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From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: WHAT HONDA IS THIS?
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:47:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

-> I just received a coupon book from Honda and on one page, titled
-> "Honda Welcones Two New Family Members", it showed two new Hondas.
-> One of them is a Del Sol (I know this car :)) but I have little clue
-> on the other.  It looks like a Civic 4 door, but it has only 2 door
-> (but not the hatch-back!), so it's a coupe.  It's got the door handle
-> of a Civic, and the head looks pretty much like a Civic (It's a side
-> view).  But the tail is new to me.  It kinda like a ... (Well, I
-> dunno)  It has only plastic wheel cover, so I assume it won't be an
-> Accord.
->
-> Could this be a 93 Civic coupe?

   Yes, it is, there is a Civic coupe for 93'.  Don't know any of the
specs for it.  All I know is that for 93' there are new exterior colors
on the Civics.  Also, the Special Edition SE's are comming back for 93'.
 Everything on the SE Accords are body colored like the Integra GS-R's,
different rims, and a different wing.  Also, finally the VTEC Prelude is
hitting the states for 93'.



Erich Lim
erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us
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Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ggg@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Gary Goodlund)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Opinion wanted on Mazda MX-6 LS and Honda Prelude Si
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:55:30 GMT
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA

We've had seven Mazdas in our family in  the past twenty years and have been
very pleased with both the performance and their reliability.  These have 
included 1 RX-3, 2 626 5-Door Touring Sedans, & 4 RX-7s.  I don't rate their 
luxury levels up with the BMWs or the Jaguar that I have now but they are
very good in their price range.  

It all comes down to how your tastes run, but I wouldn't let concerns with
the comparitive quality between Mazda and Honda keep me away.

Good Luck,
      Gary
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From: sheriffp@Software.Mitel.COM (Peter Sheriff)
Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Touch-up paint
Date: 1 Oct 92 13:10:00 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.


    Pat Goss of Motorweek did a spot on this some months back. I will try
to remember his method.

    Clean off the immediate area with rubbing alcohol. If there is rust
in the chip, glue a small piece of fine sandpaper to a pencil eraser
and rotate this in the chip until all of the rust is sanded off. I 
think that he used a primer first and then the touch-up paint but I don't
recall that well. He used the end of a match (matchbook type (cardboard))
to apply the paint because the brush was usually too clumsy. Fill the
chip as much as possible letting the paint dry between coats until it is
flush with the old paint. Let it all dry thoroughly and then polish the
car.

    That's all I remember.

                Pete
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: shultz_ed@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: Motorola,Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:41:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.202018.444@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (Andreas 
Tovornik) writes:

>In article 1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu, kpjone01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu () writes:
>>Anyone have any comments/arguments on whether Front Wheel Drive (FWD) or
>>Rear Wheel Drive (RWD) is better for handling?  Obviously this is a very
broad
>>subject but I have a friend that says FWD is best and I do not agree.  Anyone
>>have some proof of either?
>
>   Another typical FWD problem is the tendency to have torque steer with
>higher horsepower engines (>180 roughly), and since the weight of the car
>is more concentrated to the front, you get understeer or front end plow
>around corners and in curves.

Torque steer is a real problem with FWD cars.  I have a Mitsubishi Eclipse
Turbo with 190 hp and torgue steer is especially a problem when turning and
accelerating.  I now understand why AWD is offered with this car.  It is an
advantage on dry pavement as well as wet.  I prefer the handling of a RWD car
but the FWD is handy in the snow, therefore, I believe the best choice is AWD.

-Ed S.
From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:55:21 GMT
Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

In rec.autos, dbernard@thewho.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) writes:
>How many new RWD automobiles are still offered? There's the huge
>GM line (Buick Roadmonster/Caprice/new Fleetwood).  Is the Crown Vic?
>The trend seems clearly toward FWD, but don't know if that's mostly
>fashion or not.

It's not fashion as far as I can tell, but a cop-out for weight and
economics. (A good cop-out, but still a cop-out, esp when considering
a sports car.)

