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From: tbuckley@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Tim Buckley)
Subject: Re: Judgmentalism (was Re: Whose Truth?)
Organization: Dept. of Psychology, Univ. of Illinois, Urbana
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:27:35 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.184643.4559@news.unomaha.edu> KKRUEGER@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Kurt R. Krueger) writes:
>In <1992Jul30.151251.9588@dbsun.uucp> hulsey@dbsun.uucp writes:
>> 
>> Then why all of the Christian missionaries?
>
>Your point is accurate.  One simply cannot believe in the Bible and say that
>"it is not up to the Christian to make the non-Christian believe."  (Well,
>"make" is too strong, but I don't think the poster intended force.)  I am
>tired of seeing Christians being afraid to admit this as if there were some-
>thing wrong with it.  The best thing for civilization is a free marketplace
>of ideas.  This new concept that all religions are equal and good, and we
>dare not try to convince others that our own is the correct one dilutes the
>value of Christianity.  Suppose we applied this same principle to politics?

You might want to replace the word missionaries with advertisers.  In a
sense that is what they do.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with
this.  Just as it is the right of Coke to try to get people to consider
switching from Pepsi it is the right of religious groups to try to get
others to consider their views.  Just as it is the responsibility of the
board of directors of Coke to try to increase market share it is also
the responsibility of Christians to try to increase market share be it
through outright advertising (such a as Mormons do on TV) or by good
example.  The only problem occurs if they violate the rights of others
in the process.  This, of course, can sometimes happen and should not be
permitted.  

>There is no proscription of birth control in the Christian faith.
>All the Protestant, married Christians I've known (and they're
>conservative) have used it.  The only proscription is in the Catholic
>dogma, and this may change someday.

It is an important point to note that Catholics are only proscribed from
using ARTIFICIAL methods of birth control.  Natural methods (which
contrary to what many believe are extremely effective and I'm not talking
about the rythmn method) are perfectly acceptable.

>The guiding concept behind the Catholics' belief is that sex is
>primarily intended for procreation.

Well it is more considerably more complicated than this and for me to
address it properly would require a more lengthy discourse than people
would likely read or that I presently feel like writing.  

> I am a Protestant, and a fairly conservative one at that, and I see
> nothing wrong with the concept of birth control whatsoever.  > > >--

Neither does the Pope.  It is the method which causes concern.  There
are good (i.e., logical) reasons.  They may be difficult for people to
live with but if one can do it then an even better relationship with
Jesus Christ is the result.

I've enjoyed these posts

Tim
From: larry@peak.psl.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: alt.fan.rush and alt.rush, how to avoid the repetition
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:06:06 GMT
	<1992Jul21.222330.521@pictel.com>
	<1992Jul22.032450.10281@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
Distribution: usa
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory

In article <1992Jul22.032450.10281@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> yin@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU writes:

    I have grown tired of having to see almost every article appearing twice.  
    Is there anything I can do?

 Get a "smarter" news reader program. Public domain GNUS (a la EMACS) is 
 smart enough to mark articles posted to both groups as you read in either
 group. GNUS is not without its quirks, but it does a lot of it fairly
 well.

 Ask your local unix guru for details.

 L.
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 I've got your COMPUTER! | % Physical Science Laboratory        | (O)(-)
 Right HERE!!"           | New Mexico State University          |  /..\ 
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Disclaimer: Opinions expressed here are CORRECT, mine, and not PSLs or NMSUs..
I admit the deed! Tear up the planks! It is the beating of his hideous heart!
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
From: dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Subject: Re: Intellectually Challenging moments in Modern history
Reply-To: dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:57:01 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.194004.4243@wuecl.wustl.edu> 
dgp@atlas.wustl.edu (Don Porter) writes:

><Bs2qsv.1y0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> (Tim Buckley) writes:

>> If Clinton was not for abortion on demand what do you think his chances of
>> winning would have been?  My guess is that if both major parties had
>> platforms similar to the Republicans then a third party would have been
>> formed.  But this is just speculation on my part.

> This is something I find very strange.  The Democratic platform
> is easily the more moderate of the two.  It supports abortion
> rights as understood under RvW, allowing certain restrictions.
> Not nearly as extreme as an abortion rights plank could get.

I disagree, I think the Democratic platform of "abortion on demand"
is a very extreme position. Polls consistently show that only a minority 
of the population supports "abortion on demand", and many people have
been deceived into thinking that Roe v. Wade is not "abortion on 
demand". The restrictions you mention do not prevent women from
obtaining elective abortions all the way up to the point of birth.

> On the other side, the Republican platform supports 14th Amendment
> personhood from the moment of conception, extreme both legally
> and pragmatically.  (At least they did in '88.  There's still a
> remote possibility it will change this year.)

I would like to see the Republicans adopt the version of the Human
Life Amendment which simply overturns Roe v. Wade. I think that would
stand a much better chance of being passed than an amendment giving 
personhood status to the unborn. 

> .. rest deleted ..
>|   Don Porter | dgp@saturn.wustl.edu | Washington University in St Louis   |


Doug Holtsinger

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From: mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Intellectually Challenging moments in Modern history
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:01:59 GMT

In article <mykes.0aeu@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.101910.28681@hemlock.cray.com> mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson) writes:
>> In article <mykes.0acg@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>> >In article <1992Jul27.034354.27753@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>> >> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>> >> ] Women were never ever made criminals.  Doctors were held responsible.
>> >> ] This is before Roe, since there has been ZERO legislation against
>> >> ] abortion in the 20 years since.
>> >> don't get out in the big world a whole lot now do you?
>> >> forget about a place called pennsylvania?
>> [...]
>> >
>> >Now, tell me how Pennsylvania passed a law making abortion
>> >100% illegal?  Or shut the hell up.
>> >
>> [...]
>> >
>> >I have, in the past, said that abortion is murder.  But that
>> >is MY opinion.  Do you deny me the right to MY opinion?  Are
>> >you that much a facsist?  You would censor me?
>> >
>> >
>> Mike, for somebody who just told drieux to 'shut the hell up',
>> just because he _proved you wrong_ in your initial, unqualified
>> assertion, you don't have much room to talk.
>
>He hasn't proved a thing.  What has he proved?  That I remember
>a state called Pennsylvania?  I asked him to put up or shut up,
>not to shut up altogether.  Can you read english?
>
Tell me one thing. 

Does 'legislation against abortion' = 'making abortion 100% illegal'?

If not, in every case, your logic, like your manners, falls on its face.

muriel
standard disclaimer
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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: The price of freedom
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:44:04 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <nate.379@psygate.psych.indiana.edu> nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
>     Well, I guess that's just a difference between us. I try to *avoid*
> complaining about things all the time. I prefer taking action. In the case
> of Congress, I don't see much point in complaining too much since I plan to
> make my opinions known in the voting booth in November when I vote against
> every incumbent on the ballot (a course of action which I encourage
> everyone to emulate).
>

If you indeed choose this plan of action, by all means throw all the bums
out, including Bush/Quayle.  I am strongly considering similar action,
but I would vote libertarian for president.  At the very least, imcumbents
at all levels will get a NO from me, unless the opponent is someone I know
very well and disagree with strongly.

> --
> Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
> Psychology Department               Indiana University
> nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@copper.ucs.indiana.edu

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From: pvanmeur@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Pim van Meurs)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: The media's love affair with Sen. Gore
Date: 23 Jul 92 21:30:22 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Jul23.201858.7155@news.unomaha.edu> KKRUEGER@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Kurt R. Krueger) writes:
>
>Mr. Quayle, when prompted, misspells "potato"
>but Sen. Gore announces an ozone hole will open up over Kennebunkport, ME.
>You tell me which is worse?  I misspell words on occasion (even in the last
>/*        Kurt Krueger | kkrueger@zeus.unomaha.edu | kkrueger@unoma1        */

Check out the latest issue of Physics Today (july 1992) pp. 17-19.
CLO concentrations above the artic are up dramatically. The major
part of the increase is over Europe but the message is clear. We
might start an ozone hole similar to the one over the artic in the
nortern hemispere, over much more densely populated areas. So I
guess the announcement of an ozone hole over Kennebunkport is worse
since it will affect millions of people not just the re-election of
one.
Pim van Meurs
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: alex@umbc4.umbc.edu (Alex S. Crain)
Subject: Re: The depth of Right wing BS
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus, Academic Computing Services
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 16:13:38 GMT

In article <mykes.09tm@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:

>When did you buy gold at $430.  A few years ago isn't very descriptive.
>It is likely that you bought on the way down, though.  Especially since
>gold was near $1000/oz when carter left office.

	Please, Mike, do *some* research, even a little bit. Gold peaked
at about $800, but the average price in 1980 was still only $613. This
was at a time when it looked entirely possible that one group was going 
to corner the world market on silver, which threw all precious metals into
a tizzy.

	Gold hasn't been steady at $430 since 1988, and has been floating
at about $350-380 for three years, give or take a few bucks. It has been
steadly rising since it dipped in june, but it's still only up about 
$10 since april 1. The dollar, in contrast has gone from a peak of about
1.68DM (april 15) to about 1.45DM (now), in a steady decline.

	SO: Gold took a slide in april, and started a bouncy recovery in
may. With the exception of a quick dip at the end of may, there has been
a steady rise in price. Bill clinton has been looking good for what, 2 weeks,
and much of that is due to an expected convention bounce. Buying based on
the current polls, for an election 3 months away, would be moronic. Buying
now because the dollar is expected to continue to fall for several months
makes sense, if you're looking for a 3 month investment.

	Its funny to see that Clinton is striking a fear into the hearts of
men, even if its only Mike Schwartz.

-- 
Anybody who agrees with me deserves what they get.

					Alex Crain
					UMBC Academic Computing Services
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
From: mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson)
Subject: Re: Intellectually Challenging moments in Modern history
Date: 27 Jul 92 10:19:10 CDT

In article <mykes.0acg@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>In article <1992Jul27.034354.27753@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
>> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
>> ] Women were never ever made criminals.  Doctors were held responsible.
>> ] This is before Roe, since there has been ZERO legislation against
>> ] abortion in the 20 years since.
>> don't get out in the big world a whole lot now do you?
>> forget about a place called pennsylvania?
[...]
>
>Now, tell me how Pennsylvania passed a law making abortion
>100% illegal?  Or shut the hell up.
>
[...]
>
>I have, in the past, said that abortion is murder.  But that
>is MY opinion.  Do you deny me the right to MY opinion?  Are
>you that much a facsist?  You would censor me?
>
>
Mike, for somebody who just told drieux to 'shut the hell up',
just because he _proved you wrong_ in your initial, unqualified
assertion, you don't have much room to talk.

Moreover, drieux has recently been offered the papacy, and we
plan to try you for heresy if he accepts.

muriel
standard disclaimer
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: EQUITY and Barbara Jordon
Distribution: usa
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:11:04 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Jul22.164107.20905@umbc3.umbc.edu> alex@umbc4.umbc.edu (Alex S. Crain) writes:
> In article <mykes.09e6@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG> mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz) writes:
> >> 	What has Bill Clinton lost?
> >
> >He lost because he was nominated by a party of losers.
>
> 	I don't want to burst your bubble, Mike, but George is in deep shit
> this time around. He's on his third campaign manager, and he's still sinking
> like a rock. Anybody who thinks that this race is a sure thing (in either
> direction) has been smoking too many banana peels.
>

I don't want to burst your bubble, Alex, but by everyone's count, the electoral
votes that Bush and Clinton are likely to receive show that Bush has 210 in
the bag.  He needs 270 to win.  Those 210 votes are as sure as the congress
has been democratic controlled for for 40 years.  National popular vote polls
are meaningless.  If the polls don't change from now until November, Bush
will easily get the 60 votes he needs to win outright.  I smoke no bannana
peels, but I don't keep my head in the sand, either.

> --
> Anybody who agrees with me deserves what they get.
>
> 					Alex Crain
> 					UMBC Academic Computing Services

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From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Incompetent S&L deregulation
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:24:42 GMT
Organization: Psych Department, Indiana University

szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo) writes:
>nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
>>What happened when banks failed in the late 
>>1920's? All the sudden people didn't have money to spend and the consumer
>>economy collapsed.

>I love you liberals, still trying to fix the problems of sixty years
>ago. :-) 

    Hey, you should be happy for the ones like me who are only 60 years 
behind. You *could* get stuck with someone still trying to give all 
the land back to Indians or still resisting the Very Nasty arrival of 
white Europeans in the Americas.

    You just don't know when you've got it easy, Nick...

--
Nathan Engle                        Software Juggler
Psychology Department               Indiana University
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Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
From: crosmun@mickey.rtp.dg.com (William Crosmun)
Subject: Re: Public Apology
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 14:41:06 GMT
Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC.

In article <1992Jul20.004804.2823@lsil.com> mitch@dc49.dc writes:
>Friday, I posted a public apology regarding my use of profanity on the net.
>It appears as though it may not have been transmitted somehow so I will
>reiterate this apology again.  Sorry for the redundancy but free speech is
>important to me.
>
>With respect to my use of profanity, it was pointed out to me by someone that
>this newsgroup is echoed to some private networks that have strict rules against
>using profanity.  I apologize for using profanity here and I will not do it 
>again.  While free speech is extremely important to me, the free desemination
>of opinions is more important and if that means showing some restraint in the
>use of language then so be it.  I in no way am taking back any of the spirit
>of any of my posts here but I do regret the use of profanity if it jeopardizes
>the echoing of this newsgroup to any private networks.
>
>I speak for myself and do not reflect anyone else's opinions.
>---
>
>Mitch Sako - LSI Logic Corp		Phone  408-433-4187
>internet:    msako@lsil.com		FAX    408-433-8796
>uucp:        lsil!msako

If only everyone would adopt this attitude we might be able to communicate with
each other.


===============================================================================
William Crosmun
crosmun@dg-rtp.dg.com

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but if you choose to stay, you wind up playing anyway.

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... the  government  runs  into a  probable loss.  We  do not wish to make the 
United  States Government liable  for the  mistakes and  errors of  individual
banks, and put a premium on sound banking in the future."
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From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Quayle on abortion
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:41:49 PST
Organization: Amiga makes it possible

In article <1992Jul24.150219.21396@umbc3.umbc.edu> alex@umbc4.umbc.edu (Alex S. Crain) writes:
> The New York Times, in a fit of liberalness, did not draw any conclusions
> from the statment, but did quote leaders from both "Opponents of Legal
> abortion" and "Supporters of abortion rights".
>

There are many many conservative editorial staffs on newspapers.  It is
TV media that has the stronger influence and (almost) absolute bias.

> 	My own problem is that, for Quayles perspective, he essentially
> is saying that he would support his daughter if she chose to become a
> murderer. Given that he is actively trying to make abortion illegal,
> one could conclude that abortion is ok for his daughter, but not ok for
> anybody else. After all, if your willing to go to great lengths to keep
> stranges from performing a sinful act, then you should be willing to go
> at least that far for your own kids.
>

You yourself quoted where Quayle said this is a hypothetical situation.
Hypothetical implies that it may or may not happen - I would cross those
types of bridges when they came...

Wanting Roe overturned and wanting Abortion illegal are two separate
issues.  Abortion was LEGAL before Roe (just not in every woman's
back yard).

Any acts that Quayle has taken to overturn Roe would apply equally
to his daughter.  You have ZERO credability :)

> --
> Anybody who agrees with me deserves what they get.
>
> 					Alex Crain
> 					UMBC Academic Computing Services

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Los Altos, CA 94024

Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: KKRUEGER@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Kurt R. Krueger)
Subject: Re: Incompetent S&L deregulation
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:01:37 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <1992Jul30.173539.17086@dg-rtp.dg.com> crosmun@mickey.rtp.dg.com writes:
 
> I think I like this idea!  Of course it opens up another question: what would
> most people check before depositing?  I know the FDIC and their ilk keep a
> list of troubled banks that bear watching, but as far as I know they won't
> publish the list.  Maybe if they did we would all be better off (including the
> banks which would under that much more pressure to make sound business
> decisions.)

I _think_ that you can ask for and obtain the bank's balance sheets, but I
am not sure of this.  There is also an organization called Veribank which
monitors the health of the nation's banks, and this information is avail-
able to the general public, though there is probably a fee.  I don't have a
phone number, but a call to a stock broker or a bank would probably do the
trick.
   The problem with this may be the information could be cryptic to the
layperson.  Certainly, if one has never analyzed financial statements,
reading the bank's balance sheet would be out of the question.  I have never
seen a Veribank report, so I don't know if it has the final, easy-to-under-
stand rating (e.g., AAA, A+, etc.) like Moody's and S&P do for bonds, insur-
ance companies, and so forth.


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