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From: jl8e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Julian D Lighton)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: not another jihad
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:10:44 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Freshman, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

asya@ux5.lbl.gov (Asya Kamsky) writes:

>In article <199210.1527.2214@channel1> "michael benveniste"
<michael.benveniste
>@channel1.com> writes:
>>First, I think the ACBL is overly conservative.  When a convention
> 
>This may be true.
> 
>>achieves the popularity of the Multi-2D, it's well past time to
>>permit it at the sectional and regional levels.  There is plenty of
>>source information on how to defend.  Of course, look at the
> 
>Not here there isn't.  It's popular in the rest of the world, not here.
How can it be popular here? The ACBL doesn't allow it, so it's never had
a chance to catch on.

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From: sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Myerson)
Subject: Re: Cheating?
Organization: Raytheon Company, Portsmouth, RI
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:17:50 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.223329.21410@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu> ted@welchgate.welch.jhu.edu (Ted Ying) writes:
>
>  [stuff about asking unethical questions during the auction deleted]
>
>	Asking if the negative double shows hearts is IMHO definitely
>	unethical, since I can't think of a version of negative doubles
>	that doesn't show the opposite major. 

I have seen people play that a negative double *denies* 4 or more
cards in the other major.

Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)
From: asya@ux5.lbl.gov (Asya Kamsky)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: *My* Thoughts on the Jihad and ACBL
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:28:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: overload.1992Apr11.202808.12949
Reply-To: asya@ux5.lbl.gov (Asya Kamsky)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory

In article <1992Apr10.192533.16062@midway.uchicago.edu> valley@gsbsun.uchicago.edu (Doug Dougherty) writes:
>club game, and realize that the tabletalk and so on are all a part of
>playing the game.  To think otherwise, at least at my club, is to bury
>one's head in the sand.  (I applaud Asya's insistence on playing only in
>National events - however, it explains her insistence that the problem
>doesn't exist)

Exsqueeze me?  When did I ever insist that this problem didn't exist?
I don't play in club games mostly because of this problem (and the horribly
low quality of bridge).  I said this problem wouldn't exist in money
tournaments (certainly not in any that I would run).

>In short, this sort of thing goes on all the time, and the way the laws
>are setup, there's nothing you can do about it.  Further, and this is the
>point, there is a tradition in the US that if its not illegal, its not
>immoral.

While this may or may not be true, it doesn't apply to bridge.  First of
all, what your opponent_m}n fidqe{on this hand WAS illegal.{ Secondly,
tehre is a concept of "active ethics" which{no one here seemed to have
been a{are of...


Sorry about the noisy line...
-- 
"In nature there are no rewards or punishments, only consequences"

Asya Kamsky	      e-mail: asya@ux5.lbl.gov                   Go Red Sox
"In order to command you must first learn to submit" - chinese fortune cookie
From: eric@pencom.com
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: A couple of hands.
Date: 16 Apr 92 13:25:54 GMT
Organization: Pencom Software

White-White You (South) hold :

x
AKJxx
Qx
AJ109x

Bidding proceeds :
E       S        W         N
P       1H       P         3H(1)
4S      ???

(1) Normal limit raise with 4+

Is a pass forcing?

Given that it is, what is your proper action.
Given that it is not, what is your proper action.

Assume that you are playing with a trusted partner, but
not an established partnership.





White-Red You (South) hold :
9xxx
Q
J109x
AKxx

S         W          N          E
P         P          2H(1)      P
P         3D         P          3H
P(2)      3S         P          4C
P(2)      4D         P          P
P(2)

(1) Weak, but not disiciplined in 3rd seat.
(2) Do you double?

I decided that the opponents had totally weirded out
and that we were destined for a top no matter what I did.
Any opinions?

Incidently, East's hand was :

AQ
Axxxxx
-
Jxxxx
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: matthew@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: 2 Problems (IMPS)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date:  9 Apr 92 15:29:09 GMT

bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman) writes:

>(1) You hold Both Vul.

>7x
>AQ10xx
>AKJx
>Kx

>The auction:

>You LHO  Pard RHO
>1H  2C    2S   P
>3D  P     3S

>You do NOT play negative freebids. Partner has a good (but not game-forcing)
>hand. 

I bid 4S for several reasons.  

First, my club stopper is not only single, but
short.  With Kxx, I might have some latitude to hold during the play (of 
course, the auction would have been different).

Second, I'm a firm believer in showing two-card support if possible.  There's
always that chance that partner has seven spades, or something.

Third, this is teams, and if both contracts make, I'm going to lose at most 
one IMP.  If they both crash, I'm going to break even.  I see no reason to
believe why taking 9 before the opponents take 5 in no-trump is easier than
getting 10 in spades.

Finally, my partner plays the hand better than I do.  I'm much better at
pouring coffee. :-)
--

Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
               		This time, *with* the oys
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Myerson)
Subject: Re: A couple of hands.
Organization: Raytheon Company, Portsmouth, RI
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:43:16 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.132554.14658@pencom.com> eric@pencom.com writes:
* White-White You (South) hold :  x, AKJxx, Qx, AJ109x
* 
* Bidding proceeds :
* E       S        W         N
* P       1H       P         3H(1)
* 4S      ???
* 
* (1) Normal limit raise with 4+
* 
* Is a pass forcing?
* 
* Given that it is, what is your proper action.
* Given that it is not, what is your proper action.
* 
* Assume that you are playing with a trusted partner, but
* not an established partnership.

A limit raise is not forcing, i.e. if you opened light, you could
pass 3H. Therefore, a pass of 4S is not forcing.

I would bid 5C in either case. Hopefully this will describe my
hand should the opponents bid on to 5S over 5H.

* White-Red You (South) hold : 9xxx, Q, J109x, AKxx
* 
* S         W          N          E
* P         P          2H(1)      P
* P         3D         P          3H
* P(2)      3S         P          4C
* P(2)      4D         P          P
* P(2)
* 
* (1) Weak, but not disiciplined in 3rd seat.
* (2) Do you double?
* 
* I decided that the opponents had totally weirded out
* and that we were destined for a top no matter what I did.
* Any opinions?
* 
* Incidently, East's hand was : AQ, Axxxxx, -, Jxxxx

You have what seems to be 2 club tricks and 1 diamond trick.
And partner has something. I would probably double based on suspicion.
I'm going for the top.

Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)
From: bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
Subject: Re: Misalert
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 14:50:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.131749.22181@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> atleung@troy.UUCP () writes:
>
>
>Sorry about the misinformation about my partner's hand.  My partner
>is 2-3-6-2 distribution.  And we are both vulnerable.


With this hand I believe that 1D is superior. However, one still
has rebid problems over 1S. 1NT is an underbid, 2H is out of the
question, and 3D is also out of the question. That leaves a slightly
heavy 2D as the only rebid [and on a ratty suit]. However, this is
not an easy hand to bid.

--
Bob Silverman
These are my opinions and not MITRE's.
Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
"You can lead a horse's ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think"
From: tac6189@hertz.njit.edu (Tom Carmichael)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Can you beat 3 NT ?
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:48:49 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr7.043608.10989@crc.ricoh.com> james@crc.ricoh.com (James Allen) writes:


>]>Can you defeat 3 No Trump?
>]>
>]>			(dummy)
>]>			K 9 7 6 5
>]>			J 8 4
>]>			A J 3
>]>			A 10
>]>
>]>	(you)
>]>	A J 10
>]>	Q 10 3
>]>	K 8 2
>]>	K 7 5 4
>]>
>]>	Auction (with your side silent):  1 Spade	1 NT (forcing)
>]>					  2 Diamonds	3 Diamonds
>]>					  3 No Trump
>]>
>]>	You lead club 4: ten, jack, queen.  Declare finesses Diamond
>]>Jack, cashes Club Ace (partner drops Eight), Diamond Ace, and leads
>]>a Diamond to your King (partner drops Ten).  What do you lead now and
>]>what is your plan?
>]
>]Wasn't this hand posted before?  I think that I have responded twice 
>]already.  (One didn't seem to get through.)
>
>	Yes, and no it didn't seem to.
>]
>]	[ Good Solution abbreviated  to conserve bandwidth ]
>] [if ...] partner [has] the K of hearts.  He then has an entry to return
>]his last club through declarer.  (Boring)
>	You can always beat the contract in this case.
>]		... If, however, declarer has both
>]the AK of hearts, then the hand is much more interesting and needs exact 
>]defense to beat it....
>]If at this point you lead the J or T of spades (whichever you think partner
>]is more likely to overtake), you can beat the contract.  If declarer ducks, 
>]partner can overtake & lead back a club.  A diamond, 2 spades & 2 clubs defeats
>]3NT.  If, however, declarer wins the king on dummy and crosses to hand with
>]a heart, he will try to squeeze west (you) out of your exit card to endplay
>]you.  Don't let him get away with it; throw the Ace of spades.  This will allow
>]you to get to partners hand with a spade when declarer throws you in with a 
>]heart (or club).  Partner wins and returns the other suit( the one declarer
>]hasn't thrown you in with. )  This defense comes to a spade, a heart, a diamond
>]and two clubs for a one trick set.
>	Yes.  Spades are your partnership's "best" suit (A Q J Ten),
>	but you need 4 tricks *outside* spades to defeat 3 NT.

And you will get them.  You have already one a diamond.  Lets say that you
return the J of spades, declarer winning in dummy.  He then leads a heart to
hand and plays the Queen of diamonds, you throwing the Ace of spades.
Declarer now leads another high heart and a third round, you winning the Q
(trick number 2).  You then lead a spade, overtaken by partner. (trick 3)
A club through declarers hand lets you win both the K and the 7 of clubs.
(tricks 4 & 5).  The hand works analogously if declarer puts you in with a 
club.

Tom
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From: eric@pencom.com
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Fixed
Date: 14 Apr 92 14:48:47 GMT
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <22267@megatest.UUCP> jao@megatest.UUCP (John Oswalt) writes:
> The following bidding occured against me by a weak pair
> in a strong club game:
> 
> S	N
> 
> 1S	3N(1)
> 4S	4N
> 5H(2)	6S
> 
> 1) When asked, S said she had no idea what this meant.

When did you ask?  Given the hands in question, you can not
possibly have had any hand that would have wanted to enter the
auction.

North, upon hearing of North's confusion many have decided to
take a pot shot.
From: baseggi1@husc8.harvard.edu (Franco Baseggio)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: Bid these hands
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:17:55 GMT

avir@chen.bgu.ac.il (Avi Roy Shapira) writes:

>Finally there are no good references to the system in English. Probably the
>only source is a pamphlet published by Edgar Kaplan many years ago, which
>is now out of print. If Bob has a better source, I'd appreciate if he will
>publish it here.

>Avi

I own a book by E Kaplan called "The Complete Italian Syatem of Winning
Bridge."  (New American Library, 1959)  It contains about 80 pages each 
on the Roman Club and the Neapolitan Club as well as "Standard Italian"
and some discussion of defenses to all three.

I have not read very much of it, so I can't review the book right now
(someone suggested posting book reviews:  seems like a great idea to me).

Franco Baseggio
From: bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: 2 Problems (IMPS)
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:42:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr9.124216.23472
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA

Here's two problems. IMPS against a BAD team.

(1) You hold Both Vul.

7x
AQ10xx
AKJx
Kx

The auction:

You LHO  Pard RHO
1H  2C    2S   P
3D  P     3S

You do NOT play negative freebids. Partner has a good (but not game-forcing)
hand. 

Your call?   There are only 2 choices. 4S and 3NT.  4S will be right
if partner's spades are not solid, since you only have a single club stopper.
3S is not forcing, but you are too good to pass.


Yes, I considered opening 1NT, but I don't like 5422 with 2 strong suits
and 2 weak suits.


(2) This is a play problem. Both Vul.

	Ax
	AK9
	KJ98
	J9xx

	Q10
	Q10xxx
	10x
	AK10x

1NT 2S 3H P
4H  all pass.

8 spades led.  Plan the play. Both Vul.
 
Oh. Does anyone see how to get to 3NT [superior contract!] after the overcall?
How can dummy bid 3NT on Ax as a stopper and good hearts? How can South not
bid 3H???

--
Bob Silverman
These are my opinions and not MITRE's.
Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
"You can lead a horse's ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think"
From: eric@pencom.com
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: What is going on?
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:39:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pencom Software

In article <1992Apr14.163320.9104@rice.edu> danil@boreal.owlnet.rice.edu (Danil  
Patrick Suits) writes:
> IMP teams, everybody green
> 
> Axx
> KQx
> xxx
> Axxx
> 
> Absolutely spotless.
> 
> Second chair, playing Standard American, you open
> 1C. Partner skips the bidding up to 2H (strong)
> you raise to 3H....
> 
> Partner bids 4H.
> 
> 1] What is going on?
Partner made a strange strong jump-shift (obviously not
self sufficient).

> 
> 2] What should partner's hand look like?

I am not sure, since they made a mistake.
Looks like an ace in hearts, and lots of secondary honors elsewehere.
Probably a good fit for clubs since the heart suit was not solid.

> 
> 3] What do you call?

Given that you alreasdy showed slam interest with your 3H call,
and partner showed no further interest (and no aces),
a pass seems very clear.
From: bs@fatima.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: *My* Thoughts on the Jihad and ACBL
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:18:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: linus.1992Apr10.011847.20272
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA

In article <ku9625INNkrm@levelland.cs.utexas.edu> varvel@cs.utexas.edu (Donald A. Varvel) writes:
>In article <2887@sol.deakin.OZ.AU> doug@cm.deakin.OZ.AU (Douglas Newlands) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr6.180648.11308@linus.mitre.org: bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman) writes:
>>:In article <1992Apr3.173629.20707@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> milord@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Milord) writes:
>
>>:There is too much cheating now that goes on in ACBL tournaments.
>
>>:Can you imagine what it would be like with cash prizes???
>
>>Hearing Bob say this and having had some interesting email
>>discussions with others I am coming to realise that US
>>players accept that pairs cheating is a normal part of
>>competition play.
>
>>Do other US correspondents agree about the amount of cheating?
>
>As one of the correspondents, I'll take this up.
>
>LHO opens 1D.  Partner overcalls 1S.  RHO passes, and I bid 2S.
>LHO frowns, looks at me suspiciously, and in a suspicious tone
>of voice says, "Pass."  Partner passes and RHO reopens 3H with

rest deleted....

This isn't even half of it. Perhaps the most frequent form of
cheating is the "wire".  You are in a room with 200+ tables,
all playing the same pairs event. If you listen carefully you
can hear the conversations at the other table, e.g.

"Making 4. Yes, I know a diamond lead beats it."

You come upon that board [you know the boards from the table no.]
and lo and behold you [or partner] leads a diamond!!
 
In other words, in close quarters it is easy to pick up conversations
[and hence results] at other tables.
 
How many times have you seen opponents make miraculous [and
non-logical] leads or plays? Or miraculous and peculiar auctions
that lead to an optimal contract not reached elsewhere.

I'll give an example: I once saw the following two hands:

A10xxx
x
KQxxxx
x

x
AQxxx
x
AKQxxx

the bidding went: [No kidding!]

1C 1D
1H 1S
1NT all pass.

How either can not bid out their 6-5 and how opener can rebid 1NT
is VERY strange. 
--
Bob Silverman
These are my opinions and not MITRE's.
Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
"You can lead a horse's ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think"
From: grove@triangle.Berkeley.EDU (Eddie Grove)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: What is going on?
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:51:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: agate.skpdbINN7qc
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: triangle.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Apr15.181425.25748@rayssd.ssd.ray.com> sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com (Myerson) writes:
>danil@boreal.owlnet.rice.edu (Danil Patrick Suits) writes
>in <1992Apr14.163320.9104@rice.edu>:
>
>* IMP teams, everybody green   Axx, KQx, xxx, Axxx.  Absolutely spotless.
>* 
>* Second chair, playing Standard American, you open
>* 1C. Partner skips the bidding up to 2H (strong)
>* you raise to 3H....
>* 
>* Partner bids 4H.
>* 
>* 1] What is going on?

Partner has announced that opposite a perfect minimum, slam is cold.

>* 2] What should partner's hand look like?

This depends on your agreements.  Current standard is that a strong
jump shift shows either a self-sufficient suit or support for yours,
but clearly partner doesn't think that.  I like the agreement that
it shows enough to be interested in slam, but not enough to insist.
This is particularly useful if you expect the opponents to compete.
It can be hard to catch up after a 1H call.

My guess is   -, AJTxxx, A?xx, KQx.  You only need to hold HKQ and CAJxxx 
to be cold for slam.  Maybe partner thinks s/he is showing both or
neither pointed suit controls by bidding 4H, that 4D or 3S would show
one and deny the other.  4C would certainly show 4 card club support.
I don't expect this particular hand, but I can't come up with anything else.

>* 3] What do you call?

6H.  There is no way I would stop short of slam holding 3 key cards
plus the trump queen opposite a strong jump shift.  Maybe I should
look for 7, but I am already guessing what partner means, so it
is better to keep it simple.

>3. I trust my partner. I pass.
>
>Steve Myerson (sgm@sgfb.ssd.ray.com)

A strong jump shift can make slam opposite this te this
I trust my partner.  I don't pass.



Eddie Grove
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: 2 Problems (IMPS) - but only 1 answered
From: avir@chen.bgu.ac.il (Avi Roy Shapira)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:42:30 GMT
Organization: Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel

 bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman) writes:

 BS: Here's two problems. IMPS against a BAD team.
 BS:
 BS: (1) You hold Both Vul.   7x, AQ10xx, AKJx, Kx
 BS:
 BS: The auction:
 BS:
 BS: You LHO  Pard RHO
 BS: 1H  2C    2S   P
 BS: 3D  P     3S
 BS:
 BS: You do NOT play negative freebids. Partner has a good (but not game-forcing)
 BS: hand.
 BS:
 BS: Your call?   There are only 2 choices. 4S and 3NT.  4S will be right

I have followed this thread with some amazement. How and why anyone should
choose to bid anything but 4S is beyond me.  It is true that sometimes 3NT
is a better contract even with an 8 card spade fit. But in almost all cases, it
is when you have fillers or at least 3 cards in the spade suit.
I may bid 3N with say,
Qx, AKJxx, AQxx, Kx,

A frequent beginner's mistake is to bid 3NT with:

   x, AQTxx, AKJx, Kxx.

This will almost always go down. The best action at imps is to pass 3S not vul,
and bid 4S when vul.

Avi
From: peter@let.rug.nl (Peter Blok)
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: Re: No problem on this card
Date: 10 Apr 92 08:47:12 GMT
Organization: Faculty of Arts & Letters, Groningen University, The Netherlands

In a local (teams) tournament overhere, a declarer did the following.
Having AJ10x of trups in his hand and K98x in dummy (or something similar)
, he lead the jack. His LHO hesitated, and finally played low.
 Now declarer said: "If you do not have the queen, I'll call the director!!"
"I am so sorry" LHO replied. "That's OK", declarer responded; he took the
ace and finessed, successfully of course, on the way back.
Sometimes cheating *can* be beautyful.
BTW, declarer was punished by 3 VP's.

Cheers,
Peter

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Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
From: valley@gsbsun.uchicago.edu (Doug Dougherty)
Subject: Re: Pridding Boblem
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: rec.games.bridge
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 21:52:07 GMT

bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman) writes:

>It is a SURE sign of a weak or novice player when they want to open 2C
>based on playing strength alone without defense. Or when they want to open
>2C with strong 2-suiters.

>Let me offer some advice to those playing SA variants. 

>2C should promise a MINIMUM of 7 controls. (A=2 , K=1). This usually
>guarantees not only the playing strength to open 2C, but some defense
>that partner can count on as well.

Can it be considered an infraction to do this (I.e., psyching a strong
artifical opening is a no-no) ?  I had an LOL open 2C on a solid
9-bagger and a 12 count.  We competed to 4S, but were understandably
reluctant to go on to 5 when she bid 5H (Which was down 1) (Both Vul).

We yelled at her; we should have yelled for the director.
****************************************************************************
The Slug		valley@gsbsun.uchicago.edu

"He's trying to give up drinking, but his girlfriend hasn't left him yet."

(THis [sic] message should be assumed to have been smiley captioned for the
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From: eric@pencom.com
Newsgroups: rec.games.bridge
Subject: What to bid?
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:32:31 GMT
Organization: Pencom Software

South, You hold :

KJ109xx
-
AK10xxx
A

Bidding has proceeded :
W       N       E      S
2H      P       P      3H(1)
P       3N(2)   4H     ???

1)  Michael's
2)  Natural

Constructive bids anyone?
When
   a)  You trust partner's judgement in this situation.
   b)  You don't trust partner's judgement in this situation.