From: bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu (Billy H. Chan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: This Interracial thingy?
Date: 19 Dec 1992 10:48:05 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
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In article <1992Dec19.095605.6911@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
[btw, missed the original post... will have to go to danube to look back,
 but first...]
>
>In particular, we have
>(1) Chinese-ge boys who prefer only Chinese-ge ladies
>(2) Caucasian-ge men who prefer only Chinese-ge ladies.
>
>I do not see anything wrong with #1 or #2.  What I do criticize is
>the ignorant Chinese-cu hypocrisy, embraced by Chinese-cu Chinese-ge
>boys, that condemns #2 but that approves of #1.  This is sheer hypocrisy.
>That's all that I'm criticizing.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I definitely remember someone saying that
Any Chinese-cu or CHinese-ge who prefers only Chinese-ge are <darn, can't
remember the exact words> stupid (closest thing I can think of right now)
and that they are in effect fools for doing so.  In fact, I think you
condemned them.   Or have your position on this issue changed?  Someone
might have archived what you wrote, perhaps?
>
>In other words, I am condemning the hypocrisy of the position assumed by
>people like Mr. Billy H. Chan (bhchan@soda.berkeley.edu).  He has condemned
>#2 as being morally depraved but has endorsed #1 as being normal.
>
EXCUSE ME, but I do not remember ever assuming the position that
and I'll quote you on #2:
>(2) Caucasian-ge men who prefer only Chinese-ge ladies.
HUH?  SURE, I KNOW A LOT OF CAUCASIAN-GE MEN WHO PREFER ONLY CHINESE-GE
LADIES.   But that's a position?  Are you awake?  Guess I'll just have
to try to figure out what you really want to say...
YES, I agree that lots of WM date AF.
I don't see anything hypcritical about this.
On the other hand, I can see that your points don't really make sense.
Morally depraved?  Heck no, anyone who's intelligent enough to realize
that Chinese-ge ladies are much better than any others deserve them
<note slight sarcasm here...>.  I beg you to quote me where and when I
have said anything to any degree saying that WM/AAF is wrong.
Or are you thinking of Hoyt, my old resident assistant?
<or did you get flamed too hard?>

>>>about Caucasian-ge men, you will find that many of those posts denounce 
>>>Caucasian-ge men (and Chinese-ge women who go out with them) as being morally
>>>depraved.
And you just assumed, since I'm Culturally and Genetically Chinese that
I have posted/denounced WM/AAF?  I beg to differ, and I ask you to quote
where and when I've made such an announcement.
I am offended by this slanderous remark.
>
>I agree with this statement 100%.  A person should be free to have preferences
>(in marriage and/or dating); if someone prefers the Korean-ge look, then
>that's absolutely fine.
Hmmm.... and yet, I remember you saying stuff about Chinese-ge and 
Chinese-cu that would lead me to believe that you didn't agree with
this freedom statement 100%.  However, I can't quote you on it and
will have to ask other netters to support or denouce this statement
of mine.
>
>The people who complain about Oriental fetishes are usually boys who are
>Chinese-cu Chinese-ge (by their own admission in, of all places, the local
>newspaper) and are, without qualification, bigots.  They insist that #2 are
>jerks but support #1 ?!
WHERE DO I GET QUALIFIED TO BE A BIGOT?  
or did you not understand the sarcasm in my previous flame/post? <sigh>

>
>I am tired of hearing stuff like this.  Mr. Johnfelt's girlfriend should
>send me e-mail; I'll give her some advice on reporting that Chinese-cu
>bozo to the authorities.  These people have to be taught that in the 
>United States of Almighty America, sexist crap like making passes at
>a female employee or using virginity as a test of employment (which is
>what China Airlines uses) is not tolerated.
Sure, yeah, right, in the USAA, yeah.... PEOPLE OF AMERICA UNITE!
SUE EVERYONE FOR EVERYTHING, THAT IS YOUR RIGHT!  <repeat chant 50 times>

>Kick his Chinese-cu butt back to Hong Kong, where he can do all the
>sexist crap that he wants and can get away with it.
Sorry I don't think so.  Though you'd quite enjoy imagining, HK have
laws, much similar to those in this Almight America that you praise
so highly of and yet have many incidences where sexual harrassment go
unchecked.  WAKE UP.

>>        But what if they don't, does this make THEM a bad asian/Chinese?
>>Obviously not. To each his own, if Dwight wants to be caucasion, let him?
Hmmm... I guess I'll have to check this post...seems like a reply to mine.
Sure, I'd let Dwight be as caucasian as he wants, but don't you think it
would be nice to wake him up to the fact that unless there is reincarnation,
he will never be?
>>If Michel Jackson wants to be caucasion, let him... If Joe Schmo wants to
Hmmm....good 'o Mike is coming close to being neither "Black or White".
>>be a fat, 6 foot 1 transvestite with a pink mohawk, I say more power to him, 
>>heck this is America, Land of the free, home of the truly weird.
>>...
>
>These statements are beyond the comprehension of Chinese-cu Chinese-ge
>people, but non-Chinese-cu Orientals-ge can understand them.
UH huh...another blanket statement on the part of Mr.Dwight Joe which
seems to be wanting of flaming.... however, since my final is only
3 hours away now, I think I will let you live.
>
 >If a Korean-ge wants to be German-cu, then more power to him.
 >If a Chinese-ge rejects everything Chinese-cu except Chinese-cu food
 >but chooses to be Korean-cu, then more power to her.  Why must Chinese-cu
 >Chinese-ge bozos criticize, brand, condemn a Chinese-ge because she doesn't
 >want to be Chinese-cu.  Why must those same bozos condemn Chinese-ge
 >ladies for wanting to date/marry Caucasian-ge men?
Sorry, I'm condeming Chinese-ge's who think the can become non-Chinese-ge.
And I'm only condeming one person, since that one person feel that he must
denounce the whole Chinese-ge, use derogatory words/adjectives when speaking
of Chinese-ge's and thus push other Chinese-ge until they can't stand him
anymore.  Some people put Mr. Dwight in their kill files.  (I'm probably
in a few myself).  Perhaps I should put Mr. Dwight in mine too.
>
>Why can't those bozos let people live their own lives as their see fit?
>Why can't those bozos let "me be me", "him be him", "her be her", etc.?
If I thought I was the president of the United states, would you let me
be 'me'?   In that case, I AM GOD and I deem taht you deserve to die.
Would you let me be 'me' and kill you?   PLEASE?  
>
>I recently learned of a Japanese-American lady who married a Chinese-cu
>Chinese-ge man.  Their marriage produced a son and resulted in a divorce.
>After a little nudging on my part, I learned that one of the prime reasons
>for the divorce was the sheer brutal emotional abuse that the Chinese-cu
>jerk heaped on their son; that jerk refused to let "him be him".
AH, one example of a son-beater.... hmmm, I'm sure all Chinese-cu's are
son beaters now that you've pointed it out to me and supported it with
one single example.   <SARCASM, Mr. Dwight>

>Interestingly enough, the Japanese-American lady did not compel their
>son to learn any foreign language; it was all up to him.  However, the
>Chinese-cu jerk finessed the whole matter, and the son ended up learning
>the Chinese-cu language.  When he speaks to his father, he speaks in
>Chinese-cu.  Good G*d!
he speaks in a culture?  that's interesting.  I wonder where I can learn
to speak CHinese-cu too.... is it the culture of Beijing or is it the
culture in Hongkong?  Please, I beg you to give me more details, Joe,
more Details.      
>
>Let "him be him" for crying out loud!  You!  You!  You Chinese-cu jerk!
<Laughter>
This definitely beats studying for OCHEM
I wonder... I've decided that Dwight Joe has been sarcastic all this time,
that all SCAA people have been reading his posts wrong.  Indeed, in this
light, everything he has said makes perfect sense.  


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