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From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re: Questions for musicologists
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:15:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.140459.4135@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Victoria.M.Haliburton@dartmouth.edu (Victoria M. Haliburton) writes:
>Rob: I do appreciate your effort, thanks, but I'm afraid you haven't
>gone anywhere but around a circle. You've said the sound is distinct
>because it's distinct and the beat takes its time because it takes its
>time. Can anyone give a more enlightening explanation?
>Thanks
>Vic

I'll try- on St. Stephen <and other tunes as well> it's very rubato <the tempo
is free and not strictly played ie Tempo Giusto>- so they really are dragging
behind the beat to start with and then there are times when the tempo is
expanded or contracted to add effect.
  The DEAD's sound is a tougher one, I think what you mean by being able
  to identify the Dead immediately has an awful lot to do with their sound
  set-up and the sort of signal processing they use. I'd reckon that besides
  knowing it's the Dead, you also know pretty much from what time period it's
  from too just as quickly. The Dead`s sound system is <and has usually been>
  state of the art- I once hear Healy give a lecture on it <at L`ecole
  Normale du' Grateful Dead? No, close- Hampshire College>. Jerry's
  playing is distinctive to begin with, but within two notes you won't 
  hear that- you will hear the characteristic signal processing that makes
  his guitar immediately identifiable though. I could hazard guesses about 
  exactly what the configuration is or use descriptive phrases, but I'll
  bet there are plenty of guitar players on the net that could tell you
  better than I. Hope that helps.
  bq


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: tnf@well.sf.ca.us (David Gans)
Subject:  Fall tour NOT cancelled
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 22:05:39 GMT

In article <1992Aug11.112931.9774@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> METZ@vtvm2.bitnet writes:
>A good source told me last night ....  that the fall tour will be
>cancelled, due to uncertainty about Jerry's health.

I just spoke with the Grateful Dead Ticket Office, and the above information
is FALSE.  The Fall Tour has NOT been cancelled.  Repeat, NOT cancelled.
The Fall Tour.

The only cancelled shows are Veneta and Shoreline.


-- 

	David Gans	tnf@well.sf.ca.us
			{apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!tnf

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: dalton@mtl.mit.edu
Subject: Looking for Tapes
Reply-To: dalton@mtl.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:28:32 GMT



I'm looking for good copies (upfront or board, cassette masters or digital)
of the following:

1) Reggae Sunsplash 92 Tour
2) Lolapolooza 92 (Especially Jesus & Mary Chain)
3) George Harrison 5/26/92 London with Clapton et al.
4) BOARD MASTER ONLY of last years 2nd Giant Stadium Dead Show (6/??/91)

I can trade dat, pcm or open reel.
I have a vast amount of similar material to offer in exchange.

Thanks,

	Tim
	tjdalton@mit.edu
	dalton@mtl.mit.edu
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From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re:  smokin' at shows
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:24:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.002108.19239@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> sjeck@isi.com writes:
>quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)writes
>
>|Well, Yeah, I'm for real. As I mentioned before, if you are stealthy
>                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|they really don't know where it came from.
>
>Don't you mean if you are a chicken-shit, little piss-ant?
>
Well, I could be mistaken, maybe the fact that I'm 6'4" and built made
them *pretend* they didn't know where it came from...

>|If you walked right up in their face and did it you
>|might as well be really confrontational and I wasn't advocating 
>|starting brawls in the aisles.
>
>yeah you did.  you may find some drunks who are too stupid
>to figure out who is shooting them with a squirt gun, but we
>ain't all that stupid.  watch your ass.
>
No. I wasn't, but if you'd like a piece of me you'll have to come
to Texas 'cause I don't travel to shows anymore. <you're probably
stupider than you realize...>

>who ever said quitting smoking is good for you?
The surgeon general for one.....DF

>
>steve-too
>
bq



Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 11:07:41 -0400 
From: Kenneth Murphy <km0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Aint No Dead w/o Jerry

Subject line says it all
IMHO without Jerry it wouldn't be the Dead.
It might be a damn good group, but not the Dead.
Get Well Soon Jerry!
Ken




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"One Man Gathers What Another Man Spills"
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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: Jerry knows modes!
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 17:00:53 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.235223.22986@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com writes:
>	To "brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu": I TOTALY DISAGREE with your
>assesment that technical discussions of The Music should be taken to another
>group.  And further more, to say that Phil is the only "schooled" musician
>in the band is an insult to the other members.  Did you read either of 
>Hart's books?  This man knows percussion inside and out.  While he may not
>have an officialy recognized degree, he has certainly STUDIED his subject
>well.  Have you listened to Ornette Coleman's cd "Virgin Beauty" that has
>Garcia on 3 or 4 songs?  Or for that matter, have you listened to any mind
>expanding solo of Jer's?  Anyone who has not LEARNED his instrument to the
>degree that Garcia has could not have pulled off what he has.  Don't for
>a second think that these guys don't know what they're doing.  


So it is apparent you missed most if not all of what I was trying to
say, sorry for this I am not a novelist, nor accomplished writer,
always did pretty good in school, bu tthats was so long ago.

I never said that the Dead didn't know what they were doing, in 
fact I thing they do what they do better than anybody around, which
should be evident in the longevity of their existance.

I think what I was trying to refute was the egomanic type discussions
of technical asspects of analytical disection of the MUSIC, which is
NOT BAD if this is the way you wish to look, study, or approach music,
But being highly technical in theory, and abstract analysis of the
music isn't what made the Dead, THE DEAD, the music the Dead make
is music of TALENT before it is music of schooled musicianship, unless
you count the EXPERIENCE and ARTISTIC application of their art, which
is the art of music.

It is ironic that time and the artists have brought this music to
the levels it now holds, where it is now even studied and taught
at the university levels, in 1966 to say 1970 this would have been
laughed at in most universities. Truely, "What A Long Strange Trip
It Has Been"

Mans idea of his position in life and purpose in life is a greater
illusion, than the illusion of life it's self.--- I said that!


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From: lenniec@ft-b.isc-br.com (Lennie Carlberg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Does Garcia have an obligation?
Date: 13 Aug 92 18:21:55 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company


>In article <Aug.12.14.49.50.1992.16273@gandalf.rutgers.edu> pfein@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Peter Fein) writes:
>>once).  Does Jerry have an obigation to stay healthy and keep the band
>>going strong especially since they keep those tours coming.


  One thing that nobody has mention yet is the fact that in the fall of
 91? Jerry specifically said that he needed/wanted a 6 month break from
 touring with the Dead. But he was out voted by the rest of the BAND.
 Now this is pure speculation but I bet that if Grateful Dead had taken
 that break like Jerry wanted/needed to that he would not be in the 
 condition he's in now.


Lennie Carlberg
From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Todd Mentions Pedal Steel
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:30:01 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

brown@sunspot.sunspot.noao.edu mentions:

>And Jerry take care, get well and look out these guys are hot on your
>heels their going to figure out how you do what you do, but I'll bet
>they still won't have the sparkelin' essense that make your music
>so unique to you alone, and try pickin' on that old steel-pedal
>again I miss it, you are the best IMHO!

This gave me a flashback (drug free) of the only time I had a chance to
see Jerry play pedal steel.  I was at Foxboro for the Dylan/Dead show
a few years back.  The Dead opened and played clean & classic stuff (no 
major surprises, but sweet stuff).  It was July (I believe) and mighty hot,
and we had gotten there early.  I went to get beers for me and the wife,
and the damp shade under the stands was a relief.  But the beer stand was
a mob scene.  I stood through the entire "short" break, and was almost to
the counter when I heard a roar and some tuning.  Shit, I'm gonna miss the
first one, I thought. Oh well, what's one less Dylan song.

Now, the playing started and the sound was pretty washed out under the 
stands.  The stadium had a Diamondvision set up, and the band was 
using it to show close ups, some tidy graphics and some computer-enhanced
delay shots, etc.  At the beer stands they had a small color monitor, mostly
so bloodball fans wouldn't miss a Patriot's play while tanking up. So I look
up, and what do I see?  There's Jerry at the pedals!  Double shit!  By the
time I got the beers and beat it on up to the seats, they were just finishing.
He didn't go near the pedal steel the rest of the night, best I can remember.
Oh well.  As you can imagine, I was "Mr fun to be with" most of the rest of
the night, between cursing my luck and cursing my stupidity for staying in
the beer mob.

At least my wife got to see it, so when she complains about never having
heard "Loser" live, I can console her with Foxboro Pedal Steel.

So, on a similar theme, what's the net opinion of some of the better Jerry
pedal steel shows out there in tapeland?  And would one of these shows make
a decent 3FTV or 4FTV...

Matt
Other times I can barely see :-(
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: quaglia@seas.smu.edu (Bruce Quaglia)
Subject: Re: smokin' at shows
Organization: SMU School Of Engineering and Applied Science
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 17:57:23 GMT

>with respect to the perfect people who don't smoke,
>dont' drive cars or have a fireplace.  can you tell 
>us somethingabout that SOLAR-POWERED COMPUTER you're 
>using?  If you cheat and use batteries, you're still
>polluting.
>
>steve-too

None of my posts contained in substance or implication anything about 
environmentalism or pollution, you <or maybe someone else, I'm not keeping
track> introduced that into the discussion presumably as a diversionary
tactic. Cigarrette smoking in public areas is a> offensive to everybody
around you who is not a smoker <with some exceptions, but it's probably
also offensive to some smokers around you are considerate enough to not
smoke>. b>is NOT, NOT, NOT your *right*..... c> is directly linked to 
detrimental health effects for those who have to breathe your second-hand
smoke d> is illegal <do get that part? it's not only NOT your right to
smoke in public areas, it IS my right to not have to breathe your smoke
in public areas....>

    Ciggarette smoking is an incredibly powerful addiction so I'm not 
    really surprised at all when all manner of hyperbole and rationalization
    are dragged out to defend it, however, that doesn't change anything.
From: ingraffi@tramp.Colorado.EDU (INGRAFFIA EDMOND J)
Subject: Re: G.D.H. question (?)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 01:06:40 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.135354.6106@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> andrejkow@tbosch.dnet.ge.com writes:
>
>	Caught just a brief segment of last night's Grateful Dead Hour.
>What I heard was about 5 minutes of the segway from China Cat to I know You
>Rider.  What blew me away was the different chords they were using in "Rider".
>There was also a voice in there that I didn't recognize.  The chords they
>were playing (Weir and (?) Godcheau (?)) sounded like they could have just as
>easily seuged into "Uncle John's".  That is, they had a very "major" kind
>of "happy", "bouncy" sound that I don't normaly equate with "Rider".
>I was in my car and had to get out before I caught any info. on the given
>performance.  Can anyone help me out here???  THANX!


	That version of China-->Rider was played quite a few times during
the '73-'74 period...my fave is the one from 12/12/73 at the Omni.  It
DOES sound like UJB somewhat...I wish they'd pull a mid-segue-jam like
that out these days...give it a little more improv (not that they ever do
any improv or the sort....:^))

	But, looks like we'll have to wait a bit longer to hear ANY
segues at all...especially those of us in the Rocky Mountains. Gotta
hope all the truths and rumours work out -- Jerry recovers fully and
the Boyz do a BIG MAC run in December!!!  

Yangety!!
From: gertben@ocf.berkeley.edu (Benjamin Gertner)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Tape of 8/20/89 Greeks Show Sought
Date: 17 Aug 1992 20:40:06 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu
Keywords: Tape of 8/20/89 Greeks Show Sought

In article <1992Aug17.170310.14632@odin.corp.sgi.com> helen@aikoaiko.esd.sgi.com (Helen Maher) writes:
>
>I am trying to track down a copy of the Dead's last show at the Greeks
>Theatre in Berkeley, CA on August 20th, 1989.  It was the first and last
>time I saw them there. 

Sorry to nitpick, but you're going to have a lot of trouble tracking 
down that tape, because the Dead didn't play a show that day. Originally,
they were scheduled to play on the 20th (My b-day!), but they moved that
show to the 17th because the University didn't want them to intefere 
with Freshman orientation. So I guess the tape you're looking for is of
the 19th, because that's the last show the Dead ever played (so far, let's
hope) at the Greek. No, I don't have the tape, sorry, and I wasn't there,
but I wouldn't mind having it myself. :-)

-Ben

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Rob Gilde <gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com>
Subject: Correction to "Life After The Dead" announcement!!!
Reply-To: gilde@jaco.ds.boeing.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:59:39 GMT

In my haste to get this info out, I screwed up!

The correct dates are Saturday August 22 and Sunday August 23.  
                             
Sorry.

Rob
From: sheila_momaney@rad-mac1.ucsf.edu (Sheila Momaney)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: It was a smokin' show
Date: 21 Aug 92 17:13:24 GMT
Reply-To: sheila_momaney@rad-mac1.ucsf.edu
Organization: The Internet

GatorMail-Q                   It was a smokin' show

How many deadheads does it take to change a lightbulb?

None, they don't like to change.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Steve -- The Other One <sjeck@isi.com>
Subject: Re:   The Grateful Dead and the Mixolydian Mode...
Reply-To: sjeck@isi.com
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:49:42 GMT

Todd Brown writes:

|Question, is this or is this not a recreational
|newsgroup(rec.music.gdead)? So we need this highly technical
|disscusion on how it is the Dead manage to Jam so well.

I, for one, found this to be probably the most interesting
article I've read here in a year or so.  Curtis was very 
thorough.  Of course, I've been playing around with music
for 20+ years.  If you don't understand, study it, but don't
feel threatened by things you don't understand.

FYI Jerry gave music lessons here in the South Bay for years
before the Grateful Dead started. 

The things Curtis talked about where not that complicated.
Let's get on to the discussions of tensions!  No, not flames,
added 9th's and 13th's and stuff like that.

Steve-TOO

"yeah, it's music"  -Phil
"everything we do is music" -Garcia
From: mattb@ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Musical analysis and rec.music.gdead
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:03:44 GMT
Reply-To: mattb@olympus.ctron.com (Matt Brown)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

While I don't agree that the musical analysis is the most interesting thing
on r.m.gd (and I'll elaborate), I would like to see it continue, and I would
not like to see the group fragmented.  No matter what is said about News
overload, I find it harder to keep up with fragmented newgroups and repetive
cross-posts than to hit "n".  The feed I get is bad enough now (sometimes I
see replies to erplies before I see the originals) without multiple groups.
I used to get predigested news through an office mail system, and it was harder
I admit, to slog through.  But better that than miss that important peice of
info.

I personally like the variety we have here.  Ticket stuff, tape grovels,
lyric requests and disputes, political diatribes, tour guides, dreams,
flames, poetry, set lists, etc.  Think about it.  It's like the "scene".
As you wander through the crowd, you never know what snippet you're going
to hear, what you're gonna be offered, what the next crackpot or kind soul
is apt to do.  Put on the headphones and a fine tape while you're reading,
and you're there!  And just like you can only exercise limited influence
on your concert neighbors, so it is here.  It may be a limited substitute,
but it's the best you can get off a character-based terminal.  If you don't
like a conversation, you can either walk away or try to change it.

Anyway, back to the music discussions.  My music background is technically
limited, but I enjoy the discussions, and the comparisons with other music-
ians and traditions.  I get the drift but not the subleties.  If the group 
was soley this discussion, I'd eventually tune out.

To the musicologists:  so far, most of your references back to the Dead
themselves have been kinda general.  How bout somebody taking a specific
performance (either tape or album) and explaining a piece of it.  Since
transitions are one of the trademarks of the band, give us a breakdown
of the movement from say, the Europe 72 China Cat to Rider, in these terms.
The more widely available the "cut" the more widely your analysis can be
appreciated.  Or compare two particular performances where you see an
interesting difference or growth (say from an early version to a later
version).  This is a little tougher than speaking in general terms about
Space, but it could be interesting reading.

Another aspect: keep the technical stuff in there, but also give a summary
in more layman's terms, talking about the "feel" of the music, in addition 
to the "logic" of it.  Some of you have done this, and it has kept the 
articles interesting to the "instrumentally challenged" among us.

Matt
Thanks, and let's keep the "scene" alive
It could be the only scene we have for a while
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: bs810@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (D. Eric Nay)
Subject: Re: Fall Tour (was:Re: Veneta Shows)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 01:39:39 GMT



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rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) sez:
>phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
>>Note also that TicketMaster sales for the fall tour are currently on hold,
>>although the concerts are still planned to go on.
>>
>So, this is of course wild speculation, but what do we think the chances of
>the fall tour actually happening are? The Cap Center shows are less than a
>month away, and they are 'postponing' TM sales of these tickets. They 

FWIW, Cap Ctr shows are sold out via TM...(least that's what I was gonna
say)--furthur investigation reveals "possible obstructed seating" still avail.
for Wed. and Thurs. at 202-432-SEAT---but anyway, my point was that the TM 
on-sale date for CapCtr shows has already passed, not sure 'bout Philly.

Good healing to ya Jerry, many thoughts are with you, wonder if the Spockman
is out there practicin' some of that rhythmic healin'...
cya, eric n
From: burnett@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Gary Burnett)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Good wishes for Jerry
Date: 15 Aug 92 01:15:39 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Now that the fall tour is definitely off, it's a good time for us all
to pause & reflect for a moment or two on whatever it is that Jerry
and the Dead have meant (and will continue to mean) in our lives.
Whatever that is, it's certainly more than flame-wars, Diamondhead
jokes (keep 'em coming, folks :-), music theory (ditto) etc.

For me, they are *one* of the things that have made life worth
living for almost as many years as I can remember (and I'm one
of them old farts).  And very, very special because of that.

My thoughts & wishes are with Jerry for a long, healthy, and happy
life.

--Gary B.

"And they kept on dancing ..."
-- 
Gary Burnett                             burnett@gandalf.rutgers.edu 
130 Columbia Street                      gburnett@zodiac.rutgers.edu   
Highland Park, NJ  08904                          jera@well.sf.ca.us

"Things then did not delay in turning curious."  --Thomas Pynchon
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: question about TFTV
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 15:28:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.005207.5504@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Victoria.M.Haliburton@dartmouth.edu (Victoria M. Haliburton) writes:
>Sorry I haven't given this one a good enough listen, but has anyone
>else but me caught the Donovan tune in the 1968 stuff?
Which tune?????
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From: mc@vicorp.com (Mark Charalambous)
Subject: Re: Philosophical and Academic discussions of the Dead's music....
Organization: V. I. Corporation, Northampton, Massachusetts
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:22:08 GMT

Curt          

Thanks for the insightful post. I hope it stimulates a lot of response.

Mark

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