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From: rudoff@mdd.comm.mot.com (Doug Rudoff)
Subject: Re: Fuck Christmas
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:37:17 GMT


[Diatribe against Xmas deleted]

A friend of mine was expressing similar sentiments. I told him to that
he should send out Christmas cards with a photograph of him, a can of
gasoline and a Christmas tree in flames.
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From: dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Bleeding heart liberals
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 17:31:57 GMT
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Organization: More like Dis~, really.
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In article <lieotoINN6jd@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, 242 lbs before cooking writes:

> (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
> >amicable conflict resolution I want to point out to you NAZI SWINE
> 
> Ahhh.  We have closure.  And so much more quickly than I could have
> hoped.

So many people are putting the brakes on threads by using
Godwin's Law.

It's kinda sad, really.

Sometimes it would be a lot of fun to see some utter reprobate
get his or her just desserts, with a few well placed swipes, from
MANY different players, over the course of a week or two, before
Nazi's or Hitler or Holocaust got mentioned.

Only sometimes. 

Most of the time shutting the noisy bastards up by seeming to
capitulate is the best course of action. And we all know that
Curtis is really a soft cuddly toy of a man, and not a real man
like, say, Iowa Dan. :-)^H^H^H [I don't know what came over me!]

Dac
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From: potler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Laura Potler (GSFC))
Subject: Re: bait (was: Re: Malcolm X)
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:25:36 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.222642.795@muddcs.claremont.edu> shampton@jarthur.claremont.edu (Scott M Hampton) writes:
>In article <1992Dec15.161339.5709@umbc3.umbc.edu> potler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Laura Potler (GSFC)) writes:
>>chris, wake up and smell the coffee [tm ann landers (or was it dear abby?)].
>>this woman wants you. bad.
>>
>>peeve: that men don't bake goodies as a way of luring women.
>
>	Hon, you wanna swing by and try my Baklava? Guaranteed best. And the
>torte....mmm. Mousse, pies, and tasty pastry all available at a low, low
>price. Really. I promise that the service (!) is as good as the food!

tasty pastry, huh? send me some samples and i'll get back to you.

peeve: what condition it'll be in once the postal service is done with it.

-l "better pack extra" p

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From: potler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Laura Potler (GSFC))
Subject: Re: Privileged Characters
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:59:48 GMT

In article <BzFrDB.LGL@vcd.hp.com> dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Dave Munroe) writes:
>The picture: yesterday we got some snow and, with temperatures near 31, the
>streets were slicker than seal snot.  This caused cars to spin out and get

peeve: the thought that someone got money to do a seal snot slickness study.

-l "figure 3: viscosity levels" p


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From: poser@vxdsyc.desy.de (Till Poser  -  ZEUS OFFLINE)
Subject: Re: Beatles Peeve
Reply-To: Poser@vxdsyc.desy.de
Organization: Deutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 21:03:27 GMT

In article <Bz3q9D.n39@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, 
Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk (Not Al Crawford) writes:

|>Whilst chatting to Helmut Kohl on the bus into work this morning (*) we

Urkh? Did he have his translator flunky around or were You resorting to 
the desperate recourse of speaking German?

Peeve: provincial politicians, that, apart from not being able to converse
       in at least one non native language (there is whole genre of Kohl
       jokes that center around quaint eponymous phrases such as "May I
       become a beefsteak?" or "Equal goes ist loose!"), fuck up big time 
       when it comes to what purportedly passes as their mother tongue!

|>(*) All the security and elaborate road closure schemes in force in
|>Edinburgh are a decoy. The cars that speed from hotel to Holyrood and back
|>in fact contain only minor functionaries, and all the European heads of
|>state are currently resident at the Bide-A-While guest house in Penicuik
|>and catch the number 65 bus into the summit each morning.

Now _there's_ information that should warm the cockles of any such person
sufficiently pissed at Europe's sorry political state and a willingness to
change said situation. I've got a little list...

|>		Not Al Crawford - Not_Al_Crawford@ed.ac.uk
|>      "Brothers, sisters, we don't need this fascist sheepdog thang"

       Till Poser         Internet: poser@vxdsyc.desy.de
-F35- ZEUS DESY/Freiburg  Bitnet:   POSER@DESYVAX
bldg.1b-235, Notkestr.85  Hepnet:   VXDESY::POSER (13313::Poser)
   D-2000 Hamburg 52      Tel.: -49-40-8998-2004
From: mzraly@ra.cs.umb.edu (Michael S Zraly)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Misquotes (Was: Work peeves)
Summary: I goofed, but so did at least one other person
Keywords: black cripple Jew
Date: 19 Dec 92 09:23:32 GMT
Organization: UMass/Boston

I said
> [...] Can we just say that he'll beat James Watt's
> "a black, a cripple, and a Jew" and be done with it?

Two kind souls informed me by e-mail that I had misquoted
the noteworthy environmentalist and Beach-Boys fan.

They each gave a different "correct" version, however: either

	"a black, a woman, two Jews and a cripple"

or

	"A black, a Jew, a cripple and a broad"

At least two of us must be wrong.

Peeve:	I goofed.

Peeve:	No easy way to look up the correct quote from work or home,
	and I really don't feel like searching through the old
	newspapers at the school library.

-- 
Mike Zraly		THERE'S ONLY ONE GOOD SOLUTION,
mzraly@cs.umb.edu	AND THAT'S BULLDOZERS AT 30 PACES
			-- headline in Wall Street Journal, 3 Dec 1992
From: booter@Autodesk.COM (Elaine Richards)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: More nomenclature (was Bleeding heart liberals)
Date: 15 Dec 92 04:59:02 GMT
Organization: The Autodesk Menagerie - Housecat Division

In article <1992Dec11.184554.6220@twg.com> nolan@twg.com writes:
>
>In article <1g8qr8INN57d@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, carolo@cse.ucsc.edu (Carol Osterbrock) writes:
>[stuff]
>        Well, actually, there was a baseball team called the
>        Bums, in Brooklyn not too long ago.  They packed up and
>        moved to LA and changed their name.  
>
>Bums dey wuz, and bums dey still is, in my book. T'row da bums out!
>--
>Nolan "Play ball!" Hinshaw



Uh, no, they were not really the "Bums". They were the Dodgers. We
just called them the Bums. The local parsons and priests, being more
delicate, called them "The Buttocks".

They were especially the Bums when they left Brooklyn and went to Cal.

My dad calls the Jersey Giants, "The Hackensack Hooples", but it has never
caught on.

ER
.

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From: banta@abingdon.Eng.Sun.COM (242 lbs before cooking)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves,alt.angst
Subject: Re: Fuck Christmas
Date: 17 Dec 1992 16:32:39 GMT
Organization: Sun, Moon, and Stars
NNTP-Posting-Host: abingdon

(Rachel J. Perkins) writes:
>listen, learn to read the header, or you'll never stop being a newbie.

Stuff a sock in it, Rachel.  I'm not searching for newbies, I'm
searching for fresh meat.  You're beginning to look an awful lot like
lunch.

>bah.

Good, now go hum a bug.

andy
banta@abingdon.sun.com
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 by those who have not got it."
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From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Pronounciation....(Was: The Eyes Are Everywhere)
Date: 15 Dec 92 18:42:52 GMT
	<lipdibINN99@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>
Followup-To: alt.peeves
Organization: NMSU Computer Science

<In article <lipdibINN99@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller) writes:

<   Peeve: the word "Nazism."  I've seen it in print a thousand times but 
<   never heard it actually spoken, so I have a vague sense of uneasiness 
<   that I'm pronouncing it wrong in my mind.  Is it "NOTZI-ism" or 
<   "NOTTS-ism?"

	I'm sure it is NOO-cue-lar....at least, that's the way
	Pres'dent Johnson usta say it.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: dare was right
Date: 15 Dec 92 01:51:42 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1gaqhlINNib7@transfer.stratus.com> scooter@hirgon.hw.stratus.com (Scott Jeffrey) writes:
|
|                         
|In article <Byv2BA.5ut@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis) writes:
|> In <92341.013625U35387@uicvm.uic.edu> Rupesh <U35387@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
|> 
|> >all the alt.tasteless groupies post to this group as well.  i was elated to
|> >see that my dear jenny also posts to this group.  
|>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> Just try not to drown in your own saliva, eh?
|
|And let's not bring up the subject of JG's nipples again, either.
 
I'm sure that she wanted to bring them up she'd bring them up herself.

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From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Boxing peeve.
Date: 16 Dec 92 10:53:50 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

Deprived of my favorite diet of Mid-South Wrestling, mixed with a snippet
of WWF, I have taken to watching boxing on TV, so I was patriotically
gratified when the WBC stripped an ugly american of his world championship,
on account of him being a lousy coward, and awarded it to Lennox Lewis, who,
apart from a brief sojourn in Canada, is British. You might have thought that
this would send the newspapers into an orgy of chauvinistic passion, 
extolling the virtues of the first British heavyweight champion for, well,
for a bloody long time. But no. You see the British public loves a loser,
and if it's a loser they're looking for, and a boxer as well, then they
need look no further than Frank Bruno, a man with an IQ somewhat less than
the number of punches he managed to land on Mike Tyson before decorating
the canvas with his backside. Frank appears in pantomimes at Christmas,
Frank appears on TV commercials, Frank appears very briefly in the boxing
ring, before waving the soles of his feet in the air and looking all
shame-faced and spaniel-eyed for the post-match interview. Frank is the
latest in a very long line of "horizontal heavyweights". Finally we have
a boxer who WINS fights!! - and look what happens to him - oblivion!!






-- 
===Jeremy Henderson===jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk=          

This message cost the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars.
Bloody good value if you ask me.
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From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves,alt.angst
Subject: Re: Fuck Christmas
Date: 12 Dec 92 00:08:05 GMT
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA

F. S. Symington blurts out:
>>Peeve: Seemingly reasonable people that procreate and can no longer
>>view anything from other than a parental point of view.  Christmas is
>>a commercial cluster fuck.  That some fat, scruffy hobo with lousy
>>fashion sense make your kids happy concerns me.
>
>drew you are obviously an ass and don't deserve more attention than
>this:
>	I read a news article from someone that seemed to be unhappy
>    	with the season and I thought I would share a personal
>	experience that would help that person get a better feel for
>	what the holiday spirit is about. Your assault on me was
>	uncalled for and stupid. I wish you luck in life....
>	You will need it.

Bwahahaha!

You silly bastard!  Who do you think you're talking to?!?!?!

I know drew.  I'm LIKE drew.  drew and I are both men in pain.  You see,
in one of the oddest coincidences I've ever known, drew and I both lost
our entire families this year:  he changed the brake pads on his wife's
car and installed the new ones incorrectly, ending up with his wife and
3 kids hitting a bridge abuttment and frying before they could get them
out of the car.  My wife...my wife was eaten by our pet 20 foot Green
Anaconda.

So while you're capering about the tree with your family this year,
spare a thought for us, The Lost Men, as we sit in our empty apartments
eating cold turkey TV dinners and playing game after game of Russian
Roulette.

Have a day.

   don
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From: scooter@hirgon.hw.stratus.com (Scott Jeffrey)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Apostrophe's in all the wrong place's
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:23:22 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: hirgon.hw.stratus.com

In article <ByrMv0.7E1@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, ljz57640@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (l.j.z. ) writes:
> masticol@cadenza.rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola) writes:

> >Peeve Du Jour:	Free-form punctuation.
> 
> >	It used to be that, around second grade or so, kid's were
> >	taught that apostrophe's should only be used in posessive's.
> >	Now the teacher's apparently feel that punctuation mark's
> >	should be free from such silly rule's, and don't teach the
> >	kid's the difference's between punctuating posessive's  and
> >	plural's. Where is their sense of value's? 

Amen.

> What's worse (notice the correct use of apostrophe) is when you see 
> COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS screwing up the apostrophe rules (notice the
> correct lack of apostrophe).  Par example:  a photo shop near my home
> had a sign in the window saying "Free double print's on Wednesdays."
> Another nasty is when they mess up the correct usage of present verb
> tense, such as "She find's it annoying when people do this."

	This reminds me of a similar peeve of mine:  Signs (usually hand-
written) with varying capital and lower case lettering.  As in a pizza
shop for example:  FReNCh FRIeS $.79.  You'd think that if the signmaker
wanted to convey any amount of intelligence, s/he'd go to the trouble of 
making sure the sign was neat.

scooter
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From: potler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Laura Potler (GSFC))
Subject: Re: bait (was: Re: Malcolm X)
Organization: University of Maryland Baltimore Campus
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 17:49:47 GMT

In article <29615@castle.ed.ac.uk> fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes) writes:
>potler@umbc4.umbc.edu (Laura Potler (GSFC)) writes:
>>peeve: that men don't bake goodies as a way of luring women.
>Damn! I *knew* I was doing something wrong.
>>-l "i've seen your etchings. show me your baked goods" p
>Mike "Where's the bloody rolling pin?" Holmes

peeve: that i have received many offers of late but no baked goods.

-l "the wellths fargo wagon iths a-comin..." p


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From: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM (Geoff Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: this is great!
Followup-To: alt.peeves
Date: 15 Dec 1992 16:23:36 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Menlo Park, Ca.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: geoffm@purplehaze.Corp.Sun.COM
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dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis) writes:

>During my infernal eight-month sojourn in St. Louis a few years back, I 
>ended up working as a "live-in aide" for a ninety-four-year-old man who
>had had two strokes;


So much for the idea that old farts lose their sex drive!


Geoff


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From: larry@peak.nmsu.edu (Evil Engineer doin' it the Cowboy Way)
Subject: my anticipator got old
Organization: New Mexico State University, MetaPhysical Science Laboratory
Distribution: alt.peeves
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:22:49 GMT

Yesterday I leaped out of bed at my usual 5:30 AM and turned up the
thermostat as usual, but nothing happened. After starting the coffee pot,
I returned to fiddle with the thermostat, then the furnace, trying to get
it going. Nothing.

Two cups of coffee later, more fiddling, and still no progress. The pilot
light was burning fine, and either the thermostat or the main valve wasn't
working. Since I couldn't see what could possibly go wrong with a mercury
switch, I figured it would be a more expensive item anyway - the main
valve. That would certainly be consistent with natural law. 

Consultation with the CO decided we would just call Metalcraft and have
them come out and fix it - I hate plumbing work anyway, and gas plumbing
in particular. We Evil Engineers ain't plumbers you know!

So the CO called them and stayed home until they came by. Then she calls
to report that nothing was wrong - it all checked out. In fact, after I
left for work the furnance came on normally. The guy said the only thing
it might be was that my *anticipator* was getting old or dirty..

It turned out that the anticipator is a little gidget on the thermostat
that apparently calibrates its hysteresis (God I love that word), and this
may have had a tiny particle of dust or something interferring with it.
The guy wiggled my anticipator, and suddenly everything is normal again!

This lesson in home thermodynamics cost me $33, but you're getting it for
free. 

/Peeve: All the money I saved by NOT replacing the main valve myself.

   (,,)
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L.
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From: nolan@twg.com (Nolan Hinshaw)
Subject: Re: A Definite Not-Peeve, involves money
Reply-To: nolan@twg.com
Organization: Checkemout Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:51:33 GMT


In article <1992Dec17.042804.15837@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, bberbeni@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Berbenich) writes:
[bill warns us of a pending windfall]
My particular fiscal antipeeve is participating in market research focus
groups. Just got a little Solstice bonus last evening, as a matter of fact,
and all I had to do was show up. The research firm overbooked the session, as
usual, and I happened to be one of three who got a meal and the fee but who
didn't have to participate in the evaluation. Tuff life, ain't it?
--
Cad a-dheanaimid feasta gan aidhmad?
From: scooter@hirgon.hw.stratus.com (Scott Jeffrey)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: dare was right
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:35:17 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
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In article <Byv2BA.5ut@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis) writes:
> In <92341.013625U35387@uicvm.uic.edu> Rupesh <U35387@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> 
> >all the alt.tasteless groupies post to this group as well.  i was elated to
> >see that my dear jenny also posts to this group.  
>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Just try not to drown in your own saliva, eh?

And let's not bring up the subject of JG's nipples again, either.

scooter

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From: yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Norman Yarvin)
Newsgroups: alt.peeves
Subject: Re: Get your fucking acts in gear
Date: 14 Dec 1992 17:00:01 -0500
Organization: Yale Computer Science Department
NNTP-Posting-Host: cathy.na.cs.yale.edu

dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis) writes:
>In <1gas6sINNd3e@CATHY.NA.CS.YALE.EDU> yarvin@cs.yale.edu (Norman Yarvin) 
>writes:
>>>  I used to worry about my short attention span, until I
>>>figured out the REAL problem [ObPeeve]:  film-makers who have no grasp of
>>>story-telling techniques whatsoever, and try to substitute a few plot-twists
>>>instead.
>>
>>"I used to worry about my idiocy, until I figured out the REAL problem:
>>film-makers who make films which are too complicated for me."
>
>Uh, wrong... if you can't even paraphrase someone with the slightest degree of
>accuracy, why even bother to respond?

Paraphrasing?  There would never be any reason for me to paraphrase you.
No, I was _translating_ your gibberish into language comprehensible by an
intelligent human being.  And what it says, in brief, is that you are not
merely an idiot.  You are an idiot who actively desires that other people
stoop to the same level of idiocy.

We have seen this already, of course.  Everything here that you do not
understand, you insult.  Almost without exception.

>  Never mind, rhetorical question... 
>we don't expect that much of you, even though most Ivy League compugeeks are 
>held to higher standards than that.

Most students around here indeed would not make personal attacks on others.
But this is because of their snobbishness, not their high standards.  


--
Norman Yarvin						yarvin@cs.yale.edu
 "I repeat once again: honesty is the rarest commodity in this university."
		- V. I. Fabrikant, (ex-)Concordia U.