From: jccompto@eos.ncsu.edu (JAMES C COMPTON)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: Elle Calender rip off pigs!  Should be shot...
Date: 16 Oct 92 01:38:42 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Oct15.185724.7271@athena.mit.edu>, daniel_x@athena.mit.edu (Daniel M Higgins) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct14.234029.21956@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au>, rhoge1@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au ([Robert James Hoge]) writes:
|> |> If someone is going to scan the Elle calendar pic's and then email
|> |> them to the dribbling tight-ass pigs who are too cheap to buy the calender,

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|> |> fat ugly perverted unsofisticated son-of-a-bitch pig fuck, then you're
|> |> a complete selfish moran asshole who diserves never to be looked at twice.
|> |> 
|> |> I'm finished, for now!
|> |> 
|> 
|> 
 
|> As to honoring copyrights. It is a pity that there is bootlegging
|> going on - but it is also a pity that everybody does not have enough
|> money to buy what they want. Perhaps , blinded by your own fortune,
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|> you take $20 for granted. Many can't.

Your financial status is irrelevant.  This statement is a good example of
"class envy"; the "I don't have enough so I deserve... They already have 
theirs anyway! So it is OK if I..."

An Elle calendar is NOT a necessity, (food, for example, is) so I really
don't understand why you think someone would be entitled to one.  If you
want an Elle calendar and think that it is worth what the store is asking
($20 or whatever) then buy it.  If you don't have $20 in your budget that 
can be used for an Elle calendar don't buy it.  IMO you shouldn't have an 
option that gets you a claendar but doesn't give Elle and the others their
money. 
 
|> So Elle gets screwed - everybody gets screwed - Do you put on your armour
|> for them all?

This doesn't fit in with your "It is a pity that there is bootlegging..."
 
|> Can't say as I've had too much experience with being ripped off by 
|> bootleggers - but Ive occasionally read artist's responses to the question 
|> of pirate copying and its refreshing to find so many who feel ( or at
|> least pretend to feel ) that they are happy if their work reaches a 
|> wider audience.

"reaches a wider audience" An artist who whould respond this way would, IMHO,
be one that hasn't had a lot of exposure.  At this point the piracy would be
free advertisement for them.  Elle, for example, is already known worldwide.
All pirating of her stuff at this point is basically taking $ from her.
 
|> Perhaps some of the people who see the bootleg calender will go and 
|> buy it afterwards - a copy for their wife's office perhaps - or as a gift 
|> for their husband. They are certainly more likely to buy the next calender
|> if they saw and liked the current one.

Bootleg material is sold for a price lower than the real thing; if it wasn't
there would be no incentive to buy it. If they didn't get a legal first copy... 
(I realize that I've ignored some technicalities, but you see what I mean) 

|> Again, I must say that I am disappointed to hear someone crying for poor little
|> Elle because she is being gibbed out of some percentage - everone suffers
|> even if they are not famous and beautiful.

This relates to my class envy comment.      

|> Are you sophisticated ?  you don't seem very sophisticated. Perhaps I just
|> havn't been exposed to the right people.
|> All this aside - If you dont need your armour next weekend could I borrow it.
|> I really want to impress this girl that I've spoken to face to face.
|> Are you familiar with the term wanker?
|> You will give my regards to Elle, won't you. 

I don't understand why you included this part.  

If you think that we still have something to discuss, I would like to hear from
you.  But if we continue, it probably belongs in email.  Roberts comments related
to supermodels, but we are drifting away from that topic into others.

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Having said that I'll apologise to everyone I annoyed by posting the Clinton joke.
I dislike Clinton and have many reasons, but I should have left my opinions about 
the matter off of this sub.
   -Chris