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From: bulwinkl@stein.u.washington.edu (In Cognito)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Something REAL to angst about!
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:44:54 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle


	OK, angst-heads, so you think you've got it bad NOW?!!!

	Did any of you watch the debates last night?

	Do any of you know what habeas corpus is?  (Bush said he
	wants to get rid of it - and make it easier to execute us.)

	Do any of you know what "Weed & Seed" and "Enterprise Zones"
	are??  (In a nutshell, they're using our tax dollars to
	force people to work for less than the minimum wage.  Our
	money goes to hire the special police forces and programs
	to do this.  This also includes bringing those areas under
	federal jurisdiction.  I'm not sure if the companies also
	get tax breaks for doing business there - don't remember -
	am checking into it.)  All three top candidates are for it.

	Then there's gun control (they all support that, too.)
	This would make it easier to run those "Enterprise Zones",
	I'm sure.  I wonder if they could find reason to execute
	someone for *having* an illegal gun??

	No, this isn't paranoid rantings.  This is scary reality.

	Of course, don't listen to me.  I'm just a bow-head.  I
	actually _wore a bow_ last week.  It was really cute.
	See, I put my hair in a french braid, then curled the braid
	up into a loop on back of my head and held it there with
	a bow...      		 8-P
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: mouths, hygiene, darkness in the middle of town
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:40:10 GMT
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <1992Oct9.173820.23815@infodev.cam.ac.uk> mrf12@cus.cam.ac.uk (Marcus Frean) writes:
>
>Anyway, it's friday night, it's going to rain, the whole universe
>(well...) except for me and marmoset@Philadelphia
Bah!....and me :(....

>What's it like in Philadelphia then?
>marcus.

Dunno...but it was raining here...
---Steve
-- 
Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
"You see, I'm kind of this control freak who likes to create his own
personal hells before the real one can get to him. I like to beat hell
to hell so to speak".--Spalding Gray "Monster in a box"
From: machala@spdc.ti.com (King Mosher)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Angst music
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:43:08 GMT
Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center

gmkoenig@acsu.buffalo.edu (Gerson V Koenig) writes:

>After listening to Psycho Killer too many times, I've become convinced David 
>Byrne is hiding in my room, laughing maniacally and playing evil guitar riffs.

>Gerson

Psycho killer is wonderful. another good one is the police, 
"I Can't Stand Losing You".

I can't see the point in another day
when nobody listens to a word I say.
You could call it lack of confidence
but to carry on living doesn't make no sense.

--

     Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

Chuck Machala-Semiconductor Process and Design Center-Texas Instruments/Dallas
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: dennis@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Thomas A. Dennis)
Subject: Re: I quit
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:53:14 GMT

In <1992Oct6.174617.25798@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> 
jlewis@astro.as.arizona.edu (Jeff Lewis) writes:

>I guees the time has come for me to face reality, life is
>never going to be what, or how I hoped it would be.  A fact of life?
>I am convinced that there are forces at work that know
>if there is the smallest possiblity that I might be happy or
>even marginally content and work to destroy that possiblity
>long before I have a chance.
>So I probably should just give up now...before there is a chance
>that I might have a glimpse of possible happiness...because
>if I get that glimpse...I know it will be removed from my 
>reached without hesitation..
>So..to all those agents of misfortune out there - fuck you..I am
>going home..I don't want to play anymore...you win...

>Jeff <- The "JOKE" a minute guy

>ObQuote - "To pick a rose..you ask your hands to bleed."

So long, farewell, auf wiedersehn, goodbye.  Say hello to Mom and Dad
when you get to the other side.
--

Tom Dennis                    |  I looked into the abyss,
dennis@alexia.uiuc.edu        |    and the abyss looked into me--
tadg0614@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu     |      and we both winked.
From: llama@pooh.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel's Us
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:46:57 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


From: smithy@kenyon.edu

: I often feel like I have the same problem, of not be able to find
: any man interested in me.  It sucks, but it is not always so.  Someone
: did become interested in me and I don't like him.  then I'm faced with
: the same problem in reverse of how to avoid a relationship with some
: one you don't want , when you reallly do want someone to love.  lame.

for me, it's always been a sort of pride thing; i could maintain that
i obviously wasn't desperate yet because i wasn't pursuing x, who was
makinginterested noises. it really sucks when you're hanging out,
lonely, wanting to be with someone, and you realize that if you just
weren't so damned picky, if you'd just give up this idea of a grand
passion, you could be.

--
sine/deb
"we've been through faith breakdown/ self hurt/ plastics collections 
self help self pain yes/ psychics fuck off/ i was central/ i had control
i lost my head/ i need this.../ crazy, all the lovers have been tagged
hotline wanted ad/ crazy what you could have had" -- rem
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: ballms@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (BALLMS)
Subject: music
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: music
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:36:00 GMT

well ive been discontinued for a while,, but wil contains
some poison on some net a wheres.
MUsic
WHITE ZOMBIE:  la sexcorcisto,, devil music vol one.  geffen records.
CONTROLLED BLEEDING: early releases,,  knees and bones is good.

latahh, you ripe juicy tomatahs. 
z
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Time for a Coup, Everybody!
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:07:41 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <92286.081311IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET> IDJMW@ASUACAD.BITNET writes:
>Not only do I have the marshmallows, ready for a coup, but I'm somehow enjoying
> much more than is necessary stabbing each and every one of them with these
>little forks I've found!
>
>Fellow coup-er reporting for duty!


well, you can all forget it. well, i might as well forget it myself. i find
myself in a peculiar position. i am incredibly embarassed, and angtful to
incredible proportions. lightning man and i left at 11 pm thursday night,
all tingly and excited at the prospect of driving 900 miles to austin. 
we drove for ~15 hours, and got to austin at 6 pm friday.  as the miles
stretched between me and my home, i felt a noose tightening around my neck.
we got to the hotel, i showered, etc, and jeff slept for ~1 hour. we went to
sine's and met meech. sine was at work. we went to a pizza joint and had some
food. and i started to get scared. not fidgety, but downright scared.
once we got back to the hotel, i burst into tears. i couldn't control it. i 
had to get home. it was frightening, 'cause i don't cry very much. lightning
man had gone down to the bar to have a few drinks, and here i am, crying like
a baby. when he came back, we decided to leave (after a sort of but not quite 
argument, and phoning several airlines). we left at ~1 am. i drove for about
200 miles, then jeff drove a while and we switched off until we got home. 
so we went to austin for a pizza. i didn't even get to meet sine. she and meech
probably hate us now, 'cause we didn;t even leave them a not (just weren't
thinkinf linearly), and i feel like a total fool. just nuke arizona right 
now. i'll tell jeff so he can leave, but i think i want to be ground zero.


--
		-just give me what for,
	rachel perkins =  rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu
      "Chastity..the most unnatural of all the sexual perversions...."
					-Aldous Huxley
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Angst music
From: hobbs_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (Anthony 'SCHWAibo' Hobbs)
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:43:08 NZST
 <BvpF4n.Bzq@acsu.buffalo.edu> <BvpoKG.3xB@news.larc.nasa.gov> <1992Oct6.191037.23587@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
Organization: Chief Lord High Priest, ACCGEK
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <1992Oct6.191037.23587@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, toj8j@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (T.S. Eliot) writes:

> I recommend, for relief, [...]

Anything by Kate Bush, esp. _The_Kick_Inside_ and _Hounds_Of_Love_.

> For sheer wallowing, there's anything by Joy Division (esp. "Atmosphere"),
> Morrissey's "Late Night Maudlin Street" (or anything else, for that matter),
> the Cure's _Disintegration_, Nine Inch Nails _Pretty Hate Machine_, the
> Replacements _All Shook Down_, Lou Reed's "Harry's Circumcision" from _Magic
> and Loss_; and the Police's "Does Everyone Stare" on _Reggatta de Blanc_. 

How did you forget the all-time classic wallowing-in-angst album?
Pink Floyd, _The_Wall_.

    		- SCHWA. (mother, do you think they'll try and break my balls?) 
-- 
"Look over there! See that man on the bus! Is he looking at you... PARANOIA!"

Anthony Hobbs		SCHWAibo		    hobbs_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Chief Lord High Priest, ACCGEK - Hail Frozen Yoghurt - Snuggles Loves You
DISCLAIMER: I am not Romanian and was not head of the Securitate for 15 years.
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard)
Subject: Re: Peanuts, 10-12-92
Organization: /u1/duke/.organization
Date: 12 Oct 92 12:53:43


In an article, klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) writes:

   (I nominate CHARLIE BROWN as leader of alt.angst)

Angst was a term invented for the sickening fear of existence
described by Munch, Keirkegard, and Beckett, and this clown
thinks some cutsey cartoon character is an appropriate
representative.

Xibo is right, this group has gone to hell.


--
Duke Robillard, DoD #0130, duke@osf.org
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: ground zero
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:20:04 GMT
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <1992Oct7.205923.11984@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins) writes:
>ANd as we know, perception is everything in this world. especially when people
>see that you are crying and leave you alone when the last thing in the world
>that you want is to be left alone. i want to put my hot cheek against the cold
>glass of this nuclear lake-bottom.

God this is beautiful.....
God am I depressedd.....
(God, how I wish I could get a deCENt connection in to worK)

---Steve   
-- 
Stephen Okay  sokay@mitre.org
"You see, I'm kind of this control freak who likes to create his own
personal hells before the real one can get to him. I like to beat hell
to hell so to speak".--Spalding Gray "Monster in a box"
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Peanuts, 10-12-92
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 14:24:33 GMT

In article <DUKE.92Oct13092425@portal.paperboy.osf.org> duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard) writes:
>
>In article <XIBO.92Oct13035247@fido.fido.econ.arizona.edu> xibo@fido.econ.arizona.edu (Mr. Coates) writes:
>
>   I've always preferred Eeyore.  Charlie Brown is too wishy-washy.  He
>   tries to be a happy person, and he's even portrayed as a happy person
>   in much of the cartoons.
>
>In general, Winnie the Pooh is much darker children's 
>literature than Peanuts.  Eeyore is probably clinically
>depressed. Owl and Rabbit, the two leaders of the Wood, 
>are pompus know-nothings, who all the nice animals respect 
>when they should string them up instead.

I hate to admit it, but I found myself staring at "The New Adventures of
Winnie The Pooh" last Saturday morning through a haze of that stuff that
accumulates in your eyes overnight.  It struck me how sad Winnie the
Pooh really is.  I mean, after all, it's fairly clear that Pooh is
retarded.  This wouldn't be so bad for a woodland creature if it wasn't
for the fact that all of his friends are relatively intelligent by
comparison.  For instance, the episode revolved around the fact that in
an effort to demonstrate his friendship for Piglet, Pooh removed a
coiled spring from his jack-in-the-box to give to Piglet.  Pooh couldn't
fathom what it was or what it might be used for.  He was like an infant
trying to share a used piece of gum with a parent as a sign of
affection.  Should we allow kids to watch these kinds of abberant fairy
stories?
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gary L. Schroeder  		|  
schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov         |             Boo. 
Brookhaven National Laboratory  | 
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray)
Subject: Re: I quit
Organization: MicroUnity Systems Engineering Inc.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:50:24 GMT

In article <BvtrEC.BAF@bagate.BELL-ATL.COM> dfqfrby@shoes.BELL-ATL.COM (Connor) writes:
>
>I just decided to stumble into this group because I stumbled
>onto the net last week and was enjoying talk.bizarre. Then I
>noticed a not so silent conspiracy of theirs to try licker.store
>
[..]
>
>But there is another step to go from the disposition that
>comes from recognizing that life is pointless. The next step
>is absolute insanity.  I am not joking here.  A genuine
>psychotic halucination.  If you get that far in your spiritual
>development you will not have heeded my warning (or is it goading)
>It will be derived from meeting someone who has suffered more
>than you can ever imagine.... not recognizing that this is
>the case and so not recognizing that this person is in advanced
>stages of psychosis.... the real Norman Bates stuff.
>And this person will tell you their insanity is mysticism.

You mean K*nt Paul Dolan is BACK!!???  Aaargh!


>If someone would tell me the answer!

Life is pointless and painful, then you die.  Enjoy it while you can.


--
            Eric Murray                 ericm@microunity.com
In this game, the winner is also the loser, and the judge's decisions are final
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kovarik@UTKUX1.UTK.EDU (StMeechTheThwacked)
Subject: Re: tiredness.
Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:18:41 GMT

In article <10729@wrgate.wr.tek.com> denisec@amadeus.wr.tek.com (Denise Caire) writes:
>
>I find that if I was really enjoying my dream and wanted to see the
>end, that I can get back into my dream after, lets say, going to the
>bathroom or whatever.  I have been able to complete some very pleasant
>dream experiences this way.  On the other hand, I've had bad dreams
>that won't let me wake up to get out of them.  

Good Gawd!!!!!  I'm in Tennessee.....  Aiyyeeeeeeyaaaaahhhh!!!!!!!

>Sometimes I even know
>in my dream that I am dreaming and keep dreaming that I will wake up and
>discover that this is a dream but it is so real that I dream I wake up
>in my dream but I wake up to discover I'm still dreaming (all in a dream).
>When I'm having one of those dreams, it is really good to wake up!
>Does all this parallel life somehow?
>

I know, I've really just dozed off on the patio of the Cafe Zurich  on
Placa Catalunya in Barcelona after having just consumed several martinis,
and a bowl of green olives on this warm autumnal Mediterranean evening.

Somebody, pinch me!!! Please!!!!

				Meech

Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: home.
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 11:48:32 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

llama@tramp.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:

> Marcus Frean (mrf12@cus.cam.ac.uk) wrote:
> 
> : As debbie said, your own melodrama is never as compelling to the
> : audience as to the actor.  But for some reason it's just so nice to
> : say it to a whole bunch of anonymousities. 
> 
> it only bores the audience if it goeson and on and on and on and on
> and never changes and no sign is made of being willing to change
> anything and it's all static and solid and eventually everyone gets
> tired of feeling sorry for whoever.
> 
> and these are cool anonymousities. <grin>

The one problem is when someone else in your town who you know *also* reads
alt.angst (Hi Alan!). It can put a damper on things at times - the
"anonymity" of telling your problems to a few thousand strangers gets lost.

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342
"Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb?"
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Time for a Coup, Everybody!
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:09:30 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <Bw0tzA.1FD@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> fulton@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ben Fulton) writes:
>In <1992Oct10.022816.9421@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> toj8j@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (T.S. Eliot) writes:
>
>>Well, all the "veteran" angsters--Meech, sine, rachel, etc.--have left
>
>"Veterans?"
>
>Give me a break.
>

i never claimed to be a veteran. an experienced angster, perhaps, but no 
veteran.

bah.


--
		-just give me what for,
	rachel perkins =  rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu
      "Chastity..the most unnatural of all the sexual perversions...."
					-Aldous Huxley
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: mouths, hygiene, darkness in the middle of town
Date: 15 Oct 92 22:20:55 GMT
Organization: depressed

ABienek@acorn.co.uk (Alex Bienek) writes:

>C'mon. There are a lot worse places to be. Cambridge UK is one of the
>better towns in my opinion. One of the few towns where the pubs
>are not all filled with larger louts and Sun readers and where
>the conversation can sometimes rise above the latest football results.

The latest football results really are horrible with Liverpool playing
so many draws. Now 85/86 that was a _real_ season. I guess the results
just match the rest of my life currently: nothing goes the way I want
it to.

-- 
 _______________________ _________________________________
| Jesper Lauridsen      |      Life is a spectator sport  | 
| rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |     I think, therefore I angst  |
|_______________________|_________________________________|
From: rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu (Rachel J. Perkins)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: Peanuts, 10-12-92
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:26:40 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

In article <DUKE.92Oct15144116@portal.paperboy.osf.org> duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard) writes:
>
>Hey, Rachel--Did you survive your dinner date?  I'm dying to hear
>how it went.
>

i'll bet you are. (not). perhaps i'll just let you die. then again, perhaps
i'll tell you that it was in fact a pretty pleasant experience. complete
with coffee milkshakes. (which kept me awake). on the other hand, i haven't
had any email from him. then again, he hasn't logged in yet today. 

ObAngst: i hate being so worried about what another person thinks of me.

bah.
--
		-just give me what for,
	rachel perkins =  rperkins@astro.as.arizona.edu
      "Chastity..the most unnatural of all the sexual perversions...."
					-Aldous Huxley
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: mrf12@cus.cam.ac.uk (Marcus Frean)
Subject: mouths, hygiene, darkness in the middle of town
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:38:20 GMT

In article <92205@netnews.upenn.edu> brewer@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (marmoset) writes:
>
>All this talk of Austin!  And me stuck alone in  Philadelphia!
>It's just not fair.  All going down this weekend, please send along my love
>and maddening envy.
>hmph.


I went to the dentist today - woke up 15 minutes before the
appointment - didn't even cut myself shaving, that's the kind of bloke
I am - just made it on time, thank god. "Never piss your dentist off"
- I think that's somewhere in Desiderata isn't it? He said my teeth &
gums were "good, very good, in fact your oral hygeine is excellent".
Unfortunately this was followed by "I'm afraid I've got some bad news
though"....

....gulp....

Yes, it's true, I have to Have Those Wisdoms Out. Probably. Oh christ,
oh shit, omygod. When I went to see the fulla in Edinburgh he said
something like "come back in 6 months and we'll whip those wisdoms out
- thank goodness there's not pointing sideways, because then..."
(horror story omitted for reasons of good taste, and 'cos I just ate).
This guy just went straight for the horror story, personalising it to
my jawbone, the degree of pain I would actually personally experience,
the particular kind of pumpkin shape *my* head will become with all
the swelling. Goddamn sadist! Or maybe he's just the more honest of
the two. So whereas before I was thinking of it in terms of, say, a
mild mugging, now I'll be really disappointed if I dont have a
near-death experience. I guess I should be grateful.

Anyway, it's friday night, it's going to rain, the whole universe
(well...) except for me and marmoset@Philadelphia is converging on
Texas, relishing their last moments of sobriety as they approach
Austin; I'm stuck here in Anal Retension City, feeling like the
invisible man in a room full of televangelists, treading water and
hoping nothing more lousy than orthodontic angst will enter my head,
(knowing that it will).

What's it like in Philadelphia then?
marcus.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
From: brewer@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (marmoset)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: she likes me, she really likes me!
Date: 16 Oct 92 16:03:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania


Seeing as Sine (I just don't know about calling her "without" all the time) has
already gushed to the net about our happiness/terror over being in love with 
each other, I feel that it's safe to say a few words on the subject.

First, being in love with someone does not cure angst.  I was shocked to dis-
cover this.  I thought, "Hmm, if I could just find someone who liked the same
things I do (waxed paper, boiled football leather, dog breath), and felt the
same way I do about basic things then I'd know that I'm not a nutcase and feel
 reassured that I'm justified in being disappointed with everyone I know 
and that it's normal to not see any reason to listen to anything anyone says 
about whatever it is they claim to be concerned about."  Completely false. 
Although it is nice to have someone who agrees most of the time (actually, 
that's one of the "sheer bliss" parts) I find myself suspecting that Sine's
completely mental as well, and that we're just dragging each other futher into
cynicism and guilty feelings.  Any relationship that features one person in 
therapy and the other feeling like he's missing something by not going himself
is not a solid foundation for growth (or is it the perfect foundation?).  


Of course, he other issue is that being in love with someone you've never met
is really stressful.  It raises questions I don't want to answer like:

	"Is she really that wonderful, or do I make up a good chunk of her
	 personality that isn't apparent in her posts, letters, etc.?"

	"Is this just another sign that I have no concept of how to interact
	 with real live people?

	"Will we hate each other when we meet?  Will that be the last time 
	 I trust anyone?"

	"Can I afford this plane ticket?  Especially since I don't have a vcr
	 and this could be the last season of Ren and Stimpy?"

	"Should I tell my dad I'm going to Texas to meet a woman named "without
	 a name" (capitals avoided purposefully) because I'm in love with
	 her and figured I should meet her?"

	"Why isn't she already in love with someone else if she's so great?"
 
and of course the all-time winner for self-defeat:

	"What do I want with someone who could love ME?  EEEeeeesh!"


More indulgence of my sissy ego to follow as news occurs.

--

marmoset
"green bottles!"
"BROWN BOTTLES!"