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Subject: Re: ** The Birth of NEW-ISRAEL ** ( Re: Death of America xx )
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 20:18:18 GMT
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac
Keywords: Happy New-Age

In article <29DEC199212460728@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Jubilation T.) writes:

>So let's bury the ghost of America. And turn to welcome the birth of the 
>nation of NEW-ISRAEL in our land. A nation chosen by GOD and saved by GOD.
>Not because there is any mystical entity which can be called "a nation,"
>but because we each more than any other people, enjoy a personal relation-
>ship with Our Creator -- One-to-One. Amen.

Please explain the reference to this new nation as "New Israel."

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From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: ,talk.politics.theory,misc.headlines,eunet.politics
Subject: Macedonian World Congress
Date: 22 Dec 92 18:59:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 



SAS Writes:
> 3) Macedonian was never a region of Greece. On the contrary, Greece
>    was often subject to Macedonia. In 1913, Greece and her Balkan
>    allies partitioned Macedonia, and if today a portion of
>    Macedonian belongs to Greece, it is by virtue of an illegal
                                                         ~~~~~~~
>    partition of the whole and occupation of a part of Macedonia.
     ~~~~~~~~~                  ~~~~~~~~~~


  So much for the claim by some that pseudo-"Macedonia" has no
territorial claims against Greece. All this talk of 'occupation' of
Macedonia by Greece is made for only one reason: To support claims
against Greece in the future.


Michael
From: mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: ** The Birth of NEW-ISRAEL ** ( Re: Death of America xx )
Date: 29 Dec 1992 22:11:32 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: suntory.mti.sgi.com
Keywords: Happy New-Age

General Jubilation T.) writes:
|> 
|> So no one other than -*GOD*- can save us now, economically or otherwise.
|> Without a spiritual renewal, all our efforts will be like trying to breath 
|> life into a corpse. In a nation where it's ok to express your private sex-
|> uality in public, how much more then should one express their personal spirit-
|> uality likewise? Anywhere and anytime. Personally.
|> 
|> So this is the way out, the only way -- through GOD. Not because you want 
|> yourself saved (shallow self-preservation) -- but because you want to truly
|> know and love GOD. The overflowing of such will set all else right. The offer 
|> still remains, all that's needed is to accept it. The alternative is to coldy 
|> turn away, and walk into the pit of destruction. That's just the way it works.
|> 
|> So let's bury the ghost of America. And turn to welcome the birth of the 
|> nation of NEW-ISRAEL in our land. A nation chosen by GOD and saved by GOD.
|> Not because there is any mystical entity which can be called "a nation,"
|> but because we each more than any other people, enjoy a personal relation-
|> ship with Our Creator -- One-to-One. Amen.
|> 
Just as not all of us practice homosexuality or conservatism or liberalism 
or etc., not all of us believe in this approach to life.  There is certainly
no data to show that those that believe in -*GOD*- have been saved 
"economically or otherwise" -- except maybe evangilists and popes.  Whatever
happened to "God helps those that help themselves?"  Maybe you should turn
to the athiests who, because they don't believe someone else will make
problems go away, know how to try to fix things themselves.

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occasionaly my (grown) children's, never my employer's.
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Jubilation)
Subject: Re: ** The Birth of NEW-ISRAEL ** ( Re: Death of America xx )
Summary: Seems right to me.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 08:09:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.051321.2862@panix.com>, 
gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch) writes...

>Well, I've been observing God for 53 years now, and in spite
>of all the salvationistic raving that goes on, I can tell you
>her most common habit is to let people stew in their own
>juice.  

Amen. Hoo Yah! What the brother said. I do definitely agree.

The Good Lord is patient, it seems. I used to use a method like
that as a "trainer." I'd tell the trainee(s) that they should ask
questions or for help if they got stuck, else I'd let them go
on --- with the reassurance that I'd keep 'em out of trouble,
or from injury or costly damage, and as long as we weren't 
wasting too much time. 

>We cooked up a lot of debt in the '80s so we could
>watch the rich play games with it; now we're going to pay for
>that, probably through the nose.  But nine times out of ten,
>that's God's way.  The dramatic catastrophes are usually just
>in the movies.

Let's hope for (or "pray if GOD wills") a singularity, the 10th
time, a special dispensation, an exception, or at least a way
out. You reckon we can get Bill Clinton and Al Gore in our prayer
group. 

   |
-- J --
   |
   |  Stephen   "RFD: alt.pray.for.deliverence"

---

personal for GF...

ps. re: Christian Anarchy -- A NICHE in Time ... soon.

Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory
From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Communitarianism & Body Parts
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 06:04:46 GMT

  Well, what little respect I had for the "communitarian" movement just went
  out the window.

  They want a law to make organ donation mandatory. Since so many people need
  organs, it's a waste to let all those dead bodies go for naught.

  Sorry, folks, if I want my guts intact, even after I'm dead (and I'm in no
  position to care one way or 'tother) that should be my right. Perhaps we'll
  see arguments against it akin to those used against voluntary organ dona-
  tion for profit.

  Will otherwise healthy people start to die under "mysterious circumstances" 
  so that their organs can be harvested?

  Communitarianism just bit the big one as far as I'm concerned.

--
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strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Brett McInnes)
Subject: Re: ** The Birth of NEW-ISRAEL ** ( Re: Death of America xx )
Organization: National University of Singapore
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 04:59:26 GMT

b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Jubilation T.) writes:
: 
: "This new nation" is a community of the spirit, in which each member holds 
: GOD as the only true sovereign. Each member of New-Israel, (Moslem, Jewish, 
: Christian...) anticipates the coming of The Messiah who will institute the 
: Kingdom of GOD on Earth. New-Israel is a spiritual community of believers,
: who may also be subjects of any physical, economic, or legal community,
: (the non-spiritual though is not the most important).
: 
How do I join the New-PLO ?                                               
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory
From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr)
Subject: Re: Communitarianism & Body Parts
Organization: UDel, School of Life & Health Sciences
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 07:54:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.060446.7642@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
}
}  Well, what little respect I had for the "communitarian" movement just went
}  out the window.
}
}  They want a law to make organ donation mandatory. Since so many people need
}  organs, it's a waste to let all those dead bodies go for naught.

I agree that there are wasted organs in abundance, and that's why we should
legalize the organ trade, not mandate their donation!

}  Sorry, folks, if I want my guts intact, even after I'm dead (and I'm in no
}  position to care one way or 'tother) that should be my right. Perhaps we'll
}  see arguments against it akin to those used against voluntary organ dona-
}  tion for profit.

I hope not.  Organ trade would be a very good thing, and I'd hate to see the
arguments against it get strengthened in the public mind.

}  Communitarianism just bit the big one as far as I'm concerned.

What took you so long?

Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly
starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu

"True greatness consists in the use of a powerful understanding to enlighten
oneself and others." - Francois Marie Arouet Voltaire
From: gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Communitarianism & Body Parts
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 07:14:50 GMT

  Just a short followup, to prove I ain't kidding:
  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Newsgroups: alt.society.civil-liberty
  From: rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro)
  Subject: interesting [and scary] blurb...
  Message-ID: <1992Dec22.211935.14260@athena.mit.edu>
  Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:19:35 GMT

  "People should come to see organ donation `as a social duty, as an act on
   behalf of our fellows and the community...that is to be routinely expected'
   and that would reduce `the wastage of a precious human resource,' said
   the Communitarian Network."
  [source _Boston Globe_, p. 17, 22 December 1992]
  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

--
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strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory
From: jk@panix.com (Jim Kalb)
Subject: Re: Communitarianism & Body Parts
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 12:30:38 GMT
Organization: Institute for the Human Sciences

In <1992Dec24.071450.12320@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@isis.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:

>  "People should come to see organ donation `as a social duty, as an act on
>   behalf of our fellows and the community...that is to be routinely expected'
>   and that would reduce `the wastage of a precious human resource,' said
>   the Communitarian Network."
>  [source _Boston Globe_, p. 17, 22 December 1992]

Does this necessarily mean that the writer thinks it should be
compulsory?  There are lots of things that I view as "social dut[ies]
. . . to be routinely expected" that I don't think should be legally
required.  (Examples -- common courtesy, helping out at the scene of
accidents, public service in general.)
-- 
Jim Kalb (jk@panix.com)
"Rem tene; verba sequentur."  (Cato)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Jubilation T.)
Subject: Re: ** The Birth of NEW-ISRAEL ** ( Re: Death of America xx )
Summary: New-Israel is a spiritual community where each member knows GOD.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: Making ready for the Messiah
Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 02:01:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.201818.25596@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>, 
kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes...

>In article <29DEC199212460728@utarlg.uta.edu> 
>b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Jubilation T.) writes:
> 
>>So let's bury the ghost of America. And turn to welcome the birth of the 
>>nation of NEW-ISRAEL in our land. A nation chosen by GOD and saved by GOD.
>>Not because there is any mystical entity which can be called "a nation,"
>>but because we each more than any other people, enjoy a personal relation-
>>ship with Our Creator -- One-to-One. Amen.
> 
>Please explain the reference to this new nation as "New Israel."

"This new nation" is a community of the spirit, in which each member holds 
GOD as the only true sovereign. Each member of New-Israel, (Moslem, Jewish, 
Christian...) anticipates the coming of The Messiah who will institute the 
Kingdom of GOD on Earth. New-Israel is a spiritual community of believers,
who may also be subjects of any physical, economic, or legal community,
(the non-spiritual though is not the most important).

{ Likewise a new-world-order or one-world-government would be secondary 
 (if not totally trivial) to the spiritual community. }

I hope this lays to rest any fear that New-Israel intends to compete in
any manner with human institutions. There is no competition, nor threat,
(though there is an open invitation to have faith that GOD's will is un-
folding as intended, and better than any human institution can manage). 

And yes, if I weren't a member, I'd be worried.

God be with each of Thee,

   |
-- J --
   |
   |  Stephen
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory
Subject: Re: Communitarianism & Body Parts
Date: 24 Dec 92 15:16:29 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

Most of what I've seen of "Communitarianism" thus far has been
anti-liberal, but I don't think the body-parts suggestion is
a particularly egregious example of it.  The Communitarian 
suggestion seems to be that the donation of body parts become
a custom, not a legal requirement.  The former may, of course,
be a cover for the latter, but that hasn't been explicitly
stated.

Communitarianism in general seems to put out ideas like that:
vague references, often through the passive voice of a verb,
are made to obscure yet weighty social forces.  Smells like
advertising to me.

-- 

 )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory
Subject: Re: President, superman
Date: 29 Dec 92 20:03:09 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

hsue@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
| ... 
| Why people do not question about candidates' educational background first?

Because most Americans feel that success in higher education
is a sign of submissiveness, rather than intellectual ability
or competence.  They will forgive it, however, if the 
candidate shows up well in other areas.  Thus it did not 
hurt Clinton to have been a Rhodes scholar, but it did not
help him either.
-- 

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( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )
Xref: sparky talk.politics.theory:5572 talk.politics.misc:65693 alt.conspiracy:13536
From: diviney@carson.u.washington.edu (Patrick Diviney)
Subject: Re: Communitarianism & Body Parts
Summary: And don't buy any claims that one can opt out of the program!
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 08:41:44 GMT

According to the AP story, "James L. Nelson, a health ethics specialist
and chief author of the proposal..."  claims that people would not really be
forced into such a decision, "...if they objected on religious or
philosophical grounds or simply found the idea disturbing."

Yeah, right!  Anybody buying *that* one?

I remember the Episcopal Church going through its period of convulsive
change during which time those whose conscience would not allow them to
consent to said changes were assured that provisions would be included
which would protect them from discrimination.

The ink was hardly dry on those agreements before the promises were broken
and those who could not, in good conscience, agree with the new order
(modernist doctrines, women priests, etc.) were increasingly castigated,
marginalized and gradually silenced and/or forced out.

Whenever I hear of some radical plans such as Nelson's being proposed,
those plans are usually followed up with soothing balm offered to those
who might disagree.  These assurances are usually proven to be false after
the new proposals take effect.  The only effect these assurances have is
to muffle any opposition long enough for the plan to be put into effect.

==============================================================================
The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any
member of a civilized community against his will, is to prevent harm to
others.  His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient
warrant. 
						-John Stuart Mill
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc
From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
Subject: Re: Death of America 3
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 16:07:26 GMT

first, i want to thank Mr. Wee for recommending "Bankruptcy 1995". i read
it last wednesday. i have never been so shocked and frightened by a book in
my life. i highly encourage all to read it. soon.


In article <1992Dec16.082804.15833@oracle.us.oracle.com> kwee@oracle.uucp (Karl Wee) writes:
>You can't calculate how many jobs will be lost in the coming depression.
>The modern economy is heavily leveraged on FAITH.  When some kind of faith
>is severely damaged, people panic and the economy gets into a vicious
>cycle from which there's no telling how long it will take to get out.
>The debt problem will create a "transcient" behavior which can really
>become a steady state -- depression, hyperinflation, or a combination.

i have taken my "gloom and doom" attitude to several people whom i respect.
the only arguments i have gotten so far are of the form "the government
could never let that happen" or "we'll figure a way out". i would love
to hear someone refute the contents of Figgie's book. or even just refute
his numbers, which are the really scary part.

>- The federal govt is not America.  Time to get rid of the federal
>  government all together.
>
>It's a little like quitting a game AFTER you've played and are about
>to lose.  The federal govt has already run up so much debt in all our names.
>If you owe money, you pay back.

or you make the money worthless so that no-one wants it back.

the only question remaining now is whether there will be hyperinflation
before the depression or not. considering how hyperinflation would
be a delay tactic, and the government likes delays, that will probably
happen first.

--
charles
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory
From: hsue@ellis.uchicago.edu (yung chang  hsueh)
Subject: President, superman
Reply-To: hsue@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:11:46 GMT

Hi, everyone

Greeting!
I wonder if there is any theory or anyone that advocate such an idea that to be 
qualify as the president of a country one has to be intellectually
superior; for example one should have a number of adavance degrees in a number
of different fields, such social sciences, natural sciences , and humanities.
The idea is based on the  fact that being the president of a country is not
only the most important job but also the most difficult one intellectually,
It certainly is harder than being a mathematician or a doctor. The president 
has to know almost every issue he addresses in order to come up with 
right policies and decisions. He should be a intellectually super man.

Why people do not question about candidates' educational background first?




Xref: sparky talk.politics.theory:5573 talk.politics.misc:65819 alt.conspiracy:13564
From: gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: ** The Birth of NEW-ISRAEL ** ( Re: Death of America xx )
Date: 31 Dec 92 05:13:21 GMT
Organization: mydog in exile

Well, I've been observing God for 53 years now, and in spite
of all the salvationistic raving that goes on, I can tell you
her most common habit is to let people stew in their own
juice.  We cooked up a lot of debt in the '80s so we could
watch the rich play games with it; now we're going to pay for
that, probably through the nose.  But nine times out of ten,
that's God's way.  The dramatic castatrophes are usually just
in the movies.
-- 

 )*(    Gordon Fitch    )*(    gcf@panix.com    )*(
( 1238 Blg. Grn. Sta.,  NY NY 10274 * 718.273.5556 )
Xref: sparky talk.politics.theory:5543 misc.headlines:7343 eunet.politics:1605
From: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,misc.headlines,eunet.politics
Subject: Macedonian World Congress
Date: 22 Dec 92 19:02:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis
Reply-To: michael.polymenakos@factory.com (Michael Polymenakos) 



SAS Writes:
> 3) Macedonian was never a region of Greece. On the contrary, Greece
>    was often subject to Macedonia. In 1913, Greece and her Balkan
>    allies partitioned Macedonia, and if today a portion of
>    Macedonian belongs to Greece, it is by virtue of an illegal
                                                         ~~~~~~~
>    partition of the whole and occupation of a part of Macedonia.
     ~~~~~~~~~                  ~~~~~~~~~~


  So much for the claim by some that pseudo-"Macedonia" has no
territorial claims against Greece. All this talk of 'occupation' of
Macedonia by Greece is made for only one reason: To support claims
against Greece in the future.


Michael
                                                                                                         
Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: ** The Birth of NEW-ISRAEL ** ( Re: Death of America xx )
Followup-To: /dev/null
Keywords: Making ready for the Messiah
Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 07:15:17 GMT

In article <1JAN199320014243@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Jubilation T.) writes:
:
:   |
:-- J --
:   |
:   |  Stephen

Hey dick-brain, keep your proselytizing God-shit out of alt.conspiracy
if you don't mind, please.  There are reasons newsgroups have names
reflecting their topics you know.

G

Newsgroups: talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy
From: petel@sequent.com (Pete Lancashire)
Subject: Re: ** The Birth of NEW-ISRAEL ** 
Keywords: Renewal  
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 93 06:11:38 GMT

b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Jubilation) writes:

>In article <1992Dec30.110333.2305@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, 
>f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes...

>>In article <29DEC199212460728@utarlg.uta.edu>, 
>>b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Jubilation T.) writes:

>>> So let's bury the ghost of America. And turn to welcome the birth of the 
>>> nation of NEW-ISRAEL in our land. A nation chosen by GOD and saved by GOD.
>>> Not because there is any mystical entity which can be called "a nation,"
>>> but because we each more than any other people, enjoy a personal relation-
>>> ship with Our Creator -- One-to-One. Amen.

>>Thank you, Stephen, for saying what needed to be said.  

>You're very welcome Joe, but I only echoed the leadings of the Spirit.
>I trust other communications "in the same spirit" are being made all

WILL SOMEONE GET ME OUT OF HERE !!!!  What the hell is happening ?
Are these people for real....

-pete
petel@sequent.com



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