HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wayne@gbrmpa.gov.au (Wayne Amisano)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: THE MOST TASTELESS OS (MSDOS)
Keywords: Unknown
Date: 22 Aug 92 02:51:19 GMT
Organization: Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority

georged@sequent.com (George Dolbier) writes:

>In article <1992Aug21.231603.3615@darwin.ntu.edu.au> nunn@nutmeg.cs.ntu.edu.au (JsNO  BAR---NUNN) writes:

>Your-a preachin' to d quier brother.

>But you forget. MSDOS is NOT an operating system. It is a very good
>SYSTEM MONITOR!! 
>>

[DISCUSSION about DOS, Multitasking, BIOS and FS deleted]

>>
>>
>>CONCLUSION:
>>
>>  Microsoft!!....invent UNIX and make it free. The UNIX system is perfect,
>>nothing bets UNIX. UNIX rules the world and UNIX was implemented properly!.
>>If you can't do that, give us the source code for messy. At least that way,
>>32 bits hackers can built it 32 bits.

>I guess you have not really looked at the guts of unix have you.... 
>You should not open yourself to snipers by comparing DOS to UNIX. They are
>just not compareable.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Bit like trying to compare champions from different era's.  It can't be done.

cul 73's de wayne.

-- 
Wayne Amisano (VK4KT)     _-_|\\    E-Mail - wayne@gbrmpa.gov.au
Great Barrier Reef       /     \\   Phone  - +61 77 81 8861 (GMT+1000)
Marine Park Authority.   \_.-._/    Fax    - +61 77 72 6093
Our's to use Wisely!          v     Mail   - GPO Box 1379, Townsville QLD 4810
From: june@f308.n133.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Ed June)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: '386/'486 hardware flaw
Date: 16 Aug 92 10:08:47 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:133/308 - Information Overloa, Riverdale GA

On <Aug 16 00:26>, WarFish of 1:133/411 wrote to All:

 W> From: warwick@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (WarFish)
 W> Date: 12 Aug 92 05:13:47 GMT
 W> Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
 W> Message-ID: <9222515.21373@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
 W> Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.binaries.ib
 W> m.pc.d


 W> (Thanks to all those who have mailed me suggestions for finding a 
 W> fix - I will respond to each when I have tried some of them out 
 W> and am logged on from home so I can give specific answers to 
 W> questions)

 W>                                 WarFish (Sengyo)

PLEASE keep us up to date with this. 
Is that test file available on dial up bbs for us non ftpable ones?


--  
Ed June

Fidonet:   1:133/308, Atlanta's OS/2 Users Group BBS, 404-471-1549
Internet:  ed_june@over.mind.org
Internet:  june@gisatl.fidonet.org
UUCP:      ...!emory!uumind!overmind!ed_june
UUCP :     ...!gatech!warlord!gisatl!308!june
From: f89ba@efd.lth.se (Bengt Ask)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Memory interleave and page mode with Headland chipset
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:28:18 GMT
Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden

I have a 33 MHz 386SX with a Headland HT-18C chipset and
8 MB of memory (8*1MB SIMMs) in four banks. The manual only
speaks in general terms, but says the chipset supports page
mode and 2-way interleaving, and 4 bank 4-way interleave mode.

  * Does the chipset automatically use the best interleave
    mode depending on the number of banks? There is no entry
    in the setup to control this.
  * Since I know my SIMMs support page mode operation, is it likely
    that this feature is actually used? As with the interleave, there
    is no way to enable the function manually. BTW, almost all DRAM
    chips I have come across do, according to the data sheets, support
    page mode operation, so page mode operation shouldn't be very
    exotic.
  * Sometimes the Landmark v. 2.0 test shows a speed rating of
    41 MHz, and sometimes, depending on where in memory the Landmark test 
    is loaded, it drops to 30 MHz. Similarly, PC Tools 5.0 speed rating is
    sometimes 1460% and sometimes 1660% (of the original PC:s speed). 
    Is this an effect of interleave or page mode operation?
  * Although a 66 MHz X-tal is used, all programs (Checkit and others)
    report a clock speed of only 31.8 MHz. I have actually measured
    the frequency at the clock input of the CPU, and it IS only about 
    63.7 MHz. Why is it so and is this a normal behavior? In the 
    "non-turbo" 8.25 MHz mode, the clock input is exactly 16.5 MHz,
    which is what one would expect.

If anyone has Headland's fax number, could you pass it
on to me?

Please email any replies.

