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From: dans@danix.UUCP (Dan Simoes)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: NY Skating?
Date: 6 Oct 92 13:09:51 GMT
Organization: Danix Consulting

mldickens@bbn.com (Michael Dickens) writes:
> --------
> 
> I'm finally getting a chance to visit New York, specifically, Manhatten
> (I think). I'm wondering about a few things:
> 
> (1) Will it be warm enough to skate?

People go skiing in the winter don't they?  You'll be fine, it's around 50.

> (2) If (1), where does one go to skate? Are there any special rules that
> one must look out for?

Central Park is generally regarded as the NYC skate mecca.  You can contact the
NY Road Skaters Assoc. for more info about clinics and programs, but if you 
just want to skate, that's the place.  If you want skate info for Westchester,
send me email.

| Dan |

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Dan Simoes            email: dans@danix.uucp or          
Danix Consulting       dans%danix.uucp@uunet.uu.net       
Yorktown Hgts, NY     voice: (914) 747-1994 ext.415      
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu (Joe Kaplenk)
Subject: Re: Quad Competition
Organization: Loyola University Chicago
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 17:02:33 GMT

In <36020001@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> cfb@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Charlie Brett) writes:

>do with the weight of the skates. Figures, where skaters follow a defined
>pattern are pretty much the same ... boring. Not that figures are bad,
>it's just not a spectator event. Anyone that skates and hasn't tried it,

Rhe weight of the skates may have something to do with quad
freestyle events not being so artistic.  I think there is a lot
to be said about the training methods use in ice skating. There
is a lot  of emphasis on dance, gymnastics, weight training and
other activities in ice skating to develop a skaters skill.  In
the quad world I don't  hear as much talk about cross-training. 
The competitive quad skaters I know also seem to be less wealthy
than the competitive ice skaters I know.

I think there is also a  smaller number  of quad artistic skaters.
USFSA has almost 100,000 members. I'm not sure the numbers of artistic
quad skaters, but they seem to be less. With a larger base you can
attract a higher quality at the top because the competition is more
intense. In the Chicago area there are not many artistic quad skaters.
I can do a toe loop (mape) on quads and this makes me the best artistic
quad skater at the two clubs I belong to, but on ice my toe loop places
me close to the bottom in the two ice rinks I skate at and definitely
at the bottom of my club in artistic skill level.

I do find the quad pairs skating much better than ice pairs skating. 
Ice rinks tend to discourage pairs skating for safety reasons. This is
because the ice is is generally very crowded and it takes time for a pairs
team to react to problems. This discourages ice pairs teams. On
quads there is usually a lot more floor time avaiable, at least at
the rinks I've skated at. This enables the development of pairs skating 
teams. Many times I've been the only person on the floor on quads during
club practice, but on ice I have to share my freestyle time with 35 skaters,
practically all of whom are Juvenile and above level.

I attended roller skating nationals as a spectator and watched the freestyle  
and figures events. There actually seemed to be quite a bit of spectator
interest in the quad figures events. More so than in the ice figure events
I have attended. Maybe it had something to do with the temperature of
the room. The cold in an ice rink may be an inducement to do
other  things, or perhaps quad figures events are just more	
interesting. 
-- 
Joe Kaplenk,
jkaplenk@lucpul.it.luc.edu
312-764-1212 home, fax at home 312-465-0406
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: blenko-tom@CS.YALE.EDU (Tom M. Blenko)
Subject: Re: A Real Ice Skating Posting
Reply-To: blenko-tom@cs.yale.edu
Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:12:27 GMT


Vickie Mapes writes
| kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson) writes:
| >I saw Paul Wylie perform in the Olympic champion tour several months  
ago.  He
| >was definetly one of the best perfomers in the show.  After seeing how  
great
| >he really is in that exhibition, I wonder why he never did better than  
second
| >or third in an Olympics (he's been around awhile: I think he's almost  
30).  I
| 
| Sandra already mentioned reasons that I agree with (especially the part
| about him going to Harvard and not being able to spend full-time 
| in practice) so I won't repeat them all.
| 
| I did want to take issue with the line "I wonder why he never did better
| than second or third at the Olympics" because that's an attitude that
| really bothers me. First, it's been established that he got the Silver.
| No one ever expected him to medal at all, so his acomplishment is more
| than anyone, even Paul himself, could have imagined. He should be
| applauded, not asked why he didn't get the Gold. I've been a Paul Wylie
| fan for years and I was jumping around in ecstacy I was so happy for
| him. By asking why he didn't get the Gold, people are automatically
| demeaning what he *did* do, and that's wrong, IMO.

When Paul Wylie was coming up through the ranks -- US Men's
Junior champ and, I believe, World junior champion -- he
was absolutely the annoited son, the future US champion
in-the-making. So there is a good reason for those who
have been watching him for so long to ask why he didn't
attain that status, even after 8 or so years at the senior
level.

I don't think less of him as a person because he didn't
realize this achievement (lots of the rest of us didn't
after all), but there is a system by which competitors move
up the ranks and I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask
why the system failed, as it clearly did in Wylie's case. 

	Tom
From: JJS126@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: replacing wheels
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:43:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: psuvm.92280.114337JJS126
Distribution: na
Organization: Penn State University

To get the bearings out is easy ...1) either go to a dealer with one of the
wheels, ask him/her for the tool they use...looks like a bolt with a big head
on it or 2) look at your wheel and you will on the inside of the bearing a
white sleeve...find a socket(no wrench)that fits inside the bearing but,
rests on the white sleeve, then just push the socket into the sleeve and
the bearings will pop out...this might not make sense because it is hard to
describe...i would just ask a dealer to show you...thats how i learned
good luck
Jake @ PSUVM
Potholes,potholes,potholes
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: kimon@orac.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos)
Subject: Re: I finally saw a ProBlade
Organization: HoloNet (BBS: 510-704-1058)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 03:37:58 GMT

mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang) writes:

>In article <Buy5qL.FqL@iat.holonet.net> kimon@orac.holonet.net (Kimon Papahadjopulos) writes:
>>So I finally saw a ProBlade yersterday.

>Did they have the funky "fade" wheels? By fade I mean dark orange in
>the back wheel moving toward yellow in the front wheel.

I think they were all yellow, but I don't know if that is stock.

Kimon Papahadjopoulos
kimon@holonet.net
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Ice Skating mailing list?
Date: 25 Sep 92 21:20:25 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Sep25.165636.17504@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> kevin@tycho.lmsc.com writes:
> 
> Does anybody out there know the secrete to staying centered while spinning?
> About 80% of my spins I travel 4 feet or so along the ice, which prevents
> me from spinning really fast (which I love to do).  Somebody told me
> I drop my shoulder and that causes me to travel in the direction of the
> dropped shoulder, but squaring my shoulders off doesn't seem to help 
> much.  When I was a little kid I could spin up a storm, but now it's 
> very difficult.  Does good spinning have more to do with physiology
> than technique?  I'm beggining to think so.

Well, you haven't shifted your center of mass towards your belly or
or otherwise changed proporitions since you were a kid like so many
of us, eh?  If so, then you may need some real coaching to clean up
your technique - not someone who will suggest what you might be doing
wrong, but someone who will work with you to correct it.

Petkevitch's book is good in that it describes the problems typically
encountered on spins and other moves.  For spins:

Not centered -

entry turn too early
bending forward on edge
not turning free leg out sufficiently
not holding free leg high enough
holding arms too high at beginning
stepping outside circle of preparatory edge
remaining too long on entrance edge
rocking on the blade
insufficiently wide step or swing

All of these seem to translate into less than ideal form or technique,
but it seems like only someone who has a feel for what is right can
quickly identifiy which are giving you problems...

Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang)
Subject: Re: "IN-LINE SKATING BANNED"
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 21:27:28 GMT

In article <mellon.717785084@pepper> mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon) writes:
>>In rec.skate, guy@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Guy Sitler) writes:
>>            My place of employment has recently banned In-Line skating
>> on site.   They do allow walking, running and bicycling.  What are
>> the policies at other companies? 
>
>At NCD, we play rollerhockey in the parking lot some evenings.   So far,
>nobody's complained.   I've heard that they do the same thing at Adobe.

Yup we do. Though Adobe sent out a memo stating that the company is
not responsible for any mishaps, injuries, etc. that occur -- in 
other words, play at your own risk. Seems like a resonable policy
to me.

-- 
Michael Wang
mmwang@mv.us.adobe.com
From: larrya@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Larry Anderson)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 09:24:26 GMT
Subject: Re: "IN-LINE SKATING BANNED"
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skate

In rec.skate, guy@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Guy Sitler) writes:

> 	Hi,
> 
>            My place of employment has recently banned In-Line skating
> 
> on site.   They do allow walking, running and bicycling.  What are
>  
> the policies at other companies? 
> 
What!!??? Say it isn't so.  I'm at HP Ft. Collins.  While I did get
busted for inlining on the dock one Sunday night, security has pretty
much looked the other way when I cruise around the parking lots.  And do
I ever cruise - we have the absolutely most beautiful paved surfaces and
pleasure paths.  Oh well, I knew it was too good to be true.   

When inlines are banned, only outlaws will skate.  8-)

Lars.
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen)
Subject: IN-LINE:  New SwitcHit stuff?
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 21:28:12 GMT

(Yes, I can post from my account now 8-)

I just saw Scott Olsen on some invention show called "Why didn't I think of 
That?".  He showed a new-looking SwitcHit skate (cool-lookin' maroon shell)
and he had three different blades with him: a regular 4-wheeler, racing
5-wheeler and a special hockey 4-wheeler (probably full-rockerable and maybe
a shorter wheel base, but that's purely speculation). Now this is more like
it.  Instead of harping on the ability to swich from ice-blade to wheels,
they're adding some versatility within in-lines.  Being able to switch from
hockey skates to cruising skates would be very nice.  I don't suppose
any of these new add-on blades are on the market, though.  Probably up and
coming products (hopefully soon).

-Tony Chen
 adchen@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
 adchen@lee.cs.uiowa.edu
From: amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com (Allan McNaughton)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Where to blade in South Bay Area?
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:49:38 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: crash.wpd.sgi.com

Somebody told me that on Wednesday evenings, a large group skate happens
at Stanford.  Anybody have any details on this (when, where, etc...).  I
believe this is put on by the skate shop Nuevo Colors...
From: skk@tantalus.pa.dec.com (Stuart Kreitman)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Sealed bearing maintenance?
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:01:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: PA.1992Oct6.190126.25556
Reply-To: skk@tantalus.pa.dec.com (Stuart Kreitman)
Organization: DEC Western Software Laboratory


After 2 years of inconsiderate use, I would expect that my 
bearings are not up to par. The skate is "Macroblade" and
there doesn't seem to be a wayto invade the bearings' seals.

The FAQ alluded to lubing even sealed bearings, but some of us
aren't smart enough to put theory into practice. Any clues?

Also, who sells a metal axle kit for cheeep?
A store down the street sells one for $30, sheesh.
These things must be good, as the bearing spin is strongly
affected by how tightly the bolt is torqued.

Don't you get torqued. g'mar chatima tova!

skk
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: barrie@motek.webo.dg.com (Barrie Schmeltz)
Subject: Women's Lightning TRS' for sale
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 16:45:25 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, Westboro, MA



Rollerblade Lightning TRS -- brand new (used once).

  Women's Size 9.5

  If you want them, I also have wrist guards and knee pads (size medium).

  Best offer.  Please send e-mail to address below.
      

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Barrie Schmeltz             barrie@motek.webo.dg.com
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Skating Uphill?
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:28:56 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <55870018@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> dvolansk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (David Volansky) writes:
> I've found that, as a strong bicyclist, my skate climbing is improved by 
> bending more at the knee.  I'm not sure why this works, but I thing that I
> get forward movement not only in the stroke, but also in the extending of my
> bent legs on each kick.

Bending more at the knee is the essence of any power skating.  The more the
gliding knee is bent, the longer the power stroke of the skating leg.
From: cfb@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Charlie Brett)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Quad Competition
Date: 1 Oct 92 21:11:33 GMT
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO

IMHO, I think that most spectators would feel that ice skating is more
graceful in the dance and freestyle events. I think this has a lot to
do with the weight of the skates. Figures, where skaters follow a defined
pattern are pretty much the same ... boring. Not that figures are bad,
it's just not a spectator event. Anyone that skates and hasn't tried it,
should. Holding a steady line in a circle (and a loop) is not as easy as
it may look. It used to be that when it came to speed events, roller skating
was definately more exciting. Now that short track speed skating on ice
is being more widely recognized as an event, they're both about the same.

              Charlie Brett - HP Ft. Collins
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: mdm@bnr.ca (Diane MacMartin)
Subject: ICE: Jumping vs style (was Re: A Real Ice Skating Posting)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:27:53 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.210228.1555@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:
>Warning Personal Opinion Coming Up! :
>
>Reflecting on the above mentioned tour, I think there should be a lot
>less emphasis in the amateur world on jumping and more on style.  I think
>it's ridiculous that someone is expected to do 5 or 6 triples in a program
>and only expected to land 3 or 4 of them in order to do well.  I'd rather
>see a program with where the skater lands everything and can concentrate 
>more on style and personal expression (ala Wylie).  I think if that happened

Yes! I agree fully.  A skater who spends 3 1/2 of his/her four 
minutes stroking before a jump, jumping, and landing is just boring to
watch, no matter how beautifully executed the jumps are.  

A skater who can jump WELL within an expressive program with no or
minimal telegraphing, however, is a joy to watch (Brian Boitano, in
'88 Olympics and STILL - at least last winter, Kurt Browning 2 years
ago).  The skaters who master this are usually termed 'athletic' in
the early part of their careers and develop artistry when more mature.

It is the rare 'artistic' skater who can develop a good jumping
style when more mature.  This is just MHO, of course; any counter-
examples to  my theory?

-- 
Diane MacMartin       Bell-Northern Research, Ltd     Ottawa, Canada
mdm@bnr.ca            Any opinions are my own and do not represent BNR.
=========>> If this is printed on paper, please recycle it <<==========
From: ado@bbn.com (Buz Owen)
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: "IN-LINE SKATING BANNED"
Date: 1 Oct 1992 05:44:26 GMT
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com

adchen@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Tony Chen) writes:

>(Go skate on a university tennis court.  You'll get annoying assistant
> coaches running out yelling "verboten! verboten!" 1/2 8-)
...
>I've been wondering about this.  Just how much wearage can lots of skating
>do to parking-lots, tennis courts, etc?

I don't see how blading can hurt asphalt or concrete, or even painted
concrete, much.  However, a modern tennis court may not be just
painted concrete or asphalt.  The type of court used at the U.S. Open
(and very popular around the country), and most similar hard courts
found as real tennis facilities (clubs, universities, nicer public
tennis courts thick) is a thick layer of latex paint, with a layer of
acrylic paint, mixed with sand, over that.  The latex supposedly makes
the court easier on the feet, and the sand produces the desired degree
of friction.  This kind of surface can be pulled up in big strips if
you get it started with a knife or something, so I can easily see that
blading, especially braking or shredding, could damage such a surface.
Furthermore, the paint gradually wears thin, (probably gradually
losing its sand content and becoming slicker), and has to be resuraced
periodically, at some espense.  I imagine heavy roller hockey usage
could wear such a surface out pretty fast, compared to tennis playing.
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Kevin Anderson)
Subject: More on spinning
Keywords: ice skate spin spining 
Reply-To: kevin@dipl.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 00:49:51 GMT

Last week somebody posted some good advice on spining, but I deleted
the article already.  The person said that you should keep your 
hips (I think it was hips) centered over your spining foot.  How do
you center your hips over your spinning foot?  I think I'm misunderstanding
what you mean by centering your hips.  

Kevin Anderson
From: Michel_Denber.WBST147@xerox.com
Newsgroups: rec.skate
Subject: Re: Stretching
Date: 6 Oct 1992 14:31:14 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

	"he spent a good 25 minutes stretching before getting onto the ice."

