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From: cheveign@ircam.fr (Alain de Cheveigne)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Mac Email systems feedback wanted
Date: 9 Apr 92 07:48:43 GMT
Organization: IRCAM


In article <1992Apr6.161502.11199@interop.com> davidg@interop.com (David Gimpelevich) writes:
   In article <29DD2FB0.14FE@intercon.com> kdb@intercon.com (Kurt D Baumann) writes:
   >In article <1992Mar31.093337.29698@interop.com>, davidg@interop.com (David 
   >Gimpelevich) writes:
   >> I have 75 users (about 40 of them very heavy), to grow soon to 100. 
   >> I have immediate need for SMTP connectivity, a less pressing need for 
   >> FAX and AppleLink gateways, and future needs for MHS, X.400, MCI Mail
   >> and remote server-server connections.
   >
   >Well have you looked into QuickMail?  There are LOTS of gateways being sold 

   We run QuickMail here now, and I am looking to swith out of it.  Mail me if
   you would like to hear details - I don't want to malign people in public.


So am I.  If you have the possiblity of using a unix box as an SMTP/POP
server, I suggest you use Eudora on the Macs.  See John Norstad's
paper (can be found at rascal.ics.utexas.edu as Mac_email_evaluation in
/misc/mac/communications).



Alain de Cheveigne,
Laboratoire de Linguistique Formelle,
CNRS/Universite Paris 7,
alain@linguist.jussieu.fr
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston)
Subject: Re: Updating White Knight...
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Delaware/Department of Mechanical Engineering
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:45:00 GMT

In article <8APR199217110985@me.udel.edu>, johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes...

>A copy of the Pup Decryptor was also included in the WK 11.10->11.12
>updater, which is still available on sumex-aim.stanford.edu in 
>/info-mac/util.

Whoops ... make that /info-mac/comm.  For reasons unbeknownst, it was
the 11.12->11.13 updater that was placed in /info-mac/util ...

-- Bill (johnston@me.udel.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: leonardr@ccs.itd.umich.edu
Subject: Re: Other Comm Toolbox Tools?
Originator: leonardr@diddley.ccs.itd.umich.edu
Keywords: kermit? zmodem?
Organization: Campus Computing Sites, University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 17:18:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr14.122719.26546@panix.com> spencer@panix.com (David Spencer) writes:
>How tough would it be to put a comm toolbox wrapper around the
>publicly available rz/sz? Mind you, I've never diddled with comm
>toolbox, but maybe somebody who's got the book could do us all a
>favor....
>
	Putting a "comm toolbox wrapper" around existing code is not that
difficult ASSUMING that you have experience with the CTB and some good
sample code (of which none exists!).

	As to using rzsz as the basis, that would take you a LONG TIME to
get up to speed on the Mac, starting with it's use of getc/putc for I/O
operations (SLOW!) and ending with such things as support for MacBinary
and mac-specific things.


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From: ehanson@batman.acslab.umbc.edu (Mr. Erik Hanson; ARTS-SCI (UGRAD))
Subject: Re: MacTCP and Slip ?
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore County, Mathematics Department
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 04:54:28 GMT

In article <Wmp+DG@engin.umich.edu> Mike.Alexander@umich.edu (Mike Alexander) writes:
>>More info please! Is VersaTerm's SLIP tool compatabile with all 
>>applications that use MacTCP, or is like BYU Telnet with SLIP tossed in, 
>>and you can just get a SLIP connection for VersaTerm?
>
>It's a new LAP layer for MacTCP.  This lets you use everything that
>supports MacTCP, at least in principle.  Because a SLIP line is so much
[stuff about how well VersaTerm's SLIP tool works...]


Um... I'm sure this has been asked, but I must have missed it. Do
you have to buy VersaTerm to get the SLIP tool? If so, how much is
VersaTerm? If not, how much is the SLIP tool?


Seeya!
Erk

______________________________________________________________________________
Erik Hanson   University o' Maryland Baltimore County   ehanson@umbc3.umbc.edu
From: mspace@netcom.com (Brian Hall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Does Prometheus Suck?
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:47:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <23320008@col.hp.com> chrism@col.hp.com (Chris Magnuson) writes:
>If any of you are considering the purchase of a Prometheus Ultima Home Office
>modem...reconsider.
>
>Chris Magnuson
>chrism@col.hp.com 
>
>"I had a Home Office and ordered a Supra."

I am considering one, why should I reconsider?

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: T3000 callback woes
From: jjohnson@ewsvax.mdcbbs.com
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:47:11 GMT
Organization: McDnDSpaceSys, Huntington Bch, CA
Nntp-Posting-User: jjohnson

Hi all,

 I've had a particularly nasty time using two Telebit T3000s and the callback
 security feature. I'm using a IIcx running 7.0.1 w/Tuner 1.0 (yeah, I know, I
 don't need .1 on a cx, but I've got it on my Quadra at work, and I didn't know
 it at the time I rebuilt my IIcx Sys Folder). I've got a HW handshaking cable,
 but I'm still using Apple Modem Tool 1.0.2, which doesn't directly support it
 (more on that later..)
   Using MacTerminal 3.0, PacerTerm 1.0, or MacTerminal 2.3, I can call my
dialup number at anywhere from 9600-19.2, get connected, type in my password,
set my T3000 to pick up after one ring (which it does), but then I get a
flashing carrier detect light about 80% of the time with the two Comm Toolbox
apps and 30% of the time with MacTerm 2.3. After about 10 second of flashing
"CD" I get dropped.  If I get in, I only very rarely get dropped over the
course of the session, so I don't think it's necessarily line noise.

(Of course, there's somebody else with a modem configured exactly like mine
who's never had any problems w/a dumb terminal, although he's closer to the
 plant than I am.)

Things I've tried:

-Shortest possible telco cable from modem to wall. no difference.
-Moving modem, cables away from power cords, other equipment, etc. no diff.
-Using new Apple Modem tool- Crashes PacerTerm every time on exit, doesn't seem
  to affect MacTerm 3.0 much.

 I finally tried cutting down the number of INITs loading- Max was about 12,
including Liaison, Moire 3.22, and NOW's AlarmsClock.It seems that by using
fewer and fewer INITs, MacTerm 2.3 starts connecting with reliability first,
followed by PacerTerm, then MacTerm 3.0.

I'm still not connecting very reliably without the extra INITs, and I'm not
convinced that I have enough data to conclude that inits might be slowing down
the CTB enough to keep it from connecting successfully.

(and of course, I got dropped once while posting this message.)

Again, I can get connected dialing out, it's just a problem when the host dials
back.

Ideas????

Thanks in advance

Jeff Johnson
jjohnson%ewsvax.decnet@mdcgwy.mdc.com

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle)
Subject: Re: Terminal 2.2 Questions
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 18:34:41 GMT

I have played some more with Terminal 2.2 since I wrote this.  I have
figured out some things and have a few more questions.

In article <1992Apr17.052356.3027@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> jess@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jess M Holle) writes:
>I just downloaded Terminal 2.2 and I have a couple of questions:
>
>   1)  Is there a way to send a break sequence???
>   2)  If not then has anyone added this to the source code???  What
>       does it take to send a break (programming-wise)?

Hangup DTR seems to work.  Is this a "proper" break sequence?  If not,
is this possible?

>   3)  Has anyone else had the program freeze when they use the about
>       Terminal menu item?  Is there a fix for this?

After looking at the source code (included with the program), I discover
that the little guy in the about box is a button.

>   4)  Does anyone know if the Terminal 2.2 application file that is
>       included in the distribution is compiled to use the CTB?

Also, how much work would it be to add CTB Terminal protocol support?

>Thanks for any responses in advance.  In case you are wondering, Terminal
>2.2 lets you use a subset of C to write a variety of nifty scripts.
>
>Jess Holle

Jess Holle
From: Andrew Waegel <awaegel@igc.org>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:44 PDT
Subject: ascii to binary for mac needed
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1364300002:000:665
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!awaegel    Apr 16 16:44:00 1992


Hi out there-

I'm from IGC, the group that runs the networks PeaceNet and EcoNet.
We've got users that are Xchanging binary Macintosh files (e.g. MS Word
files) back & forth between EcoNet and BitNet (shudder). The EcoNet person,
on a Mac, saves their MS Word doc as an MS Works for PC file, uploads to
to our system, emails to Bitnet. Our email software converts this file
to ascii for the transfer. The recipient on bitnet downloads the ascii-ized
file, runs atob.exe, and everything's fine.

How do we do this in reverse?

Specifically, is there an "atob" utility for macintosh??

"archie atob" was not particularly helpful.

Thanks,
	-andrew <awaegel@igc.org>
From: bo550@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Beaven-Leibow)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: looking for an NFS client for the MAC
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:59:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr7.155925.12111
Reply-To: leibow@csn.ia.com (Michael Leibow)
Organization: Information Associates


Hi,

somebody at our site just bought a 3com card that came with NCSA/telnet.
She'd also like to use her MAC to share files with the rest of us who are
using workstations (Sun 4, Sun 3, DEC 3100, RS/6000) and PC's (PC/TCP).

Is there a freely distributable implementation of NFS (client) for the MAC,
or an inexpensive implementation that works with MAC TCP.

Thanks,

	--Mike Leibow
	leibow@csn.ia.com
-- 
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leibow@csn.ia.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.sys.mac.misc
From: jxs18@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry Sy)
Subject: how to get files from ftp sites w/o ftp
Reply-To: jxs18@po.CWRU.Edu (Jerry Sy)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 13:09:47 GMT


is it possible to get files from ftp sites like sumex, without using
ftp ?  e.g. sending an email request and file (in hqx form) is emailed
back.  if so, how (i.e. what address/username to send request to?)

please email responses.

thanks

jerry
From: abbey1@husc9.harvard.edu (Joshua Abbey)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Un-uuencoding files on a Macintosh
Keywords: Macintosh decode decompress uuencode uudecode
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:42:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1992Apr6.134225.10769
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr5.021418.1291@gagme.chi.il.us> jasonl@gagme.chi.il.us (Jason Lindquist) writes:
>I've gotten a hold of some files off the net in the uuencode
>format.  Problem is, I'm not running on a direct internet
>connection- this is a remote modem connect from a Mac.  I
>would really rather not waste my site's processor time to
>unencode this stuff (It's rather large).  I'd like to do it
>from home on the ol' IIsi.  Is there a Mac application which
>will handle uuencoded files?  If so, where can I get it?
>
>Thanks!
>
>-- 
>Jason  A. Lindquist           |  "Knight jumps Queen!  Bishop jumps Queen!  Rook
>                              |   jumps Queen!  Everybody jumps Queen!"
>jasonl@gagme.chi.il.us        |              


	There are a few...most natable is UUtool which is available at
	sumex, umich, rascal, and numerous other archives.  If you can't
	find it, drop me a line, and I'll send you a copy.

						-Josh
						abbey1@husc.harvard.edu

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From: mlwiese@mit.edu (Mike Wiese)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Apple Talk Remote vs. Noise?
Date: 17 Apr 92 00:11:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: athena.1992Apr17.001109.12572
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2

Telephones were invented in Boston. As a result the Boston area has some
of the oldest phone lines in the world, and line noise can be really bad,
especially on rainy days. I've seen spurious characters at 2400 bps with
lots of different modems.

So what I'd like to know is: Will ARA work if I write a CCL that lets my
V.32bis modem make a "reliable" connection? Reliable mode is much less
susceptible to losing carrier due to a bad connection, accidentally
picking up an extension, etc. I can turn off compression since it won't
do any good anyway, but it is very annoying to have ARA hang up on me
randomly. Of course, it might just be a bug in ARA or my CCL, not a
problem with line noise.

Mike Wiese
MIT Information Systems
From: ryan@netcom.com (Ryan Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Multitasking problems with Zterm?
Date: 17 Apr 92 02:07:26 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)


I use Zterm with a T3000 and a HST DS. Regardless of the baud interface,
I have the following problem. Whenever I switch out of Zterm (into any
other app), my cps rate drops by about 30% and I get an average of one
Data CRC error every 10-15 seconds. Switching back into Zterm will correct
the problem immediately. This is obviously not related to another program
hogging the CPU time, as I can switch into any application, do nothing
and watch my CPS rates decline. This has happened in version .85 too, but
I seem to remember a time when this was not a problem.

It really makes things a pain, since I have two modems, two lines, and
two sets of zterm, so I like to call out on the other line while transferring
a file on one. But with so many errors, it's difficult to do this.

Any ideas on what's wrong here - or is Zterm just not evolved in the area
of multitasking?
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: babb@ucselx.sdsu.edu (babb j)
Subject: EtherTalk <-Router-> LocalTalk  ARG!
Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:40:25 GMT

Hi All,
 We've got a macIIfx running system 7, with MacTCP 1.1, EtherTalk
Phase 2 ver. 2.2.1, LocalTalk 2.0, Router 2.0, DeskWriter AT 2.2,
and the Network Cdev that came with System 7.
Our problem is that we can't print on the DeskWriter via LocalTalk.
 When we choose the network Cdev and try
to go from EtherTalk to LocalTalk, it sez:"AppleTalk
currently in use, cannot be changed at this time", which is funny (NOT)
because, we can't see a local LocalTalk zone. I was under the impression that
Router would let my cohorts across campus see my DeskWriter and print to it.
I don't know why I can't print to it by disabling EtherTalk, and/or why
I can't disable EtherTalk in the 1st place. Addl info: under the chooser with
EtherTalk enabled, we see all the AppleTalk zones on campus just fine.
Servers and printers aboud.
The EtherNet card is an Asante MacCon+ IIET with the latest driver 3.32.

advaTHANKSnce, Jeff.
babb@ucsvax.sdsu.edu

-- 
Jeff Babb - Programmer/Technical Support - San Diego State University
Language Acquisition Resource Center (L.A.R.C.) (619)594-4475 
babb@ucsvax.sdsu.edu  
.."now go away or I shall taunt you a second time" M.P.& T.H.G.
From: bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: using a 386 as a server
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:32:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: chaos.bill.703333962
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

zkessin@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Zachary 'Lego' Kessin) writes:

>We are trying to get a 386 to act as a file/print server over appletalk
>(phone-net). We have the phonenet PC card and the workstation
>software, so we can use the 386 to get files from a mac under system
>7. But we want to be able to use the 386 as the file server and the
>mac as the client. 

>thanks in advance!

try tops from sitka
--
bill@chaos.cs.umn.edu
From: nin15b43@merrimack.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: opening tar.Z files
Date: 9 Apr 92 02:57:34 GMT
Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA

In article <199204080900.AA23092@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, gaylord@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU writes:
> i have tried opening tar.Z. files that i have ftp'ed to my Mac but nothing
> will open them (CompactPro, UnStuffIt, DiskDoubler don't work).
> 
> what commercial or shareware or freeware do i need to be able to uncompress
> and open these types of files? 
> 
> and finally, when i do open them, will they be readable?
> 
> thanks for whatever info i receive.

To answer the first question last, yes, they will be readable, assuming
they are plain text files, files with known format, or Macintosh
applications.  I say this only because neither of these is a "common"
compression method for the Macintosh.

Now, as to the rest:

   MacCompress can convert the .Z part of the file back to a .tar file.
     The most recent version I've seen is 3.2, although its been a while
     since I have checked.

   Tar can then open the .tar file resulting from the above step.  It
     too is in the v3.x range.  The resultant file(s) should now be
     readable/runnable on your Mac.

   Both programs are available at most popular Mac archive sites, such as
     sumex-aim.stanford.edu or mac.archive.umich.edu, in the compression
     subdirectories.

Hope this helps.

Mark
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From: stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Char Aznabul)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: opening tar.Z files
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:09:20 GMT
Distribution: na

gaylord@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU writes
+ i have tried opening tar.Z. files that i have ftp'ed to my Mac but nothing
+ will open them (CompactPro, UnStuffIt, DiskDoubler don't work).
+ 
+ what commercial or shareware or freeware do i need to be able to uncompress
+ and open these types of files? 

Get tickle. I don't know where it's at, but it handles .tar.Z files. Check
it with archie...

+ and finally, when i do open them, will they be readable?

Depends on what's in 'em. Probably just text files (like source code),
in which case you can. If they're some sort of binary files - don't bet
on it.

James
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: pkor@phoenix.oulu.fi (Pasi Korhonen)
Subject: Zmodem 3.14 stopped working ?
Organization: Ripoff Industries
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 20:46:32 GMT

 hello fellow netters !!

Zmodem downloads stopped working mysteriously. When I try to start, it takes
couple of seconds and my term prog says : sending cancel, and aborts.
I'm not completely sure if this is from the change of sz version round here.
After troubles I checked and it was 3.14. Now it's 3.17 and it does not work
either. I heard something about changes in sz. Anybody got any info.
I use an SE 4/40, sys 6.0.7., MicroPhone II 3.0. Tried with Zterm .85, no
success. Tried to ask local administrator, he said that it works with his
PC and the latest zmodem for PC. Argghh. Any suggestions ?


	Pasi

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Saaristonkatu 3 A 6                                 ar660@cleveland.freenet.edu
90100 Oulu		                                 pkorhone@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: Mike_Steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Hermes?!  Yech.  WWIV me baby.
Date: 8 Apr 92 18:11:21 GMT
Organization: Claris Corporation

In article <1992Apr8.011134.14597@news.iastate.edu>, taby7@isuvax.iastate.edu (Felix The Cat) writes:
> 
> Wondering if anyone out there knows where I can purchase me a copy of mac WWIV. 
> I don't like Hermes, especially this 30 day expiration 75 dollars or die
> policy.  
> (Felix<>Tom)

WWIV for the Mac was written by Terry Teague, who live in Mountain View, Calif.
You can reach him at the Sunnyvale Fido Connection BBS at (408) 738-1119.
If you have access to a Fidonet BBS and can send netmail, you can send
him netmail at 143.207.  He usually logs on only on weekends, so it might take
up to a week to get an answer from him, depending upon when your message gets
to the BBS.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: mdavis@crash.cts.com (Morgan Davis)
Subject: Re: SupraFAXModem v.32bis experiences
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 21:14:57 GMT

In <1992Apr6.185431.23984@menudo.uh.edu> arch1l@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:

>I'm considering purchasing the SupraFAXModem v.32bis from Mac's Place for
>$378.00. Has anyone had any positive/negative experiences with this
>fax/modem?

We've been testing production units for a couple of weeks now and we've
found some problems that are consistent among three units.  (We've
also been in contact with Supra about this and hoped to get a solution
from them, but it appears that a ROM upgrade is going to be needed).

This probably won't affect Mac users since hardly any terminal
software follows data carrier detect, but the modem will drop DCD
assertion while it returns a "NO CARRIER" message after it loses a
link.  This is not good, and Supra says a ROM upgrade will fix this.

At random, the modem will stop asserting DCD while still maintaining a
link with a remote modem.  For software that follows DCD (this
includes almost every computer except the Mac), this would instate
utter confusion.  The DCD loss is not transient -- it goes low and
stays low until you send a AT&C1 command from command mode, or drop
the connection and reconnect.  But that's unacceptable.  Supra says
they've received reports on this only from Apple IIGS or Mac users,
however.

We've also noticed some errors in the manual that required a few calls
to Supra.  The digital result 14 is actually "CONNECT 14400", not
"CONNECT 19200" (as it probably should be as I know of no serial port
that provides a 14,400bps speed).

Otherwise, the modem seems to perform pretty good.  I keep hearing
that it has trouble recognizing busy signals, but we didn't have that
trouble.  In any case, I would wait for the next ROM revision before
investing in one.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: ken@cujo.curtin.edu.au (Ken Taylor)
Subject: Re: Un-uuencoding files on a Macintosh
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:34:18 GMT

There is a program called UUTool (currently at 2.0.8) which does a good job
and is available from info-mac at sumex-aim..

If you can't ftp, let me know and I'll mail it to you..

Ken
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From: pkz0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PETER K. ZEITLER)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Telpass--Where?
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:26:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.1992Apr13.132627.3478
Organization: Lehigh University

Could someone lend me a hand and tell me where I might find Telpass (I think
that's the name of the application--it's the app that in conjunction with NCSA
Telnet allows you to password-protect your mac). Thanks.

Peter Zeitler
pkz0@lehigh.edu
Earth and Environmental Sciences
Lehigh University
Bethlehem, PA 18015
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm