From: k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai)
Subject: Re: Homophobes in the Military..what nobody is talking about: (Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about:)
Organization: Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH, Hamburg
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:51:11 GMT

In article <11DEC199210280502@zeus.tamu.edu> rlc1028@zeus.tamu.edu writes:
>In article <1992Dec11.080537.1288@news.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE>, k206027@smog.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Bakayaroo Banzai) writes...
>|In article <1992Dec09.210734.43257@ux1.cts.eiu.edu> cfthb@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Howard Black) writes:
>|>
>|>    It is true, too.  Surveys have been published that question young
>|>children about such issues, and they have no preconceived notions that
>|>same-sex couples are weird, out of place, wrong, etc.  The "Rainbow
>|>Program" in the NYC school system is a source of these studies.  Despite
>|>the objections of fundie parents, the program is going ahead to present
>|>same-sex couples as just another type of family (imagine that!).  The most
>|>recent issue of Time has a piece on this program and cites certain
>|>supporting studies. 
>|>-- 
>|Not everyone who objects to homosexuality is a "fundie" as you so
>|non-judgementally put it. Many people do have a religious base to
>|their objections, it's true, but not all religious people are
>|fundamentalists. Many parents would balk at schools teaching
>|*anything* of a sexual nature to first-graders.
>
>	Many Homosexual parents and non-parents would also balk at
>teaching sex education to first graders.
>
>	I'm not familiar with the Rainbow Program.  Is it actually
>teaching sex, or just that there can be family units comprised of
>two people of the same gender?
>
I have to admit that my knowledge of the program is as incomplete as
yours. I find myself in the funny position (for a stereotypical 
"Fundie" anyway) of disapproving of the State teaching values to my
child. Outside of such moral "no-brainers" as The Golden Rule and
calls for ethics and honesty I see no need for public education to
start teaching little kids what constitutes a "normal" family. In
case you're wondering, I don't support prayer in schools either 
(There's nothing more meaningless than a state-supported religious
observance).
 
>
>	Encourageing kids to go out an fornicate might be in
>contradiction to certain reliegious morals.  Informing kids that
>there are non-Christian infidels out there who should be tolerated
>is perhaps in contradixion to some Christians' principles, but
>I don't think it's an infringement of their religious rights.
>
Teaching children tolerance is certainly not at issue here. Teaching
them a "value" is. If all this program does is teach children that
such families exist, well and good. If that program attempts to tell
kids that its "good" and "normal" then I object strenuously. I would
suspect that the latter is being taught in NY. If we want to teach
children that hating others based on their beliefs is wrong i'll
get behind that 100%. I am not a Paganphobe..:) If I was, i'd have
to go move to Pat Robertson's Christian Ostrich-Hole Wonderland
Condominiums where all employees and residents are guaranteed
100% Born-Again Bible Whumpers...
>
>	It's the nature of the education that is the issue.  Many
>who are infavour of including education about same sex family units
>are not in favour of same-sex sex education.  There is a difference,
>though I am not claiming that this is what is being presented in the
>current programmes under question in New York.  I don't know what that
>agenda is.
>
Well, we're essentially saying the same thing here. And I would be
very careful about approving such education sight-unseen. I have to
say here that i've skipped ahead a few posts and it appears that
NY does *not* allow parents to opt out of this curriculum.
>
>|not typical of a lot of Christians). Why then, is this program
>|in NY which offends many people,somehow more defensible?
>
>	It may be that they are not teaching sex ed, but family ed.
>Maybe not.
>
I hope we actually find something out about this program. Like most 
people my knee tends to jerk in the absence of genuine information...
But where do ya go? I would consider Time or Newsweek about as
trustworthy and unbiased as Rush. Do you prefer your pabulum from the
Left or the Right? 

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