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From: alan@ernest.dseg.ti.com (Alan Edmonds)
Subject: Re: Indy and F1: IN CAR CAMS
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc. - Plano, Tx
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 19:52:56 GMT

In article <BuKvLw.IEC@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> white@watsci.uwaterloo.ca (Brad White) writes:
>Hello,
>	In the telecast for last weekends Indy race, it was mentioned in a
>tech report (or whatever they are called :) ) how the in car cams work.  My
>question is this, they mentioned that the microwave sender and camera unit
>wiegh about 8 pounds.  Would this not affect the speed of the car?  I know
>that it isnt much, but in the Indy 500 this year for instance, wouldnt that
>much weight possibly have changed the outcome?  

In F1, cars without cameras carry a 5 kg ballast to offset the weight penalty.
I imagine CART does a similar thing.

>Also, are the teams paid for this/?  Who pays for the new cowling cover that
>holds the camera unit?

I don't think teams are paid; otherwise wouldn't everyone want one?  
I'm not sure about the cowling cover.  Seems like a minimal expense.
The sponsors sure like carrying a camera though; there are some pretty
strange places for logos/ads  on a car until you realize that "there must
be a camera somewhere near there.."  Several drivers have reversed image
logos on their helmets; looks perfect from the in-car camera.  Reference
Scott Braytons' Holchest-Celenase (sp?) on the rear suspension members; ditto
on Rahal's Miller Genuine Draft.  


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From: Mika.Paakko@lut.fi (Mika Paakko)
Subject: Lehto signs for Sauber 
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 04:28:39 GMT
Distribution: rec
Reply-To: Mika.Paakko@lut.fi
Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland


JJ will be driving for Sauber in 1993. Info from AFP.
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From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: Andretti signs for McLaren
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 17:39:03 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

In article <1992Sep9.201557.1233@b8.b8.ingr.com> drhall@b8.b8.ingr.com (Dave Hall) writes:
>> 
>Glad to see an American in Formula 1 again! I wonder how long
>those F-1 prima donnas wil tolerate MA's aggressive style!!!
>
Much the same way as they handle Mansell, Senna, Berger, Schumacher, .. ,
all of whom drive with as much agression as MA shows.  In addition, one
or two of the above-mentioned drivers manage to combine agression with
intelligence, which is necessary when you are no longer almost the only
driver prepared to regularly go all-out for the win.  Let's hope that
MA learns to temper his agression with enough wisdom to finish races.
Come to that, let's hope that he gets a car good enough to allow him
a real chance to compete - that is by no means certain at present!
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From: cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (David Cornutt)
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Bye bye Hut?!
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:32:23 GMT

BWF2@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>       Just read in this mornings paper that Bobby Allison
>       fired Hut shortly after the race on Sunday. There
>       will be a different driver behind the wheel on Saturday.
>       Bobby? Hope not.

It's possible we will see not only Bobby but also Cale Yarborough
back behind the wheel next year.  Both of them have sponsorship deals
that expire at the end of the year, and it seems the only way they
can draw sponsorship is if they get in the car themselves.

-- 
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(cornutt@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov; some insane route applies)
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not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary."
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From: hagood@sabre.den.mmc.com (Dave Hagood)
Subject: Re: Bruins free-agent camp question...
Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 18:11:13 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.000238.23676@cabot.balltown.cma.COM>, welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:
|> [deletia]
|> 
|> not a chance.  jordan's going to drive in the second Menard seat
|> at indy, but he doesn't have a ride for the rest of the year.
|> 

	WHAT!  And here I thought he was going to drive for the Hudson
F1 team...

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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: News on Piquet?
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:24:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.161852.839@bnr.ca> Cory Houston writes:
>Last I heard he got out of hospital about a month after the Indy 500 and got an
>apartment in Indianapolis in order to rehab himself. He also announced his
>retirement from autoracing. Too bad, I would have like to see him race Andretti
>in identical cars in F1.....

Last I heard he was looking forward to racing in Indycars again, but he does
think his injuries may have ruled out F1 (and possibly Indycar races
involving lots of shifting--but what about the semi-auto's in F1?).

--
Jay C. Smith
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From: apayton@acorn.co.uk (Andrew W Payton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Andretti signs for McLaren
Date: 7 Sep 92 12:59:23 GMT
Organization: Acorn Computers Ltd, Cambridge, England


 American Michael Andretti has signed to
 drive for the McLaren Formula One team 
 in the 1993 world championship.        
                                        
 The reigning Indy Car champion, son of 
 former F1 champion Mario Andretti, will
 replace Ferrari-bound Gerhard Berger.  
                                        
 Andretti has won 26 Indy Car races and 
 captured 24 pole positions since 1986. 
                                        
 He signed a contract with McLaren at   
 Bloomfield Hills, Michigan but no      
 details have been revealed.            
                                        


---Andrew

   Information Systems Group    EMail:     apayton@acorn.co.uk
   Acorn Computers Ltd          Telephone: +44 223 245200
   

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    --Ted Striker Airplane II
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From: scarlett@esrican.uucp (B.Scarlett)
Subject: 1986 Toronto Indy
Reply-To: bscarlett@esri.com
Organization: ESRI Canada
Distribution: tor
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:10:41 GMT

I need some useless racing trivia :)

Who won the '86 Toronto Indy?  
Where did Mario Andretti finish?
Was 1986 the first Toronto Indy?

Thanks

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Bruins free-agent camp question...
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 18:31:16 GMT

In article <92255.130923GGN100@psuvm.psu.edu> You Know Who <GGN100@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I may have missed this posting, but can anyone provide any information
>on the bruins free-agent camp? I guy I went to high school and college
>with is trying out for the team and I haven't heard much about how he
>did. His name is Mike Messner. (A Pittsburgher in the NHL? One can only
>hope :)
>
>Greg

Uhmmmm......oh, ok.  Michael Andretti received an honorary jersey and
was featured at a Pittsburgh Penquin game last season.  I don't know
of any conflicts between the Penguin's schedule vs the F1 schedule in
'93.  If there are, I guess old JP and Bernie will have to make a
decision.

And didn't Al Jr. receive the same accolades by the Lakers???  I know
it's silly season, but the talk about Michael Jordan getting the N-H
ride next year is too far out....

-c'ball-

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From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
Subject: Re: Political Campaigns using Motorsports
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:30:15 GMT


It's not too surprising to see Clinton 'boo'ed...after all, the King
endorsed Bush...who's gonna go against the King?? ;-)

If Richard Petty claims to be a Republican, it's not surprising to see the
rest of pit road snub ol' Bill Clinton...  ;-)

Not that Richard Petty is God(tm) or anything, but he's darn close!

 -Steve "Just say no to politics in Auto Racing"
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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F1 Question
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:08:41 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Bob Kehoe writes:
>For those more knowledgeable:
>
>When Jochen Mass won the F1 race in Spain in 1975, the race
>was stopped before half-distance because of a fatal accident.
>Who was involved?

Rolf Stommelen, also a German, crashed and there were 5 spectators
killed.  Stommelen was later killed in an IMSA race at Riverside
in '83.

Dan Jones
From: donb@pdx.csd.mot.com (Don Bolton)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Marlboro Challenge Question
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:36:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: pdxvme.1308
Reply-To: donb@pdx.csd.mot.com (Don Bolton)
Organization: HERE? You've *got* to be kidding

In article <1992Sep2.115903.52324@gmuvax.gmu.edu> dreining@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:

>           Roberto Guerrero has qualified for the Marlboro
>           Challenge because of his pole at Indy. Does
>           anyone know who will provide him with a ride 
>           for this race? 

>           DAVE     dreining@gmuvax.gmu.edu


Rumor mill has International Harvester, Massey Fergusson, and John Deer
all willing to provide him with a tractor for the event :-)




Don "never crash on the warm-up lap, you won't live it down" Bolton
From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Mansells quits F1 !!!!
Date: 13 Sep 92 22:42:29 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Francisco J. Diaz writes:
>
> And today's Indy race was won by E. Fittipaldi, P. Tracy second and Al
>Unser Jr. finished third taking over the PPG cup points lead by a single
>point over Bobby Rahal...Rahal crashed 9 laps into the race and Michael
>Andretti had engine failure at the halfway point of the race. Now the points
>battle is very very tight...This one will go down to the last race! Curiously
>enough, there has been rumours that Newman/Haas racing will buy Little Al's
>contract from Rick Galles and have him drive together with Mario...What do
>you all think about all this? :-)

Well, thanks for the spoiler warning!  I taped the Mid-Ohio race and made it
a point to only read the F1 posts (I watched the race this morning).  Of course,
some kind soul decided to put the results of the Indycar race in an F1 post.  

Thanks again........

Rob U, was being very sarcastic......
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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Group Seven History, 1965 - 1970; - the finding of...
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:43:09 GMT
Distribution: rec.autos.sport
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

Anders Hedborg writes:

>	-I'm looking for detailed reports of the sixties CAN-AM, USRRC,
>SCCA-Nationals and other races for cars of the same category, ie G7 (G9).
>
>Here in Sweden it is more or less impossible to find it, if you want more
>detail than Road & Track, Car & Drive or Sports Car Graphic give.

>Where do I find: Entry lists, results, pictures and *GOOD* reports, (like
>Autosports coverage of European events).

>	-Any suggestions most welcome!

AutoWeek & Competition Press used to do a pretty good job with their coverage
of the CanAm series during this period.  They included the starting grid, race
reports and race results, much like you see in AutoSport race reports these 
days.  I think I remember that R&T also had pretty good reports during this 
period so if that wasn't good enough, I'm not sure what you are looking
for.

AW even carried event reports of the SCCA-Nationals listing the winners of
each class and brief race reports on some of the more significant classes.

I'm not sure when it started, but it seems to me somewhere in the early '70s
both AW and R&T started to shift away from the sports side of automobiles.

If you are interested in a good reference on the history of the CanAm, '65-'70
I would recommend at book by Karl Ludvigsen, *Group 7, The World's most 
powerful road racing cars*.

Dan Jones
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From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Re: Ron Dennis on aggression (was Re: Andretti signs for McLaren)
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 01:43:35 GMT

In <1992Sep14.144502.8205@aa.cad.slb.com> wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson) writes:

>In article <1992Sep9.201557.1233@b8.b8.ingr.com> drhall@b8.b8.ingr.com (Dave Hall) writes:
[ .. stuff deleted about who Ron Dennis thinks are agressive drivers .. ]

>That leaves two.  Who could they be...

Schumacher would have to be one of them (since Ronny tried to sign him).

How 'bout Alesi as well ?

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Indy and "rookies" [was Re: M. Andretti, what a deal for Mclaren!!]
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 16:38:01 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.154644.20908@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry) writes:
>But the fact is there are few tracks with as little margin for error,
>and as much emphasis on balls-to-the-walls driving and all-out speed,
>as The Speedway.  The difference between a winner and a crasher there
>is often a matter of inches.  Name any track on the F1 circuit with as
>little margin for error.
>
And from what I've heard and read about the new changes at IMS with the
pit entrance/exit lanes, that 'little margin of error' may be even
smaller by a few microns.

And just to remind everyone of the fact, Piquet's 'rookie mistake' was
getting out of the power much too quickly when the yellow came out.
'Course this year, the basically the same mistake was made by some vets
as well.

Oh.....it now appears that Guerrero is almost a sure bet to be Kenny
Bernstein's driver in Bud colors.  So that begs the question:  If you're
a (competitive) car owner, do you go with Cheever or Pruett?  YOUR call,
and not that of the sponsors'.

-c'ball-

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From: wgd@bbt.com (Wally Dixon)
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Ticket info for Michigan Int'l Speedway
Reply-To: wgd@alcatraz.UUCP (Wally Dixon)
Organization: BroadBand Technologies, Inc.,  Research Triangle Park, NC
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 13:59:34 GMT

In article <jwj2.130@po.CWRU.Edu> jwj2@po.CWRU.Edu (Jermaster) writes:
>My father and I are interested in going to see a Winston Cup race at
>Michigan International Speedway in Brooklyn, MI, sometime next year.
>Problem is, we don't know who to contact for ticket information. Anyone
>know who to contact for info on getting tickets for a race? Any help
>would be greatly appreciated.
>

Michigan International Speedway
12626 U.S. 12
Brooklyn, MI  49230
(517) 592-6671


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From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Monza F1
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 23:22:00 +0000

I DO think Mansell decided to let Patrese in front: He waited til
Patrese was past Senna and then let him past. He was clearly having a
bit of fun setting fastest laps behind Patrese.

I don't know if his gearbox failed or if he just felt so pissed off
that he packed it in.

Patrese defintely had a suspension problem.

Senna was almost Prost-like in his patience.

Schumacher couldn't catch Brundle even on fresh tyres....

Well Well Well.
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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Subject: Re: Jordan F1
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:34:35 GMT


In article <10702296.12.716186870@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>,
10702296@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (DECLAN MC) writes:
|>
|>Can someone please tell me why Jordan dropped Ford engines and picked up 
|>Yamaha? This was their worst decision of '92.  With 3 new teams coming in 
|>next season and the car going as bad as it is, how are they going to compete?

I thought this was mainly a monetary decision.  Eddie has to pay Ford for
the customer engines, but since Yamaha is a development program, they pick up
the bill for engines and engine R&D.

--PSW
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From: marcink@quantum.carleton.ca (Marcin Kolbuszewski)
Subject: Re: Patrese in the late 70s
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 13:17:18 GMT

> ... on Ronnie Peterson's fatal accident...
>>
>> I guess I am too young to remember any of this, so if someone knows
>>who David Hobbs was referring to, and maybe some more details on the
>>whole issue...
>>
>
>  The driver in question is James Hunt, aka Hunt the Shunt.  The
>reason that David Hobbs didn't mention his name is probably because
>Hunt was sitting a couple booths away.
>
>  Andrew J. Greenshields 
>  andy@cs.clemson.edu        
>  [dxandy@cs.widener.edu]    


I am a bit too young too, but after a discussion about Lotus 
dominance with one of the netters, I learned something about this
accident.

Front rows of the grid were aligned and stoopped. Young Patrese was
still coming to stop in one of the back rows, when the starter gave the green
So young ( and aggresive like all young drivers) Patrese pushed forward, on
the side of the track. Obviously there was not enough space on the track
so somebody had to give way etc. At the end A few cars collided and gasoline
ignited. Peterson when removed from the wreck was "relatively OK", with
a plenty of broken bones ( hands and legs only ) an not too large burns.
He was conscious.

Summarizing: The green went on before all cars were stopped.
Patrese was charging on side of the track using his pre-start speed.
There was a big mess afterwards. 

Marcin


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From: TBACKMAN@finabo.abo.fi (Timo B{ckman PRA)
Subject: Andrea Moda
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 08:19:35 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20


According to some newspapers, the Andrea Moda team isn't allowed to
run cars in the remaining GP's of the 1992 season. The head of the
team, Andrea ****, has been arrested for some economic problems.

The newspapers mentioned also that there would be three new teams for
the 1993 season: Sauber, Pacific Racing and a spanish team. Sauber
should be OK, but have anyone heard something about the others?

Timo B{ckman
From: unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Political Campaigns using Motorsports
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:00:08 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Bob Kehoe writes:
>
>So now we have the candidates showing up at racetracks (like
>Clinton at Darlington the other day).  But it really bothered
>me that ol' DW was wearing his Bush/Quayle button quite clearly
>in the post-race interviews.  Now I like DW as much as the other
>guy, but I really am against the driver's displaying thi
>their political persuasion in front of the cameras.  And I also
>wonder what the sponsors' stand is along these lines.  Is it just
>me or is this bugging anybody else?

It doesn't bother me in the least, unless of course my favorite driver is
wearing a Clinton button... :-)  Seriously, I find some of the sponsors
more offensive than any political buttons.  I think it's great that we
get the reminders that we should take an interest in the US political
process.  Apathy is too prevalent......

>Along these lines, a funny one recently in Autoweek:  "Vice President
>Dan Quayle, at Talladega where he was honorary starter for a Winston
>Cup race: "I've attended the Indianapolis 500, that's Formula One, no
>t stock cars, but the idea's the same."  What idea?  Infields full of
>happy campers."

Okay, the next person not from Indiana who pokes fun at a Hoosier better be
ready for a little "attitude correction"  ......   :-)

Rob U, remember to vote in November.... It's time to clean House .....

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From: white@watsci.uwaterloo.ca (Brad White)
Subject: ESPN Coverage
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:44:47 GMT

Correct me if I am wrong, but does ESPN have any control over the camera
shots of the F1 race?  I thought they wer dependent on Italian tv...  Maybe
we shouldnt bash them too much....
Brad

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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Not good news (sponsors)
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 22:00:39 GMT

It's getting rather serious, and scary:

Scuttlebutt has it that Tide will walk away with
its TransAm Series support, as well as it being
likely that Camel will withdraw from IMSA.

Sure hope there's some healthy corporations out
there that will pick up the slack next year, or
we may just not have a whole lot to talk about
here.....

-c'ball-