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From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Yuppie Harleys, NEW BIKE, rantings
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 01:34:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1992Dec21.163200.2981@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
>Being "southern" or possibly "down-home" is wildly popular.
>Look at 
>
>1) pickup truck sales
>2) Country-Western music popularity
>3) The part of the country our executive branch is from.
>4) the popularity of shows about small towns "Northern Exposure, etc"
>
>When the economy picks up steam, these trends will drop, like a rock.

I dunno 'bout that. Back during the early to mid 80's the economy was doing
quite well (at least here in Texas) and the 'Urban Cowboy' thing was immensely
popular.


>
>Can anyone speculate as the taste in motorcycling, and
>possibly it's popularity??

???? A desire for more freedom since the good ol U S of A seems to be
turning into a police state where everything gets the hell regulated (or
litigated) out of it???
-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: fdvlba@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Fort Davis VLBA site)
Subject: Re: Harleys in others' ads (was Re: Cepacol radio ad)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 23:03:00 GMT


How about the 5 cylinder harley in the Jan Scientific American?  Made me
do a serious doubletake.  Wonderful things, these digital widgets.

Steve Cowell..........the littlest harley, 883
From: max@admin.mport.COM (Max)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Who buys these things?
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:00:28 GMT
Organization: Microport Inc., Scotts Valley, CA 95066 US of A

Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:

>In article <2046@admin.mport.COM>, max@admin.mport.COM (Max) wrote:
>> 
>[...]
>> it must be tough to be 45 trying to be 18 again... 

>Not tough but damned stupid.  Who the hell wants to be 18 again?
>Or 45 for that matter.

you really have to see this to believe it. i even was wary of posting my
description of it as i really feel that any overmonied person _should_ be
really happy with a $20,000 hd as their first bike. i have read postings
here of enthusiasts ruffled by the trendiness of the hd at the moment, and
did not wish to perpetuate it. 

but this really has to be seen to be believed. these folx have
mid-life-crisis writtenn all over them. perhaps its the obligatory scowl
that these geriatric wild-one-wanna-be's have that is so evocative of the 
desire to be 18 again. 

i do agree with you that life at 18 is no where near as much fun as life
now. i hope this trend continues... 

has anybody reading this seen the boutique that im describing? there are
los-angelinos in the group. they have about 3 or 4 bikes in the windows at
any given time, all at least $20k. they have been making a killing since
the day they opened. initial sales exceeded expectation by 300% according
to the owner. most of what they sell is non-moto harley stuff like
leathers, belt buckles, lighters and the like. its actually an interesting
store. i think it has a positive effect on motorcycling's image to nonmoto
people.  


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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: lane-splitting etiquette (& **** Harley questions ****)
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 31 Dec 92 09:35:09 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <LOTTO.92Dec31094114@laura.harvard.edu>, lotto@laura.harvard.edu
(Jerry Lotto) wrote:
> 
> 
> This is rec.motorcycles.HARLEY.  Find me ONE chain-driven HD with a
> stock centerstand. 

Mine.  '56.  I also had it on my '78 FXE - it went on easily.  All
I had to do was open up a few bolt holes.
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Why belt drive?
Date: 28 Dec 92 22:21:14 GMT
	<LOTTO.92Dec24163536@laura.harvard.edu> <103202@netnews.upenn.edu>
Organization: Chemistry Dept., Harvard University
In-reply-to: ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu's message of 25 Dec 92 18:20:03 GMT

>>>>> First, grevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (George Grevera) asks:
George> Why did Harley develop belt drive?
In article <LOTTO.92Dec24163536@laura.harvard.edu> I answer:
Me> [an assorted list of belt drive advantages]
>>>>> Then ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (George Grevera) explains:
George> I didn't want to know why you like them or in what ways they
George> might be superior to chains.  I wanted to know why Harley spent
George> the time and money on developing them

So why are you asking us?  It sounds like you want information on a
business decision that was made at the Harley-Davidson Motor Company.
Harley-Davidson executives come to major events just so you can ask
them questions like this.  My interest is in the motorcycles, not the
meeting room.

--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Subject: Cepacol radio ad
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 18:40:39 GMT

--

I just heard this one on the radio at lunch. Cepacol is a medicated
cough drop that comes in two flavors...Cepacol for normal sore
throats, and Cepastat for very bad sore throats. I believe the
active ingradient is Lidocaine.

Announcer: Got a sore throat?

< unmistakeable sound of a Japanese ring ding two stroke dirt bike >

Announcer: Skip the candy, you need Cepacol.

< unmistakeable sound of a Big Twin Harley >

Announcer: Oh, you've got a real bad sore throat. You need Cepastat.

