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From: dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com (DWT)
Subject: Re: Filter: forwardc saving in other than system mbox?
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:03:11 GMT
Organization: Contributor Account at ddsw1, Chicago, Illinois  60657

johny@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (John Yeates) wrote in
<17315.9211061635@tsunb.ctn.cogs.susx.ac.uk>:

| Is it possible to persuade forwardc to save somewhere other than the system
| mailbox?

That's where forwardc and savecopy are supposed to put the extra copy.

| The filter command looks like this:
| 
| if (from contains "ug") then
|   forwardc tsunb!stephcl
| 
| and was this before forwardc was available:
| 
| if (from contains "ug") then
|   forward tsunb!stephcl,tsunb!johny
| 
| In the first case, my copy goes to /usr/spool/mail/johny instead of =main,
| which is where all mail is sent by default. In the second case, I get my
| copy in =main, but the headers are changed, so it appears to be From me,
| with a changed Subject.

That's what the forward command is supposed to do (and even in the first
case, that's what stephcl receives).

| Is there a way of specifying a mailbox for forwardc to save in, or (better
| yet) are there plans to implement a "bounce" action, working like the
| bounce command in elm does? [Sanity permitting, I may have a go at this
| myself, if I get the time]

If you're not among the recipients you can bounce a letter like this:

if condition then execute "rmail recipients"

but you won't get a copy for yourself.

You can include yourself in the list as "real-yourself" but then it will
go to your system mailbox.  If you just put your own logname there, you'll
cause a filter loop.

You can tell filter to execute a script or a program that will send the
letter off to your friend(s) but also store a copy in your selected folder;
if locking is not important, you can just append it to the folder; otherwise
it can massage the headers so that filter can tell it apart from the original
and then mail it to everyone involved, including you, or mail it to everyone
else and also refeed it to filter.

Now that -f is standard in filter, you can also execute a script or a program
that uses its stdin twice like this: rmail (or otherwise bounce) it to
everyone else and feed it to filter -f some_other_rule_file.  That way you
can avoid a loop without needing to alter headers.

It's much easier to accomplish with procmail or deliver.  Both allow multiple
actions on a single letter.

David W. Tamkin   Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@ddsw1.mcs.com    CompuServe: 73720,1570    MCI Mail: 426-1818
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: k2@bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de (Klaus Steinberger)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: elm 2.4: forward of MIME message makes it non-MIME
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:09:45 GMT
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)

fillmore@emr1.emr.ca (Bob Fillmore 992-2832) writes:

>There appears to be a bug in the elm 2.4 support for MIME.
>If you forward a MIME message the forwarded copy is not recognized
>as being MIME (bouncing a MIME message does work).

Yes, that's true, and its because its not yet programmed.
Forwarding should include the message as a message part, but
this needs some provisions, which are not yet made. At least
there must be a unique boundary created, which is not
yet the case. elm now uses a fixed boundary.

Sincerely,
Klaus Steinberger

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: elm wish list
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:50:42 GMT

In article <syscrc.721158601@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> syscrc@pickle.gsu.edu (Randy Carpenter) writes:

[Re: having ELM generate From: to match the TO: alias]

>Wouldn't this suggested feature allow allow an e-mail security hole?  For
>example, a bad guy could type in a fake letter complete with headers from
>another person (i.e. a fake "To:" line).  Let's say he uses "To: root".
>Then, store it in a folder, reply to it and Elm would put "From: root" in
>the headers?


Remember that ELM is just the "user agent" for mail and thus can't be
responsible for managing the security of your header lines.  You can
just as easily type the headers and body into the editor of your choice
and feed them directly to the transport program: mail, sendmail or
whatever your site uses.  Some versions of the transport programs check
that the From: line matches the sender, some don't.  Most of the
ones that do check just add a Sender: line noting the real user name
and they can generally be fooled if you work at it.

Still, I don't see this as a good idea unless it is controlled by a
file containing a list of aliases that you receive under and the
headers you would like forced when you reply to them.  For example
if I received mail as part of a "support" group I'd still want the
From: to indicate my name, but I'd want a "Reply-To: support" line
inserted.  On the other hand, messages aliased to a mailing list
probably shouldn't be changed at all - you certainly don't want those
to be modified so that your reply appears to have come from the
list address!

Personally, I'd like to have the choice of including the header lines
in the edit buffer (like rn's 'R' command gives you) even if this
turns off the ability to use ELM's header editor.  People using rn
or trn for news would already be used to the concept.

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us
From: janw@fwi.uva.nl (Jan Wortelboer)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: pager for small mail
Keywords: 2.4 less
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:50:04 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

phil@wubios.wustl.edu (J. Philip Miller) writes:

>I just wanted to indicate my support for adding a configuration option for 2.4
>with respect to the new behavior of using the built in pager for "short"
>messages.

>We configure elm to use less as the pager, and have many users whose only use
>of the system is for mail.  For them to become sophisticated to notice that
>depending on the bottom line on their display they either have to type q or i
>depending on what they see will be a major challenge.

>Personally I receive 300-400 messages a day and therfore have devised rather
>efficient mail reading habits.  One of these involve a well worn neural path
>that poises my fingers over the q, n, d and  spacebar keys.  To have to
>substitute i for q depending on the message length would certainly both slow
>me down and create more miskeys.

>Seems to me this would be an easy patch, and it would be very useful for many
>users.
How about this:

*** showmsg.c.dist	Sat Oct  3 23:59:17 1992
--- showmsg.c	Wed Oct 28 10:59:55 1992
***************
*** 157,165 ****
  	if(current_header->encrypted)
  	  getkey(OFF);
  
  	if(builtin=(first_word(pager,"builtin")||
  	   first_word(pager,"internal"))||
! 	   lines < LINES - 3)
  
  	  start_builtin(lines);
  
--- 169,179 ----
  	if(current_header->encrypted)
  	  getkey(OFF);
  
+ /* If PromptAfter = OFF and Pager = External
+    you probably don't wan't builtin, with the I to Return to Index */
  	if(builtin=(first_word(pager,"builtin")||
  	   first_word(pager,"internal"))||
! 	   ( prompt_after_pager && lines < LINES - 3))
  
  	  start_builtin(lines);
  
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                 Computer Science Department  Email: janw@fwi.uva.nl
Unix             Kruislaan 403 Kamer F003     Phone: +31 20 525 7501
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: cbarkley@.engr.trinity.edu (Chris Barkley)
Subject: Re: How to reply to encryped mesg?
Keywords: elm
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 22:40:03 GMT

I am not sure how to coerce elm into encrypting a message.  When I compiled
it, it said that it found crypt(), and an elm -v says that the crypt
function is enabled, but I do not know of an option for actually encrypting
something.  How can I do this?

-- 
Christopher Barkley
The DarkMage
cbarkley@tusol.cs.trinity.edu
Reality is a State of Mind
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: cbarkley@alex (The DarkMage)
Subject: Re: elm wish list
Keywords: headers
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:43:05 GMT

I do not agree with the complaint about the header editor; I think it is
a useful and well done feature.  My complaint is that I would like to see
the elmheaders file read in when you "finish" a letter and go to the send
prompt.  Then, they would be filled into the header editor fields where
they could be overridden, altered, SEEN, etc.  I recall that this has come
up before, and it was reported that doing this would weaken some other
feature, but I think it would definitely be a useful one.


-- 
Christopher Barkley
The DarkMage
cbarkley@tusol.cs.trinity.edu
Reality is a State of Mind
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: ellis@rtsg.mot.com (John T Ellis)
Subject: awk filter for .mailrc -> aliases.text
Followup-To: ellis@rtsg.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:06:39 GMT

We are in need of the awk script that converts the Berkley
Mail(tm) .mailrc file to an elm aliases.text file.  Could
someone kindly forward it to me?

Thanks and excuse the bandwidth interuption.

John
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: config question: /etc/passwd and system alias checking
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 01:03:00 GMT

shapiro@kgnaix11.aix.kingston.ibm.com (David Shapiro) writes:
>What is the configuration magic needed to make elm 
>check the /etc/passwd and/or a system alias file 
>for existance of the signon and/or alias?
>I had this working at one time (elm 2.3) but its
>not working now (elm 2.4)?
This feature, that only used to check the /etc/passwd
file, for existance of a name, has been removed from Elm.
It never did check the alias files (other than elm's own)
and was easily confused by system wide aliases.  It was
removed along with the routing code.
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Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
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From: phil@wubios.wustl.edu (J. Philip Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: pager for small mail
Keywords: 2.4 less
Date: 7 Nov 92 15:42:48 GMT
Organization: Division of Biostatistics, WUMS, St. Louis, MO

In article <BxBFu7.2FB@chinet.chi.il.us> les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
in response to an article I posted,

>In article <1992Nov5.012957.13923@wubios.wustl.edu> phil@wubios.wustl.edu (J. Philip Miller) writes:
>
>An even easier patch might be to make the builtin pager prompt for q to
>return to the index.

well this helps for the very specific "quick fix" but less does much more,
which is why we use it in the first place!  For example we display a
customized "help line" at the end, users use 'r' to redraw the screen when it
has been "messed up" with new mail, the file can be "logged", a shell may be
involked......By the time that you start adding all of these (and other)
features you do not have an easy fix.

-phil
-- 
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	 Washington University Medical School, St. Louis MO 63110
     phil@wubios.WUstl.edu - Internet  (314) 362-3617 [362-2694(FAX)]
From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Elm patches up to PL8 in UK
Date: 13 Nov 92 14:46:29 GMT
X-Phone: +44 703 593257

I've put all patches up to PL8 into pub/elm at ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.64.201)
In that directory are:

-rw-r--r--  1 tjc         62330 Oct 18 15:41 elm2.4.p1
-rw-r--r--  1 tjc         74428 Oct 18 15:41 elm2.4.p2
-rw-r--r--  1 tjc        124259 Oct 26 17:28 elm2.4.p3
-rw-r--r--  1 tjc         67944 Nov 13 14:38 elm2.4.p4
-rw-r--r--  1 tjc         70762 Nov 13 14:39 elm2.4.p5
-rw-r--r--  1 tjc         46321 Nov 13 14:39 elm2.4.p6
-rw-r--r--  1 tjc         50038 Nov 13 14:40 elm2.4.p7
-rw-r--r--  1 tjc         55524 Nov 13 14:43 elm2.4.p8
-rw-r--r--  1 tjc        722025 Oct  7 10:17 elm2.4.tar.Z

I'll knock up an elm2.4.8.tar.Z file soon.

NIFTP users can fetch from uk.ac.soton.ecs:/pub/elm with user ID 'guest'
and password of their full mail address.

Tim
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: thomas@serum.clpd.Kodak.Com (bulli@kodak.com)
Subject: Re: ELM in french  WANTED !!!!!!!!
Reply-To: bulli@kodak.com
Organization: Eastman Kodak Company - Clinical Products Division
Distribution: clpd
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:43:44 GMT

In article <rouyn.720972569@tdsb-s>, rouyn@mais.hydro.qc.ca (Usagers Rouyn) writes:
|> i Need ELm  with french messages
|> or another  french mailer.
|> SOmebody can help me ?
|> 
|> Thank you :)
|> 
|> Guy Gagnon
|> Hydro-Quebec
|> 
|> ggagnon@rouyn-ogc.hydro.qc.ca

Pourquois?
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.sources.bugs
From: briank@ars2.uucp (D. Brian Kimmel)
Subject: Re: elm wish list
Organization: Automated Retail Systems, Seattle, Wa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:47:14 GMT

In <1992Nov5.023642.5435@DSI.COM> syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes:

>apardon@rc1.vub.ac.be (Antoon Pardon) writes:
>>1) I am a member of the supportteam at our site. That means I
>>   get mail that is addressed to support as well as my own. What
>>   I would like to do is say to elm that when I answer a mail to
>>   support, The From field should contains the support address 
>>   and a Sender field should be added with my personal address.
>>   An alternative would be to automatically add a Reply-To field
>>   with the support address when answering support mail.
>>   The second alternative is possible by hand, but I prefer the 
>>   first solution and certainly an automated one.

Excellent Idea!

>Neither of your items is planned, nor would I ever expect Elm
>to handle those.  Its too complicated and special cased.

I think that this feature would be a valuable addition to elm.
A *reply* to mail aliased into your mailbox could build the
From: line from the received To: line  and build a Sender: line
as the current From: line is being constructed.  This would
only occur if the users LOGNAME is not part of the To: field.
Also There could be another flag in the elmrc to allow this
optional behavior.

This seems Not All That Hard to do but I am not familiar with the
internals of elm.  Anyone care to comment or even better, implement
this and send the diffs to Syd for inclusion into a patch?

Brian
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From: DCannon@cen.ex.ac.uk (D.Cannon)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Elm and PCs
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:29:01 GMT
Organization: University of Exeter, UK.

solitary@vpnet.chi.il.us  writes:
> Simple couple of questions.
>
> 1) Is there a version of Elm for the IBM PC?
>
Yes, we've just (yesterday) started playing with one.  We've got a few
problems with it, but we think the problems are ours rather than with PC-ELM.
Attached is the original advertisement.   Dave Cannon.

> If yes, where?

Hi all,
        ELM for IBM-PC's is now available by anon-ftp from
lister.cc.ic.ac.uk (129.31.80.167) in /pub/elm-pc

The files in that directory are
        README          Some basic info
        ELMPC.ZIP       A zip file of the product
        PKUNZIP.EXE     Un Zip utility also available 'off the net'.

        PCNFSRUN.ZIP    For people who dont have PCNFS ver 4 yet.

This is a port of ELM to msdos and uses PCNFS to supply the networking.
ELMPC uses POP3 protocol to fetch mail from a mail server. POP3 on the
mail server is done by popper (also available of the net). When ELMPC
sends mail it uses SMTP to the mail server.

Feel free to send me your comments about the program.

Peter Churchyard.
From: melin@hlrz24.hlrz.kfa-juelich.de (Stephan Melin)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Problems with sendmail called from ELM
Keywords: sendmail, nethang, connection timed out
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:53:23 GMT
Followup-To: comp.mail.elm
Organization: HLRZ, Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH (KFA), Germany

Hi,

at our site we have a problem whith ELM sending mail:
when sending mail to certain sites whith ELM the mail 
never gets delivered. The message on the console reads
something like: 
... sendmail, nethang connection timed out
Ok, one might think, it is just a problem with our 
connection, but when sending mail with the "mail" 
program or any other mailer to the same destination
this never happens.
Our system is a SUN-cluster running SUN-OS4.1.

Any help regarding the solution of this problem is
welcome.

Many thanks in advance

Regards
-- 
Stephan Melin

melin@hlrserv.hlrz.kfa-juelich.de   ||    hkf418@djukfa11.bitnet
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: westes@sti.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Any Way To Refresh Mail List Without Leaving elm?
Organization: Mail Group
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:54:26 GMT

Is there a way to refresh the list of items in elm such that items you
have deleted will disappear from the screen?  New items of course appear
on their own, but it's annoying to see dozens of deleted items collect.

-- 
Will Estes		Internet: westes@netcom.com
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: claudius@zeus.calpoly.edu (King_Claudius (Chris Knight))
Subject: Re: Elm and ~/.newmail
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 17:16:16 GMT

Bo.Muldbak@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM says:
>Am I just being stupid, or is this supported through the use of environment
>variable 'MAIL' ???

Only problem is I'm not willing to explain to every user that they have to set
up the MAIL environment variable.  [We have over 6k users, most of whom don't
even know what directories are...let alone environment variables.]
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: "MIME-Version: 1.0" in the headers
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:17:25 GMT

olivier@lise.paris.sgi.com (Olivier David) writes:
>I just upgraded to ELM 2.4 and have a little question :

>Why is there a new header included in all my outgoing mail about the
>Mime-version and how can i get rid of it ? (It is perturbating people that
>receive my mails on different mailers that try to interpret this header)
Because Elm 2.4 generates mail that is MIME complient (when so configured)

If the other mailers intrepret this header correctly, nothing different
should happen, unless you have told Elm that your character set needs
special treatment.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL08
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: mikeg@asylum.tmc.edu (Michael Grabenstein)
Subject: Where to get...
Organization: none
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:59:58 GMT

	Where can one ftp Elm v2.4? I did an archie and 
got back only Elm directories (and elms for pc machines).
Thanks!
Later,
	Mike
	mikeg@asylum.gsfc.nasa.gov
	x 67014
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: derwin@mach2.wlu.ca (Daryl Erwin)
Subject: Re: ELM 2.4PL6 - Big problem! Changing permissions on /usr/mail
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:54:09 GMT

In article <9361@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>Daryl Erwin (derwin@mach2.wlu.ca) wrote:
>: 
>: Our directories in /usr/mail/ (users mail directories) group permissions
>: are being chamed from 'mail' to some other group (their own). This stops
>: 
>: It is not an everytime occurance - it is only sparatic and I have yet
>: been able to determine when it happens.
>
>I may have just reproduced this problem.  I was reading some mail and 
>accidentally hit 'e' and went into edit on the incoming mail.  I did
>a ':q!' to get out of that and got a message about a problem resetting
>permissions.  When I checked the group id for my mail spool had changed to
>'system'.  This breaks the mail daemon when it trys to write new mail.

Exactly!

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: mduerst@ifi.unizh.ch (Martin J. Duerst)
Subject: Pager not used for short mails!
Keywords: pager, Japanese
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 10:50:44 GMT


I am using elm (version 2.4 PL2) for Japanese mail. Until a recent upgrade,
this worked quite well when running elm in a kterm (Japanese version of
xterm) terminal emulator and using the standard "more" command instead of
the builtin elm pager. With the upgrade, the treatement of paging seems
to have changed: Now I can see everything correctly for long mails, but
get garbled text for short mails. Obviously, elm thinks that for short
mails (smaller than a screen/page), a pager isn't necessary. I get the
correct text when I make my kterm window so small that the mail doesn't
fit in anymore.

This was obviously thought as a feature (more efficiency?!), but for me
it results in a bug. Is there a workaroud for this problem, a switch in
the elmrc file or a #define for the source code?

Many thanks in advance for your kind help.

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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: shuky@mot.com (Joshua Beinhorn)
Subject: SAVENAME parameter on ELM 2.4 PL6
Reply-To: shuky@mcil.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Communications Israel Ltd., Tel Aviv
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 11:56:35 GMT

I have on my .elmrc the parameter SAVENAME=OFF, because
I do not save by name. ELM 2.4 PL6 ignores this parameter
and suggests the user name as the folder name on save 
operations. 

In the old ELM version it did not suggest anything.

Rigth, this is not a big problem, just a little inconvenience.
However, I liked it as it was till now. This made it easy to 
regret the operation. 

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