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From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: Cutting and pasting to vi/UNIX
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:16:11 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.010833.194879@zeus.calpoly.edu> hvontres@zeus.calpoly.edu (Han(d)s (Henry von Tresckow)) writes:
>
>Here is my problem: I am trying to use notepad and GeoComm as a better 
>alternative to vi. :)
>But I still haven't figured out a good way to paste things BACK to my UNIX
>account. Any suggestions? 
>
>Shagg??????

Well, I'm no Shag (then again, who is? :-) but let me see if I can
help.

I assume that what you want to do is something like this: Write a note
in Notepad, cut it to the clipboard (or do a quick copy -- see below),
activate the GeoComm window, and paste your text to a file on the Unix
box.  I've done this on a number of Unix boxes with small Notepad files
(what other kind are there? :-), and this is how I do it:

If Emacs is installed, I just start it up with the filename I want,
paste the text, and exit.  It does all the word wrap for me
automatically.

If Emacs isn't installed and I have to use vi, then I usually turn on
vi's word wrap function and cut/paste a paragraph at a time.  I've
found that word wrap slows vi down, and vi's input buffer often isn't
big enough to hold all the text that piles up as a result.  I haven't
really tried this without word wrap turned on, so I don't know how
well that would work.

If you don't care about word wrap, you can do what C programming gurus
do and use cat to enter your text :-).  To paste your text into a file
called myfile you just type

cat >myfile

 or

cat - >myfile

and then paste your text in.  This has about the same effect as typing
"copy con myfile" at the DOS prompt.  Once you're done pasting your
text you need to type Control-D (or whatever your EOF character is set
to; typing "stty" at the Unix prompt wil tell you) to close the file.
Under BSD Unix you can then reformat your text to 72 (?) columns by
piping it through fmt.  I forget what the corresponding command is
under System V or HPUX or ...

Hope this helps.

Oh, yeah.  To do a quick copy, just highlight the Notepad text you
want, click and hold the *right* mouse button, move the mouse cursor
to where you want the text to go, and release the right mouse button.
Very slick and it works from practically anywhere in GEOS.  Just
another cool thing I've learned while reading this newsgroup.

-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
From: 901106c@axe.acadiau.ca (TIM CHIPMAN)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: How to prevent system Hangup After installing LOTS of fonts??
Date: 26 Jan 93 19:19:42 GMT
Organization: Acadia University


I am running pcgeos/working model on a 486/33 with 8 megs ram, 80meg HD, 
SVGA monitor, etc etc. System resources are quite adequate, I believe.

I recently downloaded from wuarchive.wustl.edu all of the gwfont0##.ZIP 
files full of fonts. I then UNZIPPED them into the appropriate directory 
(/fonts or whatever)

Anyway. After playing around with them for a while, the system hung. Dead as 
a doornail. First time geos has done that sort of thing to me. 

However, I seem to recall that there was a solution for this, (I have been 
following this group for a while)... something to do with handles..?

Can someone PLEASE tell me what I should do to make geos happy again???

Thanks! I appreciate any help I can get.

Tim Chipman
901106c@axe.acadiau.ca
901106c@dragon.acadiau.ca




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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: baumgart@cse.uta.edu (Joseph P Baumgartner)
Subject: Re: Stacker & GeoPro
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:35:42 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

Just a thought (I use SuperStore and had problems like this), GEOS uses
a SWAP file which can be configured through the setup program in GEOS. I
ran into problems when there wasn't enough room for the swap file.

Also, it's a very good idea to put the swap file on an uncompressed
disk.

Maybe this will help,

Joey Baumgartner.

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Subject: Re: config for GEOS
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:35:48 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

In comp.os.msdos.pcgeos you write:

>Please tell me, Krisda, what country are you in. I've never see a ".th"
>in an address before.

ShagGuess: Thailand. 

-Shag

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: inexpensive or free programming language?
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:21:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.152431.26806@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Charles Shepherd" <cshepher@blueberry.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>I've read about the SDK. This sounds great for professional developers,
>but there aren't any languages available otherwise, and in any case
>no native-mode compilers running inside PC-GEOS. If GEOS wants to be
>considered a "viable" operating system, an inexpensive C (or other language)
>compiler is essential (perhaps a port of gcc or something similar).

Yes, Chuck, but remember that this is the *first* release of the SDK.
I certainly don't expect GeoWorks to hold off delivering the SDK until
there's a cheap native GEOS compiler.  That would imply a further
delay of years.

I'm all for a cheap GEOS-native <insert language here> compiler or
interpreter, but GeoWorks' first priority has to be getting a good SDK
out the door that at least a professional developer can use -- even if
the average Joe User can't afford it.  From my perspective, it's the
lack of third-party apps that's *killing* PC/GEOS right now; they need
to get a good SDK out the door fast.  After that they maybe should
work on a port of gcc or something, but not before.

>
>I assume most people running GEOS don't have huge budgets, and that many of
>them enjoy programming. If an inexpensive language/free language came out,
>I'd be willing to "port" and expand my Logo interpreter which is now
>running on Sunview. Would other people be willing to write GEOS programs, if
>they had the tools? 

Maybe, but I'm not a PC development kind of guy.  I'd love to see your
Logo for GEOS interpreter if you port it, though.

-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Porting C to GEOS (Re: Object Assembler)
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:40:43 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:

>...developers are customers... 
>developers ... said that C language support is what they want 
>... many people have a body of code (in C) that they want to just port... 

If the C code they have isn't already object-oriented, will it still be
portable?  Will the resultant image be inferior to one generated using
GOC?  Will an image created in GOC be inferior to one generated using
Object Assembler?

(Inferior = bigger, slower, less elegant)

-Shag (Wondering if Brian went to Berkeley, and if so, did he inhale?)

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: "Charles Shepherd" <cshepher@blueberry.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: inexpensive or free programming language?
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 15:24:11 -0500

I've read about the SDK. This sounds great for professional developers,
but there aren't any languages available otherwise, and in any case
no native-mode compilers running inside PC-GEOS. If GEOS wants to be
considered a "viable" operating system, an inexpensive C (or other language)
compiler is essential (perhaps a port of gcc or something similar).

I assume most people running GEOS don't have huge budgets, and that many of
them enjoy programming. If an inexpensive language/free language came out,
I'd be willing to "port" and expand my Logo interpreter which is now
running on Sunview. Would other people be willing to write GEOS programs, if
they had the tools? 

Chuck Shepherd
cshepher@cs.indiana.edu
From: pat@berry.Cary.NC.US (Pat Berry)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Stephen Legge's Pro Icons
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 15:09:55 EST
Organization: Berry Communications

slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

> Actually, I used PKZIP 1.93 ALPHA to zip up that file.  

Didn't you notice the warning in PKWare's README that said, in no
uncertain terms, not to use 1.93 for anything other that testing
purposes?

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Zoomer, GEOS Bootabilty (Re: Dumb Questions)
Date: 24 Jan 93 22:48:11 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:

>>...  I assume that it is the only o.s. on the pentops.  If this is
>>so, then could the same thing be done for pcs?  I would think not (or at
>>least not easily), or else why would it not be done?  

>...Pen/GEOS is the underlying system on the Zoomer...
>Pen/GEOS *is* GEOS.  I guess I'm really asking for you to clarify you're
>question. :-)

I think the question here is "if the Zoomer boots up directly into GEOS,
and does not run DOS under it, why can't I do the same on my desktop
system?"  IMO, it's a good question... I suspect the answer is going to
have something to do with a boot ROM or some similar technology, but that's
just a typical Wild Guess From Shag, since I'm still waiting for GEOS to
send me my Non-Conjecturing Agreement.

-Shag (mild-mannered ditch-digger by day, software-sadist by night)

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: hvontres@zeus.calpoly.edu (Han(d)s (Henry von Tresckow))
Subject: Cutting and pasting to vi/UNIX
Keywords: vi,sucks,notepad,better,how
Organization: CAL MONO
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:08:33 GMT

Hi there fellow Geoworkers. I have been reading this Newsgroup for quite a while
now. Keep up the good work.

Here is my problem: I am trying to use notepad and GeoComm as a better 
alternative to vi. :)
But I still haven't figured out a good way to paste things BACK to my UNIX
account. Any suggestions? 

Shagg??????

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca
Subject: Where's the PCX of "zoomer"?
Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:24:11 GMT

Did [whoever it was that was going to do it] ever upload the PCX 
images of the "Zoomer" and the accompanying ASCII text?
 
If so, I'd like to know where it is -- I *really* want to see this --
and I think think I'd like to get one!
 
Stephen Legge
SLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: cyj9h@csissun12.ee.Virginia.EDU (Charles Y. Choi)
Subject: Re: PC/GEOS X-windows feasibility
Keywords: PC/GEOS, X11
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:54:22 GMT

In article <C17z6D.5st@pandora.sf.ca.us> mitra@pandora.sf.ca.us (Mitra) writes:
>Hey - its not me you have to persuade, its someone willing to make the
>investment.
>

 Following this thread has been pretty interesting and I too would
 love to see a TCP/IP & X-server port to GEOS, but a couple of things
 come to mind:

 * This house is rigged:
    I'd say that > 90% of us here have access of one sort or another
    have access to a Unix workstation running X.  I'd be curious to
    see how many of "us" are there, enough to justify someone, say
    Pandora, to fill this market niche?  Enough for someone to live 
    off grad students with office spaces?

 * Telnet and an Xterm clone is more important than X:
    Having a Geos app that would create a different window for each
    telnet session would be really useful.  Running Xterm off of
    another machine would be a waste of bandwidth and cycles.  

 * X11 is notoriously big, slow, and likes a lot of screen space:
    This subject has been pummeled to death.  Nevertheless, support
    for X11 in Geos would probably require a 486 to make performance
    acceptable.  To really make people who usually use X11 happy,
    a 1024x1028 driver will need to be in place, for those
    fortunate enough to afford the hardware to support it.  Framemaker
    is a joy to use on a 20" monitor.  On a 14" 640x480 it'd be
    a living hell.  (added caveat: agreed, something is better than
    nothing)  (another thought, X11 on an XT with CGA? :-))

      
   "Wow!  GeoX11 for $100?  Sold!"


   -charles

-- 
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                                      -Maya the Bee
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: Eric Davies <ejdavies@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: config for GEOS
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 15:36:08 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

In comp.os.msdos.pcgeos you write:


>Dear guys.....

>	May I ask you some question!
>	What is the newest version of PC/GEOS now?

              1.2

>	Can Geoworks Pro run on XT with CGA with 640K or RAM?

              According to the box, 640K is fine. Haven't checked about CGA.
              I installed it on my mothers machine and didn't bother checking
              at the time.

>	and can Quattro Pro SE run on the same config as above?

              No idea.

>		That is all.... Thank you in advance..
>		Krisda Chongjitaporn
>		u34kcj@chulkn.chula.ac.th
Eric Davies
ejdavies@watcgl.uwaterloo.ca
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 14:53:00 CST
From: tom mckibben 2 <U51773@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Why Geos?

I bought GEOS to escape from Tandy DeathMate on my old Tandy 1000RL. It beat
the heck outta DM for file management, program launching, and just plain looks.
It also has a suite of applications that I still find useful. When I sold the
RL and got the Tandy 2500SX/20 (a 386SX) that I use now, GW moved with me.

It really flies on the SX even on a SSTOR compressed drive. I think that
integrating the DRDOS TaskMax taskswitcher is the best move I've seen short of
true DOS application multitasking.I hope that 2.0 will be out soon along with
more GEOS apps. I'd love to be able to run Maple V and QUATTRO PRO under GEOS.

thomas mckibben 2   university of illinois at chicago dept. of physics
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: kgnome@cs.concordia.ca (MATIS stephane)
Subject: Re: Filter
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:07:25 GMT

In article <Jan.13.01.33.13.1993.1721@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>quattro@thoki.toppoint.de (Thorsten Boente) writes:
>
>>Is nobody able to tell me, if it exists a filter between pcgeos
>>and winword???
>
>>I've posted this now the third time!!
>
>I think the lack of responses is due to confusing (on the part of other 
>users) regarding the terminology you use - "filter" is an unknown term
>to most of us.
>
>I believe you are stating that you wish to move files between the two
>applications, or convert them from one application to the other.
>
>Currently, to my knowledge, both programs support ASCII import/export, but
>there is no way to retain the specific formatting information from one
>program when converting a program (through ASCII) for use on the other.
>
>Although I do not speak for GeoWorks or any third-party vendor, I personally
>expect (strongly) that either
>
>1- Version 2.0 of GeoWrite will import/export other word processor files.
>
>or...
>
>2- A third-party application to convert between multiple formats will be
>   made available for GEOS.
>
>or...
>
>3- One of the existing DOS-based conversion applications will be updated to
>   handle GeoWrite documents, along with any others it currently handles.
>
>This is purely conjecture on my part, but it is based on what I believe would
>be a logical course of events with regard to document conversion.
>
>-Shag


	Personally, I think GEOS should just support RTF and be done
with it. Most current work I do is in RTF, which allows me to move
between MACs, Windows, my NeXT and even WordP for DOS.

	Proper use of RTF is a superb quality of being in 7 bit ASCII,
and fully legible.

	BTW, AOL can be reached by Ineternet. the method is :

	name@aol.com

	C'est tout.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: kgnome@cs.concordia.ca (MATIS stephane)
Subject: Re: Why did you use PC-GEOS ?
Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:41:50 GMT

chiawei@Uz.nthu.edu.tw (C.W.Teng) writes:

>      Why did you use PC-GEOS ?
>      ( Did you all have <80386 machines or <2MB RAM ? )


	I had (still have) a 286 at the time, and no intentions of
increasing the 1 meg memory on board. GEOS was superb for someone used
to Atari STs and Amigas.

	But, as things go, I couldn't do everything I needed to in
GEOwrite and I went the Window$ way... adding 4 more Megs to the 286,
and buying Word 2.0.

	Of course, that was a stop-gap effort... just until last April,
when I bought a NeXTstation Color.... and left the '286 to collect a
little mroe dust.

	I love my NeXT, and I like GEOS ... mostly because they share
some inherent ideals ... but one requires mondo memory while the other
doesn't. Given a small and fast laptop, I'd run GEOS... no doubt.
(Unless the Duo Book 210 drops SIGNIFICANTLY in price)

	So, I'm waiting for GEOS 2.0 ... 'cauze Gates' baby is SLOW and
I need somthing like RTF or Word Import/Export under '286, as my old PC
is now a node on my home network.


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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: "Lee A. Mohon" <lam4@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Subject: Re: Dumb Questions
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:36:26 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

Thanks Douglas...
On Tue, 26 Jan 1993, Douglas A Taylor wrote:
> I think the question you're asking is this:  Will I someday be able to run
> PC/GEOS on my PC without booting DOS first?  The answer (according to
> Brian Dougherty, GeoWorks CEO) is yes -- eventually.  Not in v2.0, but
> eventually.
> The only DOS system calls that PC/GEOS uses involve the file system
> (locating files, deleting files, formatting disks, etc.).  PC/GEOS
> handles all other normal functions of a "real operating system" itself
> (and much better than DOS does, IMHO).
That PC/GEOS does all of the other functions is why it is so frustrating
that I cannot dispense with DOS altogether.  I had not heard that B. D.
had said that, but it would be nice if GW replaced DOS and just offered
a shell in which to run DOS programs.

> Version 1.2 and above include a utility for converting from the URW
> font format to PC/GEOS format.  There are commercial font-conversion
> utilities you can use (sorry, I can't remember any titles.  Allfonts,
> maybe?) to convert from various other formats to one of these.
I was aware of this; unfortunately, I'm not always sure which fonts are URW.

> As soon as I can find a couple hours I'll update the FAQ to reflect
> the latest GEOS 2 info that I've heard on this group.  The current
> version of the FAQ has some info on new features.  You can get a copy
> of it by anonymous ftp to pit-manager.mit.edu, in the
> /pub/usenet/news.answers subdirectory, using the archive name
> pcgeos-faq.
Great, the biggest problem of the Internet is knowing where to find
information.

> No.  Most word processors, including GeoWrite, can import/export plain
> ASCII text, but I don't know of any that handle GeoWrite files.  In
> version 2 GeoWrite should have the capability to import/export a
> number of different WP formats.  WordPerfect is the only one I've
> heard mentioned specifically, but I'm hoping for MS-Word support as
> well.
The arrogant...
Anyway, thanks again. 
Lee Mohon.
MSU
From: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Object Assembler
Date: 22 Jan 93 20:43:41 GMT
Reply-To: exuhag@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Richardson, TX
X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.
              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the
              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.

John D. Mitchell writes:
>
>Other people refuse to learn assembly language 'on principle'
>since it 'must be harder/slower/more-error-prone/etc.' to program 
>in than C/BASIC/whatever.

I've found this is usually the case (speaking about assembly
language in general, not Obj-Asm).  The common opinion
seems to be "assembly language is really really hard to program
in and you can't write real programs in it and it is impossible
to do structured or OO programming--everything is just spaghetti
code,"  I'm not saying that assembly language is normally a
good choice for most projects, just that much of the objections
to it are 'everybody knows that...' opinions that most people 
don't have the right to hold.

Time to shut up, I think :-)

--
James Hague   
exuhag@exu.ericsson.se