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From: eotto@cbnews.cb.att.com (erick.otto)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Problems with compiling 2.4 PL0 on amdahl uts
Keywords: 2.4 Pl0, compile, amdahl
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:07:07 GMT
Organization: AT&T

Hi,
	I am trying to compile 2.4 which I just pulled of ftp.uu.net
	on our amdahl system. I have 2.3 PL11 running right now.

	First one of the header files in hdrs uses void ptrs which my compiler
	does not like!! The file is msgcat.h on line 110.

	Second I get lots of errors when the file lib/ndbz.c tries to compile,
	the first one being that 'size_t' can not be found !!!


	Any hints, has anybody tried to compile elm 2.4 on a amdahl yet. 
	As far as I know all of us guys at AT&T labs use amdahls.

	uname -a returns : uts hvlpa 5.2.6.b 5 5995

	Any help welcome ?????

--
	Erick Otto
	eotto@cbnews.att.com
	eotto@hvlpa.att.com
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: hamjavar@carina.unm.edu (Farid Hamjavar)
Subject: ELM vs PINE
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 06:36:59 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque



Hello mailers :

I am suppose to do a comparison between ELM and PINE (you never heard of
PINE before!!! :-)  This comparison is mostly in terms of functionality
from users' perspective and a bit from maintenance of the mail-program
point of view.

I've got a load of documents to read on ELM but not as much for PINE.

a) Anybody knows where can I get more to read on PINE?
b) I was wondering if I could get even more  info.  by asking if anybody
   has worked with both and could tell me his/her opinion :-)


ThankX

Farid Hamjavar
The guru is inside you.
From: bvaughan@lotka.Princeton.EDU (Barbara Vaughan)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: How to include file in letter
Date: 11 Oct 92 19:44:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Oct11.194423.29039
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Oct11.132342.25604@panix.com> kgs@panix.com (Karen Schneider) writes:
>I've looked through the documentation and STILL can't figure it out;
>how do I send a file from another directory as a piece of mail?  Elm
>keeps chirping that it can't open these other directories (and even
>if it could, I still don't "get it").
>
>For example, I have a file I uploaded, eval.txt, and I want to send
>it to a friend.  In the funky old mail program, I could easily
>use a tilde command (tilde r, for example) to include it within the
>mail as part of my correspondence.  

If you're typing a letter and want to say, "By the way, here's the file I
promised to send you:", then it depends what editor you're using to type
the letter.  In vi, the appropriate command is :r

If you started elm from a different directory from that containing the
file, then you have to specify the path.

>Or there is another command (I
>forget which one) that just sent the file as a piece of mail _in toto_.

At the prompt, you can just type:

elm user@address <eval.txt

>But in elm I feel confused by "folders" and all that.  (I understand
>how to forward pieces of mail; it's the files that make 
>me run back to the dollar prompt to use the old mail program.)

A folder is just a file that contains mail.  Elm uses the mail header
information to separate the file into letters, but the entire folder is a
single file. You can't "open" a nonmail file as a folder, but you should
never need to.

It would help, when you have a question, if you would specify particulars
about the type of system you're running on and, in this case, what editor
you use.
From: johny@cogs.sussex.ac.uk (Lord Yak Da Hairy)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Choice of pagers
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:34:12 GMT
Organization: The Devastating Rear Shot, Inc.

In article <Bvv274.B9p@encore.com> epeterso@encore.com (Eric Peterson) writes:
>It appears that if the message is about 4-5 lines fewer than the number of
>rows that Elm 2.4 will display the message without the pager.  I've got an
>80x24 window with messages of 18, 19, and 23 lines in my box right now.
>The 18- and 19-line messages are displayed without the pager, while the
>23-line message is displayed with the pager.  Under Elm 2.3, all three
>messages are displayed with the pager.

Those of you wanting to remove this behaviour (strictly a hack, of course -
keep a backup for when the next patch comes along :) could try commenting
out the "|| lines < LINES-3" around line 162 of showmsg.c.

Use at your own risk - no responsibility accepted for thermonuclear
explosions or the like...

-- John Yeates (Lord Yak Da Hairy) ---------------- johny@cogs.susx.ac.uk --
-- ...THIS definitely takes, eats and shits the cake. - allane@unsw.oz.au --
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Fixed: ELM 2.4 - no signatures ; no descriptions in elmrc though.
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 02:18:46 GMT

In article <1992Oct8.232314.16447@DSI.COM> syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes:

>In article <BvtsBw.3C5@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens) writes:
>
>>In your elmrc, add this line:
>>
>>signature = ~/.signature
>>
>>It should be in there (in the default elmrc provided for you) but it is not.  I  
>>think that is a bug, but an easy one to fix.
>
>Its not a bug, but a choice, why should we presume you want signatures.

Before making this gripe, I make a caveat: I have not figured out what
parameters (if any) must be set when installing Elm 2.4 to ensure that
either (a) new users of Elm are automatically given an elmrc file, or
(b) that the global elm.rc file is automatically created during
installation.  (In fact, I had to do a "find . -exec grep -s elm\.rc
{} \; -print" before I even figured out where to *put* the damn
thing.)  If either of these problems is my fault, then the following
gripe is unnecessary.  (And if that's the case, I'd love to hear from
someone what I'm doing wrong.)

I don't know why you should presume that we want signatures.  But two
things are clear: (1) it seems more common, these days, to see mail
messages with signatures than without (in fact, "how can I make a
signature" is among the most common questions I hear in my job
supporting VMS), and (2) you *DO* presume that we want signatures, in
doc/elmrc.samp!  Not only that, but you presume the name of our home
directory! :-)

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "You are just naive and repressed because
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  penis envy is here and it's now and it's
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /  all around you." -- Neal C. Wickham
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.unix.aix
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Auto-Wrap Column
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:50:15 GMT

cbarkley@alex (The DarkMage) writes:
>I have my (2.4.0) elm editor set to "none" so that it will "emulate
>the normal mailer."  This works fine except that it now wraps automatically
>when it reaches column x (I haven't bothered to count).  This is a great
>feature which I really like, except for one tiny detail:  x is quite a bit
>less than 80.  Is there some way I can set what column to wrap at?  I
>didn't see anything about it in the .elmrc file.
The person who contributed this feature, apparently set the wrap
column to 70.  (Which isn't bad when the message is printed on paper)
It is a hard coded constant.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL00
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: ake@dayton.saic.com (Earle Ake)
Subject: ELM 2.4 PL2 and incorrect headers
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Organization: Science Applications Intl Corp - Dayton, Ohio
Summary: 
Keywords: 
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 20:37:05 GMT

	I just switched from ELM 2.3 PL11 to ELM 2.4 PL2.  I have noticed
that the headers in the mail messages do not work as before.  For ELM 2.3, I
get the following:

	Subject:
	To:
	Date:
	From:
	X-Mailer:
	Status:

But when using 2.4 PL2 I now get:

	Date:  (this does not have timezone anymore but has -0400)
	From:  (just the username and no FQDN
	Apparently-To:
	Status:

I put some debug statements in mailmsg2.c and the headers are being printed
to the file as far as I can tell.  Where did these headers go and has anyone
else seen this?  I can post my configuration parameters but I think I built
it the same way I did 2.3.


Earle
ake@dayton.saic.com
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.unix.aix
From: tom@bim.itc.univie.ac.at (Tom Kovar)
Subject: Re: elm2.4, AIX
Organization: Inst.of Theor.Chemistry,Univ.of Vienna,Austria
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 10:42:30 GMT

syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes:
: The hints in the readme file, are left over from an earlier version
: of AIX, are what AIX users sent to me.
: 
: So, AIX people, provide me with a new set of intructions for 2.4
: for the README file, and I'll replace them.

  All you need now is just to specify during the Configure-run, that you
need -U__STR__ as compiler parameter for cc. In all other questions you can
take the defaults. Surprising as it is, it compiles and runs. (btw., mind
my first posting about the change of line 40 in curses.c)

  --- so far the reply to Syd. And now some small remarks:

  It has been stated here, that you need -lcurses instaed of -ltermcap; which
is actually not true. I am running with -ltermcap, and am quite satisfied;
but attention - I have already seen AIX systems, where the file /etc/termcap
was missing - in that case, -ltermcap won't work, right. (Even if AIX docu
states something else). All you need in this case is to copy /etc/termcap
from any other machine (needn't be AIX either). Using termcap is, in my
eyes at least, much simpler and transparenter than other terminal control
methods - well, I am biassed in favour of bsd... :-)
  For those who do not find any other solution, I put my /etc/termcap onto
ftp.itc.univie.ac.at:/pub/AIX.

  Have fun,
								Tom
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: Simple problem with printing docs
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Distribution: comp
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:01:49 GMT

syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein) writes:

>sandman@buit52.bu.edu (Dominick M. Galang) writes:
>>I have never been able to get a clean copy of doc/Users.guide to the
>>printer.  My /bin/troff generates useless output for my postscript
>>printer.  Instead, I've tried using both ptroff and psroff.

>Well, I have used the following to format it with no problems:

>Elan eroff	>SunOS old troff	>SVR4 troff	>SCO Xenix troff
>psroff

Add groff and current Sun troff to the list.
-- 
scs:  Tied for last on the Zwicky list with `zwicky'.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Subject: Re: ELM 2.4 PL2 and incorrect headers
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:38:54 GMT

ake@dayton.saic.com (Earle Ake) writes:
>	I just switched from ELM 2.3 PL11 to ELM 2.4 PL2.  I have noticed
>that the headers in the mail messages do not work as before.  For ELM 2.3, I
>get the following:

>	Subject:
this one hasn't changed, it should still be there.  It is here.
>	To:
likewise.

>	X-Mailer:
if you compiled it to produce this, its still there, was a compile option
in 2.3 and 2.4.

>	Status:
this is never is a 'sent' message, only in a stored one.

>But when using 2.4 PL2 I now get:

>	Date:  (this does not have timezone anymore but has -0400)
Correct, we now follow the RFC and put the timezone out in numeric.
We do put the letters in a (comment) following it, if it is defined.

>	Apparently-To:
This is added by the MTA.

>I put some debug statements in mailmsg2.c and the headers are being printed
>to the file as far as I can tell.  Where did these headers go and has anyone
>else seen this?  I can post my configuration parameters but I think I built
>it the same way I did 2.3.
Sounds to me like you didn't.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL02
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: dattier@orac.holonet.net (David `Whybo' Tamkin)
Subject: Re: Fixed: ELM 2.4 - no signatures ; no descriptions in elmrc though.
Organization: Information Access Technologies, Inc. of Berkeley, CA
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 15:53:12 GMT

In article <BvvKqM.MDL@news.dtc.hp.com> peterm@dtc.hp.com (Peter Maxwell)
wrote:

>Further to this, it would be nice if the .signature were appended "silently"
>if the signature =  is set in elmrc.  I find it annoying when I fire up the
>editor to have my .signature file always there.  It simply clutters up the
>message screen.

Well, I feel just the opposite.  I'm glad to have the .signature in the edit
buffer so that, if that particular outgoing letter needs an alteration to my
normal .sig block (such as a temporary address, a private joke, or no .sig at
all because the addressee has seen it dozens of times already) I can make the
appropriate changes.

Unless a future patch or release will add an option to .elmrc for whether the
.sig should appear in the edit buffer or be appended after editing, I think
the current situation is less of a problem for people who feel like Mr. Max-
well than hard-coding his preference would be for people who feel as I do.

In fact, I wish rn operated like elm.  I rarely post from Holonet; on the
sites where I post most of the time, I don't even name my signature file
".signature" because I want inews to ignore it.
-- 

David W. Tamkin   P. O. Box 59297   Northtown Station, Illinois  60659-0297
dattier@{holonet.net|gagme.chi.il.us}  CIS: 73720,1570   MCI Mail: 426-1818
From: becker@med-in.uni-sb.de.med-in.uni-sb.de
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: ELM 2.4 - no signatures, promptafter doesn't work
Keywords: elm
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:52:57 GMT
Organization: Medizinische Universitaetsklinik, D-6650  Homburg / Saar
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Sirs,

I installed ELM 2.4.0 on our Siemens MX500 ( a machine with 6 NS32532
processors equivalent to the SEQUENT BALANCE). 

Elm doesn't include the signature files in the outgoing mail and
asks everytime: i to return to index screen after the pager has done his work.
There is no effect, when I change the variable promptafter in elmrc.

Is this a known bug, or is the "my" bug?
Perhaps You can help me

Thanks

Dieter

--
 Dr. med. dipl.-math Dieter Becker           Tel.: (0 / +49) 6841 - 16 3046
 Medizinische Universitaets- und Poliklinik  Fax.: (0 / +49) 6841 - 16 3369
 Innere Medizin III                         
 D - 6650 Homburg / Saar                     Email: becker@med-in.uni-sb.de
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: gtbutle@srv.PacBell.COM (Gary Butler)
Subject: Re: elm 2.4 and SYSV-style forwarding
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:16:54 GMT

I also have the problem with SYSV forwarding style.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm,comp.sources.bugs
From: rob@pact.nl (Rob Kurver)
Subject: Re: Elm for Esix?
Organisation: PACT, Delft, The Netherlands
Organization: Delft University of Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 08:12:59 GMT

In <8OCT199222493807@cnsvax.uwec.edu> tannerrj@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Power = 486 + HST Dual Standard) writes:

>Has anyone ported elm to Esix (sysv/bsd combo for 386+)? If not
>can anyone answer my question as to why elm says all the mail
>boxes are corrupt and unreadable, even the the test/test.mail?
>Thanks.

I've `ported' it to Esix 5.3.2D:  Configure, compile and run.  Fixed one
locking problem in filter (in filter/lock.c, look for an open with
O_RDONLY mode, and change the mode to O_RDWR).  Works like a charm.

BTW, does there exist a nice overview of changes since 2.3 (e.g. aliasing),
so I don't have to print the docs and find the differences?

Cheers. - Rob
--
     PACT                   Rob Kurver
    Foulkeslaan 87         rob@pact.nl
   2625 RB Delft     ph: +31 15 616864 
  The Netherlands   fax: +31 15 610032
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: andy@ice.stx.com (Andy Moore)
Subject: Re: elm2.4PL0 problems on HP-UX 8.07
Reply-To: andy@ian.stx.com
Organization: Hughes STX, Lanham, MD
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:49:14 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.114443.9205@irfu.se>, bt@irfu.se (Bo Thide') writes:
}
}I just compiled and installed elm 2.4 on my HP Snake (9000/720) running
}HP-UX 8.07.  The immediate problems I have observed are:
}
}1.  elm -K no longer works in an hpterm X window (it did in elm 2.3 PL11).
}
...
}I am not at all convinced the above necessarily are due to elm2.4 bugs
}but I would be interested in hearing from other HP-UX users who have already
}acquired experience with elm2.4 to compare behaviour.

Okay, we're running elm 2.3 PL11 on a 9000/730 running HP-UX 8.07, and
we can't get the -K option to work for hpterm.  So it may very well be
something other than 2.4...  Help this helps...

-- 
Andy Moore (andy@ice.stx.com)
______________________________________________________________________________
 "...fish live in water.  If one understands water one understands fish.
  And it is by craving water that one comes to understand it.  Hence, to
  learn to fish, go to the desert and stay there.  When the seizures and
  hallucinations start, you'll be amazed at what you'll learn!"
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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: damin@hopper.cba.csuohio.edu (Greg Boehnlein)
Subject: Ctrl-@ signs corrupting mail file
Followup-To: Nothing, really...
Keywords: ELM
Organization: Cleveland State University, Cleveland, Ohio
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:01:56 GMT

	Occsionally my ELM system here at CSU will return a corrputed file
error and refuse to read the mail file. It happens sporadically, and I can't
figure out why. Up to now, my solution has been to load $MAIL into E-macs and
kill the first VERY long line of Ctrl-@ symbols that appear. Once that is done,
I can save the file, exit EMACS and ELM will work just fine. The line of 
Ctrl-@ symbols usually fills up half the page of my Emacs screen. I'd say that
there are probably 250 of them.  

	Is this a common problem with ELM? Or is this info in the FAQ? Is there possibly a patch for this? Or should we recompile ELM? 


Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: clayh+@MUDLHEAD.NETWORK.COM (Clayton Haapala)
Subject: Elm 2.4 aliases under MACH 2.5 (OSF/1)
Keywords: aliases ndbz binary
Organization: Network Systems Corporation
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 16:56:43 GMT

On this DECstation 5000 (pmax) running MACH 2.5 from CMU, which is pretty close
to OSF/1, the alias code doesn't open the alias files successfully.  Turns out
the system libraries object to open calls with "r+b" or "rb" (b is for binary).
Removing the "b" from the open specifications in lib/ndbz.c makes it work fine.

First system I've seen with THAT problem.

-- 
Clayton Haapala	(clayh@network.com)	
Network Systems Corp.			"And if you have any better ideas,
7625 Boone Ave N MS10			 well, I'm all ears." -- Ross Perot
Minneapolis, MN 55428-1099
From: syd@DSI.COM (Syd Weinstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: ispell and elm2.4
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:17:59 GMT
Reply-To: syd@DSI.COM
Organization: Datacomp Systems, Inc.  Huntingdon Valley, PA

wayne@gbrmpa.gov.au (Wayne Amisano) writes:
>i have noticed that elm 2.4 doesn't include the subject line when
>doing a spell check of the message.  does anyone have a fix for this.
Nope, and I doubt there will be one.  We run ispell on the 'send'
temporary file.  And in Elm 2.x, the headers are not part of the
message so they are not in the send file, and are not spell checked.
-- 
========================================================================
Sydney S. Weinstein, CDP, CCP          Elm Coordinator - Current 2.4PL00
Datacomp Systems, Inc.                 Projected 3.0 Release: ??? ?,1994
syd@DSI.COM or dsinc!syd      Voice: (215) 947-9900, FAX: (215) 938-0235
From: poosala@cs.wisc.edu (Viswanath Poosala)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Stupid .sig tricks
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:43:23 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

Hi,In article <1669@frackit.UUCP>, dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe) writes:
|> 
|>  In article <1992Sep28.145218.22863@Princeton.EDU>, spencer@fish.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
|>  > >What about more than one sig file? I have my elmrc pointing
|>  > >to .signature and use a random select in my .profile to pick one of
|>  > >the several .sign.nnnnn files and move it to .signature. This gives me
|>  > >a "random" sig every time I log in.
|> 

|> I utilize the 'fortune' unix program to provide a local sig for my mail.
|> I have a cron job that hourly does a simple:
|> 


    I have created my .sig file as a named pipe (using mkfifo). There is a shell
script blocked on trying to write to this "file". When I am sending
a mail, the shell pgm unblocks and writes a fortune/current time etc onto
the .sig pipe. This is read by .elm.

					-Vishy
PS: I just subscribed to this group and hence the belated follow-up. 
Apol if the issue has been long dead.
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