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From: lhp@daimi.aau.dk (Lasse Hiller|e Petersen)
Subject: Re: Adult circumcision
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:08:04 GMT

qedoabff@w206zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Peter Bosel) writes:

>Of course this is a difficult decision - you can't take it back satisfactory
>(like a tatoo) and I am afraid that I could wish my foreskin back
>one day. Does anybody has experiences with adult circumcision? If yes, how
>went the operation and how do you like the condition now?

>I am especially concerned by the statement of some people, that there might
>appear an unpleasant scar directly under the glans (where the cut is made),
>which would not happen when circumcision is performed before puberty.

I was circumcised a few years ago, because of an annoyingly tight foreskin.
I only had the tight part removed, so I'm not completely smooth.

As for scarring, that depends on your skin. I have no significant scar, only
tiny points from the stitches. Only visible on close inspection.

It hurt a bit, having it done. My brother, who also had it done late in life,
was hospitalized and I think fully anestethized (sp?). I wasn't -- went
home (by bus!) the same afternoon. A looong paaaiiinnful bumpy busride.
The whole operation took maybe an hour (can't remember exactly, not long,
anyway.) I think I impressed the surgeon by chatting and commenting while he
worked on my thing. (Or perhaps I just irritated him :-)

Having it done because of the tight foreskin, I of course like the condition
now a lot better. As I still have foreskin, I can't judge about having it
smooth. My brother had all removed, and likes it a lot.

If you're that much in doubt, you'd rather not rush into it. It can't be
undone, as you know.
--
Lasse Hiller|e Petersen - lhp@daimi.aau.dk !  /*] Once upon a time at 2:30 in
Department of Information & Media Science  ! /*<  the afternoon, there lived
Aarhus University                          !/* *\ a wise&benevolent&wonderful
Denmark                                    ! L L  wizard who wore a big hat...
From: kmac@cisco.com (Karl MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: questions
Keywords: Septum, Clitoris
Date: 11 Nov 92 01:10:34 GMT
Organization: cisco Systems, Menlo Park, California, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: regal.cisco.com

In article <1992Nov6.064149.19239@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> 2038am@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (That Guy) writes:
>
>one description i have read of a fellow who pierced his own septum
>listed that the guy had placed it BELOW the cartelidge of the septum,
>just above the little bridge of skin between the nostrils.  it this the
>normal placement?

	Yup, it sure is. That's where every septum pierce I've ever 
	seen is done.

>  i would have thought it would go THROUGH the
>cartelidge.

	I'd think it would be a mistake to do that, for several reasons;
	one, it would get infected really easy, and that's not a happy 
	place to have infections; two, it would tend to be too high up
	in the nose, and three, it would be really, really hard to pierce...

>  from you who have experience, how badly did it hurt to get
>it done.

	It's the only piercing I've ever gotten that I would actually describe
	as 'fun'. It was a major ruse to have done, and hurt much less than 
	I expected it to...

>  what was the healing time.

	Fast. six weeks it felt healed. Everything else I've ever 
	had took much longer.... 

>  did you use one of those U-shaped
>retainer studs?  how (un)comfortable was it.

	The first week, it was hell. Felt like a huge booger. After 
	that, I got used to it and never noticed it was there.

			

			-Karl


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From: Brice.A.Brown@dartmouth.edu (Brice A. Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: 2nd tat..where in New England..friendly
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:13:46 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

i've heard really good and fuzzy things about the sign of the wolf in
west lebanon, new hampshire.  if it aint too far for ye, i's say give
it a go...




brice.


SHOOFLY IS GOD

brice.a.brown.@dartmouth.edu
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From: garrett@math.rice.edu (David Garrett)
Subject: Re: Adult circumcision
Organization: Dept. of Mathematics, Rice University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:12:47 GMT

In article <1drd8gINNdrg@mailgzrz.TU-Berlin.DE> qedoabff@w206zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Peter Bosel) writes:
>As I like the smooth, streamlined appearance of a circumcised penis together 
>with the easier hygiene, I think about having done circumcision now.

In aerodynamic terms, a circumcised penis *does* have a lower coefficient 
of drag than an uncircumcised one.

>Of course this is a difficult decision - you can't take it back satisfactory
>(like a tatoo) and I am afraid that I could wish my foreskin back
>one day. 

Think again. I understand that foreskin reconstruction surgery is now 
available. I suspect that, like a vasectomy or plastic surgery, you had 
better be damn sure you want to be clipped before you do it, i.e., although 
it's technically reversible, it's ill-advised to proceed with it on the 
assumption that it can be undone if you change your mind.

>Does anybody has experiences with adult circumcision? If yes, how
>went the operation and how do you like the condition now?

I don't personally have any experience, as I was clipped when I was a baby, 
but people I've talked to that have had it done as adults have said that 
it was quite painful.

Dave

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From: jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: harassment.....*sigh*
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:35:26 GMT


In article <0f0HYkW00WAv0VvVx5@andrew.cmu.edu>, af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Alan S. Ferrency) writes:
>>Furthermore, harrassment of other people's opinions and actions should
>>not be tolerated, 
> 
> I agree wholeheartedly...
> 
>>...especially on a newsnet that is geared for a particualr
>>audience.  Why not alert the rest of the net that there is some asshole
>>responding rudely to what people are writing on the net?
>>Lets kick his fucking ass!  he has no fucking right to judge people on
>>what they choose to do to their bodies.
> 
> ... but this sounds an aweful lot like "harrassment of other people's
> opinions" to me.  Just because you don't like the fact that the other
> person doesn't like nose rings doesn't mean you have any more right to
> harrass him as he does to harrass anyone else.  (yeah, whatever...)
> In other words, just because it's an opinion you don't agree with, it
> still doesn't make it right for you to harrass him about it.


hello, "me"...
im sorry if you think my lanuage is harrasement....i do agree that
saying "kicking his ass" is a bit harsh, and i do apoplogize, but
did you read what this guy wrote to beth about her piering?
he definately crossed the borders from expressing an opinion to
an act to hurt and humiliate.  so i do not think what i was expressing
was harrassment.....especially in comparision......
it is right not to tolerate any harassment, and i intend on letting
anyone know if there is someone like that harassing others.....
> 
> just thought I'd point out what seemed to be a contradiction...
> 
> 
> -me
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart,alt.postmodern,alt.tasteless
From: jrsmith@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (J. R. Smith III)
Subject: Phineas Gage
Followup-To: rec.arts.bodyart,alt.postmodern,alt.sex,alt.tasteless,alt.religion.scientology,alt.good.news
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 23:42:59 GMT

...
	Hey, anyone else remember Phineas Gage from the old Ripley's strip?  
He was the railroad worker who got a steel pipe blown through his skull in
an explosives accident, and lived happily to show off his new blow-hole.
(You may have seen Ripley's neat drawing of Gage in the title sequence of the
short-lived Ripley's TV series a few years ago.)

	Anyway, to make a long story short, where can I get a piercing
like that?  I think it would be cool to walk around with a bar or sword 
Sticking out of my face.  And if people made fun of me or tried to put
me in a freak show, I'd pull out the bar and hit them with it!  Neat.
What doctors are licensed to do this piercing?  Anyone near Boston?

					... John-Raymond Smith

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From: lib@cbnews.cb.att.com (Lib)
Subject: Re: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:06:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.110823.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> bcorkum@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>
>
>JOE- IF YOU READ THIS; I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK I SHOULD DO 

Then why did you answer him?

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From: ts_rost@pavo.concordia.ca (*TsR)
Subject: FAQ
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Concordia University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:54:00 GMT

Could someone please supply me with an anonymous FTP site that has the FAQ?

Thanks. 

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Tanja Rosteck    ><   ts_rost@pavo.concordia.ca   ><   Concordia University  -
                                                       Montreal, K-bec, Canada

"See, as you are to your body, so am I to my stock. You have no tail... I have
 no 9 1/2's."  -  "I Sell Shoes", Kids in the Hall
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From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: temporary tattoos and cuttings
Date: 5 Nov 1992 13:49:53 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov

In article <1992Nov4.230810.23223@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> metzlers@spot.Colorado.EDU (METZLER SANDRA TAIMI) writes:
>
>The second piece was from my mother.  God bless Ma.  On the sheep farm and to
>this day, she uses Gunction Violet as an antibiotic/antiseptic ointment on
>wounds (works well on absessed wounds as well)--and says that the stuff 
>stains the wound (temporarily, i assume, since she doesn't have any purple
>stains on her that I can see).  I kind of like this as "an idea for a cutting
>you hate to let heal too fast".  Just be careful to apply it to the wound itselfsince it does stain.  You can probably find gunction violet at a feed store :>

If the stuff you are referring to is Gentian Violet, you can buy the USP stuff
at a pharmacy (though they will look at you funny and charge you more than the
feed store does, but that's life in the big city for you).  It's a tincture of
Gentian flowers, and it's a mild antiseptic.  It does stain live tissue for
a few weeks and would look pretty funny, but certainly doesn't seem to cause
any problems.  Definitely better than mercurichrome anyway.
--scott
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: new magazine 'in the flesh'
From: gumby@oread.cc.ukans.edu
Date: 7 Nov 92 10:38:49 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Serces

In article <hurd.720930565@sfu.ca>, hurd@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter L. Hurd) writes:
> tspindle@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (tom spindler) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov4.060315.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> gumby@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>>>just wanted to spread the word that
>>>the _premiere_issue_ of 'in the flesh'
>>>has hit the newstands.  a magazine 
>>>about body piercing/modification.
> 
>>Heh, but most of the pictures have been published before. [I.e. PFIQ,
>>Modern Primatives, etc.]
>>Looks like it's a magazine for the piercing-as-fad crowd
> 
> Or a $5 mag, for fans who don't want to drop $>20 for a PFIQ.

*ding* *ding*
my sentiments _exactly_!

i will be the first to admit that
a magazine with articles titled
'the new tribalism-life on the fringe',
'are you in good hands?-picking the
perfect piercer', etc... has the potential
for being less than in the purest vein.
the style of the magazine is in the tried 
and true tattoo magazine tradition.
(same advertisers, layout, etc.)
i also find it interesting to note that,
despite the quick rundown on the various
bodypiercings they have on pages 16 and 17
(they have 22 listed, 12 of which are genital)
they neglect to show photos of anything below
the belt.  *hmmm*  
nipples are as racy as this rag gets.
anyways... i will admit that the magazine 
is less than perfect.  i'm just happy to
find something cheap and available 
-i can't afford PFIQ and have yet to see
it anywhere.-
guess that's all i have to say...
now, for any of you left who might find
this magazine interesting, i did dig up the
info. (it was _on_ the first page...*sigh*)

subscriptions and direct sales:
	(212) 564-0113
circulation director:
	(212) 564-0112

address:
	OB enterprises. Inc.
	Suite 2305
	450 Seventh Avenue
	New York, NY  10123-0101

the cover price is $4.95 and i guess 
tack on a buck for s+h.  but when i called
they told me it was $5.95 plus $1....
maybe just a silly mix up.  it _does_ 
say $4.95 in us or canada.  don't go
down without some sort of fight.

well,
take care,
good luck,

matthew

> -P.
> -- 
> Pete Hurd, hurd@sfu.ca|
> Behavioural Ecology   |
> Dept.Biol.Sci., SFU.  |
> Burnaby B.C., Canada  |"As miserable as ever" replied the enlightend Kyogen.

-- 
gumby@oread.cc.ukans.edu
 -i'm gumby, dammit!-

 i like my beer opaque.

ps  i havent seen a PFIQ but only
    only one photo in 'in the
    flesh' resembles anything from
    modern primitives.
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From: fredj@wang.com (Fast Freddie)
Subject: Re: i did it.
Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:54:29 GMT
Keywords: tattoo

vyxter@ftp.com writes:

>the night before halloween i drove up to sign of the wolf in west
>lebanon, new hampshire with a friend.  i'd intended to just look
>around, meet the artists, and get a patch test.  i planned to come
>back later to actually get the tattoo, but, i loved the artwork all
>over the shop, i liked the tattoo artists, dave and kevin, and dave

Which dave? the father or son?  The father did mine, and it was really an
enjoyable experience!

>promised me that no one, but no one, ever has an allergic reaction to
>black ink.  especially his black, as he mixes his own.  his price was
>reasonable, he said it would take less than an hour, and my friend was
>willing to wait.  so!  i now have a tattoo on my right arm, deltoid
>area.  it didn't hurt very much at all, i basically did not bleed, and
>now it is covered with bacitracin and peeling.  i love it!  i stand on
>subway platforms and smirk to myself, thinking "hah!  i have a tattoo
>and none of you know it!"  i like my little semi-secret.
>--
>		--vyxter			       	      
Fast Freddie

Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!)
Subject: Re: Adult circumcision
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 06:07:51 GMT

'supreme being'?? I laugh at this paper. The 'supreme being' is so 
full of fault, it bogggles my mind. I laugh.

The issue has been exhaustivley discussed on alt.sex.etc.etc.etc,
surely numerous persons there have summaries suitable to their 
preferences. My observations led me to believe that cut men like
it that way; uncut men like it that way; women are evenly divided,
at best, partial to their experience in reality.

Accounts I've read of adult men getting cut include pain, stitches, 
scars, and unbearable sensitivity. My totally unfounded belief is 
that you adjust to what you have. Hmmm, I adjusted what I have...

This is probably not the group to ask. Try alt.sex.etc.etc.etc for 
summaries. Just my zillions of worthless coinage.

Tim
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From: braunste@fjord.ATMOS.ColoState.Edu (steam)
Subject: Re: address for Gauntlet?
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 04:01:32 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Nov5.205611.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu  
writes:
> i ve heard so much about the Gauntlet on the net that i would love
> to see the catalog....(is it mail order?)
> what is the address/phone number?  
> -jen

this is from the faq:

	Gauntlet (retail)
	2377 Market St.
	San Francisco, CA 94114
	(415) 431-3133
	fax (415) 431-3170
	
	Gauntlet (retail)
	8720 Santa Monica Blvd.
	Los Angeles, CA 90069
	(213) 657-6677
	fax (213) 657-4657
	
	Gauntlet (mail order)
	1201 Old County Rd., Unit 3
	Belmont, CA 94002
	(415) 592-9715
	fax (415) 592-1986
	
	Gauntlet (retail)
	144 Fifth Ave (at 19th Street), Second Floor
	New York, NY
	(212) 229-0180
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From: tmbg9495@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Freak )
Subject: Cold branding?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:36:13 GMT

I remember reading in a magazine a couple of years back about
how cattle ranchers had begun using cold branding instead of the 
traditional red-hot iron variety.  From what I understand this consisted
of using a liquid-nitrogen cooled branding implement and basically giving
the area of the brand 3rd-degree frostbite.  One of the advantages, apparently,
was a decreased risk of infection-- but the cool part was the hair grew
back on the brand but was snow white in color.  I was thinking this would
be a cool body mod, to brand patterns on the scalp with a cold piece of 
metal and have the hair grow out in brown/white patterns.  Has anyone had
any experience with this, either intentional or accidental?  Thanks in
advance....


							Freak
From: barb@public.BTR.COM (Barbara MacRae)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: temporary tattoos and cuttings
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:52:59 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Saint Sebastian's School for Wicked Girls

In article <1992Nov4.230810.23223@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> metzlers@spot.Colorado.EDU (METZLER SANDRA TAIMI) writes:
>
>The second piece was from my mother.  God bless Ma.  On the sheep farm and to
>this day, she uses Gunction Violet as an antibiotic/antiseptic ointment on
>wounds (works well on absessed wounds as well)--and says that the stuff 
>stains the wound (temporarily, i assume, since she doesn't have any purple
>stains on her that I can see).  I kind of like this as "an idea for a cutting
>you hate to let heal too fast".  Just be careful to apply it to the wound itselfsince it does stain.  You can probably find gunction violet at a feed store :>

Actually, it's "gentian" violet, it has strong antiseptic properties
and as I recall, it is especially good for burns.

-Barb
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From: kneale@noao.edu (ruth a. kneale)
Subject: Advice for ear piercing
Summary: cartilage piercing
Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:14:59 GMT

Well, time to finally de-lurk and post something here.  I guess I'm
a 'closet bodyart fan'...not many people know about my decorations
except the obvious ones, my earrings.

My problem is that I have very small ears and have had to do all
my piercings except the first one myself...I was not able to find 
anyplace to pierce further up my ear because they might hit cartilage.
Anyway, I've run out of earlobe/skin/noncartilage area on my ear
and want to get a ring put in the upper cartilage of my ear.  Now,
after reading the previous posts about self-piercing and all, I
would like to ask two things...(1) Is this an ok thing to do myself?
I understand it is a bit tougher and takes longer to heal...is this
something I should get done professionally?  (2) If this is the case,
can anyone out there tell me of a place in Tucson or Phoenix that
will do this? I mean, I couldn't even find anyone to pierce my earlobe
because it might hit the cartilage...let alone the cartilage itself.

I'm sure there are places to go, I just haven't been able to find them. 

Thanks in advance!
-- 
ruth a. kneale			I crave it all but don't get
rkneale@noao.edu		any of it as often as I'd like.
From: davei@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr D Ingles)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.bodyart
Subject: Re: GIFS: piercing, muties, tats
Date: 10 Nov 92 10:40:59 GMT
Organization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.

In article <ed.721131582@cwis> ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) writes:
>I'm looking for body piercing, mutilations, tattoos and all things in
>between in GIF or JPG format.  I'm compiling them to use as visuals for
>some upcoming raves here.  I'll be cycling them through Fractint17.2 to
>get the distortion and psychedelisciousness.

There were some nice tattoo jpg's posted to the net in
alt.binaries.pictures etc a short while ago.  I posted a message here to
make people aware of them. 

Davei
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From: erover@panix.com (Elizabeth Rover)
Subject: Re: BODY POLICE ON THE NET!!LOOK OUT!
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:47:57 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Nov10.200657.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov10.222708.4293@mercury.cair.du.edu>, tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (five left and cut!) writes:
>> In article <1992Nov10.140924.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jpage@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>> [etc. deleted, since we've memorized it already]
>> 
>>>Lets kick his fucking ass!  he has no fucking right to judge people on
>>>what they choose to do to their bodies.
>> 
>> And we have the right to kick his fucking ass? Grow up.
>> 
>> 
>
>yes, i DO think we have the right to kick his fucking ass....because
>he's harrassing,bullying and condesending to say the least, which
>i think is intolerable.  and, just for your information, to "kick someone's
>ass" is a phrase, honey, not to be taken literally.  it means that
>we should not tolerate his shit. boy, i feel so bad for those who
>get so upset over little things like phrases "kicking ass"...*sigh*


-- 
Liz Rover           "Le coeur a des raisons que la raison ne connait pas"
erover@panix.com    "The heart has reasons that the reason does not know"
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From: clc@nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb)
Subject: Re: should niobium rings fade?
Organization: UCCSN-SCS
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:40:42 GMT

"Alan S. Ferrency" <af1x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I colored my own rings, so I have a little bit of experience (although
>not much) with how the colors go through.

Please describe the coloring process.  I have a fading
magenta niobium ring that I'd like to re-colorize.

---
Chris L. Cobb -- clc@nevada.edu -- B0 f t+ w c+ g k+ s++ p

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