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Subject: Re: bowling speed of Waqar and Wasim
From: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 17:57:32 GMT
Reply-To: shariq@charlie.usd.edu
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Organization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.

In article <1ik9quINNgbe@transfer.stratus.com>, nazir@sw.stratus.com (Meer Nazir) writes:
>In article <1ik6frINNj0@hal.com>, crash@hal.COM (Chris Craddock) writes:
>> 
>> The results were pretty much as mentioned above (Trueman wasn't involved)
>> with Jeff Thompson at 99mph/159Km/h the fastest. Andy Roberts, Michael
>> Holding and Dennis Lillee were all pretty close to each other in the
>> low 90mph/145Km/h range. Then came Imran/Hadlee and others I've forgotten.
>
>I think if you are talking about the same channel9 program which was recorded
>in days of Kerry Pecker series, many Pakistani netters can recall watching
>that program on Pakistan TV.
>The results if I can recall were:
>1. Jeff Thompson (All six deliveries faster than others)
>2. Micheal Holding ( only one delivery faster than Imran in six deliveries)
>3. Imran Khan (Five deliveries as second highest and one delivery with
>               lesser speed than Micheal Holding)
>
>9. Sarfraz Nawaz
>
>Jeff Thompson was considered as fastest and Micheal Holding as second fastest
>but on average speed of six deliveries IMRAN was second fastest after Thompson
>
>Also intrestingly Sarfraz Nawaz was number 9 or 10 in speed but in accuracy
>he was second or third. If some netter can really find those numbers from 
>some book, it will be intersting to see them it was more than 12 years ago
>when I saw this program. 
>
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>Disclaimer: Stratus might respect my opinions, then again they might not!
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The bowlers present there bowled not 6 but 8 deliveries and Thomson hit
the stumps on all those 8 deliveries and Holding had the highest average
speed among all bowlers at around 93 mph. Surely Imran was not faster 
than him in average. A point of note is that I have seen Imran and Holding
much faster than theyy did that day. I have seen Thomson in action at his
fastest and I am for cetain that Thomson has bowled faster thann he did that
day. I am of the belief that you cannot say that the bowlers of yesteryears
are quicker than those of today because the bowler today is a much more
superior athlete.



Shariq
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From: news@mel.dit.csiro.au
Subject: Re: bowling speed of Waqar and Wasim
Organization: CSIRO DIT (Melb.)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 02:09:17 GMT



I have seen number of postings on the speeds of various fast bowlers. Does anybody
know how these speeds measured. I can think of two possible ways this can be done.
     
    1) Use of Radar device. (Some thing similar to what the traffic police 
       irritatingly keeps using on us drivers).
     
       As this would give the instantaneous speed, it  would register
       differant speeds as it left the hand opposed to the point where the ball 
       hits the ground. I think there would be a considerable decrease in the speed
       as it travels through the air (Thus the weather conditions would have an
       effect on the speed). If such a technique was used then to compare bolwers
       it would be best to measure it as it leaves the hand.

   
    2) Measure the time taken for the ball to leave the hand and hit the ground.
       Calculate the average speed from this. I believe that this can be done from
       replay of the TV coverage. The speed calculated here would also depend on
       the weather conditions.

I dont know how the quoted speed of the previous were measured, but I do not
think  it is possible to compare them as they may have been maesured using various
methods and differant condtions.

Amal de Silva
From: neil@leibniz.une.edu.au (Neil Dunstan,153E,2119,723625)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Over rates and team selections
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:05:03 GMT
Reply-To: neil@leibniz.une.edu.au
Originator: neil@leibniz.une.edu.au

From article <1993Jan5.055255.18630@cc.uow.edu.au>, by g9066624@cc.uow.edu.au (Tippu Hassan):
> 
> while i agree that the over rate is slow ( provided there were no
>  interupptions) i would still agree with micheal holding who said 
> on the tele the other day that it would be a sad day for cricket if over 
> rate regulations become the basis of team selection.
> 

Well I disagree. Regulations also say bowlers must deliver the ball with a
straight arm - that's way baseball pitchers aren't selected for cricket
teams. And slowing down the over rate (in the absence of regulations) must
be the easiest and most cynical of ways to force a draw. And you just don't
see enough cricket. For instance...

Bishop running in to bowl...he comes in now and...its a rising 
delivery wide of the off stump and the batsman lets it go...Bishop walks
back to his mark...he comes in now and...he seemed to loose his footing in
the delivery stride and didn't let the ball go...(30 seconds later)...
Bishop running in once more...and that one is into the ribs of the batsman
who can only fend it off down on the leg side...(30 seconds later)
Bishop approaches the wicket now and...its a rising 
delivery wide of the off stump and the batsman lets it go...Bishop walks
back to his mark...he comes in now and...he seemed to loose his footing in
the delivery stride once more and didn't let the ball go...(30 seconds later)
Bishop running in once more...and that's a bouncer which the batsman ducks
under...Thats the over from Bishop. No runs from it.

