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From: ST201643@brownvm.brown.edu (MDJ aka jack)
Subject: Re: A modest porposal
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 06:24:44 GMT

Amen! It is about time that someone said it - the list just isn't what it used
to be.  It seems that people are really reaching to find meanings that just
aren't there - or if they are, just don't matter. IMHO, FWWM wasn't as rich in
meaning and symbolism as the series. It's fun to throw around crazy ideas(I
really really like the one about Coop being the Dali Lama(sp)), but I think
the list would be so much richer if we do open discussion to all aspects of
DL's works. It seems that this is already done to a certain extent, so I would
not expect much resistance.

Twin Peaks will always live in our hearts and minds.

\/,
MDJ aka jack


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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Doc Hayward
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:29:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Oct5.171013.22012@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, pnorman@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Peter T. Norman) writes:
>>However, I'm not sure it's a valid assumption that Ben Horne is dead .... I
>>mean, getting your head bashed against a fireplace could definitely knock you
>>out, probably do some serious damage, but wouldn't necessarily kill you. 
>>(Unlike, say, being handcuffed to the door of a bank vault that gets blown to
>>smithereens....)
>>
>>Holly
> 
> Maddy is killed when Leland smashes her head against the wall; well, he
> HAS bashed her up pretty bad as well...

Agreed, but I would say that Leland possessed by BOB probably has a lot more
strength, especially in relation to Maddy, than a sort of frailish Doc H. does
in relation to Ben H.  It also seems that in Maddy's murder there was a lot
more bashing going on.

Holly
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: etxjlar@eua.ericsson.se (Jorgen Larsson)
Subject: Worried about Coop.
Reply-To: etxjlar@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 08:10:11 GMT


In the very final scene in TP, Coop is looking into the mirror seeing Bob. 
Previously in that last episode Laura said to Coop, in the red room, 
"see you in 25 (or something, I dont really remember ?) years". 
If we suppose this means that Coop is going to live for another 25 years, posessed 
by Bob, wouldn't that be presumtions for making another film or TV series?
He'd be able to do quite a lot of evil in that time. 
Does anyone out there know Lynch personally? 

Jrgen Larsson (etxjlar@eua.ericsson.se)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Doc Hayward
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:33:29 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Oct5.171013.22012@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>, pnorman@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Peter T. Norman) writes:  
> If there is one other person
> that gets killed by/thru getting his/her head bashed against something,
> then maybe we can talk of Ben being dead with a little more
> significance.  So, is there another who dies in this fashion, along with
> Maddy, that I am forgetting?
> 
> Peter
> "hopelessly fighting the devil futility..." R Smith 89
> 


Well, Teresa Banks dies not by getting her head bashed against something, but
by getting something bashed against her head!

Holly
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: dcoufal@athena.mit.edu (David E Coufal)
Subject: Re: That GAP commercial
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 15:51:54 GMT

In article <ukoga.717882489@mcl>, ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jeff "Koganuts" Koga) writes:
|> Is it just me, or does the model in the GAP commercial ("Sky fits heaven...")
|> look *a lot* like Madchen Amick?
|> 
|> 
|> 							--Jeff "Koganuts" Koga	

It is.  Both her and James Marshall (who played James Hurley) were/are
frequently used by The Gap in magazine advertisments.

-- 
"One time I removed all the                           David E. Coufal
 hair from a mouse with Nair-Hair                  BITNET:dcoufal@mitwccf
 just to see what it looked like.              INTERNET:dcoufal@athena.mit.edu
 And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch        dec@alumni.caltech.edu
From: moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Last Episode
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 01:56:09 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

A major finding has made me wonder if the Cooper "Hows Annie" scene was 
really real, or just a dream that Cooper has in which he never is shown 
waking up from. The only thing that I can say that would support this as 
just a dream is the fact that Doc Hayward was with Cooper when he wakes 
up, but then again, just the day before, didn't Doc Jacoby hit and maybe 
even kill Ben Horne. If he did, wouldn't Doc Hayward be in jail, or even 
athome thinking things thrgh? Hmmm. Coincidence? Maybe.

Note: I have reason to beleive that Agent Chester Desmond went into the 
Lodge on his own in search of Teresa. Love opened the door for him. He 
fell in love with Teresa the minute he laid eyes on that picture. That is 
all.

-Justice

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Phillip Jeffries
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 19:16:17 GMT
Distribution: alt.tv.twin peaks
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <001201c.7.718143902@ace.acadiau.ca>, 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD) writes:
> In article <1992Oct2.152755.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu

>>The only reason I can think of that would make people connect these 2
>>characters is that Jeffries was supposed to be living somewhere in South
>>America, and J.J. Wheeler had to leave Twin Peaks because his business
>>associate in South America was murdered and Wheeler had to go back and take
>>care of things.  Anyway, I think I'm remembering this right.  Draw your own
>>conclusions (I haven't drawn any).
>>
>>Holly
> 
> Well, you know, Jeffries' accent sounded more Southern US than South 
> American. Where did you hear he was from there? And why would J.J. Wheeler be
> working with an apprentice FBI agent? Jesus, I don't know... the mystery 
> continues.


Admittedly, I only saw the film twice, but I think I clearly remember some
discussion between Cooper and Cole about Jeffries having been in South America
(not being originally from there, of course).  I wasn't making an argument that
he and Wheeler had worked or would work together - merely pointing out that the
South American theme might be what caused whoever it was on the newsgroup that
connected these 2 characters to do so.

Holly
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: etxjlar@eua.ericsson.se (Jorgen Larsson)
Subject: Re: Little Things
Reply-To: etxjlar@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 06:53:05 GMT

In article 23521@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU, jes2x@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (John Sommerville) writes:
> In article <ab16b0a1@Kralizec.fido.zeta.org.au> neal.pritchard@f605.n712.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Neal Pritchard) writes:
> >Original to: Blojo@Xcf.Berkeley.Edu
> [stuff deleted]
> >BL>  * Why Donna burst into tears when sitting at a certain booth in the
> >BL>    Roadhouse.
> >Wouldn't have the foggiest, except that maybe that was their special
> >seat in the Roadhouse.
> 
> The way I see it, when the Log Lady said "The owls are in the Roadhouse," I
> took owls as referring to psychic sensitives, in this case, Donna and Bobby.
> I know there's no evidence to support any psychicness on their part, but
> while Maddy was being killed, and the Giant was saying "It is happening again."
> Donna started crying b/c she felt Maddy's death and Bobby was looking around
> like he knew something was up.  Senor Droolcup was also there, and I think he
> told Coop "I'm so sorry."  Obviously he knew what was happening.
> 
> Anyway, that's my theory.
> --
> John Sommerville (jes2x@Virginia.Edu)     "I'll see you in the trees..."


Of course he knew what was happening, in the final episode, in the red room, 
Coop is told by the Dwarf that the Giant and Senor Droolcup are 
"the one and the same". 
In that case the same "crature" in different shapes first tells Coop 
"It is happening again" and then "I'm so sorry". Makes sense, doesn't it?

Jrgen Larsson (etxjlar@eua.ericsson.se)
From: igo@hri.com (Frederick J. Igo)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: TP Laserdisc Japanese Soundtrack
Date: 6 Oct 92 17:09:54 GMT
Reply-To: igo@hri.com
Organization: Horizon Research, Inc.

In article <RJ85RB3w165w@cyberden.uucp>, moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us writes:
> The Japanese have a few stuff that I want.
> 
> 1.) A laserdisc of Twin Peaks soundtrack which includes scenes of the 
> real Twin Peaks filmed on location with Japanese subtitles on the bottom. 
> Price -$50 US. (Saw this one at a movie con)
> 
> 2.) A "Peaks Mania" EP CD which contains 5 more tracks than the US 
> soundtrack. -$35 US



Here are the Warner items I found in Japan.  Prices are what you would
pay in Japan, and do not include import to the US.  (Dollars are 
calculated using a rate of Y120=$1.)  Part numbers are for Japan, and 
may not match the US part numbers.  


Twin Peaks Original Soundtrack     (CD :WPCP-4035)  Y2400  ($20.00)
Twin Peaks Visual Soundtrack       (VHS:WPVP-9083)  Y4500  ($37.50)
Twin Peaks Visual Soundtrack       (LD :WPLP-9083)  Y4500  ($37.50)
Peaks Mania EP                     (CD :WPCP-4848)  Y2000  ($16.67)
Twin Peaks FWWM Soundtrack         (CD :WPCP-4919)  Y2400  ($20.00)
Twin Peaks Theme CD-Single (FWWM)  (CD :WPDP-6296)  Y 900  ($ 7.50)


I know that the TP Original Sountrack is available in the US on CD.  
Does anyone know if any others items listed above are available here?


I also read something while in Japan about On The Air being released 
on video, in Japan.  Probably all six episodes.  Can someone who is 
currently in Japan confirm this?  Manuel?


Thanks,
Fred

--
Frederick J. Igo                                            igo@hri.com
Horizon Research, Inc.                                   (617) 466-8300

"Nothing beats the taste sensation when maple syrup collides with ham."
  -- Dale Cooper, FBI Special Agent
From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: FTP and other TP questions
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:50:53 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <1992Oct3.154551.1@acad.drake.edu> jms015@acad.drake.edu writes:
>1)  What is the abbrieviation given to the Giant?  I understand LMFAP -
>Little Man From Another Place.

There ain't none.  He's simply listed in the credits as "Giant".  However,
his counterpart the 90-year-old room service waiter is sometimes called
"SDC", for Albert's immortal appellation "Senor Drool-Cup".

>2)  Who was the person who beat up Dr. Jacoby at the end of the first season?

According to Mark Frost, it was Leland possessed by BOB.  Hmm, a thought...
for all those wondering about the missing "E" in the spelled out R-O-B-E-R-T
letters... did anyone check under Jacoby's fingers?...

>3)  Is it confirmed that there will be no more TV episodes and/or movies?

We have conflicting reports on the possibility of a sequel.  Bob Engels
says yes, David Lynch says something inscrutable.  The movie made a profit
thanks to overseas release, so it's possible.  Kyle MacLachlan probably
won't want to be involved, though.

The TV series is dead as a doorknocker.

>4)  Is there an ftp site where I can obtain Twin Peaks GIF's or sounds?

Try audrey.sait.edu.au.

>5)  Why does James's voice sound so wierd when he is singing with Maddy
>and Donna?

Probably because James Marshall was hitting the upper end of his vocal
range.  Assuming that it was actually his voice, and not dubbed.
From: moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Chet Desmond & Teresa Banks
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 02:04:25 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

 fell in love. In the future. Chet went willing to search for her. 
Doesn't anyone have any opinion on that? Speak up.


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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD)
Subject: Re: Phillip Jeffries
Keywords: Jeff
Organization: Acadia University
Distribution: alt.tv.twin peaks
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 16:19:39 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.021819.10328@adobe.com> dtomack@adobe.com (Darin Tomack) writes:
>From: dtomack@adobe.com (Darin Tomack)
>Subject: Re: Phillip Jeffries
>Keywords: Jeff
>Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:18:19 GMT
>In article <001201c.3.717965941@ace.acadiau.ca> 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD) writes:
>[stuff deleted...]
>>
>>And didn't anybody notice that the controversial 'whooping noise' the old 
>>guy made in the final episode was also the sound 'the arm' made in FWWM, and 
>>the sound we heard in the trailer park when we see that telephone pole?
>
>Actually, it is played every time we see power poles, power lines, and
>electrical outlets.  I didn't notice it the first time, but it was VERY
>apparent to me on my second viewing that the must be some connection between
>at least the LMFAP if not the Lodges in general and electricity.
>
>Another thing that no one has mention is that at the end of Jefferies' scene
>in Philadelphia, I believe just as Cole is saying something like, "He's
>gone.", there is a snowy (as in tv. snow, not the wet stuff ;-)) shot of power
>lines.  Is this to imply that Jefferies left (was sucked out?) through the
>power system?  I believe this shot was accompanied by the "whooping" sound.
>Though I could be wrong. Bizzare.
>
>And now for something somewhat different... I noticed this in my second
>viewing.  In Laura's scene with Harold, I believe that just before
>she leaves (after the "Fire Walk With Me" segment)
>Laura mumbles something.  To me it sounded like: "The trees, the trees..."
>Anyone else hear this?  Was it something else?  Anyone have any idea why she
>would be preoccupied with trees at that point?
>
>darin

YES!!! There was a shot with static, then power lines... but did anybody 
notice that there is a scene when Laura gets screwed around by her father,
and she's walking out of the house. She looks up and then we see the exact 
same shot of the power lines. Could Jeffries be "watching"? Anybody notice 
this?
I, too, heard Laura say "the trees, the trees". Actually that reminds me of 
her funeral scene in the TV series, where we see the trees blowing. (Well, 
this image is also shown 100 other times.) (it's just a theory.)
Also, how in the world can there be a comparison with Jeffries and John 
Justice Wheeler...? I noticed someone mentioned this, but as far as I saw, he
was just a throwaway character to fill up space and get Audrey laid.
FINALLY... concerning cut footage from FWWM, I read in Spin magazine that 
there were scenes with Bobby and his father talking that were cut, and in
People magazine, it said Joan Chen had just finished shooting it. This was
a while back, probably before this stuff was cut.
From: moon!cyberden!justice@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: John Justice Wheeler/Phillip Jefferies
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 92 17:17:08 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

I beleive that I was the one who had mentioned the connection. I'm still 
I think that it has something to do with the fact that they both have 
something to do with South America...
Also, not one single soul has elaborated with my 


                       Chet Desmond /

                       Teresa Banks

"love connection". What? Am I just full of it, or is this a reasonable 
evaluation. Remember the stare into the picture. And, he never really 
said that he was in fact going back for the blue rose.

Also, does anyone know if there are any TP fan publications out there? Am 
very interested. If there aren't any major ones, then I'll start one.
-Justice

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From: v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Picket Fences (New TV Show)
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:50:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep28.083614.438@cho006.cho.ge.com>, campbell_d@cho006.cho.ge.com writes...
> 
>  This week's episode featured a number of serial crime victims which had one 
>HAND cut off.  They were called "one ARMED men."  What a stretch!  The crime
>was being investigated by the FBI, and of course the FBI was in conflict with
>the local police over jurisdiction. 
If anybody recalls, the serial victims in _My Life, My Tapes_ had
their teeth bashed in & their HANDS cut off...
                                      George...
From: ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu (Jeff "Koganuts" Koga)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: David Lynch tid-bit
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:25:57 GMT

Here's a little-known fact for you.  David Lynch has a nickname for his
entertainment lawyer, Tom Hansen, and it's "Winky".

BTW, thanks to everyone who responded about Madchen Amick actually being in
that GAP commercial ("Sky fits heaven...")


							--Jeff "Koganuts" Koga
--
Jeff "Koganuts" Koga ||"You're not the man I knew ten years ago."
AKA "Indiana" Koga   ||"It's not the years, honey.  It's the mileage."
ukoga@mcl.ucsb.edu   ||--Marion R. & "Indiana" Jones, "Raiders Of The Lost Ark"
Finger animage@ferkel.ucsb.edu for the latest Cal-Animage Gamma information...
From: cjc@kranac.com (Chris Clark)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: twin peaks videos
Keywords: videos
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:30:33 GMT
Reply-To: cjc@kranac.com
Distribution: ba
Organization: Kranac Computing Corp., Sunnyvale, CA, USA

My apologies if this is a FAQ ...

Anyone know of a video store/mail order house in the that has *all* of the Twin Peaks episodes for sale/rent? The local Blockbuster Video has only the first
seven episodes. I watched them all when I was home sick one day and now I can't
wait to see the rest!

Chris
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: jgp@raid.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann)
Subject: Re: Phillip Jeffries
Organization: Rational
Distribution: alt.tv.twin peaks
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 21:05:22 GMT

hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:

>In article <001201c.4.718042779@ace.acadiau.ca>, 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD) writes:

>(stuff deleted)

>> Also, how in the world can there be a comparison with Jeffries and John 
>> Justice Wheeler...? I noticed someone mentioned this, but as far as I saw, he
>> was just a throwaway character to fill up space and get Audrey laid.

>The only reason I can think of that would make people connect these 2
>characters is that Jeffries was supposed to be living somewhere in South
>America, and J.J. Wheeler had to leave Twin Peaks because his business
>associate in South America was murdered and Wheeler had to go back and take
>care of things.  Anyway, I think I'm remembering this right.  Draw your own
>conclusions (I haven't drawn any).

I think people are getting a little carried away with all of this 
speculation on a connection to J.J Wheeler.  Wheeler returned to
the rain forests of *Brazil* because his business partner died,
whereas Jeffries was in Buenos Aires (*Argentina*).

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: Arthur (was Glastonbury)
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 20:37:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.082335.7862@ac.dal.ca>, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca wrote:
> Whatever, Lynch really is into the Aurthurian thang... I wonder if Windom
> id Lancelot then... Authur's (coop's) closest ally who turns on him.
> Or maybe Coop is Lancelot to Windom's Aurthur, since he fell in love with 
> Caroline. I dunno... anyone else have an idea?
> 
> Mike

I bet on Coop as Lancelot to Windom's Aurthur since he committed adultery
with Caroline. WE is using Annie as a Caroline stand in.

-Rich
From: weiser@pogo.den.mmc.com (Matt Weiser)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Phillip Jeffries
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:10:35 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Martin Marietta WIS

In article <1992Oct2.021819.10328@adobe.com>, dtomack@adobe.com (Darin Tomack) writes:
> 
> In article <001201c.3.717965941@ace.acadiau.ca> 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD) writes:
> [stuff deleted...]
> >
> >And didn't anybody notice that the controversial 'whooping noise' the old 
> >guy made in the final episode was also the sound 'the arm' made in FWWM, and 
> >the sound we heard in the trailer park when we see that telephone pole?
> 
> Actually, it is played every time we see power poles, power lines, and
> electrical outlets.  I didn't notice it the first time, but it was VERY
> apparent to me on my second viewing that the must be some connection between
> at least the LMFAP if not the Lodges in general and electricity.
stuff deleted

Most telephone poles are made of Lodge Pole Pines.  Pretty weird...

Matt
From: jpm10@cd.amdahl.com (Jim Millar)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Picket Fences
Date: 29 Sep 92 16:42:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

Seeing the previews, LMFAP is on Picket Fences this Friday night.
From: drewds@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (David A Southwood)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Doc Hayward
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:51:24 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network


     Thats right, Dr. Hayward smashed Ben Horne's head into the fireplace of 
his home, and yet Dr. Hayward is seen in the very last scene with Sheriff
Truman before cooper walks into the bathroom and says 'How's Annie?'
Is this a continuity error?  Or did Dr. Hayward just sort of 'dump Ben
Hornes body' before coming to the Great Northern??
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: Phillip Jeffries
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:27:55 GMT
Distribution: alt.tv.twin peaks
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <001201c.4.718042779@ace.acadiau.ca>, 001201c@ace.acadiau.ca (NATHANIEL FISHER CRAWFORD) writes:

(stuff deleted)

> Also, how in the world can there be a comparison with Jeffries and John 
> Justice Wheeler...? I noticed someone mentioned this, but as far as I saw, he
> was just a throwaway character to fill up space and get Audrey laid.

The only reason I can think of that would make people connect these 2
characters is that Jeffries was supposed to be living somewhere in South
America, and J.J. Wheeler had to leave Twin Peaks because his business
associate in South America was murdered and Wheeler had to go back and take
care of things.  Anyway, I think I'm remembering this right.  Draw your own
conclusions (I haven't drawn any).

Holly