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From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      URGENT PRAYER-CHRISTIA PRAYER WARRIORS

Dear Prayer Warriors,

A special education teacher's 2 year old son at my daughter's high school
had a bad  accident the day before  yesterday. He was playing  on a glass
coffee table while the  parents were in the next room.  They heard a loud
crash and  when they  came into the  room they found  that the  glass had
sliced him  right across his  stomach. It was so  bad that you  could see
his intestines.  He is now in  intensive care at the  Scottish Rite Chil-
dren's  Hospital in  Georgia.  He  is on  life  support  now after  being
revived at  the hospital.  Please be  praying for  him and  as soon  as I
get any news, I will let you know about his progress.

Dear Heavenly Father,

We  come before  you asking  you to  save this  little boy  and heal  his
body.  Please surround  him  and his  family with  Your  peace and  love.
Give the  doctors the knowledge  and ability  to help save  this precious
one.  Lord we  thank You  in  advance and  pray  that Your  will be  done
in Jesus Name.  In Jesus Name we pray.  Amen and Amen.

Thank you prayer warriors!!!

Your sister in Christ,

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From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: THANKFULNESS MONTH-IAIN

Dear Iain,

I just had to give a PRAISE THE LORD AND HALLELUJAH!!! for that beautiful
testimony.  God  is  awesome  and  worthy of  all  our  praise.  Christia
we  need to  hear  more testimonies.  You  know the  Lord  is moving  and
many will  be won  by our  testimonies (Smile).  Let's hear  some more!!!
May God  continue to  keep you  in His  tender loving  care and  give you
His love, joy, and peace always.

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--
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From:         Bernice Tennant <U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Ozzy Osbourne

Well I had heard that  he had become CHristian but then I heard about some of
his actions at a concert in Pa. and I felt that he needs to pray more often and
trust in Jesus  a good bit more.
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From:         spk@ABERYSTWYTH.AC.UK
Subject:      Re: Change of subject #1

Yesterday I stood in our church car park which overlooks the sea. There
was a three foot ground swell which was throwing spray high into the
air (the tide was in, so the waves were hitting the sea wall). The
visibility was good and I could see all the mountains of Snowdonia
coloured white with fresh falls of snow.

I would like to give thanks to God for the beauty of his creation.

But there is more:

A few weeks ago we climbed two of the Rhinog peaks in Snowdonia - Diffwys
and Y Llethr. The bracken had turned a rust red colour as it does in
late October, and from the summit we looked out upon a vast expanse of
the unpopulated "Welsh Desert" covered in this red blanket.

It seems to me that the colour of the mountains seem to be a visual aid
from God - As we are covered by the blood of Christ, so are we made pure
- as white as snow - the righteousness of Christ.

Stephen.

P.S., Just to top it all we saw a Red Kite while we were up there.
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Date: Tuesday, 17 Nov 1992 12:06:44 EST
From: Marty Helgesen <MNHCC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
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Subject: Re: The Gospel

In article <CHRISTIA%92111707312968@ASUACAD.BITNET>, Jesse Carnes
<NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET> says:
>
>Marty ;
>
>I used to own a copy of Vat II.
>It changed FORM but not DOCTRINE.  If it had, things like the Canons of Trent
>would have been encrouched.
>
>
>Jesse

That is what I said to Memo.  That is why I said I did not understand
what he was saying.  The doctrines of the Catholic Church have not
changed.  The doctrines of the Catholic Church are not secret either.

-------
Marty Helgesen
Bitnet: mnhcc@cunyvm   Internet: mnhcc@cunyvm.cuny.edu

"Just say know to Gnosticism"
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:01:32 -0500
From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: Ozzy Osbourne

Among other things, Ozzy has been known to bite off the heads of live animals
(birds?) during his concerts.

He's heavily into occultic imagery, too.

Eric
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From:         "Glenn Radinsky S05152@doc.flc.colorado.edu"
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Subject:      Thanksgiving praise and thanks list

Dear all:

     Here is the list I have put together of things to be
thankful for.  This was not put together specifically for
this request, but specifically to thank the Lord:


                 Things to be Thankful for:

 1.  A growing relationship with Christ.

 2.  A good place to live with a roof to sleep under.

 3.  A good, loving family who is willing to support me to
the extent that it is good for me.

 4.  Being able to attend college.

 5.  That I have been steadily employed, with all of the
hours I need available.

 6.  That I am attending a good college that offers a sound
spiritual base through which to grow and learn,
especially since it is a secular college.

 7.  That God is directing my life to some extent, and this
extent is going to be improved as I learn how to get
out of the way.

 8.  That my bosses and professors seem to value my opinions
and are willing to work with me as far as on the job
improvement is concerned.

 9.  That I have at least a moderate degree of intelligence
and that I am in at least good enough physical
condition that I am able to improve it.

 10. That I will go into an uncertain future with my hand in
the hand of Jesus and my heart in the heart of Jesus.

                                Glenn
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:47:07 EST
From:         Marissa Ratcliff <MRATCLIF@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Christian Shirt Designs
              19 Nov 1992 03:34:06 GMT from <S096216@UMRVMA.UMR.EDU>

Dear Walter,

  My hometown church had a prison ministry.  The T-shirts they wore to prison h
ad an open cell door on the front and this phrase on the back:
  "If you don't feel close to God, guess who walked away?"


Marissa F. Ratcliff            Document Delivery
University of GA               Science Library
Athens, Ga
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 07:42:48 EST
From:         Bernice Tennant <U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Ozzy Osbourne

Not everyone that claims CHrist, has him.  If you do not have the Spirit of
Christ living within you, then you do not have Christ.
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:18:00 EST
From:         "jones, mark" <JMJONES@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Prayer request
              19 Nov 1992 11:24:49 EST from <BSCURR01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Dear Brenda and Friends,
I am touched deeply by the prayers and prayer requests which I have been
privileged to receive from Brothers and Sisters on Christia.

Brenda, I want to thank you for sharing the situation of the little girl
in Louisville, KY. Dear Lord! I am absolutely broken by this report. I really
believe that Jesus' heart is as broken as ours as he lifts this sweet little
soul before the Father. Father God, we lift this little one up to you for
your special love, comfort and complete healing of body and emotions. It is
time, saints, for us to move into warfare against this evil. We must come
against the principalities and evil which govern such heinous activity.
It is my prayer that the individual who perpetrated this perverse and
demonic act be caught and brought to justice, and that ultimately they could
come to repentance. God bless you all, and thank you Brenda for sharing.
In Christ, Mark
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Date:         Wed, 18 Nov 1992 08:35:59 CST
From:         Jesse Carnes <NOTJIC@LSUVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Steven Klepzig ; send me your E-mail Address?

Dear Steven ;

I have a query for you, but I need your E-mail address.


Jesse Carnes
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Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 1992 08:36:49 EST
From:         Bernice Tennant <U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Ozzy Osbourne

On 11/18/92 at 14:54:31 Jeff A. Dilcher said:
>Bernice Tennant <U1A9A@WVNVM.BITNET> writes:

>>Not everyone that claims CHrist, has him.  If you do not have the Spirit of
>>Christ living within you, then you do not have Christ


>And not everyone who appears worldly is of the devil.  Things are not what
>they appear.

As Christians we are not to be of the world.  We are to set an example
for others.  WE are to stay away from obscenities and we are to give
glory to God.   As Christians, we are to judge other Christians in their
deeds.  THis is scriptural.  1 Cor. 5:12 tell us:  It isn't our job to
to judge outsiders.  But is certainly is our job to judge and deal strong
with those who are members of the church, and who are sinning in these
ways .
The previous verses speak of evil people and  avoiding them.   (This is
referring to the sins in the preceeding verses, sexual sins, greedy,
swindling, worshiping idols, drunkeness,or abusive)

 I believe that claiming Christ and doing as Ozzy has done at his
concerts is abusive and misleading to young and weak Christians.
If they go to his concerts knowing that he is Christian and then they
see him act out obscenities, they might be tempted to do the same.
Should we give someone the bird?  No.  You know this is wrong.
 Aren't you glad it is *not* up to us to decide?
>:)
Now since Ozzy claims he is a Christian, I would say that we are not only
capable of judging his actions but to demand that his church chastise
him. If he has no church, then it is the duty of other Christians to
speak against  him and avoid  his concerts.
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Date:         Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:20:34 -0500
From:         Eric James Ewanco <ewanco@MLO.DEC.COM>
Subject:      Re: Gays in the military

At least two people have commented that their experience has been that gays do
not choose to be gay.

Well, I know several people who despite sexual attraction to members of the
same sex choose to be heterosexual, or choose to be celibate.

One could also say that alcoholics do not choose their alcoholism, but that
does not make it good for them to get drunk.

So my brief point is: Not all homosexuals believe they do not have a choice.
But even if they didn't, that does not justify acting on that proclivity, nor
does it make that proclivity normal and acceptable.

Eric
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From:         "SHELBY A. CROSS" <LIBSAC@EMUVM1.BITNET>
Subject:      REPLY-LEADERSHIP-YAHOO!

Yahoo! and Praise the Lord Ian,

I am praising  the Lord with you because this  is a wonderful opportunity
for you  to be used  in ministering  for the Lord.  Being a deacon  is an
awesome responsibility  as you well  know, and the beautiful  thing about
this is that  the Lord said He will  make room for your gift.  We will be
praying for you and know in advance that the Lord is going to use you for
His glory;  and we will  be looking  forward to hearing  some testimonies
from you in the future.

Dear Heavenly Father,

We  praise and  thank you  for this  new appointment  of deacon  for Ian.
We ask  You Father  to give  Him Your wisdom  and understanding  and that
You will lead and  guide Him and use Him to Your  glory and honor. Father
may You make  him the head and  not the tail, prosper  whatever he under-
takes  to benefit  the  Kingdom, and  strengthen his  inner  man by  Your
precious  Holy Spirit.  Let Your  anointing  flow through  him so  people
will  be saved,  healed,  and  delivered in  Jesus  Name. Strengthen  his
wife also  and give her  the same things, for  when you call  the husband
the  wife also  is  one with  him.  Use the  both of  them  and let  them
compliment  one another.  Let her  be a  help meet  to Ian  and may  they
both  experience a  deeper  and closer  relationship  in their  marriage,
so much so  that others will reach  out to them for  counseling and help.
Father we  give You all  the glory  and honor for  what You are  going to
do through  them in  Jesus Name. In  Jesus Name we  pray. Amen  and Amen.

Your sister in Christ,

Shelby--Emory University--Atlanta, Georgia
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Subject: Re: Effectiveness of Church Teaching (was Gospel)
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Dear Jon ;

It is true that doctrine does not necessarily lead to a person either becoming
a Christian, growing as a Christian or "rubbing" off on to others, but this is
true if the Spirit of God does not ACT within the context of the FIRST
situation, same for the second situation, and the same for the latter scenario.

If a person is not sincere before the Lord, he can listen and still be the same
as he was prior to a doctrinal message.  The Spirit of God is the one who gives
us the Grace unto Salvation to be Born Again, he also gives us Grace in our
Sanctification (our walk in Christ as Believers), and he gives Grace to not
let His Word come back void of power, one way or the other.

The problem is that WITHOUT doctrine, we cannot EVER grow in the TRUE knowledge
of Jesus Christ, and in fact we cannot Believe ON Jesus without believing His
Words.  To believe His Words is to believe ON HIM.  We cannot separate His
Words from His Person.

We have to remember that God is not an "Equal Opportunity God" who gives ALL
an equal shot.  He even gives general graces like health and wealth as He
chooses and not as we choose.


Jesse Carnes
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From:         "Steven E. Hoell" <seh@NEUTRON.PHYSICS.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Jesse a bit miffed 'bout his treatment by some!

Dear Jesse,

You must remember that we're imbibing stuff from the Brewer(y)
when most of us should be drinking milk. (Heb. 5:13)

Steve Hoell                     seh@neutron.physics.arizona.edu
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From: kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu (Dust In The Wind)
Subject: Re: Book Recommendation
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:16:05 GMT


Tom Brewer writes:

> It must be an awesome responsibility to be the only one to understand
> and use correct logic.

I do not believe that I have ever said I was the only such person.

If you can find a passage I have written which makes this claim, by all
means do pass it along.  If not, perhaps you should read more carefully
before you reply to others' articles.


Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.glassboro.edu
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From: crawford@ben.dev.upenn.edu (Lauren L. Crawford)
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Subject: Re: Change fo subject
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:58:53 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <921114121658.22e055b9@DOC.FLC.COLORADO.EDU> S05152@DOC.FLC.COLORADO.EDU ((Glenn Radinsky S05152@doc.flc.colorado.edu)) writes:

>     Last Friday night I gave a friend a ring and asked if
>she could spare a few moments on Friday evening.  She said
>that she had other things to do and then she said the magic
>word, "boyfriend."  And that was not me.

That's hard.  

>     Well, after my motivation had taken that hit, I seem to
>be a bit deflated.  Last night I went out and prayed, and I
>asked God to relight the boilers.  I have a lot of work to
>do before the end of the semester, and I am going to need
>all the help I can get.  This morning I am feeling a lot
>better, but only time will tell if I am going to be able to
>regain the uumph (can't think of a better word) that I used
>to have by working with the Lord.

The Bible has a lot to say about suffering and the role it plays in
strengthening believers ... it sounds like you've been hit by something
painful, and that's never fun!  But suffering is an important part of our
lives on this earth.  Even Hebrews says that Christ learned obedience
through his sufferings ... 

My point is that God will allow lots of pain and difficulties in our
lives, and He will always, always, always go through them with us.  May
you feel His loving presence in your life after this difficult rejection,
and may you do just fine in your schoolwork, too.



-- 
The trick of reason is to get the imagination to seize the actual world --
if only from time to time.     -- Annie Dillard, "An American Childhood"
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From: rerickso@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ronald D. Erickson)
Subject: Re:      Trinity...
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:04:03 GMT


Theresa,

Why can not the phrase "Father, Son, and Holy Spirt" not refer
to the Father, the Son and the angels in the Kingdom of the
Holy Spirit.  The definition of the Holy Spirit by both the
Lord Jesus and the Epistles refers to a Kingdom of God.  I do
not know the original languages well enough to say if I am on
the right track, but I do know until the time of Constantine
the teaching of the Trinity was not universally accepted.  I have
heard those who did not believe in the Trinity during the time
of Constantine or just after his day were killed off.

Ron

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From:         "jones, mark" <JMJONES@UGA.BITNET>
Subject:      COMMENTS

I just signed on to CHRISTIA-L about an hour ago, and I have already
enjoyed several messages. I look forward to some good fellowship with brothers
and sisters in Christ! Scott Weberg-what a great synopsis of Contemporary
Christian Music-I really enjoyed your recommendations, and agree with most
of your commentary-we have very similar tastes. I praise the Lord for the
diversity that is available in Christian music today. We live about an
hour out of Atlanta, GA and on any given weekend we have to choose from
a variety of Christian events, concerts etc. to attend. Last weekend we
were privileged to see Michael Card and Phil Keaggy in concert. Phil Keaggy
is literally considered to be among the greatest guitarists in the world
today and he uses his talent for the Lord-he was truly an inspiration to
watch. Michael Card produces some of the most anointed and thought-provoking
music that I've ever heard. Every song is like a sermon. I can hardly get
through a Michael Card album without shedding tears and coming before the
Lord in worship and praise! I would highly recommend all of Card's works.
Having followed him for many years, and observing his life and fruits, I
truly believe that he lives every word he speaks. Anyone else enjoy Michael
Card's work?
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From:         THERESA BLACKWELL <TBLACKWL@USMCP6.BITNET>
Subject:      Prayer Request...

Madge is right, folks.  I have to agree with her 100% about using
the list for Praise, instead of constant bickering among ourselves
about 'who's right' and 'who's wrong'... I, myself, am getting kinda
sick of seeing Protestants (I'm one of these...) and Catholics (I
have MANY CATHOLIC friends....) go at each other about church dogma.
I'm also not cool to the fact that many of us of late have used
Christia as a flame base, rather than an outlet of Praise.
Let's do something that I believe Christ would love for us to do.
Let's quit with the flame-throwing, and start getting down to business.
Hey, you never know, one of the "new subbers" to the list might either
be drawn closer by our "togetherness" or...if we keep up the flames,
they could be turned away .  I pray that the "togetherness" thing
happens.
For the sake of all on the list, please pray that we can set aside
diffs in an attempt to just do a few things:
1.  Praise Jesus
2.  Pray for each other
3.  Request prayer
4.  Encourage each other to keep going....
5.  WITNESS!!!!!!
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MADGE:
How'd I do???
(honestly....I don't want this to sound 'uppity')
Theresa

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From:         CADDC Dude <hale@DINO.WES.ARMY.MIL>
Subject:      Prayer Request-Thank you

        Thank you prayer warriors for putting on your helmets and praying.
The last few days were tough but your prayers helped bring me through.
I am on some $70 antibiotics and am looking forward to a quick recovery.
Thanks again.

Matthew       "Believes in a Ghost named Holy."
hale@dino.wes.army.mil
From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney)
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Subject: Re: Gays in the military
Date: 17 Nov 92 11:03:28 GMT
Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century

2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (andy) writes:

>In article <CHRISTIA%92111109531997@ASUACAD.BITNET>,
>AMZIMM01@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (Angela Zimmerman) says:

>>>their life, if they can't, the entire mission WILL collapse.  Frankly, gays
>>>will NOT work in the military because they would undermine the entire system,

>Tell this to Alexander the Great or Lawrence of Arabia, two prominent
>and successful military figures

Don't forget the Spartans, with their "armies of lovers". Or was it the
Spartans? _Sounds_ like the Spartans. :-)

P.
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Date:         Mon, 16 Nov 1992 10:33:56 CST
From:         A16905@ITESO.BITNET
Subject:      Re: The Gospel

Jesse,

You said it ! those works WERE official. Read Post-Vatican II Stuff, please.

Shalom,
Memo.