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From: sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Siderman 2099 #2
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:22:46 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

vapspyo@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon W. Hughes) writes:

> Siderman?  Didn't he and Suicide Squid have that
> big cross-company crossover back in the early 80's?
> (I'm sorry, my copy of the SS-Sidey crossover was
> lost in a flood last year, so I couldn't look it
> up.)  Anyhow, could some kind soul who has this
> please send me a summary of the plot, since it's
> been years since I've read it.  Also, what's the
> origin story of this new Siderman?
> 
> Curiously,
> Jon

Everyone's been misspelling it.  It's Cider-Man who got his powers by 
biting into an overripe, fermenting Golden Delicious apple.


                                        - Sasha

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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: New Vertigo...
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:27:50 GMT
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Oct8.181240.22819@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  ) writes:
>I know that Vertigo has already said what comics are going to be
>released in the new line, but I am curious as to what other titles
>people would like to see "upgraded" to mature reader.
>
>Personally I would like to see Legends of the Dark Knight and Hawkworld
>made into mature reader titles. I also think that Green Arrow should be
>rescued before it falls to far.

Actually, those are first three I'd think of as well, but since
Hawkworld is becoming Hawkman and Green Arrow has gone downhill so
much, it'd probably be a waste of time.  If Martian Manhunter were to
get a series after the American Secrets mini, I would like to see it
done at Vertigo. Of course if they rescue Grimjack from limbo, it'd
damn well better be over at Vertigo.

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"When children are playing along on the net,
   in comes the playmate you never have met,
 Nobody heard him and nobody saw,
   his is a picture you never could draw."
g-carnagey@uchicago, with apologies to R.L.Stevenson
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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Superman: Man of Steel 18
Date: 15 Oct 1992 12:18:14 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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Well not much happens in this issue. Doomsday finally breaks out and
surfaces. He is already on Earth. I thought he was going to be from
another planet, and then travel to Earth. He has broken out of the
vault he was in, but one arm is still tied back with a huge steel
cable wrapped around him. You would think if he's that strong, he
could have broken it by now. And he still has that green suit on, to
pan out what he really looks like. At the end of the issue he is
trashing a highway, and a trucker called the State Police for help.
Oberon is monitoring at the JL HQ, and hears the message. Next part
takes place in JLA.

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From: sherman@deimos.math.ucla.edu (William Sherman)
Subject: Re: Sandman dream artists (no pun intended)
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 23:20:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.183312.8018@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:
>
>Mervyn Peake. Pleeeeease!

Seconded.  I think Lucien would probably benefit the most from Peake's
style, as well as Mervyn the pumpkinhead fellow.

My choice: Tom Phillips.  Phillips has the added advantage of still being 
alive.  




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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43 / Robocop vs. Terminator #2
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:58:54 GMT

pathall@astro.as.arizona.edu (Patrick B. Hall) writes:
> Was I the only one to purchase and read the latest Sandman and
> Robocop vs. Terminator issues on the same day?  I couldn't help
> noticing an odd similarity:  in Sandman, Destruction is asked by
> his pet/companion Barnabas what the bubbling pool signifies, and
> he responds:  
> 	"Trouble.  Big Trouble."  
> In R vs. T, after Robocop hooks into the world's computer system 
> and decides it's possible he could create the Terminators, his 
> technician friend asks him "What's up?" and he replies:
> 	"Trouble.  Big Trouble."
> 
> Amusing, as long as they're not planning a crossover.

Of course!  It all makes sense now.  Gaiman and Miller are planning
the Robocop/Sandman crossover.  Remember how someone on the Rec.
suggested that there might be a new Destruction?  Well there is, and
its Robocop!  The new Endless.  I only wonder what his sign for the
Gallery will be.... A big Gun?
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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Mckean on Sandman
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: rec.arts.comics.misc.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:35:54 GMT

Subject says it all.....sort of. According to one of those advanced
comic guides, Mckean and Gaiman will be doing an eight page insert which
will be featured in issue #46 of Sandman. The insert wll feature Death
talking about AIDS in an open and frank manner. "Who better to talk
about life than Death" is the quote that goes along with it.

The insert will also be in each of the other mature reader titles that
come out that month.

On a slightly off topic, when I was glancing through a copy of CVM I saw
a sketch of Death that looked amazing. Does anyone know if that was art
done by the same guy who is doing the art for the "High Cost of Living"
mini-series? If so, then my interest in it just doubled. It was the
issue of CVM which featured a special on the British Comic Invasion.


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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  )
Subject: Re: MARVEL: DR. STRANGE
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:34:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.005736.27094@utagraph.uta.edu> hunter@cse.uta.edu (David Hunter) writes:
>Dr. Strange has been one of my very favorite characters ever since
>I've been reading comics (about 20 years).  I'd like to follow the
>title, but won't buy it regularly again until it's done "right".
>(The same thing also applies to Cap. America and Fantastic Four ....
>and Avengers ... well, all Marvel titles basically.  C'mon
>Marvel!  Hire some writers!)
>
Dr. Strange has been an on and off thing with me. I loved the "Faust
Gamit" storyline, but quickly gave up on it after that. For some reason
people have difficulty writing mystic characters well, especially over
long periods of time.

However, if you are seeking some of the best Dr. Strange stories then
the obvious choice is #55 with Michael Golden art (the story with
D'Spayre in it) which is just amazing. But your best bet is to find the
original series, you know, the one that started at #169. It had the best
Gene Colan art you are ever likely to see and some really cool (can't
believe I just said that) stories.

For those turned off by the astronomical cost i believe Marvel has plans
to reprint them in a Marvel Masterwork format. It'll be about $40, but
it is cheaper then trying to buy the originals.

Of course, I got most of mine of a guy trying to dump his collection.
Sold me all but 3 issues of the run for $2.50 a piece. All in mint
condition. Doesn't talk to me much anymore oddly enough....;-)


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From: sherman@deimos.math.ucla.edu (William Sherman)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Love & Rockets fans ("the comics book")
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 04:43:11 GMT

In article <BvxpxI.78t@ais.org> empath@ais.org (Tim Triemstra) writes:
>Mabe i didn't look hard enough, buti didn't see any articles about
>Love and Rockets around here. I know that I'm not the only one who 
>lkes reading this ikes reading :q1this awesome mag
>
>SOMEOE TELL ME I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE OUT THERE!!

You're not.  It's great.  I have sketches of Hopey and Heraclio
over my mantelpiece.  Et cetera.


--
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From: ckb@athena.mit.edu (Christopher K. Brown)
Subject: For all the Ostrander fans out there...
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:25:11 GMT

There's been so much traffic about Mr. Ostrander lately, I thought
I'd post just to inform those interested that he'll be doing
Magnus Robot Fighter for Valiant starting with issue #21 (next
month, #20 came out today).

Farewell,
Chris
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From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN : Delirium
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 15:23:14 GMT

jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM writes:

[Delirium looking like Lauper?]

>i think Tori Amos is a good pick for someone who could play Delirium,
>asSUMing the character wasn't based on the musician in the first place.  
>Some of her lyrics have flow of strange juxtapositions similar to Delirium's 
>dialog. 

>One song even refers to the Dream King and to Neil in almost the same breath.
>Having hear of that Sandman reference, I sought out her "Little Earthquakes"
>and found some excellent music.  Check it out, those of you who haven't.

Ah, it's time for The Secret Origin of Delirium again. How nice.

I was the original basis for Delirium. Neil met me just before my Oxford college
sent me off to a mental hospital in Plymouth. To that original inspiration was
added the character traits of Kathy Acker and Tori Amos. Tori and Neil know
each other (and I have their addresses, so nerr |-), and Neil is famed for
saying "hi" to people via other people. I try to get revenge by having internet
friends from around the world who meet him say Hi from me. <giggle> Signing
tours posted on rec.arts.comics afford a lot of "Tanaqui says hi" material.

And delirium is ~10% of "whatever hits the keyboard".

Tanaqui
... who does not look like Delirium, despite Hecate's Warrior saying _3Septs & 
A Jan_" is me to a T
From: fperry@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Fred Perry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Help from DC buffs requested
Summary: Questions for a paper on Superman from a graduate student
Keywords: DC, Superman
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:21:55 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I am working on a paper for literary criticism and am wondering if I can get 
some support from those readers who know a lot more about the history of 
Superman than I do, especially the early history. The premise of my paper
is that the three versions of Superman so far (Golden, Silver, Byrne [Bronze])
reflect the culture from which they arise and in part fill a specific need in
that period's problems. Example: the Golden Age Superman was the first 
superhero. All the other popular heroes were merely men in strange costumes
or in outlandish situations; the Phantom and Buck Rogers come to mind. But 
Americans felt that something more than human was needed to help them
overcome the depression in 1938. Mere humans were barely getting by--a hero
who could overcome all odds was needed. There were no threats to the early 
Superman, and he laughed at all the foes he had to face.

My questions:
1. What actually happens in Action 1?
2. When was Superman's origin fully told for the first time? The early issues
give a page synopsis of his arrival on Earth but we don't find out about 
Jor-el until sometime in the late forties. What issue of what mag, and what
was the date?
3. When did the Silver Age Superman come about? I realize that this is an 
ambiguous question, but at some point there had to be a recognized divergence
between Gold and Silver. When was that (again, issue and date)? What were the 
circumstances of his appearance?

As a final question, I remember there being some discussion of a way to e-mail
DC, but I lost that posting. Is it true, and if so, what is the address? (I 
figure that that may be the best way to get some information on other things
like sales figures and the like). Thanks very much in advance.

Fred Perry
The trouble with people is that they are only human.--Hobbes (the tiger)
From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Keywords: Endless, animals, relations
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:43:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.faber.718472615
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences

dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:

>>>Appropriate - the Dogs of War.
>No, the Dogs of Art. Don't you read your titles? :-)

	A delightful concept, isn't it.  As entertaining as Gaiman's DoA
	are, I'd love to see Morrison's.  It sounds like a Morrison
	phrase.
>
>> And who did the cats belong
>>to?
>Bast.

	But if one of the Endless were to have cats around the house, it
	seems to me that it would be Desire.  Cats being such sensual animals,
	and all.  Strangely appropriate that (s)he and Destruction seem to
	have fought like....
>
>-- 
>David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - CTHULHU in '92! Why vote for LESSER evils?

I spilled spot remover on my dog, and now he's gone.  --- Steven Wright

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From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Siderman 2099 #2
Date: 13 Oct 92 05:32:13 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <70724@hydra.gatech.EDU> vapspyo@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon W. Hughes) writes:
>Siderman?  Didn't he and Suicide Squid have that
>big cross-company crossover back in the early 80's?
>(I'm sorry, my copy of the SS-Sidey crossover was
>lost in a flood last year, so I couldn't look it
>up.)  Anyhow, could some kind soul who has this
>please send me a summary of the plot, since it's
>been years since I've read it.  Also, what's the
>origin story of this new Siderman?

Obscure Trivia Lad has heard that they're going to revamp Siderman's
origin soon, so it's too soon to tell.  Personally, Obscure Trivia
Lad is happy that they're going to revamp it, as Obscure Trivia Lad
always thought that being bitten by a radioactive aluminum siding
salesman was slightly on the cheesy side.

-- 
"Dog bites man--that's not a story.  Man bites dog--*that's* a story.  And
if the dog and the man slug it out for six issues, and then Wolverine shows
up for a guest appearance, and the dog turns out to be a mutant, that's a
*Marvel* story!"			-Marvel Editorial Handbook
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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: LSH: Earth goes boom---BAD
Date: 16 Oct 1992 21:30:51 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <1992Oct16.195413.788@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes:
>I just read that not only does the Earth blow up in LSH #38 (Which has been
>Also, It's been a while since I read it, but wasn't the whole deal in COSMIC
>ODESSEY that if two of the planets were destroyed, then the universe would fall
>apart?  Since one died in CO, doesn't that mean that when the Earth buys it, the
>rest of the universe does as well?

	Nah.  As I understand it, Earth is going to be rendered uninhabitable,
but there will be some sort of ruined planetary mass there.  (Which means that
in the future, someone could perhaps terraform it back into place)  According
to CO, the galaxy will fall apart if the planets are destroyed (Xanshi was
totally destroyed and fell into it's sun), so as long as there's some 
mass there, it shouldn't fall apart.  
	[Of course, you're assuming that G&T&M even thought of it.]
	Also, the Guardians have had 1000 years to put some sort of artificial
mass in Xanshi's place, to stabilize "the balance."
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From: lawrence@ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Alt.comics.lnh: Does it/will it exist??
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:34:19 GMT
Reply-To: lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

I, like many of my brethren and sistren (???) in the LNH are
desperately wondering where and when Alt.comics.lnh is or
will be.

We have exploits to exploit. Adventures to advent. Dramas to ... dram?

Anyway, HOW DO WE GET ALT.COMICS.LNH????????????????

Don't make me unleash the wrath of my powers!

					Sarcastic Lad.

P.S. A hearty *bromp* from Flatulence Lad.
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From: mkelly@sneezy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Subject: Re: Veitch Animal Man
Reply-To: mkelly@sneezy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly)
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 15:13:30 GMT

 djung@fraser.sfu.ca (Derek Shew Lon Jung) writes:
|> I've been recently catching up on the early Morrison and Milligan Animal
|> Man issues (some excellent stories in there, by the way).  Since I've been
|> picking up the recent Delano issues also, I'm just wondering what's the
|> general opinion on the issues in-between, done by Tom Veitch (I think --
|> it's not Rick, is it?).  I've heard from a couple of source that they're
|> nowhere near as good as those by Morrison and Milligan....Is this true?
|> Are there *any* that are worth picking up?  Thanks in advance....

Grant Morrison (1-26, and a Secret Origins issue): He brought Buddy Baker
back from Comic Book limbo and use him to explore not just animal rights 
concerns, but the phenomina of comic book characters. His run is basically
a very detailed look at what it means to care very deeply about something
or someone (whether it be a particular cause, a loved one, or even childhood
memories).

Pete Milligan (27-32?) A nutty little story that never really happened. 
It was pretty good, but after the emotional roller coaster that was Morrison's
run, it really doesn't compare.

Tom Veitch (33-50?) Generally regarded as the weakest so far. This arc had
a few interesting ideas, but it never quite captured the imagination of the
readers. I think the book suffered under Veitch because the readers really
expected something more like Morrison. Unfortunately, whereas Morrison had
all 26 of his issues thought out beforehand, Veitch was not nearly as
prepared for a long storyline, so much of his run seems haphazardly paced.

Your mileage may vary.

-- 
+               Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics                +
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From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: DC : Dr Thirteen, the ghost-breaker.
Date: 9 Oct 92 10:35:32 EDT

In article <107060001@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com>, randy@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Randy White) writes:
>> There's an old character by the name of Doctor Thirteen, who appeared
>> briefly in Books of Magic, and also as a piss-take in Doom Patrol. Can
>> anyone tell me where else he's appeared - titles and issue numbers if
>> possible.
> 
> "Doctor Thirteen, Ghost Breaker" appeared in back-up stories in the old 
> Phantom Stranger series (2nd series, 1969-1976) somewhere around issues 
> 12 ~ 25.  (Sorry I can't get you exact numbers.  I sold my copies over a 
> decade ago.)  However, you should be able to pick these up rather cheaply, 
> since the series ended and PS never became a big-name character.

He's older than that.  I had some comics from the 1950's that he
was in.  Might have been Star Spangled Comics.

Mark Balbes
From: daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:39:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Sandman #43 (no major spoilers)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc

In rec.arts.comics.misc, dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom):
> >I have decided to give Sandman one more chance.  I bought issue
> >43, and while there was nothing particularly fantastic about it,
> >at least it did not offend me. 
> 
> If previous issues of Sandman have offended you, and if the current
> one (which I thought one of the better issues) is no better than
> nothing-special, maybe this title just isn't for you.

I did not mean to imply that past issues of this magazine have offended
me.  I meant to imply that it was far enough above the average dreck
of the comic world that it was not stupid and offensive.  It was, in
fact, a compliment.

As for the current issue, yeah, it was ok, but perhaps I ought to
do a panel by panel review or something.

> 
> >Which of the compilations (graphic novels) of Sandman would people
> >reccommend most?  I want to read one of them and see if I think
> >it is worth my time to buy this magazine.
> 
> Save your money.

Why?  A friend loaned me three of them, and they have probably convinced
me to go back and buy the magazine for awhile.

Really Dani, you shouldn't give up on your idols so easily.
You might have been able to contribut to its advancement by
giving me the information that I wanted.

doug
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