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From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: MA: Fare Price Increase
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:38:23 GMT

Starting from yesterday, 1st Oct, fares in Malaysia increased.
Taxis in KL is allowed to charge 50c extra for the first 2 kms. I cannot
catch the fares for buses.
	I support this move. In fact this increase is too little and too
late. It should be as high as singapore. Imagine a fare of M$1 for minibuses
in KL.
	You may say it is too expensive but it will surely improve services,
provided competition is provided in the same routes.
	A good example is my home town, Sandakan. The bus service used to
be the best in Malaysia, with seats with head rest, with 5 min max waiting time
even in peak hours. This is better than even Singapore. However the buses
are not safety conscious because of these competitions.
	Sandakan also have air con buses. The mini bus fares are also 50c
but the route is shorter, much less traffic lights, than KL. Hopefully
with the fare increase, there will be more air con buses.
	Sabah also pioneer the 13 seat vans for public passengers. In Peninsular
Malaysia, these vans are also used for factory workers. These vans actually can
bring you to your door step because of its small size. It is a step more
convenient than any other bus service in the world.
	What is wrong with the pioneer and the best in the world? We should be
proud of something that is true.

	I support this move 100% which to me is against the wishes of Dr.
Mahathir's speech in Langkawi,"the hotel and other rates should not be
increased because it will cause an increase in cost of living, which in turn
leads to workers demanding higher salary"(these are not his exact words
because I listened to it on TV3 a few days ago).
	Obviously some powerful advisers had managed to convince him of his
errors at long last, instead of treating him like a god. Who is this guy?
Anyone with better knowledge than I'm.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Subject: Re: Let's cut the crap....
Summary: Thanks for being supportive...
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:06:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.015730.4063@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, mhmann@nyx.cs.du.edu (Me Mann) writes:
> In article <1992Sep25.002402.6052@news.ysu.edu> af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
> >
> >In a previous article, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) says:
> >
> >>> CUT THIS CRAP<<
> >
> >Granted. So whacha wanna talk about? Food? Seems to me like any/every
> >conversation will turn to food. So here's my list of places to eat
> 
> Don't generalized hastily! Did your argument on the F16/Mig29 turn to
> food????  Why are you so short of ideas?
> Let me suggest a few: 
> 1)  How about the NEP in Malaysia? 
> 2)  Future of non-bumiputras in Malaysia?
> 3)  Will the bumiputra preferential status be abolished in the near future?
> 4)  University entrance quota etc etc.
> 5)  HOw have MCA/MIC performed relative to DAP? 
> 
> And if you deem them too hot to handle  try:
> 
> What games you play running around nake when you were a boy 8)? 
> 
> [Penang food crap deleted.  Seems like he only knows about food
> in Penang]
> 
> 
> -Me Mann
> 
> 

Me Mann,

	Well, I suppose everyone is not as rational as you're to interpret
my posting like you did. I did suggest few topics that he can talk about if
he doesn't know what to talk about. I'm hoping your listing above will help
or give some idea to others of what to discuss to make this newsgroup a lot
more interesting to read.

	Keep up with the good stuff !!!


Geeva Subramaniam
University Computer Services
Bowling Green State University


Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Subject: Re: Defense of S'pore; was about F16 & Mig29
Reply-To: af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan)
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 07:25:12 GMT


In a previous article, bem30001@nusunix1.nus.sg (LEE CHEE HOE) says:

>sofjan mustopoh (smustopo@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:
>: 
>:   " LATE BREAKING NEWS "
>:  Just receive  from Indonesian news agency "Antara"
>: 
>:     Malaysia and Indonesia has jointly starting the operation
>:  "Hantam saja " in invading Singapore.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^
    Hee...heee...I like this.
 
[munchety-munch]

>You mean the Malaysians and Indonesians are experienced? That's news!
>Which wars have they fought in? The war in East Timor and the struggle
>between Kelantan and K.L.?

No...no...the war against chewing-gum and the war against pissing
in ya own elevators.


>:(stuff deleted)
> 
>   ***************************************************
>:    If you still don't get it his is a JOKE !!!! :) |) 
>:
>Can you joke on some other matters than defence of a nation !! Very
>sensitive you know !

At times like these, I wonder if Y'ALL really take things written in this 
newsgroup to the word, or Y'ALL "try to be patriotic" and hope Goh Chok
Tong happens to subscribe to this newsgroup too.

>n'toni Lee
>National University of Singapore
>School of Building and Estate Management

I.C. Number? Passport number? Telephone number? Bra size number?
Quite hard for Premier Goh to bestow you "Sir" n'toni Lee without these
information.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: bem30001@nusunix1.nus.sg (LEE CHEE HOE)
Subject: Re: Defense of S'pore; was about F16 & Mig29
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:30:05 GMT

TAN GIM WEE (eng20009@nusunix3.nus.sg) wrote:
: With regards to what Andrew has to say about peaceful coexistence and
: not going to war, hey, we are in full support of peace over here in
: Singapore. However, I would refute the statement about Singapore being
: kiasu in terms of defense. Look at it this way, if we were really KS,
: then we would have bought the best and lastest weapons that money can
: buy. But the fact is that we haven't. We are not KS in this, and that's
: why we bother at all to upgrade old weapon systems instead of buying new
: ones, which would be much easier. Going back to the original issue about
: the F16, well it is a great plane. It can play multiple roles and thus
: offer great flexibility and hence is a cost-effective defence system.
: 
: --
: ---------------------------------------------------------
: Tan Gim Wee
: EE Dept, NUS
: internet: eng20009@nusunix3.nus.sg
: bitnet: eng20009@nusvm.bitnet
: "Born to inspire, Destined to perform."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kahchan@banana.iss.nus.sg (low kah chan)
Subject: Re: Blackout in Singapore and West Malaysia
Reply-To: kahchan@iss.nus.sg (low kah chan)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:20:05 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.135050.3937@iti.gov.sg> hcleong@iti.gov.sg (Leong Heng Cheong (Sch 10/92)) writes:
>
>PUB: Not Singapore's fault
>--------------------------
>The New Straits Times, a Malaysian newpaper, yesterday quoted an unanmed
>Malaysian source attributing the power failure in malaysia to Senoko's
>link to the Sultan Iskandar power station in Pasir Gudang, Johor.
>
>THe NST said a generator in the Johor station tripped after Singapore
>sought and was given power following the Senoko breakdown.
>

According to The Straits Times today (1st Oct.) Samyvellu has confirmed
that Malaysia's power failure is not related to Singapore's.  He said
that although Malaysia had been supplying power to Singapore for some
time after the Senoko fire the transmission was terminated well before
the power failure in Malaysia occurred.
From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: scholarship: a joke ? ( was: UM )
Date: 28 Sep 92 23:59:14 GMT

wslee@almond-frost.ai.mit.edu writes:

>were doing engineering, the rest medicine/dentistry.  All but one were supported 
>by scholarship or a loan.  The one who wasn't, was eligible for a Kojadi (MCA) loan.
>If you are refering to government scholarship, yes, my cousin in UKM was supported
>scholarship.  All of them chinese.  I have no evidence if they had connections, but 
Sorry I have to delete most of the article. Somehow the post failed if I 
don't. I am not disputing what you said. I think we are referring to
different periods of time. As I told En. Othman the gov't does relax
the rules from time to time . If you are talking about mid 70's or so
I agree that many non - Bumis have not much problems getting a
scholarship especially if the results are good. A large number of my 
classmate (including myself are on scholarships too !) But how about
in the early 80's ?? A friend was questioned blatantly when she tried to
applied for a Colombo Plan scholarship as it is reserved for Bumis only.
She managed to get a loan finally through her father's connection. On the 
other hand, the scholarship interviewing Board would
actually go to the residential schools to offer the Form 5 and  6 students
scholarships to go overseas. :
Talking about 'connections' I still insist
that it is very rampant from personal experience as well as friends'.
>	IMHO, it is true that scholarships are hard to get nowadays. Very hard
>indeed.  But I do agree with Othman's reasoning to some extent:

>Yes, Mee Teng, it is very very hard to get a scholarship nowadays, but IMHO,
>it is still possible, given enough effort.
>on "the system" ...  it may or may not be true, I don't know. It seems all
>certain such advertisements that say "only bumitras need apply" , a sad
>reality .... 
The gov't may have relaxed the rules for non-Bumi again, especially
now the country is doing well economically. How about have they changed
the rule to allow non-scholarship holder to apply for permanet
posts in DID or JKR ?


>Whay S. Lee.
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: FOOD!!! (Was Re: Let's cut the crap....)
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:10:59 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Sep28.185626.24209@news.ysu.edu>, af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
> 
> BTW: I've received a couple of emails from other people on
>      the topic of food. Anybody interested in recipes???
> 
	All together now.... ***YESSSS!!!!***  Come on, don't tease us like 
this, just transcribe it.  I will post a couple of simple ones after my tests
too...  Happen to have a mom who can really cook, so I didn't have to... 
Suffering now... *-(  Lucky that the M'sians here all can cook, so can go mooch
off them... <HI GUYS!! :)>
	Ciao.

-Tai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: huangs@ecf.toronto.edu (HUANG SUNG CHING)
Subject: Re: School ranking (was Re: Test Sent)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:05:55 GMT


>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:39:49 GMT, kahchan@banana.iss.nus.sg (low
>>>>>> kah chan) said:
>
>low> 1.) RI
>low> 2.) RGS
>low> 3.) Dunman
>low> 4.) Chinese High
>low> (others firgotten)
>
>low> I found it quite strange that well known schools like ACS and SJI were
>low> not among the top ten.  I wonder what criteria were used.
 
     I have noticed that they are all independent schools.  I don't know
much about them since they all became independent after I left Singapore.
Maybe they can get all the funds for better facility to attract better
students.
 
>Dunman was not famous in my days there, that is for sure. We were
>number one Chinese school for ten years and nobody ever knew about us.
>And poor too. Did not even have a library. Then 8% students came and
>the name was changed to Dunman High. Then we had a air-conditioned
>library. Then Language Labs, etc. Maybe I should go back for a look.
 
 
     Dunman is well-known to people living in the East Coast Area, for
example Katong and Marine Parade.  I heard that Dunman High has taken over
the buildings that belonged to Dunman Secondary now.  The school has also
become independent.  I am not from Dunman, but from one of the neighbouring
schools.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Samyvellu and MIC
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 01:54:00 GMT

fajack@cc.usu.edu writes:
: 
: 	I don't have the slightest idea of what you are trying to convey.  What
: do you mean by 'sporting', 'British educated', and 'Asian culture' ?
: 

Find out more about British/English and Asian cultures. 
: 
: 
: 
: > 	What makes you think that Dr Mahathir wants to step down soon? The
: > key words were " will step down when people do not need me". Remember the post
: > about his health? Posters and I bet Malaysians of all races were shocked and
: > worried, as though there are no other leaders to replace him?
: > 	Ask your self? Who is to be blamed?
: 
: 	Blame who ? for what ?  
You are obviously too stupid that you will not know even if I tell you
blatantly.
: 
: 	Rallying is part of the democratic process.   Election is not the

This shows how stupid you are. You are saying that the Nazis and Ku Klux Klan
rallies show how democratic they were.

: only symbol of democracy.  and that is the major problem with malaysia

No voting no democracy. Others are not important and can be ignored 
completely, like freedom of speech etc. These are not democratic principles,
only basic human rights. Read some more.

:         There is no doubt in my mind Samyvellu is one of the most corrupted
: politicians in Malaysia.  If the indian community is indeed supportive of

"innocent until proven guilty"

: him, it is because they do not know the full truth (guess why ?).

"rule of the people", "trust the people, not yourself or the minority"

You are obviously as democratic as the Nazis and communists.

: 	There is a English idiom something like the fish is rotten at the
: head first.  I am sure Mahatir is fully aware of the hanky panky going on
: around his administration, and he chose to do nothing about this.  Well,
: that tells you much about the 1982 election slogan 'Trust, Integrity'.

Use the 2 rules above to judge you comments.
It is the presence of a lot of immature citizens like you that had caused
the retardation of Developing nations.
	I'm very sure that if you are in power, you will become a dictator.

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet
From: songbac@coos.dartmouth.edu (Song Bac Toh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Malaysia: SRP Questions Leak
Summary: Questions from SRP Exam are reported to be leaked out
Keywords: SRP
Date: 29 Sep 92 12:28:48 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


	This is probably more interesting for dudes from Malaysia.  Our
SRP (or is it called PMR?) questions leak out again.  Those poor guys
may have to resit some of the subjects.

	I remember I had to resit my SPM BM too.  This is getting too far.
I wonder what kind of security they have in those offices.  Any comment?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: engp2120@nusunix2.nus.sg (YONG KUEN FATT ALAN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Blackout in Singapore and West Malaysia
Date: 5 Oct 92 06:42:23 GMT
Reply-To: engp2120@nusunix2.nus.sg
Organization: Dept of EE, National Uni of Singapore

In article <1992Oct2.073216.544@nuscc.nus.sg>, engp2063@nusunix1.nus.sg (NG CHEE MUN SIDNEY) writes:
|> The Blackout in Singapore and West Malaysia on the same day prove to be just
|> another opportunity for the Malaysians to exercise their 'Bash Singapore'
|> syndrome.
|> 
|> [stuff deleted]
|> 
|> I wonder when this 'Bash Singapore' thing will stop...or will they ever stop?
|> I guess they (the politicians) won't till Singapore really turn nasty against
|> them.
Until Singaporeans stop littering in Malaysia or in another
millennium years, which ever one comes first ;-)

Alan

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From: subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Let's cut the crap....
Summary: who is the police here...
Date: 30 Sep 92 15:41:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: andy.BvEE9u.774
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.

In article <1992Sep28.190312.24596@news.ysu.edu>, af620@yfn.ysu.edu (Andrew Tan) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, subraman@andy.bgsu.edu (ANAND) says:
> 
> >Me Mann,
> >
> >	Well, I suppose everyone is not as rational as you're to interpret
> >my posting like you did. I did suggest few topics that he can talk about if
> >he doesn't know what to talk about. I'm hoping your listing above will help
> >or give some idea to others of what to discuss to make this newsgroup a lot
> >more interesting to read.
> >
> >	Keep up with the good stuff !!!
> >
> 
> Action speaks louder than words. Start a thread yourself and then
> come back and talk to me.
> 
> 
> ATAN
> 

What ever I say is my own opinion. You don't have pick on everything I say.
I have not comment about your opinion. So, if you want to say something go
ahead and no need to pick on me. Let's see who is trying to be chief police
here..

Do we need a chief police?  NOT......


> 
> 
> 
> >
> >Geeva Subramaniam
> >University Computer Services
> >Bowling Green State University
> >
> >
> >
From: engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg (Won-Soon Lau)
Subject: Re: MA: Fare Price Increase
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 05:36:12 GMT

Othman Ahmad (eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg) wrote:
: Fare is singapore 50c for half a mile. For 3 miles it become 90c which is the
: maximum. For feeder routes you pay 25c.

Please get your figures right.  You seem to have problem quoting correct figures.
Bus fare is 50c for the first 2 miles. 60c will take you 4 miles. 70c is 6 miles,
80c is 7 miles.  90c will take you the entire journey.  Whatever you used to
measure distance (gut feelings ;-) certainly need some calibration.

: 	The worst is the 170 to Johor, paying 50c just to cross the causeway.
: It is the worst packing that I know.

Is there a need to improve this service.  Not many Singaporean stay in Johor.

-WS
-- 
VLSI DESIGN & CAD LABORATORY          \  Internet: engp1186@nuscc.nus.sg
Dept of Electrical Engineering         \  Bitnet:  ENGP2065@NUSVM.bitnet      
National University of Singapore        \  Phone:  (+65) 772 6319       
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: clipper@gleep.csd.uwo.ca (Khun Yee Fung)
Subject: Re: School ranking (was Re: Test Sent)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Western
	Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 18:23:40 GMT
	<CLIPPER.92Oct3101430@gleep.csd.uwo.ca>
	<1992Oct4.173853.27079@colorado.edu>

>>>>> On Sun, 4 Oct 1992 17:38:53 GMT, cheok@csn.org (Cheok Hoey Thng) said:

Thng> I'm from Dunman also. I still remember that those 8%-students
Thng> had a hard time because the 'old birds' like to tease those
Thng> 'high-calibre' sarcastically.  Bye the way (BTW, I hate to read
Thng> BTW, IMHO..), we are the same batch of student.  Anyone out
Thng> there from Dunman Government Chinese High School also?  In 1980,
Thng> I was in 4-G class. Dunman didn't have a good English program.

Yes, indeed, you are from 4G. Actually, we were in the same class from
1I, 2I, 3H, 4G, you remember? In case you don't, I sat beside Kok
Leong. You sat beside Ah Hwee. Actually, I have my '80 yearbook just
beside me. Email me, eh?

Khun Yee
--
Khun Yee Fung    clipper@csd.uwo.ca
Department of Computer Science
Middlesex College
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario
Canada N6A 5B7
Tel: (519) 661-6889
Fax: (519) 661-3515
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY)
Subject: Re: SINGAPORE LAWSE
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 14:24:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.014909.1793@nuscc.nus.sg>, eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg (TAN GIM WEE)    writes...
>Hello there, let me make this very clear. The fine for not flushing
>public toilets in Singapore is S$150. One hundred and fifty dollars, not
>$1500 or $1000 or any other amount!
> 
>--
>---------------------------------------------------------
>Tan Gim Wee
>EE Dept, NUS
>internet: eng20009@nusunix1.nus.sg
>bitnet: eng20009@nusvm.bitnet
>"Born to inspire, Destined to perform."

I understood that was the maximum fine, and that the actual figure depended
on the contents of the toilet bowl, after evaluation and analysis by the
Police Toilet Inspectorate.  Can you plead not gulity if the flushing
mechanism is defective, or micturating circumstances (that is intended
to be a joke)?

Is it true that there is a law against wearing dirty underwear in your
advanced country too?  Or for allowing your dick to hang on the wrong
side of your zipper?

Laurence
From: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad)
Subject: Malaysia to buy Mig29
Organization: Nanyang Technological University - Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:11:37 GMT

On TV3 it was reported that Malaysia is to buy the MIg29, according to
Datuk Najib, the Minister for Defense.
	He declined to tell how many. However it was reported that Malaysia
will take delivery of the 28 Hawks which is reputed to be as manoevrable as
F16 at sea-level.
	The expert who made the recommendation must as aerodynamic fanatic
as I'm. However with the larger airframe, the avionics can be upgraded
more easily. Airframe is more expensive than the avionics(?).
	Now we can really tell which one is actually better when Malaysia
and Singapore do their regular joint Air exercises. Hopefully they can do
simulated dog fights.
	I do not know what they do at these air exercises. Do they just 
do simulated missile attacks and calculate the probability of hits on
airplanes without taking into account the evasive and ECM measures taken
by aircrafts?

--
Othman bin Ahmad, School of EEE,
Nanyang Technological University, Singapore 2263.
Internet Email: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg
Bitnet Email: eoahmad@ntuvax.bitnet

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ang@sysarch.attmail.com (Alex Ng)
Subject: Re: TAR College E-Mail Address
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:29:27 GMT
Organization: DHL Worldwide Express, Redwood City, Calif., USA


Malaysian Computer Network - RangKoM can be accessed via 
Internet addresses. For more information about addresses of all
universities in Malaysia, please email to

	Mr. Mohamed b. Awang-Lah -> email: mal@rangkom.my

Here are some main gateway addresses :

Local sites					Main gateway
-----------					------------
ASEAN Institute of Forest Management		goya.aifm.my
Malaysian Institute of Microelectronic System 	mimos.ism.my
MARA Institute of Technology			cs.itm.my
National University of Malaysia			eng.ukm.my

Nam-Hock Ng
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