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From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:16:35 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <BuE0pM.AHv@agora.rain.com> hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:
>In article <92254.144019TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu> TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu (Sime) writes:
>
	[Prince of Darkness and They Live discussion deleted to conserve
		space]
>>Both were a little cheesy, but still great "B" films.
>>Of course, Halloween was his best.  I even like the various sequels to it,
>>although I hope he ends them after the next film. (By the way, I don't
>>count 3 as a sequel to Halloween,and neither should anyone with half a brain).
>
>Amen to that!  I have found people that even like part three.  Why?  I'm not
>sure.  I agree the sequels were entertaining in a Freddy Kruger sort of way,
>and I hope it does end after six.  However, I believe Carpenter was only 
>involved in the first three.  1 - Directed, Screenplay, and music/2 - 
>co-produced, co-screenwrite, co-music/ 3 - co-produced & co-music.
>>
>>The Thing was a good movie, one of the few in which the ending isn't really
>>happy happy joy joy, that I really liked.  Spooky too.
>
>Yeah, kind of victory with defeat feel.  Excellent touch.
>
>				-Casey Hopkins
>				hopkins@agora.rain.com

	Hey!  I like Halloween 3!  That's probably because I hate the whole
pseudo-immortal psycho slasher shtick, even if Carpenter started it with
style.  I think 3 should have been entitled "Season of the Witch", but I
guess Carpenter or whoever was in charge decided it would get a bigger draw
under the Halloween Moniker.  I think they were somewhat misleading.  I
distinctly recall very vague commercials for the film.  Apparently, they 
didn't want anyone to know it didn't feature Mikey Myers until the last minute.
	BTW, does anyone know about a "Thing" sequel?  Dark Horse comics has
been doing sequels, and in the past they've had a hand at getting sequel info
before the public (Predator 2, Alien 3, Terminator 2, and unfortunately
Robocops 2 and 3).  I've heard that a sequel is in the works, tho I don't know
if Carpenter is involved.  Does anyone else have any info?

					Ray
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: sex and horror
From: user@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:15:23 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City



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Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: aa361@yfn.ysu.edu (Tom Puncekar)
Subject: Werewolf novels..
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:34:08 GMT


Anyone know any good books to read on werewolves? Either informative, or
fiction...anything..I don't really know were to start...If you have any
recomendations, please e-mail me...

-- 
I hate punks who play 9-Ball....
      
                         -- Eddie Felson, The Color Of Money
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From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Re: John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:09:19 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.205933.12315@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>In article <BuCp9I.HD1@agora.rain.com> hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep8.220919.16324@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>>>	My favorite Carpenter films:
>>>	Christine, The Thing, and Escape From New York.  All have excellent
>>>soundtracks as well, with Christ. and EFNY written by Carpenter himself.
>>>						IMHO,
>>>							Raymond H. Rich
>>
>>	Let us not forget Halloween.  Assault on Precinct 13 is good too.  I
>>thought his latest films Prince of Darkness and They Live were not up to par
>>with Carpenter.  Frankly, I was disappointed with both.  I have not seen the
>>latest, Memoirs of An Invisible Man, or a t.v.-movie(drama) that he did most
>>recently.  How are those?
>>	My Faves: Halloween, The Fog, The Thing, Escape From New York, &
>>	Assault On Precinct 13.  And Dark Star of course!
>>	Anyone else have a problem with Prince and They Live?
>>				-Casey Hopkins
>
>	Wow, can't believe I forgot The Fog.  Anyway, I find Halloween tolerable
>only because it started the slasher genre instead of copying it.  I'm really not
>crazy about the pseudo-immortal psycho shtick.  Prince of Darkness and They Liveseemed kind of muddled.  Both had very interesting concepts, but I think the
>scripts were weak overall.  My opinion is that they were rush jobs.  How long
>was the gap between Memoirs and his previous film?  I heard Memoirs was
>excellent.
>
>				Later,
>					Ray
Actually, I'm not sure if it was just before Memoirs or after.  I didn't get
to see it, but I know it had his wife (Adrienne Barbeau) in it.

Halloween was your typical slasher film, but it has a class of it's own, being
one of the first.  It generally seemed more interesting then the others.  As
for Prince and They Live, I agree.  I didn't mind either, I thought they were
okay.  However they were Carpenter, which threw in a little disappointment for
myself.

		Other Carpenter Films:
			Eyes of Laura Mars - 1978
			Someone's Watching Me - 1978
			Elvis - 1979 (SWM & E. is TV movies.  I've seen none 
			of these)
			Escape From New York - 1981 (Love this one!)
			Christine - 1983
			The Philadelphia Experiment - 1984
			Starman - 1984
			Black Moon Rising - 1986
			Big Trouble in Little China - 1986

			plus the above mentioned.


	-Casey Hopkins
hopkins@agora.rain.com


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From: luther@i5160e.nrl.navy.mil (Luther)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: F. Paul Wilson Novels...
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:19:12 GMT
Organization: US Naval Research Laboratory, Acoustics Division

In article <Alex.40.716140779@camp.wpic.pitt.edu> Alex@camp.wpic.pitt.edu (Alex Ferguson ) writes:
>
>There, may be others before the Keep, I'm not sure - well anyway, it was a 
>pretty good read, but he really left you hanging at the end.  What I'm 
>asking is - does anybody know if the sequel to Reprise has been written 
>yet?  If so, what is it called - is it any good?
>

The sequel to REPRISAL is called NIGHTWORLD (I think). It's due to come
out in '93 and will tie together not only THE KEEP / REBORN / REPRISAL,
but two of his other, so far unrelated, books as well: THE TOMB and
THE TOUCH. Should be quite a barnburner! (This info from the pen of
F. Paul Wilson himself.)

FYI, there were no books before THE KEEP in that sequence.

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From: cs65+@andrew.cmu.edu (Chiara Noelle Sposato)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: H.R. Giger's Alien
Date: 12 Sep 92 02:46:21 GMT
Organization: Junior, Psychology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>I was going to buy a book called "H.R. Giger's Alien" from the local comic
>book shop, but it's 40 smackers and I'm cheap.  Can anyone give me a short
>review of what's in it et cetera?  I'd just look but they sealed it up so
>you'd have to buy it to read it.
>	--MLM
  well i have never seen the book itself--though i would love too!--but
H.R.Giger is a wonderful artist whom was employed to design the alien in
Aliens--the director saw his work and they developed the alien from one
of Giger's previous paintings. recently his work has been on the album
covers of Steve Steven's "Atomic Playboys" and Danzig's new album. the
works are all monocromatic in grays. also he has designed furniture in
the same style -- whole rooms, which are utterly amazing. HBO was
showing a making of Aliens about a month ago in which they talked to
Giger about the work for the movie. 

I would really like to know as well if it is a "graphic novel" of Aliens
or a book of Giger's work.

chiara
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Re: John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 00:15:18 GMT

In article <92254.144019TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu> TJS107@psuvm.psu.edu (Sime) writes:
>I must disagree.  They Live and Prince o' Darkness were excellent (OK, maybe
>not excellent, but they both freaked me out and I'd like to see them again).
>
>They Live:  Slow start, but once you get to the sunglasses thing and understand
> what the _HELL_ is going on, it flipped me.  It reminded me of Operation:
>Mindcrime by Queensryche.  I loved it.  The fight scene twixt Rowdy Roddy and
>the large black gentleman drug on for a bit too long though.  There's some
>great lines in that movie too.  "I have come here to chew bubblegum, and kick
>ass. And I'm all outta bubblegum." Classic.
>
The problem I had was that the movie seemed too generic.  I liked the idea of
seeing the hidden enemies and hidden messages with the sunglasses, but the
acting was quite sad.  Rowdy Roddy Piper seemed fake.  Just another big dude
trying to stop the evil enemy.  It did have some interesting twists but I 
found it to be somewhat boring.

>Prince o' Darkness:  I love the communication across time thing.  He should
>have done a little more with the dream sequences:  "We are broadcasting from
>the year 199....."  That also wigged me out.  I didn't, and still don't, follow
>what the hell is going on with it, but I loved it. The end.... well, see it.
>Great freaking ending.  Couldn't have been done better (although I hate when
>you don't _really know_ what happens once and for all, but it does make for
>great endings).
>
The problem with Prince is that it was hard to understand.  When I watched it
a second time (trying to figure out why everyone enjoyed it so) I liked it a
little more.  Maybe if I watch it again it will get better.  There were to 
many unanswered questions in it (The Dream Sequence, The liquid, etc.).  It
was hard for me to get tense, when I couldn't figure out what was going on in
the first place.  

>Both were a little cheesy, but still great "B" films.
>Of course, Halloween was his best.  I even like the various sequels to it,
>although I hope he ends them after the next film. (By the way, I don't
>count 3 as a sequel to Halloween, and neither should anyone with half a brain).

Amen to that!  I have found people that even like part three.  Why?  I'm not
sure.  I agree the sequels were entertaining in a Freddy Kruger sort of way,
and I hope it does end after six.  However, I believe Carpenter was only 
involved in the first three.  1 - Directed, Screenplay, and music/2 - 
co-produced, co-screenwrite, co-music/ 3 - co-produced & co-music.
>
>The Thing was a good movie, one of the few in which the ending isn't really
>happy happy joy joy, that I really liked.  Spooky too.

Yeah, kind of victory with defeat feel.  Excellent touch.

				-Casey Hopkins
				hopkins@agora.rain.com
				i
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:59:33 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <BuCp9I.HD1@agora.rain.com> hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.220919.16324@njitgw.njit.edu> rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich) writes:
>>
>>	My favorite Carpenter films:
>>
>>	Christine, The Thing, and Escape From New York.  All have excellent
>>soundtracks as well, with Christ. and EFNY written by Carpenter himself.
>>
>>
>>						IMHO,
>>							Raymond H. Rich
>
>	Let us not forget Halloween.  Assault on Precinct 13 is good too.  I
>thought his latest films Prince of Darkness and They Live were not up to par
>with Carpenter.  Frankly, I was disappointed with both.  I have not seen the
>latest, Memoirs of An Invisible Man, or a t.v.-movie(drama) that he did most
>recently.  How are those?
>	My Faves: Halloween, The Fog, The Thing, Escape From New York, &
>	Assault On Precinct 13.  And Dark Star of course!
>
>	Anyone else have a problem with Prince and They Live?
>
>				-Casey Hopkins
>hopkins@agora.rain.com

	Wow, can't believe I forgot The Fog.  Anyway, I find Halloween tolerable
only because it started the slasher genre instead of copying it.  I'm really not
crazy about the pseudo-immortal psycho shtick.  Prince of Darkness and They Liveseemed kind of muddled.  Both had very interesting concepts, but I think the
scripts were weak overall.  My opinion is that they were rush jobs.  How long
was the gap between Memoirs and his previous film?  I heard Memoirs was
excellent.

				Later,
					Ray
Newsgroups: alt.horror,rec.arts.movies
From: crosslan@progress.COM (Adam Crossland)
Subject: Re: The Reflecting Skin - A Vampire tale???
Organization: Progress Software Corp.
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 17:13:08 GMT

virgo@metter.fmpmis.metter.com (curious vIRgO) writes:


>A friend of mine said there was a movie(shot and released to video)called
>"The Reflecting Skin", and he said it involves a female vampire. I have 
>heard of no such release,though I find it as a video listing(just not the
>video). Does anyone have any comments on this??? Seen the film??? What's
>it about??? E-mail will be most appreciated.

>curious virgo
>-- 

This film is absolutely awful.  It is beautifully filmed, but the story
and acting are pretensious, self-consious crap.  The ending will either
make you laugh out loud or weep uncontrollably.  Actually, that's not
completely true; I slammed my remote control, attempting to shut the
damn thing off to stop the agony.

It's not about anything except hurting!



--
---
Adam A. Crossland - System Administrator, Education Services, Progress Software

"I'm a GENIUS!  I want to dispute
From: reiners@iastate.edu
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: ghost stories
Summary: want info on ghost story anthologies
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:20:33 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

Could someone give me the titles of one or two good ghost story anthologies?  
Old ghost stories, that is, nothing before the 20th century.

Thanks,

Paul Reiners
<reiners@iastate.edu>
From: ov@saturn.cs.swin.oz.au (Owen Veenstra)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ladder
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:35:36 GMT
Organization: Swinburne Institute of Technology, Hawthorn, Victoria

In article <jorngh.14.716233885@dhhalden.no>, jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN) writes:
|> In article <1992Sep10.214034.202@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
|> >
|> >This newsgroup seems to be having difficulty, of late, accepting
|> >psychological horror as horror.  Hmmm... Remember that the label
|> >for the genre is the *emotion* that it's intended to evoke, not the
|> >content of the story.  
|> 
|> Yeah, and 'Jacob's Ladder' evoked a lot of those, never will I go
|> and see such a great horror film alone ! :)

   Hmmm... seems to be that the above is generalisation, and it isn't very
 appropriate.  Many films evoke strong emotion, albiet that they are
 not recient productions.  I would consider that films such as (the original)
 Dracula and Frankenstein, Lewton's "I Walked with a Zombie"... all show
 psycho horror at it's best, and it was heavily(?) discussed some weeks ago.

   I don't want to put words in your mouth, but perhaps you mean that modern
 films don't use pysho horror alot, and that since alot of the commentry is
 on those films, people seem to have forgotten that psycho horror is far
 more potent?  (Please correct me if I am wrong).

   While I haven't spent a great deal of time reciently reviewing horror flicks,
 some of my personal favs (apart from above) :-

   Cat People (the original)
   Carpenter's The Thing (intense horror based on trust and loneliness)
   The Thing from Another World
   


                                 Hope this helps
                                 Owen
   
    
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From: rsopicki@pro-amber.cts.com (Randy Sopicki)
Subject: Re: HG GIGER
Organization: ProLine [pro-amber] -- Spring Valley, Ca
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 16:41:23 PDT

Isn't it H R Giger??
From: emilio@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (emilio guzman)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Clive Barker question
Date: 14 Sep 92 15:52:13 GMT
Reply-To: emilio@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (emilio guzman)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: emilio@daisy.cc.utexas.edu

Does Clive Barker have any other movies out besides the Hellraiser Trilogy
and NightBreed.  Any information will be appreciated.

Emilio
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:39:24 EDT
From: Young Indy <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Rob McCammon's new novel

   Just wondering if anyone has the title of the new McCammon novel due out
real soon. I stopped by a bookstore and heard there is one coming out, and a
net friend also passed on to me news of a release. Anyone out there know?

                                     -Ed

   ====================================================================
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              Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
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From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster)
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ladder
Organization: Grebyn Timesharing
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:40:34 GMT

The party scene alone is sufficient for classification of the movie
as horror--if only to warn off the squeamish.  If I could collect my
favorite horror clips of all time, the party scene in "Jacob's Ladder"
would definitely be up there.

This newsgroup seems to be having difficulty, of late, accepting
psychological horror as horror.  Hmmm... Remember that the label
for the genre is the *emotion* that it's intended to evoke, not the
content of the story.  

Sorry to be didactic.  It's been a long day.

						--Fiona Webster
From: harsh@owlnet.rice.edu (Anish Harshad Masharani)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Necronomicon
Date: 14 Sep 92 20:42:11 GMT
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Sep14.184729.22589@news.uit.no>, espensk@stud.cs.uit.no (Espen Skoglund) writes:
|> 
|> There's been much talking bout Giger's Necronomicon at this group lately,
|> but does anyone out there know about a necronomicon which is NOT Gigers?
|> I heard about a "The Necronomicon"  from St.Helier: N.Spearman, 1978,
|> and I think there was some researches by a Dr.<something> there. Has anybody
|> ever seen it/heard about it?
|> 
|> Another question: What exactly is the differnce between Gigers Necronomicon
|> and Necronomicon II ?
|> 
|> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Espen Skoglund         | The North of Norway..... 
|> University of Tromsoe  |    .... the place that should not be.
|> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> 


I thought the Necronomicon was the "fictitous" book written bey the mad Arab 
something or another about the elder gods according to the man we know and 
lovecraft. Lovecraft denied the existence of the book vehemently, according to
what I've heard.

I "" fictitous because I also think that there was a book published a small bit
ago by some guy which said that it was the true Necronomicon that Lovecraft 
talked about.  I've seen it at book stores but haven't really paid much 
attention to it because it sounded like a bunch o bunk to me.


-- 
Both God and the government watch over us constantly,
	but we don't pay God taxes.

					The King of Fools
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From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Re: Jacobs Ladder
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:10:30 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.214034.202@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Webster) writes:
>The party scene alone is sufficient for classification of the movie
>as horror--if only to warn off the squeamish.  If I could collect my
>favorite horror clips of all time, the party scene in "Jacob's Ladder"
>would definitely be up there.

That scene is classic.  I agree.
>
>This newsgroup seems to be having difficulty, of late, accepting
>psychological horror as horror.  Hmmm... Remember that the label
>for the genre is the *emotion* that it's intended to evoke, not the
>content of the story.  

Well said.  It seems to be predominant in the movie biz too.  They seem to
be more into the 'shlock horror' these days while intelligent films are
getting the shaft.  Don't get me wrong, there are plenty out there.  But
the true emphasis seems to be on the gore and killer comedians.  Too many
people will cast off shows like "Jacob's Ladder" and "Silence of the Lambs"
too quickly as thrillers.  While the basic context of the stories seem
predominately horror.  Both have a seemingly indestructable monster (The
demons, and Lector) that seem superior to humans.  Interesting how people
can consider something like "Puppet Master" and "Friday the 13th 1-8" as
horror and overlook the others.
>
>Sorry to be didactic.  It's been a long day.

Quite okay.
>
>						--Fiona Webster

BTW, have any of you access to cable.  Following "Jacob's Ladder" in my
area on CMX, SHO, & TMC is a little ditty called "Jacob's Ladder - The Lost
Scenes"  which actually show some 15 minutes cut from near the end of the
film.  Interesting footage.

				-Casey Hopkins
				hopkins@agora.rain.com
From: mlm@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael McCool)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Re: Necromonicon
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:48:59 GMT
Organization: CSO Resource Center
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

One of my friends had the book that was written by the mad Arab and
all that.  It had all kinds of weird rituals and gods in it and stuff
like that.  Pretty neat but kinda freaky.
	--MLM
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From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: alt.horror
Subject: Lovecraft/Horror Magazines/Fanzines
Date: 10 Sep 92 06:24:45 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Could anyone recommend any Lovecraft fanzines, or horror magazines
and fanzines in general?  I'm looking for publications that showcase
short stories in particular, but I'd be interested in other
publications related to horror, also.  I'm aware of _Necrofile_,
but no other publications.  Subscription information would be
appreciated, also.  Please post to the net if possible, since I'm
sure other would be interested.

_Necrofile_, $10/year, critical reviews of contemporary horror
Necronomicon Press
101 Lockwood Street
West Warwick, RI 02893
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618
Newsgroups: alt.horror
From: hopkins@agora.rain.com (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Tommyknockers on ABC!
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:37:20 GMT

I'm not sure if the article I posted yesterday got through, but has anyone
heard anything about a Tommyknockers tv-movie?  This week's issue of
Entertainment Weekly lists it in it's fall forecast.  Anyone heard
anything?

BTW, it doesn't list the Stand.  Wasn't this supposed to be in fall time?

And on a side note, I scanned the new T.V. Guide, but it fails to list
either of the two.  So who knows?

			-Casey Hopkins
hopkins@agora.rain.com