HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis )
Subject: Re: Speaking of democracy...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 06:01:24 GMT

sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:

>In article <BvEItt.K3K@news.cso.uiuc.edu> varnavas@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (varnavas constantine) writes:

>>In my opinion it is a sign of democracy for people to disagree - even about
>>what democracy is.  To condemn the spectrum of opinions as "misinterpretations"
>>it is certainly not democratic.  Polyphony is the cornerstone of democracy.

>Without realizing it, we fill important places in each other's lives.
>As for democracy, had democracy really been an inherent virtue of the 
>Greeks would it have dragged its feet for so long to come to Greece? 

 Yes, we know the reason.  We are thankful for 400 years of slavery
 under the barbarian empire of the Ottomams.  You should have known
 the answer to this question.

>Serdar Argic
From: TEX5HAD@CMS1.LEEDS.AC.UK (Haluk DEMIRBAG)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: NO MORE SEX LINES FOR TURKS
Date: 1 Oct 1992 23:23:34 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

NO MORE SEX LINES FOR TURKS

Erotic telephone services, known as adult-entertainment telephone
lines, are to  be pulled out in Turkey now  because - seven month
after  they were  set  up -  they are  considered  to insult  the
public. The sex lines with names  such as "Turn off the Lamp" and
"Tales  from under  the Sheets"  were set  up by  State telephone
monopoly,  PTT. It  was  Turkey's first  dial-data service  which
earned L 15  million pulling in 60,000 calls  daily. Yasar Topcu,
the  Transport Minister,  said "these  erotic services  encourage
immoral sexual behaviour among young people".

Q News, 31 July 1992

GENCLERIN YUZDE 80'INDEN "ALO SEKS" YASAGINA ONAY

Istanbul (Hurriyet)

Genc nufusun yuzde 80'inin, cinsel hikayelerin anlatildigi 900'lu
telefon  servislerinin Ulastirma  Bakani  Yasar Topcu  tarafindan
kapatilmasini onayladigi bildirildi.  PIAR'in yaptigi arastirmaya
katilanlarin   yuzde  75'i   de,  "Yasaklama   karari,  hukumetin
demokrasi  politikasi  ile  celisen  bir  karar  degil"  gorusunu
savundu.

Adana, Ankara,  Bursa, Edirne, Eskisehir, Icel,  Istanbul, Izmir,
Konya, Manisa,  Samsun ve Zonguldak'ta, 12-24  yaslari arasindaki
1007,  25   yas  uzerinde   2013  kisi  (980'i   bayan)  uzerinde
gerceklestirilen arastirmada, "Alo Seks" yasagi icin genc nufusun
yuzde  80'i, yetiskinlerin de yuzde  90'i olumlu  gorus bildirdi.
PIAR-  GALLUP'un  PTT  icin   yaptigi  arastirmaya  gore,  cinsel
hikayelerin anlatildigi 900'lu  servislerin, oncelikle cocuklarin
ahlakini bozdugu, aile butcesine gereksiz bir yuk getirdigi ve bu
servislerin  orf  ve  adetlerimize aykiri  oldugu  gerekcesi  ile
istenmedigi  ortaya cikti.  PIAR-GALLUP  arastirmasina gore,  ALO
SEKS'i dinleme orani da zaten cok yuksek degildi.

Hurriyet, 1 Agustos 1992
            _
|-| /-\ |_ |_| |< ["Turkey has become the key power in the
                   Caucasus, in respect even to Russia"
                   Former Senior CIA Analyst, Graham Fuller]
From: Serkan.Bektas@dartmouth.edu (Serkan Bektas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Stanford and Northwestern E-Mail node addresses
Date: 30 Sep 92 13:59:57 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

I need to contact some people in Stanford and Northwestern Business
Schools. Can you please provide me the node addresses for these if you
have them? 

I can be reached by e-mail at serkan.bektas@dartmouth.edu

Thanks

Serkan Bektas
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: trh@jack.sns.COM ((Al Trh))
Subject: Re: Voice of Turkey
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BITNET@OHSTVMA.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:22:38 GMT

Haluk arkadasin gonderdigi yazi uzerine bir kac uyemiz "Voice of Turkey"
adli televizyon yayinalri hakkinda bilgi istediler:

Bu yayinalri yapan hanim bir zamanlar "the Turkish Times"'da ilan verirdi.
Bu gazetenin son sayilarinda ilana rastlamadik ama gazetenin hala yayinalri
yapani bildigi kanisindatiz.

Daha fazla bilgi icin belki bu gazeteye basvurulabilir, yayinlari yapan
hanimin telefonu adresi ogrenilebilir.

Gazetenin telefonu: (202) 232 1833

trknws-l uyeleri arasinda bu konuda bilgisi olanlari bize yazarlarsa
bunlari da sizlere iletebiliriz.

Bize yazi gonderecek olanlar trh@mcimail.com adresine, bir kopyasinida
trh@jack.sns.com adresine gonderebilirler.

AToprak
From: buyuk@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Mert Buyukyazgan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Turkish Soccer Results 5th Round
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:21:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Sep28.133949.3972@gvl.unisys.com> armagan@prc.unisys.com writes:
>Asagidaki detaylar Turkiye'nin sesi radyosu Spor Dergisi programindan
>alinmistir:
>
>Carsamba gunu Avrupa ve Balkan kupalarinda oynayacak ekiplerimiz maclarini
>Cumartesi gunu oynamislar:
>
>
>|> Besiktas-Sariyer:4-0
>
>Besiktas Sariyer maci ile yeniden eski gunlerine dondu, ve boylece
>Carsamba gunu oynanacak kritik Goteborg maci icin moral buldu deniyor.
>Lig basladigindan beri oldukca tutuk gozuken Besiktas ilk defa bu macta
>tum hatlari ile etkili olmus. Oyunun hemen basinda attigi 2 golle erken
>galibiyete ulasan Besiktas her gecen dakika daha iyi oynamaya baslamis
>ve boylece Besiktas bir kez daha gosterdiki, eger macta erken galibiyete
>ulasirsa cok daha iyi ve kontrollu oynuyor. Mrkela'nin soldan, B. Metin'in
>ise sagdan cikardigi toplarla hucumda cok etkil olan Besiktas'da Feyyaz'in
>da bu sezon tum futbol hayatinin formunun zirvesinde oldugu soyleniyor.
>

Ancak ne yazik ki spiker Besiktas'in gollerini kimin attigini soylemedi.

Sirasi belirsiz olmak uzere, Feyyaz(2), Metin ve Mehmet....

Mert
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: yamen@cae.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: manas
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:07:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: doug.1992Sep28.120731.23428
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

Chinghiz Aitmatov is a noted Kirghiz fiction writer, public activist
and organizer of the Issyk-Kul Forum. The excerpt below is taken
from the essay "He knows a million lines" [He refers to great
epic narrator Sayakbai Karalayev].

[.....]

For more than three decades Kirghiz scholars have been recording
and systematizing the ancient heroic epic "Manas". As one leafs
throughout the abridged four-volume version today, one wonders how a 
people who had no written language could manage to preserve such 
a mammoth poetic epic throughout the centuries.

The Kirghiz are one of the most ancient peoples Central Asia, who 
have reached an exceptional high level of epic culture over the
many centuries of their history. The prolonged existence of a nomad
people in very specific historical conditions coupled with great
poetic talent led to the emergence and development of the oral epic
genre. The Kirghiz put into their epics what many other peoples
depicted in historical narrations, in literature, theater, painting
and sculpture.

[ .... ]

The epic "Manas" is like an ocean. In length, it exceeds all other
epics known to the world. There are eleven versions of "Manas", some
of which number over 700,000 rhymed lines. [ who can remember that?!]
In terms of the wide range of phenomena in life that Manas embraces,
it holds a leading place among the world's epics. Its chief theme is
the struggle of the Kirghiz people against foreign invaders, and it
glorifies the legendary strong man, "Manas", who rallied together the
disjoint Kirghiz tribes. But along with the heroic battle scenes, much
attention in the epic is devoted to various everyday aspects of human
life. [I think that is true for almost every heroic epic.] The artistic
and informative ranges of Manas are amazingly broad and varied. It 
includes lyrical, social and moral themes as well as the the knowledge
of the ancient Kirghiz possessed in geography, medicine, architecture,
astronomy and warfare. [...]

[...]

In our time "Manas" is living a second life in the form of books, operas
and other stage performances, and Kirghiz filmmakers are preparing to
make a film based on the epic.
From: Guven.Guzeldere%STANFORD.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU (hq.ggg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: (none)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 22:30:17 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: Turkish Cultural Program List <TRKNWS-L%USCVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Mon Oct 05, 1992  9:15 am  EST


I.Turkiye Ligi 6. hafta toplu sonuclari:

Ankaragucu 0 - Kocaeli 3
Altay 0 - Fenerbahce 1
Aydin 0 - Bursa 1
Bakirkoy 0 - Kayseri 0
G.Antep 1 - Karsiyaka 0
Sariyer 1 - Genclerbirligi 1
Konya 2 - Besiktas 2
Galatasaray 1 - Trabzon 1


Erhan
AEMBBU@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
Subject: Re: Accident in Agean Sea
Originator: senel@irlsp
Organization: Insulting, Ridiculing, Forwarding Inc.
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 04:28:53 GMT

>
>       According to the Buffalo News, the Turkish ship is a Destroyer
>  that was built in the United States during WWII.  Many NATO members
>  who operate in that area (the accident occur 80 miles west of Izmir)
>  have outdated equipment and have complained about the poor quality of
>  equipment and communications.
>
>       The USS Saratoga was about three miles away when they had fired 
>  upon the Turkish ship. 

Mr. Dinos,

   Could you please explain a bit about BUFFALO news? Is that the
newsagency where all the employees are buffalos or all the news are
written on buffalo skins, etc. just kidding.. 

   Anyway, this accident (or negligence) cost 5 lives. That ship was the 
first destroyer hit by an anti-craft missile in the history. I hope 
this kind of accidents never happen again. 

Hakan
-- 
___
God made the Idiot for practice, and then He saw that Asbest Bedrossian 
was born. He said "well, this seems pretty coooool."  -Hakan Senel 1992 
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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The Armenian genocide of the Turkish people in "World Alive."
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 21:47:45 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <38656@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> hminassi@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (GOTCHA!) writes:

>    Hey guys! Guess what, I have a surprise for you!
>yep, you guessed it, an Armenian channel has been started
>on IRC.  IRC is a chat network which includes interesting

Who cares? The truth needs to be told over and over again. There are 
Armenians who of course do know the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million 
Muslims between 1914-1920 but their voices of truth are suppressed 
today in the hollow din of the well-orchestrated anti-Turkish campaign
by the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism Triangle. 

Source: "World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn. Crown Publishers, 
Inc., New York (1952), p. 361 (seventh paragraph) and p. 362 (first paragraph).

 'The most are inside houses. Come you and look.'
 'No, dammit! My stomach isn't-'
 'One is a Turkish officer in uniform. Him you must see.'
 "We were under those trees by the mosque, in an open space....
 'I don't believe you," I said, but followed to a nail-studded door. The man
  pushed it ajar, then spurred away, leaving me to check on the corpse. I
  thought I should, this charge was so constant, so gritted my teeth and went
  inside.

 The place was cool but reeked of sodden ashes, and was dark at first, for its 
 stone walls had only window slits. Rags strewed the mud floor around an iron
 tripod over embers that vented their smoke through roof beams black with soot.
 All looked bare and empty, but in an inner room flies buzzed. As the door
 swung shut behind me I saw they came from a man's body lying face up, naked
 but for its grimy turban. He was about fifty years old by what was left of
 his face - a rifle butt had bashed an eye. The one left slanted, as with 
 Tartars rather than with Turks. Any uniform once on him was gone, so I'd
 no proof which he was, and quickly went out, gagging at the mess of his  
 slashed genitals."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

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From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.history
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: The massacres of the Muslim people by the Greeks.
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 21:13:31 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <BvGorF.GIt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:

>     This is your imagination.  You have been reading too much M.U.T.L.U.
>     in the network.  Limit your imagination.

So, the Greek educational system is also in a shambles, 'tamtam.'
History shows that within the last 170 years, Greeks played that 
game twice: They used Istanbul Patriarch Grigorios in 1822 to 
instigate the Morea rebellion that resulted in the massacres of 
the Muslim people. Again, the Orthodox Patriarch Constantine V 
invited the Russian Czar Nicholas II to invade the Ottoman Empire 
'in the name of Jesus,' and save his flock from Ottoman rule. 

Source: "The 'Past' in Medieval and Modern Greek Culture," in Speros
         Vryonis, ed., 'Byzantina kai Metabyzantina,' Vol I (Malibu,
         Calif., 1978).

p. 161.

In the words of Professor Skiotis, "With savage jubilance, [the Greeks]
sang the words 'Let no Turk remain in the Morea, nor in the whole world.'
The Greeks were determined to achieve to 'Romaiko' in the only way they
knew how: through a war of religious extermination."

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)
From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)
Subject: Re: yet another test...
Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 21:02:18 GMT
X-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <9209262125.AA11013@izmir.tmfu.edu.tr> kaymisrg@izmir.tmfu.EDU.TR (Resit Guner Kaymis) writes:
>test, pleeze do not panic...

I noticed this post from izmir.tmfu.edu.tr .  Is this forged, or has
Turkey finally received an internet feed?  I doubt the second since the
.edu domain is only used in the US as far as I know.   BTW, I heard that
Turkey was going to get an internet feed.  Does anybody know when and
from where?  Bulgaria or Russia?

Deniz Akkus deniz@ctr.columbia.edu



Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: hayyoz@ee.metuk.EDU.TR ( <hayyoz@ee.metuk.edu.tr> )
Subject: Soc.Culture.Turkish FAQ ???
Keywords: none
Organization: Electrical Engineering Department, METUK, Ankara, Turkey
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 23:20:21 GMT

Selamlar,

bu grubun FAQ'i var mi? Nereden temin edebilirim?

tesekkurler...
                                        -Hayrinusa
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
From: ertas@athena.mit.edu (Mehmet D Ertas)
Subject: Re: Tragedy in Ege
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:41:17 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.134504.16785@walter.bellcore.com>, cza@troy.uucp (C. Akgun) writes:
|> In article <2OCT199206565720@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> scgeoff@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (GEOFF ELLIOTT) writes:
|> >
|> >My heartfelt sympathies to Turkiye and the families of the dead sailors
|> >killed yesterday in the Ege by two missiles from the USS Saratoga.  How
|> >something like that could happen is beyond belief.  I sincerely hope that
|> >if it was human error that the person is strongly punished.
|> >
|> >As an American who is married to a Turk, I feel the sorrow even more.
|> >
|> >Eniste
|> >
|> >
|> 
|> What is wrong with the U.S. Navy in these days?  Since they
|> could not have their tail-hook party this year in the USA, 
|> it seems like they took it over the Ege (Agean sea) last night.
|> I heard 5 dead, 4 missing, and a heavyly demaged Turkish
|> Destroyer (some destroyer) called Muavet which is now being towed 
|> to a Turkish port. 
|> 
|> GEOFF's heart felt sorrow is nice.  However, Turkish
|> goverment must ask a formal appology from the US and full
|> cooperation to heal the wounds of such mistake rather
|> than pussyfooting around this issue.
|> 
|> C. Akgun

This morning, on BBC  News, I've heard that the Head of NATO and the
captain of Saratoga had already
apologized for the incident. I hope too that US will put an effort 
to heal the wounds as much as they would if the victims were American.
Looks like the NAVY really needs a shake-up.

Deniz Ertas

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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 6 Oct 1992 23:09:43 CDT
From: <U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Rape of Muslim Women

Subject: Rape of Muslim Women

From: BOSNET@math.msu.edu (Bosnian Electronic Network)
Organization: BOSNET (Bosnian Electronic Network)

Contribution by: SII


ALLEGATIONS OF SYSTEMATIC ASSAULTS ON MUSLIM WOMEN.  Western news
agencies on 2 October quoted Bosnian Serbian leaders as denying
recent media reports that their fighters are systematically raping
Muslim women, and military liaison officer Momo Starcevic promised
to punish any guilty parties.  On 25 September the Zagreb weekly
Globus reported on a particular incident in which 40 Muslim young
women from one village said they had been gang-raped by Serbs over
a period of several days. One of the men told them it was part of
a policy to wipe out the Muslim nation.  Globus further reported
that a team of UN gynecologists examined the women, confirmed
their stories, and concluded that such mistreatment appears to be
a "war strategy . . . [ordered] from the top." The story was not
corroborated, however.  (Patrick Moore, RFE/RL, Inc.)
From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.europe,soc.rights.human
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: "Destroying Ethnic Identity: Turks of Greece."
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 17:46:09 EDT
Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)
Distribution: world

In article <6408.3248.uupcb@factory.com> michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos)  writes:

> Moslems have teir own schools (or they can attend the Greek schools if
>they prefer). The greek government pays money every year to purchause
>school books from Turkey, so as to implement a curriculum that is
>similar to that of Turkey. There is no treaty that obliges Greece to do

As usual, it is a blatant lie. The longstanding use of the adjective 
'Turkish' in titles and on signboards is prohibited. The Greek courts 
have ordered the closure of the Turkish Teachers' Association, the 
Komotini Turkish Youth Association and the Ksanti Turkish Association 
on grounds that there are no Turks in Western Thrace. Such community 
associations had been active until 1984. But they were first told to 
remove the word 'Turkish' on their buildings and on their official
papers and then eventually close down. This is also the final verdict 
(November 4, 1987) of the Greek High Court.

There is more. Sidiropoulos, the president of the Macedonian Human 
Rights Committee, became the latest victim of a tactic long used by 
the Greeks to silence critics of policies of forced assimilation 
of the Macedonian minority. A forestry official by occupation, 
Sidiropoulos has been sent to 'internal exile' on the island of 
Kefalonia, hundreds of kilometers away from his native Florina. 
His employer, the Florina City Council, asked him to depart in 
24 hours. The Greek authorities are trying to punish him for his 
involvement in Copenhagen. He returned to Florina by his own choice 
and remains without a job. 

Helsinki Watch, a well-known Human Rights group, had been investigating 
the plight of the Turkish Minority in Greece. In August 1990, their 
findings were published in a report titled 

 'Destroying Ethnic Identity: Turks of Greece.'

The report confirmed gross violations of the Human Rights of the 
Turkish minority by the Greek authorities. It says for instance, 
the Greek government recently destroyed an Islamic convent in 
Komotini. Such destruction, which reflects an attitude against 
the Muslim Turkish cultural heritage, is a violation of the 
Lausanne Convention. 

The Turkish cemeteries in the village of Vafeika and in Pinarlik
were attacked, and tombstones were broken. The cemetery in
Karotas was razed by bulldozers.

Serdar Argic

                     'This war quickly developed into one of extermination. 
                      We closed the roads and mountain passes that might 
                      serve as ways of escape for the Tartars [Turks] and 
                      then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
                                                       (Ohanus Appressian)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.soviet,talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.jewish
From: asbed@sol.usc.edu (Asbed Bedrossian)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Armenian Channel On IRC
Date: 28 Sep 92 21:43:05 GMT
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.usc.edu

In article <Bv8xov.Isy@vuse.vanderbilt.edu> senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan) writes:
> > From: hminassi@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (GOTCHA!)
>
>Oh Helgge, I am so happy. Is it true that there is a separate Armenian
>channel on IRC? Oh my goodness, that's great. Then go there and wait for
>us, we will join soon.
>C U there, don't forget to wait for us. he he he he 
>Your secret lover Hakan

Here's a good example of how much human and woman rights you have in
Turkey; your right not to suffer harassment, your right to be.

Only in Turkey, they're not so distant; they're right in your face to
shove your differences from them down your throat or up your ^ with a
blowtorch.

>_______________________________________________________
>God made the Idiot for practice, and then He made Hakan
>                -- Mark Twain
>_______________________________________________________

:ll
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From: gma1052@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish
Subject: ABOUT ACCIDENT IN AGEAN SEA
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:48:36 GMT
Reply-To: gma1052@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Montana State University

Please post names of the people killed and wounded in the accident, if 
you can get detailed information. I have friend in Turkish Navy, and worrying
about their situation. 

Kazada olen ve yaralanan butun denizcilerin ailelerine bassagligi, sabir ve
Allahtan rahmet diliyorum.

Ertugrul Akmese
Newsgroups: soc.culture.turkish