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From: kene@sequent.com (Ken Ewing)
Subject: Looking for a used Sun IPC or IPX
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Distribution: or
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 16:55:43 GMT


A friend of mine has a small business and he wants to get a Sun 
workstation.  After looking at the retail prices he decided to 
look for a used one, so if you perchance know someone/somplace 
that has a Sun they'd like to sell, drop me a line by e-mail 
and I'll pass the referral on.  

Here are the desired features:  

  Sun IPC with:  32 MB DRAM 
                 >400 MB hard drive 
                 Cartridge tape 
                 CD rom reader 

        -- or -- 

  Sun IPX with:  16 MB DRAM 
                 >400 MB hard drive 
                 Cartridge tape 
                 CD rom reader 

Thanks a bunch.  

  Ken Ewing 
  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. 
  Beaverton, Oregon 
  kene@sequent.com 
  ...!uunet!sequent!kene 

Newsgroups: misc.forsale.wanted,comp.sys.hp
From: jbm@uncle.cmhnet.org (John B. Milton)
Subject: WANTED! 68000 POD and boards for an HP 64000 development system
Keywords: HP 64000 POD 68000
Organization: U.N.C.L.E.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 07:34:47 GMT

I am sure someone has this on a shelf collecting dust somewhere. I can dig
out the exact HP part numbers if you think you have it.

Please e-mail

John
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Amatuer radio: N8KSN, AMPR IP: 44.70.0.52; Don't FLAME, inform!
From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: FREE home hot-water heater
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:00:49 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.


First, the bad news. I just replaced my hot water heater and the sediment I drained  
out of the bottom of the tank may be rust. No metal flakes, just a very fine  
reddish-brown sediment.Of course, if the sediment was not rust but just 13 years  
accumulation of stuff from the town water supply, I have just replaced a thoroughly  
excellent home hot-water heater. The heater has NO leaks.

It's about 13 years old. The gas heater on it works perfectly, with automatic  
shut-off and all safety requirements. It's very fast - I think 44,000 BTU on a  
30-gallon tank, with a fast turn-around - I think it says 54 gallons per hour,  
faster than anything I could find for sale at Wards. It looks good - no obvious  
rust or damage of any kind. The fittings are standard - the brand-new Wards heater  
that I put in attached to the old installation with no problem.

We have always had lots of hot water from this (Sears) heater, for showers,  
dishwasher, and laundry. Just recently, after the heater has been sitting idle for  
a period of time, we have on occasion been seeing the sediment come up, but I don't  
know if this would still be the case now that I have drained it.

Anyway, if you want to take a chance, it's yours complete and free for the hauling.  
It's in Pacifica (on the coast) but I might be convinced to bring it to Menlo Park  
in my truck, if you can pick it up from the truck.

Not available in stores!

Rob

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|         Rob Weinberg           |  Workstation publications tech |
|   Email : robertw@informix.com |        Graphic designer        |
|   Voice : 415-926-6754         |     <imagine your ad here>     |
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From: dknight@ELM.SDD.TRW.COM (David B. Knight)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: Soloflex w/attachments FOR SALE
Date: 25 Aug 92 19:31:43 GMT


** LOCATED IN LOS ANGELES AREA **

Soloflex exercise machine with all original parts.
	- butterfly attachment
	- leg extension attachment
	- very good condition

Sells for ~$1,400 (last time I checked).

Sacrifice for $600.  Prefer pick-up in Los Angeles, but might
consider shipping (it's *really* heavy, though).

email or call Dave at (310)516-6812

  Dave Knight
  dknight@elm.sdd.trw.com
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: \/\/anted: LARGE FISH TANK
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 04:36:21 GMT


i don't suppose you live in any particular AREA CODE, do you
From: antoniou@buitc.bu.edu (George Antoniou)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: CBR600F '87
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:41:57 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: antoniou@buitc.bu.edu


Yeah!!!  CBR600F 1987  
	-It is beautiful and fast and smooth.  
	-24000 miles.
	-It's a super bike.

	$2500 - Must see.  

I'm in the Boston area.
Serious inquiries only, please.

giorgios   [antoniou@buitc.bu.edu]
From: lin@franklin.ee.umr.edu (Austin Lin)
Subject: Windows 3.0 for SALE... $25, shipping in U.S. included
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:32:46 GMT
Reply-To: lin@ee.umr.edu (Austin Lin)
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla
Originator: lin@ee.umr.edu

Not much else to say here.  They're on 5.25" HD diskettes, and the manual
is in excellent condition.  For those of you even remotely interested, I
did not use this to upgrade to OS/2 or Win 3.1  I do have Win 3.1 now, but
was quite the idiot and bought it at the regular price.  I'd appreciate
anyone helping me to recoup my losses...

