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From: wheeler@super.org (Ferrell S. Wheeler)
Subject: Youth Empowerment Workshop
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center (Bowie, MD)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:59:59 GMT


Animals, the Earth and Ourselves:
         A Youth Empowerment Workshop


   Zoe Weil, director of the AAVS educational program ANIMALEARN,
and Sally Clinton, director of the Vegetarian Education Network, will
be hosting "Animals, the Earth and Ourselves: A Youth Empowerment
Workshop," September 19-20, 1992.
   The workshop is designed for 13-20 year olds who are active in the
animal rights and environmental movements.  Its purpose is to promote
empowerment, energy and commitment among youth who are working on
behalf of the planet.
   During the course of the weekend participants will enjoy a variety of
exercises designed to deepen their connection to nature, foster their
self-esteem, and bring them together towards a common goal -- helping
animals and the earth.
   The workshop will be held at the home of Sally Clinton, located in a
beautiful farm setting in Lancaster County, Pa.  For more information,
please contact Zoe Weil at the AAVS, (215) 887-0816.


* From the September 1992 issue of "The AV," the journal of the
  American Anti-Vivisection Society.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Juicing: Pros and Cons
Date: 6 Sep 92 17:29:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep6.172915.22792
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <9225014.14179@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> wadley@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Gregory Robert Wadley) writes:
>I don't want to sound like a Luddite, but I use and recommend a
>plastic hand juicer - just a cup with a juicer thing that fits on top
>- which can be bought for a dollar or so.
>It's easier to clean, and even use, than an electric one.

Absolutely, but it's hard to use with carrots. :-)

>Another tip - don't mix different fruits in the one drink,
>unless they're botanically similar. The stomach is designed to only cope
>with one type at a time.

Not at all.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: weaver@jetsun.weitek.COM (Michael Gordon Weaver)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Re: Do vega or vegi eat fries in McDonald or Kentucky?
Keywords: fries
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:01:00 GMT
Organization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep7.042954.784@athena.mit.edu> amarcin@athena.mit.edu (Bret Aarden) writes:
>In article <1992Sep7.035435.6247@reed.edu> nuke@reed.edu (Bill Newcomb) writes:
>>And the ten dollar question:
>>Does taco bell *ever* use beef tallow in the preparation of its beans?
>>I used to eat there an awful lot, and was a bit shocked when I heard this,
>>although I knew that such an addition is not unheard of. What have people
>>heard? (I haven't needed to fastfood lately, or I would have asked them)
>
>I've stopped at a couple of Taco Bells when I had a real craving for beans,
>and yessiree indeed, they told me they put the lard in. Taco Johns does not.
>In fact, I don't recall anything on the Taco Bell menu that was vegetarian...
>
Not that it makes much difference to a vegetarian, such as myself, but
tallow and lard are two different things. Lard is rendered pork fat,
soft at room temperature, while tallow is rendered beef fat which is
solid and waxy at room temperature. Both tallow and lard can be used
for deep frying, but I do not think tallow would be acceptable (to
non-veg consumers) in refried beans.

I believe, at least in the USA, that you can assume that refried beans
have lard in them unless otherwise stated. Hydrox/Oreo cookies had 
fillings made with tallow last time I heard.

Most grease from frying hamburgers is recycled into tallow in the USA.
I don't know if it is legal to use this recycled tallow for human
consumption, but in any case it is mostly used in animal feed.

MacDonald's made a well publicized switch in the USA from tallow to
vegetable oil for frying french fries a few years back (mid-80s).
Animal fat was removed from many products in this country about that
time due to consumer awareness and the coming of ingredient labeling.
I would not expect MacDonalds to fry french fries in the same oil that
chicken is fried, as this would give a noticeable taste and aroma to the
fries.

Michael.
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From: ldh@svl.cdc.com (Lawrence D. Hare)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Content Dairy Sources
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:25:20 GMT
Organization: Control Data Systems
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X-XXDate: Tue, 15 Sep 92 14:19:53 GMT

Regarding my search for Happy Dairy Produce: I am getting some
information that may be of use to others so I'll post it here and add to
it as I get more. I live in the San Francisco bay area, so most of my
info will be oriented towards this part of the world, but perhaps there
are some ideas, spill-over so to speak, that may prove of use to others.

--
I feel compelled to make a note here: I, like many, look at meat and see
a dead animal. Presuming I could accept this, the fact that I know how
that animal lived and died, is enough to make me vegetarian. I will not
add to the misery of the animals on this planet.

I  grew up however in the south of England surrounded by chickens and
cows, they had a pretty decent life. They produced eggs and milk in
moderation and it was good. Cheese and butter was made from these
products and I don't think anyone suffered.

Given that the majority of society will not do anything different unless
forced, by affecting the economy of production, perhaps we can change the
manner in which dairy animals live. I am working with my local hardware
store and the manager is getting more information about a non-toxic and
cruelty free paint product, the cost and margins on this paint are such
that he thinks it can become a viable product. By providing the product,
pounding out the reasons for buying it, and placing a reasonable price on
it, we should have some results that will benefit us all - not just
humans who, after all, cause more trouble than perhaps we are worth!

Having read talk.politics.animals, I think this is a better forum for
this information. If however this newsgroup is established as being true
vegan, just tell me - I shall cease and desist.

--
I cannot guarantee the validity of this information. I am just passing on
what I find out. If anyone has further, or contrary, information, I would
appreciate hearing about it.

Anyway. I was asked where I got eggs. These are free-range eggs. Called
Veg-a-Fed. They come from Chino Valley Ranchers and I buy them at Whole
Foods in Palo Alto. There are other stores in this chain located in other
parts of the US. I am sure that there are other outlets as well.

I was told by one of the buyers at this store that he knows of no
contented dairy farms in this area. There are small organic farms outside
of California, but the milk does not travel here, it is too far. The
cheese does however and he told me to go to the dairy section and ask for
the organic cheeses.

Does an organic cheese come from a happy cow? I doubt there is a direct
correlation but the odds are that the cow is content.
--
Lawrence D. Hare      ldh@svl.cdc.com
From: susan@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: dogs in vege gardens
Date: 7 Sep 92 15:12:45 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

I don't know if this is the right place to post this, but here goes.
I am lacto-ovo vegetarian, and I'm starting a new vege garden (compost
and all).

Anyway, we built a nice raised garden (only slightly raised - 15cm)
to aid drainage and all that. Next morning, it appeared to be exactly
the right height for the neighbourhood dogs' toilet.

Nothing is planted yet:
Will the dog crap be detrimental to the organic nature of my garden?
Whats a good way of disposing of it (someone said it wouldn't 
compost, but I don't like the idea of it my compost anyway)?
How can I stop the dogs from enjoying the comforts of my back yard?

Hope you can help end this disgusting problem :-( :-(

Susan
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Subject: Re: Juicing: Pros and Cons
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 16:06:16 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <des.27@helix.nih.gov> des@helix.nih.gov (David E. Scheim) writes:
>> 
>
>I've read on these boards that carrot juice (roughage extracted) still 
>contains a substantial amount of soluable fiber, and a posting I seem to 
>remember said a glass a day can cut your cholesterol by 15%. 

Carrot juice with roughage extracted has essentially no fiber, and it
is not be considered to be a fiber source. Drinking drinking carrot juice
does nothing to reduce cholesterol.
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: info on UK veggie places
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:30:41 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

cs311113@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs311113) wrote:
> I have a vegetarian friend going to England for 3 months this fall, and
> she could use any information on Vege resturants or food places.  She will
> be relatively near London...

