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From: Duane.Downs@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Duane Downs)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Team USA and Olympic Bowling
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:46:16 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

Just finished watching an exhibition match here in Atlanta between the 
current men's and women's Team USA and the Irish National team. They were 
for three days, Sunday - Tuesday bowling singles, doubles, trios, mixed, 
5-man team regular and 5-man team Baker matches. I caught the Sunday and 
Tuesday competition. I am sad to say the local bowling community did not 
turn out to observe the exhibition. The local press, although notified in 
advance, did not cover the event. There was a small article in the local 
paper because one of the women's Team USA members, Lucy Giavonco is 
living here in Atlanta. 

Anyway, to the point....I am looking for what you know out there about 
Team USA....and what people know and/or think about international 
competition and most of all having bowling in the 1996 Olympics here in 
Atlanta.   Currently bowling is NOT in the 1996 Olympics, but the United 
States Tenpin Bowling Federation (USTBF) is actively investigating 
the opportunity. My understanding of the situation is that any additional 
sports added to the current venue MUST financially support themselves. 
The Atlanta Organizing Committee will consider other sports but AT NO 
COST beyond what is currently budgeted. If bowling is to be added, the 
bowling community has to get together and financially support the effort. 

What do you think??   Should bowling be in the Olympics in 1996 and 
beyond?  Can we raise the necessary funds, whatever that might be....
Women's fast pitch softball is kicking around an $11 million dollar figure 
right now!!! This doesn't mean that what we need but it won't be cheap. 
Will the bowlers of the U.S. support the cost?  Let me know what you 
think. Talk to your league members and fellow bowlers. 

The USTBF and Team USA would like to hear our ideas...
If any of you want to personnaly contact the USTBF, the address is the same 
as the ABC and WIBC:  
       USTBF
       5301 South 76th Street, Greendale, WI  53129
       ATTN: Gerald L. Koenig, Executive Director   or
             Barbara Peltz, Associate Director

The phone number is 414-423-3293
The FAX number is 414-421-1194
    
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: Bowling Honor Roll
Followup-To: Bowling honor roll
Keywords: bowling honor roll
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1992 12:17:31 GMT

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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: 7-10 split..... picked-up.
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:09:58 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Great job... I had a 7-10 last night also... kind of a rarity for me...
but of course... I only got the 7  :-)

Sounds like a definite honor roller to me!

Dave
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Bowling software
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 15:34:40 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Robert  Malick  just  emailed me and let me know that the  software is
available via anonymous ftp from  wuarchive.wustl.edu.  The  directory
is:  mirror/msdos/database/bowl101j.zip

Just a note:  this is an  older  version.  The  version  on the BBS is
bowl101L and I think the paid for version is 101M.

Dave
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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Rhino Pro questions
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6D4E3F6B9032631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Thu, 10 Sep 92 16:37:26 GMT
Organization: World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d8
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:43:51 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.150908.21456@col.hp.com> Dave Fleck,
fleck@col.hp.com writes:
>what is the diffrence  between the Black, Blue, and Neon models?  Also
>what  kind of  prices  do you have in your  area?  I was in a pro shop
>here looking at their book and the price listed was $99.  But it would
>cost me $149 to buy it from them....  nice markup.
>

I don't know off hand what the difference is between the different
colors but I suspect the black is the softest and used for oily/semi-oily
conditions...

I've owned over 30 bowling balls in the past 4 years, of all of them I
think I like the Rhino Pro the most (atleast for the current lane
conditions).
It's very reliable, hits VERY hard, yet scatters the pins for good pin
action.  The break on the ball is gradual, it's not the kind of ball you
would
want if you want a ball that radically breaks (like the Sumo).  That's one
of the major points I like about it.  Almost on any lane condition, it
breaks
about 5-10 boards and that's it.  I like that.  I'm even using it to pick
up
ten pins!

Of course..that's just my biased view...actual milage may vary...

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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From: locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Different Lanes, Different Lines...
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:49:34 GMT
Reply-To: locke@caesi.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

Howdy Bowlers!

Last night was the 1st nite of my winter league and I kept my scores
appropriately low ;-) on purpose of course!  Well kind of.  Anyway my 
question is regarding the differences between the lines I had to play on
the pair of lanes.

I'm not sure of how the 5 dots on the approach translate into board numbers,
so bear with me on this....

Left lane was hooking substantially more than the right so I stood w/my
left foot about 2 boards right of the leftmost dot (what the heck board
is this????) and rolled the balled over the 10 board.  It worked if I
hit anywhere from the 9-12 board.  (IF I hit the mark!)

Right lane - not hooking as much.  My left foot was 2 boards to the left
of the center dot (what the heck board is THIS???) and I was shooting at
the 7 board.  Anywhere from the 5 board to the 8 board seemed to work.

Is this what you have to do when the lanes are so different?  A lot of
people try to tell me not to move around so much ... To "go back home"
but usually the 5 board area is so dry that my ball hooks too much and
I either leave a nasty split or go brooklyn.

BTW, WHY is it that you can sometimes hit the pocket in what looks like
a very solid way & leave the 7-10???? It happened last night.  Is it
angle at the pocket, ball speed, or what?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Anne.

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From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: Hall of SHAME nomination?
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:24:51 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org> writes:
> 
> Well, boys and girls...
> 
> Last night was my first night for my Thursday night league..
> I hearby nominate myself for the Hall of SHAME..
> 
> GAWD did I bowl bad! :-(
> 
> 167..
> 190...
> 198..
> 
> 555 set...
> 

Could have been worse!  the PBA member on our team bowl 507 last wednesday!

190-131-186.....
From: mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: "Killer" bowling balls
Followup-To: alt.sport.bowling
Date: 11 Sep 1992 17:19:26 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu

In article <26226@dog.ee.lbl.gov> TWChan@lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:

>I suppose if you bowl with very bad technique coupled with a great
>deal of force, you can hurt yourself.  I doubt you can actually do
>it such that the ball only comes off a certain way but if you're
>wearing a "Cobra", IMO you deserve it (0.5 :-)).  

True, the _Cobra_ does require you to come out of the ball in a 
restricted manner, but from what I've seen, it's a *good* restric-
tion.  The _Cobra_ keeps you behind the ball and prevents you from 
topping it.  The most successful Cobra users don't fight the restric-
tiveness and hence, aren't getting injured by it.

>I have found that
>you can hurt yourself with fingertip drilled holes but the pain is
>usually in the fingers, not the wrist.  

Uh, aside from tendon damage, ever hear of "Carpal Tunnel" Syndrome?
Don't tell that to bowlers who suffer from CTS...
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: well complain I guess..
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6DB6D0131012631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Tue, 15 Sep 92 15:35:45 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d8
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 14:42:10 GMT

Well, I started the Monday night league last night
(GAWD I just realized I'm in THREE leagues and
sub on two!)...

no hall of fame games but...

232
185
207

624 set..

Don't ask what happend the second game..all my fault,
one of those games that if I didn't strike, I split.
Strangely enough, one ball really slammed the
pocket in the second game and left the 5-7-10!
But then again, that's how the ENTIRE game went.
Strike or split, strike or split..was like a bad
nightmare...oh well..ended up with a 208 avg.
(handicap was based on 80% of 200, so nada for
handicap for THAT league I guess..)



-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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From: mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Good Ball for *Very* Dry Lanes?
Date: 14 Sep 1992 20:47:32 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu

In article <23283@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> locke@caesi.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke) writes:
>Hi.
>
>Like the subject says, I'm looking for suggestions for a harder ball for
>*extremely* dry conditions.  I currently use a black u-dot and last nite
>I couldn't keep the dang thing on the lanes.  I bowled 4 games yesterday
>morning at the same house with fairly good results, but by the time my
>8:30 league rolled around it was as if someone had sanded the lanes down!
>
>So I've resigned myself to the fact that I need another ball for these
>Sahara-like conditions that Gable House forces us to bowl under.  They
>charge the scratch league members extra to have the lanes oiled before
>their league!
>
>Any suggestions?
>Thanks,
>Anne.

Boy, I didn't think Gable House would ever let their lanes get
ridiculously dry, but I guess things change...

Since GH has the Perry-Austin "Guardian" lane surface, plastic balls
seem to fit the bill when the lanes get/are dry.  I've used a Brunswick 
_Black Beauty_ there with some success.  You can try other plastics,
like Columbia _White Dots_ or _Blue Dots_, the Brunswick _Laser_, or
some of the plastic Ebonite _Gyro I_ balls.  Or for something just a
tad softer, the Columbia _Yellow Dot Legend_ in both blue or maroon/
burgundy.

In urethanes, the Ebonite _Turbo_ in scarlet or sapphire are two of
the harder ones available.  The pink or pearl blue Hammers do well
on dry, too.  

Talk, if he doesn't irk you, to Ken Puleston in the pro shop there.
He probably can give you more insight into combatting your dry lane
dilemma since he's there most every day.

Then there's fiddling around with the static/dynamic balance of the
ball, but that's another post....
From: bbaker@cbmvax.commodore.com (Bob Baker)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: 9-No-Tap Tourney Was Fun
Date: 10 Sep 92 14:08:09 GMT
Reply-To: bbaker@cbmvax.commodore.com (Bob Baker)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <92Sep09.040905.29360@acs.ucalgary.ca> quigley@acs.ucalgary.ca (Martyn Thomas Quigley) writes:
> In article <34930@cbmvax.commodore.com> bbaker@cbmvax.UUCP (Bob Baker) writes:
> >
> >Wound up bowling in a local 9-No-Tap tournament over the holiday weekend
>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Er, what's that?
> 
> Martyn


Simple, any time you throw a 9 count on your first ball - 
                                              it's scored as a strike!
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: 7-10 split..... picked-up.
Organization: GTE/SCSD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 11:59:12 GMT

Definite Honor Roll qualifications there... Congratulations.  I think
that 3/4 of the people who make the 7-10 do exactly the same thing, turn
around and miss it.  I made the 'easier' 7-9 split and didn't see it
either.  Congrats again.  Definitely go for the 300 now!!!  :-)

--
Larry King
GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
E-Mail : king%ssvax.dnet@get.com
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: craig@freezer.cns.udel.edu (Craig Prettyman)
Subject: Stats software for beLEAGUEr'd secy 
Reply-To: craig@freezer.cns.udel.edu
Organization: CNS User Services
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:21:36 GMT

I'm looking forward to starting my tenth year of league bowling tonight,
but I'm not looking forward to doing most of stats by hand again.  Last
year was my first year of being league secretary, and after starting the
year doing stats by hand I quickly learned that was NOT the way to do it.
I wrote a very simple program to calculate series scores, averages, etc,
but I am looking for something a little more comprehensive.  I know there
must be some really good bowling stats software out there but I have not
been able to find a source.  Can anyone recommend a certain package they
use (or have heard of) and possibly include information about where I
could get/buy it?  The local software stores around here don't carry
anything with that small a user base and I think I threw away my
shareware software catalog when I moved this summer (never needed it
until now!).

Any and all responses greatly appreciated!!

---
Craig Prettyman                                    craig@freezer.cns.udel.edu
CNS User Services                                       craig@chopin.udel.edu
University of Delaware                                         craig@udel.edu
Newark, DE 19716                                               (302) 831-6095


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From: king@ssvax.gte.com (Larry King)
Subject: Re: Hall of SHAME nomination?
Organization: GTE/SCSD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:04:53 GMT

aki (aki@atlas.worldbank.org) wrote:
: 
: You know, just out of curiosity, I took an informal survey last week (for
: most
: leagues the first week of winter league) and (all disclaimers apply), I
: noticed
: something kinda strange...(survey taken at two local houses in the
: area)...
: 
: For the first week,
: 
: 1. Almost EVERYONE with 190 or better averages did not bowl their average.
: 2. Almost EVERYONE with 150 or less averages bowled ABOVE their average.
: 
: Does this mean:
: 
: 1.  Next (this) weeks bowling will be an interesting week for handicaps?
: 2.  Something happened while I was asleep, and this is going to be a LONG
:      season?
: 
: hmmmm......
: 
: -Aki

	I noticed the same thing in a few leagues I am following also
(bowling 1, strong interest in another).  Last season in the Monday
night league I am in, of the 11 200+ averages last year, only 2 averaged
that high.  1 shot 690 (exception case) and the other just shot 610.  Of
the others their combined average was about 550.  I am excluding myself
due to the switch of hands.  (I wish I could average 206 rightie, bowl
lefty for the summer and come back averaging 200+... NOT)  I was
attributing it to a couple of things.  

1) Basic rustiness - Most of the higher bowlers did not look in sync.
They just seemed to be going through the motion.  Their concentration
was low and they were not sharp.

2) Handicap - 5 of the bowlers that ended over 200 last year were
averaging 180-185 for the first half and turned it up the second half.
I know lane conditions change and maybe the house changed the shot for
the second half but 20 pin jumps for 1/2 a year is pretty high.  None of
them shot over 540 for the first 2 weeks.  
It is tough to beat a person who can consistantly
beat his average by 20+ pins with handicap and has enough games that
their average goes up slowly. 

	I think this is fairly common but I also feel that with the
changing of shots, the increase of oil (at least at the house I am in)
and being the first week (9:30 weeknight league) had something to do
with it also. 
 
After 5 weeks we shall see where the people sit.  Hmmmmm.....

--
Larry King
GTE Government Systems, Needham, MA    		(617) 455-3384 
E-Mail : king%ssvax.dnet@get.com
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Lanes & Baby Powder
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 12:49:32 GMT

  Due to my work schedule, I only bowl on weekends...right after 1,000's of
open play/non-league bowlers.  On Friday night, I started the new league 12
pins over my book avg.  On Sunday eve, (5pm) I got a pair of lanes that had
been so slicked over by baby powder, I avg'd. 16 pins under avg.  I'm the
lucky one, the 2 guys avg'd 40 & 80 pins under (respectively).  We noticed
the powder after we started our shadow balls.  We did have someone "clean
it up", but by then the damage was done, all 8 of us had slipped & slid all
over the lanes, & the confidence was shot...Talk about establishing low
averages...
Pamela
From: locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: 9-No-Tap Tourney Was Fun
Date: 8 Sep 92 19:53:54 GMT
Reply-To: locke@caesi.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Distribution: usa
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <34930@cbmvax.commodore.com> bbaker@cbmvax.UUCP (Bob Baker) writes:
>
>Wound up bowling in a local 9-No-Tap tournament over the holiday weekend
>with one of our group actually cashing around 5th or 6th place. I bowled
>258-258-229 to make it to the finals but would up getting nailed with a
>number of splits in the single game finals. My friend bowled a 300 and 
>two high 200's in qualifying followed by a 290 in the finals. One bowler
>on our pair in the finals bowled a 297 and finished 3rd. They actually
>were giving handicap and a lady bowled 270+ in the finals with 50+ pins
>handicap.
>

I bowled a No Tap Tourney last nite too (opposite coast from Bob).  
Didn't cash...  maybe it was that I passed my optimum beer consumption ;-)  
I had a 701 series (w/handicap :-( ).  Men's winner had a 949 >8-o  
and the women's winner had an 801 (her average is 127).  I had a good time, 
though and 40-50 more pins would've cashed me.  Back to the practice lanes...

No food with this tournament and the house was really disorganized with
running it.  If I had any viable options, I'd take my business elsewhere..
but there just *aren't* many other houses to bowl at in this area (with
decent lanes and no gang members hanging out).

Winter league starts tomorrow... hope I bowl as badly as I have been!
Go for the huge handicap!  You'll need it later!

Anne.

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|  Anne Locke                locke@caesi.scg.hac.com        |
|  **********                                               |
|  Hughes Aircraft Company / Space and Communications Group |
|  Computer Aided Engineering and System Integration        |
|  El Segundo, Ca.                                          |
|  (310) 416-5634                                           |
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