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From: kev@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Kevin Walsh)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Lame Texan Bait [Was Re: Another Texan dicksplash needs a friend.]
Date: 14 Dec 92 13:34:05 GMT
Organization: Cursor Software Limited, London, England

In article <Bz2HMF.FHC@cmptrc.lonestar.org> andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart) writes:
> In article <1089@dsbc.icl.co.uk> kev@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Kevin Walsh) writes:
> >In article <9HBFVB1w164w@eastern.COM> nikolov@eastern.COM (Slavtcho Nikolov) writes:
> >>
> >> Testing ...even though this group does not support testing...
> >> Flame me..if you wish
> >>
> >This newsgroup doesn't support Texans.
> 
> You really ARE the most clueless dweeb on the planet, aren't you shithead?
> A guy named "Slavtcho Nikolov" posts from CANADA and you post some typically
> stupid reply entitled "Another Texan Dicksplash...".  
>
His post was so booooring that I likened them to yours and took
him to be Taxan.  What makes you think he is NOT Taxan?  Do you
know him?  I wouldn't beleive it if he denied it himself.

> 
> Which other Texan would that be, you incredibly dense ball of painfully
> stupid shit?  Are you always going to remain completely and irredeemably
> moronic in EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR ENDLESS AND MIND-NUMBING POSTS?
>
Probably.

> 
> Are you under some kind of impression that it's "witty" to reply to every
> single post with some sort of "Off the Walsh" disjointed reply that would 
> make absolutely no sense at all, EVEN IF YOU WERE REMAINING IN CONTEXT??
> 
"Off the Walsh?"  Well, is that one of your Texan sayings.  You seem to
lay down so much flamebait, it would probably be fatal to your ego if
I didn't relpy and just ignored you.  I notice that you put "witty" in
quotes; what's the matter? are you not familiar with the term?

>
> You are totally hopeless.  There is not a single spark of intelligence
> flickering there between your narrow set beady little eyes.  Even when you
> get your stupid, pimply ASS kicked in EVERY SINGLE THREAD, YOU ARE TOO
> GOD-DAMNED STUPID TO KNOW IT!!!!!!
> 
Realy?  Which threads were they?  Are you refering to the spelling flames?
I get the impression that you don't tend to go in for threads.  You
just post a little flamebait here and there and call it a day.  You
probably won't even bother following up this post because you are
unable to think of anything original.

>
> In almost every post we are treated to another boring repetition of 
> 
> "Jumping Jesus on a Pogo-Stick", or "Jesus on a Jet-Ski", or "Jesus..."
> ad nauseaum.  When you aren't posting that, you post:
> 
> "Get a life"  "Fuck off and Die"  etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,
> etc, etc, etc!!!!!!!
>
Cow-branding Jesus on a Horse, where did you get that idea from?
Get a life will you.

> 
> [ incomprehensible wailing deleted ] 
>
Yeah, right.

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From: andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Kevin Walsh, the limey, biscuit eating dog tries to flame.
Keywords: worthless, tea-drinking, effeminate, brits.
Date: 12 Dec 92 09:18:53 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1122@dsbc.icl.co.uk> kev@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Kevin Walsh) writes:
>You seem to use the word IDIOT quite a lot.  I would have thought
>that a thesaurus would have been a good investment for use when
>you grow up.

So what?  I'm describing you and there's no other word that fits you quite 
so precisely as IDIOT.

>BTW: What do you want to be when you grow up?  Perhaps you should
>go for SHIFT work.

You know Kevie, your jokes are never as funny as you think they are.
Just boring and pathetic.  SHIFT work.  Oh right.   Ha. ha. ho. hum.
I'd hate to actually have to run into you at a party.  "Oh, excuse ME,
Kevin.  I need to go refill my glass of punch." I'll say, as I mutter 
under my breath "<what a boring ass>".

>So you make no comment in dispute of my allegation that your mother
>is a crack dealer.

Ok Kevin.  You've been using this "crack" dealing shit in all your posts
lately.  I'm sorry I didn't pay enough attention to it.  OK?  Don't pee
all over yourself because I don't bother to praise you enough for your 
"ingenuity" at using this "crack" crack over, and over, and over.
Your mother was a crack dealer too.  Only it wasn't the DRUG crack.  It
was her OWN wart infested malodorous crack that she peddled. Happy now? 

>My mother is a black hole... err.. my mo...  mmmm...  my...
>
>Oh I get it!  Ha what wit, you think up a response and try to
>guess my followup; is this a private game or can anyone
>join in?

Sure, go ahead Kevie.  It's not much of a game to guess what you'll 
post next, but knock yourself out.  Please.

>Let's see now...
>
>"If you get more lame you'll collapse into a black hole of lameness.
>Oh, by the way.  Your mother is a black hole - Boom boom!"
>
>Hey, that's great fun.  hey perhaps that's what you should do
>all the time; mail yourself a few flames and then reply to them.
>When you get those replies back you can followup again!
>You will be safe in the knowledge that you will always
>know what's coming next and will be able to compensate for
>the massive blow to you ego a comment like "your mother is
>a black hole" would do by preempting the comeback.

Flame away Kevie "Wailing" Walsh.  Not only are you boring, but
also too stupid and obstinate to admit when your ass is whipped.
You're quickly approaching killfile levels of repetitious stupidity.

What a pathetic loser you are.

-- Andy
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: JORN the Beatmaster
Date: 17 Dec 92 15:11:11 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
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In article <1992Dec17.005112.1@fnala.fnal.gov> dallagata@fnala.fnal.gov (Michele Dall'Agata) writes:

>You know, moron. Life has different moments. Sometime you need to be 
>serious, sometime you need to have fun. Both are good, if you get the goal. 
>And I did. 

Well, isn't that *sweet*.

>Trying to think, Patrick? Take care, you can fuse your "brain"...
>        Michele

No, Mich, that doesn't happen to everybody.  That little accident you had in 
school was uniquely your own.




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From: vsg001@acad.drake.edu
Subject: Re: Tangled mess, phantom hits the fan
Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 22:43:26 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.230526.5650@vlsi.polymtl.ca>, d40937@aiken (Jean Yves Desbiens) writes:

> So my posts are boring, they would be for
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Heck, at least you have come to grips with it.
 
> someone who has a degree in finger painting, what !!! no pictures.

I'm sorry, we don't have that class here. So much for French-Canadian
education.

> And what a come back "snore", must have taken you a whole night
> to think that one up. 

Actually I think I humiliated you for being French Canadian (given) along with
some references to your pathetic society, pathetic people, pathetic government,
and pathetic history. I think I also praised God for our bombing your embassy.

>In fact, you are the boring twit on this net,
> only a complete nitwit would be proud of not being able to read a
> whole post because their poor brain hurts and they are so sleepy.  

"Nitwit" oooooh. Ouch. Pierre, calm down there guy. I would hate to see an
angry French boy. What are you going to do... overthrow your government?

--The Phantom
From: cress@discovery.ksu.ksu.edu (Garrett C Cress)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Bye bye you asswipes
Date: 14 Dec 1992 21:54:12 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
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In article <1992Dec14.220123.7269@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:

{Lots of monotonous bullshit deleted}

>
>PS: Id like you all to know that i have had genital warts for whom i had
>warmer feelings than i have for you losers.
>

I *knew* it.  Robert finally tells the truth about what he does with
his over-fucked mom.  Genital warts, eh?
I guess she's been sleeping around a little more than you thought.
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: Sparky
Subject: Re: Thanks giving day
Summary: Re: Thanks giving day
Organization: None
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:06:21 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.104414.1@fnala.fnal.gov> dallagata@fnala.fnal.gov
(Michele Dall'Agata) writes:
>I spoke with americans and they told me that they teach this 
>bullshit on the school, that they counter this "theory" with Darwinism. 
>Maybe I am wrong, but that's what americans told me. Let me know, now.
>
>	Michele
>
Well, you're half right.  See, we take the little greaseball, wop kids
and train them to sweep and mop floors, like you do.  We also teach them
to lay tar, shingles, and your sister on the school.  The American kids
we teach IN the school.  Knothead.
--Sparky
From: mark@physchem.ox.ac.uk (Mark)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: The Mutha Fuckin Saga continues...
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:45:17 GMT
Organization: Oxford
Originator: mark@joule.pcl


  Get it right, its only the royals who have got horse teeth, and they aint
English.


MARK
-- 
Mark 
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.)
Subject: Re: a weekend without a bunny
Organization: T.S.A.K.C.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 22:51:08 GMT

dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton) writes:
->With mint sauce and a dash of garlic salt.
->Or don't you like your meat seasoned, James?

are you referring to bunny meat, dac?
From: dallagata@fnala.fnal.gov (Michele Dall'Agata)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Lazy Italians
Date: 15 Dec 92 15:01:27 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnala.fnal.gov

In article <1152@dsbc.icl.co.uk>, kev@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Kevin Walsh) writes:

> You are a lazy "man," Michelle; why not get back to work.  Just to put
> you right on a point... You already write things that few people can
> understand - and you DO seem to spend a lot of energy for nothing.
> 

Maybe I spend energy for nothing. But you spend energy to proove to the 
people that you are an idiot.

	Michele


[.sig deleted]
From: 01jwwitty@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: WITTY: The American Graley
Date: 17 Dec 92 12:05:35 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

In article <BzD75M.35G@cmptrc.lonestar.org>, andy@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Andy Hart) writes:
> Dim-Witty is the American version of J.ust S.tupid Graley.

Listen Handy (jerk off) Andy, You haven't been here the entire discusion
so just shut the fuck up, ok? You don't have any idea what is going on.
> 
> -- Andy
Dumb Texan.

JEFF WITTY
A.K.A. THE SOLDIER OF FORTUNE, US ARMY                      
Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Subject: PHANTOM - GET A FUCKIN' CLUE
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 19:52:12 GMT

The Phantom raves ...
>> Why do keep bringing up the gulf war?  It wasn't even a big deal.
>> We went in and did what we were supposed to do and now it's over.
>> I didn't sit there and drool over the news when they showed a missile
>> firing.
>
>Hey! I did! Every single time they fired a missile I counted Iraqi bodies. All
>So did Norway committ troops? No. 

You're a clueless homophobic maggot, you know that. Stop driveling
about things you know *nothing* about !!!

Norway supplied a field hospital unit complete with crew and
doctors, and together with the Danes we had two warships
patrolling the Gulf.

You fuckin' rave about how useful your troops were, but you
left a country in chaos and more people are dying now than
during the war.

<American nationalist crap deleted>

_________________________________________________________________________
| Jorn Halonen              | "dinga ding dang my danga long ling long" |
| jorngh@sofus.dhhalden.no  |                               - Ministry  |

Newsgroups: alt.flame
From: datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper)
Subject: Michele's homophobia (now why is he so interested in me?)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 02:32:41 GMT

Okay, everybody in alt.flame. Wanna bet that Michele's next post to me
will whine about how I can't take a joke, that I'm a stupid fucking
moron who can't read to a joke, that he's not a fucking homophobe, he
makes those joke to the gay friends all the time, and they-a laugh?

Now the big question: why does Michele hate the Catholic Church so much?

Answer: They're too liberal for him, saying that sexism is a sin and
that gays at least have the right to be left alone. (I know they also
say that gays shouldn't have sex, but at least they admit we exist.)
Just for the record, I'd also like to hear Signor dall'Agata's views
on Protestants, Jews, the handicapped, and any other minority group
he cares to mention. I think we'll be in for some doozies.

Note to Liz: see, I told you you'd agree with me. :-) Actually, in order
not to be called a racist, you sort of have to argue the general
viewpoint. Don't ask me why. Let's face it though, in a world where
politics is rampant, merit alone probably ain't the answer either. If
anyone has any solutions between these extremes, I'd love to hear them.

Tep--Mikey, your apology is NOT accepted!
-- 
Did you really think I spoke for anyone else? Boy, you're gullible!
From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Pope up a rope?
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:23:02 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
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In article <1992Dec13.143716.1@fnala.fnal.gov> dallagata@fnala.fnal.gov (Michele Dall'Agata) writes:
>In article <1992Dec13.135006.461@Princeton.EDU>, datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper) writes:

>>       which was a play on your use of "fucking power." Get it? I would
>> have thought my reference to whipped cream would tip you off, but I
>> guess not. Now that's what I really can't stand on alt.flame. Not lame
>> attempts at flamage, not repetitive posts, but people who have no
>> capacity to appreciate and cultivate a sense of humor. Now get with the
>> program, pisano!

>The only sense of humor that you have had, has been to born.

Oh, Tep, he really burned you there.  You better go hide!

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From: dallagata@fnala.fnal.gov (Michele Dall'Agata)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Who cares! (Was: Re: Who is *Kevin Walsh*)
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:04:13 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnala.fnal.gov

In article <+wW9s*HI0@prolix.apana.org.au>, dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton) writes:
> In article <1992Dec18.221317.1@fnala.fnal.gov>, Michele Dall'Agata writes:
> 
>> 	Dear Kevin Walsh, who are you? You know, the first time that I 
>> posted with you, I thought that you were just a british. "What's worse than 
> 
> [gargantuan paragraph, elided]
> 
> Michele, 
> 
[things deleted]
> 
> Clue: the residents of Britain are usually known as 'Britons', or
> collectively as the British. Many people also refer to them as
> 'englishmen'. NOBODY refers to individuals from Britain as 'a
> british'. 

Hey, moronic ignorant. My English-Italian dictonary (Collins) says the 
following:

British: britannico(a) (That in italian means *a* man(woman) from Great 
	 Britain); *the* British, I britannici (plural).
Briton:  britannico(a) (idem!)

Follows ==>  		*British = Breton*

So, it seems to me that if all the english competents are like you, it is 
better that I do it by myself. (As I will)

> 
> See what you can do with that. Preferably in a newsgroup that
> has a readership that has a leaning towards reading the
> disjointed vomitus from decorticated gollums such as yourself.

Bla, bla, bla. If you tried to hurt me with this bullshit, you can wait 
centuries before to see a small wound. I do not give a shit about the way 
that I *post* in english. I already told this to *your* british friend kevin,
and to everybody else. They *know* it. 

Clue :To try to flame me with the english errors it is only a waste of time, 
for you and for me to answer. And that's boring, too. My english is funny, 
I am Italian, and I write like an Italian that's learning this language. Use 
this flame with the americans, if you like that, but do not bore me, please. 

Clue #2: Nothing is worse than to be bored. And you did bore me. So you are 
boring. The british are boring ==> You are a british.

Flame: Vaffanculo! (without translation, it is *international* enough)
> 

	Michele

> Dac
> --


===========================================================================
I wish to everybody a real BAD Christmas. I hope that your fathers will die
doing the role of Santa Claus that come down from the chimney. I wish that
your planes blow out while you are going back home to meet your families.
Have a Christmas Drink and Drive accident, get as many DUI as you can.
And, Last but not Least, FUCK YOURSELF, again.
===========================================================================

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From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Subject: 1st Class or 3rd Class ???
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:10:52 GMT

The Phantom whines ...
>JORN! Your tremendous intellect JORN! Your an idiot JORN! I amend my original
>accousation: "Cretin 3rd class".

Are you stupid ? Are you Stupid ? Are you stupid ? Do you have
a clue of what you're writing ?

What'd you choose if you had to :

Cretin 1st class or Cretin 3rd class ?

I'd choose 3rd class, don't know about you but your IQ sucks rocks ...

_________________________________________________________________________
| Jorn Halonen              | "dinga ding dang my danga long ling long" |
| jorngh@sofus.dhhalden.no  |                               - Ministry  |
From: dallagata@fnala.fnal.gov (Michele Dall'Agata)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Perot In '96 (Was Re: Test the flame)
Date: 13 Dec 92 01:49:39 -0600
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: fnala.fnal.gov

In article <1gen6dINNa6g@cutlass.ksu.ksu.edu>, cress@cutlass.ksu.ksu.edu (Garrett C Cress) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Dec13.002617.1@fnala.fnal.gov>, dallagata@fnala.fnal.gov (Michele Dall'Agata) writes:
> 
>>>>
>>> Who gives a shit, he's a loser.
>>>                   ^^^^
>>> Garrett
>>
>>Maybe Perot is a looser. But you are a BIG moron. That was not the point, 
>>IMBECILE! Who gives a shit? Is it this your point about Perot or about the 
>>burning Los Angeles?!? Try to distinguish between the flaming-fun-bullshits 
>>and the serious thing, Idiot! 
>>
>>	Michele
> 
> See that word. I underlined it for you just in case.  'Who gives a shit'
> was my comment about Ross Perot.  Who cares where he was during the 
> riots.  He was probably down in a bomb shelter thinking his paranoid
> thoughts and hoping the world wouldn't come to an end.

Ok, well, fine. SO?!? What do *you* think about the riots? He's a looser, 
*who* will be your winner? BUSH?!?!?!? I hope not. You are american, right? 
So you DO give a shit about your country, I belive. I am not 
american, right. But I did start this flame. I was *upset* when I was in 
Italy and I saw what was happening here. It was something *strong* for me.
It seemed to me that something was going to happen here. And it did not. 
Not yet. But, are we sure that those people do not feel VERY bad in this 
country?!? I spoke with blacks, and they told me that they not feel to be 
americans. I heard the RAP songs. I saw the riots on television. Who is 
going to change that? Do the american people think about that? 
That's what I would like to know. America is rich. But, for much less we 
had the Red Brigates on Italy. What about the "Black Power"? Just curious.

	Michele
From: kev@dsbc.icl.co.uk (Kevin Walsh)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Some Norwegian tries to impress us with her multilingual posts.
Date: 16 Dec 92 11:08:24 GMT
Organization: Cursor Software Limited, London, England

In article <CINDY.92Dec14214428@solan10.solan.unit.no> cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf) writes:
> Kevin Walsh expectorates:
> >Does it matter what language it was.  If it's not English it's crap.
> 
> Really, i think that's all you needed to say.  I think that sums it
> all up.
> 
> Thank you for showing us the xenophobia is alive and well in the UK,
> too.
> 
Deal with it.

PS:  Who have you that Organization: line for Christmas?

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From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: in American defense...
Date: 17 Dec 92 21:25:23 GMT
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In article <1992Dec15.034202.13971@vlsi.polymtl.ca> d40937@aiken (Jean Yves Desbiens) writes:
>I like this one, Bravo, hope it starts a flaming hell. In all
>my travels in Europe, Africa and southeast asia I have seen
>countless times americans with patches, pins, T-shirts, with the 
>canadian flag on them. Being abroad and seing these big red maple 
>leafs I think , oh a fellow countrymen, but no it is a bounch of
>fraudulent americans who are surely ashame of something their country
>is doing. I wonder what... Can it be that the US puts it's nose in other
>people's business and then claim it is for *their* own good.
>When I ask the american frauds there reason for doing this, they say 
>people are aggressive towards them when they think they are americans.
>Again we wonder why. The thing that gets me mad is that after ruining
>the reputation of their country abroad, they are trying to ruin ours;
>american tourists are reputed to be the most obnoxious in the world, 
>they think they have a copyright on the best way to live and they 
>export this stereotype everywhere they go like a plague.

I'm tired of butt-winks that are so insecure in their own country they have 
to continually put someone else's down.  What's the big problem with getting 
some food through to people who are dying of starvation?

What the F*CKING hell are *you* doing about it?

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