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From: ckaplan@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Charles Kaplan)
Subject: Re: Who mattered in Yes
Summary: Yes bootlegs, and a published book!
Keywords: Kaye, Squire
Organization: Northeastern University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:22:09 GMT

	While I haven't seen this authorised biography, I most
certaionally would love to, I condsider myself quite a Yes collecter,
(as I am sure many of you out-there do).

	I have a Union bootleg from one of the CA shows, and they are
many out there...

	I would love to see everyone postup there Yes collections, and
possible sources, I have found about 50 live shows/radio broadcasts, all
on CD, but most of them are running $30 to $75 bucks a piece, and as
such I only have the standard 12 albums, and a half dozen of the
imports.

	Goldmine magazine is a great source of these albums, but I would
love to swap tapes with anyone interested.  

	I also have a descent collection of the Wakeman imports, which I
might add only half of them were worth the money...

	I even have two Rodger Dean autographed prints...they look nice,
and my one other friend who likes YES recognises who they are by....

	Perhaps some of the best stuff I picked up right after they
played the Spectrum in PA on the UNION tour, I was invited to an
unpluged session the next night (I think it was the row 1 tix that go
the invites...) anyway, a couple of venders showd up with some of the
Paris tapes, and other live shows, including some earlier Union shows,
and videos.......(This was still at the time when Rick Wakeman was
saying how the whole world had a copy of the Paris tapes but him, and I
guess me at the time, so I bought it and my friend has managed to loose
it, so I would love a new set if anyone has one....some of the songs
made it onto the box set, but not all of it....)

	I will post up my collection in a day or two, and I would love
to see some other peoples...

							Charles Kaplan

			ckaplan@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu



Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: fineston@suncis.ycc.yale.edu (Jason Finestone)
Subject: Re: Jon and Kitaro (oops)
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:32:18 GMT

In article <fineston-151292013255@je-college-node.net.yale.edu>,
fineston@suncis.ycc.yale.edu (Jason Finestone...me!) wrote:

> 
> 	It's pretty good.  I was dissapointed that Jon Anderson only sings on
> three or so songs, however.  It sounds a bit like Jon and Vangelis, except
> for the fact the fact that Kitaro is filling in for the Van-man.  Although
> the music is not as 'sporadic' as Vangelis's, it is beautifully "textured,"
> and makes great reading/studying/sleeping music.  I have to admit, though,
> that I do not have the attention span to sit through all of the
> instrumental stuff.  I suggest buying it used (you should be able to find
> plenty of copies sold back by dissatisfied Yes fans).  BTW, don't be
> surprised by the "ocean noises" that start the album.
>                                             -Jason Finestone
>  																																									 		Yale University
>                                                    
>                                                            
>  I got it when it first came out in the States this previous summer.  It's
>not bad.  It's very Jon and Vangelis-ish, but imagine Kitaro instead of the
>Van-man.  It's not as musically enthusiastic as Vangelis's work, but is
>"well-textured" in its keyboard sound.  I was dissapointed to find out that
>Jon Anderson only sings on three or so of the songs, and I don't have a
>large enough attention span to listen to the instrumentals many times.  It
>makes great reading/studying/sleeping music, however.  I suggest buying it
>used rather than new (you should be able to find a lot of copies sold back
>by dissapointed Yes fans).  BTW, don't be surprised by the "ocean sounds"
>that start the album.                                                           
>                                      -"Aleks Margan"

	Oops, sorry about that extra posting.  I got this news program off of the
network, and tried to send without changing the personal info.  My name is
not Aleks, and I apologize for putting words into his mouth to Aleks
(whoever he may be).  Both of these are IMHO.
																									~                   -Jason Finestone
From: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Allan Holdsworth question
Date: 13 Dec 1992 06:52:59 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bt979@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Preston)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, feathers@serss0 (Michael Feathers) says:

>Recently, Allan Holdsworth played here in Miami, and I was astonished.  Does
>anyone know if he has any live material released?

  Not yet, but he recently hinted to one of the Atavachron subscribers that
as soon as his contractual obligation to Restless Records was complete, there
would be a live release forthcoming. 

>Also, does anyone know if he uses an alternate tuning on his guitar?

  On the doubleneck which you saw him play, the top neck is indeed tuned
in fifths, as Dan Barrett mentioned (hiya, Dan!). The tunes where he used 
the doubleneck's "fifths" neck were originally done on the SynthAxe, which 
he no longer takes on tour due to its instability. The intro to "Non-Brewed
Condiment" from _Atavachron_ is one example; he also used this on one of the
new tunes from _Wardenclyffe Tower_.

  Also, I'd like to second Dan's invitation to check out the Atavachron
list -- we're always glad to have new subscribers!

  Jeff Preston

-- 
| Jeff Preston - owner and moderator of | "We don't  get  many requests |
| the  Allan Holdsworth discussion list |  for recent history."  -- Mr. |
| *** To subscribe, send e-mail to: *** |  Atoz, from the '69 Star Trek |
| <atavachron@morekypr.morehead-st.edu> |  episode _All Our Yesterdays_ |
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Review : Richard Sinclair in San Francisco
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:24:09 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <malcolm.724523181@wrs.com> malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>borella@cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella) writes:

>>Since I haven't seen any other articles on last weekend's Richard
>>Sinclair show in San Francisco, I'll try to sum things up the best I

Well, I guess I'll add my 2 cents worth...

>Interesting idea, huh, mixing progressive music and progressive politics? 

Actually a pretty lame idea if you ask me. I enjoyed these speakers about
as much as I would enjoy being preached to by Pat Robertson. It was all
very tiring, and eventually irritating, when everyone there had pretty
much come to enjoy, have a good time, socialize, and hear some good music.
Then all this serious dialog about eco-feminism, environmental activism,
this-ism and that-ism, plus how terrible the US government and American
society are. Gimme a break. I came to escape...

>Another reason I think an intermission would have helped. Hearing his voice
>for one hour is enough to make everything sound a little similar, especially
>when he kept scatting nonsense syllables and skipping a lot of the words to 
>the tunes he was doing. 

I agree here. It did get a little tiresome at points, it was refreshing
whenever he'd switch guitars and such, but all in all it was still a very
good performance that i'm glad I didn't miss. I think it's about as good
as could be expected of one solo performer without accompaniment.
Let's hope COD plays at a more suitable venue when they come back.

peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Some interesting prog rock items available...
Date: 14 Dec 92 17:28:43 GMT
Distribution: alt.music.progressive
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex


I have the following available for sale/trade.  Email me to make an
offer.  Highest offer for an item gets it.

Yes|Don't Kill The Whale (7" PS + "Abilene")
Rush|Time Stand Still (UK 12" pic disc with unreleased live track)
Hackett|A Doll That's Made In Japan (12" PS + non-album track)
Stewart & Gaskin/Jakko|Dangerous Dreams (7"PS; S on keys, prod; G on b. vocals)
Anderson, Jon; Harley & Batt|Whatever You Believe (12" PS)
Buggles|The Plastic Age (7"; non-album track: Island)



--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
From: markg@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Mark Gay)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Steve Hillage: Guitar-Centered Albums?
Date: 15 Dec 92 11:47:30 GMT
Organization: Portland State University, CS Dept.
In-reply-to: abgem@stdvax's message of 14 Dec 92 22:04:00 GMT

Fish Rising is also worth a listen.

    --Mark
From: lachm00@DMI.USherb.CA (MARTIN LACHANCE)
Subject: Tony Banks vs Keith Emerson
Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke -- Dept. d'Informatique
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:42:12 GMT

Someone (I think this is the Genesis mailing-list owner) wrote
 (I lost the beggining).

>tracks as Cinema Show and In the Cage? - both of which he has done
>regularly live. I would say that these show both his ability and an
>occasional lack of restraint!
 
  Banks stuff is not very hard to play.  I play keyboards since 5 months now
and I able to do most of what Banks did in the 70s.  Cinema Show is not that
difficult to play.  If you have a good right hand, no problems.  The left
hand is incredibly easy.  In the Cage is fast, but with a little practicing,
no troubles.  The big trouble is to find the scores...  You have to find them
by ear.
 
  Just look at the girl who plays keyboards in Over The Garden Wall.  She
plays exactly what Banks plays and she's not a professionnal...

  But I can't play Emerson stuff just with a five months experience...  I
have to admit that I admire Banks, but for his composition talent, not
for his skills.

Martin Lachance
lachm00@dmi.usherb.ca
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: steve@oceania.com
Subject: Re: fish's new single
Reply-To: steve@oceania.com
Organization: Oceania Health Care Systems
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:06:57 GMT

S.Ward-Smith writes
> * Department of Chemistry,  * "You take the acid and I'll take the   *
> * University of Nottingham. * coke and I'll be stoned afore you."    *
                                ^^^^
               I though it was 'dope.'

sorry to waste bandwidth ;^)

=Steve
-- 
          Steve Dakin           | 
  Oceania Health Care Systems   |  That one deserves a ... WOW!
 Palo Alto, CA  (415) 322-0127  |
 steve@oceania.com (NeXT mail)  |  
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: abgem@stdvax (Gary Mosier)
Subject: Re: Dave Stewart (was Re: Steve Hillage: Guitar-Centered Albums?)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center - Robotics Lab
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:08:00 GMT

In article <14017@texsun.Central.Sun.COM>, Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM writes...
>In article <malcolm.724448213@wrs.com>, malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:
>|> Per Peter Frame's Soft Machine and Canterbury tree, the chronology was 
>|> something like:
> 
>[ interesting chronology deleted ]
> 
>Thanks for the information.  Stewart is really the one I am interested in.
> 
>Two questions:
> 
>	1. How are the Stewart/Gaskin releases ?  Anything like
>	   Egg/Hatfield/National Health ????

Not very much alike, I'm afraid. Stewart/Gaskin did a bunch of quirky pop
tunes, including an interesting remake of "It's My Party", but nothing
really outstanding from the prog viewpoint.

> 
>	2. In the liner notes (OK, CD booklet) for the Complete National
>	   Health, Dave Stewart said they initially turned down Pip Pyle
>	   because he didn't want Hatfield and the North, MK II.  Isn't
>	   that what he really ended up with anyway ?????  Comments ?????

Not really, but I can see where people might think that. The 2nd of the 3
N.H. lp's, "Of Queues and Cures", sounds much like H.A.T.N., but the other
2, with playing and/or compositions by Alan Gowen, are somewhat more jazzy
feeling, less frantic than Hatfield or 'Queues'. Phil Miller's guitar
ties the overall sound together for both bands, but N.H. is missing the
wonderfully unique vocal stylings of Richard Sinclair.

BTW, got to see Sinclair a week ago in B'more - excellent show, don't miss
it if he's in your area. He was joined onstage by some members (keys, drums
guitar) of a local band called However (they put a couple of lp's out in the
early 80's that are available through Wayside) to do Matching Mole's 
"Caroline", Hatfield's "Share It" and "It Didn't Matter Anyway", and 
Caravan's "A.A.Man", "Back to Herne Bay Front", and "Winter Wine". An 
excellent slice of Canterbury nostalgia.


--- Gary
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Grobschnitt, anyone? revisited...
From: phil@hyphen.equinox.gen.nz (phil stuart-jones)
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:02:03 +1200
Reply-To: phil@hyphen.equinox.gen.nz
Organization: home
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Apologies to anyone who has seen this before, but our feed hasn't been as
reliable as we thought...  :-(

My brother (Mark) is trying to re-establish contact with the German group
Grobschnitt (now dis-banded).  He was friends with the members but has lost
contact since they split.  If anyone has any info about the activities or
whereabouts of the former members, please post/e-mail this info and I'll
forward it to him.  Thanks.

phil out
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: piscine@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu (Mike Taylor)
Subject: Re: Dave Stewart (was Re: Steve Hillage: Guitar-Centered Albums?)
Organization: Tulane Museum of Natural History
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:49:09 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-16092]: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu


> The 3rd N.H. album is "D.S. Al Coda", a posthumous tribute to
> keyboardist and composer Alan Gowen

It's also a rather clever pun of Dave Stewart's and Alan Gowan's names.

Mike

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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: Progressive rock Radio 
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:56:30 GMT

craigs@pyrdc.UUCP (Craig Shipley) writes:

>Lets us all use our imagination here for a few minutes. Let's
>suppose that you work at a radio station that is letting you
>do a broadcast on progressive music and you can play anything you
>want. What sort of playlist would you come up with that would run
>for, say, an hour? What would be the theme of your show (Marillion
>influenced bands? All these songs feature the Mellotron? Japanese
>progressives that sing in English? Be creative!) 

I know we've got a few folks on here who were djs, and maybe a few
who still are (Dave Mandl?). As it turns out I'm very seriously 
considering getting back into radio in 1993 and will probably get 
a shift on Stanford's station, presumably doing a show that focuses
on progressive rock and fusion with some heavy leaning to Wayside/Eurock/
Recommended types of music. I'm already searching for some themes - 
one obvious focus will be doing some specials oriented to specific
countries (Maybe I can get McLatchey to help quest program a few shows :^) )
and I'm very curious on ideaas of other themes. 

How about radio in general - are there programs and stations out there
that play this stuff? Who? Where? When? I've almost got my lists of 
magazines and mailorder ready to post - how about a guide to the vast
wasteland of radio as we know it today? 

Please email me any info you can and I'll summarize. Post if you can't 
wait and think it's of interest enough to others...

  -Malcolm  
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Who mattered in Yes
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:01:51 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Dec11.132906.12307@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes: 
> I don't think skill was the problem -- Kaye is classically trained,
> and he *did* knock himself out on the Yes Album. I think it must
> have been a large combination of things. I thought Yes
> wanted to upgrade the keyboard *equipment*, not the player (they didn't
> get Rick until the day before they went into the studio for fragile,
> so I don't think it mattered *who* the keyboard player was, all the
> songs were written!).

     Here's Bill Bruford's quote from an MTV Rockumentary.

     "So, Tony got the chop.  And, you could see what was happening, 
      you know.  The band just got better musicians all the time.
      And, as most groups did in those days, you just kicked out the
      guy you started with and got a better guy."


     C. Perttunen
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: scharf@lrs.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Ron Scharf)
Subject: Re: Jon and Kitaro
Keywords: Jon
Organization: LRS
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:54:40 GMT

jssloka@monet.uwaterloo.ca (Scott Sloka) writes:

>Keyboard magazine had an article this month reviewing an album by Kitaro featuring
>Jon Anderson on vocals.  Has anyone heard this album?  I'd love to buy it but it
>costs quite a bit here and it be nice to hear from people in the know how it is
>before I lay down the quid.  Thanks in advance.

>			-Scott


Hi!

Some weeks ago, I heard some tracks of this album. Sounded great; one song
(I believe it's called "Lady of dreams") didn't leave my brain for several
days...
I'd say, it's a typical Kitaro album (i.e. very melodic songs), which is
greatly improved by Anderson's voice. Worth buying (IMHO).

Bye
	Ron
From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Any medieval/renaissance style progressive bands?
Date: 19 Dec 92 15:55:29 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1gsms7INN7q0@bigboote.WPI.EDU> martino@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr) writes:
>is probably parts of Gentle Giant, and I don't know why the group 
>Renaissance is called that becuase it sounds nothing like music 
>from that era!  :)

Ah yes, but the primary definition of renaissance is: "A rebirth or
revival"; the "era of great revival of art & learning in 14th,15th & 16th
century europe" is the secondary definition.

>Anyway,  does anyone know who I could check out?  I heard there's
>a group similar to GG called Gryphon which sounds kind of medieval. 

Kind of. Their first two albums contain a lot of covers of medieval folk
songs; the 3rd album is a 4 part progressive instrumental opus featuring
krumhorns, recorders and bassoon. The last two are similar, but with
shorter tracks and vocals. There's a compilation disc that contains a
lot of stuff from the first two.

Also, you might try something by Dead Can Dance.
I don't know which albums are best since all i have is the compilation.


peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
From: bobn@hawkwind.central.Sun.COM (Bob Netherton)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Any medieval/renaissance style progressive bands?
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:29:20 GMT
Reply-To: Bob.Netherton@dallas.Central.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: hawkwind.central.sun.com

In article <1gsms7INN7q0@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, martino@wpi.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr) writes:
|> Anyway,  does anyone know who I could check out?  I heard there's
|> a group similar to GG called Gryphon which sounds kind of medieval. 

It sounds like Gryphon is your band.  Check out their recently released
compilation, or if you have $$$ to gamble, go straight for the Japanese
release of Red Queen to Gryphon Three.  Red Queen is an interesting
progressive piece.  All instrumental.  Kind of like the wandering
minstrel meets modern technology.


Bob

-- 
Bob Netherton                        | You see the signs, they're always there
Sun Microsystems                     | But you know you never care
Dallas, Tx                           | You are always looking for another reason
bob.netherton@central.Sun.COM        | ==== Hawkwind, Paradox
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: bpw2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Wolfman)
Subject: Question for all
Followup-To: alt.music.progressive
Organization: BGSU
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:18:55 GMT

I have a question for all you, what is the difference, if any between
alternative music, progressive music, and grunge music?


																																			Brian

reply to bpw2001@andy.bgsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: barrett@server.cs.jhu.edu (Dan Barrett)
Subject: Re: Allan Holdsworth question
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:14:06 GMT

In article <Bz60MK.4Et@fiu.edu> feathers@serss0 (Michael Feathers) writes:
>Recently, Allan Holdsworth played here in Miami, and I was astonished.

	Yeah... scary, isn't it?!?  If he played any faster, his fingers
would generate little sonic booms.

>Does anyone know if he has any live material released?

	Nope.  He hates his live material, although he supposedly has
lots of unreleased tapes sitting around.

>Also, does anyone know if he uses an alternate tuning on his guitar?

	I think he tunes in 5ths sometimes.  You might consider subscribing
to the Allan Holdsworth mailing list.  Write to:

		Atavachron@morekypr.morehead-st.edu

                                                        Dan

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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.misc,rec.music.marketplace
From: wcsanil@superior.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: Owner Of A Lonely Heart - RAP VERSION WANTED
Summary: (Yes, this is for real!)
Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 10:08:14 GMT

I'm still looking for a 12" issued about 3-4 years ago called "Owner
of A Broken Heart". It's a rap version of Owner of A Broken Heart with
mega Yes samples. I can't remember the artist (if you know, please
let me know!).

Anyway, if you have one of these, or know where I can get one, please
let me know.

Thanks,

Anil Prasad
wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: feathers@serss0 (Michael Feathers)
Subject: Allan Holdsworth question
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 21:20:43 GMT


Recently, Allan Holdsworth played here in Miami, and I was astonished.  Does
anyone know if he has any live material released?

Also, does anyone know if he uses an alternate tuning on his guitar?
 
 
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive