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From: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Apple 14" monitor - looks like 13" area
Date: 7 Nov 1992 20:25:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke)
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In a previous article, duncan@loris.cisab.indiana.edu (Shan Duncan) says:

>
>  We just got the apple 14" monitor.  However, when we put it next to
>    the old 13" the viewing area looked to be exactly the same.  In
>    fact when we looked at the docs - it said it was a 13" picture tube.
>
>
> so why would one buy the new 14" over the old 13" ?  And does it
>   really have an extra inch?
>
 The 14" is the 13" and the 13" is the 14"- get it? <grin> Actually, the
Apple 13" and 14" ARE the same sized "tube". Apple for some reason measured
its tube differently than the rest of the industry, so this time Apple
decided (to help clear up confusion) to call it 14". Why get the 14"? Well
there are some very good reasons:

1) Tilt/swivel base. 13" doesn't have one- only as option.
2) Lower ELF emissions- 13" is good, but 14" is better.
3) Lower power consumption- the 13" is a power monger, not the 14"
4) Redesigned circuitry- should result in far fewer failures than 13" had.
5) Better picture tube- 14" uses an updated Sony Trinitron tube
6) Sharper, brighter, clearer than 13"
7) Automatic degaussing on powerup
8) Drastically lower price- $550-$589 at most dealers.

The 14" is a superior monitor to the 13", but 13"s are now at $400 or so to
clear them out, so you might wanna go for yone of those as well.
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From: ggw@wolves.uucp (Gregory G. Woodbury)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Mac Tape Archiver Recommendations Wanted.
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:18:38 GMT
Reply-To: ggw@wolves.durham.nc.us
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Organization: Wolves Den UNIX
X-Md4-Signature: 53e260ee584c05d19a8bd2e5cab0fd2e

We have an older Mac II that has a rather newer 140MB hard drive and an
external Micropolis 690 drive.  The 690 is developing some problems, and
I need to be able to back up the drive before I take it and reformat and
re-install.

I'd like some recommendations for high-capacity storage tape backups for
the Mac series.  The preference would be for a system that could be
moved from Mac to mac for regular backup use.  The environment consists
of Mac LCs (running 6.0.8) to Mac IIs (6.0.8 and 7.0.1) to Powerbooks
(160 - 7.0.1) to a Quadra 900 (7.0.1+)

Thanks for any information.
-- 
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From: erin@otago.ac.nz
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: LS vs. NTR
Date: 6 Nov 92 01:35:56 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

>>>>Quality-wise, how would a Personal LaserWriter LS with Freedom of the Press
>>>>(or some similar utility) running compare with the NTR.  I know that the NTR
>>>>would be lots faster, but if the quality coming out of the LS is comparable,
>>>>speed isn't that much of a factor for me.

Depending on your applications, you may not even need Freedom of the Press to
get comparable output. Do you need postscript capability in particular? FotP
will only be useful for applications that know how to drive postscript
printers, but not how to produce the same quality on the PLW LS. For example
Microsoft Word 4.0 doesn't know how to draw high resolution rotated text or
hairlines on the LS. An application like Canvas 3 is capable of producing
almost identical output on both printers. 

The LS can not do (true) greyscale pictures (and I doubt FotP will help!), I
don't know whether the NTR does greyscales or not.

...
>>>The NTR is a PostScript (level 2?) printer. The LS is a bit mapper.
>>>That means a (45 degree angle) line is printed as a smooth line on the NTR 
>>>but the LS would print a staircase of rectangular dots.
...
>>Sorry, thats wrong. 
>>I have had a PLW LS before I upgraded to the NTR.
...
> Sorry, but I'm right.

Sorry, but you're wrong, and again the physical evidence proves it!  I also
have a PLW LS, and as long as the application doing the printing knows what to
do, the output is almost identical to a more expensive postscript printer.
However the PLW LS is a dumb printer, the program from which you are printing
has to know how to draw your picture right down to the last ink dot. Many
programs do not know how to print rotated text for example, so it gets
bitmapped at low resolution (since they know how to do that for the screen
image) and it looks awful on the printout! The same program could tell a smart
postscript printer to print rotated text, and the printer knows how to do a
beautiful job. The postscript printer also has a number of fonts built in,
which is how it can print them nicely even though you don't have them on your
mac. The LS relies on your Mac and application knowing how to draw the font.

For run-of-the-mill text and graphics, the only difference I am aware of
between the printers is speed, and depending on the printer, perhaps a tiny
quality difference. For more sophisticated work, I dunno. I bought the LS
because it was cheaper and I couldn't see any significant advantages to
postscript, since TrueType supplies the scalable fonts. 

--  
John Gee                        erin@otago.ac.nz (Internet) 
Dunedin, New Zealand            "Program until you drop!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: Eric.Choi@zeus.ieee.org (Eric Choi)
Subject: IIci-->Quadra 700 Upgrade
Organization: IEEE Service Center, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 00:24:20 GMT

I am curious about anyone who have their IIci's upgraded to a Quadra 700. Do
you feel the money charged is worth it for the performance gain? Or someone
who went a different route and added a DayStar PowerCache or Radius Rocket to
their IIci's. Likes and dislikes?

Thank you in advance,
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: howie@intermec.com (Howard Kaplan x1696)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Sound chip in IIvx is a drawback to machine
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:02:26 GMT
Reply-To: howie@intermec.com (Howard Kaplan x1696)
Organization: Intermec Corporation, Everett WA

In article <1992Nov9.034100.19658@cc.umontreal.ca> tsirbasc@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Tsirbas Christos) writes:
>Allan Levy writess:
>________________________
>I wonder if anyone at apple can explain why the sound chip used in the IIvx
>couldn't be stereo!  I don't see why the "new multimedia macintosh" can
>only play sounds in mono whereas the rest of the macintosh family can play
>sounds in stereo--even the discontinued ones (SE/30).
>________________________
>
>The only mono-Macs in production prior to the introduction of the IIvx were
>the Classics (I & II) and the LC's, but now, according to Apple Product info
>the IIsi and the IIci (which once had stereo output), have mono-output.
>






I am looking at the two page Apple ad for the vx.  To quote "to take full
advantage of the STEREO-OUT sound capabilites, plug in your own pair of
self-powered speakers - and get the most out of ththis great multimedia
Macintosh."

I have no problem with not being able to get at the digital stream (for
software manipulation) coming from the CD (audio or CD ROM), but I sure would
expect the sound to play stereo.  Anyone out there have a vx that can confirm
what is really in the beast?


Howard Kaplan








Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: d88-sli@dront.nada.kth.se (Stefan Lindmark)
Subject: Re: where are the PB 180's?
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
	<D88-SLI.92Nov9131615@dront.nada.kth.se>
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:09:34 GMT

Yesterday I contacted the Order Department of Apple Sweden, where a
guy told me that they didnt have the faintest idea of when the PB180s
would arrive. He kindly asked me to call back at the end of this
month, at the time of which they would know (probably) when they would
arrive.

Today, suddenly, my dealer tells me: "Late December, but I wouldnt rely
on it to 100%"

After having heard rumours ranging from "Low production capacity",
"Certain configurations are delayed" to "Screen problems" I got a
report from Apple Sweden saying "Lacking components". I wonder what
the next excuse will be :-)

Hmm... Maybe Ill just cancel my PB and buy a SparcBook instead...

	Stefan
--
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Smedbyvagen 40, 184 32 Akersberga, Sweden. Phone: +46 764 63864
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: kim@inquis.enet.dec.com
Subject: Internal hardware maintainence
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 20:22:05 GMT


I recently opened up my IIsi (due to all the hubub about the IIsi upgrade).
When I did, I was surprised by the large quantities of dust within!
This does not seem like a good thing and may help contribute to the ailing
speaker/power light connection problem.  I've also been experiencing
the sad mac face syndrome occasionally too.  Questions:

1. How does one clean the internal hardware?  Am I supposed to buy a special
vacuum of some sort?
2. I wanted to check what kind of RAM chips I was using (no indication that
they were 80 or 100ns).  What's the way to tell?

Howard 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: guiyu@spectra.eng.hawaii.edu (Kui Yu Chang)
Subject: Re: GCC WriteMove II printer
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 08:33:46 GMT

I was considering this printer BEFORE but I was scared by the cost of the
printer cartridge ribbon.
	TYPE				CAN PRINT	COST	
	Single-strike ribbons		25 pages	$7
	Multi-strike ribbons		FORGOT		FORGOT

The Multi-strike seem to be cheaper in terms of capacity/price but I was told
by the sales rep that Single-strike is the ONE that CAN give you Laser quality.
That's the 2 cents I've got.

							Sincerely yours,
							Julian CHANG
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: scott@origin.life.uiuc.edu (Scott Howard)
Subject: Re: 16" Monitor on a vx with Apple 8*24 Card
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:01:03 GMT

Envisio DOES make a 16-bit board for up to 16 inch monitors-
however, it is for the LC slot.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: jens@seas.gwu.edu (Jens Johansen)
Subject: Re: Theory on IIsi upgrade failure
Keywords: IIsi, 25mhz, upgrade
Organization: George Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:00:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.065153.23335@leland.Stanford.EDU> thorn@leland.Stanford.EDU (Shannon Lee Thornburg) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.060708.5264@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> wrast@nyx.cs.du.edu
> (Winston MacKenzie Rast) writes:
>>...I have an opinion on why some IIsi's
>>might be failing...
>>...to me it would seem that if your IIsi did NOT have 80ns or faster simms
>>installed in it, the upgrade would not work. 
>
>
>Nice try, but it was the first thing I thought of also.  I tried two sets of
>SIMMs in my IIsi after the upgrade:  the original 512kB SIMMs that are clearly
>labeled '80ns' on the back, and a set of 4MB SIMMs which I guess from the
>numbers on the chips are also 80ns.
>
>The upgrade failed to work with either set of SIMMs.  In fact, with the
>original Apple 80ns SIMMs the problems were much worse.
>
>-- Shannon Thornburg
>

Ah yes, but remember that there are RAM chips soddered onto the motherboard
of a IIsi.  I don't really know a lot about these things, but are they rated
for a particular speed?  Could it be possible that early IIsi's have 100ns
chips--or at least slower chips than later ones, and that this could be
causing the failure, while later IIsi's had faster chips and work?

I hope I'm not talking crap here, but I'm sure you all will let me know
if I am.  Anyhow, I wanted to toss this one out as a theory that I personally
hope will be discredited, mine being a fairly early IIsi...

A question to those of you who have done the upgrade:

I have a Fax/Modem/Voice mail system running on my IIsi so it stays on
virtually all the time.  Is it inadvisable for my to run my IIsi at 25MHz
on a 24 hour a day basis given the power/heat concerns some participants
in this discussion have had?

Anyhow, to those who have had the guts to try this, more power to you,
and to those that have failed, keep at it!  A man who never makes mistakes
never makes anything...

Jens

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Shakey Apple Monitors....
From: zaphod@vax2.winona.msus.edu (Gregory Talmo)
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:53:49 -0600
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Distribution: world
Organization: Winona State Academic Computing

In article <1992Nov12.225812.1689@osf.org>, drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas
S. Rand) wrote:
> 
> |> Another problem with monitors, if this topic has already been addressed in  
> |> postings, please forward that info to me via e-mail. Thank you very much!
> |> 
> |> The problem is with a shakey image on Apple's 13 Monitor. The image is  
> |> shakey, almost to the point of giving you a headache sometimes. There does  
> |> not appear to be any magnetic cause, or other environmental cause. The  
> |> machines are in a cluster, and only some are affected, and those appear to  
> |> be random. Anyone else had this problem? Is it a problem with the  
> |> monitors? Thanks in advance...

