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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: *YOU* Can Call Pete Wilson to get a GAY RIGHTS LAW in California!
Date: 6 Sep 92 03:19:40 GMT
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Subject: *YOU* Can Call Pete Wilson to get a GAY RIGHTS LAW in California!
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 23:19:40 EDT
From: Ron Buckmire <buckmr>

With regard to the California Civil Rights Bills
AB-2601 and AB-3825.  Pete Wilson's office
is not taking names, so anyone can call and urge
him to sign these two bills.  The last time
the Orange County legions swamped his office
with negative calls.  Everyone reading this
should call to urge him to sign.

The numbers again:  San Francisco (415) 703-2218
                    Sacramento (916) 445-2841
                    Los Angeles (213) 897-0322

With the doings in Oregon and Colorado, we must do everything
possible to protect our civil rights.

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From: buckmr@vccnw03.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Request for Vatican statement on GLB people.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:06:41 GMT

larsm@ifi.uio.no (Lars Markhus) writes:



>Has anyone got the original text of the recent Vatican statement on
>GLB people?  
Yes. I do.

>If so, please email me the text or email directions on where it may be 
>obtained, by ftp or other means.
It can be found in /pub/QRD/qrd/text/original-vatican.text on 
nifty.andrew.cmu.edu, available by anoymous ftp.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"Yes, you can get AIDS from a mosquito...*IF* you have unprotected
receptive anal intercourse with an infected mosquito..." -- Randy Shilts
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Just Bitching
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:23:17 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

I think I can add to this as well.

Being myself a _somewhat_ mainstream? hetero white male, I also have many gay
friends (all male - I've yet to acutally _meet_ a lesbian, altho my friends
know several themselves), and in a house of five people that I live in, 
two are gay lovers, one of which is my best friend.  

I can't say that there have been any queers that call me homophobic for not
wanting to have sex/quality time with them, but there have been several 
who did not believe me when I said I was straight.  

I think this comes to your point about having gay friends or interacting with
gays without being gay.

I say - if they can, so can I. I.e., if they have no problem interactin g
with straights and the straights don't think they're straight, then
I, being straight, am able to interact with queers without them having
to think I'm queer.  

To me, it's like being with women whom I'm not attracted to.  The interaction
is present, but there's no sexual tension (usually), unless it's directed
at me, rather than my sexuality being directed out to them.

$.02

later.

andy
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Subject: Re: [banning] cannot tell whether to ban
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:26:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.202806.3264@efi.com> root (ooh! how macho!) blathers:
>     I cannot tell whether to ban homosexuals or not ...

How very objective of you.  I can't tell whether to ban you, either.

>[homosexuality] cannot be treated the same way as the
>boy/girl kind of love...
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<sarcasm mode on>

  Daniel Chung espouses sex with minors!  News at eleven!

<sarcasm mode off>

We're all impressed that you know how to set followups to misc.test,
Daniel.  Now go play with your very traditional family.

--
Ellen Keyne Seebacher            elle@midway.uchicago.edu
  "O.K. ... let's cut a deal.  I solemnly swear not to teach homosexuality
   to your family, so long as you never teach english to mine."
                               --abreur@woods.ulowell.edu (Rich)
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:30:26 -0400 
From: Erik Karl Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: SIMPLE ANSWER

Huh?  I'm not really sure how this wound up here.  I must have sent it
here as well as to talk.abortion by accident.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Brazil - What a country!
Keywords: suck, asswipe, butch, dyke, poof, queer, haemorroids
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 13:22:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.062149.18301@ucc.su.OZ.AU> jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Jason Haines) writes:

>Anyone that daubs their dick with another man's excrement is seriously fucked
>in the head.

Actually, that's "fucked in the ass."  But who's counting?

Smooches!

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: doretta@agora.rain.com (Doretta Schrock)
Subject: Re: Family Values
Keywords: significant words from a document used as an index to content
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:09:19 GMT

So if all of you Biblical scholar types are so interested in the total
context, get out a concordance, look up Sodom, and take note that the
only reference to sex and what happened to S&G that explicitly refers
to gender talks explicitly about men lusting after women.

Just missed that one, eh?

Doretta
doretta@agora.rain.com
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:21:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

Then what is the point of arguing for arguing's sake?

Sure, the golden rule is flawed, arguing endlessly about it isn't 
gonna do anything, especially if both people arguing are _Actually_
on the same side.

am I right?

I don't care what you think.

later.

andy
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: bn566@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ward Chanley)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Heredity of homosexuality
Date: 9 Sep 1992 05:43:21 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


RE: The other seems very likely to be a personal choice...

Except that while that may be a convienient theory, it contra-
dicts my experience.  I choose to date men...I do not "choose"
to be attracted to them; I simply am.  I chose to come out of 
the closet as a homosexual, I did not "choose" to BE a homosexual.

-- 
You know life is an impossible scheme,
And love, an imperceptible dream...
     --- Pet Shop Boys
bn566@cleveland.freenet.edu (Ward Chanley)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:24:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.193841.22336@cs.yale.edu> rescorla@rtnmr.chem.yale.edu (Eric Rescorla) writes:
>Please substantiate your claim.
>Your claim that you should NEVER try to make a kid feel bad about
>themselves is no more supported than your claim that it is
>immoral to tell a gay teenager that they are going to hell.

Eric, I sure this must be fun for you, but as a rather bored bystander,
I must say that your rigid logic has a rather bloodless and _aimless_
quality to it which strikes me as out of place in a situation where
we're really talking about values.  I mean, it's as if you walked into
soc.culture.african-american and in the middle of a response to a
racist's diatribe, you started correcting the defender's logic, while
at the same time declaring your "impartiality".  The question is,
what are you doing here in the first place?

This is not to say that I find arguments like "but they'll kill themselves"
particularly persuasive or endearing.  Maybe you could make your purpose
a little clearer in the midst of all the fun you're having arguing.


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Re: Family Values
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	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
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Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 00:12:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep09.030102.6012@digibd.com> merlyn@digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy) writes:
>jfed@athena.mit.edu (Jude G Federspiel) writes:
>...
>>As for the preachers, let me clear up one thing.  No Biblical Christian 
>>who has a firm conviction that the Bible is the word of God can ignore what 
>>it says:
>
>>"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them has done
>>what is detestable"
>>	--Leviticus 18:22
>...
>>This doesn't mean I'm telling anybody 
>>to hate [or fear] homosexuals, so don't bash me for homophobia or hate 
>>tactics or something equally silly.
>
>But you ignoring part of what Leviticus says; Leviticus prescibes the
>death penalty for homosexual acts.
>
>So, do you ignore word of your god, or do you advocate death for gays?

Possibly more important:

1)  Jesus "threw out" the laws of the OT.  Christians don't follow Leviticus
    anymore.

2)  Do you know what the penalty is for wearing polyster and cotton together?
    How about eating that medium-rare steak?

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Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: larsm@ifi.uio.no (Lars Markhus)
Subject: Request for Vatican statement on GLB people.
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:23:43 GMT
Originator: larsm@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no



Has anyone got the original text of the recent Vatican statement on
GLB people?  

If so, please email me the text or email directions on where it may be 
obtained, by ftp or other means.

This request is on behalf of the International secretary of DNF48, Norways
main GLB political org.


Thanks

LarsM
-- 
Lars Markhus -- larsm@ifi.uio.no (Student)
Institute of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
From: zbdm0c@curry.trc.amoco.com (Brian D. Moe)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Family Values
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:49:56 GMT
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	<1992Sep6.214508.6895@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
	<1992Sep7.154642.12539@athena.mit.edu>
Reply-To: bmoe@trc.amoco.com
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amoco Production Research


> jfed@athena.mit.edu (Jude G Federspiel) writes:

> And as for a _non-Biblical_ Christian, well, such a thing exists in
> name only.  

Ignoring (almost) the fact that this statement doesn't really sound
very Christian to me, I'd like to make some observations.

Just before the Reformation, very few Christians had any access at all
to the Bible, and those who did didn't seem to hold this book in
nearly as high regard as American Fundamentalists do.

Before the books of the Bible were compiled there were Christians.
Before these books were even written, there were Christians.

It seems to me that, historically, non-biblical Christians were the
rule, not the fiction you would suggest.

