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From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
Subject: Re: Anita Hill to Head EEOC
Organization: Oracle Corporation
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 23:22:13 GMT
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In article <1992Nov16.154506.8707@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>In article <1992Nov15.063404.27260@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>In <1992Nov15.005043.17348@Princeton.EDU> (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
>>>In <1992Nov14.235032.16739@oracle.us.oracle.com> (Michael Friedman) writes:
>>>>In <1992Nov13.153555.20038@osf.org> buchman@osf.org (Terri Buchman) writes:
>>>>>In article <Qf0kU8u00awUB5F1Uw@andrew.cmu.edu> Thomas Omar Smith writes:

>>>>>>Legacies generate huge amounts of money for colleges, since those whose
>>>>>>children attend a school as a legacy are far more likely to make alumni
>>>>>>donations.  Legacies are good business for colleges, not a form of
>>>>>>discrimination.

>>>>>So you're in favor of quotas for rich white people.  

>>>>Nope.  These days, legacies are sometimes black.

>>>Yeah, and Dan Quayle can sometimes spell.

>>Is this supposed to add something to the discussion?

>It had about as much factual comment as your quote did.  Do you have any
>idea how few legacies are black "these days?"

Nope.  For the Ivy League, based on the numbers that I have the
impression were in the Ivy League in the Fifties and early Sixties I
would guess between .1% and 1%.  Do you know?

>>>>>Quotas are okay if the recipients give a kick back to the organization?

>>>>If the recipients are giving a kick back then it isn't a quota.  It's
>>>>payment for services rendered.

>>>That's true.  But the point is, everyone gets so worked up about AA, because
>>>it violates the great merit principle, while they *don't* get worked up
>>>about all these other violations of that principle, from geographic AA
>>>to sports AA to musical talent AA.

>>Well, you see, I am quite happy to accept the idea that racial
>>discrimmination is wrong.  I am totally unwilling to accept the idea
>>that racial discrimmination that benefits me is wrong but racial
>>discrimmination that hurts me is OK.  I don't think that is unreasonable.

>>>>>I don't know, sounds like a case were the RICCO laws should be invoked.

>>>>Fair enough.  Mind explaining how legacies violate RICO?  Personally,
>>>>I don't think they do and I think the sum total of your knowlege about
>>>>RICO is that it is sometimes used against allegedly corrupt
>>>>organizations.

>>>Personally, I think someone ought to file RICO charges against the DEA,
>>>since it is engaged in a pattern of crime.  Civil forfeiture = theft.

>>Cute, but this also indicates that you have minimal understanding of
>>US law.  Civil forfeiture may be wrong, but it is legal.  RICO
>>therefore does not apply.

>I fail to see how something that violates the 5th and 14th amendments
>to the Constitution could possibly be called "legal."  But maybe that's
>just me.

Yes.  It is just you.  Stand by for a quick less on on the law.  You
are strongly advised to enlarge on this by reading a book on the
subject before posting again on legal issues.

Start Lesson:

It may be unconstitutional, but as long as the courts say that it is
legal it is legal.  If the Supreme Court rules tomorrow that civil
forfeiture is a violation of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments the
people who did it before the ruling will still not be guilty of any
crime.  People who lost property may be able to sue to get it back,
and they might even get punitive damamges, but that would be the sole
redress.  There could be no criminal charges because no crime would
have been committed.

End Lesson.
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