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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.arabic,talk.politics.mideast
From: ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Subject: Re: Mr. Ghaly is the right man in the right place.
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:41:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.221527.22233@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:

>I think the best solution might be some compromise, whereby a country
>gets X votes, where X is the GNP of the country times the number of
>people.
>
one measure of wealth of the people in a country is GNP/#people
So you are proposing a number of votes proportional to the wealth
of the people and to the square of the # of people. Under this
criterion the United Nation will still be the same: The U.S, China
and maybe India will have the most votes.. Giving India more votes
will only make the UN worse.

As an aside about Ghaly:
1)The existence of this type of person within the coptic community
is the main reason there is a conflict between Upper Egypt Muslims and
Copts. The Copts are willing to ally themselves with a criminal government
instead of the moderate opposition, Attacking innocents is deplorable
in all circumstances, but it is done by the government far more than the
masked "alleged Muslims" who might as well be government agents in the first
place (was there any fair trial?)

2)the head of the UN can serve as a neutral honorary figure, or can use his
diplomatic position to influence the flow of things or  to provide moral
support and legitimacy to superpower decisions. He has done that to Russia
(he encouraged them to oppose military intervention). 

3) I would say that anybody who has served in one of the criminal Arab 
governments has no credibility whatsoever, putting such a person as the 
head of the UN show a lot about the credibility and the morality of the 
UN in this NWO.


=============================================================
Modified Murphy's first law of realistic probability:
If it can happen, it will happen...
Unless of course "it" is a good thing.
::::::::::::::********************************:::::::::::::::
Ilyess Ben Ali Bdira    Montreal Quebec  Canada
E-mail ilyess@ECE.concordia.CA, benali@alcor.concordia.CA
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:10:49 CST
From: <U52148@uicvm.uic.edu> (Chicago Cro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Proposed map of divided Bosnia-Hercegovina
 <1993Jan6.030520.29596@walter.bellcore.com>

In article <1993Jan6.030520.29596@walter.bellcore.com>, ddc@nyquist.bellcore.com
(Daniel Chukurov 21324) says:
>
I saw the map in question on "The Macneil/Lehrer news hour"
The Croats would get Bosanska posavina, Kupres, Tom-grad, Livno, and
that stretch of southern Bosna that we have would be another region.

The Cro muslims would get Bihac, The travnik region, and eastern Bosnia.
The fascists would get Banja Luka, Pale, Eastern Herzegovina, and Bjeljina.

I also find it intresting that for the first time in 500 years, Hercegovina
will have self rule. By the way,  Hercegovina would be everything up to and
including Ravno, It looks like we may even get parts of Ljubinje
and Nevesinje. Yes, Stolac is included as well. I would rather have
ALL of eastern Hercgovina included, but it is not possibe...yet.

-Cro

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: sommar@enea.se (Erland Sommarskog)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Chicago Tribune
Date: 10 Jan 93 19:18:12 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

>Subject: An article on Bosnia from the Chicago Tribune (from Haluk)
> This article is written by Leslie H. Gelb.
>
> The day will soon come when two groups of leaders
> are charged with crimes against humanity in Bosnia:
> the Serbs who are killing Muslims and driving them
> from their homes, and the Western leaders who are do-
> ing little to stop this unspeakable brutality.
>   The Serbian policy of "ethnic cleansing" is worse
> than a crime; it is evil.
>   The West's failure to confront this evil is worse than
> a blunder; it is an abdication of our humanity.

Fine. But the Muslims and Croats in Bosnia-Hercegovina who seceeded
despite the obvious consequences are so sweetly innocent.

Kardzic & co are crooks, no doubt, but accussing The West for not
be able to handle other's people complete lack of sense and civila-
zation, is complete - pardon my French - bullshit. The people
responsible for fighting the war are those who are fighting it,
not those who are not.

>   Bush administration officials and Western European
> leaders also tell us that sending 30,000 U.S. forces to
> Somalia is acceptable, though "merely humanitarian,"
> because the task there is "easy."
>   On the other hand, they say that applying more force
> to stop genocide in Bosnia is "too hard" and will draw
> us into a quagmire.
>
>   This argument is both grotesque and absurdly mis-
> leading. Grotesque because combatting evil cannot
> simply be dismissed as "too hard."

But supporting folly is something we always should do? This
Leslie Gelb is another person calling for war, not for peace.
And war is nothing but "evil".

With this sort of reasoning, as soon as some tiny region tries to
breakaway from its cruel dictator, The West would be supposed to 
come to rescue. Forget it. The West power and mightness does not
deprive you the responsibility of your own actions.

If The West is to intervene military in Bosnia-Hercegovina, Croats,
Muslims and Serbs should be all considered enemies and the goal
should be to establish a UN protectorate. I'm sad to say but
the people there does not seem to be competent to rule them-
selves any more. Only kill each other.
-- 
Erland Sommarskog - ENEA Data, Stockholm - sommar@enea.se
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: arnsenad@me.utoronto.ca (Senad Arnautovic)
Subject: Re: Proposed map of divided Bosnia-Hercegovina
Organisation: U of Toronto, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering
Organization: UofT Mechanical Engineering
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:58:07 GMT

blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R) writes:

>In Geneva, Owen showed his map to reporters.  Has any print media
>produced a facsimilie of this map?  I'd like to know what the 
>cementhead Boban put his signature to.

>/Joe Blazic

I haven't seen it anywhere...
But, Joe, don't worry, these maps are just for Mr. Owen and Vance.
In a near future the only map that matters is the map that shows
internationally recognized external boundaries.
It is important to survive this winter...

Regards
Senad H. Arnautovic
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
From: ccat@netcom.com (Chris Beaumont)
Subject: Need for FAQ describing aid resources for B-H exists.
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:28:41 GMT

If there are people reading this newsgroup who have access to lists
of addresses of organizations that are trying to lobby various governments,
channel aid,and publiscize the plight of the people of the ex-Yugoslavian
state,would they be so kind as to post them,or maybye cooperate in putting
together a quick and dirty list of legislators to write demanding immediate
action,not more words,on Bosnia-Hergezovina.While we sit and talk,thousands
are dying.This is one USENET user who turned to this newsgroup looking for
concrete information here that might serve to help the people there..but 
there is precious little.I cant help but think about the situation at the 
beginning of World War II where the various fat and rich people of the world
spoke the language of appeasement that only encouraged Hitler in his
wholesale rape of humanity.The UN and the various world organizations are
only playing into the hands of this evil Milosevic (sp?) and his henchmen
... The time to action should be measured in days,not weeks.The criminals
must not be allowed time to cover up all the evidence of genocide,kill all
the prisoners who might talk, etc...  The recent murder of the Bosnian
official who was supposedly under UN 'protection' shows the true situation
clearly. 


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From: fall217@cse.unl.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Mr. Ghaly is the right man in the right place.
Date: 7 Jan 1993 22:26:46 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu


FUTURE OF UN
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It is time that UN should be burried in the crimes, which it has commited 
since the begining of its formation.  It starts with the creiation  of Israel
and continiu even today.  

In Afghanistan it is tring to spread anachi to put Najib back in power.  
Who have given the right to protect a war criminal within the country.
Najib is the modle ruler insight of the UN.  UN protect crocked and forcefull
rulers of 3rd world even there own people have rejected them.

It is a tool of so called civilized world to explpoite the poors of 3rd 
world.  It is the proof of hypocrecy of so called democretic countries.
Even if the jonral assembly have voted for some thing with overwilliminglly
security council dose not accept that.  Only one country ( USA France UK 
China Rassia) can null the verdict of the world.  Why? 

Charge sheet of UN is very long, blood of innocent people which are killed
because of this organization's ineffeciancy is enough to red the UN
buildings all over the world.
UN is the wolf under the lamb's wool.  It has not solved half of that many 
problems then it has created.  It has not save half of that many lives 
than it has created.

so it is not the B.Galli( with the respected meaning in urdu) is not some
thing more than a small part of this eveil empire.
 
ith regarts,
syed agha saeed naqvi

e
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From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Mr. Ghaly is the right man in the right place.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 14:10:25 GMT
Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.

fall217@cse.unl.edu () writes:
> It is time that UN should be burried in the crimes, which it has commited 
> since the begining of its formation.  It starts with the creiation  of Israel
> and continiu even today.  

I spy with my little eye... CARASSO bait.


mathew
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:1131 soc.culture.croatia:336
From: chao6@husc11.harvard.edu (James Chao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.brazil,soc.culture.british
Subject: World Model United Nations Conference in Prague
Date: 12 Jan 93 07:22:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan12.022237.19214
Distribution: world
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

To all those interested in international relations, politics, and the
United Nations -- WorldMUN is a great forum for the discussion of 
current issues being debated by the United Nations today: 

Harvard World Model United Nations (WorldMUN) is an international
conference that brings together university students and young
professionals from around the globe to siimulate the workings of the
United Nations.  The second annual WorldMUN conference will be held from
March 28, 1993, through March 31, 1993, at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
Czechoslovakia.  

Ten committees, representing the General Assembly, Economic and Social
Council, and Specialized Agencies of the United Nations, will discuss
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In this era of momentous political change, WorldMUN seeks to assess the
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truly international simulated United Nations where participants play the
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tomorrow's leaders about the United Nations and its methods of conflict
resolution.  It aims to foster skills in negotiation and debate, in order
that delegates may formulate resolutions on topics currently discussed in
the real United Nations.  These resolutions will be sent to the actual
United Nations committees.

WorldMUN 1993 will take place at the Hotel Diplomat in Prague,
Czechoslovakia.  The Hotel Diplomat is Prague's most modern conference
center.  Prague is both one of the most beautiful metropoles of Europe and
an ideal location for debating current world politics and the changing
role of the United Nations.

The Hotel diplomat is a luxury resort that offers restaurants, shops, a
night club, and fitness and spa equipment.  Delegates will stay at the
Hotel Diplomat for the reduced rate of 130DM/day double occupancy, which
includes two meals a day.

Delegate registration is $US60 per delegate.  For more information, please
reply to this e-mail address or write/fax:
Joshua A. Salomon, Secretary-General
Harvard World Model United Nations 1993
Suite 23, 1430 Massachusetts Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02138-3810
UNITED STATES

Telephone:  001-617-493-6995
Fax:  001-617-493-6995

James Chao
chao6@husc.harvard.edu
From: dewon@infopls.chi.il.us (Croatian cultural cen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: hello from the Croatian Cultural Center !!!
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 15:10:57 CST
Organization: INFOPLUS support, Wheeling, IL

Dobar dan iz Hrvatskog Kulturnog Centar !!!!!




--
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From: mirza@vxcrna.cern.ch (MIRZA,I./EP)
Subject: Re: Mr. Ghaly is the right man in the right place.
Summary: Think again!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 11:17:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.093307.936@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad) writes...
>In article <1993Jan5.221527.22233@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
>>
>>I think the best solution might be some compromise, whereby a country
>>gets X votes, where X is the GNP of the country times the number of
>>people.
>>
>>
>>just some thoughts...
> 
>For the U.S., that would be approximately 1,350,000,000,000,000,000,000 votes.
> 
>good luck counting the ballots.
> 
>Tamer Abdelgawad
	
	I think we can solve this problem by considering;

				       1/Area in sq km
        [1,350,000,000,000,000,000,000]

Mirza Ilyas
From: inc@tc.fluke.COM (Gary Benson)
Subject: Re: Mr. Ghaly is the right man in the right place.
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:07:40 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.221527.22233@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:
>jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan) writes:
>>
>>The UN in its present form is starkly undemocratic and has the status
>>merely of a council of nations where power determines their role in
>>its fuctioning.
>
>How the UN should be structured is an interesting question.  Simply
>having each country vote is not democratic, as china should be given
>more voting power than belgium.  Further, having it by population it
>tricky for two reasons.  One, a chinese-indian coalition could do what
>ever it wanted.  And two, making the voting dependent on the number of
>people in the country is not democratic unless the country is
>democratic and the people can set the policy of the country.
>
>I think the best solution might be some compromise, whereby a country
>gets X votes, where X is the GNP of the country times the number of
>people.
>
>
>just some thoughts...


I have nothing to add here, I just like saying "Boutros Boutros-Ghali".
-- 
Gary Benson   -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-inc@sisu.fluke.com_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-

Those who will be able to conquer software will be able to
conquer the world.  -Tadahiro Sekimoto, President, NEC Corp.
From: ddc@nyquist.bellcore.com (Daniel Chukurov 21324)
Subject: Re: Proposed map of divided Bosnia-Hercegovina
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 03:05:20 GMT

In article <C0EFKv.LFz@me.utoronto.ca> arnsenad@me.utoronto.ca (Senad Arnautovic) writes:
>blazic@ecf.toronto.edu (BLAZIC Joseph R) writes:
>
>>In Geneva, Owen showed his map to reporters.  Has any print media
>>produced a facsimilie of this map?  I'd like to know what the 
>>cementhead Boban put his signature to.
>
>>/Joe Blazic
>
>I haven't seen it anywhere...
>But, Joe, don't worry, these maps are just for Mr. Owen and Vance.
>In a near future the only map that matters is the map that shows
>internationally recognized external boundaries.
>It is important to survive this winter...
>
>Regards
>Senad H. Arnautovic

Try the Sunday, January 3, 1993 issue of The New York Times, (page 6).
Of course this is just a working, preliminary division subject to negotiation.

Hope that helps.

DDC
Xref: sparky soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna:1106 soc.culture.arabic:6349 soc.culture.pakistan:19301 talk.bizarre:43897
From: robert@aero.org (R. S. Statsinger)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Mr. Ghaly is the right man in the right place.
Date: 7 Jan 1993 22:45:55 GMT
Organization: Your Guess Is As Good As Mine...
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: halcyon.aero.org

In article <1iian6INNkp9@crcnis1.unl.edu> fall217@cse.unl.edu () writes:
|
|FUTURE OF UN
|^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|
|It is time that UN should be burried in the crimes, which it has commited 
|since the begining of its formation.  It starts with the creiation  of Israel
|and continiu even today.  
|
|In Afghanistan it is tring to spread anachi to put Najib back in power.  
|Who have given the right to protect a war criminal within the country.
|Najib is the modle ruler insight of the UN.  UN protect crocked and forcefull
|rulers of 3rd world even there own people have rejected them.
|
|It is a tool of so called civilized world to explpoite the poors of 3rd 
|world.  It is the proof of hypocrecy of so called democretic countries.
|Even if the jonral assembly have voted for some thing with overwilliminglly
|security council dose not accept that.  Only one country ( USA France UK 
|China Rassia) can null the verdict of the world.  Why? 
|
|Charge sheet of UN is very long, blood of innocent people which are killed
|because of this organization's ineffeciancy is enough to red the UN
|buildings all over the world.
|UN is the wolf under the lamb's wool.  It has not solved half of that many 
|problems then it has created.  It has not save half of that many lives 
|than it has created.
|
|so it is not the B.Galli( with the respected meaning in urdu) is not some
|thing more than a small part of this eveil empire.
| 
|ith regarts,
|syed agha saeed naqvi

Roger, is that you?
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 11:38:22 CST
From: <U15231@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: Wickerhauser:Even more of a liar!

In article <1993Jan12.160527.203455@uctvax.uct.ac.za>, snggab01@uctvax.uct.ac.za
says:
>
>So to all of you who have read the postings on Victor's Yale sources,he has
>been exposed as a fascist liar.Shut your big mouth Victor,you're a fraud !
>
>--
>----------------------------------------------
>University of Cape Town, South Africa
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Power comes from the barrel of a gun - Mao Tse Tung
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
And your "courage" comes from the power of anonymous posting. Coward!!!

Zlatko Sijercic

>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan
From: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Subject: Re: Mr. Ghaly is the right man in the right place.
Reply-To: jakhan@IASTATE.EDU (Javed Ahmed Khan)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 20:32:25 GMT



That no secretary general worth his salt has any real power should be plain to
any one who knows anything about the structure of the UN. The UN in its present
form is starkly undemocratic and has the status merely of a council of nations
where power determines their role in its fuctioning. Its obvious that the
general assembly has no real role in formulating policy decisions which are
made solely by the representatives of the permanent members in the Security
Council. My Ghali is powerless. If real democracy is to be ushered into the
UN, the first step should be the scrapping of the permanent members with 
veto powers at the very least. 

--Javed.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna,soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.pakistan