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From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Dymetadrine 25
Date: 30 Jul 92 19:57:18 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Jul30.164324.3943@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
>In article <1992Jul30.100641.246@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>>Steve,  do you have proof that ephedrine is screened for in competition?
>
>Any of the adrenergic anti-asthmatic drugs are part of a drug screen
>in international competition.

As Laurie has posted, 2 British weight lifters were thrown out of competition
for testing positive for Clenbuterol, a beta-2 andrenergic agonist.

>>Just in general, E.P.H. or ephedra is the same as ephedrine which is the same
>>as Dymetadrine 25.  Ephedra can be found in Ma Huang tea which the Chinese have
>>been drinking for centuries.
>
>Yes, so?
>
>-- 
>Steve Dyer
>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer

Well, actually Ephedra is the natural form of ephedrine hydrochloride, I
believe.  So?  It's natural.  Right?  It's still a "drug."

							-Adam

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From: billodo@cyclone (Bill O'Donnell)
Subject: FAQ: Vitamin advice?
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 13:24:58 GMT

I'm soliciting advice on vitamins.  I do some running, weight training,
bicycling, and golf... 3-5 times per week. Besides a decent
diet, does a healthy 28-34 year old person need a vitamin supplement?
If so, what kind, brand, etc? I have tried a multiple from Nutrition
World, but I'm not yet convinced that I really need it.

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From: mickw@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: arm wrestling/Adam Silver
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:04:37 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.164753.249991@cs.cmu.edu>, kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:
> You've had two men pulling on your arm, and they lost.  Hmmm...
> 
> So it would make it more fun for me, don't you think...(unless you think
> you're too much of a he-man to wrestle a woman...Huh?)  What about it?
> C'mon!  What are ya, a sissy?

God! What a LESBO!!



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From: remus.rutgers.edu!clong@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Squat Tips
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:56:00 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
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I've been doing 20 rep sets of breathing squats (at least three
deep breaths per rep), and when I go much over 200 pounds I have
trouble with lightheadedness and the bar trying it's best to fall
off of my shoulders.  Any tips?  Note that I do *not* hold my breath
while I go up; I exhale.  My back feels a little sore afterwards,
but this goes away after an hour or two.  Any reason to worry?
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

"In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
 of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
 on the average, older."        Wallis & Roberts, _The Nature of Statistics_
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Subject: Re: Fat metabolism
Reply-To: vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 14:17:27 GMT


In a previous article, jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) says:

>I read a rather discouraging short article in the newspaper a couple of 
>months ago saying that a "recent study" was not able to confirm the popu-
>lar (boy, IS it popular!  I've heard everything from 4 hours to 19 hours!) 
>theory that metabolic rate stays elevated AFTER a workout.  Their study
>indicated that metabolic rate only stayed elevated while the heart rate
>was elevated.  The article gave few details, and I posted a question on
>this newsgroup at that time asking if anyone had any more information,
>but no one did.  I think we all want to go on believing, even if it ISN'T
>true, that our metabolism just keeps churning away, hours after our workout 
>is over.  

Well, I'd be reluctant to dismiss previous scientific info based on just
ONE study.  Still, the thought is disturbing.

-- 
Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

"If God does not judge the United States, then He owes |    My boss is a 
 an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."   - Billy Graham   |  Jewish carpenter.
From: wittmann@engr.wisc.edu (art wittmann)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: side effects of carbonated beverage consumption?
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:34:56 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
Originator: wittmann@muskie.engr.wisc.edu


In article <1992Jul30.131520.20902@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:
|> 
|> In a previous article, sunny@skylinx.sa.com (Sunny Heck) says:
|> 
|> >I came from a country that didn't have sodas, they
|> >had carbonated drinks of their own, but not Cokes, Pepsis,
|> >and , iugh, Dr.Pepper |-)  It took me a while to get used 
|> >to the taste of the american sodas, they all tasted like
|> >shoe polish, mind you, i don't know what shoe polish tastes
|> >like, but if it were eatable, that's exactly what coke and
|> >pepsi would taste like.  After a few weeks i stopped noticing
|> >the SP taste though.  I read somewhere that people get addicted
|> >to things that don't taste good at first, case in point? 
|> >don't know how this relates to chocolate :)
|> >i am more concerned about the aluminum cans, containing these acidic,
|> >carbonated beverages.  seems that some of that aluminum is bound :) to end
|> >up in your system.
|> 
|> Hey, no problem.  Americans don't eat enough aluminum anyway.  :-)
|> 

Two thoughts;

1.  Anything with caffine is addicting.  Both chocolate and most sodas
    have it, so they are mildly addicting.

2.  Aluminum Oxide is extremely tough stuff.  Not much eats through it.
    Although chemically somewhat different, both ruby and saphire are 
    forms of aluminum oxide.  Some alarmists have suggested that eating
    from aluminum cans, bottles and plates can cause everything from
    Altzheimer's (spelled wrong) to hang nails, no studies that I'm aware
    of have shown it.

