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From: robs@bcstec.boeing.com (Robert Sipe)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: How much can you eat???
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:03:32 GMT
Organization: boeing

In article <10979@autodesk.COM> scottk@mis4.uucp (scott) writes:
>Has anyone had this problem??
>Ive been trying to increase my calorie intake while still keeping fats low, but
>Im having a problem reaching 3000 calories per day because I constantly feel
>bloated and full.  Yes, I am trying to eat 5-6 smaller meals but by the time 
>the 4th meal rolls around I dont feel like eating anymore.  
>
>Can anyone recommend any high calorie/low fat foods that are not filling?? Or
>should I maybe try a carbo drink with each meal?  Im not really trying to 
>gain weight, Im trying to increase my lean mass while decreasing fat.
>Weights+Aerobics.

Sure wish I had your problem!
From: bagdy@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Mark Bagdy)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 13:33:58 GMT
Subject: Re: slim shake, NOT!  (calorie bloopers)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Loveland, CO
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

In misc.fitness, SSDC2@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (J Green) writes:


       from my calculations:
>>>>>> 1 * 8 =    8 calories from fat
           ^
           ^
SHOULDN'T THIS BE A NINE (9)??

       26 * 4 =  104 calories from protein
       45 * 4 =  180 calories from carbs
       -----------------------------------
                 292 total calories

    Janice"read the label carefully"G
From: pichocki@chekov.UU.NET (Stephen Pichocki)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: My aerobics teacher can't follow the music
Date: 11 Apr 92 17:22:05 GMT
Reply-To: pichocki@bones.UUCP (Stephen Pichocki)
Organization: Northern Telecom, Ottawa, Canada

I instruct Step Aerobics and encourage people to follow their instincts, and
do their own thing.  Most of the instructors I know don't have a problem
with someone in their class doing something different during the class.

Regards,

Stephen Pichocki
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 08:18:38 EDT
From: Troy Allen Cross <TAC@ysub.ysu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Metabolism Query

In article <1992Apr9.183953.22248@raid.dell.com>, ruby@raid.dell.com (Ruby
Pan-Ratzlaff) says:
>
>                                                             A muscle
>bound person can weigh more than a fat person of the same height and
>definitely be healthier.

Please, don't spread the myth about person with muscles being muscle bound.

Strength, body fat ratio, flexibility, ... are all part of being fit
(healthy).

Troy
From: sol@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ana von Klopp)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Soy Milk & Veggi Protein
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:52:04 GMT
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, University of Edinburgh
In-reply-to: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu's message of 10 Apr 92 20:01:12 GMT


In article <14313@pitt.UUCP> jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Jan B Larsen) writes:

> Veggi protein doesn't contain all the essential amino acids, so it`s not 
> as good as protein from animal sources.  
> 

There are eight essential amino acids, all of which can be found in
vegetables. In order to use the protein from whatever food you eat for
building/replacing, rather than as fuel, you need to get the different
amino acids in certain ratios. For instance, if there is little
lyseine in something, that inhibits the availability of the other
amino acids as building material. If you're on a lacto- or lacto/ovo- 
vegetarian diet, this is usually not something you need to worry about.
Vegans, on the other hand, may need to think about how they combine
food.

I suspect that the poster above was referring to the fact than animal
foods often have their amino acids in better ratios than vegetables.
But the combination of different food stuffs in order to make the
amino acids available enhances animal foods too. It is more efficient,
to combine eggs with sweet corn than to eat just eggs.  

I can find the sources for this if people are interested (don't have
them at hand here). 

Ana
--
Quand j'enonce une assertion, je m'apercois tout de suite que
l'assertion contraire est a peu pres aussi interessante, a un point que
cela devient presque superstitieux chez moi.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: James Peters <peters@convex.COM>
Subject: Re: Swimming and Suits
Originator: peters@mikey.convex.com
Reply-To: peters@convex.COM (James Peters)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:27:38 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <1992Apr14.164828.7806@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ah238@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Zupko) writes:
>
>For those that swim out there do you find it comftable with a bikini or
>boxer to swim?
>-- 
>	It may not be today, or tomorrow but the truth will comeout.
>
> 
> AH238@CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU                            --------->>>>>>>>>>JAZ

if comfort is the goal then i would recommend swimming in the buff. it
may be a bit hard it find a pool with such a dress code though, the adams
house pool at harvard is the exception.

there are two reasons to where a "bikini" suit if male, either for show or
to go. if speed is important then minimizing drag is the game therefore a
swimsuit containing a small amount of material. if show is important than 
the endowment one is graced with would determine whether to flaunt it.

regards,
james, peters@convex.com
From: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Jan B Larsen)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Soy Milk & Veggi Protein
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:01:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: pitt.14313
Reply-To: jblst5@icarus.lis.pitt.edu
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article 26022@hellgate.utah.edu, kim%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Kwansik Kim) writes:
>Does anyone know where I can purchase soy milk ?
>I almost gave up getting used to dairy products.
>Local supermarket doesn't seem to carry. 
>
>Also I have a question on veggi protein. Is veggi protein equally
>effective with animal protein to help build muscle ?
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>Kwansik Kim


Veggi protein doesn't contain all the essential amino acids, so it`s not
as good as protein from animal sources.

- Jan
From: jalal@ralph.mips.com (Jalal Rajabali)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Carbs
Date: 13 Apr 1992 20:29:32 GMT
Organization: Mips Computer Systems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jalal@ralph.mips.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.mips.com



How many calories does one gram of Carbohydrate has?

Is it true that one gram of fat/protein has 9 calories?

e-mail: jalal@mips.com

Thanks,
Jalal
From: jpeach@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Need info on "Carpal Tunnel Syndrome"
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:30:00 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <1992Apr6.200917.625@csc.ti.com>, vishal@ra.csc.ti.com (Vishal Markandey) writes:
> Apologies if this is not the right news group for this 
> sort of question.  I posted on dfw.general earlier without
> much response:
> 
> A graphic artist friend of mine is having a problem with
> his wrists because most of his work is mouse based.  He
> tried switching from the right hand to the left and now
> the left hand is also acting up.  He suspects it may be
> "Carpal Tunnel Syndrome" and would like recommendations
> for orthopedic/other doctors in the DFW area, specially
> from someone who may have had a similar problem.  He
> would also appreciate any helpful advice.  Please email
> me at: vishal@ra.csc.ti.com or post responses here.
> 

Well there is several things that your friend should do.  He should see a 
good orthopedic surgeon but in the mean time he should tell him to go to
his local drug store and by a wrist brace.  There is basically two types.
one that will privide heat to the heat and a support the wrist.  The second
onw will provide a lot of support to the wrist so that it basically does 
not move.  Since his CTS is from moveing the wrist a lot will using the mouse
the second type I have discribed will probly be better, I think that they are
cheaper also.  This will prevent him from usig the wrist and will allow the
CT to heel.

When using the mouse he should also keep his hand in a neutral postion.  That
is 105 degrees measured along the center of the forearm and the center of the
wrist from a side view.  When moving the mouse he should learn to control 
it with his elbow and shoiulder  muscles.  This may be hard from him to do but
it will help a lot.

Besides doing all this he should redesign his work habbits.  Take wrist breaks
every fifteen mintunes or so.  Stop using the wrist and the whole arm for that
matter for a couple of mintues.  This will allow the muscles and tendons rto
relax, thus preventimng any further overuse damage to them. 
 
 
///MiStEr pEaCh\\\
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: scott@phylo.life.uiuc.edu (Scott Howard)
Subject: Re: metabolism changes from diet
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 21:13:21 GMT

People starve to death because their cells will scavenge
cellular components that they need to perform their functions.
(in response to nutrient deprevation) Usually the immune system is depressed,
and some bacterium that would normally be easily repelled comes
along and wipes out them out before they can actually starve to death.

--
	    "Language is a virus from Outer Space."
				    - William S. Burroughs

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: vishal@ra.csc.ti.com (Vishal Markandey)
Subject: Need info on "Carpal Tunnel Syndrome"
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:09:17 GMT

Apologies if this is not the right news group for this 
sort of question.  I posted on dfw.general earlier without
much response:

A graphic artist friend of mine is having a problem with
his wrists because most of his work is mouse based.  He
tried switching from the right hand to the left and now
the left hand is also acting up.  He suspects it may be
"Carpal Tunnel Syndrome" and would like recommendations
for orthopedic/other doctors in the DFW area, specially
from someone who may have had a similar problem.  He
would also appreciate any helpful advice.  Please email
me at: vishal@ra.csc.ti.com or post responses here.

Thanks!

Vishal
From: lantin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Maria Lantin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Need advice
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:04:13 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

I have been reading this thread and I wonder if this women has gotten any 
good advice about her problem through e-mail...so far on the net all there
has been are "YEAH I AGREE"'s.  Here is my two shiny pennies worth:

	I have to apologize that I don't have the article with me but I 
remember you saying that you did not want to go to the gym because (one
of the reasons) you did not want to drag the whole bathroom cupboard with
you.  My question is: why is this necessary?  When are you proposing to
go to the gym?  If you were to go at night after work or something then 
all that is needed is a quick shower and the rest can be done at home no?
( if done at all).  I also would like to point out that (oh I should say
that I am assuming that by bathroom cupboard you mean make up and such)
most people that have converted lifestyles that I know- meaning have lost
weight and have started going to a gym regularly etc..- have also changed
the way they treat there bodies and are more natural.  Therefore, they 
do not need to do much more than take a quick shower and go.

	You also mention kids.  Is it really impossible to find a time 
when your kids are not around or perhaps when someone (a relative, husband...)
could watch them for 1 to 1 1/2 hours?

I assure you, though, that the motivation will come when you see the
improvements in yourself, not only in the way you look but in the way you 
look at the world in general.  You will also have more energy, that goes
almost without saying.

I do hope that you can overcome the difficulties you have mentionned, it is
definitely worth it. :)


				gotta go,
				The big me (ha!)
From: euahac@eua.ericsson.se (Hakan Carlson)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Nonfat milk
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:30:34 GMT
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden

ds17@gte.com (Douglas Sager) writes:

>Nonfat milk is the same as skim milk.  I believe that it has trace of fat,
>but is so small that the percent fat would be practically zero.

>It was interesting to learn how much fat in percentage is in whole milk in
>comparison to low fat milk (1% or 2%).  It is 3.3% !!

>Also whole milk (pasteurized) can cause mucus.  So I will have to try
>raw milk and see what happens.  In the meantime I am switching to low fat
>milk, not skim milk as the milk fat has value in that there is vitamin D
>oil in it.

Because I live in Sweden I don't have the same kinds of milk as you have
but I have found it interesting to read this thread to find out what
different kind of milks there is.

In Sweden we have the following:

Whole fat milk		3% fat
Medium fat milk	       1-2% fat can't remeber, I never buy it.
Low fat milk		0.5% fat
Mini milk		0.1% fat My choice, no big difference in taste to 0.5% fat.

All kind of milks(even youghurt) that have there fat contents reduced is
vitaminized(sp?) here in Sweden, so if I remeber correctly Low fat/Mini milk
have got MORE vitamins then Whole fat milk.

The debate in Sweden over milk the last couple of years, is not only concerned
over fat but also that the digestive system of adults is better of handling
youghurt or "soured milk"(Don't now the english name). But the big national
health problem in Sweden, with regard to dairy products, is that we eat too
much and too fat cheese.

Personally I use Low fat soured milk with my morning cereal and low fat youghurt
with my "after work-out meal".

Hakan Carlson
ELLEMTEL Telecommunication Systems Laboratories
SWEDEN
MAIL: Hakan.Carlson@eua.ericsson.se
From: lkoh@elman.austin.ibm.com (Lisa Koh)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Quick! Help!
Date: 10 Apr 92 15:47:20 GMT
Organization: IBM Austin, TX

My neck has been killing me since i got up this morning...
intense pain when i tilt my head....
help !   what should i do??

Lisa Koh
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: nasg9734@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (???)
Subject: FAQ?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:38:07 GMT

If there is one, I'd appreciate either a copy, or an address that I could
get it from.  Thanks!!

My wife and I are weight training and have several questions that I'm sure
have been beat to death here, so I thought I'd spare you all!

Nick

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: sankar@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Sriram Sankar)
Subject: upper back problems
Originator: sankar@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:07:46 GMT


I have occasionally had problems with my upper back - most
probably a muscle sprain or something.  It has always happened
when I wake up in the morning - probably a combination of a
bad sleeping posture and some rigorous exercise the previous evening.
It happened again a couple of days ago - this time while I was
waxing my car - and I wasn't even applying too much pressure.

So I've finally decided to take care of it properly this time,
like going to a doctor, etc.  Are there any physical therapists
out there who can tell me exactly how I should go about handling
my problem - I'm worried that my HMO will minimize my problem.
Someone has told me that chances are that I have a weak upper
back and that I need some exercises to fix some neglected muscles.

I lift weights, jog, and occasionally play racquetball - so I'm
not completely ignoring things!

Thanks in advance for your responses.

Sriram.

sankar@cs.stanford.edu
From: grs02502@stat.appstate.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Metabolism Query
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:34:09 GMT
Organization: Appalachian State University

In article <17831@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, harvey@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Betty Harvey) writes:
> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to increase your metabolism
> rate.  I jog (30 minutes) or bicycle (1 hour) everyday and in order
> to maintain my weight I have to eat next to nothing.  I know it is
> my metabolism.  The books that I have read say that if you exercise
> regular (which I do daily) that your metabolism will increase.  It
> doesn't work.  Any suggestions?
> 
> I don't mind bicycling but sometimes an hour is hard to fit into my
> schedule and the weather isn't always condusive.  I hate jogging but at 
> least I can fit it in and I can jog when the weather is bad or cold.  I 
> would like to be able to do aerobics twice or three times a week and not 
> have to worry about gaining weight. I also feel like you get a better
> workout with aerobics. 



You have stated your problem within your question.  If you eat next to nothing,
your metabolism can't speed.  I know this sounds strange because I was in the
same position.  I wanted to have some good muscle size and low bodyfat.  I
worked out and rode the bike and ate about 1500-2200 calories a day.  Well,
this got me virtually no  reductions in bodyfat and very nice losses in muscle
tissue.  I did the aerobics, why wasn't my metabolism speeding up.  I started
reading about this guy Parrillo who says he can make people force feed
themselves and lose weight.  He says the less you eat, the slower your
metabolism get.  If you eat the amount your body needs, your metabolism will
work fine.  It took me 3 months of thinking about it to try it.  I finally
jumped my calories up to 3200 a day and said, "I'll either get fat or cut, but
I am not starving myself anymore."  It Worked!  I worked out the same with my
weight and aerobics.  My bodyfat dropped and my muscles filled out.  You have
to look at it this way.  Don't go into a negative calorie defecit by cutting
your food down.  This makes your metabolism slow down, and your body doesn't
care where it gets energy from, fat, carbs, or protein.  Eat enough so that you
maintain your bodyweight without aerobics.  Then when you add in aerobics, it
draws on fat for energy.  Therefore, you have enough calories to maintain and
build muscle, and your body burns excess fat from the aerobics.  This is a
fairly generalized description, but I hope it gives you the idea.
Hope This Helps.
From: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: re:how many calories
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:04:58 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: kji@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU

Janet:

I can't speak for everyone, but I, because I have dieted since I was
10, and have consequently ruined my metabolism because of it(and I
have been treated for hypothyroidism for the past 10 years), cannot
eat anywhere close to 2000 calories for more than 1 day, or I'll
gain weight.  I have to stay under 1200 cals. to maintain(consuming
less than 10 gms. of fat), and under 950 cals. a day to lose.(consuming
even less fat).  I suppose I could even eat less on a reduction diet and 
survive, but I exercise too hard every day, and I would probably pass out.

I have also heard that 2000 cal. number.  It was in reference to an average
active woman.

Now on the other extreme, I know that my sister's husband can eat 5000 cals
a day, anything he wants, and not only maintain his weight, but a natural
5% bodyfat level.  Naturally, I hate him.


(PS-here's an interesting, non-related fact.  People from the tri-state
are of Western PA and respective areas have more of an incidence of thyroid
dysfunction than people from anywhere else in the world.)  Maybe that's why
everone I know is always dieting.
From: nbernste@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Norman Bernstein)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: slim shake, NOT!
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:19:41 GMT
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center

woodside@maestro.mitre.org (Jim Woodside) writes:

>Norman Bernstein says:

>>When a product label indicates the number of calories, they are
>>referring to the total carolies in a single serving.  By adding in fat,
>>protein and carbs again you are calculating a non-sense number.
                    ^^^^^

> < additional discussion deleted >

> So you see, there is a coorelation here and the numbers should add up.
> The discrepency on the label in question appears to be in error, unless that
> calculated the total calories when mixed with water, and the carbs, protein,
> and fat were calculated when mixing with milk.  But this would certainly be
> misleading.

Good point Jim.  I read Janice's original posting as if she was adding
the calories from carbs, protien and fat to the total number of calories
on the label (effictively doubling the number of calories from those
components).  I should have read her note more closely.

Janice (where ever you are) . . . sorry about that.
From: jpeach@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Carbs
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:16:49 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <kujrpcINNo67@spim.mips.com>, jalal@ralph.mips.com (Jalal Rajabali) writes:
> 
> 
> How many calories does one gram of Carbohydrate has?
> 
> Is it true that one gram of fat/protein has 9 calories?
> 
According to the Atwater factor, Carbohydrates have 4 kcal per gram,
Fats have 9 kcal per gram and protein has 4 kcal per gram (not 9 as you said) 
 
 
///MiStEr pEaCh\\\
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng)
Subject: Re: Advice for weight gaining
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:47:04 GMT

In article <5270@npri6.npri.com>, bryan@npri6.npri.com (Bryan Smith) writes:
|> icmgr081@Eagle.oscs.montana.edu writes:
|> 
|> >I am 5'10" tall and weigh only 115 lbs. Very low weight for my height, and I
|> >look very skinny too. Most of the time I don't feel like eating anything at
|> >all. Can you suggest some simple beginning exercises, which I can do at home to
|> >increase my appetite. 
|> 
|> >Is it advisable to take health foods like amino acids, weight gainers, muscle
|> >builders, etc.. If it is allright to take them, please suggest some brand

About 8 years ago, I took Joe Weiders crash weight gainer and mixed it
with Joe Weider's dynamic muscle builder and drank it three times a day with
milk and lifted weights everyday.  I did this for a week and a half and gained 
10 lbs.  The results were pretty amazing but the shitty taste of the stuff and all
the gas I got from drinking the milk mixed with Joe's stuff almost made it
not worth it except nowdays they have that dairy-ease stuff so maybe it wouldn't
be that bad anymore.
From: lantin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Maria Lantin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Calories burned while thinking
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:40:51 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada

In article <92103.111526GU7@psuvm.psu.edu> GU7@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>I've read and seen posted here and in other groups information
>about the amount of calories burned during various physical
>activities.  However, no mention is ever made of the number of
>calories burned while thinking.  I'm not talking about sitting
>on the couch thinking, I'm talking high-powered,hard-work,geez-my-
>head-hurts-when-I'm-done thinking.  I'm finishing a 1.5 year long
>research project and writing the final report.  Man, this is tough

I am a university student and I can appreciate the effort spent in 
studying REEEEEEEALLY hard. 

I would think (ha!) that for people who don't usually think that much
(basically on automatic most of the time) probably expand more energy
because of the strain put on the brain.  For those of us who think 
constantly well the equation, I imagine, is more complicated.

so let X be the number of calories spent in thinking about the hardest
thought to think about (don't read this sentence twice it won't make
any more sense) this would be something different for everyone but
basically something like thinking about infinity for example.

then the number of calories spent (per 15 minutes of thought) is:

    X* (difficulty of thought/maximum difficulty)/mental fitness metric

I guess now all that is left is finding this number X.  I would guess that
it is around 5 or something...

Hope this answers your question :)  

				Maria