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From: harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Organization: BioMerieux-Vitek, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:31:35 GMT

In article <aggie-060193080045@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>
aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
> Beautiful double serving of crow in a classy manner. Will you be
> serving that with tea?

Well certainly!  Everything goes great with iced tea, don't ya' know?
The fresh-brewed kind, of course.  None of that instant stuff!

Now as far as crow is concerned, we know crows are in roughly the same
orbit as chickens, and are about the same distance from the sun as
chickens, which is important, and we've seen pictures where there are
canals, and where there are canals there must be water, and ...

Ooops!  For a minute there, I thought I was in alt.fan.dan-quayle rather
than our beloved r.s.f.c.  *blush*

Anyway, my point was that crow is a type of fowl, much like chicken is a
type of fowl, and every good Southern boy knows that barbequed chicken
should be served with white sauce.  Now I recommend the recipe used by
Greenbriar BBQ in Greenbriar Alabama (between Decatur and Huntsville).
If you can't make it down to Alabama, try mixin' up some vinegar,
mayonaise, and black pepper.  I don't know the proportions, so just make
an educated guess.  Try to err on the side of too much pepper.  Or you
could ask some of them folks with ".ingr.com" in their address to send
ya' a bottle or two.  I'm sure they'd be only happy to oblige.

As usual, insert as necessary: :-) :-) 8-)
                                       ^^^ for a.f.d-q fans,  Don't ya'
                                           just luv' that deer in the
                                           headlights stare?  Speaking
                                           of deer, the best sauce for
                                           barbequed venison ... :-)

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From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: We can take it (was Re: Pl explain the Bama penalty in Sugar Bowl)
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 17:30:27 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.200338.19418@infonode.ingr.com> Tony Bowman,
tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com writes:
>	I agree except that it is a penalty.  He spun the ball, they
>	threw the flag.  BUT, Miami's guy that ran in their ONLY touch-
>	down did the same thing and wasn't flagged.  But then again,
>	it wouldn't have mattered would it Gino?

	I'm not sure if the rule is written or not, but it is generally accepted
that if the clock is dead (ie after a TD) spiking is allowed as long as
it is not rehearsed or planned (like a dance or something).



	BTW I can understand all the woofing and 'Cane bashing that has been
going on 'cause we 'Canes sure do dish it out.  For anyone who doesn't
understand why look at Miami's record over the last 10 years.  This loss
is the toughest for us since Vinny choked, but we can take it.  I had the
wonderful pleasure of being in Indiana for New Years and the Notre Dame
bandwagoneers were glad to serve me up some nice crow dinners.  I took it
like a man because I understand that y'all haven't had the chance to bash
back (for a legitimate reason) for two years.  So enjoy it until the
fall, I will be glad to hear from everyone in another two years...

Oh Yeah, can you say HEISMAN boys and girls?  Cry all you want, we got
it!!  :p  :)

FRANK
__________________________________________
Go 'Canes & Cowboys
frank@wanda.princeton.edu
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From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Date: 7 Jan 93 21:22:28 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

>Now, was that a woof?  Isn't this just the kind of thing all you classy fans
>from that Most Classy Institution find so repulsive from us barbaric trash-
>talking thugs from Miami?  Nah, it couldn't be. 
>
>tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez)

no, it's not a woof, because they won.

 >And by the way, the amount of crap comming from Bama fans this year seems
 >to be much more than the combined woofing from Miami and Washington fans
 >last year.  

maybe 'cuz you ASKED for it.  also, since you seem to be so serious about it,
why not offer some statistics with your accusations?

 >And just about every message seems to be accusing the Canes for
 >being obnoxious.

[ring] [ring] it's the CLUE PHONE for you, tony!

it's possible that some of the net.canes really *are* obnoxious, you know.
the players certainly are :-)

ok
dpm
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From: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: Re: Trying to discredit Alabama
Reply-To: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com  
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:14:49 GMT

In article <1ialnvINNfrs@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu>, ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:
|> The University of Alabama football team won the national championship.  They
|> played great football and showed class throughout the game.  Unfortunately,
|> there seems to be a conspiracy on this net.  >>Some<< posters are attempting to
|> portray Alabama fans as being sore winners.  Some posts are getting ridiculous.
|> 
|> I am one of the few who will admit that I was rooting for Miami.  However,
|> along with everyone else, I praise Alabama for being a great team.  The
|> football team earned everyone's respect.  Unfortunately, that respect is
|> decreasing the more I read this newsgoup.
|> -- 
|> Timothy Tsai              Celtics Rule!!!
|> ttsai@uiuc.edu            Let's go Mets!!!
	chill dude !!!!!!
   Give us alittle room ok? Its been a long time coming !!  NONE of this
   would have been done if it weren't for the blowhards all season.  Just
   spoonin' humble pie.  Normally, the net would have gotten a very modest
   (although deeply heartfelt) ROLL TIDE !!!  BUT, the media, fans (net fans
   in particular) and of course the player have run off at the mouth all
   year. Now it has been "smashed".  Just don't try to take anything away
   from BAMA and you won't have any problems from us.  As they say ...
	If you can't take it, don't dish it out !!!!!!

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Chris Brandt)
Subject: ND not worthy
Keywords: 28 - 3
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:12:51 GMT

Gee, I thought Notre Dame was not a worthy opponent
of Texas A&M; but what was I thinking?  I would think
if Notre Dame was not worthy then at least Texas A&M
would beat the Irish, or at least score a touchdown.

Then to top it all of and make my New Year's Day the
best since January 1, 1989; Miami got beat by
Alabama!!

But I guess all you experts in rec.sport.football.college
are so much more knowledgeable than me.

Chris Brandt
brandtch@sage.cc.purdue.edu
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From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: All Hail The TIDE !!!
Date: 4 Jan 93 21:04:13 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) wrote:
}
}Yeah, I can. Take away two of Gino's errors (the two INT's in the 3rd
}quarter), and it becomes *anyones* ball game.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !

Stop it - you're killing me!

How about this - take away only *one* interception against Penn State
and the overrated Blowhards wouldn't have even been playing in the
Sugar Bowl for the championship. 

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu

   "Eenie weenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak."
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From: jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher)
Subject: Re: Cooper Wuss! Smith! Ohio St
Organization: AT&T
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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:37:43 GMT

From cbnewse!att!linac!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!uwvax!zazen!doug.cae.wisc.edu!luther.che.wisc.edu!saunders Wed Jan  6 16:36:48 EST 1993
Article: 31619 of rec.sport.football.college
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Cooper Wuss! Smith! Ohio St
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:06:43 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

In article <1993Jan6.153818.5151@cbnewse.cb.att.com> jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
>
>But at least Ohio State had more National Merit Scholars this
>year than any other Big 10 school. [but it's too weak academically for
>football players who want an education (:^) ]

Gee, might that have anything to do with the fact that it's the LARGEST
school in the Big 10?
-- 

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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Florida IS the College Football State!
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 21:06:53 GMT

In article <ron_frank.lds.loral.com-080193122700@sps156.lds.loral.com>,
ron_frank.lds.loral.com (Ron Frank) wrote:

> The fact that Texas and California export more high school football players
> than Florida proves that there are a lot of good high school players in
> those states,  but not college players!!  Look at the win/loss percentage
> of Texas and California colleges versus Florida colleges.  How did the Pac
> Ten and the SWC do in their respective bowls this year?  It may shed some
> light!

The Pac Ten got roasted, 2-4? SWC was 1-1, and the Florida schools are 2-1.
2-2 if you want to include FAMU - they went to the Heritage Bowl against
Grambling.

Hmmm...2-2=.500, and 1-1=.500. Not much difference between Florida and
Texas in the bowls this year.

And other than the Galen Hall days at UF, the Floridians haven't been
plagued with NCAA sanctions.

James
From: holliday@cse.unl.edu (david holliday)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: bowls, etc
Date: 6 Jan 1993 19:26:33 GMT
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owen@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:

>The MNC was actually won for Miami in August, when Sports Illustrated ran
>a long cover story on Nebraska in their College Football Preview issue,
>going so far as to say that Nebraska was the best college football team
>to ever put on cleats, and probably as good as several NFL teams.  Most

The Sports Illustrated jinx struck again. I remember that Time Magazine
even ran a story about the Nebraska team after we ended the regular season
undefeated. They had a small picture of Turner Gill on a corner of the
cover. I think the title of the article was something like: Unbeaten and
Unbelievable.

>other writers toed the party line after that, and these assumptions went
>unchallenged through most of the season, given that Nebraska managed to
>go into the bowls undefeated.  This was accomplished with perhaps the
>softest schedule in the history of college football.  The only decent

I'll be the first to admit that Nebraska doesn't schedule the toughest
non-conference opponents. As for the conference opponents, it's hard to
choose them. A team is stuck with the same seven (in our case) opponents
every year. Back in those days, the Big Eight didn't have near the parity
that is has now. I believe our offense got the nickname "Scoring Explosion"
against _Colorado_ (48 points in the third quarter). We pretty much destroyed
all other conference opponents, with the exception of Oklahoma (which is
always a tough game, no matter what their record is).

I also remember that our defense sucked. I believe that if we had had an okay
defense, Miami wouldn't have beaten us.

However, I believe you are forgetting who we played in our first game. It was
Penn State in the first Kickoff Classic. We beat, nay, we destroyed them
44 to 6. Penn State was the defending MNC too. I don't know what they were
ranked, but I'd have to guess top five. (I know, it wasn't the same Penn
State team that won the MNC. They lost a lot of seniors, etc., but it was
still a big win).

>It was, however, a great ball game, and the hype surrounding it
>(NBC promoted it for weeks as being for the MNC, even though there
>were 3 teams between Miami and Nebraska in the polls) convinced the
>voters that Miami deserved it.

It was one of the best bowl games, maybe one of the best games, I've ever seen.
Remember the fumbleroosky the score our first touchdown, coming back from
14 point deficits twice (a rarity for Nebraska), Mike Rozier's injury in
the third quarter, Bernie Kosar picking apart our defense for about 300
yards passing, Jeff Smith's touchdown run on 4th and a whole bunch of
yards, and the 2 point play :-(

Dave
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From: yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee)
Subject: Re: Hail Stanford!--best record in the PAC10
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:13:13 GMT

In <C0I9v6.AK3@trc.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:

>In article <1icvl4INNmit@shelley.u.washington.edu> wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat) writes:
>>>As disappointed as I was with the PAC-10's performance--hey, here's to the
>>>best team in the PAC-10:  Stanford with a final record of 10-3.  This is
>>>our first 10 win season since 1940, so I think I'll relish it.
>>>
>>>I could go on to make outrageous predictions for next year, but who wants to
>>>be mistaken for a Miami fan?
>>I liked Stanford from the beginning.  They've got that PRO look and a great
>>coach to boot.  They did damn well this year with a team that wasn't built
>>by walsh.  I will go ahead and look like a miami fan ( I think they are REAL
>>fan's cause they were really into it ) and say that Stanford could go all the
>>way next year.  I give em a 1 in 6 (roll of the die) shot.  I think they've
>>got a real advantage with walsh at the helm.  Pac ten co-champions and as 
>>good as any pac ten team I think.
>>wessir

>Is this the same Stanford team that will be without 15+ of its starters
>next year?  (or are they not losing that many starters?)

>7-4


>cmuck
Stanford will lose 13 starters:

RB Glyn Milburn
WR David Calomese
WR Mike Cook
TE Ryan Wetnight
FB JJ Lasley
OL Chris Dalman

P Paul Stonehouse

CB Darrien Gordon
FS John Lynch
 (oops, he's SS)
FS Seyon Albert (the last guy to wear #16)
OLB Ron George
OLB Dave Garnet
DE Estevan Avila

The biggest hits are at OLB. The loss of Milburn would be a big one too,
were it not for the great recruiting class at RB.  David Shaw was pretty close
to Cook & Calomese in the competition, and we have an oral commitment from a
tall, fast jr. college wide receiver, according to published reports.

Backups have had a lot of playing time in the secondary, and jr. Vaughn Bryant
will probably make a big impact at CB next year.  He's had a share of INTs
this
year.

As long as Stanford can recover from the loss of the G-men, they'll do all r
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From: aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: Suggestion to the NCAA
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: An Ol Ag surrounded by a bunch of unfriendly Seminoles
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 17:19:03 GMT

In article <79213@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
wrote:
> 
> aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) wrote:
> }
> }These are big boys, not children. They're old enough to think and 
> }decide things for themselves. They don't deserve such a saftey
> }net - the rest of the student body doesn't get anything remotely
> }like it!
> 
> Are you nuts?  When I was at school on an academic scholarship, I could
> go anywhere and talk to anyone about a job with *no chance* of losing
> my scholarship "eligibility".  The rest of the student body gets 

I'd forgotten that. Easy to do when one is paying the freight out of
pocket. I retract the above. 

Still, I don't much like the idea, as it edges the CFA one step closer
to being the farm system for the NFL.

How about *no* sports scholarships at all? These are *supposed* to be
institutions of higher education, right?

James
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From: kitchel@manta.dpsi.com (Sidney W. Kitchel)
Subject: Re: Cooper - Ohio St - Chris Stassen
Organization: Data Parallel Systems, Inc
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:41:06 GMT

jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
>From: johndoe@samadams.inmet (johndoe)
>Subject: Re: Cooper - Ohio St - Chris Stassen

>>In article <1993Jan7.234317.9845@alc.com> stassen@alc.com (Chris Stassen) writes:
>   >>James Fehrenbacher has apparently decided to take our little feud public.
>   >> etc.
>   >>James is mad because I forwarded his "Cooper is a pussy" comments on to
>   >>John Cooper.  James posted the message -- meaning that he intentionally

>   >>I passed this advice on to Mr. Fehrenbacher, and his response was to cry
>   >>go in my years here.  The issue is not "censorship," but rather James'

>Wrong - the issue is exactly censorship. Since this exchange, Chrissy sent 
...

>>i wholeheartedly agree with mr. stassen.  it is certainly possible (though i
>>don't know how likely) that john cooper or friends or relatives had already
>>seen the posting before chris stassen forwarded the posting.  when using
>>most usenet newsreaders, there are usually one or more questions to the
>>effect of 'usenet is a big thing that costs lots of money, and your posting
>>will possibly be seen by many; are you sure you want to do this?'  mr.
>>fehrenbacher apparently said yes to this, and now is crying foul, even
>>though he has nothing to complain about.

>You don't get it!
>John Cooper and his relatives are certainly welcome to read any comments I

	Excuse me, why would they or we want to??? Chris is a well
known contributor here. He's been around for several years. A lot of
us enjoy making our attempts in his college football pool. I'm afraid, Mr.
Fehrenbacher, that you will have to try harder to turn us against Chris
than you've done so far.
	The TOSU administration has spoken on John Cooper. I'd say 90
to 95% of the division IA schools would have been quite pleased to
trade records with TOSU this year.
	If you have something valuable to say that is sentient, go
ahead and say it. If you say outrageous things, fine, but realize that
such action will not go unchallenged.

						soONEr born!!!,
						(have a nice day! and
						 grow up sometime!!)
							    --Sid
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: Re: Pl explain the Bama penalty in Sugar Bowl
Reply-To: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com  
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:03:38 GMT

In article <s5ugxk.726172659@sun330>, s5ugxk@almserv.uucp (Girish Kumtheker) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> 
|> Can somebody explain the penalty given to bama,
|> resulting in a loss of 15 yards ( not that it mattered !).
|> 
|> I thought there should have off setting penalties, if ANY !
|> I mean 15 yards for twirling the football after touchdown ?
|> You would call that celebration ?? Give me a break !
|> 
	I agree except that it is a penalty.  He spun the ball, they
	threw the flag.  BUT, Miami's guy that ran in their ONLY touch-
	down did the same thing and wasn't flagged.  But then again,
	it wouldn't have mattered would it Gino?
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From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Ohio St (national merit scholars) Wussconsin
Date: 6 Jan 1993 22:27:51 GMT
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In article <1993Jan6.215635.18411@cbnewse.cb.att.com> jimf@cbnewse.cb.att.com (james.r.fehrenbacher) writes:
>Well gee, it might, cheesehead, but the UW Madison-campus-for-alcoholism-
>training and Minnesota and Michigan and Michigan St and Purdue aren't exactly
>small.  And Minnesota was actually bigger than OSU last time I counted. As
>you might have guessed, teeny Northwestern was next in merit scholars. I 
>don't really think the number of students has much to do with it, but then 
>I don't spend quite as much time pounding brewskis as the average UW student.
>No other Big 10 education factory was even in the top 20 nationally. (OSU was
>13th.) Too bad Ohio State's football program isn't as good as its academic
>program.
>
   I would love to see the stats to back that up. I can't imagine Ohio State
   being ranked above either Northwestern or Wisconsin when it comes to
   academics. Of course I could be wrong, I haven't researched academic
   standings lately. :)  As for pounding brewskis, what's wrong with that?
   They're cheaper than Boilermakers!

   --salty

   p.s.--obligatory woof--Maybe in a couple years when Wisconsin is a
   national college football power, your Buckeyes will be able to pull off
   a couple of upsets over the Badgers like we've done to you over the past
   decade or so!



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From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Turning pro?
Organization: American Software Development Corp., W. Babylon, NY
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 02:17:40 GMT

As a loyal Dawg fan, and alumnus, does anyone know what Garrison Herst's
plans are for next year?  Will he make a "run" for the Heisman or will
he try to grab big bucks in the NFL?
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