  Bengt Ask, Lund Institute of Technology, Lund, Sweden
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)
Subject: Re: OS/2, VERY cool!
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 00:21:47 GMT

>Mike,
>  Apparently  you don't think much about the way U7 was implemented.  It uses
>a proprietary memory manager that doesn't get along with ANYTHING except 
>plain vanilla DOS.  Try running U7 with QEMM386 running.  Now try it with
>386MAX running.  Now try it with DOS 5.0 Himem and EMM386 running.  Notice a
>pattern yet?  Try it under Windoze.  Try it under DR DOS 6.0s mem manager. 
>If you pay attention, it won't work with any of them!  Game companies should
>stick to making games, not reinventing the memory manager.  
>  As to your assertion that OS/2 won't run games that tax the hardware, how
>about Falcon 3.0D?  It runs under OS/2 just dandy, because it uses an already
>established standard for memory management.  As a matter of fact many games
>not only run well under OS/2, they run better than they do under DOS!

	The problem is, it looks like games that implement some wierd
   memory management scheme or other type of customization are on the 
   rise.  Look at Links386 Pro, it won't work under OS2 either.  If 
   Origin used a special memory manager for Ultima 7, I think they will
   probably use one for Strike Commander, and probably for WC 3.  It 
   really stinks that you won't be able to play these games with OS2.

							G.Greene

>  
>
>  Marty
>    roeschmf@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: daniels_d@apollo.HP.COM (Dave Daniels)
Subject: Dos5.0 and a Mouse
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:32:34 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA

 I am having a problem getting the Dos5.0 dosshell to
configure my logitech mouse.

According to the 5.0 manual I need to add the mouse.sys file
to my config.h file, which I did. When my system boots it gets
an error and says the mouse did not properly configure. Which makes
sense because I have not installed the mouse as of yet, The autoexec
file executes the gomouse batch routine after.  But when I load dosshell
the system hangs because it still will not recognize the mouse. Has any
one run into this problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

regards,
-Dave
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dave Daniels                           | 
daniels_d@apollo.hp.com                | "Life is a highway, and I wan't  
Hewlett Packard, Inc.                  |  to ride it all night long...."
(603) 772-1500
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: billb@crpmks.uucp (Bill Bochnik (Info Systems))
Subject: Re: OS/2, VERY cool!
Reply-To: billb@crpmks.UUCP (Bill Bochnik (Info Systems))
Organization: Ciba-Geigy Corporation
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 17:37:43 GMT

In article <165.2A8F4274@gisatl.fidonet.org> june@f308.n133.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Ed June) writes:
>On <Aug 14 20:44>, Mike McCole of 1:133/411 wrote to All:
>
> MM> From: mikem@travis.csd.harris.com (Mike McCole)
> MM> Date: 11 Aug 92 01:55:15 GMT
> MM> Organization: Harris Computer Systems Division, Fort Lauderdale, FL
> MM> Message-ID: <9167@travis.csd.harris.com>
> MM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
>
> MM> All good games run under dos, OS/2 will cause you untold
> MM> grief trying to run games, it can be done but you have to tweak
> MM> for every little wierdness your games come up with.
>
>Funny, as high speed connections to the bbs are doin' they're thing RELIABLY, I can play, at the same time, any dos game I care to.
>
>I love it!
>Oh, this on a 'low life' 20mHz '386 w/ 8mb memory...
>
>
>
>--
>Ed June
>
>Fidonet:   1:133/308, Atlanta's OS/2 Users Group BBS, 404-471-1549
>Internet:  ed_june@over.mind.org
>Internet:  june@gisatl.fidonet.org
>UUCP:      ...!emory!uumind!overmind!ed_june
>UUCP :     ...!gatech!warlord!gisatl!308!june

If you're playing timer specific games, like Shooting Gallery, uner OS/2 you 
will suffer from periodic cpu slowdowns ans spurts as the system does other 
things, robbing the DOS session of cycles.



-- 
Bill Bochnik			| It's hard to be a James Bond in an Abbott
Systems Analyst 		|	and Costello world.
Ciba-Geigy Corporation		| Signed and sealed, they deliver oblivion.
philabs!crpmks!billb		| It's worse than that, he's dead Jim.
From: fevrier@sunburn.ec.usf.edu. (Ian Fevrier (EE))
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: How hot can the 486-50 cpu run ?
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:26:47 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of South Florida, College of Engineering




Can someone tell me just how hot the 486-50 is supposed to run. 
I just got a 486-50 with 8 mb and a 256k cache and I am a little concerned 
about the heat it generates. It gets too hot to keep a finger pressed
against the 486 chip for more than 5 seconds. Is this normal ????
From: georgew@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (George Walker)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: How do I send a binary file to a printer?
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:12:50 GMT
Reply-To: georgew@tekig1.pen.tek.com
Distribution: na
Organization: Tektronix, Beaverton, Oregon, USA

I'm running Windows and I have a crummy printer, but I have access to
another PC running DOS that has a laser printer.  If I do a "print to file"
from my word processor under Windows, with the correct printer setup, and
then take that file to the DOS machine, how do I print the file?  My DOS
manual says that the DOS "print" command is only for text files.

Thanks for any help.

George.S.Walker@tek.com  *OR*  georgew@tekig1.pen.tek.com
*OR*  uunet!tektronix!tekig1.pen.tek.com!georgew
From: MARK@cbe.qut.edu.au (Mark Cramer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Compare utility
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:30:14 GMT
X-Unparsable-Date: 21 Aug 92 15:18:41 GMT+1000

>I am looking for a simple program which can compare files in a way
>slightly more powerful than WSUPDATE (from Novell) and COMP (from
>DOS).
>
>Basically I have a set of files that I want to keep updated on my
>client machines.  If the files need to be updated I want to copy the
>new version and reboot.
>
>WSUPDATE searches the entire client drive to find outdated copies,
>when all I want to search is a specific directory and a batch file
>with COMP is my last resort.

I can think of a couple of ways to do this, if the files are in the
same directories for each client, put the stuff in a zip file and use
"PKUNZIP -dno <zipname>", I've used this approach before & combined it
with a program called Earlier to check if the zipdate is later than the
last time the update program was run.  Or alternatively use the Dos 5.0
Replace command, put the files in the correct directory structure and use
Replace SourcePath\*.* C:\ /S /U, though I have found Replace does not
work reliably with a large (>200) files.  If you want I'll send you a
UuEncoded version of Earlier (& reboot if you want it).  I imagine there
are similar switches in Arj, Zoo and Lharc if you prefer these.

Update.bat

@Echo off
Earlier Client.Zip C:\Update.Dte
If Not ErrorLevel 2 Goto NoUpdate
C:
PkUnzip -Dno F:Client.Zip
Echo Date>UpDate.Dte
Reboot
:NoUpdate

Docs for Earlier

Usage:   Earlier file1 file2

Returns Errorlevel of:
            0 - file1 earlier than file2
            1 - file1 same date as file2
            2 - file1 later than file2
          255 - error, probably file not found


            +-----------------------------------------------+
            | Mark Cramer.                           /\_|\  |
            | Operations Manager,     CBE Section   / QUT>\ |
            | Queensland University of Technology  (  __  | |
            | Australia.      M.Cramer@qut.edu.au   --  \/  |
            | Ph. 07 8642073.     Fax 07 8641525.        v  |
            +-----------------------------------------------+
From: Steven_Swenson@bearsden.UUCP (Steven Swenson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Online Printing
Date: 16 Aug 92 07:02:05 GMT
Organization: The Bear's Den BBS   (715) 839-7997

Using a Citizens GSX130 printer with Telemate communications 
program and I'm having a problem with printing files while online. 
While online when I hit the "print screen" keyboard screen the 
printer prints out letters in a random fashion rather than the 
message posted on the terminal screen. Any thoughts relative to a 
solution to this problem? Currently running under DOS5.
Steve

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
From: duong@chestnut.chem.upenn.edu (Duc Duong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: [HELP] How to re-initialize floppy drive controller?
Date: 23 Aug 92 13:40:29 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Hello..

My little cousin just played some kind of games on my PC couple days ago,
but when I used it some how the 3.5" drive couldn't be recongnized when
I do: dir a: or dir b: I got the message, insert floppy disk in drive
A or drive B to continue..etc. So I think, the floppy drive controller
some how has been changed by the game. Could any one show me a good way
to reassign the drive correctly? E-mail please. Thank you very very
much. 

							duc
Xref: sparky comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:11420 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:21701 comp.sys.mac.misc:14735 comp.sys.mac.apps:13205 comp.sys.mac.hardware:15169
From: wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.hardware
Subject: PC printing to Mac printer on Ethernet: how?
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:34:06 GMT
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way

We currently have a group of Macs and one PC on an Ethernet network
connected to a bunch of Sun and DEC workstations.  The Macs are using
Ethertalk for printing and file sharing and Ethernet for MacTCP related
things.  We have an HP LaserJet IIISi currently hooked up to one of
our Macs, which is in turn running Liaison so all the other Macs can
print to it.  We would like to be able to print from the PC to the
HP.  What do we need to do?  I assume we need to run some sort of software
on at least the PC side, if not the Mac side as well.  Is there any
way we can use CAP (which we're currently using so our Unix machines can
print to the HP)?

Thanks in advance for any help given.
-- 
Bill "Whassamatter?!  Can't you take a joke?!" Barnes   wbarnes@sura.net
Disclaimer:  The author apologizes for any thought-provoking material he may
	     have accidentally included and promises not to do it again.
Datclaimer:  My employers wouldn't WANT to share some of my opinions.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc
From: lindemaj@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU (Andy Lindeman)
Subject: Re: Qemm + Stacker = Reboot?
Reply-To: lindemaj@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 04:34:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug6.234302.8605@hparc0.aus.hp.com>, doug@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Doug Parsons) writes:
>
>Read the Stacker manual about using QEMM's Optimize feature.  It is
>slightly convoluted, but is necessary because the C: drive is only the
>C: drive until the DEVICE=SSWAP line in config; then it is the D: drive
>and the compressed data file becomes C:.
>
>The manual tells you to exit optimize at certain steps, and copy files
>that are being used for the optimization.  I've done it on my pc and
>it works ok, provided that you follow the steps to the letter.
>
>douginoz.
>


There's an even better solution to this: get a "Qemm Optimize aware" version of
sswap on any simtel mirror in the /msdos/qemm directory!  Saves one hell of a
lot of hassle!  Andy



Andy Lindeman

lindemaj@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu  <- preferred address
ajlindem@ucs.indiana.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,netcom.software.ibm-pc
From: ekman@netcom.com (Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear)
Subject: Re: Sources for ARC/ZOO/LHARC?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 14:25:07 GMT
Organization: Home for the Terminally Infirm

In article <7j_n3rn.ladasky@netcom.com> ladasky@netcom.com (John J. Ladasky II) writes:
>Hi!
>
>	I'm trying to find one of the following compression/decompression
>utilities for the PC.
>
>	ZOO 2.1
>	LHARC
>	ARC
>
>	I'd especially like to find ARC.  Could some gracious netter kindly
>direct me to the nearest archive site?  Thanks in advance!

The following are available by anonymous ftp from
wsmr-simtel20.army.mil


PD1:<MSDOS.ZOO>
ZOO210.EXE     55721  8  910712  Dhesi's make/extract/view ZOO archives, 910712

PD1:<MSDOS.ARC-LBR>
ARCE40G.ZIP     9329  8  910416  V.Buerg's fast ARC extraction program

PD1:<MSDOS.ARC-LBR>
LHA213.EXE     44416  8  910807  LHA v2.13: LZH archive make/extract program


You can also get these files from the mirror sites wuarchive.wustl.edu
in directories mirrors/msdos/... and oak.oakland.edu in directories
pub/msdos/....
-- 
Crossly the Glad-Eyed Bear              ekman@netcom.com
Home for the Terminally Infirm, Redwood City, California
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
From: whittg@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (Graham B. Whitted Iv)
Subject: HELP w/ FAT error on floppy
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:39:58 GMT

I have a floppy which has had a physical error in the FAT, i used Norton
Disk Doctor to try to correct the problem.  I was told the problem was
corrected and the disk still useable, but a low-level format was suggested
I still can't read anything off the disk, and wonder what can be done so
that i can retrieve the info. Also, how do i give the disk a low-level
format, will that destroy the info on the disk?

thanxs in advance
whittg@rpi.edu
From: ejdeal@terri.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: 384-40 vs 486sx25
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:00:47 GMT
Reply-To: ...@cs.utexas.edu:ibmchs!auschs!terri.austin.ibm.com!ejdeal
Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division

In article <1992Aug18.210209.6191@sarah.albany.edu>,
pv9955@albnyvms.bitnet writes:
> 
> I know that a form of this question has apreared all over the net.  But this
> one is slightly different...
> I think that we will all agree that a 486dx2-50 is faster than a 486dx33, 
> with internal processing.  But it still operates at 25mHz for addressing the
> bus, and hard drive, whereas the 486dx33 operates at the faster 33mHz.
> So under the assumption that a 386-40 and a 486sx25 can process information
> at about the same speed (the 386 is faster, the 486 is more efficient),
> is is safe to assume that the 386-40 will access the bus (including hard 
> drive) faster than a 486 running at 25mHz ?
> For those people using Windows or OS2, which use a lot of virtual memory, and
> disk swapping, this question should be more important than internal
> processing.  I am about the buy a computer for OS2, and I would like to know
> which motherboard will handle the disk swapping better.
> 
> Thanks,
> Peter V.

