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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG "The Next Phase" SPOILERS!!
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 14:54:07 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.182027.721@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> pjm6z@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Dave Lister) writes:

>>In article <1992Sep3.125510.8167@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>>>
>>>-	How was Picard involved in Jack Crusher's death?
>>
>>He was, quite simply, in charge of the away team which Jack Crusher was
>>part of when he was snuffed out.
>>
>BZZZZZTTTTT!  Wrong answer.  Read the TNG Hardcover _Reunion_ and the death
>of Jack Crusher is explained.  It has nothing to do with an away team.


BZZZTT!  Wrong answer.  Novelizations carry no weight as they are
strictly non-canonical.  They have no basis in TNG "fact" (on-screen
evidence, that is) and are merely the speculative musings offered by one
author.  Until someone explicitly states something about Jack Crusher's
fate in an actual episode, we'll never know how Picard was involved in
his death.


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From: gbloom@zeus.calpoly.edu (Dark Elf (Gregg Bloom))
Subject: Re: Premiere explicitly scheduled
Keywords: _Time's_Arrow_II_ or maybe _Fruit's_Bananna_ ??          stealth.sig
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1992 17:29:38 GMT

Yet again, dkrause@miami.acs.uci.edu (Doug Krause) moans:
>In article <1992Sep05.045058.162196@zeus.calpoly.edu> gbloom@zeus.calpoly.edu (Dark Elf) writes:
>#It's advertised on KTLA (channel 13 in L.A.) for the 21st...  Correct me if
>#I'm wrong, though...
>
>You're wrong.  Channel 13 is KCOP.  :-)  Also, shouldn't it be for
>Wednesday the 23rd?  Has Ch 13 changed nights on us again?
>
Yeah...  I realized I was wrong about the station after watching a station
ident. on it...  Sorry.  
At any rate... it is confirmed that it will be broadcast MONDAY in the L.A.
area... and I believe the time is the same... 9:00 pm.  Once again...
correct me if I'm wrong.



-- 
Dark Elf                                            gbloom@hebe.calpoly.edu
			         		        drow@rever.nmsu.edu
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
					- Jack Handey
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From: THALL@vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA (Tom Hall)
Subject: Re: Jeff Stryker in ST: TNG?
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 00:54:58 GMT

00rrchorzemp@bsu-ucs.uucp writes:

> Yes, He's Replacing Frakes as Riker...  With Riker's
> rep., Stryker is DEFINATELY the better actor for the
> part ;^)  Besides, all Jeff has to do is drop the first
> two letters of his last name....Hmm.... Maybe We'll
> finally get to see some of those steamy love scenes
> that Riker has with anything Humanoid, beautiful, and
> even *thinks* it's female!! ;^)

Er.. well... Stryker's apparently done mostly gay pornos... :)

My source for the rumour also indicated that Stryker and Data would have
an affair, and that the producers were also going to introduce two
lesbian crew members as well.
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: STVI
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:07:26 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <1992Sep8.181245.13819@njitgw.njit.edu> crl0195@hertz.njit.edu (Curt R Lindmark) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.110422.5157@gw.wmich.edu> 91babik@gw.wmich.edu (Lisamarie Gemma Babik) writes:
>>In article <24660@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, cmiller@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Catherine Miller) writes:
>>> In one episode of ST:TNG, I heard Troi referred to as "Sir".  Does any
>>> one know why "sir" instead of "ma'am"?0

>>Because she is an officer, and presumably Star Fleet is the military.  All
>>officers are referred to as "Sir."

>Technically, Star Fleet is not a military service, it is an exploration 
>service.  They use a miltaristic chain of command becuase that is the most
>effective in a "hot" situation.  They are also trained in "military" matters
>becuase sooner or later those skills are going to be needed.

I disagree.  The organization is defined not, I believe, by what it *claims*
to be, but by what it *does*.  Starfleet *is* the functional military arm of
the Federation.  That may not be its main purpose, but it *is* one of its
purposes, as we have seen time and again in *both* series where Starfleet is
essentially the *only* arm of the Federation which engages in war.

Starfleet *is* a military organization.  Moreover, a lot of its organization
is based on 20th century military institutions.

(Picard has claimed that Starfleet is not a military organization.  I find this
statement impossible to reconcile in any productive way with Starfleet's
actions in TNG, and tend to look at it as either Picard spouting Starfleet
propaganda, or else just some wishful thinking and denial on his part.)

>								The usage of 
>"sir" really has to do addressing someone holding a higher rank than yourself,
>just as "Mr." can be used to address someone of a lower rank.

Sort of like all those lieutenants in Trek Classic referring to Spock as
"Mr. Spock", even though he was a commander?

