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From: Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: Re: Buying a Falcon (was: Falcon Graphics)
Organization: ZOOiD BBS
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:37:42 GMT

kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de writes:
>In <1992Sep4.151149.8953@newshost.lanl.gov> hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) writes:
>
>>As a developer, I'm just curious... how many folks in this newsgroup actually do
>>intend to buy a Falcon when (and if) they become readily available at say, about
>>US$799 for a 1Mb, _no_ hard drive model (which will _not_ multitask in this 
>>configuration)?  How much will a 4Mb, 65Mb HD model cost?  Atari has not released
>>pricing info yet but if $799 is about right for the low end, we would surely be
>>talking about $1299 or so, don't you think?  And you'll also need a VGA monitor.
>
>If the Falcon with 4 MB and 60MB HD becomes available  at  around
>DM  1,800.--,  I  will probably buy one as soon as they appear in
>the stores. If it is more expensive, I'll wait until  next  year,
>hoping  the prices will lower after christmas. And, I will surely
>check out the price for the 14MB RAM model, since  with  MultiTOS
>you  can't have too much memory, but I'm afraid I'll be unable to
>afford it.
>
>Greetinx, Jan
>
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> *----=<  hierarchical systems are for files, not for humans  >=-----*

How much is a 486/50 MHz (or 33MHz DX) with 120 Meg HD, OS/2 2.0, 8 MB RAM,
SVGA Monitor, Case, Keyboard etc.? I have some promotion flyers from
Austria but they are a bit out of date. I would really like to know the
prices they charge in germany or any other european country.

Did anyone buy the Falcon030 at the Duesseldorf show? I think people are more
cautious this time around and they will REALLY think hard before purchasing
any Atari equipment. I agree, it offers some unique features but you can say
this with every computer on the market.

In North America Atari Corporation is as good as dead. They don't have
anything to offer what corporate customers want and what the average user
want. Will I buy one, NO. Definetely not. Why? I will be in the same
position as with the STE, MSTE, TT etc. Does it offer anything that I would
want? NO. Will Atari Corporation ever smarten-up? No, they never did and
will never do. The company is run by a bunch of clowns, that's the only
expression I would use (I guess slang should not be used).

I have just purchased a system which costs the same as 5-6 Falcon computers.
It offers all I would ever want and much more. I know it will be supported
and supported well. Software is available everywhere and I can go and buy
anything for it everywhere. 

Mark K.
E-Mail: kovarski@zooid.guild.org
From: M.P.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Michael Wood)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: What WP is compat with PC stuff
Keywords: WP PC
Date: 9 Sep 92 08:23:00 GMT
Reply-To: M.P.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Michael Wood)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.


I am going to be writing some documents on the atari but will need to print
them from PC's running a variety of WP packages.

Does anybody know of a good WP package[s] that can write stuff that is 
imported into PC stuff ( preferably formatted ).

Thanks,
	Mike.
From: sm86+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stefan Monnier)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Is Falcon worth buying?
Date: 12 Sep 92 22:23:37 GMT
	<1992Sep8.233555.16515@zooid.guild.org>
	<1992Sep10.110919.17361@sci.kun.nl>
	<1992Sep11.183836.12212@zooid.guild.org>
	<H.P94i_JGUq26@fredrik.atari.no>
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.atari.st: 12-Sep-92 Re: Is Falcon worth
buying? Joern Moe@fredrik.atari. (2781)
> Here we go again; comparing a keyboard computer, a toy (with some considerable 
> professional potential though), a niche product to a industrial standard 
> business machine, which because of low prices also are becoming a home computer
> (but still is designed for business use).
> Complaints on too litle memory capacity on the falcon is plain stupid. Yes it
> is limited to 14MB, but taken the main target use for this machine, it's just
> right. But it is quite possible to upgrade with fast-ram, and then the limit is
> 4GB! No, it's not as easy as upgrading a PC, one have to by some third-party 
> do-it-yourself expansion kit, but nevertheless possible for those who want.

> -- 
>   _______________________________________________________
>  / Joern F. Moe /  All above is my own personal opinion! \
> / Oslo, Norway /  Any lack of opinion above is also mine! \
> -----------------------------------------------------------


By the way: most Unix boxes run with 16MB RAM.
They can be upgraded, but the use of Virtual Memory
makes it useless: the 16MB act like a cache and are generally
sufficient (unless you run it as a file-server or any other
demanding application, but it's really not Falcon's purpose)

If Unix can run normally on 16MB I think MultiTOS will
too ! (and I'm sure VM extensions will appear very soon)

	Stefan Monnier

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From: C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines)
Subject: HELP me find Petra, please...
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 21:27:02 CDT

     Hello,  thank you for reding my message.  Really the title says it all.
Do you know where a program called petra is.  It (I was told) fools software
specifically Paula into thinking you have a DMA sound chip.
      Any related help would be appreciated!
Jeoff Hines        c556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu
 
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From: oliver@drunol.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Meyer)
Subject: Re: Atari marketing was: ding dong.. who's there ? Dr who..
Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik  /  RWTH Aachen
Date:  8 Sep 92 13:41:26 GMT

aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim) writes:

>Who cares how "professional" a presentation show is  done?  Would
>you  have been more impressed if the Falcon had been presented by
>Claudia Schiffer?? ;-)
>Let's face it: The fuss they make is of absolute no use  or  harm
>to  any user once he/she bought the computer. It's the facts that
>count.  And  for  the  Falcon  that  is:  Excellent  "multimedia"
>capabilities  and sufficient numbercrunching capabilities for the
>money.

It's true, that only the facts count, when he/she bought the computer.
BUT: They didn't buy yet, so:
When you make a presentation show about the Falcon, it's possibly
to do a show, which makes the visitor say: 'That's it. That's the
computer _I_ really really _WANT_ to have (I actually MUST have!)' And
not just 'Well, okay it's nice computer so what ?'. It's PR that counts
today not the so called FACTS. Facts are what you make them seem to be !!

So Claudia would be perhaps the wrong person to sell a Falcon, but
she would be the right person to sell you anything. ;-)

Oliver
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From: bbs.ruscal@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Russel Mar)
Subject: Re: Spectre GCR
Organization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 11:05:49 GMT

paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu (Paul Harris) writes:

> In article 2250@fnnews.fnal.gov, jhf@d0xs1.fnal.gov (John Featherly) writes:
> > 
> > 
> > |> System 6.0.5 works best under Spectre GCR.
> > |> 
> > 
> > I've tried 6.0.7 and 6.0.8 which seem to boot with Spectre V3.  Sound does 
> > work however (silence or hangs).  Does anyone know what the latest version 
> > Spectre software is up to?  Anyone use Mac 6.0.8 software regularly?
> > --
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >    John Featherly                                    jhf@d0xs1.fnal.gov
> >    D-Zero Experiment at Fermi Lab                        (708) 840-4508
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Spectre is still at 3.0 (unless I've really missed something big...) and has 
> for quite a long time.  Hopefully the fabled '3.1' will be comming out soon (
> then, I've been thinking that for quite a long time..:).
> 
> -Paul Harris
> paul@jupiter.ame.arizona.edu

#############################
I've been using 6.0.8 with Spectre 3.0.  Sound works ok (Including 
SoundMaster).  So does TrueType and AutoDoubler.  Is anyone running 
TrueType on 6.0.5 ?  i am not sure if it was supposed to work with 
anything less than 6.0.8...

--
Russel Mar (bbs.ruscal@tsoft.sf-bay.org)
From: johnj@echo.philips.nl (John Janssen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: TOS 2.06 solves hardware problem of MEGA STE
Date: 14 Sep 92 11:52:14 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, E.C.H.O. development department

Seeing so much negative things about atari going around, I think it is time
to tell you my good experience with their service.

After being a 520 ST user for 6 years, I bought a MEGA STE last year.
Like all other MEGA STE users then, I had those problems with the video
shifter within several programs. One of the symptoms was that the screen
flipped around: The .5" (1 cm) which should be at the right side was flipped
to the left side. 

I reported about this on the net then. I even got a new video shifter chip
from atari here and my local dealer replaced it. However, it did not help,
the symptoms remained.

At the Dusseldorfer messe I spoke with Atari BENELUX, and they told me that
I needed TOS 2.06 to solve it. Suspicious as I was, I didn't want to pay
for a problem in the machine which I reported already when the machine was
still under warranty- besides, the new TOS 2.06 did not have so many new
features for a TOS 2.05 user anyway.

After a nice talk, the guy from atari asked my address and he said he would come
back on it. Few days later, I received a letter, containing the 2.06 ROMS!

And what's more...
They did solve the screen problem!

John.
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The Netherlands      or:    John.Janssen@atehv.bso.nl
Work: +31 40 756425 
Home: +31 77 513177  Atari Mega STE, PC 386 SX, MIDI, Astrology, C
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Buying a Falcon (was: Falcon Graphics)
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 23:09:05 -0600

 odd... All things point to a change in the corporation, they have written off
all of there old inventory ($32 million worth) and have over $60 million in cash
assets.  They do have a marketing plan (wow) and a very original computer that
will be a HUGE smash in music, and Multimedia, and a heck of a games machine.. I
know its fun (and easy) to slam Atari, ive sunk a lot of money into there stuff
also, but take a closer look before you asume and slam.  Curt

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Subject: Re: Buying a Falcon (was: Falcon Graphics)
From: James.Hampton@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 03:44:40 GMT
Organization: Actrix Networks

In article <1992Sep7.153742.21904@zooid.guild.org> Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:
> 
> How much is a 486/50 MHz (or 33MHz DX) with 120 Meg HD, OS/2 2.0, 8 MB RAM,
> SVGA Monitor, Case, Keyboard etc.? I have some promotion flyers from
> Austria but they are a bit out of date. I would really like to know the
> prices they charge in germany or any other european country.
> 

Include the price of a 32 MHz DSP with 16 bit stereo I/O, NTSC video,
SCSI 2, MIDI, blah blah blah...  I asked the same questions to another
clown, so you know what people interested in an $800 Falcon 030 are
looking for.

> Will I buy one, NO. Definetely not. Why? I will be in the same
> position as with the STE, MSTE, TT etc. Does it offer anything that I would
> want? NO. Will Atari Corporation ever smarten-up? No, they never did and
> will never do. The company is run by a bunch of clowns, that's the only
> expression I would use (I guess slang should not be used).

Am I glad you won't buy one?  YES.  Do you offer anything that we haven't
heard before?  YES.  Bozo entertainment par excellance.  You and that
other clown make P. T. Barnum proud. 

> I have just purchased a system which costs the same as 5-6 Falcon computers.
> It offers all I would ever want and much more. I know it will be supported
> and supported well. Software is available everywhere and I can go and buy
> anything for it everywhere. 
> 
> Mark K.

Like the other clown is doing, take a week and report the cost of
PC boards that provide the features of the Falcon 030.  If the 
total of the boards plus a 386 is less than a Falcon 030, I'll
buy it.
From: lmh@medg.lcs.mit.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Tek terminal emulation program?
Date: 6 Sep 92 05:35:06 GMT
Organization: MIT Lab for Computer Science


Does anyone know if there exist any terminal emulation program for the
ST/TT that does Tek terminal emulations?

Thanx in advance,

- Minghsun Liu
  lmh@MIT.Edu
From: jvance@maxwell.oac.uci.edu (Joachim Vance)
Subject: Re: Mac OS vs. TOS (was Re: Falcon Graphics
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 8 Sep 92 10:04:30 GMT

mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
>In today's New York Times, there is an ad from J&R Music World
>for a Mac Classic II for $1199. [...] 
>That is $400 more than the indicated price of the Falcon...

  You are, of course, comparing the street price of the Mac with the
suggested list of the bare bones Falcon.  
  I predict that a good street price of the 4meg 65 HD Falcon will be
less than $1199.  Or you could do it yourself for about that much.  Now
for about the same price and same storage space, which one is better?
  I'll pick the one with built-in DSP, amazing sound, and a *lot* more
colors than black and white.  Plus something that's not limited to a
16-bit bus.  Granted, to make it fair you have to toss in the cost of
a monitor for the Falcon (let's say ~$300).  But you can't get all the
built-in features of the Falcon for the Classic II for even double
that amount.
  The Classic II loses in hardware features against the Falcon hands
down.

  Software may be a different story, but I'm expecting to see some
pretty neat stuff coming out soon to take advantage of the Falcon's
features.

--
Joachim Vance
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From: wrighttj@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Auntie Tim)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Can Falcon do that?
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:24:19 GMT
Organization: Aston University

avgroeni@cs.ruu.nl (Annius Groenink) writes:
: In <QAZ6D3S@gwdu03.gwdg.de> marsh@gwdgv1.gwdg.de writes:
: >
: >P.S. Has anyone ever compared Cubase ST and Cubase Windows? I have the
: >impression that Cubase Windows on 33MHz 386 PC with SVGA is much much
: >less capable than Cubase ST on my good old 8Mhz 1040STFM concerning
: >especially realtime related functions.
: 
: Hey, of course! What is it that makes you even try to compare an
: Atari to and MSDOS machine? Everybody knows GEM an an 8Mhz ST
: runs better than MS Windows on perhaps even a 486.
: 
: -- 
: ________________________________________________________
:     Annius Groenink|undergraduate student
: Laan van Borgele 24|maths/computer science at the
:    7415 DJ Deventer|University of Utrecht, Holland.

I detect a hint of sarcasm here? The point being made was that
_Cubase_Windows_ was less capable than ST Cubase- not particularly
surpising, given that ST Cubase has been around three years longer,
and has several features that Cubase Windows doesn't. (Can't 
remember exactly what- there's a thread on rec.music.synth and
rec.music.makers about this at the moment; I'll look it up if you're
really interested). 
-- 
Tim Wright.                   \               Real Life sucks
wrighttj@cs.aston.ac.uk        \                   losers dry.
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Subject: Mac OS vs. TOS (was Re: Falcon Graphics
From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:49:45 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <10174@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) writes:
>>>  The only thing that the LCII has is a superior O/S but TOS is
> dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Your Conscience) writes:
>>I don't agree with your comment about the superior OS, I find the Mac OS
>>*extremely* user friendly, and *extremely* slow, and *extremely* limited. I 
>>perfer the ST's O/S better in almost all cases...
> 
> And "user friendly" can definately be extreme.  In first-year, we had Macs,
> and I was editting a program, then accessed a disk from a friend.  He took
> the disk away, then a little later the machine INSISTED that I insert that
> disk.  The only escape was rebooting - losing all my program.  The Mac gets
> very fascist when it comes to floppy disks.
> 
> Give mw the more subservient OS of the Atari any day.

     But don't forget, a command-. would have canceled that dialog box
so you wouldn't have had to reboot.

Later.......

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From: markb@hpwin052.uksr.hp.com (Mark Bridgett)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:24:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Is UMich Archive Still Around?
Organization: HP Professional Services Organisation, UK
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st

Brian,

I have had the same problem - no response from Umich.

Mark
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: aeg03@rrz.uni-koeln.de (Jan T. Kim)
Subject: Public domain GDOS font editors?
Reply-To: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de
Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne, F. R. Germany
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:38:46 GMT

Hi everyone,

a friend of mine (with no Usenet access) is looking  for  a  good
GDOS  font  editor,  preferrably PD or shareware. Please reply by
mail and include information where to get the software from  (ftp
sites and the like). I will post a summary.

Greetinx, Jan

 +- Jan Kim -- X.400:    S=kim;OU=vax;O=mpiz-koeln;P=mpg;A=dbp;C=de -+
 |             Internet: kim@vax.mpiz-koeln.mpg.dbp.de               |
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From: protonen@daimi.aau.dk (Lars J|dal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: STZIP20.TOS
Date: 10 Sep 92 10:14:36 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

>In article <1992Sep3.140901.18572@daimi.aau.dk>, protonen@daimi.aau.dk (Lars J|dal) writes:
sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
[I have just uploaded stzip20.tos (126k) to the atari/new directory
on A.A...]

I writes:
[Sounds good. I just have one question: Is this a "true" zip20]

sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>No I think its a clone of the Alpha version 1.93 of PKZIP, there is no real
>ZIP for the Atari as its commercial product, they are all clones..
>Roger...............           sheppard_r@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

Ok, fine. If it will just unpack files zipped by other and zip my own
files it's great. So, I have tried to get it from A.A. But I can't read
the atari/new directory, because it has permissions drwxrwx-wx.
Does this means I'm not supposed to read from the atari/new directory,
only upload to it? I have also tried the atari/archivers directory
which I can read from without problems, but it only has stzip11.

So, in summary: Am I supposed to be a little more patient, or is
something wrong?

Lars
(protonen@daimi.aau.dk)
From: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no (Joern Moe)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Atari Corp. Scand. AB (Norway)
Subject: Re: More TT030 help...
	<1992Sep07.102416.24050@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>
Reply-To: jornmoe@fredrik.atari.no
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 19:45:56 MET

In <1992Sep07.102416.24050@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk>, Mr Stephen R Usher writes:
>>Calamus can not use TT-ram.
>
>Oh yes it can! If you change the header Calamus will complain at startup (it
>believes it's been infected by a virus) but will work fine from then on.
>(The copy I have is a seconds hand copy of version 1.09(UK))).
>
I didn't specify it, but yes, it seems to run in TT-Ram. But, and it is a big 
BUT, most dialogs that need keyboard input will not be accessable and/or make
Calamus crash. I've sometimes loaded Calmus to TT-ram on a 6 MB TT to be able
to print on the Atari lasers (SLMxxx), but it is virtually impossible to do
real woork in Calamus when loaded into TT-ram!

>>BUT, things like AHDI (harddiskdriver), 
>>CACHExxx.PRG, FOLDERxxx.PRG and other applications in the AUTO folder
>>can be loaded to TT-RAM, giving you more free ST ram. Also accessories
>>may be loaded into TT-RAM.
>
>Putting CACHExxx.PRG in TT ram can slow it down, especially for ACSI drives.

This I didn't know, but I don't have any ACSI harddisks.


>Best not set the fastload bit for ACCs, it can cause problems.

I've heard that only the last lodaed ACC can't (or shouldn't) have the fastload
bit set?

>>You have to try out the different combinations to decide wheter a program can
>>use the TT-ram. Surprisingly many programs does run well in TT-ram (but not
>>Calmus).
>
>Oh yes it does, see earlier.

Oh, no it don't, see not so early:-)


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 / Joern F. Moe /  All above is my own personal opinion! \
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From: wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org (Markus Wenzel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: Marsupilami's private UUCP site - Palumbien, Germany.
Subject: Re: TT Unix ASV
	<1992Sep10.053147.11164@athena.cs.uga.edu>
Reply-To: wenzel@marsu.tynet.sub.org
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 08:30:18 MET

In <1992Sep10.053147.11164@athena.cs.uga.edu>, Kristopher Johnson writes:
> That is incorrect.  Atari has not "pretty much canned the ASV
> project."  The ASV development team was not "laid off" either.
> According to Bob Brodie, Director of Communications @ Atari Corp., 
> the ASV project has been completed and that's why the development
> team is now gone.  In a sense, yes, "development has stopped" but
> only because it's done.  He said Atari wouldn't be commercially
> releasing the full package until they have their 68040-based
> machine(s) ready but that a text-based (i.e. w/o XWindows, etc.)
> "student" version would be made available for existing machines.

All development *done*? Man, are you kidding?
A product like this is never finished.
I saw the latest release (I hope it was) at Atari fair, and the 
mouse driver was as damned as before, you could hang up the system
for some ten seconds by simply moving the mouse from one window
to another while the computer was busily counting numbers in a
shell script...
Furthermore, it still comes along with GCC 1.39 - these days most
people use 2.2.2. OK, you can compile it yourself, but I think
it reflects what the guys from Atari think about updating.

Regards, Markus.



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