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From: mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur)
Subject: Re: Bodyfat Reduction
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 21:52:39 GMT

In <1gqnubINN2c1@male.EBay.Sun.COM> sproule@gethsemane.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
>    I believe the reason why so many doctors and sports specialists seem to
>think, and I highlight the word think, that low bodyfat percentages are some-
>how dangerous is because almost everyone in America has anywhere from 10-20%
>bodyfat on their bodies.

The reason people are down on low body fat is because some study (perhaps
the Framingham heart study?) showed that people with very low body fat were
at a greater risk of heart attack than moderately overweight people.  However,
what wasn't clear was whether their low body fat caused their tendency to
heart disease or whether low body fat was itself a symptom of some other
factor (like cigarette smoking) that was responsible.

I think it depends on how you want to live your life.  It is not clear that
having an ultra low body fat is better for you than a normal (Covert
Bailey says that is 12-18% for men and 19-25% for women--lower number is
for blacks, higher for Oriental, and middle for Caucasians) body fat level.  

Beth Mazur                   "...life is more than a vision.  The sweetest
mazur@inmet.inmet.com         part is acting after making a decision."
...!uunet!inmet!mazur                                  -- The Indigo Girls
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Steroid Negatives
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 03:10:50 GMT

In article <1h0181INN3dn@mirror.digex.com> backpack@access.digex.com (Stuart Reges) writes:
>I have addressed this subject on this newsgroup before.  Can anyone name even
>ONE reputable source to back up the claim that steroids cause increased
>aggression or anger or rage?  Nobody has ever cited a study for me that
>verifies this claimed side-effect of steroids.

Why should someone else be expected to do your work for you?
Go to your local medical library and do a MEDLINE search on
anabolic steroid use and aggression.

Increased aggressiveness is certainly recognized as a possible
side effect of anabolic steroid use: it's been reported by users,
by relatives of people using the drugs, and there are any number
of substantiated reports of this phenomenon in the literature.
This is not to say that it's guaranteed to happen; it depends on
the individual and the amount of drug which is taken daily.
This is not controversial.

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: amelito@cafws1.eng.uci.edu (Amelito Enriquez)
Subject: Re: Too late to build?
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 15 Dec 92 17:35:34 GMT
Distribution: na

In article <1992Dec14.224410.14321@psg.com> rick@psg.com (Rick Buhagiar) writes:
>
>I want to start working out in a Gym, but at 25 am I too late to begin body
>building? Would Amino acids help in any way, and how should they be taken
>(after or before exercise?). I am a very thin guy (60 kilograms) and would
>like just to have a body! I have no aspirations to be Mr Universe but I would
>like a body to be proud of before its too late. I used to play alot of sport
>but with heavy job commitments I have gone into a fitness rut and I cant
>believe how I have changed in a short amount of time (physically). Whats the
>best method to motivate oneself after long periods of laziness?
>
>Regards, Rick.
>
>-- 
>rick@psg.com       uunet!m2xenix!rick
Rick,
	My friend, do not despair!  Five and a half years ago (I was 24 then),
I was in exactly the same dilemma.  I was 95 lbs (43 kg -- I am 5'3") and I was
at the worst shape I had even been because of school and work.  It was then 
when I decided to start going to the gym.  For about 6 months, I'd go three
times a week for about an hour.  Then, I started to really like it and I got
into it more seriously.  Now, I weigh 150 lbs and my passion for weight lifting
is more intense than ever.  I guess what I am trying to say is that it is never
too late.  The most important thing is that you FALL IN LOVE with it.  Unless
you really like it, you probaly won't stick with it.  After all, getting fit is
more than a hobby, it's a way of life!
	So grab your gym bag and run to the nearest gym you can find.  ENJOY!!
Regards,
Amelito

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: paul@panix.com (Paul Gatker)
Subject: Squats vs Leg Presses
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 06:00:51 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC


 I have a Marcy machine with a leg press setup where you push straight up
while lying on the back.

 I get good workouts with this and don't get any injuries. I compete in
biathlons so this is for the purpose of general strength increase.

 Would there be any great advantage in doing conventional barbell squats?
I'd hate to mess up my knees/back. Aren't the leg presses good enough?

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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: wkulecz@life.jsc.nasa.gov (Walter B. Kulecz, Ph.D)
Subject: Re: Tan for the winter
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Organization: KRUG Life Sciences
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:30:14 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.180149.25717@ra.msstate.edu>, jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
wrote:
> 
> I used to use tanning beds, but the last time I did,
> I couldn't get my skin to stop looking like it had
> dandruff. It really dried it out! Also, I have read
> that the tan from a bed will NOT protect you from the
> sun. It's just cosmetic. Something about A and B 
> ultraviolet rays. Anyway, I wouldn't recommend it.
> 
> Kay Jones

All the bad things said so far are true except for not protecting from
sunburn.  I had a tanning bed tan this summer 'cause our weather here was
so lousy.  We went to the beach in Florida. The two others had no tan and
used sunscreens, I used nothing.  They had sunburns on the spots sunscreen
washed off from (or was "missed"),  I just got a litle darker.  For me, the
risk of skin cancer from tanning (bed or beach) is much smaller than what I
take every day driving to work on the freeway, and I enjoy the beach a lot
more than the freeway.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: samari@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Tammy Woodley)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Excercising too hard?
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:42:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: galaxy.24446
Reply-To: samari@watserv.ucr.edu
Distribution: usa


I have fairly light skin, and when I work out, my face generally turns
red.  This is usually at about 140-150 bps heart rate.  For a long time,
I thought I might be working out too hard, or that I was not drinking
enough water.  But, now I'm fairly in shape and drink a lot of water, this
has not changed.  

Then, I went for a check up, and my doc told me that she too had the
same trouble.  What she suggested was that it is caused by coffee and
sodas.  Caffeine definately opens up the blood vessels and encourages
blood to come up to the skin.  But, is there something else in coffee
and soda that could cause this?

Recently I've switched to no caff/no sugar cokes, and I've seen a 
rather large difference, although I still turn pink fairly often.

What are your opinions/suggestions?


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From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Really Strong Stuff
Date: 12 Dec 92 18:40:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Dec12.184029.6439
Organization: Western Washington University

dave@clark.dgim.doc.ca (Dave Thompson) writes:

>Has anybody used the the muscle activator product called Really Strong
>Stuff? If a person's goal is to increase mass, is this a good product to
>use? Should good weight gain powders also be used at the same time or is
>R.S.S. good enough on its own? Should R.S.S. be taken only on days that
>you work out?

	It should only be taken on days you want to waste money on crap.

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: scott@bell.b17a.ingr.com (Scott Bell)
Subject: Re: Why?
Organization: Intergraph
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 14:10:10 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.210520.21275@linus.mitre.org>, m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
|> In article <horwath.724615078@geode11> horwath@rtsg.mot.com (George Horwath) writes:
|> }m23364@mwunix (James Meritt) writes:
|> }
|> }
|> }>Given that you are reading this group, you presumably have at least a slight
|> }>interest in improving yourself.  Why?
|> }
|> }Why not?
|> 
|> There is "the sculpture sculped" problem - it HURTS!!!!
|> 
|> And then there is the small psychological problem involved in stepping
|> off into the unknown.
|> 
|> And the small problem that to become something else (sorta) means the death
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> of the original.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> 
  
    Deep stuff, but untrue. Try not to think about it TOO much and( here's to 
    NIKE! ):

          JUST DO IT!

    If you feel you're losing instead of gaining, it's obvious something's amiss.
    But I think you'll be surprised at what you'll gain - mentally and physically.

    These two quotes might help:

     "Nothing good comes free, or is easily obtainable" 
                               - unknown
     "You can touch the bright lights, but you won't get them for free."
                               - GNR

    Wow - I've gotta go read the comics... :)
    Scott
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From: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Steroid Negatives
Date: 17 Dec 92 13:01:38 GMT
Reply-To: kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

I have been reading the Supplements thread for a while now and there
seems to be a case for steroids working to build mass, strength, etc.
I have yet to see any of the downside of 'roid use mentioned. I'm no
doctor and know diddley squat about the juice but.....could someone
explain the downside......roid rage...kidney failure????
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Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: Too late to build?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:50:50 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.002506.18967@news.Hawaii.Edu> robin@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Robin Amano) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>                   JUST DO IT!!

Hey!  You stole my line (after I stole it from Nike...)
But basically, since everyone has their own theory, and they all seem
to work, I came to the conclusion, long ago, that the "JUST DO IT"
philosophy is the best one to have.  Just get in the gym, or wherever,
and start working!  You'll learn as you go and you'll find what works best for
you.

Ron

Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: bobk@gibdo.engr.washington.edu (Bob)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Do sit-ups make you thicker?
Date: 19 Dec 92 02:37:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: gibdo.1992Dec19.020147.14603
Organization: University of Washington

almo@usops.EBay.Sun.COM writes:
| The program I follow in Arnie's Encyclopedia warns against that.

  Yup, Arnold has a good discussion on working the abs.  In general,
  he agrees that aerobics and diet are essential in getting rid of most
  of the fat.  But, speaking through experience, he says that a lot of
  abs-specific exercise is needed to get them tight and hard.

  I agree with this.  Unless you are young and genetically inclined
  towards it, aerobics and exercise are not enough to produce a hard,
  tight stomach.

  The Encyclopedia presents a lot of good exercises that have since
  been incorporated into most aerobic workouts.  The most common mistake
  is to overwork the upper-abs, which regular sit-ups will do.  Most
  people (men anyway) tend to have large upper-abs and regular sit-ups
  will just make them too large and bulgy.  I work the lower and middle
  stomach, the obliques, the lower back and upper legs.   I do very
  little work that is specifically for the upper abs.  

  The trick is to do light exercises for a lot of reps over the entire
  stomach area and the surrounding muscles.  You want quantity in this
  case.  Try to do at least 5 to 10 minutes of stomach (and surrounding
  areas) work everyday (or as often as possible).

  Of course, diet and general aerobic exercise are necessary to keep
  the excess fat off.  Like they say, it's no use having great stomach
  muscles if they're all covered up with fat.
  ==

  Bob                                 Seattle, Washington
Newsgroups: misc.fitness,alt.self-improve
From: m23364@mwunix (James Meritt)
Subject: Why?
Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 13:28:20 GMT


Given that you are reading this group, you presumably have at least a slight
interest in improving yourself.  Why?

Jim Meritt
--
James W. Meritt:  m23364@mwunix.mitre.org - or - jmeritt@mitre.org
The opinions above are mine.  If anyone else wants to share them, fine.
They may say so if they wish. The facts "belong" to noone and simply are.
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: cecchinr@gehrig.cs.rpi.edu (Ron Cecchini)
Subject: Re: SUPPLEMENTS! (was Re: Really Strong Stuff)
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 18:52:53 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.085819.23573@schbbs.mot.com> sdunbar@mailbox.fwrdc.rtsg.mot.com (Steven T. Dunbar) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>I think Brian's point was that anyone can SAY they know what they are
>talking about.  Frankly, with all this crappy posting you have been doing
>to boost your ego on the network you are losing credibility real fast.
>Now, chill out... I've been ingnoring these SUPPLEMENTS! posts for the
>past few days because of all the BULLSHIT they contain.
>
>Steve

Steve, I think you might need to chill out a bit.  I don't think
Adam's posts have been "crappy", as you say, just because he used
the word "bullshit".  The fact is, most supplements and supplement
companies *ARE* full of dung.

Many people reading this group are out there searching for the
magic supplement that they think is going to make them big and
strong, and they'll spend tons of money in their search.  So, if
someone says to me: "What do you think of XYZ's Super-Duper Anabolic
Activator & Muscle Potentiator...", instead of saying: "Well,
recent research [site references], etc...", its just much easier to
say: "Its bullshit!"

Ron
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: LIQUID FASTING DIET
Date: 12 Dec 92 19:02:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: henson.1992Dec12.190201.7131
Organization: Western Washington University

chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin) writes:
>mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
>>                                         
>>               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this 
>>          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. 

>By some. Not by all. Extended fasts like the one recommended here are not
>what I'd call a path to good health.

This Mcelwre idiot has been reposting this article for what seems like
years.  He posts it on every conceviable newsgroup. He posted the
same article on talk.politics.drugs, with the addition of 

"This diet has been known to cure many drug addictions"  at the start.
I think there the article was titled "DRUG ADDICTION CURE DIET".

Jim  "GASEOUS FASTING DIET"  Del Vecchio
From: backpack@access.digex.com (Stuart Reges)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Steroid Negatives
Date: 19 Dec 1992 20:38:25 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

TordM@VanA.PhySto.SE writes:
>
> amongst the downside I can mention
...
>  * incremented anger or rage (especially in combination with alcoholics)

I have addressed this subject on this newsgroup before.  Can anyone name even
ONE reputable source to back up the claim that steroids cause increased
aggression or anger or rage?  Nobody has ever cited a study for me that
verifies this claimed side-effect of steroids.

My own source of information is a man who has been using steroids for over 30
years and has coached many athletes and others in their use.  He claims that
steroid-rage is an urban legend backed up only by sensationalist media hype
(e.g., "Johnny was a star athlete.  He was planning to attend UCLA in the fall.
But Johnny was taking steroids, and they generated so much rage in him that he
lost control.  Now he's in trouble with the police for almost killing his best
friend.").

It is very popular these days to blame negative behavior on external influences
(the steroids made me do it!).  Also, the media are very biased against drugs,
and they love to do stories about steroids supposedly causing young people to
go into fits of rage.  From my observation, young people seem to go into fits
of rage just fine without any help from steroids.

My source told me that he has observed only one person who felt he was
undergoing personality changes as the result of steroids, a young man who beat
up his girlfriend "because of the steroids."  After talking to him, my friend
was able to determine that the guy wasn't even taking steroids (he was taking
some of this fake crap people sell).  My friend wonders whether the myth of
steroid-induced rage might actually make some people more aggressive because
they EXPECT to become more aggressive.

I will hold to the belief that steroids have no observable psychological
side-effects until someone can cite for me a reputable scientific study that
indicates otherwise.

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From: olevin@random.hwr.arizona.edu (Oscar Levin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Tan for the winter
Date: 18 Dec 92 14:28:35 GMT
Reply-To: olevin@random.hwr.arizona.edu (Oscar Levin)
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ.

Hi:
    I'm memeber of a club that have several tanning beds. There
    is some kind of danger using this thing for
    tanning? (beside skin cancer). Is the tan the
    same that you will have under natural conditions?
    There is some kind of tanning lotion that I need to use
    before,during or after?. 

    I know that sounds crazy coming from this part of the US,
    but work is keeping me indoor. 

    Thanks.
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Really Strong Stuff
Date: 11 Dec 92 23:10:54 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:

>Boron is supposed to help raise
>testosterone production by up to 300%.  BULLSHIT!

Adam, is that your opinion? Or the opinion of the folks who did the research
study you studied on the issue?

Folks, I'm not arguing for or against hot stuff, or for or against Boron
here. But can we PLEASE cut out on the emotion-based opinions that are
little omre than hearsay? They're worthless. Either you've been studying the
literature (and if so, quote it), or you haven't and your opinion is
uninformed (i.e. worthless, and potentially harmful because you don't know
what you're talking about).

Take this one for example. We had a request about a specific product. Adam
answered by relating it to a second product, taking a guess at what the
ingredients of the product were (he didn't know), declaring those products
worthless (although he doesn't tell us why), and therefore trashing the
product. At least three layers of non-fact here.

There's a growing body of real, honest-to-goodness, well-controlled research
out there. There's also an amazing amount of hearsay, emotional rhetoric,
old wive's tales and pure falsehood running around through these
discussions.

If you're going to have an opinion, make it an informed one. Cite
references. They're not that hard to find. Let's deal with this stuff
rationally for once, okay?

I don't know about Boron, but I have a reference at home that discusses it.
I'll have to see what the current scientific thinking on it is.

>Chromium picolinate
>is supposed to help potentiate insulin to allow more proteins and carbs into
>muscle cells.  Well, it does but not much.

I wonder what references Adam is basing this on. It doesn't match the
research I've seen (I've already mentioned most of it in previous postings,
so I'll refrain from posting it again). I was reading a book last night that
documented studies on Chromium going back to the 50s as being useful in
blood sugar regulation. Turns out we've known about it for years and nobody
paid any attention. 

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