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From: hayim@locus.com (Hayim Hendeles)
Subject: Re: Jews in Japan
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:59:49 GMT

In article <86688@netnews.upenn.edu> weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.192911.25468@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, saal@cbnewsl (samuel.saal) writes:
> ...
>
>A related story is the rescue of Mir Yeshiva.  Roughly 300 bocherim
>crossed the Soviet Union and were given refuge in Japan for the duration
>of the war, mostly due to the efforts of one determined Judeophile.  I
>can't remember his name--he wrote an autobiography that's definitely
>worth reading.  (If no one else supplies it, and someone asks, I can
>probably track it down.)  In seminary he took strong interest in Hebrew
>and the Old Testament, much to the annoyance of his teachers.  He ended
>up in Berkeley for a few years, but somehow did not make contact with
>Jews.  He went back to Japan, and in the sixties, visited Israel for
>a conversion.  When he died, he was flown to Israel for burial, despite
>difficulties caused by the YK war.
>-- 
>-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@sagi.wistar.upenn.edu)

His name was Professor Avraham Kosuji (or something similiar). My
Father was one of those refugees there doing the War, and told me
stories about this man.  I believe that he served in an official
capacity for the Japanese government, and assisted the Jews immensely
during the War.  It was an exceptionally difficult time, as the
Japanese didn't want the Jews either, so much of what he did, was at
his own risk.

Hayim Hendeles
From: goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Advertising on the Net - NOTES FROM A SEALED ROOM
Keywords: Persian Gulf War
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:06:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Aug14.190652.18380
Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:

>>>Although I am reluctant to advertise, and particularly to
>>>advertise myself on the net...
>>
>>I guess if you act obsequious and apologetic enough, it's okay
>>to perpetrate an egregous violation of netiquette.
>
>I was an avid reader of Bob's notes during the Gulf war, and felt I
>was in that room with him. Very emotional, factual, personal....

So what now?  Are writers that you find moving or personally appealing
exempt from the traditional flames that blatant (and in fact self-
admitted) commercialism often incites here?

>We participate in a newsgroup  where people throw insults around
>like they grow on trees.  Wars of words proliferate.  Tempers flare....

It's really not as bad as this.  Relax and enjoy unencumbered debate
for what it is; don't expect it to be what it isn't.  I have nothing
against you or Bob.  I'm merely poking at him for doing something he
himself realized might not be strictly kosher.

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
   goer@midway.uchicago.edu          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: moskowit@tronsbox.xei.com (Len Moskowitz)
Subject: Re: Facts and Opinions: Insights on American Jewish Thinking(?)
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 13:06:49 GMT

Herman Rubin writes:

>Also, in the application of all aspects of my fields, what is needed is
>for the user to be able to ask questions, not to answer them.  Mathematical
>and statistical methods are only appropriate AFTER the understanding is used
>to ask the questions.  Too many learn the text without understanding, rather
>than asking the questions to clarify very early in the process.  Memorization
>is particularly adverse to learning the underlying concepts.

True, and that's why the yeshivot and day schools with which I'm
familiar foster an environment where no question is sacrosanct.

I find it strange that secular scholars wouldn't lend credence to a
peer unless that person had studied all of the basic and advanced
sources and contributed in some creative way, yet when it comes to
Judaism these same folks feel they can make an informed decision about
Torah without even the ability to read the Talmud and the responsa,
much less exhibiting a true expertise in the field.

-- 
---

Len Moskowitz
moskowit@tronsbox.xei.com (preferred address)
moskowit@panix.com (alternate address)
From: aaron@kesher.UUCP (Aaron Schmiedel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:47:36 GMT
Organization: KESHERnet International - Dallas, TX

In article <1992Aug17.122217.14119@discus.technion.ac.il> ben@ccvs1.technion.ac.il (Ben Pashkoff) writes:
>
>  BTW, while I have your ear, do you know of either a Richard Coe or a Roy McCoy,
>  two recent new immigrants from the DFW area?
>  


Hmmm... nope.  Haven't heard of them.




