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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: >2 SCSI drives on DOS?
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 20:50:58 GMT

In <1992Dec8.192212.1@happy.colorado.edu> srheintze@happy.colorado.edu writes:

>I was surprised to read in my booklet for my Always Corp IN-2000 SCSI
>controller that I could not connect more than two drives.  While my
>controller is SCSI and SCSI supports 7 devices, apparently there is a
>restriction with DOS.

>Can anybody tell me more about this restriction?  Is there a way around it?

There's a BIOS restriction to 2 drives.  If you don't use the BIOS
(you load a device driver for DOS to use talking to the SCSIs
instead), then you can have more devices.  I don't know if your board
has such drivers or not -- contact your manufacturer to see.  Mine
does (I have an Adaptec AHA-1740), and I plan on hanging more than 2
drives from it.

-- 
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Value of IBM PC 8088????
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:27:48 EST
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University


Value?

IBM PC 8088, 256k working on mother board
2 360K drives
printer port
memory card/ comm port card
IBM green screen monitor
DOS 3.3, IBM operating manuals

What's a reasonable price to sell this system
for? I can't imagine it would be much, but I'd like an assessment
since it was given to me for free and I do not know if its
worth investing anything into it in the way of harddrives.

Thanks,
Todd Stiers
pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
 sx'sfort

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,sci.electronics,rec.radio.amateur.packet
From: btbg1194@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bradley T Banko)
Subject: Problems with 66 MHz 486 machines? (Dell)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 04:39:01 GMT

We just got a Dell 486/D66 66 MHz 486 machine, and one day after
taking it out of the box, it lost its CMOS bios configuration.
Dell talked me through tightening the battery connections to the board.
Two days later, while starting windows the machine hung and lost
its bios configuration again... 

I am starting to think that maybe the 66 MHz motherboard technology 
hasn't been debugged enough.  My 20 MHz 386 machine at home hangs
every once in a while when I am running 2 meter amateur packet radio
(with a 144 MHz 2 Watt transmitter right next to the machinee).

Any thoughts?  Or suggestions?  Our research group cannot afford to
get stuck with a lemon machine with funding the way it is. (or ever!)

Thanks.  Please respond via email.

Brad Banko


-- 
Brad Banko;  Dept of Physics;  U of Illinois;  b-banko@uiuc.edu
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: christyo@cae.wisc.edu (Buddy Christyono)
Subject: 14" monitors
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:09:00 CST

Hi!

I am preparing to buy a computer, specifically the following:
486DX50/256K cache/8mb memory/213mb IDE drive (WD Caviar)
Paradise Accelerator Card and 14" PIONEX monitor.
The companies are: Computer Sales Professional (New Jersey)
and Quantex (New Jersey).
My questions:
1. Does anyone have dealt with either companies? What is your opinion
   on either one of them?
2. I do not know much about PIONEX monitor but I saw one at SAM'S
   WHOLESALE CLUB and it seemed a bit blurry. What type of 14" monitor
   do you think is a good one? I am particularly interested in Optiquest
   1000D but I looked in several publications and nobody (except two,
   which I called and said they no longer carry the monitor brand) had
   it. I do not want to spend more than $400 (such as for Sony 1304S).
   My primary choices:
      Optiquest 1000D
      Viewsonic 5E (barely more than $400)
      Viewsonic 6E
   What else is there and where to get it (also price range). Is Optiquest
   still in business? Where to get their monitors? I am not planning to
   use more than 800x600x256 colors consistently.
3. How good is the Paradise Accelerator (WD90C31)? The Computer Shopper
   (12/92) has a report on it and 16 others and consider it less than the
   Speedstar 24X. Should I get the 24X instead? I am a bit reluctant to
   buy or recommend Diamond products given the complaints I read in this
   newsgroup on Diamond company. The Paradise is made by Western Digital
   which produces the 90C31 chip, so I am assuming it is a good one. How-
   ever, the card only manage roughly 1/2 the Winmark of the 24X and I
   do not understand this at all. Bad driver?

   What graphics card should I buy if the Paradise is a nono (in your opi-
   nion?) I am interested in running OS/2 sometime in the future, so I need
   something that will allow me to run OS/2 (so: no ATI, I guess). ET4000
   card seems to be too slow for it (just a feeling).

Thank you. Please respond to :
   buddy%optics.decnet@vms.macc.wisc.edu

Buddy Christyono 
ECE Dept. univ. of Wisconsin

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: jensen@schulz.nosc.mil (Layne Jensen)
Subject: Re: Ati Ultra Pro question
Keywords: ati ultra pro
Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:57:04 GMT

harp@martha.utcc.utk.edu (harp) writes:

> In article <bgupta.724039623@micro> bgupta@micro.caltech.edu (Bhusan Gupta) writes:
> >
> >hi folks,
> >
> >I have followed the ATI ultra pro driver saga for a while now. Although
> >I haven't had too many problems, it seems to be catching up to me. First of
> >all I have an OEM-type board (micronics mvc8000 which is a local bus version) 
> >populated with 1MB of VRAM. Should be the same as the Gateway version. My
> >system is a Micronics vesa local-bus motherbd with a dx2-66 chip. 
> >
> >I installed build50 from the ati bbs. I also changed from winbench2.5 to
> >winbench3.1. My performance (terms of Winmarks) has gone from 30M(2.5) to 15M
> >in Winbench3.1. Has anybody gotten better performance than this (for
> >Winbench3.1)? I was using 1024x768 @ 256 colors. No matter what I tweak, I
> >cannot do any better. I have even tried 800x600 @256 colors to no avail. I
> >really don't know if it is a big deal or not, but it seems strange.
> >
> >Ok, now for a question? Has anybody upgraded their DAC yet? Also, what brand
> >of VRAM (256kx4 - 100ns?) does the card use and where can I get it cheaper 
> >than going through ATI ($99)? Also trying to order something from ATI is
> >utterly ridiculous by voice. Maybe their fax line might be easier and less
> >busy?
> >
> >In spite of the problems above, I really like the performance of the card in
> >both dos and windows. The local bus implementation provides something like a
> >factor of 2 speedup (in SVGA) in my one critical DOS CAD application.
> >

> You mean to tell me that the MACH32 drivers don't crash windows about every
> ten minutes?  It does on the Gateway 486DX2/66V that I deal with.  Build 50
> seems about as horrible as 44 or 46.  Gateway hasn't got a clue how bad the
> problem is.  I hope that ATI does.

> Sean Harp
> University of Tennessee

I was having this same problem (Windows crashing after ~10 minutes) until
I stopped using the "Explosiv" screen saver.  I was loading it in
autoexec.bat, and as long as I didn't start up Windows the machine was fine.
But a few minutes after loading windows it would hang, i.e., the mouse pointer
would be active, but there was no response from the mouse buttons or the
keyboard.  Since I removed "Explosiv" it has not happened.  I am now using the
screen saver that came with Windows, with no problems.  (Too bad, Explosiv
is nice.)

For the record, my machine is the same as Bhusan's described above: Micronics
486DX2/66 motherboard with the Micronics-marketed version of the ATI GUP, the
MVC8000.  Winbench 3.1 reports >29 M-Winmarks.  Oh yes, I am using the
Build 50 driver.
-- 
Layne Jensen                         jensen@nosc.MIL
NCCOSC R&D Division (NRaD)           ...!sdcsvax!noscvax!jensen 
San Diego, CA
From: ah@doc.ic.ac.uk (Angelo Haritsis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: S/W to identify DX and DX2
Date: 20 Dec 92 19:07:33 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, London
NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.doc.ic.ac.uk

Is there a way to tell between a 486DX and a 486DX2 without having to
open the machine? In particular, how would you distinguish between a 50Mhz DX
and a 50Mhz DX2 486 machines ? Is there any S/W that does it ?
Please, (also) reply by personal email.
Thanks.
-- 
Angelo Haritsis, Applied Systems Section
s-mail: Dpt of Computing,Imperial College, 180 Queen's Gate, London SW7 2BZ, UK
e-mail: ah@doc.ic.ac.uk - tel:+44 71 589 5111 (x7511) - fax:+44 71 581 8024
Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:33535 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:15931
From: tkuo@boas.cogsci.uiuc.edu (Feng-Lan Kuo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: **Please Read**  HITACHI hard drive users
Date: 17 Dec 92 18:17:35 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

A friend of mine got a HITACHI dk511-8 67MB MFM hard drive.  He was told that
the hard drive can be encoded into RLL w/ 105 MB capacity.  So, he used an
Adaptec RLL controller's (model # ?) built-in ROM utility to initialize
the hard drive, then used MS-DOS 5.0's FDISK and FORMAT to do partition and
format separately.  Everything worked fine up to this point.  However, after
he had loaded several applications, utilities and ran them, problems occurred.
DOS' CHKDSK /f reported cross-linked files, invalid allocation, ... etc.
When running DOS's EDIT, DOS sometimes complained 'out of memory' (he got 4 M 
SIMMs installed).

Does anyone of you have this kind of problems ?  What caused these ?

Is that because he used the wrong RLL controller ?

Highly appreciate any comments.  Thanks.

-----------------------------------------

P.S.  The hard drive is working fine when used as MFM w/ a MFM controller.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.hardware
From: chowproj@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (CHOW project)
Subject: HELP!!!  Ultrastor U12F/32 Controller Config
Organization: University of Hawaii
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:52:47 GMT

Hi there,

Could someone please help me on the jumper settings on this
Ultra Stor 12F controller.  It has 10 groups of jumpers, labeled
JP 3,4,5,6,7,10,11,12,17,18 that needs to be configured.

Thank you in advance.
From: steve1@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Stephen Beaton-Snook)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: TEAC FD235JS SCSI 3 1/2 floppy drive (Help Needed)
Keywords: SCSI,TEAC,HELP
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:40:43 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland


 I have a TEAC FD-235JS  SCSI 3 1/2 inch floppy drive Im trying to hook up
 to a ADAPTEC AHA-1542 SCSI Controller card. Unfortunatly I have no docs
 at all on the floppy drive and I cant seem to be able to read any disks
 put into the drive or even format new ones. The drive is recognized as
 being there by my controller but thats about it. Is there anyone out there
 who might have access to the specs for this drive and would like to give me
 a hand? The error Im getting is a drive not ready.
 Do I need a software driver installed for this? or is it just a jumper
 problem.

    Current jumper settings on the board are:

    oo  EJC
   [oo] J 
   [oo] H 
    oo  G       Jumpers on SCSI interface card on drive
   [oo] F 
   [oo] LEV
    oo  HDS
   [oo] STL
   [oo] PAR
    oo  MON


    oo  AC
   [oo] RE
    oo  IR     Jumpers on main board of Floppy drive
    oo  RY
    oo  D2
    oo  D1
   [oo] D0

Thanks in advance.


Stephen Snook   steve1@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
From: 93gke@williams.edu (oldwanda)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: What's the deal? My chip says "SX-25"; Norton says "SX-33"
Date: 18 Dec 1992 07:32:56 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: hancock.cc.williams.edu

I ordered a 486SX-33 motherboard, and when it came I couldn't help but
notice the chip has printed on it "486SX-25". I was quite pissed until
I double checked with Norton's SI (and others), and it said "486SX,
33Mhz". Whats going on? I assume it is a 33, but then why the mis-
labeling? Are all SX-33's mismarked in this way?

Greg Ennis
93gke@cs.williams.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
From: f88hv@efd.lth.se (Henrik Vallgren)
Subject: What graphics card should I get for Windows NT ?
Reply-To: f88hv@efd.lth.se
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:36:24 GMT


I would like the following specs:

* Drivers for Windows NT
* High refresh rates, my monitor supports 80Hz at 1024x768
* 1280x1024 support
* EISA would be nice
* I'd rather not spend more than $500

So far, I have considered the following:

* Compaq QVision (EISA version)
  - I think it can't go higher than 72 Hz at 1024x768
  - Won't display 1280x1024
  - Does anybody use it with Windows NT ? 
    If so could you mail me the drivers ?
  - What's the Winmark speed on this card anyway ?

* ATI Graphics Ultra Plus
  - Drivers situation seems to be a mess
  - Does it support 76 Hz refresh just like the Pro ?

Thanks for any reply

Henrik Vallgren
f88hv@efd.lth.se
From: mjh@dmu.ac.uk (Mike Howarth)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Need Low level format info for Plus IDE
Date: 14 Dec 92 12:55:08 GMT
Organization: De Montfort University Milton Keynes, UK.

In article <1992Dec10.041219.1431@ee.ubc.ca> jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes:
>
>Does anyone know how to low level format a Plus IDE hard disk?
>(80AT). I know some IDE drives have secret ways of doing low level formats,
>and I hope this is one. It probably isn't worth sending back fto the maker
>for a low level f
>
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that formatiing an IDE drive
removed information that the controller used, and that the only way was to
use the manufacturer's utilities rather any 'marketable' products, and I
presume those utilities to be as common as Rocking Horse Droppings - have
I got the right tack or am I thinking of another drive type ??

-- 
Mike J. Howarth - SSG Manager
De Montfort University Milton Keynes ENGLAND
+44 908 695511 (Switch) +44 908 834945 (Direct/Voicemail) +44 908 834948 (Fax)
eMail as mjh@dmu.ac.uk (Internet et al) or mjh.uk.ac.dmu (JANET)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: tooraj@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Tooraj Enayati)
Subject: Re: AT looses CMOS power (with new battery) Clues?
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:48:16 GMT

colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt) writes:

>THOGER@bg1.hbg.hydro.no (Terje Thoegersen) writes:

>>My problem is that even with a new, working battery installed (correctly,
>>too..) the machine comes back up after a power-off with "system options
>>not set - run setup". This happens when the power has been off for more 
>>than, say, 5 minutes or so.

>Consult the manual that goes with the motherboard,
>or obtain the following information from a reliable
>source:

>There is a jumper on the motherboard that is used 
>to select Internal/External battery source.  It is
>likely to be located near the on-board battery.
>It should be a 3-pin jumper, near a 4-pin connection
>for an external battery pack.

>If the machine you inherited had a bad on-board 
>battery, and the previous owner used an external
>4 x AA pack, it is likely that the pack did not
>survive the second ownership transfer.

It is worth considering that is you are replacing the onboard
battary, you need to leave the PC running for atleast 30 hours
to allow the nicad battray (which comes uncharged) to charge up.

-- 
==============================================================================
Tooraj Enayati     Melbourne     Australia     tooraj@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au
Monash University       Robotic and Digital Technology       (Graduate/Alumni)
==============================================================================
From: shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu (David S. Shy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Wacky wild modem problems
Date: 17 Dec 1992 08:37:57 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu

>Could it be that the new motherboard is just too fast for this fairly 
>ancient modem? I don't think this could be the case, since the bus still 
>runs at the same speed. Could my UART be too slow? Could it be a problem 
>with DMA? Or am I wrong on any of this? Any help on this would be appreciate

i have pretty much the same problem also!  i have a 2400 baud modem that 
i use to use in my xt and it worked great.  however after i got my 486 and
stuck it in, it would freeze on me about every two to three hours... 
soft-reset usually works but it doesn't hangup the line... only a hard reset
will hangup....

maybe like the above post suggested, the mb is too fast.  if anyone else has
any suggestions please post.  thanks in advance.

david shy
shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu
-- 
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| David Shy                |  "You know anything about Windoze?", "Sure I   |
| shyguy@ocf.berkeley.edu  |  know OS/2", "No, Windows!", "Oh, Warbage!",   |
| shyguy@soda.berkeley.edu |  "No, Windows, the OS", "Micro$oft has an OS?" |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.novell,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,comp.periphs.scsi
From: tt@thor.acc.Virginia.EDU (Tang Tang)
Subject: Comments On Micropolis 2112?
Reply-To: tt@virginia.edu
Organization: Academic Computing Center, University of Va.
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 23:28:13 GMT

  Has anyone hear any problem with the new 3-1/2" drive from Micropolis?
I had 3 disk related crashes on a Netware 3.11 server in the last 2 weeks
after adding this new drive.  My setup is a 486/33, 64meg memory, Adaptec 
1542B controller, a Seagate 5-1/4" 1gig and this new Micropolois drive.

Thanks in advance,
Tang

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: mrbill@leland.Stanford.EDU (William Bowen)
Subject: Re: Why does 8Mb RAM mean swapping?
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 20:18:49 GMT

In article <BzDHBr.H5r@utdallas.edu> goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes:
>This is weird.  I have a 386-40 with 8megs and GASP only starts up with a 1meg
>swap file.  
>
>It doesn't take much to grow to two megs..I have to load say Telemate and NortonCommander for DOS, but it ususally doens't hit 4megs and never goes over 4megs.
>
>OS/2 runs very nice on my system.
>
>(GASP = OS/2 2.0 GA + Service Pack)
>

My swap file never grows larger than 4M either, but it's certainly used more
than is necessary. Try running OS/2 with swapping turned off, then let us
know how "nice" it runs! 

Bill
mrbill@leland.stanford.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: joy@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen)
Subject: Re: High pitch squeal with Speedstar 24x and NEC 4FG
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:53:38 GMT

In article <76837@hydra.gatech.EDU> dsrekrg@prism.gatech.EDU (Rob Gibson) writes:
>I am running a 24x with a 4FG and get an unnerving squeal similar and slightly
>louder than  a TV set when using the 72 Hz refresh modes. 
>Thisiis especially noticeable when going to a full-screen DOS session from 
>Windows and back. 
>Is that just the way it is with the 4FG?
>
>-- 
>Rob Gibson, WREK 91.1 MHz, 40000 watts - Georgia Tech, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
>Studio: 404/894-2468  FAX: 404/853-3066  ARPA: dsrekrg@prism.gatech.edu

It's not likely that a monitor or video card makes the noise because none of
them have speakers. However, the intermodulation of frequencies inside PC
may cause PC's sounding devices to make noise. Two possible sources of noise
are PC's speaker and modem.

It could be the problem of modem. Disconnect the modem to see if the noise
still exists. My PC used to sqeal before I replaced the cheap modem with
a better one.

-- Chien-Chung Chen
From: Kermit@cup.portal.com (Kermit Royce Woodall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: RODIME Drive Specs Needed
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 06:55:29 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

>42Mbyte
>872 cylinders
>6 heads
>650 write precomp
>871 landing zone

Thanks!

Kermit Woodall
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: jscott@micom.com (James Scott)
Subject: Orchid chip docs 
Organization: Micom Communications Corp., Simi Valley, Ca.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:39:18 GMT

i just got off the phone with the folks at Orchid.  does anyone know
of an ftp site from which i could download the tech docs on their
graphics chip (for the farenheit).  if not, i guess i'll just cough
up the $25 they require.

james

Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: sunghyi@ais.org (Sung H. Yi)
Subject: Inkjet Printer
Summary: Printer
Keywords: Printer
Organization: UMCC
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:20:01 GMT

 I'm in the market for a new inkjet printer.  Any suggestions?
I'm looking to spend +/- $400.  Currently most seriously
considering the HP Deskjet 500.  In addition to suggestions, be
sure to state why you're suggesting it.
Thanks!

(Happy Holidays!!)
From: pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: HELP! MAGITRONIC 603 card in 8088 PC...
Date: 17 Dec 92 03:20:00 EST
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

HELP!

I need documentation on the MAGITRONICS 603 memory card/comm port
on an old 8088 IBM PC I inherited.

Specifically, I need the codes to track down the bad RAM chip on a PARITY 
CHECK 2 error on bootup, and the meaning of the 6 DIPS on the card.

Have it working currently by setting the IBM DIPS to 256K only on motherboard-
wasting 384K on card that I'd like to have available.

Thanks,
Todd Stiers
pl3x@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

rel.b.
From: psbayer@acsu.buffalo.edu (Paul S. Bayer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: Avoid ZEOS
Summary: Zeos - bad service
Date: 13 Dec 92 00:33:48 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <Bz5uBK.My9@unix.amherst.edu> ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (LAiRD j. NeLSoN) writes:
>[ Article crossposted from comp.misc ]
>[ Author was ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu ]
>[ Posted on Fri, 11 Dec 1992 04:26:04 GMT ]
>
>Just a quick experience my roommate has had with ZEOS International:
>
>On November 12th he bought a 486/50 upgrade--a new mother board to be dropped
>into his existing 386/16.  The sale was completed in a snap, and he shipped
>the computer off.  They promised a 10 day turnaround, assuring him that 
>the swap would be relatively simple.
>

[the story in all its glory has been deleted for purpoese of bandwidth]

>Responsibility, apparently, is nowhere to be found; everyone whom my roommate
>has contacted has claimed that they are not involved in the process: from sales
>to customer service to repair.
>
>Miserable response and "support" such as this is what gives mail order its
>bad name.  I have recommended to others on campus who are thinking of buying
>computers to avoid ZEOS; I would do the same for *anyone*.
>
>LAiRD
>

I too have been given the runaround by ZEOS... They have in many occasions
put me on hold for longer than twenty minutes (I am a computer consultant,
and I was trying to judge the quality of their service)

they have given me double-talk, and possibly wrong info....

I won't buy from them *nor* will I recommend anyone else does.`




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