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From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Packers starting QB - Majik or Favre
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:49:36 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct15.045640.24806@rtsg.mot.com> cole@rtsg.mot.com (Timothy Cole) writes:
>
>From what I've read, Holmgren says as soon as Majik is healthy, he will
>start.  This came from the Milwaukee Sentinal, I think Monday or Tuesday.
>
>I havent read the paper today, does anyone know if Majik has practiced. or
>will sometime soon?  I'm not a big Majik fan, but give the guy a chance, if
>he can't perform up to Holmgrens level, I'm sure Mike won't hesitate to 
>sit'em down and reinstate Favre as number one.
>
>For now though, Holgren will give Don a chance to suceed or ?
>

Majkowski is listed as questionable for the game against
Cleveland this Sunday.  I don't believe he has practiced this
week.  If he hasn't practiced in 4 weeks, I can't imagine he
would start this week.  I also hope he does not return to the starting
lineup this year.  Favre has clearly outperformed him.  As the 3rd
ranked quarterback in the NFL and 2 wins in 3 games, what more can
Favre do to show he should be the starter.  In the meantime, Majkowski
has accomplished nothing since 1990 and has shown he can't throw a
pass over 10 yards.

Todd
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From: johnm@meaddata.com (John Manley)
Subject: Re: Vikings vs Bears
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:18:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.180331.29645@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>
>2.) Unless he started playing defense, Harbaugh didn't lose the game 
>by himself.  I would assume he was not on the field when the Vikings 
>scored their other 14 points.

If dickhead doesn't throw the ball and instead follows the play sent
in from the sidelines who do you think wins the game? There was more to
it then just an instant (freebie) 7 points...though that was bad enough...
it's called MOMENTUM. I won't bring up the fact that he almost *threw e
another INT* on the very next series...
>
>3.) How would you like it if *your* boss behaved like this?  I'd quit 
>and go to his main competitor and work my butt off for them.

Oh, Boo hoo hoo....sniffle, sniffle....
We're not talking software development...the man makes the big bucks
as a Pro QB. He got the glory when he "won" the Detroit game, he should
be able to take some ranting from his coach. If he's a pansy he doesn't
belong on the field with Lawrence Taylor breathing down his neck.
(Besides, I don't think the Niners are interested...)
>
>JGH
From: jan10@cd.amdahl.com (jim Nimmer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Cleveland's Starting QB
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:59:37 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Anyone know who's starting for Cleveland this Sunday?

		Thanks in advance,

			Jim
From: jason@cray.com (Jason Parker)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Herschel Walker (Dallas killed by Philly)
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:30:59 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <1992Oct6.174740.27895@hellgate.utah.edu>, twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf) writes:
> 
> 3) Walker, boy was that great seeing him run last night! I haven't seen him
> 	give that kind of effort since his Dallas years. That was some
> 	display of running!
> 

WARNING: Jaded Vikings fan talking about H. Walker.

I traded Mark Higgs for Herschel Walker on Sat. for my game between 
the only two undefeated teams in my Fantasy League; The BSFL
(Big Scary Football League).  And I was very excited to see 
Mr. Walker stalk into the end-zone.  I wound up trouncing the 
Ferrets 34-18.  So I'm not a Herschel basher and I'm very happy
he is on my team.

BUT...  I personally didn't think his running was particularly impressive.
Sure he had a number of good runs and had a big night.  I just think
that getting into the end-zone gave a MUCH better impression on his 
performance than he otherwise would have gotten.  I don't fault Herschel 
for not getting the first TD that Cunningham finally got.  The line just 
didn't help him much.  And in the second TD (I think) Herschel did break a 
tackle very nicely and had a great charge in.  But all-in-all I don't think 
this means you can say that the old Dallas Walker is back.  There is no 
doubt in my mind that Philadelphia is doing a better job of using Walker 
the way his talent needs to be used.  But I my opinion the likes of
Hampton, Sanders, Thomas, and yes, Terry Allen are better running backs.

Walker has some excellent strengths, and I think fits in well with the
Eagles offense.  But that doesn't mean he would do well elsewhere, as
we've seen with the Vikings.  Some of that (maybe most) fault is with
the coaching and Mike Lynn picking a back that wouldn't fit, but IMHO
Walker would have faired as poorly in many other teams.

Just some lightly salted comments...

Jason Parker
jason@cray.com
From: mfleeter@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael S Fleeter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Football Cards
Date: 17 Oct 92 02:09:48 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


Hi all.

I am a collector of Upper Deck Football cards, as I am sure
many of you are too.  I was thinking maybe some of you would
like to trade.  If you email me your list we can work things
out.  I am relally a low volume guy.  I'm just looking to 
fill my sets.  I would like to get Walter cards and ProBowl
if anyone is looking to sell.

Thanks,
Mike
mfleeter@gn.ecn.purdue.edu
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 10:44:23 -0400 
From: Christopher Glenn Huegle <ch44+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Teams of the Decade and 4 team divisions
	<1bj2pcINNaij@agate.berkeley.edu>

	>So, the Steelers are the "Team of the 70's"
	>    the 49ers are the "Team of the 80's"
 
	>Common denomenator? Both played in 4 team divisions..
 
	>Anyone think that playing in a 4 team division,
	>with fewer division rivals to worry about makes
	>for sizable advantage for a team???
 
	>I probably am not the first to notice this, but what
	>do people make of this?
 
>Stefan

So, the Steelers are the "Team of the 70's"
    the 49ers are the "Team of the 80's"

Common denomenator?  Both won 4 Super Bowls.

Anyone think that being the champion of the NFL
4 times out of 10 makes for a sizable advantage????

I probably am not the first to notice this, but 
apparently, I'm not the last either.

Chris

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From: n36ia@pnet16.cts.com (Et3 Francis)
Subject: Re: Joe Gibbs/ Redskins win SB XXIX
Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 09:56:06 GMT

mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>   I think the first thing to realize is that 4 SB appearances with a 3-1
>record in one decade is not something to groan at.  The scheduling is designed
>to make a Superbowl champion have the toughest time of the next season,
>emotionla factors all work against the champs, every coach in the business
>spends extra time reviewing your game plan, and players miss training camp. 
>Add all of that to playing in the toughest division in the game today, and the
>fact that the 'Skins have been so good for so long is surprising.
>   Think about this -- Gibbs hasn't had a superstar QB since Theismann got
>injured.  Yet every year the 'Skins are able to give teams with Cunningham,
>Montana, Moon, Elway, Kelly, Simms (who's no slouch), and Aikman good, tough
>fights.  Gibbs' coaching has, for ten years, kept Washington at a level where
>any team in the NFL gets nervous when facing them.
>
>   Washingtonitis isn't choking -- it's having elevated expectations because
>the Redskins have ALWAYS been able to do well.

In that case it must be really tough to watch your team LOSE so badly this
year...
                        Brian
mzener@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
>   I think the first thing to realize is that 4 SB appearances with a 3-1
>record in one decade is not something to groan at.  The scheduling is designed
>to make a Superbowl champion have the toughest time of the next season,
>emotionla factors all work against the champs, every coach in the business
>spends extra time reviewing your game plan, and players miss training camp. 
>Add all of that to playing in the toughest division in the game today, and the
>fact that the 'Skins have been so good for so long is surprising.
>   Think about this -- Gibbs hasn't had a superstar QB since Theismann got
>injured.  Yet every year the 'Skins are able to give teams with Cunningham,
>Montana, Moon, Elway, Kelly, Simms (who's no slouch), and Aikman good, tough
>fights.  Gibbs' coaching has, for ten years, kept Washington at a level where
>any team in the NFL gets nervous when facing them.
>
>   Washingtonitis isn't choking -- it's having elevated expectations because
>the Redskins have ALWAYS been able to do well.
>
>Max


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From: v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: I AM STUPID!!! (Was:GET READY FOR LOSS DOLPHANS!)
Date: 9 Oct 92 06:00:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <90c203DNa04D00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>, fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes...
>In article <BvH483.L0E@acsu.buffalo.edu> v067ftek@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (TIMOTHY M. MCCARTHY) writes:
>>We in the Great White North used to be able to count on 3 things in life.
>>
>>	1.)	Death
>>	2.)	Taxes
>>	3.)	Losing to Miami twice a year
>>
>>NOT ANY MORE!!!!!!!!!
>>NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!!
>>
>>Thurman Thomas HATES the Dollies more than Bush hates Broccoli!
>>That is enough to push Buffalo to VICTORY right there.
>>
>>(Amazing how the term "BUSH" always comes up when your talking
>>(or writing) about the Dollies)
>>
>>So "Hello Dollies- It's so nice to put you DOWN where you belong!!!
>>
>>Hee! Hee!	My favorite game of the year!
>>For Dolli-phans, Life is a swirling eddy of dispair and then they die.
>>Bye for now!
>>
>>Even our college team scores 40+ points!!!!!!!!!!!
>>GOOOOOOO-O-O-O	BILLS, BULLS, BISONS AND er, ahh, well Sabres. Yeh that's it!
> 
> 
>   I suppose you don't want to take any of this back now, eh? :-)

What's posted is posted!	What's done is done!
And man, the Bills are extra-crispy after this past Sunday!!!!

> 
>  "...they kicked our ass."
> 
>   		Jim Kelly, 10/04/92, after the Buffalo-Miami game
A team and city in complete agreement!
On to the next game, and thank god they each only count as 1 loss!

> 
> 
>  Doug
From: Michael.P.Colburn@dartmouth.edu (Michael P. Colburn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Marv Cook
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:35:58 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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In article <1992Oct15.050140.26810@menudo.uh.edu>
st1ge@Jane.UH.EDU (Edward Hui) writes:

> 
>     What is his status?  Is he going to start this Sunday?  Any information
> appreciated.

He's listed as probable.

"We've got to find a way to win. I'm willing to start cheating." - Marv
Cook

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From: aa05@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ABDULMALIK A. ALHUSSEINI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Cowboys Material
Date: 14 Oct 92 05:22:20 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

I have some questions and opinions about some cowboys' players:

    (1) Maryland: what's wrong? is he still bothered by his injury?

    (2) Alvin Harper: with the exception of the Skins game, he was
    disappointing. JJ said (in DCW) that Harper was slowed by a flue he got
    before the Giants game. I would like to believe that but it has been a
    while since the giants game. Last year he had something like 20 catches
    and one TD. This year (including seattle's game) he has something like 7
    to 8 catches and one TD. At this rate, he'll duplicate his numbers of last
    year. I am not the only disappointed fan, there are others trying to
    figure this puzzle out. The guy is tall, has good hands, and a great
    leaper, so why not throw more bombs towards him just like the 40 yarder
    against the eagles? With secondaries ganging up on Irvin, JJ must get
    production from Harper or replace him by KMart. If Harper performs
    well the rest of the season, the Cowboys offense will be explosive instead
    of very good, IMO. It really kills me to see the eleventh overall pick in
    the 1991 draft perform like this.

    (3) R. Horton: even though he returned an INT for a TD against Seattle, I
    gave up on the guy after the missed INT against philly. Isn't time to
    phase him out?

    (4) I think C. Haley is doing fine. He is not accumulating sacks, but he
    is always close putting pressure on QB's. Hopefully he'll get more sacks
    as the season progresses.

    (5) V Smith: I am not sold on the guy. Isn't it time to try G Myles or D
    Edwards in his spot? I do not want to see him mistackling Cunningham on
    Nov 1.

    (6) K Smith: How did he do against the Seahawks? Did he fully recover from
    his hamstring injury? With ace traded, is K Smith going to see action as
    a kick returner?

    (7) Give J Jones more playing time. He is very good and can be great with
    more PT.

    (8) Best rookies so far are (need help):
        1.  R Jones: solid production. I think he is the cowboys leading
            tackler. He can be great.

        2.  sorry, I ran out of gas on the rest, please fill in.

    Thanks for your time.....

    Go Cowboys.....

    Malik.....
From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cunningham's QB rating
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:07:25 GMT
Organization: Pacific * Bell

In article <1992Oct11.091104.21709@athena.mit.edu> centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam) writes:
>How come I keep getting this feeling that Cunningham
>gets little respect as a QB?  I just don't get it.
>Even in Philly, people say McMahon this, McMahon that...
>
>Phrases I'm utterly sick of:
>1) "he's a great athlete, but not a great QB"
>2) "he's never won a playoff game"
>3) "he's no Joe Montana'
>4) "he can't read defenses quickly"
>5) "he scrambles too much - he should stay in the pocket
>    longer." (And I thought suicide was illegal....)
>6) "he chokes under the pressure"
>7) "he's not a good leader"
>
>OK, then.  Give me JOE (I walk on water) MONTANA.  I'll give
>him that GREAT Eagles offensive line that shattered the
>record for sacks allowed in a season.  AND THAT'S NOT ALL!
>I'll give him that AWESOME Eagles running game too!
>(Generous, ain't I?)
>
>So, you have Joe Montana with the WORST offensive line
>in the NFL and NO RUNNING GAME.  How will he look by the end
>of the season?
>
>Ha!  I gave you a trick question.  He'll never reach the end
>(of his career, maybe.  the end of season - definitely not).
>
>Check Cunningham's stats for both passing and rushing.
>Cunningham not only helped the offense, he WAS the offense
>during those years.  Without Cunningham, our offense goes
>from #1 to the bottom of the barrel.  He racked up all of those
>yards WITHOUT an offensive line and WITHOUT a solid running
>game to back him up.
>
>Can anyone do the same?  Can anyone perform like he did
>under those conditions?  Can anyone THRIVE under those
>conditions like he did?  Can anyone even SURVIVE under those
>conditions like he did?  Can anyone actually give him some
>credit for crying out loud?????
>
>There are many who think it's A FLUKE that Cunningham leads the
>NFL in QB rating. There are some that think his stats will drop.
>
>I disagree.
>
>All you have to do is give him a slightly better-than-average
>line, and a solid running game and you can see the results.
>He's the best QB in the NFL right now.
>
>And it's no fluke.

FINAL SCORE:

Eagles  17  Kansas City 24

Need anymore be said?  BTW: I didn't see the game, but how did
Cunningham look in this game?
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
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  of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain
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From: auwen@convex.com (John David Auwen)
Subject: Re: Dallas *ice!cream!notes*... How sweet it is!
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:14:31 GMT
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1bhgl6INNf7a@news.aero.org> mas@aero.org (Marcus A.Shaw) writes:
>Harper is not getting open, or he is not being looked at.  He needs either
>to gain Aikman's confidence (and JJ's) and get 5-7 balls thrown his way per
>game, or Martin needs to be in there.  It is that simple....

I agree that Martin is good but Harper is a major part of the long-term
future of the team.  I also agree that Harper hasn't dropped many passes
but don't know why Aikman won't throw his way.   You'd think that opposing
teams would double-cover Irvin and Harper would get more chances but noooo.

If Harper is removed from the starting lineup then I think they should 
get rid of him.  Since this would be a very stupid thing to do, I say he
should continue to start and Aikman should be instructed to send some
balls his way.

Dave
auwen@convex.com
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From: jacklord@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Albert Chu)
Subject: Re: <None>
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:24:22 GMT

In article <6OCT199223451157@rigel.tamu.edu> c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.212447.1@wharton.upenn.edu>, reille85@wharton.upenn.edu writes...
>>The Eagles did not play very well offensively and still scored 31 pts. on MNF,
>>all I have to say is watch out NFL.  By the way, the Eagles will also win on
>>November 1 in Dallas.
>> 
>
>Remember, 1) They can NOT play better offensively. That is it. Take out
>             their QB's run, what do you have? Does Cunningham know how to
>             hit a reciever in game time?
>
>          2) You are going to lose a bunch of games this year. The first one
>             should be in KC. KC is going to beat you really bad.
>
>	  3) Coming in November, the two teams are going in opposite directions.
>             Dallas is young, and always goes up. You guys are too old to make
>             a run that time. So Dallas is going to pay you back then. 
>
>Bob

Give me a break.  If you don't have anything meaningful to post, don't
post at all.

-- 
Albert Chu
jacklord@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Even You Have EBV!
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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Re: Lions at Vikings tonight (Thurs.)?
Keywords: Lions, Vikings, schedule
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:33:04 GMT

cowboy@hubcap.clemson.edu (Greg Barron) writes:

>Detroit is scheduled to play the Vikings at the Metrodome
>tonight (7:30 p.m. EST, TNT). Both teams were scheduled for
>a bye this week in the week-by-week listing I got back in
>July. Why the change? I must've been out to lunch when the
>game was moved.
>Thanks.
>| Gregory Alan Barron           |

The game is scheduled for NEXT Thursday night (the 15th) not tonight.
You probably just sent 10,000 r.s.f.p readers scrambling for thier
TV Guides and USA Todays...
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______________________________________________________________________________
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From: jag@unislc.uucp (John Ganske)
Subject: Re: Steve Jordan INJ Update
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:48:45 GMT

jason@cray.com (Jason Parker) writes:

>morning.  Tice and Noveselsky will play.  I didn't catch who

I believe that Tice is definitely out with a broken bone in his lower
back.  The StarTribune says that Danta Whitaker will start at tight
end, and Brent Novoselsky is expected to play when the team uses two
tight ends, which is usually 50 percent of the time.
Jordan should be ready for the Oct. 25 game against Washington. 

John Ganske
From: wrl@pmafire.inel.gov (William Lechner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Patriots  "The longest season"
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:50:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: pmafire.1992Oct14.175039.28802
Organization: WINCO

In article <1bhev4INN8b2@bigboote.WPI.EDU> cor@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Cory Shimer) writes:
>
>
>at this point, it looks like a 1-15 season, unless the Offense has
>a drastic turn around. I am not too worried about the defense... except
>for the secondary.
>

The one win will be against the Colts.

Bill
From: rege@bongo.Berkeley.EDU (Ashutosh G. Rege)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: 49ers/Rams
Date: 7 Oct 1992 19:46:56 GMT
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
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In article <1992Oct7.013114.7134@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.223121.23116@morrow.stanford.edu> GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Oct5.213924.22631@netcom.com>,
>>mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
>
>>>I realize I'm dreaming, but I'd really like to see the Niners move
>>>toward all-purpose DL personnel.
>
>>What you are dreaming of is having the absolute best player in the
>>league at every position.  Kind of tough to do, drafting at the end
>>of the pile year after year.
>
>Let me rephrase:  now that the Niners have a legit rushing game, DL
>ought to be top priority.  And what I hope they focus on are players
>that are more all-purpose than the current squad who can stuff the
>run but are poor at the pass rush.

  At the beginning of the season before the Haley trade, I posted how
  I thought the Niner DL was their strongest unit (with the most
  depth) and how it was one of the best DL's in the league. This
  is not a coincidence. Everybody knows that Seifert lovest
  to draft defensive linemen. Washington was the no. 1 pick last
  year and Dennis Brown a no. 2 the year before that. It is unfortunate
  that Haley had to be traded away (I'm including him in the DL even
  though he's a tweener of sorts). But losing Roberts was worse. Roberts
  had a career year last year and was looking great this year too
  in pass rushing situations. Let's see what Veris can do. 

  Another player who could turn out real great is Dennis Brown. But he
  needs to get used to playing many more downs. Anyway, I don't think 
  that the DL is in that bad a shape. And I certainly don't think
  Seifert is not aware of the problems there. The secondary and the
  DL need to feed off each other, unfortunately the former group
  has been feeding the opposing passers megayards.

  Ashu Rege



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