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From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Image Bashing -- Why???
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:34:25 GMT
Reply-To: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu


	I just read through 200 or so articles on this subgroup, and caught
a distinct (shall I say) hatred  for (or at least SERIOUS frowing upon)
>>any<< Image title.  I say they don't all deserve it.
	OK, so the artists may act like cocky, spoiled snobs some of the 
time, but if the art is passable (and in some cases exceptionable) and the
stories are coherent, whats the complaint?
	I mean,  so TMF refuses to second print any of the Spawns and is
probably sitting on a few thousand Spawn #1's at home.  Much of his art
in the series is absolutely breathtaking, even if the story could use
a push (I don't really think that Spawn #3 really needed to happen.  It 
kinda seems like TMF forgot something and quickly wrote #3 to compensate.).
	Jim Lee's WildC.A.T.S., all one issue so far, featured the same
Jim Lee art we grew to know and love in the X-Men, only now he's writing
on his own.  And the story's not bad, either!
	Shadowhawk was OK, both in art and story.  This series could get
really great with some effort.  The mystery hero is just a gimmick, but
an effective one.
	Finally, have any of you read Larsen's Savage Dragon?  The art
is high caliber while the story kicks with some real power.  True, some
of those names are really awful (SuperPatriot?  >>Mighty Man<<?!?), but the
plot more than makes up for little things like that.  I'm lookin' forward to
#3, personally.  Try it.  You may like it.
	I do, however, agree that Youngblood blows serious chow.
	Gripe about the people, complain about the arrogance of the artists,
but don't rank on the quality of ALL the titles.  Most have been enjoyable.

	Until a future x-over features Psylocke and her carbon copy, Zealot,
				King Rat signing off!!!
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From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: What happened to "The Aerialist" by Matt Wagner?
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 17:59:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep23.080558.11304@sdcrsi.cray.com>, kathyli@sdcrsi.cray.com
(the Rev. Mom) writes:
|> In the summer issue of GAY COMICS, they've also announced that
|> an upcoming issue will have a Wagner Aerialist cover and story.

...except that, as of now, GAY COMICS is suspended, and without a publisher.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Miracleman #23: Afterthinks
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:13:10 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Scotland.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


  The difference between MM, KM and MW may be due to their relative experience.

Bates spent most of his time in as KM, and ended up with a split personality.
Moran spent most of his time as Moran, and ....
Leer spent time regularly swaping between bodies,  of the three she coped with
the situation best.
 
Perhaps the answer is that regular swaping is needed to keep the personalities
of all bodies in sync.  This may be a flaw in the Gargunza adaptation of the
Qys technology.  Remember that during the dream programing only the miracle
bodies were in use.
-- 

		~~~~~/\~~~~~
Iain McCord	~~~~/()\~~~~	Mon Oct  5 21:13:08 WET DST 1992
		~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:32:36 GMT
Subject: Re: FLAME: Liefeld Art(?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc

In rec.arts.comics.misc, John Hamilton Slye <jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
> I studied art history in high school; and so when I see a person drawn,
> I like the subject to be in proportion! (NOTE: I don't like 20th century
> "art" either)

Perhaps if you had gone onto college art history you could avoid
making sweeping statements like, "I don't like 20th century art."

> 
> I loved the drawing in this year's Marvel Swimsuit Issue of Cable, it
> was a total rip on Liefeld's inability to draw in proportion.

It was trivial and cliched like most comic art.

> 

doug 
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From: dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dara Naraghi)
Subject: Re: that little box in the lower corner
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:55:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.014804.25551@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes:
>
>Obscure Trivia Lad says he thinks it stands for "United Parcel Code."
>Or something like that.

	Close.  I think it stands for "Universal Product Code".  Its
the same as the boxes on everything you buy at a grocery store.  Its
used scan the price of the item.  The newstand editions of comics have
them because they are sold in supermarkets and drug stores where items
are scanned by the cashiers (although its been my experience that these
codes on comic books are never entered into the system in most stores and
the cashiers have to punch in the price manually).
-- 
*****************************************************************************
* Dara Naraghi                       * "Love isn't really blind...just      *
* dnaraghi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu *  selectively nearsighted"--The Hulk  *
*****************************************************************************
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From: tsm@access.digex.com (The Secret Man)
Subject: Batman: TAS (was: The Harvey Dent dilemma)
Organization: The Quiet Room
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 06:03:23 GMT

kinnes@unvax.union.edu (Steven W. Kinne) writes:
[opening comments deleted]
>The animated series took Harvey Dent and completed his story. This I respect.
>They even foreshadowed it well (remember the scene in "On Leather Wings" where
>Det. Fuller asks if he can get a special force to capture Batman and Dent says
>he'll prosecute while idly flipping a coin? Very cool!). The whole origin was
>developed well... thoroughly enjoyable! I can't wait to see Part II on Monday!

Having (within the last few hours) seen the second part of this story, and
also having seen several other episodes (on tape), I'd have to agree that the
Two-Face story was well written.  I don't care for the look of the character,
but then I've almost *never* cared for the look of the character - most of
the time we're not seeing realistic acid damage (I've seen old scar tissue
from acid burns on a teacher way back when I was in high school, although that
person had not had half of their *head* exposed to acid... just part of the
cheek and neck).

In spite of that, though, the *story* was nicely done.  Harvey is given some
depth (although the "childhood trauma that deforms the person" needn't have
been played;  it would suffice if Dent was just a moral and decent man who
starts to crack up under pressure), and neatly so considering the time in
which the story has to be told.  His crack-up and conversion to Two-Face are
equally neatly done, without wasted movement, and the climactic scene is very
well handled.  I really wondered for a moment of Dent was going to *SPOILER*.


In general, for an animated program intended for kids, BATMAN: The Animated
Series has been remarkably well done.  It's a strange mixture of the many
interpretations of Batman;  it has had some things which were more than just
satisfactory.  Their Mr. Freeze was wonderful.

Finally, the voices (and the people doing them) are also quite surprising.
If I am to believe my eyes, Christopher Lloyd did Mr. Freeze (and it did in
fact sound like Lloyd's voice, which was bugging me while I watched), and
the Joker (in the episode with the garbage barge full of psychoactive fumes)
was played by Mark Hamill (whose voice interpretation I didn't personally
care for, but I was vastly surprised to discover that it was him).

-- 
The Secret Man
tsm@digex.com
"...and in an extended Public Display of Dis-affection, a Hyattsville man
 shot and killed his entire football team today.  Film at eleven."
From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Today's villians...what went wrong?
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:13:24 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <92272.111019U16244@uicvm.uic.edu> U16244@uicvm.uic.edu writes:
>Okey Dokey.  I admit that Taskmaster is not a new new character, but he isn't
>considered one of those classics since he's only been around for fifteen
>years. (Do you consider She-Hulk a classic character?  They came out about the
>same time as well.)  The reason why I developed Battlemaster was to take the
>best abilities of Taskmaster and make him an actual match for guys with real
>super powers. (Well, actually, I was going to upgrade him with some Iron Man
>type armor which would be able to duplicate, if not the abilities, the moves
>and appearance of his foes.)  Taskmaster is a great Marvel villain, and he
>should be used a hell of a lot more.

So what do we call those characters that are no longer new, but aren't
classics yet?

Oh, and She-Hulk would be more of a classic character than Taskmaster,
since she has been used much more than TM.  One problem with TM is
that, if you use him too much, and he fights the same people, the
heroes shouldn't be able to defeat him, or they'd have to find some
new way of defeating him each time (they do anyway), and eventually
they'd find some real lame ways of doing that.  Okay, that's not
even close to being grammatically correct.  Like I care.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
From: terry@edsi.plexus.COM (Terry Dawson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Annotation Special 1 Revised
Keywords: sandman annotation
Date: 2 Oct 92 05:25:18 GMT
Organization: Enterprise Data Systems Incorporated, Appleton WI

>In article <1992Sep28.113313.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Inherit the Elmo) writes:
>>Page 21 panel 1:  Note the family portrait, with Delight, and the issue of
>>"Cosmopolitan" magazine.
>>	Panel 3:  It has been alleged that the goldfish are named Slim and
>>Wandsworth, although I'd like confirmation from a more authoritarian source.
>>	There is also the larger question of why Death has only human artifacts
>>in her flat.  The Endless are extremely anthropomorphic, and anthrocentric
>>(even Eurocentric, if you get right down to it).  The described nature of the
>>Endless, however, suggests a very much larger scope to their activities; we
>>expect that Death is present for alien deaths as well as for human ones, and
>>therefore should evince alien characteristics, at least on occasion.

We've already been shown Dream appearing as African to an African,
feline to a cat and alien to a Martian.  Why assume this
anthropomorphism and eurocentrism is anything more than their appearance
to the anthropomorphic, european Mr. Gaiman?  Appearances seem to vary
widely, depending on who's looking.

-- 
     Terry Dawson       | "Only connect!" | voice: (414) 832-6168
Appleton Public Library |                 |   fax: (414) 832-6422
  Appleton, WI 54911    |  -E.M. Forster  | terry@edsi.plexus.com
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Re: Today's villians...what went wrong?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:08:45 GMT

Of course you realize, that Gideon is just an attempt to make a more KEWL 
version of Taskmaster.  As in, "Wouldn't it be KEWL if Taskmaster didn't just 
copy reflexes, but powers too?  The he could kick some serious butt!"
     One of my fave things about Taskmaster is that when people with real 
powers show up, he usually begins his retreat (unless he thinks he can 
bushwhack them).  But, being the intelligent person he is, his retreat usually 
works.  Gideon is so damn powerful (able to use stolen abilities 10 times 
better than the owner can) that he needs no brains in combat.  But Taskmaster 
could whup his ass all the same.  Heh.
     Dave Van Domelen, would like to see a taskforce of nonmutants beat the 
crap out of Gideon
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From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay)
Subject: Re: Buy Cerebus!! (was Re: sm 2099)
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 23:15:35 GMT

dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran) writes:

>In article <1992Sep24.191048.20981@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, conty@cbnewsl (OtakuRoach) writes:
...
>>Anyway, if you want to buy comics as investment, one thing to keep in mind
>>is that comics with low print-runs are more valuable if they become popular
>>(there's less copies to be found).  So, my suggestion is this:
>>
>>			BUY "CEREBUS THE AARDVARK".

>It cracks me up that, given Enrique's advice here, probably the *best*
>investment you could make if you were to go the CEREBUS route would be
>to get the "Captain Cockroach" issue.  Aside from the first two or three
>issues, it is the most valuable and rare.

And probably next rarest after that is issue #31, which coincidentally is the
first major appearance of Moon Roach (he appears first on the last few pages
of issue #30.

Alexx

Alexx@world.std.com
"Just Say NO to Sushi"  -- Slogan of the Suicide Squid National Tour
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From: cerebus@engin.umich.edu (Joe Gorde)
Subject: Re: Cerebus #162
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 17:15:35 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>Question/afterthought:  Why was the Elf crying?  Just because she couldn't
>find her twin?

No, she's frightened; cf CEREBUS #161, "Cerebus, I'm scared."

                                    *Joe Gorde*

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                          "What is strong wins; that is the universal law.
                           If only it were not so often precisely what is
                           stupid and evil!"
                                        -Nietzsche
Organization: Sophomore, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
From: gatsby@wam.umd.edu (Ravindra Pillalamarri)
Subject: Re: Hellblazer #59
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 15:56:13 GMT

In article <z+!p6wh.frost@netcom.com> frost@netcom.com (John Frost) writes:
>spandex suits dropping in.  Besides just how would supes deal with 
	The Demon doesn't need to wear spandex.  Hehe.
	Seriously, though, Hellblazer is still part of the continuity, isn't
it?  And if something happens in the past in any book, I don't see anything
wrong with mentioning it in another book.  Now if Etrigan was part of, say,
the !mpact universe, we'd have a problem.
	It would bee good if Superman was "too tough" for the afterlife and
came back as a squirrel.  He can come back as Ch'p.  Hehe.

Ravi Pillalamarri
gatsby@wam.umd.edu

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From: shrum@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Rick Shrum)
Subject: Re: Marvel Collector's Comic
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr, Calif.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 19:48:56 GMT

In article <20788@plains.NoDak.edu> shjohnso@plains.NoDak.edu (Shawn Johnson) writes:
>
>>Anyone out there know of the comic that Marvel is giving out to
>>people who send in Charleston Chew wrappers?
>
>>Is it good?
>
>  Not really, its a little too chewy for my likes. :-)
>

In fact, I heard it bites.



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From: MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Mika H{nninen Inf)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Annotation 31 Revised
Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:42:46 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

In <8emG2vO00gpIQxd0oz@andrew.cmu.edu> "Andrew writes:

> 
> Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.info: 28-Sep-92 SANDMAN:
> Annotation 31 Revised Inherit the Elmo@fnalo.f (29693)
> 
> > Page 21 panel 5: 
> > 	"Get down and lick, Pain.": Probably a reference to bootlicking; may
> > also refer to the licking of wounds.
> 
> Another, ah, possibility comes to mind. This is Desire we're talking
> about, remember.
> 
> --Z
> 
> "And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."

If you are thinking what I think you are thinking then it's the same thing that
I thought when I read it. ;^) 
	
			- Mika
P.S. Can I say "Oral sex" in r.a.c.m ???
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From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Pro-choice Popeye reprinted?
Organization: QueerNet
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:25:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.174133.6830@tc.fluke.COM>, moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The
Napoleon of Crime) writes:
|> In <CMM.0.90.2.717560243.mlkenned@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
|> mlkenned@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Melita L Kennedy) writes:
|> 
|> >I remember hearing about the firing of the writer and/or artist on the
|> >Popeye comic strip due to a disagreement over a story that he did.  One
|> >of my friends is interested in reading the strips in question, and heard
|> >that they were to be reprinted in a magazine.  Anyone have any information?
|> 
|> I'd be interested in this as well.  (If there's a sequence where Popeye
|> swallows a can of spinach, and then beats the crap out of Pat Robertson,
|> I'll buy three.)

Bobby London was, indeed, fired from POPEYE over an allegorical sequence he
did involving Olive and the right to choice.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
From: c60b-3fe@web-3f.berkeley.edu (Coffee)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: CEREBUS recommendations?
Date: 7 Oct 92 03:05:11 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: web-3f.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct6.150119.59472@cc.usu.edu> sl859@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>      Dave Van Domelen, Waiter from hell, homeboy from hell....feh.  I am the 
>> GRADER FROM HELL!
>
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 [Further screaming deleted]

Funny. That's what I said when I read that too. :)

Coffee

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From: sewon@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov
Subject: Vampire Lestat
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 29 Sep 1992 17:54 EST  

What is this series (or mini-series) about?  How many issues have 
come out?  Who's the writer?  Who does the art?  Is it worth getting?  
Recommendations?

Thanks,
 - Wayne.
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From: speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty)
Subject: Re: Image Bashing -- Why???
Date: 3 Oct 92 17:32:24 MDT
Organization: The Erland Cult

In article <visser.718140933@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

>	1. fan-boy Snobs.  These people have a set of pre-conceved notions
>	about what an non-big-two comic (i.e. not from marvel/DC) should
>	look like.  The premire fan-boy snob is of course the publisher
>	of the comics journal who these days has a mentality that anything
>	not done by his own company is "evil" which of course ignores the
>	trash that he himself was putting on the market during the b&w 
>	boom.


What "trash" did Fantographics put out during the B&W boom?  Lord knows
they've put out some bad titles in their time, but I don't recall anything
I'd call trash (i.e. of low quality and done for purely cynical reasons).
I don't believe that they did any ADJECTIVE, ADJECTIVE, SMALL FURRY ANIMAL 
titles, for instance.

--
    "From your signature it is obvious that you are a homosexual"
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"How could I dance with another/When I saw him standing there"  --Tiffany
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From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: New Destruction! (SPOILER)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: gallery
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 21:00:27 GMT

dhawk@well.sf.ca.us (David Hawkins) writes:
>SPOILER WARNING for issue 3 or 'Brief Lives'


>Each time the symbol for Dream
>is a mirror image of Dream.  Each time Desire uses  her gallery the
>symbol for her/him is herself/himself.
>
>The only other gallery we'd seen ws Destiny's in Season of Mists #0,
>and the symbol for each of the Endless is a full statute of each.

Er, I though Destiny's images were paintings... And the one for Del was,
notably, Delight rather than Delirium. Picture of a cute li'l girl rather than
a swirl.  

>So now we get a new gallery -- or 'family room.'  And instead of a
>blank for the Prodigal, we have a sword.  Which leads me to conclude
>that the Prodigal has appointed a new Destruction to take over.  The
>Prodigal can call the new Destruction with the sword.

I think not. We've never seen Dream use his gallery before modern times; he
might have had a representation of his ruby there. Or, if he quit office
(which I don't think Dream yet has the make-up to do), he might hang up his
mask or his pouch there. Destruction might have dumped the symbol of his office
there rather than having representations with his siblings via which they could
call him. We just don't know why he keeps the notched sword on his place, but
if his place had been filled, the others would know to contact this person -
even, I suspect, if it were a different D than Destruction.

The office is in suspension, and I think the only person able to use the sword
is someone in situ - it doesn't hook up to anywhere unless it were the empty
reaches of an abandoned realm.

Tanaqui