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From: martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Private Uni's
Date: 12 Nov 1992 13:11:58 GMT
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In article 92Nov11123513@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk, cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
>In article <1992Nov9.101148.13305@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> mmh@cs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes:
>
>   It is amazing how the Scots will whinge if you use it to mean "Scotland"
>   as well, but if you use it correctly they'll *still* whinge because they
>   won't realise you've used it to deliberately used Scotland and can't
>   resist getting in a "you're wrong because in Scotland ...".
>
>It's amazing how regularly we hear anti-Scottish whingeing and bleating from
>this quarter...

Actually, I think most of Matthews posts are fairly pro-Scotish
(whatever that means!): he supports devolution, the right to choose
over independence, local cutural issues etc. He certainly takes
great care to say British when he means British, and English
when he means English.

I think I detect in his posts the same frustration many of us South
of the border feel with (some) Scots: we often agree with you about
a lot of issues, but feel *you* are guilty of blaming the English
for all your woes, even when the English have similar problems.

I have heard far more anti-English whinging in Scotland, than
I have ever heard anti-Scots whinging in England. The most
common comment abouts Scots politics heard in my local pub
(which as everyone knows is the fountain of all wisdom)
is "If those !@#$%^& Scots want Independence, they why don't
they just piss off and leave us in peace. If not why don't
they just shut up." Suffolk wisdom for you!

Martin

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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Anglican vs C of E
Date: 12 Nov 1992 00:33:17 GMT
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In article <1992Nov11.153749.10571@menudo.uh.edu>, chem91@Elroy.UH.EDU writes:
> >> > There is a good
> >> > argument for having _some_ religious representation in the government, and
> >> > unless you pick the single blandest, most neutral and moderate group, where
>                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> > do you stop?  Earth Goddess worshippers?  David Icke?
>                                                ^^^^^^^^^^ who?
> >> 
> >> Would you like to explain what that is, because I can't even think of a
> >> feeble excuse, let alone a good argument.
> >
> >Because people want it?
> >
> >jon		(By the way, I'm an atheist.)
> 
> 
> Pat Robertson is very, very far from being "bland, neutral and moderate". 
> I've never known a "neutral" religious organization, in fact... When religion
> and politics mix the result is always ugly... 

Thanks for your input, but so far as I know, Pat Robertson
doesn't qualify.   He's American.

One of the many strands of this discussion is that what may
be dangerous in American politics, becasue of people like
Pat Robertson, may not be dangerous everywhere.

jon.
Organization: Bar-Ilan University Computing Center, Israel
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:28:37 IST
From: Danny Rothenberg <X68147@BARILVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: JANET/Internet

Is JANET part of Internet, or is there just a gateway?

-Danny
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: rsthomas@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rich Thomas)
Subject: Just a quick question
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 12:27:43 GMT

Could someone tell me (email please) the definition of
a common-law marriage in England? Thanks.

--
RT
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Subject: Re: Anglican vs C of E
From: sietsma@latcs1.lat.oz.au (Jocelyn Sietsma Penington)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:16:09 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

In article <lfqrt4INNa64@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
> I would like to hear what the difference is between
> the Anglican church, and the Church of England.

I am a member of the Anglican Church of (or in, I'm not sure which) Australia, 
but not a member of the Church of England.
The C of E is only in England - its daughter churches in other countries
are called Anglican.  (Except in the USA, where they are Episcopalian), 
although in Aus. it is still sometimes called the C of E, from tradition or
habit, particularly by people who don't participate but still have some
form of emotional attachment.

Jocelyn.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: A.Grant@ucs.cam.ac.uk (Alasdair Grant)
Subject: Re: Just a quick question
Organization: University of Cambridge
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:25:42 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.171523.2552@microsoft.com> frankm@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>>It stands for "For unnatural carnal knowledge". Like TDA and GBH.
>
>What, TDA stands for "For unnatural carnal knowledge"? How
>can that be? And GBH, too? 

In the sense that it appeared on charge sheets, or whatever the medieval
equivalent was. (E.g. "fined 10 groats, F.U.C.K."). There was even a heavy
metal album with the title "For unnatural carnal knowledge" a few years ago,
so obviously someone else believes the story. I might be more inclined to
believe the stories about obscure Germanic roots if the word wasn't
conspicuous by its absence from early English texts, in contrast to other
four-letter words. 
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From: arebold@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.celtic,soc.history
Subject: RE: Historical Maps of Edinburgh
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:16:59 GMT
Organization: Clark University

You may want to look into Clark University's map library.  We are in Worcester,
Massachusetts in the States.  We have the best geography department in the
country.  Write me back with exactly what you want and your address - I'll
see what I can dig up in the archives and send it to you, okay?

andrew
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
From: bross@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brian J Ross)
Subject: Re: In your school?
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Brock University
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 18:09:04 GMT

bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
: In <4NOV199217135875@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
: 
: >My OPhD is in High En Physics, Univ College Lodon, 1982.  I have a first class
: >hon degree in physics, Univ of London, 1975.  Yeah you're right, I certainly
: >don't have a PhD in intelligence.
: 
: Well, there's the old chestnut about;
: 	BS = Bulls**t
: 	MS = Mores**t
: 	Phd = Piled higher and deeper
: 
: In Laurence's case I could believe it. :-)

No, it's :   PhD = Personality Has Disorders

Brian Ross, PhD  (Doctor of Philosophy)

-- 
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                                    frequency of use." -- Anal-Retentive Chef.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry on grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Rule Britannia
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:42:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.034654.128422@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> dk0a@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DIMITRIOS KOUVATSOS) writes:
>
>Simple Question: Did the Tories get more votes than Labour? Simple Answer:
>Yes, therefore they have the right to govern. 

Unfortunately that's not how our system works -- otherwise we'd have
had a Tory government in February 1974.




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From: gdb15@grebe.cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Subject: Re: JANET/Internet
Reply-To: gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry)
Organization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:29:59 GMT

In article <JIM.92Nov13114216@hunter.cs.strath.ac.uk> jim@cs.strath.ac.uk (Jim Reid) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.180041.4934@netcom.com> sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller) writes:
>
>   Wouldn't it be easier in the long run for Janet to convert to the Internet 
>   standard?
>
>It's easier to say than do. You might as well ask for everyone in the
>UK to switch over to driving on the right hand side of the road.

Unfair comparison -- JANET serves a minute proportion of the population
of the UK.  In comparison with BT's plan to add an extra digit to
every single phone number in the UK, swapping round JANET addresses
seems pretty straightforward.

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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: An astonishing Guy
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Date: 5 Nov 1992 05:06:04 GMT
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In article <lfgdnoINN46@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
> 
> The attempt took place at Parliament because that was a known place
> where the king would be at a known time, and with big cellars to
> hide the bomb.   But ever since, the event has been retold to the
> people as "the attempt to blow up parliament" -- thus shifting
> the intended target from an unpopular monarch to a popular
> institution, perverting the sympathies of the people in the process.

Peter, you are off your chump.   Every schoolkid knows that
it was the King that Fawkes was after.  Except you, maybe.

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: matthew@uk.tele.nokia.fi (Matthew Faupel)
Subject: Re: An astonishing Guy
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications, Cambridge, UK
	<1dad6jINNl0c@fido.asd.sgi.com> <5829@balrog.ctron.com>
	<1992Nov6.183821.28433@maths.nott.ac.uk> <BxHx96.4Ln@newcastle.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:53:56 GMT

In article <BxHx96.4Ln@newcastle.ac.uk> Trevor.Kirby@newcastle.ac.uk (Trevor
Kirby) writes:

> A little snippet heard on the radio this morning that may or may not be
> complete bollocks.

> The right of habeous corpus was passed because the adjudicators counted a
> really fat lord as ten votes.

Maybe I've missed something, but I always thought that Habeus Corpus was a
law enacted to prevent people being tried for murder when there was no body
of the deceased to prove that murder was indeed done...  What's this got to
do with fat lords and adjudicators?


Matthew
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From: sue@netcom.com (Sue Miller)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: How to insult a Brit (yet again)
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:58:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1dmp4sINNplh@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov9.164442.15977@unislc.uucp>, pjd@unislc.uucp writes:
>> The Salt Lake Tribune (Utah, USA) had an interesting letter in the
>> November 9 edition.
>> 
>> A British woman living in the area wrote to take exception to a column
>> that described British food as "swill." (I think that was the word.)
>> She closed the letter with this:  "As we Brits would say, . . . ."
>>                                          ^^^^^
>> Do you think she's been living among the 'Merkuns too long?
>
>Yup, and she's not the only one.   BBC shortwave had a
>feature on the Forbidden City last evening - very
>interesting it was, too - in which they mentioned the
>Western nations taking part in the suppression of the Boxer
>Rebellion.    Including, they said, the "Brits".  Gresham's
>Law at work?
>
>jon/

My prediction has already come true: you are already hearing
the term more often.  My post on the subject was not meant as
a threat, by the way.  I have no interest in calling you or
anyone else a "Brit".  My neighbor's name is Britt, and she's
a nice person.

I meant that the more you complain about and are annoyed by something, 
the likelier the annoyance to occur.  This is Miller's Law.  
I named it myself.

Cheers,
sue
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Subject: Re: Rule Britannia
Followup-To: soc.culture.british
Reply-To: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 16:02:39 GMT

gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk (Guy Barry) writes:
>How do you know it would come up with the same result?
>For all you know, Perot's supporters might have voted
>overwhelmingly for Bush as a second choice.

Datapoint: exit polls found that Perot supporters split evenly between
Clinton and Bush, out of those who expressed a preference at all.

Eliminating Perot, these calculations give Clinton just over 50% of the
actual vote and Bush about 46%.
-- 
David Brooks					dbrooks@osf.org
Open Software Foundation			uunet!osf.org!dbrooks
Shall I eat a peach?
From: martin.baines@uk.sun.com (Martin Baines - Sun UK - SE Manager Cambridge)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Salaries+cost of living in UK
Date: 5 Nov 1992 16:23:42 GMT
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In article 16758@osf.org, dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks) writes:
>godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>|> A decent contract job in the UK should pay at least 1000 per week
>						       ^
>I just spotted this.  I'm using xrn and X11R5 with a full 8-bit font, and
>I'm looking at a genuine sterling symbol.  This is in an article that has
>survived 8 hops -- and I thought most sites still stripped the 8th bit.
>
>For the record, it's octal 243.  Commiserations if *you* have lost the 8th
>bit.

The  made it here as well (read using xvnews and OpenWindows 3.0)!
Looks like I can stop using UKL when I really mean .

I wonder if the accents (...) work as well to help DSY in his
famous French posts?

Martin

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From: migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey)
Subject: Re: In your school?
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 6 Nov 92 14:32:38 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.115052.19505@cas.org> jac54@cas.org () writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.084636.16113@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
>>In article <5NOV199203010964@sscvx1.ssc.gov> godfrey@sscvx1.ssc.gov (LAURENCE GODFREY) writes:
>					      ^^^^^^
>>Mike Godfrey                                "I came so far for beauty,
>      ^^^^^^^
>	Are you two related (by any remote possibility)?

In a word, no.

-- 
Mike Godfrey                                "I came so far for beauty,
Dept of Comp Sci, UofT                       I left so much behind."
migod@turing.toronto.edu                                -- Leonard Cohen
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From: dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones)
Subject: Re: Britain doesn't have a Constitution (Re: An astonishing Guy)
Organization: Vonnegut Tent Rentals, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 21:15:00 GMT

Steve McKinty - Sun ICNC (smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM) wrote:
> 
> Then again it might just indicate the the British Parliament have the
> wit not to pass unconstitutional laws...
>
This touches on a distinct disadvantage of the US system: that laws may
be passed with the full knowledge that they are unconstitutional, simply
to please certain pressure groups, in the sure and certain knowledge that
the courts will invalidate them in good time.  Flag-burning is the most
recent obvious case.  Of course, some dumb cluck has to be set up as the
test case, with all the attendant problems.  The most famous 'cluck' of
this century was the schoolteacher Scopes in the famous Monkey Trial.
He volunteered to be arrested for teaching Evolution in order to force
the law to be tested in court.

Anyway, not having a safety net can have its advantages, as long as you never
intend to fall......


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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british
Subject: Re: Britain doesn't have a Constitution (Re: An astonishing Guy)
Date: 10 Nov 1992 01:06:14 GMT
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In article <1992Nov9.211500.1973@pixel.kodak.com>, dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com writes:
> 
> Anyway, not having a safety net can have its advantages, as long as
> you never intend to fall......

Or just to remind you that you *can* fall.

jon.
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From: linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Trelford Pinkerton)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Britain doesn't have a Constitution (Re: An astonishing Guy)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 00:18:22 GMT
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From: streater@unixjr.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Tim Streater)
> There *is* an English Bill of Rights ...
> It forms part of the written part of the Constitution.

A Constitution and a Bill of Rights by definition cannot be 
mere laws passed by the standard legislative process.

As has been pointed out at greater length, a Constitution is
an extraordinary code that sets the framework within which 
all laws apply.

Britain therefore does not have a Bill of Rights or a Constitution.
Of course, it's another question entirely, how effectively the
US Constitution is applied and enforced in practice.

--
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From: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Newsgroups: soc.culture.british,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: England's Tolerant Republic (was An astonishing Guy)
Date: 7 Nov 92 11:02:49 GMT
Reply-To: w.p.coyne@newcastle.ac.uk
Organization: Chemical & Process Engineering Dept, University of Newcastle, UK.

The English Republic or Protectorate, ruled by a Lord Protector.
FIrst Oliver then his son Richard (Richard IV ?).
If the monarchy is ever abolished maybe they will have a Lord 
Protector rather than a President.


spxsjm@thor.cf.ac.uk (Mr S J Morris 92) writes:

>In article <Bx7rIG.o0@apollo.hp.com> johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis) writes:
>|
>|"12 brief glorious years" in which religious persecution of almost
>|everyone (not just Catholics) reigned rampant. This was indeed the
>|cup of liberty shared by the Pilgrim Fathers, another group not
>|exactly known for their religious tolerance.
>|Just how did Charles II grab the throne?  Did he, perhaps, overrun
>|the country with an army (the method used by the republicans)?
>|

>That's hardly a fair representation of the state of affairs under
>Cromwell, it seems to me. Granted, there was certainly persecution of
>Catholics - this can be explained (although clearly not
>excused) by the fear that such people were susceptible to be recruited as
>agents for hostile Catholic nations such as France, Spain or Ireland.
>At this time the Thirty Years War was devastating much of Central
>Europe, and there was a real fear of something similar happening in
>Britain.

  On the negative side Cromwell's behaviour in Ireland should not 
be overlooked.

>As for non-Catholics, there was virtually unlimited religious freedom.
>The period saw an enormous proliferation of religious groups -
>Presbyterians, Independents, Baptists, Quakers, Levellers, True
>Levellers, Diggers, Fifth Monarchists... - who so long as they toed the

   It's not only non-Catholics.  If I remember correctly it was 
during the Protectorate that Jews were finally allowed back into
England after centuries of officially being excluded.  Though during
these centuries some had always lived in England.  
One of the arguments used to permit Jews to return to England was that
according to the Bible the Second Coming would not occur until there
were Jews living in every nation, and some of the people in power
wanted to hurry along the return of Jesus.
  
   So at a time when Jews in Germany were being persecuted some 
were able to come to England where they had virtually the same
rights as any other resident.  Later some went to live in England's
North American colonies.  This was important because in the following
centuries these two areas, in particular Norht America/USA, offered
persecuted Jews somewhere they could flee to where they would be
given full citizenship.

>Steve Morris,
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