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From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Hulk: FUTURE IMPERFECT and PAD sneaking around
Date: 1 Jan 1993 16:53:27 -0800
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In article <1993Jan1.200200.12408@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes:
>In article <1i0g9pINN28u@aludra.usc.edu> rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert A. Jung)
>writes:
>>Non-spoilers...
>>
>>Hey, after reading THE INCREDIBLE HULK: FUTURE IMPERFECT #1, am I the only
>>one who went back to read THE INCREDIBLE HULK #301 and went "Now I know
>>where I've seen that face from!"?
>
>Er, my Crossroads issues of Hulk are spotty in coverage.  What face?

  Sorry, mea culpa. I meant HULK #401, not 301. So I'm no numerologist.  B-)

  As for the face, I was referring to the one Delphi generated in her pool.
The one that prompted Aggy to "take a break" as leader of the Pantheon.

                                                --R.J.
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From: kens@psc.lsa.umich.edu (Ken Small)
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Subject: Re: Spawn Question
Date: 21 Dec 1992 15:27:35 GMT
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AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca wrote:

:   By the way, the next Spawn issue with one of the guest writers takes place
: in Hell.  It supposed to bring Kincaid (or whoever) down into the different
: layers of Hell.  The worst being the bottom.  I've already read a poem or
: a story that has this *exact* same idea.  Some guy is taken to all of the
: different layers of Hell by his host, Satan.  I can't remember the authors
: name though,(it was in English class last year).Is McFarlane stealing?

Somebody tell me this is a joke, please...

That was Dante's Divine Comedy; the part you probably read was the
Inferno.  It's one of the most ripped-off ideas *ever*, or at least
one of the most inspirational.  His host was actually Homer, not
Satan. 

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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen)
Subject: Cerebus #165, dig out the chess match stuff, guys.
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 05:34:41 GMT

Page 6 of this issue, Po realizes he made the WRONG MOVE back in #161.  Ut-oh.
Elrod has to be the luckiest shot in the universe, else Swoon was 'guiding' his
shots.  21 shots, 20 hits.
     Notice in the "mouth shots" that the supporters of the invasion look quite
healthy while the opponents are getting pretty scuzzy and diseased?
     Dave Van Domelen, my walkman's batteries are running down, none of my MU*s
are up and I'm getting hungry.  Later, all.
From: Arthur.E.LaMarche@dartmouth.edu (Arthur E. LaMarche)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: SUPERMAN'S comeback
Date: 31 Dec 92 18:36:42 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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Superman's comeback

I heard a rumor that "Superman" would return as four clones.  I believe
that this would be even more lame then killing him in the first place. 
Has anyone else heard this rumor?  Has anyone heard anything more
substantial?  

Arthur LaMarche

LaMarche@Dartmouth.edu
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Dr. Strange #50
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 23:08:22 GMT

Not bad.  Though if we were going to have a Defenders get-together, I'd 
rather have Valkyrie as a fourth than Ghost Rider.  This is a nice stand-
alone comic:  Last issue we learned of the problem, this issue it's 
dealt with.

Good Points:
Some cute scripting.  Eg,
Monster:  NONE.  SHALL.  PASS.
...
Strange:  Bruce... Would you mind, er, smiting our towering adversary?
Hulk:  ... Hulk Smite!

The artwork is attractive, the writing is literate, and the story has
some of the Classic Dr Strange feel.

Bad Points:  
Dr. Strange's depowering reminds me of Thor's old depowerings:  It's a
source of angst, but his actual power level has always been so ill-
defined that it will continue to be whatever-the-writer-needs.  (Btw,
how come Agamotto didn't pull the Eye along with his patronage?)

We lose Clea again.  One of the weakest aspects of this title is its
inability to hang on to a decent supporting cast.

This is a pretty good stand-alone issue, but the creators seem to have
no idea what to do with this title.  It's been a long time since anything
happened except pointless fights and disjointed adventures.

-----
Dani Zweig
dani@netcom.com

   'T is with our judgements as our watches, none
   Go alike, yet each believes his own
		--Alexander Pope
From: intruder@cats.ucsc.edu (Isaac N. Truder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Kirby, Claremont and rights
Date: 29 Dec 1992 22:09:52 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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 > Steve Ditko (co-creator and clear voice of the original
 > Spider-Man) - has grown increasinggly withdrawn, solitary and
 > bitter.  Now his prodigious talents are mocked by fanboys and he
 > was last seen pencilling ROM The Spaceknight (imagine Hitchcock
 > reduced to directing episodes of "Beverly Hills 90210").  

Actually, he was last seen doing some fill-in issue(s) for Valiant,
where his "prodigious talents" looked pretty piss-poor.

And I liked ROM... :-)
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From: tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston)
Subject: Re: Jack "King" Kirby: ripped off by Marvel
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:15:31 GMT

4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes:

>In article <Bzqy9C.Czq@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Johnston) writes:


>I used to buy comics during my lunch break. I would sit down and read
>the latest Marshall Law or something and I would get extremely lame
>comments from people who know nothing about the medium, look right into
>your face and say "you still collect comics". Like I said, the outside 

I'm not sure what to say here.  If you want to read comic books,
you should do so regardless of the reaction received from friends
and co-workers.  If they know you at all, and know of any other
aspects of your life (other hobbies, tastes, reading materials)
I would expect that they wouldn't conclude that you are mentally
inferior for reading comics.  If they do, maybe they take them-
selves just a little too seriously.

>> [...]  I've complained (perhaps overly much)
>> about the lack of quality of Alpha Flight #104

>You were suckered into buying that issue. HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO!!!!! ( :-) )

You may as well laugh, 'cause I still cry when I think about it :-).
I didn't mind giving Marvel the $1.50 for an issue of a book which
I don't normally read; I wanted to see how they handled the extremely
relevant issue of AIDS, and it gave me a chance to see the current
artistic team working on the book.  What I objected to (and this
is the same way I feel about the Superman Death issues) was that
the book was so darned hyped by Marvel, when it contained IMHO
inferior art and writing.  With all the talented people who have
worked on volunteer projects in the past (Heros Against Hunger,
etc.) certainly someone could have been recruited to do this issue
(not as a volunteer, but with traditional compensation) who would
have produced a better comic?

Tom
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From: larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE)
Subject: Joe Kubert does Ghost Rider! (don't miss...)
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 03:10:41 GMT

Just in, the ultra awesome Spirits of Vengeance #7. The story behind all
this is in the new Wizard #18. Here goes!

(page 10)

"JOE KUBERT returns!

In an unprecedented move, comic artists great Joe Kubert has returned to pencil
and ink a Marvel comic: _Ghost Rider: Spirits of Vengeance_. In an apparently
unscheduled move, Joe came aborard after his son Adam Kuburt (the regular
penciler for Spirits) asked him to recommend someone else to draw the comic.
Marvel editor Bibbie Chase was looking  for an unknown, yet when Joe said "Yes,
me" she got considerably more than she bargained for. Joe is working on a 
two-part backup story in the book. This marks the first time since Marvel
was known as Timely Comics that Joe has pencilled AND inked a comic for them.
Don't miss the return of a legent.
"

Well, guys. Part One is AWESOME. Story was OK too. Hey, when is the US
Abraham Stone:Volume II coming out. I saw pages of this beautiful book
in the French magazine _Comics USA_.

Oh, YO JOE and MAKE MINE MARVEL!
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From: dubach1@husc10.harvard.edu (joev dubach)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Favorite Writers
Date: 2 Jan 93 16:00:18 GMT
Organization: Harvard Arts and Sciences Computer Services, Cambridge, MA
In-reply-to: aiello@cps.msu.edu's message of 29 Dec 92 04:30:29 GMT

In article <1hok95INNhrp@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> aiello@cps.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes:

   #1 Stan Lee:
	   If you doubt that he doesn't still have the touch check out
	   Ravage 2099.

Well, I checked out Ravage 2099, and, lo and behold, I no longer doubt
that he doesn't still have the touch.  The story was dreck.

(sorry, this was too easy to resist.)

Joev
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From: lab@pollux (Lab Administrator)
Subject: DC/VERTIGO: Comments, opinions?
Organization: University of Georgia
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 08:48:50 GMT


Sorry if this gets rambling; I've been away from the net for a while...

	Hellblazer 62: I thought it was very well done!  I'm not nuts
	over Steve Dillon's art, but it's miles ahead of Will Simpson.
	The art reminded me a lot of older Delano-run issues -- I'll
	have to go back and look thru my collection for issues drawn
	by Dillon.

	Legion of Super-Heroes: I was expecting to drop the book when
	I heard that Giffen was leaving and that they had blown up the
	Earth, but the two aftermath issues I read were pretty good.
	The art's not bad -- I was afraid I'd miss Giffen and the 9-panel
	format but this is the best artist they've had in a long while.
	They also seem to be listening to readers' suggestions more and
	"dumbing up" the story (okay, making it less complicated if that's
	how you want to describe it) but keeping it pretty good.  Are the
	other net.lsh.readers more satisfied now?

	Vertigo Titles: Which of these look good to y'all?  I'm REALLY 
	looking forward to Sandman Mystery Theater -- anybody seen any
	advance stuff on this?  And is Matt Wagner just doing the story
	or the art too?  I've never looked forward to a book this much...
	Get Anxious!

	The Demon: This book is on my drop list.  I never realized how
	much Val Semeiks' art added to the writing.  Maybe if I come
	into a large some of money in the future I'll keep reading it...

Anyway, what do y'all think of these boks?
Chuck Jordan


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From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Favorite Writers
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 16:53:11 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

What, no Peter David?
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
  "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
   want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagles to my face /
   and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: random thoughts about sandman...
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 08:34:17 EST

mss2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) writes:

Re the Furies:

> My understanding is that you're both partially right.  The euphemism
> came first, then Aeschylus came to try to explain it (and make some
> moral, theological, and constitutional points at the same time).
> 

Just like Neil Gaiman is doing now, right?

Namaste,
Elizabeth


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From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: Looking for Asterix comics
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:12:54 GMT
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              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Geez, almost any bookstore will order these. Doesn't
anyone check "Books In Print" anymore for info?
From: afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: "Sunk the Lowest" Award for 1992
Date: 29 Dec 92 08:57:45 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

Speaking of awards, where's the old rac awards (and the Squiddies)?
I thought they were due out this time of year.

Andrew.
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Cages - McKean
Organization: The Captive Squids of the Poor
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 00:45:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.013010.18659@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>I love the way that the inexplicable coloured bit in an earlier Cages - #4? -
>turned out to be another person's experience of the pathworking run in #6.

>Dave McKean is a _good_ artist... and an example of an artist who can damn well
>tell a story as well as do the art. No McFarlanes here |-)

With all the talk about the McKean artwork in the recent PSA, I went back
and looked through the issues of Cages again. It really does stand up well 
to multiple viewing. (I tend to page through most of the back issues every
time a new issue comes out.)

What impresses me most is the subtlety of McKean's work. Through mainly
visual clues he does a good job of setting up the story, but also defines
his characters. Cages is one of the few books that can communicate well with
body language and expression. The final page of Strata (#6) says more without  
a word being spoken than many comics seem to stuff into an average issue's
worth of dialogue. 

Plus McKean does one of the truest depiction of cats that I've seen. OK, OK, 
so I like cats.  

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    (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)     |  He is tired of the usual livestock and wishes a
    A dead mouse has no     |  snack food offering. Bring forth the peanut!"
    entertainment value     |      _Mr Peanut and the Foolish Idol Worshipers_
From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library
Date: 27 Dec 1992 23:23:26 GMT
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In article <1992Dec27.150854.1477@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
)ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy) writes:
)> eja@carr3.acpub.duke.edu (Eric Akawie) writes...
)> 
)> >What books do YOU want to read out of Lucien's Library.  Let's assume
)> >he's got a comic book section and an AV department too.
)> 
)> comics:
)> Zot! #37 onwards.  (by Scott McCloud)
	
	Oh, yes.

	Also the real, truthful *ending* of Miyazaki's _Nausicaa of the
Valley of Wind_. The word I have is that the new series Viz is putting
out soon *still* doesn't finish the story. Argh.

)> books:

	_The Lords of the Afternoon_, by Cordwainer Smith.
	Alan Moore's prose horror novel.

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From: panda@Micor.OCUnix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden)
Subject: Re: LSH #40, Squires and pages....
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 93 10:04:44 EST

morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Kynn Bartlett) writes:

> In article <1992Dec31.083750.13546@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) w
> >dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen):
> >>Who's the green dude?  Pulsar Stargrave?
> >I wondered about that:  The skin color is right, but the nose is wrong. :-)
> 
> J'onn J'onzz?  How long -do- Martians live?
> 


Or he might be able to travel in time, or deal differently with time than 
other mortals.  (Would he think Nura Nal was worth the effort?  Why not?)

Namaste,
Elizabeth


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From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MISC: "Sunk the Lowest" Award for 1992
Date: 30 Dec 1992 13:32:18 -0600
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Scott McMahan (mcmahan@cs.unca.edu) writes:

>I think LSH got the rug yanked out from under them. The 
>second series should *never* have started sans Levitz.
>This year even finished that off.

Actually, I have been enjoying the last couple issue of the Legion more than
any in the past year or two.  This is about 2/3 due to the relaxing of the
9-panel grid approach (a fine thing in theory, but rarely good for the long
haul with no relaxation into multi-slot panels; see Watchmen for comparison),
and about 1/3 due to the end of the Terra Mosaic, so the plot is finally
moving again (or seeming to, anyway).

>The lowest independant would be Elf Quest, who let other people
>write & draw the characters in an attempt to cash in. If it ain't
>broke, and EQ isn't, don't flamin' fix it! :)

Richard and Wendy have been having other people write Elfquest stories for
over 5 years, in the Blood of Ten Chiefs series of paperbacks.  Expanding
that to the comics (for good or for ill) is just a natrual progression.  I
find the New Blood series to be acceptable (although I could really do without
anything from Barry Blair).

I have to agree with Elizabeth, that Valor is the most disappointing new
entry/biggest fall from his previous stature of the year.  (Timber Wolf would
come close, but he had been seen for three years, anyway.)  Not only has the
characterization been butured, but he is consistently drawn looking like a
"doofus" (okay, *you* come up with a better description).

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                             |     "What are the odds?!" said Tam, waving a
Jim Drew                     | piece of paper tape.  "*Three* fortunes in a
jrd@frame.com                | row, and *all* the same!"
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       |     I took the tape and read it aloud.
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     "Hershey... Hershey..."
B(2)h t c k s g+(p) rv p e   |     "He has *Ch*inese *c*ookies confused with
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  | *ch*ocolate *k*isses," I told Ron.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     "His alliterative attempts are *always*
                             | annoying," Ron replied.
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Gaol House Rock"
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From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: "Sunk the Lowest" Award for 1992
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
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It's hard to name the lowest this year, since for many
books it has been a long, slow decline.

I think LSH got the rug yanked out from under them. The 
second series should *never* have started sans Levitz.
This year even finished that off.
The appalling trash they publish under that name is an
insult to everyone who has ever read or created the Legion.
This is the lowest any book has sunk. (FF doesn't really 
qualify, since it has been limping along for a long time
on lameness. Neither does the X-Pantheon, since they're
Marble's cash cow and have been for a long, long time...
The good stories and art were great, but not essential, to
the X-Success, so when they departed, the X-ness did not
suffer.)

The lowest, lamest, and dumbest publicity stunt has to be
the death of Superbman. Poor guy died to bolster Dee See's
shrinking violet^H^H^H^H^H^Hmarket share, and sorry to say,
it actually worked, they sold millions of them. I think People
has "millions of fans and collectors" -- they're *not* the
ones who bought millions, it was the vaguely curious who'd
otherwise never gotten it. Them and speculators. Dee See has
a couple more million to look forward to when Superbman is
brought back to life. Using their flagship character, the 
basis of their entire universe, in such a base manner is
terrible.

The lowest independant would be Elf Quest, who let other people
write & draw the characters in an attempt to cash in. If it ain't
broke, and EQ isn't, don't flamin' fix it! :)

Then there were the rare, unbagged copies of the X-Cruciating Rip-off
circulating. I have some I invested in. If you want them, they're
only $100 apiece. I have a rare unbagged copy of the 12th installment
*without a trading card*, invaluable. Ask for a price :)

Scott

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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Indie Distribution Discounts (Was Re: Jack Kirby ripped off?)
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 14:59:15 GMT

jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes:

>In article <1992Dec24.232807.21586@julian.uwo.ca> larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE) writes:

>That was the point I was making.  If I (say) had to leave town, and I checked
>out the local shops and found a place which said "sorry, sir, but we don't
>carry Cerebus" I'd NEVER GO BACK THERE AGAIN.

Comics stores are educatable.  I usually shop at Baron's Collectables
in Ypsilanti, MI.  Their selection of indies used to be pretty poor,
but they'll get you a single issue of pretty much anything if you ask.
About a year ago the owner made my day when he overheard me asking for
something and told the clerk "Get six.  Whatever he orders sells out."

BTW, their price to regulars for the Superman death GN/collection was
$3.95 (20% off).  Priced about right, I'd say.  But that's another
thread....
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