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From: bstring@mainz-emh2.army.mil (BOB STRINGFIELD)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: [william carter franklin:  Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson]
Date: 17 Aug 1992 01:04:28 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Interesting Carter.  Exactly where did this silly Sister and Spike Lee
learn this bigoted way of life.  Did they know it when they were working
the fields of their masters?  Have you ever been out of the US and lived?
I mean really lived.  Lived only in fear of the normal evil/ignornanc
e of life.  Only in your worst nightmare is the US the best place for
blacks.

Hmmm.  Seems I heard that before.  Oh Yes..

**The more things change the more they remain the same**  He is saying
nothing new.  It is just rephrasing of we need whites to tell us what
to do and do not let us learn to read for that would sorely corrupt
ours minds.  Ever read Bruce Catton.  Take a look....

Of course we have dislikes in our midst.  No one ever said that as
a race we were perfect but check it out Carter.  

How long have blacks been in the US?  How long have you been there?
Who has made the most strides, intellectually speaking of course.
Recall how you once could say such words to us and we could do little
else but except them and being words of wisdom, the truth.  I think
not any longer for we know now for an absolute fact.  You are not
made in the image of GOD!.....
--bob

***********************
isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes and Carter replies:



>Hmmm, so there are thirty times more Blacks in America than in Canada
>*but* America only employs twenty seven times more Blacks than Canada.
>By percentage of Blacks employed that would indicate that Canada is
>the better place for Blacks to live.

You forgot welfare and social security and WICS. One third of all
A

of the United States' budget for social monetary aid goes to blacks! :)

These numbers are NOT reflected in EMPLOYMENT figures.


>Of course, one could argue that this whole thread is a red herring.
>The relative goodness of something is immaterial to its absolute
>goodness.  As a previous poster pointed out, it makes as much logical
>sense as arguing that warm shit is *good* because your only choices on
>a cold day are warm shit and cold shit.  In the end, it's still shit,
>no?

I think the only shit in America is contained in bigots like Silly Bigot
Sistah and SPIKE LEE. YES, SPIKE LEE is a bigot. There I said it.
And its cold shit too, always about white people envy this, and white
people can't do that, or white people ALL do this.... a bunch of 
BULLSHIT, or BIGOT FEED. America is the BEST COUNTRY for black people.



>As a debating issue, this seems somewhat pointless, unless one's goal
>is to obfuscate the original issue which (as I recall) had to do with
>the absolute goodness of the USA wrt its Black population.

WHICH I HAVE GIVEN EVIDENCE THAT PROVES THAT AMERICA IS GOOD TO
HER BLACK PEOPLE. THE ISOLATED BIGOTRIES ARE TWO-SIDED. BLACK PEOPLE
HAVE BIGOTS IN THEIR MIDST TOO.
*********************eof**********
From: mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu (Malcolm McDILDO Moore)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Violent crime stats from a reliable source
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:22:40 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Aug18.183144.13211@seq.dumb.edu> frankli@seq.dumb.edu (william carter slim-jim franklin) writes:

$More Black neighborhoods are patrolled than white naeighborhoods
$if you study the demographics versus the policeman hours.
$Check it and see. In my city (about which I have posted my EXTENSIVE
$research on soc.blah.blah.blah) the man hours are lopsided about three
$to one in favor of the black neighborhoods (before 1992 programs were
$began).

I don't recall seeing any statistics like these.

$Also, your statement about a Black being more conspicuous in a white
$neighborhood than a white in a Black neighborhood is false. I can
$tell you believe all of the hype that is shoveled on soc.blah.blah.blah
$and other places where Anti-white Pro-black sewage is prevalent.
$A white person who ever tries to walk through Creekwood here, or
$drives down Castle Street is certain to be mugged or killed. They are
$conspicuous to the violent blacks. By contrast, a Black man can walk
$through ANY neighborhood he wants in 1992 without fear of violence
$in this city.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Probably not fear from the neighborhood residents, but rather fear from the
police.

$I bet Reginald Denny was conspicuous.


I bet he was.

-- 
Malcolm Diallo Moore, Honeywell/CIS-Univ. of Minn.     mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu
				            Moore_Malcolm+@ssdc.honeywell.com	
	"Arresk the Presidink!"
				-- Popeye the Intelligent Hoodlum
From: FKR@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: William Franklin Controversy
Date: 17 Aug 92 19:03:49 GMT
Organization: Penn State University


Why are folx wasting so much time with Franklin?  It appears he's in a class
w/ other ppl that have beendissed by the net before.  Ppl like Arthur Hu,
Glenn Cooley, etc.

I mean I think we can spend our time more constructively than giving idiots
like him and those "others" out any of our precious time.  If they want to
get slammed for writing stupid stuff, fine.  But let's not waste too much
time on them.  We make them "feel" important.  Let's use our on on more
issues.
*
*This space reserved for a new quote.
Fred Rozenblad*
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu*
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:15:16 GMT

gay@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gay Doucheanus) writes:

>Couldn't help but heap some more lopsided trash.



>Actually the correct response is get high priced lawyers like whites
>do who can get them off on mere technicalities.  Blindfold the white
>jurist so they cant see that you are black (instant sentence if they can).
>Strike any statement about going near a white neighborhood since that
>will always get you convicted.  Find a way to steal millions like whites
>that way you get a 10yr sentence that is reduced to 2yrs cause a family
>relative is sick you also get incarcerated at club med.  I'm referring
>to milken.   There are quite a few others but I can't think of them now.


Then why are the arrest records demographically the same for the violent
crimes as they are for the convictions?
(Blows your tired argument out of the water).



>Ohhhhh. Head Start, goes to a small few.  Not to mention that with this
>economy quite a few more whites are trying to get their kids in.
>Therefore you know that blacks will be displaced.



Heaven forbid that a poor white child get an education.
And yes, I do hear that group of whites in the boardroom plotting
"HEE HEE HEE, plan, plan, plan"



>No its people like you.  Today your masquerading as republicans, before
>they used to call you the KKK, a legal arm of the gov.


I am a liberal Democrat (who just doesn't listen to all of your lopsided
reasoning "whaa whaaa blame blame")




>Vacation with pay I'm sure.  Please spare me, dont throw this in,
>inorder to say "see I'm not prejudice."



I have nothing to prove to closed minded anti-white bigots like yourself
so you need not consider my motives behind my disagreement with the LAPD



>When blacks aren't using drugs, they still get the same treatment, which
>whites dont



Remember what I said earlier guys.. "It's easy to lower yourself into
the well of FAILURE when you use the bucket of BLAME as your elevator."
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin)
Subject: Re: Proof that Mr. Franklin is full of s***
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:00:58 GMT

<KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>>
>>
>>
>     Mr. Franklin has recently (yesterday) stated that he specifically said
>Washington DC, when he was citing his 75% of all violent crimes are perpetrated
>by Blacks.  Well, as you can see above, Mr. Franklin is full of shit.  He


The article you included above was the original article in which I DID
NOT say where the 75 percentile was from. In our next discussion I
CLEARLY SAID THAT THE 75 PERCENT WAS FROM D.C. 
PRINT THAT TOO!

I realize and admit that the ambiguity existed in the AP quote and
I cleared it up with you in our discussion. You are so weak with
your arguments and logic that your only notability is established
when you hop on my back about semantics or sources. Get an opinion.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: "Acting White"
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 04:55:55 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

wayne@tse.uucp (Wayne Hines) writes:


>But when some brothas seriously get on my butt because I "sound like 
>a white boy", that's just too much. It happened to me the other day.
>I mean you've got U.S. blacks who sound different from African 
>blacks, who sound different from Nova Scotian blacks, who sound 
>different from Jamaican blacks, who sound different from Trinidadian 
>blacks. These losers were dogging me because I "lost" my West Indian 
>accent (something I never had since I learned to speak, and read 
>in Britain).

>From now on, "a spade is a spade", and an idiot is an idiot, no more 
>patience for bigoted ignorance. Some of us need to learn that it's 
>not how you talk, or what accent you use. It's what you think, say, and 
>do for your people that counts.

Amazing that to this day some so-called enlightened academics write
papers about Ralph Ellison and Mark Twain being "unenlightened" because
they insist on using characters with very distinctive accents, as if
the act itself were politically the most important thing in the novel
(i.e., is cause for condemning the whole book).  Zora Houston I'm sure
will soon be on the hit list.

But it seems that for many people controlling others' actions is
still the most practical and natural thing to do in society.  So,
by that same thinking, are war and oppression.


-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@netcom.com)    |     "It is probable that, after economic
Evanston, Illinois             |    stability, the greatest single desire
                               |    in this country is for a reduction in
Jeremiah 6:14                  |    paranoia."          -- Stanley Crouch
From: ray.normandeau@factory.com (Ray Normandeau) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: RE: ACCENT SWITCHING [WAS
Date: 18 Aug 92 00:32:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-1243v.32bis
Reply-To: ray.normandeau@factory.com (Ray Normandeau) 

-> A comment on this whole discussion of "switching:"  In conversation,
-> if you want to be "successful" incommunication with the other person,
-> you do your best to communicate "on their level."  Meaning to speak
-> in a way easily understood by them, to not use words they are
-> unfamiliar with (jargon, dialectual words, etc), and not to speak in
-> tones or inflections that might be "normal" for you but of which you
-> know are differently taken by them.  It's not all that strange...
-> You conform to your audience to some extent for the sake of
-> facilitating the actof communic

I am French-Canadian and have worked as a carnival side show talker.
When I worked in Trois-Rivieres, Quebec with a show in French I spoke
French as spoken by French Canadians.
Here in NYC when I pitch products in French to French speaking people
from countries other then Canada (France, Haiti, ect.) I try to speak
what some would call Parisian French but which is really a French
understood by anyone from ANY French speaking country.

The carnival that used me in Trois-Riviere, had prior to hiring me used
someone who spoke French that he had learned presumably in school. It
might have been correct, but it didn't sell. The carnival hired me in
the USA for three years in row.
    
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Johns vs. Carpenter
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:18:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.154452.5825@athena.cs.uga.edu>,
heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes in response to my
article of <1992Aug19.182358.18680@morrow.stanford.edu>
HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels) to
<36774@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A.
Johns)'s conversation with
>>1992Aug14.222604.6413@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>
mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu >>(Michael J.  Carpenter)
.
[Lotsa stuff ditched]
.
And at the end I say, Thats why most black women will stick like
glue to the brothers REGARDLESS.
.
Then the brother says, Uh, I was with you all the way until you got
to this "REGARDLESS" business. I'd like to know just what you
mean by regardless, because I beleive there are certain black women
who would be better off not sticking to certain brothers.  The word
"REGARDLESS" bothers me here, because it seems to deny the
possiblity of abuse.
.
I knew that was going to come up.  No, that's not what I am saying,
nor do I promote sisters staying with brothers no matter what. I'm
not Shahrazad Ali by any stretch of the imagination. All I am saying
is, most black women will stick with brothers regardless.  They will
try, at least, to make it work or stick it out.
.
Is sexism, objectification and violence from black men any different
that the same thing from white men?  Is the abuse of one preferable
to the other?
.
No. Period. What I am saying is that the HISTORY of black female,
white male relationships, overall, has not been very positive,
although some of that is changing, albeit slowly. As a black woman,
I've had to look with askance at any white guy giving me a
line--any line. Probably even more than a white woman.  You just
wonder whether this is for real...or Memorex.
.
Like anyone else they need to stand up for themselves.  If a woman
want a man, it makes sense to find one who will treat her well,
REGARDLESS of his race.
.
Check.
.
Sorry, but when I hear stuff like that above, it sounds like black
women are pledging to "stick by the black man" no matter what he
does.  I think that does some women a lot more harm than good.
.
Agreed. But I did try to place a qualifier on there..."most black
women" does not mean all.  No poll here.
.
.
Thanks for helping me explain...
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: The Republican convention
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:27:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.171350.18620@ncsu.edu>,
mhmulli@eos.ncsu.edu (MARTIN HARPER MULLIS) writes:
>
I've been hearing many people say good things about Kemp.  The irony is that
Kemp is a leading Conservative, unlike Bush who is a moderate at
best.  On another note, I realize many people believe
Buchannon to be racist against minorities.  Can someone tell me
what he did to deserve this label.  The only accusations that I
have heard held very little weight and appeared as nothing more
than political ploys to turn voters away from him.
.
.
The reason people feel so warmly about Kemp as opposed to Bushie is
that despite his being conservative, he's populist.  Plus, he has a
record of working with black folk around housing issues.
.
Buchanan (this is the correct spelling) IS rather racist, and he's
proud of it.  Perhaps I'm jaded right now in remembering exactly
what and where, but I'll get back to you on that one.
From: wayne@tse.uucp (Wayne Hines)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:03:08 GMT
Organization: Toronto Stock Exchange

In article <1992Aug11.202932.6003@seq.uncwil.edu> frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:
>david@gdstech.grumman.com (David Nettles) writes:
>
>
>>By doing so what we have discovered is that the United States employs
>>more of its Black population than Canada in purely numerical terms
>>simply beause the United States has a population TEN TIMES that of
>>Canada.
>
>
>BECAUSE? So YOU are the master of cause and effect? Well, I am sure your
>parents are proud. Read todays posts. America and Canada have about the
>same employment rate for black people. AND, America pampers her 
>unemployed black people in comparison to Canada. Geez, this is an easier
>debate than I thought.
>

I'm sorry I missed the stats about U.S. blacks' employment rates, 
and Canadian Blacks' employment rates. I have seen some conjectures
extrapolating from the overall U.S. and Canadian employment rates, but
that of course is an entirely different matter. What is the source
of Blacks' employment rates in the two countries.

Also, in what way are American unemployed blacks pampered, compared to
Canadian unemployed blacks. In Canada an unemployed person will receive
unemployment insurance income. When that runs out, the person will receive
welfare. There is also government housing accomodation (not in ghettos),
national health care, national gov't subsidized education. I personally
know of students from low-income (or no-income) backgrounds, for 
whom the government has paid for over 90% of their educational costs 
[tuition accomdations, etc.]. (Needless to say, the remaining

I could go on ad nauseum about differences but you need to concisely
offer some stats, (and sources) to quantitatively support your assertion.

  - Average, and *Median* income for U.S. blacks vs. Canadian blacks
  - life expectancy rates for blacks in the two country
  - incarceration rates for blacks in the two country

Next, there are qualitative factors: crime, racial climate, pollution, 
the amount of snow, the Blue Jays, the Dream Team, etc. etc.
-- 
__________________________________________________________________________
		Wayne Hines 
		wayne@tse.uucp 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: stovall@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Steven Stovall)
Subject: Re: Clinton's Disrespect For Jessee Jackson
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Distribution: usa
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:40:19 GMT

frankli@seq.uncwil.edu (william carter franklin) writes:

>HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gay Belle Daniels) writes:

Somebody needs to pop a cap in yo white trash head, muthafuckah.

_______________________________________________________________________________

steven stovall
stovall@exeter.cs.ucla.edu
(310) 825-7307
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: >> " Acting white "
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 15:45:23 GMT
Organization: Netcom (but I'm in Evanston, Illinois)
Distribution: soc.culture.african.american
Reply-To: barnhart@netcom.com

isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell) writes:

>This "you talk like a White man" think is irritating I suppose and
>I've never argued that it doesn't exist.  What I have argued is that
>there is no widespread "being successful" = "acting White" view in the
>Black community.

We get an interesting cross-section of it in Evanston.  On the one
hand it is very much "the promised land" for many poor blacks (and
probably whites, too) compared with the poverty they grew up with.
It's green and nice, the housing in some parts of town is actually
affordable, and the school system definitely has its warts but is
a haven, from what I hear, compared with Chicago Public Schools.
(Tho' I wouldn't give up on CPS just yet!)  On the other hand, you've
got gang activity building here, in my neighborhood and many others in
south and west Evanston, disrupting the serenity.  Well, what is it
other than the clash of these two outlooks -- one that embodies the
equal opportunity of success in the integrated residential housing of
our neighborhoods, and one that seems to say hustling is the only
viable path?

It's all heightened, I think, by the explosiveness and brutality of the
one ethos and the general desire for peace and quiet -- to be left alone
-- of the other.

Of course, city rabblerousers occasionally sneer at Evanston, Hyde Park,
South Shore, and now even old Irish Beverly, which have all become
integrated, in their eyes, because they can afford to be integrated.
They are, after all, neighborhoods of the comfortable people.  These
neighborhoods are famous as the ones you want to move to if you're in
an interracial relationship.  That draws a lot of flak from people who
think these brotherrrs and sisterrrs aren't pulling their weight.  Tough.


-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@netcom.com)    |     "It is probable that, after economic
Evanston, Illinois             |    stability, the greatest single desire
                               |    in this country is for a reduction in
Jeremiah 6:14                  |    paranoia."          -- Stanley Crouch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: Re: This FRANKLIN person
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 15:32:58 GMT
Organization: Netcom
Reply-To: barnhart@netcom.com

mmoore@epx.cis.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness") writes:

>You know, there's something really a trip about [name deleted].  His logic
>is almost believable, but it's like he has his own reality that's slightly
>off of everyone else's.  I used to have to work with a woman like that, believe
>me it ain't fun.

Especially when women like [deleted] are running your local p.d.



-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@netcom.com) -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
From: v071pve3@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Amba K Singletary)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: RE: ACCENT SWITCHING [WAS
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:16:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


I have a question... What's the point???

I mean I am an African, I have been raised with Hispanic, West Indian, Arabic,
African American, and European America influences.

I switch dialects and accent atleast five times in a conversation depending on
whom I am speaking too and of what we are discussing.

It's not a "attempt" to sound anyway or downplay my heritage.

It's a matter of reflex.

When I speak with my grandparents my MISSISSIPPI Accent comes out full force.

I think a person who can switch accents has a better chance at surviving
than someone who is stuck with a permanent mark language.

It strange I once new a person who one passion in life has been languages and 
dialects. She once tried  to figure out were I was born and raised by my 
normal speach patterns. She gave up.

----It's not the accent of the words but the power of the voice.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: HF.GTD@forsythe.stanford.edu (Gabrielle Daniels)
Subject: Re: Elvis as metaphor
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 17:42:42 GMT

In article <13AUG199209460711@venus.lerc.nasa.gov>,
edsum02@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Cassondra Pope) writes
in response to my admission that:
>>
>>(2) Bush is also on drugs. And I can document that.  It is a
>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>This is interesting. I'd like to hear more about this!
.
.
On top of using 5 other drugs for his thyroid problem and his
possible heart trouble, George Herbert HOOVER Bush used to take
Halcion.  This is a very controversial drug. It has been banned in
Britain, for example, since several people began exhibiting serious
suicidal and violent tendencies, and tried to work out their
problems on people around them. One woman here in this country tried
to beat a murder rap for doing her invalid mother because she was
under its influence.
.
Since I work for physicians, I do have access to a Physician's Desk
Reference.  Halcion causes hallucinations, violence, depression,
amnesia, and sleep apnea.
.
After February 5, 1992, Bush was taken off Halcion.  Even James
Baker has or is using them. Baker calls them, "little blue bombs."
.
Think of Iraq, folks.