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From: poo@athena.mit.edu (Claude Poux)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Siezing up through stress
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:08:17 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <3853@keele.keele.ac.uk> cla02@seq1.keele.ac.uk (R. Wallace) writes:
>I ended completely wound up. Now, in itself, that was no
>problem, because one of the reasons I excercise is to work off stress.
>This time, however, I was so stressed that none of the muscle-groups I
>was working would respond at all! I couldn't even get through my regular
>warm-up! The muscles were stiff and unresponsive, they just wouldn't
>work.
>
>So I went off and drank a several beers instead (which actually worked
>quite well).
>
>Now, this was very annoying, because I could have done with a good
>work-out that day, and it would have done me good. So - has anyone else
>had this experience? What can I do about it if it happens again?
>
>
>Richard Wallace.

richard, 

pride goeth before the fall, yes?  there ain't a thing wrong with a nice
stiff double martini every once in a while when one is overwhelmed with
stress. (especially after a competition...).  
a nice long walk is much better when one is completely
stressed out than trying to work out.  you're setting yourself up for
serious injury by forcing your body to work when everything is so stiff.
working out requires much concentration, and when you are bent out of
shape, it isn't worth the risk.  just let the workout go, hell.  if you
miss one plane,  just catch the next one, chap!

and on that note, i'm going on vacation!  :)

poo

p.s., our colleague, sir arthur henry baker, manages to maintain a 
very high mass density in spite of a stressful approach to life in 
general.  perhaps our sage-in-residence will offer a few words of 
wisdom on this topic.  :)
From: rodgers@brandonu.ca
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Wanted: Pumping Iron II
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:25:17 GMT
Organization: Brandon University, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada


I just watched "Pumping Iron" on A & E this past weekend (for the upteenth
time) and it restored my desire to see "Pumping Iron II".  Does anyone out
there know where I can obtain a copy (preferably through a Canadian outlet)?
Or, does anyone have a copy of it and able to make me a copy (I will gladly
pay a reasonable amount for the tape and mailing charges).

I am really anxious to see this film.  It will give me that little push
to train harder that I need once in a while.

Thanks !!!!

Val 
Rodgers@BrandonU.Ca
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From: aa595@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dan Duvall)
Subject: Re: suggested books/exercises for ab work?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 12:36:25 GMT


ak536@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (B. Wanchisen) writes:

>These suggestions are too kinky for duvall.  Trust me.

Oh yeah??? Yeah?????  <puts up dukes>

<ponders>  Ya know, you're probably right.  <drops dukes>

So, er... any OTHER suggestions for ab work?  :)

<whispers to all those kind readers who sent e-mail>  I've
ordered Legendary Abs, but don't tell Wanchisen... if she
learns I've got it, she'll allthetime wanna borrow it.

-- 
aa595@cleveland.freenet.edu  *  Dan Dooovall  *  Zone Czar
From: loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: Crystalline aminos vs peptide aminos
Date: 20 Aug 92 12:54:11 GMT
Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University

In article <1992Aug20.000426.18506@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1992Aug19.131833.307@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu> loszewski_im@sage.hnrc.tufts.edu writes:
>>>>I'm wondering how other bodybuilders out there feel about pure crystalline
>>>>aminos vs. peptide bonded aminos.
>>> Well, "peptide-bonded" aminos generally taste better, because that's
>>> what hamburger, eggs, cheese, milk, tofu, etc. all are.
>>
>>-Thankyou for the valuable info.  My body needs none of the above.
> 
> Living a "protein-free lifestyle", eh?  Well, it's only for the select
> and special, I guess.

What I meant was that all of the above are also accompanied with a high percent
of fat, which right now my "select and special" body does not need.  However, 
egg whites are fat free, I will grant you that.
> 
> P.S.: Don't all those Joe Weider amino acid capsules get a little boring
> after a while?

>Actually, they are quite good.  I like to season them with a little cinnamon
and maybe some nutmeg and then bake them at about 500 for one hour.  After this
I put them through a food processor (sp?) and grind them up really fine.  Fine
enough so that I can snort the powder and not get any chuncks stuck in my 
nostril hairs.  BTW Joe Weider and his products suck and I don't use them.  
Sorry.  Also...before I start getting stupid email.  This is not true, and I 
don't go through this little ritual either.  Just thought I'd bring a little 
humor to my original post seeing as where I haven't received a serious reply
yet.

Roid rage, ephedrine HCL overdose, or amino acid intoxication...duuuu. you be 
the judge!
-Rob 
> -- 
> Steve Dyer
> dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: kamal@specialix.co.uk (Kamal Mortoza)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: fitness classes in w london?
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:29:02 GMT
Organization: Specialix International, London

jll@doc.ic.ac.uk (Janice ) writes:



>Does anybody know of any *good* fitness classes in the West London area?
>I live close to Olympia in W14 and the only class I have found so far in
>the Masbro centre is very low impact geared towards mums and grannys! I
>need something just a bit more advanced.  Help!

>Eagerly awaiting a reply.
>Janice.

Hi!
	Have you tried the "Pineapple dance studios". They used to have
branches around London and did have all sorts of the various forms of
fitness classes. I think their main centre was in Covent gardens. Alot of
local health centres also provide various levels of fitness classes. Here
in Woking, the local centre (run by the council) has atleast 5 different 
levels as well as "super-cuircuit" (Mixture of circuit training & aerobics).
I'd give the local health centre a call first.

Good luck
Kamal

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From: paul@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Paul Fidler)
Subject: Re: Steriods in Sports
Keywords: Compromise
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 19:10:50 GMT

In article <78101@ut-emx.uucp> shoroff@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bart Simpson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug18.212502.12326@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM> paul@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Paul Fidler) writes:
> >(kind of) to weight divisions, etc. There could be a Totally Drug-Free divi-
> >sion, with restrictions similar to ones currently in place, a Stimulants-
> >Only division, allowing caffiene, ephedrine, etc., and an "Anything Goes"
> >division allowing anabolic's, HGH, whatever....                 
> 
> And sit and hope that all the 'clean' divisions will have no drug-users, 

  But that's all they're doing now, across the board.  At least with divisions 
there would be a legitimate place for "non-natural" competitors, and I think
most athletes would welcome the chance to "come out of the closet", use what
they want to use, and compete in the respective category.


>The crux of the problem is the availability of foolproof testing methods, 
 
Hmmmm......I might argue that the crux of the problem is differing philosophies
on whether or not it is "cheating" or somehow unethical to enhance one's
natural ability with manmade chemicals.  That is, even if you had absolutely
fool-proof testing, this would still be an issue. There would be many who
would want to see just how far/fast/whatever they could go if they were 
boosted by this or that substance.  So make a special category for them and
let them go at it. 
 
Those that don't want to use drugs, for health/philosophical/whatever reasons
can compete in the "natural" division with as much confidence that none are
cheating as the tests allow for, kind of like now. 


Either way, here's hoping that the tests get better.....


...................................... Paul Fidler .................
"Please consult your physician         NCR Corporation, Columbia, SC
 before exercising with Lee Haney"     paul@clodII.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Person in flux)
Subject: Re: Fitness Thoughts
Reply-To: kls4344@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:19:05 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.080344.28886@edwards-vax.af.mil>, 
becker@edwards-vax.af.mil writes:

>You do realize that for burning FAT you must find your target heart
>rate and keep it at that rate for 20 minutes before your body begins
>to burn fat?  THat is why it is good to do a 40 minute aerobic workout
>twice a day....gives you the best results.

Whoa, *TWICE* a day?  Let's put this aerobic exercise requirement in
perspective.  You are correct in your assertation that the heartrate must be
elevated and maintained at that elevation for 20 minutes for maximum
cardiological benefit.  The heartrate elevation varies from person to person
depending on condition, age, etc.  

I question your recommendation that people do aerobic workouts of 40 minute
duration twice a day.  I think this recommendation is reasonable for anyone *in
training* for something, but not for the average person interested in becoming
or staying fit.  I find that my own *once a day* 30-40 minute workouts suffice
to keep my fitness and metabolic levels stable, and I don't have the time or
interest to do more than that.  I also don't want to mislead any beginning
fitness enthusiasts to be discouraged by such a demanding recommendation (40
mins 2x daily); 20 minutes once a day of strenuous exercise is good for most
people.

Katie
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: I WAS ON ABC W/ADAM FOR TWO MIN
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:31:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.045058.6873@athena.mit.edu> aleck@athena.mit.edu (Aleck H Alexopoulos) writes:
>As a neutral observor to the unofficial Boston armwrestling and ego 
>championships (which Adam won) i must note that at no time did Adam 
>inform us of the official armwrestling rules. 
>
>A hidden camera took a video of Adam using highly suspect technique against his
>worthy opponent Ron Cecchini. The tape will be forwarded to the 
>maryland Armwrestling Association and their punishment will be 
>severe: They'll take away Adams Arwrestling T-shirt! 
>
>Aleck


Good God.  The closest thing we have to an idol being trashed
and embarrassed in public. 

First Woody Allen, and now this.

I'm about disillusioned enough to take down all the posters.

And to burn the ABC videotape.

GM("You can't go home again")S
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: brian@tyr.scs.uiuc.edu (Brian Eugene Ackerson)
Subject: Re: Aerobics and Bodybuilding
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 05:20:26 GMT

clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
>I'm adding regular aerobic workouts to my bodybuilding.  Currently
>I'm 26, weigh ~240, and have a rest pulse of ~54.  I've just started
>doing a recumbent bike for about 30 minute sessions, keeping
>my pulse at around 155, three times a week.  Also, after lifting
>I've been doing the same for 20 minutes, in addition to a very
>easy (pulse 120-130) 10 minutes before lifting to get the blood
>flowing.

>Is this a productive approach?  Should I drop the aerobics after
>lifting?  Are the times okay?  Since I'm new to steady-pulse aerobics
>(I've done martial arts and biking-around-town in the past) I really
>have no idea what I'm doing.

     I would keep the aerobic sessions to 3-5 per week and skip the
aerobics after lifting.  You need to take in carbohydrates about 30 min
after lifting, and if you're on a bike you might be just pedaling away the
mass.

>I'll also be getting a treadmill shortly.  What's the best way
>to use the bike and the treadmill together?

     Why the treadmill?  Why not run outdoors?  If the weather is nasty,
then use the bike.  Also, I can't imagine you using the treadmill on any
setting except completely flat.  At 240, you're going to thrash the
treadmill if it's on an incline.

					Brian Ackerson
					brian@odin.scs.uiuc.edu
From: mvm@caesun6.harris-atd.com (Matt Mahoney)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: 'Roids
Keywords: Hemmor and stare
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:49:08 GMT
Reply-To: mvm@epg.harris.com (Matt Mahoney)
Organization: CAE Design Center, Harris Corp., Melbourne, Fl.

In article <14837@umd5.umd.edu> silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver) writes:
>In article <1992Aug4.235847.17052@Cadence.COM> bruceg@Cadence.COM (Bruce Gustifson) writes:
>>
>> What is the difference between these 2 kinds of roids; hemmors and
>>stares, and do hemmors come in anobolic form?
>
>I don't know these terms.  I hope someone can explain.

There are actually several types.  Don't forget asters, ands, thys,
spheres, polars, and so on.

--------------------------------        _\/_
Matt Mahoney, mvm@epg.harris.com       |(TV)|  Drug of the Nation
#include <disclaimer.h>                |____|
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: goodguy@next03pg2.wam.umd.edu (Shen Kai Lew)
Subject: Re: Running Question 
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 16:39:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.165624.26447@linus.mitre.org>  
berdia@gateway.mitre.org (Sanjay Berdia) writes:
> 
> I was wondering which of the following is a better workout and causes
> less wear-and-tear on your joints:
> 
> 1) Running smaller distances but at a harder pace
> 2) Running medium distances at a medium pace but sprinting for the last
>    .2 mile
> 3) Running longer distances at a slower pace
> 
> Currently, I do (2) for a distance of about 3 miles. 
> 
> - Sanjay

None of the above. Depends on what your body tells you. My program is the  
hard/easy system. Monday - hard, Tuesday- easy, Wednesday- hard, etc... I  
cover approx. 10-15 miles per week. However, if you really want a definite  
answer, sprinting causes the most injury, esp. if not properly warm-up,  
weak bones due to osteoporosis, or lack of calcium intake, or other foot  
problems. 
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller)
Subject: Re: More on aminos
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Tucson Az.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:49:52 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.132546.6484@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> vxv4@po.CWRU.Edu (Virgilio Velasco) writes:
>
>In a previous article, lmiller@heineken.tuc.nrao.edu (Luther Miller) says:
>
>>I've been concerned about this too. All that I know onthe subject, is that
>>eating certain foods together you get a "complete protein". Like eating
>>beans with rice for example.
>>But I've always wondered, how much rice do you eat with a given amount of
>>beans? 
>
>	Rule of thumb: equal portions of beans and rice/corn.	

Rule of thumb?.. But... but.. I don't want to just have big thumbs.. I want
bigger muscles everywhere! Bigger pecs, bigger arms, and even (to Adam's
dismay!) bigger legs!
What proportions should I eat the food in order to accomplish this??

[Answer: big proportions.  Boy this thread has some real potentional now..:-]

>-- 
>Virgilio "Dean" Velasco Jr., grad student & roboticist-in-training, CWRU

Luther
From: clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Favorite Foods
Date: 20 Aug 92 02:24:09 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


What type of healthy food do you really like?  I'm very fond of
yogurt; my one-day record is over 100 ounces (really!).  I
also like low-fat cottage cheese, and I regularly eat 24 ounces
of it at one sitting.  I've been known to eat lots of rice, also.
-- 
Chris Long, 265 Old York Rd., Bridgewater, NJ  08807-2618

"In a study of schoolboys, an educator discovered a correlation between size
 of feet and quality of handwriting.  The boys with the larger feet were,
 on the average, older."        Wallis & Roberts, _The Nature of Statistics_
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: robert@voltaire.et.tudelft.nl (Robert J. Portier)
Subject: Proteine supplements: which brand, kind?
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:05:20 GMT

Some background info: 

After having enough of a sedentary life style I've
started lifting weights in May and increased aerobic activity (cycling,
swimming, dancing, others :-). My objective was to loose fat and gain
muscle. I've been focussing on loosing fat while excercising. This has
been quite successful; I've lost almost 8 Kg, while increasing in
strength. I feel good. Now I want to start building muscle-mass, but my
low fat diet does not supply me with sufficient proteins (according to
tables and some calculations). So, I am considering of taking
proteine-supplements. However, there are so many different kinds and
brands that I'm lost.

Now the question:

Which brand and kind do I take? Someone gave me a folder advertising
"twin-lab" products. I suspect they are an USA company and would like to
have some info on them and their products.  (Although I do not live in
the USA, most protein-supplement products available here in the
Netherlands are from there).

Actually, if someone can give me some clues on what product aspects to
pay attention to or on which to consider and which to avoid, I would
very much appreciate it.

If this is a FAQ and there is a FAQ-list, I would appreciate it if someone
could mail it to me.


Robert.

P.S. I want to thank those who have replied to my question on lactic-
acid buildup in the fore-arms (it was really for a friend of mine and
not me :-)
From: ssouth@hpldsla.sid.hp.com (Steve South)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:32:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Sex testing (was Re: Drug use at the olympics)
Organization: HP Scientific Instruments Division - Palo Alto, CA
Newsgroups: misc.fitness

brian@njord.scs.uiuc.edu (Brian Eugene Ackerson) writes:

>     When I heard the statement that Princess Anne was not given a sex
>test, no reason was given.  I inferred that it may be because it would be
>humiliating for a member of royalty to subjected to such a test.

.. but no more humiliating than for any other person. I think it had more to 
do with protocol. It's not 'the done thing' kind of idea. Anyway, since the
princess had been in the public eye since she was born, and since she was
(as far as I can remember) already a mother, I guess there was probably very
little point.

Steve S.
From: silver@macbeth.umd.edu (Adam Silver)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Re: The performance tables
Date: 12 Aug 92 22:22:07 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland

In article <Aug.11.14.34.44.1992.14370@remus.rutgers.edu> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:

>How accurate are the poundages?  I find it hard to believe that I'm
>in the upper one-tenth of one percent among college age men.  Also,
>I note that while Adam Silver is in the upper one-tench of one percent
>in the bench press, he's in the bottom one-tenth of one percent on
>the squat.

I don't know if you're joking or not, but I'm getting pissed now.  Chris, my
bodyweight with just underwear on is 158 pounds (on a highly accurate and
expensive electronic scale that is extremely well calibrated).

I'm benching 315 for 2 perfect reps on my 4th set.  I'll estimate my one-rep
maximum (with no pre-exhausting sets) to be about 330.  This is a pretty safe
guess.

I'm also squatting 225x5 on my 3rd set.  I realize that this is poor, but
remember, I have never consistently worked legs in my life.  I was never
involved in sports, and I've never gone running before.

Lets look at the figures to see how accurate your statement is:

Body Weight between 150 lbs. and 159 lbs.
     SU      BC      UR      MP      BP      SQ      BR     %ile
     75     122.5   135     175     195     290     210    100
     72.5   120     132.5   170     190     285     202.5   99.9
     70     117.5   130     165     185     275     195     99.8
     65     115     127.5   160     180     265     185     99.4
     62.5   112.5   125     155     175     255     180     98.4
     60     110     122.5   150     170     245     172.5   96.2
     57.5   107.5   120     145     165     235     165     90.3
     55     105     117.5   140     160     225     155     84.2

Even if I could only squat 225 for 1 rep, I would be in the 84.2 percentile.
I didn't see any smiley face, so I didn't think it was a joke and had to
defend myself.

By the way, I can barbell curl 115x6 (straight bar), I can upright row 115x10.
I can military press 175 for about 4 reps.  I can barbell row 205 for about
5 reps.  I don't know how many sit-ups I can do in a minute, but I think it's
safe to say I'm in the 100 percentile for 5 out of 7 and maybe 6 out of 7
if I can do the 290 squat.

							-Adam

-- 
     **********************************************************************
     *               Adam Silver    Powerlifter/Armwrestler               *
     *           silver@umd5.umd.edu    University of Maryland            *
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From: sfjr@wam.umd.edu (Steve Russell)
Subject: Re: Gyro's
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 19:47:38 GMT

There are many excellent food counters on the market.  Having been a health
nut for many years and read many of them I would tell you not to make gyros
a staple in your diet.  IT IS VERY FATTY :)  Most meats are, even white ones.
  Lunch meats and delicacy things like gyros are at the top of the FAT chain.
Good Luck!
Steve


Newsgroups: misc.fitness
From: SHOWELL3@ua1vm.ua.edu
Subject: HEART RATE, ETC.
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:49:09 GMT

I have been reading this group on and off for about six months now.  I have
 found a lot of helpful information.  I wonder if anyone would be willing to
 give me some information and advice.  I am a 24 year old female in graduate
 school (i.e. I have very little time for workout routines) and am trying my
 best not to turn into a wad of flab before I graduate ( I have about 3 more
 years).  As of right now, I am not over weight.  I hover around 109 and am
 5 feet 6.  This is, however, about 3 pounds heavier than I was a year ago.
 My husband and I used to play raquetball on a regular basis, but this is not
 working out anymore.  He is a graduate student as well and our schedules don't
mesh.  I really like to walk and am wondering how to calculate my target heart
 rate so I can make this my weekly aerobic workout.  My resting pulse is 68.
 Also, we have a weight set.  I hate the sight of them at the end of a long day
 but would be willing to get up a little earlier in the morning for a light
 routine.  Is this adviseable?  I generally don't do much, about 4 sets of 12
 on dead lifts at about 25-30 pounds, 4 sets of 10 bench press at about 20
 and 4 sets of 15 toe raises at about 25-30.  Would such a routine even be
 worth getting up earlier?  I'm not looking for bulk, just toning my legs and
 arms.  Also, does anyone know a good toning exercise for the backs of the
thighs.  My family is prone to "cottage cheese" thighs.  I would like to
 postpone this sad outcome as long as possible.
 
 Any advice or help is greatly appreciated.
Thanx.
 
Sandra
From: berdia@gateway.mitre.org (Sanjay Berdia)
Newsgroups: misc.fitness
Subject: Running Question
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:56:24 GMT
Reply-To: berdia@gateway.mitre.org
Followup-To: misc.fitness
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA


I was wondering which of the following is a better workout and causes
less wear-and-tear on your joints:

1) Running smaller distances but at a harder pace
2) Running medium distances at a medium pace but sprinting for the last
   .2 mile
3) Running longer distances at a slower pace

Currently, I do (2) for a distance of about 3 miles. 

- Sanjay