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From: jfriesne@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jeremy Friesner!)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: CD Roms readable on a PC ?
Date: 19 Nov 92 10:48:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: sdcc12.41260
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Nov19.001241.19587@nwnexus.WA.COM> pcrayne@halcyon.com (Peter C. Crayne) writes:

>I know somebody with exactly the same setup who tried it. Basically, you
>can read the disk just fine, but ms-dog's file system pukes on the
>filenames. It can only handle 11 characters (8 in the name and 3 in the
>extention), and no spaces. !f you could run an operating system on the
>ms-dog machine that could cope with the filenames, it would probably
>work.
>Perhaps OS/2??



Just out of curiosity, what does MS-DOS do when you try to read
a directory?  Does it hang, or say "directory error", or what?

Jeremy



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From: pejanes@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Peter Janes)
Subject: Re: Wordworth 2 preview (long)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:02:17 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.114518.3048@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun)
writes:
[list of WordWorth 2 features removed]
>The manual seems to be clear and well written, and covers
>a great deal. It is 350 pages. You have to install the program
>from 6 floppies. It has Collins English dictionary and thesaurus
>with hyphenation. You need at least 1.5M ram, and a 2nd drive of
>some sort. Works with WB 1.3, 2 and 3.

But will it do footnotes, endnotes, super/subscript (in both printer font
and program font), tables, etc.?  I know, you haven't used it yet, but is
there any mention in the manual?  If it only drops fonts/graphics when
importing/exporting WP 5.1, there must be a few features you haven't
mentioned (hopefully).

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From: rigby@pyramid.unr.edu (Wayne Rigby)
Subject: Re: recommend good Editor ??
Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 10:33:55 GMT
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Definitely Emacs.  I use this all the time on unix machines and have used
it for 5-6 years now and I'm still finding more and more stuff that's
built in that's amazing.  Some of the more useful stuff are the programming
modes.  There are C, lisp, prolog and probably more modes built in that
will indent the code for you, checks and shows you which opening bracket,
curly brace or parenthesis matches the closing one you just typed,
let's you compile from within emacs, run programs and do things just
as if it was a shell, edit your directories (chmod), name completion of
files, is fast, on most unix boxes, etc.  It can be used as a nice
front end (I have few elisp files that emacs can use to be a nice front
end to telnet'ing. And for ftp'ing, it will work something like AFS which
is an improvement over NFS by letting you cd around in dired mode at the
ftp site and automatically download whatever you want).  It is also fast.
When I downloaded the Amiga version to my friend's unaccelerated A2000HD,
it loaded quickly from the hard drive (10 seconds, max) and worked very
quickly and responsive.  The pull down menus for the Amiga were very nice
to have, and once I created an icon that would run it, things were very
nice indeed.  I wish that the info mode docs and some of the other docs
came with it so I didn't have to download them myself from my unix site.

Go for it if you have the memory (about 2 megs).  It takes a little
while to get going, but once you're comfortable with it, you start
learning quickly!

Wayne Rigby
rigby@cs.unr.edu

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From: easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton)
Subject: Re: Wordworth 2 preview (long)
Organization: Zenith Data Systems, OEM Systems Engineering
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 14:49:49 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.114518.3048@city.cs> lionel@cs.city.ac.uk (Lionel Tun) writes:
>I have just received my Wordworth 2, but unfortunately
>cannot try it out (A3000 still waiting to be looked at
>after 2.5 weeks - thanks to the Commodore Service Centre
>at Wang).
>
>However flicking throught the manual....

[impressive list deleted]

Wow.  This looks great.  Is there a US version?  Where can it be
obtained here in the US?

>Lionel Tun   (lionel@cs.city.ac.uk)

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From: jmarin@messi.uku.fi (Jukka Marin)
Subject: Re: IS XPK SAFE?
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:15:53 GMT
Organization: University of Kuopio, Finland
Keywords: semprini, spam, ni, naught bits, Bruce, llamas

jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999) writes:

>Also,
>   6. Anyone use a tape backup on say XH0: and live to tell about it?

I use XFH on my second machine and backup the underlying EH2: (so, I
copy the compressed files to tape to save space - instead of copying
XH0: or the uncompressed files).  I have had no problems this far.

  Jukka Marin
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From: bloc1469@ee.ee.uwm.edu (Gregory R. Block)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Word processor with equation layout support?
Date: 23 Nov 1992 02:42:55 GMT
Organization: Electrical Engineering Dept. University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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In article <1992Nov21.220047.3300@nic.csu.net> vpopesc@opus.uucp (Valentin Popescu) writes:
>Is there an amiga wordprocessor (WYSIWYG, NOT TeX), that supports
>equation layout? (such as FrameMaker, etc)? I looked at FinalCopy in a
>store, and although they claimed math support, it turned out to be a
>very expensivce calculator. :)   (unless I didn't know how to use it).
>
>So, in other words, I would like to write documents that include
>differential equations, so I would need support for the
>integral/sumation signs. Any help out there? Anyone promising this in
>any upcoming apps?

This isn't going to help you at all.  Hit "n" now.  ;)

I'm an EE student.  The only suitable application I know of to write
diffeq's in (pronounced "diffie cues" around here, kind of like Susie
Q's) ;)  is TeX.

Now, I know that's not a huge help, because you want to be able to
look at what you're doing, right?

That's why I bought AmigaTeX.  It's got what I consider to be the
second-best version of TeX available, the first going to the
NeXT--they were both written by the same folk.  Anyways, in AmigaTeX,
there's a really first-rate preview option.  So I say learn TeX.  For
a long time, I wanted a word processor that would have everything I
wanted.  I gave up, and learned TeX.  It wasn't easy.  However, I'll
never go back.  I'll never regret it.  Though the road is long, once
the road of TeX is taken, the other roads seem to be dirt and gravel
paths.

Greg

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From: gwells@mobius08.math.uwaterloo.ca (geoffrey wells)
Subject: Re: IS XPK SAFE?
Keywords: semprini, spam, ni, naught bits, Bruce
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 05:38:41 GMT

I just got this feed so I'm wondering what XPK is?  If it is a hard disk
compression program I'm VERY interested.  I'm not sure what stage it's in
but I'd be more than happy to give feedback.

Sorry if this has already been talked about.

Regards,
Geoff.

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From: crystal@glia.biostr.washington.edu (Crystal)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Pagestream 2.2 & .iff files guru :<
Date: 22 Nov 92 00:30:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: glia.crystal.722392256
Organization: University of Washington


Does anyone have any clues as to why PageStream is guruing on me?
 
I have 1mg Agnus and 2mg Fast on a 2000.    

I start a new file, with one page and one column.
I click IMPORT GRAPHICS and go to DF1: to pull an small .iff file off of it.
I load it into the picture window because I want to clip a section out of
it for a project that I need to complete within a week.

At this point, one of two things seems to happen:

1) I will setup the cross hairs and put a box around the section I want,
and then not be able to get anything on the pulldown menus to work.  I
can't quit the program from any of the three methods I know about, either.
It just locks up without warning.
  
    or 

2) I will just start to click to pull the box around and get an actual
guru box of "suspend" or "reboot".

I have tried several files, all under 7K, one that is only 2K.

Any clues as to what is wrong?

Thanx in advance...
  Crystal
    ;>
    .
From: ewilts@galaxy.gov.bc.ca (Ed Wilts)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: Final Copy and Super DJ
Date: 18 Nov 92 21:59:23 -0800
Reply-To: EWILTS@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA
Organization: BC Systems Corporation

In article <1992Nov19.015100.15509@nynexst.com>, clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu) writes:
> 
>   I'm still wondering why my husband bought me DJ Helper and Super_DJ
>   as it didn't seem to speed up graphic printing over the default
>   Commodore driver either.  The only thing I was able to do with it
>   was to force ProWrite to print out (in draft mode) other HP internal
>   fonts.  But then the spacing was all off...  Besides nowadays I
>   don't use ProWrite anymore, so both of them are gathering dust.

I did some timing tests on a single document on Super_DJ versus the Commodore
driver within Final Copy II on my A3000.  This is certainly noticeable.

Super_DJ driver:		3 minutes 26 seconds
Commodore driver (HP_DeskJet):	4 minutes 23 seconds

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
From: mhoesing@cwis.unomaha.edu (Michael Hoesing)
Subject: Yet Another DeskJet 500 problem...
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 18:46:30 GMT

 This is one that I don't remember seeing in this group before, so I will
ask it now.  When printing from Professional Page 3.0, the page output is
always cut off at 8" and 10".  That's not the print area, but the actual
cutoff.  This happens both with the Commodore driver and a freely
distributable one.  The problem seems to be that PPage sets the origin to
the upperleft corner of the printed area, not the page.  The FD driver
adjusts for this, but says to set the page size to 8 1/2 X 11, which
PPage does not allow (It allows a max of 8 X 10 ?!).  I can get the upper
left corner to print at the right spot, but getting cut off at 8 X 10
is not acceptable.  Is this a problem with PPage (That's what I am thinking)
or is there something I can do?  (Other than buy a driver)
 
 Thanks!

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From: jgrimm@TorreyPinesCA.ncr.com (Jeffrey Grimmett 9999)
Subject: Re: Programming
Organization: NCR (Torrey Pines Development Center)
Disclaimer: This posting does not necessarily reflect the opinions of NCR.
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 16:09:15 GMT

Quoth kjohnson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Keefer):

]> NAME ME ANY PD OR COMMERCIAL PROGRAMS THAT ARE FULLY SYSTEM-COMPLIANT.

Gee, I don't want to sound too critical here, but that's pretty lame.  I mean,
REALLY lame.  The lamest.  Stinkaroo.  Pee-YOO.

It's like this:  Whether, for instance, WordPervect or Imagine are 100%
system compliant is moot -- they do NOT trash my system.  Both have run on
every machine I have tested them on, as long as the memory requirements were
fulfilled.  On the other hand, 3 out of 4 Amos programs I've used crash and
burn on my 020, my 3000, and my roomie's 500 w/GVP.  Amazingly enough, only
2 out of 4 crash on her 2000.  Must be a fluke.

So call it a matter of degree, if you must.  So far I have NOT been impressed
with what Amos stuff that has passed through my hands.

]> Since no one has done this yet, I can only assume that you know of none that
]> exist.  So quit your bitching.

You probably didn't get any replies earlier as no one feels like expending
the hours it would take to type in the stuff that IS compliant.  But if
you insist, pop in your workbench disk and do a DIR OPT ALL on it.  That's
a good start.

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From: wbennett@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William F Bennett)
Subject: C system ?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 17:25:07 GMT


     I am new to the C world. I have started to explore the fascinating world 
of C with PD software. I would like to obtain a complete system. To my 
knowledge there are three C systems: Aztec C (though I haven't heard much about
this lately) , Lattice C, and SAS C. Would anyone please discuss the merits and
faultsof these with a beginner in mind. Email or net.

                                                  Thanx,
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From: umueller@iiic.ethz.ch (Urban Dominik Mueller)
Subject: Re: IS XPK SAFE?
Keywords: semprini, spam, ni, naught bits, Bruce
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 01:05:31 GMT

In article <BxuICI.IIK@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> gwells@mobius08.math.uwaterloo.ca (geoffrey wells) writes:
>I just got this feed so I'm wondering what XPK is?  If it is a hard disk
>compression program I'm VERY interested.  I'm not sure what stage it's in
>but I'd be more than happy to give feedback.

XPK is a compression library caller interface standard (phew!). It separates
the job of packing data from the application program, so any application
program with XPK interface can use any packer with XPK interface.

As for stacker, yes, there are two Xpk-Filesystems in the distribution,
which come close to stacker in what they do IMHO.

You can get XPK from AmiNet in pub/aminet/util/pack/xpk25*


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From: jepaul@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Darth Jason)
Subject: 16 color icons
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 17:09:17 GMT

o
I am looking for some good 16 color icons.  I have gotten the rmb or something like that.  they are great.  I would like a differtnt style because these are all over that they are repeticious.
From: 2rs9acevedom@vms.csd.mu.edu (Mario Acevedo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: FinalCopy
Date: 15 Nov 1992 21:04:21 GMT
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services
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In article <mark.0wjt@legend.akron.oh.us>, mark@legend.akron.oh.us (Mark E Daniel) writes:
>Why do Amiga users insist on spending $700 just to get something that's
>readable?  I mean, why do we have to buy all these damned add-ons just
>to make the system a little more convient when all that would be necessary
>is a few little system upgrades?  I have a problem with paying for a
>new OS upgrade just to get rid of dead-in-the-water tasks...  That should
>be free.  NoI haven't pirated 2.04 and nor will I do so so don't
>send me mail telling me to go pirate a copy of 2.04.  But the things
>people have to pay for to make an Amiga more useable sometimes seems
>insane.

Well, welcome to the real world, I still think that the upgrade prices are very
reasonable, but there are research costs that need to be covered in order to
make a profit.  Other computer companies ask you for an arm, a leg, and eye and
your genitals in order for the upgrade, then you go through a great deal of
trouble making it work (i.e. System 7.0).

Commodore has offered great deals for upgrading (1000+1000=2000, etc...), other
computer companies don't care if releasing another computer renders your system
totally obsolete.  I think that instead of complaining you should thank
Commodore, because even though I don't think it is the best run company I still
think that they care for the customers, something that other computer companies
(Read Apple, IBM, Intel, etc...) forgot long time ago.

