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From: jordan+@pitt.edu (Kenneth D Jordan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: Pittsburgh Volleyball
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:37:21 GMT
Distribution: pa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: jordan@pmax1.cis.pitt.edu

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				    OPEN VOLLEYBALL

	Location:	Gateway Junior High School (Monroeville).
			Only 15-20 minutes east of Oakland / Pittsburgh.

	Elibigility:	Both individuals and teams are welcome.
			Men, Women, or Coed.
			A great place for teams to scrimmage, or for
			individuals to get some serious court time.

	Day / time:	Thursdays, 7-10 pm.

	Starting date:	September 24, 1992

	Fee:		Only $26 for 12 weeks.  Cheap!
			(6 week registration for $15 also available --
			good for any 6 weeks during the fall session.)
			(There is a one-time-per-year fee of $5 for
			non-Monroeville residents which applies to all
			programs, including the next session.)

	Miscellaneous:	This is to be clean "power" volleyball.  Ability
			levels typically range from B through AA.  There
			are 2 courts, and the gym is fairly nice.  I'd
			describe the atmosphere as "friendly competetive".
			The program resumes with a new session in January.

	Directions:	From Pittsburgh:
			Take the Parkway (376) east to the third Monroeville
			exit, which is Route 48 North.  Turn left at the first
			light (<1/4 mile), and the entrance to GJHS's parking
			lot will be immediately on your left.  The gym is at
			the back of the school, next to the track.

			From various other places:
			Or take the Turnpike (76) to Exit 6 (Pittsburgh).
			Exit onto Business Route 22 West, and make the first
			right onto Route 48 North.  Then proceed as above.

			From elsewhere:
			Contact Nick (see below).

	More details:	Contact Nick Nystrom (nick@theory.chem.pitt.edu)
			or by phone at (412)-372-1817.

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From: lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Short players
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:39:59 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

I have a friend that I've been trying to convince to try volleyball.
The problem is that he is less than the ideal height and doesn't want to
just set and bump all the time.  
So what I want to know is how many of you out there are 5'6" or under
and can still put the ball down?

Just curious.

And what kinda vertical do you have to have to be able to spike when
your that tall?

More curiousity i guess.

Thanx

-CRUSH
From: rsmith@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Rick Smith)
Subject: Question about Karch?
Organization: Process Automation Center
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 15:10:49 GMT


 I don't know how many of you saw the Pro Beach Volleyball this
weekend, but I managed to catch both Saturday's and Sunday's matches.
This is the first pro beach tournament I've seen, so I was wondering
about something. Does Karch always hit his jump serves like he did
this weekend?  I was surprised that he wasn't spanking the jump serve;
Steffes, Frohoff and Johnson were all hitting their serves much harder
than Karch.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: rsl@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Russell S. Laderer)
Subject: Court Dimensions?
Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 13:39:09 GMT

I know this is trivial, but what is the official height for
men's and women's volleyball nets.

Thanks,
	Scott Laderer
From: plaplagn@metz.une.edu.au (Patrick Laplagne)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: What's LIVE volleyball?
Date: 27 Aug 92 04:19:58 GMT

Hi.
Something called LIVE volleyball is coming to town, and I was
wondering if somebody could fill me in on it. I'd never heard
of it until it was advertised. According to the ad, it's a
variant of the indoor game, played by five a side. Apparently,
the ball never goes out of court, which implies some sort of 
netting system around the court (similar to indoor cricket
and netball for those who know..). From what I've heard, the
net is set much higher than conventional VB, at about ten feet.
This seems to preclude any spiking unless your name is Karch
Kiraly d:^)
Anyway, I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has knowledge
of this type of game.
Thanks
Pat
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Subject: Re: Question about Karch?
Originator: gamg6900@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: g-martin1@uiuc.edu (Gregory A. Martin)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:21:33 GMT

rsmith@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Rick Smith) writes:


> I don't know how many of you saw the Pro Beach Volleyball this
>weekend, but I managed to catch both Saturday's and Sunday's matches.
>This is the first pro beach tournament I've seen, so I was wondering
>about something. Does Karch always hit his jump serves like he did
>this weekend?  I was surprised that he wasn't spanking the jump serve;
>Steffes, Frohoff and Johnson were all hitting their serves much harder
>than Karch.

Karch has an interesting philosohpy about the jump serve. When he played on
the USA National Team he was able to jump serve but never did. Karch said
he toyed with the jump serve but found the repetitive practice too tiring.
Evidently the coaches insisted the if someone wanted to use the jump serve
they had to practice constantly during training, and Karch decided to spend
his practice energies elsewhere. Note that someone like Eric Sato, who
didn't have to worry about practicing blocking, attacking, or passing, had
plenty of time to hone the jump serve.

On the beach, Karch uses his jump serve to strike a balance between attacking
with the serve and forcing his opponents to sideout - a weak serve is bad,
and so is missed serve. Each player has a different philosophy - Johnson,
for example, goes for serve his but misses a lot. These different styles are
what make sports interesting!

					Greg Martin, g-martin1@uiuc.edu
From: serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Spiking
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:01:51 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.volleyball
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <1992Sep2.153209.9451@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> ckeller@denali.gsfc.nasa.gov (Christopher Keller) writes:
>Hello all-
>   Have a question for any spikers out there.  About 90% of the time,
>I spike the ball out of bounds (via the back court).  Does anyone have
>any tips on spiking the ball hard and short?
>

There might be two major reasons:

	1. Are you snapping your wrist?
	2. Are you hitting the upper portion of the ball (and then snapping 
	   your wrist)?

Try this to see if it helps.....and also, make sure you keep your EYES on 
the ball, so you don't miss hit it. :)

Serge
From: yeff@Apple.COM (jeff soesbe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Anyone have results for Hermosa Beach??
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:41:50 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

Does anyone out there have information about how the men's US Beach
Championships in Hermosa Beach last weekend (Aug 28-30) went??

I was down there and got to see the winner's bracket final, and the
loser's bracket next-to-final, but had to leave to drive back and
didn't get to find out what happened.  I didn't tape the TV coverage,
nor did I read the papers.

So, I appeal to the net.  I'm not just looking for the final result
(which I actually know from a friend who watched it on TV), but also
for scores of games throughout the tournament.

If anyone who has this info will mail it to me, I'll summarize all I
receive and post it to the net.

Thanks to all who send!

jef
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: umlehner@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Mike Lehnertz)
Subject: Re: Volleyball Rule Question
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 23:10:58 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.220940.22337@unislc.uucp> mdq@unislc.uucp (Michael Quinn) writes:
>Could anyone tell me if you the receiving team is allowed to have a
>double hit on the serve.  If you try to bump the serve and then the ball
>bounces off another part of your body.  Is this allowed or NOT.  Also what
>is the rule on blocking the serve.

   No and no again.


                                          - Drummer -
From: rmp@crashnburn.Eng.Sun.COM (Richard Pottorff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Volleyball Rule Question
Date: 28 Aug 92 18:36:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: crashnburn


Just to expand this a little, what about setting a serve? I know that in 
the Olympics, World League, etc, they can't set the serve, but I've talked to 
people in high school, park leagues, etc, who insist you can.  At what level
does setting the serve become illegal?
Joe
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Joe,

Its legal at any level of play to set the serve, but its a poor play to
make. One, its difficult to set a hard serve cleanly (tho I've seen a
hard hit spike cleanly set (Golddiggers, if any one cares) ) and if a
serve is above your waist, its either out or someone elses ball. And,
its hard to set a ball that's below your waist.

Most high level teams use 2 or maybe 3 designated passers. They start fairly
close to the back line so that if the ball is head high, high enough to
pass it, they know its out.

At a low level of play, everybody wants to handle every ball that comes
their way, even if not handling it and letting it go out of bounds is
the better play (I still mess up in that category). 

Rick
From: lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: Court Dimensions?
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:59:27 GMT

Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.
Keywords: 

In article <1992Aug31.133909.25079@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> rsl@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Russell S. Laderer) writes:
>I know this is trivial, but what is the official height for
>men's and women's volleyball nets.
>
>Thanks,
>	Scott Laderer


Men's net is 8' and I believe the women's is 7'8" (not too sure about
that one).

Hope this helps.

-CRUSH
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: geddis@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Don Geddis)
Subject: Re: Court Dimensions?
Reply-To: Geddis@CS.Stanford.Edu
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date:  1 Sep 92 20:29:49 GMT

robp@landru.network.com (Rob Peglar) writes:

>Men - 2.43 meters , or 7'11 5/8"
>Women - 2.24 meters, or 7'4 1/4"
>The meters are exact measurements;  the inches are approximate (but close
>enough, don't get out your calculator)
>Rob
>USA National Referee

OK, now _why_ are such bizarre numbers like that the official heights?
Maybe it's just me, but these aren't the first numbers I'd come up with
if I were standardizing net height.  Does this make sense to anyone?

	-- Don Geddis
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli)
Subject: Re: Perceived Perceptions
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 12:59:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.201212.25602@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Ed Davis <abepd@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov> writes:
>Just a few thoughts...
>Recently there was a thread named AAAARRRRRggghghhhh, or something like
>that, which talked about the pros and cons of skilled players getting
>into picnic games.  What I would like to talk about is just the
>opposite... Unskilled players and why they try to get into higher level
>games.
>
>Volleyball unfortunately is perceived by the general populace as a picnic
>game to be played with all sorts of aunts, uncles, and various sizes of
>nieces and nephews.  Often times unskilled (read never played the game)
>bodies will watch a really good doubles or 4's game then ask if they can
>join in.
>
>I'm talking about A to Open level players on the beach, by the way.
>
>It usually goes something like this:
>
>          'Hey, you guys need a few more players?  We can stick 3 of us
>on one side 
>and 4 on the other.'
>
>          'Sorry, we're playing a serious game here.'
>
>          'But we really want to play, we're good.'
>
>          'Do you even know the rules?'
>
>          'Yeah, it's three hits and everything right?'
>
>          'We're talking about USVBA rules.'
>
>          'USV?        huh?'
>
>Usually it ends up with them putting a challenge team together only to
>get pounded, or they just give up and leave.  Either way they think that
>the VB players are jerks.
>
>Encounters like this have been common on the east coast beaches for some
>time.  It is getting better though, with the Olympic VB being televised
>and occasionally some Pro-Beach too.
>
>Anyway, VB players can be perceived as snobs because they try to keep the
>level of play up to their standards.  To all those who have been snubbed
>in the past, Oh Well    So It Goes.               
>
>Gotta Go,      Any comments?

I do have a comment....I have played open tournaments, both grass and sand, 
and whenever i go to Hampton Beach, there are a whole bunch of JERKS, like you
say, that will not let me play 'cause they don't know me.....This anoys me
but, c'est la vie.....

I believe a lot of people get their own net and gather their own people to make
sure that they get lots of practice games. Perhaps they are selfish, but the
best answer to this is get your own net, invite your favorite friends, and if 
someone comes along....LET HIM PLAY!!!!!!

This kind of behaviour is experienced by both unskilled and skilled players
that haven't made a name for themselves....Life's tough :(

Serge
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: Ed Davis <abepd@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Perceived Perceptions
Organization: nasa
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1b3
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 20:12:12 GMT

Just a few thoughts...
Recently there was a thread named AAAARRRRRggghghhhh, or something like
that, which talked about the pros and cons of skilled players getting
into picnic games.  What I would like to talk about is just the
opposite... Unskilled players and why they try to get into higher level
games.

Volleyball unfortunately is perceived by the general populace as a picnic
game to be played with all sorts of aunts, uncles, and various sizes of
nieces and nephews.  Often times unskilled (read never played the game)
bodies will watch a really good doubles or 4's game then ask if they can
join in.

I'm talking about A to Open level players on the beach, by the way.

It usually goes something like this:

          'Hey, you guys need a few more players?  We can stick 3 of us
on one side 
and 4 on the other.'

          'Sorry, we're playing a serious game here.'

          'But we really want to play, we're good.'

          'Do you even know the rules?'

          'Yeah, it's three hits and everything right?'

          'We're talking about USVBA rules.'

          'USV?        huh?'

Usually it ends up with them putting a challenge team together only to
get pounded, or they just give up and leave.  Either way they think that
the VB players are jerks.

Encounters like this have been common on the east coast beaches for some
time.  It is getting better though, with the Olympic VB being televised
and occasionally some Pro-Beach too.

Anyway, VB players can be perceived as snobs because they try to keep the
level of play up to their standards.  To all those who have been snubbed
in the past, Oh Well    So It Goes.               

Gotta Go,      Any comments?
Spankin'  Ed                                  "Show me a good loser
                                                           and I'll show
you an Idiot"
                                                                         
            Leo Durocher

email:    abepd@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov   <Goddard Space Flight Center>
From: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: AVP cards
Date: 3 Sep 1992 04:21:50 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bc751@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Howard Z. Shiau)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I'll try again.  Does anyone out there collect Beach Sports
trading cards?  Anyone want to trade?

Howard
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: marrero+@cs.cmu.edu (Wilfredo Marrero)
Subject: Re: Spiking
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Distribution: rec.sport.volleyball
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:19:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.142213.8327@ll.mit.edu> serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli) writes:
>In article <5071@news.duke.edu> lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep2.153209.9451@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> ckeller@denali.gsfc.nasa.gov (Christopher Keller) writes:
>>
>>Now the vertical.  I've found that form is key....
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^
>				Very Well Said !!!
>>timing, you don't have to jump haphazardly to get up.  I use a two step
>>approach - I start with my right foot (i'm right handed) then left and
>>then bring my right foot up to the left.  This is where it gets crucial,
>>as you put your right foot down, bend down putting both hands behind you
>>and then swing your arms hard as you jump - you'll get up much higher.
>
>From what you say, and please forgive me if i misunderstood, your last
>two steps are left/right?  IF this is so, i will not recommend this for
>a right handed person. For a righty, the last two steps are right/left.
>As you plant your right heel on the ground  your arms go back. You then
>roll your foot (from heel to toe like a rocking motion), and then plant
>your left foot (toe mainly). SO the approach goes: heel/toe,toe. We you
>plant with your left foot your arms swing up, your hips snaps forward and
>you arch your back.....

I also got the same impression.  I also would recommend taking your last step
with your left foot (assuming your right handed).  I have never seen anyone
(except possibly at picnic/family volleyball) use the other approach.  I tend
to use that last step with my left foot to stop my forward momentum and convert
it to vertical by placing in front of my right foot and at an angle (i.e. not
perpendicular to the net).  I am by no means an expert, but this is what works
for me and what I was told by my coach.

Will Marrero
marrero+@cs.cmu.edu
From: serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: Re: hitting past blocks
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:49:28 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory

In article <6103@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>In article <1992Sep2.140918.18252@ll.mit.edu>, serge@ll.mit.edu (Sergio Cafarelli) writes:
>> You must first look at the set and judge whether it's a good set, a trap set 
>> or an overset. If it's an overset, do as you which...hit it pass it or 
>> whatever. If it's a trap set, make sure you surround the ball with your HANDS,
>> and push INTO the court.
>
>What is a "trap set?"
>-- 

A "Trap Set" is a set where the blocker can comfortably surround the ball
with his hands so when you hit it you get ROOFED. Usually,it is a set
that anywhere between six inches off the net to on top off the net.

Hope this clarifies any question.

More info, write to serge@ll.mit.edu
Serge
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: geoff@flash.bellcore.com (Geoffrey Clemm)
Subject: Re: Court Dimensions?
Organization: Bellcore
Date: 31 Aug 92 12:44:32

In article <5002@news.duke.edu> lees@acpub.duke.edu (Steve Lee) writes:
   In article <1992Aug31.133909.25079@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu> rsl@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Russell S. Laderer) writes:
   >I know this is trivial, but what is the official height for
   >men's and women's volleyball nets.

   Men's net is 8' and I believe the women's is 7'8" (not too sure about
   that one).

Women's is 7'4".

Cheers,

Geoff
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: wilder@mik.uky.edu (jeff wilder)
Subject: Re: more height--cycling
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:50:37 GMT

I gotta say that I'm skeptical about this "cycling for increased vertical"
stuff.

I bike EVERYwhere.  I do not own a car, and while I have access to one, I
depend on my bike for transportation.  This comes out to 100 miles (at least)
a week, and my vertical *sucks*.  (I'm 6'5, and a decent hitter, but trust
me, when I say sucks, I mean sucks.)

Don't get me wrong, my legs are like iron, including thighs and calves.
But I don't think cycling uses the same muscles.  (And yes, I do cycle
properly.  Trust me, cycle for 3 or 4 years as your primary transportation,
and you'll make darn sure *you're* doing it with proper efficiency, too.)

What I used to do (before numerous sad events which made it temporarily
impossible (and, thus, as those of you who exercise regularly may know,
ended my routine permanently)), was jump-rope.  Hundreds, sometimes a
thousand or two, revolutions a day.  THIS helped.

In 3 months, I went from a 6'4 (several years ago) goof who couldn't dunk
a basketball, to a 6'4 goof who could 360 a basketball.  (Of course, I
couldn't do anything ELSE. :-)

Maybe there's something to cycling, in theory.  In practice, for me, it 
doesn't work.  BTW, I bought a jump rope a couple of weeks ago.  Pray for
me.  I'd really like to see our local court cratered by my smoking hits.


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
From: MULLEN@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu (Evil Twin)
Subject: Re: UCLA 3  Illinois 0
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20
Organization: Tony's Most Excellent NewsReader
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:23:29 GMT

In <Bu214L.A3q@news.cso.uiuc.edu> d-lewart@uiuc.edu writes:

> In NCAA Women's Volleyball, UCLA beat Illinois 15-8, 15-11, 15-8.
> 
And do you feel bitter about this, Dan?  Tell us how you really feel.  I mean,
don't bottle up those emotions, let if flow.  I can tell by your abrupt prose
that there's more that you *want* to tell us.

Tony -

Evil Twin -                                                       one_spike
	the Man, the Myth, the Legend in His Own Mind -         //~____/  ~\\
		mullen@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu                     \\~    \  ~//
                                                                  one_kill!
From: aec@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (arthur.e.cooper)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.volleyball
Subject: SPORTMART INVITATIONAL (Women's VB)
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:39:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsd.1992Sep2.163907.29580
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T



Does anyone have information on the Sportmart Invitational
(Women's volleyball tournament)? All I know at this time
is the date (Sept. 18-19) place (somewhere in the Chicago
area), teams (Duke, Illinois, LSU, Stanford, ?).

Thanks.
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