HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kerry@citr.uq.oz.au (Kerry Raymond)
Subject: Re: toronto and sydney bashing
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:21:24 GMT


phjm@fairfax.com (Phillip Merrick) writes:

>I think it is especially appropriate that you should equate Melbourne-Sydney
>rivalries with those between Toronto and Montreal. A couple of years ago
>a Washington DC thinktank rated a hundred or more of the world's larger cities
>for "live-ability", based on dozens of criteria such as housing, recreational
>opportunities, crime, even the number of public phones.

>Melbourne and Montreal tied for 1st place.


I've lived in Melbourne and visited Montreal and I don't think
I'd recommend either of them!

This is the danger of thinktanks. Unless your weighted criteria is the same
as the thinktanks, you will disagree with the results. After all, how many
public phones do you think should equal one tennis court?

I just hope the thinktank didn't waste too much public money working out
where the thinktank would like to live.

Xref: sparky soc.culture.australian:4384 seattle.general:3110
From: radhika@june.cs.washington.edu (Radhika Thekkath)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,seattle.general
Subject: Re: Where's the Vegemite?
Date: 27 Sep 92 19:07:35 GMT
Distribution: seattle
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle

In article <5211@sumax.seattleu.edu>, harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Zak) writes:
|> Hi guys...
|> 
|> I remember seeing on these newsgroups where someone in Seattle knew where
|> to find Vegemite....would s/he be so kind as to repeat it?  

Larry's market (over on Aurora) used to carry it. You might try calling them
first before driving on out there; they are usually pretty good about answering
questions over the phone.

radhika
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,aus.tv,aus.politics
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Subject: Re: Male violence and the 'Power Myth'
Followup-To: aus.politics
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: 26 Sep 92 06:27:45 GMT


s342046@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au writes:
 >Last night we were horrified as we watched on ABC-TV (Australia) part 2 of
 >"Without Consent": David Goldie's documentary on rape and sexual violence in
 >Australia. I was feeling traumtised by the program and so we had a long
 >disscussion afterwards.

I saw the first part of this documentary.  It seemed to be disturbingly
one-sided, in that all the interviewed men were rapists, and all the
interviewed women were victims.  There were no "normal" men or women
on the program, so the documentary was implying, "all men and women
are like this".

Unsupported, dubious statistics were presented as scientific fact.
For example:

 >A forensic psychologist interviewed on
 >the program (who's name I forget), claimed that offenders caught at age 18 had
 >attacked an average of six victims, however offenders caught at the age of 25
 >had an average of 360 victims.

In other words, 25-year-old rapists have had one completely new victim
every week, without fail, since they were 18?  I'd like to know how that
statistic was arrived at.  These questionable figures were thrown at
the audience in an attempt to say, "these horrible things are a function
of Australian macho society".  (ie. not the filmmaker's arty jerkoff
Australian society.)  But where was the other side?  Last week, it was
reported that Australian women are the second highest paid in the world
(after Iceland), with 88c out of the (male) $1.  Still appalling, but
excellent by world standards.

Detailed interviews with rapists and victims induces the sort of
"compulsive revulsion" that boosts ratings.  This documentary offered
no perspective and no analysis, just painful monologues which bordered
on the exploitative.  Instead of providing insight into why men rape,
we just had the kind of cheap sensationalism which gets people baying
for blood.

If I were less charitable, I'd say that this was exactly the intent of
the bloke who made the film.  After all, he doesn't have to confront
himself in any meaningful way, and he gets the kind of fame, success
and achievement that many women demand.



--
 Iain Sinclair    axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: alex@cs.uow.edu.au (Alex Zelinsky)
Subject: Re: toronto and sydney bashing
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 08:23:25 GMT

phjm@fairfax.com (Phillip Merrick) writes:

>I think it is especially appropriate that you should equate Melbourne-Sydney
>rivalries with those between Toronto and Montreal. A couple of years ago
>a Washington DC thinktank rated a hundred or more of the world's larger cities
>for "live-ability", based on dozens of criteria such as housing, recreational
>opportunities, crime, even the number of public phones.

>Melbourne and Montreal tied for 1st place.

Obviously in the case of Melbourne this US thinktank did not take into
account the WEATHER! Melbourne might be a great city but the weather
SUX! If you placed Melbourne in the same geographic location as Sydney, then
you would have the best city in the world.

Alex Zelinsky
Dept. Computer Science
University of Wollongong
From: mckay@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ruth Isabella McKay)
Subject: Re: Australian Newspapers
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 92 05:30:53 GMT

Tim Aubrey writes:
>I wish to know where Australian newspapers (particularly
>the Sydney Morning Herald and the Independent Monthly)
>can be obtained in the Stanford area.

The Sunday edition of the Weekend Australian can be purchased for
the grand sum of US$6.00 ! at Macs Newsagent (High St, downtown
Palo Alto) or at Printers Inc (California St, Palo Alto).  It usually
is in by the following Wednesday.
I'm afraid that's all I have found.  Occasional Australian snippets do\
appear in the SF Chronicle - like the one about the police wielding
frozen kangaroo tails.

Ruth
Xref: sparky soc.culture.australian:4403 seattle.general:3132
From: ap@cbnews.cb.att.com (Alexis Porras)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,seattle.general
Subject: Re: Where's the Vegemite?
Summary: is that the same as Marmite?
Date: 28 Sep 92 22:35:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnews.1992Sep28.223553.20793
Organization: little, if any

|In article <5211@sumax.seattleu.edu> harrity@sumax.seattleu.edu (Zak) writes:
|>Hi guys...
|>
|>I remember seeing on these newsgroups where someone in Seattle knew where
|>to find Vegemite....would s/he be so kind as to repeat it?  
|>

etc etc.  I remember a dark (tar) colored spread that tasted
like dried up soy sauce sold in England as "Marmite" - I assume
Vegemite is the OZ version of the same concoction? delicious.... NOT!
From: ewartd@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Victoria Election?
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:26:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep28.154808.12459@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble) writes:
> What is happening with respect to the election in Victoria? Australia
> might as well be on Mars for all you can pick up in the U.S. news.
> -- 
> Duane F. Marble			       E-mail: dmarble@magnus.acs.osu.edu
> Department of Geography                Telephone: (614) 292-2250
> The Ohio State University
> Columbus, Ohio 43210                   Fax: (614) 292-6213

Well, we have a democracy right?  There's two choices, Buckley's and Nunn.
Labour are trying to hold power but have little chance against the liberals
campaign which, in a US Republican a-la-Bush style is fairly negative.  Their
whole pitch is vote labour out (& by the way, we're the only choice).  They
refuse to give all policies &/or costings until AFTER the election!  They've
denigrated independents.  Claimed bizarrely unlikely dirty tricks (Watergate
style breakin of an office - nobody's fooled there, brick through leaders
window, etc)  Of course, there is one other party (the Democrats having shot
themselves in the foot so badly over leadership changes that their credibility
will probably get them only 4-5% of the vote) - the NATURAL LAW PARTY.  One
has to be careful of libel here, but they seem to be all TM'ers who wish to
medidtate our way out of the mess!  Norman Vincent Peale where are you?

So the buffoons will romp it in.  At least 10-15000 public servant jobs will
be shed.  Everything not nailed down will be sold, especially those turning
a profit.

Did you here the one about "individual worker contracts"?  Who needs unions.

Send mail for more, especially less facetious answers.

Don
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From: rap@news (Ross Paterson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Re: RE: Are foreignborn kids of UK citizens british??
Date: 28 Sep 1992 17:22:58 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Reply-To: rap@doc.ic.ac.uk
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk

From article <27SEP92.05020086@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, by isilver@meena.cc.uregina.ca:
| My wife is a dual Canadian/U.S. citizen, & I am a triple
| Canadian/New Zealand/U.K. citizen. Our 3 children are registered as
| U.S./Canadian/N.Z. citizens, and have both Canadian social insurance
| cards, & U.S. social security cards. All 3 were born in Canada.
|       Now, should I register them with the U.K. Government, as
| children of a British citizen?

Since you are a UK citizen by descent (rather that by birth in the UK or
naturalization), they are not automatically entitled to UK citizenship,
though they might apply on the basis of their UK-born grandparents --
don't know what the chances are.  The intent is to prevent UK citizenship
from propagating indefinitely outside the UK.

As the law stands now, they will be allowed to reside and work in the UK
(UK-born grandparent).

Ross
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.new-zealand
From: isilver@meena.cc.uregina.ca
Subject: RE: Are foreignborn kids of UK citizens british??
Date: 27 SEP 92 04:55:37 GMT
Organization: University of Regina, Regina, Sask., Canada

      I understand, and stand corrected. My parents were born in
London, thus entitling me to an (inexpensive) British passport.
      Thanks for clarifying - Ian
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: li@skorpio.usask.ca ()
Subject: address of Telecom Australia
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:08:00 GMT

Would any one out there be able to tell me the address of Telecom Australia, 
preferably the email address? I heard that Telecom Aus. is currently looking 
for software people. If somebody happens to have the their job description, 
please let me know.

Thanx a million.

Weidong Li
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.new-zealand
From: marcus@iiasa.ac.at (Marcus SCHNELL)
Subject: Re: Request info on Universities
Organization: International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:21:21 GMT

EBGOOLD@MTUS5.BITNET wrote:
: I would like any information on universities in Australia or New Zealand
: which offer masters or doctorate degrees in Physics. I'm considering leaving
: the states and studying down under... Any advice will be helpful. If possible,
: include an address (real, not e-mail) and someone in the department to
: contact.  Thanks a lot,

Curtin University of technology in Perth has a good Physics department.
Contact:

The Secretary
Department of Physics
School of Physics and Geosciences
Curtin University of Technology
Kent Street
Bentley
Western Australia


Marcus

Xref: sparky soc.culture.australian:4390 soc.culture.canada:6935 soc.culture.vietnamese:14282
From: daudo@bcars201.bnr.ca (Dau Do)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re: Info on "The Girl From Tomorrow"
Keywords: Science Fiction
Date: 28 Sep 92 13:31:22 GMT
Reply-To: daudo@bcars201.bnr.ca (Dau Do)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Sep28.005702.7586@cunews.carleton.ca>, nguyen@turing.scs.carleton.ca (H.H. Nguyen) writes:
>	
>	Greetings,
>	
>	Lately, on a local Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) channel 
>there has been a TV science fiction series by the name of "The Girl From
>Tomorrow", which was produced by Film Australia around 1990. It is about
>Alana who is from the year 3000 and her involuntary trips back and forth 
>among the years 3000, 2500 and 1990 using a time-capsule and time-gate, etc. 
>
>	The series was based on a science fiction by Mark Shireffef (sp ?)
>and another author but I couldn't catch the latter's name. I wonder
>if anybody knows and cares enough to email me the full name of the
>novel and its authors. If possible, could you also inform me where in
>Canada I can obtain a copy of this novel ? Please email me because 
>I may miss the follow-ups on this newsgroup.
>
>	My guess is the novel was also from Australia.
>
>	Much appreciated,
>
>	H.H. Nguyen
>	nguyen@turing.scs.carleton.ca 
>

Is it really from Australia ?
I thought it was made by the English people.
Well, at least these actors spoke with British accent. 
Azzzzk !!!  Occassionally, I don't understand what they say.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: manning@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Manning)
Subject: Re: Australian Newspapers
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:45:02 GMT

In <1992Oct1.031039.28021@ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au> rick@ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au (Rick Stevenson) writes:

>timaa@ee.uts.edu.au (Tim Aubrey) writes:

>>I wish to know where Australian newspapers (particularly
>>the Sydney Morning Herald and the Independent Monthly)
>>can be obtained in the Stanford area.

>It's not quite Stanford area, but I've seen (expensive)
>copies of Australian newspapers at Printers Inc. in
>Mountain View.

I don't think you can get The Independent anywhere in the Stanford area,
but you can get the Weekend Australian and Saturday SMH.  As well as the
Mountain View Printers Inc, the California St Printers Inc and Kepler's in
Menlo Park both keep them (at the same inflated prices).

You can look at the Weekend Australian gratis in the Stanford Libarary
(Green).
							Chris.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.australian:4436 soc.culture.new-zealand:2714
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Request info on Universities
From: <EBGOOLD@MTUS5.BITNET>
Date: Thursday, 1 Oct 1992 11:27:10 EST
Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ.

I would like any information on universities in Australia or New Zealand
which offer masters or doctorate degrees in Physics. I'm considering leaving
the states and studying down under... Any advice will be helpful. If possible,
include an address (real, not e-mail) and someone in the department to
contact.  Thanks a lot,
                 Eric Goold
                 (ebgoold@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu or
                  ebgoold@mtu.edu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian,seattle.general
From: walkup@cs.washington.edu (Elizabeth Walkup)
Subject: Re: Where's the Vegemite?
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 17:31:11 GMT


Just last night I spied some very small, very pricey (it seemed to me,
since I'm not a Vegemite user) jars on the shelf of the Ravenna PCC,
which is located on 20th Ave NE just north of NE 65th.

Elizabeth
walkup@cs.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: ggm@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (George Michaelson)
Subject: Re: Help ! Moving: transformers, auto conversion etc.
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:58:00 GMT

dave@ips.oz.au (Dave Horsfall) writes:

>My advice - sell up, and buy locally.  What's wrong with the good ol'
>Aussie fridge anyway? :-)

Apparently, rather a lot. Even with the push to more green qudos, Oz fridges
are woefully behind the leaders in energy efficiency. US fridges are reputedly
way out in front. Anyway, they have chrome-finish dildos and ice-makers, and
other sexy toys built in.

Front-Loader washingmachines are ruinously expensive in Oz as well. If you
like Eurospeak international Blaupunckt/Zanussi 1500rpm front loaders with
automatic rear-window demist and mag carbs, You'll find a top-loader Admiral
lunker rather depressing. They have less knobs, and leave clothes wet, scummy
and torn.

Ditto gas cookers, fan-forced ovens, sinks, taps.

Fisher & Paykal (made by tame sheep in NewZealand) are ok price/performancewise
fridgewise ozwise.

Whitegoods in Oz is a disaster area. A better reason for ending tarrifs will
not be found.

	-George
--
                         George Michaelson
G.Michaelson@cc.uq.oz.au The Prentice Centre      | There's no  market for
                         University of Queensland | hippos in Philadelphia
Phone: +61 7 365 4079    QLD Australia 4072       |          -Bertold Brecht
From: rick@ptcburp.ptcbu.oz.au (Rick Stevenson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Australian Newspapers
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:10:39 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

timaa@ee.uts.edu.au (Tim Aubrey) writes:

>I hope this is the right group for this query.
>I wish to know where Australian newspapers (particularly
>the Sydney Morning Herald and the Independent Monthly)
>can be obtained in the Stanford area.
>
>Any information would be greatly appreciated.

It's not quite Stanford area, but I've seen (expensive)
copies of Australian newspapers at Printers Inc. in
Mountain View.

Rick.
From: STA39018786H@LUST.LATROBE.EDU.AU (ECKY)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Vic Elections
Date: 6 Oct 92 07:57:03 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

In <BvnKt4.9J@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> spreddan@glenn.uwaterloo.ca writes:

> So - what was the election result in Victoria?
> 
> Thanks,

    At this stage the Liberal/National party coalition has won the election
with a landslide. Labour conceded defeat at about 8:30, Saturday night. Jeff
Kennett is to be sworn in as Premier today.

    As of this morning, the legislative assembly (lower house) was

         Liberal    50
         National    4
         Labour     25
         Doubtful    4

      The doubtfuls are most likely to be split 2/2 between Liberal/Labour.


    In the legislative council (upper house) it was (from memory)

         Liberal    14
         National    2
         Labour      6



    I was employed as a deputy returning officer in the District of Preston,
a blue ribbon Labour seat. There Labour won with 56% of the votes counted as at
Saturday night. In the last election, Labour won with 71% of the vote.

    In describing various areas:

MELBOURNE

 Liberal won the majority of eastern / south-eastern suburbs
 Labour won the northern and western suburbs 
 Tullamarine is doubtful.

GEELONG

 Labour won Nth Geelong, Geelong and Sth Barwon are doubtful, Liberal won the
rest


GIPPSLAND (EASTERN VICTORIA)

 Liberal/National won all seats except for Morwell, which is doubtful.

NORTHERN VICTORIA & CENTRAL HIGHLANDS

 From memory, Liberal won most seats, except for Bendigo West and Shepparton

WESTERN VICTORIA

 Liberal/National won all seats except for one of the Ballarat seats.
 


If anyone wants more information, e-mail me, and I'll get the details that you
want.

                  Cheers,

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From: speednut@werple.apana.org.au (Mark Jose)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Victoria Election?
Keywords: Election Victoria
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:26:37 GMT
Organization: werple public-access UNIX, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.apana.org.au


Original Message From: dmarble@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Duane F Marble)
Subject: Victoria Election?
 
>What is happening with respect to the election in Victoria? Australia
>might as well be on Mars for all you can pick up in the U.S. news.
 
Greetings from sunny Victoria :-)
 
(Ha. It must be the coldest and most wet September for quite a few decades).
 
Well, onto the Victorian election. What many pundits were preaching would
be a one horse race now seems to be very much a two horse race.
 
The liberals' policies of industrial chaos (Labors' words not mine) have
put a scare into many a safe and secure job holder. Added to this the
obvious snake-oil personality of the leader Jeff Kennett and you have an
electorate who is very suspicious. Seems as if quite a few people have
adopted the notion that it is "better the devil you know".
 
So far the Labor party's electoral strategy has been to try to instill
wariness and fear into the electorate. It is obvious that they must do
this because they have no new policies and are pushing the line that the
ship will be steady as she goes if Labor is re-elected.
 
It still seems (to me) that the Liberals will be elected with a clear
majority in the upper and lower houses. It is interesting that a great
deal of the Liberal's election funds have been spent warning people (and
to some extent confusing people) that a vote for an independent is a vote
for the Labor party. Their basis for such a "scare campaign" is the last
Victorian and Federal election result where the Labor party was returned
to power because of preferences delivered to them by independents.
 
What nauseates me (and I hope a lot of others) is the way the general
public can be so easily lead by a personality. They see Joan Kirner as a
"lovely lady who always look smart and didn't know what was going on when
John Cain was head honcho". This type of drivel annoys me because those
people are going to waste their vote if they vote for personalities.
 
Incidentally, the above certainly applies to the US Presidential elections.
I am sure you are getting sick of the rhetoric flying around at the
present time. [Perot's in, Perot's out etc etc. ad nauseum...]
 
Cheers,
Mark.
 
 
Warning! Silly reason for voting follows:

I vote for Jeff Kennett because he wears Australian made suits!
I vote for Joan Kirner because she looks smart!
I vote for John Hewson because he drives a silver Ferrari!
I vote for Paul Keating because he owns a Pig farm! [Karma?!]
Xref: sparky soc.culture.australian:4490 soc.culture.usa:7655
From: bill@appleoz.apple.oz.au (William Logan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: Looking for things to do in Townsville
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:11:03 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Australia Pty Ltd

In article <1992Sep30.215922.6192@ncar.ucar.edu> cook@barleywine.atd.ucar.edu (Forrest Cook) writes:
>I will be visiting Townsville from October 11 through November 11...
>So, I was hoping to find out a few things:
>- How about restaurants suggestions?
Townsville has some good (cheap) seafood restaurants - check along the main
city street. Four years ago I visited Townsville and ate at a restaurant where
for A$25 you could eat all the cold seafood you could eat - prawns (shrimp),
shellfish, etc, and a geat choice of desserts (which we never got to, having
stuffed ourselves with seafood).

Visit the reef, visit Magnetic Island.  Apart from these two activities you
might as well take a good book to read. Oh, there was a casino there if you
have too much money and need to donate it to the state government.

Bill Lee
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian