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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD Alternative Medicine
Date: 14 Oct 92 21:49:49 GMT
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science

In article <5401@balrog.ctron.com> smith@ctron.com writes:
>In article <7489@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
>>          quackery     quackery    quackery      quackery
>
>I have to agree with Jay 100%.  These "alternative medicines" have never been
>proven safe or effective, and making such a newsgroup widely available would
>advertise quackery to a host of people that might put enough trust in the
>regimes to threaten their lives.  Many people died of cancer that might have

The current situation is this:  those who push these alternative
medicine theories hold forth on sci.med, offering medical advice
to those who write in with medical questions.  Don't you think
it would be better to have them off in their own group so at least
the person seeking their advice will already have decided on some
alternative approach?  I for one, have gotten tired of fighting
with them all the time in sci.med.  Some of us would like to bring
more doctors onto sci.med so we can talk to each other about medical
subjects rather than spend all our time debating whether or not
vitamin C can make you next to immortal.




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From: jdonsbac@cvbnet.prime.com (Jeff Donsbach)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Keywords: drumcorps marching
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:30:42 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: Computervision, Bedford MA

Let me just jump in here for a second to say that I support the creation
of the drumcorps group. I'll read it whatever it's called. I'll leave it
up to the rest of you to decide where to put it in the hierarchy.

unsubscribing from news.groups again....
-Jeff

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From: hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: use a KILLFILE
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:36:06 GMT
Organization: negligable

In article <2ADAD4DC.5183@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>According to hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman):
>>The status quo should always have precedence (perhaps even when it
>>is the status quo that is technically in violation of the established
>>charter, if no attempt has been made to enforce it).
>
>Richard, get a clue about life: The only constant is change.
>
>An assertion that the status quo always has precedence, if carried to
>its logical conclusion, would have us all posting messages to one
>global newsgroup named "net", since that's how Usenet started.  (Then
>you'd _really_ need a KILL file, wouldn't you?)

Wrong, it's ILLogical conclusion.  Can you say "reduction ad absurdum" (sp?)?
I knew you could....

>Just because a newsgroup has seemingly had a given nature for a time,
>a change isn't necessarily bad.  And even if it is bad, what can you
>do?  Usenet life goes on, with or without any individual.

Come off it.  Remember the original cause of this thread?  It was
a dispute between the existing clientele of a group and "invaders"
who were off topic.

I am not saying newsgroups don't or shouldn't change, I am saying
you should not be able to come in and "take over" an existing news
group just because you cannot (or are too lazy to) find one more 
suitable, or because you just like being a net.terrorist.

>Usenet is a force of nature.  Roll with it.

So is a river.  It carves slowly.  Dynamite is a force of man.

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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: Quotes/Tags/.Sigs group?
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 23:52:37 GMT

hartman@ulogic.UUCP (Richard M. Hartman) writes:
>I'd go for it.

>rec.signatures?

Yeah, I guess rec. would be closer to the spirit of it.
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From: ta@slc1.UUCP (Tony Alicea)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Need "How To Create A New Newsgroup"
Date: 8 Oct 92 14:09:13 GMT
Reply-To: ta@arinc.com
Organization: Aeronautical Radio, Inc., Annapolis

Can someone tell me (via e-mail) the ftp address & directory/filename
where I can ftp "HOW TO CREATE A NEW NEWSGROUP", please? 

Thanks

ta@arinc.com
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.archives.msdos.announce moderated and comp.archives.msdos.d
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:06:56 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

tale@ten.uu.net (David C Lawrence) writes:

>For anyone else unclear on the concept, my objections are _not_
>to comp.archives.msdos.announce.

I find myself agreeing with Mr. Lawrence's position.  Assuming that
c.a.m.a is for upload announcements, what is the purpose of c.a.m.a.d?
Is it for people to discuss whether some shareware program was actually
announced, or whether it should be announced, or is it for people to
complain about down-times at some FTP sites, or what?

It should *not* be for the discussion of the programs uploaded to those
sites, because then it will be the equivalent of the current
c.b.i.p.archives.

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From: ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.386bsd
Date: 9 Oct 92 09:48:49 GMT
Organization: University of Wales - Aberystwyth - Prifysgol Cymru

[okay, okay, I know it's not cricket to followup your own postings,
 but I wanted to correct a mistake and add some stuff having read
 news.groups on the subject now]

In article <1992Oct9.094015.2943@aber.ac.uk>
   ccs@aber.ac.uk (Christopher "Jd" Samuel) doodled:

> Why not place it under comp.unix.bsd, or just under comp.unix ?
> ie
> comp.unix.bsd.386bsd
> comp.unix.bsd
            ^----obvious mistake, should have been comp.unix.386bsd

However, going on what previous people have said, is there enough
traffic or support to warrant such a group ? I must admit to not
reading comp.unix.bsd, so only have peoples word to go on here. :-)

Chris
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From: F36SI@CUNYVM.BITNET
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: model united nations newsgroup
Date: 14 Oct 92 01:48:11 GMT
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

MMr. Uy in a previous post stated that there was no support for the talk.
  politics.model-un.  I must disagree with you.  Several people already have co
tacted me about this.  One guy even posted to edvertise for a Model UN out in t
e University of Nebraska.  An alt. group would not work.  The Model UN is a wor
d  wide phenomenon, thus requiring a world wide newsgroup.  Alt. would be too l
mited.
         Matt
From: comrade@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Peter Cooper)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.386bsd
Date: 10 Oct 1992 14:39:35 +0800
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: uniwa.uwa.edu.au

news@wolves.uucp (The Wolfe of the Den) writes:

>In article <BvpwHF.Gy0@uunet.uu.net> pauls@umich.edu (Paul Southworth) writes:
>>PROPOSAL:
>>
>>This RFD proposes a SINGLE UNMODERATED newsgroup, named
>>comp.os.386bsd to service the entire 386bsd community.

>Wrong spot in the hierarchy.  I'd support comp.unix.bsd.i386bsd or
>something similar.

For people worried about the legal implications of calling 386BSD 'unix',
perhaps comp.unix.bsd should be renamed comp.os.bsd.misc, and a new group
named comp.os.bsd.386bsd be created.

-- BSD "family values" rant mode on --

386bsd does not live in a vacuum.  Most of the code is still part of the
BSD source tree.  Ongoing discussions about 4.4, the Mach singleserver,
the LawSuit(tm) are all still relevant, and belong in at least a similar
part of the namespace.

386bsd is not linux.  The Jolitzes did not write an operating system
from scratch like Linus Torvalds.  The connections between BSD
implementations are much closer than the things that separate them, with
much kernel and user code being quite portable.  I would point out also
that many persons who are enthusiastically running 386bsd are doing so
because it is the best port of BSD to the 386 and 486.  Not because it
is different or unconnected with all other BSD ports.

-- rant mode off --

I'd like people who are thinking about this split/move to think about
making sure the namespace is clean :-)

Peter
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From: lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino)
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.arts.marching
Summary: Why put Marching Bands, Drumcorp, and Color Guard together.
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:51:00 GMT

In article <69959@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt1293c@prism.gatech.EDU (W. Scott Radeker, IV) writes...
>In article <1992Oct4.150019.16221@vdbsan> dawson@vdbsan (Willard Dawson) writes:

..discussion of seperate group for marching bands deleted....

The idea is to create one group which would cover those artistic
endevors related to marching.  These include Drumcorp, Marching
Bands, and Color Guard.  Should this rec. group be created and
if there is enough postings on it to warrant it, we could then
split into subgroups.

However, I feel that the wise choice would be for all of us to
band together for at least a short time.  I believe that we could
all learn something interesting from each other.  That in and of
itself would be worth it.

-=>Tammy Stark Blandino<=-

lib1p@jetson.uh.edu
From: atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: sci.eos
Date: 7 Oct 92 12:12:37 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Laboratory, DC

In article <BvpwHs.H0v@uunet.uu.net> posinski@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Cindy Posinski) writes:
>
>	On behalf of the Earth Observing System (EOS) Project Office, I would 
>like to propose the creation of a new moderated newsgroup named SCI.EOS.  

  I'd suggest that the moderated newsgroup be named sci.eos.news or
sci.eos.bulletins and that the same ballot contain a vote for an
unmoderated discussion newsgroup named sci.eos.misc (following the
usual naming conventions).

  Creating only a moderated group with no place for free followup
discussions is unwise.  Also, creating the original group at the 3rd
level in the heirarchy will make adding new groups easier and
eliminate the potential need to rename sci.eos to sci.eos.foo during
some future reorg.

Ran
atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil
From: joeb@src4src.linet.org (Joe Beiter)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: current newsgroups file needed
Date: 12 Oct 92 23:29:47 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source

Hi,

Could some kind soul please mail me an updated "newsgroups" file?
I've been watching this newsgroup religiously for about a week now
hoping to catch the monthly posting.

Please mail to "joeb@arden.linet.org".

Thanks!!!


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From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.386bsd
Date: 9 Oct 1992 22:53:35 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu

In article <1992Oct9.051921.15362@pegasus.com> richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) writes:
>No thanks.  The current use of comp.unix.bsd is just fine.

Care to offer an explanation?
>
>Besides, putting it under comp.os is inappropriate.  It belongs under
>comp.unix with all the other Unixes and Unix lookalikes.
>
>Why would anyone want to imply that it's no longer Unix, or at least
>a very faithful lookalike?

Well personally I think this issue is more or less hairsplitting, since
I would also be happy to have comp.unix.386bsd or some other variant of
that, but there is plenty of precedent for puting unix look-alikes in
comp.os.* -- comp.os.linux, comp.os.coherent, comp.os.minix, and for one
that uses enough BSD code to require a license from AT&T, comp.os.mach.
So it's not quite so clear-cut as you make it out.  Obviously we also have
PC-Clone unix look-alike groups in comp.unix.* as well, such as 
comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit and .16bit.  And there is discussion of coherent,
linux, minix, and mach in those groups as well. 

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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM (Gary Gocek)
Subject: Re: rec.arts.marching...
Summary: Agree
Reply-To: Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM
Organization: Xerox Corp., Rochester, NY
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 17:00:31 GMT


I agree with the proposed two groups:
	rec.arts.marching.drumcorps
	rec.arts.marching.misc

1.  The "arts" designation is absolutely correct in this day and age.  The design and performance
of shows (corps, band, guard, etc.) is art, even if it is, in some cases, given a numeric rating.

2.  I would actually rather see rec.arts.pageantry.{drumcorps | misc}, but "pageantry" doesn't ring
a bell for most people yet, so "marching" is the more recognizable term.  To argue that many
groups don`t "march", i.e. that they dance or whatever, has some technical merit, but "marching"
is the traditional term, and I've never known anyone to be seriously concerned about this.

3.  The drum corps activity needs its own newsgroup because there are some threads that are
very specific to drum corps, and that take a lot of space, that no one else cares about. I still
subscribe to alt.drumcorps, but I only glance at the article list occasionally, because I don`t wish
to read about:
	- Are there any former members of ---- out there?
	- Drum corps are great and bands suck!
	- Why isn't drum corps entertaining any more?
	- Kill the people who want to use electronics!
Most of the vocal traditionalists are "drum corps nuts" and don't want to admit any association
with the other pageantry activities, so give them their group and let them have at it.

4.  Let's group everything other than drum corps under "misc", and if the traffic is heavy, split
it later.  Please please please filter the corps discussions into a separate group.  I might read it,
but we need a non-drum corps, marching related group.

If a third group is to be considered, I'd like it to be "rec.arts.marching.practitioner".  This would
be a group for discussions among show designers, instructors, band directors, etc.  I doubt
there are enough practitioners on the net to make this worthwhile, based on what I've seen
on alt.drumcorps and alt.colorguard.


Gary
Gocek.Henr801C@Xerox.COM

Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.config
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: use a KILLFILE
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:24:21 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti):
>Monthly postings are a form of "coercion".

Ed, you're quite clever; I greatly enjoy your alternative WIU article
as a result.  As such, you should know better than what's written
above, and I'm disappointed that you don't.

No matter how pervasive or widely accepted a viewpoint is, it is not
coercion.  For my article to be a form of coercion, it would have to
bring about some change _by_ _force_.  (Yeah, right.)

>... berating and badgering anyone who dares criticize it...
>... camping out in news.groups to harass people who disagree....

Now you've stepped over the line from misinterpretation to insult.  I
do not harass people just for happening to disagree with me about
Usenet's nature -- if I did, Ed, you'd certainly be my first target!

>"Encouragement" would involve articles that are helpful, generous,
>understanding, or generally useful.

I am trying to be helpful.  When a person is faced with a situation
that admits of no useful action, it is helpful to say: "Don't bother."
If I am critical too, well, so what?

>It's quite handy to wipe out 90% of it and just focus on the few
>predictable posters.

The KILL feature of trn has a similar feature.  If your KILL file
says:

    /^From: chip@tct.com/+

then all threads in which I've posted an article are automatically
selected for reading.  Choice of author is up to you, of course.  :-)
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From: bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar)
Subject: Re: use a KILLFILE
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 01:33:05 GMT

jfurr@vtssi.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:

>I'd like to respond to all the net.dictators who have so graciously set up
>rules of life for everyone else to follow, especially regarding killfiles.

  Hoho.  Net.Dictators?  Hardly.  They let you create an alt. group,
didn't they?

>All we wanted in this case was to create an alt.fan.cthulhu group so the
>morons would have someplace to go post.  It is *not* the responsibility of the
>victim group to wear blinders so they don't notice the invaders.   Aha, you
>say, there's a line I can quote out of Joel's message and compose some witty
>reply to!  Wrong.  Read on.

  Creating a new newsgroup just to get some morons off your back is
unwise.  The morons will then be posting to thousands of machines; their
moronic posts will be duplicated on all these thousands of machines.
Use a killfile, or have the sense to create a _real_ newsgroup for your
discussion.  To be frank, I unsubscribe to alt groups as soon as I
see the "alt.*" come up.

>If the ultimate answer to off-topic invaders in your newsgroup is "use a
>killfile" then for Christ's sake, what do we have newsgroup charters for?

  Some people will of course ignore newsgroup charters; but how often
is ghost-stories' charter reposted?  People who insist on being morons
are only looking for attention.  Ignoring them is always best.

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From: pauls@css.itd.umich.edu (Paul Southworth)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.386bsd
Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:55:51 GMT

In article <3868@ra.nrl.navy.mil> atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson) writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.041359.554@fcom.cc.utah.edu> terry@cs.weber.edu writes:
>>The distinction between "386BSD" and "BSD" is going to become fuzzier and
>>fuzzier as CSRG (the originators of BSD) goes out of business in 1993, as
>>is currently planned, according to postings in comp.unix.bsd and articles
>>in the trade press.
>
>Terry is absolutely correct.  Moreover, large chunks of the commercial
>offerings (e.g. BSDI) and the other version (BSDJ) are absolutely
>identical pieces of code and the two ports are functionally equivalent
>in most all respects.  Now this is contrary to the Jolitz-religion,
>but I describe things as they are not as some folks wish they were and
>I have no axe to grind on this matter.

Listen, this group was not proposed to make the Jolitzs feel good.  I
would imagine that most Un*x operating systems have code in common.  That
does not make separate group unwarranted.  To the average casual novice
user (who probably makes the most use of support via the newsgroup anyway)
the fact that there is code in common is immaterial.  The user end of the
system, installation, troubleshooting, and all of that are NOT in common
with other BSD systems because we are talking about issues specific to
THIS implementation on a DIFFERENT PLATFORM.

>This proposal was made before and dropped as inappropriate and the requisite
>6 months waiting period HAS NOT elapsed.
>
>Wait 6 months and then reconsider whether it is really necessary...

It never had a CFV and the 6 month rule does not apply.
I asked several people about this prior to making the proposal, and read
through the new-group-formation packet.  This call is not out of order.

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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: fox@rei.com (Fuzzy Fox)
Subject: Re: Cual es la razon?
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 23:32:49 GMT
Organization: Recognition Equipment, Inc.

sergio@Ingres.COM (Sergio L Aponte) writes:

>	I am sorry you can't read my post, but has it occured to you that, as
>	more and more countries connect, many other people can't read yours in
>	topics of common interest?

It's very unfortunate, I suppose, but in order for people to
communicate, they must use a language that they have in common.  For
whatever reason, English seems to be the language most common between
the nations.

IMO, this leaves English-speaking people at a disadvantage, since they
only glean the benefits of learning a single language.

I could have posted this in Spanish, but then even Spanish-speaking
people might not have been able to read it.

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From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: rec.marching
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:53:32 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University

lib1p@rosie.uh.edu (Tammy Stark Blandino) writes:
>Anybody who believes that marching is not an art form either has 
>never marched, marched so long that its second nature, or has 
>forgotten how difficult it was in your early days of learning to
>march and play at the same time while staying in step and in line
>and making that curve look just right before going on to that
>yardline..........

I think you MISSED my point.  Of course marching in drum corps, bands,
color guard, etc. is art.  I said that.  What I question is this notion
that drum corps, bands, and color guard comprises all facets of marching.
There are other types of marching that are not these, and I'm not sure
that all types of marching are art. 

THAT was my point.
                              Scott
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