark, when he wasn't having temper  
tantrums, kept dropping the ball all season.  I guess he got the
Pam mixed up with the stickum.  Monk, at least outwardly, played more like
a team member than any of the other receivers.  Unfortunately, his age was
beginning to catch up with him.

I believe the success that has been acheived was due to Coach Gibbs.  
Unfortunately, he was providing a team strategy, not separate individual 
strategies.  He made the best of a lousey situation, and as many analysts have 
aggreed, he had probably had his finest season as a coach.

They have a saying in AA: principles before personalities, and this was the 
difference between this year's team and last year's team.  And in the last 
game of the season, the team didn't lose, the individuals on the team lost 
just as they had lost all year.

SKINS FOREVER!

*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*
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* Billy was a mountain. You don't fuck with Billy. Billy don't fuck around  *
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From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Eagles vs. Cowboys
Date: 5 Jan 93 15:11:06 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

From an Eagles fan:


Both teams will play hard.

Eagles have dedicated the season to Jerome.  in the past, their goal was to
make the play-offs.  They are no longer content to be the bridesmaid.
Randall has screwed his head on tight.  They will remember the first meeting
with Dallas, they will remember the second meeting.

Dallas wants to prove they are no fluke.  They have Emmit.  No matter what you
think of Troy, the offense gets it done.  They are a young team, they want to
do it all.  They will remember their first meeting with the Eagles (with JJ as
a head coach, how could they forget?], they will remember the second meeting.
JJ won't let them rest on their fannies thinking they can easily beat the
Eagles again.

I hope it's a good game, it has the makings of one.  I hope it comes down to
the final seconds.  I hope I see something set off a JJ tantrum - I love to
watch him make a fool of himself - but what does he care what I think?
 
-- 

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From: jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes)
Subject: Re: Eagles Victory...
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:46:26 GMT
Summary: Eagles vs Cowboys

In article <3242@devnull.mpd.tandem.com>, dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
> In article <1993Jan5.151650.22501@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:
> >It's funny that you mention the last Eagles/Cowboys game.  Seems to me
> >the first half of that game was very similar to the NFC WildCard game
> >on Sunday.  The Eagles offense struggled for first downs which gave the
> >opponents the ball for almost the entire first half.
> 
> One crucial difference, though:  the Eagles offense continued to struggle
> throughout the rest of the game, too.

That's right.  And the Cowboys, who you said had a much superior offense
that the Saints, scored 20-points playing with the ball all day long.
The Saints, playing with the ball for only half the game, also scored
20-points.

> >> The Eagles have won five in a row, but the Cowboys have had two dominating
> >> wins in a row, too, over the Falcons and the Bears.
> >Oooooh, I'm impressed!
> 
> And the Eagles streak included the Giants twice.  What's your point?

That the Eagles have won five games in a row.  The Giants twice, the
Vikings, the Seahawks, the Redskins, and the Saints.

> >Eagles' lack of road success?  They've won two in a row and
> >three of their last four on the road.
> 
> And 5 out of 8 during the regular season, including one at a certain Texas
> Stadium.  Oh, yeah, that's where the *next* game is, too, isn't it?

I'm not denying that the Eagles had a poor road record this season.
But their road losses all came at a point when they were struggling.
Randall was terrible and the defense was hampered by injuries, and
was using different starters each week.  Now that Randall is back on
track and the defense has gotten healthier, the team has won on the
road.  As I stated, two in a row and three out of the last four.

> >And while you're at it, can you tell us how
> >many playoff games Troy Aikman has won?
> 
> And how many has Cunningham won?  Just one.  I think the difference is
> that Cunningham has also *lost* three.  Aikman's record is 0-0.  It's
> pretty pitiful that you have to trumpet the fact that Cunningham finally
> won a playoff game, and did so before Aikman only because the Eagles lost
> out in the regular season!  Sad, indeed.

I'm not trumpeting anything.  Whenever any Eagles-basher talked about
the team's playoff chances they brought up the fact that Randall never
won a playoff game.  I just figured I'd remind all you people who
loved to mention that fact that your team's QB hasn't won one either.

> >Gawd, it's fun on this newsgroup in January:-)!
> 
> Very true.  Better enjoy it while you can; you've only got about five
> days left! :^)

We shall soon see about that!


E-A-G-L-E-S

Joe Dakes
AT&T Microelectronics
555 Union Boulevard
Allentown, PA  18103
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From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: POOF! The carriage turn back into a PUMKIN!
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Originator: news@nimaster
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 00:23:10 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.000416.21267@PacBell.COM> JOHN,
jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM writes:
>Next Sunday, Bills VS Miami.....shootout galore expected!
>This game is a toss-up! If Marino is on AND their Defense
>is up to it, then I give the FISH the edge. Either way,
>the best two teams from the respective leagues will be
>playing for the Championship's next week!
>

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to see the final playoff blowout of the day.
 How did the fins overcome the loss of Offerdahl.  It always seemed to me
(as a casual observer) that he was the main man for that defense.  I know
that the Fins D is much improved, but a shutout without their best
linebacker?  What happened in this game?

(Fish, please keep woofing to a minimum when replying to this post.  I
have a headache from listening to Iggles woofing for the last week!!   
(-: (-:  :-p

FRANK
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