HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Pompoms (was Re: Gai Pied news items, 30th July 1992)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 04:44:57 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <icumenin@vadier.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) 
writes:
>
>SEX AND THE US NAVY
>
>  After the sexual harassment scandal which shook the pompoms of the
>  US Navy's sailors, Admiral Fetterman had launched a programme
>  intended to return the minds of Navy personnel to the good old
>  values: patriotism, honetsy, integrity, and professionalism.  The
>  poor admiral has just been dismissed from his functions.  He is
>  accused of having used his rank to protect a subordinate who had
>  made homosexual advances to other members of the glorious American
>  Navy.
>
>  [I don't think US sailors have pompoms, do they?]

I'm sure they do.  They had them in WWI and WWII, and apparently they were
useful, or they wouldn't have kept them.  I don't think there was much
opportunity to use them in the gulf war, although they might have been used
in some of the US's central american forays.

I suspect that great technological advances have been made in the field,
though, so the name may have changed.

Also, people tend to confuse them with pompons. 

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From: phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Steven Mancini)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Smut"
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:46:20 GMT
Organization: My own little world.

michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane) giggles:
>richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:
>>michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane) writes:
>[re: carnival in rio]
>>>i don't know about this, but i think i know a furry acorn eater in
>>>pacifica who can loan you a copy.... or you can borrow mine, of
>>>course. :-)
>>Noisy, loudmouthed tart.  No more Chianti for *you*.
>we'll just *see* about that, now, won't we. a threat like this is one
>of the few things that i won't take take lying down (heh)... :-)
                                ^^^^ ^^^^
                                |||| ||||
                    Is this anything like do do?
                    Or was that just my gutter mind at work?
                    :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)

>--mike
Patrick
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: RE: Redefining Self (was a thread I won't get involved in)
Date: 1 Sep 92 18:43:25 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) wrote:
>I cannot say either yes or no, because we _are_ a conceptual family,
>or thousands of conceptual families all at once, so that a person
>might have a conceptual brother married to his or her conceptual
>father, whose conceptual sister's nephew-by-marriage is also the
>sister's own conceptual grandson.

Oh my.  This sounds too much like Daivd's family.  He is an only child,
has 11 sisters and two brothers, all of them his first cousins.  In
addition, his father is his uncle, making him his own first cousin.
Shall I leave it to you all to figure this all out (except you, Bil,
you already know)?

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Subject: Re: Presidential theme music
Reply-To: cornell@syl.dl.nec.com
Organization: maybe next week
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 16:44:20 GMT

>When Bush came up to the podium to speak at the Republican National
>Convention they were playing music in the background. (That is normal)
>
>What wasn't normal (and what was confirmed and reported on National
>Public Radio) was that the theme music in question was the title song
>from 'La Cage au Folles'. 8)

Perhaps this was the orchestra's music director's little joke.  :-)
Just picture the music planning meeting between the RNC planners and
the music director (MD).
	RNC: OK, we need something to be played to set the stage for
		when George walks in.
	MD: Well, there are a few possibilities.  How about this
		tune?  It's a nice, catchy tune yet wouldn't draw
		the focus of attention from Mr.Bush's entrance.
		[Insert Time/Life Broadway Hits cassette tape.]
			<I hope that they like this one.  They
			didn't seem to think too much of "Gimme
			Gimme Gimme a Man after Midnight".>
	RNC: I kind of like this one.  You're right about it
		being a catchy tune but not obtrusive to take away
		any of the effect of George hobbling in.  What do
		you think RNC2?
	RNC2: Yes, I think we should go with this.  After this
		convention is over, I'm going to have to order a
		Time/Life Broadway Hits tape.  You get so many
		tunes at a low, family value price.
	MD: OK, I've got it down for Mr.Bush's entrance. 
			<HA! Got them.  Now, I've got to make
			sure the boys and girls in the band keep
			our little joke quiet.  Gee, I hope it's
			not TOO subtle for the general public
			though.
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:48:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <vanyel.714956556@camelot> vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan 
Williams) writes:
>
>(I swear, if this newsgroup is supposed to be an example of mature adults
>posting....

It's not.  A good thing, I think. 

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: practicing roles
Date: 2 Sep 92 21:18:17 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <2aa4c4a0@ThreeL.co.uk> jf@threel.co.uk (John
Fisher) writes:

>One tiny example: I was suprised to learn, reading here,
>that crossing your legs by putting one knee on top of the
>other is regarded in the States as typically a nelly thing
>to do.  In the UK, and I think most other places, this is
>completely neutral behaviour.  Everyone does it. 

Wait, I have a quote on this:

<> It was an education to hear that Americans thought all
<> Brits (men, at least) were gay.  This is because straight
<> America mistakes culture for effeminacy.
<> -- Mick Washbrook (mickw@Autodesk.com)
<> And then mistakes effeminacy for gayness.
<> -- Debby Swayne (dfs@bellcore.com)

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From: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams)
Subject: The Second Closet
Originator: rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:50:20 GMT


Portentous Subject, huh?  Actually, this is just about gay
Republicans!  There's an article in today's NYTimes (9/4/92)
profiling one Paul von Wupperfield, president of the Texas
Log Cabin Republicans ("it would be unnatural for me to vote
as a Democrat").  He claims that the nastiness at the RNC
in Houston has led to "thousands more" gay Republicans
venturing out of said Second Closet onto his mailing list.
Also, "the hostility in the gay community toward me as an
openly gay Republican is every bit as bad, if not worse, than
the hostility I get as a gay person."  And he still believes
that "celebrating individual freedom and minimal government"
are "Republican hallmarks."  His lover's a Republican too.
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From: randyc@autodesk.com (Randy Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Missing the heartbeat
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:10:50 GMT
Organization: Autodesk, Inc., Sausalito, CA


In article <1992Sep1.170355.22031@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <Btv4BI.Gn7@cs.vu.nl> fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
>writes:
>>I want puppy-love.  I want to know what it is like to have
>>someone as crazy about me as I'm about him, I want the
>>moments racing through my veins, I want those fields of my
>>emotional landscape back but I want to explore the part I
>>know is there but where I've never been.
>
>It *is* there, I'd say, and after having explored it at very
>great length, I hope you will be at least as lucky as I've
>been, for it is like nothing else on the planet, that I can
>promise you.  As befits *fabulous* things, this being a
>fable means there must be a moral at the end.

	Thanks to both of you for good posts.

	I am, at present in much the same frame of mind
	as FJ!!  Like Jess, I've been there -- but it's
	been a long time.  New year's, '91, to be specific.
	In Tokyo.  And then, I had to return to the States.
>
>Very well, then.  Potential exists to be unlocked.  Do so.
>Don't wait, do it now.  This is the only time there is.

	True enough, but it isn't something you can do
	alone!  When that other person isn't in the picture,
	what do you do?  Too much remembering doesn't help,
	and too much yearning isn't pretty.  And controlling
	one's own emotions isn't easy -- or even healthy, if
	you suppress rather than channel.

	So I fret this way, a good deal of the time.

	But having said that, I also have a sense that I
	will encounter someone soon -- or even discover
	some feelings toward someone I already know.
	I'm feeling happier about myself, lately.  And I'm
	feeling a lot more playful.  Both of those have got
	to be good things.

	Good luck! -R


--
There is a sad gaiety in our love, and though we have more wit
than Sunday lovers by the water's edge, our wit attracts misfortune.
							-- Genet
Randy Clark			{}!autodesk.com!randyc
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky)
Subject: Re: Come out!  come out!
Followup-To: soc.motss
Summary: listen to ellen
Organization: practicing faggots
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 21:35:23 GMT

if any of you in the u.s.a. missed ellen's post about the elections
and national coming out day, i suggest you go back in your news queue
and read it.

arnold

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Is Pat Robertson for real??
Date: 01 Sep 92 18:14:15 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.





(anderson)
/Not one word of which I disagreed with.  Apart from some
/very minor editorialzing, natural enough given the subject,
/I didn't detect much of Bob's own thinking about Robertson
/and the larger phenomenon of which he's a part.

/What would you say, Bob, is the greatest threat to LGB
/people from the "America is a Christian country and we're
/gonna take it back" crowd?



1.  The fact that many of these groups have discovered how to
exploit  political loopholes and archaisms (such as the 
caucus system).  This permits them to take advantage of the
fact that most people do not vote or understand the political
processes (esp. at their local city / state level).


2.  Normal religious broadcasts are not a threat to GBL folks;
studies have shown that 60% of the viewing audience is middle-class,
southern white women between the ages of 40 and 60.

The Christian Broadcasting Network, however, because it is also
airing such shows as "Father Knows Best", "The Rifleman",
etc. has an appeal to nonreligious folks who are middle-class
conservatives.  The newsy format of their talk shows would
have you believing it is actually a news informational
show, similar to the "infomercials" that many marketers use
to sell products on TV.  The net result is to 'worm' their
philosophy into people who might ordinarily not agree with
them otherwise.


3.  The vast majority of these groups are fundamentalist
and evangelical.  They are biblical literalists about such
things as gays.  And a whole bunch of other things.  They
have hijacked the Wash. State Repub. party and, among
other things, have advocated:

  a.  a return to the gold standard
  b.  retaking the Panama Canal (by force, if necessary)
  c.  removal of any books from public libraries which
      mention homosexuality, witchcraft, or "alternative
      lifestyles"
  d.  removal of yoga as a exercise in public schools, because
      it is actually an Eastern religion;
  e.  prayer in schools (no news there)
  f.  teaching of creationism
  g.  mandatory AIDS testing and "HIV status cards" for 
      everyone

The way that they were able to do this in Wash. state was to
"stack the deck" at the caucus.
From: rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???)
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:33:12 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Aug23.180033.11141@watson.ibm.com> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin):
>> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson):
>>> [Sarver] must be one o' those Reagan Republicans: running
>>> full-speed into the past, too dumb to know you're stuck in
>>> reverse.
>> 
>> of course sarver's republican, who else could believe in
>> the divinity of being white, male, and butch...
>
>...and keep a straight face...

So *that's* what he meant by "straight appearing"...
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                              +1 415 ALL-ARFF
rogerk@unpc.QueerNet.ORG                 {ames,decwrl,pyramid}!mips!unpc!rogerk
"Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."
                                                                   -- J. Foster
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rickc@agora.rain.com (Rick Coates)
Subject: The Silent Majority (was: other stuff)
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 22:44:24 GMT

bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver of the twisted knickers) writes:

...

>I have gotten several pieces of email from various folks who are "silent
>lurkers" on this newsgroup; that is, they read but never post (or so they
>tell me).  The reason they never post is that it would be suicide; this
>group appears to enjoy the sport of hunting down and tearing apart any
>posting that it doesn't like.  Sort of like a pack of jackals . . .

This seems to come up from time to time.  

Are posters to be swayed by what people who don't post think?  Why
don't those who don't post just *post*.  Or maybe create their own
newsgroup; there're enough of them made.

(No doubt they are *REAL*BIG* lurkers).


>They have given up posting (or wisely avoided doing it) because it's 
>obvious to them that the chief posters on soc.motss regard this newsgroup 
>as their private property, and god help anyone who posts something
>contrary to the Accepted Truth (TM).

There could be some truth to this idea ("chief posters"), but, ya
know, even if they do *regard* it as their personal property, it
*isn't* their personal property, and someone else can regard it as
their own personal property.  Happens on Usenet all the time.

I don't post much, but it's not because I'm afraid of the Cabal, I just
don't have time.  The influence the 'chief posters' (I kinda like that
phrase - "Say, chief, what do you think?")  has on my posting is to
provide a standard of excellence.

With some notable exceptions, soc.motss has been unusually worthwhile
this summer, even though marked by tragic loss.


Rick
(unabashed az fan, piqued at being lumped in a group that supports
this nonsense)



Rick Coates
rickc@agora.rain.com
From: jf@threel.co.uk (John Fisher)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GOP: The Next Generation
Date: 28 Aug 92 10:47:30 GMT
Organization: 3L Ltd, 86/92 Causewayside, Edinburgh EH9 1PY, UK


Subject: GOP:  The Next Generation

In article <anon-210892125720@anon.com>,
anon@anon.com (anonymous posting account) writes:

[quoting the N.C. Federation of College Republicans]

> WHEREAS: Homosexuals' lifestyles destroy the moral fabric
> that has made this country the envy of the world. 

The envy of the world?

Just at the moment I can think of exactly *one* *aspect* of
the US that I admire, and that's the courage and humanity of
the homosexuals who live there; things which have been
notably on display in soc.motss in the last ten days. 

Envy?  Don't they know that all round the world people are
gazing in astonishment at the continued inability of your
political system to produce leaders who are even remotely
competent?  The people who fill your great offices of
state wouldn't get jobs as coordinators of street-cleaning
in most other countries.  It's a laughing-stock, or it
would be if we weren't all scared shitless. 

As for moral fabric!  Once everybody in the US has a roof
over their head and reasonable health care, these little
turds can come back and lecture us.  They've got the
largest economy in the world to play with; shouldn't be too
difficult.

In contrast to that, look at the homosexuals.  Tens of
thousands have died, the address-books have emptied, but
they carry on, loving and squabbling, tending the sick and
mourning the dead, but never giving up, never completely
despairing.  That takes something which is truly worthy of
respect, a moral strength which your country would honour if
it weren't in the grip of utter fatuous political mediocrity. 

It's the sheer *impertinence* that gets me.

--John
From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Snaps (no, not *that* kind, Elizabeth)(was Re: new queer terminolog
Date: 27 Aug 92 16:25:40 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:

>: > We're going to bury you.
>: 

>It's also ironic that Mr. "Voting for Reagan makes me superior" Melonhead
>is quoting Nikita Kruschev.  But then, with the obvious ignorance of 
>history Melonhead has so far displayed, I'm sure he thinks he's being 
>both original and clever. 

Why, golly, Katherine - I thought I was quoting _Sting_...


Matthew Melmon
/etc/etc
From: mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Snaps (no, not *that* kind, Elizabeth) (was Re: New queer terminology) (was Re: The media, again)
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:34:10 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <l906lvINN3pa@mizar.usc.edu>, adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
wrote:

> Oh, it's not their grasp of the issues and modalities that I
> question (or question all that much).  It's their grasp of what
> I would argue, pace Nelson, is our shared history and culture.  
> I don't know how to explain this.  It's almost as if they respond 
> to the obvious jokes as if this were a farce, when what they're
> looking at is actually a comedy of manners in which *everything*
> is loaded and funny.

Oh *jesus* *fucking* *christ* you are an aged windbag of an *asshole.*

Our underachievements are many, it is true.  No Flower Children
revolutions.
No wallowing naked in the mud listening to bad rock stars.  No sexual
revolution.  No hippie-yuppie conversions into stock-dealing lizards 
bankrupting the nation on junk bonds and bank scandals.  No gurus preaching
the virtues of LSD and pot and 'shrooms.  

Terribly sad.

But there is one thing we shall accomplish for which subsequent generations
will be eternally grateful, and which that generation previous to yours
only dreams about:

We're going to bury you, asshole.  Deep. 



Matthew Melmon
Apple Computer, Inc.
If my opinions were Apple's, I'd be driving a shiny car 
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Snaps (no, not *that* kind, Elizabeth) (was Re: New queer terminology) (was Re: The media, again)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 19:42:49 GMT


In article <1992Aug26.182206.9045@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

Typo City!

>In article <mcmelmon-200892111620@mcmelmon.apple.com>
>mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:

>>Oh *jesus* *fucking* *christ* you are an aged windbag of an *asshole.*

>You are adressing the wrong parties.  I am aged, X was the
addressing
>windbag, and you are the asshole.

>>We're going to bury you, asshole.  Deep. 

>Yes?  And how will you do that, Dr. Menegele?

Mengele, but I retract the remark, to replace it with:
And how will you do that, Mr. Melmac Republican?

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Beyond GAY and LESBIAN
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 14:14:47 GMT


In article <1992Aug28.134734.29848@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark) writes:

>In article <1992Aug28.132237.2904@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>In article <1992Aug28.114308.3413@nwnexus.WA.COM>
>>elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:

>>>No, I haven't...  but I did have to replace the stuffing in
>>>my pillow several times when I was younger.

>>Grandmama KK, here's another of those *wicked* *wicked* boys!
>>Shall I attend to him?

>No, *PERVERTED* *DIRTY* *WICKEDNESS* of magnitude is difficult
>to expunge alone.  Tie the wicked *BOY* to the bed, while I bring
>for the tools of punishment.

Oh goodie.  I have all the right stuff right here to tie him
to the bed.  I'll just go ahead and do that while we wait
for you to get here, and to pass the time, I'll try various
things to discover what other *EVIL* *WICKEDNESS* he might
know about.  That way, when you get here, we'll know for
sure just how much punishment he needs.

And if you're real busy, Grandmama (I'm sure you are) just
take your time.  I think I can handle this one, and besides,
I *like* the investigative part, preferring to leave the
actual punishment to you, since you have such *good*
equipment.

<> A government that robs Peter to pay Paul
<> can always depend on the support of Paul.
<> -- George Bernard Shaw
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