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From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Subject: Re: Black Apples
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 15:00:48 GMT

In <34728@cbmvax.commodore.com> andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel) writes:

>In article <crystal.714977696@glia> crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal) writes:
>>In <1992Aug27.231408.7984@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
>>
>>Crystal
>>  ;>
>>
>>(I even played on a black Apple at the local Community college as late as
>>1986!  It was an ordinary Apple...just the case was black....)


>I believe the black apples a Bell and Howell badged version made by Apple
>in an effort to sell computers through camera stores.

>		andy
>-- 
>andy finkel		{uunet|rutgers|amiga}!cbmvax!andy

>"Some people think MS-DOS is a necessary evil.  They are wrong.  MS-DOS
> is _not_ necessary."
>Any expressed opinions are mine; but feel free to share.
>I disclaim all responsibilities, all shapes, all sizes, all colors.

Yes, that's correct.  The Bell and Howell name was on them, and they were
pure apples, and pure black.  (Thanks for the correct company name - Honeywell
was dashing through my mind, and I *KNEW* that wasn't correct!)

	
Crystal
   ;>

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BTW, I got chastized for this being cross-posted to another newsgroup. I 
can't tell when that happens, so could someone please change whatever it is
that needs changing and keep this thread in the ADVOCACY group? 

Thanks...

And please stop cross-posting out of Advocacy???
(I hate being a victim of another's incompetence - I'm incompetent enough
WITHOUT their help!)

Crystal
  ;>

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From: eto@acs.ucalgary.ca (Seijn Eto)
Subject: Re: New Products
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 04:25:40 GMT
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta


	Did your source mention whether the AA Chip set is going
to be compatible with A500/2000/3000's?


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From: jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young)
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 21:00:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.152935.28954@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:

>And that's just wishful thinking.  On both counts.  People aren't
>"refusing" to sell the 600, and like I said, it's not really that
>non-compliant.  Nearly every new game will run and most old ones do.

Many people remember Amiga Format magazine news about Amiga dealers
REFUSING A500+/A600 because many softwear not running.

Not sure if Curry, High Street, JLP, Littlewood, Argos selling A600.

>_Game_ machines.  Did you see your own mistake?  The A600 is NOT a
>game machine.  It is a computer intended to be sold to the same market
>that the C64 sold to, once upon a time.

??? A600 is not game machine??! A600 is selling to SAME people buying
C64??? You are right!  C64 is BUSINESS machine!! C= designers CHOP
OFF A600 numberpad because BUSINESS people complaining! BUSINESS
people telling C= to not include clock in A600 because time not
important!

Even for hobby machine A600 is poor value because developers now
like 68030, DSP, SVGA color, SCSI2, LAN, 16 bit stereo, MIDI,....

>motherboard signals.  However, unlike the Falcon, those same systems
>also give you a REAL bus, Zorro II/III.

REAL bus Zorro III and PCMIA have REAL crazy price tag. My prediction..
A600 will be big flop in America because people NOT REAL stupid.
From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:48:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntp.1992Aug30.224805.29041
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange

In article <1992Aug30.194513.12500@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>
>   This works well on paper, but not in reality.  Consider for instance the
>situation with Amiga CD-ROM drives.  If Commodore is going to bring out
>CD-ROM drives for every Amiga, they will have to bring out FOUR different
>models: one for the A500, one for the A600, one for A2500 & A2000HD & A3000
>systems (with SCSI interfaces), and one for the new systems with IDE 
>interfaces.  Now consider the situation on the Macintosh platform; even 

   Or, Commodore could just release an external 5.25" CD-ROM drive for all
machines. If an A500/600 user is going to fork out $400 plus for a CD-ROM
drive, they are bound to already have a hard drive. (I'm just shooting holes
in your argument.)
   What amazes me is this: Commodore hasn't announced anything, and you are
already flaming them for things they've never done. Can't you just keep your
mouth shut until September like the rest of us? Come on, give us a rest.

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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 21:59:08 GMT

>The fact that some systems flicker simply means their owners
>can have high-quality tools at less cost.  MY system is
>rock-solid.  Just like Amiga VS. PC prices...you get what
>you pay for!

	I would say its more like you get what you overpay for.

							G.Greene
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From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 15:48:47 GMT

[A4000 having IDE instead of SCSI] 
>>Not SCSI??? I would be surprised, and disappointed!
>
>As someone has already pointed out--this might be a smart move on
>C='s part.  A4000 owners can then go out and buy those large and inexpensive
>IBM harddrives.

   Looking through Computer Shopper, the IDE and SCSI drives are very close
   in price though. 

							G.Greene

>Kelvin
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Zorro III cards? (was: 80,000,000 pc's)
Date: 27 Aug 92 11:19:16 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Wright State University

In article <1992Aug26.141138.25963@ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> fihsu@athena.mit.edu (Hsu I-wei) writes:
>>
>>EISA is the problem, because put a single ISA card on
>>that bus and you've just reduced EISA to ISA.
>>
	I was told by a friend that just purchased a PC clone, and did
	extensive research before he bought, that NO this is NOT TRUE.
	( oh, oh I'm writing like Jeff Young! )
	EISA and ISA both run at 8mhz.  ISA is 16 bit EISA is 32 bit.
	If you have a 32 bit card it does 32 bit transfers, and a 16 bit
	does 16.

> 
> Is this true?  Could someone who knows confirm this?  I've only seen this
> claim in c.s.a.a., and I get the feeling that it's nonsense.

	I've not really confirmed this, but my friend is not prone to
	making inaccurate statements.
> 
>>
>>Francis
>>
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 20:34:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.012037.13991@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett) writes:
>In article <1992Aug29.171531.827@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung) writes:
>>WPK@cup.portal.com (Kenneth Pak-kin Wong) writes:
>>
>>>>Amiga 4000 Preliminary:
>>>>
>>>>Hard Disk:  AT-BUS (IDE)
>>>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>>Not SCSI??? I would be surprised, and disappointed!
>>
>>As someone has already pointed out--this might be a smart move on
>>C='s part.  A4000 owners can then go out and buy those large and inexpensive
>>IBM harddrives.
>
>   Yes, but they also will not be able to use anybody's (not even 
>Commodore's) SCSI tape bacup system, or SCSI CD-ROM drive.  Will there be an
>IDE connector on the outside of the case?  Doubtful, as IDE cannot handle
>more than two devices in any way, and even supporting the second device 
>would be kludgy.  

Duh, can you say third-party Zorro III SCSI boards?  I've got an A3000 with
its wonderful 32bit DMA SCSI blah blah blah, but only one drive.  If it 
means that the price of the A4000 will be more reasonable, more power to
them.

>   The A4000 will probably come with an expensive CPU (68040), a new and
>expensive chipset, expensive high-speed memory, etc.  If you were to do a
>poll of buyers of such an expensive system, how many of them would be willing
>to trade flexibility to save $50?  Even if 40% would be willing to make the
>trade (very doubtful that so many would), does it make any sense at all to
>subject the other 60% of potential buyers to having to pay $200 - $300 for
>a SCSI or SCSI II board just to have the flexibility that Commodore decided
>to put into the A3000 but not into the A4000?  

The A4000 had better come with the 040 and AA chipset or no one is going to
buy one.  Some rumors suggest that the CPU is on a card and that other models
with 020s, 030s, etc. may be available.  

>   IDE might have made sense in a hypothetical low-end system with a 16Mhz
>68020, no FPU, a minimum of RAM, and a smallish HD; but it makes absolutely
>no sense whatsoever in a high-end system with a 68040 and expensive memory.

Funny that lots of high-end PCs with 486s and expensive memory manage to make
due with IDE.

>>I am sure CSA, GVP, etc. will probably come out with some sort of 
>>accelerators for the A4000--and they probably will come with a SCSI-II 
>>adaptor... just my opinion.
>
>   They probably will, but it will be an extra-cost item no matter how you
>cut it.  An extra-cost item that is standard hardware in all current
>Macintoshes and in the Atari Falcon.  

The Falcon is still vaporware and the Macs are still pieces of crap.  As
far as that goes, the A4000 is still vaporware and it is silly for anyone
to be bashing it or defending it.

>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:11:31 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

breaker@pdnfido.fidonet.org (Guy Sisalli) writes:

> In article <1992Aug29.201213.18512@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu 
>
> >Many THOUSANDS of music dealers in America so millions of people can take
> >5 minute drive to buy Falcons. Mail order dealer can send you Falcon
> >nextday mail too! Many Amiga dealers get big profit from selling Falcon
> >than A600 so they will carry it for sure.
> 
> I beg your pardon?!?!? 8^), MUSIC DEALERS?? CARYING FALCONS?!?!?!?
> 
> BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Sorry about that, I haven't had a good laugh in a whil
> What makes you think that music dealers are going to carry a computer? They
> don't carry IBM's w/soundblasters, Mac's, or Amiga's(at least, none around he
> do), and they are most DEFINATLY not going to carry an Atari product.

Guy, you have just earned the distinction of being even more clueless than
Jeff Young.  The two largest music stores here in Philadelphia, Medley and
8th Street, are both Atari hardware/software dealers.  As is the largest
dealer in Boston, E. U. Wurlitzer's (both locations), which also carries Mac
software and hardware (incl. big monitors, hard disk recording systems, etc)
and (at last count) Amiga stuff.

You're dead wrong, pal.  But don't let it stop you from flaming people.

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From: Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Distribution: world
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:57:00 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

Ahem!  When did I say that the A600 didn't have an IDE interface?  
As you are obviously an Amiga-biased clown, I will not respond to any more
of your ridiculous claims about Atari's financial security - If you want
more Falcon info, read the comp.sys.atari.st area - My main purpose here is
to prevent the spread of mis-information about the Falcon - and yes, I had
to correct myself - maximum non-interlaced resolution on the Falcon is
320x480 - 640x400 interlaced (True Color resolution, that is)


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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: IFF database of .advocacy folks
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:05:51 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>In article <1992Aug25.001250.5610@marlin.jcu.edu.au> phsjs@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Stephen J.Smith) writes:
>>In <1992Aug24.184027.28027@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>>

>I sorta kinda almost have access to a scanner.  Would anybody be interested
>if I scanned something in?  Skip, what are you looking for? Pictures,...
>GPAs... :)  ....Screen shots of our computers???

>The IFF world depends on you, Skip........

I will tell you what I want to see...

...a digitized picture of Dave Haynie's workbench!!! (no... not the one
on his Amiga... the one at his lab!!! :)

Who would like to volunteer? :)

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
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Subject: Re: Unreal demo!
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:10:26 PST
 <1992Sep3.190823.5325@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> <1992Sep3.214359.23695@usl.edu>
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <1992Sep3.214359.23695@usl.edu> by das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A):

> Nor was I asking for a comparison! 

    I am VERY interested in the impressions of an Amigan who has (a)
    seen UNREAL, (b) seen a lot of Amiga demos, and (c) has some
    knowledge of the technical content of demos. I for one am grateful
    that rjc posted these articles.

> >   I challenge any PCer to get a hold of an Amiga and watch
> >Hardwired, Razor's Voyage, Odyssey, Digital Innovation, Substance,

> I don't think there is any Amiga 20-30 miles from me,..sorry, but that'll
> be hard to do...

    Piker. Here I am making an effort to get UNREAL (despite not being
    able to ftp, and having to pay for email)...

> > The MODs in hardwired alone beat Unreal's butt.
> 
> So...computer demos somehow....compete with one another?

    Er... YES! Particularly in this case, because UNREAL was quoted
    as being an example of how good the PC hardware is for demos. A
    few days ago someone posted an article claiming that PC hardware
    was at least as good if not better than Amiga hardware for such
    things.

> Dan Stephenson                                           das9674@usl.edu
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From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jake Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Specs? Who knows.
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:20:22 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA

mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:

>It would have been nice if a USEFUL notepad application shipped with 2.0x.
>Every doc file for every PD program and even the readme's for commercial
>apps SHOULD be done in NotePad, IMO.  Food for thought.

Ignoring the new (not yet released) hypertext system?  I agree that AmigaDOS
should ship with useful applications and demos wholeheartedly, though.  People
get their systems and sit down to play with them and many of them are *very*
dissappointed when they have to go back and buy stuff right away to do 
anything at all besides change the workbench colors...

>Amiga programmer of: GRn, MailMinder, Budokan, Beyond Dark Castle, Dark Castle
>Sega Genesis programmer of: Dick Tracy and Marble Madness.
>Mike Schwartz  (ames!zorch!amiga0!mykes or mykes@amiga0.sf-bay.org)
>1124 Fremont Ave.
>Los Altos, CA 94024

Wulf                    | "Martha, it's another one of those CS majors asking
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: No Figs in the Apple Newton
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 01:53:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.004948.21129@ra.msstate.edu> ada@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Sunga Rettaf) writes:
>In article <kdarling.715298464@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu> kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>>jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
>>>TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>
><< Legal discussion deleted >>
>
>>I believe that ATT and someone else is coming up with a line of PDAs
>>to compete with Apple's Newton... only theirs are called "Hobbits"!
>>Wonder if they'll have to pay for that name?
>
>Will Commodore be offering a PDA of any sort?  It might be difficult
>for them to develop a hand-held Amiga compatible, but they might at
>least offer something which uses the many IFF files available.

   Apple invested has invested a great deal of money in a manufacturer of 
low-power RISC microprocessors in developing the Newton.  Apple has also 
devoted a sizable amount of their $200+ Million per year R&D budgets in
developing the Newton.  With Commodore's R&D budgets hovering around 
$25 million or less, I can tell you now that the answer to the question of
whether or not Commodore will develop a PDA is clearly "NO".

>Sunga Rettaf

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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Atari Falcon Discount Supermachine  Re: Sydnes is gone?!!
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:53:44 GMT
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <Chris_Millar.0470@lppl.mi.org> Chris_Millar@lppl.mi.org (Chris Millar) writes:
>Concerning the BLiTTER:  I <believe> it DOES run concurrently with the CPU,
>but I am not absolutely sure.  I will start asking around for the exact
>info.

Why does it matter?  With the pseudo-OS that the Falcon runs it is not
really necessary.  Glorified task-switching program launchers have no
real need for advanced hardware, just plenty of layers of software hacks
to hide the kludges.

Skip Sauls
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 29 Aug 92 00:06:17 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes:
: >: 
: >: What?!  Where in the above did I bash the Amiga?
: >
: >Perhaps you did not do it intentionally, but your words "Didn't think
: >so." immediately appeared in my mind as "Naah, Amiga can't do even
: >that, it sucks"....
: 
: Jarkko, this is PARANOIA, pure and simple.  If you're really this obsessed,
: get some help.

It took you THIS LONG to find that out? Of course I'm paranoid and has
alwyas been - if it takes you this long to notice it you're in serious
need of professional help...

: >Okay: OS/2 is _not_ real time operatoing system. And this one alone is
: >enough to proove you that OS/2 lacks some functionality AmigaOS has.
: 
: AmigaOS is a real-time OS?  Since when?  What real-time features does it
: have that OS/2 does not?

Since day one. Fast message passing (with pointers, not by copying) is
one thing, there are others too.

--
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From: rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 Rumors...
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:45:11 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University

In article <kkrebs.013j@amilink.UUCP> amilink!kkrebs@citrus.sac.ca.us
(Ken Krebs) writes:

>I keep hearing rumors of the "new" A4000.  One that has really tweaked my
>ear is the rumor of a DSP on the motherboard (or somewhere inside the
>machine)  Included in the rumor is the ability to use the DSP as a v.32bis
>modem.  Anyone know if this sounds feasible?

Sounds good to me :).

>Also - I've heard that the A4000 has CPU modules and the actual machine
>comes without a processor in it.  You have to decide which processor module
>you want included in it.

This strategy is becoming increasingly more plausible and one which I would
consider to be the most significant action CBM could take to ensure the
longevity and cost-effectiveness of the machine. If this fabled platform
comes to fruition, I'm sending Dave a case of CDN beer! Of course, it
probably would be cheaper to buy it in Pennsylvania, but that's another
story.

Mark

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From: engb@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Ben Eng)
Subject: Re: Zorro III cards?
Organization: Jet Penguin Lavatories
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 00:35:17 GMT

In <1992Aug30.004851.16643@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:

>In article <doiron.09b3@starpt.UUCP> doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron) writes:

>>>>There are Zorro III cards available?  What are they?
>>> o Ameristar 1600GX
>>> o DMI Vivid 24

>>PP&S ProRAM 3000
>>PP&S Rambrandt

>Unfortunately, I'm quite certain that the Rambrandt is Zorro II, as PP&S
>indicated its A2000/2500 compatibility in the AW Graphics Issue.

A2000/2500 "compatibility" should not be read as "the card is strictly
Zorro II---it does not take advantage of Zorro III features".  It is
possible, as I'm sure Dave will explain better than I, to build a card
that will operate in Zorro II mode in an A2000/2500 and as a Zorro III
card in the A3000 and higher.  I think Amiga consumers should start
demanding that their third party HW manufacturers start building
cards that take advantage of Zorro III bus speeds.

Ben
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