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From: john@utafll.uta.edu (John Baima)
Subject: Win 3.1; ATM and Intellifont
Organization: Silver Mountain Software
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:34:32 GMT

I am having a lot of problems with my both my Intellifont fonts and
ATM fonts. My Intellifonts print, but the CG Times font does not show
up in AmiPro, but it does in Write. Most all of my ATM fonts do not
show up in either Write or AmiPro on screen or on paper (Laserjet
IIIp). I have had no problems with the TrueType fonts, but I have lots
of docs with my ATM fonts :-(. Any suggestions?

Thanks.
--
John Baima                         Silver Mountain Software   
john@utafll.uta.edu                7246 Cloverglen Dr. Dallas TX 75249

I use Windows every day. My company makes money off of Windows and not
a dime off of OS/2. So which one do I like?




Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: shopsis@auvax1.adelphi.edu
Subject: Morefonts ATM 1.15 & Win 3.1
Organization: ADELPHI UNIVERSITY
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:13:08 GMT

I've been using Morefonts with win 3.0, along with Adobe Type Manager 1.15. 
They co-exist peacefully and give me lots of scalable fonts that I can
customize.  Does anybody out there know about their compatability with Win 3.1?
I'm particularly interested in Morefonts, because I haven't seen it mentioned
in this group, and I received a promotional mailing from them today that
mentioned the program's compatability with Win 3.0.
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: becap@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian CAPSON)
Subject: Re: bgates joke
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:55:09 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.180622.26085@unixg.ubc.ca> tanlimco@unixg.ubc.ca (John Jay Tanlimco) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.163657.20508@cs.mcgill.ca> becap@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian CAPSON) writes:
>>
>>Take this with a grain of salt, it's obviously a forgery. Bill Gates'
>>login name at Microsoft isn't bgates, but billg. I can't imagine that
>>he'd waste his time reading the OS/2 newsgroup anyway...
>>
>
>OK, the login name of Bill Gates isn't bgates nor gatesb nor billg.
>The only Gates at microsoft.com is a Lee Gates, does anybody know for
>sure the email address of Bill Gates?

Yea, I know for sure that his login name is billg. I used to work there,
and I've gotten mail from him.

Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: lucchesi@vaxwrk.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Win 3.1 and SMARTDRV
Reply-To: lucchesi@vaxwrk.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 16:06:30 GMT


In article <1992Apr9.094950.1@mdcbbs.com>, furlong@mdcbbs.com (Carey Furlong) writes:
|>   Have you tried enabling 32 bit access? By default it is turned off,
|>   but on most 386s it should be on. Windows 3.1 was slow for me too 
|>   until I enabled 32 bit access. Now Windows is a screamer.
|>-
|>                             "Excellent Kassim. You have served me well"
|>                             ---------- Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves ---
|>       ---- Carey ----
|>    Carey Furlong, Huntington Beach, CA; Compu$erve 70531,2753;
|>    Prodigy TXST34A
|>

Well, I tried enabling 32 bit access, and restarted Windows, and got a message that something was trying to acces the disk in a way that was incompatible with 32 bit wdctrl (wish I could remember the exact syntax), and I was unable to start Windows. The only thing to do was a re-boot. I tried to bring up Windows several times, with the same result. I tried to bring it up in standard mode (/S) but the enhanced section was not now available. Finally, I edited system.ini, and commented out the "device=*wdctrl



" line, and Windows started up. I then was able to reconfigure, disabling this option.

Anybody know what might have been conflicting? I run QEMM 6.0, an Ultrastor 12F ESDI controller, have a Soundblaster Pro, but everything else is pretty standard in my 486/33 W/256 Cache, AMI BIOS, etc.

Pete
From: victor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (V Menayang)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: How about Paradise Drivers? (for those who care)
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:35:34 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <N6yZiB1w164w@upchrch.UUCP> joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  ) writes:
>kxj6@po.CWRU.Edu (Kijin Jung) writes:
>
>
>Well my Paradise VGA Pro works fine and it is even older than the
>1024. The number I have for the Paradise BBS is:
>  Paradise BBS                    1-415-968-1834

What do you mean by "works fine"?
Are you able to use your mouse in a windowed DOS session?
I'm using the Paradise 640x480x256 driver for Windows 3.0
but it doesn't work very well even though I use the grabber
and VDD that come with 3.1.

-- 

-------------------------------------------------------------
Victor Menayang                     victor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu 
=============================================================
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: jjs@ubitrex.mb.ca (John Joseph Strybosch)
Subject: Getting stuff from wuarchive.wustl.edu
Originator: jjs@ubitrex.mb.ca
Organization: Ubitrex Corporation, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:00:33 GMT

I am trying to ftp et4-w31.zip from wuarchive.wustl.edu
which is something like 1066000 bytes long.  Every
attempt regardless of whether I use tenex or binary mode
stops promtly at 567296 bytes.
 
Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong.  It also
seems to make no difference whether or not I use
a password that starts with - (yes the messages 
go away, but the transfer still fails)

I also tried it from a VMS machine... didn't help.
 
Thanks alot
JJ Strybosch
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: becap@cs.mcgill.ca (Brian CAPSON)
Subject: Re: Win 3.1 + True Type = Very slow screen redraws
Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 05:51:26 GMT

In article <1325@hydra.bucknell.edu> dworshak@pollux.tmc.edu (todd dworshak  
`92) writes:
> Has anyone had any trouble getting true type and Win 3.1 to redraw
> the screen at a decent pace?  I have a 286 with 3Megs, and the
> on-screen font rendering with true type is excruciatingly slow.
> Clicking on the readme file, which contains multiple TT fonts, 
> is almost an exercise in futility.  It takes so long to render the
> fonts that TT is basically not usable on my system.
> 
> Otherwise, I really don't have any speed problems with other aspects 
> of Win 3.1.  I've checked all my config files, and can't find anything
> wrong.
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> - Todd Dworshak
>   dworshak@bucknell.edu

While redraw speeds are a function of processor speed, they are MUCH more a  
function of Video Card and Drivers, particularly on a '286 You didn't mention  
what Video Card you are using, care to share it with us?

- Brian

are using 
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: Brad Taplin <btaplin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Ami Pro 2 + Win 3.1?
Summary: What incompatibilities, and what advantages?
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: comp.windows.ms
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 07:06:44 -0500

	Hello. Just acquired Ami Pro 2.0 and absolutely adore it.
	Came with Adobe Type Mgr and a promise to send me a copy
	of Grammatik by mail with registration, plus ten megs of
	wonderful tools. So much smoother than Word for Win 1.x!

	Enough of that. Rumor has it that Win 3.1 has probs with
	Ami Pro 2.0. So can anyone verify or refute this? I must
	decide before June since fifty bucks is my limit for a
	while and that is the upgrade price from Microsoft. We
	have a HP deskjet, Gateway 386sx-16, and numerous TSRs.
	I generally run in standard mode, with Afterdark going.
From: garyf@wang.com (Gary Field)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: 3.1 and OEM VGA Drivers
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:18:37 GMT
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA

pgleason@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Pat Gleason) writes:

>An article in the current (4/28/92) PC Magazine (p. 206) says:
>...*To get Windows 3.1 to recognize your 3.0 (OEM) driver pack, rename any
>file called SETUP.INF on the OEM floppy disk to OEMSETUP.INF.*
>I haven't tried this yet (I'm having the Trident 8900 problems noted in
>several other postings) but thought I'd pass it along.

I tried this with my Tseng 4000 driver disk and it worked just fine.
The 3.0 drivers( at least the 640x480x256 one) worked without problem
under 3.1.
Gary

-- 

/*-------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Gary A. Field - WA1GRC, Wang Labs M/S 019-72B, 1 Industrial Ave      
   Lowell, MA 01851-5161,  (508) 967-2514, email: garyf@wiis.wang.com
-----------  Anything not worth doing, is not worth doing well. -----------*/
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: aga@Comtech.com (Alan G. Arndt)
Subject: Re: Win 3.1 hangs
Organization: Comtech Labs Inc, Palo Alto
Distribution: comp
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:19:02 GMT


Well I also have a 486/25 at home.  I am having some problems and I don't
know if they are similar or not.  But three times now when doing ALOT of
things in Windows (Backup, Download, Zipping files, playing a game waiting)
all at once I have had my machine get a Parity Error and have to have a
hard reset to get it out.  One other time under the same circumstances the
machine did a full hard reset.  I have left everything the way Windows wanted
to install it.  I have been running windows 3.0 on the machine since it came
out and have NEVER had a problem like this.  I have never had a parity error
and I have let the machine run memory tests for a solid day and never got an
error.  So far I only have about 6-10 hours of use on 3.1 and I have had those
four crashes with nowhere to look for a reason.

So what are we to do?

----
Alan Arndt					Comtech Labs
415-813-4500					4005 Miranda Avenue, Suite 150
aga@Comtech.com					Palo Alto, CA   94304-1218
From: palmer@chmsr.gatech.edu (Michael T. Palmer)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Apple Suit: Most charges dismissed
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:40:56 GMT
Reply-To: palmer@chmsr.gatech.edu (Michael T. Palmer)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

For those of you not tuned in to CNN Headline News, the judge in
the Apple vs. Microsoft & Hewlett Packard has dismissed most of the
charges in the case.  Microsoft stock is up 11.5 at 12:15pm.

Good news.  All of us Windows users won't have to bow and pay
tribute to Apple for technology they DID NOT invent.
--
Michael T. Palmer, M/S 152, NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  23665
Temporarily a Techie: Center for Human-Machine System Research, Georgia Tech
Voice: 404-894-4318,    FAX: 404-894-2301,    Email: palmer@chmsr.gatech.edu
From: john.will@satalink.com (John Will)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: INSTALLING ET4000 DRIVERS
Date: 11 Apr 92 15:17:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: satalink.2590.1033.uupcb
Reply-To: john.will@satalink.com (John Will)
Organization: Satalink Info Systems - Huntingdon Valley, PA - 215-364-3324

TO: mwizard@eecs.cs.pdx.edu
CR.Just got 3.1, and it looks great.  Problem is I have an ET4000
  .video card and I can't get the 01.92 drivers to install properly.

You need the 3.1 specific drivers, they are popping up all over the place,
I believe they carry file dates early in March.  I've installed them with
Win 3.1, all is working well.  There are a couple of self extracting files
on the Microsoft BBS, each about 600kb in size, they are TSENG1.EXE,
TSENG2.EXE, and TSENG3.EXE, 16 colors, 256 colors, and 32k colors 
respectively.  I got them from a Boston BBS, Channel-1.  It's just too
difficult to get into the Microsoft BBS, constant busy.
---
 . KingQWK 1.05 . Two most common elements: hydrogen, stupidity
From: joel@upchrch.UUCP (Joel Upchurch  )
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Win 3.1 and SMARTDRV
Keywords: windows 3.1 smartdrv
Date: 12 Apr 92 07:26:06 GMT
Organization: Upchurch Computer Consulting, Orlando FL

scott@unixland.natick.ma.us (Scott Evernden) writes:

> In article <1992Apr08.191000.01007572@locus.com> jta@locus.com (JT Anderson) 
> >The new SMARTDRV does not cache at the INT 13 level, so CORETEST and similar
> >disk benchmarks don't really test SMARTDRV.  In fact, if you use INT 25 to
> >read a diskette, and SMARTDRV is enabled for that drive, it will have a
> >very negative impact on performance.  On the other hand, for disk access
> >using DOS file management calls, SMARTDRV is a very good disk cache.
> 
> I did some more tests, and you're right (you knew that!).  SMARTDRV 4.0
> does not do low-level caching but does indeed cache at the filesystem
> level.  This appears to be a design change from the previous version.

If you get the Windows Resource Kit, it has a nice section explaining
how the new SMARTDRV works on pages 252-6.

They also spend some time talking about how they work with Stacker.
I guess those reports that Stacker will be bundled into 5.1 are true.

(If your mail bounces use the address below. My map entry is new.)
Joel Upchurch/Upchurch Computer Consulting/718 Galsworthy/Orlando, FL 32809
joel@peora.ccur.com {uiucuxc,hoptoad,petsd,ucf-cs}!peora!joel (407) 859-0982
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: meep@wpi.WPI.EDU (A Son of the Silent Age)
Subject: Re: TrueType Fonts (long answer w/list)
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 22:41:12 GMT

In article <ku3imgINNhp4@spim.mips.com> mpolen@gelato.mips.com (Michael Polen) writes:
>I remember from when cica was available that they had some truetype
>fonts.  Does anyone know of an FTP source for fonts that is available
>today?  Has anyone uploaded newly converted fonts?

The following are available from wuarchive.wustl.edu, in the directory 
/mirrors2/win3/fonts/truetype...

TTFONTS1.ZIP
 Length  Name
  24152  AAP_____.TTF
  22528  ANDES__0.TTF
  34272  ANDES___.TTF
  31160  ARCHITIC.TTF
  59900  ARIAL.TTF
  54082  ARIALB.TTF
  54082  ARIALBD.TTF
  58896  ARIALBI.TTF
  57288  ARIALI.TTF
  27888  ASHLEY__.TTF
 ------
 424248

TTFONTS2.ZIP
 Length  Name
  23260  BEBL____.TTF
  17892  BECC____.TTF
  28000  CAB_____.TTF
  43012  CACC____.TTF
  33812  CHM_____.TTF
  64340  COUR.TTF
  63996  COURBD.TTF
  65332  COURBI.TTF
  69752  COURI.TTF
  31620  CRF_____.TTF
 ------
 441016

TTFONTS3.ZIP
 Length  Name
  33876  DESERET_.TTF
  28280  DOW_____.TTF
  57844  DUP_____.TTF
  51488  ELGAR___.TTF
  69760  GOCMP___.TTF
  28884  GOUDYHUN.TTF
  17964  GRCC____.TTF
  59320  GRDO____.TTF
  34312  GRDR____.TTF
  55112  GRDSO___.TTF
  67136  GRDS____.TTF
 ------
 503976

TTFONTS4.ZIP
 Length  Name
  10644  KL______.TTF
  31744  MAZAM___.TTF
  20312  PREMI___.TTF
  15544  RHYOL___.TTF
  19376  ROP_____.TTF
  55688  SYMBOL.TTF
  72060  TIMES.TTF
  67962  TIMESB.TTF
  67962  TIMESBD.TTF
  71188  TIMESBI.TTF
  68300  TIMESI.TTF
  49164  WID_____.TTF
  15968  HOCC____.TTF
  32608  IGL_____.TTF
  84204  INTER___.TTF
  21504  KASTE___.TTF
  46100  KIK_____.TTF
  32632  KOKK____.TTF
 ------
 782960

doug
From: penguin@concour.cs.concordia.ca (WU eric)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 in Canada yet?
Date: 11 Apr 92 01:52:29 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

I ordered the 3.1 upgrade and the Windows Resource Kit from Microsoft
last Monday.  When I asked when it would arrive, I was told 4-6 weeks.

BTW:  If you are a registered user and you get an invitation in the mail
      to attend a Windows 3.1 Technical Workshop, make a point to go
      the information they give is invaluable.  (Plus you get a nifty
      metal Win 3.1 pin at the end)

Eric Wu
penguin@concour.cs.concordia.ca
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: daw50509@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Don A. Walthers)
Subject: qmodem downloads in win3.1 background
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 17:32:00 GMT

I've noticed that many people have been having trouble downloading
with qmodem in win3.1's background, even when it is minimized to an
icon. After much experimentation I found the minimal amount of processor
resources needed by qmodem. On my system running at 20MHz-32Kcache this
number is 45%. I had 2 winapps minimized with bground values of 10, 
qmodem minimized set at 100 and the active app foreground value set at
100. The active app I used for this experiment was an AfterDark demo
because that program will use all of the processor resources it can get.
The only other problem I had was attempted disk access by both apps at
the same time. To partially cure this I set the download buffer to a 
higher number(still experimenting with this). The only problem with this
setup is that I have to keep constant number of icons on the screen or
keep messing around with those values.
From: ez006385@hamlet.ucdavis.edu (Byte Cruncher)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Advice on a network
Summary: Small!!! Network
Date: 17 Apr 92 11:35:41 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis
Originator: ez006385@hamlet.ucdavis.edu

I'm moving into a brand new apartment complex in September and they claim to
have it network ready!  This apparently means that there will be network cable
running to all the rooms (Probable just rs232 serial cables).  I want to be 
able to run a filesharing system or something like that within windows 3.1 
between my computer and my roomates.  I have a 386 and he has a 286.  So here's
the question: 
	Do I need any other software other than Windows 3.1?
	Can I run a Windows 3.1 network on a 286?
	How should I go about setting this whole thing up?

			Thanks in advance,
				Joe Cooper
			please mail responses to jicooper@ucdavis.edu
From: linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 Resource Kit - is this useful?
Date: 13 Apr 92 20:04:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NCSU CATT Prog

In article <1992Apr13.181441.6133@sequent.com> rbk@sequent.com (Bob Beck) writes:
>I got my official Windows 3.1 upgrade over the weekend, installed fine.  A
>bunch of advertising came with it, and one part is for the "Windows 3.1
>Resource Kit" for $19.95 plus shipping/etc.  Does anyone have this and/or can
>comment on it - is this useful?  What's in it?  Is it worth $19.95 +
>shipping?

If Windows 3.1 is so easy to use and configure, then why does Microsoft think
that we need to spend $20 on a package to help us figure out how to configure
it?  This is user-friendliness?

John W. Linville




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From: cchapman@matd.gatech.edu (Charles H. Chapman)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: Video 7 drivers for Windows 3.1?
Date: 14 Apr 92 12:35:22 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <92105.000521KTK-VK@finou.oulu.fi> KTK-VK@finou.oulu.fi (Vesa Komulainen) writes:

>I wonder if anyone has tested if the V7 drivers (1024x768x16 and 800x600x16)
>written for Windows 3.0 can still be used with Windows 3.1. Unlike Win3.1
>-specific drivers for many other VGA cards, I have not seen any mention yet
>of ones for the Video 7 series so anyone who knows better, please let me know.

I've been using the 800x600x256 V7 driver that I got off cica a while back.
It works fine with Win 3.1 except that it will not allow you to run DOS
graphical applications in a window (greater than CGA).  It does let you
use the mouse in windowed DOS applications.  I haven't tried any of the
other old V7 drivers.

Note: Win 3.1 came with *new* V7 drivers for many different resolutions but
for some reason the 800x600x256 driver required 1mb of video memory.  The
old 800x600x256 driver only required 512kb of video memory and that's why
I'm still using the old driver.

Chuck

Charles H. Chapman  (GTRI/MATD)             (404) 528-7588
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp:     ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,ut-ngp}!gatech!matd!cchapman
Internet: cchapman@matd.gatech.edu
From: aliceb@tea4two.Eng.Sun.COM (Alice Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Speaker.drv doesn't work
Date: 10 Apr 92 04:10:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tea4two

I downloaded speak.exe from Genie and tried it out.  I installed
it correctly and in the sounds dialog box all of the events, such
as exclamation appear.  However, none of the sounds play from
here or in the setup drivers box or when I run sound recorder.
Strangely, on occassion, I do get a sound when Windows starts.
I have no other sound board or sound device such as Wired for
Sound.  386/25, 4mb, standard mode.

Thanks in advance for any help or ideas.

Brad Taylor (using Alice's account)
From: pr@umiacs.umd.edu (Jesus Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Re: MS/HP win Apple suit!
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:05:56 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies

BOO HISS Microsoft :-(  Apple should have won that suit!
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
Subject: Need MS CD and/or MM Extensions!
From: slam@desire.wright.edu
Date: 12 Apr 92 03:36:55 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

Hello everyone!

I am trying to locate a copy MS CD and/or MM Extensions for Windows 3.0.
Could someone please tell me where I can download a copy?
How about a MS BBS number?

Thanks!

SC Lam - slam@eve.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.windows.ms
From: jcmorris@mwunix (Joe Morris)
Subject: Re: Eggheads "Cue" WIN3.1 Offer
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean VA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:18:53 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.135631.29266@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> jimm@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (james.mumper) writes:
>In the mail last night I received a brochure from Egghead outlining their
>offer on WIN3.1.  The package included a catalog as well as a membership
>in their new "Cue" (Custom Updates and Eggstras(sm)) program.  I am very
>impressed with their package.  Highlights:

  [...]

>All in all, it's a good price for the software and an excellent marketing
>job.  There are some good deals to be had if you combine your purchases.

Egghead often has good prices, but don't forget to check the other
sources.  As of last night, the local Egghead was advertising Norton
Desktop for Windows (V2) at $69 after the Cue discount, *and after you
mail in for a $30 rebate*...in other words, you pay $99 plus tax, then
get $30 back.  Two blocks away, CompUSA offers the same NDW V2 package
(complete, not upgrade) for $67 cash (alas, plus tax)...and you don't
have to hassle with a mail-in rebate.

Also, if you do find that Egghead has the lowest net price and want to
use the rebate, be aware that most of the rebate offers require that 
you send in the *original* sales receipt; a Xerox is not acceptable.
If you scream loud enough, though, the Egghead store will provide you with
a duplicate sales receipt you can use for this purpose.

Joe Morris

PS: if nobody's noted it yet (my newsfeed just came up after a 5-day
outage) Egghead has the new versions of Excel and Project for Windows,
both as upgrades and full products.