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From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Subject: Re: sobre judaismo como cultura
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:43:33 GMT

Con relacion a la diferencia entre judaismo como religion y como
cultura, y sobre si un judio deja o no de der judio por practicar
otra religion,


>Article 55087 of soc.culture.jewish:


>Rob Levene posted this a while ago.

>Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
>From: levene@aplpy.jhuapl.edu (Robert A. Levene)
>Subject: Re: Messianic Judiasm
>Date: Wed, 9 Dec 92 20:42:41 GMT
>

>They don't 'become' non-Jews, they practice non-Jewish religion,
>specifically Christianity.  The reposts below make this abundantly
>clear.
>
>At any time, a Jew may return to the practice of Judaism.
>
>
>Rob


Yo borre el "repost below", que se relacionaba a materiales que difunden
los Judios por Jesus.




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From: urena@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Richard Urena)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america,rec.music.afro-latin,soc.culture.spain
Subject: LYRICS: Ojala' Que Llueva Cafe'
Followup-To: soc.culture.latin-america
Date: 10 Jan 1993 12:44:10 -0500
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucc.umass.edu

There have been several requests for lyrics to the songs by Juan Luis
Guerra y 440.  Here's one of them, in Spanish.  If anyone is interested
in the translation for certain words, let me know.

Enjoy!

[ Respondiendo a mu'ltiples pedidos, aqui' les van las letras de una
de las canciones de Juan Luis Guerra y 440  Si hace falta alguna
explicacio'n de los dominicanismos, favor de avisa'rmelo. ]


OJALA QUE LLUEVA CAFE
Juan Luis Guerra

Ojala' que llueva cafe' en el campo
que caiga un aguacero de yuca y te'
del cielo una "jarina" de queso blanco
y al Sur una montan~a de berro y miel

Oh,...
Ojala' que llueva cafe'

Ojala' que llueva cafe' en el campo
peinar un alto cerro de trigo y mapuey
bajar por la colina de arroz graneado
y continuar el arado con tu querer

Oh,...

Ojala' el oton~o en vez de hojas secas
vista mi cosecha de petit-sale'
sembrar una llanura de batata y fresas
ojala' que llueva cafe'

Pa que en el conuco no se sufra tanto, ay ombe
ojala' que llueva cafe' en el campo
pa que en Villa Va'squez oigan este canto
ojala' que llueva cafe' en el campo

Ojala' que llueva cafe', ojala'a que llueva, ay ombe
ojala' que llueva cafe' en el campo,
ojala' que llueva cafe'

Ojala' que llueva cafe' en el campo
sembrar un alto cerro de trigo y mapuey
bajar por la colina de arroz graneado
y continuar el arado con tu querer

Oh,...

Ojala' el oton~o en vez de hojas secas
vista mi cosecha de petit-sale'
sembrar una llanura de batata y fresas
ojala' que llueva cafe'

Pa que en el conuco no se sufra tanto, oye
ojala' que llueva cafe' en el campo
pa que en Los Montones oigan este canto
ojala' que llueva cafe' en el campo

Ojala' que llueva, ojala' que llueva, ay ombe
ojala' que llueva cafe' en el campo
Ojala' que llueva cafe'

Pa que tos los nin~os canten en el campo
ojala' que llueva cafe' en el campo
pa que en La Romana oigan este canto
ojala' que llueva cafe' en el campo

Ay, ojala' que llueva, ojala' que llueva, ay ombe
ojala' que llueva cafe' en el campo

Ojala' que llueva cafe'
-- 
  -=[                      Richard Urena                      ]=-
  -=[                urena@titan.ucc.umass.edu                ]=-
From: wombat@physics.Berkeley.EDU (Gene P. Ledbetter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: re:  Se me olvido la Pimpinela
Date: 12 Jan 1993 23:52:03 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Sergio Adeff contesto:
 
> Yo tambien quisiera saber.
 
No menos que diez personas respondieron con el nombre 
olvidado:  Pimpinela.  (Segun mi diccionario, el nombre 
ingles es "Scarlet Pimpernel", el nombre de un caballero 
ficcional muy conocido en la literatura inglesa.)
 
> Espero que Gene sepa apreciar estas peque~as correcciones a
> su encomiable castellano: "lamentablemente" en lugar de
> "lastimamente"; "no estan" o "no se ponen" en lugar "no
> son"; "una flor" en lugar de "un flor".  Finalmente, aunque
> correcto como esta expresado, seria mejor "que sepa" en
> lugar de "que sabe".
 
!Claro que si!  No quisiera equivocarme mas que una vez.
 
> Felicitaciones por haber aprendido como segundo idioma,
> un castellano elegante,
 
!Gracias, caballero!
 
> al que solo le falta eliminar algunos errores.
 
Lamentablemente [!], hay muchos otros posibles.
 
Gene
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: jet5r@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (*   THE PUNISHER   *)
Subject: Re: No me defiendas compadre...
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:11:51 GMT

ib19@vaxb.acs.unt.edu writes:
> Edelmiro,
> 	Por lo mucho que mencionas a Cuba en tus notas me imagino que debes
> tenerla muy dentro de ti. Eres tal vez descendiente de cubano(a)s, o naciste
> en la isla?  Te conozco de lo que escribes y desde no hace mucho, pero me he
> dado un poco de idea de cuales son las tuyas. Por lo menos con respecto de
> Cuba, Castro, los comunistas...
> 
... stuff deleted
> 	Esta bien que tengas amigos que te digan cosas y que leas articulos
> y libros al respecto. Dinos que has estado alla, y los peruanos te creeremos
> mas. Claro que vas a tener que explicar que hacias cuando estabas por esas
> tierras y te preguntaremos con detalles. Pero en tanto que tus comentarios
> solo esten basados en terceras personas o en oidas, pero no en experiencias,
> es como decimos por alla.  Y tambien lo decimos por aca:
> 
> 	POR FAVOR, COMPRADRE, NO ME DEFIENDAS!
> 
> 	Guillermo, y tengo el orgullo de ser peruano...
> 
> 
Guillermo, 

A menos que tus conocimientos sobre Peru esten en conflicto con los 
postings de Edelmiro (en cuyo caso deberias ser mas especifico) no veo
motivo para tu comentario.  Que estas tratando de decir??  Que Edelmiro
no tiene derecho a opinar sobre Peru porque no es peruano??.

Espero no sea este el caso

Eduardo
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Human rights in the USA.
Keywords: USA
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:06:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Julio writes:

       A republican I know always asks me why don't they go to
        Latinoamerica. I haven't read about Haitians going to
        Mexico for instance neither to the Dominican Republic.
        I think theirs is the same reason of the majority of
        emigrants coming to the USA. The economy is much better
        here. I think this is the wealthiest country on Earth,
        am I wrong ?

Well Julio if your right, then our policy towards keeping the Haitians out
is entirely justified.  There simply economic refugees who should stay in
Haiti and pick a number like everyone else.  We open our doors to political
refugees who are fleeing persecution for their political views, we don't welcom
people who wan't to come here simply to make a buck.  I hopee your wrong
on this one for the sake of the Haitians. I only believe we should give them
a fair hearing where they can prove to the INS that the are fleeing becausee
the have been dissidents under fire or whatever.  Perhaps the place to do this
is Guantanamo Bay.

Edelmiro
From: rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Subject: Re: Homophobia: US vs. CUBA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:03:24 GMT

In article <21047@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>Alberto Pinkas writes:

>not people like Martina Naratilova.  When clauses such as "does not discrimate 
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>on the basis of race..." is placed on official documents, its because there are 
>special enforcing agencies which make sure there is ADDED protection against 
>racial discrimination.  Whether or not the people of Colorado feel that there 
>is need to give ADDED protection to those who are potentially discriminated on 
>the basis of sexual orientation is a matter for them to decide, for the courts 
>already grants them equal protecion.  In fact, it could very well be argued 
>that all affirmative action programs are unconstitutional since they privilege 
>certain groups above others with respect to the law, and hence there is a 
>violaiton of the 14 amendment.  This is precisely what the Supreme Court has 
>decided in some actions on "reverse" discrimination cases.

 Last night on "Nighline" they talked about the Colorado boycott, etc.
 Martina was one of the guess. One of the things she insisted on was on their
 "right" to adopt children. Now, I don't think it's in the best interest of
 a child to be raised by a homosexual couple ....
 
 In adoption procedings most government agencies and most black citizens even
 oppose adoption of black children by white couples, so adoption of children
 by gays seems to me would be more of a traumatic experience than being raised
 by couples of another race.....
 
 Just my opinion, please tell Barbra Straisand (sp?) not to boycott UCI or
 Orange county!

--
Ray I. Ravelo                "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing. Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                 from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
From: aldo@ips-server.Eng.Sun.COM (Aldo Castillo)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Homophobia: US vs. CUBA
Date: 11 Jan 1993 20:05:46 GMT
Organization: Sun
NNTP-Posting-Host: ips-server

In article <21134@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>
>Edelmiro
>
>[Nota al margen para nuestros amgios latinoamericanos:  Se fijan la mucha 
>libertad que tienen los homosexuales en los EEUU cuando los temas en la agenda 
>que se debaten abiertamente son la aprobacion de leyes que les garantizan 
>derechos especificos que protegen la homosexualidad.  ?Donde se ha visto 
>semejante cosa en latinoamerica?  Cuando era vecino de Madison, Wisconsin, la 
>comunidad homosexual dono una estatua de dos hombres abrazandose que se puso en 
>un parque publico.  Un dia unos mozalbetes vinieron y vandalizaron la estatua 
>con graffitti y la comunidad homosexual protesto y consiguio que le pusieran un 
>policia 24 horas frente a la estatua para vigilarla.  ??Donde se ha visto esto 
>en America Latina?? ??Donde se han visto los desfiles anuales de homosexuales 
>en latinoamerica??

En el carnaval de Rio.  No es broma.

Aldo Castillo
Mountain View, California
From: robarr@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Robert O'Barr)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:26:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <103778@netnews.upenn.edu> julio@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Julio Gonzalez) writes:
>>In article <2B48B4C2.28088@news.service.uci.edu>, rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo) writes:
>
 >> Did you know that for every extra month my uncle stays here my nephew has to
 >>  pay $150.00 per month to Castro's government so his dad's few belongings in Cuba
 >>  are not confiscated and he won't lose his apartment? Should we call that
 >>  extortion or what? .......
 >
 >	That seems a pretty cheap storage price. How much is it to store
 >	things here ? Does he have to pay rent also ? If I go to Chile
 >	I have to pay for the rent in my place. $400 per month.

That seems pretty cheap?  What is the average per capita income in
Cuba Julio?  And besides, I thought that supposedly in Cuba, since they had
been converted into a communist paradise that there was no such thing as
storage costs or "rent".  I guess this is only true for the party elites.


Robert
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: pedersen@seas.smu.edu (Ted Pedersen)
Subject: Guzman and CIA
Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:28:40 GMT

I have heard this rumour about the CIA being involved in the capture
of Guzman but I haven't heard any details. Anybody know anything about
what role the CIA had in this? 

If anyone has seen a good story/article/book that describes (in
general - not just the CIA role) how they tracked him down and
captured him that would be very interesting to me. I have read the
standard newspaper accounts (wire service stuff mostly) but those
didn't get into much detail. It seems like it must be quite a story
(lots of intrigue, etc.)

Thanks,
Ted Pedersen
From: rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo)
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:53:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.210755.15487@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>In article <2B489E16.25476@news.service.uci.edu> rravelo@asturias.acs.uci.edu (Ray Ravelo) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan2.224634.9804@wam.umd.edu> aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas) writes:
>>>In article <20671@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:

>
>
>> It seems to me that Jews in Germany and other European countries were
>> pretty well off (in general) before Hitler did what he did, no?
>
>Some were and some were not. 
>However, it does not change how they were DURING WWII.
>Mr. Salas said that Jews lived in homes during WWII. I say that he is
>wrong. Maybe the Cuban-Americans and their friends can also show that
>the Jews were living in homes during WWII, or that they were taken tp
>concentration camps because of Fidel Castro.

 Well, not all jews were in camps as there were quite a few like Stella* who
 worked for the nazis and lived in nice homes. Also there were many thousands
 that lived with christian families during the war.

 Sorry Alberto, but your irrelevant attack on Cuban-Americans only shows what
 you are: a communist/Castro sympathizer.

 * Stella is a new controversial book dealing with Jews who worked for the nazis,
   it was written by a Jew. I'd not read it yet, but watched a "debate" about it
   on "Larry King Live" last week on CNN.
--
Ray I. Ravelo                "We're your opposition, Mr. Castro, we 10 million
Office of Academic Computing. Cubans who look around us in terror"
UC, Irvine.                 from the open letter to Castro by M.E. Cruz-Varela
From: chamberk@ucs.orst.edu (Kevin Chambers)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Human Rights in Cuba
Date: 4 Jan 1993 06:18:43 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucs.orst.edu
Summary: stupidity

In article <20687@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>Alberto Pinkas writes:
>
>>In article <20685@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu writes:
>
>>>A marxist does not believe in Judaism.
>
>>This is wrong.
>>Judaism is more than just a religion.
>
>Perhaps for you, but I don't believe there is such a thing as a Jewish race, 
>for there are Jews of all races (including the Africans who are not recognized 
>by Israel.)  Yo see Adolfo, I don't believe there is such a thing as "jewish 
>race" just as I don't believe there is an arian race.

Say what????  Who said anything about a Jewish race??
>
>>A large number of people who support marxism are also Jews. Even more,
>>some of them are zionists and live in Israel.
>
>Well, Adolfo, one thing is to support Marxism, another is to believe in 
>Marxism, particularly the tenets related to the non existence of god.   

I'm left speechless.
I'd sure like to hear some Jews speak on this; ignorance is an oft-
forgotten form of anti-Semitism.

Kevin Chambers
chamberk@ucs.orst.edu
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Los nin~os que hablan esperanto
Date: 9 Jan 93 06:39:48 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

jet5r@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (THE PROUD MEXICAN) dice:

>Inferir de su produccion??  No tengo la menor idea de lo que estas tratando
>de decir.  Dime Edelmiro, un ni~o que no sabe hablar, como va a distinguir
>entre una lengua natural y una "artificical" como el Esperanto?.

Facil, el nin~o puede inferir las reglas de la primera y no de la segunda.  
Hay bastante escrito sobre el tema de la adquisicion del lenguage y si quieres 
te mando bibliografia.  Yo pregunte al principio si habian nin~os que hablaban 
esperanto y solo esperanto porque sabia que no los iba a encontrar.  Es mas no 
hay NADIE que hable esperanto y SOLO esperanto puesto que es una lengua que no 
se puede hablar como nativo, es un invento del hombre, y las lenguas naturales, 
lamentablemente, nunca fueron inventadas por nuestra especie, por ello las 
llamamos naturales. 

>Ademas este no es el proposito del Esperanto (ser la primera llengua de nadie)
>y ninguno de tus argumentos refuta la idea principal en crear el Esperanto.

No, pues dile a un esperantista que se ponga a hablar con un hablante de 
Arande,  una lengua aborigen en Austrialia, para que vean que bien lo entienden.

>Por que tiene que ser linguafranca natural??  Lo unco que requiere es que
>sirva como medio de comunicacion.

No tiene que ser nada.  Ustedes hagan lo que quieran.  Hay quienes se pasan el 
tiempo jugando ajedrez y otros "hablando" esperanto.  Cada cual con lo suyo...

>Esto si esta claro el desarrollo del esperanto se limito a tomar en
>consideracion lenguas occidentales.  Pero otra ves, esto no le quita validez.

No, no le quita nada, es igual que el ajedrez, el ajedrez se juega en el mundo 
occidental y a mi me gusta mucho, pero una partida de ajedrez no es la vida 
misma y no le voy a decir a nadie aqui que si juegan buen ajedrez van a 
resolver los problemas del mundo.  Mas aun, pretender que los esperantistas 
seran mas efectivos que embajadores poliglotas me parece una barrabasada.

Edelmiro
From: julio@upenn5.hep.upenn.edu (Julio Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Human rights in the USA.
Keywords: USA
Date: 6 Jan 93 00:10:32 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


	As to stimulate a new field of analysis I propose the
	topic of "the different treatment of Haitians compared
	to Cubans". Here is a piece of news for The Philadelphia
	Inquirer.



	Haitians at Fla. camp vow to fast to death for release

	MIAMI- More than 150 Haitian hunger strikers are willing
	to die if they are not released from a federal detention
	center as a group of Cubans were last week, the head of a
	Haitian refugee group said yesterday.

	  The Haitians are upset that they are not getting the 
	treatment as nearly 50 Cubans who were released after 
	arriving in Florida on Dec. 29 aboard a Cuban tourist
	airliner diverted to Miami. "There are 159 Haitians in
	there... They'll all die together, so they told me," 
	said Rolande Dorancy, head of the Haitian Refugee Center.

	  Immigration officials say the Cuban Adjustment Act of
	1996 renders those fleeing communist Cuba eligible for
	political asylum. Nearly 40,000 Haitian have fled their
	Caribbean nation since a 1991 coup. Most have been sent
	back by the Bush administration, which says they are
	escaping poverty, not persecution.


	Questions.
	1) Is this racism ?
	2) What is it ?
	3) What do you prefer, to be a non-comunist in Cuba or
	a poor in Haiti ?
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Julio , U of Penn, Philadelphia 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
From: ez000281@hamlet.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: Homophobia: US vs. CUBA
Date: 12 Jan 93 18:01:54 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis

Greg Parkinson writes:


|> that in LA gays have no freedom and are treated UNEQUALLY before the law.

>You can get married.  I can't.

Greg is I were gay and a bachelor, I simply go to the city clerk with my 
future husband and file papers which indicate that our property is now shared.. 
I have known many gay couple here in California who, with the exception of 
having children look more like the Brady Bunch than any other heteroseuxual 
marriage I've known.  Probably you're still living in a State which hasn't come 
out of the dark ages.  In such a case you simply have to convince the 
popuulation that your lifestyle is A.O.K. for their moral tastes, or convince 
the U.S. Supreme court that discrimination based on sexual orientation is a 
violation o the 14 amendments.   If in  California ther'es a law it isn't 
because gays "forced" the government to comply, its because you convinced the 
population that it was the best thing to do, and that Californians don't need 
any bigotry against gays.  For one, at least is makes us very competitive 
'cause we can entice thousands of well trained gay professionals to come to 
tolerant California.

>In many places in the US, I can be imprisoned for
>consensual sex with the person of my choice, while
>a heterosexual couple would not be.  Doesn't sound
>like equal treatment to me.  And the Supreme Court
>has upheld the rights of states to make such laws.

Well not all states are so obscure, and I'm sure you can convince the court of 
granting gays a roe-vs.-wade-like decision stating that homosexuality is a 
fundamental right for our citizens.  Then we are sure to have christian 
fundamentalists together with all non extremist homophobes, chain themselves to 
government offices and blow up gay parades, cause, if you haven't figured it 
out yet, it's not a matter of getting a decree from the gov. which allows 
absolute freedom from anti-gay discrimination, its a matter of convincing the 
population that its bad to do so.  Once you do that, the rest will fall into 
place, and whe won't have states with sodomy laws.  Abortion hasn't been 
outlawed because Clinton won,  abortion hasn't been outlawed because 70% of the 
people want freedom of choice.  Having said this, not even you can deny that 
gays in the U.S. (generally speaking that is) enjoy the highest standards of 
freedom of any society which has existed in history.  Any comparison??? Perhaps 
Canada??  Well ok, Sodom and Gamora before the god came around, but the latter 
is fantasy.

Edelmiro
From: hcrms@usmi03.midland.chevron.com (Mitchell S. Craig)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.latin-america
Subject: Re: language course
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:30:28 GMT
Organization: Chevron

In article <93007.102819CAC104@psuvm.psu.edu> CAC104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>I need a self-paced guide, text, or whatever to learn basic conversational
>Spanish.  Does anyone out there have any suggestions?

Hola CAC104,

Check the language lab at your local university, junior college, or
public library and try to find some cassette tapes.
Look for some tapes that have pauses that 1) give you plenty of chances 
to talk (either repeating phrases, answering questions, or changing 
models),  2) then give the correct answer, and 3) give you a chance 
to repeat it.

Practice talking out loud with the tapes (no whispering or mumbling)-
if you aren't allowed to do this in the language lab or library,
try to check the tapes out or make copies to take home.

	Buena suerte,

                  Mitchell Craig