HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Subject: Re: Who's gonna win it all? (was Re: Predictions)
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:32:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.184207.16681@intelhf.hf.intel.com> gregt@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Greg Tollefson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.184254.6582@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>>In article <l9njehINN3v9@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu> wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
>>>In article <1992Aug26.172948.25925@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>>>|>|
>>>|>
>>>|>Not!  Name one good beer produced in Milwaukee.
>>>|>
>>>|    How 'bout Miller? Or the much underrated Pabst? 
>>>|
>>>I'm still waiting...
>>>
>>     Oh, I suppose down south you'd rather drink Billy Beer, huh ;)
>>     I guess as long as it's not Bud or Busch it's okay.
>>
>
>      A unopened six of Billy Beer goes for about $400 now.
>
    So, I still wouldn't want to drink it. ;) I thought this was on
    taste, not value.

    --salty


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From: jerryo@pdx103 (Jerry Orleck)
Subject: Re: Bird, Jordan, Magic...
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:42:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.140055.24879@das.harvard.edu> vreddy@das.harvard.edu (Venkatesh Reddy) writes:

>But if you have to pick ONE clip of Michael at his best, I would say THAT 
>wouldn't be it... I personally would pick the same clip all the Gatorade
>commercials picked, from the 91 Championships... with the switch-of-the-hands
>lay-up.

So, if you were to pick a shot that captured the essence of Michael you pick the
one where he was showboating.  Interesting.

-- 

Jerry Orleck                                  

jerryo@ichips.intel.com
From: art30248@nusunix2.nus.sg (NG LING LING)
Subject: Re: Clippers/Knicks/Orlando trade
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:07:17 GMT

snguyen@orion.oac.uci.edu (Son Nguyen) writes:
: Since noone has mentioned it...
: 
: I saw a blurp on ESPN last night stating that the Clips will get
: Stanley Roberts and Mark Jackson, the Knicks will get *Charles Smith*,
: Doc Rivers and Bo Kimble, and the Magic will get some draft picks
: (don't remember what/when...).  I'm not sure if it's a done deal or
: just a rumor.  Anyone has more???  If it goes thru, looks like NY
: is getting the MUCH better end of the deal.  I don't know what the Clips 
: and Magic gain from this (I guess Orlando will have money for the Shaq).
: Oh well, there went the Clip's best player/low post defender (I always 
: thought Smith was a good match vs the Mailman).  I think I'll root for 
: the other L.A. team now, the Knicks :-)  Maybe Riley will now trade 
: Wilkins for a real shooting guard (no slight on Doc), how 'bout 
: Reggie Miller?  I think he would get along with Magic and Worthy just fine :-)
: 
: Son Nguyen
: Office of Academic Computing
: snguyen@uci.ed

Clips getting Roberts and Kimble ? Haven't they learnt their lesson with
Benoit Benjamin ???


Anyhow, I have always said, they mess up a good thing and they'll return
to their old selves...being the Clippers.

And how on earth is Riles ever gonna get a Reggie Miller ? What's he
gonna give up ? I mean, Miller would jump instantly, but why on earth
would the Indiana franchise give up their only (ok, maybe Detlef can
play) crowd draw ?

u
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From: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Larry Bird/retired jersey & broadcaster
Reply-To: kuras@aiag.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:30:48 GMT


Regarding the retiring of Larry Bird's jerseys, Indiana State will retire his
number this year.  Bird had asked that they not do so until after he retired
from professional basketball.  As for his Celtic jersey, it will be done some-
time this year, but no date has been announced.

Contrary to popular assumptions, it will not be done at half time of a game.
It will be a special event, separate from the game.  Season ticket holders
will have first dibs on tickets to this award & recognition ceremony.

As far as Bird becoming a broadcaster, I haven't heard any rumblings about
that.   ...don't know if Bird has any interest, as it hasn't been brought up
by the media, to the best of  my knowledge.

joe.
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Compiling List of Jordan Awards
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 17:04:51 GMT

davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:
>>davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>>lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor) writes:

    [stuff deleted]

Here we go again!

    --mack

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From: lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange)
Subject: Re: Jordan >= Magic && Bird
Organization: UCLA Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 21:32:26 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.121712.21182@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.213743.16703@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>You want Jordan's weaknesses???  3pt shooting for one.
>
>Okay, you leave him open at the 3pt arc a couple of times and see how long 
>that lasts...

Andy has a point here.  Leave Jordan open for the 3, and you can count it.

Which means that Jordan must be an incredibly stupid, ballhog of a player --
a pure 3 point shooter the likes of which the game has never seen before,
and yet he still manages to force up enough dumb, closely-guarded 3 attempts
to average a pitiful 28 % over his career...

What a revelation!  Thanks for giving us the true picture of Jordan, Andy...

