From: dauber@sgi.com (Jeff Dauber)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,alt.individualism,alt.activism
Subject: Re: On Banning Private Discrimination
Date: 23 Jul 92 17:46:47 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <1992Jul23.170026.13716@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:

>gs> Basically, just because I'm a white het male doesn't mean you can tar me
>gs> with the same brush as you do other individuals who happen to be white,
>gs> het, and male.
>
>jd> I don't think that white heterosexual males are inherently bad people.
>
>  That's not the impression I've gotten from your posts. You seem to think
>  that there is something inherent in SWMs that makes them bad/evil. Other-
>  wise, since some of them are in power, why are things so messed up?

This is something that you are reading in.  Nothing more.


>jd> I just think that they have much less understanding of discrimination than
>jd> any other group.
>
>  I'm sure Jewish SWMs are coolly laughing at this one. Individuals have an
>  understanding of discrimination, not groups, anyway.

As a jew, I can say that I have received much more discrimination because
of my homosexuality than because of my judaism (though I have been
discriminated against for both of them).

straight white jewish males do not receive a lot of discrimination in this
country.



>jd> I'll tell you something that you are not going to like, and I bet that 
>jd> almost any woman or gay man you ask will agree with me:
>jd>   There is one group of people who frighten me more than any other (if 
>jd>   I see them on the street, I will get the fuck into a safe place):  
>jd>   heterosexual males between the ages of 16 and 25.
>jd> Do you fall in that group?  
>
>  No. Do you include non-white young males in your grouping of Bad People?

I am not saying "bad people", that is your term.  I know a lot of people who
have been gay bashed, and a lot of women who have been raped.  All of them
have been attacked by people in this group.  If I see a carload of white
(or black or latino) males driving towards me on the street, I get the fuck
out of the way.  They are the people who have tried to run me down, they 
are the people who have put my friends in the hospital, they are the people
who have raped my friends.  They are not all bad, not in any sense, but
as a group, they are the ones who I am afraid of.


>jd> Do you understand why I am afraid of them?
>
>  To an extent. BTW, how do you know that they're hets? If hets can't tell
>  who is and who isn't gay, how can gays tell who is and who isn't het? 

Because we have been raised all our lives to recognize who is safe vs who
is dangerous.  As a gay man who did most of his sexual development in michigan,
I learned to recognize a gay man, because propositioning the wrong person
could put me in the hospital.  Telling the wrong person could get me "outed"
which was a concern in high school.  You learn to recognize certain gestures
and appearances as a matter of survival.  It is fairly simple.  I can not tell
100% who is gay, but I can recognize a dangerous group of straight men at
100 paces, I guarantee it.


>  BTW, this particular group of het males has as little influence with the
>  SWMs that form the bulk of the power elite as you do. Why do you suppose
>  that they are to be feared? Perhaps because the power elite screws them
>  over as bad as anyone else, even though they happen to be het and male?

Because society has told them that faggots are subhuman and therefore they
are okay to kill.


FWA
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