HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: luigi@next02wor.wam.umd.edu (Luis G. Torregrosa)
Subject: Re: "Greece - An EC Pet" - A Le Monde Article
Keywords: oops!!
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:37:02 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.005116.28234@ennews.eas.asu.edu>  
karadimc@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Anton Karadimce) writes:
> From "Nova Makedonija", April 5, 1992, page 19
> 
> [The article originally appeared in Le Monde, prior to the above date]
> 
> Note: The "Nova Makedonija" translation may be a reduced version 
> of the original "Le Monde" article.
>      
> [reprinted without permission, translated by A.P.K.]
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The anatomy of Greek admission to EC
> 
> GREECE - AN EC PET
> 
> 	To strengthen the young democracy while keeping distance
> from the U.S., which could not prevent the Turkish invasion on
> Cyprus (July-August 1974), Mr. Karamanlis asked for full
> membership in EC on June 12, 1975. In less than 6 years (the EC
> record), Greece became the 12th EC member on January 1, 1981.
>>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^               
> Anton P. Karadimce

	Greece became the 10th EC member. Spain and Portugal did not join  
the EC until January 1st 1986.
--
Luis Torregrosa                     |    "Vergel de belleza sin par,
Mariversity of Unyland              |      son nuestras Islas Canarias..."
				    |      <Pasodoble Islas Canarias>
Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:3502 soc.culture.nordic:2603 eunet.politics:572
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars P. Fischer)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: EC membership of Sweden and Austria, and so WHAT ?
Date: 3 Apr 92 07:56:29 GMT
	<1992Mar25.115746.16013@odin.diku.dk>
	<1992Mar26.105426.19875@ccsun.strath.ac.uk>
	<1992Mar27.105847.1762@odin.diku.dk>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University

>>>>> "Karl" == Karl-Christian Hansen (karl@diku.dk)

Karl> Being in the EEC, Denmark will be governed from Brussels and Strasbourg,
Karl> where the EEC parliament resides. Denmark has 16 representants in the
Karl> parliament, Germany, France and the UK a lot more.

Sure, there are a lot more Germans than Danes. It's called democracy,
Karl. Do you really believe that we will see a consistently united
Germany or UK in the European Parliament? Do you think that Bayern
will never go against Bonn? That Scotland will never be opposed to
London? We'll probably see a pattern of regional interest, shifting
with the subject matter. In many cases Denmark and the northern part of
Germany will have common interest, in other situation we'll associate
with the Swedes (oh, yes, they will join).

Interests will not be constrained by borders. Look at large scale
traffic planning. People in Jutland could very well see a point in
cooperating in Hamburg instead of Copenhagen.

Karl> If other people want to be ruled by Nazis, that is their problem. I don't
Karl> want the problem exported to Denmark. 

Where do "Nazis" enter the picture? Because the Germans are involved?
Can't you come up with something better?

Karl> Also, the EEC is working towards a military union. Excuse me for
Karl> saying so, but that is another issue, I can't support. Denmark
Karl> has had its share of German soldiers in this century.

(pssst, Karl, want a hint? Yes? OK, Karl, listen: NATO!)

Karl> Get it straight. We wanna be us!

OK. Just make sure you stay on that silly island of yours.

/Lars
--
Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of
CS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin
Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:3725 trial.soc.culture.czechoslovak:37
From: jonnya@ifi.uio.no (Jonny Axelsson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,trial.soc.culture.czechoslovak
Subject: Re: Any group for Czech. ?
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:24:07 GMT
        <92091.140752U25177@uicvm.uic.edu>
Reply-To: axelsson@cslab.felk.cvut.cs
Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway
        20:07:51 GMT
To: U25177@uicvm.uic.edu (Jeanette L. Jones)
Originator: jonnya@urd

The problem with trial.soc.culture.czech is that very few nodes have qaccess
t it. Iexpect the best thing to do would be to call for a discussion on a new
group without the trial prefix. The traffic would increease considerably,
especially when the universities here get connected.

Jonny
Xref: sparky soc.culture.europe:3647 soc.culture.yugoslavia:3775
From: albion@bnr.ca (Alan Buchanan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic,eunet.politics
Subject: Re: English OR Esperanto?
Date: 11 Apr 92 18:10:30 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

In article <1992Apr9.182354.14940@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes:
>In article <1992Apr9.124449.7424@sunic.sunet.se> eric@sejnet.sunet.se writes:
>>In article <1992Apr6.210006.21678@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, gd8f@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Gregory  Dandulakis) writes...
>>>   In one or the other way, all the advanced languages initially were 
>>>   artificial creations of the bureaucratic elites to facilitate the 
>>>   large scale transactions.
>>
>>Is that what they teach kids in US schools? :-) Damn. I didn't know the Greeks

>>and Romans had a bureaucracy that took care of teaching the language of their
>>choice to the masses. Learn a new thing every day.
>
>
>Obviousely you didn't know it, but that's the truth.
>
 By any chance are you mistaking the written language for language?
 The spoken language is the one that is of greatest importance for
 this discussion. The English language was being spoken for several
 centuries before it was standardised in written text. Even today,
 written language lags behind the spoken language.



                             Alan
From: czar@hardy.u.washington.edu (Nathan Clement)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Re: modernizing the telephone system
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:14:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr10.171432.12968
Organization: University of Washington

>>Here is a tidbit carried by the Bellcore internal news gathering
>>service: 
>>
>>Helsinki Telephone Co. of Finland recently won a contract to advise a new 
>>local telephone company in Budapest. 
>>***
>>
>>With Helsinki Telephone's involment, there are now 6 or 7 western firms
>>working on the phone system.
>>
>>Did anyone notice any changes so far?

	I understood that in certain areas of BP (around the opera house,
	and presumably the parliament?) had new relays installed, making
	it easier to get additional lines and better service.  Ofcourse,
	cellular phones also appeared, I believe USWest sponsored, a little
	over a year ago, at that time for about HFT 80,000.  I'm told they
	sold out their capacity, but that has probably been rectified by
	now.  It also seemed like more effort was being made to plug up
	the holes in the system, in particular by disabling the broken
	(free) pay phones often used by the frugal for international
	calling.  As Regnery reports, new payphones with digital readouts
	also appeared, around March 1991.


N. C. Clement   czar@silvae.cfr.washington.edu
From: attila@MERLIN.ims.bellcore.com (Leslie A. Walko)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: modernizing the telephone system
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:15:20 GMT
Reply-To: <attila@breeze.bellcore.com>
Organization: Bellcore - IMS, Morristown, NJ

Here is a tidbit carried by the Bellcore internal news gathering
service: 

***
                     Wall Street Journal:New York-NY
                                 04/09/92
                                  P C17

Helsinki Telephone Co. of Finland recently won a contract to advise a new 
local telephone company in Budapest. 
***

With Helsinki Telephone's involment, there are now 6 or 7 western firms
working on the phone system.

Did anyone notice any changes so far?

Leslie A. Walko
From: peter@psy.ox.ac.uk (Peter Foldiak)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: proba
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:21:14 GMT

proba
From: regnery@wpi.WPI.EDU (George Matthew Regnery)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Telephoning Budapest
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:55:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr8.135532.15850
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute


Hello,

I have been trying to call a number in Budapest, and I always get three
differently sounding beeps, one after the other.  The number I dial is:
011 - 36 - 138- xxxx.   The 011 gets me the international lines, and 36
is the code for Hungary.  138 is the prefix, in Budapest.  However, I
heard that numbers in Budapest added a "1" recently.  Do I need another
1?  What do the three beeps mean?  Thanks in advance.

-- 
GEORGE M. REGNERY Worcester Polytechnic Institute '92 Operations Research
I like  investing, international   ** Investitionen, internationale Wirtschaft,
economics, Conservatism and elec-  ** der Konservatismus, und elektronische
tronic music.  I can speak German. ** Musik gefallen mir.  Ich kann Deutsch.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: andrew@bransle.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Draskoy)
Subject: Hungarian Organisations "in exile"
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:29:36 GMT

I recently came across references written several years ago, referring to

	"The Hungarian Alumni Association (in exile)"

headquartered in the U.S.A., and

	"The Order of Vitez" (or something like that)

which appear to be organisations of Hungarians that were not legal in 
under the communist regime, hence the "in exile" business.

Does anyone know what these groups are, and if they are still "in exile"?

Andrew
andrew@bransle.ucs.mun.ca
Newsgroups:  soc.culture.magyar
From: <attila@breeze.bellcore.com>
Subject: email addresses of kollegiums in bp. asked.
Reply-To: <attila@breeze.bellcore.com>
Organization: Bellcore - IMS, Morristown, NJ
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 15:22:25 GMT

In article <KGEIKELB.92Apr6165625@baht.cs.ruu.nl> kgeikelb@baht.cs.ruu.nl (Klaas Eikelboom) writes:
> I mailed before a request for information about Pa'pa because I had to
> organize a journey for a group of twenty students in the neightbourhood of
> that town and I was awarded with a lot of friendly and accurate answers.
> But we decided to visit Budapest too.
> 	Now I heard that in summer it is possible to sleep in the dormitory
> of the universities (the so called Kollegiums) in Budapest. Does someone
> have email addresses of these places, so that I can gather in this way more
> information. 
>                                   
> Thanks  Klaas Eikelboom (kgeikelb@cs.ruu.nl)
> --
> 
>   
>   
>   Met vriendelijke groet
> 
>   Klaas Eikelboom   email:kgeikelb@praxis.cs.ruu.nl
> -- 
> 
>   
>   
>   Met vriendelijke groet

I don't know about e-mail, but some dormitories are definitely available
at very, very modest prices.  My wife stayed at one last year, I'll ask
her about the address, and post tomorrow.  There may be other colleges
as well, so keep looking. 

Leslie A. Walko
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Friday, 10 Apr 1992 12:57:02 EDT
From: <00030929@ysub.ysu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Scouting

Greetings all, from Vajk

 I am having a problem which I hope some of you can untangle.
 Today I tried to read an article called "Scouts and Scouting research project"
and got a message saying "Sorry, this article cannot be displayed".  Further,
it was not on the ftp site I use (lcs.mit.edu).  Does anyone know what this
means?
 Also, I was in Scouting when younger, and would like to follow this particular
thread.  If anyone can forward the text of this posting, I would greatly
appreciate it.

Vajk
Newsgroups:  soc.culture.magyar
From: <attila@breeze.bellcore.com>
Subject: cfd: consolidation of hungarian electronic services
Reply-To: <attila@breeze.bellcore.com>
Organization: Bellcore - IMS, Morristown, NJ
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 15:18:24 GMT

In article <01GIFG00QGM88WW5V4@bcvms.bc.edu> FEKETE@bcvms.bc.edu (Zoli Fekete) writes:

   [...]
>  
> First let me address the three specific points raised and then the general 
> issue Leslie brought up:
>  
> Ad 1) you made me curious what do you mean by gatewaying both directions
>  

What I have in mind is an automatic posting facility.  When a note
comes in to a list-serv, it could be forwarded to s.c.m.  Likewise all
new s.c.m postings could be added to the list-serv distribution at the
end of the day.  This way both list-serv and usenet readers could access
to what is carried by the other media.

> Ad 2) of course it is an issue to consider - Usenet is not coming out of thin 
> air but is using resources of its propagating sites. In most cases the 
> bottleneck is disk space - and my understanding is that newsgroups with high 
> volume *and* limited audience are the most likely to cut back when newsfeed 
> becomes overwhelming. If that happens then your attempt to bring everything 
> to what you conceive "open public access"  actually restricts the s.c.m 
> readership to those having access to the better-off news-services. To provide 
> some sense of the volumes involved I include a statistical sample at the end.
>  
Yes, usenet is not universally available.  This argues for maintaining
list-servs and for building bridges between the two.

	[...]
>  
>  Speaking as another list-administrator I have one proposal on my own and 
> one suggestion for a new group Leslie may want to create. I can arrange 
> regular cross-postings from my list AGORA to s.c.m (and if there's interest, 
> some later time I may be able to work out a system for taking selected 
> articles from Hollosi's services, in case he doesn't want to deal with
  that). 

This would be great!  I'd be happy to vote for it.

> I suppose introducing such an extension to the newsgroup should be voted upon
> similarly to the creation. In my view what Leslie really ought to do in order 
> to have a newsgroup somewhat equivalent in its intented content to FORUM (or 
> the political part of AGORA) is create talk.politics.hungarian - I think the 
> charter of s.c.m hardly fits most of the discussions going on in email! 
> 
Interesting idea.  We could put this to a vote as well.

>  I'd like to get some feedback from readers, especially from those familiar 
> with the nifty details of the net, as to what seems feasible for 
> consolidating the various Hungarian services. If some linking of them looks 
> desirable then I'd administer a vote on the question.
>  
> -- Zoli Fekete

Leslie A. Walko



Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Organization: Youngstown State University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 17:39:48 EDT
From: <00030929@ysub.ysu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: magyar clans

Greetings to all, from Vajk

I know that in the past I have seen the names of 110 clans of Magyars who
entered the Carpathian Basic at The Migration.  I believe it was an article in
German, in a periodical, something like "Ural Altaish Jahrbucher" or something
similar.It also included their "totems".
Does anyone know of this article, or any one which gives the names of the
clans, leaders, where they settled in the Basin, their "totems", etc?
Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Vajk
From: regnery@banzai (George Matthew Regnery)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Re: modernizing the telephone system
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:40:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: wpi.1992Apr9.234007.21369
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute

In article <1992Apr9.161520.26563@walter.bellcore.com> <attila@breeze.bellcore.com> writes:
>Here is a tidbit carried by the Bellcore internal news gathering
>service: 
>
>***
>                     Wall Street Journal:New York-NY
>                                 04/09/92
>                                  P C17
>
>Helsinki Telephone Co. of Finland recently won a contract to advise a new 
>local telephone company in Budapest. 
>***
>
>With Helsinki Telephone's involment, there are now 6 or 7 western firms
>working on the phone system.
>
>Did anyone notice any changes so far?

  Well, you have to dial a one before the number, as several people have told
me :-)

I was in Budapest last summer, and noticed there are two types of public
telephones.  The first is the old kind that costs 2 forints for a local
call, and have dials.  The new ones, such as in downtown off of Vaci
Utca, cost 5 forints.  They have buttons, and little digital readouts that
tell you to insert coins, how much money you have left, etc.  The messages
are in both English and Hungarian.

 


-- 
GEORGE M. REGNERY Worcester Polytechnic Institute '92 Operations Research
I like  investing, international   ** Investitionen, internationale Wirtschaft,
economics, Conservatism and elec-  ** der Konservatismus, und elektronische
tronic music.  I can speak German. ** Musik gefallen mir.  Ich kann Deutsch.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: kgeikelb@baht.cs.ruu.nl (Klaas Eikelboom)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: email addresses of Kollegiums in Bp. asked.
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:56:25 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University, The Netherlands

I mailed before a request for information about Pa'pa because I had to
organize a journey for a group of twenty students in the neightbourhood of
that town and I was awarded with a lot of friendly and accurate answers.
But we decided to visit Budapest too.
	Now I heard that in summer it is possible to sleep in the dormitory
of the universities (the so called Kollegiums) in Budapest. Does someone
have email addresses of these places, so that I can gather in this way more
information. 
                                  
Thanks  Klaas Eikelboom (kgeikelb@cs.ruu.nl)
--

  
  
  Met vriendelijke groet

  Klaas Eikelboom   email:kgeikelb@praxis.cs.ruu.nl
-- 

  
  
  Met vriendelijke groet
From: HIDAS@VIPMZW.Physik.Uni-Mainz.de (PAL HIDAS)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: HELP
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:58:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: VzdmzA.01GILW1G3RKW8WWT6E
X-Unparsable-Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:22 GMT +0100

HELP
From: dietzel@cs.ucf.edu (Richard Dietzel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Hungarian Dictionary/Thesaurus on Disk?
Summary: I need it!
Date: 6 Apr 92 13:56:25 GMT
Organization: University of Central Florida

I am looking for a software program I can use that will allow me to translate
(if possible) between English and Hungarian (both directions).  Has anyone
heard of any possibilities?  If so, can you give me a brief description of
what it can do, where I can get it, and what problems you have had with it?

At the very least, I need it to perform functions similar to WordPerfect 5.1s
Thesaurus.

Whatever suggestions you have for this software availability - please let me
know if it is compatible on IBM machines (I have a Tandy 3000NL IBM 100%
compatible).  

Thanks for your help!!!!

My next toy will be no doubt be a CD player.  Heard of any CD with multiple
language dictionary/thesaurus contents I can accomplish my translation/look
up needs?

Thanks for any assistance

Richard A. Dietzel
dietzel@eola.cs.ucf.edu
From: czar@hardy.u.washington.edu (Nathan Clement)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: info starved
Summary: can anyone post BP news briefs?
Keywords: news
Date: 10 Apr 92 17:46:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Apr10.174627.16378
Organization: University of Washington



For practical purposes, s.c.m. is my only timely contact with events in
Hungary.  Any chance someone with more information than me could post
weekly briefs on newspaper topics?  

I realize this is _soc_culture_, but but but....


N. C. Clement     czar@silvae.cfr.washington.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: kornai@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Andras Kornai)
Subject: Re: Hungarian Organisations "in exile"
Organization: Stanford University CSLI
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 23:16:54 GMT

In <1992Apr7.172936.22217@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> andrew@bransle.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Draskoy) writes:

>I recently came across references written several years ago, referring to
>	"The Hungarian Alumni Association (in exile)"
>headquartered in the U.S.A., and
>	"The Order of Vitez" (or something like that)
>which appear to be organisations of Hungarians that were not legal in 
>under the communist regime, hence the "in exile" business.

If the "Order of Vitez" is the same as "Vite1zi Rend" they were just
denied legalization in Hungary on the basis that their charter
explicitly forbids having jewish members. They are an organization 
of decorated war veterans and yes, there were quite a few patriotic
Hungarian jews who got decorated in WWI and perhaps even in WWII.

Never heard of the Hungarian Alumni Association -- are these people
who got their university degrees in Hungary? If so, it is unclear why
they should still be "in exile" unless, of course, their charter fails
constitutional scrutiny. Being a Hungarian alumnus, I'd be interested
in finding out more. 

Andra1s Kornai
From: peter@loki.une.edu.au (Peter Radonyi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Usernet contacts at Semmweis Uni
Keywords: usernet, medical schools.
Date: 12 Apr 92 03:07:02 GMT
Organization: University of New England - Northern Rivers, (Lismore)

Hello,

I am looking for usernet contacts at the two Medical Schools in Hungary,
The Semmelweis and the one in Szeged which I do not know the name of, or 
at the Eotvos Lorrand Natural Sceince University. I had studied at the Eotvos
in 1982 in the School of Computing and Numerical Analysis. I went back last
year in July 1991 and the School had moved to the Mo Egytem. My time was short
so I didn't have time to find it. 

My written Hungarian is less than Primary School level, although I can
quite comfortably read in Hungarian. If you wish to reply in Hungarian,
thats fine, however I will reply in English.

I look forward to hearing from you down under.


Kind Regards,


Peter Radonyi


University New England - Northern Rivers.
(AUSTRALIA).
From: attila@breeze.bellcore.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: hungarian organisations "in exile"
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:39:27 GMT
Reply-To: <attila@breeze.bellcore.com>
Organization: Bellcore - IMS, Morristown, NJ

In article <1992Apr7.231654.26567@Csli.Stanford.EDU> kornai@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Andras Kornai) writes:
> In <1992Apr7.172936.22217@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> andrew@bransle.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Draskoy) writes:
> 
> >I recently came across references written several years ago, referring to
> >	"The Hungarian Alumni Association (in exile)"
> >headquartered in the U.S.A., and
> >	"The Order of Vitez" (or something like that)
> >which appear to be organisations of Hungarians that were not legal in 
> >under the communist regime, hence the "in exile" business.
>
	[...]

> Never heard of the Hungarian Alumni Association -- are these people
> who got their university degrees in Hungary? If so, it is unclear why
> they should still be "in exile" unless, of course, their charter fails
> constitutional scrutiny. Being a Hungarian alumnus, I'd be interested
> in finding out more. 
> 
> Andra1s Kornai

This may be the magyar O2regdia1k Szo2vetse1g --or Alumni Association in
English.  It was formed about 1957, by Hungarian exiles for the purpose
of education and opposition to Communism.  They are still around, still
sponsor educational and cultural activities.  As far as I know, they
have become a legal organization since the fall of Communism.

If you want to get in touch with them, call the Hungarian Human Rights
Foundation, 212-289-5488.  HHRF would know where the Alumni Association
offices are.

Leslie A. Walko