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From: traite@fellini.harvard.edu (Shirley Traite)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Summary/followup re: Balding 2 yo
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:24:24 GMT
Organization: Statistical & Data Analysis Center, Harvard University

Thanks to all who emailed/posted re: possible reasons for Rebecca's
hair loss. (Unfortunately it still seems to be occuring.)

My original post said:

>Lately I've noticed that my almost 2 year old daughter
>Rebecca has a fairly large bald spot on the back of her head. 
>As far as I know she's not pulling her hair. Her scalp looks
>healthy and  she seems healthy otherwise.  Does anyone have any experience 
>with this?

Reasons suggested were:  

1. sleeping on back (This seems to be more likely with infants rather 
   than toddlers)
 
2. ring worm on the scalp.  (easily cured)

3. Alopecia Areata.  This is an auto-immune disorder that occurs suddenly
    and may or may not reoccur. (There is no treatment. This goes away
    by itself)

4. Twiddling with the hair while sleeping (This was suggested by our
daycare provider.)

What the pediatrician told us at Rebecca's 2 yr check-up:
  
She wasn't able to give a definate answer as to what was causing the
hair loss.   While in some sections hair is growing back in other
(much smaller) sections there is no regrowth.  The bulk of the
baldness  DOES appear to be in the area of the head easily prone to
being "twiddled" with.  (It's on one side in the back near the top of 
Rebecca's head)  Basically, the doctor suggested we wait, watch and
call  her in 2 months.  If it does appear that Rebecca is indeed
twiddling   her hair while sleeping, then it would help to get her a 
very short haircut.  The doctor and nurse assured us that this was not
 the first balding two year old they've seen.     

What we are doing:

We are still undecided whether to cut Rebecca's hair. (While I
admire a certain Irish rock singer, I am not all that thrilled with
her  hair style :) :) )  I've been trying to sleuth out WHERE the hair
is going when it falls out.  I am also checking on Rebecca more often
while she is sleeping to see where her hands are and the position
of her head.  So far, no clues.   SOOOO It seems to be one of those
wait and see things.  On the positive side, Rebecca is healthy and
certainly seems happy. 

Thanks to all who wrote.

___
Shirley Traite (traite@sdac.harvard.edu) |I only speak for myself.
Statistical Programmer                   |
SDAC/Biostatistics Dept.                 |
Harvard Sch. of Public Health            |

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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: crobshaw@rd.hydro.on.ca (Catharine Robshaw)
Subject: My Son Won't Stand Up
Organization: "Ontario Hydro - Research Division"
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:36:58 GMT


Well the subject line says it all.  He is 14 months.  By the way, I
just posted about his lack-of-eating habits over the past month, and
it seems to be normal for around this time.  Thanks for all the responses.

Anyway, he only started crawling two weeks before his 1st birthday.
But he does not stand up, he does not even like to put weight on his
legs when someone holds him.  Does anyone think this is a problem?
I am going through the process of getting a referral to a pediatrician
but thought I'd get some feedback from all you wise parents.  My mom
thinks he would do better if I put some sturdy shoes on him, but I read
that babies do better when left in bare feet (socks) to strengthen their
feet.  Is this right?

He does get up on his knees leaning against things.  Is this progress
normal?
_ _ _

I also asked a few days ago about how he hates getting his hair washed
in the tub.  It seems to be a common problem also.  I think I will try 
and get in with him and lean him on my leg as suggested.  Hope it works.
_ _ _

That's it for now.  Please post or e-mail, I read this newsgroup regularly.
Thanks in advance.

Catharine
crobshaw@rd.hydro.on.ca
From: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM (Judy E. Drake)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby food recipe, help!!!
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:47:23 GMT
Reply-To: judyd@rosebud.CNA.TEK.COM
Organization: Tektronix, Inc. - Redmond, OR

In article <TIGGER.92Dec12220442@satyr.Sylvan.COM>, tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan) writes:
|> 
|> Ha ha. Each kid is different. Katherine always self fed - and we'd
|> feed her tiny chunks of cut up food. 
|> 
|> There are three reasons why I've been feeding Robin mush. 
|> started sleeping more. His fine motor coordination has been slower to
|> come around than his sister's - he was about 8 months old before he
|> got good at picking up a Cheerio, 

I've noticed this phenomenon also.  My son, Jordan, ate baby food forever, 
because he was quite the voracious eater, and just didn't have the motor 
coordination to be able to feed himself efficiently.  He was happy to 
have me feed him, maybe because he realized he could eat more faster
that way!

My daughter, Austin, on the other hand, surprised me the first time
I gave her Cheerios (at about five-six months) by picking them up with a
perfectly developed pincer grip.  I couldn't figure out how she had
developed it, since it was the first time I'd allowed her to have
anything that small.  Austin has always been a self-feeder and has
not wanted much to do with baby food.

So maybe a preference self-feeding does have something to do with fine 
motor skills.  I've also read that girls tend to develop these skills faster 
than boys, which has been borne out in my kids.

Judy Drake
From: tigger@satyr.Sylvan.COM (Grace Sylvan)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Baby food recipe, help!!!
Date: 19 Dec 92 05:00:14 GMT
	<TIGGER.92Dec12220442@satyr.Sylvan.COM>
	<1giav9INNl27@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
Organization: Sylvan Associates

In article <1giav9INNl27@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch) writes:

   By the way, I hope you're properly grateful for Robin's late teething. 
   Will's new upper teeth are making me miserable, even though he's not 
   biting. I keep telling myself that women *do* manage to keep on breast-
   feeding after the upper teeth come in, but the last couple of days have 
   made me wonder how. Surely it will only get worse as the teeth get longer--
   they're barely through the gum as it is.

Well, Robin just sprouted two teeth!  His bottom two front. (His sister
got hers at 9 months exactly).

I don't know how I got used to teeth, but I did - since Katherine had
a *full* set by the time we stopped nursing. Robin isn't biting, but
I'm noticing the jagged things in his mouth, too...
-- 

Tigger (Grace Sylvan)                Mom of Katherine Yelena, 8/8/89,
tigger@satyr.sylvan.com              Corey 1/31/91; we loved him so,
                                     Robin Gregory born 2/28/92

 "It seems to me that our large goal is to find the ways to help our
 children become humane and strong."
 
              - Dr Haim Ginott quoted by Adele Faber & Elaine Mazlish
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: phvinson@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Pauline Homsi Vinson)
Subject: Re: Does A Baby Make You Act like Your Mom?
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 14:34:54 EST

>In article <1992Dec8.220836.11088@ohsu.edu> krages@ohsu.edu writes:
>Maybe this has been discussed on the net before, but I'm wondering if women,
>once they are pregnant and have children, think they act more like their own
>mothers than they did before.  I am 35 weeks pregnant and more and more I 
>find myself saying things or acting certain ways that are like my own mother. 
>My husband thinks I am acting more like her too.

There's a book that deals with this topic that you might be interested in.
It's called _Motherhood as Metamorphosis: Change and Continuity in the Life
of a New Mother_ by Joyce Block (Plume Books, 1990).

Pauline
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Ear Infections - Update
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:33:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.160209.7545@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> sgauch@ccs.northeastern.edu (Susan Gauch) writes:
>Well, after posting my "anti-antibiotic" postings on ear infections, guess
>whose baby is on amoycillan???  The "woofing principle" from
>rec.sports.* seems to apply to misc.kids too!
>
>Brian had the flu, then a cold for 2 weeks.  Finally, on Wed he got
>fussy (he was a happy camper although very stuffy.  Brian is so
>amazing - what other baby _laughs_ when he gets his nose
>suctioned?_) and slept far too much during the day.  Took him to

Well, Melinda gives me her big toothless grin when I suction
out her nose -- particularly when I'm successful.  She doesn't
actually laugh (or cry) a whole lot.

>the doctor in the evening and sure enough one ear was badly infected,
>the other was okay.  Figuring that I'd given his immune system 2 weeks
>and it seemed to be losing the battle, we put the baby on antibiotics.
>I'm not convinced that they'll help, but like many parents I feel better
>believing that I've done all I can to help him get better.
>
>This should reassure those who sent me e-mail convinced that I was
>advocating not treating obviously dying children :-) :-)
>-- 
>Susan Gauch
>sgauch@flora.ccs.northeastern.edu

Poor Melinda has had 4 ear infections in her 6 months (bad enough
to make her fuss -- which is *real* unusual for her).  At her
6 months check up the dr. found some scarring on one ear drum.
Sigh.  The dr. said the scarring will probably reverse itself
but we are on a preventative antibiotic now.

I do notice that my pediatric group has changed their policies
on ear infections.  They don't have follow up visits to see
if the ear is clear any more.  When I asked, the dr. said that
their were now very convincing studies that showed treating
asymptomatic ear infections wasn't helpful.  So, Susan, you 
really are representing a change in pediatric treatment.

Elise.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: elise@ticipa.pac.sc.ti.com (Elise Wade)
Subject: Re: Kid not eating good food - only JUNK!!
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 19:40:16 GMT

Well you can try the REALLY HEALTHY FOODS ONLY approach.  It may
work.  You and your kid may like the PURE NATURAL WHOLE GRAINS 
etc, etc, etc,

But,frankly, not only does this sound like a lot of work, but
the approach may backfire.  Just reading Tigger's post made me 
go get a chocolate bar & cup of coffee.  (Whew)  And, I assume
the original posters child is eating junk food because its
what the parents *like* -- just in moderation.

I think trying to impose the "mean green" diet on a bunch of
junk food lovers is doomed to failure.  Where you may have
to remove some of the worse junky foods from the house to
get the kid to eat better in the short run.  In the long run,
probably the only hope is to slowly *add* a variety of foods
to the diet.  An easy thing to do is start with a fresh fruit
snack and add a tossed salad (or cut fresh veggies) to dinner.

But most of all, you cannot make eating a battle field.  AS a parent
you can provide an interesting variety of good foods.  But its
the child's responsibility to eat.

Elise.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa)
Subject: Irregular periods after miscarriage
Originator: cew@pelham
Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:41:53 GMT

I had a miscarriage at 7 weeks in September.  My two subsequent
periods were a little longer than usual.  I thot my period
had started on Friday, but I only had one episode of dark
brown staining.  I did a pregnancy test this morning,  which
was negative.  I have been having really uncomfortable cramps.
I am now just hanging out waiting for  period to start.  Has
anyone else notice a change in their periods after a miscarriage?
And if so, how long before they went back to normal.  I have
always been fairly regular.  I can't wait to get pregnant, and
then start having periods again.  I am going to enjoy each one,
I hate waiting each month and then being disappointed!!!!!
As always, thanks for the net wisdom and support.

Cathryn Chiesa
cew@med.unc.edu
12/14/92


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From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 23:18:44 GMT

In <1gfr6kINN9ti@network.ucsd.edu> dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin) writes:

>Sorry, but you've got that backwards--there is a higher incidence
>of cervical cancer among women with UNcircumcised male partners.
>There are numerous sources for this information.  Here's a quote
>from _Taking Care of Your Child:  A Parent's Guide to Medical Care_
>by Pantell, Fries and Vickery.  "Cancer of the penis has been said
>to be more common in uncircumcised males and cancer of the cervix
>more common in the sexual partners of uncircumcised males.  If
>engaging in unprotected sexual intercourse, uncircumcised males are
>more likely to acquire infection."  Of course, there are plenty of
>good arguments against circumcision, but lower incidences of cervical 
>cancer in female partners is *NOT* one of them.  


Well, I'm sorry.. or make that happy to tell you,you both have it wrong.

The old Pro-circumcision chestnut that women get cervical cancer from
an intact man is apparently still alive and well. I've even heard
some MDs who don't read medical journals say it. It is ofcourse a
subtle push for women to avoid uncut men and get their sons cut.

Now, according to the latest thinking both cervical cancer and penile
cancer donot just arise from a vaccuum;they are caused by a virus which
is transmitted through unsafe sex. The study (a very old one) which
purported to find a connection between circumcision and cervical
cancer compared Jewish women with non-Jewish women. It is now
clear with the sexual revolution taking place even among Jews that
early intercourse and multiple sexual partners predispose a women and
preumable men too to cervical and penal cancer, repectively.
The rate of cervical cancer in Israel is now the same as anywhere else.
The old study failed to take account that Jewish women at the time of
the study had few sexual partners.

Now, I just talked with our health office on campus and the MD director
told me that the virus which is thought to cause cancer is also found
in circumcised college men. To find the virus a somewhat painful
probe needed to be inserted into the urethral opening.

Please don't spread old tales that circumcision reduces cervical
cancer... the statement is bigoted and just plain not true.

Only safe sex reduces the rate of all STD and yes,we could compare
cervical cancer with a delayed STD.

In my opinion circumcision is both cruel and entirely unneeded.
In fact Ben Spock does not recommend it nor Dr. Dean Edell.
These MDS are some of the most well known in the culture.
>-- 
--
                       Gary E. Davis /WQ1F/
              Dpt. Electrical Engineering and Com Sciences
              University of Vermont @ Burlington
From: biddleco@mizar.usc.edu (Susan Biddlecomb)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Change in Eating Habits
Date: 11 Dec 1992 17:12:16 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Dec11.180514.23786@rd.hydro.on.ca> crobshaw@rd.hydro.on.ca (Catharine Robshaw) writes:
>
>My son is 14 months old.  Lately, about the last month or so, he has 

(stuff deleted about eating problems -- we had those too and no good solution)
>
>My next problem is bathtime.  He hates getting his hair washed.  I used to
>be able to lay him back in the tub and rinse his hair that way.  Lately he
>has become hysterical when I try to lay him down, he also gets hysterical
>if I just dump the water on his head sitting up.  He doesn't know enough to
>tilt his head back.  Any suggestions there?
>

Does your son have much hair? We found that Angelica didn't mind hairwashing
so much if she could participate in the process. She came up with this 
herself, while I poured water over her hair and massaged it, she would hold a little cup under her bangs (head tilted forward so the water dripped straight
down off the bangs) and watch the water drip into the cup. She still likes
to do this, and it made things a lot easier. I got the feeling that she wanted
some control over the process, and that was enough for her to feel like it
wasn't just something being done to her.

Hope this helps. We seldom got soap in her eyes, by the way. Only a few times
usually when I was in a hurry and careless.

Susan
From: vnoronha@mipos3.intel.com (Valerie Noronha)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Pacifier Usage
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:42:05 GMT
Reply-To: vnoronha@mipos3.intel.com (Valerie Noronha)
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA


Thanks to everyone for their responses to my questions on pacifier usage.  It
was interesting to note that many of the respondents felt as I did prior to
having their first child, but ended up giving a pacifier for comfort when
nothing else seemed to work.  I hadn't realized there were so many differences
in pacifiers and that a baby might definitely prefer a certain kind.  What I
plan to do is buy a few different types (one poster recommended Nuks or Purrs
for breastfed babies) and see what the baby prefers (pacifier or no pacifier).

Valerie Noronha
due 3-10-93
From: vnoronha@mipos3.intel.com (Valerie Noronha)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Do dcotors still spank newborns?
Date: 14 Dec 92 20:56:33 GMT
Reply-To: vnoronha@mipos3.intel.com (Valerie Noronha)
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA USA

My girlfriend and I were talking a few days ago and she asked if I had a
preference as to whether or not I wanted my baby spanked after birth.  I
had just assumed that doctors are no longer performing this practice as
no one seems to comment on it.  Is this an outdated practice or do doctors
still do this?  If so, is it really necessary?

Valerie Noronha
due 3-10-93
From: kassover@rumsey.crd.ge.com (David Kassover)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:10:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: nope

In article <1992Dec17.142721.9611@nynexst.com> clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
>  I agree.  People can all have opinions.  Only I feel that parents
>  should have to watch their children get circumcision.  Apparently
>  people who do it for religious reasons do watch and are comfortable
>  with it.

  Should I ever have a grandson, most likely I'll end up
  *holding* him.

  For that matter, should I ever have a son, unless it's
  extraordinarily convenient for my grandfather to hold him, it
  will be me who holds him.

  But I'm not sure I would watch the act, itself.  OTOH, by that
  time, some idjit relative will have the video gear  8-)

  I've been at four circumcisions, counting the time I was the
  guest of honor, as it were.  I don't recall too many people
  watching.  Certainly, I didn't.


-- 
David Kassover             "Proper technique helps protect you against
uupsi!khazad!kassover	          sharp weapons and dull judges."
kassover@aule-tek.com                   F. Collins
kassover@ra.crd.ge.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids,soc.men,alt.atheism,alt.sex.wizards
From: colinm@max.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen)
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 16:29:59 GMT

In <1992Dec19.172939.18506@newstand.syr.edu> kgatling@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Keith E Gatling) writes:

>In article <1glhqeINNi59@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> potts@oit.itd.umich.edu
>(Paul Potts) writes:

>   > What they really mean is that Daddy doesn't want to admit to
>   > himself that he is the one who is "different" by virtue of
>   > genital mutilation...  and is willing to inflict the same
>   > treatment on son to justify it.

>Let's try this one more time...I *don't* consider myself to have been
>mutilated, and I'm actually *glad* that I *am* circumcised.  I'm also glad
>that it was done so early in my life that I have no memory of it, and as a
>result, intend to do the same if our child is a boy.

>So now...what do you have to say to a person who intends to have his kid
>circumcised because he looks at his circumcision as *an advantage*?
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^
An advantage over what?????

-- 
Colin McFadyen -- Carleton U. Computing and Communications Services
Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA K1S 5B6                  
colinm@ccs.carleton.ca

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: staffan@bun.serum.kodak.com (Kenneth Staffan (x37507))
Subject: A Little Survey
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:19:32 GMT

The recent revival of the circumcision discussion (argument?) has 
raised a few questions in my mind.  I'd like to get more of a profile
of what the average misc.kids reader is thinking.  The following, is
_not_ a scientific study.  If you're interested in participating, please
e-mail directly to me (don't trust any address in the header, try the
one listed below).  I will post a summary of the results, without any
names attached.

	o  Do you feel that you are reasonably informed on the
	   circumcision issue (i.e. recognize the controversy, and
	   have heard arguments on both sides)?

	o  If you have had a son in the last four years, did you 
	   have him circumcised?

		o  Did the doctor/pediatrician discuss the 
		   circumcision issue with you, just ask if you
		   wanted it done, or not ask at all?

	o  If you had a son greater than four years ago, did you
	   have him circumcised?

		o  Did the doctor/pediatrician discuss the 
		   circumcision issue with you, just ask if you
		   wanted it done, or not ask at all?

	o  If you were to have a son in the near future, would you
	   have him circumcised?

	o  Are you male or female?

	o  If male, were you circumcised as a child?  If female,
	   is your SO and/or father of the child circumcised?

	o  What is your current position on circumcision (pro,
	   anti, parent's choice)?

Thanks!  Hopefully enough people will respond to make for an
interesting summary.

Ken
---
staffan@serum.kodak.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd)
Subject: Re: I don't want to be scrooge (long)
Organization: Center for High Performance Computing, Univ. of Texas System
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:08:55 GMT

In article <00724381196@elgamy.jpunix.com>, elg@elgamy.jpunix.com (Eric Lee Green) writes:
|> From article <1992Dec11.161306.5020@cs.brown.edu>, by mhn@cs.brown.edu (Marian H. Nodine):
|> > during the holiday week.  Also, not to make extreme decisions based on
|> > your own frustration with being manipulated by your mother-in-law, and
|> > to be sure that you approach any difficult discussions with her with
|> > the *full* support of your husband (who probably is being manipulated
|> > by her as well).  Otherwise, you probably will get nowhere.
|> 
|> I'd also recommend assertiveness training for all of the adults involved
|> (except the matriarch, of course :-).
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Oh, SHE needs assertiveness training also;  she just needs to learn how to
be LESS assertive - and more accomodating :-).

Jan
Newsgroups: misc.kids