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From: mckeeveb@monashee.sfu.ca (Gumby - The unknown user)
Subject: Re: ZyXEL voice and flow control
Keywords: ZyXEL voice flow control
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 22:41:55 GMT

rkimball@athena.qualcomm.com (Robert Kimball) writes:

>I have a document that I ftp'd which is titles "Support Commands for voice
>mode operation".  Is that the document you are refering to?  I looked
>through it and the only reference to XON/XOFF is that it say to terminate
>the RX data command send any character other than XON/XOFF.  I guess this
>could be a vague way of saying that hardware handshaking does not work.

>So, if I have to use XON/XOFF how do I send binary data in voice mode?
>Does the modem ignore XON/XOFF while receiving voice data from the host?

>If you have a different document than the one I have could you mail me
>a copy?

If I'm right, the document you want is the one describing ZyXEL's Bisync
protocol... I don't have it handy, but I'll dig it up if you like.

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: fenner@postscript.cs.psu.edu (Bill Fenner)
Subject: Re: My experience w/ my new ZyXel 1496E
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 20:51:05 GMT

In article <X9gewB4w165w@zswamp.UUCP> geoff@zswamp.UUCP (Geoffrey Welsh) writes:
|   Oh, my ZyXEL connected at 16800 bps, too... and usually, within minutes, 
|had retrained itself down to 14400 or even 12000.

Yes, I get CONNECT 16800 an awful lot with ZyXEL's BBS, and then a ton of
retrains, and fallback to 14400.

However, on local calls, I've had little trouble staying at 16800 bps.

  Bill
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: paul@tct.com (Paul Levin)
Subject: ZyXel and Bitfax, help
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:00:25 GMT

I used to have a Zoom 24/96, with which I used Bitfax.  They worked great
together.  I've sold the Zoom and now have the ZyXel 1496E.  Bitfax and it
are not very happy together.

Has anyone gotten these two to work together well ?
... under DOS, and maybe also in a VDM under OS/2 ?
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From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Have I been hosed?
Date: 21 Dec 92 17:51:00 GMT
Organization: RAND

In article <724610315snx@sound.demon.co.uk> rob@sound.demon.co.uk writes:

>>> I recently spent $40 for a serial upgrade chip (yes, I know I was over-
>>> priced, and I made a point of mentioning this to the retailer.  He made
>>> it quite clear that he could care less -- oh well, I'll never shop at
>>> Altair again).  I specifically asked for the 16550AFN chip (3 times), I 
>>> was given the 16550AN chip.

>>   The 'AF' part is just a newer model.  The 'A' model will accomplish the 
>>same thing for you.  Of course, if the chip isn't manufactured by National 
>>Semiconductor, you could have a less than functional clone chip.

>My understanding is that the 'F' stands for 'Fix' as in 'bugFix' !!!

No, the "F" stands for "Fast."  The "A" suffix indicates that the chip
is the updated (bug fixed) version of the 16550.  The "N" is the package
type (plastic DIP).  So the 16550AN has the FIFO bug fixed, but isn't
able to run at quite as high a clock rate as the 16550AFN.  But it will
do just fine at 38.4Kb/s--the "F" part wouldn't have any advantage at all
at that speed.

So the original poster did OK (although he was gouged on the price).

		-Ed Hall
		edhall@rand.org
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: bash@tware.com (Paul Bash)
Subject: Re: Worldblazer/T-3000 question
Organization: Techware Design, Boulder, Colorado
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1992 00:10:20 GMT

In article <1hd8vhINNjtf@pebbles.cs.widener.edu> tener@cs.widener.edu (Stuart Tener) writes:
>In article <BzrtGK.D06@gator.use.com> larry@gator.use.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>>tener@cs.widener.edu (Stuart Tener) writes:
>>
>>>eproms? Or are there any hardware differences. I was going to have my
>>>customers buy T-3000s for now, and then upgrade them (via eprom) to
>>>V.FAST when it comes out.
>>
>>Has Telebit made the announcement of the T3000/Worldblazer being
>>upgradable to v.fast?  I don't remember seeing this anywhere, but
>>I would welcome it since I own several Worldblazers..
>
>Mr Snyder:
>
>	I see you posting messages all over the net about many different
>	topics. Do you know the answer to my question? Which is:
>	Are T3000's and Worldblazer's the same modem except for eproms?
>
>	Next time you get boared (sp?), instead of sending someone an
>	answer which has no relavance to the question, you should call
>	telebit. They have stated to me that as far as they know, there
>	will be an upgrade. I thought (stupid me), that this was implied
>	in my original message. Apparently you did not read it fully or
>	comprehend it fully.
>

Hey Stuart, lighten up! These are discussion groups, not let's-all-
answer-Stuart's-question groups. In a day or two, we'll all be talking
about Worldblazer upgrades to V.fast under this thread and will have 
totally forgotten (ignored?) your original question. 

I also was more interested in your implication that the Worldblazer was 
upgradeable to V.fast. I've heard _nothing_ about that anywhere else, 
although I've assumed that they would have designed that in since 
it supports the 115K DTE speed. Anyone else know anything about this
supposed upgrade? 

By the way, if you had been keeping your head up out of the sand for
the last year, you would know that Telebit upgraded newer T3000s to
Worldblazers with an EPROM swap. That's a pretty good clue that 
they are the same hardware.

(Geez, what a jerk!)

-- 
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bash@tware.com                                              Boulder, CO  U.S.A.
From: rbt@tous.oau.org (Robert B. Tate)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: WB Fax Upgrade
Date: 3 Jan 93 23:51:20 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tate Enterprises

In article <C0AM19.Lnn@queernet.org> rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes:
>In article <89@ravel.ati.com> duncan@ravel.ati (Jim Duncan) writes:
>>The initial tested software recommendations
>>cost $90 for Windows, $60 for DOS, $70 for Mac, and $625 for UNIX.
>>With "outstanding offers" (Telebit's words) like that, it's no wonder
>>that UNIX is so relatively unpopular as an OS.    
>
>Of course, for DOS and Mac, you pay $60-90 for one-system access; for
>UNIX, you pay $625 for network access...
>                                                                   -- J. Foster

BUT, not all unix boxs are on a network and/or have multi-users! I know
of quite a few boxes around this area that are neither!


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From: lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Connecting a modem to Sun Sparc
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:21:26 GMT
Organization: cic

lachlan@hydra.itc.gu.edu.au (Lachlan) writes:

>Hi,
>   Does any one know how to connect a modem to a sun IPC.
>   I need the pinouts to make a DB-5 to 8 pin din cable.
>   Any Ideas?

You *should* have the small doc box that contains the
"SPARCstation IPC Installation Guide". Look at page
146 for that info.

In case you don't have it, here is a rough schematic
for the mini-DIN:

                    __===__             
		 _-         -_
		|   I  I  I   |
	        |  == ==   == |
		|    == ==    |
		 -_         _-
		    -------

The numbering is this:

                    __===__             
		 _-         -_
		|   6  7  8   |
	        |  3  4    5  |
		|    1  2     |
		 -_         _-
		    -------

This is the correspondence table:

	DIN-8	DB-25	Signal	Direction

	  1	 20	 DTR	output
	  2	  5	 CTS	input
	  3	  2	 TxD	output
	  4	  7	 Gnd	none
	  5	  3	 RxD	input
	  6	  4	 RTS	output
	  7	  8	 DCD	input
	  8	 17	 RxC	input

Note that pin 8 is the Receive Clock. This makes it
possible to run X.25 over such a port. I'm not sure, though,
why you should not be able to run *any* synchronous connection
with a modem switched to use TxC==RxC.
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: Steven_Lam@mindlink.bc.ca (Steven Lam)
Subject: USR modems..
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 09:29:34 GMT

I notice that there isn't too many messages on here concerning US Robotics
products.  Especially the Sporster and Courier v.32bis fax and dual standard
fax products.  Is there anybody out there who use them?  Any comments or
critisim?  I sell USR modems and would like to find out people's opinion on
them.  BTW, I have a Dual Standard with fax and am VERY happy with it.
From: borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Boerge Noest)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Help: I can upload but not download!
Date: 26 Dec 92 03:36:52 GMT
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway


I have this obscure problem: Uploads works just fine, but downloads goes
belly-up with errors and/or timeouts (with zmodem. xmodem freaks on CRCs).

I am using the modem right now to compose this, and reading heaps of news,
or hanging on IRC is no problem, but as soon as I have transfered ~20k
zmodem barfs, or if I use xmodem it will not start at all.
I have also had problems with the connection dropping or stopping dead for
a short while, but I do not know if this have been the fault of the
receiving end (the university).
If I have used zmodem and then try to restart, it will give me errors
immediately.

The modem is a Trailblazer T2500, and my machine is an Amiga 2000.
If the register dump can help you, here it is:
E0 F1 M1 Q8 T V1 W1 X3 Y1 &P0 &T4     Version HA2.10 LIB:STD

S00:008 S01=000 S02=043 S03=013 S04=010 S05=008 S06=002 S07=040 S08=004
S09=006
S10=007 S11=085 S12=050 S18=000 S25=005 S26=000 S38=000
S41:001 S45=000 S47=004 S48:001 S49=000
S50=000 S51:005 S52:002         S54=000 S55=000 S56=017 S57=019 S58:002
S59:062
S60=000 S61:000 S62=003 S63=001 S64=000 S65=000 S66:001 S67=000 S68=255
S69=000
S90=001 S91:001 S92:001 S93=008 S94:000 S95:002 S96:000 S97:001 S98=003
S100=000 S101=000 S104=000 S105=001 S106:001 S107=020
S110=255 S111:020 S112=001
S121=000 S130=002 S131:001
S150=000 S151=004 S152=001 S153=001 S154=000 S155=000
S160=010 S161=020 S162=002 S163=003 S164=007
S183:000 S255=000


The problem is that things used to work ok, and I can't remember to have done
anything to mess this up.

Anyone?


Thanks in advance,
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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: spyder@admiral.uucp (Eric)
Subject: Intel SatisFAXtion vs. USR 14.4 Sportster
Reply-To: spyder@admiral.uucp (Eric)
Organization: The Grid/Waffle BBS, 203-661-2873, -1279, -0450, -2967
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 06:44:07 GMT

Disregarding price (I can get these both for the same price + or - $3)
Which is a better modem, the Intel 14.4 SatisFAXtion or the USR 14.4
Sportster?.......does anyone out there have any problems regarding 
connections to other types of modems?..I already know that the USR
14.4 Sportster will pretty much connect to everything, and the only
drawback is that the modem is not upgradable to 28.8, and it doesn't
have ASL....how about the Intel?....does it connect everywhere for 
everyone?, regardless of line noise?......is it going to be upgradable?..
does it fall-back, and fall-forwards during connections?
Please leave me information....thanks..

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From: wdiamond@netcom.com (Warren R. Diamond)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: USR modems..
Date: 2 Jan 93 23:56:01 GMT
Followup-To: comp.dcom.modems
Distribution: USA
Organization: Yoyodyne

In article <19130@mindlink.bc.ca> Steven_Lam@mindlink.bc.ca (Steven Lam) writes:
>I notice that there isn't too many messages on here concerning US Robotics
>products.  Especially the Sporster and Courier v.32bis fax and dual standard
>fax products.  Is there anybody out there who use them?  Any comments or
>critisim?  I sell USR modems and would like to find out people's opinion on
>them.  BTW, I have a Dual Standard with fax and am VERY happy with it.
>


Well, I have a USR Sportster 14,440 PC/fax and the thing is generally
rock solid.  I connect to Prodigy at 9600, CompuServe at 9600, Sun 4/UNIX
machines at 14,400, numerous BBS's at 14,400 and in all cases on the first
try.  I use the supplied XTALK Communicator 2.0 software extensively, and its
a real joy.  I use Procomm+/Windows in Windows 3.1 at 14,400 with no problems.

My only negative complaint is the supplied FAX software, Blast Fax PC, is
a little off the mark.

Oh yeah, I paid $ 369 at Fry's Electronics.  It's installed internal
to a Gateway 2000, 486DX2 50 at com2.  I wanted to use com4, but the
video card, ATI ultra graphics used the com4 address.  It's a big board
and would not fit in most of the slots because it flopped onto the
memory chips.

I would recommend the board.

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From: pmwanik@cadev6.intel.com (Peter Mwaniki)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: modems help/info needed
Keywords: modems,kenya,e-mail
Date: 23 Dec 92 21:20:56 GMT
Reply-To: githeko@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ( jm githeko )
Organization: none

folks,

need some help/info, 

there is a group of students who are determined to get internet
to kenya ( yes, next door to somalia ). they have managed a 286
running public domain software on the kenya end and another one
here in the us. the goal is to connet the two via modems<-> phone
and initially do dial-up.

the problem becomes, they need institutions like schools, churches
etc to be able to connect to the kenya hub, and this is where they
are looking for help: there are NO modems. they need even 1200 baud
modems, if you have any, they can put it into a very good use you
will be proud of, like a university. also, would appreciate info
on where cheap modems can be gotten. 

would appreciate any help/info, please direct any and all mail to:
githeko@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

 My address is:
    Jason M. Githeko
    1310 S. Sixth, #345
    Champaign, IL 61820

wish YOU all happy holidays


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Pole G6  SC3                      Voice mail: (408) 765 4267
From: tener@cs.widener.edu (Stuart Tener)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Worldblazer/T-3000 question
Date: 24 Dec 1992 16:10:09 -0500
Organization: Widener University CS Department, Chester PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pebbles.cs.widener.edu

In article <BzrtGK.D06@gator.use.com> larry@gator.use.com (Larry Snyder) writes:
>tener@cs.widener.edu (Stuart Tener) writes:
>
>>eproms? Or are there any hardware differences. I was going to have my
>>customers buy T-3000s for now, and then upgrade them (via eprom) to
>>V.FAST when it comes out.
>
>Has Telebit made the announcement of the T3000/Worldblazer being
>upgradable to v.fast?  I don't remember seeing this anywhere, but
>I would welcome it since I own several Worldblazers..

Mr Snyder:

	I see you posting messages all over the net about many different
	topics. Do you know the answer to my question? Which is:
	Are T3000's and Worldblazer's the same modem except for eproms?

	Next time you get boared (sp?), instead of sending someone an
	answer which has no relavance to the question, you should call
	telebit. They have stated to me that as far as they know, there
	will be an upgrade. I thought (stupid me), that this was implied
	in my original message. Apparently you did not read it fully or
	comprehend it fully.

>
>-- 
>Larry Snyder                                    internet: larry@gator.use.com
>keeper of the Gator                                   uucp: uunet!gator!larry

73,
stuart
tener@cs.widener.edu
(215)-338-6005
From: hkoepke@hkhh.hanse.de (Holger Koepke)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: USR Sportster Wanted..
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 09:07:46 MEZ
Organization: Modern live

gerrit@laosinh.stgt.sub.org (Gerrit Heitsch) writes:

> In article <1992Dec27.213739.19218@unixland.natick.ma.us>, Bill Heiser writes

> USR supports only Class 1, all other manufacturers implement Class 2.
> This means, that you cannot use the FAX capability of a USR modem
> with one of the available programs like WinFAX, GPFAX... and the
> software USR supplies runs only under MS-DOS... :-(

USR's don't support Class 2, thats right. But Winfax supports class 1
devices, and works fine with the USR's.

Holger
Xref: sparky comp.dcom.modems:18441 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:16116
From: wilken@plains.NoDak.edu (Scott Wilken)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc
Subject: Re: How do I get DSZ to work in Telix?
Date: 23 Dec 92 16:40:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: ns1.Bzq0zM.Hs8
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Dec23.153404.1746@rtfm.mlb.fl.us> luckey@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Jon Luckey) writes:
>
>Telix has ZMODEM built into it.  Why do you want to add an external ZMODEM
>protocol?

The ZMODEM built into telix isnt very good.  It just does the most basic
ZMODEM functions.

DSZ implements other features including ZMODEM-90, which  includes MobyTurbo
(MobyTurbo is just the tiniest hair slower than Ymodem-G, and still gives
you the features of Zmodem (resume, etc, and it wont abort when it recieves
a line error like Ymodem-G will).

Scott

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: jeroenp@rulfc1.LeidenUniv.nl (Jeroen W. Pluimers)
Subject: Re: ZyXEL as answering machine ? (PC-Software)
Keywords: Zyxel
Organization: Dept. FMC, Gorlaeus Labs, Leiden University, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 00:50:01 GMT

In article <wkrause.725552962@kaa> wkrause@kaa.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Wolfgang Krause) writes:

>After upgrading my ZyXEL modem to 5.02 ROMs, I learned, that the new 
>ROM versions contain a voice mode, that digitizes sounds from the
>phoneline.

So, am i right that I conclude that I can buy a ZyXEL as a sort
of modem/FAX/answering machine combination?

If so, what are the experiences from other people
using it in this combination?

If these are good, it would be a good buy for me....

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Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.os.os2.misc
From: jardined@qucis.queensu.ca (Donald Jardine)
Subject: Serial I/O cards?
Followup-To: comp.os.os2.misc
Keywords: serial uart
Organization: Computing & Information Science, Queen's University
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 17:52:21 GMT

What's a good serial I/O card that will work with OS2 2.0 on an AT bus
and will accept 16550AFN uarts?  Where can it be obtained? Approximate price?

Donald Jardine, Software Technology Laboratory, Comp. Sci. Dept.,
Queen's Univ. Kingston Ont. Ph (613) 545 6070 Fax (613) 545 6513
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
From: wolfgang@netcom.com (Wolfgang Henke)
Subject: Re: Digicom Scout modem
Organization: Netcom
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 05:26:40 GMT

Dave McLane (davidg@aegis.or.jp) wrote:

: >I dont usually recommend *G0. Only if I get a report that the Scout+
: >will not connect at 14,400 bps somewhere, and the signal quality is
: >5+ or better, will it work well. If its 5 or below, then it will result
: >in higher speeds, like 12,000 bps instead of 9600 bps, but the line
: >does then not allow 14,400 bps.
: ....
: 
: So then the first thing is to use SQ to check the Signal Quality. 
: 
: If you have connected at too low a rate and you find that SQ=5 or 6,
: can you change to *G0 and get a retrain with ATO or something?

It might work. Unfortunately I can not test it since *G0 is needed in
only very, very few cases. Within North America I have heard only of
five users who need *G0. I would recommend to disconnect, set 
*G0 and then dial again.

In another matter I get 14,400 bps connects on international links now
quite frequently. Today to a Scout+ in Germany, a few days ago to a
Codex in Bombay. Within the US its always 14,400 bps, today to a
Motorola 24,000 bps modem in Boston for example on first try 14,400 bps
V.42bis. I will add it to my list of compatible high speed modems now.

Wolfgang




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From: to5232@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Hayes Optima or Intell 440/e ???
Date: 3 Jan 93 16:09:02 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

I am interested in buying a high speed modem.  I have zeroed in on either 
a Hayes Optima 14.4k  or a Intel Satisfaxtion 400/e.  I can't seem to 
decide on either.  My biggest question is being able to connect with other 
modems at high speed.  One thing I remember hearing about was if you had a 
Hayes modem and you tried to connect to a USR Dual Standard, you could not 
connect at 9600 or higher.  You could only connect at 2400, because the 
protocol was proprietary.  This of course was a couple of years ago.  I am 
wondering if this is still the case?  Can anyone who has these modems tell 
how successful they have been in connecting to BBS's or Public Internet 
Sites that have high speed connections?
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Could somebody tell me the quality of Zoom Modems?
Date: 27 Dec 92 22:00:04 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:

>Only one of the systems I regularly connect to is running a Zoom 14.4, and
>it does _not_ connect at 14.4 to at least two other brands of modems (my
>Practical Peripherals and a friend's Intel).  I don't know whether the
>internal one has the same difficulties, but you should be aware of that
>potential glitch in the v.32bis implementation.

Duh, stupid me.  What I completely forgot to mention was that it connects to
the other v.32bis's in question at 12.0kbps instead of 14.4.  12.0 is, of
course, one of the valid fallback speeds.  It will not fall forward to 14.4,
but it at least maintains the connection.

(Early PPI 14.4's and some Supra 14.4's have a tendency to fall back from
14.4 to 12.0 early in a connection, and then lose the connection entirely.)

-Shag

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