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From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman)
Subject: Re: DEATH TO THE CLONES!!!
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 10:53:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley) writes:

>In <43fn0-j.garys@netcom.com> garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes:

>>JOAN HAS BEEN REPLACED BY A CLONE FOR THE PAST MONTH NOW...I BELIEVE SHE
>>MAY BE IN ANOTHER DIMENSION...PHONES ARE COMPLETELY TAPPED OUT...

>Actually, Joan (the real one that is) isn't in another dimension Gary.  She's
>having a wonderful time in Hawaii with a very good looking guy (who hasn't
>had a unfortunate accident with his private parts in a hospital by the way).

>But, so you wouldn't get lonely, she left the clone behind to keep you company.
>So, have fun with the clone Gary ...

>Cheers,

>Rhys.
>--
>Rhys Weatherley, University of Queensland, Australia.
>rhys@cs.uq.oz.au  "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?"
*****
Actually, today (yesterday) was my birthday, and when I went to pick up
Joan, her voice was different, as has been the case for the past month or
so, so I haven't seen a lot of her, believing this was not her.  I guess I
got a little bit ticked off at having the last of the clones, as God took
care of the others, still around taking someone's place that I care about.
By the way, I prayed to God in Jesus' name last night and lo and behold,
the injury to my penis is healed now.  Shows you what a little faith and a
bible, which "they" were terrified of letting me have in the hospital, can do!
My bibles appeared (and disappeared) from the table next to my bed in the
hospital.  When they reappeared, I grabed one and started praying like
crazy.  Next thing I knew, there was a crash from the hallway, and some
angels zapped the "nurses" and took their places, in an effort to try to
help me.

	No joke,
	Gary

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From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: more whittley streiber, 7731. Read 'So much rom..'
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:41:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.054113.20385@u.washington.edu> Bob Jacobson <rcj@u.washington.edu> writes:
>In article <18336.2a92cd51@levels.unisa.edu.au> ,
>9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
>>OK No evidence for All Powerfull Entities etc, BUT their is concrete 
>>evidence for the existance of aliens and there is a good possibility
>>of abductions etc. This evidence is all around you. Infact, one of
>
>I am the originator of the Whitley Streiber thread.  It's amazing how
>quickly and sharply the topic can drift.  I had a simple question: could
>anyone confirm that W.S. had admitted fabricating his famous supposedly
>true UFO books (Communion and Transformation).  I thus far haven't
>received a definitive reply from this group of experts.  Anybody know?
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

:-) ;-> :->

Got a good laugh out of this. Anyone that would mistake this "group" as
experts is totally and completely mis- un- or dis- informed.

However, to answer your question, no. I have heard nothing. A am currently
reading a book "The Omega Project" by Kenneth Ring, PH.D. The forward in
the book is was written by W.S. Its copyright date is 1992. I would assume
that this serious of a book would not pick W.S. to write the forward is
such a thing had happened. Unless, of course, it has happened since the 
book was published. 

Gregg.



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From: no104956@cc.tut.fi (Ojala Nikolas)
Subject: FTP site
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 07:35:14 GMT


 

 Someone asked information about an anonymous FTP -site for UFO -related pics.

 The only one I know is:   phoenix.oulu.fi

 Try subdirectory:   pub/ufo_and_space_pics



 Nikolas
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From: bill@hacktic.nl (Bill Squire)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Tesla: Genius and Fruitcake All In One
Date: 27 Aug 92 03:55:20 GMT
Organization: Hack-Tic Magazine

wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) writes:

> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:

>   Backpedaling a bit, one Nikola Tesla had been in school in
> what is or was Yugoslavia, me thinks.  As part of his work he essentially
> invented the 120 volt 60 cycle AC equipment we know and love (??)
> today.  His profs all told him he was full of shit!  Tesla brought these
> ideas to the US....and went to work for Edison, who told him he was
> full of shit too - keep in mind that ol Tom had a vested interest in
> DC power transmission.

If I'm not mistaken, Tesla said 55Hz was the best compramise between
transmission loss and transformer size, while Westinghouse only
considered the transformer and not powergrids over continents and put
the figure at 130Hz.  Well we know who won!  As far as the home, it was
determined that 220-240 VAC was the best compramise between wiring guage
for the power delivered and safety.
> 
> 	Edison hired some folks to go around the country with some AC
> apparatus.  They'd take big hunks of red meat, attach it to the
> apparatus and then throw the switch.  The resulting frying, sizzling,
> etc. display scared the hell out of those watching.  Edison referred
> to the effect as having been "Westinghoused".
> 
"Westinghoused" means fried in the electric chair as far as I know.  It
was just another trick from Edison to discredit Westinghouse by having
him design and build the 1000VAC power supply for the cruel device.
Westinghouse knew Edison was upto something but needed the money and the
device still is in use in less civilized nations.