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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: silvrbrg@discus.technion.ac.il (Israel Silverberg)
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:48:29 GMT

The question is not whether Jews should live in Israel, rather why should
a Jew live outside of Israel. According to Rambam, living in Israel is a
postive commandment for which there are only three exceptions: finding a
wife, to study with an outstanding rabbi, or for short-term business needs.

Living in Israel may not be easy, but there is a definite difference
between living in a Jewish country and not. When I read the annual holiday
schedule here, I do not wonder how I am going celebrate Jewish holidays
and still have any remaining vacation days. I don't have to explain to
anyone why I am taking the day off. Even more important, every festival
has a flavour that can only be experienced when everyone around you is
also participating. As an example of the difference, answer the question
on what two days does every stick of wood in sight disappear?

It is said (sorry, I don't remember the source) that on the first night
in Israel after coming on aliyah not one but two souls leave the body.
When the morning comes and you awaken only the Israeli soul returns. From
that point on one can either accept the new soul or fight it, but it will
never leave. One becomes permenantly bond to Eretz Yisrael.

Israel Silverberg

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: schwartz@nynexst.com (Steven Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Jewish summer camps (Was: Hebrew school)
Originator: schwartz@baba
Reply-To: schwartz@nynexst.com
Organization: Expert Systems Lab., NYNEX Sci. and Tech., White Plains NY
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 17:24:54 GMT


And now for a different perspective:

I attended a Jewish-affiliated camp, Poyntelle/Lewis Village,
back in the 70s.  The Jewish content was an Oneg of sorts Friday night,
discussion groups Sat. morning, a "free" Saturday afternoon followed by
a cookout, and bagels etc. either Sat. or Sunday morning.

The camp had always been kosher-style, e.g. no pork or shellfish.
Around '76 or so, someone donated money on the condition that the
camp become seriously kosher.  That summer, we began having a full-time
rabbi/mashgiach.  The staff attitude seemed to be, keep the rabbi
satisfied without interfering overly with the cook.

The matter came to a head one morning.  The kitchen had put 
Sugar Pops (containing gelatin) on the kids' tables.  The rabbi
spotted the boxes, sent word to the kitchen to stop giving them out,
and started grabbing the boxes off the tables.  The cook decided to
ignore the rabbi, and continued giving out Sugar Pops boxes at the
seconds window.  The result was an arguing match between the cook
and the rabbi, with the head counselor trying to mediate,
right in front of the kids.

I was 17 at the time, and found the matter ludicrous.  For the record,
I keep strictly kosher now, but this kind of experience must have sent
a bad message to at least a few of the kids.
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: more of ...can of worms....
Date: 21 Aug 92 20:08:28 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <1992Aug21.124156.16208@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:
>In article <57394@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu
>(Herman Rubin) writes:

>>In article <1992Aug18.131900.23543@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>
>saal@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (samuel.saal) writes:

>>>Does this mean there is a tradition of logic by now?  If so, will it be
>>>overthrown? Can it?

>>Not if anything precise is to be obtained.  The part of logic needed is
>>rather small; the principles can be stated in one page.  

>>This is the power of the grammatical structure called mathematics.  So
>>much comes out of so little, and it seems to fit the real world quite
>>well--almost too well, in fact.  Some philosophers have declared that
>>God must be a mathematician because of this.

>Does anyone else see this as very near the elevation of logic to
>near-god-like status?  Does it seem close to avodah zara?

*I* did not say this, but it is indicated in the Torah that logic is
to be used to understand the universe.  It was even argued by many of
the Talmudic sages that God made the universe so that man could master
it by applying logic to observations; this application is not the simple
version of logic I was referring to, but makes full use of it.  In fact,
statistics is the theory of making decisions from observations.

The principles of logic are far simpler than Rabbi Ishmael's thirteen
rules.  There is some disagreement about a few of them, but much works
even with minimal assumptions.  The structure of Torah Hebrew is far
more complicated than that of logic.  

In the Torah, God states, "Let us reason together."  Logic is nothing
more than the explicit setting down of precise rules for reasoning.
The rules of formal logic are far less than people use in practice.
By themselves, they are not too often adequate.  But they provide
warnings of error.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
{purdue,pur-ee}!pop.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
From: aaron@kesher.UUCP (Aaron Schmiedel)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: The term "galut"
Date: 19 Aug 92 14:44:15 GMT
Organization: KESHERnet International - Dallas, TX

In article <2445@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:


Did I see "Wang Labs" on your organization line?  Need any help?  :-)



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From: aap@wam.umd.edu (Alberto Adolfo Pinkas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jewish summer camps (Was: Hebrew school)
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:07:47 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <BsxqL5.LyK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> berger@atropa (Mike Berger) writes:
>backon@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>>Has anyone ever considered the impact of Jewish summer camps (Orthodox,
>>Conservative [like Ramah], and Reform) on Jewish practice and affiliation ?

I went two times (at ages 6 and 12) to summer camp organized by "Liga 
Israelita-argentina de lucha contra la tuberculosis", and "Asociacion
Mutual Israelita - Argentina (AMIA)". 
At that time I did not liked it, but today I think that they were great 
experiences. 
Compared with Christian summercaps, ours was 1,000,000 years ahead.
We learn about responsabilities, ourselves, etc.
It was done in a building that some decades before was used for people 
suffering from tuberculosis. 
Once each month, all the authorities would leave and the 13 years old group
would take charge of the colony. Only the medical team stayed with us.
Kids in the 13 yo group would propose themselves for the different
offices, and all the other kids would vote. My cousing was presindet once!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: nyu
Subject: Re: Stopping Another Holocaust(Milan can't read)  
Organization: New York University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:44:45 GMT

In article 14722@husc3.harvard.edu, stojanov@husc10.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
> In article <1992Aug13.162244.17350@risky.ecs.umass.edu> curcija@medr0.ecs.umass.edu (Dragan Curcija) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug12.083403.14657@husc3.harvard.edu> stojanov@husc10.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
> >>...
> >>
> >>So you have a last word.  I have not seen a single clear statement why 
> >>is what is happening in Bosnia not a civil war, but aggression.
> >>I want to hear an argument if possible.  Probably not.  
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >
> >	Maybe you did not see a single clear statement because you keep your
> >eyes closed, like some other proliferant (ex)writers on this group.  Open
> >your eyes, and maybe you will start seeing something.
> >
> 
> Mr. ( Dr.?) Curcija. please list them, so I can read them.
> Would you?  
> 
> >Dragan
> >
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Historia  Magistra  Vitae  Est
> >___________________________________________________________________________
> >
> 
> Milan


Milan, they have been listed, packaged and tied in a ribbon
for you and all the others on these newsgroups for
months now. You can't read what you don't want to know.
Don't read the next part please.
________________________________________________________
The proof of the Serbian aggression is in the continued
shelling of Sarajevo, Bihac etc. It is in the camps that
keep having prisoners taken away just before Red Cross
visits. Its in the bodies of those two children shot in
the bus, killed because they were in a big convenient
target for a Serbian sniper. It is in the parks of 
Sarajevo filled with the corpses of innocent civilians.
It is in the body of ABC Newsman David Kaplan, shot by
another of the brave Serb snipers. 
________________________________________________________

Read again.
None of the above comments were for you, Milan. Since if
you tried to read them they would appear all smeared and
blurry, I'm saving your eyesight. Maybe you should use it
to read the Helsinki Report on the Serbian aggression.
But you won't. I know.




Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Joke about Messiah
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:11:21 GMT

Here is a cute joke I heard from my father yesterday:

This poor unemployed Jew in the village goes to the Rabbi and tells
him "Rabbi, please, I have a large family and no work. I have to
find some job - any job - so I can feed my family". The Rabbi thinks,
thinks and then tells him "ok, here's a job for you. Take this bell,
go sit in the village gate, and if you see the Messiah coming ring
the bell for all of us to know". The guy answers "ok Rabbi, how much
do I get?" - "Three rubals a month". "But, Rabbi, that is really a
low paying job!" to which the Rabbi answers "Yes, but talk about job
security!".

:-)

-Danny Keren.


Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
From: MASH@WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL (Michael Shimshoni)
Subject: Re: The Term Galut
Organization: Weizmann Institute of Science, Israel
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 15:27:22 +0300

 In: <1992Aug17.171952.6586@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>
 er@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Elie Rosenfeld) discusses "galut" even in Israel.

>In article <1992Aug14.182219.26096@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, jeybbu@ritvax.isc.rit.ed
>|> Julian Yudelson,,Rochester, NY Galus
>
>I have a question for the other Orthodox Jews on the Net, particularly those
>residing in Israel.  I often see the term "galut" (galus) used to refer to
>Chutz La'Aretz of today, as opposed to Israel of today.  But for those who
>believe in the eventual Messianic era, that term really connotes a time period
>- namely, the one beginning with the destruction of the second Temple and stil
>continuing today - rather than a geographic location. In other words, in the
>Orthodox view, we are all still in "galut", no matter where we live.
>
>Shouldn't we use another term to distingush between living inside and outside
>the land of Israel of this era?

Although this question was directed at "the other Orthodox Jews on the
Net", and I do not qualify,  I am sufficiently interested in the issue
to express my opinion.

I wish to disagree  with the concept, not only held  by Elie, that the
term  galut describes  a  time period  which will  only  end with  the
Messianic  redemption  and not  a  geographic  area, i.e.  all  places
outside Eretz Yisrael.

In the Tanakh  Yeheski'el 1,1 speaks of himself living  in the "golah"
on the river Kvar.  This might not quite qualify, because Elie limited
himself for  some reason to  the period  after the destruction  of the
SECOND  Temple.  Perhaps  the term  "reish  galuta" (the  head of  the
galut) used for the "nassi" (president?) of the Jews in Babel might be
better.  But  even in the  halakhic literature,  the extra day  of the
holidays  (Pessah, Shavu'ot  etc.)  which is  celebrated only  outside
Israel is  referred to  as "yom  tov sheni  shel galuyot"  (the second
(holi)day of the galut). should this not convince even Elie?

I think that it has to be  faced that while for the Orthodox Jews, the
coming of the Mashiah will improve even live in Israel, the term galut
is basically  meant as a  geographic term.  This spiritual  galut idea
sounds too  much of as excuse  for those who  even at a time  when the
doors of  Eretz Yisrael  are open  still prefer  the fleshpots  of the
golah.

Leaving terminology  aside, what about  all these lovely  mitzvot that
can only be performed here?

I am no missionary, and those who  prefer not to live with us have the
right to chose  as they do, but please do  not use ideological excuses
for it, this just does not sound right.

>I mean this as an honest, not a loaded, question.

I also gave my honest answer.

>Elie Rosenfeld      |  "Ronald Reagan??  The ACTOR??

 Michael Shimshoni
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Should a jew settle in Israel?
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:03:42 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department

In article <Bt8qDq.4un@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca> ward@sun1.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Ward) writes:
>In article <57250@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> 
>hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:
>>If every Jew settled in Israel, even kicking out all the goyim in
>>Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank would not be adequate.  The limits
>>are quite real, and we cannot count on manna.

	[Calculations to show that they could physically fit deleted.]

>(Now feeding them is a different problem ...)

Not just feeding them, but having workplaces, allowing them to have 
useful lives, etc.  I personally consider most of Israel as overcongested,
anyhow, as I consider most of the cities in the world.
-- 
Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
Phone: (317)494-6054
hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  
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From: murray.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: L'Chaim
Date: 13 Aug 92 21:21:15 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton


 
 
***********************************************************************
 L'CHAIM                    ISSUE # 227                     PART 1 OF 8
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            THE WEEKLY PUBLICATION FOR EVERY JEWISH PERSON    
Dedicated  to the  memory of  Rebbetzin Chaya  Mushka Schneerson   N.E.
***********************************************************************
 Aug 7,  1992          Parshas -  Devorim  8   Menachem  _     Av 5752
***********************************************************************
     
      The  fast of Tisha B'Av commemorates  the destruction of the
Holy  Temple in Jerusalem  about 2,000 years  ago. We sit  low and read
Lamentations. Jews  from the world  over pray at  the Western Wall  and
embrace its stones--our only remnant of  the Holy Temple's grandeur.   
The words  and the cry, "If I forget  thee O, Jerusalem!" kept us going
through our exile and  wanderings. Wherever we settled, we  turned back
to Jerusalem in  prayer. Our  synagogues face east,  and the  "mizrach"
decoration in Jewish homes points the way to our ultimate destination. 
  Even if we can't be there physically, we are there in heart and mind.
Now, on  Tisha B'Av, let's get  as close as possible  to these precious
stones.  Let  us try  to  outline,  if only  on  paper,  our hopes  and
yearnings.      "Behold, my beloved stands behind our  wall, looking in
the windows, peering  through the  cracks," wrote King  Solomon in  the
Song of Songs. The Divine presence never left the Western Wall.     The
Western Wall is  not only for  the rich  and famous. Every  Jew owns  a
piece of the rock. And no one gets  lost between the cracks. The stones
reflect  our differences: Big and  small, whole and  broken, smooth and
rough, together  we form a  formidable wall, a  fortress of  faith that
endures forever.      The Western Wall is not just a tourist attraction
or an archeological point of interest. Each stone block is like a page,
each  row a chapter, of our long  Jewish history, written in stone. The
Rock  of Ages that guarantees Jewish  survival.      But let's face it,
it's incomplete. Let's not get  too comfortable with just one wall.  If
our own home was ruined save for one wall--no dining  room, bedroom, or
kitchen--would  we be satisfied living  in a hole  in the wall?      We
pray  daily for  the  Holy Temple's  rebuilding  through the  righteous
Moshiach  speedily in our days. To some  people, that may sound off the
wall. But our belief in Moshiach  is a cornerstone of Judaism. "I fully
believe in Moshiach's coming. Each day I await him,"  is the foundation
on which all else stands.      We must leave no stone unturned. We must
study,  do mitzvot,  prepare and look  forward to the  Redemption as we
conclude Lamentations. "Return to us, O G-d, and we will return to You.
Renew our days as once before!"
From: murray.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Tanya, Epistle 8, 3 of 3
Date: 23 Aug 92 02:00:38 GMT
Organization: Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton

Tanya Epistle 8   3/3
 
>>> Continued from previous message
 
1. Liturgy, the morning prayers (Siddur Tehillat HaShem, p. 44).
2. Hoshea 10:12.
3. Bava Batra 10a.
4. Tehillim 17:15.
5. Ibid. 103:17.
6. Cf. Bereishit 1:4.
7. Cf. Malachi 3:16.
8. Beginning of Tractate Taanit.
9. II Samuel 22:29.
10. Zohar II, 175b.
11. Cf. Tikkunei Zohar 69:105a.
12. Sotah 5b.
13. V.L.: "the actual [infinite] Ein Sof-light."
14. Iggeret HaTeshuvah, ch. 10.
15. Avot 4:17.
16. Likkutei Amarim, Part I, conclusion of ch. 4, et al.
17. Note of the Rebbe Shlita: *Cf. Part I beginning of ch. 52: `And 
    this source...' Here is not the place to elaborate upon the 
    differences.
18. See also later in the present Epistle; and see Likkutei Amarim, Part 
I,
    ch. 41.
19. Tehillim 145:3.
20. Cf. Likkutei Amarim, Part II, ch. 4.
21. Zohar I, 11b.
22. Megillah 31a (according to the text of Ein Yaakov).
23. Tehillim 112:4.
24. Cf. ibid. 11:7.
25. Introduction to Tikkunei Zohar 10b, et al.
26. Cf. Likkutei Amarim, Part I, ch. 27.
27. Tehillim 145:13.
28. Devarim 6:25.
29. Bereishit 28:17, and commentaries of Rashi and Targum, loc. cit.
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