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From: bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,alt.config
Subject: Re: soc.culture.lang.bengali
Date: 1 Jan 93 04:36:03 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI

In article <1992Dec31.201846.11913@news.uiowa.edu> abdutta@icaen.uiowa.edu (Abhijit Dutta) writes:
>|
>|>>>>> In article <1hoea1INNlf0@hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>|
>|SB> 3. Sci.lang.bengali should address the need (with which I disagree) to have
>|       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|NM> Clarifying question: Was the idea of alt.culture/sci.language/whatever.bengali
>|NM> floated primarily to serve needs of bengalis from India?
>
>
>    I support the name Sci.lang.bengali or any other which relates to India!
>
>    -jit


FYI, the "sci" in the "sci.*" hierarchy stands for "science", not for 
soc.culture.indian!

There is an existing newsgroup called sci.lang, for example, for discussing 
issues related to linguistics. Similarly there are sci.anthropology, etc, etc.

IMHO, sci.lang.bengali is not an appropriate name (unless we opt to discuss
only issues pertaining to Bengali linguistics :-))




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: tun@quark.SFSU.EDU (Coban Tun)
Subject: B'desh repatriates 200 Burmese refugees ( late news)
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RTw  12/10 0259  BANGLADESH REPATRIATES 200 BURMESE REFUGEES
 
    DHAKA, Dec 10, Reuter - Bangladesh returned more than 200 Burmese Moslem
refugees on Thursday, raising to 1,763 the number sent home since the
controversial repatriations began in September, officials said.
    They said the group representing 46 families sailed across the Naf river
after signing documents confirming they were going back voluntarily.
    The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) recently alleged
Dhaka was forcing the Burmese Moslems, known as Rohingyas, to return against
their will. Bangladesh denied the charge.
    Officials say some 265,000 Rohingyas have fled to Bangladesh from west
Burma's Moslem-majority Arakan state to escape alleged military persecution.
    Unofficial sources put the refugees number at nearly 300,000, most of whom
say they will not go back unless Rangoon allows the UNHCR to supervise their
repatriation and resettlement in Arakan. Burma has refused.
 REUTER AN JB GD
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
From: kazi@oin.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi)
Subject: Re: Lok Sabha source?(Re: Victory Day in Bangladesh (what about India?
Organization: University of Delaware, Newark
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 01:59:43 GMT

In article <1h8fh9INNklk@aludra.usc.edu> banerjee@aludra.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>In article <NAEEM.92Dec22020403@occs.cs.oberlin.edu> naeem@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Naeem Mohaiemen) writes:
>
>>> resist the onslaught from Bagha Siddique's Santi Bahini. However terrorists 
>>			    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>You misunderstood the question. I wanted to know where you found the name of 
>>a Shanti bahini commander being "Bagha Siddique".
>
>The Indian press has used that term for years. Even Indian Army officers at 
>the Binaguri cantonment in lower Assam and bordering Bangladesh use that term 
>when they refer to him. Bagha Siddique used to come in to get food and 
>supplies and often one or more of his men needed medical attention. It was 
>rumored that he was supplied with arms and some of his men were trained at the
>base.  

I presume Samit is mis-identifying Tiger Sidduiqui [aka Bagha Siddiqui]
as a Shanti Bahini commander. After Mujib's assasination and the sequence
of coups and counter-coups that ultimately led to Ziaur Rahman's assumption
of power, "Tiger Siddiqui" fled to India and then formed a rag-tag bunch
of guerillas which undertook some military actions in northern Mymensingh.
His aim was to avenge the death of Mujib and the removal of the Ziaur-Rahman
from power. He had some tacit as well as direct support from the Indian 
government.  This was in the late 70's. To the best of my knowledge
he had no connection with the Chakma insurgency. This Bagha Siddiqui
is the same Kader Sidduiqui who has earned a lot of infamy when he
engaged in extra-judicial executions of collaborators soon after we
achieved Independence. His actions were photographed by international
journalists, whom he had invited, and remain a dark blot in the
history of our Independence movement.

- Zunaid

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
From: shaad@leland.Stanford.EDU (Shaad M. Ahmad)
Subject: Re: Bengali literature for western friends
Organization: The Institution for the Casually Insane
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 07:35:29 GMT

     Sayan Bhattacharyya <bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu>, in article 
<1992Dec23.234549.6952@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, was looking for antho-
logies of Bengali literature, preferably poetry, translated into
English.

     I have not been overly successful in similar searches; but, I
would, albeit with some reservations, suggest _Poetry_from_Bengal_ 
(translated by Ron D. K. Banerjee, ISBN 0-948259-79-5). 

