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From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: Running out of the building
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:23:57 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: helfman@aero.org's message of 18 Aug 92 07:02:10 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.070210.7238@aero.org> helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman) writes:

  All the natives in my office (myself included, I have to admit),
  get a real hoot out of watching the recent arrivals freak out during quakes.
  They seem to adapt after the first couple of events, finally settling
  down into an apparent (or well-feigned) non-chalance. 

This assumes that they stay around long enough to get used to quakes.
We have "lost" a couple of promising new hires when 5-ish earthquakes
"went off" during their interviews.  Somehow, they lost interest in
relocating to California....
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From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Subject: Re: Power LInes
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 20:14:34 GMT

While reading article <1992Aug19.190251.23150@netlabs.com>, I noticed that
lwall@netlabs.com (Larry Wall) said the following:
 >P.S.  Hint.  With a manual transmission you can move a car a little
 >ways even if you can't start the engine, as long as the battery and
 >starter still work.  Just remember what happened the last time you
 >tried to start your car in gear...

I don't know what you drive, but for whatever reason all cars I know of
with a manual transmission since 1979 or so have a clutch "safety switch"
for the starter motor (e.g. the starter doesn't work unless the clutch pedal
is all the way down).  Or at least that's the way it's worked on a 1979 Buick
Skyhawk, a 1988 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 and a 1989 Ford Probe GT...
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From: jc@optimla.aimla.com (John VanHoozer)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: Shelf life of canned foods
Date: 12 Aug 92 23:04:33 GMT
Reply-To: jc@optimla.aimla.com (John VanHoozer)
Organization: OptImage Interactive Services Co., L.P.

In article <2A893FA0.7777@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, klabbers@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu
(Pam Klabbers) writes:
|> 
|> My husband and I have about 14 of the MRI's used in the Gulf war by soldiers
|> given to us by a friend in the national guard.  They are in such appealing
|> combinations as Franks and Beans, but should last and have 3000 calories 
|> each, so we could easily survive on one a day.  4 of them are split between
|> our two cars, so that in case we cant get home right away...  We also always
|> have an extra 5 gallon water bottle on hand and rotate it through our usual 
|> water usage.  My next step is to assemble a first aid kit.  Does anyone
|> know if you can buy an official manual from the Red Cross through a bookstore?
|>    Thanks, Pam
|> 

A first aid kit is very important, too.  It is also the one thing that
I don't currently have in the packs my fiance' and I prepared.  
What would be a good minimum?

Also,  I don't know if the RC has a manual or if there are any good 
books (I know that there are books - don't know if they are good or not)
but I would suggest that you call the RC and look in to _CLASSES_.
I have some friends that took the hiker oriented first aid class 
2 years ago and they loved it.  I am signing up for the next one I can!


				jc

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From: jc@optimla.aimla.com (John VanHoozer)
Subject: Re: Personal Tales of Big Earthquakes
Reply-To: jc@optimla.aimla.com (John VanHoozer)
Organization: OptImage Interactive Services Co., L.P.
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:04:07 GMT

Back to the personal tales...

Mondays little (5.2, little? ;) shaker caught me on the phone with
my fiance in Pasadena:

   her: "and then...  Wait we're having a quake..."
		me count: "1,2"
   her: "it's over.  Well anyway, ..."
		[shaking starts here]

I've heard of other people getting caught in mid conversation like this.
I thought it was pretty neat.


-----------------------

Whittier quake:

I had just moved here to start a new job.  I had looked and looked
and finally found an apartment to move in to and had taken posession
of it on Thursday morning,  moved my stuff in that afternoon.  I stayed
one more night in the hotel (there was no place to sleep in the apt. and
the motel was paid for...).  I awoke and went to Denny's for breakfast.

I was looking out the window when the quake struck.  The "Denny's 
Restaurant" emblem in the window was moving opposite of the 
"Al Tate's Beauty College" sign across the street.  At the time
I thought, "Wow,  just like an Irwin Allen movie! Neat!"

Later,  I learned how bad these things can be.


				jc

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Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: What is it about Chile?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 09:32:48 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

I just read a newsblurp on Newsbytes that said that a mag 5 quake had
hit northern Chile and "was felt from the city of Copiapo, 480 miles
north of Santiago, to the port of Taltal, 660 miles away, and lasted for
one minute and originated from southeast of Taltal in the Pacific."

Unless these figures and distances were incorrectly typed into the
news release, isn't it a tad unusual for a mag 5 to be felt 660 miles
away and last for a minute?? 660 miles is over 150 miles farther
than the distance from downtown L.A. to downtown Sacramento (to put
this in perspective)... so what's the deal with Chile? 

Harv
From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: Nostradamus & Earthquake Prediction
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:49:40 GMT
Distribution: ca

In article <183055@pyramid.pyramid.com>, lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>    They should've studied Nicola Tesla's papers.  He succeeded in
>    creating a few artificial earthquakes in lower Manhattan by
>    smiting the ground (with a piling hammer) at it's resonant
>    frequency.   

While it's true these are "earthquakes" by virtue of the fact that he is
shaking the ground, they are not what we normally describe as earthquakes
today.  Today, the word earthquake is associated with a specific type of source,
which is motion along a fault.  Tesla did not accomplish that.  Shaking the
ground with pile drivers is a pretty common source, actually.  There is
a case where a pile driver actually did hit the natural period of a body
of sedimentary fill on a lakeside.  The fill liquefied and ran into the
lake, creating a major disaster.  As far as hitting the natural period
of the granite bedrock under Manhattan - that'd be pretty tough - that granite
is part of a continuous body of continental bedrock that makes up most
of the crust of North America.



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Center for Seismic Studies
Arlington, VA
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Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: abrams@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Robert Abrams)
Subject: test
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:13:02 GMT


Just a test folks!!

Bye
From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: Personal Tales of Big Earthquakes
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:42:08 GMT
Distribution: ca

In article <1992Aug14.153706.3852@wdl.loral.com>, gjs@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Gregory Scott) writes:
> 
> She said: "Run?!"
> I said: "Yes!!!!"
> We dashed out of the building, taking the DEC people with us,

Interesting story, but I suggest you do not run out of the building
in the future.  I good story could have turned into tragedy if someone
was hit by falling debris as they ran out the door.


--
Richard Stead
Center for Seismic Studies
Arlington, VA
stead@seismo.css.gov
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From: eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Personal Tales of Big Earthquakes
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:22:23 GMT
Distribution: ca

In article <51082@seismo.CSS.GOV> stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead) writes:
In article <1992Aug14.153706.3852@wdl.loral.com>,
gjs@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Gregory Scott) writes:
>> She said: "Run?!"
>> I said: "Yes!!!!"
>> We dashed out of the building, taking the DEC people with us,

>Interesting story, but I suggest you do not run out of the building
>in the future.  I good story could have turned into tragedy if someone
>was hit by falling debris as they ran out the door.

I agree with Richard, as it is generally forgotten about the people who died
in downtown SF during 1989 when the brick fronts of certain buildings
fell on top of their cars (the Cypress and the SF fires caught more
attention, oh SC's building collapses, too).  No one died at the Amfac hotel
but it also collapsed.

My memory of that quake was interesting.  I was on the telephone to
Bob Morris at Bell Labs (remember the passwd cmd on Unix systems?).
We were fighting VMS vs. Unix wars at the time at Ames.
I remember saying, oh yes we are having an earthquake....(it did shake
pretty good and I did think about ducking under the desk (I had interior
windows in that old office)).

Months later, Bob came out here for the yearly computer security meeting at
the Claremont, and he came by Ames to give a seminar.  He said that it would
have been perfectly okay for me to have dropped the phone and run outside
the building, he would not have been offended and would have understood.
So being on the phone made an impression on Bob.

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From: jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: Personal Tales of Big Earthquakes
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:29:00 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc., San Jose, CA

In article <1992Aug12.161729.29953@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
>
>Reminds me of a small quake I felt several years after moving to LA.
>
>After the minor tremor, my wife said:  That was a little one.  I replied:
>"Either a little one nearby or San Francisco is no longer there".  She
>never call a tremor "a little one" again.

My former fiance was working in Nipomo when the Loma Prieta
hit.  (For those who don't know, Nipomo is in coastal San Luis
Obispo Co., on the stabilized edge of the huge dune
area---about 300 miles south of Loma Prieta.)  The warehouse
he was in underwent a long, rhythmic undulation, like it was
sitting on jello.  His co-worker remarked "Wow, that was the
most interesting little quake I've ever felt!"  He shook his
head.  "That wasn't a little quake.  That was something
*really big* a long ways away.  Little quakes feel different."
He turned on the radio, and sure enough, very shortly it was
reporting on the Loma Prieta.

Which reminds me of the Morgan Hill quake.  I think it was a
5.2?  I was in Cupertino, and dove under my desk.  What was
absolutely fascinating, in a horrifying way, was that my
office was near the center of a huge building constructed in
the manner of what was later known as an "Armenian pancake
special."  As I huddled under my desk, I watched *five inch
tall* waves ripple through the floor of my office, about eight
feet apart, just like ripples on a water surface.  Weirdest
(and scariest) thing I've ever seen.  It was like the concrete
floor wasn't solid, but fluid.  I've never thought of "solid"
structures in quite the same way, since.

--
  Jilara   [jane@swdc.stratus.com]

I've worn high-heeled pointed-toed fashionable shoes for the past 
twenty years, and you ask me about if *getting tattooed* hurt?!
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From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Running out of the building
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 20:29:23 GMT
Distribution: ca

>In article <Bt5nLL.GJv@well.sf.ca.us> casey@well.sf.ca.us
(Kathleen Creighton) writes:
>>You know, it has been my observation that the *first* thing people are going
>>to do is "leave the building".
>>What do you think?

In article <1992Aug18.070210.7238@aero.org> helfman@aero.org
(Robert S. Helfman) writes:
>I think that the great majority of these folks who headed out of their
>respective buildings didn't grow up here.

Evolution in action.  To borrow a quote from an old climbing partner:
"Selected against."  Selected against getting harmed by falling debris.
"Selected against."  (Wayne was a geologist [soft rock].)

Of course, those staying inside are Selected Against staying in buildings.

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Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
From: karn@chicago.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn)
Subject: Re: Personal Tales of Big Earthquakes
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 04:26:27 GMT

In article <8164.18151@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> jane@soave.swdc.stratus.com (Jane Beckman) writes:
>As I huddled under my desk, I watched *five inch
>tall* waves ripple through the floor of my office, about eight
>feet apart, just like ripples on a water surface.  Weirdest
>(and scariest) thing I've ever seen.  It was like the concrete
>floor wasn't solid, but fluid.  I've never thought of "solid"
>structures in quite the same way, since.

Richter, in "Elementary Seismology", has a bit to say about these wave
observations. It seems that they're more likely to be perceptual
illusions than real waves, otherwise the material couldn't possibly
remain intact.

Phil
From: jgt10@uts.amdahl.com ( KD6KID)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: Personal Tales of Big Earthquakes
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:43:59 GMT
Distribution: ca
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

jc@optimla.aimla.com (John VanHoozer) writes:

[...]
>I've heard of other people getting caught in mid conversation like this.
>I thought it was pretty neat.

There was a 5 something quake on the Hayward fault before the Loma 
Prieta quake.  I was on the phone to a field person on the East 
coast.  

Me:	Hey, we have an earthquake.

Him:	Really?!?! (Table jumps a little)

Me:	Yeah!  (Shaking continues)

Him:	You want to call me back? (Shaking dies off)

Me:	Nah, it over.  Nothing big.

I think the guy on the other end was more impressed by the quake than I
was.

--
When I was in college in Davis, CA I lived in this two story apartment
house with six units.  I lived in one corner with the stairs right
in front of the door.  One day the building shook a little.  Since
the guys next door were known to run up the stairs with their bikes
I didn't think anything of it.  As with most mundane things one part of 
my mind was counting the number of steps, when it reached a number 
sufficient to get to the third floor (see above) I took notice.
Woodland, CA had had a 3 or 4 magnitude.
--
Then there was the time...

JGT
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From: stead@skadi.CSS.GOV (Richard Stead)
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Subject: Re: Power LInes
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:42:38 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.142746.533@spacm1.spac.spc.com>, iccsap020@spacm1.spac.spc.com (David Cohen) writes:
> I have an earthquake pamphlet that says that if a power line falls on
> your car during a quake, not to worry.  You are safe in your car.
> What it doesn't say is when, if ever, you can get out of your car.
> Does anyone know?

Don't leave your car until rescue workers tell you it's safe.  The car is
up on rubber tires, so it is insulated from the ground.  Also, since it is
metal, the entire car will be brought to the same voltage as the power cable.
Thus, it is floating well above electrical ground.  You are floating as well.
If you attempt to leave, even by jumping, the entire current of the cable
will follow your body to the ground.  You will be crispy critter.  If your
car can still move, you might try driving it away from the cable.  Don't
risk leaving even if all the power appears to go out in the buildings and
whatever around you - that particular cable could still be live.


--
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Center for Seismic Studies
Arlington, VA
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From: helfman@aero.org (Robert S. Helfman)
Subject: Re: Running out of the building
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: ca
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 07:02:10 GMT

In article <Bt5nLL.GJv@well.sf.ca.us> casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton) writes:
>
>You know, it has been my observation that the *first* thing people are going
>to do is "leave the building".  That's what I did.  That's what my
>neighbors did.  That's what everyone's who's posted here did.  And from
>hearing their stories, that's what people in SoCal did, too.  We didn't
>know this until we experienced it ourselves, but wanting *out* of the
>building seems like a natural response.
>What do you think?

I think that the great majority of these folks who headed out of their
respective buildings didn't grow up here.

I was born here in 1938 (yes, there are a few of us who didn't schlep our
way here from somewhere else). The Landers quake was the second strongest
I have ever felt (Tehachapi, 1952 or 1953, was 7.7 and only slightly
farther away). In all the quakes I have experienced - Tehachapi,
Sylmar, Whittier [I was driving and hardly noticed it], Landers, 
Big Bear - I have never had the slightest inclination to run outside. 
It was always a matter of jumping out of bed, leaping for a strong
interior wall, and holding on while standing there in my birthday suit,
chanting "Oh Shit, all right already, enough is enough".

In the couple of 5-ish quakes which have hit while at the office,
I made a very rapid slide out of my chair and under my desk while
listening to the ceiling tiles dance around in the T-bar frame.

All the natives in my office (myself included, I have to admit),
get a real hoot out of watching the recent arrivals freak out during quakes.  
They seem to adapt after the first couple of events, finally settling
down into an apparent (or well-feigned) non-chalance. 

This is the same non-chalance which is de rigeur in L.A. when encountering a
celebrity at the supermarket or dry cleaners or liquor store - one
cannot allow oneself to be seen gushing or showing ANY obvious reaction
to a celebrity presence. I remember distinctly being chastised by my
(aspiringly) sophisticated 14-year old sister (when I was 8) for getting
all excited when I saw Bing Crosby sitting in his convertible waiting for
the light while we sat at a bus stop at Fairfax and Melrose!.
From: jimb@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jim Barrera)
Subject: Re: Power LInes
Summary: Jump out safely or drive away
Newsgroups: ca.earthquakes
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:16:24 GMT

Wilson Heydt <whheydt@PacBell.COM> writes:
> iccsap020@spacm1.spac.spc.com (David Cohen) writes:
>>  I have an earthquake pamphlet that says that if a power line falls on
>>  your car during a quake, not to worry.  You are safe in your car.
>>  What it doesn't say is when, if ever, you can get out of your car.
>>  Does anyone know?
>
> When the power on the line is shut off.  (You'll know when the utility
> crews *tell* you it's been shut off.  If you're *really* paranoid
> about it--ask *them* to touch your car first . . .)

If you're the agile type, and there's nobody around to help,
i suppose you could carefully *jump* clear of the vehicle - so 
that no part of your body is touching the car and the ground 
at the same time. 

Of course, you could always first try to *drive* away from the 
power line if your car is not damaged.  But i guess that this
isn't the first thing people think of; instead they want to get
out and check the damage.

`jimb