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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: Raiders vs. Redskins (CBS' unprofessionalism)
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:36:19 GMT

In article <103307@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>
>How about Randy Cross?  He's taken a few chapters from the Bill Walsh school
>of commentating.  His pro-Niners bias is so blatant it's funny.  During the

When Cross did his last 49er telecast (was against either the Vikings or
the Bucs) he was VERY negative in his comments towards the 49ers.  Made
me wonder if the niners had kicked him off the team rather than him
retiring.  I checked with some other people who have seen his commentary
on other games and they said that he generally makes negative comments
about all teams.

>Jets-Saints game, his picks for coach of the year (Seifert), defensive player
>of the year (Ronnie Lott) and rookie of the year (Ricky Watter-Brett Favre)

Yeah, this seemed funny to me too.  Looked like he picked people taht
he personally knew.  Siefert deserves to win it someday (a four year
record of 14-2, 14-2, 10-6, 14-2 is okay, even here in SF :-)), but won't
this year because of the great job done by Green.  Lott had some good
games when they showed the Raiders here in SF, but I'm sure that there
are some great defensive players that played for winning teams this
year that are at least as deserving.  Waters isn't a rookie, so he
doesn't qualify.

>was getting silly (not to say that these folks didn't deserve the honor but
>it just seemed so one sided).
>
>Frank Al and Don are a piece of work!
>
Didn't all you Lion fans just love it when Dan is rooting for Joe to
throw a TD?  Makes you just want to turn off the sound, didn't it?
(Of course, here KGO radio was saying the same thing.)

>My favorites are the ESPN team (self-depricating), Matt Millen (who has
>managed to transcend his team association) and Madden-Summerall.
>
>
>satish nair
>waiting for the shoe to drop
>


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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 08:51:08 -0500 
From: Conrad Poelman <conradp+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Steelers half-time, final scores with different QBs

Where could I find the half-time and final scores of this season's and
last season's Steelers games, hopefully with an indication of who played
QB during the game?  I have this theory about how the Steelers perform
in the second half with different QBs, and I'd like to see if it's true.

For the curious, I'll say it now, at the risk of being embarassed if the
stats don't bear it out.  I actually generated this theory near the end
of last season, when O'Donnell had only played in a few games, but it
seems like it's valid this season too.  Whenever I'm watching a Steelers
game with Bubby Brister at QB, it seems that if the Steelers aren't
ahead by more than a touchdown at the half, they will lose.  With
O'Donnell at QB, if they're down by a touchdown or less going into the
half, I'm confident that they'll win.  The whole team seems to play
better in the second half with O'Donnell at QB.  Even the defense!  Go
figure.  Perhaps with Brister the defense isn't so motivated to make the
big play, since they know if they get the ball Brister won't do anything
with it anyway...

--Conrad
From: caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Coach of the Year nominees
Date: 23 Dec 1992 17:48:02 GMT
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In article <168C69123.ISTRE-A@RICEVM1.RICE.EDU> istre@ricevm1.rice.edu writes:
>Well it is time for name the Coach of the Year. I will go ahead and cast
>my personal choices. Some of you may agree and most of you will disagree
>but what the hell, they are MY choices.
> 
>NFC - Mike Holmgren, Green Bay Packers.
> 
>      His Packer team has made the playoffs, but more importantly, they
>      have made many accomplishments not done since the Lombardi era.
>      Packer fans have in my opinion, been a hardy, 'stand-by-their-team'
>      bunch, but I am sure they must be very excited up there.

	I really dont think Holgrem should get coach of the year. The Packers
	were at one point 2-5, and in their winning streak, they have
	only beaten 2 winning teams. The beat Philly and Houston, and
	they have beaten 4 sub-500 teams in Chicago,Detroit,Tampa, and LA Rams.

	I think yes, the Packers are improved and Holgrem is a good coach
	for them, but I really do like Dennis Green in the NFC. Took a team
	that always underachived, and helped motivate them to win. They
	are 10-5 now, could be 11-5. Nothing to laugh at regardless of
	what you think about the Vikings. Alot of team wish they were 11-5,
	or even 10-6.

	AFC- I like Ross or Marchiobroda(sp?)

	Mark


-- 
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Gannon back in the pocket, DRAW to Allen, Allen bursts up the middle,TOUCHDOWN!
From: garyr@hpspdla.spd.HP.COM (Gary Rosen)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 04:59:09 GMT
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: HP Stanford Park - Palo Alto, CA
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>(Gary Strand) /  1:29 pm  Dec 22, 1992 /
>hw> Holly Wise
>gs> Gary Strand

>gs> If a team favored by ~3 TDs can just barely beat a turd 4-10 team, they 
>    don't deserve to be in the NFL.

>hw> Any team can have an off day.  

>  Not according to M. Gloria. Teams that don't absolutely dominate a weaker

What about the "dickhead" (yours truly :^))?

>  Oh, yes, one other thing -- he completely fails to give any credit to the
>  winning team. KC loses to Giants -- just shows that AFC stinks. NO loses

Neither do you, when it's the 'Niners.  In your own words, the 'Niners
"don't belong in the league".  Of course it was incredibly illogical of John to suggest that the Falcons stink merely because several different teams have blown them out this year.

>hw> Gary, you sound like an anti-niner whiner!

You sure got that right, Holly! :^)

- Gary Rosen
From: curt@oce.orst.edu (Curt Vandetta)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Vikes and Bills observations (not the Chargers)
Date: 21 Dec 92 22:29:37 GMT
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In article <BzMoB5.6JL@acsu.buffalo.edu> v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER) writes:
  
  [ Irrelavent Stuff is GONE ]

  <Commenting on San Diego>

>They have a 0-4 record against winners and a 5-0 record against losers.
             ^^^
	Thier first 4 games of the regular season.

  I don't think that San Diego is all that good of a team, but you have
  to concider that John "The Deep" Freiz, San Diego's starting QB was lost
  for the season very early in the year.  (Like maybe the last pre-season
  game?) And Humphries was brought in from Washington after the regular 
  season started.  

  I'm kind-a hoping that they suprise some people.  It's fun to hear 
  Berman go off about them.  By the way, what is Berman's connection to
  the Lightning Bolts?  Were they his favorite as a child or what?
   
>Bruce, a Bills fan

  Curt
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From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 23:21:19 GMT

In <1992Dec25.162027.15464@cbnewsk.cb.att.com> lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:

>In article <1992Dec25.082049.23606@netcom.com> xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters) writes:
>>>How many playoff victories does Young have?  
>>
>>At least one, possibly more.  He beat the Vikes back in '87, 
>1987 playoffs (Jan. 1988) at Candlestick:

>    Minnesota 36  San Francisco 24

>The 49ers got blown out in the 1st half, 20-3. Young came in for the 2nd
>half to make the score respectable.  I don't realize that 49ers fans have 
>to resort to MORAL victory. 

Hmm, that's definitely not the game I had in mind.  I'm talking about
the one where Steve ran for a 49 yard TD to cement the victory.  Might
have been the '88 game against the Vikes.

My scrapbook is very confusing on this point.  It lists the Niners as
losing the game above, and then shows them going on to lose against the
Giants.  Unless there was some rule back then about how a team could
lose a playoff game, and then go on to play another playoff game, this
is clearly wrong.  :-)

>>and there was a lot of "quarterback controversy" talk at the beginning 
>>of the '88 season.  

>Yes, and that's because Young did well in a mop-up game, and the whiners
>thought that productive garbage time is actually a good indicator of a QB's 
>ability.

Young started several games for the Niners as far back as '87.  Most of
the controversy was based on Joe's growing fragility and advancing age
as much as it was on Steve's excellent play.  OC, some people will
misinterpret anything as "whining".  This is called prejudice.

The real whiners are those who try to cast aspersions on Steve.  The
simple fact of the matter is that he's been stepping in for Joe for
years, and the Niners have rarely missed a beat when that's happened.

>And BTW, Zimmers, Young's NFL career is not just starting. His record was
>1-4 in 1985, 2-14 in 1986. Doesn't look like he could have done better with
>the Seahawks either.

Could *anyone* have won games with the 'hawks?  :-P  ;-)

BTW, I'm not Zimmers, and I wasn't when I posted the above.

Anyway, if you want to argue that the Niners' system makes even average
QBs look great, you'll get no argument from me.  I'm actually a little
dubious about just how great a QB Joe Montana really is, and I'm a died
in the wool Niners fan.  But heck, as long as they keep winning, I don't
care how good their QB's would be if they had to play for one of the 27
wannabe teams in the league.  :-)
-- 
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xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers |  in the imagination of the imaginer" --FZ
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From: steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen)
Subject: The Packers still suck
Organization: Weber Systems - Milwaukee, Wisconsin 
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:03:12 GMT

Subject line says it all!
From: gilford@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Gilford T. Hapanyengwi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Dallas-Atlanta Final Score
Date: 22 Dec 92 05:00:21 GMT
Organization: Vanderbilt University CS Dept.

Dallas 41 Atlanta 17.
Dallas NFC East Champs.

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From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Cowboys clinch NFC East
Date: 22 Dec 1992 19:11:00 GMT
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In article <douthit.725048051@scofflaw> douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit) writes:
>dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
 >>I loved the game, though, because it showed what a pretender Sanders really
 >>is.  Irvin turned him inside, outside, upside-down, including one strike
 >
 >I loved the game also, but to call Sanders a pretender is harsh.  Sanders
 >had a bad game.  Once you get frustrated, like he did, it only gets worse.
 >Sanders is a great athlete, but Dallas did a good job containing him on
 >returns.  Nevertheless, I'd take him anyday.
 
I agree win Dan, Sanders is a JOKE, Boo Hoo I got beat so let me 
go over and chunk a bench. Go Back to playing bball. Atlanta Braves
"Americas Team" Pleeeeeeease. I think they pay Sanders just to run 
his mouth, he's a jerk. It's one thing to talk trash but you have to 
be able to back it up on the field.

The best one of the night was Sanders trash talkin Michael Irvin
and he was over thrown, MI came back on the next play and toasted
him for a big gain....

I said when Glanville went to Atlanta that they would lose a game or
two per year just because teams want to stick it to Jerry, now
we can double it up, some will show up just to rub PrimeSlimes nose 
in the doo doo.....

DALLAS COWBOYS
1992 NFC EAST CHAMPIONS

Do the "Shark Dance"
Tim
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Humble Defensive Backs [was Re: Over-rated players???]
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:40:40 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <63090@mimsy.umd.edu> sjsmith@cs.umd.edu (Stephen Joseph Smith) writes:
>ric@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ricardo.g.irvin) writes:
|>I may not agree with [Deion Sanders's] cocky attitude, but, name a good
|>defensive back who isn't cocky. 
|
|Just to make this clear, I definitely agree that Deion Sanders is, by far,
|NOT an overrated player.
 
I don't think the Deion Sanders is overrated either.  Many claim that he
is the best coverman in the league.  His cockiness and showboating doesn't
match his talent however.  A spike in the endzone even a little celebration
dance I feel is OK, but the posing is a bit too much.  At least we don't have
to see Hammer on the sidelines this year.
 
|However, I will present Rod Woodson of the Pittsburgh Steelers as an
|example of a good defensive back who isn't cocky, or who at least doesn't
|show it on the field.
|
|Rod will make an interception, run it back as ferociously as he can, and
|then calmly toss the ball to a ref and walk off the field.
|
|Anyone who doesn't bleed black and gold want to back me up on this?
 
I haven't followed the Steelers close enough to comment on Woodson but in
general I have a lot more respect for the player that quietly yet aggressivly
kicks butt every week than a bunch of hotdogs like the Atlanta defensive backs.

I think that Ronnie Lott epitomizes the "silent but deadly" player.
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From: ahmed@uts.amdahl.com (Syed S. Ahmed)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Ricky Watters
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:11:23 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I came across a couple of posts saying that Ricky Watters reached 1000 yards
rushing for this season. Ricky did reach the 1000 yard mark against the Bucs
but lost a couple of yards in his next carry. As a result he has a total
of 998 yarrd. Hope he gets to the magic figure next week.

Is Watters 100% fit now? I'm quiet concerned since he didn't look that good
against the Bucs. So did Amp Lee. Seems like the idea of using two runningbacks
is not working too well.

Ready, set, Joe !! Can't wait to see him on Monday.

--
sabeel - A 4TNiner Fan
From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:14:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Falcons really that lame?
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
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The Falcons are a joke this year.  They surprised some people last year.
Rather than being good sports while winning last year, the Falcons mouthed off
and taunted anyone who would waste time to listen.  Their stupid California
Bowl trophy is an example.

I can't think of players I dislike more than Sanders, Rison, and that ex-49er
drone who shall remain nameless.  What a bunch of low-class punks.  I 
especially liked the tantrum Neon had on the sideline the other game when he
wrecked a table.

Glanville and Co can go screw now that they are once again the NFC west
doormats.  Hey Neon, bite me.  You'll never be as good as Bo and, as Ali
would say, you aint as pretty.

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From: kennedy@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Ralph Kennedy)
Subject: Re: Dan Reeves is gone!
Organization: Arizona State Univ, Tempe
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:10:34 GMT

pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes:
> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
> >>Phoenix?
> >
> >This is where I see him going.  Either here or Seattle.
> >Should be an interesting couple of days.
> 
> What coach, especially one of Reeves' stature, would want to work for
> Bill Bidwill?

     "Stop torturing me, Ethel!"   -- "George," Firesign Theater

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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF announcers about Montana
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:46:27 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Dec29.062818.4375@schbbs.mot.com> bates_r*Corp_C@msm.cdx.mpt.com (Rick) writes:
|MNF announcers about Montana
|
|Frank was babbling about Atlanta's "Run & Shoot Defense" not being able
|to perform against the 49ers.
|What was he talking about?

I suppose that is engaging mouth before putting brain in gear...Did anyone
notice in the recent Raiders/Redskins games that one of the announcers said
"Raiders" when he was talking about the Redskins several times that game?

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From: hunt@shy.umd.edu (Brian Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Super Bowl champs keep falling (was: Re: SKINS RULE)
Date: 28 Dec 92 07:04:56 GMT

petersen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jim Petersen) writes:
>And how about the Giants? Super Bowl two years ago, this year in
>the dumps (5-11?). If these NFC teams are so great, why do they
>just flash in the pan and then disappear?

Dunno, must be some kind of conspiracy to keep winning the Super Bowl
every year...

Brian Hunt
hunt@ipst.umd.edu
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From: krb@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Kevin Barnes)
Subject: BILLS 23 FISH 12
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:42:58 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta
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The title says i t
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From: tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey)
Subject: Re: Vikes KILL the Pack
Keywords: Vikes win, the Pack LOSES
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 21:03:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.183521.26825@bmw.mayo.edu> bergerson@mayo.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec28.164838.1556@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, tkelsey@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (todd.p.kelsey) writes:
>->In article <Bzy1vn.Evy@ns1.nodak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ) writes:
>->>After the Pack beat up on some teams without the super pass
>->>rush which the Vikes have, *some* of the Pack fans went into
>->>orgasm and started belittling the Vikes.  Ofcourse, this is
	[... rest of discussion deleted ...]
>->
>->
>->What???  The Packers beat Philadelphia, Houston, and Pittsburgh this
>->year.  All of these teams have a pass rush equal to (or better) than
>->the Vikings.  In fact, the Packers were 3-2 vs. playoff teams this
>->year, with the only 2 losses to the Vikings.
>->
>->
>->-Todd
>->
>Pittsburgh has a pass rush??!!  You could have fooled me.
>
>NONE of these teams has a pass rush equal to the Vikings.
>Pittsburgh does not belong on this list.
>Neither does Houston.
>Philly has Reggie White and Clyde Simmons, two of the best, but overall
>the Vikings are better.
>

Your seeing the NFL through purple glasses if you think Philadelphia
and Houston's pass rushes aren't as good as the Vikings.  This isn't
to say that the Vikings don't have an outstanding pass rush.  The point
of my original post is that the Packers have faced teams with excellent
pass rushes before and have done just fine.  The Vikings rush was
not the reason why they won yesterday (they only had one sack).  It 
was their ability to stop the run and the Packers inability to stop
anything that provided the outcome.

-Todd
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: total yards from scrimmage
Date: 21 Dec 92 19:25:07 GMT
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Organization: University of Pennsylvania



Along these lines, I wonder just how much yards (rushing) means 
in the NFL these days.  I heard yesterday that the Seahawks' RB
is approaching 1000 yards.  But how many of these yards are "real"
and how many were given up by an defense after thay had a comfortable
lead?

I am starting to have more respect for the Hawks O line, they did a
reasonable job of protecting Gelbaugh.  Unfortunately, Stan wasn't able
to make anything of it.  The fumble inside the Denver 20 on their next
to last drive was heartbreaking!

satish nair
giants (6-10 in '92)
From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Vikes/Packers fans II  (was Re: Vikes KILL the Pack)
Date: 29 Dec 92 00:27:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Dec29.002710.19029
Distribution: usa
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman

In article <1992Dec28.162628.28595@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	) writes:
>In article <1hn83kINNj33@uwm.edu>, caeser@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Robert Michael Trotter) writes...
>
>>>The way I got it figured, the score is at least 7-0 in Packer fan's 
>>>favor as far as showing class goes.
>>>
>>	Again, please tdont generalize us all. I am a PROUD Vikings
>>	fan and I am also congradulate the Packers on a fine season.
>
>There is no generalization my statement above.  I'm still waiting for 
>a Vikings fan to tell the people posting Packer anti-woofs to knock it 
>off or for an apology from someone for all the generalizations about 
>Packer fans.
> 
>JGH

But, John, there *is* generalization in your statement.  You are grouping the
fans from each team and ranking the two groups according to class.  What Mark
is asking (I think, please correct me if I'm wrong) and what I am asking is 
that you instead treat individual posters accordingly.  If you have a problem
with what one person says, then respond to it and be as critical of that post
as you feel is necessary.  But please don't ask Vikes fans who didn't post
what you are criticizing to apologize for those who did... this is *exactly*
what is wrong with generalization -- you're asking us to be responsible for
everyone else who is a fan of our team.  If you choose to apologize for your
fellow Packer fans, that's great, but you shouldn't expect everyone to do
so, and you shouldn't criticize those who don't.

Jim 
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