HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: j-norstad@nwu.edu (John Norstad)
Subject: Re: NewsWatcher Woes
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 18:14:47 GMT

In article <BtM47H.725@hpbs654.boi.hp.com>, kmarko@hpbs654.boi.hp.com (Kurt
Marko) wrote:
> 
> One of the features about NewsWatcher 1.3 I particularly like is the
> ability to synchronize .newsrc files between the Mac and a Unix
> account (via the "Get Group List From Host..." menu item ).
> Unfortunately, every time I try and do this I get an error saying: "A
> server error occurred: 425 Can't build data connection: Can't assign
> requested address."  Every other aspect of NewsWatcher works fine, and
> I've had no other MacTcp-related problems on my system.  The machine
> I'm trying to access for my .newsrc is not the nntp server, but
> another workstation on which I have a user account.  The machine is
> running all of the standard Berkeley services including pcnfsd.
> Anyone have any clues?  Thanks in advance.

This sounds like a problem I need to investigate.

The get/put group list feature of NewsWatcher uses the FTP protocol. It
doesn't require either NNTP or NFS. The problem is also definitely not a
problem with NewsWatcher trying to resolve the domain name of the FTP
server - that would result in a different error message.

The problem appears to be with the FTP data stream connection. When I call
TCPPassiveOpen to create the data stream, I pass a value of 0 for the
"local TCP port" parameter. This tells MacTCP to assign an unused port
number. I then use the control stream to send a "PORT" command to the FTP
server to tell it which port number to use (the one assigned by MacTCP),
followed by an "RETR" or "STOR" command to start the actual data transfer. 

The server error number 425 is most likely being sent to NewsWatcher by the
FTP server in response to either the PORT or the RETR or STOR command. I'm
not quite sure what "Can't assign requested address" means. Is the server
objecting to the IP address in the PORT command, or to the port number?

In any case, I'm pretty sure I won't be able to solve this problem without
access to an FTP server which fails. I'd very much appreciate it if someone
who is experiencing this problem would write to me so we could work
together to try to find a solution.

It may be the case that the local TCP port value of 0 is a new feature of
MacTCP 1.1. In this case, MacTCP 1.0 or 1.0.1 won't work. I'll check into
this, and if it's true, I'll try to add a check to NewsWatcher for the
proper MacTCP version, and issue an alert if needed. In any case, I'll
mention the problem in the user doc.

Even if MacTCP 1.1 is required, this can't be the only problem, since other
people have reported the same error even with MacTCP 1.1. Again, I need
help to fix whatever is wrong.

If I can get access to an FTP host which fails reliably, I should be able
to isolate and fix the problem.

John Norstad
Academic Computing and Network Services
Northwestern University
j-norstad@nwu.edu
Xref: sparky comp.sys.mac.comm:8453 comp.os.vms:14289 comp.mail.misc:2840
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.os.vms,comp.mail.misc
Subject: Re: Reading VMS Mail from Macintosh
From: Jeff E Mandel <mandel@tmc.tulane.edu>
Date: 28 Aug 92 17:34:58 CDT

Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-1775]: mandel.anes.tulane.edu
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6C412ECCF013009@mandel.anes.tulane.edu>
X-Xxdate: Fri, 28 Aug 92 23:29:16 GMT
Organization: Tulane University School of Medicine
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:29:20 GMT

In article <2223@h.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu> Ramon J. Hontanon,
hontanon@a.cs.wvu.wvnet.edu writes:
>Does anybody know of a Mac application that will let me read/send mail
>from/to my VAX/VMS account?

The cheapest solution is to get IUPOP3 from logos.ucs.indiana.edu and
Eudora (multiple archives, including Sumex-aim). IUPOP3 runs under a
number of TCP/IP packages, including UCX. If you use a foreign mail
transport mechanism to get Internet mail to the VAX, you'll probably want
to hack the code that rewrites From: lines to make incoming mail
repliable. In any event, you'll need a C compiler.

Jeff E Mandel MD MS
Associate Professor of Anesthesiology
Tulane University School of Medicine
New Orleans, LA

mandel@vax.anes.tulane.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: lentz@reber.astro.nwu.edu (Robert A. Lentz)
Subject: Re: NewsWatcher Woes
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:42:04 GMT

In article <BtM47H.725@hpbs654.boi.hp.com> kmarko@hpbs654.boi.hp.com (Kurt Marko) writes:
>One of the features about NewsWatcher 1.3 I particularly like is the
>ability to synchronize .newsrc files between the Mac and a Unix
>account (via the "Get Group List From Host..." menu item ).
>Unfortunately, every time I try and do this I get an error saying: "A
>server error occurred: 425 Can't build data connection: Can't assign
>requested address."  Every other aspect of NewsWatcher works fine, and
>...

I had this problem too. Turned out to be due to still running MacTCP 1.0.
Make sure you are running 1.1 (you will have to do a "Get Info" from the
Finder as there does not appear to be any version display in the control
panel.) This also fixed a problem with Network Time...

-Robert Lentz
--
r-lentz@nwu.edu	        |"We're a rock-and-roll band and we'll bring down the
"Communism did not fall,|house the way Bill is going to bring down the country"
 It was pushed."        |   -Roger Clinton, on his band's plans to play at the
    -Jack Kemp          |    Inauguration if his half brother, Bill, wins.
From: mxmora@unix.SRI.COM (Matt Mora)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Re: Program to beep on mac when popmail arrives over unix needed
Date: 25 Aug 92 17:09:02 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, California

In article <86556@netnews.upenn.edu> george@mech.seas.upenn.edu writes:
>
>
>well, not everyone.  I found eudora's polling far too obtrusive.

What's obtrusive about it? The progress window? You can turn that option
off. You can set eudora to look for mail every minute if you want.

Anyway I believe that there is an init that comes with macpop that will
tell you when mail has arrived.

Matt



-- 
___________________________________________________________
Matthew Mora                |   my Mac  Matt_Mora@sri.com
SRI International           |  my unix  mxmora@unix.sri.com
___________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm,comp.mail.misc
From: rickert@mp.cs.niu.edu (Neil Rickert)
Subject: Re: return receipt
Organization: Northern Illinois University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:05:24 GMT

In article <26AUG199203093909@opal.mgh.harvard.edu> cherry@frodo.mgh.harvard.edu (Mike Cherry) writes:
>
>It may be no one's business to know when you read your mail, but
>read-receipts are important.

It is technically impossible to produce valid read receipts at this
time.  With a highly coercive mail program, the best the software can
do is verify that the message has been displayed on the screen.  It
cannot verify that it has been read.  Letting information scroll past
on the screen without reading it is a very common practice amongst
computer users.

>On many Unix systems you can determine if someone has read their mail by
>using finger.

No system has this capability.  At the most, finger can determine if
the mailbox has been read, but it cannot determine if the text of the
message has been read or if the reader was the intended recipient.  On
systems which support this, the mailbox is commonly read by the the
'in.comsat' program, so that the arrival of a new message to the mailbox
may result in the read date being updated, even though the user has not
done any mail reading.

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: Steinar.Moum@usit.uio.no (Steinar Moum)
Subject: Re: Sys7 and kinetics cards - incompatible?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: USIT, Universitetet i Oslo
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 11:22:50 GMT

In article <Tony.McDonald-020992094427@dale01.ncl.ac.uk>,
unregistered@newcastle.ac.uk (Tony McDonald) wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> We seem to be having some problems here with Kinetics cards (Etherport II
> on a Mac II and a card in an SE/30.
> 
> Installing system 7/7.0.1 on these machines prevents the ethernet
> connection from working. This was not the case using system 6.0.x.
> (Installing in this case means using the Apple universal ethernet
> installation disk)
> 
> Is there a known problem here, implying that a software patch is available
> to let us use system 7 and the kinetics cards, or are we going to have to
> use system 6 with these cards?
> 
I do not think Apples Universal Ethernet Innstallatin disk works here (as
it does for Asante-cards). Try anoymous ftp from shiva.com on the "dist"
directory. There you will find the relevant innstallation documents both
for the old Intel-based card (full length) and the newer half length-card.
Use some FTP-program like fetch and you will be in business.

Steinar Moum
USIT, Universitetet i Oslo
Postboks 1059 Blindern
0316 Oslo, Norway
Tel.: 02/85 24 89  (Resepsjon: 85 24 70)
Fax.: 02/85 27 30  (+47 2 85 27 30)
E-Mail: Steinar.Moum@usit.uio.no
Innlegget sendt med NewsWatcher 1.3d6
From: vpcsc11@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (student)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Please Help Us Stuff-It!
Summary: Teeth-gnashing, hair-pulling, anguish and pain
Keywords: Stuffit, Bin-Hex, Zmodem
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:31:07 GMT
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: San Francisco State University

For the last few days, a co-worker and I have been trying to
decode some shareware utilities for the Macintosh that we
downloaded from the Internet.  Something is going wrong and
we cannot for the life of us figure out why.

O.K.  First, we ftp'd to one of the macintosh archives (sumex-aim)
and grabbed a desired file with the suffix .sit.hqx.  We ftp'd
these as text files and did not set the transfer switch to binary.
Then, we downloaded the file from our internet account to the Mac
using the painfully slow Kermit protocol.  We did not set the
file type to binary.  

Once the file had been downloaded to our machine, we used Stuffit
1.5.1 to decode or un-BIN-HEX the file.  This worked O.K. and we
were left with a file with a .SIT extension that the Finder identified
as a Stuffit 1.5.1 document.  Then, we attempted to use Stuffit 1.5.1 
to uncompress this file.  Stuffit does not recognize this file as
a stuffit file and refuses to uncompress it.  

We've repeated this process with a few different files, using two
different communications programs and a variety of protocols.  We
keep ending up with a file that claims to be a stuffit document
that Stuffit 1.5.1 will not uncompress.

What are we doing wrong!?  Please address all replies to:

vpcsc11@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
From: Jeff@digtype.airage.com (Jeff Wasilko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Free/shareware SMTP-Quickmail gateway?
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 18:41:59 EST
Organization: Univ of Fnord; Roslyn's Cafe Div.
Reply-To: jeff@digtype.airage.com
Distribution: world
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


I remember seeing a post about a free or shareware SMTP-Quickmail
gateway available. 

I'd appreciate pointers to the name of this, and/or a FTP site that's
got it....

Thanksm

Jeff

--
Jeff's Oasis at Home.                   Jeff can also be reached at work at:
                                                        jwasilko@airage.com
"A system admin's life is a sorry one.  The only advantage he has over
Emergency Room doctors is that malpractice suits are rare.  On the other
hand, ER doctors never have to deal with patients installing new versions
of their own innards!"  -Michael O'Brien
From: Rob.Dewhirst@macrocosm.omahug.org (Rob Dewhirst)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: RE: Reading VMS Mail from Macintosh
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:21:33 CST
Reply-To: rob.dewhirst@macrocosm.omahug.org
Organization: The MacRocosm BBS, Lawrence, KS
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm


Ramon J. Hontanon writes in a message to All on 26 Aug 92:

 RJH> Does anybody know of a Mac application that will let me read/send 
 RJH> mail from/to my VAX/VMS account?

Are you on dialup or using a TCP/IP connected Mac?

Both Eudora and Techmail will let you do exactly what you want, assuming your
VMS machine supports POP. Try them out.
 
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: vpcsc11@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (student)
Subject: Z-Modem Difficulties
Organization: San Francisco State University
Distribution: comp.sys.mac.comm
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 00:49:57 GMT

My coworker and I are having a hard time using
Z-term to download a program from the Internet.
We are trying to use the zmodem protocol. 
At the unix prompt, we type: sz filename and 
press enter.  The "Z-modem receive" window
from Z-term pops on the screen for a few seconds, 
it is followed by a beep, and then it disappears.  We
have diddled with all of the zmodem parameters that
we can access in zterm, but to no avail.

On the UNIX side of things, we are using the Omen
Technology zmodem protocol.  It appears to be the
most recent version and was the only version of
zmodem that we found in the unix directory at 
the wuarchive.wustl.edu ftp site.

We've also tried to perform the download
with a communications program called 
MICROPHONE and encountered the same problem.  

If anyone has any suggestions, please e-mail them to:

	vpcsc11@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
From: bryanh@stout.gvg.tek.com (Bryan Hilterbrand)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: Wanted: terminal emulator/file xfer info
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:00:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA

These are a stupid, newbie questions, so hit 'n' now if those irritate
you...

First of all, please send me a FAQ list (if one exists) for this newsgroup!

I just got a Mac Powerbook 100 (I liiike it), and I need some information
on which terminal emulators/file transfer utilities are the best.

I have an external 1200 baud modem that I will be using for now, and I
will be updating to an external 9600 baud modem about six months from
now (external, because I have another computer that wants to use it
also...).  I'm on a limited budget right now, so I'm looking for freeware
or shareware.

I looked at the index from mac.archive.umich.edu, and I found a bunch
of packages that looked interesting.  I figured some of you probably
have some experience with these and can tell me which ones are better,
so that I don't have to download a ton of worthless stuff to get a
couple of useful applications:

	cclmodemtool1.0
	mackermit0.9997
	maclayers1.0
	multi.sit.hqxmultixfer
	qvt2.8
	terminal2.2
	termulator2.03
	termy2.0
	zterm0.9

Is there any gotcha's for running these programs?  Do I need anything
else (software-wise) to run these?  I've heard there are problems at
9600 baud with Powerbooks; are there any work-arounds?  Any other tips
would be most appreciated!

Post if you think this is a topic of interest to all, and I will post a
summary of E-mail answers later.

Thanks in advance,
Bryan


Bryan Hilterbrand      bryanh@stout.GVG.TEK.COM  |     /\  /\
Grass Valley Group, Production Systems Division  |  __/ G\/G \__
From: mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Gertz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
Subject: MacTCP 1.1:  Problems after cold boot, but not warm boot...
Date: 28 Aug 92 16:58:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BtpDtz.9FH.1
Organization: Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon

I'm running Sys 7.0 (with all the current extensions and updates) on a
Mac IIci which has MacTCP 1.01and an Asante NuBus Ethercard (thick/thin,
16 kB).  I have about a dozen other extensions in the system, including
After Dark and Norton Utilities.

When I start up my Mac in the morning and try to run my communications
software (MacIP 4.0.1), I get a "failure to initialize server."  After
restarting by choosing "Restart" from the Finder, and then running the
communications software, I find that it works -- it connects to my
ethernet server normally, and I can telnet and ftp as much as I like.
This happens every day, no exceptions.

Is there some different way in which a cold startup differs from a warm
startup?  Perhaps something that I could change (i.e. perhaps rearranging
extensions, etc)?  I'd like not to have to boot my system twice every morning,
and leaving it on overnight is not an option (not that it would help --
everytime the campus ethernet hiccups, my Mac locks up).  I have no
documentation -- CMU has a site license to distribute MacTCP to all of us
who work here, but neglects to give us much instruction on its use.

Please e-mail any suggestions.  Thanks.
-- 
Matt Gertz, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu
Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon University.



-- 
Matt Gertz, mwgertz+@cs.cmu.edu
Dept. of ECE, The Robotics Institute at Carnegie Mellon University.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: peter@cujo.curtin.edu.au (Peter N Lewis)
Subject: ARA logout trashes MacTCP?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: NCRPDA, Curtin University
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 05:10:21 GMT

Hi All,

I'm told by an FTPd user that since he installed ARA on the Mac with FTPd,
after he logs in and logs out with ARA, FTPd stops receiving connections. 
Further tests showed that Telnet's server and Chat also stopped receiving
connections, and that Telnet could not connect out of the mac once the ARA
session had been logged out.  Logging back into ARA fixes the problem.  Has
anyone else experienced this?  I don't have ARA so I can't duplicate it,
can anyone else confirm or deny the above?  It looks like perhaps ARA
closes a few too many things when it logs out, its difficult to tell
without actually having ARA :)

Thanks,
   Peter.

_______________________________________________________________________
Peter N Lewis, NCRPDA, Curtin University       peter@cujo.curtin.edu.au
GPO Box U1987, Perth WA 6001, AUSTRALIA             FAX: +61 9 367 8141
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: spw@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Steven P Wilkinson)
Subject: ARA Script for Maestro SuperExec Modem
Summary: Script wanted for ARA on Maestro modem
Keywords: ARA Script
Organization: University of Western Australia
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 01:46:03 GMT

Hello everyone,

Does anyone have an Appletalk Remote Access script for the Australian
made Maestro SuperExec Modem. Failing that, where can I find info on
hacking some other script to suit.

Thanks in advance,

Steve

__________________________________________________________________________

Steven Wilkinson
Scientific Officer
 
University of Western Australia
Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology       Phone  (09) 340 1463
Bagot Road, SUBIACO                            Fax    (09) 388 3414
Western Australia 6008                         Email 
spw@uniwa.uwa.edu.au
 
__________________________________________________________________________


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: j-norstad@nwu.edu (John Norstad)
Subject: Re: NewsWatcher : alphabetical order of newsgroup ?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.comm
Organization: Northwestern University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:47:59 GMT

In article <lkingsley-270892125108@lkingsley.crd.ge.com>,
lkingsley@crd.ge.com (Lorne J. Kingsley) wrote:
> 
> In article <iscjcw-260892144700@ajax.ucop.edu>, iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu
> (Jerry Wilcox) wrote:
> > 
> > In article <knguyen-260892142413@knguyen.emr.ca>, knguyen@emr.ca (Khanh Kim
> > Nguyen) wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi, I am using NewsWatcher 1.3d5. I often update new newsgroups in my list
> > > of newsgroup. During updating, new newsgroups usually go to the bottom of
> > > the list, so I have to arrange manually the list. 
> > > My question : Is there a feature I miss in NewsWatcher which helps me to
> > > get the alphabetical order for the list automatically ?
> > > 
> > > Khanh Kim Nguyen
> > > internet : knguyen@emr.ca
> > > cc:mail: knguyen@cc2smtp.emr.ca
> > > bitnet : knguyen@EMRCAN.BITNET
> > 
> > As far as I know, no, there is no such option. I don't, in fact, want my
> > subscribed groups in alphabetical order - I want them in the order I have
> > them arranged, so that when I read news I will (1) get the groups I've
> > given highest priority to, first; and (2) can leave the "bottom" groups go
> > unread if I'm pressed for time.
> > -----------
> > Jerry Wilcox - iscjcw@uccvma.ucop.edu
> > All opinions expressed are MINE -- I'd have a different job if the
> > University wanted me to speak for it.
> 
> Well, OK, maybe that's what you want, but I think there should be an option
> to alphabetize the group list. I agree with the original poster on this
> one. Often I add subgroups to my group window, and the subgroup doesn't
> appear near the others in that subgroup. E.g.,  I subscribe to
> comp.sys.mac.comm, and want to later add comp.sys.mac.apps. If I do it, it
> appears at the bottom of the list. Not what I want.
> 
> Oh well, John Norstad is continually updating the app, so maybe that's in
> the future.

When you drag a newsgroup from the full group list or from the new groups
list into a user group list window, NewsWatcher currently puts the new
group at the end of the list. You then have to manually drag the new group
to whatever location you prefer in the list.

I hope to improve this in a number of ways. First, NewsWatcher will place
the new group at the position you drop it, rather than always putting it at
the end. This should save a step. Second, I want to improve the visual
feedback during dragging by displaying a bold line at the target location
(kind of like ResEdit's menu editor). 

I do not currently have any plans to offer an option to keep user group
lists sorted in alphabetical order.

John Norstad
Academic Computing and Network Services
Northwestern University
j-norstad@nwu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.comm
From: mark_silbernagel@mentorg.com
Subject: Re: return receipt
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 23:13:56 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics Corporation

In article <1992Aug25.212140.23286@qualcomm.com> sdorner@qualcom.qualcomm.com
(Steve Dorner) writes:
>dplatt@ntg.com (Dave Platt) writes:
>>The advantages to the sendmail approach are
>>[1] It's difficult for the recipient to subvert the
>>    receipt process (i.e. prevent the receipt from being returned to
>>     the sender).
>>[2] If the recipient later claims that the mail was never
>>    received, the sender can point to the fact that it _was_ delivered
>
>Ah, now I understand.  Good points, both.
>
>>What I
>>might do, is implement both - uupc would send back a "delivery receipt"
>>when the message is delivered locally, and Fernmail would pop up an
>>"auto-reply" window when the user read the message.
>
>I *like* this plan.  I *like* it a lot.

As do I. 

Note that my original request was simply to allow the insertion
of the requisite header so that messages I send get acknowledged as 
delivered, read, etc. If you go the next step and allow, as you've
suggested in another note, user configurable read acks then all the 
better.

Mark Silbernagel                |
Mentor Graphics Corporation     | ...Don't let the sands of time
8005 S.W. Boeckman Road         |    get in your shorts      ;')
Wilsonville, OR  97070-7777     |
(503) 685-4738                  |    mark_silbernagel@mentorg.com