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From: twiggy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Why I would fail Calculus at Starfleet Academy...
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 15:47:18 GMT

Ok....

Picard sez he graduated from Starfleet class o' 23.
Data sez he graduated from the class of 70.

What class is this one that is graduating now.

What is the class Weasly is graduating from?

and finally,

how old does that make Picard?

Inquiring Pilots wanna know...

twiGGy

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From: bwf@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (bernard.w.fecht)
Subject: Re: Short comment on wesley (yuk)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:37:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr6.045603.7519@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> molin@crs.cl.msu.edu (Michael Olin) writes:
>
>If Riker won't take a captain's position, then the show HAS to have
>an upcoming promote-able.  Maybe Crusher will show up in Deep Space?

Ah, just the openning I"ve been looking for...

Sorry, I may have missed this discussion, but WHY did Wil Wheaton
leave the series (ie. why is Wesley at Star Fleet?)  Seems to me
that, with only a year or so left of the series, they could have
stretched the "why isn't Wesley at SF yet?" excuses a bit more.
Did Wheaton ask to leave?  Or maybe they offered him a part in DS9?
Thanks...
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From: REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer)
Subject: Re: Star trek and psychology
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 20:05:45 EDT

In article <scve8INN7c9@agate.berkeley.edu>
lgauvin@sag4.ssl.berkeley.edu (Lisa Gauvin) writes:
 
>
>emotions.  All we could come up with are:
>
>1.  obsessive/compulsive:  denial of emotions, emphasis on thinking and order,
>hard working, very responsible, not a risk taker.
 
I don't believe that denial of emotions is characteristic of obsessiveness and
compulsiveness.  Indeed, patients with the psychiatric illness obsessive
compulsive disorder (OCD) often have intense and disturbing emotions that are
impossible to deny.
 
         The emphasis on thinking and order, and the sense of responsibility
does fit in with the classical definition of a compulsive personality. Even
so, I still can't see Spock fitting into this category.
 
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From: egolf@tesla.ecn.purdue.edu (Stephen R Egolf)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: TAS
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:05:45 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

jmartine@zeus.calpoly.edu (Joe Martinez) writes:

>Hello, I'm new to this newsgroup, and I have a couple questions:
>I've figured out that TOS is the old series, and TNG it the new generation,
>but what in the world does TAS stand for?

TAS stands for The Animated Series.  After the live-action show
was cancelled, someone had the bright idea to do an Sat. morning
show using the original characters.  Aired during the 70's

>This Deep Space 9 thing? Is it a continuation of ST:TNG, with the same
>characters, or is it something totally different?

It is a new show set in the ST:TNG universe, but is unrelated to the
Enterprise-D adventures.

Steve

Stop that right now!!  Don't you know if you read sigs. you'll go blind  
and grow hair on your palms!!
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Occurance of 18 in ST: TNG
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:50:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux1.1992Apr14.205046.16604
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

In article <1992Apr14.193722.6504@acsu.buffalo.edu> v070p6nd@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Anthos) writes:

>Bob, Lt. Commander is 2 pips, just like Lt. Commander Data and Lt. Commander
>LaForge.  That keeps it at 18.
>
According to standard navy practice, it would be called 2.5.  If she only
had two she'd be a lieutenant.

Picard  4
Riker   3
Crusher 3 
Troi    2.5
LaForge 2.5
Data    2.5
Worf    2
O'Brien 2
Ro      1
Weasel  1
---------
Total   23.5

Rounding, you get 24 which, as we all know, is 18 in hexadecimal.
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From: arxt@quads.uchicago.edu (Aidan Palmer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Occurance of 18 in ST: TNG
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:01:49 GMT
Reply-To: arxt@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


	In article <1992Apr12.175627.221551@cs.cmu.edu>, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu
(Matthew Gertz) wrote, "What's an I.Q?  How do I send away for one?  Is this
mentioned in the FAQL?"
	And how do you spell it?

	--The Midwesterner
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Kirk and the Kobayashi Maru (was Re: Locarno = Kirk)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 21:54:45 GMT

zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell) writes:
>clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:

[long series of details about "Obsession" deleted for brevity]

>>   So to some extent, he did avoid this no-win situation.  He kept this
>>guilt for the umpteen years and blamed himself and then blamed
>>the red shirt as well.  The only reason he was able to get over this
>>obsessive behavior was that it really wasn't his fault, so he was
>>let off the hook.  Actually, the episode is probably a good example of
>>this never-say-die attitude having negative effects on Kirk.

Good point.  See, there's more than just the Kobayashi Maru backing this 
up...

>But isn't that what makes characterization good? Showing the flaws as well as
>the good points? You're never going to have the perfect captain.

No argument here.  I haven't seen anyone arguing this flaw somehow makes
Kirk a bad character (quite the contrary in my case; it's one of the only
things I like about watching the poor guy :-) ), but the argument seems to
be over whether the flaw actually exists or not.

Tim Lynch
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From: petersm@jacobs.CS.ORST.EDU (Marguerite Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek
Subject: Communicator Pin Gets Job
Date: 12 Apr 92 09:57:55 GMT
Organization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon.

No this isn't about the new Communicator Pin nor is it about a new
episode.  However, I am so pleased that I have finally found a job
that I just had to post this note.  It does relate to Star Trek so
please don't jump on me.

I had been unemployed for nearly 17 months and was beginning to
think that there was no hope.  I started wearing my ST communicator
pin on my suit every time I went on an interview.  I wore it mainly
to remind myself to "go boldly forward etc."  Most people never
noticed it and no-one commented on it.  Until the last interview
I went on.  After the interview was over, the woman who had been
interviewing me asked me about my pin.  I told her what it was and
that I was indeed a Star Trek fan.  She then told me she and her
boyfriend were also fans and had recently been to OMSI and had
enjoyed it.

I received a call from her two days later and was offered the job.
Now before you say there is absolutely no connection I have to
mention that *everyone* in this particular office is a Star Trek
fan.  I didn't even know there were that many of us in this town!
I start on Monday and I'm looking forward to working with this
great group of people!

I hope I haven't bothered anyone with posting this but I just
had to say it.  I think Star Trek fans are some of the greatest
people around!

I now return you to the regular flame wars.

Marg
petersm@jacobs.cs.orst.edu
a.k.a. Elvira
From: crow@coos.dartmouth.edu (Preston F. Crow)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Why New jersey?
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:37:11 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

It's been a while, but isn't New Jersey the setting for Bucaroo Bonzi?
Considering that there have been a number of Bucaroo Bonzi jokes in
ST:TNG, I wouldn't be surprised if that's why NJ shows up with
unusuall frequency.

(Why wasn't "New Jersey" the clue for Cause and Effect?)

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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Really bad TNG episodes (was Re: 3 more reviews)
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:56:11 GMT

intertxt@network.ucsd.edu (Jason Snell) writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.002347.23394@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:

>>If we want to gauge "badness" by sheer unpopularity, then Jason Snell 

>At this point, I was filled with fear... but then...

Not to mention having your lungs aching for...oh.  Sorry, wrong group.  :-)

>Qpid, the Royale, Justice, and The Loss (and Atsushi's beloved "Lonely Among
>Us") all placed in the top 10 worst shows. But they weren't #1...

[..]

>POLL OF HATE: The ten worst shows.

> 6. (tie) "The Loss" (Fourth Season)
> 4. "The Royale" (Second Season)
> 3. "Justice" (First Season)
> 2. "Q-pid" (Fourth Season)
> 1. "Shades of Gray" (Second Season)

I still don't understand this, at least not entirely.  SoG was a pretty
poor piece of work in a lot of ways; the frame story was a real no-brainer,
and the fact that they had to do a clip show in the first place was a big
problem.

But if you turn your brain off and let the images *during* the clips zing
by you, it has its moments, IMO; particularly the last set of clips.

It's probably not a technique that works for everyone; after all, I've had
a few people tell me to watch "The Royale" as a parody.  (I've tried; it 
still doesn't work.  :-) )  But it's a thought.

Tim Lynch
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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Subject: Re: Kobyashi and Kirk
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:00:21 GMT

kyle@uunet.uu.net (Kyle Jones) writes:

>ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz) writes:
> > Then he said, "Enough is enough!  I'm going to beat this *$#*%
> > thing!!!"

>tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
> > See?  I don't think he acknowledged the validity of a no-win
> > scenario if his reaction was "f*** it, I'm going to find a way
> > to beat it."  He took the test three times; he learned
> > nothing.

>Maybe he was sick and tired of taking the same test.  

Undoubtedly, but there's no reason he had to in the first place, from all
appearances.

>Sure
>everybody has to lose sometimes, but that doesn't mean you have
>to like it.  Once was enough!

Kyle, there's nothing to indicate that "losing" in the KM test required you
to retake it.  In fact, it obviously doesn't, since you CAN'T win.  There's
nothing to suggest that Saavik wasn't going to be able to graduate after her
performance on the test.  Presumably, Kirk took it once, lost, and couldn't
deal with that fact.  Rather than saying "well, the hell with that damn 
test" and living with the fact, he said "there can't be a no-win scenario; 
I'll keep taking the test until I beat it."

Tim Lynch
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Subject: Re: Star Trek's Classics - Top 10 List
Date: 14 Apr 92 21:03:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <29EB20B4.23524@noiro.acs.uci.edu>, cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes...
>Rather predictably, I disagree.  Shatner mellowed much more in the
>movies.  He seemed aware of the caricatures of his performance inthe
>series and tried to quiet down a bit.  That one long scene between him
>and Carol in the Genesis cave was wonderful, as was his little
>chin-on-the-rail bit at the end of TWoK.  Numbers three and four I'm not
>too fond of, but I think he did wonderfully there, too.  Five never
>happened, so I can't say anything about it, right?
>Six was a little return to the ways of the old series, but I still think
>he didn't ham it up as much.  Watch the bit with him making that log
>entry about not being able to forgive the Klingons, and then watch the
>cheesy scene in _The Naked Time_ where he moons over the ship like a
>lover and tell me he was better in the series!

Part of the difference is in the script and director. Remember, Shanter
helped directors out during the time of the show.  He conviced him to
let be Over-active(if I may slaughter this word.)
Shatner was not a bad actor, it is just when he was given a chance, he
would over-act. I would cosider him a capable actor, if you have the right
director.

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From: jsblau@panix.com (Jonathan Blau)
Subject: Re: Stupid Question re #6
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 13:40:14 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley) writes:

>hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
>:)Chekov said "The universal translator would be recognized."  The book claims
>:)that the traitor erased the Klingon language from the computers, but this
>:)isn't official.

>Wouldn't that sort of contradict the purpose of the universalality of
>the universal translator? (Did I just make up this word?) I mean, isn't
>it created so that it can transalte languages that are unknown?

Yes, I think that's true, but the UT has never been satisfactorily
explained (in TOS, TFS or TNG, at least that I can remember) to make
all of the references to it clear.  It is implied in both ST VI and
TNG ("Darmok") is that it is always used to enable communication
between races.  However, in the TOS episode "Metamorphosis", they use
a hand-held UT (which Spock modifies to communicate with the cloud
creature).  That episode gave me the impression the UT was only used
on special occasions.

The (cinematic) answer is that the UT is used as a plot device only
when it will add to the story in some way.  For example, in the scene
in VI under discussion, just saying the traitor broke the UT would've
been more consistent with the ST universe.  However, the scene was
much funnier the way it was played.  Personally, I liked the comic
twist.

Any yes, you did just make up that word, but I like it.  According to
the Random House 2nd Edition (unabridged), the word is "universality".
-- 
Jonathan Blau        jsblau@panix.com      cmcl2!panix!jsblau
From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Series' beginnings
Date: 15 Apr 92 19:37:07 GMT
Article-I.D.: bnlux1.1992Apr15.193707.26606
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973

In article <1992Apr13.223023.6080@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>intertxt@network.ucsd.edu (Jason Snell) writes:

[discussion of "Encounter at Farpoint"...] 

>[Oh...shows I'd put well below EaF?  How about "Justice", "Haven", "Home
>Soil", "Menage a Troi", "Devil's Due", "Qpid", "Disaster" and "The Outcast"
>for off-the-top-of-my-head examples? :-) ]

Devil's Due and Disaster "well-below" EaF?  Never!  EaF was, after all,
a very blah start to the series.  The acting was stilted and wooden, and
the lines they gave the cast...aauugh:     

Troi: Farpoint Station...even the name sounds mysterious. [spoken with
far away look in her eyes]

or, how about:

Picard: Turn off that damn noise!! [in reference to the red alert
klaxon]

or, the ever-popular

Troi:  I feel great pain/joy/warmth/happiness.

I _liked_ Devil's Due.  Never understood why it was so hated by the
majority of the net.  Even if I were to look on it with as critical an
eye as most, I would still find it light years beyond EaF.

True, Disaster was a cliche Irwin Allen-type episode.  True, it's not
the greatest episode of all time, but below EaF?  Again, I say nay.  The
acting was fine (can't say that about EaF) and Worf even managed some
pretty good humor scenes.

>>show's only satisfying bits are the introductions to the characters
>>(Picard/Riker, Bev/Wes, Bev/Picard, Riker/Data) and the Data/McCoy scene.
>
>Agreed.  But I find those bits satisfying enough that it brings EaF above
>the "unmitigated crap" line by far.

Yeah, I wouldn't call EaF "unmittigated crap" either.  I'd reserve that
category for "Home Soil", [the drug-addict episode] and the hands-down
winner, the TNG version of Spock's Brain..."Galaxy's Child".  At least
Spock's Brain is campy enough that you can get a good laugh out of the
women in the bathing suits and Spock's voice emenating from the
communicators.  Y'know, I might actually watch it if it appeared on my
screen. GC?  I'd rather watch "Match Game '77".

>
>Tim Lynch


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From: jkramer@sunwise.UWaterloo.ca (Viscous Pig Dog)
Subject: Re: Kirk and the Kobayashi Maru (was Re: Locarno = Kirk)
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:13:07 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.215445.4837@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell) writes:
>>clin@eng.umd.edu (Charles Lin) writes:
>
>[long series of details about "Obsession" deleted for brevity]
>
>>>   So to some extent, he did avoid this no-win situation.  He kept this
>>>guilt for the umpteen years and blamed himself and then blamed
>>>the red shirt as well.  The only reason he was able to get over this
>>>obsessive behavior was that it really wasn't his fault, so he was
>>>let off the hook.  

Re read that last sentence. I think that fits the definition of a no-win
scenario: 

Kirk, when he was a leiutenant was in a situation where nothing he 
could have done would have saved the day. For years he thought that 
it was his fault. He then realizes that he couldn't have done 
anything, it wasn't his fault, it was a NO WIN
SCENARIO. The reason he got over his obsessive behavoir was that
he finally realized that he had been in a no-win situation and realized
what the FULL implications of such a situation really are.

>>>Actually, the episode is probably a good example of
>>>this never-say-die attitude having negative effects on Kirk.

Nope, I think it was a good example of Kirk realizing that there are situations
where nothing one does will do any good.

>
>Good point.  See, there's more than just the Kobayashi Maru backing this 
>up...

Nope, there isn't :)


Jeff Kramer.

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From: cortese@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: 3 more reviews (JUSTICE ... HIDE & Q)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 16 Apr 92 23:01:11 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.201354.10589@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) writes:
>>>kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:

>>>>HIDE AND Q
>>>>----------
>
>>and the "let's grant some officers their greatest wishes" scenes, 
>
>Most of which I liked, thank you very much.
>

My boyfriend saw this for the first time very recently, and he imagined
Riker looking at Picard and saying, in this corny french accent,
"Jean-Luc, Ah know wot yew wahnt," snapping his fingers, and giving
Picard hair down to his ankles.

Well, *I* liked it . . .

Regards,
me
 

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From: Erica Seiffert <seiffe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Star Trek's Classics - Top 10 List
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:50:37 -0500

In article <1992Apr13.223618.6365@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>kanamori@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Atsushi Kanamori) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr12.230509.28946@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
>
>[on "City on the Edge of Forever"]
>
>>>>That scene was supposed to be goofy--I was laughing, which was the intended
>>>>effect. As you said, I *did* feel Kirk's emotions at the climax as well as
>>>>his feelings for Ms. Keeler -- there's no way I would have felt that if
>>>>Shatner hadn't been doing something right.
>
>>>      He was doing something right.  He was being Kirk.  Part and 
>>>      parcel of Kirk is BAD ACTING.  
>
>>Oh come on -- you're defining "bad acting" as "the kind of acting that Kirk
>>does". 
>
>Change it from "Kirk" to "Shatner" and you're pretty well on my definition,
>too.  :-)
>
>I think Shatner was pretty miserable in *general*, but I have to disagree on
>"City".  It, the portrayal of the normal Kirk in "Mirror, Mirror", and "The
>Trouble with Tribbles" are really the three places in TOS where I remember
>wholeheartedly liking the man's acting.  The "ricepicker" bit was probably
>the weakest of the episode, but Kirk's final muttered, "Let's get the hell out
>of here" is one of TOS's strongest moments I can think of.
>
>>Sure, Kirk is showy and flamboyant -- that's the kind of man Kirk
>>is and if he succeeds in projecting the emotions I'm supposed to be feeling,
>>it's in no way "bad acting".
>
>I disagree.  Acting, to me, is not supposed to hold up a sign saying "Feel
>THIS emotion now!"  It's got to be a bit better than that.  You've pointed 
>out places before where Stewart manages to get the point and the emotions
>across without being forced (some quite recently), and I agree.  Shatner
>rarely if ever managed it, IMHO.
>
>Tim Lynch

 My personal point is that Shatner's poor acting is so much apart of
Kirk, that we might not recoginize him played any other way. *smile*

City on the Edge of Forever, though, was a rare time when Shatner seemed
to understand the concept of acting and not simply "playing an emotion."
It is also the only thing that I've ever seen that Joan Collins could do
anything that resembled acting. *smile*

Erica 
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