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From: glo@dvlseq.us.oracle.com (George Lo)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: THE MASTER
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:38:43 GMT
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In article <axolotl.722221091@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au writes:
>fwong@bnr.ca (Frank Wong) writes:
> >It's not too bad. Story is basically ; Jet Li comes to U.S. to visit
> >his Sifu, has to battle bad white guy who has beat up Sifu and destroyed
> >his herb shop (Bo Chi Lam). The fight scenes are o.k. , but there is
> >no comparison to Once Upon A Time In China : Wong Fei Hong 1 & 2.
>
>I don't think many westerners will get to see Once Upon A Time in China 1 & 2,
>since they are deliberately not subtitled.  (If I directed a film with 19th
>century white kung fu experts called "Tiger" who spoke perfect Cantonese,
>I'd make sure it wasn't subtitled. :-)
>
>Jet Li was the one using the umbrella, right?  Impressive, to say the least.
>What styles is he best known for?
>
If you get the real copy, (not pirate copies from LD), it is subtitled.
Yes, Jet Li used an umbrella in part 1, really good fighting scenes,
you won't be interested in US martial art movies after seeing this
quality one.
From: connebr@yang.earlham.edu (Brandon Connerly)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: The art of head-butting!
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:47:59 GMT
Organization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana

In article <Bxu4FE.637@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
> 
> Hello, all.
> I've always wondered, how do you pull off a successful headbutt without
> hurting yourself?  I've experimented/practiced a little bit (ow!), and
> found that the part of the skull about three inches above the eyebrows
> is a TOUGH spot in the skull.  It's ABOUT where the hairline recedes.  I
> hit a wall w/ my head and it didn't hurt.. too much. :)  Call me
> insane.. :)  I just would like to know how to do it correctly, as a
> headbutt in a close, locked battle is a GOOD move.  Thanks.

Well, what I've seen and done to work on headbutting form is to throw a 
soccer ball up in the air and practice headbutting it. Once you've found 
the right spot on your head and can hit it up two or three times in a row, 
you can move on to something a little bit heavier, like a basketball, to 
work on force. It's usually a good idea to remember to tilt your shoulders 
back and not just bend the neck (owwww! neck sprains!) Put your head, neck 
and shoulders into it. Also practice on some sort of vertical pad/bag to 
make yourself aware of the adjustment from headbutting up to headbutting 
forward.
> -- 
> Sam Hulick 
-- 
"They don't call me stupid for nothing!"   -Stimpson J. Cat
"For some of these same Quakers are the most sanguinary of all...| -H.Melville
 They are fighting Quakers; they are Quakers with a vengeance."  | "Moby Dick"
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From: phantom@gagme.chi.il.us (Leif Ericksen)
Subject: Re: 10th Dan & Badass Karate (belt system)
Originator: phantom@gagme
Keywords: dirty smelly stinkin' gi
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 06:36:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov15.190126.206@pages.com> kevin@pages (Kevin Sven Berg) writes:
>In article <1992Nov14.045400.26626@gagme.chi.il.us> phantom@gagme.chi.il.us  
>(Leif Ericksen) writes:
>[...snip snip ...]
>> 	True, the original belt systems was teh dirtier it was the
>> more experience you supposedly had.  THUS the tradition that YOU NEVER
>> EVER was your belt.
>
>'never wash you belt?
>
>This sounds like folklore, and I find it hard to believe arising from a
>society that places great value in bathing and cleanliness.
>
	PLEASE NOTE:
	
	I said BELT, I did NOT SAY GI!!

	I have heard of this old tradition from more than one source.  SO
I can belive that the true tradition to a ranking system was by HOW dirty
your BELT was, PLEASE NOTE: NO cheaters allowed, DO not mash your belt in the
dirt.  SO, as it stands, you do not wash your belt but you always wash the
GI usually after every practice!



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Leif Ericksen
phantom@gagme.chi.il.us

 You may train for a long time, but if you merely move your hands and feet
and jump up and down like a puppet, learning karate is not very different from
learning a dance.  You will never have reached the heart of the matter; you 
will have failed to grasp the quintessence of karate-do
					- Gichin Funakoshi
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From: lchurch2@bluemoon.use.com (Leonard Church)
Subject: Re: book                             
Organization: Blue Moon BBS ((614) 868-998[024])
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 09:22:16 EST

don@helix.nih.gov (donald seto) writes:

> if anyone's interested, i just got a flyer (#RF-1) from Asian World
> of Martial Arts, Inc.  selling hardback copies of musashi's
> book of five rings for $10.95   215-925-1161      800-345-AWMA
>  
> --
> don@helix.nih.gov
> 301-402-0580   Bldg10/Rm8D14    NIDDK/NIH       Bethesda, MD  20892

I picked up a copy at a Waldens' in their discontinued stack for $1.00. 
Would be worth looking around at some of the larger commercial book 
stores.  The _Book of Five Rings_ is not as popular as it once was... now 
it seems every MBA and their brother is into _The Art of War_ so that book 
may be easy to acquire now.

Funny how modern businesses are turning to the principles most of the 
m.a.'s have studied for a very long time.


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Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick)
Subject: Re: The art of head-butting!
Organization: Vallen Software
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:45:37 GMT

In article <1eb1rdINN38l@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>, acharya@HYDRA.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU says most sayishly:
>In article <Bxu4FE.637@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, shulick@yankton.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes:
>>hurting yourself?  I've experimented/practiced a little bit (ow!), and
>well, keep doing it for a while. experiment with different angles, striking
>areas, etc. let us know how things turn out.
>
>-mukund

Okwwkk, iivv don itt fxfor whiilelee..annad i feeell okkayr. :)

No, but seriously.  Here's a little diagram..

    \
     \      ______
      -->  /      \
          |        |
           >
          /
         /_
           |

The arrow points to the tough spot.  It's near the hairline.  It feels
like it's the "corner" of your head.  It's amazingly tough, and a friend
of mine can headbutt lockers really hard. :) (Now HE'S insane).  And
when I was practicing, by the way, I was using the heel of my hand. NOT
a wall. :)  Happy headbutting.

-- 
Sam Hulick          | "You can't discover new oceans unless you have the
shulick@indiana.edu | courage to lose sight of the shore."  --Anon.
(NeXTmail welcome)  |
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: What are the purposes of Forms ?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:11:19 GMT

In article <JON.92Nov23100817@zeus.med.utah.edu> jon@zeus.med.utah.edu (Jonathan Byrd) writes:
>   For reference, Chinese fighting styles commonly include both
>   weapon and empty hand forms performed with a partner.

>Thanks for the input.  A question: Are these two-person forms named
>and studied in the same way as the single-person forms?

At least in bagua and taiji, no: The two-person forms/sets are
seperate from and named/refered to differently than the one-person
forms. (I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "studied in the same
way."...)

>From
>what I have seen, few people study the kihon kumite as seriously as
>they study the kata.  I feel this is unfortunate.

The two-person sets also are less than central to the above mentioned
arts (not necessarily true for advanced students of taiji who have
a good instructor...) But there are also number of two-person,
less formal exercises that are extremely usefull (push hands, "walking
the circle" with someone, etc...) How much emphasis an instructor 
places on these seems to differ a great deal...

>I think that two-person forms are an excellent way of learning.  The
>down side of two-person forms is that you must find a good partner.

It is also important if you want to _remember_ the form: For lack of
practice (and someone to practice with), I've forgotten the
"defender" side of a two-person bagua set...

                                              Frank Crary
                                              CU Boulder
From: durway@devnull.tandem.com (Lindsey Durway)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: THE MASTER & head butts
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:27:46 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers, Inc.

In article <Bxv448.JFM@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, la@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Lewis Alderton) writes:
>In article <farant.27j8@terapin.com>, farant@terapin.com (Faran Thomason) writes:
>> HAs anyone out there seen Tsui Hark's film The Master--with Jet Li ?? Ist any
>> good ?? The few bit's I have seen seem out of place for a Hark film.
>
>No , but I watched the Lee Van Cleef series called THE MASTER - and that
>'proves' that Ninja stil exist!!

Indeed!  Lee Van Cleef on Mystery Science Theater 3000!  Everyone sing:
MASTER NINJA THEEEEEEME SSOOOOONNNNG!

ObM-A:
About head butts, I can offer this insight as a soccer player:
The best spot is at the hairline (for those of you with full head of hair).
On the forehead:  too low.  On the top of the head:  too high (hurts!).
A good soccer player heads the ball with strength from the legs &
waist--not the neck.  The neck just isn't made for delivering power.
By swinging from the waist & legs, you get a lot more weight into the
motion.

Second thought:  the forehead might be sufficient for breaking someone's
nose, as the cartilege in the nose isn't that strong, but I wouldn't
recommend trying to crack someone's skull with your forehead.

-- 
Lindsey Durway, a guy.  durway@mpd.tandem.com
I'm not deaf--I'm ignoring you.
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Counters
Date: 19 Nov 92 13:38:42 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth


From observations of experts, I reckon theres much hot air talked about
street work. Sure, m.a. techniques work bvery effectively against untrained
yobs. But then you spend hours a week trianing, and just about ANYTHING 
will work with this imbalance. People who require streetfighting as a 
professional tool do not fall into this category, they train very hard,
and their techniques are tested by natural selection! They are ugly,
minimalist and completely effective.

My view, and that of m.a. people I have discussed this with (some of 
whom are GOOD), is that dan level and above has protective value on
the street, but below this, m.a. training can be a liability due to
an undeserved sense of invulnerability even against untrained but 
practised thugs.

The consensus was universally
that if you come across a professional, you simply grovel and run 
away very very fast and preferably simultaneously. I have found this 
works very well for me in ALL situations.
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: das@unislc.uucp (David Shorten)
Subject: Re: new SEAL book title?
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:57:54 GMT

Peter Jason Ward (pw2j+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:
: I believe the book you're thinking of is ROUGE WARRIOR, although I
                                           ^^^^^
: cannot remember the author's name.  One of the benefits of working at a
: B. Dalton's for a year and a half.

I've been looking for a teacher of lipstick-do. Is the rouge warrior
a master of that to?
From: bae@Auspex.COM (Brian Ehrmantraut)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Boxing vs Martial Arts
Date: 20 Nov 92 07:47:55 GMT

In article <1eht5vINNi9d@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, 49ers@eb5ts4.EBay.Sun.COM (Renie Maycon) writes:
> which is more superior martial arts or boxing ?

	Yes.

> And Why?

	Because this one goes to 11...

-- 
		Brian A. Ehrmantraut

BELL:   voice:(408) 492-0900  fax: (408) 492-0909  
USnail:	Auspex Systems, 2952 Bunker Hill Lane, Santa Clara, CA 95054  
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: What are the purposes of Forms ?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:13:40 GMT

In article <74608@apple.apple.COM> mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:
>Two-person forms, like
>solo forms, generally consist of anywhere from 30 or 40 to
>upwards of 200-300 attacks and counters, performed in
>various combinations (depending on the individual form) of
>armed and unarmed.

Bagua sets are generally much shorter than this: 5-15 techniques. 
(Of course, that might depend on how you count...)

                                                Frank Crary
                                                CU Boulder
From: kkangas@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi
Subject: Re: Tae Kwon Do, getting a Black Belt, etc...
Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 08:17:08 GMT

>>  I have been training in TKD here in Ft Collins for about a year now,
>>and I am presently a red belt (white,yellow,green,blue,red,black).  
> 
> This sounds like pretty rapid advancement to me, 

        Yes, it's sound quite fast progress. Comparing with ITF in Finland
        you need to have three months between graduations in color belts,
        and when you graduate first black belt, one year is required after 
        the red one or half an year from red to red with stripe and an other
        half an year from red with stripe to black. So, in theory it takes 
        two years to get black belt, but in practice it takes about three to
        five years. 

>                                                but different schools
> have different ideas of what ostensibly the same rank should mean.
> There's nothing wrong with that, as long as it's understood.

        yep, keep up the good work :-)

        kari


        BTW I have my graduation next month and I try to get 3. gup, but 
            in practice it's going to be 4. gup I get (hopefully), now I have 
            5. gup. It's two gups/year, so two years to go before black belt.
From: david@xlnt.com (David Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Charging for training?
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:00:16 GMT
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc (XDI)

In article <1992Nov15.195054.27141@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>, anderson@fermi.phys.ualberta.ca (Warren G. Anderson) writes:
|> 
|>  Richard Parry writes:
|> 
|> >    We pretty much feel that if you are making money out of a love of
|> >    something (take that however you like), you are indeed cheapening it.
|> 
|> Interesting attitude. I love physics and I make a (meager) living out of 
|> doing it. I don't really feel like I'm cheapening it. By your philosophy,
|> if anyone has a job doing something they love they should give up the job
|> so that they can get one doing something they don't love and then just 
|> pursue the thing they love on a hobby level. 
|> 
|> All the best. Hope your doing something you dislike suitably for a living.

I agree with Warren.  The martial arts teacher is entitled to make a
decent or even prosperous living if (s)he works at it hard enough.
Does Richard mean to say that a good and dedicated full time martial
arts instructor should not live above the poverty line?

My objection to the money thing in martial arts instruction is when
the art is compromised for the sake of getting more cash.  Eg.,
promising to award a black belt to someone if that person stays
with the school x years (and spending y dollars in the process)
without regard to skill level.

When you attend a university you expect to pay for your education.
Utilities and upkeep need to be paid for.  Instructors salaries
need to be paid (they deserve a decent living too).  But you should
not expect to get a degree after attending the school for four
years if you paid your fees and was enrolled but never studied
and never performed well in class.  The school be in the business
of educating you and you compensate the school for that education.
The educating is the school's mission.  Collecting fees should only
be done as necessary to pay for operating it and keeping the
standards of quality high not for the purpose of keeping the fat cats fat.

-- 
David Johnson
XLNT Designs, Inc. (XDI)
david@xlnt.com
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From: schan@birch.srg.af.mil (Stephen Chan x4485)
Subject: Re: Informal Usage Survey
Organization: SRG, Arinc Research Corp., Annapolis, MD
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 14:22:02 GMT

In article <POPOVICH.92Nov18164317@morningside.cs.columbia.edu> popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich) writes:
>This is getting dangerously close to, if it is not already, prohibited
>commercial use of the Internet.  While some particular subnets of the
>Internet permit commercial use, many of the important "backbone"
>subnets, such as NSFnet, prohibit commercial traffic.

	[ahem]
	As a former mail/news administrator for the andrew.cmu.edu domain...
	[ "oooohhhhhhh ahhhhhhh", trumpets play]

	I'll point out that commercial use is against the Acceptable Use Policy
of PrepNET (the regional net for W. PA) as of 1990-1991. That may have changed
by now, since many regional nets are trying to justify their continued
existence by allowing commercial traffic.

>  IMHO, such a
>service as you propose could not be lawfully provided at the current
>time.  I would not advise setting up such a service, since it might
>subject you to litigation if one of those subnets I mentioned earlier
>decided to go after you.

	The best way to find out would be to contact the PrepNet NIC, send mail
to prepnet+@andrew.cmu.edu, or call x7870 - they could probably give you the
low down.

--
	Stephen Chan
	uunet!srg!schan or uunet!srg!schan@uunet.uu.net
From: gt1274b@prism.gatech.EDU (Dan Puckett)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Counters
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:41:18 GMT
Organization: Screaming Lizard Propulsion Systems


azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
>The consensus was universally
>that if you come across a professional, you simply grovel and run 
>away very very fast

How to spot a professional thug:

  o  He has his own secretary.
  o  After he mugs you, he asks you to fill out a quality assessment
     survey.
  o  He has a mailing list.
  o  He tries to sell you "I was mugged" memorabilia.
  o  He has a booth at the local crime tradeshow.
  o  He offers you discounts for volume.
  o  He reports his crime income to the IRS.
  o  The union card is a dead giveaway.

  
-- 
Dan Puckett:                                    rugged, revisionist, runcible.
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From: npalmer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Nicholas P Palmer)
Subject: Re: berimbaus, Brazilian arts, Capoeira
Keywords: capoeria
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:52:09 GMT

In article <BxyF3u.3M4@acsu.buffalo.edu> rmr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Richard M. Romanowski) writes:

>	He mentioned Capoeira, a Brazilian method of martial artistry.
>	Any one know about this? And (obsession becomes apparent) how
>it relates to Kundalini?  If at all?

I'm posting this to tell you I'll post more later. I have a meeting in 8 mins,
and have to jet.

Argh.

Peace.

Nik
From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: any dojos in the plainsboro/princeton area? (NJ)
Date: 17 Nov 92 17:06:13 GMT
Distribution: nj
Organization: Twilight Zone

In article <Nov.12.12.07.26.1992.4027@cesl.rutgers.edu> sofmac@cesl.rutgers.edu (Sofus Attila Macskassy) writes:
>
>I'm looking for any dojos in the plainsboro/princeton area.
>I'm looking specifically for arts that has kicking, throwing and
>good falling techniques.
>Also, I'm looking for a dojo that places importance on spiritual
>development as well as technique.

	There is a Jujutsu club at Rutgers.  Sorry, but I do not remeber
	the persons name that runs the organization.  LAst I knew, they
	met in the Wrestling room in the gym on College Av.  Look it up,
	they should still be there.

	-Andy V.
From: ttk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (the troglodyte killer)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: Re: Navy SEALs and Jeet Kune Do
Date: 19 Nov 1992 02:58:11 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucscb.ucsc.edu


>I was reading in an old issue of IKF that Paul Vunak is exclusively training
>Navy SEALs in his system of Jeet Kune Do. I was wondering if anybody else on
>this newsgroup knows what other Specforces groups train in other martial arts
>styles. When I was in the Navy I tried to start a martial arts conversation
>with a SEAL but he said his training is classified. That was about 4 years ago
>I don't know what new training is going on now.
 
     Well, an old highschool buddy of mine popped up last year 
(just bailed out of the army, looking for a job) and while we were 
talking and catching up on each others' lives he mentioned that 
while in the army he'd been trained up to the 1st Dan level in 
Shotokan Karate.  The way he said it made me think that this 
wasn't at all unusual, perhaps even common.
     Since I'm only 6th Ryu (in Shotokan Karate), and since he 
mentioned tutoring others in Shotokan, I asked him to review my 
technique and help me out in making it more practical (I've been 
practicing on my own away from a dojo/sensei for two years now).  
He had plenty of advice to offer, and showed me "the right way" to 
do a combat inside-shuto strike, among other things..
 
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From: gints@prophet.esd.sgi.com (Gints Klimanis)
Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts
Subject: new SEAL book title?
Date: 23 Nov 92 08:02:59 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: prophet.esd.sgi.com

Hi !

Anyone know title/author/ISBN# for the autobiography of the Navy SEALS founder?

Thank you.