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Date:         Thu, 8 Oct 1992 10:25:33 MST
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From:         RBROWN@CH1.UNIVNORTHCO.EDU
Subject:      Apologies, comments on Novlib directories above 10

First I must apologize for my previous post given as a response to a
post from Tony Sheehan and the mis-understandings it caused.
Following are some quotes, explanations, and responses that may help.

Secondly, I apologize to Compuserve and the Novlib.  I in no way
meant to diminish the value of your services.  I know that there is
agreat deal of time and effort involved, and the information therein
is immensely helpgful.  I also must state that if we have one source
only for this type of forum I believe that Compuserve is absolutely
the best place to have it.  Those of us with Inernet/FTP acess forget
that we are a samll number in comparison to those who have only
modem access to public network services.  My post was really intended
to express my desire to see, copyrights and such notwithstanding, a
way to have FTP access to those files given to the forum without
restriction by their author.

Again, my apologies to this group and the services involved.  My
thanks to those who responded with the many helpful clarifications
and suggestions, some of which are listed below.



#From: Darrin Wait <WAITD@COLUMBIA.DSU.EDU>
#
#<deleted> Why not gather the addresses of the authors of the
programs in the
#DIRS above 10. .... suggest that they upload (FTP) there old/current
software
#to somewhere other than compuserv and stop uploading to compuserv
....
#eventuality compuserv would get the idea and make the DIRS above 10
public. (Or
#even if I could get a subscription to FTP the software would be
#better.)
#
#<deleted> would be willing to be a middle man.  I know I would be
willing.
#
#    Think about it and do something other than just grumbling
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yah, your're right.  I was venting some frustration at having spent
so much time learning to get to the files (my learning curve, not
anyone else's fault) and then having them be unaccessable.  As for
what to do, see comments below.

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#From: "(DKEARNS)" <DKEARNS.TCC@KLAVEN.TCI.COM>
#
#Not everyone who posts files to NETLIB includes the permission to
#re-distribute. Since one person maintains the libraries on NETLIB
and the
#FTP server (and doesn't have enough time to do that in a timely
way), I
#don't think he'd be able to examine the READ.ME's for each to
determine
#the author's stance on re-posting. In addition to that, there is a
#further contravention in the contract signed by all forum sponsors
and
#Compuserve which prohibits taking files from CIS and posting them
#elsewhere.
#
#-dave

Yes, that has been my undrestanding.  The local Novell folks even
tell us that Novell itself no longer owns the files after thay have
been posted on Compuserve.

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#From: "(Dennis P. Harris)" <jsdph@ACAD3.ALASKA.EDU>
#
#<portions of previous quotes deleted>
#>>> Tony Sheehan
#>>> grg1678@v2.qub.ac.uk
#>>>
#>>> Queen's University, Belfast
#>>> Northern Ireland
#>>>
#>>--------- End Quote ---------------
#>>
#>
#[gripes about using kermit to acces compuserve deleted...]
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I don't think anyone griped about Kermit access to comnpuserve.  I
was annoyed about trying to download from compuserve but never
mentioned Kermit -- I was using another communicatons package
and 3 different protocols.  Another user gave some helpful
suggestions about using Kermit when accessing compuserve in response
to my post so maybe that's where the comnfusion started ??????

Looks like some good suggestions below!


#
#the best way to access compuserve is with TAPCIS if you want to save
online
#time, or CompuServe Information Manager if youwant to browse.  both
can be
#downloaded from compuserve and automate the process considerably.
fyi, i have
#found that the *only* reliable protocol for downloading files form
c$erve is
#compuserve-b.  TAPCIS is shareware, and CIM normally costs $10 or
$25, but yur
#c$serve account is credited with the cost of the program.
#
#if tony has an interest group in belfast that would qualify as a
users group
#eligible to join netware users international, novell furnishes a
netwire
#account for the users group.  The chairman for the European region
is Bruce
#Thompson on +44-360-60031 that sounds like London to me?  the
secretary is Joun
#Turner on +353-1-727177 (Dublin?).  All I have from the handbook
here is the
#phone numbers...  In the US, contact Brian Smith at (800) 228-4684,
but wait
#until after NetWorld.  There are several universities with very
active NetWare
#Users Groups thate are affiliated with NUI.
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#<previous quotes deleted>
#
#But, everyone on Compu$serve DOES have FTP access if they use
FTPmail, and
#CI$ would still make money out of it, as they charge extra for
Internet mail.
#
#
#Steve Adams, Network Supervisor
#Homeloan Management Limited, Fleet, UK.
#PHONE +44 252 813219 FAX +44 252 811051
#MHS:   SADAMS@HML
#I-Net: SADAMS@HML.MHS.COMPUSERVE.COM

I wasn't aware of this.  Thanks for the information!  Maybe the 11-16
forums could be moved to FTP somehow.....
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Well, there it is folks.  Sorry for the problems -- I'll compose
my thougths off-line next time, I promise.

Rich Brown
rbrown@dijkstra.univnorthco.edu
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