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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:14:24 EDT
From:         SCHIBERG@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      Re: IRISH?

It's not really a matter of PC-ness--Irish refers to Irish Gaelic,
and Gaelic by itself usually refers to Scottish Gaelic.  There
are long linguitic reasons for this, which I won't go into, at least
not on this net!!  Most people think "Irish" is English with a
brogue--are they surprised to hear "real" Irish!

Susan
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From:         "Michael P. Gilly" <GILL7935@FREDONIA.BITNET>
Subject:      Biting rumps and good movies

Michel, I for one have seen some good movies lately:  "Honeymoon in
Vegas" was very funny, "Mr. Saturday Night" is the best film I've seen
this year, and "Twin Peaks- Fire Walk With Me" was for me being a huge
fan a much better movie than the critical bashing it took.

I'm also sick of the continual bashing of Oscar winners- hasn't anyone
enjoyed any of them?  I have yet to see one that I haven't liked at
least a little.
Just MHO

Mike
SUNY Fredonia                                "I am the Great went" -
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:29:00 CDT
From:         Becky Albitz 5-5931 <CADALBTS@UIAMVS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: All the Presidential Men

Just to add my two cents about the debate--(it was on television, so
we can say we are discussing moving images!)  It didn't take Bush long
to bring up Clinton's Viet Nam-period behavior, which was not smart,
as it was supposed to be the topic which would kill Clinton.  I thought
Clinton responded to it in a calm, and shrewd manner (bringing up
Bush's father's attack on McCarthy).  But, I thought Perot defended
Clinton better than Clinton did--saying that indiscretions of youth
should be viewed in that way!  It was all very interesting...
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:26:47 -0500
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Subject:      Richard III

Ellen (Edgerton)--
Didn't save your note, but I think you had the question about the TV premiere
of Olivier's "Richard III."  According to the venerable _Motion Picture
Guide_, the film was a financial failure in Great Britain, so they made a
deal to premiere it on NBC network in the states for half a million bucks.
The Guide seems therefore to suggest that the film didn't also have a simul-
taneous US theatrical release, though it was released at a later time more
successfully.  Whether this has ever happened with other films, I dunno....
Jeff Clark
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:25:00 EDT
From:         Peter.Giordano@WILLIAMS.EDU
Subject:      Re: Jaws and Spielberg

When I said that I found very little of value in most of Spielberg's work since
JAWS George asked "What about THE COLOR PURPLE - That film is a real good
example of what somebody else has said about Spielberg - He has too much
money to spend - THE COLOR PURPLE would have had a lot more meaning if it
were done as a simple little film instead of the overblown Hallmark card
produced by Spielberg - Take the scene where Whoopi is walking towards her
husband with the razor out and the cinematography and music lead you
to believe that you're about to watch an outake from PSYCHO - Not only
is there nothing in the book to even vagely hint at that scene - The
scene is totally out of character for the way the woman is played in
the rest of the film - That scene was stuck in there for high drama, but
with no narrative purpose - The only good thing that I can say about
that film is that after seeing it I was so appalled that I had to find
out if the novel was as bad as the film - Turns out the novel was
swell - The movie should have been called THE COLOR PUTRID
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Date:         Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:45:15 BST
From:         Kerr Avon <lcc@WIN.ICL.CO.UK>
Subject:      Trivia answer...

Last week,  I asked which director had grossed the most money with his films
between 1985 and 1990.  Several people had a guess, but only one person
got the right answer.

Ray guessed correctly that the director in question is... Robert Zemekis
(hope I spelled that right), who raked in just over a _billion_ dollars
with the Back to the Future trilogy, and _Who Framed Roger Rabbit_.

I vote we have him direct the CINEMA-L movie...

				Liam.
				====-

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Date:         Fri, 9 Oct 1992 11:33:52 -0400
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Subject:      Irish Music

Speaking of Irish music, has anyone out there ever heard ENYA?  I don't KNOW
that she is Irish, but I think  some of the music sounds it.   DOes anyone know?
Dan
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Subject: Re: Glengarry Glen Ross
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:33:52 GMT
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Subj:   RE: Glengarry Glen Ross
>
>>Saw _Glengarry Glen Ross_ last night.  Wow.  Talk about an outstanding
>>collection of actors.  Viewing it was as harrowing as watching
>>_Platoon_--you keep wanting to yell at the characters, "Get out of there
>>before it's too late! "  Taut, tense, all those T words.
>>
>>No breasts, no decapitation, phone-booth fu.  Four stars.  Penny Sue says
>>check it out.
>
>I agree.  I thought it was an *excellent* film.  I especially liked the role of
>Al Pacino as the top salesman.  I also think Jonathan Pryce embodied his
>character quite well.
>                           ______
>  Gary Graffagnino         \    /   "What's that I smell in the air?

I'll go along with the above observations.  A thespian jew.  Jack
Lemmon will get the nomination, but you could give an award to
anyone in the cast and get no argument from me.

j-man

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From: MKERBEL@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Michael)
Subject: Re: Richard III & TV
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 15:24:22 EDT

In article <CINEMA-L%92100713545449@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU>
"Ellen.Edgerton" <EBEDGERT@SUADMIN.BITNET> writes:
 
>
>I have a bit of a weird question -- or rather, the weird answer to
>a weird question -- that I'd appreciate any information on.
>
>I recently read that Laurence Olivier's film RICHARD III (1956)
>debuted in American theaters >and< was broadcast on national
>television (NBC, I think it was) on the same night.  I've never
>heard of that sort of "simultaneous release" happening before
>(and certainly not in the 1950's, and certainly not Shakespeare!)
>
>Was I hearing things, or did this really happen?  If so, were
>there any other instances of such a thing happening on TV in
>the 1950's or 60's?
>
>Ellen
>ebedgert@suadmin.syr.edu
 
This did happen.  RICHARD III was shown on NBC's OMNIBUS on a Sunday afternoon
in 1956.  That day, it opened in theaters.  However: 2 scenes (maybe more)
were eliminated for the TV showing: one had to do with a beheading; the other
merely showed Richard opening the door to the Claire Bloom character's bedroom
and I think his large shadow crossing her bed.  As far as I can guess, this had
to be the first such simultaneous screening: there was still a war on between
the tv and motion picture industries.  I haven't heard of any other instance.
 
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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 08:45:41 EST
From:         Bill Felty <BILL.FELTY@UKWANG.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      School Ties cast members

I saw _School Ties_ this weekend.  I enjoyed it.  And the ensemble cast of
young actors was quite good.  I've place where I've seen all of them before....
except two.  Can anyone tell me why the following two gentlemen look
familiar (i.e. other screen or TV work they've done)?

Matt Damon, who played Dillon
and
Andrew Lowery, who played Mac (the French student who had the breakdown)

thanks in advance.....
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Date:         Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:34:00 EST
From:         SCLERC@BGSUOPIE.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Hoffa

>>we don't know what happened to Hoffa...and
>>did you ever see him and Nicholson in the same place at the same
>>time?
>
>Eureka! I'm getting right to work on the screenplay -- Nicholson
>as an aging too-old-to-be-hip Superman, living in the 'burbs
>with formerly zaftig but now shapeless Lois, still played by
>when's-the-last-time-you-saw-me-in-a-movie Margot Kidder.
>
>Let's not forget Jessica Lange as Supergirl, who's just starting
>to show her mileage, and finds it difficult to fly. Throw in Hugh
>Laurie as Supe & Lois' Spock-like superson, and you've got real
>High Concept  -- BOB & CAROL & TED & ALICE for the 90's.
>
>kjf-

        Or in their '90s, given your emphasis on age...

        Hmmm....I see this as more of a conspiracy film. Hoffa fakes
his own death to escape imprisonment, then heads west to become an
actor so he can spread his subversive message (make up your own)
to the entire culture through the use of films. Oh wait! First
Hoffa assassinates JFK...or RFK...

        Sorry, gotta run, I've got a call from Oliver Stone...

                        Sue
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Date:         Tue, 6 Oct 1992 22:30:48 EDT
From:         SCHIBERG@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      Hugh Laurie

Does anyone know if Hugh Laurie has been in any movies, save for
a bit part in Strapless?  I know of the Masterpiece Theater
Jeeves and Wooster, of his roles in Black Adder (it rears its
ugly head again), and of "A Bit of Fry and Laurie."  ANyone have
any more info?  It will be much appreciated!]

Susan
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Subject: Re: Rocky
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:09:29 GMT
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>Yah, we sure couldn't have a nice decent movie that we all
>feel good about.  We sure couldn't portray real people doing
>real things, people might not be politically correct all the
>time.  How terrible.
>
>
>Ok, I'm done venting now.  Thank you
>
>Joe Daus   U of MO-Columbia
>C444307@MIZZOU1.bitnet
>
Well put; I concur.
gpn
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Subject: Re: THE RUNNING MAN
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:40:57 GMT
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              "CINEMA-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU" at Oct 14, 92 7:27 pm

CINEMA-L@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU writes:
>
> Is there a version of "The Running Man" that precedes
> the version featuring Big Arnie. I seem to remember a
> review of a movie some years back that had a plot
> very similar to "The Running Man". I think the other
> movie was French, but I can't be sure...

