HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan)
Subject: Re: smoking
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:35:23 GMT

In article <BzD2ID.8yB@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca> lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis Lin) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.175338.45664@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>
>>That doesn't make sense to me anyway .  First , if we, smokers, smoke in front
>> of non-smokers in smoking area, they deserve to die from lung cancer because
		     ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ok think about this, if you are in a movie theatre, does it really matter
to get a seat in the smoking section or non-smoking section?  Ok, maybe if
you are sitting in a non-smoking section, you won't have to worry about
sitting next to a smoker, but well, the smoke flow everywhere in a movie
theatre anyway, so it will affect everybody sitting in the movie theatre.

And i'm pretty sure there are more area like that where smoking section
and non-smoking section doesn't really make much difference for one's
health.

However, i think the new movie theatre start to make the whole theatre be
a non-smoking zone, and i think it's a great idea! 

>> they don't go away from where smoking is allowed.
>
>I cannot see why anyone 'deserve to die' from your personal habbit.  There are
>too many places where it is not clear smoking is allowed or not, and there are
>too many places with poor ventilation (such as in a plane).  Yes, you may legally
>smoke in these places, but people may get illness because of your insensible act.
>

Agree, and i'm pretty sure smokers won't die because they haven't smoke for
couple hours, so please be considerate when you smoke

Fran


Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:16526 soc.culture.asian.american:11037
From: y70q@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (LAM)
Subject: Re: Economy of Hong Kong and China.. No more running dogs please!
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 05:14:18 GMT

In article <BzAADB.KCH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pkk36438@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Polygon) writes:
>chiu@pyramid.unr.edu (Edward S.N.Chiu) writes:
>
>	(8)	The British government always treats Hong Kong people as
>		orphan.  If Hong Kong people  don't help themselves, no
>		one will.  The poor welfare system certainly forces people
>		to work as hard as they can in order to survive.

Will poor welfare system REALLY forces people to work hard? In contrast,
will good welfare system forces people to work hard? In Canada, the
welfare system is too good so that Canada faces a lot of problems now.
People don't work hard because they can still get money from the
government.
I don't feel that HK people work hard because of poor welfare system
only. Sorry, you lose this turn.

>	That is the magic of British politics.  They treat you like shit
>	but you still have to thank them a thousand for that.  I guess 
>	evil can always be excused if it is done in a beneficial manner.

CCP treats people even worse than shit. CCP killed its own people in 6-4
event. NO ONE CAN HIDE THIS FACT!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: from scaa
From: raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Raymond Man)
Date: 17 Dec 92 10:20:33 MST
Distribution: usa,local
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson


In <BzEpJ3.4J@cs.uiuc.edu> wong@cs.uiuc.edu (Angeline) cross posted from
soc.culture.asian.american:
In <berthiau.724358901@iros1>berthiau@iro.umontreal.ca (Eva Chan) writes:
>>BTW, can anyone explain to me the phenomenon surrounding the students
>>from Hong Kong?  I seem to get the impression that they all have very
>>wealthy parents and can afford to drive around BMW's and Porsches
>>(really! there are usually at least 6 BMW's parked on one block 
>>on campus).  My mother says that they are usually the sons of rich
>>HK families who come to the US to study and to find an "American"
>>girl to make his wife and to stay in the US.  Now I am not saying that 
>>I entirely believe this, but can someone shed some light on this?

So you wish! But the sad truth is, like any rich American boy, they just
like to have fun. Afterall, of all the principles, US still faithfully
follows the Golden Rule: Who has gold rules. Rich kids can immigrate
just like that, they don't need to marry an American girl and very few
like that idea.

Now what you have to be careful about are those who use Beamers to pop
up their fronts, so that they can bait American girls, marry them,
immigrate, divorce them and start happy lives in US after 97.


-- 
Just call me `Man'. 
"And why take ye thought for "    --   Matt. 6:28
raymond@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu
From: garyng@gnct.com (Gary Ng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: 3 days JLG meeting resulted in nothing and each side turn to meg
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 07:53:36 HKT
Organization: Global Network Communication Technology Co.

b073766@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (Great Era) writes:

> I believe that Beijing government will not co-operate in the JLG meeting 
> afterwards unless Patten gives up his proposal completely. If the JLG 
> channel is broken, Beijing government will have the excuse to set up 
> shadow government before 1997.
> 

They don't need any excuse. It is indeed necessary for them to set up a
shadow government(of course, only to learn but not to direct) how to run
HK. Just hope that Mr Lo or Ms Liu is not in there.

-gary


garyng@gnct.com (Gary Ng)
GloCom BBS - The BBS brings usenet/internet to Hong Kong Public (852)4925025
From: Dean.Lee@f1.n651.z6.fidonet.org (Dean Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Hello Charles
Date: 12 Dec 1992 11:24:15 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


In a msg on <Dec 03 12:03>, Charles Dittmeier of 6:700/74 writes:

 CD> I'll get there one of these days,  Dean!  :) 
Great! Welcome to Shanghai! If u arrive Shanghai, pls give me a voice call,
maybe we will have a chance to meet! :)

Dean Lee
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: mkwan@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Michael C. KWAN)
Subject: Re: looking_for_boyfriend
Keywords: looking_for_boyfriend
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 02:44:48 GMT

In article <9235211.6209@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, leong@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Kee Hoe LEONG) writes:
>
>Hello:
> My name is Jenny Wong and i am an Australian Chinese (from Hong Kong).
> I am an Uni first year commerce student (1992). I study in Melbourne,vic.
> I am looking for a boyfriend age 23 or over. If anyone interested ,mail to
> wjenny@nyx.cs.du.edu ,tell me about your address(mail),e_mail address,
> age,height and occupation.
>
>
>
> with love,
> jenny Wong.
> _____________

	WHAT ??????????????????  It must be some kind of joke.  If you are
serious, try International Lonely Heart Club.  It can offer you help.

	Take care.


              /\                           Michael C. KWAN
       /\____/  \_                         (ILHC, Ex-Dr. + Ex-Coordinator)
      /           \                        mkwan@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au
     |  Australia  |                       mkwan@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au
      \   ____    /                        University of Tasmania, Launceston
       \_/    \__/                         **********************************
               __                          * P.O.Box 447, Mowbray Heights,  *
               \/ <---- Tasmania           * 7248, Tasmania, Australia.     *
                                           **********************************
_____________________________________________________________________________
  It is more important to get things right, than to get them fast but wrong !
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan)
Subject: Re: Japanese Cartoon gif ftp site?
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 05:01:53 GMT

In article <Bz6Gsy.Ctr@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> shafung@lambert.uwaterloo.ca (Alan Fung) writes:
>>The main one in US is piggy.ucsb.edu
>>it has over 100 or so Japanime stuff, including my favorites:
>>	Gundam <wide selection from the many incarnations of Gundam>
>>	KOR (Orange-Road)
>>	Maisson
>>	Dirty-Pair
>>	BubbleGum Crisis
>>	and many others...
>
>Could you list the path name?
>thanks.
>

the path should be /pub/anime/Images
or something like that

Fran

Xref: sparky soc.culture.hongkong:16272 soc.culture.china:32626
From: mlt@gdwb.oz.au (Mee Teng)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: My dismay II (Chris Patten)
Date: 14 Dec 92 23:47:48 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.hongkong

cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:

>Talk about the priviledge of the British, I read this from the autobiography
>of the chairman of YaoHan group (Bak Bak Poon or Eight Hundred Friend).  His
>book mostly talked about his vision of the 21st Centuary and he wanted to
>build YanHan as an international group with a stronghold in the booming China
>market.  So he move his headquarter to HK in ~1990.  The move was greeted 
>with lot of enthusiam from both the British, the local Chinese and the mainland
>Chinese.  He related a couple of stories (my paraphrase):

>1. .. that the height of your residence in the Victoria Peak goes with your 
>   hiearchy of power in HK ..  the part above mid-level has always been open
>   only to the British .. Chinese are not 'allowed' to live in this part of HK
>   .. He was 'grateful' that the chairman of HKSB insisted on selling his
>   home to him, a Japanese ...

>2. .. he was invited to join the VIP members of Jockey Club .. he was the
>   only Japanese ... the others in the VIP club that he can see are all white ..

He. He .. He...........

I wonder what have Lin Can , Ho Sampang , etc . etc. ..... got
to say now !  May be they will argue (just for argument sake) that
they are scare of height. I know you will come out with some
intelligent answers (not stupid answers like mine); being excellent
defenders of your masters.

You people from Hongkong ( most of you anyway) have a sick
attitude which no word in the dictionary can describe well.
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: My dismay (Chris Patten)
Date: 13 Dec 1992 13:03:21 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world,local
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au


In article <1992Dec12.015009.763@objy.com>, cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung) writes:
|> In article <eln235s.723896757@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au> eln235s@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (Humphrey Hui) writes:
|> 
|> >>World of differece my friend. Are you that simple & naive ? 
|> >>Just to give an example - most of the contracts would
|> >>not have gone to the British.
|> 
|> >Any proof for your conjecture?
|> 
|> It is not a conjecture.
|> 
|> Just about all consulting contracts went to British companies.  That
|> is a fact you could find in say, The Nineties Magazine (June or July, 92).
|> However, not all construction contracts are awarded to the British
|> companies, some went to Japanese and other countries.
|> 
|> -cw-

I don't see why so special about it when HK is a British colonies and HK itself
cannot provide the expertise. US projects would first favour US companies, 
German projects would first German companies.

Lin Can
From: nephilim@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: smoking
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:09:59 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <BzErzM.89q@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca>, lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca (Louis
 Lin) writes:

> 
> Before that is done, smokers can use their common sense to determine whether
> it is appropriate to smoke rather than the it-is-legal-to-smoke-here-so-I-do
> attitude. ("Hay! This is the smoking section of the plane.  You don't like it?
> Complain to the airline company, or jump off.")
> 
My common sense tells me that I can smoke in the smoking section in a plane.
You just can't blame  me on this because it is legal.  That's right. 
Complain to the airline company or jump off.   You don't have to jump off, just
shut up.
That's the best I can do.  I smoke in smoking area; and, I don't smoke in non-
smoking area.  If you think I can't even smoke in smoking section in a plane,
so what is the smoking section for?  You can't just consider non-smokers
and ignore those smokers.  That's why they set the smoking section for us.
Give me a break!  Whatever you say, I smoke in smoking section; and, I don't
smoke in non-smoking section, no matter where the hell it is.
Still the same old attitude, like it or beat it. 
> -- 
> ______________________________________ 
> | email : lhclin@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca | "Theoretically speaking, it's
> | Louis Lin, Computer Graphics Lab,  |  too practical, and practically
> | University of Waterloo, Canada.    |  speaking, it's too theoretical."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: a053700@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (kin ming fung)
Subject: Re: driver's license to drive in HK
Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Distribution: soc
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:11:48 GMT

In <1992Dec11.205646.16939@vela.acs.oakland.edu> wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan) writes:

>If you have a US driver license, i think you can get a HK one right away
>without taking any more test, but the thing is, you need to pay quite a
>few money ($600 maybe? that's what i heard)

Think again.  The above means you are giving up your US license to
exchange for a bona fide HK driver's license.  Would be fun if you then
exchange your HK license for a US license once you get back to the
States.  --kin, CU, hk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
From: scc53091@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steve C. Chen!!!)
Subject: Re: Xmas
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 08:39:07 GMT

achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron) writes:


>Hey!  Proud christian,

>please show some respect for non christians,
>(which would include more than 99% of all Chinese).
>A less offensive greeting would be ...



>     Happy Holidays.



>Go back to your church and pray to your
>white god.  Leave the rest of us alone.

Hey!  Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!  God still loves you...:)  I am sure
Jesus is not ticked off at all!  :D

Steve
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: pclai@mobius07.math.uwaterloo.ca (poon chor  LAI (Antony))
Subject: Internet in Hong Kong.
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:24:57 GMT

Thanks for those people telling me about internet in Hong Kong. May be I am a
dummy, I still don't know what should I do.

My situation is that:
    I will go back Hong Kong for a while. I want to forward all my e-mail to Hong
    Kong, but I don't have any account(internet accessible) in Hong Kong. 

    Therefore I need an account in Hong Kong, it can be any account in any bbs.
    But it must have the following features:

    1) e-mail   ( at least I could forward all e-mail from Canada to Hong Kong )

    2) rlogin or ftp ( since I don't have any account in Hong Kong, I can't create
                       my `.forward' file. If no rlogin or ftp feature, the
                       account is still useless to me. )

    3) if talk, rlogin, ftp,... are available, that is perfect

If you know anything about these ( charges, phone numbers, ...etc ), please
post or e-mail to my account

My e-mail address is
    pclai@descartes.uwaterloo.ca


Thank you very much
Antony LAI
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: kwok@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Paul Kwok)
Subject: Re: driver's license to drive
Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science
Distribution: soc.culture.hongkong
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:45:10 GMT

Under the Road Traffic (Driving Licences) Regulations, Cap. 374, a visitor
who holds a valid International Driving Permit or a valid domestic driving
licence in a place outside Hong Kong may drive in Hong Kong during the
period of 12 months following the date of last entry into Hong Kong.
A `visitor' is defined as any person who comes to Hong Kong other than
to take up residence for a period exceeding 12 months in the same regulation.

Thus if you hold a US driving licence and is a `visitor' to HK, you don't
need an international licence to drive in HK.  On the other hand, if you
do not fall under the `visitor' category but holds an international licence,
you still cannot drive in HK.

Paul Kwok

Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: chris@austin.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: looking_for_boyfriend
Originator: chris@ng.austin.ibm.com
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 21:08:11 GMT
Reply-To: cwlng@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
Organization: What organization?
Keywords: looking_for_boyfriend


> 
> In article <9235211.6209@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, leong@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Kee Hoe LEONG) writes:
> > Hello:
> >  My name is Jenny Wong and i am an Australian Chinese (from Hong Kong).
> >  I am an Uni first year commerce student (1992). I study in Melbourne,vic.
> >  I am looking for a boyfriend age 23 or over. If anyone interested ,mail to
> >  wjenny@nyx.cs.du.edu ,tell me about your address(mail),e_mail address,
> >  age,height and occupation.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  with love,
> >  jenny Wong.
> >  _____________

I get it. Kee Hoe Leong (leong@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU) hates Jenny so much that
s/he is pulling a big practical joke on Jenny.
Kee Hoe is posting from his/her account but signed as Jenny and asked replies be
sent to Jenny's account.
On the other hand, may be Kee hoe feels sorry for Jenny....
Or may be ........


Chris
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: lwang@mariner.amc.edu.au (Luo Wang)
Subject: Re: looking_for_boyfriend
Keywords: looking_for_boyfriend
Organization: Australian Maritime College
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 23:48:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.024448.19113@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au>, mkwan@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Michael C. KWAN) writes:
>
>In article <9235211.6209@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>, leong@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Kee Hoe LEONG) writes:
>>
>>Hello:
>> My name is Jenny Wong and i am an Australian Chinese (from Hong Kong).
>> I am an Uni first year commerce student (1992). I study in Melbourne,vic.
>> I am looking for a boyfriend age 23 or over. If anyone interested ,mail to
>> wjenny@nyx.cs.du.edu ,tell me about your address(mail),e_mail address,
>> age,height and occupation.
>>
>>
>>
>> with love,
>> jenny Wong.
>> _____________
>
>	WHAT ??????????????????  It must be some kind of joke.  If you are
>serious, try International Lonely Heart Club.  It can offer you help.
>
>	Take care.
>
>
>              /\                           Michael C. KWAN
>       /\____/  \_                         (ILHC, Ex-Dr. + Ex-Coordinator)
>      /           \                        mkwan@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au
>     |  Australia  |                       mkwan@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au
>      \   ____    /                        University of Tasmania, Launceston
>       \_/    \__/                         **********************************
>               __                          * P.O.Box 447, Mowbray Heights,  *
>               \/ <---- Tasmania           * 7248, Tasmania, Australia.     *
>                                           **********************************
>_____________________________________________________________________________
>  It is more important to get things right, than to get them fast but wrong !

Hi, Micheal,

If you have some interest in her, you can send a e-mail to her e-mail
address.:-)

I think she is serious, I guess you are serious too by posting your
detailed address here and even with a map. Besides, It is not far from 
Tas. to Melbourne anyway. :-)
O.K, save all the things to e-mail correspondence.

Good Luck!!!

Luo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
From: cw@orion.uucp (C.W. Chung)
Subject: Re: Lee Kwong Yiu's speech at Hong Kong
Organization: Objectivity Inc.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 00:03:03 GMT

In article <andchan.724403079@newton.amath.umanitoba.ca> andchan@newton.amath.umanitoba.ca (Andrew Chan) writes:
>Apparently he spoke openly against the policies of the governor, I
>tend to think this is a true example of "interference of the internal
>policies of another country", of which CCP often accuses other
>countries of such.

>I heard him saying "Hong Kong deserves democracy, but as in life,
>we often don't get what we deserve".

>I say we don't need another dictator telling us what to expect.

Lee is so influential in Singapore that he is almost seen as 
running the show all by himself, and undoubtedly there are aspects
of his policy (and society) that you don't like.  However, I'll 
challenge you to tell us if there were no democracy in Singapore, 
and how a 'dictator' could get the commanding control in their parliament
when the the parliament is elected by popular vote (as far as I know).

Even with Patten's proposal, I think HK is still nowhere near 
Singapore in terms of development of democratic process.  Of
the 4 entities (Mainland, Taiwan, HK, Singapore), I have no doubt
in my mind that Singapore is the most democratic one.  The lack
of clout of opposition party by itself does not preclude democracy.
I personally will be very happy if HK can get to the stage of 
democracy like Singapore.

I do think Lee's opinion is of considerable importance in that:
  - He knows the British inside out.  
  - He certainly knows the Chinese and communists very well. 
  - He knows how to 'dance with the elephants'.  He has to steer
    Singapore through very tight 'waters' bounded by Malaysia 
    and other ASEAN countries.   He is able to push Singapore
    forward with a very suspicious Malaysia watching by the side.

I don't know how you feel about his remark, something like: HK
could have democracy, but only if you could cut HK apart and tow
it 2000 miles away from China [.. that proximity to China is a
mixed blessing ...].  I find it quite insightful.

-cw-
From: fk2x@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Fai  Kang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: driver's license to drive in HK
Date: 16 Dec 92 03:42:09 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Dec14.203625.15006@vela.acs.oakland.edu> wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.081148.4267@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk> a053700@hp9000.csc.cuhk.hk (kin ming fung) writes:
>>In <1992Dec11.205646.16939@vela.acs.oakland.edu> wskan@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Fran Kan) writes:
>>
>>>If you have a US driver license, i think you can get a HK one right away
>>>without taking any more test, but the thing is, you need to pay quite a
>>>few money ($600 maybe? that's what i heard)
>>
>>Think again.  The above means you are giving up your US license to
>>exchange for a bona fide HK driver's license.  Would be fun if you then
>>exchange your HK license for a US license once you get back to the
>>States.  --kin, CU, hk
>
>Actually, from what i know, my friend get a HK driver's license but still
>keep the US license, so there is no need to give up any of them
>
>Fran
>

    Right! Driver's licenses are not as exclusive as passport as mainland China 
claimed.     8-)                                             - F.K.