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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:39:24 PDT
From:         RIEHL@USCVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: My experiences with LISTEARN

On Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:45:30 +0200 Eric Thomas said:
>I don't want to enter this debate, but  I have to say just one thing: the
>EB0UB011  server has  been chronically  screwed up  since about  the time
>Jose-Maria left the place. The degree  of screwup has indeed increased at
>about the same  time LISTEARN was installed,  but it may or  may not have
>been a direct  consequence. The one thing  that is clear in  this mess is
>that the people who were in charge of the server at that time were pretty
>unresponsive, to  use gentle  words, and mail  to Postmaster  returns "no
>such  local user"  while the  registered technical  contact had  moved to
>greener pastures and nobody bothered to read his mail regularly.
>
>  Eric

I cant disagree.  I have had problems with the lack of response from
the site, for an extended period of time, until Christina showed up.
Christina, while under the same time and knowledge constraints as many
of us, is dealing with the problems.  I think it would be best to now
assist her in providing solutions to the problems.

specifically, there is a list, AIDS, which is peered between USCVM,
RUTVM1, and EB0UB011.  what would be the best procedure to move the
peer from EB0UB011 to another site (EBCESCA1), without causing loops
and errors?

I would think that each peer would halt the list (somehow).  then
USCVM and RUTVM1 would update the peer names while Christina moved
it, then we would free the lists.

jr
(john riehl)
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Date:         Tue, 25 Aug 1992 15:31:09 EDT
From:         "Duane D. Weaver" <WEAVER@OHSTVMA.BITNET>
Subject:      Distribute work/local list mail

Unless I misunderstand how LISTSERV works, LISTSERV first completes
any work it has for backbone distribute jobs before processing
any work for the lists hosted at the local site.

Would it be possible for a future release of LISTSERV, to interrupt
its processing of any distribute queue (if there is any) and process
any mail for the locally hosted lists?
From: sascmc@UNX.SAS.COM (Christopher Mark Conn)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.lstsrv-l
Subject: Re: getting a filelist 80 column or less format
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:27:39 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc., Austin, Texas
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              92 1:21 pm

>
> I'm not used to working in a non-VM environment when it comes to LISTSERV
> but I got a question about the format files are sent in, specifically,
> the filelist file, if it contains records greater than 80 bytes.  I tested
> this and sure enough LISTSERV sends the file in Listserv-Punch format
> no matter what you specify on the "F=fformat" option of the get command,
> IF the file contains records greater than 80 bytes.  Won't a list keeping
> notebooks ALWAYS have a filelist greater than 80 bytes?
> Is there anyway to override this?  Is there a way to send the filelist
> truncated to 80 bytes or less?  Thanks in advance for you help.
>
>
> --Greg Kroll
>

I'd be interested in the answer to this too and would like to tack
on another question: can I do a PUT to my listserv list on a VM machine
from a UNIX-type (AIX) machine?


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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 09:32:49 EDT
From:         Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRORS12.BITNET>
Subject:      BPCLERMONT gateway
Comments: To: lstern-l@frmop11.BITNET

I just heard from Dominique Dumas and she says that the problem of
bpclermont gateway is known since July, but I guess unfixed since then.
She says it's not a problem of the gatway actually, but the machine OCF
(Observatoire de Clermont-Ferrand).  Regards, -turgut
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Date:         Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:24:40 CDT
From:         "Jonathon Simon" <JSIMON@TRINITY.BITNET>
Subject:      Compilation of LISTSERV

What's the latest on REXX compilation of LISTSERV.  Is it worth it?
Does it have any significant impact on performance.  We are looking
for anything that can help drop our CPU level during prime time.

Thanks in advance.
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:22:42 EDT
From:         "A. Harry Williams" <HARRY@VM.MARIST.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Professional???

On Fri, 4 Sep 1992 10:56:18 CST <GT2150@SIUCVMB> said:
>
>    I find this a little disturbing, is this the expected reply or attitude
>that I am going to get from the postmaster when a problem arises. While I may
>not be entirely versed in the subject or the particular matter at hand I am
>concerned with the attitude of those I am likely to be working with at some
>future date.   I work with a server and am still learning the ins and outs
>and it is likely that i will have to call upon the Postmaster from time to
>time, and I do not like being told that being a bit netter makes me a pain
>in the ****. I would have expected a more professional attitude from a
>postmaster, perhaps I have expected too much from one that is obiouslly not
>a *BITNET* netter.
>
I imagine that Christina is feeling a little defensive,
and feels she has walked into a buzz saw.  She has been
helpful to me when I have requested help in the removal
of EB0UB011.  As I said in my last posting, let's please
backup and look at the situation.  There are problems,
but if we work together, maybe we can deal with them.
/ahw

(Is LW on this list?  Maybe I can start an OS-war too! :-)
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:21:58 CST
From:         "Juan M. Courcoul" <COURCOUL@VMTECQRO.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: LISTSERV Questions
Comments: To: Adam Floro <CA1225@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU>,
              "Forum on LISTSERV release 1.7" <LSTSRV-L@UGA.BITNET>
              2 Sep 1992 10:56:48 CST from <CA1225@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU>

On Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:56:48 CST you said:
>From:  Adam Floro
>First of all, I am trying to 'get' LSVPUT EXEC from LISTSERV
>and it won't send it to me.  LISTSERV says LSVPUT EXEC is
>unknown.  What's wrong?  Should I add this to a FILELIST
>such as TOOLS FILELIST?

That is the correct behavior, since LSVPUT is not found in any of the default
FILEIDs for the standard filelists. The only way to get LSVPUT, hence, is by
accesing a Listserv 191 minidisk and sending/copying the file.

You should not modify the default (standard) filelists at all. These are
INFO, CONTROL and TOOLS. LISTSERV FILELIST needs to be modified when you
want to add a new filelist to your server only.

>I'm also trying to get and put LOCAL SYSVARS and that will
>not work either.  Presumably for the same reasons as the
>above problem.  Any ideas?

I can only assume that Eric deliberately excluded these files from the
standard filelists for security reasons. Given the sensitive nature of all
the SYSVARS files, the safest route is to log onto the server's console.

>  MDISK.200 = '* N W L 85 95 //200: public file library.'
>  CHECKMDISK = CHECKMDISK '200'
>
>We told LISTSERV to link to 200, did a STOP REBOOT, and then
>a QUERY DISK, and there's no 200 disk accessed.  Ben, are
>you listening?  Any ideas on this one?

Working perfectly well.

You have told the MDISK code that the 200 minidisk is to be dynamically
accessed. So, after the startup verification, the minidisk is NOT accessed
until it is really needed. If you want QUERY DISK to see it, do an operation
that puts/gets info on that disk and THEN run QUERY.

Did ya check the server's console when it restarted ? The MDISK code will have
displayed the current state of all the minidisks, including those with
dynamic access.

>I seem to be missing some of the documents and need to retrieve
>the rest.  Where are they?

Recalling (from memory) one of the various info files I received when
I did my latest LISTSERV installation, "what you see is what you get..."
In other words, much of the listed documentation was planned but never
written. One of the reasons why Listserv maintenance is still somewhat of
a black art, including a good dose of obscure and mysterious (to the
uninitiated) incantations.... ;)
>
Relax; the code is well behaved  and all the commands are really logical,
once you get to know them.
>Southern Illinois University                  IP:  CA1225@131.230.1.2
JMC
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:45:30 +0200
From:         Eric Thomas <ERIC@SEARN.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: My experiences with LISTEARN
              2 Sep 1992 09:29:13 EDT from "Forum on LISTSERV release 1.7"
              <LSTSRV-L@SEARN>

I don't want to enter this debate, but  I have to say just one thing: the
EB0UB011  server has  been chronically  screwed up  since about  the time
Jose-Maria left the place. The degree  of screwup has indeed increased at
about the same  time LISTEARN was installed,  but it may or  may not have
been a direct  consequence. The one thing  that is clear in  this mess is
that the people who were in charge of the server at that time were pretty
unresponsive, to  use gentle  words, and mail  to Postmaster  returns "no
such  local user"  while the  registered technical  contact had  moved to
greener pastures and nobody bothered to read his mail regularly.

  Eric
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From: FHD@tamvm1.tamu.edu (H. Alan Montgomery)
Subject: Problem: It says it can't reach a node for 3 days. Huh?
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 00:01:56 GMT

I run the lists SEDSNEWS and SEDS-L.   Every once in  a  while  I  get  a
countdown message.
 
The most current one is  that  MUMFORD.MIT.EDU  cannot  be  reached  from
RICEVM1 for 3 days. I get a message to that extent from  RICEVM1. Then  I
get another message that the mail will be saved for 5 days.
 
In another case I got a message every three days for two  weeks.  I  have
ACTIVE lists. That five or ten bouncebacks/day.
 
Courtesy question: Do I complain to gate POSTMAST (in this case  RICEVM1)
that the link is down or simply suck it up  until  someone  else  notices
that you can't get there from here? I know I can just set NOMAIL or UNSUB
the guy,   but I thought there might be someone who  knew  of  a  way  of
finding out what the problem is short of  sending  a  flame  to  a  maybe
innocent person.
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:12:07 EDT
From:         Yingying Zhou <ZHOU@BITNIC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Support for ':oldnode.'/':newnode.' tags in 1.7d

On Wed, 26 Aug 92 12:32:16 EDT Larry Snodgrass said:
>understand its meaning and use and I would like for us to get together
>and discuss it when its convenient.  Jim, if you'd like to participate
>
>Larry

I'm pretty flexible.  Just let me know in advance when you settle the
time.  Thanks.

Yingying
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Date:         Fri, 4 Sep 1992 12:01:03 CET
From:         Cristina Blanxer <ZCOCBF01@EBCESCA1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: My experiences with LISTEARN
Comments: To: Darren Evans-Young <DARREN@UA1VM.UA.EDU>
              3 Sep 1992 17:11:15 CDT from <DARREN@UA1VM.UA.EDU>

On Thu, 3 Sep 1992 17:11:15 CDT you said:
>
>Harry,
>
>You are not alone. I went through HELL trying to remove my IBM-MAIN
>peer.  I was never personally advised that EB0UB011 was going away.
>I just happened to get wind of it through RELAY-L. It took me hours

  Right, Darren. As the node is going to fade away, the server RELAY
was been shut down.
  Let me tell you that you work stupidly more than you needed. It shows
that you don't have much work to do otherwise, you would have thougt
of a way of getting in contact with the postmaster of listserv, who
is SERVEMAN@EB0UB011, where i got nothing from you. I posted my mail
to the list RELAY-L asking for help and explaining the situation, sure
you could have contact me then, asking about LISTSERV. At least with
1 answer, i would have known that my message had been read. But NO ONE
answer to me. As i said, LISTSER@EB0UB011 is ill, as NOBODY TOOK CARE
OF IT FOR OVER TWO YEARS AND A HALF. You Darren, if really had so bad
service for so long, should have tried to move your list from here
long ago instead of waiting till the last minute. In any case, with my
help it would have been easier.
 There is nothing wrong wiht LISTEARN, but only with LISTSERV@EB0UB011.
 Do I make this point clear, now?
 And please, stop it. Let me work. Otherwise i can take another solution.
 What about that:
    "It's been decided that we are not able anymore to provide to users
the LISTSERV services. That's why we urge all owners to take whatever
actions they consider necesary, as this server will be logged off  the
15 th. of september, 1992"

 Is this what everybody wants? Why nobody seems to take a positive
actitude? Why not to thing "Good, something is moving and from now
onwards this is going to work"? I'm extremely dissapointed from
bitnet people (excuses for those few who have actually helped me).
 I hope I don't have never more to work together, because it's a real
pain in the ***.
  Sincerely yours:
             Cristina Blanxer (postmaster of LISTSERV@EB0UB011,
                               postmaster of LISTSERV@EBCESCA1)
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Date:         Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:02:00 CDT
From:         TI0DAK1@NIU.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Help wanted.

How do I obtain the file NEW_LIST.CREATE?
Thanks, Daryl ti0dak1@niu.bitnet
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:23:58 EDT
From:         Yingying Zhou <ZHOU@BITNIC.BITNET>
Subject:      Please ignore my previous mail

I appologize for my previous posting.  I forgot to change the header so
mail came to this list instead of go to someone else.

Yingying Zhou
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:07:47 EDT
From:         Jim Gerland - Network User Support <GERLAND@UBVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: LISTSERV Questions
              2 Sep 1992 10:56:48 CST from <CA1225@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU>

On Wed, 2 Sep 1992 10:56:48 CST Adam Floro said:
>First of all, I am trying to 'get' LSVPUT EXEC from LISTSERV
>and it won't send it to me.  LISTSERV says LSVPUT EXEC is
>unknown.  What's wrong?  Should I add this to a FILELIST
>such as TOOLS FILELIST?

No, the correct way to get a copy of LSVPUT EXEC is to send
LISTSERV the command INFO PUT and have it sent to you.

>I'm also trying to get and put LOCAL SYSVARS and that will
>not work either.  Presumably for the same reasons as the
>above problem.  Any ideas?

You should not GET that file either.  Either stop LISTSERV and
edit the copy directly (which is what I do) or send LISTSERV
the command SF LOCAL SYSVARS, edit it, and then LSVPUT LOCAL
SYSVARS (PUTC it back to LISTSERV (I have not tried that).

>Also, we defined a 200 disk following Ben Chi's doc.
>We added the following to LOCAL SYSVARS as instructed
>by Ben Chi:
>
>  MDISK.200 = '* N W L 85 95 //200: public file library.'
>  CHECKMDISK = CHECKMDISK '200'
>
>We told LISTSERV to link to 200, did a STOP REBOOT, and then

How did you tell LISTSERV to LINK its 200?  By a DIRECT entry?

>Finally, where can I find the LISTSERV Library mentioned in
>Appendix A of some of documents I am using for LISTSERV.
>I seem to be missing some of the documents and need to retrieve
>the rest.  Where are they?

The docs that exist are all on LISTSERV's 191 disk.  Look for
* REFCARD and * MEMO.


Jim Gerland  - Consultant, Network User Support           University at Buffalo
Academic Services, Computing & Information Technology     Buffalo, NY 14260
716.645.3557 Work                                         716.645.3734 FAX
gerland@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu                              gerland@ubvms.bitnet
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Date:         Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:53:56 EDT
From:         Jim Conklin <JBC@BITNIC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Support for ':oldnode.'/':newnode.' tags in 1.7d

Larry, if you don't mind waiting for my return, that'd be nice.  Otherwise,
you can brief me, which is also OK.
                                   Jim
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From: shane@utdallas.edu (Shane Davis)
Subject: Re:      Compilation of LISTSERV
Reply-To: shane@utdallas.edu
Organization: The Univ. of Texas at Dallas, ACC
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:07:23 GMT

In article <LSTSRV-L%92090318283319@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>,         "Jonathon Simon" <JSIMON@TRINITY.BITNET> writes:
|> What's the latest on REXX compilation of LISTSERV.  Is it worth it?
|> Does it have any significant impact on performance.  We are looking
|> for anything that can help drop our CPU level during prime time.
|> 
|> Thanks in advance.

I have compiled it with both IBM REXX and PROREXX (from Systems Center). We
decided not to purchase either of these packages, but here are some numbers
from LISTSERV 1.6e(?) compiled with the IBM REXX compiler on a 4381-13 with
3380 DASD under SP 5:

SHOW BITEARN command
                               Compiled        Regular
CPU sec.                           .15            .62
Paging                              61             16
WS (observed maximum IND USER)     225            174

NODESGEN command

CPU                              39.37         113.62
Paging                             127             82
WS                                 377            326

DIST2 job (4 local, 1 remote recipient)

CPU                                .40           1.61
Paging                              59              7
WS                                 269            216

The PROREXX compiler was much faster at compiling the programs, but the CPU
times were slightly higher for PROREXX (approximately 50% of the uncompiled
times) and the working set requirements (both idle and busy) were higher. I
helped Systems Center fix several bugs in the compiler, too (mostly buffer
overflow situations). The IBM compiler was SLOW, but I guess you only have
to do it once.

Though we could, of course, use any extra CPU, our machine's primary
performance problems come from paging/real storage demands. So, I would
rather use twice as much CPU and half the memory.

Eric is gradually switching LISTSERV functions to compiled HLL modules, so
the need for compiling the REXX functions is reduced with every release.

--Shane
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Date:         Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:49:56 CDT
From:         David E Boyes <dboyes@IS.RICE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Problem: It says it can't reach a node for 3 days. Huh?
Comments: To: LSTSRV-L%UGA.BITNET@ricevm1.rice.edu
              Sep 1, 92 12:01 am

> The most current one is  that  MUMFORD.MIT.EDU  cannot  be  reached  from
> RICEVM1 for 3 days. I get a message to that extent from  RICEVM1. Then  I
> get another message that the mail will be saved for 5 days.

Interesting. I wasn't aware that we were generating such awful
stuff -- I'll have to look into this.

> Courtesy question: Do I complain to gate POSTMAST (in this case  RICEVM1)
> that the link is down or simply suck it up  until  someone  else  notices
> that you can't get there from here?

Send mail to postmaster, please. At 187,000+ pieces of mail a day,
it's hard to see individual problems. If you include a copy of
the bounced message, it's usually helpful.


David Boyes
postmaster, ricevm1.rice.edu
dboyes@rice.edu
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Date:         Sat, 22 Aug 1992 20:40:00 EDT
From:         CHRIS TANSKI <CAPTANSKI33@SNYCORVA.BITNET>
Subject:      List

OK, let me be more specific. I'd like to start a discussion list about
golfing. I think that's a little more specific. I don't know how or
where to begin. Any help would be appreciated.

Chris Tanski

captanski33@snycorva.bitnet
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Date:         Sat, 29 Aug 1992 08:50:37 -0400
From:         Stephen Baker <sbaker@UMASSMED.UMMED.EDU>
Subject:      Proposed list needs host

I would like to establish a new list to be called egret-l and am looking for
a friendly site to host this list.  The purpose of the list would be to
foster communications between users and others interested in the epidemiological
software package EGRET.  I anticipate the list to be of low to medium volume
(2-3 messages a day or less) and consist of news, hints, advice, and pleas
for help i.e. it will be in the same vein as sas-l, spss-l.

Egret is probably the most sophisticated edpidemiological software package
out there however the user base is only several thousands as there just aren't
that many epidemiologists around!

Please contact me directly as I don't subscribe this list if your site would
host this list, it would be much appreciated. Thanks.

(ps. disclaimer: I have no interest in Egret, other than as a user)



Stephen P. Baker                                phone:  (508) 856-2625
Lecturer in Biostatistics                               (508) 856-2440 fax
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Date:         Wed, 2 Sep 1992 09:09:31 CDT
From:         Marty Hoag <NU021172@NDSUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Help wanted.

On Tue, 1 Sep 1992 17:02:00 CDT <TI0DAK1@NIU> said:
>How do I obtain the file NEW_LIST.CREATE?
>Thanks, Daryl ti0dak1@niu.bitnet

   Hmm - that sounds suspiciously like NEW-LIST CREATE on
LISTSERV@NDSUVM1 (LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu).  It is just a SHORT generic
description of considerations for starting a new list.  You can get it
by sending the command

    GET NEW-LIST CREATE

in the BODY of mail to LISTSERV@vm1.nodak.edu or using anonymous ftp to
vm1.nodak.edu, CD NEW-LIST and   get new-list.create .

   It is NOT any help for setting up LISTSERV lists - just a general
introduction we've used in association with the "new-list" list
announcement service.

        Marty
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