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From: ufe@dlva.dl.ac.uk (Mark Enderby)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Manchester Metro
Date: 13 Apr 92 09:14:38 GMT
Reply-To: enderby@daresbury.ac.uk
Organization: SERC Daresbury Laboratory

-- The Bury section opened on Monday 6th April - after a 2-week delay.
Though the street sections were due a month later (and Altrincham
before the summer), I suspect further delays on these sections will
occur.
Surprisingly, the first fatality was not on a street section - but
on the old BR track to Bury. I can't see the British coping with trams
on the road and would have expected some mangled cars and buses in
the near future !
The Altrincham line segregation south of Skelton Junction is by
separate tracks. Can't remember the exact details, but I suspect there
is a small section of single line for both parties. The BR line
has been closed (as was the Bury one) since Christmas - and as you
quite rightly suspect, the replacement bus services were/are chaos !
PS It's been quite sunny/warm and bright up here recently !!!
Cheers,
	Mark
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From: pierson@cimcad.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson)
Subject: DC Union Station
Keywords: USA, AMTRAK
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 16 APR 92 07:53:20    

>In a previous article, betsyp@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) says, in part:

>>Does anybody have some thoughts about why the absolutely grungiest
>>parts of Union Station are the parts that serve actual train passengers?
	Wellll, _parts_ of the terminal by the ticket windows, etc are nice,
	i thought.  The refurbishment of the station has been a _long_ process
	with many twists.  The actual waiting area is as civilized as any
	airport.  The platforms, proper aren't much, but they never are.  The
	"east side" of the working concourse is still under renovation, (and
	have been for 15 years...) but thats not passenger waiting area.

thanks
dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage,
Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own.
200 Forest St			|I am the NRA.
Marlboro, Mass		01752	pierson@cimnet.enet.dec.com
"He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: M00209@MBVM.Mitre.Org
Subject: 'The Best Way..."
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:35:06 GMT

Our parish priest (Fr. Henry Cunney, Church of the Nativity, Merrimac MA) just
the other day joined the Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts.  Last evening,
in his sermon for Holy Thursday, he showed his "rail" orientation by making the
observation:
 
    "There are many places on earth where the best way to go is by car.  There
are many places on earth where the best way to go is by plane or ship.  But the
best way to get to Heaven is by RAIL - the Communion Rail."
 
 Amen!
 
Len Bachelder        Archives Committee, Boston and Maine RR Historical Society
MITRE Corp.           Secretary, Massachusetts Bay Railroad Enthusiasts
Bedford MA 01730      Member, 470 Railroad Club
<M00209@mbvm.mitre.org>
 
"Amazing love, how can it be that Thou, my God, should'st die for me!"
                                                 - Charles Wesley
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: johnm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com (John Mosbarger)
Subject: Re: Rail Freqs.
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 16:09:18 GMT

rfj@alpha.sunquest.com (RICHARD F. JONES) writes:
> Greetings!!
> 
> Since I have a mobile radio scanner and have a hangup about trains, I 
> was wondering if anyone knew how I could go about ascertaining the 
> frequencies to listen in on for SP train traffic in Southern Arizona?
> 
> Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Richard Jones    rfj@alpha.sunquest.com  -  internet

     If SP has not changed their road frequency, it's 161.550.  They are
gradually changing over to 161.320 (or 160.320, I don't remember which).
The PBX freqs. most often used are 160.890 and 160.950.

--
John Mosbarger
HP McMinnville, OR
johnm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com
From: czl30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Chris Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Manchester Metro
Date: 10 Apr 92 14:45:17 GMT
Reply-To: czl30@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (PUT YOUR NAME HERE)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Apr9.161016.15212@tcom.stc.co.uk> rap@tcom.stc.co.uk (Richard Porter) writes:
>I'm told that Manchester MetroLink services are now operating between
>Victoria and Bury over the former BR track. Test runs are being made
>over the city centre section which is expected to carry public services
>later in the year.
>
>Anyone up there in Rainy City care to comment?

Anybody got any idea when the Altrincham section will open? Also, how do
they keep light and heavy rail apart on the section South of Skelton
Junction (assuming that the Chester trains now run via Northenden and
Stockport)?

