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From: chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chris Carey)
Subject: Re: The Packers still suck
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Distribution: usa
Date: 21 Dec 92 20:33:05 CST

In article <1992Dec21.210312.22823@weber.com> steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen) writes:
>Subject line says it all!

Nothing like an [un]intelligent person posting a message with such a profound
statement.  I guess all my evidence is meaningless, I guess a winning season
secured is meaningless.  Sorry, I guess I'll became a Bears fan, after all,
rumor has it Ditka is on his way out.

-Chris C.

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From: dggok@pbhyg.PacBell.COM (4E150M)
Subject: Re: Redskins hopes
Reply-To: dggok@PacBell.COM (David G. Gok)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 18:18:56 GMT

In article <1992Dec31.113413.587@hnrc.tufts.edu> rob@hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>
>Did Joe Gibbs lose three in a row this year ?  If not, has he ever ?

When Gibbs took over the Redskins in 1981 they lost their first 5 games.
Seems to have done better since. :-)


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From: mckinzie@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Mark McKinzie)
Subject: Re: The FAT LADY IS SINGING in BUFFALO!
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin Dept. of Mathematics
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 93 22:34:29 GMT

jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) writes:

>current score:  Oilers  35  Bills  3

>Moon and company are in total control of this game.
>Does anyone want a play by play?

The W00F G0DS have spoken.

John -- next week, when the Chargers are up 42-7 on Miami at the half,
please please please don't post anything during the game, ok?


-- 
Mark McKinzie          |    Listen, if they're going to buy lunch boxes,
mckinzie@math.wisc.edu | they might as well buy David Cassidy lunch boxes.
UW Dept. of Mathematics|
Madison, WI 53706      |                  -David Cassidy-
From: pirolli@bart.parc.xerox.com (Peter Pirolli)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: MNF announcers about Montana
Date: 29 Dec 92 21:34:19 GMT
Organization: Xerox PARC, Palo Alto, CA

>In article <103346@netnews.upenn.edu> satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>   [Stuff deleted]
>   PS Anyone else notice the look on Steve Young's face?  Let's see, he leads the
>   Niners to the best record in the NFL, is the highest rated passer in the
>   league, will probably lead the team to the NFC Championship game and all 
>   50,000 Niner fans wanted was "Joe! Joe! Joe!"


I was at the game last night and I'll bet MNF didn't show the ovation
of fans chanting "Steve! Steve! Steve!" when Young was introduced
before the game.  I've been at all the home games, and there's no
doubt that the crowd now loves Young and he knows it.
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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Detroit Lions ....Orphans of NFC-Central
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 16:38:34 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

With all this rivalry between the Vikes and the Pack in the
NFC Central, one team which is overlooked for the next
season are the Lions.  I wonder howmuch is the intensity
of the rivalry between the Lions and the Pack and the Lions
and the Vikes. I also do not see any Detroit Lions fans on
the net or are they just keeping low as the Lions have
played dismally this year.

But going by yesterday's game against the 9ers, I should say
that the Lions looked very promising with their young QB,
Adre Ware at the helm. A team which has been riddled with
injuries and tragedies, IMO, should defenitely be a threat
next year, aided by a 5th place schedule.

To all Pack, Bear and fellow Viking fans: We might be making
a mistake here by overlooking the Lions and getting engrossed
in our inter-team bitching :-):-).
Just some food for ur football thoughts.

S.H
From: to0b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas Oligino)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NEW VIKING QB?!
Date: 30 Dec 92 12:54:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.wfEWWkC00WBO82UHQR
	<C01D10.L3M@ns1.nodak.edu>
Organization: Doctoral student, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

> 
>Do u think that the 9er front office would be foolish enough
>to trade Joe to a tough NFC rival like the Vikings. In the
>same breath, I do not know whether Joe is allowed to have
>his choice or the 9er front office decides it for him as to
>which team he will go to.

I think Joe is a free agent after this year.
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From: steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen)
Subject: Packer trivia
Organization: Weber Systems - Milwaukee, Wisconsin 
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:22:02 GMT

Hey, anybody know what the Slack^H^H^H^H^HPacker record was the year
the fans killed Dan Divine's dog?  Just wondering what kind of reception
Holmgren can expect.

--
Steve Keshen           steve@weber.weber.com  
Weber Systems          The Packers still suck!!!
Brookfield, WI  53005
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From: deanb@cray.com (Dean Barker)
Subject: playoff matchups
Date: 30 Dec 92 10:10:54 CST



Washington at Minnesota

        Overall: Minnesota 11-5, Washington 9-7
        Head to Head: Washington 15-13 at Minnesota
        Conference: Minnesota 8-4, Washington 7-5
        Common Opponents: Washington 2-1, Minnesota 1-2
        Home Field: Minnesota 5-3 at home, Washington 3-5 on road


Philadelphia at New Orleans

        Overall: New Orleans 12-4, Philadelphia 11-5
        Head to Head: New Orleans 15-13 at Philadelphia
        Conference: New Orleans 9-3, Philadelphia 8-4
        Common Opponents: Philadelphia 3-2, New Orleans 2-2
        Home Field: New Orleans 6-2 at home, Philadelphia 3-5 on road


Kansas City at San Diego

        Overall: San Diego 11-5, Kansas City 10-6
        Head to Head: Kansas City 24-10 at San Diego & 16-14 at home
        Division: Kansas City 6-2, San Diego 5-3
        Conference: Kansas City 8-4, San Diego 9-5
        Common Opponents: San Diego 5-3, Kansas City 4-4
        Home Field: San Diego 6-2 at home, Kansas City 3-5 on road


Houston at Buffalo

        Overall: Buffalo 11-5, Houston 10-6
        Head to Head: Houston 27-3 at home
        Conference: Buffalo 7-5, Houston 7-5
        Common Opponents: Buffalo 4-2, Houston 1-4
        Home Field: Houston 5-3 at home, Buffalo 5-3 on road

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From: sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (The Purple Bleeder )
Subject: Re: Vikings comments
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 03:46:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

Well the Vikes make me laugh and feel frustrated at the same 
time.  They are one of the teams that can take their fans
to the heights of total frustration. See Salbury's 2 snap
fumbles deep in Steeler territorry.

Anyway, green has indicated that the Vikes will go on 
full strength against the Pack.  

S.H

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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: Low SAQ play by SF 49ers + Giants!
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 02:24:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.211546.28885@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>It's so easy to second-guess late-game play calling.  The Niners were
>trying to take the Bucs by surprise, and had they succeeded, would have
>put the game out of reach.  Did you watch the Jets-Fins game?  NY had
>that game won with a first down at the end, but they got too conservative
>and ran three running plays.  Three and out, and Marino had enough time
>to march downfield and set up the game-winning FG.

You're right, it is easy to second-guess this one, because it was a bonehead
call!  Look, this was a *totally* different situation than in the Jets-Fins
game.  The Bucs had no timeouts and there were roughly 50 seconds left on
the clock (I know this isn't exact, but it's close enough).  If the 9ers run
the ball, the Bucs get it back with at most 15 seconds or so, with most of
the field to drive for a TD.  The *last* thing you want to do is call an 
extremely low percentage bomb, which stops the clock and leaves the Bucs the
better part of a minute to get said TD.  And to answer the next question I'm
sure you'll ask, yes, had it been completed, I *still* would have called it
a dumb play call.  Siefert is a great coach, and Young is an even better QB,
but whoever called that play made a really stupid call.

Jim 
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
From: hunt@shy.umd.edu (Brian Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: nfl data (was Re: No Repeating Div Champs)
Date: 31 Dec 92 02:07:54 GMT
Distribution: na

gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>(Data courtesy of wuarchive.wustl.edu, /pub/nfl/records.)

I've checked this directory but it seems to have been recently
overwritten with files from pub/nfl/scores.  Does anyone know if this
sort of data is available elsewhere on the net?

Brian Hunt
hunt@ipst.umd.edu
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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Gizmonic Institute - Home of the "Big G Burger"
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 21:48:35 GMT

<1992Dec23.161909.13449@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) :
><1992Dec22.194328.21159@coopsol.com> gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) :
>><1992Dec21.213529.8894@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (JOHN) said:
>>><1992Dec21.210943.23105@weber.com> steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen) writes:
...
>>>Young is OK! Incredulous! Are we a bit jealous Steve? Check out the 
>>>stats Steve, re: Highest rated QB in the NFL. Bono, in your eyes might 
>>>be a wannabe, but Bono is a BONOfide QB in the NFL and could easily be 
>>>a starting QB anywhere else.  Your response is typical of certain
>>   ^^^^^^^^
>>>net.whiners. :-)
>>
>>Please keep these words about Bono in mind when the whining starts about
>>Young being the MVP.  How can he be the MVP when they have 3 starting QBs,
>>right?  Young gets hurt?  Just put in Bono and they don't miss a beat,
>>right?  Heck if Bono gets hurt you put in Montana, right?  What makes
>>Young so valuable?
>>
>Gordon, do you have a problem? Again you are taking things out of context.
>My initial response was to Steve's increduous statement that "Young is OK".
>I NEVER mentioned he should be the MVP. 

I didn't say you mentioned it.  Are you taking things out of context
again?

>                                        I only referred to his stats, you know,
>the stats certain netters are engrossed over. I will not be so foolish as
>to publicly state that Young should be the MVP of the NFL. I will say that
>he is a contender. In fact, the media, by all account that I either read or
>heard on during the various sports shows, mention Young as the NFL's MVP.

And that's what I was referring to.  There is a lot of talk about who
should be the league's MVP and Young's name pops up.  I think he's a fine
QB and valuable to his team, but...  If he gets hurt what happens?  Gee, I
guess they'd have to use Bono (a qb that would a "starting QB anywhere
else"), or <gasp> Montana (whom some believe to be the greatest QB ever).
It doesn't even sound to me like Young is the best QB on his own team, how
could he be the MVP of the league?

>Frankly, I don't give a hoot who win's the MVP. I only care that Young wins
>the SB and the SB MVP!

Which he won't.

>>Emmitt Smith is the MVP.  After MNF there should be no doubt.
>>
>You are entitled to your opinion and if E.Smith wins it, you will find
>no arguments from me. I wonder if you would do the same if Young won
>it. NOT! :-)

Pretty silly.  You have my comments already.


Gordon
-- 
The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
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From: xtifr@netcom.com (Chris Waters)
Subject: Re: It wasn't Pretty (49ers WON)
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:25:25 GMT

In <1992Dec22.175003.3188@weber.com> steve@weber.com (Steve Keshen) writes:

>I'm
>tired of the same old teams being good.  No offense meant to the city of
>San Fran. but I want the 49ers to get losey again! And the Cowboys! 
[...]
>I'll always be a Bears fan,  but why can't the Bucs be up there? 

I agree in spirit, but OC, as a '9ers fan, I hope that the '9ers are the
exception to the rule.  Much to my pleasure, so far, they seem to be.  :-) 

Still, I've also been a Saints fan for years, and, interdivisional
rivalry or not, I'll root for the Saints on almost any weekend when they
aren't playing the '9ers.  I started rooting for the Saints back before
they'd ever even had a winning season, and I'm not going to stop now,
just because they wrested the division away from my '9ers last season. :-)

OC, the Bears, after years of being on top, are now scraping the bottom.
I'm sure that this pleases me more than it pleases you, even though
we're both fans of parity.  Tell me, would you still root for the Bucs
if they'd won the divison while the Bears sat at home?  :-)

As for the Cowboys, they've been mediocre or bad for nearly a decade.  I
still cringe at "America's Team" BS, but I'm a lot more tolerant of
their success this year, because they spent so much time recently in the
middle or bottom.  C'mon, the turnaround at Dallas is amazing, and
should be an inspiration for all the other teams that currently have
dismal records.  And heck, even the hapless Patsies made it to the SB 6
or 7 years ago!  :-)
-- 
Chris Waters    | the insane don't | "Imaginary guitar notes [...] exist only
xtifr@netcom.COM| need disclaimers |  in the imagination of the imaginer" --FZ
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From: thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell)
Subject: Munoz Retires :( :( :(
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 18:27:13 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

Sorry to interrupt you NFC bozos.. but, Anthony Munoz is retiring
from the NFL after the game on Sunday... ;(  It is a sad day for
Bengals fans everywhere to see one of the best offensive linemen
of all time to retire.  We now return you to your NFC squabbling...

Alex
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From: pboxrud@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul D Boxrud)
Subject: Vikings comments
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 21:26:20 GMT

I would like to apologize for my previous post about why I find the Vikings 
funny.  My point of the post was that I have a soft spot in my heart for the 
Vikings which I can't really explain except that they make me laugh.  My point 
was not that the Packers have been a better team over the past few decades. (I 
would really be moron then).
     I am pleased to announce, however, that I have decided to have this soft 
spot removed and become a Vikings hater.  You Vikings fans have pointed out to 
me that the Vikings are not a team
to be laughed at.  So now I will simply hate them.  Thank you for showing the 
error in my ways.

     BTW, has Moran been activated for the Vikings game or is it going to be 
Workman?  And in the MNF game last night, Atlanta got called for roughing the 
kicker after the snap had hit the ground.  Isn't it true that the punter  can 
be
hit after this happens or am I confusing it with the punt being blocked.

Paul  (Viking hater)
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From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: Stats for stat freaks
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 15:58:17 GMT

jg> JOHN (Gloria)

jg> I have always been a believer that stats do not mean squat, except to the
    Monday QBs and the stat freaks. I still say, stats will never win you a
    game.

  Duhhh. That's why the games are played, silly.

jg> The most important factor is the win-loss column. To wit: Niners 14-2....
    that is all the numbers/stats that really count.

  Actually, at this point, they're 0-0, like everyone else in the playoffs.
  As soon as an "L" shows up, they're toast.

--
Gary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are
strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: jjungbau@luke.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: Re: Promised congrats to Vikes from Packer fan
Organization: Washington State University, Pullman
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 00:18:44 GMT

In article <jmelcher.41@polisci.umn.edu> jmelcher@polisci.umn.edu (James Melcher) writes:

[reluctant, but genuine congratulations deleted]

>Now, that wasn't too bad- though it is easier and a whole lot more fun to be 
>gracious in victory than in defeat...:-)  i just hope we get to join you in 
>the playoffs (which means, in turn, that I hope the Giants and Raiders are 
>REAL well motivated this weekend...)  I'll be watching Sunday's game back 
>home in Madison, where I can root more loudly without being stared at than I 
>can here...:-)

I too would like to see you guys join us in the playoffs.  I think it would
make for a very interesting situation, with the Pack playing at the Dome on
consecutive weekends.  I really like what the Pack has done this year, and 
despite being a die-hard Vikes fan, have found myself sort of pulling for 
them.  It's those damn Bears that I will *never* root for. :-)


>Happy holidays,
>Jim Melcher
>"Your friendly neighborhood Packer fan in Saint Paul"

Your friendly Vikings fan in Pullman,

Jim
-- 
Jim Jungbauer               | Go Vikings, North Stars, Twins, Cougars!
jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu  | 
EECS Department             | "Nice move by Bellows... big drive... SCORES!"
Washington State University |    -- Mike Emrick, 1991 Norris Division Finals
From: evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Network Operations)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Upcoming Buffalo/Houston game (this is the question in Buffalo)
Date: 22 Dec 92 00:33:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <BzMpnn.7Ip@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER) writes...

[Stuff deleted]

>Nobody is going to beat the Bills in Buffalo in January.

Argh! Bruce, please don't say such things. It reminds me of the people
who said we'd have a cinch win over the Jets in Buffalo.

Anyone *can* be beat Buffalo in Buffalo. Remember last years AFC
Championship game? It was pretty scary.  I think San Diego, Pittsburgh,
Miami and Houston all have teams that are capable of doing it to us.

Keep your perspective. (And don't bring down the wrath of the Football
Gods(tm). Things are going rather nicely.)


Doug

                                  |                              Doug Evans
                                  | State University of New York at Buffalo
                                  |             evans@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
From: exucad@exu.ericsson.se (Charles Dobbins)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: API All-Pro Team
Date: 30 Dec 92 17:20:28 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

>QB - (Tie) Randall Cunningham, PHIL; Jim Kelly, BUF
            ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
What is this!!! I'm constantly amazed at some peoples stupidity. Randall is 
a very talented athlete and all but this year is definatly not his best. I 
suppose this must have been some kind of pitty vote for poor Randall that 
was benched because he stunk the place up. This really proves that the All 
Pro team is really a joke!
 
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From: tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: For New York Giants Fans
Date: 23 Dec 92 10:04:25 GMT
Reply-To: tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly)
Organization: NCR European Development Center

In article <1992Dec22.150211.1886@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> awhitton@bnr.ca writes:
>In article <1992Dec22.142101.1371@walter.bellcore.com>, cpg@caribbean.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Curt Goedde) writes:
>|> In article <4219@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM>, tdonnell@ncrsoph.Sophia.NCR.COM (Tom Donnelly) writes:
>|> |> In article <1992Dec22.002632.25620@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu) writes:

STuff from other posts deleted 

>
>No matter WHO (whom?) the Giants pick, the next couple of years are going
>to be "interesting" years. 
>
>The question is who should GO on the Giants?
>
>       Ray :       Sorry Ray, you just couldn't win, and I sympathize, but
>                   you shoulda gone to law school :-(

	What more can you say, except I wouldn't want him as MY trial lawyer.

>
>       Hostetler:  Please retire before your bell is rung permanently. Anyone
>                   who has had that many concussions, is not in great shape.

	Agreed - we should start playing the new QBs to determine who will
		 be leading the offense for the rest of the '90s.  I would
		 even be willing to have a dismal season again next year if
		 the team is rebuilding and showing promise.  I only saw two
		 games this year (the first and second) and they both were
		 pretty awful.

>
>       Rod Rust:   Players don't respect him, and since you can't trade
>                   an entire defense, lose the coach. Bring back Bellichek(sp?)
>                   he may be in need of a job soon :-)
>
>       Carl Banks: Didn't he almost punch out Handley (or was it 
>                   Pepper Johnson)? Any player who does something as 
>                   arrogant as that, should be disciplined or traded.

	If I find out which one it really was I would like to buy him a beer.
>       
>Any other comments?

	What about the rumors that LT may come back for one more year.  He
	is not the type to want to be rebembered as leaving on a stretcher.
	I sort of hope he doesn't, as the Giants D really needs to learn to
	work without a super star.  However, LT could teach new DBacks a lot
	about how to play the game.

	Who are the Giants looking at in the Draft?

Giants in 93
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