HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: "Geek Love" in Sunday's Murky News
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:37:48 GMT
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

Just passing thru....

>In article <lfar20INNer4@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM
writes:
>>This was a surprisingly well-written article.  Especially the fashion 
>>tips (nerds take note!)  My favorite anecdote was a woman who said that 
>>on two different occasions she had been out walking under the stars with 
>>nerds and said "Oh, look at the stars. I wonder what they are" or 
>>something equally innocuous, and the nerd proceeded to tell her, star 
>>by star, constellation by constellation!"

The physicist Hans Bethe wrote about his courting of his wife and this
situation came up.  Earlier that day he had just figured out nuclear fusion.
His comment was:
	Ah, but I know HOW they burn.
This work went on to win him a Nobel Prize in physics.  The amusing
thing is that Jacob's colleague in writing, Constance Casey's, husband
won the Nobel Prize in chemistry two years ago.  She promptly left the Merc.

It depends on how long range or short range your thinking is and
your priorities.  I am heartened that JF took the time to write Jacobs
who undoubtably has friends forwarding net.news to her (why not? the NY Times
and the NSA are on the net reading).  The typical nerd should consider this
a way to test compatibility.  You would not want said person if she (he)
didn't appreciate as you did.

In article <1992Nov2.191439.16557@netcom.com> aahz@netcom.com
(Mean Green Dancing Machine) writes:
>My take on it is that there were some good tips and some funny parts,
>but it was mostly full of gratuitous insults and innuendo.

It was a very funny article.  One can never look at Frys or Printer's Inc.
the same way after reading this article: Comp. Lit. Bookshop is
jealous for the free publicity it missed.  This sounds like complaints lodged
against the Cringely book (Accidental Empires: ..."Still can't get a date")
better known as Fear and Loathing in Cupertino.

A great way for the real world to provide a nice traffic point on the net.
So long and thanks for all this fish.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
Second Favorite email message: Returned mail: Cannot send message for 3 days
A Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: diana@wetware.com (CatWoman )
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: "Geek Love" in Sunday's Murky News
Date: 9 Nov 92 21:33:03 GMT
Organization: Castle WetWare MouseCatcher

rberlin@Eng.Sun.COM writes:

] sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
] >Yes, but this describes a situation that must have occurred at least 50
] >years ago. Much has changed since then between women and men. 
] >She heard this, and felt admiration for the man. Today, a man in a
] >similar situation would likely be the target of laughter, and contempt.  :(
] 
] I agree.  The famous story in our family was that my paternal
] grandmother knew she had met The One when he explained to her why
] bridges were painted orange.  That was around 1930.

Aren't we rather guilty of generalizing here?  I would
think it rather depends on the people and the situation
in question.  Once again - it takes communication.  I
know *I* was glad to meet my PYM when he took the time
to explain how his programs worked - rather than just
assuming I was incapable of understanding.  It is up to
*ME* to let him know when he's getting over my head, and
have him slow down - or alternatively, it's up to me to
recognize that when he's talking to me he's bouncing
ideas around without expecting an answer - and let him
know that I'm not following him if I want him to stop.

The specific situation that supposedly happened is rather
an example of a lack of communication.  On his part by
assuming that she wanted raw data instead of emotions, 
and on her part for not stopping him if she was uninterested.

Diana
From: HF.HLA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lisa A. Haupt)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Where to meet women?
Date: 13 Nov 92 19:35:07 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

In article <27418@dog.ee.lbl.gov>,
prem@prem.lbl.gov (R. Shirdi Prem) writes:


>        I don't particularly "pick up" women. I meet them, and if we like
>        each other, fine. No pick-ups for me, thank you.

>        Heaven help them, if this is the way you act.


>        And if you were offended by my post, it wasn't any more of an
>        infra-"dig" than yours!!

>        No offense taken, sounds like your the one that got his feelings
         hurt.


>        And while we are dishing out free advice to each other, there is
>        a rather nice little thing called a sense of humour, check it out
>        sometime.

>        I have a great sense of humor, ask Bob Becker.


>        !(Nice_knowing_you)
>



>================================================================================
>==  Theoretically, theory should work in practice. In practice, it doesn't.   ==
>================================================================================
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From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Re: What a crock
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:15:08 GMT

In article <1dos96INNa1m@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.HLA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lisa A. Haupt) writes:
>Item: ba.singles 7791,  Mon, 9 No,  25 lines.    (14 items left)
>From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
>Subject: Re: Where to meet women?
>
>>OK  I will give you the benefit of my years of experience.....
>
>>You are so full of it!!
>
Yes.  I am.  We more "mature" males are a wellspring of learning
and good advice.
How kind of you to notice.
From: marv@netcom.com (Marvin Raab)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: What a crock
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:15:01 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: user of Netcom Public Access Unix, SF Bay Area

In article <1992Nov10.181508.19759@netcom.com> bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
>Yes.  I am.  We more "mature" males are a wellspring of learning
>and good advice.


   Keep in mind there's a serious drought in the Bay Area...   :-)


                   -marvin


-- 
Marvin Raab                                  
marv@netcom.com                              Mountain View, CA 94040
apple.com!netcom.com!marv                    415-961-6501 (h)
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From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Re: Where to meet women?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 02:02:39 GMT

In article <mdtaylor-101192150826@90.155.0.50> mdtaylor@apple.com (Mark Taylor) writes:
>> 
>>     Absolutely.  Then when you've been dancing for 4 years and realize
>> that no dates have resulted, you won't consider it a waste of time,
>> because the activity itself is fun.
>
>Data point:  I have two friends who met at the Cubberly Pavilion 10 months
>ago and are getting married in February.

Unfortunately, not to each other.

One of the friends is marrying a biker she met at a biker bar
after he won the Ugliest Tattoo award, and the other is marrying
a woman he met at the California State Mud Wrestling championship
bouts in Fresno.
From: HF.HLA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lisa A. Haupt)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: What a crock
Date: 10 Nov 92 17:41:58 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

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From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Re: Where to meet women?

>OK  I will give you the benefit of my years of experience.....

>You are so full of it!!


Love,

The Seahag
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From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Re: Where to meet women?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 02:55:06 GMT

In article <lg8d7kINNbhb@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smith@wesson.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 10524@netcom.com, bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
>>In article <lg55j8INNda@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smith@wesson.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>>>>What is TL&EH, please ?
>>>True Love and Eternal Happiness (Is there such an animal?) . . . 
>>
>>Of course there is, Nina.
>>I found it just the other night with the Ferguson Twins, Bambi and Bunni.
>
>Hmmmm . . . you and John Fereira appear to have a fair bit in common
>with the choice of women -- Swedish Bikini Team and Playboy Playmates

John has access to the Swedish Bikini Team?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Not fair!  Not fair!
From: elau@berlioz.nsc.com (Eugene Lau)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Net.Dinner
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:57:34 GMT
Organization: National Semiconductor Corporation

In article <15447@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>
>                            ...  The place is "Golden Chopsticks" in 
>Campbell.  This is an upscale restaurant that has more of a continental
>atmosphere but seems to have authentic food.  They have, as a specialty,
>dungeouness crab, with roasted garlic and peppers.  You even get to pick out
>your dinner from their aquarium ...
>
>| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |

interesting choice.  although I haven't been to "golden chopsticks", my 
feeling is that any chinese restaurants with the word "golden" or "dragon"
in their name is not very authentic.  picking out fresh fish from an
aquarium is very common among chinese restaurants. 

eugene
From: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM (Janice Gelb)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Where to meet women?
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:51:02 GMT
Reply-To: janiceg@marvin.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: marvin

In article 101192150826@90.155.0.50, mdtaylor@apple.com (Mark Taylor) writes:
In article <74141@apple.apple.COM, leech@Apple.COM (Jonathan Patrick
Leech) wrote:
> 
> In article <1992Nov9.215104.2308@ads.com> charleen@ADS.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna) writes:
> >I'd add, though, get out and do things for their own sake; i.e. because
> >you enjoy them.  Bored?  You've undoubtedly got some friends who do some
> >form of the popular recreational dances (ballroom, contra, square dancing).
> >Ask them how they got started.  You might find you like it, and nothing
> >is so attractive as someone who's having a good time.
> 
>     Absolutely.  Then when you've been dancing for 4 years and realize
> that no dates have resulted, you won't consider it a waste of time,
> because the activity itself is fun.

This is basically good advice but one word of warning: when I lived in 
LA I started dating someone from folkdancing.  For the first time in my 
life, I broke up with someone (him) acrimoniously, and as a result, I 
had to start dancing at a different place because it was so uncomfortable 
for us to see each other. Having shared interests is great, but make 
sure you don't ruin your enjoyment of the hobby in the process!


********************************************************************************
Janice Gelb                  | (415) 336-7075     
janiceg@marvin.eng.sun.com   | "A silly message but mine own" (not Sun's!) 
********************************************************************************
From: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Net.Dinner
Date: 14 Nov 92 00:29:08 GMT
Reply-To: wallich@ncd.com (Ken Wallich)

johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:

>The dungeness crab may be one item that is not authentic Vietnamese.  

The best Vietnamese resturant I've ever been to (a Vietnamese friend
took me there) used to be in San Francisco (they've since closed or
moved years ago).  Their specialty was dungeness crab, cooked much as
you described.  About 10 years ago, the crab dish (this was a whole
roasted crab, mind you) was listed as an appetizer for about $5.  The
last time I was there, about 5 years ago, it was the same crab dish
but now listed as an entree, and was about $25.

The women who took me there said that it was a traditional dish in
some areas of Vietnam.  Perhaps someone with more direct cultural
experience can illuminate us on the subject.

--
Ken Wallich
wallich@ncd.com  
ken@wallich.com
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From: bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker)
Subject: Re: Where to meet women?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: ba
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 22:19:46 GMT

In article <1e101bINNadj@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.HLA@forsythe.stanford.edu (Lisa A. Haupt) writes:
>
>>        I have a great sense of humor, ask Bob Becker.
>
No!!!!  Don't ask me anything!  I know nothing.
I have no sense of humor.  I couldn't possible recognize one in 
anyone else.  Trust me.  I ddon't even like people who have
humors.  I'm glum.  I'm dour.  I'm morose.  I'm not a nice person.
Please don't ask me anything.
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: Net.Dinner
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:56:20 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Nov13.005734.5768@berlioz.nsc.com> elau@berlioz.nsc.com (Eugene Lau) writes:
>In article <15447@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|>
|>                            ...  The place is "Golden Chopsticks" in 
|>Campbell.  This is an upscale restaurant that has more of a continental
|>atmosphere but seems to have authentic food.  They have, as a specialty,
|>dungeouness crab, with roasted garlic and peppers.  You even get to pick out
|>your dinner from their aquarium ...
|>
|>| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
|
|interesting choice.  although I haven't been to "golden chopsticks", my 
|feeling is that any chinese restaurants with the word "golden" or "dragon"
|in their name is not very authentic.  picking out fresh fish from an
|aquarium is very common among chinese restaurants. 

True, however as Aahz mentioned (because I neglected to),  "Golden Chopsticks"
is has Vietnamese food.  The dungeness crab may be one item that is not
authentic Vietnamese.  It however is not a "pho" place.  As I said, the
atmosphere is more like a continental place that the lower key approach to
many ethnic places.  Whether it is authentic or not the food is very good.
The service was excellent both times I was there.  It's a little pricey 
compared to many chinese restaurants but I felt that it was worth it.

-- 
+==========================================================================+
| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
+==========================================================================+
From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: How to meet women!
Date: 10 Nov 92 19:19:33 GMT
Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things

For the benefit of the babeless among us, I will share with you
the successful approaches used by guys who wanted to attract me.
Whether you would want to date a woman who likes what I like is
up to you, but at least these worked for some set of humans, where
set S is one man and one demented woman.

The man I am living with now attracted me by introducing himself,
telling me he liked my email messages, and sending some funny ones
of his own; not only just to me but to several groups.  One I 
really liked was a subject line only message: FREE SEX TAKEN! N/T
akin to the FREE CHAIR TAKEN N/T that people run after offering a
free item and getting deluged with requests.

Another man I dated got my attention by showing an interest in me.
He had heard some stories about my moving problems and asked to
hear more about them.  The old adage is true: nothing is a more
fascinating topic of converstation than yourself.  If you spend all
your time letting others talk about themselves, they will think you
are the most brilliant conversationalist in the world.

I love it when a guy cooks dinner for me.  It's more impressive than
being taken out to dinner: it shows he has a creative side, and doesn't
have any macho hangups about cooking being a woman's domain.  This only
works if you are a decent cook, of course.  I dated one fellow who
cooked dinner for me several Mondays in a row.  It worked.

None of these are sure-fire solutions; if you come on too strong, the
best quiche in the world won't keep most women in your kitchen.  Take
a deep breath, don't invest too much in the outcome; just enjoy the
evening for what it is.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled sarcasm.

-- 
Maddi Hausmann                madhaus@netcom.com
Humorist, Satirist, Tech Writer.  Take your pick.

Centigram Communications Corp, San Jose California  408/428-3553
From: chesnutt@adobe.com (Stan Chesnutt)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: How to meet women!
Date: 10 Nov 92 20:38:23 GMT
Organization: Tuesday Weld Fan Club

In article <1992Nov10.191933.29147@netcom.com> madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
>For the benefit of the babeless among us, I will share with you
>the successful approaches used by guys who wanted to attract me.
>Whether you would want to date a woman who likes what I like is
>up to you, but at least these worked for some set of humans, where
>set S is one man and one demented woman.
>

Thanks, Maddi, for the information!

In the interest of fairness, I'll mention some of the ways that women approached
me: a few of the successful ways, and one unsuccesful way:

    Successful Method:  Offer me Food!

    I was on an organized bicycle ride (MS Monterey Waves-to-Wine) and I was
at a rest stop, tuning my bike before loading up on the snacks.  A young woman
came up to me with a water bottle and a peeled orange and offered them to me.
I accepted, and we chatted for a while before continuing on the ride.  We rode
together for a few dozen miles, and then dated several times in the subsequent
month.

    Successful Method:  Sell me a Car!

    When I bought my "wheels", the salesperson at one of the dealerships was
a young woman who was very knowledgeable about the models her dealership
offered.  I took a few test rides in the cars she recommended, then returned
several days later to purchase.  She asked me to dinner, and we went out often
for a while.

    Successful Method:  Beat me at Backgammon!

    I used to go to play backgammon with friends every Thursday evening when
I was living in Louisiana.  One evening a new face was there: a fellow student
who beat me five times straight playing backgammon that night.  She invited me
to her apartment for private lessons :-> and of course the natural progression
occurred...

    Unsuccessful Method:  Proposition me!

    I was in a bar, and an attractive but very intoxicated young lady asked
me to dance.  We danced, but she was a bit clumsy, and I ended up catching
her once as she almost fell to the floor.  She made a pass at me, but due to
her condition and my lack of attraction, I turned her down.  I left her in the
custody of her friends, who promised to not let her drive home.

There ya have it ... four ways to approach a man ... one of which didn't work.
I still play backgammon, eat regularly, but I don't need a new car now.  So,
two out of the above four would work for me currently!

Stay sane,
Stan

-- 
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Stan Chesnutt,  Adobe Systems			      chesnutt@mv.us.adobe.com
From: mdtaylor@apple.com (Mark Taylor)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
Subject: Re: How to meet women!
Date: 11 Nov 92 18:30:49 GMT
Followup-To: ba.singles
Distribution: ba
Organization: Apple Computer

In article <1992Nov11.061918.12929@netcom.com>, thinman@netcom.com
(Technically Sweet) wrote:
> 
> There is a book called, I believe, "Sexual Choices".  It was the
> result of a survey asking women what made them decide to sleep
> a man.  The result that startled the researcher was the number
> of women who said that the man providing food was the key.
> Not just buying dinner, but actually cooking it and serving
> it up.  One woman slept with a guy who bought her a cart full
> of groceries.
> 
> 
> Lance Norskog


Lance Norskog, unwitting servant of hungry Bay Area women!

Prepare yourselves, ladies, for the onslaught of geeks bearing groceries!

:-)
Newsgroups: ba.singles
From: msmiller@Rational.COM (Mark Miller)
Subject: Re: How to meet women!
Organization: Rational
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:39:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.191933.29147@netcom.com>, madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) writes:
|> 
|> None of these are sure-fire solutions; if you come on too strong, the
|> best quiche in the world won't keep most women in your kitchen.  Take
|> a deep breath, don't invest too much in the outcome; just enjoy the
|> evening for what it is.
|> 
|> We now return you to our regularly scheduled sarcasm.

Sarcasm?

Ok ... here we go ... into "Dice" Mode ...

``
  So's, ya wanna meet some hot chicks, eh? It's all in the attitude and the
  delivery. So, ya go down to the night club and ya scope out a hot chick. One 
  wearin' thigh-boots, a short, black dress so tight that you swear you can
  see the seams about ready to burst every time she breathes, and enough
  lipstick to lube the axle on yer Trans Am. And then you walk over to her and
  whip out yer wad of cash. Make sure there's a hundred on top and about 50
  1's in the middle so it looks real cool. Look over at her like you would
  look at a sirloin steak on someone's plate as you walked through a
  restaurant. Then say to her, real casual like: "Hey baby, can I buy you
  <pause> a drink?" The pause is important. Works every time.

  And you guys wanna know what's attractive in a chick too? Ok. Here goes:
  - Teeth: Look fer nice strong choppers, so's she can open beer bottles fer
    ya. 
  - Hooters: Big and firm enough so's when she's on her back you can stick a
    beer can in there to keep it from tipping over. 
  - Butt: Cheeks should be capable of being used fer cracking walnuts.
  - Legs: Preferably 2 ... shaved.
  - Lips: No open sores.
  - Face: The complexion of an Elite model, the expression of a porn star.
  - Body: No more than 3 tattoos.
  - Brane: Smart enough to send out to buy beer, but not so smart as to tell
    how much is in yer savings account.
''

... Oink.

	-MSM

-- 
________________________________________________________________________
Mark S. Miller                                     msmiller@Rational.COM
"Life is a 4-letter word."                        msmiller@world.std.com
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