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From: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu (Kelvin Leung)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: 300 MIP Amiga
Date: 21 Nov 92 17:50:23 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

ifbb657@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Douglas Floyd) writes:


>OK, I just cought a little of this thread of C= using an Alpha chip.

I wouldn't count on it.  I hope people could stop spreading this rumor.  

>Is this true, or just murmurings or BS like Win NT?

WinNT is in beta testing mode right now... I wouldn't be surprised to see
some Pentinum machines running WinNT in six months.

>If this is true, there will be one more Amiga app developer :-).

>PS:  One of the main lines that I hear is that C= has no future.  What
>is the future of the Amiga line?

well... to tell you the truth, I think Commodore has been doing some 
tests with RISC chips.  Nonetheless, I wouldn't necessarily say they will be
using Alphas.  Even if the Amiga is going to go RISC, it will be a while be-
fore we see RISC Amigas.

Yet, Commodore isn't sitting idle either.  We know that they (at least
their engineers ;) are working on newer chipsets and more advanced feature.
So I wouldn't think Amigas will go under any time soon.  The only way to 
kill the Amiga now, is to stop supporting/buying Amiga and Amiga-related
software/hardware.

Yours Sincerely,
Kelvin
e-mail: abs0@coos.dartmouth.edu
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From: ESRLPDI@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Ivan Ivanick)
Subject: Re: Amiga/Video Toaster featured on TV program
Date: 19 Nov 92 08:01:24 PST

In article <1992Nov18.205833.24298@sbcs.sunysb.edu>, on 18 Nov 1992 20:58:33 GMT,
dtiberio@csws19.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) writes:
>In article <1992Nov18.132818.16235@zds-oem.zds.com> easton@zds-oem.zds.com (Jeff Easton) writes:
>
>>  After watching the show it became apparent to me why we have no
>>toaster for the A3000 or A4000.  These guys are spending all their
>>time shopping for matching Acura NSX's, corporate jets, playing
>>video games, designing robotic track lighting and musical big birds,
>>and watching star trek.  Sheesh!
>
>        NewTek does not want to make a version for the 3000 or the 4000.
>If they wanted to, they already would have. If Tom, Steve, and Rich at
>Industrial Color Labs can slide the endplate over for $25 so that it fits
>in an A3000, and NewTek can't, then that sure does tell you something
>about NewTek.
>
>        They are up to something and don't let them tell you otherwise.
>I confronted them about this and they just said 'we've been kicking
>around the idea of making it for the 3000'. Yeah, I really believe
>that now.
>        For more info call Tom at Industrial Color Labs.
>        1-800-MR PHOTO, in Syracuse NY.
>
 The 3000's power supply is poor; flakey; liable to fritz out.  I don't
have 800 #'s to call, but I do know a couple folk with a Toaster and
an 040 in the 3000 who have had to have their power supplies replaced
with a beefier one.  For me, the Toaster itself works fine in the 3000,
but they have a legitimate problem as far as I'm concerned.  I don't
know that I'd want to develop specifically for the relatively small
base of 3000s extant, either.

Followups to alt.conspiracy.

Ivan Ivanick    esrlpdi@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
Whore For Merchandise / Mediasink Productions
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:10:10 EST
From: Chris "Slothman" Stoy <CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: What's the story with Commodore marketing?
 <92324.155927CMS129@psuvm.psu.edu> <69948@cup.portal.com>

In article <69948@cup.portal.com>, TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) says:
>
>But let me ask you, Don't you think the new PS/1's are the ugliest
>computer ever made?
>

Yep. I'd almost rather by a Mac then a PS/1 (almost...)

>>Another scary thing was that while I was wondering around Sears, I saw a CD-I
>>display sitting right between the stereo and computer equipment.  Why isn't
>>CDTV marketed like this, or at all for that matter.
>
>Its better than nothing, but not much. Last Christmas, the CD-I was always
>turned on and doing a demo (to no interest). Now, Sears doesn't even turn
>them on.
>

Gee, I thought it was only this Sears that didn't have the display on. Too bad,
really. I was hoping to get a look at CD-I.

It's too bad Commodore doesn't do a better job at marketing the Amiga.  I know
a lot of people who were impressed by my 500, but when they found out there
was very little support for the Amiga, the were quickly turned off.  The
average consumer doesn't want to search for an "Authorized Amiga Dealer" ( a
rarity in my area) to sell/service their machine.  They'd much rather buy an
IBM and know that almost everyone supports it.

The situation isn't hopeless.  It's all up to CBM now.  If they take an active
role in marketing the new Amigas, then there is a hope.  If not, then my next
computer will probably be a 486.

>TomK@cup.portal.com
>Tom Krotchko

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From: root@rkamiga.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re:  PowerPC: how much of a threat?
Distribution: world
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:58:09 EST
Organization: Rick's Amiga

In article <1992Nov16.174839.949@nmsu.edu> dleland@dante.nmsu.edu (LELAND) writes:
>Perhaps it would help us all if someone could tell me just exactly what a PowerPC
>is and what's so different about it. Is it just a machine that can run both Mac
>and IBM softare? Whoopee. We already have that. Is it just that it's going to
>be really really fast? Well, that's nice. That's worth developing for. Or is it
>going to have yet another completely new operating system (which we DO NOT need
>IMOHO)?

IBM is now shipping the Power PC chips to Apple.  They are a scaled down 
version of the RISC chip used in the RS/6000.

At this point, Apple is working to put the MAC OS environment on top of
A/UX, their UNIX product.  Who can say how fast they will be, as the
MAC apps will have to be executed through an emulator of the 680x0.

According to what I have heard, the Taligent operating system will come
out in 1994, and in it's first release will only run Taligent native
binaries.

--
Rick Kelly		Rick's Amiga		Framingham, Mass.

		think!unixland!rmkhome!rkamiga!root

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
From: dconnors@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (David Connors)
Subject: Re: Amiga OS newsgroup
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 01:01:36 GMT

gerber@orion.astro.uiuc.edu (Richard A. Gerber) writes:

>In <1992Nov16.201114.4460@spcvxb.spc.edu> 5marte_f@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:


>>	Doesn't anyone feel we should have an AMIGA OS group... 

>Hey, this is a great idea. Whom do we contact to get this going?

People are supposed to vote on it or something, I think. 


   Dave Connors - D.Connors@sct.gu.edu.au     Griffith University, Australia
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From: jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard)
Subject: Re: PIRACY
Reply-To: jagrizza@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:05:08 GMT

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this is my first flame (ever!) but this really has to be done...

can you kill this sig??  *PLEASE??*
From: pss1@kepler.unh.edu (Paul S Secinaro)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 18 Nov 1992 18:46:35 GMT
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu

In article <92323.113145IO92257@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> <IO92257@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:

>>OS/2 Raytracers never kill my system.
>-Gee, I thought you had a clue until you said this!
> A ray-tracer takes all the system resources it can
> get it's hands on: It's the nature of the beast.
> Now if your system doesn't allow it to take every-
> thing, then of course it won't kill your system!
> It all depends on the priority you set the process
> to... this is the same on Amiga and I*M.

True, though if I'm not mistaken, OS/2 uses a smart scheduling
algorithm that can dynamically modify a process's priority depending
on things like how CPU intensive it is, whether it's in the foreground
or background, etc.  Again, I'm not sure, but I think that with
AmigaOS you have to set the priorities manually.  (maybe some OS gurus
can comment?)  This might result it situations where a raytracer might
*appear* to kill the system, if the user messes up the priorities.
(This can happen in OS/2 also, but for different reasons).

> Actually, as an Amiga user for the past 7 years, I
> really don't want to hear about how someone's crapbox
> I*M multitasks.  Amigas have been doing it for 7 years,
> and they do it better!

If you don't want to hear about IBM multitasking, then how can you say
for sure that the Amiga is better?  Don't you think an informed
opinion is the best way to go?

> Take your 20 MIP 486, and then put it where it will be most
> useful, probably against a door you want to keep open!!!

Well, since the original discussion was about ray tracing, I think a
lot of people would find a 20 MIP CPU pretty useful, don't you?

Paul
-- 
Paul Secinaro
pss1@kepler.unh.edu
Synthetic Vision and Pattern Analysis Laboratory
UNH Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering
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From: mlelstv@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst)
Subject: Re: The Falcon has a 16 bit bus
Organization: Max-Planck-Institut f"ur Radioastronomie
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:26:10 GMT

In <37217@cbmvax.commodore.com> grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
>Another amusing one is that they list "Super VGA" graphics, but then
>describe it as 640*480 256-colors, which I'd consider not-very-super
>in PC land SVGA terms.  If that's SVGA, then we've got it too.  8-)

640x480x256 _is_ SVGA as VGA only specifies 640x480x16.

Regards,
-- 
Michael van Elst
UUCP:     universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve
Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de
                                "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree."
From: jagrizza@uncc.edu (James A Grizzard)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Programming
Date: 16 Nov 92 09:28:51 GMT
Reply-To: jagrizza@uncc.edu
Organization: University of NC at Charlotte

In article KEE@csugrad.cs.vt.edu, browder@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Chip Browder) writes:
>
> Not a flame, but what the heck does AMOS have to do with demos? The only demo
> I have ever seen written in AMOS was the lamest thing I have ever seen. In
> any case IMO it's not worth dedicating 15 articles * 5 newsgroups to. I 
> especially don't see reason for a flood of them here.

think we can keep from crossposting our 'not a flame's too??? 

:)
From: douddy@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Shut the fuck up!!!!
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:29:10 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

In article <mba3.722279300@Ra.MsState.Edu>, mba3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Michael Boyd Adams) writes:
> OK, I am really tired of this Amiga is better/IBM is better argument...
> I mean, be a little tolerant.... Isn't that the whole problem with 
> our society?  That we aren't tolerant of other views?
> {el-delotto} 
> By the way, *I* have an Amiga 2000 with a VXL 030 accelerator, 9M RAM,
> FlickerFixer and 116M GVP SCSI 17ms hardcard.....
> (which I bought after selling my Packard Bell 386sx-16)
> 
> I personally will never ever go back to IBM, but that is my business,
> and it is everyone else's business, what they buy.....
> 
> Peace, and be tolerant, damnit!
> 
	Generally, people see attacks against their computers as attacks
against their person.  I owned an Amiga for 5 years, and it wasn't until I sold
it that I realized that it was, in a sense, an extention of myself.  I don't 
work in a linear manner.. and my choice of the Amiga, one of the first
multitasking computers, reflects that.  (Jeepers, I hate my partener in
Chem452, she thinks in lines... one 30 minute experiment, the next 50 minute
experiment, the next 20 minute experiment... we finsh in an hour when I run
things... but then she is every bit as stuborn as I am 8^)
	If we didn't see ourselves as connected to our computers, I doubt that
anyone would ever comment that the amiga is the the 'computer for the creative
mind', or that IBM means Increadibly Boring Morons.  (Slight Bias there... how
about A.M.I.G.A=Away, Make It Go Away)  The attachment is clear, (c.s.a.a      
doesn't figure?) computer owners see their computers as something that
helps define themselves (Ex: Skip Saul, amiga advocate)
	When you say you'd never own an IBM, you trigger a defense mechanism,
and some IBM owner is going to tell you why IBM's are better, and why you
should own one, ect.. ad infinitum.  Likewise, tell one small mistruth about
the amiga and some owner will take it very much to heart.  After all, why not? 
When you belittle their computer, you belittle the owners very identity.

Dustan Doud
University of Wisconsin, Eau Claire
DOUDDY@CNSVAX.UWEC.EDU
(Would Andy Trembly say I have a marvelous grasp of the obvious?)
From: mcramm@dct.ac.uk (McRamm)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: WB3.0 & ECS machines - a thought
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:10:10 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

Something just occurred to me.

If C= programmers are obeying their own rules about using the AGA chipset,
why won't WB3.0 be available on ECS machines?

Wny do we need WB2.1 at all? (unless, of course, they're hitting the chips at
register level instead of using the graphics.library correctly......)

-- 
 Angus M. Marshall, MCRAMM@UK.AC.DCT,amarshal@uk.ac.dund.mcs, (+44 382) 308600
"Flightless Birds - What's the point of a flightless bird? 
Ah, so you're a  flightless  bird  then?  Have  you  met  the  incredible
drowning trout? " Steve Punt & Hugh Dennis (The Milky Milky Tour 1992)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
From: brycerw@brandonu.ca
Date: 18 Nov 92 00:17:48 CST
 <SUOPANKI.92Nov12192807@zombie.oulu.fi> <1992Nov13.080654.874@nrlvx1.nrl.navy.mil> <1992Nov16.223302.6261@ncsu.edu>
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

In article <1992Nov16.223302.6261@ncsu.edu>, linville@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (John W. Linville) writes:
> 
> Finally, for those who devalue high processor speeds, try getting 30-40 back-
> ground processes running and then tell me how well your Amiga compares to my
> PC running OS/2.
> 
BIG Smile.  Just did a task list.  38 processes.  But maybe you mean running,
or ready processes.  Fine.  Let's see here.  How busy have I pushed my A3000?
I've had 5 ftp sessions open at a time, all downloading, with 3 people 
logged into an ftp session to my amiga.  (got an ethernet board).  With that,
logged in twice to the local vaxes, reading news, et. all.  And a session to
the local apollo.  While doing this, I was busy running a major compile - the
source at .25 meg.  Mean time, I've got two simulations running in the
background at a low priority.  (the compile was to recompile the simulation
after a major change).  That's 14 working processes.  Then I have the clock,
and other regular system stuff up.  Sorry, I wasn't formatting any floppies
at the time.

Now sure, the system wasn't really snappy, but it was still better than a 486
with Windows 3.1 I'm currently using to learn C++.  It was fine except for when
a receive via internet was being made - like an update to the terminal for the
vax, or a directory listing on an ftp session.  No problem when receiving
(part of) a file from ftp, though.

As for OS/2, I've seen it have to swap out when I move the mouse!  Really!
That was crappy!

> John W. Linville
> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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--Rob
BRYCERW@BrandonU.CA
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From: ecarroll@maths.tcd.ie (Eddy Carroll)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Oh my God! Help my friend not buy an IBM!
Date: 22 Nov 92 16:39:03 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

sjjohnst@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (Stephen Johnston) writes:
>Why would you want two different songs playing out of the same speaker?  It
>would be like listening to two differnt stations on the radio - possible but
>usually pointless.  On the Amiga, a program asks for an audio channel (or up
>to four channels), and then this channel is then exclsusively for that
>program.

Actually, it's more sophisticated than that. Properly written software asks
audio.device for a channel at a certain priority (-128 to +127). This channel
can then be invisibly stolen from the program by another task which asked
for a channel with higher priority, if there are no other channels free.

This lets you have a MOD playing at priority zero using four channels and have
it interrupted by a beep or sampled sound or something playing at priority 50
(brief sounds are normally given higher priority than music since they last
for such a short amount of time).

Most of the MOD players seem to just grab the channels at maximum priority to
ensure they always have full access, but the OS does support simultaneous
access to each channel.

Eddy
-- 
Eddy Carroll      ----* Genuine MUD Wizard  | "You haven't lived until you've
Internet: ecarroll@maths.tcd.ie             |  died in MUD!" -- Richard Bartle
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From: skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls)
Subject: Re: MORE POLITICS! Re: PC, Redneck President, and other bad news
Organization: University of Mississippi, Dept. of Computer Science
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:31:00 GMT

In article <Ef203ke00WAxA1jm03@andrew.cmu.edu> Geoffrey Spear <gs32+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.amiga.advocacy: 16-Nov-92 Re: MORE
>POLITICS! Re: PC, .. Stephenson Daniel A@usl. (1109)
>> Hmmm... maybe there ought to be another election.
>
>> I think it is hilarious how Clinton shows his true self after putting
>> on for the election.
>
>> This is great - it is SO OBVIOUS how Clinton totally duped all those 
>> STUPID voters out there into voting for him.
>
>That's ok, it's SO OBVIOUS that Commodore has duped you into thinking
>that the Amiga is a good computer.  Seems like some people are more
>easily tricked than others.

Hah, you obviously don't have any idea who you are talking about.  Dan
is not an Amiga owner and if fact is more of an Amiga Advocate Antagonist
than anything else.  (BTW Dan, that is meant as a compliement, not an insult)

>> So Rick, you like own an Amiga store that has Internet, or what?
>> -- 
>> Dan Stephenson                                                
>> das9674@usl.edu  
>> "There once was a Lady from Hyde/who ate some bad apples and died/but while we
>> lamented/the apples fermented/making cider inside her inside!" 
>>                         -Member of the Court, Texas Renaissance Festival  
>-----------------------------------
>Geoff "with a G" Spear
>Carnegie Mellon University
>Electrical and Computer Engineering
>Class of '96 (I hope...)
>-----------------------------------
>"Love may be a matter of chemistry, but sex is all physics."

Skip Sauls, Amiga Advocate
skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu
From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Future Entertainment Show, London
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Nov 92 03:23:40 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

I wonder if Kodak could get hit with restraint of trade......  A company
with a valid patent lost it, because its licensing included a No
Competition for years clause.  A company which refused to sign that kind of
agreement deliberately infringed on the patent, and when sued by the patent
owner, the patent owner's patent was declared null and void for reason of
constraint of trade.


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From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: EGGPLANT, IMPLANT, EMPATH, BLAZEPLANT...
Distribution: world
Date: 15 Nov 92 16:44:19 EDT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

re article by Philip McDonnough :  I think I mentioned it here before -- I
watched as a PowerBook owner and a Mac consultant tried getting ConcertWare
to run on on '030 PowerBook and communicate with a MIDI keyboard.  It
refused -- the machine crashed in a number of interesting ways.  Turned out
that  something like System 7 run all comm for MIDI though some special
MIDI handler, that ConcertWare last year was not compatible with.  

There were other applications in particularly DTP and some scientific and
engineering software that had problems with System 7 and/or the Quadra's
040 hardware architecture implementation.  I expect that more than a year
after the introduction ofthe Quadra, that most of the software that there
had been problems with, there have been upgrades made available for. 
however,, for the initial adopters, there were a lot of problems.  I
haven't checked with my friend at IDG yet, but the last time I talked to
her, she was still on System 6 at work because the software that she uses
every day to do graphics on one of the IDG magazines on a Mac IIci gets
along raggedly on System 6, and not at all on System 7.0  [She said that
the problems include insufficient memory and software incompatibility even
when there is enough memory -- she lives with the machine crashing on her
several times a day.  She doesn't trust the software to behave no worse
under System 7 than System 6.  Another friend, wh works at Digital on the
Macintosh-Digital connectivity products, was talking with her about the
problems of software on Macs not getting along, and reported that yet
another mutual acquaintance, who does graphics at Digital on Macs, has a
lot of problems with software compatibility on Macs.


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