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From: anthony@panzer.b17b.ingr.com (Anthony Shipman)
Subject: Re: Who killed SF???
Organization: Intergraph
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 13:56:40 GMT

In article <1im3ss$fog@agate.berkeley.edu>, curtis@cs.berkeley.edu (Curtis Yarvin) writes:
|> In article <C0KrM4.2uJ@news.ucs.mun.ca> jfarrell@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (James Farrell) writes:
|> >
|> >How would you feel if in the end of a Sci-Fi movie like "Return of the
|> >Jedi" Luke joined the Empire and wiped out the Alliance.
|> >It would make for a stupid series.
|> 
|> Au contraire, mon frere!  I find the idea simply delightful.  
|> 
|> Luke Skywalker as a latter-day Hermann Goering, utterly corrupted in
|> the flesh, hunting down his erstwhile comrades with the fury of a man
|> who knows he is doing absolute evil and enjoys every last bit of it...

They already did that. Remember his dad?

|> 
|> 
|> but would the thirteen-year-olds go for it?

Personally, I'd like to see the emperor's soul take of Leia's body, ala the
Exorcist, and she becomes a latter day Morgan Le Fey, but with the promiscuity
and sadistic tastes of Madonna. I bet the thirteen-year-olds would go for THAT!

Anthony
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From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig)
Subject: Re: Michael McCollum
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 07:31:41 GMT

pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek)
>What about _A Greater Infinity_?  He sort of ended that one on a cliff-
>hanger.

Sigh, and then people complain about sequelitis.  

It's not a cliff-hanger to end a story with an acknowledgement that
the protagonist will go on to do great things.  It's not a cliff-hanger
to end a book without resolving all the subplots.  (You might want to
read about the subsequent negotiations with the saurians, for example,
but it's not important to the story being told.)

If you want to worry about cliff-hangers, worry about when the third
book in the Dark Border trilogy is coming out. :-)

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   God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endless traine  -- Edmund Spenser
From: jvessey@husc10.harvard.edu (Jonathan Vessey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Dan Simmons - Hyperion
Date: 5 Jan 93 07:37:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc.jvessey.726219452

Over the past break, I decided I really needed to do some recreational reading
(since I did more than enough school reading during the first part of the
semester and still have finals awaiting now that I'm back), so I read Dan
Simmons' _Hyperion_ and _Fall of Hyperion_. I'd never read any of his books
before, but one of the local bookstores has had a copy of _Hyperion_ in an
spot that catches my eye every time I go in there. I finally picked up the
book and, after reading the jacket and seeing that it had won the Hugo and
Nebula awards (I think it won both. Know it got at least on of 'em), decided
to read it. I was pleasantly surprised - both books really gripped me and held
me captive 'til the very end because of the way he build up the story without
ever revealing exactly what was going on 'til the very end. Even the single
"Canterbury Tales'-like sections from _Hyperion_ would have made interesting
reading by themselves. Unfortunately, I'm not going to have much time to read
anything even remotely fun for many months, but I'm working on a list for this
summer (so far: any new books by Card, Zelazny, Niven, some more Asimov, 
something by David Brin (any comments in general on what to add or not?)) and
am looking for recommendations of other books by Simmons that are worth 
reading. I'm primarily interested in SF, though I know he writes horror, too,
and if a horror work were good enough, I'd consider reading it, too. Does   
anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,
Jon


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From: JBAYER@SCUACC.SCU.EDU ("Joseph Bayer, Esq.")
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Subject: Re: SF-LOVERS Digest   V17 #640
Date: 9 Jan 93 04:57:00 GMT

Cant remember how to get off this subscription please help!!!! I'm overdrawn
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From: xoanon@carina.unm.edu (timothy k istian soholt)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: THE MODULAR MAN? IS IT WORTH PICKING UP???
Date: 10 Jan 1993 22:57:43 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
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kasprj@rpi.edu writes:

> I find Allen's work to be a lot more interesting for its characterization
>than its science fiction. He has a good grasp of human psychology and what
>makes people think in certain ways.