Until just over 2 years ago I used to live in Brooklands, and until I
joined Amdahl (UK) 5 years ago I always travelled to work in Manchester
by train. Was the MSJA line closed for the conversion? I suspect I would
have used my car rather than the bus along Chester Road or Princess
Jamway!

Chris Lee
From: ehr@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Ernest H. Robl)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: North Dakota BN Action
Summary: car ownership
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:35:24 GMT
Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service

In article <1992Apr6.130720.6237@hemlock.cray.com>, easmith@hemlock.cray.com (Eric Smith) writes:
> 
> I went up to Grand Forks, North Dakota this past weekend, and now have some
> questions about the trains I saw.  
> 
> 1) I saw several unit coal trains on the way up and back, and one trains' cars
> were 5-bay hoppers with MCHX markings, and one of the other trains' cars were
> marked SCKX.  Does anyone know what companies these belong to?
> 

     [Other questions deleted and left for someone else to answer.]

MCHX = Transcisco Rail Services Co.  (The cars are probably leased to
          a particular utility company)

SCKX = Northern Coal Transportation Co.

This information is from a copy of the _Pocket List of Railroad
Officials_, which, contrary to its name, is a hefty book issued
quarterly and received on subscription by many railroad officials.
You can often get someone who works for a railroad to pass along a
slightly outdated copy which still contains much useful information,
such the list of reporting marks.

Of course, my all time favorite is still:

HOCX = Head-On Collision Line

Yes, this is a real railcar leasing outfit.  And, that's their 
legal name.  The cars, though carry only the reporting marks.

-- Ernest
-- 

"My other computer is a Nikon N8008." -- Ernest H. Robl
Ernest H. Robl (ehr@ecsvax)  Durham, NC, USA   +1  919   286-3845
                                         FAX:  +1  919   286-1696
Organization: mbp Software&Systems GmbH at ESOC, Darmstadt, Germany
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 10:27:34 CET
From: Dr. Lutz Massonne <LMASSONN@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Question: ATC <=> steam engines?

As far as I know the German (DB) "Indusi" system, it also operates the
brakes only.

There was a excursion train last year with a German 1'D1' steam engine
(class 41 if I remember correctly) and the former East German government
train from Berlin, using the Sassnitz ferry to Sweden, and up to
the polar circle.
This loco was surely equipped with Indusi (as it runs on German main lines
quite frequently) and maybe, if a repetition of such an excursion should
take place, you (or SJ officials) could have a look at the system.

Another hint: If you want to go more into technical detail, try to
contact the guys at the Dahlhausen railway museum. They take care
of some of the German Railway History Societies rolling stock and should
know about these things.

Contact:
Eisenbahnmuseum Bochum-Dahlhausen
Dr.-C.-Otto-Str. 191
D-W4630 Bochum 5

Regards, Lutz Massonne
From: paul@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Manchester Metro
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:42:24 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAXcluster

In article <1992Apr13.091438.15087@gserv1.dl.ac.uk>, ufe@dlva.dl.ac.uk (Mark Enderby) writes:
> -- The Bury section opened on Monday 6th April - after a 2-week delay.
> Though the street sections were due a month later (and Altrincham
> before the summer), I suspect further delays on these sections will
> occur.
> Surprisingly, the first fatality was not on a street section - but
> on the old BR track to Bury. 

I must have missed news of that accident - can anyone provide details?

Paul Griffiths
From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Diesel-Electric vs. Diesel-hydraulic
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:48:47 GMT

Least people forget, other diesel transmission schemes have been tried.

The Germans tried a diesel compressed air engine; this was mounted on a
Pacific frame, I think (4-6-2 wheel count), and the Diesel engine ran a
compressor, with the compressor output being additionally heated by the
diesel exhaust to five it a bit more pressure before it was expanded in
the conventional steam-engine cylinders.

The British tried a dual-diesel direct-geared-drive engine that was
the only moderately successful engine of that type in mainline service.

For years, Plymouth made a line of tiny direct-drive diesels for
shunting and industrial service, but they could only move a car or two.

					Doug Jones
					jones@cs.uiowa.edu
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: kls@ditka.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz)
Subject: Re: SP/SF paint jobs.
Keywords: Red, Yellow, Butt Ugly
Organization: Chicago Software Works
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 06:48:53 GMT

In article <3526@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us> rhino@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:
>Also, once in a while an engine in SP grey comes through, but it's labled
>Cotton Belt and the nose has SSW instead of SP.  Is this common?

Yes, it's fairly common.  Cotton Belt (SSW) was a subsidiary which
Espee kept semi-independent until just prior to the D&RGW merger.
The main reason for this was financial -- SSW had erased all long-
term debt through a bankruptcy (actually several) before WW II and
thus had easier access to the financial markets.  In the past few
decades equipment was acquired by whoever had the money and run on
the lines that needed it, hence the SSW bought SD45T-2s, all of
which were based out of Roseville.  Except for lettering SSW units
were almost always identical to their Espee cousins.

None of the rosters I have handy lists totals broken down by SSW
vs SP but eyeballing it I'd say between 20% and 40% of the units on
the system are Cotton Belt units, with representatives of each of
the most popular models (SD45, SD45T-2, GP9, GP35, GP40-2, SW1500,
etc.).

-- 
Karl Swartz		|INet	kls@ditka.chicago.com
1-415/854-3409		|UUCP	uunet!decwrl!ditka!kls
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"Unix is a fractal thicket." (Mark Barnett)
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wednesday, 8 Apr 1992 11:55:40 EDT
From: <JJE107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: B&O, BR&P, B&S, WA&G (was Re: Railway Lantern)
 <1992Apr8.151747.24236@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>


The Pittsburgh and Western Subdivision of the B&O was their original mainline
through Pittsburgh.  The B&O began running the mainline passenger trains
on the Pittsburgh and Lake Erie in 1936(I believe).  Unfortunately, I don't
know when the line was built, but it was orginally the Pittsburgh and Western
Railway. I believe that it was absorbed by the B&O in 1901.  The line was
double-tracked until it was equipped with CTC in 1978.  Afterwards, it was
reduced to single track with sidings at Laughlin Junction, Etna, Wildwood,
Evans City, Old Furnace, and Kline.  Trains that usually ran on the P&W were
trains that could not clear the tight clearances of the J&L tunnel on the P&LE
and trains that came off the former BR&P.  When J&L tunnel was equipped to
handle larger freight cars in 1984, the P&W Sub. became very inactive with only
a few coal trains and locals.  Today, the siding at  Wildwood has been
torn up, the siding at Etna is only a quarter of the size it once was, and
Kline siding is out of service.  The track conditions are the best they have
ever been thanks to Amtrak running the Broadway Limited on it, and when track
work on the P&LE is taking place, CSX will run a few trains on the P&W.
However, Amtrak wants to take the Broadway off the P&W.  They say that it is
too slow (what a waste of money for trackwork).  And rumors are starting to
fly around Pittsburgh that the P&W Sub. will be abandoned between Bakerstown,PA
and Etna,PA and that this will take place in the not-to-distant future.
Personally, CSX still has to dump a great deal of money into the P&LE and I
cannot see how they are going to shut the P&W Sub. down at this point in time.
I would suggest that this summer should be the time to visit the P&W. By the
end of the summer, CSX should (read "should") have the P&LE in decent shape.
Up to at least 50 miles per hour, right now in a lot of places it is down to
about 10 m.p.h. When the P&LE is in decent shape and transit times decrease,
expect the P&W Sub. to be abandoned in the middle.  Of course, don't hold your
breath, because CSX wanted to abandon the P&W six years ago and it never
occured.
--------------
 Jim Emerson
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: lelanda@Ampex.COM (Dave Leland)
Subject: CSRM Festival....June '92
Originator: lelanda@omega
Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 15:06:35 GMT

The following was faxed to me last night by a friend.
These are excerpts from a letter sent to CSRM Associates.


Dated Mar. 24, 1992

    Designed not duplicate RAILFAIR '91, but to complement it, the CALIFORNIA
RAILROAD FESTIVAL is planned to be an annual event and will be held each year on the second weekend of June.
This years event will get underway at noon on Friday, June 12 and run through
Sunday, June 14th.

    Festival plans call for extended Museum hours,interpretive exhibits and
access to Mueseum equipment not normally open to the public. The recreational
aspects of railroading will be highlighted with toy and model displays,train    rides, film and video shows, tours through private railroad cars, steam and
diesel locomotives and********a-once-in-a-lifetime special treat--tours through
the cab of the Mueseum's giant,million-pound Cab-Forward steam locomotive       SP No. 4294. Never before has this opportunity been offered!*************
(the stars are mine)

Ther is a phone # to call for further info.

Catherine Taylor or Ellie Van Airsdale at (916) 322-8485


HOPE TO SEE **YOU** THERE !!!!!!


Dave............lelanda@ampex.com
From: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: more on apta conferen
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:45:10 EST
Reply-To: "nigel allen" <nigel.allen@canrem.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Canada Remote Systems

further details on the APTA commuter rail conference...

Press release from American Public Transit Association

 New Travel Choices Await Commuters in Wake of ISTEA Legislation
 To: National Desk, Transportation Writer
 Contact: Chip Bishop of the American Public Transit Association,
          202-898-4114

   WASHINGTON, April 13 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The secretaries of
transportation from Virginia and Maryland told a national commuter
rail conference today that their states will use the flexibility
contained in new federal surface transportation legislation to give
commuters new travel choices.
   Speaking to more than 600 people at the American Public Transit
Association's fifth annual Commuter Rail Conference here, Virginia
Transportation Secretary John Milliken said his state welcomes the
"change and the challenge" of ISTEA, the Intermodal Surface
Transportation Efficiency Act.  "We will use its resources to
create a balanced transportation system our job is to create a
system that gives people choices," he said.
   Milliken said the choices include more high-occupancy vehicle
(HOV) lanes, park-and-ride lots, subway, bus and commuter rail
services and maintenance of the current road network.
   Maryland Transportation Secretary O. James Lighthizer said ISTEA
"presents a tremendous opportunity not just for money but for the
flexibility to move money around the state for things like commuter
rail."
   He said ISTEA is a "radical departure" from the days of federal
emphasis on highways to a future of intermodalism.  "We are at the
dawn of a new era in commuter rail," he said.
   D.C. Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton called on the APTA conferees
to support full funding of the ISTEA legislation "for jobs and for
the environment." She is a member of the House Committee on Public
Works and Transportation which drafted the legislation.  "Our city
has been transformed by our transit system and we are going to be
the beneficiaries of commuter rail."
   Conference registrants also heard from W. Graham Claytor,
president of Amtrak, an operator of commuter rail service for local
transit authorities nationwide.  He said that with the inauguration
of the Virginia Railway Express service in June and a similar
service in the San Francisco Bay Area, Amtrak will carry more
commuter rail passengers than intercity riders.  "Both intercity
and commuter services are growing at a fantastic rate," he said.
   The APTA Commuter Rail Conference continues through Wednesday
at the Hyatt Regency Hotel.
   APTA is the international association of operating transit
authorities, their suppliers and others interested in the
advancement of transit service.
 -0-
 /U.S. Newswire  202-347-2770/
--
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: gurd@next04wor.wam.umd.edu (Daffy Duck)
Subject: Re: Montrealer Notice
Reply-To: gurd@wam.umd.edu
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:56:16 GMT

Eddie Van Huffel writes
> From the Current Amtrak Timetable 4-5-92 to 10-24-92
> 
> MONTREALER
> 
> The Schedule and Services of the Montrealer,
> Trains 60 and 61, are subject to change.  At
> press time of this timetable, the final
> schedule was not available.  Please consult
> an Amtrak agent for further details on
> Montrealer service.  A printed timetable
> will be available at a later date.
> 
> 
> --
> eddie@railnet.nshore.ORG (Eddie Van Huffel)
> Railnet BBS (phone # changing April 1992)

I posted this earlier.  The Montrealer WILL NOT be axed.  The train is  
losing checked bagage service (except during the ski-season), a sleeper  
off each train, and the dining car gets axed and will be replaced by a  
Amcafe, or Amdinette.
From: rep@odin.icd.ab.com (Robert E. Pappenhagen)
Subject: Re: Playing Chicken!!!
Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 15:21:35 GMT

Just a personal note here : about 12 years ago my 2nd cousin
was crossing a grade when her car stalled. She was smart enough
to get out of the car when she heard the train but she walk/ran
away from the train and was killed by the flying car. I guess if
there is anything to learn is to take photos etc. from the 
upstream side of the crossing.
From: mikel@berlioz.nsc.com (Michael G. Lohmeyer)
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Car Attacks SP Train
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:30:00 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <1992Apr07.191545.28309@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com> johnm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com (John Mosbarger) writes:
>......The street crosses the track at about a
>30 degree angle, there are no gates or lights, but visibility is almost
>unrestricted in both directions.  The engineer said he saw the car from a
>long distance, but noticed it never slowed for the train.  He also said he
>was laying on the horn but to no avail......... 

     There were no lights or gates and the only thing the engineer was
using to warn cars was his horn!!  This couldn't be right.  Every railroad
crossing I have ever seen that didn't have lights or gates has had 
breakman with flares, etc. to control traffic while the train crosses.
Am I missing something here?

Mike
-------------
Mike Lohmeyer				mikel@berlioz.nsc.com
National Semiconductor Corporation
(408) 721-8075
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: johnm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com (John Mosbarger)
Subject: Re: Car Attacks SP Train
Organization: HP Cardiology Business Unit - McMinnville, OR
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 19:14:02 GMT

andre@farside.slc.mentorg.com (Andre' Hut) writes:

[.....]
 
>    >	There were no lights or gates and the only thing the engineer was
>    >using to warn cars was his horn!!  This couldn't be right.  Every railroad
>    >crossing I have ever seen that didn't have lights or gates has had 
>    >breakman with flares, etc. to control traffic while the train crosses.
>    >Am I missing something here?
> 
> Actually this is quite common in rural areas.  There is usually a
> railroad crossing sign though.  I understand that the typical gate crossing
> with the lights, bells and arms cost in the neighborhood of $100,000.  
> No one is likely to spend that kind of money on lightly travelled 
> roads.
>
     This particular crossing has crossbucks, and railroads usually don't
install the whole ball of wax without a sizable contribution from one of
the local governments, be it city, county, or state.
  
--
John Mosbarger
HP McMinnville, OR
johnm@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com

Newsgroups: rec.railroad
From: gregg@zehntel (Gregg Fuhriman)
Subject: More SPSF merger sightings
Reply-To: gregg@zehntel (Gregg Fuhriman)
Organization: Zehntel, Inc. Walnut Creek, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 18:36:53 GMT

There are some dead C30-7's in merger paint at Santa Fe's shops 
in San Bernardino, CA.  I think these are GE-owned units that
used to be leased to Santa Fe.

Also, I saw an SP merger-painted GP9 in the Oakland, CA
servicing area a couple weeks ago.  This unit is probably
still in regular service on the SP.

There are no merger units in regular service owned by the
Santa Fe.  However, they do lease units from GE, so there
are occasional reports of merger-painted units running on
Santa Fe rails under lease.

I've also read reports that Morrison-Knudson in Boise, ID owns
at least one merger-painted unit, and uses it as their shop
switcher.  I think it's an ex-SP SD45 ?  Is it still there ?

					FCF
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 15:54:09 EDT
From: <JJE107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Alco Century 425 active on Springfield Terminal
Distribution: na

Yes, GTI received all of the six C424Ms back from the D&H.  Actually, the
locomotives were D&H's but CP didn't want them so GTI took them back.
Now if GTI  would only keep them running.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 08:52:04 EDT
From: John D. Balogh <JDB6@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.railroad
Subject: Re: Alco GIF's posted

These files are available now on OTC1.PSU.EDU in the /pub/graphics/trains
directory for anonymous FTP.