From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,misc.test,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: rmgroup alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:15:41 GMT
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kmitche@eis.calstate.edu (Kenneth Mitchell) writes:

>dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:
>> bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby) writes:
>> 
>> > >Of course, thanks to liberals, the Bill of Rights is 
>> > >considered to have only 9 amendments already, so Clinton won't have
>> > >as big a job to do.
>> > 
>> > I'm a liberal - which one of the amendments is it I'm
>> > supposed to not be in support of?
>> 
>> The second, most likely.
>> 
>> > Since it's the conservatives who are threatening the right
>> > to privacy (with their anti-abortion stance) and the
>> > conservatives who are threatening the right to free speech (with
>> > their wanting an amendment to prohibit flag-burning) I am
>> > confused about why it is you think liberals are attacking
>> > the Bill of Rights.
>> 
>> ?? Which amendment mentions the right to privacy? I'd love to see it,
>> and shove it up the IRS's rectum come April 15. Please do hurry with
>> your answer!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.
>> 
>
>Actually, Liberals only believe that the Bill Of Rights has SEVEN
>amendments; they omit the Second (Right to keep and bear arms), the Ninth
>(Rights not enumerated in the Bill of Rights are still rights; in other
>words, "We couldn't list them all here") and the Tenth (Powers not
>delegated to the federal government or prohibited to the States are
>reserved to the States, or to the People). 

Ken, I think you ought to re-read the above.  I, as a liberal, was
asserting a right to privacy, and Dave O'Shea was saying that there is
no such right in the Constitution.  It isn't clear from his post
whether he is a liberal or a conservative (but he sure don't like the
IRS).

As I have stated previously in this thread, I support the RKBA.
I also support the 9th amendment.

I'm not clear on how the 10th fits into this discussion.

>It is for people like this that James Madison opposed the adoption of a
>Bill Of Rights, because he felt (correctly, as history has shown) that if
>SOME rights were listed and others were not, that the ones not listed
>would come to be seen as not existant. The "Right to Privacy" is listed
>nowhere in the Constitution, but clearly is a right that the Founding
>Fathers held dear; I suppose they figured it was so obvious that it didn't
>NEED to be listed. But it is clearly "implied" in the Ninth Amendment,
>which states "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain Rights, shall
>not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
>
>You don't get it any plainer than that.

Again, I see the Religious Right having much more of a problem with
the Right to Privacy than I see the left having a problem with it.
Could you give me some examples of the left having a problem with
privacy?

>Ken Mitchell
>Kmitche@eis.calstate.edu

Brice
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