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From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Subject: Re: best age to bread a female husky
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:38:09 GMT

In article <6753@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com> yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille) writes:
>>>Thank you.
>And as far as "kicking the idea around", isn't what everyone does before
>getting serious about something or do you always instantly come up with a
>perect plan to implement whatever you are considering to do???

	Well, yes and no.  Generally the time to "kick around the idea" of
becoming a dog breeder is before you even have a dog.  Breeding dogs well
and responsibly requires an incrediable amount of planning.  I have a 6
month old puppy that I will breed (assuming she checks out health-wise and
continues growing up into the beautiful adult she is promising me she'll
be) when she is over 2 years of age.  I have been planning the purchase of
her for the last four years -- long before she was even planned by her own
breeder.  I reserached pedigrees and learned about showing, handling,
training, and working Labradors (although, trust me, there is still a TON
to learn!).  I made contacts in the fancy.  I joined clubs and worked hard
to earn respect from my fellow fanciers.  I got another dog and started
working with him to learn what I was doing.  Then  I decided on the dam
that I wanted a puppy from.  I waited two years for the right litter from
her.  Then I picked out my girl and then the real wait begins -- waiting to
see if she will be good enough to breed.  For me to breed her, she has to
be a good conformation dog, trainable, birdy, and have a great temperament.
She also has to have good health checks, meaning that she is free from
joint abnormalities and eye problems.  In the meantime, I have to start
studying her pedigree and those of potential stud dogs to make some
decisions about who I will breed her to so that when the time comes I am
prepared and not tempted to make a split second decision that I will later
regret.

	So, yes, I can see a time when you are going to "kick around the
idea" of breeding a litter of puppies.  But, if you already have the bitch
and stud chosen when you are kicking around that idea, then I think you are
going about it all wrong.

	Again, this is creating life we are talking about and I think that
should be taken very, very seriously.



--
Liza Lee Miller         My dogs are labradorable!     liza@pangea.stanford.edu
Cibola Labradors            Field * Show * Fun                    415/326-5309
Cibola's Misty Mountain Hop--Hopper                   Mistypoint Kashmir--Kash
	            Campbellcroft Cibola Rosette -- Rosie
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: IAMS dog food
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:27:40 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <180888INNmek@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S.
Hlabse) writes:
>My vet recommended changing my dog's diet because he is
>a little overweight.  I started him on Science diet and
>he didn't much care for it.  I changed  it according to
>my vet's instructions.  I have changed dog food again -
>this time to IAMS.  He likes this brand but he now has
>lose stools.  
>1)  Is it the IAMS food?

Probably. If your dog has a chronic diarrhea or colitis, the food is
aggravating the situation. Rest his digestive tract for 24-48 hours (ie. NO
FOOD) but be sure he has adequate water.
>
>2)  What brand of dog food would be better?  I've
>    tried Bil Jack and he doesn't like it at all.

What are the major ingredients and fat content of the IAMS variety you were
feeding? Your dog may be having a reaction to soy or wheat or chicken or
poultry by-products...or, most likely, a high fat content. Anything greater
than 10-12%, IMHO, is asking for stomach upsets. Eukanuba, especially, is much
too high in fat and protein for the average adult dog...of any breed.
>
>3)  Would adding rice or a vegetable to the food
>    help?

Best not to start mixing your own, but find a good quality food that the dog
will eat and will utilize well. I've had excellent results with the lamb/rice
 foods, especially those from Nutro, Nature's Receipe, and Sensible Choice
made by the folks who make Wayne dog food. These foods have a lower protein
count (22-25%) and lower fat. The dog receives most of his protein from
highly-digestible meat (lamb) and vegetable (rice). Before saying the dog
won't eat it, feed him the new food for at least week. Especially if he needs
to shed a few pounds, a few days without "acceptable" food may just change his
mind, if he is hungry enough. Don't change foods too often (and never under
the black-mailing tactics that our canine buddies develop early in life!), or
you will be encouraging a finicky eating habit...and probably loose stools, as
well.

Good luck!

Marget Johnson


--
From: dittwil@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Dittmann)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Put Your Thinking Caps On!
Date: 5 Sep 92 04:13:05 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Sep2.192849.4992@sequent.com>, schalene@sequent.com (Schalene
Dagutis) writes:
>I'm helping my breed club put together a list of questions that people
>should ask themselves before getting a dog.  I've come up with a few
>but got such great assistance in my "what questions to ask a breeder"
>question that I thought I'd try again.
>
>Do you get the dog for someone as a present?
>
>etc.
>
>schalene
how much room in your home and on your property can you give specificlay for
the dog.
 
how much time can you give to the dog.
 
how far are you from an area suitable for exercising your dog. (breed
dependant)

William Dittmann
Dittwil@bbs1984.chi.il.us
Dittwil@elof.iit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: djg@cray.com (Dennis Guldan)
Subject: Re: Flat-coated retriever info wanted
Summary: Flat Coated Retriever Society Info
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:38:11 CDT

In article <1992Sep5.145116.17063@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux) writes:
> Gentle netters:
> 
> 	Wouldn't you know it; just as soon as the thread on flat-coated
> retrievers unravels into extinction, I want the information.  I did follow the
> discussion, but didn't save anything and would like to show a couple of friends
> who are looking into the breed.  Would whomever posted the descriptions and
> list of breeders be so kind as to mail me?  These friends claim that there are
> only 2 breeders in the United States; I find that hard to believe.
> 
> Awaiting edification,
> Katie

  If you want information on Flat Coated Retrievers why not ask the
Flat Coated Retriever Society at 15318 Vinola Place, Montverde, FL
34756. They ask only that you send them a SASE. I sent to them and
got litter dates and contact people, along with info on the breed.
Good Luck.


   Dennis Guldan
   Bird Dog News
From: jodi@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jodi Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Autoimmune Anemia
Date: 9 Sep 92 15:08:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA


My cocker spaniel suddenly got very sick while I was on vacation.
The housesitter rushed her to the vet, then called me. Heartsick
and scared, I drove straight through 20 hours, and by the time I got home 
Brandy had been transferred to the critical care unit at the CSU 
vet hospital. The vet there told me that she has
autoimmune hemalytic anemia (the intravascular form).
This is a very serious disease in which the dog makes antibodies
to its own red blood cells. Normal red blood cell level is 45%,
but poor Brandy's was down to 6%. They gave her a transfusion and
are treating her with a steroid, a chemotherapy drug, and an
"experimental" drug, cyclosporin. Apparently with the cyclosporin
treatment she has about a 50-50 chance (before cyclosporin,
90% of the victims died).

She seems to be holding her own (she's alert, can walk a bit,
is not destroying her red cells as fast now) but it will still
be several days before we know if she's going to make it.

I'm very worried and scared and depressed. I've had her since
she was 6 weeks old (she's 8 years now), and can't stand the thought
of losing her. Has anyone out there had any experience with
this disease? If she survives it (and she HAS to), what are
her chances for leading a healthy life again? 


Thanks,

Jodi Peterson, Brandy's mom 
(who is finding it nearly impossible to work today)
From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Subject: Re: Spaying My dog
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Reply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)
Organization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine
Date: 15 Sep 92 20:01:06 GMT

In <1992Sep15.181236.15511@pixel.kodak.com> rhuls@liebnitz.ssd.kodak.com (Robbin Huls) writes:

>In article <2A952421.10730@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
>>Having just gone through this with my vet, this is what he had to say:
>>pretty much the earlier the better.  However, the risk of mammary
>>cancer goes up dramatically after the *second* heat.  So spaying after
>>the first heat is OK.  I've not heard of problems with peeing from
>>too-early neutering, though.

>They may have problems later with lack of bladder control, but this can
>be controlled with hormone replacement.  My GSD did not have problems
>until 13 years of age, and then the problem started rather suddenly.

This is a *general* problem with spayed bitches, and what I meant was
that I had not heard of any correlation between time of spaying and
later incontinence.

>The reason that I was given for not neutering animals earlier than 6
>months is that they are better able to stand the anethesia after that
>age.

This is not quite correct either.  Vets and vet technicians in general
are not trained to give anesthesia to very young animals, so they try
not to.  The technique is slightly different, but not more difficult.

--Cindy


--
Cindy Tittle Moore

Terrell's Chocolate Deduction--Hershe (Labrador Retriever)

The rec.pets.dogs FAQ -- all eight parts -- is available via ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu under pub/usenet/news.answers/dogs-faq/*.  There
is a mail server, email me for details.

In loving memory of Betsy: 4-10-92 to 8-19-92...
From: michael.hagerty@spacebbs.com (Michael Hagerty) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog Food
Date: 8 Sep 92 03:31:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193
Reply-To: michael.hagerty@spacebbs.com (Michael Hagerty) 


RG. From: richg@hatch.socal.com (Rich Greenberg)
RG. Subject: Re: Dog Food
RG.
RG. In article <1992Sep5.233022.3943@polari> wolflovr@polari.online.com writes:
RG. >I am looking for a good comparison for dog food.
RG.
RG. You should ask this question on rec.pets.dogs . . . .
RG. and then, DUCK.    :-))

Yeah...  Lots of different comments.  We have 5 Basset Hounds and wanted a
food with "low output".  Something on the order of "puffs of smoke"...
The best we've found is MannaPro Professional (formerly Carnation
Professional) and available only directly from the factory in pallet-sized
loads (40 lb bags).  The dogs eat it without reservation, but what won't a
Basset Hound eat?  Ours sit under our pear tree waiting for fruit to fall
into their mouths...

Regards, Mikey
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From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: I'M BAAACCCKKKKKK!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 18:48:36 GMT
Organization: Purdue University



Howdy all in net land.  You guessed it.  Ole' Marla B. is back
from that long summer without a net account.  I'm back
to spend another year of talking your computer screens off!

I'm sorry if you tried to reach me over the summer, but never
got an answer.  I'm running through the tons of e-mail I got so
you may not see much from me quite yet.  (Besides, my Sr. year
in Chemical engineering is looking like H@@@ in a bottle right now).

As soon as my modem get hooked-up (which may be a while) I'll
be on late a night again to talk to you over the net lines.

Well, now for the good news:
News FLash#1:
Wolfie my tri-color collie is now down here with me for the first
time in my college career! (Mauii my female tri-color is comming
down in a few weeks).  Not to mention we are headed for Logansport
and the Laffayette Kennel club show this comming weekend Sept 12 & 13.
Wish us luck on getting Wolfie's last two legs on his CD.  He's
rearing to go and so I'm I!

News FLash #2:  WE got a new puppy!  Her official name:
Legend's Year of Jubilee -- Juilee   
She's a sable and white rough female 4 mo. old puppy.  
She's really my mom's dog, but I'm supervising the training.  
So far she is a natural heeler.  I'm talking eyes on my mom all the
time and perfect heel posistion!  And sit and down is comming fast
and feriously to her.  Stand is not far behind!  She's going
to be a knock-out at 6 months in the Novice ring!  My mom's goal
is the youngest CD collie of all times.  (And I think she just might
make it!)  Juilee is having a ball making all the trainers in my
old obedience club mad a hornets that she's soooo bright!
HA HA!  And she loves it on top of all that! ;) HA HA HA!
So much for starting at 6 months to train.  I say Baa-Humbug!

Well, so much for talking your computer screens off, I have to
get to class -- man is this year busy!!!

