HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sthiagar@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (sivasailam thiagarajan)
Subject: Physical Color Viewer Available
Keywords: Palette Manager Screen Utility 
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 18:36:46 GMT

I just uploaded PHYSCOLO, a PM utility for displaying the physical
colors on your screen, to Hobbes. This program can be very useful (or
even "fun," as one tester described it :-) if you're running a program
under PM that changes the physical palette. (An example of such a
program would be WinGIF run seamlessly in 256-color mode). You could
even use the program to test whether Palette Manager is enabled for
your screen display; see the documentation for details.

Look for physcolo.zip in the pub/uploads directory of
ftp-os2.nmsu.edu. The file includes the executable, documentation, and
full source code (which may be instructive for my fellow Palette
Manager hackers :-), and a few *.CMD files for easy compilation under
C Set/2 or Watcom C 386 9.0+.  If you have any comments or suggestions
(beyond flaming me for cross-posting this message :-), please contact
me at the address below.

Raja Thiagarajan
(sthiagar@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel)
Subject: os2 zip not compatible with Sun unzip
Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 23:54:06 GMT

I've started using Sun Unix zip for downloads to my os2 system
successfully for a couple of months. Today I tried using the os2 zip
command and then uploading the file to the Sun where I tried to unzip.
The Sun unzip program reports an unknown compression method has been
used on the zip file. Does anyone know why this happens? Thanks.
-- 
Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
 
If convicted felons can't own firearms, then why in Hell
do we let GE make nuclear weapons?
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc
From: fredw@mks.com (Fred Walter)
Subject: Re: UUPC for OS/2 2.0
Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:57:23 GMT

srcsip!tcscs!zeta writes:
>Is there a newer version of UUPC for OS/2?  And has it been enhanced,
>or whatever, for OS/2 2.0??

uupc11w is available on sun.soe.clarkson.edu, under directory pub/uupc, and
uupc11x is supposed to be available soon.

It works nicely. I use it, along with that buggy trn beta port (why didn't
that trn person upload his sources as well so people could fix all those
bugs in it ?) but 11x is supposed to include an rn of sorts so when 11x comes
out I'll probably switch to its newsreader.

	fred
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: gac2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Geoffrey A. Coulter)
Subject: Re: TE/2 won't receive zmodem?
Reply-To: gac2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 23:14:54 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.233512.15372@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU> jurlwin@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Jeff Urlwin) writes:
>In article <vpsoc.721298632@manning> vpsoc@cs.UAlberta.CA (Rob Eitzen) writes:
>>I'm trying to get TE/2 to work, even though it has a shitty interface...
>>When I try to receive a file with zmodem, it gets the first 1K, then I
>>get a 'NO RESPONSE' error and it dies.  Any suggestions?
>>Thanks.
>
>What are you using on the other end?
>
>Jeff
>
>-- 
>--------------------------------------
>jurlwin@gandalf.umcs.maine.edu

I have had similar problems, and it has been what was on "the other
end."  In my experience, TE/2 doesn't deal well with old
implementations of zmodem, but it seems to handle stuff that is only
two or so years old fine.

Geoffrey Coulter
gac2@ellis.uchicago.edu
From: jyang@cco.caltech.edu (Chih Meng Yang)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: gsos2pm11
Date: 9 Nov 1992 04:12:34 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu

I have uploaded gsos2pm11.zoo to hobbes (ftp-os2.nmsu.edu).  The new features 
of 1.1 are:

1.  Fixes the bug that sometimes causes the command window to hang after
    you exit GS, and introduces a new 'feature' - NOW YOU MUST PRESS
   'RETURN' AFTER GS EXITS TO GET THE COMMAND PROMPT BACK.  As of this
    writing, I am unable to get rid of this 'feature'.
2.  Makes updating of the drawing window smoother.
3.  Adds dfaxhigh and dfaxlow device driver.

This will probably be the last version of gsos2pm that I will distribute.
 
Jim Yang
jyang@daedalus.caltech.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: mok@pa.dec.com (Charles Mok)
Subject: Source of Freeware for OS/2 2.0
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 00:48:52 GMT

Can someone point me to a good source for freeware for OS/2 2.0?

Thanks in advance!

Charles
 
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: sdrumm@mcs213g.cs.umr.edu (Scott Drumm)
Subject: Service Pack Bugs?  
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:15:10 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla

I've been running the Service & Performance Pack (32-Bit GRE & bug fixes) 
since it was released and have noticed a couple potential problems...
 
Occasionally, my system will hang on exit from either a DOS or OS/2 session.
Simply exiting from a DOS CLI has brought the whole system down w/o a
warning or Trap msg. being displayed...Interestingly enough, I can't reproduce
this error w/ any type of regularity...Seems to happen about once or twice
a week.  I've seen this happen on my 486-33 w/ 16Megs RAM & TSENG 256-color
drivers, as well as a 386-40 w/ 8Megs RAM & Trident 16-color drivers.

Also, the system doesn't appear to be deallocating & compacting memory as
rapidly or efficiently as before....At bootup, I generally have around 6Meg
free, but after being up for around 4hrs and doing various "stuff" (i.e. 
opening lots of folders, running HyperAccess/5 v3.0 a couple times, viewing
some gifs, etc, etc..) I only have around 2.5Meg free, w/ all windows &
folders closed!  I'm using System Resources v1.40 to obtain this info...

Any ideas as to what's causing the above would be greatly appreciated.


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From: francis@atmos.cse.ogi.edu (Francis Moraes)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.programmer
Subject: Re: MATLAB for OS/2 ---- Make it Happen!
Date: 5 Nov 92 10:17:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.45284
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Atmospheric Sciences, Beaverton, OR

price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price) writes:
>I seem to recall that the Windoze version is rewritten to be DPMI compliant.
>This means effectively that is becomes OS/2 usable, even though not OS/2
>specific. They are just now going into beta with the windoze version. Existing
>customers with OS/2 2.0 might be able to get pre-releases by asking to beta the
>windoze version under OS/2. You'd have to call and ask of course :-)..

We recently got the J version of DOS Matlab which is working quite well under
OS/2 (the company does not officially stand behind this however). Anyway, we
told the folks at MathWorks that we _really_ hated MS-Windows and that we
would _really_ like an OS/2 version and they said that there were _really_
ten times as many MS-Windows users as OS/2 users and that they had absolutely
no plans to do an OS/2 version. they also said that they had to work _very_
closely with MS in order to get MatLab to work at all and they were very
discouraging about getting it to run under OS/2 (but they also made no claims
about version J working either so I don't know).

francis@eeyore.atmos.ogi.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: jcyr@bnr.ca (Jean Cyr)
Subject: Re: PmComm comments solicited.
Keywords: PMCOMM
Reply-To: jcyr@bnr.ca (Jean Cyr)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 19:09:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.202909.3501@wicat.com>, kevin@wicat.com (Kevin Vigor) writes:
|> 
|> Has anybody out there had any experience with PmComm? I downloaded a version
|> from hobbes, and first impressions are excellent; I like the interface, it runs
|> like a charm, and it sucks FAR less cycles than Qmodem. However, I'd like 
|> comments before I spring $90 for Zmodem and scripts (neither of which I can
|> live without).
|> 
|> If there's sufficient interest, I'll summarize and post. 

My experience with the registered 32 bit version of PMCOMM were not
good. In fact I sent it back for a full refund.

Reasons:

  - VT100 emulation was poor. The cursor ended up all over the place
    where it should not have.

  - CISB upload/download protocol ran CPU at 100% and often failed.

I have yet to find a comm program for OS/2 with the robustness and 
features of Telix.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Subject: Re: So how do I get 256 colors now?
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:26:12 GMT

ghenniga@NMSU.Edu wrote:
> >Well the service pack installed just fine. Now the problem I'm
> >working on is trying to get 640x480x256 on my ET4000 (Renoir)
> >card. I don't have a Welcome folder. If I go into System Setup
> >it says that I'm running SVGA, but I don't see on option
> >anywhere there for changing the screen resolution (or tell me
> >what I'm running now, which I presume is 640x480x16). The
> >README's all talk around this. Would one of you experts who have
> >figured this out give me a clue or two?
> 
> 	Run DSPINSTL from an OS/2 command line prompt. The program is
> located in the the subdirectory \OS2\INSTALL. There is a way to do it
> from the Selective Install but this is much simpler! Have the last two
> diskettes of the service pak handy!

No, run Selective Install. It gets the fonts right and solves some problems
with invisible notebook tabs. The SVGA is generic SVGA I presume -
640x480x16 or something. Once you have installed the SPP ET4000 drivers it
will save TSENG SVGA.

-- 
Tom J Parry.
Your reality is a figment of my imagination.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: laird@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Subject: Re: Sytos Plus Version 1.35 Device Support List
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date:  9 Nov 92 17:09:14 GMT

d9mikael@dtek.chalmers.se (Mikael Wahlgren) writes:
>Does Sytos Plus 1.35 work on OS/2 2.0?  Does nayone know if it is possible
>(and how to do in that case) to upgrade the Sytos Plus 1.33 that is
>included with my MS Lan Manager Server NOS?

Oh, yeah, 1.35 runs on 1.21, 1.3 and 2.0; that's important to those of use
who run 1.3 on our net servers and 2.0 on the requesters.

Upgrade from package included with LANMan?  Did you send in your registration?

--kyler
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.emacs
From: sridhar@cs.scarolina.edu (M. A. Sridhar)
Subject: Re: Dired bug in OS/2 port of emacs 18.58.3?
Keywords: dired, OS/2
Organization: USC  Department of Computer Science
Date:  9 Nov 92 20:45:51 GMT

yee@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Paul Yee) writes:


>I seem to have discovered a bug in dired mode of the OS/2 port of
>emacs 18.58.3:

>1) open an OS/2 command window
>2) run emacs
>3) M-x dired, f on a file and exit with C-x c.

>Immediately re-invoke emacs and try 2-3 again. Dired mode works fine
>the first time but not subsequently. Dired just hangs with the
>information message "Reading directory <some directory path>..." after
>disk activity ceases.

>4) close the command session (exit)

>Repeat this procedure 1-3 again and dired works fine! Why? Has anyone
>else noticed this anomaly?

Yes, I had this exact same problem. The weird part is, it seems to have gone
away after I put in the Service Pack. So it must have been some kind of bug in
OS/2.

>Regards,
>Paul Yee
>yee@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca

Sridhar
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: roe2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Cave Newt)
Subject: Re: UNIX 'file' program for OS/2?
Reply-To: roe2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 19:32:50 GMT

ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca (ochealth) writes:

>Is anyone sitting on an OS/2 port of the UNIX file command? Or maybe
>you know where source code is? Also, anyone know where I can get a good
>list of OS/2 specific magic entries?

Source code alone won't do you much good, since file seems to have
some internal code to poke around in certain file types--i.e., OS/2
executables have a completely different structure from Unix ones.
Unfortunately, you really *must* dig out the OS/2 structure in the
program itself, not via a magic file, since the "meat" is not at a
fixed location (only a pointer to it is).  OS/2 programs look like
DOS programs if you don't make use of that pointer...

As you might guess, I'd like this, too.  I started writing it a few
months ago but got sidetracked, and it doesn't look like I'll be
getting back to it for a while.

Greg
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: SP OR TE/2 PROBLEM. PLEASE HELP
From: khmak@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:16:13 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

I have the following problem: TE/2 worked fine on my computer before I install
the Service Pack. Now I installed the SP and TE/2 does not work any more.
	Does anyone know how to configur TE/2 or OS/2 so TE/2 would work again?
Thank You.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc
From: jsanbeg@comp1.mcs.loral.com (Julie Sanbeg)
Subject: Looking for software problem report application for OS/2 or DOS
Organization: Loral Command & Control Systems
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:58:19 GMT





Does anyone know of a software problem reporting application for
an OS/2 or DOS environment. The system would be used for
logging problems/solutions found during testing and integration
of software applications.
If anyone knows of an application please email back to me.
				
				Thanks,
                                  Bill
				  (jsanbeg@mcsds3.mcs.loral.com)
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: TCP/IP for OS/2
Date: 7 Nov 92 16:02:37 GMT
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <JR5051.92Nov6212457@cehp17.coewl.cen.uiuc.edu> jr5051@cehp17.coewl.cen.uiuc.edu (Them that be them) writes:

>>TCP/IP for os/2 is also made by IBM. If you have access to the
>>educational discounts, you get the whole deal for less than $300. This
>>software is pretty good (although LaMail, the mail reader is below
>>average) and IBM really does take care of the users well. The whole deal
>>includes X, TCP/IP (with lots of adaptors supported). I would recommend
>>it to anyone.

>     Do you know if slip is supported?   Thanks!

Yes.

Now for my question.  If I wanted to run OS/2 2.0, SLIP, X, and NFS on
a 386-25 with only 6 MB of memory, just how unbearably slow would it
be? 

[Probably a silly question, but I can dream, right?]

-- 
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 in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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From: fly@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Neil)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: gnuplot help
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:48:55 GMT
Reply-To: fly@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Neil)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: fly@sylvester.cc.utexas.edu


 I am having trouble getting GNUPlot set up with the WPS.
I set up a new object using the gnushell.exe program but when I open it, the 
command interface gnuplot.exe does not open.

I think I have to put some lines into my config.sys but could not find
anything in the INSTALL doc.

  Please tell me what I am supposed to do.....

Thank you.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Distribution: jadpc2
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 00:00:16 -0800
From: Bill_Connell@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Subject: Norton pcANYWHERE
Comment-To: Gregory_Youngblood@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Reply-To: Bill_Connell@f514.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/514

GY> I'm wondering if anyone has seen pcANYWHERE 4.5 or used it, and
can
comment 
GY> on it's abilities.   I'm seriously considering getting this, the
price 
GY> is definately right, especially with the Norton Anti Virus which
I've  
GY> used elsewhere and felt pretty good about, but I'm curious to see
how 
GY> pcANYWHERE rates among users... 
GY>  
GY> Also, I'm interested in knowing how well (if at all) it will work
under 
GY> an OS/2 dos session.  I use OS/2 on my system, and would probably 
GY> be using pcANYWHERE to dial another system running the host
program. 
I use PC Anywhere 4.5 on our network (standalone version) to call out
through a Shiva netmodem using INT 14 in a dos session under OS/2. 
Everything works fine,  we did just buy the lan version but I haven't
loaded
it yet.  I can't tell you how it would run in host mode under OS/2. 
But
we are seriously considering it, as a sort of cheep access server,
with
maybe a few modems hanging off it and a host in three dos boxes. 
___
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From: jurlwin@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Jeff Urlwin)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: TE/2 won't receive zmodem?
Date: 9 Nov 92 23:35:12 GMT
Organization: University of Maine, Department of Computer Science

In article <vpsoc.721298632@manning> vpsoc@cs.UAlberta.CA (Rob Eitzen) writes:
>I'm trying to get TE/2 to work, even though it has a shitty interface...
>When I try to receive a file with zmodem, it gets the first 1K, then I
>get a 'NO RESPONSE' error and it dies.  Any suggestions?
>Thanks.

What are you using on the other end?

Jeff

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From: benezra_a@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: AutoCad R12 patch info
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:56:44 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US

v > I think is it already available from software.watson.ibm.com via
> anonymous ftp.
> 
Yes, I saw that it is posted. Richard Blalock, who I know from prodigy
(ID # DCRV95A), has been working night and day over in the Autodesk forum
on CIS at considerable expense. He urges me to ask you all to push very
hard for a PM port of AutoCad. Mention his name for a little added clout
to the cause. Many have told me that it was his work there that got the patch
out as quickly as it did. 
Organization: Senior, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:01:28 -0500 
From: Jason Ari Goldstein <jg3o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Backup w/HPFS Filenames

Hey now,

I really need to backup all of my stuff so that I can change my
partitions on my harddrive.  I got obackup to try it out and it backed
up fine but it seemed to screw up all of the long filenames.  I really
don't want to loose alot of data again, I already had a backup program
that failed on the restore and it screwed up the backup before
everything was recovered.  I lost an entire summer project amongst other
things.  Anyway, if you know anything please let me know.  Otherwise I
will just tar or zoo my harddrive and then back it up.


Later...

Jason A. Goldstein
___________________________________________
I'm a peripheral visionary...
I can see the future but only off to the sides.

Over, Finished, Gone, Done, Out.  (Finally)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis) (OS/2)
Subject: Re: Drawing Application
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 08:43:37 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.004805.27596@spock.UUCP> roland@spock.uucp (David A. Braun) writes:
>In article <1992Nov7.211413.13990@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Mike Levis) writes:
>>
>>I just checked; there is no PM Draw included with OS/2 2.0 .
>
>What are you talking about, "there is no PM Draw included", I've got it on
>my system... It isn't very good in my opinion, but then my idea of an object
>based drawing program in Autocad...
>
>Roland.

PM Draw does not come with OS/2 2.0 .  Either you are thinking of
PM Chart (an applet written by Micrografx bundled with OS/2 2.0),
or you acquired a program called PM Draw and you just think it is
bundled with OS/2.

There is a PM Draw from ftp-os2, and the Great TFS says Micrografx
has a commercial program out now also called PM Draw.  There may be
other programs called PM Draw; you must have one of these if you
are not confused with PM Chart.

Everyone:
Before you send me *more* e-mail saying PM Draw is bundled with OS/2,
check your Productivity folder first.  When you see it says PM Chart
instead of PM Draw, you can e-mail me an apology.  :) :) :)

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From: juanman@photon.com (Juan Castaneda)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Using Bernoulli Drives
Summary: Using Iomega Bernoulli Drive As Boot Disk
Date: 12 Nov 92 17:24:04 GMT
Organization: Photon Research Associates, Inc.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Has anyone out there had any significant experience with Iomega Bernoulli
drives running OS/2?  I would like to install OS/2 on my AST 386/33 with
dual removable 44 MB bernoulli's.  Iomega has furnished the OS/2 drivers
but I can't seem to get the OS to install.  It just freezes after I insert
Installation Disk 1. 

Any insight or hints would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,


Juan M. Castaneda
Photon Research Associates, Inc.
La Jolla, California
(619)455-9741
From: adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Deskpic problems
Date: 6 Nov 92 04:09:06 GMT
Organization: /etc/organization

In article <83057@ut-emx.uucp> fly@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Neil) writes:
>
> Apparently, the deskpic screen saver dos not work under the service pack.
>All that happens when the saver times out is the screen locks to what 
>was on it at the time.  
>
>Has anyone had similar problems with it?
>
>Thank you.

Works just fine for me.  I haven't had a single problem with it.  As a 
matter of fact, all the screensaver modules for Deskpic that DID NOT work
before, under GA, now work perfectly also.

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