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From: bj00+@andrew.cmu.edu (Barbara G. Jacob-McDowell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Tellabration '92
Date: 11 Nov 92 07:35:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.cf0IFxy00WBN430coS
	<1992Nov10.154943.10513@news.clarkson.edu>
Organization: University Libraries - Public Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Tellabration '92, an evening of stories for grownups, will be held on
Friday, November 20th at 8 pm, in I think 34 states and Canada. In
Pittsburgh it will be at the Bellefield Annex, opposite Heinz Chapel in
Oakland. Tickets are $8.00 in advance, $10 at the door. There will be a
reception afterwards, with lots of goodies and a booktable from
Pinnochio's, a children's bookstore. 
    Some of the tellers are: Joe Healy, Connie Donaldson, Dave Russell,
Kathy Maron Wood, Alan Irvine,...and me. This year I'm telling a Welsh
story, "Six and Four", and if I understood Geraint correctly, I may be
able to say "Many welcomes" in Welsh at the beginning with some
accuracy. 
    I'd love to meet some of you (and it might take my mind off the
stage fright!), so if you can come and/or want tickets, please email me. 

    Thanks in advance.

                                                --Barra


Everything will perish save love and music.--Scots Gaelic proverb
Harpers have pluck--but don't get strung out.--Barra the Bard
From: U52539@uicvm.uic.edu (--- BORYS ---)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Northern Ireland demograpy
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:37:20 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago



     While the topic is out, in the lastest copy of the Economist (Nov 7-13)
there was an article titled 'Breeding for Change.'   The beginning of this
article mentioned that the Catholic share of the population in N. Ireland
stands at 43%.  At the current rate of growth the Catholic will become the
majority in about 20 years.  Belfast is already 45% Catholic.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.celtic:7192 soc.culture.british:15163
From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Census Statistics (apparently leaked)
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:58:09 GMT
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium

gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:

>In article <1992Nov4.150412.28319@news.nd.edu> ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:

>>Do people actually believe this?  Remember the NI border was only drawn to
>>give unionists an artificail majority, and what is stoppiong them from
>>redrawing it again?

The border enclosed the largest area possible with a viable majority.
The unionists would not have had a majority in the nine counties
of Ulster, and to just have Antrim, Down and maybe Armagh would have left
them with too little, a state which would not have been viable as a state.
(To say nothing of abandoning the Maiden City).

To redraw the border now presents the same problem, that a two county
entity of Antrim and Down would not be viable, and would still leave
territorial arguements unresolved in Belfast.

>The whole island of Ireland was part of the UK when the border was
>originally drawn, so it was a border within a state.  Now it is
>a border between sovereign states, namely the UK in the North and
>(the republic of) Ireland in the south.  No single government therefore
>has the authority to redraw the boundary.

The boundary was implemented toward the end of the Tan War (ie
independence war), possibly during the Truce, and so was not a de facto
border within a state.

It should be remembered that the Irish constitution claims all 32 counties,
so your question of 'authority to redraw the boundary' rests with the
British.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Election 92!
From: Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 08:32:49 EST
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

In article <1992Nov10.003224.10546@news.acns.nwu.edu>, irish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
(Brian OReilly) says:
>
In article <92310.200303RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> I wrote stuff about
Mac the Knife resigning as EC commissioner for Agriculture, and speculated
about his running in the election and possibly threathening Albert for the
leadership of FF.

It seems that, as Ulick pointed out, MacSharry just resigned as GATT
negotiator, not as commissioner. (That's how I understood the report in
yesterdays Irish Emigrant, anyway).

>Well, no such speculation in U.S. papers that I have seen. Personally I
>would be surprised if Ray Mac "the knife" does decide to run. Even if he
>were to get into local politics again I doubt he would try to run for the
>leader's job. And even were he to run I doubt that he would get it.
>This is all contingent on FF at least holding their current strength in the
>election. If they lose badly then Reynolds is probably history
>
>-------------------/The Muon is a harsh mistress\----------------------------
>Evolution is all \       Brian O'Reilly         / "Most people have nation-
>that separates us >  Northwestern University   <  -alities, Jews and Irish
>from the animals./  irish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu   \  have psychoses." (B. Behan)

Aengus
--
RBYAML@ROHMHAAS.COM                    Aengus Lawlor
RBYAML@ROHVM1.BITNET                   (who used to be ALAWLOR@DIT.IE)
"How about some of that famous Dublin wit, Barman?"
"Certainly, sir. Would that be Dry or Sparkling?"
From: ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Update on Irish political `crisis'
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:24:31 GMT
Organization: OUC, University of Notre Dame

In article <92311.082123RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> writes:
>
>(Would it be appropriate to also post such 'news' articles to the Irish-Net
>list that is used for distributing the Irish Emigrant newsletter? I tend to
>feel that it would, as it evidently reaches a lot more people than this
>newsgroup).

I guess that would be up to the maintainers of the list.  You'd have to
check with Pat.  It can get a little agravating when it is abused, like
for last years Ferrie fund (IMHO).  Who is volunteering to collect US$
type funds this year, BTW?  Perhaps it is time for a gentle reminder.


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
+ 'There was a  master come unto the earth, + Ulick Stafford, PP-ASEL       +
+    born in the holy land of Indiana,      + Dept of Chemical Engineering, +
+ in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.+ Notre Dame, IN 46556          +
+      B'fhearr liom bheith ag eitilt.      +    ulick@bach.helios.nd.edu   +
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Organization: Studio for Creative Inquiry, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.music.folk
Date: Sat,  7 Nov 1992 03:41:37 -0500 
From: Rebecca Roolf <rr3b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Capercaillie
	<1992Nov6.195804.23189@news.clarkson.edu>

O shin go bhfuil muid ag caint faoi "Capercaillie", ta/ ceist agam.  An
bhfuil fhios ag aon daoine, dha/ mbeadh "Capercaillie" ag teacht ar
"tour" go luath?  B'fhe/idir, go mbeidh siad leis an "album" nua amach? 
Sin e/, "tour" sa USA...?  

Ta/ bro/n orm faoi mo Ghaeilge dona, ach gabh mo leithsce/al... ta/ se/
leithuair tar eis a tri/ a chlog ar maidin!  Agus ta/ me/ beagnach i mo
chodladh, ach ta/ me/ fo/s ag mo h-ait obair!

Go raibh maith agat,

(Since we are talking about Capercaillie, I have a question.  Does
anyone know whether Capercaillie will be coming on tour soon?  Maybe,
they will with a new album out?  That is, a tour in the USA?

Sorry for my bad Irish...It's 3:30 in the morning, and I'm nearly
asleep, but still at work!

Thanks,)

Becka
Xref: sparky soc.culture.celtic:7264 rec.music.folk:7642
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,rec.music.folk
Subject: Capercaillie fan club info
Date: 10 Nov 92 16:17:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: rdg.1992Nov10.172351.20866
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


I originally posted the info below in May this year, but since there's
been some discussion of Capercaillie here recently, I thought 
this info was worth a repost. Has anyone heard the new album yet?

All,
    Here's the info on Capercaillie from the orgnisation which will become
their fan club:

Capercaillie "Rock achievement of the year"  - The Times

Radio 1 continues to support Capercaillie, their latest EP is already
recieiving air play.

The band's recent concert at the Mean Fiddler in London was described
by the Times as "Unique and Stirring"

Subscription:

If you would like to receive regular news on Capercaillie you can officially
join the mailing list for a subscription fee of #6.50 for 1 year's
membership.

When applicable, this service will provide you with details of tours, new
releases, TV and radio programmes, plus general news and press for interest.
One or two promotional items will even be thrown in!

You will receive a newsheet every 2 months i.e. 6 times a year. If you
decide to join, the first official mail will be for the beginning of June,
the second for August and so on. If of course you have any questions 
inbetween, you can contact Paula Moore at the address below, but please
enclose a SAE.

Please direct all correspondence to:

Capercaillie Info
P.O. Box 5011 
London
W12 7ZD

Please make cheques payable to "Etive Records" and write your name
and address on the back. I dunno what the arrangments are for overseas
fans - I suggest calling the record company at the number below for
info on that.


 The above info was send to me via Capercaillie's record company,
Survival Records. To contact Survival records, phone: 0628 788700
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: jxm@engin.umich.edu (John Murray)
Subject: Origin of Mar-yah?
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 21:18:51 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Does anyone know the origins of the expression "mar-yah", indicating
an assumption of deceit or falseness. It's often used in Ireland in
connection with shysters, con artists, and so on, as in "The politician
tried to imply that he had my best interests at heart, mar-yah!" 
 
I've no idea how it might be spelt, and I'm assuming that it
comes from some equivalent Gaelic expression. Any opinions? 

John Murray
Univ. of Michigan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Election 92!
From: Aengus Lawlor <RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:03:03 EST
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company

The PDs resigned from the Government yesterday (Wednesday) and voted with
the opposition today on a vote of No Confidence. The result was 88 votes
to 77 votes. The Election is to be held on 26th of November, and the
referenda have been brought forward from December 3rd, to be held on the
same day.

In possibly related news (and I'd appreciate it if anyone who can confirm
or deny it would post ASAP), Ray MacSharry resigned as European Commissioner
for Agriculture today. Supposedly he resigned to protest Delors meddling
in his GATT negotiations with the US, but there is speculation that he will
run in the election, and possibly challenge Albert Reynolds for the leadership
of Fianna Fail. (Well, I'm speculating about it anyway!)

Aengus
--
RBYAML@ROHMHAAS.COM                    Aengus Lawlor
RBYAML@ROHVM1.BITNET                   (who used to be ALAWLOR@DIT.IE)
"How about some of that famous Dublin wit, Barman?"
"Certainly, sir. Would that be Dry or Sparkling?"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: unichaoi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Una Ni Chaoimh)
Subject: Re: Renewing US visa in Dublin
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:05:32 GMT

I got mine renewed at about the same time in December two years ago. There 
might
be a problem if you do it by mail but if you go in person there shouldn't be
any problem. The only hassle I had was that you have to leave the passport etc
with them and return the next day to pick it up. As I'm from Galway this wasn't
very convernient and I had to get someone I knew in Dublim to go and pick it up
and send it to me overnight express. If you're in Dublin, no problem. By the
way, it wasn't the circular building I had to go to but another one across the
road.
,
Una
Xref: sparky soc.culture.celtic:7188 soc.culture.british:15144
From: cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Census Statistics (apparently leaked)
Date: 5 Nov 92 12:14:11 GMT
	<1992Nov3.212855.3051@infodev.cam.ac.uk>
	<1992Nov4.150412.28319@news.nd.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Nov4.150412.28319@news.nd.edu> ulick@bernini.helios.nd.edu (Ulick Stafford) writes:

   In article <1992Nov3.212855.3051@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
   >
   >which).  The point made there was that there is a long-standing commitment
   >by the British government that if ever a majority of the population of
   >Northern Ireland wish the province to become united with the rest of
   >Ireland then it will happen.  Although not all Northern Irish Catholics
   s
   Do people actually believe this?  Remember the NI border was only drawn to
   give unionists an artificail majority, and what is stoppiong them from
   redrawing it again?

Simple - British distaste for the Northern Ireland problem.  I reckon that
the British establishment people would much rather just get rid of the whole
problem.  Altering the borders of NI would do nothing to stop the terrorism.
Even if it were possible to have an NI populated by 100% Unionists, with the
rest of Ireland 100% Nationalists, there would *still* be terrorism in NI.
Redrawing the borders would be pointless.
--
	-- Chris. 	cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk   (on Janet, cc@uk.ac.ed.dcs)
From: dwilkins@maths.tcd.ie (David Wilkins)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Update on Irish political `crisis'
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:03:54 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

To wind up the story.

The Progressive Democrats (Pee Dees) resigned from the coalition
government yesterday afternoon (Wednesday 4th November), just
in time for the RTE news at 6.30pm.  A motion of confidence in
the rump Fianna Fa/il government was debated today, and the
motion was defeated.  The voting was: Ta/ 77, Ni/l 88.  The
Taoiseach accordingly went off to A/ras an Uachtera/in to
seek a dissolution of the Da/il.

   He would not however have found the President, Mrs. Robinson,
at home.  She is currently undertaking a state visit to
New Zealand, and very sensibly decided earlier this week
not to abort her visit on account of these little local
difficulties.  In her absence, her constitutional duties
are undertaken by a three man presidential commission,
whose members presumably must have headed off to the Park
themselves to meet up with An Taoiseach.

The date of the general election has been fixed for
Wednesday 25th November (a day earlier than the
pundits were expecting), and the three abortion
referenda will be brought forward to be voted on
on the same day.

The Catholic Bishops Conference put out a statement
today on the latter.  They described the wording as
`flawed', and decided to straddle the fence on the
`substantive issue'.  Basically they opined that
Catholics could, with a clear conscience vote
either for it, on the grounds that it offered
the maximum protection currently on offer to
the `unborn child and the mother', or against it,
on the grounds that the wording of the amendment is
obnoxious in that it appears to countenance
abortion in very limited circumstances: that is,
when the life, `as distinct from the health',
of the mother is at risk.  (At least all the
hypocrisy and weasel words the politicians
have been deluging us with over the past
few days as the government collapsed has
at least had the merit of driving the
abortion issue out of the limelight.)

