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From: krishnav@bach.naspac.tc.faa.gov (krishnav)
Newsgroups: misc.test
Subject: test from bach with new inews
Date: 22 Dec 1992 21:51:42 GMT
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test from bach with new inews
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From: richardb@blackhole.ind.trw.com (Richard Brehove)
Subject: Richard's test
Organization: TRW Information Networks Programs, Carson C.A. USA
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:10:31 GMT

This is a test. Please don't ignore, but rather reply.
Thanks

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From: david.clark@analog.com
Subject: WHAT TEST???!!!!
Originator: dclark@borg
Organization: Analog Devices, Inc.
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 19:41:45 GMT


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Subject: Will this work?
Date: 29 Dec 92 04:50:59 GMT
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Welp, wanna see whether or not this anonymous posting stuff works.

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Newsgroups: misc.headlines,alt.news-media
Subject: Re: Princess Diana, Somalia, NY Times, history
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 22:15:29 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

dgillmor@msen.com (Dan Gillmor) writes:

> Greg Gross (galan@netlink.cts.com) wrote:
> 
> : I was around during that period when we went through the process of 
> : changing from being addressed as Negro to black. If you're trying to 
> : suggest that the reason this happened is because some loose cabal of 
> : white news editors said so, you're about to be thrown out for having been 
> : caught *WAY* off base.
> 
> : That semantic change was one that worked from the inside-out.  For the 
> : first time in our history in this country, we were addressing ourselves 
> : by the term of our own choice. Newspapers gradually, even reluctantly, 
> : recognized this and acknowledged our basic right to be addressed as we 
> : choose to be addressed.
> : G.
> 
> What's the thinking at your paper these days? We just published results of
> a survey showing that younger blacks prefer the term "African-American"
> while older folks prefer "black." I don't know whether we're going to
> change our style or not.
> 
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> Detroit Free Press                               CompuServe: 73240,334
> 321 W. Lafayette                                 Voice: 313-222-6659
> Detroit, MI 48226                                Fax: 313-222-5981


Dan:

We haven't taken a formal survey, but our experience is essentially the 
same as yours. For now, our style seems to be either/or, and it is not 
unusual for *both* terms to turn up in the same story. 

Recently, we shifted from the term "Hispanic" to "Latino" or "Latina," 
another style change we struggled with for a very long time. Without 
nearly as much fuss, we have already switched from "Oriental" to "Asian," 
although some of the really oldtimers still forget occasionally.
G.

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From: bashar@apres.UUCP (Joel Grossman)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.mideast,alt.conspiracy,alt.censo
Subject: Re: ARF's racist remark was:Re: Treason vs. Espionage
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 10:18:16 CST
Organization: Applied Research, Cary, Illinois

This is getting to be a battle over semantics and becoming increasingly
pointless.

The assertion that attaching a hyphenated phrase to your identity is
somehow detrimental to society has no logical basis. Because America is a 
democracy (sort of), people have the right to call themselves whatever the
hell they please. Just the same way, Arf has the right to say that for
African Americans to do that is bad.

I personally disagree. Above and beyond the fact that anyone has the
right to say what they please, the one thing about African Americans as 
a group in this country is that they did not come to America by choice.
Other immigrant groups came over with some sense of history; as slaves 
they did not. In American society, as even Arf will agree (I think), in 
order to get things done, you have to first organize yourself around like-
minded individuals. In the case of racial-ethnic groups, this has been 
systematically done. There's a cycle in America: first you're a new 
immigrant, then maybe you dabble in crime, move up a little financially,  
next generation goes to college, generation after that is well-educated, 
then starts to think of itself as purely American; de-emphasizing ethnic
backgrounds. I make no judgements on whether this is "good" or not. But
if hyphenation is so upsetting, give it time and it'll disappear.


---I may disagree vehemently with what you have to say, but I will defend
---your right to say it...

                                paraphrase of Voltaire

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From: dgillmor@msen.com (Dan Gillmor)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,alt.news-media
Subject: Re: Princess Diana, Somalia, NY Times, history
Followup-To: misc.headlines,alt.news-media
Date: 21 Dec 1992 23:54:59 GMT
Organization: Detroit Free Press
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Greg Gross (galan@netlink.cts.com) wrote:

: I was around during that period when we went through the process of 
: changing from being addressed as Negro to black. If you're trying to 
: suggest that the reason this happened is because some loose cabal of 
: white news editors said so, you're about to be thrown out for having been 
: caught *WAY* off base.

: That semantic change was one that worked from the inside-out.  For the 
: first time in our history in this country, we were addressing ourselves 
: by the term of our own choice. Newspapers gradually, even reluctantly, 
: recognized this and acknowledged our basic right to be addressed as we 
: choose to be addressed.
: G.

What's the thinking at your paper these days? We just published results of
a survey showing that younger blacks prefer the term "African-American"
while older folks prefer "black." I don't know whether we're going to
change our style or not.

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Dan Gillmor                                      Internet: dgillmor@msen.com
Detroit Free Press                               CompuServe: 73240,334
321 W. Lafayette                                 Voice: 313-222-6659
Detroit, MI 48226                                Fax: 313-222-5981
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
From: ctrcsa@iapa.uucp%mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (Chris S. Arnold)
Subject: Amy Fischer Story
Organization: FAA / Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:42:42 GMT

 
	I watched the story about Amy Fischer last night and thought I would see what everybody's opinion was on the case, especially those of you who live in the New York area.  Do you think her side of the story is really what happened?  Why didn't they give Joey B. a lie detector test or did they?  What would happen if they did find out that they were having an affair??  

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Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: RE: India and Afghanistan
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 10:13:46 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

> In article <17DEC199207482152@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov>, packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.
> > In article <BzCwyq.vr@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v122npej@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Sa
> >>running a holocaust of Nazi proportions in Kashmir for the past 3 years, bu
> > 
> > 
> > Hmm. Maybe hyperbole is just part of the culture.
> > 
> From reports I've picked up over shortwave, the situation is extremely
> serious with human rights down the drain for the Moslem population.
> The reports of extreme brutality are matched only by the lack of reports
> on the situation in this country's controlled media.
> 
> -Joe Gaut 
>  


whenever someone doesn't see prominent play given to some story of 
particular interest to *them,* someone narly automaticaly assumes that 
some sort of conspiracy is involved.

I wonder who is "controlling" the media to block publication of stories 
about Kashmir...? This is ridiculous, but I know such suggestions will 
continue, almost invariably made by people who don't have even half a 
clue about how story decisions are made, or how stories are obtained in 
the first place.
G.

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Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: RE: India and Afghanistan
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 22:11:12 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

> In article <NT05VB1w165w@netlink.cts.com>, galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
> > f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> 
> [deleted]
> 
> >> From reports I've picked up over shortwave, the situation is extremely
> >> serious with human rights down the drain for the Moslem population.
> >> The reports of extreme brutality are matched only by the lack of reports
> >> on the situation in this country's controlled media.
> >> 
> >> -Joe Gaut 
> >>  
> > 
> > 
> > whenever someone doesn't see prominent play given to some story of 
> > particular interest to *them,* someone narly automaticaly assumes that 
> > some sort of conspiracy is involved.
> > 
> > I wonder who is "controlling" the media to block publication of stories 
> > about Kashmir...? This is ridiculous, but I know such suggestions will 
> > continue, almost invariably made by people who don't have even half a 
> > clue about how story decisions are made, or how stories are obtained in 
> > the first place.
> > G.
> > 
> > --
> > Gregory Alan Gross      Welcome to life, where no good deed goes unpunished
> 
> 
> Tell them at the Kashmiri border that you are an American free lance
> journalist and see how far into the country you get.  Maybe you can do
> better than the respected journalist, whose first hand report I heard,
> who declared himself a tourist and feared for his safety if discovered
> the whole time he was there.  Stories in Kashmir are obtained a bit
> differently in Kashmir these days than in San Diego.


That stories are obtained differently in Kashmir, I have no doubt. That 
trying to obtain stories at *all* in Kashmir is difficult at best, I have 
no doubt.

what I was responding to was the suggestion that the U.S. press was 
somewhat being manipulated to disregard events in Kashmir. That's what 
goes through my mind when someone refers to a "controlled" press. the 
kind of restrictions you cite are not uncommon around the world when 
someone wants to hide something. It's a major test of ingenuity and nerve 
to break through those barriers, get to the truth and bring it out.
G.

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San Diego Union-Tribune         (619) 293-1270 (voice)
P.O. Box 191                    (619) 293-2333 (fax)
San Diego, CA 92112-4106        galan@netlink.cts.com (Internet)
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: RE: India and Afghanistan
Date: 26 Dec 92 22:09:19 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <D2qBwB1w165w@netlink.cts.com>, galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross) writes:
> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> 
>> In article <NT05VB1w165w@netlink.cts.com>, galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
>> > f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>> 
>> [deleted]
>> 
> That stories are obtained differently in Kashmir, I have no doubt. That 
> trying to obtain stories at *all* in Kashmir is difficult at best, I have 
> no doubt.
> 
> what I was responding to was the suggestion that the U.S. press was 
> somewhat being manipulated to disregard events in Kashmir. That's what 
> goes through my mind when someone refers to a "controlled" press. the 
> kind of restrictions you cite are not uncommon around the world when 
> someone wants to hide something. It's a major test of ingenuity and nerve 
> to break through those barriers, get to the truth and bring it out.
> G.
> 
> --
> Gregory Alan Gross      Welcome to life, where no good deed goes unpunished.


I certainly don't have any quarrel with your latter statement.  But I
consider the standard media fare in the US to be very much controlled.
Since this matter has been discussed at length from time to time on
this and related newsgroups, I won't rehash the matter except to make
a few observations.  Reports of events in Kashmir are very sparse indeed
even though Kashmir is a very eventful place right now.  It is an 
extreme hot spot for igniting real trouble between Moslem and Hindu
with repercussions throughout the Middle East and elsewhere.  Control
is suggested by absence of any interest, much less any news.  It is
the responsibility of our press to keep us informed and we are kept
ignorant except for the occasional morsels we can scrounge for ourselves.
It has been suggested that the subtle control we are subjected to is
a function of a news cartel with ownership tightly held in a few hands
which cooperates with government/intelligence agencies while considering
the interest of the financiers who can call the notes if they don't
get the news their way compounded by the need to hustle advertising
dollars with resultant news slants to benefit major clients.  Meanwhile
investigative reporting takes a backseat to prepackaged handouts from
government and corporations.  After all, who wants to be another Danny
Casalaro.  When a President can be assassinated in broad daylight
and major media join in the coverup for 30 years, there is something
seriously wrong with our press. Similar statements can be made with
respect to Martin Luther King, Robert F. Kennedy and the attempt
on George Wallace.  We can differ about the degree of control and
the relative importance of various causes.  But whether control is
financial or political in origin, it is still control.  This is not
to say that we don't have many dedicated people in the media working
overtime to give us the very best.  But they have one heck of an
obstacle course to run to do it.

-Joe Gaut
Newsgroups: misc.headlines,alt.news-media
From: packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer)
Subject: Re: Princess Diana, Somalia, NY Times, history
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Dept. of Independence
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 10:31:00 GMT

In article <s705VB2w165w@netlink.cts.com>, galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross) writes...
>That semantic change was one that worked from the inside-out.  For the 
>first time in our history in this country, we were addressing ourselves 
>by the term of our own choice. Newspapers gradually, even reluctantly, 


..told the white majority about it. And that's how whites came
to adopt the new usage -- through the influence of the press.
There was no other way they would have found out about it,
social contact between blacks and whites being what it was then.
And as for the "reluctance" factor, what you mean is that your
editor was just waiting for the New York Times to do it... Enjoy
the holidays, I'll be back next week to pick up the debate if
necessary.
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: RE: India and Afghanistan
Date: 21 Dec 92 15:01:32 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <NT05VB1w165w@netlink.cts.com>, galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross) writes:
> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

[deleted]

>> From reports I've picked up over shortwave, the situation is extremely
>> serious with human rights down the drain for the Moslem population.
>> The reports of extreme brutality are matched only by the lack of reports
>> on the situation in this country's controlled media.
>> 
>> -Joe Gaut 
>>  
> 
> 
> whenever someone doesn't see prominent play given to some story of 
> particular interest to *them,* someone narly automaticaly assumes that 
> some sort of conspiracy is involved.
> 
> I wonder who is "controlling" the media to block publication of stories 
> about Kashmir...? This is ridiculous, but I know such suggestions will 
> continue, almost invariably made by people who don't have even half a 
> clue about how story decisions are made, or how stories are obtained in 
> the first place.
> G.
> 
> --
> Gregory Alan Gross      Welcome to life, where no good deed goes unpunished.


Tell them at the Kashmiri border that you are an American free lance
journalist and see how far into the country you get.  Maybe you can do
better than the respected journalist, whose first hand report I heard,
who declared himself a tourist and feared for his safety if discovered
the whole time he was there.  Stories in Kashmir are obtained a bit
differently in Kashmir these days than in San Diego.
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Subject: Re: Princess Diana, Somalia, NY Times, history
From: galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 22:19:32 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

packer@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes:

> In article <s705VB2w165w@netlink.cts.com>, galan@netlink.cts.com (Greg Gross)
> >That semantic change was one that worked from the inside-out.  For the 
> >first time in our history in this country, we were addressing ourselves 
> >by the term of our own choice. Newspapers gradually, even reluctantly, 
> 
> 
> ..told the white majority about it. And that's how whites came
> to adopt the new usage -- through the influence of the press.
> There was no other way they would have found out about it,
> social contact between blacks and whites being what it was then.
> And as for the "reluctance" factor, what you mean is that your
> editor was just waiting for the New York Times to do it... Enjoy
> the holidays, I'll be back next week to pick up the debate if
> necessary. 
> 


I don't know about where you live, but in Louisiana and Northern 
California, where I was while this change was taking place, there was 
plenty enough social contact among blacks and whites for whites to grasp 
that a change in nomenclature was underway. 

Perhaps some whites in Moscow, Idaho or Kalispell, MT learned of it 
through their local newspapers (or some other equally distant and 
sparesely populated regions where few blacks live, if any). Anywhere 
else, if whites needed newspapers to inform them of this change, then 
they just weren't paying attention to what was happening around them.

But then, there's nothing new there, either.

Bottom line, when it comes to trends or developments in racial matters 
inthis country, the American press neither leads nor creates. If 
anything, it spends what time it devotes to the matter at all playing a 
losing game of catch-up.

Hope your Christmas was Merry. I'll be waiting for you when you get back.
G.

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San Diego Union-Tribune         (619) 293-1270 (voice)
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From: Bob.Martin@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bob Martin)
Newsgroups: misc.headlines
Subject: Re: Amy Fischer Story
Date: 2 Jan 93 16:00:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:107/816 - The Wrong Num, Jersey City NJ

Hi, Chris. I recently got caught up in a discussion of Amy in another
conf, basically addressing the issue of what difference it makes if
Joey -did- have a relationship with her; my thesis is it makes a
big difference, particularly if she was sexually abused by her father,
as she's indicated she was (thugh she won't discuss details).
 
Here's the text from my previous post:
 
I've been following the Amy Fisher story for a while; it's
amazing how folks get riled up by her - most people seem
to think she's a spoiled-selfish slut and deserves what
she's got.
 
But it seems to me that being spoiled, selfish or a slut
is -not criminal.- And Amy, like many of the women who make
their livings in the sex industry, claims to have been
abused by her father -- and that makes for an interesting
psychodrama in terms of Joey Buttafuoco and his wife (her
vctim), Mary Jo, as proxies for her real parents. (Amy
claims she had a sexual relationship with Joey; he denies
it.)
 
If I may elaborate and speculate just a bit, and indulge myself
in what some others may term "psychobabble" --
 
Let's say that Amy's father -was- sexually abusive, in a way
that stopped somewhere short of actual intercourse, but
abusive enough to confuse and repel her, and place her "in
competition" with her mother. At 16, she meets Joey Buttafuoco,
who replaces her father - and in shooting Mary Jo, Amy is
effectively "shooting" her sexual-rival mother.
 
In this context, Amy's act makes a certain amount of twisted
sense. It doesn't excuse the act, but IMHO, especially
considering that she is a minor, it expands the culpability
to other parties, Joey Buttafuoco in particular.
 
This is entirely dependent on whether Amy is being truthful
about her relationship with Joey. And I am inclined to believe
her - the idea that she just went nutso over the lardy Italian,
with no encouragement from him, and then took it upon herself
to shoot his wife seems incomprehensible, particularly since
she has no history of being obssessive (as did Caroline
Warmus) or violent.

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