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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: KMT campus spying activities in the U.S.
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 06:14:31 GMT

In article <9232115.16214@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:

>So you like the Chinese speaking world to go back to the late 19 Century,
>where all the important Chinese policies are determined by Westerners?

So you like the Chinese speaking world to go to the mode of Yugoslavia,
where the slaughter continues without international action?
>
>Chinese people decide on what they want to do with their own countries.
>Westerners decide on what they want to do with their own countries.
>No one should tell each other what to do.

By your logic, we should just let the Serbs continue to slaughter the Muslims.
>
>Whether China should be united or not, and whether Chinese market should
>be open up or not, and whether China should keep monitoring its own
>citizens or not is none of other people's business.

The union and the open market issues, yes.  But there *is* an international
standard for how nations should act, or at least there should be one.
Otherwise, are you saying that you condone the Khmer Rouge's massacre of 1/7
of Cambodians, since that is none of our business?
>
>On the issue of human rights, I believe there are two different standards.
>Chinese/Confucius vs Western/USA.  There are lots of similarities, but
>the morals which those standards are based are quite different.

Hold it there.  I don't know that China has become a monolithic Confucian
society.  Face it, not all Chinese are (or should be) Confucians.
>
>For example, Westerners like to put individual rights first, whereas
>Chinese people like to put family benefits before individual selfishness.

This is *way* too much of a generalization.  I don't think you've read your
history enough.  Liu Ban, for example, when Xian Yu took his father hostage
and threatened to cook his father alive, offered to have some of the same
soup as well.

>So, is hitting your children, or forbidding your children from going out
>to parties human right abuse (for example), or is it just the authority,
>namely parents over children, exercising its unquestioned right
>(in Chinese societies)?  Obeying the authority is extremely important
>in Chinese culture.  And there are many many differences.

But this has no relevance on government theory.  A government is not your
parents.  A government is not your Big Brother.  At least it shouldn't be.

By your standard, do you condone the recent case of a grandfather getting
arrested by the police in Taiwan for molesting his granddaughters, and claiming
that that is none of the police's business?

If a government is abusing its citizens, then there should be international
pressure to get it to stop that abuse.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: wbchen@cs.cornell.edu (Wang-Bor Chen)
Subject: Re: Do you mind..... virgin?
Organization: Cornell University, CS Dept., Ithaca, NY
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:47:51 GMT


>	I tried to count to 10 to calm myself down. I tried to read
>	everybody's opinion with an open mind. 
>	However, THIS IS NOT BEARABLE!!! 
>	This comment has insulted all girls who are not virgin including
>	his own Mom. (Don't tell me that your Mom IS a virgin, Anthony.)
>	Moreover, this comment also hinted that a girl does not have any
>	right whatsoever to her own body and a girl has sex just to 
>	satisfy men's need as she is a whore. 

 Absolutely right, I am on your side.  :)


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  wbchen@cs.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: chan@aloft.att.com
Subject: (none)
Organization: OSU Physics Dept.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:19:57 GMT

Dear friends:

The 55th anniversary of the Nanking Massacre is upcoming, and this
will be the third year the overseas Chinese in North and South America
have actively participated in the commemoration of this unforgettable
tragedy in modern history.

During the last three years, with the effort of Chinese around the
world, we not only have contributed to the education of our people, but
also to the education of the West on the Nanking Massacre.  We hope
our campaign will eventually contribute to the education of Japan's
new generation, not only on the Nanking Massacre alone, but more generally  
on the sufferings their country brought to China and the rest of the world
during the War.

In Hong Kong, the Hong Kong Professional Teachers' Union will urge the
Educational Department to revise the Chinese History curriculum for
the secondary school to emphasize more on the Sino-Japanese War, 
particularly the Nanking Massacre.  Similar lobbying plans have been
proposed in California.  We hope the same can be done elsewhere.

The recent visit of China by Emperor Arkihito marks the beginning of a 
new era of the Sino-Japanese relation.  Although we are all disappointed
by Japan's refusal to apologize and compensate for the war crimes, the
Emperor's visit nevertheless has forced the Japanese to remember and 
to think about what their ancestors had done to China.
For example, a survey in Japan showed that more than 50% of the people 
being interviewed believed that the Emperor should apologize during
his visit to China.  There have also been debates on whether the Emperor
or the Diet (the Congress) should apologize.

It is clear that Japan is very eager to become 
politically strong (e.g., being a member of the security 
council of UN) after being economically strong.  This
is thus a good chance for us to force Japan to face and take responsibility
of her inglorious past, but THIS MAY WELL BE OUR LAST CHANCE.
If Japan manages to stand firm in the next few years, she may be able
to get away with it forever!  If Japan does not learn from the past
for which an enormous price has been paid by the people of both
countries, what we expect to see is another repetition of history.

Let's continue with our campaign this year and keep up with the good work!

NYHKN

Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders)
Subject: Translation Help
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 10:37:34 GMT


Can anyone out there tell me if there is a special name in Taiwan for the 
disposal camera manufactured by Fuji?  I myself would call it something like 
'yi1ci4xing4' (one time type) zhao4xiang4ji1.  However, my suspicions are that 
there must be a more clever term than that.  In order to save readers of this 
newsgroup from wasting their respective bandwidths, any netter with an answer 
to this question might be advised to reply by e-mail.  Thanks in advance.

Robert Sanders
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Subject: Re: Taiwan News (late)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 22:01:56 GMT

In article <9232304.20855@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:
>>...
>>both cases, IMO, the regimes (the Serbs and the CCP, respectively) are
>>committing atrocities *against humanity*, and foreign governments that
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Exactly my point, the above is a Christian/Western idea.  This is not
>a concept of commiting a crime against all mankind.  The idea arises
>...

	I disagree. The concept of humanity cannot be a Christeian/Western
	idea. For example, when I first saw picture of children suffering
	hunger hence death in Africa as a boy (hence no Christian/Western
	influences) I felt for them AS A HUMAN BEING.

	Certainly, I am only one example but, logically, one countering
	example is enough to disapprove your assertion.

	Furthermore, we may have very different definition of what is
	humanity but the fact is one needs not be influenced by any
	Christian/Western idea to feel for human suffering. I am sure
	there are plenty of Buddhism teaching further clarify this concept
	though I cannot come up with one right this time (I am not a
	religiouis person anyway).

	Finally, a crime against humanity is a crime against all mankind?
	I sure welcome this equation but I think we were born way too
	early to see that happens.

Yung-Kao Hsu
From: npchen@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nien-Po Chen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Help wanted for @uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Date: 19 Nov 92 05:11:50 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

Hi netters,

I have a friend named Ger3, Ming2.  I only know his E-address but he never 
replies.  I doubt he cannot access the account smoothly.  So, I need your help.
His account is xxxxxx@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (for confidential reason, I cannot post
his login here.)  Anybody in this school know this guy?

The related information:
	*he came to US from Taiwan Taipei for graduate study in summer 1992.
	*he graduated from Physics department of National Tsing Hua University.
	*Ger3: "Ju1 Ger3 Liang4 of "Three guo2 History"; Ming2 as "Sun-Moon".
		    ^^^^  
Please provide his mailing address and phone number if you know.
Thank you very much in advance.

Chen, Nien-Po		npchen@physics.purdue.edu
11/19/92
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.
Date: Sunday, 15 Nov 1992 17:58:10 EST
From: <CMLEE@MTUS5.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: To all not virgin girls!!!!

Hello again,
            I really consider that virginity is a virtue!. Do you know why?
Because, what's the difference between a not virgin girl and a hore?.

            Any comments?????

Anthony.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (positron)
Subject: Re: Mirage 2000-5 Fighter Deal ?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:55:40 GMT

In article <1eimuuINNes3@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> akula@ecst.csuchico.edu (Kuo Han Chang) writes:
>I read the news from the San Francisco Chronicle that  ROC has signed
>a contract to purchase 60(?) Mirage 2000-5 fighter-bombers with missiles
>from France. It will cost about 2.6 billion. Can anybody in Taiwan confirm
>this ?
>
>Kuo


Is there any rumors of whether or not Mig 29's are on
Taiwan's shopping list in the future?  I think the Mig 29's
are excellent planes.  They are solid, relatively simple and
probably easier for Taiwan's aerospace industry to clone.
From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: why_men_desire_virgins
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:49:55 GMT

In article I5s@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu, positron <achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> () writes:
>|One reason why most "normal" men desire virgin girls may
>|be explained from an anthropological point of view.
>|You see, due to the presense of sexually transmitted
>|diseases (STDs), over millions of years, the men
>|who were indifferent to whether or not their sex
>|partners were virgins or not were selected out and
>|only those who had a desire for virgin girls were
>|left alive to pass their genes to the next generation.
>|
>|The advent of antibiotics after the Second World War
>|led to an increase in the survivability in those men
>|who were indifferent to whether or not their sex
>|partners were virgins or not.  (This can be easily seen
>|by the numerous postings by men defending non virgin
>|girls on this newsgroup).  Fortunately AIDs will
>|take care of this problem and will eliminate these
>|"abnormal" men from the gene pool.
>|
>|
>| 
>|
>|


So, from under which rock did you ooze your archaic little ass out of?

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: u235@rex.chb.uokhsc.edu (Yung-Jin Lee)
Subject: Re: why_men_desire_virgins
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 23:13:33 GMT
Organization: University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center, OKC

In article <Bxy6Et.I5s@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> positron <achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>One reason why most "normal" men desire virgin girls may
>be explained from an anthropological point of view.
>You see, due to the presense of sexually transmitted
>diseases (STDs), over millions of years, the men
>who were indifferent to whether or not their sex
>partners were virgins or not were selected out and
>only those who had a desire for virgin girls were
>left alive to pass their genes to the next generation.
>
>The advent of antibiotics after the Second World War
>led to an increase in the survivability in those men
>who were indifferent to whether or not their sex
>partners were virgins or not.  (This can be easily seen
>by the numerous postings by men defending non virgin
>girls on this newsgroup).  Fortunately AIDs will
>take care of this problem and will eliminate these
>"abnormal" men from the gene pool.
>
	Good points.  Another reason can be originated
	from the comsumer's privilege.  That is: when
	men are eligible to get a new pair of shoes why
	they have to pick up an old one?  Same thing
	happens to women too.  We all like virgin no
	matter what it is man or woman.

	YJ
From: Leland.J.Gershell@dartmouth.edu (Leland J. Gershell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Chemistry in Taiwan
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:03:44 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu


How is the state of basic chemistry research in Taiwan?
I will graduate from college with a double-major in Chemistry and
Chinese language; I'd like to look into going back to Taiwan for a
little while... maybe to do some chemistry at Taida or someplace like
that.
Please send any info to:

   gershell@mac.dartmouth.edu

Thank you.
-Lee
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: davidc@usthk.ust.hk
Subject: Any information --Visiting Taiwan
Organization: The Hong Kong University of Science & Technology (HKUST)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 15:34:13 GMT

Hi,  everyone,

	I am a PG student in Hong Kong University of Science and Technology.
As I know,  the technological development in universities and industries is 
very rapid in Taiwan.  It raises my interest in invesitigating the change of
the society caused by the rapid change in the technologies.  How the students
think about their role ?  How do they face the future chanllege ?  
	In fact,  some of my classmates also interest in these questions and we
really want to have a visit to Taiwan,  to talk with the students...  Can
anyboby help ?  Any inforamtion related to the problem is much appreciated.

Chung
From: 2ftzlead@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Boring politics here !
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:11:02 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Boring ! 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.taiwan:15532 soc.culture.hongkong:14826 soc.culture.china:31026
From: wung@eecom.gatech.edu (Peter Wung)
Subject: Re: why_men_desire_virgins
Reply-To: wung@eecom.gatech.edu
Organization: School of EE, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:10:30 GMT

In article 25306@cbfsb.cb.att.com, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>|In article <BxzKIM.Jzn@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> u235@rex.chb.uokhsc.edu (Yung-Jin Lee) writes:
>|>
>|>	Good points.  Another reason can be originated
>|>	from the comsumer's privilege.  That is: when
>|>	men are eligible to get a new pair of shoes why
>|>	they have to pick up an old one?  Same thing
>|>	...
>|
>|	Marriage is comparable to shoe-buying? Guess you throw away
>|	your marriage every three months like your shoes...
>|
>|	Marriage is a life-fulfilling joy and not a one time sexual
>|	fantasy. Yes, you may prefer your spouse to be a virgin but
>|	don't ever let that be the factor that decide your marriage.
>|
>|Yung-Kao Hsu
>|


I believe that the posting was written in a sarcastic and irreverent vein.  Go buy
yourself a sense of humor and you will understand.
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: KMT campus spying activities in the U.S.
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:42:04 GMT

In article <9232115.15767@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby) writes:

>Chinese culture teaches:  obey the authority.

Even when the authority is evil.  (e. g., the Ming Dynasty)

>Western culture does:  rebel against the authority.
>
>Also, as I've said before, we're NOT talking about human rights here,
>we are talking about monitoring citizens, it was Tim Chuang and Nelson
>Lu who kept on linking those two together.  So, my parents monitoring

Hey, it was *you* who brought up the linkage with human rights first.  You
brought up the fact that the United Nations had a separate committee on Asian
human right standards, and seemed to imply that then, as a result, what some
Asian governments do, although not OK by international standards, are perfectly
OK.

>my brother's after school behaviour is a human right abuse?  :)

If your brother is 35.
From: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu (david lu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:19:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: galaxy.23950
Organization: University of California, Riverside

I would say no, since I'm not expecting my future wife
to expect me to be a virgin. :)  Seriously, though, I
don't mind her having other sexual partners before our
marriage as long as she's careful about STD's.  *AFTER*
marriage, however, I would want to be her only sexual
partner, and vice versa.

And as Christine pointed out, how do you check?  The
"cherry" might be broken by other causes.  I'm only
guess on this, but won't masturbation also break the
hymen?  Perhaps some experienced females on the net
can confirm this. :)

			- David

-- 
---==lulu@ucrengr==---  just another overworked graduate student.
David T Lu, Amateur Thinker: lulu@ucrengr.ucr.edu, {ucsd, uci}!ucrengr!lulu
"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle."
					- Arthur Dent, Hitchhiker's
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:00:59 EST
From: <SXZ104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: Do you mind..... virgin?
 <1992Nov19.001307.10308@u.washington.edu> <Bxz8n7.8oL@watserv2.uwaterloo.ca>

     When was the last time you went to Taiwan ? ? ?I just came to the States
 in July and I live in Taiwan for two years. And trust me the whole thinking
in Taiwan teens have changed. We would go out and drink on the weekend and
party all the time. The girls have gotten very loose.

Anarch.

Anarch.
From: akula@ecst.csuchico.edu (Kuo Han Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Mirage 2000-5 Fighter Deal ?
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:50:38 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

I read the news from the San Francisco Chronicle that  ROC has signed
a contract to purchase 60(?) Mirage 2000-5 fighter-bombers with missiles
from France. It will cost about 2.6 billion. Can anybody in Taiwan confirm
this ?

Kuo
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: chanh@cary114.its.rpi.edu (Hing Lun Chan)
Subject: Email address of National Taiwan University
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 18:19:16 GMT

Can anyone tell me the host name of the email addresses of the undergraduate
students in NTU?  My friend has just given me her email address, which is
something like BExxxxxx@ntu.edu.tw, but I think the host name should contain
something more before 'ntu'.  She is a freshman majoring in Electrical 
Engineering.  Thanks.


Hing-Lun.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
From: wwang@iastate.edu (Wen-Ping Wang)
Subject: Re: why_men_desire_virgins
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 07:52:54 GMT

In article <By3pK6.Jx1@acsu.buffalo.edu> stsai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Shuoh-Ren Tsai) writes:
>
> 
>Some of men whose wifes/girl friends are virgins always try to suggest everyone
>NOT to mind if your girl friend/wife is a NOT virgin.  The thing does not
>happen to them.  Of course they don't care.  And they try to pretend to be a
>nice man with open mind.  Would anyone whose girl frined/wife is not a virgin
>like to tell us how you feel?  And what is your suggestion?  BTW, please be
>honest.
> 
>I know virginity is not that important now. But hey, this is
>soc.culture.Taiwan, NOT soc.culture.America.
> 

Can't resist to pose two questions. 

1. If a divorced male is married again, will he care his future wife
still being a virgin? The chance?

2. If you are going to marry to divorced female, are you going to ask
her whether she is a virgin? And you say you do care? :-)  

My point? Many times virginity doesn't necessary link to faith or loyalty.

W.P. Wang
From: pchang@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Pei-Yuan Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: "Do you mind if she's a virgin or not?"
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:59:30 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University

To David and all the other curious men:

>And as Christine pointed out, how do you check?  The
>"cherry" might be broken by other causes.  I'm only
>guess on this, but won't masturbation also break the
>hymen?  Perhaps some experienced females on the net
>can confirm this. :)

**** Oh, I am so glad that you asked about this.  Yes.  A NORMAL hymen is not
     totally complete.  There are some small holes (filter-like) for the
     "period" coming out.  If a woman's hymen is totally complete, it is a kind
     of ABNORMAL, and she should go to ask help from a gynecologist.

     So, after knowing this, don't you guys think deciding a virgin by the
     completeness of her hymen is such a ridiculous thing?

---- Christine
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