HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dbbrown@eastrg2.cray.com (Dan Brown)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Digital Librarian and nroff files.
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:30:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.


John,
   The mailer deamon didn't like your address, So I will have to post it on the net.
   Some people might be interested in this anyway. To all the other users, sorry
   for taking up the extra bandwidth.

   Here are the steps I followed when I did my upgrade and fixed my DL (somewhat).

  1) Formatted my drive (Because It is a new drive and will replace my boot drive)
  2) Ran 2.1 version of BuildDisk on the drive.
  3) Ran 3.0 upgrade from CD Rom.
  4) Rebooted machine with new drive and 3.0 installed.
  5) Gave the "me" account a passwd and gave "root" a password.
  6) Rebooted again.
  7) Logged on as root.
  8) Started reindexing my DL files and added the Man pages from "/NextLibrary/Documentation"
     to the Bookshelf of DL.
  9) System hung when trying to index Man pages.
 10) exited DL and restarted. Got a weird alert that contained the path "/usr/lib/indexing/..."
 11) Noticed that the "indexing" directory did not exist on the new drive or CD ROM.
 12) Went to the other drive and found the "indexing" directory and copied it over to the
     new drive in "/usr/lib".
 13) Quit DL and restarted it. 
 14) Tryed to index my man pages and Voila it worked.

Note, I used the "delete" index file option and selected "setup" to reindex. I did not use the
reindex option in the panel. 

I listed the steps I used to try to make it clear as to what I did. Hopefully, it will give
you some ideas. I just got lucky when the alert came up. If you still can't get it to
work after reading this, I wouldn't know how to help you.

Good Luck,

               Dan Brown (dbbrown@eastrg2.cray.com)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: monitor@wc23.writer.yorku.ca (Writing Centre Monitor)
Subject: afs and accessing b/w LANs
Organization: York University
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:27:52 GMT

Hi All,

I'm trying to make a set AFS permissions for a programme on another  
newtwork.  However, I cannot figure out how to specify privileges for
someone who is not on the local network


joel


please respond to joel@writer.yorku.ca  (not NeXT friendly, we're still  
installing the mail programme.)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: songer@lexmark.com (Christopher Songer)
Subject: Re: How Slow is NeXTSTEP 3.0 w/ 8 megs ram?
X-Disclaimer: These views are the poster's and not necessarily those of Lexmark
Organization: Lexington, KY
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1992 14:17:38 GMT

>In article <1992Sep29.203803.12888@terminator.cc.umich.edu>  
>srosie@ftp.ifs.umich.edu (Steven S. Rosenblum) writes:
>> Well, the subject says it all.  I was wondering if anyone's loaded
>> 3.0 onto a 68040 cube with only 8 megs (sniff) of memory?  How
>> slow should I expect the system to run compared with 2.0? 
>

My experience has been that 3.0 is considerably slower on machines
with "lower memory". 12Meg made a Cube run fine for me under 2.1. Under
3.0 it is intolerable. 16Meg also seems marginal for a Colorstation 
under 3.0. Once a job is paged in and going, I don't notice any difference
but any sort of context switching seems to cause serious paging.

As a caveat to all this: machine memory requirements seem to be a very
personal thing. People use machines differently. What is intolerable
for me may be fine for you. So take it all with a grain of salt.

-Chris

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: wfp@jupiter.claremont.edu (W. Frank Price III)
Subject: Re: Message Center functional? Yes!
Reply-To: wprice@pomona.claremont.edu
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 20:34:28 GMT

In article <25714@oasys.dt.navy.mil> curt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Curt Welch)  
writes:
> In comp.sys.next.misc, wfp@jupiter.claremont.edu (W. Frank Price III)  
writes:
> >I just hooked up my new Hayes ISDN Extender.
> >... I hooked up a POTS line ...
> >and ran the MessageCenter demo from 3.0.  Every time I run it, it asks me  
if I
> >have an ISDN Extender hooked up and I say yes.  Anyway, it then goes into  
its
> >waiting mode.
> 
> Everyone that uses POTS hits this problem.  The first time you run it,
> you must answer NO to the hooked up question, set the line type to
> POTS, then restart.
> 
> Curt

You got it.  I got it working just a little while ago.  But it took a little  
figuring out.  Now it is working like a charm though.  The second problem I  
had was the fact that the sounds played MUST be sampled at 8 HZ rather than  
the standard 11 and 22 HZ.  I found that very odd, and I wish there was a  
program which would downsample sounds so I could use some of the digitized  
stuff I have.  Basically, it looks like you have to use a sound recorded by  
the NeXT internal microphone.  Am I going crazy?

Other than that, I'm falling in love with the PhoneKit and am going to start  
expanding MessageCenter immediately.  

-- Frank
__________________________________________________________________________
Frank Price               | wprice@pomona.claremont.edu
                          | "Nothing crashes like a Macintosh."
NeXTMail appreciated      |      - Guy Kawasaki
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: ande@unixg.ubc.ca (Vaughn Anderson)
Subject: CD-audio play
Summary: I can't here the vocals!
Keywords: next, cd-rom, beatles
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 01:02:40 GMT

	Using CDplayer works fine for me with one exception. I've been listening
to CD's through head phones so yesterday I got quite a shock when I tried out
the Rubber Soul CD by the Beatles. As Beatles fans know the fab four used some
strange stereo effects so you have the vocals coming out of one speaker and the
instruments coming out the other. I get only the instruments! Does anyone out
there know how to control the balance?


						Vaughn Anderson
						Math Grad Student
						U.B.C.
						ande@unixg.ubc.ca

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke)
Subject: Re: How do you expand buffers?
Reply-To: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de (Thomas Funke)
Organization: NNU Corp. - NeXT is Not UN*X
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 16:51:06 GMT

In article <1992Sep24.141806.24542@hamblin.math.byu.edu>  
bill@mathnx.math.byu.edu (Bill Smith) writes:
> 
> A kind soul at NeXT pointed out to me that you can set up your machine
> to boot with any (well, within reason) number of buffers.  In the ROM
> monitor type   p  <return>  and when it says  boot device (or something
> like that)  type sd- nbuf=64,  or whatever number of buffers you want,
> cycle through the preferences till you get the >Next prompt again and
> type "b".  So, is "more" always better here??  Of course, if you're
> not booting from your local hard disk, adjust accordingly.

Good hack! But still I can only install 99 Buffers, because that !@#$$  
command-line is limited to 11 characters only.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------
Thomas Funke  ** E-mail: thf@zelator.in-berlin.de
NeXT-Developer * Unix-Consultant
------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: mike@n2.cemi.unt.edu (Mike McBride)
Subject: Score for the NeXT "serious music publishing"
Keywords: music notation
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:54:36 GMT

Who has heard what?  I am seeking information.  Has anyone seen Score on the  
NeXT yet?  And what about price range?

--
Mike McBride
Center for Experimental Music and Intermedia
University of North Texas                    (817)565-3764
Internet: (NeXTMail ok)   <mike@cube.cemi.unt.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: vhs@rhein-main.de (Volker Herminghaus-Shirai)
Subject: Re: OD under 3.0
Reply-To: vhs@rhein-main.de
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 06:54:31 GMT

In article <BvFuKC.E02@gate.demon.co.uk> paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch)  
writes:
> In article <1actp1INN9km@gap.caltech.edu> madler@cco.caltech.edu (Mark  
> Adler) writes:
> > 
> > I'll agree with "supposed to".  The OD works, but 3.0 Workspace doesn't
> > seem to think that it's a removable media, and the Eject operation is  
> not
> > lit and does not function.  Nor does dropping the OD in the recycler.
> > Nor does logging off.  In fact, the only time I tried logging off with
> > the OD still mounted and all, the system froze.
> > 
> > The only thing that does work is to umount and disk -e as root.
> > 
> > I have also had problems ejecting CD's, but I haven't played enough with
> > that to characterize the problems completely.
> 
> I get the Disk Workspace menu greyed out for floppies, CDs and ODs.  This  
> is intermittent.  So far, loggin out has always ejected the devices, as  
> has umount and disk -e.

The Disk->* Workspace menu is greyed out when the active file viewer window
does not display a directory on a removable media. Click on the appropriate
icon in the file viewer to display a (e.g. the root) directory of the
OD or Floppy disk. Then the Disk->Eject menu item should be selectable.

--
Volker Herminghaus-Shirai (vhs@rhein-main.de)

Computer industry: Industry in which the number of units sold of any
given product is inversely proportional to its technical excellence.
See also: MS-DOS, Windows, IBM-PC, X, QWERTY,
          80x86, TrueType, Survival of the shittest.
From: maurices@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Maurice Shihadi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: What FAX modems do work with NS3.0?
Date: 29 Sep 92 02:41:08 GMT
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA

In article <jchin.92Sep28104353@johnette.prodigy.bc.ca> jchin@prodigy.bc.ca writes:
>Does Dove Fax work under 3.0?
>
>Joe

I called NeXT last Friday and they say yes although I've yet to do
it myself.

maurices
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: srosie@ftp.ifs.umich.edu (Steven S. Rosenblum)
Subject: How Slow is NeXTSTEP 3.0 w/ 8 megs ram?
Keywords: NeXTSTEP 3.0, performance
Organization: University of Michigan, IFS Project
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 20:38:03 GMT

Well, the subject says it all.  I was wondering if anyone's loaded
3.0 onto a 68040 cube with only 8 megs (sniff) of memory?  How
slow should I expect the system to run compared with 2.0? 

	please e-mail responses to me at

	rosenblum@mich.physics.lsa.umich.edu.

	Thanks in advance,
	rosie
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: Hal.Varian@umich.edu
Subject: Re: OD under 3.0
Reply-To: Hal.Varian@umich.edu
Organization: University of Michigan Math Dept
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:39:46 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.173557.12703@dale.ksc.nasa.gov>  
jporter@picard.ksc.nasa.gov (John Porter) writes:
> I seem to remember back when 3.0 was just an apple in our collective eye (no  
> pun intended.  well, not too much)  that there were mutterings the the  
Optical  
> Disk would no longer be supported.  I just upgraded and my OD seems to work  
> just fine.  Am I missing something here?  It wouldn't be the first time.

That was a confusion in the earlier thread. Software support for ODs was always  
supposed to be part of 3.0, and is, in fact, there.  It is the  Turbo hardware  
that will not support the OD.
--
Hal.Varian@umich.edu    Hal Varian
voice: 313-764-2364     Dept of Economics
fax:   313-764-2364     Univ of Michigan
                        Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: paul@seer.demon.co.uk (Paul Lynch)
Subject: BlackHole fans!
Organization: Demon Internet Services.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 11:32:44 GMT
Originator: paul@seer.demon.co.uk

I haven't tried this, because I don't really want to change my recycler  
icon, but....

Has anyone taken a look inside /usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app and  
/usr/lib/NextStep/Workspace.app/WM.app in 3.0?

There are some interesting icons in there: recycler.tiff, and  
trash.[1-3].alpha.tiff, apart from lots of other interesting bundles and  
things.  Purely speculation, but changing these for some BlackHole tiffs  
might be an interesting experiment.

Paul
-- 
Paul Lynch
P & L Systems                        (NeXTmail) paul@seer.demon.co.uk
Tel: (0494)671501                           paull@cix.compulink.co.uk
Fax: (0494)680228                            76711.451@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andrew@cubetech.com
Subject: Re: top 10 reasons to buy a HoUSE instead of a NeXT
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:33:37 GMT

Why I just bought another NeXT instead of a cAR.

  10.  A tricked out NSC was way cheaper than an equivelent car.
   9.  I don't need to get uninsured user insurance on my NeXT.
   8.  Although it's a 'sports car' computer, insurance doesn't
       cost more than on a PC.
   7.  If it really crashes hard, it only takes a few hours to get it
       back up to the condition it was previously in.
   6.  I never have to sit in miles of traffic on a 100+ degree day
       while using my NeXT.
   5.  I never have to pump gas, no matter how much I use it.
   4.  Electricity is cheaper than gas.
   3.  I didn't have to deal with idiots wearing cheap suits to buy
       it.
   2.  If I load it up with RAM it goes way faster, but I don't have
       to worry about getting pulled over by some jerk cop with a
       quota.

   1.  I don't have to wash bird droppings off my NeXT.



andrew
-- 
andrew@cubetech.com     | "We shall not cease from exploration
Andrew Loewenstern      |  And the end of our exploring
Cube Technologies, Inc. |  Will be to arrive where we started
                        |  And know the place for the first time." -T.S. Eliot
From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXt: fire your head of product distribution
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:40:48 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Oct5.163926.2680@schaefer.math.wisc.edu>  
haller@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Kirk Haller) writes:
> NeXt: If you don't have something in stock, let your customers know,  
otherwise
> get the orders right!!!!!!

NeXT still doesn't keep a stock, do they?  That was one of
the things they impressed me with when I was out there
years ago.  Machines were built basically on demand.  Is
that still the case?  Are they having trouble keeping up? 
Is there a shortage of some of the components?

Allen B (Was that really three years ago?)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: Adobe/Sun Announce
Keywords: Adobe Sun Solaris Postscript
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:30:15 GMT

wierda@ltb.ltb.bso.nl (Gerben Wierda) writes:
>
>Oh, btw, how is Sun making DisplayPostScript run on those X terminals?
>

Sun have announce some sort of deal with Labtam, an Australian
manufacturer of very fast X terminals (some say the fastest) based on
the i960CA. I originally thought they'd be porting the OpenWindows
server but it may be just a X11r5 server with DPS bolted on.
-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)		"int - God's own type"
From: amnon@milo.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Help! Floppy gone berserk!
Date: 2 Oct 1992 21:04:52 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: milo.berkeley.edu
Originator: amnon@milo.berkeley.edu

Problem: Disk drive ejects over and over when workspace is 
logged in.

Hardware: 68040 NeXT cube, NeXTSTEP 3.0, Built-in floppy 
drive.

Please help! I've got a mysterious problem with the built in 
floppy drive in my '040 cube. As soon as any user logs into 
the workspace, the disk drive ejects over and over. The only 
way to stop it is to cycle the power. Logging out or 
resetting has no effect. The last floppy that worked well was 
in good shape, no part of the label or piece of the disk is 
missing. I've checked the drive as best as I can for any 
obstructions. It seems to be fine mechanically, as disks can 
be put into the drive and the eject cleanly and immediately 
as soon as the machine starts running the eject motor. Remote 
logins do not trigger this problem, and I have looked for 
rogue processes as root. A console window shows a list of 
"Unformatted disk" error messages, one for each eject. I have 
just installed 3.0 with a borrowed optical drive and it may 
be a few weeks before I can get the drive again so I haven't 
tried reinstalling the system. The machine read a number of 
disks without problem before the disk drive went berserk. The 
last disk read was a little unusual in that it was filled to 
capacity. I tried logging in over the serial port, this did 
not trigger the problem. I checked the mtab and the floppy 
drive was not mounted. At this point I have no idea if it is
hardware or software.



Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!



-Amnon
amnon@milo.berkeley.edu     NeXT mail ok
From: wierda@ltb.ltb.bso.nl (Gerben Wierda)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Adobe/Sun Announce
Keywords: Adobe Sun Solaris Postscript
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:36:29 GMT
Organization: BSO/LT, Baarn, The Netherlands


Ha, Ha Ha Haaaaaa, Ha HA HA, Haaaaaaa!

Oh, btw, how is Sun making DisplayPostScript run on those X terminals? I said
this would happen. NeWS will die, and as soon as Sun announced the coop with X
terminal producers I knew it would die.

It is also bad news for NeXT in the long run. This is an attack on one of
their key advantages. However, Sun must make it work yet.

Did someone say "Bud Tribble?"

Cheers,
-- 
wierda@ltb.bso.nl (Gerben Wierda) || I speak for myself and not for my employer.
(+31) 2154 84414/(+31) 35 833539  || Support the League for Programming Freedom!
    "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there."
    (From the Talmud(?), rephrased in) Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland".
From: fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Pathetic news from NeXT--what's new??
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:15:17 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH


> >Greatly disappointed,
> 
> You ain't alone.  This sucks.
> 

Ditto.  NeXT really knows how to completely aggravate their customers.

How about a new group?  comp.sys.next.complaints.  I'm quite sure they'd  
get hundreds of postings every month.  I'm also *VERY* sure NeXT would  
completely ignore that group entirely.

mjg@dartmouth.edu (NeXTmail welcome)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer
From: ede978e@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Robert D. Nicholson)
Subject: Dragging Protocal
Summary: Dragging protocol
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:07:53 GMT

Has anybody got a <simple> example of the new dragging protocal performing
the ability to take a filename from the workspace.  I don't need the links
and stuff that draw seems to be using.

I just need to capture the filename from the workspace having dropped it
in my view.

Cheers.

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From: rizzi@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (daniele rizzi)
Subject: help with concurrent threads
Keywords: threads
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:05:39 GMT
Summary: threads



Hi all,
I'm trying to build an application with two concurrent c_threads, the former
 managing the windows, the latter working with the DSP56.
I would like that the secondary thread shows the result of its computation
to the main window, so in the 'c' code I have inserted the method:

[form setIntValue:the_result];

at runtime, sometimes the program crashes with 'Unlock the Wrong View' message
and various DPS-errors. Why?

				Dany Rizzi

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer
From: timm@xongmao.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren)
Subject: Re: isKindOf: and IsKindOfClassNamed: problems
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 04:26:08 GMT

alex@cs.umd.edu (Alex Blakemore) writes:

>In article <1992Sep28.062357.11948@doberman.uucp> doberman!mike@esunix.sim.es.com writes:> 
>>-   First, in 2.x the second method was called isKindOfGivenName: and
>>    is now isKindOfClassNamed: in 3.0.  No warning or anything that I'm
>>    aware of indicated this change, and there is no backwards compatibility.

>this and the other name changes are described in the developer
>release notes which are on line.  rationale is provided.

>the behavior you found in gdb may make more sense after you
>read those notes. 

Well, I can't seem to find a rationale for the changes, although I 
did find them documented in ObjC.rtf in the Developer Release Notes.
I am having the same problem as the original poster.  And the Release Notes
don't make the behavior any clearer to me.  I should think that these
things should both return YES or both return NO.  Any other clues?

-- 
Tim McClarren     | "...a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks."
timm@ncsa.uiuc.edu|
(217)244-0015     |
From: lebay@mercury.cl.msu.edu (Jim LeBay)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer
Subject: Re: rtf to ASCII filter
Date: 30 Sep 92 01:56:37 GMT
Reply-To: lebay@msu.edu
Organization: Michigan State University

In article <1992Sep29.152344.1051@afs.com> mikem@afs.com (Mike Matlack)  
writes:
> 
> Is there a public domain rtf to ASCII filter?  
> 
> We'd like to be able to write code in rtf using Edit (e.g. to make  
> comments a differnt font than code) and use the rtf to ASCII filter as  
> part of the make process.
> 
> If you are doing anything like this, I'd like to hear about your setup.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> mikem
> --
> Michael J. Matlack
> Anderson Financial Systems
> mikem@afs.com (NeXTmail is OK)

How about   /usr/bin/rtf-ascii  in NS 3.0, 
or /usr/lib/indexing/rtf-ascii  in NS 2.x.

-------------------
Jim LeBay                            (517) 353-1800
Computer Information Center          lebay@msu.edu
Michigan State University            lebay@mercury.cl.msu.edu (NeXTmail)
*=*=*   I feel better than James Brown!   *=*=*
From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.programmer
Subject: Re: gcc2.2.2
Date: 28 Sep 1992 17:18:49 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
Reply-To: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar)
NNTP-Posting-Host: pundit.cithep.caltech.edu

In article <1992Sep27.230337.5344@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>  
fermat@fermat.dartmouth.edu (Michael Glenn) writes:
> In article <1992Sep25.112038.1443@cs.uoregon.edu>  
> bfjeld@obelix.cs.uoregon.edu (Bjorn S. Fjeld Pettersen) writes:
> > Have anyone compiled gcc2.2.2 on the NeXT? I'm following the 
> > instructions, and it won't go past rtl.c. I'm using 3.0.
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Build using GCC 2.1, which is available in binary form on the archives.  Or  
wait for GCC 2.3 (due in early October) which should be a little more  
NeXT-aware,

- Ernie P.

--
Ernest N. Prabhakar                  Caltech High Energy Physics
Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu)
CaJUN President        NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu
"...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 4:5b
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