Art
From: wittmann@engr.wisc.edu (art wittmann)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: arm wrestling/Adam Silver
Date: 24 Jul 92 13:34:01 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <1992Jul24.075401.197@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>In article <14639@umd5.umd.edu>, silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul23.164753.249991@cs.cmu.edu> kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico) writes:
>>>You've had two men pulling on your arm, and they lost.  Hmmm...
>>>
>>>So it would make it more fun for me, don't you think...(unless you think
>>>you're too much of a he-man to wrestle a woman...Huh?)  What about it?
>>>C'mon!  What are ya, a sissy?
>>>
>>> I don't mind armwrestling women (and other things).  :-)  Ha!
>> 
>> 							-Adam
>> 

So are you saying that you don't mind doing things besides armwrestling
with women, or that you don't mind armwrestling other thing besides
women (like what? various members of the animal kingdom?)?

Sounds like yet another glove has been thrown down!  When will be
defeated?  When will the rein of torchure end?  It's almost like
a bad rocky film.  "hey pauly, I'm going to armwrestle the russian."
"What are you crazy Rocky?  He'll kill you, he's not human..."
and as they come to the table Adam the russian is heard to say;
"I must break you." etc. etc.

Art


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From: kji+@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU (Kathi Iannamico)
Subject: Re: nausea during a workout
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:17:28 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Originator: kji@SPEECH1.CS.CMU.EDU

I also become very nauseated during my workout, but only during the late
spring and during the summer.  Of course, all ab exercises make me sick,
as does any bicep, and some back exercises.  I also experience severe
postural hypotension...I guess that's right...when you stand up and
feel dizzy?...Anyway, it's only during the summer.  I wonder if there's
an underlying cause...like allergies.  Allergies usually give me a mild
nauseated feeling and dizziness most of the summer anyway.

I also wonder if my potassium is depleted, and there is some sort of
electrolyte imbalance involved...or, because I'm dieting, if I go
into a mild state of ketosis, if there is a mild state.

Anyway, I happen to think that nausea experienced while lifting
is not a reflection so much on the workout(as long as you're not 
totally overdoing it), as it is a reflection of some other condition:
environmental or physical.

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From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: rubber band machines
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 00:02:09 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.225212.22750@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
> I'm a bit skeptical about the
> "band" machines.  

I suspect that "band" machines were developed not because the rubber band
allows for a better feel or training effect, but for a practical business
reason.  There's no weight stack to pay to have shipped.


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From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Pain in calf muscles....jogging
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:28:06 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

Your body is talking to you, and it is telling you to rest. If you
ignore the pain and choose to jog anyway, you risk permanent injury.
Then you would never be able to jog again, and the pain could
persist for years.

Try cross-training in another sport such as bicycling or swimming,
until you can jog again without pain.

You may wish to post in rec.running, and read the FAQ in rec.running.
Their FAQ discusses this issue.

You are probably suffering from shin splints. There are exercises
for it, but exercise therapy cannot begin until after the pain
is gone. 

There is an experimental procedure involving calcitonin injections,
which is helpful in curing shin splints, among other injuries
which are slow to heal. However, since the procedure has yet to
be documented in the literature, you may be unable to find a
doctor willing to do it, unless you see a sports-medicine doctor.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: mlantin@csi.uottawa.ca (Maria Lantin)
Subject: Re: Sweating !!!!
Organization: University of Ottawa
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 19:05:06 GMT

In article <827@jgaltstl.UUCP> terry@jgaltstl.UUCP (terry linhardt) writes:
>In article <1992Jul20.195507.3083@csi.uottawa.ca>, mlantin@csi.uottawa.ca (Maria Lantin) writes:
>> 
>> I read more than once that women in general sweat less than men.  The reason
>> given for this is that the female body is more efficient at cooling down.
>> I certianly have noticed that I sweat far less than my SO but that could
>> just be coincidence.  Could any women out there concur?
>> Nevertheless I think sweating is perfectly normal and shouldn't be considered 
>> unhealthy.  
>> 
>
>Are you sure that less sweat means that a body is *more* efficient
>at cooling? The body sweats in order to cool off. I think that the
>person who sweats more is actually cooling off more efficiently 
>than the 'non-sweater'.

Well if the body of the non-sweater is actually being cooled down with
less sweat (and therefore less work) by the body it would seem that it is
more efficient.  Since I wrote this 2 women have said that they sweat
more than their male SO's so maybe there is no difference and those 
articles I read were bull.  I don't know.

			Maria
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: high-protein meal before or after workout?
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:25:39 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Jul26.220521.26472@math.uwaterloo.ca>, gamiddle@math.uwaterloo.ca (Guy Middleton) writes:
> The conventional wisdom says that, after doing weight training, muscles
> rebuild themselves, and need dietary protein to do this.  I normally eat a
> high-carbohydrate diet, so I have a couple of questions:
> 
> 	Should I have a high-protein meal on days when I do weights?
> 
> 	Is it better to eat such a meal before or after weight training?
> 
>  -Guy Middleton, University of Waterloo		gamiddleton@math.waterloo.edu
> 		(+1 519 885 1211 x3472)		gamiddleton@math.uwaterloo.ca

Guy,  You want to eat your high-protein meal within one hour after your workout.
      You should eat a high protein meal on days you lift weights yes, but you
      also want to eat a faily good amount of protein on your days off, because
      on the days that you rest is when your body does most of its rebuilding.
      I was told not to worry about consuming the complex carbs so quickly after
      your workout, because your body will eventually refuel itself by breaking
      down its fat stores and converting them to glycogen which is what fuels
      your muscles.
Rob
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: suggested books/exercises for ab work?
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:49:17 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Jul29.122941.238@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:

>Todd, What are Medicine ball drills?  I have never heard of these.
>
>--Rob

Have someone throw a medicine ball at your stomach a few thousand times.
This should help tighten it.  :-)

							-Adam

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From: jreece@sousa.intel.com (John Reece)
Subject: Re: olympic and powerlifting questions
Reply-To: jreece@sousa.intel.com
Organization: Intel - Information Technologies
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:54:44 GMT

In article <horwath.711657386@geode11>, horwath@rtsg.mot.com (George Horwath) writes:

> 1. Given the general popularity of weight training, how will
>    the USA team do in Olympic lifting?? On Wide World of Sports, the top 
>    contenders were Russian, German & Korean for the superheavyweight 
>    class - they didn't even cover our guy - he was something like 
>    10th. Is it just that powerlifting is more popular?


Having a big gene pool of casual participants is no indicator of how
strong a country is likely to be at the international level in a particular 
sport.  Otherwise, one would expect the US to sweep the shooting events 
every time...

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From: Charlie Swiontek <swiontek@mli.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Sweating !!!!
Organization: Motorola Lighting
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 22:42:48 GMT
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From: marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco)
Subject: Re: MY STORY - Input welcome!!
Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 10:46:36 GMT

<re: love handles that won't go away>
 
Some folx simply retain fat cells and loose tissue in this area.
There are two solutions if exercise is not working:
 
o Change the way you think about your "love handles"
o Liposuction and possibly some tissue reduction surgery.
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: FAQ: Vitamin advice?
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:39:11 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Jul29.144825.199112@cs.cmu.edu>, cline+@cs.cmu.edu (Kenneth Cline) writes:
> In article <1992Jul28.132458.25074@rosevax.rosemount.com> billodo@cyclone (Bill O'Donnell) writes:
>>diet, does a healthy 28-34 year old person need a vitamin supplement?
> 
> The official medical advice is no, you do not need supplements.
> However the majority of medical professionals (doctors, nurses) take
> supplements anyway.  My suggestion is that you use an inexpensive
> multivitamin/mineral supplement (Theragran-M, One-a-Day, generic,
> etc.) which will make up any micronutrient deficiencies in your diet,
> and eat lots of fresh fruit and vegetables.
> 
> If you want, get a popular book on living forever and try to sort out
> the crackpot ideas from the useful.  Rely on scientific references to
> determine the safety of supplements, and be aware that contamination
> is always a possibility (as happened with tryptophan).  Anti-oxidant
> nutrients are showing promise at preventing some diseases.  Vitamins C
> and E, and Beta-Carotene are examples are examples of of anti-oxidants
> that are safe to take in high doses.
> 
> Ken

Ken,  Vitamin E is NOT SAFE at high levels.  I'm currently doing research on
Vitamin E and its effects on the immune systems of elderly people.  The RDA for
Vit. E is 10mg/day which is relatively low.  We are supplementing our subjects
with 800mg.  It is a fat soluble vitamin, but anymore over the 800mg, and you
will have problems on your hands.  You can take more vitamin C than Vitamin
E.
--ROB
From: ekp@mcnc.org (Edward Pavelchek)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: high-protein meal before or after workout?
Date: 27 Jul 92 18:25:15 GMT
Organization: Good place for a disclaimer

In article <1992Jul27.124931.214@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes in error:
>NO!  Protein does not get converted to glycogen.  Only carbohydrates get 
>converted to glycogen. 

and

>The body breaks down fat stores and converts the fat
>to glycogen via the liver.


These statements are wrong.

Referring to _Biochemistry_, Lehninger  part or all of
all amino acids except leucine can be converted to glucose.
Once circulating as blood glucose, they can be converted to muscle 
glycogen.

Once food has been stored as fat, only a small fraction (~10%) of it
can be reconverted to glycogen.  (that fraction is the glycerol to which
the fatty acids are attached)


These one way transitions give rise to ketosis, in some way I don't
fully understand yet.
-- 
And if your hand or foot offend you,         Ed Pavelchek   ekp@mcnc.org
  Cut it off, lad, and be whole;
But play the man, stand up and end you,
  When your sickness is your soul.           AE Housman
From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Question about weight
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:32:57 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <1992Jul31.153022.16328@athena.mit.edu> sm@space.mit.edu writes:
	much deleted

Using plastic bottles filled with water is an acceptable weight-
bearing exercise for toning. However, to increase muscle mass, you
must exercise against an increasing resistance over time. Using a
water bottle will not satisfy this goal because its weight is
limited by the amount of water it can hold.

Women generally have weak upper bodies compared to men, and your
proposed exercise will give you sufficient strength to do things
like opening jars, stuck doors, etc.

Remember that rest and recovery are important parts of your training.
When your muscles are sore, don't repeat the exercise until all soreness
is gone. Otherwise, you risk injury.
From: roberts@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov (Don Roberts)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: leg/feet position during flat bench?
Date: 23 Jul 92 15:41:17 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

In article <1992Jul23.142433.2456@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall) writes:

>What's the best postition for my legs and feet when doing flat
>benches on a Universal machine? I see some people put their feet
>on the bench w/ their legs bent, others hook their legs over the end
>of the bench, and still others angle their legs slightly so they hang
>off the sides of the bench. Comments?
>
>          aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu (Dan Doooooooovall)

Different strokes for different folks. However, there are a few general
rules: putting your legs up on the bench takes the stress off your back;
this not only targets your pecs more directly, it can help prevent a back
injury. Putting your legs on the floor, angled out somewhat, helps with
balance (good when you're doing heavy weight, but really only an issue
with free weights) and also allows you to arch your back somewhat and lift
more weight. My experience is mostly with free weights, so if anyone has
any Universal-specific info that contradicts the above, please pass it
along.
--
   Don Roberts
   dwr@llnl.gov
From: laurie@tcom.stc.co.uk (Laurie Constantin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Weightlifters fail Drug Test
Date: 30 Jul 92 14:26:12 GMT
Organization: BNR Europe, New Southgate, London.


	I have just heard that 2 British weightlifters have been sent hoome
	in disgrace after failing a drugs test. There was also a sprinter
	who failed. The weightlifters were found positive in the use of
	clenbuterol. The pair have both said that it's due to their asthma
	medication. The sprinter was positive in some other substance (all
	I know is that it was a steriod of some sort).


	Laurie.


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From: sage.hnrc.tufts.edu!loszewski_im@overmind.mind.org
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Dymetadrine 25 (Mike)
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:11:00 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University
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In article <1992Jul21.181536.4769@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, 
ah532@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Gleba) writes:
> Does anybody have any info/experience with this stuff? Side effects? 
> or anything? All info would be greatly appreciated. Send mail if
> possible.
> 
> -MIke
> 
> -- 
> Bodybuilders and Volleyball Players Will Rule The World

Hi Mike,

Dymetadrine 25 is pretty good.  It's cheap and very effective.  You should 
take
1-3 tablets 45 minutes before your workout, but no more.  Also, cycle it 2 
days
on 2 days off, 1 month on, 1 month off.  If you take it anymore than this, 
your
body will build up a tolerance to it, and it won't be as effective.  
Personally,
I only take it  before a workout that I know I'm going to have a problem 
with, 
such as my chest workout.  Don't like to rely on it, as it is a drug of 
course.
Dymetadrine 25 is nothing but pure ephedrine hydrochloride which is a mild
central nervous system stimulator.  It encourages the production of norepi-
nephrine.  This in turn acts as a mild bronchodilator.
To make a long story short, it psychs you up for one hell of a workout.  You
can lift more weight and get cut as well.
Again, DO NOT ABUSE THIS DRUG!!  Everything I'm telling you I have researched
and tried.  If you feel that you need to take more, then back off on it for
a while and give your body a rest from it.
If you have anymore questions about it, feel free to email me.

Rob
Loszewski_im@hnrc.tufts.edu