From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu ("Phil G. Fraering")
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Subject: Re: Population here and elsewhere?
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:26:22 GMT
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>     With the relatively low priority and lack of basic understanding
>of our environment shown by most on this board;it is indeed merciful
>that none are actively in this area.

Excuse the hell out of me, but it has become apparent to many of
the people on this board, myself included, that many people of a
certian political mindset are needlessly condemning anyone who
disagrees with their agenda as not caring about the enviornment.
We do care about the enviornment. We just don't care too much about
power. Or more appropriately, we care greatly about the absence of
power.

>What does bringing back dinosaurs have to do with such a critical
>human dilemma as uncontrolled population growth.

About the same as population growth has to do with 1992QB-1, which
I personally would rather be reading about.

>Persons who ecourage such
>must either be quite ignorant of the future consequences or so insensitive
>to the situation that reason eludes them.

I would suspect that you are insensitive to the logic in Paul
Dietz's posts, which argue that many of the problems currently
attributed to overpopulation actually have other causes, independently
of whether population is a problem or not; also that population
growth varies inversely with standard of living, so raising people's
(specifically the female people's) standard of living and expectation
of treatment for themselves and their children would do a lot to
slow down if not reverse population growth.

You also seem to be insensitive to some of the real reasons for
high fecundity: these people are only one or so generations removed
from a time when you had to have a lot of kids, to insure the sur-
vival of a few. As good medical services become more widespread,
this ought to become less of a problem.

>Rush Limbaugh was quoted recently as stating that population growth
>was a "phoney" issue since if we move the entire world pouplation
>as it exists presently, to the state of Texas the human density would
>equal that of New York City. Pooh.. Pooh.. population growth and the
>environment are a ploy of the liberals!

I have never talked about Rush Limbaugh. I suspect you are because
you can make a fool out of him and by proxy imply that Paul Dietz
is a fool since they both have the same conclusion, even though they
have different premises. I don't see you disputing Dr. Dietz's 
statements... I can send you some of them if you want. I have them
on file. 

Then you will have to face the real issues, instead of the straw
man you constructed from the admittedly satirical statements of
a radio talk show host.

Oh, I keep forgetting: actors and talk show hosts are supposed to
be real experts on the enviornment these days, esp. if they agree
with all the correct politicians...

>Aside from the fact that Limbaugh is a pompus donkey;the truly frightening
>part is he has so many mindless idolators in his ranks.

Hell, I don't even listen to Rush. It isn't worth the trouble. Could
you talk about the issues instead of personal attacks for once?

I think I know the reason behind some of his satire, though:

I guess he finds it really funny that people like you who think that
only those 100 % in agreement with you *CARE* get upset about the
things he says which are clearly satire.

>Yes, if he had his way I'm sure Earth would become the planet Gideon.

Actually, wouldn't he want the solar system called the Limbaugh
system? Pity, it should be called the Fraering system instead. You can
name the planets whatever you want. I'm easy to live with. Not like
some people.

>                     Gary E. Davis WQ1F (On AO13)
>        University of Vermont  Land Liner's dial 802-656-1916
> References " The Joys of Rumination Without The Cud", Elsie circa 1965

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