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From: spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Ugur Mumcu'nun oldurulmesi ve dusunceler
Keywords: none
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:48:13 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

In article <Jan24.201743.38331@meng.emory.edu> mario@meng.emory.edu writes:
|In article <MUCIT.93Jan24143313@slate.cs.rochester.edu>, mucit@cs.rochester.edu`
|>In article <Jan24.182828.28353@meng.emory.edu> mario@meng.emory.edu (** maestr`
|>[stuff deleted]
|>>   80 darbesi sola karsi yapilmisti, yeni olasi darbe
|>>   dinci barbarlara karsi yapilabilir ve ben
|>>   boyle bir darbeyi destekliyorum.
|> 
|>Lufen agzinizdan cikani kulaginiz duysun.  Utanilacak laflar bunlar.
|> 
|>>   Maestro Can
|> 
|>BM
|
|

|Darbe korkutucu  birsey degildir, darbesiz "demokrasi"
|islemedigi zaman, korktugunuz darbe'den cok daha
|zararli olur..Bu konuda fikir beyan etmeden once
|bu konularda bilgi edininiz. 

Bu bana a$i gununde ilkokul cocuklarina verilen telkinleri hatirlatti.
Sakin korkma, bak pire isirmi$ kadar acimayacak falan filan gibi.

Herhalde Maestro zihniyeti yeni bir demokrasi a$isini Tr'ye zerketme
hazirliginda.
 
Ne dersiniz Ugur Mumcu da bu zihniyetle vurulmu$ olmasin sakin!...

Beytullah


|
|Maestro Can
From: Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Kemalistler, Millet, Ulus
Date: 26 Jan 93 11:26:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: kcbbs.1029325.41212.1025
Organization: Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, New Zealand

Ey Kemalistler !
Kufurlerinizin bini bir araya gelse, su gercegi degistiremez:
M.Kemal "Hakimiyet bila-kaydu-sart milletindir" demekle
'millet' ile 'ulus' arasindaki farki gozetmekten uzak
oldugunu apacik gostermistir.
Haydi simdi dilerseniz hep bir agizdan koro halinde kufredin,
gurultu edin, bakalim bu soyleneni gurultuye getirebilir misiniz ?

"Hakimiyet bila-kaydu-sart milletindir."
M.Kemal.
From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: good GOD, why do thy see so much hatred in human ...
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:53:18 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <1i9eurINN6ks@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> s904859@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Daniel Asmelash Goitom) writes:

[stuff deleted]
>Would a Mother want her children to FIGHT amongst themselves?  Like any
>mother the answer is NO, NO, NO, NO, NO............
[..]
>WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO SHARE IT, THIS IS A TRUE FACT.

Then Daniel Ashmelash, go and persuade your government not to
participate in the killing of people of the middle east, tell them to
stand against the genocide and rapes in Bosnia, tell them that
driving 400 professors, lawyers, intellectals to the desert just
because they want freedom is unlawful. Yes Daniel Ashmelash Goitom, 
or Ozcan, or whoever you actually are, tell them that they should
give aboriginals equal rights with the whites. Tell them. But most
important above all, Daniel Ashmelash Goitom, please check your
capslock before uniting the world under Mother Earth.

Kutluk
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From: Ramin Shamsili, Dep. Inorganic Chemistry,7034,Trondheim,Norway (Ramin G. Shamsili)
Subject: Re: Ugur Mumcu killed
Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 10:18:52 GMT


The following news is taken from soc.culture.turkish; 
As the discussion on Islamic interpretation and Islamic rules continues in
our news group : soc.culture.iranian, I thought maybe someone can respond 
to the following question after reading the following news:

Question : Is there any where in Islamic instruction and rules which makes it
HalAl or MobAh to take the life of a journalist with different way of thinking
and what will the supporters of Islamic goverment ( any kind of it, or is there
only one type?) do to free press and media and journalists (like Ugur Mumcu)
eventually after comming to power?

The first newspaper I read in Turkish was Cumhuriyet; Ever since
I have followed Ugur Mumcus  column in the paper with enthusiasm and
admiratrion although I did not agree with him 100%.
I cry for Ugur Mumcu and all the victims of violence and terrorism. May
his soul rest in peace........ 
ramin
From: ega029@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Lami Kaya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: >>>>>>>>> HAKKI KOCABAS .....
Date: 23 Jan 93 09:08:40 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <14423.9301221823@thor.cf.ac.uk> spebcg@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr B G Cetiner 92) writes:
>Kendi gercek adi ile yazamayan bu tip vatansever(!) ki$ilerin, oradan
>buradan aldiklari sahte adreslerle bu tip yazilar yazmasini $iddetle
>protesto ediyorum.
>
>S.C.T nin bu tip mailleri kontrol edecek bir disiplin kurulu yok mudur?
>En azindan anony... adresinden gelen maillerde bir kontrol yapilabilir.
>
>Kimsenin kimseye bu $ekilde hakaret etmeye hakki yoktur. 
>
>Bu tip adamlar icin
>
>Suretiyle lisan,
>Ayniyla insan....     
>
>Beytullah

Hakaret dolu ve rahatsiz edici yazilar icin en kolay yol,
mailin ciktigi nod'un adminine bir mail gondermek. Onlarin
bu konuda cok etkili tedbirleri var. 

postmaster@mesajin geldigi adres (nod adresi) yazilirsa
ilgililere ulasir. Rahatsiz eden yazinin bir kopyasini
gondermeyi unutmayin. 

Bu tur tedbirlerin/girisimlerin insanlarin dusunceleri 
politik fikirlerini acikca yazmalarini onlemek icin kullanilmasina
siddetle karsiyim, fakat kufurlu yazilar icin kullanilabilecegi
inancindayim

Lami
From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: turkey tv show (fwd)
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:49:42 GMT
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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Forwarded message:
>From VM.USC.EDU!LISTSERV Fri Jan 22 01:42:06 1993
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:33:00 EST
From: hgoldste%UDCVAX.BITNET@VM.USC.EDU
To: trknws-l@VM.USC.EDU
Message-Id: <00966F5C.15D73C60.4198@UDCVAX.BITNET>
Subject: turkey tv show

some time ago a message was sent about a TV program about
Turkey that was supposed to be on WWOR-TV in NYC on January 21.

it was not on at that time ... perhaps someone might be able
to provide better information as to when it might air?


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From: an7787@anon.penet.fi
Subject: KUTLUK OZGUVENE YANIT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.turkish
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:47:56 GMT

Sayin Kutluk Ozguven Israilden surulen fundementalist kisilerin terorist olmadigini yazmislar.Zira bu insanlar doktor,muhendis vede isadami imis.Bazilarida
imammis.Asagidaki gercekler isiginda meslekler ile teroristligin fazla bir iliskisi olmadigini dusunuyorum.
1.Bosnadaki Sirplarin lideri esasinda doktordur.Bu insanlik suclusu zat terorist
ten bile asagilik bir hayvandir.BBC'ye gore sairmis.
2.Katil Dr. Mengele'nin ne oldugunu tartismaya bile gerek yok.
3.PKK nin basi APO universite mezunudur(Esasinda TC bursu alarak universitede
okumustur)
4.Terorist olarak idam edilen Deniz Gecmis ve arkadaslari ODTU de arastirma
gorevlisiydi
5.Asala'nin en onemli kademeleri isadami ve okumus seviyedeki insanlardi
6.Seksen oncesi terorist orgutlerin bircok elamani universite mezunu kisilerdi
Ben bu Filistinli kisileri tanimam ama sadece mesleklerine bakarak terorist
degildir denemez.Bu kisiler tarafsiz kaynaklarca nasil degerlendiriliyor ona
bakmak lazimdir.
Not:Bosna kasabi hayvanin ismini insan olmadigindan yazmiyorum.Kendisi asagilik
bir kopektir.Netin seviyesini dusurmemek icin hakkindaki dusunceleri belirtmiyorum.
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From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: From TRKNWS
Date: 24 Jan 93 19:06:49 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1jukc0INNj00@morrow.stanford.edu> HQ.GGG@forsythe.stanford.edu (hq.ggg) writes:
>1/24 Bomb Kills Turkish Journalist Ugur Mumcu
>
>   ANKARA, Turkey (AP) -- A car bomb on Sunday killed a
>left-wing Turkish columnist known for his investigation of
>the 1981 assassination attempt on Pope Paul II.
>   Mumcu, a columnist for the Istanbul daily Cumhuriyet, was
>outspoken against Islamic fundamentalism and Kurdish
>separatism and was considered an expert on terrorism.
>   A group calling itself the Islamic Salvation claimed
>responsibility for the bombing in anonymous telephone calls
>to newspapers. It was the first time such a group, described
>as fundamentalist, had been heard of.
>   Mumcu, a vigorous defender of secularism in Turkey, had
>reported receiving death threats from extremist Islamic
>groups.

Ve iste Mumcu'yu da vurdular.

Once Cetin Emec.
Ardindan Bahriye Ucok..

Simdi de Ugur Mumcu...

Yaziklar olsun!

Kaldiramadigi dusunceye saldiranlara yaziklar olsun!

Insanlar oldurulebilir ama dusunceler oldurulemez!

Insanlar oldurulebilir ama demokrasi olmez!

Ama siz oldurmeye devam edin, cunku halkin nefreti size olacaktir,
demokrasiye degil.

Turk basini ve kulturu en degerli uyelerinden birini kaybetti.
Basimiz sagolsun.
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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From: an7793@anon.penet.fi
Subject: No Subject
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 06:20:03 GMT

You never know how many friends you have until you rent a house on the
beach.
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From: trh@jack.sns.com (Al Trh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Fenerbahce-Bakirkoyspor
Date: 25 Jan 1993 03:54:02 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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 Date:    Sat, 23 Jan 93 12:52:42 EST

 Turkiye birinci ligi, ikinci yari, 1. hafta macinda
 Bakirkoyspor 1  Fenerbahce 3
                  Aykut(2)
                  Tanju

 Macta sakatlanan Ridvan 1 ay oynayamayacakmis.
                                       Selamlar, Bulent Erkmen
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: Cihan.Tepedelenlioglu@launchpad.unc.edu (Cihan Tepedelenlioglu)
Subject: Istiklal Marsi
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:08:40 GMT

Herkese merhaba. Elinde Istiklal Marsi'nin bir kopyasi
olan tepedeln@cs.fit.edu adresine yollayabilir mi? DAha
kolayiniza geliyorsa buraya da post edebilirsiniz.

Simdiden tesekkurler...

Cihan Tepedelenlioglu

--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
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From: an7793@anon.penet.fi
Subject: No Subject
Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:00:01 GMT

Carelessly planned projects take three times longer to complete than
expected.  Carefully planned projects take four times longer to
complete than expected, mostly because the planners expect their
planning to reduce the time it takes.
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From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: Secular, Muslim Brotherhood, Changes
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 20:34:05 GMT

In article <jhardono.5.727782944@ucs.indiana.edu> jhardono@ucs.indiana.edu (JUMAHADI HARDONO) writes:
>Dear netters,
>     What is happening to our muslims brothers and sisters around
>the world shows to us that our brotherhood and our sensitivity
>among muslims are not too strong. Maybe some of muslims

Neither are they too strong among christians themselves. Religion in itself 
does not bind people in the long run, religion as a means towards 
political ends does bind people. 

>     Unfortunately, most of current muslim countries are being
>ruled by western puppets or beggars . So, we need changes... The
>solution is there... We have to replace our secular government.

What a strong conclusion! The secularity is all to blame, right?
One has to be terribly ignorant to arrive at such conclusions. Please
note that the President of Turkey is leading "Muslim" countries
in an effort to help Bosnia. Ironically, Turkey is a secular state.

Once religion is separated from people's private lives, and becomes
indulged in society, it automatically becomes a tool of power. Point.
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      Your wisdom is limited 
Krannert, Purdue                                by the comprehension
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       of your adressee.
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Organization: Anonymous contact service
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:40:03 GMT

The sun was shining on the sea,
Shining with all his might:
He did his very best to make
The billows smooth and bright --
And this was very odd, because it was
The middle of the night.
		-- Lewis Carroll, "Through the Looking Glass"
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From: benan@utkvx1.utk.edu (Basoglu, Benan)
Subject: Re: >>>>>>>>> HAKKI KOCABAS ADLI HIYAR HAKKINDA <<<<<<<<<<
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:44:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.095625.14717@ulrik.uio.no>, suley@xantos.uio.no (Suleyman Kondakci) writes...
> 
>	Dikkatinizi cekmistir, turk politikasindada aynen yukaridaki
>	siklar devem eder. Toplum olarak rasyonellikten uzak, dikkafali
>	uygar olmayan yontemlerle olaylarin ustune gitmeyi kulturumuz
>	bize temel kilmistir (olsa olsa dinin ve Arap kulturunun etkisidir).
> 
>Selam getirmisem 
>Suleyman

Suleyman Kardesim:

Olsa olsa, -ortada kamis, -amaci olmayan, -nereden gelip nereye gittigini
bilmeyen, -tarihi ile baglari kopartilmis, -atalarinin amaclarini, ne
yapmaya calistigini anlayamayan, -dinini bilmeyip, din konusunda ahkam
kesilen, -yine dini bilmeyip, dini yasadigini sanan, -batidan ne
gelirse lop diye alan, -doguyu hakir gorup kucumseyen, -kendi kulturunu
bilmeyen, -kendi kulturuyle dalga gecen,  -taklitci, -kendini zora
sokmayip hazircilikla gecinen, -tembel, -yuzsuz, -alcak nefisli, -"tavuk 
kabugundan cikmis, kabugunu begenmemis" atasozune uygun tavirlarda
bulunan ve butun bu ve bunlara benzer insanlarin batinin ustunlugumuze engel 
olmamasi amaclarina uygun olarak desteklenmesi ve basimiza lider yapilmasi 
sonucunda olusmus bugunku Anadolu kulturunun etkisidir demek istemistin 
herhalde. Biraz acalimda yanlis anlasilmasin!

Selamlar

Benan BASOGLU

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:00:01 GMT

When the government bureau's remedies do not match your problem, you
modify the problem, not the remedy.
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From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Subject: Re: Seyreyleyin gumburtuyu  
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:37:16 GMT

In article <1029327.21048.5434@kcbbs.gen.nz> Hakki_Kocabas@kcbbs.gen.nz (Hakki Kocabas) writes:
>> Yonetimler dinlerden bagimsizdirlar, ya da oyle olmalidirlar.  
>  
>Also sprach Zarathustra !  
>Hangi yonetimler, hangi dinlerden bagimsizdir ?  
>Turkiye Cumhuriyeti bile Ataturk ilkeleri uzerine kurulmadi mi ?  
>Bu Turkiye Cumhuriyeti Yasalari bu ilkeler uzerine oturtulmadi mi ?  
>  

Artik yorum yapmiyorum. Kafasi dogru durust isleyen bunun sacmaligini
anlar.

Wenn Du nicht verstehst, was Zarathustra gemeint hat, dann kannst Du
lieber die Schnauze halten!

>  
>Hadi simdilik kal saglicaklan...  
>  
"Saglicakla" olacak...
-- 
Emre Erkut                                      You can murder people 
Krannert, Purdue                                but you can never 
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       murder ideas. 
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 21:00:05 GMT

Santa Claus wears a Red Suit,
	He must be a communist.
And a beard and long hair,
	Must be a pacifist.

	What's in that pipe that he's smoking?
		-- Arlo Guthrie
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From: RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: RE:RE:KAYA GENE DUSTUN!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 17:09:23 -0600
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 Kaya  niye boyle kiziyorsun. Yalan soyluyorsaun diye kizmanin
 ne alemi var. Sana simdi olayi tekrar bastanmi anlatayim. 
 Orada bir ibare vardi. """...EGER  KASDEDIYORSAN""" dedim yaziyi
 bir daha  OKU ISTERSEN. Senin icin asagiya tekrar aliyorum.

  *> >    8. Kible :
*> >              Muslumanlarin namaz kilarken ki, kullandiklari yon,
*> >              ilk once Kudus'tu. Diger taraftan Hanifiler, doguya ve batiya
*> >              dogru namaz kilarlardi. Medine'de Yahudileri kendisine
*> >              ..........
*>      Mr Kaya burada  beni gercekden GULDURDUN.  Hanifilerden hanefi
*>                                                ********************
*>         mezhebinden olanlari kasdediyorsan. Elinde alinti yaptigin kitabi
*>         **********************************


    Simdi girgir tarafini bir tarafa birakalim. Niye yalan yalan diye
    kiziyorsun.  Artik senin tanimaya basladik Kaya nelere JUMP
    diye atlayacagini biliyoruz. Onun icin bir daha dikkatli ol.
    hemen yaan soyluyorsun diye kizma muhabete yeni basladik, Unutmadan
    hatirlatayim. HANIFIler ile HANIFLER  arasinda bir fark var.
    Bak madem dilbilgisi kurallari uyguluyoruz. Bana senin mantikile
    ALIM'in cogulunuda cikaririmisin.
    
    haydi kolay gelsin.
    
    REMZI CIRIT

NOT;kendine iyi bak sana birsey olursa muhabetin tadi kalmayacak
From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: haberler / news
Date: 25 Jan 93 12:04:13 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <C0pwxn.BFD@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut) writes:

>>ama Bosna'da binlerce Musluman olduruluyor, Musluman
>>kadinlarin irzina geciliyor. Hangisi daha vahim diye sordu?
>>Ozal'in girisimlerine oncelikle orgutteki Araplar direnis
>>gosterdi. Telefonla Rafsancani, Kral Fahad ve Husnu
>>Mubarek'i arayan Cumhurbaskani Ozal, bu liderlerden destek
>>istedi. Araplarin duyarligina tepki gosteren Cumhurbaskani,
>>boyle olursa zirveye katilmam dedi. Sonunda Turkiye'nin
>>dedigi oldu. Izzetbrgovic toplantiya katilacak ve zirve,
>>Ozal'in dedigi gibi basina acik yapilacak.

>Iste Islam "milleti" nasil oluyormus. Iste Islam dunyasi Bosna'da
>katledilen dindaslarina nasil yakinlik gosteriyormus. Iste 
>Turkiye'nin dondurulmek istedigi Islam ulkeleri kardesleri
>katledilince boyle tepki gosterirlermis.  

Haberin son satIrInda Arap krallarInIn, cumhurbaSkanlarInIn, Seyhlerin
vs. konferansIn basIna aCIk olmasIna, kendi halklarI tarafIndan
bilinmesine karSI olduklarI anlaSIlIyor. Arap yOneticilerin dinle
ilgisi olmadIGInI, Bosna hakkInda cIlIz bir iki demeC verdilerse de
onun halk baskIsIndan olduGunu bilmemiz gerekir. Yani ortada
Bosna'daki katliama duyarsIz yOneticiler ve bunlar Uzerinde
baskI oluSturan duyarlI ancak yOnetimde sOz sahibi olmayan MUslUman
yIGInlar var.

TUrkiye'nin Bosna konusundaki [gOrecel] duyarlIlIGInIn nedeni de
yOneticilerin seCilerek gelmiS olmasI, seCmenlerine karSI sorumlu
olmalarI. Yoksa bUrokratik devlet kadrolarIna bakarsanIz onlar da bu
konularda pek ilgili deGildir. 

BelirttiGiniz nokta "islam dUnyasI" dUSUncesine zedelemekten Cok
destekler nitelikte. 

Kutluk
From: emremsia@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Emre Erkut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: islami CIHAD mi -PKK MI ?
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:17:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.C1HF9H.6yK
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In article <01GTYCOSY1DE00005H@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU> RCIRIT%DENVER@VAXF.Colorado.EDU (REMZI CIRIT) writes:
>2. benim anlayamadigim Ugur Mumcu gibi dusunce bazinda pilini
>tuketmis birini ISlamcilar neden oldursun. Ne fayda saglayacakdi.
>son yillardaki arastirmlari ile hem nalina hemde migina vuruyordu.

Insanlara da sayginiz yok, dusunceye de.
Bari birsey soyleyecekseniz dogru durust soyleyin, laflariniz pek
Turkce'ye benzemiyor. ( hem nalina hem de migina?????)

Siz Islam'la kafayi yemissiniz.
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Emre Erkut                                      You can murder people 
Krannert, Purdue                                but you can never 
Turkish Education Foundation 1992 Scholar       murder ideas. 
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