Is the Bible suddenly necessary to Christianity where is wasn't
before?  I know quite a few self described Christians who would say
"no."   Strangely, as a group, they seem to act quite a bit more
Christ-like than the Bible pushers.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian Moe                                     Amoco Production Company
bmoe@trc.amoco.com                               Tulsa Research Center
(918) 660-3877                         P.O. Box 3385 / Tulsa, OK 74102
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: doug@cc.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell)
Subject: Re: [banning] cannot tell whether to ban
Organization: Bush in 92 ? NOT!
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:40:45 GMT

dchung@efi.com (Daniel Chung) redirects discussion to misc.test, 
then writes:
: 
: *objectively* speaking, it cannot be treated the same way as the
: boy/girl kind of love, leading to marriage.  Homosexual couples *cannot*
: lead to marriage: they cannot bear children, which come from their proper
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is this ALL you think marriage means ???
: genes.  Homosexual people are *not* a minority: you don't have a
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
: homosexual man and a homosexual woman (of course) giving birth to
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
: homosexual children -- a direct consequence of the previous sentence.

In other words, it's not a minority if they can't procreate.  Tell that
to practicioners of non-Judeo-Christian religions, which are protected
under the US constitution.  Maybe they're not "minorities" in the ethnic
sense, but compared to the majority of Americans, they still get - and
deserve - this protection.  The fact that I differ in the gender of the
ones I love - or even just sleep with - shouldn't matter except to people
that need a reason to feel superior or hate.

And if you're going to harp on life-long commitments, then do something
about the AWFUL heterosexual divorce rate.  Or do you espouse "staying
together for the sake of {the kids, the dog, what the neighbors say,
what the church says, whatever} ?
--
Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, Youngstown State University
doug@cc.ysu.edu	   doug@ysub.bitnet	<internet>!cc.ysu.edu!doug
Family Values: the sexist, racist, homophobic, classist, "Christian" values
of the 50's.
From: omhoward@acsu.buffalo.edu (The God-Bitch Emperor of Snuggle Bunnies)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Keywords: golden rule
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:26:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UB

Lets drop the %^#$%$#!!!!! golden rule already......

(annoyed at the whole thing (and genrally tired of certian people being contary for contray's sake..))

Have A Day
-Eftsne (Olu)
*Vox Domini*

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Good quote follows:
   "I believe that homophobia is equivalent to racism.  Prejudicial violence
     towards gays and lesbians is as irrational as hostility towards African
     Americans.  A bigot is a bigot."     		-L.S. Welch 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: mam2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Marshall A Mills)
Subject: Re: Request for Vatican statement on GLB people.
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:07:44 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.142343.6197@ifi.uio.no> larsm@ifi.uio.no (Lars Markhus) writes:
>
>
>Has anyone got the original text of the recent Vatican statement on
>GLB people?  

I thought this has already been posted here?  If not try soc.motss.

-Andy
From: elliott@leda.princeton.edu (Frank W. Elliott)
Subject: Re: [banning] cannot tell whether to ban
Organization: Princeton University
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:59:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.202806.3264@efi.com> root writes:
>
>     I cannot tell whether to ban homosexuals or not -- I just heard
>of Oregon.  However, homosexuality is counter-traditional, and
>*objectively* speaking, it cannot be treated the same way as the
>boy/girl kind of love, leading to marriage.  Homosexual couples *cannot*
>lead to marriage: they cannot bear children, which come from their proper
>genes.  Homosexual people are *not* a minority: you don't have a
>homosexual man and a homosexual woman (of course) giving birth to
>homosexual children -- a direct consequence of the previous sentence.
>
>     If everyone listen from their grandparents, then every boy should
>find a girlfriend and every girl should find a boyfriend, i.e. when they
>are old enough to look for one to be lifelong partner.  Good luck to these.
>
>					ZHONG Qi-Iao


"On the other hand, why don't you just go screw yourself?"

Sir John Gielgud
_Arthur_

-- Frank
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Jason Haines)
Subject: Brazil - What a country!
Followup-To: alt.sex.anal, alt.sex.dyke, alt.sex.motherfucker
Keywords: suck, asswipe, butch, dyke, poof, queer, haemorroids
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 06:21:49 GMT

After reading about 1200 gays being killed over a space of 10 years, I can
only say - Brazil, what a country! I think it's a bit of a waste of time,
since when you kill one homo, another pops up in place, just like a weed.

Anyone that daubs their dick with another man's excrement is seriously fucked
in the head.

Alter Ego
-- 
Jason Haines - System Operator, MacInTouch BBS (02) 743-5997 (TeleFinder)
jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU
_______________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,rec.scouting,alt.discrimination
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: BofA and UW can now support discrimination against blacks and Jews
Followup-To: alt.politics.homosexuality,rec.scouting,alt.discrimination,misc.test
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:43:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.175559.2544@bbt.com> rlr@bbt.com (Powdered Toast Man) writes:

>[NOTE:  I've directed followups to a.p.h and soc.motss, where they're
>more appropriate]

Been on the net long, Powdered Toast Man?

Followup-To = Newsgroups + "misc.test".

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
From: awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Biblical Bullsh*t
Date: 12 Sep 92 20:04:37 GMT
	<1992Sep6.181209.12231@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>
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	<mjenkins.715994180@cunews>
Distribution: usa
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

alt.politics.clinton removed from newsgroups line.

In article <mjenkins.715994180@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:

- That doesn't answer the question. Why is a supposedly rabidly
- homophobic group like the Catholics helping AIDS patients when other
- hospitals will not?

The charity thing.  Individual Catholics do not necessarily feel
homophobia.  The church itself has it.  Most Catholics I know have
quite a bit of compassion for other people.  But the phrase itself:
"love the sinner, hate the sin," is still an oxymoron.  To say it is
to totally misunderstand what it means to be gay.

--
Andrew Werling    awerling@nmsu.edu    yip@acca.nmsu.edu
"Jesus is coming, look busy."
          --from a button I bought in an Albuquerque bookstore.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: awerling@nmsu.edu (WERLING)
Subject: Editorial about AIDS
Organization: NMSU Computer Science
Distribution: alt
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:30:08 GMT

The following is retyped without permission.

Found in our university newspaper, the ROUND UP, 9-11-92 (grammar left
unchecked for sake of expediency):

MANDATORY AIDS TESTING GETS BAD MARKS

By Terrance Vestal, Round Up Arts and Entertainment Editor

Mandatory AIDS testing for health care workers, or anybody else for
that matter, would serve no better purpose than branding a big "A" on
their forehead or putting the Star of David on the sleeves of the Jews
in Nazi Germany.

AIDSphobics, people who's paranoia stems from their own ignorance,
have banned people with the dreaded disease from jobs, housing and
basic medical care.  This fear also triggers violence against acquired
immune-deficiency syndrome sufferers, as if they didn't have enough to
worry about.

Some people, like Jerry Falwell and Jesse Helms, have even gone so far
as to suggest that we round these people up and put them away in
internment camps.  I sugest that we round up these ignoramuses, like
the reverend and senator, and put them away so they don't contaminate
the gene pool.

I've met people who have tested positive for HIV, the suspected virus
that causes AIDS, and if they didn't tell me about their condition I
would have never guessed it--young, healthy-looking people in the
prime of lives that have been unfortunately overshadowed by an ugly
twist of fate.

When people realize that AIDS cannot be contracted through casual
contact, that people with AIDS are people just the same, that people
with AIDS deserve the same kind of dignity, respect and compassion
that everyone else does, then maybe we can concentrate on beating this
thing before it beats us.

Just in case:

	Letters, Round Up, Box CC, University Park, NM  88003

--
Andrew Werling    awerling@nmsu.edu    yip@acca.nmsu.edu
"Jesus is coming, look busy."
          --from a button I bought in an Albuquerque bookstore.
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: Brazil - What a country!
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:26:34 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.062149.18301@ucc.su.OZ.AU> jasonh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU  
(Jason Haines) writes:
} After reading about 1200 gays being killed over a space of 10 years, I can
} only say - Brazil, what a country! I think it's a bit of a waste of time,
} since when you kill one homo, another pops up in place, just like a weed.
} 
} Anyone that daubs their dick with another man's excrement is seriously fucked
} in the head.

You obviously don't know what an enema is ... Try one!  They can be such fun!

Donald
Newsgroups: alt.politics.homosexuality,soc.motss