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From: itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: to be or not to be
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:50:27 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <C1HMMt.FtI@fishpond.uucp>, fnf@fishpond.uucp (Fred Fish) writes:
> In article <schwager.728013412@mike.cs.uiuc.edu> schwager@mike.cs.uiuc.edu (Mike Schwager) writes:
> >Given Fred's announcement, I don't know what we can reasonable expect from
> >Netoids.
> 
> I don't know either, and it's a little early to tell.  The future of the
> library is literal in the hands of the users.  So far I've had commitments
> from three or four individuals or user groups to establish a subscription,
> and Hypermedia Concepts has committed to donating a certain amount per
> month (above and beyond their subscription) to cover some of the overhead.
> I should know in about two or three weeks whether the response will be
> sufficient to make it worthwhile to continue with the library, or put
> a freeze on new subscriptions and just produce about one batch of disks
> a month for the next 5 or 6 months and then shutdown the library, refunding
> any money left from current subscriptions.
 
Fred,

If you haven't done so already I think you should write to all the Amiga
mags and let them know what's happening.  Certianly they should recognise
the impact you have had on the Amiga community.  You might get a few
articles about Fish Disks, raising the public awarness and hopefully
increasing your subscriptions.  The word needs to get out to thre rest
of the world, as most people that hang out around here have access to
the library via FTP and such are are less likely to subscribe than people
who rely on the mags to stay current with the Amiga scene.

Just a suggestion.  Any comments???


Rich...
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From: slhmz@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Stupid Workbench 2.1 and path command!
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:06:59 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

Problem with WB 2.1:

  Help!  I just got the 2.1 "Enhancer" and _love_ it except for
  one small detail:

          The "path" command no longer works!

  Well, actually, it works if I pop up a shell and type:

          path SYS:Tools add
 
  But, I can't get the path command to work while in the startup-sequence.
  I get no errors, no messages, just nothing.

  For instance, in my startup-sequence, I put the following:

          path System2.1:Tools add

  and deleted the huge path assigment included (with no "add" on the end)

  The is the ONLY change in the startup-sequence and I am running NO
  commodities or utilities.  Just the "stock" system.

  After the system boots up, I open a shell, type "path show" and
  I get:

              Current_directory
              C:

  OK, what happened to my Tools addition?  It did not take place.
  Now, if I type "path System2.1:Tools add" then type "path show" I get:

              Current_directory
              System2.1:Tools
              C:

  What's the deal?  I _NEED_ those path assignments.
  They don't work while in a script!  Not even in "user-startup"

  What can I do?

--
Travis Carter

  Anyways, 

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From: walrus@wam.umd.edu (Udo K Schuermann)
Subject: Re: to be or not to be
Keywords: Fish disks
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:04:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.000902.11349@midway.uchicago.edu> ppalmer@oskar.uchicago.edu (Patrick Palmer) writes:
[Higher rates to non-individuals]
> Certainly, divided over the total number of people who use the material on
> these disks, the cost is not exorbitant.  Now, do you guys who actually run
> archives think you can raise enough money to make this work?
>
>Pat Palmer

I, too, have contributed to ux1 in the past and I feel that this is an
acceptable solution.  I could afford to send Mike Schwager $20 every three
or four months, but I can't afford to shell out $300 to Fred as much as I
would like to do that.

 ._.  Udo Schuermann
 ( )  walrus@wam.umd.edu
From: scott@sdc.com (Scott Dunbar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: 2.1 for an older 3000... why is this so damn difficult?
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:53:41 GMT
Organization: sdc
Originator: scott@minnie



Hi,
	I've been trying to upgrade my A3000 to 2.1 but have run into some
problems.  I bought my 3000 when they first came out and as such it has 2.01
of the OS (KS 36.207, WB 36.68).  When I tried to upgrade to 2.1 it said it
only works with 2.0 of the OS (!).  I guess CBM doesn't consider 2.01 as part
of the 2.0 release.  I know I can get 2.04 for the A3000 in ROM but I lose
the ability to use the built in 1.3 ROMS.  What I would like to do is get the
2.04 SuperKickStart disk for the 3000, and use it for the 2.1 install procedure.
Or get the actual Kickstart file and install it in SYS:Devs/Kickstart and then
install 2.1.  Is this possible?  Will I have to buy the entire 2.04 release to
get this file, only to have to throw out everything but one disk?  And does the
normal 2.04 release even _come_ with the SuperKickStart for the A3000?  In
theory this disk was only supplied to 3000 owners with 2.04 of the OS.  If I
can just replace the current SYS:Devs/Kickstart file then why isn't this file
on one of the major boards?  After all, it's not like I didn't pay enough for
the A3000 by buying it when it first came out.

	Now according to one dealer what I really need is the AS314 kit that
upgrades the 3000 to 2.1.  According to another dealer I need the AS216 kit
along with the 2.04 ROMS for the 3000.  And according to a third dealer 2.1
won't work on the 3000.  The first dealer said that the AS314 kit is software
only and the second said it is basically the AS216 kit with ROM.  Again, I'd
really like to have 2.04 on disk to allow me to boot 1.3 from ROM for a few
games that greatly prefer it.

	So whats the deal?  Has anyone out there had this same problem with
their 3000?  Can I just copy a 2.04 SuperKickStart disk from someone who
has it?  And is this the only thing required to get from where I'm at to 2.1?
I talked to Commodore but they just re-directed me to one the above dealers.
I am unaware of a "Tech Support" line for CBM or I would have called it.  If
you have any answers I'd love to here them.

	Thanks in advance for any help.  Post or email to me.


		scott D.


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From: bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Is ProTracker 3.0 a fake?
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:03:06 GMT
Organization: IDK/Frontec - System Design Group

frostmd@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Matthew Frost) writes:
> Sam Hulick (shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
> : I'm afraid to dload PT 3.0 until I know it's legit. :)  After all, 2.3b
> : just came out..  so what's the scoop?
> I would like to know about this too!

It all depends on what you call a fake. The 2.3b version is done by Noxius,
while v3.0 is done by CryptoBurners (if I recall correctly).
They are not the same, but deratives of the same ancient source, much like
there was half a dozen versions of NoiseTracker a few years back.

		-- Bjorn

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From: m_krok@tron.gun.de (Matthias Krok)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: 3D-software anywhere ? (Prgs, pics, rout
Organization: TRON Public Mailbox, Neuss, Germany
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 14:17:00 +0100

Hello !

I`m looking for any kind of software (not only programs, also pictures, or
anything) usable with one of these red/green-3D-glasses. (Maybe red/blue).

I heard sth. about a breaout-version for red/blue-glasses and about a pictures
called "hawkeye" usable by red/green-glasses... where can I find that suff or
anymore ??

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: dvlsas@cs.umu.se (Sebastian Andersson)
Subject: Re: Is ProTracker 3.0 a fake?
Organization: Dep. of Info.Proc, Umea Univ., Sweden
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:09:58 GMT

bjst@sth.frontec.se (Bjorn Stenberg) writes:

>It all depends on what you call a fake. The 2.3b version is done by Noxius,
                                                                     ^^^^^^
Hum.. It's spelled Noxious...
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Subject: Re: a2020? aga-based a200
From: sbiddle@aviate.welly.gen.nz (Steve Biddle)
Date: 24 Jan 93 16:14:48 +1300
Organization: Steves Amiga - Wellington, New Zealand.
X-Newsreader: Ann 0.9

In article <C183Du.1sM@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk>,
	ma9tn@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (T Nettleship) writes:
>In the referenced article, mashton@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Zaphod Beeblebrox) writes:
>>
>>Stocks should reach shops in aboutmid-February according to my information.
>>These 'rumours' are usually started by CBM people anyway.
>>
>
>Stocks of what? An A2000 replacement which is substantially different from
>the A4000 or just a cut-down A4000/020 or A4000/030?

The 4000/'030 has already been announced over here, and will retail for
around NZ$4300 excluding monitor. I'd say that the machine would probably
sell for around US$1800 max..There should be machines available here anyday
now, so I can't expect the US to be far behind, they seem to get the 'power'
machines before anybody else, yet have to wait for the rest!

