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From: glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson)
Subject: Headache Cures (was Re: Xanax)
Originator: glp@merlin
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:10:31 GMT


In article <xvsnzx-.strnlght@netcom.com>, strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:

|> Another NLP process might be to imagine the headache (after the above
|> identification of its submodalities) shrinking, and then shooting it
|> into the sun in a rocket, where it burns up. Dunno about that one, though.

I learned a variant of this in High School (in Southern
California, of course) that I still use.

It works very well for tension headaches - I always
thought it was basically a relaxation technique.  Works
less well on drug-induced or hangover headaches but it
does seem to increase the efficacy of aspirin/whatever.

I've read a couple of NLP books and what they talked about
sounded like retraining to get rid of or change thought
habits.  I don't think NLP has any exclusive claim on
this technique.  Or maybe I just don't remember the theories
but do remember the techniques which I've encountered with
other psychotherapy.

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From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Prevalence of Hyperobesity
Date: 14 Sep 92 05:55:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: omen.1992Sep14.055541.6113
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest

In article <16440@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>Any breakdown according to ethnicity?  It would be interesting
>to see how French and English Americans compare to their counterparts
>in Europe.  One has the impression that certain ethnic groups
>carry a higher percentage of the hyperobese, especially among women.  
>-- 

The paper did mention that the prevalence of obesity is greater in
black women than in non-blacks.   No difference was found in men.

        "we checked whether differences of mean BMI in women
        among the three countries held when excluding black
        women from the USA sample.  The result of the comparison
        remained the same"

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  Omen Technology Inc    "The High Reliability Software"
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From: breeding@snkerz.enet.dec.com (Andy Breeding)
Subject: Wound that won't heal
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 21:42:05 GMT


My mother has a wound on her leg that won't heal.  She has rheumatoid
arthritis and sustained the wound in a minor accident over a year ago.
Apparently the medications she's taking are the culprit*  But her doctors
don't seem to be handling the problem.  Does anyone know of a possible
solutions? (e.g. would a skin graft work?)  Any suggestions would be
appreciated.

Andy Breeding



* - prednisone and methotrexate (sp?)
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: the invasion of the NLP droids (was Re: Xanax)
Date: 9 Sep 92 17:48:44 GMT
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <xvsnzx-.strnlght@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:
>Werner Erhard used to use something similar many years ago when he was
>doing est training seminars. His version was called "The Famous est
>Headache Cure".

This is known as substituting a pain in the ass for a pain in the neck.

Actually, David, perhaps you'd like to try your exercises on
our bedridden Lymies and their "embedded spirochetes". 

-- 
Steve Dyer
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From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Baclofen
Date: 10 Sep 92 17:52:04 GMT
Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA.

In article <q8snmkm.lindae@netcom.com> lindae@netcom.com writes:

>Thank you for the information, but now you've created another question
>for me.  What is GABA?


I forget what the initials stand for and am too lazy to look it
up, (it will be something like gamma amino butyric acid, which
is purely a concocted guess) but it should suffice to tell you that it 
is a neurotransmitter, like dopamine and norepinephrine, etc.

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From: scb1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Sam Blackman)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Doctor's hours
Date: 8 Sep 92 14:01:32 GMT
Reply-To: scb1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Someone here wrote this, but I lost the attribute ...
>>
>>  The important and serious question is what being examined and treated by
>>people suffering from potentially extreme fatigue is doing to the patients
>>and what risk they are subject to by this absurd practice that appears to
>>have more relation to fraternity initiation than the teaching or practice
>>of medicine.
>>
>>Jeff Sicherman

[now I know who wrote this ... pardon my poor editing]

Perhaps you should look up the Libby Zion case, and the subsequent legislation
in New York that restricts interns and residents to a maximum of 80 hours per
week.  Having spent 36 hours awake working in the hospital, I can say (at least
for myself) that while I'm not an acute threat to anyone's safety, I'd hate
to be on the receiving end of ANYTHING from me during those last few hours
(i.e., the receiving end of a syringe, IV, cathether, etc.).  Of course, the
large boulder that is the medical establishment in this country is VERY     
difficult to move.   

Perhaps the guy from the U.K. who's words I'm responding to could tell us a
bit about the work actions taken by some of the jr. doctors in England (it 
surprises me that interns and residents in the U.S. don't stand up for them-
selves more - comments, anyone?)

-- Sam


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From: mdkline@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Mark D. Kline)
Subject: Re: Depression: Nutritional treatments
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 09:38:14 EDT

In article <PHR.92Sep9131450@soda.berkeley.edu> phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin) writes:
>There seems to be considerable agreement that amino acid supplements
>(specifically L-phenylalanine and to a lesser extent tyrosene)
>help certain kinds of depression.  I haven't heard of tryptophan
>being used that way.  The usual explanation is that L-phenylalanine
>is a norepinepherine precursor.  _Life Extension_, by D. Pearson and 
>S. Shaw, has more info and pointers into the "legitimate" literature.
>This info is from a friend of mine whose blood chemistry is screwed
>up and uses L-ph. to help depression caused by n.e. depletion.
>She says it is way better than the Imipramine she used to use.

Hey, I'm glad your friend is feeling better but whoa....considerable
agreement among who, the people who sell amino acids?  While precursor
loading (a "nutritional" approach) makes sense in some neurological
disorders (e.g., parkinson's) there is no clear evidence that amino
acids reliably help any kind of depression.

People who read this group should keep in mind that clinical trials
in depressive illness are relatively easily carried out; they are
done all the time, testing phototherapy, various psychological
interventions, and of course, antidepressant drugs.  A typical
sequence in drug development is open trial (no placebo), then
comparative or placebo controlled study.   IT would be EASY 
to conduct a trial of phenylalanine or tyrosine versus placebo
in depression.  If somebody did it, and it worked, we'd all be
taking and prescribing phenylalanine rather than imipramine and
prozac.   

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From: green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein)
Subject: Re: Chinese Herb for Malaria
Organization: Strawman Incorporated
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 20:16:32 GMT

>In article <Btws0t.3y0@Novell.COM> terry@thisbe.npd.Novell.COM (Terry
>Lambert) writes:         
>>Are there any examples at all of "Chinese Medicine" (quoted to include
>>other than herbel concoctions, not to denigrate) adopting anything
>>from "Western Medicine"?  I occasionally hear of herb remedy being
>>adopted after study, usually in the form of an extract containing the
>>active compound as a concentrate (ie:  in JAMA, NEJM), but never hear
>>of anything going the other way.   Has anyone involved in "Chinese
>>Medicine" ever seen inclusion of a "Western" medical treatment,
>>regime, protocol, or substance?  This has me relatively curious.

Absolutely. The integration of Chinese and Western medicine is done
routinely in China. Unlike this country, the barriers betweeen traditional
and modern medicine are not as great. Virtually all M.D.s are cross-trained
in both disciplines. We have a lot to learn from them. There are Chinese
languages journals dedicated to integrated medicine.

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From: mdesai@stealth.webo.dg.com (Munish Desai)
Subject: Psoriasis
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 19:24:23 GMT
Reply-To: mdesai@stealth.webo.dg.com (Munish Desai)
Organization: Data General Corporation, Westboro, MA


  I was wondering if anyone knows about psoriasis:

    - what it actually does to the skin
    - cause
    - any effective treatments or cure
    - is it fatal
    - is it hereditary 

  Thanks.
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From: Foley_Dave@Tandem.com (Dave Foley)
Subject: IV Gamma-G for SLE / AutoImmune Dis ?
Organization: Tandem Computers
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:29:26 GMT

Does anyone know of clinical studies or published research on the use of 
intravenous Gamma Globulin for the treatment of Systemic Lupus Erythematosus
or Autoimmune disease where IgG is not depressed but T-cell complement 3 is
depressed and suppressor/helper ratio is high ?

Any info on this or closely related issues would be appreciated.

Thanks,
   Dave Foley
   Foley_Dave@Tandem.com

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      but not so open that your brains fall out."   Stephen J. Kallis
From: phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: L-tryptophan and insomnia
Date: 11 Sep 92 17:24:14
Organization: CSUA/UCB
	<1992Sep11.185239.29651@spdcc.com> <l1vnckc.strnlght@netcom.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: strnlght@netcom.com's message of Fri, 11 Sep 92 20:35:59 GMT

Folk wisdom says eating turkey sandwiches with cheese is good for
insomnia.  Apparently the turkey has a lot of tryptophan and the cheese
has a lot of calcium, and the combination helps you get to sleep.
Should be easy to look in a nutrition book to see how much tryptophan
is in turkey, etc.  I have the opposite of insomnia myself...yawn...
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Hemp and the effects(?)]
Date: 13 Sep 92 21:09:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Sep13.210927.14475
Organization: Western Washington University

901371d@dragon.acadiau.ca (Danny Nathin DiDio) writes:

> I was wondering exactly what the effects were when on
>THC.What gets you high,does the drug actually wipe out 
>neurons?

No.  It does no such thing.   

Jim Del Vecchio
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Magnesium Salicylate
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:00:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.195831.11267@decuac.dec.com> jcp@islay.dco.dec.com (Jolly C. Pancakes) writes:
>	Aspirin causes stomach bleeding both because it is acidic and
>because it inhibits clotting. (This has always been my understanding)

It causes GI bleeding because it has a local effect on the gut (its
anti-PG actions and probably a direct irritant effect) and because of
its effects on platelet function.

>	There are salicylates which do not include acetic acid which are
>as effective as inhibitors of prostaglandin production. Can these be
>bought over the counter?

Well, they're salts of salicylic acid, not acetylsalicylic acid.
Yes.  I think "Doans' Pills" and a couple of other weirdo nostrums
are OTC.   Check the label--I don't trust my memory.

>	Acetaminophen is even easier on the stomach because it doesn't
>effect prostaglandin synthesis, which is why I never take it because
>it's those damned prostaglandins I want to whomp into submission. SOOOO,

Well, acetaminophen appears to inhibit prostaglandin synthesis in the brain.

>are you also saying, then, that anything that inhibits prostaglandin
>production is therefore also hard on the stomach? Why is that?

It appears that the patency of the mucosa in the stomach is somehow
maintained by certain prostaglandins which are synthesized locally.
This is the rationale for administering the oral prostaglandin
misoprostol along with potent NSAIDs in individuals who are especially
sensitive to the GI effects of these drugs.

>Does that also apply to Ibuprufen?

Ibuprofen.  Yep.  Some drugs appear (for whatever reason) to be nastier
in the regard than others, though whether this reflects an absolute
potency or a preferential effect on the GI tract, I don't know.  Indomethacin
(Indocin) is notable for causing GI problems.  The newer drugs Relafen
(nabumetone) and Lodine (etodolac) are believed to have a lesser effect
on the GI tract, perhaps because they do not inhibit GI prostaglandin
synthesis very well.  Other NSAIDs are in the middle, with ibuprofen generally
considered to be one of the better tolerated drugs.  But any of these
can cause trouble.

>(but Iboprufen does not affect blood clotting, yes?)

Good question.  NSAIDs other than aspirin have some effect on platelet
function, but it's reversible.  I'm not sure how clinically important
this is.

-- 
Steve Dyer
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From: markr@sound.cts.com (Mark B. Reinhold)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: What is Lupus?
Summary: Lupus and remission
Keywords: Lupus SLE
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 19:56:16 PDT
Organization: SDCT 1-619-461-3415

stevem@solbourne.com (Stephen Matson) writes:
>  There are two types of lupus, and I forgot the exact names, where SLE is
>  the most dangerous. The more benign Lupus seems to only affect the skin

Distoid Lupus is the version that gives you lesions of the skin. SLE can
do it too, but I did not have that problem.

>  It is interesting to note that in the dozen or so accounts of Lupus remissio
>  I have read, all of the patients had a major change in the lives prior to th
>  remission. Such as moving to a new house, moving to a new state, having a do
>  die, etc. This seems to confirm in my mind the environmental link in lupus.
>  I believe Lupus is caused by an allergic or hypersensitive reaction.

I would agree that there may be some inviromental links. I think that
people who reject authority, or challange it also have a much better
chance.

I was diagnosed with SLE at the age of 10 in 1966. I had active SLE in
the kindeys and was a very sick little boy. I spent time in lots of
hospitals including UCLA which was a nightmare. In 1970 I went into
remission. In 1975 I joined the the navy and got into navy SEALS. The
navy did not know about the SLE, but I bring this to show that the
remission was complete, and certainly did not effect me in any way.

Good luck and if you have any questions please feel free to email me.

Mark
From: sean+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sean McLinden)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:57:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.Uefy3Z_00Uh_Q8ng50
	<1992Sep10.211606.7486@cbnews.cb.att.com>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

>In article <16420@pitt.UUCP> geb@dsl.pitt.edu (gordon e. banks) writes:
>>In science, it is the person making the claims of the cure that
>>is obligated to provide the evidence, not the skeptic.
> 
>This is true; however readers should note that it is equally true if
the claims
>are that the cure is ineffective as well as effective.

Bzzzt! Wrong! To do what you say would permit cyclic reasoning. You must
*always* prove that something is effective. When you have done so, you have
evidence to answer the objections of people to the contrary. Until you do,
they (the skeptics) are correct, at least insofar as what is required as
a rationale for treatment.

>Thus, for example, both the claim that "X is effective in dealing with Y," and
>"X is useless in dealing with Y," may not reasonably be made without
>substantiation; however the statements "I am not convinced that X is effective
>in dealing with Y" or "The evidence presented does not demonstrate that X is
>ineffective in dealing with Y" do not require such evidence.

Are we talking science, here, or Miss Manners? Either evidence exists for the
efficacy of a treatment or it doesn't. If it doesn't, then those that say the
treatment is ineffective are clinically correct.

>While it is frequently pointed out that unsubstantiated claims of
effectiveness
>are not "scientific", unfortunately many of those who attack such claims err
>in claims of actual ineffectiveness without substantiation.

Anyone can be wrong (read "uninformed") in claiming that something is not an
effective therapy but the burden of proof is *never* on them to prove it. How
could it be? Suppose that no record of a study ever having been done existed.
How could you prove ineffectiveness on the basis of no evidence! The best that
you can do is say that no evidence exists to say it is effective, in which
case, claims to the contrary are fradulent or misguided.

>It would benefit all readers of this group if unsubstantiated claims on both
>sides could be avoided, and attacks kept to a minimum.  Of course that is
>probably far too much to ask for this group's participants :-).

It would be of benefit to this group if the advocates of any therapy limited
themselves to what evidence exists and try to separate that evidence from
anecdote, personal experience, wishes, dreams, and idle and fanciful
speculation. All of the latter have their role in science, but they do not
carry the same weight as a well-designed experiment.

Sean McLinden
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Baclofen
Date: 11 Sep 92 00:43:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep11.004310.21369
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep10.180709.234@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
>please excuse my naivete, but is this one of that new bunch of
>computer-designed pharmacueticals that is explicitly tailored to "fit" certain
>receptors, thereby either augmenting or (sometimes) displacing the chemicals
>that usually bind there?  i understand there is quite a lot of interest in CAD
>of these drugs/substances/molecules.

Baclofen is a pretty old drug, say, 20 years or so.  It was designed
as an obvious analogue to GABA (the similarities are obvious when you
look at their chemical structures), but undoubtedly through a screening
program using purely cognitive means.  I'm not familiar with the earlier
related drugs which were eliminated during its development.

-- 
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From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
Subject: Dr. Dean another Ophra?
Keywords: dean
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 19:29:01 GMT

 I have always enjoyed the Dr. Dean Edell radio show and found it
quite educational,however his TV show seems to have taken a turn into
the sexual sensation and titillation category.
Does a TV show need always follow this irrevocable path to survive?

Do we really need to see professional prositutes and real life vampires
to be medically educated?

The show was off to a great start,but somewhere the subject matter got
perverted.


--
                     Gary E. Davis WQ1F (On AO13)
        University of Vermont  Land Liner's dial 802-656-1916
 References " The Joys of Rumination Without The Cud", Elsie circa 1965
From: sean+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sean McLinden)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Subject: Re: Doctor's hours
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:44:12 GMT
	<BuBE9K.9LE@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



>I am a consumer of medical services, and I perceive what I consider the
>effect of this type of "training" on the practitioners; regardless of
the >disclaimers presented here, it is next to impossible to find a
physician
>who does not essentially practice stimulus-response medicine instead of
>thinking.

I am a driver and I perceive that objects viewed in my side view mirror
look farther away than they really are. Luckily, when I drive I use other
mechanisms to correct my perceptions to correspond with the facts.

I am not sure that you say what you mean, here. "Stimulus-response" implies
that physician actions are unreasoned and totally reactive. If you believe
that it is "impossible" for you to find a physician that does not behave in
any other than this type of manner, then either you exist in some rare
and possibly fictional community (Stepford?) or it is you who is at
fault.

>Now some of this would happen in any case.  But I believe that if the 
>training of physicians consisted more of reasoning than emergency-room
>procedures, all of us would be much better off.

I am not going to be the first one to defend every aspect of physician
training but being on-call is *not* the same as staffing an emergency room
and, in any event, the clinical strategies of emergency room clinicians
are not the same as those of clinicians dealing with inpatients. I believe
taht exposure to both of these scenarios, as well as others, are a necessary
part of a well-rounded clinical program.

Sean McLinden
From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Xanax
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 20:49:32 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)


Jim Del Vecchio seems to think mockery is a substitute for rational discourse.
The evidence of quick cures for certain kinds of phobias is well and massively
documented in the NLP and Behavioral Psychology literature, and some here
with professional qualifications seem to be well familiar with it, though
they quite properly point out that it doesn't work for everything (or even,
they might say, for many things).

As to Freud's now-disproven notion that "symptom suppression" will merely
cause the symptoms to pop up in new and troubling ways, that has also been
well handled in the literature. In particular the British psychologist
H.J. Eysenck has written extensively about it, as have others. The empirical
findings are that rather than the symptoms recurring, the patients are so
happy to be rid of the extinguished symptoms that their overall mental and
physical health improves in other, often dramatic ways.

Naturally, the above doesn't apply to everyone or to every complaint, and
this message is not medical advice. For medical advice consult a trained and
licensed practitioner.

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