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From: westr@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Robert _FinnAgain_ West)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Sony clones
Date: 23 Jul 92 23:31:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

I purchased a KDH-170 (Yashica) == Sony V801 from Lewis & Clark video
about two months ago. It was more expensive than the 801 because (as I
hear) the 801 is being phased out because of its TTL focusing
complaints. I don't want to get into an argument about the benefits
between IR and TTL focusing, but the Yashica claims to have superior
optics (i.e. the lens is made by Yashica) which is supposed to improve
the autofocus. I myself (on those infrequent occasions when I use
autofocus) prefer the TTL method, simply because I have had problems
with IR methods in direct sun. The Yashica also has the option of
being purchased with a supplementary warranty: 3 years as opposed to
Sony's 90 minutes (or whatever). It is a one-year "no-fault" and 2
additional year service warranty. In other words, you can drop the
camera the first year and get it replaced. 
	I love my 170 -- except for the cheesy graphics on the casing
itself... It says "Hi8 Finemovie" What the hell is Finemovie? Sigh...
Poor marketing I suppose.
	Hope this helps.

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From: Eric T. Jue <etjue@lbl.gov>
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Camera World: A Good Experience
Date: 27 Jul 1992 17:54:18 GMT
Organization: LBL
Distribution: world
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I have had very good experiences with Camera World of Oregon.  They have
the best prices and are authorized US dealers.  I bought a Sony MDP-333
there for only $389 including shipping and handling and full US warranty.
 I highly recommend calling them first for the best prices.
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: sweet@adobe.com (Dick Sweet)
Subject: Re: Any thoughts on the Canon L1?
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 21:16:23 GMT

In article <22573@oasys.dt.navy.mil> goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg) writes:
   (concerning the Canon L1)
>                            ... It has a bit of weight to it and is 
>held in front, not on the shoulder.  It has two channel AFM stereo, 
>but to my knowledge no PCM stereo nor RC time code. I have seen images 
>from the A1 digital and they are very good - for a single chip camera.  

I can confirm that the L1 has neither PCM anything nor RC time codes.

Bogen makes a rather nice shoulder brace with an angled accessory bracket
that fits the L1 quite nicely.  The angled bracket pushes the camera out
further and further to the left so that the eyepiece is in just about the
right place for (at least right eye) viewing.

It's no Steadycam, but I have used it to take some quite acceptable hand-
held shots with the L1.  There is a tripod socket on the bottom of it,
but the balance is all wrong to attach the whole business to a tripod.  The
attachment to the camera is a bit minimal (just a 1/4 inch screw) and I
had to use a "washer" since the screw is longer than the depth of the 
socket on the L1.

I've tried the same shoulder bracket with the Sony V801 and the eyepiece
comfortably falls approximately 1 inch inside my eyeball.  This is with
the viewfinder slid all the way forward.  I can't imagine wanting to slide
it any further back.  Does anybody know if a shoulder bracket that works
with the 801 (or presumably any Sony camera of that shape)?

Dick Sweet

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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: aq456@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Terry Quinn)
Subject: Building a Hi8 compatible system
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 02:46:24 GMT


If you'll bear with my ignorance, I have some basic questions that 
I hope some of you can help me with.  I've captured and read all 
the current messages in this newsgroup, and they have been of some 
help. 
 
I recently purchased a Nikon VN-750 Hi8 camcorder (a branded Sony 
TR-101).  Up until now, I have been using a Sony BMC-110 Betamovie 
(that's right, folks, the original camcorder).  I've used a 
SuperBeta VCR, and purchased a cheapie VHS deck for renting pre-
recorded movies. 
 
While I originally planned to edit my Hi8 sequences to the 
SuperBeta deck, I am now having second thoughts about permanently 
losing picture quality and stereo.
 
An alternative is to buy a stereo TV or receiver/monitor, and some 
type of new VCR.  My goal is to buy a VCR capable of handling the 
resolution, Hi-Fi stereo, and editing signals created by my new 
camera.  As for the display unit, I would like to have the ability 
to display all of that resolution on the TV, but if that is not 
possible (without buying some specialty high end system) I would 
settle for something with S-video inputs, etc. 
 
Which leaves me with these questions (at least):
 
1.  As for the VCR, obviously I could purchase a Hi8 unit.  Does 
anyone have a particular recommendation(s).
 
2.  Has there been any advances in VHS (S-VHS?) that would capture 
the quality of the Hi8 recording?  {This would allow me to use 
that deck for rented movies}
 
3.  If the answer to 2 is yes, is the VHS deck capable of using 
the editing signals generated by the TR-101 (things like Control-L 
and Data Code, which I don't fully understand yet)?  Are there any 
drawbacks or compromises that would result from using non-
compatible systems?  As a Beta user, I am aware of some of the 
limitations of standard VHS.  Have these been overcome with new 
VHS formats?
 
4.  What would be your recommendation for a TV or monitor?
 
Thank you for your help,
Terry Quinn
tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
 
-- 
                                    Terry Quinn
                                     Germantown Hills, IL
                                      tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
                                       aq456@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: ccheng@mips.com
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: LD Player with S-Video output
Date: 30 Jul 1992 01:38:54 GMT
Organization: MIPS Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ccheng@mips.com
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I am going to buy an S-VHS TV and an S-VHS VCR. I notice that some LD players
do not have the S-video output. So would it make any difference in using players
with and without the S-video outputs?

Thanks in advance.

Leslie.



Newsgroups: rec.video
From: bladin@wam.umd.edu (Ilana J. Getz)
Subject: Re: Building a Hi8 compatible system
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:31:24 GMT

In article <22937@oasys.dt.navy.mil> goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg) writes:
>[Original posting deleted - described wish to edit from hi8 camcorder
>to another format.  Camcorder is Sony TR-101 clone.]
>
>The Sony hi8 camcorders and VCRs haave an interface called Control-L
>or LANC; stands for "local application control code."  It is a serial
>digital interface that allow machines to talk to each other.  Only drawback
>is that it does not pass frame position info, so edits will only be
>accurate to the nearest second - +/- 15 frames.  (Control -L can also
>be used for some nifty camera remotes, since it talks zoom and focus
>too.)
At the risk of starting the age-old "frame accuracy debate..."
In practice these editors are capable of edits in the 2-4 frame range.
They do this by interpolating between the one-second pulses they
receive from the decks... Sony's RME 300 allows for trimming the
triggering of the record deck for improved accuracy.
>
>I recommend an SVHS vcr for editing.  If yyou get the sony SLRV5, then
>you can hook the camcorder and eck together via control L for sychro
>editing, or put one of their controllers in between.  You can also buy
>the Future Video controller (500-800 bucks) and talk to either a sony
>or Pansonic VCR, such as the AG-1960.  Some of their contollers allow
>for time code use of frame interpolation to improve the accuracy.
>You can edit directly to hi8 using the Sony EVS-3000.

You can also edit to Hi8 with an EVS-900, Sony's older Hi8 deck. The only
thing I take issue with regarding using an SVHS deck for editing is that
you have introduced yet another format into the chain, which means you
have to keep additional tape stock, etc... Consumer Hi8 gear also has the
annoying problem of not being able to do a video insert edit.

My personal setup consists of the following:

	V5000 - source deck / camera (the TBC is a real bonus)
	RME-300 edit controller (uses control L)
	JVC JX-SV55 Edit processor - Provides wipes, fades, color correction,
				     and audio mixing.
	EVS-900 - edit deck. This deck has a jog/shuttle wheel, the EVS-3000
			     does not.

For basic cuts-only editing, this system works pretty well. Properly
maintained Hi8 tapes don't suffer from dropouts nearly as much as they
use to, either.
BTW, I'm sure some of you are thinking that the EVS-3000 has the advantage
of a TBC and Digital Noise Reduction. These are important if you are going
to use the deck for playback. My EVS-900 is used exclusively for recording,
and the V5000 has a TBC and DNR.

Dave Bittner - Steadicam JR dealer - Mac user - Rollerblader
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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Subject: GV-500 (was: Re: rent stuff for flight)
Reply-To: takahash@ntmtv.UUCP (Alan Takahashi)
Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 02:33:34 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.090330.3377@spcvxb.spc.edu> killeen@spcvxb.spc.edu (Jeff Killeen) writes:
>
>I own a Sony GV-8 which is the type of unit you refer to (the Sony models are 
>GV-8, GV-200, GV-300, GV-500).  And it is a great way to kill time when flying.

Speaking of these Sony Video Walkmans, the GV-500 is the new one.  Anyone
know what the difference is between that and the GV-300...besides the
fact that the front panel controls have changed locations... :-)

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From: interpol@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Interpol)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Opinions wanted on Pioneer CLD-990, CLD-1090
Date: 26 Jul 92 15:42:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Jul26.154238.11423
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.


Hi netters...

  I'm considering buying one of the above laserdisc players in the next month
or so, primarily due to their low prices (and the fact that they're old
models).  However, I'd like to know what others think of them, how reliable
they are, and what features each of them have.  Every place near where I live
couldn't help me, as they don't carry these models any more.

  I will summarize all responses in requested to do so.  Thanks in advance.

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From: bender@oobleck (Duke of Canterbury)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: Panasonic AG-1960 pros/cons wanted
Date: 28 Jul 92 23:49:52 GMT
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tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
: 
: In article <l712utINNhcr@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> bender@oobleck (Duke of Canterbury) writes:
: >tmkk@uiuc.edu (Khan) writes:
: >: 
: >: In article <1992Jul19.011734.7102@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> scweddel@nyx.cs.du.edu (scott weddel) writes:
: >: >
: >: >What are the Panasonic AG-1960's pros and cons?
: >: 
: >: If low cost basic cuts-only editing is your goal, the AG-1960
: >		    ^^^^^^^^^
: >: combined with a decent editing controller (like one of the FutureVideo
: >: units) is a great way to go (I have such a setup myself).
: >
: >Just a minor nit here - the deck doesn't determine whether you're going to
: >do cuts-only editing, it's the outboard video switcher (if you use one).
: 
: My understanding is that the deck(s) need to have some sort of speed
: adjustment in order to properly synch the A roll to the B for A/B roll
: edits. The AG-1960 lacks any sort of adjustment of this type, so there's
: no way to synchronize the two decks so that they both start their
: retrace at the same time. Result: glitchy edits when you try to do A/B
: rolls.
: 
: Right? Does a TBC compensate for the lack of synchronicity? If so, then
: you can add time code and use two 1960s as an A/B roll setup (assuming
: you have an edit controller capable of doing it).

The TBCs will sync up both video sources (usually to an external sync source)
so that the video fields from each deck will be (more or less) lined up with
each other.  You feed each deck's video output into a seperate TBC, then
sync both TBCs to the same sync source (external sync generator, camera,
etc...), then you can use a video switcher to do glitch-free A/B transitions
such as wipes, dissolves and falling sheep :-).  Some video switchers such
as the Panasonic WJ-MX12 and WJ-AVE5 have one or more built-in frame
synchronizers that do the synchronization for you (MX-12 only has one frame
synchronizer, and takes it's sync signal from the Video 2 input, so it's not
optimal).

I have used two 1960s and an AG-460 to do A/B roll "the old fashioned way" -
I create an A roll and a B roll, each of which has enough stable video for
the duration of the complete mix/section/shot/whatever, and set both rolls
rolling, and use the switcher to do the A/B transitions manually.  Now that
I have SMPTE LTC and a Toaster, I have no money left to buy a good
dual-channel TBC :-( so I haven't been able to automate the process yet.  I
DO have a slightly used WJ-MX12 in almost pristine condition for sale,
however, if anyone is interested...

mike

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Newsgroups: rec.video
From: Jim Cook <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Subject: Re: Sony SLV-R5UC Replacement?
Reply-To: <J.Cook@ENS.Prime.COM>
Organization: Prime Computer, Inc.
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 16:26:15 GMT

In article <l6e70pINNnf@mtha.usc.edu> engwall@mtha.usc.edu (Ralph Engwall)
writes:
>   I had heard a while back that Sony would soon be coming out with a
>replacement for it's SLV-R5UC S-VHS Deck.  Does anybody know any more 
>about this?

One person either posted or emailed me (sorry, I forget who) that the SLV-R7
exists in Japan, but Sony has no plans to import it this year given the price
point and low demand for expensive SVHS equipment.

I, too, would like to see an SLV-R7.  I would also like to see a Canon A1
with Sony's RC timecode added.

Jim

From: teoallan@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Allan TEO)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:42:02 GMT
Subject: Want VCRs with optical input
Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server
Newsgroups: rec.video

Hi ,
 Is there a vcr with PCM recording capabilities
 such that I can record CD via an optical
 cable?

 I understand that in JAPAN many s-vhs
 vcrs with Broadcast satellites have
 this capability.. what models exist
 in the USA and what are their cost?

 Regds
 Allan
From: rdemarti@PICA.ARMY.MIL (Ralph DeMartino, CCAC-LAD)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Anyone notice incompatability between SVHS and 8mm?
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:32:36 GMT
Organization: The Internet

I generally don't do this often, but by chance I time shifted a movie
from cable onto SVHS 6 hour speed and made a copy to an 8mm palmcorder
so I could watch it while on vacation.  Well, when I played it back I
noticed an up/down (vertical) pale rainbow color line running down the middle
of the picture.  Sort of like the color transition you get between stopping
and starting a VHS tape when knocking out commercials to make a copy of
a program.  The color line is stable and does not move.  As the picture
moves through it the picture content is black and white while "under" the
pale color rainbow line.  Is this typical of such format conversions?  The
SVHS and 8 mm equipment works fine when making orignal recordings from cable
or laser discs so I think it checks out OK.  And the line shows up on all my
different TV's.  My feeling is that the color line represents a type of
scan/tape speed frequency chopping taking place.  When using SVHS
on the 2 hour speed, there is no problems.  I have not attempted to see if
regular VHS 6 hour speed causes the same problem when coping to 8mm, yet.
I am using the 2 hour speed on the 8 mm in all cases.  Going from 8 mm 2 hour
to SVHS 6 or 2 hour works fine, as does 8 mm to reg VHS.  Only the SVHS 6 hour
to 8 mm 2 hour exhibits the color line.

Rdemarti@pica.army.mil
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: peterwu@microsoft.com (Peter Wu)
Subject: Does "video stablizer" work?
Date: 24 Jul 92 07:22:32 GMT
Organization: mc
Distribution: usa

Many mail order places advertise a $50 box to remove copy protection from
video tapes (the kind that goes dark and bright and dark ...).

Does anyone know what's in the box and how well it works?
If it's just a zener diode or something equally simple, I'd rather not
pay $50 for it.
From: bobali@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: rent stuff for flight/bring your own
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:25:08 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Recently I went on vacation with my family to California from Nova Scotia,
Canada (About 6 hours flying time).  Since I was taking my Sony V-101 (Hi8 
video camera) and own a Sony FLD-330 (Mini LCD TV) I recorded/copied some
movies onto Hi8 thus while on the flight by a simple hook up from camera
output to input of TV (A/V inputs) was able to enjoy several hours of custom
made video entertainment.

I was flying on Air Canada from Halifax to Toronto to San Fransisco.  They had
no problem with the use (passengers) of this equipment nor did they have any
objections to just using a mini TV (I read that American Airlines scorn at
this).

Just a note of interest:  The strongest station I received on the mini TV
flying from Toronto to San Fran was "The Home Shopping Network" (Lots of
entertainment value there!!....  NOT!!!!!) and now that phones are available
on airplanes, God help us!

Later...

          - Bob A.
From: tyager@maxx.UUCP (Tom Yager)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: Re: * What kind of VCR will do single frame recording?
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:16:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Hampshire Public Access UNIX

In article <1992Jul20.141045.1917@njitgw.njit.edu>, meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman) writes:
> Howdy,
> 	I'm looking for a VCR (preferably S-VHS for now) which will do
> single frame recording. Perhaps in the format of:
> 
> Any suggestions? I'm not looking to spend $10,000 (AAAAhHHHH!)..more
> like the $1000-$2000 price range. Thanx.
> 
> =============================== Mike Gaines ============================
> ========================== meg5184@hertz.njit.edu ======================

The world would be a much nicer place if you could get what you want. That
I'm aware, the least you can spend for a single frame-capable deck is around
$6000. The Panasonic AG-7750 (S-VHS) is my personal favorite, but Sony also
has a new Hi8 deck that's supposed to handle what you want. Knowing what I
know about Hi8's durability during repeated edits (which is what animation
entails), however, I can't recommend it.

Of course, once you've found the deck, you'll need all the stuff that goes
with it. Unless you're really resourceful, you can't just plug the thing into
your PC's serial port and have at it. The Sony Hi8 deck is about as close
as you can get to that.

Good luck.
(ty)
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From: yzhang@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yinong Zhang)
Newsgroups: rec.video
Subject: $975 for a TR81?
Date: 26 Jul 92 04:00:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

Hi,

     I plan to buy a camcorder next month. Which one to buy? TR81 or a cheaper
TR71? I am a still photographer and not very interested in video. Is  Hi-8
format much better than the non Hi-8? I mean the picture quality on an ordinary
TV. I got a offer from New York Photographic Equipment International, a dealer
selling photo equip to overseas, of $975 including shiping cost and tax for
TR81. Is this a good price? I know the company well and it is very reliable.

         Thank you.

Chang
Newsgroups: rec.video
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: LD Clubs : Quality?
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 03:51:42 GMT

In article <5011@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes:
>: "Can you place me on positive response".   She sounded just a bit
>: surprised, but said "yes".

>When I asked them to put me on positive response the woman on the 
>phone said she couldn't do it.  I said that I would cancel my
>membership, and she *still* said she couldn't switch me to
>positive response.  So I cancelled.  
>   They stupidly lost a customer because they wouldn't switch me.

Boy - talk about weird companies.   They didn't say anything to
me, and went ahead and did it.

To lose a customer over that is pretty foolish IMO.

Anyone else had this problem?

-- 
Bill Vermillion - bill.vermillion@oau.org
                - bill@bilver.uucp 
                - ..!{peora|ge-dab|tous|tarpit}!bilver!bill

Newsgroups: rec.video
From: dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam)
Subject: Re: Sony Beta
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 08:09:51 GMT
Organization: Panix, (New Yawk City)

In <1992Jul25.010508.10149@bilver.uucp> bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion) writes:
>I have NOT tried - but I understand the BetaCam standard tape -
>not the metal - makes a superior tape for regular Beta.  Anyone
>care to verify that.  >Bill

	SURE.  I posted to this effect some months back when I found myself
the proud owner of a large stack of once-recorded BetaCam cassettes, most
of them Scotch 20s.  Some Sony 20s, and only a couple of 30s.  Ive used
a fair number of these for SuperBeta recordings as well as SHB-SB1
recordings, and in all cases excellent results.  I believe that the Sony
BetaCam tapes are a bit better than the Scotch.  Anyway I also received
a couple of the METAL tapes and those I cannot use on my SLHF1000.

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