Ron                          Think about this one (seen on a bumper sticker):
			     The road to hell is bumper-to-bumper
			     Make a U-turn to God.
The irony is priceless.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: ang@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Mikey)
Subject: 92 or 93 Toyota Camry
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Services
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 06:07:22 GMT

I am considering buying either a 92 or 93 Toyota Camry (V6 LE, 5 spd + ABS)
Could somebody tell me what is a fair price or best deal for this car? 
(in Cdn$, if possible). Please mention if the price is PST, GST etc included. 

One thing, I was disappointed that Toyota Camry did not come up with a power
window features like the one found in Honda Accord.  The Accord's pwr window
system was designed in such a way that you can still use the power window
for 5-10 minutes after you shut-off the engin, as long as you do not open 
the doors. 

If you have any info on this car such as design faults, known problems, etc..
could you please share your opinion?  Thanks in advance

Mike.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: summ50@cse.unl.edu ()
Subject: Re: PC's vs. Mac's... was: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 01:47:25 GMT

eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:

>In article <1211@xlnt.COM> david@xlnt.com (David Johnson) writes:
>>	Just what is the difference between AWD and 4wd?

>marketing.  all-wheel drive is a phrase coined by the marketeers to
>mean permanent 4wd, while "4wd" by itself traditionally implied part
>time 4wd and conjured up images of locking hubs, transfer cases and
>several transmission shifters.  if a normal passenger sedan or sports
>coupe was sold as "4wd", the joe blow on the street is going to get
>mighty confused.  "can it haul 50 pounds of corn feed to my cows in
>the fields when it gets wet and muddy?"  i think that there was a
>legitimate need to differentiate cars like the Eagle Talon with cars
>like the old Subaru 4x4's.  (the legacy, however is quite wonderful
>despite the agricultural reputation of the marque)


>eliot

	Also, the AWD (or 4WD ) BMW 3-series actually had a "4x4" badge
	on the grill...

	
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From: dans@danix.UUCP (Dan Simoes)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Mazda 323 GTX Turbocharger sources
Date: 26 Sep 92 18:40:52 GMT
Organization: Danix Consulting

mccormic@bnr.ca (Shawn McCormick) writes:
> I recently lost the use of the turbo charger on my 1988
> Mazda 323 GTX (1.6 L DOHC). Mazda Canada wants almost
> $3500 (Cdn.) to replace the unit. Does anybody know of
> a source for alternative replacements/ used turbos / or
> a place that rebuilds them? (the bearing is shot). Any 
> help would be appreciated - please post replies as I don't
> have email.

I have not dealt with them before, but there are at least 2 reputable
places in the US that do what you are looking for:

>turbo city  714 639 4933
>turbo power  408 748 0151

They both rebuild and sell rebuilt turbos, I believe.

| Dan |
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rbencsic@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Robert  Bencsics)
Subject: Re: Cold Idling Problem Due to Damp Weather
Keywords: Cold Idling, Damp Weather
       
			 
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 06:20:26 GMT

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From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Timing belts on Honda
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:00:04 GMT
Organization: SynthMedia Productions Ltd -- Now Appearing Nightly With DON HO


ujmli@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:

ujmli> I have an '89 Accord LX with 45k and i'm concerned that the
ujmli> timing belt might break soon. Its suppose to be replaced at
ujmli> 60k, but i know lots of people with older Accords that had them
ujmli> break around much before 60k. One even had it break around 35k.
ujmli> [...]
ujmli> Should I go ahead and change mine before the recommended 60k?
ujmli> or would it be unneccesary?

Your '89 Accord's timing belt should be guaranteed until 90,000 miles --
have you checked with your dealer to make sure?  As for changing it
before its due date, this is up to you -- if it breaks prematurely
Honda should take responsibility for the resulting damage, but changing
it now would avert a big mess like this.  If you've heard enough first-
hand horror stories, I'd alert Honda, have your belt inspected, and if
there is a problem found with your belt, see if they will cover the
expense of changing it now instead of covering the expense of
repairing your engine later. :-)

ujmli> Also, i have a '92 Civic CX and i heard that its timing belt is
ujmli> suppose to last til at least 90k. Is that true?