  Are the minitors sitting on top of the Macs that they are attached to? 
If so try taking them off, it might do the trick.   Doing this on a
collegue's (sp?) machine sloved the shimmy problem right away.

- Greg Talmo  (zaphod@vax2.winona.msus.edu)
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From: werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: IIcx upgrade advice needed
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Date: 6 Nov 1992 22:33:33 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley School of Education
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.32.157.31

I'm finally thinking of upgrading my ancient IIcx at home, and I need some
advice on how to do it.  I'm a developer, so compatibility is important; I
tend to use the latest (or even prerelease) system software and development
tools.  I can think of three possible ways to upgrade it:

1) Quadra 700 upgrade from Apple
   Pros: Fast.  68040.  Compatible.  Nice fast onboard video.
   Cons: EXPENSIVE!  At UC's prices, it's about $2900.  Developer price is
         about $2500.

2) Radius Rocket 25 or 33
   Pros: Fast.  68040.
   Cons: I've heard about compatibility problems.  I'll need to buy more
         memory.

3) DayStar PowerCache 50 (with coprocessor?)
   Pros: cheap (around $1200).   Apparently fewer compatibility problems.
   Cons: 68030.  ???

Does anyone have any more options about these three options, or any new
ideas for an upgrade?  I'd also appreciate any Speedometer results from
people with any of these configurations.  What would _you_ do?

Thanks.

--
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: palane@iastate.edu (Paul A. Lane)
Subject: Re: Memory Upgrade for Mac SE
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:25:04 GMT

In <lg5j1hINN1tc@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> yvonne@archer.Eng.Sun.COM () writes:


>My sister wants to upgrade the memory on her
>plain Mac SE.  However, when she investigated
>the upgrade, the sales person said she
>would have to do a complete upgrade (5 megs) instead
>of a partial upgrade (3 megs).

No. Your sister has 4 256KB SIMMs installed in her SE (with four SIMM slots).
A partial upgrade consists of 2 1MB SIMMs which replace two of the 256KB
SIMMs, bring her total memory to 2.5 MB. A complete memory upgrade replaces
all four 256KB SIMMs with 1MB SIMMs, bringing her to 4MB. Without a special
board and software, an SE cannot have more than 4MB of memory.

>Is this true?  If so, why?

The salesman must have been confused. An SE/30 has 8 SIMM slots in two banks
of four. EAch bank must have all its slots filled with the same size SIMM.
Thus, an SE/30 can have 1MB (4 256KB SIMMs + 4 empty slots)
                        2MB (all 8 slots filled with 256KB SIMMs)
                        5MB (4 256KB SIMMs + 4 1MB SIMMs)
                     or 8MB (all 8 slots filled with 1MB SIMMs)

>Thanks,

>Yvonne Tornatta

No problemo. 

Paul
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: mauricio		@vaxrio.enet.dec.com (Mauricio P. Henriques)
Subject: Using Apple 13" HiRes Monitor on a PC notebook
Keywords: 13" HiRes Monitor
Organization: 	Digital Equipment do Brasil - Rio de Janeiro
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:24:43 GMT

	I'm buying a PC notebook and I'd like to use my Apple 13" monitor on it
while at home. Is it possible? What about the cable pinout for that?

Thanks for the help !

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: C604223@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Cho Chuen Wong)
Subject: Re: SIMM installation IIsi
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 02:02:54 CST

In article <1992Nov10.020320.25491@athena.mit.edu>
brainiac@athena.mit.edu (Jack I Fu) writes:
 
>
>I have a Mac IIsi that has 4 MB on the motherboard and 4 256KB
>SIMMs in the 4 RAM banks for a total of 5 MB. I recently took
>those 4 256KB SIMMs out of the sockets and installed 4 1MB SIMMs.
>However, when I restarted the computer, the "About the Macintosh..."
>window still shows 5 MB! Am I missing something? Do I need to "set"
>some switch or something? Why isn't the Mac recognizing the new
>SIMMs rated at 80ns? Please help. Thanks.
 
Are you sure you have 4mb on the motherboard.  As far as I know, there is only
1mb soldered on the board.  May be you have just exchange 4 1mb SIMMs with
another set of 1mb SIMMs.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
From: mdong@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Michael Russell Dong)
Subject: Re: Apple 14" monitor - looks like 13" area
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 92 05:14:09 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly State Univ,CSC Dept,San Luis Obispo,CA 93407

In article <BxD3Br.Dn8@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> duncan@loris.cisab.indiana.edu (Shan Duncan) writes:
>
>  We just got the apple 14" monitor.  However, when we put it next to
>    the old 13" the viewing area looked to be exactly the same.  In
>    fact when we looked at the docs - it said it was a 13" picture tube.
>
>
> so why would one buy the new 14" over the old 13" ?  And does it
>   really have an extra inch?
>
>
>       

You'd buy the 14" for these reasons: It's brighter, lighter, somewhat smaller, newer, and has a built in tilt swivel base.

On the other hand....It does not have a manual degauss button...Either the power cord or interface cord is not detachable....It costs more than a liquidated 13"...and no, you don't get an extra inch.  They use the same size tube.  Apple was just being honest when they said 13" RGB monitor.  The designation 14" is just a marketing thing....(14" tube but you only get to see 13" of it).


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From: Norbert.E.Nez@dartmouth.edu (Norbert E. Nez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject: Mac Classic II expansion?
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:22:10 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

Hello,
  I recently bought a classic II and I'm wondering what upgrade options
there are for this machine.  Does anyone out there have any info or
experiences with this same situation?  I'm concerned more about
possible additional monitors (preferably color) or with additional
add-on cards that may be available.  The documentation that came with
the machine is not specific enough and I've been looking all over for
any sort of technical info on the subject.  Any replies would be
appreciated.

since I often don't have time to read through all the messages on here,
could you please E-MAIL responses to :
metal@Dartmouth.edu

thanks!
  --Rob

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From: jle@world.std.com (Joe M Leonard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: PB 100 20Mb Disk Drives Noisy?
Date: 5 Nov 92 06:50:12 GMT
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

I purchased a PB100 in September, and today I noticed that the hard
drive makes a LOT of noise, sounding like a noisy bearing (NOT something
I'd expect to hear in a new machine, etc.).  Is this something that
I've just not heard before, or is there a hint of trouble.  Since I
hope that several owners read this newsgroup, what's up?

Is there IS a problem, have dealers been responsive in switching drives,
or accepting the machine back?

Joe Leonard
jle@world.std.com
From: mlbizer@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Marc Bizer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: Re: Problem with PB170 ???
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:21:34 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at Austin
X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
X-XXMessage-ID: <A722C2DD4201B989@slip-37.ots.utexas.edu>
X-XXDate: Sun, 8 Nov 92 19:13:01 GMT

Hi,
	   I've had problems with my PB 170 since I purchased it in mid-August.
Weird disk problems (invalid volume info, applications quitting
unexpectedly in a random fashion) which Apple and my local dealer
attributed to software incompatibilities were eventually traced to a bad
hard disk, but I'm still having problems with software becoming corrupted
and causing applications to quit unexpectedly. The PB 170 is great if it
works, but I've begun to think fondly of my reliable old SE with 1 MB of
RAM. I'd try to get the 180, if I were you; hardware and software are
similar in that manufacturers inevitably fix problems in later versions
(although they also tend to introduce new ones). 
	I'd appreciate hearing from other people whose 170s have been less than
reliable. Someone on the net mentioned that his PB 100 had never failed
him, while his friend's 170 had broken down no less than 7 times!
     Yours truly,
	   Marc Bizer (mlbizer@bongo.cc.utexas.edu)