>BTW. I disagree with a previous poster who said that A1200 is an A2000
>replacement. An A2000 replacement must have at least 2 Zorro-III slots,
>plus a CPU slot and a Video slot, IMHO.
>

The 1200 is basically a 500 replacement, this machine replaces the 3000 and
2000 in one blow, unless C= plan on bringing out an EC or '020 machine as
well (the 4000/'030 is simply a 4000 with '030 CPU card instead of the
'040)


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From: cmh@lysator.liu.se (Magnus Holmgren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Stefan Boberg not replying on LhA regi
Date: 28 Jan 93 14:05:22 GMT
Organization: Lysator ACS at Linkoping University

etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl) writes:

>>I got lots of responses telling me that he is learning how to fight. :)
>>So there seems no question anymore to his sudden disappearing.
>>
>>In Germany it`s a year if I remember right (they never wanted me :( ). I
>>believe that one year is about the lower bound for most countries. If
>>we take Sweden to be similar in this respect then we can expect Stefan
>>to be back in Summer (earliest). Maybe somebody from Sweden could help
>>us out.

>If his doing the military service he'll get out around April (depends on
>what you're doing). I don't know this for sure since they didn't want me
>either :-), but atleast all of my friend got out in March/April.

I would guess later. If he got out in April, he would only have been there for
6 months (assuming end of April). No, I would guess he will be "free" again
sometime during the summer. However, although he is doing his military service,
he can do some work in LhA during some weekends/evenings etc.

Also, he have been without a computer for a while, so that might explain some
of the delays too (he said this in Swedish FIDO-net). He also said that 1.50
would be shipping soon, so I guess he have started by now.. :)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.marketplace
From: d87mt@efd.lth.se (Magnus Thelander)
Subject: Who's International microsystems?
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.marketplace
Reply-To: d87mt@efd.lth.se
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 07:26:45 GMT


   I'd like to know who's behind International microsystems. I have reason
to believe, that they are in some way affiliated with Briwall. Can anyone
confirm this?

Magnus
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From: aduncan@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Allan Duncan)
Subject: Re: IBM is Boring was <obsenty IBMers>
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:17:34 GMT

From article <16B5E9BD1.WALLY@UKCC.UKY.EDU>, by WALLY@UKCC.UKY.EDU:
[...]  
> Everyone must realize that a computer is a tool.  Do you say your
> neighbor is an idiot because you have a Craftsman hammer and he has
> a Stanley hammer?

To carry the analogy a bit further - I _would_ have doubts about my
neighboor's competence if he was using a Ball Peine hammer to do a
Knapping Hammer job.
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(+613) 253 6708		Internet a.duncan@trl.oz.au
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: Stefan Boberg not replying on LhA registration?
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:21:42 GMT


Last I heard, Stefan (Boberg :) was on his compulsory military service
thingie.  I don't know how long they last over there in Europe.

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From: urjlew@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Rostyk Lewyckyj)
Subject: Wanted UEDIT V3.0 for Amiga
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: UEDIT
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:42:22 GMT


I am/was a registered user of UEDIT. I have UEDIT V2.6h.
However I sent my request to upgrade to V3.0 to Rick Stiles
too late. He had died about two months previous.
I would like to get a full v3.0 upgrade from someone
I am looking for someone who would be willing to send me
a full uncrippled upgrade to v3.0 for a reaonable price
($15-20). including all disks i.e.: manual, extras, spell-check.
$30 with printed copy of manual for v3.0
  
When I previously enquired about Rick Stiles in September,
someone posted that Ricks' family was going to put UEDIT in the
public domain, and send the source and other code for publication
to Fred Fish. Supposedly some Amigaphile in Washington In. was
helping them organize Ricks' Amiga stuff. However nothing has
happened since. Does anybody know anything more about this.
Does anybody have an address for Ricks' folks. Perhaps they 
might still be willing to handle upgrades from existing stock
  
Please reply directly to me via e-mail, preferably to the bitnet
address.
-----------------------------------------------
  Reply-To:  Rostyslaw Jarema Lewyckyj
             urjlew@unc.oit.unc.edu    (ARPA,SURA,NSF etc. internet)
          or urjlew@unc.bitnet
          or urjlew@ecsvax.UUCP 
       tel.  (919)-962-6501
From: rang@laputa.ics.uci.edu (Roger P. Ang)
Subject: Re: to be or not to be
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Reply-To: rang@ics.uci.edu (Roger P. Ang)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:55:00 GMT

In article <2188@vall.dsv.su.se> matt-dah@dsv.su.se (Mattias Dahlberg) writes:
>Hypermedia Concepts Inc (CHENRY@cup.portal.com) wrote:
>
>: Since 1987 Fred Fish has worked for the benefit of the entire Amiga
>: community. He has become a cultural icon. The loss of his unique service
>: would only significantly diminish the community as a whole.
>
>Yes, we cannot allow this to happen. I actually think a lot of guys simply
>don't know that they can subscribe, we're so used getting the disks from
>BBS:s and PD-libraries.

	Actually, I think a lot of people are familiar with
subscriptions to the Fish library, but why bother when you can get
what you want for free?  I'm guilty of this.  For the past several
years, I've gotten numerous programs off Fish disks from FTP sites.
But now it's time to pay the piper.

>Where do I put the money, if I just want to donate some?

	Great idea.  Some people have been suggesting giving $50/year.
But I think that amount may not be necessary.  I have the feeling that
the number of people worldwide that have accessed the Fish disks is at
least in the 10,000s.  So if most of us just send in $2-$3 every once
in a while, Fred will be in good shape.  Tell anyone out there,
if you appreciate Fred's contributions, send him a "thank you" note
with a couple of bucks.  From a recently posted disk listing the
address is:

        Fred Fish
        1835 East Belmont Drive
        Tempe, Arizona  85284
        USA

Consider my donation on it's way.  Like Nike says, "Just do it."

                                        Roger P. Ang (rang@laputa.ics.uci.edu)
Irvine? Where's Irvine?                 Grad student at the
In the heart of the Orange Curtain.     Dept. of Information & Computer Sci.
Oh no! The poor fool.                   Univ. of California, Irvine.  USA
From: oortmers@fwi.uva.nl (Wouter van Oortmerssen (Alfa_Inf92))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga E compiler (work ?)
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:47:03 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

In article <Hi0TXB3w165w@coyote.datalog.com> cobra@coyote.datalog.com (Ken Thompson) writes:
>aramsey@ugly.UVic.CA (Aaron  Ramsey) writes:
>
>> In article <1j871fINN143@aludra.usc.edu> wdao@aludra.usc.edu (Walter Dao) wri
>> >
>> >There is a PD E_compiler for the amiga. It looks pretty good from the 
>
> 
>[ rest of article deleted... ]
> 
>Does anyone know if this has made it to a Fish disk?  I'm interested in 
>this, but I have no FTP access from my site, and the only other way I can 
>get it is through GEnie (if it ever makes it there...grrr...)

I send it to fred some time ago, and it should be available any
time now.
Wouter.

> 
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From: jperkski@kentcomm.uucp (Jim Perkowski)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Can anyone verify this?
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:16:17 GMT
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 This was seen on page 7 in the January 1993 issue of The Blitter (Journal
of the Philadelphia Amiga User's Group).

             " "I constantly get letters from users...
                With all those letters, I wish somebody
                would tell us how to sell computers in
                North American." "

             " "- Irving Gould, Nassau, November 1991 Shareholders Meeting." "


 Did he really SAY this!?
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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Is it possible with WB 2.1 to assign an IFF picture as backdrop?
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:51:24 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany) writes:

>In article <1993Jan25.122632.63160@cc.usu.edu> slhmz@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>
>>  Is it possible to assign an IFF picture as a backdrop in WB 2.1?
>>  I read that you could, but find no way of doing so.

>If you want it do officially via system-provided utilities, then sorry,
>this feature only came with the 3.0 WBPattern prefs editor. When you
>want to use PD utilities, there should exist some.

NickPrefs allows you to add a backdrop to your WB.  It also comes with
several other goodies which might of interests to you--such as noclick.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: Quanum ELS hard drive Query
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:18:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.162701.19633@hulaw1.harvard.edu>, brafman@hulaw1.harvard.edu says most sayishly:
>I need to get a second hard drive for my 3000, which has its original Quantum
>52mb LPS.  I see a Quantum 85 mb ELS hard drive being advertised now.  Is this
>from Quantums new line which replaces the LPS's?  Is this new drive as good as
>my LPS? 
>
>Thanks for the help.
>
>- David
>brafman@hulaw1.harvard.edu


Excuse moi if I'm wrong, but I think ELS's are slower than LPS's.  My
question is, are ELS's less reliable?  My LPS + the builtin C=
controller make a GREAT couple.  My HD easily recovers 100% from
write-while-crash errors.  Well, the file in question is 0 bytes, but NO
HD probs.

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