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From: (Gerry Gryschuk)
Subject: Re: NLCS Game #5 at 9:41
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:33:36 GMT

From article <7563@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, by psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek):
> In article <1992Oct12.170357.5813@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>>>Why is it?  With a man on third a out the walk and the out produce exactly
>>>the same result - NO RUN!
>>
>>*That* time, it produced no runs.  Next time, perhaps Jeff King will
>>hit a 2-RBI double?  Or a 3-run HR?  Or maybe just get a single to
>>drive in the lead runner himself.
> 
> Excuse me but were in the OPB stat, or any other stat for that matter, is
> Jeff King's "potential hit" reflected?  When a hitter steps to the plate it
> is his job to produce, period!  It is not his job to step out of the way and
> give the guy behind him a chance to get the hit, which is exactly what this
> walk did.  
> 

Oh I see so Bonds can hit anything is that what your saying? Are you
seriously trying to make the case that Bonds should swing at pitchers
that are clearly unhittable? Besides a batters job is to not make an
out period! Now some nonouts are better than others but all nonouts are
better than outs.

> It could also be argued that with two outs and a runner at third and the team 
> down five runs, Jeff King's assumed hit might be more valuable as the lead off
> hit of the next inning.  
> 
How? If we're assuming a hit anyway, it's much more valuable with the runners
at 3rd and 1st, then with nobody on.

> If your arguing that taking the bat out of the hands of one of the top hitters 
> in the game and placing it in the hands of a significantly less qualified hitter
> and leaving it up to him to drive in the run, is a positive thing, you're 
> wasting your time.  I rather take the out and hope for a lead off hit from King
> with the chance to pinch hit for the pitcher.

So you are seriously saying that Bonds should swing at anything. This is
the reason that Bonds has been hitting so bad, its because he's been thinking
he has to drive in all the runs regardless of how bad a pitch he gets to
hit. Outs are a precious commodity to a ball team, the more batters you
send to the plate per out the more chance you have of scoring.

Lastly the reason Bonds is such a good hitter is precisly because he usually
only swings at pitches he can hit, any batter, no matter how good, is a fool
for swinging at pitches that are impossible to hit.
--
Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months
gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
Go Habs!!!		             (Maldonado is a bum.)
From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: john birch society
Date: 12 Oct 92 03:55:28 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

In article <92284.212537RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu writes:
>who is the pitcher who made a comeback from surgery a year or two (or
>three) ago who is a member of the john birch society?  was that doug
>drabek?

Eric Show, who is also a decent guitarist.  

-- 
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From: dpw@sei.cmu.edu (David Wood)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Pittsburg Fans
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:39:56 GMT
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> Thomas Hyer <IOR@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>:
>  In fact, the Pirates would have outdrawn both New York teams
>*combined* by this inane measure, even if both had sold out every
>home game.  So?

Somehow you appear to have completely missed the point.

--Dave Wood
From: jerry@sheldev.shel.isc-br.com (Gerald Lanza)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Can of corn?
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:00:44 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company (Shelton, CT)

>> Does anyone know the origin of the phrase 'can of corn',
>> used to describe an easily-caught fly ball?
>> 
>I don't know if he originated it, but ex-Pirate broadcaster
>Bob Prince certainly made it famous.  

	I recall Red Barber using that expression in the 50's while
	announcing for the Brooklyn Dodger's, and I believe he first
	used the term in the 40's. I think the meaning was derived
	from the fact that eating kernels of corn out of a can did
	away with the difficulty of removing the kernels from the
	cob, or eating directly off the cob, as anyone with partials
	can confirm is not " a can o' corn".

						jerry
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From: carlo@electro.electro.com (Carlo Sgro)
Subject: Re: Cito Manages reasonable in Game #1
Organization: Electrohome Ltd., Kitchener, ON, Canada
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:50:39 GMT

In article <BvtC8D.Kp5@cs.dal.ca> niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gordon Niguma) writes:
>... I was just happy that he didn't do anything monstrously
>stupid like play Pat Tabler, moving Joe Carter to first base was actually a
>reasonable move to make. And at least he brought in Sprague to pinch hit
>instead of that worthless bum Tabler. 