>								Gender never
>plays a part.  E.G.: In The Kobiyashi Maru scenario in Star Trek II: TWOK, 
>Spock refers to Saavik as "Mr. Saavik", even though Saavik is a woman.

I agree that gender never plays a part, but I disagree with the reason.
I've generally heard that the creators of ST2 inserted it because it is (I
think) conventional in the navy and they saw Starfleet (rightly so, IMO) as
being the 23rd century navy of the Federation (i.e., a military organization).

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"Go?  Where are we going?"
"Where they went."
"Suppose they went nowhere?"
"Then, this will be your big chance to get away from it all."
			- McCoy and Kirk; Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan
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From: muh@physics1 (Yury M. Mukharsky)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Leningrad reference in Star Trek 4
Date: 10 Sep 1992 03:38:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world,local
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <9SEP199204103670@misvax.mis.arizona.edu> stapleton@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Dr. Ross Alan Stapleton) writes:

Popular drawing here says: "Welcome to Leningrad (former Berkeley)".

So nobody of guys have not got it.

Yury
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Plots for 2 shows
Date: 5 Sep 92 03:08:18 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1992Sep4.232521.3083@wdl.loral.com>, trw@spl1 (Tim R Witort) writes:
>I missed a couple of episodes and need a brief plot description for:

Here's all you need to know (IMHO):

>1) Imaginary Friend

Lame.  Lame, lame, lame.

>2) Cost of Living

Lamest.  Toxic waste.  Avoid at all cost.  Level 1 isolation protocol.

-- 
Dave Schaumann			dave@cs.arizona.edu
From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Was TOS really that bad? (Re: TOS actors)
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:29:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.rawdon.716405354
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <kromtigr.03dx@redorc.chi.il.us> kromtigr@redorc.chi.il.us (Ultrachrome Cowboy) writes:
>In article <1992Aug30.211629.19796@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>>I agree.  And, actually, even TNG's SFX aren't always that good.  (The
>>starships, for instance, look flagrantly unrealistic; they LOOK like special
>>effects.  The Trek Classic Enterprise really looked *real* I thought.)

>Have you ever seen what a real starship looks like?  I don't recall seeing any.

You're right; bad word choice on my part.  I meant *realistic*.  I've seen
plenty of *realistic* starships (i.e., images thereof), and TNG's ones don't
rank among them.

> No offense, but I think that they look pretty good, considering the fact that
>we have nothing really to compare it to in real life.  They use the same
>techniques as in the movies.

What are they doing wrong in TNG then??? :-)

-- 
Michael Rawdon				 rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Department, Madison, WI

"I think that (one of) TNG's problems is that it considers lacking action,
 humor and character interplay to be interchangable with cerebral (just like
 it often considers civility and lack of conflict interchangable with
 friendship)."
			- Atsushi Kanamori on rec.arts.startrek, 7 July 1991
From: jam@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Scotty's return:  What rank?
Date: 8 Sep 92 22:55:03 EDT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

In article <Sep.7.22.35.37.1992.22933@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, rchen@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ronald K. Chen) writes:
> Anyone taking bets on what rank Mr. Scott will have when he returns
> to TNG?  By my observation, he was a commander in TWOK, a captain in TSFS,
> a commander again in TVH, and a captain again in TFF and TUC.

I believe he was a commander and chief engineer in all the movies, except
any time he may have been suspended after the events in TSFS.
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From: rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Subject: Re: Guest Appearance
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:51:51 GMT

Leta Dally <U47248@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

>I just came back from the Stratford, Ontario Shakespeare Festival
>and noticed that one of the actors, Alan Scarfe looked familiar.
>When I checked his credits I found that he listed STNG.  Does
>anyone out there know what epidsode he was in and what character he
>played?  Thanks.

   Certainly.  Alan Scarfe appeared in the 4th season episode
"Data's Day".  He played Admiral Mendak, the commander of the
Romulan warbird which the Enterprise meets for the alleged
peace talks...

RC Carman


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Subject: grrr!
From: litt@wittenberg.edu
Date: 14 Sep 92 22:59:57 -0400
Organization: Wittenberg University

Will someone please email me and tell me how to use the kill function
on newsrc?  I've been trying to kill a few topics and it is ignoring me
We now return to the usual schedueled mess of un startrek stuff on this
channel.

						thanks!
						marcia litt
						litt@wittenberg.edu
        *don't mind me - i'm new here*
From: feiges@cae.wisc.edu (Howard Feiges)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9 rumor
Date: 8 Sep 92 21:42:11 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

Hello people - its Howard Feiges here........

This might be a spoiler about DS9 so


(I hope that worked....  if not - well, sorry aout this...)

Okay, I heard from several sources now that in star trek: deep space nine
that the captain (or whateveR) - Cisco of the base by the wormhole has
animosity (if thats the right word) towards Jean Luc Picard because 
he lost his wife in the big battle between the Federation and the Borg
ship that Locutus was on.....   Is this true???

I also hear that Patrick Stewert is going to be in the premiere episode
of Deep Space Nine......  Is that true?????

Just wondering.....  thanx

Howard Feiges
(feiges@cae.wisc.edu 
or
feiges@picard.cs.wisc.edu
)

TPK
From: steve@jetslag.cam.org (Steve Perkins)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re:  The Borg are here!!!
Date: 13 Sep 92 00:44:58 GMT
X-Original-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 92 16:31:16 EST

> Even worse, here in Boulder we have both Borg Engineering, and Borg Realty. 
> Aaah!  Not Borg Realtors!  Can you imagine?
>
> Property value is irrelevant
> Private ownership is irrelevant
> Your property will be assimilated
>
> Kellie

Well I know where they get their body-suits: from Borg Textiles here in
Montreal. Get this: it's a mobile unit! Probably a scout-sized ship.

--
Steve Perkins
steve@jetslag.cam.org
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Synthehol
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: r.a.s.current, Ferengus
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 03:42:25 GMT

Somebody asked what "synthehol" is.

I can supply an explanation, and at the same time point out something
I think is rather neat, a case where something first seen in the novels
was picked up in the shows.

Well sort of anyway.  We've heard of the stuff in the show several times,
and clearly from those contexts it is substitute for alcohol, but 
the series itself hasn't explained the difference between synthehol and
real alcohol.  However, since the stuff was first mentioned (I believe)
in a Next Gen novel, I don't have any qualms at accepting its creator's
definition for it as canon and official, especially as there's been
nothing in the series itself to contradict the definition.

I first saw the word come up in Peter David's quite excellent book
"Strike Zone."  It has all the effects of real alcohol, but with one
significant difference, the tipsy or drunken person can shut the
effects off at will just by thinking "I want to be sober."  And
suddenly the person is, without any hangover or aftereffects.  
Peter tells us it was invented by the Ferengi.  They would sit down at
a bar with a potential customer and have some drinks, each getting
stupidly drunk.  Then at the point where the Ferengi thought the
customer was sufficiently intoxicated so as to agree to just about any
offer or price asked for, the Ferengi would suddenly will himself
sober, and deal with a drunk person perfectly clean and sober, robbing
the poor sod blind.  

Neat, isn't it?

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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Subject: Re: _War_Drums_ Review: *SPOILERS*
Organization: IUPUI
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 17:20:18 EST

In article <1992Sep15.195240.2497@u.washington.edu>
rene@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte) writes:
 
>RE:  _War Drums_
>
>   Good, somebody else here agrees with me.  I picked up _War Drums_
>to go through on a plane trip, and like almost every other Pocket Book
>of Dreck I've had a look at recently, it sucked.  I also had the
>misfortune to pick up _A Flag Full of Stars_  (even worse than War
                       ----------------------
 
You need to have someone send you Brad Ferguson's note about this
book when it was released...very enlightening and it explains a
lot about the ST novel mentality.  But on the whole, the TNG novels
are better than the TOS novels.
 
>   My biggest objection to the Pocket trek I've read is that the
>writers don't seem to give a damn about the quality of the writing.  I
>happened to be reading a Ray Bradbury novel around the time I read War
>Drums and the contrast between the two was killing me...
 
Again, read Brad's mailings (if a kind soul will dig them up for you)...
then you'll see why the writing is so inconsistent.
 
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From: jmr5125@tamsun.tamu.edu (James Reed)
Subject: Re: The Borg are here!!!
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:50:21 GMT

In article <25@freddyk.uucp> Tom@freddyk.uucp (Thomas Langenback) writes:

>This explains what I saw the last time I went to visit my father.  About 1/2
>mile from his house, there's a place called "BORG Compressed Steel".  I would
>assume that this is actually where  building thier ships!  And they're
>building them with metal that THEY'VE BOUGHT FROM US!!

What, they are actually using /American/ products!  This is stunning!  Just 
think of the positive effects of supplying the Borg with ALL there materials
for ship building!  We might be able to eliminate the trade deficit...

jmr5125@tamsun.tamu.edu

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From: torresce@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Carlos E. Torres)
Subject: Re: ST: TNG- The Next Phase
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:42:16 GMT

goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:

>Hi. Not meaning to start a discussion already done to death,
>but, over the weekend I was watching this episode with my
>6 year old daughter. About half way through she turns to me
>and says, 'but mommy, why don't they just fall through the
>floor?'. After having read all the discussion when the episode
>first aired, I almost fell through the floor laughing. 8-)

Maybe the artificial gravity impedes them somehow - it's how I 
explained it to myself.  :)

	Mystic

(alex.soto@analog.com)

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From: keller@utkvx2.utk.edu (Keller, Norman)
Subject: Re: Transfigurations Actor (-tress)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:25:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.181516.12090@news.mentorg.com>, michael_robbins@mentorg.com writes...
>I just saw a rerun of Transfigurations ( i think) and was very taken by what
>appeared to be a guest role by Julie Warner.  She played Geordie's love
>interest ... Ms. Christy something....
> 
>Unfortunately, I did not tape it and missed the intro.  Was this indeed her
>(Doc Hollywood, Ms. Saturday Night)?  If not, who is she?
> 
>Thanks for clearing my brain...
> 
>Mick

Yes, this was Julie Warner on "Transfigurations" who played Geordi's
girlfriend. Actually, she had appeared on STTNG before, same season
(3rd) but in the episode "The Booby Trap". In the beginning of this
episode Geordie and she are sitting on a beautiful beach during
sunset (on the holodeck, of course).


Norman Keller aka Stormin' Norman, University of Tennessee, Knoxville
e-mail: keller@utkvx.utk.edu, phone: (615)574-4794
=====================================================================
"Even logic must give way to physics." - Spock in STAR TREK VI -
                                         The Undiscovered Country
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Subject: Re: ST:DSN Cast Announced
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 13:54:21 PDT
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

kennedy_j@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:

> In article <z9lnvxp@lynx.unm.edu>, haro@carina.unm.edu (    KANEDA) writes:
> >ARE ALL THE BEST LEADERS BALD?????
> >
> >
> >RICK
> >
> Relating this to real life for a moment:
> Our Prime Minister has a full head of hair...hmmm
> In answer to you question:
> Yeah the best ones are bald...
> <grin>
> 
> Hang on a second!!!!!!!!!
> Are you saying Capt. James T Kirk was NOT a good leader????
> 
> Wash your mouth out with soap! Blasphemy!!!!
> :-)
> 
> JAK
> 

No, Capt. James T. Kirk wore a hairpeice.  No blasphemy there.  Although
maybe he would have been better had he taken that rug off.  :)


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From: IQTI400@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (macphil)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: times arrow ii info
Date: 15 Sep 92 02:52:44 GMT
Organization: IUPUI

In article <1992Sep14.3208.10710@dosgate>
milan.rezac@canrem.com (milan rezac) writes:
 
>SPOILER WARNING:
>  The following message contains a more or less complete
>  spoiler for Time's Arrow II, written by a person who claims
>  to have read the script.  I merely cross-post it here.
>  Moreover, I have _not_ read it, so please do not ask me
>  about more details...
 
You don't read this newsgroup, do you?  This was just posted
(probably verbatim) just within the last week or two...how 'bout
something new for a change?
 
 
 
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From: amcmicha@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Andrew McMichael)
Subject: ncc1701/d
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:20:27 GMT

What class starship is the Enterprise-D?  Just curious. Thanks.




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From: cs202144@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs202144)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Data's cat
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:01:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus

Personally I would have liked for the cat to be named Mystery, but they would
NEVER allow that since the book Metamorphasis used that for the cat's name.
Of course the cat in the book was a ship roamer, but at the end of the book
you sorta think it becomes Data's.
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: ST Concordence
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:57:36 GMT

In article <4N3NqB4w164w@kryton.UUCP> ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead) writes:
>rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>
>> Allan Asherman's _Star_Trek_Compendium_ (to my knowledge the best readily-
>> available Trek Classic source available, given that the _Concordance_ is
>> *not* readily available to most people, including yours truly) has an
>> appendix which lists the air dates of all Trek Classic episodes.  The main
>> listings for all episodes are given in production order (though I forget how
>> "production order" is defined, since many episodes were not finished in 
>> postproduction in the same order that filming began).

><Slapping Forehead-sounds of unused braincells rattling around>
>Ahh yes, of course, the Concordance!!  Yes, I do have one of those.
><Spinning the little wheel, finding the Man Trap....going to the page>
>Oh well, it lists the shows in "broadcast" order.  The Man Trap
>9/8/66.  Well back to the drawing board.  I'm going to go under the
>assumption that the Starlog episode guide is in production order,
>much like the Compendium.  Yeah, that Concordance is handy.  Worth
>a few bucks so I hear.  I've an original Tech. Manuel too.  Married to 
>a long time Trekker.  I guess you could call it a dowry.  :)  Can guys
>have a dowry??  Ahh what's a little Trek memorobilia betweem spouses? :)


Ha.  I've got a Concordance as well.  Think my parents got it for me as
a birthday present when I was about 10 or 11.  I see that the cover
price is $4.95.  I think it's substantially more valuable now.  Anybody
got any ideas on worth?  [Of course, I'd never get rid of the thing.
It's better to have a collectable than to part with it for a few bucks.]


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