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From: genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: NUMBER 24
Date: 14 Dec 92 22:23:21 GMT
Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering

Thus spake paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen):
>
>To paraphrase a certain [ex] A's pitcher with the squeeky voice:
>Bonds couldn't even carry Mays' jock strap. I can't think of a single phase of
>the game where Bonds approaches Mays. 

I'm not in any hurry to induct Barry into the HOF; in fact, I wouldn't be
surprised if he never made it.  But let's give him his due for what he *has*
accomplished so far.

	1. Mays never had a season as overall valuable as Bonds's '92.
	   Not even when hitting 50+ home runs in '55 and '65.

	2. Bonds has much, much better plate discipline than Mays, and 
	   always has.  Early in Bonds's career, it was merely excellent.
	   For the last three years, it has been phenomenal.

	3. Bonds is a much better baserunner than Mays was.  That's not
	   worth a whole lot, but it's there.

Of course, Mays had power that Bonds can only dream about (so far), and hit
for better average.

Certainly Willie is in no danger *yet* of being overtaken on the all-time
greats lists, but that's primarily because he was so damn good for so *long*,
not because his best was better than Bonds's best.


-- 
       David Tate        |"Out of the dugout endlessly swinging,
 dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu | Out of the manager's throat, the sound fundamentals,
 Prof. of Story Problems | Out of the six-month season..."            
 Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR | 	Walt "Lefty" Whitman
From: jeff@maggot.gg.caltech.edu (Jeff Goldsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: auto-intentional walk
Date: 15 Dec 1992 18:35:19 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: all
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In <1992Dec11.203549.2422307@locus.com> aardvark@locus.com (Warren Usui) writes:

>This looks like a job for Wust simulations!  Here we have a few ratings:

>Always strikes out                  314159

Why on earth is Pi the simulation value for someone who
always strikes out?
				--Jeff
From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Question for Giants Fans
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:46:15 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In all seriousness, how do Giants fans feel about yet ANOTHER
former Dodger player becoming manager?  I mean, the
Dodgers are the most hated enemies of the Giants and their
fans, yet the Giants management continues to pick former
Dodgers as manager.  This time around, ANOTHER former Dodger,
Davey Lopes, was supposedly the runner up to former Dodger
Dusty Baker.  And you know what they say....once a Dodger,
always a Dodger at heart.  I hear talk around LA that
the Dodgers may offer Roger Craig a job of some sort.

So tell us, how do you feel about this?  Aren't there any
former Giants who qualify for the job?

					BleedsDodgerBlue

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From: buzzb@buzzb.mentorg.com (Buzz Brehm)
Subject: Montgomery to Atlanta
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 22:56:03 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

Last week I read a net.rumor that Jeff Montgomery might be headed to
the Braves via trade.  Any update on this??



-- BuzzB

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From: sullis@aix.rpi.edu (Sean C. Sullivan)
Subject: WANTED:  rec.sport.baseball KILL files
Organization: Rotisserie Polytechnic Institute (Troy, NY, USA)
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 05:37:59 GMT


I'm looking for things to add to my KILL file
for this newsgroup.

My newsreader is trn.
Currently, this is my KILL file:

THRU 85346
/flame/:j
/stathead/:j
/schott/:j
/test/:j
/trivia/:j
/hall of fame/:j
/marge/:j
/stupid/:j
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/jays kick braves/:j
/ignore/:j


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From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Re: 1993 NL MVP
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 06:54:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.064806.26318@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>
>But assuming everything works out for Montreal, who do you suppose will get
>the NL MVP?
>
>Here are my early predictions (made with the heart, not the mind):
>
>1) Larry Walker
>2) Terry Pendleton
>3) Delino DeShields
>4) Kevin Mitchell (a long-shot, but maybe...)
>5) Marquis Grissom 
>
>Pretty obvious which team is my favourite, eh?

Whoops!
How could I forget Will Clark, Barry Bonds, and maybe even Hollins or Daulton?
Put those guys in wherever you want; even ahead of some Expos :-(


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From: st1ge@Jane.UH.EDU (Edward Hui)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Giants and Bonds - a $43 million mistake?
Date: 12 Dec 1992 06:20:04 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: st1ge@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

In article <92345.192429COP80196@UCF1VM.BITNET>, Bill Laird <COP80196@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:

>What is the deal with that? If Craig retires, the pitching staff which he
>manages to hold together with needles and pins is just going to crumple right
>up and fall apart.
>
>Bill
      Roger Craig's strategy of getting the most out of those old verteran
pitchers really backfired for the last 2 season.  He is not good at handling
young pitchers, just how many failed prospects the Giants have over the past
few years?  He still thinks the "split-finger" pitch can consistently get
hitters out.  This pitch is largely responsible for all the injuries the
staff had.  Mark Davis, Jim Gott, Craig Lefferts all become better pitchers
after they left the Giants.  
      All I want to say is that I'm glad Roger is gone, now if they can
get a decent pitching coach, even with the current staff they can improve
from last year.  The bullpen is not bad, it is just overworked.  Hickerson
and Jackson are good set-up guys for Beck.  If Jeff Brantley's performance
in September was no fluke, the Giants may have find a good starter in him.


Edward Hui

      

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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: More on Bond's Antics.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:20:36 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


One of the MLB official who travelled to Loisville for the
winter meetings, was on the same flight as his Royal
Highness, Mr Barry-Greedy-Bonds.

According to the official, Bonds was loud and rude on the
plane and constantly complaining loud as to how the
Yankees *insulted* him with their 5 yr $36 Million offer he
had turned down a few days earlier (source S-I).

Talk of insults...what about people struggling on the streets
in this country for getting a decent meal.. Mr Bonds should
be knowing that.

Another baseball agent has this to say..."I hate to say this
about a fellow agent, but I just rode on the same elevator
with Bonds and Gilbert. I think I'm going to puke. But I still
have my wallet."

Fellow Baseball fans....enough is enough. MLB can do without
the likes of Mr. Bonds.  What if all the owners just told
him to buzz off and refuse to pay him; he will be cut to
Sixe.

Nuff' Said
A Disgusted baseball fan
S.H
A Twins fan.
From: lbr@holos0.uucp (Len Reed)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Stupidest rule in baseball (perhaps a new one)
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:46:39 GMT
Organization: Holos Software, Inc.

In article <1992Dec17.154213.16303@holos0.uucp> lbr@holos0.uucp (Len Reed) writes:
>foul, ball, foul, foul, ball, ball
>
>In baseball this is 2-2.  Under your rules its 3-0 and there are
                     ^^^^
Sorry: obviously I meant 3-2.  Doesn't wreck my argument, or course.

>five more pitches for the batter to sit on waiting for the perfect
>pitch or a walk.
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: Baseball finances query
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 02:00:35 GMT


King Banian expresses annoyance that I suggest that some of the
Financial World numbers are made up.  I ask you, the r.s.bb public --
what are the odds that 13 teams have operating costs *exactly* double
player costs?  It sounds to me that they took salaries, estimated that
salaries were 50% of total costs, and extrapolated from there -- without
even considering if the numbers were realistic.

In article <1992Dec17.152407.1@uwovax.uwo.ca> jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca (The Econoclast) writes:
>In article <kbanaian.113.0@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu>, kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:
>
>> Thought I'd bring out the numbers here.  These data were printed in the 7/2/
>> 92 issue of _Financial World_.  They are for the 1991 season.
>> 	Gate	Media	Stad.	Total	Player	Oper.	Oper.
>> Team	Rec.	Rev.	Rev.	Rev.	Costs	Exp.	Inc.
>> NYY    $19.4   $61.0   $ 7.4   $90.0   $29.8   $59.6   $30.4
>> LA	26.6	32.5	18.0	79.3	36.0	72.0	 7.3
>> NYM	22.9	50.0	16.0	91.1	35.2	70.4	20.7
>> Bos	24.5	40.5	14.3	81.5	35.4	70.8	10.7
>> StL	19.9	25.0	12.0	59.1	23.2	46.4	12.7
>> ChC	22.8	27.5	12.0	64.5	29.0	58.0	 6.5
>> KC	16.9	20.5	14.0	53.6	30.4	60.8	-7.2
>> Phi	15.2	23.2	 7.6	48.2	21.7	43.4	 4.8
>> SD	15.6	23.1	 7.5	48.4	24.4	48.8	-0.4
>> Pit	16.2	21.9	 5.5	45.8	24.9	49.8	-4.0
>> Atl	15.4	18.9	 3.8	40.3	20.4	40.8	-0.5
>                ^^^^
>> Min	18.2	20.5	 3.2	44.1	24.1	48.2	-4.1
>> Mtl	10.7	23.5	 3.0	39.4	21.8	43.6	-4.2
>
>	I see that the 1991 Braves reported lower media revenues than
>any other team, including the pathetic small market teams of
>Milwaukee, Minnesota, and Seattle. I wonder if Ted Turner is hiding
>just a few dollars of the Braves profits in his TBS numbers. This
>number suggests that TBS is paying only about 3.4m for the right to
>broadcast all those games. 

Like I said, a good proportion of these numbers are made up.  Why is it
the Yankees have lower operating costs than the Mets?  Even if you feel,
for some reason, that $42 million is a reasonable amount to spent on
operating expenses for a single team (the White Sox), how does that
explain why some teams get away with $20 mill in these costs, but others
manage to spend $35 million?

As John correctly notes, the vertical integration of the Braves (and 
almost certainly the Cubs) hides a lot of their revenues.  

At the NFL trials in Minnesota earlier this year, it came out that the
reason the owners were "losing" money was because the average owner took
a salary twice that of their highest paid player.
-- 
ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637
From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Mattingly discussion, take 2.
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:23:24 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken


so i'm sitting at my desk, listening to wfan in new york, which 
 usually has a bunch of idiots calling up and touting rookies that
 are awful, and saying that andre dawson is better than most anyone
 else, and things like that...

and this one guy calls up and says that the yankees signing boggs
 isn't necessarily great, since (paraphrased) "boggs is 34, and 
 if his back really IS injured, with his age, his performance will
 never come close to what it was".  and, of course, the brillian
 pea brain announcer says "well, winfield had a great year last
 year, age isn't that important"...

but, then, the caller says "and mattingly isn't any thing special
 and hasn't been for the past few years".  the hosts and some other
 fans got upset at this, and were like "well, it's MATTINGLY - what
 else are you going to do with him?  he was coming back last year"...
 
 and he said (he  = the caller) that mattingly should bat no higher
 than 6th.

and i was so impressed that someone in new york was daring to speak
 out against don mattingly.  for those across the country, this has
 to be understood - although he has been a below average (average
 for those who started) first baseman during at least the last 3,
 and maybe last four, years, new york media respect him as if
 he were one of the best players in baseball.  and the fans as well.
 and, some of the players on his team.  

- bob gaj
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From: dave@snitor.sni.ca (Dave Till)
Subject: Re: Cordero
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf, Sietec Open Systems, Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:27:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.033950.13713@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>My objection is to the people who claim that stats are more useful in the
>evaluation of talent than the opinions of professional scouts, whom, I 
>presume, could claim, for the most part, that they belong in the 20% of
>professionals that you claim are knowledgeable.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe professional scouts have two
jobs:

(1) advance scouting of other teams;
(2) evaluation of high school and college talent.

It is not the job of an advance scout to formulate any opinions.  The
scout's job in this case is to compile as much data as possible, so that
the coaching staff can detect patterns.

As for evaluation of talent:  projecting a player's ability to play
in the major leagues is very much a hit-and-miss proposition.  (As you
know, very few minor league prospects actually make it to the majors.)
The general approach is to sign a lot of likely-looking ballplayers and
hope for the best.

>Sherri once claimed that talent could be more accurately assessed by 
>relying on stats alone and that observation actually hindered the 
>evaluation process!  Do you agree with this?  Do you believe, as one
>who claims to understand the game on both levels, that observation
>hinders the evaluation process?

I think the problem is one of sample size and illusion.  Often, we fans
only see a particular player a few times, and may see him on a good day
or a bad day, which biases our view. And, a player may look like he's
better than he is; for example, an infielder who dives ground balls may
look like a good fielder, but may wind up getting to fewer ground balls
than other fielders do (see "Lansford, Carney").

--Dave "not a stathead, but I once played one in ABPA" Till
  e-mail address:  dave@silver.sni.ca or dave@snitor.uucp
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From: s_bean@oz.plymouth.edu (Shaun P. Bean)
Subject: Can you go home again? (wasRe: ward to atlant
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 04:17:04 GMT

In article <19DEC199215593568@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> yankees@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Kenneth M Gelfand) writes:
>>Dateline Wed, 16/Dec92 03:39.
>> 
>>How many players have started their careers with a team, been traded, then later in their career traded back?
>> 

What about Cone and Henke?

shaun

Will the Red Sox try and get Plantier back in 12 years?  Maybe if
Gorman is still around :(

shaun
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From: shimkus@athena.cs.uga.edu (Doc)
Subject: Re: JAYS KICK BRAVES JAYS KICK BRAVES JAYS KICK BRAVES JAYS KICK BRAVES
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:44:12 GMT

In article <1992Dec12.033749.6822@athena.mit.edu> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.235628.28838@cs.mcgill.ca> hfrg@cs.mcgill.ca (Peter Choi) writes:
>>In article <XViHVB1w165w@student.business.uwo.ca> s4lawren@student.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) writes:
>>>as being "Canada's Game".  I can only agree and eagerly await a repeat 
>>>next year.  How about an all Canadian World Series?  That would be nice.
>>
>>	I can see the headlines now,
>>
>>	"EXPOS vs JAYS IN ALL CANADIAN SERIES - GAME OF THE CENTURY"
>
>what, more woofing?
>it's DECEMBER, you morons!
>
>i never thought i'd have to waste so much energy flaming other
>jays and expos fans (term used very loosely in their cases).
>
>get with it! woofing is not appreciated, you make real fans!
>and lose the time warp, you're two months late!
>
>sheesh.
>
>--
>charles

Well, as a die-hard Braves fan, I cannot say I'm a big Jays booster, but c'mon
charles.  EVERY World Series is the "Game of the Century." :)
+doc

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From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: who stole the kishka?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:30:49 GMT

In article <92347.154445RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:
>what is in it for the twenty-six owners to expand, and let two more
>owners in the game? there's no profit sharing, so i don't think they're
>going to gain financially from the two new teams, and it decreases
>their chances of making the playoffs (thus decreasing profits).
>
>so what's the scoop?
>
>bob vesterman.
>
i think they paid each of the other owners a nice clump of cash, bob,
somewhere around $3-5 million each. someone else can provide the exact
numbers.

that'll buy a lot of kishka (and a fair bit of kreplach too).

--
charles

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From: dietz@parody.Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz)
Subject: Bonds and Willie Mays
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 01:09:03 GMT

1) I think that Barry Bonds should have refused to wear Willie Mays uniform
   when it was first *offered*.  He apparently will *not* be wear #24 (if
   radio reports can be trusted) and will instead wear #25 (Bobby Bonds 
   number).

2) It was noble of Willie Mays to offer the Giants latest greatest his number,
   especially since Mays is apparently Barry's godfather.

3) It was probably stupid of the Giant organization to allow such a thing to
   get as far as the press (assuming that they *could* have stopped it).

4) When a number is retired, it should stay retired, for reasons stated by
   others on this net.

5) Barry Bonds has been and is likely to be a really good player, who cannot
   carry a team to a championship.  I am not sure such a player exists 
   anywhere or has ever existed.  I'd be interested in suggestions.

7) Bonds is being paid a lot, but it is *only* $7 million a year (same as Ryne
   Sandberg), which will look small when Griffey comes free in '96,
   unless the economics of the game change in the next few years.

