From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: NUKE IRAQ REVISITED
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 00:34:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.224434.11712@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au  writes:
>In article <1992Aug6.233747.25855@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:

>|> Let's get this straight.  The Americans have a high standard of living because
>|> Saddam makes it possible.  Huh?
>
>America has a high standard of living not because of saddam, but because of a large
>collection of people like him that the US have installed around the globe to get very
>cheap raw materials and have a market (Colonialism in a modern era).

I notice that you're posting from Telecom Australia.  Do the
Australians also believe that their government was installed by the US
so that Americans could take it's cheap raw materials and have a high
standard of living at their expense?  Or is this view common primarily
among Arabs?

>|> Half a million Americans left their homes, jobs and families to wear 
>|> gas masks in the blazing Middle Eastern deserts and you think that 
>|> they did this because it's a safe way to live.  Bizarre.
>
>So what? this was nothing but a manuever that any military uses to prove equipment and
>maintain personnel upto date.

Desert Storm was merely an exercise for testing equipment.  Fantastic!
You're getting better and better.

>|> Wow!  Iraq actually fought Iran and also Kuwait on behalf of 
>|> Americans!  We are completely indebted to those iraqi warriors.
>|>
> 
>The Iraq/Iran war was fought with the blessing of both US and Soviet blessing. The
>evidence lies in the fact that the US gave saddam what ever he wanted, used what ever
>means he wanted, and when one side was losing the other side was given new supplies.

Saddam is no stooge of the Americans.  (If anything, the Reagan/Bush
team have been Saddam's stooges.)  He had his own objectives.

>Can you deny that isreal was giving Iran spare parts on behalf of the US. I use to
>share an office with an isreali. He told me that isreal used to bomb Iraq to make it
>look like Iran was doing it to keep the war alive.

Do you believe everything you hear?  (Apparently, yes...)

>|> Yeah, right.  Israel is the controlling force behind the scenes.
>|> Israel pushed America to fight for it, right?  Oh, and you 
>|> forgot to tell us about how Israel actually commanded Saddam
>|> to invade Kuwait, another story we've heard here before.
>|> 
>|> In reality, had the US not forced Israel out of the battle by refusing 
>|> to release friend-or-foe codes to the Israeli Air Force, the Israelis
>|> might have actually knocked out some of those Glorious Scud Launchers, 
>|> and maybe even gotten Mr. Saddam himself.  Of course, this is all 
>|> rather embarassing to Mr. Bush today, seeing as the Patriots may
>|> not have done anything useful at all in the end and Saddam is still
>|> in office, claiming that Kuwait will yet be his.
>
>If saadam were to be ousted, he would have been eliminated way before the Gulf war had
>started. You think this asshole would go to the front as has been shown on the news
>without getting his ass blown by his officers whom he killed so many of because they
>disagree with his policy?.

You're not making sense here.  But you weren't before, either.

>|> Your conspiracy theory view of the world blaming American Imperialism
>|> and Zionist Racism on everything wrong that Arabs do to themselves is 
>|> nothing new, but it's constant repetition doesn't make it more convincing.

>You seem to be hinding behind the racism argument like most isreali supporters. Get

Right, resurrect the old "Zionism=Racism" banners!

>this straight I am not blaming isreal as you are mixing the arguments and the facts.
>The theory is not bizzar considering the power that Iran possesed after the ousting of
>the Shah. Iran was the strongest country possibly after Isreal in the region. This
>power would have constituted a big threat towards the gulf puppets, Israel, and
>endangering the OIl supplies that American industry and western industries are
>dependant on for their economies and standard of living. The Iranian threat had to be
>eliminated. This could only done by WAR. Iraq was the only force that could do it
>because of the following reasons:
>
>1. It has the resources to buy arms and pay cash.

Actually, the US was buying them for him, it turns out.

>2. It shared a border that is a source of conflict between Iran.

It seems that most borders in the Middle East are a source of
conflict.  Pity the Israelis that have to live in such a neighborhood.

>3. Its was the only powerful arabic country that was not in direct conflict with Isreal
>and could direct all its resources to that war.

For a country not in direct conflict with Israel, they sure managed to
fly a bunch of SCUDs that way!

>Tell me one think? Why was Iraq strongly supported by the US and western powers and was
>given huge amounts of credit and cash by the Kuwaiti, Saudi, and Gulf states
>Governemnts. I am very anxious to hear your theory.

Obviously, they didn't want Iran to grow in influence too much,
certainly not after it's terrible approaches to human rights,
diplomatic immunity, terrorism and freedoms of religion and speech.  
However, none of this supports the paranoid and fanciful tale you have
spun in your last 2 posting.

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