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From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: It on during football
Date: 8 Sep 92 17:29:15 GMT
Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett)
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.  Engineering

In article <Bu8B78.CL@rice.edu>, kossack@owlnet.rice.edu (Jordan Marc 
Kossack) writes:
> 	That's Texan, not Kreton.    :-) 

That's creton not Kreton.


Tom Pickett 
tpickett@auspex.com
SHO  GOZE
From: kaveh@ms.uky.edu (Kaveh Baharestan)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:32:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon) writes:

>Why do you (plural) love the show? or, Are you drawn to the show because
>of a particular character or set of characters?

>Curious,

>Elizabeth (ehudon@reed.edu)

Well, characters i like the most....

hmmm...

okay okay, characters i like the least...

uhhhhh...

Damn! I like them all!

I like this series because its great. Its fee thinking. Its 
original.  The relationships between people are real, deep,
and significant (if not understandable). Its intellectual.

But most of all this show has real faith in the worthiness of
its characters; everyone, dispite faults, is a worthy person.

Really, thats just not a fair question.
-- 
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| but they're such tempting lips That if some night you're free, Dear...      |
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From: saiki@spot.Colorado.EDU (Eileen Saiki)
Subject: Re: re. Best Episode
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:43:50 GMT

kbowers@esrc1.uucp (Ken Bowers) writes:


>Interesting that so many of the episodes have come up in the 
>favorite/best list. Perhaps because of the diversity of the characters
>plus the open nature of the show's themes ... Too bad you all missed
>the boat. Best episode? End of the first full year, when Maggie has
>to go through Rick's funeral and the gay couple buys Maurice's place.
>Joel gets to be an empirical hero by dancing with Maggie at the end
>to prove no one is going to die by doing so. 
>Funny and moving, the wierd NX logic works perfectly--one of the 
>best television episodes ever. I doubt they'll top it.

>Ken 

  A hysterical episode and definitely one of my favorites.
  However for me, the first episode I ever
  saw (which got me hooked), "Spring Break" is my favorite. 
  The one where the ice is breaking and everyone is going crazy.
  Great dream sequences and the "Running of the Bulls."

    Eileen


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From: trw2352@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.R. Wohlers)
Subject: Re: re. Best Episode
Originator: trw2352@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 01:15:01 GMT

>In article <1992Sep7.105559.7395@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jcatesii@nyx.cs.du.edu (James Cates III) writes:
>
>Someone began a thread about fave episodes. I held my response
>while I pondered it for a few days.

Since nobody else has metioned this one, my favorite episode was when they
flung the piano.

At first Chris wants to fling a cow until Ed, I believe, points out that
Monty Python had already done it.  Flinging a cow through the air is just
another one of their morally sensitive issues they touch on (animal rights)

todd wohlers               "It's not what you fling,
trw2352@ultb.isc.rit.edu    but the fling itself."  - Northern Exposure, Chris
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From: glazer@cs.cornell.edu (Scott Mathew Glazer)
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:28:46 GMT

In article <MTUCKER.92Sep9101401@greyrock.greyrock.mso.colostate.edu> mtucker@greyrock.mso.colostate.edu (Michael R. Tucker) writes:
>
>I *hated* that!  It was a terrible cop-out!  I thought the writers to
>be more creative than that.  I mean, Moonlighting (sp?) did that
>stuff, and it was ok, but for some reason, it's not cool with NX.
>I don't really know why......I guess I expected more from the writers.
>Now, the show will never be the same.

I agree, it was awful!  I was quite disturbed by the whole incident.
Why?  Because I care deeply about these characters (unlike my feelings
toward the wafer-thin Moonlighting cast).

But as others have pointed out, this was an early episode.  Now if they ever
try anything like that again....

-Scott Glazer

P.S.  I'd like to add my voice to the praise for this Newsgroup's creation.
P.P.S My favorite episode -- The one where Adam and Eve get married.
      Although Adam seems a little less funny here than usual, he's
      still the greatest.  And the Joel/ Maggie interaction in this one
      had me and my housemates in tears of laughter, whatever some may
      say about encouragement of date-rape.
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From: tslater@nmsu.edu (Ted Slater)
Subject: Re: Fling Thing
Organization: Computing Research Lab
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 20:47:53 GMT

actually not so much of a coincidence as one might think. the
trebuchet was discussed on NPR (national public radio), and the two
builders interviewed alluded to the fact that they were builing one
for use in an upcoming Northern Exposure episode.

kind of interesting to hear a piano flung on NPR!

cheers,
ted

>>>>> On Tue, 8 Sep 92 15:11:08 GMT, bob@arx.adp.wisc.edu (Bob Mikrut) said:

Bob> I just subscribed, so I hope this isn't redundant (redundundant).

Bob> In the catapult episode, Chris decides not to fling the cow because
Bob> it's been done (in 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail'), but is anyone 
Bob> aware of the following:

Bob> In the Wall Street Journal, Tuesday, July 10, 1991, front page:
Bob> 	"A Scud It's Not, But The Trebuchet Hurls
Bob> 	 A Mean Piano"

Bob> This was the headline to a story on an Englishman named Hew Kennedy
Bob> in Acton Round, England, who built a device known by the 14th century
Bob> name 'trebuchet' (tray-boo-shay), "not to be confused with a catapult,
Bob> a much smaller device that throws rocks".

Bob> The 1st paragraph of the acticle:
Bob>   "With surprising grace, the grand piano sails through the sky a hundred
Bob> feet above a pasture here, finally returning to earth in a fortissimo
Bob> explosion of wood chunks, ivory keys and piano wire."

Bob> Additionally, the article includes a drawing, and it's the same
Bob> device in the NE episode.

Bob> Too much, eh?? I figure the writers are WSJ readers and knew a
Bob> really bizarre thing when they saw it.

Bob> BTW, Mr Kennedy also flung cows, horses, and hogs, all already dead
Bob> though.  And porcelain toilets soaked in gasoline and set on fire.
Bob> That would have fit well in NE, n'est pas?


Bob> ===================================================================
Bob> ! Bob Mikrut                     ! internet: bob@rags.adp.wisc.edu!
Bob> ! University of Wisconsin        !                                !
Bob> ===================================================================

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From: v187ef4y@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Patrick J Crowe)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:46:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <Sep07.192748.43924@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, lagman@CS.ColoState.EDU
 (annette) writes...
> 
>	My favorite characters are Joel, Marilyn, Ruth-Anne and Bernard.
>	I'm surprised by how many posters so far have said that they like
>	Joel.  I thought a lot of people just found him whiny and annoying.
> 
The reason I like Joel is that I know people like him.  The federal government 
paid for my sister's medical school education, and she had to spend three years
in the Florida panhandle; at any time she could tell you exactly how many years,
months, and days she had left.  Being from the metro NYC area myself, I can
sympathize with Joel; I find Buffalo to be a small town.  
-Pat
_Spreading Evil, Pat Crowe's Autobiography_  New York (1927)
From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Steppin' Out of Character
Date: 10 Sep 1992 02:46:39 GMT
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>It went on hiatus until Feb of '91, 

Good!  I watched the first 2 episodes, then I stopped watching TV
altogether for about a year (only had a tiny portable, and grad
school pressure ate up time).  It's great to know I haven't missed
out on *that* much.
-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
  - Brought to you by the 'Elvis in 92' committee.
From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Date: 10 Sep 1992 02:58:30 GMT
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: beowulf.ucsd.edu

>I think I'd have to disagree there, Joel and Maggie's subplot is one of 
>the most visible themes in NX,

But if they ever sleep together, the whole show has been caught by
the Hollywood myth that characters *must* sleep together if they
are in love (sometimes even if only slightly attracted).
What's wrong with falling in love, maybe dating off and on?
TV today is obsessed with sex.  From what I read, the majority
of the cast of "freshman dorm" laid in the first episode.

And if they *must*, why not just have the lights go out while
they're kissing, and the perverts can imagine them sleeping
together, and other people can imagine them being honorable.
Perhaps I'm the only liberal in the world with conservative
views on sex though...

I prefer to think of it as "romantic tension".

-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
  - Brought to you by the 'Elvis in 92' committee.
From: franl@centerline.com (Fran Litterio)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Death to Chris
Date: 11 Sep 92 14:00:02
Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc.
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In-reply-to: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov's message of Fri, 11 Sep 1992 13:13:36 GMT

puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) writes:

> russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams) writes:
> 
> >Is he actually either of these?  I'm not denying it, but I don't recall
> >him ever explicitly stating wars should never be fought; with all his
> >talk of life and death and whatnot I could easily imagine him saying
> >war is an inevitable part of the human experience.
> 
> Yeah. Chris just doesn't see the line between 'sacred and profane' that 
> we Westerners are always so aware of...or, seeing it, kinda looks past
> it...

Touche.

Chris is a foil.  Infrequently, an episode centers around him, but
mostly he says things about what's happening to other characters.  In
a lot of ways, he's all of the other characters rolled into one.  Even
Maurice: recall the shave, haircut, and all-American attitude he got
for election day (even though he couldn't vote due to being a fugitive
from justice).  I love the contradicitions in his character.  It
reminds me to be more aware of my own.

Here's a wild theory:

Chris is very philosophical (even theological).  He's at odds with the
powers that be (a fugitive from justice).  His job as a DJ gives him a
way to speak to many people and spread his ideas.  He's in his
thirties and knows he'll die soon.  Add a 't' to his name and bingo --
instant symbolism.
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From: bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Date: 12 Sep 92 21:13:33 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HHMI/Human Genetics, Univ of Pa.

In article <1992Sep11.221837.20698@microsoft.com>, alexho@microsoft.com 
(Alex Howerton) writes:

>>I think Chris is right on the ball.
> Have you read Campbell and Nietzche and Jung and Freud and all the other 
> stuff Chris quotes? I'm sure you have, and I have too. Chris' musings
> are not from his soul, but are watered down Cliff's notes versions of
> this stuff. 
First of all the stuff has to be watered down somewhat.  So it's not too
boring, or confusing, or high-brow for people who don't get into that.
The writers aren't trying to convert people, just enlighten them a little,
and give a certain perspective and theme to the episode.

> If you haven't heard it before, you'll say "wow, deep!"  But if you have 
> read it, like I'm sure many NX fans have, you say "So...?"
Huh?  Even some one summing up Nietzche and Jung doesn't make me go, "So?"!

> My wife says Chris reminds her of someone she dated in college, who
> instead of answering a question or saying how he felt, would quote a line
> from Thoreau or Whitman or whatever Great Thinker was in has head at 
> the moment. 
I can understand how that would be aggrevating...but that's NOT Chris!
He reads passages, he quotes books, but then he sets that aside and says what
it means to him...  He's not trying to impress, he really finds meaning in
these philosophies.  He delves for an understanding, a kinship.

> Again, that's why I like the Chris character; I love to 
> get mad at him for what I'd rather not acknowledge about myself.
Maybe you are projecting your own faults onto the character of Chris, or maybe
we just view him differently, and won't be able to agree.  

*shrug*  That's cool too.  Everyone has a divergent path in life and they have 
to follow their heart, that is what will lead them to a greater fulfillment.
              
(And yes, I *was* doing my best Chris impersonation there...)  :^)

Greg Bole                                    "The ants in the grass, they
bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu                  were just doing their thing."
                                            Matt Dillon in _Drugstore Cowboy_
From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Date: 6 Sep 92 19:59:43 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens


Characters I like the most?  Easy. Joel, Ed, Maggie, Marilyn....and
the old woman, who owns the store.


-- 
"Black men loving black men is THE revolutionary act!"
			-Joseph Beam_
Terrance Heath 
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From: tom@uts.cc.wayne.edu (Thomas Richard Stevenson)
Subject: Re: The Length of Joel's Stay in Cicely
Keywords: Joel
Organization: Wayne State Univ.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 23:20:32 GMT

Of cource, this assumes he leaves at the end of his 4 years. In some of the
last shows, Joel seems to be looking at Cicely in a new light. I can see
Joel saying (at the end of the 4 years) "well, it's time for me to go, but
I can wait until you find someone else to replace me...". At which point 
he stays until the show is cancelled.
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From: puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett)
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Organization: NASA/MSFC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:49:36 GMT

ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon) writes:

>Why do you (plural) love the show? or, Are you drawn to the show because
>of a particular character or set of characters?

>Curious,

>Elizabeth (ehudon@reed.edu)

Man, please. I really don't know why, but I love these folks. I care 
about them, _all_ of them. 

--if I analyze it successfully, will I lose it? If so, forget it! Its
not worth knowing, if it costs me my affection for the show!

Good Morning Cicely!
jim p.
 
-- 
Jim Puckett    NTI    puckett@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov     
Huntsville,AL (205)461-4922  
This life is a test. It is only a test. If it had been a real life, you 
would have been given instructions....
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From: alix@indetech.com (Alexandria North)
Subject: Re: Joel/Maggie question
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:56:45 GMT

In article <m-rn!5j.clark@netcom.com> clark@netcom.com (Sue Clark) writes:
>nancyo@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Patricia O'Connor) writes:
>
>>gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>
>>>Personally I felt that the episode was an interesting statement on the
>>>male understanding (or lack thereof) of the female.  If we get agressive
>>>(Maggie wanted Joel to "have her" while she was asleep) then we are
>>>uncontrolled animals who only think with our genitals.  If we are passive
>>>we get accused of being gay, uninterested, or boring.  In this case
>>>Joel respected Maggie and she threw a fit over it.  Don't get me wrong, I
>>>enjoyed the humor of the episode.  I just think it was at the expense of a
>>>serious women's issue - date rape.
>
>>I agree--I was shocked when Joel asked Maggie if she would rather
>>he just went ahead and have sex with her while she was sleeping
>>and she said YES!  She equated with his respect for her with a
>>lack of desire, and that to me did not seem a natural response for
>>a woman of today to make.  An unconscious person is incapable of
>>giving her consent.
>
>I found this a bit irresponsible on the part of the writers.  Date rape
>is something that's serious and I don't think it should be played for
>laughs.
>

This wasn't the first time the show has presented something which I 
felt was objectionable and in poor taste, though they do seem to err 
less often as compared to most TV shows. I was truly, deeply offended 
by the episode where Chris was engineering a way to catapult a cow.
(Angry enough to write the producers.) While Chris didn't actually 
go through with this idea, it had nothing to do with the disgusting 
nature of the idea, just the lack of novelty.

Now, I don't eat beef, but my husband does, and even he found this 
catapult-a-cow concept revolting. Flinging a living creature through 
the air for entertainment is vile (unless we're talking about a 
"human cannon" who loves the job!). I had a hard time believing that 
the character of Chris would even thing this up in the first place.
 
Alexandria

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From: sletten@cs.wm.edu (Brian J. Sletten)
Subject: The Soundtrack
Organization: The College of William and Mary
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 20:16:25 GMT

I see someone else has already gone out and bought the soundtrack. 

I've just listened to it a few times and quite enjoy it. There are
songs that I wish had been included like the one at the end of the
"Ed-thinks-Ruth-Ann-is-going-to-die" episode, "Caribbean Blue", and
"Toy Cows of Africa", but it still has some great tunes on it.

The extended version of the theme is great too.

Does anyone who has the soundtrack or who has read the listing as
posted know from which episodes each song is derived?  I think most of
them are from the earlier episodes... maybe they'll have an "Even more
Music from the hit tv show Northern Exposure" Soundtrack.

Vote me in!
From: astbc@acad2.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: wow II
Date: 13 Sep 92 17:08:24 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska

In article <9SEP199212023696@acad3.alaska.edu>, asfjp@acad3.alaska.edu (Frederick J. Polsky V1.0) writes:
> I was born in Cicely.. I remember the first time I took the drive to Sleetmute
> and caught the train to Anchorage... wow, that was a time.

Yeah !, Right, I beleive you ?

M. le K.
astbc@acad2.alaska.edu

PS: I have a question ?
    Why ABC world news have to broadcast the weather on the town of Cicely.
    Anchorage is a much bigger place, and they don't even mention it !!
    Is that northen exposure is made by ABC. That a shame even if it's a very
good show.
From: reynolds@park.bu.edu (John Reynolds)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: when is southern exposure?
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:25:25 GMT
Distribution: alt.tv.northern-exp
Organization: Boston University Center for Adaptive Systems

when is southern exposure?
From: aja+@pitt.edu (Dan E Steele)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.northern-exp
Subject: Re: Ed and Ruth-Anne (Was Best Episode)
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:07:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Sep9.072444.11719@reed.edu> ehudon@reed.edu (Elizabeth Hudon) writes:
>
>Any takers for the 'what's your favorite relationship' question?
>
>Elizabeth


   I would have to say that Adam & Eve's relationship is my personal fave.
   Adam quickly became one of my favorite characters despite the few       
   shows he has appeared in. When ever either character is alone they do
   nothing but express love for each other, but when together, they fight
   like cats & dogs.  


    And I thought I have dated nurotic women....


  DES
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From: dlp@wixer.cactus.org (Don Patrick)
Subject: Re: Fandom
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 04:20:50 GMT


My favorite character is Ed, but the thing I like most about the show is Joel
being out-of-touch with the rest of the town.  Everyone is bizarre, to some
degree.  It's a town of eccentrics.  But that's normal to everyone but Joel.
Tonight's episode pointed that out vividly where everyone took the duel in
stride except for Joel.
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From: jps4800@tamsun.tamu.edu (John Parrish Schweers)
Subject: Re: Death to Chris
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:50:50 GMT

But Chris is convincing and can respond to challenges of his ideas, while 
Claven can't.


Somebody wanted to know why Ed was concerned about Ruth-Anne dying.  He was 
working in her store and found out it was her birthday, 76th I believe.  
Somebody died of a heart attack at the age of 50-something.  

Ed decides to throw Ruth-Anne a birthday party and can't figure out what to 
get her.  After talking to Chris, Ed gives her a burial plot.




Favorite Episode:

Chris is in one of his manic moods.  He is working on a giant sculpture at
the lake.  It has old scrap metal, weather vanes and stuff.  Back in town, 
a person comes in on a motorcycle.  It's Bernard, who has driven non-stop
from Seattle because of a dream or something.  He has never been there before
and thus the brotherhood of Chris and Bernard is found out.
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From: mwmv@athena.cas.vanderbilt.edu (Michael Mogensen-Vermillion)
Subject: Re: Reasons for fandom
Organization: Vanderbilt University Mathematics Department
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 01:39:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.201039.6966@athena.cs.uga.edu> wells@athena.cs.uga.edu (Scott Wells) writes:
>You think that Cicely, Alaska wouldn't be bothered by someone so...common.
>:) 

I (Lucy) am from the Northwest and was transplanted to the 
South by virtue of my parents.  I love the show precisely because it
reminds me of home (common huh).  Yes the characters are caricatures but
nevertheless encompass the mindset of people who are unimpressed with Eastern
ideas of what "culture" is (i.e. Joel).  I too have been to college and am
_very_ impressed with the character of Chris.  He adds a dimension to
the show that allows it a depth that it would otherwise not have.
Otherwise my favorite characters are Maggie and Joel--yes it's passe but
I love the romantic inclination (and its frustration) in their relationship.


Mike: I agree.  Chris's radio patter gives the disparate threads of the
story a unity --albeit a Douglas Adams type of unity.

Team posting: Whatta concept!
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