8) When Reggie Jackson signed with the Yankees ('76?) the same furor surrounded
   his *ghastly* contract of $1 a year.  Nothing has changed -- including
   the Mariners needing a pitching staff :-)

9) For an interesting recent historical perspective on this years controversies
   in baseball, read Roger Angell's "Late Innings", which chronicals the 77-79
   sessions (including the player strike of '79(?)).  Interesting reading.

Kent Dietz
Twins in '93, Mariners in ... never mind.
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From: gotribe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.g.barry)
Subject: Re: Braves Sign Maddux, LOSE 93 SERIES!!!!!!!!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:42:20 GMT

In article <92349.185718MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu>, mark rieker <MJR127@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>          Well, after I got done jumping for joy over hearing how the Braves
>    signed Maddux, I realized we are DOOMED! DOOOOOOMMMED!!
> 
The Braves aren't necessarily doomed, but they really haven't
improved themselves much.  They lose Liebrandt (16 wins) and
gain Maddux (20 wins).  Otherwise, their team is pretty much
the same as last year (weak offensively at C, 1B, 2B, SS).

The team that is really improved is
Cincinnati.  They're strong at virtually every offensive position,
have a good starting staff and a great closer ('course, they still
have to contend with Marge).  Put your money on the Reds in '93...

Rich
barry@ihlpe.att.com
Date: Saturday, 12 Dec 1992 12:51:18 EST
From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: is it me, or are the yankees dolts?
 <1992Dec12.112342.10266@netcom.com>

somebody responded to me, i forget who.  anyway, your plan of what to
do with hitchcock if they get darling is what they're probably ALREADY
doing with hitchcock, since they got key.  your suggestion goes like
this:

    original rotation: perez, abbott, militello, hitchcock, wickman.
    move #1: replace hitchcock by key.
    move #2: replace hitchcock by darling.

doesn't quite work.

bob vesterman.

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From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
Subject: Re: All-Time A's Team
Originator: news@nimaster
Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:23:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.170745.13422@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec16.165257.5844@cbnewse.cb.att.com> zurawski@cbnewse.cb.att.com (lawrence.w.zurawski) writes:

>>	I haven't seen an All-Time A's team yet, so here goes:

>>	1B Foxx
>>	2B Collins
>>	3B Baker
>>	SS Campaneris

Proof, incidentally, that one can win without a great SS.  Jack
Barry and Eric McNair don't really set bells ringing, do they?
Not to mention Weiss, etc.

>>	OF Henderson
>>	OF Jackson
>>	OF Simmons

>I'd put Canseco ahead of Simmons.  If McGwire has a nother couple of seasons
>with the A's like the last one, I'd put him ahead of Foxx.

You seem to be going by absolute quality, Ted.  I wonder, though - if
Foxx had played and trained and grown up in our time, wouldn't he
have been better?  Likewise, Simmons' contributions in 1925-31 were pretty
stellar by any measure, but given a better glove ,better shoes, and 
better conditioning/steroids (little joke there, folks!), wouldn't
he be able to compete?  

>>	SP Grove
>>	SP Waddell
>>	SP Plank
>>	SP Hunter

>>	RP Fingers
>>	RP Eckersley

>>	Manager Mack
>
>For longevity, maybe... The A's have also had Dick Williams, Billy Martin,
>and Tony LaRussa.  Tough call.

Mack isn't just longevity.  He built three of the all-time great teams 
from scratch.  LaRussa has done some team-building, but with Sandy A
helping him.

Roger


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From: erics@sco.COM (eric smith)
Subject: Re: Question for Giants Fans
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:20:35 GMT


pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes:

>In all seriousness, how do Giants fans feel about yet ANOTHER
>former Dodger player becoming manager?

In the case of Dusty Baker, someone who after a long and productive
playing career with the Dodgers had that organization go out of its
way to trash his reputation and his potential worth on the free agent
market, I can only feel that he's a lot more welcome in S.F. than he
was in L.A. And I bet he feels the same way.

-----
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