HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax)
Subject: Re: Dallas (was Re: Austin, TX joins Colo. Boycott)
Organization: Real/Time Communications
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 23:09:44 GMT

David Casti (dise@decoy.uoregon.edu) wrote:
: In article <1992Dec30.163206.10489@exu.ericsson.se> exukev@exu.ericsson.se  
: (Kevin Autrey) writes:
: > In article <1992Dec30.140427.2820@convex.com> cgraham@convex.com (Chip  
: Graham) writes:
: 
: > >By the way, Dallas is the only major city in Texas to actively persecute
: > > gays. 
: 
: Wait a minute.  I thought Dallas was the city where the police conducted an  
: anit-gaybashing sting operation a few months ago...

Bzzzt.  That was Houston.  A few things worth noting; Dallas uses the
excuses that homosexual sex is against the law in TX from hiring openly
gay cops; none of the other major cities in TX use this excuse.  With
the threat of a lawsuit, the Dallas City Council _still_ decided to
refuse to hire Mica England (a lesbian who wanted to work for DPD).
When a court found in Mica's favor, they continued to fight.  Why?
Who knows - it's Dallas.

A Dallas native...
======================================================================
"For I can see that in the midst of death, Life persists; in the
midst of untruth, Truth persists; in the midst of darkness, Light
persists."
"An eye for an eye will blind the world."
                                      Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
"I'm here, I'm queer, get used to it."
                                                             ME!
lazarus@wixer.cactus.org; Michael Lax, 12514 Esplanade St., #B, 
Austin, TX  78727-4409; 512.837.1596 (h), 512.836.9715 (fax)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes)
Subject: Re: the story ends with a cliff hanger?
Keywords: kidnapping, beards, bikes
Organization: Thinkage Ltd.
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 07:27:48 GMT

In article <1992Dec30.215618.25757@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Dec30.201347.5098@psych.toronto.edu> jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec29.185331.27745@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>>>yes. but the law only allows one passenger. ooooo, i guess i get a non-group
>>>opportunity then! :-) :-)
>>I'll buy one, then.  Raising the ante,
>
>This isn't fair!  You live down the street from Ken!

yes, but there is photographic evidence of you sitting in the DRIVERS seat
of my bike, me as passenger, and that he-man chain around your neck...

-- 
   - Ken Dykes, Thinkage Ltd., Kitchener, Ontario, Canada    [43.47N 80.52W]
         kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca   postmaster@thinkage.com   thinkage!kgdykes
         harley-request@thinkage.on.ca             kgdykes@math.uwaterloo.ca
From: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: GLAAD: 60 Minutes, "Gay Cops" segment
Date: 30 Dec 1992 01:31:55 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: an104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ric Helton)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


60 MINUTES: ABOUT TIME

"Gay Cops" was the lead segment of CBS's _60 Minutes_ recently.
Mike Wallace interviewed several gay and lesbian members of the
San Francisco Police Department, who told stories of fighting
crime -- and homophobia.

_60 Minutes_, always at the top of the ratings, still lags behind
the other network news magazines in its coverage of lesbian and
gay issues. They need to see strong public support for covering
more gay stories in 1993, as well as praise for a job well done.

        Don Hewitt, Executive Producer
        _60 Minutes_
        555 West 57th Street, 9th Floor
        New York, NY 10019

Praise segment producer Lowell Bergman ("Gay Cops") at the same
address.


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: smith_bob_e@tandem.com (Mod Bob)
Subject: Re: The Foreskin-Impaired (was Re: Drooling over...)
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Tandem
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:02:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.182651.5215@spdcc.com>, joe@spdcc.com (Joseph
Francis) wrote:

[lots of fun technique discussion deleted]

> -joe, who is working on his new book "All I know about sex I learned
> in the boy scouts" <ahem>
> 
> 
> -- 
> US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.

Got it filed away for future submission to the Boy Scouts...do you think
it should be an appendix to the Boy Scout Manual, or should there be a
merit badge associated with acquiring these skills?

                                        Bob, a Boy Scout of a different
sort
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ageism
Date: 23 Dec 92 19:21:50 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Dec23.165203.58966@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>,
dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY) wrote:

> Judging from such things as Greco-Roman statuary, Michelangelo's David,
> Shakespeare, and lots of other stuff, this idolization of the young male has
> been going on in Western Art LONG time, and not just in gay culture.

There is, however, a somewhat distressing tendency for some gay
'literature' to go to great lengths to stress that the models
all *really* *are* over 18; but, none of the *look* like they're
over 18.  The teenager as sex-object is easy enough to understand,
and I don't think it constitutes 'pedophelia' (which I see
as being sex with *children* - as in, under 12); but, there is
something a little disturbing, to me, in the need this 'literature'
seems to have for 'pretending' that it is showing underage sex.

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Why not cure homosexuality?
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:56:01 GMT

dauber@tattoo.mti.sgi.com (Jeff Dauber) wrote: 
->Line of the weekend:
->
->Bigotry is so stupid.  Why hate people as a group when there
->are perfectly good reasons to hate people on an individual basis?

those who know me know that i live quite successfully by this rule.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
From: meggert@hto-06.usc.edu (Mark Eggert)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: David and Jonathan in the book of Samuel
Date: 28 Dec 1992 09:36:08 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: hto-06.usc.edu

  Some people in LA have written a rock musical about the relationship of
David and Jonathan in Samuel called "Blind Faith". They've tried for years to
get it produced. I saw a reading with singing and dialogue but no sets. It
could be a good show.
  One of Blind Faith's highlights is a love trio with David, Jonathan and
the woman to whom David is promised. The woman is portrayed as loving David
while understanding that he is in love with Jonathan.
  The most-problematic song is the outrageous cut-off-their-foreskins
production number! I wonder what happened to the script...
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: zwicky@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Arnold Zwicky)
Subject: marking soc.motss as read
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: warning to users
Organization: stanford, lsa, outil, osu,...
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:42:28 GMT

in article <1992Dec23.113314.5184@panix.com> mara@panix.com (mara
chibnik) responds to bcapps@agora.rain.com (brent capps)'s having
admitted that

    >>One time I was behind by *4000*
    >>messages and just had to mark them all read.

by declaring that

  >Here is clear evidence of insufficient devotion.  If there were a
  >cabal it would have to address this matter.

it is a little-known fact about usenet that when a user exercises
the 'c' option for soc.motss a program automatically causes small
amounts of anerotic pheromone to exude from the keyboard onto the
hapless user's fingers.  this pheromone makes the victim sexually
unattractive to members of the appropriate sex(es) for up to a month;
attempts to wash off the substance only make things worse, since
the fatty components in soaps interact with it so as to heighten
its effects and lengthen its effective period.  (so if you've been
silly enough to mark all of soc.motss as read, you should at least
keep your hands dirty.  this is known to medical professionals
as the 'main sale syndrome'; through a vulgar misappehension, some
users have taken to messing about in boats, department stores, and/or
the northeast corner of the u.s.  these actions, though harmless
in themselves, are of no use whatsoever against anerotism.)

your cabal in action.

you have been WARNED.

arnold (still unpacking po...err...boxes in palo alto)
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ageism
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:24:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec23.212429.7504
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

While I agree with most of what you are saying, I have to ask about this:

In article <72260@cup.portal.com> elc@cup.portal.com (Edward L Cole) writes:
>The overwhelming presence of pedophilia (even when their over 18
>the motivation for them is the same) has become institutionalized.

I don't see how you can equate paedophilia, the desire to have sex
with children, with being interested in people who are "young". Most
of the erotic images I see in gay male culture are people who look to
be between 17 and 27. This is not what a reasonable person would call
paedophilia, is it?
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/        You stupid vulgar greedy ugly American death sucker
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: PHOBE ALERT: Letter to SF Examiner
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:22:59 GMT

rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) wrote: 
->
->A letter-to-the-editor in yesterday's (12/29/92) San
->Francisco Examiner, from one Charles D. Friedenstein of
->Colorado Springs.  Read on if Newspeak and Doublethink
->are your cup of tea...
->

you know, i read this letter on the way into work this morning and i
didn't think this person was 'phobic at all ... just pathetic.

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Marky M. and Vanity Fair
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 21:59:36 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

I must say, rahly I must, that I had picked up a copy of Vanity
Fair by mistake.  It had this blonde bimbette in a rather gaudy
gown, with hideously fake make-up washed all over her face (and
*this* woman is supposed to replace Grace Kelly?  Please...) -
I thought it was Vogue.  And typically, I pick up a copy of Vogue
when I'm about to grab a bite to eat (unless it's the kind that
bites back...), so I can thumb through and look at the pretty 
pictures and not be bothered with any actual content.

But, as I've already mentioned, I picked up Vanity Fair instead.

I must say, if this issue is typical - fuck the New Yorker.  VF
is the best magazine in the English language.  Articles:  Murder
of Petra Kelly; murder of the Romanov czars; rise and fall of
Hollwood super-agents; Ivan Boesky in exile; German super-model
wannabe Princess Grace - AND....


Marky Mark.

In the best picture I have ever seen of him.  Marky fans should
buy this magazine for that shot alone (Marky in a white robe,
cute little baseball cap, sitting on a white bed with chest
exposed.  The baseball cap is black, and a black lab is also
on the bed.  Shades of Madonna? - who was it that said Marky was
releasing his own SEX book?).

There is also an interview - which is completely out-of-place
with the rest of the articles - in which Marky answers the
question:  Marky Mark is a bisexual...  False.  He also gives
his schpeil on how it's cool and all if gay men are into him,
and if he's the poster-boy of the gay community.  Then the
interviewer asks him to get down and give him fifty push-ups.

A pity THAT wasn't photographed.

*X*
(to be fair to the New Yorker - it's great if one's literary
tastes are to the artsy-fartsy; or, if one is actually interested
in what goes on in the Big Apple - which I, living in the cultural
center of North America (Ithaca, Pittsburg, and NY be damned...),
am not)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Re: Poinsettias
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 00:18:30 GMT

In article <BzzM7I.D2I@agora.rain.com> bcapps@agora.rain.com (Brent Capps) writes:
>What I want to know is, what do other people do with these tacky
>Poinsettias after the holidays are over?  My husband bought about
>a dozen of the damned things, and they never have the good manners to
>die promptly at 9 am on Jan. 2.  My problem is, I can't kill *any*
>houseplant without feeling extremely guilty, but I don't want the
>things around as they're highly poisonous to cats (hmmm...maybe
>I should give them to Jack Hamilton).

Jack should be arriving in Toronto in about 5 hours.  If he has any
such vegetation upon his person, the surplus cruise missile my mother
bought at K-Mart and gave to me for Christmas will find a use.

Brian
-- 

Brian A. Jarvis,          Rm. 4026, Sidney Smith Hall, Dept. of Psychology,
jarvis@psych.toronto.edu  University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
System Administrator      M5S 1A1  (416) 978-3948
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
Date: 30 Dec 92 19:32:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Dec30.193258.17967
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Dec30.105324.25237@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>Dworkin has no real power; Pat Robertson does.

Dwokin, in cahoots with Catherine MacKinnon, has had a much greater
effect in legal and civil rights circles than Robertson ever had.
In any case, if it weren't for this, I think she'd languish in
obscurity as a polemicist.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: an anonymous poster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How did you find soc.motss?
Date: 26 Dec 92 23:26:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Dec26.232658.11663
Reply-To: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

The short, flip answer is: I didn't!

Back when I started reading "net.motss", it was very near the creation
date.  Way back then, I could (and did) read the net (yes, the whole
thing)on a daily basis, and thought it was an interesting name.  Then
I found out what "motss" stood for, and found it to be an interesting
view into a facet of life that I had never thought about.  After all,
it seemed to be full of thoughtful messages by nice people, not the
"nasty faggots" I was being taught to hate.

August, things changed for me, and I started accepting the possibility
that I might very well be a "motssketteer", a rather happy, non-loaded
term that I could apply to myself without stirring up all the baggage
that "faggot", or even "gay" carries with it.  Looking back, I suppose
I would have known at age 3, but social conditioning kept my identity
buried.  I can't imagine how more difficult this self-realization could
have been if it wern't for soc.motss in general, and in particular, one
Mr. Dyer, who helped set me "gaily forward", and dispelled so many
hateful myths in our first conversation that I don't know how I could
ever thank him.

As far as motss being too cryptic, I don't really think it's too bad.
The lesbians seem to have adopted that label ("lesbian") as their own,
and bis have had the freedom to do similar, but I still find the term
"gay" to be a label applied from outside.  Motss started internally,
by homosexuals, for homosexuals, about homosexuals.  I guess one other
thing is that it doesn't have "SEX" in it, because there is more to
being gay than sex.  (and no, I'm not just being crabby about celebacy,
although... :-)

I wasn't around for the great newsgroup re-naming, so I "lost"
net.motss.  I found it again by looking in the list-of-lists,
the same way a lot of new users find such things.  Maybe it's
just me, but I feel that needing that level of "clued-in-ness"
as an admission ticket to soc.motss is not a bad idea.  Anything
that cuts down on the level of hate traffic can't be all that
bad.
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/                      When you expect flutes, it's whistles
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: long-term relationships...success stories, please...
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, California
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 23:29:15 GMT

> coren@speed.osf.org (Robert Coren) writes:
>> jontom@HQ.Ileaf.COM (J.T. Kittredge) writes:
>> I just started reading a biography of the actress Sarah Bernhardt
>> ("The Divine Sarah" by Gold and Fizdale). My interest in this book was
>> piqued when I read (in the NYT) that the authors are two men who were
>> a couple (and a well known piano duo) for forty years until one of
>> them died shortly before finishing the book.
>
>Hmm... Although I'd heard of Gold and Fizdale, and knew of them as "a
>well known piano duo", I had never realized they were a couple.

Oh yes.  The Siegfried & Roy of their day, I suppose, taming
the wild ivories together...
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san ramon, ca -=- rjwill6@pacbell.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: allemang@lia.di.epfl.ch (Dean Allemang)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: The Foreskin-Impaired (was Re: Drooling over...)
Date: 24 Dec 92 10:49:40 GMT
	<ALLEMANG.92Dec23145518@liasun5.epfl.ch>
	<1hab2jINNn9j@fido.asd.sgi.com>
Organization: DI-LIA -- Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne
In-reply-to: pauli@sgi.com's message of 23 Dec 92 18:27:31 GMT

In article <1hab2jINNn9j@fido.asd.sgi.com> pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs) writes:
   In article <ALLEMANG.92Dec23145518@liasun5.epfl.ch> allemang@lia.di.epfl.ch (Dean Allemang) writes:

   >We usually have a discussion of this afterwards or during the break,
						       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   afterward or during the break?
   What is "the break?"

   I picture Romper Room.
 

   After the doobee song, all us kids have a big orgy.
   Then, we have "the break" for milk and cookies when we all talk about 
   our sex parts.
   Then we have more sex.
   Then we ride the little cardboard cars around the room.
   Finally, it's time for the magic mirror:
   "I see Peter and Dick and Rod and..."

   pauli.



Yes, that is exactly right.

Dino
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher)
Subject: What to do with my postings.
Followup-To: re:the 10% figure
Summary: Enough is enough
Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 13:23:07 GMT


OK.  I give in.  I will never respond to Craig Crammer (or
whatever his name is) again on the net.  If I do I shall
confine it to alt.politics.homosexuality or alt.flame.

Now *please* stop e-mailing me about the guy.  

Xavier Gallagher

-- 
** Xavier Gallagher                        ***********************************
** Genius, Plumber & Madman                ******* s0xjg@exnet.co.uk ********* 
** Part time Dark OverLord Of The Universe ***********************************
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: misek@boulder.parcplace.com (Steve Misek)
Subject: ** Acceptable Risks **
Organization: ParcPlace Boulder
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 20:18:28 GMT

A few weeks ago a new book went on display at a bookstore in
Denver (Category 6).  I purchased a copy, went home, poured a
large glass of wine, found one of the heater cats for my lap,
sat down and started to read.  For the next few hours my 
emotions ran the gamut from extreme rage and anger, to sadness,
to daydreams about people I once new, and back again.  Quite a
few tears as well.

Whenever I stumble into an incredible book, I have this annoying
habit of buying up a dozen or so copies and forcing everyone I
know to read it... :-)

The book is:
	Acceptable Risks
	by Jonathan Kwitney
		Poseidon Press/Simon & Schuster
		ISBN: 0-671-73244-7

#ifdef	ABOUT_TO_GET_ONTO_MY_SOAPBOX

	Last night an ex-boyfriend called from Baton Rouge to chat....
	we chatted about the holidays, gossiped, etc... and somewhere
	in the middle of all this he accidentally slipped and mentioned
	that his Tcell count dropped below 24 last week.  This morning
	I hit the local book stores and bought up another dozen copies
	of the book to send to more people (and to him, since his current
	doctor is so pathetic).

	The book is a very fast read.  In a nutshell
	the book discusses the moral and ethical aspects of drug
	legalization; and how current FDA and Customs policy has
	contributed to the death of thousands of americans.  This book
	ranks up there with "The Band Played On", and "The Mayor of
	Castro Street" and will probably be looked back upon as one
	of the most important books every written about the AIDS crisis.
	It discusses all of the alternative medications on the market,
	and quickly brings you up to speed on which ones work, and which
	ones don't.  And gives you an incredible insight into what ACT-UP
	has been fighting for for all these years.

#endif

Ok, Ok, I'll come down off my soapbox now... however if you need
an incredible book to read... please look for this book.  For those
of you living in siberia (sorta like me... I live in Colorado) you
can probably order this through Lambda Rising, or any of those 
incredible big city book stores that I would kill to live next to.

steve
misek@parcplace.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction (actually Delany)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 06:23:35 GMT

dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:


>_The Motion of Light in Water_, which is really wonderful.  He really
>should write a follow on to his autobiography.  The man _can_ write; I
>just don't find the fiction he writes very interesting.  I found both
>"Stars in My Pocket..." and "Dhalgren" to be impenetrable and unrewarding.

Oh, I forgot to say that Delany's autobiogrpahy is *REALLY* good; better
than anything else he has written. I have heard that thee is a sequel of sorts
but that is out of print.

-- 
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. ***Clinton-Gore 92!***
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"Republicans understand the importance of bondage between mother and child."
-- Vice President Dan Quayle
Newsgroups: soc.motss