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From: jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 17:20:41 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro) writes:
>
>In article <22Jan93005805@miracle.com>, jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
>writes...
>
>> Steve, I wish to cordially invite you to attend our next ExCom meeting
>> this next Wednesday to volunteer to become the Loss Prevention Officer
>> of Boston Mensa. 
>
>Oh, now you're cordial?
>
>John, you strike me as being insincere and two faced. You want to be able to
>abuse, insult and berate people and expect them to come back for more and do
>things for you.

No, Steve, I'm very serious about appointing you to be Loss Prevention Officer
for Boston Mensa.  You were quite active in Texas in Mensa, from what I hear,
you did quite a bit.  If I can somehow trick you into getting active in my
local group (Boston Mensa) I've done my job as LocSec.


>Sorry, find yourself another whipping boy.


Kinky, huh?  ;^)

-John

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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Non-flaming dialogue wanted
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:34:11 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1993Jan21.033826.14456@vela.acs.oakland.edu> atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes:
>                                                      You can get a group of
>intelligent people together to discuss, say, euthanasia without having to

On campus, at your age, maybe.  Try it in suburbia when you're 40.
Mensa is a place not limited to any particular subject area (the drawback of 
any special interest group) and where you know you won't have lots of 
tedious boring-person-filtering.  If it wasn't useful to us, it would have 
ceased to exist: but, no, it's growing.


            All creatures will make merry   (on pain of death)
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033
From: ken@nate.UUCP (Ken Gacioch)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Thanks for helping make up my mind
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:20:16 GMT
Reply-To: nate!ken@cs.rit.edu
Organization: HealthChex, Inc.

In article <1993Jan27.213420.2643@odin.corp.sgi.com> pbroenen@northwest.corp.sgi.com (Paul Broenen) writes:
>
>A fellow worker and Mensan had suggested I join Mensa.  I 
>asked other friends of mine who had contacts with Mensa 
>whether they thought it was a good idea.  Some had been 
>members and quit, some were relatives of Mensans.  Except 
>for the one who had originally suggested it, all recommended 
>I not join. 
>
>Next, I subscribed to rec.org.mensa to get a feel for what 
>Mensans talk about.  In all fairness, there's nothing 
>preventing non-Mensans from posting to this newsgroup (like
>me) so much of what is discussed here (and HOW it is discussed)
>may NOT be typical Mensa material.  But nonetheless, I have to 
>admit, reading the name-calling and bickering that goes on here 
>made my decision much easier.
>
>Now let's see, where's that 'Unsubscribe' button...?
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------
>Paul Broenen               | pbroenen@northwest.corp.sgi.com
>Silicon Graphics, Inc.     | Phone: (415) 390-3258
>Mountain View, CA          | Fax:   (415) 960-1284
>------------------------------------------------------------

Paul, this is not even a virtual Mensa meeting.  You're right, nobody is
checking to see who's a member and who isn't, nor do I think anyone should.
Mensa is (ostensibly) the TOPIC of this newsgroup.  Vis-a-vis the way
discussions progress in r.o.m., it bears a LOT more resemblance to other
discussion newsgroups than to anything I've ever witnessed, or heard of, in
any non-virtual Mensa interaction.  That last bears reiterating:
   T'ain't nothing like the real thing.
   This is only this.
      Mensans getting together in person, for fun and/or edification,
        is a totally nother thing.
   You might want to check out a couple of events.
   You may reach a different conclusion than one based on
      the drivel that schplurks through here.


>Except for the one who had originally suggested it, all recommended 
>I not join. 

May I inquire as to their reasons for suggesting that you not join?
How about the reason(s) for the original suggestion that you do join?

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   |   nate!ken@cs.rit.edu            |  Don't let that stop you;         |
   |                                  |  if you don't bet, you can't win. |
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From: bunny@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (Laura Kozma)
Subject: Re: From the Pages of Omni, Part II
Organization: AT&T, Piscataway, NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:57:50 GMT
Keywords: dalupaduaduduadladuap

In article <374655.655374@acme.com> wecoyote@warener.acme.com (Wile E Coyote)[GENIUS COYOTIUS] writes:
>
>Whoops.  Pardon my manners.  I almost forgot to give you 60% a hint on
>how to solve the little puzzle.
>
>Let's see, if you take first three-quarters of a line, and then reverse it,
>the picture might be a little clearer...  
>
>
>Also, the answer to the puzzle is equal to the number of posters
>as clever as I.
>
>"avy"   |\| | |_    

Well, I could easily see someone creating a digital zero out of
the toothpicks, such as this:
          _
         | |
         |_|

That's probably how 60% of Mensa members got it wrong.

Laura

-- 
Laura Kozma                                   
AT&T, 30 Knightsbridge Rd                     
Piscataway, NJ   att!attmail!lkozma         
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From: graeme@drummond.demon.co.uk (Graeme Hillary)
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Reply-To: graeme@drummond.demon.co.uk
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.20 $
Organization: not
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 04:28:33 +0000

In article <25Jan93165844@miracle.com> jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley) writes:
> > graeme@drummond.demon.co.uk (Graeme Hillary) writes:
> >
> >Well, pardon me for opening my mouth!  

 etc.,etc.,etc.

> BTW I have just recently signed up for my first meeting, prior to 
> >reading this.
> 
> jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley) writes:
> 
> Great!  Remember to blame me after you've gone to your third local group
> meeting, met some new friends and have become a Mensa "insider"  -- I'll
> gladly take all sorts of grief if it helps you become more active.  ;^)
> 
> Glad to have you join us, Graeme!
> 

Thanks.  Apologies for being over-reactive at being criticised.  If I enjoy
Mensa life enough, I may even consider coming over to the good ol' US of A
for the American Mensa gathering...

BTW, what exactly is a Mensa "insider"?  Sounds ominous!

===Graeme


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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: From the Pages of Omni, Part II
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:02:31 GMT
Keywords: dalupaduaduduadladuap

In article <374655.655374@acme.com> wecoyote@warener.acme.com (Wile E Coyote)[GENIUS COYOTIUS] writes:
>
>Whoops.  Pardon my manners.  I almost forgot to give you 60% a hint on
>how to solve the little puzzle.
>
>Let's see, if you take first three-quarters of a line, and then reverse it,
>the picture might be a little clearer...  
>
>Also, the answer to the puzzle is equal to the number of posters
>as clever as I.

1) Those of us that know of several possible answers for this
don't need clues,

2) Those of us that don't, may not appreciate clues to ruin our
fun,

3) Those of us that need the clue might get more convenience out of
a <ctl>-L, and

4) I would not be surprised if the number of posters exactly as clever
as you might be exactly the answer -- not that many might be more
clever, as you know.

GMS
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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Non-flaming dialogue wanted
Date: 22 Jan 93 14:37:21 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <1993Jan21.033826.14456@vela.acs.oakland.edu> atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes:

>let people hang out with you and see if they are able to hack it?  If they
>can't get deal with the situation, they'll leave.

Oh but we do and they don't.  Mensa is where we go when we need a break.

            All creatures will make merry   (on pain of death)
    Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England    (44|0)61-275-6033  
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From: johnson@sleipnir.pb.wes.mot.com (Mark Johnson)
Subject: Re: From the Pages of Omni, Part II
Reply-To: johnson@wes.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Wireless Enterprises, Schaumburg, IL
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:02:07 GMT
Keywords: dalupaduaduduadladuap

In article <1993Jan25.214315.16892@ttinews.tti.com>, hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:
=)	 _
=)	| |
=)	|_|
=)
=)
What a galoot!  Anyone can see the answer is:

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From: jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 00:18:06 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
>In article <1993Jan13.193033.19835@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
>jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper) wrote:
>> 
>> Steve--In what specific ways would you change Mensa to retain
>> members?  You can just say something should be done to make Mensans
>> friendlier to newcomers and visitors.  What specific things
>> should we be doing?  (For example, match every new member with
>> a "used" member as a mentor.)
>
>Use me, but don't abuse me. :-)                      


That's funny because I want to be spanked because I've been bad...

    (Bad Zoot!  Bad Zoot!)

                                         - John a.k.a. "Zoot"

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       John Cooley              Zappa as a waste management engineer: 
                                  "Hey, there, Brother!  Whatcha
    jcooley@miracle.com            doing with that Cosmic Debris?"  

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From: cooper@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (Ralph 'Hairy' Moonen)
Subject: Head up *ss??
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 09:34:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.172342@tostit.ca>, scott@nord.tostit.ca (Scott Andrew Tai) writes:
> I've said before that MENSA is an *idiotic* organization.  Why?
> Because I still do *not* see how you can essentially *discard* 
> an entire subset of humans because they don't measure up to you,
> intellectually.  (Whether that can even be measured is another 
> article in itself.)  And then, *you* complain because other 
> people discard *you*, for equally trivial reasons.  

Though I agree with what Scott is saying, I can't but wonder if a Mensan did
somthing real bad to him at one time. He seems so spiteful. Is that so Scott?

> When I was in high school, my senior class project involved, 
> in part, volunteering at the Stuart King Home -- a Home for 
> the mentally challenged.  I know no MENSA member would want to 
> waste his or her precious brain-power around such a group, but 
> this group of all ages genuinely touched me in a way that 
> very few others have -- *VERY* worthwhile.  And I believe it's 
> *far more* intellectually challenging to spend time with those 
> who have *less* intelligence than you do -- huh?  Why do I say 
> this?  Hell, it's *easy* to communicate with someone at your 
> own intelligence level.  No problem getting your AG friend to 
> see your point or where you're going with it.  Same awareness
> level, and all that.  That's *so* fucking easy -- even lazy,
> some would say.

Now that's something I totally agree with. I have been more or less in the 
same situation, and really, it's true what he says. I haven't followed all
the discussion about the Mensa, but I usually score pretty high in the
so called 'IQ-test' (Ha!) and reading a couple of posts here gave me the
insight never to join the Mensa. Maybe some day you will use your intellect
to teach others, and to make the world a better place, instead of deciding
who is worthy of becoming e member.


--Ralph
From: jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 16:58:44 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants


>In article jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley) 
>> Stop your whining for all the world to read and go to some God damned Mensa
>> meetings!  (If you can't guess, I'm a little tired of people who haven't
>> gone to a bloody event posting "why I hate Mensa" or "why I'm afraid to
>> go to a meeting"!  You passed the test, now go to an event!)

> graeme@drummond.demon.co.uk (Graeme Hillary) writes:
>
>Well, pardon me for opening my mouth!  Qualifying for MENSA does not 
>necessarily mean that you also posess bags of confidence and self-assurance.
>Maybe such people are "afraid to go to meetings" in case they run into
>somebody as tetchy as you.
>
>I wasn't whining, merely making an observation on what it can be like for
>*some* new members. I haven't been reading this group for long so I wasn't
>aware of how many "afraid to go to meetings" messages you may have had to
>read.  BTW I have just recently signed up for my first meeting, prior to 
>reading this.

jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley) writes:

Great!  Remember to blame me after you've gone to your third local group
meeting, met some new friends and have become a Mensa "insider"  -- I'll
gladly take all sorts of grief if it helps you become more active.  ;^)

Glad to have you join us, Graeme!

                                              - John "Tetchy" Cooley
                                                Mensa Activist

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       John Cooley              Zappa as a waste management engineer: 
                                  "Hey, there, Brother!  Whatcha
    jcooley@miracle.com            doing with that Cosmic Debris?"  

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From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney)
Subject: Re: t: Blasphemy?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 00:39:08 GMT

>Path: world!uunet!gatech!concert!rock!taco!samsara!gital.org!
static!xavier!mainz!nord.tostit.ca!radler
                                   ^^^^^^
>From: scott@nord.tostit.ca (Scott A Tai)

You're slipping, "Scott"...

-Mike
From: bluelobster+@CMU.EDU (David O Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:16:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.sfN2tei00XsH85Dm4c
	<1993Jan23.020413.16517@ttinews.tti.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>}... If we only
>}want to break even, cut the glossy covers and such and publish
>}at the level of the local pubs.  To me, information is what counts. ...
>
>I agree.  It would also be nice if the Bulletin were printed on recycled
>and recyclable paper.

Actually, I believe it is already!


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From: herzog@ux5.lbl.gov (Hanan Herzog)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Are there IQ tests available by FTP?
Followup-To: rec.org.mensa
Date: 22 Jan 1993 04:05:04 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.lbl.gov
Keywords: iq, test, ftp, internet

Are there any IQ tests available on the net by anonymous FTP? 

Hanan
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: apb@world.std.com (Al Beecy)
Subject: Re: Budget cuts
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 11:53:51 GMT

In article <mike_steiner-210193102142@192.35.50.131> mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
>In article <wanagin.037e@kingkong.escape.de>, wanagin@kingkong.escape.de
>(Ulf Bahrenfuss) wrote:

>> >14) Stop paying to send national editors and AMC members to IGs
>> 
>> It is thier job to be there, so you must pay them.
>
>No, it is their job to go to IBD meetings; they don't have to go to
>international gatherings.

I believe it's the Nat Reps' jobs to attend IBD. All of the rest have a
choice.



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From: shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Membership Renewal ??
Date: 25 Jan 93 14:52:13 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.


In article <21Jan93235207@miracle.com>, jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
writes...

>The great Margot (who really did do a lot for Mensa) is gone, so we should
>seriously be thinking of saving Mensa bucks by moving headquarters out of
>New York City.  (Each time I hear that mentioned to AMC bigwigs, they squak
>that we have a long lease with the Landlord and we can't break it.  Plus
>they say it'll cost too much to move people out to Peroria and many of them
>don't want to go!  -- Breaking leases is easy, that's what lawyers are for.
>Moving the clerks out may not be the right way to think about this.  How about
>letting the clerks go in NYC and hiring new ones in Peroria?)

I agree with this. When my parents moved their business across town (heck, only
10 miles for goodness sakes), their employees were up in arms compaining about
the added travel distance, etc. Forget the fact that the cheaper rent would
allow my folks to continue to employee the full staff v/s laying off some
people. So, those who wanted to keep their jobs made the allowance and were
willing to travel. Those who weren't willing are now unemployed and replaced by
people who prefer to have a job.

Moving across country is a bit different. However, it depends on how much it is
worth to the employee.

Last year I moved from TX to MA. I incurred all costs (and it was significant).
But I felt that it was in the best interest of my family. 

In the case of a national organization, they have to do what is in the best
interest of their members. Office help can ALWAYS be replaced. Sorry, nothing
personal, just business. And when their expenses comes out of MY pocket, I want
to be able to say something about it.

Heck, large manufacturing companies move their entire facility cross country.
What all does Mensa have anyway? Its an office for crying out loud. A lot of
paper, some furniture and some computers. Heck, I have that in my home office
and we moved 2400 miles last year. 8-)

Regards,
Steve.

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From: ajr@holly.massima.com (Arnold J Rimmer)
Subject: Re: Blasphemy?
Followup-To: <1993Jan23.195123.21072@cbnewse.cb.att.com> <1993Jan22.232547.7422@gw.wmich.edu> <C1BI81.215@world.std.com>
Reply-To: ajr@holly.massima.com (Arnold J Rimmer)
Organization: Massima Consumer Products, North America
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 15:20:14 GMT
Division: Holographic Research and Development


In article <1993Jan23.195123.21072@cbnewse.cb.att.com> gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:

>In article <C1BI81.215@world.std.com> moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) writes:
>>159muehlberg@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>
>>>Help!  Who is Scott Tai? (this may be sacrilege, this may be humor....)
>>
>>A coward, too chicken to post his criticisms under his/her/its real name,
>>posting under a variety of aliases instead.  Scott Tai, Dr. N O Tai,
>>Robin Adler-Pope are some of them.
>
>You have to admit, however, that it is fairly rare that an individual is
>able to make himself a virtual pariah to an entire newsgroup, as well as
>to individuals on both sides of virtually every issue.  And I personally
>find it absolutely hilarious that someone would engage non-stop in rude
>behavior, then whine about being ignored, then stoop to begging, and then
>rationalize being a "victim".  And all in different names.  I swear, it's
>like watching Anthony Hopkins in "Magic", only it's not a movie.  I
>believe an explosion is about to happen, so don't say I didn't warn you.
>I'd hate to be the person's roommate about now.
>
>Whenever I think there's nothing left in human behavior to surprise me,
>something like this pops up.  There must be a God -- with a real
>sense of humor.
>
>GM("Always a Reason to Smile")S

Good point.

And speaking of which, without Scott Tai, or any of his/her/neuter aliases and
identities, the traffic in this group would fall off tremendously.  I
have been following r.o.m since day 1.  And according to my calculations,
flamatory postings cross-referenced to message id's containing, Tai, NCSU,
and other aliases associated to Tai versus non-flamatory posts is tremendous.
That doesn't even begin to factor in all legimate gripes ands flames from
actual existing netters.  Not all of the flames on this group were started
completely by the Tai-Juggernaut.  In fact, I am going to research all the
available posts and come up with ratios and results comparing flamage to
actual Mensa group information just to see what the results would be.  I will
post my findings later on in the week.  Until then...


						Signing off,

						Arnold J Rimmer, III
						'The J stands Just back off man'
From: phil@miracle.com (Phil Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: Are there IQ tests available by FTP?
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 12:48:09 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants

an5769@anon.penet.fi (Kaleidoscope) writes:
>
>In article 1jnrpgINNktv@overload.lbl.gov, herzog@ux5.lbl.gov (Hanan Herzog) writes:
>> Are there any IQ tests available on the net by anonymous FTP? 
>
>Archie (telnet archie.rutgers.edu (128.6.18.15), login as archie, help for
>info) reports iqtest.zip for Microsoft Windows 3 (multichoice, 30min limit)
>e.g. ftp.cica.indiana.edu(129.79.20.84):/pub/pc/win3/misc/iqtest.zip.
>
>Shouldn't this be in the FAQ?

No.

I have a copy of this iqtest program.  It doesn't have much documentation.  It's
not an "official" IQ test.  Mensa (nor anyone else that I know of) does not
recognize any electronic IQ test as of yet.
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