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From: greg@pomona.claremont.edu (Tigger)
Subject: Re: Disney Homophobia?
Organization: Pomona College
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:40:09 PDT

In article <37749@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook) writes:
> 
> To the best of my knowledge, the late Howard Ashman, Disney lyricist
> and producer, was gay.  He worked on The Little Mermaid, Beauty and
> the Beast, Aladdin, and a little of Oliver and Company.  Disney may
> not have known this, but wouldn't you think they'd try to find out?

If *I* knew he was gay, the Disney management *must* have.  I keep about
as much track of people's sexual preferences as I do of their shoe sizes,
but the Disney management clearly cares a bit more than that.

> Curiously, Andy Bell also serves as the chief lyricist of Erasure,
> in addition to singing.  It seems that Disney is willing to hire
> talented gays, as long as no one knows and no one can see them.  Now
> *that* looks like their image problem.

Why?  As far as Disney is concerned, doing that program in Sweden would
have been promoting homosexuality.  Saying that they didn't want to
promote homosexuality is a far cry from saying that Mr. Bell shouldn't
be allowed to make music or should be strung up from the nearest tree.
Disney didn't "bash" Mr. Bell or homosexuals as a group.  They simply
made a programming decision based upon their corporate values.  It sounds
to me like the Swedes are overreacting.  "Acting like Hitler," indeed.

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From: guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Karen Guthrie)
Subject: Re: HELP Disneyland hurts childs feelings
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:37:57 GMT


In article <1992Sep14.205433.2654@nic.csu.net>, jtinkle@sparc1.sparc1.csubak.edu (j. tinkle ) writes:
> In article <1992Sep14.213212.11453@nb.rockwell.com> guthrie@nb.rockwell.com (Ka
> ren Guthrie) writes:
> >We
> >have actually had her measured three times in a single line.  This seems
> >a bit excessive to me and it is hard on parents and children alike.  Now 
> >it is fortunate that this problem will be gone in a few months but I was
> >left wondering how great I would think Disneyland was if I was an out of
> >town parent and this was our only chance.  I think that they should have
> >one or more measuring stations where kids could get a bracelet (like the
> >hospital kind) that must be destroyed to be removed if they are tall
> >enough and that would be the end of the discussion.
> >  I know this may seem like a small thing but you
> 			       ^^^^^ <giggle>  Sorry.  I love puns.
> >should have seen that little crushed face.  After all it is more than just
> >not getting to ride it is being classed as little.
> >
> >Disneyland should be a place where dreams come true... not where they are 
> >dashed.
> >
> >Karen
> 
> From someone who's 5'2", I think you are making a big deal out of it.  Hope
> she grows another foot and will enjoy next year's season pass :).  Perhaps
> she was too young?  I never went on any of those rides when I was 4.5
> years old.  And that's from lack of wanting to!  I would refer to her as a
> little kid if I saw her, and that's not because of height!  But, I think
> the bracelet idea's good.  I could use one myself.
> 
> Jennifer
> ****************************************
> The *Incredible* woman with no attitude!
> ****************************************

No she is not too little.  For one thing she enjoyed all of the fast rides
emensely, and for another about 12 out of 13 height measurements classed her
as big enough.  It was just this one power mad jerk.  My problem is mostly
inconsistency not a requirement.  I am only 5'3" and I don't have a problem
with my height.  It is not that she wants to be large but wanting to be a
big girl in the mature sense is a very important step in a childs development
I think.  Parents can use it as a complement for everything from not throwing 
a fit over a toy you won't buy to trying hard at swimming or reading.  If
you haven't been around a 4.5 year old lately you would be surprised to know
that Chelsea can swim, spell her name and write it, sound out small words
and started Kindergarden yesterday.  Her desire to go on the fast rides is
probably the fault of genetics since I never rode a ride that was too fast.
Her only complaint about Space Mountain was that it was too short... I agree.

Karen
From: snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: FANTASMIC SECRET!!
Date: 10 Sep 92 04:36:30 GMT
Organization: Just put everything on the floor; I can find it.


In article <!!tndbb.mcdonald@netcom.com>, 
  mcdonald@netcom.com (James T. Mc Donald III) writes...

> Or,if you are lucky enough, watch it from the balcony of Club 33. 

I've tried it.  The are very, very few good vantage points from Club 33.
Virtually all of the view from the balcony is obscured by trees.  There is a 
break in the trees at the mid-point of the balcony, but unfortunately there's 
also a break in the balcony itself at that point.  You have to scrunch up at
the very end of the balcony to get any sort of a decent view, and you're
competing with just about everybody else in the club at the time for the few
available spots.  It's an excellent viewpoint for the fireworks show, though.

 - snopes

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From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: EPCOT Shooting
Distribution: world
Date: 14 Sep 92 06:12:12 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

 In this morning's paper is a disturbing report that the ex-boyfriend
 of a WDW employee had brought a 12-gauge shotgun to EPCOT.  The 37-
 year-old man, Allen Ferris of Rochester, NY, hung around EPCOT after
 it closed Saturday night.  When guards told him to leave, he fired 4
 shots at them and then held two of the guards hostage in a restroom,
 according to Jim Solomons, Orange County Sheriff's spokesman.
 
 Ferris then released the guards and emerged from the restroom.  He
 was surrounded by a circle of deputies.  They ordered him to drop the
 shotgun.  Instead, he shot himself in the head.  He was pronounced
 dead at Orlando Regional Medical Center.

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From: tyger@netcom.com (Kitty in the Middle)
Subject: Re: Kidnapping at Disneyland
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 06:00:34 GMT
Organization:  The VAX ate my Brain

In article <21982@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>In article <1992Sep12.051417.22361@PA.dec.com>, snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes:
>> In article <1768@shaman.wv.tek.com>, 
>>>Happened to my project leader's brother last weekend: they were walking
>>>through Disneyland with their two-year-old boy, holding his hand.
>>>Somebody bumped into them, they lost the boy's hand, and the boy
>>>disappeared.  Panicked, screamed for security, and a good thing: a few
>>>minutes later they caught somebody trying to hustle the boy out a gate,
>>>wearing different clothes and with a haircut.
>>>
>>Yeah, it's really scary because this exact same thing happens several dozen 
>>times a year, always to somebody else's relative's friend, at amusement
>>parks and malls all over the country.  Next time don't forget to leave out 
>>part about how they managed to identify him by his shoes, since the kidnappers
>>always forget to change them.  It's also a lot more interesting if you include
>>the details about the kidnappers' drugging the boy, taking him into the 
>>bathroom, and disguising him as a girl.
>
> Pompous assholes like you are the real problem - no - nothing like this could
>possibly have gone wrong at the great Disney world or the even greater Walt
>Disney world - screw you - before you start calling someone a liar you should
>at least have the slightest bit of proof to back it up... but of course 
>Disney is always right in this group so what am I thinking of.... perhaps if it
>was your child you might think twice before mocking someone else.....

Back off, Gary...

Maybe it happened, but maybe it didn't. Regular readers of alt.folklore.urban
see these sorts of stories on a daily basis, which would tend to make one a 
bit cynical. At worst, snopes is a cynic. What he is not is an asshole.

As to your comments about "Disney the Untouchable", could you point me to 
*where* anyone has said they can do no wrong? I must have missed that lot of 
articles.

    
>				gln

   Tyger

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From: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Subject: Pan and Scan version of B&TB
Organization: Columbia U., New York City
Reply-To: es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:38:09 GMT
X-Posted-From: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


	I just finished watching beauty and the beast here at
school. It was cropped -- the screen was either 1.66:1 or 1.33:1,
I'm not sure which. The losses were terrible. Despite having been
told that there would be some gains due to the original format of
the movie there were none -- vertical height was same as movie.

Examples:

	When the beast is about to surprise belle with the
library, and he waves his hand in front of her face to make sure
her eyes were closed, Belle was completely missing from the
picture.

	The ballroom -- well, just use your imagination. There
were no sides to the room.

	It was pretty bad, and now I'm pretty well convinced to
wait for a real release of the movie (letterboxed). To those who
have laserdisc players: Don't get the videotape. Write letters to
Disney to make sure they release a real version.


	Everything here is, of course, IMNSHO. Perhaps I'm
overreacting, but it was pretty disappointing, and I'll be very
depressed if Disney tells me I'll never see the full movie.
	-- Ethan


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From: snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes)
Subject: Re: Why I love Disney, Part 47
Organization: Just put everything on the floor; I can find it.
Date:  7 SEP 92 09:15:16    


In article <1992Sep6.180430.1@pomona.claremont.edu>, 
  greg@pomona.claremont.edu (Tigger) writes...

>You're absolutely right.  The Walt Disney Company is solely responsible
>for homelessness, hunger, drug abuse, riots, rape, drunk driving, murder,
>and the fact that there hasn't been a decent candidate for public office
>on any level in over two hundred years.

That's just silly.  The original poster didn't say Disney was "solely
responsible" (or even partly responsible) for various ills of society, but
that their manner of conducting business sometimes represents the worst
aspects of big business in America.  You may not agree with what he says, but
please don't resort to such a gross exaggeration of his words in order to make
your point.

 - snopes

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From: doreen@wpi.WPI.EDU (Doreen Judith Burrell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Sword in the Stone
Date: 14 Sep 1992 16:10:37 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

  Hi! I am doing a paper on the Sword in the Stone the movie and how it was
taken from T.H. White's book THE ONCE AND FUTURE KING.  My biggest problem as 
of late has been finding out the year the movie was released, and finding 
reviews on both the book and the movie. If anyone can be of any assistance,
please email me or write to this newsgroup!

Thanks a bunch in advance for the help!!!!!


doreen@wpi.WPI.EDU


SMILE :)
From: rcook@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Robert Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Beauty And The Beast -- Quote List
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:13:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Here are my submissions to the quote (and pantomime) list:

- Here in town there's only she who is beautiful as ME.  (Gaston)

- Then we'll sing you off to sleep as you digest!  (Be Our Guest)

- He's such a tall, dark, strong, and handsome brute!  (Bimbettes)

As for pantomimes, how about when the Beast carefully approaches the
little birdies while squatting.  And then Belle peeks around a tree
and sees him covered with birds.

Shortly afterward, Belle splatters Beast with a snowball, whereupon
he gathers nearly enough snow to ski on (with an evil expression).

One oddly humorous scene has Gaston glancing at a reflection of
himself and using his tongue to wipe his teeth.

Sheesh!  This film has almost too many moments.

- Robert Cook
From: acw@Apple.COM (Art Willis)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Song of the South
Summary: Japanese Import Laser Disk Available
Keywords: Disney Animated Laser Disks
Date: 15 Sep 92 04:40:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

In article <1992Sep10.175000.11892@aa.cad.slb.com> chamber@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (Craig Chamberlain) writes:
>
>I've heard that the Disney movie "Song of the South", featuring
>the tales of B'rer Rabbit and the song "Zip a Dee Doo Dah", which
>Disney uses in a lot of theme music, will never be released in the
>U.S..  Apparently this is because some might feel that the portrayal
>of the character Uncle Remus is racist.
>
> [ ... deleted]
>
>Does anyone know if there is any legal way to get "Song of the South"
>as a video in the English language?  I have heard that it is sold in
>Japan, but a friend of mine living there hasn't found it in the
>stores, and it might be in Japanese.  I've also heard that it is shown
>at the WDW resorts but I can't go to WDW as often as I'd like.  Any
>help would be appreciated.
>
>And what about some of the other obscure Disney movies - I think there
>was one called "Make Mine Music".  Or the one with the three
>caballeros.  These might not have been of the same calibre as "Song of
>the South" but still could be interesting to a Disney aficionado.
>-- 
>Craig Chamberlain                Internet: chamber@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com
>Schlumberger CAD/CAM                       chamberlain@aaaca1.sinet.slb.com
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Laser Land of Cupertino, CA has the Japanese import laser disc version
of "Song of the South" most of the time.  It sells for about $60.00.
It contains both English and Japanese soundtacks and has Japanese subtitles
for some of the songs and singing.  They also have both CLV and CAV versions
of "The Three Caballeros", the Donald Duck live actions/animation mixture.
It runs $30 for CLV and $40 for CAV.  I don't think "Make Mine Music" has
ever been released on VCR or LD; but, I could be wrong.

Regards,

Art Willis
acw@apple.com
(Only a customer of Laser Land; not an employee, owner, or groupie.)
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From: ins534z@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Quetzal)
Subject: Paige O'Hara: Where have I heard that before?
Organization: Monash University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 01:55:23 GMT

Now, at about his point in these sorts of postings, someone has to say,
"This is probably in the FAQ, but . . .", but I've just read the FAQ and
didn't see it, so here goes . . .

(Lots of white space to facilitate cutting in replies :-)

The name, Paige O'Hara (Belle) seems vaguely familiar to me.  Can someone
suggest just where else I might have heard of the name?
(In other words, name some films, etc., and *all* films, not just Disney
features, of which I think, as I put on my asbestos suit, there
aren't too many!)

Tim Pickett

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From: jejones@microware.com (James Jones)
Subject: Re: Kidnapping at Disneyland
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 22:33:32 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.005827.28604@engage.pko.dec.com> snopes%club33@stlth.enet.dec.com (snopes) writes:
>My disbelief has nothing to do with refusing to accept that this could happen
>at a Disney park -- it has to do with the fact that this same story has been
>repeatedly reported, year after year, as having occurred at Disneyland, Disney
>World, various other amusement parks, shopping malls, and just about every
>other place where large numbers of families gather.  It was already old news
>when Brunvand covered it in "The Vanishing Hitchhiker" over ten years ago.

What I *really* found scary about this urban legend was finding it in
*The United States of America vs. Sex*, a book about the Meese Commission.
If I remember rightly, one of the commission members cited this very urban
legend.

	James Jones
From: ray@pequod (& Uliassi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Re: Imagineers Layoffs
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:40:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations



In article <1992Sep11.023657.9052@ncsu.edu> swimmer@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu  
(Jennifer Bouck) writes:
> 
> My parents just got back from WDW, and they heard that about
> 100 imagineers were layed off recently.  Anyone hear anything 
> else about this?  Any news?  I guess this might mean now is not
> the time to be looking for a professional job in engineering in 
> WDW.  Thanks for any information!
> 
> 
>  
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I understood it was 300-400 people.  Didn't they do this shortly after  
EPCOT opened as well?
From: Rich_Koster@agwbbs.new-orleans.LA.US (Rich Koster)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.disney
Subject: Wilderness Lodge at WDW
Distribution: world
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:21:03 CST
Organization: The Amiga GateWay BBS * New Orleans, La.

First of all, thanks to all of you who sent me all the great WDW info via
private mail.  I really appreciate it!
 
Now here's something good in return.  I downloaded this from the Disney
echo
on Fidonet today.  It is a public message sent by Ed Sterrett (1:3633/2).
 
From Sept 3rd Eyes & Ears..
 
 
  Groundbreaking for the 725 room Wilderness Lodge began in August,
opening planned for mid-summer 1994..
 
  Guests traveling to our newest hotel will follow a gently winding
route from World Drive thru cool pine forests to Disney's Wilderness
Lodge, which is comfortably nestled into natural surroundings on the
southwestern shore of Bay Lake. The resort is designed to embody the
essence of the National Park Service lodges created under the
direction of Stephen Mather during the early part of the century.
Reminiscent of the Old Faithful Inn, the resort building features
extensive use of quarried stone and authentic lodgepole pine.
  Upon entering the soaring, log-structured main lobby, guests will be
awestruck by the massive bundled log columns that rise six stories and
support a series of log trusses. Natural lighting illuminates the
lobby thru a variety of dormers on the steeply pitched roof. Four
large chandeliers with torch cut iron bands featuring silhouettes of
Indians and buffalo, topped with glowing teepees, grace the center.
Two authentic NW coast totem poles, the eagle pole and the raven pole,
soar to 55 feet on each side of the lobby. The lobby also boasts a
majestic three sided stone fireplace and intricately detailed,
multicolored flooring that recalls NW Indian designs. Six levels of
corridors surround the lobby, providing access to guest rooms and
sitting areas, porches, and reading areas that will entice the guest
to explore.
  The feature pool area reinforces the notion that the Lodge's guest
wings were designed to "embrace" a naturally occurring rock, water,
and geothermal area. Beginning as a hot spring/color pool in the main
lobby, the water flows under the window wall to become "Silver Creek"-
a quiet, contemplative setting in the upper courtyard. The creek
widens as it develops into a rushing, roaring waterfall adjacent to
"Overlook Point", and widens again into a swimming area that appears
to be carved out of rockscape. A kiddie pool and hot and cold spas
complement the swimming area, which then seems to flow into Bay Lake.
A geothermal area replete with steaming color pools and an "old
Faithful" geyser offers excitement nearby.
 

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From: wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (August Paul Yang)
Subject: Re: Disney Pooh Hallmark Ornaments
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 23:46:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.162959.17236@news.acns.nwu.edu> jwest@andersen.uucp (Jeffrey A. West) writes:
>Was Gopher a Disney creation? I don't seem to remember him from 
>the A.A. Milne books.

Nope.  Gopher is totally a Disney creation.  Hence whenever he appears
he keeps saying "I'm not in the book."

Took me three watches of the original Winnie the Pooh shorts to figure
that out.

wntrmute@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
August Paul Yang
still .sig-less.
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From: swimmer@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Jennifer Bouck)
Subject: Imagineers Layoffs
Organization: Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NCSU, Raleigh
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 02:36:57 GMT


My parents just got back from WDW, and they heard that about
100 imagineers were layed off recently.  Anyone hear anything 
else about this?  Any news?  I guess this might mean now is not
the time to be looking for a professional job in engineering in 
WDW.  Thanks for any information!


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