(1 minute later)
Ambrose is about to begin a new over...he comes in now and...its a rising 
...
From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Cricket News from British Newspapers.....
Date: 6 Jan 93 12:42:30 GMT

(I. Rajeev Gajendran) writes: [re: English Cricket articles]

> Thanks very much for the articles. This is r.s.c. at its best! 
> Where are you getting the information from, just out of curiosity,
> and is this service likely to continue ? :-)

	Thanks for the note. A friend of mine sends me sport reports from
British newspapers.  Whenever time  permits, I summarize or edit them and
present here for the benefit of cricket lovers [ the first page I read at
home in an English newspaper was the last (sports) page].

	How long would I continue?  Well, there are three factors.

a. How long would I receive newsclips from my friend?
b. Would I get enough time to spend in this?
c. Would there be any copyright controls even to present old newsclips? 

Vicky:
UMass, Jan 06
From: vaghela@laxatv.reo.dec.com (Umesh Vaghela)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: RE: Oh.... Sorry Goochie.......
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:24:47 GMT
Reply-To: vaghela@laxatv.reo.dec.com (Umesh Vaghela)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Latest controvercies of ICC and MCC makes them a bunch of laughing stock.

Neither committees know what they are doing or saying is true. They like
make statements and then change them later. (Seems to me a nice way of
getting your name in the press).

I my opinion, Goochie's century in the rebel tour of SA should not be counted
towards his tally since the match was not approved by the ICC.

A lot of good players rejected the lucrative offers of going on a rebel
tour of SA. I am sure they are regretting now since the ICC allows the
rebels to come back to International cricket. They must feel bad lossing
a good deal of money.

What justifies the inclusion of Mike Gatting in the England squad? Gower
supporters certainly have a strong argument.

Gatting lead a rebel tour making his fellow cricketers ashamed. Spoilt
the name of English Cricketers etc...etc...

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From: eldip@lut.ac.uk (DI Patel)
Subject: Latest on Indian Pres. XI vs England?????
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 12:53:02 GMT

Hallo all!

Any news on the latest scores between the abovw teams?  Last i heard it was
Indian P. XI 105 for 2 (8.25 am GMT).  Chris Lewis removed one of the
openers for 1 and then there was a bit of a recovery before Emburey (rebel)
got the next wicket.....

Any more news would be appreciated.

Cheers. :-)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 09:45:02 EST
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Top Ten Batsman from Pakistan.

In article <8466@news.duke.edu>, shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat) says:
>
>Dishonourable mention:
>
>Rameez Raja.
>
i remember when rameez raja was pakistan's darling- less then a year ago!
the times they are a-changing...

Stay cool,
Spaceman Spiff

Non illegitimati carborundum          Don't let the bastards get you down
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From: urajan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Uday Rajan)
Subject: Boring India-RSA Test Series
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 17:56:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.153403.5667@sunvax.sun.ac.za> 8934959@sunvax.sun.ac.za writes:
>
>There is only one word to describe the Newlands test....BORING!
>
>I can't recall a test series where the batting has been so slow...

I fully agree with the sentiments expressed by James. Of course, both sides
(especially the captains) are equally at fault, but if that's the way India
plays Test cricket, it is hardly surprising that the 5-day game has become
very unpopular in India. OK, so we lose in the one-day game as well, but
at least the spectators get to see some cricket (or whatever bastardised
version they play in ODIs). The only saving grace of this series was that, at
the same time as India and RSA were grinding everyone to sleep, Australia,
West Indies, New Zealand and Pakistan were reminding everyone that Test cricket
IS the real thing. 

I can actually recall a series that was as dull as this one - that between
Fletcher's England and Gavaskar's India in 1981-82, in India. India won 
the first test on a dirt-track at Bombay, and the rest of the series (5 
whole Tests) was one long-drawn out stalemate. One important difference 
between that series and the present India-RSA one was that there were
no over-rate rules then, and the norm from both sides was 12-13 overs an 
hour. Yawn, yawn. 

I can only hope that the current England-India series provides some more
positive cricket. Given that Fletcher is back as manager, and India is 
coming off a losing streak, that may be wishful thinking.
From: vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Gooch Cocktail Party........
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:09:13 GMT

Vicky [vigneswa@ecs.umass.edu] writes: >
>Well.  There were 15 batsmen accompanied Gooch to face the opening bowler
>of the world.  Thery ar:
>
>01. Mike Brearley                        02. Geoff Boycott
>03. Chris Tavare                         04. Geoff Cook
>05. Tim Robinson                         06. Mark Benson
>07. Martyn Moxon                         08. Bill Athey
>09. Chris Broad                          10. Tim Curtis
>11. John Stephenson                      12. Wayne Larkins
>13. Mike Atherton                        14. Hugh Morris
>15. Alec Stewart
>

Muhunthan Sivapragasam tells me that Gower opened with Gooch in the
second innings in their last Ashes series in Australia.  In the 2nd
innings England needed 200 runs to win.  In the first innings, Mark
Atherton and David Gower scored centuries.

