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From: russell@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Russell Malmberg)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: RE: right-of-way
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:32:45 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens
Originator: russell@dogwood

When I took my first windsurfing lessons, no one mentioned
sailing right-of-way as a concept.  Perhaps there is just
too much to learn that first time to also teach this, but
I took 3 different lessons from 3 different instructors,
and the concept did not come up.
   [in my case I'd sailed before and was familiar with
    many of the standard sailing rules.]

    Perhaps we should suggest that beginners lessons
    include at least a hint that rules do exist
    and that the water is not completely chaotic.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:51:35 GMT

westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:


>In article <price.714834751@helios>, price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price) writes:
>|> For me, the simple fact is that with a jacket on, I become a less competent and
>|> far slower swimmer.. It just plain gets in the way. Without a jacket, I have a
>|> chance of catching a runaway board, with a jacket on, I have to wait until the
>|> board slows down.
>|> 
>|> my $0.02

>I think you need to be careful with the kinds of conclusions you draw from 
>that kind of reasoning.  Conclude sailing without a jacket is more
>convenient.  Don't conclude that sailing without a jacket is safer.

Will - I don't see where I drew a conclusion at all. I simply stated facts and
let the reader draw their own conclusion.

--
chad
price@helios.unl.edu
cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: jmarin@hobbes (Jose A. Marin)
Subject: Need more advise
Reply-To: jmarin@hobbes
Organization: NASA
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:47:00 GMT

From my previous message:
> I'm planning on buying a windsurfer and I found a used Fanatica Viper  
> (11'2") with two sails:  a Fanatica 6.2 and an Obrien 4.2.  It also > >  
> comes with the all the other necessary equipment (boom, etc.) 
> They are all in pretty good shape and its offered for $600. 
> Is this a good price?

I mispelled the brand of the board.  It's actually a Fanatic (not  
Fanatica).  I don't the year but it can't be more that two years old.  I  
don't know what type of mast or boom it has but the mastfoot is also from  
Fanatic.  I am a beginner (no waterstarts, rusty jibes) and this is my  
first board.  I know I can handle a 6.2 sail but the reason I'm getting a  
4.2 is because my wife will be using the board and I know she cannot  
handle a 6.2 sail.  From what I've heard the range of the two sails is too  
wide and the 4.2 is too small.  I am 5'6" and weight 165 lbs.  The wind  
here ranges from 5-25 knots.

Thanks in advance,

Jose Marin
jmarin@hobbes.ksc.nasa.gov
From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 00:56:24 GMT
Subject: Re: HAILS (was: Sailing Right-Of-Way)
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

>When I took my first windsurfing lessons, no one mentioned
>sailing right-of-way as a concept.  Perhaps there is just
>too much to learn that first time to also teach this, but
>I took 3 different lessons from 3 different instructors,
>and the concept did not come up.
>
>    Perhaps we should suggest that beginners lessons
>    include at least a hint that rules do exist
>    and that the water is not completely chaotic.
----------
Take lessons from a Mistral Certified school and you MUST pass a written
test to get a certificate.  At Shoreline in Mt. View CA, you must
either show this card or take a writen test to rent equipment.

I wish ALL schools operated like this.

Kirk out
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing,misc.forsale
From: des@spock.retix.com (Mondo)
Subject: Forsale : windsurfing stuff
Organization: Retix, Santa Monica CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:36:26 GMT


For sale, located in L.A.

Mistral Malibu: In excelent shape, with daggerboard, fin, mastbase
        and footstraps.  $200 obo.

KC Fiber SlalomLight Carbon Mast: One year old, used about 20 times.
        Was originally a two piece, but is now permanently jammed,
        and is now a one peice, otherwise in good shape. 
        If you have never tried a carbon mast you dont
        know what you are missing. $100 obo.

NP Boom, small size, good shape, clamp on... older style.
        $50 obo.

Alpha boom, has nautix clamp retro fitted, beat up but still
        useable.  $40.


If anyone is interested in the board, mast and alpha boom I will
throw in a nice Neil pryde 6.0 RAF sail (with alpha labeling) to
make up a complete board for a mere $50 extra, which gives
an excellent beginner board settup for a mere $390.


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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal)
Subject: Re: Discount on Northwave Sails...
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Distribution: rec.windsurfing
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 00:32:53 GMT

In article <Bto48D.MIp@mail.boi.hp.com> alien@boi.hp.com (Tom von Alten) writes:
>rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal) writes:
>: >
>: >    The Gorge sailmaker Northwave is offering discounts of up to 25%
>: >on orders of 4 or more custom sails.
>: 
>: I was wondering when the "Most Expensive Line Of Windsurfing Sails"
>: would be going on sail at *reasonable* prices.  <;^)
>
>So just how much are these babies going for, at 100% and 75%?
>When I priced them some years back (at the end of a season when everybody
>else was reducing prices and they weren't), they were already too spendy for
>me.
>_____________
>Tom von Alten           email: alien@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
>                        Hewlett-Packard Disk Memory Division

I just called Northwave to get the "real" scoop on this thing.

Northwave is offering 25% off on all *in-stock* sails when you buy 4
or more.  If you want to order sails (ie; not in stock) you will get a
15% discount when you order 4 or more.

Northwaves at retail:

            RX (slalom race sails, 4 cambers), 5.2 = $642, 5.7 = $684.
         PRX (recreational slalom, 2 cambers), 5.2 = $585, 5.7 = $605.
TLX (convertible single camber, was Tri-Lite), 4.2 = $513, 4.7 = $535.


Therefore, a quiver of 4.2 TLX, 4.7 TLX, 5.2 PRX and 5.7 PRX:
   retail = $2238.00 or $559.50 per sail
  ordered = $1902.30 or $475.58 per sail
 in stock = $1678.50 or $419.62 per sail

As a comparison, I had 6 Northwaves (3 Slaloms, 3 Tri-lites) custom
made in March 1991 at 20% off the retail price.  The cost was
$2235.00.  This years comparable quiver at the same discount would be
$2685.60.  That reflects an increase of 20% in the price of Northwave
sails this year.

-- 

>>=- Roger Christal
From: rolf@ames.ucsd.edu (Rolf Schreiber)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Right of way
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:17:39 GMT
Organization: U.C. San Diego, AMES Department


In article <1992Sep4.110047@wsl.dec.com>, gringort@wsl.dec.com (Joel Gringorten)
writes:
|> Sometimes port tack sailors approaching me (I'm on starboard) like to 
|> play the macho game of pinching up wind to show they can sail higher.  
|>
|> [...]
|> 
|> -joel

While yielding R.O.W. by heading downwind is probably the "correct" thing for
a port-tacker to do, I often pinch up to get by someone on starboard tack.
This is mostly because I feel more comfortable doing this than going off the
wind and potentially falling off the board right in front of the oncoming
sailor. Especially in gusty conditions where a good puff is likely to send you
over the handlebars in a spectacular harness catapult. I don't do this to be
macho - I do it because I feel more in control of my equipment and thus less
likely to fall. But when this situation arises I always try to make the course 
corrections well in advance of the potential crossing. If the starboard sailor
holds his course, then I am still yielding the right of way and everyone is
happy. Right? 

---
Rolf Schreiber                              Internet:rolf@ames.ucsd.edu
Applied Mechanics and Engineering Sciences  UUCP: ...!ucsd!rolf
University of California at San Diego       Voice: (619)534-5414
From: colas@capa.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Date: 27 Aug 92 06:13:03 GMT
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France

In article <10236@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>, kenb@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Ken Berger) writes:
|> Be careful about wearing a PFD when wave sailing.

I don't think it is an issue, since you are very close to the shore while
surfsailing a PFD is actually not necessary in waves. Besides, white water will
just wash you ashore in no time...

For other cases, in my opinion, if you have any kind of problem far offshore,
your only hope is to be spotted by rescue people, so the most important thing
is to stay close to your board. I doubt a PFD would be of significant use if
you got stranded alone in water.

SO: you may wear a PFD, but it it silly to wear one if you didnt before check
your universal and added some security devices to keep sail and board attached.
Personnaly I change my U-joint every year, whatever its looks (and I don't waer
a PFD, as I do mainly waves)

-- 
Colas Nahaboo, colas@sa.inria.fr, Bull Research Koala proj. Wool&Gwm Architect
Pho:(33) 93.65.77.70(.66 Fax), INRIA, B.P.93 - 06902 Sophia Antipolis, FRANCE.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Swimming back with your gear
From: srgxnbs@grv (Bruce Spedding)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 03:22:51 GMT
Reply-To: srgxnbs@grv
Organization: DSIR, Lower Hutt, New Zealand.

