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From: ericg@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Eric Chris Garrison)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Go to alt.fan...we don't want you(was Re: rec.arts.sf.written FAQ)
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:34:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bt92Kz.n0n
Organization: Indiana University

Myself, I would not be opposed to doing as Cindy suggests, 
and *mention* subjects/authors which cause flamewars, but 
the original posting did not say that.  Aaron, sarcastic
or not, was proposing censorship, or at least squelching
conversation by *forbidding* conversation on authors which
are not up to some readers' standards.

It is those who flame fans of "lesser" works who are at 
fault for the flame wars, not the fans.  Just because
someone does not like Piers Anthony, David Eddings and
so on, should not keep others from chatting about why
they *do* like them.  I think perhaps a note in the FAQ
telling would-be elitists not to denigrate other posters
for their tastes in authors would be more appropriate.

I think free discussion is a good thing, I don't like to
see it discouraged.

Eric



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From: v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: What are the best fantasy books involving dragons?
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:23:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <8259@orbit.cts.com>, ceg@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Chris Galas) writes...
>kwilliam@maclab01.seas.ucla.edu (William Kuan) writes:
>>
>>       Any recommendations on fantasy books involving dragons?
> 
>The books by Anne McCaffrey, such as _Dragonflight_, _Dragonquest_
>and _The White Dragon_ are a very good starting point if your
>interested in dragon novels.
> 
>Also _A Flight of Dragons_ (the author's name escapes me now) adds
>a mechanical theory to why (some) dragons can fly.
> 
>Chris Galas
>CEG@PNet51.Orb.MN.Org

     I always thought the dragon in Diane Duane's DOOR INTO SHADOW (and
     his race backstory) were quite nice (and I'm not a "fantasy person").
     Might want to pick it up, if you can bleedin' find it.
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From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: SF-LOVERS Digest   V17 #418
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:01:15 GMT

In article <92Aug13.212457.11911@acs.ucalgary.ca>, jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
|> 
|> The Xanth series is up to 15, with 18 threatened. Sigh.
 
 You mean Anthony plans to _stop_ writing Xanth books? I find this hard to 
believe.
 
 Asimov tried to stop writing Foundation books too, and we saw what 
happened to that effort. 
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Subject: Re: K. Kurtz' Deryni series
From: jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:19:05 GMT
Organization: Searle, Skokie, IL
Nntp-Posting-User: jjfink

>>>	Actually, in an interview with Katherine Kurtz, she said that after
>>>she finished Javan's Year and the Adept Book 2, the multitude of fan
>>>letters that she got has made her decide to put everything else on hold and
>>>start work on The Quest for Saint Camber Book 4!  The whole reason behind
>>>the book:  To get Kelson married.

I seem to remember something about Kurtz' agent or editor really really really
wanting her to write the Childe Morgan series before s/he died, and she was
supposed to be doing that first.  Any corroboration?

Joel
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From: tgg@otter.hpl.hp.com (Tom Gardner)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:28:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Are the Moties us?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Laboratories, Bristol, UK.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written

Are the Moties us? Dunno.

But I'd like to see someone do a decent essay on the subject of "compare and
contrast Motie society and values with Japanese society and values". Don't
worry about the breeding compulsion, there are plenty of other interesting 
comparisons that might be drawn.

Anyone out there read any of the "non-classis" 1930s SF? Awful lot of stories
revolved around how the hick US youngster beat the Yellow Peril. Much of this
was overtly racist...
From: CSDE1322@cl.uh.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: RE: SF-LOVERS Digest   V17 #418
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:20:00 GMT



    
Here is the information that I have about Asimov's Forward The Foundation.

    Asimove did indeed finish writing the novel before he died.  And in fact
it was written in the stlye of the original trilogy, that is as a series of
novellas or novelletes.  And between each story 10 years would have 
elapsed, so the whole book covers 50 years, unlike Prelude, Foundation and
Earth, and Foundation's Edge.  The Book was to trace Hari Seldon's
development of Psychohistory between the time of Prelude to Foundation and
Foundation.   As I said Asimov finished it and two of the short stories
appeared in his magazine(I read one and thought it was excellent).  The main
point of the book was to wrap up whether or not "Psychohistory" was indeed
invented or just a an empty guiding lie, as there are hints of in the
last two foundation novel(Edge and Earth).  I am checking the bookstores 
for it everyday myself.

    Here's an interesting Asimov topic that everyone could ponder, I was
arguing about it with a calculus professor of mine the other day.  My
professor claims that all of the later Asimov Science Ficition( 1982 and
after) is terrible and horrid and Asimov was just "prostituting" himself
and his ideas for the almighty dollar.   This just totally shocked me
because I actually prefer Asimov's 80's work to his work he was doing in
the 40's and 50's.  Don't get me confused though, I don't think anybody
can touch his earlier work except his own later work....

    What do all of you think??????????????



Chris M. Brinson
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From: jmalcolm@sura.net (Joseph Malcolm)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Yet Another Misleading Cover
Date: 14 Aug 92 15:30:58 GMT
Organization: SURAnet, College Park, MD, USA, NA, Earth, Milky Way

In article <2A8AF4D4.22588@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
>In a similar vein to the last comment, check out Louis Cooper's Indigo
>series.  The first four books have a wonderful pen and ink/watercolor
>illustrating the covers, which is very accurate.  Alas, the last two
>books have succumbed to portraying her as REALLY RED HAIRED and
>WEARING BIKINIS.  Not to mention GLAZED PANICKED LOOKS whereas the
>early ones portray a competent woman with an edge of dispair.  The
>contrast is really striking and I'm pissed that they switched
>illustrations like that in mid-stream...

Yes, it was rather annoying. In fact, I had trouble for a while finding the
last two books because the packaging was so different. (!)
And so did a few friends of mine, so it's probably not just me.

Sigh. Why didn't they just continue with the pen & ink/watercolor covers?

-- 
Joseph Malcolm				jmalcolm@sura.net
From: rehbd@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (brian.d.reh)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Recommendation on Fantasy Epic Novels
Keywords: MacAvoy
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:50:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

I would like to recommend R. A. MacAvoy's latest fantasy:
	Lens of the World 
	King of the Dead
These are the first two books of a trilogy. I don't believe
the third is out yet.

This may not be for the original poster, but for those that like
Fionavar, and Middle-Earth, and maybe even Gene Wolfe's Torturer stuff.

Brian Reh
First time poster, long time reader
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Diane Duane-door Into Sunset
Date: 22 Aug 1992 15:40:02 -0500
Organization: The SMOF-BBS: Science Fiction Online Since 1985 [512-467-7317]
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The WIZARD books are YA fiction but are just fine in any case. I liked them
a bunch.
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From: dant@techbook.com (Dan Tilque)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Not Card's feelings on h (was Re: Go to alt.fan...
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:31:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Aug21.093136.4838
Organization: Pseudopolis Yard

puckett@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Jim Puckett) writes:
>
>We already do - we tell folks in the FAQ 'Don't bring up Heinlein's
>women or Card's attitude toward homosex (with such good effect that
>after a year of reading this group, I still don't know Card's attitude
>toward homosex!)

[Here I am -- violating the FAQ that I maintain.]

Basically, Card doesn't like it.  About 2 years ago, we had a huge
flamefest about an article he'd written in some Mormon magazine.  I
didn't keep score, but I estimate that it was about the same order of
magnitude as the reorg flamewar we had last year.  The year before that
(if I'm not skipping a year), we had the big Heinlein-thinks-nuclear-
war-is-good flamewar.  That was also of the same magnitude.  This year,
by comparison, has been almost flamefree.

Those were the days -- when a flamewar was a real flamewar and little
green furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real little green furry
creatures from Alpha Centauri.  

---
Dan Tilque    --     dant@techbook.com

P.S. Please don't resurrect the Card on Homosexuality war -- come up with
an original flamewar.
From: demon@desire.wright.edu (Stupendous Man)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Mote in God's Eye (Sequel)
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:22:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: desire.1992Aug14.112227.3465
Organization: Demonic Possesions, Inc.

In article <1992Aug12.212457.17764@pbhya.PacBell.COM>, whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:
> In all the talk about possible plots for the seqeul, I think one has
> been missed. . . 
> 
> We all know from MiGE that the Moties have the Alderson (or "Crazy
> Eddie") drive.  We know they get the Lanston field pretty quickly.
> How long does it actually take them to build the first Field-protected
> Alderson ship?  The _Lenin_ and (I presume) the waiting tanker
> returned to the New Caledonia system fairly promptly, and then they
> *stayed* there until the decision was made to blockade the Mote system
> at Murcheson's Eye.  To make the blockade work, they had to get a
> fleet together . . .
> 
> How long did this take?
> 
> Could the Moties have slipped a ship out *before* the blockade was set
> up--when jump shock wouldn't have left tehm sitting ducks for waiting
> warships?
> 
> I *think* it's given in MiGE that the only jump-point away from
> Murcheson's Eye is to New Caledonia--but is that actually true, or is
> it the only jump point to an Imperial planet?  EVen if that's the only
> way out--how closely is the point between the Eye and New Cal being
> watched?
> 
> There may be Moties already loose before the blockade is set up . . .

	If I remember correctly, there was a task force at the Alderson point
when the _MacArthur_ and _Lenin_ went in.

	Presumably they would stay there until relieved by the blockading
force.  (Or become part of it.)

Brett                                                      
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From: ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge)
Subject: Re: What are the best fantasy books involving dragons?
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:28:37 GMT

In <willimsa.714403006@unix1.tcd.ie> willimsa@unix1.tcd.ie (Gavin Williams) writes:

>How about the short story collections, Dragons of Light, and Dragons of 
>Darkness?

How about killing yourself?

Ollie...
From: dant@techbook.com (Dan Tilque)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: What are the best fantasy books involving dragons?
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:05:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Aug19.090519.10765
Organization: Pseudopolis Yard

kwilliam@maclab01.seas.ucla.edu (William Kuan) writes:
>
>	Any recommendations on fantasy books involving dragons?

_Guards! Guards!_ by Terry Pratchett.  Well, maybe it's not quite what
you're looking for, but I recommend it anyway.

---
Dan Tilque    --     dant@techbook.com
From: yishai@taurus.BITNET
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Card: Maps in a Mirror
Date: 15 Aug 92 14:46:07 GMT
Reply-To: <yishai@math.tau.ac.il>

Someone mentioned a while ago that Card's _Maps in a Mirror_ is not to
appear in paperback.  However, I have just come across a set of two
paperbacks titled _Maps in a Mirror_, vols. 1 & 2, published in the UK
by Legend.  The first volume consists of two parts; the first is
called "The Hanged Man" (is this a typo?), and contains the stories
that appear in the paperback _The Changed Man_, which I bought in the
US a few months ago.  The second part is called "Flux".

The second volume also has two parts: the first is called "Maps in a
Mirror", and starts with the story "Unaccompanied Sonata", and the
second, called "Cruel Miracles", starts with "Mortal Gods".

A question to those who have seen the hardcover version: is this the
same thing?

-- Yishai Feldman
   Tel Aviv University
   yishai@math.tau.ac.il
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From: darknite@camelot.bradley.edu (John S. Novak III)
Subject: Re: _Tigana_ question
Organization: Bradley University
Date: 19 Aug 92 07:23:54 GMT

In <16s5v4INNb21@agate.berkeley.edu> smoot@roger-rabbit.cs.berkeley.edu (Stephen [Steve] R Smoot) writes:

>> >>>Possible mild spoilers follow


>A big deal is made (in my mind at least) about how the
>different magics are different, so I'd say no.  In addition,
>they could easily be so far above Palm wizards that they
>could shake it off even if affected.  I.e. They have "get
>out of service free" cards.... ;-)

I shudder to think what would happen if someone tried that on
Alberico...  Especially if he was in the prime of his power,
before he gave himself a stroke by discorporating.

>I think the lands all being very different is part of the
>set supporting plot that cant possiblby all be described in
>one book.  The lands are obviously very different, within
>the Palm as well as without.  The within differences arent
>dwelt on (exactly *why* couldnt they band together in the
>face of a common foe?  Other nations have done it...).  And
>the foreign lands are even more mysterious.  The magics were
>different (approached in different ways, perhaps), but in
>some sense the same, as Palm wizards understood the doings
>of the invading wizards, even if they couldnt copy them.

As for why the Palm states couldn't band together, I thought that
was fairly obvious-- pride, pure and simple.  And the Tiganese
were the epitomy of the Palmers in many ways, especially this
one.  The situation brought to mind the Italian city-states (as
it was meant to, I believe) of the Renaissance-- a common
culture, but a fragmented and shattered Body Politic.

I did, however, like the fact that the magics were different from
culture to culture, even though the mechanics weren't explained.
Probably, it was a case of all the different extrapolations from
a common base.  But its not really important to the story, and
possibly better left to the readers' imaginations.

--
"Morons are tricky. You can spot the fool right away (not to
mention the cretin), but the moron reasons almost the way you do;
the gap is infinitessimal."
	  -Jacopo Belbo
John S. Novak, III		darknite@camelot.bradley.edu
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From: richard@csi.on.ca (Richard Martin)
Subject: Re: _Tigana_ question
Organization: Carp Systems International, Kanata, ON
Distribution: usa,ca
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:09:32 GMT

Italian?

Sheesh!  I thought it was Vietnamese!  =)
Richard.
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From: rck1@ellis.uchicago.edu (roberta chi-woon kwong)
Subject: Re: QL: Leaps we want to see Sam in.......
Reply-To: rck1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:56:01 GMT

In article <BsxwHJ.At4@nntp-sc.Intel.COM> sramirez@milos.intel.com (Steve Ramirez) writes:
>In article <1992Aug13.185817.2163@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse) writes:
>>
>>my turn....
>>
>>
>>--Gushie just after Sam leaps.  Imagine the conversation he had with Al.
>
>Who is Gushie? I know, I know read the FAQL list. The reason I asked is
>because there's this god-awful comedian who's on all the talk shows/comedy
>shows, you know the guy that makes his eyes bug out (I guess that's his
>"thing" and it's supposed to be funny), anyway I saw him on Arsenio(?)
>and he said he's going to be playing some role on QL this season, and I
>think it's supposed to be this Gushie character. I'm not as up to speed
>as most, but isn't Gushie the guy who operates Ziggy?? I think I heard him
>mentioned once or twice last season.

Yep, that sounds like Dennis Wolfberg, who does indeed play Gooshie
(BTW, what's the official spelling of "Gooshie"? Didn't they spell
it two different ways in the credits?). IMHO he's not that all that
bad a stand-up comedian, though I haven't watched him much...A bit,
well, unusual, that's all :-)

Gooshie's the main programmer for Ziggy.

[I'd continue with the list right now, but the fact that the dining hall
closes in 20 minutes means I've got to rush...]


Robin C. Kwong ("er)
				Leapers always reflect before
				deciding what to do next!
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: The T is for Thelonious
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:52:32 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <devaneyb.32@elmer1.bobst.nyu.edu> devaneyb@elmer1.bobst.nyu.edu (Bob Devaney) writes:
>
>
>Riker's middle name is Thelonious, as in Thelonious Monk, the jazz man.
>It makes sense since he plays trombone, right.
>

Just to make things more clear, Riker (and Frakes) plays the trombone.
Thelonious Monk was a pianist.




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From: zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo)
Subject: Re: BABYLON 5: Rest of the Casting, First day of filming
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:00:20 GMT
Organization: Inter/Access' Matrix BBS

>>In article <1992Aug13.130011.13891@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>>>I don't think that this continuing info update on B5 belongs on this
>>>group, anyway.  This is not rec.arts.babylon5.current.  This is really a
>>>shameless attempt to suck in the Trek crowd.  I'm sure that if the show
>>>turns out to be that good, we'll all watch it based on the merits that
>>>we find.  Consensus anyone?
>>>

I've never known anyone to watch a show (consistently) for any other 
reason.  If there is anyone out there that watches a show all the time
for any other reason than they like it a lot, let us know why.

I like speculative fiction.

I liked Battlestar Galactica somewhat enough to watch the series but lost
interest quickly during Galactica:1980.  I loved reading The Flash comics
in the late 60's/ early 70's.  After 2 episodes of The Flash I lost
complete interest.  I watched the pilot for Buck Rogers and never saw
another.  I watched Star Trek as a kid and have seen all the episodes
many times.  I started watching Star Trek: TNG in season 3 (I had no 
TV between '82 - '89) and have seen every episode since in reruns and
will continue to watch religiously.

The point is that everyone who reads this nsgrp wants to get info and
be 'sucked in' to a new tv show that they might like and watch all
the time.  Show me one Star Trek fan who does NOT want another tv
series in an SF genre that they might like and watch all the time
because it's really good.

It's total bullpoo to say that Babylon 5 is cashing in on TNGs 
success.  How many soap operas, cop shows, detective shows, game
shows, news shows and talk shows are there???  If B5 turns out
to be half as good as the best SF shows that have existed then
it could be pretty good and I would still watch the show and
praise the creators.  If the show becomes classic material then
I will be all the more ecstatic.

Condemn all the stupid creators of inane existing shows that were
even lame upon conception.  History has shown that it's really
tough to do an SF show right.  If B5 seems to be striving for that
at least from what I read (and holy mackeral.....it *sounds*
amazing so far) then all I can say is hope for the best and
in some small way perhaps supply moral support for the
creators who seem to be posting here (??)

ferenc



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From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (Two days and a wake-up...)
Subject: Re: Science Fiction Channel
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 08:39:50 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.160449@IASTATE.EDU>, wehumble@IASTATE.EDU (Ed Humble) writes...

} Geeze!   Isn't ANYONE'S cable company carrying the SF network?  

As far as I know, my carrier (Nashoba Cable in Massachusetts) is carrying
it. They were planning to even back before USA bought the SFC.

-- 

	"She's my radiation baby.
	 She's my teenage fallout girl."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com
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From: grinstea@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (GRINSTEAD CARL FRANK)
Subject: Buck Rogers (was Re: Psyched for Babylon 5) 
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:07:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.194229.16018@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> jeffery@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (JEFFERY ERIC ROBERT) writes:
>>I wait with the same skepticism that I have for DS9 or any other TV SF
>>series.  Guess I got burned by Buck Rogers as a child.
>>
>What do you mean, Buck Rogers was a classic- I loved it and Erin Grey, ooo!
>
What do *you* mean, every time I see one of those reruns I cringe!
CG



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From: lorenh@hpcvra.cv.hp.com (Loren Heisey)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 21:53:03 GMT
Subject: Bradbury episode guide update
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA