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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Negro Leagues (WAS Re: J. Gonzales All-time HR King)
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:31:14 GMT
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology


In article <2SEP199214063717@mitme5.mit.edu> kettler@mitme5.mit.edu (KETTLER,  
THOMAS R.) writes:
> In article <1992Sep2.150419.29270@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>,  
timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin)   writes...
> Well, all of you are forgetting Josh Gibson. He hit 800 home runs in the  
Negro 
> Leagues. It had many better players than those who were in the majors at  
the 
> same time including Satchel Paige, Cool Papa Bell, himself, etc. If any of  
you 
> feel that the Negro Leagues shouldn't count, then you and I disagree since 
> practically all Negro League players could have played in the majors if it 
> weren't for racist owners at that time.

How do you know that he hit 800 HRs in the Negro Leagues?
The guys who've actually gone back and counted them have 
found less than 200. They also found more for Mule Suttles
and Turkey Stearnes (sp?) than for Gibson.

john rickert
rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Gold Glove at short (was Re: simulation games)
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:35:40 GMT

In article <9208251853.AA01317@sumac09.cray.com> jjd@TEAK.CRAY.COM (Jeff Drummond) writes:
>References: <1992Aug25.055800.12553@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Aug25.152943.7369@trentu.ca> <1992Aug25.175229.26930@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
>
>In article <1992Aug25.175229.26930@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> csquared@coos.dartmouth.edu (C Squared) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug25.152943.7369@trentu.ca> pyacm@trentu.ca (A Colin Morton) writes:
>>>Manny Lee, the most underrated shortstop in the game?
>>>
>>Greg Gagne.
>
>Underrated defensively, perhaps.  But as far as the name of this thread is
>concerned, Gagne doesn't hit well enough to qualify.
>
>The Gold Glove is awarded primarily on the player's production at the
>plate (pitchers excepted).  Any similarities with a Defensive Award are
>purely coincidental.

Well, looks like Thomas has the 1st baseman's GG locked up in the AL. And of 
course, Fryman's a lock over Ripken at short. BTW, what is Boggs doing with
all the GGs he's won?

In any event, while batting stats will HELP if candidates are close, reputation
plays a much larger role; batting stats can fall off, but the same guy wins
a Gold Glove (Still, if hitting has much to do with it, what's Gary Pettis
doing with a couple of GGs?).

Mike

-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do. 
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From: stanm@comm.mot.com (Stan Macasieb)
Subject: NL Schedule 1993
Reply-To: stanm@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:34:31 GMT

The National League schedule will be established with the Cubs and Cardinals
remaining in the East Division for 1993. This is due to the lawsuit Cubs
management brought against the Commisioner's Office blocking his league
realignment order that would've sent the Cubs and Cards to the West and the
Reds and Braves East, and to pressure from the Players' Association that
demanded a league schedule for 1993 on time.

And now, back to real baseball...


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--Stan Macasieb (stanm@comm.mot.com)              | Jim Bullinger,
--Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector           |   Cubs MVP, 1992
--Schaumburg, IL (just another suburb of Chicago) | 
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~~The opinion expressed in this post is not       |  "You got a problem
~~necessarily those of this corporation.          |   with that?" 
~~Copyright 1992, all rights reserved.            |   -- Roger Clemens
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From: paula@koufax.cv.hp.com (Paul Andresen)
Subject: The Owners Never Learn
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 20:27:57 GMT

Amidst all the hullabaloo (now *there's* a word that's missing from my 
dictionary) of the Canseco and Cone trades, I'm wondering and worrying
about the latest events in the owner stupidity derby.  It's becoming
increasingly clear that the owners are hell-bent on having yet another
confrontation (read lockout/strike) with the players over matters financial.

Although I'm hardly a member of the Fay Vincent Fan Club, I'm having trouble
figuring out just what the hell the owner's beef is, other than the fact 
that Fay is not properly acting as the owner's subservient lackey. They seem
to want to avoid any and all possibility that he might intervene in a labor
dispute and effect some sort of compromise "in the best interests of baseball".

