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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: TATTOING DOGS
From: shoran@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:17:00 MST
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <1689E77C0.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu>, CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
>  
> I have a simple question about tatooing: How old does the dog have to
> be before it could be tatooed?  Should you wait until they have
> received their adult size (or close to it)?  It sorta makes sense, but
> is it really nescassary?
>  
>       -----------------------------------------------------
> Chris Barnes            |   Duck hunting is not a matter of
> cbarnes@tamvm1.tamu.edu |   of life and death.  It's much
> (409) 846-3273 (home)   |   more important than that!
> (409) 845-4437 (work)   |

I've been following this tattooing thread with interest, since here in the
Graet White North we HAVE to tattoo or microchip purebred dogs before they can
be registered with the C.K.C.  This rule became effective this year - 
previously we could noseprint or tattoo.

A friend recently showed me how to tattoo - there are two different ways.  One
is the ear clamp tattooer, which puts the tattoo on to the inside of the dog's
ear flap.  The second method is the electric tattooer, which works like a big
pen as you write the number on the dog, usually on the side of the belly or
flank.

My friend the dog tattooist recommends that dogs be at least 5 weeks old before
they are tattooed.  It's not necessary to wait until the dog is adult, and
probably preferable not to.  It's easier to control a puppy being tattoed than
an adult.  The puppies mostly just lie there on their backs looking
thunderstruck - the adults can get VERY antsy about the whole procedure.  As
far as I can tell, it doesn't hurt, but it does tickle, and of course the
tattooer does make a noise.  Not loud, but buzzing, and probably annoying to
the dog.  The amount of pressure being used makes me think that it must feel
like someone writing on your skin with a pen, using fairly firm pressure. 
(Never having been tattooed myself, this is just a guess!)

C.K.C. literature recommends that dogs are tattooed before they reach the age
of 60 days, which is 8 1/2 weeks.

My friend never uses the ear clamp, though I know of other breeders that do. 
She says that, in the wrong hands, or used improperly, the ear can bleed.  The
ear clamp uses a pin system - as the clamp is squeezed on to the ear, the pins
which make up the letters and numbers penetrate the skin.  Then ink is rubbed
on to the ear.  The needle of the electric tattoer is moving at very high 
speed to pierce the skin.

There's some redness and some scabbing afterwards, but my puppies have never
reacted badly, or scratched at the tattoo, or shown in any way that they were
even aware that they had had anything done to them.

I've heard that the A.K.C. is getting very firm about identification of dogs. 
Perhaps tattooing is going to become a heck of a lot more common soon - read
the A.K.C. Gazette each month for long lists of people being suspended for
failing to identify their dogs adequately.

Stef
From: steve@yogi.hsc.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dirty Paws!
Date: 13 Nov 92 08:24:44 MDT

What does the net do about dirty paws?

We have a 5.5mo golden that is, and always will be, an indoor dog.

We let her out to take care of business and, depending on the weather, when we
let her back in, we have to clean her paws.  Most times, a wipe with a towel
isn't good enough so we carry her to the tub to wash her paws.  This isn't too
much of a problem at 47lbs but I expect her to get bigger.

I was thinking there must be a better way.

Are there such things as "Dog Boots"?  I would put them on before she went out
and take them off when she came in.  No more dirty floors/carpets!!!

Do these things exist?  Does anyone use them?  Do they stay on?  What do you
do?

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Dante: Our First Trial Results
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:07:08 GMT

Well, today was the day, Dante and I finally participated in our very first
obedience trial!

We were doing very well up until the last 10 seconds of the long down, when
Dante decided he was too far away from me, moved 2 feet forward and sat down.
Argh! Goofy dog!

The neat part is, we would have had 1st place otherwise...We got 157.5 and
the highest score was 187...so without that 0/30 we would have won...argh!

But it was lots of fun, overall I was VERY happy with Dante. He got a perfect
30 on the stand for examination and I was SURE he would move his feet. On the
stays, he totally ignored the other dogs. What got him on the down was he
started sniffing and then forgot what he was doing :(

I got lots of compliments on the heeling, his heel free was better than on
leash, we got 40.5 on heel free, gotta work on those crooked sits! The judge
was very nice and asked where I'd trained him and complimented us. Three
different people came up and complimented us on our heeling, it was really
great :)

Oh, he also went straight to heel on the recall, which I would NEVER have
expected, he's never done it in practice, silly dog! But I only lost 4 points
for that.

Anyway, now I know what to practice for Dec. 6th. Thanks again to all the
people who sent me advice on what to do/not to do, I am sure you saved me
from making some silly mistakes in the ring! This is FUN STUFF :)

--
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Pride,where wit fails,steps in to our defense,
Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca   And fills up all the mighty void of sense.
or:      a4080@mindlink.bc.ca                 - from Alexander Pope's
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *                         An Essay On Criticism
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: behavior modification or dog training
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:03:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.24206
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



Jon Kruegar writes:
>> If you want him to stop barking when the doorbell rings, just
>> tell him ``down''...my dog won't bark on a down

>Good idea.  An acquired incompatible behavior is used to decrease
>an undesirable one.  Excellent example of behavior mod.

Well, if you do it, you'll find that he won't hold the down because
he wants to bark, most likely.  The significant part is that you
correct him for the down, in effect using the doorbell as a distraction.

So the dog has to think about holding a down stay;  again, ``I am
Susie who holds a down stay in spite of doorbells.''  She has not
forgotten the doorbell.

A similar trick is used to cure a `vicious' dog of biting, an appeal
to the pride of the dog in his mastery of the art of discipline; of
course, you have to have given him something to take pride in
first.
From: eufnlasn@ux1.lbl.gov (elizabeth finlayson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: DOG IS SICK
Date: 23 Nov 1992 20:17:11 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: jadpc2
Reply-To: eufnlasn@ux1.lbl.gov (elizabeth finlayson)
NNTP-Posting-Host: ux1.lbl.gov

Sorry I tried to handle this through E-mail but I couldn't
get through.  I would also like to know how to put someone
in a kill file because Ms. Gallegos posts make the blood
vessels in my head throb and thats not why I read this
group.

EUF   eufinlayson.lbl.gov
From: tara@starburst.umd.edu (Tara McDermott)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Can dogs eat large amounts of beta carotine?
Date: 16 Nov 92 02:15:06 GMT

For personal reasons, I don't want to get my 6 month old (52 pound)
dog rawhide treats.  Is there a problem with him chewing to bits and
eating sweet potatoes (the red/orange kind), carrots and other sticky
hard crunchy vegetables (haven't fed him anything yet other than the
first two)???  He's being fed Science Diet Puppy food for right now,
since I'm not going to jeopardise his health by feeding him adult
vegetarian dog food, quite yet anyway.  

I'd prefer a response in e-mail if possible, as I don't usually read
this group.  Thank you for any serious replies...

--
Tara McDermott                                  tara@starburst.umd.edu

Sweet and sweet is their poisoned note, the little snakes' of silver throat,
in mossy skulls that nest and lie, ever singing "die, oh! die."
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pedigree Dog Stuff (Is Also Known As R.C. Steele)
Date: 18 Nov 92 16:08:52 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <1992Nov17.011624.3560@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com>
julieann@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com (Julieann Fitchwell) writes:
>Some of you were looking for pet supply catalogs a little while ago. Here's
>one of my favorites........
>They do have quite a few unique dog lover things. It's definitely worth the 
>call!
>                          Pedigrees - The Pet Catalog
>                          1989 Transit Way
>                          Box 905
>                          Brockport, NY 14420-0905 
>                          (716) 637-1431


By any other name, "Pedigree" is also known as R.C. Steele. Has the same
stuff..but at a 20-30% price markup over their "R.C. Steele" catalog. No
reason to pay these inflated prices, IMHO.

Marget Johnson
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From: kathy_buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu (Kathy Buetow)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Top 10 reasons dogs are better than men
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:33:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: physio10.kathy_buetow-181192152332
Followup-To: rec.pets.dogs
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

He-he-he...the post by Bill V. made me think that you all might like 
this list too (off a Hallmark Postcard): (Sorry guys, I personally 
adore the male gender...but the "men are slime" mood that has be 
prevailing around the lab these past few weeks is actually beginning 
to get to me !!)


TOP 10 REASONS DOGS ARE BETTER THAN MEN

10.  More sophisticated fashion sense.
 9.   Love to dance.
 8.   Willing to sleep on rug and fetch on command.
 7.   Spend less time worrying about hair loss.
 6.   Old buddies don't show up on the doorstep unexpectedly.
 5.   Utterly disinterested in professional sports.
 4.   Your parents find them easier to like.
 3.   Rarely jealous of your former boyfriends.
 2.   Willing to hold your purse in public.
 1.   Unlikeley to roll over and lose consciousness
          immediately following intense play.


