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From: schraag@fwi.uva.nl (Joost Schraag)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Dutch competition, deleyed games.
Summary: played 8/4.
Date: 9 Apr 92 12:07:05 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
X-Should-Be-Newsgroup: rec.sport.football.real

FC Twente - FC Utrecht 2-0
   73' Mulder
   90' de Boer

Fortuna Sittard - RKC 1-0
   69' Szalma

New table after the weekend.

joost.

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From: khoub-s@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Siamak Khoubyari)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: PREDICTION 1994: WHO WILL WIN?
Date: 15 Apr 92 22:57:42 GMT
Reply-To: khoub-s@cs.buffalo.edu
Organization: SUNY at Buffalo, Computer Science / CEDAR
Originator: khoub-s@rotanev.cs.buffalo.edu


In article <1992Apr15.224358.19926@acsu.buffalo.edu>, 
|> >Who will be World Champions?
|> 
|>                  GERMANY

Absolutely! :-)  

-- Siamak
From: chrislim@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Christopher Lim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Who won Utd or City or was it a draw?
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:14:04 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.44350
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center

In article <1992Apr7.234441.2939@cs.rose-hulman.edu> geraghj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John Geraghty) writes:
>
>The subject title says all I have to say really!?!
>
>But seriously I am a Man Utd fan starved of soccer news since I came
>to the States way back in August. Pleeeeaaasssseeee will some one tell
>me what's going on? How are my beloved Utd doing?
>
>John Geraghty.

 I'm also an ardent "RED DEVILS" fan and have been slowly dyin' due to a lack of soccer news on television and in the press here in the States.
 So, if any1 out there knows the score for the Manchester Derby between Utd. and City kindly post as soon as possible.

Thanx.
From: bruce@tcom.stc.co.uk (Bruce Munro)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Brian Doggett's Farewell Posting
Date: 7 Apr 92 13:44:10 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.

Did anyone out there save a copy of Brian "Gooner" Doggett's farewell
message to r.s.s in which he gave his home address? If so I'd be grateful
if they could send me a copy, or send me his home address.

Thanks in advance,
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From: pjp12@phx.cam.ac.uk (P.J. Parsons)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Souness shocker: April 16th
Date: 16 Apr 92 11:42:36 GMT
Reply-To: pjp12@phx.cam.ac.uk (P.J. Parsons)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK


In article  <1992Apr16.073949.1890@tcom.stc.co.uk> tim@tcom.stc.co.uk (Tim
Kennedy) writes :

> The Daily Mirror today features Souness on the front page,  with the
> headline SHAME OF SOUNESS.  The story is that on the third anniversary
> of Hillsborough,  the Liverpool manager had an exclusive interview
> with the Sun newspaper about his lovelife,  with him snogging his
> new girlfriend on the front page.

> In view of the appalling headlines the Sun sported following the tragedy
> in which it was claimed among other things that survivors were robbing
> the bodies,  the relatives of the dead are in uproar about the man's
> insensitivity.  Apparently he got a substantial sum of money.

He didn't actually make any money from the story. His 'fee' was donated to
Alder Hey Children's Hospital in Liverpool. This doesn't however excuse his
giving the Sun the story in the first place. The Sun is one of the worst 
culprits for giving football a bad image, and is an insult to journalism.

The Mirror story goes on to quote various people associated with support
groups in calling for the sacking of Graham Souness, since they consider him
a disgrace to the club and the city. One father who lost his son in the
tragedy claimed he was going to get his son' name removed from the memorial
at the club unless Souness goes.

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                   !       GOO-ARN!!!        !
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From: rxl@crosfield.co.uk (rxl)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: USA WORLD CUP AND english supremecy, (ha ha ha)
Date: 8 Apr 92 11:01:08 GMT
Reply-To: rxl@crosfield.co.uk (#richard lovelock)
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Crosfield Electronics, Hemel Hempstead, United Kingdom.

In article <12757206@um.cc.umich.edu> BRIAN.JEFFREY.COOK@UM.CC.UMICH.EDU writes:

>i think you are missing a key word when it comes to soccer in the world
>cup.  WORLD!!!!  i.e. international.  the world doesn't revolve around
>england any more.  that sort of stopped after the second world war.

 I agree, but could you tell me when the WORLD Series Baseball will next
 be held in Europe ?

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From: ant@cray.com (Tony Jones)
Subject: misquoting (was USA WORLD CUP AND english supremecy)
Followup-To: news.software.readers
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:48:09 CDT

In article <1992Apr8.100135.17472@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at> kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans) writes:

>In article <1992Apr7.131915.1889@hemlock.cray.com> ant@cray.com writes:
>>kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at) writes:
>>: all i hear is bitching and maoning abuot the cup in america and how
>>: it should be in a soccer playing nation.  well, i would be interested
>
>[etc, etc, i didn't read the rest]
>
>I don't know who wrote what you quoted, but I certainly DID NOT!
>PLEASE check who you're quoting!!


I'm very sorry about this Karel.

It would seem that the newsreader I use "tin", when it threads articles 
together, can get the wrong user associated with a particular article.

When the software says 'x' sent this, I tend to believe it. I guess I'll
have to be more cautious in future.

What a package, 1001 really neat features and a crippling bug, looks like
a return to plain old 'rn'

tony

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silveira)
Subject: Re: USA WORLD CUP AND english supremecy, (ha ha ha)
Reply-To: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu
Organization: Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of
	Technology
	<1992Apr8.022430.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:28:18 GMT



In article <1992Apr8.022430.1@mscf.med.upenn.edu> mills_j@mscf.med.upenn.edu writes:

   SROWELL@ESOC.BITNET writes:
   > 
   > On a final note, Mr. Cook, if the 'WORLD' part of the World Cup is so
   > important, how come the US 'World' Series excludes other countries? (:-))
   > 
         Certainly, Simon, you don't think Canada is a part of the U.S.?  I
   guess, though, we should call it the "our-corner-of-the-world" series.8-)


You mean the North-American Baseball Champsionship for men ?

(sorry, could not resist).

-Miguel

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From: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Daniel Cohen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Gresley in League Cup Final
Keywords: Gresley Rovers
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:49:34 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London

According to today's paper, Gresley Rovers beat Westfield (?) 3-0 in the
second leg of the West Midlands League Cup semi-final, having won the
first leg 2-0. So they advance into the Final with a whacking 5-0
aggregate victory.

Daniel Cohen              Department of Computer Science 
Email: dc@dcs.qmw.ac.uk   Queen Mary and Westfield College
Tel: +44 71 975 5245/4/9  Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK
Fax: +44 81 980 6533      *** Glory, Glory, Hallelujah ***
From: S947607@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (Pavel Nikiforovitch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Ussr history (was Re: High Scoring?)
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:57:44 GMT

This is the list of USSR football team participations in major football tour-
naments (somebody here was interested):

World Cup
----------
1958 - quarterfinals (5th- 8th places)
1962 - quarterfinals (5th -8th places)
1966 - 4th place
1970 - quarterfinals (5th - 8th places)
1974 - didn't qualify
1978 - didn't qualify
1982 - 2th place in quarterfinal 3-team tournament (5th- 8th places)
1986 - 1/8 finals (9th - 16th places)
1990 - 4th place in group tournament (19th - 24th places)

European Championship
---------------------
1960 - 1st place
1964 - 2nd place
1968 - 4th place
1972 - 2nd place
1976 - quarterfinals (5th - 8th places)
1980 - didn't qualify
1984 - didn't qualify
1988 - 2nd place
1992 - ? (qualified)

Olympics
--------
1952 - 1/8 finals (9th - 16th places)
1956 - 1st place
1960 - didn't qualify
1964 - didn't qualify
1968 - didn't qualify
1972 - 3rd - 4th places
1976 - 3rd place
1980 - 3rd place
1984 - qualified but refused to go to LA (because of stupid politics)
1988 - 1st place
1992 - didn't qualify
From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Question regarding goalkeeping
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:35:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: hellgate.1992Apr9.133551.9113
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Apr9.142717.3891@oakhill.sps.mot.com> asim@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Asim Omair) writes:
>Last week when our team was playing in a small league, our goalie stopped the
>ball (which was on the ground) with his hands but didn't pick it up. Then he
>pushed the ball, with his hands,a couple of yards and as he picked up the ball
>to kick it the referee blew the whistle and gave the other team an indirect 
>free kick. According to my knowledge, the goalie's action were correct but
>somebody told me that there has been some changes in the rules. Could somebody
>please explain the new rule regarding the above incident.


Yep, FIFA has made 2 new rules, theoritically to improve goal scoring. The one
you mention is that a goalie can not use his hands to control a ball, then
pick it up. If he does, this results in an indirect free kick. Now it is open
to interpretation. If it is a hard shot, that he can not catch, but deflects
with his hands, he can pick it up. But if it is something he can catch, but
just uses his hands to control the ball and then picks it up, he can be called
for it. How this will improve scoring, I don't understand. It really doesn't
seem to have much effect on the play of the game.

The other rule, is when a defender fouls a player who is on his way to
goal with no other defender (except the goalie) to beat, it is a red card
on the defender. I can see how this can result in more scoring, but it is
rarely called around here (even in obvious cases) as I think referees hate
to give red cards. As a defender, I think this results in more fouling. In
order to avoid allowing a player to get past, then risk a red card, it is
better to take out the forward while he is still upfield of you. As he is
upfield of you more frequently, I think fouls are more common.


Any opinions from other players?


Tom
From: marco@Damrod.McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Marco Petroni)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Torino 2 Real Madrid 0
Date: 16 Apr 92 12:55:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: thunder.1992Apr16.125534.6765
Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines, Montreal, Canada

In article <siludINN104@agate.berkeley.edu> 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>Just finished watching Torino - Real Madrid on KTSF (San Francisco)
>
> [stuff deleted].
>
>Both teams missed a few good opportunities; towards
>the end of the first half Casagrande ended up alone in fron of the
>goal, following a series of beautiful passes, but could not beat the
>Spanish goalie.

Bad luck for Casagrande. He had at least three great opportunities
to score, but his shots were right on Buyo. 

>Marchegianno had a few nice saves, against Michel and
>Hagi shots. Real's offensive strategy is highly questionable.

Well, as the Italian commentators said during the game, with the line-up
that Real fielded yesterday, there was no player who is especially
dangerous inside the penalty area. This is not to say that they
did not have some good potential goal scorers, but players like Hagi
are very dangerous from a distance with their strong, accurate
shots...

>On Torino's side, Scifo and Lentini showed great craftsmanship while
>Marchegianni defended the goal flawlessly.

Another player that I enjoy watching is Annoni. This guy is like an
engine (or as they say in Italy "un motorino"). He's a fast
runner, is capable of long and precise passes and is also a good
defender.

I was surprised to see Mondonico (Toro's coach) pull Casagrande from
the game when there was still 15 minutes left in the match. Had the
game gone into extra time, the Torino coach might have regretted this
move, as Torino would have been missing a key player in front of the
net.


In any case, congratulations for Torino! The final with Ajax will be
a good one, and a tough one for the Italians. The Dutch have a very
impressive team (at least when they played Genoa), and Torino will
be playing the first leg without Fusi who got his second yellow
card of the UEFA Cup competition yesterday. Fortunately, though,
Policano will be back...


In the Champions' Cup, Samp gets a chance at revenge against Barc,a,
which they met a few years ago in the Cup Winner's Cup final (which
Barcelona won)...


Marco...
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From: manoel@wam.umd.edu (Manoel Mendonca)
Subject: Re: High Scoring? (was Re: 1994 world cup...)
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:15:19 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.054627.10805@math.ucla.edu> dstein@rhea.math.ucla.edu (David Stein) writes:
>vlad@erg.sri.com (vlad) writes: 
>|> David, to fill your data. In 1978, Poland is missing from your list of
>|> Forces.
>   [ plus other data - thanks! ]
>
>The list so far:
>
>    SuperPower  MegaPower       Power           Force
>    ==========  =========       =====           =====
>90: Germany;    Argentina;      Italy,England;  Cze,Yugo,Cameroon,Ireland
>88: Holland;    USSR;           Germany,Italy
>86: Argentina;  Germany;        France,Belgium; England,Spain,Brazil,USSR
>84: France;     Spain;          Portug,Denmark
>82: Italy;      Germany;        France,Poland;  USSR,Brazil,England,Austria
>80: Germany;    Belgium;        Cze,Italy
>78: Argentina;  Holland;        Italy,Brazil;   Austria,Germany,Peru,Poland
>76: Czechosl; 	Germany         Holland,Yugo
>74: Germany;	Holland;	Poland,Brazil;	Sweden,E.Germ,Argent,Yugo?
>72: Germany;    USSR; 		Hungary,?????
>70: Brazil;	Italy;		Germany,Uruq;	USSR,England,Mexico,Yugo?
>68: Italy;      Spain?;		USSR,England
>66: England;	Germany;	Portugal,USSR;	USSR,Argentina,Uruquay,Hungary
>64: Spain; 	USSR;		????,????
>62: Brazil;	Czechosl;	Yugo, Chile	Germany,Hungary,
>60: USSR;	????;		????,????
>
>   Can someone complete/correct the table?
>   (Only down to 1960 is needed.)
> 
-------- Stuff deleted ---------


	Yes, I can. Why don't you include the Latin American teams in the years
that don't have World Cups (60 , 64 , 68 , 72 , etc).

-- Manoel


>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>I'm not a native speaker of English, so I'm not sure what I wrote.
>Flames will be ignored unless you post them in perfect Czech.
>================================ - David (the metamathician) - ===
From: ap63@woodstock.umd.edu (Jurgen Klinsmann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Please post the USA: CHINA result.
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:24:29 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <8APR199213164616@watson.bms.com> mehta@watson.bms.com (Pradhyuman Mehta) writes:
>In article <andy-4/8/92+12:00:37?PM@rocky>, andy@rocky.gte.com (Andy Busa) writes...
>> 
>>> I wouldn't fancy the chances of the US team against most English
>>> first division sides.
>> 
>>For what it is worth, a very weaken US team beat Sheffield Wednesday 2-0
>>last fall.
>
>I guess Wednesday must have played their 3rd team in this game :-) No to demean 
>the US team, but I doubt that they'd do well in your scenario. Just a gut 
>reaction.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Prej.

Note: i attended this game and the Maryland Bays - Sheffield Wedneday match
a couple of days before. Bays (ex-APSL) lost 0-2 on a superb 2nd half 
turnaround by the Owls. Bays had 2 excellent chances to score by Jean Harbor
on  breakaways, he shot short of the near post and fell on the other chance.
Normally, Harbor would have made these shots if they hadn't played on such
a crummy pitch. The score was 0-0 at half and was evenly played by both teams.

Wednesday were with their full squad; Hirst, Pearson, Sheridan, Worthington,
Williams and the like.
Woods wasn't signed yet and Turner was in goal. Harkes was made
captain, and Viv Anderson and Trevor Francais played too.

It was a close game and Maryland Bays dominated in the air throughout the
entire match.

-Klinsi
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: st912880@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: MAN U or LEEDS?
Reply-To: st912880@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:33:15 GMT

I would appreciate it if someone could provide the following information:

The remaining matches (opponents and dates) for both Man U and Leeds.

Who has the easier/harder task of winning the championship?
Is it Man or Leeds?
Or could it be Sheffield Wednesday?

Please give OBJECTIVE answers. 
JTKE
From: nschwarz@neumann.une.oz.au (Norman Schwarz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Players of the Year in England ?
Summary: the players are
Date: 10 Apr 92 02:17:07 GMT

In article <5288@prles2.prl.philips.nl>, collins@nvpna1.prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins) writes:
> Who won the PFA Player of the Year and Young Player of the Year awards ?.
> 
I do believe (this was reported during the English Soccer program in Australia
on Monday 6 April) that Gary Pallister was PFA player of the year, and 
Ryan Giggs PFA Young player of the year. I don't know how correct this is, but 
it's what the commentators of the Man Utd highlights reported.

Xref: sparky rec.sport.soccer:5075 soc.culture.french:2862
From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se (Kent Hedlundh)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.french
Subject: French team of the week - Strasbourg
Date: 7 Apr 92 14:27:16 GMT
Organization: Dep. of Info.Proc, Umea Univ., Sweden


Racing Club de Strasbourg
-------------------------
Founded: 1906
Address: Stade de la Meinau; 12 rue de Extenwoerth; 67100 Strasbourg.
Stadium: Stade de la Meinau, same address.
    Capacity: 45000                    Record: ?
Colours: Blue and White.
Honours: Champions 1979
Winners of "la Coupe de France" 1951, 1966
President: Nicolas Wiltberger.
Trainer: Gilbert Gress - 17/12/1941.

PLAYERS:

    Goalies:
         Sansone, Sylvain - 1(/10/1967 - 1.80 m, 75 kg.
         Weber, Laurent - 1/9/1972 - 1.75 m, 72 kg.

    Defenders:
         Lebouef, Franck - 22/1/1968 - 1.84 m, 70 kg.
         Mura, Eric - 23/1/1963 - 1.73 m, 66 kg.
         Keshi, Stephen - 23/1/1962 - 1.85 m, 80 kg. Niger.
         Dall'Oglio, Olivier - 16/5/1964 - 1.76 m, 70 kg.
         Cobos, Jose - 23/4/1968 - 1.80 m, 73 kg.
         Rolling, Franck - 23/8/1968 - 1.83 m, 75 kg.
         Soppo-Den, Stephane - 5/8/1971 - 1.75 m, 66 kg.
         Jenner, Serge - 24/1/1960 - 1.70 m, 65 kg.

    Midfielders:
         Etame, Jean-Jacques - 23/11/1968 - 1.80 m, 72 kg.
         Hasek, Ivan - 6/9/163 - 1.72 m, 68 kg. Czechoslovak.
         Guerra, Jose - 18/7/1964 - 1.74 m, 73 kg. Portuguese.
         Pouliquen, Yvon - 17/10/1962 - 1.74 m, 76 kg.
         Keller, Marc - 14/1/1968 - 1.75 m, 69 kg.

    Forwards:
         Didaux, Cyriaque - 19/8/1960 - 1.83 m, 77 kg. Gambia.
         Peron, Jean-Francois - 11/10/1965 - 1.72 m, 66 kg.
         Monczuk, Didier - 18/2/1961 - 1.80 m, 80 kg.

Kent


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From: $chiucs@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: dates   European championship????
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:16:23 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada


  Can anyone tell me when is the exact date the Euro. championship is starting?
  And how long it will last? Thanks for reading!!!!
From: fajack@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: NFL, soccer, and lots o' muscle
Date: 13 Apr 92 14:26:26 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

In article <skenny.703112541@femto.engr.mun.ca>, skenny@nano.engr.mun.ca (Shawn Kenny) writes:
> major@shuksan.boeing.com (Mike Schmitt) writes:
> 
> 
>>  Well, while we're comparing apples and oranges, we might consider the
>>  following.  The world's game (soccer/football whatever) is a contact sport.
>>  Speed, agility, stamina, skill, teamwork.   American football is a collision
>>  sport.  Brute strength, muscle, bursts of energy and speed for a short
>>  period of time short length from a standing start.  Athletes must train
>>  differently to prepare for their sport.
> 
> Yeah I agree, I echo much of the author's text.
> 
> It is much like comparing the thoroughbred race horsing in
> North America and Europe and saying such and such a horse is the best.
> Even the derbys within Ireland itself have different course styles and
> lengths. 
> --

	I agree with what you two are saying.  I believe the arguments
started when someone insists on weight training American players so that
they can beat the rest of the people.  As pointed out by many people from
this net, this is not true.

Jack Teh

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