HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: phaedrus@unkaphaed.UUCP (James Hartman, Sysop)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: mail -> local newsgroup
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:20:00 GMT
Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy

G'day.  I have a number of aliases set up for the various mailing lists I want
to forward into a local newsgroup.  OK, fine, great, but recently I stopped
receiving ALL messages, roundabout the time I started working with beta 10 and
the true, proper 1.65 release.  Now, when I try mailing one of my forward
aliases, the various headers look OK, but the message text vanishes!

Any ideas?  Am I overlooking something dumb?  Help help!
--
phaedrus@unkaphaed.UUCP (James Hartman, Sysop)
Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, (713) 943-2728
1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32bis/v.42bis
From: bdl@cruiser.uucp (Bob Lombard)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: UUENCODE
Date: 22 Aug 92 01:55:04 GMT
Organization: what? me organized? no way!

pertinax@raley.Gwinnett.COM (Pertinax) writes:

> I am in need of an MS-DOS UUENCODE program.  Would someone be so kind as to
> e-mail me about where I can get such a program?  I can FTP it, if I knew
> where to look.  Thanks.

C$erve has 2 or three in the bbs section,  I also believe HALCYON.COM &
west.darkside.com have a few variants in their file sections.

good luck..


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Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: lspangle@nyx.cs.du.edu (L. A. Spangler)
Subject: Thank U Beta Testers
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:51:40 GMT

I've recently received 1.65, and am in the process of tweaking it, finding
a news feed, etc.  I've been around Waffle since 1.62 in one way or another
and am quite pleased with the product.  And like most other waffle-ites, it 
was driving me a bit crazy watching 65 go through beta incarnations 1 to 10. 

But I'm glad I waited, and got my hands on a stable product.  It's a pleasure
to be working with something without too many glitches and bugs.  

In short...thanks to Tom Dell for his work, and thanks to the beta testers 
who helped Tom turn a quality product.  PS - Tom, the check is in the mail. 

Lance Spangler 
lspangle@nyx.cu.du.edu
From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle 1.65 and BNU 1.70, and so forth.
Keywords: Waffle 1.65, BNU 1.70, V.32bis
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 05:14:45 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

ralphs@remote.halcyon.com (Ralph Sims) writes:

> moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>
> > I may be confused, but I don't believe there is such a baud rate available
> > on a modem yet. You need to set your driver rate for 19,200 or 14,400 (MAX)
>
> The Telebit Worldblazer supports a locked DTE at 57600 (maybe 115200,
> but I doubt it).  Many of the newer high speed modems ca use this
> rate.

Right, from computer to modem, but from modem to modem? Hmmm...
<X>

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   | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us ]
From: system@micromed.com (Duane Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: 1.65 quits queueing outside mail ??
Date: 21 Aug 92 04:35:17 GMT
Organization: Micro-Medic  - +1 408 279 5240 - Public Access

rkf@wildrose.infoserv.com (Ray Fink) writes:
> the List/Edit/Save/Headers/Quit, selecting Save, I get an
> error message "Abnormal program termination"  Waffle keeps running,
> but the mail doesn't get queued, although I get the "(Queued for
> Internet delivery)" <whatever it is> message.

Sounds like a memory shortage. Free up a little more base memory and your
problems should go away.



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               Authorized Waffle beta distribution site.
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From: Alan Millar <amillar@bolis.SF-Bay.org>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: TRUNCATED BATCH(es)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 22:12:17 PST
Organization: The Bolis Group, San Jose, CA

fenner@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (William C Fenner) writes:

> In article <0u3TPB2w165w@willard.UUCP> dawson@willard.UUCP writes:
> >I interpret these (and others within the document) entries to mean:
> >
> >  1)  A line is actually to be terminated by <CR><LF>.
> 
> Only in the context of SMTP.
> 
> >  2)  There are no restrictions on what is in the content of the message
> >      body, other than it may be one or more lines containing ASCII chars.
> 
> This is true, according to the RFC.  However, general usage (which counts
> for a lot in the Internet world) is <80 character, lf-seperated lines,
> at least when stored locally or transferred via UUCP.

There are many RFCs which are applicable and helpful here.  The most
recent interesting one is RFC 1361, MIME.
 
> >  1)  Is this the latest RFC with regard to Internet email?
> 
> Yes, but it sure doesn't tell the whole story.  RFC1123 has a few
> clarifications.

That makes the answer "no", not yes.  There are a dozen mail-related
RFCs since 822.  OK, maybe half-dozen.

MANDATORY READING:  RFC-976 is specifically about UUCP mail.
 
> >  2)  Do either of us really care, as neither of us is likely to implement a
> >      alternative Internet email messaging program?  Except, of course, to
> >      evaluate software that we may use...

Well, this issue was brought up because something didn't work, right?
Sounds like it is time to care....
 
> That's another point -- RFC's only apply to the Internet.  Since UUCP
> connection != Internet, you can't point to an RFC and expect it to apply.

This reasoning is why so many gateways don't work.  If everyone followed 
the RFCs in places where they are appropriate, we wouldn't have so many 
unreliable mail systems.

The RFCs most very definitely apply to all UUCP mail systems which at
some point may want to talk to an Internet site.  If you DON'T use
any domain names, only use bang paths, use NO headers, and never
think about communicating with any Internet site, then don't worry
about the RFCs.  Alternatively, if you do use domain names or headers
or MIME encoding or most other mail features, but don't really care
if it works or not, don't worry about the RFCs.

- Alan

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    (Remember: only YOU can prevent bang paths)         =___/  
But Moses said "Oh, Lord, please send someone else to do it." -Exo. 4:13
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
From: ralphs@halcyon.com
Subject: Re: Login Disabled (captive mode)
Originator: ralphs@halcyon.com
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:24:55 GMT


In <2cgDPB1w165w@salzo.Cary.NC.US> tom@salzo.Cary.NC.US (Tom Salzmann) writes:
>When I run locally under 1.65, I get the error "Login Diabled (captive
>mode)" when I type the LOGIN command.  I greped the docs and don't see 
>why my power user id (level 9, sysop, etc) should be in captive mode.
>Comments?

Works the same way here.  It appears the thinking might be that since
you are in local mode, that you can exit and log back in under a 
different name, or fire up another DESQview window.
From: fenner@cmf.nrl.navy.mil (William C Fenner)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: bbstevie or fsed over COM for waffle ?
Date: 17 Aug 92 13:50:08 GMT
Organization: NRL Connection Machine Facility, Washington, DC

In article <yn7ma8f.garyng@netcom.com> garyng@netcom.com (gary ) writes:
>I have the _editor set up exactly like that, and I can run it locally. But
>if login through modem dialin, it just get locked with nothing show up (at
>the remote terminal). Do I have to run CTTY or what ?

No, you don't have to run CTTY.  Do you have ANSI.SYS or some clone thereof
installed?  Whenever I've tried to run with ANSI.SYS, Waffle's redirection
started failing.  I started using ANSI.COM from PC Magazine, and only loading
it when necessary, and things are much hipper now.  You might want to try
that.

  Bill
-- 
Bill Fenner                  fenner@cmf.nrl.navy.mil
From: Ralph Sims <ralphs@remote.halcyon.com>
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: bbstevie or fsed over COM for waffle ?
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 09:36:32 PDT
Organization: Halcyon's Remote

garyng@netcom.com (gary ) writes:

> I have the _editor set up exactly like that, and I can run it locally. But
> if login through modem dialin, it just get locked with nothing show up (at
> the remote terminal). Do I have to run CTTY or what ?

No, but DON'T run ANSI with remote editors, generally speaking.
From: system@precipice.chi.il.us (Vikki Welch)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: TRUNCATED BATCH(es)
Keywords: DOS 1.65b10
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 09:23:47 CDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Welch Research

vikki@precipice.chi.il.us (Victoria Welch) writes:

[much deleted for brevity]
> > >
> > > 26-Jul-92 11:29 < rnews >  | rnews: TRUNCATED BATCH, wanted 1207, got 119
> > >
> > > 26-Jul-92 23:58 < rnews >  | rnews: TRUNCATED BATCH, wanted 3157, got 315
> > > ....
> > I have the same problem.  In my case though, I DO NOT believe it is
> > my batching source.  I am also open to suggestions for solutions.
>
>   Frusterating as I think that I miss responses to questions I have
> posted.  At any rate, I'll let you know what I find out.

