HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: laforce@xenon.arc.nasa.gov (Soren LaForce)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: traffic rules (was: Hints on commuting by bike?)
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:50:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <12hnx0_.tomk@netcom.com>, tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes...
>I think you guys are responding to the wrong thing. There is
>no question that an adult riding on the correct side -- _with_
>traffic -- is the reasonable and proper thing to do.
> 

Stuff deleted

> 
>I don't have the figures with me right now, but the transportation
>book I had showed bike accidents broken into three groups: Those
>under 16, those between 16 and 21, and adults. Suprisingly only some
>40% or so involved children and a full _46%_ were adults!!! So
>over half of all bicycle accidents, contrary to other reports, were
>adults or young adults. And roughly half of those reportable bicycle
>injuries were single vehicle accidents.

This would be meaningful if the breakdown of rider population were 
included.  If 95% of the riders are over 21, one can expect most 
accidents to involve adults.  Without the population breakdown, 
the numbers convey no useable information.

> 
>Furthermore, there were on the order of 850 fatalities each year
>from bicycle accidents vs. the 50,000 per year in auto accidents.

Same comment.  Normalize the numbers to miles driven.  You list 
about 60 times more auto fatalities per year than bicycle fatalities.
Considering that there are probably much more than 60 times the number
of auto miles driven (and more relevently, much more than 60 times
the number of auto hours driven) the bike satistics don't look too good.

>So one would probably assume that there isn't too much wrong with
>present adult education of children in the proper usage of
>bicycles. After all, there are more people killed each year by
>bathroom accidents.

THIS one would NOT assume that.

> 

I ride bikes.  I drive cars.  Both populations have lots of idiots.
I do not fear for my life anywhere near as often in the car.  
Unfortuneately, I generally see much worse behavior (on average) from 
cyclists than from car drivers.

Regarding the correct/incorrect side of road question, several points:

The physics are against you riding on the wrong side, increased closing
speed and a car, if they do see you, cannot just slow down to remove the 
possibility of collision.

The real problem I see with wrong side riding is that you are going
to appear where you have NO business being.  I mean, forget the law, car
drivers just aren't expecting you at intersections, driveways, etc.

It is critically important to be predictable when you drive.  The vehicle
codes should take a lesson from maritime law (when you have right of way
on the water, you are REQUIRED to maintain course and speed!).




--Soren            laforce@xenon.arc.nasa.gov
From: truesdel@ics.uci.edu (R. Scott Truesdell)
Subject: Re: Bicycle polo?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 29 Aug 92 15:03:35 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc

In article <1992Aug28.232135.17174@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson
Minar) wrote:
>
> does anyone have any information on playing polo on a bicycle?

Bicycle polo has been revived at various mountain bike festivals around the
country. It is played on full-sized mountain bikes. There is a currently
active association.

If you call Rim Cyclery in Moab, Utah, for information on the Moab Fat Tire
Festival taking place the last week of October, they will send you a
festival newsletter which, besides having descriptions of group rides and
registration info, includes a couple of articles on bicycle polo and the
name and address of the national association. This is the best pointer I
can give for now (until I get my Moab FTF newsletter...)

  --scott
Xref: sparky rec.bicycles.misc:154 rec.bicycles.tech:107
From: jciccare@adobe.com (John Ciccarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech
Subject: Re: Cycling Gives Me A Neck Ache -- Recommendations??
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:41:26 GMT
Reply-To: jciccare@adobe.com (John Ciccarelli)
Organization: Adobe Systems, Mountain View, CA

This thread doesn't belong on rec.bicycles.soc.  
Please stop cross-posting followups.

Thanks,
-- 
John Ciccarelli    Internet: jciccare@mv.us.adobe.com       | BIKE    ,_C
415-962-6677       UUCP:     {sun|decwrl}!adobe!jciccare    |  TO   _=\_<,
Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston, Mt View, CA, USA 94039-7900 | WORK (*)/'(*)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: karen@athena.mit.edu (Karen E. Walrath)
Subject: Re: Hybrid Bikes?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 02:21:50 GMT

>In rec.bicycles.misc, article <1992Aug26.202808.18186@cis.ohio-state.edu> <1992
>writes:
>
>>I have considered getting a hybrid but I'm wondering how it will
>>impact my riding with others who use road bikes on long rides (e.g.,
>>20-50 miles).  I am a non-competetive rider and enjoy the country
>>routes, where sometimes the road is rough.  My riding companions
>>average around 15-17 mph, and I can just keep up.  If I switch to a
>>hybrid, will I notice a big difference in my ability to keep up?
>
I commute on a hybrid.  It is easier to control in traffic because you 
are not hunched over drops.  The only thing I would change for longer
rides is to have some sort of bar extensions that give me more varied
hand positions.  This is lacking on standard mountain bike type bars.
I also use more aggressive tires in the winter (700cx35), while in the
summer I put on 700cx28 road tires.

Karen Walrath
MIT



Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: Frequency of flats
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 15:22:54 GMT

In article <ZX85PB2w165w@toz.buffalo.ny.us> augy@toz.buffalo.ny.us
(Jeffrey Ehlinger) airs it out: 
>
>... I recently bought 27 x 1 1/4" tires made by Schwinn. Since then I
>have had two inner tubes become flat. 

Durability is one problem I had with the Schwinn Passage tires I
junked.  I think part of your problem is the Schwinn tires.

A good replacement for me has been Continental SuperSports in
27 x 1 1/8 or 27 x 1 1/4.  I have not had a single flat on my commuter
with the current Contis in 4000 km that was caused by road debris.  I
did have a pinch flat when I was inattentive and didn't get my fat "&"
out of the saddle as I rode across Bissonnet Canyon on the way home
one day.

>The hole is big enough that I can not take a 10 mile ride, without it
>deflating to the point of uncomfort. ...

If you are not re-flatting the tire every time, I would think it is
improperly patched or has another puncture you did not catch on the
first patch.  Remove the tube and check for leaks in a bucket
of water.  A properly patched tube should not deflate any more than an
unpunctured tube.  

The tube should last with pathces until the patches start to overlap.
That's sort of an exageration to say that patching should not limit
the true life of the tube.




-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: jsweeney@geppetto.encore.com (Joe Sweeney)
Subject: Re: NEW vitus 979 57cm blue w/warrantee
Organization: Encore Computer Corp.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 16:13:09 GMT

pardo@cs.washington.edu (David Keppel) writes:

>>In article <BtJz3I.J2L@rice.edu> shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry) writes:
>>>Oh, joy.  It starts.  This is at least the 3d misposted-by-group

>If you're anal about reading every article, you're already reading all
>the newsgroups, and you're not missing anything by reading something
>that's been mis-posted.


Doesn't anybody us 'nn' (no-news-is-good-news or not-news)?  You get a 
menu of the posted articles, you mark the ones you want to read, after
you mark them, it goes to read mode, the rest get trashed...

Joe
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com (Rich Petty)
Subject: Re: collarbone rehab??
Reply-To: rpetty@mu.enet.dec.com (Rich Petty)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:39:43 GMT

--rich---
	Congratulations on your first broken bone! I broke my collar bone in a
skiing
accident some years ago, and I can't believe your even thinking of
moving that arm,
let alone put weight on it. Was your break a hair-line fracture, or a
compound fracture?
In the case of a hair-line, you might be out riding before the eight
weeks. a compound
fracture will take (of course) longer. As far as workouts, I'd
concentrate on legs for a 
while. My break was a spiral fracture, and because I didn't want to have
them pin the
bone, I have one shoulder that is about 1 inch shorter than the other.
No ill effects, 
except I had to modify my golf swing. How do you feel today? My guess is
pretty sore
after the pain killers wore off.

		Happy Healing

			Rich
sig. under construction.........................
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson)
Subject: Hints on commuting by bike?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:30:47 GMT

The place I work doesn't have a shower or locker room, but I still want to
commute by bicycle. Are any of you in the same situation? If so, how do you
handle it?  Do you ride dressed for work or do you change in the bathroom?
How do you handle being sweaty from the ride?

Thanks in advance,
Matt
-- 
Matt Garretson                       :-)                          garrem@rpi.edu
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson)
Subject: Re: Hybrid Bikes?
Reply-To: miket@unislc.UUCP (Michael Thompson,B2C04,4560)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:41:04 GMT

In article <0095FB9F.ECCFC920@convax.iar.nrc.ca> brinskelle@convax.iar.nrc.ca writes:
>In rec.bicycles.misc, article <1992Aug26.202808.18186@cis.ohio-state.edu> <1992
>writes:
>
>>I have considered getting a hybrid but I'm wondering how it will
>>impact my riding with others who use road bikes on long rides (e.g.,
>>20-50 miles).  I am a non-competetive rider and enjoy the country
>>routes, where sometimes the road is rough.  My riding companions
>>average around 15-17 mph, and I can just keep up.  If I switch to a
>>hybrid, will I notice a big difference in my ability to keep up?
>
>No you will not notice a big difference, so YES buy a hybrid!!!  I used to
>own both a 12-speed racing bike and a mountain bike,  but unless you are a
>very intensive rider then you will not get maximum return from the mountain
>bike, and unless you only ride on paved roads you won't get max. return
>from a racing bike.  But if you're like 95% of us and take a few shortcuts
>across dirt paths/sidewalks/parks/etc..., then you'll enjoy a hybrid.


I agree. I've been riding a hybrid since the first of the year and have 
not been sorry I purchased it and sold the old 12 speed.  I am strictly
a recreational rider who puts in about 100 miles per week, primarily on 
roads.  I'm convinced that unless you are a racing snob (no insult intended)
or a hard core mountain biker, a hybrid is the way to go.  They are more
comfortable, IMHO, to ride and I have never had trouble maintaining an 
average speed of between 18-22 mph on flat ground.


      
Mike Thompson                 |    It's true, forgiveness IS easier
Unisys UNIX Systems Group     |    to get than permission. ;-) 
unislc!miket                  |              -----------
miket@unislc.slc.unisys.com   |    My employer is profoundly grateful
                              |    that I speak only for myself.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: zstern@adobe.com (Zalman Stern)
Subject: Re: painful groins - relief needed
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 09:02:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.073542.10874@marlin.jcu.edu.au>  
glpal@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Piers Larcombe) writes:
[Discusses sore groin problems.]
> (I heard somwhere that stuffing ripe bananas down the trousers
>   provided lubrication _and_ a meal for emergencies!.  |:)   ) 
Actually, I thought that was a technique used by the "out to pickup 'Lycra  
Babes'" crowd...

I've read that one key is to avoid bacterial problems by washing well with  
some sort of antibacterial soap before and after riding. You can also get  
allergic reactions to detergents used in washing your shorts. I always wash  
mine out in the shower rubbing the chamois with normal bath soap and rinsing  
well. A couple of iterations seems to work well.

Part of it is also getting used to sitting on the saddle and getting the fit  
right. Through adjustment (both physical and mechanical) my butt and my bike  
have come to a mutual understanding eliminating most of the pain of being in  
the saddle. (I can ride 50+ miles and sit down afterwards anyway :-)) Now if  
I can get my legs and knees to shape up all will be well.
--
Zalman Stern		   zalman@adobe.com		    (415) 962 3824
Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900
  "Yeah. Ask 'em if they'll upgrade my shifters too." Bill Watterson
From: rgo@druhi.att.com (Ron Olsen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Riding a MTB in sand
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:15:00 GMT
Reply-To: r.g.olsen@att.com
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Denver CO

|> I had a suggestion from someone that I should try to control the squirm, once I
|> start to squirm it goes where ever the sand takes it. I've tried to control the
|> squirm but I usually end up stalling or digging myself in deeper.

MTB sand-riding tips:

1. Lower tire pressure - 20 to 25 psi.
2. Fatter tires - 2.2" to 2.5" width are best.
3. Weight a little back - let the front tire surf and not dig in.
4. Use a low gear (1st or 2nd) and keep pedaling at all costs.
5. Actively saw the handlebars back and forth when
   the bike starts squirming; don't try to control the squirm.
6. Keep your speed up when entering a sandy stretch; momentum helps.

	Ron Olsen
	Boulder, Colorado
	r.g.olsen@att.com
From: sutton@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Rich Sutton)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: collarbone rehab??
Date: 28 Aug 92 08:04:06 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

hi, everyone. i just broke my collarbone this evening. the doctor
says it takes 8 wks to mend, BUT:

	> how long off the road is advisable? (don't plan on crits,
	just some nice flat tt'ing at 1st. i'm not that stupid!!)
	one local won his 1st cat iii race 5 wks after breaking
	his.

	> what to do in the interim for workouts? i'm interested
	in making it as bike-specific as possible.
	i'm going to see if i can borrow a turbo trainer, but in
	case i can't scare one up what
	else is good for working out? some lower-body wgt. machines?
	stairmaster? lifecycle?

	> how permanent is the injury? once i'm healed can i expect
	things to be good as new or nagging?

	> once out of the brace should i do anything to help the shoulder?
	massage? weights? stretching?

my 1st broken bone, so far it just seems like a notch up from a sprained
ankle. not too debilitating, just a nuisance. hopefully i'll feel the same
way tomorrow after the soreness sets in.

I AM SO HAPPY I HAD MY HELMET ON!

-rich
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ellisond@rtsg.mot.com (Dell H. Ellison)
Subject: Re: My Pants Leg is Dying...
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 05:51:23 GMT

cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:
>..my right pants leg, to be specific.  I have a Trek 800 City/Trail 
>Bike, and I ride it all the time.  Unfortunately, the chain and   
>sprocket keeps catching and chewing up my right pants legs.  Is there
>anything I can do to prevent this?

When I was a kid, we used to use a rubber band of course.
(I was a paper boy.)
From: cholette@JSP.UMontreal.CA (Cholette Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: r.b.mtb???????????????????????????????????
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:19:49 GMT
Organization: Universite de Montreal


 What about rec.bicycles.mtb???  ('nuf said!)

Michael Bertrand, TKE, KX.
Share the Trails... Peace on Dirt!
cholette@jsp.umontreal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: Re: Saddle sores
Reply-To: dahls@fhydra.dnet.unit.no (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Distribution: rec.bicycles.misc
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 14:48:41 EDT

Thus spoke the keyboard of hoppe@cs.cornell.edu (Bruce E. Hoppe):
>My best cure for chronic saddle sores was to use real chamois shorts,
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Real shorts with real chamois are really hard to find! Do they still
exist, or do they belong to the past?

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: fraser@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fraser Wilson)
Subject: Re: leg shave shacks
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:34:08 GMT

varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel) writes:

>I have been told that "the hair grows back longer" is a myth.

It must be.  I haven't noticed any difference at all.

Fraser.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: samjones@carina.unm.edu (Pipps the Odious Mr.)
Subject: Re: Philadelphia gets bicycle cops.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 21:41:12 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Keywords: Yay!

In article <Aug.26.19.04.58.1992.14183@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>Well, the local paper here [south Jersey] ran an AP article on Philadelphia's
>new bicycle police unit... just the facts:
>
	Albuquerque has four bicycle cops (one is dating my neighbor, so 
they're around my house a lot).  I was skeptical at first, but it seems 
to be doing well.  Like Philidelphia, we started with four, but I heard 
we're training eight more.
	If bike police are doing well here, they must work well
anywhere.  Albuquerque is anything but a bike town.  They're a really
good idea in the big eastern cities.
-- 
	These opinions are not those of my employers.  In fact, they are not 
mine.  They're yours, and you're projecting them on me because you're unable to
take responsibility for your own thoughts.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: glpal@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Piers Larcombe)
Subject: painful groins - relief needed
Organization: James Cook University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 07:35:42 GMT

This has got to be a common complaint.!
OK - tropical or warm climate, 10-20 km riding every day,
Fair bit of sweating.  You get the picture.

Result = sore groin (male).

Any clues to avoid this ?  Creams etc will remove this but only
if I stop cycling, which I don't want to do.
Are those gel-filled seats any use, or are they designed
for comfort ?

(I heard somwhere that stuffing ripe bananas down the trousers
  provided lubrication _and_ a meal for emergencies!.  |:)   ) 


Piers Larcombe           (piers@frank.jcu.edu.au)
Marine Geophysical Laboratory, Geology Department
James Cook University, Townsville, 4811 Australia
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson)
Subject: Mailing list info
Reply-To: miket@unislc.UUCP (Michael Thompson,B2C04,4560)
Organization: Unisys, Salt Lake City
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:40:24 GMT


I would be very appreciative if someone could supply me with phone
numbers or addresses for Specialized and/or Bike Nashbar.  I would
like to get on their mailing lists.

Thanks in advance


      
Mike Thompson                 |    It's true, forgiveness IS easier
Unisys UNIX Systems Group     |    to get than permission. ;-) 
unislc!miket                  |              -----------
miket@unislc.slc.unisys.com   |    My employer is profoundly grateful
                              |    that I speak only for myself.
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: mcr@meaddata.com (Mary Ries)
Subject: Re: HYBRID BIKES
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 16:17:43 GMT
Distribution: usa

In rec.bicycles.marketplace, article <1992Aug27.143606.20788@unislc.uucp>, miket@unislc.uucp (Michael Thompson) writes:
|> 
|> It's a cross between a road bike and a mountain bike.  The frame is not as
|> beefy as those of mountain bikes and would not stand up to the abuse one 
|> normally subjects a mountain bike to.  They generally have mountain bike 
|> type bars for a more upright riding position.  Also they are geared more
|> like a road bike than a mountain bike.
|> 
|> Personally I love mine.  I do 99% of my riding (~100 miles/week) on the road
|> but always hated racing bars; I had problems with my neck.  However I like
|> the option of having a bike that can be taken off-road when the opportunity
|> or desire strikes.  Oh yeah, the tires are also wider than a road bike but
|> not as fat as a traditional mountain bike.

I have considered getting a hybrid but I'm wondering how it will
impact my riding with others who use road bikes on long rides (e.g.,
20-50 miles).  I am a non-competetive rider and enjoy the country
routes, where sometimes the road is rough.  My riding companions
average around 15-17 mph, and I can just keep up.  If I switch to a
hybrid, will I notice a big difference in my ability to keep up?

aTdHvAaNnKcSe!

_______________________________________________________________________
Mary Ries            | Die, v.:                     | Software Engineer
mcr@meaddata.com     |    To stop sinning suddenly. | Mead Data Central
..uunet!meaddata!mcr |           -- Elbert Hubbard  | Dayton, Ohio




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From: choy@skorpio.usask.ca (I am a terminator.)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Wheel truing I need advice
Date: 25 Aug 92 22:14:51 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

In article <1992Aug25.200946.15374@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Richard.Banks@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Richard Banks) writes:
|> 
|> I need both my front and rear wheels trued on my 18-speed 26 in.
|> Mountain Bike.  The bike shop charges $4.00 per wheel to do this.
|> Is this reasonable?  Are there any home methods that I can use that
|> will be effective?  Thanks.
|> 
|> --
|>    The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
|>      North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
|>         Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
|>            internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80

$4? Sounds ok. They got the expertise to make your wheels nice, round, and
flat. Consider the worst case analysis of the procedure. You have to take
the tire and tube off. You have to suspend the bike or put the wheel on a
fork. You have to measure the quality. You turn the wheel to see where it
falls out of the straight and narrow. Spokes are supposed to be in tension
so you adjust the tension of the spokes nearest the dent to pull the rim
back in place or to prevent the rim from being pulled out of place. It's a
balancing act done by turning the nuts holding the spokes to the rim. You
check to see if the wheel is round. If it's flat, squashed, or deformed,
you have to balance again. After this is all said and done, you check to
see if any spokes are poking past the rim and file off anything that can
hurt your tube. Put the tube and tire back on before you ride.

Henry Choy
choy@cs.usask.ca