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From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: Why no cartoons before movies???
Date: 23 Nov 92 00:19:59 GMT
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <3671.1008.uupcb@satalink.com>, ray.rooney@satalink.com (Ray Rooney)
 writes:
>TO: kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu
>
>RTK>Hi.  Why is it that in the 50s and 60s they used to show cartoons before
>RTK>the movie started in movie theatres, and now we listen to elevator music
>RTK>and watch colored lights?
>
>Because cartoons (and other shorts) cost money to rent and the
>exhibitors did not think it made people come to their theatres. They
>are a cheap and greedy bunch and cut corners and cost every chance they
>get. Since cartoons got increasingly poorer during the 50s & 60s fewer
>and fewer people actually cared.
>
>Also, by showing fewer things along with the feature, they were able to
>pack in an extra show or two per day.
>
>Some theatres, mostly those showing old movies, do run shorts, usually
>from some collection. There is no longer a dependable source for shorts
>so first-run chains couldn't get them even if they did want to run them.
>
> * SLMR 2.1a * Portions of this message have been pre-recorded.
>                           
In the interest of being thorough, the studios had animation, documentary,
and newsreel units because they could force the theaters to take all
their output--and thus charge rentals and make money.  After the 1948
consent decree that broke up the industry, the studios had less power
and these ancillary units began to fade away.

There is a plentitude of excellent shorts available.  Animation Festivals
such as the recently held International Animation Festival in Ottawa, Canada,
show that animation is a vigorous and living artform.  True, a number of 
short film distribution film companies have bit the dust, but not for 
lack of product.  See the various celebrations and tournees released
each year.

Erik Timmerman
Film/Video Department
RIT
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From: swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim)
Subject: Spleen of Gold (Was Re: BTAS: 11/19 Joker episode)
Keywords: BTAS
Organization: Rice University
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:53:26 GMT

In article <1992Nov20.044619.13502@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes:
>Tomorrow: What, HARDAC back again so soon?

  Heart of Steel, Soul of Silicon. I like it. 
  I wasn't really excited by the episode itself. Just once I'd like to see
the-robot-that-overcomes-it's-programming-and saves-the-day actually survive.
I'd also like to know how batrobot beat the batmobile to the warehouse.

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From: mwdenney@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Michael W. Denney)
Subject: Re: The DUMBEST saturday cartoon ever
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:38:03 GMT

Ok, so far the nominees are:
   Rubik, The Amazing Cube
   Punky Brewster
   The Harlem Globetrotters (actually The Super-Globetrotters by the
                               description)
   My Little Pony
   Care Bears
   Where's Waldo?  (yuck!)
   Riders in the Sky
   Pandamonium
   The Funky Phantom 
   Hong Kong Phooey
   Jabberjaw
   Captain Caveman

C'mon surely we can add to this?

   How about: Hulk Hogan's Rock 'n' Wrestling
          or: I am the Greatest: The Adventures of Muhammad Ali
          or: The Karate Kid
          or: Lazer Tag Academy
          or: Mr. T
          or: The Dukes
          or...

I don't know what basis we are using to judge 'DUMB' but the type of cartoon
*I* hate has the following formula:
       1. pick any cute creature
       2. make an enormous number of them
       3. give each a distinct trait but keep them relatively the same
       4. insert standard bad guy
       5. mix and serve
This mold is good for: Smurfs, Snorks, Monchichis, Pound Puppies, Care Bears,
  Trolkins, whatever those things on the Smoggies are called, Popples, etc. 

My own personal vote for dumbest cartoon, however, is any of the 'a video game
would make a great cartoon' tries: Donkey Kong, Q-bert, Frogger, Pac-man, 
Pitfall, Donkey Kong Jr., Space Ace, Kangaroo.....

Incidently I *liked* Hong Kong Phooey.  And Jaberjaw and Captain Caveman?
Well the star characters weren't bad, but I like comparing all the similar
style cartoons ie:

   Take Scooby-Doo replace the dog with a car and you have SpeedBuggy, replace
   the car with a shark and you have Jaberjaw, replace the shark with a
   caveman and you have Captain Caveman, take out the caveman put back the
   dog but give him a hat and make him blue and you have Goober and the Ghost
   Chasers, lose the dog and add a werewolf and you have Fangface, change
   the werewolf to a ghost and you have the Funky Phantom, make the whole
   gang musicians and you have Josie and the Pussycats, add a genie...well
   you get the idea. :)

Oddly enough I kinda of like this use of a mold.  I guess lower cute quotient
helps.

Michael
 a.k.a. The Phantom Scribbler

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Subject: Re: Christmas with the Joker
From: ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu
Date: 18 Nov 92 20:17:55 EDT
Organization: Watch Ren And Stimpy or Else!

In article <rdippold.721809029@qualcom>, rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold) writes:
> opcarr@netcom.com (Onny Carr) writes:
>>It seems to me, all the episodes featuring the Joker sucks big time.
>>The storylines are weak, and the animation (those AKOM f*cks!)
>>is dingo piddle.
> 
> After I watched this I was thinking, well, they can't all be winners.
> The plot here was just bad, and the bit with the boiling vat was
> really moronic (and impossible).  I haven't thought "that's really
> dumb" for a while now, but this one did it.
> 
> 
>>It's a waste of Mark Hamill's voice characterization, IMO.
> 
> The Joker saved it for me... 

I loved the episode!!  It was my fav because the Joker was funny as heck, and
it was just plain fun and exciting to watch!!

"Joy To The Stimpy!"

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From: jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: BTAS 11/16: Heart of Steel
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:50:08 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Did anyone notice as much as I did how Barbara Gordon's character
is slowly being developed.  I have a theory.POSSIBLE SPOLIER


























I hope this is far down enough.

I have bought the BTAS playing cards and Batgirl is number three.
(Excellent cards BTW) As an old Batgirl fan, I can't wait until
she makes her debut.  I was just wondering what was taking her so 
long.  Anyway, I'm glad she finally showed up and is having her 
character developed as much as she is.  I hope they develop her
a bit more before she goes into costume.


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From: carlinra@macpost.vanderbilt.edu (Robert A. Carlin)
Subject: Obscure Sat. Cartoons (Was: Re: Scooby Doo etc.)
Followup-To: rec.arts.animation
Organization: Smart Structures Lab, Vanderbilt Univ.
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:50:35 GMT

In article <By3MnA.FLD@news.udel.edu>, avril@chopin.udel.edu (April Christi
Clark) wrote:
> 
> Finally, I think I win the prize for remembering the most obscure and dumb
> Sat morning cartoon: Rubik, The Amazing Cube, circa 1984. :)
> -April Clark, U. of Delaware

What about Pandamonium?  It was on, I think, in the very late 70's/early 
80's.  (I keep seeing ads for it in the old comic issues I pick up in the 
quarter bins.)  The only thing I remember about it is that it had 3 pandas,
which were able to transport to other worlds (?)...

Okay, so my memory's not so good anymore.  :)

Rob

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From: pmm34393@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dr. Vincent Vaugn )
Subject: Re: Gi Joe/Transformers Crossover, guest appearance
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:19:23 GMT

In article <kennehra.722379553@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan) writes:
>
>
>Hi.  Does anyone remember the name of the episode where Cobra commander
>made a special guest appearance on "The Transformers?"  Also, where can
>I get this episode.  I LOVE crossover shows.
>
>- Rich
>  kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu
I believe the name of the episode was "Only Human". I don't know where you
could get a copy of it--someone once suggested I get the "Whole Toon
Catalog", which you can order free at (206)391-8747. I thought this was
a really good episode, but I haven't gotten the catalog so I don't know if
they have it or not.

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From: dube@carson.u.washington.edu (Ric Dube)
Subject: Re: Rocky & Bullwinkle Questions
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:15:41 GMT

JACK.WEBB@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Jack Webb (NetVS)") writes:

>Concerning R&B's names:

>  Rocket J. (Rocky) Squirrel
>  Bullwinkle Moose

>What does Rocky's middle initial stand for? (I think "Jet" but I'm not sure)

>Does Bullwinkle have a middle initial, and if yes what does it stand for?

Both Rocky and Bullwinkle's middle initial is J.  The J stands for
nothing. 
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From: igor@access.digex.com (Dan White)
Subject: Re: Thurl Ravenscroft (was: Re: X-Mas TV )
Organization: Society for the Prevention of Paronomastic Defenestration
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:49:47 GMT

In article <BxtDp3.K7@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> mwdenney@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Michael W. Denney) writes:
>lgb2@po.CWRU.Edu (Linda G. Brashear) writes:
>>
>>
>>Incidentally, Thurl Ravenscroft also did a voice in "101 Dalmations"
>>but I haven't quite pegged which one yet.  Another movie I'll have to
>>watch again (ow, ow, twist my arm).
>
>Ravenscroft was the voice of the Captain.
>

Captain !??!!??  Captain who (or what, as most of the characters are
animals)
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From: bkeener@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian E. Keener)
Subject: Aeon Flux 11/17: New character?
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:53:09 GMT

LTV on 11/17 kind of bit until Aeon Flux... I thought it was the best
	episode they've had all season.
Now that it's pretty much certain that each scenario is entirely independent
	of the others, but with the same characters, I hope they bring back
	the second girl in future episodes... perhaps even make her the
	heroine.  She is infinitely less clumsy.

							-MetalMaster

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From: jpenney@delta.mathlab.sunysb.edu (Janet Penney)
Subject: Re: In BMTAS
Organization: SUNY at Stony Brook, Dept. of Math
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:02:08 GMT

In article <empire.67.721789662@dorm.rutgers.edu> empire@dorm.rutgers.edu (Michael Kraft) writes:
>I know Mark Hamill is the Joker, but what else did Mark Hamill do. His name 
>sounds very familiar but I can't place the face.
>
>
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Why, Luke Skywalker, in Star Wars, O'course!!

By the way, is it true about the accident he had between the 3 films?

(and just to make it relevant to the group, does anyone remember the star wars
series of cartoons, the ewoks and c-3po/r2d2 ?)

Janet (Jpenney@ccmail.sunysb.edu)
From: kimy@goober.cs.umd.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: BTAS  11/16: Heart of Steel
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:09:28 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742
Originator: kimy@goober.cs.umd.edu

In article <1992Nov18.181612.26389@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes:
><BZZT!>  You're thinking of Soeshinsha, who (among many other things)
>used to be the producers of the CREAM LEMON series of adult anime videos.
>
>Sunrise is the animation company that created such fan-favorites as
>DIRTY PAIR, CITY HUNTER, and the various GUNDAM series.  Their animation
>quality is not the greatest, but they do have flashes of talent.


I was supplied the information on Sunrise by two anime fans, one of them
conversant in Japanese and with a good knowledge of Kanji.  I am curious if
Soeshinsha and Sunrise are two different companies, or if it's one
company with a Japanese name and an American name (I've encountered
this phenomenon in some Japanese companies, in which at some point the company
gives itself a new, "more international" name, and is referred to by
this new name outside of Japan, but inside Japan continues to be referred
to by the old name).

As for why the animation being supplied by the Korean companies may
appear to be of poorer quality than the Japanese companies - I was
having a discussion about this with an anime fan.  Until the early
80's, Korean studios had unrestricted access to Japanese anime, and
did some work for them, as well as turning out pirated Koreanized
versions of Japanese anime.  So the Korean animation studios managed
to keep up with the Japanese animation studios in terms of technique.  
Then the Korean government decided to "purify" the airwaves of these
Japanese influences, the result being the Korean animation studios lost
contact with what was happening in Japan.  Recently restrictions have
been loosened, but the damage has already been done.  During that period
of isolation the Korean animation studios fell way behind and they're
still trying to catch up.

(Something similar happened to the computer industry in Brazil,
but that's a different newsgroup)


yong-mi
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From: walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re:  .. Chicken-Hawk (Bugs Bunny ???)
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:36:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: cgsvax.1992Nov15.143638.1
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School

In article <1992Nov15.211231.9352@bcrka451.bnr.ca>, isupstud@bnr.ca (Todd Strilchuk) writes:
> 
> Quick question: Does any one know the name of the chicken hawk that is
> constantly trying to capture Foghorn Leghorn?
> 
> 
> "I'm a chicken hawk...  and you're a chicken!"
> 
> Todd Strilchuk


Henery Hawk, I believe.

Joe Walker
walkerjo@cgsvax.claremont.edu
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From: andyi@world.std.com (Andy G Ihnatko)
Subject: Re: Why no cartoons before movies???
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:01:51 GMT

kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan) writes:



>Hi.  Why is it that in the 50s and 60s they used to show cartoons before
>the movie started in movie theatres, and now we listen to elevator music
>and watch colored lights?



1)  Because if they make each showing longer (even by only ten minutes) then
    they probably won't be able to schedule as many daily showings as they
    would like to.  This in itself is why movies that run longer than 150
    minutes are extremely rare.

2)  Because shorts themselves cost money, and theaters are (alledgedly)
    being run on short margins these days.

3)  Because theater operators are cheap lousy stinking no-good rat-fink
    bastards.



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From: simon@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (Mike Simon)
Subject: Re: TBLT, and Twice Upon a Time..
Organization: United Technologies Research Center
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:07:56 GMT



Let's hear it for Rod Rescue Man...Ralph the all purpose animal...
Mumford...Sanonamous Batch...Rudy...and all the rest!!!  What a classic!!!
From: odlin@reed.edu (Iain Odlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.animation
Subject: Re: TBLT, and Twice Upon a Time..
Date: 22 Nov 92 17:33:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Nov22.173355.7185
Organization: The Stuffed Animal Trauma Team  (We're Trained Professionals)

In article <1992Nov20.190756.11899@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com> simon@sun1x.actc.res.utc.com (Mike Simon) writes:
>Let's hear it for Rod Rescue Man...Ralph the all purpose animal...
>Mumford...Sanonamous Batch...Rudy...and all the rest!!!  What a classic!!!

  "Synonymous Botch."  And yes, it's a great movie!  My favourite character(s):
  The Fig-men of imagination.  My favourite point about the movie: The great
  use of a cloud-chamber.

  Thanks for bringing Twice Upon A Time up!  I haven't thought about that movie
  in a long time!

  -Iain Odlin, pushing "The Big Red One"
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei)
Subject: Re: BTAS  11/16: Heart of Steel
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:07:16 GMT

In article <Af28RqG00awAQ4o1MV@andrew.cmu.edu>, "Kevin J. Chen" <kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Looks like the record for episodes of BTAS with "Heart of..." in the
> title is pretty good... :)

It was okay.  Some very nice airbrush work here and there.  Some not-so-nice
writing, but not horrid either.

I got a laugh out of Brenda's (sp?) car license plate: "RUR".  Extra points
to whoever can post the source for THAT in-joke... :-)
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From: vgriscep@wam.umd.edu (VGR (Craig Pell))
Subject: Re: Rocky & Bullwinkle Questions
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 04:55:50 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.201541.14499@u.washington.edu> dube@carson.u.washington.edu (Ric Dube) writes:
>
>>  Rocket J. (Rocky) Squirrel
>>  Bullwinkle Moose
>
>>What does Rocky's middle initial stand for? (I think "Jet" but I'm not sure)
>
>>Does Bullwinkle have a middle initial, and if yes what does it stand for?
>
>Both Rocky and Bullwinkle's middle initial is J.  The J stands for
>nothing. 

I was under the impression that the "J" stood for Jay Ward.

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From: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Why no cartoons before movies???
Reply-To: entpph@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:44:15 GMT

In article <By6tEq.IHE@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, mwdenney@undergrad.math
.waterloo.edu (Michael W. Denney) writes:
>
>This is the one I was waiting to hear!  In 1949 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled
>against the practice of 'block bookings'.  Block bookings involved studios
>only offering a theatre hit movies if they also agreed to pay for newsreels,
>cartoons, etc.  Once this ruling passed, theatre owner refused to pay extra
>for cartoons.  *This* was the beginning of the end.
>
>Michael
> a.k.a. The Phantom Scribbler
>
>- I *beg* your pardon sir!  Please wait your turn!

Except that it didn't stop.  When the original Star Wars was released in
my town at the most prestigious Loew's, another Loew's across town ran
a Sidney Sheldon turkey called _The Other Side of Midnight_.  Turned
out you couldn't rent SW without also paying for OSM.  And OSM sat in
that theater for as long as SW ran, playing to audiences of 2 or 3.

There is another practice called blind booking in which the theaters
are forced to agree in advance to play a given picture before they know much
more than the title and the stars.  I once saw a theater owners'
commercial before the feature protesting this practice as "UnAmerican."
Unfair, probably; but American as apple pie. It was also delightful to 
watch/listen to them complain about what was being done to poor them 
when they do almost exactly the same to us.

Erik Timmerman
Film/Video Department
RIT

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From: kennehra@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich"TheMan"Kennehan)
Subject: Why no cartoons before movies???
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 20:50:24 GMT



Hi.  Why is it that in the 50s and 60s they used to show cartoons before
the movie started in movie theatres, and now we listen to elevator music
and watch colored lights?

- Rich
  kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu