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From: lumme@sara.cc.utu.fi (Mikael Lumme)
Subject: Users vs MChess
Organization: University of Turku, Finland
Date: 26 Jan 93 09:35:42 EET

In the game Users vs MChess the move of
MChess-Pro is 42. - Rf2.

 Game #2 so far:      1 e4   e5   13 OOO  Na6   25 Rxf8+ Kxf8  37 Qc4   Qf6
                      2 f4   ef   14 Nd4  Ng3   26 Qc2   Kg8   38 Re2   Rf7
 8 - - - - R b k -    3 Nf3  d6   15 Bb5  Qe5   27 Qf5   g3    39 Qg4+  Qg7
 7 - - p - - - - p    4 d4   g5   16 Rhe1 Nc5   28 Qd7   b5    40 Qxg7+ Bxg7
 6 p - - p - - - -    5 h4   g4   17 Nb3  Nxb3  29 a3    b4    41 Re8+  Bf8
 5 - - - P - - - -    6 Ng1  f5   18 cb   a6    30 axb4  Qe7   42 Kd3   Rf2
 4 - P - - - - - P    7 Bxf4 fe   19 Bd3  Bf5   31 Qg4   Qe3
 3 - P N K - - p -    8 Nc3  Nf6  20 Bb1  Rae8  32 Qd7   Re7
 2 - P - - - r P -    9 d5   Bg7  21 Bf4  e3    33 Qc8+  Bf8
 1 - - - - - - - -   10 Nge2 O-O  22 Bxe3 Bxb1  34 Kc2   Qf2+
   a b c d e f g h   11 Qd2  Nh5  23 Kxb1 Nf1   35 Rd2   Qf1
                     12 Bg5  Qe8  24 Rxf1 Qxe3  36 Qg4+  Rg7

If you want to be in on the vote for the next move,
send your suggestion (along with any comments 
that you may have) to me.  On Wednesday, I will 
send copies of everyone's  suggestions and comments 
to everyone on the participants list.  

If you want to receive the discussion notes without
making a vote just let me know.

If you are participating for the first time in game #2,
Please include some indication of your chess playing strength.
From: sigursig@rhi.hi.is (Sigurdur Pall Sigurdsson)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Graphical interfaces
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:44:12 GMT

I was wondering if there is any graphical interface for pc that i can
run as follows.

beginning with logging on nfs network
then I have to telnet to local unix mainframe
and there at last I can telnet to ICS at valkyries.andrew...

Have been trying to use giics but i cant get that to work this way.

Probably only usable via modem.

Solutions and/or hints are very velcome!!
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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Presidential Chess
From: wallingf@nova.cs.uni.edu ( Eugene Wallingford )
Date: 21 Jan 93 08:18:39 -0600
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Michigan State University

Federico A Garcia writes:

>The last U.S. President I know was definitely a chess player was
>Thomas Jefferson.  Back in the early 80's, Chess Life did an article
>on Benjamin Franklin and his chess skill, and I think it either
>brought a game against Jefferson or at least alluded to the existence
>of the score for such a game...

     In fact, there was an article on Jefferson himself in the early
     '80s, discussing his penchant for chess sets and showing a page
     or two from a tablet of chess notes that Jefferson had made.  One
     of those discussions was on how to mate with K+R+B versus K+R.
     This discussion helped me to win a college championship a few
     years later, when I got a chance to employ that technique!

-- 
~~~~ Eugene Wallingford   ~~~~  Dept of Computer Science     ~~~~
~~~~ wallingf@cs.uni.edu  ~~~~  University of Northern Iowa  ~~~~
From: steven@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk (Steven Rix)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Scoresheets
Date: 22 Jan 93 16:55:57 GMT
Reply-To: steven@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Chemical Engineering Department.
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Usually a tournament provides carbon-copy scoresheets for an event (both the FIDE-
rated tournaments I have played in have done this). The players sign and submit 
the top copy and are free to keep the carbon-copy. The 1988 FIDE Laws of Chess
are very clear on this point: see Article 12 or so of my post. Naturally, if the tournament thinks it can sell the scoresheets, it may do so: I know that the last Hastings Challengers (1991-2) advertised for bids for all the scoresheets from the event, once they had prepared the bulletin, etc.

Chess games are public domain. I think that Emanuel Lasker tried to copyright the
games from one of his world Championship matches, but was unsuccessful. It isn't
something that can be easily policed. I don't know about citing the source of a
game though; it is common to add the tournament to the names of the players,
because the top players may play each other several times a year in different 
events.

-- 
Steve J.L. Rix

University of Edinburgh, Dept. of Chemical Eng. Phone: +44 (31) 650 8565.
From: DUFF000 <DUFF%UNB.CA@UNBMVS1.csd.unb.ca>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Timman-Short : Current Match Score
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:00:24 GMT
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.unl.edu


I have missed some of the postings of the Timman-Short match and
have, therefore, lost track of the current score.  I would be
grateful if someone would post the score to rec.games.chess.

Thanks.
Ken Duff
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: achar@ecn.purdue.edu
Subject: Quadruple pawns 
Keywords: ICS 
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 05:46:08 GMT

Another one of those "once in a while" games.

Motoman vs. aries --- Tuesday January 26, 12:38 AM EST, 1993
Rated blitz match, initial time: 2 minutes, increment: 8 seconds.

Move     Motoman                aries          
---     --------------         --------------
   1     P/e2-e4 (0:01)         P/g7-g6 (0:04)
   2     P/d2-d4 (0:02)         B/f8-g7 (0:03)
   3     N/b1-c3 (0:03)         P/d7-d6 (0:02)
   4     N/g1-f3 (0:03)         P/a7-a6 (0:03)
   5     B/f1-e2 (0:05)         P/b7-b5 (0:02)
   6     o-o (0:05)             B/c8-b7 (0:02)
   7     P/d4-d5 (0:08)         N/g8-f6 (0:04)
   8     B/e2-d3 (0:06)         P/c7-c6 (0:05)
   9     P/d5-c6 (0:09)         N/b8-c6 (0:03)
  10     R/f1-e1 (0:02)         o-o (0:02)
  11     B/c1-g5 (0:16)         P/h7-h6 (0:03)
  12     B/g5-e3 (0:10)         N/f6-g4 (0:05)
  13     B/e3-f4 (0:12)         R/a8-c8 (0:10)
  14     Q/d1-d2 (0:32)         K/g8-h7 (0:04)
  15     R/a1-d1 (0:07)         N/g4-e5 (0:12)
  16     N/f3-e5 (0:16)         P/d6-e5 (0:05)
  17     B/f4-e3 (0:07)         P/e7-e6 (0:02)
  18     N/c3-e2 (0:10)         Q/d8-h4 (0:27)
  19     P/f2-f3 (0:24)         R/c8-d8 (0:06)
  20     P/c2-c3 (0:07)         P/f7-f5 (0:10)
  21     B/e3-f2 (0:05)         Q/h4-g5 (0:10)
  22     Q/d2-g5 (0:07)         P/h6-g5 (0:03)
  23     B/d3-c2 (0:05)         P/g5-g4 (0:03)
  24     R/d1-d8 (0:11)         R/f8-d8 (0:04)
  25     R/e1-d1 (0:02)         R/d8-d1 (0:14)
  26     B/c2-d1 (0:03)         N/c6-a5 (0:18)
  27     B/d1-c2 (0:20)         N/a5-c4 (0:26)
  28     P/b2-b3 (0:13)         P/g4-f3 (0:17)
  29     P/b3-c4 (0:19)         P/f3-e2 (0:03)
  30     P/c4-b5 (0:06)         P/a6-b5 (0:07)
  31     B/c2-d3 (0:23)         P/f5-e4 (0:40)
  32     B/d3-b5 (0:17)         P/e4-e3 (0:04)
  33     B/f2-e1 (0:04)         P/e5-e4 (0:11)
  34     P/a2-a4 (0:13)         B/g7-f8 (0:34)
  35     P/a4-a5 (0:17)         B/f8-a3 (0:03)
  36     P/a5-a6 (0:09)         B/b7-a8 (0:02)
  37     B/b5-e2 (0:17)         B/a3-c1 (0:03)
  38     K/g1-f1 (0:08)         K/h7-g7 (0:06)
  39     B/e2-b5 (0:07)         K/g7-f6 (0:12)
  40     B/b5-d7 (0:07)         K/f6-e7 (0:11)
  41     B/d7-c8 (0:06)         K/e7-d6 (0:32)
  42     K/f1-e2 (0:07)         P/e6-e5 (0:06)
  43     P/h2-h4 (0:12)         K/d6-c7 (0:08)
  44     B/c8-e6 (0:09)         B/a8-c6 (0:07)
  45     B/e6-f7 (0:11)         B/c6-b5 (0:17)
  46     P/c3-c4 (0:06)         B/b5-a6 (0:06)
  47     P/g2-g4 (0:17)         K/c7-d7 (0:14)
  48     B/e1-b4 (0:10)         B/c1-d2 (0:32)
  49     B/b4-c5 (0:09)         K/d7-c6 (0:21)
  50     B/c5-a3 (0:06)         B/a6-c8 (0:14)
  51     B/f7-g6 (0:27)         B/c8-g4 (0:03)
  52     K/e2-f1 (0:10)         P/e3-e2 (0:03)
  53     K/f1-g2 (0:07)         B/g4-f3 (0:09)
  54     W resigns              


"cooeey" on ICS
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Subject: Re: touch-move etiquette
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:24:44 GMT

In article <1k78ga$fkb@agate.berkeley.edu> jeff@econBerkeley.EDU (Jeffrey C. Ely) writes:
>Here's a subject I've never seen addressed in this recurring thread:  Suppose
>you are promoting a pawn and you grab a piece for promotion.  At what point
>do you lose the option to change your mind about which piece to promote to?
>Is it after you touch a particular piece, or after that piece touches the
>board, or after you release it?

When you release the piece.
-- 
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From: jay@tweekco.uucp (Jay Whitley)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: CHESS NOVELS?
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 11:52:54 PST
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615

Can anyone add to this list?
  THE CHESS PLAYERS by Frances Parkinson Keyes
  THE QUEEN'S GAMBIT by Walter Tevis
(These are novels were chess is the central subject.)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: jlwestm@pbhyb.PacBell.COM (Jeff Westman)
Subject: Kasparov/Karpov c.1985
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:55:01 GMT
Keywords: championship, queen, sacrifice

In the 1985 or 1986 world championship betweenKasparov and Karpov, there is
a famous game where Kasparov was suppose to have an awesome queen sacrifice.
I have read posts about it in the past, but have never seen the game score.

If anyone has this, I would appreciate a post on it.  

Thanks in advance!    :-)


-Jeff-
-- 

-Jeff-
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin)
Subject: Re: Parallel Chess Programs?
Organization: Telebit Corporation; Sunnyvale, CA, USA
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:00:31 GMT

Early versions of GNU Chess had a parallel option.
Later it got flushed in favor of a single processor chess engine
that played stronger chess because of other reasons.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Subject: Re: ClassC to B ratings question. provisional? etc?
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 22:51:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.194319.22682@news.weeg.uiowa.edu> elowther@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Edward Lowther) writes:
>
>Well, I've almost touched the top of Class C, and will soon
>be Class B.  But how could I be wrong?  Well, my last provisional
>game was one of the three I thought would put me there.
>   Beating a 7XX rated (10 year old) as my 20th game doesn't make the
>thing go down, does it? 

Yes.  On the other hand...losing to a 24XX would "make the thing" go up.
The PR calculation giveth, and the PR calculation taketh away.  Not to
worry, in 25 more games, the rating system will have forgotten all about
it.

-- 
Kenneth Sloan                   Computer and Information Sciences
sloan@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham
(205) 934-2213                  115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station 
(205) 934-5473 FAX              Birmingham, AL 35294-1170
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: moynihan@rtsg.mot.com (Kieran D. Moynihan)
Subject: Anyone have info on the Mephisto RISC Chess computer ? 
Keywords: Chess computer
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 19:04:09 GMT

 Hi,
	Would anyone have any info ( strength qualities etc. ) on the Mephisto RISC chess computer ?

					Thanks,
						Regards,
							  Kieran Moynihan
							  Cork,
							  Ireland.
From: 506-5054%wwiv@tweekco.uucp (Craig Jefferies #506 @5054)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: SEARCHING FOR/Kids Chess
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 93 04:28:57 GMT

Before the SEARCHING FOR BOBBY FISCHER movie is released
(when is the date?), I was wondering how representative
people here thought Fred Waitzkin's book was of chess
for young kids.  His book indicates that parents can
get totally out of control pushing their kids into chess
lessons, tournaments, etc.  Some of the parents (and
consequently their kids) approached the tournaments as
though their entire lives were on the line! It reminded
me of some Little League baseball parents!
 
If anyone is thinking about getting their young child
into tournament chess, they might consider reading this
book first!  I'm sure, if approached sensibly, chess can
be fantastic for kids...but it sounds like some people
might be going overboard.  Comments?
From: mrosen@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Michael David Rosen)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Chess Clubs.
Date: 25 Jan 1993 06:42:51 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

In article <+0#@byu.edu> jensen@baloo.ee.byu.edu (Curtis Jensen) writes:
>
>2. Join USCF, and then ask them for info.  Before you can play in
>tournaments, you have to be a member anyway, so it's not like you're
>losing money...
>
>Curtis Jensen
>

I can't speak for most chess clubs but the club I belonged to regularly
offered UNRATED tournaments so that players who were not USCF members
could get their Pawns wet, as it were.  This allowed new players to try
out the tournament atmosphere.  If clubs don't offer a few non-USCF 
tournaments, they should.

mrosen

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: stein@tellabs.com (stein)
Subject: Re: scoresheets
Organization: Tellabs, Inc. - Digital Systems Division
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 23:54:27 GMT

In article <AfLNP5C2ATo3EFYkRX@pitt.edu> Teri A Meyers <tasst2+@pitt.edu> writes:
>
>In a recent post Hanon Russell states the usual view that scoresheets (at
>least in invitational tournaments) are considered to be the property of
>the tournament organizers.  I've often wondered what makes this so?  Given
>that there usually isn't any written agreements signed by the players 
>giving the organizers the ownership (or releasing their claims to owner-
>ship), what makes this so?  Is there anything more than convention?  How

Nothing makes this so. Your suspicion that this is bull is well founded. 
Mr. Russell did nothing with his posting other than to muddy the issue further.
He fails to identify which postings he was responding to and with which points
he finds fault. His posting contains vague and nebulous statements which suggest
that he either didn't carefully read prior postings or that he wanted to BS 
about something without the risk of being pinned down on specifics. 

Again, I will reiterate about possible differences between USCF and FIDE rules
on this subject. I say "possible" because I don't know what the FIDE rule is.
It could very well be that FIDE tournaments have the stipulation that the sheets
on which participants are required to keep score must be turned in regardless
of wether they were provided or not. This is NOT true for USCF only events.
As a former TD and as a tournament participant who has researched this I know it
is merely convention and is not part of a stated rule which can be enforced.

Yes, TD's can compel players to surrender their scoresheets for the purpose of
resolving a rule issue. Scoresheets are the property of the organizer(s) if and 
only if they were provided by the organizer(s), and that's all.

>does this bear on the fight that (Kamsky and others) have sometimes made
>insisting that they hold title to their scoresheets?  After all, did the
>players not make the moves and record them themselves?
>
>Jerry Meyers

Since most of Kamsky's events are FIDE he might actually be violating an explicitly
stated FIDE rule. However in the case of USCF only events, he's well within his rights
if he's using his own sheet.

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hwr@intercal.com (Hanon W. Russell)
Subject: Review: Inside Chess, 25/I/93
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:08:32 GMT


                           INSIDE CHESS
                         January 25, 1993
                        Volume 6, Issue 1

This is the fifth anniversary issue of "Inside Chess" - and what 
an issue it is! The feature (and virtually only) story in this 
issue is the recently completed U.S. Championship held in 
December in Durango, Colorado. Grandmaster and Editor Yasser 
Seirawan played in the championship, which also served as this 
country's qualifying tournament into the Interzonals. Every 
game, save one (whose game score, apparently, could not be 
located!?) is given.

Seirawan introduces each round summing up which games were 
important and why and briefly commenting on each game. Although 
most of the games are presented without any annotations, those 
that are annotated are splendid. The entire forty-eight-page 
issue, save a couple pages for other news, is given over to the 
coverage of the championship.

Seirawan discusses the formation, sponsorship and participation 
of the players in the tournament. The disastrous showing of IM 
Kamran Shirazi and the unpleasant experience with the (non-) 
participation of Gata Kamsky are also reported.

There really has not been this kind of in-depth coverage of a 
U.S. Championship since the heyday of Bobby Fischer and the 
editorship of "Chess Life" by Burt Hochberg. This issue of 
"Inside Chess" is tops!

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From: rod malpert  <ram4@cornell.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: KGA:  3. Nf3 d5  4. exd5 Qxd5  5. Nc3 Qf5!?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 20:27:15 GMT
Organization: Cornell University
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan22.145116.12063@Princeton.EDU> David G. Caraballo,
carabalo@phoenix.Princeton.EDU writes:
>A week and a half ago, I posted about a certain line of the King's
>Gambit Accepted:  1. e4 e5  2. f4 exf4  3. Nf3 d5  4. exd5 Qxd5 
>5. Nc3 Qf5!? 

	   This is an interesting idea, but 4...Qd5 is almost never 
played because of the loss of time after 5 Nc3.
Unfortunately, 5...Qf5 compounds the problem by losing
another tempo to white's eventual Bd3.  If white plays 
conservatively with 6 d4 and 7 Bd3, he gains a 
positional advantage, as in the following sample 
variations:

(1) 6...Bd6 7 Bd3
				(A) 7...Qe6 8 Kf2
				(B) 7...Qh5 8 Ne4 (or Qe2 first)
        (C) 7...Qg4 8 0-0 (or 8 Qe2 Ne7 9 Ne4 Nbc6 10 c4
													Bb4 11 Kf1) with ideas like Ne4, h3 and c4.

(2)  6...Nf6 7 Bd3 (7 Bc4 is more agressive and is justifiable,
but Bd3 is simple for illustration) Qe6 8 Ne2 +/=.  8...Bd6
9 0-0 Nd5 10 Nf4!; 8...Nd5 9 0-0 Ne3 10 Be3 Qe3 11 Kh1;
8...Nh5 9 0-0 (threatening Nf4)

				Whether a line is "refuted" is at bottom a comparative 
question.  There are other lines that are clearly better
against the King's Gambit, including within the 3...d5, 4...Nf6
variation.

																												SM Rod Malpert
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hyde@cs.dal.ca (Bill Hyde)
Subject: Re: Past Chess Champions vs Present Day (Kasparov)
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:06:31 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.055738.20525@nas.nasa.gov>, wall@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Major William D. Wall) writes:
|> 
|>    PEAK RATINGS OF GRANDMASTERS OVER 2600 (Jan, 1993)   - compiled by Bill Wall
|> 
|>                                 YEAR                            RATING    PEAK
|>  NAME                   COUNTRY IGM   BORN        DIED        FIDE  PEAK  YEAR
|> 
|> KASPAROV, GARY          RUSSIA  1980  1963.04.13              2805  2805  1993
|> FISCHER, ROBERT         USA     1958  1943.03.09              2780  2785  1972
|> KARPOV, ANATOLY         RUSSIA  1970  1951.05.23              2725  2755  1989
|> CAPABLANCA, JOSE        CUBA    ----  1888.11.19  1942.03.08        2725  1927
|> BOTVINNIK, MIKHAIL      RUSSIA  1950  1911.08.17              2505  2720  1948
|> LASKER, EMANUEL         GERMANY ----  1868.12.24  1941.01.11        2720  1909


	If these ratings are from Arpad Elo's book then the
	ratings of the older players are actually five year
	averages.  The curves he gives must peak in some year,
	but the peak is not the rating that the person would have
	had in that year.


	Ratings which represent five year
	averages are probably considerably below the
	players actual peak rating.  For example, after beating
	steinitz 10-2 lasker's rating may have momentarily shot
	over 2720.  The same may have happened after he won
	London, 1899, by 4.5 points.  Similarly Alekhine's peak
	was probably just after Bled (+13, =11 in a category 13),
	but a five year average would be lower as it would include
	his weaker performances at (e.g.) Zurich or Pasadena.

	For a proper comparison we would have to take five year averages
	of contemporary players - though Kasparov has been over 2800 for
	so long that it probably wouldn't drop him much.  Fischer, on
	the other hand, would drop considerably.


						Bill Hyde
Department of Oceanography
Dalhousie University,
Halifax, Nova Scotia
hyde@Ice.ATM.Dal.Ca or hyde@dalac




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From: price@crc.ac.uk (Mr. P.M. Rice)
Subject: RE: Laszlo Polgar IM?
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:28:44 GMT

ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:

>  The father of the Polgar sisters is an IM??? Is this a fact?? I had thought
>this was true but had come to doubt it. Anybody know for sure??

Nope. He was "an amateur chess player...able to provide his eldest daughter
with some opposition until she was about nine years old" according to
Cathy Forbes' recent book. At the age of 10 1/2 Susan Polgar was rated about
2040 ELO so he must have been way below that.

There is another Polgar, initial I. and presumably unrelated, who is an FM
(FIDE master) and rated 2425 on the July 1992 list. But he is certainly not
Laszlo. 

How about a match between the daddies of famous chess prodigies? But first
we have to trace the other Mr Fischer...

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