The above were the regular openers. Okay, then who else opened with 
Goochie at least once in test matches?

Vicky:
Jan 07, 15:08
From: deepakd@ural.Eng.Sun.COM (Deepak Dhamdhere)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Gavaskar's opening partners
Keywords: cricket opening
Date: 7 Jan 93 09:35:44 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
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Someone earlier posted Gooch's long list of opening partners, I guess, 16
of them.

I believe, Gavaskar would surpass this number. Most of my memory is from
the 1971-80 period. 

Ashok Mankad		Sunil's buddy from Bombay, never really clicked.
Sudhir Naik		Never clicked in the 1971 tour of England.
Gopal Bose		2 tests
Ramnath Parkar		2 or 3 tests
Farookh Engineer	Always fun to watch, usually outpaced Gavaskar
Chetan Chauhan		Sunil's best batting partner for years.
Abid Ali		The fearless all-rounder who could play at any position.
Anshuman Gaikwad	Played anchor lots of times. 
Dilip Vengsarkar	(I don't know how many tests did he open.)
Eknath Solkar		When there was no other choice...
Kirmani			I believe he has opened once !
Ravi Shastri		Any comments ?

Can someone comment on Mohindar Amarnath ? Did he ever open ? How about
Surinder Amarnath ? Do you remember who was his first batting partner in
the famous 1971 West Indies series ? Was it Jayantilal or Mankad ?

Please complete the list ....

Deepak Dhamdhere
deepak.dhamdhere@sun.com
From: mkulkarn@uceng.uc.edu (Mangesh Kulkarni)
Subject: SA vs InDIA
Keywords:  YE kya ho raha  hai???
 Hi folks, I was feeling really sad when I was reading news @ india's 
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:51:33 GMT

miserable performance in SA.  I guess it is time indians stop playing 
cricket for at least a couple of years.  Make lush green pithces and allow 
young talent to come forward. what we really need to do is have 2W's in 
Indian cricket team.  Unless we do that its really wothless to keep on 
playing and loosing.  

I doubt @ our becoming happy by indians performance in coming series 
against England.  

Only thing we can do is wish them all the good luck in this world 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Mangesh Kulkani 
University of Cincinnati
mkulkarn@uceng.uc.edu
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: abhik@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Abhik SENGUPTA)
Subject: Re: Why was Dean Jones dropped from the AUstralian team??
Originator: abhik@muse.cs.mu.OZ.AU
Reply-To: abhik@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Abhik SENGUPTA)
Organization: Computer Science, University Of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 22:33:27 GMT


In article <9301112039.AA24028@edison.ece.scarolina.edu>, rajagopa@charlie.ece.scarolina.edu (Sundararaman Rajagopal) writes:
> Hi netters
> 
> I was recently going through an issue of The Cricketer" in which there were 
> reviews of the recently concluded test series between Australia and Srilanka.
> Dean Jones apart from Greg Mathews was the main stay of the australian batting
> in most of the matches(including the test matches) and infact saved the Australian team in the second test by scoring a century.
> 
> I am wondering why he has been dropped from the test team for the current seriesagainst the WestIndies. did he fail so badly in the domestic matches or did the

Dean Jones was dropped from the team because he had not had much
match practice at all before the test series.
Most of the first class matches he played in were washed out and
when he did get a chance he did not perform.
The other reason ofcourse  was the brilliant form of the Waugh 
brothers and Damien Martyn against the Windies in leadup games.

> Australian selectors have a recent coaching stint from their Indian counterpartsas to how destroy the career of good players ???

There is some truth in this proposition :
Just look at how long they took to bring Mark Waugh, perhaps the
best batsman to have come out of this country in the past ten years,
into the team.

> 
> Hope somebody from Australia can clarify this!!
> 
> Raj.
> 


Hope that clarified a few things.

         Abhik S.

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                   abhik@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au
                   abhik@muse.cs.mu.oz.au
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From: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Subject: Re: Pak win by 33 runs - the swing demons do it again
Reply-To: anw@maths.nott.ac.uk (Dr A. N. Walker)
Organization: Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:13:05 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.222036.13177@leland.Stanford.EDU>
arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) writes:
>						    It is fascinating to
>see four fast bowlers in on e team of very high calibre [...]

	Efficient, ruthless, perhaps;  fascinating, no.  [Four slow bowlers
would be no better.]  Fascination comes from individual duels, or sometimes
from displays of great fielding or great captaincy.

>Ofcourse maybe the english have a totally different idea about cricket
>from the rest of the world especially if they have been on the losing end.

	Like all teams, England have had their ups and downs over the years.
Currently, they are boringly efficient [especially at the one-day game], and
are not particularly on the losing end [even in Tests].  Having said that,
note that if the English *do* have a different idea, the rest of the world
had better not ignore it.  Most of the structural support for the game
comes from TV rights, mostly in the UK and Australia, and sponsorship,
mostly in the UK, Australia and South Africa.  Paying spectators are the
poor relations.  International cricket is driven by the desires of the
sponsors, and hence by the perceptions of the mass audience [especially
in the UK] -- not of the cricket lovers.  If Joe Public switches off, we
can, in the not very distant future, say goodbye to Test cricket as we
know it.

-- 
Andy Walker, Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK.
anw@maths.nott.ac.uk
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From: an5802@anon.penet.fi (The Lord)
Subject: Looking for Sanjay Kalra
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:27:13 GMT


X-Anon-To: rec.sport.cricket

Hi 

I am looking for Sanjay Kalra. He was the opening batsman for Peterborough 
County in England in the 80s. It seems he is studying nowadays somewhere
in the north-east of the US.
Any pointers will be appreciated.

Thanks

The Lord

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From: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: WI beat Pakistan - aplogies to all nettors
Date: 9 Jan 93 04:12:36 GMT
Reply-To: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


  First - aplogies. For some reason, while running dougie - I was having
trouble getting echo on the terminal and was not able to run dougie tonight. I
aplogize to the nettors who were looking forward to an exciting game - live
scorecard by computer.

   As for the match, it ended before the lunch break. West Indies scored the
required 72 runs in 19.2 overs (20 th over being the last one before lunch).
Richardson finished the innings with a six. Lara was the batsman out caught by
Waqar off Wasim for 10. Haynes with 25 and Richardson with 22 were not out. Mr.
Extras surprisingly scored 15 in such a small score.


K. Sankara Rao                          e-mail k.srao@power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu

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From: KSRAO@power.eee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: end of Pak innings
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:28:16 -0600
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WSC game WI v Pakistan at Gabba on 9-1-93

Pakistan

Sayeed Anwar		c Lara 	b Bishop 	2(4)
Shahid Saeed		c Lara	b Bishop	1(8)
Inzamam			c Simminsb Bishop	0(6)
Javed			c Murray b Bishop	0(10)
Mutjaba			b Benjamin		1(5)
Malik			b Ambrose		8(22)
Akram			c Simmons b Ambrose	19(38)
Waqar			c Lara	b Ambrose	0(3)
Mushtaq			c Rich'son b Bishop	2(9)
Aquib			c Ben' b Bishop		4(7)
Latif			not out 		22(26)

extras   (lb 3, nb 1, w 8)			12

Total    in 23.4 overs				71

Bowling

Bishop	8.4	0	25	5	0	6
Benj.	6	2	16	2	1	1
Ambros	6	1	13	3	0	1
Hooper  3	0	14	0	0	0
From: rajiv@dvorak.amd.com (Rajiv Malhotra)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Azhar remains captain for the Indian Team
Keywords: No change in captaincy!!!
Date: 12 Jan 93 00:58:00 GMT
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.; Austin, Texas

In article <1993Jan11.205259.17604@dvorak.amd.com> kaushik@dvorak.amd.com (Kaushik Chhotani) writes:
>
>Kaushik
>

Ok here are my teams:

TEST-

1. Siddhu
2. Prabhaker
3. Amre
4. Tendulakar
5. Azhar (Capt.)
6. Kambli
7. Kapil
8. Yadav
9. Maninder
10. Kumble
11. Srinath

Since Shastri has been dropped the only way to have 5 regular
bowlers in the side is to get Prabhaker to open. The inclusion
of Yadav may strengthen the batting as the team has only five
specialist bats. If Maninder fails than Chauhan may be a 
replacement. 

ODI-

1. Raman 
2. Prabhaker 
3. Amre
4. Tendulaker
5. Azhar
6. Kambli
7. Kapil
8. Shastri
9. More
10. Kumble
11. Srinath

The inclusion of Shastri will provide the 5th bowler and slogger.
Raman should be the first choice to open because of his
success against SA. If he fails the Siddhu should be tried. 

-- 
  
--- There is no future in time travel.
 
****     Rajiv Malhotra    ***
From: ksrao@power.ee.ndsu.nodak.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: AZZA RETAINED
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:29:53 GMT
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Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network


     Azzaruddin is retained as Captain of the Indian team for the first three
games against England. He will be reconsidered after that for the remainder of
the England tour. It appears Kapil and Tendulkar were also considered for
skippering the team. The team is not yet announced.


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