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From: weed@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (daniel weed 283-4162)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Accidental Discharges
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:05:33 GMT


--
I've read a few posts in the last few days describing the humbling 
aftereffects of having an AD.  What I would like to know is:  How did
this AD occur? What events lead up to it, what will you do differently 
next time?

It is said there are two kinds of people:  those who have had ADs, and those
who will.  I would like to add a third category - those who will not.
One good way to stay in the latter is to learn from other's mistakes,
so I invite anyone who has to post their new found wisdom to the net.

I would also like to clarify the difference (IMHO) between Accidental
Discharges and Negligent Discharges.  "Accidental" implys to me an unexpected
discharge through no fault of the shooter, perhaps due to the gun failing
to operate properly - such as firing with the safety on.  Negligent means
the discharge was due to the shooter's error.  I suspect there are
very few ADs, and many NDs.

Let me also offer two rules that if adhered to, will prevent NDs.

First, never point a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy.
This always applies, whether the gun is loaded or not.  For example,
when I dry fire in my home, I DO NOT point it at my dog or my wife, even
though I "KNOW" its unloaded.  But I'm willing to point it at my TV,
particularly during certain news broadcasts :-).  (I won't point it at my
fishtank either, but I'm not sure which would be the bigger mess).  I think
the way I worded this rule is similar to something Jeff Cooper has said - to 
his credit.

Second:  Always unload, or verify the gun is unloaded, the moment you
pick it up.  Even if you just set it down to go piss or something.  Again,
I think as Jeff Cooper said:  Guns are ALWAYS loaded, their supposed to
be, otherwise they don't do you much good.  If you believe all guns are
ALWAYS loaded, you will ALWAYS check it when you pick it up, even if
you just put it down.  Over time this becomes a natural habit.

I invite anyone to elaborate and pass on their "laws" for safe gun
handling.

FYI: Recent AD/ND in Houston:

Woman walking out of crowded mall accidently drops her purse.  Gun inside
purse fires, wounding said woman.  This made the evening news and fueled
the ban-handguns fire, as firearms accidents tend to do.  The type of gun 
was not mentioned, but the video showed what appeared to be one of those 
inexpensive Davis semi-autos.

I don't know if the safety was on or not, and I don't know if the Davis 
is prone to ADs: anyone on the net care to comment on the Davis' safety?  
By the way, carrying a concealed firearm is illegal in TX, so I'm sure she 
was spanked real hard after getting out of the hospital.


Regards,

-- Dan

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Daniel Weed                             weed@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov
McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Co. - Houston
          "My comments are my own, not my employer's"
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Z-Coat Polymer Camo?
Date: 21 Nov 92 13:19:24 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT

I have been checking into getting a camo finish applied to an AR-15
recently, and have discovered that Z-Coat Ordnance has apparently gone
out of business (they offered this type finish).
I contacted Robar and was informed that they too offer "Polymax" camo
finishes for firearms.
They want $210 (dealer) to do the entire rifle. Sounds steep.
Anyhow, anyone out there have any experience with this type finish?
I assume its the same thing that one see's advertised as "mossy-oak" etc
on many current rifles and scopes.
I was told that the September issue of Soldier of Fortune has some pictures
and an article on the Robar "Polymax" camo finish. Anyone have it?
A copy of the article would be nice. :)
So, is this finish durable? Scratch resistant? Look good?
All info appreciated.
From: sim@staircase.bae.bellcore.com (Jeremy Kagen)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: anyone have a spare copy of the shotgun news??
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:10:46 GMT
Organization: Bellcore

I can't seem to locate a source for the shotgun news.

does anyone have an idea where i can get one?

thanks,

jeremy
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Little-known membership benefits of the NRA
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:08:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucsu.199211161820.AA22450
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <BxsCtx.M8J@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:
#All a police officer has to have to search or arrest you, according
#to the Bill of Rights, is probable cause.

The Bill of Rights requires a warrant _and_ a Grand Jury indictment
in all cases. However, the Bill of Rights (directly and literally) 
applies only to the federal government. The states are limited
by the Fourteenth Amendment, which (according to the Supreme Court)
implies _roughly_ the same things as the Bill of Rights. However,
there are exceptions: In this case, the Grand Jury indictment isn't
applied to the states, and "probable cause" is an acceptable alternative
to a warrant.

#At any time, at any place.
#Of course, the officer will be expected to demonstrate in open court
#his "probable cause;" if he can't, he (and the department) are open
#to charges...

Police officers have been known to create misunderstandings, which then
allow them to claim probable cause: "Missouri warrants" for example.

                                                     Frank Crary
                                                     CU Boulder
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Armor Piercing rounds
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:07:20 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT

Don't forget to try the .223 SS109 round.
Althugh not a "true" AP round, you'll find that the carbide "pennetrator"
does quite nicely. :)
I have done some unscientific experiments using 1/2"-thick aluminum
(a very HARD aluminum alloy I got from a factory. the plates were used in
some sort of machinery fixtures) plates, one in front of the other.
The SS109 and chinese 7.62x39 steel core will go through 3+ plates@ 25 yards.
From: mac@cis.ksu.edu (Myron A. Calhoun)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: .357 in a 9mm
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:32:41 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University

n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
<keith@scorpio.ic.cmc.ca (Keith de Solla) writes:
<<This is probably a silly question but, is there any problem with
<<reloading 9mm with .357 JSP bullets?  I tried a few rounds and
<<though they are shorter & shaped differently from 9mm JSP bullets,
<<they fed ok in my Hi-Power.  The Speer .357JSPs are somewhat cheaper
<<(where I shop) than Speer 9mm JSPs & I would like to load a lot up
<<to break in my Hi-Power.

<I've done it and it works just fine.  I don't think there is enough
<difference between the calibers to matter.

I saw a revolver just this morning advertised to shoot both .357 Magnum
and 9mm.  The owner said it had two cylinders (because the 9mm cartridge
is shorter) but used the same barrell.

Now I'm curious why I can't shoot 9mm in the same revolver which already
shoots .357 Magnum and the 0.1" shorter .38 Special.  Just how much
shorter is a 9mm cartridge?
--Myron.
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From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Mini 14 fires when not in battery
Date: 15 Nov 92 14:28:14 GMT
Organization: The Instrumentality

In article <1992Nov14.135444.24071@walter.bellcore.com> bellcore!torque.bae.bellcore.com!sjs@uunet.UU.NET (Stephen Szymanski) writes:

As a final followup to this...I've checked it out, and am satisfied that
the Mini 14 cannot be fired unless the bolt is fully closed (except if it's
broken). The reason for this is that the bolt rotates to lock up; the
firing pin is fixed in the bolt in such a way that it cannot move forward
until the bolt has been turned into the fully locked position. In
distinction to most semi-auto handguns, the hammer will go down when the
bolt is not in battery--but the firing pin will not move.

The manual also states that this cannot happen.

Many thanks to the people who corresponded with me about this.
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Peter Cash   |       (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein)      |cash@convex.com
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From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Rifle in Defense ( was Re: Why are there no reliable semi-auto shotguns? )
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:10:01 GMT
Organization: The Instrumentality

In article <199211171713.AA28975@cherokee.advtech.uswest.com> kdlin@advtech.uswest.com (David Lin) writes:
...
#This is an interesting choice. I always wonder when would one pick his
#rifle for defense purpose, assuming he is a regular citizen and he has
#other choices like handguns and shotguns. ( Noting the plural nouns ;)

#When I took an AR15 shooting class from a cop, he told me the regular
#stuff: I wish you would never have to use it for self-defense purpose.....
#I'm wondering if you guys can give me a scenario in which I might want to
#use a rifle instead of other weapons. Thanks.

Well how about this: Due to a disaster (hurricane, flood, earthquake,
insurrection, war, take yer pick) there has been a general breakdown of
civilized conduct and good manners. In fact, unwelcome visitors are
infiltrating the neighborhood in large, boisterous groups brandishing an
assortment of weaponry. The police are nowhere to be seen. You and your
neighbors find it necessary to set up an informal militia to protect the
environs by patroling and manning roadblocks.

Given this scenario, _I_ would rather be armed with something that packs a
bit more punch than a handgun, has a longer range than a shotgun, and is
reasonably accurate: in short, an Evil Assault Rifle (tm). 


-- 
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             |      Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist.     |
Peter Cash   |       (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein)      |cash@convex.com
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From: JLW154@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: TC flintlock
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:31:55 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


     I am thinking about buying a Thompson Contender Hawken muzzleloader.  Does
 anyone have one of these, do they shoot well, what type of ball(maxi,round,etc
.) how many grains of powder.  oh it is a 50 caliber, any comments would be gre
atly appreciated.
Jay Wade
From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Colt Sporter mags
Date: 19 Nov 92 15:06:29 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Nov17.163105.2954@btree.uucp> btree!hale@UCSD.EDU (Bob Hale) writes:
#In article <13197@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer) writes:
#[ description of modifying Colt magazines deleted ]
##Not any more.  Colt changed them to be riveted in place.  It's a shame,
##but at least this way, they don't sell a high capacity assault weapon.
#
#The riveted Colt magazine that I dissected simply required the drilling of
#the rivet (a .120 diameter drill fits well).  With the rivet gone, the
#magazine can be disassembled and cleaned and if you so desire the
#U-shaped block can be omitted.  If you save the block then you could
#restore the magazine to a 5-round capacity if the need arises.

My Stanley brand "Yankee" screwdriver <it turns when you push down>
came with a wood boring bit. I popped it in and when after these 
rivets. 3 turns, count 'em, 3 turns, was all that was needed to knock 
out these rivets. They have the tensile strength of warm butter.

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 | Wayne J. Warf -- WWARF@ucs.indiana.edu -- I speak for myself only  |
 | Midterm Countdown-Bill and the Congress have to '94 to screw it up |
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From: rmihara%ocf.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Randall A. Mihara)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Weapon for defense from cows
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:17:51 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility

In article <1992Nov21.134449.10187@reed.edu> todd@reed.edu (Todd Ellner) writes:
#I've got a self-defense situation that's a little different from most
#of the ones I see here. It's cows.

Well, I normally use a box of twinkies to lure them back into the
Jenny Craig clinic...oh, you mean the other types of cows:-)

#My question is, what is a good weapon to carry in case we run into the nastier
#one's far from our vehicle? So far the recommendations are:

If you want a pistol, how about a Freedom Arms .454 Casull?  It should have
enough punch to stop a cow.

If you want a rifle that will absolutely stop a cow, get a McMillan .50 Cal.
But realistically, you would probably be better off with a .308 and taking
multiple shots.

However, you might want to explore other non-lethal alternatives.  That is,
you might be able to use a sonic device to frighten the bull away, or
at least irritate it enough to leave the immediate premises.  Of course,
you might end up enraging it, at which point you should have a backup
plan:-)

Another thing you might do is use a shotgun loaded with salt (that is
if you have an old shotgun that is essentially valueless).  You can give
the bull a painful, but non-lethal wound.

I would not suggest using a small caliber pistol such as a 9mm or 45ACP.
You might just wound such a large animal and get it angry.

Just my 2 bits.

Randy Mihara
rmihara@ocf.berkeley.edu
From: mac@cis.ksu.edu (Myron A. Calhoun)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Getting started in reloading
Date: 17 Nov 92 18:31:02 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University

donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:
#I've been thinking about reloading for a while now and I wanted to find
#out what the minimum setup is to get started in reloading.  Is there some
#relatively inexpensive (under $100), low capacity setup I can get that
#will let me start loading my own inexpensively?

Checkout Lee.  I started reloading about 3 years ago, and assuming my
grep of my financial records caught most entries (I tried "load", "Lee",
"powder", and a few other things), here are my TOTAL costs so far:

Necessaries:
-----------
Mar.89:   12.00  Speers Reloader's Guide, gunshow
Mar.89:   25.00  Lee reloading kit with dies, gunshow
Mar.89:   25.00  Lee dies for .357 & .38, gunshow
Mar.89:   25.00  Lee dies for 30/06, gunshow
Mar.89:    6.00  set of Lee power measures, gunshow
Mar.89:    8.00  100 .357 brass, gunshow
Mar.89:    5.00  100 .357 lead, gunshow
Mar.89:    2.00  100 .38  brass, gunshow
Mar.89:    7.00  100 .38  lead, gunshow
Mar.89:    2.50  200 pistol primers, gunshow
Mar.90:   12.72  Lee Chamfer tool/length gauges for .38/.357/.30-06, gunshow
Mar.90:    4.25  Lee case trimmer, gunshow
Sep.90:   23.85  NRA one-book per reloading manuals (.30-06, .38S, .357M)

Optionals:
---------
Mar.89:    6.00  Shooters Bible, gunshow
Mar.90:    1.00  Lee reloading catalog, mailorder
Mar.90:   11.13  Lee AutoPrime II, gunshow
Mar.90:    3.65  reloading tray, .357 brass brush, gunshow
                (Since then I've made several more wooden trays)
Feb.91:    2.00  Lee large primer guide and catalog, mailorder
                (I lost my $0.50 guide and Lee's minimum order is $2.00!)
Mar.91:   23.05  Lee powder scale, gunshow
Mar.91:   16.76  Lee auto-disk powder measure, gunshow

Consumables:
-----------
Mar.89:   26.26  pound each GreenDot & IRM 4350 powders, gunshow
Feb.91:  121.05  10# IMR4350 powder, mailorder (I still have plenty!)
Sep.91:   12.63  pound of Blue Dot powder, gunShow
Feb.91:   82.29  Reloading bullets/brass, mailorder
Feb.91:   41.85  Reloading bullets/brass, mailorder
Jun.92:    6.00  .38Sp/.357Mag brass, garagesale

Impulse (found at garage sales one nice Saturday morning):
---------------------------------------------------------
Jun.92:    5.00  Lee hand reloader, .357 Magnum, garagesale
Jun.92:    6.50  .38Sp/.357Mag dies, garagesale

--Myron.
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From: mozart@coos.dartmouth.edu (Sting)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Sig Opinions?
Date: 15 Nov 92 14:28:24 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

Hello, all...

In my search for a good, all-purpose carry gun, I've been very impressed
with sig-sauer's P226 & P228.  Any Sig owners out there who might be 
willing to comment or advise on either of these models?  Performance,
maintenance, accuracy, etc.?

Please email, as I don't get here terribly often...
Thanks!

-Mike

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From: watt-alan@net.yale.edu (Alan Watt)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Opinions on Grendel P-12
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:07:46 GMT
Organization: Yale University, Computing & Information Systems


In article <s71auB1w164w@upchrch.UUCP>, upchrch!joel@peora.sdc.ccur.com (Joel Upchurch  ) writes:
|> I'm thinking of buying a Grendel P-12 for a pocket gun to carry in
|> situations where I couldn't easily carry my usual gun, a S&W 6906. I've
|> seen the P-12 and it looks like something the could easily be carried in
|> my pants pocket, especially with a square holster to break up the
|> outline. The DAO trigger is an attractive feature for me as is the
|> price, since I don't have the money to spend right now for something I'm
|> only going use once in a while.
|> 

"Gun Tests" has looked at the Grendel at least twice in the past several
years.  They report it is a piece of junk.
-- 
  Alan S. Watt
  Yale University			Computing and Information Systems
  Box 2112 Yale Station			(203) 432-6602
  New Haven, CT  06520-2112		Watt-Alan@Yale.Edu
From: barry@uts.amdahl.com (Barry Needham)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Open Carry Holsters
Date: 21 Nov 92 02:16:03 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA


kkirksey@world.std.com (Ken B Kirksey) writes:

#So, I'm kind of looking around at holsters for the purpose.  My main criteria
#is that it be comfortable and that I be able to sit (in the car, at my desk,
#etc.) without removing it.  I'm kind of partial right now to the Galco 
#Stealth model, which claims to be all of the above and comes in both
#fashionable plain and basket weave leather. :)  Anyone out there have any
#others I might want to look into or avoid?

Take a look at the Milt Sparks BN57.  I think that Milt's stuff is some of the
best available.

#| Ken Kirksey                | "A man cannot be too careful in his choice     |
#| kkirksey@world.std.com     |  of enemies."                                  |

Barry.

-- 
Barry Needham          barry@uts.amdahl.com          USA (408) 992-2527
From: jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Rifle in Defense (.308 penetration?!)
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:39:01 GMT
Organization: Center for Environmental and Regulatory Information Systems, Purdue University

#From article <75751@hydra.gatech.EDU>, by gt4458c@prism.gatech.edu (John Stephens Cronin):
# 
# #In article <1992Nov19.195759.11856@CERIS.Purdue.EDU>
# #jheath@fieldofdreams.npirs.purdue.edu (Jim Heath) writes:
# #
# ##>I will use my laser-sighted .308 SIG AMT, loaded with 20 rounda of
# ##>frangible ammunition, unless I have no other weapon at my disposal.
# ##>The 18" barrel makes it handy around corners, the softnose ammo will
# ##>not penetrate decent drywall
# 
# I have to agree with the gentleman who doubts the claim that softnose .308
# ammo will not penetrate drywall.  I have personally shot a Crosman pellet
# gun (.177 caliber at about 700 fps) completely through an interior wall
# that had drywall on either side (I assume that this is what you mean when
# you say two layers).  I have also shot completely through an interior
# door (typical hollow construction).  If your 180 grain .308 softpoints
# will not do the same (at the bare minimum!), then either you have armored
# drywall or a very weak .308.  .308 softpoint should be able to penetrate
# drywall, and a lot of it.  I have a .30-06 which is only a bit more powerful
# than your .308, and I am pretty sure it would go through a cinderblock firewall
# in a addition to a layer of drywall on each side.
# 

Beg your pardon, but I _was not_ the person who claimed that .308 would
not penetrate drywall.  I was the one who thought it could be penetrated
with a pellet pistol.
-- 
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Though all the world betrays thee.
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard, (The Minstrel Boy)
One faithful harp will praise thee."         (Thomas Moore)
From: upchrch!joel@peora.sdc.ccur.com (Joel Upchurch  )
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 45 ACP, 9mm
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:09:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: upchrch.m5mauB1w164w
Organization: Upchurch Computer Consulting, Orlando FL


rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes:

#The 10mm is being relegated to the ballistic scrapheap of history -
#there are relatively few guns fo rthis caliber being sold, and not
#that wide a selection to choose from.   In 10 years or so, I expect that
#10mm will be about as popular as the .41 magnum is now - you'll
#still be able to find ammo for it, but not as easily (or cheaply)
#as 9mm, 45, and 40 s&w.

While I have reservations about the 10mm as a pistol ammo, I suspect
that it might find a place as carbine and submachine gun ammo. It
should achieve quite respectable energies when fired out of a carbine
barrel. I wouldn't be surprised, based on the results I've read with
.357 Magnum fired out of a carbine, if the energies for the 155 grain
bullet weren't up in the 30-30 range. There would be obvious advantages
to getting assault rifle like performance out of a submachine gun.

Has anybody seen any actual reports on the muzzle velocities of the
new 10mm submachine guns?

(If your mail bounces use the address below.)
Joel Upchurch/Upchurch Computer Consulting/718 Galsworthy/Orlando, FL 32809
joel@peora.ccur.com {uiucuxc,hoptoad,petsd,ucf-cs}!peora!joel (407) 859-0982
From: miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant)
Newsgroups: rec.guns,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Little-known membership benefits of the NRA
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:06:40 GMT
Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
Organization: University of Kentucky, USA. -5 GMT

How bout this?:

This may be tpg fodder, but this is kinda related to one of the earlier
letters posted in this thread.

Concerning what the police might think about your NRA bumper-sticker...

I was listening to my scanner the other night, and I heard a dispatcher
describing a suspect-car to a mobile unit.
At the end of the car discription, the dispatcher further informed the
police officers that the suspect car had a "Ellinger political bumper-sticker"
on it. The thing that makes this interesting, is that the bumper-sticker
described was the type sent out by the NRA to its local members.
My point, I wonder if the bumper-sticker info was passed to the officers to
aid in IDing the car, or if it was to warn them of a "possibly armed NRA
member"?
Am I paranoid here or what?
:)