Take CARE ALL!  and give your little buddies a hug for me!
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Marla Belzowski    saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf (1 leg CD) CGC TDI CERF  -- tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee  --  IT (In Training)  - 4mo. S&W collie
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: us267384@mmm.serc.3m.com (Steven M. Anastasi)
Subject: Panic attacks 
Organization: 3M - St. Paul, MN  55144-1000 US
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:31:43 GMT

When walking Saavik (our golden) she will be happily trotting by my
side and then suddenly get very distressed.  She will try to run
away.  Her head darts side to side and she checks over her
back.  I try to calm her and but she just WANTS TO GET THE HELL
OUT OF THERE.  I put my hand on her chest and her heart is 
going like a humming bird.  

The strange thing is that she only does this once in a great while.
Last week she did it on a walk with my wife.  I walked her the
next day and she did the same thing in front of the same house.

She has done this before, at  different houses and then usually for
a couple days straight.

Its almost eerie.  The first occurence last week was when a strange
man walked toward my wife and dog to pet her (I assume).  Saavik
is such a cuddly dog that she loves all pets but that time she
freaked and acted nuts trying to run away.  The man kind of frowned
like the dog had a problem and went back to whatever he was doing.
When I passed the house, the man wasn't there but Saavik still
had the panic attack.  

Last year when it happened, I didn't notice anything except an extremely
strong odor of dog poop.  I thought she was freaked by the prospect
of a 20 foot dog or something.

I think its weird.  Its nice to think that maybe Saavik detected
something amiss and was trying to warn my wife, but I don't know.
She doesn't bark - she just acts like her life is in danger.

-- 
Steve Anastasi	
smanastasi@mmm.com
St. Paul, Minnesota
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: carter@spot.Colorado.EDU (Mike Carter)
Subject: Climbing Dog -- Please Help
Keywords: german shorthair pointer climbs chain link fence
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 23:47:30 GMT


I have a German Shorthair Pointer who has fairly recently learned the ability
of climbing my chain link fence.  Just three months ago, I spent $3K to have
my yard refenced to keep her in my yard.  So, until I come up with a solution,
she spends 7 hours a day `trapped' in my kitchen or cabled in the backyard.
No flames about cabling, for the moment, I don't have a choice.

I'm looking for pointers (pun intended) from folks who have successfully
confined climbing dogs.  This dog is far too hyper to crate, although if I
had crate trained her as a puppy she could possibly stand it, live and learn.
Below is a crude, not to scale, ASCII rendition of my yard:

		_____________________________________
                |                                    |
                |                                    |
                |                                    |
                |                                    |
                ****=============================*****

The _ and | represent 6' cedar privacy fence smooth side in which she has not
figured out how to climb/jump over _AND_ hopefully she never will.

The * represent the `returns' of the fence which we did in 6' chain link so
that the dogs could see out toward the street.  This was done entirely for
the dog's sake.  The yard is big, 90' X 70' but our older Samoyed really enjoys
running between the sides watching the action outside.

The = represent the house.

Can anyone recommend something for the returns that wouldn't allow her to 
climb that the dogs could still see through?  I've considered galvanized 
hardware cloth with 1/2" holes.  Anything else make sense?  The total length
of the returns, gates included, is less than 20' so expensive material doesn't
bother me.  I can always put privacy fence up on them but then the older dog
suffers because of the younger one's problem!

Please, no suggestions of crating, I've already addressed that and no 
suggestions of a `topped' kennel, that is already my final resort.

Thanks in advance!  I would prefer email since I am rarely able to keep up with
the rec.pets.dogs traffic.
-- 
				- Mike
				  carter@spot.Colorado.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: knapik@mdd.comm.mot.com (Jim Knapik)
Subject: Bouvier Agression
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:55:54 GMT

Recently our Bouvier has been displaying agression towards certain people,
usually non-dog people who seem to be "dominatable". She, a spayed female,
also displays agression to other dogs. She usually lunges at the "subjects"
and barks, sometimes it appears as if she will nip. (She has her mouth open).

We have taken her to puppy class and
now are working with her in off lease class. She is 18 months old,
shares the yard with a dominant Malamute, but is the only dog which sleeps
inside. 

 This behavior is of course totally unacceptable with us and we're looking 
for some advice. The trainer in class recomended a professional evaluation which
we are doing tomorrow. I would appreciate any experience with such behavior and 
practical treatment/excercises. 

Thanks


-- 
Jim Knapik
Motorola - Mobile Data Division
knapik@mdd.comm.mot.com
From: goc@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (joy.a.gochman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Pig Ears/Double Good Citizen/Whiz kid Camp
Date: 14 Sep 92 16:34:11 GMT
Organization: AT&T


Dog Snacks:(this is my ridgeback's experience your mileage may vary)
1)First came Rawhide - dog eat big sections and vomits up latter
2)Then came knuckle bones - well my knuckle head would keep chewing at these
until the bone broke or her teeth broke. When I noticed both happening i 
stopped buying them.
3)Then came compressed rawhide - first couple of times no problems,
but i guess she learned how to eat them faster because we developed
the same problem as 1).
4)Then came those microwave bones - i read that they are 100% digestable
so i thought even if she gets big chunks in her stomach no problem....
NOT. 24-48 hours after eating she threw up nice 2" pieces of this stuff.
5)Then came pig ears - so far she's had them 6 times over a 6 month
period - no problems yet.


Double Good Citizen:
On Sunday gizmo was a double good citizen she earned her
Canine Good Citizen Certificate and she donated blood to
the local vet school (Univ of Penn).

I would recommand donating blood to every one - its a everyone
wins senerio

	I win - get free tests done on my dog's blood
	dog wins - got a case of dog food
	every body wins - the blood is used 100% to help
		dogs (i.e. not on research).

Dog Whiz Kid Camp
In October i will be going to the Whiz Kid camp held in Penn.
Will any other netters be there?
-- 
					joy gochman
					mtdcb!joy
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: deaverpf@infonode.ingr.com (Paul F. Deaver)
Subject: Those pesky anal sacks
Keywords: love,my,silky,terrier
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:05:08 GMT


No matter how much exercise I give my silky terrier, he's always 
needing the kind of attention I gladly pay my Vet. to give.  I 
feed him a high nutrition, high fiber, low fat diet.  No table
scraps.  We go running regularly.  He's a happy dog.  What else
can I do?

--
Paul Deaver
deaverpf@infonode.ingr.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: gsd@unislc.uucp (Greg Dodd)
Subject: Black GSDs
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:14:06 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: How strong are Siberian Husky's ?
Keywords: Siberian Husky health problems
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:48:11 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.125443.13691@sunbim.be> jdb@sunbim.be writes:
>Hello there,
>
>I'm looking for personal experiences on this one.
>I have at home a Siberian Husky, and I'm looking for some advise.
>
>Lately, several people have found it to be there duty, to try and 
>scare me, telling me that Husky tend to die sooner, and get ill faster
>and any other bread. In fact the rumours are quite opposite: some say
>that they are as tough as a rock, others say that they are week as a baby.

Well bred, well cared for Siberians are a very healthy lot.

>
>
>What are your experiences on this? Are there special things to look out for?
>I have got 2 other dogs (a little cross-bread and a Labrador Retriever), but 
>Husky is my favourite, so I would like to give her the best possible threatement.

Feed good quality food, exercise regularly, and give lots of love and attention
and you should be fine.  Note that this advise is good for all breeds, not just
Sibs.

I have a racing sled dog team, and I know many others that have the same.  My
Sibs are all very fit and healthy.  I have friends that have Sibs that are
10yrs old and more still pulling sleds.  When the dogs are *working*, as they
were bred to do, they really shine (mentally and physically).

>
>PS We are considerated as having a moderated climate (25 degrees Celsius is hot,
>-5 degrees Celsius is bitter cold for us)
>
>
>Any experiences and advises are welcome,

Don't know what else to tell you.  E-mail me or post more specific questions if
you wish.

>
>Thanks,
>
>
>
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