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From: assana@polkadot.Eng.Sun.COM (assana)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Fel Lukemia Question
Followup-To: assana@polkadot.eng.sun.com
Date: 28 Jan 1993 04:55:27 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Mountain View, CA
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In article <1993Jan27.220524.29149@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ses3n@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Sharon Elizabeth Silverman) writes:

>	I will be moving in a few months, and found a wonderful
>house already well-stocked with animals (and I thought *my* place
>was a zoo!). The only problem is that one of the previous residents 
>has Feline Lukemia (sorry if I'm misspelling that). The human in 
>charge of all this assures that it's safe as long as my cats are 
>immunized. 
>	YES, I INTEND TO ASK MY VET, but in the meantime do you 
>have any words of advice? Alexei gets spayed in a week, so I'll
>ask then. BTW - the infected cat has lived 4-5 years since diagnosis.

I would not take the chance. The shots guranteed 90% immunization.
*10%* is a big chance to take, imho.
>
>						Sharon
> 
>


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From: jshouman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Joan-Marie Shouman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: MAC KITTY III: THE APOLOGY
Date: 21 Jan 1993 16:25:16 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
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Keywords: system 7 folks....sorry

I didn't realize that this icon didn't come with directions for system 7.
Since i still have system 6, the problem didn't occur to me.

Because I have system 6, i am somewhat (o.k., very) unequipped to give much
help over email to several individuals with system 7 who tell me it's not
working. 

****IF YOU HAVE SYSTEM 7, AND YOU SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED THE KITTY LITTER
    ICON, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE POST THE SECRETS OF THE MYSTERY TO THIS
    GROUP SO THAT YOUR FELLOW SYSTEM 7 USERS CAN BE ENLIGHTENED*********


Mature, NON-PETTY, people: please stop reading (the following has nothing to
do with you)

Also, as has been pointed out to me, resedit has 748k -- not 748,000k which,
of course == 748M. it was late, i'm sorry. i now realize the error of my ways,
and no longer need to hear from various enlightened individuals who wish to
point out my tragic mistake which surely confused readers all over this fine
country.

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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: Anneliese Kropf <akropf@mariner.amc.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Giving Pills to our Fuzzy Friends
Organization: Australian Maritime College
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 03:15:37 GMT

This server is going to die if it mucks up again.  On its behalf, sorry
about the other two posts.

As I thought I had said, in our house the following appears to work the
best:

open the cats mouth, poke the pill far back, close and hold shut the
mouth, tilt the head up and stroke the neck to make it swallow.

Good luck.


Anneliese Kropf
Australian Maritime College, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia
akropf@mariner.amc.edu.au

**Some people are owned by cats and still manage to lead normal lives**
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer)
Subject: Re: cats and olives
Organization: Atmospheric Technology Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:20:37 GMT

In article <Jan.21.21.58.19.1993.3356@andromeda.rutgers.edu> giordano@andromeda.rutgers.edu (E. Giordano) writes:
>vicki@steam.atd.ucar.edu (Vicki Holzhauer) writes:
>
>>My uncle's late cat, Fruitcake, was also an olive addict.  
>
>I thought I heard everything but this is a first,
>my question is WAHT KIND OF OLIVES? 

In the case of Fruitcake, it was the plain supermarket variety of
green ones with red pimientoes in the center.  It affected him
somewhat in the same way as catnip, only more so.  His personality was
so radically altered that they gave the alter ego the name "Harvey."
Harvey always showed up after an olive (just one--no one ever dared to
give him more :-).


--
Vicki Holzhauer, National Center for Atmospheric Research
Boulder, Colorado / / / /  vicki@ncar.ucar.edu
From: akropf@mariner.amc.edu.au (Anneliese Kropf)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Giving Pills to our Fuzzy Friends
Date: 27 Jan 93 01:37:24 GMT
Organization: Australian Maritime College
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1a2

>So fellow cat people, IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO GIVE PILLS TO
CATS?Anneliese Kropf
Australian Maritime College, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia
akropf@mariner.amc.edu.au

**Some people are owned by cats and still manage to lead normal lives**
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: judith@super.org (Judith D. Schlesinger)
Subject: Re: prednisone
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center (Bowie, MD)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 18:21:42 GMT

I've had two different cats on prednisone.  The first probably died
because she was weaned off of it by a vet who insisted it was bad
for her.  A later vet, with the second cat, told me that they've
known for at least 10 years (which covered the time in which the
first died) that prednisone is not nearly as hard on cats as it is
on people or even dogs.  So, if your cat needs prednisone, give it
to him/her.  It might just keep your baby alive.