In article <jeffb.1bdo@terapin.com>, jeffb@terapin.com (Jeffrey Bean) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.083219@wsl.dec.com>, mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan
>Mohanram) writes:
>>Yesturday after swimming for an hour at cyote, I was wondering what was the
>>best way to swim your equipment back. The wind died about 3/4 mile out, and 
>>I was faced with a long swim. I tried putting the sail on the back of the
>>board and lying on it and paddling. The board however kept turning parallel
>>to the direction of the swells (which is not the direction I wanted to go).
>>I ended up doing the old backstroke with the rig in tow. Is this the best
>>method. Are there more experienced swimmers out there? 
>>
>    Well, I'm not a very experienced windsurfer, myself, but it sounds like
>you've never heard of the High-Air self rescue, where you just untie your sail
>from the boom, rap it around the mast, tie it down and lay the boom flat along
>the mast.  Then all you have to worry about is the drag from the mast.

Try releasing the downhaul, removing all the battens , releasing boom, and
then rolloing the sail up on the mast and fastening the resulting mess to
an 8'-9' board - drag from the mast is the least of your worries. The self
rescue you describe is fine for long boards but is less than useless for
short  boards. I haven't found anything better than backstroke yet ...

Bruce

Bruce Spedding
Materials Science and Performance
Industrial Research Ltd,     Fax: +64-4-569-0132
P.O.Box 31310,              Work: +64-4-569-0485
Lower Hutt,  ( NZST : +12 ) Home: +64-4-562-8522
New Zealand.  Internet: srgxnbs@grv.grace.cri.nz
From: drl00@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Doug Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Couple of Items For Sale
Date: 24 Aug 92 16:42:44 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO



***********    FOR SALE    *****************


Bodyglove Drysuit, excellent condition, medium size	$100


Neil Pryde 6.3 Slalom Duo Sail, excellent condition	$100


Doug Lynch
303-679-2855
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: des@spock.retix.com (Mondo)
Subject: Forsale: Windsurfing stuff.
Organization: Retix, Santa Monica CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:43:16 GMT


For sale, located in L.A.

Mistral Malibu: In excelent shape, with daggerboard, fin, mastbase
        and footstraps.  $200 obo.

KC Fiber SlalomLight Carbon Mast: One year old, used about 20 times.
        Was originally a two piece, but is now permanently jammed,
        and is now a one peice, otherwise in good shape. 
        If you have never tried a carbon mast you dont
        know what you are missing. $100 obo.

NP Boom, small size, good shape, clamp on... older style.
        $50 obo.

Alpha boom, has nautix clamp retro fitted, beat up but still
        useable.  $40.


If anyone is interested in the board, mast and alpha boom I will
throw in a nice Neil pryde 6.0 RAF sail (with alpha labeling) to
make up a complete board for a mere $50 extra, which gives
an excellent beginner board settup for a mere $390.


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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: mece2b0@jane.uh.edu (Laskowski, Grezegorz)
Subject: Novice need advice (what to buy).
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 04:33:00 GMT

Hello, I am new to this group, so please understand if I ask
FAQs (BTW, is there a FAQ to this news group - and could
someone tell me it's location).

I've just decided to buy a winsurfing. I've tried it once
so far, and as you may have guessed, I don't know a thing
about equipement. The main question that I have is
what should I buy (brandnames, size, etc.)?
I am in Houston and I intend to use the board on some
area lakes and in the Gulf. I'm 150 lb and 5'11".

I have friend who wants to get rid of his board
(11 ft. long, he does not know the sail, 
Windsurfer brand name). The board is complete
and in fair condition. He said that he bought
it used about three years ago. He wants $300 for it.
Is that a good buy, and is that a good board for me?

I'll be gratefull for any advice.
Thanks in advance.