Your '92 Civic should definitely be guaranteed until 90K.


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From: james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Probe / Mercury Capri / Ford Capri - Which?
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:34:35 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <1992Oct5.090258.1@sdl.mdcbbs.com> richardk@sdl.mdcbbs.com writes:
>In article <1992Oct4.232255.18081@koko.csustan.edu>, james@koko.csustan.edu (Jonas Grumpy) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct2.152110.1204@rtsg.mot.com> pacyga@rtsg.mot.com (Jim Pacyga) writes:
>>>In article <1992Oct1.140507.19527@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch writes:
>>>>
>>>>In article <1992Oct1.103509.1@sdl.mdcbbs.com>, richardk@sdl.mdcbbs.com writes:
>>>>|> Greetings car enthusiasts!
>>>>|> 
>>>>|> There I was, reading my car magazine last night, and it mentioned the release
> 
>> There is no way any peice of junk Mazda/Ford collaboration is going to live
>> up to the German Ford Capri. This car is pure gusto. Sadly the ones
>> that came to the U.S. never really got the powerful engines that would have
>> made the mustang look like the slug that it has been since '73. The German
>> Ford Capri remained in production all the way to '86 and in its final
>> form had a high comression CIS injected 3000cc V6 with around 155 hp.
>> There was also a tuned version available called the Tickford Capri with 200hp
>> 
>> --
>
>This is not entirly true! The 3.0 V6 version was superseeded long before '86
>with a much more powerful 2.8i version. This had uprated suspension and all
>those nasty trimmings you'd expect to see on a cheap car with a big engine (eg
>skirts, air dam, huge spoiler...). Yeah the German Capri was fast, but it
>handled like sh** and has developed a reputation that most car manufacturers
>cringe from. (Hence the doubts about renaming the Ford Probe the Ford Capri
>over here in Europe).

Yes, your right I have a picture ofthe 2.8i. I'm surprised that you think the
car handles bad. Maybe the V6 version oversteered a bit but I can think
of a lot of cars that handle worse. I know for a fact that the early four
cylinder capris handle very neutrally. Do you Brits still have access to 
suspension components for this car?
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From: cadet@spade.rutgers.edu (Uniquely TiJean)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: parts- CHEVY SPECTRUM
Date: 1 Oct 92 12:28:05 GMT
Distribution: rec.autos
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I recently got in an accident.
I need the following:
1 front bumper
1 side front fender ( Left side )
1 light assembly set (left side)
1 hood.
I am in NJ
JC
email cadet@spade.rutgers.edu
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: nau@ssesco.com (William Nau)
Subject: Re: Seeking recommendations: Sporty car for tall people?
Organization: SSESCO
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:46:09 GMT

Another suggestion is the Probe.  Not the new 93 one tho.  I have a friend
who is 6' 7".  Big guy.  While looking for sporty cars, he was getting
real annoyed about fitting into them.  I told him to give my 92 Probe a
try.  He loved it.  He was truly amazed at how well he fit.

I've another friend who is 6' 4" (I need smaller friends) and he drives 
an RX-7 (style before the 93's) with little trouble.  Not as easy to
fint in as the the probe, but not bad.

If you do try a Probe, there's a little wingus on the side that adjusts
the seat height.  Make sure it's all of the way down.  Most people don't
know it's there.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: facts on Dodge intrepid, Eagle Visoin, Chrysller whatever
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 15:34:07 GMT

I am interested in facts on the Dodge intrepid and similar eagle and
chryseller cars.  I saw some yesterday on a lot stickered at 18,000 and
I liked the looks unfortunately the dealer was not open at the time.  I
am interested in facts like engine size, 0-60, ABS, Airbags, available
options, Gas mileage, type of seatg belts (passive, active), spare (full
size or temp) and all that sort of stuff.  Has anybody test driven or
purchased one, what did you think?  I would prefer facts about the car
but I am open to subjective opinions of ride quality, noise and such.

Jim
From: beuf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Richard J Fuller)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: GEO METRO
Date: 6 Oct 1992 12:55:31 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu



FOR $6500 a Brand New Geo Metro is a real good value...
the question is are people willing to sacrafice price for
size and safety.....THAT IS A QUESTION THAT ALL CAR ENGINEERS and
companies would kill to know the answer to...

I DO NOT OWN A GEO METRO but I do OWN a GEO Storm....

THe Storm is BUILT by ISUZU Motors in JAPAN (IT says so inside the
drivers door) 
In defense of the GEO LINE 
	1. THEY ARE JAPANESE NOT AMERICAN
	2. THEY ARE RELATIVELY CHEAP
	3. THEY HAVE A STYLE OF THEIR OWN
		-I bought a storm mostly on looks obviously not power
	4. They are fairly good when it comes to feul efficiency 

	as far as livign through an accident...

	well I Saw a demolished Geo STORM in a junkie and I can
	say that I hope that I never get nto an accident.......
	
	but almost all cars in this price range are 'deathtraps'
	I dare you to name one car under $10,000 that is very
	safe....

	

	from my understanding not all Geo METRO's have 3 cylinders
	I think that one model the XFI is the V3 with 55 mpg

	other METROS have a V4 if I am not mistaken......and get more 
	in the neighborhood of 40 mpg.....

	just my $.02

	PLEASE DON't Flame me...

	I wanted a 1993 Pontiac Bonneville but my budget would not
	allow it.....

	So As far as the Bonneville goes I think I will wait for the 1997 
	model....
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)
Subject: Re: FWD vs. RWD, Which is best.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 06:27:49 GMT


oh yeah, and how about this:
bentley turbo R.
i bet nobody got that one.
-teddy

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: shultz_ed@macmail1.rtsg.mot.com
Subject: Re: Seeking recommendations: Sporty car for tall people?
Organization: Motorola,Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:51:44 GMT

In article <shaver.717711925@convex.convex.com> shaver@convex.com (Dave Shaver)
writes:
>I'm interested in buying a "sporty" car for less than $30K.  Although
>there are many such cars, my problem is that I've yet to find one that
>has enough head room.  I'm 6'3" tall and much of my height is from my
>waist to my shoulders.  (My inseam is only 32".)
>
>I'm looking for any recommendations.  It would really be helpful if the
>recommendations are based on experience, but I'm willing to consider
>any ideas at this point.
>
I had the same problem since I am 6'4" tall but I ended up with a Mitsibishi
Eclipse.  A good position for me is with the seat all the way back and tilted
one notch back.  You may have a more difficult problem because it sounds like
you have more height between your waist and shoulders.  But, it may be worth
looking at an Eclipse/Talon/Laser.

-Ed S.

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: asdch@acad2.alaska.edu
Subject: newsgroup for 4x4 trucks?
Organization: University of Alaska
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:35:58 GMT

	Would people be interested in a four wheel drive truck newsgroup?
I certainly would.  How does one go about creating a new newsgroup?  Dave.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: houwers@liebnitz.pixel.kodak.com (Michael Houwers    -- PSE )
Subject: Maint. Req'd light on 89 Caravan
Originator: houwers@liebnitz
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:28:40 GMT

My parents have an 89 Dodge Caravan that has just hit 60K miles. Of course,
this means that the annoying little "Maintenance Required" light has just
come on and the dealer (supposedly the only one that can turn it off) wants
$50 to turn the thing off.

Does anyone know how to turn the light off (obviously not requiring some
unobtainable equipment) so they don't get soaked for 3 minutes worth of work?

FWIW, they also just had the minivan checked out and nothing else needs to
be repaired.

Thanks,
mike

ps: Ignoring it is also an option, but I'd like to find out if it can be
turned off.