Austin
lin@ee.umr.edu
Xref: sparky misc.forsale:25238 ne.forsale:3860 ny.forsale:1488 ba.market.misc:6789 ba.general:3641
From: dixjb@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Jonathan Barrymore Dix)
Newsgroups: athena.forsale,misc.forsale,ne.forsale,ny.forsale,ba.market.misc,ba.general
Subject: Looking for tickets...
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:24:12 GMT
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


I am looking for any tickets one way or round trip from LAX to BOSTON...

  Or anything in the Los Angelos area:

                        Ontario, John Wayne, or LAX.

    just trying to find Something...
From: dn1g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dawn Marie Neuhart)
Newsgroups: cmu.misc.market,misc.forsale
Subject: X-MEN, X-FACTOR, ETC. COMIX FOR SALE
Date: 2 Sep 92 10:20:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cedELOa00VpAE3c1lQ
Organization: Junior, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Hi,

Due to a lack of funds, I'm selling some of my collection.  If interested, 
please respond to this account.  All are in mint or near mint condition.


Thank you,

Dawn


What If...

	#32	(Phoenix had not died?)	$3

	 33	(Phoenix rose again?)		  3

Uncanny X-Men

	#285		$1.50

	286		1.50

	287		1.50

	288		1
	
	289		1

	290		1

	292		1

	Annual  #16  (Shattershot 1992 Annual Part 2)	$2

X-Men Classic

	#63	(origionally Uncanny X-Men #159)	$1

	74	(origionally Uncanny X-Men #170)	$1

X-Men (1991)

	#3		$2

	6		$2

	7		$2

	8		$2

	9		$2

	Annual #15  (Kings of Pain 1991 Annual Part 3)	$2
	Annual #16  (Shattershot 1992 Annual Part 1)	$3

X-Factor

	#70		$2

	71		$2

	73		$1.50

	74 (2 copies)	$1.50 each

	75		$1.50

	76		$1.50

	77		$1

	78		$1

	79		$1

	Annual #6  (Kings of Pain 1991 Annual Part 4)	$3

	Annual #7  (Shattershot 1992 Annual Part 3)	$3

X-Force

	Annual #1  (Shattershot 1992 Annual Part 4)	$2

Other

	Super-Heroes Winter 1991 Special featuring X-Men, Namor, and 		Ironman		$3

	Superman Annual #3 1991		$3
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: markd@locus.com (Mark Dubinsky)
Subject: 27" Sharp  Color TV for sale
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: la
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 02:32:11 GMT

A friend is selling her TV.  It's about 6 months old and originally cost
$800, but she is selling it for $400 OBO.

Please, don't respond to me.  Call Kathleen at (818)356-4942.
From: Don_Alder@mindlink.bc.ca (Don Alder)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: SUNRISE SAMPLER
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:00:38 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Looking of the guy wth the SUNRIZE 1012 sampler...could you please re-email me
as your last letter was redirect via the sysop so I had no way of replying bakc
to you ..thanks
DA

Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: mattb@eskimo.celestial.com (Matt Blumenfeld)
Subject: '66 Rambler Classic 4 Sale
Keywords: NICE!,Classic,Antique,Beautiful,Pretty
Organization: -> ESKIMO NORTH (206) For-Ever <-
Distribution: pnw
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:34:21 GMT


     Beautiful 1966 model Rambler Classic 550 for sale.
  *******************************************************
This car is really beautiful. The ORIGINAL paint still has
a nice shine to it, like a MUCH newer car. (It's a nice aqua
color.) The interior of this rig has to be seen to be
believed. It is VERY nice! The engine runs OK (just put a
new alternator and voltage regulator on it), but the tranny
needs work. Asking $350/OBO. (Will consider interesting
trades, not necessarily limited to cars.) If you're
interested, please contact Matt at 206-823-1261 for more
information. Thanks for your interest.

Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: saeed@d.cs.okstate.edu (SAEED FAISEL )
Subject: >>>---  dBase IV 1.1  ---  c h e a p   ---<<<
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Stillwater
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 19:56:24 GMT

-- complete 7-dis set

-- 600 page manual with SQL tutorial  (original)

Note:	This is the complete software, but  only the student version
	limited to 120 records per file.

Asking $30 obo only !!!    (COD pl add $5)
-- 

Faisel Saeed

Computer Science Department,   Oklahoma State University,   Stillwater, OK 
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: swalter@nyx.cs.du.edu (DreamWeaver)
Subject: WANTED:  Pagemaker 4.0 for the IBM
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 15:00:16 GMT


I'm desperately looking for a copy (full docs and disks ... registerable
or transferable) of Pagemaker 4.0 for the IBM/PC.
 
I'd also consider Pagemaker 3.0, and handle the upgrade myself.
 
Anybody out there help?
 
-Scotty
From: Nervid@cup.portal.com (Dave Dave Luke)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: VCR for sale
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 15:12:40 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

I have a Fisher VCR for sale in perfect working condition.  Play and record
in three speeds, onscreen programming.  All the normal features you'd expect
.  Rarely used.  Also, has a remote control.

I will do COD if desired.  If you live in the San Francisco Bay area, you
can come by and see it hooked up and working.

Cost:  $100.00 + shipping and handling costs.  I will accept reasonable
offers, if no one offers the full amount.

Dave Luke
627 South Mary Avenue
Sunnyvale, CA   94087

(408)737-2909

Dave Luke
nervid@cup.portal.com
From: Rob_Long@abcd.Houghton.MI.US (Rob Long)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: wanted tape drive
Distribution: world
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:22:56 EST
Organization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch

    Wanted, good working SCSI tape drive any size!! call or email...
218-365-6396

-- Via DLG Pro v0.995
From: Nervid@cup.portal.com (Dave Dave Luke)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: Microwave for sale
Date: Tue,  1 Sep 92 17:04:10 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Hi, I have a Sharp small-sized microwave oven for sale.  It is in perfe
ct condition.  Digital (no silly, inaccurate dials).  Clock.  Special
feature that allows you to start cooking things in one minute increments
with one button.  Plus all the other features you'd expect, like variable
temperature settings.  Excellent condition.

$100.00 plus cost of postage and handling.  I will do COD if requested.
If no one offers my asking price then best offer takes it.

Dave Luke
nervid@cup.portal.com

Dave Luke
627 South Mary Avenue
Sunnyvale, CA   94087

(408)737-2909
From: maji@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ji Ma)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: Nikon E series lense 50mm f/1.8 for sale
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:20:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

keyword: Nikon lense for sale

Nikon E series 50mm F1.8

Specification:

Focal length		50mm
Maximum aperture	f/1.8
Lens construction	6 elements in 5 groups
Picture angle		46 degree
Distance scale		Graduated in meters and feet from 0.6m (2.25ft) to 
			infinity
Aperture scale		f/1.8-f22; secondary ADR scale provided
Diaphragm		Fully automatic
Exposure measurement	Via full-aperture method with AI cameras
			Via stop-down method with non-AI cameras
Attachment size		52mm(P=0.75mm)
Mount			Nikon bayonet type
Dimensions		62.5mm dia. x33mm long; 24mm extension from camera's
			mounting flange
Weight			155g

Come with skylight filter, len cover (both front and rear), menual, 
In mint condtion.
From: peter@trc.tellabs.com
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: Equalizer forsale - perfect condition - $20
Date: 28 Aug 92 02:24:22 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Tellabs Research Center

I have one 12 band (6 per channel) equalizer for sale - asking $20 OBO

The equalizer is made by AudioControl, model #D-520.

Works perfectly, clean compact design.

Perfect addition to any stereo system.

Contact Peter Melsa at peter@trc.tellabs.com or (219)259-9818 (daytime EST)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale,misc.wanted
From: traynor@fnala.fnal.gov
Subject: Engagement/Wedding Ring Set Forsale
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:59:58 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnala.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

0.45 carat marquis cut diamond engagement ring and 10K wedding ring forsale.
Please make a reasonable offer.

					-Mike Traynor

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 N N N   D  D   Fermilab PO Box 500 MS 221 E683  |||     Only Amiga makes ///
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Newsgroups: umich.forsale,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.wanted
From: takriti@engin.umich.edu (samer Takriti)
Subject: Engineering Books for Sale
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 09:22:13 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: umich

(Sorry the previous message was sent by mistake)

I have the following books for sale:

Structural Analysis:

1. Finite Elements for Structural Analysis
   by Weaver and Johnston.
2. Theory of Structures
   by Timoshenko and Young.
3. Structural Analysis
   by Ghali and Neville.

Reinforced and Prestressed Concrete:

1. Reinforced Concrete Structures
   by Park and Paulay.
2. Prestressed Concrete Analysis and Design 
   by Naaman.
3. Reinforced Concrete Design
   by Wang and Salmon.
4. Reinforced Concrete, a Fundamental Approach
   by Nawy.
5. Simplified Design of Building Materials
   by Ambrose.
6. PCI design Handbook, Precast and Prestressed Concrete
   3rd edition.

Other:

1. Rock Engineering
   by Franklin and Dusseault.
2. Foundation Analysis
   by Scott.
3. Open Channel Hydraulics
   by Chow.
4. Surveying 
   by Singh.

All books are in excellent condition.

The prices are negotiable and I am open to offers. If interested e-mail
takriti@engin.umich.edu

-Samer
Newsgroups: misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers,ne.forsale,ny.forsale,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac
From: bed3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Benjamin E Delfin)
Subject: 205 MB hard drives for sale
Organization: not bloody much
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:03:16 GMT
X-Posted-From: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


3 Rodime 205 MB SCSI drives for sale, access time low twenties, extracted
from SPARC Is.  $275 each.

bed3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu

Benjamin Eli Delfin             | "The worst sin toward our fellow crea-
bed3@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu     |  tures is not to hate them, but to be
bed@curaim.phys.columbia.edu    |  indifferent to them: that's the
alberich@valkyrie.phys.etc      |  essence of inhumanity." - Shaw
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: ross@kaos.ingr.com (Ross Erickson)
Subject: 14.4K baud V.32bis/V.42bis FAX/modem for sale
Reply-To: ross@kaos.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:19:45 GMT

--
FOR SALE:  Accex 14.4K baud V.32bis/V42.bis modem with FAX
capabilities.  Comes standard with Bitcom and BitFax software.  Only
opened once to verify operation.  Contains phone cord, AC adapter,
software, registration card, and appropriate manuals.  Please email if
you're interested.

Price: $250.00
|------------------------------------------------------------------|
|  Ross Erickson             |                                     |
|  ross@kaos.b11.ingr.com    | "No individual raindrop considers   |
|  205-730-4019 - voice      |  itself responsible for the flood." |
|  205-730-6445 - fax        |                                     |
|  Internet: 129.135.252.87  |                                     |
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From: wgs1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Walter G. Seefeld)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale,rec.ham-radio.swap
Subject: PRO-2005 Scanner with Cellular Mod For Sale
Date: 31 Aug 92 04:19:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Mississippi State University


	Radio Shack PRO-2005 Scanner
-----------------------------------------------------
	25-520 MHz and 760-1300 MHz (continuous)
	AM/NFM/WFM Selectable
	400 channels in 10 banks
	10 search ranges
	Sound squelch (does not stop on dead carriers)
	Dual scan speeds
	Illuminated display
	AC/DC (12V) operation
	External antenna jack (BNC)
	Audio: speaker, headphone, line-level jack
	Battery-backed memory

	Included: scanner, antenna, manual.

	Asking:  $275 + shipping

--
Walter G. Seefeld                  wgs1@ra.msstate.edu
940 N. Jackson St. #1A             (601) 323-8369
Starkville, MS 39759               N5QXR
From: watters@mendel.genetics.washington.edu (Mike Watters)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: test
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:19:52 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

test

--
Mike
watters@genetics.washington.edu
Dept of Genetics, Univ of Washington  Seattle
(d) 206-543-1934   (e) 206-361-1156 
Xref: sparky misc.forsale:25393 rec.music.synth:14473 rec.music.makers:9383
From: dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell)
Newsgroups: misc.forsale,rec.music.synth,rec.music.makers
Subject: Alesis MMT-8 sequencer for sale $190 OBO
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:55:13 GMT
Article-I.D.: bradley.1992Sep4.205513.9423
Organization: Bradley University

The Alesis MMT-8 sequencer is an 8-track hardware sequencer and mine is in
excellent condition.  It's never been out of the studio in the 2 1/2 years
I've had it, it's never barfed or crashed, and all buttons are in working
order.  I don't know the exact size of the memory but it can generally hold
about four 3-minute pop songs.

$190 or best offer.  Would be willing to trade for Yamaha DX100 or other
low-price synth module (anything except a CZ-101; I already own a VZ-1).
Buyer pays shipping.  UPS COD preferred.  Includes original packaging,
manual, power supply, one MIDI cable, and groovy Alesis sticker.

E-mail if interested or for more information.
-- 
=========*davE*.....making the world safe for intelligent dance music.=========
    Your shame is neverending...just one psychological drama after another.
--------------------------{dave@bradley.bradley.edu}---------------------------
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: marbun@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (Marbun,Leo P)
Subject: OS/2 2.0, PC Tools 7.1, Borland C++ 2.0, SIMMS
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:36:00 GMT

I have the following for sale:
  1. OS/2 2.0 with Redbooks ..............$70
  2. PC Tools 7.1 ........................$40
  3. Borland C++ 2.0 .....................$40
  4. 4Mx9 SIMM chips for PC compatible    $105
     ( I have 2 strips for sale )
If you're interested seriously, we could negotiate cheaper price.

Thanks.

Leo.   
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jason T Milhoan)
Subject: Re: >>> HP-28S Scientific Calulator <<<
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:14:13 GMT

In article <cdzb02jX1fL201@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> dkw00@RUTS.ccc.amdahl.com () writes:
>HP 28S - Advance Scientific Calculator
>
>  - Brand New (received as gift but have no need for it)
>  - FREE : leather case ($50.00 value)

$50.00 for the case!!!  This is a joke, right?  I bought my case new for less than $20, and somewhere around $20 is MSRP,

>  - Current lowest retail price $179.99 (w/o leather case)
>  - All orginal packaging, manuals, etc.
>  - Save the sales tax
>  - Asking $150.00

I'll take $120 for mine.  It has a black leather case, adn Tetris and Lunar Landar are programmed in!  I have/had a few other games too, but haven't had the time to enter them.  Only used for 2 quarters, all orig. boxes and manuals.

JT



Newsgroups: misc.forsale,uwisc.forsale
From: ljung@cae.wisc.edu (David Ljung)
Subject: Yet another HP28S For sale, but $115
Organization: Spawning Cow! Productions
Date: 1 Sep 92 04:29:13 CDT


HP28S Calc for sale.

Tetris and Space Chase games among numerous other programs
typed in.

You know the rest...

Asking $115 and shipping or best offer.

Thanks,

Dave


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David Ljung                   314 N. Broom St. #3A                  oo )
Spawning Cow! Productions     Madison, WI. 53703               moo. |_/\
                              (608) 257-COWS                ljung@cae.wisc.edu
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Newsgroups: misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers
From: jingyao@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jinyao Liu)
Subject: IBM color monitor (CGA),  Macintosh Accounting package ACCPAC
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 01:46:25 GMT

 
   	IBM personal computer color display, Model 5153, excellent condition,
(no screen burns, no scratches).  Asking $90 OBO
 
    
	Mac software,  ACCPAC Bedford, Simply Accounting, ver.1.2F, by Computer
Associates, all original box, manual set, unopened warranty envelope, main 
features, 
 
	* General Ledger	* Accounts Payable
	* Accounts Receivable	* Payroll
	* Invoicing		* Inventory
	* Job Costing		* Financial Statements
 
    Easy Set-up, Streamlined transaction Entry, Fast, complete reporting,  
this is a nice package for those who don't want to hire a dumb behind the
technology type of accountant who charges your hard earned money for his
mistakes !   Info World Best In It's Class award.  Retail at MicroCenter
at $149.95 plus tax,  yours for $80 including tax and shipping.
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 1 Sep 1992 15:36:14 MST
From: Allen French <ICSAFF@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: misc.forsale
Subject: Alternative to buyers beware list
 <1992Sep1.172411.1166@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov>

I agree that starting a buyers beware list is probably a bad idea. It is
bad enough now when person A writes a public note criticizing person B
over some transaction. Usually it is difficult for others to know who
is to blame, even when the original email messages are saved and posted.
And person B is usually not around to defend themselves. I think a 'buyers
beware list' would only make this situation worse by formalizing the
accusations.

On the other hand, apparently there is a need for something, and that is
why people do post their accusations. I think 'trust' is a good place
to start. There should be a presumption that the participants are honest
and not trying to cheat each other. Even when there is a major problem,
it shoud still be viewed as a disagreement between A and B, rather than
one trying to cheat the other. Therefore, I think what is initially needed
is some sort of arbiter or ombudsman to attempt to resolve these
disagreements. Assuming the arbiters are trustworthy and competent, many
of the disagreements can be resolved, and then and only then, should a list
be posted of cases, participants, and facts surrounding those disagreements
that could not be resolved.

Two obvious objections to this approach are 1) how do you get arbiters? and
2) the process will be too slow, allowing cheats to continue their exploits,
before they are publicly recognized. I don't have easy answers to these
objections. Allen