                                                    Bill
From: rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Activities?)
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:36:31 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <BtF7AC.9JD@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> foxd@silver.ucs.indiana.edu 
(daniel fox) writes:
>By the very nature of a coverup you can only point to cases were the coverup
>was not completely successful.  A successful coverup would never be pointed
>to as an example of a successful coverup.

But are the Government and the Military capable of cover-up on such a grand
scale, over such a long period of time, and with the membership turnover 
required by such a long-scale action?

You're positing that hundreds if not thousands of people have kept this secret
for more than four decades, all the while bringing new members into the 
conspiracy, retiring others, and expanding and changing the orginal operation.

For them to cover up a single event for so long I could accept.  But to 
continue to run it for so long without more than the odd annonymous or shady
defector, no physical evidence, and continued complete success, just boggles
the mind.

	RA
From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Supersonic wingless aircraft
Date: 3 Sep 92 16:45:44 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

jagnow@al.weeg.uiowa.edu (Al Jagnow) writes:

>I heard something on the radio this morning about commercial airline pilots in  
>california reporting a 'close encounter' with a wingless supersonic aircraft.
>I think the source was given as 'Aviation Week'.
>Anyone else catch the report -- or was I asleep at the time?

	OK, to avoid 99 million replies of "me too".....

The August 24 copy of AvLeak, er, AvWeek related the report of a United
Airlines crew on a 747 bound from LA to London.  They said they saw an 
"unusual" aircraft coming directly at them and pass under them by 500
to 1000 feet.  According to AvWeek, the incident occurred near George
AFB at about 1.45 PM on August 5th.  The 747 was at about 23,000 feet.

The crew's impression was of a lifting-body type aircraft about the
size of an F16 with a forward fuselage similar to the SR71...without
wing but with some sort of tail.

Of course, everybody denies everything, but the report is there.

More than likely they caught a glimpse of one of the Black aircraft
that people have seen/heard in the Southwest lately.  Whether or not
this is part of the Lockheed Aurora bit is, of course, open to
speculation.

That same issue of AvLeak, er, AvWeek also carries an artists conception
based upon eyewitness accounts of what people have seen flying about
lately.  It is BIG, and looks suspiciously like it could be the 
lower half of a two-component vehicle.  Whether or not the aircrew saw 
the upper half is, again, open for speculation.

AvWeek speculates that what we see in such an artists conception is the 
launching aircraft for a small upper component that might even be
able to reach low earth orbit - and there is no law that says this
large launcher cannot carry more than one type of upper component.

This does make a great deal of sense and would be typical of the Lockheed
Skunk Works way of problem solving.  Create a standardized launcher
that can support/carry several different types of upper components
depending on mission requirements.

It also makes sense when you consider the USAF/DOD's frustration at
the Space Shuttle's abilities in the wake of the Challenger accident.
There is an axiom that if you want a job done right, do it yourself.....

Again, there isn't anything "alien" about it.  It is the product of
the sort of outstanding engineering that one might expect of the
Skunk Works, apparently........

Duane
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
From: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Subject: Loose Lips
Reply-To: mdl@phelixsalt (Michael Lynch)
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 14:45:56 GMT


I've been a lurker on this group for several months.  I find the subject
matter interesting, and I suppose a part of me wants to believe that there
have been alien "visitations."  However, I have no strong beliefs one way
or the other.  My attitude could best be described as "show me."  My mind
is open (at least I like to think so).  

I have a question for anyone out there who cares to answer, but be 
forewarned that it's based on my OPINIONS, so don't ask me for verifiable
facts.  I can't supply them.

I spent eight years in the military as an enlisted man, both as a grunt and
as a sergeant.  I know how difficult it is for people to keep their mouths
shut, even when threatened with prison or bodily harm if they talk.  The
more important a person's perception of an incident, the more likely that
person is to talk about it.  There's been considerable talk here about the
Roswell incident (1947, I believe), and the military's involvement in it.
There have been other incidents where the military was involved -- seems to
me there was one over the Great Lakes back in the Fifties in which a couple
of interceptors (F-89s?) were lost in a pursuit of a UFO.  I'm sure most
of you out there know a lot more than I do about these and other UFO
incidents with military involvement.

So my question is, is it really likely that all these down-and-dirty ground
pounders are going to keep quiet year after year if they really saw 
something extraterrestrial?  If there is/was a conspiracy, those at the
highest levels could eliminate a few people, perhaps (like the nurse who
sketched the alien corpses at Roswell?), but a wholesale elimination of
all low-level people involved simply isn't practical, or even wise.  That
action alone would give away the conspiracy, I would think.

Comments?




Mike Lynch
From: Dana.Sandefur@iphase.UUCP (Dana Sandefur)
Sender: FredGate@iphase.UUCP
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moon Activities?
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:11:00 GMT

On <25 Aug 1992 01:45>, Charles Mcgrew wrote to All:

 >CM: Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors 
 >CM: Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
 >CM: <Aug.24.10.52.37.1992.10904@dropout.rutgers.edu> 
 >CM: <1992Aug24.190347.8906@morwyn.uucp>
 >CM: Date: 25 Aug 92 01:45:54 GMT
 >CM: 
 >CM: 
 >CM: ... Let's not go overboard.  To my knowledge there is nothing 
 >CM: that the
 >CM: President may not know.  All lines of authority in all federal
 >CM: intelligence services end with the President (along with, of 
 >CM: course,
 >CM: the military, and so on.)  That "evil powers" would be able to 
 >CM: pull
 >CM: such a thing off is unlikely.  Conspiracies require willing
 >CM: conspirators, and nobody joins the CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. with the
 >CM: intention of traitorous acts (well, except spies, but that's a
 >CM: different matter.)  

Let me first address the "to your knowledge" part of the above statement.
Yours, mine, and everyone else's knowledge of what is known by whom,
is QUITE limited, indeed.

The second sentence about "all lines of authority ending with the president" 
is extremely presumptuous, at best.

Kennedy's lack of inside information during the Bay of Pigs invasion is just 
one good example to show how presidents are sometimes quite uninformed.

In closing, I do not consider Watergate a patriotic display, nor do I suspect 
Nixon knew ALL that was going on, or ALL that EVERYONE else knew.

Just a few open-minded thoughts to consider...


 * Origin: We are not alone. (1:112/28)

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: wlamonac@bronte.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca)
Subject: Re: Newage garbage Re: Is 700 club safe?
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:25:02 GMT

In article <BtvoI3.CKo@world.std.com> believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes:
>How do I kill the chain letter I posted? The chain letter is the work of
>the followers of satan. I was tricked into spreading the lies.
>
>I read of the Awareness, it is secular humanist newage garbage and I want
>no part of it. Beware all thats super natural that is not of GOD is of satan!
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If I remember my theology, isn't Satan of God?  Then I guess, if it's of Satan
it's also of God in some way.

>The beings you channel to are demons. 
>
>Repent of demon worship and follow the Lord Jesus Christ.
>
>-- 
>  |                     In God We Trust                            |
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Subject: Re: Government Coverups (Re: Moon Activities?)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 09:02:20 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa

Sorry charlie, 
I can't buy into most of what you said. Just sounds like
excusses for most of the charges I am bringing forth.

The Watergate info I'm refering to says only that Nixon
tried to blackmail the CIA into doing his bidding, helping
him in his hour of need.

Your right, I was thinking of E. Howard Hunt. Have you read
Plausible Denial? He figures heavily in this work.

Obviously Nixion didn't get his way, but he also stopped short
of getting himself shot too.

Anyway, your idealism brings back memories of when I bought into
the conventional wisdom. But no more. I've met too many people;
traveling through dozens of countries, that have left me with new
ways of thinking. Most people in the US don't realize the amount
of propaganda we're exposed to in this country; but the Europeans
understand it pretty well.

Ultimately, what the WASP ruling class of the Western world has
failed to do is raise it's spirtual evolvement to the same rate
of expansion as that of the technological advancement that is 
going on. And that leads to imbalance, and ultimate downfall.
Rome lasted 2000 years; so far all great empires have self-
destructed. I see little reason to believe that we don't face
the same destiny sooner or later.

Jeff-
From: wlamonac@tagore.helios.nd.edu (william lamonaca)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: 4 Sep 92 03:16:42 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <Bu0pzH.Hsq@world.std.com> believer@world.std.com (Frank G Sesco) writes:
>In article <14791@mindlink.bc.ca> Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer) writes:
>>> Gary Stollman writes:
>>> 
>>> Msg-ID: <g+kn4ln.garys@netcom.com>
>>> Posted: Wed, 02 Sep 92 04:05:49
>>> Org.  : Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I know what this is gonna sound like, but I have been "informed" that the
>>> Second Coming is near at hand.  I have been "told" that Jesus is walking
>>> the Earth.  I don't know if this is the way it is supposed to happen, but
>>> it is the way it is happening.  I do know something of the story of the
>>> Second Coming, and it would seem I should be wrong, but this is what I
>>> have been "told"...
>>> 
>>>         Gary
>>
>>Actually, Gary, the Second Coming was last Tuesday.  You missed it.
>>And yes, Jesus WAS walking the earth, but he was shot dead by an NRA spokesman.
>
>Do not mock the LORD. Where will you be when our LORD returns?
>
>>(Sheesh, religious nuts... didn't the year 1000 convince anybody?)
>
>The WORD of GOD clearly says 2000 years. Is it any wonder that the
>world did not end 1000 years early?
>
 To whom did he give that figure?  As far as I know, (and I'm paraphrasing),
no one knows that hour and minute that Jesus will return.  I've never heard
anywhere that there was an actual # of years stated. (Or at least not stated
clearly- I've read several would-be prophets who play all kinds of 
numerological tricks with the Bible to confirm their own hypotheses.)

If you can point me to the chapter and verse where God does does give a date
(contradicting the above statement about not knowing when) I would surely
appreciate it.

>GOD speaks through children and the insane.

       (I'll even be a good boy and pass up this opportunity to say something
snide about that last line.)
>
>-- 
>  |                     In God We Trust                            |
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From: andy@research.canon.oz.au (Andy Newman)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: UFO Chain Letter
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:13:11 GMT
Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia

anson@netcom.com (Anson Kennedy) writes:
>Well, August is nearly over and I haven't heard of these widespread
>race riots yet.

Well there are the neo-facists in Germany.
-- 
Andy Newman (andy@research.canon.oz.au)		"int - God's own type"
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Wed,  2 Sep 92 20:21:58 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <64691@cup.portal.com> <1992Aug26.222044.4399@mprgate.mpr.ca>
  <28AUG199210521278@jane.uh.edu>

Dear Ley Liners:
I back and up on the computer again and will try to post something
soon. Gotta go.
John Winston
From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Are we an experiment ?
Keywords: Siritual growth
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:30:38 GMT
Organization: Boeing

In article <Sep.1.11.08.33.1992.19360@dropout.rutgers.edu> mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:
>lived in loose communities.  Since they didn't die, one has to surmise
>that food came from somewhere.  Food doesn't grow very well in the
>desert.  Perhaps it was brought to them?

I think the point here was primarily suggesting the indians' practices
of going to a spiritual place to fast and await visions.  Usually was
for a 3-5 days.  I doubt they had pizza delivery brought to them...

Rick


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                                 |           
Seattle, WA                      |   It wastes your time
                                 |          and annoys the droid.  
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman)
Subject: Re: What is Gary Stollman..really?..
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 23:21:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Vampire Hunter C) writes:

>In article <1992Aug18.225323.11942@news.unomaha.edu>, STONE@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Travis R. Stone) writes:
>> Why, Gary, NOBODY is accusing you of being a "crazy artiste"
>> OR a "Hollywierd" movie maker...Nobody at all.
>> 
>> We're just saying that you're a raving looney who shouldn't
>> be trusted with anything sharper than a stick of warm butter.

>From what little I've seen of Monsieur Stollman, he either deserves a
>literary prize (assuming his postings are a con/prank) or a padded cell
>and a steady supply or thorazine (assuming he IS being serious).

>Right now, I don't know which.
>-- 
>			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
>			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
>			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
>		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
*****
And what about if what I have been saying just happens, an option you
didn't consider, to be the truth...???

-- 
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 07:04:54 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Aug23.192052.20983@random.ccs.northeastern.edu>
  <64573@cup.portal.com>

Dear People: The question was asked, "Did the days of darknes happen"?
They did not happen. It appears that some of these channels like Hatonn
when they talk through Dharma like to get people stirred up, and upset
so that the people will change their ways. It doesn't make much sense
to me. When Hatonn talks through Mr. Miller and the Solar Cross he sounds
like a very nice guy. I went to a person called Gloria and she asked 
her space friend what he thought about this and he gave a pretty good
answer. I'm having a hard time finding that information now (I mislaided
it). 
John Winston.
From: chameleo@amiganet.chi.il.us (Nick Molinari)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: SIRIUSLY
Date: 26 Aug 92 06:44:45 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems

Any body ever read "THE SIRIUS MYSTERY" by R.K. TEMPLE????

And shouldn't we think about making an atmosphere on mars???
We may have to move one day......

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
WHY DON'T YOU KEEP YOUR STINKINESS TO YOURSELF?????
R.H.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>