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From: coonstot@quads.uchicago.edu (charles orville onstott)
Subject: The Metaphysical Foundations of Logic
Reply-To: coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 20:51:31 GMT

This is an invitation to participate in an email reading group.

I am interested in reading Heidegger's _The Metaphysical Foundations
of Logic_("Logik").

The cover description of the book is as follows:

"Offering a full-scale study of the theory of reality
hidden beneath modern logic, _The Metaphysical Foundations of Logic_,
a lecture course given in 1928, illuminates the transitional phase
in Heidegger's thought from the existential analysis of 
_Being and Time_ to the overcomming of metaphysics in his later
philosophy.  In a searching exposition of the metaphysical
problems underpinning Leibniz's theory of logical judgment,
Heidegger establishes that a given theory of logic is rooted
in a certain conception of Being.  He explores the
significance of Western logic as a system-building technical tool
and as a cultural pheomenon that is centuries old."

Insofar as I am concerned, I will be approaching this text
from a cultural angle.  However, other approaches are encouraged.
My agenda is to check the validity of the argumentation and
assess the consequences on both a description of
"modernity" and on autonomous theologies.  However, other
agendas are encouraged as long as validity is a part of it.

If you are interested, please reply by email so that I can
add you to the list.  I will be mailing out the "reading assignments"
in about 1 week along with the publication information.

Thank You,

Charles O. Onstott, III

-- 
Charles O. Onstott, III                         (coonstot@midway.uchicago.edu)
Graduate Student in Religion and the Human Sciences
The University of Chicago Divinity School
           "For [the study of] history, too, has its fashions."  (Anouilh)
From: andy.liddiard@almac.co.uk (Andy Liddiard)
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the F
Date: 4 Jan 93 19:14:00 GMT
Reply-To: andy.liddiard@almac.co.uk (Andy Liddiard)
Organization: Almac BBS Ltd. +44 (0)324 665371


MZ/*cordially,
MZ/*mikhail zeleny@husc.harvard.edu
MZ/*"Les beaulx bastisseurs nouveaulx de pierres mortes ne sont escriptz
MZ/*en mon livre de vie.  Je ne bastis que pierres vives: ce sont hommes."

MZ/*P.S.    "I am sorry I had to stab you in the back."
MZ/*        (You to me, in November, 1985)

One has to compliment R. Stallman on his good taste, and rue the
fact that he didn't make a better job of it :-)

 Andy ~ london ~ uk                        andy.liddiard@almac.co.uk
                                           notes01@clstr.pnl.ac.uk
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 . SLMR 2.1a #112 . Ye could tell he had a bevvy oan um.
                            
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
Subject: Re: Introduction to Objectivism
Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 12:07:06 GMT


   >With a bit of luck, there will shortly be a newsgroup devoted to
   >this intellectual adventure, talk.philosophy.objectivism,

  I've learned that the voting went against talk.philosophy.objectivism,
(173 yes, 78 no). Too bad.
From: mch@doc.ic.ac.uk (Mike C Holderness)
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: serres or bourdieu (is anybody reading?)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:34:53 -0000
Organization: c/o Dept Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: swan.doc.ic.ac.uk

Is anybody reading the work of either Michel Serres or Pierre Bourdieu?
I am a research student interested in both these thinkers and would like
to get in contact with others with a view to setting up a reading group.

Kerrie Lindo Middlesex University
-- but send responses to this address: mch@doc.ic.ac.uk

Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
From: warn@newton.uvm.edu (Patrick D Warn)
Subject: Re: What is Justice?
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: default
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:44:55 GMT

Truth and good I can handle, but when talking about Justice, everyone seems to
 be talking about something else. (like retribution or equality) Justice is much
harder to pin down then most of the other "intangables" in life. It was a 
thoughtful question, so I was hoping for a thoughtful answer.

--
                     Wondering what it all means,
                                 Pat
From: siphon@momad.li.ny.us (Stimpson J. Katz)
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Re: What is Justice?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 00:52:34 EST
Reply-To: siphon@Momad.LI.NY.US (Stimpson J. Katz)
Organization: Modem Madness BBS    1+516-295-9435

warn@newton.uvm.edu (Patrick D Warn) writes:

> Can someone please give me a good definiton (or at least your definition) of
> what Justice is? 
> --
>                      Wondering what it all means,
>                                  Pat


        Boy do I love an easy question.

        Justice only applies to actions of rational entities. A storm
or flood can be neither just nor unjust. An action of a rational
entity is just if the action is consistent with the facts of reality
and is required/permitted by a correct, rational ethics.

        "Mercy," by the way, is defined as an unearned and/or undeserved
forgiveness. Most of the examples of mercy that you hear are actually
examples of justice. True mercy is injustice.

SJK

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From: mch@doc.ic.ac.uk (Mike C Holderness)
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: Serres &/or Bourdieu (take 2)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 04:09:40 -0000
Organization: c/o Dept Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
Distribution: world
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Summary: reading group/s for Michel Serres, Pierre Bourdieu
Keywords: Serres, Bourdieu

Yesterday I was demonstrating the Internet/UseNet news-groups to philosopher
Kerri Lindo (Middlesex University, London UK) and she wanted to post a 
message asking whether anyone was reading the works of the above-named
French philosopers. 

Thought I'd re-post to clarify and improve the chance of responses. We were
deep in a discussion about clubs with rules (Bourdieu's work on how academic
departments exclude those people who have to learn their social rules, 
rather than arriving with them unconsciously inculcated) so it seems 
appropriate to clarify the origin and attribution of the previous
message.

Mike Holderness
  pp Kerri Lindo
  response to email mch@doc.ic.ac.uk

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From: krenner@byron.u.washington.edu (Randolph Carter)
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
Subject: FSF - what rubbish from both sides!
Date: 8 Jan 1993 07:53:46 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.u.washington.edu

Zeleny writes:
>> have no love lost for proprietors of any sort;

I am fairly neutral to this ongoing squabble, not being remotely
interested in programming, the FSF or the arcane problems of various
operating systems. However, I object to the implied assumption 
apparently held by both sides that proprietory rights, at least in
software, are inherently bad and evil things.

I'm no objecto (a necessary disclaimer when defending capitalism on
the net, apparently) but I'm hostile to any group (such as the FSF)
that seems to be trying to attack the notion of ownership of 
intellectual property. To give away intellectual property is 
fine, perhaps commendable - but I think that the FSF's pose of moral 
superiority as against Microsoft or Apple is grotesque and spurious.
Be generous if you like - why be self righteous? 

Zeleny does not escape censure either, however. What's all this 
about having no love for proprietors? Don't you own things - a car,
clothes on your back, money in the bank? Are your 
posessions free to all? Are you committing an injustice by owning
things for your exclusive use? If you were to write a book and 
copyright that book, would you be oppressing anybody? If you think
that proprietors are unloveable, why own anything? You don't seem
to be any kind of ascetic, but perhaps I'm wrong. I don't see how
a person can live as a free individual without exercising property
rights - including intellectual property rights. If you think some
kinds of intellectual property rights are invalid, then you should
be prepared to explain why. If you think "free software" (whatever
that means - and this interminable debate proves it means many 
different things to different people) is just a good thing in 
itself, that it stimulates activity and is more efficient then fine 
-that's a perfectly reasonable attitude. But don't attack the very
idea of "proprietorship" in the process. In doing so you weaken all
our rights and our freedom. Not that it really matters, of course.
Your opinions regarding property rights seem to tally nicely with the
inchoate feelings of our lower classes, as witness the last election. 

As with the head ghost in the film "Carnival of Souls" your motives and
reasoning here are obscure, to say the least. 

I strongly desire that no objectivists post supporting my position. By
rejecting God they have rejected reason and I don't want their help.
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc,gnu.misc.discuss,alt.usage.english,alt.society.anarchy
From: galt%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt)
Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:21:20 MST
Followup-To: gnu.misc.discuss,alt.society.anarchy
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <2B49ED1A.7405@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>Were X to have been a GPL product from the beginning, the public
>minded people who do contribute fixes would have continued to do so.
>The only difference would be a loss: commercial products would never
>have been, since GPL programs just don't provide the revenue stream.

That isn't necessarily true... Companies that produce hardware would 
still try to make X work better on their systems to increase hardware
sales.

But it is true that there would be less commercial products.
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Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
From: feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Feld)
Subject: Re: What is Justice?
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Distribution: default
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:46:09 GMT

In article <warn.726522476@newton> warn@newton.uvm.edu (Patrick D Warn) writes:
>Can someone please give me a good definiton (or at least your definition) of
>what Justice is? 
>--
>                     Wondering what it all means,
>                                 Pat


And "truth"?  Oh -- and "good"?
-- 
Michael Feld                  | E-mail: <feld@ccu.umanitoba.ca>
Dept. of Philosophy           | FAX: (204) 261-0021
University of Manitoba        | Voice: (204) 474-9136
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 2M8, Canada
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
From: gus3@ellis.uchicago.edu (Christian Gustafson)
Subject: Re: The Natural State
Reply-To: gus3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 01:47:49 GMT

In article <roh.5@stud.hsn.no> roh@stud.hsn.no (ROBERT HAUG) writes:
>I am a student of economics from Norway. One of my optional subjects is 
>philosophy. I've recently got a problem where I'm supposed to discuss any 
>possible similarities between the 'natural state', as several 
>philosophers  (e.g. Machiavelli, Locke, Rousseau) describes it, and a 'pure 
>market economy'.
>
>
>Could you help me and bring up your points of view. 

If you are looking for a top-notch secondary work on these authors, and
on political philosophy in general, you may want to check out
_History of Political Philosophy_ (3rd Ed, U of Chicago Press), edited by 
the late Leo Strauss.  

In each chapter a specialist considers a major political philosopher, 
from Plato to Heidegger, in twenty-five to sixty pages.  A set of
recommended readings is included at the end of every chapter, so it is 
very useful for both review and for planning your study of new authors.
cg
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:::::======  Christian Gustafson    
:::::======  gus3@midway.uchicago.edu
===========  
===========  The last living Spencerian - a veritable museum piece!
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
From: roh@stud.hsn.no (ROBERT HAUG)
Subject: The Natural State
Organization: Nordland College
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:17:15 GMT

I am a student of economics from Norway. One of my optional subjects is 
philosophy. I've recently got a problem where I'm supposed to discuss any 
possible similarities between the 'natural state', as several 
philosophers  (e.g. Machiavelli, Locke, Rousseau) describes it, and a 'pure 
market economy'.


Could you help me and bring up your points of view. 
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
From: gus3@ellis.uchicago.edu (Christian Gustafson)
Subject: A System of Logic
Keywords: Mill, Utilitarianism, Logic 
Reply-To: gus3@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 02:25:47 GMT

Over the Xmas holiday I obtained an _old_ copy of J.S. Mill's
_A System of Logic_, both for bibliophilic reasons, and, of course,
to read it.  Obviously, since Mill's _System_ was written, there have
been plenty of other texts on logic, etc. published - in my discussions
with my brother-in-law, he suggested Quine, Russell, et al - but I would
still like to know what is the CW out there for Mill's writings on logic.  
I have read book 6, on the methods of the social sciences, in the past, 
but I am interested in studying the remainder of the text.  Is the rest 
of the _System_ read these days?  Has it been superseded?  Scorned?  
And, if so, why?  I don't have time right now to devote myself to this
book, but I would like to take it up eventually, perhaps later in the
year.  In other words, I would like to know how up-to-date Mill's treatise
is on *logic* in the eyes of logicians (if it is passe, I will read it
anyway for my understanding of *Mill*).

Thanks!

p.s. I did not get a response to my query regarding whether or not 
_My Sister & I_, allegedly written by Nietzsche, is a forgery.  Does
anyone out there know for certain on this matter?


-- 
:::::======  Christian Gustafson    
:::::======  gus3@midway.uchicago.edu
===========  
===========  The last living Spencerian.
From: timk@meaddata.com (Tim Klein)
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc,rec.arts.books,rec.arts.misc,rec.humor,mdc.talk
Subject: Have you ever heard of Ian Lee?
Followup-To: rec.arts.misc
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:28:29 GMT
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
NNTP-Posting-Host: quasar.meaddata.com


On a whim, I picked up a used book called "The Third Wor'd War: Apostrophe
Theory" by someone named Ian Lee.  It was in the humor section of the
store, and it is quite funny in parts, but I would have put it with the
art books.  It's a mishmash of photos, drawings, clippings, etc.  The
author/artist likes to clip text and photos about a certain topic from
wildly different sources (e.g. Alice in Wonderland and a physics textbook)
and juxtapose them.

I think it's a work of genius, but I can't seem to find any more info
about this Ian Lee person.  The book's copyright date is 1978.  One of
its illustrations shows a book titled "My Idea of a N_vel", by Ian Lee,
with the first vowel in the last word replaced by a person's navel.
Is this a real book?  My local bookstores have never heard of Ian Lee.
Can anyone help?  Thanks!


(I have set the Followup-To line to rec.arts.misc.)

===========================================================================
Timothy Klein                 "Mellow yellow" is slang for "really groovy".
timk@meaddata.com                                         -- Jimi Hendrix
Newsgroups: talk.philosophy.misc
From: jajmoore@lagrange.uwaterloo.ca (Moses Moore)
Subject: Satan is my smurf
Keywords: smurf, satan, nipples, smurfette is a succubus
Organization: University of Waterloo
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:01:51 GMT

Yah, I remember the Smurfs=Satan stories.  It had to do with one epidsode when,
as part of a rescue mission, the smurfs rode a bird (a stork? an ibis?) and
displayed a banner with instructions for the lost smurfs on the ground.

The Smurf writing was normal english with parts of each letter removed, so after
looking at it long enough you could see the message (I remember reading the word
"rescue" as part of it when it was on the TV screen briefly).

However, this was all the evidence necessary to expose the grotesque little
daemons in blue hides for the tempters of children that they are.  Thus
Crusaders For Christ(tm) from every corner of our flat Earth stood up and
defied this attempt at corrupting our helpless youth.  etc etc more ranting
and raving.

So, anyone heard rumours of the latest no-really-this-time-for-sure Satan spawn?



Newsgroups: talk.rumors
From: bediger@teal.csn.org (Bruce Ediger)
Subject: Multiple Nipple Werewolves
Summary: see below.
Keywords: no.
Organization: Colorado StuporNet, Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:39:32 GMT


I heard that people with multiple nipples are quite probably werewolves.
From: camidei@Ingres.COM (Chris Amidei)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: Multiple Nipple Werewolves
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:55:03 GMT
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

jajmoore@laplace.uwaterloo.ca (Moses Moore) writes:
: I heard that it was witches that had multiple nipples (one of them being for the
: feeding of devils that Satan sends to them), but werewolves were those  with
: joined eyebrows ("Unibrow").
: 
: But then, unibrows are always called untrustworthy; warlocks, demons, werewolves, 
: Bob assasins...etc.
: 
: 

  Wow!  Brook Shields is a werewolf    

--
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From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: Multiple Nipple Werewolves
Keywords: nipples
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:44:21 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In article <C0ppyw.EvI@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> jajmoore@laplace.uwaterloo.ca (Moses Moore) writes:
>I heard that it was witches that had multiple nipples (one of them being for the
>

This is true, according to Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman's GREAT novel,
_Good Omens_.  I will try to find the relevant passages (maybe).  As far
as I can remember, it's somewhat of a running joke and therefore may be
hard to transcribe./
	Jason
From: ci922@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Duane A. Paulson)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: Multiple Nipple Werewolves
Date: 12 Jan 93 15:25:21 GMT
Reply-To: ci922@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Duane A. Paulson)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, U57567@uicvm.uic.edu (Myself!!!) says:

>In article <C0oFtz.155@csn.org>, bediger@teal.csn.org (Bruce Ediger) says:
>>
>>I heard that people with multiple nipples are quite probably werewolves.
>   This is so that the demons can nurse on the extra nipples, acording to the
>fundamentilist book I once saw.  This same book went on to explain how NASA and
>the boy scouts are also tools of satan, as well as the Smurfs (honest to god!)

Tools of the Smurfs -- now that's scary!
-- 
Duane Paulson
ci922@cleveland.freenet.edu
duane.paulson@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
From: jajmoore@laplace.uwaterloo.ca (Moses Moore)
Subject: Re: Multiple Nipple Werewolves
Keywords: nipples
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:16:07 GMT

I heard that it was witches that had multiple nipples (one of them being for the
feeding of devils that Satan sends to them), but werewolves were those  with
joined eyebrows ("Unibrow").

But then, unibrows are always called untrustworthy; warlocks, demons, werewolves, 
Bob assasins...etc.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:53:20 CST
From: Myself!!! <U57567@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: Multiple Nipple Werewolves

In article <C0oFtz.155@csn.org>, bediger@teal.csn.org (Bruce Ediger) says:
>
>I heard that people with multiple nipples are quite probably werewolves.
   This is so that the demons can nurse on the extra nipples, acording to the
fundamentilist book I once saw.  This same book went on to explain how NASA and
the boy scouts are also tools of satan, as well as the Smurfs (honest to god!)

AL
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups: talk.rumors
Subject: Re: Multiple Nipple Werewolves
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:53:54 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov
Keywords: no.

In article <C0oFtz.155@csn.org> bediger@teal.csn.org (Bruce Ediger) writes:
>
>I heard that people with multiple nipples are quite probably werewolves.

Most people have multiple nipples.  Two of them, usually.  Does that mean
that we are all werewolves?
--scott
From: tanj@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Ren and Stimpy's Love Child)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion
Subject: Re: Getting the Slavery Analogy back on track
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:15:57 GMT
Organization: Hecate's Sandbox

In article <1993Jan10.015211.15142@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
>In article <5948@catnip.berkeley.ca.us> tanj@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Ren and Stimpy's Love Child) writes:
>>Give me just one example of a slave in the deep South who occupied the 
>>slaveowner's belly for nine months of pain and sweat and I'll concede
>>your point.

>Sure, if you give me an example of a fetus that picked cotton for years...

Hey, Mr. Peabody!  Who turned on the Non-Sequitur Machine?

You know what I'm saying, Darce-meister.  A fetus will dump mind and body
altering chemicals into the bloodsteam of its carrier, will suck nutrients
away, and will exit the body of its carrier in a painful and bloody manner.
That you can characterize this relationship where the *fetus* is the *slave*
and the *carrier* is the *slaveowner*-- well, explain this to me.
If you get cute again I will have to conclude that you have all the intellect
of a pair of fuzzy dice hanging dustily in some white trash's '64 Chevy.

--Teddi
-----------------Another Catholic School Survivor (12 years!)-----------------
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity