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From: yeh@netix.com (Mr Shannon Yeh)
Subject: Once again, please join me
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Organization: Netix Communications, Inc.
Date: 10 Oct 92 01:32:15 GMT

I do not think the US employers will buy those blood carders' political
bullshit.  Please join me to lobby the US employers not to hire those blood 
suckers.

To those who do not tolerate jutice rapers, let's be together again to fight
with those blood suckers to the very end.  Thank you.

shannon
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: pwang@osf.org (Ping Wang)
Subject: FYI [Chinese Student Protection Act.]
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:05:19 GMT

[ The following information is sent by the request of a friend,
  and is For You Information ONLY. Please do not reply to this
  account. -Thanks ]

1992 Chinese Student Protection Act.

	Chinese Nationals: You may be eligible for a green card starting
July 1, 1993. You must act promptly and correctly. IMMLAW, the National
Consortium of Immigration Attorneys, has attorneys in fourteen cities
throughout the United States who are ready and able to advise you.
IMMLAW attorneys have more than two centuries of experience and are
thoroughly familiar with this new law, all the regulations and rules and
all the requirements. It is not too soon to begin preparing. For further
information, contact an IMMLAW member in:

	Denver, Colorado
	Ann Allott - 303-797-8055

	Miami, Florida
	Michael A. Bander - 305-358-5800

	Cambridge, Massachusetts
	Steven A. Clark - 617-354-1550

	Detroit, Michigan
	John E. English - 313-961-5100

	Chicago, Illinois
	Terry Yale Feiertag - 313-236-7080

	Dallas, Texas
	Eugene J. Flynn - 214-521-7513

	Minneapolis, Minnesota
	Jerome B. Ingber - 612-339-0517

	Los Angeles, California
	Mark A. Ivener - 310-477-3000

	New York, New York
	Allen E. Kaye - 212-964-5858

	San Francisco, California
	Martin J. Lawier - 415-391-2010

	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
	James J. Oriow - 215-922-1183

	Washington, D.C.
	Jan M. Pederson - 202-785-1960

	Atlanta, Georgia
	Jay I. Solomon - 404-688-1164

	Houston, Texas
	Peter D. Williamson - 713-751-0222

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: 129.83.161.10 (H. Chao)
Subject: Re: Action-9201.appendix
Organization: MITRE
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:51:49 GMT

> +
> +2) It is not a case of "Chinese-sell-Chinese".  I do not think Chinese have
> +to limit themselves inside a fixed political boundary.  If British limited
> +themselves inside the British islands, how to establish countries like U.S,
> +Australia, South Africa?
> 
> 	The difference is just simple as: the British came to the new 
> 	continental and killed the then-time local residents and established
> 	their own country; the Chinese came to the US and sold their own
> 	people back in China in exchange for a right-to-live.

Do not forget those mainland Chinese immigrted to Taiwan were also against
the law in Qing dynasty.  Without these illegal immigrants, I think Taiwan
would be part of Japan today.  Do not think the political boundary is
fixed.  It was not fixed, it is not fixed, and it will not be fixed.  If
China can not build up her national strength (especially economics), sooner
or later, she will lose Taiwan, Tibet, XinJiang......If she can, she might
get back Taiwan, Singapore....After the cold war, the next war is a global
economic war.  How to avoid the trade friction between China and U.S is
more important than the wording in this bill. Do not try to pick up some
sesames and forget the watermelon.

> > 
> +3)  Unificatoin is strength.  You can break one chopstick easily, but you
> +can not break a bundle of chopsticks.  How to unify CSS is more important
> +than polarize CSS.  That is why I am very disappointed to see some
> +D(Dog)-figher fighting over how to distribute the pie instead of make the
> +pie bigger.
> 
> 	Why didn't these "a bundle of chopsticks" be together to fight with
> 	the US Senators to rename the bill as "Chinese Nationals PR Bill"?
 
It seems to me that CSS are deeply divided by this bill.  My question is
that do you (I mean two sides of CSS) really want to fight to death, or to
seek a compromise?  When two brothers fight, who will get benifits?

> +Final Words:
> +
> +Even I do not fully agree with you, I still respect your view point,
> +because you pointed out the deficits of this bill which are neglected by
> +most of CSS.
> 
> 	Those CSS's point is clear, i.e.:
> 
>  _\  _|_   / |=|   _|_ _\_  __|__  __\|/__    _|_|_
>  /|/|--/  /|--|--   |/|--| ___|_/_    | |    |-------|
>   |\|\/    | /|\   /| |       /|=|   /  |      --|--
>   |/ /\    |  |    \|/       / |=| |/   |__|   / | \   ,
> 
>  _\  _|_   / |=|   _|_ _\_   __|__    |==|   _|_|_   _|_/ _\_
>  /|/|--/  /|--|--   |/|--|  ___|_/_  -----  _|=|=|-  // | -|-
>   |\|\/    | /|\   /| |        /|=|   /|--     /\   //_\| -|-
>   |/ /\    |  |    \|/        / |=|  /\|___   /  \      |__|__  .
> 
> 
> shannon
> -------

I do not think most of CSS would think being protected is a kind of glory. 
They are just try to find a better economic
situation.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:27922 talk.politics.china:1932
From: zyou@phakt.usc.edu (Zhongbai You)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: 70,000 People Should Sue Shanoon Yeh, Seriously
Date: 14 Oct 1992 15:15:10 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

   No, please not. 
   Mr.Shanoon Yeh is so sick. He really needs a therapist. Seriously!
   
   Mr. Yeh, you should take a good vacation, relax for a while,
get away from the computer network. Enjoy whatever life you still have.
But the best way is to see a therapist. For your own good, you really
should see a therapist.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: x0y3510@tamuts.tamu.edu (Xuejun Yang)
Subject: Re: ROC vs PRC
Organization: ~/lib/organization
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 20:26:13 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.171502.4456@cbfsb.cb.att.com> ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>In article <BvtzKu.1n5@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> utingli@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Tingli Pan) writes:
>>
>>About one month ago someone was kindly enough to post the result of math
>>Olympic, but unfortunately I didn't see any one from the 30% education
>>budget place. Something got to be wrong.
>
>	Yes, it is probably the report that you chosed to see. I believe
>	Taiwan and S.Korea were right behind China with the average score
>	of 73. The report, IMO, is debatable; I cannot imagine that high
>	a score for Taiwan if the students were chosen randomly. Of course,
>	if the math questions are not as tough as what students usually
>	face in Taiwan, then the score may be reasonable.
>
>	I really admire the math ability of average students in China for
>	getting 80 points.
>
>>Dr. Wu Da You, the president of China Science Academy of Taiwan said
>>that the basic research is more advanced in mainland than in Taiwan
>
>	No question about it. Any R&D, without immediate sight of
>	profitability, will get little support in Taiwan. Most
>	taxpayers probably would not be upseted about this though except
>	they cannot claim to have rockets or nuclear bombs.
I think a big country can not afford without adequate basic research,
Taiwan can do until now when you become a direct competitor of the
US and Japan except for a few more years, Taiwan can still depend on
the mainland for growth. This is an advantage of Taiwan over S. Korea.
However, Because they realize they have to develop high tech, the S.
Koreans may turn this disadvantage into their favor by developing
new high tech. I think they are already ahead of Taiwan in terms of
high tech. So Taiwan could suffer if it does not quickly catch up with
S. Korea with Taiwan gradually lose the cheap labor of mainland.
>
>	KMT government should also be questioned for how those 30% of
>	educational budget is spent and be hold the responsibility for
>	further reforms on the education systems. I admire China
>	government for doing such a good job to students everywhere in
>	China; she does not seem to have such problems.
I think the main difference here is accounting method. In mainland,
a lot of the costs associated with education are either free or at a
nominal cost. In Taiwan where almost everything counts in terms of
money. I would say that if you convert all the factors in mainland
the funding would not be much lower than Taiwan's.
>
>Yung-Kao Hsu
>
>
From: Congzhong.Wang@info.unine.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Resopnse to txa95@iastate (Response to Shannon Yeh)
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:00:46 GMT
Organization: University of Neuchatel, Switzerland

In article <Bw0zKL.CHF@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, ling@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Gary LING) writes:
> In article <Bw0uB5.Fov@news.iastate.edu> txa95@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
 
> What is wrong if the bill just benifits the ordinary CSS?

  No wrong. But HOW the bill comes? Those CSS's hardworking? Or some other
people's suffering and blood?

> And no doubt about that, those people who have worked hard to push the bill
> into law are very unselfish , and intelligent, if not talented by your
> definition. :-)

  Unselfish? Don't you think bill beneficiaries will be thankful to them?
After this?

> The fact is, no matter this bill was passed or not, the majority of CSS are
> gonna stay here for the time being. The bill/law simply makes life easier
> for many of us CSS. 

  Yes, makes life easier, by using WHAT?

> From you posting, I feel like one thing is missing. That is LOVE, love to
> your fellow CSS. I am sorry, but I have to say this.

  OK, love to our fellow CSS, but HOW could you LOVE those dead? those jailed?
those in poverty and in trouble and those heart hurt?

> -GL
From: yndst2+@pitt.edu (Yong Duan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: (FWD upon requestion) Response to Shannon Yeh
Date: 9 Oct 92 23:32:18 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Oct9.204301.20668@serval.net.wsu.edu> hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (H.J. Lu) writes:
>In article <Bvv6E1.Ezr@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, tang@riemann.math.purdue.edu (Puqi Tang) writes:
>
>|> 2. These people are not liers, like you.
>|> They will be endangered if they go back and still hold their belief in basic
>|> human rights, in democracy and freedom. Surely , if they do the same thing like
>|> you, to kiss up the CCP, to lie, to should "long live the CCP", they won't be
>|> endangered, probably they will be promoted. However, do they want to do these
>|> kind of shameless dirty deeds like you?
>
>I am not sure he is a lier. He has said what he believed in. That kind of
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>people is the root of the tragedies in China.
>
>H.J.

I tend to believe it when I noticed that his is using an account from
a machine with address related to industry companies.

I would not be surpprised if someone tells me that he has got his job
in a major company and wants everybody else go back to China.

If my anticipation is true, this guy is a true lier. Don't even need to
debate with him, not worth to spend time. Next time just label his
article as "Lier's article".

To Shannon: I am not going to do anything for whatever you post in the
network concerning this post. I am simply sick of what you are saying.

Y.Duan
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cqu@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Chang-ning Qu)
Subject: Re: Oct 1, our National Day
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 04:41:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.195822.24696@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu) writes:
>
>>>Don't forget that Mao awarded so called "mather heros" in late 1950s for having  
>>>more than 7 children. Many Chinese were as stupid as you still are now. They  
>
>Never heard this story except a similar one on USSR.
>
>>>simply did not question the authoritis. They simply followed their "great  
>>>leeader".
>>>
>>>Carl
   
   Sorry I treat above political comments as garbage.
   I hate painting everything with political cover.
   We are the human being, good or bad, but never
   should be criticed with "perfect standard" by 
   the stupid way. 

>>
>>when they began to have a relatively peaceful life it
>>is imaginable that they want to have more children.  Also because
>>of the low standard of living and insufficient medical facility,
>>you got to have more kids to make sure that some of them would
>>survive.
>>
>>
>>Du
>
>As I Know, Most people in countryside who want more children was trying 
>to get more grain by this way (having more children) rather than to make
>sure of surviving. Ren2 Ming2 Gong1 she4 distributed grain by counting
>how many people per family including kids.

    I know Chinese have tradition called "yang3 er2 fang2 lao3" (When
you very old, you could depend on your children for life). This is
probably because lower productive and no welfare guaranttee for seniors
at that time. On other hand, some people really love children. They
feel happy when living in a big family(the same thing is also available
here in the States). So it is mainly depands on individual to have more
or fawer or none children. In countryside, there needs farming labors,
so comparatively, they have more kids in a family than those who live
in cities.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: chyang@litotes.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)
Subject: Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10, which is the more important day for China?
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 19:50:01 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Originator: chyang@litotes.engin.umich.edu


In article <!C6-WBB@engin.umich.edu>, chen@caen.engin.umich.edu (Jian Chen) writes:
> There have been many posts about Oct. 1 or Oct. 10 as the national
> days of China. Let me raise a question. From the point of view as
> Chinese people, disregard any political party, which day is more
> important to China for us to celebrate?
> 
> Oct. 10 is the day for Chinese people to overthrow Qing dynasty and 
> the Emperor and founded a republic, Republic of China. Under the
> leadership of Jiang(Chiang), China won WWII and regained the territory
> taken by Japan, including Taiwan.
> 
> Oct. 1 is the day PRC founded. Although CCP praised highly for
> the founding of PRC, it is just a dynasty replacing another one 
> from the point of view of history and Chinese people.
> 
> The good thing about PRC is that it completely kicked out foreign
> powers out of China which suppressed China in last 200 years.
> With the iron will of the most powerful man in China in this
> century, Mao, no foreign power dares to invade China. As the
> most powerful nation in the world, United States learnt two
> bitter lessons in Korea and Vietnam in confrontation with China.
> This is a great and remarkable point in modern history of China.
> 
> On the opposite, the founding of PRC divided China into two parts,
> Mainland and Taiwan. The mismanagement of PRC government under
> Mao made many Chinese people suffered a great difficulty of life
> for many years. Today, under the leadership of Deng, China is on
> the right road and enjoying the highest economic growth rate in
> the world. The living standard has been improved greatly in 
> last 14 years. However, the unification of China still have a
> long way to go.
> 
> Which day is more important to Chinese people? I would like
> to hear the opinions of netters.
> 
> 

	From the way you described both dates, I will choose double-
ten day.  Now let us through away all the political affiliation and 
all related crap.  The Double-Ten day is a day of hope for all 
Chinese people.  It symbolizes then end of Qing or Monarchy oppression,
declared China as a republic and a nation for its people.  Unfortunately
it hasn't turned out that way yet.  Dr. Sun Yat Sen's dream has not
really been realized.  So this date is not only a day of joy for the
people who affiliate themselves with the ROC, but for all Chinese people
around the world.  This day should be associated with freedom and 
commemorate Dr. Sen's dreams, hopes, and achievements.  

- C. H. Yang
> J Chen
> Department of Chemistry
> University of Michigan
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:50:09 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:Favorate Xiao3ren2shu1

> From: aghanda3@uoft02.utoledo.edu
> Subject: Re: Favorate Xiao3ren2shu1
> Date: 14 Oct 92 00:28:40 EST

> In article <9210130123.AA16207@phloem.uoregon.edu>, Tuya@ccmail.uoregon.edu
writes:
> >           One thing I miss in the U.S. is xiao ren shu (XRS).
> >  ........
> >
>         Personally, I think Jiang3Wei2 should be given very high rank,
although
>         he apeared a little bit later in the story.

                     Jian3Wei2 did get very high rank. But seems to me that
                     his promotion was because of Shu3 Zhong1 Wu2 Ren2 and
                     Cuo2 Zi Li3 Mian4 Ba2 Jiang1 Jun1.
                     In terms of both Wu Yi and Mou Lue,he was in secondary
                     class.

                     Actually Xu3 Chu3 gave me a deep  impression.
                     Liu Bei was just a Yin2 Yang4 La4 Qiang1 Tou2.


>         A few other xrs's that should be added to this category include:
>         Yang2Jia1Jiang4 (not those Yang's that are living in Chinese political
>         stage nowadays), etc.

                      Feng1 Shen2 Yan3 Yi4 is good though.

> >
> >           Oh, Xiao3 ren2 shu1,  huang3 ru2 ge2 shi4.
> >
>         Agree. Xiao3 Ren2 Shu1 is definitely better than Da4 Ren2 Shu1 (adult

                     You mean adult only?

>         books). Therefore, Patrick said: ;^)

>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         Give me a Xiao3 Ren2 Shu1 or give death.       -- Patrick Henry
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: dht@cs.mu.OZ.AU (Joyous Dave baby)
Subject: Re: Traditional vs Simplified Characters
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 07:40:23 GMT

ma@cc.usu.edu writes:

>This argument doesn't make any sense. Everyone now knows that "love" and
>any emotion is the result of BRAIN function. Relating "heart" to "love"
>is a misconception by our old folks. By taking "heart" out of the "love"
>only destroys the WRONG meaning of the word. What 's wrong with that?
>Find some better examples, please.

>The function of the heart is to pump the blood. The stomach may be more closely
>related to "love". I did see a person whose stomach hurts whenevr he misses his
>wife.

>A lot of changes might be silly (who cares), but not this one. It only fixed
>the misconception which you still believe very much. We all be stupid
>sometimes.

yes, you've been stupid this time, too.  Make sure you know enough about
the subject before you flame.  Scientists have recently conducted various
experiences, and found that heart beat DOES affect people's emotions, and
are arguing whether the heart and human emotions are indeed linked.  They
used electricity to change people's heart rates, and record their state
of emotions.  Also, scientists also found that there are various functions
of the body, which the heart does INDEPENDANTLY from the Brain; i.e., maybe
the heart does have a mind of its own.  Anyway, I'm just trying to show
you being a smartarse doesn't contribute to a healthy discussion!

dave

-- 
1)-----------------------Rev 6:8 "... They were given authority over a quarter
of the Earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and wild beasts."
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:28071 soc.culture.taiwan:14477 soc.culture.hongkong:12666
From: bl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Bo-Yi Lin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
Subject: Re: Better off under Japanese? (Was Re: Oct. 1 or Oct. 10)
Date: 16 Oct 1992 00:18:42 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: whirlwind.berkeley.edu

	What I heard was that Chiang stripped the island to support the war
effort on mainland.  Those boulevards are gone because the KMT decided the
roads don't have to be that wide and built on top of them.

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"He's dead, Jim."
"But that's impossible!"

Bo-Yi Lin (bl@ocf.berkeley.edu)
Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
University of California at Berkeley
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: zzuo@iastate.edu (Zhiqi Zuo)
Subject: Re: CSS in USA Maybe Become SCRAP HEAP in the Future Chin
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:51:49 GMT

In article <16151@mindlink.bc.ca> Sanyee_Tang@mindlink.bc.ca (Sanyee Tang) writes:
>    In post <1992Oct9.014502.3230@news.iastate.edu> (9 Oct 1992) Zhiqi Zuo
>writes,
>
>> After this incident, we were asked by many friends (Americans, Japanese,
>> Chinese from Taiwan) and American students.  Many Chinese found that
>> the report was at least dishonest to some degree.  What should we say
>> when asked [whether are "Chinese students afraid imprisonment if return"]?
>
>    Just say the truth: a) If you follow CCP's line, a delegate to the
>People's Congress is in reachable distance; b) If you openly voice different
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>opinion, you run into trouble; c) However, between a) and b) there is vast
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I am not afraid of trouble, since I already had too much. :-(

>open space for not only survival but a purposeful life, with a price have
>to pay.  The Proletarian Dictatorship is cracking but doesn't collapse yet.

What a tone! 
I haven't read such a thing for a long time. Did you learn this from
you parents? :-)

Thanks for providing so many choices for me. Yet, I don't know how to 
appreciate them. You know, your first one is too simplistic. Your second
one can hardly be anything. Your third one is too wide and vague to represent 
anything meaningful.

Therefore, I suggest you make your multiple-choice sheet one year later.
If you find it not enough, how about ten years? 

Don't feel discouraged, though. Never quit. Promise me.

(Mostly kidding. Take it a little bit serious.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: "Bad" news
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
  comment: How dare those people betray the "free" world!
  comment: He betrayed the cause of China's "democratic" movement
     comment:  CCP is playing game to hide their "communism" hard line.
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:05:16 GMT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: NGFZH@livid.uib.no
Subject: More specific please
Organization: University of Bergen
Date: 14 Oct 1992 09:48:10 EMT

Hi, friends who posted for looking for someones,
Please specify your information. We cann't get any idea from your info.
and give any help duo to the popular Chinese names, e.g. Zhang San...
Many of them among Chinese people even from same Univ...
ZH
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