The other news that came out this evening is that
Ray MacSharry, the EC Agriculture Commissioner,
and Ireland's representative on the Commission,
has resigned as the EC's GATT negotiator in his
anger over the way the negotiations were torpedoed by
Jacques Delors, the president of the EC Commission.
Delors allegedly phoned Chicago during the negotiations
with the USA to make it clear that he would seek
to veto any deal that MacSharry brought back
from Chicago.  In this Delors is seen, by
commentators across the water at least, to
be acting in furtherance of his own political
ambitions in French domestic politics, and at
the behest of the French government, and not
necessarily in the interests of the EC as a whole.
No doubt the British gutter press will be having
a field day tomorrow, not to mention the `quality
papers'.
From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: Election 92!
Date: 6 Nov 1992 10:33:16 GMT
Organization: SunConnect
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com

In article <92310.200303RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>, RBYAML@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com (Aengus Lawlor) writes:

> 
> In possibly related news (and I'd appreciate it if anyone who can confirm
> or deny it would post ASAP), Ray MacSharry resigned as European Commissioner
> for Agriculture today. Supposedly he resigned to protest Delors meddling
> in his GATT negotiations with the US, but there is speculation that he will
> run in the election, and possibly challenge Albert Reynolds for the leadership
> of Fianna Fail. (Well, I'm speculating about it anyway!)

According to the BBC World Service this morning Ray McSharry did indeed
resign, on the grounds that his position had been undermined by Delors.
I only caught the headlines, so I didn't hear any more details.

Steve



-- 
Steve McKinty
SUN Microsystems ICNC
38240 Meylan, France
email: smckinty@france.sun.com	   BIX: smckinty
From: cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: Re: WELSH-L listserv? !!
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:04:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: rdg.1992Nov9.170841.23547
Organization: Digital Equipment Co. Ltd., Reading, England


In article <1992Nov9.152610.408@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (General Protection Fault) writes...
>I saw a posting ofer the weekend which made reference to a possibly
>forthcoming listserv to address P-Celtic languages.  The list was to
>be called WELSH-L, as I recall.
> 
>Since the reference was only a passing remark in another post...
> 
>Does anybody have any specific information on said list?
> 

 The list is in the pipeline, and may be going within a month. 

 An announcement will be made here when it's ready !!

 The "charter" of the list has been finalised I think, I'll see if I can
 post it here.

	Craig

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From: gerard@galaxy.nsc.com (Gerry Dowling x3188)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: House of Pain
Date: 11 Nov 92 23:28:52 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara

While watching MTV the other day I saw a band called House of Pain with a
rap song called "Jump Around" The video featured loads of Irish images like 
shamrocks,irish dancing,tri-colours,Boston cops, etc etc.

Just wondering what the band's Irish connection is ??
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic,soc.culture.british
From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: Census Statistics (apparently leaked)
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 12:03:45 GMT

In article <jyc.721095419@Leland> jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:
>
>   It is fifteen or twenty years from now.  The six provinces have a
>Catholic majority.  Catholics are agitating for a plebiscite to be held
>to determine whether all of Ireland will be unified under the Dublin
>government.  Polls show that the proposition is likely to get a majority
>of votes cast.

>   a)  Would the British government allow such a plebiscite and abide
>       by its results?

The Labour party has an official policy of a united Ireland by
consent, so presumably a Labour government would do so.  Despite the
Conservatives' resistance to constitutional change elsewhere in
the UK, I also believe a Conservative government would do so.

>   b)  Would Protestant resistance to such a plebiscite be violent?

Probably not violent, but I can imagine extreme civil disobedience.
>
>   c)  Would civil war result if the plebiscite was passed and abided
>       by?

I don't know.


--
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From: kakleman@soc13.acpub.duke.edu (Kubilay Akleman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
Subject: The message I just sent about Scots and Gaelic
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:26:18 GMT


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Distribution: world
Reply-To: kakleman@soc13.acpub.duke.edu (Kubilay Akleman)

Oh, I forgot to sign the article: 
Andrew.

Agus suas leis an Gh`idhlig. (I'm using Craig Cockburn's signature here! 
			      Well, I agree with it! I'll think of my own in time!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: bartley@spss.com (Dennis Bartley)
Subject: Essential Irish tunes
Organization: SPSS Inc.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:04:47 GMT

I little while ago in this group there was a list of essential Irish
tunes. Unfortunately, I forgot to save a copy. Can anyone email it to
me? Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.celtic
From: syswtr@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: Accent and Dialect, the politics there
Organization: Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:00:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.075941.3950@rdg.dec.com>, cockburn@edieng.enet.dec.com (Craig Cockburn) writes:
> 
> Some examples of Scots grammar:
> and for all you people living in England, the US, Canada etc who say 
> "I've heard that here". Well, Scots have emigrated/been transported all
> over the world and many took their language with them.
> 
 Craig:
  Some of what you posted in that article sounds like dialog from and old
T.V. sitcom about the hill-folk of the eastern U.S. that migrated to
Beverly Hills (although I haven't noticed this in reruns the few times
I've visited southern England)...
  About a year ago a BBC documentary made it to Public T.V. in the States
about the history of the English language.  They devoted part of it to
the Scot's emigration to the Americas, and the dialect of English they
brough with them.

Willy
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