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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: soc.motss.*
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 92 05:26:13 GMT

In article <47539@ogicse.ogi.edu> markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark
Morrissey) writes:

>I wouldn't mind seeing a soc.motss.announce and soc.motss.announce.d
>in addition to soc.motss, but soc.motss itself is just too steeped in
>lore to drop outright.

Possibly you're referring here primarily to keeping the
present acronym, for nostalgic or whatever reasons.  But as
someone else has already remarked, and I've spent some time
confirming it today, the Most High Ones of news
administration are adamant that groups of groups be named
according to Their Scheme, which is that if there's an
X.[abc], then there's no X without .[abc].  THe only
exception to this form allowed, I understand (no, I have not
checked all 2000+ newsgroups), is X.y.d for the meta-group
X.y.

Once again, I'm for the division idea *and* for changing the
base name to soc.lesbigay.

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
Subject: Re: Call/Fax/Write Fernandez
Organization: insert anything here
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 23:47:26 GMT

In article <18115@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:

>Forget BBC, and his ilk, they have extremely immature concepts of these
>issues.

	Owen, please state in 10000 words or less exactly how our
messages diverge that much?  I think you only said what other people
including myself and my "ilk" have already said.  When I got up this
morning I was queer --- last I checked I Was... at which point was
I supposed to have dropped off the boat?

	Or, in 25 words orless you can retract the above remark.

	[No, I'm not holding my breath, though I am surprised at
the unwarranted comment... since it doesn't address anything, but
it supposed to somehow be given of credibility... apparently
this must be an extremely mature concept thatI am not able to grasp.
Anyone care to enlighten me in e-mail?]

BBC
From: pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Top GLB Fiction
Date: 18 Dec 1992 17:38:58 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniblab.asd.sgi.com

>In article <cccrsbc8.724635893@brolga> cccrsbc8@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (cc rs) writes:
>>EM Forster:  Maurice
>>Radclyffe Hall:  Well of Loneliness
>>Nicholson:  Portrait of a marriage (Vita Sackville-West)
>>Paul Bowles: Pages from Cold Point
>>James Baldwin: Giovanni's Room
>>Ed White:  Boy's own Story
>>


My favorite:

"Dancer From the Dance"   - anyone remember the author?



pauli.
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Re: Castro Street (Re: Two threads:  women posting and "cures" and its spinoffs)
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:21:31 GMT


In article <168BC1112A.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu>, TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu writes:
|> In article <1992Dec12.014224.8123@spdcc.com>
|> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
|>  
|> >In article <168BAA428.TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu> TMCCART3@ua1vm.ua.edu writes:
|> >>As I see it, the problem that has come clear after all my badgering about
|> >>female invisibility on soc.motss is that (some of) the men here see things
|> >>in terms of two simple equations:
|> >>Visibility/attention = leering
|> >>Lesbian/women's issues = how women manage to have sex without dicks
|> >
|> >And I think you're out of line here.
|> >
|> I don't think so. First of all, witness that I didn't presume that
|> *all* men on soc.motss feel this way -- I'd have to be even more stupid
|> than you think I am to believe that M*lm*n speaks for all of you. I fully
|> realize that some -- you especially, Steve -- are so much more enlightened.
|> (Hint -- I'm being *sarcastic*.)

Even though saying that Steve is more enlightened than
Melman is damning with faint praise, I'm going to say it
anyway.  The disagreement you're having with Steve is a
very different thing than *any* interaction you could have
with Melman.
 
|> You will also notice that I wrote this in response to M*lm*n's comment
|> that "when they're ignored, des femmes fascistes feel hurt. When they
|> get attention, it's always the wrong kind of attention." Thanks for
|> removing that bothersome material that would have provided some con-
|> text for your little flame.

But in all fairness, even if Melman's comments inspired you,
your flames were directed *directly* at what I posted.

|> >>I'm not imagining this. One of my dear brothers on soc.motss, once he
|> >>got up the nerve to ask a question, could come up with nothing more
|> >>insightful than "What do lesbians do in sex clubs?" Perhaps I'm being
|> >>too hard on him, but I hear questions like that enough from *straight*
|> >>guys. I expect better here.
|> >
|> >Listen, Greg Parkinson doesn't have to get his nerve up to ask anyone
|> >a question.  You think he's getting his rocks off asking you that?
|> >Fuck you too.  Why don't _you_ get a clue, sister, and realize where
|> >_you're_ saying this?
|> >
|>  
|> I've been told by a fellow female whom I respect that I may have over-
|> reacted to Greg's question, and that is certainly a possibility. I no-
|> tice that no other women have seen fit to respond to it, though.

Not by posting, no.  But you should also notice that no one
other than you chose to say anything about its being inappropriate.

-- 
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New York, New York  10043
The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Ren and Stimpy (was Re: Bert and Ernie)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 19:42:42 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <biterrors@kaa.gr.osf.org> <18131@autodesk.COM>
  <1992Dec14.224637.13139@samba.oit.unc.edu>

Season Taylor writes:
>One of the Ren and Stimpy creators came and did a presentation in Chapel
>Hill about a month ago.  He was telling us about some of the things that
>had been censored from one of the episodes.  In the episode Ren and Stimpy
>were about to be hanged, and in the uncensored version Ren confesses to 
>Stimpy that he used Stimpy's tongue to soothe his saddle sores while he
>was sleeping.  Stimpy says, "I wasn't really asleep."

Um... I've *seen* that.

Of course, it may have been on the same tape as the infamous
"George Liquor" episode that Nickelodeon rejected outright,
where G.L. takes the pair home and tries to paper train them
both....

Of course, I *do* have friends in high places.  ;-)
 
() Given the choice, I'd have been outta there faster than you
() can click your heels together. Dorothy and Toto were full of
() shit.
()      -- Eric Holeman
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fvaughn@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Frederick Vaughn)
Subject: Re: My *sigh* ad in the Washington Blade
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:36:43 GMT

In article <Byy3n2.9t5@fig.citib.com> glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:

>Having been prodded awake myself this morning, I'm
>ripe for making such decisions, and I'd vote for Danny 
>Glover.  Can you imagine what his face looks like when 
>he cums?  Yeeeeha!

I CAN, BABY, I CAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FRED
-- 
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ELOY      !  UA_FEV@northeastern.edu (SECONDARY)
VAUGHN    !  "You better sit back, and open an umbrella, 'cuz there's 
	  !   gonna be a storm tonight!"
From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Pittsburgh, PA (was Re: Pittsburg, Pa)
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:50:54 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Distribution: usa
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.

In article <1992Dec11.020819.6841@gordian.com>, mike@gordian.com (Michael
A. Thomas) wrote:
> 
> In article <mattm-101292133838@mcmelmon.apple.com>, mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> > Tangent!  Tangent!  Aside from the obvious opportunity for Squirrel
> > jokes (tasteless Squirrel jokes - what with *tunnels* and all) -
> > anyone familiar with the Pasadena Freeway in Los Angeles may surely
> > attest to the fact that it is designed to *kill* *people*
> 
>   Isn't that where Sega got the idea for their Death Race 2000
> video arcade game? Those courses looks *mighty* familar. I'll
> bet if you look hard you can even make out the 4-level.

Your right!  Your right!  And those tunnels...  And that hill...
And those curves...  And those *TINY* *LANES*...

*X*
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: beezer@cc.utah.edu (BEEZER)
Subject: Re: An Apology
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: Salt Lick, UT
Date: 12 Dec 1992 01:39 MST  


But dear Lou IS a bitch...  quite an anal one at that.

Offense in this group stems from insecurity, not from some perceived
sign that the user of the word 'bitch' means to support directly or
indirectly any harm that the word has caused in the past or may in
the future.  Simple, Lou IS a bitch...  Among other things...
From: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Legos
Date: 11 Dec 1992 18:49:23 GMT
Organization: DEC Western Software Lab
Distribution: world
Reply-To: gnn@wsl.dec.com (George Neville-Neil)
NNTP-Posting-Host: camino.pa.dec.com

In article <1992Dec10.234008.19851@cabezon.uucp>, kenr@cabezon.uucp (Ken Richards) writes:
|> So I'm sitting here looking at all the new Lego kits I bought for myself
|> and am wondering: A 28 year old Lego Maniac - is this a gay thing or just an 
|> engineering geek thing?
|> 

Funny you should ask.  My other third loves them.  He has several sets, and insists that they helped him get through the stress of his PhD.  He's 29.  I like them as well, but not enough to go out and buy them for myself.  I just play with his :-)

Later,
George

-- 
We don't care, we don't have to, we're Amtrak.

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Soc.Motss.*
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 03:44:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.081817.23388@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu
(Nelson Minar) writes:

>Oh, did I mention that I have a splitting headache?

Gawd's doing it, I'm sure, as punishment for your excesses.
Rightly so, young whippersnapper!

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[Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888]
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From: dise@decoy.uoregon.edu (David Casti)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: NOTICE - Details of the March on Washington
Date: 14 Dec 92 21:41:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: pith.1giv1rINNt4
Reply-To: dise@oregon.uoregon.edu
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: cisco-ts2-line67.uoregon.edu

In article <1992Dec14.175317.1045@linus.mitre.org> jclander@texas.mitre.org  
(Julian C. Lander) writes:
> In article <15087.2b2c4871@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>,  
msp@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (Michael S. Pettersen) writes:
> |> In article <1ge112INNe3@plts.uucp>, tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)  
writes:
> |> Now I am curious to know what exactly is the text which implies the
> |> right to privacy.  Would somebody be willing to post it?
> |> 
> 
> Well, there actually isn't one.  Mr. Limoncelli guessed at the 12th
> amendment, but I checked the text of the U.S. Constitution, and that is the
> one that changed the method for voting for President and Vice-President of
> the U.S.
>
> If I remember correctly, arguments about privacy are based on the 10th
> amendment, which states (and I have the number and text right) that rights
> no enumerated in the U.S. Constitution are reserved to the States or the
> people.

Well, it is conceivable that the 10th amendment could be used, but that  
argument is very weak, especially in our current political setting.

Try the 14th amendment -- due process -- and the 4th -- protection from  
unlawful search and seizure.  The 14th was the primary constitutional ground  
that Roe v. Wade was argued under, and the 4th has been used in Oregon and  
California battling the religious right, as well as in Texas and Kentucky in  
fighting sodomy laws.
From: dh0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD L. HARDY)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: source of the word 'faggot' (was: Hey Edgar!)
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:14:05 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

>>   A far grimer possibility arises from the old punishment for
>> homosexuality, burning at the stake.  Hence homosexuals were fit for
>> burning, therefore faggots.

>Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.  The old punishment for homosexuality in England and
>English-speaking North America was hanging and/or drawing and quartering,
>not burning at the stake.

Okay.  Let's settle this.  I have heard the burning thing a LOT, but don't
believe it at ALL.  I think it is an urban legened.  If ANYONE can find a
documented case of a homosexual being burned as punishment, POST IT.  If
NOT, let's just can the whole burning thing.

D.

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******************************************************************************

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lsg001@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Graham Wilson)
Subject: Re: Deb's New Thang (was Re: Special Rights for Homosexuals)
Organization: Legal Department - Coventry University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:58:14 GMT

In article <Bz9DMJ.DD6@hpuerca.atl.hp.com> mhr@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>In <1992Dec12.001517.7136@samba.oit.unc.edu> czmt@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Season Marie Taylor) writes:
>
>
>One of my best friends (a straight female) and one of her friends (also
>orientationally-challenged, oops, I mean heterosexual :-) have decided
>there are only four "good" (attractive, caring, etc.) men in the world,
>but only one of them is up for grabs:
>
>   One is married.
>   The second the third men are a couple.


**Doesn't she mean five "good" men in the world...She forgot me (B-(


  

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         *      Graham Wilson      *  lsg001@cck.coventry.ac.uk  *
         *     LL.B.  Law  III     *     Coventry  University    *
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From: cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale)
Subject: Re: The MOW Platform (was Re: NOTICE - Details...)
Organization: DSG, Dept. of Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 22:32:41 GMT

In <1992Dec15.180815.10249@gordian.com>
mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>My point is that the MOW is a gay event and trying to make it into an
>all encompassing "indentity politics" is rather exclusionary
>since it implies that there is some sort of consensus on what
>those politics might be. There is not. 

I'm not too well up on the history of the organisation for MOW, so I am
asking this question out of ignorance...

*Was* MOW originally conceived to be a gay-only event? The assumption
that it was seems to be central to this discussion. For example, if MOW
was originally thought up and initially planned by a group of people
with diverse interests (G/L/B rights, abortion, TV/TG rights etc.) then
your claim that it is originally a gay event which has just recently
broadened in scope would be false.


>  Of course the organizers have their right to set up any
>agenda they want; it just strikes me that they are being 
>rather irresponsible by taking advantage of the situation.
>Most people are of the Jake-go-because-of-the-party mindset
>and will basically swallow any platform they are presented.
>I'm sure this fact was not lost on the organizers, so they 
>had pretty much free reign to do as they pleased.

I think you are crediting the organisers with too much forsight,
resources and cunning. In my (limited) experience of activism, if the
organisers of an event invest thousands of work hours and manage to
organise it 95% perfectly then people who weren't involved in the
organising will criticise the shabby 5% endlessly and will talk about
it as a fundamental flaw of the event and/or as signifying some
character flaw of the organisers.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the details of the platform
are among the 5% which the organisers of MOW screwed up on. They
probably screwed up on them because they were (and still are)
overworked, underfunded, underresourced and understaffed. Oh yes, and
they also had ten thousand other details to sort out to make MOW a
reality. Amongst all this chos, I doubt that the organisers could
manage to plan the platform with such subtlety and cunning as you claim
they did.


>  Yes, I know this is a whine and I'm not trying to hide
>that; it's just that it didn't have to be this way.

True. You could have helped to organise the event. Why is it that you
are blaming the organisers for organising it badly, rather than blaming
yourself for not helping them to organise it better?


Ciaran.
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: More Questions (was Re: source of the word 'faggot' (was: Hey Edgar!))
Date: 17 Dec 1992 09:57:05 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu


Anyone out there know what "gay deceiver" meant in the 19th
century?  Or how about "forty pounder"?  I ask because a friend
of mine called me last night to ask what the second and third
verses of "Dixie's Land" ("I wish I was in de land ob cotton /
Old times dar am not forgotten") were about.  At first he
thought that the "gay" in "gay deceiver" might have meant
"homosexual".  I disabused him of that notion quickly, but
I haven't any idea what these verses (written by a blackface
Yankee minstrel in 1859) are really about.  Can anyone help?

   Old Missus marry "Will-de-weaber,"
   Willium was a gay deceaber;
		Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land.
   But when he put he arm around'er,
   He smilled as fierce as a 'forty-pound'er.
		Look away! etc.

	Chorus -- Den I wish I was in Dixie, etc.

   His face was sharp as a butcher's cleaber,
   But dat did not seem to greab'er;
		Look away! etc.
   Old Missus acted de foolish part,
   And died for a man dat broke her heart.
		Look away! etc.

	Chorus -- Den I wish I was in Dixie, etc.


ObBerninger: the LA City Council vote to boycott Colorado
is largely symbolic, since the boycott affects only official
city travel to that state (which is negligible), and it 
doesn't affect existing city contracts or future contracts
in excess of $25,000.  But I suppose the symbolism is nice.

Arne
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jclander@texas.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)
Subject: Re: A Taste of Culture
Keywords: Gay food 
Reply-To: jclander@texas.mitre.org (Julian C. Lander)
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, Va
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:17:31 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.183021.405@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, rcrice@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roger.w.crice) writes:
|> One of the things I like about this forum is that in spite
|> of threads like the "Mother Speaks" and "Fernandez" discus-
|> sions, somebody usually posts something laugh-out-loud funny
|> at least once a day.  We have a lot of creative people here.
|> 
|> So, I need some creative suggestions:  The Affirmative
|> Action committee here at my office hosts on occasion an
|> event they call "A Taste of Culture."  In fact we're having
|> one today.  For "A Taste of Culture," we are encouraged to
|> bring in foods from different cultures, provide the recipe
|> and a little explanation about the dish and/or its place of
|> origin.  This event is meant to encourage an awareness and
|> appreciation of cultural diversity within the workplace.  
|> 
|> When I first heard about this, I thought to myself What
|> sort of food could I share with my coworkers that would
|> represent *my* culture?  All I could think of was canape's
|> and cocktails.  When I read a note from the event coordinator
|> asking everyone to please consider bringing in a *dish*, I
|> thought Well, I just *have* to ask the good folks at
|> soc.motss about this.  After all, we have been accused of
|> being among the Cultural Elite.
|> 
|> So, how about it?  Is there any food that truly represents
|> queer couture?  Does anyone have a favorite "dish?"
|> 
|> 

Well, dear, if your looking for favorite *dish*, you'll have to
decide for yourself.  How about the real story of Rock Hudson's life?
Or Cary Grant, about whom the rumors fly?  (To me, at least, dish is
a term with reference only to Hollywood.)  I leave it to you....

Oh! You meant food.  

Well, it may not matter very much what it is, but it has to be 
Absolutely Perfect.  In fact, you have to have thrown out the
first nine attempts because they weren't Absolutely Perfect.  
It should also be so artistic that no one can tell whether it is
to be eaten or looked at.  

And only microscopic amounts of meat, if any.  Meat, in quantity,
is for those dreadful, cruel, straight men.  

In the back of my mind is a recipe for a pastry or possibly a souffle
which is sufficiently delicate that damp weather makes it virtually
impossible to produce.  I think it's pastry.  Something like that
is perfect--you'll have to postpone because the weather was prohibitive.

[For the humor-impaired, :-).  And, yes, my idea of quintessentially
gay is effeminate and decorative.  I am a product of my times.  Yet,
although I may be effeminate on occasion, I don't think I'm that 
decorative.  But I digress.]

Julian C. Lander
jclander@mitre.org
Newsgroups: soc.motss