HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Reply-To: dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Lab - Pasadena, CA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:22:54 GMT

chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>I write:
>>chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>>Those who don't [keep well informed, including reading the guidelines],
>>>obviously care little enough that it's reasonable to ignore their mewlings
>>>about having missed the discussion.  Seriously.
>>Ok, Mr. Logic. PROVE that assertion. I challenge you.
>Okay.  Those who care, will find out what they want to know.  Those
>who don't care, won't.  Therefore, those who care _will_ know how to
>involve themselved in the process.

What wonderful reasoning. "Care" is defined as "intent to know". How should
a person even know that they need to care? Some people think newsgroups
are set in stone...and they'd never change. Does that make them subject
to your will because you know and they don't? 

>Oh, come now.  You mean that if you were a new user, the newsgroup
>names "news.announce.newusers" and "news.newusers.questions" wouldn't
>jump out at you?

Not necessarily. I might give up after wading through "comp". 

>>And anyone who asserts that "the ignorant deserve what they get" is 
>>ignorant AND inconsiderate of the unwillingly ignorant.
>Yet I stand by that position, despite your opinion that it shows me
>to be ignorant and inconsiderate.

Then you deserve what you get. 

>So do you intend to leave Usenet, or to take over?  There's not much 
>else you can do.

Good bait. But I refuse to make any sort of threat. There's lots that
can and will be done besides those two things. 
-- 
Dave Hayes - Network & Communications Engineering - JPL / NASA - Pasadena CA
dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov       dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov         ...usc!elroy!dxh

Community (n.) - 1. Irrationals unified by hope of the impossible.
From: g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com (Greg House)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Creating Song Lyrics
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:56:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: nntpd2.1992Nov5.205644.8135
Reply-To: g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com (Greg House)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs CO


In article <1992Nov5.192802.4533@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com>, fredh@cv.hp.com 
(Fred Handloser) writes:

|>----
|>Do you do all this with a portable tape deck or do you just remember
|>all that you think of and later when you are not driving write it 
|>down?

I'm not very good at remembering things like that in detail, so I keep
a cheap portable cassette recorder with me and sing the ideas into it.
I always have paper and pen too, and if the words start getting volumous
I'll stop somewhere and write 'em down.

Greg
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10851 rec.music.synth:18182 news.groups:20992
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 10 Nov 1992 14:22:49 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <martel.721308657@marvin> martel@marvin.mr.sintef.no (Paulo Martel) writes:
>dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:
>
>>My current charge is that the Subject line of the RFD's and CFV's (see
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>That's the problem with you, Dave... What will be your next charge when the
>current one doesn't suit your point any more ?...

   The man's on a fishing expedition.  If it wasn't clear before, it
is now.

>...Now, I know very little about the
>technicalities behind running a mail list, but I cannot believe  it can
>be that complicated to add ".makers" to a string !!! If Joe says he's tired and
>doesn't want to bother the people who are allowing him to run SYNTH-L for
>free, then again he will be the sole responsible for the break. If he says he
>doesn't care, then I hope that SYNTH-L readers don't care either.

   Well, I *do* know a bit about mailing lists and newsgroup echoing
(I administer a mailing list which concerns >*gasp!*< music synthesis,
MIDI, etc.), and can state that a simple newsgroup name change is a
trivial matter.  It's just not a big deal.
--
Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst
From: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: TASCAM MS-16 FOR SALE
Keywords: tascam ms-16, multitrack, recorder
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:07:15 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <5776@maserati.qsp.UUCP> danb@zx.qsp.UUCP (Daniel Benbenisty) writes:
*Weeeelllll, I don't know about the MS-16 (I think it's sort of a budget 16-track), 
*but I just bought a TASCAM TSR-8 1/2" 8-track analog for $2490.  It has a S/N 
*of 108dB (111dB with these new tape reels).  
*

I'd like to see you achieve this S/N ratio with your own equipment.  Of 
course, its probably also tricky to get 92db out of an ADAT in a home
studio situation.

*ADAT, with 16-bit linear digital recording, achieves around 92dB S/N.
*It lists at $4000 (Two ADATs with a controller (16 tracks) will run you
*about $10,000).
*

More like $6K.  You don't need the big remote to make 2 ADAT's act like one.
You only need it for more sophisticated sync and editing applications.  It
would be overkill for a home studio.

*Each format has about the same frenquency response.  I think ADAT might go
*lower (?), but also lower than most mixers (or ears, unless you're a shark),
*can deal with.
*
*To bad I have to mix down to a measly DAT :) Discussion, comments, anyone?
*Do you think you might be a little too in love with "digital?"

Perhaps.  I like digital for a variety of reasons, not least of which is
low noise.  I don't doubt that analog tape is capable of impressive per-
formance, perhaps even surpassing digital in some applications.  However,
generational loss is more of a problem, and you need noise reduction to 
get those great S/N figures, which in turn colors the sound, however subtly.
Notice how everyone has different opinions on Dolby S vs dbx vs ...

Right now recording technology is in a transition.  In 10 years analog 
decks will enjoy the same marketplace that tube equipment does now.
So save your MS-16's.  There will undoubtably be someone in a few years
who pay a ridiculous sum of money for "that great analog sound" ;-)

-- archer
From: klg40528@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kevin L. Goodwin)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Someone please help me find the right distortion
Date: 9 Nov 92 05:24:19 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


 I was wondering if I could get some opinions on the countless distortion
 pedals on the market these days.  I'm looking for a really good sounding
 pedal that is good for a wide range of styles (everything up to thrash 
 metal).  please e-mail me any info and/or suggestions..

 thanks in advance, and i apologize for anything stupid or offensive i've
 said.(somebody always finds something wrong with everything i say....)

 k.goodwin
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: wb@tornado.kodak.com (wb@tornado.kodak.com)
Subject: FOR SALE: KORG DVP-1 Digital Voice Processor
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. (Telstar), Rochester, N.Y. 14653
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:46:24 GMT


The Korg DVP-1 Digital Voice Processor

Main Features:

*) Custom Digital Voice Processor. Does Vocoder
   Polyphonic (upto 5 notes) harmonize and Pitch shifting.

*) Ability to specify upto 5 notes, 4 with Chorus via MIDI (keyboard
   guitar, etc.) the Chord or series of notes thru which the input
   of the device is shifted and/or harmonized.

*) XLR and 1/4" inputs available. Front panel has XLR input for microphone.
   Direct(unaffected by output volume control) and Variable outputs are
   available.

*) MIDI In/Out/Thru. Unit responds to program change messages.

*) Two rack spaces. Approx. 14 pounds.

*) Signal to Noise Ratio is 70db.

*) A/D - 12 bit
   D/A - 16 bit
----------------------------------------------------------
Wendell Bigelow                  Internet:
Office Imaging                   wb%tornado@tornado.kodak.com
Printing Systems Electronics
Eastman Kodak                
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Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 20:26:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.183102.22331@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
>You can't prove that this consensus of a small number of people represents 
>the will of the entire readership of the net. Proof by correct politics 
>is not a proof at all. 

Well, let's suppose for a moment the subject line had been something
that attracted the attention of all rec.music.synth readers who saw
it, and they all voted.

How do you want to make the decision?
1) "the will of the entire readership of the net."  How will you find
that out?  You will not get everyone on the net to vote no matter
what you do.  Even if all rec.music.synth readers voted, which would
probably never happen, that would not be the will of the entire
readership.

2) Something other than the will of the entire readership.  How do you
want to do it then?  The current system?  You seem to have problems
with it.  Something else?

I'm not trying to flame you or anything in this article.  You clearly
have problems with the current process and I am just curious how you
think votes should be done.

	Cathy
-- 
Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10789 alt.guitar:9645
From: floyd@starsend.chbrk.pa.us (Floyd Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar
Subject: Roland GR1 / GR50 Query
Date: 07 Nov 92 04:23:14 GMT
Reply-To: floyd@starsend.chbrk.pa.us (Floyd Miller)
Organization: Woodward McCoach, Inc.

  I'm considering buying a Roland guitar synth using the GK2 pickup.
  So far I'm leaning towards the rack-mount GR50, although the GR1
  is impressive.  The GR1 has more sounds (200 as opposed to 128)
  and has a 4-track recorder built in.

  I spent a little time trying out the GR1's basic features but had
  to play on the demo guitar at the store (it was the wrong handedness).
  I thought the tracking was amazing - bending, vibrato, hammer-on's,
  pull-off's and glissando came through very well.

  Specific questions are:

  1.  I didn;t have a chance to try out the GR1's recording feature.
      How much time can be recored on GR1's recorder?
      Does it record the analog information or the coverted MIDI?

  2.  (actually more important) the GR50 literature says the MIDI
      output can be both POLY (channel a) and MONO (channels b - g)
      modes.  In MONO mode, each string sends individual MIDI messages.
      Can the GR1 generate both MONO and POLY modes?  The GR1 literature
      is vague and a salesman I spoke with thought the GR1 could only
      do POLY.


****************************************       ****
 ** Floyd Miller ***************************     ***
  *********************************************    **
   *** floyd@starsend.chbrk.pa.us ****************  **
    ************************************************  *
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
From: kew@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (steve.w.askew)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Followup-To: alt.guitar
Summary: ENOUGH OF THIS!
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 15:22:00 GMT


	All Right enough of this SHIT! Please take your dissagreement to
	a private forum, like out in a alley!

	Everybodys screaming about whats right and whats wrong. Well get 
	a CLUE! R.M.M was not created for this kind venomous attacks. 
	!!! THIS FORUM IS FOR PEOPLE WHO MAKE MUSIC !!!! NOT! WAR!!!

	Honestly, give it a rest


	Steve
	Doin That Blues ThAng!
	



	
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: vallury@mesun2.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Vallury Prabhakar)
Subject: Looking for 'chord' program
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:43:41 GMT


A long time ago, I pulled a program named 'chord' off USENET.
Pretty simple program, but very useful to novice guitarists.
It allowed you to write the lyrics out and place chord notations
in between words, so you could find out when to change chords.

I'd like to get some information on where I could find this
program.  I believe it was created by one Martin Leclerc who
was in Canada, but that's all the information I have.  Please
use e-mail since I don't visit here very often.

Thanks in advance!

-- Vallury Prabhakar
-- rustcat@sunrise.stanford.edu

Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10950 rec.music.synth:18409 news.groups:21617
From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups
Subject: Re: r.m.makers reorg -- access problems
Date: 13 Nov 1992 22:38:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


igb@fulcrum.co.uk (Ian G Batten) says:

>fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes:
>> The name change has robbed at least one person
>>  of access.  jrossi, who I wrote about in a

>By this logic, we can never rename anything.  Ever.  Bring back
>mod.sources, I say.

I didn't say that.  I like the rename.
 But I think someone should help this
 guy get a new connection.
-- 
Francis A. Uy			Program Director, WUMD
From: kjs@gvgdsd.GVG.TEK.COM (Kevin J. Shuholm)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: Backgrounds for Practicing
Date: 6 Nov 92 18:20:21 GMT
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gvgdsd.gvg.tek.com

Another thing that I used to do was to make my own tapes but use an
endless loop tape.  They come in different lengths, but a 6 minute loop
worked pretty well.  Record you pattern for 6 minutes and then you can
play along for hours.  Works well for working up a solo.

Kevin
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10735 rec.music.synth:17792 news.groups:20361 news.admin:8305
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 6 Nov 1992 01:24:09 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.makers
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <Bx9ny0.K7B@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> msjle@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Joi L. Ellis) writes:
>You know, as a plain old reader who didn't vote because THIS ISN'T THAT
>IMPORTANT, why don't you two stop flaming each other over the net and
>just redo this vote thing?  Better yet, have some disinterested third
>party (NOT ME) do it for you?  

