From: madpit@athena.mit.edu (Douglas R. Pitters)
Subject: Re: Random Musings
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 22:56:08 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.105728.22789@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, david j warner <dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
|> In article <1992Apr15.070654.16255@athena.mit.edu> madpit@athena.mit.edu (Douglas R. Pitters) writes:
|> >In article <1992Apr13.163132.10430@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, david j warner <dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
|> Yes, but these are not tunes familiar to mainstream pop, to which is I was
|> referring.  Even popheads know "Fast Car," as do a lot of other people in
|> different musical styles, whereas less people would be familiar with the P-Funk
|> or Roy Ayers.  This one Chapman song may be her most well-known song to date,
|> and I think Nice & Smooth are taking advantage of that, while the others you
|> mentioned aren't as well known as "Fast Car," therefore less familiar to most.
|> The appeal lies in the fact that more people would recognize "Fast Car" than
|> they would your average Parliament tune.  I don't recognize a lot of their
|> stuff myself, so that says something.

	Point well taken, however, there is the possibility that people may
not necessarily be aware that Tracy Chapman did the Fast Car lick.  I
myself being one of them. I think I know quite a few people that would recognize
P-funk before Tracy Chapman.  Which means that it all depends on where you are
from, and what sort of music you have exposure too.

|> >> hamma dropped "U Can't Touch This" with that Rick James groove in there.  Then
|> >> came Vanilla Wafer and that Queen sample, and that set things off.  Before
|> >> this happened, nobody really thought about trying to cross over onto the pop
|> >> scene with a pop sample.  Now a lot of groups are doing it -- P.M. Dawn, 3rd
|> >> Bass, De La Soul, etc.  It doesn't take a lot of effort to pull something like
|> >> that, and it usually results in a poptop hit.  If you see a lot more hype about
|> >> Greg Nice & Smooth B in the near future as a result of this song, don't be
|> >> alarmed.
|> >
|> >	This sounds like other rap artists started doing this after U Can't
|> >Touch this. I assume that you do not mean that.
|> >
|> 
|> 	Well, yeah, they did it before Hammuh, too, but it became much more
|> noticeable to me, if to nobody else, that this was being done.  I remember LL
|> cutting up a few bits and pieces of tunes I recognized on "Radio," but then
|> again, he went for the straight crossover and lost props along the way.
|> 
|> >> 	This is not to say that they don't deserve the props.  A lot of the
|> >> groups I mentioned above that sample the pop tunes were down from the start,
|> >> as were Nice & Smooth, but in this case, I think the group, or maybe just the
|> >> record company, wants to make the cash on this single.
|> >> 
|> >
|> >	Never know,  Tracy Champman might get more $$$ for this one, but
|> >it still sounds dope, which is why they laid the track in the first place.
|> >
|> 
|> 	True, but I still think Nice & Smooth are looking to boost themselves
|> in the process (or the record company - they still make much moolah off stuff
|> like this).  For all I know, this may never happen, but I wouldn't be surprised
|> at all if it did.
|> 
|> 5000...
|> 
	Of course, Nice & Smooth are looking to boost themselves, afterall
the rapper motto still is "Get paid, and paid, and paid and paid and paid..."
But I don't think that's a function of Tracy Chapman. I think what they do
with what they boost should get a lot more attention.  People are always boosting
each others stuff.  It's what they do with it that counts.

|> 
|> -- 
|> - David J. Warner            - "Maybe (Montross) plays better after he gets   -
|> - dwarner@ucs.indiana.edu    -  hit on the head."                             -
|> - (One for all...            -                              - Dean Smith      -
|> -             BRAND NUBIAN!) -                                                -



	This all comes down to what xjammer said about sampling in one of
his all-wise posts.

It doesn't (or shouldn't) that someone samples from someone else, it's what
they do with that sample that counts.



	Nice & Smooth did this before, with "No Bones in Ice Cream (?)"
didn't they?




				doug nice

				Again.  It is the legend