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From: dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke)
Subject: Re: UI Benfits Cut
Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 92 23:15:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.143318.4952@mongrel.UUCP> amdunn@mongrel.UUCP (Andrew M. Dunn) writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.235045.5253@sol.UVic.CA> dmanke@sanjuan (Dennis Manke) writes:
>>
>>Why should taxes rise? Currently there is a whole lot of people
>>(self employed) who get away without paying for UIC which as you
>>have recognized is a welfare system and not an insurance.
>>
>>If UIC where really UIC and the welfare aspect was
>>funded through general revenue, then you would pay a ***LOT***
>>less in premiums and probably less in taxes (if you believe there
>>won't be a tax grab) since it would get rid of the loop hole that
>>self employed people have (they would pay their fare share for the
>>welfare part + if they elected, they would pay for UIC in some
>>appropriate insurance bracket that covers in total their risk).
  ***=======================***
               ^
               |
    (I thought I had answered your question below)
    It should be funded entirely this way - NO subsidies from gen. rev.

    Also, to clarify - training (the welfare aspect of UIC) would be
    brought under gen. gov. programs. My guess is that taxes would go up
    since UIC currently subsidizes this. However, since everyone will be
    paying the extra tax (no exclusion as under the current system), then
    the net payout by people who currently pay UIC should be less.

    Personally I think this part should be mostly (exclusively?) funded by
    taxes on employers (an education tax similar to France).
    Those employers investing in education of their employees get their
    investment back (up to the amount they were taxed) - those who don't,
    loose it (there's a lot who would fall into the 2nd category).

>
>Why would it reduce the cost?  If it were really UIC, as you suggest,
>and self-employed people paid UI premiums, they'd be entitled to
>claim benefits if they became unemployed.  Which probably happens more
>often to self-employed people than to others.
>
>
>
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From: yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: The Canadian Problem - How can it be fixed?
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 92 05:24:44 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:

- In article <Bzv7K4.3Io@mach1.wlu.ca> dmccrea6@mach1.wlu.ca (doug mccready F)
- >
- >blocks of MPs who vote against their own party. Trudeau and Mulroney have
- >taken party discipline too far - because CAnada is a country of
- >hero-worshippers (we look for the leader we want, not the team we want). I
-
- Look what happened in what, Alberta?  A new party leader was selected by
- some means (I don't know how), and he replaced the old party leader, who was
- the Premier of the province at the time.  The point is that the team stayed i
- power while the captain was changed.

  hold on here!! The Alberta Conservatives are on the decline.  I have heard
that in the city of Edmonton that there are some provincial PC associations
with less than 10 members.  Here they opened up there vote for shall we say
obscure reason.  I can't wait to see the the PC membership for 1993. Ha!! Ha!!
Ha!!
-
- >agree that removing party from parliament to such a great extent is
- >desirable but cannot be done completely because there are some benefits to
- >party too. Free votes, regular leadership reviews, etc. ought to be
- >permitted
-
- That's the biggest crock.  "Free votes OUGHT to be permitted ..."
- If we want to be seriously committed to democracy, that should read
- "Free votes MUST be permitted".  What's the point of having an elected
- representative of a constituency if that elected person can't, or doesn't,
- or won't represent that constituency?
-
  Time for Parliament to see more free votes and less party disicpline, a
current Liberal tennant.

Dave Shariff Yadallee (B. Sc. (Econ/Math) (U of Alberta 1990) )
 (yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca, userLIBE@mts.ucs.ualberta.ca)
God Save the Queen, God Bless us All! Remember! Jesus Saves!!
Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to One and All - John Lennon
Newsgroups: can.general
From: david@sequent.com (David Haynes)
Subject: Details of Tax Case?
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems (Canada) Ltd.
Distribution: can
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 14:31:07 GMT

The end of the year reminded me about a case that made a little news
last year. If anyone knows the details, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

As I recall, a gentleman in Alberta? had claimed child care expenses
against his wife as if they were daycare expenses. The argument was
that the tax act was discriminatory against the fact that the woman
was his wife, when she did, indeed, fufill all the functions of a daycare
centre.

This is a tad fuzzy, I'll admit, since it was primarily a teaser on
the CBC news at the time, and the case had not actually been tried.

Does anyone know what happened?

-david-
--
			      David Haynes		
			Sequent Professional Services
			    david@sequent.com
		"I don't remember asking for *any* of this!"
Xref: sparky can.general:6161 bc.general:585
Newsgroups: can.general,bc.general
Subject: Re: deadbeat condo builders
From: johnnie@mtcons.almanac.bc.ca (John Wilkinson)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 12:38:42 PST
Organization: MT Construction, Nanaimo, B.C.

ewong@ucs.ubc.ca (Eldon Wong) writes:



> Unfortunately, the following information may not help you that much, but
> thought you might want to know about it.  The NewsHour on BCTV covered this o
> one of their telecasts a few months back.  According to the show, if the
> builder wasn't part of the New Home Warranty program, there wasn't a lot
> the tenants could do.  I think the end result was that in some buildings,

 Even if a builder is part of the Warranty Program it may not help. There
 is a misconception out there that the program covers deficiencies. It
 may be they give that impression but in reality they only cover structural
 defects. If the problems are things like drywall pops, unfinished work or
 poor work it is up to the client and the builder. It would be helpful if a
 person could locate the individual subtrade involved especially if the
 builder is in trouble.
 A source of information may be the publishers of The Home Builders Guide
 of BC.

 Stewart Communications
 263 Lebleu Street
 Coquitlam, B.C.  V3K 4L8
 (604) 931-4863

Hope that helps
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: amdunn@mongrel.UUCP (Andrew M. Dunn)
Subject: Re: UI Benfits Cut
Organization: A. Dunn Systems Corporation, Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 02:11:07 GMT

In article <BzntHz.DzG@mach1.wlu.ca> dmccrea6@mach1.wlu.ca (doug mccready F) writes:
>
>[...] we must accept personal responsibility to save for
>our own misfortune and STOP looking to government to solve ALL SORTS of
>problems for us.

I'd gladly do this if I wasn't forced to contribute to a plan which
the government has told me for years was for this purpose.

I could save my own UI premiums, and either buy private insurance,
or find some other way to invest the money and use it to take care of
myself if I were unemployed.  

The same goes for pensions.  I was overjoyed to find an employer without
a pension plan -- this meant I could put as much or as little into a 
plan of my own choosing and custodianship as I wanted.  Without being
penalized because my employer offered a plan which I couldn't control.
Unfortunately work with that employer led to unemployment, which brings
us right back into the current topic!

I can't afford to accept personal responsibility for my OWN misfortune
at the same time as I'm forced to pay to cover OTHER PEOPLE's misfortunes.
It's tough to make it work both ways.

I'm not against UI, or social benefits.  But the government can't have
it's cake and eat it too.  Either collective employment insurance works,
or it doesn't.  And right now I don't think it does, either BEFORE or
AFTER the recent change.

So let's call UIC premiums what they are -- a tax to cover welfare.
That's what everybody seems to be advocating, so let's use the big,
ugly T-word, and stop calling a spade an earth conveyance implement.
The government wants to give out welfare payments (again, I don't
oppose this) without calling it a tax.   And it walks like a tax,
and talks like a tax.

It's not insurance.

Andy


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Newsgroups: can.general
From: yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca (Frank F. Yu)
Subject: Addresses of BC universities
Originator: yu@physun
Organization: Dept. of Physics & Astronomy, McMaster University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:30:12 GMT

Hello everybody still on the net,

I need the addresses of the department of economics of the following list
of universities for a friend,

University of British Columbia
Simon Fraser University
University of Victoria
University of Western Ontario

If you know some of them please don't hesitate to e-mail me.

Have a nice holiday!
---
Frank F. Yu                         
Department of Physics and Astronomy 
McMaster University                 (e-mail) yu@physun.physics.mcmaster.ca 
Hamilton, Ontario L8S 4M1           (phone)  (416)525-9140 x3296      
Newsgroups: can.general
From: sepa@enel.ucalgary.ca (Michael Sepa)
Subject: Graduate Student Tax Deductions in Canada -- Books?
Summary: Can GS's use books as an expense on their taxes?
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 06:18:44 GMT
Distribution: canada
Organization: ECE Department, U. of Calgary, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Keywords: Canada, tax, student

	I have heard that a graduate student my deduct from their taxes
	some amount for the cost of school/research related books.  I
	was hoping that someone could enlighten me on how this is done,
	or where I could find the information.  Remember:  Accountants
	are out since:  Student==Poor.

        This is of interest to me since I have some hefty receipts for
        the books I purchased pursuing my 'higher' education, and I
        hope to reclaim some of it on my taxes.

        Please reply to me directly, or to this newsgroup.  I will
        summarize all responses for the benefit of any others.



        Michael Sepa
        sepa@enel.ucalgary.ca or sepa@acs.ucalgary.ca



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From: charles@cs.UAlberta.CA (Charles Jobagy)
Subject: Re: Latest evil Canada Post plot
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:37:34 GMT

nrai@nrai.mentorg.com (Nitin Rai) writes:

>In article <BzorIv.MwK@wimsey.bc.ca>, sl@wimsey.bc.ca (Stuart Lynne) writes:
>|> In article <1992Dec21.055359.16202@xenitec.on.ca> eah@xenitec.on.ca (Ed Hew) writes:
>|> >In article <charles.724433448@menaik> charles@cs.UAlberta.CA (Charles Jobagy) writes:

	Wow, the beauty of technology, one long message edited down to a
single line. Go ahead quote me out of context.

>|> >>And they will perform accordingly.
>|> >
>|> >Wouldn't the postal Unions have a problem with a combination of
>|> >lower pay and coincidental increased performance expectations?
>|> 
>|> On the other hand, given McDonalds success at increasing productivity with
>|> employee motivation and careful design of the workplace, maybe we should 
>|> contract with McDonalds for mail movement ;-)
>|> 
>|> A free Big Mac with every priority post letter you send ...

>How about just giving it United States Postal Service. They actually made a
>profit this year. At least my mail will take less than 5 days to travel 300 miles.....

Then use a courier service. I'm satisfied with Can. Posts performance. It took
less than 2 weeks to receive 3 packages, mailed parcel post during the X-mas
rush, from Windsor. Our X-mas cards, posted from Edmonton were received by
friends in Windsor in less than a week. The only performance shortfall is our
local, private substation. They are incapable of filling out parcel 
notification cards properly. But you gets what you pays for and the brass at
Can Post sure go the extra mile to cover for the private operators mistakes.
Last I heard Can. Post was also being shown to have made a profit.

Charles Jobagy
charles@cs.ualberta.ca
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,talk.politics.animals
From: g9rwaigh@cdf.toronto.edu (Rosemary Waigh)
Subject: Re: Eating killed animals (was Re: Gun Control Petition)
Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:04:04 GMT

In article <viking.724916100@vincent2.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
[...]
>	Now then, on the front end you place a pair of specialized
>pliers over the horns and squeeze.  The horn is pulled cleanly from the
>skull socket, exposing the artery.  The artery is then grabbed with a
>hemostats, stretched, and snipped with a scissors.  This causes the
>artery to retract into the skull and clot.  A few shakes of sulfa
>powder to fight infection and that end is done.

Is any anesthetic used?  Is the procedure done by people with veterinary
training?
>
>	At the back end, you first take your scalpel or X-acto knife
>(replacing blades is easier than honing a scalpel multiple times).  Cut
>the bottom of the sack off.  That should be done in one stroke.  The
>testicles fall out of their own accord, dangling from their tendons.
>Grab the whole mess, wrap it in a simple half-hitch knot, pull it snug,
>and cut below the knot.  Shake some sulfa powder into the now-empty sack
>and you're done with that end.  A good individual can have this done in
>about ten seconds.  Inject any anti-biotics that may be necessary for
>that particular herd to prevent catching the pnuemonia your neighbor's
>herd has, for example, and let him loose.  Total time?  Thirty seconds
>if you're slow about it and take his temperature too.

Again, is any anesthetic used?  Is the procedure done by people with
veterinary training?

A while back I posted excerpts of an article from _Cattleman_ magazine,
a Canadian beef industry journal, in talk.politics.animals.  The article
indicated that both the surgical and elastrator methods of castration caused
some pain.  If anyone cares I can repost the article next week when I return
from my holiday.

[...]
>	Note this isn't just what I've seen, it's what I've done for
>years.  It is also, in my experience, more typical than the abuses
>Rosemary had recited from _Diet for a New America_ I believe it was.

To me what you have described is abusive, and is comparable to what is
documented in _Diet_for_a_new_America_.
-- 
Rosemary Waigh             Undergraduate, Computer Science / Linguistics
g9rwaigh@cdf.utoronto.ca   University of Toronto
	"Looking at the Earth from afar you realize it is too small
	for conflict and just big enough for co-operation."  Yuri Gagarin
Newsgroups: can.general
From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
Subject: Re: Eating killed animals (was Re: Gun Control Petition)
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: can
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 04:38:55 GMT

ENOUGH, ALREADY!

This discussion has nothing to do with can.general. PLEASE move it somewhere
else (alt.food.dietollas?).
--
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Robert Broughton    Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca

"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_
From: buckland@ucs.ubc.ca (Tony Buckland)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Snow in Vancouver
Date: 22 Dec 1992 17:30:34 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, UBC, Canada
Distribution: can
NNTP-Posting-Host: swiss.ucs.ubc.ca

In article <1gtirkINNbku@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> PHANTOM@ERICH.TRIUMF.CA (DONG, ALAN) writes:
>In <1gt4ajINNamk@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca> I wrote
>
>>  This morning, the temperature in Vancouver was -6.  At my altitude,
>>  about 100m, in North Vancouver we still have the crusted remains,
>>  a few cm thick, of a snowfall three days ago, and I expect it to
>>  stick around a few days more.  ...
>Vancouver may yet get a White Christmas... unconfirmed reports indicate that
>another six inches will fall this weekend.  ...

 We got about 30 cm at my house (microclimates are small in a city
 that climbs halfway up a bunch of km-and-a-half mountains).  I spent
 most of Saturday shovelling, with about half of each shift devoted to
 catching up to where I'd left off.  Little traffic except 4-by-4s,
 finally in their own element after a year of chauffeuring kids
 around our clean streets.  Since we're on a merely important street,
 one of the two ways up to the plateau above us, we didn't get
 ploughed until the evening; the little snow-clearing fleet we have
 may be pretty good for the Vancouver region, but it can just about
 keep up with the top priority, keeping the bus routes clear, when
 the snow keeps falling.  Up at the top of the Highland route things
 get steep enough that people spend thousands of dollars building
 flights of steps all the way up the edges of their driveways.
 
 Now, Tuesday morning, it's been raining on and off for three days,
 and only the relatively low temperatures will ensure the lawn still
 qualifies technically for White Christmas.  If the temperature had
 been a few degrees lower, however, that rain would all have been
 snow, and we would have had one of our legendary Greater Vancouver
 chaos situations.
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics,talk.politics.animals
From: viking@bnr.ca (Harold Henrikson)
Subject: Re: Eating killed animals (was Re: Gun Control Petition)
Reply-To: viking@bmerh66.bnr.ca
Organization: BNR Ottawa, Fibre Systems Development
Distribution: can
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 13:35:52 GMT

>Actually there are many people who are dying of starvaton.  If we are going to
>grow more grain than we need, it seems to me that it would be better used to
>feed those who already exist rather than breeding animals to eat it.

Of course the outcome of that particular flavour of brainless altruism never enters
the mind of those who propose it.

1. If we are feeding them for free where is the incentive for them to feed themselves?
   Why would a local start raising food?  Profit?  Kind of hard to undercut the price
   of free.
2. If we are supporting them do we not have the right and indeed the responsibility of
   politically controlling them to ensure the aid is not wasted?
3. If we have a responsibility to feed the starving in the name of humanity do we not
   also have a responsibility to take care of them totally (free medical care, welfare
   money, job trainging, etc)?
4. If the starvation is a result of overpopulation and we really want to solve the
   problem do we not have a responsibility of sterilizing a good portion of the subject
   population to ensure a cure to the situation?

Having said all that, I do support food aid for the poor and starving; here and overseas
- BUT NOT AS A SOLUTION TO THE CAUSATIVE PROBLEM.  By all means feed the Somalian people
- BUT SHOOT THE BLOOD-THIRSTY BASTARDS THAT STARTED THE CIVIL WAR.  Feed the Bosnians -
BUT NUKE BELGRADE UNTIL IT GLOWS AND CALL IT A WORLD MONUMENT TO INSANITY!

Let us either find solutions or leave things alone.  That sounds cruel but consider what
UN peace-keeping in Cyprus accomplished over the last 20-odd years - no settlement of the
issue and no incentive to find one.  Now that we're finally pulling out the Turks and
Greeks can either settle things by themselves or go back to killing each other off.
--
Harold Henriksen                    Bell-Northern Research
email: viking@bmerh694.bnr.ca       Ottawa,Ontario,Canada 

Pillaging and plundering were more fun than programming!
(Opinions are not my employer's and sometimes not mine)
Newsgroups: can.general,can.politics
From: bucknerb@bnr.ca (Brent Buckner)
Subject: Re: UI Benfits Cut
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ontario, Canada
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 16:19:15 GMT

In article <BzM0As.JLy@mach1.wlu.ca> dmccrea6@mach1.wlu.ca (doug mccready F) writes:
>It is to help the single-earner family that suffers a
>calamatous period of unemployment so they will have food and shelter. What
>it has become is a tool for people to get a living without working.

I was under the impression that the welfare system was the one designed
to provide food and shelter to those not otherwise possessing
enough assets or income to purchase same.

The UI system was established to share the risk of loss of
employment.  This allowed working individuals to avoid having to
save sufficient funds to effectively insure themselves.
Their risk of a drop in standard of living decreased. 
They were less likely to encounter mortgage difficulties.

The transformation of UI into an alternative welfare system
strikes me as a major policy problem.

-- 
at Bell-Northern Research
voice:        (613) 765-2739
Canada Post:  P.O. Box 3511, Station C, Ottawa, Canada, K1Y 4H7
I do not claim that BNR holds these views.
From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault)
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Legalized Discrimination in Quebec
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 23:24:04 EST
Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org
Distribution: na
Organization: Thibault & Friends

In article <1992Dec16.205632.14087@cc.umontreal.ca> 
(Roux Claude) writes: 

>  Je n'accepterai les remarques insultantes sur le manque d'ouverture des
> Quebecois que lorsque ces remarques auront ete redigees dans ma langue, me
> prouvant ainsi que la personne a pu avoir un contact direct, personnel avec
> la societe dont il parle et non une image deforme transmise par la rumeur

        Nice thought, if it makes you feel a shade more righteous. You
        talk like my uncle who lives in Chicoutimi. He carries his
        dreams like an old wino with an wrinkled paper bag, afraid to
        open it and face the empty bottle inside. The irony in your
        plainte is that the "lingua franca" of the internet is
        English. The "lingua franca" of just about everything is
        English.

        That's why, even though my milk-tongue is French and I was
        brought up Quebecois, I'm happy I got my family out in '68. We
        not only missed all the juvenile crap, we got to take part in
        the growth of Quebec's greatest gift to Central Canada: Toronto.

        BTW: If you find all this banter personally insulting rather
        than overly-broad slurs about Quebecois in general; we have a
        saying that goes "If the shoe fits, make sure le chat hasn't
        left you un p'tit cadeau."  :-)

        Cheers,
                Marc

Newsgroups: can.general,talk.politics.animals