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From: vivek@ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Bangalore and IIT's
Date: 30 Dec 92 05:58:02 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <138450002@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com> sreeni@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (K. Sreenivasan) writes:
>Bangalore has at last made the San Jose Mercury News in a big way.  It
>was the subject of two articles one on Monday by Michael Zielenziger and the
>editorial on Dec. 28.  Bangalore is an anglicised transliterated
>phrase for "Boiled Bean Town" in Kannada; I am happy it made it big.  
>I am certain Bangalore's fame has nothing to do with the fact that there 
>are no IIT's in Bangalore!!!


Well there is indeed an IIT in Bangalore. Its full form is the Islamiah
Institure Of Technology.


>
>Krishnamachar Sreenivasan.
>
>(University College of Engineering, 1957
>Indian Institute of Science, 1959)


Regards,
Vivek.

-- 
vivek@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu (Vivek R. Prabhu),
Research Assistant, Systems Engineering Lab., Dept. Of Computer Science, 
School Of Engineering, Computer Science And Technology,
California State University, Chico, California.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,alt.config
From: narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana)
Subject: Re: ......  why a new group is needed ........
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:22:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.035835.11827@cs.wayne.edu> seeta@eng.wayne.edu writes:
>
>What is included below is just another post - whether for or agaisnt --
>on creation of new newsgroups...
>
>Nothing new ever pops out from these posts.  But I have something new
>which incidentally can be used as ``pro-new-newsgroups''...
>
>My experience with the mailing list for telugu speaking people ...
>
>(which is still running fine, because a lot of people dont have access to usenet,
>especially the people in orgns stupid enough to buy IBM mainframes and AS/400s)
>
>..... was real bad.  So will others who have used it.  A conversation or dialogue
>is next to impossible.  Lastly, the mail arrives only when the moderator feels
>sufficent accumulation has occured...
>
>So..........................
>
>Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
>(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
>

A clarification! Telugu list is not moderated. I only edit the digest
and put together the digest! By editing, I do not perform the role
of a moderator. I do not in any manner exercise my views in setting
the tone of discussions. We try to avoid (and successfully avoided)
caste based discussions, and also the Hindu-Muslim hate.
The membership of our Telugu list is a very intelligent and extremely
accomadating group of individuals. They exercise moderation on their 
own basis. I have not come across a single occasion in which I had to 
intervene as an editor. That is simply a tribute to our membership.
By insisting on members selfmoderation, we have been able to achieve
a lot in the form of discourse! Sometimes it does help, if one can
write a response immediately. Usenet allows that. But a delay in writing
permits a seasoned thinking, and more importantly allows the exchange
of thoughtful ideas than emotional responses. Digests are simply
useful was of serious exchange of views when the membership regards
that as an study forum for understanding.

Usenet groups are being used for propaganda and disinformation
purposes and not as study fora. That is the fundamental problem
with forming a news group. By having a list, one avoids that
possibility. Remember one thing all the time. The editor of the
digest is very important. His commitment and integrity to
maintain the ethics of the forum, and the notion of freedom
of expression (of course insisting that it be moderated)
are very important for the success of the digests.

...kt

PS: In only one or two occasions, I edited the text of some notes
of member(s) so that it conveys the essense of his(their) thoughts
and at the same time is more pleasant. So sweet are our Telugu list
members who are Indians first.
From: niraj@carson.u.washington.edu (Niraj Agarwal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Info on American companies in India
Date: 2 Jan 93 20:44:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1i4us4INNos9
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu

I was looking for information on American computer companies with 
operations in India. 

Let me know if you have such a list. 

Thanks. 

niraj@u.washington.edu
From: fall217@cse.unl.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Moslems!
Date: 26 Dec 1992 17:32:01 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

 

 I am surprised with your logical mistakes.
 the conclussion you have drawn do not match with the data available.  

Take examples of Israel and muslims, and see the UN resulotion every body knows
who is on the right side.  Dont you think the ethanic violence against forgner in Germany is against Turks only jewes are also victem.  Why do you think 
that muslims are responcible for the violence in Germany ? Are you saying that 
Jews were responcible for the holocast?

Iraq and others> every body knows that Saddam is the head of Bath party which 
was founded by three Christians I remember one name Michle Aflaq.  Tariq Aziz
 the key player of the war game is a Christian.  Bath party is made to transfer power to a crupt, inti-islam party with the help of British. 

Bosnia every one even Jews are supporting muslims because they are the victems
 of the aggression.  President of jew organization in Bosnia- Hatzgovina said
 that: ( message international) 
we are thankfull to the muslims who gave us refuge 500 years ago and for a lone time this was the safest place for jews in the whole Europe.
	That is why a Jew as announced 60 million $ as an aid to BHG.  Israel 
publically supported the cause of Bosnin Muslims.
	Why did not you include Egypt, algeria, tunis in the list of most crul goverment because they are persecuting muslims as Iraqi goverment did in the obediance of forgne masters.

I will say that why you did not include the problems b/w
		 tamil and sri lanka 
e		 India and sikh
		 China and india
		 China and Pro democretic ....		
		china  and tibet
		India and Nepal
		India and ( sever pro indepandent movements like kashmities)
		cicvil wars in south east asia
		1 south and north koria
		2 vetnames
		combodia
		
this list is part of the list wich is very long to be finished in one sitting.  considering USA, soput America, Africa, euroup etc I will say that you have been dishonest with your information.
	Most of the crises you mentioned have the roots in the colonization. 
It will take time to be normalize the relationships strained by the " divide and rule".
One question for you Who have killed more people in this century ?           

 Yes muslims are spread all over the world so it is quite possible that they
may be arround when some people droped the little boy over Heroshima in the 
2nd WW.  But to make responcible the oppressed for a oppression is a new 
trand but why the writer wrote this stupid kind of theory in the Soc.culture.indian ?  Does it mean some thing?   think .

syed.
			


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: preacher@who-knows-it-all
Subject: So You Think You Need A New Newsgroup?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Minnesota CIS
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 18:10:00 GMT

The purpose of this mailing is not  to flame anybody or hurt
any feelings.  

The ongoing discussion on the creation of  "alt.culture.bengali"
news group got me thinking.  I have never quite understood why some
of us have this insatiable yearning for a separate newsgroup
based on  our regionalism, language, religion etc.  Once we have
built these artificial walls all around us, will this trend stop?
I guess not, for then the more "enterprising"(read "short-sighted", 
insecure, etc.) among us will find some new excuses to seek separate
identity, may be based on the foods we eat, cars we drive, clothes 
we wear, which side of the bed we rise in the morning from, etc. 
ad nauseoum.

Folks, let us avoid this silliness.  Among its many flaws, one of the
charms of a forum like s.c.i. is it lets us share our rich backgrounds
with our brothers and sisters from India.   From postings on famous writers,
folktales, local customs, we enrich our mind and soul.  Readers will recall
those gems of contributions from our literary guru C.P. Ravikumar, most of
which were based on the south Indian writers.  It would not be an exaggeration
to state that we have learned more about our India through such
encounters after coming to the USA than we ever would have hoped to 
learn in India(unless of course one travelled for a living).
For this reason, it pained me to see the creation of derivatives of 
s.c.i., like soc.culture.tamil(to give an example).  
At a time when the need of the hour is unity, 
we can not afford to highlight our imaginary "differences".
By having a newgroup like s.c.t. you are sending out a message, we are not
interested in what you have to say and we can't be of interest to you.
( I remember seeing a s.c.i. poster who was recently chided for having cross
posted to s.c.t.!!!).  I think there is plenty of room for all Indians (and
those interested in India) to post on s.c.i.  From this mutual exchange
of ideas, thoughts, concerns, etc. we all can benefit.  For e.g., who 
knows a call for help for visa info from some one from one part of India
may be answered by an Indian belonging to a totally different part.  And
the same may apply(god forbid :-)) to a call for matrimonial.  

The world knows not and cares little which part of India we are from.
The results of fostering Hindu-Muslim-Sikh differences are transparent to 
all of us.  We blame these problems in India on the illiterate, unfortunate
masses.  However we are the so called literate people.  What is our
excuse!?!.  Let us learn to forget whatever differences we may have and 
instead draw strength from each other!

Remember: United We Stand and Divided We Fall.

Let us all say "NO" to new newsgroups.

-Thinker.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: raj@rbhatnagar.csm.uc.edu (Raj Bhatnagar)
Subject: Muslims and Vande Mataram
Organization: Univ of Cincinnati
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:56:39 GMT

In article <1go1e9INN70e@pollux.usc.edu> brao@pollux.usc.edu (Bapa Rao) writes:

>Muslim leaders' opposition to Vande Mataram is related to
>the association of that song with the novel Ananda Math 
>by Bankim Chandra Chaterjee in which the author proposes
>an alliance of Hindus and the British to defeat the Muslims.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This description of the story is  not correct. "Anand Math" was a
sanctuary of patriots who wanted to free their land, which they
referred to as the "mother", from the foreign rulers. The plot of the 
story centers more around the robbers who seemed to be very common
those days. The interaction among the robbers, plot-characters, and
police take place in the backdrop of the situation of the Anand Math. 
I don't think there was any significant character in the story representing
either the Muslim or the British rulers.

The leader of the Ananda Math, Satyananda(?), does refer to the strength
of the natives as the Hindu Power and talks of building up the Hindu
strength at many places in the story, but his references to the enemy 
allude equally to the British and the Muslim rulers of that time.
There is no effort towards an alliance with the British
against the Muslims, as your source seems to suggest. (But then I had
read the book more that 12 years ago and may not recall some minor
allusions made at some places in the story)

Though, I remember that at the end of the story Satyananda has realized 
that he has failed in his mission due to the weakness of character 
of his associates and is crying with tears in his eyes. He stresses at
this point that for any movement to succeed, the characters of the people
involved in the movement are very important.
The mysterious "Maha-Purush" who appears at this 
time tells him not to worry because the Muslim rule is almost ending,
and even though the British rule is consolidating, he (the Mahapurush) 
does not think that it (the British rule) will be bad for India. But 
Satyananda is dejected because he will not be able to save his "mother" land
from the British.

The story of Ananda Math considers both, the Muslim rulers of that time 
and the British rulers, as representing foreign rules. You may have objection
to this notion but I don't think there was any thing significant in the 
story that can be seen as uniting the British and the Hindus against the 
Muslims.

>This information of mine comes from Nirad Chaudhary's
>Autobiography of an Unknown Indian.  
>
>Thus, while the song itself seems pretty innocent (to me
>at any rate) Muslims may see anti-Muslim connotations.
>
> 
>Perhaps some knowledgeable Bengali or Muslim can comment
>on this. 
>

Well, I am neither a Bengali, and nor a Muslim - I hope you don't
mind my commenting on it! :-)

>Bapa Rao

---raj




Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dea@jec316.its.rpi.edu (Anirban De)
Subject: BBC News: PVNR survives no-confidence
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:00:45 GMT


Source: BBC World News
Time:  10 am EST (15:00 GMT), December 21,1992
Country:  India

The government of PV Narsimha Rao has survived the no-confidence
motion brought to the Parliament today. The voting was 344 in 
favor of the govt.and 106 against. A B Vajpaye, the leader of the
BJP brought the motion. 

Earlier today, Mr.Vajpaye broke his hunger strike and came to the 
Parliament. He broke it when the Home Minister S. B. Chavan assured
in the Upper house of Parliament that the government would ease
restrictions on the BJP. Mr. Chavan announced that the party will
be allowed to hold meetings in indoor venues provided the number
of persons attending such meetings does not exceed the capacity of
the halls. 

The Home minister also said that the govt. would not arrest former 
members of the banned organisations provided they gave written 
assurance to the govt. that they have severed all links with 
such organizations.

Anirban De
dea@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: dbose@aem.umn.edu (Deepak Bose)
Subject: Re: Can GOI rebuild the mosque?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:34:59 GMT

sens@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Sunando Sen) writes:

>>
>>	I AM NOT CONSTITUTIONAL PUNDIT , BUT I CAN STILL 
>>
>>	PREDICT THAT IF GOI REBUILDS THE MASJID  ,
>>
>>	THE INCIDENT OF DEC 06 WILL BE REPEATED 
>>
>>	AGAIN WITH A LOSS OF ANOTHER THOUSAND LIVES .
>>
>>
>>	JAI SRI RAM
>>
>>	JAI HIND
>>
>>				DEEPAK

>Dear Deepak,

>I have following your recent flood of postings with some interest.  It
>seems that one of the Shift keys of keyboard is stuck, or else you have
	   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	   I DIDN'T EXPECT A MORON LIKE YOU TO OBSERVE

	   ANYTHING ELSE IN MY ARTICLES .

>inadvertently left the Caps Lock key on.  You must be using one of those 
>abominations manufactured by Sun or Dec.  On the other hand, I am pleased
>to see that you keep the width of your text reasonably *narrow*.  Not many 
>people seem to realise that some of us have to deal with screens only 80 
>columns wide.  Keep up with your narrowcasts! :-)


	TALK SOMETHING OF RELEVANCE OR GET YOUR

	FILTHY NOSE OUT OF MY BUSINESS .

			UNDERSTAND !!!!



>Fond regards,

>Sunando Sen


      GOOD LUCK
      DEEPAK
From: skaveti@ra.cs.umb.edu (Savita Kaveti)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Dual citizenship for NRIs
Date: 1 Jan 93 17:19:18 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston
Originator: skaveti@ra.cs.umb.edu

Article 1053 of misc.news.southasia:
From: gnreddy@cbnewsf.att.com (G.Narotham Reddy)
Newsgroups: misc.news.southasia
Subject: FLASH - Indian Government Agrees to Grant Dual-Citizenship to NRIs
Date: 29 Dec 92 17:37:51 GMT
Organization: AT&T


Source   : Press Trust of India
Date     : December 28, 1992
Country  : India


* Dual Citizenship for Non-Resident Indians

New Delhi - Dec 28: The government in principle has decided to grant
dual citizenship to Non-Resident Indians to enable them to participate
in socio-economic developments of the country, Union Minister for Water
Resources Mr.V.C.Shukla said. This decision will fulfill one of the
longstanding demands of the NRIs and will help them participate in the
multifarious activities of the country, the minister said while
inaugurating the India-NRI world convention here in New Delhi today.
	The government will take necessary action soon in order to
implement this decision, he said. Shukla had the External Affairs portfolio
during the tenure of Chandra Shekhar government, studied the aspects of
granting dual citizenship status to the NRIs at the instance of the
Cabinet.
	Shukla said the government will welcome (NRIs) in every walk of life 
so that their expertise can be effectively utilized for the socio-economic
developments of the country.
	He said some of the rules and regulations pertaining to NRI
investments were negative and complicated. However, he said, the
government would look into all these problems to remove these hurdles.
	Addressing NRIs, Union Minister of State for mines, Mr.Balram Singh
Yadav said national mineral policy would be suitably modified to open up
mineral exploration to the NRIs and foreign companies. India's High 
Commissioner to Britain, L.M.Singhvi spoke on the occassion.

                                 * E N D *
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: ravis@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (ravi.krishnaswamy)
Subject: Re: Bangalore and IIT's
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 16:02:21 GMT

The article mentioned about the origin of the name Bangalore. It said that
it is a transliteration of "Boiled bean village". Well, it is true. Here is
what I read/heard when I grew up in Bangalore.


During the days of Kempegowda or the earlier kings (I forget which one it was),
a king took a hunting trip in the jungle where bangalore is currently
situated. He got lost from his company during the expedition and was
wandering all around. He got hungry and he could not find food anywhere,
at which time he bumped into some tribal people living in the jungle.
The people offered him some bolied lentils for food. The king was very happy
at the hospitality of the people and named the place "Bendha KaLooru"
which translates roughly into the place of boiled beans.

Over the days, as the language(kannada) changed and as people distort the
name (pronunciation) it became BenKaLooru and then BenGaLooru. It is still
called BenGaLooru in kannada. The Britishers who had problem pronoucing
the word started syaing BanGaLoor. 

Hey, and there it stands today, due to our westernization. No one wants
to say BenGaLooru.

ravi

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: bnandy@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Biswajit Nandy)
Subject: Looking for Dr. Pradeep Khawash 
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 19:30:06 GMT


It is another "looking for" posting!! If you do not know these guys, please
press 'n' key (Any flame is directed to /dev/null anyway).

He is a PhDs in Physiscs from IIT Kanpur. He is working in New-Jersy area.
If you know his wherabouts, pleas send me a mail at:

bnandy@dictator.uwaterloo.ca

Happy New Year!!!

++biswajit
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: dasu@sscux1.ssc.gov (Sridhara Dasu)
Subject: Re: Can GOI rebuild the mosque?
Organization: SSC Laboratory, Dallas, TX
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:37:38 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.194804.3465@u.washington.edu> sivabala@faraday.ee.washington.edu (Siva Bala Narayanan) writes:

   Just a curious question. Given the facts that India is constitutionally
   secular and that the constitution takes precedence over the parliament,
   does the Indian constitution have provisions that allow the Central
   Government to build religious places of worship?

   Can some constitution "dhaadhaa" clarify my doubt?

   Siva


Indian Government at State level manages temples (ex. Tirupati Temple).
Several State govt.s have WAQF ministers etc. AIR and Doordarshan, which
are owned by Indian Govt. have regular religious programs. Separation
of Church and State is a myth.

Besides, the Babri Masjid site is to be maintained by Arch. Survey of I.
They can call the reconstruction as repairs!

I don't think that constitutionality of reconstruction is a problem. 

				- Sridhara Dasu
From: deepu@orion.eece.unm.edu (Pradeep Vittal)
Subject: ride to oklahoma city..
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 92 02:15:32 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
	is anyone passing thru albuquerque en route to oklahoma city and
	onwards? i need to go there by  the 31st/ 1st. will share gas/rent
	but not driving!! please call collect  505 242 1838 (leave message)



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: nahmed@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Nawaz Ahmed)
Subject: Re: How about froming a group called SCR.Indian_Subcontinent
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:41:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec21.021713.24198@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp>,
f43703a@nucc.cc.nagoya-u.ac.jp (SUPRATIC GUPTA) wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
>      There seem to be a lot of objection of taking Religion in
> SCP, SCI, and SCP. Though, Religion is an important part of what
> we want to talk, Though most of the problems that we speak leads
> to religious problem, why nnot have a seperate UNMODERATED group
> to talk about it.
> 
>      Another problem is that there is a lot of cross-posting and
> waste of band width. It can be solved by talking related inter-country
> problems in it. It will not eliminate Cross posting, but will
> surely decrease the nuber if cross posting. 
 
> WE NEED A UNITED FORUM TO DISCUSS PROBLEMS THAT RELATE ALL THESE
> COUNTRIES
> 
> ................ deleted for space
> -- 
> With regards
> 
> SUPRATIC GUPTA


Very good and rational idea. I will strongly support  creation of such a
group and will also ask all Ahmadi friends to vote for it. Go ahead brother
Gupta you will get a big support.


NawazAhmed
Computer specialist
Northwestern University
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From: v999rt8f@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ranjana Ojha)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: KNOCK! KNOCK! P-Js
Date: 31 Dec 92 07:24:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Dec.29.23.54.01.1992.27880@paul.rutgers.edu>, varma@paul.rutgers.edu (not yet) writes...> 
Here's one more:
KNOCK!KNOCK!
Who's there?
Ashok.
Ashok who ?
Ashok, a shock to the world.
From: sundar+@cs.cmu.edu (Sundar Vallinayagam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: I-Tax on RA/TA salary: Followup
Keywords: Tax, RA/TA
Date: 25 Dec 92 21:07:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Bzu2o8.Mtn.1
Distribution: usa
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

>The reason is the tax exemption is only for those who earn a fellowship. That
                                                              ~~~~~~~~~~

If I am not mistaken, even a fellowship is no longer tax exempt.  Could
any one confirm this for me, plase ?  Thanks.



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