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From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Big Ten News
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:41:16 GMT

I will soon be doing updates for Big Ten basketball (I guess Thursday
would be a good starting time).  If someone has a complete schedule
"on-line" of the 11 teams, please send it.  Also, send me the scores
of the teams' exhibition games, since those don't tend to make my
newspaper.

Anyway, we know that Penn State beat Marathon Oil 95-91, and Purdue
beat Lafayette Hustlers AAU 101-84.  Also, last night Illinois nipped
a Russian club team 100-97.  Marc Davidson was the leading scorer with
19 points.  The Illini trailed by as many as 10 in the first half.  This
same Russian team (actually, I think it is from one of the Baltic states)
was losing 69-60 at Rose-Hulman the other night when its coach pulled
the team off the floor and forfeited the game, citing "bad officiating"...

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From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: 30 sec. clock, 6 fouls, 128 team tourny.
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:01:14 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <matthew.721764806@base.cs.ucla.edu>, matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matth
ew Merzbacher) writes:
>rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes:
>
>>I'd like a 16-team tournament, with no automatic bids at all.  The
>>best 16 teams should go, regardless of what conference they happen
>>to be in (if any).
>
>Two questions:
>
>  1. How do you determine the top 16?  There's been problems with the
>     "top" 64 (in fact, more like the top 55 + 9 automatics that wouldn't
>     be there anyway), but it's very hard for the 56th best team in the
>     country to whine about missing the tournament because they *could*
>     have won another game or two and easily been in.  Not so with #17.
>     The 17th best team in the country usually has only a handful of losses.
>     For example, in 1989 (selected arbitrarily), West Virginia was #17
>     with 5 losses.  Ball State was 19th with 3 losses.  Are you intending
>     to exclude them?  If so, teams like Ball State will *never* make the
>     tourney.  Or would you rather exclude #5 North Carolina (with 8 losses)?
>
>  2. What's wrong with 64 teams?  Why are 16 teams superior?  You say
>     "I'd like to see 16 teams" but give *no* rationale at all.  I'd
>     like an ice cream soda, and a million bucks myself.
>
>Personally, I favor opening the tourney to 256 teams, with 4-team mini-rounds
>played at 64 home sites.  It would give the 64 qualifiers a little extra
>excitement and would create a really nice atmosphere for a week before paring
>down to the 64 team tourney.
>--
>
>Matthew Merzbacher     ARPA:   matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
>Moo - Moo Moo                  UUCP:   ...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!m
atthew
>                               This time, *with* the oys
>
Ok, Here is the deal, shit conferences like the big 53, small 18, Patriot
League and big east (A little Maryland/ACC homerism) get no auto berths.  How
often does Lehigh beat say the Terps.  All the ACC teams could beat these
loser conference winner (well, maybe not clemson).  Why not let the coaches
rank the top 64 or 128 or 516 or 100000 teams or what ever and let them play
for the title.  Or, if you don't want to do this give automatic berths on the
basis of how many teams per conference make it to the second round of the
dance.  Discount matchups where both teams are in the same conference, count
both.  The best conferences have harder schedules for the teams.  On an
unrelated note: Don't let georgetown play St. Leo again. I hate that game.
-- 
MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN
758-0207
MLSA

"I really do appreciate the fact you're sitting here, you're voice sounds so
wonderful but your face don't look too clear so barmaid bring a pitcher,
another round of brew, why don't we get drunk and screw?"- J. Buffett
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From: tsau@cae.wisc.edu (Johne Tsau)
Subject: Re: Wisconsin Loses Exhibition Opener
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Distribution: world 
Date: 21 Nov 92 09:57:41 CST
Keywords: suck, puke, vomit, gag, hurl, airball, Yoder, Billy_Douglass

In article <1992Nov19.111053.22679@dg-rtp.dg.com> foerster@dg-rtp.dg.com writes:
>In article <1992Nov17.225655.8878@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>|> 
>|> Russian National Team:  87
>|> Wisconsin:              81
>|> 
>|> Wisconsin SUCKS!!!  This same Russian team lost to Beloit College in OT
>|> the other night.  And for those of you who want the specific Russian
>|> team this was, they had the name "Samara Eastbay".  I'm not up to snuff
>|> on my Russian Geography, so I'm not sure where this is.  I'll find out,
>|> if anybody really wants to know.
>|> 
>|> Thoughts:
>
>Good thing they "inked" all of those kids before anyone saw them play. Dick
>Vitale picked Wisconsin's class the nations 7th best.
>
>|> (no T-Bone comments here, please!) before they open up with one incredibly
>
>Anyone heard from T-Bone???
>

True, but I think he was talking about Wisconsin's NEXT class, as in
the 1993 recruiting class including Rashard Griffith and a few
others.

--
Johne.
From: humphrey@samsung.com (Ed Humphrey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: UConn news.
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:36:57 GMT
Organization: Samsung Software America, Inc.


  If anyone out there is interested, here's some news on UConn I picked
up on my latest trip there.  

  Recruiting:  UConn has letters of intent from Ray Allen, a 6-4 2 guard
	from Dalzell(?), S.C.  and Kirkland King(?) a 6-7 forward from
	Baton Rouge, LA.  Allen's rated 26 by Gibbons and King is in the
	40's.  Allen was choosing between Kentucky and UConn.  He was
	Calhoun's #1 recruit, but not Pitino's, so he ends up in Storrs.
	LSU put on a late push to get King from their backyard, but he
	seemed to have already made up his mind on UConn.

	A local paper article discussed Calhoun's strategy of staying 
	away from places were he's likely to have little recruiting 
	success, such as N.C., Chicago, Michigan, in favor of other
	areas where the Big East has more of a draw and local schools
	aren't sure things for recruits.

  Practices:  Calhoun threw the whole team out of practice last Friday
	due to lack of intensity.  Saturday they held an open practice
	at the Hartford Civic Center.  8500 attended.  Calhoun seemed
	pleased with the intensity displayed during the scrimmage portion
	of practice.  Burrell, Marshall, and Fair all had 20+ in the
	scrimmage game.

  Starters:  It looks like the lineup will be Toraino Walker, Donyell
	Marshall, and Scott Burrell up front with Brian Fair as the
	shooting guard.  The point guard spot is still a bit up in the
	air, although JuCo transfer Covington "Cup" Cormier seems to
	have the inside track based on his 8 pt. 8 assist, 3 TO performance
	in the scrimmage.  

  Outlook:  Calhoun is talking about trying to run and press more this
	year.  To do so, he plans to go with a 10 or 11 player rotation.
	The Huskies are picked 3rd by most in the Big East in a soft year
	for the conference (IMHO) behind Seton Hall and Syracuse.

  Commentary:  I look for this to be a transition year for UConn.  There
	will be a lot of the sophs and other young players getting more
	PT than last year.  It's going to take a while for these new
	faces to gel with the upper classmen.  If the highly touted sophs
	start to play up to their billings, then this team could be very
	good, otherwise...  This team will live and die by the press.
	That will lead to scoring droughts since their half-court O probably
	won't do much.  This year will be good experience for the sophs and
	fun to watch at times, but I expect a mediocre year by our recent
	standards.

-- 
Ed Humphrey
humphrey@samsung.com/...uunet!samsung!humphrey
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Nat'l Recruiting Update
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:22:56 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC


This is all from Friday.  The biggest news is that St John's snagged 6-8 F
Roshown McLeod away from Arizona.  The Cats were all ready to sign him last 
week, but he really enjoyed his visit with the Redmen, and chose to stay near
home.  The Redmen also signed 6-6 JuCo PF James Scott, who is one of the top
JuCo forwards in the country.
  **St John's was also after 6-7 Alex Fraser of Miami, but the word is that he 
will sign with Nebraska.  This has not been confirmed, but it is likely.**
  **Another uncomfirmed report has Florida St signing top JuCo big man Jamal
Johnson of Pensacola, Fl.  This does seem likely, though.  If all of FSU's 
class qualifies, it's one of the 15 best in the country.**
  **Sylvester "Deuce" Ford of Memphis will probably sign with Memphis St, but
not until spring.  They already signed G Chris Gardner**
  **Penn St has signed 6-3 G Danny Earl, and they're still going after top 100
guard Tom Pipkin.  It is probable that Pipkin will sign with Duquesne, however*
  **Speaking of Duquesne, the Dukes have a great class already.  They signed
6-8 F Chris Walker and 6-8 F Terrell Bridges, and both are top 200 types.**
  **One of the best players in NC, 6-5 Thad Bonaparte, has signed with
Marshall.  No joke.  The Thundering Herd pulled in a great one.**
  **Oklahoma St signed one of the top JuCo centers in the country, 6-10
Ian Phillips.**
  **Lastly, Evansville continues to have a great set of players.  They signed
6-9 F Jeff Layden and 6-5 G Chris Quinn, both top 150 players.**
  Source: Bob Gibbons
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Don't worry about the missed free throw, Christian.  We all make mistakes."
--Richard Nixon to Christian Laettner, after he missed the front end of a 
one-and-one with one second left, playing Arizona
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: acbonin@unix.amherst.edu (Adam Bonin)
Subject: Re: D-3 Basketball
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:32:59 GMT

Matt Ross (mrss_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu) wrote:
: Anybody out there care about the great ball played at the D3 level ?
: Rochester's season starts this friday, and I am in great anticipation of what
: the team will be like after its return to the finals last year.  
: What about other D3 schools ? Does anybody have a poll?
: Or is only D1 ball worth talking about?
: 

Absolutely.  We're all getting set here in the Pioneer Valley for the season
to start for Amherst's "Other" Team, the Lord Jeffs of Amherst College. We
made it to the ECAC semis last year and should contend to win it all this
year, and hopefully should be top-20 by the time it's all over.

I haven't seen any polls yet, though..

Waiting for the LeFrak Attack to start anew...

-adam
----
Adam Bonin '94
Amherst College
acbonin@amherst.edu

"He who accepts evil without fighting against
 it is really cooperating with it."
                   -MLK




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From: doel@bae.bellcore.com (Michael Doel)
Subject: Re: Ohio State Preview (LONG)
Organization: Bell Communications Research
	<1992Nov18.155834.16529@cis.ohio-state.edu>
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:31:35


Mark Atchison writes:

> Jimmy Ratliff (6'9" 211# jr): Well, the summer league rumors are true. Jimmy 
>  has gained a lot of confidence, and probably will remain a starter.  Didn't 
>  hesitate or look bad taking the three, but didn't make any, either.  He is 
>  very agile for a 6-9 lanky kid, but not Magic Johnson-agile.  He is still 
>  doomed to being a tweener.  Not quite agile enough to be a ball-handler,
>  but not strong enough to bang inside.  I hope he gets some big games for
>  us --  Middletown has sent OSU some great ones in the past (hint, hint:
>  Trivia Question: Who? ).

Jerry Lucas in basketball is Middletown's alltime leading scorer (Ratliff is
seventh) and didn't do too shabbily at Ohio State.

Chris Carter made his mark in football with OSU, but he was also all-state
in basketball his senior season at Middletown.  He may be ahead of Ratliff
in the scoring department too.


> My fingers are tired.  Sorry for the folks who didn't give a damn what I 
> thought (probably most of you ;^]), but I wanted to get this out of the
> way... 
> finals are coming up!

Great review Mark.  Those of us stuck in BigEast country need this kind of
stuff from time to time.

--
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444 Hoes Lane RRC 1B-209
Piscataway, NJ 08854

"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat
 and wrong." - H.L. Mencken
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: UNC all-time greats
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:56:23 GMT

In article <BxxK72.4B7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )  
writes:
> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
> 
> >	G - Eddie Jordan 18 (9)  <--- unanimous choice
> >	G - Gerald Ford 14 (7)
> >	F - Steve Worthy 16 (7)
> >	F - Eric Davis 11 (4)
> >	C - Carl Perkins 11 (4)
> 
> 	Bonus points -- just who are the people I named above instead
> 	of all-time Carolina greats?  I'll be really impressed if someone
> 	can name them all...

Shouldn't that be Marlon Perkins?  Jeff Davis? 

--
************* "How about a little fire, Scarecrow?" **************
Orin Day, Code 664.1                    oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov
Hughes STX/NASA       GSFC Laboratory for High Energy Astrophysics
*******"Think that this is NASA's opinion?   NO, NO, NO!!!" ******
From: sjc@cs.purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Women's Basketball?
Date: 19 Nov 92 12:58:59 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Sciences, Purdue University
NNTP-Posting-Host: bredbeddle.cs.purdue.edu
In-reply-to: sms35849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:59:40 GMT

}} In article <BxxrzH.8yE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sms35849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott M. Stortzum) writes:
}} 
}} She
}} wishes to know if all other basketball fanatics hate Women's 
}} B-ball like myself and countless friends.  

I think you're on the losing end of this one.  In general, I find
women's hoops to be better fundamentally, because the women are not as
athletically gifted as the men.  They have to play closer attention to
doing things right.  Yes, it can be agonizing watching them miss shots
you know they should make, but the offensive and defensive schemes are
much more solid than what a Brown/Boeheim/Henson could produce.

This comes from the perspective of someone who's watched a Top 20
program, so perhaps at schools where the coaching isn't up to the
level at Purdue don't exhibit these traits.  Still, much of the big 10
(Iowa, Purdue, tOSU, NWU, Penn State) plays darned good women's hoops.

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
                      I advise that you take his advice.

             "Home is the place where, when you have to go there,
                          They have to take you in."
               			-- Robert Frost, "The Death of the Hired Man"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: An Outrage
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:20:09 GMT

ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP) writes:

>The Utes lost 6 players from last year.  Four of them transfered due to lack
>of playing time.  Also there is question as to the ability of Josh Grant to
>come back after his knee surgery and sitting out  all of last year.  Coach
>Majerus also booted Silas Mills (6'7" forward from Milwaukee) for "team 
>violations" (i.e. skipping class).  Here are the remainder of the Utes:

	Here's a question to U for U Utah fans -- what ever happened to
	super recruit Thomas Wyatt?  I seem to remember he comitted to
	the Utes out of high school (here in Illinois), but I never saw
	what happened to him afterwards (he did sit out his 1st year due
	to Prop 48).  What's the development here?

	Jazzy J

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Purdue scholarships
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Distribution: na
Date: 19 Nov 92 16:04:26 CST

In article <1992Nov18.184453.4326@oakhill.sps.mot.com> duane@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Duane Cripe) writes:
>
><Waddell struggled a bit.  Painter and Darner were pretty much none factors 
><once the game got going. Foster is out of his league, even against the Hustlers.
>I don't mean to sound cold, however, why is Keady granting scholarships to
>Painter & Darner?  I have never been impressed with their play, and I don't
>see how they are going to positively impact the team.

>Duane Cripe
>Austin, TX

Come on, Duane!  Scholarships are not a year-to-year thing.  When you
recruit a player, you essentially promise him a 4-year scholarship.  Sure,
you can encourage them to go elsewhere, or kick them off the team if they
are a bad influence, but geeesh!

Darner does make a positive impact, or at least he has in the past.  When
Purdue started playing better at the end of last year, it was with Darner
at the point guard.  Darner still can shoot at times, and he has the
classic "coach's son" mentality.  He may not be as athletic as the other
guys, but I think he's a good player to have on the team, to get things
going when nothing seems to be working.

Painter, I agree, has not amounted to a hill of beans (only a bit more than
McNary so far :^) ).  He did play well in the 2nd game against IU last
year, which if you remember ended up as an upset win in Mackey.  Without
him, I don't think Purdue would have won that game.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: zawr02@hou.amoco.com (Andrew W. Robinson)
Subject: Re: UNC all-time greats
Reply-To: zawr02@hou.amoco.com
Organization: Amoco
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:30:49 GMT

In article 56995@olivea.atc.olivetti.com, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>In article <BxxK72.4B7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>
>>	Bonus points -- just who are the people I named above instead
>>	of all-time Carolina greats?  I'll be really impressed if someone
>>	can name them all...

>Carl Perkins is the old guy on Mutual of Omahas Wild Kingdom show who
>always hid behind the "protective screen" while his lowly assistants
>tagged the cheetah.

No, no, no!  MARLEN Perkins sat in the helicopter while Jim wrestled the 700 lb
water buffalo.  Carl Perkins threw up on blue swede shoes.
---

Andrew Robinson
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Opinions expressed are solely my own.
From: lpc4@po.CWRU.Edu (Lawrence P. Colucci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: WANTED: Recruiting class rankings
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:05:08 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


What about Ohio State?  I've read in several places that they had
one of the top 10 classes, and usually in the top 5.  Greg Simpson
and Charles "Killer" Macon will both probably start as freshmen this
year... but no one gives them any credit because they're in the same
division as Michigan and Indiana
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Re: Purdue scholarships
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: na
Date: 22 Nov 92 01:59:42 GMT

kellejb2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jeff Keller) writes:

>If a player can transfer of whatever while he is on scholarship (Travis Trice,
>Jay Edwards, Lawrence Funderburke, etc., etc.,) then why shouldn't the school
>be allowed to take them away?

Well, Jeff, because it isn't a symmetric relationship between player and
school.  While a single player transferring has some effect on a school's
basketball team, a team giving the player the boot has a 100% effect on
that player (in terms of basketball at least, and also to an extent
academics).

Understand yet?
--

Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
               		This time, *with* the oys
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
From: matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Exhibition Teams
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:34:56 GMT

I was noticing some of the exhibition teams playing this year.  This is a
partial list, gleaned from today's LA Times scores:

Cities (and the like):
    Melbourne Tigers            Andrew GAZE' team
    Prague                      Jiri Zidek's old team, I think

Countries:
    Cuba
    Ukraine
    Kazakhstan
    Lithuania
    Russian National Team
    Slovenia
    Latvia
    Finland
    French National             The only one not dominated (to some degree)
				by the former Soviet Union.

States:
    Kentucky Sports Crusaders
    Arkansas Express            Bill Clinton's transition team

Companies:
    Marathon Oil                2 teams (at least)!
    Lee Jeans

Military:                       Love to see these two play
    Fort Sill (Oklahoma)
    Army SC, Moscow


Ethereal Objects:
    Spirit Express
    Sons of Blue Angels        What's next "Sons of the Hell's Angels"?

and either Virginia Intermont or C. Bennett.  
I assume C. Bennett is a school and Va. Intermont isn't, but who knows?
--

Matthew Merzbacher	ARPA:	matthew@CS.UCLA.EDU
Moo - Moo Moo  		UUCP:	...!{uunet|rutgers|ucbvax}!cs.ucla.edu!matthew
               		This time, *with* the oys
From: ladytops@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Western KY, Women open season
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:53:13 CST
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY



Western Kentucky ............ 81
Hungarian National Team ..... 65


November 21, 1992.......... at Diddle Arena


The Lady `Toppers began their quest for yet another NCAA birth by defeating the
Hungarian National Team last night.  The Lady Tops have three goals in mind as
they start this season to win 20 games, capute the Sun Belt championship, and
receive a birth into the NCAA tournament.  Last nights game was only an
exhibation but, it was evident to the 2,200 fans, that were present, that the
Lady Tops are taking those goals to heart.

The next exhibation will be on November 29 in Diddle Arena at 2:30 pm (CST)
against Derby City.  The Lady Tops will open the season on December 4 in
Minnesota and will open their home season on December 7, at 7:00 pm against
Washington.

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From: orourke@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Michael O'Rourke)
Subject: Stats on KU-Marathon Oil Game?
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:50:06 GMT

Could someone post the stats from the Jayhawks' exhibition game last
night?  Thanks.

Rock Chalk
orourke@csli.stanford.edu