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From: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com (Christopher M. Conway)
Subject: Scott Tai's "working" email address
Reply-To: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com
Organization: Prickly Wombat Enterprises
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 19:50:35 GMT


Just wanted to let you all know, in case you didn't bother to try. I sent
email to the alleged "working" email address. It did get swallowed up, but
there has been no response. So I think it's probably attached to /dev/null.
Don't even bother.

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Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: T: To All MENSA Members...
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:55:06 -0500

eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager) writes:

 MJE> It seems that there are two groups of people: those who divide people
 MJE> into two group, and those who do not.

There are three types of people - those who divide people into three groups, and
those who can count.


From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: TRUE BLUE?
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:01:20 -0500

moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com writes:

 m> Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:

 DA> mortenaa@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten Aagaard) asks:

 MA> How come the sky is blue?

 DA> 'cuz the light gets diffracted (or is it refracted? [...]) when it hits
 DA> the atmosphere, and the blue light being the most
 DA> energetic has its path bent the
 DA> least, so it seems to be coming from "up" more than other colors.

 m> Actually the blue light gets bent the most, so it appears to come from
 m> everywhere (the whole sky).  If blue were bent the least the Sun would be
 m> blue.

 m> The amount light is scattered is inversely proportional 
 m> to its wavelength to
 m> the 4th power.  This is why blue gets scattered more than red/yellow.

Whoops!  I sit corrected!  Knew I shoulda had some coffee before those 8 AM
Physics classes.... |-Z
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: T: To All MENSA Members...
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:20:15 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.233617.4828@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
> 
> In article <14860@claris.com>, mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
> > In article <1992Jul27.002249.3716@ncsu.edu>, RMS0214@MVS.CC.NCSU.EDU writes:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In article <712134035.F00002@blkcat.UUCP>, Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:
> > > |>nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello) writes to Scott Tai:
> > > |>
> > > |> n>   I admit I'm a little confused.  If I understand right, you do not
> > > |> n> object to clubs restricted to people of certain, arbitrary, qualities:
> > > |> n> age, religion, or certain scores on IQ tests - in general.
> > > |>
> > > |>If you understand his statement to that effect, perhaps.  But it completely
> > > |>contradicts his angle of bashing in the past.  But then, what can we expect from
> > > |>a proven liar who hides behind a nonexistent address, constructs invalid
> > > |>arguments from outdated evidence, and ignores not only current data, but even
> > > |>those who know what they're talking about from firsthand experience?
> > > 
> > > Do you have anything better to do with your time than launch
> > > personal attacks on individuals attempting to do some good?
> > > I have no idea who Scott Tai is, but your post is clearly a
> > > personal attack which has little to do with the Mensa issue.
> > > 
> > > Grow up.
> > 
> > If that message had not come from NCSU, it might have some meaning.  Listen, Scotty
> > boy, at least have the integrity to post under your own name. Take your own advice
> > and grow up yourself.
> 
> Okay, this charade has gone on long enough!  You are ALL Scott Tai!
> I knew it from the start, but you have played into my hands by tipping
> your hat with this latest little game!  Oh, at first I wasn't quite
> sure.  But then, you started arguing with yourself!  And I saw that
> the flames were quite symmetrical EACH time!  And with my Giant
> Mensa Brain, I quickly deduced a fiendish plot to generate multiple
> GMSs, under different assumed names.  So now, it boils down to this,
> Mr. Tai/Bertsch/Aronson/Steiner/etc.!  Just us two!!  Ha!
> 
> Have at thee, scoundrel(s)!!  The game's afoot!
> 
> GM("Who Am I This Time?")S
> 
> -- Computer E-mail Ventriloquists: the Mimes of the Tomorrow!

What do you mean, "the two of us"?  We are one.
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper)
Subject: Re: More on the AG
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:03:09 GMT

Eric, the minutes are not done by the national office--
they are done by me, personally, a volunteer and elected
officer.  If you have concerns about the speed with which
they are done, I suggest you discuss it with me personally,
or, better yet, run for the office of Secretary.  You still
have time to place your name before the Nominating Committee--
the deadline is July 31, 1992--and I will be glad to send
you a copy of the form for doing so.
--
Jean L. Cooper    (BITNET: JLC5F@virginia.edu   CIS: 70253,1114)
"The true University of these days is a Collection of Books." 
                                           --Carlyle
From: atrw0176@cellar.org (Atrw93)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: T. MENSA vs Intelligence
Date: 26 Jul 92 01:07:40 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

sonic@artgate.cray.com (Curtis Swanson) writes:
> Other people have also pointed out (and it should be painfully obvious
> anyway) that doing well on an IQ test is but a very small aspect of a 
> person.  I have found "hopeless socially and stuffed to the gills with ego"
> type people in all walks of life.  Mensa, sadly, is not an exception to this
> rule.  However, I have also met many fun and interesting people in and out
> of Mensa and thouroughly enjoy their company.  If you go in to a situation
> with the attitude "Mensan's are all egomaniacal buutheads," odds are that
> you'll rub them the wrong way and, viola, a self-fulfilling prophecy.  


Since the requirement for Mensa is solely the top two percent

on the test, Mensa gets two percent of the population. This includes
 
two percent of the socially inept, of the flakes, &c..........

ATRW93
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Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: drich@sandman.lerc.nasa.gov (Daniel Rich)
Subject: AMC Minutes (was Re: More on the AG)
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:34:48 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.171514.2755@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper) writes:
|> I also post the mini-minutes on the Mensa Forum, in
|> the Mensa Publications library.  I have no objection
|> to posting them here or on other BBS, but I have not
|> had the time.  I think posting the full minutes here
|> is a waste of "bandwidth", considering their size.

I assume I am not the only reader on here without compuserve access (I
have a problem with their rates), so how about posting at least the
mini-minutes here?  If not that, then how about sending them to the
Mensa mailing list (that is limited to members only)?

-- 
Dan Rich                    | drich@lerc.nasa.gov   |  (216) 433-4000
Sr. Systems Engineer        | "Danger, you haven't seen the last of me!"
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Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA)
Subject: Re: T: To All MENSA Members...
Originator: cjdcosta@zepplin.ece.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:46:33 GMT


billmcc@seanews.akita.com (Bill McCormick)
> sat@ailab.ncsu.edu
>
>Ah, not only is he a virus, he's a *mutating* virus.  Off I go to edit my
>kill file again.

While you're on this mutating spree, Tai, here's something you haven't tried:

Scott "Humbug" Andrew Tai 
shat@ailab.ncsu.edu

The login id is soooooo apt!
From: eager@eagercon.com (Michael J. Eager)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: T=Constructive Criticism
Date: 31 Jul 92 03:42:26 GMT
Reply-To: eager@eagercon.com
Organization: Eager Consulting

In article 27560@ncsu.edu, tai-sa@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott A Tai) writes:
>When I first saw this newsgroup appear, I thought, "Great!  Someplace where 
>MENSANS and non-MENSANS who are interested in the organization alike can join 
>together in a discussion about whatever..." 

Well, I have never seen any posting from you which discussed anything. 
Almost all of your posts are polemics against an organization which you 
appear to have no familiarity with.  

---
Michael J. Eager		Michael.Eager@eagercon.com
Eager Consulting		(415) 325-8077 
1960 Park Boulevard, Palo Alto, CA 94306-1141
From: ph@venturi.ama.caltech.edu (Paul Hardy)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: A few questions for ISPE members
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:07:21 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology

In article <1992Jul24.164011.22998@bnr.ca> radams@crchh404.BNR.CA (Rodney Adams) writes:

>   I just received my first ISPE journal, and I have a few questions.
>
>   1) What are all of the recent difficulties that ISPE has been facing 
>   recently (alluded to in reference to Betty Hansen's performance as
>   President of ISPE)?

I've also recently joined the ISPE, and I'd also be interested in knowing.

>  Has Scott Tai been pestering them too? :)

It's possible; the address has been posted on this newsgroup!

I do know that there is supposedly a position for someone to welcome new
members, and Betty Hansen seems to have been handling this herself (because
the person who was supposed to handle it isn't).  Also, the Director of
Admissions has changed, and now the position of Editor of Telicom is open.
She has probably had a lot to coordinate recently just with these issues.

>   2) According to a letter from Chris Harding (ISPE's founder) in In-Genius,
>   Mr. Harding has been unable to have his submissions published in Telicom.
>   Why is this?  Was he involved in ISPE's difficulties?

I don't know about this, but his name and address are still in the roster.
If I'm not mistaken, he's only an Associate Member; this sort of surprised me.

>   3) For the benefit of another, what score, if any, is accepted on the
>   ACT for admission to ISPE?

I don't know if they are using this score.

>   Enquiring minds want to know :)

Heh!

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From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: TRUE BLUE?
Date: 29 Jul 92 14:51:41 GMT
Reply-To: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


In article <712393219.F00006@blkcat.UUCP>, Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson) writes:
|>mortenaa@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten Aagaard) asks:
|>
|> MA> How come the sky is blue?
|>
|>'Cuz if it were green we wouldn't know which way was up.
|>
|>Naw, really, an oversimplified explanation is that it's 'cuz the light gets
|>diffracted (or is it refracted?  I always get 'em mixed up...) when it hits the
|>atmosphere, and the blue light being the most energetic has its path bent the
|>least, so it seems to be coming from "up" more than other colors.

Actually the blue light gets bent the most, so it appears to come from
everywhere (the whole sky).  If blue were bent the least the Sun would be
blue.

The amount light is scattered is inversely proportional to its wavelength to
the 4th power.  This is why blue gets scattered more than red/yellow.

-Mike
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper)
Subject: Re: More on the AG
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:15:14 GMT

The minutes are posted (starting with Dec. 1991) on
the Mensa Forum.  They are in the Inside Mensa library
I believe.  The keyword in my statement was "typed".
The average minutes of an AMC meeting are between 20
to 25 pages printed pages long.  (That's about 40,000
to 45,000 bytes.)  I have to listen to tape(s) of the
meeting, and transcribe and edit them to a manageable
size.  It takes up to four weeks sometimes.  The 
previous secretary often spent 70-80 hours on 
each set of minutes.

Also, the minutes cannot be officially released 
until they have been "approved" by the AMC at its
next meeting, and thereby become the "legal" minutes
of the Board of Directors.

I also post the mini-minutes on the Mensa Forum, in
the Mensa Publications library.  I have no objection
to posting them here or on other BBS, but I have not
had the time.  I think posting the full minutes here
is a waste of "bandwidth", considering their size.

--
Jean
--
Jean L. Cooper    (BITNET: JLC5F@virginia.edu   CIS: 70253,1114)
"The true University of these days is a Collection of Books." 
                                           --Carlyle                        
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: seb@draper.com (Steve Bacher Batchman)
Subject: Genius Sperm Bank
Organization: Draper Laboratory
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 19:42:00 GMT

Where I have a problem is:  Instead of women and men pairing up
(and please no flames about "why didn't I mention men and men pairing up
or women and women pairing up"), we could conceivably (n.p.i.) have
a lot of women gonig after the same small sample of Supersperm.  leaving
a lot of men out in the cold, as it were.  

Also, this small sample of Ubersperm could have some, even many, but not all
the traits desirable for furthering humankind.  Surely you do not mean to
argue that Mensans, Nobel prize winners, or what have you, in and of 
themselves embody ALL of the necessary attributes for survival as a
society.  (I mean, who would renew our driver's licenses? :-)

There - have I picked a sufficiently defenseless target?
 
 - Batchperson
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: scott@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott A Tai)
Subject: T/ Re: T: To All MENSA Members...
Reply-To: tai@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us
Organization: NCSU Artificial Intelligence Systems Laboratory
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 02:30:05 GMT


In article <1992Jul27.122010.7439@klaava.Helsinki.FI>, widenius@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Risto Widenius) writes:
|>>sat@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott Andrew Tai) writes:
|>[blah blah..]
|>>     The problem with MENSA is the 2% rule, and it should be dropped.
|>>
|>>     I have felt for some time that MENSA members can be roughly
|>>categorized into one of two groups.  Group A consists of those people
|>[..blah blah]
|>
|>HOLD IT!
|>
|>Don't respond to this. It is not written by Scott, but by the gmc-
|>semiconductor-fraud some months ago. Then again, it may very well
|>be the same person.

Yes--you're right.  I'm everyone who posts provocative articles to
rec.org.mensa.  

-- Scott Tai
   tai@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: T/ A CHALLENGE TO THE EVIL DR. TAI : )
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:40:55 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.032507.22714@ncsu.edu>, scott@ailab.ncsu.edu (Scott A Tai) writes:

> PS: It'll be another couple of months before I complete my PhD, so you 
>     don't have to call me 'Dr. Tai' just yet :)

In what, underwater basket weaving?
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: jlc5f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jean L. Cooper)
Subject: Re: Newsletters and Dues (was Re: Mensa national versus local, New York City)
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 15:39:08 GMT

There was a breakdown of how the dues are spent in the
October 1990 issue of the Mensa Bulletin.  You can
also get a copy of the information from the 
Treasurer, Dave Remine.  If you don't have a copy,
send me your postal address and I'll send you
one.

--
Jean L. Cooper    (BITNET: JLC5F@virginia.edu   CIS: 70253,1114)
"The true University of these days is a Collection of Books." 
                                           --Carlyle                        
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Admission to Mensa
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:42:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul25.102814.18617@wixer.cactus.org>, chrisb@wixer.cactus.org (Chris Blandy) writes:
> 
> 
> 
>     I have a few questions about admission to Mensa, and this seems like the
> correct venue to ask.  First of all, what are the requirements of admission
> to Mensa?  Is there a battery of skills that Mensa prefers, or will SAT
> scores do?
>     I would also like say that this seems like an interesting place to
> discuss Mensa-related ideas and activities, but why do people insist on
> questioning the existence of Mensa, etc?  I though this group was called
> rec.org.mensa, not rec.flame.mensa!

It's a religion thing.  Just like the God exists, God doesn't exist deal.
No one likes to have their personal belief structure threatened.  Mensa's
pretty much like God, Rocky, and Comaneci in that context -- always
waiting for the New Kid to take a swing.

Maybe more like Tyson.  No.  Never mind.


GMS
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: Why GREENSleaves?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 03:50:03 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.182205.26652@ttinews.tti.com>, hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes...
>In article <920725183852.2080b106@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU>, SSR48327@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Syed Shibli) writes:
>}>   I remember extracting some cholorophyll from a few leaves as part of
>}>   Biology lab. Pure cholorophyll is actually more bluish than green.
>}>   I think the green hue comes from the mixture of sugar and the
>}>   cholorophyll itself. 
> 
>I remember a similar experiment.  I also remember the chlorophyll extract
>appeared green under ambient room light, but red when an intense spot lamp
>was shined on it.  The teacher had no good explanation for that.

I remember the same thing in high school biology.  I *think* the red was due to
the re-emission of the red light by the chlorophyll when it couldn't convert it
into sugar fast enough.  I'll ask my brother next time I see him, he did lots
of work with chlorophyll as part of his doctorate.  Extracted from supermarket
spinach, he got plenty of weird looks when he'd buy tons of spinach all at
once...

BTW, there are at least two types of chlorophyll.  Chlorophyll A is what 99.9%
of chlorophyll-using plants use, chlorophyll B (which is slightly different) is
used by blue-green algae.  Chlorophyll also has many similarities to the oxygen
carrying heme molecule in blood.

-Mike
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA)
Subject: Re: Why GREENSleaves?
Originator: cjdcosta@c00100-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: cjdcosta@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER J DCOSTA)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:29:49 GMT


mortenaa@Lise.Unit.NO (Morten Aagaard) writes:
>
>Why is most vegetation green? Is this a result of random evolution or
>is there any particular reason for not growing blue?

  Many many years ago, before humans or apes or animals showed up
  on this planet, there were plants of all colors, sizes, and shapes. 

  Plants were then intelligent creatures and masters of technology,
  especially weapons of mass destruction. Then one day the greens used 
  their weapons on the blues, the browns, the whites, the blacks, and 
  the yellows, wiping them off the face of the earth.  Only the greens 
  remained. However, the radioactive fallout destroyed much of their 
  mental faculties and caused  mutations in later generations. In time, 
  they evolved into the listless green life forms that you see today.
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: schmeve@seeker.mystic.com (Steve Schmitt)
Subject: Re: daylength
Organization: Mystic Software Pittsburg, Ca
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 05:00:10 GMT

In article <XmS-J!C@engin.umich.edu> willism@engin.umich.edu (Mark Benjamin Willis) writes:
>I have a newspaper article somewhere in my files in which a group of 
>scientists created a model of the celestial movements.  They ran the 
>model forward and backward and found a day missing.  They checked the 
>model several times and everything fit perfectly except that a day was
>missing a couple thousand of years ago.  

"Found a day missing"?  How do they know that their model doesn't fit
reality?  Are they comparing the predictions (er, recollections) of
their model to ancient Greek observations? 

>I could try and dig up the article for 
>reference is anyone is interested.

Please do.  If you hadn't referenced the newspaper article, it might
have sounded like a modern myth.  As it is, it sounds like something
that "Enquiring minds want to know".

>Mark Willis                   		willism@caen.engin.umich.edu 
>9319 Harbor Cove Circle #312
>Whitmore Lake, MI  48189                Bumpersticker:  He who dies with the
>(313) 449-5638                                          most toys is dead!

He who dies with the least toys is also dead.  We cannot determine the
comparative quality of life from the data given, but I'm betting on the
guy with the most toys.  (Still like the sticker, tho!)
-----
-Steve Schmitt                                                .__o
-schmeve@seeker.mystic.com, ns.pacbell.com!seeker!schmeve    `\_<,
-"Mystic Software doesn't even know who I am!" ... ... ... (*)/'(*)
From: mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: speed of light and age of the universe
Date: 22 Jul 92 17:30:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.160714.21769@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
> 
> In article <14769@claris.com>, mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
> > In article <4744@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>, joann@ariadne.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Jo Ann Malina) writes:
> > > 
> > > In article <1992Jul17.015002.20294@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
> > > |> In article <14747@claris.com>, mike_steiner@qm.claris.com (Mike Steiner) writes:
> [.....]
> > > Must be the same god who buried all the fossils in different rock strata to
> > > fool us.
> > 
> > I think that we already agreed upon that. :-)
> >  
> > > How about the obvious -- any book that says that the world was created in
> > > six days by a supernatural being is WRONG. Poetry, if you will. Not literally
> > > true. In error, if you're being literal. Mistaken. Out in left field. Barkin'
> > > up the wrong tree. An ex-parrot (oops, wrong routine). Wrong.
> > 
> > Of course.  But how do we get people like my brother-in-law to believe that?
> 
> 
> Well, we could always travel town to town, find non-believers like him
> and torture them until they agree.

Yeah, but I like the guy.  Aside from this one aberation, he's a nice guy.