From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Who cares
Date: 25 Jul 92 05:37:49 GMT
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
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In article <1992Jul21.100930.41773@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins) writes:
>
>Andrea dworkin had a wonderful challenge to a Men's group she
>addressed, in Idaho I believe.  She said basically she thought it was
>wonderful that men were learning to be open about there emotions, and
>finding out it was okay to touch each other.  But she followed this by
>saying it really didn't mean shit to the women in the world.  If they
>really wanted to be such great and changing men, she said the should
>do something about rape.  She said all she wanted, to restore her
>faith in men, all she wanted to know that men were worth anything at
>all, was a 24 hour period in which there was no rape.  Just 24 hours
>without a rape. 

As if I, or any other male, have the means to control the actions of
other males on the other side of the world?  It was Cain who said "am I
my brother's keeper?" and the JCI god who answered "yes"

Todd said it in another post in this thread,  are you decreeing original
sin yet again?

Yes, I'm mad as hell that my women friends feel unsafe and insecure
walking alone, and more than once I've put my own ass on the line to
object to some idiots sexist commentary when walking by.  I still do,
despite having faced down more than one or two guns pointed in my
direction.

Its the damned assumptions that "no one is doing anything" that have me
so riled about this thread.

I AM DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT.  And because I am, the next generation
will have a stronger base to continue opposing the oppressors and
ignorance.

How dare you tread so lightly and dismiss the blood spilt to achieve the
slim margins of liberation we have already.  Will you set at naught the
grim lessons of "The Burning Times?"

The folks who have the courage and strength to post here are most likely
to be the folks who have the courage and strength to do something in
their lives beyond this net.

It was the folks in this exact newsgroup that gave me the example and
courage to make the break with my cultural and personal past to step out
of the "broom closet" and to proudly claim that "I am a pagan!"  To
declare that I am no longer bound by the chains of the cultural
religious institutions, with their guilt trips and mind-numbing
conformity.

And them to come here and hear the same techniques turned around to
enslave me yet again to some new icon?

Of course I am angry and defensive about it.  Especially because these
accusations and vague generalities are being hurled against others in
the direct denial of their inherent dignity and worth.

Oh I'm so sorry, I guess I'm being to radical here.  NOT!

I celebrate even these grim lessons, because I and my ancestors paid
dearly for the right to do so.


				Wolfe
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