-----------
Mike Houwers
Eastman Kodak Company, Product Software Engineering Dept.
houwers@liebnitz.pixel.kodak.com

Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: Whats a Geo Metro (explained)
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:31:01

A football helmet on roller skate wheels?
From: garyw@hplsla.hp.com (Gary Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 33 Mitsubishi Eclipse
Date: 24 Sep 92 20:31:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: hplsla.147520019
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA


>Of course IMHO if you are going to buy one of these get the turbo or
>turbo AWD. It will out perform Most Muscle cars and semi exotics on the
>course that matters (THE ROAD COURSE). The Eagle Talon has won the
>S.C.C.A SS/A class two years in a row.

   I would like more details on the Talon/Eclipse/Laser racing record.  What
races did it finished high in.  How did the AWD version do relative to the FWD
cars.  What modifications are allowed in the SS/A class.  What cars compete
against it.  We DSM owners want to know more.

Thanks,
Gary Wong
From: ag423@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Frank Fijalkovich)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: AccuSpray Paint System
Date: 27 Sep 1992 04:50:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


I am looking for anyone that is familiar with these new spray
guns and painting systems to give me an objective opinions of
this product. I am considering buying one of these systems 
for the almost zero overspray factor and I's like to know if 
these claims are true. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

				Frank
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From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: corvair
Date: 30 Sep 92 18:13:00 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Sep29.180036.1908@unlinfo.unl.edu> summ50@cse.unl.edu writes:
>>hundred pounts of sand bags in the trunk (over the rear wheels)?
>	Or by driving a Corvair.   :)

	With a Corbair you need sandbags in the trunk.  Over the _front_
wheels.
Newsgroups: rec.autos
From: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com (Bob Rusk)
Subject: Re: tips on buying used TAURUS
Reply-To: rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:57:22 GMT
	<1992Oct1.113010.4176@mwhhlaw.uucp>

On Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:30:10 GMT, jim@mwhhlaw (James P. Cavanaugh III) wrote:

>In article <1992Sep30.131435.15294@genrad.com> sully@genrad.com (Mark  
>Sullivan) writes:
>> 
>> 
>> in a few months i intend on buying a used 1986,87 TAURUS. does anyone  
>out there
>> have any suggestions on things to be aware of ??  how many miles does  
>one 
>> expect to get out of motor & trans. ??  noises indicting "early life  
>failures" ??		
>> 
>> thanks in advance,	mark sullivan 	sully@genrad.com

>	A friend bought a high-mileage 86 Taurus a couple of years ago.   
>The only real problem has been a leaking rack and pinion steering unit.   
>The Ford rebuilt unit was expensive, and it started leaking after a  
>couple of months.  A second replacement has been fine, I understand.   
>Otherwise, he is happy with the car.

>Jim Cavanaugh

Consumers recommended strongly against the '86, and said the '87 was
somewhat better, with '88- being best.  I bought a high-mileage '87
and it gave me a lot of small (ha!) problems.  Watch out for signs of
a leaky heater core (goo on windshield above defroster vents, rust
streaks down firewall from heater core fittings), it's a _major_ repair
and fairly common.  Besides the rack & pinion, struts and strut mounts
are troublesome, and the seals on many ball joints and tie rod ends
went bad long before the joints did.  And the front end cannot be
properly aligned if it is out of alignment.  Most settings are preset
at the factory, and can be knocked out forever by a fairly minor
accident.  Lastly, mine had a lot of minor electrical troubles (ignition
switch, alternator, radio).

The engine (3.0 V6) is a good, long-lived engine if well cared for.
The transmissions on the 86's are said to be troublesome.  My 87's
transmission held on while I owned it, but wasn't happy about life
(late 1-2 shift under hard acceleration, wind-up-and-grab at parking lot
speeds).  The car now has about 110K miles on it (I sold it) and has
continued with no major mechanical repairs, but continues to give minor
grief.

Stay away from the 4 cylinder models.  

While my Taurus was a much better car than a friend's Mustang from the
same year, I was much less impressed with it than I have been with the
Hondas, Toyotas, and 1960's and early 1970's Dodges that have been
normal used-car fare in our family.  It sure was a nice road car, though.

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 rrusk@ssd.csd.harris.com
 My thoughts, probably not Harris'.