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From: Rajeev.Pant@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rajeev Pant)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Windies Wicketkeeper(s) in the WI Vs Ind 1971 Series
Date: 25 Jul 92 20:51:14 GMT
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service

Hello fellow nettors,

This is my first posting in rsc, so please overlook any incorrect convention
usage.

A couple of months ago, I read a posting regarding the Indian and Windies
Test teams for the 1971 series, played in WI. The writer did a good job in
compiling the list, but was not sure about the Windies' w'keeper ( he guessed
that it was probably Derryck Murray (sp?). 

Recently, I was browsing through an old "Sportstar" and found the names of
the players who kept wickets for the WI. Yes players, the Windies used the 
services of two keepers.

1.	T. M. Findlay	-	1st/2nd Tests
2.	D. M. Lewis 	-	3rd/4th/5th Tests

You all might recall, Sir Garfield Sobers and Ajit Wadekar led their
respective sides and P. Krishnamurty was the Indian w'keeper. SMG had
his dream debut scoring 774 runs in 4 Tests, averaging around 154.0,
4 tons, including 220 and 124 in the same game at P. of Spain. POS, became 
his happy hunting ground after Bombay. Dilip Sardesai also had
a good series, probably his last. Does anyone remember, if he played in
the 71/72 tour to England? I think he did play in England that season.

Taking a trip down memory lane, sure becomes nostalgic. So let me stop
before I flare up some dying flames.


Rajeev Pant

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From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
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Subject: T4 D2 first hour
Date: 24 Jul 1992 06:26:38 -0500
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Pakistan 197/9

Lewis just claimed Mushtaq's wicket, I can't make out how.
Aquib the new man in, avoiding the strike.  Malik on 82.

j n a.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 15:25:32 EDT
From: Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: English Umpiring, hello Rajeev
 <1992Jul30.192454.515@cs.umn.edu> <1992Jul31.070905.13393@rice.edu>
 <1992Jul31.183211.1162@cc.gatech.edu>

In article <1992Jul31.183211.1162@cc.gatech.edu>, sougata@cc.gatech.edu (Sougata
Mukherjea) says:
>
>>that Kaps was finished. On the Aussie tour, he took 27 wkts at 23.89 while
>                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I think he took 21 wickets.
>
the correct number is 25.

Stay cool,
The Thinker

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From: D.G.D.Clark@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Douglas Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Headingley - tea
Date: 24 Jul 92 14:49:48 GMT

Pakistan 197 all out
England 130 for no wicket

Gooch  59 not out
Atherton  54 not out

Extras  17
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From: sagrawal@oracle.com (Sanjay Agrawal)
Subject: Day 1 of 4th test
Organization: Oracle Corp
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:02:06 GMT
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After winning the toss, Pakistan are 71 for 4 just after tea. More than 26 overs have been
lost due to rain. Malik and Haq are batting.

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From: gkb1@chempc1.york.ac.uk (Graham Barlow)
Subject: Weather, looking good
Organization: University of York, UK
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:01:32 GMT

Hi,
It's looking good today, a dry, bright morning..
Graham.

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From: Alastair.T.Clarke@cm.cf.ac.uk (Alastair Clarke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Pak v Eng 4th Test 2nd Day 17:45 BST (was WHAT ABOUT CRICKET!)
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:53:08 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff

In article <1992Jul23.222833.27159@newserve.cc.binghamton.edu> vu0208@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (!) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.150204.4711@gw.wmich.edu> x90mumtaz@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>hi,
>>   Can't anybody in Pakistan, India, Australia, New Zealand, ENGLAND and
>>even USA , Canada mail the full details of the first day of 4th test. 
>
>Folks in USA can't receive clearly the BBC commentary!!
>
>Where as folks in ENGLAND are too busy in watching the game..!! :)
>
Its a few minutes before the close of play.  Pakistan were 197 all out after
about an hour this morning.  At the moment England are 207 for 1 (Gooch 90,
and Smith 17).  Atherton is the man out.  England appear to be very much on
top.  I bet Javed is regretting his decision to bat yesterday.

Some scores seem to filtering through on r.s.c, but my impression is that it
is taking between 12 and 24 hours for articles to arrive from when they are
posted - or is this just a problem at Cardiff?  Judge for yourself by comparing
the time of this article with the time you recieve it. 

Sorry I doubt that I'll be able to post any scores tommorow or Sunday, because
I don't intend to come into work.

Score now 213 for 1.

Alastair
 
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From: sundaram@skorpio.usask.ca (Meenakshi Sundaram)
Subject: Re: Pakistani Players Use Filthy Language!?
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 00:02:20 GMT

In article <92206.095447SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>, Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
|> In article <1992Jul23.213153.2012@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
|> arkay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Abdur Khan) says:
|> >
|> >also how come no one talks about gavaskar's hundred against New Zealand,
|> >which would have been the fastest if he had not slowed down near the hundred
|> >mark.
|> >
|> no. he was pretty quick till 95 (71 balls) but then he slowed down and got his
|> 100 off 85 balls. however, the record (62 balls) by azharuddin was never
|> seriously threatened.
|> 
|> Stay cool,
|> The Thinker
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From: ccjwm@marlin.jcu.edu.au (John Miller)
Subject: Re: LBW law
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 02:03:05 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.070631.10599@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1172217@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Smith) writes:
>The law is law 36, I will quote it here in its entirerity.
>   <Stuff deleted>
>    full pitch would have pitched in line between wicket and wicket; and
>    ii) The point of impact is in a straight line between wicket and wicket,
>    even if above the level of the bails.
>   <Stuff deleted>

This doesn't seem to cover the ball which would have hit the stumps on the
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From: vu0208@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (!)
Subject: Re: WHAT ABOUT CRICKET!!!!!!!!
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:28:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.150204.4711@gw.wmich.edu> x90mumtaz@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>hi,
>   Can't anybody in Pakistan, India, Australia, New Zealand, ENGLAND and
>even USA , Canada mail the full details of the first day of 4th test. 
>
>Atif [who is anxiously waiting for a reply] Mumtaz


Folks in Pakistan/India have no access to RSC to post the scores.

Folks in Australian/New Zealand don't really care what's going on in
the 4th test match.

Folks in USA can't receive clearly the BBC commentary!!

Where as folks in ENGLAND are too busy in watching the game..!! :)

Sorry we are out of luck this time on rsc.
From: diwadkva@ctrvx2.vanderbilt.edu (Vaibhav A. Diwadkar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Windies Wicketkeeper(s) in the WI Vs Ind 1971 Series
Date: 25 Jul 92 23:09:00 GMT
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In article <1992Jul25.205114.19724@samba.oit.unc.edu>, 
Rajeev.Pant@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Rajeev Pant) writes...

> 
>You all might recall, Sir Garfield Sobers and Ajit Wadekar led their
>respective sides and P. Krishnamurty was the Indian w'keeper. SMG had
>his dream debut scoring 774 runs in 4 Tests, averaging around 154.0,
>4 tons, including 220 and 124 in the same game at P. of Spain. POS, became 
>his happy hunting ground after Bombay. Dilip Sardesai also had
			  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
	- Before perhaps?  This was his debut series after all.

>a good series, probably his last. Does anyone remember, if he played in
>the 71/72 tour to England? I think he did play in England that season.

	-Yeah Sardee Maan was not as prolific in England in the summer
	of '71 (niether was Sunny Gavaskar for that matter) but he did
	play.  Infact he and Vishwanath had a crucial partnership at
	the Oval as India chased 170+ to win and were in some trouble.
	That may have been his swansong (I'm not sure if he played against
	Tony Lewis' team to India in '72-'73).  He was definitely not 
	associated with the "Summer of 42" fiasco.

							- Vaibhav.


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From: kre@cs.mu.oz.au (Robert Elz)
Subject: Re: Excitement and Controversy
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 19:50:57 GMT

In <27JUL199216185917@vxcrna.cern.ch> hasan@vxcrna.cern.ch  writes:

| Mike Selvey writes,

|         When Gooch had made 13 of the 37  ...
|         he attempted to take
|         a second run to Waqar at long leg and was still 
|         perhaps two feet short of the crease when the return
|         came in and Moin Khan whipped off the bails.

|         ... it was a horrendous decision by Palmer.

No it wasn't.

Why do people always assume that because they can see that the
batsmen was out when they view a slow motion replay that the
umpire has made a mistake.

Remember that batsmen are supposed to be given the benefit of the doubt,
2 feet short (and running) gives the umpire very little time to shift
his attention from the keeper taking the ball and cleanly breaking the
stumps (remember that the umpire does have to watch that) to where the
batsman is - there is very likely to be some doubt.

I only got to see this one once, very brifly (it was about all Aus TV
showed of the match...) and it didn't look to be a bad decision to me.
Certainly Gooch was out of his ground, but he wasn't a long way out.

kre
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Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 03:58:55 CDT
From: <U28765@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject:    Pakistani Players Use Filthy Language!?

Salam to Everyone:

I have been "led" to the impression that Pakistani players use filthy
Punjabi words on the field and do so in large, liberal quantities. I
am curious as to how true that is ........

Sources:
1) A book by Kapil Dev (1987?) goes into great detail on how the above
   happened when the Indian team would bat in Pakistan.

2) A recent post of an article by Sunil Gavaskar discussing Pakistani
   cricket team's winning mentality included an excerpt about how the
   above occurred during Pakistan's tour of India where JM scored 280.


Asif the Asymptote
Chicago
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From: pvr@argo.rice.edu (PVR Narasimha Rao)
Subject: Re: Andhra v Hyd farce (1990) (Re: Ranji Trophy Rules)
Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 04:14:53 GMT


I used "bonus points" instead of "bonus runs" in quite a few places
in my article. I am sorry if it caused any confusion (as there is a
big difference between the two).


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From: khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Is It True?
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:55:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.55303
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  Some one just told me that ina recent county game in England,the captain
  of Hampshire after being given out by the umpires persuaded the umpires 
  in letting him bat again. I just want to know if this happend or not or is
  it just hog wash.

  Laters


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     Lahori (LHL 111) Poond
From: Alastair.T.Clarke@cm.cf.ac.uk (Alastair Clarke)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Neutral Umpires ---> Pick your own !
Date: 29 Jul 92 10:19:58 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff

In article <1992Jul28.152522.13876@julian.uwo.ca> raza@surya.ccs.uwo.ca (Mr. Raza Syed) writes:
>In world cup there were some bad/wrong decision by the umpires at different
>times and different matches, but there was no hue or cry raised by the
>teams/players......

I wasn't aware of this until a few days ago, but apparantly two players did 
raise a hue and cry over decisions by neutral umpires in the World Cup.  It
seems that Aamir Sohail and Moin Khan were both fined for showing dissent.
(Does anyone know the details?)

So much for third country umpires being the answer to all of crickets problems!

:-)

Alastair
From: cdcs@st-andrews.ac.uk (Colin D. C. Steele)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: SR Tendulkar
Date: 23 Jul 92 10:23:35 GMT
Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland.


I've received various requests for info about how SRT has been doing for
Yorkshire this year. I've put this summary together from memory as it's
difficult to find averages etc. unless the player is in the top 20 or so.
SRT has played in most of Yorkshire's matches since he arrived missing one
with a minor injury. He hasn't scored a century (yet) but has got to 50 about
5 times with a highest score of 93 and a couple of others over 80 and he's 
also had a number of scores in the forties or high-thirties. I think he's
probably averaging in the low thirties but I'm sure that figure will go up 
before the end of the season.
He took a few wickets early on but hasn't bowled much of late.


CDC
From: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: Double Internationals
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:59:59 GMT
Reply-To: wakankar@egr.msu.edu (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: Michigan State University
Originator: wakankar@frith.egr.msu.edu

There was a player by the name of John Walker who played cricket for NZ. and also ran track. I think he held the record for a mile for some time.
Can anyone confirm this


Parag`
From: sobitha@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Sobitha W Samaranayake)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: T4 D4 After lunch
Date: 26 Jul 92 13:59:43 GMT
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Pak 2nd In 212 allout
Malik 84 n.o
Mallender(sp) 5wts

England 27/1
Gooch 19 n.o
From: 10702946@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (PARTH DESAI)
Subject: fans' brawl
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 04:02:37 GMT

a charity match between india and pak was called off after a brawl erupted 
in the stands between rival fans.the match was to raise funds for imran's 
hospital.both teams had a good line up but the fans marched onthe pitch on
4 occasions.the scores at the end of play
india 
4/220
gavaskar 47
kapil dev 133 off 97 balls
pakistan chasing
4/152
7.4 overs still to go.
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From: andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad)
Subject: Re: Question on No Ball
Organization: Morgan Stanley - IS
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:20:19 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.172540@axion.bt.co.uk>, dgrove@axion.bt.co.uk (David Grove) writes:
|> 
|> In article 20132 andyc@is.morgan.com (Andrew Coad) writes:
|> 
|> >I recently called "No Ball" on the first delivery of the game because the >bowler [ etc, etc ]
|> 
|> 
|> Technically it'd appear that you were perfectly correct. However, it strikes me
|> as being within the spirit of the game for the umpire to initially *ask* the 
|> bowler what his action is and then only call a no-ball should the bowler
|> change his action without first informing the umpire!!

Tee hee! Your next posting was about running out the non-striker - a deed you see no problem with.

|> 
|> Furthermore, it's necessary for the umpire to know the action to enable him to
|> indicate visibly to the bowler with a raised arm that play may not commence
|> whilst the batsman is taking guard, inspecting the field, etc.
|> 
Not at all. A bowler could declare "right arm over" and bowl left arm round.

|> I'm sure I'd be less than impressed should I be bowling and have a no-ball
|> called under such circumstances (however, up to now I've always declared my
|> action).
|> 
The bowler in question was not impressed either - but then, I didn't like him.

AC

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From: diwadkva@ctrvx2.vanderbilt.edu (Vaibhav A. Diwadkar)
Subject: Hick in India ....(was Re: England 2nd Innings)
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In article <92210.135601SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu>, 
Spaceman Spiff <SXK129@psuvm.psu.edu> writes...

>however, england will probably make 600 or more each time with hick, if
>he is selected, finally getting among the runs with a couple of 100s/200s
> 

	- Like you I fear the worst as well.  It does depend though.  Presently
	its not clear to me whether Hick's failing is thru temperament or 
	genuine technical failings.  Last summer when Waqar was mowing down
	the county opposition, Hick scored 140+ against Surrey albeit he was 
	ultimately bowled by Waqar.  He has played some innings in recent
	county games under great pressure, carrying the entire Worcs batting
	on his shoulders.  Tests are ofcourse a dramatically different story.
	
	- Earlier this year in New Zealand when the 
	English batting was really running rough shod over the Kiwis, Hick
	again was a singular exception.  I mean it just could be that this
	guy is completely overwhelmed by the ambience which persists during
	a test and just may not succeed at all.  He wouldn't be the first
	you know, Indian nettors can easily recall tons of Ranji trophy
	champion bats who repeatedly failed in the test arena.

	- He also seems unable to read leg spin.  I don't know whether
	a Hirwani can give him the kind of bother a Mushtaq can.  In
	addition Prabhakar and Kapil are pretty intelligent bowlers and
	might manage to probe him suitably.  I think he failed against 
	India in the WCup and I don't know if he played against the
	Indian tourists in '90.

	- I guess Hick's competence against India may be a moot point.
	If they indeed choose to play him at #7 that means India will
	need to bag 5 wkts before he gets to the crease and on cursory
	reflection it seems like India did not quite bag 5 wkts all 
	summer in '90.  Remember Morris who went to Oz later that year
	simply cause he never batted against India and therefore 
	never did anything to cause his omission?

	- While I do empathize with Hick, my empathy excludes situations
	where he plays India. :-)  In any case, its only a three test 
	series, how many runs can he possibly make?


							- Vaibhav.
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From: sagrawal@cco.caltech.edu (Sanjay Kumar Agrawal)
Subject: England's run chase
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 13:57:16 GMT

England are 27 for 1. Atherton(?) just trapped lbw by Waqar.
From: bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.cricket
Subject: Re: I am a neo-nazi
Keywords: I am Perfect
Date: 27 Jul 92 09:41:12 GMT
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In article <25JUL199216262967@rosie.uh.edu> inde789@rosie.uh.edu (Challa, Dinshaw S.) writes:
>	To all inferior races:   
>
>[gibberish deleted]

Looks like someone left their terminal unlocked when they went to the loo.

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From: hasan@vxcrna.cern.ch (LAUGHING LEPer)
Subject: Re: Three umpires at a cricket match
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:44:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.215352.1204@unislc.uucp>, ramana@unislc.uucp (Ramana Ramachandran) writes...
> 
>A few random thoughts ...
>Iam highly skeptical about "rotating the umpires" concept.The idea that
>fatigue will be reduced is all crap.An International umpire ought to have
>it.But the main reason Iam against it that there wont be consistency in
>umpiring.Every (fair) umpire has a bias while calling certain
>subjective calls like "wide".The players accept that as long as there is
>consistency in these calls throughout the match.Human nature being unique,
>what we will be witnessing will be different standards of umpiring which
>takes away a little bit of the "fairness" from the game.
>

All human beings (and this includes the umpires :-)) are known
to be consistently inconsistent. Btw, are you an AI man? :-)

>Let me reiterate Iam NOT against an 3rd umpire but simply against the 
>concept of rotating the umpires.
> 
>ramana ramachandran
>ramana@unislc.slc.unisys.com
> 
>PS: Does any other game have this ridiculous concept of rotating the 
>umpires during a game????
> 
> 
	-Hasan