HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Narrow Hindu Beliefs- was- Ram (Was he Fact or Fiction)??
Date: 16 Dec 1992 16:02:31 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Woopie babu writes:
>fft> 	duh? "psychologists"??? Anyway, you can remain fool-happy with your
>fft> 	notions (and I with mine, of course.)
>
>well, what else would you call those fascinating studies of the
>mind? psychology is the study of the mind or mental states and
>processes. it's the study of human behavior. and giving them a 

	and that's what I've been telling that Worma. All that Vedic dung
	is phantasmagoria :). Total maya.


>and oh, talking about your remaining fool-happy with your narrow-
>minded notions -- I won't let you, of course! :)

	If by "narrow-minded" you mean not accepting idle speculation, then
	why, thank you for the compliment.. :) BTW, are you open minded enough
	to accept my turtle theory? I see you have conveniently slipped
	answering *any* of my questions in the prev. posts. Dontcha worry.
	I have them archived and would happily recycle them on and on.

>
>anyway, what's with this "woopie babu" thing? :)

	Forgotten?? :) 

	FFT



Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar)
Subject: Re: Indian Muslims had it their way since the independence.
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 08:55:33 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: IMRAN: Information & Media Resources, Affiliations, Networks

In <1gbeksINN8a8@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:

USUAL STUFF DELETED

>FORCE if necessary).  But would you mind spelling out
>those priveleges that we Hindus would also like to have?

>One of them is the laws relating to purchase/selling of 
>land in kashmir, I think. 

You'd be kind of stupid to buy land in Kashmir as a Hindu 

You want to buy land in a place that 
will not soon no longer be occupied by you.  Of course I as a Pakistani
welcome the INVESTMENT you wish to make in my country :-)  Or are you
just planning on losing that money?

While you consider alternate investment sites I would also strongly
caution that you do not spend money buying land in East Punjab, Assam, etc
also because one can foresee them being independent of Hindustan
before the turn of the century

Regards



Imran Anwar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.arabic
From: kat@doe.carleton.ca (Kathiravan Krishnamurthi)
Subject: Re: Fake Degrees From TamilNadu
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:33:09 GMT

 Kuram! telugu/hindi and  degrees are hot. eat before the thamizhs cool them.
From: fafat@aludra.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Do we need a religion?
Date: 19 Dec 1992 12:11:20 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Prayaga ram writes:
>       'This is the proof of the non-existense of god:
>	God says: "I refuse to prove that I exist, for proof denies faith
>			and without faith I am nothing!"
>	"Ahh, but" says man, "but the babel fish is a proof of your existense
>	and therefore by your own words - you dont exist. QED"


	The way I remember it:  the man says, ".. you don't exist" and 
	God disappears in a flash...

	



Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:41480 soc.culture.tamil:4521
From: krvst+@pitt.edu (Koppampatt R Venkatesh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: Hinduism and Idol Worship....
Date: 20 Dec 92 20:04:03 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

Vicky,
	It's good that you raised or rather changed the topic of discussion 
from EVR movement to Hinduism and its rituals. Over the past few days, there
 were a lot of fiery letters from our netters for and against EVR movement. 
I feel that this topic should be dispensed with as it has become too touchy
evoking sharp feelings from many netters. 

	Coming to the point you had raised, Hinduism is more than just a
religion. It's a way of life. I cannot think of any other religion which has
touched the everyday life of its followers as deeply as Hinduism. The concept
of idol worship in Hinduism has a very strong mythological background. It is 
sad that many people have misinterpreted the idea behind idol worship. The
sequence of steps you had outlined in your article about invoking God in an
idol is the way you do worship in Hinduism. Now, how did this procedure came
into existence? 

