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From: peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva)
Subject: Re: 386BSD - what a pain to install!
Organization: Xenix Support, FICC
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:46:48 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.035327.4082@fcom.cc.utah.edu> terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C) writes:
> In article <id.X7NT.904@ferranti.com> peter@ferranti.com (peter da silva) writes:
> >> This is generally accomplished (by Xenix, as an
> >> example) by only running code in medium model, where you have unlimited text
> >> (read only) pages per program, but only 64K (1 segment) of data (read/write)
> >> pages.

> >This is not true.

> >We've been running Xenix-286 for years with multiple data and multiple code
> >segments. We're talking applications with megabytes of both.

> Sorry.  Peter is right for SCO Xenix, of course... but then again, that
> won't compile for all 286 Xenix's... the resultant code runs only on SCO.

Sorry yourself.

I'm talking about Microsoft Xenix, which we've been doing this on since
1984 or 1985. It was possible for Microsoft Xenix in 1983, according to
the copyrights on the earliest set of floppies I can find. The final (so
far as I know) release was in 1987, with patches continuing after that.

This release left Microsoft for Intel long before SCO took over.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: alm@netcom.com (Andrew Moore)
Subject: tip ~C command from an xterm window [386BSD/XFree86]?
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 03:40:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

I call into a remote system via the tip command from within an xterm
window.  I initiate a file transfer with tip's ~C command and attempt
to  change to a local xterm - effectively putting the transfer in the
background.  But as soon as the transfer begins, the mouse cursor is
forced to the bottom of the screen until the transfer is terminated,
i.e.,

local$ xterm &
local$ tip remote-sys
[...]
remote$ sz file
~C
Local Command?
rz
[mouse goes to bottom of screen... can't go to other xterm]

Tip connects the standard i/o to the modem port and stderr during the
~C command.  Perhaps writing to stderr is causing the problem?  If so,
why?  In any case, what can be done about it?  How can one initiate
background xfers using tip?  Thanks.
-Andrew Moore <alm@netcom.com>
From: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de (Holger Veit)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: ftpd -l (inetd.conf)
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:58:52 GMT
Organization: Uni-Duisburg FB9 Datenverarbeitung
Reply-To: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de
Keywords: inetd ftpd

In <1992Sep30.110049.897@Urmel.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies) writes:


>I'm running ftpd as an anonymous ftp server on my 386BSD box and although
>ftpd -l is enabled in /etc/inetd.conf I never see any FTP log messages
>in /var/log/messages. Is this a bug of inetd?

>--
>--Chris
>Christoph P. U. Kukulies
>kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de
>*** Error code 1
> 
>Stop.

I haven't looked yet in the special ftpd code of 386bsd, but I encountered
a similiar problem with another one (from reno or so, don't remember exactly).
The problem was that the ftpd uses the syslog call which in turn opened
a named pipe in /dev for outputting messages to the daemon. Unfortunately, 
with an anonymous ftp, the ftpd does a chroot to the public directory, and 
thus can no longer access the original /dev, because it is no longer under
the root. You should inquire about the way log messages are processed by
syslog and ftpd. Inetd is not involved in this business, if the plain
ftp login works.

Holger


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From: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de (Holger Veit)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: Xfree86 New Release-Date ??
Date: 6 Oct 92 10:28:28 GMT
Organization: Uni-Duisburg FB9 Datenverarbeitung
Reply-To: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de

In <BvovqK.885@cosy.sbg.ac.at> peter@wiesel.cosy.sbg.ac.at (Peter Burgstaller) writes:

>Hi folks!
>I wonder if anybody know the official (probably new) release-date
>of Xfree86? I've a bunch of students in my neck who are desperatly 
>waiting for that stuff. (I told em that I won't install any beta-releases
>'cause the official release is on the way)
>So WHEN is the official release?
>--
>/-------------------------------------------------------------------\
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>| (peter@cosy.sbg.ac.at)| in Salzburg, Austria (Europe)		    |
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Which version do you think of? 1.2? 1.1 is just out (October 3rd).

Holger
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: foudil@npac.syr.edu (Kamal Foudil-Bey)
Subject: Re: 386bsd networking -- help needed
Organization: Northeast Parallel Architectures Center at Syracuse University (NPAC)
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 20:48:30 EDT

In article <1992Sep26.082843.10492@pool.info.sunyit.edu> ujlh@pool.info.sunyit.edu (James Henrickson) writes:
>I said:
>>
>>I would like to eventually network two 386bsd systems but first I would
>>like to get one working as a "stand alone" system.  So far, I can't get 
>>rlogin, telnet, or ftp to work.  I get a "Permission denied" message when 
>>trying to connect.  I get a similar message from talk, also.  It is 
>>probably a configuration problem, since I am new to network administration.  
>>I would appreciate it very much if someone could assist me with setting up 
>>the necessary files, since the man pages have only gotten me to this point.
>>
>
>OK, I have narrowed things down somewhat.
>
>I set up an entry in /etc/hosts for localhost and can now connect with
>rlogin, telnet, and ftp.  What do I do now?  I would like to use a regular
>address (such as 0.0.0.1) for my first system, but can't manage to get
>it to work. 
>
>-- 
>Jim H.
>*
>* James L. Henrickson
>* ujlh@sunyit.edu        "Some day I might have a real .signature!"
From: afong@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Krell Kraver)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: shutdown (The other one) source
Keywords: shutdown
Date: 1 Oct 92 16:17:12 GMT
Reply-To: bonner@age.com
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Okay, well I guess that answers why shutdown -todos doesn't
work for me, now does anyone know where the source for it
is?  Surely it can be made to work with bigger FAT's, or
does somebody know otherwise?

Matt

If you mail, please reply to: bonner@age.com
From: spedpr@thor.cf.ac.uk (Paul Richards)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Extracting src01
Date: 6 Oct 92 19:30:33 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College at Cardiff
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

I've just installed 386bsd on a new machine and I'm having problems with
the srcdist.

It's extracted everything except the last file src01.61. Extract then
aborts with a too many open files error. Any idea what's happening.

Where can I get the extract program from? I rebooted the machine to try
and clear up the problem and it got deleted. (I forgot about that
happenening, I'm gonna have to download all the src files again now :-))


-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C)
Subject: Re: Moving ethernet card from IRQ2 to IRQ5 in 386BSD
Keywords: Ethernet card, IRQ, 386BSD 
Organization: Weber State University  (Ogden, UT)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 05:28:07 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.162506.18691@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> u8011841@cc.nctu.edu.tw () writes:
>   In the FAQ of 386bsd 0.1 question list 2.29, Terry mentioned that to
>get rid of "startart" characters on the console people have reported that
>moving the ethernet card to another IRQ also seems to solve the problem.
>
>   My quesion is: When I moved the NE2000 ethernet card from IRQ 2 to IRQ 5,
>the kernel can still detect the presence of the card but report
>
>   ne0 ethernet address 00:.... at 0x300 irq 9 on isa 
>                                         ^^^^^
>   Therefore after execute the ifconfig and route command, the ftp can not
>work.
>
>   In fact, the FAQ mentioned that "Ken Raeburn report that simply rebuilding
>the kernel from supplied sources will get rid of it".  But we prefered our
>486 work for DOS & 386BSD.  And IRQ set to 2 will halt the computer when run
>the clarkson packet driver.  It seems that VGA adapter use IRQ 2 too.
>
>   So, How do I tell the kernel that the ethernet card had been moved from
>the default IRQ 2 to IRQ 5? Can somebody kindly to give me some help?

Modify the line:

device ne0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 2 vector neintr
				      ^
				      |
				      HERE!!!!!

in /usr/src/sys.386bsd/i386/conf/GENERICISA, re "config" and rebuild the
kernel.  Sorry it's not easier.


					Terry Lambert
					terry@icarus.weber.edu
					terry_lambert@novell.com
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From: alm@netcom.com (Andrew Moore)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Wrinkled Xman pages [XFree86/386BSD]?
Date: 30 Sep 92 12:14:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Is it "normal" for Xman pages to get wrinkled while scrolling, i.e., an
occassional line overlaps?  This is running twm under  386BSD/XFree86
with a Diamond SpeedStar 24 card.
-Andrew Moore <alm@netcom.com>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: greg@coombs.anu.edu.au (Greg Price)
Subject: Re: DDJ June+July '92
Organization: Computer Services Centre, Australian National University
Date:  6 Oct 92 07:29:12 GMT

colin@cs.curtin.edu.au (Colin Manning) writes:

>Hi,
>	Has anyone in Western Australia (or for that matter Australia) seen
>June or July's copy of DDJ?  Our library has August and Sept, and up to May,
>but no June or July.  Neither have been in the newsagents either as far as I
>know.  Is there any 386BSD stuff in them?

Hi, I'm in Canberra and I have June and July '92. July showed up at the
newsagent about a week ago. June has "The missing pieces Part II" and July
has "The final step". Although July looks to be the last article in the
series, I have seen Lynne post that there is more stuff scheduled for
editions around the end of this year/start of next.

I would say your library has an airmail subscription, or get them from a
place like McGills, etc (in Melbourne) who have a pile of the surface mail
($6.95) editions (3 months old), and now and them have a few airmailed out,
but they charge more for them. Good luck with getting them.

Greg
(greg@coombs.anu.edu.au)

Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: rivers@ponds.uucp (Thomas David Rivers)
Subject: [386BSD] stdio (fflush and "a+") problems / fix.
Keywords: stdio fflush append
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 03:37:42 GMT


I've discovered the following discrepency in the stdio library w/
regards to opening a stream using  fopen("file","a+")  and later
calling fflush() on that stream.

[I found this because my Cnews got warnings about closing the news
 history file.  Everything else is running fine...]

The fopen() call resets the flags to __SRW because of the '+' in
the mode string.  

Later on, fflush() checks to ensure that the stream being flushed
is actually writable.  To do this, it looks for the __SWR value
in the flags, and *not* __SRW.  There is a comment in stdio.h that
implies that __SWR and __SRW will never be set at the same time.

A correction is to change the test  at line 51 of fflush.c from :

	if ((fp->_flags & __SWR) == 0) {

to

	if ((fp->_flags & (__SWR | __SRW)) == 0 ) {


Since either __SWR or __SRW are sufficient for a file to be "writable."


	- Dave Rivers -
From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: Installing 386bsd
Keywords: install boot 386bsd
Date: 5 Oct 92 16:05:10 GMT
Organization: Weber State University  (Ogden, UT)

In article <Bvn4H4.5Fz@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> prkoch@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Peter Koch) writes:
>now my Problem:
>===============
>
>the system-kernel is found (Message: 386BSD ...) but then appears
>the message
>
>	wd0: no disk label
>	can't mount wd0a as root
>
>and then the system reboots.
>
>then i've booted from the fixit.fs and tried to "mount /dev/wd0a /mnt"
>but the 'no disk-label' message has also been shown.
>
>When running 'install' again and break (CNTRL-C) at the reboot-message,
>the "mount /dev/wd0a /mnt" works and i can see, that the system is
>installed in the partition.
>
>my technical datas
>------------------
>
>	386 25MHz
>	AMI-BIOS
>	8 MB RAM
>	1.2 MB and 1.44 MB floppys
>	205 MB Seagate AT-Bus disk
>	- 33MB DOS 3.3 - System Partition
>	- 70MB DOS 3.3 - Extended Partition

The DOS partition should follow the 386BSD partition on the disk; the
386BSD partition has to be first.

The use of a 33Meg primary DOS partition is good; it means that the
"shutdown -todos" will work for you.

You didn't say if you are using IDE; if you were, select drive type 45
in the CMOS setup and enter in the actual number of heads/cylinders/etc.;
this may mean that you can't use all your drive, since DOS is dumb about
greater than 1024 cylinders.

Alternately, you can use the whole disk for 386bsd, in install sufficiently
to rebuild asboot and disklabel, and move the 386BSD partition to later
on the disk.  This will take a lot of work; installing 386BSD *and* DOS
on the same IDE drive is difficult.

					Terry Lambert
					terry@icarus.weber.edu
					terry_lambert@novell.com
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: rcb@ncsu.edu (Randy Buckland)
Subject: [386BSD] How to create 386BSD partition?
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 13:11:18 GMT

I have added the 2 drive patch to my 386BSD system and want to put a 
386BSD partition on part of the second drive. How do I create the
partition?
--
Randy Buckland                               "It's hard to work
North Carolina State University               in a group when you're
randy_buckland@ncsu.edu (919) 515-5491        omnipotent"       -- Q
From: ganter@milton.u.washington.edu (M. Ganter)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Cross booting BSD <-> DOS
Summary: Cross booting BSD <-> DOS
Keywords: Cross Booting,Partition Tables,DOS,BSD
Date: 29 Sep 92 19:15:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: milton.ganter.717794149
Organization: University of Washington

I have BSD running on my 486DX-33.  I am impressed!  Thanks to all
for more than a job well done.  I have my 200 MB partitioned with
80 MB for DOS and 120 MB for BSD.  I've read 386BSD.FAQ and BUGLIST
so I understand that shutdown -todos does not work.  Currently, I've
been using the boot off floppy technique (then FDISK to change active
partitions).  Question: IS there a utility available which provides
partition selection at boot time?  Do I have to re-install everything
both DOS and BSD to use such a tool?    ...Mark

Mark Ganter/Univ of Washington/Dept of Mech Engr/FU-10/Seattle, WA 98195 USA
ganter@u.washington.edu
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: robinson@crash.cts.com (Alan Robinson)
Subject: BEST UNIX for a 486-d2 system
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Distribution: na
Date: 30 Sep 92 11:52:30 PDT


FOR EVERYONE,

	Where can i get 386 BSD by BSDI?


	I am looking for reliable BSD Unix for a 486-d2 system.

SCO is popular, and stable; but not BSD.  Is GNU BSD?, is it well

supported?; what other choices are there?  

	What about a communications program under Unix?

What should I make sure I have to have a complete system?

		alan
From: venkat@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Venkat)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: XFree86 gives me a blank screen ! [SOLVED]
Keywords: X Xfree86 install
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:15:46 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

venkat@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Venkat Swaminathan) writes:

>Hi folks,

>I downloaded the XFree86 binaries from agate:/pub/incoming/X386 and have been
>[unsuccessfully] trying to install XFree86. After I type 'sh startx' or 
>'xinit' there is a 3-4 second pause and then the message "Waiting for X
>server to begin accepting connections" followed by a number of periods - two
>to a line. After a minute or two the screen just blanks and nothing short of a
>reboot will get the screen back. The keyboard is apparently working because
>of the disk activity pattern when I type a command etc.  I have spent hours
>on trying out different values in the Xconfig file to no avail. I am using the
>kernel binary from agate:/pub/incoming/X386/386bsd.kernel... whatever.

>DETAILS:
>	386/25 MHz machine with 4MB RAM/125MB HD; Diamond Speedstar VGA video
>	card with 1MB video RAM; MAG PMV 1448 monitor; Microsoft compatible
>	mouse on com1.

>Any help will be appreciated either by email or USENET. Thanks !

	I ran xdm and upon checking the xdm-errors file saw error messages
	of the out-of-memory type. Apparently I had not bothered to check
	that the resolutions that I was setting in the Xconfig file would
	fit in the available memory !

	NOTE: Of the different resolutions that I had entered in the Xconfig
	file, only *one* required more memory than that availlable and yet
	*none* of the resolutions would work - would it be possible [in the
	next version, maybe] that XFree86 display atleast the possible
	resolutions rather than come crashing down for one teeny weeny fault
	:-)

	Thanks for all the responses anyway.

	Venkat

>Venkat
From: dinesh@pyramid.COM (Dinesh Jalisatgi)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: /usr/X386/lib/X11/xinit/"files" not there in new X386.
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:38:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California
NNTP-Posting-Host: shadow.eng.pyramid.com


 Hi,

 As the subject line says there seems to be /usr/X386/lib/X11/xinit directory missing from the

 the new release. Wouuld some kind soul mail me the xinitrc and other files so I can 

 successfully  start startx.

 Thanks.

  Dinesh.
From: rcskb@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Kendall Bennett)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: 386BSD's non-standard C library
Date: 27 Sep 92 03:51:03 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au

wutcd@chemnitz.guug.de (Joerg Wunsch) writes:

>Oops, Kendall is quiet right with his remarks. Of course, the existing
>versions of tolower()/toupper() aren't right. The macros may be omitted,
>(does ANSI really state there must be _macros_ for this???), but the

Not directly when it talks about <ctype.h>, but in section 7.1.7 when it 
talks about 'Use of Library functions':

    Any function declared in a header may be additionally implemented
    as a macro defined in the header ... The user of #undef to 
    remove any macro definition will also ensure that that an actual
    function is referred to.

So no, it doesn't say that you should do this with macros, but if you
do you _must_ provided a functional equivalent (so you can take the
address of it), and the header file _must_ declare this function. I 
dont remember seeing the function definitions in the header file...

>If i have half an hour left, i'll post the diff's - all the other people
>surely will make this themself.

Actually, there is a patch in Terry Lambert's patchkit Alpha-3 that fixes
this...

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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: ae007@yfn.ysu.edu (Daniel Newcombe)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Question about the OS running progs???
Date: 4 Oct 92 17:44:20 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net


As I don't have room on my hard drive to download the source to
the system, I'll ask this here in hopes of an answer  :)

If gcc compiles to straight 80x86 code, then how does the OS
handle running multiple programs?  I guess what I really want
to know is how the OS knows that after X amount of instructions
have been run, it is time to give control to another process for
X amount of instructions?  I guess what has sparked this interest
is my Operating Systems class, but our project in there is all
simulated so it's easy, but I can't for the life of me think how
to break in and out of things here.
    Thanks,
      -Dan
-- 
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GOAL: To put the world on 3.5" diskettes...  :)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C)
Subject: Re: 386BSD - what a pain to install!
Organization: Weber State University  (Ogden, UT)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 09:17:49 GMT

In article <1992Sep27.020909.2692@cs.unca.edu> snodgras@cs.unca.edu (Ryan Snodgrass) writes:
>Also is it possible to have both DOS and BSD on the system?  Thanks.  Oh and
>one other quick question.  I know it is 386BSD, but is it possible to put it
>on a 286?

You can store it on any computer!  8-).

Seriously: No.  A 286 is not capable of a lot of the modern memory management
required byt a BSD UNIX.  The last version of a UNIX that would run on a 286
with little effort is SVR3.2.  You had to rewrite the code dealing with the
two memory operations which could fail abnormally (ie: requiring a hardware
trap mechanism or MMU); these were a segementation violation (which you treat
as a segmentation violation, and a stack grow, which you anticipated using
"stack probes".

The memory protection on a 286 is rather primitive as well, and it's difficult
to limit address spaces.  This is generally accomplished (by Xenix, as an
example) by only running code in medium model, where you have unlimited text
(read only) pages per program, but only 64K (1 segment) of data (read/write)
pages.

Of course, anyone who wants to is welcome to retrofit the kernel and the
compiler to make this work for 386BSD.


					Terry Lambert
					terry_lambert@npd.novell.com
					terry@icarus.weber.edu
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