Unfortunately, the question isn't as simple as the raw processor speed.
The motherboard choice and peripherals would likely be the
differentiating factor.

Since ISA motherboards all run between 6 and 12 MHz (depending on your
BIOS settings and how far you want to push the bus speed), both 
processors should have equal data transfer capabilities over the bus.
Now, you can improve the performance by selecting an EISA, MCA, or 
local bus motherboard, all of which should outperform ISA.  

I use OS/2 and just upgraded my system (motherboard change):

       was:                       is now:
     386-25 MHz                 486-33 MHz
     0K cache                   256K cache
     8 MB RAM (80ns)            8 MB RAM (70ns)

Both used the same 85 MB SCSI drive using INT 13 access under OS/2.
(Still waiting for the drivers  :-( ).

When running with my new motherboard, the main difference I see is
with screen update speeds and application performance.  Windows open
faster and everything is more fluid.  Unfortunately, the overall speed isn't
great because disk transfers are holding everything up!  
In comparison, I've seen OS/2 run on a 486-33 with 64K cache, 
4 MB RAM, and 85 Meg IDE.  Since IDE doesn't need the additional 
drivers this system ran as fast as mine simply because the disk 
transfer rates are higher.  EVEN WITH 4 MEG!  (NOTE:  I wasn't 
running a bunch of programs at once).

Please do not take my comments about SCSI and IDE to mean that
SCSI is inferior to IDE.  When the drivers become available,
my drive should be at least equivalent to a similar IDE.

I guess the moral of the story is you either get a fast disk or
more RAM (ie refill RAM faster or don't go to disk often) for best
performance.  Processor speed/performance relates primarily to
application performance.


Eric Deal
From: jliukkon@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Juha-Matti Liukkonen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: Device driver to stuff keyboard buffer
Date: 14 Aug 92 21:48:59 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Organization: University of Helsinki

My advice is: go for 4DOS by JP Software. It includes the KEYSTACK
program with this feature. Great stuff otherwise, too.
-- 
               Juha Liukkonen, aka jliukkon@cc.helsinki.fi
       University of Helsinki, Dept. of Paranormal Investigations
           "Trust me, I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc,comp.os.msdos.apps,connect.audit
From: derek@ibmpcug.co.uk (Derek Jones)
Subject: SSTOR Woes 8-( help....
X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this article are those of the author
	alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:00:11 GMT

I had another problem with my sstor drive yesterday (grrr). Most of the
time it works just fine. From time to time (it's happend twice now in the
space of a couple of months), a whole directory entry gets munged and neither
sstor's repair facility nor chkdsk will fix it. Now, the first time it happened
I used ndd (even though I know it says you shouldn't), and it worked
very well, recovered the files and dirs, (followed by unerase).

This time not even ndd would access the directory structure properly. It
offered to move it to another spot, which I accepted, and it then failed
all over.

PCTOOLS (v6) diskfix did the job however (Yeeeaahh!), *BUT* the sstor
stats now appear to be wrong. 8-( . All the data is still on the disk
(100Mb SCSI Harcard, [Time, UK]), but the disk stats report only
13Mb used, when I know that there's nearly "120Mb" roughly used of the
sstor container. Neither ssutil nor chkdsk report any errors in *anything*.
The system is working (perfectly?!?) happily, and my other 86 Mb IDE drive
is unaffected. (I boot DOS from the IDE drive).

Now, I guess it's something to do with a different cluster size used
by diskfix and sstor.  *ANY GUESSES* ?

Moreover, how do I get it fixed???
Flood gear at the ready......

Thanks

Derek.

Derek Jones.

System Manager.
A.I. Vision Research Unit, Sheffield University, Western Bank,
Sheffield.  S10 2TN. U.K.
Tel: (+44) (0)742 768555 X 6551   email:  derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk
FAX: (+44) (0)742 766515

-- 
Derek Jones, System Manager, AI Vision Research Unit, University of Sheffield ,
Sheffield, S10 2TN, UK	Tel:(+44) (0)742 768555 X 6551 Fax:(+44) (0)742 766515
email: derek@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk   derek@ibmpcug.co.uk  
Compu$: 70374,1355
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc