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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:38:43 EST
From:         JERRY PALMER <PSG90CO@GITVM1.BITNET>

TO ANYONE INTERESTED,

   THIS WINTER QUARTER AN UNDERGRADUATE COURSE IN SPORT PSYCHOLOGY
   WILL BE OFFERED AT GEORGIA TECH.  THE TITLE IS 'PSYCHOLOGY AND
   CONTEMPORARY ISSUES IN SOCIETY: SPORT PSYCHOLOGY', AND THE TEACHER
   IS DR. TERRY MAPLE.  SEVERAL GUEST SPEAKERS WILL ALSO LECTURE.
   THE CLASS WILL MEET FROM 9:30 TO 11:00 ON TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS.

     JERRY PALMER
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Hello I don't know what you people are talking about, but I am
very interested in Dan Marino. He is by far the most considerate
man on and off the field.




>From:  IN%"SPORTPSY@TEMPLEVM.BITNET"  "Exercise and Sports Psychology" 29-SEP-1
   992 13:45:10.13
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>If Dan Marino and Keith develop the type of friendship that exists between
>Keith and Randall then I'm sure he will express that.  As far as Dan using
>those exact words 'My Boy' to show how close they are would depend on
>Dan's familiarity with that 'slang' phrase.
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From:         MCCULLAGH_P@CUBLDR.COLORADO.EDU

Please let us know what program you are in that is being eliminated.
P McCullagh U of Colorado
Our masters program is housed in a Dept. of Kinesiology with an emphasis
in sport psychology.  I am sure Michael Sachs will provide you with lots
of additional info.  As a field I think it is important to assist each
other if we can when program are in trouble.  Penny
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Date: 6 Nov 92 15:30:43 GMT
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              5 Nov 1992 09:14:32 PST from <doylemw@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU>

Lest another Mid America Conference school be overlooked in the search for spor
t psychology programs, Miami of Ohio now has 5 sport psychologists, including B
ob Weinberg, the new department chairperson.  Check them out!!
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Subject:      Re: Allen Glenn

Allen,
        I'm interested in the same fieldas you.  As of right now I'm
working on my degree in Sports Medicine. I'd also like to know alot about
the making of fitness machines that apply to certian muscles in the body.
As of this year I'm enrolled in three physiology of exercise courses which
deal with this type of infomation. I'll get back to you if I pick up any
new information I learn about and I hope you will do the same for me.
                                         sincerely,
                                                Jeff Moulton
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reply
Please cancel my enrollment with the sport psych network.
Thank you.
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Date:         Wed, 4 Nov 1992 19:29:00 EST
From:         Dave Williams <WILL6360@SNYPLAVA.BITNET>

>From:  IN%"SPORTPSY@TEMPLEVM.BITNET"  "Exercise and Sports Psychology"  4-NOV-1
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>Please let us know what program you are in that is being eliminated.
>P McCullagh U of Colorado
>Our masters program is housed in a Dept. of Kinesiology with an emphasis
>in sport psychology.  I am sure Michael Sachs will provide you with lots
>of additional info.  As a field I think it is important to assist each
>other if we can when program are in trouble.  Penny

signoff
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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 08:26:54 EST
From:         Mike Peterson <UK05919@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: INTERNATIONAL HELLO

Please cancel my enrollment with sport psych.  Thank you.
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:02:03 -0500
From:         CFWOL@CONNCOLL.BITNET

Dear List members,

Greetings from Connecticut College in New London, CT USA.  I have been an
interested observer of this list ever since I joined a few years ago.

Just recently I have resumed a regimen of running some of the list discussions
on Positive Self Talk came to mind.

Could someone direct me to literature or tapes which provide a quick way to
educate people about PST?  Not only am I interested in PST for my own use
(to keep on running) but would like to educate my women's rowing teams about
this aspect of mental training.

In order to save list bandwidth, feel free to reply to me directly.

Best regards


Claus Wolter
Head Coach of Rowing, Connecticut College
cfwol@mvax.cc.conncoll.edu
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:27:00 EDT
From:         Michael Sachs <V5289E@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: sports psy major

On Fri, 6 Nov 1992 11:30:43 EDT Stephen J. Langendorfer said:
>Lest another Mid America Conference school be overlooked in the search for spor
>t psychology programs, Miami of Ohio now has 5 sport psychologists, including B
>ob Weinberg, the new department chairperson.  Check them out!!


     Yes, an excellent program, but unfortunately only offering a master's.
Who is the fifth besides Thelma Horn, Jay Kimiecik, Robin Vealey, and Bob
Weinberg?

     Thanks, Michael Sachs
From: V5289E@TEMPLEVM.BITNET (Michael Sachs)
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Date: 6 Nov 92 20:32:33 GMT
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     The following position announcement appeared in the October, 1992
issue of the APA Monitor (page 64).  These positions are excellent ones
for graduate students at the doctoral level who can take the time to wor
at the USOC in this capacity.  Positions are quite competitive, but
certainly worth applying for if you're interested.

     Thanks for your consideration.  Sincerely, Michael Sachs

************************************************************************

        CLINICAL RESEARCH ASSISTANTSHIPS IN SPORT PSYCHOLOGY

     The Mental Training and Counseling Department of the United States
Olympic Committee has two positions available for 9/93-9/94.  Duties
include:  Direct educational programs with athletes and coaches;
including lectures, small groups and individual sessions.  Involvement
in ongoing research and writing projects. Supervised counseling contacts
with athletes.   Qualifications include:  MA in Clinical, Counseling,
or Sport Psychology.  Experience working with athletes.  Research
experience in the area of sport and performance.  General knowledge
of sport science.  Strong speaking and writing skills.  Contact:

     Sean McCann, Ph.D.
     Mental Training and Counseling Program,
     US Olympic Training Center,
     1750 East Boulder Street,
     Colorado Springs, CO 80909
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:45:00 EST
From:         "Rick.Albrecht" <15718RRA@MSU.BITNET>

Jackie:

One suggestion for today's interview.  I (and several others on this list)
have learned the hard way that we can get into trouble trying to talk about
something we know very little about. Limit your comments to the areas in which
you feel competent.  If they need information that you think is beyond your
expertise, refer them to others. Just tell them what you're doing and why
you're doing it.  If you tell them more than you know, you run the risk of
giving incomplete or inaccurate information.  Sport psychology already spends
an inordinant amount of time trying to explain or counter misinformation about
the profession.  Good luck (let us know how it went).

                                              -- Rick
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Date:         Sun, 8 Nov 1992 22:30:00 CDT
From:         STRICKLA@UTSW.BITNET
Subject:      Re: INTERNATIONAL HELLO

Clark,

I would like to receive your bulletin. More than happy to send you
reimbursement for postage.

Bob Strickland
355 W. Fain Street
Duncanville, Texas  75116-3305 USA
Phone/Fax: 214-283-6877
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Date: 5 Nov 92 19:44:00 GMT
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Hola, estoy interesado en tener correspondencia acerca de estudios hechos en psi
Atentemente Saul Ramirez      a14460@iteso.bitnet
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Date: 12 Nov 92 16:31:32 GMT
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This is also an interest of mine.  Please forward your list when everyone
responds.  Thanks!  Lois Meyer, Arizona State University
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              26 Oct 1992 12:50:29 +1100

Dear Clark,
I would be very much interested in receiving a copy of your newsletter and
being put on your mailing list. My name is David Yukelson and my address is
328 Boucke Building, Penn State University, University Park, PA  16802
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Director of Continuing Education, CUPA
Phone: 588-6137
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Date:         Fri, 6 Nov 1992 15:49:10 EDT
From:         Michael Sachs <V5289E@TEMPLEVM.BITNET>
              3 Nov 1992 23:33:00 EST from <STONES%MUNIN@NORWICH>

On Tue, 3 Nov 1992 23:33:00 EST <STONES%MUNIN@NORWICH> said:
>     1. Are there any undergraduate psychology programs which have
>        a concentration in sports psychology?  If so, where and how
>        might I get in touch with them ASAP?
>

      Excellent question.  We don't have specific data on this.  The most
likely place to start would be those schools with master's and doctoral
programs in the area.  The best list for that would be the Directory
of Graduate Programs in Applied Sport Psychology.  If you need the
ordering information for that let me know (am e-mail message on that
was sent a few weeks ago).

>     2. Which are the three best (e.g., respected, leaders in the
>        field) masters programs in sports psychology?
>

     Answering this question would get me (and others) in trouble, because
such a rating would be inherently subjective.  Check with me off-line or
provide more criteria (i.e., numbers of faculty) and then I could suggest
some programs or provide more information.

>     3. Into which department do most graduate programs in sports
>        psychology reside--psychology or physical education?
>

     Most programs are in physical eduaction/kinesiology/exercise and sport
sciences departments (ratio is probably approximately 80%PE/20%PSYCH).


>       Any assistance with these questions would be greatly appreciated.
>Due to the restructuring of our curriculum, our physical education
>department has been eliminated.  The psychology department has been
>asked by students and by a task force to look at an undergraduate
>concentration in sports psychology.
>
>       In addition, our P.E. graduate program which emphasized (1)
>administration of p.e. and athletics and (2) athletic training is
>being eliminated.  There is concern that our athletic program will
>suffer from the lack of grad assistance in coaching.  Thus, we have
>been asked to consider a masters program in sports psychology which
>would be housed in the psychology department and have that emphasis.
>
>       Help!   Help!    Help!

    Very sorry to hear that physical education is being eliminated.  A
high quality program can be offered through psychology, but do you have
professors there with the expertise to run such a program?  It would, to
be honest, and IMHO, be nice to see additional master's programs in psychology
departments (although, of course, not at the expense of PE depts.).  This
would be encouraged.  Contact me off-line if you wish some additional
thoughts or call if you wish.

    Thanks for your interest and good luck.

     Sincerely, Michael Sachs, Past-President, AAASP
                V5289E@TEMPLEVM         (215) 787-8718
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Subject: Re: Positive Self Talk materials
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:07:55 GMT
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Please post any references to the list. I (among others?) would also
like access to additional materials.  Thanks.

Harper Grimm
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On Thu, 12 Nov 92 12:35:09 EST Nick Gimbrone said:
>On Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:25:51 EST you said:
>>/* Q-SPOOL Rexx -- VM/XA version from BITNET */
>>/* Show page and spool slot utilization */
>Looks like something that Ben Schwarz or Gary Buhrmaster wrote here
>at Cornell. I know we have one we wrote here that is identical... :-)

I found where *I* got it:  in an e-mail to the VMSYS Systems Programmers
discussion list...
From:         Steve Roberts <SBR@CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU>

The item doesn't say he wrote it but somebody else privately told me
that he did.

Dear Abby,
    Do any of your readers know who....

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On Thu, 12 Nov 1992 09:21:17 -0600 Jim Garrison said:
>From: Jim Garrison
>Does anyone have or know of a user mod to VM/XA which will show spooling
>utilization; slots available, slots used, percentage. We have such a mod on
>our HPO system which displays this info as part of the QUERY PAGE command.
>Since this command doesn't exist in the XA world, obviously we can't use our
>HPO code to do this.

Would you settle for a simple Rexx which will requires no CP mod -- just
a Class=E or C CMS account?   Since it's only 16 lines long, I'm
enclosing it.  A thousand apologies to the original author of this
Rexx -- I just don't remember who originated it.  Whoever it was
they provided a wonderful service.  Here 'tis:
/*--- cut here -- Q-SPOOL EXEC begins ------------------------------*/
/* Q-SPOOL Rexx -- VM/XA version from BITNET */
/* Show page and spool slot utilization */
numeric digits 10
pgdpg = x2d(substr(diag(8,'LOCATE HCPPGDPG'),12,8))
pgdsp = x2d(substr(diag(8,'LOCATE HCPPGDSP'),12,8))
av = x2d(2C)              /* from HCPSALBK */
iu = x2d(30)              /* from HCPSALBK */
pgav = x2d(substr(diag(8,'DISPLAY H'd2x(pgdpg+av)),12,8))
pgiu = x2d(substr(diag(8,'DISPLAY H'd2x(pgdpg+iu)),12,8))
spav = x2d(substr(diag(8,'DISPLAY H'd2x(pgdsp+av)),12,8))
spiu = x2d(substr(diag(8,'DISPLAY H'd2x(pgdsp+iu)),12,8))
pgpc = format(pgiu*100/pgav,3,2)
sppc = format(spiu*100/spav,3,2)
say 'Page  Slots:' right(pgav,8) 'avail,' right(pgiu,8) 'in use,' pgpc'% used.'
say 'Spool Slots:' right(spav,8) 'avail,' right(spiu,8) 'in use,' sppc'% used.'
exit
/*--- cut here -- Q-SPOOL EXEC   ends ------------------------------*/
BTW: This works on my system which is:
VM/XA SP Release 2.1, service level 0205
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I thought I read that the Tall Guys won the virtual election, how is it that
Jimbo keeps calling himself "list president?" Did I miss something? VMS
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From:         fred <CCHILDER@UNMCVM.BITNET>
Subject:      sarcasm

I think that sarcasm is becoming a lost art form, an endangered species
if you will. Perhaps Leise, the list anthro person could provide some
examples of cultures where sarcasm or verbal sparring are considered
desireable skills. I seem to remember a lesson from grammar school
about an eskimo tribe where persons settled conflicts via their
verbal skills. Although it must be said that it would be unfair to
have a battle of whits with an unarmed person.

fred

My dictionary only has 2 syllables for sar-casm. Perhaps it is out
of date.
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Date:         Tue, 10 Nov 1992 11:50:50 -0800
From:         Andy Freeman <andy@SAIL.STANFORD.EDU>
Subject: RE: abortion (was Calooh! Callay!)

>Even the United States Navy reports that in their Subic Bay Naval Hospital
>(figures are for 1989 - 1991) there has been a SIGNIFICANT increase in
>complications resulting from abortions obtained off-base after the order
>outlawing abortions for members/dependents became effective.

That's not particularly interesting as Subic Bay is in the Philipines
and it isn't reasonable to assume that its off-base medical facilities
are necessarily like those available "under the counter"* in the US.
(BTW - The order didn't "outlaw" anything.  It said that the US govt
wouldn't pay for them.  It wasn't an order either - it was a law
passed by Congress.)

>We know that women who receive illegal (therefore covert/back
>alley/whatever) abortions run a great risk of complication and death.

And, we also know what that risk was.  It wasn't all that large.  If
you can't make your argument without lying about it ....

BTW - "post abortion" syndrome has nothing to do with complications of
abortions.  It is supposedly a psychological condition.  If it doesn't
actually happen, that says nothing about the death and injury from
"under the counter" abortions.

-andy dreads going to a NARAL/PP fundraiser tonight because he knows
      that he's going to hear tons of bogus arguments....

* - "Under the counter" is a more honest term than "back-door" because
    its connotations more accurately reflect how abortion was performed
    in those places in the US where it was banned.
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