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From: quantum@babss.UUCP (Quantum Audio Concepts)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Proteus 3 Review
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:20:22 GMT
Organization: Bell Atlantic Business Systems Services, Branford CT. 06405
Keywords: Proteus 3

Hi, last night I had about 20 minutes to give a real quick once over
of the new Proteus 3 "World" sample playback module. I didn't get a
chance to do any editing or check out the manual, so I can't comment
about any new features along those lines. I did look at the instrument
(or sample wave) listing in edit mode: there were over 200 waves, including
some of the usual Emu sine/cycle waves and some that look like they came 
from the Procussion.

The sounds are, well, different. This is a speciality module, but good.
Soundtrack and New Age writers should like it. There are even possibilities
for dance, hip-hop, techno. Great banjo, bag pipes, sitars, exotic percussion
(Indian & African), shakauchi??, pan pipes, penny whistle, really wierd
horns, great mussete, good plucked instruments, jews harp. I liked it but had 
to say to myself "cool sound, but how would I use it in a tune?". The New Age
style sounds were good, but I wonder how much they can be modified (some
were samples, others multi instrument layers or links). I didn't check, but
I doubt Emu put filters on this model.

It will be interesting to see how well this does. Around $800.
From: nsw@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Neil Weinstock)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: JV-80
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:13:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsm.1992Apr8.221330.23920
Organization: The Flying Squid Patrol

In article <585.9204081304@orsun.dcs.leeds.ac.uk> ross-c@DCS.LEEDS.AC.UK (The Brown Bottle) writes:
>>From: Neil Weinstock <nsw@com.ATT.CB.CBNEWSM>
[ ... ]
>>OK, I'll bite.  In what way is the JV-80 limited compared to the D-70?  I'm
>
>Main differences (in the synth engine, the JV-80 should walk all over the D70
>                  as far as ROM goes):
>-DLM
>+Ring Modulation.

That's exactly what Roland told me.  From that I might conclude that the
advantages/disadvantages go as follows:

JV-80 pluses:
	1) more voices (28 vs. 24)
	2) more multitimbral slots
	3) more sliders
	4) more master controller capability (8 zones, I think)
	5) ROM expandability (up to 14 MB total, including card)
	6) different effects routing (settable send levels for each drum in a
	   kit, for instance)
	7) Ring modulation more useful than DLM (speculation)
	8) about $400 cheaper

D-70 pluses:
	1) 76 key keyboard
	2) nicer display
	3) *might* have better out-of-the-box ROM (speculation; D-70 piano 
	   seems better than JV-80 piano, which could be the Sound Canvas
	   sample.  Supposedly the piano in the ROM expansion for the JV-80
	   is better still.)
	4) better bass (unconfirmed speculation)

This is why I get confused when someone who professes to like the D-70 calls
the JV-80 "boring."  What am I missing?

                                   - Neil

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From: eirikur@ranger.enet.dec.com (Eirikur Hallgrimsson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Raise yours hands if ...
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:00:40 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <JHZ8iB6w164w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>, five@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (skinny puppy) writes...
>Everybody that wants a WAVE, raise your hand.       w
>                                                    |
>                                                   /
> 
>           :)
> 

Think network volume buy.  List $6000.00, someone estimated street at $5000.00.
We ought to be able to get it down to say, $4000.00.  Maybe better.

Maybe Waldorf would cut us a special deal, perhaps using a U.S. distributor as
the broker.  We are talking about NO sales cost here, and cost of sales means
something to these people.  And Waldorf could use this in their ads.

Eirikur Hallgrimsson   | "Hey, what *is* that thing?  It looks like a telephone
eh@ranger.enet.dec.com |  switchboard trying to mate with a Hammond organ!"
PATHWORKS for Macintosh|
From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Synth. comparisons
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:17:46 GMT
Organization: Friends of the Salter Duck
In-reply-to: dml@wam.umd.edu's message of 14 Apr 92 01:18:39 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.011839.21016@wam.umd.edu> dml@wam.umd.edu (Douglas M. Lindsey) writes:

   I've seen
   several different Roland synthesizers in local stores.  Virtually all of them
   sound great (I'm a neophyte), and obviously the more expensive ones have
   more features.  But it would be nice if there were some sort of guide which
   said "here are the basic features of a DX7.  Now, a DX7 IIFD adds these
   features ______".  Do such guides exist? 

This may be an obvious point, but: isn't that what the salesman is there
for?

Nick.
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From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Subject: Re: Gear Lust
Organization: Sony Microsystems Corp, San Jose, CA
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 92 05:54:51 GMT

In article <1992Apr12.174804.19995@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller) writes:
>
>As a reformed 'Gearhead',  I can relate to the Gear Lust syndrome. IMHO
>many of the netters here believe that "Gear" is the replacement for
>practice.

I completely disagree with this.  Give us some credit for intelligence.

I don't think most people feel that more and better equipment is a
replacement for pratice, skill, or creativity.  At worst, they believe
that it will help them past some stumbling block.  At best, they are
striving for a more polished sound.  After all, as much as we all hear
our own music, we have to like it.

In my case, I'm a "convenience freak".  My computer has tons of memory
so I don't have to quit some applications to run others.  It has lots
of disk space so I don't have to clean up.  It has a DAT drive so I can
back it up quickly without having to be there.  It has a power
management system so I don't have to manually turn on and off peripherals.
I don't think that any of this is a replacement for knowing how to
use it; it simply makes my time with the computer a bit less mundane.

Similarly, my studio is set up so that I can turn it on with a single
switch.  I can change MIDI controllers with a single switch.  I have
enough voices and effects units that I don't have to worry about
repatching things.  None of this makes me a better musician, but it
does make it easier for me to concentrate on music instead of on
how to get around any perceived limitations.

Some people do buy the latest equipment because they think it will
make them sound better.  In a lot of cases, it does make them sound
better (better components, better software [I said "a lot", Nick]).
It doesn't improve their playing or creativity, but it makes what
they do play "sound" better.

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: bgood@sundagger.lerc.nasa.gov ()
Subject: Re: Master Tracks Pro and Windows 3.1 - HELP!
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:59:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.001102.3585@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller) writes:
>

>
>I'll agree that DOS is old and antiquated. This is the reason for Windows. (I 
>know that I will not change your mind, so I will not try. 

Probably not, though I have to admit my flame was triggered by Rossi's incessant
whining.  I've also used Microsoft DOS and Mac software for many years--long
enough that the prospect of having them attaining a de facto monopoly position
in small computer operating systems makes my skin crawl.

>...While Windows uses the DOS file system,
>this is about all. Windows provides the Memory management, Multitasking, and
>most importanly, device independance. 

what I actaully meant was real preemptive multitasking, which neither Windows
nor Mac provides.

>Writing for
>Windows now or for the future is a safe bet, as long as you follow the rules.
>(Many don't.) 

...and Microsoft doesn't seem to be doing that good a job of enforcing compliance,
particulary with respect to consistency of  the user interface.  One of the 
reason Next and Mac owners tend to giggle when exposed to Windows applications 
for the first time...

>Win3.1 is not a 'fix' for 3.0. It is what Windows was ment to be, for 16 bit
>applications. 

I was not referring to the 3.0->3.1 transition, but to the 1.x->2.x->3.x 
series.  *That* took a long time.  And I don't think anyone would argue that
any of the pre-3 versions approached, say, the Mac in GUI functionality.

>Whether
>Microsoft and Windows will control the future market remains to be seen. But
>with sales in the millions and growing, how can you argue that it does not
>control the software that is being developed? 

I made no such assertion.  

>Why would any niche market
>software develope - ie MIDI - ignore Windows? 

Again, I wasn't suggesting that.  But--I think it's clear that the amount
of innovative music and video software for non-DOS platforms has in the
past been all out of proportion to market share.  Now we're in a position
where a lot of the developers responsible for this innovation are spending
their resources porting to Windows rather than continuing the innovation.
Maybe this is just a temporary state of affairs;  maybe they'll make so
much money off their Windows products that they'll start innovating
again on *all* platforms.  One can hope...


Well, Peter, being a developer, I guess you have to respond to the market.
Being merely a user, I can afford to sit back an complain.  

Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dce@smsc.sony.com (David Elliott)
Subject: Re: Elvis in keyboard issue April 1992
Organization: Sony Microsystems, San Jose, CA
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 23:05:25 GMT


In article <8brjbdm@lynx.unm.edu>, kholland@hydra.unm.edu (Kiernan Holland) writes:
|> Elvis is dead. ;-)

That's what you think, jocko...

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From: nick@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Nick Rothwell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: DidINukeMy Performer in Install?
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:48:52 GMT
Organization: Friends of the Salter Duck
In-reply-to: lv0e+@andrew.cmu.edu's message of 13 Apr 92 13:33:30 GMT

In article <EduMqe600WB84K2YcZ@andrew.cmu.edu> lv0e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa Laverne Vaughan) writes:

   I did the install, then for some reason I thought it wasn't working
   right, so I 
   1) Used the master disk & did a "remove"
   2) then dragged the icon to the trash/emptied trash

BZZT, the Remove should have deleted the copy of the application on the HD;
if it didn't, the removal was probably unsuccessful and failed to regenerate
the installation count on the master floppy, so, yes, you've hosed it.

I'm trying to restrain myself from starting another copy protection flame
war, but it's an effort.

Nick.
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From: sells@husc10.harvard.edu (Bryan Sells)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: in search of price list
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:44:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr17.154444.11236
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

Would someone be kind enough to email me a copy of the latest version of the new w
synth price list?
BRYAN
sells@husc.harvard.edu
From: moon!cyberden!system@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: RDAT Pro vs RDAT consumer vs. SVHS
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 92 18:42:13 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

The DAC's on the SV-3700 are also supposed to be of better quality then 
the DA-30... slightly more headroom also... But jesus, who the hell can 
tell these days..
<X>

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From: jalkio@cc.helsinki.fi
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Gear Lust
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:26:11 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Apr12.174804.19995@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, aa596@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Peter Haller) writes:
> 
> As a reformed 'Gearhead',  I can relate to the Gear Lust syndrome. IMHO
> many of the netters here believe that "Gear" is the replacement for
> practice. Many a novice believes just having the newest toy on the
> block is all that they will need to make good music. They seek out that
> instant gratification when they open the box. While this is fine, and
> playing those built in demos of the newest piece of gear might impress
> your friends, it fails to make music. 

Well, I have been thinking about the K2000. The reason why I lust for it
is NOT that I need some kind of instant gratification. It's almost the
opposite. One could claim that I haven't mastered the Cheetah MS6 or
Wavestation. Well, for sure, I haven't done all the sounds I could do
with them. But I get bored of the usual modest envelopes, normal LFO's,
normal filters. Sure, I could do practically unlimited amount of sounds
with a, say Korg M1, too. I just long for some kind of Total Control (I
know I can never achieve it, at least not before realtime computer
synthesis) but I try to get as close as I can. The WS has its
specialities, but I doubt the Cheetah MS6 can do anything the K2000
couldn't. (Well, it's about 10 times cheaper, but anyway.) If a
synthesizer manual has something I don't instantly understand, I get
very interested. The K2000 manual sure has that stuff in the synthesis
section. The little things like MIDI clock and LFO phase as mod. sources and
25 or so LFO shapes would normally be advertised very well. But K2000
seems to have so much that those are just "modest" extras.



                                         Jouni
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: dcm@netcom.com (David MacMillan)
Subject: MIDI Mapper files for WIN 3.1 & Yamaha TX81Z ?
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 07:38:37 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: MIDI Windows 3.1 Yamaha TX81Z

Does anyone out there in netland have MIDI Mapper files
(patch maps and key maps) for Windows 3.1 for the Yamaha TX81Z?

Alternatively, does anyone know which TX81Z memory banks map onto
patch numbers 0-127?

Thanks.

David MacMillan        dcm@netcom.com
From: ohumukin@spectra.com (Kawika Ohumukini)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: WANTED:  PC Sequencer for IBM PC
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:32:17 GMT
Distribution: rec.music.makers
Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation


Hi,

Does anyone have a sequencer they want to sell that supports
graphic editing?


Kawika
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Subject: Emulator IIIx info??
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 04:10:31 GMT
Distribution: North America
Organization: Inter/Access Artists' Centre Toronto

I own an Emulator III (keyboard) and would like very much
to trade it in on the new and improved EIIIx (rack).

I've heard vague things about it (16 voice stereo, aux outputs,
32 MB RAM capability).  Any news on its features and 
availability????????????????????????????????

ferenc
From: wesley@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Wesley Konrad)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: What a whiner!!!!
Date: 15 Apr 92 03:49:05 GMT
Organization: The Inquiring Mind  1 204 488-1607

SJEPSON@ERS.BITNET (Sean F. Jepson) writes:

> JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL  writes .....
>   >Welcome to the sad world of Mac-ownership.
>   >Oh why did I buy this Mac.......It gives me nothing but problems.
>   >Hell it was only $3500.
> 
> Is anyone else getting sick of his whining?

let me guess, you own a Mac, right?

wesley

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From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu ( EVENSONG)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Kawai KC10 (spectra) owners???
Date: 8 Apr 92 20:18:47 GMT
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.


I am interested to get in touch with any KC10 owners out there.
thanks

swood
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From: ejm@NOC.Vitalink.COM (Erik Murrey)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Minimoog:  No PWM???
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:56:31 GMT
Organization: Vitalink Communications Corporation, US

In article <29EDD4A5.3207@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, dan@cafws1.eng.uci.edu (Dan Harkless) writes:
|> 	So the sole reason the Mini sounds so fat is because of the filter and
|> voltage-leaking artifacts, eh?  (there being no PWM...)
|> 


If I remember correctly, the Mini had 3 VCO's. Most single-voice synths
had only 2 VCO's.  I'm sure this added to the "fat" sound.  Plus, the
Mini's VCO's could generate a sine wave while most others only had
square/pulse/saw.

Just my $.02 from my $.01 memory...

... Erik

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From: zacherl@tuvie.UUCP (WANG Oesterreich GmbH)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: Seeking weird analog synth
Date: 13 Apr 92 11:33:37 GMT
Organization: CAN@TU Vienna, Vienna, AUSTRIA

craigs@pyrtech.pyramid.com (Craig Shipley) writes:

>In article <1992Apr2.215804.17634@vicorp.com> ron@vicorp.com (Ron Peterson) writes:
>>
>>I've heard of a synthesizer that was sold in Europe in the early days of
>>synths that was rather unusual in that it used a 12 by 12 (or some similar
>>numbers) grid where you placed pins in small holes at the crosspoints of
>>the grid to make connections between the different sound modules.  It was
>>an analog synth (with VCO's, VCF's, envelope generators, etc.) and I think
>>it did not have a keyboard.  It was played by twiddling knobs.  The unit
>>was small, maybe 1.5 feet by 1 foot by 4 inches and might have been sold
>>as a kit.  Does this sound familar to anyone?  Do any of you have one?

>Could this have been the MatrixSequencer? Seems to me Jean-Michel Jarre
>had one of these beasts...

I think that's an EMS VCS3. The plugging matrix is on the lower, left side 
of the frontpanel which is lightcolored (silver or white) in a wooden housing.
The matrix allows 256 connections (16x16). As far  as I can recall two
'releases' of that gear exist (the newer one  has three similar VCOs, which 
are not on the first one.) The thing is still built (in a more modern layout)
buy a german company called 'Rehberg' owned by a guy called Ludwig Rehberg.
That's all I remember. Maybe one of the other netfellows outthere has
more information??

michael
From: JROSSI@EAGLE.AAMRL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: DidINukeMy Performer in Install?
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:40:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: EDDIE.9204131541.AA02226


Welcome to the sad world of Mac-ownership.  Actually, MOTU appears to have
a reasonable replacement policy for such situations if you, indeed, did
nuke your hard disk install.  Also, if you send in the warranty card they
send you a back up disk with another install.  So, all is not lost.

Since you brought this up, a similar thing happened to me the other night.
Like you, being new to the 'wonderful world of Mac', I tried to install
Performer on my hard disk drive.  I followed MOTU's instructions to the
letter.  I kept installing and it keptr saying that the operation was
successful.  When I looked at the HD system folder where I thought I
was installing to I saw nothing and assumed that the program wasn't there.
Not knowing about the 'Finder' program in System 7 (now I understand why
they included it, though I thought it was absurd when I first read about
it), I panicked and quickly uninstalled Performer.  I went through this
exercise about 4 times and got frustrated enough to call MOTU's 'technical
support' line.  There was no problem with the install procedure, it turns out.
The problem was that when I clicked on the system folder, the windo which
opened wasn't large enough to show the Performer icon.  Now, even Window's
isn't this stupid so as to not default the window size to one which is
capable of showing the contents of the directory.  This must be another
example of Mac-idiocy, I mean, to have to resize a window to see the
effects of adding a progrm to a folder.

Maybe its just that I think about computers a little differently than the
general Mac-user.  This is scarry is bizarre sort of way.

John
From: michael@NSMA.AriZonA.EdU (Michael S. Williams)
Newsgroups: rec.music.synth
Subject: Re: ProCussion or D4?
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:44:11 GMT
Reply-To: michael@NSMA.AriZonA.EdU (Michael S. Williams)
Organization: Center for Neural Systems, Memory, and Aging

In article <1992Apr16.125503.8622@uunet.uu.net> kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:
>
>Query: how well does the D-4 handle hi-hats?  Is there a simple
>way to conenct some sort of pedal to one or two of the triggers
>and get a usable hi-hat?  Neither of my previous ideas about
>getting a workable hi-hat pedal have panned out and I'm afraid
>I'm going to end up having to build something.

Handles em great, IMHO.  Trigger #1 is assigned to a particular
sound when the hi-hat pedal is open.  You also specify sounds
for trigger #1 when the pedal is closed, AND a sound for the
actual closing of the pedal.  So, with 1 trigger and a pedal,
you then have access to 3 sounds.

-Michael

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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 10:30:01 PDT
From:         more dark than shark <DUNN@INTELLICORP.COM>
Subject:      Re: Macintosh PLUS + MIDI
Comments: To: synth-l%auvm.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu

Michael -
	there are cheap Altech, Passport & Opcode interfaces; 1->3 outs,
	1 in. cheap like 40+ <100 american dead presidents.

	there are more expensive & powerful items. (more ports,merging,
	built-in sync, etc...)

	sftware? I like vision. works 'fine' on a Plus, if you are patient
	with screen updates. :) I have used EZvision, which is a nice way
	to get started, but which in comparison with other netfolk I've
	found less-than-industrial in quality. (oh- fine for industrial
	music!) like it suffers from the old random-death syndrome.

	there is some sorta bundled deal from opcode which includes a
	midi interface (nothing fancy) and EZvision for about $140 street.

casey
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