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From: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com (Dave Buehmann)
Subject: Re: The Great Killington-Keystone Shootout - Follow-up
Reply-To: dlb@sunloaf.dazixco.ingr.com
Organization: Dazix-Intergraph
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:31:48 GMT

In article <SSH.92Sep30092229@snow.boulder.ibm.com>, ssh@snow.boulder.ibm.com (Steve Hultquist (347-3994)) writes:
> 
> Has anyone else noticed that it seems that man-made snow has a tendency to ice
> up slopes, even in the west?  Last year, I found really nice conditions
> difficult to find except within a day of a snowfall...
> --
> Steve Hultquist                         Open systems and networking specialist
> Where the earth rises to meet the sky...                          ISSC Boulder

Last year I was fortunate enough to take a lift up with the head of slopes
and snowmaking operations at Copper.  Since it was early in the season,
we got onto the subject of man-made snow and I made a similar observation
about another major area that will go unnamed (but always opens first,
and oh ya, stays open).

He explained that the man-made snow has a much higher level of (liquid)
water than natural snow.  In order to get the best man-made snow, it's
best to let it sit for a few days before grooming it or skiing it so
that the moisture can seep to lower levels.  Unfortunately, high demand
often caused some areas (not Copper, of course!) to groom and/or open
runs before they're ripe.

-- 

Dave Buehmann               Voice:    (303) 581-2318
Dazix - Intergraph          Fax:      (303) 581-9972
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From: cwc@wam.umd.edu (Charles Winthrop Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Skiing in Iceland ?
Date: 13 Sep 92 19:11:04 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland at College Park
Originator: cwc@rac2.wam.umd.edu

I would be interested in reading a brief report from anyone
with recent experience of skiing in Iceland in the winter.

Would it justify a trip from North America in its own right ?

If not, would it be worthwhile if one were in Iceland for other
reasons ?

Is skiing around Reykjavik comparable to that in the north; if not,
is the expense of a trip to the north justified by the quality of
the skiing ?

What are typical lift ticket and equipment rental costs ?

Thanks to all -

Charles Clark
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: roakes@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rick Oakes)
Subject: Re: KILLINGTON OPEN?
Followup-To: rec.skiing
Summary: 1 run, upper half only
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Keywords: artificial snow 
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 01:06:43 GMT

I just saw the TV coverage of Killington on the NBC station here in
Denver.  The distant shot was the best--the upper half of one run
with artificial snow, surrounded by a lot of bare green.  They had to
keep making more snow as the skiers came down the hill.

But at least they could.  Here in Colorado, most, if not all,
areas have suspended snowmaking until the end of our current
record heat wave (upper 80s in Denver most days this week; 
figure about 2 1/2 degrees colder per 1000 feet of elevation, or
8 degrees for the bottom of Vail, 15 degrees for the bottom of
Loveland, a couple more for the top of Keystone.  A cold front
(and maybe even some precipitation) is due in Monday.

It gets cold enough to make snow at night, but it melts too fast
during the day.  (Overnight lows are around 45 in Denver, 30
in Vail, 25 in Gunnison).  Unless this is one heck of a cold front,
Loveland may have to reschedule (It is only forcast to bring
things back down to normal).
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From: 78mgb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (andrew.m.brown)
Subject: Recommendation on Packages for skiing Vail
Keywords: Vail
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 19:42:43 GMT

I'm looking for packages or lodging recommendations for
Vail for 12 adults the week of March 6 - 13.  Preferrably
in the village or at least on the shuttle route.  We'd 
prefer to be in 1 large house or condo, but can divide
into 6 and 6 if necessary.  Any help you can provide is
greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
Andy Brown
AT&T Bell Labs
P.S. I tried to get the FAQ for lodging but was unsuccessful.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: thos@suite.sw.oz.au (Thomas Cohen)
Subject: Question about skiing in New England, Jan '93
Organization: Softway Pty Ltd
Date: 29 Sep 92 04:49:28 GMT

I have a friend who will be travelling from Boston to Niagara
in mid-January '93. She was wondering what snowfields and resorts
there are in and around those areas. If anyone could help, with
names, prices, descriptions, small furry animals, anything at all,
I'd be most grateful.


regards,
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rols@tk1003.rec.skiing (Roland King)
Subject: archive-server : recommendations
Organization: /home/rols/.organization
Distribution: rec.skiing
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:23:47 GMT

1) Does anybody know of a skiing writeup archive server where anybody
has collected old rec.skiing postings?

2) We're going to travel out from Japan around February next year to ski
in the US/Canada and (believe it or not) need to start fixing it as
readonable cost flights out of Japan are hard to come by. We went to 
Whistler last year and we loved it. So, where else is an absolute
can't miss in the US or Canada? Any ideas, please either post to the
net, or just fill up my mailbox at rols@shearson.com

Thanks in advance.

	Rols
From: hudgens@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: RE: Skiing in the rain
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:46:44 GMT
Organization: NIST

In a previous article, John_McKercher@mindlink.bc.ca (John McKercher) wrote:
>I'm going to try my hand at ski patrolling this year. One of the bad points
>about this is that I may be forced out to ski on those days when normally I
>would never have gone out...when it's raining.

>Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to wear in the way of a ski pant
>for those rainy days when it is important to stay dry? The pants I wear during
>the cold weather would not be bad except that at the start and the finish of
>the season they are just too hot to wear. 

Aahhh! Skiing in the rain. On the weekend in the east this can be a real treat.
Everyone goes to the bar. The dork factor on the slopes plummets toward zero.
And the snow usually becomes more consistent.

I don't seek out rainy days, but have had some of my best ski days in the rain.
The trick is a great waterproof, good breathing coat with a deep hood. For
pants I use a Supplex zip-over. Goretex might work better. Underneath I wear 
a pair of Supplex sweat pants from a running suit. Usually I also wear thin 
polypro long underwear.  I think that it is the second layer of breathable,
relatively waterproof fabric that makes the difference.

After a few hours in the rain I still get damp--probably from condensation. 
But I'm not miserable.

I suspect that enjoying rain skiing is an acquired taste. The principal reward
being the reduced dork factor and the usually consistent snow. 

Jeff Hudgens
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Man made snow (SUCKS)
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 18:33:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.044119.27468@trl.oz.au>
harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant) writes:
	^^^^^^^^^ what a great hostname!
>Due to the fact that snow falls as a 3 dimensional crystal,

Actually the majority (over 90%) of the crystals (flakes) fall as plates.
This is an open research problem.

Correct density definition deleted.

>Heavy snow is around 10-15% water
>by volume, while very light powder is around 5%.

The range is considerably wider than that.  0.7% is actually possible.
And it gets heavier than that.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: NM (Texans vs Generalizations !!)
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 18:25:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct04.215755.26432@bnr.ca> mhoyt@crchh47.NoSubdomain.NoDomain
(Michael Hoyt) writes:
>all the nuclear testing etc.

1) Only one test, 2) It wasn't their choice, 3) if you ever drive to
Los Alamos, you will note on the sign: University of California. ;^)
Nice town in some ways. ;^)

What does this have to do with Vail?					3.0

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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From: dianeho@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Diane Ho)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:23:28 GMT
Subject: NEED CONDO/CHALET IN BANFF
Organization: HP Pacific Technology Park - Sunnyvale, Ca.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

                     CHALET/CONDO IN BANFF

Hi,
    We're looking for a chalet/condo/cabin for either 4 or 6 people
(one couple and 2 or 4 adults) in Banff area.  The time frame is
late Frebuary '93, for about a week.  If you have any info regarding 
condo/chalet/cabin with kitchen, please let me know.  I'll post
if there is interest.  Also, any recommendation about cheap air fare,
multi-day tickets to Banff/Lake Louise, or transportation for Calgary
airport to the condo/chalet would be much appreciated too.
    I'll appreciate any reply.

Diane
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: My first experience with a Texas Skiie
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 23:39:16 GMT
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Oct5.213319.123@ncar.ucar.edu> chris@chinook.atd.ucar.edu
writes:
>Nope, Nope, nope..... Suburbans & Wagoneers was the choice of
>Texans in Aspen (at least during the 70's and early 80's).

Ack!  I stand corrected!!  Clearly, requires American made vehicles and
big hats, and a penant for BBQ.
But I'm still at a loss why Texans (even after reading the "all that's
wrong with the USA").  Are they that bad?  Not that we need any.
Is it a sign that we have two Presidental candidates from Texas?
The last few having retired to CA (one who skis Vail)?
I must be surrounded by too many Californians.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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  Acting Associate Editor, Software and Publication Reviews
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rosario@oceanlaw.com
Subject: Blackcomb opening?
Keywords: When? 
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:15:02 GMT


Does anyone know when blackcomb plans to open this year
--

--------------------------------
Rosario Perry 
rosario@oceanlaw.com
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen)
Subject: Re: Skier classification
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 22:31:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4

How about:

   Beginner: a skier that has a little fun.
 
   Intermediate: a skier that has more fun.
 
   Advanced: a skier that has a lot of fun.
 
   Expert: a skier that laughs like a maniac in the powder.
 
After all, that *is* the reason we're out there.

Keith (chuckle, chuckle) Emmen
kde@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com
From: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Jackson Hole vs Taos Trip
Date: 2 Oct 92 22:13:52 GMT
Reply-To: jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr)
Organization: SCRI, Florida State University

In article <1992Oct2.185513.18292@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham) writes:
>
>You can drive to the Toas ski area from Santa Fe without too much
>trouble but it's like an hour and a half or so????

It is almost precisely 2 hours from motel door to Taos parking lot.  
Plus or minus some for traffic, but traffic is worse leaving then 
going in since everyone leaves at the same time it seems. 

This assumes you exceed the speed limit by only moderate amounts.  On 
weekends, the police have been seen making obscene profits on some 
very nice, gently rolling, open stretches of 4-lane.  

--
J. A. Carr                                    |  "The New Frontier of which I  
jac@gw.scri.fsu.edu                           |  speak is not a set of promises
Florida State University  B-186               |  -- it is a set of challenges."
Supercomputer Computations Research Institute |   John F. Kennedy (15 July 60)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 00:33:24 GMT
Organization: WINCO
Subject: Re: Wanted: Help for Russian skiing glossary
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Organization: WINCO
Keywords: 

In article <10943@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> jac@ds8.scri.fsu.edu (Jim Carr) writes:
>This should be fun. 
>
>(1) Bend-zee-knees  -- said with an Austrian accent even by American 
>                      instructors 

I think Bob Geer has one in his archives in a cavern in the Wasatch that
reads, "BoMski", but I'm not sure of the meaning.  He could probably be
tempted to part with a translation if tempted with some lime jello
w/marshmallow cubes embedded.
From: cmm@ikyat.Sun.COM (Michael Burgeson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Truckee Ski Cabin needs members
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:11:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. - Mtn View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: ikyat


		****************************
		*                          *
		*        Ski Cabin         *
		*                          *
		*    North Shore Tahoe     * 
		*                          *
		****************************


A nice house in Truckee is available from Dec 4 to May 4, and we
need more people to help us enjoy the upcoming Tahoe ski season!

The cabin is in the Prosser Lakeview Estates area, which just off of
highway 89, less than 2 miles north of downtown Truckee,   It is about
15 minutes (8 miles) from Squaw Valley, and 18 minutes (10 miles) from
Alpine Meadows.  Many other north shore resorts are close.

All the roads to the cabin are highway (I80 & 89) until the last 1/4
mile.  The highways are among the first roads to be plowed after a
storm, and the roads near the cabin are almost flat.  Access to the
cabin should be worry-free for the whole season, even in the worst
weather.

Specifications:

2 bedroom + loft
2 bathroom
2 car garage
6 beds (4 twin, 1 dbl, 1 queen) + sofa bed
spacious kitchen: AEK w/dishwasher
wood burning stove
washer & dryer


Membership: 

$558 + $100 deposit

Guest fees ($15/weekend night, $10/weekday night) collected during the
season will be divided equally among the members at the end of the
season.  You can count on getting your deposit + back at the end of the
lease.

If you have any questions, please call me or Debra during the day:

Mike:  415-336-3059
Debra: 415-336-3021

Think Snow! & see 'ya on the slopes,
- --Michael Burgeson
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rizzi@netcom.com (Ichabod Crane)
Subject: Re: Purgatory info
Organization: There is no DANGER
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:59:16 GMT

powlesla@acs.ucalgary.ca (Jim B. Powlesland) writes:
>I'm interested in skiing Purgatory this winter (love that name)
>but need some info. Does anyone have the address for the Colorado
>Tourist Office, Purgatory, etc.? I would like to get my hands on
>the usual glossy tourist propoganda stuff.

Purgatory is close to Durango (which has a decent airport for
flying into).  It is much more fun to stay there (and cheaper too!)
since you have all the amenities of a medium size town/city, rather
than at the resort itself.  Wolf Creek is close enough for an
extended day trip (~1-1/2 to 2 hour drive).

Here are the phone #s I have.

Purgatory			(303)247-9000 
Purgatory  lodging, transp.	(800)525-0892
				(800)525-8855

mike rizzi
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Subject: Elk in February
Originator: sokay@cyclone
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 14:09:58 GMT

Well, it looks like my chances of getting out west have become about as thin
as the snow covering here(read none). An opportunity to go to Elk Mountain
for the weekend the first week in February has reared itself for about $150.

Should I go?---whats Elk/Montage like in early Feb? --I've been there before 
in December and early January and it was okay...typical east coast skiing.
Does it get any better/worse in the ensuing month?

Thanks,
---Steve
-- 
Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
"You see, I'm kind of this control freak who likes to create his own
personal hells before the real one can get to him. I like to beat hell
to hell so to speak".--Spalding Gray "Monster in a box"
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Opening dates?
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:15:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

Tahoe Conditions:
Squaw Valley (6.3K ft): Base 0, Depth 0, New: 0
Density: 0
Temps Low 40F high 80 F
Date 9/27/92
Winds: E 10 MPH
Weather: Clear
Avalanche hazard: None
Fire hazard: Moderate, no chain saws after 1 PM due to hazard
Traffic: expect delays, this was worse than coming back in winter.
Same can go for Alpine, Sugar Bowl, Donner, Tahoe-Donner,...
X-C wax: a very hard paraffin
And squaw valley still has no snow ;^)

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
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Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: gunn@cucbs.chem.columbia.edu (John Gunn)
Subject: Re: equipment suggestions: what new & Hi-tec ?
Organization: Center for Biomolecular Simulation
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 21:32:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.195638@igahp2.epfl.ch> root@igahpse.epfl.ch () writes:
>
>		Hello ski fans !
>
>I'll gladly hear Your comments about the latest skis. Some years ago
>I've liked: Rossignol SM and Olin Mark VII. What do You recommend in
>1993 ?
>
>Cheers !
>
>Andrew.
>
>
>-- 
>***  Andrzej KULIK, Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne,
>*** Institut de Genie Atomique, CH-1015 LAUSANNE, SWITZERLAND.
>*** Phone: (21)693'33'59, Fax: (21)693'44'70, e-mail: root@igahp1.epfl.ch

Well, not having the faintest idea what level skier you are, or what type
of skiing you prefer, it's pretty hard to recommend much of anything.  I
could tell you what I ski on, but unless you have similar preferences my
opinion won't mean very much to you.

I'll leave it to others to make recommendations based on magazine articles
and topsheet graphics.

-John
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:41:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Need info on Northern Colorado ski areas - day trips from Longmont
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

> I know that Loveland and Estes Park are near Longmont, but know 
> nothing about the ski areas there.

Common mistake. 
The city of Loveland is different from the ski area at Loveland pass. 
The city is close to Longmont. The ski area is about 2 hours away.

As for Estes Park, the ski area was closed last year.

bruno.
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: rols@tk1003.none (Roland King)
Subject: archive servers : recommendations
Organization: /home/rols/.organization
Distribution: rec.skiing
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 23:20:39 GMT

1) Does anybody know of a skiing writeup archive server where anybody
has collected old rec.skiing postings?

2) We're going to travel out from Japan around February next year to ski
in the US/Canada and (believe it or not) need to start fixing it as
readonable cost flights out of Japan are hard to come by. We went to 
Whistler last year and we loved it. So, where else is an absolute
can't miss in the US or Canada? Any ideas, please either post to the
net, or just fill up my mailbox at rols@shearson.com

Thanks in advance.

	Rols
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky)
Subject: Jackson Hole vs Taos Trip
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:20:09 GMT

Hi, I'm looking for some help deciding where we should go on our
annual ski trip this winter. There are eight of us (four couples) and
everyone is at least intermediate and three of us are probably (I say
probably because I'm continually surprised at what I see other people
able to do) expert. We usually ski at Whistler-Blackcomb B.C. or Lake
Louise AL but are looking for something different.

I've always heard good things about Jackson as a great _ski_ place
where the skiing's the thing, not the apres ski etc. That appeals.
Taos I know very little about but one of our group has heard good
things.

Anyway, bottom line we're (I'm) looking for steep, deep, and lots of
vertical with as little of a crowd tradeoff as possible (isn't
everyone).

Any assistance appreciated.

Paul

pkedrosk@student.business.uwo.ca (Paul S. Kedrosky)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario