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From: an1327@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Question about groups set up to promote marijuana legalization
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.drugs
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 09:36:06 GMT



Does the government keep tabs on groups like NORML and Freedom Fighters?

What I'm also asking is by joining such groups, do I put myself at risk
of the government "keeping a closer eye on me"?
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:02:13 GMT

wisp@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Wisp) writes:
: In article <1992Dec21.205322.2451@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: 
: >As I stated, please point us to some medline documentation. I don't want
: >just statements that such cases exist - I want documentary evidence. No
: >one has, as yet, provided any. If they did exist, they would be written
: >up as medical case studies. It should be rather easy for you to provide
: >us with some citations.
: >
: >Bill
: 
: Cumulative Index Medicus, 1970-1990...

That is not a citation. Can you provide some case studies?

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
From: djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg)
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:27:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.065923.8293@cbnewse.cb.att.com> doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey) writes:
>Yup, I remember the stuff from around '75-'77.  Pronounced 'tic'.  We knew
>it was PCP.  Looked kind of like a tiny piece of somewhat dried out silly
>putty.

Oh, yeah.  That's the stuff.  Can you believe we* did that?  I only tried
it twice, but that was at least once too many.  The first time, a friend
and I snorted a dime each.  It felt like I was living in Jello -- all
movents were slow and smooth, sounds weak and indistinct.  I had almost
no tactile feelings.  At one point we went outside to do a few bong hits
(like we really needed anything more?).  I was holding the bong, and just
as we rounded the corner of the house, A. said, "Stop."  He thought he had
heard a car pull in the driveway.  Well, I stopped.  Foot in mid-air.
May have stopped breathing for all I know.  Several hours to me (a few
seconds in real-time) A. noticed I wasn't there.  Walked back around
the house and saw me.  Nearly died laughing.  I "unfroze" and we went
about our business.

*An editorial we, I don't personally know Mr. Hailey.
-- 
David J. Heisterberg (djh@osc.edu)       Hoeren Sie gut zu,
The Ohio Supercomputer Center            und wiederholen Sie!
Columbus, Ohio                             -- ALM German
From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: smoke
Date: 24 Dec 92 09:55:17 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <1h912mINNj4@network.ucsd.edu>, mbreen@sdacs.ucsd.edu (Michael Breen) writes:
> I didn't see "tc" say anything about smoking crack; perhaps he's a priest
> worried about the neighborhood kids?  A doctor doing research?  We have no
> evidence that "tc" has ever even seen crack...although "tc" does have the
> lingo down...

>>>Figure smoking a nickel to a twenty a week of highly bastardized shit rocks...
>>>so no I don't freebase 90% coke anymore, adding to the uncertainty... 

>>>-tc

That looks clear enough to me.

-- 
Alan Greig                            Janet: Alan@UK.AC.DUNDEE-TECH
Dundee Institute of Technology	   Internet: Alan@DCT.AC.UK
Tel: (0382) 308810                 Int: +44 382 308810
              -- There is only one true conspiracy --
From: bx461@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Leo J. Mauler)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Marijuana article in local paper
Date: 26 Dec 1992 08:46:27 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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mmaryo@udecc.engr.udayton.edu (Michael J Maryo (U)), writes:
>If the government spent all the money they now spend on 
>busting Mj growers on welfare reform, or homelessnes, or 
>something constructive, this country might be a little
>better to live in!  Oh well.... C'est la Vie!
 
If the goverment spent all the money they now spend on busting 
MJ growers on social programs & other constructive things, 
maybe people wouldn't be so unhappy all the time, so they 
wouldn't need the occasional escape using drugs, so MJ use 
would actually DROP.
 
Of course, if the government spent all the money they now 
spend on busting MJ growers, on more constructive things, they 
would be deprived of a vague "Public Enemy" to get their 
politicians elected.  Therefore, by the clearly defined 
boundaries of doubt and uncertainty in Congress, they're gonna 
keep on spending money to bust MJ growers instead of doing 
more constructive things...
 
-- 
Never do this at home.  Look how easily it killed this sig.
/\  ___/\  ___/\  _____________________________________________
  \/     \/     \/  bx461@cleveland.freenet.edu (Leo J. Mauler)
DISCLAIMER: Everything I say is false, including this sentence.
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From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Bill's Billy, Roger (was Re: Some anonymous posts)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 08:16:33 GMT

maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com writes:
: > 
: > I suspect, since he turned his own brother in for drug use, that he will
: > support anything involved with the WOD.
: 
: Immediately after US presidential election, I posted an article entitled
: "Clinton's Brother" or some such thing.  In yon article I described my
: impressions of Roger Clinton after seeing him interviewed by Buck Henry. 
: 
: (I'd repost the article, but I trashed it)
: 
: My impression of Roger Clinton was that he's a seriously disturbed guy, and I
: can easily believe that Roger Clinton might have been in such a state of
: addiction that intervention was necessary to save his life.  If you recall the
: Rolling Stone thread from a few months back, Clinton was quoted as saying that
: he absolutely believed that he saved his brother's life by calling the cops.  

Yeah - he probably does. That is why I posted not to expect a lessening of
the War on Truth under Clinton.

: Reality check: I'm utterly against prohibition, *but* if someone I loved was
: spiralling to hir [sic] death, I'd do whatever it took to avert such a cruel 
: fate.I'd rather have a sibling w/ a record than a headstone.  

Certainly - like, get the person to a counselor. Had Clinton tried that, before
he called the cops?

: [requoting  billn@hpcvacc]
: > I suspect, since he turned his own brother in for drug use, that he will
: > support anything involved with the WOD.
: 
: Lets start a discussion on Bill Clinton's choice for Surgeon General-- I
: believe I was the first person to inform the net that medical marijuana is 
: on the horizon because of this choice (finessing here, because I can't remember
: the prospective SG's name)-- but noone seems terribly excited.

Nope. It does nothing about the stupidity of the rest of the WOD. 

: Appointing a Surgeon General who favors legalizing medical mj does *NOT* sound
: like unyeilding support of the Wo(s)D.

I feel otherwise.

Bill
From: ahaigh@unixg.ubc.ca (Andrew B Haigh)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: >PGP Warning
Date: 24 Dec 92 05:01:53 GMT
Organization: The University of British Columbia
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca


	The best way for everyone who is using PGP encryption to avoid 
criminal prosecution for their use of the patented algorithms is to have
more people taking advantage of the privacy this allows. There is safety in 
numbers. If everyone uses PGP then there is no way anyone will get beaned for 
infringment. It would simply cost the patent holders far too much money to
prosecute everyone.

			ahaigh@unixg.ubc.ca
			PGP 2.0 key available on request
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From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Malevolessence)
Subject: Re: legalization of Britons
Organization: Multinational Corporations, Inc.
Date: 2 Jan 93 15:35:49 PST

> 
> Well since the vast majority of people take drugs everyday the problem
> would seem to me to be that of convincing Americans that some of the drugs
> which are currently illegal are not as harmful as they believe, or in some
> cases harmless or even beneficial. This is *not* an easy task. Given the
> current state of hysteria the only people who will believe this are long
> time users of these drugs who *are* the proof and few people will believe
> them. I was recently told by the best known psychiatrist in Houston, TX

	Who?  Could you give us a name for this dude?  If so, I'll tell you if
he's a fuckup or not.  Collective experience of a private high school with more
substance problems than Great Britain...

> that it is *not* unusual for people two go insane by trying LSD one time.
> This is the accepted medical wisdom. He also told me that Marijuana was
> very harmful and could make you less intelligent. I'm sure he honestly
> believes this and it does no good to call everyone who disagrees with your
> position on drug legalization stupid or conspirators of some kind. These
> are good honest people. Subtle but constant persuasion is the best. Point
> out the counter example, gently educate people to the great literature of
> psychedelic mysticism from Aldous Huxley, William Blake yes even Leary can

	To the main point of this reply:  What drugs, if any, did Blake do? 
THis is curiousity, not combat (neither is the above) because Blake farily
rocks...

> help. Don't give up but realize that things are not going to change right
> away. Pushing too hard always has the opposite effect from what the pusher
> is trying to achieve and the truth has a way of somehow coming out.
> 
> 
> --
>>>> For private correspondance, finger for my uuencoded pgp public key <<< 
> InterNet: mikeh@tenet.edu
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From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Date: 31 Dec 92 23:05:07 GMT
Organization: Ohio University Schoolf of Art. Athens

In article <1992Dec31.092114.15951@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
>: 
>: Strychnine WAS occasionally added to LSD, but USUALLY THAT CONCOCTION WAS NOT
>: SOLD AS "ACID" OR "LSD".  It was usually sold as as "THC" (which was more
>: frequently PCP, but was occasionally LSD adulterated with various substances,
>
>Are you sure about this? A pothead might buy "hash oil", but I doubt if he
>would be interested in any tab or blotter or pill being sold as THC. Remember
>that THC one of the active ingredients in marijuana. 

True, but in the 70's a lot of PCP was marketed as THC. It wasn't sold as
something a mj enjoyer would want but as some really nasty shit that only
the desperate and deranged could enjoy. The 'THC' tag was a mysterious
misnomer.
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions)
Subject: Re: PDFA members
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 18:11:32 GMT

bt26+@andrew.cmu.edu (Bartley R. Troyan) writes:

>Anybody know offhand what companies are members of the "Partnership for a Drug
>Free America"? A friend mentioned that it's probably beer companies and OTC
>drug manufacturers, which would make sense--they'd rather you drink beer
>and take aspirin than smoke pot--but I have no actual references for this.
>Pointers to any info on the subject would be greatly appreciated.

For starters, try checking out the story, "Hard Sell in the Drug War",
by Cynthia Cotts, published in the March 9, 1992 issue of "The Nation
Magazine". If you can't find it, I have the article on-line and I can
mail it to you.

There was also a message posted in this newsgroup which had been forwarded
from the PEACENET which was from a NORML source which listed several
PDFA contributors. I also have that message, if you are interested.

-- 
Zack Sessions
sessions@seq.uncwil.edu
University of North Carolina at Wilmington (Alumnus)
"Good health is merely the slowest form of dying."
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From: djh@osc.edu (David Heisterberg)
Subject: Re: poppies
Organization: The Ohio Supercomputer Center
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:13:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.062603.14794@fuug.fi> an4350@anon.penet.fi writes:
>Does anyone know if commonly available varieties of poppies will produce
>usable quantities of opium? 

You mean poppies like California, Icelandic, or Oriental?  Zero, nothing,
nada.  But depending on where you live, Papaver somniferum is available.
I used to grow them.  And unless you want to put a lot of work into it,
even those don't produce usable quantities of opium!
-- 
David J. Heisterberg (djh@osc.edu)       Hoeren Sie gut zu,
The Ohio Supercomputer Center            und wiederholen Sie!
Columbus, Ohio                             -- ALM German
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From: aankrom@nyx.cs.du.edu (Anthony Ankrom)
Subject: Re: [anonymous] Re: Mescaline
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 15:47:47 GMT

In article <1992Dec19.004428.23809@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp
com (bill nelson) writes:
>ap.7511@cupid.sai.com (Anonymous) writes:
>: 
>: >: Mescaline?  I have been told that it is a synthetic form of Peyote,
or
>: >: something like that.  If this is not true, what is it made of?
>: >
>: >First off - it is highly doubtful that you had mescaline, or even syn
hetic
>: >mescaline. The usual drug is lsd - although others have also been sol
 as
>: >"mesc".
>: 
>: You love to claim this Bill, but I've taken synthetic mescaline at lea
t 20
>: times in the last 4 years.  I'm not a chemist, but chemists have told 
e it
>: is not difficult for someone with reasonable lab experience.  I've als

>: eaten peyote and taken peyote extract a number of time, and I've found
the
>: mescaline high to be recognizable as such; distinct from LSD & psilocy
in.
>
>I agree - it is relatively easy to synthesize. And, there may be some
>mescaline out there - either from the plant or synthesized. However,
>most of what is sold for mescaline is lsd.
>
>I suspect that one reason there is not more, is that lsd is more potent.
>One gram of lsd makes far more doses than one gram of mescaline.
>
>Bill
>


 In some ways, I think the potency of LSD to be a moot point in the case
of mescaline. The synthetic precursors are very easy to prepare. It _can_
be done from gallic acid(or even tannin and)MeI or Me2SO4 followed by
reaction with HCL followed by KCN followed by reduction. (Thionyl chloride
is not necessary to form the benzyl chloride because the hydroxy is
activated by the aromatic ring, but I realise that I forgot the step of
reduction to the alcohol. This is the step where the yield usually drops
under varying reaction conditions... See J Am Chem Soc 73, 1353 (1951).)

St. Anthony, inventor of the wheel...


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         |   \ |  || Ph               chlani izbrani
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From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: UL: Monumental LSD overdose taken (was: Re: Brands of LSD)
Date: 20 Dec 92 05:29:18 GMT
Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA

In article <D4c1VB8w165w@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz> system@codewks.nacjack.gen.nz (Wayne McDougall) writes:
>rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly) writes:
>
>> Of course, you can also "od" on water.
>
>There are enough toxins in potatoes to kill you if you eat 7 tons in one day.

I think we are gradually getting the point: anything, in sufficient
quantities or administered in a sufficiently silly manner, can be
lethal.  Even neutrinos (hint: supernovae emit lots of neutrinos).  

Next question?
From: mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michel Fougeres)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Question times Two
Date: 27 Dec 92 17:11:59 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I heard that smoking seeds can screw up your reproductive system.  Comments?
No flames please, I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this, not stating
it to be true.
Also, anyone have any info about MG Seeds and their use?

Thanks in advance.  Oh, DON'T send me email, just post.

Disclaimer:  the above questions/opinions have nothing to do with my family,
me, or my employer, or any people in relation to me.  None of the questions
are based on experience, and any information recieved is for strictly
informational purposes only.
 
P.S.  I hate this stupid Trischmann's Paradox bullshit but I can't figure out
how to send without it -- the server always sticks it on!
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From: ebenami@igc.apc.org (Etan Ben-Ami)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Brain Damage from LSD (Pink Floyd's
Date: 2 Jan 93 16:22:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:26T6VB1w164w@raley.gwinnett.com:-2013206410:cdp:1301300233:000:1722
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!ebenami    Jan  2 08:22:00 1993


Re: Syd Barrett
    no desire to include all the previous thread

    It's important to remember that Syd Barrett trashed his mind
over a period of at least five years.  It wasn't one of those
UL's you hear about someone taking one hefty dose and suddenly
turning permanently schizophrenic.
    I don't know of any substantiated cases of that happening.
    A good friend of mine suffered an acid injury -- I wouldn't
want to call her an acid casualty.  She was an SF Digger in the
mid to late 60s.  One night, she and some friends were tripping
and took a walk across the Golden Gate.  She freaked, for reasons
unknown.  To this day she has a pronounced fear of heights and
steep streets.  This is a real liability in San Francisco.  Small
doses of Klonopin seem to control the phobia.
    Of course, she could have been in a psychological condition that
would lend itself to the development of phobias under any circumstance.
For myself, I have had traumatic experiences under acid that are
hard to shake off, even twenty years later.  I go down Minetta Lane
(NYC) past the doorway marked "The Fat Black Pussycat", and I shudder.
Years ago, I got into a nasty gang fight (they were a gang, I wasn't)
there and got badly beaten, while tripping.  Would I have less
trauma if I had been drunk or just stoned on pot?  I don't know.

    Most of the horrendous acid stories I hear just don't pan out
when you investigate them further.  The only ones that repeatedly
seem to come up true are stories about someone walking across the
street without looking or thinking they can fly.  Most people don't
take that big a dose anymore.  I tend to think that if you can 
still talk, you aren't really tripping.

    -- Etan Ben-Ami
From: lewis@aera8700.mitre.org (Keith Lewis)
Subject: Re: Some anonymous posts
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 18:18:46 GMT

In article <1hhe2mINN6d7@network.ucsd.edu>, triley@weber.ucsd.edu (Tristan Riley) writes:
>uh, any chance somebody could re-post directions for this method (or
>forward 'em)?  

They are available for anonymous ftp from ftp.u.washington.edu.  The
directory is something like /public/alt.drugs, and the filename is
mushroom-growing.Z or something.  It needs to be uncompressed.

Keith Lewis             klewis@mitre.org          "Mr. Cheap"
I don't dance to music; music dances to me.  Email me for my PGP key.
The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.
From: fm@romeo.caltech.edu (Moore, Fred K.)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Psychedelic Experience
Date: 2 Jan 1993 16:53 PDT
Organization: California Institute of Technology
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: romeo.caltech.edu
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

I saw that someone posted this but the actual messages have already
been erased.  :(
If andone has the Psychedelic Experience in digital form could they
PLEASE send it to me or tell me where I can FTP it.  THANKS!
.
From: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Brain Damage from LSD (Pink Floyd's Drummer)
Date: 24 Dec 92 03:01:39 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

pertinax@raley.Gwinnett.COM (Pertinax) writes:

>I've read some of the earlier posts about the apocryphal LSD "vegetable" and
>was wondering about the case I always hear about:  the drummer from Pink 
>Floyd.  I don't know his name, or much about him- but the rumors I've heard
>for years claim that he took to much LSD, and now lives with his mother and
>can't remember being in the band. 


Perhaps you are talking about Syd Barrett, who was an original member
of Pink Floyd, but was not their drummer. He did have psychiatric
problems, but I know of no connection to LSD. I would assume he
remembers being in the band. He came out with some obscure (and in my
opinion not so good) solo albums several years after he left PF.

Now, who wants to talk about Randy California, the lead
guitarist for Spirit?
 
-- 
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   +61 3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: hjel@ellis.uchicago.edu (Death-PartyCentral)
Subject: Re: TEA??
Reply-To: hjel@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 04:57:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan1.173601.21802@fuug.fi> an2701@anon.penet.fi writes:
>Hello!
>   
>    I was wondering if anyone knows anything about a drug which was 
>sold under the name "TEA"  (sp).  It was kind of a yellowish-white
>flaky substance.  Sometimes I believe it was called "peanut-butter" tea.
>I only tried it a few times, but it was quite strong.  You snorted it.
>This was way back in 1978 or 1979, and I haven't seen it since.
>Any clues??
>
>
>

	the only yellowish substance that i have come across lately that
is snorted would be crystal methamphetamine, which was popular during
the early 80's or so, especially down in san diego where i'm from.  i have
not heard anything about 'TEA'  could you describe the effects?
					-jh


-- 
hjel@ellis.uchicago.edu        aka  Death Cmeptb jefe jefito
"...just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you...."
Disclaimer: the devil made me do it.               -Nirvana
From: nick@gepard.msk.su (Ovcharenko Nickolay Yurievich)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: BEE VEDOM: Use in pharmacology? Information needed.
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 15:37:06 +0200
Distribution: world
Organization: GEPARD, Ltd
Reply-To: nick@gepard.msk.su

Dear gentlemen!
Here in Russia we are going to produce bee vedom. Would you help us in finding
medical or pharmacological centers interested in long-time cooperation. If
scientists or other specialists will contact with us, it will be great.
     Sincerely  Nickolay Ovcharenko
     nick@gepard.msk.su
     fax (095)-135-70-30


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