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From: cac@sierra.com (Charles Clinton)
Subject: RAMROD '92 results
Organization: Sierra Geophysics Inc.,  Kirkland, Wa
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:08:53 GMT

RAMROD '92 results

What:  Ride Around Mount Rainer in One Day
Where: Mount Rainer, Washington
When:  Thursday, July 30, 1992

Distance: 154 miles
Elevation gain: ~ 10,000 feet

Timed starters: 677       New record
Timed finishers: 608      New record

Male Winners: 7:09        Mens Course Record: 6:57 (1991, 152 mile course)
  Jack Anderson             Brian Ecker
  James Rock                Mike Koczarski

Female Winner: 8:00       Womens Course Record: 7:53 (1987, 156 mile course)
  Donna Peters              Gayle Bilsland

Tandem Winners: 7:27      Old Tandem Record: 7:56 (1989, 156 mile course)
  Brian Claasen             John Cacabelos
  Rich Williamson           Hobie Stebbins
    [29 minutes off the old record!]

Youngest Finisher
  Michelle Du (14)  Youngest female finisher ever

Oldest Finisher
  Ralph (Awesome) Harris (75)  Oldest finisher ever



RAMROD 1993 will be on Thursday, July 29th.  It will be the 10th RAMROD;
reaching this milestone has lured [director] John Dixon out of retirement.
... John originated RAMROD and directed the first seven rides.

In 1993, RAMROD will mail entry forms only to those riders who live outside
of western Washington (i.e., outside of the 206 area code). 150 places will
be reserved for such riders. All other entries will be sold at the Seattle
Bike Expo.
-- 
Charles A. Clinton\Sierra Geophysics, Inc.
11255 Kirkland Way Kirkland,  WA 98033 USA
(206) 822-5200           uunet!sgihbtn!cac
                         cac@sgihbtn.COM
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From: shenry@cs.rice.edu (Sam Henry)
Subject: Re: RESULTS: Championship of Zurich.
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:48:25 GMT

In article <BtJAAE.L71@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk> ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk
(Dennis Davis) writes: 

> ... [Excellent race report.  Thanks very much]

>World Cup Overall Standings

>3.  R Alcala  72 points          

VAMANOS EL RAUL




-- 
sam henry <shenry@rice.edu>
Wanna ride?
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Subject: Re: World Championship Road -- Contest
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:08:59 GMT

Stewart Fleming (sfleming@cs.hw.ac.uk) writes:

> The World Championship road race is on a 21.8km circuit, beginning and
> ending in Benidorm.  5km into the circuit is the main climb,
> rising to 350m over 5km and then descending over the next 10.
> The remainder of the circuit is flat, with a slight climb towards the
> finish.

> Course is 261km (12 laps).  My money is on Moreno Argentin.

Is that Totally Lance Dude going to ride? Has he done a race of this length 
before?

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
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From: colin@snaefell.tamu.edu (Colin Allen)
Subject: Re: How fast is fast enough???
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 16:02:06 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.220014.19462@chpc.utexas.edu>  
apas611@chpc.utexas.edu (David Boles) writes:
> I was wondering how fast people ride in USCF cat 3,4,(?)5
> races here in the U.S.  I know that if you can time trial
> 25 miles in 1 hr (I can't) that you can enter races and not
> embarass yourself, but how fast do the lower end (absolutely
> no offense meant since I'm sure you could all blow me away)
> riders ride?

Actually, time trialling ability and road racing
ability aren't that tightly correlated.  Time trialling
requires the ability to hold a high steady pace for an
extended period.  Road racing requires the ability to
recover very quickly from intense efforts that exceed
what could be kept up over a longer period.  In a race last
weekend on a fairly flat course the speed fluctuated
between 18mph and 35mph for two hours.  (The average was
about 24.)  I'm a middle of the pack cat 3 rider.  The
occasionally lucky break lets me get into breakaway
groups, but I'm not in much danger of being dropped from
races except for mechanical reasons.  I don't think I can
do a 40k time trial in under an hour.  (I've never tried, and
I have no real desire to either.)  Your ability to go hard
and recover quickly will be a much better indicator of
your ability to stay in a USCF race than your time trial
speed over one hour. 

--
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From: holliday@cse.unl.edu (david holliday)
Subject: Re: World Championship Road -- Contest
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:47:55 GMT

>Stewart Fleming writes:

>Course is 261km (12 laps).  My money is on Moreno Argentin.

Thanks for the description of the course!! As for Argentin, the last time I
saw him on the results sheet was 2nd at Milan-San Remo, in March!!

If I were a betting man, I'd have to go with Indurain.
Why? (1) He's racing on home soil (he'll be inspired and motivated)
     (2) He seems to have the strongest, most consistent form of any racer
     (3) He's a stud.

Although my favorite is Indurain, I'd like to see Chiappucci win a world
title, or the TdF or some other national tour.

Dave
----
From: ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk (Dennis Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: RESULTS: Championship of Zurich.
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:37:43 GMT
Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK

In article <BtJAAE.L71@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk> I wrote:
>
>Championship of Zurich (Switzerland, 240km)
>1.  V Ekimov  6h 0m 1s
>2.  L Armstrong  at 14s
>3.  J Nevens  same time
>4.  G Bontempi  at 34s
>5.  B Leali  same time
>6.  M Earley  same time

Sigh, I got the above placings slightly wrong.  Marc Madiot
(Telekom) was sixth and Martin Earley was seventh.  So a revised
list of the placings reads:

Championship of Zurich (Switzerland, 240km)
1.  V Ekimov  6h 0m 1s
2.  L Armstrong  at 14s
3.  J Nevens  same time
4.  G Bontempi  at 34s
5.  B Leali  same time
6.  M Madiot  same time
7.  M Earley  same time
8.  L Jalabert  at 59s

Apparently the Panasonic team were well aware of Armstrong's sprinting
ability.  So Ekimov attacked with two kilometres to go to the finish,
which is why he had a lone win.  Ekimov, Armstrong and Nevens had
broken clear of a lead group of eight riders when they were
thirty-three kilometres from the finish.  The three attacked on the
fifth and final ascent of the Regensberg climb.  According to Martin
Earley, only Nevens and Ekimov were able to go with Armstrong who
initiated the move.

>World Cup Overall Standings
>1.  O Ludwig  101 points
>2.  J Museeuw  74 points
>3.  R Alcala  72 points
>4.  G Duclos-Lassalle  64 points
>5.  D de Wolf  58 points
>6.  L Jalabert  57 points

Jalabert moves up to sixth place in the overall table by virtue of his
eighth place in this race.  He is just above Massimo Ghirotto and
Claudio Chiappucci, both of the Carrera team, who have 55 points each.
-- 
Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk
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Subject: Newsflash - Lemond skips World Championship
From: Willem Boersma <SOND0091@HASARA11.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 4 Sep 1992 10:25:11 CET
Organization: SARA - Stichting Academisch Rekencentrum Amsterdam

My newspaper said this morning that Greg Lemond will not ride
in the World Championship Sunday. He is obviously not feeling well.
 
More news: Surprise announcement Wednesday by Jan Raas (team leader of
Buckler) that he managed to get a new sponsor for the next three years.
It is Wordperfect! Two riders signed right away, Jelle Nijdam and
Olympic silver winner Erik Dekker. Wordperfect management said they
would invest more if a top rider could be in the team. Like the Dutch
manager of Wordperfect Europe said, "When I previously mentioned a
top rider like Capuccino, I meant Capucci".;-)
Many Buckler riders have already signed contracts elsewhere with a clause
that stated that if Raas would have a new sponsor and could offer the
same money as the new contract, they would stay with Raas. It will
be interesting to see how many will return (like Van Hooydonck).
The newspaper article mentioned that Wordperfect first contacted Peter
Post, but that he already had a sponsor. That will probably be announced
at the World Championship then.
 
P.S. Since Dhaenens and Dirk DeWolf were 1 and 2 and the World Championship,
I don't do predictions anymore. Oh, well, why not: Steven Rooks.
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From: les@sail.stanford.edu (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: Length of Races in the U.S.:  Too Short?
Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:48:52 GMT

jim warsa says:
>As to the point regarding upgrading, I have always thought that ITT's should
>be used for upgrade points for categories greater than cat 3. Does anyone
>know why they are not (Les Earnest) ?

The primary purpose of the category system is to divide large fields
for mass start races.  There is no such need for time trials and
categories are generally not used there.  Given that the purpuse of
the categories is to segregate riders on the basis of their ability to
perform in mass start events, it makes sense to base the upgrading on
performance in such events.

>[.  .  .]  In fact, I know cat 3's who have upgraded because they
>won or placed like crazy in crits, but once they upgrade can't even hang in 
>a 60 mile RR.

True.  Perhaps performance in crits should be lumped in with track
events for the purpose of categorization, inasmuch as the skills and
abilities involved are fairly closely linked.

>Regarding collegiate competition, why not have the same criterion for upgrade,
>that is, minimum distance with minimum number of riders of a given USCF 
>category. For example, if a collegiate race is longer than 100 km (or
>whatever) and there are 130 riders, 60 (or whatever) of whom are USCF cat 2's,
>then that race should be used for upgrade points. Granted that this is a
>rather unlikely scenario, but maybe it happens at collegiate nationals.

Sounds like a good idea.  I'll modify the existing legislative proposal for
variable-points upgrading to accomodate it.

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
UUCP: . . . decwrl!cs.Stanford.edu!Les         Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
From: lars@craycos.com (Ron Larson)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Celestial Seasoning Classic, Twigg
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:50:53 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

Twigg 7th in first race since Olympic bronze

By David 0. Williams
Vail Daily Sports Editor

Rebecca Twigg went out on a limb earlier this year when she gambled
that after a four-year hiatus from competitive cycling she was still an
Olympic caliber rider.  That gamble had a bronze-medal pay-off in the
women's 3,000-meter individual pursuit in Barcelona last month.

Her reasons for returning to a sport that she helped raise to new
levels of popularity in the 1980s were simple: "I missed it," she said
And she truly believed she could recapture the form that earned her a
silver medal in the road race in 1984 in Los Angeles, the first
Olympics in which women's cycling was a full-medal event "One of the
reasons I came out is because they added the women's pursuit in the '92
Olympics Games and that was my best event when I raced before," Twigg
said.

Racing for Morgul Bismark, Twigg stands at seventh overall in her first
race since the Olympics, but her reasons for returning to the Celestial
Seasonings Bicycle Classic - the scene of some of her greatest moments
in racing - are less clear-cut than her reasons for coming out of
retirement.

"It's more training for next year," Twigg said, then paused and smiled
"And my boyfriend (Jamie Thrall), who was also in the Olympics, he
trains in Colorado, so I wanted to see him."

Twigg finished in the pack in Saturday's Vail Village Criterium, 44
seconds back in 17th, and overall she's 2:36 off the lead, but the
former Coors Classic Champion is riding with an eye to the future, a
future that just a few months ago was limited to programming
computers.

"Well, I'm not on a big team this year," Twigg said "I'd like to get on
a real known team, one that rides a lot of stage races " One like the
dominant 7-11 team of the '80s that she and Connie Carpenter anchored.

The rebirth of a major stage race in Colorado is a big plus not only
for women's cycling, but for the sport in general, Twigg said.

"It's really great," she said "I think they picked some of the best
races from the Red Zinger, Coors Classic. I'd like to see it expand;
it's got the potential, but it needs the sponsorship backing.

"Vail was easily the best-attended event of the Coors Classic, and I
hope that Celestial Seasonings now can make it a big race again.  This
used to be one of the best stage races in the world, and for the women,
probably the best."

Today's final stage, the legendary Morgul Bismark in Boulder, a stage
Twigg won in 1987 en route to taking the Coors Classic title, gives her
one last shot at trimming Inga Thompson's overall lead But Twigg wasn't
going out on a limb with a prediction.

"I'm lacking in endurance so I'm copping out on predicting that I'm
going to do well in that race, but you never know. I'm looking for a
top-10 finish."
-- 
Ron Larson                       |   If pro is the opposite of con,
Cray Computer Corporation        |   what is the opposite of progress??
lars@craycos.com  (719)-540-4232 |              Frank & Ernest
From: lau@femto.cs.umn.edu (Patrick Lau)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: zefal mini hp
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:31:19 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

I just got a mt. zefal mini double shot hp pump, and I could hardly get
it to pump up to 70 psi.(And it claims to pump up to 100 psi in 7 strokes.
Is this true?) Did I do something wrong, or does anyone else have the
same problem with this pump? Thanks for any help.

Patrick
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From: john@saturn.jpl.nasa.gov (John Veregge)
Subject: Re: How fast is fast enough???
Reply-To: john@triton.Jpl.Nasa.Gov
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena CA
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 23:25:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.220014.19462@chpc.utexas.edu>, apas611@chpc.utexas.edu (David Boles) writes:
|> I was wondering how fast people ride in USCF cat 3,4,(?)5
|> races here in the U.S.  I know that if you can time trial
|> 25 miles in 1 hr (I can't) that you can enter races and not
|> embarass yourself, but how fast do the lower end (absolutely
|> no offense meant since I'm sure you could all blow me away)
|> riders ride?
|> 
|> Just wondering ...
|> 
|> David Boles

If the question is merely academic, I can't help you. If you want to race,
find some regular training rides and participate. When you can hang in
there for the entire ride and the more experienced riders have stopped
swearing at you for making the same stupid and dangerous mistakes we all
made when we first learned to ride in a pack, you'll be fast enough. {-;

John R Veregge
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From: kjm@sactoh0.sac.ca.us (Kevin J. Metcalfe)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing,rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: World Championship Road -- Contest
Summary: Lots of climbing
Date: 4 Sep 92 14:30:41 GMT
Organization: Sacramento Public Access Unix

> In article <1992Sep2.201229.27471@hpcvusn.cv.hp.com> harry@cv.hp.com (Harry Phinney) writes:
> >
> >The posting I saw said there were 350 m, or over 1100 ft, of climbing in
> >each of 12 laps.  That makes it 4200 m, or almost 14,000 ft, of climbing
> >during the race.  It doesn't sound flat to me.
> 
> Pardon me. I didn't mean flat as in the Delta. I meant flat enough
> at 6% grade to keep the pack together if the climbing speed doesn't
> get skyrocketed by guys like Roche, Fignon and Zulle.
> 

There is a problem with this logic.  If you assume that nobody
hammers the climbs then you are assumming that the riders are going
at a comfortable pace.  What you forget is that what is comfortable
for the top climbers is not necessarily confortable for Bomtempi,
Ludwig, Museeuw, etc.  After 160 miles this will beat the hell out
of the sprinters even if there are no attacks at all, leaving all
of the climbers very fresh.  Though unlikely, this sets up an
interesting possibility.  How about a field sprint composed of
nothing but the climbers.  That might be a little different. :)
Picture 50 climbers barreling down on the line at ... about 25
miles per hour.

Later,

Kevin

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From: F.Brown@massey.ac.nz (F.J. Brown)
Subject: Tour of Holland: please post last two stages!
Summary: Last two stages ToH results wanted
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 92 20:35:17 GMT

HELP!

I never got the last two stages of the Tour of Holland results.   Did
Willem post them and they haven't got thru to me?   If so, could someone
repost them to the net / email them to me?   If they weren't posted, Willem
(or someone else) please please please put them on!

Thanks to all the good folks posting race results for us this year, they
really are appreciated!

Cheers,

Frith
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Agronomy Department             Phone:   +64 06 356 9099 ext. 8800
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From: steve@enterprise.den.mmc.com (Steve Gilbert)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: World Road Team Selection
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:42:05 GMT
Organization: Martin Marietta

I see from a previous article that Lance Armstrong is passing on the Worlds this
year in favor of Tour d'Avenir; a wise choice for him I might add.  However, had
he decided to ride would there have been a spot on the team available?  Now that
we are beginning to see a number of US pro cyclists who have the ability to
really compete in the pro road race, how does the team composition get decided
and how many riders are chosen?
--
/\                         Steve Gilbert
  \                        Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver
   \  /\    o_ ----'___,   steve@xanadu.den.mmc.com
    \/  \___O<O______
From: colin@snaefell.tamu.edu (Colin Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: TIOOYK
Date: 31 Aug 1992 18:25:04 GMT
Distribution: rec.bicycles.racing
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

In article <1992Aug28.200306.5577@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>  
les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:
> Thomas H. Kunich writes:
> >Would someone tell me what TIOOYK means?
> 
> This Is Obviously Obscene, You Know.

Take It Out On Your Kestrel
--
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From: tohall@ariel.lerc.nasa.gov (Dave Hall (Sverdrup))
Subject: Re: World Championship Road -- Contest
Summary: contest to pick the winners -- Men's RR, Women's TTT
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 31 Aug 1992 09:19 EST  

In article <1992Aug31.001001.14049@leland.Stanford.EDU>, djconnel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Daniel Connelly) writes...
> 
>Well, there's less than a week to go until the World Championships
>and I haven't yet seen any discussion here regarding potential
>outcomes of that race.
> 
>In the spirit of Bruce Hildenbrand's Tour contest, I therefore propose
>a contest to pick the winners of the world championship road events
>this year.  Although the outcomes of one-day races are inherently more
>random than three week stage races, the difficulty of the course
>should bring the best riders to the front.
> 

     Pretty hard to pick without some info on the course! Just how
mountainous is it?



- 
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From: mprime@tungsten.Berkeley.EDU (Michael B. Prime)
Subject: Re: Length of Races in the U.S.:  Too Short?
Organization: University of California at Berkeley
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:11:55 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.201711.17912@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest) writes:
>
>Collegiate racing already may be used to qualify for upgrading by
>experience.  If legislative proposal B31c is adopted, upgrading by
>experience may be used to get as high as men's Cat. 2.
>
>I see no practical way to base performance upgrading on collegiate
>race results as long as those races use a different category system.

I don't see a problem in using collegiates to upgrade on experience where
the district rep is familiar with the strngth of collegiate races.

>In a memo earlier this year, I tried to talk the collegiate committee
>into using USCF categories in their races but got no positive
>feedback.  This issue will be discussed further at the USCF meetings
>in Washington DC, September 24-27.
>
I am not sure if this means that using USCF categories for collegiate races
or upgrading based on collegiate races will be discussed. As a member of
the board that discussed Les' suggestions before and will in the future, I
must comment. Collegiate racing has it's own category system for a number
of reasons. Many collegiate riders, including some of the best A racers,
choose not to race USCF and prefer collegiate events. They would be Cat 5's
if they got a USCF license, and potentially unable to race in  the A cat.  
     Beacuse of the team format of collegiate racing, 
we need the freedom to choose which members of our team fill which
categories. If we had to abide by USCF categories there would probably be
riders left unable to race since their team's alotment of a certain
category were already filled. Note that there are some restrictions already
in place, like here in the Western conference, Cat 2's must race in the A
category and Cat 3's cannot race in the D category.
     The reasons for changing to the USCF category system seems to be for
convenience. If the drawback of having our own categories is that
collegiates wont count for USCF upgrades, then that is unfortunate.

Mike
From: marcs@slc.com (Marc San Soucie)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.racing
Subject: Re: RESULTS: Championship of Zurich.
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:45:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: slc.1992Aug26.174559.1558
Distribution: na
Organization: Servio Corp, Beaverton Oregon, US

Dennis Davis (ccsdhd@sunlab1.bath.ac.uk) writes:

> The new American professional Lance Armstrong probably caused
> something of a stir when he finished second in the Championship of
> Zurich...

> Championship of Zurich (Switzerland, 240km)
> 1.  V Ekimov  6h 0m 1s
> 2.  L Armstrong  at 14s

What was the term Bruce Hildenbrand used - 'raging'?

Think Motorola is happy to have their local Texas boy on the squad?
Like, go Lance Dude.

    Marc San Soucie
    Portland, Oregon
    marcs@slc.com
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From: les@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Les Earnest)
Subject: Re: TIOOYK
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Distribution: rec.bicycles.racing
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:03:06 GMT

Thomas H. Kunich writes:
>Would someone tell me what TIOOYK means?

This Is Obviously Obscene, You Know.

--
Les Earnest                                  Phone:  415 941-3984
Internet: Les@cs.Stanford.edu              USMail: 12769 Dianne Drive
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