From: wag5@quads.uchicago.edu (john peter wagner)
Subject: Re: Clinton In New Jesery
Reply-To: wag5@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 03:11:53 GMT

In article <1443@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
>In article <1992Sep30.194129.16528@erenj.com> bdboyle@erenj.com (Bryan D. Boyle) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep30.174855.2000@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky) writes:
>>>In article <1441@dosbears> drp@dosbears.uucp writes:
>>>>In article <1ab8c8INN4i3@plts.uucp> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>His negotiating skills developed for getting concensus resulted in
>>>>>people calling him "Slick Willie".
>>>>
>>>>Actually, "Slick Willie's" is the name of a bar in Little Rock;
>>>>some local newsperson started calling Clinton that and it stuck.
>>>>
>>>so much for this "liberal media" propaganda horse crap.
>
>There's a local paper (Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, or some such
>goofy newspapaper name) that's been anti-Clinton for as long
>as he's been Governor. I'm not sure if they're the ones who
>started the "Slick Willie" thing, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Whoah! Totally wrongo!
	The 'Democrat-Gazette' is a rather new construct formed
from the loser of the two-major-Arkansas newspaper war between
the 'Arkansas Democrat' and the 'Arkansas Gazette.'  The Gazette
and the Democrat were both liberal papers.  They have not been
'anti-Clinton,' unless you are talking about all the stories by reporters
of complaining teachers and taxpayers.  The 'Democrat-Gazette' is a fairly
recent paper arisen from that war. I think it came into being as soon
as a few years ago.(Maybe two).


>
>>Or maybe, like a recent "slick" politician, he is perceived as 
>>talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, with
>>the truth a distant casualty.
>
>I heard an interesting snippet yesterday on NPR that goes back
>to what Tom says above. Apparently Clinton lost his first
>re-election campaign because he targeted the "Big Timber"
>industry in Arkansas - he tried to get them to stop clear-cutting.
>He didn't have enough of a coalition behind his re-election
>effort, so the timber industry was able to blow him away with
>money. When he came back in the next election he had transformed
>himself into Slick Willie, super campaigner. If that's what it
>takes to effect positive change in Arkansas, or positive change
>in this country, then so be it.
>

Slick Willie has done a lot of stupid and pointless things.
They costed Arkansas money, and practically destroyed the original
culture.
	The only advantage to being Machiavellian is that there
is a certain lack of bloodshed between states since there are
basically no competing states, given the success of the Machiavllian
prince, i.e, Clinton to control them. This should not be the case
in the U.S. government; the different branches of the government were
designed to balance each other to prevent Machiavellian dictator
type government.  There is no competing state that must be overwhelmed from
within ourselves.  If we wanted such, why not simply appoint a dictator,
like Hitler? Ah, I see, you Democrats are doing just that.

			John Wagner


>         David R. Preston   drp@dosbears.uucp dosbears@netcom.com