Judith

Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: mary@zmax.com (Mary Papp)
Subject: Re: Things my strange cat likes to eat!
Keywords: wierd food
Organization: Z/Max Computer Solutions, Inc.
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 17:24:54 GMT


>We discovered something new that Belle (the eldest) loves: creamed spinach
>with garlic.  She also loves baked beans and hairball remedy.  Go figure...
                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Slash loves hairball remedy.  I take it out once in a while and call "Hairball
remedy" and the cat comes running.  After he's eaten the quota he follows me
around looking for more.  I personally think the stuff smells real bad but not
as bad as wet cat food.

Mary and Slash


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From: lhuffmanp@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: counter top controversy continue
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
Distribution: rec.pets.cats,na
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:11:15 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.175117.23131@sobeco.com>, rcroteau@sobeco.com (r.croteau) writes:
> In <SBILES.93Jan24122528@dante.nmsu.edu> sbiles@nmsu.edu (Susannah E Biles) writes:
> 
> 
> 	Well, we have 4 cats at home and we have threee of them jumping on
> the counter and the fourth one, well, can't jump on the counter because
> he's too fat(a little of 20 pounds).  Our experience, no matter what you do
> they'll start all over as soon as you think that you've won the battle. Cats
> ain't dumb !  We tried with water guns, screams and other tricks but to no
> avail.  To me, to only (unreasonable) solution is to feed the cats like crazy,
> give them real yummy food, and at one point they'll be too fat to jump any-
> where.  Realistically, IMHO, there's not much you can do.


The ONLY thing I have found that works is to keep nothing on the counter that
interests them. Eventually they give up looking.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: jeff@cns.nyu.edu (Jeff Fookson)
Subject: GI Obstruction of unknown cause -- information and good thoughts needed
Reply-To: jeff@cns.nyu.edu
Organization: New York University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 16:43:38 GMT

On Sunday night, Jennifer (12 years old) rather suddenly (having eaten her usual
dinner at 6PM with her usual gusto) became distressed and was in obvious severe
pain -- could hardly walk. At the vet the next morning X-rays showed a very
distended stomach, full of food, and about 4 times normal size. Her lower
GI tract was basically empty. A few ccs of barium given orally has slowly
cleared the stomach but today, about 22 hrs after it was given, is still in the small and large intestine. There are no obvious foreign bodies or masses, and Jennifer
seems bright and alert -- slight fever, blood work normal except for slightly
elevated white count.
With 20/20 hindsight, I guess I would say I'd been noticing a decreased amount
of poop in the litter box in the week or so before Jennifer got visably sick,
but since she shares the box with her brother Simon, it was hard to be sure.
(Simon, by the way, has gotten fairly obstructed from hairballs, but he had 
obvious symptoms of vomiting -- I don't understand how a cat with a totally
distended stomach can scarf down another meal without barfing?!)
Treatment for another day or so with mineral oil and laxatone, before considering
surgery.
The vet said that there are some infections that can cause drastically altered
motility, but obviously the cause of the obstruction is really unknown at
this point.
What are folks' thoughts, advice, etc on this? We're of course very anxious and worried
waiting to find out what is going on. Has anyone had experience with surgery of
this magnitude in a 12 year-old kitty? Please, send some good thoughts Jennifer's
direction too. 


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From: "doug powless" <doug.powless@canrem.com>
Subject: cat begging
Reply-To: "doug powless" <doug.powless@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:18:56 EST

CLMy kitten, Zach, begs horribly for food everytime I try to sit down and eat!
CLHe'll meow constantly and try to jump up on the table, which he knows he's not
CLallowed to do.  I've sprayed him with water, but it doesn't much bother him,
CLand I've picked him up and set him down, but he's right back up in a flash.

CLIt's partly my fault, cause sometimes I give them a piece of what I'm eating,
CLor let them lick the sauce that's left, but just as a treat on occasion.

CLI can't eat in peace anymore...I have to gulp down my food!  Help!

        Hi Marty.  I doubt that I could help you, seeing as I suffer the
        same fate myself.

        My wife gets mad at me all the time, because when I "discipline"
        my cats for jumping up on the table, it involves coming over the
        cat, picking her up, and saying something inane like "bad kitty.
        Don't do that again, or I'll have to pick you up and cuddle you
        for a while, like I'm doing now."  <G>

        I'm supposed to spray them with water, but I guess I'm just too
        much of a softy.  This weekend, I was having supper in the
        living room, when Muffin crawled up on my lap and tried to get
        at my food.  I was busy munching away, and began holding my
        plate higher and higher, only to have her get up on her hind
        legs and reach higher and higher.  The problem was:  it was
        impossible to swallow the food in my mouth, because I was
        laughing too hard and would have choked.

        They just might be the death of me yet.
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From: 00cmmiller@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Separating Cats
Date: 25 Jan 93 01:44:32 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <2B5F17DB.11151@ics.uci.edu>, tittle@alexandre-dumas.ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
> This is posted anonymously for someone else:
> 
> ---
> Has anyone ever had any experience in having to split up a multi-cat
> household due to a separation or divorce?
> 
> If so, what advice can you give regarding the needs each cat will
> have, when one cat goes with each person?
> ---
> 
> I'd prefer followups to go to the group, but if people have private
> stories they don't want to post, I'll forward them to the person in
> question.
> 
> --Cindy

my roommate and i had two cats when we decided to move apart.  i took
the female and she took the male.  i think i missed bob more than abby
did!  she's definitely a loner kitty.  amy (my ex-roommate) realized
that bob was just miserable being alone, so she got a kitten from her
mother's cat's litter.  everything worked out great.  bob is a multiple-
cat cat.

if your friend thinks another cat is in order, by all means, get
another cat.  it's not worth having a mopey cat, from what amy told
me! ;)  best to give in!

the cats will most certainly need more attention if they notice the
other is gone.  but my cat was more concered about her new surroundings
and the fact that that pesky bob-kitten was gone to be lonely!  just
like everything else about a cat, it's up to their individual
personalities.
Organization: Information Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:27:13 -0500 
From: Ruth Kline <rk30+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Strange foods for hairballs?

If your kitty can't get any green grass to munch on in the winter
months, you can grow an oats garden indoors. Oats are available at feed
stores and 25 cents will buy more than enough for the entire winter.
Just plant some in potting soil in shallow containers (cottage cheese or
margarine containers are fine), dampen slightly and cover with plastic
wrap to retain the moisture. Make sure there's no more than a 1/4 of
soil on top of the oats grains. Keep the container in a warm place and
in less than a week the oats will sprout. Remove the plastic, but make
sure the soil doesn't dry out. It'll take another week for the plants to
get about 2" high and ready for kitty to devour. I usually plant several
containers at intervals of a week or so. That way, he has a constant
supply. You'll find that he can munch up a container's worth of oats in
a day or two. I've also heard of planting grass seed instead of oats,
and you might try that if you can't get the oats. You can buy already
planted containers at pet shops -- called "Kitty Greens" -- but they run
about $4-$5 and are no different thatn the DIY variety.
-- Ruth Kline, Carnegie Mellon University
From: alclark@rwasic27.aud.alcatel.com ( Amy L Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: cats and olives
Date: 21 Jan 1993 13:03:24 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

My mother has a friend that wanted me to ask ya'll about a
quirk that his cats have.  It seems that when he gives any
of them (he owns about 8 cats) olives (green or black) the
cats go crazy as if they had just inhaled catnip.  When the
cats think he has olives anywhere near, they won't stop
pestering him until he gives them some.  The olives have
the same catnip-like effect on all of his cats.  He wants
to know if this is common and if there is something in the
olives that is responsible for this behavior.  I keep missing
parts of the newsgroup, so if you could email me your responses,
I'll be sure he gets them.  My email address is alclark@aud.alcatel.com.
Thanks.  Amy
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: dvinette@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Diane Vinette)
Subject: Urgent Help Re: Violent Cat
Originator: dvinette@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:27:13 GMT

As I write this, my sister is about to lose her mind.  She just called me
in a terrible panick (I'm at the office and can't join her - but I sent a
friend to help out).  She owns a 3-year old cat named Tess.  Tess has
always been a quite a bit high-strung and nervous.  She won't let anyone
approach her but my sister and growls and hisses at anyone who just LOOKS
at her.  Anyway, my sister was in the kitchen quietly carrying on with
life, when Tess (who was in her bedroom, just hanging out in the closet
where my sister has a little 'bed' made out for her) came crashing into
the kitchen in a VIOLENT RAGE and ATTACKED my sister.  She was growling,
hissing, spitting, and jumping up to try and bite her face!!  My sister
was so terrified, that she soiled herself.  She managed to chase Tess back
into her closet and closed the door behind her.  She immediately phoned
the vet., who was in surgery, but promptly called her back.  When she was
on the phone with the vet (she has a cordless) she opened the closet door
and Tess attacked her again.  The vet suggested a tranquilizer to calm her
and I assume she'll be bringing her in for a looking over (if she can
approach her to administer the drug!).  

Has anyone experienced such a thing?  My sister said that Tess had a look
in her eye that was the most terrifying thing she ever saw.  She was very
upset and crying and said 'that wasn't my Tess - she seemed possessed'.  
My friend, whom I sent to help and comfort her, will be calling me as soon
as he knows what the next plan of action is.  I'm on pins and needles. 
Whenever there's a kitty in distress, I feel stressed out too.

Any comments would be helpful - I'll pass them on to her.

I'll let you all know what the vet recommends also.  This is all so
upsetting!!


.....Diane
From: ac999257@umbc.edu (ac999257)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Cat on Counters, HELP
Date: 22 Jan 1993 22:15:58 -0500
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu

In article <1993Jan22.190937.2427@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rkn3u@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Keith Norwood) writes:
>
>If we are surrogate parents to our pets, doesn't the responsibility exist 
>

Cats are adult animals, and we are not necessarily their surrogate
parents -- just their perpetual providers. They act like children,
and treat us like their moms, but they really are adult animals that
can fend for themselves if we didn't do everything for them. (Oh, God!
I did what I despise most and took one line of a post and wrote my own 
opinion. Please forgive me, it's just my opinion and not a flame!) We 
do have a responsibility to provide our cats with a loving home and 
as healthy a life as possible. We do not, necessarily have the 
responsibility to make them conform to our way of life -- we just 
like doing it.

>What do guests say when kiity is on the counter helping to prepare dinner?

(I'm doing it again, but this is just a story, not really an opinion.)
This is actually an interesting point. I've been very fortunate to have
easily trained my cats to stay off the countertops. All I did was ignore
them when they did it as kittens. When they realized it wouldn't get
them any special attention, they quit doing it. I only had to put up
with the countertop controversy for a few months. They have absolutely
no desire to jump up there anymore. But when my mom comes to visit
me, the first thing they do is jump on the countertop so that they get
to hear her scream at me for having "those damn useless animals! no
wonder you're not married!" I swear, they do it the minute she walks
in the door, as well as frequently while she is visiting. No other guest
gets to watch this truly enjoyable performance. (Reason #567 for not
enjoying my mother's visits.)

Mary
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: DECLAWING?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:35:01 GMT

ac999257 (ac999257@umbc.edu) wrote:

: P.S. Figaro is my parent's cat and lives in a rural area of
: Pennsylvania. (Well, she was *MY* cat until I moved to Maryland.
: Now my dad thinks she's his cat.) The two cats that live with

You've *all* got it wrong.  As any pet "owner" knows...

"Nobody *owns* a cat."

:) :)
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full gun registration.  Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient,
and the world will follow our lead into the future.  --Adolf Hitler
From: sharonl@informix.com (Sharon Levine)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: book search
Summary: Japanese brush illustrations
Keywords: Cat Who Went To Heaven
Date: 21 Jan 93 20:03:39 GMT
Distribution: rec.pets.cats
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

m searching for this book, probably out of print.  It was about Budda's
cat. The illustrations were lovely brush paintings of all the animals
who came to Budda's side when he was dying.  Does any one know of this
book and who might have one he is willing to sell?
:m
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:mail
:help
From: mpmarie@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (MARIE HUCOVSKY)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Re: Strange Feeding Ritual
Date: 27 Jan 93 21:28:00 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan25.013052.22848@pool.info.sunyit.edu>, ujak@pool.sunyit.edu (Jim Kulak) writes...
>Hi all.  Last year I found a cute kitten wandering the local highway
>and later adopted the kitten.  A long story in itself.  After Java
>eats from his bowl, even today, he seems to be trying to "bury" his
>food with imaginary dirt and leaves which he "scoops" from the floor
>around his bowl and the wall behind it.  Does anyone have a clue as
>to what it is for?  Could it possibly have something to do with living
>in the wild for a couple of months?  (We think the kitten was born
>in the wild and wadered onto the highway).
> 
>Jim Kulak
>ujak@sunyit.edu

I too adopted a tiny stray kitten, who now is almost two years.  He is a 
big digger.  I keep a rug under the cat's food bowls in the winter time 
because the floor gets cold.  Spike is constantly "digging" at the rug as 
if he is trying to cover his food bowl.  I couldn't figure it out and I 
have come to believe either he doesn't like the food and is covering it 
much like he would if it were in the litter box (his way of showing his 
opinion) or he is trying to hide it because his instinct tells him if he 
doesn't someone else will eat it.  I would guess that this last idea might 
pertain to your new kitten.  Do you have any other animals living in the 
house?  I would be quite interested in knowing what other people might 
suggest.

Marie, Spike and Harry
From: 2hwbtalk@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats
Subject: Tracking problem HELP
Date: 23 Jan 93 22:05:21 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

My cat loves to digg to China, so I make him happy and fill the box rather full
with scoopable litter.  He diggs, does his thing, and then covers it like no
cat should.  With the back feet out and the front feet in, he does a hopping
motion to cover, like a person doing push-ups and claping on the upward.  in 
the process hhe gets litter everywhere.  I can easily vacume around the box,
but what really bugs me is how he can track it all over the house. Has anyone
used a track mat with success?  thanks for help.

PS even though it is full.  It is the type of box with a lid and very high
sides, so for the box itself, it is not that deep in comparison.
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