From: khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson)
Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
Subject: Re: Posting GIFs (PLEASE READ!)
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:36:27 GMT
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>What discussion?  All anyone wants to do is see the GIFs of the
>pictures that scarce few people are talking about.  If the people on this
>group were really interested in supermodels and not just t and a 
>perhaps they just might spend a few bucks on Vogue or Elle or even
>Cosmopolitan and actually see some diverse photos (more than just
>the swimsuit calendars that get scanned) and maybe even 
>learn who these supermodels are.  If you say GIFs are promoting discussion
>you're wrong, unless you call "scan, scan, scan" discussion.
>

That's not really true.  You can't discuss Picasso without showing his
paintings.  If someone said "hey, have you seen Cindy Crawford'n new
calendar?  Isn't she beautiful?"  I'd like to see the picture (GIF or
otherwise..)  Pictures of the models _DO_ inspire conversation.  
 
And you say yourself how pictures in Cosmo and Elle lead you to discover
new beauty.  That should be shared with everyone on this group.
 
I'd personally like to see an end to this "who's better, Cindy or
Paulina?" discussion.  Not only does that degrade the women themselves,
but it really goes nowhere.  I like Cindy Crawford for reasons I'd have a
difficult time explaining, but I assure you that her chest and her ass are
not on the list.  That's not really a comment towards you, but to the
people who do those little fights.
 
>I've been interested in the careers of supermodels for ten years 
>and I *buy* the magazines so I can see what my favourite models 
>are doing, and how they're looks are changing, and what they are 
>saying about their careers and the fashion and media industry that 
>they work for.  As well, I'm interested in the photographers who take 
>their pictures to see how they choose to photograph a model, 
>which models they seem to favour.  
>

Exactly...  This is what this group needs more of.  But that doesn't make
the posting of pictures for appropriate reasons any less valid.  I would
like to see more discussion of supermodels as _people_ not as a picture
you hang on the wall.  

>>...So I think we should make 
>>a seperate "alt.supermodels.pics" or something just for pictures.
>
>Definately.  I think it is great if obscure photos etc...are scanned
>so that people who live in areas where these pictures are unavailable
>can see them too, but recently it is just getting annoying trying to find any
>discussion past the numerous GIF posts.  If a separate group were started
>for the pictures, everyone could post GIFs all they wanted and wouldn't
>have to worry about taking up space in a group meant for discussion.
>As well, with a separate group for pics I don't think discussion would
>be hampered because the Gifs don't seem to encourage discussion after 
>everyone has seen them anyway.
>

Let me go a step further and say that the groups should be for new
pictures.  If I see someone post the infamous "CC050.GIF" again, I'll die.
 Anyone can FTP those at the numerous sites, and there is plenty of help
available for those who don't know how.
 
But let me stress that I _DO NOT_ want to discontinue the posting of
GIF's.  I only became a fan of Cindy Crawford a short time ago, and I like
the GIF's that span her career, especially since I missed a lot of it.  So
the GIF's of her Playboy pictorial are a good example of stuff I'd like to
see.  And more magazine covers, etc...  Stuff that isn't easy to find.

>>But the real point of this message is for all you you to read the name of
>>this newsgroup.  SUPERMODELS.
>
>>Buffy the Vampire Slayer is not a supermodel.  Neither is Christina
>>Applegate, as attractive as she is.  Those should go elsewhere.
>
>I agree with this.
>
>>Pictures should be limited to models.
>
>Yes, but not in this group, in a separate group for pics, right.
>I think that you, Ken Higginson, should look into starting a new group
>right away since you do have a great idea.  Then people only interested 
>in GIFs don't have discussion getting in their way and vice versa.
>

Right, in a seperate group for pictures.  And all requests should be
placed there also.  
 
And I think it should include Playboy/Penthouse pictures, since there is
really no place for them to go.  I doubt I would have recieved the
Lisa Mathews pictures if I asked for them elsewhere.  
 
So are we in agreement?  I will see what I can do about this.  Please,
lets get back to the reason we are here, the DISCUSSION of SUPERMODELS.
 
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