- Trent Lange

-- 
*************************************************************************
*   UCLA:  More National Championships than you can shake a stick at    *
*          in a whole bunch of sports -- and academics, too!            *
*************************************************************************
From: alang@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Anthony Lang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: FIVE ALIVE
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:14:41 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Sep2.184734.2536@cc.umontreal.ca> iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
>
>Here are today's Top Five Lists from the Home Office in Montreal Canada:  
>
>5 guys who dont pass the ball:
>Dominike Wilkins 
>Terry Porter
>Armon Gilliam
>Moses Malone
>Tom Chambers
>
>5 white guys who can dunk that aren't 7"0:
>Rex Chapman
>Name 4 more if you can!!
>
What? Is this a joke. Name any white guy over 6"5 who can't dunk. Among those who can:
Frank Brickowski and all of his buddies at Milwaukee. Former Spur Tom Copa. Mullin, Bird
Thunder Dan Majerle. Chambers, McHale,...

>5 teams on the rise:
>Charlotte
>Miami
>Clippers
>New Jersey
>Orlando
They can't get much lower, although I do like Miami's chances of returning to the 
playoffs.

>
>5 teams on the downfall:
>Detroit
>Boston
>Lakers
>Portland
>I cant wait till the Bulls hit rock bottom (I hate Pippen)
>
>5 good looking guys:
>Horace Grant
>Dan Majerle
>Michael Jordan
>Larry Johnson
>Mark Price
I'll pass on this one.
t
>
>5 ugly guys:
>Scottie Pippen (in a class by himself)
>Patrick Ewing
>Dennis Rodman
>Xavier McDaniel
>Charles Barkley
>
>5 non-athletes:
>Manute Bol
>Kevin Duckworth
>Mark Eaton
>Stanley Roberts
I saw Stanley play against the Spurs last season and he looked very athletice to me
Definitely no Eaton.

>Stacey King
>
>5 nicest uniforms:
>Hornets
>Bulls
>Spurs
>Magic
>Heat
I'll give you the Spurs, but those others I'll have to think about.
>
>5 "sick" uniforms:
>Lakers
>Bullets
>Nuggets
>Pistons
>Bucks
Those Sixer uniforms were pretty ugly.

>
>5 guys of the present:
>PG: John Stockton
>SG: I wanna be like Mike
>C:  David Robinson
>SF: Charles Barkley
>PF: Kark Malone
>
>Back to the future:
>PG: Tim Hardaway
>SG: Kendall Gill
>C:  Shaq
>SF: Larry Johmson
>PF: Shawn Kemp
>
>5 guys I would invite to my house party:
>Chris Mullin     - bring the beer
>Roy Tarpley      - bring the "stuff"
>Magic Johnson    - bring the babes
>Charles Barkley  - what's a party without him?
>Anybody else know of a good party animal?
Rod Strickland, definitely.
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Compiling List of Jordan Awards
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:24:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep03.190306.18408@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>At least the other organizations derive the winners from polls.
>
>Well, TSN also uses "polls" to determine things as well.  I don't see this 
>being any worst than any of the AP/UPI "polls" that have so much support in
>college football.
OK, so it's 1 poll (TSN) vs 6 polls (AP/UPI/USBWA/NABC/Wooden/Naismith).

>>If we have to chose ONE POY in 1983, who would be the logical choice?
>>Jordan who won the TSN? or Sampson who won the AP/UPI/USBWA/NABC/Wooden/
>>Naismith?
>
>I agree, in some ways, that Sampson is probably more deserving due to the
>shear number of awards, but, like the Heismann, if their is the "one" award
>that is above all others, it doesn't really matter.  
But since your premise is not true, that the TSN award is not equivalent to 
the Heisman, then the other awards (quantity and quality) do matter. Sampson
is more deserving to be 1983 POY than Jordan. 

As far as recognition is concerned, the Naismith and the Wooden are probably 
above the TSN. Just look at the NCAA's official publication. They list the 
Heisman in football, the Wooden/Naismith in basketball, but they don't list 
the TSN.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: markts@mcl.ucsb.edu (Mark T. Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Lloyd Danielsd (was Re: Spurs Update)
Keywords: Spurs
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:56:15 GMT

In <1992Aug26.234426.19135@uwm.edu> paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) writes:
>>>
>>>I kind of hope he (Daniels)
>>>does well so his name doesn't go down in infamy as
>>>the guy with the most recruiting hype to never do diddly.
>>>
>>
>    I hope he sucks. In fact, I hope the whole team and their cheating SOB
>    of a coach sucks. Everybody talks about what a great coach Tark is, but
>    I'm not too impressed with a guy who blatantly cheats to get the best
>    players to come to his school. I don't think it's that tough to post a
>    great career W-L record when you pay the best players to come to your
>    school and you play a creampuff schedule. I'll be happy as hell to see
>    Utah stomp all over them this year.

>    --salty

Well, salty, I am glad that you are presenting such a clear, unbiased
viewpoint. In response I will give you my opinion of Utah. Although it is
a beautiful state the people are backwards and bigoted. Even though
I respect Karl Malone, I feel sorry for him. He plays before a home
crowd which perceives him as an outsider, a non-white, before they
consider him as a basketball player (as evidenced by the All - Star 
balloting in the past). So you have fun cheering along with those
"jolly good" spirited mormons as you watch your Jazz choke in the playoffs
yet again. Me? I'll be watching a young, talented team coached by a man
who loves and cares for his players. Which is the real reason behind
Tark's success.
I know this won't make you happy salty. In fact it will probably only
make you more resentful. It appears as though you are jealous of
Jerry's success for one reason or another. Perhaps you have not 
felt appreciated for any work that you have done in your life. But your
insecurity is not a good reason to derail the achievements of others.
BTW, do your fellow Utah fans know you used the words "suck" and "hell"
in the same paragraph? You're liable to lose any chance you had for
Jazz season tickets!
adios,
mark.
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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Re: Bird's 3ptr (Re: Mike)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:11:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.135359.19432@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>Hey Ed, give it a rest.  This was not a comment concerning you, just a joke
>make on your (and my) behalf.  No one wants to listen to your whining and 
>bringing things up again.   Or are we going to hear you regurgitations 
>every time I post something?
Of course not. Who cares if you posted something about Bird and Magic and MJ?
But your previous post was in the same thread as our flame war. Talking about
stopping, huh?

I knew exactly the subject of our next flame war: Boston Bias/favoritism/3ptr.
Let's see how many days you can resist before reviving it.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: REASONS WHY AUSTRALIA COULD KICK DT!
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:29:36 GMT
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems


In article 224@uniwa.uwa.edu.au, blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip) writes:
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Distribution: world
Followup-To: 
From: msw10@nepenthe.as (Michael S. Wong)
Reply-To: msw10@nepenthe.as
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Subject: Re: REASONS WHY AUSTRALIA COULD KICK DT!
Keywords: 


In article 224@uniwa.uwa.edu.au, blip@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Bryan Lip) writes:
[explanation as to why medal-less Australia's basketball team is better than the DT]
>
>AUSTRALIA ON THE OTHER HAND IS A TEAM, WHICH MANG
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^
                                        unclear on the editor/mailer concept

hee hee hee.

This one kills me.

Michael Wong
msw10@amdahl.com
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: FIVE ALIVE
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 15:05:32 GMT


This is posted for MSIMMON@VM1.CC.UAKRON.EDU

In article <BtyvvM.CIr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> on
Wed, 2 Sep 1992 20:06:56 GMT you write:

>iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
>>Here are today's Top Five Lists from the Home Office in Montreal Canada:
>>Terry Porter
>
>        Funny how Porter is supposed to be the pont guard on the Blazers,
>        yet U list him as someone who doesn't pass.  Interestingly enough,
>        however -- it was Drexler who led the team in assists this season
>        not Porter.
>
  I agree with the statement about Porter.  During the finals, it seemed he
never wanted to pass (I really only saw Drexler & Robinson pass.  Why is it
Robinson doesn't start over Williams?  I thought he played better (so did
Kersey IMO))

>        I would hardly consider the Celtics on the downfall.  Albeit
>        their frontline of McHale and Parish are old -- the base of the "new"
>        Celtics are younger players -- i.e. Lewis, Gamble, Brown, Douglas,
>        Fox, etc.  I would consider them more of a team building for the
>        future.
>
Lewis is good, and so is Brown.  I still would agree the Celts are going down
from what they were before, but may be due more to teams such as NJ and NY
coming up


>>I cant wait till the Bulls hit rock bottom (I hate Pippen)
>
>        While the Bulls may not win next season, it's going to be a while
>        before the Bulls hit "rock bottom".  Considering Jordan is 29,
>        Pippen and Grant 26 -- they should be around for awhile (as long
>        as Jordan doesn't join the PGA too early).
>
         I agree, Chicago may not 3peat (but I sure hope they do!) they are
         far from going down.  Don't forget about B.J., Scott W. (if they
         keep him), etc.  They'll need a center pretty soon, but Bill's not
         out of it yet.  And much as I hate to say it, if they got Kukoc, that
         wouldn't hurt much either.  A lot of criticism of Pippen out there.
         I happen to like him (a lot), but like him or not, you have to admit
         he's GOOD (IMO, a legit All-Star).

>        Jazzy J
>--
         Mike

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Collegian on the Dream Team 
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:36:11 GMT

rda455w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (H. Nguyen) writes:
[arguement over which collegian should have been on the Dream Team]

	Think about it guys -- did it really matter who was selected to
	play on the Dream Team from the college ranks?  It wasn't as if
	that player was going to get any significant playing time.  Just
	look at the minutes Laettner got -- even when they were winning
	by 50, he didn't play but 5-6 minutes a game.  If they had selected
	Jackson or O'Neal -- it wouldn't have been any different.

	In my opinion -- sure it was an honor to be selected to play on
	the Olympic Team -- but look what it might do to one's confidence.
	I saw Laettner throughout the entire tournament, and I NEVER saw
	him break a single smile on his face.  In fact, when they were on
	the gold medal stand and people like Magic and Barkley were so
	happy -- Laettner was standing there like he didn't really give a
	shit.  I mean, think about it.  Here was a guy who got practically
	every collegiate award, won the NCAA title twice -- and now he
	is the last guy off the bench on the Olympic team?  Kinda
	depressing...

	Jazzy J
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: Reality Check (was Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team)
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 14:47:30 GMT

bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM writes:
>Can one of the stat masters out there PLEASE dig up the numbers for Gaze and 
>Longley in the NBA

from the Elias stats (ftp-able from wuarchive.wustl.edu):

NAME              G  MIN   FG  FGA   FG%  FT FTA   FT% 3FG 3GA  ORB  TRB  
Longley,Luc      66  991  114  249  .458  53  80  .663   0   0   67  257  
                AST STL  TO BLK  PF  PTS  AVG
                 53  35  83  64 157  281  4.3

from my impeccable memory:
NAME              G
Gaze, Andrew      0


--Gidi


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From: bewillia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Maj. Devon McKnight)
Subject: Re: Memories of Magic, Larry, and Mike
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 16:47:38 EDT

	One other thing I remember about Larry... In a game at Boston Garden,
a pigeon somehow got into the building, and was flying around for a little
while.  Finally, it made its way down to the court, and wandered around for
a bit.  Of course, the crowd went absolutely insane, chanting "Larry... 
Larry... Larry..." 
	Anyway, after they chased the poor befuddled bird off the court, 
Bird proceeded to take over the game, scoring some ungodly amount of points
in a burst.  The crowd ate it up, chanting practically the whole time.  
	People talk about omens, and superstitions, and leprechauns at the
Garden... that, to me, proves that there are ghosts in that old train station,
and those ghosts knew that Larry wasn't going to be around for much longer, so
they wanted to give him an early going away present.

			- Dev



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From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Subject: Bird's 3ptr (Re: Mike)
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 04:15:40 GMT

Meeks lie #29: article #1 post stop II.

In article <1992Aug26.213908.28816@uvmark.uucp> davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>>have gotten a little hint of what Larry did on a regular basis in the 80's... A
>>>great in-your-face impossible shot that won a game on the line. Please don't
>>                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Actually Venk, he was over the line, not on it , but I'm glad that you
>>to admit it wasn't a 3.    
>>
>
>Oh no, don't tell Ed, he'll claim Venk is on his side :-)
No sweat, I know you are on my side too, based on your inability to
refute that the 3ptr was an instance of the type CFTHTTWAFAM, which
is a home job, an application to your logic.

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
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Subject: More from up over (RE: Sullivan family exploits)
From: strauss@uncavx.unca.edu
Date: 2 Sep 92 07:36:18 -0500
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
Nntp-Posting-User: strauss

I have enjoyed the exploits of the great Sullivan family, THEMSELF!
The logic is impeccable--or do I dare say, "Ozzie."

It seems some messages from down under (ok, guys, have it your way: "up over")
got "lost" and only recently were posted.  Very enjoyable, if a bit fictive,
however.

To my ozzie friends: heard any good Roo jokes lately?

Bob Strauss
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Memories of Magic, Larry, and Mike
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03:18:51 GMT

cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG) writes:
>Don't forget that shot that Larry took as he was falling out of bounds 
>from behind the backboard!!!!
	
	Unfortunately, that shot didn't count on the scoreboard.

>Or Magic's game 6(?) against Phily when he started at------center!

	This, IMHO, was one of the best performances ever by a player in
	the championship series.  Filling in for an injured Kareem, Magic
	went on to score 42 points and lead the Lakers on to victory.
	However, in Magic's success, many fail to point out the superb
	performance of teammate Jamaal Wilkes, who poured in 36 himself,
	and hit many a clutch shot.

	Jazzy J
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From: ahall@fmrco.com (Andrew Hall)
Subject: Re: Bird's 3ptr (Re: Mike)
Organization: Fidelity Management & Research Co.
	<1992Aug27.041540.22421@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>
	<1992Aug27.135359.19432@uvmark.uucp>
	<1992Aug27.151106.3799@cbnewsk.cb.att.com>
	<27AUG199220465491@misvax.mis.arizona.edu>
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:18:46 GMT

In article <27AUG199220465491@misvax.mis.arizona.edu> dolsen@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (David Olsen) writes: