From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Newsgroups: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Credibility and Trueness
Date: 27 Jan 93 18:09:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: convex.ewright.728158167
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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In <1993Jan27.004250.17453@sol.UVic.CA> atovorni@engr.UVic.CA (dreas) writes:

>You are either an excellent comedian or don't know the difference 
>between an acquaintance and a relationship.

relationship: a state of affairs existing between those having 
              relations or dealings

acquaintance: personal or firsthand knowledge

It seems to me that one could have firsthand knowledge of a person
but not have dealings with that person.  That would be an acquaintance
without a relationship.  If you go to dinner with a person, however,
then you are having dealings, hence a relationship, with that person.

Now, what was your point again?


>Well, I think it's about time you cut him a bit of slack. If the man 
>has a point, he has a point. He has often pointed things out that are
>irrevocable and blatant to a four year old. 

Yes.  To a four-year-old.


>>Which is sometimes justified and sometimes not.  Unfortunately,
>>some people, such as Charlie Martin, have accepted the idea that
>>anything which makes them unhappy is somehow their fault.  Which 
>>is probably why Charlie, when not reinventing logic and mathematics,
>>is busy having his head shrunk.

>I find it a wise move to seek help for problems in one's life that
>are just too big to handle... 

Seeking "help" from astrologers, psychiatrists, psychologists,
psychics, psychic astrologers, trance channelers, crystal healers,
and similar charlatans only helps you avoid facing the real problem.   

Besides, psychology is based on a denial of the existance of 
free will.  And without free will, you cannot decide to do
anything, including "seeking help" from a psychologist, 
you can only be driven to it by mysterious "psychic forces"
beyond your control.   So, when a psychologist tells you 
you should seek his help, he isn't even being internally
consistent.


>>If all you want to achieve is mindless contentedness, drugs
>>probably are the answer.

>Agreed, but that is not my personal goal, nor do I believe that it is
>yours. I could be stoned out on heroin or opium at this very minute, but
>I have learned that illegal drugs are not for me a long time ago. I used
>to be on tranquilizers, tricyclic antidepressants, lithium carbonate,
>and all kinds of other prescription goo over the years. 

Could be Charlie's breakfast cereal. :-)


>>Maybe for you.  For me, it takes someone whose apprecation goes
>>beyond what he or she can "get out" of me.  It's one thing for
>>someone to be pleased that I do something; it's another to be
>>pleased that *I* do it.

>Can't you just take pleasure in doing and giving of yourself? Folks
>appreciate it 

You're not paying attention.  The point, again, since you seem
to have missed it:  It's one thing for folks to appreciate *it*;
it's another for them to appreciate *me*.  The former just isn't
good enough, as far as I'm concerned.