Does anyone else think that this was an indication of an enormous lack of 
confidence in Tabler?  I guess that we won't be seeing much of Pat in a Jays'
uniform any more...

-- 
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and also uunet.ca!electro!carlo               had a relationship with Margaret 
System Administrator, Electrohome Ltd.        Trudeau..."
Kitchener, ON, (519)744-7111 x 7209
From: ecpzp@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr V A Noronha)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Scores Anyone?
Date: 14 Oct 1992 11:00:00 +0100
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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Summary: Scores anyone?


Across the pond here in England, we get hardly any coverage of Major League baseball.

It's ignored by the broadcast media and brief items appear two days late in the newspapers.

Can anyone over there in North America please put the playoff results on the network soon after the games and news on when the next game is scheduled?

eg. NL Game 4 Pirates beat Braves 7-5 etc...  Next play in Atlanta on wednesday etc...


Many thanks for your help.
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From: sweda@css.itd.umich.edu (Sean Sweda)
Subject: Re: Morris: more fuel for this debate
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:39:55 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.155250.2575@island.COM> fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:
>In article <6928@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
>
>So, you're saying that jack doesn't look like much worse than Abbott despite
>Abbott's 1.3 lower ERA?
>
>
>Someone should have told that to Stewart last year: he had great run support.
>Also, Jose Rijo had outstanding run support, the league's best ERA and still
>managed to win precisely half his starts. (ERA 2.51, RS/9 5.1)
>

However, Rijo's record could be explained by the fact that he was on a
pitch count for the last 2/3 of the season.  Now if your run support stat
is: Runs Scored by the pitcher's team in his starts / starts by pitcher,
it could be that the Reds failed to score until after Rijo was yanked
(which was usually after 6 or 7 innings, I should know cuz I had him on
one of my BJFB teams).

If on the other hand your run support stat only gives Rijo credit for
the runs scored while he was pitching, then his W-L record becomes more
curious...


Sean
From: jchandy@paris.crhc.uiuc.edu (John Chandy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: john birch society
Date: 11 Oct 92 17:15:16
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In-reply-to: tanenbla@cs.columbia.edu's message of Sun, 11 Oct 1992 18:34:47 GMT

In article <TANENBLA.92Oct11133447@flounder.cs.columbia.edu> tanenbla@cs.columbia.edu (Michael Tanenblatt) writes:

   In article <92284.212537RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:

   >   Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 21:25:37 EST
   >   From: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>
   >   Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
   >
   >   who is the pitcher who made a comeback from surgery a year or two (or
   >   three) ago who is a member of the john birch society?  was that doug
   >   drabek?

   Eric Show?  I don't remember if he had surgery and made a comeback, but I
   do believe he is (or was) a John Bircher.


I think it may have been Dave Dravecky.

John C.
j-chandy@uiuc.edu
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From: jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy)
Subject: Marlins news
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 19:31:19 GMT
Keywords: speculation

Word on the street down here in South Florida is that the Marlins will name
Rene Lachmann manager sometime after the World Series.  Apparently it was 
between him and Bill Virdon.

Commentary mode:

Lachmann's a bonehead.  I don't know how he did as the A's third base coach but
with the Red Sox, he was no day at the beach.  Ok, I'll be fair.  He did manage
the Mariners at one time.  Maybe he'll guide the Marlins to a less than 100-loss
season, and certainly he'll be patient with the younger players.  That's what
you should be looking with in an expansion manager, and I'm sure he'll do fine.

Besides, who knows.  He may hire his brother Marcel (Angels' pitching coach)
as his pitching coach.

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From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: TORONTO BLUE JAYS CLINCHED THE AL EAST!!!!!
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 05:01:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.094813.17105@access.usask.ca> (Gerry Gryschuk) writes:

>From article <17932@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>,
	by zuhars@madrone.eecs.ucdavis.edu (Gary Frog Baseball Huckabay):

>> If you're a Jays fan, just ask yourself: What if Rickey gets hot?

What if, what if...

>> I don't lose any sleep over Joe Carter or Dave Winfield getting hot.
>
>Oh sure but I bet you've been taking SLEEP-EZE(tm) worrying about the
>possibility of Manuel "Don't call me Manny" Lee breaking out in a big way.

Lee getting a triple...

Gruber getting a tater...

Moldonado getting a tater and CBS's player of the game in #3, and
Steinbach being the best player on the A's...

Eck, Henke and Russell getting banged around...

This series has definitely taken a turn for the wierd.

Larussa may be the Einstein of the diamond, but there's only so much you
can outsmart the three errrors and three wild pitches donated to the
Jays Saturday. I don't think I've heard the term "insurance run" used
more times in the course of one hour.

PS. With Key and Stottlemyre in the bullpen, why in heaven's name would
Cito put Timlin in the eighth inning of game 3?



-- 
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         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
         "IBM's three letters are probably EBCDIC for CYA" - Nik H.
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From: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Designated Hitter Rule (was Australian Novice Asks Dumb Questions)
Reply-To: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:47:59 GMT


In article <joeb.718982665@cserver> joeb@cserver.plexus.com (Joe Brotz) writes:
>>The one and only rule difference between the AL and the NL is the 
>>designated hitter (DH) rule. 


>  But does the AL DH rule *require* that the pitcher not bat?  Could
>  either (1) All nine fielders bat or (2) the designated hitter bat in
>  the place of one of the other non-pitching fielders?

An American League team may allow all nine fielders (which includes the
pitcher) to bat, but this would put them at a decided disadvantage with
their opposition. Reason being that pitchers are notoriously poor hitters
(with a few exceptions), since they are specialists who do not perform
everyday like a position player (infielder/outfielder).  Therefore, the
only time an American League pitcher may bat is if the manager puts the
extra hitter in the field to replace a position player.  Then, the pitcher
must bat in the place in the batting order where the fielder came out of the
game.  But this is a rare instance, that happens maybe once all year for all
American League teams combined!

The DH rule is not the one and only rule that differentiates the AL from the
NL.   Other differences are more subtle though.  In years past AL umpires
called a balk differently from NL umpires, but I do believe they are more in
sync now.   Off the top of my head, the only other rule I can think of (which
doesn't mean there are no more) is the number of players that may converge
on the pitcher's mound when a manager or coach comes out to talk to a pitcher.

The AL specifies that only the catcher may come out to join the conversation.
In the NL, all of the other 8 players may converge on the mound to join in
on the conversation with the pitcher & manager/coach.

JoeK.

ps - If I've misstated something here, no need to send e-mail; just post
a follow-up.  Thanks.
From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Marlins news
Date: 16 Oct 92 17:45:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: atlas.1458.2ade8f2a
Distribution: usa

In article <Bw6Gw8.EGv@encore.com>, jlundy@bilbo.encore.com (Joe Lundy) writes:
> Word on the street down here in South Florida is that the Marlins will name
> Rene Lachmann manager sometime after the World Series.  Apparently it was 
> between him and Bill Virdon.
> 
> Commentary mode:
> 
> Lachmann's a bonehead.  I don't know how he did as the A's third base coach but
> with the Red Sox, he was no day at the beach.  Ok, I'll be fair.  He did manage
> the Mariners at one time.  Maybe he'll guide the Marlins to a less than 100-loss
> season, and certainly he'll be patient with the younger players.  That's what
> you should be looking with in an expansion manager, and I'm sure he'll do fine.
> 
> Besides, who knows.  He may hire his brother Marcel (Angels' pitching coach)
> as his pitching coach.
> 

  Thats EX-angel pitching coach.  He (and the entire staff) were asked
  to come back and he declined, or at least that's what the LATimes
  reported.  I think that the angels are going to miss him.
  Mark Pede
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From: (Gerry Gryschuk)
Subject: Re: NLCS Game #5 at 9:41
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:26:05 GMT

From article <7487@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP>, by psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek):
> In article <Ahn-101092214135@branford-college-node.net.yale.edu> Ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn) writes:
>>
>>Alex Cole and Jay Bell both struck out. Andy Van Slyke crushed a line drive
>>down the RF line. The ball bounces off the wall (parallel to the foul line)
>>at a sharp angle back to CF. Justice is way out of play. Slyke gets a
>>triple. Bonds walked. Jeff King KO's.
> 
> Once again we see that a WALK is definitely not as vaulable as a HIT.

But more valuable than an OUT.
--
Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months
gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
Go Habs!!!
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From: barnes@cowboys.esd.sgi.com (James Barnes)
Subject: Re: PIRATES '92
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:40:21 GMT

In article <seqrS=q00WBK87plNR@andrew.cmu.edu>, es4k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Eric
M. Shapiro) writes:
|> 
|> Braves World Champs in 1992!!!!
|>     NOT!!!!!!!  NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!!
|> NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!!
|> NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!!
|> NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!! NOT!!!!!!!
|> 
|> Pirates World Champs in 1992!!!!
|>   EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!!
|> EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!!
|> EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!! EXCELLENT!!!!!!!
|> EXCELLENT!!!!!!! 


Did you see GAME 7 ????????????????????????????????????????????????
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm glad Bream has long toes or he would have been out, but.....

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: rising@zoo.toronto.edu (Jim Rising)
Subject: Braves vs Jays starting pitching
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:13:03 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

Data that I have (from those posted by Donald Hearth) show this
for some starters:

Jays	Pitcher  ERA
	Cone	 2.55 (AL + NL ?)
	Guzman	 2.64
	Key	 3.53
	Morris	 4.04
	Stott	 4.50

Braves	Smith	 2.05
	Glavine	 2.76
	Smoltz	 2.85
	Avery	 3.20
	Leibrandt 3.36

What's the AL/NL conversion to compensate for the DH?  For the Jays,
Key, Cone, Guzman, and Stott. were pitching well at the end of the 
season.  I think that Glavine and Avery were having problems, but I
don't follow them closely.  I don't think that one team is OBVIOUSLY
better than the other in this way, but from what I've seen lately, 
I'd rather go with the Jays > Braves, esp. if they go with a 4-man
rotation (I also think that Cox should insert Leibrandt in the rotation
for the Series).  Key would be the obvious 4th choice--but Atlanta hits
leftys much better.  
-- 
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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Alas, Pirates
Date: 15 Oct 1992 23:34:13 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
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In article <1450.2add6bd0@atlas.nafb.trw.com> mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com  
writes:
> In article <15OCT92.15303095@vax.clarku.edu>, hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu  
writes:
> > Do you think if Mike LaValliere's arms were just a *little*
> > longer, they could have had Bream at the plate...?
> 
   Since you brought it up......... :-)
 
   I was thinking about the ole "best team is the winning team" arguments.
   Think about how the "best" team was't determined until...
      1) Sid Breams shoe size was determined
      2) LaValliere's arm length was measured
      3) Bonds choked on that throw home (couldn't get it 3 feet closer)
      4) Jay Bell's defensive positioning was off (note: my two year old
         kept me from seeing if Cabrerra's (sp?) hit was a grounder or a
         line drive.  IF line drive, THEN substitute #4 with #4a.
      4a) Jay bell couldn't jump high enough
>      etc 
How about until Belinda threw that pitch just a fraction of a mph too fast.
A little slower and it'd have been pulled closer to Bonds and he'd have  
gotten Bream. A little slower than that and it'd have been stopped by King  
for the 3rd out.

>   Fun game too watch !

I'll second that 

john rickert       rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
Berryhill *choked*! two men on and he *walks*! *no* runs scored. He cost the  
Braves a trip to the Series. By the way, how many 9th inn.RBI did Bream have?
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: You got to start the righthanders
Date: 14 Oct 1992 19:07:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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In a previous article, genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) says:

>Thus spake dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler):
>>
>>     Well, maybe not if it was Walter Johnson on the hill, but how about it -
>>Pirate righthanded platoon players are awesome as we hit the middle of
>>game 6.  I say if there's a game 7, dang them torpedoes and "by the book"
>>people - the Pirates should stick with the hot players and start their
>>righthanded platoon against John Smoltz.  
>
>I agree completely.  However, I don't think it has anything to do with them
>being "hot"; they're just much better hitters than the lefties, with the
>exception of Alex Cole.
>
>>(If I had to start one, it would be McClendon or Redus.  Slaught isn't as
>>hot as these 2, and he'll need the day off after catching a knuckler.)
>
>Slaught isn't hot!?  Which series have you been watching?  After hitting .345
>for the regular season, he's hitting .400+ in the playoffs, including excellent
>numbers against RHP (in limited at bats).
>
     And, McClendon and Redus wer over .550 after game 5, though I didn't
catch their stats for game 6.

>Dr. Dave's Game 7 lineup vs. Smoltz:
>
>	1. Alex Cole	RF
>	2. Jay Bell	SS	
>	3. Van Slyke	CF
>	4. Bonds	LF
>	5. Slaught	C
>	6. Redus	1B
>	7. King		3B
>	8. Lind		2B
>	9. Wakefield	P	(just kidding :-) )
>
>Frankly, I'd rather have Redus bat 2nd than Bell, but that's wishful thinking.
>
     I think that makes sense, except I would flip-flop Redus and Slaught.
Gary Redus is getting some big hits.
     Was it Slaught or Sundberg who had the big multi-rbi triple for the
Royals in game 7 versus the Jays in '85. (Or was it game 6?)  I
always get those 2 mixed up, especially since both started with TExas,
from what I recall.


>-- 
>       David Tate        |"Out of the dugout endlessly swinging,
> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu | Out of the manager's throat, the sound fundamentals,
> Prof. of Story Problems | Out of the six-month season..."            
> Member ORSA, TIMS, SABR | 	Walt "Lefty" Whitman
>
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
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From: reynard@susie.cs.scarolina.edu (John Reynard)
Subject: Re: In Defence of Fair-Weather Fans
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date: 15 Oct 92 05:55:17 GMT


There is nothing in the world I hate more than a fair weather fan
who has junped onto the boat of a team that I have like d for 
years.  

Take Mr. Palmer fo  instance he will willing jump boat to the EXPOS 
next year if they are good.  Having been a fan of the Expos for around
ten years now he will be unable to relate to many things that myself
and other long term Expo fans can such as the similarities between the
early 90's Expos and the early 80's Expos.  So he can say what he wants 
but it is clear to me that you derive much more from a sport when you
stick with the same team over a long period of time.  By reducing it to
a commodity you take the specialness out of sports.   

Why not simply root for whoever is good, no matter what?
One year a Notre Dmae fan the next a Cal State.

Because you then have no idea why the yteams are good.  You simply see th 
results , this will lead to short sighted planning and so on.

So too all the die hard Expo fans who wore their hats proudly even when 
they were in last last yerar,  Congratulations.

To Mr. Palmer, I don't discourage you from rooting from the Expos, 
just don't acxt like you kow whats going on.

Sorry for the poor speelling, my edirtor sucks right noew.
Agggg.
Apoligies 

John
Go Expos