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From: urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: BUG in 5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 Sendmail
Date: 22 Dec 1992 02:46:48 +0100
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, FRG
NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1

There's a rather deadly bug in the sendmail which says "5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4"
when I SMTP to it. I don't know if that bug has been reported, and frankly
I don't care, not runing sendmail myself.

% telnet amiga.physik.unizh.ch 25
220 amiga.physik.unizh.ch 5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 Sendmail [...]
HELO smurf.sub.org
250 Hello smurf.sub.org, pleased to meet you
MAIL From:<anybody-at-all>
250 postmaster... Sender ok
RCPT To:<another-anybody>
250 <another-anybody>... Recipient ok
DATA
354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
X-Charset: Dead

.
554 getchout: open of charset output translation file //usr/local/lib/mail/char/DEAD
quit
221 amiga.physik.unizh.ch closing connection

Very neat. An undocumented and optional header causes my mail to fail.
NOT GOOD:

Now, we replace the word "Dead" with the empty string. Guess what? The mailer
hangs.

Very nice. Very nice indeed.

!!! Test your software before letting it loose on the Internet !!!


Disclaimer1: This may be a local hack by amiga.physik.unizh.ch.
	     If so, sorry to annoy the rest of the world with this.
Disclaimer2: I'm sorry if this looks like a flame. It's not. Not really,
	     anyway. Well, let's assume it isn't.  ;-)

-- 
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people should not want that system, then that people should establish a
different system.
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From: eric@CS.Berkeley.EDU (Eric Allman)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Re: Does alias lookup iterate?
Date: 30 Dec 1992 18:07:59 GMT
Organization: UC Berkeley Mammoth Project
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: eric@CS.Berkeley.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: mastodon.cs.berkeley.edu
Keywords: sendmail alias

In article <1992Dec30.172952.3042@unison.com>, mac@unison.com (Michael A. Casteel) writes:
|> What I have repeatedly bitten myself with would be solved if sendmail
|> iterated alias lookup. A brief example:
|> 
|> STAFF   john,fred
|> ...
|> john    johnh@somewhere
|> 
|> This just DOESN'T seem to work, I get complaints that john doesn't
|> exist when I mail to STAFF. You see, I was SO used to mailing to 
|> john (NOT johnh@somewhere) that I just used 'john' when I added
|> STAFF. Gets me every time.
|> 
|> Version 5.65 of sendmail (it's HP-UX 8.0).

HPUX may have broken it -- but I can assure you, iterated (I think
of them as recursive) aliases do work in all versions of sendmail
from Berkeley.

By the way, there are colons in the sendmail aliases file -- are you
sure you aren't using some other aliasing mechanism, such as one
provided by your user agent?

eric
From: imb@asstdc.oz.au (michael butler)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: "Standard" Behavior of $[ $] Syntax (?)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 20:59:00 +1100

rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert) writes:

 > Sendmail is different from other networking software.  

 [ .. ]

 > But the ambiguity is a big problem for
 > non-interactive software, such as mail transfers.

I experienced a somewhat graphic and tragic example of 'smart' name completion
not so long ago .. a fully qualified and correct address in Siberia (*.su) was
magically transformed into an unknown and unreplyable Sydney University
site-name (*.su.oz.au) :-(

    michael
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
From: 75300.1324@compuserve.com (Nick Arnett)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: MIME & the Mac
Date: 29 Dec 92 23:42:49 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

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Time:2:42 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          MIME & the Mac                        
Date:12/29/92
The discussions of NextMail and the Mac are prompting me to ask if
there is there a MIME reader for the Mac?  If so, where would I find
it?  I've recently found how to do anonymous FTP via mail (my only
access to the net for now), though I haven't really given it a good
test yet...

Nick Arnett
President
Multimedia Computing Corp.
Campbell, Calif.




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From: paulhz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Paul Hertz)
Subject: Re: Converting Hard Copy Docs to Multi/Hyper Media
Followup-To: comp.mail.multi-media,comp.multimedia,comp.graphics
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 15:11:15 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.133710.22267@ncs.com>, werner@ncs.com (Paul Werner)
wrote:
> 
> 
> Let me give you the scenario first and then my questions.  (NOTE:
> the platform is restricted to either a PC or IBM RS/6000.)

OK, the advice I'm about to give is for the Mac, but (one hopes) the
platforms are converging towards the Power PC technology, so maybe it isn't
tooo off the wall.

There are plenty of good OCR products, and no end of scanners out there.
The Nikon slide scanner (which we use here) is _excellent_. Microtech has a
far more inexpensive slide scanner, without the same high resolution, which
you may not need anyway. We occasionally use OmniPage, which is also quite
good, and I think there is a PC version, as well.



> 	3.  Is there any way to take the document just created via 
> 	    OCR and automatically turn it into a multi/hyper media
> 	    application?  For instance, could an ASCII file be run 
> 	    through a program which will turn it into a Toolbook
> 	    application (or any other multi/hyper media format)?


Voyager's Expanded Book Toolkit for the Mac/HyperCard converts text
documents into HyperCard format. My understanding (haven't seen it in
action yet) is that it converts paragraphs to individual cards, retains
formatting such as bold and italic, and provides a wealth of hooks for
hypertext scripts, etc. I believe it opens Microsoft Word files, so you
should be able to port files from the PC environment easily (if the
roundabout sketched here really is a solution). You can convert HyperCard
stacks to ToolBook format using a utility from Heizer Software Exchange
(P.O. Box 232019, Pleasant Hill, CA 94523, 1-800-888-7667). Reports are
that it works okay, but requires subsequent tweaking, especially of
graphics. 

There probably aren't any truly automatic solutions for converting a
document to hypertext--all of them require you to edit and use authoring
tools, and possibly even get into scripting.




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From: nsb@THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (Nathaniel Borenstein)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Re: NeXTMail on the Mac
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:21:40 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

Excerpts from internet.mmm-people: 28-Dec-92 NeXTMail on the Mac Mitch
Silverman@ucbvax.B (1115)

>  If so, do the annotations conform to
> MIME standards, or, more to the point, was the MIME standard 
> written to allow for NeXTMail transmission?

One of the ways we achieved consensus in defining MIME was by making
sure that we weren't standardizing on any existing format for which some
vendor would have a substantial advantage.  Thus MIME is not NeXTMail. 
However, it is not really very hard to take an existing multimedia mail
program and retrofit it to read and write MIME instead of its native
format -- I did it, for example, with the latest version of Andrew.

You could also, in theory, encapsulate an entire Nextmail message by
defining a MIME type for it (e.g. application/nextmail) but that would
be a poor solution, in my view, because it wouldn't interoperate well. 
Much better would be for future versions of Nextmail software to
understand both its own format and MIME, and to generate whichever the
user prefers.  -- Nathaniel
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
From: davecb@nexus.yorku.ca (David Collier-Brown)
Subject: Re: NeXTMail on the Mac
Keywords: NeXT, Mac, mail, sound
Organization: York University
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 03:33:08 GMT

wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 229-3361) writes:
|Hopefully someone will develop a service to convert NeXTmail to MIME

Done.  ftp it from nexus.yorku.ca, in pub/n2m.1.3.shar[.Z]

--dave

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CANADA. 416-223-8968  | occasional sendfail(8) consultant.
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
From: wilcoxt@cuug.ab.ca (Terrance Wilcox 229-3361)
Subject: Re: NeXTMail on the Mac
Keywords: NeXT, Mac, mail, sound
Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:25:23 GMT

In article <4337@novavax.UUCP> mitch@novavax.UUCP (Mitch Silverman) writes:
>
>First of all, what is NeXTMail?  I presume it's reg'lar email with
>sound annotations, correct?  If so, do the annotations conform to
>MIME standards, or, more to the point, was the MIME standard 
>written to allow for NeXTMail transmission?
>

NeXTmail is the NeXT multimedia-mail application. It allows drag and drop
transmission of sound, pictures, files, and rich text. The MIME standard
and NeXTmail seem to have been written independently.

>Second, does software exist for the Mac to generate and output
>(i.e. record and transmit, and receive and playback--usefully)
>NeXTMail on the Mac?  Is such software in the works?  Will it
>(I hope) work with Apple's Communication Tool Box (thereby 
>allowing its use via serial dialup and terminal emulation,
>not merely via TCP/IP--which I do not have.)
>

No, there's not any software currently available that allows the use of
NeXTmail on the Mac. It would be nice if there was. If someone is 
developing NeXTmail for the Mac, I'd love to have it.

Hopefully someone will develop a service to convert NeXTmail to MIME
and vice versa. Or register the NeXTmail formats as MIME formats (if
that'll work).

Terry Wilcox



Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
From: 75300.1324@compuserve.com (Nick Arnett)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: MIME & the Mac
Date: 30 Dec 92 02:49:05 GMT
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Time:2:42 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          MIME & the Mac                        
Date:12/29/92
The discussions of NextMail and the Mac are prompting me to ask if
there is there a MIME reader for the Mac?  If so, where would I find
it?  I've recently found how to do anonymous FTP via mail (my only
access to the net for now), though I haven't really given it a good
test yet...

Nick Arnett
President
Multimedia Computing Corp.
Campbell, Calif.




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From: werner@ncs.com (Paul Werner)
Subject: Converting Hard Copy Docs to Multi/Hyper Media
Organization: National Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 13:37:10 GMT


Let me give you the scenario first and then my questions.  (NOTE:
the platform is restricted to either a PC or IBM RS/6000.)

	I would like to scan a user manual for one of our company's
	products.  Then I would like to OCR it and put it in some 
	desktop publishing/word processor format (the manual contains
	text and graphics so desktop publishing may be best).  
	Moreover, once it is OCR'd, I'd like to turn it into a 
	multi/hyper media format so that users can get quick access to 
	the info they need.  I would really like to add audio/video
	sequences to make certain parts easier to understand.

Okay, now for my questions:

	1.  Can you recommend any good scanners and scanning programs.
	    NOTE:  I would also like to scan slides and transparencies
	    (I have seen a flatbed scanner with a special attachment
	    which allows scanning slides, but would like recommendations
	    anyway.)

	2.  Can you recommend any good OCR programs.  It should be able
	    to handle multiple fonts, multiple columns, segregrating
	    text from graphics, multiple word processing/desktop publ.
	    formats, etc.

	3.  Is there any way to take the document just created via 
	    OCR and automatically turn it into a multi/hyper media
	    application?  For instance, could an ASCII file be run 
	    through a program which will turn it into a Toolbook
	    application (or any other multi/hyper media format)?

I'd appreciate any comments to these or other issues relating to this 
sort of project which I haven't raised.

Thanks,

Paul
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From: joaquin@NISC.SRI.COM (Jose Garcia-Luna)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Take 2, submitting papers to ACM Multimedia 93
Date: 29 Dec 92 18:56:08 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet


All:

Regarding submissions to ACM Multimedia 93:

 *	We need 6, not 5, copies of all submissions.

 *	We  accept electronic submissions in ASCII and PostScript only


Thanks to Steve Feiner for pointing this out.

Happy new year!

JJ
From: 00gwmichelin@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Level 3 Authoring System
Summary: TenCORE vs. Quest
Date: 23 Dec 92 18:30:00 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

How many people are using TenCORE LAS 4.2?  How many people are using Quest
4.0?  What's the difference?  Which is better and why?

Gilbert Michelini
Faculty Development Multimedia Lab
Ball State University
Muncie, Indiana
00gwmichelin@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
From: mitch@novavax.UUCP (Mitch Silverman)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: NeXTMail on the Mac
Keywords: NeXT, Mac, mail, sound
Date: 28 Dec 92 02:57:03 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Nova University, Fort Lauderdale, FL

Dear netters:

Two questions--related, and (so far as I can tell) not included
in the comp.mail.misc FAQ--the only FAQ I could find.

First of all, what is NeXTMail?  I presume it's reg'lar email with
sound annotations, correct?  If so, do the annotations conform to
MIME standards, or, more to the point, was the MIME standard 
written to allow for NeXTMail transmission?

Second, does software exist for the Mac to generate and output
(i.e. record and transmit, and receive and playback--usefully)
NeXTMail on the Mac?  Is such software in the works?  Will it
(I hope) work with Apple's Communication Tool Box (thereby 
allowing its use via serial dialup and terminal emulation,
not merely via TCP/IP--which I do not have.)

I suggest that responses be posted, as I think this is a 
question of general interest--I've neen netting for several
years, used a NeXT for a total of about 15 minutes, and this is
all I know about NeXTMail.

I'll post a similar message on comp.sys.mac.comm, and post
here if I get anywhere.

Thanks in advance,
Mitch Silverman,
Student, New College of the University of South Florida 
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
From: rens@lorax.shearson.com (Rens Troost)
Subject: Re: Take 2, submitting papers to ACM Multimedia 93
Reply-To: rens@shearson.com (Rens Troost)
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Distribution: inet
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:56:48 GMT

In article <9212291856.AA01302@bear.nisc.sri.com> joaquin@NISC.SRI.COM (Jose Garcia-Luna) writes:

   Regarding submissions to ACM Multimedia 93:

    *	We need 6, not 5, copies of all submissions.

    *	We  accept electronic submissions in ASCII and PostScript only

Does this mean one should send 6 copies of the postscript file? :)

Happy New Year, All.

-Rens


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: MIME & the Mac
Date: 30 Dec 92 05:55:23 GMT
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Time:2:42 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          MIME & the Mac                        
Date:12/29/92
The discussions of NextMail and the Mac are prompting me to ask if
there is there a MIME reader for the Mac?  If so, where would I find
it?  I've recently found how to do anonymous FTP via mail (my only
access to the net for now), though I haven't really given it a good
test yet...

Nick Arnett
President
Multimedia Computing Corp.
Campbell, Calif.




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From: 75300.1324@compuserve.com (Nick Arnett/GO MULTIM)
Newsgroups: comp.mail.multi-media
Subject: Sorry about that
Date: 3 Jan 93 02:01:01 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: The Internet

All,

Please accept my sincere apologies for the mail server screw-up that caused my
system to keep posting the same message over and over, with expanding
headers...  It was caused by a new script I'm using.  I haven't figured out how
to fix it yet, but I'm not going to send any messages to any lists from the
server until I figure it out.

Since this is a multimedia mail list, I'll explain briefly...  I'm using
QuickMail, which looks for a line starting with "Attn:" and delivers the
message to any user who has the name that follows it.  It also pre-pends
messages with a similar "Attn:" line.  So the server was finding the "Attn:" in
the incoming message from the list, then sending it back out to the list.  This
caught be by surprise because I had only entered the list address on my system,
not in the server.  But now I know that the server compiles a database of all
addresses used by the workstations.

It's really kind of stupid, since it assures that these sort of circular things
can happen.  And the worst part is that I wouldn't even know about it because
I'd never see the messages.  Luckily, I subscribe to the list under a different
address than the one that I use to send messages, so I did receive several
messages from people on the list who were annoyed by the repeating messages.

I think I'm going to modify the outgoing mail script to drop the "Attn:"
line...

Embarrassed,

Nick Arnett
President
Multimedia Computing Corp.
Campbell, California
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: weisen@alw.nih.gov (Neil Weisenfeld)
Subject: Silly Bug -- ELM 2.4PL17
Organization: National Inst. of Health, DCRT, CSL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 15:45:15 GMT

I don't think that this one will keep anyone from using Elm, but I
figured that I'd point it out.

My main mail directory is ~/Mail, but I also keep some stuff in another
directory ~/MailDelivery.  The bug that I came across is when I change
to the folder ~/MailDelivery/xxx, it prints the current folder name as
=Delivery/xxx :-).  Now, this might be a feature if you could change to
=Delivery/xxx, but unfortunately, this doesn't work.


--Neil


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Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
From: ramakris@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Balaji Ramakrishnan)
Subject: Starting elm on AIX
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 18:59:32 GMT

Hi,

I have been able to compile elm on AIX.  But when I execute I get the 
following error message.  

Can't create lock file! Need write permission in "/usr/spool/mail/".


Can anyone suggest how to remedy this.

I checked the rights on 

   /usr/spool  ......     rwxrwxrwx

&  /usr/spool/mail  ..... rw-rw----

They seem to be okay. Hope someone can help me out

Balaji
From: jpolak@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: comp.mail.elm
Subject: Re: Embedded "=" in Email address
Date: 31 Dec 92 21:47:50 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <1hv0ncINNmfb@dsinc.dsi.com>, syd@dsi.com (Syd Weinstein) writes:
> jpolak@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>>I have a correspondent whoes Email address is of the form
> 
>>	John=Smith@....
> 
>>that is, it has an "=" embedded in it. If I try to setup an alias
>>for this address elm is not able to parse it properly (it seems to
>>assume that the embedded "=" is a component of the aliasing syntax).
> 
>>Is there any way around this problem, e.g., is there an escape character
>>I can use to force elm to treat the embedded "=" literally.
> 
> In 2.4, the proper method is to quote the address, as in
> 	"John=Smith"@site

Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately I'm using 2.3, and the 
quoting method you suggest appears not to work - i.e., it still
interprets the address as "Smith"@site, not "John=Smith"@site.

Any further suggestions?

--
John Polak