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From: msb@cats.ucsc.edu (Maurice S. Barnum)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Talk VMS to UNIX ?
Date: 16 Nov 1992 00:46:33 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: mingong-ws-1.ucsc.edu



craig@ec.uwa.oz.au (Craig Richmond - division) writes:

>mccalld@vax.sonoma.edu writes:

>>Greetings:

>>I'm running VMS on my VAX and am trying to 'TALK' to another user via the
>>NET who is running some kind of UNIX on a 
>>Sun.    I type 'talk username@host.name.edu'..
>>The system comes back and says "Checking for an invitation on callers machine"
>>What does this mean??
>>thanks ahead of time
>>mccalld@sonoma.edu

[ ... stuff from craig@ec deleted ... ]
>Sun due to a tight workload failed to get their version of talk to talk to
>the old and the new so consequently to maintain similarity across machines
>failed to produce a 4.3 compatible version.

>All you need to know is that talk is a thing from satan, misbehaves in
>every concievable way and is just waiing to be replaced by something a
>little more sane.  Run an IRC and talk to each other that way.  It is multi
>user and uses far more standardised protocols.


Since some people happen to like talk a lot better than IRC for most
things, there's another solution:  grab the "ytalk" source (check archie)
and compile that.  Ytalk handles either talk daemon just fine, and
compiles fine on machines running SunOS and Ultrix.

-----
Maurice S. Barnum
msb@cats.ucsc.edu
msb@cats.BITNET
mbarnum@nyx.cs.du.edu
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From: Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.sgi,comp.graphics
Subject: Re: Interactive vs Background users
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:42:57 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world
  <1dsninINN2ur@fido.asd.sgi.com>

I can't resist.

The intelligent solution would have been to have used a VAX/VMS system in
the first place; we do, and we use them in the manner you describe, and 
there's no problem whatsoever.  Can you say "process scheduling done RIGHT?"
I knew you could.  :-) :-) :-)
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From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.sgi,comp.graphics
Subject: Re: Interactive vs Background users
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:36:40 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA

In <69697@cup.portal.com> Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com writes:
| The intelligent solution would have been to have used a VAX/VMS system in
| the first place; we do, and we use them in the manner you describe, and 
| there's no problem whatsoever.  Can you say "process scheduling done RIGHT?"
| I knew you could.  :-) :-) :-)

Show me a system where scheduling is done 'right', and I'll show you
hundreds of people who disagree.  There is no such thing as the right
way to schedule jobs.  It is better to provide the flexibility to
let people do it they way they want.  (I recognize the tongue in cheek
answer, but still, too many people believe that there really is a right
way to do it).
--
Let no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson
because whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.
    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com
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From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.sys.sun.wanted,comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: how much memory do i have??
Date: 20 Nov 92 07:56:45 GMT
Followup-To: comp.unix.misc
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara


 >how about the down and dirty:
 >
 ># wc -c /dev/mem
 >
 >  Works for me, although it does take a while...

Doesn't work for everybody, for reasons detailed in the FAQ (hint: are
you *really* certain that physical memory is contiguous?).
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 11:34:20 EST
From: <SFC104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: software needed


Hello
I wasn't sure were to post this so I posted this here.  I need
a 'zoo' program to uncompress some files I've recieved.  For
some reason our Unix system doesn't have it.  Can someone either
direct me to an FTP site or send me a copy.

mail: brian@opus.chem.psu

Thanks
BT
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.sgi,comp.graphics
From: ercolessi@uimrl3.mrl.uiuc.edu (furio ercolessi)
Subject: Re: Interactive vs Background users
Reply-To: ercolessi@uimrl3.mrl.uiuc.edu (furio ercolessi)
Organization: MRL - UIUC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:58:27 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.143104.6301@discus.technion.ac.il>, ori@marvin.technion.ac.il (Ori Degani)
writes:
|>In article <1992Nov13.042252.11811@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au>, anthony@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au (Anthony
|>Thyssen) writes:
|>|> aps583@huxley.anu.edu.au (Anthony P Scott) writes:
|>|> |  The problem is that they are only used
|>|> | for a small part of the day and certainly not at night. WE wish to
|>|> | soak up the excess CPU cycles by running GAUSSIAN and other cpu
|>|> | intensive programs in the background.
|>|> |
|>|> | Unfortunately when an interactive user comes along the terminal response
|>|> | is terrible, they get  upset and we are forced to kill the background
|>|> | proccess.
|>|> |
|>|> If you nice the background process (heavly) you will find that the
|>|> backgroud program only runs when no other process is available.
|>|> 
|>|> IE: instead for running
|>|> 
|>|>       gaussian &
|>|> 
|>|> run
|>|> 
|>|>      nice -15 gaussian &
|>|> 
|>
|>  Doesn't this make priority very HIGH?!
|>
|>|> 
|>|> This puts the programs prioity very low. so if the machine is not busy
|>|> it will get run otherwise it will wait until the cpu is free.

to make life interesting, nice has different syntaxes depending on the 
shell invoking it.  probably, Anthony Thyssen is using sh or a derivative, 
while Ori Degani is using csh or a derivative.

However, nice is quite useless for this kind of problems.  The problem
is that as soon as the machine has nothing to do, it resumes work
on gaussian, and "nothing to do" is defined on a time scale too fast
for humans.  So for example, between one keystroke and the next.

SGI users are particularly lucky to have the 'npri' command which
allows to define the time slice, which is the critical parameter.   
--
Furio Ercolessi
Materials Research Laboratory           |   Intl School for Advanced Studies
Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign   |   Trieste, Italy
furio@uiuc.edu                          |   furio@sissa.it
From: leisner@wrc.xerox.com ( Marty Leisner)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
Subject: Profiling/timing subroutines
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:32:31 GMT
Reply-To: leisner@eso.mc.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]

I'm using SunOS 4.1.2 (with most of the gnu stuff available).

I'm not experienced with profiling...I looked a gprof...and the man pages it should tell me
how much time I spend in subroutines.

I'm working with a custom board/driver where IOCTLs can take several seconds to execute (the
IOCTLs may take transfer 15Mbytes via DMA).

Doing GNUtime -v:
Summary statistics:
        Command being timed: "a.out"

        User time (seconds): 4.99
        System time (seconds): 1.26
        Percent of CPU this job got: 64%
        Elapsed (wall clock) time (h:mm:ss or m:ss): 0:09.75

Doing gprof a.out gmon.out:
Each sample counts as 0.01 seconds.
  %   cumulative   self              self     total           
 time   seconds   seconds    calls  ms/call  ms/call  name    
 94.60      4.72     4.72        1  4720.39  4990.41  main
  5.21      4.98     0.26        1   260.02   260.02  bzero
  0.20      4.99     0.01        1    10.00    10.00  mmap
  0.00      4.99     0.00        3     0.00     0.00  open
  0.00      4.99     0.00        2     0.00     0.00  ioctl
  0.00      4.99     0.00        2     0.00     0.00  realloc
  0.00      4.99     0.00        2     0.00     0.00  sbrk
  0.00      4.99     0.00        2     0.00     0.00  strlen
  0.00      4.99     0.00        1     0.00     0.00  exit
  0.00      4.99     0.00        1     0.00     0.00  free
  0.00      4.99     0.00        1     0.00     0.00  getpagesize
  0.00      4.99     0.00        1     0.00     0.00  malloc
  0.00      4.99     0.00        1     0.00     0.00  on_exit
  0.00      4.99     0.00        1     0.00     0.00  profil
  0.00      4.99     0.00        1     0.00     0.00  sprintf

 %         the percentage of the total running time of the


My bzero profiled pretty well, by my ioctls are profiled...also, my time for main is just user
time, I want to be able to understand user+sys time, and wall clock time...

I also looked at prof...I only see if I develop other routines to do the ioctls I can time
(but this looks kludgey...

Is there a good way to do this?



--
marty
leisner.henr801c@xerox.com  leisner@eso.mc.xerox.com
Member of the League for Programming Freedom
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: ajc@mcm.com (Alan Carpenter)
Subject: network modem comm package
Reply-To: ajc@mcm.com ()
Organization: Mellon Capital Management Corp., San Francisco
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 22:24:09 GMT

I'm looking for a communications package that has 
1) scripting capabilities, i.e., able to run non-interactively
2) works over networked modems (hung off a terminal server)
3) handles multiple transfer protocols (xmodem,kermit,capture)

kermit 5a does #1 and #2. It can work in "capture" mode too.

I need to use xmodem since that is the only protocol GE Information
Services (GEIS) supports.

With tip I can just ~C xmodem -crb
to get what I want except that I need a direct connect modem.

Does anyone know of a Crosstalk- or Procomm-like program that
works over networked modems?

Please send e-mail and I will summarize.

Thanks,
-- 
Alan Carpenter
Mellon Captial Management Corp.
ajc@mcm.com
415-267-1222
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.sys.sgi,comp.graphics
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Interactive vs Background users
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:35:00 GMT

In <1992Nov15.143104.6301@discus.technion.ac.il> ori@marvin.technion.ac.il (Ori Degani) writes:
>|> 
>|>      nice -15 gaussian &
>|> 

>  Doesn't this make priority very HIGH?!

Depends on what 'nice' command you use :) BTW, an ordinary user can never
increase the priority.

As to the original problem, there are situations where even a nice doesn't
help. F.e. if your background job competes for system resources other than
CPU time like virtual memory and I/O bandwidth or if it uses some server
process that isn't 'nice'd.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
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Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: senthils@netcom.com (Senthil Sankarappan)
Subject: 'AWK' to 'C' conversion program
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:02:03 GMT


     is there a program available in the market which will convert the
"awk" script into "c" code?

    or is there "awk compiler" available?

    if there is no "awk compiler", can anybody explain me what is the
theoretical difficulty in having a "awk compiler"?

    please e-mail to me.

thanks in advance,
vs senthilkumar
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.questions
From: clark@gopher.Stanford.EDU (Clark Burdick)
Subject: Re: using the floppy drive on a sparcstation?
Organization: ^
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 16:35:51 GMT

In article <1edm11INNoom@mozz.unh.edu> sch@nymph.msel.unh.edu (Shane Hutchins aka Xenos) writes:
>I'd like allow users to transfer files from the floppy drive on our
>Sun4 SPARCstation IPCs to their account.         (/dev/fd0)
>
>Unfortunately, it requires root permissions to mount the thing.
>
>Is there some freeware out there that will allow a user to mount /pcfs
>and eject (ie use the damn floppy drive) without root access.
>
>Thanks for your help...
>-- 
>  -Shane C Hutchins
>     sch@unh.edu


The program usermount is available from guardian.cs.psu.edu in the
directory /pub/src for anonymous ftp. This program is very easy to install
and allows users to mount floppy disks and cd-roms without root access.

Hope this helps,
Clark Burdick
Newsgroups: comp.unix.misc
From: evans@zk3.dec.com (Marc Evans)
Subject: Re: Programs to create and apply binary patches?
Reply-To: evans@zk3.dec.com
Organization: Synergytics
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:38:23 GMT

>Any great ideas on how to create a "patch" file of differences between
>two versions of a very large *binary* file (executable) so the patch
>file could be distributed (via modem) and applied to the many copies
>of the old version of the file?

A technique that I have used is to convert the binary file(s) to ascii, use
"diff -c" and then patch as normal. Here is an example:

	uuencode prog.ascii <prog >prog.ascii
	uuencode newprog.ascii <newprog >newprog.ascii
	diff -c prog.ascii newprog.ascii >prog.patch
	Mail -s "prog.patch" user@domain <prog.patch
	[...]
	uuencode prog.ascii <prog >prog.ascii
	patch -s <prog.patch
	mv prog prog.orig
	uudecode prog.ascii

The theory is that if the changes were *small*, not much of the binary
will be changed (assuming it is a program). Of course, things like timestamps
may get in the way a bit here, but usually to too badly (from experience).

- Marc

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.16bit
From: mucci@circle.cs.jhu.edu (Philip Mucci)
Subject: Opinions on/Prices of SunSoft's Interactive Unix wanted...
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:09:44 GMT

	Hello,

	Does anyone out there in the pc/unix land own SunSoft's Interactive
Unix package? I would love a review. Thanks!

	-Phil

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From: mbarkah@slate.mines.colorado.edu (Ade Barkah)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: PC-Clone UNIX Hardware Buyer's Guide
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:16:01 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:
: In article esr@snark.thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) writes:
: >What's new in this issue:
: >  * The 386 is history.
: 
: So, to recap:
: 
: The 386 is dead because the 486SX has been priced to beat it.  But
: don't buy a 486SX because it's a piece of shit.  Where on earth is
: that supposed to leave you?

i486DX at 66MHz, of course. And don't forget EISA and SCSI-2.


-Ade.
-- 
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CompuServe: 74160,3404
From: csthomas@gizmonic.UUCP (shane thomas)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Re: 386/33 DX machine: what unix options do I have
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 10:35:07 EST
Reply-To: csthomas@gizmonic.UUCP (shane thomas)
Distribution: na
Organization: FiFi's Taco Stand

seetha@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Seetha Ayyalasomayajula) writes:

~ folks,
~ I have just bought a 386 machine and would like to run unix (i hate
~ using dos). I considered SysV R4.2 but can't afford the $350 price
~ tag? I don't care if the unix flavor is berkeley orSysV but would
~ like the option of running dos applications under the unix OS.
~ 
A fast (33+) 386 with or without a 387 would be more than adequate to
run LINUX, a free almost-POSIX unix. It is great, and is developing
at an astounding rate. The standard distribution (which is available
from many FTP or BBS sources) comes with the standard stuff - uucp,
gcc, elm - and even has X!  My linux system was just getting good
when the drive I has it installed on (LINUX co-resides w/DOS, BTW)
crashed and burned. So, until I get my new HD & motherboard, I'm SOL
(shit outta linux).

Give 'er a try!

shane

---
bm155@cleveland.freenet.edu {uucp:rutgers!devon!gizmonic!csthomas}
"Remember, only you can prevent annoying resource-consuming .sigs"
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.os.linux,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: 486SXs as Unix Iron?
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:01:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.223245.5045@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
> I always love it when people tell me what I 'apparently' think; mostly
> because they're invariably so laughably wrong.

Fred, I can flame with the best of them. If you like to flame about what you
think I said, go ahead. Do it without me. I'll make one more attempt to get
my point across, then I'll let you go it alone.

> If they hadn't started out this stupid little game of trying to kill
> competitors in the first place, they wouldn't have needed to set up a
> FAB line, PERIOD.

Since there is obviously a market for chips that are cheaper than the 486
and faster than the 386, would you have preferred that Intel stay out of
that market completely?
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:22:39 -0500 
From: David Reeve Sward <sward+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: LINUX ??

Excerpts from netnews.comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit: 23-Nov-92 LINUX ?? by
James Bond@hsr.no 
> What is this wounderful LINUX people are talking about ?
>  
> I've heard it is free. (wow)

You might want to check comp.os.linux for more info... and ftp to
pit-manager.mit.edu and get the FAQ in /pub/usenet/comp.os.linux

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.os.linux,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Re: 486SXs as Unix Iron?
From: nop@theory.Mankato.MSUS.EDU (Jay A. Carlson)
Date: 21 Nov 92 20:08:09
Reply-To: nop@theory.cs.mankato.msus.edu
 <id.81RU.CTA@ferranti.com><1992Nov11.204936.9751@mksol.dseg.ti.com> 
 <id.SGYU.X4L@ferranti.com><1992Nov16.223245.5045@mksol.dseg.ti.com><BxvnnD.A14
 @news.cso.uiuc.edu>       <1992Nov21.040933.236@gandalf.ca>
Organization: Mankato State University
In-reply-to: mramsell@gandalf.ca's message of Sat, 21 Nov 1992 04:09:33 GMTLines: 26

In article <1992Nov21.040933.236@gandalf.ca> mramsell@gandalf.ca (Mark Ramsell) writes:

   One final note.. Watch out for the systems that let you expand your 486sx cpu.
   This requires you to put a whole new processor in.  Why didn't you just
   purchase the better processor in the first place?  

Because we see that the 486SX prices are reasonable now, and we
anticipate that 486DX prices will fall in the future to reasonable
prices. 

   And btw, you don't get to take the old processor out and sell it to
   recoupe the cost of the new one.  The old cpu ends up being a space
   heater.  What a _deal_.

Not in my system.  There's one CPU slot, and you can jumper select
which CPU you have installed.

   >The SX is a bargain, the 487DX is a rip-off.

   If you think so then buy it.  I'll buy the dx.

I bought the SX.  Please stop flaming about it, if you admit that
there are good reasons to buy 486SX systems.

Jay Carlson
nop@theory.cs.mankato.msus.edu
From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Re: 386/33 DX machine: what unix options do I have
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:04:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Nov15.210404.12056
Distribution: na
Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University

In article <1992Nov15.050620.1132@candle.uucp>, root@candle.uucp (Bruce Momjian) writes:
|> : 
|> : Try Linux (comp.os.linux) ...
|> : 
|> : 1. GNU C (the latest)
|> : 2. POSIX/ANSI compliant C library
|> : 3. TCP/IP
|> : 4. NFS
|> : 5. Shared library
|> : 6. Virtual memory
|> : 7. X11R5 (Xfree386)
|> : 
|> 
|> Where did linux come from?  I understand someone named Linus is
|> responsible for it, but how can one person write so much?  Gnu has been

Linus Benedict Torvalds (torvalds@kruuna.Helsinki.FI) is responsible for
the kernel. Hundreds, thousands of talented people all over the world
contribute to Linux. Linux is a very interesting project, considering it only
started around April, 1991.

|> working on this type of thing for years ( no insult intended).

Without GNU, there may not be Linux. The greatest unix replacement
stuff from GNU is used by Linux as default, from C compiler to `cp'. The
Linux C library, which I am responsible for, borrows heaviy from the GNU C
library and libg++.a. I view Linux as a project with GNU spirit. The Linux
kernel may be the last missing part of a complete (may not be the best)
GNU OS. FYI, the FSF is planning to distribute Linux.

|> 
|> I know there is a linux group, but I don't get it here, so if someone
|> wants to shoot me the FAQ, ok.
|> 

You can join the Linux mailing list.

H.J.
From: sjw@cs.umd.edu (Shuo-jen Wu)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Some Basic Questions
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:14:42 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

Hi ,

   I just installed the Consensys Unix  in my 386 PC. So I have some basic
Questions about my new system.
  1 : Where to get the software for pc unix ? I hope I can have LISP and TeX.
  2 : I hope I can logon to the computer on compus form my unix system. Should
      I have any special software ?
  3 : I don't have any laser or postscript printer.  All I have is NEC P5200.
      Is it possible that I can get some driver which made my printer work
      more than a line printer ?

Shuo-jen
From: davidsen@yeti.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
Subject: Re: PC-Clone UNIX Hardware Buyer's Guide
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:12:44 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)
Organization: GE Corporate R&D Center, Schenectady NY

In article <By5JtB.Eq3@unix.amherst.edu>, twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) writes:

| So, to recap:
| 
| The 386 is dead because the 486SX has been priced to beat it.  But
| don't buy a 486SX because it's a piece of shit.  Where on earth is
| that supposed to leave you?

  You can get a 486DX33 motherboard with 64k cache for <$500 by shopping
around. You can get a 386DX40 and Cyrix 387 for about $300. All the rest
is memory, disk and display. The $200 difference is usually <10% of the
system cost, so that's the obvious way to go.

  And I disagree with Eric, I think the SX makes a fine UNIX box, I
won't buy it because Intel screwed the consumer by not making it pin
compatible with the DX.

  AMD has shown their 486 and hopes to have the new microcode done soon.
That will let us buy from an alternate vendor, I hope.

  486 prices will take a big drop in 1994 when the P5 is available.
-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit
From: dharry@cyclone.rice.edu (Dennis Harry)
Subject: Sun 3/60 SIMMS in a PC?
Organization: Rice University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:17:08 GMT

Does anyone know if the memory I took out of a couple
of Suns (3/50 and 3/60) will work OK in a PC?  The size
of the SIMMS (in Mbytes) is compatible with the PC requirements,
but I wonder if the chips are fundamentally different.

-- Dennis Harry        |  dharry@rice.edu
   Research Associate  |
   Rice University     | 
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