From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
Subject: That Garvin list, Woodyatt off, Demetrio on.
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date:  4 Jan 93 14:58:49 GMT

In <1992Dec31.064832.17735@samba.oit.unc.edu> Suzanne-lucia.Demitrio@launchpad.unc.edu (Suzanne-lucia Demitrio) writes:

>In article <nyikos.725752055@milo.math.scarolina.edu> 
>nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:

This post is moved over from PRO-LIFE SEASON'S GREETINGS and
talk.religion.misc removed from the newsgroups.  Another follow-up
to the post of Ms. Demetrio [attribution above] will retain the thread title
and be a talk.religion.misc exclusive.

>>Suzanne-lucia.Demitrio@launchpad.unc.edu (Suzanne-lucia Demitrio) writes:
>>>nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
>>
>>I hope I haven't offended you by leaving your name off the list of 
>>people who require a mountain of evidence before taking any evidence
>>of false statements by Susan Garvin seriously, while taking her word
>>(or flimsy wisps of evidence) about other people lying.

>Susan Garvin?  How did Susan Garvin get into this?  I thought we were
>talking about Christmas. 

Like I said, I do think it is high time we got acquainted, and this
seemed like a good starting point.

>But if you're making a list, checking it twice, I'd be honored to make it
>on as a fan of Susan Garvin's rigorousness and sincerity (if not always of
>her sentiments).

I'll check the list as often as necessary.  As of now, it goes:


Mark Cochran   Keith Cochran   Patrick Humphrey  Dean Kaflowitz
Steve Novak   Steven Mezias  [...]  Jim Keegan   Brian Kauffman
Dan King   Mark Ira Kauffman   drieux   Larry Margolis   Chris Lyman
Ron Bense   Lefty   Gordon Storga, Eric Marsh, Galen Hekhuis ...

[New additions: Eric Marsh and Galen Hekhuis, whose names simply
did not occur to me at the time I made the list.  The [...] indicates
removal of J H Woodyatt.  I don't want to put anyone on the list
who is not *completely* comfortable with being on it.]

not to mention:

Adrienne Regard   Sarah McCabe  Muriel Nelson   Kathi Mills  Heather
rocker    Teddi  Linda Birmingham   Suzanne-lucia Demetrio

The last is, of course, a new addition, the omission for which I 
apologized in advance:

>>If I did, my apologies.  

>To whom?  Susan Garvin, or me?

To you, of course.  I think your testimony just now obviates the need
for any apology on my part, but if anyone disagrees, hey, I'll gladly
apologize to her too.

>>Ever hear of Santa Claus?  ACLU?  Santa balancing creche scenes?

For the benefit of someone wishing to take my questions seriously, the
issue was that we could not celebrate Christmas if God did not exist,
according to Ms. Demetrio, and the above was my response.

>He doesn't balance them, dear -- he packs them up neatly in styrofoam
>popcorn and stashes them away in his sack.  Balancing them would be
>madness at that speed, in an open sleigh.

Obviously Ms. Demetrio would like to drop the above issue, so I will
say no more about it here, but post a second follow-up which will 
appear only on talk.religion misc.

>>>> [Petey hopes] that they [the aborted] may indeed experience 
>>>> their First Birth
>>
>>>You'd like the 'little ones' who have already been *aborted* to experience
>>>birth?  Are you a reincarnationist, or just incoherent?
>>
>>It was an allusion to the "Second Birth" in "Hark the Herald Angels Sing."

>Do you always use 'first' to allude to 'second'?  Ever coach Little League?

No, and no.

>>I say this for the benefit of people who tuned in late, since you know
>>damn well 

>Don't cuss.  Santa is watching you.

>>what I was talking about, 

>You overestimate me.  Which birth is which?  If you're tagged out on
>first, do you get to steal second?  

I sure in heaven hope the aborted little ones get to second, or whatever
you want to call it.

There is a special rule in baseball that if the catcher drops the third
called strike, the player can run to first.  The little ones
do usually strike out as far as the projected First birth is concerned, 
but I hope they get to first and/or second in some other way.  That would 
be nice.

Peter Nyikos