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From: Steve.Hayes@f20.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Family History Help
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 92 16:45:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/20 - Unisa Editorial, Pretoria

The following is available by anonymous ftp from hallc1.cebaf.gov.

It is available for file request from Fidonet 5:7101/20 at 2400 bps or from  
5:7101/22 at 9600 bps

FHH130   ZIP    63103 92-07-03 20:01 Family History Help v 1.30

This is a hypertext tutorial program on how to trace your family tree. It is 
a kind of interactive FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) file, and will be 
useful for anyone who is just beginning, or who would like to begin tracing 
their family history, but does not know where to start. 

It could also be useful for more experienced genealogists and family 
historians who want to trace immigrants from another country. It deals with 
international family history, and has information about several different 
countries.




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From: fr@compu.com (Fred Rump from home)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: what now?
Date: 11 Sep 92 15:08:42 GMT
Organization: CompuData Inc.

Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes) writes:

>On <08 Sep 1992 21:05> Fred Rump from home said to All :

> FRfh>ftpmail.uu - now what? This is all UNIX, but I've moved this
> FRfh>file to a dos
> FRfh>box.

>Maybe you should have got them one at a time <grin>. But try copying
>ftpmail.uu to bk5a.exe and see if you can run. If it extracts itself into a
>lot of other files, it worked.

The problems were confirmed by Matt Caprile in a post yesterday. This time I 
'really' found a problem: it doesn't work. Normally it's me. :-)

Luckily the net jumped in and Cliff Mathis sent me his copy via email and I 
successfully decoded and unzipped and all is well. I really love this new 
BK5.0b.

Fred

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26 Warren St.   home: fred@icdi10.compu.com  that he/forgets his littleness'
Beverly, NJ. 08010                          		Don Marquis 
609-386-6846    bang:uunet!cdin-1!icdi10!fr   
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From: beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Denis Beauregard)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: A couple of questions
Date: 16 Sep 92 02:20:05 GMT
Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada

In article <9209111414.AV00048@rtp41.rtp.dg.com> P.QUINTIN@DGC.CEO.DG.COM writes:
>
>     I have a microfilm of the Vercheres (Varennes) Quebec Parish
>Records, and noticed a couple of things. First, the name of an
>ancestor is listed as Jean Quintin dit Dubois. Can someone explain
>the meaning of 'dit'. It only appears a couple of times.

dit : said or alias or aka.  Your ancestor was known as either
Jean Quintin, Jean Dubois, Jean Quintin dit Dubois or Jean Dubois dit Quintin.
A particularity of many old Quebec families (roughly half families had 2
or many family names, mine was Jarret dit Beauregard) with roots in old
France (while this was much less common, but the use existed in 1471 in my
own family).

>     Also, these parish records are written by hand in a book, using
>the following format:
>               1695
>m. Quintin Jean et Jeanne Dalpue     33
>b. "    "  Marie                     35
>.
>     Can someone explain the number in the right hand margin? I am
>guessing it may be the day of the year, but am not sure.

Usually is the folio (i.e. sheet.  a sheet is 2 pages so that often Fo 33
is page 65 and 66, but numbering is with folio).  Since only some 10 years,
page number are in use, but before that, it was very common to use the folio.
Don't forget that Quebec language is French so that you will need a French
dictionary to understand the old records (while records for English speaking
are usually in English).  In particularly for page numbers.  A sample:

33 - Trente trois
35 - Trente cinq

1 to 9: un deux trois quatre cinq six sept huit neuf
10 to 19: dix onze douze treize quatorze quinze seize dix-sept dix-huit dix-neuf
10 to 90: dix vingt trent quarante cinquante soixante soixante-dix
quatre-vingt (yes 4-20 or 4*20 or 80), quatre-vingt-dix.
60 to 79 are soixante+<number 1 to 19>, i.e. 75=soixante quinze
80 to 99 are similar.
100: cent 

Old Quebec registers were microfilmed by Mormons, including 1876 and before,
for all Quebec catholic parishes.

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  \_\    Denis Beauregard  *  internet:beaurega@ireq.hydro.qc.ca
 /   \   Genealogiste officiel : Beauregard/Jarret/Jarest/Vincent
J   __>  Un Quebec renouvele dans une Amerique renovee
\_.-===                                                  Opinions ? Et pis non !
From: Les.Fenton@f2206.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Les Fenton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Fenton
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 20:27:06

 * Forwarded by Les Fenton on 1:124/4115.243
 * Originally to Karen L.fenton

Karen,
 I have turned USRoots back on in the hope that I can get in
 touch with you again. If you receive this message, please
 send me what information you can on your FENTON line to the
 following address:

                     Leslie E. Fenton
                     718 Kensington Lane
                     Mansfield, TX  76063-2819

 Any information that you can provide will be greatly
 appreciated. I am currently collecting all FENTON
 information to try to help tie FENTONs together and help
 other researcher's of this name at no cost. Thanks in
 advance for your help. Looking forward to getting your
 reply via US Mail or the Net.


Les Fenton
 # Origin: Another Inquiring Point (1:124/4115.243)
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Genealogical Software
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:52:30 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <1626.2AA96C6A@fidogate.FIDONET.ORG> Brian.Mavrogeorge@p0.f30.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Mavrogeorge) writes:
>You left out some important information. What platform are
>
>you running the software on. If it isn't MS-DOS then your
>choices are limited. 
>

Well, with the MAC your choices may be limited, but with REUNION from
Leister Productions (purchasable through MAC Connections ~$115.)
your capabilities are enhanced. This program is fully GEDCOM compatible,
has a superb Chart making capability and introduces flexabilites
which are very frustrating with PAF.

It is written in HyperCard, and if you are or become familiar with this
script writing language, it is yours to extend or hack. I have done
a lot of this, because I find the available programs too narrow and
too dogmatic.

There is a MAC PAF program... but it doesn't take advantage of the
object oriented MAC philosophy.

At present (and probably for the immediate future) there are many
more stand alone utilities for the PC that are in XXX.zip files
than there are utilities for other platforms. This can also be a
concern.

-- I am a satisfied user of REUNION --- my only connection..

 p q
 \|/
 /|\   TOM LINCOLN  lincoln@rand.org
 \|/  "Life is short, art is long, opportunity fugitive,
 /|\   experimenting dangerous, reasoning difficult."

Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins)
Subject: Re: LDS data non-availability by the net-- my theory
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 15:05:37 GMT

klein@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles A Klein) writes:

 >   At their family history centers there are signs saying that
 >microfilm can't be taken from their churches because it could cause
 >legal problems for the LDS church.  By this I assume that they mean that
 >they could be construed as a genealogy business and not as a religion
 >by the IRS.

I suppose that's possible, but wouldn't that also extend to their sale of
PAF and other genealogical supplies to the general public?

 ========================================================================
 |Don Wiggins                         |            _Researching_        |
 |306 East Franklin                   |       WIGGINS, STALEY, HALL,    |
 |Fisher, IL  61843-9440              |       BIRKHIMER, MCINTIRE,      |
 |email:  wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu |       PARK(E), CHANCE, MUNRO....|
 ========================================================================
From: davidson@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: WEBB Book Wanted
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:06:42 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


I am looking for Barbara Willson's _Webb Family History_. It was published
in San Jose, California in 1976. I have seen some extracts from it but not
the book itself.

If anyone has any other books on the WEBB family,  I would appreciate hearing
about it. I am particularly interested in Noah Webb who was born in Rye, 
Westchester Co., New York around 1754 and emigrated to Nova Scotia as a 
Loyalist in 1783.

Thank-you,

Jonathan H. Davidson

DAVIDSON@AC.DAL.CA
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada

Newsgroups: soc.roots,rec.arts.dance
From: vaghughe@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Greg Hughes)
Subject: Whigmaleerie or Tall Tale
Summary: Genealogical Joke
Originator: vaghughe@atlas.cs.upei.ca
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 11:51:05 GMT

From the Sept, 92 issue of TACTalk, the newsletter for scottish country
dance teachers throughout North America and the world comes this tall tale:
All in the Family
     The children of the head of a prominent Scottish-American family
decided to give him a book of their family's history.  The genealogist
that they  hired, was warned of one problem...Uncle Angus, the "black
sheep" who had gone to Sing Sing's electric chair for murder.  The
genealogist promised to handle the situation with tact and diplomacy.
     "I'll just say that Uncle Angus occupied a chair of applied elec-
tronics at one of our nation's leading institutions.  He was attached
to his position with the strongest of ties.  His death came as a true
shock."

I hope that this gets transmitted this time.

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X-Acknowledge-To: <MSTAUTER@UMRVMB>
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 09:57:36 CDT
Reply-To:     "Mark Stauter,Assoc Director" <MSTAUTER@UMRVMB.BITNET>
From:         "Mark Stauter,Assoc Director" <MSTAUTER@UMRVMB.BITNET>
Subject:      A Young Philadelphian(?)

Listfriends:
    I have a manuscript journal of a young American on the "Grand Tour" of
Great Britain, the Continent, and the Holy Land in 1856-1857.  His name
PROBABLY was A. McI. Robertson.  He MIGHT have been the son of Archibald
Robertson, whom the 1856 City Directory of Philadelphia (Pa.) listed as
treasurer of the "N.O. Canal & Navigation Company" at 101 Walnut Street.
    Robertson's traveling companions were Augustus Graham Coleman, Samuel
Richards Colwell, I. Hamilton Slack, and a man recorded only as "Doctor."
    It's really a nice journal, very detailed, and I'd like to know more
about Robertson and/or his companions.
    Do their names ring a bell with any of the ROOTS-L'ers?
    Mark Stauter, Western Historical Manuscript Collection, University of
Missouri-Rolla.
    MSTAUTER@UMRVMB or MSTAUTER@UMRVMB.UMR.EDU
From: lincoln@rand.org (Tom Lincoln)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: REPOST: 19th Century occupation. What is a corkcutter?
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:01:59 GMT
Organization: RAND Corporation.

In article <ROOTS-L%92090500271378@VM1.NODAK.EDU> "G.MULVENNA" <OSG1688@VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK> writes:
>Apologies for posting this query again, but the last time it seemed to get
>drowned by the "great ROOTS-L cooper-crisis of 1992" :-).
>
>>The 1871 census describes his occupation as a corkcutter.  The nature of this
>>occupation seems to be obvious: cutting cork, but does anyone know anything
>>about this line of work.  Cork for bottles? What else was cork used for?
>
Cork is, of course, the bark of a number of species of tree. We still
find it used to cork bottles and as washers, but in the 19th century it
was widely used as a backing material and liner. (Remember the tobacco
(Ugh!) humidors?) Properly treated (boiled to remove tannin and steamed)
it can be laid out flat and cut. THe trick, as with all natural products,
is to use the grain properly. It was certainly a skilled craft at the time.

Hope this helps

Tom
From: smithb@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: ARCHIVES LIST
Date: 9 Sep 92 10:18:15 GMT

Can anyone on this directory help me?  I am trying to find the address for
an archive (not computer type) BBS.  I understand it is called "The Archive
List" and it originates from somewhere in Indiana.

Any advice would be appreciated.  Please respond direct to Bruce Smith
e-mail address "SMITHB@INSTED.UNIMELB.EDU.AU
From: alan@solb1.essex.ac.uk (Alan M Stanier)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Immigration to the States
Date: 7 Sep 92 16:14:13 GMT
Reply-To: alan@essex.ac.uk
Organization: University of Essex Computing Service, Colchester CO4 3SQ, UK

My grandmother had 2 elder half-brothers: Edward J Read born circa 1864,
and William C Read born circa 1867. (These birthdates are calculated from their
ages as given in the 1871 census). I don't know their second names, but
would guess at Edward James Read and William Charles Read.

According to their niece (who is not a reliable witness) they emigrated
to the US after the collapse of their father's business (the date of which
I do not know, but must have been after 1895). They did not make a success
of life in America: William is said to have committed suicide.

I am interested in chasing these two up: can anyone suggest possible
avenues of research? I assume they would have sailed from Liverpool. but
don't know which port they sailed to (would they have entered the States
through Ellis Island?) nor do I know where in the States they settled.

I assume immigration records were kept, but are they open to inspection -
bearing in mind I am working from England? Better, have they been published?
Even better, are they available in computer-readable form?

Any suggestions would be gratefully received.



--
  Alan M Stanier   | Alan Michael, son of Roger William, son of William Edwin,
 alan@essex.ac.uk  | son of William John, son of William, son of John, son of
tel +44 206 872153 | William ... (research still in progress)
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:12:13 CDT
Reply-To:     "Bob Eberle (Eberle@vnet.ibm.com)" <eberle@VNET.IBM.COM>
From:         "Bob Eberle (Eberle@vnet.ibm.com)" <eberle@VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject:      Re: Fees for records in other countries
Comments: To: ROOTS-L@vm1.NoDak.EDU

I had to do the same thing but for a birth certificate.  In any case, the fee
was $15.00 if I did not have an account at the bank and free otherwise.

Be careful of this.  First I sent a check on my bank (which would have honored
the check at whatever exchange rate was required).  That got returned with
a note saying that the check must be drawn on a bank in London.  After that,
I tried a foreign currency shop, which advertised that they could send foreign
currency money orders.  The fee was nominal, but the important thing was that
I could not use their services.  Again, although the money order was drawn for
Pounds Sterling, it was on a bank in Switzerland.  The bank that I finally
used had a correspondent bank in London on which they could write checks.  My
check was literally a draft on that London bank.

Good luck,

Bob Eberle
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Newsgroups: soc.roots
Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:03:09 EDT
Reply-To:     DO Andrew Callahan <callahan@SUNBURN.EC.USF.EDU>
From:         DO Andrew Callahan <callahan@SUNBURN.EC.USF.EDU>
Subject:      Cousin Riddle
Comments: To: roots-l@vm1.nodak.edu

I typed a response to Ellen Seebacher's "mother's father's mother," "mother's
mother's mother" "mother's father's father" etc. question.  Then I lost her
address.  It seems, however, that this might be of general interest, also,
others might tell me if I am correct.



Ellen,
I do not think there is enough information provided in your question about
the mother's father's father and mother's mother's mother marrying each other.
Clearly these two people were the mother-in-law and father (and father-in-law
and mother) of the questioner's grandparents.

I go by the rule that there are no half cousins, that one common ancestor
is all that is needed to be a cousin.

Since the people who remarried in this instance are both great-grandparents
of the questioner, any descendants of theirs that are great grandchildren
of them (either as a couple or through their first spouses) are second
cousins of the questioner (except of course for the questioner's brothers
sisters, and first cousins who would also be great-grandchildren of the
remarried couple.)

Your right, it does sound a little confusing, but it boils down to this:
Children of either of your parents who aren't you, are your siblings.

Grandchildren of your grandparents who aren't you or your siblings are your
first cousins.

Great grandchildren of your great grandparents who aren't you, your siblings,
or your first cousins, are your second cousins.

Great great grandchildren of your great great grandparents who aren't you,
your siblings, your first cousins, or your second cousins, are your third
cousins.

If any of the people who are looking to explain relationships are in
differing generations, they are first or second cousins or third cousins
a certain number of generations removed.  For example: my grandmother's first
cousin is my first cousin, two generations removed.  My second cousin is my
son's second cousin one generation removed.

I hope this is clear to you.  It probably could be written more elegantly,
but I hope this helps.

Andrew


-------------------------------------------------
HELP!  I'm trying to reach my ancestors!
DYER, CASKEY, BAYS, BOOHER, FUGETT (all KY)
CALLAHAN, REVANE, STANTON (all MA and Ireland)
If you know them, please contact me.

	Andrew Callahan
	callahan@sunburn.ec.usf.edu  (Internet)
	as087@cleveland.freenet.edu  (Internet)

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From: Brian.Mavrogeorge@p0.f30.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Mavrogeorge)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Genealogical Software
Date: 5 Sep 92 16:19:20 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:125/30.0 - Roots(SF!), San Francisco CA

You left out some important information. What platform are

you running the software on. If it isn't MS-DOS then your

choices are limited. 

 

The major players in the genealogy software market at the

moment are PAF (LDS Church, about $45), Brothers Keeper 

(shareware, John Steed), The Family Scrapbook (shareware,

Chris Long), The Family Edge (shareware/commercial versions, 

and RootsIII (about $250, Commsoft).

 

All of them support GEDCOM which is essential. Do not

purchase anysoftware that does not support this method

of exchanging data.

 

Each one has its own selling points. PAF - large user base,

inexpensive, uniquely supports LDS genealogies, although not 

exclusively. Brothers Keeper consistently wins rave notices

for its reporting abilities and the authors support. The Family

Scrapbook is new on the scene but gaining its share of

adherents. The Family Edge known for its ease of dataentry.

RootsIII known for its difficult learning curve and also for

its ability to meet the needs of the "serious" genealogist - if

you are going to publish then IMHO ROOTSIII is the top choice.

 

Since there are some great shreware products my advice would be

to get a copy of a couple of them and put in four generations

in each. That will give you a feel for the data entry and you

can generate the reports. You will then be a more informed

consumer and know what you do and don't like.

 

There isn't any one genealogy package that is right for

everyone. You have to figure out what it is that you want

and then find the fit. Do you want to simply record and

print information, do you want want extensive footnoting

and citing of sources, do you want specific database fields

for LDS ordinances, are you computer-literate enough to

go it alone or is a user group important to you, do you 

believe that periodic updates to the software are important?

 



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From: abe@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell)
Newsgroups: soc.roots
Subject: Re:      Re: Recommendations for Genealogical Software
Date: 9 Sep 92 13:55:25 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

It's also worth repeating that there is an excellent quarterly publication
devoted to genealogical software called "Genealogical Computing."  It often
carries reviews of genealogical software and occasionally publishes a complete
directory of all the genealogical software that has come to its attention.

It's published by:	Ancestry Incorporated
			350 South 400 East, Suite 110
			Salt Lake City, UT 84111

Subscriptions cost $25 annually and may be placed at 1-800-531-1790.

I have found "Genealogical Computing" at some genealogical libraries, too --
the Indiana State Historical Library in Indianapolis has it.
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: tswift@well.sf.ca.us (Theodore John Swift)
Subject: Re:      Re: Recommendations for Genealogical Software
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:54:11 GMT


> The major players in the genealogy software market at the       
> moment are PAF (LDS Church, about $45), Brothers Keeper
> (shareware, John Steed), The Family Scrapbook (shareware,
> Chris Long), The Family Edge (shareware/commercial versions,
> and RootsIII (about $250, Commsoft).
>     
>  Brian, (everyone) minor correction PAF is $35.00 (not shareware)
>  (plus $2.00 if the order is placed over the phone).  Brother's
>  Keeper is $45.00.                                   

And perhaps some additions.  The above programs are for the IBM PC
and Compatibles.  There is a version of PAF (Personal Ancestor File)
for the Mac (and a good little program it is, too), same source, same
$35 price; Sesame, ~$130, is available from Commsoft, Inc., Windsor, CA;
Reunion, ~$115, has been well spoken of by Tom Lincoln and others;
Family Roots, ~$135, Quinsept, in MA is available for several species
of computers from the Commodore 64 on, etc.  There are scores and scores
of programs out there, enough so that _Genealogical Computing_ magazine
has a directory of them once a year.
-- 
----------------------
Ted Swift tswift@well.sf.ca.us or, better yet, Ted_Swift@qm.sri.com
"You bally well are informed, Jeeves!  Do you know everything?"
"I don't know, sir"    ~P.G. Wodehouse
Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: markey@cs.ucf.edu (Donna Markey)
Subject: Rublee family
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Distribution: USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:06:52 GMT


Newsgroups: soc.roots
From: renek@sci.kun.nl (Rene Klomp)
Subject: Looking for the name MIESSEN
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:44:50 GMT

Hi there,

I'm looking for the name Miessen. They emigrated from Eupen, Prussia
to Indiana around 1860.
Any information you can provide will be appreciated!

Thanks! Rene.
From: Robert.Haack@p242.f4115.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Robert Haack)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet