HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bacouche@imag.fr (Leila Baccouche)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: reply to Zero and arabs
Date: 13 Apr 92 07:45:58 GMT
Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France

< Hi netters, please excuse my bad english >

Mr Mustata,

When i read your message, i immediatly looked for whom wrote it. Really, i was
expecting everything but not an arab to write such a shame and post it to the
news. Especially that you're this way insulting not only all arabs but also
yourself.
However, i agree with you but only a priori. Don't do like who say "waylon lil
moussalin" and stop there. Arabs are weak BUT also dependent economically,
politically .... We can discuss it till tomorrow but it's not of my interest
now and i won't discuss of such a serious problem with one who has ZERO brain. 
What i want to say is that i apply the proverb :
"onsor akhaka dhaliman aou madhlouman " so that, should have never been posted
to the news.

					leila Baccouche
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.jewish
From: boaz@concerto.lcs.mit.edu (Boaz Ben-Zvi)
Subject: Re: JOKE OF THE COUSINS
Reply-To: boaz@lcs.mit.edu
Organization: Laboratory for Computer Science, MIT
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:08:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.030654.2408992@locus.com>, jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
|>     Two Jews are sitting in the window and middle seats on a plane.
|> The Jews ask the Arab sitting in the aisle seat to ...

This is an adaptation of the old story about the Chinese cook, who worked
on a ship and was the target of practical jokes by the crew, till one day
(after few drinks) the crew decided: No more. "Thanks", said the grateful
cook, "and I will no longer pee in your soup".

 Yet another "adopt as you like" joke. So a Hottentot and a Bushman were
riding on a bicycle .....

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From: pnmideast@igc.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: ADC CHALLENGES WALL ST JOURNAL
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:31:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471800161:000:2882
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!pnmideast    Apr 13 12:31:00 1992


From: <pnmideast>
Subject: ADC CHALLENGES WALL ST JOURNAL

/* Written 10:15 am  Apr 13, 1992 by adcnatl in cdp:mideast.forum */
/* ---------- "ADC CHALLENGES WALL ST JOURNAL" ---------- */

For Immediate Release	Contact:	Leila Gorchev
April 10, 1992		(202) 244-2990 or
                                                   (202) 986-1816

            ADC PROTESTS WALL STREET JOURNAL ARTICLE:

         UNIDENTIFIED DEMOCRATS TARGET ARAB-AMERICANS AS

                        POLITICAL OUTCASTS

     The April 10, 1992 Wall Street Journal article on
Congresswoman Mary Rose Oakar (D-OH) provoked significant
indignation from the Arab-American community. Albert Mokhiber,
President of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC)
fired off a letter to the Editor of one of the nation's most
influential newspapers.

     In a by-line story, Jill Abramson reported claims that Rep.
Oakar's views "on some key issues are at odds with some national
party leaders: she is a foe of abortion for instance, and has ties
to several Arab-American organizations."

     Mokhiber expressed the community's disgust on Abramson's
dependence on unidentified sources to denigrate Americans of Arab
descent.

     Mokhiber wrote, "After twelve years of fighting negative
stereotyping and discrimination against the Arab-American
community, we were shocked and appalled by the article written by
Jill Abramson on Congresswoman Mary Rose Oakar. Surely, the Wall
Street Journal would refuse to print such a statement reviling any
other public figure on the basis of his or her ethnic heritage.

     "This double standard must stop. Certainly, had the ethnic
group been of African, Hispanic or Israeli descent such innuendoes
would have been viewed, and rightfully so, as racist. There should
be no exception in this case.

     "Arab-Americans like all other Americans are, and should be
proud of their ancestry, culture and institutions. They should not
be blocked from full participation and political enfranchisement
either by overt actions or clandestine means."

     Mokhiber also called for the identities of the alleged
"national party leaders" of the Democratic National Committee
(DNC) to be exposed if Abramson is accurate. He further demanded
apologies from the Wall Street Journal to Congresswoman Oakar and
the Arab-American community. ADC believes this to be another
example of bigoted standards being employed against the Arab-
American community.

                               -30-

     (Note to Editors: ADC is the largest Arab-American
organization in the country. It is a non-sectarian, non-partisan
service organization dedicated to the promotion of the civil and
legal rights of people of Arab descent, including resistance to
racism, discrimination, and stereotyping of Arab-Americans. ADC
has over 25,000 members organized into 70 chapters throughout
North America.)
From: aldabbag@sal-sun105.usc.edu (Maad Al-Dabbagh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arafat lost?!
Date: 9 Apr 1992 14:56:34 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: aldabbag@sal-sun105.usc.edu (Maad Al-Dabbagh)
NNTP-Posting-Host: sal-sun105.usc.edu


In article <1471800159@igc.org>, pnmideast@igc.org writes:
|> 
|> Arafat, the latest reports have revealed, has been found by
|> U.S. satellite tracking technology.  Though others on the plane 
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
CNN reported yesterday , April 8, 23:00 PT, in thier world wide news update,
that arafat was found before any decision was made in washington to toward
the efforts of finding him.

|> died, it appears that he has survived with only superficial
|> injuries.
|> 
|> Joel GAzis-SAx
|> PeaceNet
|> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi)
Subject: Re: reply to Zero and arabs
Organization: Enrico Fermi Institute, University of Chicago.
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:34:24 GMT

In article <33374@imag.imag.fr> bacouche@imag.fr (Leila Baccouche) writes:


>  < Hi netters, please excuse my bad english >
>
>Mr Mustata,
>
>When i read your message, i immediatly looked for whom wrote it. Really, i was
>expecting everything but not an arab to write such a shame and post it to the
>news. Especially that you're this way insulting not only all arabs but also
>yourself.
>However, i agree with you but only a priori. Don't do like who say "waylon lil
>moussalin" and stop there. Arabs are weak BUT also dependent economically,
>politically .... We can discuss it till tomorrow but it's not of my interest
>now and i won't discuss of such a serious problem with one who has ZERO brain
>What i want to say is that i apply the proverb :
>"onsor akhaka dhaliman aou madhlouman " so that, should have never been posted
>to the news.
>					leila Baccouche




I have noticed that many people took offense at Mustafa's post. 

Will you let me, an outsider, suggest that you all forgive what was,
after all, nothing except an attempted joke?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: About the explosion
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:55:26 GMT

In article <31336@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (Ron Evans) writes:
>> bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi) writes:
>
>>I guess you believe that the appropriate response from the Lebanese
>>people to the Israeli invasion of their country is to say:  "Thank
>>you very much.  Please occupy our country and murder us.  You  are
>>most welcome to stay here as long as you want.  "
>
>	Of course not.  I only expect the Lebanese to say that
>	to the Syrian occupiers.

With all due respect to you, I think this is a very typical way
in which you change the subject abruptly to confuse and diffuse
the issue.   I don't recall anybody talking about Syria's 
involvement in Lebanon.  I don't recall saying anything which
supported or opposed Syria's presence there.  How in the world
did this get into the argument?  What bearing does this have on
the argument over Israel?

>Ron Evans

Behnam Sadeghi
From: pnmideast@igc.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Date: 08 Apr 92 11:03 PDT
Subject: Re: Arafat lost?!
Nf-ID: #R:1992Apr8.095822.28824@helios.phy:-1992724630:cdp:1471800159:000:220
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!pnmideast    Apr  8 11:03:00 1992


Arafat, the latest reports have revealed, has been found by
U.S. satellite tracking technology.  Though others on the plane 
died, it appears that he has survived with only superficial
injuries.

Joel GAzis-SAx
PeaceNet
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Zero and India not Arabs.
From: vkuttikattu@vax1.umkc.edu
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:50:20 CST
Organization: University of Missouri-Kansas City

In article <1992Apr07.073012.30344@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
> Sender: Muslim
> Followup-To: none
> Distribution: usa
> Organization: Colorado School of Mines
> Keywords: time is running out
> 
> 
> Dear Arab Brothers,
> 
>         Assalam Alaykum
> 
> 
> 	I want to draw your attention to an interesting point.
> 
> 
> 		" Zero was introduced by the Arabs. Now 
> 		 the Arabs are Zero themselves".
> 
> 
> 	Any comment to this statement would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> 	Thanks.
> 
> 
>  				Your brother in islam
> 				ibrahim mustata	
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FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION THE CONCEPT OF zero WAS CONCIEVED BY THE 
ANCIENT INDIAN MATHEMATICIAN Aryabhatta AND NOT BY THE Arabs.
                                              Kunnath Paulose
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From: cc433336@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Constantinos A. Caroutas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Turkish & Turkic (was Re: Macedonia (definition of name))
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:57:45 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.turkish
Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College

Followups to this will be directed to soc.culture.turkish only.

In article <1992Apr6.164228.10708@cns.umist.ac.uk>, ko@cns.umist.ac.uk
(Kutluk Ozguven) writes:
>PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>         of course as late as the Turks from Central Asia,  but far after
>
>I will say that, contrary to what you think, there had been many
>waves of migration of Turks before that "late" Ottoman presence,
>and these go well back to the age of Roman Empire.
>
>First the Huns. There are ideas that they can be a non-Turkic

Lots of info about Turkic peoples deleted.

Does Kutluk Ozguven know the difference between Turkish and Turkic.
I could post similar information about the Indoeuropeans, but so what?

Constantinos A. Caroutas
From: svilen@budapest.ks.uiuc.edu (Svilen Tzonev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: A small lexical exercise...
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:08:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr14.210801.23021
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Hi everybody,

	Inspired by Tanya's posting, I tried to figure out some /  
interesting / expressions in Bulgarian with the word DUSHA. Here is what I  
came up with:

	" in random order ", of course

-	dusha chovek
-	cherna dusha
-	dushevna atmosfera
-	hvashta te za dushata
-	dushata me boli
-	martvi dushi ....... not quite original
-	prodal si e dushata .... RE: see above
- 	da ni e iaka dusha

-	da si otpusna dushata


Well. that's it for 10 min thinking.

Enjoy the life, / dai neshto za dushata... /

Pozdravi, Svilen.
From: kent@Xerox.com (Chris Kent Kantarjiev)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Just checking in...
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:28:49 GMT
Reply-To: kent@Xerox.com (Chris Kent Kantarjiev)
Organization: Xerox PARC

Hi, I thought I'd introduce myself to the group. I'm a first generation Bulgarian-German-American -- my father was Bozhidar Kantarjiev when he came to the US in 1951, changed his name to Theodore Kent soon after, and I recently changed my last name back to Kantarjiev. My mother is German; they met in Munich after WWII.

I'm also interested in materials for learning Bulgarian. I know I spoke it at home as a child, but have forgotten nearly everything. I can pick apart Cyrillic text, but only very slowly; I have a "basic text" that's all Bulgarian, all Cyrillic, and a few pictures, which is difficult enough for me to work with that I don't! Other suggestions and sources would be most welcome.

-- 
Chris Kent Kantarjiev, Xerox PARC, Palo Alto, CA   <Kantarjiev@parc.xerox.com>
 "Eating chile peppers is like gustatory skydiving. More than just food, 
  these little hot pods give eating the kind of thrills and excitement 
  usually associated with reckless gambling, fast cars and strong liquor."
From: dandloff@coral.bucknell.edu (DANDOLOFF, ROSSEN)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
Subject: Radio Sofia in bulg.
Date: 14 Apr 92 22:18:00 GMT

This are the frequencies and time (Eastern European) as given by Radio Sofia 
for its broadcasts in bulgarian: 4:00-5:00 (11720, 17825, 15350Khz);
6:00-7:00 (5915, 9700, 7170, 11735 Khz); 16:00-18:55 (11700, 11720, 11860Khz);
21:00-21:45 (6070Khz); 22:00-22:30 (15380, 11870 Khz).
The reception for North America(East Coast) is good e.g. on 11735 Khz at 11pm
EST.
Cheers,  Rossen 
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA, USA
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
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From: ab0kfc@gdt.bath.ac.uk (K F Chow)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.caribbean
Subject: BMS survey
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:37:31 GMT
Organization: School of Architecture, University of Bath, UK

If you are an undergradate of engineering you may like to
do a questionnaire through email, on the subject "Building
Management Systems". This questionnaire is being done by 
your counterparts at USA, CAN, & UK. Comparison will be 
made between you and them.

If you know nothing about BMS but you know some others may 
do, please pass on the message.

Come and Join the party !!

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K.F CHOW                      email : ab0kfc@uk.ac.bath.sl1
School of Architecture &              ab0kfc@uk.ac.bath.gdt
Building Engineering,
Bath University, UK
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: dim2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Alexander Dimitrov)
Subject: Re: the article in Demokratsia
Reply-To: dim2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:20:58 GMT

In article <1373@hydra.bucknell.edu> dandloff@coral.bucknell.edu (DANDOLOFF, ROSSEN) writes:
>I think the author is right in his analysis....On the other hand: the sooner
>this kind of lamentation stops the better - we all should remember our saying:
>help yourself first and then God will help you. E.g. South Corea and Taiwan
>were able to pull themselves out of the misery (on their own). In my oppinion
>BG should try to keep good relations with the US, Canada, Japan.... - W.Europe

??? Do you think US does? Strange I did not feel that

>doesn't care about the Balkans (as it was always the case - but the world is
>bigger than only W.Europe). In order to be able to pull herself from the

>Cheers,  Rossen 
Alex


-- 
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Alexander Dimitrov		a-dimitrov@uchicago.edu
tel.(312) 667-1611	   or   dim2@midway.uchicago.edu (Internet)
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From: buis@buengc.bu.edu (Lou Buis)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek
Subject: MACEDONIAN POLIGLOTS
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:10:47 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.bulgaria
Organization: College of Engineering, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: buis@buengc.bu.edu

"Nova Makedonija", March 1, 1992, Page 3

  Macedono-Bulgarian meeting of the Ministers of Transportation

		GAS TRANSFER THROUGH BULGARIA 

Possibilities for transportation of gas via the Bulgarian railway and 
auto-transport * Activities for the realization of the transport pathway
East - West * Press-conference without an official translator


	Yesterday in Skopie, on the invitation of the Macedonian Minister of
Civil Engineering, Transport and Ecology Aleksandar Lepavtzov, arrived in a 
one-day visit the Bulgarian Minister of Transport Aleksandar Aleksandrov with
the collaborators.
	At the end of their talks, the two ministers met with the journalists,
and informed about the reached agreements and the future possibilities of 
collaboration in transport and traffic related meters, between Macedonia and 
Bulgaria. 
	Also, at the surprise of the present journalists, there was no an 
official translator, and so there may be possibilities for non precise
formulations in informing the public, during the interpretation of Minister
Aleksandrov's statement.

	[...]

	Also, from time to time, the journalists couldn't understand the member
of the Macedonian Parliament Aleksandar Lepavtzov, who talk to his colleague
 in Bulgarian.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

	Regards,

		Lou


P.S. There are rumors that an official translater will be present at the
      future talks between the presidents of Serbia and Macedonia, which
      was not the case in the past, since Mr. Gligorov is quite fluent 
      in Serbian (although with an accent). 
      The same sources reported that Mr. Gligorov is also fluent in Bulgarian
      (the accent was not mentioned).



Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria
From: horne-scott@CS.YALE.EDU (Scott Horne)
Subject: Re: Help for summer vacation in BG, please !
Organization: Computer "Science" Dept, Yale University
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 06:18:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.020253.23894@colorado.edu>, speer@pilsner.cs.colorado.edu (Rick Speer) writes:
<
<The following is all based on my experience in BG last summer. I
<found the hotels, in Sofia at least, to be very expensive.  You
<could hardly get a room for less than $60 US / night.

What about youth hostels?

<Two points about this- yes, it was expensive too, at least at the
<Hertz and Avis places I checked.

I know that one can reserve a rental car from abroad.  Try Hertz's or Avis's
toll-free number.

<I had a short interaction with the Lufthansa office in Sofia and
<found them to be very professional and helpful. In general though
<I think you are much better off buying your tickets, etc. in your
<home country. Unless you are pretty fluent in Bulgarski.

Can you save money if you're willing to try your hand (well, tongue :-)) at
_bylgarski_?

					--Scott

-- 
Scott Horne                               ...!{harvard,cmcl2,decvax}!yale!horne
horne@cs.Yale.edu      SnailMail:  Box 7196 Yale Station, New Haven, CT   06520
203 436-1848                Residence:  Rm 1848 Silliman College, New Haven, CT
ZANG4 HAN4 YI4 JIA1 / GONG4 JIAN4 ZHONG1HUA2!
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Saturday, 11 Apr 1992 14:34:08 EDT
From: <PXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Catholics-Orthodoxs:1-0 again

                       ***************************
                       *  This text was written  *
                       *  by Avdrovikos Romavos  *
                       ***************************

Here is what I found in the discussions about religions:.
1)  One more Orthodox Church may become Catholic this month.
2)  There is an Orthodox fellow looking for someone with similar spiri-
    tual interests.Is there anyone that would like to contact him?
3)  Here you can see a Catholic  (if I am not mistaken) approaching the
    Orthodox.

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From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Coptic Orthodox to become Coptic Catholic?
Date: 1 Apr 92 08:40:20 GMT
Organization: none

The Wanderer, a Catholic newspaper, just ran an interesting article on
the reunion of the Coptic Orthodox with Rome.  If I recall the details
in the article correctly, an agreement was reached last April that the
Christological dispute behind the schism was a misunderstanding.  I
believe that the head of the Coptic Orthodox has committed himself to
reunion with Rome.

I looked up a few details on the Copts.

The constant tradition of East and West is that the see of Alexandria
was founded by St. Mark.  Alexandria was the center of Catholic
intellectual life for a while in the early Church, and also witnessed
the first flowering of monastic communities in the Egyptian desert.
It was one of the most important of all the sees.  Up to the second
general council (381), Alexandria was second in rank only to Rome.

The Coptic Orthodox body was formed in 451, when the patriarch of
Alexandria, Dioscurus, successor of St. Cyril, adopted the Monophysite
heresy after the council of Chalcedon.  The Monophysite heresy was a
Christological error regarding the nature of Christ.

The head of the Coptic church has the title "pope".  This undoubtedly
comes from the early Church, when "pope" was not a title reserved to
the see of Rome.  The Copts have preserved the 7 sacraments, and this
undoubtedly helped efforts at a reunion quite a bit.

The Wanderer gave an address if you are interested in further
information:

        American Coptic Association
        Christians of Egypt
        P.O. Box 9119, G.L.S.
        Jersey City, NJ 07304

The Copts are currently undergoing some amount of persecution by the
Moslems in the area.  They have not been able to build any new
churches in decades, if I recall the article correctly.


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From: cookliwj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Looking for Orthodox
Date: 2 Apr 92 05:16:38 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

Looking for Orthodox

I am looking for an
Orthodox Christian discussion group, could anyone please help ?


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zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!jvnc.net!rutgers!igo
 r.rutgers.ed
 u!dartagnan.rutgers.edu!christian
From: tlc20700@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas L. Carney)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: Re: Looking for Orthodox
Date: 3 Apr 92 07:37:24 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

cookliwj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:


>I am looking for an
>Orthodox Christian discussion group, could anyone please help ?

So am I.  BTW, Fr. John Michael Botean is working to set up a BBS for
Eastern Catholics (Byzantines, Maronites, Coptics, Malabars, Malankarese,
etc.,). If anybody's interested, email me so I cna get the reference list
together.

Everyone have a wonderful Pascha.

Tom

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