  Well that movie was ostensibly made from the Stephen King
(as Richard Bachman) story: The Running Man, but it bore as
much resemblance to the story as the film of Moonraker did to
the Fleming book. So it wasn't necessarily a remake of another
movie. I am curious, though, has anyone heard of another similar
movie?

 Steve

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From: FAC_JCLARK@JMUVAX.BITNET
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Subject: Re: Akira
Date: 15 Oct 92 21:05:55 GMT
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Orlanda,
I don't know whether there's a plan to release ALIENS-the-complete-version
on video as I mentioned, but I suspect not.  Can't tell you everything that's
been added off the top of my head, but will check my disc copy notes, then
send another posting with the info.  Jeff Clark
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 09:05:01 -0400
From:         "Michael P. Gilly" <GILL7935@FREDONIA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Language and PC

Amen j-man|

In my book PC stands for poppycock.

Mike
SUNY Fredonia                               "If anyone has a better idea
                                            (on gas taxes), I'm all ears"-
                                            Ross Perot
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Date:         Fri, 16 Oct 1992 11:53:14 GMT
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From:         Trevor Stynes <TSTYNES@IRLEARN.UCD.IE>
Subject:      Good Movies

----------------------------Original message----------------------------
Hello everybody, I'm new to this list, I just subscribed yesterday.
Reading the mail this morning, I noticed there was a lot of talk
about European Versions of Movies. I live in Ireland so I'm not sure
if the version of Basic Instinct that I saw was the same one that was
shown in the States. The one I saw was pretty erotic, I believe the
censorship laws here in Ireland are somewhat different to the ones in
the States. I know when I was living over there 2 years ago I went to
the cinema fairly often, and the movies I saw over there were a great
deal different to the same movies that I saw here.
    In regards to the full - length version of ALIENS, that has been
released over here for some time now, but to be honest, I thought the
extra 37 minutes actually took away a lot of the effect of the film.
I enjoyed ALIENS, I thought it was a very good movie, and the Abyss
and all James Camerons films in fact. I still think his best one was
"The Terminator". Getting back to the full-length version of ALIENS,
There's an extra scene about twenty minutes into the film where we see
the colonists living in harmony on the planet before the attack of the
aliens. In my opinion, this was a very unnecessary scene, because
before the soldiers arrive on the planet, they (and we) had no idea of
what exactly had travspired there, and so creates a very good effect
and adds tension to the movie. Any way I,m babbling on here.
My favourite Movie director, without a doubt, has got to be Oliver Stone.
I think his movies are excellent, he has a knack of somehow making the
audience get involved.
His contraversial Movie "JFK" is favourite movie of all time. It caused
quite a stir here in Ireland too. Another one of Stone's movies that I
really enjoyed was "Platoon" which in my book comes as a close second place.
Francis Ford Coppola is also a very good Director. I would say with no
doubt in my mind, that my favourite actor is Robert De Niro.
You probably think I'm A boring ol' fart, and that I talk to much.
I'm sorry if I'm boring you with my opinions, Jesus, I might get this
message published, it's turning into a book.
Anyway, please write back and tel me about your opinions.


Trevor Stynes.  (Trev).
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Date:         Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:44:16 -0500
From:         JACKSOSM@VUCTRVAX.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Cooper-bashing & translation

Subj:   Cooper-bashing & translation

>Yup, it's that ugly beast Translation, rearing its ubiquitous heads.  Or
>would the beast of Translation be all tails and no head?

>A couple more questions:  if we all claim to be fed up with Cooper, are we
>obligated to either dislike the film or, if we like it say that it isn't
>faithful to Cooper?  If we dislike Cooper, would we have to dislike any
>film which *was* "faithful" to Cooper?  I'm particularly interested to know
>how Peter G., M. Kerbel, and j-man would answer those.

I'll say one thing for you, Rick, once you grab hold of an idea, even if
it is a disarmingly small one, you certainly keep a firm grasp on the
thing.  Applying the "translation" analogy to every creative endeavor
under the sun is futile.  Cooper's literary efforts reflect the work of
a mediocre talent who persevered in spite of his limitations.  In
today's market, he would consistently make the NY Times best seller list
and his crippled prose would earn millions.  Whatever merit the film has
is to be more attributed to the nonappearance of Cooper's literary voice
than to any coincidental features of character and story.  Although you
obviously don't accept the aesthetic differences between fiction and
film, I believe comparing the two has only an ancillary significance.
If  you wish to say that Coopers's novel has been "translated" into
film, by all means do so.  I prefer to accept the film on its own terms
instead of treating it as a second-generation expression of someone
else's ideas.

j-man

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Date:         Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:30:50 EDT
From:         Rob Rosenthal <ST801736@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: All the Presidential Men

  Never mind the debate, did anybody see Saturday Night Live's version of it
the night before?  It was _uncanny_ how close both the answers and the
responses were to the real thing.
  As for who did win the debate...well, if I were voting for king, I'd pick
Ross Perot without thinking twice.  But for president, I think Dana Carvey is
the man.
                                        Rob Rosenthal
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> Drat!  (Yes, someone still says that)
>    I deleted my copy of the first presidential debate review.
> The others are quickly becoming hot items as we worry about
> who our new boss will be.  Will someone please send it to me?
>                                       Thanks!
>                                         Alex Ellermann
> P.S.  Think about that column idea.  These are a lot funnier
> than anything I see in the post.
> PPS   Taxi Driver.
> & 1 more!  --Get a hold of the Branagh's Henry V screenplay & compare
> it to Shakespeare's original.  It's fun to see where he cut & think about
> why...
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From:         SCHIBERG@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Laurie, Branagh et al

Hugh Laurie has been in Jeeves and Wooster (Masterpiece Theater here
in the States), Strapless (a bit part as a doctor), and in a show called "A Bit
Fry and Laurie" (seen here on Bravo occasionally).  I
was just notified that he is in an Annie Lennox video dressed
as the Prince Regent from Black Adder.  What else am I missing?
And he will be in Peter's Friends, opening Xmas.  Whew!

Susan
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From:         "Ellen.Edgerton" <EBEDGERT@SUADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Allegedly sexist Best Pictur

Rob!  Michael!  Shall we say pistols at dawn?

You know, the only thing that keeps this argument from being sexist is
the fact that you aren't fighting over >me<...  <big grin>


Ellen
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Date:         Sat, 10 Oct 1992 10:40:22 -0400
From:         FISHERKJ@SNYONEVA.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Your Chairness

I s'pose we should relate this to movies somehow, before someone
starts to bitch/sire about it. But that would be too PC.

The chair-whatsis controversy leaves us with the problem of
woman/women (as morphemes, not as organisms). On this campus
(campa, campum) we have a Womyn's Alliance [sic]...but this is
clearly a short-term solution. After all, "womyn" still *sounds*
the same.

The inevitable, logical neologisms are woperson/wopeople. But these
are just the kinds of tonguetwisters that over time are elided, the
way boatswain became bo'sun or waistcoat became "wess-k't".

Eventually, then, an adult female will be a wop's'n (pron. "woop'sun")
and more than one wop's'n will be wop'le (pron. "wipple").

Man and wop's'n. Men and wop'le. It has a ring to it.

Stranger things have happened.

kjf-
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>  Never mind the debate, did anybody see Saturday Night Live's version of it
>the night before?  It was _uncanny_ how close both the answers and the
>responses were to the real thing.
>  As for who did win the debate...well, if I were voting for king, I'd pick
>Ross Perot without thinking twice.  But for president, I think Dana Carvey is
>the man.
>                                        Rob Rosenthal
>
Yes, I also found the immitations Excellent!
Joe
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From:         SCHIBERG@MOREKYPR.BITNET
Subject:      movie to see...

If anyone out there has Cinemax (a necessity in the little town I
live in...), watch for a movie called "Tatie Danielle"--it is
scheduled to play this month.  I think it is out on video as well.
It's terrific--really funny in a weird sort of way...

Susan
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Subject: Re: Favorite movies
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Ellen,
This is a tough question.  Having a very eclectic taste (possible translation:
none), it's hard to think how to start off the list.  So I'll consider a while
longer and see if someone else's answers prompt me...  Jeff Clark
From: BL.JMP@RLG.BITNET (Jennifer Porro)
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Date: 13 Oct 92 15:44:52 GMT
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REPLY TO 10/13/92 05:40 FROM CINEMA-L@AUVM.BITNET "Discussions on all forms of
Cinema": Re: Denholm Elliot

Yes, I was deeply saddened to read Kerr's post announcing Denholm
Elliott's death -- I hadn't heard.  He was in so many wonderful things
-- several on "Masterpiece Theater," including BLEAK HOUSE.  I too
would like to see a filmography appear on this list.

Jennifer

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