This information is very easy to find in any town in the UK.  There are
*lots* of guidebooks to vegetarian shops and restaurants in print - the
"Vegetarian Guide to the Scottish Highlands and Islands" is one, there are
several guides with UK-wide coverage, and I'm sure I've seen a "Vegetarian
London".  Large cities will have a what's-on guide that lists them; there
are several nationally-circulated vegetarian-oriented magazines available
in any big newsagents that have pages and pages of small ads.  It's not
worth anybody's while posting the titles; she'll have no problem finding
something even in the airport bookstall when she arrives.

The one major omission from these guides is ethnic-minority restaurants
that have good vegetarian or vegan options; most Indian places do, and as
I posted here recently, the restaurant attached to the Africa Centre in
London is exceptional.  The "Guide to Ethnic London" might be a help here;
I don't know of anything comparable for other cities.

-- 
--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
INTERNET: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk or via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk    FAX: 041 330 4913
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From: tsf@CS.CMU.EDU (Timothy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Iron
Followup-To: rec.food.veg
Originator: tsf@U.ERGO.CS.CMU.EDU
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University
	<19920909082133CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> <14754@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 21:43:26 GMT

In article <14754@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:

....   |> molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar) writes:
   |> >        Study links iron in bloodstream to heart attacks

   Yet another example of sensationalistic reports of research studies being 
   blasted all over the media, leaving the ordinary TV viewer totally confused 
   and thus open to the claims of self-appointed nutrition gurus who make a 
   living by selling useless supplements.

It isn't an example of what you want it to be.  The newspaper article
implied that excess iron intake is bad, which doesn't make a naive
person more enthusiastic about taking supplements.

Tim
--
Tim Freeman <tsf@cs.cmu.edu>    CompuServe ID 71045,2267 checked occasionally.
When they took the fourth amendment, I was silent because I don't deal drugs.
When they took the sixth amendment, I kept quiet because I know I'm innocent.
When they took the second amendment, I said nothing because I don't own a gun.
Now they've come for the first amendment, and I can't say anything at all.
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg,sci.med.nutrition
From: CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Chris Thomas)
Subject: Re: Iron
Date: 9 Sep 92 08:22:33 PDT

In article <BuAGnu.KoB@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>, on 9 Sep 92 02:09:30 GMT,
molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar) writes:

>
>The following article appeared on the second page of the Toronto Daily Star,
>September 8, 1992.
>
>        Study links iron in bloodstream to heart attacks
>
>        DALLAS (Reuter) - Excess iron in the bloodstream may be more deadly than
>        cholesterol or high blood pressure as a cause of heart disease, a new
>        study concludes.
>                It is iron in the bloodstream that accounts for a much higher
>        rate of heart attack in men than in young women, whose iron levels
>        decline during menstruation, the study says.
>                Dr. Jukka Salonen led a team of scientists at the University of
>        Kuopio in Finland that studied 1,931 people for eight years to establish
>        a link between iron in the bloodstream and the risk of heart attack.

Jukka Salonen is a prolific researcher and writer in the field
of cardiac studies.  Nevertheless, one should keep in mind that
so far, this is a single, non-replicated study.  The risk
factors of cholesterol, blood pressure, and smoking have been
documented on the basis of hundreds of studies.  Perhaps
Salonen has something, or perhaps this is just a flash in the
pan.
  -- Chris Thomas (CSMSCST@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU)

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From: vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: Taco Bell
Date: 7 Sep 92 23:46:10 GMT
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1992Sep7.160954.223@gmuvax2.gmu.edu>, amcmicha@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
(Andrew McMichael) writes:
> Be aware that Taco Bell beans are made with lard, so there is
> no vegetarian Mexican food to be had there.

	That *was* true till barely a couple of years ago, but it *is not* 
	true now. From your posting I can surmise that you haven't stepped 
	inside a Taco Bell for a long time. Nowadays you can see their 
	flyers advertising that they do not use lard and  that there is no 
	MSG in any of their products.

	Now you can have bean burrito and tostada as standard veg. items; you
	can further ask them to substitute beans instead of meat in tacos or
	taco salad or mexican pizza. I do it all the time, for the past 3
	months atleast. If you ask them to withhold cheese, you can even have
	*vegan* meals!!

	This topic appears periodically on RFV; may be we should make a note
	in FAQ, of all the fast food chains which serve "vegetarian" options.

	Siva Prasad			vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu 
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar)
Subject: Re: Moral Question
Keywords: Moral Question
Organization: UTCS Campus Access
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:05:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.171221.14543@eng.ufl.edu> kwc@eng.ufl.edu (Ken Colson) writes:
# Greetings,
# 
# This is a real world moral problem that I am now facing.  Prior to
# becoming a vegetarian I wanted to be included on a fishing trip that is
# planned about every 2 years by my 4 brother- in-laws.  Now the obvious
# conflict:
# 
# Can a vegetarian catch and release fish in all good faith?  Can someone
# be a vegetarian fisherperson? 

Ken, of course one can be a vegetarian and fish (and hunt) at the same
time.  No one can say that all vegetarians are vegetarian for moral or
ethical reasons.

However, if you are not going to eat the fish, and aren't catching the fish
to provide food for dependents, why put another living creature thru such
agony?  There is a good chance you won't be able to release the fish
unharmed even if you use barbless hooks.  Good faith?  Think about what
you do to the bait, and think about the fish, then think about why
you're doing it and then I'm sure you can answer your own question
about fishing in good faith.

Regards,
Tom
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Leslie Bishko)
Subject: Re: Do vega or vegi eat fries in McDonald or Kentucky?
Keywords: fries
Organization: Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 20:39:37 GMT

In article <1992Sep6.233417.25484@muddcs.claremont.edu> omitchel@jarthur.claremont.edu (Ocie Mitchell) writes:
>In article <92Sep6.183840edt.102@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> vlee@vis.toronto.edu (Victor Yuencheng Lee) writes:
>>Hello,
>>
>>I am a vegi, sometimes I wonder whether I could order a french fry in 
>>MacDonald or Kentucky when I am out with some other friends because I 
>>don't think the oil they use is "untaminated".
>>Once I found a piece of chicken fried chicken meat served together with
>>the fries I ordered.
>>
>>Does anyone have similar experience?
>>Then, what could I order in MacDonald or Kentucky? or
>>I should not buy their foods because they also sell meat hamburgs?
>>
>
>I don't usually go to these places so I don't know about the oil/grease/
>whatever that they are fried in.  

Unfortunately, I DO know!  My source worked at KFC as a kid.  The gravy for
the mashed potatoes is made from all the crusty fried drippings that are
collected in the grease trap at the end of the day.  If they are so
economical about re-using their GREASE RESIDUE, one can assume that the fries
are done up in the same oil as the chicken!

-- 
Leslie Bishko
leslie@cgrg.ohio-state.edu


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From: carlo@wg.estec.esa.nl (CDfreak)
Subject: Re: Question for ethical vegans and vegetarians.
Organization: WG/Estec, Noordwijk, The Netherlands
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 12:18:16 GMT


Hi,

I guess I could call myself an ethical vegetarian. I am not a veggie but I
avoid (as much as I can) to eat anything that cost an animal's life. Honestly
after more than 10 years of eating vegetarian (and I mean I have never ever
had meat or fish for that long) I still don't understand all this fuss about
eggs. I mean, when I was a child I lived in Italy and both my grandparents and
my own parents raised chickens, cows, rabbits and other so called (in Italy,
at least) household animals and I have never seen an egg turning into a
chicken on its own. Chicken laid eggs which they just left there to rotten.
YOU NEED TO FERTILIZE the egg (ever heard of cockerels?) and have the chicken
sitting on it (incubation). Otherwise why do we eat all the lettuce, carrots,
beans and all those vegetables that could be left to grow and grow and grow
until they go... rotten, just like the eggs above.

Ok, so the egg is a *potential* life form, but what about the beans we
(vegetarians) eat? Could we just plant them and let them  *grow* into a nice
healthy plant?

I guess that the points I try to make here are:

1. We must understand what we eat. Not just take stands for the sake of it.
2. Let's look around us, let's analyze our life style: isn't there really
anything we could do or not do for our friendly animals (and the environment
in general) that is more important than eating or not eating eggs? 
Some hints: 
	Walk, cycle do anything to avoid using (your) cars
	Recycle	
	Select your garbage so that biodegradable rubbish doesn't get mixed up
	with the one that isn't.
	Reduce the consume of energy. Turn off lights, tv, radio when not 	needed.
Dry your clothes on the line when is warm outside avoid using
	the drier.
	Remember fanatism is *ALWAYS* dangerous

The list could go on forever. 

Carlo

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From: sj@silma.com (Suzanne)
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
Subject: non-leather shoes from China
Date: 4 Sep 92 17:15:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: silma.1992Sep4.171530.8515
Organization: Silma Inc

Just picked up a pair of non-leather shoes, brought them home
and then noticed they're from China.  I'm worried they're
made by forced labor, so I'm taking them back.

FYI, the store was Payless Shoe Source, the one most often
recommnded on the net as a source for non-leather dress
shoes (in the U.S., anyway.)

I hate to think that I'll ever end up going back to leather
shoes (I'm a non-leather-wearing veg for 15 yrs), but if
everything comes from China, that's how it'll be.

I thought it was kind of strange how shoe prices seem to have
dropped in the last 5 years...
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: abrams@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: soy tempeh and corn masa
Reply-To: abrams@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:49:15 GMT

Responding to <1992Sep8.084141.18184@athena.mit.edu>, 
Christina asked about tempeh and corn masa.  I don't know about
corn masa, though you and I must have shopped in the same co-op,
because masa is right by tempeh where I shop, too!  

Tempeh is definitely NOT bland like tofu!  When you open in, you
will smell the distinctive vinegary smell, which is kind of gross.
Tempeh is nutritionally better than tofu: lower in calories, made
out of whole beans, and it has fiber, which tofu doesn't.  But I 
have had trouble making the stuff palatable.  My ex-housemates
used to fry it with onions and smother it with tomato sauce sometimes.
Bleh.  

I did make one good tempeh recipe, from _Sundays at Moosewood
Restaurant_, p.132.  This recipe called for one medium chopped
onion, 3 cloves garlic sauted in 1/4 cup oil--you add the tempeh
to that, with a chopped chile pepper, some bell pepper and
fennel.  There is more to this recipe--rice cooked with coconut,
and black-eyed peas cooked with lots of bay leaf--but the tempeh
was the miracle.  I think I finally put enough spices in with it.
You should also cook the tempeh for a long time.  

A friend recommended Indian-style spices, but he was insufficiently
specific--which region of India?  Which spices?  

Even in the best dish I could come up with, one of my housemates 
still insisted that he would rather take a bath in turpentine that
eat tempeh.  Some people like it.  What can you do? 

Good luck.

Ruth Abrams
Newsgroups: rec.food.veg
From: vlee@vis.toronto.edu (Victor Yuencheng Lee)
Subject: Do vega or vegi eat fries in McDonald or Kentucky?
Summary: oli
Keywords: fries
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 6 Sep 92 22:38:56 GMT

Hello,

I am a vegi, sometimes I wonder whether I could order a french fry in 
MacDonald or Kentucky when I am out with some other friends because I 
don't think the oil they use is "untaminated".
Once I found a piece of chicken fried chicken meat served together with
the fries I ordered.

Does anyone have similar experience?
Then, what could I order in MacDonald or Kentucky? or
I should not buy their foods because they also sell meat hamburgs?

Thanks,

--Victor
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