HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: EP.LLD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lara)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: what's the deal?
Date: 12 Nov 1992 17:19:13 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <1duqghINNslk@ub.d.umn.edu>,
kmalmber@ub.d.umn.edu (kenneth malmberg) writes:
>Alright I AM new...but what's the deal with this Flamage stuff.  It sure
>doesn't sound real nice.

 ... it isn't very nice, and it's especially not pretty for somebody
new to have to look at it. actually, it's not very pretty to any of
us at all.  i remember when i first came on here, waaaaaaaay back in
august of, was it '92 ... was it THAT long ago ??? ... anyway,
sonny, there was this flame war about smoking (cigarettes :) inside
non-smoking venues.  boy, you could see the flames from skyline
drive, it got really hot in here.

  ... but eventually it died out, as this will, too.  just hang in
there, use your fingernails AND your teeth if necessary (we won't
tell your mom :) ... this group really is worth spending time in if
we all be patient and give back to it as good as we get from it.

end of peace speech for today :)

yep, there WILL be more tomorrow ...

lara
-<-@
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: kstox@admips2.Berkeley.EDU (Ken Stox)
Subject: Re: Best Dead cover band yet.
Reply-To: kstox@admips2.Berkeley.EDU (Ken Stox)
Organization: AC Nielsen Co.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 17:14:12 GMT

Wow,
	I had completely forgotten about the Volunteers. What a great band!!
I remember hauling all the way from north Jersey to Amityville LI to see these
guys. On the same note, does anyone remember "Bear's Choice?" They were
another hot cover band around the same time.

-- 
===============================================================================
Ken Stox 	Consultant to A.C. Nielsen	kstox@naitc.com

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From: bs810@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (D. Eric Nay)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: I'm back
Date: 12 Nov 1992 03:23:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Welcome back! :-) :-) :-)
-- 
It left a smoking crater of my mind I'd like to blown away
From: chris@ucselx.sdsu.edu (lemaire c)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Best Dead cover band yet.
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:35:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucselx.1992Nov11.193554.5344
Organization: SDSU Computing Services

In article <92316.105828ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu> ADB103@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>understatement.  I cant think of one dead tune they dont know--Think of the
>most obscure Dead tune you can think of --they do it.  On top of it all,
>this is a polish band-every thing sounds very authentic.  The bassist plays

Well, there's always one in the crowd! Two of my favorite Dead albums,
Europe '72 and SYF, are perhaps the two most unpolished albums ever 
done by the band. I like those ragged/jagged edges of the olden days.

I get a kick out of the thought of a polished dead cover band, and
authentic sounding to boot! Does that mean they have their own style?
Or are they polished because they do it all note_for_note. Does
a dog get tired chasing his tail? Do spinners ever get dizzy! Will
Joe Hack and Neil Diamond meet Godzilla?  

Not a flame, just feeling like a fly in the ointment.
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: ajax@well.sf.ca.us (Randy Alan Jackson)
Subject: Re: Dead cover bands
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:49:40 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.163310.1869@uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU> reb@ingres.com writes:
>| By the way, I have
>|to say this SOLAR CIRCUS SUCKS.  They are hands down the worst bunch of no
>|talents I have ever seen.  Why RELIX chose to put so much money behind them
>|is beyond me.  
>
>AMEN to that!  Why people insist that they are so wonderful I'll never
>know, but to each his own...
>					reb


	All right, when I saw the first one I said,let it pass,
	but I can't let it happen twice.

	IMHO you are both suffering from a cranial-rectal inversion ;-)

	These guys are fantastic! Iv'e seen them about 50 times in the
	north-east and I've never been dissapointed. They have a
	new album out on Relix called "Step Right Up" and will be
	playing at wetlands on Nov 28. Check them out if you get
	a chance!

	BTW, if either of you have not seen Solar Circus since
	March of this year , there have been some lineup changes
	and I think they sound better than ever.

	I'll take these guys hands down over Phish any day! 

	randy 

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: thompson@glueball.hep.nd.edu ()
Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel.....
Organization: University of Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 19:13:35 GMT

patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy) writes:
>> A friend for some reason ;-), had sent me these lyrics.  I don't have any
>> Peter Gabriel on disc yet.  Maybe I need to pick this one up?
>> 
>> Not One Of Us
>> -------------
>> 
>	DO IT... its on the third peter gabriel disc
>	(with the melted face)... also pick up the
>	security disc w/ awesome songs/lyrics (esp.
>	see *san jacinto* & *lay your hands on me*)
>

Not One of Us and San Jacinto (along with many other great tunes)
can also be found on a double-length live recording entitled
Peter Gabriel Plays Live.  I prefer live recordings, and this is
a good one.

Gabriel was also the original lead singer of Genesis (until '75 or so),
and that material is well worth a look.

>
>pjm. 

dave

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From: djw@hodgkin.mc.duke.edu (David Wendt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Bound to cover just a little more ground
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:28:30 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.


Ah, finally solved, the mystery of disappearing posters to rm.gdead.  Although Idon't post often  -my day job often precludes this- I've always looked foreward to my daily dose of rm.gdead.  The off the wall posts from the fringe thinkers combined with the sense of community and attempts at fostering a sense of understading seemed to me to be a perfect representation of the country and society of the US today.  There's always a group angry about infringed rights, another espousing the status quo (left of c








enter tho it may be in this community :-) ), another trying to dominate the rap etc, etc.  Through it all run brilliant strands of gold, tying each sector to the other and (hopefully) enlarging our understanding of the divergent (and valuable) views and issues which comprise this cyber-community.
	Months ago a tally of the :-) icons was used to determine the happiest newsgroup, (or was it friendliest), perhaps a string such as [ ;-0, :-), :-( ...]to denote the most inclusive or tolerent newsgroup would be a better thing to strive for.
	As to the exclusivity of the wheel, most societies of ideas and values  that are open, develop a process or feel that encourages participation by like minded persons.  Those who do not share those ideals usually lose interest after a while----, but like the exclusive country club, or disco (you probably wouldn't want to join anyway) those organizations that are closed attract interest for reasons compleatly unrelated to the function of the organization (usually appealing to the latent and unatractive trai








ts of jealousy, elitism, ...).  One solution would be to follow the structure of the well, open a group up to all persons but operate within agreed guidelines, (e.g. a particular subject, train of thought, hostile responses confined to e-mail, no Neal posts ...). After a while, individuals who do not gain from operating within the community norms will most often leave.   Well enough of that.
	I personally miss the posts of eagle and warfie etc, I often would print them out and send them to friends across the country who do not have net accessThe comments and banterings often brought smiles to their faces.  Although absolute freedom may require greater tolerence, I hope the freedom to form cyber-communities will lead to greater depth in some areas (enhancing the richness for all) , and not a balkanization and regression to enclaves which refuse to share and communicate with each other.

						David
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: jxr1092@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Jens Rodenberg)
Subject: Re: Dead Citing
Reply-To: jxr1092@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:02:21 GMT

Michael Robert Gsell writes:

>Did anyone catch the Deadhead Insurance skit on the Ben Stilling's Show last
>night?  It was rather humorous.                         ^^^^^^^^
                                                         Stiller

   Yeah, it was... it first showed a clean-cut insurance salesman in a suit
saying something to the effect of wanting to relate to customers and understand
their needs, then it shows the same guy haging out (and looking like)
tourheads.  The ending quote was pretty good: "it's a lot of work, and the
funny thing is, I'm not a big fan of their music, but I have to admit, it's
growing on me... after 400 shows it had better!"  He did mention he had been
doing that for 2 years, so he must travel to some other dimensions to be able
to see 200 shows per year.

   BTW, that show is pretty good... usually spoofs on things...

Jens

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: spock@chirality.rsa.com (Steve Dusse)
Subject: Mail access
Organization: RSA Data Security, Inc.
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:52:48 GMT


Hi All,

Sorry if this is a FAQ.

I have a friend with e-mail access only and would like to know if any
mailing lists/digests exist for gdead news.  Please e-mail response to
me.

Thanks in advance.
-spock

From: patm@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Pat Murphy)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:52:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel.....
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead

In rec.music.gdead, DACK #1 <MAH76X@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com> writes:
> A friend for some reason ;-), had sent me these lyrics.  I don't have any
> Peter Gabriel on disc yet.  Maybe I need to pick this one up?
> 
> Not One Of Us
> -------------
> 
	DO IT... its on the third peter gabriel disc
	(with the melted face)... also pick up the
	security disc w/ awesome songs/lyrics (esp.
	see *san jacinto* & *lay your hands on me*)


pjm.
From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Mickey Sighting (SF Channel 7 News, 11/11/92)
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:51:27 GMT
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.

Yep!  The Mickster himself was featured in a story on the San 
Francisco Channel 7 (KGO?) 6 oclock news last night.  Apparently,
he's producing (or has already produced) a demo album/cassette
for the San Quentin Federal Penitentiary Gospel Choir (for those
of you not from here, San Quentin is basically halfway between
San Francisco and San Rafael, going north over the Golden Gate).

The gospel choir was also mentioned in last night's SF Examiner,
and that rag has the phone # to call to get a copy of the album.

When I go home tonight, I'll pull the paper out of the recycling bin
and bring the # to work, so email me if you're interested in this
gospel recording for whatever reason.

Pax,
============================>Robert McMullen<============================

    The opinions expressed in this message in no way reflect those of   
   ASK Computer Systems, Inc.  Flames welcome, but highly uncalled for! 

=========================>robert@askinc.ask.com<=========================
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Tom Jacobs <Tom_Jacobs@qms1.life.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Tunes after the show...
Reply-To: Tom_Jacobs@qms1.life.uiuc.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:33:42 GMT

Tunes after the show...

JAZZ.  Miles, Coltrane, Monk. I think it's a habit I picked up at the Fillmore
shows, when uncle Bobo would often pipe jazz over the PA before and after sets.
 The boyz put my head, hands and toes in a place where those sounds would synch
in just right. I'll bet Planet Drum type material would do nicely too.  Any r'n
r would sound like canned muzak.  Lately though, with less noodling and fewer
extended improvs, what I come away wanting to hear is some vintage Dead!

Of course, after tunes like 8/6/71 HTH, 11/7/71 TJED or 5/8/77 DEW, I'd feel
more like having a cigarette!  ;-b..

Tom "it must be friday" Jacobs


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: My Secret Mailing List
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:03:59 GMT


I am glad steve-too remembered his vows and did not post the super-secret
DIAMONDBACK MEMBERS ONLY MAILING LIST. you gotta have something signed
by NEIL HIMSELF to get onto this list, and its more secret than the codes
to set of nuclear war. Good work steve!

r

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: Bound to cover just a little more ground
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:15:13 GMT

In article <1du0rtINNq97@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> eds@po.CWRU.Edu (Ethan D. Siegel) writes:
>
>Please, easy on the flames.  I am not a part of the wheel, didn't
>know of its existence, but I see past the bad execution to what
>may have driven the idea and see a possible good intention.

No flame here Ethan, I'm trying to cut down on smoking:-0

But my thought here is that email was always available for these folks
to communicate privately. So why the need to establish a private list
with requirements for membership and judgement on who is good enough
to join. And it is said they had no intention to undermine r.m.gd but
in essence this is what happened by them removing themselves they
left more available space for the "signal to noise ratio" to increase
in a negative sense, instead of hanging in there and exerting more
positive input to offset the negative.

Still scratchin' my head over this one?????
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Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: PRRICE@miamiu.bitnet
Subject: Negative energy
Reply-To: PRRICE@miamiu.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:37:40 GMT

There are folks here on the net that feed on negative energy, bad karma,
Pi&&ing people off, whatever you want to call it. Let them starve.
From: Global Rivers Env Educ Network <greenxcultrl@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:48 PST
Subject: Re: Tape database
Nf-ID: #R:1992Nov10.134745.12682@alw.nih.g:-1547761171:cdp:1456400099:000:252
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!greenxcultrl    Nov 10 17:48:00 1992


Ok first time on the congference and trying to figure out what is going oon  will someone please explain to me a) who I am writing this message to...b)how I can put up a topic to be displayed and c) how cna woops can I privately write to individuals o

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: John Schulien   <U21187@uicvm.bitnet>
Subject: Post-show music
Reply-To: U21187@uicvm.bitnet
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 23:11:53 GMT

|                                A question for youall in netland.  What
| sounds can you tolerate right after a show?

"The Carl Stalling Project", a wonderful compilation of Warner Brothers
cartoon music, was nice driving-home music after the last Detroit run. :-)

Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Eric Sheehan <esheehan@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Subject: dead head
Reply-To: esheehan@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:30:54 GMT

 is dead head a edited version of dead flames?  I really like the dead-flames
 that have been coming, when will there be a dead head digest?
 is this service as quit as the hot line, concerning shows and mail order dates
 sorry i mean as quick not quit as the hot line.  keep em coming.
 can i ever post? thanks   eric
From: kmalmber@ub.d.umn.edu (kenneth malmberg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: best comes a time
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:06:08 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

no question in mind that the all-time best Comes A Time is from Richmong
Coliseum 11-1-85.  How could every one miss it?
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Tom Jacobs <Tom_Jacobs@qms1.life.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Personal to Todd Brown
Reply-To: Tom_Jacobs@qms1.life.uiuc.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 12:34:59 GMT

Personal to Todd Brown

lara writes:
|staring at "for lara, ken kesey" thanks to U!  :):):); also people
|guaranteed always to delight and amaze me are todd brown and tom
|"amorphous middle name" jacobs,

OK Todd, lay off.  She's MINE.

Tom "Net.duel! Film at 10!" J


:-)


Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: srw@cci632.cci.com (Steve Windsor)
Subject: Re: Better DEAD than a DEADHEAD!
Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 14:35:57 GMT

In article <1dc7e9INNhn0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joseph Hack) writes:
>
>[...et al, pamphlet ramblings...]
>
>May the new drug war begin with the Deadheads.  They are responsible for all
>the real problems in this country today.
>
 there's only ONE THING i have to say to you, bucko!

  have a nice day.

  q: how many deadheads are in the country?
  a: all of them.

  thanks, for the one of the more original postings i've seen here
  lately...now back to your previously scheduled program, already
  in progress...you know, it's always SOMETHING!

  odc: dead at cornell!!! yowsah!!!  what a sweet spot...

  stephen "home is where you wear your hat" windsor
From: FRAHME@esdsdf.dnet.ge.com
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Inexpensive tape deck with pitch control?
Date: 10 Nov 92 15:10:30 GMT
Reply-To: FRAHME@esdsdf.dnet.ge.com
Organization: The Internet


  Does anyone know of an inexpensive single cassette deck with a pitch
  control?  I know JVC has a dual cassette model (the 307) for $199.
  I'm hoping to find a single deck to minimize my cost, since it will be f
  or playback only.

  Also, does anyone know of a reliable and reasonalbly priced mail order house
  for audio?

  Thanx in advance.

  Chris Frahme
  frahme@esdsdf.dnet.ge.com
From: lb04@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Laura Bassi)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: One more Net-Survey
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:47:45 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1dq73fINNt0b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jose
ph Hack) writes:
>
>I'm still conducting an experiment on you guys...
>
>Do you want me to....
>
>[ ] Go away for good, never to return.
>
>[ ] Stay here and shut up.
>
>[ ] Stay here and continue to entertain you with my amazing wit.
>
>[ ] Fuck myself.
>
>Feel free to email or post your replies.

Figure out what to do for yourself.
...walk alone by the Black Muddy River...
>
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Peter Gabriel.....
From: DACK #1 <MAH76X@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 09:27:29 EST
Organization: Rohm and Haas Company


A friend for some reason ;-), had sent me these lyrics.  I don't have any
Peter Gabriel on disc yet.  Maybe I need to pick this one up?


Not One Of Us
-------------
It's only water
In a stranger's tear
Looks are deceptive
 But distinctions are clear
A foreign body
And a foreign mind
Never welcome
In the land of the blind
You may look like we do
Talk like we do
But you know how it is

You're not one of us
Not one of us
No you're not one of us
Not one of us
Not one of us
No you're not one of us

There's safety in numbers
When you learn to divide
How can we be in
If there is no outside
All shades of opinion
Feed an open mind
But your values are twisted
Let us help you unwind
You may look like we do
Talk like we do
-But you know how it is

You're not one of us
Not one of us
No you're not one of us
You're not one of us
Not one of us
No you're not one of us
From: mac@sequent.com (Cormac Burke)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Extras for Compton
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:26:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Nov10.172633.20782
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.

Looks like we've got a couple of extras for each day of 
Compton too. If you could take them off our hands (for
cost of course) please e-mail me. Thanks!
Cormac
mac@sequent.com
-- 

Cormac Burke 				
Sequent Computer Systems
mac@sequent.com
From: lenniec@ft-b.isc-br.com (Lennie Carlberg)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
Subject: Re: Compton ticket scam???
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:47:22 GMT
Organization: ISC-Bunker Ramo, An Olivetti Company

In article <92313.122401AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET> AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>Hey now,
>
>I cannot figure out what in the world is going on with Compton Terrace
>reserved seats. All I know is that ALL reserved seats were "sold out"
>within about 10 minutes on Saturday. I had friends who were waiting at
>a Dillards ticket outlet and only the first 9 or 10 people in line got
>reserved. Everyone else got general admission. A friend was at another
>location at 4:00 am. He was about the 10th person in line...general
>admission only. I decided to try to call in for tickets. I got through
>at 11:12 am and reserved seats were all gone. What gives???
>
>Ramble on,
>Rich

  I don't know, but my friend was at an outlet at 2:00am and was the 3rd
 person in line and he couldn't get them either. There maybe be some scalping
 going on there, or possible radio station promotion. 



Lennie
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: Peter.C.Thomas@dartmouth.edu
Subject: Berkeley archives
Reply-To: Peter.C.Thomas@dartmouth.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 21:15:08 GMT

hey, could anyone out there help me access the berkeley archives?
I'm no computer wizzard, but i followed the directions in FAQ and didn't get
very far.
Berkeley keeps sending me a help file that leaves more baffled than when i
started,
     thanx
you know it's gonna get stranger...
Newsgroups: rec.music.gdead
From: brown@sunspot.noao.edu (Todd Brown)
Subject: Re: Better DEAD than a DEADHEAD!-KILL
Organization: National Solar Observatory/SP, Sunspot NM, USA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 18:27:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.164045.19567@dvorak.amd.com> wwilliam@dvorak.amd.com (Wade Williams) writes:
>
>All right everyone, here is the real test for the new era of r.m.gdead.

>
><control> k    {that's ^k} right now!
>
>choose your editor and add the lines
>
>/bz206@cleveland.Freenet.Edu/a:j
>/Joseph Hack/a:j
>
>save the file and you now have a KILL file for r.m.gdead which will prevent
>you from seeing anything from or about this guy ever again.  This only
>works for 'rn' unfortunately.  Good luck for the rest.  I'm outta here.
>
>Somebody could also mail the postmaster and get this twit's new account
>revoked.
>Wade
Gee! Such intolerance, I thought we were trying to move away from this
here on the new improved r.m.gd, guess I was wrong, eh?
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