Hi Again,

  I finally got a response back from my feed on the problem and it
appears that out of the considerable number of sites he is feeding of
all ilks of unix, etc.  I am the only one having the problem with
truncated batches.

  I don't have a clue as to what could be causing it, the docs haven't
shown anything that would help - maybe I am just looking for the wrong
keywords.  It doesn't happen all that often but it is usually (not
always) off by 2 on the count.  I find it hard to believe that the
UUCP g protocol that we are using (and has been around forever) would
let something like that happen.  I suppose that the other side of the
coin is that I have had zmodem transfers crap out also, but it is a
VERY rare occurance.  I am going to go look for some books on UUCP
networking that might shed some light on the issue.

  Well, maybe someone else can shed some light on the subject.
From: cnb@cnbisis.lerctr.org (Nelson Baird)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle 1.65 and BNU 1.70, and so forth.
Keywords: Waffle 1.65, BNU 1.70, V.32bis
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 11:49:09 CDT
Organization: ISIS, Inc, Ferris TX

moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us writes:

> stu@valinor.mythical.com (Stu Labovitz) writes:
> 
> > First,  I tried setting a dialers/systems entry combination such that I
> > would have my V.32bis/V.42bis modem call out at 57,600 bps.  I am using
> > BNU 1.70, and set it for a locked port at 57600 -- no problems here.  The
> > /waffle/static file was set for a SPEED of 57600, as well as LOCKED at the
> > same speed.  However, when I tried to run uucico, it complained with the
> > following message:
> >                     Speed unsupported by driver: 57600
> 
> I may be confused, but I don't believe there is such a baud rate available
> on a modem yet. You need to set your driver rate for 19,200 or 14,400 (MAX)
> and with compression (setup by your AT string), THEN you get the SIMULATED
> rate of 57,600 (compressed thru-put). 57,600K is merely a dream.. they're
> just know working on 28,800K
> 
> <X>orcist
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________________________________
>    |       /         |\
>    | H E   \ Y B E R |/ E N       [ moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us ]

I run a Telebit World-blazer.  It supports DTE speeds up to 115200 and 
under some conditions throughput up to 70,000bps.  I frequently get 
effective throuput of 2600+ bytes per second.  I have run at DTE of 
115200 for a few days.  I the messed something up.  I am now running at 
DTE of 57600 till I get time to find and fix the problem... 

So  "57600 is a VERY valid speed."


 Thanks,
 C. Nelson Baird
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From: clubzen.fidonet.org!work!mwallis
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Polling a site with work queued
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 14:47:05 PDT
Organization: Michael at work

gordon@pinetree.org (Gordon Dewis) writes:

> bob@1776.COM (Robert Coe) writes:
> 
> > Is there a way to specify, either in the SYSTEMS file or in the uucico call
> > that you want to poll a specific site if and only if it has work queued?  I
> 
> Try this in your batchfiles:
> 
> if exist c:\spool\foo\*.cmd then uucico -s foo
> You could also do this:
> 
> if exist c:\spool\foo\*.cmd then goto PollFoo
> goto Somewhereelse
> :PollFoo
> uucico -s foo
> uuxqt
> batch

Come now ... for 'Elegance' try:

REM   Poll.Bat
@echo off
SET POLL=
if exist c:\waffle\spool\system1\*.cmd SET POLL=system1,
if exist c:\waffle\spool\system2\*.cmd SET POLL=%poll%system2,
if exist c:\waffle\spool\system3\*.cmd SET POLL=%poll%system3,
if exist c:\waffle\spool\system4\*.cmd SET POLL=%poll%system4,
if '%poll%==' goto end
uucico -s %poll%
uuxqt
batch
:end
SET POLL=

For 'Simplicity', just use:     uucico -s any

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clubzen.fidonet.org!work!mwallis (Michael Wallis)
From: cybapunk@hovel.welly.gen.nz (Phil Ross)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: Waffle 1.65 and BNU 1.70, and so forth.
Keywords: Waffle 1.65, BNU 1.70, V.32bis
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 16:16:03 +1200
Distribution: World
Organization: The Hovel Bulletin Board System

moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us writes:

> I may be confused, but I don't believe there is such a baud rate available
> on a modem yet. You need to set your driver rate for 19,200 or 14,400 (MAX)
> and with compression (setup by your AT string), THEN you get the SIMULATED
> rate of 57,600 (compressed thru-put). 57,600K is merely a dream.. they're
> just know working on 28,800K
> 
> <X>orcist

You're confused!

Data still has to be sent to the modem at 57600, which is why you lock it
at that speed and let hardware handshaking handle overflows, and the modem
do the compression.

But you are right.  57,600K is merely a dream, because 57,600K is
57,600,000 baud.  But I think you meant 57.6k.

--
cybapunk@hovel.welly.gen.nz    X Phil Ross
cybapunk@tornado.welly.gen.nz  X Sysop of The Hovel BBS
cybapunk@sideways.welly.gen.nz X Author of Lords And Ladies, _THE_ BBS door!
From: jlaiho@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Waffle 1.65 availability in Finland
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:10:53 GMT
Followup-To: comp.bbs.waffle
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <71013@apple.Apple.COM>, dell@apple.com (Thomas E. Dell) writes:
> Waffle 1.65 was released on 3 AUG 92, and is now
> available in a bunch of places.
> 
In Finland those places include (but are not limited to):

By ftp:
nic.funet.fi: /pub/msdos/bbs/waffle/waf165.zip


By modem (USR v32bis/HST DS):
ichaos.nullnet	+358-0-506-1836
  In Finland accessible also via Diana-network: 9102-0-506-1836
  /usr/files/msdos/waffle/waf165.zip


Juha Laiho/jlaiho@cc.Helsinki.FI
From: eric%erix@uunet.uu.net (Eric Cafritz)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: 1.65 quits queueing outside mail ??
Keywords: memory loadhigh DOS 5
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:55:24 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Erix Remote

rkf@wildrose.infoserv.com (Ray Fink) writes:

> Running v1.65, everything was working ok.  Suddenly (no system
> changes that I can think of) any mail to other systems, via my
> smarthost, no longer queues up.  On leaving the editor, after
> the List/Edit/Save/Headers/Quit, selecting Save, I get an
> error message "Abnormal program termination"  Waffle keeps running,
> but the mail doesn't get queued, although I get the "(Queued for
> Internet delivery)" <whatever it is> message.
> 
> The mail message appears normally in the \spool\outbox directory,
> but the spool directory for my smarthost doesn't get any of the
> .dat/.xqt/.cmd entries.
> 
> If I use rmail from the dos prompt, outgoing mail queues up properly.
> 
> What gives?  Bit rot???
> 
> -- Ray
> 

If you are loading Waffle under DOS 5 using the loadhigh command
you are running out of memory when waffle tries to run the rmail
program from within Waffle.  Maybe this also happens with other
memory managers.  Try running Waffle without loading it high and
your problem should be solved.  Mine was.

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Eric Cafritz {uunet, attmail}!erix!eric or 100022.10@compuserve.com
From: jholmes@mcb.com (jim holmes)
Newsgroups: comp.bbs.waffle
Subject: Re: 1.65 quits queueing outside mail ??
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 22:24:12 EDT
Organization: Message Center

rkf@wildrose.infoserv.com (Ray Fink) writes:

> Running v1.65, everything was working ok.  Suddenly (no system
> changes that I can think of) any mail to other systems, via my
> smarthost, no longer queues up.  On leaving the editor, after
> the List/Edit/Save/Headers/Quit, selecting Save, I get an
> error message "Abnormal program termination"  Waffle keeps running,
> but the mail doesn't get queued, although I get the "(Queued for
> Internet delivery)" <whatever it is> message.
> 
> The mail message appears normally in the \spool\outbox directory,
> but the spool directory for my smarthost doesn't get any of the
> .dat/.xqt/.cmd entries.
> 
> If I use rmail from the dos prompt, outgoing mail queues up properly.

