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From: ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Gaak!
Date: 4 Oct 92 20:47:52 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Organization: Yale University


> I picked up Gary Sheffield and Bob Tewksbury for free.

Gaak! Did you win or are you close? Those eeediots! Tewksbury had control
and was expected to win 10 or so games. And Sheffield (I honestly never
heard of him and didn't bid on him) but several people in our league were
desparate for him and I think he went for $14 (still a steal). 

> I paid $36 for Dibble, then when I found out he was having arm troubles in
> spring training, I traded him for Dale Murphy, Larry Andersen, and Eric
> Karros.  Then I proceeded to waive Karros because I thought they were going to
> send him back to Albuquerque!

I figured Kal Daniels, Todd Benzinger, and a rookie? Naah. 

> How about Ramon Martinez?  Someone paid $22 for him in our league!

Went for $21 in ours! The SAME person also paid a similar amount for (Get
this!) Tommy Greene, Pete Harnisch, and Tom Browning! We all figured he had
the pitching stats hands down. But noooo! We have a close race between the
1-7 positions but he's about another 10 points all alone in the basement.
His team ERA was over 4.00, and just recently went under thanks to a
sizzling hot Cormier.

> Bonds, Dawson and Sosa for HoJo, Calderon, Pedro Guerrero, McClendon, and 
> Randolph!

I don't know what to say Neill. This has to be THE worst trade I have ever
seen in rotisserie league baseball. :-) Come to think of it, I'd sure like
to know about some more reediculous trades. They're quite amusing. Anyone
got some more to share?

> Also, Darrin Jackson and Chico Walker for Lenny Harris.

> Finally, Bip Roberts and Rex Hudler for Roger McDowell and Mark Portugal. 
> Consider that this trade was made in late July!  Everyone knows how awesome
> Bip was in the last two months of the season, and anyone who had McDowell the
> last two months is still suffering from it.  Moreover, Portugal wasn't 
> activated from the DL until one or two weeks ago.

I made a similar trade involving Portugal, three days before he went on the
DL. I sent him away along with Mike Felder, for Vince Coleman and Mike
Perez. Perez ended up with more victories. Mike Felder was solid, and
Coleman was injury prone, but he still wound up with 24 SB. 

I was also THIS close to trading Dave Hollins for Luis Gonzalez and Tim
Wallach. Pheeew!

Another funny incident occurred with a person who owned Alejandro Pena. He
started out with a 7.00 ERA of sorts and deactivated him. Pena then went on
a streak of 8 saves or so. He reactivated him, then Pena once again slumped
as Mercker and Stanton picked up. He then deactivated him when rumors were
flying that his arm was shot. Then Pena saved another 4 or so during this
period.
From: elliott@halley.est.3m.com (Scott J. Elliott)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: any exciting roto races out there?
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:38:05 GMT
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In-reply-to: gindin@gindinraleigh.ibm.com's message of Mon, 28 Sep 1992 16:46:55 GMT

Our league stands at 1st 61.5, 2nd 61, 3rd 54, 4th 53.5, and 5th 50.0
with two weeks to go. Most of the top five are stealing points from
each other, and the top spot is traded from day to day, comming down
to HR's and Wins.

Scott
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From: ahn@pop.cis.yale.edu (Eugene R. Ahn)
Subject: Top Picks, Trades, and etc.
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Organization: Yale University
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 01:38:42 GMT

I'm running an NL rotisserie league and just wanted to bring up some sweet
picks and trades that occurred. Perhaps others would like to share their
duds and "I knew he was going to be good (jaah!)" picks.

HERE'S THE HIGHLIGHTS

Picked up Doug Jones for a $1. Knew he would get saves (expecting 15), but
11 wins and 35 saves and a sub 2.00 ERA! Thanks to Doug, I won the saves
category with only two closers, Lee Smith (41) and Doug. Closest behind 76
is 65.

Bought Bret Barberie for $8. DUD! I have no idea what happened to him. Was
it the pressure of fielding? He started to hit when Delino went down, but
has slumped again. He's now hitting around .235. Anyone have any
explanations?

