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From: mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: Re: desi gif's ?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 07:19:00 GMT

In article <BtoAIL.3uw@acsu.buffalo.edu>, memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes...
>In article <Aug.27.22.09.53.1992.16929@gandalf.rutgers.edu> amarmahb@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Amar Mahboob Ali) writes:
>>
>>Does there exist such a thing as a public gif site containing images
>>relating to the Sub-Continent. Any help would be greatly appretiated.
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>
>>Amar Mahboob
> 
>Try the scp archive at z.eecs.umich.edu.
>You should be able to get in with an annonymous ftp. send in your login id
>as password. Gifs are not in pub/scp but may be in a separate directory called
>pub/gif. There were about 12 gifs, all of them were of good quality, especiallu
>one picture of a girl selling oranges in Quetta(?)
> 
>Check it out and let me know if they are still there, has been more than 
>6 months since I last checked the site.

	AA! I checked it out just now and was not able to find the gifs I 
	saw there a long time ago. There is only one, k2.gif. Btw, there is 
	directory /scp with sub-directories of some SCPians. I took the 
	liberty of making a sub-dir for myself and have put some personal
	files in there... :)


		z.eecs.umich.edu  ftp anonymous  /pub/scp/mughal

	Asim Mughal
	[Standard Disclaimer]
> 
> 
>Naveed
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Feed-back control of Wahsington (was Election '92.)
Date: 26 Aug 1992 13:22:44 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <4841@news.duke.edu> shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat) writes:
>You are giving the US too much credit.  They're not that good.  If they
>were, they would have foretold all the several world events that have
>embarassed America and have precipitated major American foreign policy
>snafus, such as the revolution in Iran, the guerrilla war in North
>Vietnam, the events of Nicaragua, the hostage-taking in Beirut, the
>overthrow of Ferdinand Marcos and even the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

You are right. The only point I was trying to make was that they
don't "ignore" what is going in (say) Pakistan just because it
is not very central to their policy.

You see essence of "control" in management theory is NOT to predict
the future, but to be "prepared", "informed" and "willing" to
act quickly given some change in the environment. "Control" means
to make the feed-back loop as short, effective and efficient as
possible. 

Washington think tanks and policy institutes make this "feed-back"
 available for ALL countries irrespective of their importance 
(but of course in proortion to their importance) to the executives 
in the white house.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mughal@iago.caltech.edu (ASIM M MUGHAL)
Subject: Re: the terminator part n : )
Summary: let`s set the rating of SCP
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 06:37:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.015918.754@sol.cs.wmich.edu>, sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani) writes...
>In article <BtxG6q.6CI@acsu.buffalo.edu>, memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon) writes:
>> In article <1992Sep1.230819.11234@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> alam@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ALAM AFSHAN) writes:
>> >azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:
>> >
> 
>I dont think SCP is g-rated. These days the rating has IMPROVED to
>pg-13 due to punjabi jokes. Some of them are pretty hilarious.

     Errr well, I have been told this forum is x rated... maybe I was the
     one who didn't get the inside meanings which were so 'graphically 
     obvious' in one of the threads of discussion. 

     Time to quit, before things get too steamy out here?

Asim Mughal
[Standard Disclaimer]

> 
>I would like to see all kinds of stuff, this is what freedom of expression
>is all about. You can put some warning in the subject for innocent
==============

P.S. err... well, I will let it pass ... there are other forum which are
     discussing similar thought, I hate to reveal their names... :)



>readers to hit 'n'.
> 
>So please dont edit your articles, let us see some RAW stuff.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Subject: Are there any Makranis out there?
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 01:44:35 GMT


Salam Alaikum everyone, being a recent graduate of two majors, I have found 
that I have alot of time on my hands, this can result in a drifting mind. So
one day as I was staring at the computer screen, my mind drifted off into
thoughts about SCP, and uncontrollably I had this urge to investigate and find
out the truth of this question: Are there any Makranis reading SCP? 

zafar
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From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: Islam a fascist ....
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:03:39 GMT

In article <l9nki5INN434@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>, hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
> In article <1992Aug25.213758.1324@sol.cs.wmich.edu> sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani) writes:
> >
> >
> >So in this case, we have the first choice of punishing the guilty
> >otherwise allah[swt] will clean up, whoever we cant punish.
> >To me it appears strange for Allah[swt] to take such a SECONDARY
> >role in such an important affair. 
> 
> Your logic is playing tricks above. It is implying that 
> a murderer and a rapist should go scott free in this world!
> (because it seems to you "strange for .....").
> 
>

I guess the discussion is about blasphemy. There is a BIG
difference between blasphemy and rape/murder/etc.

These are physical crimes, and can be logically defined
and precisely stated.

On the other hand, what is insulting to one prophet/religion
may not be to other. (I pointed out a case the other day on SCP).

If Muslims have the first right to punish a person, whoever
says anything against Islam --blasphemy, then we have to
allow this right to all religions.

If that is the case, almost all muslims are guilty of
blasphemy to christianity and judaism. Since muslims
insist that they have a BETTER copy of their religions
and christians and jews have 'corrupted' copies.

To me this amounts to a direct insult--blasphemy.

Unfortunately, this is VERY BASIS of Islam. So islam
is based on blasphemous remarks to other religons.

So you see Hyder Bhai, we are in a fix, either you must
leave Allah[swt] to punish the criminal of blasphemy,
or admit that muslims are indeed guilty of blasphemy as far
as christianity/judaism is concerned with permission of allah[swt].

My suggestion is ofcourse, let us get out of this mess in a
simple way:

    You practise your religion and I will practice mine.
    If you say anything demeaning about my gods they will take
    of you. My business is to keey my relation with my God clear.
  

> 
stuff deleted
>
>


regards,

-Naveed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.indian
From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Subject: Re: WOMEN GAVE GOLD TO BOSNIA
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:02:55 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.200043.22110@bcrka451.bnr.ca> aruna@bnr.ca (Ed Vopni) writes:

.......... (stuff deleted)

>>
>>Of course, it is no where near what is needed. It should have been
>>more in forthcoming.
>>
>
>A related question:
>
>Are majority of Somalians Muslims? If so how are the Islamic countries helping
>the starvation ridden population there? Being a close neighbour of Somalia, is
>Saudi Arabia arranging for any shipment of food to Somalia?
>

I am not sure about Saudi Arabia, but Pakistan has tried to help by sending
rice. If I'm not wrong, Pakistan has also sent troops to help UN carry out
the relief efforts.

>Arun
>[standard disclaimer applies]

Nadeem

-- 
Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7882  
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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: Is Islam equal to Intolearnce and Fascism ?
Date: 25 Aug 1992 13:21:50 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug24.232511.16301@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
>
>In Pakistan, Islam is considered as an absolute determinant... one that can 
>veto what the people decide according to the democratic process. This 
>incident shows the kind of issues considered significant in the country.
>It shows how Islam is used to harrass someone. The problem we face is not
>the intolerance that/if Islam explicitly supports.... it's the intolerance
>that comes as a net effect of Islam. 

The problem is NOT "intolerance" of ISLAM, but the hypocricy of the
elites. Why can't they muster enough moral courage to come out in the
open and say that they don't want to be called Muslims because they
don't like Islam. All the elite presidents and prime-minister of Pakistan
including ZAB (remember banning alcohal, Friday holiday etc),
BB (don't forget the ever present dupatta), Zia, NS have used
Islam to further their own agenda (which obviously without Islamic
front they wouldn't have been able to impose).

Problems with Pakistan will end the day the hypocritic bureaucracy and
army (all elitist) and politicians (landed aristocracy) debunk "Islam"
as a false front. Why is it necessary for the elites to use the Islam
card? why can't they leave the islam card with the "Mullahs". After
all if Mullah's and their agenda is not popular, who will listen to
them! People will simply throw them off. Why worry about the people?
If  elites are correct in saying that  people do not want Islam then
they should not fear people.

If on the other hand, people do want Islam. Find it powerful enough
to sway their feelings, and are moved by it, then why all this complaint?
After all, democracy calls for respecting people's wishes!

NOTE:
====
Only those people need fear the "blashphemy law in Islam", who want
to keep a front of Muslims, like Salman Rushdie, and then insist on
ridiculing it. I can guarantee that no one who decides to rupudiates 
Islam, and does so by openly relinquishing his name and other priviliges 
which go by being a Muslim, will not be harmed by any one.

If Salman Rushdie had clearly stated on his book that he was NOT a 
Muslim, no one would have bothered him. After all, Dante wrote 
worse things then him!
From: waseems@sco.COM (Waseem Siddiqi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Waseem Siddiqui (waseems@sco.COM), SCO Inc., Canada.
Date: 25 Aug 92 16:06:09 GMT
Organization: SCO Canada, Inc.

In article <9208230847.AA21606@nms.netman> rk@NMS.HLS.COM (S Ramakrishnan) writes:
>[ Sorry to have to post this here; I couldn't send this across by email ]
>
>Waseem:
>
>I 've been trying to reach you by email (waseems@sco.com) unsuccessfully
>for a number of days now. Your UUCP address didn't work either.
>Thanx for your letter. Do you have an alternative email address where 
>I may write you ? 
>
>Thanx.
>
>---
>S Ramakrishnan, Hughes LAN Systems Inc., Mountain View, Ca


I've sent you mail but if that doesn't reaches you, try the
following addresses

uunet!sco!waseems
waseems@scol.uucp

Also try routing the mail via ucsc (university of california at santa cruz)

regards
waseem

-- 
Waseem A. Siddiqi                                 Tel:    (416) 922 1937 
SCO Canada                                        email: waseems@sco.com 
Toronto, Canada                                        uunet!sco!waseems
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From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: Is Islam equal to Intolearnce and Fascism ?
Summary: Hyder insults christianity, maybe !
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:23:16 GMT
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.

In article <l9ktghINNcaa@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>, hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
> In article <1992Aug24.231113.15684@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
> >
> >Let me ask you one question. Does Islam recognise the people's right
> >to decide against an Islamic system?
> 
stuff deleted

> 4: Benazir Bhutto and all elitists like her (Asma Jehangir and co.)
>    should realize that Islam is not christianity which can be
>    relegated to some personal gimmicks and rituals. Islam covers
>    both personal and public. 
> 
Hyder Bhai:

 I think you have just insulted christianity. I think 
we should be careful in our language if we insist that others
should be careful in theirs.

 It is my belief that christianity is NOT some second class
religion, which NON-SERIOUS take up for as a SIDE-RELIGION.
It is a serious religion and it is dearly loved by its followers.
I respect christianity for many of its aspects and I think  other
religions including ISLAM can learn from it.

Like Mohd[pnuh], I will only say

 May your Allah[swt] show you tolerance !
 
regards,

-Naveed
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: alam@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ALAM AFSHAN)
Subject: the terminator part n : )
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:08:19 GMT

azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:

>	   On the contrary, a hard man is easy to find, and so is a good
but the combination? man that is *hard* er difficult to find:)

>man. The problem is that they don't say good (and hard) for too long
>after one finds them. Unfortunately, shooting terminates good (and
i'd ask why not. but this newsgp is g-rated. wouldnt wanna corrupt innocent
minds :)

>hard) men. 
ah.and then rigor mortis sets in.mayb thats the soln to longterm hardness
+ gdness(ever known a copse to marry again or do other rotten stuff?) 

>	   Salman [I did not shoot the deputy] Azhar
just fired the guy eh?:)
no1's implying u shot him.such gratuitous assertions can only ld to trbl:)

Afshan. where *does* 1 apply for a licence to kill:)
From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Islam a fascist ....
Date: 25 Aug 1992 14:04:43 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug24.202328@IASTATE.EDU> jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed A Khan) writes:
>
>
>Then whats all the argument about. Since the actors have allegedly defiled
>the name of the Prophet, let the matter be decided between the Prophet and
>these actors :)

Please see my reply to Naveed Sherwani's question. The algorithm is
only my recollection of what I read some time ago. This will indeed make
one appreciate the work of Muslim jurists who had worked out these
details at least a thousand years before 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Subject: Panth & Kaaj
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 04:16:38 GMT




>What does the urdu/hindi word "pent" mean ? 
>As in the saying "Eik pent, do kaj"...of which the english equivalent would be
>"Killing two birds with one stone" 


>NadeemS

It is "panth" <== Pay+Noon+Tay+Hay
Panth means group of people following same philosophy, religon, ethics etc.
Kaaj means deeds, actions, work ( as in kaam-kaaj).
A correct translation of ek panth doe kaaj will be " a person with 
mutliple abilities"..... or something like Jack of two trades. But,
more commonly it is used in the same sense a "Killing two birds with one
stone". 
	Killing two birds with one stone will be more appropriately
translated in Urdu/Hindi as "ek teer say doe shikaar"
	Panth and Kaaj have probably come into Urdu from Sanskrit, like so
many other words, via old North India languages such as Brijbhasa etc.

mansoor khan
cleveland




Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.arabic
From: g9220348@cc.uow.edu.au (adil shaikh)
Subject: Re: Fwd: NEWS: Valley of torture, rape
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 09:32:24 GMT



Kashmir for Kashmiris:

Utho utho ae Kashmirr
Bahot ho chuki kohra si zindagi

Seh chuka zulm-o-sitam
bahot ho chuki sabra ki zindagi

Na hai vatan Hind apna Na hi koi Pakistan
Hai vatan Apna vatan Pyara Vatan 

Vo hai vatan Kashmir 
Vo hai vatan Kashmir
Vo hai vatan Kashmir

Badal chuki voh Dharti German
Yak ho gai zamiN  Yaman

Socho Abtak kuN haiN
DAKHAL BE-DAKHAL HAM HI HAM.

Utho utho ae Kashmiri
Bahot ho chuki kohra si zindagi


Bye
Adil
From: amarmahb@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Amar Mahboob Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Needed roommate for apt. in NYC Queens neighbourhood.
Date: 24 Aug 92 01:40:17 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


This is being posted as a service to a freind who does'nt have news
access. Please respond to the phone number given.

--
Needed roommate for apt. in NYC Queens neighbourhood.

Looking for Pakistani professional/student to share an apartment in
Flushing, New York. For more info call  Syed at (718) 461-2038   after-hours.
Or (201) 438-2400 ext 267. leave message.

--
Amar Mahboob
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From: hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.rights.human
Subject: Re: Is Islam equal to Intolearnce and Fascism ?
Date: 26 Aug 1992 13:59:22 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: pageboy.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug25.221101.27876@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
>In article <l9kuhuINNde9@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
::
::The problem is NOT "intolerance" of ISLAM, but the hypocricy of the
::elites. Why can't they muster enough moral courage to come out in the
::open and say that they don't want to be called Muslims because they
::don't like Islam. All the elite presidents and prime-minister of Pakistan
::including ZAB (remember banning alcohal, Friday holiday etc),
::BB (don't forget the ever present dupatta), Zia, NS have used
::Islam to further their own agenda (which obviously without Islamic
::front they wouldn't have been able to impose).
:
:What's so amoral about sticking to the tradition of calling oneself
:Muslim??? If one's perception of Islam allows him to be less fanatical,
:he/she doesn't become obliged to renounce allegiance to Islam. 

Sorry, I can't continue this train any further.
Please refer to my earlier post.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali)
Subject: Re: Islam: Difference b/w blasphemy and Criticizm
Organization: Technical University of Nova Scotia, Halifax, N.S.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 00:37:44 GMT

In article <l9qokhINN6ut@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.220339.1764@sol.cs.wmich.edu> sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani) writes:
>>In article <l9nki5INN434@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>, hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>>
>>I guess the discussion is about blasphemy. There is a BIG
>>difference between blasphemy and rape/murder/etc.
>

....... (stuff deleted)

>
>In Islam, an "act" is considered "criminal" if its commission
>results in the violation of some right of the "affectee".

I assume you mean the right as defined by Islam... which may be considered
some what arbitrary by many. 

>
>This is irrespective of whether the due process of law is 
>physically capable of ascertaining it or not. It is here we see the
>clear divergence of Islam from other legal codes. Although,
>an Islamic court is "constrained" to give the verdict within
>the physical limitations of the court, Allah's court on
>the day of judgement is under no such constraints. Even though
>a murderer can go scott free in a USA law if the dead body can not 
>found, the same is not true in the Islamic law. Just because
>a dead body can not be found, is no reason to let the person go
>free. I agree that in such a case a worldly Islamic court can not
>hang the murderer (because the due process of law didn't prove it),
>however, JUSTICE will then be done in the hereafter.
>
>Similarly, if a court can NOT prove the "insult", it does not mean
>that "insulting behavior" will not be punished and the affected
>person will not have his redress. Justice will be done, if not
>here, then in the hereafter.

...... (stuff deleted)

Either Islam is the true religion or it isn't. By true religion, I mean
that Islam's god exists and that he conveyed only truth to Mohammad (pbuh)
who in turn conveyed only and all the truth he was told to convey.

If Islam is the true religion, then irrespective of what social system we
follow here, or what we believe in, everyone is going to have to answer in
the "hereafter." It's not that justice will not be renderred to those who
believe in other religions. So, the "hereafter"-justice will be meted out
to people of all religions. It's not Islam that ensures that justice will
be done... it is a fact that justice will be done... irrespective of anyone's
religious beliefs.

If, on the other hand Islam is not the true religion (not necessarily a
false religion), then Islam's reference to the "hereafter" and its justice
is immaterial.

What you say only shows how lacking in depth your own understanding is.

Nadeem

-- 
Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
						 
School of Computer Science			  
Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7882  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Subject: Re: DESI JOKES (adults) #10
Reply-To: uds@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Seetamraju Udaybhaskar)
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 09:17:07 GMT

reply to a adult joke...


In article <1992Aug28.221654.13572@digi.lonestar.org> msardar@digi.lonestar.org (Mohammed Tariq Sardar) writes:
>	 Title of the Joke:	     EVERY THING IS BIG IN PUNJAB
>
>		    breasts size of PUNJABI mellons, unable to hide his feeling 
				   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>		    he goes " LADY,  ARE YOU SURE, YOU ARE NOT FROM PUNJAB"
>		    					Tariq Sardar

Too good ! bossu ! TOo good!  It woke me up completely. Its 5:16 am now!


Seetamraju Udaya Bhaskar Sarma
(email : seetam @ ece7 . eng . wayne . edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan