From: cjk@netcom.com
Subject: Re: Homosexuality as a religion--Fu** That!
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:06:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.045422.7509@netcom.com>, cjk@netcom.com writes:

>>[HOMOSEXUALITY AS A RELIGION EDITORIAL]

>Will this never cease.  I can understand you want equal rights...but
>enough is enough already!!!  Read this and burn it into your memory: 
>HOMOSEXUALITY IN *HUMANS* IS *NOT* NATURAL!  

I never said it was natural.  If we all did what was natural we would be
running around naked, living in caves and killing each other for our food 
and women.  The question is, is it civilized.

>Furthermore, although there shouldn't be any discrimination...HOMOSEXUALITY 
>DOES *NOT* HAVE TO BE SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE!  

Sounds like the definition of a religion. (hehehehe)

>...but you can't FORCE anyone into thinking your way!  Otherwise, 
>call the Thought Police, because Big Brother just became a reality.

Homosexuality as a definitive minority class will put social force and legal 
force on us to accept it.  As a religion we can legitimitly reject its
doctrine.  Disbelieve its doctrine.  Deny its doctrine and not be considered
prejudiced or bigoted.

>Make Homosexuality a religion, and you'll scare all the kids off of the
>street.  It is a FACT that most molestations occur by homosexual males.  
>Just listen to every newscast.  If it wasn't a parental molestation...
>it was done by some stranger who was a HOMOSEXUAL MALE!  If homosexuality 
>is a *protected* religion...then will your actions be protected too.  
>Will you become like the satanists and try to plead freedom of religion 
>when you molest a poor child just like the satanists try to plead freedom 
>of religion with their dog/cat/human sacrifices.  I for one am violently 
>opposed to this idea. Furthermore, no religion is protected...we have the 
>freedom of religion...but they are not explicitly protected by anything.  
>Why should you guys be any different???

I guess this is the *bleak picture* argument.  Paint a very bleak and scary
picture of the results and hope nobody notices that there is no basis for
the argument.  

Homosexuality as a religion merely gives them the freedom to believe in what
they do, yet protection (as individuals) as set forth under the Constitution.
It also give us the freedom to reject their doctrine without the hate that
is associated with it now.  It doesn't allow them to violate anybody elses
rights.  Can't you see that as long as they can keep painting us as in
negative images (prejudiced, bigoted and the like...) that they will 
eventually win.  You see, as a religion they wont be different.  They will
be the same.

>Also, I have heard the word homophobic enough.  Becuase someone does 
>not like homosexuals does NOT mean they are homophobic...that is their 
>freedom of choice that they are entitles to.  

Yes.  You are right.  But its not that I don't like homosexuals.  I don't 
like homosexuality.  And I am not homophobic.  And I would like to maintain 
that freedom to do so without being so.  

>......Face it, you will always be an unaccepted minority...that's the 
>way a democracy works.  You want respect...you earn it!  You don't FORCE 
>anyone to bow to the left wing socialist values...or you deserve every 
>bit of retribution (other than physical gay bashing and hate crimes) 
>that you get.  

But if people continue to bash gays, they will be a repressed minority.
Accepted and Unaccepted are not the issues here.  Repression is.  And 
democracy eventualy treats the repressors very bitterly.  If we continue 
to repress them, then they become a *cause*  then they represent a 
*social injustice*.  And eventually gain favor with the general population.

>No...your mission to convert people to homosexuality and to make it an
>acceptable lifestyle will never work.  I will not allow myself to be 
>subjected to living under the laws you guys propose because you want 
>more than just acceptance.

I did not post my editorial to convert homosexuals to heterosexuals or 
heterosexuals to homosexuals.   Homosexuals say they want equal rights,
not special rights.  I say lets give it to them.  But under the same
restrictions as a religion.  If they refuse to accept that, than it is
more than equal rights they want.  It is the acceptance of their behavior
as morally equivalent to heterosexuality.  Which is impossible  with
todays social norm.

>Let people adapt SLOWLY...for god's sake, 
>the black man still hasen't gained total acceptance and that 
>discrimination is centuries old. It may not be right...but it is.  
>We are trying to eliminate this discrimination, but it's going slow.  
>That's the way a democracy works.  If you don't like this democracy...
>don't convert it to PC-based socialism...go somewhere else.  Either 
>that, or don't come out of the closet.  If I went down south, I would 
>not declare myself a Catholic because I would be hated down there.  
>That's life in the USA...accept it. or work on gradual change...or 
>leave!  Just quit whining...the problem IS being worked on.  Just 
>don't piss people off and push for anything more than equality...
>because NOBODY (and that includes homosexuals) is entitled to any 
>advantage unless they EARN IT.

I agree.  Evolution not revolution.  Homosexuality will be tolerated
with each successive generation.  But if legislation is passes that
specificaly protects homosexuality than they will have something more.
Something underserving.  So make it a religion and it will be classified
where it belongs.  In the belief catagory.  We can dislike it, we can 
talk out against it, we can preach its sins.  They only thing is we can't
discriminate against it.  Because freedom of religion is one of the basics
of our democracy.

Chris Kevlahan
cjk@netcom.com

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