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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: advice please
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:15:56 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.192037.10240@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> thrash@virginia.edu (Scott Evans) writes:
>
>>	I am a poor grad student looking for advice on music.  I like metallica 
>>esp Kill 'em All and Garage Days, and megadeath esp stuff like "Take no
>>prisoners".  Hard and fast, not too stupid.  I've read about some groups that
>>sound interesting, but I'm a bit hesitant too rush out and spend without any
>>advice. 
>
>
>Sepultura, _Arise_.
>
>It might be a little faster than what you're used to at parts,
>but damn, is it GOOD.  That was my favorite album last summer--
>I listened to it nearly nonstop.  Funny thing was, at first 
>listen I only thought it was okay...after second or third
>listen, I was completely in love with it.
>
If you like Metallica, check out the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal. For 
starters, any Def Leppard before 1983, the first two Iron Maiden albums, the
first thre Tygers Of Pan Tang albums, anything by Venom or Angel Witch.
Judas Priest after Sin After Sin and before Turbo. Late Budgie stuff. See
posts on this newsgroup for more ideas.

philip
"Inside the power cage, I can feel the music call my rage
It's paranoid, first degree. It's telling me that I'm not free.
I've got heavy metal music in my blood and I like to get it to you if I could"
-Holocaust, "Heavy Metal Mania" ||||||||| pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |||||||||
From: masproj8@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MAS Project Development)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Megadeth and Metallica
Date: 28 Jul 92 01:51:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul24.030354.27027@wam.umd.edu>, gisie@wam.umd.edu (Dr. Death) 
	writes...
>Im not looking to start a flame war here but I have a few observations
>that I want to see if the rest of the metal community agrees with:

>Has Metallica's bass area seriously SUCKED since the death of Cliff?

Hard to say...

>I think Jason Newstead either sucks eggs or they are mixing there
>albums wrong. Also, I think after reviewing all of the Metallica
>albums with Jason and all of the Megadeth albums with Dave Ellefson,
>I have to say that Dave is a SUPERIOR bass player than Jason. Of course,
>Cliff B was the best (insert brief silence)
> 
>Anyone agree/disagree/offer any insight?

I have a few comments.  First, what do you mean when you say "all of the
Metallica albumns with Jason"?  What, "...AJFA", "GDR-V", and "Metallica"?
If you want a true example of what Newsted is capable of doing, get a hold of
Flotsam & Jetsam's album, "Doomsday for the Deceiver."

Dave Jr SUPERIOR to Newsted?  I have my serious doubts.

>Thanks,
>Doc
> 
>-- 
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>Dr. Death    gisie@wam.umd.edu
>How can you tell when a lawyer is lying?  His lips are moving.
>______________________________________________________________

					The Vertigod Himself
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From: bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI/DON/MR)
Subject: Re: Megadeth and Metallica
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 16:00:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.030354.27027@wam.umd.edu> gisie@wam.umd.edu (Dr. Death) writes:

>Has Metallica's bass area seriously SUCKED since the death of Cliff?
>I think Jason Newstead either sucks eggs or they are mixing there
>albums wrong. 

I don`t think Jason sucks eggs.  The band has admitted that the mix on
the Justice album for bass was weak because Lars and James spent a lot 
of time in the studio pumping up their guitars and drums.  The mix is 
better on the Black album, but maybe because most of the songs suck
(at least that's my opinion) the blame is put on the new guy.

>Also, I think after reviewing all of the Metallica
>albums with Jason and all of the Megadeth albums with Dave Ellefson,
>I have to say that Dave is a SUPERIOR bass player than Jason. Of course,
>Cliff B was the best (insert brief silence)

What do you mean by SUPERIOR?  They have different roles in their 
respective bands so they have different jobs to do.  I think they are 
both very adept at what they do.  

Ellefson is the only guy Mustaine has has bothered to keep around from 
the beginning so he has much more clout and input into the songwriting 
and what gets to be played on record.  Therefore he can shove in a few 
more bass licks when he wants to.

Jason, on the other hand, is the new guy on the block and takes a backseat
when it comes to decisions to the other guys.  So when the songwriting and
mixing is done Lars and James have the final say.  As far as their concert
performances go, Jason kicks Ellefson's ass.  Jason's main contribution 
seems to be onstage.  He is the ultimate thrasher and even gets to sing a
part of Seek and Destroy which is totally wicked.  Ellefson on the other
hand is lifeless, at least at the show I saw.

>Thanks,
>Doc

                                                      - Don
From: lavonius@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Ville Lavonius)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Megadeth and Metallica
Date: 24 Jul 92 15:44:46 GMT
Organization: The few, the proud... the stupid, the inept

In article <1992Jul24.030354.27027@wam.umd.edu> gisie@wam.umd.edu (Dr. Death) writes:

   Im not looking to start a flame war here but I have a few observations
   that I want to see if the rest of the metal community agrees with:

   Has Metallica's bass area seriously SUCKED since the death of Cliff?
   I think Jason Newstead either sucks eggs or they are mixing there
   albums wrong. Also, I think after reviewing all of the Metallica
   albums with Jason and all of the Megadeth albums with Dave Ellefson,
   I have to say that Dave is a SUPERIOR bass player than Jason. Of course,
   Cliff B was the best (insert brief silence)

No, I disagree, AJFA was tinnily produced, but on V (can't bear to call it
Metallica) Newsted's bass is prominent and sounds good. And in the one song
where Newsted got the credit (Misery) he's jamming pretty nicely.

I personally don't like Junior's style, and can't comment on his technique
anyway.

And a major part of this Cliff-phenomenon is that the guy was so different
from both the band and everyone else too. And he had some weird ideas and
the courage to do them while playing.

   Anyone agree/disagree/offer any insight?

   Thanks,
   Doc

   -- 
   --------------------------------------------------------------
   Dr. Death    gisie@wam.umd.edu
   How can you tell when a lawyer is lying?  His lips are moving.
   ______________________________________________________________
--
Ville Lavonius	        University of Helsinki, Dept. of Computer Science
lavonius@cc.helsinki.fi : With friends like that, who needs anemones
From: hclos@hale.cts.com (Huis Clos)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Metallica
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:21:02 GMT
Organization: Hale Telecommunications San Diego CA

I like everything from Metallica that I have heard.  I have gone to two 
of their shows (Justice, and their latest) and enjoyed them live - 
although it is obvious that they are getting older (the last show they 
took more breaks, drank more beer, and made many more flubs.  I think 
Ride the Lightning is their most important album.  It marked a definite 
turning point for them.  After listening, you can see how they became 
more intricate since Kill 'em All (notice Fade to Black as the best 
example).  They continued this in Master of Puppets, faltered a bit on 
Justice (although it does seem a legitimate experiment), and washed out 
completely on their latest, self titled effort (sound a bit commercial to 
me.
Then Again...my opinion only.

HALE TELECOMMUNICATIONS - Public Access Node, San Diego CA 619/660-6734 HST
hclos@hale.cts.com (Huis Clos)   29-Jul-92 at 12:26a
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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Praying Mantis
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:13:48 GMT

Yow! I just got this CD from a friend with a whole ton of Mantis stuff. 
Actually, it comes with every Mantis recording except Time Tells No Lies, I
think. Consists of:
	READING FESTIVAL LIVE
		Nightmare
		I Know It (Time Slipping Away)
		Tell Me The Nightmares Wrong
		Enough Is Enough
		Turn The Tables
		Flirting With Suicide

	THE SOUNDHOUSE TAPES
		Captured City
		The Reaper
		Johnny Cool

	"PRAYING MANTIS"
		Praying Mantis
		High Roller

	"CHEATED"
		Thirty Pieces Of Silver
		Flirting With Suicide (live)
		Panic In The Street (live)

	   (nope, "Cheated" wasn't on this disc. I wonder why. Good song.)

	"TURN THE TABLES"
		Turn The Tables
		Tell Me The Nightmares Wrong
		A Question Of Time

Now, can anyone tell me the lineups on these albums? As far as I can see,
the Reading show had:
	Bernie Shaw - lead vocals
	Tino Troy - lead guitar
	Steve Carroll - lead guitar
	Chris Troy - bass guitar
	Dave Potts - drums
	___?___ - keyboards <--- who is this guy? (the picture has 6 members)

Soundhouse tpes I believe is the Time Tells No Lies lineup, as is the "Praying
Mantis" and "Cheated" singles, and I think "Turn The Tables" is the same
lineup as the Reading Festival. Anyone correct me on this?

I also just got the Gaskin End Of The World album on CD. Comes with the "I'm
No Fool" single (b-side is "Sweet Dream Maker" I guess).

Is Bernie Shaw American? Actually, he sounds like Paul Di'anno did on the Live
At Last album. with shades of a British accent but spent too much time in
the States and is losing it.

Hammers Rule OK.

philip



"Inside the power cage, I can feel the music call my rage
It's paranoid, first degree. It's telling me that I'm not free.
I've got heavy metal music in my blood and I like to get it to you if I could"
-Holocaust, "Heavy Metal Mania" ||||||||| pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |||||||||
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From: bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI/DON/MR)
Subject: Re: Metallica help wanted
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 16:47:13 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.122311.19973@crc.ac.uk> naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara) writes:
>Can anyone tell me if the other Metallica albums are similar to the black one?
>This is the only one I have heard and I it's one of my favourites.

My favorite Metallica record is Ride the Lightning.  As far as I'm 
concerned this is the highlight of their career.  Its a lot more 
aggressive than the black one but I'm sure you'll like it, I tell
everyone the same thing and no one has disagreed yet.  Actually
you can't go wrong with getting all of their albums because they are
all good, but as far as any of them being similar to the new one : 
no - the black one is the weakest of them all.

>Can anyone give me some suggestions of other groups which I may like?
>I haven't got loads of money so I only buy albums which I know I will like.
>From what I have heard already I like:-
>Def Leppard (Hysteria + Adrenalize only, any comments about their earlier
>stuff?)

I think Pyromania is a great album, my favorite Lep album which again
you can't lose if you get it.

>Thanks for any help,
>Phil

                                                   - Don


Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI/DON/MR)
Subject: Re: got 'em
Organization: EE Lab, McGill University EE Lab, Montreal
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 18:01:40 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.145152.17363@news.columbia.edu> pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang) writes:

>It's only a benefit concert, not the Adrenalize tour, which, to my knowledge,
>hasn't begun yet. I definitely know this show is NOT part of the Adrenalize 
>Tour. They'll give them a heavy supporting act for this one. Can't remember
>who it was supposed to be with, though. What if Maiden and Leppard did a

The Leps are touring on their own in the round.  Hopefully about 3 hours
of material to be heard.  The American tour I think starts Aug. 13 in 
Virginia, and are here in Montreal (the only Canadian date on this leg of the
tour) Aug. 19.

>You know, I'm starting to like Adrenalize more and more. I like "Tonight" the
>most on the album. Sounds like something off High'n'Dry, actually. "White
>Lightning" is pretty good, too. Even "Let's Get Rocked." I don't like the new
>version of "Tear It Down," nor did I like the original, and it should have been

"Have You Ever ..." is my favorite.  I like almost everything on this album.

>philip
>"Washington Boulevard, east-bound. Thirty-three...Can I get a transfer, man?
>Ninety-five cents?! FUCK YOU I'LL SKATE TO THE BEACH, AND I'LL LOOK BETTER
>GETTING THERE!!!" - Faith No More, "Death March"
>e-mail Philip Wang at pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu


                                                           - Don
From: k-man@diego.llnl.gov (Kevin Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Warrior
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:41:32 GMT
Organization: Boys with Noize


I agree with Philip, the first Warrior album was
excellent trad metal.

There was a good period there with excellent releases
by Armored Saint and Warrior and some group called
Queensryche ...

I think Warrior did put out a second album, but it
pretty much got panned ...

K-man
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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: parody
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 06:43:56 GMT

I've been considering having my band do a parody, and all of the sudden I
realized just how much I didn't like the lyrics to "Enter Sandman" (although
the original concept of having such a story for a song was a good idea as it
has rarely been done). Here's my rendition, as I think this is relevant and
anyway before I introduced it to the band I wanted to see how you liked it.

ENTER MAILMAN

Send those cards, little one
Don'e forget my son
To include everyone
Tuck them in, kept within
Your letter sealed tight in
Till the mailman he comes

Drives with one door open
Sticking his arm outside

Exit mail
Enter mail
Hey. my friend
You've got another letter again

Something's wrong, this ain't right
Insufficient postage, yeah right
Now when our wallets our tight
Neither war, neither fire
Neither personal desire
Will stop us to deliver

Drives with one door open...

solo & bridge stuff

Neither rain nor snow nor hail
(or whatever the U.S. Postal service motto is. I can't remember. This is said
in place of that one thing that kids on TV are seen to say as prayer before
they go to bed).

Hush little baby don't say a word
Never mind that note undelivered
Is that a package for you or dad
Is it marked for resident?

repeat chorus

Feel free to edit this as there are bits I don't like but don't know how to
improve. 

philip


"Inside the power cage, I can feel the music call my rage
It's paranoid, first degree. It's telling me that I'm not free.
I've got heavy metal music in my blood and I like to get it to you if I could"
-Holocaust, "Heavy Metal Mania" ||||||||| pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |||||||||
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: 9209131@sunvax.sun.ac.za (Conrad Christensen)
Subject: New Manowar LP ??
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 23:37:50 GMT
Organization: University of Stellenbosch, RSA

Hi all

I'm new to this newsgroup and this question has probably been answered 
before, but could anyone tell me if Manowar has released a new LP this 
year???

Many thanks ...

Conrad.
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From: sedenome@cayley.waterloo.edu (Banger)
Subject: Re: Megadeth and Metallica
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:35:56 GMT

In article <36309@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> bruss@cs.ucsd.edu (Brian Russ) writes:
>In article <1992Jul29.152221.27853@Cadence.COM> noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz) writes:

>best bassist list?).  If you want to hear good basswork, go listen
>to Dream Theatre, Primus, or Watchtower ...

Or if you really want to _hear_ the bass, try listening to RUSH...Geddie Lee has
to be considered one of the best bass players of _all time_...

No life til Leather...
-Banger.
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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: lyrics request
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:18:28 GMT

Now it's my turn to ask for lyrics. Anyone have TIME TELLS NO LIES by Praying
Mantis? I've only got a copy of it so I don't have any lyrics. Could some nice
person e-mail me the lyrics? Thanks.

philip
"Inside the power cage, I can feel the music call my rage
It's paranoid, first degree. It's telling me that I'm not free.
I've got heavy metal music in my blood and I like to get it to you if I could"
-Holocaust, "Heavy Metal Mania" ||||||||| pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |||||||||
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From: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Saxon
Reply-To: pw15@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 01:00:27 GMT

What do you people say about Saxon? I find them extremelly consistent in sound
and performance. I don't seem to be able to find a Saxon album I don't like.
Even their songs about cliche metal topics are handled well, and I find that
I don't get sick of hearing the same ideas expressed in a Saxon song. I just
got ROCK THE NATIONS, and this is my favorite one so far. Even when they 
used synths on DESTINY I thought they were still pretty heavy (although of
course a bit of overproduction mellowed it out on some songs like "Song
For Emma" and "Where The Lightning Strikes"). And SOLID BALL OF ROCK I find
the heaviest one they've done. But overall, I bet if you gave Biff SOLID BALL
back when they were trying to record WHEELS OF STEEL they wouldn't go into
shock wondering what happened to them. It would seem they wondered who the
great imitators were until someone told them it was them ten years later. Of
course I bet Sav and Joe Elliot would have coronaries if they heard Adrenalize
in the On Through The Night sessions.

philip


"Inside the power cage, I can feel the music call my rage
It's paranoid, first degree. It's telling me that I'm not free.
I've got heavy metal music in my blood and I like to get it to you if I could"
-Holocaust, "Heavy Metal Mania" ||||||||| pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |||||||||
From: naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Metallica help wanted
Date: 27 Jul 92 12:23:11 GMT
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre

Can anyone tell me if the other Metallica albums are similar to the black one?
This is the only one I have heard and I it's one of my favourites.

Can anyone give me some suggestions of other groups which I may like?
I haven't got loads of money so I only buy albums which I know I will like.
From what I have heard already I like:-
Def Leppard (Hysteria + Adrenalize only, any comments about their earlier
stuff?)
Iron Maiden (Just about everything!)
Guns n Roses (Everything)
Megadeth (only heard a few, favourite is Go to hell from the Bill+Ted film)
Ugly Kid Joe (Ugly as they want to be. Can't wait for their next album)
Probably some others which I can't remember at the moment...

Thanks for any help,
Phil
(E-mail naffara@uk.ac.crc)
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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Saxon lineup
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 00:27:56 GMT

In the 1986 release ROCK THE NATIONS, the drummer is Nigel Glockler, the same 
as the one on ROCK 'N' ROLL GYPSIES and SOLID BALL OF ROCK. But, on DESTINY,
Nigel Durham is the drummer. Is he the same person or is he just a fill in 
while Glockler did something else that year?

philip


"Inside the power cage, I can feel the music call my rage
It's paranoid, first degree. It's telling me that I'm not free.
I've got heavy metal music in my blood and I like to get it to you if I could"
-Holocaust, "Heavy Metal Mania" ||||||||| pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |||||||||
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
From: noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz)
Subject: Re: advice please
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:13:58 GMT

I did post in support of another Sepultura fan
>that they are a great band to listen too, I have Beneath the Remains and Arise.
>For you metal heads out there, are they a Slayer copy?  They don't sound like 
>Slayer to me so what do you think?  
>-- Dave

They definitely don't sound anything like Slayer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But they both are killer bands!!

 _  
HaoN
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From: wwillard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Wayne Willardson)
Subject: Cop Killer
Summary: Where is Body Count's latest being sold?
Keywords: body count
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 00:57:56 GMT


Is there anywhere in the country that Body Count's Copy Killer album is
being sold? I heard one of the songs over Z-Rock and want to get hold of
the album. The music is EXCELLENT.

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From: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Subject: Re: Budgie on CD??????
Reply-To: pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Philip  Wang)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:27:48 GMT

>Speaking of Budgie, I've NEVER seen any of their stuff on CD.  Is it out
>there anywhere??  ZRock must have it since they play Breadfan now and then.
>
>-Rick

Their first two albums have been reissued on Roadracer Revisted. Maybe there 
are other reissues floating around somewhere, but they're mostly imports. I've
seen quite a number of Budgie CD's around but the ROadracers are only $11.00
while the rest run for $25.00.

philip

"Inside the power cage, I can feel the music call my rage
It's paranoid, first degree. It's telling me that I'm not free.
I've got heavy metal music in my blood and I like to get it to you if I could"
-Holocaust, "Heavy Metal Mania" ||||||||| pw15@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |||||||||
From: Kevin.J.Feury@dartmouth.edu (Kevin J. Feury)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: Megadeth and Metallica
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:12:13 GMT
 <1992Jul24.184227.819@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> 
 <1992Jul27.192631.8048@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
 <1992Jul29.152221.27853@Cadence.COM>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <1992Jul29.152221.27853@Cadence.COM>
noah@Cadence.COM (Noah Ruiz) writes:

> How can anybody compare Cliff Burton and Billy Shef@g!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i did and i'd do it again. just because sheehan plays in mr. big
doesn't mean he isn't one of the most innovative, technical bassists
around! listen to some of the solo stuff he does. he moves up and down
the frets of the bass as effortlessly as yngwie malmsteen does on the
normal six string. say what you want, but billy sheehan can hold his
own against anyone and would bury cliff burton (no pun on the fact that
he's already dead) i love metallica and i think cliff was a GOOD
bassist, but against sheehan, he's out of his league.

-kev.

slatanist@mac.dartmouth.edu

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when a man lies, he murders some part of the world
these are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives
all this i cannot bear to witness any longer
cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home
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