Greg


=================================================================
|	Greg Laskowski			mece2b0@jetson.uh.edu	|
|	University of Houston					|
=================================================================
From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Sailing Right-Of-Way
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:38:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: helios.price.715354708
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln

kramer@olympus.ics.uci.edu (David Kramer) writes:

>>  First of all, when two sailors approach each other on opposite tacks,
>>  the sailor on starboard tack has the right-of-way.  (Ken, starboard
>>  means your RIGHT hand is forward).  It is the responsibility of the
>>  sailor on port tack (left hand forward) to avoid the sailor on
>>  starboard tack.
>>
>>  So, how many times have you been on port tack and had this starboard
>>  tack person mirror your efforts to avoid collision?  It happens to me
>>  A LOT!  This brings up the next point.  The sailor on starboard tack,
>>  when approaching a sailor on port tack, should attempt to hold the
>>  course that is being sailed so that the port tack sailor can maneuver
>>  to avoid a collision.

>What you failed to mention is that the sailor on starboard tack has to
>yell "starboard tack", the sailor on port tack has to yell "hold your
>course." The starboard-tack sailor is then expected to hold his course.
>In this way, both know what their respective rights are, and the mirror
>problem doesn't occur.

Sorry, but the rules do not REQUIRE anyone to yell anything - yelling of
"starboard" is an optional courtesy, not a requirement. Lack of yelling does
NOT alter the rights of the starboard sailor.

We are all expected (legally) to have read and understood the rules of the
"road".

--
chad
price@helios.unl.edu
cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
From: henrik@mpci.llnl.gov (Henrik Klagges)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Wanted Bay Area location Recommendations
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:02:08 GMT

clw@sante.corp.sgi.com (Cathy L. Wallace) writes:

>best places to windsurf in the Bay Area by skill level required.  Will

Place: Bethany reservoir. 
Typical day (late summer):
time   5pm    6pm    7pm    10pm-6am  9am
knots  12     15     25     45        15

Good day:
knots  25     30     35     35+       20

Blast-Off day (high summer only, speeds measured on levee):
knots  40     45     50+    55+       35

Bad day:
knots  10    12      15     20+       10

Skill level required:
Pros only. Place is too small to have the water littered with people who 
missed their jibe. Bring fluorescent/chemical light sticks (military surplus)
for night action. Bring extra booms and masts + small board. Bring assorted 
beverages for locals (=me).

Cheers, Henrik
From: NVBBH@CUNYVM.BITNET (Nicholas V. Barone)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: recomend & want beg board
Date: 31 Aug 92 16:48:53 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

I am completely new to the sport. Would like recommendations or info

on a beginners board - if someone has one for sale let me know !
I am from New York City area - if there are mail order houses I should
know about  - please give me that info too. Thanks for your help in
advance - send mail direct please
Nick
NVBBH@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: srgxnbs@grv (Bruce Spedding)
Subject: Re: Swimming back with your gear
Reply-To: srgxnbs@grv
Organization: DSIR, Lower Hutt, New Zealand.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 21:08:45 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.164127.23257@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes:
>In article <1992Aug25.083219@wsl.dec.com> mohanram@wsl.dec.com (Narayan Mohanram) writes:
>>Yesturday after swimming for an hour at cyote, I was wondering what was the
>>best way to swim your equipment back. The wind died about 3/4 mile out, and 
>>I was faced with a long swim. I tried putting the sail on the back of the
>>board and lying on it and paddling. The board however kept turning parallel
>>to the direction of the swells (which is not the direction I wanted to go).
>>I ended up doing the old backstroke with the rig in tow. Is this the best
>>method. Are there more experienced swimmers out there? 
>
>My method is to get behind the board, balance the rig on the tail out
>of the water, and then holding the booms, kick home.  It's slow but
>steady.  I don't know how it will behave with swells.
>>
>>I was also told that dumping your rig when you are really in trouble will
>>help. At what time do you determine it is time to dump your rig?
>
>When the value of your life insurance policy multiplied by the
>probability of your death exceeds the value of your rig, consider
>calling your life insurance agent for a review.  Or dump the rig and
>paddle like your life depends on it.
>
>I can only forsee dumping my rig when the conditions are extreme.  If
>you have an overwhelming offshore wind and you can make headway
>across the wind to shelter IF you dumped, then you should dump.  If
>you can't make headway regardless, the sail may be better as a sea
>anchor.  A wind blowing you into a towering seawall with an incoming
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>tide might make you think of dumping also.  Use your judgement and
>adrenaline level.
>
>-andy

This happened to me and I eventually abandoned my rig, I'd tried to de-
rig but fully battened sails don't help so I re-rigged and said goodbye
to it. It was recovered 5 days later several miles away not much the worse for
wear. My advice, label your sails, then if you have to dump it may be recovered

-Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
Bruce Spedding
Materials Science and Performance
Industrial Research Ltd,     Fax: +64-4-569-0132
P.O.Box 31310,              Work: +64-4-569-0485
Lower Hutt,  ( NZST : +12 ) Home: +64-4-562-8522
New Zealand.  Internet: srgxnbs@grv.grace.cri.nz  
From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 08:18:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Discount on Northwave Sails...
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

> But seriously folks, Blake Richards (Northwave owner) *artificially*
> raised his prices this year because he couldn't handle the volume of
> business he was getting.  A friend ordered a sail in March and was
> told it would be 8 weeks before it was finished!  What is the result
> of raising prices?  His best year ever!

Things may have slowed down.  In the first week of August we were
sitting on the grass at the Hood River Event Site and some guy came
around trying to get people interested in Northwaves (offering
literature, demo's competitive trials).  This does not seem like
something you do if you're heavily backlogged. 

I didn't need color-coordinated sails, so I passed.  :-)

Ken Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com
From: Juri.Munkki@f764.n153.z1.fido.zeta.org.au (Juri Munkki)
Sender: UUCP@ship.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: baltic sea
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:02:00 -0800

Organization: Helsinki University of Technology

In article <9208191834.AA07725@cs.NYU.EDU> bardet@CS.NYU.EDU (Laurent Bardet)
writes:
>    How confortable are the gloves and hoods ? Can we hear with
>neoprene hood ?

You loose an enormous amount of heat through your head. Everyone I know
wears a hood when it's really cold. Hearing is not a problem. After the
dry suit, a hood is the most important thing to have in cold weather.

>How slippy are the hands on the wishbone with gloves ?

A lot of sailors here do not like gloves, so they don't use them.

As I said, I use mittens with the palm area cut off. This allows me to grip
the boom with your bare hands and it also allows me to blow in warm air
through the opening. I find blowing air into the gloves much more efficient
than warming my fingers in my mouth.

>Have you got prefered brands?

O'Neill. The O'Asis is the most popular dry suit around here.

>Since I don't own a van, I change my
>clothe outside before to rush into the car. An important question is
>how much time do you need to take off all the sucker stuff after the
>navigation ?

Since you are wearing a dry suit anyway, you can wear it a while longer
and drive home to a nice warm shower. Remove the dry suit when you are in
the shower. I only do this when it's convenient.

Even without the shower, a dry suit is not much harder to remove than
your average wetsuit. You may need some help with the zipper (if it's
in the back) and it may take a minute or two longer.

--
  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
 jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software


 * TNet 2.2 = S2SNet


From: poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com (Ken Poulton)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:04:43 GMT
Subject: For sail
Organization: HP Labs, High Speed Electronics Dept., Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

For sail: '90 Gaastra quiver

    3.9	CamberLite	very good condition	$ 90
    4.4 PowerSpeed	excellent condition	$110
    5.0 PowerSpeed	excellent condition	$120
    5.7	CamberLite	good condition		$100

    These sails want a 15' flex-top mast, MCS stiffness about 25-28.
    The PowerSpeeds have dual external cambers; the CamberLites have
    single internal cambers.  All cambers are removable for easier
    sail handling.  All these sails have slim luff sleeves that take on
    very little water, so they are ideal for learning to waterstart.

    Buy 'em all and I'll take off $50.

Also for sail:

    6.3 1987 Windwing Speed sail: 4 cambers - fair condition.  $90

    5.7 1989 Bic Fun sail  very good condition	$50
    This is a fully-battened RAF sail.

The 4 Gaastras plus the Windwing will cover you for virtually all your
SF Bay sailing, for less than the price of one new race sail (what I
bought this year). 


Ken Poulton
poulton@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com
Palo Alto, CA
415-857-1742	home
415-857-8461	mesg
From: patrick@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Barry Patrick)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:31:20 GMT
Subject: Re: RIO VISTA swap meet
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing

I don't know about labor day weekend, but windcraft's swap meet was last
weekend.