From: kcooke@us.oracle.com (Kevin I Cooke)
Newsgroups: ba.politics
Subject: Re: Run conservatives, run away! (Was: Re: Homophobics can't...)
Date: 20 Aug 92 16:44:04 GMT
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In article <athos-180892230759@kip2-7.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>In article <5043@gold.gvg.tek.com>, mikea@zorba.gvg.tek.com (Michael P.
>Anderson) wrote:
>
>> No, changing them is impossible. But allowing their warped world view to
>> affect my life and your life must not continue. A good start will be the
>> election of Bill Clinton. However, listen carefully to what the ultra-
>> conservatives say about this: "Yeah, sure, let's get Clinton elected;
>> then we can watch while the whole country goes down the tubes." See,
>> they actually want this to happen to further their agenda. They could
>> care less if dead and starving children are necessary to get people to buy
>> the conservative line.
>
>You mean like the congress did when it made the choice to screw over Bush
>no matter what cost to the nation?
>
>> These dinosaurs have had their 12 years and they've made a pretty big
>> mess. Of course, they're busy blaming the Congress (democrats) for
>> not implementing their policies. Maybe Congress told them to stuff it
>> because there was no sense of compromise.
>
>We'll never know, will we?  That's what is HOSED.  Congress made a decision
>to halt any victory for Bush.  Foley said this himself by admitting that
>the only legislation he would pass on to Bush was stuff he knew Bush would
>veto.
>
>Government at work, I suppose.
> 
>> I guess what I'm saying is this: The conservatives don't want to compromise,
>> and now the liberals aren't compromising either. So be it. No state budget,
>> again fine and dandy. But I will not pay for Star Wars, I will not let
>> the schools go belly up, I will not this, and I will not that.
>
>We've had compromise, and it failed.  Bush compromised in 1990 with a tax
>increase, and congress f***ed him by not cutting spending as they promised.
>
>Wilson also did the same thing, with the same results.  That's what you get
>when a Republican starts acting like a Democrat.
>
>But, sure, if Clinton wins I will be more than happy to jeer, point and
>laugh if things get worse.  Then we can say again that once again we had a
>government run entirely by Democrats, and we're in a bigger mess than ever.
> Of course, they (and probably you) will *still* blame it on Reagan and say
>that it just takes long to repair his damages (like, sure).
>
>When taxes go up and employers leave (like they have done here in
>California) and suddenly people find themselves without jobs because of
>huge military cuts, environmental wacko provisions and higher taxes, we'll
>see who's crying and about what.
>
>--
>Rick Eames
>athos@apple.com
>I don't speak for Apple.  Really, I don't.
To: athos@apple.com
Subject: Re: Run conservatives, run away! (Was: Re: Homophobics can't...)
Conservative house, has bankrupted all of us.  Neil Bush (my God, have we
sunk this low?) is likely a felon of the worst, most nepotistic kind, and 
no one in the Republican party seems aware that most of us don't want to 
bail out George's son's mess.  

Bush has vetoed more bills than any previous President.  He then blames Congress
for not cooperating.  Bush's obvious lack of concern for anything other
than his personal political career is almost unmatched (besides perhaps Reagan 
and now Pete Wilson), which is saying quite a bit, given American Politics.

The scandals of the Reagan-Bush era are also almost unmatched in American 
politics (Iran-Contra, BCCI, S&Ls, our covert support and later overt war
on Iraq, the delayed freeing of the Iranian hostages, etc. etc.)
Is it just me, or does it sound like everyone in the Executive Branch should
be at least impeached, and at best hanged for high treason?

A friend recently observed that one would have to be either immoral or stupid
to vote for George Bush.  I mourn for the state of our country, and our state.

P.S. thank god the discussion is moving away from NAMBLA and "Freedom of 
Association," whatever that is supposed to mean.

[these opinions are mine and perhaps yours, but not my organization's]