Happy New Year

CdH
 
<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@shr.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: Why belt drive?
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:36:55 GMT

In article <103147@netnews.upenn.edu> ggrevera@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (George Grevera) writes:
[...]
>
>Someone said that belt drive allowed Harley to pass noise regulations.  If this
>is true, what do the Japanese do to their bikes that allows them to NOT have to
>develop their own belt drive?

Water cooling and shaft drive.


--
  Eric Murray                                             ericm@microunity.com
      "Archiving the net is like washing toilet paper!"- Leader Kibo
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Mannning)
Subject: Re: The new motorcyle yuppies.
Organization: Icom Simulations
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:34:29 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.154052.24304@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)  
writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.215346.19488@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
> >In article <82490021@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
> >|
> >|The Ducatis are the trendiest motos at the moment. 
> >
> >Not here.  In the Chicago area, Harleys, bulletbikes, `Bagos, and UJMs still
> >rule, in that order.  The local Ducati dealer doesn't even have any on the
> >floor, and hasn't since mid summer.

that must be Illinois Kawasakii

> >
> 
> Try M&M cycles in Villa Park. They had about 6 on the floor latter part
> of july. Some used. They had an 851 w low miles some doctor thought better
> of.

That's MCC in Villa Park. Nice guys, hard core racers, far from yuppie bate.
Chicago is not in California. I haven't noticed the trendy poser infestation
that people seem to complain about on the West Coast. Neon Gargoyle(tm)
sunglasses, pink/green neon short, shirtless, white hightop wearing, no
faring on the left side, cruse the forest preserves for 2 months out of
the year squids are another story. As for RUBs frustrated into purchasing
a bike because they already own everything in the Sharper Image catalog, if
they do that here it's for their living room, not to actually ride! As for
ducks being trendy, most people around here don't know what they are. My
insurance company didn't. When I sold my Superglide and bought the Fat Boy
I couldn't believe the number of people who started hanging out the window
at lights to tell me how cool it was. Personally it makes me a little self
conscious. On the Superglide I'd get the occasional wave from someone who
knew that it was 20 years old and appreciated the work that I had put into
it or wished he was on his at that moment, that I didn't mind. On the duck,
yes a red one, it's like I'm invisible. I prefer it that way, I hope it
stays that way. I second the observation for Chi town, Harleys,
bulletbikes, `Bagos, and UJMs still rule, in that order. Not to mention
the occasional BMW, Ducks don't even make the list.

--
mmanning@icomsim.com

`92 FLSTF Fat Boy
`92 Ducati 900SS
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: DoH numbers
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 19:04:26 GMT

In article <mtrost.725131898@convex.convex.com> mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost) writes:
>>not attend church every Sunday because he's nursing a hangover and
>>has a devil-may-care 'tude about it anyway. ;-)   
>
>>Anyone care to explain *FTW*? :-) 
>
>>Graeme Harrison
>>DoD#649
>>'Monthly membership dues in Hells Angels is roughly 100 smackeroonies.'
>> 
>
>So....if you see a guy with a patch that says: "1369.2666", WATCH OUT!!!
>
>He's probably a dope smokin', sex crazed Hell's Angel that worships Satan!

Seesters?
 
================================================================================
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. There ain't no more.
                                 doh#0000000005
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From: carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Who buys these things?
Date: 1 Jan 93 20:09:35 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

m_bellor@nntpd2.enet.dec.com ("Sasquatch") writes:


>shz@garage.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:

>>I wouldn't mind being 18 again and I paid $11,000 for my 1991 FXSTC.
>>Does that mean I'm having my mid life crisis at age 32?

> I'm 32 and I also paid $11K for my '91 FXRS, I guess we should be at
> the Crisis Center and Lounge...

I have no interest in being 18 again.

At age 35.5, I paid $13K (OTD, with extra helmet) for my '92 FXRS-CON.

I'm yuppie poser scum; less than the dust under the wheels of the
hallowed "old-timers".  For my sins, I put 9,400 miles on between March
and October, while drawing an indecent salary and raising two kids.
I own two Harley books, 2 dozen Harley T-shirts, belt buckles, Xmas
tree ornament, and other assorted evil merchandise.  My 6-year-old son
has a Harley-embossed Levi's jacket and got two Harley "stunt cycles"
for Christmas.  I feel Sooooooo bad about all this.  <whine;snivel>

I fear only the passing of time will make me a Real Harley Man, having
OWNED Harleys for 20-30 years instead of just WANTING one that long.
--
Carl Paukstis, RRR&RSG             |"The good news is that Clinton will have to
 Olivetti North America/Spokane,WA | work hard to do worse than Bush in terms
 Phone: +1 509 927-5439            | of economic policy.  The bad news is that
 Mail: carlp@mail.spk.olivetti.com | he will probably manage to do so"-Ed Ipser
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: Who buys these things?
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:22:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.234451.3973@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Mannning) writes:
[yuppies who buy brand-new bikes and sell 'em back with few miles on 'em]

>So what have we learned; well the people who buy these bikes are doing no
>one a favor. I'd like it if they lost money after a year. It'd be different
>if this meant bargains for us, then someone who normally couldn't afford a
>new Harley could get one for a song at the dickhead's loss. But these bikes
>are selling, and will sell mind you, for as much as a new one.

Well, there's still a supply of yuppies to buy these bikes again.

> If I make a
>huge impulse buy of something I don't really want I would expect to take a
>major loss when I had to dump it. These guys make a profit.

No way- it's the shop that makes a profit.  They probably bought the
bikes back for ~20% less than the opriginal sale price.  True, they're
doing some profiteering if they're selling the slightly-used units
for more then a new one went for, but hey, that's supply and demamd.


This sort of yuppie-toy thing has always gone on with motorcycles.  I
can remember seeing barely-used Triumphs for sale when I was into
Brit bikes in the mid-seventies.  Also, lots of Japanese bikes.
There's a lot of people with more money than sense, who buy some huge
moto-beast and then scare themselves on it, stop riding, then sell
it to finance their next toy.  It's somewhat sad to see a neato bike
in the hands of a non-enthusiast, but think: they're supporting the
manufacturer and the accessory folks.  The yuppies probably pay more
for their bikes than the enthusiasts do, 'cause they don't have the
knowledge to know what and where to buy stuff.  They also support the
shops, because they don't know how to do their own mechanical work.

My favorite moto shop (Cal BMW) sure doesn't make much from me, 'cause I do
most of my own work.  But for every rider like me, there's three or four
who bring their bikes in for all sorts of routine stuff.  That's the
shop's bread and butter, and what keeps 'em open and with enough spare
time to tell me how to align my fork tubes or discuss the merits of
dual-plugging.

So I don't mind the yuppie posers all that much, because I know that
I and the motorcycle industry benefit from them, even if it's small.

> No bargains for
>someone who truly lusts after the bike the way one should before buying it.
>These people have no appreciation for the machinery. That's what pisses me
>off. It keeps them out of the hands of people who would really love the
>bikes for what they are, not what they think the bike will make them into.

Hey, welcome to America, where you are what you buy. :-(



--
  Eric Murray                                             ericm@microunity.com
      "Archiving the net is like washing toilet paper!"- Leader Kibo
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: harley woman magazine
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 29 Dec 92 09:33:12 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: all
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Dec28.044652.3042@schbbs.mot.com>, ato001@email.mot.com
(tom ott) wrote:
> 
> FYI, My friend Jo Giovannoni is the editor of Harley Women magazine.  For her
> I am passing on this information.

[...]

And it's a good mag, too.  It fills an important nitch in the mc world.
My background was originally publishing (in Chicago, too) and Harley
Woman magazine is a minor legend of success.  Best to Jo and get her
on the net!
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Chains vx Belts in cold weather
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:27:45 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

I've wimped out (it's -59 degrees wind chill right now) but
when it was balmy (32) I rolled the old Harley out and just
as in every previous year, the chain had enormous rolling
resistence.  It's an O-Ring job (tsubaki.)

Do you belt-drive people have similar experiences?  Might
this be a good argument for belt drives?

(in the old days, a plain diamond chain was perfect for
winter riding.)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Subject: Harley dealers: complaints
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 18:33:59 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

								12/30/92

  I am compiling  a list of complaints about customer service at Harley
  dealerships. In the Dallas area you have your choice between 3 Harley
  dealers. I've had it with the treatment and service, so I want to write
  the company personally, and include any bad experiences you, your spouse,
  S.O., or personal friends have had with Harley Authorized dealers you
  have done business with.
  Please in include factual information, as accurately as possible, but
  don't limit yourself. Say what you feel. I don't think names are important,
  but include them if you wish.
  Remember, this is *your* complaint, so don't hold back. Be sure it's factual,
  and not; "my friend's cousin's wife's sister" type thing.

  Send to:	mtrost@eugene.convex.com
  or just post to the net


  Matthew

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: ed@Tekelec.gecko.uucp (Ed Campbell)
Subject: Re: DoH numbers
Originator: ed@rover
Organization: Tekelec Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:44:18 GMT

     I'm new around here. Can anybody tell me if there is some
special meaning to the following numbers?

                 13  69
                1 percent
                   666



Ed Campbell

'57 FL
'76 XLCH
My other car is a '54 Harley Servicar.

*************************************************************
   "Those twins are nice, but since I put in that Plymouth 4
    engine, there aint a Harley, Indian, or Exelcior that can
    touch my Henderson!"
                        Grandmother 1936
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From: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: GODDAMMYUPPIEHARLEYSHOPRIPOFFDICKHEADS
Date: 28 Dec 92 15:11:34 GMT
Reply-To: dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

--

In article <1h812qINNlq3@transfer.stratus.com>, scol@scottsdale.az.stratus.com
(Scott Colbath) writes:

|>I was checking out this new yupster scooter shop (named Surgical Steeds) here 
|>|>in North Scottsdale, Az. the other day and here is what I saw. A later model
|>|>shovelhead in a Paugho wishbone style rigid frame, FLH front end, lots of  
|>goodies, done well. Here's the good part. The sign on the bike read as
|>follows:
|>******************
|>1963 FLH CLASSIC
|>$23,500
|>******************
|>Yeah right. I don't know how they can pull this one over on someone. The motor
|>|>has the timing cone vs. the old style generator cover on the right side (I 
|>|>forget the years of the generator shovels). The title would have to say the 
|>|>truth. And the price!! This bike probably cost $10,000 in parts and labor to
|>|>build. The sad thing is some rich Scottsdale wannabe will buy it at full
|>price  
|>and think he owns a gem of a classic.
|>--
|>**********************************************************

Generator shovels were 1966-1969. 

A 1963 FLH would be a internal oiler Panhead in a round swingarm
frame with a  taper leg wide glide front end. Where they get 1963
from is anyone's guess.

Happy New Year, may the swaps and shows be good to you

CdH

<<<<<<<<<<<<   Ninety eight....don't be late  >>>>>>>>>>>>
Chris deHahn....CdH....Digital Equipment Shrewsbury MA USA
dehahn@shr.dec.com
From: steve@presto.ig.com (Steve Barnhouse)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: El pan lower ends
Date: 29 Dec 92 19:47:04 GMT
Organization: IntelliGenetics, Inc., Mountain View, California USA

In article <Stafford-291292092743@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.155505.1421@ryn.mro4.dec.com>,
>dehahn@strokr.shr.dec.com (chris dehahn) wrote:
>[...]
>> 
>> My brother paid $1200 for his '48 frame two years ago, and was 
>> recently offered $2,000 for it. 1948 was a one off frame (springer
>> Pan).
>
>Hey, and original, stone stock early springers (big twin, not 45)
>are become exceedingly scarce and there are no repops!  I was offered
>$1,500 for mine last year.  Not enough!

How come nobody makes reproduction frames????  How hard is it to make
a frame?  What tools do you need other than a welding machine?

--steve                                          steve@presto.ig.com
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: THE doh ROSTER
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 02:41:10 GMT

In article <5337@prcrs.prc.com> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:
>In article <22912@drutx.ATT.COM>, car377@druhi.ATT.COM 'Roid' Rogers writes:
>What's the difference between rec.motorcycles and rec.motorcycles.harley ?
>Not a damn thing as near as I can tell.  Same old US vs Jap wars, same
>tired wars over lane splitting, helmets, size of yer dicks; 
>a secret club thats really 'just a joke'.....
>
>Explain to me once again the point of this news group and why it's
>different from r.m

explain to me why we should explain anything to you?

and my dickie is big enough to go over my head, isnt yours?

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca   postmaster@thinkage.com   thinkage!kgdykes
         harley-request@thinkage.on.ca             kgdykes@math.uwaterloo.ca
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: Who buys these things?
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford)
Date: 31 Dec 92 08:19:28 -0600
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles.harley
Distribution: world
Organization: MSUS

In article <1992Dec30.211454.27385@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, shz@garage.att.com
(Keeper of the 'Tude) wrote:
> 
> > >Not tough but damned stupid.  Who the hell wants to be 18 again?
> > >Or 45 for that matter.
> 
> I wouldn't mind being 18 again and I paid $11,000 for my 1991 FXSTC.
> Does that mean I'm having my mid life crisis at age 32?

Well, I _hope_ so otherwise you are too young to be the KoT.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
From: gbanks@oxygen.aps1.anl.gov (Gregory Banks)
Subject: exhaust swap
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Chicago Illinois
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:01:14 GMT

Can the exhaust be swapped on a new Harley before the engine has been
broken in ? I want to put the 2 into 1 pipes on the bike so I can use
bigger
bags. One dealer has said not to change the exhaust until the bike has 
its first 500 miles, another dealer has said it does not matter, swap
it when the bike comes in ! Any input on this ?

				  ^
From: newbury@tecsun1.tec.army.mil (George Newbury)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Basket Case
Summary: rebuild harley basket
Keywords: rebuild
Date: 26 Dec 92 05:33:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U.S. Army Topographic Engineering Center, Ft. Belvoir, VA.

I've got a 59' Hog in my basement.  I tore it down in 1973 and
have carried it around since.  What books would you esteemed 
readers & writers recommend ? Note that $ are tight, time is not.

gn 
newbury@tec.army.mil