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From: Jack_Webb@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Webb)
Subject: Re: Manhole covers - why circular?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 07:09:02 GMT

> Robert Weinberg writes:
>
> Msg-ID: <1993Jan5.173440.10482@informix.com>
> Posted: 5 Jan 93 17:34:40 GMT
>
> Org.  : Informix Software, Inc.
>
> Manhole covers are manufactured in circular shape, rather than oval or
> square, to
> satisfy one paramount condition.
>
> What is the condition, and why does a circular shape satisfy it?
>
> What other shapes would also satisfy the condition?
>
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If a manhole cover is flipped, it will not fall down the hole... an oval
will, so will a square, depending on the angle.

*j*  :)

--
WE SAIL TONIGHT FOR SINGAPORE - WE'RE ALL AS MAD AS HATTERS HERE!!

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Newsgroups: rec.puzzles

>They are round so that they cannot fall through the manhole,
>regardless of the orientation.
>
>Any regular polygon can be oriented to fall through the hole,
>unless the lip or ridge in the manhole is wide enough.
>
>Other shapes, anyone?
>
>Tim
>----------

Shape it like a piece of toast with jam. Then it will only fall 
one way... jam side down.
From: robertw@informix.com (Robert Weinberg)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
Subject: Re: Manhole covers - why circular?
Date: 8 Jan 93 21:40:59 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <C0Fo36.GyE@gabriel.keele.ac.uk> radar@grumpy (Reidar J. Husmo) writes:
> Robert Weinberg (robertw@informix.com) wrote:
> : Manhole covers are manufactured in circular shape, rather than oval or square,  
to  
> : satisfy one paramount condition.
> 
> It is therefore tempting to say that any (2n+1) polygon which edges are part
> of a circle, with centre being the opposite vertex, will do.

I can't prove it, but I came to the same supposition as Reidar.

In a (2n+1)-sided "rounded" polygon, every vertex is equidistant to its two  
"opposite" vertices.

When such a polygon (the manhole cover) is tipped up to the vertical, the minimum  
cross-section it can present to the horizontal plane is the distance between one  
vertex and one of its "opposites" - when you rotate the polygon, the distance  
between a vertex and an arc presents the same cross-section.

This distance is equal to the maximum cross-section of the same polygon when laid  
out (the manhole itself). So given a lip of the kind allowed for circular manholes,  
a (2n+1) "rounded" polygon would never fall through, it seems to me.
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Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: An(other) *easy* puzzle. (COMMENT AND ADDITION)
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:58:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan11.084449.15502@Csli.Stanford.EDU> hiraga@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Yuzuru Hiraga) writes:
>In article <1993Jan9.030824.13624@Csli.Stanford.EDU> I wrote
>>A plane is totally colored with two colors.
>[...]
>* Does there exist an isosceles triangle ABC with AB=AC=1cm?

... with A, B, C all the same color, I presume.

The answer is, "Yes."  Suppose not.  Let OPQ be an equilateral
triangle of side 1 cm.  At least two of the vertices must be of the
same color, WLOG suppose O and P are both red.  Now every point R
other than P on the circle of radius 1 cm about O must be blue,
otherwise OPR is the forbidden isoceles triangle.  But then it is easy
to construct a forbidden isoceles triangle (with blue vertices) using
any point S on this circle that is *not* 1 cm away from P, along with
the two distinct points T and U on the circle such that ST=SU=1 cm.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
Newsgroups: rec.puzzles
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Port Holes
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:11:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.122008.1802@wisipc.weizmann.ac.il> jhsegal@wiscon.weizmann.ac.il (Livian) writes:
>Oh,come on! It is a known fact that the round shapes are more resistable to
>pressure.So ship port holes are round to resist to the water pressure.

This is a non sequitur.  A sphere will indeed withstand more pressure
than a cube of the same volume and skin thickness.  But this doesn't
explain why a round hole in that sphere should be stronger than
a square hole.  I believe the stress analysis required for the latter
case is much more sophisticated than for the former.

Further I would guess that the properties of the round porthole often
are important when there is not even any water *near* the porthole, and
atmospheric pressure is equal on both sides of the porthole.
From: potamian@hpl.hp.com (Spyros Potamianos)
Subject: Unfair coin (CORRECTION)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:13:41 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard

Oooooooooops! I made a mistake in my previous posting about approximating
an arbitrary probability with an unfair coin. The number of tosses you
need is always unbounded (not finite).
You see, what happened is that in my mind I broke the problem in two
subproblems:
    a) simulate a fair coin using an unfair coin
    b) generate P (or an approximation to it) from a fair coin

For some values of P (b) only needs a finite number of tosses (e.g.
P=0.25). However when combining both (a) and (b) to form the problem I
posted then the number of tosses is obviously unbounded....
However the average number of tosses you need is still finite.

Thanks to David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu) for pointing out my mistake!

Spyros Potamianos
potamian@hpl.hp.com
From: steven@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk (Steven Rix)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Volga/Benko Gambit help
Date: 8 Jan 93 11:03:45 GMT
Reply-To: steven@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Chemical Engineering Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gour.chemeng.ed.ac.uk

In article 3k9n@rpi.edu, buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>In article <1ibog0INNo6q@gour.chemeng.ed.ac.uk> steven@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk writes:
>>Play the Nescafe Frappe Attack! Read the recent book by Graham Burgess (published
>>by Chess Enterprises). For non-believers, the line goes
>>
>>1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 c5 3 d5 b5 4 cb a6 5 Nc3 ab 6 e4 b4 7 Nb5 d6 8 Bc4, 
>>
>>when Black has every chance of getting his head kicked in.
>>
>>Steve


>Black isn't a pawn down and has a fine Benko position.
>
>I would guess possible moves are 8...Ba6 or 8...Ne4 if she's looking for fun.

First of all, Black's compensation for the pawn gives very good practical chances.
BCO2 recommends that, in mainline positions, White should forget about defending 
his extra pawn and instead try to hack Black off in the centre (f4, e5, etc). The
Nescafe Frappe is a sharp attempt to blow Black away. 8 Bc4 is an off-shoot of the
Zaitsev variation (5 Nc3), which usually goes 8 Bf4.

8. ... Nxe4 is well met by 9 Qe2 f5 10 f3 Nf6 11 Bf4.

8. ... Ba6 is more sensible; I will have a look at it. 8. ... Nbd7, as suggested 
by Stephen Dawson (e-mail correspondence), is one of the main lines analysed by
Graham Burgess, as is 8. ... g6 9 e5 de 10 d6 ed 11 Bg5.

Steve
From: lumme@sara.cc.utu.fi (Mikael Lumme)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Users vs MChess
Date: 4 Jan 93 08:12:16 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

In the game Users vs MChess the move of the
MChess is 40. - Bxg7

 Game #2 so far:      1 e4   e5   13 OOO  Na6   25 Rxf8+ Kxf8  37 Qc4   Qf6
                      2 f4   ef   14 Nd4  Ng3   26 Qc2   Kg8   38 Re2   Rf7
 8 - - - - - - k -    3 Nf3  d6   15 Bb5  Qe5   27 Qf5   g3    39 Qg4+  Qg7
 7 - - p - - r b p    4 d4   g5   16 Rhe1 Nc5   28 Qd7   b5    40 Qxg7+ Bxg7
 6 p - - p - - - -    5 h4   g4   17 Nb3  Nxb3  29 a3    b4
 5 - - - P - - - -    6 Ng1  f5   18 cb   a6    30 axb4  Qe7
 4 - P - - - - - P    7 Bxf4 fe   19 Bd3  Bf5   31 Qg4   Qe3
 3 - P N - - - p -    8 Nc3  Nf6  20 Bb1  Rae8  32 Qd7   Re7
 2 - P K - R - P -    9 d5   Bg7  21 Bf4  e3    33 Qc8+  Bf8
 1 - - - - - - - -   10 Nge2 O-O  22 Bxe3 Bxb1  34 Kc2   Qf2+
   a b c d e f g h   11 Qd2  Nh5  23 Kxb1 Nf1   35 Rd2   Qf1
                     12 Bg5  Qe8  24 Rxf1 Qxe3  36 Qg4+  Rg7


If you want to be in on the vote for the next move,
send your suggestion (along with any comments 
that you may have) to me.  On Thursday, I will 
send copies of everyone's  suggestions and comments 
to everyone on the participants list.  

If you want to receive the discussion notes without
making a vote just let me know.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hyatt@cis.uab.edu (Robert Hyatt)
Subject: Re: Hyatt summary of Cray Blitz evaluation function
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:11:59 GMT

In article <9301041813.AA02295@ai386u> alacron!ai386u!adb@uunet.UU.NET (Alan David Brunelle) writes:
>
>
>To add to van der List's request (vanderlist@fccc.edu): Yes, could you please
>post the troff source for this summary? Thanks in advance!
>


I'm working on it.  Schaeffer and Marsland have no problem, but suggested I
contact the publisher first (Springer-Verlag).  Working on that now.  If so,
I'll post the whole thing.....

Bob

-- 
!Robert Hyatt                    Computer and Information Sciences   !
!hyatt@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham !
From: jay@tweekco.uucp (Jay Whitley)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: TIMMAN-SHORT vs F-S II
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 16:52:16 PST
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615

As Timman-Short proceeds, I'd be interested in reading discussion
on the topic: 

How does the quality of play in Timman-Short compare
to the quality of play from Fischer-Spassky II?
 
Many have said the quality of Fischer-Spassky II was not up
to World Championship standards.  So, I'd like to know if
Timman-Short is up to those standards (comparatively) and why.
 
Do the different clocks/time controls make a comparison more
difficult?
From: jadiel@altair.csustan.edu (Jose Juan DeLeon)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Should r.g.c be split into 2 groups?
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:45:33 GMT
Organization: CSU Stanislaus

In article <C0D0L1.M4G@hplntx.hpl.hp.com> albert@hpl.hp.com (Joseph Albert) writes:
>In article <geider.05au@amigdr.gna.org> geider@amigdr.gna.org (Frank Geider) writes:
>>I'm just comming in Newsgroup 'rec.games.chess' after 6 monthes interruption.
>>Is it another Newsgroup on Chess Game ?
>>6 monthes ago, it seemed be more gmaes on rec.games.chess and also offer to
>>play ? Is it any new law from moderator ?
>
>Naw, no moderator here.  I guess you last read this newsgroup back in the
>old days when chess was discussed here, back before a number of assholes
>with no self-control decided that their pride was worth more than the
>result of embarassing themselves in front of thousands of readers world-wide.
>
>Maybe we should separate this newsgroup into 2 separate groups, say:
>
>rec.games.chess
>-and-
>rec.games.chess.misc
>
>the former would be restricted (absolutely) to posts which provide the
>scores of games, analysis of games/positions/openings, or questions
>answers are of the form of the first two items in this list.
>
>rec.games.chess.misc would be a free-for-all in which anything conforming
>to USENET guidelines, with some, no matter how remote, connection to
>chess, could be posted.
>
>is there enough interest to organize a formal RFD?
>
>Joseph Albert
>albert@hplabs.hp.com


Yes!  I just want to see some *real* chess discussion rather than a bunch
of cry-babies.

In particular, could somebody direct me to articles or papers that
discuss the most efficient method of data storage of chess positions
that allow for best search times?
From: jay@tweekco.uucp (Jay Whitley)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Titan Chess IBM Software
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 19:58:06 PST
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615

Anyone have any experience/comments about ICD's
advertised chess software for IBM called "Titan"  ?
I've heard discussions of MChess, Zarkov, GMChess,
Rexchess, KtStalker/Fritz, CM, etc....but nothing
really on "Titan."  The advertisement in Chess Liffe
says "under $100" but nothing else.
From: monaghan@cac.washington.edu (Tracy Monaghan )
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: this has got to stop
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:51:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1i9tfvINNcim
Organization: UW Computing
NNTP-Posting-Host: red2.cac.washington.edu

In article <1hvtvbINNgti@agate.berkeley.edu> jeff@emily10.Berkeley.EDU (Jeffrey C. Ely) writes:
>
>Please, everybody just ignore this asshole.

I could not have put more eloquently.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: uzun@netcom.com (William Roger Uzun)
Subject: Computers and Chess, what do IM, GM's think?
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:29:30 GMT

I find it enjoyable to pit my skills vs computers like Maxwell, and
gnufour on ICS.  They usually defeat me, but I find that they
can enhance my play and seem to have helped me develop a better
overall view of the board, in less time.

I am not a real good chess player, maybe a B or A class competitor, 
possibly less, I have a 1450-1500 pt rating on ICS and no
USCF rating, I am curious as to how helpful computer chess
programs are to very advanced players, even GrandMasters.

I derived little benefit playing MChess Pro on a 486/33, it
defeated me easily on several occasions.  Would someone
with a 2450+ rating, FIDE, defeat a pgm like MChess Pro
easily?  Take, for example, the womans world Champion
Xie Jung, realistically, could MChess Pro ona real fast computer
hope to defeat her?  How useful are computer chess pgms
to GrandMasters, and very strong GrandMasters?  Clearly
someone like Karpov or Kasparov could easily defeat MChess
Pro, or the ChessMachine, but could they derive any benefits
from these pgms, or would it be quite boring to them.  Could
a weaker GM Like Xie Jun derive any benefit from these pgms.

Just curious.

-Roger
uzun@crash.cts.com
uzun@netcom.netcom.com
From: geider@amigdr.gna.org (Frank Geider)
Subject: Re: Should r.g.c be split into 2 groups?
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Organization: ATACOM's Versailles Node
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:09:57 MET
Organization: ATACOM's Versailles Node

Marcel van Kervinck (marcelk@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl) wrote:

: : How about splitting 3 ways: one for real chess, one for the silly
: : arguments, and one for chess computers?
Yes !

: I also think splitting rec.games.chess is the way to go. However, I
: think two groups are enough:
a little Yes..., I think always for 3 :
  rec.games.chess.comp
   for chess computers
and the:
: rec.games.chess
:  for chess-technical discussions, thus including chess programming
: rec.games.chess.misc
:  for non-technical discussions, which overload the group today.

                          Frank Geider
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From: kevin@eye.com (Kevin Stokker)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Knights Tour
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 21:41:35 GMT
Organization: 3D/EYE, Inc.  Ithaca, NY

In article <1993Jan11.215214.7373@csc.ti.com> anderson@skylitskylit.dseg.ti.com () writes:
>
>Can the knights tour be completed starting from any square on a regular
>8x8 chess board.

Yes.
From: kees@cv.ruu.nl (Kees de Graaf)
Subject: Re: Walker's LaTex chess font etc. for Macintosh
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:25:13 GMT
Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group
Keywords: postscript, font, LaTex, Macintosh

In <cerulean.726206708@digex> cerulean@access.digex.com (Bill Christens-Barry) writes:

| I've seen and used a set of LaTex macros and a postscript font that prints
| incredibly good chess diagrams and all of the notational goodies needed to
| produce good chess manuscripts under Unix.  Unfortunately, I'm not soph-
| isticated enough to know how these things can be used on a Macintosh.  I
| know it is possible (the author, A. Walker emailed me that it's do-able),
| and it's probably fairly easy for a Mac or TeX guru.
| 
| Has anyone out there gotten these incredible tools up and running on the
| Macintosh?  KNow anyone who has?  Want to give it a try?  Getting this
| done will represent a major breakthru for Macintosh chess writers.

I'm using Tutelaer's macros (see the FAQ) under both LaTex on Unix and
OzTex on Macintosh. I'm not at all a tex guru. Installing OzTex on a
Mac is a matter of simply following the instructions. Installing the
chess macros is a breath: put the fonts in the texfonts directory and the
rest into the texinputs directory. Both OzTex and Tutelaer are freeware.

| I can get you more detailed info and the postscript font and other stuff
| needed if you're willing to be our hero.  Just let me know.  This would
| come in real handy if it were taken care of by the time Short beats Timman.

That would be 3 years from now, right?  ;-)

-- Kees de Graaf, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands, kees@cv.ruu.nl
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Subject: Re: ChessBase - European supplier sought
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:43:51 GMT

mwebb@maths.tcd.ie (Mark Webb) writes:


>I am looking at purchasing ChessBase / KnightStalker 
>but am unable to get any response from Chessbase USA 
>-- their fax receives, but no replies are sent or no
>correspondance.

>Is there a European distributor someone could point me towards.

>I have the demos from the 'valkryies' archives.

>Many thanks.
>-- 

>Mark Webb	mwebb@maths.tcd.ie


I have dealt with the people at ChessBase by voice phone and found them to
be extremely friendly and helpful.  The numbers I have (in MD) are:
 800-524-3527 and 301-733-7541.

Roy Eassa


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Subject: Re: Softwares & Ratings !
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 02:55:24 GMT

tobill@mac.lerc.nasa.gov (William B. Wright) writes:

>You should know that Sargon III is not System 7 compatible and will probably 
>not be upgraded. I found this out after calling their tech support. All the 
>programs I have seen on Macintosh (Chessmaster 2100, Sargon III, Checkmate) 
>all have serious flaws both in features and strength of play

>The iceman cometh!


Sargon IV has been out on the Mac for at least 3 or 4 years!  It seems to
run fine on System 7, but fails on systems that have built-in video (e.g.,
it works great on my IIcx but fails on a IIci, even if the monitor is
plugged into a video card rather than the built-in video).
 
Sargov IV is quite a bit stronger than III, and it maintains the good
interface.  I think Sargon V may be coming, as may Chessmaster 3000 for
Macintosh.  Still, it's pitiful that no new, strong programs have come out
for this otherwise superlative platform for at least 3 years.  The main
reason I supplemented my Mac with a PC is for MChess (Pro), RexChess,
Zarkov, and Fritz (II), all of which blow away any Mac chess program (in
strength, not interface).
From: sla@mimsy.umd.edu (Steve Armentrout)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Searching for one of Larsen's games...
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:40:23 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

I vaguely recall a game in which Black played a sacrificial combination the 
point of which was that Black h-pawn could not be prevented from queening.  
If memory serves, Larsen was one of the players.  I believe it was in one of 
the books "The Opening in Chess" by Levy (I think) or "The Middle Game in Chess"
by (can't recall) - Barden wrote the third book in this little series called,
surprisingly enough, "The Ending in Chess".  I realize that there is not much 
information to work with here, but any pointers to this game would be 
appreciated.

Steve
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hcn@calvin.inesc.pt (Horacio Neto)
Subject: Re: Chess trivia! (well sort of)
Reply-To: hcn@inesc.pt
Organization: INESC, Lisboa Portugal
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 13:58:43 GMT


In article <72DwwB1w164w@wharf> ben@wharf.UUCP (Bob Fischer) writes:

   Howdy Netters!

   A friend of mine is looking to fill a couple holes in his chess database.
   He asked me for help, but I was unable to supply him with the info he
   needed. I figure someone in our virtual chess club might be able to take a
   crack at coming up with the answers. (Hey, just think of it as an obscure
   trivia quiz :-)

   I need the names of the players who played white in the
   following games from the 1988 Naleczow tournament:

	      ?  vs Pandavos,Emanuel       Round 12
	      ?  vs Tomaszewski,Roman      Round  9
	      ?  vs Adonov,Bogomil         Round  7

   Any help would be *much* appreciated!!!

   Peace,
	Bob

I found the following games. It seems the white player is the same for
the 3 games. This is the only information I've got and I wouldn't bet
on its correctness... (my database is also full of holes!)

Palkovi (2425)
Pandavos,E (2410)
Naleczow (12), 1988
1.e4 e5 2.Cf3 Cf6 3.Cxe5 d6 4.Cc4 Cxe4 5.De2 De7 6.Ce3 Cf6 7.b3 Be6 8.g3 
c6 9.Bg2 g6 10.Bb2 Bg7 11.c4 0-0 12.d4 Te8 13.0-0 Dd7 14.Cc3 Ca6 15.Df3 
Cc7 16.Ce2 d5 17.Cf4 Ce4 18.Cxe6 Txe6 19.Tad1 Tae8 20.Cc2 Bh6 21.Dd3 b5 
22.cxb5 cxb5 23.Bc1 Bg7 24.Be3 f5 25.f3 Cd6 26.Bf4 T6e7 27.Tfe1 a6 
28.Txe7 Txe7 29.Te1 Txe1+ 30.Cxe1 Ce6 31.Be5 Cf7 32.f4 Cd6 33.Cf3 Dc6 
34.Bf1 Ce4 35.Rg2 Dc1 36.a4 Db2+ 37.De2 Dxb3 38.axb5 Cc3 39.De3 Db2+ 
40.Rh3 axb5 41.Bxg7 Cxg7 42.De7 h6 43.Ce5 Ce2 44.Df7+ Rh8 45.Bxe2 Dxe2 
46.Dxg6 Dh5+ 47.Dxh5 Cxh5 48.Cc6 Rg7 49.Ce7 b4 50.Cxf5+ Rf7 51.Ce3 Cf6 
52.Rg2 b3 53.Cd1 Ce4 54.Rf3 Cd2+ 55.Re2 Ce4 56.Rd3 Re6 57.Ce3 h5 58.Cg2 
Cf2+ 59.Rc3 Cg4 60.h3 Cf2 61.Rxb3 Cxh3 62.Ce3 Cf2 63.Rc2 Ce4 64.Cf1 Rf5 
65.Rd3 Rg4 66.Re3 Cf6 67.Rf2 Ce4+ 68.Rg2 Cxg3 69.Cxg3 Rxf4 70.Rf2 h4 
71.Ce2+ Re4 1/2

Palkovi (2425)
Tomaszewski (2360)
Naleczow (9), 1988
1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Cf6 3.d3 c6 4.Bb3 d5 5.Cf3 Bd6 6.exd5 cxd5 7.Bg5 Be6 8.Cc3 
d4 9.Bxe6 dxc3 10.Bc4 cxb2 11.Tb1 Cbd7 12.Txb2 Dc7 13.0-0 0-0 14.Te1 Tfe8 
15.h3 a6 16.a4 h6 17.Bh4 Tab8 18.Cd2 Bc5 19.Df3 Bd4 20.Tbb1 Tf8 21.Ce4 
Cxe4 22.Txe4 Rh8 23.Be7 Cc5 24.Bxf8 Cxe4 25.Bxg7+ Rxg7 26.Dxe4 b5 27.axb5 
axb5 28.Bb3 Tb6 29.Tf1 Tf6 30.g3 Dc3 31.De2 Dc6 32.h4 Tf3 33.Rh2 Tf6 
34.f3 Tg6 35.f4 exf4 36.Txf4 Bf6 37.c4 Dc7 38.cxb5 Be5 1-0

Palkovi (2425)
Andonov,B (2415)
Naleczow (7), 1988
1.Cf3 d5 2.g3 c6 3.Bg2 Cf6 4.d3 Bf5 5.0-0 h6 6.Cbd2 e6 7.b3 Cbd7 8.Bb2 
Be7 9.Te1 0-0 1/2


Regards,
Horacio
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From: v5875bza@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Michael M Gorman Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: splitting r.g.c
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:13:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I'd love to see the group split.  I only read about 1/50th of the
messages as things stand now.  I'm not against people talking about
all these various things (there's no need to insult one another), I'd
just like to be able to efficiently check for info on my fave openings
and then sign off.

Let's have an amicable divorce, no?  WIth visitation rights to each
other's newsgroups?

Michael G.
SUNY
Philosophy