HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu (Tuya)
Subject: SCC Opium War (Re: Patriotism ..)
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:13:55 GMT


------------------------------- Message Contents -------------------------------
          Now that the first "Opium War" in the history of the scc has
          started, I must throw my bombs.  Learning from Mr. Lu
          Gang, my bombs are without targets, it is aimed at the
          general public :-).

          Because I like luan4 (mess).  So-called:

          Tian1 xia4 da4 luan4, tian1 xia4 da4 zhi4.

          Proposition 1.  Patriotism is a nutreul thing, just like the
          atomic bombs.

              So it makes no sense to discuss whether it is good or
          bad.

          Proposition 2.  It does make sense who uses partriotism and
          how it gets used.

              When used by Yue4 Fei1, it creats a hero.  When used by
          Qin2 Hui4 (Correct me Lix, and the "3 qin2" xue2 pai4), it
          kills a hero.  When used by Shannon Yeh, it created ugly
          chinese handwritings which I have suggested him to stop
          making but he failed to accept.

          Proposation 3.  The correct way to use patriotism is always
          use it toward your advantage, just like the way you use a
          huo2 ban1 zi3.

              So in the following situations, you should use it:

              1.  When you need to find a reason to support MFN;

              2.  When you need to find a reason not to support MFN;
              3.  When you don't want to go back to china;
              4.  When you want to go back to China;

          You see what I mean, "yun4 yong4 zhi1 miao4, cun2 hu1 yi4
          xin1."  When you apply my theory, pls ling2 huo2 zhang3 wo4.

          Tu Ya
From: jlam@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Lord Automato)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: To Lu Gang
Date: 10 Nov 1992 11:32:03 +1100
Organization: University of Melbourne
Distribution: world
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Keywords: To the helpless and the mighty


In article <1992Nov8.023708.2603@marlin.jcu.edu.au>, phsj@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Su Jianfeng) writes:
|> In article <1d9ambINN875@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> xh@stereo.csl.uiuc.edu (Xiao Ping Hu) writes:
|> >			To Lu Gang
|> 
|> If he had a job he wanted, he would not make those mistakes.  He was not
|> a lucky one.
|> 
|> 
|> J Su
|> 

There are millions who haven't got a job they wanted.

Lin Can
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang)
Subject: Re: Some questions. (Re: Be a respectable Chinese.  Zi Zun, Zi Ai.)
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 16:50:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.192056.8944@src.umd.edu>,jsxie@eng.umd.edu (Jingshong Xie)
writes:
>
>shicheng@wam.umd.edu (Shicheng Jiang) writes:
>>
>>Dear Sir, I do think you need do something with your judgement now. In my last
>>posting I said in this universe there is only one Judge, who is God. 10,000
>>years later, the concepts of US government and Chinese government will be
>>meaningless. But human rights, righteousness and peace are forever.
>>
>
>Which God you believe ? God of Christian? Buddhist not just trust human right,
>they trust existence right.And, does it mention the term "human right" in
>Bible? It shouldn't be,otherwise how to explain the Crusade, selling slave
>to America, ravaging native American Indian... (Not to mention what happen
>in China this 150 years) 
>
>Try to open your mind.Maybe after only 200 years, the man-made more-perfect-
>than-human-brain artificially intellegent product will come out. So, the
>term "human right" will become nonsense again.
>
>You see, no principle is perfect to be a principle.
>
>Jingshong Xie
>
This argument hears like Mr. Yuan Mu's. No wonder Chinese authority does not
respect its citizens, because some of its citizens do not think they need to
be respected, they think they are equal to computers. Totally tasteless.

Anyway, Mr. Jingshong Xie does believe in materialism, so do most Chinese.
That's due to their education provided by CCP and Confucius culture.

There is an old saying reads:

          Ren2 Zhe3 Jian4 Ren2,
          Zhi4 Zhe3 Jian4 Zhi4.

(By the way, how to translate this into English? Any netter knows please tell
me. Thank you in advance.)

So, Da4 Jia1 Hao3 Zi4 Wei2 Zhi1.


--Shicheng

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chuan@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee)
Subject: Re: [week] when does a week start
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 02:09:09 GMT

In article <BxEqpt.6KJ@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> achen@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (achen) writes:
>In article <1992Nov8.104414.15300@u.washington.edu> chuan@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee) writes:
>>In article <!dA=+C+@engin.umich.edu> hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
>>>
>>>(3) Chinese officals don't like the idea of Christanity.
>>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(chuan's underline)
>>
>>But I thought the Bible says that God rested AFTER he created what-have-you
>                                       ^^^^^^
>>on the previous 6 days.  
>
>Thus proving that the Christian "God" is not all mighty since
>an omnipotent God would not need to rest.
>
>American children are taught these days the phrase
>     "Just say NO!"  when drug dealers approach them.
>
>Similiarly, Chinese students and scholars should ...
>
>     "JUST SAY NO!"
>
>when approached by Christian missionaries.
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (chuan's underline)
I am not even closed or worthy to be one.  But that is another matter.

Do you know how to argue and follow the thread?  Please don't take
things out of context.  I brought up the subject of God and Bible (two
forbidden words on the net?)  was because someone suggested that the
Chinese calendar was wrong because "Chinese officals don't like the
idea of Christanity".  I gave a counter argument that if he insisted
Christanity had a role in the calendar design, then the Chinese
calendar was indeed a Christian idea.  I used the word "rest" (as you
underlined) because I wanted to link the idea of not-working-day,
Sunday, and the 7th day with it, which proved that "a week doesn't
start with a Sunday".

Okay, enough for this "Christian preaching", which certain people
insisted that it was!

Back to the thread.  I like the idea of naming the weekdays as
'Weekday1', 'Weekday2', etc. like the Chinese do.  It is intuitive
(at least for me).  Have you seen the calendar from other countries?
Say Vietnamese calendars.  Their 'Monday' is called 'Weekday2', 
'Tuesday' called 'Weekday3', ..., 'Saturday' called 'Weekday7', but
'Sunday' is still 'Sunday'.  Now, THAT is confusing!  (But to be fair,
Vietnamese call the first as number 2, e.g. brother 2, sister 2, etc.
So in fact their '2' is equivalent to the Chinese '1'.)

Chuan Lee
U of Washington, Seattle.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: What a joke! (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:43:47 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.190017.15783@ultb.isc.rit.edu> jwr7133@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.W. Rambeau) writes:
>Hello netter,
>
>      My grammar has errors that one reason, I am deaf person.  I has
>hard time to learn in English grammar, but I am good at reading and
>write word by word.  In fact: Most of deaf people has problem with
>English.  If English is your second language, you may has problem
>with English.  I learned sign language when I was young, but I learn
>English later.  English is my second language.  I can't speak any
>language.  If grammar is error, then sound will be funny.  I can't hear
>anything.
>
>      I hope you will understand this message.  I don't worry about the
>grammar.  I am worry about communication with someone.  :-)
>
>Have a nice day!
>Your friendly user,
>Jeramey Rambeau  (Male)
>

I'm glad you that have clarified one thing, which confused me too.

As long as we can understand what you were saying, the grammar
problem was not crucial. 

I also have grammar problems. :-{}

Nice to hear your opinions.

Have two great days! :()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: chen@haydn.ee.uec.ac.jp (Chen Jie)
Subject: Re: Soccer, Asian Cup, Results of Nov.3
Organization: University of Electro-Communications, Chofu, Tokyo, JAPAN
	<4NOV199214373897@rigel.tamu.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:18:35 GMT

 >In article <CHEN.92Nov4184823@haydn.ee.uec.ac.jp>, chen@haydn.ee.uec.ac.jp (Chen Jie) writes...
 >> 
 >>Let's share the good news that China team has gotten
 >>the right to enter the semifinals.
 >> 
 >>On 2 Nov. two games held in group B, China won Qatar with 2:1
 >> 
 >>China will face against Japan or UAE at 4:00pm (japan time) on 6 Nov.
  
After I post that message, the opponent against China 
was decided to be Japan.

 >What do you mean by the word "or" here? It doese not make any sense. China
 >will play one of them, but who? Do you know what kind of tie break they will
 >use to decide or just by coin flip :) ?

Right, it used a coin flip.

China will play with Japan at 4:30 pm Nov.6 (japan time).

Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:30408 talk.politics.china:2679
From: 5546yuj@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: What do we Chinese celebrate? (Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?)
Date: 13 Nov 1992 23:57:31 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
Reply-To: 5546yuj@vms.csd.mu.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu

In article <Bxnv84.54n@cs.psu.edu>, jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu) writes:
>
>In article <BxH0vK.HCE@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>>We poor Chinese don't have anyone else to celebrate. 
>
>We were used to cheer for Mao Zedong, but we reallized that it is one of
>the reasons of CR. So we wouldn't cheer too much to any person.
>
>However, we do have a lot to celebrate. 
>We celebrate the successful launching of AsiaSat and AuSat. (sp?)
>We celebrate the winning and progress of Chinese team in Asia Games and 
>	Olympic games.
>We celebrate Xie Jun's queen position in the international chess game.
>We celebrate a completion of a railroad, a highway in China.
>We celebrate a connection of a optical fiber communication line in China.
>We celebrate the fruitful works in Beijing Electron-Positron Collider.
>We celebrate the implementation of the silicon-editing system (a software 
>	package used to design very-large-scale-integrate-circuits).
>We celebrate our economic growth.
>We celebrate import/export growth of China.
>
>We celebrate all the progress of our country, no matter how large or how 
>small a step is. Chinese people made the progress. They are heros/heroines.
>We cheer for our people.
>
>
WE HAVE CHEERED ENOUGH.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: roten@CUBA.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Roten)
Subject: Re: Refugee, America, Chinese
Organization: /cuba_b/dirbe/roten/.organization
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	<BxIruF.86M@nic.umass.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 19:26:58 GMT

In article <BxIruF.86M@nic.umass.edu> usys@titan.ucc.umass.edu 
(CLARENCE J MAZIARZ JR) writes:

>In article <92315.0931053066211@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> 
><3066211@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>     Recently I see many people talk about refugee. It seems most of 
>>them think that "refugee" is a bad word, particularly some of them even 
>>think they could humiliate others by calling them "refugee". I find 
>>this is very funny. This is not "American" at all. Read history, you 
>>will know America is a country of refugees. Most of American's 
>>ancesters were either political, religious or even simply economic 
>>refugees when they came to America. Or you may simply read the words on 
>>the Statues of Liberty. If some Chinese people become refugees, that's 
>>fine. That's simply one way to join Americans.
>>
>>    Chinese, don't be treated by the literal Chinese translation of the 
>>word "refugee".

>Why don't you say prostitutes are hard-working people and deserve your 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>respect?   
 ^^^^^^^^
>You are really beautiful, man.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Nowadays, people on SCC tend to    Xiao4  Pin2  Bu  Xiao  Chang4.

Why does such a poisonous response to such a reasonable post fail to 
surprise me ?!?!?  :-(  

The Cultural Revolution is alive and well.  You have no IDEA how much 
that knowledge hurts.  :-(  

--
Charles Roten | Hughes-STX, Incorporated | 
  roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov               | 'Use the Source, Luke!'
  7601 Ora-Glen Dr., Greenbelt, MD 20706 | 
  301-513-7805 (w),  301-317-0872 (h)    |            Obi-Wan Stallman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
From: cyc@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Yi-Chieh Chang)
Subject: Re: Bush has nothing to lose
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:15:16 GMT

In article <92310.105257PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> <PXW10@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>Fifty million people were celebrating Bush's defeat in Iraq.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Jay Leno of NBC's Tonight show said ``They must forget that Bush will still
>be president till January 93 and that Bush now has nothing more to lose''.
>
>Peter

Are you sure about this number ? Iraq's population is only 16 million.
BTW, when Reagan defeated Carter back to 1980, even more Iranians
celebrated the victory of defeating Carter.

Yi-Chieh
From: chifang@acsu.buffalo.edu (chi fang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Chinese, Are You Jealous?
Date: 6 Nov 92 02:16:28 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>In article <(~{5K6,F=~})DENG.92Nov5131249@math12.bunny.rhic.bnl.gov> deng@bunny.rhic.bnl.gov (~{5K6,F=~}) writes:
>>
>>Xiao-Lin, you may hurt yourself in whatever way you want. Please refrain
>>yourself hurting Chinese in general.
>
>Sorry if I have hurt you. But couldn't help. At least you feel hurt too.
>
it sounds cool, doesn't it? 

You know why you always hurt people, because your stuff stink.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: Re: [week] when does a week start
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 22:30:51 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

In article <1992Nov8.011435.19952@leland.Stanford.EDU> chungdan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zhong Qi Iao (Daniel)) writes:
>     [Temas pri la komenco de la semajno.]
>
>     Most people think that a week starts on Sunday, right?  They
>look at their wall calendars from China and England and the U.S.A. and
>say ah! it must start on Sunday.  But it actually starts on Monday.
>How come China is so slow in knowing it and changing its calendars?
>
>					*Zhong* Qi-Iao (Mr.)

Possible reasons:

(1) Sunday is subconsciously regard as the number '7' among many Chinese,
    1 (Monday) is smaller than 7, so Monday is the beginning.

(2) Monday is the beginning day for school and work (of which we don't very
    appreciate anyway) while Sunday is the END of fun.

(3) Chinese officals don't like the idea of Christanity.

Or did I misinterpreted your question?  I beg your pardon...

- Louis
From: xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Zhou En-lai and his characters
Date: 13 Nov 1992 21:22:32 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Nov13.195651.983@news.acns.nwu.edu>, carl_@nwu.edu  writes:
|> In article <1992Nov13.122657@IASTATE.EDU> zeng@IASTATE.EDU (Shaohui Zeng)  
|> writes:
|> > I would like to know something more about Zhou. I am impressed by the fact 
|> > that he was loved by so many people. Even Mao did not achieved this. When
|> > Zhou died in 1976, I was a child. I was curious why so many person wept for
|> > his death. My parent wept at home. I don't think this was only to show to 
|> > anybody. 
|> 
|> I don't think Chinese really loved him. They just used this event to express  
|> their unsatisfactory and anger towards the government then. I don't think a lot  
|> of Chinese have a clear idea about what a particular leader/senior government  
|> official is. Take Zhao Ziyang and Hu Yaobang for example. Many Chinese did not  
|> like them until they died or stepped down. Zhao was first attacked by students  
|> for curruption. Later, he is miraculously supported by the students and others.
|> So, it is the goverment and system that people dislike. As long as you are  
|> kicked out of that system, people start to show sympathy and support.
|> 
|> Similar things are happening in Russia too.
|> 
|> > Is it really because his unselfish that he was loved, revered ? I don't think
|> > this is the only answer. As I know, In the Red Army year, Zhou was head of 
|> > "Te4 Ke1", whose task is to execute traitors and sabotage. Nixon gave some
|> > viewpoint about Zhou in his famous book. One character of Zhou, I think there
|> > will be little doubt, is cunning.
|> > I will appreciate it if anyone can contribute more about Zhou.
|> > 
|> 
|> I feel pity for Zhou. He was abused by Mao. He lived like a dog.
|> 
|> Carl
  
   I guess Mr. Carl always likes to abuse a dog (maybe in many many ways), because
someone was abused, he then thinks that he lived like a dog. Tell the netters, 
how many dogs you have abused and how ? I guess I am closer to the point to
understand Carl.
From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IFCSS's congratulation letter to BC
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:41:07
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
	<PWU.92Nov6135704@espresso.ai.mit.edu> <BxEys3.KIq@cs.psu.edu>
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In-reply-to: jyw@phys.psu.edu's message of 8 Nov 92 20:12:02 GMT

    From: jyw@phys.psu.edu (Jin-Yuan Wu)
    
    >50K-1=50K
    
    Therefor, 50K-50K =/= 0 ?

If you remove one grain of sand from a pile of sand, you still have a pile of
sand left.  If you remove the entire pile of sand, you have nothing left.
Weird?
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu (Tuya)
Subject: IFCSS, Clinton, China
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 02:15:25 GMT

          The abstract of the current situation:
                                              
          1.  Unlike Bush who likes to veto, Clinton will impose CMFN
              on China;
                                   
          2.  Make Clinton unhappy, he will cancel all greencards for
              Chinese on 6/31/1993;
                                   
          3.  Therefore the IFCSS, on behalf of the majority of CSSs'
              interest, tao4 jin4 hu1 with Clinton;
                                                   
          4.  IFCSS's attitude on CMFN, then, is a teststone to see if
              it is an opportunistic org. or an org. with principle;

          Based on the above analysis, and suppose the majority
          of people are opportunists or realistic, we have the
          following conclusion:

          a.  If you benefit from the GK Bill, you say the IFCSS can
              respresent 50k to la1 long3 Bill C.;

          b.  If you don't benefit from the GK Bill, you protest, and
              say the IFCSS cannot represent 50k to la1 long3 BC.

          The above conclusion is a jie1 ji2 fen1 xi4, it applies to
          the overall result, not individuals.  For example, some pin2
          xia4 zhong1 nong2 may married to a landlord's daughter.
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From: xiaohan@euler.Berkeley.EDU (Xiaohan Yun)
Subject: Beer and Wine
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 07:51:28 GMT


okey, now that we already talked about the taste of beef, pork and
chicken, how about another topic, let's talk about Beer
or Wine.

for me, i still like Qing-dao beer, what do you guys say? and
the big bottle Qing-Dao beer tastes better than the small bottle beer,
i think.

Xiaohan
-------------------------
"you can't live with women, pass me the beer nuts!" --- by Norm in "Cheers"


oops, guess it should be " Woman, you can't live with them, pass me the
beer nuts, please!"

i am not trrrunk yet, juuuuust a littall bit  ssleeepy.
From: John Nides, Louisa Coen <asia2@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Date: 10 Nov 92 22:34 PST
Subject: Chinese nationals deported to Chin
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1472500015:000:525
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!asia2    Nov 10 22:34:00 1992


  
Netters:  An American lawyer I know is defending a Chinese client
who is accused of committing a felony.  If the Chinese national
is convicted in the U.S. court, it's likely that once her visa
expires, she will be deported out of the U.S. back to China.  
  
Do you know of any cases of anyone deported back to China,
especially after being convicted of a crime in the U.S.?  What
happened?  Did the deported person get into trouble with the Chinese
government?  

Thank you for your reply to this e-mail address.  Diana.
From: spejl@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr Jin Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Anniversary for the Halloween Tragedy in University of Iowa
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:38:05 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.china
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway


  From: pwu@ai.mit.edu (Peng Wu) article:
	I think it is fair to say that CND violated a basic rule of
journalism (I am
| I think it is fair to say that CND violated a basic rule of journalism
(I am
|not talking about supermarket tabloid journalism) on the lu gang
article: do
|not use unconfirmed information unless it is so labeled.  And there is
no
| reason not to confirm in this case.  Wish them do better next time.

      This is complete nonsense.  How can any one check every details 
before publish a article, especially CND-CM which is orgnised by the
people who are volunteers?  By the way, CND editor mentioned before
the article that this article is only a refrence for readers, you should
make you own judge.
      If you cann't make you own judgement, go to see your Doctor.
From: xiaofei@acsu.buffalo.edu (XiaoFei Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: [ answer ] How is IFCSS's president elected?
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:33:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.BxHB42.1IG
Organization: UB

The election precedure of the IFCSS president is VERY similar to 
the US president election. 

First US president election: each state chooses electors who will
vote for the voters in the state. These electors will meet and cast
votes in December in Washington DC. The votes from the electors are
called electoral votes. The popular votes may be different than the
electoral votes, which happened to the 11th and 29th presidents. 

The IFCSS president election: each school chooses electors who will 
vote for the voters in the school. These electors will meet and cast
votes in the IFCSS conference. There is no manpower to calculate the
popular votes so they are usually unknown.

[ School = the Chinese Students and Scholar Association in the school. ]

This year, Bill Clinton only receives 43% of the popular votes and only
54% of people voted. I wonder if Bill Clinton only represents 43% times
54% = 23% of Americans. 

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From: math1pf@elroy.uh.edu (Zheng, Ping)
Subject: Re: test
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:31:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.052443.4902@nuscc.nus.sg>, engp2030@nusunix1.nus.sg (WU HU) writes...
> 
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