Because we already have a valid vote. Dave is trying to force a revote with no
grounds to do so; if we revote without better reasons than have been presented
so far, he's won, and the newsgroup creation process has been greatly damaged.

>I can't be the only one getting tired of this discussion--let's talk
>MUSIC, ok?

I'm reading this in news.admin and news.groups; if you want it out of
rec.music.synth, tell Dave to move it, as he's the one that keeps putting it
back there.
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
     We survived Jimmy Carter; we'll (probably) survive Bill Clinton.
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored 
Organization: Not Philips.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 23:47:43 GMT

The proposition was made, the discussion took place, the vote was held and
a result obtained.

All of this discussion is irrelevant.

What we have is someone who, to suit his own ends, is choosing to ignore an
otherwise perfectly valid vote process, trying to change the rules after
the fact, acting like a five year old.

Quite pathetic really.

But does it matter?  Let him have his tantrum and do what he likes on his
own system.  It's of no consequence to the rest of the net.
-- 
Ray Dunn at home        |  Beaconsfield, Quebec  |  Phone: (514) 630 3749
ray@philmtl.philips.ca  |  dunn@cam.org          |  uunet!sobeco!philmtl!ray
Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10832 alt.guitar:9707 sci.electronics:18629
From: dcovell@hfglobe.intel.com (David Covell)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.guitar,sci.electronics
Subject: HV capacitors
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:12:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: hfglobe.BxGz0u.K1F
Organization: Intel Corporation


I'm looking for a mail-order source for high-voltage capacitors for tube
amplifiers. I need 70uF in 350-400V range and 20-200uF in 500-525VDC range.
Thanks for any pointers; phone numbers will be especially appreciated.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DAVID COVELL (dcovell@pcocd2.intel.com)|Abuser of acoustic, electric, and
INTEL FOLSOM (California)              |Midi guitars, basses, synths, CAD tools
DESIGN ENGINEERING, EPG GROUP          |and assorted other techno-beasties
From: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com (Archer Sully)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re: President Bill
Keywords: Sax, drugs, rock-n-roll
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:20:53 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <1dmihoINN32i@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com> gompertz@sdd.hp.com (Ron Gompertz) writes:
*
*Has anyone heard the Gov blow? Could he quit his day job? Would
*you invite him to solo on your demo? If so, what style?
*
*Just wondering.
*

I heard a few notes on an election summary.  I think my cat plays better
sax.

-- archer
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
From: ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored 
Organization: Not Philips.
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:15:12 GMT

In refd article, dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov writes:
>ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) writes:
>>What we have is someone who, to suit his own ends, is choosing to ignore an
>>otherwise perfectly valid vote process, trying to change the rules after
>>the fact, acting like a five year old.
>Thanks for the complement. I'd much rather be a young flexible caring person 
>then a stuffy old inflexible and embittered codger anyday of the week. 

I'm glad I gave you the opportunity to get that off your chest, but now
that you've admitted that to suit your own ends, you're choosing to ignore
an otherwise perfectly valid vote process, are trying to change the rules
after the fact, and are acting like a five year old, perhaps you'll drop it
now, eh?
-- 
Ray Dunn at home        |  Beaconsfield, Quebec  |  Phone: (514) 630 3749
ray@philmtl.philips.ca  |  dunn@cam.org          |  uunet!sobeco!philmtl!ray
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
From: fredh@cv.hp.com (Fred Handloser)
Subject: Re: Creating Song Lyrics
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:28:02 GMT

Greg House (g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com) wrote:
: For me, having a fresh mind and nothing to think about helps.  
: I have a 35-40 
: minute commute each way to work and my drive down in the morning is often
: productive for me in terms of songwriting, particularly when I've slept late.

: Greg

----
Do you do all this with a portable tape deck or do you just remember
all that you think of and later when you are not driving write it 
down?

  --------------------------------------------------------------------
  Fred Handloser
  Corvallis, Oregon

Xref: sparky rec.music.makers:10792 rec.music.synth:17961 news.groups:20639 news.admin:8367
From: jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II)
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored
Date: 8 Nov 92 17:25:27 GMT
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Organization: Los Tejanos SCUBA Club and Beer Joint, Austin, Tejas

In article <2AFC5758.51EF@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>I am showing a lack of respect for hypocrisy.  Hypothetical
>net.person: "No, I won't spend my valuable time reading
>news.announce.newgroups -- but if you rename my newsgroup I'll ...
>I'll ... I'll hold my breath until I turn blue!"  Yeah, right.

You should not have to read news.announce.newgroups to know what is
happening to any other newsgroup.  I have repeatedly stated that a
group which is being "changed" in some manner is the most appropriate
place for that discussion.  If people don't find some redeaming value
in having the discussion in the first place, that dislike probably
translates into a marked dislike for what is being done to the group.

Think about it.

"Hey, I think we should split this group into ten different groups."
"I'm not interested, take the discussion someplace else."

2 months pass.

"Hey!  Who split my group!"
"We did.  You weren't interested in the discussion, so we did it without
    you."
"Wasn't that a clue that I wasn't interested in having my group split?"
-- 
John F. Haugh II                  [  TSAKC  ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151           [ DoF #17 ]        @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,alt.emusic,rec.music.synth,rec.music.marketplace
From: g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com (Greg House)
Subject: Re: TASCAM MS-16 FOR SALE
Keywords: tascam ms-16, multitrack, recorder
Reply-To: g_house@goes11.enet.dec.com (Greg House)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Colorado Springs CO
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:20:34 GMT


In article <dave.24@scrc.umanitoba.ca>, dave@scrc.umanitoba.ca (Dave McCrea) 
writes:

|>>For Sale:
|>>TASCAM MS-16 1 inch 16 track machine $5800.
|>>includes:
|>>       - TASCAM DBX
|>>       - Autolocator with roll around cart
|>>       - original packaging material
|>>       - custom desk to house MS-16, a board, and effects racks
|>
|>> stuff deleted
|>
|>Isn't this getting close to the price of 2 new Alesis ADATS with better S/N 
|>and cheaper tape costs? How long will it be before good taperecorders such 
|>as the MS-16 are sold for their scrap metal value?
|>
|>Just curious.
|>

I wouldn't exactly say it's that close.  An ADAT is still going for $4k (ok,
$3999) and the BRC controller (which would give you the functionality of the
Autolocator in this ad) goes for $2k, so that's $10k for equivalent ADAT 
functionality and it doesn't include the rollaround cart or the custom
desk.

Besides, you're comparing apples to oranges, some people prefer the sound 
of analog recorders.

Greg
From: chc30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers
Subject: Re:Non US alternative radio stations
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:25:22 GMT
Reply-To: chc30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

John Peel who works for the BBC and does some work on the BBC World Servic
Service is your best bet. He plays US 7" singles whenever he can get them.
I'm not 100% sure of the address but if you send it to :
                  John Peel
                  Radio 1FM
                  British Broadcasting Corporation
                  Shepherd's Bush
                  London
                  England

It should reach him ok.
 You could also send demos to Dave Fanning who is Ireland's alternative DJ
he is at :
                 2FM
                 RTE
                 Donnybrook
                 Dublin
                 Ireland

 Hope this helps.
--
chc30@amail.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers,rec.music.synth,news.groups,news.admin
From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: *BAD* music group reorg will not be honored 
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 23:21:27 GMT

In <1992Nov5.204010.29872@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> dave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Dave Hayes) writes:
>pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
>>I guess people haven't heard of the idea of aliasing newsgroups.
>Some leaf nodes on USENET cannot do this. Certain connected mailing
>lists either can't or won't. 

It was mentioned that those who can't can be helped to overcome the
problem.

Those who won't are cutting off their own feet.
-- 
Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
    AHA!  I'll bounce off that broad, flat surface and be in a lot of pain!
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