From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:38:07 GMT

margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:

>In <C05Bpu.GLE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
>>margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
>>
>>>In <C04w4u.CBs@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
>>>>That's not a fetus.
>>
>>>Right - in most abortions, it's an embryo, not yet a fetus.
>>
>>Document this.

>I just did - see my discussion with Steve Matheson.

I'd prefer not too.  Reading all this pro-aborter propaganda is taking too
much of my time as it is.  Simply give me one credible source showing
that most abortions performed are done before the 8th week.  I should
probably qualify that as most doctor induced abortions.

>>>>Don't put words into my mouth.  Having sex and getting pregnant are not crimes.
>>>>They are, however, actions that an adult must deal with like an adult.
>>
>>>Abortion is one way of dealing with an unwanted pregnancy.
>>
>>Abortion is a way of avoiding being a mature adult

>In your opinion, of course.  Ignoring an unwanted pregnancy until a baby
>pops out is a way of avoiding being a mature adult; dealing responsibly
>with the situation (whether that means aborting, or making plans for a
>baby) is being a mature adult.  (In my opinion.)

You have reformed me!  But now I have to go a little further.  Not only
is being an adult making plans for a wanted baby, or aborting an unwanted
one, but it is now the recognition that at some point I may become an
unfit parent, or that my child my become a hopeless future degenerate.
In this case, it would be more responsible for me to kill that child
rather than let it grow up and be a useless or dangerous citizen.  
After all, if I fail in my parental duties, my child may become a 
murderer, or a welfare bum sucking off society.

>>>>Don't call it a fetus because I doubt you know what a fetus really is.
>>
>>>Well, *I* think I do; what do *you* think a fetus is?
>>
>>A fetus is the prenatal stage of a species in which the unborn offspring
>>begins to take on the basic physical characteristics of its post birth
>>form.  In humans this occurs approximately 8 weeks after fertilization.
>>
>>Would you like anything more specific?

>Yes - why shouldn't we call a fetus a fetus?

A child is still a person.  A teenager is still a person.  An adult is
still a person.  A fetus is still a person.  Why not call a person a person?
These are all simply labels on the life cycle of a human being.

>>I now know you don't know anything about prenatal development.

>You conclude this because I prefer to use the more accurate terms?

I conclude this because you refused to demonstrate your knowledge in
this regard.  I could more accurately refer to my sister as a 21 year old
white female, 5' 9" tall, 140 pounds, with 22% body fat, who happens to 
be legally defined as related to me under the definition of "sister".
I'd prefer to call her my sister.

>--
>Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)


Edward Simmonds

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