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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject:  Which is it?  Sacramento or Santa Clara?
Summary: moving to california
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 17:10:28 GMT



  Well, my husband has made his trip out to the Bay Area.
  And it rained the entire time he was there!  But apparently
  they needed it since there was a drought.

  We're down to choosing between Sacramento and Santa Clara.
  The pluses for Sacramento are:
  - lower housing prices
  - less congestion
  The pluses for Santa Clara are:
  - better chance for me (a techie type) to find a job
  - more things to do, better landscape, climate

  People have told me that Sacramento is a cow-town.  What
  exactly is a cow-town?  My husband says there is a WalMart,
  a Price club, and a couple of malls, so it can't be that
  boonie!  

  Also, which place has the better public schools?  The
  recruiter said that Los Gatos has really good public schools.

  Since we're a multi-cultural couple, we're also interested
  in the ethnic mix in both areas.  My son is Asian-Hispanic
  and I've heard that Sacramento has a 8:1 ratio of Asian women
  married to white men and that Santa Clara has a 4:1 ratio
  of Asian women married to white men (versus married to Asian
  men).  So this means that the girls won't like my son!  :-(
  Of course my son is 22-months old, but it's never too early to
  start worrying!  :-)  The ratios are also bad for white women
  married to Asian men (do they exist?)  I also want my son to
  be bilingual Spanish-English, since he already has a good
  Spanish background from his grandparents.  Do they have Spanish-
  speaking daycares out there?

  What's UC Davis like?  I love college campuses in general, like
  Cornell...  Would it be too hard to find a teaching job, even
  part-time in Mathematics?  I have a PhD in Applied Math.

  What other companies are in the area?  I heard there was an Intel
  and an HP, but that the Intel only makes chips.  I'm more of
  a software developer, applied mathematician type.  Of course
  now that I'm at NYNEX, I'm also a networking type.

  Anything else, about recreation, climate, housing, traffic congestion,
  Things to do with the kiddies...  Multi-cultural activities, and
  ethnic food (I love Mexican food, the spicier the better).

  Thanks a lot for your responses.  Have a Happy Holiday!

  Clare
  clare@nynexst.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jimh@pacdata.com (Jim Harkins)
Subject: Christmas toys
Organization: Pacific Data Products
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 00:05:22 GMT

I've got a 9 year old niece, and as it's been mumble years since I was that age
I thought I'd ask some of you.  I've been avoiding the barbie doll-homemaker
crap so far, now I'd like to get her a science kit of some sort.  Is 9 too
young for a chemistry set, or microscope?  The packages say 9 and up, but I
don't know how accurate those are.  What do you all think?

Maybe I should just trust myself.  Last year I got her a kids encyclopedia,
she said 'Yuck uncle Jim'.  My sister was telling me last month the thing has
been with her since I got it, she loves it.  Bet that damn barbie is under
the bed somewhere :-)

To keep up my 'uncle from hell' rep I also got her a tiny microphone that
xmits on a radio band.  I'll be sure to suggest places she can put it.....

jim

-- 
Plumbers Motto:  A flush beats a full house.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Harkins                         [ucsd|uunet]!pacdata!jim
Pacific Data Products               jim@pacdata.com
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Christmas Gift Suggestions For All Age's
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 04:48:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.223626.14217@umiami.ir.miami.edu> ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu writes:
>
>PS.  A tangential comment/question:  my niece's birthday party was at a local
>children's museum and was fairly large (20 kids).  Her mom did not open any
>presents at the party.  Instead, after the birthday cake she gave all the guests
>goody bags, sent them home and carted all the gifts home to open later by
>themselves.  The explanation was that, at this age, kids get too worked up
>seeing one child getting such a gift bonanza.  Hmmm, I have to say here that
>although I can see some logic to this, it was disappointing to me (don't think
>the kids noticed).  Question:  is this in fact the newest trend (as my SIL
>assured me)?  Oh, one reason I was let down was that I had looked forward to
>seeing if my niece liked the kitchen kit :(.  Oh well, I put one together for
>my son for Christmas, so by golly I'll get to see SOMEBODY open one :).

It is getting more and more common. Part of the reason is as you mentioned.
A second reason is that often parties are held  outside the home, in placess
that are hired for a couple of hours. I am sure that many of the kids would
much prefer running around the children's museum, then open presents. 

A friend of mine with a 6 year old, who attends a rather exclusive private
school, plans parties that dont include opening gifts. She said that there
is a very wide disparity in the families incomes, and doesnt want to make
anyone feel uncomfortable. 

I also feel disappointed when I dont get to see a child open a gift that
I buy. In the case of my friend's daughter, she came over a few days before
her party, and it wasnt hard to talk me into giving her the gift early.

Laura Floom

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: klj@cbnews.cb.att.com (karen.l.carr)
Subject: Re: Nursing chair recommendation
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:10:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.200646.1475@dsd.es.com>, ksouth@iguana.dsd.es.com (Kerri South) writes:
> I'm wondering what kind of chair to get for the nursery. I would really like
> it to rock easily, but I don't think all-wooden rockers are comfortable. Has
> anyone bought one of those padded rockers that sort of swings back and forth
> as opposed to truly rocking. Are they junk? Do they hold up? Does your baby
> like the movement? I'm sure a La-Z-Boy would be comfortable, but I really
> want to generate a lot of movement if that is what baby prefers. Does anyone
> have an all-wooden rocker that really is comfortable for nursing? If this
> discussion has been exhausted at some point in the past, maybe someone can
> pass on info. they collected at the time.

The rockers that swing back and forth are called gliders.  We have one and
it is pretty comfortable.  I think it is easier to "rock" in than a real
rocking chair now.  I can get some pretty good movement from it, too.

I use it now mostly at night to either nurse or give Alison a bottle.  Its
easy to move back and forth gently at that time.  I also use it to get her
sleepy when she is over-tired and over-stimulated.  Then a more rigorous
movement is needed.

I also came to like nursing in it better than in bed in the first few
months.  Mainly because it was easier to switch sides sitting up in the
chair than in bed (I had a cesearian).

	Karen

PS.  Our is holding up pretty well so far, but I've only had it about 9
months (we got it a couple of months before the baby was born).  It has
even been chewed on by the dog -- a little sanding (alot of scolding of the
dog) and it looks fine.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kmurphy@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu (Kim Murphy)
Subject: HELP!  Teacher problems
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory
Distribution: misc
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:02:34 GMT

About two months ago, we made an unplanned move to a neighboring
county.  Unfortunately, the school at our new home is not quite as
good as the old one.  While the Kindergarten program is not a bad one,
the teacher our son (B.J.) received is definitely not very good.  Our
intention is to put him in a private school next year (they were
filled by the time we learned we were moving), but in the meantime
we're not quite sure what to do.  

We'll try to be as brief as possible.  B.J. is 5 years old, and has
had 1.5 years of preschool.  He started off in a wonderful
Kindergarten.  After the move, he adjusted to the new school with no
problem, and fortunately he still likes school.  But he no longer
comes home and tells us all of the exciting things that have happened
during the day.  Naturally we became concerned and visited (several
times).

What we found was very disturbing.  The classroom situation is very
disruptive.  We don't mean the "kids will be kids" type, but a total
lack of control by the teacher and a non-learning environment.  TV is
frequently used as a babysitter.  We have checked the other
Kindergarten classes and found no evidence of this.  We have also seen
the children under control on one occasion -- when a sub was present.

We did speak to the teacher with no result.  Recently we also spoke to
the principal.  He consulted with the teacher and we finally started
to see work come home everyday to get an idea of what they were
supposed to be doing.  He also suggested we speak to the teacher
again.  We did and spent an hour in non-communication.  She always has
an excuse why her personal life is keeping her from doing things and
why she wants to give up teaching (anything but answering our
concerns).  

Personally we think this class is too much for her, and she's at her
wits end, but this doesn't help us with B.J.'s education.  So far,
we've tried to be diplomatic when we've talked to the principal, so
his advice was to "hang in there".  Now, we are checking out other
public schools in other districts to see if we can afford the tuition.

Our question is: how shold we phrase our frustration to the principal?
We would be content with keeping B.J. in the present school if he was
placed in one of the other teachers' classes.  On the other hand, we
hate to keep moving him around.  Any and all help is appreciated, but
we have to do something about this soon.

				- Kim & Pat Murphy
				  kmurphy@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu
				  pmurphy@nrao.edu

P.S.  Moving from this county in the near future is not a viable option.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: AMY.UHRBACH@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Amy Uhrbach")
Subject: re: cute 2yr joke
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:42:23 GMT

 My son (almost 3) is very into rhyming, and funny words that sound alike.
 So here's his joke:

"What does Pooh make in his diaper?
 Pooh poop! (wild giggling)"
From: SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Sesame Street is HARMFUL to children (Was something else)
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:21:00 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.

>From: dlhanson@nap.amoco.com (David L. Hanson )
>Message-ID: <dlhanson.16.724534415@nap.amoco.com>
>
>In article <KMURPHY.92Dec16095759@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu> kmurphy@orangutan.cv.nrao.edu (Kim Murphy) writes:
>>While I'm sure most of us agree that
>>Sesame Street is great, we know it was never meant to be a teaching
>>tool inside the classroom.  We did tell the principal if we found this
>>to be excessive, we had no choice but to take it to the school board.
>
>Sesame Street is NOT great.  Jane Healy has a whole chapter in
>"Endangered Minds - Why Children Can't Think and What To Do About It"
>on the damage that Sesame Street does to young childrens' minds.
>In a nutshell, the fast moving "non-reality" images are not good for
>children. If anything thinks they are helping their children by sitting them
>in front of the TV, think again. (Healy's book is highly recommended
>for all parents; it is especially important for those who ship their
>children off to a daycare center or use the TV to keep them occupied.)
>
 
While we're bashing Sesame Street, I thought I'd add this bit: My
MIL is an elementary school principal (LOTS of experience teaching
1st through 6th grade too), and she says SS is bad because it shows
lots of examples of children being sassy, sarcastic, and talking-back.
I am as yet undecided -- I like SS, but that's her opinion and I do
respect her opinion.  What do the rest of you think?
 
TAMARA
mommy to Melissa (5/1/91) and ? (5/8/93) - it's moving!!! (finally)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ksouth@iguana.dsd.es.com (Kerri South)
Subject: Re: Nursing chair recommendation
Reply-To: ksouth@dsd.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 20:06:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.150807.22152@sol.asl.hitachi.com>, jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com (Jill Boyce) writes:
> I have a La-Z-Boy rocker/recliner that I use as a nursing chair.  I like it much
> better than a normal rocking chair for the following reasons:  very comfortable,
> low arms which don't get in the way of holding baby, but still give a little height 
> to rest elbows on, built in foot-elevation, we will continue to make use of the chair  after the baby is weaned.  The disadvantages:  harder to rock than a normal rocking
> chair, takes up more space, more expensive.
> 
> I have been using it for 7 1/2 months and strongly recommend it to others.
> 
> Jill Boyce
> jill@sol.asl.hitachi.com
>  
> 

I'm wondering what kind of chair to get for the nursery. I would really like
it to rock easily, but I don't think all-wooden rockers are comfortable. Has
anyone bought one of those padded rockers that sort of swings back and forth
as opposed to truly rocking. Are they junk? Do they hold up? Does your baby
like the movement? I'm sure a La-Z-Boy would be comfortable, but I really
want to generate a lot of movement if that is what baby prefers. Does anyone
have an all-wooden rocker that really is comfortable for nursing? If this
discussion has been exhausted at some point in the past, maybe someone can
pass on info. they collected at the time.

Thanks!

-- 
Kerri South, Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Design Systems Division, P.O. Box 8070, 
Salt Lake City, Utah 84108        (801) 582-5847 
INET: ksouth@dsd.es.com
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Subject: RE: Biting in daycare
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:12:03 GMT

My child was bitten a couple of months ago, and it was discussed on the
net.  It was a "serious" bite, meaning that a small piece of flesh
was taken out of his arm.  I would assume that a "non-serious" bite
doesn't break the skin.  My son's preschool teachers tell the biter
that "it is NOT okay to bite someone", and they make certain that
the child understands this.  I don't know if the child who bit my son
has been cured of his biting or not, but I do know that he bit another
child about two weeks after biting my son.  The teacher admitted that
the wounds were worse in the second biting incident.  Most of the advice
that I received from misc.kid was of the nature of "let bygones be 
bygones".    
  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: "my wife and I are pregnant", revisited
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 19:10:30 GMT

rollo@xylogics.com (Dena Rollo) writes:


>On the other hand, (and here I go again), there is just
>no way for the future father to be pregnant - he can
>(and should) be a part of the pregnancy experience -
>supporting the woman, being actively involved in prenatal
>appts. and care, etc., taking on more household work if
>necessary. He may experience his own emotional (or even
>physical) changes. But not because he is pregnant - but
>because his partner is, and because he, too, will soon be
>a parent. And for me (and I really don't see why this is
>so difficult to understand) declaring yourselves to both
>be pregnant takes something away from the reality of what
>pregnancy is, and how it's experienced by each partner.

>So, if it means something positive to you personally to
>say "we're pregnant" then go ahead.

>But I think it's euphemizing the differences between men
>and women.

>I'm not posting this to drone on endlessly about the smaller
>point (that particular phrase) but more to open up a dialog
>about what is so threatening about acknowledging differences.
>And no, I'm not saying that all those who prefer to consider
>both partners pregnant are afraid of differences, but it is
>a good example in a general way.

Dena, 

I think you're missing the point of many of the responses,
including mine.

You can say all you want that you don't like a father to use
the term "we're pregnant", but many of the responses were that
the father DIDN'T initiate the term, but the mother was the one
who like the term.  Some women really think of the pregnancy to
be a shared one, even though they realize (hey, they aren't
dumb) that they are actually carrying the child to term, delivering,
etc., no matter that the father goes to all the Dr. appts., is in
on the delivery, etc.  You simply want a clear distinction.  That's
your right and your priveledge, but you should consider stepping
down from your soapbox on an issue that really is, reading from
the posts, silly to get fussy over.  I let my wife read your post
and she thought it was rather nit-picky, considering all the other
issues in having a child, raising it, etc.

allen
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:58:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies

In article <1992Dec16.163136.15847@hemlock.cray.com> davew@willow03.cray.com (Dave Wagner) writes:
>
>In article <1992Dec16.193651.8553@advtech.uswest.com>, ken@advtech.uswest.com (Kenny Chaffin) writes:
>> 
>> 	I'm sure there are a lot of people with the same _opinion_. My 
>> opinion happens to be different, and neither are necessarily right or wrong,
>> but my argument against it is that it is a medically unnecessary procedure.
>> It is only done for social/vanity/religious reasons. And for me that is not
>> a good enough reason to invoke such a procedure on babies.
>> 
>But unless you're not going to do anything for social/vanity/religious reasons
>(like shave, cut hair (yea, I know there are medical reasons for not having
> hair dragging on the floor - but is that why you cut it), etc), we're back
>with your _opinion_ as to how strong the social/vanity/religious reasons
>are verses it's impact.  Not that I'm stressing on view over another, we're
>still deciding what to do with our 2nd (1st was girl) if it's a boy, but 
>the above reasons are valid to do some things.  The question of "does it
>outweigh the temorary pain, or the chance of complications, or..." is still
>an _opinion_.
>-- 

	First off, its not an all or none situation. Some things may be done
for vanity and others not. Bottom line is that circumcision is often said
to prevent later medical problems--which just isn't the case. If you want
to do it for vanity reasons, just know that that's the reason..

KAC

Opinions? Can anyone actually _have_ opinions or are they no more 
than dust motes floating in the sunlight of collective intellect.

Kenny A. Chaffin                      {...boulder}!uswat!ken
U S WEST Advanced Technologies         ken@dakota.uswest.com
4001 Discovery Drive  Boulder, CO 80303	     (303) 541-6355
 
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.culture.asian.american
From: curtis@WJ.COM (Curtis Otaguro)
Subject: Re: Which is it? Sacramento or Santa Clara?
Organization: Watkins-Johnson Company
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:47:39 GMT

In <1992Dec16.171028.21326@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:



>  Well, my husband has made his trip out to the Bay Area.
>  And it rained the entire time he was there!  But apparently
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
   Definitely not typical of the Bay Area.  We need at least 2 of these big
   sized storms a month through the end of the rainy season to end the drought.

>  We're down to choosing between Sacramento and Santa Clara.
>  The pluses for Sacramento are:
>  - lower housing prices

   Definitely true.  Though housing prices have dropped due to the sagging
   economy (unemployment rate is around 10% in California!)

>  - less congestion

   I don't know how it is in Sacramento, but in the Silicon Valley the traffic
   is very congested during rush hour.

>  The pluses for Santa Clara are:

<deleted>

>  - more things to do, better landscape, climate

   For more things to do its probably true. On climate, definitely true.
   Sacramento is colder in the winter (30s - 40s) and hotter in the summer
   (high 90s - 100s).

<deleted)

>  Also, which place has the better public schools?  The
>  recruiter said that Los Gatos has really good public schools.

   I don't know how the schools are in Sacramento, but in Silicon Valley
   the better schools are in Cupertino, Saratoga, Campbell, Los Gatos, Palo
   Alto.  These areas are among the most expensive areas to buy housing in.

<deleted> 

   Hope this helps.  Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
-- 
Curtis Otaguro              Phone: (408) 439-6119         ~~~ GO GIANTS!
Sr. Electrical Engineer     Email: curtis@wj.com           ~~~ BOWS NO KA OI!
Watkins-Johnson Company     Pmail: 440 Kings Village Rd.
Software Engineering               Scotts Valley, CA, 95066-4081
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kim@m44.unm.edu
Subject: Re: Sign of the times
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 18:55:35 GMT
Organization: UNM Cancer Center, Albuquerque, NM
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: kim@m44.unm.edu

In article <1992Dec15.182952.18526@digi.lonestar.org>, gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes:
>In article <0ck2kfl@rpi.edu> nelsonc@colossus.cs.rpi.edu (Chris Nelson) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec14.185813.22839@cbnewse.cb.att.com> elonich@cbnewse.cb.att.com (diane.e.pedersen) writes:
>>>
>>> The real test of fathers'
>>>(and grandfathers') "enlightenment" would be measuring how
>>>readily they'd change diapers the old-fashioned way.
>>>-- 
>>
>>Well, I've changed disposable, cloth (with pins and clips), and pull-up
>>filled with all manner of messes.  I really don't see what the problem is.
>>
>>                                  Chris (father of Heather, 23mo)

>I'll second that. We use cloth diapers and bio-bottoms and currently have
>two boys in them.  I change my share, though I must confess that, while
>I certainly support the quest for stall-equity in women's restrooms I have
>never thought to lobby for changing tables in men's rooms.  With this idea
>of public changing areas in malls, it looks like the jig will soon be up.
>
>Gerry Palo, (father of Caitlin 7, David 3, Nathan 1.5)

When I am in the mall and Rachel needs a change, I just do it on any level
surface, public or private.  She doesn't seem to mind, so far, and anyone
offended by this can go elsewhere.  BTW it's my job to do all diaper changes
whenever I am physically present, but my wife has to deal with doctors and
insurance company.  A more than even trade, to my mind.

Daniel Kim

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