It appears that the owners have not learned a damned thing from their past
indiscretions; they lose every single time. I've read/heard (don't remember
specifically where) people like the ever-wonderful Jerry Reinsdorf talking 
darkly about a year or two hiatus from baseball, "if that's what it takes"

Does anyone else share my paranoia? It will be mighty interesting to see what
comes out of this lynching party scheduled for this Thursday.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: Hideous Red Sox Offensive Stats
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 21:17:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.200721.7134@midway.uchicago.edu>, mard@quads.uchicago.edu (Adrian N. Marden) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug28.194223.8003@osf.org> ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:
|> >In article <5532@transfer.stratus.com>, dswartz@sw.stratus.com (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:
|> >|> Before a recent game, the TV announcer put up a set of offensive stats
|> >|> for the Red Sux which showed them dead last in every offensive category
|> >|> except for home runs, in which they were 13th.
|> >
|> >  That's not true! They're FIRST in the majors with SEVEN Grand Slams!!
|> >
|> >-Ron
|> 
|> Which, of course, could be taken as an indicator of their poor offense, since 
|> they get the bases loaded so often with walks and dinky-ass singles instead
|> of X-base hits.

  Naw - they just are very, very, lucky to get that many slams this year!

|> See Valentine's post for more details. And, incidentally, you

  I can't find it!


|> would think that what I just said might be true, considering the fact that
|> the Red Sox really SUCK offensively, yet they lead the league in Grand Slams.
|> Unless you care to argue that the Red Sox have a GOOD offense...

  Naw - I do agree the Sox suck on offense, but that isn't why they lead the
  league in Grand Slams. Just like a poor defensive team could quite easilly
  lead the league in triple plays - these plays are a matter of luck.

-Ron
From: 00bjgood@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cubs Protected 15?????
Date: 2 Sep 92 23:34:00 GMT


> Dascenzo and Sanchez probably won't be protected.  Maddux is almost definetely
> headed to free agency, so who is left?
> 
> I'd say Derrick May, Fernando Ramsey (what bonehead decided to bring him up?!?!)
> and.. and... well, your guess is good as mine, maybe Sanchez or Buechele.

These should be the 15 (not counting Dawson or Maddux because of impending free
agency.

1. Ryne Sandberg
2. Mark Grace
3. Shawon Dunston
4. Mike Morgan
5. Frank Castillo
6. Sammy Sosa
7. Rick Wilkins
8. Steve Buschele
9. Mike Harkey
10.Derrick May
11.Shawn Boskie
12.Joe Girardi
13.Bob Scanlan
14.Rey Sanchez
15.Doug Dacenzo

Now I'm not sure if minor leaguers can be protected or not, if so the Cubs may
protect Doug Glanville among others. 
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From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Kreuger trade & a though on Witt
Date: 1 Sep 1992 14:34:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     Didn't think I could get here between classes and scoop anyone, but
you've missed the Kreuger-to-Montreal trade the Twins made.  It wasn't as
big, probably, as the Orioles' one, let alone the real biggie of the season.
     Now, my thought on my the Athletics got Witt as well.  Well, 2, actually.
Number one, as part of their rebuilding project, keeping only a few free
agents, everyone should remember a fellow named Dave Stewart they picked up
in '86 off the scrap heap.  I imagine Larussa figures that could happen again
with Bobby Witt suddenly finding himself.
     My second is, suppose they're not re-signing Eck.  Couldn't they just
send Witt to the Instructional League, teach him to go with just the fastball
and one other pitch, and turn him into Goose Gossage II. (Goose from his
days with the Yanks, not now.)  Maybe Witt's control will be better when he
doesn't try to overthrow, but just goes out for an inning every time, like
Eckersley did.  Would Larussa and Alderson have been thinking that?
     It's gonna be a great series between the last-hurrah A's and the Braves. 
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu      :    "Every baby born into the world is
Real home: Canton, Ohio             :  finer than the last."--Charles Dickens
 Trying to follow in the path of our :     "A baby is an inestimable
Lord;anything close will be a success:  blessing and bother."--Mark Twain
From: bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: roy NL
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:21:06 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
Distribution: na
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article <1992Sep2.210101.10900@cs.tulane.edu>, eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (Dave Bonar) writes:
|> Brian Williams has looked
|> good but with only 13 starts right now I can't see giving him RoY.  If
|> a pitcher gets around 20+ starts I'd consider him.

If we are going to give it to a pitcher, what is wrong with Donovan
Osborne.  Given the entire season, he has looked the best of the
NL rookie pitchers.  I admit that I am a little more than biased but
someone tell me where I am wrong.

-- 
Bob Netherton                        | You see the signs, they're always there
Sun Microsystems                     | But you know you never care
Dallas, Tx                           | You are always looking for another reason
bob.netherton@central.Sun.COM        | ==== Hawkwind, Paradox
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From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets)
Subject: Re: Cal Ripken Signed
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 10:48:22 GMT

In article <25AUG199212371916@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:
>In article <24027@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, link@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Link) writes...
>>At the opening of tonight's game against the Angels, Rex Barney, the
>>Camden Yards announcer delivered the news to all that Cal and the Orioles
>>have agreed to a five year $30.5M contract.  No details on the particulars
>>were given.
>
>The contract breakdown is as follows:
>
>Signing Bonus: $ 3,000,000
>1993 Salary:   $ 4,500,000
>1994 Salary:   $ 4,800,000
>1995 Salary:   $ 6,000,000
>1996 Salary:   $ 6,000,000
>1997 Salary:   $ 6,200,000  (!)
>               -----------
>               $30,500,000
>
>In addition, there is a clause in the contract which will pay Cal
>$2,000,000 after he retires, as a salary for four years of unspecified

  GOOD GOD!!!
deserves money like this.  My only hope is that ridiculous contracts
like this don't kill the game of baseball.

RStimets
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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: Jose Canseco to Texas...
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 12:48:19 GMT

In article <24378@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Kevin Day) writes:
>
>  Sierra for Canseco doesn't surprise me. What surprises me is Jeff
>Russell being thrown in the deal. Is Russell a free agent this year
>(I think he is)?

Yes, both Russell and Sierra are free agents.  Witt and Canseco are
not.  I believe that after the most recent salary inflation, Sierra
will get paid *more* than Canseco.  And, IMHO, Canseco is the better
player.

Oakland helped their cause this year, but the future looks very grim.
Or will they try to win it all this year and then entirely dismantle
the team?  Let *everybody* go?  Trade Rickey and Eck for prospects?
Given the number of free agents they have, that certainly looks like a
possibility.  It would be a gutsy move, but with the draft picks they
would receive, they could dominate the 1993 draft.  And I think
Alderson has both the guts and the brains to make this work.

Cheers,
-Valentine
-- 
Clemens may not win his 4th CY, but he still rules!	tedward@cs.cornell.edu
From: ehlerswm@hackney.ecn.purdue.edu (William Mark Ehlers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Jose Canseco in Texas
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:15:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Well I've been reading on the net about the Texas/Oakland trade.  Nobody has
answered my one question.  That being about something that I heard on ESPN 
this morning: They stated something to the affect that since Jose is in the 
middle of his contract, he can demand that the Rangers trade him and if they
don't he has the option of becoming a free agent.  Is this true and if so how
does that process work.

If the above is true, this trade doesn't seem to really benefit either team 
for the future because you can probably figure that Jose will demand a trade 
just so he could take a chance to become a free agent.

thanks,
				---Mark
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: The Monthly Cecil Fielder Thread
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:38:34 GMT

In article <55967@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:

>But you're assuming that Cecil's HR and RBI totals are a meaningful indicator
>of his run producing ability. How do you know? For all you know, every home
>run he hit this year was off a rookie or a washed up veteran, and each ball
>just barely cleared the fence (an extreme exaggeration to point out how
>silly you're being).
>
>Sure we don't know, but considering they play in the same league and face
>the same teams, its reasonable to assume they're facing the same pitchers
>and that one guy is NOT getting a steady diet of weak pitchers while Fielder
>hit against Clemens and Guzman every at bat.

Uh, we DO know that the Tigers do not get to hit against the Tigers' pitching
staff.

>>	True, but again, who's currently leading in RBIs? Unless my Sunday
>>	paper had a typo, Fielder was the only ML player currently with more
>>	than 100 RBI.
>
>Put Canseco in cecil's spot in the order and he would have a similar total
>if not more even with his injury problems. The Tigers hitting in front of
>Cecil get on base A LOT.

Actually, so does Henderson, Blankenship, etc. Actually, the A's team OBP is
about 10 points higer than Detroits. BTW, Gladden (another net favorite)
has spent considerable time in the #2 spot this year. Fryman has been the #3
man most of the year, and his OBP is only ~10 points higher than Fielder's.

> Cecil leads the league in RBI's because he leads the league in RBI 
> opportunities.

People keep saying this. They say it about last year. In fact, Cecil was #6
in RBI opportunities last year (RISP). Suppose you post some RISP stats
for this year.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do.
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: AL-pennant race.
Date: 4 Sep 92 16:25:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <4SEP199212102684@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu> hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce M Hasch) writes:
>I think the tearing you hear is that of Sandy Alderson tearing apart his
>franchise...


I guess it depends, if they sign Sierra, and turn Witt around it and 
make good use of the picks they get for Russell,and hold onto their lead
this year then its ok, but right now it does look like a great deal
for Texas and a real question mark for the A's.

Of course there's nothing wrong with 4 1st round picks(if they loser
Sierra and Russell)if you choose correctly.

Witness what St. Louis did when they lost Pendleton, McGee and Coleman
and got the picks.

Dmitri Young  A Ball Midwest league .311 30=doubles,12 HR decent BB 18yrs old
Allen Watson AA Texas League 7-5 2.12ERA 83 IP 63H 20BB 82K LHP Was as good
in A ball before being promoted, 21-22 years old
Brian Barber  A Ball FSL 11-7 ~3.2 ERA good K/IP getting better all year
and only 18-19 years old

Dan Cholowsky also had a good year, Eddie Williams struggled but is onlu
19 and has great skills.

If the A's get as many picks and do as well as the Cards did, they will
really strengthen their system which they need to do. BTW in my last post
about the A's prospects, I left off Scott Lydy and Mike Neill both OF
with great averages and walks but little power and average speed. Neill
is in A ball, Lydy in AA.

As an A's fan I don't like the trade because they made it knowing they
wouldn't get Sierra right away and with McGwire already out they are
taking a real risk of blowing the lead. Rickey is limping and wincing
every time you see him on the field so either he's still hurting, or
he's unhappy about something, so its real unclear where the offense
will come from until Sierra and McGwire are playing.




Russ Smith
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From: gerry@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Gerry Myerson)
Subject: A first on rsb? (was, Re: Why aren't there more baseball player actors?
Organization: CeNTRe for Number Theory Research
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 06:46:58 GMT

In article <31AUG92.14181014@vax.clarku.edu>, hhenderson@vax.clarku.edu writes:
[...]
> A sportswriter friend of mine [...]

I can't recall anyone on rsb admitting to having a sportswriter as a friend...

> Heather
> Jack Clark University (until he takes off for Calif.)
> HHENDERSON@vax.clarku.edu

GM
From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Boggs Toronto bound?
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:57:53 GMT
Organization: Boo!

In <1992Aug29.101856.16404@dvorak.amd.com> twhite@mozart.amd.com (Tom White) writes:

>In article <1992Aug27.195247.18945@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> sfh@po.CWRU.Edu (Steven F. Hubbard) writes:
>>In a previous article, zelek@remus.rutgers.edu (Grey Wolf) says:
>>>August 11th, Boggs is hitting around .236 AT Fenway and .307 on the road.
>>>Know something?  Boggs usually hit around .305-.310 on the road and .340-.360
>>>at Fenway.  Usually.  Know why the change?  The 500 club addition built onto
>>>Fenway behind home plate two seasons ago.  
>>>
>>
>>   This makes no sense to me.  Why does an addition to the stadium cause Boggs
>>to hit a hundred points lower than he used to?  Did it affect him last season?

>   It's been demonstrated on models that the new 600 Club that was
>added to Fenway before the 1989 season has redirected the general 
>wind currents through the park, such that fly balls, instead of carrying
>and falling into or over the Monster, now drop faster, resulting in more
>catches.  Boggs loves to hit toward the wall and this no doubt has
>been hurting him.

The problem with this theory is that it would have had to affect Boggs in
1989-91.  Now let's look at some of Boggs' stats:

          Doubles   Average
'89 Home     37      .377 
'89 Away     14      .287

'90 Home     30      .359
'90 Away     14      .245

'91 Home     28      .389
'91 Away     14      .282

Whatever it is (if anything) that has hurt Boggs at Fenway this year, it
doesn't seem very likely that it's changes made to the park before 1989.

Greg 
-- 
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Whitestone NY 11357          (Insert your favorite baseball moment here)
From: epstein@sparc3.cs.uiuc.edu (Milt Epstein)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: CY, MVP, ROY
Date: 31 Aug 92 19:17:21 GMT
Reply-To: epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In <1992Aug31.152101.7480@osf.org> ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:

[I'm not sure of the rest of the attributions.]

>In article <1992Aug29.025852.725@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>
>|> If Sheffield gets the Triple Crown, I don't see how he can't
>|> get MVP (nobody named Dimaggio to hit in 50+ consecutive games and get the big
>|> press...).
>|> 
>
>  Williams did NOT get the Triple the year DiMag hit in his 56 consecutive
>  games. He did get the triple twice - one being the year AFTER DiMaggio's
>  streak - '42.

Didn't he bat over .400 the year DiMaggio had his streak? (.406, I
think.)

-- 
Milt Epstein
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois
epstein@cs.uiuc.edu
From: mspede@atlas.nafb.trw.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Major Award Votes
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:08:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: atlas.1239.2aa73582

In article <1992Sep3.233718.17860@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
> In article <5442@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> genetic+@pitt.edu (Dr. Dave) writes:
>>Here's Dr. Dave's all-miserable teams for the year so far.  To be eligible, a
>>player must have either 250 plate appearances or 50 starts.
>>
>>American League:
>>
>>	C	Junior Ortiz		A whopping .558 OPS, ERA of 4.58 
> I nominate Tony Pena......
>>	1B	Pete O'Brien		.639 OPS, 268 outs in 110 games!
> I nominate Mo Vaughn. .....
>>	2B	Steve Sax		.608 OPS, atrocious range
> Jody Reed has earned this one...
>>	3B	Scott Livingstone	Kelly Gruber a close second
> Wade Boggs...
>>	SS	Gary DiSarcina		...and it ain't even close
> Luis Rivera...
>>	LF	Greenwell/Winningham combo; Carreon is worst individual
> How about Plantier?...
>>	CF	Brian McRae, Milt Cuyler (tie)
> No, Herm Winningham deserves this one.
>>	RF	Gary Thurman		Pasqua and Eisenreich
> I nominate Tom Brunansky....
>>	DH	Randy Bush
> Come on!  Jack Clark wins this one hands down!....


  Anyone get the idea that Valentine's having a bad year ?

  Can you imagine what he is like at 6:30 in the morning while reading the
  morning (mourning?) paper...  :-)

 Mark Pede
From: z_copeab@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: CY, MVP, ROY
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:10:45 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Aug30.232355.8300@seq.uncwil.edu>, cosper@seq.uncwil.edu (Kit Cosper) writes:
> rlopez@loanstar.tamu.edu (Robert Lopez) writes:
> 
>>National League
>>---------------
> 
>>ROY
>>Help again...Karros is a candidate.  There are others, but I can't
>>seem to pull names right now.  Cianfrocco is fading/has faded.
> 
>>I'm interested in hearing people opine away.
> 
> 	The only other name that hits me quickly is Reggie Sanders, I
> 	haven't seen him play much, but what I have seen has been 
> 	impressive.  I'd be pleased with either Karros or Sanders, 
> 	They are both excellent players.
> 
> 	Oh, as a longshot, Delino DeSheilds.

	It would really be a longshot, since he isn't a rookie. :-)

Brandon Cope