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From: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Problem with acting out dreams
Reply-To: wolffie@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:58:21 GMT

In article <77991@ut-emx.uucp> charlieb@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Nihil) writes:

> The other night, Sunday I guess, I was having a dream where I was  
defending
>  my parents house from some idiot burgular.  He wouldn't give in, so I
>  figured that I ought to knock him out with a couple of elbows to the
>  head.  Guess what happened?  Yes, I elbowed my sleepmate, but luckily I
>  woke up in time to pull the blow a little.
> Well, my sleepmate was not only seriously hurt (I hit the chest not the  
head)
>  but my sleepmate told me to immeadiately remove the knives I have
>  around the bed area and for me to unload our gun: which I believe is
>  prudent behavior.  (please let's not talk about guns)

Recent news item from Washington State:  a law enforcement officer actually  
shot himself in the foot while dreaming that he was struggling with an  
evildoer.

A can of Mace or CapStun by the bedside might be safer...
From: S_TITZ@iravcl.ira.uka.de (Olaf Titz)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Remembering Dreams
Date: 19 Aug 1992 14:39:39 GMT
Organization: Fachschaft Informatik, Uni Karlsruhe
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In <1992Aug14.045014.23461@nntp.uoregon.edu> davecole@cie.uoregon.edu writes:

>  Hello,
>    I thought I would post a short note and ask a question.  I have only one
>  memory of dreaming.  Once when I was 9 or 10, (40 now), I remember a dream as
>  if it happened yesterday.  It involved being somewhat less than weightless.  I
>  would jump, hit something like 500 to 100 feet, and then gently return to 
>  Earth.
>   
Virtually EVERYONE who remembers dreams knows this.
(But does anybody know where it comes from? I think it is an image of
flying corrupted by over-rationalistic thinking, but...)


MfG,
        Olaf
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: keith@netcom.com (Keith Mason)
Subject: Bouncing Banana Phonebooth
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 21:46:05 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

Does anyone remember the Phonebooth, and if so, what were the results?
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: zuul@declips.GUN.de (Wolf-Agathon Schaly)
Subject: Holiday near by Miami
Organization: declips, Duesseldorf, Germany
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:35:17 GMT

Hallo Folks

In November this year (1992 :-})  i am and my girlfriend what to make
holidays near Miami.

Can some body inform me about the weather and what special locations we
unconditional must visit.

pls send me informations via MAIL, to zuul@declips.GUN.de, i have no 
permissions to the group alt.dreams

ciao zuul@declips.GUN.de

-- 
                Wolf-Agathon Schaly      Voice: ++49 211 48 29 34
                  Tussmannstrasse 9      Email: zuul@declips.GUN.de
       D W4000 Duesseldorf 30 (FRG)            

Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: c8838228@cc.newcastle.edu.au (DO YOU HEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE)
Subject: Re: strange ear dream
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:55:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.111613.1@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu>, zimm@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Laurie Zimmerman, HHMI, Univ. of Pa.) writes:
> If anyone would like to interpret this odd dream, please do so:
> 
> I was standing in front  of a mirror somewhere where I lived and suddenly
> noticed that I had two ears on each side of my head - I just pulled my real ear
> forward and found a tiny ear (similar shape but not complete) behind it.
> Then I pulled my other ear forward and found another ear (complete outer ear -
> normal size) behind that one.  My ears are pierced, and I was shocked to
> discover that only the real ear on one side was pierced.  On the other side,
> the tiny ear was completely hidden by the normal ear.  I was not grossed out,
> but I was worrying about what my boyfriend would say (In real life he likes to
> tease me about my long toes, etc.) And I couldn't believe that I had never
> discovered these extra ears before. 



It appears that you are an itsypitsy bit paranoid about the way you appear
infront of your boyfriend , since he hassles you about the way you look
( ie toes).

Maybe his jokes are getting to you more than you realised , and your 
subconscience is trying to tell you this.

Minc.
From: davol@twinheadmeiko.co.uk (David Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: odd Blue Fish dream... it haunts me still...
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:17:28 GMT
Organization: meiko

I liked your dream. I can't explain what it means. 
I believe we have to do our own interpretation. 

But all the same I find find fish dreams interesting. 
Some of my happiest and most reassuring dreams are about 
fish. I usually come across a pool and look into the 
depths and it is _teeming_ with fat fish and I get excited 
as I would have done as a child. The fish we find in real 
life are never quite so large or magnificent. 

Your dream reminded me of one I had the other night. 
It had something to do with the war in Bosnia and was
sad and disturbing. 

In my dream I saw a solitary fish at the bottom of a pool. 
It was swimming around rapidly and I had an automatic rifle 
and I had to kill it. I fired a stream of bullets at the 
fish on the bottom of the pool. They must have hit but the 
fish was still alive and came to the surface. I continued 
firing. The bullets passed right through but they were 
tearing the fish apart. It seemed larger now and I became 
desparate. I just wanted it to die because by this time I 
had gone too far. 

I stopped firing. The pool began to boil with pinkish 
foam. As the fish died its life force was pouring out with 
terrible violence. 

I felt I had done a great wrong. 

Dave Wilson.
From: cafer@etek.chalmers.se (Tommy Vaske)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Problem with acting out dreams
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:15:07 GMT
Reply-To: cafer@etek.chalmers.se (Tommy Vaske)
Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, SWEDEN

Maybe it _is_ your sleepmate you want to hit?
I suggested something similar to the guy who wrote about his
spider terrors a while ago, and he felt I might be right on it.
(Can't remember your name, but please mail and tell me how it
all turned out!)

I know it might not apply in your case (and No I Don't Call
Myself Wizard), but trying to relate directly to one's real life
often pays plenty.

--tommy
*************************************************************
*       semper idem!        *     "O Frabjous Day!          * 
*  cafer@etek.chalmers.se   *      Callooh! Callay!"   -L.C.*
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From: clint@matia.stanford.edu (Jennifer Dole)
Subject: Re: DreamLight
Organization: Psychology Dept, Stanford Univ.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 20:19:54 GMT

>How long has the DreamLight been on the market, and does it have
any competition?

Six months. No competition.

>Does the DreamLight interfere with sleep...?

It can if the settings one uses are not suited to one's sleeping 
habits, (i.e., a very long, bright cue will wake a light sleeper). 
The unit will wake most users from time to time, but these transient 
awakenings are conducive to dream recall and the practice of lucid 
dream induction techniques during the night, such as LaBerge's MILD. 
It's a trade-off, though. The feeling you can have during the day(s) 
following a lucid dream usually greatly outweighs any feeling of 
tiredness you may have over lost sleep. And, of couse, lucid dreaming 
per se yields no such feelings of fatigue at being "awake" the whole 
night.

>How quickly do buyers tire of the DreamLight?

There is a whole spectrum of responses. We get feedback from those
purchasers immensely satisfied with the product, and conversely, we
get some returns (5 -10% out of the nearly 600 that are out there in 
the world). I suspect, of course, there are some responses in between 
these two extremes!

>...personal testimonials?

Granted I'm not exactly your typical impartial DreamLight purchaser, 
but I am an occasional DreamLight user (<1/mo.), and I also answer 
the DreamLight Help Line, a phone support service for users, so I
hear from plenty of purchasers. The DreamLight is a *tool* to aid in 
the induction of lucid dreams, it is not consciousness in a bottle, as 
it were. One must work *with* the unit, and bring to the experience 
a mind sufficiently prepared to have lucid dreams. Therefore, the 
efficacy of the DreamLight as a lucid dream induction device varies
from user to user.

The initial data we've compiled from purchasers of the product 
indicate that out of 75 first time users, 40% had at least one lucid 
dream in just the first week of use. As for long term usage, I think 
of Lynne Levitan, a devoted lucid dream researcher, who has used the 
DreamLight about 130 times over a three year period. Mental preparation
aside, she had more than 3 times as many lucid dreams on nights that 
she was wearing the DreamLight as opposed to when she was not. (These
statistics were presented at the Assciation for the Study of Dreams in
1987.)
 
As for me, when I go to bed with a proper mental set, and use the 
DreamLight, I'd venture to say I have at least one lucid dream upwards 
of 80% of the time.

Hope this has been helpful,

Jennifer
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: SLEEP WALKING
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:24:52 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Wesleyan University

In article <558.25.uupcb@madness.network23.com>, david.hofmann@madness.network23.com (David Hofmann)  writes:
>         For as long as I can rember I have been sleep walking but not
> like I have ever read on the subject most poeple aren't aware of them
> selfs sleep walking inless some one wakes them I can rember most
> of my excepers and almost always wasn't awoken.
> 
>         The farthest back memory of me sleep walking was when I was
> about 6 I rember get up out of bed, taking a shower, putting my sunday
> clothes on, and going out to play on the computer I start to load flight
> simulator played for about an hour, then I went back to my room and got
> back in bed. when I woke up the next morning I thought it was a dreem
> intill I relized I was wereing my sunday clothes the weird thing was it
> was it was sunday.
> 
>         This happen mainy times after that I awalys happen with
> something that was going on in my life like lately I have been haveing a
> recoring what ever you want to call this that I sit up in bed and start
> pas imgery maps out my window and anwser question like I do at work the
> only thing is I been on vaction.
> 
>         Does anyone ever have this happen to them or I just wierd.
>                                                                       
from the miniscule amount of reading i've done on the subject, it seems that
sleepwalking is often in response to the stress of a habit.  for instance you
were on vacation from work and when you were sleepwalking you were working off
that stress by doing things you do at work.  and with the sunday clothes, you
were probably thinking about the routine you'd go through the next morning
while falling asleep, and acted on the stress you'd created there.  there is a
similar condition in which it is the astral body that actually gets out of bed
and the physical stays put, and these usually lead to dreams of getting up and
trying to turn on the light switch but it's stuck or something (because the
astral hand goes right through it!).  i don't remember but there is some factor
that decides which of these experiences a person will have; something about how
paralyzed the physical body is when coming out of sleep.  if it's not paralyzed
enough, i guess the physical is brought along for a ride.
(Sylvan Muldoon's theory anyway)
hope that's helpful,

Jude
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: boyken@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Karl Boyken)
Subject: Re: Dream replays
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:08:00 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., U. of Iowa

In article <1992Aug14.131930.8817@csc.ti.com>, alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones)
writes:

> 
> My wife has always had very good dream recall, and her dreams are usually
> pretty vivid.  But she told me something interesting about her dreams that
> I find terribly fascinating.
> 
> She tells me that as situations are unfolding in her dreams, if she is
> unhappy with the results, she can "will" a rewind or replay of the situation!
> She then uses the opportunity to try out different approaches to solving the
> problem at hand.  She sez she often goes thru several scenarios before she is
> satisfied.
> 
> Anyone else ever hear of this ability?!?
> 
> ---
> sincerely,
> Alan Jones  /  Texas Instruments, Dallas, TX  /  email=alanj@dadd.ti.com
> 
> 
> 

I've sometimes been able to do this, since childhood.  I remember one dream
I had as a child, in which I watched a large tree being cut down.  I didn't
like that, so I "rewound" the dream and kept it from being cut down.

In these dreams, I'm aware I'm dreaming.  But they're not lucid dreams,
because I am not participating in the dream.  I'm an unattached observer; I
don't see the dream from the point of view of anyone in it.  It's more like
watching a play, and when the actors don't get it right, I make them do it
over.

*****        _My_ views, no one else's--except those I plagiarize         *****
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: wu@mdd.comm.mot.com (Philip Wu)
Subject: Re: Forcing yourself out of a dream.
Organization: Motorola - Mobile Data Division; Richmond, BC
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:03:59 GMT

In <1992Aug20.182732.3315@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> sihd_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dan Shimmyo) writes:


>  Anyway, when I'd first try to wake myself up, it's like feeling paralized
>and I'd try to shake or get up or whatnot.  Sometimes I'd actually think that
>my arms were in the air but they actually probably weren't.  Well, the whole 
>experience felt like I was suffocating or as if I were engulfed in something.
>When I finally succeed in waking up it feels like I'm breaking thru something
>and then I have a hard time going back to sleep.

Sometimes, when it's really late and I'm trying to fall asleep, I get the
sensation that my whole body is being held down.  I can't move ANYTHING.
I try to make a sound through my mouth, and nothing comes up.  I harder I
resist it, the harder the force presses me down.  It goes away when I let go
and not resist at all........

Is this a dream??

Phil
From: mike.mcaulay@spacebbs.com (Mike Mcaulay)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Perverse Lucidity
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:42:00 GMT
Reply-To: mike.mcaulay@spacebbs.com (Mike Mcaulay)
Distribution: usa
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193

pv@gagme.chi.il.us (Paul Vader) writes:

PV>I find it hard to believe that dream images express themselves in some
PV>universal code. If I am having a sexual dream, it is not about trains going
PV>into tunnels (unless perhaps I am on the train in a stateroom with someone).

I have not suggested anything of the sort.

PV>As others say here, the only person that can really analyze your dreams is
PV>yourself. Another person might help you by saying something that gets you
PV>thinking, but you're doing all the work.

That's why I posted my suggestions.  I have had good results with the
methods I use.  Perhaps others might too.

PV>>Finally, in attempting to understand the message of a nightmare, it's
PV>>helpful to remember that nightmares in general are symptoms of dis-ease or
PV>>unbalance in the psyche.  Hence, any correct interpretation of the dream
PV>>will necessarily involve identifying a belief- and/or behavior-system that
PV>>needs to change.  In other words, your nightmares are criticising the way
PV>>you lead your life.  Keeping this "twist" in mind can sometimes give you
PV>>insight into a dream that is resisting interpretation.

PV>I have no idea what "disease or unbalance in the psyche" means. How about
PV>spicy food, tangled blankets, or stress?

Those are all possibilities, yes.  Note however that they are all
"symptoms of dis-ease."  As for "disease or unbalance in the psyche,"
think of mental illness and (your example) stress.

PV>Just because you have a scary dream
PV>or nightmare doesn't mean you have some black mark on your soul (whatever
PV>*that* is). Suggesting that somebody has a problem because they had a bad
PV>dream can do more harm than good, especially if someone with a degree claim
PV>to have the only answers.

Well, you and I disagree here.  I believe that a nightmare (in the sense
of a dream that is *subjectively unpleasant*) is *always* an indication
of dis-ease somewhere in the organism.  It is an imagistic expression
of the body's primal self-awareness.  This is my *theory*, and I don't
even have a relevent degree after my name, so feel free to apply grains
of salt liberally.  But it works for me.

PV>Your message underscores some of the problems I have with this newsgroup.
PV>Dreams are as close as most of us get to a mystical experience, so it's easy
PV>to assume that something secret and mystical is really happening. Does it
PV>have to be so? Can't dreams be (at least sometimes) enjoyed for what they
PV>are and be studied empirically?

Absolutely.  I hope I have not given the impression that I believe
*every* dream needs to be subjected to this sort of scrutiny.

PV>I apologize in advance if someone thinks I'm stomping on their toes. I don't
PV>mean anything I'm saying here to be a personal attack (except my .sig,

Ditto.  No offense taken.

M.
---
 . SLMR 2.1 . Where is your mind between two thoughts?
From: davol@twinheadmeiko.co.uk (David Wilson)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: Re: Explaining lucid dreaming to someone IN A DREAM!
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:23:31 GMT
Organization: meiko

> Hmmm... since I'm replying to this posting about lucid dreaming, maybe *I'm*
> dreaming!  Everything indicates, however, that I'm not.  If you don't see this
> posting, then you'll know that I AM dreaming.....

Your're NOT. 
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Newsgroups: alt.dreams,alt.consciousness,alt.config,alt.paranormal,alt.oobe
Subject: Re: pre-CFV for OBE newsgroup
From: jtulli@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 14 Aug 92 23:16:24 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University

i apologize for perhaps moving a little too hastily, and for calling for votes
when it probably wasn't my business to do it but no one seemed to be doing
anything, so...
as far as alt.consciousness.altered-states is concerned, someone recommended it
(in alt.config i think).
someone also recommended having the current alt.oobe as an option.
if the format of the vote still needs to be discussed then let's discuss it!  i
hope the actual vote will take place soon so we can get on with the discussion
we want to have instead of the discussion about computer politics.

Jude
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: DreamLight ad [LONG]
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 22:39:46 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

Thanks for the ad. The sensational claims it makes create high
expectations among potential buyers, like myself. If those expectations
are met, then it is surely worth $990. But if the DreamLight is like
most consumer products, I suspect the claims may be overstated.

Here are a few questions potential buyers may want answered before
committing their money:

How long has the DreamLight been on the market, and does it have any
competition?

Does the DreamLight interfere with sleep, such that it becomes
difficult to get up and go to work the next day?

How quickly do buyers tire of the DreamLight? I suspect that most
buyers are motivated by curiousity, and once the novelty wears off,
the appliance is no longer used, especially if its performance is
does not meet one's expectations.

It would be most helpful to see some personal testimonials from
those who have purchased the DreamLight.
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
From: pally@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (Pally Hoffstein)
Subject: Re: Controlling one's behavior in dreams
Organization: mikejag (mike) is a private system in Vancouver, BC, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:05:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.232327.17523@u.washington.edu> wolffie@u.washington.edu writes:
> [dream controlling details delested]
>
>	Has anybody ever been able to consciously direct their behavior in  
>dreams?   Have you been able to do things forbidden in Real Life?

Sometimes I can. Not often and it depends on the kind of dream. In nightmares
and the more bizarre of dreams, where the feelings of being helpless or out of
control are prevelent it seems impossible; even when I know I'm dreaming.
Achieving the utter impossible is not something I can direct by choice in my
dreams. But I've developed a knack for directing the outcomes of dreams of a
romantic or sexual nature, to ends not achievable in my real life. These are
also the sorts of dreams I'm most likely to gain lucidity in. The power of
positive reinforcement I guess.

pally hoffstein
vancouver, canada
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From: williajm@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: The key is, I actually said the word "lucid"!
Date: 19 Aug 92 22:55:54 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


Hi all lucid dreamers!! (is there a term for us?)

I had my first lucid dream last week. I was "trying" for a while to have  
them, but stopped thinking about them and had more easily remembered  
dreams, and finally a lucid one, anyway. I was actually controlling the  
dream before I realized I was lucid. I'm not sure what made me realize,  
but I said to myself "Hey, I'm lucid!".

I almost panicked because I felt (as people have said) that if I didn't  
have a goal in mind, I'd wake up. I went for the easiest thing, flying.  
I'd tried flying before, but I wasn't sure then that I was dreaming, and  
was afraid to jump out the window. Because of this, I don't consider it  
lucid. I flew for a while, but then felt I was losing control. My feet  
flew faster, and I started to flip in the air. "This is O.K." I thought,  
"I read that spinning is supposed to help you stay lucid". But I woke up.

It would be nice to know if there's something I can do if this happens  
again. What if you feel you are "losing control" in a lucid dream? Does  
spinning only apply along your body axis (i.e. the axis from head to toe)?

I would like to know what people have tried as well (see "Re:Probems with  
lucid dreaming"). I plan to try looking at my hands if I become lucid  
again, and also walking through walls.
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From: star@ut-emx.uucp (Susan Catharine Starrett)
Newsgroups: alt.dreams
Subject: 14 August dream II
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:09:12 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas


The arm around me turned into a root and wrapped around me,
pulling me down past the pillows into the mattress. I
knew if I screamed I could wake myself up. I screamed
for what seemed like a long time - very faint at first but
gathering strength as I got closer to the surface of the mattress.
Hearing my scream brought me back and I woke up.