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From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Time Criticized??
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:54:40 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

scgeoff@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (GEOFF ELLIOTT) writes:


>Well, well, well.

>So when you all don't like an article in Time you want to boycott it?

>Why do I feel that if an article would ever appear criticizing Turkey, you
>would accept it as the gospel truth?   Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm????

>Face the facts people:  If they want to be called Macedonia, you can't
>stop them.   How about if they call themselves NEW Macedonia?  Would
>that make you feel better?

>Perhaps the small community of Berlin, Ohio should change it's name so
>as not to insult Germans?????????????????/

>Or maybe Athens, Ohio should change it's name too??   What do you think??

>Anxiously awaiting your flames people.  Fire away!

>My views do not reflect my employer, NASA, or the US Government.  I do
>relect the views of rational, thinking, un-paranoid people.

>Eniste!


Mr. Elliot,
you just entered my kill file. 

I would suggest all the readers of scg to do likewise since it is 
obvious that this brain damaged m...f... only wants to start yet 
another flame war. In that case, I hope he finds my comment hot 
enough.

					Yannis.

ps: I never get angry,:-).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: serdar@fawlty8.eng.monash.edu.au (Serdar Boztas)
Subject: Re: Kinites kai akinites giortes
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 01:58:52 GMT

pnevmati@milhouse.cs.wisc.edu (Dionisios N. Pnevmatikatos) writes:

>Prin ena mina peripou o Constantinos Caroutas esteile enan algorithmo pou
>briskei tin imerominia tou pasxa. Mipws kanenas exei mia lista me tis
>imerominies gia tis kyriwteres kinites kai akinites giortes? An den kanw
>lathos oles oi kinites exoun statheri apostasi apo to Pasxa?

Let me guess, using the very limited Greek I heard while growing up
in Cyprus, hopefully I won't embarass myself...

The question is regarding an algorithm to calculate the date of Easter
at any given year...

What is the difference between Pasxa (Easter) and giortes (this
sounds like 'yortu' which in Turkish is used to denote Christian
Orthodox rites, including Easter, and may be actually based on the word
giortes).

>Dionisis

Serdar

-- 
Inhabited by absurd fears,  they only discuss  the puerilities with which 
every fool is familiar, and dare not, by turning a bold hand to the human 
heart, offer its gigantic idiosyncrasies to our views.     Sade, 'Justine'
Serdar Boztas \\ serdar@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au \\ +(61)3-565-5722 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au (George Patapis)
Subject: Boycott TIME magazine
Reply-To: gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au
Organization: AOTC - CSSC
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 05:02:59 GMT


Most of you have probably read Talbott's article in TIME magazine
14th October under the America Abroad section.  He slammed Greece
with so much rubbish that it is amazing Time magazine is considered
a serious "News" magazine.

I call on everyone to boycott TIME magazine.  Write a letter telling
them how much you object to Talbot's malakies.  Cancel any subscriptions
and hit them where it hurts.  O palio pousths o Talbott o Skopianos tha
plhrwsei mia mera tis malakies tou.


ELLAS ELLAS MACEDONIA.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: varnavas@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (varnavas constantine)
Subject: Re: Some netters (was: Re: MIRacles No. 13)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 17:45:07 GMT

cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:

>I'll say it again if you like. The Turkish intervention in Cyprus was
>perfectly justified and probably saved the lives of vast numbers of
>Turkish Cypriots. The reality of today's world, whether it is liked or
>not, is that there are two countries on the Island of Cyprus.

Mr. Fear:

Can you explain how the Turkish invasion of Cyprus was justified?
On what principle of international law can one country invade another one
and occupy 37% of its territory?  And why do the U.N and all other
international organizations disagree with you on that?

Anxiously waiting for your response
-- 
Constantinos Varnavas
University of Illinois
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Some netters (was: Re: MIRacles No. 13)
Date: 14 Oct 92 10:22:39 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England

From article <Bw0rz8.BwD@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, by varnavas@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (varnavas constantine):
> Mr. Fear:
> 
> Can you explain how the Turkish invasion of Cyprus was justified?
> On what principle of international law can one country invade another one
> and occupy 37% of its territory?  And why do the U.N and all other
> international organizations disagree with you on that?
> 
> Anxiously waiting for your response

This isn't very difficult. Turkey's actions were precipitated by a
fascist coup which was abetted by the Greek junta of the day. It is
clear what would have happened next - annexation of Cyprus to Greece no
doubt accompanied by a massive pogrom against the Turkish population in
Cyprus. Turkish action stopped this and I believed saved innumerable
lives and a great deal of suffering by doing so. As to the views of the
United Nations these are not an index of the justice of any action and
are simply dictated by the interests of the most influential members of
that organisation as they perceive them at some point in time - a look
at the contradictory string of resolutions on the Middle East is enough
to prove that. Turkish action stopped the establishment of a fascist
regime in Cyprus and indirectly put an end to one in Greece, perhaps
Greeks ought to feel grateful about this.

Andy
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.yugoslavia,misc.headlines,soc.culture.europe
From: sachz@montebello.ecom.unimelb.EDU.AU (SAS)
Subject: Re: Boycott TIME magazine
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek.soc.culture.yugoslavia
Organization: Dept. Engineering Computer Resources, Melbourne Uni.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:02:21 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.050259.26039@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au writes:
>
>Most of you have probably read Talbott's article in TIME magazine
>14th October under the America Abroad section.  He slammed Greece
>with so much rubbish that it is amazing Time magazine is considered
>a serious "News" magazine.

Perhaps since TIME has written about it, and until now [?] you have
all accepted the credibility of the paper, maybe there is some truth
in what they post. This is ofcourse true, until they post some truth's
that we dont like. I guess TIME just doesn't have enough Greek writers
with big Bank Cheques subsidies by the EC to withdraw articles such as
the one which was published.

>I call on everyone to boycott TIME magazine.  Write a letter telling
>them how much you object to Talbot's malakies.  Cancel any subscriptions
>and hit them where it hurts.  O palio pousths o Talbott o Skopianos tha
>plhrwsei mia mera tis malakies tou.

... but what happens when they eventually find something positive to
write about Mitsotakis's Greece. Do we all rush to resubscribe to TIME???
If we follow this example, we will end up boycotting the entire non-Greek
dominated media, and we will have nothing of value left to read. 
I guess there is truth to the saying:

     "Time does tell all truths (and heals all wounds) ..."

>ELLAS ELLAS MACEDONIA.

Oh, you're Greek. I get it now... :)

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Its good to see Telecom Facilities used justifiably ...

SAS.
From: schoinas@fox.cs.wisc.edu (Yannis Schoinas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: SKOP(L)JE/MACEDONIA: WHAT'S IN A NAME
Date: 12 Oct 92 03:43:58 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

dik@cwi.nl (Dik T. Winter) writes:

>In article <Bvz7JM.4x8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes:
> >   The strong opposition Greece has expressed over the name Macedonia being
> >adopted by Yugoslavia's southernmost breakaway republic is said to have raised
> > smiles in some sophisticated chancelleries.  There are many sort of smiles.
>But these are no longer smiles.
> >   Early last month Greece broke off talks with a delegation that came down
> > from Skopje when it refused to discuss the issue over the name.
>So apparently Greece does not want to talk about anything, except when the
>name issue is settled.  Meanwhile blockading the country to exert force.
> >                                                                         Just
> > last month Skop(l)je circulated a draft banknote depicting the White Tower,
> > emblem of Thessaloniki.
>This is slander.  Which official institution did circulate such a banknote?

> >            Creating a grammar worthy of a full-scale language from this
> > scramble of words became a cottage industry from Skop(l)jean intellectuals
> > who forged that mighty new vehicle of human expression now known as
> > Macedonian, which, we see now, even the Pope can communicate in.
>Is that the reason why Greece does not recognize any document written in
>that language?

>What I think (yes think) is happening is that Greece is hoping that when
>Serbia finishes off Bosnia-Hercegovina they will continue with Macedonia,
>and in this way exterminate all Muslims in the Balkan.  Cynical?  Yes.

Excuse me but I fail to see the connection between the Muslims of the Balkans
and the x-yugoslavian republic of Macedonia. 

							Yannis.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: senel@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Hakan)
Subject: Greek Navy,Air Force and Army
Originator: senel@irlsp
Organization: Insulting, Ridiculing, Forwarding Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 18:11:57 GMT


Tri* writes:

> Actually I had a rather interesting question. Back when I was in
> Greece, Navy had the longest service, then Air Force, then Army.
> Navy was almost 2 1/2 years then, air force 2 months less, army
> 2 months less than air force and so on.

Spiros,

I guess it takes a long time to learn swimming for Greeks.
The extra 4 months period is the swimming training. The service 
duration for the Air Force is a bit shorter because all Greeks 
have a common inherent flying capability (especially about Greece)
Any objection?. Finally, all Greeks know how to walk so there
is no need for extra duration.

It seems logical eh?

> Spiros

Hakan
-- 
___
God made the Idiot for practice, and then He saw that Asbest Bedrossian 
was born. He said "well, this seems pretty coooool."  -Hakan Senel 1992 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no (Kambiz Iranpour Mobarekeh)
Subject: Mythology questions 
Reply-To: kambizm@fidibus.uio.no (Kambiz Iranpour Mobarekeh)
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 14:56:19 GMT


I am looking for the names of some mythological personalities
whom I read about  once. One is the guy who still rolls
a stone up the hill again and again. The other is one who is 
thirsty standing in a river in Hades trying to drink water but
the water disappears each time. What was his name. Third question
is was it Ogyas (or Ogias) barns which were cleaned by Hercul?


                              Thank you
                                Persian king  Kambiz (Cambyses as the
                                                      greeks say)
From: 8800529@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: greeks can't swim
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:31:52 GMT
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW

In article <9210141329.AA03762@kocrsw06.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.DElcoelect.COM (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>> >back) during summer. Is it any wonder we can't swim?
>
>Panos wrote:
>
>> The "We" should be replaced by "Athenians."
>
>Most definitely :-). I've spent time in non-Athenian places (Nafplio,
>Zakynthos) and these folks *really* know how to swim. No need for 
>traffic jams, either...

	Zakynthos :-) the bset place on earth (So I am objective :-)
Actualy you don't need to know how to swim in Zakynthos. the last time I swam
there was in a beach called Alikes and the water was so shallow that you could
walk 100 meters from the beach and still be able to walk on sand !! The water
was so clear that on the way to Zakynthos on the ship you could see to the bottom
of the sea !! No wonder the Greek beaches were voted the best in Europe.


>
>Spiros

	George
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
From: scg@bashan.cs.wisc.edu ( Scg)
Subject: thriambos ths ethnikhs mas sthn islandia me 1-0
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:33:51 GMT

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Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:9573 soc.culture.bulgaria:1496 soc.culture.yugoslavia:9069
From: sadi@physics1 (Sadi Turgut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Turkish Logic (was Re: Understanding...)
Date: 7 Oct 1992 12:52:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Oct6.072441.25547@wuecl.wustl.edu> tpd1@cec2.wustl.edu (Theodore P. David) writes:
> > How about Enosis?  Isn't it based on Megali Idea? Although, today people
> 
> 	I don't think so. "Enosis" was the desire of 82% of the population of 
                                                     ^^^
> the island to unify with Greece and not vice versa (which is "Megali Idea").

 Are you inventing numbers by yourself Theodore? :-). Or should I interpret
this as a sign of recognition that Turkish Cypriots didn't want Enosis?
There was only one case in which 'Enosis' is brought to the vote of
Greek Cypriots, which was the so-called "plebiscite" of 1950, where
voting took the form of writing ones name on a petition posted outside
the churches. In this way Greek Cypriots got the oppurtunity to display
how nationalistic they were by "voting," or ....(you fill in the spaces.)

 Anyway. Let's get back to the main point. Enosis efforts were not the sole product
of Greek Cypriots or the Greek Cypriot people. There were many more active
supporters from the "motherland," like Grivas. And one should not forget
the Sampson coup, which was completely arranged by Greek junta to oust
slow-working-in-the-way-of-Enosis Makarios. The point is not  whether
or not Greek Cypriots supported Enosis (which most of us don't have
such suspicions, though it may not be true.) but whether some people
in Greece supported it. And by support, I don't mean emotionally or
principally. Support in a way to destroy it.

> >do not talk much about it, it didn't disappear yet. During Papandreu's
> >visit, lots of 'Enosis' slogans were heard. Also, what does 'pan-Hellenic'
> >mean? And why 'Hellen-ism' frequently means 'Greeks'?
> >
> 	Well, that's an easy one. Because 'Hellenism' does not "frequently"
> means 'Greeks'; it is the SAME thing. From Webster's dictionary:
> 	Hel-len-ic: of or relating to Greece, its people or its language.
> 	Hel-len-ism : Greek civilization.

 You are not saying the same thing. The main question is what is the
job of "-ism" there?

> Regards,
> Theodore David

 Sadi Turgut
-- 
  The Greeks have survived in spite of all the world could
do against them, and all they could do against themselves.
              --Sir Winston Churchill
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:9529 soc.culture.bulgaria:1486 soc.culture.europe:8822
From: sadi@physics1 (Sadi Turgut)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Re: Turkish Logic
Date: 7 Oct 1992 12:59:37 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: physics1.berkeley.edu

In article <Oct06.194326.38784@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas) writes:

> It's based on the desire of the majority of the Cypriots to unite Cyprus
> with Greece. Don't forget that in 1939 Hatay that had a 60 percent Turkish
> population united itself with Turkey. The idea of enosis is contemporary
> to that event. Why couldn't Cyprus which had 80 percent Greek population
> unite itself with Greece?

 Sorry. For 18%, it meant exchange of colonizers for the worse.
Now, tell me what is wrong with a free and independent Cyprus?
Why was this "union" so important that, some people contributed
to its destruction. If there weren't this uncompromising attitude
of some Enosis supporters, the Republic of Cyprus could have worked.

> >visit, lots of 'Enosis' slogans were heard. Also, what does 'pan-Hellenic'
> >mean? And why 'Hellen-ism' frequently means 'Greeks'?
> 
> Hellas is Greece, Hellenism is the Greek nation, and panhellenic is of all
> Greeks.

 Thanks. That was what I had in my mind.

> Constantinos A. Caroutas

 Sadi Turgut
-- 
  The Greeks have survived in spite of all the world could
do against them, and all they could do against themselves.
              --Sir Winston Churchill
From: georget@cs.man.ac.uk (George Theodoropoulos)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek
Subject: Ok, soc.CULTURE.greek
Keywords: Ithaki
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:35:06 GMT


            ITHACA
           --------
As you go on the journey to Ithaca,
Pray that your way may be a long one,
Full of adventures, full of knowledge,
Do not be afraid of Poseidon's anger,
The Cyclops and the Laestrygonians,
You will never find such things upon your journey
If your thoughts remain lofty, and if a fine
Feeling has touched your body and your soul.
You will not meet the fierce Poseidon,
The Cyclops and the Laestrygonians
If you have not brought them with you, in your spirit,
If your spirit does not set them before you.

Pray that your way may be a long one.
Many let them be, the summer mornings
When with what pleasure, with what joy
You enter harbours never seen before;
You stop at Phoenician trading-stations,
And buy their lovely things;
Mother-of-pearl and coral, amber and ebony
And delicious perfumes of every kind,
As plentiful as you like, delicious perfumes.
You go to a number of Egyptian cities,
You learn and learn from the men of science.

Always have Ithaca at the back of your mind.
The arrival there is your objective.
But do not be in any harry on your journey.
Better to let it last for years.
In old age you will anchor at the island,
Rich with all you have gained upon the way,
Not expecting Ithaca to give you riches.
Ithaca gave you the lovely journey.
Without her you would never have started-
But she has nothing more to give you.

And if you find her poor, Ithaca has not deceived you.
With so much experience you have become so wise
That you knew already the meaning of Ithacas.

                                     K.KAVAFIS
                                 Alexandreia, 1911
Xref: sparky soc.culture.greek:9618 soc.culture.bulgaria:1506 soc.culture.yugoslavia:9084
From: lb@cs.man.ac.uk (Luben Boyanov)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: Two Quizzes on Macedonia (was Ioannes Scylitzes on Tsar Samuil)
Date: 10 Oct 92 09:31:39 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.greek
Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K.

In article <92283.033411PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

[text where we both appear to agree on the issues :-) - deleted]

>> That's why I recommended you Rev. Tozer and Brailsford,

[deleted on Brailsford]

>> But I am 100 % certain that it wasn't you who mentioned it on
>> the net,
>
>OK,  this shows  me  that these percentages of yours are rather..

WHY DID YOU CLIPPED THE REST OF MY SENTENCE????? THAT GIVES COMPELETELY
DIFFERENT MEANING OF MY THOUGHTS. If you don't want to play fair - it's up
to you. Several netters have exposed what intentional clipping of text
WHICH CHANGES THE MEANING of that text leads to. The credability of such
methods are not highly admirable. I DID NOT ARGUE THAT IT WAS YOU, WHO
FIRST MENTIONED AND QUOTED BRAILSFORD ON THE NET. As you can't PROVE THE
OPOSITE WITHOUT CLIPPING MY SENTENCES, it's clear what your intentions are.

>The posting was <92176.032316PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>.   I posted it

I NEVER SAID that it wasn't you who mentioned Brailsford first. I SAID that
the on WHO RAISED MY INTEREST TOWARDS THE BOOK WASN'T YOU but Sasa !!! BTW,
how old are you?


Until that last sentence I thought there can be a dialogue again.


>                                               Andronikos Romanos
From: mece2c6@elroy.uh.edu (92F02771)
Subject: Electronic publications in Greek?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:14:00 GMT

Greek publications with concentration in politic and economic enviroment 
are of great interest. Please sent me andresses and instructions of the 
way to be followed. I just kame from Greece two days ago. 


                                                             Makis./.
From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Re: An article about Macedonia in TIME (october 12, 1992)
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:10:21 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In <1992Oct11.070153.6263@cs.tulane.edu> ck@cs.tulane.edu (Cris Koutsougeras) writes:

>In article <kutluk.718734318@ccl.umist.ac.uk> kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) writes:

>>between Italy and Switzerland. It is so bad that the Greek intellectuals
>>along with the Serbian bretren still live in the 19th century, and it
>>is the Bosnians, Macedonians, Croats and Kosovans who are paying the
>>price. 
>>
>>Kutluk


>Maybe it is the Turkish underground dealing that hurts the Macedonians
>since they only have the Turkish official support AND offer for

[STUFF'ed "imam_bayIldI"kis , an *authentic* Greek food]

Maybe not only the Turkish underground but also Ernst Stavro Bloffeld,
who has been the man behind all conspiracies of the world. And if you think
the great pro-Hellenic Englishman killed him in For Your Eyes Only,
you certainly *don't* know what kind of secret dealings running between 
the Turkish underground,  treacherous Bloffeld,  and his cat. I think
it is the time to include Bulgarians, Russians, and the Filipino in
the deal  since they too recognized that gypsy-like non-existing
country called  <BANG BANG!!> .... argghh ..

                 [ to  be continued ]
Newsgroups: soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.yugoslavia