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From: pagorm@iastate.edu (Paul A Gormley)
Subject: Re: Iowa-Indiana thoughts
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:48:54 GMT

	Just thought I'd throw my $.02 in.  Here's a great opportunity for
the Hawks to schedule some decent teams in the pre-season!  Get
someone other than ARMY CADETS?, valparaiso, and the St. Louis School
of Hairstyling to come and play in the Amana-Hawkeye classic.  I am
from Amana, Ia, and am just disgusted to have the company and my town
in any way related to that incredibly mismatched "tourny".  There, you
could quickly put two DECENT teams in the schedule with that simple
move.  The LADY Hawks do this in the women's version of the classic
or at least have done this for several years.  Of course, they really 
want to play somebody that will challenge them! Please do not defend
the Iowa schedule with this lame excuse of "tough to schedule good
teams with such a time constraint".  It just doesn't wash.

						See ya,
						Go 'Clones
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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Now I know why they make fun of Illinois
Organization: American Math. Society
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:57:13 GMT

In article <C0otu7.7o7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna) writes:

   >In article <OLIVER.93Jan11040740@ballard1.mit.edu> oliver@athena.mit.edu (James D. Oliver III) writes:
   >>
   >>Glenn Robinson will never be a big-time player until he learns that it's
   >>the 90s and he has to wear shorter socks.  What's next, an Afro?
   >>____________________________
   >>	Jim Oliver  
   >>	oliver@athena.mit.edu /	joliver@hstbme.mit.edu
   >>	oliver%mitwccf.BITNET@MITVMA.MIT.EDU


   >And you will be never taken seriously until you stop posting ridiculous
   >irrelevant articles.

And you will never have a good time unless you develop a sense of
humour.


-Alan Harder                
 Go Blue!                   

 My opinions are not the opinions of the American Mathematical Society.
 Did you think they were?


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From: ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP)
Subject: Re: WAC Powers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: University of Utah Computer Center
Date:  5 Jan 1993 18:59 MST  

In article <1993Jan5.175741.1@cc.uvcc.edu>, maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu writes...
{From this weekend's games between four of the WAC powers 
{I draw some conclusions...
{ 
{New Mexico starts road trips slowly and end up playing over
{their heads...
{(lost first game by 33 and the second by only 14)
{ 
{UTEP starts road trips out with a bang and then ends
{the trip with less intensity...
{(lost first game by only 7 and lost second game by 21)
{ 
{Utah always catches teams at their worst...
{ 
{BYU always catches teams at their best...
{ 
{arthur

From your conclusion I conclude that you don't know diddly about New Mexico,
UTEP, or Utah.

Don Haskins is a great coach and prepares his teams very well for the first
game of an away trip.  If they lose, they usually win the second, or lose
by very slim margins.  Utah hasn't beaten UTEP by such a large margin in
as long as anyone can remember.

New Mexico is a very streaky shooting team.  They also have great athletes.
If you match up with them and hold them down then they lose their composure.
If they are in the game the whole way then they will kill you.

Utah is always well prepared for a team on its first leg (i.e. the thursday
game of a Thurs/Sat swing or whatever may be the case) due to the Maji's
fine team prep and game plan.  Even without Rick, Cravens was able to execute
the game plan to perfection.  Utah is also showing that good defense will
win games, even when you aren't an offensive powerhouse.

BYU is simply overpowering teams.  They can play good and beat good teams, or
play like crap and beat crap teams.  They simply have alot of tools to use.
Trost is also playing like the all-WAC player he should be.  Additionally,
Roger Reid is showing that he can circle the wagons on a day when BYU isn't 
in good form and come out with a win.

Summarry:
	*This doesn't give any clue to how the teams will play on Saturday.
	*UTEP and NM played away games - they are deadly at home!!
	* Both games were wins for BYU and UTAH - thats all that counts.

-Eric
ewstroup@cc.utah.edu



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From: DEHP@calvin.edu (Phil de Haan)
Subject: Re: Team mascots/nicknames
Organization: Calvin College
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:15:14 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.205815.12078@engage.pko.dec.com> rollins_r@mims.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes:

>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>^  Dr. Jeffrey Neil Burch                   jb118@prism.gatech.edu    ^
>>^  Georgia Tech Research Institute                                    ^ 
>>^  Electro-Optics and Physical Sciences Laboratory                    ^
>>^  Atlanta, Georgia                                                   ^
>>^  30332         Sometimes life is like a broken pencil - pointless.  ^
>>^  404-894-3628                                                       ^
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> 

> Thanks so much.  Would that book happen to have a nickname for Puget Sound ?


Loggers and Lady Loggers.  Seriously!


+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Phil de Haan (DoD #0578)            +     We find comfort among those who
Calvin College:  Home of the 1992   +       agree with us -- growth among
NCAA III men's hoops champions      +    those who don't.  Frank A. Clark
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: UNC vs NCSU
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:58:33 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 8950@mailer.cc.fsu.edu, kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>In article <29499@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>>
>> >UNC 100 NCSU 67.   To make matters worse, what you heard is correct.
>> >As if NCSU didn't have enough problems this season, they now have
>> >three players declared academically ineligible this season.  Looks
>> >like they'll play the role of ACC doormat this season.  I forgot who
>> >the players were, but included their #4 and #5 scorers.
>>
>>Is Les Robinson's job in jeporady?  I've noticed that he has done poorly
>>in recruiting lately; I don't think he snatched a single top 150 player 
>>(this is hard to believe).  If this is true, then it looks like NCSU
>>is going to be the ACC doormat for some years to come.
>>
>>Can anyone please explain what is happening with the basketball program 
>>at NCSU?
>
>Yeah, I know what's happening, the school has shifted its focus on getting
>itself a good football team...and they have done a pretty damn good job of it
>too (if it wasn't for FSU, NCSU would have been ACC champ this year...and 
>would have gone to the Orange Bowl). Just look at Clemson, for years they have
>focused on FB, and thier BB team has been a doormat as a result. It is _very_
>difficult for a school to have both a top BB team AND a top FB team, as NCSU
>is finding out. Of course, I could be totally wrong. It could be that they
>just need to get themselves a new coach....where did that Valvano guy go?
>
>>

So Kevin, how does Florida State maintain top 20 Football, Basketball, and
Baseball teams if it is so difficult to maintain more than 1 top program?
Seems to me there would be little relationship between programs (unless of
course you have a 2 sport star like Charlie Ward!).  I guess it is a matter,
for most schools, of having only so much money to spend and you have to 
decide which program gets more resources.  But at FSU, there seems to be
enough money for top programs in all 3 major sports.  Seems like I recall
reading once that FSU's baseball program is one of the few college baseball
programs in the country which is self-supporting because they get fairly good 
fan support.

D. Head
FSU '91


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From: robert@world.std.com (Robert Sadowski)
Subject: Hawaii/SDSU score ?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:22:03 GMT



Has anyone got one ? Much too late for the East coast papers...

==
Robert Sadowski
robert@world.std.com
From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Hurley vs. G-Tech
Date: 11 Jan 93 21:08:30 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Why do the Tech fans pick on Hurley?  Well, probably because we're sick and 
tired of hearing about him all the time.  The press is inundated with articles
about Hurley is so much better than everyone else that he is #1 and the next
guy is probably #5 or something.  It gets annoying never hearing about Travis
Best AT ALL.  I can't help but think that if Kenny Anderson hadn't gone pro,
we wouldn't be hearing squat about Hurley.  Personally, I thought that a 
couple years ago Hurley wasn't even the best point at Duke, never mind the ACC,
and just forget about the country.  Has McCaffrey done much at Vandy?  But back
to Hurley, he had that whiny look on his face all throughout his freshman year
and complained about every call.  Besides, you need a two syllable name to
chant to mock someone anyway.  Ferry and Hurley fit the bill.  You couldn't
really deride Meek, Clark, or Parks by just starting a chant.  BTW, did 
CBS happen to say why Parks spent so much time on the bench?  I was curious
as to if they had to protect the floor from his knuckles scraping it, or if
he was drooling too much so they had to bench so as not to overwork the
towel boys.
-- 
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From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: FSU - Andre Reid
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 14:08:04 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division


I think I put a question on the net before the Christmas holidays regarding
the status of Andre Reid.  I wasn't around the office for almost 2 weeks so
if the answer came I missed it.  Is he out for the season?  I have no clue
as to what sort of injury he has.  FSU has already lost one starter for the
season and I just haven't heard what is wrong with Reid. 

Now I just hope that Doug Edwards' thumb gets better fast and Charlie Ward can
get back into basketball shape quicker than expected or the ACC will feast on
the 'Noles this year!

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From: wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley)
Subject: Re: Trivia - woof - anti-woof
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:59:52 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

jgw@acpub.duke.edu (JAMES WELCH) writes:
: 
: I'll add that I'd take our 23 wins over UNLV's 29 anytime.  One of those
: wins being our second straight National Championship, something UNLV wouldn't
: know about.
: 

Our?!?  Funny, I don't remember seeing this name in any of the rosters or
box scores.  Tell me James, what position do you play?  Or are you a manager?
This is a trend that has always bothered me.  Sorry, just had to call some-
one on it.  No hard feelings?

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Walt Maley    | 'God, what a mess, on the ladder of success.  Where you take
Chemist II    |  one step and miss the whole first rung.'  Paul Westerberg
wmaley@alchemy|  
uhl.uiowa.edu|       *Setters do it with their hands*  ;-)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary L. Newell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: WAC Powers
Date: 6 Jan 93 08:59:12 GMT
Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson

In article <5JAN199318591177@cc.utah.edu>, ewstroup@cc.utah.edu (ERIC W. STROUP) writes:
Bo
Hmmm.. excuse me but isn't this the same BYU that lost to OSU and Oregon???
I may very well have misread the scores but if this is the case then I think
you might want to rethink your analysis. OSU and UO have been anything but 
strong thus far and are not expected to be contenders for the pac-10 crown - ok
so maybbe OSU is but they sure haven't shown it.....
From: marty@Shiva.COM (Marty Del Vecchio)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Trivia - woof - anti-woof
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:46:00 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.college
Organization: Shiva Corporation, Cambridge, Ma, USA

In article <8399@news.duke.edu> jgw@acpub.duke.edu (JAMES WELCH) writes:
>
>I read in the "little" Durham Morning "paper" that the longest current
>winning streak belongs to UNLV at 29 games, the second to Duke at 23 games,
>and in third place is .... (aw I'll let you guess) :-)
>
>Anybody know ?
>
>
	
Virginia, at 13.  This was on the UVa-FSU game on ESPN, which is probably
where the newspaper got it.



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From: quay@engin.umich.edu (bryan scott luedy)
Subject: Re: UM-Purdue TV?
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 93 15:23:45 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

I think Purdue finished with 39%.  Michigan with 49%.
Purdue got by with the tres early and some hustle in
the second half but had a hard time when Robinson was
out and Riley (UM) was in.  I think Howard's shooting
at the end is what really made the difference.  That
and, as you say, the rebounds.  Michigan had quite a
few put-backs.
 
--
Bryan.Luedy@um.cc.umich.edu
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From: niceswangern@bvc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Iowa-Indiana thoughts
Date: 10 Jan 93 13:22:27 CST
Organization: Buena Vista College, Storm Lake, IA

In article <1993Jan8.154935.9708@iscsvax.uni.edu>, baker2668@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> In article <1993Jan8.195357.3343@news.uiowa.edu>, wmaley@alchemy.uhl.uiowa.edu (Walt Maley) writes:
>> mfrwq@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Robert W. Quesal) writes:
>> : 
>> : Perhaps the Hawks looked so bad because this was their first game
>> : against a team with any talent.  Their nonconference schedule was a
>> : joke--no way to get ready for the Big 10.  They'll probably have a long
>> 
>> You are correct sir!  We have a winner!  No one is advocating playing every
>> single member of the top 10 on their own home courts, but would it really 
>> hurt to schedule 3-4 legitimate top 20 teams?  I suspect if the NCAA ever
>> gets away from the magic '20 wins to the tourney' formula regardless of who
>> you beat, maybe we will see this.  In Iowa's defense (something I really 
>> hate to do) Indiana did look pretty bad as well.  Could Iowa have had some
>> thing to do with this?
> 
> A couple of things.  The pushing back of the season's start until December 1
> makes it difficult to schedule top-notch teams because of limited slots.
> Also, Iowa does have on their non-conference schedule a Iowa State team
> (pre-season top 20) and Duke.  Once again the limited preseason time forced
> that game to be held in January.  Iowa always schedules one of the pre season
> tournaments (Maui, Great Alskan, NIT...) This year they went to the San Juan
> Shootout and they cannot be blamed for the other teams that were invited
> there.  So Tom Davis usually schedules a tough assignment (witness Duke, North
> Carolina, Arizona...) Iowa State and a pre-conference Tourney.  Not that
> challenging but certainly not the worst
> 
> BB

So Iowa has to resort to playing teams like Central Connecticut State and 
every other team in the nation with four words or more in their name?!?!?!  
C'mon, this is a joke.  Iowa is enough of a power to attract some good 
opposition.  True, Duke will certainly be a challenge - and I certainly 
hope that they beat the Blue Dorks.  But racking up a 17-0 preseason record
against no-names is not going to help them in the Big Ten.  Can you say "Bye
Bye Top 25"?

				    Nate N.
				    Somers, Iowa, U.S.A.
From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re:  UNC vs NCSU
Date: 8 Jan 93 22:06:30 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA


	So, how is Phelps shooting for the year, anyway?  Still around 45%?

--
gharris@jade.tufts.edu          
George W. Harris              	"He'd kill us if he had the chance."  
Dept. of Mathematics            
Tufts University              			The Conversation  
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From: creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Steve Creps)
Subject: Re: Biased Fans / Bad Refs
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 16:35:18 GMT

In article <1ifk07INNglh@shelley.u.washington.edu> crs@stein.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes:
>saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders) writes:
>
>>In my experience, fans that boo "bad" calls are wrong at least 2/3 of the
>>time.  I used to think that it was that they were trying to sway the refs,
>>but in reality, I now think they are blind or stupid.
>
>Welcome, Mr. Cheesehead, to Philosophy 101  Reality and Perception.  The 
>syllabus before you will explain the topics to be covered this quarter:

   I think Brian would probably rather be called "Mr. Moo Moo" than
"Mr. Cheesehead."  He went to Purdue, you know.

   Now that I think about it, you need cows to make most cheese.
Eureka!

-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Steve Creps, Indiana University
creps@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
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From: dwarner@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: More Duke anti-woofing?
Organization: Blue Riddle Productions
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:35:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec22.184646.10192@seq.uncwil.edu> harveyc chet x writes:
> Duke's a good team, a great team; but no way will they beat Carolina
> by 35+points. You must be sitting a little to high over in Cameron.

Methinks another has fallen victim to a Chapel Hill anti-woof. (Then again,
where have I been over the holidays?)

> Take Carolina and any other team in the country (both have good games)
> and UNC will come out on top. Dean knows how to win, 

Why do I keep hearing "Hail To The Victors" in my head after reading this?

> his record proves
> that, and with STACHOUSE coming in next year the tradition will  
> continue. Yet another 20+ games won, ain't it great. 8-) 

I'd rather win 18 and go to the Final Four.  =^)
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From: jmk.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Jim Kirkman)
Subject: Re: UNC effect???
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:40:50 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.191426.13676@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
>I
>>Could this have been the year that Florida State came out of nowhere to make
>>it to the NCAA finals?  I know FSU played UCLA for the NC in (I think) 1971
>>and lost by 5 points.  Did they go through UNC to get there?
>
>In 1971, FSU beat UNC 79-75 in the Final Four.
>
AARRGH!! What Tar Heel Fan can forget little Otto Petty! My only
consolation is that at 5'6" I could identify with the 
'little man!'
L.P.
-- 
>Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
>Bell Northern Research, Inc.
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: Trivia Question
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 02:07:47 GMT

In article <8445@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
> 
> But do you know who the only other non-com teams to beat
> Duke at home under Coach K are? Hints to follow.
> 
> There are three of them.
> 
> All three came in the 81-82 and 82-83 seasons.  One was a season-opening
> loss.

One is Wagner.  I won't spoil the fun with the other two, but 
will go on to say that it is their only meeting.  Recently, it
seems as if Duke is trying to schedule non-conference games with
teams they trail in all time series...more info on this if anybody
is interested.

OD

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From: jeffy@cray.com (Jeffrey Neau)
Subject: Re: ACC Update
Keywords: ??
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:01:32 CST

In article <726523541@stego.cs.duke.edu> rws@duke.cs.duke.edu (Ronnie W. Smith) writes:
>DUKE ROOLZ!!!
>DUKE ROOLZ!!!
>DUKE ROOLZ!!!
>DUKE ROOLZ!!!
>DUKE ROOLZ!!!
>DUKE ROOLZ!!!
>DUKE ROOLZ!!!
>DUKE ROOLZ!!!
>
>
>If you don't want to see this three times a week, then someone volunteer
>to start doing updates.

Guess we won't be seeing this three times a week...

Jeff
From: gharris@jade.tufts.edu (George W. Harris)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: B. Knight transfers
Keywords: Knight, Indiana, Malcom Sims
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:32:37 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

In article <C0GKn4.5y2@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wlmg3055@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William L. Myers) writes:
>Since it is accepted wisdom in some circles that Bob works miracles
>with little talent, I was wondering.  Could a coach build a National
>Championship team from Knight players who transfered or left?
>Here is my list.   Can you make additions?  
>
>Imaginary lineup 
>
>	<line-up deleted>
>
>Does ISU coach Bob Bender belong here too? 

	Yes he does.  He was on the Indiana team that won the nat'l championship
in '76, but then transfered to Duke and was on their Final Four team in '78.  I
believe he may be the only player to go to the Final Four for two different 
teams.

	How're the Redbirds doing, by the by?

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George W. Harris              	"He'd kill us if he had the chance."  
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Tufts University              			The Conversation  
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From: markham@brtph597.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Rasheed Wallace status?
Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:10:03 GMT

Anyone has heard anything about Rasheed Wallace lately?

I know he narrowed down his list to 4 (UNC, Ohio State, Villanova and 
Georgetown - I think), but haven't heard anything else (except from a 
reliable source that mentioned he is leaning heavily the 'Nova way).

Also, what are the dates governing when players can announce in the spring?

-- 
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