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From: bunky@milton.u.washington.edu (Mike)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Pacific division dominates
Date: 25 Jan 1993 18:36:31 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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	I noticed in todays paper that the Pacific division now holds the
	top 3 winning percentages in the NBA.  I'm not very familiar with 
	the history of the NBA but this seems like quite an impressive
	accomplishment.  Does anyone know when the last time this happened
	was?

	Mike


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From: cs225b26@dcl-nxt40.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student)
Subject: Re: Barkley - the man
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:31:06 GMT

In article <gfLlUTC00aw_IAOks_@andrew.cmu.edu>  writes:
> Charles Barkley - the man, the myth, the cult figure.  What a beast!
> 
> I loved that string on Barkley regarding the incident in the Big Apple. 
> I think what you saw, for the most part, was an overwhelming show of
>e Rousers.  Charles the Great.  He asks......

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH MUMBLE BLAH CHARLES IS GOD.
(Gimme a break)

> .......only for your respect, that you will never underestimate him. 
> to say, for the majority of people, he has all the respect in the world.
> God bless you, Charles.
> 
> DA FLAV

Your dissertation on Charles seems to leave out the fact that he will  
never be regarded as a legend of the game because of his antics.  I can  
see the record books now:

"Larry, Magic, and Michael:LEGENDS OF THE GAME and Charles : A CLOWN WHO  
COULD PLAY A LITTLE"

**************************************************************************
From the man who is determined to disassemble the pedestals that some fans  
put their so-called heroes on....... (drum roll)

	DOUG ADONIS
From: muino@nitrogen.oscs.montana.edu (Pedro Muino)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Any news about "Good News" Levingston??
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:42:10 GMT
Organization: Montana State University

In article <C1H52F.4BF@cmcl2.nyu.edu> johneco@cns.nyu.edu writes:
>In article Lso@news.cso.uiuc.edu, sbulmahn@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Scott Bulmahn) writes:
>> I heard Cliff Levingston is playing this year in Greece (or is it maybe
>> Italy?).  I saw a list of NBA players over seas, but didnt see his name.
>> Anyone know anything, how he is doing, etc?
>> 
>He is playing on the Greek team PAOK, which won the championship last
>year, as well as winning the European cup-winners cup.  At first they
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      Almost right!! PAOK was runner-up in the European Cup-winners Cup. They
lost the final game to Spain's Real Madrid.

>were a bit dissapointed with him (they expect any ex-NBA player to be
>a flashy magical(compared to them) scorer type) and there was talk that
>they would replace him.  However, PAOK is doing quite well so I guess the
>talk has subsided.  I think they are in the final four of the European
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      No, they are not. They are one of the 15 teams remaining in the 
competition, but their chances to qualify for the play-offs, (8 teams),
are rather slim, (although they are not out yet).

>championship cup, and tied for second place in the greek league, where
>they'll probably finish third (ARIS is the favorite, led by Roy Tarpley,
>the best player in Europe).  Even when there was talk of replacing Cliff,
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      This question on who is the best player in Europe is obviously a matter
of personal preference. However, the player who is dominating the European 
league, and being a factor for his team, Real Madrid, to be the only 
undefeated team, is Lithuanian center Arvidas Sabonis.

      Now that I mention Sabonis, I would like to ask a question to the
net gurus. I've heard that Sabonis' rights in the NBA are owned by
Portland, and Kukoc's rights are owned by Chicago. However, these guys were
drafted long ago, Kukoc in '91 (?), and Sabonis in 86 (?). Why are their
rights still retained by the teams which drafted them, while Dallas would
only keep Jackson's rights until this year's draft day??

      Thanks for any help.

 {stuff deleted}

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From: beegle@ftp.phy.uab.edu (BadSpeller!)
Subject: Re: If draft were today .... ?
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:20:12 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.223012.20650@zip.eecs.umich.edu> raghu@nairobi.eecs.umich.edu (Raghu Mani) writes:
>One thing about the 1993 draft - it is loaded with talent at shooting
>guard and there seems to be precious little at other spots. At the 
>2-guard spot however, we have maybe a dozen quality 2-guards - JJ 
>and Doug Christie (most probably will reenter the draft), Anfernee 
>Hardaway (almost certain early entry), Calbert Cheaney, Chris Mills,

Why does everyone assume that he will turn pro? Is it something that
he says to the Media or is everyone just assumeing that since he will be 
one of the top three that he must turn pro? I would think he might want
to play next year since Memphis has a good recurting class comming in and 
they get back Vaugh, also how important is it to him to get his degree?
Anyone know?


>JR Rider, Rex Walters, Terry Dehere, Sam Cassell, Thomas Hill, Allan
>Houston, Scott Burrell - all these guys are almost certain to go in
>the first round (considering how bad the rest of the senior class is).
>Has any previous draft been this strong at the shooting guard position?
>
>Raghu

I'm just courious on how this roumor got started.

-- 
Luke

	"I don't feel so good."	
				Last words of Luther Burbank
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From: rgh@unislc.uucp (Rich Hannon)
Subject: Re: BLAZER SEX SCANDAL
Reply-To: rgh@unislc.UUCP (Rich Hannon,D1Z01,6628)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:31:34 GMT

In article <WYATTW.93Jan27131813@tekig1.pen.tek.com> wyattw@tekig1.pen.tek.com (Wyatt A Webb;629-1592;92-835;tekig1.pen) writes:
>
>Evidentally, there were NEVER any accusations about rape only sexual
>misconduct (i.e. sex with a minor).  The girls told them they were 18
>and consented.  End of story.  No charges will be filed and no official
>complaints were made.
>
>Although I would agree that if any of the Blazers actually did what was
>alleged they were being pretty dumb, I'm glad this will pass without any
>finger pointing.
>
>An earlier post mentioned that a local article (in Salt Lake) mentioned
>first names of players, one of which is Clyde.  Although possible, I see
>this as highly unlikely as he is married with two kids and much smarter
>than that.  I can almost see some of the rookies and younger players
>involved, but Clyde?!  I seriously doubt it.
>

The Salt Lake Tribune deliberately (per their policy) mentioned no
names. I heard two names mentioned either on TV news or Jazztalk (radio
program) and neither was Clyde. I won't bother to repeat the names here.

This morning's Trib says the police are dropping the charges because
the sex was consentual, and the girls were 16 & lied about their age.

I agree this was a dumb thing for the Blazer players to do and the girls
are not terribly credible. Since this incident there has been follow-on
stories in the media about players picking up girls in the mall. Various
store employees were interviewed. They see out of town players "cruising"
all the time. What they say is sometimes the players are looking for
sex (with come-ons like "free" tickets), and sometimes the "groupie-like"
girls are agressively chasing the players. It would appear from the
known details in this incident that some of both was going on.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled NBA season.
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From: davidy@sumax.seattleu.edu (Stimpson J. Cat)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: How's this trade?
Date: 27 Jan 1993 18:12:14 -0800
Organization: Seattle University
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In article <C1Iy7z.IvG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs225b26@dcl-nxt34.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student) writes:
>In article <1k1olqINNdku@shelley.u.washington.edu>  
>chris@milton.u.washington.edu (BelchMaster) writes:
>> Doug Christi + Benoit Benjamin  for Sam Bowie + ???
>> 
>> yeah? yah?
>
>I didn't know that the sole purpose of the Net organization was to help  
>solidify the Sonic team while sinking back to the depths they just  
>escaped.  Or am I the only one who doesn't get the urge to shoot myself in  
>the foot?
>
>**************************************************************************
>
>Doug Adonis



	It depends on what the "+???" is. If it were Derrick Coleman,
you're right. But IMHO, Benjamin and Bowie are a wash- if George Karl
gave Benjamin comparable minutes, his stats would be close. And Benjamin
is  4 years younger, and better suited for rough and tumble Eastern
conference play. Paul Silas I believe is there to motivate Benjamin, and
I thought I recall Don Chaney was there? (or was he with Boston?) He was
able to get good performances out of Benjamin. Christie is a very good
prospect, he slipped because of knee questions. I would say this trade is
bad for the Sonics, not the Nets, unless that "+???" is some major player
on the Nets team. Even a #1 pick wouldn't be excessive- NJ might be hard
pressed to get a better player than Christie at whatever position they're
drafting at (looks to be middle-to-low given their success) and they can
start developing Christie now, without the usual contract hassles (if they
signed him before the trade, as they should before making it.) But as a
Sonic fan, I am opposed to this one.




					David L. Yee
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Ben's Trivia
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:41:46 GMT

goedde@math.ohio-state.edu (Chris Goedde) writes:
>How about Sedale Threatt?  Somehow I don't think he stuffed Sir
>Charles three times in one game.  Did Cliff Robinson (the elder) play
>with the Sixers?

	Cliff Robinson (the elder) played w/ the Sixers a couple of seasons
	before bolting off to Europe.

	Now there's something I don't understand.  The guy is only in his
	early 30s and he can still put the ball in the hoop.  Won't anyone
	give him another chance?

	Jazzy J

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From: shaq@milton.u.washington.edu (BelchMaster)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: How's this trade?
Date: 28 Jan 1993 04:22:13 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: milton.u.washington.edu

Ok, I know who the ??? is...

Doug Christie + Big Ben for Sam Bowie + Chris Morris?
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From: n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu (brian h. harper)
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Subject: Re: Trade rumor: B.Benjamin/K.McHale
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:19:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1993Jan26.231951.26342
Organization: Western Washington University

gregs@eskimo.com (Greg Sumner) writes:


>The above trade rumor has been on the radio in Seattle today, apparently
>started by somebody at NBC.  Anybody from Boston heard anything about this?

You've gotta be kidding! I'ma Ben-basher, but why would Seattle possibly
want McHale? He's only got a year or two left in him at most (if he doesn't
retire this year), and Seattle does NOT need another power forward. Cage and
Kemp are doing just fine, thankyou. And if they did want an aging power
forward, Bernard King is available. I know McHale has is fans (I'm not one
of them), and he was once an incredible player, but not anymore. Ben may not
be worth much, but he's at least worth somebody younger.

-Brian Harper
n9041679@henson.cc.wwu.edu


>-- 
>Gregory Sumner  *  gregs@eskimo.com
>Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems, Inc.
>Seattle, Wa.
From: raghu@nairobi.eecs.umich.edu (Raghu Mani)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: If draft were today .... ?
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:30:12 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI

One thing about the 1993 draft - it is loaded with talent at shooting
guard and there seems to be precious little at other spots. At the 
2-guard spot however, we have maybe a dozen quality 2-guards - JJ 
and Doug Christie (most probably will reenter the draft), Anfernee 
Hardaway (almost certain early entry), Calbert Cheaney, Chris Mills,
JR Rider, Rex Walters, Terry Dehere, Sam Cassell, Thomas Hill, Allan
Houston, Scott Burrell - all these guys are almost certain to go in
the first round (considering how bad the rest of the senior class is).
Has any previous draft been this strong at the shooting guard position?

Raghu
From: trav@wpi.WPI.EDU (Travis Charles Korthas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: top 5 centers
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:49:29 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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I missed the top 5 centers list someone put up, so could someone repost it?

I was wondering where Hakeem Olajuwon stood on the list.  I have never been 

a Hakeem fan but recently I looked at his stats.  It appears he is having a

season as good as Robinson is having if not better, but Hakeem never seems

to get any respect.  Is it because he doesn't play on a winner?  What do

you all think about Hakeem "the dream" Olajuwon?

Peace
trav@wpi.wpi.edu
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From: bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Brad "Boomer" Williams)
Subject: Re: left handed teams
Keywords: Russell, all-time, lefty
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:20:33 EST


I write:
>> 	If you're not going to go solely with active players, then I'd suggest
>> placing Robinson on the bench for Bill Russell.  Larry Bird writes and eats

To which Tom Rudwick (rudwick@rock.pkg.mcc.com) observes:
>	Except that the David of today would have destroyed Bill Russell in his
>	prime. Wilt too. They were great back then, but times have changed.
>

	While that may be true (I really, really don't want to get an 'all-
time greats would/would not suck rocks today' thread going again), I can't
see the logic in leaving the most dominant defensive player in the NBA for
at least the majority of 13 years, who pretty much invented shotblocking, and
picked up 11 World Championships along the way off an all-time team.
	Yes, yes, a thousand times yes Bill Russell was 6'9 and would very
likely play forward if he were in his prime today, and it's debatable how 
effective he would be.  But to ignore his accomplishments is something that I 
simply cannot do.

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From: cs161fir@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Michael Jordan scoring question
Date: 26 Jan 93 05:14:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1993Jan24.071455.11654@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
gjh2j@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Im a Joker Im a Smoker Im a Midnight Toker)
writes:
>Yeah, that whole week pissed me off.....my personal favorite player...THE GOD
>OF BASKETBALL (tm) Tom Chambers scored 63. I think that same night or the 
>night after Karl "I travel everytime I get the ball" Malone scored 65 to make
>sure no newscaster told of the feat. Then a couple nights later Michael "You 
>too can score 30 ppg if you put up 50 shots a game" Jordan scored the 69
>to make sure no one would out do him for the year....

This is trivia, but I happen to know it, so I just can't let it go by:

It was 60 by Chambers, 61 by Malone the following night, and 69 by
Jordan later that week.


Prediction:

This article which I am posting now will not be a candidate for MVP
(Most Valuable Post) this season.  :^)
-- 
Tony Minkoff                            aminkoff@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
cs161fir@sdcc10.ucsd.edu                cs163wav@sdcc8.ucsd.edu
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From: cs161fir@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: JJ time
Date: 24 Jan 93 09:36:10 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1jp6mcINN78s@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Colucci) writes:
>Has anyone heard any news (recent) about Jackson?  Is he still
>working on his degree, or did Phoenix push something through?

No, Phoenix has not pushed anything through; nor has anyone.

Dallas has until February 25th to try to get something for him.
That's the trading deadline, and pretty much their last chance.

Any news from the Dallas end?

(*Technically*, I believe, they could also trade his rights between
July 1st and the next draft, but if he doesn't sign, he re-enters
the draft.  These rules get very involved, though, and I'm really
not sure.)

Tony
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From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Subject: Re: JJ time
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:12:27 GMT

In article <1jp6mcINN78s@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Colucci) writes:
>
>Has anyone heard any news (recent) about Jackson?  Is he still
>working on his degree, or did Phoenix push something through?

Nothing in Phoenix.  It's interesting though.  Right after the rumor,
Knights playing time went to 0 and Ceballos's went down considerably
(Mustaf was already at 0). I thought for sure something was in the
works.  But, it doesn't seem so.  I guess Dumas and Frank Johnson
have just earned their time.

It's wierd too, What's Dallas expect to get?  They can't throw him
away and the longer they wait, the harder it'll be to get rid of
him.  I'd imagine Phx would have gone those 3 and next years #1.
2 sure starters and aren't PG and SF their two biggest holes?
Ceballos and Knight sure couldn't hurt there - plus their both
very young.  Plus their interested in Mustaf.  Don't understand it.
--
Harry Koehnemann			Arizona State University
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu		Computer Science Department
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From: paulg@microsoft.com (Paul Goode)
Subject: Re: Suns lose again
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:02:47 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.
Summary: What you had to know...

In article <1993Jan18.171417.21706@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
> I thought I'd put my .02 worth in here.  A little background:
> 
> 
> You had to know it would go this way.  Despite being the incorrect call,
> the commissioner has protect the integrity of the league and, if at all
> possible, make the officials look correct.
> --

What you had to know is that there was no way that any NBA commissioner
would change the  outcome of a game based on an incident that occurred
without the ball in play, especially given the time left in the game.
My guess is that all the officials in question had to say was either

a) we made a judgement call or 
b) one of us shouldn't have given the ball to Avery Johnson while
   the other was allowing a substitution, but we can't see how
   that merits taking the game away from the team that earned the 
   win 

Once either account is given to the commissioner, enough ambiguity
has been introduced to warrant his keeping his hands off.

I am curious about the coverage in the Phoenix press the day immediately
following the game. The San Antonio Express-News didn't mention the
"controversy" at all, even in a story focused the Suns' reaction to 
the loss. (This story included extensive quotes from Charles Barkley
and Dan Majerle, who talked about the game only in terms of letting 
it get away.)

And let's face it: The Suns did let this one get away. They not 
only blew a very defensible lead, they couldn't take advantage of David
Robinson fouling out midway through OT.

Paul
From: pmmst8+@pitt.edu (Makala P Mweene)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Laettner selfish?
Date: 25 Jan 93 21:30:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

>
>As for Laettner, we'll see if you're still saying that when he plays
>in his first all-star game.  You probably will.
>

I don't think that that will ever happen. I told people that the man is
headed for obscurity in the NBA. I think the signs are already on the
wall. His team is one of the worst two in the NBA inspite of having a 
quality forward in Chuck Person. 

Laettner is too weak to play in the paint, as you would expect a 6'11''
forward/center to, too big to be a small forward. Havind near zero shot
blocking skill and meager leaping ability, the man is one of the least
enowed prospect at the 5 position. Here in is the dilema and disaster for
the wolves. Their prospect cannnot play. His reputation was forged in 
college, where with the help of a superior coach, teams who were more 
talented than all their opponents, he had the luxury of letting other
people (Grant Hill) do his job in the middle for him while he cozied on
the outside induging in sniping sprees or whatever was his hearts fancy..

I think it is clear to even the most irredeemable optimists that the man
the man has an attitude problem and has a propesity for voilence when he
gets frustrated in game (note the Kentucky game where he stomped on another
player and the incident where he felt tempted to hit the official with
the ball)


Makala

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