Dave Hollins! I knew he was going to be solid, but his 26 HR and 91 RBI is
amazing. I can't believe how little publicity this guy's getting
considering the fact this is his first full year. Of course, John Kruk and
Darren Daulton had the spotlight, but still. He's in a class all by
himself, though below Pendleton and Sheffield.

Also had Jeff Bagwell (mediocre year for him. he was in two long stretches
of slumps. but still .273 thus far, and approaching 20 HR, 100 RBI) and
Eric Karros (but I eventually traded him for Jeff Blauser and Sid Bream. I
was completely sans middle infielder at the time) who many know already the
impact he is having. Not bad for a cornerman triple!

Reggie Sanders was a curious player. I agree that he has the potential to
be better than Eric Davis but some things bothered me about him. He is an
exciting player to watch. However, during his homerun string (he clobbered
about 7 homeruns in a tight number of games), most of the homeruns were
with no one on, and I believe they weren't in crucial situations. He also
struck out quite a bit. He needs more discipline and development.

Serious DUDS! Paul O'Neill. Acck! Sure, I hear he can't hit lefties, but
still, he never was THIS bad. 

Bret Saberhagen. Right after I picked him someone told me, are you sure
about that? You just picked the man with the evenyearitis! Sure enough, he
gets the mysterious finger injury. 

Trevor Wilson. I saw this guy pitch three games. He looked AWFUL! His
pitches were flying high and so were the hits, usually out of the stadium.
Control was weak (never a strong point).


--
Eugene "Mos Eisley" Ahn     ahn@suncis.cis.yale.edu
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"No sir. I don't like it."
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From: dadler@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (David Adler)
Subject: any exciting roto races out there?
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 16:00:13 GMT


Well, since the major leagues are not providing us with any pennant
race excitiment (well, some there are still SOME races), are there
any roto leagues out there with races going down to the wire?

   Our AL-only league is in it's seventh year, and this is the
tightest race yet. I'm in second place, three points out of
first as of last week. I've passed the guy ahead of me
in saves, and I've also gained points in ERA and ratio this
week, so I believe I will be in first place come next week....
The guy in third place is also charging, so it should be tight
right up to the end.

  My keys have been my starting pitching over the last month
(Navarro, Bosio, Eldred, Key, and the injured Appier), picking
up ROberto Hernandez just before he started getting saves, and
trading Brian Harper (I'm first in average and RBI) for Chad
Curtis (who's gotten me fourteen steals and three points in that
category over the past month).

   So any other people in dogfights out there?

Dave


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From: franjion@spot.Colorado.EDU (John Franjione)
Subject: Re: any exciting roto races out there?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:31:37 GMT

gindin@gindinraleigh.ibm.com (Jim Gindin) writes:

>The interesting thing about the first-place team is that it has been
>in first since week 1. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has
>heard of another team in first through all 26 reports.

In my 10-team 8-category AL league, I have been in first place every
week but the first one.  My lead over 2nd place was once as high as 20
points.  My max points were 76 (out of 80), and one week I was in
first place in 7 of the 8 categories.

I'm sweating now, though.  I currently have a lead of 2 points, 70 to
68, over the fast rising second place team.  His rise is due to having
almost every "hot" pitcher in the league: Mussina, Eldred, Nagy, Key.
Add to that Montgomery, Farr and Fetters, with Valera and Rhodes
closing out his staff.  He's climbed quite a few spots in pitching
over the last couple months.  And gained 3 points in steals in the
last month, due to Chad Curtis, the running fool, along with Devon
White and Roberto Alomar.

In fact, I'd be in second NOW if I hadn't picked up Darren Holmes and
Matt Whiteside a couple of weeks ago.

Five days to go... I wish it were over.

John Franjione
Mgr: "Boulder Hurlers" in BiCoastal Baseball
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From: dmiller@dg.UUCP (David Miller)
Subject: Re: any exciting roto races out there?
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 13:04:24 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Data General Corporation, Research Triangle Park, NC

Currently our NL-only Rot. League has a heated 3 way battle at the top.
(Only 2.5 - 3 pts separating them, but they all get money anyway...)

As for me, I fell to 8th (out of 9) shortly after the All-star break (after
peaking at fourth place about 3 wks earlier) and have given up hope for the
rest of the season.  

I'm just glad I picked up some good people in trades with the contending teams.
(Eric Karros, Todd Hundley, Brian Jordan, Mitch Williams, and a few others.)

Well, hope they all come together for next year.
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From: goguen@free.enet.dec.com (Don Goguen)
Subject: Re: any exciting roto races out there?
Reply-To: goguen@free.enet.dec.com (Don Goguen)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 19:38:57 GMT


You want an exciting race?

In our 10-team AL rotisserie league, the first place team has 59.5 points.
Two teams are tied for 2nd at 59.0.  I'm in fourth with 58.0 points.

One of the closest I've seen in my 8 years of fantasizing....  :-)

I'm involved in close finishes in the other two leagues in which I
participate.  In an 8-team NL league, I'm in first with 49.5 points,
2.5 ahead of the nearest competitor.  In a 20-team mixed league, I'm
in a tie for 2nd at 130 points, 3 behind the leader.  Looks like anything
from zero to three titles this year for me.....

-- dg
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From: smm@sei.cmu.edu (Stephen Masters)
Subject: Re: Braves-Pirates Pitching Rotation (Does Anyone Know It?)
Organization: Software Engineering Institute
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:31:59 GMT

In article <6760@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) writes:
>In article <IenFmcy00WB5BXOGIf@andrew.cmu.edu| al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit Likhyani) writes:
>
>|There is still no ruling on Zane Smith.  I hope they put him on the
>|roster and get rid of Danny Cox.  We shall see.
>
Zane Smith was on the DL when the playoff rosters were set and I believe is
elgible for post season play.  Zane looked good in his last start and I also
hope that Leyland puts him on the playoff roster.
>
>The pitcher they will get rid of is Cooke  (he IS eligible for post-season,
>but will sit this one out). 
>
Cooke was sent done to Buffalo and Carlos Garcia was brought up on Aug. 30 or
31 when the playoff rosters were set.  Leyland is planning on going with 10
pitchers and 15 position players for the playoffs.

The 11 pitchers who are elgible for the playoffs are Drabek, Jackson,
Wakefield, Smith, Tomlin, Walk, Belinda, Patterson, Mason, Neagle, and Cox.


Steve Masters
smm@sei.cmu.edu
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From: rfd2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Ryan Dickey)
Subject: Statis Pro Baseball
Followup-To: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Organization: BGSU
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:34:04 GMT

How many people out there play Statis Pro Rotisserie Baseball.
My friends and I have played for six years and wondered if we 
are weird.  We drafted players six years ago and now make trades
and lose free agents.  Does anybody else have a cool league out there?
--Ryan--
From: cabanc@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Roti HEEEEELP!!
Date: 5 Oct 92 01:47:38 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

October 4, 1992
 
Roy F. Cabaniss
Western Kentucky University
Department of Marketing
Bowling Green, Ky. 42101
 
Dear fellow Rotisserie baseball fans.
 
I just got through my first year of Roti.  I was playing with
STATS Inc. in the Bill James Fantasy League.  While I truly loved
playing fantasy baseball the league I was in was horrible.  In
the entire year there was only ONE trade.  Not what I would
expect.  Since no one did any dealing it was hard to improve. 
 
Good points, I loved their system.  Despite the fact that they
play in a mixed league (both AL and NL players) it was probably
more accurate than any of the "normal" fantasy rules.  If you are
thinking of playing the Bill James Fantasy Baseball then I would
STRONGLY advise coming in with a full league so you don't get
stuck with a bunch of no trading dweebs.
 
I will certainly play fantasy baseball next year (assuming there
is a season.)  Hopefully I can get a league going here locally
(relatively speaking of course).
 
How did I do and gripes.
Real Simple, Dead Last in my division (six teams and 3'd from
last overall.
My team looked as follows:
catcher   Rodriguez
1B        McGwire & Bagwell (I'll take credit for this one, I
thought that McGwire would have a season like this.)
2B        Rene Gonzales 
SS        Stankewitz
3B        Ventura & Dean Palmer
LF        Brady Anderson
CF        Brett Butler
RF        Justice (yes, he of the sub-200 batting first half)
Pitching Starters
Melido Perez   (I love strikeouts and he delivers them)
Nolan Ryan     (I hereby hate all Texas relievers who blow leads)
Castillo       (I'm not that fond of non hitting Cubs either)
Jimmey Key     (ok so he got hot late, he hurt me early)
Kevin Gross    (How many errors can a Dodger team commit?  As
     many as it takes to lose a game.  And Gross was in my minors
     when he got the no hitter.)
Sutcliff (dropped from roster)
Blyleven (ditto)
Pitching Relievers
John Franco
Kent Mercker
Steve Olin (Him I like)
 
My pitching was my downfall.  My hitting was up there (though not
the best in the league).  I was dead last in pitching by a large
margin.
 
Any suggestions?  Other than get a new league, which I plan on
doing.
 
I hope your teams do well in the Playoffs.  Me, I'm rooting for
Oakland (primarily cause of McGwire).  But it won't break my
heart to see Atlanta win.
 
Roy F. Cabaniss
From: jl6p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Josh S Linder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: Pro League.
Date: 5 Oct 92 23:03:06 GMT
Organization: Freshman, CIT general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I personally recommend Hardball III for playability (along with the
MLBPA stats disk and ballparks disk, it looks real nice - even has
photos of the real major leaguers with the MLBPA disk), Hardball II Earl
II for stats (so I guess you're half there on stats), and Microleague 4
if you have money to throw out the window.  Baseball Weekly did a piece
on the baseball games, and said that Earl II was the most accurate (it
came up with the actual finishers using last year's stats), and even
picked the correct World Series winner.  Earl II is the only one that
basically allows you to customize everything. 
-- about the bugs, call Electronic Arts up and ask for a bugfix; I
personally know that there are 10 bug fix versions for virtually every
game on the market
From: lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1992 17:56:05 GMT
Subject: Charlton?
Organization: OCD IC MFG
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy

Attention Reds fans:

Will Norm Charlton get any more saves this year?

Thanks for any feedback.  I know it's late in the season, but even one
save in the last 5 days of the season can make a difference!

Howard Lynch
aka Lynch MOB, Silicon Gulch Rotisserie League since 1984
From: jle@world.std.com (Joe M Leonard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Looking for RH/LH stat breakdown
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:49:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: world.BvI9Io.4A
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA

Does anybody know where I can find breakdowns of 2B/3B/HR and BB
for hitters and pitchers vs. RH and LH?  I know USA Today has
BA each way, but I need to know how the extra-base hits and walks
fall to know whether I can use some folks next year...

I'll take whatever you have - except perhaps (900) numbers...

Joe Leonard
jle@world.std.com

P.S. Slg each way would be a bit help...
From: hankwong@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Y. Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball.fantasy
Subject: Re: any exciting roto races out there?
Date: 30 Sep 1992 18:06:12 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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Here are the standing for our league:

Delhi Diseased Dogs 		20 points
Renegade Legion			18		(my team)
Norman Kings			16
Hackensack Cal Bandits	        10
Santo Domingo Roosevelt's Rippers 8

I trail the first place team in RBIs by 2, and hopefully pass him this week.
If so, we will be tied for first, which is cool, as I have been chasing
him basically all year (I have held first a week here and there, but it's
the end of course that counts.)  Then, if I pass the Bandits in saves
(I trail by five and have 5 closers to his 4 though his get more save oppts
than me) OR if I pass them in ERA (the Legion has prided itself in being
always last in ERA) or The Rippers in wins (tough though since he's got
GMaddux, Mussina, Morris while I have a tired Glavine/Smoltz/McDowell), then
I will take first outright.  Hope I can pull it out.


Good luck to y'all,

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Date: Sat,  3 Oct 1992 00:08:08 -0400 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Braves-Pirates Pitching Rotation (Does Anyone Know It?)

According to Jim Leyland:

Game 1 - Drabek
Game 2 - Jackson
Game 3 - Wakefield
repeat

They switched Jackson and Wakefield because of the 3:05 starting time of
game 2 in Atlanta.  Leyland thinks it may be harder for the catcher to
pick up a knuckleball in the day time with the glare and people sitting
in the centerfield stands.   Plus, Wakefield has pitched well at home.

He went with Jackson over Tomlin because Jackson has been a good post
season pitcher.

Personally, I think Tomlin pitched pretty well last year in game 4 if my
memory serves me right.  I kind of question using a guy who has been
with the team 1/2 a season and has pitched only OK as your number 2
starter over a guy who won 14(or is it 15) games for the year.  Jackson
has been hammered by the Braves this year(I think).  Finally, I think
Jackson can be more effective than Tomlin coming out of the bullpen to
face a couple batters.  He can bring the 95 MPH gas and devastate left
handers.

I am not ripping Leyland or even second guessing him on this move, but I
am a little curious.  Jackson pitched well in his last start and Tomlin
did not.

There is still no ruling on Zane Smith.  I hope they put him on the
roster and get rid of Danny Cox.  We shall see.

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From: peltz-russell@CS.YALE.EDU (Russell Peltz)
Subject: AL Pitchers
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 22:06:43 GMT

I joined an American League roto league this year and my team wasn't very good.
However, I made some moves and I think I have pretty good pitching now.  I'd
appreciate any advice about what you think I should (or shouldn't) do.

Here is my pitching squad, with their salaries:

Melido Perez     $ 7
Arthur Rhodes      1
Cal Eldred         1
Alex Fernandez     7
Hipolito Pichardo  1
Mark Gubicza      10
Julio Valera       1
Storm Davis        1
Todd Frohwirth    11

Some notes:  The only pitchers here that I started the season with are Davis
and Gubicza.  I acquired Perez in mid-season in a basically straight-up
trade for Henry Cotto.  I got Frohwirth as a throw-in in another deal.  The
rest of the pitchers I picked up as free agents.

I plan to keep Perez, Rhodes, Eldred, Valera, and Pichardo.  I am still
undecided about Fernandez.  I don't know if he's worth $7.

Assuming I keep Fernandez, this leaves three spots open.  I am planning on
filling one spot with a closer (Olson or Montgomery) and one spot with a good
starter (such as Smiley, Tapani, or Jim Abbott).  I plan to fill the last
spot as cheaply as I can to save money for hitters.  I should be able to get
a decent $1 pitcher.

How does this plan sound?  Any advice/comments?  Also, what do you think of
Pichardo?  I like Rhodes, Eldred, and Valera, but I'm not sure if Pichardo is
going to get any better.

Thanks,
Rusty
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From: gt0924a@prism.gatech.EDU (Delgado,Mark March (Metallica, TheDeathAngel))
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Glavine
Keywords: Tidbits
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:27:30 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

an interesting tidbit that no one seems to have
said anything about:

Glavine was playing hurt!

oh, not just bruised ribs, but a broken one.

Glavine and Cox and the Trainer knew about the
injury, but decided to keep it secret to prevent
batters from trying to do stuff like bunts and
pitchers throwing inside pitches to Glavine.

it was in Yesterday's Atlanta Journal.

I'm kinda suprised that no one had posted anything
yet...

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From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Why *is* OBP more valuable than SLG?
Date: 28 Sep 92 00:06:42 GMT
Organization: Blauser!

In <Sep.27.17.18.05.1992.19243@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky) writes:

>can anyone explain WHY (with reasoning, or whatever) why OBP is
> considered more valuable than SLG?  

Sure!  Its mainly because the overwhelming majority of teams will benefit
more from a 5 point increase in on-base percentage than a 5 point increase
in slugging percentage.  I think its less "OBP is more valuable
than SLG" and more "an extra point of OBP is more valuable than an extra
point of slugging 99% of the time."

This is true, I think, because OBP is a scarcer resource than SLG in baseball.
I would guess that in some little league baseball the opposite may be
true because a lot of kids can hit singles (no one can field) and
there are a lot of walks (the pitchers haven't developed good control)
but no one has gotten big enough to have a lot of power yet.



Greg 
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