When this started happing to me it was due to low memory. Try adding SHROOM.EXE.
-jlh

jim holmes is jholmes@mcb.com or {whatever!}uunet!mcb!jholmes
Message Center of Hartford, CT
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Xref: sparky comp.groupware:713 comp.infosystems:420
From: eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert)
Subject: Re: Article - Behind the Terminal
Organization: Twin Sun, Inc
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 02:56:34 GMT

kling@ics.uci.edu (Rob Kling) writes:

>Contemporary approaches to systems analysis ignore the importance
>of computing infrastructure -- the kinds of resources necessary
>for making computerized system workable and effective.

That's utter nonsense, of course.  System analysts spend much of their
time worrying about computing resources and infrastructure.  I spent
some time reading Kling's article, and I think I know where he went astray.

If some nearby software developer asked me what kind of environment I
used today, I'd probably say something like ``I used GNU and X11R5 tools
under SunOS 4.1.2 on a network of Suns''.  Now, there's a lot of context
behind that statement, but since I'm talking to another software
developer, I don't have to spell it out.  It's a mistake to criticize my
explanation because it ignores my computing infrastructure: the other
developer already knows the context of the discussion, and it would be a
waste of time for both of us for me to go into the gory details.

Similarly, it's a mistake to criticize system analysts who don't
consciously apply social theories to the problem of analyzing computing
systems.  Analysts omit social context when it's convenient, but that
doesn't mean they're unaware of the context -- it only means that they
have better things to do than write lengthy dissertations on subjects
that are obvious to their audiences.

Kling presents no evidence that his models are better than other ad hoc
frameworks for describing the social context of computing.  I'm not
saying that system analysts never make mistakes, or that they always know
their computing milieu; far from it!  But Kling's theories won't give
them any insights that they don't have already.
Newsgroups: comp.groupware,comp.infosystems
From: lloyd@janus.jhuapl.edu (Lloyd Taylor)
Subject: Re: Clarification re. Behind the Terminal
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
Date: 15 Aug 92 00:19:31 GMT

Are the two papers mentioned available in postscript format?

-- Lloyd Taylor
From: kling@ics.uci.edu (Rob Kling)
Subject: Re: Article - Behind the Terminal
In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 14 Aug 92 02:56:34 +0000.
             <bjgP^u#d@twinsun.com>
Newsgroups: comp.groupware
Date: 14 Aug 92 03:40:00 GMT

Dear Paul,

Thanks for your very speedy reading and comments on my long article.

I agree with your comment re. talk in organizations between
peers. However, I'm discussing
writings/theories of systems analysis  and
the talk between computer profesionals and end usersi as much as
the practice/talk of systems analysts with their peers.

Few of the books that I know about systems analysis take infrastructure
into account -- and this is especially true of the texts which are
used in university courses. I cite the better books, which I know of,
in my article.

I am very interested in any pointers which you can give to
books and articles about how to do systems analysis which
examine infrastructure and context  as key features
of a systems environment.

/Rob


Newsgroups: comp.groupware
From: gilberte@media.mit.edu (Gilberte Houbart)
Subject: Textnet, Cognoter,...and the representation of conflicting opinions
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 23:21:51 GMT


I am interested in recent (older are fine too) references to
interactive systems for representing different point of views and
opinions. Multimedia applications are even better. This is NOT
intended to be used in the context of groupware. I plan to develop an
authoring tool for developing interactive documentaries and reporting
news with interviews presenting different views on a same topic. I try
to explore how much I can learn from what has been done in a different
context.

In particular I am looking for contacts and papers about Argnoter and
Cognoter. I have one reference to Textnet (R.Trigg's PhD thesis). I
want to understand the details of how they work and the user
interface. So if you know of anyone working on Colab...

Being able to try the programs or get a demo would be nice but it's
probably difficult. 

Thanks!

Gilberte
Newsgroups: comp.groupware,comp.infosystems