From: xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Insensitive mainland chauvinist view. (Was: Who Cares 150 F-16s.)
Date: 11 Sep 1992 14:58:33 GMT
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In article <1992Sep10.221622.10037@cs.yale.edu>, yang-allan@CS.YALE.EDU (J. Allan Yang) writes:
|>  > From: s9874194@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194)
|>  > Sender: usenet@nic.umass.edu (USENET News System)
|>  > References: <BuCEr5.JB9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
|>  > .....
|>  > 1. Selling weapons to Taiwan is an invasion to Beijing's
|>  > sovereignty. After all, Washington recognized that Beijing
|>  > is the only legitimate government of whole China and Taiwan
|>  > is only a province of China. So, selling weapons to Taiwan 
|>  > is difinitely a violation of the communique and is obviously
|>  > unacceptable to Beijing.
|> 


     What this Allen Yang have wrote in the following
  is  really outrageous and ridiculous !
(I don't use these words lightly either.)

|> This is a very insensitive mainland chauvinist view. And I don't use
|> these words lightly.
|> 
|> Beijing claims she owns Taiwan but few Taiwanese agree. People in
|> Taiwan have a much better living and a precious new found democracy.
|> Why should they return to China. Not right now. Not until living in
|> China feels as good and free as living in Taiwan.
|> 

    Who says that Beijing owns Taiwan ? What do you mean ? Both Beijing
and Taipei Governments agree that there is only ONE China and Taiwan is
a part of it.


|> If Beijing claims every Chinese students in the US should be
|> returned to China by force, will you agree? Give me an answer! If
|> you say NO, why do you think Beijing has the right to force all
|> Taiwanese to return to China? Isn't that a double standard?
|> 

   Who is forcing Taiwanese to return to China? Taiwanese will all stay
in Taiwan ! 

|>  > 2. If the door for weapon sale is open, then, French can sell
|>  > Mirage 2000, Russian can sell Mig-29, Dustch can sell sub....
|>  > Everybody can sell anything they want. The next day you will
|>  > find that somebody may sell something more dangerous at more
|>  > attractive price and the Straight will be a very dangerous 
|>  > place.
|> 
|> Wrong! Taiwan has much much more to lose than mainland from an
|> unstable Straight. Nothing says more than the fact that nowadays
|> many Taiwanese students willingly return to Taiwan after their study
|> in the US. How many Chinese students willingly go back to China
|> these days? 
|> 
    Give me a break ! Simply  because the living standerd in mainland is
not as good as that in Taiwan, then mainlanders want a war? You must
be out of your mind (if you have one). 


|> Taiwanese want no military conflict with mainland. Taiwan simply
|> does not want to become a second Kuwait when someday someone in
|> Beijing decides that it's time to solve "the Taiwan problem" the
|> same way as they "solved" the problem in Tienannmen.  The problem is
|> in Beijing, not in Taiwan.
|> 
|>  > 3. .....[US acts on their own interest, as always, ...]
|>  >
|>  > Based on the above, I believe that Beijing's anger and readiness
|>  > to react corespondingly is justified. I am sorry that the IFCSS
|>  > which supposedly represents the interests of the CSS has not 
|>  > had any reaction on this issue.
|> 
|> That's your insensitive chauvinist belief. Maybe IFCSS is more
|> sensitive than you are and know that people in Taiwan are actually
|> in the same situation as overseas Chinese scholars and students:
|> they have found a much better life elsewhere and don't want to go
|> home, not today anyway.
|> 
|>  > Some people on the net (including me) has been arguing about
|>  > TI or Unification. I do not think it really relavent here. 
|>  > As long as Taiwan is not an independent country (does not mean
|>  > you can not try but just be ready to be kicked), the issue
|> 		       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [how arrogant!]
|>  > is really a matter between Beijing and Washington, the
|>  > two LEGITIMATE, SOVEREIGN government. 
|> 
|> I am not a TI supporter right now. But I do believe that the people
|> in Taiwan or anywhere else have the right to decide their own fate
|> and not to be coerced to "unite" under an oppressive regime that
|> they dislike. If someday, under some circumstances, people in Taiwan
|> pass a bona fide referendum to become independent, they will
|> certainly do their best to make sure whichever leg that kicks them
|> will break badly and get disastrous infection. Taiwanese are willing
|> to fight for their hard-eared prosperity and democracy.
|> 

    Suppose Guangdong wants to be indepedent some day and pass
a referendum, is that O.K. ? Then maybe other Provinces will follow.
There will be some thirty countries on mainland, is that what you want ?

|> Forget about the notion of a "Unified Great China" which many
|> Chinese and Taiwanese were educated to embrace by CPP and KMT alike.
|> What is so great about a unified China if her own people (YOU
|> included) does not even want to live in it?
|> 

   If Taiwan becomes an independent country,  that will be permanent. In 
30 years, when mainland becomes acceptable to most Taiwanese, it will
be very very difficult to unite again.  Why do people want to unite ?
You can ask that to Germans or Koreans. Don't give those shortsighted,
small-minded and superficial any chance !!!

|> - Allan
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