From: rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk,alt.censorship,alt.sex,tor.general
Subject: Re: Surprise.  You've made the evening news again.
Date: 18 Jul 92 14:12:12 GMT
Organization: The Armory

In article <1992Jul14.231918.20382@bkj386.uucp> brian@.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes:
>In article <1992Jul13.073249.28035@deeptht.armory.com> rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
>
>>Well, I think we did a damned good job of contributing to Panama's
>>"debate" about freedom, and I think Manuel Noriega can now appreciate
>>that. He learned a new song, "Welcome to the Jungle", and he now gets
>>his choice of 40 years in prison or military stockade.
>
>True.  I think you should round up all those guys in the world that
>you disagree with and stick them in concentration....oops...prisons
>or military stockades (half a :)).
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No, you idiot, people who kill other people and import cocaine, and
who rule fascistically without mandate. I have little interest in
making the world that much less interesting by jailing those I
disagree with.

>>In fact, I, like amnesty international and other such groups adhere to
>>a rather strict interpretation of human rights. Any one who gets in
>>the way of human rights, most especially the right to say ANYTHING
>>should be taken out and shot. We finally have that here now.
>
>As a Canadian I can relate to this.  You have about ten times the
>population and 800 times the number of firearm related deaths a
>year.  It is certainly good to see such a clear summary of the 
>philosophical and social stucture of the US.
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And I'm glad that you realize it fully. You seem to capture the gist
of the US in a single bound, minus the problem of minority racial
situations that you don't have and can't fathom. Without the drug
trade and the racial prejudice in a number of crucial places here,
though they are few, we likely kill fewer people than you do, per
capita.

>>                                                          I cannot
>>find a thing I can say which will get me arrested, unless I threaten
>>someone's life or follow them around haranguing them. This is in
>>contrast to you ridiculous excuse for a nation to the north.
>
>You might try libel, treason, disturbing the peace and all those
>other little things that can land you in the slammer.  I think that
>the only thing Canada has that the US doesn't is malicious libel
>against an identifiable group.  I gather that is what the guns are
>for down there.
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Libel is civil not criminal. Guns are irrelevant to it. I had already
described disturbing the peace or treason/threatning the life of a
publically elected official. You have said nothing here.

>>You can
>>still virtually be recommended for jail time by your local vicar, like
>>we could in the fifties!
>
>Like the vicar, I could recommend you for jail time too.  Like the vicar,
>it would mean nothing in Canada -- before or after the fifties.
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I have a Canadian friend who would strongly disagree with you about
that. He wound up without a job and without a rental and without
defenders in a goodly sized place where he had simply behaved a bit
differently than some locals without breaking any law except the
minister's sense of "propriety".

>>It strikes me that you in Canada are a bunch of scared twits, true
>>ninnies in the essence of the word to put up with such crap from a
>>supposed member in good standing of the "free" world. 
>>I am ashamed to live next to you.
>
>Feel free to move.  Panama is nice this time of year, I hear.
>
>>- Richard Steven Walz
>Brian Jenkins             
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I already have a nice place to live, thank you. And being ashamed
shouldn't bother me. It should bother you.
- R. Steven Walz
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