	The vedas say that there is only one supreme force. That supreme force
is given the name parashakti (all powerful). It also says that this shakti is
manifested in several Gods in varying degrees. In other words, all the Hindu
Gods we know of are reperesentations of a part of parashakti. In Rig veda, 
 whose main tenet is "Aham Brammasmi", a man's ultimate purpose on earth is to
realise the part of parashakti in him. A minute part of this supreme power is
present in all humans and other life forms. Once, a man realises this part of
Godliness (or the supreme force) in him, he is said to have realised the 
BRAMMAM  in him. That is the main objective of the sages in Hindu philosophy.
But, the noble men realised that it is difficult for common men engaged in
wordly pleasures to appreciate this formless representation of God in them.
So, when they appealed to God to help overcome this difficulty, God is  ]
 then supposed to have listened to their appeal and started appearing as
incarnations or "avatars". You'll agree that worshipping something which
does not have any shape or form is a lot more difficult than which has a
definite form. So, idol worship was introduced to enable all people 
perceive God in a tangible form and to appreciate the omnipresent and
multifarious nature of the Supreme Power.

K.R.Venkatesh.
(krvst+@pitt.edu)


-- 
|    /      |~~~~~~|      \        /   ********************************
|  /        |______|       \      /    A shortcut is often the quickest
|/ \        |  \            \    /     way to some place you weren't
|    \      |    \           \  /      going at all!
From: ccgary@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Gary Young)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Airline Companies & flying School Addresses
Summary: Further information on contacts & addresses of airline companies
Keywords: Contacts addresses of airline companies
Date: 21 Dec 92 03:10:35 GMT
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland

I'am very interested to obtain names and addresses of airline companies
and flying schools in India.
I would like to correspond to overseas airline companies to offer trainees 
and students the opportunity to learn to fly professionally and at the same timestudy for a Tertitary Education in Australia at the Air Training Centre
in Brisbane, Queensland.
The weather is great all year round.

Thanking you

Gary Young                                  Education Officer
Prentice Centre                             Tel: +61 7 365 4359
The University of Queensland                Fax: +61 7 365 4477
Queensland, 4072 Australia         EMAIL: ccgary@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au

_______________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
From: misra@charles.polymer.uakron.edu (Sanjay Misra)
Subject: Re: Fake Degrees From TamilNadu
Organization: Institute of Polymer Science, University of Akron
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:58:02 GMT

In article <17576@umd5.umd.edu>, gopals@astro.umd.edu (N. Gopalswamy) writes:
|> Mr. Narayana:
|> 
|> Could you please post the original article about fake US degrees
|> in TN and the precautions US employers should take before
|> hiring any one from TN? Thanks.
|> 
|> gopal
|> 

	Now they tell me! I could have had a PhD years earlier.

	well this is the time to say

	Jai Hind!

	Bye Bye

	Sanjay
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:41181 soc.culture.pakistan:18363 soc.culture.bangladesh:6815
From: verma@pfeast.enet.dec.com (Virendra Verma)
Subject: Re: Sati's history
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 14 DEC 92 17:16:23    


In article <28126@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, mazhar@cs.arizona.edu (Mazhar N Mohammed) writes...
> 
>One of King Pandu's wives, Madri committed sati (at least that's what the 
>scripture says). Are you implying that the Muslims came before that ?? :)
> 
>Mazhar...
>--
> 

	Yes she did. Will you now accept Mahabharat as a reality? If not,
	you have no argument. If yes, then the explanation follows:

	Sati was not a Hindu practice and not prescribed by the scriptures.
	If that were so, how come there are hundreds of descriptions of
	Hindu widows in the same scriptures? Kunti did not commit sati.

	Swami Vivekanada uses this word only once in only one sentence 
	(in a negative way) in his entire 8 volumes.

	The fact is that the concept of sati is personal like commiting a
	suicide. Hinduism was never an organised religion otherwise the
	resistence to it would have been noted. Pandu and Kunti (only
	Hindus around her in the forest where the incident occured) did try 
	to stop Madhuri not to commit sati. It was her own interpretation 
	that Pandu was dying because of her own mistake and therefore it 
	was logical for her to commit sati. She is the one convinced
	Pandu and Kunti for commiting sati. This was purely a personal 
	argument, probably, a guilty conscious which might be a very 
	strong argument around that time. We have to take into account 
	the mentality of the time when such acts were committed.

	On another note, all scriptures have dual aspect - a temporal
	which is representative of the time and country, and, second
	eternal which is applicable at all times in all countries. Incidences
	such as sati belong to former aspect. Today sati is almost extinct
	like bitch-burning of Christians. It had taken the form of jauhar
	during Mughal atrocities. Today, there is no need, and it is not
	there.
From: ahudli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (anand hudli)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Quotation for my thesis - any suggestions?
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:38:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.Bz3yFo.1xB
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1g6iraINNkc9@kochab.anu.edu.au> dsharma@cs.anu.edu.au (Dharmendra Sharma) writes:
>I would like to put a quotation at the beginning of my doctoral thesis
>in artificial intelligence (computer science) and shall be grateful to
>receive any suggestions. Please email me. Many thanks in advance.
>DSharma
   The sense organs (of perception) are said to be superior to 
   inanimate matter and the mind is superior to the sense organs.
   Intelligence is superior to the mind. But the Soul is even 
   superior to Intelligence.    Bhagavad Gita Ch. 3 Verse 42.

 Anand
 ahudli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:40419 soc.culture.pakistan:17995
From: patel@key.amdahl.com (Chandresh Patel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: sexual harassment
Date: 17 Dec 92 23:51:18 GMT
Reply-To: patel@key.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Advanced System Division

In article 150100001@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com, sbmn@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (S.Subramanian(contr)) writes:
> 
> I do not like to draw generalizations  about   a   society   from
> an  isolated  incident.  But what really surprises me is the fact
> that even in a corporation of the size of SCO, such things can go
> on  for  several years without the ouside world knowing about it.

> Subbu

What is the size of SCO? In terms of revenues and number of employees?

Chandresh Patel	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan
From: must@leland.Stanford.EDU (Mustafa Syed)
Subject: Re: Surprising news (from MNS)  (US to brand Pak as Terrorist State)
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 23:20:00 GMT

In article <1go7mkINNaq8@alhena.usc.edu> sadhal@alhena.usc.edu (Sati Sadhal) writes:

>
>Let us get real now. 
>It shows more and more importantly, why
>we should learn to trust our South Asian
>neighbors. 
>
	I agree but naturally it is already taking place. ECO has expanded
	itself and would become a solid economic bloc with over 300
	million people in the member countries. Add the 50-60 million of
	Kashghar( Sinkiang province of China) in the next couple of years
	and you have an equivalent of American free trade market being
	contemplated presently and of EEC going through its teething problems.


>While the branding of Pak as a terrorist state
>is only a proposal and nothing 
>more has happened, it is clear as to
>what is in store. 
>
	We also know who is behind this proposal and what lobby groups are
	involved. We therefore need not look eastward for regional alliances,
	economic or otherwise. Westward is much more reasonable!

>The need for mutual
>trust, and the need to form a strong
>confederation of South Asia has been
>quite apparent for several decades. But

	Apparent to whom? I don't think Pakistan would like to even consider
	the idea of confederation with India. We may consider giving access
	to India to the ECO market, but only after India would clean up its
	act and stop terrorizing its muslim populace in general, and stop
	occupying muslim people of Kashmir in particular.

>we (India and Pakistan) have shamelessly 
>fought each other. Presently, we are
>working towards mutually assured 
>destruction. We as a block could
>have prevented 10 years of misery
>in Afghanistan. We could have formed

	My friend, look before you leap! You mention Afghanistan, well
	The fact of the matter is that INDIA not only accepted the soviet
	occupation of Afghanistan, it also supported it by maintaining full
	diplomatic relations with soviet installed kabul govt. India
	tried to undermine all international efforts to condemn soviet 
	occupation of afghanistan, it never voted, not even ONCE, against the
	soviets in international forums, on the issue of Afghanistan.
	Probably, now that Russia has itself denounced the occupation of
	Afghanistan, INDIA is the ONLY country in the world that has not
	done so!
		Now you speak of alliances??????

>an alliance that would defende us from
>mutual enemies. Instead, we chose to

	We don't have any enemies. If India can stop harbouring ill feelings
	for its neighbours, the neighbours can get along pretty well without
	Indian interference. 

>be in opposite camps of different
>superpowers. Together, WE could have
>been a superpower.
>
>Wake up friends! 
> 		----- SSSadhal
>			sadhal@alhena.usc.edu
>
>

Awake we are Sir!

Mustafa Syed.
From: sandipan@sdd.hp.com (Sandipan B.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: RE.SOC.CULTURE.PUNJAB
Date: 15 Dec 1992 22:50:10 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, San Diego Division
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdl131.sdd.hp.com

In article <1992Dec11.194028.5437@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, gillu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mandeev.sandhu) writes:
|> In article <1fn5qaINNjjg@male.EBay.Sun.COM> satnam@eb4ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (Parmjit Gill) writes:
|> >
|> >
|> >	Come on all the PUNJABIS( Muslim , Hindus Sikhs) speak for it. 
|> >	I just gave the idea. 
|> >	
|> >	Parmjit Gill   
|> >	.
|> Great idea. If we can have a net for telugu and tamil then why not 
|> punjabi. Anyway, the greatest justification is the bandwidth
|> of sci. By creating this group a lot of this group's bandwidth
|> will be diverted. 
|> I second the motion.
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	AAHO, MAIN VEE. 

Let's go for it. And now a one liner most punjabis may have heard:

"Chupp kar ja, nahin taan b*nd'ch jharoo de ke more bana daoon."
(I dare not translate it...)

|> mandeep
-sandipan
From: melblobm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (biswaroop majumdar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Visa from Mexico
Date: 13 Dec 92 22:44:25 GMT
Reply-To: melblobm@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (biswaroop majumdar)
Distribution: tx
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: melblobm@happy.cc.utexas.edu
From: sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Somalia and Ayodhya (was Re: India -PVNR Indignant )
Date: 12 Dec 1992 19:56:31 GMT
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu

Raghu Mani says:

|> V.P. Singh, a little over a week ago, compared this entire episode to 
|> Kristellnacht in Nazi Germany. I am no admirer of V.P. Singh and I certainly
|> don't put the BJP/VHP on a par with the Nazis, but the comparisons are not
|> all that far fetched.

As one who is getting increasingly tired of such comparisons, let me
remind you that the Jews were totally defenseless, and were victims of
the culmination of centuries of an anti-semitism which was deeply rooted 
in both Western theology and society (read some of Martin Luther's views 
on Jews to understand what I mean). The Jews were also blameless,
while the same is not entirely true here (there are nuts on both sides
of the equation here).

Secondly, the BJP/RSS/VHP do not advocate extermination of anyone --
their agenda is more one of imposing their own view of the way things
ought to be upon those who might be unwilling to accept them.

By such nonsensical comparisons, you are guilty of the same hysterical 
rhetoric that caused this mess AND also demean the terrible atrocities
that were perpetrated upon the Jews in Nazi Germany. 

If you don't think the BJP/VHP are on par with the Nazis, then DON'T
make such comparisons. This is about as ridiculous as Mario Cuomo 
referring to the GOP convention as Nazis or Pat Robertson referring to
feminists as practitioners of witchcraft.

[As a confession of sorts, I often am tempted to make such comparisons
myself until I really sit down and think about them and realize why
they are ridiculous ones to make]

-- 
Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu

If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: godura@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Subject: Re: RE SOC.CULTURE.PUNJAB
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:38:51 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.222310.18188@cbfsb.cb.att.com> gillu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mandeev.sandhu) writes:
>In article <1gk0gcINNn9m@male.EBay.Sun.COM> satnam@eb4ts1.EBay.Sun.COM (Parmjit Gill) writes:
>>
>>    I recieved Email from different peopel about Soc.Culture.Punjab.
>Just give it a chance.
>
>>Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  
>>
>>					 
>>					 
>>					   Parmjit Gill 
>
>Mandeep

Go for it guys .. Soc.culture.punjab will have my contributions for all
they are worth.
Ruchir.

-- 
Ruchir Godura | godura@cis.udel.edu | (302) 292-0668 (H) (302) 831-1949 (W)
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:40949 soc.culture.indian.telugu:1404
From: udumudi@vanilla (u v babu srinivas)
Newsgroups: wpi.students.desis,soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: lofty ideals
Date: 14 Dec 1992 23:17:25 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: vanilla.wpi.edu
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Gandhi once adviced a textile manufacturer to round up the stray dogs
in his industrial premises and kill them. This invited lot of criticism
and even threats of physical assualt from many people.

"What else could be done?" Gandhi remarked. This was offensive to
Hinduism, critics yelled. They charged, among other things, that he had
succumbed to Western inhumanity.

His reply stung. "The ideal of humanity in the West," he began softly,
"is perhaps lower, but their practice of it is very much more thorough
than ours. We rest content with a lofty ideal and are slow or lazy in
its practice."

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|                                                                         |
|                                                                         |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Xref: sparky soc.culture.indian:41110 soc.culture.pakistan:18307 soc.culture.bangladesh:6795
From: U15297@uicvm.uic.edu (Shyamala Parameswaran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Letter to Heads of State
Date: 16 Dec 92 23:36:31 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago

As P J Narayanan has posted, we have over 180 signatures now. We
are going to express mail the letters tomorrow 8 A.M. So there
is still time for those interested in being added to the list
of signatories to send their info. to pjn@cs.cmu.edu, as follows:

  <full name>      <nationality>      <place, country>

Nationality: citizen or person of origin from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan.

************

Shyamala
From: godura@oin.cis.udel.edu (Ruchir Godura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Washington Ready to Brand Pakistan a Terrorist State
Date: 18 Dec 92 20:10:49 GMT
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark

In article <Dec.16.20.20.14.1992.15621@paul.rutgers.edu> varma@paul.rutgers.edu (not yet) writes:
>
< ..... Blasphemy deleted ....>
>
>Please don't flame me. I get easily scared by death threats.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>I have neither written this article nor am I responsible for 
>the actions of United States government. Also, there is little 
>I can do to make the US change its policies.
>
>Harsh Varma
>Department of Computer Science
>Rutgers University
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_____________________FARTWA          FARTWA        FARTWA___________________

Repent, sinner .. your time has come !
Under the powers bestowed on me by the supreme council of the Khomeni,
I hereby issue a holy fartwa and demand that all brethren of our
glorious cult hereby make it their goal in life to have your head for
the issuance of a blasphemous report against this noble and pure land of
Pakistan.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
__________________________________________________________________________
-- 
Ruchir Godura | godura@cis.udel.edu | (302) 292-0668 (H) (302) 831-1949 (W)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: rajat@sunny3.che.clarkson.edu (Rajat Kapoor,P303,2124)
Subject: Re: This is for the "Secularists"
Organization: Clarkson University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:09:59 GMT

From article <BzB8LG.I6n@ns1.nodak.edu>, by sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder ):
> 
>  
> think how it hurts if u are a true Indian when u see
> people loyal to Pakistan, chhering them openly,
> joining Pakistan Student Assciation when they come
> abroad......enuff said.....

 On joining associations : Its one`s own choice.  Would you turn away 
 a "Hindu" Pakistani from joining Indian Assoc ?  

 Perhaps not. This is a case of non-secularity breeding sense of betrayal. 

Rajat Kapoor


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: solaiapp@ucunix.san.uc.edu (s o l a i i )
Subject: Re:WORLD POPULATION CRISIS/ayodhya 
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 00:36:43 GMT

WHY DON'T YOU GET IN THERE AND DIE WITH THEM, THAT

WAY WE CAN SEE A FURTHER DECLINE IN POPULATION

-s o l a i i
From: tadikond@spot.Colorado.EDU (TADIKONDA KALYAN)
Subject: Re: NEARLY A DOZEN MOSQUES DESTROYED YESTERDAY
Keywords: Insensitivity
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 18:48:01 GMT

Certainly a very insensitive posting.  What's with you?