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From: isc30176@nusunix3.nus.sg (CHEN JIA TYAN)
Subject: Re: My name in Kanji and more
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 00:59:20 GMT

: >	4.  Chinese word usage is often different from that in Japan.  For example,
: >	the characters for `kisha' ((steam) train) in Japanese are used in China
: >	to mean `automobile'.

But they sure can guess jido^sha. 8-)

: numerous dialects of which the official one is Mandarin. This is what Mr.
:  Withers refers
: to as the "modern Chinese pronunciation" which is often different from Japanese
:  OnYomi. I think
: it's different because Mandarin is a newer language compared to the older
:  southern languages
: and also because the northern languages/dialects (of which Mandarin is one) have
:  sounds emanating
: from deep within the mouth and involves harder tongue calisthenics :). The other

Mandarin is the official languages for China now.  It was only
standardized when Communist decided to have a common language for the
world country  (Shi HwangTi only standardize the writings 8-) ).
It is the dialect of BeiJing, and not many people use it as much as the
populous areas like GuangZhou who use Cantonese.
 
:  theory I heard is
: that one of the larger migrations of Chinese people to Japan (during Chin
:  dynasty ie. Great Wall of China
: fame) are from the southern provinces, presumably Fujian or Hokkien province. If

Hmmm.... interesting.  I've heard another story about this Japanese
aristocrat (probably a prince) who went to China and brought back with
him the Chinese writings.  And he used some of the Chinese pronunciation
for the words/meanings that are non-existent in Japanese.  And that was
also why the kanji have some many pronunciation (not enough words 8-) ).
But Chinese have quite a lot of double (or even triple) pronunciations,
too.

:  you listen to the words
: close enough, taking into account the limited Japanese pronunciation range due
:  to it's syllabary, it
:  (Pardon my romanizations )
: Another example. MonDai (question/problem), in Mandarin is Wen Ti, which is
:  completely
: different. But the Cantonese pronunciation is Mun Tai, which is close enough to
:  make a
: good guess.
: So actually, but not the extent that I would prefer, knowing Chinese ie.
: as much dialect as possible, does help Japanese study.

Yes, I'd think so, too.  Actually many of the dialects of the Han clan
are related, so the more you know, the more inferences you can draw.
And another dialect that people often mistake for Japanese (really a lot
of similarity) is the dialect Wen1 Zhou1 Hua4, but not many people
speaks it.

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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au (Jim Breen)
Subject: Re: kanji of the day #34
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:16:03 GMT

stueber@VAX.MPIZ-KOELN.MPG.DBP.DE writes:

>KANJI OF THE DAY # 34

>JIS      = 3840 (serial number)
            ^^^^-----hex 4970

Some time ago I considered adopting the characters "ji"+"mu" as my kanji name,
thus taking the name of the legendary "Jimmu".[$@?@Ip(J]. I gave up, because it was
pointed out that many Japanese would not recognize the reading, and small percentage
just might be deeply offended enough to shorten my precarious existence.


>BUryoku    -  armed might, military power, the sword, force
>MUsha      -  warrior
>kageMUsha  -  the "shadow warrior", a famous film from Kurozawa
    My Wordtank descibes this as "wire-puller"
>BUke       -  samurai, warrior
    and this as "military family"

Anyway, 4 new edict entries.

$@$"$j$,$H$&$4$6$$$^$7$?(J.

-- 
Jim Breen                           JIS:$B%8%`!!%V%j!<%s(J
Department of Robotics & Digital Technology. Monash University. 
PO Box 197 Caulfield East VIC 3145 Australia (ph) +61 3 573 2552 
(fax) +61 3 573 2345  AARNet/Internet:jwb@capek.rdt.monash.edu.au  
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: taipale@192.31.197 (Tapio Taipale)
Subject: Ambiguous japanese (WAS: Can anyone translate...)
Organization: news-server
Distribution: sci
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:07:40 GMT


Hi, 

I have read those articles about how to translate one sentence ("kaisha no
atama..."). There have been several answers (of which some are from 
native japanese, I guess). I started wondering whether the Japanese 
language is really so ambiguous. 

Is this some kind of special case? Or is it so because there
is only romanji version of the clause (i.e. no kanjis available)?

- Tapio
--
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Tapio Taipale     (taipale@etl.go.jp)
Visiting Research Scientist (under STA Fellowship)
ETL, Intelligent Systems Division, Interactive Interface System Section
1-1-4 Umezono, Tsukuba, Ibaraki 305, JAPAN
Tel: (298) 54-5080-[beeb]-68420  Fax: (298) 58-5989
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: dr@ITE.OTA.GOV
Subject: unsubscribe NOONAN
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 18:19:00 GMT

why am I getting this message?
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: anil@CS.TITECH.AC.JP
Subject: Re: Foreign residents house
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 12:10:07 GMT

>I do not have housing and
>would like some information on either a homestay or an apartment in Tokyo.
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Deepak G. Moorjani
>moorjani@usdcsv.acusd.edu
--
There is a nice foreign residents house
9 rooms altogther, about 5 mat each.
The cost is 60,000/mth about 30mins from Shinjuku (central Tokyo).
1 mth deposit required (returnable after 1 year).
No electric, water bills etc. Lounge, shower and bathroom are shared.
Mostly English teachers living there.
The name of the live-in manager is Alex Ward
(she keeps the house clean and collects rent).
Tel: 0422 347828
Location: Musashi Sakai, 10 mins walk from station,
close to ICU University

Highly recommended, but dificult to get in.
Usually long term residents only, so you have to
jump in as soon as a room does become vacant,
and keep your eye open for people moving out.
One bad thing about this place is the noise from the traffic
outside (small but very busy road).
Present MF ratio is 4 women:5 men.

I think they STOPPED advertising a while ago,
but a video tape is/will be available on request, so I heard,
showing the inside of the house.
So the phone number is not given in any magazine
(cuts down on enquiries).

Good luck
Anil
PS If you really need, I can liase between you and Alex.
If you have any urgent questions I can pass them on to her.
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Anil Bhatia
249 Kizukigion Cho, Nakahara Ku, Kawasaki Shi, Japan T211
Fax : 044 411 9210
Tel: 044 411 7133
anil@cs.titech.ac.jp
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John had had had Mary had had had had had had had had the teacher's
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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: DUELL@RMCS.CRANFIELD.AC.UK
Subject: (none)
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:50:00 GMT

In the 7-11 stores in Japan, I used to buy small packets
of salad. These salads included a small sachet of salad
dressing.
How does one make this "Japanese salad dressing"? and,
What is it called (In Japanese)?

I have some sachets of dried ingredients that I am told
should be sprinkled over the top of left-over rice, and then
hot water should be added to produce a kind of soup.
What are these sachets called? and,
What is the resulting soup known as?

Some friends tried to teach me some Japanese puns (DAJARE??).
I understood most of the simple ones eg,
HOSHI GA HOSHII.
But I never really understood
KUDAMONO DA MONO.
So can anyone explain to me why "KUDAMONO DA MONO" might be
"funny"?

       Thanks in advance,
                         Alan P. Duell.
From: kaneko@icsi.Berkeley.EDU (Seiji Kaneko)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Monotarinai
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:43:22
Organization: International Computer Science Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: axiom.icsi.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: Dave_Spence.Ebina_PBU@FUJIXEROX.XEROX.COM's message of 4 Sep 92 06:14:48 GMT

>>>>> On 4 Sep 92 06:14:48 GMT, Dave_Spence.Ebina_PBU@FUJIXEROX.XEROX.COM said:
|> Mono:  Comes From: Butsu, Motsu, mono = thing
|> tarinai: Comes From: Soku, ashi = foot; ta(riru) = be sufficient hence;
|> ta(rinai) = insufficient
|> Monotarinai means: (When a THING is the subject) Be unsatisfactory, leave
|> something to be desired and (When a PERSON is the subject) Be dissatisfied,
|> Feel as if something were missing.

|> The problem with something like this is that 'monotarinai', though it has all
|> of the appearances of being an idiom, is not a REAL idiom, though it is
|> sometimes treated as if it was one.

I think "monotarinai" is treated as idiom because this sentence has
a little bit different meaning from "dissatisfied". It's nuance
might be,

"if there were more *****, it would be far better."

And this expression doesn't have a strong negative meaning as
"dissatisfied". Speaker is somehow satisfied, but as much as 
she/he expected to be.
--
Seiji Kaneko  kaneko@icsi.Berkeley.EDU,kaneko@sdl.hitachi.co.jp
Vote yes to fj.life.in-japan (^_^) .. 76270.2466@compuserve.com
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: mathias@UHUNIX.UHCC.HAWAII.EDU ("Gerald B. Mathias")
Subject: Re: Jorden System, VERY long
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 19:57:01 GMT

Gee, Japanese pronunciation from Honolulu street signs?

Before I came to UH (to teach Japanese) I started doing a lot of reading
Hawaii, and learning as many place names and phrases as I could, applying
an essentially Japanese pronunciation.

When I got here, I sure had to relearn everything fast!

I wonder if there is less danger going the other way around, from Hawaiian
to Japanese?

Bart Mathias
From: ccavers@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Cam Cavers)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Help me...
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 18:04:52 MDT
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #1, Edmonton, AB, Canada

I'm a second year university student who is going to start a non-intensive
Japanese course in two days...it is about 5 hours/week of lecture-labs, with a
bit of optional labs (I think...).
With all the talk lately of learning Japanese as a second language, I'm
wondering what suggestions anyone might have for me to do outside of my course,
such as any book suggestions, IBM-compatible computer programs I can use, or
any study advice.

Please E-mail me; I will summarize the info and pass it on to anyone else who
wants similar information.

(BTW-Does anyone think watching subtitled movies helps a lot? I know that I'vve
picked up phrases, and sort of a feel for the rythm of the language from
watching a lot of animation, but does anyone have any comments on personal
experiences, or if it maybe teaches too informally, with too much
slang? (I remember having to watch an hour
of French TV per week in high school, so I assume it is basically useful...)

!   *  *  * *    *    ! Cam Cavers: ccavers@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca !SakeSakeSake
!   *   *      ****** ! **************************************** !SakeSakeSake!

!  *     *      *   * ! Member of B.A.K.A.: Banzai Anime         !-Napolipolita

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Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: sielmann@DKRZ-HAMBURG.DBP.DE ("F.Sielmann")
Subject: Re: QUERY: DOS/V
X-Unparsable-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 03: 29:44 TZONE
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 07:30:16 GMT

I'm sorry to say that you misunderstood the peoples questions.
What they meant was that they were looking for a program running under
DOS/V (not DOS/V itself !!).
I just know about one FTP-site distributing a program named MOKE at
utsun.s-u-tokyo.ac.jp (133.11.11.11). It contains also a 24-pin NEC
driver for kanjiis.Certainly this driver can be modified for 9-pin-printers.
the directory is ./fj/moke.
This software-pacckage is packed with pkzip and can be unpacked with pkunzip or
 similar ones.
Good luck for everybody looking for that.

Frank Sielmann
University of Hamburg
Meteorological Institute
Bundesstrasse 55
2000 Hmaburg 13
Germany
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: mako@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu ("Makoto Shimojima, Univ of Tsukuba/CDF")
Subject: Re: Can Anyone Translate This?
Reply-To: mako@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 03:02:06 GMT

Robert Ashmore III (ashmor@studsys.mscs.mu.edu) asks:

> I apologize if this is vulgar:
> 
> kaishajin no atama ga iya desu, yo
> 
> 
> We found this in a command file written by an employee that
> was terminated, and we would like to find out what it says.

To which Tetsuya Nishimura (ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU) answers:

> 	Possible PRAGMATIC meanings of the sentence:
> 		"I hate the way workaholics thinks."
> 		"I hate the way you guys (= workaholics) think."
> 		"I hate to work here (= where there are workaholics)."
> 
> 		Any other INTERPRETATIONS?

"Atama" could mean the hair style of typical "kaishajin"s. Not that it
is likely but it could.

What is more interesting to me is that Robert Ashmore III thinks it
could be vulgar... Anyway, why is he looking at someone else's file???

						mako
From: cb522@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cathy Atwood)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Hiragana/Katakana tutor programs?
Date: 4 Sep 1992 02:30:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu


I've been seeing questions about computer programs to learn kana
and/or kanji.  I've been tempted by the idea of Kanji Master,etc
because I thought it might be fun, and an incentive to learn 
some kanji.  (I've only gotten as far as hiragana and katakana,
and there I'll probably stay.) (Being realistic instead of 
optomistic!)
Anyway, I'd like to plug the idea of learning by hand instead of
by computer.  I practiced kana with a brush in order to make it
interesting.  You can also use those Japanese pens that have
brush tips.  I feel that I will remember at least these few 
characters because I can feel them in my hand and arm.  While
using a mouse to write characters does involve motion, I wonder
if it is giving your brain a good pattern.  I've seen people
writing kanji with their fingertip when looking things up in
a dictionary.  (presume they are counting strokes)  Wouldn't
learning kanji, even with a ballpoint pen instead of a brush,
have benefits over learning from a computer?

I certainly welcome comments on this!

Cathy Atwood
From: jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: non-Japanese names in Kanji
Date: 27 Aug 92 22:53:51 CDT
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

>>             ***      *
>>                *    *   *
>>             ****   *******      <--- Well, I suppose the chances of anybody
>>             *         *              recognising the character from my
>>             *       *****            ASCII-sketch have to be pretty slim,
>>             ****    * * *            but I thought I'd give it a go!
>>                *    *****
>>                *      *  *       ... Lifes pretty difficult at the mo' for
>>              * *      *  **          Nihongo-netters with no kanji facilities,
>>               *     *****  *         isn't it!
>>

Uh, what is the character _tsuyoi_/_kyo_, Chuck?  So do I get the
Jeopardy jackpot? -);
-- 
jamiller@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
James Miller

_chicchai .sig no ho ga ichiban iin janai ka..._
             Life Happens?
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan,soc.culture.japan
From: akuma@netcom.com (Steven E Barnes)
Subject: Goto's Japanese School
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 23:35:43 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Followup-To: poster
Distribution: ba
Keywords: info wanted


I came across Goto's Japanese School in Palo Alto.  Does
anybody know anything about it?  In particular, I need
to know what level their "Advanced" course is.

Actually, any info about Japanese programs near Palo Alto
would be appreciated.

Info:

Tel: (415) 921-5680     Fax: (415) 563-6963

2074 Union St
Suite 1
SF, CA 94123

274 Town & Country Village
Bldg 4
Palo Alto, CA 94301

-steve
From: de19@umail.umd.edu (Dana S Emery)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: upcoming Mac System 7.1 info
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:36:22 GMT
Followup-To: sci.lang.japan
Organization: Personal

There is an interesting thread on comp.sys.mac.system, for those of us with
an interest in Macs:

'System 7.1 - an overview'

--

Dana S Emery <de19@umail.umd.edu> | "Novo, de Novo,
                                  |     de novo, de no-o-o-o-o---, 
                                  | Novemba come an' dey gonna go home."
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: MOORJANI@USDCSV.ACUSD.EDU
Subject: going to Japan
X-Unparsable-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13: 40:25 TZONE
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 17:40:59 GMT

I'm going to Japan in mid-September to study at Sophia University in Tokyo.
I will be a graduate student in the Department of Comparative Culture
specializing in economics.  At the present time, I do not have housing and
would like some information on either a homestay or an apartment in Tokyo.
Any help would be appreciated.

Deepak G. Moorjani
moorjani@usdcsv.acusd.edu
From: RWESTMOR@UCS.INDIANA.EDU (Robert Westmoreland)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: ayamari
Date: 3 Sep 92 19:44:39 GMT
Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu
Organization: The Internet

Sumimasen. Yubi ga subeta kara, kotoba ga nai messeji wo machigatte dasite
shimaimashita. Moshiwake arimasen.
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: gperkins@netcom.com (Glen C. Perkins)
Subject: Re: Japanese/Chinese Kanji count
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 18:47:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

robert@AHI.PBRC.HAWAII.EDU (Lopaka) writes:

>Ken goes on to discuss that the current plan calls for using EUC code
>(Extended Unix Code) for these, since shift-JIS has no space left.

>What a great document in so many ways--this just being a small
>example.  What a guy!

I second that.

>Aloha,
>Robert


-- 
+-----------------------+---------------------------------------------------+
|--- Glen C. Perkins ---|                                                   |
| <gperkins@netcom.com> |             "Don't forget, your mind              |
| Native Guide Software |              only *simulates* logic."             |
| Palo Alto, California |                                                   |
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From: timd@ed.ac.uk (Tim Duncan)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
Subject: Re: Japanese literature (was GENJI MONOGATARI)
Date: 27 Aug 92 15:06:13 GMT
Reply-To: T.Duncan@ed.ac.uk
Organization: AI Applications Institute, University of Edinburgh

In article <1992Aug27.124534.19855@alf.uib.no>, edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold) writes:

|> For noones special interest, three books I have recently read (and
|> enjoyed), are:
|> 
|> Silence, by Endo
|> Temple of the Golden Pavillion, by Mishima
|> and
|> Some Prefer Nettles, by <I forgot> (sorry)

Its a novella by Junichiro Tanizaki.  Personally I like Tanizaki, but I've heard
some Japanese say that Tanizaki is "too western". Certainly one of his themes is
the influence of the west on "old" Japan -- for example "The Makioka Sisters", or
"Naomi". Several of his novels are published in paperback (by Picador in the UK).

|> BTW - one source says Mishima "had himself ritually beheaded" i.e. he
|> had someone (else) execute him.  Another source says he committed
|> seppeku (haragiri - cutting the hara).  Does someone know which it
|> was? 

Both. Traditional style, harakiri then beheading.

	-- Tim
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan
From: swf@teradata.com (Stanley Friesen)
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Re: k and s
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:56:34 GMT
Reply-To: swf@tdat.teradata.com (Stanley Friesen)
Organization: NCR Teradata Database Business Unit

In article <1992Sep2.224427.12372@news.Hawaii.Edu> lee@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Greg Lee) writes:
|In article <81732@bcsaic.boeing.com> rwojcik@atc.boeing.com writes:
|}
|}...  A good example of palatalization is "dija" for "did ya..." ...
|
|Not good.  That's y -> zh.  Obstruentization; not palatalization at all.
|
At least in my speech it is both.  That is, the 'y' becomes an obstruent,
*and* the preceding stop is palatalized, to yield an alveopalatal affricate.
(I pronounce an "isolated" 'd' as a voiced alveodental stop - the 'd'
in "didja" is an alveopalatal "stop").
-- 
sarima@teradata.com			(formerly tdatirv!sarima)
  or
Stanley.Friesen@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com
From: connolly@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: sci.lang
Subject: Re: Zusammenfassung: Rechtschreibereform
Date: 29 Aug 92 23:19:41 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <PMH6HTI@minnie.zdv.uni-mainz.de>, knappen@obelix.kph.uni-mainz.de (Joerg Knappen) writes:
> Leider konnte ich nicht viel konkretes "uber die geplante Reform in Erfahrung
> bringen. Folgende Punkte scheinen dem heutigen Stand der Debatte zu
> entsprechen:
> 
> * Die vor etwa 2 Jahren diskutierten Vorschl"age wie "`Keiser"' und "`Meis"'
>   (statt Kaiser und Mais) sind verworfen worden.

Bei einheitlichem _ei_ koennte man unter Umstaenden _Laib_ und _Leib_
durcheinanderbringen.  Und manche armen Schueler wuerden neue Einsichten
in die deutsche Literatur gewinnen, indem sie sich Nathan als den Waisen
vorstellen wuerden. 

> * Die Regeln zur Kommasetzung sollen ge"andert werden.

Das verstehe ich nun wirklich nicht, denn die Regeln sind ja sehr
konsequent (viel konsequenter als etwa im Englischen) und daher relativ
leicht zu lernen.  Wie die Grossschreibung, ist die Kommasetzung bei
Nebensaetzen fuer Auslaender sehr nuetzlich.  (Ihr habt sie natuerlich
nicht so noetig.)

> Ob das ganze Projekt noch den Namen "`Rechtschreibereform"' verdient, m"oge 
> jeder selbst entscheiden. F"ur meinen Geschmack fehlt etliches:
> 
> * Die unsinnige Regel, die drei gleiche Konsonanten verbietet, sollte
>   abgeschafft werden. (Wie trennt man "`Stilleben"'?)

Still-leben.  Ist doch klar!

> * /f/ kann f, v oder ph geschrieben werden. Wenigstens ph sollte zu f werden.

<ph> ist harmlos, weil es immer /f/ bedeutet.  <v> ist zweideutig.  Wieso
soll <ph> verschwinden, aber nicht unbedingt <v>?

> * "`Montage"' kann auf zweierlei Weise ausgesprochen werden, die auch im 
>   Schriftbild unterschieden werden sollten. Meine Idee: Einf"uhrung von zh
>   (Also dann: Zhurnal, Garazhe, Montazhe, Dzhungel).

Verschiedene Aussprachen werden oft besser nicht zum Ausdruck gebracht.
Englisch _either_ wird teils mit [i:], teils mit [ai] gesprochen, _ate_
ist in Amerika [eit], in England oft [et], etc.  Fuer _Balkon_ gelten
im Deutschen *drei* Aussprachen: [balko:n  balkong  balko~] (die letzte
nasalisiert).  Gehoert so was in die Rechtschreibung?  Ich glaube nein.
Allerdings sollte man lieber nicht <g> schreiben, wo kein [g]-Laut ist.
(<zh> kommt mir zu "undeutsch" vor, aber das ist halt Geschmackssache.
English ist es eigentlich auch nicht, denn der zh-Laut wird im Englischen
nie so geschrieben, sondern nur 
 (pleasure, division, etc.) bzw. am
Wortende, in ganz wenigen Woertern nur, <ge> (garage, rouge)).

> * Phonetische Schreibung von Fremdw"ortern (wie im Niederl"andischen).

Ja, das ist keineswegs durchgaengig der Fall, oder?  Ich dachte: Neue
Fremdwoerter wuerden da zunaechst fremd geschrieben, erst spaeter phonetisch.
Oder irre ich mich?

--Leo Connolly