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From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: SCV's New Director (was Drum Corps Alias? and Read me, I have Information)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 16:32:29 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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In article <17247747@um.cc.umich.edu> R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu writes:
> 
>I thought that's who Brian meant.  He's a guard and m&m man who
>worked with Stanley Knaub (check spelling) at the Seattle Imperials
>about 1980 (I think).  I wouldn't put it past him to ditch the
>cymbal line (the best in drum corps, IMGO) so that it wouldn't
 ^^^^^^^^^^^
>upstage his precious guard.  I hope he knows good horn men--I
>suspect he doesn't know much about bugling and drumming.
> 
> 
>Vince

I heard the exact same thing from Nick Angelas after he talked to the drum
head from SCV (Scott Johnson?).  For that reason and others, Nick and their
section leader Chip somebody will not be returning.  That is going to hurt
the line loosing 2 good players who they were expecting to return.  I've 
also heard that the new head wants to _CUT_THE_DRUM_LINE'S_SIZE_ to get more
horn players.  This sounds like a really bad idea, but since they didn't 
ask me :), I'll just wait to see what they are like next season.
--David


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From: bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag)
Subject: Re: Possible Shows for 93
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:50:14 GMT

cogwynn@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:

>Well some preliminary reports that I have heard say that Cavaliers are
>considering "The Planets" for next year and Santa Clara is considering
>selections from the movie "Far and Away".
>Unconfirmed, but interesting to say the least.
>Anyone else heard anything?

>Chris O'Gwynn

>PS - Anyone else going to the Star camp in November like to meet up?
B

>     Just let me know.

Cavies are doing Heroes Lost and Fallen (middle) and Ron Nelson's Morning
Alleluia (closer).  As of yet they have no opener.

Brian J. Haag
bjh42543@uiuc.edu
bhaag@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Judging
Date: 8 Nov 92 21:53:07 GMT
Organization: Division of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, UC Davis

I just read another posting where someone suggested that 
DCI judges are looking for innovation.  That posting and 
others give me the impression that a component of a
corps' final score depends on "new" their show is.

Is there an official statement of judging policy?  
If so, it should explain all the judging criteria.
I think it would be particularly important to be clear about
this topic.  If the writer of a show wants to win, 
he/she needs to know what kind of advantage or penalty the 
selection of program material will carry with it.

I thought this might be a good time to ask because 
the rules congress is at about this time of year and
I think some sort of judging discussion is also held.

Tom Matthews
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: Royer in Making of Miss Saigon video
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 18:03:41 GMT

Hi!

Has anyone seen the video The Making of Miss Saigon?  I'm wondering 
because I could swear that Gail Royer is in it.  

If you have seen it, I saw him in the part where they are auditioning
the two finalists in the theatre in London.  When the camera panned
the directors and producers in the audience in rehearsals, it looked
like he was in the second row once the camera stopped panning.

If someone has seen it, please post something so I know I am not
a delirious drum corps "enthusiust" (even though I probably am).

If you haven't seen it, it's a great video.

Rob
From: niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Snare Technology
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 10:02:31 EDT
Organization: Heavy Objects R Us
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In article <1992Nov6.020651.16305@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> (alt.drumcorps), flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips) writes:
>what is state of the art these days? i notice that premier and pearl are
>becoming more prevalant, and my old standbys ludwig and slingerland, have
>disappeard... 

For a while, I think, Spirit was the only top 12 corps playing Ludwig.
Thus, even though they were not that great at the time, they got all
sorts of advertising.  They eventually went over to Yamaha, though (I 
think).

Niel

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From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!
Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:50:08 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
Distribution: world
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Originator: fath@mbcrr

In the US ELECTION, VOTERS turned out in RECORD NUMBERS! Why? Because they
felt it was time to make THOUGHTFUL CHOICES on CRITICAL ISSUES.

Today, WE, THE READERS of alt.drumcorps and alt.colorguard, now have the
opportunity to create a NEW HOME for our discussion -- a home that should give
our groups WIDER DISTRIBUTION and GREATER RECOGNITION in the world. I'm
speaking, of course, of the vote for rec.arts.marching.drumcorps and 
rec.arts.marching.misc.

THIS REVOLUTION WILL NOT HAPPEN WITHOUT YOU! Without a RECORD TURNOUT, the
anti-marching forces in the world may DENY us our groups! It's up to ALL OF US
to GET THE VOTE OUT. Here's how to vote:

Clip the ballot from this mesage. Replace the "A" (for "Abstain") in the
ballot with a "Y" (for "Yes!!") to create the groups (or a "N" (for no)) to
not create the groups:

Send your completed ballot to:

		rmm-vote@blackcat.stortek.com

----CUT HERE----------CUT HERE----------CUT HERE----------CUT HERE------

Ballot

rec.arts.marching.drumcorps: A
rec.arts.marching.misc: A

----CUT HERE----------CUT HERE----------CUT HERE----------CUT HERE------

When our vote comes to an end on November 25, will YOU be able to WATCH those
THANKSGIVING PARADES proudly knowing that you DID YOUR PART for the creation
of our new groups? Will you one day be able to tell your GRANDCHILDREN that
YOU WERE THERE at the HISTORIC MOMENT when our groups were created? Or will
you be FORCED to tell them that you COULD have voted but DID NOT?

TELL YOUR FRIENDS, TELL YOUR MARCHING PARTNERS, but, most important:

*VOTE TODAY**VOTE TODAY**VOTE TODAY**VOTE TODAY**VOTE TODAY**VOTE TODAY*
-- 
MM   MM FFFFF 	Michael Fath		fath@mbcrr.harvard.edu
M M M M F	Dept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics
M  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         
M     M F       Boston, MA 02115	*****Clinton/Gore '92*****
From: byork@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Bluecoats
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:53:38 EST
Organization:  Wright State University 

In article <BxMLv3.xB@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke) writes:
> I just heard about the Bluecoats doing "A Night in Tunisia" and am interested
> in hearing Bruce McConnell's arrangement of it.  I've never heard "Night"
> played by more than 15 people, but anything that Bruce arranges sounds good.
> I know, he worked for my old band (Center Grove, Greenwood, IN) for the
> 4 years that I was there.  I loved e what he did with all of our MB
> arrangements, especially our 1990 Barber show.
> 
> Looking forward (as all of us are) to 1993
> 
> Rob Dorocke
            VELVET KNIGHTS PLAYED IT IN 1989.
                                 BARRY
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke)
Subject: Bluecoats
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 23:13:51 GMT

I just heard about the Bluecoats doing "A Night in Tunisia" and am interested
in hearing Bruce McConnell's arrangement of it.  I've never heard "Night"
played by more than 15 people, but anything that Bruce arranges sounds good.
I know, he worked for my old band (Center Grove, Greenwood, IN) for the
4 years that I was there.  I loved e what he did with all of our MB
arrangements, especially our 1990 Barber show.

Looking forward (as all of us are) to 1993

Rob Dorocke
From: greg@antizen (...the printer guy <greg@antizen>)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re:  Drum Corps Alias?
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:59:15 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

>"Fanfare for a New Era"

This really gets me! I never knew this had a name either!

>|>...the printer guy <alas..sigh>


I've been in the computer industry for a long time (part of what I do
deals with printers). I'm currently undergoing a career change into
medicine. Frankly, I've just been here (at Sun Micro) way to long,
thus the <sigh>....

I don't remember Shari by name, sorry. The guard was very standoffish
to the drum line, specifically the snares. 

Playing was the thing. We came to play.

Remember all you snare drummers, technique SECOND, sound good first!

Nice talking with Vince Brad and Mike. Wanna hear an experience
about when I first saw SCV's snare line???

Greg
From: ddm@bigboote.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re:  Drum Corps Alias?
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:29:39 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigboote.wpi.edu

In article <01050023.i7p7ay@chinchilla.cars.com> chinchilla!niel@cars.com writes:
>
>In article <1de545INNd99@bigboote.WPI.EDU> (alt.drumcorps), ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall) writes:
>>I have heard two things regarding SCV for next year.  First, who ever is going
>>to be the corps director wants to get rid of their cymbal line (a real slap
>>in the face of the drum line since SCV's cymbal and bass lines are know for
>>being consistalntly the best).  ...
>
>Cymbal line, yes, but Bass line???  Spirit's Bass line has always
>been the best in my book.
>

I can think of two years that Spirit's bass line was really great.  In '87
because their book had some nutty stuff in it that I still don't see lines
doing, and '88 because we still did some of the same stuff, but our book
sucked.  We had nothing to show ourselves off (except for the nine basses 
for the drum solo).  We were always asking for more parts, but they never
came.

>Niel
>
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--David


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 Spirit '88      |"So get off your butt and ride."      |     _,-~o     |
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From: bignate@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Nathan W. Holland)
Subject: Re: DCI championship rings
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 04:14:40 GMT

Well, I think that nowadays Cadets appearing in individuals is an  
impossibility.  I think maybe one person raised interest in the idea of  
participating, and this person was discouraged.  I only remember "Hoppy"  
remarking on it once all of tour.  So I'd say that if you have any hopes  
of competing in individuals look elsewhere.  Not only is it not Kosher  
with him but I got the feeling when I marched that you did things as a  
group always.  You may notice at shows that if you see a Cadet in uniform,  
that that person is marching next to at least one other person, and more  
than likely they were in step with each other.  Team philosophy is big  
there.  And as Aaron said in one of his posting the kids generally don't  
have the time.  I cannot even imagine attempting it while I marched, sleep  
was precious, and that season, a gym floor was something we walked past  
more often than slept on. unfortunately.  The Cadets tour is  
extensive(mileage), and drill like theirs takes forever to clean.  They  
were "dirty" in Nashville this year when almost everyone else was clean.   
And possibly more then anyone else, they make changes up to finals night.   
We changed our last 9 ending sets(music as well as drill) one week before  
finals in '91.  I think if it was more feasible to do individuals George  
might okay it.  But I'm pretty sure that he is not about to comprimise  
what the entire corps is doing for one or two people, and I can understand  
why in most cases.   I hope this gives a little insight, see ya.

Nate
Cadets '91
Contrabass!!!

P.S. - Has anyone gotten any inside scoops on what the top 25 are doing  
next season and if so could they please pass it along?  Thanks!
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau)
Subject: Re: Special Event Bands
Reply-To: drapeau@sioux.stanford.edu
Organization: Libraries and Information Resources, Stanford University
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:35:23

In article <17148827@um.cc.umich.edu> R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu writes:
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   From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
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   Date: 4 Nov 1992 16:35:35 -0600
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   In article <01050023.hm5g19@chinchilla.cars.com> niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein)
   wrote:

   |>I was in the Constitution band, and I wonder if I've met any of you
   <snip!>
   |>...Art Bartner (?) of some Southern California
   |>school taught the horn line.

"some Southern California school"?!  Ouch, that hurts!

Vince is correct: Art Bartner is from USC.  I'm from USC (working at
Stanford, sure, but you know what they say: you're a Bruin for four
years, but a Trojan for life; sorry, Vince).

Art's a dick.  Total asshole.  I was in the 'SC band one year
(sophomore year, 1983).  The people were great, mostly.  Art was a
major dick.  Still is.  Still, if you can believe it, I had a great
year with the band.

   Art Bartner is the director of the University of Southern California Marching
   Band (known to us Bruins as the u$c Trojan Rubber Band, directed by "Darth"
   Bartner :-).  He was also the director of the LA Olympic Band, along with
   that d**k Gordon Henderson.

Ouch, Vince, that hurts. :-)  I'll try to be civil and not go on with
the anti-Bruin sentiments here (yeah yeah yeah, I know, it's pretty
much impossible for me as a Trojan neanderthal to maintain
self-control, but I promise I'll try).

By the way, I'm betting that the drum instructor for the special event
band(s) was Jay Wanamaker, who works for Yamaha but was percussion
instructor for 'SC some time ago.  Small piece of personal info about
Jay: he has a dog named "Paradiddle".

	George
  
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Stanford University
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From: drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau)
Subject: Re: DCI championship rings
Reply-To: drapeau@sioux.stanford.edu
Organization: Libraries and Information Resources, Stanford University
Date: 7 Nov 92 00:22:45


In article <1992Nov4.011738.10500@vela.acs.oakland.edu> bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:

   ... No one at Blue Devils marched all six
   of the years they won. (Although the guard captain when I was there may
   have marched 5 of them...her name escapes me at the moment).

Laurel Hansen?  I know she was captain in '85, her age-out year, and
she told me she was captain for some time before that (check out the
TV shots of her all over the place in, let's see, '83?  '82?  Damn, I
can't remember and I just saw the tape about three months ago).

Anyway, I met her last year at my old high school's band camp
(Ferndale HS, in Washington State) and talked with her more at this
year's camp.  She spent the past couple of fall season's as the band's
guard caption head.  Great, great person.

So Brad, does that name ring a bell?  Sound right to you?

	George
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Libraries and Information Resources
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From: holt_c@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: Snare Technology
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:10:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.132938.1@d0msu5.fnal.gov>, jerger@d0msu5.fnal.gov writes:
> cranked. When we used them in '88, when Falams were kind of new, Dilullo 
> was always worried about us getting tendonitis and tried to make sure we
> didn't play for too long a stretch without a break. Don't know if any 
> connection ever developed - anyone have comments on the healthiness of
> Falams over a longer period of time?
> 
> 
> 	Steve

In my last two years at BK I had tried out for snare, with the kevlar heads on
the snare.  It was definitely much harder for me to drum on these heads than on
other types.  I would do fairly well throughout the winter camps but I had to
expend much more effort just to play well on these heads.  I did okay until I
received some sort of wrist injury, it would just feel like something had
snapped in my wrist while I was playing.  After that, I lost whatever speed I
had and it just became painful to drum, so I got moved back to the bassline.  

The drumline I'm with now, C.U., uses regular heads.  I don't have much of a
problem playing on these heads, and I can even play better now than when I
marched with B.K.

							Charles Holt
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From: dci@cs.washington.edu (Donald Chinn)
Subject: Re: Judging, Critique
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:33:06 GMT

In article <19017@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> matthews@eecs.ucdavis.edu (Thomas W. Matthews) writes:
>
>I thought this might be a good time to ask because 
>the rules congress is at about this time of year and
>I think some sort of judging discussion is also held.

Actually, the Rules Congress takes place every other year.
The Congress met last December, so there will not be one
this year.  Next December, however, I bet a new judging system
will go into place (which would replace Ensemble Brass with
Ensemble Music with emphasis on Brass, Ensemble Percussion
with Ensemble Music with emphasis on Percussion, and similarly
for the GE captions for brass and percussion) and the electronics
issue will no doubt come up.  According to Gail Royer in an
interview in Drum Corps World, he thinks electronics are just
around the corner.  How soon, I suppose, is a matter of debate.

Concerning the critique ...

In an interview with Jay Kennedy (Chief Administrator of Judges)
in Today's Music Educator, he said that the critique has more or
less turned into a place where the instructional staff tries to
find out what it takes to get that extra 0.1 point.  The intent
of the critique has been perverted to the point of absurdity (in
my opinion).  [For those of you who know my views on these matters,
insert the standard anti-competition statement here :-) ]

I wonder for what percentage of corps (large or small), the critique
turns out to be what it was intended to be (i.e. a place where judges
and corps staff can discuss ideas on how to improve and educate the
corps' performance), rather than a shouting match.  Hopefully, it is
bigger than Kennedy implies, but who knows what "really" goes on.

-- Donald
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From: drapeau@oglala.Stanford.EDU (George Drapeau)
Subject: Using Earplugs (was Re: Snare Technology)
Reply-To: drapeau@sioux.stanford.edu
Organization: Libraries and Information Resources, Stanford University
	<1992Nov8.042551.17641@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
	<1992Nov9.130256.11782@ncsu.edu>
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:06:58

In article <1992Nov9.130256.11782@ncsu.edu> jvbutera@grad04.math.ncsu.edu (Jeffrey V. Butera) writes:

   Has anybody tried to march or at least practice with earplugs?  This may sound
   a little odd, however, I did it for two seasons.  Once you get used to the reduced
   sound level, you can actually hear "better".  IE: I marched cymbals and the sound
   was annoying if not painful at times.  After I got used to earplugs, when the
   snare did any warm-up involving a roll, I could easily point to a single person
   who wasn't with the rest of the line-even if they were pretty close in matching
   the dittles.  It seems the earplugs "weed out" the garbage or misc sound and
   (IMHO) I found I could focus on what I wanted to hear much better....

I wore earplugs during most rehearsals, and generally only took them
out for run-throughs and shows.  It saved my ears big-time.  It took a
little while to get used to the way things sounded (the dynamics were
the toughest to get used to; it's hard to know what forte sounds like
with earplugs on), but after experimenting, I got used to it.  And I
agree with you, Jeff: after you do get used to it, you can hear ticks
better.

The other cool thing about it for me was that when I took off the
earplugs, I could really enjoy the blast of sound from the corps.  It
made the show all the more exciting for me.  I loved playing shows,
partly because of the great sound.  Yeah, sometimes it would hurt a
little, but because my ears were exposed to the loudness for a
relatively short time, they didn't ring or hurt afterwards, whereas
they would ring after a long rehearsal if I didn't wear the plugs.

	George
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Libraries and Information Resources
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Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Test posting
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 04:48:09 GMT

rlmiller@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Randall L. Miller) writes:

>I have been reading this group for a few weeks now and I was just wondering
>if someone could subdue my curiosity. I would like to know the list of
>DCI Champions...hope it's not too much trouble.

OK:

1972      Anaheim Kingsmen
1973-74   Santa Clara Vanguard
1975      Madison Scouts
1976-77   Blue Devils
1978      Santa Clara Vanguard
1979-80   Blue Devils
1981      Santa Clara Vanguard
1982      Blue Devils
1983-85   Garfield Cadets
1986      Blue Devils
1987      Garfield Cadets
1988      Madison Scouts
1989      Santa Clara Vanguard
1990      Cadets of Bergen County (formerly Garfield Cadets)
1991      Star of Indiana
1992      Cavaliers

If you're interested in other classes, etc.  I can dig those up from
home.

HTH,
Bob

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