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From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Kay Shapero)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Confurence 4?
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:12:26 GMT

On <Oct 13 00:49>, jf2z+@andrew.cmu.edu wrote to All:

 U>Could someone send me the info on Conference 4?
 U>Where it is, registration, the whole nine yards?

 U>Thanks!

 U>.
 U>-john
 U>"Kiss me, I'm Irish"
 U>"Eat me, I'm Danish"
 U>jf2z+@andrew.cmu.edu

Here ya go!

ConFURence 4                                     January 22, 23, 24 1993

Red Lion Hotel                      Full Membership:  $20
3050 Bristol St.                                      $25 after 12/1/92
Costa Mesa, CA 92626                                  $30 after 1/15/93
(714) 540-7000                                        $17 former members
$65.00/night, 1 or 2 persons                              until 1/1/93
$75.00/night, 3 or 4 persons        Supporting membership:      $10

    If you have been a ConFurence Member before, Attending Membership       

is only $17.00! Please include your membership number, and
               which previous ConFurence you attended.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
ConFurence Order Form


________________________________________________________________________
    Name                  AKA                    Phone Number (optional)


________________________________________________________________________
    Address            Street                            Apt/Unit


________________________________________________________________________
    City                   State       Postal code          Country


MEMBERSHIP (for renewal, include membership number) ____________________
   One membership per Order Form, please.       Membership Number
                                                    $17.00      ________

   ATTENDING (three days)                           $20.00      ________

   SUPPORTING                                       $10.00      ________

   (includes In-Fur-Nation newsletter, may be converted at all time)

Promotional Materials: _____ CF 1992 T-Shirs        $15.00 ea   ________

                       _____ CF3 Collection Book    $ 5.00 ea   ________

                       _____ Touch Magazine #2      $ 7.00 ea   ________

                       _____ Omaha's Dance Tape     $17.00 ea   ________

                       _____ "Fandboy" ribbons      $1.00 for 2 ________


TOTAL: Check or Money Order, made out to CONFURENCE. Thank You! ________

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
The only place the ConFURence address is given is in the return address. 
For the record, it is:

        ConFURence
        PO Box 1958
        Garden Grove, CA
        92642-1958

 
 
 
 
 
 


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From: mauser@INTERCON.COM (Richard Chandler)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: The 'humanity' of furries
Date: 17 Oct 92 03:52:11 GMT

> I think the same could be said for a lot of 'furry' material.  Take away
> their accessories and most of them look the same, too.  And 'furry' stories
> are often the same trite, uninteresting melodramas one finds in a lot
> of mainstream comics (worse, in many cases).  Any decent writer/artist
> should be able to tell a story with an entire cast of, say, foxes, and have
> each character clearly differentiated from the other.  That this is not
> often the case says something about the quality of most 'furry' material.

Ow, GOOD SHOT Tim.  I think part of the problem is that a lot of furry 
artists learn one way to draw furries and stick to it.  Even the luminaries 
in the field, like Ken Sample have only one style.  Can you picture him doing 
a cartoon style?  The only person I've seen attempt multiple styles so far 
has been Joe Rosales who went from very realistic to straight cartoon with a 
stop or two in between in the last Gallery.  Well, no, Taral Wayne works in a 
number of different styles too.  I think the best artists are the ones who 
draw furries by choice, rather than because they can't manage humans.

On the other hand, look at Stan Sakai.  He has found one style that works, 
but he also makes the characters individuals, who don't look the same even if 
they're the same species.  Sometimes the species in important, as in the 
Neko, Mole and Bat ninjas, and other times it's not important, like Usagi's 
relationship with Tomoe.

Hmmm, I think I'm blurring the distinction between the writing and the art 
here.  Is that distinction important in this discussion?


From: Kay.Shapero@f524.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Kay Shapero)
Sender: NewsMeisterII@mcws.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Confurence 4?
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 11:12:26 -0800

On <Oct 13 00:49>, jf2z+@andrew.cmu.edu wrote to All:

 U>Could someone send me the info on Conference 4?
 U>Where it is, registration, the whole nine yards?

 U>Thanks!

 U>.
 U>-john
 U>"Kiss me, I'm Irish"
 U>"Eat me, I'm Danish"
 U>jf2z+@andrew.cmu.edu

Here ya go!

ConFURence 4                                     January 22, 23, 24 1993

Red Lion Hotel                      Full Membership:  $20
3050 Bristol St.                                      $25 after 12/1/92
Costa Mesa, CA 92626                                  $30 after 1/15/93
(714) 540-7000                                        $17 former members
$65.00/night, 1 or 2 persons                              until 1/1/93
$75.00/night, 3 or 4 persons        Supporting membership:      $10

    If you have been a ConFurence Member before, Attending Membership       

is only $17.00! Please include your membership number, and
               which previous ConFurence you attended.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
ConFurence Order Form


________________________________________________________________________
    Name                  AKA                    Phone Number (optional)


________________________________________________________________________
    Address            Street                            Apt/Unit


________________________________________________________________________
    City                   State       Postal code          Country


MEMBERSHIP (for renewal, include membership number) ____________________
   One membership per Order Form, please.       Membership Number
                                                    $17.00      ________

   ATTENDING (three days)                           $20.00      ________

   SUPPORTING                                       $10.00      ________

   (includes In-Fur-Nation newsletter, may be converted at all time)

Promotional Materials: _____ CF 1992 T-Shirs        $15.00 ea   ________

                       _____ CF3 Collection Book    $ 5.00 ea   ________

                       _____ Touch Magazine #2      $ 7.00 ea   ________

                       _____ Omaha's Dance Tape     $17.00 ea   ________

                       _____ "Fandboy" ribbons      $1.00 for 2 ________


TOTAL: Check or Money Order, made out to CONFURENCE. Thank You! ________

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
The only place the ConFURence address is given is in the return address. 
For the record, it is:

        ConFURence
        PO Box 1958
        Garden Grove, CA
        92642-1958

 
 
 
 
 
 


 * Origin: StormGate Aerie: FurNet's First System! (1:102/524)

Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: fuzzy@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: The 'humanity' of furries
Organization: Foxes 'R' Us - Seven locations to serve you
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 08:05:04 GMT

hepfox@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Peyton) writes:

>The first is to make their
>furry characters completely human in every way except for physical
>appearance (of which Hepcats and Usagi Yojimbo are just two of many
>examples).

When an author does this, I often wonder why the author chose to place
his characters in a furry universe.  Humans would have worked just as
well, and probably might have expanded the readership as well, since not
everyone likes furries.  I used to lump Albedo in this category, because
for the longest time the characters acted just like humans would -- they
just didn't look like humans.  In the later issues, Gallacci has changed
his tone and now the characters occasionally acknowledge that they are
not human.

-- 
#ifdef TRUE         | Fuzzy Fox                  fuzzy@netcom.com
#define  TRUE   0   | a.k.a. David DeSimone      an207@cleveland.freenet.edu
#define  FALSE  1   |   "History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes."
#endif              |                               -- Mark Twain
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: dark@microsoft.com (Dar Korra'ti)
Subject: Re: What is the status of FurryMuck?
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:23:08 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1992Oct10.034429.29467@netcom.com> starcat@netcom.com (Solaris Gato) writes:
>However, a FurryMuck still exists (with a slightly older database) at
>128.100.102.51 8888
     I keep trying to telnet there and getting "Connection refused." Is it
not 24 hour, or has this site gone down too? (Or is the user count limited?
Or something else?)

To Wysperwynde, if you're reading -
     My email address is as above (dark@microsoft.com). Send mail?

                                Wishing my home box was lorbit.org instead
                                of lorbit.UUCP and that I had a T1,
                                                  - R'ykandar.

--
R'ykandar Korra'ti | LOW ORBIT PUBLICATIONS
dark@microsoft.com | Why do people keep taking away the best toys?
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang)
Subject: Re: The 'humanity' of furries
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 03:11:07 GMT

In article <81612@ut-emx.uucp> hepfox@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Peyton) writes:
>  Now it's your turn:  as a fan, which type of story do you prefer,
>or do you have a preference?  Which do you believe is more effective
>in being entertaining?  And how "human" are the furries in your
>favorite stories?

Well,  I like to think of the social differences in a mordern-day furry
world.  In Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew (blatant plug!),
the writer tired to determine how furry life would differ in a furry
world as opposed to our own.  They started with the names of various
cities which were renamed to better suit the animal world in general
(and get alot of groans from pun-haters) like New Yak and Califurnia.
Then they tried to determine other major differences, like what
do the inhabitants of Earth-C eat?  They can't eat "meat" in our sense
since eating one's neighbors tends to upset the community (as Jeffery
Dahmer learned).  So they substituted a vegiterian diet for ALL the 
people of Earth-C.  Other things, like pets and non-senstiant (sp?)
animals, could not be covered due to the cancellation of the series.

August Paul Yang knows he's gonna get flamed for cross-posting to so many
groups but he thinks it's worth it if the Zoo Crew get their comic back.
wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: starcat@netcom.com (Solaris Gato)
Subject: Re: What is the status of FurryMuck?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 03:44:29 GMT

In article <9OCT92.21555334@umbc2.umbc.edu> noel@umbc2.umbc.edu writes:
>	It has been about 24 hours since I last tried to telnet to FurryMuck 
>and every time I get timed out.  What gives?
>	Rumors I heard flying around range from the router at CMU being down to 
>a full-scale administrative edict to remove the game from their system.  If 
>anyone out there knows the TRUTH I would really appreciate it.
>	In the case of the latter, does anyone have a new site for furry?  
>
>Inquiring minds want to know
>
This is not the promised truth, but the best word that I can get right
now is that Furry will NOT return to the CMU site. 
 
However, a FurryMuck still exists (with a slightly older database) at
128.100.102.51 8888    however, it is a temporary site and there are no
promises as to its ability to remain there. It was originally intended
as a testsite version of FurryMuck to debug the code. 
 
However, the word of no return to the CMU site is not from a wizard, so
no guarentees that it is right. If a wiz has better news, or just any news
weither it be to confirm the life or death of Furry-main, please post!
 
-Solaris Gato
sometimes known as Ducas on FurryMuck, sometime not.
From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: PhilCon
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:06:00 GMT
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

TO: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu

We are getting ready for Philcon up here. It got big fast. We will
probably have many of the same people in attendance as last year -
Steve Martin, los brothers Alston, Ed Zolna, and, of course, Vicky
Wyman.

We will also have animator Eric Schwartz (Amy The Squirrel, Aerotoons)
and a couple of surprise guests that I will announce when I have
confirmations from them.

I got a suite this year, so there shouldn't be the crowding problem we
had last year.

Anyone coming from down your way? How about SPEET!?

 * SLMR 2.1a * Money Talks! - Unfortunately, mine only says "Good Bye"!
                                                                                                                     
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: alberti@ux.acs.umn.edu (Timothy Fay)
Subject: Re: The 'humanity' of furries
Originator: alberti@staff.tc.umn.edu
Organization: Revolutionary Anarchist Bowling League
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:26:43 GMT

In <9210150222.AA12953@intercon.com> mauser@INTERCON.COM (Richard Chandler) writes:

>Maybe the creator just happens to like furries?  Perhaps they're more 
>visually interesting? 

Maybe they're just easier to draw.

>...Also, it's easier to differentiate animal characters 
>from one another.  Just look at a Marvel comic and see how exactly the same 
>all the characters are (Minus the accessories, like different costumes and 
>hair color).

I think the same could be said for a lot of 'furry' material.  Take away
their accessories and most of them look the same, too.  And 'furry' stories
are often the same trite, uninteresting melodramas one finds in a lot
of mainstream comics (worse, in many cases).  Any decent writer/artist
should be able to tell a story with an entire cast of, say, foxes, and have
each character clearly differentiated from the other.  That this is not
often the case says something about the quality of most 'furry' material.

-- 
		Reply to:  avatar@pnet51.orb.mn.org
 "Bowl a strike, not a spare; Revolution everywhere!"  -RABL credo
From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: Re: What is the status of FurryMuck?
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:11:00 GMT
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

TO: starcat@netcom.com

In a message to Noel Tominack, Solaris Gato said:

SG>This is not the promised truth, but the best word that I can get right
SG>now is that Furry will NOT return to the CMU site.

SG>However, a FurryMuck still exists (with a slightly older database) at
SG>128.100.102.51 8888    however, it is a temporary site and there are no
SG>promises as to its ability to remain there. It was originally intended
SG>as a testsite version of FurryMuck to debug the code.

SG>However, the word of no return to the CMU site is not from a wizard, so
SG>no guarentees that it is right. If a wiz has better news, or just any news
SG>weither it be to confirm the life or death of Furry-main, please post!

SG>-Solaris Gato
SG>sometimes known as Ducas on FurryMuck, sometime not.

Am I reading this right? They offed FurryMuck?! Why?


 * SLMR 2.1a * Coming Soon: Kimba Meets The Aztec Mummy
From: niall@kavishar.umd.edu (SERVAL)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: FNR
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:23:43 GMT
Reply-To: niall@kavishar.umd.edu
Organization: A Safe Haven For Wolves

Hi all..  Wanted to apologize for the lateness of the second part of my
Furry Northern Reviews.  Been very busy lately, what with doing pieces for
a local con's art show..  I sincerely hope to have it finished within a 
couple of days.
 
Regarding Furry..  if Kendri sees this, could you contact me?  Thanks...
 
--Serval
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu
Subject: What is the status of FurryMuck?
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:55:53 GMT

	It has been about 24 hours since I last tried to telnet to FurryMuck 
and every time I get timed out.  What gives?
	Rumors I heard flying around range from the router at CMU being down to 
a full-scale administrative edict to remove the game from their system.  If 
anyone out there knows the TRUTH I would really appreciate it.
	In the case of the latter, does anyone have a new site for furry?  

Inquiring minds want to know
From: IO10914@MAINE.MAINE.EDU (UG-LUG-ZUG)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: FURRY FANDOM
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:35:55 GMT
Organization: University of Maine System

Everyone talks of fanzines and comics devoted to furries, but living in rural M
aine, I don't have acccess to anything like this.  I am very interested in brow
sing comics/stories and the like, being an avid FurryMuck player.  If you have
any thing of this type that you dare let me borrow- please mail it to me at:
Jason Clark
5758 Oxford Hall
Orono ME 04469-5758

-Spason (the alcoholic puppy)
From: hepfox@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Peyton)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: The 'humanity' of furries
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:34:26 GMT
Reply-To: hepfox@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Peyton)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: hepfox@grumpy.cc.utexas.edu


  It's been a long time since there's been any kind of philosophical
discussion in this newsgroup, hasn't it?

  Well, if you'd like to help me change all that, read on...

  One issue that I never recall having seen discussed around here is
how to deal with the non-humanity of furry characters in terms of
how they behave.  In other words, how "human" should furries be?
Clearly, they have to have at least some human traits in a work of
fiction, because the audience will quickly become bored with any
story about characters that have no human traits at all, if only
because there's no common ground.  So what are the alternatives?

  As far as I can tell, writers (of both comics and text) take one
of two approaches to this problem.  The first is to make their
furry characters completely human in every way except for physical
appearance (of which Hepcats and Usagi Yojimbo are just two of many
examples).  Very often, one of the points of these works is that people
should be judged not by their appearance but by the content of
their character.  (Sometimes this is even the central message of
the story.)

  The other approach is to make the behavior of each character at
least partially a function of the character's species.  Aesop's
fables fall into this category, as does Albedo.  Many of these
stories simply use the animal species as a shorthand (and often
stereotypical) personality definition, such as with noble lions
and big bad wolves.  A few, however, are much more subtle than
that.  But in all cases, the stories work because the characters
are given human problems, and must struggle to solve those
problems -- therefore, they must act at least somewhat human.

  Now it's your turn:  as a fan, which type of story do you prefer,
or do you have a preference?  Which do you believe is more effective
in being entertaining?  And how "human" are the furries in your
favorite stories?

  This is, after all, a *discussion* group -- I'd like to discuss
this issue.


The-one-who-will-SOON-get-a-real-job-and-be-able-to-go-to-
every-con-and-ultimately-become-more-famous-than-Sim,

					^Dave^
					(Dave Peyton)
					hepfox@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

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Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
From: niall@kavishar.umd.edu (SERVAL)
Subject: Fission Chicken
Reply-To: niall@kavishar.umd.edu
Organization: A Safe Haven For Wolves
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:31:34 GMT

 
Okay, to set one score straight, there were FOUR issues to the Fission
Chicken series.   That is different from the Critters solo (39).  They were
"First Brain-Numbing Issue", "Second Elbow-Crushing Issue", "Third
Skull-Warping Issue", and "Fourth Liver-Twisting Issue", all clearly 
labeled at the top of the cover page.
 
They are idicated in the indicia as being published respectively in
August 1989, September 1989 (amazingly enough), December 1989 (that's better)
and February 1990.
 
  If there ever is a fifth issue, as it seems the story at least is done,
it would be the "Fifth Coccyx-Cracking Issue", featuring Mutants..
 
--Serval, Fission Chicken Fan Extraordinaire..  :)
From: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.furry
Subject: More on MUCK
Date: 10 Oct 92 17:27:00 GMT
Reply-To: ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

TO: noel@umbc2.umbc.edu

Forwarded from: rec.arts.animation

RJ>From: rjung@aludra.usc.edu (Robert Jung)
RJ>Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
RJ>Subject: TINY TOONS Upcoming Episodes! (FurryMUCK gone? Christmas special!)
RJ>Date: 10 Oct 92 02:16:51 GMT
RJ>Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway

RJ>Hiya, toonsters! It's another Friday, which means it's time for the TTAUEC t
RJ>spit out another bout with the low-pun highly-manic TINY TOON ADVENTURES
RJ>Upcoming Episodes Guide!

RJ>This week's bulletin features some good news and some bad news, so let's get
RJ>the bad stuff out of the way first...

RJ>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

RJ>Regular readers of these TTAUEC bulletins and regular readers of
RJ>alt.tv.tiny-toon are probably well aware of FurryMUCK, the anthromorphic MUD
RJ>filled with their favorite cartoon characters.

RJ>Some mondo bad news for all your FurryMUCKers, then: The unofficial _rumor_
RJ>is that FurryMUCK is losing its computer site. According to this story (whic
RJ>has not yet been verified to be true), the system administrators at CMU have
RJ>decided to reclaim their system resources and axe the MUCK. FurryMUCK regula
RJ>will note that the system has not been responding in the last few days.

RJ>More news one way or the other will be posted in this bulletin. In the
RJ>meantime, you can use telnet to reach the FurryMUCK test site, at

RJ>                    hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu 8888, a.k.a.
RJ>                    128.100.102.51 8888

RJ>The hawkwind site is running off a copy of the FurryMUCK database from a mon
RJ>ago, and is not a long-term situation. FurryMUCK regulars are not advised to
RJ>do any long-term building or planning, tho. The wizards are looking for a ne
RJ>site now, and we wish them well.

RJ>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 - Rest of post omitted for brevity (and because it will probably show
 up here after I do this.)

Folks, this don't sound too good...

 * SLMR 2.1a * Anthropomorphics - Your best entertainment value.