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From: tensmekl@infonode.ingr.com (Kermit Tensmeyer)
Subject: Re: Good old Darek
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:02:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.224229.1799@zooid.guild.org> Mark Kovarski <kovarski@zooid.guild.org> writes:
>
>Mr. Mihocka, it is understandable that you are upset about the current Windows
>situation. I have asked you a long time ago about GEMulator and its ability
>running under the superb OS/2 2.0 environment. You have provided me with a
>4 page message crying why IBM sells OS/2 and their poor ability to test it.
>This statement is rather very funny and showed me the Fear, Uncertainty, and
>Doubt about Microsoft's ability to produce a good product. So here we go
>again, did you test GEMulator under OS/2 2.0. Since GEMulator is a DOS
>product, and OS/2 is better DOS than DOS, I would hope that you did verify
>GEMulators ability to work with IBM's OS/2.
>
>OS/2's success is tremendous and is growing remendously. Wouldn't it be
>obvious to make it work with GEMulator and test it under the OS/2 environment?
>

 Mihocka may be a jerk, but to ignore OS/2 does _not_ make him a ceritfiable
 idiot.  Remeber, Microsoft is "ignoring" OS/2, so do most "real" programmers.

 IBM is betting against the continued success of OS/2, they layed off the
 development teams on OS/2.

 It would appear that IBM has handled the OS/2 situation in much the same
 way that Traimiels inc have handled Tos/Gem, why would you think that
 any development that targets OS/2 will be commercially profitable?

 By the way have you seen the book _Now that I have OS/2 loaded on My Disk,
 What do I do Now?_.

 The real question would be should GEMulator be tested under NT? Do I really
 care about the answer? Would I want to support more Mihocka'isms.  NO.

-- 
         Kermit Tensmeyer                         | Intergraph Corporation
   klt@kt8127.b23a.ingr.com                       | Deep in Dixie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: wallmann@backus.pu.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Natuerlich!)
Subject: Re: Convince me to stick with Atari.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:15:29 GMT
Organization: MSD software vault #9 @THD

In article <H.ea.o3KuEmskWp2@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> cherborth@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca writes:
>I'd like to hear some arguments convincing me to stay with a sinking
>ship, Atari.
Why doncha buy a nice Mac and **** off ? If you need convincing the Atari
is wrong for you.

Nat!
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From: pf21@unix.brighton.ac.uk (Paul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Tracker Music within GFA/STOS, how?
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:56:49 GMT
Organization: University of Brighton, UK

mcsdc1ph@dct.ac.uk writes:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Does anyone know of a routine which will allow tracker music to be played
> from within GFA basic, and/or STOS?
>

It depends what tracker modules your'll talking about.
I bought TCB Tracker and that came with various routines including STOS
and I think, GFA.


-- 

        Paul Finch - Leader of the WIMPs forever organisation
        pf21@uk.ac.bton.unix      or      pf21@unix.bton.ac.uk
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: mike@medsun.unige.ch (michel morris)
Subject: Re: Spectre & TT
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 09:52:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.203916.22548@newshost.lanl.gov>, hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson) writes:

I am just setting up my new TT with Spectre; I have an Eizo 660 A3 monitor, with
Crazy Dots (fabulous monitor, BTW).

> In article 1icdfqINNt3j@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, jan@aifbbeta.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de (Juergen Angele) writes:
> >I am owner of an Atari Mega ST and Spectre Version 3.0. I intend to buy a TT with
> >a large black and white screen. I have the following questions:
> >
> >1. Does Spectre support the large screen in its full resolution?
> 
> Not currently.  Remember the Spectre GCR emulates a Mac Plus.  Rumor is that
> Dave Small will incorporate support for TT's with large screens in the next
> release, which is long overdue, BTW.  Even so, with the TT you'll have one
> speedy Mac Plus!

I second this - I thought I had read that it _did_ work on a large monitor, but I have not found
a way to do this. If anything comes up, I'll let you know!

> >2. Is the internal SCSI disk accesssible by the Mac?
> 
> Yes.  You just have to set up separate partitions for Atari and Mac use.

*******  I disagree !  **********
	 A very important point - for me, it is _not_ possible to use
_any_ internal drive with TT and Spectre; Dave Small also states this in the manual. If John
can tell me how to do this, I would be very happy, but I think not!
	I am running Spectre off an external drive, an Atari 60 Mb connected through the laser,
and configured as ACSI 0. Incidentally, at the moment (I have had the beast three days) I am
UNABLE to transvert to or from this disk, which irritates the hell out of me.

 
> >3. Does anybody have a similar configuration who can report me about his or
> > her experience and problems?
> 
> I'll leave this to others who may have a TT and GCR.  But one problem you
> may first encounter is the inability of the TT's internal drive to read/write
> in Mac 800K format (the GCR does not support 1.44Mb... yet).  The easiest fix
> is to pick up an external DSDD SF314 for your floppy drive B and use it with
> your Mac floppies.  That's what I did when the GCR wouldn't work with my
> MSTE's internal floppy.
> 
	That's good to know! I wondered what was happening with my floppies. Is there
really no way to use Mac floppies? Damn.

QUESTION:	How can I transvert Atari -> Mac? The floppy doesn't work, the internal SCSI
		doesn't work, Transverter refuses to recognize the (functional) MAC partitions
		on my external ACSI, ...   I think I feel an email to Dave Small coming on .. 

Mike M.
From: ridderbusch.pad@sni-usa.com (Frank Ridderbusch, STO SI211)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Has someone compiled this ?? - GNU Oleo spreadsheet ?
Date: 9 Jan 93 20:58:22
Organization: Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG, Paderborn, Germany
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In-reply-to: cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca's message of Fri, 8 Jan 93 15:30:14 GMT
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In article <1993Jan8.153014.15430@csi.uottawa.ca> cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne) writes:

>   It looks like it may be a fairly nasty compile, if it is possible.
>   Some fairly arcane knowledge of UNIX and C is certainly necessary,
>   since it's a little hard to run the CONFIGURE file under TOS or even
>   MiNT.

I believe, I read an article in this newsgroup or in c.s.a.s.t that
someone already ported oleo. But he did it by adding some code to the
MiNT kernel to add some missing signal or so, which was used by oleo.

>   I'm looking at it.  No long term promises.

>   It may be possible to get "sc" running (a non-GNU project spreadsheet).
>   I'll check.

With GNU-C and MiNT, this is just a simple compile job. At most a
handfull of lines must be changed. I found only one glitch. You have
to link with a CURSES/TERMCAP library, which explicitly compiled with
the MiNT header files, since SC relies on CURSES to put the terminal
into raw mode. With the standard TOS compiled CURSES lib SC wouldn't
return to raw mode after a suspend job (^Z).

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From: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: IT IS UNFORTUNATE ..
Date: 10 Jan 1993 18:54:18 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys)
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In a previous article, oyakea@warren1a.its.rpi.edu (Amalaye Oyake) says:

>
> It is sad Atari can not deliver the Falcon on time ...
>i have some things to say 
>1) I would have bought a Falcon ....
>2) I still might ....


As time goes on and Atari isn't delivering Falcons, they are losing more
and more customers simply because the computer's technology is becoming
obsolete.  If Atari really wanted an edge, they needed to deliver the F30
in October, 1992.  That time has past.



>3) It is unfortunate that they were failed by thier sub contractor ...


It is even more UNFORTUNATE that Atari once again decided to ignore common
business practices such as not putting all your eggs in one basket.

I ___HOPE___ that there wasn't only one factory.  I'm hoping that there
were at least three and only one factory is having problems.

>4) They should have a conference on genie .... to fill us in ...

Are you kidding?  We would only be angered to hear about the continued
problems that Atari has been having.

>5) This revelation of machine delays and factory mess ups 
>though not surprising is outrageous ....
>

Oh, if someone asked me to list the top 10 reasons why the Falcon030s
are last six months, that would be one of them.  No surprise.

>i am sad i  want my Falcon and Multitos ..

If there aren't 50,000 machines sold by next month, I doubt I'll buy one.

Len
>

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From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wells)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: A letter to Dave Baggett
Date: 10 Jan 1993 05:18:03 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
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> The ST has some good software, but the clones have TONNES of good
> software, and some GREAT software.  Where is CorelDRAW! or MicroGrafix
> Designer for the ST?  Well, I could use Avaunt-Vektor, which costs about

Prism Paint?!  The Cyber-Series!?  CAD-3D!?  Spectrum 512 (a little dated
but it produces nice pictures)..  True-Paint (Dunno if it's been released
yet or not).  

If people wanted to run MS-Doze software, they would have purchased
a 386, not an STE!  Think about it!!

Also - did you know that the ST/E's biggest use, is for music!?  
(You may have noticed those MIDI ports on the side 8-)  Built in as
standard too!!  As well as those Stereo output sockets on the back of
the STE<.  And Great software such as Notator, Cu-Base, etc. (Of which
there's been a lot of rights-swapping lately.)


Dogs Crawl under fences.... Software crawls under windows....


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 | O O    Computers:  Not just machines, they're a way of  |       |||       |
 |  o     life.  Your computer *IS* your religion!         |       ||| TARI  |
 | \_/    Steve Wells - Wellington, New Zealand.           |      / | \      |
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From: baffoni@phakt.usc.edu (Juxtaposer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Good old Darek
Date: 5 Jan 1993 23:22:39 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

In article <ABADDON.93Jan5121957@suprenum.uk.ac.liverpool.scm.suprenum> abaddon@uk.ac.liverpool.scm.suprenum (Kevin o donovan) writes:

>To be fair, Darek actually invites him to post this message in c.s.a.s in
>the last paragraph (or thereabouts) of his message.

	Not really.  If you go re-read the message (I did...but just skimmed
down to the end), Darek invited csullogg to support HIS (csullogg's) claims
on the net or in email.  Darek made no mention of posting his (Darek's) letter.

>Kev

-MikeB
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: rcb@gagme.chi.il.us (Roy Bixler)
Subject: Re: what is the freenet TELNET NUMBER ?
Organization: GAGME - Public Access UNIX of Chicago, Illinois, USA, Earth
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 12:09:40 GMT

Amalaye Oyake (oyakea@warren1b.its.rpi.edu) wrote:
:  Could some one please tell me the cleveland freenet telnet number, i lost my copy.

Look in the Internet Services List published in alt.bbs.internet.  You
can find the freenet number and much more there!

I just use 'freenet-in-a.cwru.edu' myself.

: e mail oyakea@rpi.edu
: 
:  thanx
:
From: andrew@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: NEW ATARI SUPPORT Part 2
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:56:30 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

John Hutchinson (hutch@bellman.lanl.gov) wrote:
: In article 524@solace.hsh.se, jonord@solace.hsh.se (Joakim Nordlander) writes:
: >In <1993Jan7.110251.15497@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> richard@op.ph.ic.ac.uk (Richard Syratt ) writes:
: >
: >
: >>Well, that started off on the wrong foot.  Maybe these guys should have
: >>looked at an atlas before they started.  I'm talking about the registration
: >>form, USA isn't the only country on this planet...
: >
: > Well, the americans belive so... They don't know nothing about the 
: >geography in Europe... :(
: >
: > /Jocke
: 
: Yeh, sure.  And all Americans (that's with a capital "A", please) wear sixguns
: and deal drugs on the street, too!  This is more "only in America" tripe.
: 
: I agree that *most* Americans are very inward looking and isolationist by nature
: but hey, no intelligent human being likes to be stereotyped, OK?  Next time,
: kindly use the politically correct "IMHO" for these grandiose observations.
: 
: And besides, most everyone knows the captial of Austria is Canberra.  :)
:                                                 ^^^^^^^
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: 
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Well, just to put things in perspective, I know nothing about the geography
of America.  All I know is that New York is on the East and Los Angeles is
on the West.  I suppose for most American TV that we get, that's all I need
to know.  Oh, yeah, Florida is quite hot in the summer!

But lets not start raving on about that.  I think the A.C.T. Now idea
is extreamly good.  As a humble user I am really looking forward to 
utilising the Falcon's Sound & existing MIDI capabilities.  Maybe I can
get my electric guitar to produce some excellent chorus and reverb. effects
by going though the DSP.  Is anyone releasing GCC libraries for the
Falcon's extra capabilities?  


---------------

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 Department of Computer Science.        University of York, YORK. Y01 5DD
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Last time on this one
From: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Steve Wells)
Date: 11 Jan 1993 21:03:02 GMT
Reply-To: wells_s@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
 <H.ea.7tZUy7WdW&k@semprini.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca> 
 <1iobpvINN79q@golem.wcc.govt.nz> <1iojg0INNjna@life.ai.mit.edu>,<1993Jan11.005905.1862@solace.hsh.se>
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
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Don't bother, the guy is obviously thick, saying there is no CLI for
the ST, (ever heard of UNIX!?  And the hundreds of other PD/shareware ones)

Hard drives are not 'cheap', $250 is a lot of money for poor folks like
myself!  (For a decent drive....)

So GEM is not a Real OS is it!?  Damn, what have I been using for the
last 5 years then!?


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 |  o     life.  Your computer *IS* your religion!         |       ||| TARI  |
 | \_/    Steve Wells - Wellington, New Zealand.           |      / | \      |
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: alrashi@ecf.toronto.edu (AL RASHID SHAHIR)
Subject: Re: ADVOCACY: Re: a blurb
Keywords: PC piracy
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:43:26 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.193457.27858@nosc.mil> healy@nosc.mil (Mike Healy) writes:
>
>I do think that piracy is more pervasive on pc's. Every person I know
>who has a pc has pirated commercial programs. I've seen pirated versions
>of commercial programs used by companies I've worked for. My brother
>used to work for a large aerospace firm and a friend of his there came
>very close to being fired because he refused to use pirate software
>at work, which pissed his supervisor off bad. I detect the attitude
>among pc owners that I know that they are "entitled" to pirate copies and
>you would be "stupid" to buy it. Do I hang out with an atypical, criminal
>set of people? I don't think so. I think they reflect the views of the
>average pc user.
>
>I think the commercial piracy situation has gotten better since software
>manufacturers have started raiding corporations.
>
>Now I don't know about shareware - I am talking about pirated commercial
>software, not shareware.
>
>Mike Healy
>
>healy@nosc.mil
>

