HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bediger@nyx.cs.du.edu (bruce allen ediger)
Subject: Re: CAN WE REALLY BE SURE THAT...
Followup-To: alt.religion.kibology
Summary: NOW IT CAN BE TOLD!!!
X-Disclaimer: I'm Not Kibo Or Craig Shergold
Keywords: William, S, Burroughs
Organization: Flat Shergold Society
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 02:14:35 GMT

In article <BuJzy2.Avs@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
>
>I'll trade you the LISP version of my soul if you'll fix it so it
>doesn't make doctor.el dump core.
>						-- K.


I take this as Proof Positive that most, if not all of the posters to
alt.religion.kibology, INCLUDING KIBO HIMSELF, are just cheap AI simulacra.

This whole bboard is just some kind of bizarre "Turing Test" inflicted on 
Usenet by the NSA "grep for all subversive materials" AI that has been
looking at Usenet stuff for the last 10 years.  Imagine how warped you'd
be if your only sensory input was NSA policy media and Usenet.  It explains
_everything_ even infuriating dorks like Charles Lasner, Gary Stollman and
Stefan A. Warner.
Xref: sparky alt.religion.kibology:3797 alt.fan.harry-mandel:4 alt.postmodern:2380
From: sramming@athena.mit.edu (Scott '~ibo' Ramming)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology,alt.fan.harry-mandel,alt.postmodern
Subject: OK, you know what to do next
Date: 14 Sep 92 03:07:50 GMT
Followup-To: alt.religion.kibology,misc.test,alt.fan.harry-mandel,alt.postmodern,alt.sex.bondage,talk.bizarre,alt.imploding.kibo,alt.noise,alt.sex.wizards
Organization: Maybe It'll Take five seconds

crap

~ibo
--
the nonibo -ibo
M. Scott Ramming  
Cambridge MA 02139
From: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Kibo moved!
Date: 5 Sep 92 21:36:27 GMT
Organization: Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139
In-reply-to: csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu's message of 4 Sep 92 15:30:39 GMT

In article <1992Sep4.153039.26678@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu writes:
>So Kibo has moved from Dartmouth St. (boo hoo)
>But where are you living now, oh kibological one?

   In B1FF's house (in his toilet really).
From: klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Help Kibo Redesign His Business Card
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:33:13 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University College of Stunt Piloting

In article <BuJynI.8sF@world.std.com> kibo@world.std.com writes:
>[]
>	I've just finished designing the front of my stunning new
>over-designed business card (it'll be five colors, glossy, two-sided,
>because it's going to be printed in the margins of another press job.)
>However, I can't quite decide what to fill the back with.  I need
>something which is slightly pretentious, slightly tacky, and positively
>weird--these are requirements for any designer's self-promotion.
>
>	The colors available on the back will be (in high gloss) black,
>very deep blue (Pantone Reflex Blue C), and maybe a little white.  (The
>color scheme is to put as much black on the stuff as possible, since I'm
>sick of white cards. :-))  Here are some ideas I've been playing around
>with:
>
>	a)  Photo of me in a gas mask and riot helmet, printed in blue
>on black.  My favorite idea, but I haven't been able to get a photograph
>with enough contrast yet (ever try to photograph someone's face through
>two layers of plastic and rubber?)  Very nineties.  Very scary and
>memorable.  
>
>	b)  A bunch of squished bugs from around the pool.
>
>	c)  Samples of typeface designs.  Boring.  But useful.
>
>	d)  Footprints.  Reduced size, of course.  That sort of spoils
>that idea.
>
>	Any other suggestions?  And no, I will not consider xeroxing my butt.

Go over to talk.bizarre and get a Xerox(R) of gypsy's h00ters.

>	One other idea I had, since you can gang-up quite a few cards
>per sheet printed (for instance, on a press that's sheet-fed 8.5x11
>paper, you can print eight or ten different cards at once) was to have
>them assemble into a jigsaw puzzle.  I had it worked out so that you
>could arrange a matched set of ten cards into either a frieze of type
>samples or a picture of me (two colors for the two images, but each is
>divided across the cards differently.)  The catch is that then I'd have
>to give people ten cards, and it would annoy them, and I wouldn't be
>able to jam the cards in margins of other random jobs to get them
>printed cheaply.  OK, so the jigsaw-puzzle idea is out.  But I can still
>print multiple variations of the card if we can figure out more than one
>interesting way to do it.  Suggest, people, suggest.  :-)
>
>							-- K.
Do the puzzle bit!  Then people would trabe their cards to get a whole 
set!  "Kibo" would become the biggest name in trading cards!  Stringy-haired
black-T-shirted skateboardiers everywhere would know your name! 


-- 
Jeff Klein             | "Happily, Ral doffs his outer clothing for a
Browsing Boy of the LNH|  refreshing dip in one of the dangerous 
klein@kira.egr.msu.edu |  chemical vats." - Ty Templeton 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: anniversary
Reply-To: kibo@world.std.com
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 07:24:25 GMT

[]
	In exactly seven years (September 13, 1999), the Moon will be
torn out of Earth orbit by a massive nuclear explosion, and will be
hurled into space.  Red alert!

	I know it's true, I saw it on TV, in the seventies.

								-- K.

Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology,alt.slack
From: jfw@jfwhome.FUNHOUSE.COM (John F. Woods)
Subject: Re: Arthur C. Clarke - L. Ron Hubbard Bar Bet
Organization: Misanthropes-R-Us
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 14:11:32 GMT

In <#97yvvj@rpi.edu> kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak) writes:
> As several people have pointed out, this isn't exactly the way it happened. 
>However, it is well known that Kibology and the Church of the SubGenius resulted
>from a bet between Kibo and J.R. "Bob" Dobbs to see who could create the cult 
>with the most slack. The jury's still out on the winner.

However, the jury is getting tired, and the winner still hasn't gotten off,
so it's not clear what happens next.
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology,alt.fan.dan-quayle
From: dquayle@usaf2.wash.gov (Just a heart-beat away)
Subject: note to kibo
Originator: news@usaf2.wash.gov
Organization: NSA, were there, uh, with you
X-Newsreader: QRN (rn with integrated quayle-speller)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 00:15:30 GMT

AHEM, Mr. "kibo"

I have poured over all of my references and regret to inform you that
your infamous alias is misspelled.

For the record:  IT'S "kiboe"

My apologies for any controversy suurounding this announcement.

--
The big JDQ
No email neccessary, NSA's grep far outshines "kiboe's"
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Help Kibo Redesign His Business Card
Reply-To: kibo@world.std.com
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 05:16:30 GMT

[]
	I've just finished designing the front of my stunning new
over-designed business card (it'll be five colors, glossy, two-sided,
because it's going to be printed in the margins of another press job.)
However, I can't quite decide what to fill the back with.  I need
something which is slightly pretentious, slightly tacky, and positively
weird--these are requirements for any designer's self-promotion.

	The colors available on the back will be (in high gloss) black,
very deep blue (Pantone Reflex Blue C), and maybe a little white.  (The
color scheme is to put as much black on the stuff as possible, since I'm
sick of white cards. :-))  Here are some ideas I've been playing around
with:

	a)  Photo of me in a gas mask and riot helmet, printed in blue
on black.  My favorite idea, but I haven't been able to get a photograph
with enough contrast yet (ever try to photograph someone's face through
two layers of plastic and rubber?)  Very nineties.  Very scary and
memorable.  

	b)  A bunch of squished bugs from around the pool.

	c)  Samples of typeface designs.  Boring.  But useful.

	d)  Footprints.  Reduced size, of course.  That sort of spoils
that idea.

	Any other suggestions?  And no, I will not consider xeroxing my butt.

	One other idea I had, since you can gang-up quite a few cards
per sheet printed (for instance, on a press that's sheet-fed 8.5x11
paper, you can print eight or ten different cards at once) was to have
them assemble into a jigsaw puzzle.  I had it worked out so that you
could arrange a matched set of ten cards into either a frieze of type
samples or a picture of me (two colors for the two images, but each is
divided across the cards differently.)  The catch is that then I'd have
to give people ten cards, and it would annoy them, and I wouldn't be
able to jam the cards in margins of other random jobs to get them
printed cheaply.  OK, so the jigsaw-puzzle idea is out.  But I can still
print multiple variations of the card if we can figure out more than one
interesting way to do it.  Suggest, people, suggest.  :-)

							-- K.

Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Viruses: was(Re: aids started by cia?)
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 04:43:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.154507.15250@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) writes:
>kibo knows what i'm talking about.

But do I know what I'm talking about?  Nooooooo.

						-- K.
From: bn244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth White)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Viruses: was(Re: aids started by cia?)
Date: 10 Sep 1992 19:01:06 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bn244@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Ruth White)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) says:

>ObKibo: the 'std' in kibo's email address stands for sexually transmitted
>disease... (i thought that might get us back to the subject of the original 
>post.)

Oh my, and all this time I thought it was short for 'stud'.
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
From: aaron@space.ualberta.ca (Aaron Humphrey)
Subject: Re: Help Kibo Redesign His Business Card
Reply-To: aaron@space.ualberta.ca
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 18:15:54 GMT

mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) writes:
: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:
: 
: >[]
: >	I've just finished designing the front of my stunning new
: >over-designed business card (it'll be five colors, glossy, two-sided,
: >because it's going to be printed in the margins of another press job.)
: >However, I can't quite decide what to fill the back with.  I need
: >something which is slightly pretentious, slightly tacky, and positively
: >weird--these are requirements for any designer's self-promotion.
: 
: A microdot bearing your .sig .
: 
: Oh, you mean physically possible designs.
: 
: How about a fried egg?  I've associated them with you ever since
: that fine ascii portrait with the rising Spot circulated a while
: ago.
: 
: A diagram of the human lymphatic system.
: 
: A steam iron made of Swiss cheese.
: 
: Deep blue polka dots on a black background.
: 
: A cornucopia spilling cans of succotash.
: 
: A naked mole rat.

I'd just like to mention here that "molerat", as one word, turned up in the
one and only game of "Ghoulies" that I played, a couple of years ago.  We kept
having to refer to the dictionary to find out if there were any words that
began with a given sequence of letters--and usually there was, but it was a
word we'd never heard before.  ("Tyrannicide" was another one.)  Anyway, I
still have the list of words somewhere, unless I lost it.

--
---Alfvaen(Canadian SF Quasi-Activist)
"It was a feeling like camphor running through my tubes..."
Current Album--The Fixx:Walkabout
Current Read--Robert Heinlein:The Past Through Tomorrow
From: kschwab@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kerry Schwab)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
Subject: We are following an expired plan!
Date: 12 Sep 92 01:01:01 GMT
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system... blah blah


> finger kibo@world.std.com

>world -- The World -- Public Access UNIX -- SUN 4/380 SUNOS 4.1.2
>  1:20pm  up 13:52,  37 users,  load average: 14.75, 14.41, 13.38
>
>kibo.James "Kibo" Parry  Login Mon 14-Sep-92 3:16AM from dialup 
>739-9753{tty03}
>  [1546,1546]  </users/kibo>;  Group: kibo
>  Groups: compilers kibo
>
>  kibo has new mail as of Mon 14-Sep-92 9:52AM
>  last read Mon 14-Sep-92 3:40AM
>
>  Plan: (last modified Sat 6-Apr-91 10:18PM)
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	"Whoever dies with the most fonts, wins."

Time for a new .plan. I think they expire a year after conception.

--
Kerry Schwab
kschwab@nyx.cs.du.edu
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: anniversary
Date: 13 Sep 92 18:44:07 GMT

kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) writes:

>[]
>	In exactly seven years (September 13, 1999), the Moon will be
>torn out of Earth orbit by a massive nuclear explosion, and will be
>hurled into space.  Red alert!

Yes!  And it'll be propelled by said explosion to assorted star
systems, and it'll stop at each one for just long enough to get
in a full episode!  

>	I know it's true, I saw it on TV, in the seventies.

The events in _Ubik_ took place this summer.  I was in San Francisco
when S. Dole Melipone disappeared.

_Valis_ begins with a quote from the "Great Soviet Encyclopedia,
1992 edition."  Perhaps it was a typo.
 
-- 
Matt McIrvin, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Pythagorean Reform Church
From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin)
Date: 5 Sep 92 15:03:18 GMT

lizi@ocf.berkeley.edu (Cosma R. Shalizi) writes:

>And besides, you know that the TRUE holy
>number is not 4 but 137!!! 

Be more accurate when speaking of such things, or face the wrath of
a wronged and vengeful Reddy Kilowatt!  The True Holy Number is
closer to 137.036, and becomes smaller at high energies!

-- 
Matt McIrvin, Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA 
Xref: sparky alt.religion.computers:713 comp.human-factors:2119 comp.windows.misc:1361 comp.windows.news:641
From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.human-factors,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 7 Sep 92 22:22:30 GMT
Followup-To: alt.religion.computers
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

>Irrelevant.  Many documents, such as TRs, are "published" as Postscript
>via FTP.  Flame about it if you like, but it's a fact of life.

But it's the logical way to do it.  If they had some macwrite or word
or frame format, it's not going to be very usable by a large group of
people.

-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
  - Grad school - just say no.
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers
Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 09:16:16 -0400 
From: Faisal Nameer Jawdat <fj05+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
	<37825@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>

djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:
> Although, if the assumption is made (as seems true on the mac) that
> only programs generate postscript, and only postscript will be sent to
> a postscript printer, and any postscript saved is strictly on a
> temporary basis, then it might be safe to violate this convention.
...
> >that decision *must* be made by the user somehow.
> No, that decision only has to be made in very rare cases.
> 

What several mac developers have all said about the extent of what you
can do with the mac is that the mac is only as good as the software
that runs on it (as opposed to unix, which is only as good as the os -
the software is all at your disposal - on the mac you use the software
- shady definition) or as one put it 'Everything works to the extent
that it wants to: generally you don't have too much of a choice in the
matter."
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From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.human-factors,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:22:31 GMT
Followup-To: alt.religion.computers
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

>However, instead of using your PC as an
>intermediate step, you could use some of the terrific Macintosh shareware
>software such as XferIt, StuffIt Expander and so forth to download files on
>your Mac directly.

What if the Mac is at home, and the PC at work is the only thing with
a floppy?  (assuming that taking a floppy home is much more convenient
that long hours trying to download with a modem while all your roomates
complain that the phone is tied up)

-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
    Where am I?  In the village...  What do you want?  Information...
From: ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers
Subject: One thing GUIs haven't got...
Date: 7 Sep 92 11:07:02 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium, London


GUIs don't have one very useful productivity tool, which they probably could
never gain.. the {type,click}-ahead buffer.

How many times have you typed into a cli several lines of commands whilst
the first is still running?

Surely, this makes a CLI far quicker for an expert who knows exactly what
he/she wants do do, and how to do it.

Steve
--
Addresses:-
JANET:-		ucacmsu@uk.ac.ucl or	steve@uk.ac.ox.earth (preferable)
Internet:-	ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk or	steve@earth.ox.ac.uk (preferable)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers
From: edcrwfrd@unlv.edu (Edward Crawford)
Subject: Re: One thing GUIs haven't got...
Organization: UNLV
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 02:15:53 GMT

>>>

GUIs don't have one very useful productivity tool, which they probably
could
never gain.. the {type,click}-ahead buffer.

How many times have you typed into a cli several lines of commands
whilst
the first is still running?

Surely, this makes a CLI far quicker for an expert who knows exactly
what
he/she wants do do, and how to do it.

Steve
<<<

Macs have type and click ahead buffers... and it comes in very
useful in many tasks. (moving large graphics for one)

Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.human-factors,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x
From: lhp@daimi.aau.dk (Lasse Hiller|e Petersen)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.human-factors,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Keywords: Mac, Window, Throw
Date: 6 Sep 92 18:47:41 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:

>"Ken Rawlings" <krawling@banana.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>>         There are two relatively simple things that I want to do on a Mac tha
>> I _still_ have no idea how to do, even after reading all of the info-mac
>> digests, and using Mac's extensively. 

I think this is a result of flawed marketing, not of the GUI.
You don't really learn to use a Mac (or anything else, for that matter)
without reading the manuals, or at least devote a lot of time to thorough
exploration. Apple's claim that you can learn to use a Mac in an hour is
a little bit exaggerated.

>> 
>>         #1: Send a postscript file to the printer. Just shove that baby down
>>             the serial connection to the printer.

>Run the SendPS program.  Select the file from the file selector.  Click OK.
>There, that wasn't too hard, was it?

>What, you don't have the SendPS program?  Of course Apple don't provide it on
>the system disks. Believe it or not, fooling around with intermediate printer
>dump files is not something most users want to do.

Ahem. On the "Tidbits" disk, there is an application called
"LaserWriter Font Utility". Accomplishes #1 quite well, I'd say.
I think this is the reason SendPS was never updated to work correctly
with System 7. I never looked, but I guess "LaserWriter Font Utility" is
documented in the manual. It has Balloons help too, of course.
It *is* badly and inappropriately named, though.

>We don't all use US Legal size paper, you know.
So true. (As is all the rest of your article, which I deleted.)

>And try asking "How can I do this..." rather than saying "The Mac is crap
>because it can't do this..." -- you'll get better responses and look less
>ignorant.
(This deserved to be repeated.)
--
Lasse Hiller|e Petersen            ! "Was der Poebel ohne Gruende einst glauben
lhp@daimi.aau.dk - Inf.&Media Sci. ! lernte, wer koennte ihm durch Gruende
Aarhus University, DENMARK         ! Das -- umwerfen?" -Nietzsche
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From: djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.human-factors,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:27:08 GMT
Followup-To: alt.religion.computers
Organization: =CSE Dept., U.C. San Diego

>And very irritating it is too.  Even when I had access to a Postscript
>printer, I used to get godawful results when I printed such "published"
>documents, as I was using standard A4 paper.

Huh?  Shouldn't American sized paper should fit onto A4 easily?  I
know "legal" sized won't, but no one uses that.  The only thing I can
think of that leads to "godawful results" is that the bottom of the
page isn't used.  I run across a lot of A4 stuff that won't fit on
American paper (it's too long, but width is ok) - but that is fixed
(with some grumbling) by editing the postscript.

>It just demonstrates once again the parochialism of Americans.

Ah, you've had a bad experience with one in the past I see...
-- 
Darin Johnson
djohnson@ucsd.edu
    Where am I?  In the village...  What do you want?  Information...
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.human-factors,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: GUIs Considered Harmful
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 17:25:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep5.071715.9958@b11.b11.ingr.com> billj@b11.b11.ingr.com (Bill Jones) writes:
> So sorry. We've had a widespread GUI for eight years (Mac) with other
> GUIs gaining acceptance only recently. X Windows about five, OL 
> about the same, Motif about 3-4, Windows ONLY TWO YEARS.

Hmmm. I was using Windows in 1985 or 1986. No later than that, because
I got my Amiga 1000 later and it was early '87 I got that.

OL and Motif are not GUIS. They're style guides for the X GUI.

What about Intuition, or the Xerox Star system?

> Until we get
> an inkling of a consensous, I want NO standardization.

Agreed. And what needs to be standardized isn't the UI, it's the API. Virtually
all GUIs today have too low a level of API... you should comunicate with the
display manager (X server, what have you) in terms of large basic objects like
menus and text regions.

OL and Motif *pretend* to do that, but it's smoke and mirrors. Your application
is still responsible for managing your window in low level detail. See what
happens if you break out of MainLoop for a while.

> I went to an X Conference and eavesdropped on three guys arguing about
> the proper way to drag and drop. There's no clear way to do this
> relatively simple-sounding operation.

The way to do drag and drop is to tell the display manager "I have some stuff
that can be selected" and then wait for it to ask for it. Then the user can
load up the display manager that does drag and drop the way he wants.

Standardization is important, it just has to be done in the right area.
-- 
Peter da Silva                                               `-_-'
Ferranti Intl. Ctls. Corp.                                    'U` 
Sugar Land, TX  77487-5012
+1 713 274 5180                                   Har du kramat din varg idag?
Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.misc,comp.windows.news,comp.windows.x,comp.human-factors