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From: dlupul@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Darren Lupul)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 93 19:34:10 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #2, Edmonton, AB, Canada

- >it direct from the tank has the problem that the cold gas will 
- >freeze your lungs.  Using a mask could cause you to 
- 
- This is very hypothetical. A friend of mine has sucked directly from a
- tank a zillion times with no problem. You just have to find a good touch

Under NO circumstances should you ever have reason to suck directly from
a pressure bottle. Recently, a teenager died while sucking helium due to 
pressure damage to the small cells in his lungs in Canada.


Darren Lupul              dlupul@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
From: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (John Donald Collier)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Mushrooms
Date: 4 Jan 93 05:55:45 GMT
Organization: University of Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

darinf@scarla.UUCP (Darin Fisher) writes:

>Does anyone have any advise on countering the common side effects of 
>mushrooms.  i.e. nasea, stomach cramps, coming down.

I don't know what sort of mushrooms you are eating, but I have
never had such effects, and don't know of anyone who has. I
do know of some people who suffer anxiety with mushrooms
and other psychedelics. Either don't take them, or else
take a valium :-).

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla)
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Organization: Microdata Oy, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:13:55 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.162645.1703@mtu.edu> vetter@mtu.edu (STEVEN J. VETTER) writes:
>  I don`t know about tanks, but trying to do a whippet right from the breaker
>  without a balloon will freeze your mouth and lungs almost instantly.

Oh, so this is where the tank rumors most probably have their origin...
probably the heavy valve of the tank warms the gas or the gas has
otherwise more time to warm up, because it's never a problem with a
tank. But I suppose just about anybody will rather prefer a meter sized
balloon.

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From: darinf@scarla.UUCP (Darin Fisher)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: rules for LSD
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 02:13:30 GMT
Organization: Scarla Development
Reply-To: darinf@scarla.UUCP


In article <726201680.AA00091@ship.wimsey.bc.ca> Diva@f729.n153.z1.ship.wimsey.bc.ca writes:

 > 
 > I first tried LSD almost five years ago...and I remember I was told of a few
 > simple rules to remember when your high. I admit it is possible one could get
 > so high that they could not remember these rules, but they are a good idea
 > nonetheless. Here they are:
 > 1) Cars can hurt you.
 > 2) You cannot fly.
 > 3) Its never a good time to die.
 > If those are stuck well enough in your mind, you will remember them no matter
 > how high you get....and they will keep you out of most kinds of danger on your
 > trip.
 > 
 > 
 The rules I heard were:
     1) You can not breath under water.
     2) You can not fly.
     3) YOU ARE NOT GOD

 All are good rules to keep in the forefront of your mind when 
 "Visiting Alice."

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: bagg@ellis.uchicago.edu (matthew john baggott)
Subject: Re: Cats and LSD
Reply-To: bagg@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:41:55 GMT

In article <ugukk9o@zola.esd.sgi.com> cj@sgi.com writes:
>

>One of Ronald Siegal's books, _Intoxication_, gives a counter-
>example.  

I've been meaning to say a negative word about this book for some
time.  It makes an ok read, but there are several things I don't
like about it.  For example, everytime the author says something
half-posiive about a drug, he seems compelled to add a negative anecdote 
about the suffering the drug has caused.  This wouldn't be so bad,
except that he makes NO ATTEMPT give you an idea of the incidence
of negative vs. non-negative/postive outcomes to drug use.  Also,
his main thesis is basically the same thing that Andrew Weil
argued in 1972 in _The Natural Mind_.  To me, _Intoxication_ comes
down to a bunch of anecdotes that may or may not amuse you.  I put
off buying it until I could pick up a damaged paperback for fifty
cents. 

>Monkeys kept in darkened cages without any distractions *will*
>self-administer hallucinogens.  (In the experiment I'm thinking
>of, the monkeys were taught to smoke first, then periodically
>given access to smokeable materials in the darkened cage.)  The
>book is at home, and I'm not, but I can look up the details if
>you like.

Being kept in darkened cages "without any distractions" sounds
like it could get pretty unpleasant.  Would free-ranging, socially-
exposed monkeys also smoke?

>---
>cj@eno.esd.sgi.com      C J Silverio/Brahms Gang/Berkeley CA 94720 
>"You can't legislate morality. We tried to outlaw comsumption of 
>alcoholic beverages. We found that violation of the law led to bigger 
>crimes and bred disrespect for the law."  Jimmy Carter, 1976.

     --Matt
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Morning Glory - Again
From: gallaghe@vax.sonoma.edu (Mycal)
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:42 PST  
Distribution: world
Organization: Sonoma State University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    

In article <1993Jan6.020236.5903@fuug.fi>, an3886@anon.penet.fi (Toker) writes...
>I have inquired and found out that 1kg of MG seeds would cost about 400-700 IS 
>(Israeli Shekels, or around $150-300), varying depending on species and so on.
>I would like to know if this sounds like a good deal (ill settle for ok deal).
>
Why bother the redwood city seed company sells heavenly blue's for $45 a pound.
they are at p.o. Box 361 Redwood City CA 94064 U.S.A

mycal


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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: mjharris@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Harris)
Subject: Re: LAUGHING GAS
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:38:16 GMT

tovey@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Gadget) writes:

>jjj@mits.mdata.fi (Joni Jarvenkyla) writes:

>What do you mean 'tank'? Do you mean a large (3') bottle, or the tank on
>a soda syphon? I've only ever done nitrous through a syphon, but have done
>that many times. I've altered a soda syphon (pulled out the guts, so you
>can clean it out) to suit, and buying the bulbs from a supermarket is no
>problem. To me, sucking the gas out of a can of cream sounds pretty messy!
>Also, with practice, you get so you can take a bulb pretty easily with 
>one breath, and subtlety with the valve becomes unneccesary.

OK for un non-Aussie types what is a soda syphon and what is a bulb?

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From: f1sami@uta.fi (Samu Mielonen)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: phone# for Interlab?
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:19:01 GMT
Distribution: inet
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In <1992Dec31.183805.25423@news.media.mit.edu> brent@media.mit.edu (Brent C.J. Britton) writes:

->Anyone know how to order from Interlab (London) by phone?
->-brent

Well, I tried the international telephone number service and they didn't have
the phone number for Interlab. It might be that they (Interlab) don't want to 
pass it around because I haven't come across it anywhere else either. Or maybe 
they just don't have one...

Still, what I think is more important is that they might not be 'operational'
at the moment (i.e. out of business or not catering to people from US for
know reasons). It would be better to try out the following sources (kindly
posted to alt.psychoactives by Ernie Jenkins):

Qwilleran
P.O. Box 1211
Birmingham, B18 6NW
England
 
World Health Services
P.O. Box 20
CH-2822 Courroux
Switzerland
 
B. Mougios & Co. O.E.
Pittakou 23 T.K.
54645, Thessaloniki
Greece

I hope that was of some help. Happy hunting!

Cheers, 
sZm
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From: bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Kid on 48 Hours
Date: 9 Jan 93 02:24:59 GMT
Organization: Ohio University School of Art. Athens

In article <1993Jan8.192600.22472@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rbb3w@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Robert B. Bohn) writes:
>
>About that kid on 48 Hours who unfortunately mailed the LSD to his *friend*,
>I'm assuming that the guy was out-of-state. So that being the case, would his 
>punishment be necessarily different had he mailed it to somebody that lived
>in the same state? I know that once you cross state lines, the Feds start
>to get in the action.

If he mailed it through the U.S. MAIL it's a federal case either way.
Xref: sparky alt.drugs:20693 alt.magick:6697 alt.pagan:15110 talk.abortion:54640
From: thig@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Terence P Higgins)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.magick,alt.pagan,talk.abortion
Subject: re:looking for information on abortifacents
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:10:27 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4
Originator: thig@csd4.csd.uwm.edu

Not a flame or a joke, but a very serious boservation. Regardless of how
tragic Mr. Cannon's situation may be, I think it would be the height of
irresponsibility to provide such information with no verification that he's
actually telling the truth. If he is, I feel for him, but there must be
safer ways of getting that info. If not, then I surely wouldn't want to be
the person who gave him the info. One man's opinion, take it for what it's
worth...
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: cblanc@pomona.claremont.edu (Bucko Gizm)
Subject: ev'ry bird that cuts the airy way...
Organization: Dead Animal Pickup
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:24:12 PST

> Dr. James Wetcher of Wetcher clinic fame. Believe me is a fuck up. He saw
> me for 15 minutes and had already figured out from one IQ test and one
> Rorshosch (ink blot) all kinds of clinical bullshit. He decided I had
> eleveted IQ which I used to charm people and con them. Everybody who knows
> me alughs there head off at this. I tried to get a copy of his diagnosis
> but he wouldn't give it out. Knows enough to protect himself I guess.

	Yep, fuckup city...there's a lot of them, which most people find out
the hard way.  Usually they either try to convert you to another religion (!)
or try something like what you describe above.
> 
> I think mostly shrooms - food of the Gods. Could be wrong though.

	That's pretty hip.  I did not know shrooms were around then; all those
other writers missed out...
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Why Marines like LSD...
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:12:04 GMT

malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:

>Anyway, the military is enough of a brainwash to begin with, taking young 
>maleable minds and instilling a bunch of crap and conformity instead of
>letting them experience the world from the more open perspectives one
>can gain from a college experience or a few years of "Real-Life" (TM)

	You sound a little behind the times: we have a volunteer military
these days.  Nobody is forced to miss the world by going into the military,
they go in because to them it is better than their other options.  Not
too many had a real struggle choosing the military instead of college.

>in the so-called real world. Maybe dropping some acid will open up some
>doors and ideas for some of the military folks and even cause some to 
>re-evaluate what they're doing and change their paths. But the idea of

	And maybe for others it will serve to reinforce their confidence
that they made the right career choice.

Jim Del Vecchio
From: RR04@bunny.gte.com (Rob Robertson)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: drug dogs
Date: 12 Jan 93 14:00:20 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories


In article <1993Jan10.063227.6332@netcom.com> rollins@netcom.com (Peter D. 
Nesbitt) writes:

> Wouldn't it be great if you could get an extract or essence of
> "Female-Dog-In-Heat"!  Just spray that stuff all over the place
> where drug dogs might be sniffing around!  Watch 'em go crazy.
> 
> Course, you wouldn't want to spray that stuff in your home or
> in your locker...

...or carry it around in your pants pocket...
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:15:04 -0500 
From: Michel Fougeres <mf0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Abortion Issue

Sorry for the profanity, but why don't you get this fucking shit off netnews.
alt.drugs?  I don't give a fuck about what the hell you think about abortion,
and when I read stupid ass shit like 'abortion frequently has complications'
which has absolutely no scientifical substantiation, I get sick; its like
trading back and forth stupid babble and myths about drugs just to get people
on your side.  Learn how to put your point across, instead of loading it with
myths which only cause problems.  Get this damn issue off this board, and go
shove it over to some other board which pertains to it.  I think that the
original posting was valid as it had some questions pertaining to abortion
drugs, but when we start debating whether abortion should be legal or not and
spouting words of propaganda, I will leave this group.  I am most likely right
when I say that I'm certain some people agree with me.
Ian (ya, i'm pro-abortion and damn proud too!  if you don't like it, go fuck
     yourself and wake up to 1993 and real life!  Parochial attitudes about
     abstinence are unreal.)

[Yes, this is the only flame I'll probably ever post.  Don't mail me flames
as I'll never get them, for this is my friend's account.]
From: bigstar@hardy.u.washington.edu (Ed Meese)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: drug dog
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:42:16 GMT
Organization: University of Washington
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

mjr@TIS.COM (Marcus J. Ranum) writes:

>wayne@mathematik.uni-Bremen.de (Wayne Tvedt) writes:
>>  But be careful -- the dogs are trained to sniff out not the acid itself,
>>but the strychnine.  So, if you want to set up some "false positives"
>>around your school or workplace, try smearing some strychnine on napkins, 
>>thermoses, telephone receivers, etc, you know, the types of places where
>>people hide LSD.  You will of course need some DMSO to make the strychnine
>>bond to smooth surfaces.

Uh Oh!  Here we go again...PLEASE! Take this strychnine business over to
alt.folklore.urban where it belongs.
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From: anarch@Apple.COM (The Anarch)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: looking for Timothy Leary
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:19:49 GMT
Organization: Secular Humanists from Hell

In article <alexa-110193085011@147.202.16.3> alexa@county.lmt.mn.org (Alex Alexander) writes:
>In article <93007.001207IO92404@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, IO92404@MAINE.MAINE.EDU
>(Jason Chase) wrote:
>> A friend of mine has is doing research on a VR project and would like to
>> get in contact with Dr. Leary.  Any info regarding his email address
>> or location would be appreciated.
>
>He's on CompuServe. Use the FIND feature in the user list. I found him once
>about a year ago.

     He was also at the Ministry show in LA about two weeks ago.  No kidding.
It *may* be possible to reach him in LA through the Screen Actors' Guild.
Again, no kidding.  He was going to be in a film a friend of mine is working
on, and I think they arranged this through the Guild.  He changed his mind,
unfortunately.

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: rogalsky@fraser.sfu.ca (Matthew Rogalsky)
Subject: Re: You idiots (Was Bong water etc)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:59:30 GMT

I always thought MJ had a mellowing effect on all people.
Now I know better.
cha cha cha
mrr
From: pck@acsu.buffalo.edu (Philip C. Kilinskas)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Drug dog
Date: 7 Jan 93 15:58:20 GMT
Organization: UB

epasls@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>In article <RODNEY.93Jan6141824@cabot.balltown.cma.com>, rodney@cabot.balltown.cma.com (Rodney Peck) writes:
>> In article <1ie47iINNd29@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bx461@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Leo J. Mauler) writes:
>> I think you miss the point.  It's not so much that people are now
>> inconvenienced by not being able to keep drugs in their lockers, but
>> their civil rights are being violated by an illegal search.  Odds are,
>> there are at least a few students in the school who have nothing to do
>> with any sorts of illegal drugs.  The police, the school, and the dog
>> have no right to bother these students.

>There's no description for the retarded hilariousity I had when I read that.
>In my mind that can be paraphrased "Drivers who obey the speed limit should
>not have to be bothered by the extra traffic of all those police cars"
>give me a break.

It's hard to believe you see no difference between having a police officer 
driving on the same road as you, and having a police officer rooting through
your personal belongings, with no probable cause.  Perhaps I should take your
use of the word "retarded" more literally.

Phil
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stated above are yours.  You cannot imagine why you ever felt otherwise.
From: ron@cs.tamu.edu (Ron J Theriault)
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: 60's tolerance
Date: 9 Jan 1993 16:11:20 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Texas A&M University
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan6.4616.23628@dosgate>, "derek finlay" <derek.finlay@canrem.com> writes:
|> ... The last cycle
|> started at the turn of the century when cocain and heroin could be
|> bought at your local apothecary shop along with a hypo if you did it
|> that way... then it became illegal then and frowned upon. The sixites
|> rolled on and tollerance was high again, alot of people wanted to and
|> did try it. Now tolerance is very low... 

   Where do people get this idea that psychoactive drug use was 
tolerated in the 60's?  MJ has been illegal since the 30's,
and in the early 60's, very few people *knew* about LSD.
(Of course there was no net news either.)  Narc paranioa,
and egregeous sentencing were invented in the 60's.
 

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From: anon.193@pax.tpa.com.au
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: LSD and MDMA - Where are they found?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 08:06:27 +1030
Organization: PAX - Public Access Unix (Adelaide,South Australia) - Anonymous Service
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Where does one get things like LSD and MDMA? I'm not asking for
specifics (duh), just what kind of places it is likely to be
obtainable? How would you go about it? What if you knew hardly anyone
in town? (Assume there are no Dead shows around :). Keep the flamage
down, please. I'm genuinely curious.

...Stardust

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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: "amy lynn young-leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Looking for info on abortifacents
Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:02:21 -0500

In article <aww3wB2w164w@tweekco.uucp> alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard) writes:
>Abortion is still legal in the USA, and is probably available at
>local student health centers (posted from Purdue) and women's
>health centers (available by referral, probably) ... you should
>check your options before subjecting your wife to an EXTREMELY
>dangerous procedure when performed by amateurs... you sound bent
>on risking her life. Unnecessarily. Unless you can come up with
>some VERY good reasons why your wife can't get a safe, legal
>abortion, I doubt that anyone on this newsgroup is irresponsible
>enough to give you the information in the form you requested.
>A.Lizard

Deciding what information is "safe" for the ignorant masses to have
free access to, eh? 

Ever thought that perhaps a legal abortion isn't a POSSABILITY for
this situation?  Perhaps they don't have the money... perhaps the
hoops you must jump through in their state are too difficult.  Perhaps
she is past the 12 week mark and the state only allows abortions for
certain reasons after that point, or another point.  

Can't someone just answer the damn question?  

amy
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Newsgroups: alt.drugs
From: andys@Ingres.COM (Andrew Sherman)
Subject: eye wiggle problems
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:26:07 GMT


I have a request for a friend (no, really).

Patch writes:
> In the last four months of 1992 I took one high dose and 3 moderate
> dose E trips, the last one 2 months ago.  Has anyone else experienced a
> lingering occasional "eye shift" or "eye wiggle"?  It's like a split
> second involuntary shift of eye focus to one side.  It bugs me and I'm
> interested in other's experience.  I notice it most reading and
> writing.

If you could send replies c/o me, Patch would appreciate it.

Thanks

-Andrew



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