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From: bgossett@lsil.com (Brent Gossett 6108)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: Interleaf -> Frame
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:42:22 GMT
Reply-To: bgossett@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

---
I recently had to convert a batch of Interleaf files to FM using Frame's FilterPak 3.0.  The filter requires IAF (Interleaf ASCII Format) as input and outputs MIF.  Because Interleaf supports some functions that FM does not, you may have to search for key words in the IAF file and remove them. (The FilterPack docs list a few of these.  I can provide the other ones if you need them.)  The only other difficulty I encountered was not having enough memory and/or temp space on my local hard drive (running FM 3.



1X under UNIX).  I found it necessary to use an ASCII editor to split up large IAF files into smaller files that the iaf2mif filter could process given the limitations of my system.

The filtered files needed some further formating, though.  But that may have been due to the fact that the original writer didn't know how to use Interleaf very well.

Brent Gossett 
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From: edy@andersen.com (Edy Liongosari)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: FrameViewer
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:49:19 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Aug19.214919.10425
Organization: Andersen Consulting

I don't follow this group continously, so if this is a FAQ
please bear with me.

Recenty, someone posted a question regarding FrameViewer for the help
system of an application he/she was building.

I have no idea of what FrameViewer is. It seems to me it is a "read-only"
version of FrameMaker, which means that it can read the frame maker file, 
print it, but not edit it. Is that right?

If so, do you know what is the cost of FrameViewer? How stable is it to be 
incorporated into a product? And how does your application communicate
with FrameViewer? Can it read MIF file and display the result?

Thanks

-Edy

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Center for Strategic Technology Research            Phone: (312) 507-8482
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: matt@unidata.ucar.edu (Matt Hicks)
Subject: resizing C and P catalog windows in Unix Frame?
Keywords: resize, windows, Unix 
Organization: Scientific Computing Division/NCAR Boulder, CO
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:23:13 GMT

Is there a way to resize the windows on the paragraph and character
catalogs so that you don't have to scroll every time you call them
up? I'm working in the X-windows version on a Mac. The windows are
borderless so there is nothing to click on to drag. I'll probably
learn the keyboard shortcuts (such as they are) eventually, because
I hate mice, but in the meantime all this scrolling is getting on my
nerves.

Oh yeah, I have a three-button Gravis mouse, if that makes any dif-
ference.
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From: mssmith@afterlife.ncsc.mil (M. Scott Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: FrameMaker Mac/Sun Connectivity
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:48:17 GMT
Organization: The Great Beyond

Hi all..

   I'm using FrameMaker 3.0 on a Mac Quadra 900, and I'm also using Frame
3.0 on Sun workstations.
   I prefer to create documents on the Macintosh (I like its interface
better than the Sun, and I find Frame runs more sluggishly on our Sparcs
anyway; and, I have a scanner on the Mac), but right now I need to load
them in on the Sun to print, and also to distribute to other users.
   I've been scanning in pictures and including them in my documents;
however, when I open the Macintosh-created document on the Sun, FrameMaker
isn't always instrumental in bringing up the graphics.
   For example, it says in the console "Cannot load imported graphic ."

   I tried getting the graphics to the Sun side via other means (saving
the graphics as EPS and then trying to import them on the Sun, or even
installing FilterPack), but at best I was able to import the graphics
successfully half of the time.  (Actually, to be honest, I did it
successfully ONCE -- but am unable to do it anymore..)

   This morning I loaded a Mac-created document on the Sun that had
several scanned-in images; half of them came in, the other half didn't.
This makes me think that it might be a memory problem, but these are
small 300-dpi 8-bit greyscale images, and I've got 32 megs of RAM on
the Sun.

So...  Anyone got any ideas?

Does anyone currently use FrameMaker on both a Mac and a Sun?  If so,
what are your experiences with getting it to work?

Any comments would be appreciated..

M. Scott Smith
mssmith@afterlife.ncsc.mil || umsmith@mcs.drexel.edu
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: koelman@cuby.stc.nl (Ton Koelman)
Subject: Drawing dashed lines
Reply-To: koelman@stc.nato.int
Organization: SHAPE Technical Centre, NL
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 08:46:32 GMT


How do I draw dashed lines (3.0, NeXT)
I hope it can be done...


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SHAPE Technical Centre, P.O. Box 174, 2501 CD  The Hague
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Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: todd@draco.macsch.com (Todd C. Williams)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
Subject: Re: frame Xresources
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:19:55 GMT
Organization: MacNeal-Schwendler Corp.

In article <1992Aug20.114306.16053@uk03.bull.co.uk> ewoods@hemel.bull.co.uk (Eoin Woods) writes:
>todd@draco.macsch.com (Todd C. Williams) writes:
>
>>IS THERE ONE ALL-INCLUSIVE LIST of the Xresources supported
>>by framemaker?  Any difference in the X and OL versions?
>
>The offical list is in an Appendix in the Frame Reference Manual (App
>D I think).

"Frame Reference Manual", huh?  That wasn't included in the 5 manuals
they sent me.  I have a huge one called "Using Framemaker", and a tiny
one called "Framemaker Technical Reference", but I don't have any
appdices of X resources.  Thanks anyway.
-- 
Todd Williams    UNIX Systems Coordinator     todd@macsch.com    (213) 259-4973
MacNeal-Schwendler Corp. ("MSC"),  815 Colorado Blvd.,  Los Angeles, CA   90041
"The Democrats stand for nothing except 'I wish I was a Republican' and the
Republicans stand for raw, unbridled evil and greed and ignorance smothered
in balloons and ribbons."  -Frank Zappa, 1991  (Zappa for president!)
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: davidl@ssd.intel.com (David Levine)
Subject: Re: frame Xresources
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 20:08:37 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.114306.16053@uk03.bull.co.uk> ewoods@hemel.bull.co.uk (Eoin Woods) writes:
>todd@draco.macsch.com (Todd C. Williams) writes:
>>I see some mention in the FAQ of 'Maker*background: white', etc.,
>>and I see a little here and there about various other resources,
>>but IS THERE ONE ALL-INCLUSIVE LIST of the Xresources supported
>>by framemaker?  Any difference in the X and OL versions?
>
>The offical list is in an Appendix in the Frame Reference Manual (App
>D I think).

The complete list can be found by looking in $FMHOME/.fminit2.0/xresources/*, 
but it would be wise to use only those resources documented in Appendix D.

- David D. Levine, Intel Supercomputer Systems Division == davidl@ssd.intel.com
  "Our President's crazy / Did you hear what he said?"
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: bae@hplsdrn.col.hp.com (Bruce Erickson)
Subject: Re: Rotate Objects != 90 degrees?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:47:54 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Logic Systems Operation

In comp.text.frame (subj: Rotate Objects != 90 degrees?), Theo.Kanter writes:
> 
> In FrameMaker 3.0 I would like to be able rotate Objects any nymber of 
> degrees. Not just 90 degrees. This works for lines by dragging the ends 
> around, but is there some function which allows one to rotate objects by
> an arbitrary number of degrees?

Select the object (or objects), hit (in sequence) ^R g i

This will give you a dialog box and let you specify the rotation angle.

To use the mouse, select the object and use ^Rgt....


                  - Bruce Erickson
                     Hewlett Packard
                     bae@col.hp.com
Newsgroups: comp.text.frame
From: phang@eecg.toronto.edu (Khoman Phang)
Subject: Keeping diagrams fixed on a page
Summary: How would you keep a set of diagrams fixed on a page?
Keywords: fixed anchor figures
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:34:11 GMT

	Does anyone know how to keep a set of diagrams fixed on a page? 
I have a couple of figures I'd like to keep together on one page. Below
each figure I've created a smaller text frame in order to place a figure
title.  I've tried disabling the flow around the page with the diagrams, but
then the autonumbering scheme for my figures screws up, and starts from n=1
again.  
	As this is probably a common problem, I was hoping someone had a 
solution and would be willing to enlighten me.  Thanks a bunch.

Khoman Phang
(phang@eecg.toronto.edu)
From: Mike Dustan <Mike_Dustan@sfu.ca>
Subject: Re: Master page text columns to body page
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6B81CBF26022B30@opifex.ucs.sfu.ca>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 19 Aug 92 23:43:59 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:44:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.234716.12922@medtron.medtronic.com> Kate Seastone,
kate@medtronic.COM writes:
>I have noticed a peculiarity when applying master page
>formats to body pages:
>
>I have created 4 text columns on my master page "Right"
>and 4 on my master page "Left" and the style sheets are
>slightly shifted accordingly for binding. (... fine and dandy...)
>(These text columns all have tags)

This plagued me for *months* until I finally figured it out. Your text
columns must all have flow tags, it's true, but they must all have the
*same* tag and be part of the same flow. Try this:

Go to your master pages and connect all four columns on your left page
into a single flow (click the first, shift-click the second, then use
Column Connections). (I use a Mac, your commands may vary.) Repeat for
the right page. Now remove the flow tag for the right page and connect
the last column of the left page with the first column of the right. Go
ahead, it works; the handles on the left page disappear when you
shift-click on the right page, but that's okay. Connect the two pages.

No guarantees, of course, but it worked for me.

Cheers
Mike Dustan, Computing Services, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC
Canada
From: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Re: Table creation
Date: 18 Aug 92 16:31:12 GMT
Reply-To: pcg@aber.ac.uk (Piercarlo Grandi)
Organization: Prifysgol Cymru, Aberystwyth

On 17 Aug 92 17:37:01 GMT, jem@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Jim McCauley) said:

jem> My view of tables has gone through many changes, but basically, I
jem> feel that a table is a database for the eyes.

A very nice definition!

jem> I have often wondered if it might be worthwhile to create a markup
jem> subsystem for tables that is in fact a database application.

Or probably you would rather have a dynamic link to a database application.

jem> Every tech writer with any degree of experience has faced the
jem> regrettable task of reformatting tables to modify the sequence or
jem> style of presentation.  Usually, the only tool for use is a text
jem> editor. [ ... he'd rather like to use something that looks like
jem> improv, 1-2-3 or excel ... ]

jem> Has any such table-creation tool ever been developed?

Well, you have been really describing a spreadsheet with in built
database facilities. Yes, such things do exist, and some are even used
mostly for table word processing, and they are called 'spreadsheets'.
No, I am not joking. There is even one book, something like 'IBM PC
resources', which is made *entirely* of tables (IRQs, traps, memory
addresses, character sets, whatever) done in excel, used as a page
layout program.

What you probably want for yourself is an editor/formatter and a
spreadsheet/database with hot links between them, using things like
NeXT's composite document technology (WriteNow+Improv), or Microsoft's
OLE/DDE , or DEC's or Apple's or HP's equivalent technologies.

If you are happy enough with *static* inclusion, then the Unix SC
spreadsheet might be used (FTP from pc.usl.edu); it can emit its tables
in ASCII, LaTeX or TROFF format.

jem> Is SGML useful in defining such a tool?

Not SGML's type of job -- more like SQL's.
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From: jem@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Jim McCauley)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:37:01 GMT
Subject: Table creation
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.text

/ hpcupt3:comp.text.sgml / jem@hpcupt3.cup.hp.com (Jim McCauley) / 10:19 am  Aug 17, 1992 /
I have used more markup systems than I care to remember over my years
of technical writing, and I feel that one part of my job has never
been reasonably supported by any system: table preparation.

My view of tables has gone through many changes, but basically, I feel
that a table is a database for the eyes.  I have often wondered if it
might be worthwhile to create a markup subsystem for tables that is in
fact a database application.

Every tech writer with any degree of experience has faced the
regrettable task of reformatting tables to modify the sequence or
style of presentation.  Usually, the only tool for use is a text
editor.  While one can go a long way with string-manipulation macros,
they are often more treacherous than useful.

I would like to see a table preparation and editing system that allows
row data to be entered on a form, cell by cell.  Each data row gets
one form.  For any cell entry, one would have the option of
duplicating any other cell in the row (for horizontal spanning) or
duplicating the contents the same cell on any other form (for vertical
spanning).

Once the data for the body of the table is in a database, it becomes a
fairly simple matter to reorder columns, sort on any desired column,
and so forth.  Also, editing row data on a database form would be far
less likely to result in errors than editing continuous text
interspersed with markup.  Perhaps the system might also be able to
"autosort" complex tables for the most convenient conjunctions of
vertically-spanned material.

Table heads would be defined separately.  The database could supply a
source of column heads simply by allowing a file of column descriptors
for manual editing.  The creative aspects of spanning in tableheads
might make this a task which cannot usefully be automated.

Has any such table-creation tool ever been developed?  Is SGML useful
in defining such a tool?

Jim McCauley, Learning Products Engineer    **   I do not speak for   **
(that means that I write documentation)     ** Hewlett-Packard in any **
jem@cup.hp.com                              **   official capacity.   **
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From: enag@ifi.uio.no (Erik Naggum)
Newsgroups: comp.text
Subject: Re: Table creation
Keywords: SGML, tables
Date: 18 Aug 92 23:59:00 GMT
Organization: Department of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway


Piercarlo Grandi <pcg@aber.ac.uk> writes:
|
|   jem> Is SGML useful in defining such a tool?
|
|   Not SGML's type of job -- more like SQL's.

SGML is a description language, while SQL is a query language.  There's
nothing to keep you from applying SQL to an SGML document treated as a
relational data base.  SGML certainly has the power to describe it,
although you probably would build a more efficient system for your
access needs.  SGML has been used as the interchange format between
dissimilar RDBMS's with great success, for instance.

Tables pose great challenges in all descriptive languages, since people
tend to be overly interested in table layout, and understanding how to
separate the information in a table from its layout is not complete.

Jim McCauley's definition is right on track, but tables get very hairy
once you go beyond the clean, two-dimensional tables, and into three- or
four-dimensional information structures mapped into two dimensions in a
table with subheadings, categories, footnotes and cross-references.  We
know a lot about how these beasts should be formatted, but the "database
for the eyes" approach could perhaps point us in the right direction for
understanding the information structures involved that are now largely
implicit in the table designer's mind.

Best regards,
</Erik>
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Newsgroups: comp.text.desktop
From: cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY)
Subject: page maker help
Organization: Glassboro State College, Glassboro, NJ
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:27:36 GMT


i'm having two problems with page maker, hopefully somebody out there can 
help me.

	first of all, when i import text from word perfect, sometimes (and 
it seems to be arbitrary) commas are not translated and words which were 
separated by a comma in wp51 are runtogether in pagemaker. why? and what do 
i do to stop this? i just printed out a 32 page doccument and distributed 
it, only later to realize that maybe 40 or 50 commas didn't properly cross 
over.

	secondly, is there a way to "nail" the top or bottom of a window to 
a particular page or place on the page? I'd like to have an article in a 
doccument which will go from say, page one halfway down page six, put it 
there, nail the top and bottom, and be able to insert text and have the 
leading autoset to keep the text where it ought to be. is this possible? 
also, is it ethical (or necessary for that matter) from a printing 
standpoint to screw with the point size of few paragraphs of a doccument 
so that the whole thing will fit in a certian place?

thanks.

kc
From: i6finn@aud2.aud.auc.dk
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Problem with SHOWLABELS.STY (labels in margin)
Date: 13 Aug 92 14:53:41 GMT
Organization: Aalborg University Center, Denmark

When writing documents I always use SHOWLABELS.STY from
FILESERV@SHSU.BITNET. However, it prints the labels in
the text which means that they influence the formatting.

 It is possible to show the labels so that the text will
 appear the same with and without SHOWLABELS.STY ?
 This would make the final editing a lot easier.

 I tried to put the labels in the margin, but I could not
 get \marginpar to work inside equations !

Any suggestions ?

(Note: I use PC/EmTeX.)

Please E-mail, since News-feed here is bad and approx. 8
days delayed !   E-mail: i6finn@aud2.aud.auc.dk


Thanks in advance ....

Finn Jensen
Department of Building Technology and Structural Engineering
Sohngaardsholmsvej 57
University of Aalborg
DK-9000 Aalborg
Denmark, Europe


% Save file as: SHOWLABELS.STY         Source: FILESERV@SHSU.BITNET
% showlabels.sty
% gil@svax.cs.cornell.edu (Gil Neiger)
%
% Change \label, \ref, and \pageref to show labels in line
%

\def\ref#1{\@ifundefined{r@#1}{\mbox{\tt#1?}\@warning
   {Reference `#1' on page \thepage \space
    undefined}}{\edef\@tempa{\@nameuse{r@#1}}\expandafter
    \@car\@tempa \@nil\null}}

\def\pageref#1{\@ifundefined{r@#1}{\mbox{\tt#1?}\@warning
   {Reference `#1' on page \thepage \space
    undefined}}{\edef\@tempa{\@nameuse{r@#1}}\expandafter
    \@cdr\@tempa\@nil\null}}

---> I would like to put this one in the margin:
\def\label#1{\@bsphack\if@filesw {\let\thepage\relax
 \xdef\@gtempa{\write\@auxout{\string
  \newlabel{#1}{{\@currentlabel}{\thepage}}}}}\@gtempa
 \if@nobreak \ifvmode\nobreak\fi\fi\fi\@esphack
 \mbox{\tt[#1]}  }

\def\@citex[#1]#2{\if@filesw\immediate\write\@auxout{\string\citation{#2}}\fi
  \def\@citea{}\@cite{\@for\@citeb:=#2\do
    {\@citea\def\@citea{,}\@ifundefined
       {b@\@citeb}{\mbox{\tt\@citeb?}\@warning
       {Citation `\@citeb' on page \thepage \space undefined}}%
\hbox{\csname b@\@citeb\endcsname}}}{#1}}
From: jim@n5ial.chi.il.us (Jim Graham)
Newsgroups: comp.text.tex
Subject: Can pc users benefit from DosTex? -> No 
Distribution: world
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 12:31:51 GMT
Organization: Me? Organized? Hah! :-)

In article <1992Aug6.203536.17392@maths.tcd.ie> tim@maths.tcd.ie writes:

> With apologies to TeXperts ...
                    ^^^^^^^^

I'm curious, what word is the above actually based on?  I mean, I can
see how TeXnician is based on technician, TeXnical vs technical, and
so on (and on, and on.....), but I've never heard of a word pronounced
as techperts.

or do people who type this simply mis-spell TeXnician?
   --jim

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From: tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Subject: Re: Metafont
Keywords: Metafont TeX LaTeX
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:42:37 GMT

ram@lynx.imagen.com (m.v.s. ramanath) writes:

>I just installed the TeX/Metafont distribution from byron.u.washington.edu on an
>SS2 running SunOS 4.1.2, but when I tried to tex the GNU Emacs manual it
>complained about not finding cmr10 at magstephalf. Does anyone have a shell
>script that builds all magnifications of the "standard" TeX and LaTeX fonts
>including the pk300w for screen preview ?

Was it tex that objected,
or the TeX printer driver (eg dvips) what you were using?
tex would not care about the magnification --
it would just look for cmr10.tfm .
If it didn't find this, it would be because
TEXINPUTS was wrongly defined is site.h .

If the problem arose with the output driver,
I would suggest that you consider using dvips 
(assuming you have a PostScript printer)
as this will do the Metafont for you,
using the shell script MakeTeXPK .
This shell script is itself a good MF teaching aid, IMHO.

Incidentally, I'm not sure that washington has the latest versions
(eg TeX3.141).
When I looked a few months ago,
I found later versions at ftp.cs.umb.edu
(pub/tex/{web,web2c}.tar.Z).


-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-1-2842366
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland