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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:29:18 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:

>I have many times read reports of shootings where a police officer put a clip
>of 9mm into a drug-user and eventually said perpetrator bled to death, but
>not before beating shit out of police officer.

Does this belong in alt.folklore.urban?  I don't believe anyone,
PCP or not, beats the shit out of a cop after taking a *clip* of
9mm (maybe, if the clip only had 1 bullet in it).

-- 
   Brice Dowaliby, Fluent Inc., 10 Cavendish Court, Lebanon, NH  03766
                         bd%fluent@dartmouth.edu        
             I don't speak for them, they don't speak for me
                              DoD # 0698
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jsm@rosencrantz.osf.org (John S. Morris)
Subject: Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 20:26:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.192023.19053@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>cars in the '80s. And the yups who were adolescents in the late '60s,
>when the "dangerous" guys rode bikes, are buying bikes in the '90s.
>
HEY! This my peer group! (And I'm still considered "young"? Wow - what 
a great newsgroup!) None of my neighbors, co-workers, friends or 
acquaintances who were "adolescents in the late 60's" have bought bikes 
as "yuppie toys" - that's an overused, gross generalization. 

We're getting older, remembering the fun we had in younger days, and our 
kids are getting old enough to be on their own most of the time (leaving 
mom and dad free to terrorize the highways 8-)). The people I've known who 
have bought Harley's have done so because they're the ultimate cruiser - with 
style and soul. People who want to cruise and kick back - you don't do that 
on a crotch rocket - it's got nothing to do with "dangerous" stereotypes. 
And anyways, most "yuppies" I know have bought BMWs because, well.....Mercedes 
doesn't make motorcycles. 8-)

>My question is, what will the upwardly mobile who were adolescents
>in those wonderful late '70s buy in 2001? Rebuilt Starsky and Hutch
>mobiles? Sport bikes? Something even worse?
I predict Nissan 300ZX's, etc. 
Bikes are too risky for them.

-John
============================================================================
                            John S. Morris  #0316
  Open Software Foundation - 11 Cambridge Centre - Cambridge, MA 02142 USA
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                           Ride: K100RS Cage: 320i
From: farid@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Hany Farid)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Parking law
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:08:09 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: /home/farid/.organization
In-reply-to: lotto@laura.harvard.edu's message of 7 Oct 92 01:00:13 GMT


>   If (in your state) the vehicle is registered for on-street operation,
>   and the roads you are using it on are public roads: you have a case.
>   If the lands are private property or if this is an off-road vehicle, I
>   don't know if you can the park managers how to run their business.


I recall looking for an apartment in a large complex in Albany, New
York and being told that they do not allow residents to have
motorcyles.  No good reason -- just no motorcycles.  It wasn't worth
arguing about so I just left.

Good Luck,

Hany Farid					(1986 Honda Shadow DoD# -2)
From: eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Impact drivers
Date: 12 Oct 92 11:20:30 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
: In article <980@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com> jimwy@amtfocus.amt.gss.mot.com (Jim Wygralak) writes:
: >
: >I had (have) a similar dilemma.
: >Two of the four screws that hold the left rear cover on my CL360 engine
: >are quite frozen. The phillips heads were already partially stripped
: >from a previous bozon attempting to use the wrong size driver to remove
: >them.
: >
: >I got an impact driver.
: >
: >All I managed to do was finish stripping the heads out of the screws.
: >Yes, I used the right size bit.
: >
: >These appear to be steel screws threaded into an aluminum case.
: >Any suggestions how I get these puppies out of there?
: >I'd really like to be able to inspect that drive sprocket.
: 
: I'm surprised no one has posted the following technique yet:
: 
: Get a good hard steel flat bladed chisel (about a 1/4 to 3/8 inch wide blade)
: with a sharp blade, put the thing on the edge of the head of the screw (sort of
: at a tangent, but a little steeper) so that light taps with a hammer on the 
: chisel will cause the screw to rotate enough to break it loose. This technique
: may require a little practice but has proven invaluable on my old 1970 Kawasaki
: 100cc trail bike. Impact drivers stripped the heads out too.         
: 
: Neal Howard DoD#686 XLH-1200 
: ==============================

I've also had a lot of success with this method, surprises me every time, when it
works. For smaller screws a sharp centre-punch is also handy. You don't need
much of an angle on the head to get a large amount of torque when the hammer is
applied. Another top-tip (tm) for Phillips/Pozidrive is to smack the head
straight-on with something with a flat end, eg a square drive extenstion bar.
This sometimes restores the slot/slots enough to use a normal screw driver
or give a impact driver something to get hold of. I'm gradually replacing
or the cheese-head crap with SS Allen bolts, I've had enough of simple
maintenance tasks taking all bloody day because of a single shitty nut/screw/bolt.


-- 
_______________________________________________________________________
  Ian Harvey, University College Swansea         Too old to rock'n'roll
  eeharvey@uk.ac.swan.pyr                              Too young to die
                              '79 GS750E                              
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Winter Storage
Keywords: Help on winter storage
Organization: INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation, Naperville, IL
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 15:40:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.192753.19099@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> jjwong@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Joseph Wong) writes:
>It's getting to be that time of the year for some of us riders to store 
>our pride and joy (SOB SOB).  I was wondering if anyone had tips on self
>storage.  I have a CBR F2 and have the option of heated self-storage or
>having a local dealer store it for me.

Instead of paying $15-$20/month for storage, ride it down to the
balmy southeast, and let Ed Green care for your bike during the
winter months.  It'll be run regularly, mostly unscratched, and
he'll scuff all the "whiskers" off the side of your tires for you...

-- 
Jonathan E. Quist                              INTERACTIVE Systems Corporation
jeq@i88.isc.com  '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep", DoD #094        Naperville, IL
        There are many things a person should experience in a lifetime.
       Among them are an infant's first cry, and an infant's first laugh.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: eam@gumbee.mlb.semi.harris.com (Ed A. Mills)
Subject: Need to ship bike from Boston MA to FLA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:40:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Melbourne FL

I need to get a bike from Boston MA to somewhere near Orlando FL (or anywhere
in Florida, but the nearer to Orlando the better).  WOuld anyone recommend
a shipper or possible a train which could do this?  

Or better yet, is anyone coming that way with am empty rail on their trailer?  

It's a 650 Nighthawk.

Thanx
Ed
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Llamas and golf, anyone?
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:02:41 GMT
Expires: 25 Oct 92 05:00:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computervision

In article <1992Oct5.124955.15473@bnr.ca> space%bnr.ca (Scott Pace) writes:
>
>I heard mention on the radio this morning that some golf course in the U.S.
>(sorry, can't remember where) has a couple of llamas for use as caddies.
>
>Jeff, is this a new line of business for you that we don't know about?

Hasn't Yama(llama)ha had these out for years?  Did they whine a lot and
smell bad?


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
Back in the saddle - BONNE'S ALIVE          (617) 275-1800 x 4173
The street giveth and the street taketh away - Catmother
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Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: R100GS; Drive Splines, I DID IT
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:35:44 GMT

root@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.220046.625@halfdome.sf.ca.us> blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>>In article <1992Oct6.025544.24119@javelin.sim.es.com>, blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers) writes:
>>> ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) writes:

>>>>SUPPLEMENTAL INSTRUCTIONS TO THE  JOB OF REMOVING THE REAR DRIVE CASE
>>>>IN ORDER TO GREASE THE DRIVESHAFT SPLINES ON R100GS

>>> So Ron, is this where I'm not supposed to say "Gee, I sure wish I had
>>> one of those low maintenance shaft drive bikes." ?  :-)

>>blaine, the reason your bike doesnt have such long-term items on the
>>maintenence schedule is not because it doesn't need them.  its because
>>the marketing people hope their bikes will not last that long.  and,
>>y'know, they're RIGHT.

>When I saw Blaine's backhanded flame the first time, I just wrote him
>off as a sorehead, but Bob has said it so well ...

Sorehead? Not since the last time I fell of the DR250 on Salt Creek. :-)
No, just having a bit of fun at the expense of a couple of friends. It's
nice to see that bob hasn't lost his touch, though the actual use of
capital letters has me a bit concerned.


BTW, "Followup-To: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org" ? You're a newsgroup?
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland  blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  BIX:blaine_g
580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108           Favorite road signs:
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46             FJ1200   Winding Road Next 77 Miles
My other motorcycle is a Quadracer           Caution: Passing Areas Not Marked
From: kpm@druhi.ATT.COM (Kevin Malloy (DoD #106))
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: I got stopped today...
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:38:47 GMT
Distribution: rec

Here I was, driving home on I-25 in Denver, in the cage, cruising about 58
in the second lane from the left, rush-hour traffic, going with the flow.
I pass a cop, but so is most of the other traffic.

Some kid in a Civic gets so close to my rear bumper that, not only can I
not see their number plate, I can't see their grill.  I tap the brake,
the car moves to the left lane, and flies past me.  The cop moves to the
second lane from the left, turns on his bubble, and stops _me_.

He jumps out of his car and gives me a lecture for tapping my brakes,
says he could site me for "reckless driving."  I told him, nicely and
politely (since he has my insurance policy rates on the line), that I've
been asking people to get out of my tailpipe by tapping my brakes for
twenty years, and (OBMoto), I'm a biker, and cars frequently get much too
close to my rear wheel, and I frequently flash my taillamp by tapping my brakes
to ask people to back off.  I asked him, what should I do?  I was already
over the limit, I knew he was there and I wasn't about to accelerate,
and I couldn't move right because I would have cut him off.  He suggested
that I just slow down, but tapping the brakes just makes the tailgater mad.

So, I seem to recall being told in the ERC that tapping the brakes is a
reasonable way to ask the tailgater to backoff.  Isn't this a common 
practice?  Is it really "reckless driving?"

BTW, no ticket, but I can't believe he stopped me.  What's the wreck.moto
wisdumb on this?

					Cheers,
  					    Kevin

Kevin Malloy  kpm@druhi.att.com  AT&T Bell Labs, Denver  (303) 538-3511
633 E. 11th Ave.					 1991 BMW K75RT	  
Denver, CO  80203	I'm voting _NO_ on Colorado 	       DoD #106
(303) 830-2937	   Constitutional Amendment #2, Nov 3rd!
From: djm@morpheus.wustl.edu (David Maconochie)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: DEAF MOTORCYCLISTS
Date: 12 Oct 92 14:26:30 GMT
Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: morpheus.wustl.edu

eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey) writes:

>Heard on BBC radio 4 news last night: New BMA (British Medical Association)
>report says that over half of motorcyclists have suffered permanent
>hearing loss. Based on a survey of 100 bikers, the report claims that
>the impairment is caused by high levels of low frequency noise, ie wind
>noise, and not by engine noise. The report recommends the use of earplugs.

Not because they go loud parties and rock concerts?
-- 
--

David Maconochie
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:24:08 GMT
Organization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA

In article <1992Oct8.193131.24482@megatek.com>, randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
>   You left out: Have less power, are harder to steer in tight places, and
> weigh far more than is needed (IMHO); all of which is why I haven't expended
> |designed for.
> 
>   I've ridden an Electra-Glide, a Heritage Softail, a 1200 Sportster as well
> as the 883 model, and ONE *huge* full-size touring rig that I don't presently
> remember the name to (possibly a fat-boy, or whatever the name was).  [Before
> I ever ride something that slow and heavy, I'll buy a NICE muscle-car
> convertable for about the same price.]  You are free to interpret which one


By these criteria, a school bus shouldn't be allowed on the road.   Every
vehicle must be ridden within its own capabilities and the capabilities
of the rider.  For the novice rider, or the experienced rider changing
brands, a learning period is required in order to master and understand
the capabilities and limits of each bike/rider combination.   If this
is followed, then the chances are good that a safe combination of skills
to machine will be developed.  If not, then the chances of mishap are much
greater.  As near as I can tell, it doesn't matter what brand or style of
bike is selected by the novice rider; if they don't learn to master the
machine safely then they will probably screw up.

Terry

-- 
 | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | "You got, ahh say you got it all     |
 | DoD# 541   'Debunkers of Dogma'    |  wrong son"      Foghorn Leghorn     |
 | HIFI#                              |                                      |
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: The Lockheed Star FB-750 (fighter bike) (was: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleve
Date: 14 Oct 1992 14:12:19 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 27456@i88.isc.com, jeq@i88.isc.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>
>If, in fact, military spending is going to decrease (something about the
>Cold Ware being over), maybe you could persuade Lockheed to channel some
>development funds into producing a sportbike.  I imagine they'd be able
>to trot out some pretty impressive technology, if they cared to.

You bet they would!

They'd sub the engine out to Morton Thiakol
They'd sub the controls system out to Honneywell
They'd sub the electronics out to Hughes
They'd sub the frame out to Boeing

Lockheed would make their own fairing, radar-absorbing.
They'd also write the system control software.  In Ada.

It will take 8 years to develop, and cost $237K each.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...
From: shadow@pro-haven.cts.com (Blaine Hufnagle)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: saving a battery
Date: 11 Oct 92 05:46:03 GMT
Organization: ProLine [pro-haven] - Pariahs' Haven BBS, 409/693-8262, 9600-300

Well, here's the scoop.  The battery on my Vision is close to death.  It has
enough voltage present to run the ignition system, or to crank the bike, but
not both.  I can push-start the bike with little difficulty, but not only
does it get a little annoying after a while, but it is also embarrassing.

The clincher is this:  Should I just bite the bullet and buy a new battery or
is there any way I can save this old one for another couple of weeks until
the fundage is better equipped to handle the expense of a battery?

-blaine

-blaine   a.k.a. The Midnight Shadow    |  1979 Chevy Urban Assault Vehicle
Texas Aggie Bus Driver and proud of it! |  1982 Thomas Transit Liner bus
Another Bodybuilder from HELL!!         |  1982 Yamaha Vision   DoD #7192
        "Mine is not to wonder why, Mine is but to look and cry....."

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: manes@magpie.nycenet.edu (Steve Manes)
Subject: Re: Harley Fashionable == Deaths
Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:41:18 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Randy Davis (randy@ninja.megatek.uucp) wrote:
: In article <BvpIrp.JsF@cmptrc.lonestar.org> neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) writes:
: |I'll betcha the stats show something like this:
: |
: |    CrotchRockets == ManyMoreDeathsThanHarley == NotCoincidence
: 
:   I'll take that bet.  The stats show that the death rate for HD is higher
: for miles traveled by each type of bike.

Care to post the source and citation of these "stats"?  They're at serious
odds with those quoted by my insurance agent in Bridgeport, Cycle Insurance.
I pay fifty bucks more in liability for my K75s than I do for my FLHS...
same rider, same insurer.  I don't want to think what I would have to shell
out for a ZX11.  The fact that Harleys are so damned expensive tends to
ensure a more mature, more experienced rider base with fewer squid kids,
the latter of whom are most at risk.

Granted, theft insurance is much higher for Harleys but this shouldn't
be surprising because HD supply can't keep up with demand and because
Harleys are so chop-shop-friendly.
-- 
Stephen Manes					   manes@magpie.nycenet.edu
Manes and Associates/Commontech-NoHo		   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o
From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: VX800
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:03:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Oct13.210317.5115
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

David Campbell (dcampbel@timshel.austin.ibm.com):
>This weekend I was browsing at the Suzuki shop and saw a bike that
>caught my eye -- the VX800.  It seemed sorta-kinda unique -- a
>standard, but somewhat sporty, but with a V twin (probably the
>same one that's on the Intruder 800) and shaft drive.  It looked
>something like a Hawk, but bigger.

One of my MSF instructors had(has) one of these, and he liked the heck out of
it. I've been seriously considering one myself (that or a Honda CX650 --
anyone have a spare one lying around?). Very sporty, but not a sport bike in
the GSXR sense at all (at least in styling) -- anyone seen any reviews in the
rags? I suspect that, like the Kawi Zephyr (or whatever they're calling it now
that they can't call it that), it's probably falling through the cracks in the
company's marketing -- a good thing, I think, as it should make the dealers
more willing to deal. 

For those who need a better picture of the bike, it looks almost exactly like
the 81-83(?) GS1100E, only with a V Twin instead of an inline four.

_____________________________________________________________________________
Dan Bidwa                             I believe nothing and in nothing.
dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu       !disclaim!   I believe everything and in everything.
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Almost had it stolen tonite!
Reply-To: fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson)
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:49:12 GMT

In article <164.2ADA4C7F@kennel.FIDONET.ORG>, john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG
(John Hamilton) writes:
|> Monday October 12 1992 15:14, Brice Dowaliby wrote to All:
|> 
|>  >> a clip of 9mm into a drug-user and eventually said perpetrator
|> bled to
|>  >> death, but not before beating shit out of police officer.
|> 
|>  BD> Does this belong in alt.folklore.urban?  I don't believe
|> anyone,
|>  BD> PCP or not, beats the shit out of a cop after taking a *clip*
|> of
|>  BD> 9mm (maybe, if the clip only had 1 bullet in it).
|> 
|> Apparently you do not know as much as you think you do. It happened,
|> whether
|> you read the newspaper or not. Perhaps you've spent too much time
|> reading
|> alt.folklore.urban instead of newspapers and news magazines?
|> 
|> John
|> 
 Actually the US Army found out that the .38 did not
have adequate stopping power during the Moro rebellion
in the Phillipines so they adopted the .45ACP. Now
considering that the 9mm and .38Special have the same
ballistics when fired FROM A CLOSED BREACH TEST WEAPON
they must have a problem with "retention" or are planning
for future purchases and further new stuff. BTW talk with
a Viet Vet who spent anytime on a fwd fire base and see
how many rounds of 5.56mm it would take to knock down
a high sapper, the only one round stopper in that case
was a claymore at 20 feet or 2 rounds from a .50 or a
105 beehive. Little fast holes dont do anything unless
its a head shot, big slow ones transfer energy better.
Any idea how far a 9mm or 357 goes after it passes through
a person without hitting bone, its good for another 2 or
3 walls minimum in an average apartment house.

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in the same store.
From: dbc@po.cwru.edu (Dean Cookson)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Harley Outperforms ZX11, Film at Eleven
Followup-To: rec.motorcycles
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:32:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: b62003.student.cwru.edu

In article <1992Oct13.110610.16328@husc3.harvard.edu>,
zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) wrote:
> 
> Well, too bad for them then.  I think a manufacturer ought to adapt to the
> demands of the market, not the other way around.  As evidenced by the
> number of people still trying to race their agrarian machinery, Harley
> loses a lot of customers by not building sport bikes.  I think even the
> factory has come to recognize this by instituting the 883 racing class, and
> making a lot of noise concerning their perennial race bike development
> efforts.

Uh, HD sells every bike they make, each year.  It sounds to me like
they have a pretty good idea about what their market is.  Does
any other manufacturer sell out their entire product line every 
year?

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