HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Subject: Re: What happened to news.software.transport?
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central
	<1992Apr9.133415.16521@uunet.uu.net>
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 19:41:02 GMT

 Rich> == Rich Salz <rsalz@uunet.uu.net> 

 Rich> Having other stuff to do (ah, the pain of real work), I let the
 Rich> issue drop for a few months.  I have been thinking about it for
 Rich> the past week or two, and decided that the name is bad.
 Rich> News.software.transport seems to also "eat up"
 Rich> news.software.nntp.  Perhaps news.software.uucp is a better name
 Rich> for news.software.b?

Hrm, no.  I barely do UUCP, but I *do* use C news ;-)

I think news.software.nntp and news.software.transport[s] can coexist
nicely, given reasonable people posting (which is pretty much the case
now).  news.software.nntp will cover topics like:

 - so when *is* the v2 spec going to come out?

 - nntplink vs. nntpxfer vs. nntpxmit

and news.software.transport will cover topics like:

 - how to set up C news

 - how to fix your stupid blunders (my particular latest topic ;-)

 - C news+nntplink vs. INN: what's best?

some things might need to be cross-posted.

 - how to set up C news + nntpxmit ;-)

I *really* dislike the name news.software.uucp, because that ties the
relaying software (B/C news) too closely to the actual link protocol,
which really doesn't make sense to do.

news.software.relaying?  *shrug*

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Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: newgroup and newsgroups file
From: tim@animal.gcs.co.nz (Tim Frost)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:01:40 GMT
Organization: GCS Limited, Wellington, New Zealand

In article <1992Apr13.153955.29032@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.104410.3381@ukw.uucp> lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph) writes:
>>Is there any specific reason to not let newgroup update the newsgroups
>>file? ...
>
>Yes:  because a newgroup message does not reliably include a suitable
>entry for the newsgroups file.  An automatic update could put in a line
>for the new group, but couldn't supply a description.

As a new news admin myself, I have recently had to reconstruct the
various control files used by C.News, and have wanted to know:
  1: How IS the newsgroups file supposed to be updated?
  2: Are there any other files which need to be updated as a result
	of newgroup/rmgroup messages ?
  3: Do other control messages require manual actions, and if so,
	what are these actions?
  4: How much of this information is buried in the documentation
	for C News?

Tim Frost

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From: jerry@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Jerry Aguirre)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: bad distributions
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:15:34 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <1992Apr10.153744.8199@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> xcea@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chad Adams) writes:
>After thinking about this for a while it would be good for it to take
>distrtbutions like comp, alt, misc and change them to world.  How about

There is no such distribution as "world"!  That name was invented as a
"magic cookie" to match a null distribution.  If the distribution is the
same as the newsgroup or a prefix of the news group then just discard it
entirly.  It is only wasting bytes.  If there are multiple heirarchies
then the issue is a little more complex.

I think that the use of the term "world" was a bad choice.  At the very
least we should have used "none" and even better would have been some
obscure syntax like ",," or "@".  What are we going to do when we start
feeding news to the space station and the complain about leaks of the
"world" distribution. :-)

I see no reason why the posting software could not disallow postings
with distributions not in the distributions file.  At worst a poster
will not be able to post with a newly created regional distribution.
Fine, they can complain to their sysadmin.  Their posting won't go
anywhere anyway unless their admin updates the sys file.

Oh, I forgot.  Henry advises everyone to use /all so new distributions
get passed by default.
From: xcea@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Chad Adams)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: bad distributions
Date: 6 Apr 92 19:00:27 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network

I have been watching the distributions that come into my site and have
figured out that alot of the articles posted do not go to everyone
because they have incorrect distributions.   Many, many, many have a
distribution of 'all'.  Also there are quite a few 'USA, World, Na'
also.  These will not work because of the upper case.
Why can't inews check to see if it is a correct distribution (in
/usr/lib/news/distributions) before it posts it and reject it if not.
Just like it rejects articles posted to newsgroups not in 'active'.
It seems it could at least head off stuff like 'world, local' and limit
it to one word.  It is a shame to see all of these articles not reach
all of the net just because someone did not know what to type.

Chad Adams
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From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis)
Newsgroups: news.software.b
Subject: Re: What happened to news.software.transport?
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:44:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: loiosh.CKD.92Apr9174255
	<1992Apr9.133415.16521@uunet.uu.net> <BMGFxG.JGo@world.std.com>
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central

[distribution changed to world; it's not a North American issue]
 Geoff> == Geoff Collyer <geoff@world.std.com> 

 Geoff> The name news.software.uucp is inappropriate as a replacement for
 Geoff> news.software.b.  How about renaming news.software.nntp to
 Geoff> comp.protocols.nntp and news.software.b to news.software.transport?

I like this one.  This nicely solves the namespace issues, and puts the
nntp group in an arguably better/more appropriate location, besides.

The issue of transport[s] is still open; I lean to transport, myself,
despite the lack of symmetry with "readers".
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Newsgroups: news.software.b
From: darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Subject: Control scripts - oops
>from: darcy@druid.uucp (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Organization: D'Arcy Cain Consulting
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:56:03 GMT

A few days ago I posted some scripts that allowed admins to have any
control messages mailed to themselves for approval before executing
them.  Upon reflection I realized there was a slight flaw.  If you
redirect sendsys, for example, someone can still get your sys file
by issuing a "sendsys.X" control message.  The fix is to put the
real scripts in a sibling directory ($NEWSBIN/ctl.X) and make the
following two changes:

In chk.control change
    echo "END_MESSAGE: $0 $1 $2 $3" >> $tmp.1
to
    echo "END_MESSAGE: `basename $0` $1 $2 $3" >> $tmp.1

and in do.control change
    su - news ${2}.X $3 $4 $5 $6 < $tmp.2
to
    su - news $NEWSBIN/ctl.X/$2 $3 $4 $5 $6 < $tmp.2

Sorry about that.

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From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: IFI error for non-privileged users.
Date: 15 Apr 92 10:31:58 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Apr14.035846.3079@ra.msstate.edu>,
 gowen@walt.CS.MsState.Edu (Lon Gowen) writes:
> Well, I now have MX V3.1A up and running fine, so I can turn to ANU V6.0-3.
> My current problem is that I can run news from my SYSTEM account but not
> from user accounts (i.e., non-privileged accounts).  So, privileges must
> have something to do with the problem.  I checked all my protection flags
> on all news files/directories.  They are currently set to World:RE, which
> should allow anyone to read and execute them.  However, my test user
> account receives the following message when I run news:

It sounds as if the NEWS image isn't properly installed with SYSPRV.

Also, you need to make sure that the first time you run NEWS you have
the NEWS manager identifier granted to the process. The logical
NEWS_MGR_ID translates to the name of the identifier that the user
must hold.  For example, I have:

"NEWS_MGR_ID" = "NEWS_MANAGER_ID"

and I did:

UAF> GRANT/ID NEWS_MANAGER_ID SLOANE

If the files NEWS_ROOT:NEWS.ITEMS and NEWS_ROOT:NEWS.GROUPS don't
exist, then you probably didn't have the appropriate identifier
granted when you first started NEWS.
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From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: ADD/NONETFEED doesn't stop sending
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:49:32 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Apr8.131415.1572@merrimack.edu>, rand@merrimack.edu writes:
> In article <1992Apr7.083703.39098@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes:
>> In article <1992Apr6.092114.1557@merrimack.edu>, rand@merrimack.edu writes:
>>> Hmm, I'm not so sure I understand this. Can you explain the use of the slash?
>> 
>> From the sample NEWS.SYS supplied with the V6.0-3 distribuiton:
>> 
> 
> OH! The old use-the-current-version ploy, eh? :-)

Not reaaly.  I am not sure exactly what version this was introduced
in.  If it doesn't work in your version, then I guess you need to
upgrade, or start using the NEWS.DISTRIBUTION file.
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From: ewilts@mr.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Add File/NoLog feature request
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:01:12 -0700
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

Here's yet another new feature request.
I'd like to do something like:
	ADD FILE/LOG[=logfile.log] *.BATCH
or	ADD FILE/NOLOG *.BATCH

I'm currently finding that my log files are fairly large with what I consider
informational messages.  I'd like to restrict the output to just those messages
that refer to junk'ed or rejected articles.  The default would be /LOG to
duplicate the current functionality.

Is this a feature that others would like to see?  Is it on a current "to-do"
list or even in 6.1?  Should I just have some fun and hack away at NEWSADD.C
myself and post the results?

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From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: Is there system-wide default to limit entries in newsrc.?
Date: 6 Apr 92 10:50:35 CDT
Reply-To: SLOANE@UKANVAX.BITNET
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Apr3.144202.3561@cs.tulane.edu>, zmw@vega.selu.edu writes:
> In anu-news v6.0-3, is there some logical or compile characteristic
> to keep from putting entries for all available newsgroups in a user's
> newsrc. file?

This can be configured by the user.  Take a look at the documentation
on SET PROFILE/RCFILTER.  I wouldn't recommend doing this, since it
makes it difficult to read any groups except the once specifically
mentioned in the NEWSRC file.
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From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: add_20203e5f.itm
Date: 6 Apr 92 10:54:52 CDT
Reply-To: SLOANE@UKANVAX.BITNET
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <ANU-NEWS%92040608370826@VM1.NODAK.EDU>,
 "Annarita Adrualdi, CINECA" <AAA0@ICINECA2.BITNET> writes:
>   We run anu-news 6-0.3. WE found a lot of files named : ADD_number.ITM
>   where number is exadecimal in the news_manager directory.

These are tempory files used by the ADD FILE command. They should be
deleted when the ADD FILE command is done. If there are a lot of them
accumulating, then there is probably some problem in your NEWS
configuration, or NEWS (or the system) is crashing frequently. Check
the permissions on the file to see if the account that runs NEWS has
permission to delete these files.
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From: ewilts@mr.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: Default itemhold per hierarchy
Date: 13 Apr 92 12:56:27 -0700
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1992Apr13.131434.1837@admin1.memst.edu>, flowers@admin1.memst.edu (Harry Flowers) writes:
> In article <1992Apr13.111342.39301@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>,
>  sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes:
>> In <1992Apr9.200200.405@mr.gov.bc.ca>, ewilts@mr.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts) writes:
>>>What I want to do is to set a default itemhold time for each hierarchy.  For
>>>example, I'd like all my comp group articles kept for 14 days but my rec group
>>>articles for only 5.  
>> 
>> Try:
>> 
>> NEWS> SET NEWSGROUP NEWS.*/ITEM=5
>> NEWS> SET NEWSGROUP COMP.*/ITEM=14
> 
> Yes, I've done something similar to that, too.  But what Ed Wilts wanted (and
> I would like as well) was a way to set a *default* item hold for a hierarchy.

Exactly!  I guess I wasn't clear in my original posting.

I'd like to do:
NEWS> SET NEWSGROUP REC.*/ITEM=5/DEFAULT
                                 ^^^^^^^

This would set the default for all newly created groups in the REC hierarchy
without affecting any existing groups.  It's probably ugly to modify NEWSSITE.H
to expand EXP_TIME for individual hierarchies, so a global setting as shown
above is probably more appropriate.

> Harry Flowers                           Internet: FLOWERS@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
> Memphis State University                & Bitnet: FLOWERS@MEMSTVX1
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From: boss@geovax.ed.ac.uk (Bruce Gittings)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: Profile Setting
Date: 12 Apr 92 11:33:29 GMT
Organization: University of Edinburgh, Geography Department.

In article <1992Apr10.074425.39195@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes:
> In article <1992Apr8.143034.85@boprc.govt.nz>,
>  raji@boprc.govt.nz (Raji ARULAMBALAM) writes:

>> 2) Also setting the /LINE_EDIT does not work. Have to manually set it.

> 
> This is partially fixed in V6.1.  The profile setting is honored when
> NEWS is started, but is lost when a subprocess is spawned.

The work-around for V6.0-3 is to have a NEWS_INIT file defined containing the
command "SET LINE".  NEWS_INIT is a not-quite-documented logical name for an
initialisation file which can contain any news commands (different from 
NEWS_INI which just contains key definitions).

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Subject: Problem with processing checkgroup control messages
From: fowler@southpower.co.nz
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:45:21 NZDT

Hi,

I have a question about checkgroup control message processing. I am trying
to get ANU-News to process a checkgroup message and produce a command file
(mailed to USENET) with all of the updates necessary to bring the news
database up to date. I am using the command below...

NEWS> add file/genid checkgroups.lis

and my checkgroups.lis file is as below. The message is being added to the
newsgroup "control" ok but no mail message is being sent to USENET. Is
there anything else I have to add to the header ??  How can I get my news
software to generate the command file ??

Thanks for any replies.
Ken.

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 92 01:49:13 GMT
Control: checkgroups
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nz.archives             Announcements of available software.
nz.arts                 Discussion on the Arts.
nz.comp                 Computing and computers.
nz.general              General information, announcements, etc
nz.molbio               Molecular Biology.
nz.netstatus            Status of local & international net links
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From: ake@dayton.saic.com (Earle Ake)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: Bug in V6.1a3 regarding mail
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:28:36 GMT
Organization: Science Applications Intl. Corp., Dayton, Ohio

In article <1992Apr9.155622.1805@admin1.memst.edu>, flowers@admin1.memst.edu (Harry Flowers) writes:
> In ADD_TRANSFORM.C, there's an incorrect #ifdef statement; it should be #if.
> 
> Here's the differences:
> ************
> File $1$DUA7:[ANU.NEWS61.NEWS_SRC]ADD_TRANSFORM.C;36
>   104   #if UWO
>   105   char *add_transform(s)	char *s;
> ******
> File $1$DUA7:[ANU.NEWS61.NEWS_SRC]ADD_TRANSFORM.C;35
>   104   #ifdef	UWO
>   105   char *add_transform(s)	char *s;
> ************

	I found that after I realized that none of my replies were getting out.
I sent a message to Geoff hoping he would put up an alpha4.  I think there are
a few things I fixed in alpha3 but that's the most important one.

	Goeff,  will you have time to add in the additional fixes and put out
an alpha4 some time soon?


-Earle
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From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: Cnews vs ANU-NEWS sys file format
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:25:45 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In <1992Apr7.110331.215@cutler>, john@cutler.com (John E. Babbitt Jr.) writes:
> Can anyone tell me if the ANU-NEWS sys file format is exactly the same as
> Cnews?  E.g., is "ME:" rather than the normal "my_real_site:" recognized?

The format is not identical. ME is supported as a system name.

> Is the format site:list,of,newsgroups/list,of,distribution:f: supported?

No.  "f" is not supported either in the flag field either.

> It'll be easier for me to do editings of Cnews and ANU-NEWS sys files
> between connecting sites if ANU-NEWS can support Cnews format.

ANU news supports lists of distributions as the 5th field in the
entry:

site/site1,site2...:groups:flag:file:distributions,...

This is all documented in the sample NEWS.SYS file provided in the
distribuion.

> From an earlier reading:  Is the site0/site1,site2,etc... supported in
> Cnews as well?  Thanks for supplying any info.

It think so, but you better ask the Cnews people to make sure.
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From: ewilts@mr.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Default itemhold per hierarchy
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:01:59 -700
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

I'm currently running 6.0-3 and am looking for a feature that I hope is in 6.1. 
What I want to do is to set a default itemhold time for each hierarchy.  For
example, I'd like all my comp group articles kept for 14 days but my rec group
articles for only 5.  

Is this feature in 6.0-3 but I haven't found it yet?
Is this in 6.1 or planned to be added?

Many thanks,

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From: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane)
Newsgroups: news.software.anu-news
Subject: Re: Profile Setting
Date: 10 Apr 92 07:44:25 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

In article <1992Apr8.143034.85@boprc.govt.nz>,
 raji@boprc.govt.nz (Raji ARULAMBALAM) writes:
>1) setting up my profile to autoregister all new newsgroups with the command
>   >SET PROFILE/NEWREGISTER
>   does not automatically register new newsgroups. I have to manually register
>   them.

This is a bug in V6.0-3.  It is fixed in V6.1 alpha 3.  Until V6.1
becomes productional, you can set the conditional compilation flag
NEWGROUP_REG in NEWSSITE.H to 1, and all groups will be registered
automatically.

> 2) Also setting the /LINE_EDIT does not work. Have to manually set it.

This is partially fixed in V6.1.  The profile setting is honored when
NEWS is started, but is lost when a subprocess is spawned.
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