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From: blp@cypress.com (Bruce Prickett/PROM)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Tandems - help from experienced riders please?
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:14:40 GMT
Organization: Cypress Semiconductor, San Jose, CA

kelvin@cs.iastate.edu says:

> Mounting the tandem is a bit of a trick for me.  My seat posts are
>   always high enough that stepping over them is no easy task.  On
>   my single bike, I always mount by stepping into the left peddle and
>   beginning to roll before swinging my leg over.  I can't do this
>   on the tandem unless I take a spin by myself before returning for
>   my stoker.  Suggestions?

I've found the easiest way to mount for me (captain) is to face
the frame from the left while holding it up myself, and then pick
my right foot up and step over the top tube so that I end up straddling it.

    Ours is a mountain tandem, with a pretty low top-tube
and stoker handlebars with HIGH bar ends. If I mount by standing
and swinging a foot over the seat, I get hung up on the rear
handle-bars. If I step over the top-tube, I find that as I pick
my foot up and step over the frame, I can lean the frame away
from me to lower the height I have to step over.

A couple of times my wife has tried to grab the frame while I did this,
thinking that I was about to drop the frame. I've had to caution her
that to touch the bike while I'm trying to straddle it is to risk
the loss of my future services for procreation ;-).

I'm glad to see more tandem discussion, we really love ours!

	Bruce Prickett
	blp@cypress.com
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From: ebrandsm@prl.philips.nl (Ewout Brandsma)
Subject: Cateye Vectra CC-7000 -- average speed?
Originator: ebrandsm@prl.philips.nl
Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:04:35 GMT

Recently I acquired a Cateye Vectra CC-7000 and while experimenting
with it discovered some strange effects of the average speed (AVS)
indicator.

At the end of a trip its value doesn't always equal trip odometer /
trip time (DST/TM). Normally it is a few tenths of a km/h lower.

Also the updates are a little strange: the AVS may decrease while
current speed is well above it (this is not only the case for the first
update after the current speed exceeded AVS).

AVS may even decrease by a few tenth after trip termination (stop
already pressed) when the mode button is pressed a few times.

For a short period (few seconds = sample period?) during a timed trip
AVS may display exactly the value 10.0, although the actual average
speed is higher.  After this short period the displayed value is ok
again.

Anyone experienced similar problems, or has an idea what causes them?
Also, does anyone know algorithm and accuracy applied for computation of
the average speed?

Ewout Brandsma (ebrandsm@prl.philips.nl)l
From: Howard.Gerber@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Howard Gerber)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Clipart
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:26:21 -0500


* Forwarded by Howard Gerber
* From : Robert Nykvist                           dated 16 Aug 92  23:10:34
* To   : Howard Gerber
* Subj.: Clipart

Hello Howard!                       8-16-92   2200 hrs

     Since you're a member of USENET and pick up rec.bicycles,
can you post this message on it for me?  Thanks!  This message
also applies to any participants of this echo.  I'll be uploading
a new set of PCX files to your BBS in the near future.  That way all
the files will be availble for FREQing too.
================================================================
                FREE BICYCLE CLIPART OFFER

     For the past year or so, I've been trying to serve as a
collection point and distribution center for bicycle clipart.
Thanks to on-line services, your BBS Howard, and a few individuals,
this collection is still growing.  As of now, I can share 83 IBM
compatible PCX files totaling over 2 megs of uncompressed clipart
with whoever can use them for their for NON-profit purposes.

     If anyone is interested in obtaining a copy of this bicycle
clipart collection, just send me some blank disks and I'll copy
the clipart collection on them, and return your disks at no charge.
Either 3 1/2 or 5 1/4 disks will do, Single side, Double side, or
High density.  Just make sure you send enough of your size disks
to fit about 2.1 megs of clipart on.

     Zipping the clipart will save disk space - if you want to go
that route.  I can zip using .ZIP , .LZH , .ARC , or .ARJ.  but can't
guarantee compatibility due to all the different versions of each
compression program.  I'm using the standard BBS zip programs.
Let me know if you want your files zipped and if so, with which one.

     I'm also seeking to add to this public collection, so if any of
you can contribute your clipart, it would be much appreciated.  Other
cyclists and bicycle clubs across the country will benefit.  Bicycle
club newsletter editors can be more creative if they have a good
choice of graphics.  Thanks!

Rob Nykvist                           Internet:  bicycler@aol.com
6275 Carol Plantation Road            AOL:       Bicycler
Lot - 6                               FidoNet:   Wheelman (1:3625/467)
Theodore,  Alabama   36582            Prodigy:   DCJG12A
(205) 653-5619 -  Voice

... Rob Nykvist - Coastal Coasters Bicycle Club - Mobile, Alabama

 * Origin: Two Wheelers  (713) 682-6508  (1:106/88)
From: jmyers@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM (Jonathan E Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Reorganization
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:37:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.

I think that the reorganization is good.  It will be nice to have fewer articles
to wade through.  

		Jon myers
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: hass@mprgate.mpr.ca (Calvin Hass (CS Shad Valley Student))
Subject: Canada Bike Trip
Keywords: canada expedition
Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 20:53:31 GMT

Does anyone know of someone who has attempted to cycle from the west
coast of Canada across the provinces or at least part of the way?  Or
of a good route to take/hazards to look out for/estimated difficulty, etc.?

Please reply via EMAIL.
Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: kristian@dwayne.uchicago.edu (Kristian Simsarian)
Subject: Dual pivot calipers (?)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Chicago
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:33:59 GMT


	What are they?  Anyone used them?  They seem to be some sort
of center pull compromise.  Are they any good?  The top-level
touring bike from Performance is equiped with them.  Any reason to have
these instead of cantilevers on a tourer?


Kristian

-- 
Kristian T. Simsarian			University of Chicago AI Laboratory
email: kristian@cs.uchicago.edu		CS Dept. Chicago, IL 60637
From: gs7413@noah.sbc.com (Bert Soto)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: using presta tubes with a Schraeder wheel
Summary: Nuts...
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:55:27 GMT
Organization: Southwestern Bell - Arkansas

In article <91APB3ZR@cc.swarthmore.edu>, stauffer@cc.swarthmore.edu (Glenn Stauffer) writes:
> In article <130@noah.sbc.com> Bert Soto, gs7413@noah.sbc.com writes:
> >You shouldn't have any problem doing this.  I didn't.  Go ahead and use 
> >the valve nut but don't tighten it down very hard.  Just make sure and 
> >check the nut periodically so you don't lose it.
> 
> When it comes to the presta valve nuts, do you need two (one inside, one
> out) or only the one on the outside?
> 
> Reason I ask is that my MB-2 wheels had two nuts - a flatted one on the
> inside and a knurled one on the outside.  I've since lost one of the 
> outside nuts and wonder whether there is a particular reason that I 
> should avoid riding without it?

I'd say in your case the outside nut is the most critical.  This nut
prevents the tube from moving withing the rim and also enables you to
air up your tires without pushing the valve into the rim (and tube)
which may cause damage to the tube.  On the other hand, the inner one 
allows the tube (base of valve) to stay in the rim which also protects it.

If you have lost the outer nut just buy a replacement presta tube.  You 
should get an outer nut with the tube.  Use it and save the tube for 
when you need it.

Later,
-- 
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Bert Soto 				Southwestern Bell Telephone
Transmission Equipment Engineering        	    Little Rock, AR
(501)373-6459  	   peiges@ark.sbc.com  	        gs7413@noah.sbc.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: pros in olympics
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 14:36:46 GMT

les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:

>stigmata@athena.mit.edu (???) writes:
>>this is my personal opinion, but i don't really think pros
>>should be allowed to ride in the olympics.

>Unfortunately, you are about 100 years late with this idea -- pros
>have been participating in nearly all olympic sports from the
>beginning.  Never mind that we call them "amateur" -- they make their
>living from participation in the sport.  In addition to these

I know, let's open the Olympics to all comers, pro or not, & do it on
a weekly basis.  With the right tv announcers, the right music, the
right change of sporting competitions, we'll have:



			World Gladiators



For those of you not within viewing range of American syndicated tv,
there's this game show called American Gladiators consisting of
relatively mortal looking contestants competing against a group of
males & females who look like hormone & steroid experiments gone mad
in a wierd collection of contrived competitions.  There is a segment
of American society who love this sort of thing.

By the way, when will tractor-pulls & monster truck races be allowed
in the Olympics?  All too soon, I fear.
-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>   bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com     (this *should* work)   <>
<>     cola-zombie <>   speaking only for myself, one of my many tricks   <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>    "We must strive to be more than we are, Lal."    <>
<>          Ootah  <>           -- Cmdr. Data, learning schmaltz          <>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Kunich typo was Re: Heart Rate...
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 22:27:46 GMT

tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
  
>I fell much better though.
   ^^^^

Maybe that skydiving lesson was worth it after all...:-)

(Damned keyboards, anyway!)


-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com                           /  <>
<>                 <>   (this *often* works)       __o      o   ,______/o  <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,  -\<,     <\   ,__/   >   <>
<>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks      O/ O  __ /__,       /    <>
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: rfriedel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Ronald J Friedel)
Subject: Re: Bottom Bracket woes
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:35:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.155001.23763@oracle.pnl.gov> d3a132@pnl.gov writes:
>In article 23999@terminator.cc.umich.edu, pauls@mudskipper.css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug12.121224.23524@cs.hw.ac.uk> sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk  
>>(Stewart Fleming) writes:
>>...
>>> The problem is this :  I wanted to get a new sealed BB fitted, so I took
>>> my old bike to the shop for fitting.  When I collected it this morning,
>>> I was told that the adjustable cup had seized in the threads and
>>> could not be removed.  Now, this might be OK, if the "mechanic" in the
>>> shop had not taken a hammer to the adjustable cup and deformed the
>>> slots where the remover tool fits.  No normal approach is ever going
>>> to shift that cup now.
>>
>>Well the most extreme solution I can think of is to machine out the cup  
>>with a power milling tool.  This is something that my shop routinely does  
>
>This is certainly the most extreme solution.  (Well, OK, so taking the
>bike to a framebuilder and having him remove the existing BB shell
>and braze in a new one is more extreme :-)).  Someone (Kingsbridge?
>Park?)  makes a BB cup remover that fits through the axle hole and
>clamps down on the inside and outside surfaces of the cup.  Friction
>between the tool and these surfaces allows you to torque on the tool
>and remove the cup.  Apply some heat - this will help to free things
>up.  You'll want to be careful not to damage the paint.  This is
>what I would try first.  Of course you'll have to find a shop
>that has one of these tools.
>
>                             __
>_________________              |        __________
>|                |_______      |       |______    |
>|         A       _______|              ______| B |
>|________________|             |       |__________|
>                             __|
>                               ^
>                               BB Cup
>
>The long skinny portion of A slides through the axle hole
>and threads into B, clamping down on the cup.  Parts A and
>B have flats on them, allowing torque (_lots_ of it) to be
>applied.
>
>
>Carl P Baker
>cp_baker@pnl.gov
>509-375-2724

You can use big nuts, bolts and lock washers for parts A and B in the
above picture.  You may need a lock nut to hold on the nut that you
are torqueing on if the cup onscrews in a counter-clockwise direction.
You can get this stuff from the average hardware store.

Ron Friedel


-- 
Ron Friedel
GeoSciences  UW-Milwaukee
rfriedel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: ericj@eskimo.celestial.com (Eric Jorgensen)
Subject: Re: Bicycle Cops on the Beat
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:25:53 GMT

m1ejb00@fed.frb.gov (Eric J. Bartelsman) writes:
> [After re-formatting the message]:
> Washington DC has just started a new program to more effectively patrol 
> neighborhoods, namely, officers on bicycles.  About 30 cops will start 
> patrolling the capital hill area of DC, as part of their ongoing community
> [...]

Great... Hehehe...Seattle's had this for years, and as far as I know, it's
working perfectly.  A lot of the officers had to re-learn how to ride safely
(grin), and they all understand what we cyclists go through on the city
streets.

> Let your mayors and police chiefs know this is a good idea and see if they
>  can start similar programs in other cities.

A bit too late for Seattle (I've lived here my entire life and have seen
officers on cycles for literally years), but now there's another metropolitan
area that could possibly set an example!  Sounds great!

 ericj@eskimo.celestial.com - "Aww...KEEP the two cents...I don't need 'em."

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
From: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com (Bob Geer)
Subject: Re: MYTH or FACT: Do bicycle helmets wear out from age?
Reply-To: bgeer@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:15:22 GMT

tlt38517@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>As an aside I
>would not take anything consumer reports says very seriously.  Especially
>when they're talking aobut bikes or bike accessories.

Why?

-- 
<> Bob `Bear' Geer <>  bgeer@beorn.sim.es.com                           /  <>
<>                 <>   (this *often* works)       __o      o   ,______/o  <>
<> Salt Lake City, <>  speaking only for myself,  -\<,     <\   ,__/   >   <>
<>          Ootah  <>  one of my many tricks      O/ O  __ /__,       /    <>
From: SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Chain Suck on Mt Bike
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:50:25 GMT

>From: alavalle@seqp4.sequoia.com (Art LaValle)
>There are a couple of widgets on the market which mount under the chainstays
>and act as a barrier (cover the space between the stays and the chainrings)
>so that the chain can't jam. Trek makes a steel plate that sells for about
>$5 and Ringle makes one that sells for as much as $40 (very trick and way
>over priced). If the Trek one doesn't fit your bike, I'd bet that with a piece
>of scrap steel, a hacksaw, and a little work on a bench grinder, you could
>easily fabricate one of these yourself (or make the Trek one fit).

this thing came on my Trek 930. the drawback is that
you have to choose between it and a kickstand, as
the kickstand is installed in the same space.

Janice

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Janice_Green@Brown.edu                 Brown University           _`\<,_
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From: markco@cabezon.uucp (Mark Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Cycle Oregon (so who will be there?)
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:03:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: cabezon.1992Aug18.160346.17192
Organization: Logic Modelling Corporation of Beaverton Oregon

In article <1992Aug17.215149.13811@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> cd674@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Susan J. Christie) writes:
>
>Here's another Cycle Oregon Rider!  My husband and I are
>numbers 13 and 14.  Fifty-eight people from our community are
>signed up to go (Corvallis, OR).  See you on the ride!
>
>Susan C.
>cd674

There are 3 of us from Logic Modeling in Beaverton, OR
riding this year. Last year I rode and (I think) was one
of the few who actually enjoyed it. You'll recognize me 
pretty easily, I'll be the one with a 6-iron strapped to 
my top tube (Red Specialized Sirrus road bike with clip-on 
aero bars, #221). 

There are golf courses in every community except Chemult 
and Prospect!! Heaven on wheels.

Say hi when you see me.

*********************************
Mark Collins
Logic Modeling Corporation.
19500 N.W. Gibbs Dr.
Beaverton, OR 97075
---------------------------------
E-mail: uunet!sequent!lauto!markco
E-mail: markco@lmc.com
*********************************
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles:20902 dc.general:1876
From: bret@tfd.COM (Bret Weinraub)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles,dc.general
Subject: MTB in DC area
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:17:02 GMT
Organization: Twenty-First Designs, Wash, DC

That's right, looking for DC-area mtn biking with a say, 2-hour
car ride.  I'll accept any info including bike paths, construction-sites
for dirt-shredding, dirt roads, trails, whackin, etc.  This includes
No. Va., and MD.

Respond by e-mail to bret@tfd.com
I'll post results and maybe we'll all learn something.
From: you@taligent.com (Lawrence You)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Heart Rate Survey: Results
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:51:08 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles
Organization: Taligent, Inc.

In article <1992Aug12.152939.13702@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM>,
jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore) wrote:
> 
> ra_novy@dal.mobil.com writes:
> 
> These numbers are very encouraging! Definitely doesn't follow the
> 220-(age in years) formula for max rate. Perhaps I don't have to
> assume that my aerobic capacity will decline at about 1 bpm/year!
> 
> Jim Moore

Actually, if you graph the data, you will notice that the variation of
BPmax(statistical) - BPmax(empirical) is about +/- 20 across the bulk of
the age spectrum, with the variation getting wider after about age 30.  I
think the data actually does show (given this limited sampling) that the
max heart rate declines steadily as a function of age.

That is, graph:
(220 - age(i)) - max(i).

I believe aerobic capacity is less a function of max heart rate than in
your fitness level.  You can have two people with the same age and same
maximum heart rate, yet one could have the same aerobic capacity as the
other at a lower pulse rate.  Training can increase this capacity such that
for a given exertion level, your pulse is lower.

There is a book that discusses the lactate system, describes how to use
your pulse to determine your training level, and also describes some
theories on how to improve endurance and power in an effective manner.  It
is interesting reading and in practice (try it out with your own heart
monitor!) it seems to hold some truth.

The book's title is "Training Lactate Pulse-Rate" by Dr. Peter Janssen,
published by Polar (makers of HRMs).  It's about $15-$20.

-Lawrence

you@taligent.com
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: My Bicycle Helmet Experience
From: lytle@noao.edu (Dyer Lytle  CCS)
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:36:57 GMT
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA

In article <1992Aug11.213506.9401@src.dec.com> sclafani@src.dec.com (Michael Sclafani) writes:

>I'd agree with you if I had the freedom to choose not to pay for the costs of
>injured, helmetless cyclists.  Those costs include direct medical costs,
>medical insurance, unemployment, lawyers, court costs, and liability insurance
>for clubs, race sponsors, and bike shops.  Your freedom to choose not to wear
>a helmet ends at my wallet.

Hmm, I know a lot of people that eat too much cholesteral, they get plugged
up arteries, they have heart attacks, I pay for this too.  Don't we need
laws regulating what people eat??

I know people who don't get enough exercise (not people in this group of
course :-)).  I pay for this too.  Don't we need laws regulating how much
exercise prople get??

Certainly hang-gliding needs to be outlawed, and what about rock climbing??
For that matter, perhaps we should also outlaw bicycling???

Of course I realize that such laws weould be almost impossible to enforce
but... (and that they are all STUPID!)

Helmet laws are a restriction of my freedom and I will fight them with
my heart and soul!  If we are going to make laws to protect people from
themselves we should certainly outlaw cigarettes, alchohol, and make
laws to deal with the things mentioned above.

Your freedom to eat junk food, not exercise, smoke, climb rocks, etc. etc.
ends at MY wallet!

Lets not all be hypocrites, OK?

 -Dyer Lytle


-- 
Dyer Lytle, National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, 602-323-4136
Internet: lytle@noao.edu        SPAN: NOAO::LYTLE (NOAO=5355)
From: BRANDT_JOBST/HP1900_01@HPLOMG.HPL.HP.COM
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Mold Release & Preservative Agents (was Re: Road tires?)
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:05:09 GMT

Paul Sery, Steve Gilbert, and Brian Radloff all complain that I take
broad endorsements of their favorite tires to task for saying
essentially that "they're better".  It may not seem odd to some who
are raised on a continuous stream of advertising claims that one
product or another is "improved", "has more power", or does any
number of things "better" without ever saying to what other product
it is being compared and most importantly, how.

I find nothing wrong with expressing opinion but just the bland,
"they handle better" doesn't convince me that the writer isn't just
joining the chorus.  Enough writers have given testimonials to one
tire or another being easier or harder to mount than another.  That's
helpful information about which one can make some judgment.  I'm not
asking for scientific tests and comparisons, personal experience is
just fine.  If you take the time to write about it you might just
try to fill in the background on what you base your conclusions so
other readers needn't take your endorsement entirely on faith.

And don't get so injured when I disagree with your contentions, it
just makes it sound like some personal failing, over which you have
no control, has been exposed... especially when rushing to the aid
of other writers.

jobst_brandt
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