     The translations are satisfactory although, personally, I would 
like to see Naomi Lazard make an attempt on Bengali poems. A fairly
large number of poets (e.g. Shamsher Anwar, Buddhadev Bose, Dinesh das, 
Jibananda Das, Sunil Gangopadhyay, Samsul Haque, and Premendra Mitra)
are represented; unfortunately, this representation appears to consist
almost entirely of artists from West Bengal.

     Regards.
                                                           
 shaad@leland.stanford.edu                             - Shaad -
 smahmad@pucc.BITNET
 

"While most people's opinion changes, the conviction of their correctness
 never does."
                      -- Anonymous
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Subject: Re: Death threat on News Groups
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:18:51 GMT

In article <1halmfINNfjo@crcnis1.unl.edu> fall266@cse.unl.edu () writes:
>sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:
>
>>In article <1h3en4INN815@crcnis1.unl.edu> fall266@cse.unl.edu () writes:
>
>>> You have different openian then I do and still have the my same position.
>>> that Mujeeb gave up the right to rull the whole pakistan and did
>>> what bhutoo wanted him to do.  He was rightfully ellected leader of
>>> pakistan.    
>
>>Mujib was not allowed to rule the whole Pakistan. His power was
>>usurped. 
>
>>Saif
>
>Yes you are right but he proved that he had no need of permission form any body he had enogh power to take any action.  It would be lot easer for him to ask army to accept him as the new prime minister of the country then to demand for 
>seprate country.
>
>specially if you look at the pressure from different levels of even army at Yahya to find a political solution of a political problem you will find that MUjib was thinking some thing more than the benitfits of his own people.  It is more 
>proudful for some body to be the founder of a country then mearly a primeminester.  He din not make any mistake in estimating the power of army in bangladesh
>  but he simply underestimated bangali people.
> 	this is proved by the revival of democracy in BD when Begum Khalida Zia won the election, and people made a better choice.  This showed the people who 
>were emotional at one time took a rational step at another time.
>
>your well wisher 
>s.a saeed
>

I personally don't think this above article is worth any follow up discussion.
I hope Bangladeshi netters will agree with me.  Seems to me that we have to
learn to cut through rubbish.

Khaleq
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Subject: Re: Failure of Socialism/Reply to Zunaid Kazi 
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:36:07 GMT

In article <1992Dec24.031308.11337@zip.eecs.umich.edu> bhattach@quip.eecs.umich.edu (sayan bhattacharyya) writes:
>In article <1992Dec23.231334.19097@udel.edu> kazi@hercules.cis.udel.edu (Zunaid Kazi) writes:
>>
>>Tell me, did Lenin and Trotsly envisage the
>>some sort of central co-ordination of the working's of the soviet's.
>>Furthermore, how would large industries be handled in this model?
>
>I don't have references handy, but I will try to answer your question.
>
>As far as I remember, it was envisaged that the self-organising 
>entities would set their own production targets, but would keep 
>in touch with other similar  entities across the country to decide   
>on their priorities by consensus. 

Of course there has to central co-ordination.  How else the plan for 
industrial production and targets can be made.  But the plan for any
industry and khalkoz (collective farm) is supposed to be discussed and
proposed by the local self-organizing entities.  Then it has to get passed
onto the higher level of party committee so that a centralized production
plan and planing for the country's economy can be set.  As Lenin said in his
book "On Cooperation" in 1923 ..."All we actually need under NEP (New Economic
Plan) is to organize the population of Russia in cooperative societies on a sufficiently large scale"...

>>Did they contemplate any sort of competition amongst the various
>>soviet's who might be engaged in similar activities?  
>>
>
>I do not think competition was envisaged.


Yes there is friendly competition in all sphere of a socialist economy.  The
competition is organized both within a khalkoz/industry and among the industries.  The competitions are not designed to make more profit, but to give incentivesor rewards to the best industry in a state or in the country and to the best
workers.  That is the mechanism of rewarding people in any sphere of a 
socialist society.  That is how the most honorable  awards like "Hero of
Socialist Labour" or "Hero of Soviet Union" was given.

Khaleq
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Subject: Re: Bengali literature for western friends
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 01:06:41 GMT

I have read the English translation of Gitanjali and Gardenar (also by
Tagore).  Both of the books are available in Library (if you can't find
them in your Library then you can get them from the University of Delaware
Library through interlibrary loan).  I liked them very much.  Also a very good
translation of Bangladeshi poet Jasimuddin's (by the way, movie maker Mrinal
Sen and Jasimuddin were chilhood friends and from the same village in Faridpur)
Gypsy Wharf (Sojan Badiar Ghat) is avaible at our Library.  Gypsy Wharf is a
must read.  That way you will be able to get a glimpse at literary works of
both Bengal.  Unfortunately, no Nazrul's work is available in English (I mean
at our Library).  Bangladeshi writer Jahanara Imam's Ekatturer Dinguli is 
translated recently, which is titled "Born of Fire" (? I may be wrong about
the English title, someone else can help you with that).  Please do read it,
either in English or Bengali.

Khaleq
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From: fall266@cse.unl.edu ()
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Death threat on News Groups
Date: 23 Dec 1992 21:28:47 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln	
Distribution: na
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sahmed@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Saif Ahmed) writes:

>In article <1h3en4INN815@crcnis1.unl.edu> fall266@cse.unl.edu () writes:

>> You have different openian then I do and still have the my same position.
>> that Mujeeb gave up the right to rull the whole pakistan and did
>> what bhutoo wanted him to do.  He was rightfully ellected leader of
>> pakistan.    

>Mujib was not allowed to rule the whole Pakistan. His power was
>usurped. 

>Saif

Yes you are right but he proved that he had no need of permission form any body he had enogh power to take any action.  It would be lot easer for him to ask army to accept him as the new prime minister of the country then to demand for 
seprate country.

specially if you look at the pressure from different levels of even army at Yahya to find a political solution of a political problem you will find that MUjib was thinking some thing more than the benitfits of his own people.  It is more 
proudful for some body to be the founder of a country then mearly a primeminester.  He din not make any mistake in estimating the power of army in bangladesh
  but he simply underestimated bangali people.
 	this is proved by the revival of democracy in BD when Begum Khalida Zia won the election, and people made a better choice.  This showed the people who 
were emotional at one time took a rational step at another time.

your well wisher 
s.a saeed

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
From: deb@soil.Princeton.EDU (Arghya Deb)
Subject: Re: Victory Day / why India intervened in '71
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 14:21:25 GMT

Sayan Bhattacharya writes that victory in the Bangladesh liberation war was
solely the victory of the people of Bangladesh. I too salute the heroic 
efforts of the Bangladeshi people in ridding themselves of brutal Pakistani
rule. They were the prime movers and are therefore the rightful claimants
to the laurels of victory.

However, as I believe most unbiased Bangladeshi's would admit, without Indian
help the course of the war would have been quite different. As Samit
Bannerjee points out in a recent article in SCI, 10000 Indian soldiers
were killed and an equal number injured. India spent a million dollars
in financing the war, and several million more in refugee relief. Many of the
refugees decided to stay back, causing further burden to our overstretched
economy.

In this context, any attempt to minimize the sacrifices of the Indian people,
in particular our brave jawans, is shameful and callous to the extreme. I
do not know what Mr. Bhattacharya's agenda is, whether he is truly the
insensitive and shameless lout he comes out across, but I believe the least
he can do is to express regret for his callous remarks. 

No country, and particulary a poor one like India, spends millions of dollars
and sacrifices the lives of thousands of her sons for purely altruistic
motives. To use this as a pretext to gloss over the Indian contribution is
a typical act of communist double-speak.
From: an3943@anon.penet.fi (The_Greatest)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: a few words from your beloved president
Date: 28 Dec 92 06:00:38 GMT
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.bangladesh


	Soc.culture.bangladesh   has  been  an  unmoderated  newsgroup  for
	years.  Recently it has been repeatedly attacked by the inhabitants 
	of soc.culture.indians and soc.culture.pakistanis and it has become
	necessary  to  defend  this  group from these unwanted invaders. We 
	simply cannot tolerate this abuse any more. 

	We need  protection.   And  we  need a government. I hereby declare
	myself the President of soc.culture.bangladesh. I will be forming a 
	council of ministers  shortly.  I  am considering the possibility of
	appointing Lieutenant General  Al-Haj Hussain Muhammad Ershad P.S.C, 
	as my chief advisor.   Given his experience, he is probably the most 
	suitable person to assist me tackle this situation. 

	There  will  be  no  freedom  of  speech  until my next announcement. 
	Nobody  is  allowed to  discuss/write  anything  against  me  and my
	government.   Any  attempt  to do so will  be   considered a serious
 	offense against the state and will be taken very seriously.  

	I  have  ordered  my  army  to be prepared.  They will do anything to
	protect this group.  

	I would like to ask the subscribers of this  group  not to  panic.  I
	assure you that everything is under control and you are in good hands. 
	An election will be held within six months and I will hand over power
	to a democratic authority.  But  there will be an authority, since it 
	has become  clear that many of us don't have the maturity to properly
	appreciate  the freedom of speech we have been enjoying and therefore 
	scb can no longer remain as an unmoderated news group.


	God bless you,
	God bless soc.culture.bangladesh


	- The_Greatest 





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From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
Subject: Re: Early bengali Lit. ( Was Alt.culture.bengal)
Date: 26 Dec 1992 14:57:09 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu




In article <lh78290@pion.lanl.gov), lahiri@pion.lanl.gov ( Amitabha Lahiri) writes:
In article <1hdh7kINN86h@menudo.uh.edu>, mecele3@jane.uh.edu ( Arindam) writes:

>> ..... Only Bengali writings worthy of note before the
>> Renessiance period is the composers of the Bengali Ramayana and
>> Mahabharata.

> Tut, tut :-) -- Forgetting Chandidas is unforgivable. Not many Bengalis
> are well-versed ( forgive the pun) with his works though.

How about the Bengali writers who wrote in Sanskrit? Jayadeva for example?
Such richness in sanskrit poetry is rarely seen elsewhere. I would certainly
count them in, since writing in Sanskrit was in vogue at that time. ( Like
writing in persian later - Raja Rammohan Roy for example) Besides, aren't
we concerned with the literary contributions of the Bengali society as a
whole instead of just the contributions in Bengali language alone??


>> Arindam

> Amitabha

Bijoy

Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.pakistan
From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Subject: Re: Death threat on News Groups
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 19:41:51 GMT

In article <1hfitrINNkl4@crcnis1.unl.edu> fall266@cse.unl.edu () writes:
>khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman) writes:
>
>>>Yes you are right but he proved that he had no need of permission form any body he had enogh power to take any action.  It would be lot easer for him to ask army to accept him as the new prime minister of the country then to demand for 
>>>seprate country.
>>>
>>>specially if you look at the pressure from different levels of even army at Yahya to find a political solution of a political problem you will find that MUjib was thinking some thing more than the benitfits of his own people.  It is more 
>>>proudful for some body to be the founder of a country then mearly a primeminester.  He din not make any mistake in estimating the power of army in bangladesh
>>>  but he simply underestimated bangali people.
>>> 	this is proved by the revival of democracy in BD when Begum Khalida Zia won the election, and people made a better choice.  This showed the people who 
>>>were emotional at one time took a rational step at another time.
>>>
>
>>I personally don't think this above article is worth any follow up discussion.
>>I hope Bangladeshi netters will agree with me.  Seems to me that we have to
>>learn to cut through rubbish.
>
>>Khaleq
>Now you are threatening your self by saying " we have to learn to cut through rubbish"
>"You personally don think"   this  is the only true confession you have said.
>Let me know who accused of thinking.
>
>If you want to know what bangladeshi want see in the belet boxes.  Go and learn from the history.
>What heppen to mujib, bhoto and Indra and thier families.  Yes every man in the world who use his mind is a threat to the people who will bring mischief and unjustic to this world because these people are the threat to humanity.
>Yes I am agree it does not need any follow up because that is what every body agrees.
>Living in the USA and talk about those people who are left behind is easy but to live like them is difficult. 
>Take care of your self you really need to rearrange the priorities.  Off balance mind have performed very little to produce balanced conclussions.  Hate of any thing even of Jamati or fudamentalism had to produce any good fruit then you did not have to work.
>

I am completely lost.  I really don't undestand what he is trying to convey.
Maybe someone else can come forward to explain to me, please.

Khaleq
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: wasi@athena.mit.edu (Wasiuddin A. Wahid)
Subject: Re: Imbecile Mustafa's Questions. ( Was Re: Moslems@)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:49:29 GMT




Irfan Ahmed and Mustafa Ibrahim,


I am writing to Irfan cos I know it's no use trying to talk sense into Mustafa Ibrahim.

Could you guys please take your India-Pakistan debates to the relevant newsgroups. 



-Wasi.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: khaleq@brahms.udel.edu (Mohame Khalequzzaman)
Subject: Re: Soc.culture.religion.indian-subcontinent
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:48:07 GMT

In article <1hdc3cINNl67@rave.larc.nasa.gov> zaman@asdsun.larc.nasa.gov (Khan Fakhruzzaman) writes:
>If you really want a nonbiased name, drop the word 'indian' 
>from it. Better say, soc.culture.religion.subcontinent. 
>Subcontinent is the word well understood throughout the 
>world. Moreover, it will never hurt the feelings of anyone 
>(I hope) from the nations of subcontinent (eg. Nepal, Bhutan
>Sri Lanka, Maldwip.....)
>
>Regards
>Fakhruzzaman
>
>
> 

I agree.  The word subcontinent is self explanatory, because there is only
one subcontinent in this world (you can consult any geographer on that).

Khaleq
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh
From: wasi@athena.mit.edu (Wasiuddin A. Wahid)
Subject: Re: Imbecile Mustafa's Questions. ( Was Re: Moslems@)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 19:53:15 GMT



Irfan,

I am not for a minute trying to defend Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, but I would like you to try to
remember something called the seige of Beirut. Maybe then you will not be so sympathetic towards
Israel. 


-Wasi.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.bangladesh