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From: 10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG)
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE! -Reply to Jerry Shekkel
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 04:28:18 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.200056.8964@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
>Subject: Re: Amiga 4000 & HYPE! -Reply to Jerry Shekkel
>Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:00:56 GMT
>10667547@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (JIMMY FANG) writes:
>>
>>>Digitized music *does* sound like it's being played by real musical
>>>instruments, but its quality (clarity and richness) depends heavily
>>>upon several things, such as frequency and sample resolution.  CD's play 
>>>16-bit 44.1KHz stereo music.  MODs utilize only 8-bit samples, and the
>>>frequency is what, 22.1KHz?  This is *not* CD quality, even if we ignore the
>>>fact that MODs are compressed, sampling only one note per instrument.
>>
>>Gosh, I can't hear anything higher than 19 kHz, so you and the dogs must be 
>>real happy with the high pitched 44kHz screeching :-)
>I see the smiley, but I wonder if you understood that I was talking about
>sampling frequency, not pitch.

I figure what you meant, although you didn't explicitly? state it.

You were talking about amiga mods using 8-bit samples with a frequency of 
22.1KHz when they are samplers that can record at 44kHz and then used the 
example of 44kHz for CD's.  CD's have much better resolution, 16bits 2^16 
resolution compared to Amiga's 8bits 2^8 resolution, but both can have music 
sampled at 44kHz, but not a dynamic range greater than 22kHz?  But then 
again, AAD recordings of old 1920's stuff doesn't sound any good!

>I hear no difference between MODs played on the Amiga and the SoundBlaster.
>Maybe you heard a defective SB?

Might be the software.

>>My CD's sound better than most of 
>>the Mods I've heard, except for some real big one meg mods.  Get the CD "
>>Hats" or "A Walk Across the Rooftops" by the Blue Nile, they you lots of 
>>samplers and stuff.  It's probably the best combined digital and accoustic 
>>music I've heard.

>Are talking about the same thing?  I thought we were talking about sound
>quality.

Actually, you were talking about Amigans not knowing the difference between 
real (CD music) and Mods (amiga music).  Well, I for one can!

>>Well, there's not much difference between MODS and real? digitized music if 
>>an Amiga MOD can make it onto the music charts.

>When did this happen?

A bunch of guys called Urban Shakedown got a mod into the British top 
alternative charts.  It was a cover story in a British magazine called 
"Amiga Format".

>| Jerry J. Shekhel  | Molecular Simulations | Time just fades the 

I think this thread has been done to death.  New IBM soundcards are really 
cool, okay?
From: stelmack@eggo.tmc.edu (Gregory M. Stelmack)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000... when
Date: 9 Oct 92 00:57:14 GMT
Organization: University of South Florida, Department of Computer Science and Engineering

We got 8 A4000s on Tuesday (10/6). No problems getting one if you live
around here... Commodore IS shipping them, and in quantity.

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-- FullTime Grad Student, PartTime Amiga Salesman, PartTime Amiga Developer
-- Author of: Spades, Pro Port Analyzer Plus, more to come...
-- DISCLAIMER: The opinions reflected here are mine and mine alone.
From: copes@cs.curtin.edu.au (Simon Cope)
Subject: Re: Graphix on the A4000...
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:43:35 GMT

e91sg@efd.lth.se (Stefan Gimeson) writes:

>Let me just se if I'v got this right....
>There STILL are some flickering modes on the A4000, but according 
>to some people on the net, you cannot use a "flicker-fixer" on the
>A4000, that means that the higher resolutions will still flicker...
>My question, what's the use of a resolution you cannot use ?????

Why can't you use an interlaced mode?  There are hundreds of millions of people
who use interlaced TV's every day.

>/stefan

Flickering modes: Euro 72, Super 72 ( both ~ 800x600), SuperHires.

SuperHires is for videowork anyway, and the only current deinterlacer that will
deinterlace the above 3 moded costs A$3500 and comes attached to a GVP IV24
card which is a little expensive for me.

The 72 modes don't flicker all that much, because they have a 72 Hz refresh
rate.  The only real annoyance is the need for a monitor that syncs from 15-35
khz, such as the C= 1960, NEC 3d.

When flicker fixers do appear for the A4000 (ie new video slot machines) they
will be cheaper as C= supplied many new signals to make them so.

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From: ibhan@husc8.harvard.edu (Ishir Bhan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: A-MaxII+ ?
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:08:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc8.ibhan.718999686

root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:

>>Depends what you mean by support.  They still support it, they just don't
>>make it any more.  There's no real point to having QuickTime on a Classic,
>>since a classic doesn't have any color.

>I wasn't really considering QT, but I was wondering about all those people
>who fattened Apple's pockets by buying the Mac Classic in the last 2 years.

>That's a fairly short run for an established computer company.

>I would hate to be someone who bought a Classic 6 months ago and now finds
>that he has to throw it away and buy a Classic II.

Where do you get the idea that he (or she) would have to throw away a
Classic at all?  When you buy in the low end in any platform, you'll be
left in the dust faster than if you hadn't.  That should be pretty
obvious.  Besides, you could always upgrade to a Classic II...no need to
throw anything away.
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             --      Ishir Bhan (ibhan@husc.harvard.edu)      --
From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Open Letter to Dave Haynie!
Date: 8 Oct 92 22:33:38 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <david.030k@ariane.cam.org> david@ariane.cam.org (David Lebel) writes:
> In article <35530@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
> 
> > architecture.  The A1000 chip bus is 16-bits wide all around, and its video
> > bus is 13-bits wide.  The AA chips need a 32-bit bus that goes roughly twice
> > as fast, and they drive a 25-bit pixel bus.
> 
>    So Dave, why in the hell there's no way to plug in the AGA into the Amiga
> 3000? Isn't the CHIP bus is 32-bit wide? I know that they are not pin-compatible
> with the old ECS, but would it be possible, thinkable, workable to put,
> eventually, Alice and Lisa into the Amiga 3000 in a way or another (heh heh,
> in short, can I ?)

As has been pointed out before, the Amiga chips are not a stand-alone graphics
display system, but rather an integrated graphics computer chipset with peripheral
and interrupt control merged in.  You could easily (relatively speaking) dump the
chips on a plug-in board, but the software would  be clueless as to how to make
it work unless the board had all the system I/O wired through it.  Such connections
are not present on any of the A3000 expansion connectors.
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From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 16:21:47 GMT

In article <EhIOr*3a0@disaster.hacktic.nl> rico@disaster.hacktic.nl (Rico Jansen) writes:
>In article <1992Oct6.200619.9211@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Jerry Shekhel writes:
>
>> You got the wrong perception.  The clock doubler in the OverDrive gives
>> a significant performance increase, especially for 32-bit code.
>
>To my knowledge most PC's still run MS-DOS which is definitely not 32-bit code.
>So I think you can only use it when you run an OS which is 32-bit.

OS/2 is making inroads and Windows does have some 32 bit code for dealing
with hard drives, if I recall. However, OS/2 ver2.x is a substantial OS. It
is more responsive than DOS+Windows and finally brings something worthwhile
to PC's (I'm not counting Unix).
>
>BTW $800 buys you a fast new motherboard as well (486-50)

The 486/50 is probably more heat prone, less reliable and may not have class
B certification depending on the company. The 486DXII/66MHz is indeed very
fast.
 
Philip
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
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From: raist@rmece02.upr.clu.edu (Ricardo Hernandez | 802-36-4453)
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Organization: UPR-Mayaguez--ASEL Lab
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:58:25 GMT

In article <rogeraw.11.718978501@dhhalden.no>, rogeraw@dhhalden.no (ROGER ALLAN WAHLGREN) writes:
[stuff deleted]

|> 
|> Atari has shown a demo in true color, 24 frames/s with 16 bit stereo sound 
|> and it took 100 MB HD space. The demo was Tina Turner "....the best" 
|> and it was about 3 minutes.
|> 
|> R.A.W  

   FULL MOTION VIDEO? hmmm...
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From: Ace@auilcs0.UUCP (James Knowlton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Signs of computer industry shakeup beginning?
Distribution: na
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 10 Oct 92 12:08:31 PST
Organization: Alternate Reality Video Graphics

In article <1992Oct9.001832.659@netcom.com> jazz@netcom.com (David C. Navas) writes:

>  Marketing just needs a wee bit of professionalism.

If you are speaking of C='s ad's with the cartoon character for the 3000T
and the A4000, then i have to disagree. I rather like them. They grab your
attention and they don't try to compete with other ad's - but fit in with them.

The only thing i would like better is a direct hardware comparison with
the 'other' platforms competing for multi-media etc. leadership. I can
respect C='s position tho - here's an edited quote from the latest 2 page A4000
ad in AmigaWorld -

"...coexisting with your Macintosh (R) or MS-DOS (R) computers in a Novell (R)
network."

I think C= is definetly on the right track...

BTW, i was really irked that the AA/AGA wouldn't go into my 3000.



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From: doiron@starpt.UUCP (Glenn Doiron)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: REAL FALCON 030 SPECS
Date: 9 Oct 92 01:30:46 GMT
 <1992Oct02.152138.26832@rmece49.upr.clu.edu> <1992Oct2.181629.27733@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Organization: 68K Software Development
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In article <1992Oct2.181629.27733@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ccb8m@palm.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy) writes:
> 
> Chris Millar derives space requirements for 640x400x 8bitplane for the
> ST:
> 
> > 640x400 frame at 8bitpl = 256K memory x 24fps = 6.15 Meg/sec
> 
> Granted I don't know anything specific about the Falcon except it's
> claim of a DSP.  With a DSP the motion picture demo could have been
> running through the DSP set up as an MPEG decoder/encoder filter.
> 
> Assuming this, the figure of ~90Meg isn't completely ridiculous.
> 
>    E.G. lets say conservatively ~ 50K/frame = 1.2 Meg/sec = 75 sec
>         of full frame video.
> 
> I think you are right in saying that it wasn't full screen considering
> the above number, but I'm not sure what MPEG optimized compression
> ratios are.  If the above K/frame could be halved we have the 2.3 min
> demo.
> 
> Charles C. Bundy IV

MPEG on a 56001?????

Glenn Doiron
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From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: A4000 First Impressions
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:35:57 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes:

: Many people have said that the 256 color Workbench is slightly slower
: that an A3000 running a 16 color Workbench. Bull Pucky! What were they
: smokin? This A4000 running a 640x480 256 color workbench was at least twice

Was the mode interlaced or not?

: as fast as my A3000 running a 16 color workbench. This is only natural
: as an 8 bit display is only twice the badwidth of a 4 bit one and the

If the 8 bit A4000 screen was non-interlaced, then the bandwidth needed for
it is four time the bandwidth of the 4 bit A3000 non-interlaced
screen.

: an AGA machine. I'll be a Comdex, I'll be there with a VISA card. I'm
: on the prowl for an '030 "pizza box" AGA machine. Suprise me!
: 
: /* IanK@Microsoft.com				*/
: /* Waiting for what comes after the A4000! 	*/

And I always thought you meant a more hi-end machine than A4000, boy
was I wrong :)

: /* In the meantime I think I'll pick up a  	*/
: /* '486 box...					*/

Somehow your .sig does not agree with the rest of the message :)

--
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From: rico@disaster.hacktic.nl (Rico Jansen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Date: 10 Oct 92 15:23:04 GMT
Organization: HIN - Disaster Area

In article <1992Oct6.200619.9211@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, Jerry Shekhel writes:

> You got the wrong perception.  The clock doubler in the OverDrive gives
> a significant performance increase, especially for 32-bit code.

To my knowledge most PC's still run MS-DOS which is definitely not 32-bit code.
So I think you can only use it when you run an OS which is 32-bit.

BTW $800 buys you a fast new motherboard as well (486-50)

Rico Jansen (rico@disaster.hacktic.nl)
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Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
From: fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu
Date: 7 Oct 92 08:16:24 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

In article <1992Oct6.200619.9211@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:
>>
>>       In contrast, when you buy a cpu card for the amiga you get usually
>>	greater than ten-fold improvement in performance from the A500 and
>>	A2000 machines for the same cost.
>>
> 
> Ten-fold improvement?  Even for things like, say, reading/writing Chip RAM?
> 
	Anything running out of fast ram should be sped up, assuming
	you bought an accellerator with 32 bit ram.  There are several
	for <$800.  I'm not sure about chip ram speed up.  From
	reading other posts here from DH etc., the chip ram stuff is
	pretty deterministic and runs at pretty much constant cycles.
	However, faster fast ram performance would seem to leave more
	time for chip ram activity.  Typically, if you have fast ram
	you would prioritize it higher than chip ram.  I think the
	OS will put the code in fast ram unless it is specifically
	directed to use chip ram.  

>>
>>Fred Heitkamp
>>
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From: danaf@vccnw02.its.rpi.edu (Frank R. Dana Jr.)
Subject: Re: Congrats to SAS!
Reply-To: danaf@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 04:05:57 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.002833.1616@netcom.com>, jazz@netcom.com (David C. Navas) writes:

|> As compared to my dealings with some compiler folks on -other- platforms
|> [red], this was a [fruit] dream come true.  [;)]

WOW!!! You've used the little-known Tandy Tomato????

8)

(Don't anyone scream, "that's a vegetable"... the jury's still out)

|> -- 
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|> Co-author of: Web Data Acq. and Anal.		dnavas@oracle.com
|> Upcoming products: Shadow V, Jazzbench 2.0.

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From: jerry@connection.prospect.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: A3000 is not dead, dammit
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 15:06:21 GMT
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David Tiberio (dtiberio@csws18.ic.sunysb.edu) wrote:
: 
: 	Okay, Brad. If an Amiga 3000 LISTS at $1499, and sells easily for
: $1300, then please oh please tell me how much YOUR 486 system cost. Keep in
: mind:
: 
: 	486 based clone
: 	OS/2
: 	Sound Card
: 	24 bit color
: 	coprocessed graphics
: 
: 	Just exactly how much is this miracle system of yours? Is it really
: 24 bit color, or just a 24 bit palette? Is the 'coprocessed graphics' a card
: you bought or was that free too?
: 

He never said his clone was a 486, so let's stick with 386:

	386-40 w/4MB RAM, 130MB HD, .28 dp 1Kx768 SVGA+monitor:	$1149
	Replace SVGA with S3-based coprocessed graphics board:	  150
	Gravis UltraSound:					  130
	Another 4MB RAM:					  120
	OS/2:							  150
	-------------------------------------------------------------
	Total:							$1699

Now, how much for an A3000 with 8MB RAM, 130MB HD, and good monitor?

: 
: 	I can do ray tracing while playing music in the background and
: while downloading files from my BBS without a large loss in speed from
: any of the three. The music plays perfectly. I may lose 10% on the file
: transfers. But I still get good thoroughput even though I am ray tracing
: 90% of the time.
: 

Yeah, I know.  It seems like an Amigoid isn't really an Amigoid untill he
starts running ray traces in the background at all times.

:
: 	The Amiga may not have a gillion companies cloning them, but I
: know that in a few months it will be the hottest graphics machine on the
: market. In case you didn't know, the heavy hitting graphics boards are
: due...
: 

What a joke.
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From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Its a sad sad day...
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 05:55:08 GMT

>>>  The only way that most Clone users are
>>>going to get NT on their machines is by stealing it from work like they
>>>do everything else.
>>
>>How do you pirate a 600MB CD-ROM?
>
>A million floppies... or if your employer is sufficiently cool you burn 
>your own CD... NOT.

	Or just borrow the CD overnight :-) Simple.

>
>>Paul
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Paul Secinaro
>>pss1@kepler.unh.edu
>>Synthetic Vision and Pattern Analysis Laboratory
>>UNH Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering
>
>
>-- 
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> "I was wrong to play God.  Life is precious, not a thing to be toyed with.
>  Now take out that brain and flush it down the toilet."
>                  --- M. Burns  "Treehouse of Horror II"

	George

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From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Subject: Commodore USA slams Pournelle critic
Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy 
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 92 01:57:30 GMT


   I may not be the biggest fan of Jerry Pournelle, but at least it's good to
see Commodore sticking up for themselves and those that agree with them. <Grin>
The following was pulled off of BIX last night. 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

David Archambault, Director of Business Marketing for Commodore
Business Machines, U.S. has asked that the following
response to the attack on Jerry Pournelle's journalistic
credibility be posted.



I am deeply saddened by the recent attacks made on Jerry Pournelle and
Byte Magazine by a person who  apparently  purports  to  be  an  Amiga
supporter.  I can unequivocably state that at no  time  did  Commodore
marketing, its staff or agency representatives have any communications
with Jerry or any member of Byte's editorial staff related to  trading
editorial coverage of Amiga for advertising in  Byte.   To  even  make
these accusations shows how poorly informed this person is about  what
is happening with Commodore and the Amiga.  Commodore has been working
hard to broaden the awareness of the Amiga beyohd  the  current  loyal
Amiga user  base  and  the  video  industry.   This  has  included  an
aggressive advertising campaign begun last March in the PC  and  trade
oriented magazines.  Byte, like some of the other 35 magazines we have
been regularly advertising in  is  an  influential  magazine  read  by
thousands of people who could be potential customers  for  Commodore's
products.  It is Commodore's desire that we earn the respect of  these
magazines and deserve the coverage we are getting because our products
are good and we are effectively communicating that message.   Frankly,
magazines that cover advertisers products because they are advertisers
soon lose all credibility with their readers and are ultimately of  no
value.

What I find most disappointing is  that  Commodore  has  been  working
diligently to improve its relations with the press. Just as  we  begin
to make some progress these kind of  reckless  accusations  are  made,
which go a long  way  towards  destroying  the  relationships  we  are
working hard to create.

In conclusion I  again  regret  any  embarrassment  this  individual's
actions has caused to Jerry and Byte. A letter has been  sent  to  the
user group involved informing them that  they  are  being  immediately
removed from our official user group list until an appropriate  public
apology is made to Jerry and Byte.

Regards,


D. Archambault
Director Business Marketing
Commodore Business Machines, Inc.
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