From: vlaad@Eagles.uucp (Vlaad Thunarsson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: pagan self-defense
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 10:06:30 CDT
Organization: Eagles Reaches Church of Asatru - Elder Hof

radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz) writes:

> donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal) responds:
> > Tim... Do you really think that if an intruder is in your house you 
> > are going to have the time and presence of mind to load your gun?
> 
> A revolver -- no.
> 
> A pistol with a clip -- sure thing.  It takes about a half second,
> and it's loaded.

Garbage.  Even an automatic (or a pistol with speed loaders) takes too
much time... and makes too much noise.

> If you don't have the presence of mind to load the gun -- then
> you shouldn't be using the gun!  Remember what I said about

And if there isn't enough time? what then?

> As for locking it up, I imagine that for most situations, you
> know there's an intruder well before s/he gets to where you're
> at.  It should take about 20 seconds to unlock the gun, and that
> should usually be enough.  If not, then you probably couldn't
> SAFELY get to where the gun's at regardless of whether it's
> locked up or not.
 
Again, this is also hypothetical.  I sleep hard. I may not notice until the
intruder is right outside my bedroom door.  Even if my gun is loaded and near
me, that might just be too late.  So I shouldn't keep one?

> > Did you know that the average exchange of gunfire takes place
> > at less than 12 feet and takes less than 4 seconds?
> 
> This is misleading.  Do you know how long it is between when the
> intruder ENTERS THE HOUSE and when the shooting takes place?
> That's what determines whether you'll have time to get to the
> gun (and unlock it), NOT the time between the first shot and the
> end of the incident.
 
Too many variables.  My life is hanging in the balance.  I can educate my
children.  I can't ask the burglar to wait a second so I can get my gun.

> I repeat what I said:
> 
> Keep the gun unloaded.  It's OK to have a full clip near the
> gun, though.

Pure garbage.  The loading action with either a) make the intruder leave,
QUICKLY (excellent) or b) make the intruder burst into the room and start
shooting (BAD)

 
> Keep the gun locked up.  If you don't have time to get it and
> unlock it, you don't have time to use it wisely.

Oh please, Mr. Burglar, please let me go get my gun so we are on even
ground!?
 
> Periodic training is vital.
> Either be willing to use the gun to KILL someone if necessary,
> or don't have the gun in the first place.

About these things you could not be more correct.  Guns don't kill people,
People kill people.  And people who don't know HOW to use guns are more 
likely to kill than those who dont.


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