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From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: SKUNK! phewww
Date: 10 Apr 92 12:41:31 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



>Whats the best approach to removing skunk scent from my dog?  I've tried
>tomato juice which helped, but should I try something else, or do I just
>have to wait it out?

According to my book, it's the ascorbic acid (vitamin C) in tomato
juice that does it.

I'd be curious if just dissolving a handful of crushed vitamin C tablets
in water, and sponging it on the dog, would work as well or better.

And then rinsing it off
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: dave@chem.psu.edu (Dave Hartsough)
Subject: Vacationing with Dog
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 14:22:06 GMT

     As summer is soon upon us, we are beginning to draw up plans
for a week long vacation at the end of May.  What I would like is as much
information as possible as to what the various state and provincial 
regulations are on dogs in campgrounds.  I know that in National Parks
they are not allowed (or at least I think I know this, if I'm wrong tell
me).  How about National Forests, National Monuments, National Recreation
Areas .....  Also, does anyone know the regulations for various state and 
Provincial Parks.  As I am in Pa.  I am mainly interested in neighboring
or nearby states.  If there is enough interest I will summarize for the
net.  Thanks in advance for any information that is available.


David Hartsough
dave@bogosity.chem.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com
Subject: Re: Vicious dog definition
Organization:  Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 92 20:29:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.180140.8946@newshost.lanl.gov> crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
>In article <1992Apr8.145343.1610@sequent.com> schalene@sequent.com writes:
>
>= Instead of legislating against
>= supposedly viscious breeds, its too bad we can't legislate against
>= irresponsible pet ownership.
>
>Instead of legislating against X, its too bad we can't legislate
>against *irresponsible* X ownership.
>
>I can't think of any X for which that isn't true.
>
I agree totally.  I was thinking of some parents, too, but decided
against mentioning it.  I do volunteer work and can't believe some of
the things people do to their children.  When I'm very frustrated, I
wish you had to pass some kind of parenting class before you could
have them.  Probably the most important thing we do in our entire
lives and we are not required to receive any formal instruction before
proceeding.....

Kind of reminds me of another rottie story.  A rottie living in DC was
kept chained up in a backyard that was utterly filthy (construction
debris (s), trash, etc. all piled up).  The neighbors noticed that he
was only being fed occasionally and complained to the animal shelter.
They sent someone to investigate and found the conditions intolerable.
They were able to remove the dog instantly.  The sad part of the story
is two children lived in the home -- windows all broken, no heat, no
water, no electricity, trash and rats everywhere.  They used milk
cartons as toilets.  When the animal shelter saw this, they called
social services.  It tool social services over 9 months to remove the
children. 

By the way, Charlie, I'm curious....how old is "older than dirt?"  I
might qualify, too.
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Need Help in Finding Stolen Puppy
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:52:05 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <167C27EC5.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu> X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes) writes:
> 
>>As for the suggestion to tatoo the dog, this is a great idea check
>>with your vet about it, and if he does not do this you can purchase a
>>kit to do it yourself, and it's fairly inexpensive.
> 
>   Does anyone have a phone number or address of a company that
>sells them?  If it's cheap enough, I may try to convince my
>retirever club to buy one.
> 

R.C. Steel I believe has them.  I got mine for $110.00 from
either them or another Vet. Supply magazine I get (Can't remember the name
right now).  The ink will last quite a long time depending on the number
of dogs you do.  It's not that hard to use, but it does take some
practice to get nice looking numbers and letters.  NDR--National
Dog Regestry is my prefered group.  You can contact them at
1-800-NDR-DOGS and ask for the closest tattooer in your area.

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From: jmb@netcom.com (J. Michael Blackford)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Lab Breed Standards (was Re: White Lab ?)
Date: 17 Apr 92 06:51:44 GMT
Reply-To: jmb@netcom.com
Organization: Blackford Systems

As I recall from conversations with breeders and judges, the *condition* of
the dog should be such that it is physically capable of performing breed
specific acts ... for Sporting Group and Working Group.  It was pointed
out to me that, while not specified in the standard of the breed, it *is*
a basis for earning higher placement in judging... fer sure in field. :)
---
(former owner of Lab... now 2.5 years deceased) (sniff)

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From: primeaux@duncan.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs Have Souls, Don't They?
Date: 16 Apr 92 21:21:34 GMT
Reply-To: primeaux@duncan.cs.utk.edu (David Primeaux)
Organization: Computer Science Dept, University of Tennesee, Knoxville
NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu

In article <1992Apr16.203333.18949@sequent.com>, schalene@sequent.com writes:
|> This post is not meant to prolong ill feelings, but I thought it an
|> interesting sidebar to this discussion....
|> 
|> From "How to be Your Dog's Best Friend," Monks of New Skete.
|> 
|> Chapter 1.  Myths, Mutts, and Monks:
|> 
|> ".....There is a story, perhaps still told in Romania where it is
|> thought to have originated, that gives a charming account of how the
|> dog himself was created.  It seems St. Peter was taking a stroll in
|> heaven with God when a dog came up.  "What's that?" said St. Peter.
|> God told him it was a dog, and he added, "Do you want to know why I
|> made him?"  Naturally Peter was interested.  "Well, you know how much
|> trouble by brother, the Devil, has caused me...how he made me drive
|> Adam and Eve out of Paradise.  The poor things nearly starved, so I
|> gave them sheep for meat and warm wool to clothe them.  And now that
|> fellow is making a wolf to harry and destroy the sheep!  So I have
|> made a dog.  He knows how to drive the wolf away.  He will guard the
|> flocks.  He will guard the possessions of man." 
|> 
|> (Reproduced without permission)
|> 
|> schalene
|> 

Now that's a story I like.  Thanks.
From: lv0j+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lynn M. Daly)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: dog outhouse ???
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:40:14 GMT
Organization: Counseling & Student Development Center, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


My husband and I are looking for directions/instructions on how to make
and keep up an outhouse (in ground deposit) for our chocolate lab
Bozwell.


We already have a large plastic garbage bin to put into the ground, but
thats as far as we know.  Please give any info you may have.

thanks!
From: joe@pluto.sybase.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Females More 'Family Oriented'?
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:24:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: sybase.19323
Reply-To: joe@pluto.sybase.com ()
Organization: Sybase, Inc.

Does anyone with experience of male and female dogs care to
comment on the notion that female dogs tend to be more 
'responsible' and concerned towards their family, whereas
males are more concerned with their turf (territorial)?

PS: The editor of DogSports Magazine told me that the latest
    issue of "The Sun" has a cover story about two-headed Pit Bulls.
    He got permission to copy and print it in his magazine.
    Anyone interested in working dogs who might be interested in
    DogSports Magazine, email me and I'll give info on how to 
    subscribe.
Joseph Weinstein  Sybase - 1650 65th Street, Emeryville Ca 94608
		  joe@sybase.com   sun!sybase!joe   510-596-3620
Disclaimer:	  This might not even be *my* opinion! I may have
		  changed my mind.
From: wagner@currituck.cs.unc.edu (Michael Wagner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Vicious dog definition
Keywords: vicious
Date: 13 Apr 92 15:10:44 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

In article <1992Apr7.130749.13438@b11.ingr.com> bbrown@b11.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) writes:
>bradav@auto-trol.com (Brad Davidson) writes:
The article contained an account of a barking lab who
was shot to death by the Denver police because he was preventing a
a utility employ from gaining access to the power box.  The court decided
that the policeman's actions were justified under the law.

While fearing a flame fest, I have to say
that the Denver police action sounds
like it *could be* justified to me.  
I know that it may not be precisely
 popular in this news group, but I
believe that meter readers and postpeople
have the basic right to do their jobs
without being put in fear of bodily harm.


I have been walking down the sidewalk in a
quiet suburban neighborhood and been backed
out into the street by a suddenly appearing
barking snapping big dog.  If I had had a
gun, I would have shot the dog.  Now I'm sure
the owner might have said that "he's only
protecting his territory", "he's never gotten
out before", "it's the first time he's ever
done that", "you shouldn't have threatened him",
"he thought you were a burglar", etc.  
But it gave me a lot of empathy for people
who have to deal with aggressive dogs daily.

It's hard to speak in terms of absolute rights,
but I think that in most situations, if it
comes to the rightd of a dog v. the rights of
a human being, the human being wins.  For example,
I believe that small children have near an absolute
right to be anywhere and do anything without
being attacked/killed by a dog.

Asbestos on!

Mike
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kite@busadm1.cba.hawaii.edu (Ben Nagata)
Subject: RE: Apology
Organization: College Business Administration, University of Hawaii
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:55:44 GMT

Wall@inland.com posted a very sensitive apology for starting a flame war:

Let me assure you that most of us (if not all, except Barnes) did not take 
offense. In fact I look forward to this type of post - it's what attracts me 
to this group and a few other; the assurance that I am in good company (
except Barnes), the company of warm, caring people (Except Barnes and D. 
Adams - whatever happened to that obnoxious cuss anyway?).

Please feel free to continue posting - in fact, I beg you not to take 
offense and to post your other anecdotes. You did the right thing.
From: mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Looking for Philly kennels
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:47:06 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Med School Computer Facility


     Anybody know of any good places to board dogs in the Philly area?  We
tried a local vet but were not happy.  I'd appreciate e-mail or posting --
though this may not be of general interest.  How does one go about finding
a good kennel, anyway?


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             |---------------------------------------------|
             |--Mills_J@a1.mscf.upenn.edu (Jason Mills)----|
             |"Why would anyone want both an MD and a PhD?"|
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: deg@rustin ( Don Gillespie)
Subject: Re: SKUNK! phewww
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:22:50 GMT

When our Dalmations got skunked, we've wanted to try the tomato juice
solution on them.  However, all we could find was concentrated tomato soup.
While it seemed to do a good job getting rid of the smell, the dogs *looked*
really ridiculous.  The orange color wouldn't wash out completely, so we
had orange spotted dogs for a few days!
From: 9055marcusse@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: COWERING DOG
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:27:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.00958BEE.8D6A02A0
Reply-To: 9055marcusse@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

THAT dog that pees and cowers I would bet a million bucks gets beat, try to find out where the dog lives. If you can see abuse ask your local dog shelter to investigate.
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Spaying and Neutering
Date: 13 Apr 92 05:15:13 GMT
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501

Esa K Viitala writes: "We don't have dog overpopulation"

Glad to hear it.

How many dogs have you?
How many were there 10 years ago?
How many are owned?
How many are neutered?

Thank you.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger   jpk@ingres.com                    Oh we pulled the handle out,
and we pushed the handle in, and the steam went to the pistons just the same
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bradley@mdd.comm.mot.com (Michael Bradley)
Subject: Re: PS to Barnes/Dogs/Souls
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 22:15:59 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.202055.22806@gvl.unisys.com> pastor@prc.unisys.com (Jon Pastor) writes:
>Apologies to all for continuing this, but my mail to Bailey bounced...
>
No not accepted - I am sure many of us are SICK of this.
Please STOP it - got rant someplace else.

 Michael Bradley

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: VAAIRP@UKCC.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: Dogs Don't Have Souls, Do They??
    <167C89A49.X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu> <kur3vdINN55u@news.bbn.com>
Organization: UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 18:34:09 GMT
X-Bytes: 

Here's your one chance to skip this waste of a post.

Do it.










Written previously: ("who" is not important)

>> The soul is that part that has a determines our relationship with
>> God.  Since there is only 1 way to have a relationship with God
>> (through the acceptance of Jesus Christ) and since that requires
>> 1) free will & 2) having been made in God's image, only Mankind
>> can have a soul.

I'm sorry.  I can't help it. If I don't say this, I'm going to explode.
I'm going to resist the urge to pick this passage apart and just
comment on the overall message.

Christianity, the religion that shits on everything beautiful in the
world as we know it.  If I cannot be reunited with my pets in "Heaven,"
then I'm not sure I want to go.  And if I'm unable to look forward to
seeing my four-legged friends in the afterlife, then I begin to wonder
"why do I exist at all?"  (For you atheists, I know what you
are going to say and will respect your decision not to answer this)

Why are we here?  (In the Christian thought) Can anybody give me
a decent answer?  No, nobody can.  Go ahead and try.  I'll willingly
submit to any person that can answer it.  I want a answer that can
be partially based on faith, yet also on science.  Oh, and if you
want to refute evolution while you're at it, be my guest.  Oh, and
if you want to explain me that all the Jews, Muslums, Hindus, Shintos,
etc. really do go to hell because they didn't accept Jesus, go for it.

OK, I've said what I had to say and everybody probably hates me for
discussing a non-doggy topic, but since there isn't any
rec.religion.dogs, I had nowhere else to... dare I say, "bitch?"

Please reply to me, spare everyone else the agony.

Rick Marquardt
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kite@busadm1.cba.hawaii.edu (Ben Nagata)
Subject: PS to Barnes/Dogs/Souls
Summary: He's so full of it, his eyes must be brown!
Organization: College Business Administration, University of Hawaii
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:27:16 GMT

PS to my last post:

Listed on his 'not worthy of response list: those belonging to other 
religions. (How do you feel about cat-lovers?)
From: INRS@ricevm1.rice.edu (April O. Henry)
Subject: Dogs, Dogs, and yes more Dogs...
Organization: Rice University, Houston, TX
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:20:00 GMT

I am very new to this forum so please pardom any etiquette
errors.

I seem to have an overly soft spot where animals are concerned,
especially dogs.  This along with other factors has led to the
current situation I am in.  I have 3 large dogs with no fence
and live in a small lease house.  I have two boxers and one
golden retriever mix.  I love them all but as you can imagine
feel a bit over run by dogs.  I have contemplated giving one
or two away --- but as yet can't bring myself to do so.  I'm
attached to them all.  My husband and daughter are even more
attached than I am.   So here is my question, how do I manage
such a situation.  How do we keep them and take proper care of
them (attention & exercise) and yet get other things done that
need to be done (i.e. work, grocery shopping, etc.)

I know that such a question is bound to reap some flames, but
before you fire back please realize that I care a great deal
for the dogs or I wouldn't be concerned.  When I was a child
we had one dog and that dog was most definitely a member of
our family --- completely.  With three dogs that is not currently
the case and it is all I can do to keep the poop picked up off
our enclosed patio (they stay there while we are at work).

HELP.   thanks.

          april
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: A tragic accident
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:38:48 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



>handling this tragedy in a responsible manner.  Secondly, as owner of a 
>*very* docile, laid back, neutered, pound-rescued chow-mix, I am somewhat
>un-nerved by this story -- even though we have had Roosevelt for about a year
>now and dot him as a puppy.

>Any comments?

Yes.  Do not trust your ability to read the papers over your ability
to read your dog.

There is the same problem with people after all; how do I know
that you won't murder me?  Many people in the papers do, and while
you seem to speak well on matters of mutual interest, and normally
I'd seek out your company, really how can I tell?  The murderers
in the paper were sometimes nice guys too.  ``He seemed like a
perfectly normal boy to me ...''

If I don't worry about that skepticism, with people, as most
people who are not disabled by paranoia do, then I won't worry about
my dog, who I know infinitely better than the people in the paper.

Newspapers print whatever sells so you can read the ads.
Don't leave that fact out of whatever equation you're dealing with.
From: johnson@vixvax.mgi.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: SKUNK! phewww
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:11:24 GMT
Article-I.D.: vixvax.1992Apr9.131124.1753
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

Whats the best approach to removing skunk scent from my dog?  I've tried
tomato juice which helped, but should I try something else, or do I just
have to wait it out?
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From: crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: A tragic accident (biased statistics)
Date: 12 Apr 92 16:25:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: newshost.1992Apr12.162512.15643
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

In article <29E7BB57.22992@ics.uci.edu> tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes:
= In <92101.094858U30993@uicvm.uic.edu> Kimberly Laird <U30993@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
= 
= 
= >Just FYI...  the more popular breeds do indeed bite more
= >often than any other... cockers, golden retrievers, etc.
= 
= Perhaps...because they're more popular?  More of them?  More
= incidences?  I'd be more impressed with a per-1000 number or something
= to compare them better...

I agree with Cindy and others that per capita figures would be more
informative.  The raw *partial* data here are virtually useless.

Another factor to consider vis-a-vis the "popular breeds," however, 
is that once a breed becomes popular, demand for animals of that
breed is likely to result in production of inferior specimens.  (See
the article about Golden Retrievers in _Gun_Dog_ magazine within
the past year or so for a pretty good description of the process.)
Those with more interest in turning a profit than in producing good
specimens of the breed will soon be busily satisfying the demand
for the "popular" breed.  I truly hope that none of the breeds I'm
partial to ever become popular.

Regarding my comment, above, about turning a profit (above) please
don't start a profit-loss flame ware again.  There is *nothing*
wrong with making (or, at least trying to make) a profit selling
pups.  There *is* something wrong with breeding just any pair that
will produce pups that can be claimed to be of that breed.


-- 
Best,

Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
	  crs@lanl.gov
From: clip@rcorsa.UUCP (Francois Vrana)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Ankle-biting puppy question
Date: 15 Apr 92 12:33:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: rcorsa.47
Organization: Les Consultants RCO

In article <a#tjxvd.sss@netcom.com> sss@netcom.com (Small Systems Solutions) writes:
>In article <15204@drutx.ATT.COM> 
>	 mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (54626-BonhamM(DR2020)214) writes:
>>
>>Mouthing is normal behavior, but should not be tolerated.  (See my previous
>>post).  Yes, you should punish and try to stop him.
>
>Stupid, stupid, stupid. "Punish" ?? What exactly do you mean? In any case,
>

i don't find that this statement contributes to the discussion in any 
intelligent manner.

>>Good Luck!
>
>Yes. with advice like yours, it's needed!

this newsgroup can remain interesting if we keep the flames down, 
the sarcasm low, and the outright condescing statements right out.
while you may have an excellent understanding of animal training
methods, you seem to fall short of understanding your fellow humans.

thanks,

francois vrana [clip%rcorsa@sobeco.com]
From: X005CB@tamvm1.tamu.edu (Chris Barnes)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: PS to Barnes/Dogs/Souls
Date: 17 Apr 92 19:27:26 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University

In article <1992Apr15.032901.13006@b11.ingr.com>
   bbrown@b11.ingr.com (Bailey Brown) writes:
 
>I think what he meant was that he didn't want to get into a
>"God is" vs. "god isn't" argument with athiests or a
>"Jesus was and is" vs. "Jesus was and isn't" argument with
>Jews, Muslims, and others.  I think he wanted to discuss
>whether or not dogs have an eternal soul of the same type
>that Christians are talking about when the talk about
>"saving souls".
 
   Quite correct.  You make 3 people that have understood
what I meant.  BTW:  I do accept *some* of the blame if people
did not understand this part (but only some; I'm certain that
some of the people would have gone ballistic no matter what
kind of disclaimer I had added....).
 
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