HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Date: 15 Dec 1992 15:42:37 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
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In article <Bz9Bno.GsH@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>
>   Commodore has never proven to me, to my satisfaction, that the CDTV is
>still alive.
>
>| Marc Barrett -MB-  |  email: barrett@iastate.edu

   Hey, people... there's one thing that has been overlooked that came out of
WOC/Pasadena. If I recall correctly, a friend said his dealer said that ]
someone who apparently works at Commodore said that they overheard a developer
say that someone who went to the show said that a suit said:

   "Finally, Commodore has decided that its number one priority for the
    upcoming year is not only to satisfy all of our customers, but to
    satisfy the sole person that is responsible for keeping us in
    business today. A visionary man -er, person, and one who undoubtedly
    has only the best interests of our thousands of shareholders at
    heart. A person that's always been there to support us, share with
    us his revolutionary ideas, and catch us when we fall. Ladies and
    gentlemen, I give you none other than Marc Barrett!"

   Of course, someone could have taken one or two of the sentences out of
context, but I'm pretty sure I'm conveying this story correctly. Funny how
nobody mentioned it recently. Pity. Sorry that nobody valued you, Marc. I
know I do. (thatStatement!=TRUE)

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: gerald@seas.gwu.edu (Gerald G. Washington)
Subject: Re: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and:
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 18:11:47 GMT

ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:
>'>Wait, you're knocking Workbench 2.0 based *solely* on some
>'>photographs of it!??  At least don't knock it 'till you've
>'>tried it!
>
>	Well, I have used both and I have to agree with Dan.

Oh, the surprise is too much!

-- Gerald
From: kentd@FtCollins.NCR.com (Kent Dalton)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anybody there ? Obviously not!
Date: 15 Dec 92 13:47:42 GMT
	<1992Dec8.063507.29821@sbcs.sunysb.edu>
Organization: NCR Microelectronics, Ft. Collins, CO
In-reply-to: dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu's message of 8 Dec 92 06:35:07 GMT

>>>>> On 8 Dec 92 06:35:07 GMT, dtiberio@engws10.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) said:

David> 	The comp.sys.amiga groups have quite a few cbm employees, but
David> there probably aren't any here. CBM is not a company that wants
David> to win any new market share. Without advertising, they are
David> doomed. Unless they start doing some more they will simply lose
David> out in the US...and it is a pity that they are doing so well in
David> Europe where they actually advertise.

I'm not entirely convinced of this... I think it's a big
fallacy/misconception perpetuated by Amiga advocates that if C= would
just advertise the Amiga would suddenly become a wild success here in
the US.

I think it's a much more complex problem... For starters, their dealer
base has been so eroded that many people, even if they were convinced by
a slick ad campaign that they wanted an Amiga, would be unable to find
any place to buy one. And that's just one of many very difficult
obstacles that would have to be overcome before an ad campaign could be
truly effective.

Clearly, a well executed TV ad campaign would help bolster the machine's
image, name recognition, and result in _some_ sales. But I *really*
doubt that it could be a cost effective business tactic, until C= fixes
a number of the other problems that plague the US market place.

A good start would probably be to get the 600 or 1200 into mass market
channels and cut the retail prices as low as they can afford to.

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Are you still an ALCOHOLIC?
From: Eric@desert.wlink.nl (Eric De Jong)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  sigh.....
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:13:50 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Digital Desert Amiga BBS

In article <70750,443-101292162909@3.10.7.22> 70750,443@cis.com (Spike) writes:

>1. Post whatever they send you, verbatim.
>With e-mail address, if they supply it.
>
>2. Let us respond to their infantile diatribes.
>I'm sure I am not the only net-user who would
>*love* to take a crack at these dickheads.

Well.. I think Paula is quite capable of 'taking cracks' at some of these
'guys'. Problem is the're to busy showing off there ego to notice it.

--




    //        Digital Desert Amiga Netherlands (31) 01184-72217/63843
  \X/ Eric.                   Eric@desert.wlink.nl
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: m92mmy@tdb.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg)
Subject: Re: What about Amiga sound chip improvements?
Organization: Dept. of Scientific Computing, Uppsala Univ.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 12:29:24 GMT

In article 34458 Tim Ciceran writes:

>An AT&T 32-bit DSP module is slated for release in the late spring, offering
>(among other things) CD-quality sound. Upgrades to the existing Paula
>chip have been alluded to, but this remains quite speculative. Several
>third-party companies are also working on DSP modules, in anticipation of
>3.1 device support.

According to the WOC-notes, a specced up sound-chip will be incorporated
in the new highend-chipset, right ?

(what about the lowend-chipset ? I don't want to shell out $$$$ for better sound)

Will the DSP be affordable, as a "better-sound"-device ?
(I imagine it'll be used by raytracing freaks, but are we willing to pay $50,
to get better sound ?)

Is it possible to equip an A1200 with a DSP-unit in some way ?

/Mattias

_______
Mattias Myrberg

m92mmy@bellatrix.tdb.uu.se
From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  Why my Amiga is gone
Distribution: world
Date: 11 Dec 92 18:47:06 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Dec10.095632.13953@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <1992Dec9.152800.5473@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:
>>What do you mean by "real multitasking"?  For your clone, you can get a
>>complete UNIX OS with X-Windows, including source code for everything, free
>>of charge.  It is a hacker's dream-come-true!  This isn't Minix, either.
>>Linux has VM, MP, symbolic links, etc.  Does Linux somehow fail the "real
>>multitasking" test?
>
>Wasn't it the whole point about buying a PC that you get more software for
>it ? What would Linux help in that case ? For a PC to be productive you
>have to run some sort of MS-DOS most of the time.

Not really.  Commercial UNIX on clones has lots of shrinkwrapped applications
available.  Wordperfect, Lotus 123, Ami Pro, etc.

And GNU has dozens of PD productivity programs available for UNIX.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: ccb8m@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Charles C. Bundy)
Subject: 1200 questions :)
Originator: ccb8m@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 16:09:55 GMT

OK all you 1200 owners, A few questions!

   1) Where did you get one?  I've called a few places in MD & Fairfax
      and they deny having any yet!  They didn't even have prices!

   2) What are the prices for a 1200 + =>80Meg HD?  (w/o monitor)

   3) Is it true that there isn't any RT clock?  Will there be any boards
      out like the 501/601 RT clock/memory expansion, soon?  

   4) Can you expand memory on the mother board, or will it be through
      PCMCIA/trap door?

   5) How does it feel speed/color wise compared to other amigas (<4000).

   6) And THE MOST important question for last; DOES it run BLAZEMONGER
      in the undocumented AGA++ modes that you need hardware refs for?
      Don't even ask where they got those HW manuals from..... Argggh!
      Customer SERVICE!! <bam crash shatter tinkle, spurt, spurt ...>

Seriously on 1 thru 5
Charles Bundy
ccb8m@virginia.edu

P.S.  The main reason I'm interested in the 1200 -vs- a lower cost 4000 is
      form factor.  Love that computer-in-keyboard approach!  Low cost
      doesn't hurt, either...
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Ultima Underworld VS Legends of Valour Re: My WB (was e: Dan flipped through an AmigaWorld, and: )
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 01:24:17 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.162132.1883@msus1.msus.edu> martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU writes:
>In article <29627@castle.ed.ac.uk>, marks@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mark Steyn) writes:
>>das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:
>>
>>>Ahh, I'll have to download them tonight.  Recently, I've beemn playing
>>>Ultima Underworld for the past several hour.  You've heard of Ultima
>>>Underworld, haven't you?  You know, it is...  :-)
>>
>>Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
>>appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
>>everbody in this group with.
>>
>Recently I have been playing Legends of Valor (CoverDisk Verison). You've
>heard of LoV havn't ya dan?  It's the game on the Amiga that can do EXACTLY
>what UU can + has see through windows and stairways.  Seems every time
>Dan grabs a new "stick" there is a shield in the Amiga realm...But that's
>irrelevant right?

You've played Ultima Underworld and played Legends of Valour and say LoV is at
least as good at UU?  Hmm, sounds impressive.                              

Tell me more about it.

>Jim
>  -----(612) 656-9693--                         MARTIN@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
--
Dan Stephenson                                         das9674@usl.edu  
"Yes Dan, I have heard of Ultima Underworld.  From my point of view it
 appears to be a rather large stick which you seem to be using to beat
 everbody in this group with." -Mark Steyn
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: nwickham@nyx.cs.du.edu (Neal Wickham)
Subject: Re: Wish list for AGA software
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Reply-To: nwickham@nyx.UUCP (Neal Wickham)
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:12:52 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.063734.6234@desire.wright.edu> fheitkamp@desire.wright.edu writes:

>
>	Okay, I'll bite.  What exactly is "nursing positions".


...just read the book.  It has become a classic and is almost certainly
in your local library or bookstore.

Gosh... this started out as such a freindly little post about an Amiga
software wishlist too.


>> While NCW is a loyal amiga owner and all that, I worry about anybody who get
>> too deep into Dr. Wilson Brian Key's books. Sure there are undoubtably 
>> sublimials out there, but if you get too heavy into his stuff yo you start 
>> to see them EVERYWHERE. That way lies madness.


They are everywhere.  Amiga World is running there sexual penatration ad
again on page 64 of the December issue.  A stream of Amiga Worlds form a
phallus with a path to a castle and the castle doors look remarkably like
a vaginal opening.  I posted about this before in more detail. 

The december issue of Mac World has an interesting one on page 182 featuring
a rather boyish saleswoman, a young black man, and the typical Macweenie
who is the only one of the three NOT playing pocket pool.  "Try Before You
Buy" is the core message of this ad for MacWorld CD Ventures.  Hmmm...



                                    NCW
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: lindblad@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad)
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Organization: University of Helsinki
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 16:17:51 GMT

Tim Ciceran (tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA) wrote:

> Porting AmigaDOS to for use on a RISC processor would be a monumental
> task in some respects, although a significant amount of the old BCPL
> and assembly code has been converted to C. Interesting speculation anyway.

Actually, I don't think that the most current versions have any BCPL
in them.

-- 
Jarkko Lindblad         | sleep my friend and you will see
lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi | that dream is my reality
------------------------| they keep me locked up in this cage
          - MetallicA - | can't they see it's why my brain say rage
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: Future Amiga chipset
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 15:41:38 GMT

In <BzFyvK.127@news.iastate.edu> barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N. Barrett) writes:
>   Hardly.  The Zorro III bus is simple and sweet.  It works with the Moto
>68000 series, and only with the Moto 68000 series.

Marc, get a brain. No bus works with a certain processor only. Zorro-II
is 90% similar to an 68000 so that other processors would need auxiliary
logic. Zorro-III has nearly no resemblance to an 68000 bus, it is pretty
generic.

>   Use CD-ROM with what?  The Fish disc?  The AB20 disc?  CDTV titles which
>are not guaranteed to run at all on Amigas, and which are written for a
>keypad and a low-res display, and which have no "Amiga" features?  

Use the several hundred database discs... clip arts, fonts, etc..

>   Suppose I'd like to run something like the "Music Madness" Mac CD-ROM disc
>which contains 400M of music, tools and effects, and utilities to allow a
>person to build all kinds of tunes.  Is anything like this available for the
>Amiga?  Or how about something like the Mac "Trade Opportunities" CD which 
>contains information about global trade from public and private sources?

That's rather a Mac problem. Databases should use an interchangable file
format to be used by several applications.

>   JPEG was intended for still images.  Making JPEG work on animations in
>real time is a major kludge.  Ask anyone who is familiar with QuickTime.

Hahahahaha.... It is not a major kludge. Ask the people that use the
editmaster. JPEG isn't _ideal_ for animations because it doesn't remove
that many redundancies as MPEG which means your machine needs larger
resources (mainly HD capacity and speed). But this is _better_ than MPEG
if you don't want to play back these anims on smaller machines but want
to produce standard video tapes that currently 99% of all people will
use to look at anims.

>> The list price is
>>$2495.

>    The MPEG decompression hardware for CD-I from Philips will list for $300,
>and offer the same performance.  MPEG was developed for full-motion video,
>which is why it will be cheap.  Motorola is reportedly working on an MPEG
>decompression chip which will be available for $50 in big quanties.  

Rubbish. The MPEG _decompression_ hardware does less than the editmaster
because it cannot _compress_. The editmaster is for _producers_ (btw,
generating an MPEG movie is still very expensive).

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (Psigon Matrix....do you DOUBT us??)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Don't let the Amiga Die (Part II)!!!
Date: 12 Dec 92 07:37:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: msus1.1992Dec12.133757.1849
 <Bz2E1r.8Kw@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> <1992Dec11.040433.26651@qdpii.comp.qdpi.oz.au>,<Bz5qzq.4DA@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>
Reply-To: martin@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <Bz5qzq.4DA@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu>, papresco@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Paul Prescod) writes:
>>Yes, but the idea is that the activity going on in the background, while
>>you're playing, is anything but all-consuming.  Things like printing,
>>downloading, or even tracing the odd ray or two.  Sometimes I'd like to
>>play a quick shoot'em-up while I download, but I have to settle for solitaire
>>or something because it's the only sort of game that multitasks.
>
>Hmmm, not under OS/2.  Granted, you have to pick your games...something
>that uses a lot of interrupts can't do it.  I haven't done it much,
>though.  I don't play alot of games.  Some people do, though.
>>
>>The animation of the characters could be improved.  Objects get pretty chunky
>>looking when you get up close.
>
>Compared to what other game?
>
>>  The native PC sound support is horrible.
>
>There is no such thing as "native PC sound."  You choose your sound
>board just as you choose a video card or a modem.  Unless you are going
>to argue that CGA is "native PC video" and a serial port is a "native
>PC modem."  Just because there is a speaker in the computer doesn't
>mean it was meant for games!
>

Yea, like the Apple II speaker wasn't meant for games.  It's what comes w/ the
computer, so it's the units "Native Sound".  I have heard some nice stuff from
that PC speaker, but Wolfenstien taint one of them.


Jim
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 300 MIP Amiga
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 05:50:25 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <1992Dec11.065344.12527@sbcs.sunysb.edu>
  <1992Dec12.013640.20899@grebyn.com>

>compilers' optimizers can almost make the whole program go away.  The
>correct benchmarks to use these days is Specmarks, which tries to
>measure the performance of doing something really significant...

Like, uh, playing solitaire while downloading? <g>

TomK@cup.portal.com
Tom Krotchko
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From: dh747612@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Dana Hartshorn)
Subject: Re: Emulatin' the GS s'more, mon
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:05:02 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Sony made the PB100, Apple made all the rest.  PB170s are assembled in Fountain Colorado from parts made all over the world (OK, Asia and the US).

Dana
From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: ATTN: We're buying part of C=
Date: 14 Dec 1992 01:52:56 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu
Keywords: money


>We encourage all interested parties to participate with us 
>by purchasing CBU stock at the opening bell on December 
>17th.  

Could somebody (the original poster perhaps) e-mail me the entire
original post?  I seem to have misplaced it.

	Thanks
	Robert Fentiman

UseNet: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu
At: University of Minnesota, Duluth

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel)
Subject: Re: The glorious merits of MS-DOS:
Organization: Molecular Simulations, Inc.
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 21:37:04 GMT
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John Bickers (jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz) wrote:
:
: > Years ago?  I was using System V/AT in 1986 and OS/2 in 1987.  You must be
:
:     OS/2 2.0, or the crappy pre-2.0 versions that used to run on 286s?
:

I did say "1987", so I was obviously talking about 1.x.  And there was
nothing "crappy" about it, unless you consider pre-emptive multitasking,
virtual memory, protection, DIG, and all that stuff "crappy".

:
: *** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
:
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+-------------------+----------------------------+---------------------------+
| JERRY J. SHEKHEL  | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Time just fades the pages |
| Drummers do it... |     Burlington, MA USA     | in my book of memories.   |
|    ... In rhythm! |        jerry@msi.com       |         -- Guns N' Roses  |
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From: freire2a@serss0 (Angel Freire)
Subject: Re: Power-up for AGA Machines! rumour.
Organization: Florida International University, Miami
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:34:01 GMT

>In article <1gib3hINNn0l@pith.uoregon.edu> ggiles@cie.uoregon.edu (Gregg Giles) writes:

>>In article <71644@cup.portal.com> spiercy@cup.portal.com (Scott Kelly Piercy) writes:

>>my dealer told me (and I used to work for him, so I can trust him, although
>>I always have doubts of his C= source, simply because I know C= all
>>too well) that C= will release an AMIGA next year (he said the time frame
>>was about 4 months from now) that contains the DEC ALPHA processor.  
>>Totally speculation at this point however


>   Fat chance. Do you even know what the power requirements for that chip are?
>It's not just big, it's HUGE. It's not going to happen. 
>

for what its worth... i was at a small dealer-sponsored multimedia/4000/
1200 mini conference yesterday. there was a Commodore rep on hand. 
after checking out the 1200 and 4000 which both had nice aga demos 
running, i went over to chat with the C= rep. (i cant remember his name
too well but i do remember his last name sounds a lot like Hoek of Ren
fame)

anyways...among the things he CONFIRMED were that the scsiII card will
be available at the beginning of 93, the dsp will be out sometime a 
little later in the year, AND he positively told me that there were 
amigas in the research labs with DEC ALPHAS running AmigaDos. i was 
quite surprised. im no hardware guy, but wouldn't the OS have to be 
recompiled to run on the Alpha? isn't it an either or kind of thing? 
you know: AmigaDos compiled for 68k or AmigaDos for Alpha? well, he made
it seem that it would run on both with no modifications. regardless, I
had a C= rep tell me that thre would be Alpha powered amigas. no timetable
was given. one other note. i asked him about the rumors of an ec030, 030,
and 040 Tower version of the 4000 and he told me those reports were wrong.
he did say there would be a model to fit between the 4000 and 1200 but 
did not specify whether it would be a new model or an 030 powered 4000.
come to think of it, his negation of the ec030, 030, and 040T seemed 
more to indicate that there wouldn't be those exact 3 models but that
one or two of them might be right. 

one final note: he stated that on Jan 1 there would be a power up 
program. no details. l8r!

Angel Freire
Florida Internationl University
freire2a@serss0.fiu.edu 
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