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From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cyclones lie down, play dead (was Re: Big 8 predi
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:38:35 -0500
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In-reply-to: scott@mccall.com's message of Tue, 15 Dec 1992 07:59:45 CST

}} In article <1992Dec15.075945@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
}} 
}} In article <michaelv.724363365@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu>, michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon) writes:
}} >charging calls when the defender was sliding into place and didn't
}} >even have both feet on the floor;
}} 
}} I think the NCAA has changed this so that the defender doesn't have
}} to be "set" to take a charge.

Correct.  The defender must establish position(*), but not necessarily
have his feet set.

(*) or be from Duke.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu                 Steve Chapin                 ...!purdue!sjc
    loose == set free; lose == misplace, or fail to win, gain, or obtain
         their is possessive; there is a place; they're == they are

       "A man has made at least a start on discovering the meaning of
       human life when he plants shade trees under which he knows full
                 well he will never sit."  (Elton Trueblood)
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From: jfc3348@u.cc.utah.edu (John F. Conroy)
Subject: Re: Bobby Hurley
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center Student Mail Machine
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 22:56:06 GMT

In article <8100@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>In article <57385@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>>running cross country and playing
>>basketball require different types of stamina. Training for hoops by running
>>cross country is pointless, you are a lot better off running a series of
>>short(90 feet or less) sprints or just running liners. 
>
>Hmm...this is very interesting.  The question is, would cross-country training
>hurt a basketball player? I know that Philly's Simon Gratz high school 
>(where Rasheed Wallace goes) requires its hoops team to be on the cross-
>country team.  Apparently, Hurley over the summer ran through the normal 
>sprint drills, and afterwards had his own personal workout, including cross
>country stuff.  The man just never needs to take a breath.
>
>>I also go him to let us shoot free
>>throws in scrimmages so we would get gamestyle freethrows(ie. when you
>>are tired or just got fouled hard).
>
>This is exactly what Duke does.  It also provides a good cool-down session
>after a hard practice, but at the same time makes you still keep your mind
>on basketball.
>	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
>"Cherokee did a good job at being big."--Thomas Hill, on Duke's center vs Mich.
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Subject: Re: Big 8 predictions(was Re: Rainbow Classic, De
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 08:39:56 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
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In article <michaelv.724114220@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu>, michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon) writes:
>Even though I intensely dislike the Schmuckeyes and think they're
>over-rated, it still doesn't take away from the fact that they're a
>good, hard-playing team, and will be a tough challenge.
>
I'm a state of Iowa fan.  But, from the highlights I saw, it looks
like the Cyclones got beaten badly.  What's your comments on the
game?
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From: krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: PAC-10: tough weekend
Date: 11 Dec 92 15:26:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

In article <57266@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <27805@optima.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell) writes:
>>position to match up with any Pac-10 team. Wait until you see this kid
>>Geary - geez the best guard that Arizona has right now - quick, relatively
>>tall (by arizona guard standards) and with slick moves - he had almost
>>as many minutes as reeves and stoudamire and if they continue to play
>
>I have seen Geary. He played for Mater Dei last year in the state finals
>against St. Josephs and Jason Kidd. Kidd was clearly the better player,
>and has really improved his shot since then too. geary is a great athlete
>but he had no outside shot when I saw him, has he improved in that area?

(I'm confident that Gary will post his 3-pt shooting stats, so that leaves 
the emotionalism to me.)

First of all, being the second best guard to Jason Kidd would seem to be 
a very good thing to me, especially when Mater Dei runs the same style of 
defense as we do here at Arizona.  Secondly, Geary is something like 
"several of many" shooting 3-pointers.  My memory says something like 
3 of 5, or 4 of 6 or 7 (in two games).  He has indeed improved his outside 
shot, unless he simply had a bad game when you saw him.  Keep in mind, also, 
that Geary is not the backup shooter.  We have some very good shooters coming 
off the bench (Rigdon, Johns).  Reggie is in there for his defensive 
tenacity.

Ted

-- 
So the Maples formed a union, and demanded equal rights, "The Oaks are just 
too greedy.  We will make them give us light!"  Now there's no more Oak 
oppression, for they passed a noble law.  And the trees are all kept equal, 
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From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: Not UPenn -- Princeton
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: 18 Dec 92 00:17:12 GMT

micah@ravl.rice.edu (Micah Samuel Rosen) writes:

>The Princeton v NCState game is the one I had in mind
>on that Penn v NCState request.

If I remember correctly from this morning's paper:
  Princton 51, NC State 40.

Oooof.
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From: jmk.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Jim Kirkman)
Subject: No-Rodney and the Rams
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:43:20 GMT

Going over to W-S tonite to catch the Deacs and the Rhode Island
>Rams game (father-in-law is URI grad). Anybody have info on the 
>Rams and what dey got? Should be an interesting game if for no
>other reason than it's Charlie Harrison's first game as a Deac.
>I know the deac fans are eagerly awaiting his arrival. For 
>their sake I hope he can do more in the long run than the last
>G'town tranfer did for them! 
>Hopefully that damn deacon fight song won't make me gag!!
>I'll report on the goings on tomorrow. 
>In the meantime go HEELS.
>
>L.P.
>
 Well, the Deacs won but it was seriously in doubt until the very
end. If the Rams take better care of the ball the last 4 min. they
win. They had a great zone press that really disrupted the Deacs, 
something like 17 turnovers in first half, at the 11:00 minute mark
in the first half the score was 7 to 6. To Odom's credit (and he 
wasn't getting much from the Deacon loyalists) they made a number
of adjustments at half that helped em take much better care of the
ball. 
Rogers was basically a no show. The Rams strategy was obviously to 
make sure Rodney didn't incite any riots (although the refs almost
did!) with any jam-burgers (insert credit to T. Sutter here). As a
result the personal fouls really piled up but URI had enough bodies
that it didn't really hurt them. Only one short stretch where 
Rodney was able to get the ball down on the blocks and score. Most
of the guys they put on him were quick but kinda scrawny so the 
big guy tried to be intimidator and got caught too many times,
fouled out with 7 left. He just didn't play with any fire in
his eyes.
Even with all the lapses it was a good win for the Deacs. Harrison
is a keeper although his on the ball defense was pretty weak and
didn't do much distributing the ball he can definitely fill it up!
What he'll need to do as much as anything is help keep Childress in 
the game. The Chill obviously felt like he had to do it all offensively
and really took some boneheaded shots, especially late in the game
when they needed some intelligent decision making,
Biggest plusses outside of Harrison were 'Scooter' Banks (hit four 
clutch free-throws down the stretch) and the frosh Ken (Richey) Rich.
6-10 with good co-ordination and got some clutch rebounds. Raw as all
get-out but has po. Now who on Odum's staff can develop his post skills?

I was impressed with URI's game plan and coach (Al Skinner I think).
Kept his cool and had all his timeouts when he needed them at the end.
Evidently Odum spent a good part of the post game press mtg trying to 
convince everyone URI is a good team. Someone told me today URI was 
actually favored, is that true?

One last comment, Joel/Memorial is a really nice bldg. for b-ball.
Good size but still intimate (especially from row K!) and can get loud,
especially when venting spleen at the refs.


L.P.


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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: duke/unc coexistence
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:44:11 GMT

In article <Bz3yB4.EoB@apollo.hp.com> Stuart "Switzerland" Troutman writes:
>
>Yes, it IS possible to live in the heart of the NC Triangle and manage to
>live peacefully and happily with the Duke-UNC rivalry. In fact, I'd say it's
>more fun to have such a high-level of basketball competition in such a small
>area. I was a Carolina student, living in the same dorm as the team, and I 
>simultaneously worked at the radio station on Duke's East Campus that carried
>Duke bb games. I knew people at both schools (and over at NC State, for that
>matter), so I was able to go to games at both Cameron Indoor Stadium and the 
>old Carmichael Auditorium (this was pre-Dome days). I also frequented both
>the Chapel Hill bar that Tar Heel players would slip into and the Durham bar
>where one would find various Blue Devils. I even had a Duke girlfriend for a
>while (a little Montague-Capulet scenario). I wouldn't trade it. 
> (here's the kicker)
>Sure, bring 
>on a Duke-UNC NCAA Final. What a blast. The action would never stop around
>there. It'd easily be the biggest news story in the state.

NEVER!  Don't ever put conference rivals in a final game like that, as it
would ruin the entire rivarly for the next 20 or 30 years.  Say Indiana played
Purdue in an NCAA final, and Purdue won.  The Hoosiers could be the number one
team in the nation and not lose to Purdue for the next ten years, and all the
Purdue fans would still be shouting, "What about that NCAA Final, eh?"  Same
with Duke and UNC. It would cast a shadow on the rivalry so great that it
would nearly destroy it.  I was so happy that UNC didn't make it to the final
game in 1991, just for the sake of the future of this matchup.  Just make it
a great game like it usually is and move on.

>                                                  -stuart@apollo.hp.com




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From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Cajundome and US(w)L as Duke...
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:25:52 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Dec18.153642.18247@samba.oit.unc.edu>, Curt.Hill@launchpad.unc.edu (Curt Hill) writes:
>Glad you reminded me, Rob.  I forgot to mention that I thought the SW
>Louisiana fans were some of the loudest, most obnoxious, and unknowledgable
>I'd heard in a while, which makes the Cajundome a lot like Cameron, too.

How could you tell whether or not a **crowd** is knowledgable? Did they cheer
when LMU scored or something?
  And you talk about a crowd being loud and obnoxious as though it were a
**bad** thing.....:-)
  The Dean Dome may have sound absorbers, but I imagine Carmichael had its
loud days too.
  USL (thanks Nelson, for that correction.  Just a typo...I remember the crowd
chanting "USL" at various points) should be in the NCAA's again.
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Cherokee did a good job at being big."--Thomas Hill, on Duke's center vs Mich.
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From: ress@bnr.ca (David Ress P040)
Subject: Re: What the hell is a Hoya?
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, BNR-RTP 
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:08:35 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.190531.11568@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, piz@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (G G ZIPFEL) writes:
|> 
|> 	A Friend sent this to me:
|> 
|> A co-worker (the boss's wife) is apparently in a heated debate with others in
|> the building.  She wants to know what a Hoya is, as in Georgetown Hoya.  I
|> guess the person she's arguing with says it doesn't mean anything.  I was
|> pretty sure you would know or could find out.  A quick reply would be
|> appreciated.  Thanks.
|> 
|> 

I do believe a Hoya is some type of bulldog.  To check, I consulted
Webster's II - New Riverside Dictionary, but Hoya was not there.
I'm sure a Georgetown fan will be along soon to clear this up.


|> 	So, what is it? HE says his job depends on it.
|> -- 
|> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|> Zip   Steelers in 92!          | Illinois Basketball: More three point 
|>       Bubby's Back!!!!         | shooters than you can shake a stick at!
|> "I didn't lose, the Team lost" - Coach
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From: foerster@batgirl.rtp.dg.com (Mike Von Foerster)
Subject: Re: georgetown beats everyone
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 17:41:37 GMT
Reply-To: foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com
Organization: Data General Corp., Research Triangle Park, NC
Keywords: othella harrington

In article <holmess.4.0@columbia.dsu.edu>, holmess@columbia.dsu.edu (STEVE W HOLMES) writes:
|> GEORGETOWN BEATS EVERYONE IN THE BIG EAST I GUESS THEY FARE WELL.
|>   OTHELLA HARRINGTON WILL BE THE NEXT PAT EWING AND ALONZO MOURNING ALL IN 
|> ONE.  HOW WILL SYRACUSE DEAL WITH THAT.  OH BY THE WAY SYRACUSE WONT BE 
|> INVITED TO THE NATIONAL TOURNEY.  THE HAVE TO CHEAT TO GET THE GOOD PLAYERS.

Yea, but at least they turn their damn caps-lock key off.

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From: rjm1@acpub.duke.edu (ROBERT MACKENNA)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Kentucky MASH'ed Louisville
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:10:18 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

>whg@acpub.duke.edu (WILLIAM GAY) writes:
>>it!  Most of the people using this net don't even remember who
>>was on your last championship team.  It has been so long that it
>>doesn't even bug us down here in Durham that it was us you beat!

Speak for yourself, bub.

With the holiday season almost upon us, I'd like to offer all of you a
traditional Irish blessing:

"May the road rise up to meet you, may the wind be always at your back,
and may Jim Bain rot in hell for all his transgressions against the
basketball world -- one in particular."

- "Young" Rob Mac K



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From: csroc@dime.prime.com (Charles Sroczynski x4014 5-2)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Michigan doesn't play as a team
Date: 11 Dec 92 22:50:28 GMT
Reply-To: csroc@dime.UUCP (Charles Sroczynski x4014 5-2)
Organization: Prime Computervision, Bedford MA


Correct me if I'm wrong but...
Michigan loses a game to a very strong team
whose point guard has the game of his life,
and many people are questioning Steve Fishers
ability to coach, Michigan's ability to play
as a team rather than as individuals, Chris
Webbers hustle. Come on people, it's one game;
If Michigan gets blown out of the water by
Dean Smith's overrated group from NC, I could
understand all the gripes, but not because of
a loss to Duke  where they could have won with 
just a few breaks here or there.
From: cpsigd01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Sagarin's NCAA Division I rating (top 25)
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:15:21 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Dec10.155637.175@brtph560.bnr.ca>, markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
> 
> Here are the top 25 teams in Sagarin's rating.
> 
> 
>  No   Team             Rating  Record  Sched.Strength
>  --   --------------   ------  ------  --------------
>  01   North Carolina   101.91   3-0       73.12
>  02   Duke              95.68   3-0       66.97
>  03   Cincinnati        95.07   1-0       63.31
>  04   Kansas            94.55   2-0       86.56
>  05   Missouri          92.03   1-0       73.12
>  06   Oklahoma          95.73   2-0       71.70
>  07   Ohio State        95.67   2-0       73.60
>  08   Indiana           95.54   4-1       81.09
>  09   Houston           95.23   1-0       82.57
>  10   Iowa              95.05   3-0       61.75
>  11   Michigan St.      89.10   1-1       68.47
>  12   Arkansas          89.03   3-0       76.38
>  13   Marquette         88.66   3-0       62.30
>  14   UNLV              88.64   1-0       82.17
>  15   Louisville        88.38   1-0       91.35
>  16   Nebraska          87.99   3-0       61.01
>  17   Virginia          87.80   2-0       75.71
>  18   Stanford          87.72   3-0       66.24
>  19   Kentucky          87.52   2-0       74.40
>  20   Michigan          87.40   2-1       85.16
>  21   Purdue            87.07   3-0       76.31
>  22   Arizona           87.05   0-1       84.53
>  23   Rhode Island      85.94   2-0       74.09
>  24   Ga. Tech          85.62   1-1       73.88
>  25   Oregon St.        85.09   1-1       82.96

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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Pac Ten Report, Volume 2
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 03:54:41 GMT

>A friend of mine postulated that Kidd would stay at least three years
>having seen the fiasco Kenny Anderson has gone through.
>--
>xjam@cork.Berkeley.EDU  	Fiiiive Thousand Boomin Watts...... -The JBeez

I wish I could have a fiasco that earned me three million dollars a year.

GT
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Duke mailing list?
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 15:13:01 GMT

In article <BzDC3o.7wu@javelin.sim.es.com> wkirkpat@javelin.sim.es.com (THE  
Wademeister) writes:
> Is there a Duke mailing list.
>                                     -wade-

I send out periodic Duke bulletins three times a week to 
subscribers, with updates, info, etc.  It is not a mailing
list in the traditional sense.  Send mail if you're interested.

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From: ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("")
Subject: U-VA ball -- 2 questions
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:25:26 GMT


As a UVA fan, I have scanned the recruiting lists provided by
our tireless fellow net users, and I am dismayed to find that
UVA is once again left in the dust in terms of recruiting a big
center.  Ever since old Ralph left for the NBA and twin knee
blowouts, UVA has been without uniformly good inside play.
With fourth-year center Ted Jeffries gone at the end of this
year, are we seriously to believe we'll have to rely on the
dubious talents of Shawn Wilson or even worse, Chris "Ball?
You're playing with a ball?" Alexander?

Is there a stigma with Virginia Basketball?  We have produced
tournament worthy teams from a gang of players that would SEEM
unfit to play in the ACC, but whose hard work and dedication to
being well-coached lead them further than they could dream.
What could we do with a gang of solid talents at each position?
Not that Junior Burrough, Corey Alexander, and Yuri "Man Child"
Barnes aren't, but you can't go all
that far in the ACC without a true big man, no matter how hard
UVA coaches can get you to work.  I'm tired of seeing us shoot
outside shots -- winning one game then losing another because we
shot under 30%.

I guess we're just losing recruits to UNC (land of three 7
footers), Duke, even GA Tech as always.  
But I would think that even with the ACC's second
smallest stadium, our winning record AND the chance for
talented players who would warm benches at Duke and Carolina
because of their huge talent pools to start and stand out here
at UVA would be too tempting to pass up.

I know its long, but its been on my mind, and i though others
might want to get their five cents worth.  Maybe I'm just
whining too much -- final exams do this to you :-)

Also, does anyone know how well John Crotty is doing in Utah?
I see he gets like 2 minutes of playing time a game -- does he
have a future there under John Stockton's tutelege?  And when
will Bryant Stith return from his unfortunate injury with the
Nuggets?

man, was that a load

ERik Velapoldi
ejv2j@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu
(804)979-8319
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