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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:50:24 -0500
From:         "Kar Subrat" <SUBRAT@ITSICTP.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: p.v.c. as narrator

Continuing Richard's letter--

1. Bambi ( fawn as narrator )

2. A slew of sinister medical novels in which the baby derives
   pre-natal knowledge from the hospital computer records due to
   a faulty circuit between its umbilical and the mains supply,
   and tries to conduct meaningful research into why Jupiter has so
   many moons ( all pre-partum, of course ) and cripples his mother's
   lover, decapitates his father's mistress, blinds his brother's wife,
   kills his neighbour's dog, arranges the cat's entrails tastefully
   over the kelvinator and leaves meaningful notes on the ceiling of the
   delivery room - all without moving out of the womb.


En regarde my original question (Do mentally deficient adults qualify
as pre-verbal ?) : if they do, Mickey Spillane and M & B certainly are
pre-verbal narrators. If nothing, the mental levels assumed of the
reader are those of a pre-verbal c.

Subrat
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:10:38 EST
From:         Leonard T Roberts <ACC00LTR@UNCCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: hyperion
              13 Apr 1992 14:14:47 SET from <S573980@UNI-BOCCONI.IT>

On Mon, 13 Apr 1992 14:14:47 SET MARCO BRAMBINI said:
>Thank you Leonard T Roberts ,
>it was brief enough .
>I am reading now last and first man by Stapledon it so boring now ..
>did you have ever red it ? it will be so slow till the end or ..
>
>thank you again ..
>
>                             marco brambini
Marco,

I have read part of Stapledon's _Last and First Men_, but found it
too boring to finish.

Good luck with _Hyperion_,

Len
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 15:50:22 EDT
From:         Randy Money <LIBRBM@SUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Pre-verbal narrators

The lethal baby is in "The Small Assassin" by Ray Bradbury.
His story "The October Game" is also quite chilling.

Randy
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:36:08 EDT
From:         KNIELSEN@UGA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Wild Bill Hickock

For a pretty good fictionalized account of Wild Bill Hickok's last days,
read _Deadwood_ by Pete Dexter.


k. at u. georgia, athens
From: v384rv4k@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Lynn Harper)
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Subject: Pre-verbal narrators
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:24:00 GMT
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I remember reading a short story by somebody, Harlan
Ellison, maybe? about a newborn that killed, or attempted
to kill, it parents.  It was so long ago that I don't
remember the details, but it did innocent baby things like
leaving toys at the top of the stairs for tripping over (so
it must not have been a NEWborn).  Only the mother suspected
the truth, but everyone else thought she was sick for not
liking her baby.  The motivation was apparently anger at
being born.  I don't think it was written from baby's
perspective, though.  The whole idea was so haunting that
it's stuck with me all these years.  Does anyone else know
that story?

Lynn
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:18:51 EDT
From:         Michael Ernest <MERNEST@KENTVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Conrad-Wells

A fabled and lively discussion between J. Conrad and H.G. Wells
closes on a stunner like this from Conrad:

"The difference between us is fundamental; you dislike people and think
they are to be improved; I love them and know that they are not."

Can anyone give me a source for the exact wording?  Our library's
managed to have all those messy Conrad volumes reapprorpriated
by the deserving public.

Thanks

Mike Ernest
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From:         LL85000 <LL85%NEMOMUS.BITNET@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Warning. Query is about a "sub-literary" genre.
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Dear Peter,
Ever since your Friday afternoon reply to my plea for help in finding
the parody involving *, I have intended to convey my joy at finding
someone out there.  And while--as you pointed out--Nathan is not what
what I seek, I want you to know his remark is certainly in the tradition
and the proper spirit!  And I appreciate your sharing it enormously.
Carol
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 10:21:00 PDT
From:         naomi seeger <ECZ5SEE@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      camille what's her name

i've been reading a lot lately by and about camille paglia, and of course,
discussing her ideas.  now, nobody in my circle can definitively say how
her name is pronounced.  i know this is a small thing, especially in
relation to her topics, but i'm one of those people for whom mispronunciation
is tantamount to nails on a blackboard.

so - is it pag-lia, or pal-lya?  english or italian pronunciation?

and if anyone wants to discuss her stuff -senza ranting- let me know.

naomi seeger
ecz5see@uclamvs
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:33:40 EDT
From:         "Paul G. Beidler" <pgb3@LEHIGH.EDU>
Subject:      Re: camille pal-lya
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>It takes about 18 seconds.  Too f***ing bad!  We're not here to guarantee
>your interests, bud.  *Be* interesting, and others will follow.
>
>Irascibly,
>Michael Bruce McDonald
>


I second that notion.
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 19:10:14 CDT
From:         Ferstel John W <jwf3885@USL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Pre-Verbal Child As Narrator?
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Sharon:

     In Cat's Eye the narrator shifts between a young girl and the same
person at the age of 50, so I don't know if that really counts.....

                                                    Jack
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 08:17:00 PDT
From:         naomi seeger <ECZ5SEE@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      re: benjy & wee stephen

ken & mbmcd -
  of course benjy's narrative is framed in words - consider the medium -
but he never says anything.  there's never any "i miss caddy."  his
narrative is continually descriptive of non-verbal things.
  _portrait_ is, of course, a coming of age tale, but i say it is all
about words is that his emotions, energy, thought and development are
all channeled through words.  instead of dealing directly with the boys
who are tormenting him "do you kiss your mother goodnight?", instead of
whaling off and hitting them, or grovelling at their feet - he goes off
on a tangent about kissing "why do people do that with their two faces?"
he goes off into the abstract, away from the situation, into the world
contained in a word.  that's his way of dealing with situational stress.
  moocow is different from benjy's narrative because while it is singsong
"non-sense", it is feeling wrapped up in words.  the words of benjy's
narrative report experience, rarely any emotion, never thought.  wee
stephen's moocow *carries* emotion, it doesn't describe.  sometime,
listen to yourself when you read to a child, especially a young child.
be aware for a moment of the entire experience - physical, emotional, both
your's and the child's.  there is so much more going on than just saying the
words on the page.  lots and lots of feelings going back and forth between
the adult and child - carried in the touching, holding, tone of voice and
cadence.  some kids are cuddle-holics, but with others, reading to them
is the one time you can hold them close and really cuddle and they won't
get bored and want to leave.  all that is wrapped up in wee stephen's
narrative - he may not be being read to, but you can bet that someone
is focusing 100% on him, playing with him, pouring love on him with
every word.  all that is missing from benjy's narrative, and experience.

naomi
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:12:00 PDT
From:         Michael Bruce McDonald <MCDONALD@OREGON.BITNET>
Subject:      benjy, joyce

naomi, i really don't thing that your distinction beween benjy and wee
stevie d will wash. you say that benjy gives us a pure stream of sensory
consciousness (a rough paraphrase, i know), but *through* what medium are those
sensations delivered?  words, words, words . . . nothing pre-verbal here
either, i'm afraid . . . and even if we agree that this section of *sound and
fury* is wonderful, don't we sense Faulkner's presence all along? do we ever
think benjy *apart* from his creator?

there's already much debate about the contents of the Joyce trove--Stephen
Joyce was given permission to extract some letters of a "family nature"
(read dirty) from the trove, putting them in another sealed box which is to
remain unopened until 2050!  some folks are saying that most of what's left
amounts to fancy laundry lists, but i've heard that there may be some corrected
galley of *ulysses* and the *wake*--rumor is rife!

Michael Bruce McDonald
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 08:05:08 SET
From:         MARCO BRAMBINI <S573980@UNI-BOCCONI.IT>
Subject:      hyperion

some times i red some mail about _Hyperyon_written by Simmons
could some good fellow tell me briefly what it deals with.
thank you all.

           Marco Brambini
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 15:43:05 EDT
From:         eliz kirk <AP201111@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Pre-Verbal Child As Narrator?

The opening passages of _Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man_ by Joyce
would meet that criterion...the narrator's voice progresses in maturity
with the narrative itself.
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 15:35:30 PDT
From:         Thoreau Lovell <tlovell@SFSUVAX1.SFSU.EDU>
Subject:      Re: WRITERS & POETS NEEDED
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Please send a short description of your magazine, along with any
submission guidelines. I'm a writer, mostly poetry, and an editor of
Five Fingers review, which is based here in San Francisco.

Thanks for posting your notice

Thoreau Lovell
tlovell@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
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Subject:      Errors loading WPWIN

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   I have been using Wordperfect for Windows for several months now and
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   Here's the problem:  until recently I was able to keep my two mainframe
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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 15:32:00 EST
From:         SUTTONL@WCUVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Problems printing with True-Type Fonts

I can't get WPWin to print using the True-Type add-on fonts which
came with Win 3.1.  I either get a "Divide by zero or overflow"
error message or my machine completely locks up, at times even
requiring me to switch it off (I can't even reboot).  True-Type works
in Write, and the screen fonts work in WPWin.  But when I give the
print command, everything breaks down.  I've talked to WP support
about this (Russ and Rick in printer support) and they're working on
it.  Apparently there are other problems with True-Type and
WPWin, but I don't have any details.  I've also talked with
Microsoft support (after an incredible effort, calling over a 4-day
period, getting nowhere with the first contact).  The second contact
walked me through a series of exercises which apparently satisfied
him that my problem was with WPWin.

My setup:  Win 3.1 running Zenith Z386-16 with 4 MB add-on 3rd
party memory board and an HP Laserjet Series II.

Has anyone else had similar problems or offer any insight here?

--Lewis

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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:15:15 EDT
From:         robertb@MATH.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Background Macros?
X-To:         Alan Tai <WPWIN-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu>
              92 4:30 pm

Alan Tai writes...
>
> Does anyone know if it possible to run lengthy macros in the background
> in WordPerfect for Windows?  It seems that every time I switch out with
> Alt-Esc when a macro is running, WPWIN pulls back control from Program
> Manager.  This doesn't make much sense, since Windows was meant to be a
> multi-tasking environment, and most people don't want to surrender
> control to WPWIN just so that a macro runs at its fastest :-(.
> Thanks.
>
> Alan
>

Hi Alan.  Actually, Windows isn't a true multitasking system.  It does
what is called ``cooperative multitasking.''  Cooperative multitasking is
when each program controls how many CPU cycles it gets, NOT Windows.
In this case if the program decides not to give up CPU cycles, then nothing
else will run.

If you want real multitasking, try OS/2 Version 2.  I've seen it run and
multitask Windows and DOS programs simultaneously, but cannot vouch for my
own installation which is still running DOS and Windows.

---------------
Robert Becker, Secretary, 2-332      Dept. of Mathematics, MIT
Cambridge, MA  02139-4307            (617)253-1797
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From:         "John H. Taylor (919)684-2338" <GROJHT@DUKEMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Background Macros?

I don't have an answer to your question, but have the exact same
problem with printer initialization.  WPWIN doesn't seem to be capable
of multi-tasking the more lengthy operations.  Quite a short coming!
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 12:15:42 +1000
From:         Peter Nixon <coptn@MANTA.JCU.EDU.AU>
Subject:      lost graphics figures
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              92 3:53 pm

I have a problem with a wpwin file, and I suspect that the
solution is simple. I hope someone can help.
The problem is that when I include a -FIGURE- into a wpwin file
and then save this new file, when I open this file again the
figure is not there.
The figure appears fine when initially added.
The file is definitely saving, as the file dates/size changes.
Saving the file under different names makes no difference.
I have tried reading the file into wp51(dos), still no figure.
When using wp51(dos) I insert a figure and save the file and then
retrieve the file the figure is again missing.
The file has lots of tables.
The file has about 28K of text (when saved as an ascii file).
The file size is about 350-450k.
Machine is PS/2 70, DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1.
I have tried checking the Preferences(wpwin) and the Setup(wp51)
settings, but can find nothing that would cause it to hide the
figure.

Thanks for any help.

Peter Nixon
Technical Officer
School of Commerce   James Cook University   Australia
coptn@marlin.jcu.edu.au
From: marylamb@milton.u.washington.edu (Mary Lamb)
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Subject: Re: Problems printing with True-Type Fonts
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:07:50 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

I have used the TrueType fonts with WPforWindows (printing on a DeskJet
500) and have noticed the following difficulties:
	Symbol-type fonts (wingdings, etc) do not work with WP4Win,
although they do with Write.
	With some of the fonts (Lucida group, Bookman, maybe others) words
that are supposed to be italicized look ok on the screen but print as bold
italicized.  Italics are normal in Write, and in some of the other fonts
(Times New Roman or whatever the name is, and the Courier look-alike).
	With the TrueType fonts enabled, the powerpak driver for Windows
is completely messed up.  Italics in Marin font come out in a wide-spaced
courier type configuration (not italic).  Going to Fonts on the control
panel, disabling the TrueType fonts, exiting and re-entering Windows
restored the powerpak driver.  (I didn't try the powerpak driver in Write.)

Mary Lamb
email marylamb@u.washington.edu
 
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 09:02:23 EDT
From:         robertb@MATH.MIT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Background Macros?
X-To:         "John H. Taylor" <WPWIN-L@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu>
              92 6:38 am

John H. Taylor writes...
>
> WPWIN doesn't seem to be capable
> of multi-tasking the more lengthy operations.  Quite a short coming!
>

Multi-tasking is a function of the operating system.  I have yet to see
any program besides an operating system actually multitask.  In Windows
printing is handled by a print spooler, not by WPWIN.

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Date:         Sat, 11 Apr 1992 16:30:35 EDT
From:         Alan Tai <ACTAIX@WMVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Background Macros?

Does anyone know if it possible to run lengthy macros in the background
in WordPerfect for Windows?  It seems that every time I switch out with
Alt-Esc when a macro is running, WPWIN pulls back control from Program
Manager.  This doesn't make much sense, since Windows was meant to be a
multi-tasking environment, and most people don't want to surrender
control to WPWIN just so that a macro runs at its fastest :-(.
Thanks.

Alan
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From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Subject: Re: lost graphics figures
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date:  9 Apr 92 04:10:04 GMT

Peter Nixon <coptn@MANTA.JCU.EDU.AU> writes:

>I have a problem with a wpwin file, and I suspect that the
>solution is simple. I hope someone can help.
>The problem is that when I include a -FIGURE- into a wpwin file
>and then save this new file, when I open this file again the
>figure is not there.
>The figure appears fine when initially added.
>The file is definitely saving, as the file dates/size changes.
>Saving the file under different names makes no difference.
>I have tried reading the file into wp51(dos), still no figure.
>When using wp51(dos) I insert a figure and save the file and then
>retrieve the file the figure is again missing.
>The file has lots of tables.
>The file has about 28K of text (when saved as an ascii file).
>The file size is about 350-450k.
>Machine is PS/2 70, DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1.
>I have tried checking the Preferences(wpwin) and the Setup(wp51)
>settings, but can find nothing that would cause it to hide the
>figure.

Try setting files=75 or some similar large number in your config.sys. I think
you may be running out of DOS file handles if your situaton is similar to mine.

Let us know if this works.

chad
price@helios.unl.edu
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:39:00 PDT
From:         "Gary W. Dietz" <DIETZ@WHITMAN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Problems printing with True-Type Fonts

>I have used the TrueType fonts with WPforWindows (printing on a DeskJet
>500) and have noticed the following difficulties:
>       Symbol-type fonts (wingdings, etc) do not work with WP4Win,
>although they do with Write.
>       With some of the fonts (Lucida group, Bookman, maybe others) words
>that are supposed to be italicized look ok on the screen but print as bold
>italicized.  Italics are normal in Write, and in some of the other fonts
>(Times New Roman or whatever the name is, and the Courier look-alike).
>...
>
>Mary Lamb
>email marylamb@u.washington.edu


WPCORP acknowledges that there are problems with WPWin and certain
TrueType fonts.  The symbol sets (notably Wingdings) do not even
show up in the font selection in WPWin.  Others may not show up or
may not print properly.  Their statement is that this will be fixed
in the 1st interim release of WPWin, which is supposed to take
place sometime by the end of April (although they aren't making
any promises at this point).

I have had no trouble with the "standard" TT fonts (Times New Roman,
Ariel, etc) printing in WPWin.

Gary
dietz@whitman
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