Interestingly enough, in the last issue of "Dance" magazine, there was an
article about stretching.  It seems that stretching is best done *after*
warming up, not before or as a substitute for warming up.  Stretching before
warming up is not as effective at stretching muscles, as well as having a risk
of injury.  One teacher was quoted as saying that she does all her stretching
exercises at the *end* of her classes now rather than at the beginning.  Makes
sense to me.  My favorite stretch is to lift one leg out straight and up onto
the boards and just hold it there for a while.  This also helps give me a feel
for the right leg position to do a spiral.

			- Michel

denber.wbst147@xerox.com
Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: atkins@mksol.dseg.ti.com (William A Atkins)
Subject: Re: A Real Ice Skating Posting
Keywords: Ice
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:30:12 GMT

>There were a couple of other club members who did a very nice Pairs
>program, they jump incredibly well, but she seems a bit large for her partner,
>and they didn't do any lifts.  (their throw double Axel was ok, though)
>Their names were Paul Wylie and Nancy Kerrigan, I think.  He seems to have just
>graduated (cum laude) from Harvard, and she is from Stoneham MA.  (He's
>originally from Denver, they said.)  Oh yes, they each did a solo thing
>earlier, and they did some good stuff, but didn't seem to be trying very hard
>(I mean they jumped and spun and all that, lots, but it looked so easy when
>they did it that they couldn't have been trying much.)

Paul Wylie and Nancy Kerrigan are very famous in the ice skating community. 
Anyone as good at what they do as those two will make it look easy. They probably
were not trying too much considering this was not a competition but an exhibition.
They normally do not skate pairs together; therfore, they probably did not want 
to take a chance getting hurt by doing lifts (lifts is what makes pairs skating 
difficult).

>On the other hand, they did seem to get a lot of applause, so keep an eye out
>for them too, they may make it to the sectionals, or even further.

I'm not sure if they even desire to skate "sectionals" anymore. Since competing
in the olympics this past winter, it probably doesn't hold the same appeal
anymore. Paul placed 2nd (?) and Nancy placed 4th (?) I think. That is why they
received a lot of applause. 

Thanks for the heads-up on the other up-and-comers. This was not intended to be a
flame, but rather to educate. I am not personally an ice skater, but instead a
roller skater who follows the ice skating "stars" as well.

Billy Atkins.
(The views expressed herein are strictly my own, not those of my company or
management)

Newsgroups: rec.skate
From: zeke@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Solly Ezekiel)
Subject: Re: More on Spinning
Organization: Loral Western Development Labs
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:54:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.233418.20478@src.umd.edu> jaya@src.umd.edu () writes:

>properly - it takes time to learn to spin. Many skaters travel tremendously
>for months before learning to center their spins.

Months?  I've been at it a year now, and I'm still traveling... sigh...

  +--------------------------+---------------+---------------------------+
  | "Asps!!  Very dangerous. |               | My opinions are not those |
  |     ...You go first."    |  Sol Ezekiel  |      of my employer,      |
  |          -- Sallah       |               |    Space Systems/Loral    |
  +--------------------------+---------------+---------------------------+

From: kirk@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Kirk Lindstrom)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 18:48:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Tips reqd. to begin skating
Organization: Shredding the water of SF Bay, HP-OCD
Newsgroups: rec.skate

>Hi,
>
>I am  interested in  learning to skate , my idea is to eventually get
>onto roller blades  but was wondering what would be the best way to
>start and how long does it normally take to learn the basics..
>
>- should i take classes  on rollerskates first before i try roller
>  blades  or should i just buy them on start learning on my own.
>
>- Also, how much would approximately cost for me to get started.
>
>Thanks.
>/Ravi. (rshankar@pyramid.com)
----------

For me I started with helmet, knee, elbow and wrist pads and a pair or
Aeorblades since they fit well and would last if I liked the sport (figured
I would).  I started out in the parking lot of my condo/townhouse by going
in circles from garage doors to cars.  As I got better, my circles got
larger, faster and more interesting scenery.  You will fall, so use
protection.  Some start with cheaper blades, but I couldn't see spending
$150 at one point and then needing to spend more later to replace that.

Kirk out
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