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From: tai@starbird.WPI.EDU (Lisa Taikitsadaporn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: low class
Date: 11 Oct 1992 05:53:43 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

                Here's some definitions I looked up in my Random House
        Webster's College Dictionary (1991).

        lower class:  a class of people below the middle class in social
                standing and generally characterized by low income and
                lack of education

        middle class:  a class of people intermediate between those of
                higher and lower economic or social standing, generally
                characterized by average income and education, conventional
                values, and conservative attitude.  the class traditionally
                intermediated between the artistocracy and the working class

        upper class:  a class of people above the middle class, characterised
                by wealth and social prestige

        Since Mr. Laurence and the definition in "middle class" made
references to the word "aristocracy" and "aristocrat" here's the definition.

        aristocracy:  a class of persons holding exceptional rank and
                privileges, esp. the hereditary nobility.  any class or
                group regarded as superior because of education, ability,
                or wealth.

        aristocrat:  a member of the governing aristocray; a hereditary noble;
                a person of superior achievement



My $0.02 worth.

L. Taikitsadaporn



>> I disagree with you (Lisa). On top of that (money, education, religion and
ETC.) Many societies also use race as a mean to determine classes. Take
Britain, Germany and Canada for example,
They're very prejudice against blacks and jews.
And here is a quotation from a friend of mine,
"As a jew in England (LAPSED OF COURSE),
as a jew in canada, as the husband of a Filipina, as a jew in Germany, and
my wife has become the victim of same in Germany and England. "

What is the point to all this? LOW CLASS to me are those
people that were a victim of racism or had been classified as a
lesser race in their own country or society, but yet they have
enough nose (nerve) to criticize other societies.

Conclusion:
P.S. : If you don't know or confuse of what I am talking about.
       Please tell me, I would love to elaborate on it.
From: suntich@atlantic.cps.msu.edu (M Suntichaikul)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: On salary of S&T Manpower
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:43:46 GMT
Reply-To: suntich@ee.msu.edu
Organization: EE Department, Michigan State University

In article <oeqOedq00WBKM2c28c@andrew.cmu.edu>, Schitt Laowattana <sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

.........................[ stuff deleted].............................
|> 
|> >    Thirdly, According to the statistic on S&T manpower, some engineers will
|> > be unemployed. Probably the demand is much less than the supply. Do you
|> > think that the government will not take any action regarding to the high
|> > pay of future instructors? Probably, give us less pay to employ more people.
|> 
|> [Schitt]
|> 
|>     The right solution is to increase demand.
|> 

     - As well as decrease excessive supply.

-----
Montree Suntichaikul

suntich@ee.msu.edu
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Money Money Money
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:13:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: sscvx1.14OCT199213133974
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1

In article <14OCT92.10294024@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, emaruchi@meena.cc.uregina.ca              writes...

>                                Money is not the most important
> 
>                                        Bunlur Emaruchi


Not to those who already have it, no.  But to those that do not,
it is extremely important


Laurence
From: meechan@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Korbkiat Meechan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: RE:world
Date: 9 Oct 1992 19:52:05 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.30
Originator: meechan@convex.csd.uwm.edu


Article: 3780 of soc.culture.thai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: panu@sol.acs.unt.edu (Sittiwong Panu)
Subject: Re: world
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:05:59 GMT

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

>Does anyone else agree with me that Schitt's postings are getting a bit
>boring and seem unconnected with any threads on this group, other than
>Schitt.  If this goes on I shall have to post my entire PhD thesis.

>Laurence


         Khun Schitt's postings might not be interesting for you, but I'm
sure they would be for many Thais who wanted to see how a good thing will be
developed in the future of our country. At least, his postings are not to
destroy the image of our society. 

         If you don't find his postings interesting, disregard them. 

         Which one is more boring?..One that is trying to improve our
society, or one that contains negative ideas toward our people and society?.

        

From: meechan@convex.csd.uwm.edu (Korbkiat Meechan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: RE:world
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: soc.culture.thai
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Keywords: 


From uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!eff!news.oc.com!mercury.unt.edu!sol!panu Fri Oct  9 13:10:39 CDT 1992
Article: 3780 of soc.culture.thai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: panu@sol.acs.unt.edu (Sittiwong Panu)
Subject: Re: world
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:05:59 GMT

godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:

>Does anyone else agree with me that Schitt's postings are getting a bit
>boring and seem unconnected with any threads on this group, other than
>Schitt.  If this goes on I shall have to post my entire PhD thesis.

>Laurence


         Khun Schitt's postings might not be interesting for you, but I'm
sure they would be for many Thais who wanted to see how a good thing will be
developed in the future of our country. At least, his postings are not to
destroy the image of our society. 

         If you don't find his postings interesting, disregard them. 

         Which one is more boring?..One that is trying to improve our
society, or one that contains negative ideas toward our people and society?.

        
-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~  If you think your life is stink, then look at Al Bundy's life.      ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~  From. Kobkiat Meechan           | Mechanical Engineering            ~
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: an explanation from me
Summary: a followup on Khun Teerawat's and Mr. Laurence's posts
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 11:12:00 GMT

In article <1b5onfINNa9b@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, tai@starbird.WPI.EDU (Lisa Taikitsadaporn writes...
>In article <9210100352.AA00965@emunix.emich.edu> teera@emunix.emich.edu (Teerawat Pawittranon) writes:
> 
>>If I understood you correctly, I think I would have difficulty in communicating
>>with you as well (to the level of your expectation).  I have never been on
>>the other side (in your shoes) before, so I do not know why you have felt
>>suspicions on your part when conversing with Thais?  (Have you felt like 
>>this when you communicate with people from other cultures?)  I must say that
>>I have not felt suspicions on others from different culture what I talked to
>>them (except when the situations and circumstances were as such ....
>>*suspicious* in nature themselves).  May be you should explain a little more
>>about the suspicions you have felt? 
> 
>	Yes...I would like to hear what you, Mr. Laurence, felt was 
>"suspicious" behavior.
> 

I believe I was talking about farang-Thai interactions in general, not my own,
and was relating the feeling of many farangs I spoke to in Thailand (see
below)
> 
>>> I have always maintained that these suspicions are frequently unjustified, and

As I imply, I told others that theie suspicions were frequently unjustified.
Anyay, I think I should expand on this.... I am not typical of the farang who
lived in Thailand, and while my nature is confrontational I always start off
interactions with people by assuming that their intentions are good and waiting
to see whether or not I am correct.  When I went to live in Thailand I had visited
there six times before and my opinion of Thai people was EXTREMELY good, so
much so that I gave up my career in the west and abandoned everything there
to go to live and work in Thailand, with the intention to remain there for
good.  While living there I got cheated and exploited by my boss and other
officials at CMU, but my opinion of Thai people in general did not change,
and I constantly defend them to other farang - all that has happened is
that I know Thailand better than before I lived there.  I decided to leave
Thailand only after I publicly exposed the problem at cmu and the Rector
there did absolutely nothing about it (having promised the opposite), after
I was threatened and the physics dept. at the university was surrounded 
by guards with orders to stop me entering
, after I was warned by several Thai ajarns to get out of Chiang Mai and
Thailand for my own safety.

Since leaving I have been back to thailand four times, and enjoyed it just
as much as i always did.  I have interacted with many Thais in US, Germany
and England and I have no suspicions unless (as oanother correspondent
said) the circumstances were by their nature suspicious ones.

regards Lauernce
From: tstil@Auspex.COM (Tim Stilwell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Thai Classical Music
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:54:26 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

Sawasdee khrap everyone,

	Last summer, my temple, Wat Buddhanusorn, in Fremont California started
	a music class for interested Thais.  Some Thais had returned to Thailand
	for summer vacation and they purchased these neat stringed instruments
	that look like several parallel wires stretched across a board.  I do
	not remember the name of these instruments but I can easily ask my
	friend because Khun Brian is a music student.  The instrument is played
	like a snare drum, two sticks are used to hit the strings.  Each string
	is a different note but the sound can be flat or sharp depending on 
	where you hit the string.

	The instrument looks like this:  (well almost)

				-----------
			      / /---------\ \
		             / //---------\\ \
                            / ///---------\\\ \
                           | ////---------\\\\ |
                           | ////---------\\\\ |
                            -------------------

	The music written for this instrument is very different from Western 
	music because it is written with just a letter identifying the string
	and a bar above or below the letter to signify sharp or flat.

                    -   -
	Like this:  F K B S K
                      -   -

	Anyway, the music is very beautiful and usually played in groups.  Each
	song begins with a single melody played by one instrumentalist.  The
	melody is repeated with several players and then some harmony may be
	introduced.

	I was most impressed with the instructor because the members of the
	temple paid for her to visit us for one month and to teach the students.
	After all of the students played their songs, the instructor played
	a few songs.  She hit the strings with her sticks so fast that you
	could not see her hands move!  The songs were very beautiful and
	apparently very traditional and popular because many older Thais began
	to clap their hands and hum the melody.

	Does anybody know the names of some of these songs?  Can you tell me
	if they are available on tape?  A Thai gentleman sells cassette tapes
	every Thai holiday at our temple.  I would like to buy some tapes
	but I do not know the names of these songs or the names of good
	singers.

	tim

Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:36:33 -0400 
From: Schitt Laowattana <sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Demand-Supply of S&T Manpower in Thailand


                  Demand-Supply of S&T Manpower in Thailand
                                   during 
         the Seventh National Plan on Economic and Social Development
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Level |            Supply                 |              Demand
      | Engineering  Sciences  Agriculture| Engineering  Sciences Agriculture
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Technician
(B.E)
2535    80,516       -         7,226        86,018        -        8,868
2536    83,326       -         7,799        93,870        -        9,799
2537    88,823       -         7,648        91,386        -        9,659
2538    92,216       -         7,717        95,930        -        9,994
2539    95,416       -         7,836       100,412        -       10,540

Bachelor Degree

2535    4,833        2,899     3,325         5,607        3,242    -
2536    5,302        3,027     3,877         5,657        3,452    -
2537    5,511        3,202     4,152         5,634        3,429    -
2538    6,079        3,460     4,548         5,687        3,465    -
2539    6,719        3,936     4,932         5,686        3,590    -

Graduate Degree

2535    344          334       308           788          377      -
2536    369          361       333           842          381      -
2537    397          390       360           896          384      -
2538    435          441       389           950          387      -
2539    477          475       420         1,003          392      -

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source    :   - Ministry of University Affairs
              - Ratchamongkul Institute of Technology
              - Estimation of S&T Manpower, Institute of Academic Service
                Chulalongkorn University
              - S&T Manpower Situation: An Update, TDRI 2532

N.B       :     1. Not account for accumulated demand
                2. Including associate degree
                3. Supply for agriculture in the level of bachelor and  
                        graduate degree is sufficient.

Posted by
Schitt Laowattana     
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: sinman@next19pg2.wam.umd.edu (Mai)
Subject: U of MD. alumni
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:55:45 GMT



	To all of the thai out there in the real world. My name is  
Tummasak Suphanochakul (Mai), a Junior Architecture major at the  
University of Maryland. I'm trying to recolonize the Thai Student  
Association at the Univerity of Maryland which had been gone since 1988.   
I would like to know (if possible) the names and addresses of all the  
'Alumni' of the University of Maryland student --doesn't matter he or she  
is now.  This information if for a file which I am collecting inorder to  
make preference for further contribution and assistance.
	Any suggestion is welcome...  I am new at this thing : (

	Email address: sinman@wam.umd.edu

And I thank you for spending 3 mintues of your time to read this paragraph  
over...


Tummasak Suphanochakul


 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: markaa@cs.cornell.edu (Mark D. Aagaard)
Subject: Re: world
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:18:11 GMT

I have been reading this newsgroup since it first started, and 
until Sept 12 or so this was a very friendly, openminded and 
informative newsgroup. Since that time we have seen a number of 
flame wars, which were entirely unheard of before Laurence Godfrey 
started posting to s.c.t  Although I felt that many of his articles were
rude and inappropriate, I have avoided posting anything in response. 
Having seen many flame wars on other groups I think that in general
the best response is to ignore them.

Given all that, I think that Laurence's complaint about Schitt's
postings was very rude and inconsiderate. I can only hope that
the person was correct who theorized that Laurence posted his
note because it was the only comment that he could make.

I am a grad student in Electrical Engineering and am interested
in the opportunities for teaching and/or consulting in Thailand.
I read many of Schitt's postings and have found them much more
informative than Laurence's diatribes.

>Does anyone else agree with me that Laurence's postings are getting a bit
>rude and seem inconsiderate of everyone in this group, other than
>Laurence.  If this goes on I shall have to alias s.c.t to alt.flame.


 -mark aagaard
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: tai@starbird.WPI.EDU (Lisa Taikitsadaporn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Godfree's World
Date: 12 Oct 1992 10:57:00 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: starbird.wpi.edu

In article <9210120506.AA02268@emunix.emich.edu> teera@emunix.emich.edu (Teerawat Pawittranon) writes:
>> >> Yes, I agree with you, man. Professor Schit's posting is getting kind
>> >> of boring. So..., why don't you post it up? I would love to read your
>> >> phd feces or fetus.
>> >
>> > Who is this anonymous and nasty-sounding person signing on
>> > from Chicago? Do some systems allow anonymous postings? Why,
>> > except for shame, would someone omit signing his or her
>> > name?
>> >
>> > (BTW, Khun Schitt's postings weren't intersting to me, but I
>> > see no need publicly to say so at the cost of hurting
>> > people's feelings gratuitously! And obviously they will
>> > interest *some* readers, however few.)
>> >
>> >                                 Seamus Cooney
>> 
>>  My first name is 'Anal' and my last name is 'Nymous'. And I am
>>  nasty, I must admit. Especially to the loud mouths. Why don't
>>  you check on other news group?  and see who's a bigger jerk.
>					   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>What good would it do when we find out who is the *smaller* jerk?  Please
>forgive and forget, and let's go on with other discussion topics which could
>benefit all of us like it has been since the inception of this group.
>
>owen

	I agree with Khun Owen that we should let this fire die and move on.
If anyone *must* continue on with this do so privately.  Personally I'm very 
fed up with this and it's getting to the point where I am beginning to find
the childish behavior of the posters who are flaming each other very silly
and amusing.
	Please let us move on to other dicussions and not waste public
bandwidth flaming each other; an activity that is becoming pointless and
going absolutely no where.

Peace to all...
L. Taikitsadaporn
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
From: tockgae_@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Suwanvanichkij)
Subject: discussion
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 01:17:26 GMT
From: itthi@sunburn.sli.unimelb.edu.au (Itthi Trisirisatayawong)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: (sct mail list) Email distribution of soc.culture.thai
Keywords: email, distribution, help
Date: 8 Oct 92 04:31:22 GMT
Reply-To: itthi@sunburn.UUCP (Itthi Trisirisatayawong)
Organization: University of Melbourne, Dpt of Surveying and Land Information


 In article <70193@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt4458c@prism.gatech.EDU (John Stephens Cronin) writes:

 I used to have a service whereby I distributed this newsgroup by email.
 I discontinued the service about 8 months ago for a variety of reasons.
 One of these reasons is a request by munnari.oz.au to cease sending long
 messages into Thailand through them, as it costs too much.  So, I am looking
 for help with the following problems:

	1) What gateways are currently available into Thailand?

	2) Is there anybody inside Thailand to whom I can send one copy
	   of a day's postings, so that they can then forward it to those
	   who want it in Thailand?  I am willing to work with anyone -
	   Unix uucp, Internet, Fidonet, whatever?  What I don't know I
	   will learn, and I am willing to provide a certain amount of
	   technical support.  I am very familiar with Unix, particularly
	   Sun workstations, and I used to be familiar with MS-DOS and
	   could no doubt pick up where I left off if necessary.

 The service is not available yet, it should be in a week or so.  I have
 ---------------------  deleted -------------------------------------
I'm just wondering if your service is available for people who are outside
of Thailand too. There are many peole who have e-mail access
but can't read news. One of them ask me to collect news and mail him and I'm
quite sure many of us are doing so.
From: mptj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Chuan lets law prevail over what, exactly?
Date: 13 Oct 92 17:31:20 EDT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cornell University

kamol@ipied.tu.ac.TH   tells us more about PM Chuan:


>Mr Chuan said he could not tell whether the military
>investigation into the May tragedy would be made public or not.
>
>"If it is confidential, then it cannot be revealed."


Now that is NOT common sense. We already know what "confidential" means:
The army will conduct their own investigation of a story which they know
well in two different versions: the real one (which they know because they 
did it), and the one they told us (which they know because they made it up).
Therefore, a secret investigation is a waist of time and energy and would only
serve to delay the prosecution of murderers and lie to the public once more.
This has to be stopped. A completely open investigation that will be subject
to public criticism is the only way to do justice and repair the now-extinct
human rights in Thailand.


Abi
From: sl2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Schitt Laowattana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.thai
Subject: Re: Salary for instructor
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:45:58 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.thai: 10-Oct-92 Salary for instructor
by Uthayopas Putchong@usl.e 

> This is a lot of budget. As you will know, even the government are willing
> to pay this amount for the S&T instructor, the instructor in another field
> will complain that why don't they get it too, why threat them as a second
> class instructor. So, what will the government do. Turn this plan down 
> again as before.

Sawatdee krub khun Uthayopas,

    1. This is not a big budget when compared with allocations in other
matters.  This agenda is both urgent and important which our government
needs to take care immediately.

    2. It's not a matter of how "loog mia noi" instructors in other
fields are.   This time around, the government must think about a logic
of demand-supply.  S&T intructors in Thailand are really in bad shape.

    3. To avoid such a conflict in (2), isolation of S&T universities,
perhaps, is an optimized solution.  That is S&T universities are more
flexible to work with industry (R&D and consulting jobs) and are allowed
to balance their budget.  These universities must find external sources
of income to support highly qualified personel by their own. 

    4. Having discussed with Thai S&T students and professionals, I am
convinced that resonable salary is one of the fundamental factors to
build up "S&T critical mass".  Of course, I am not in favor of the idea
to pay salary at the same level which they can make if they work here. 
That's impossible.  I am proposing the same salary or a bit better
compared to one in private sectors in Thailand.

With Great Respect,
Schitt Laowattana
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: Godfree's World
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 06:54:00 GMT

I don't think any of my postings to any groups, including SCT, have been
abusive.  At worst they could be described as opinionated.

Laurence