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From: jberman@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Jesse Berman)
Subject: Re: Two Captains and Rick Berman to be on Prodigy
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 05:22:40 GMT
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In article <28DEC92.22571283@vax.clarku.edu> mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:

>		      Brooks, last seen on Spenser: For Hire and
>		  A Man Called Hawk, plays Sisko, who runs the
>		  space station. He is a single parent to son
>		  Jake since his wife was killed during the
>		  famous encounter with the Borg--the bloodiest
>		  battle ever recorded in Federation history.

Brooks was also, if I'm not mistaken, an Oberlin College graduate.
Sorry, but I have to plug my school, as we don't get many famous
alumni/ae!  :)

-Jesse
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From: csh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Chris Heath)
Subject: Re: Synopsis, "Chain of Command, Part II"
Keywords: TNG, Cardassians, Picard, torture
Reply-To: csh@newt.phys.unsw.edu.au (Chris Heath)
Organization: University of NSW
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:38:13 GMT



Could someone please email me part I, i don't seem to have received
it.

Thanks

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From: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Where was Ro in Chain of Command?
Date: 30 Dec 92 22:20:03 GMT
Reply-To: rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin Computer Sciences Dept., Madison, WI

In <abick.725653892@cunews> abick@sebastian.carleton.ca (Alan Bick) writes:
>In <1992Dec29.110242.1@sep.vitro.com> hef@vitro.com writes:
>>Does anyone out there know if
>>Michelle Forbes was unavailable while the episodes were being filmed or
>>if TPTB simply did not write her into the story?

>She was probably with O'Brian (which explains the reason there was so much
>shuttlecraft action) preparing for Deep Space 9.

My understanding was that Forbes is doing some stage show at the moment, and
will not be a regular in DS9.  (This is what the ST:TNG Companion said,
anyway.)

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From: adamsd@crash.cts.com (Adams Douglas)
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Subject: Re: DSN or DS9 ?
Date: 26 Dec 92 16:49:35 GMT
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I vote for "DS9"! To me "DSN" makes me think of my old job at the
Deep-Space-Network.

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From: ssubrama@dante.nmsu.edu (SUBRAMANIAM)
Subject: Funniest line from CoC Part 1 -- Spoilers!!!
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:12:24 GMT

The funniest line, according to me was:

Ferengi: (looking at Picard alarmed) I didn't do it.

I just burst out with laughter after listening to this.  Isn't even one
Ferengi straight.  It clearly exposed his guilty conscience.  

Siva

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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: data watch
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 17:41:21 GMT
Distribution: rec
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In <92364.013441SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET> Tad Simmons <SIMMONS@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:

>But seriously, Kirk wore a green top on occasion.  Possibly another command
>designation?   The Accounting department?  Horticulture?  Civilians?

Kirk' green shirt seemed to be a special "commanding officer's shirt."
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: DS9 in boston area?
Date: 28 Dec 92 04:25:54 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <27DEC92.20402618@vax.clarku.edu> mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:
<
<Three cheers to WCVB-5, though.  When TNG first premiered, they were the only 
<network affiliate in the US to show it during prime-time (Saturday 8pm).  Of 
<course now its 7pm, but six years ago they got some free press on 
<Entertainment Tonight for the prime-time slot.

Sorry, but our local CBS affiliate ran EaF during prime time as well.  They will
be running DS9 Thursday night at 7pm (next week).
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Re: Chain of Command thoughts (maybe Spoilers)
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 17:24:19 GMT

ses52823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Marius) writes:
>Here's my call regarding Chain of Command...

Now my call ... (with safeguards if you want to save it for later)




>I think the title "Chain of Command" hints at some deeper
>conspiracy... possibly a Cardassian-Federation cooperation, or
>some other interest entirely.  The title tends to lend itself
>to the plot unfolding of a conspiracy high-up in the ranks.

I started thinking about how leaders of the military-industrial
complex of the West and the East had self-interests in keeping
each other in business ... as had their predecessors in history.

>They could wrap this one up (continuing along these lines)
>with Jellico being court-martialled after successfully saving
>the Captain... this would put Picard back into the swing of
>things, and would put Jellico in a good-guy role.

Like the captain of the Phoenix and Mr. O'Brien, Jellico had probably
tangled with the Cardassians in the previous war.  Enough of that had
carried over to make him manipulable by powers above directly involved
in the potential conspiracy.  Motivation for revenge probably blinded
him to the larger prospects of widespread conflict in order to take a
piece out of the Cardassians.  His use of expressions like "loaded for
bear" struck me that way ...  at the conclusion, Jellico will come out
of the affair a profoundly changed person.  (I think.)

gld
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From: wherndon@smiley.mitre.org (William Herndon)
Subject: Re: Data Watch
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 19:34:59 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.194931.23139@sx.mont.nec.com> ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan) writes:
>
>Uh..did you folks noticed that Riker had been relieved of duty by
>Cpt. Jelico. The _bridge_ officer who was next in rank from Cmdr. Riker
>(which is Lt. Cmdr. Data) automatically assumed the responsiblities of 2nd 
>in command. Obviously, either Jelico asked Data to wear the red uniform
>or Data felt that it would be appropriate. 
>
>-- 

    My understanding of uniform colors in the TNG world is as follows: 
 
	Red:	Command 
	Gold:	Support
	Blue:	Medical

    So Data, Geordi, and Worf, being the Operations Officer, Head of Eng-
    ineering, and Tactical Officer, respectively, wear gold uniforms be-
    cause they all have "support" positions.  Riker and Picard, the First
    Officer and the Captain have no other duties and therefore wear red.

    When Data was elevated to the position of First Officer, he wore the
    red uniform because he no longer had a dual role.

    Does this sound correct?



        	        	       	       	       	       	       	       
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From: det@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: *** Spoiler *** Comments on "Chain of Command Part II"
Date: 27 Dec 92 15:03:00 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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** SPOILERS FOR CHAIN OF COMMAND PART II **



In article <athos-261292111931@kip2-29.apple.com> athos@apple.com (Rick Eames) writes:
>Interesting.  The 5 people I watched it with are all Riker fans but really
>thought Riker was a big ***hole in this episode.  I was shocked at Riker. 
>If I were the Captain I would have recommended court-martial for
>insubordination.  Especially when Riker himself had made similar decisions
>in Best of Both Worlds when HE was Captain.  Very strange.

I thought that much of the emnity between Riker and Jellico was *because*
they were much more alike than either would have liked to admit.  This
was especially apparent in Riker's cabin, when Jellico dropped rank,
and they both expressed their personal dislike of the other, each in
fact referring to the other as "arrogant".  Jellico, like Riker, is
a "man of action".  Riker and Picard, on the other hand, are the
perfect counterpoints to each other, with Picard tending to "back away
and cool off".

I found it interesting in that regard that Jellico clearly prefers the
passionless Data as his Number One.  We have here two captains (Picard
and Jellico) who both instinctively balance their personalities with
complementary (sic - *not* complimentary!) traits in their chosen
execs.

I found myself respecting Jellico at the end, although I can't say
I particularly *like* him (I'm not that fond of "control freaks").

By the way, even expecting a powerful performance from Patrick Stewart,
I was impressed beyond my expectations.  He should get an Emmy for
this episode, even with the bias in favor of network offerings.
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Subject: Re: DS9: Avery Brooks has attitude.
From: CHD@HERMES.ECE.ARIZONA.EDU (Chris De Young)
Date: 29 Dec 92 16:48:15 MST
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In <1992Dec29.151137.45946@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> kuvamp@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

> Gee, isn't it great that Paramount picks actors to whom this is just another
> job, and who have no idea what this role means to people? ......
[etc etc etc]
> 
> 					-----------KUVAMP :-)=

Maybe you should judge how good a job he does after you've, oh say, seen
him do it maybe?

Just a thought.  Call me crazy.

Chris
chd@ece.arizona.edu
From: ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu
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Subject: Re: Chain Of Command Part II -- review
Date: 28 Dec 92 11:48:47 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls

> 
> What Star Trek have you been watching?  ST, both TOS and TNG, has always
> been about people and society, not about science and space battles.  It
> uses the futuristic settings and future-tech plot devices in order to frame
> allegories about the human condition.
> 

But this was the problem with the episode, there were no science fiction
plot devices at all in this story, and there should have been.  Big ones.  
I have no objection to parallels to today's Earth, and in fact I like them,
but they have be drawn with the pencils of science fiction.  This was
drawn with a twentieth century ballpoint pen.

Steven.K.Manfred
From: cho@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Request for a Summary/Spoiler
Date: 3 Jan 93 13:06:46 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

Greetings!
Could someone please email me a summary of the two part show that is the
prequel to the upcoming DSN show airing this week?  I would really appreciate
it.  
Regards,
Pamela Cho
From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Female CO for the E  II
Date: 21 Dec 92 21:12:43 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Dec17.225700.499@fsl.noaa.gov> jkl@fsl.noaa.gov (Jennifer Longstaff) writes:
>
>I know there have also been plenty of men shown as idiots on the show, but
>I'm trying to remember when a woman was portrayed as *REALLY SMART* or
>competent or a good female role model.  Can anyone help me with this?
>

Rachael Garret, Capt of the Enterprise-C

Can't remember her name, Warp engineer in Booby Trap (also seen in
another episode)

K'helar (oops spelling, does she count even though she's an alien)

Those are probably the obvious ones, I can think of a few more but
not there name's right now.

How about Dr. Pulaski?  She may have been too strong a character.
That's why she was canned, right?

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From: lidz@quads.uchicago.edu (adam lidz)
Subject: Re: Galaxy-class Starships
Reply-To: lidz@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 15:02:50 GMT

If you look CAREFULLY at the Wolf-359 wrekage there is ONE galaxy-class hull.
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
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Subject: Re: Chain Of Command, Part I = shortened
Date: 27 Dec 92 17:45:46 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Distribution: rec
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Dec26.3208.18196@dosgate> "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com> writes:
<
< -=> Vidiot babbled to All and look what he said! <=-
<
< Vi> That means that Coc Pt II will be the same way.  They won't be able to
< Vi> do that for the episode following CoC Pt II, since it is a repeat.
<
<Anyways, from what I remember, there were TWO DSN promos for CoC Pt
<II...  One was after the 2:00 commercial break session but I'm pretty
<sure the other wasn't.

There was only one Paramount supplied DS9 promo.  If there was another, it was
provided locally.

< Vi> Now comes the fun part.  What is Paramount going to do for all of the
< Vi> repeats, give the stations 30 more seconds of ad time or edit back in
< Vi> the missing time? We will know when the episodes get aired again around
<
<Who cares?  I'm sure Paramount leaves local stations some leeways
<always.  Besides, my local station adds about an extra 15 or 30 second
<commercial in each commercial break of second run TNG episodes...

Paramount doesn't leave any leeway in an hour.  The whole hour is timed to the
second.  For second run episodes (those from previous seasons), the local
station gets ALL of the ad time and there is an extra 30 seconds because the
promo for the next week isn't aired.

In the case of the two CoC episodes, when they air again, they will be 30
seconds short.
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: dsn premiere party
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
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Date: 31 Dec 92 16:03:49 EST

 -=> Mark A. Holtz babbled to All and look what he said! <=-

 MAH> MUPT TREK V
 MAH> Saturday, January 2nd
 MAH> Starting at 6 PM
 MAH> Gino's Pizza on Greenback near Sunrise Mall

Oh my god, you're really serious aren't you?  How many Trekkies (er, I
mean TrekkERS) ARE there in Sacramento?  Here in Markham it's a little
cult that is so small no one else dares join!


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From: jberman@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Jesse Berman)
Subject: Re: DS9 Preview Film
	<C00Dqw.B5u@well.sf.ca.us> <4658@vidiot.UUCP>
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 08:44:57 GMT
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In article <4658@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:

>   It was only 4:22 long and was part of a 56 minute Electronic Press Kit.  As
>   far as I know, a 10 minute piece has not been done by Paramount.

For anyone in the Boston area interested in seeing this, WLVI (channel
56) is in the habit of running it after their weekend movies (as I
discovered watching Woody Allen's "Play it Again Sam" last Saturday).
It lasts a bit longer than 4:22, I think.  Your best bet, if you want
to watch it, is to tune in at 1:50 PM or 3:50 PM on Saturdays or
Sundays.  It's a nice little promo.

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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
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Subject: Re: DS9: Avery Brooks has attitude.
Date: 30 Dec 1992 12:44:42 GMT
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In article <1992Dec29.151137.45946@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> kuvamp@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
[AP release deleted]
>Gee, isn't it great that Paramount picks actors to whom this is just another
>job, and who have no idea what this role means to people?  I mean if he's
>not willing to put up with the fandom, he should keep his B-grade tv series
>ass at home and give the job to someone who can handle it.  Leave your Ego
>at the door, Avery, or this will be a SHORT job.

Frankly, I'd far rather see the series (ANY series) lead role filled by
someone who takes acting seriously and will develop the role like a pro,
rather than someone who thinks he or she is the latest "high priest"
of a cult religion.  It's ok if the actor already knows and respects the
background mythos of a series, but probably even better if the actor
comes in with no preconceptions or biases, and lets the role develop.

As for conventioneering, I imagine that will come in time if the show
is a big success.  After all, it's part of the marketing of the show,
and widespread popular support is a great bargaining chip at contract
renewal time.

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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Chain of Command Pt.1 Thoughts: SPOILERS
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 92 16:04:30 EST

   I've just seen CoC pt.1 and read some (not all, yet) of the reviews and
comments; and I might as well add a few of my own before lunch.
   SPOILERS!!!!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
     I've read several posts that asks why send E crew as a suicide mission
team:  Good point.  Worf may be a logical candidate; Bev, GIVEN THAT PICARD
AND WORF ARE IN THE TEAM, would be a good choice; but that still leaves the
question: Why Picard?  The only answer I can come up with, is that the
female admiral is a plant from the Cardassians or a conspirator.
    I don't think Jellico is a conspirator, though.  Contrary to early
posts, he seemed fairly understandable.  He has been given a sudden command
of the flagship on a probably dangerous mission with minimal time to prepare.
The ship is in "civilian" status, and needs to be brought upto specs quickly.
He could not  go into a battle leading the crew when the crew is still reacting
to Picard; his other choice was to let Riker be the de-facto captain, in which
case, why  would Jellico be persuaded to move to Enterprise in the first place?
    As for Bev using her charms, it was more understated than the posts made
it seem.  Furthermore, given her reaction to the "metagenics" weaponery, the
loss of her dignity would not be exactly high on her list of priorities.
 
   But the last point:  In the last two (three) years, Picard has been
mindraped by the Borg, and now (will be) physically tortured by the Cardassians
AND they will drop him off on DS9 so Sisko will remind Picard that his
knowldege wiped out half the fleet, including Sisko's wife and his old friend,
the Admiral in BoBW.
   How much do you want to bet that Picard will start thinking more and more
about retiring from active Starfleet duties?
   Has Stewart's contract been renewed yet?
 
           Junsok Yang
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