Giggle, giggle.....chortle, chuckle, he-he-he !!  :-)

Kathy
-----------------------
Katwala Australian Cattle Dogs
Kathy_Buetow@QMS1.life.uiuc.edu
"Australian Cattle Dogs are not just a breed....they're a way of life !!!"
From: barb@golfcart.Corp.Sun.COM (Barbara Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog had kidney failure, is better but
Date: 17 Nov 1992 17:57:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: barb@golfcart.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: golfcart.corp.sun.com

Kirsten

I don't have a solution for you but I felt so badly for you when I read 
the following:

In article AA2066@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org, ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org () writes:
>   Sorry but it really sounds like your dog has lost it's will to live.
>  She just had a total renal shutdown!  this dog know it is seriously
> ill.  Did you think if you had her on IV for a couple of days, her
> kidneys would suddenly be well?  I'm afraid all you can do at this
> point is run up a vet bill, and end up with a dead dog anyway.  Your
> dog doesn't Want to live.  Nothing you do can instill a desire to
> live.
> --- FMail 0.92
>  * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)


that I just wanted to offer encouragement.  You don't mention whether any food
is off-limits for your dog so I'm not sure what would be enticing and safe.  From
all the recent posts, though, and from personal experience I would suggest you
try some wet cat food if the vet ok's it (a vet told me that dogs love it
because it is high protein which might not be good for a dog with recent kidney
failure).  Even a little cat food mixed in with regular dog food sends my dogs
into ecstasy - the smell alone seems to do wonders.  

Loss of appetitie does not necessarily indicate loss of will to live and your
dog sounds like she has a good will to live.  I hope you will
not get too discouraged by unfeeling posters like the above.
From: bernardr@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Bernard J Rate)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: skin problem
Keywords: dalmatian
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:11:34 GMT

Our Dalmatian is suffering from hair loss, skin thickening and small blood-filled blisters on his back. Anyone know what this is and how to treat it?
From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Question about Schutzhund Training
Date: 19 Nov 1992 18:41:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu () says:

>In article <lfarrell.2.722123361@lfarrell.src.utah.edu> lfarrell@
>lfarrell.src.utah.edu (Laura Farrell) writes:>From: lfarrell@lfarrell.src.
>utah.edu (Laura Farrell)>Subject: Schutzhund Training
>>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:49:21 GMT
>
>[Stuff deleted about bulldog]
>
>>What are some opinions of Schutzhund trained dogs, especially
>>regarding their interaction with kids and people in general?
>
>I have a question along this line.  Yesterday, I was talking to an owner
>of a doberman puppy with whom she is "doing Shutzhund".  She said that 
>she tells people that if they want to come over to her house they better
>be prepared for a 5 month old puppy jumping all over them because she's not
>reprimanding him or trying to discourage this due to the Shutzhund training.
>
>Is this true?  Does Shutzhund training mean no obedience training?  I get 
>the impression she is trying to "let the dog be himself".  Won't she end up
>with a monster?
>
>-Chris Rasmussen
>
DISCLAIMER:  I don't train in Schutzhund.  I have only read extensively on
the subject and know several Schutzhund dogs.

I think that what this woman my be trying to accomplish is to bolster her
puppies confidence during a period in its development when it may become
TOO frightenend or inhibited by an overly strong correction.  During fear
periods in the development of the puppy, the trainer wants to avoid having
the dog frightened or have the dog "lose" in an encounter with other people
and dogs.  This is done to protect the boldness and drive that will later
be critical to success during the protection work when the dog will be
in situations that challenge his/her courage.

Schutzhund dogs are very well trained in obedience and at levels
corresponding to AKC obedience competition classes.  In fact, a dog cannot
obtain any Schutzhund title without qualifying in each of the three aspects
of the trial -- obedience, protection and tracking.

Gail Brookhart
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: American Kennel Club Titles FAQ
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:43:43 GMT

In <168A18DAB.CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu> CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:

>
>Do you think we can start including titles from other organizations
>besides the AKC in this FAQ?  Since my intrests lie in hunting tests,
>I would like to see UKC and NAHRA hunting test titles lists.
>I would be that the Rott & GSD set would like Sch. titles listed.
>The versitle hunting dog people would like the Versitile Hunting
>titles (I don't know the organization) or the Shoot to Retrieve
>titles.  I'm sure that there's probably dozens of others that I didn't
>list that people might be intrested in knowing about.
>
>So what-da-ya say, can we have them too?

By all means!  I would love to expand my listing of titles outside of
AKC.  I simply don't have the resources to do it myself and so I
depend on contributions.

There are already titles listed in the Introduction FAQ (mostly just
the name of the acronym).  More detailed information is great.

--Cindy


--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all ten parts -- is available via ftp to
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In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Falk, K-9 cop, shot & lives
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 20 Nov 92 06:52:29 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20In-Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu's message of 20 Nov 92 04:15:28 GMTLines: 14

In <2B0C665F.2641@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu writes:

> Interestingly, in most places police dogs are accorded the same
> legalities that police officers are.  If a suspect shoots a police dog
> the penalties are the same as shooting a police officer.  Did they say
> what the suspect was being charged with in this case?
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I don't know.  I'll keep my eyes out for the morning paper & see if I can find
out.

------------------------
Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
From: drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David Gutierrez)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Homemade dog food for kidney problems
Date: 16 Nov 1992 21:21:51 GMT
Organization: Univ. Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center

In article <1992Nov16.185704.17055@cas.org> sla54@cas.org (Sandra Augustine)
writes:
>	Does anyone know of a homemade diet which is good for dogs with kidney
>problems? My friend is currently feeding canned prescription diet, and at
>$1/can and 3.5 cans/day its getting kind of expensive.

Someone posted the following recipe, which is from Hill's (makers of Science
Diet).
----------------------------------------------

RESTRICTED PROTEIN DIET

1/4 lb. ground beef (do not use lean round chuck)
2 cups cooked rice
1 hard cooked egg, finely chopped
3 slices white bread
1 tsp. calcium carbonate
		(not the same as the other recipe--the new version says use TUMS)
balanced vitamin mineral supplement.

I make large quantities and don't measure too carefully.  You fry the
meat, add the other ingredients--easiest to do when rice is warm.  I
just use my hands.  I probably make about 6 to 8 quarts.  It freezes
well, but rice will be a little watery.  It keeps in fridge for three
to four days.

----------------------------------------------

On the other hand, my dog also has kidney trouble, but does OK on Science Diet
Senior. The protein level is low enough that she doesn't have much trouble.

David Gutierrez
drg@biomath.mda.uth.tmc.edu

"Only fools are positive." - Moe Howard
From: dwatson1@metz.une.edu.au (David Watson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: City Parks - We can walk there now!!!!
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:28:36 GMT
Organization: University of New England, Armidale, Australia

Good on you! It's nice to hear common sense prevails.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 10:21:09 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: Itchy & Scratchy (beware brewer's yeast)
Comment-To: All@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

  A 13 and a half year old dog is an Old dog.  Especially a large
breed like a Great Dane cross.  Arthritis is also a mysterious
disease.  Bouts of it come and go.  Personally, I like the brewers
yeast because it is high in the B vitamins and has important minerals
like chromium and magnesium in it.
  I'm glad your old dog's arthritis has improved, but if it had
anything to do with the brewer's yeast, you will have an important
scientific discovery on your hands.
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO. HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:46:01 -0800
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Re: DOG IS SICK
Comment-To: All]@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04

 > >  Your old dog sounds very sick.  It's probably cancer.  Maybe
 > >advanced liver disease.  You can consider putting the dog down,
 > >although it doesn't sound like he is going to live much longer on
his
 > >own.
 > 
 > Geez lady.  You are so full of empathy.  Between this post
 > and the the 
 > postregarding the woman whose dog had kidney failure, you're
 > quite 
 > something -- helpful, kind and considerate. 
 > NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 > 
 > --- rfmail 1.1.J
 >  * Origin: Orphan Board West  fido <-> unix gateway
 > (1:202/723)
  Actually, I am quite empathetic.  I just don't believe in giving
people false hope.  I believe it is far more cruel to lead someone to
think their fatally ill pets are going to make some miracle recovery. 

--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/703)
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Falk, K-9 cop, shot & lives
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 20 Nov 92 04:15:28 GMT

In <1992Nov19.181005.444@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:

>Falk was taken immediately to emergency surgery to repair a bullet
>wound to his jugular vein.  Amazingly, he lived, and he is expected
>to make a full recovery!  His trainer (and partner) says that Falk
>will eventually return to police work when he has fully recovered.
>:-)

That's good to hear!

>Apparently, the folks of Danbury feel that when a member of the
>police force has been shot in the line of duty, they owe him their
>thanks.  It doesn't matter whether the member of the police force is
>human or canine.  Today the Danbury police headquarters has been
>flooded with calls, letters, gifts and cards for Falk, wishing him a
>speedy recovery, and inquiring when he might have visitors(!)  Falk
>may go home from the veterinary hospital as early as Friday to
>continue his convalescence at home.

This *is* nice.  Public perception of police dogs is often very
negative (to be fair, there are a number of poorly trained dogs out
there that give credence to the fear...*s*i*g*h*).

>I was proud of the local media for covering this news story as
>seriously as if it had been a human police officer wounded in the
>line of duty.

Interestingly, in most places police dogs are accorded the same
legalities that police officers are.  If a suspect shoots a police dog
the penalties are the same as shooting a police officer.  Did they say
what the suspect was being charged with in this case?

--Cindy
--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all ten parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...