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From: mkoch@amisys.UUCP (Mike Koch)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: DLG Support BBS?
Date: 31 Aug 92 08:29:15 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AMiSYS Consulting
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

Could anyone bring me up to date on the status of TelePro's DLG support BBS?
I logged on there a while back, and requested info on DLG, as well as one of
their NDA/Order forms.  I received the info a few days later, but until
recently I couldn't come up with the funds.  Now that I have, I can't seem to
find their support BBS any more.  Calls to both of the numbers result in
messages from the operator telling me the number(s) is no longer in service.

Unless they've moved, it seems odd that a BBS company would shut down their
own support system.  Could someone give me the new number, if there is one?  I
won't be sending my order in until I find out what's going on.

Thanks!
-- 

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From: dale@ntg.com (Dale Luck)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: X-terminal program for Amiga?
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:57:08 GMT
Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc.  Palo Alto CA

In article <KENTD.92Aug26141243@zappa.FtCollins.NCR.com> kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton) writes:
>>>>>> On 26 Aug 92 03:21:08 GMT, ekolar@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Erik S. Kolar) said:
>
>Erik> Is there a program that provides X-windows terminal emulation for
>Erik> the Amiga?  I don't have Unix, just AmigaDOS.  I would like to
>Erik> call up one of the school's Sparc stations and use the X
>Erik> enviroment.
>
>Yes, GfxBase makes one for AmigaDOS BUT you don't want to use it over 
>a serial connection. Even using V.32bis modems, normal phone
>connnections just don't provide sufficient bandwidth to run X
>acceptably. 

We have several customers that would take exception to this. Because
the X11 running on the Amiga supports local clients like twm,olwm,mwm,
as well as most of the clients on the mit release tape, you only need
to run whats needed to run on the remote system. Unfortunately we do not
have an xterm yet, however the with the window manager running locally
our customers have found the response is sufficient for their needs.

Dale Luck
GfxBase, Inc.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: welter@fwi.uva.nl (Richard Welter)
Subject: Re: XComm - Anyone who has tried it?
Keywords: xcomm, amiga, datacomm
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:58:40 GMT

etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Pihl) writes:

>Anyone who has tried XComm?  

Tried it yesterday.

>I downloaded it from a BBS last night and the program is
>for sure SUPER!. Some real nice features, but it seems to
>have lots of bugs. Who has made this program?

It's terrible, it crashed twice just trying to configure it, so
I immediately got rid of it.
It was 'made' by some Australians I think. Actually it looked
suspiciously like Term (one of the older versions), it looked so
much like it that I suspect they used a lot of the Term source.
So don't bother with it, just get Term2.3.

>Tomas Pihl /  Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs - Stockholm, Sweden
>          / etxpihl@eua.ericsson.se  FidoNet: 2:201/628

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From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:35:51 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet) writes:

>Locally (Denmark, that is), we're almost done with digitalising the entire
>phone network, so it wouldn't be impossible to get >24k bps.  It's not
>28.8k, but it's a whole lot better than 14.4k.

  I should have kept in mind where you live before I answered, yes, in Denmark
the logistics for a switch to digital would be much less of a problem than
here in the states.

>Somewhere out there, it's naturally not obtainable before mid 90's, I know,
>especially France and Italy has got VERY poor phone lines, but they're not
>alone...

  Hehe, no lie about that.  If New York City wasn't so damned expensive, I'd
almost move back just for the quality of the phone and electric service... ;-)

>But, here in Denmark, we look forward to getting it.  So does the germans,
>which has started (as we have) on the ISDN (sp?) phone lines.  They will
>give you up to 64kbit/sec on upto 4 (four!) simultaneous lines.  Now,
>that's something I look forward to get.

  ISDN is definately the long term, high speed solution (for the moment),
I'd much rather have that as well.

  -jack-
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:46:49 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

rwm@atronx.OCUnix.On.Ca (Russell McOrmond) writes:

>  The answer isn't as relevant to this discussion as the REASON for the
>answer.  High-speed asynch modems are NEW to the telecomunications world,
>which is why things like Zmodem, SeaLink, Ymodem/etc all are very popular.

  I'd be inclined to believe you except for the fact that BIMODEM and HS/LINK
have both been around, and in widespread use for longer than V.32bis has been
popular/cheap.

  -jack-
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: JRComm settings
Date: 26 Aug 92 20:35:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

rlosey@sdf.lonestar.org (Richard Losey) writes:

>Actually, I'd be more interested in a tutorial -- what is the tradeoff?  Why
>not a HUGE buffer?  Does a small buffer make for better xfers?  I think you ge
>the idea.  Also, I have a Supra v.32bis modem, so I'm particularly interested
>in settings for high-speed modems.  (But NOT the modem setup; the question is
>about JR-Comm settings).

  There's no hard and fast "best" setting, although the default of 8K is
generally the one that works best on most systems.

  Try bumping it up or down a notch or two and see if the throughput
improves or worsens, that's about the best way to find out.

  -jack-
From: kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:23:23 GMT
Organization: Compos Mentis Software Systems
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith

In article <3634@faatcrl.UUCP> jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan) writes:
> kehlet@kehlet.adsp.sub.org (Jesper Kehlet) writes:
> 
> >So, stupid, get it:  HST is the past!  Even USR is going for V.fast 28,800
> >and letting HST die now!!!
> 
>   If you think that V.fast is going to go beyond 21k on the public phone 
> system anytime soon, you're dreaming or on *very* good drugs... ;-)

Locally (Denmark, that is), we're almost done with digitalising the entire
phone network, so it wouldn't be impossible to get >24k bps.  It's not
28.8k, but it's a whole lot better than 14.4k.

Somewhere out there, it's naturally not obtainable before mid 90's, I know,
especially France and Italy has got VERY poor phone lines, but they're not
alone...

But, here in Denmark, we look forward to getting it.  So does the germans,
which has started (as we have) on the ISDN (sp?) phone lines.  They will
give you up to 64kbit/sec on upto 4 (four!) simultaneous lines.  Now,
that's something I look forward to get.


>   -jack-

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From: johnv@tower.actrix.gen.nz (John Veldthuis)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: HST & SUpra: which is faster?
    <OA92-901-607p3_13f41d35@piraya.bad.se>
Distribution: World
Date: 26 Aug 92 05:21:20 +1200
Organization: Amiga Virus Extermination Services, TAUG

Quoted from <OA92-901-607p3_13f41d35@piraya.bad.se> by Roger_Martensson@p3.f607.n901.z92.badnet.bad.se (Roger Martensson):
> In a message (written 21-Aug-92, 1:33:00) to Chris Klaus you wrote:
> 
>  CK> I am getting a SupraFax 14.4K baud modem. But I use to have an HST.
>  CK> From one source, Ive heard that HST was faster than SupraFax's
>  CK> protocal.  Like SupraFax would get only 1600 cps transfering the same
>  CK> file as HST at 1800 cps.  Is there any validity to that statement?
>  CK> Which is faster?  I would think they were the same.
> 
> At the moment the newer HST is the faster one. Up to 16.8kbps.
> But if I have got this right, the HST only transmits data 16.8kbps in one
> direction. (XXX bps on the other way) And the V32" should have 14.4kbps in
> both directions.

And don't forget to mention that it is only 16.8kbps when there is another
new HST on the other end of it.
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From: swinokur@cellar.org (Steve Winokur)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: BaudBandit 1.40
Date: 2 Sep 92 05:37:20 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

Harv@cup.portal.com (Harv R Laser) writes:

> >Does anyone have a copy of BaudBandit 1.40?  I've been looking for it, and
> >can't find it.  Could someone please mail me either a copy of the program,
> >or a site I could get it from?
> >
> >	-Thanks,
> >	Steve
> >          tredysvr!cellar!swinokur -or- swinokur@cellar.uucp -or-
> >                          GEnie: S.WINOKUR  -or-
> >                  435 Norristown Road, Horsham PA, 19044
> >..................... Amiga: Hey, at least it works! .......................
> 
> If it's the terminal program Baud Bandit written by Greg Cunningham and
> published by Progressive Peripherals you're asking for, this is a commercial
> product.  If it's that "baudbandit.device" serial device that someone
> in Europe cooked up and released a couple months ago, that's another story,
> and a VERY unfortunate choice of names, if ya ask me. 

Hehehe... its the .Device.  It's available on some Fido board in Europe,
whose node number I forget (2:273/72 or somesuch).  But I wasn't about to
FidoFileRequest to Europe to get it :).

Anyone know an FTP site for it?
	-steve

.............................................................................
          tredysvr!cellar!swinokur -or- swinokur@cellar.uucp -or-
                          GEnie: S.WINOKUR  -or-
                  435 Norristown Road, Horsham PA, 19044
..................... Amiga: Hey, at least it works! ........................
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From: opnsmurf@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Da Smurf)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm,comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.unix.amiga
Subject: Ethernet Software
Keywords: ethernet
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:25:00 GMT
Organization: ... or lack thereof.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


 Hi. I am looking for any public domain ethernet software and/or sources 
(for the amiga ofcourse). Are there any available or is commodore's software
the only that is available? Please respond via mail if you have any information

Jm.

ps: i am looking for packet drivers and any pd telnet/ftp software.
From: jprad@faatcrl.UUCP (Jack Radigan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: JRComm???
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:00:29 GMT
Organization: FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City NJ

paulk@terapin.com (Paul Kienitz) writes:

>Someone told me about three months ago that it was in "gamma test".
>I figured by now it must be in epsilon test.  But bugs will be bugs...

  Three months ago it was in "local test".  Beta testing only started about
two months ago...

  -jack-
From: olsen@sourcery.mxm.sub.org (Olaf Barthel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: Term 2.3 still has problems...
Distribution: world
X-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16e (7/4/92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:37:19 CED
Organization: MXM Barthel & Paesler

In article <1992Aug25.082557.7691@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) writes:
> I've been trying out Term 2.3 for the last half hour.  So far, I've
> found that term crashes intermittently when windows are closed.
> They're generally caught by 2.0.  So far, it's only happened with the
> Status window, and both times, I was on-line.

   So it's not "windows" but "window"? :-)

> More importantly, clipping STILL does not work.  However, when at one
> time it was intermittent, and worked every once in a while, and almost
> always survived a quick click, Term 2.3 gurus immediately when the
> mouse button is pressed down, and 2.04 catches it.

   Believe it or not, but it was a very, very tough job to create the new
character snapping routines. When we (Martin Berndt and me) finally thought
that they would work correctly, they just didn't (we tried roughly sixteen
or twenty different approaches to the problem). The solution we ended up
with eventually was tested with MungWall and Enforcer on the A3000 and on
the A500+ as well. Everything would work fine.

   Could you please list your program configuration (screen resolution,
fonts), hardware configuration and Workbench revision?

> (: (: (: (: Have you overdosed on smileys today?  Why NOT!?! :) :) :) :) :)
> (: "...and here's Clinton giving the correct spelling of bong-resin..."  :)
> (:	gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu			Gregory R. Block         :)
> (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (: (:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: tone@athena.mit.edu (Matthew E Antone)
Subject: HELP! Boards...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 19:52:08 GMT


	I have recently moved to the Boston/Cambridge area (I go to MIT) and
would like to get hooked up to some bulletin boards in the area (i.e.
non-lon-distance, if possible). The area code is 617. Can anyone help me out?
	I have an A3000 and a SupraFax 14,400 baud modem. If possible, please 
post a list of the numbers to nearby boards through which I can access public
domain software, etc. (all types welcome). Otherwise maybe post something that
could tell me where to find such a list.

	Thanks much.

		- Matt
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block)
Subject: Re: Term 2.3 still has problems...
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:43:13 GMT

olsen@sourcery.mxm.sub.org (Olaf Barthel) writes:
:    So it's not "windows" but "window"? :-)

Yup, singular.  :)  It seems that if I close the status window while
on-line it happens.  So I just don't use the status window.  ;)

BTW:  I love the new version.  The rework of the display at the bottom
gave a little more room.  ;)  It looks much better.

And I know I sound like an interior decorator, but your dial menu is
too "busy".  :)  I don't have a clue as to how to make that better,
but find a way to lose some of those buttons...

:    Believe it or not, but it was a very, very tough job to create the new
: character snapping routines. When we (Martin Berndt and me) finally thought

Believe me, I'm sure it was.  ;)

: that they would work correctly, they just didn't (we tried roughly sixteen
: or twenty different approaches to the problem). The solution we ended up
: with eventually was tested with MungWall and Enforcer on the A3000 and on
: the A500+ as well. Everything would work fine.
: 
:    Could you please list your program configuration (screen resolution,
: fonts), hardware configuration and Workbench revision?

2.04, of course.  The only system I use term on (the only one with a
modem, currently, is my 2000.  So it's a 2000 with 3 megs of fast and
a meg of chip.  2.04, no ecs.  Running in hires.  The 2000 is "hacked"
so that I've got a button which allows me to select PAL or NTSC, and
it's set to PAL.  That's about the gist of it.  I'm running MungWall,
as I always do.  (Though the guru for closing the status window
happens whether MungWall is running or not--Believe it or not, it does
make a difference.  Programs that free gadgets before they close the
window go fine unless you've got MungWall running, which makes the
guru visit.)

You're really putting lots of hard work into this.  I'm really happy
you haven't just "given up".  ;)  And I'm happy you're not worried
about the size of the executable.  You've got better things to do than
waste your time trying to scrunch everything down.  ;)

Who knows, maybe once you get SAS 6.0 it'll go down to 150,000.  ;)

Greg

PS:  How come you've got it hardwired so I can't use my CGTimes-13
font for everything but the terminal text?

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(: "...and here's Clinton giving the correct spelling of bong-resin..."  :)
(:	gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu			Gregory R. Block         :)
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From: jvasher@cquest.mi.org (Joe Vasher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: C-NET
Distribution: world
X-BBS-Software: EXCELSIOR! v0.95f
Date: 1 Sep 92 22:51:33 EST
Organization: Not an Organization

In an article, paulk@terapin.com (Paul Kienitz) writes:

>What do you think us PD programmers release source code FOR, if not
>for other people to make use of it?
To learn by and study, Not to use in comercial programs.

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From: jeannet@cerbere.enst.fr (Olivier Jeannet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: X-terminal program for Amiga?
Date: 1 Sep 92 13:59:47 GMT
Organization: Telecom Paris, France

In article <1992Aug25.222115.10327@news.cs.indiana.edu>, ekolar@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu (Erik S. Kolar) writes:
-> Is there a program that provides X-windows terminal emulation for the Amiga?  I
-> don't have Unix, just AmigaDOS.  I would like to call up one of the school's 
-> Sparc stations and use the X enviroment.

I've read in a French Amiga magazine that you can buy X-Window for Amiga for
around 3900 FF (French Francs, 1 Dollar ~ 5 Francs). It must be much cheaper
in the US. I dont remember the complete advertising.
From: Les_Jenkins@lppl.mi.org (Les Jenkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: StarNet (Paragon)
Distribution: world
Date: 30 Aug 92 14:19:24 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

In a message dated Sun 30 Aug 92  4:38, ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg
Giles) wrote:

 GG>    Is Eric Drewery still alive? Does he ever answer Email or US mail?
 GG>    I've owned Paragon since 1990 or so, and have been a patient owner,
 GG> but this guy is starting to really get on my nerves. Is something
 GG> happening in his real life that's preventing him from responding to
 GG> registered owner problems, or is he just being snooty? 
 GG>    Flames >hell:, please. This is a legitimate Q, so I'd appreciate
only
 GG> legitimate answers.

You've learned the number one reason why I gave up on Paragon/Starnet. I
have heard that he has recently finally released StarNet which was promised
well over a year and a half ago. The updates done to it look pretty nice,
but still far behind other systems like C-Net Amiga, Xenolink, or DLG PRO. 

I'd been through this once with Jon Radoff (original author of the port to
the Amiga) and then again with Eric. So, when I switched I took a chance
and bought the most expensive BBS for the Amiga. DLG PRO. I've not been
disappointed since. 

As an idea though, I never got Eric to answer a single bit of E-mail left
to him either through FidoNet or on his own BBS for the last 7 months I was
a Paragon owner. My advice? Give up and move on to one of the above three
mentioned systems.


 -- AEd V1.37/Eval

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

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From: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Rockerboy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.datacomm
Subject: Re: C-NET
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 92 17:16:30 EDT
Reply-To: rock@lakes.trenton.sc.us
Organization: The Veronica Lake Fan Club

tdietz@tcedge.mi.org (Tom Dietz) writes:

> In an article, eodell@nyx.cs.du.edu (Eugene O'Dell) writes:
> 
> >Why're you complaining that Ken used PD code?  It's in the public
> >domain for a reason, and the reason is that so people can benefit from
> >it.
> >
> 
> PD code is still Copywritten.  Copywritten code is protected for the bas
ic 
> principle of someone else cannot sell it.  People that produce PD code a
re a 
> good asset to the Amiga community, they share there knowledge openly wit
h 
> others, this code is STILL copywritten, this is the what copyright offic
e say
> is protected:
> 

Wrong.  Why do you post this when it is obvious you don't know what you
are talking about.  If something is in the public domain, it is free for
anyone to do anything they like with.  A piece of code in the public
domain is fair game for anyone, just like public domain songs such as
"Home on the Range" etc. can be performed _for profit_ without paying
royalties.  Their copyright has expired.  In the code of code realeased to
the public domain, the copyright has been _voluntarily waived_, and _does
not exist_.  Copyright law is not terribly complicated, and in fact, you
can write and get a packet of info on both US and International copyright
law.

> The owner of the copyright has the EXCLUSIVE right to do and to authoriz
e 
> others to do the following:
> 
> 
> o  To reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords.
> 
> o  To prepare derivitive works based upon the copywritten material.
> 
> o  To distribute copies or phonorecords by public sale or other transfer
 of 
>    ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending.
> 
> o  To display the copyrighted work publicly.
> 
> As you can see, the author still remains full owner of said material.  P
D cod
> doesnt mean "Here you go, just #include it in and sell it."  that is imm
oral.

As YOU can see, you do not understand what is meant by public domain, or
you would not be posting copy from the book in reference to copywrited
material.  Public domain material _has no copyright_.  It is in the public
domain.  Perhaps you are confusing public domain with freely
distributable?  There is a distinct difference in an author releasing a
work into the public domain and an author releasing a work as freely
distributable.  The latter implies that the author _retains_ all
copyright, including rights to profit from the work, etc.  The former does
not.


"Sometimes what you say is going to fly right in the faces of the 
powerful people who really run this world, but you don't care...you know 
it's your place to challenge authority..."

                                          Rockerboy
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