And that's really what drives  _The Modular Man_. It's a story
about the effects of certain technological advances on people's
attitudes. 

Personally, I think it's one of the best novels written in the 
past few years, but your mileage may vary.

-- Tim Soholt (xoanon@carina.unm.edu)

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From: rob@fosters.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rob Carriere)
Subject: Re: Who killed SF???
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:31:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.042013.16802@nwnexus.WA.COM>, elf@halcyon.com (Elf
Sternberg) writes: 
>We *know* beyond a reasonable doubt what is science fiction and what is
>fantasy nowadays, and it's harder to write SF in that light.

In article <1993Jan8.080028.1@bb1t.monsanto.com> bjgaed@bb1t.monsanto.com
writes: 
>Hey, Elf, since you "*know* beyond a reasonable doubt what is science 
>fiction and what is fantasy" would you care to enlighten the rest of 
>us?  
[examples]
>Why or why not?
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No fair.  Like a good product of modern education, he only promised knowledge,
not understanding.

SR
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From: tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl Neustaedter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: I *liked* The Gripping Hand
Date: 13 Jan 1993 01:33:39 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc.
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After all the bad reviews on HAND, I figured I had to say it. I bought
a copy at 4pm, had to put it down for dinner and family celebrating
(visiting my grandparents), and finished it by 2am. That tends to 
indicate that I didn't find the book too boring.

It wasn't as good as The Mote in God's Eye. But sequels rarely are.
It provided a lot more background about the moties that had been
missing. It explored a number of issues that the first book had teased
with. And it expanded on the original characters (God's Navel! :-).

I'm reminded of Ringworld and Ringworld Engineers. IMHO, R.E. wasn't as
good as Ringworld. The big canvas had been dealt with in the original,
and it took some manhandling to come up with comparable issues for the
sequel. But I eagerly awaited the sequel, paid hardcover prices
for it (even though I was a poor college student at the time), and felt
that my money was well spent.

My major complaint about HAND vs MOTE is that human sexual mores *changed* 
between the two books. They too closely parallel the changes we've seen in
our own society in the years prior to the book's publication (As sexuality
and Women's Lib went, MOTE could have been a 1950's society, and HAND could
have been 1970's).

I'll re-read HAND this weekend and see if I like it as much the second
time around. But I'm already happy to have paid $22 for what I got.
-- 
         Tarl Neustaedter	tarl@sw.stratus.com
         Marlboro, Mass.	Stratus Computer
Disclaimer: My employer is not responsible for my opinions.
From: kogoma@triton.unm.edu (Taki Kogoma)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Questions about Pern, _Rescue_Flight_
Date: 13 Jan 1993 03:29:32 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon
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In article <1993Jan13.014649.6158@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows) writes:
>And another thing...exactly which issue of whatever magazine (was it
>Analog?) did RESCUE FLIGHT appear in?  A local out-of-print bookshop
>has a few old issues lying around, and I am so impatient to read it
>now that I would go up there and buy it if they have it.  Incidentally,
>have any other new Pern stories appeared in any magazines?

"Rescue Run" - _Analog_, August 1991.  (Also available in hardcover
from Wildfire Press according to the latest flier from the SF book
club.)

>It's funny...I had thought that Anne wasn't going to write any more
>Pern stories.  However, I could have predicted it, since many of the
>authors I read feel and succumb to the urge to go back and write more
>stories in universes they'd thought were now "closed."  In fact, it's
>rather what I'd hoped.

Unless Ms. McCaffrey has changed her mind, _All the Weyrs of Pern_ is
the last Pern book.  Of course, we all know how solid such a promise
is. ;-)

>If I have more ideas about Pern, they'll appear in a different message.
>Right now, though, Pern is my favorite SF series of all time (right
>up there with Zelazny's AMBER).
>
>And if you talked with Anne McCaffrey, GOD I envy you.

She has a Compu$serve account...got the number someplace but haven't
had anything worthy of bothering her about.

[Keeper of the 'Welcome to alt.fan.pern' Periodic Posting. *PLUG* ;-) ]

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From: cmeadows@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Meadows)
Subject: Re: Questions about Pern, _Rescue_Flight_
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 01:46:49 GMT


I wonder how a planet could be lost "permanently."  I mean, surely
the EEC or SOMEONE would get around to it after a while.  Or some-
one would run across an old reference to it in FSP's records.  Don't
they check up on old colonies now and again?  I really hope that Pern
isn't sealed off from the rest of the galaxy forever.  It's kinda 
fun to imagine a meeting between Pernians and FSP citizens (if the
Federation of Sentient Planets is still around).  Leads to some in-
teresting speculation, such as wondering how the non-meat-eating FSP
humans would react to the omnivorous Pern residents, and vice versa.
(I strongly suspect that Jaxom, F'lar, or whoever was "in charge" of
Pern at the time would tell the spacers what they could do with their
"enlightened vegetarianism," in no uncertain terms! :)  Also, I won-
der if dragons could go "between" to planets in other systems.  It 
would probably be rather like going "between" long periods of time...

Actually, though, I think that any meeting of Pernians with FSPers
would result in a permanent parting of the ways (well, perhaps ships
would drop by now and then, but...).  Pern couldn't survive an onslaught
of high-technology items (they're better off without them, in fact),
and unless the FSP has abandoned vegetarianism, they would never be
able to accept Pern.

And another thing...exactly which issue of whatever magazine (was it
Analog?) did RESCUE FLIGHT appear in?  A local out-of-print bookshop
has a few old issues lying around, and I am so impatient to read it
now that I would go up there and buy it if they have it.  Incidentally,
have any other new Pern stories appeared in any magazines?

It's funny...I had thought that Anne wasn't going to write any more
Pern stories.  However, I could have predicted it, since many of the
authors I read feel and succumb to the urge to go back and write more
stories in universes they'd thought were now "closed."  In fact, it's
rather what I'd hoped.

If I have more ideas about Pern, they'll appear in a different message.
Right now, though, Pern is my favorite SF series of all time (right
up there with Zelazny's AMBER).

And if you talked with Anne McCaffrey, GOD I envy you.

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From: emeu09@castle.ed.ac.uk (Mech Eng Student)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: The "Death Gate" Cycle
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:52:25 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service


   I was wondering if there was anyone else out there who is reading the Death
Gate cycle by the most variable of authors Weiss and Hickman.  If so could you
add your opinions to these questions.  Thanks in advance.

1)  What is the dog?  The only person who doesn't know seems to be Haplo.
   My guess is that it is a representation of Haplo's "soft" emotions.

2)  Who is Zifnab (Fizban, Paladine, whatever) REALLY and what's he doing here?

3)  Where did the dragons come from?

4)  Is Alfred really the Serpent Mage?

I hope this stirs up some interest as ,whilst it is only just over half complete
the books so far show many interesting ideas.  Ihope these are followed up in the 
last three books (Boy is Samah in for a surprise!)

TTFN
Rod
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From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton)
Subject: Re: Davis Mechanics (was Re: John Woods Campbell)
Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp.
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:08:31 GMT

Escape velocity is a confusing notion.  It refers to a velocity one must
have (really an energy) if one applies no more thrust.

One can, of course, escape from the Earth's gravitational field at one
mile an hour, if under a constant force equal to the gravitational force.

Black holes are really a horse of a different colour, although they have
no colour, and no hair.
-- 
Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366
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From: jvh@mits.mdata.fi (Jussi-Ville Heiskanen)
Subject: Re: Red electrons
Organization: Microdata Oy
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:58:31 GMT

djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes:


>Well, of *course* electrons are red.  What did you expect?  They're all
>atheists (have you ever heard of a good Christian electron?), and they
>hold their nuclei in common.  They'll swap orbits at a moment's notice.

>I understand that the Government has been investigating electrons for
>many years now.

>Neutrons are . . . shall we say . . . a bit pink also.  But protons are
>good American particles.


Yeah, but neutrinos are the sneakiest of all. They have infiltrated every
organization of national importance you`d care to name.

--
jvh@mits.mdata.fi
From: chuahl@ocf.berkeley.edu (Chua HakLien)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Barker, C.
Date: 9 Jan 1993 00:11:20 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: sandstorm.berkeley.edu

Start with his shorter works from _The_Books_of_Blood_ first. His short
stories are much better than his longer works, and while he writes better
prose than King, Barker's characters aren't really as strong. ( IMHO )

As to King being a tritemaster, well, you should try to read _Gerald's_Game_
and possibly _Dolores_Clairbone_ . King has matured in his writing
since his _Carrie_ days, and whatever else most people think, he does keep the
reader turning those pages.

Chua
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From: dseeman@novell.com (Daniel Seeman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.science,sci.physics,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Davis Mechanics (was Re: John Woods Campbell)
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:12:01 GMT
Organization: Novell Inc., San Jose, Califonia

In article <schumach.726431708@convex.convex.com> schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:
>To be more precise, it makes no sense to talk about an
>incompressible bar in a relativity thought experiment, because
>"incompressible" means (among other things) "infinite speed of 
>sound". Note that it can still make perfect sense to suppose 

Good point ("...infinte speed of sound...").  But thought experiments need not
be real to be usefull.

dks.
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From: enthrall@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Wolf)
Subject: Re: Amber: Triumphant Conclusion?!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:43:46 GMT


Zelazny DOES intend to write at *least* two more books, but he did say that
he's going to wait about 3 years.  He's focussing (sp?) on other projects
before he starts the Amber universe again.
From: davis@licre.ludwig.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: "Light of Other Days" and Nature (the journal)
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:37:03 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University

In the last edition of Nature for 1992, the "Daedalus" column which always 
makes interesting and amusing reading has postulated a "new" invention 
which sounds very much like Bob Shaw's slow glass from "Light of Other 
Days" (I think that's the title).

Probably should bombard the editor with anti-plagiarism letters.


Ian Davis                    davis@licre.ludwig.edu.au
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From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (JORN GUNNAR HALONEN)
Subject: Weird SF
Organization: Ostfold College
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:08:20 GMT


Title says it all, is there any 'weird' science fiction work
like some of the stuff Philip K. Dick wrote ? I've read many
of his books lately and now I'm seeking for other authors.

Authors name + maybe some of his/hers best books would be
appreciated.
From: jvessey@husc10.harvard.edu (Jonathan Vessey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Acronyms in _Hyperion_
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:46:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc.jvessey.726788798
 <1ik53bINNjkj@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> <urf.726517413@sw2001> <1isjnbINNg0i@shelley.u.washington.edu>

dayne@byron.u.washington.edu (Dayne Miller) writes:

>In Dan Simmons' books _Hyperion_ and _Fall of Hyperion_, what do the acronyms
>FORCE and ARN stand for? I may have just missed the reference, or Simmons may
>just not have ever said. If there aren't any definitive answers, how about some
>reasonable speculation?

>(For those of you unfamiliar with the books, FORCE is the military of Hegemony
>space, and includes FORCE:space, FORCE:ground, FORCE:sea, and FORCE:Marines.
>ARN refers to a technique of genetic sculpting; ARNists gave one character,
>Martin Silenus, the appearance of a satyr, and several references were made
>to extinct species that have of have not been ARNied back into existance.)

>Just wondering...

On a somewhat related note (though one with an answer that's probably easy
to come up with), what exactly was the Hegira? I think I missed were they
explained it, but it seemed an important historical event. Forgive me if it's
really obvious, but I read the books at 2 am - 4 am and sort of fogged out
some of the lesser details at times. Thanks for any answers.


>   -price

Jon
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From: kasprj@isaac.its.rpi.edu (Jim Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: THE MODULAR MAN? IS IT WORTH PICKING UP???
Reply-To: kasprj@rpi.edu
Organization: The Big Wedge 
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 13:26:27 GMT

In article <1inpptINNljd@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aa396@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Henley) writes:
|> 
|> Assuming you're talking about the novel by Roger Allen McBride-
 
 Roger McBride Allen. I used to make the same mistake myself.

|> when it first appeared as an ANALOG serial I didn't read it
|> because the premise sounded fairly silly (a man transfers his
|> consciousness into a robot vacuum cleaner?!?)  However, I
|> picked up the book edition when I needed reading material
|> for my summer vacation, and was pleasantly surprised-- it was
|> actually a pretty interesting and worthwhile book.

 I find Allen's work to be a lot more interesting for its characterization
than its science fiction. He has a good grasp of human psychology and what
makes people think in certain ways. Sometimes the silly SF premises get in
the way of this, but usually I manage to read around them. I thought that 
_The Modular Man_ was not too bad, but Allen's written better. I'd reccomend
_Orphan of Creation_ or _Supernova_ (co-authored with Eric Kotani). Less 
silly SF and just as much good human interaction.
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From: seiler@nibbles.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ed Seiler)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: _Microcosmic Tales_ same as _100 Great SF Short-Short Stories_?
Date: 6 Jan 93 06:08:22 GMT
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.written
Organization: Hughes/STX

In article <1993Jan6.032124.11077@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>,
pciszek@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Ciszek) wrote:
> 
> ekho@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (amanda rothman) writes:
> 
> >  The book you are speaking of is titled "Microcosmic Tales", edited by 
> >Isaac Asimov, Martin H. Greenberg, and Joseph D. Olander.  And it says 
> >"100 _Wondrous_ Science Fiction Short-Short Stories".  ;)  A perfect
> >reason to buy it, as stories this short (1-5 pgs) are quite often well 
> >worth it, especially the ones I've found by Issac Asimov.  Enjoy!
> 
> The book I saw a few years back was definately NOT titled _Microcosmic Tales_.
> However, it is quite possible that it was repackaged as such in a fit of
> Asimovian necrophilia on the part of some publisher.  Does anyone know if
> the two books are distinct or not?

Not the same book. "Microcosmic Tales" was originally published by
Taplinger in 1980 and recently published in paperback. "One Hundred Great
Science Fiction Short-Short Stories" was published by Doubleday in 1978;
the most recent paperback edition was published by Avon in 1988, and is
ISBN 0-380-50773-1.

Ed Seiler
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"If puns are outlawed, only outlaws will have puns."
From: pjhst10+@pitt.edu (Peter   J Hill)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Dune the movie: 3hr version exists!
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:06:12 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


 It is not mass hynosis. I have also watched a version of dune on TV
in Pittsburgh Pa, that was at least 3 hours long.  I started watching in
(it) around midnight, and it wasn't over until almost four in the morning.
There were many scenes that were not in the original.

 The dune movies may not be by the book screen translations, but I thought
that it was an interesting movie. the story was good, I loved the special
effects.  I think that Hollywood has the right to figure out the best
way to make a movie out of a book.  There are many things that a book
can do that a movie can not, and vice versa.

that is my two hundredths of a dollar.

pjhst100@vms.cis.pitt.edu
From: chuq@Apple.COM (Crow's Friend Timmy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written
Subject: Re: Who killed SF???
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:29:43 GMT
Organization: Next Thursday A.D.

gamiddle@math.uwaterloo.ca (Guy Middleton) writes:

>> Publishers publish what readers buy. 

>And readers buy what publishers publish.

Reader's buy SOME of what publisher's publish. Publisher's lose money on the
titles that don't sell, which then causes publishers to not buy stuff that's
like the stuff that didn't sell.

It's a nice, fairly clean feedback loop. Every time reader's buy Piers
Anthony and leave the Phil Dick or the Ted Sturgeon on the shelf, what
they're telling the publisher is they want more Piers Anthony and less Dick
or Sturgeon. Guess what? That's what they end up with.

-- 
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          I'm history! No! I'm mythology! Whatever, I'm outta here!