How about this? I know a HELUVA lot of people who use the PC line and when
the come over to my house and see the pile of BOUGHT software I have for my
STE will express _disbelief_!!! (Something along the lines of "You actually
BUY software????" ) Hey, believe it or not, piracy is far more rampant
in the PC line than in any other line. So don't give me crap about PROVING
it and all, cuz _hey_ I own all three Amiga, ST, and PC, and I have actually
seen PIRATED software in original-looking boxes being taken off PC shelves!!
Tell me if this is widespread in any other market...("Hey, you need Windows?
Just take it of my computer, man..." <--- what more did you expect from a 
company which didn't know how to copyright???)

Just like you tell us not to hide shit about the ST, please don't hide shit
about the PC's.....Jeez.

AcEzE.
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From: jesa@s0jxb.exnet.co.uk (John Budden)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Organization: JCB Digital
Subject: Re: Editor???
Reply-To: s0jxb@exnet.co.uk
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:19:00 GMT

In <1993Jan7.142811.20499@fwi.uva.nl>, Richard G.C. Storm (I89 writes:
>I'm currently looking for a good editor for my atari.
>It has to save in ascii unlike 1st word does. If anybody
>knows which editor is good for that and where I can get it, I 
>will appreciate your help greatly.`
>
>
>Richard
>
>P.S. Or if anybody has a small programm to convert 1st word plus files
>to ascii files :-)
>
>-- 
>Richard Storm, storm@fwi.uva.nl || 
>University of Amsterdam.
>

If you turn off WP(word processing) mode - i.e. click on WP mode in the
menu so that the tick dissapears - then 1st Word Plus will save pure
ACSII files. However, Tempus,7UP and Everest are very good ASCII editors,
the last 2 are shareware and can be found on any good BBS.
-- 
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         "If you can't take a joke you shouldn't have joined!"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Demo-makers
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 15:13:46 GMT

In article 1i4a80EINNjph@uni-erlangen.de, mppi76@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (Harald Schoenfeld) writes:
>ggranger@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Greg Granger) writes:
>
>>Are there any Demo-maker programs for the ST?  I know that a few exist 
>>for the Amiga (just by reading thru COMP.SYS.AMIGA.DEMOS), but I don't 
>>own an Amiga.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>If you mean a program to demonstrate a own program automatically
>(automatic mouse-move and so on), then there is ATARI's DEMONSTRATOR.
>It's included into the developers tools. If you aren't one, write
>to ATARI.

DEMONSTRATOR was a nifty little piece of software... only trouble is it will
not work with TOS 1.4 and above which eliminates 80% of the market!

There is (or was) another commercially available demonstrator from Europe
but I don't know who makes (made?) it.  I know it was expensive, though.

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From: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov (John Hutchinson)
Subject: Re: Flaky mouse
Reply-To: hutch@bellman.lanl.gov
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:27:45 GMT

In article 1i9t69INN210@katmandu.solbourne.com, stevem@solbourne.com (Stephen Matson) writes:
>
> Recently my mouse has started to act less then obedient. It will work fine
>for hours (or sometimes just minutes) and then , badabing badaboom, every
>direction is reversed, up is down, down is up, left is.... well you get the 
>idea. The only way to fix this is to save what I'm doing and cold start it.
>
> Could this just be my mouse or is it something inside my box? 
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>Thanks.
> Steve Matson.

Well, that's pretty weird, alright, but the first step in fixing any mouse
problems is to take it apart and clean the sucker.  Make sure you get all
the goop off the rollers when you do.  It couldn't hoit.  :)

Barring this, there was a little semi-comedic virus running around a few years
back that caused erratic mouse action such as you describe.

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________________ "No worries, mate... it's from Fair Dinkum!" _______________
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From: jan@aifbbeta.aifb.uni-karlsruhe.de (Juergen Angele)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Spectre & TT
Date: 5 Jan 1993 16:37:14 GMT
Organization: AIFB, University of Karlsruhe (Baden / Germany)
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de

I am owner of an Atari Mega ST and Spectre Version 3.0. I intend to buy a TT with
a large black and white screen. I have the following questions:

1. Does Spectre support the large screen in its full resolution?
2. Is the internal SCSI disk accesssible by the Mac?
3. Does anybody have a similar configuration who can report me about his or her
   experience and problems?

Thank you

Juergen

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