Mario Acevedo -- Marquette University
From: efp90@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Pritchard EF)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Subject: Re: ToolManager and WB3.0
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:27:52 GMT

In <1992Nov12.083932.17141@aston.ac.uk> frostmd@uhura.aston.ac.uk (MD FROST) writes:

>itch@cbnews.cb.att.com (richard.m.brack) writes:
>: 
>: Is anyone out there using ToolManger 2.0 with WorkBench 3.0?
>: After copying TM2.0 from my 2000 (runing 2.04) and installing it
>: on my 4000 something strange started happening.  It seems that
>: TM won't launch any appications that have an 'EXEC TYPE' of 'WB'.
>: I had to change everything to 'CLI' which works ok (except for apps
>: that really need to be launched from WB).  'ARexx' EXEC TYPES work
>: ok too, just 'WB' doesn't.  It seems to try to launch the thing, then
>: I get a displaybeep but no error message.
>: 
>: Hmmmm, if you think I've got something set up wrong I'd love to know
>: what it is...    Anyone else have this problem????
>: 
>: 
>: Thanks for listening!
>: 

>Hmmmmmm, sounds like a missing WBStart-handler to me. Have a look in your l:
>directory.

Hmmmmmm, I found I had to explicitly set the Public Screen field of
both WB and CLI programs to get any windows (i.e. set it to
`Workbench'). I didn't have ToolManager beforehand so I don't know if
this is different behaviour under 3.0 than under 2.04 ...

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From: charro@ee.ualberta.ca (Dan Charrois)
Subject: Printing problems with Post V1.7
Keywords: Post printer postscript
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:48:59 GMT

I am having problems printing postscript files on my standard printer
using Post V1.7.  I've installed the fonts that come with ghostscript
so there's definitely no problem there (I can view my .ps files on the
screen with no problem, and save them to IFFs...)

However, when I try to get post to print my document (typing
post init.ps file.ps) it complains with the message "post: can't get
page buffer".  What exactly does this mean?

If I try postband (calling it like: postband init.ps print file.ps),
it gives me a slightly different error message - namely:
postband: page size not set in preferences.

How can my page size not be set?  This is the first I've ever heard a
program complain about that - I was under the impression that once a
printer driver was selected under preferences, the page size was as
preferences tells you...

If anyone can shed light on this problem, please let me know!

Thanks....Dan
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 11:12:00 -0500 
From: "Alex R.N. Wetmore" <aw2t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: FinalCopyII opinions ?

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.amiga.applications: 19-Nov-92 FinalCopyII
opinions ? by Jim McGrady@cs.curtin.ed 
> Several posters are now using FCII. I'd like to know how it compares
> with FCI in terms of

I haven't used FCI, but here are my opinions of FCII after playing with
it for a while.

> - graphics print speed and quality

The graphics printing was very good on my 9 pin printer (looked as good
as one can expect from a 9-pin at least, and riveled what I have seen as
output by most apps on a 24-pin).

> - font rendering quality

The fonts look very good on paper, and are readable on a 640x400 screen
(interlaced), but are unreadable in any size less then 18-points on a
640x200 screen.  I haven't figured out a way to use bitmap fonts instead
(which would be nice on my 1000).

> - general feel and speed of operation

It seems very slow on my a1000.  If there was a way to use bitmap fonts
instead life would be much better.

alex


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From: adap@edmund.cs.andrews.edu (Edsel Adap)
Subject: Re: FinalCopy
Organization: Andrews University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 20:42:11 GMT

In article <mark.0wjt@legend.akron.oh.us> mark@legend.akron.oh.us writes:
>
>Why do Amiga users insist on spending $700 just to get something that's
>readable?  I mean, why do we have to buy all these damned add-ons just
>to make the system a little more convient when all that would be necessary
>is a few little system upgrades?  I have a problem with paying for a
>new OS upgrade just to get rid of dead-in-the-water tasks...  That should
>be free.  NoI haven't pirated 2.04 and nor will I do so so don't
>send me mail telling me to go pirate a copy of 2.04.  But the things
>people have to pay for to make an Amiga more useable sometimes seems
>insane.
>--
>Mark E Daniel (Keeper of legend) Data/Fax (v.32bis/G3) +1 (216) 825-2747
>Internet: mark@legend.akron.oh.us   UUCP: Yes, why?
>"I know someday you'll have a beautiful life/You'll be the sun in somebody
>else's sky..." - Pearl Jam

You call a total redesign of the Custom chips a minor upgrade?????
Your so called "little system upgrades" amounts to the AMIGA 4000.
Now that's not very cheap, is it, compared to a $700 upgrade?

Tell me what computer company gives free OS upgrades?  (BTW the new OS
does not only get rid of "dead-in-the-water-tasks"

Its a good thing you dont plan to pirate 2.04.  We need to help
commodore get some cash for their effort.  The least we could do is
legally obtain their products if we want to get them.  Besides, 2.04
isn't that great if you don't have all that new hardware.

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