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From: scemg@thor.cf.ac.uk (M.G)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Sddam and the Environment
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:48:46 GMT
Organization: University of Wales College of Cardiff, Cardiff, Wales, UK
X-Mailer: Cardiff Computing Maths PP Mail Open News Gateway

From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Gulf War oil pollution less severe than thought
Mr Sehari writes:

I wonder what would be the environmental damage, if Saddam had nuclear and 
biological weapons!  I guess, all the middle east would have gone up in the 
smoke.
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Nothing, nothing at all. Saddam do not dare to use Chemical or Biological
weapons on the allied forces and you know very well WHY.
This SCUM is a servant of the U.S.A.
He is in power to serve U.S.A interest that is all.
He do what his MASTER BUSH telling him to do and just listen and obey.

M.G.
Cardiff, Wales, U.K.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: Bosnian Muslims
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 06:19:44 GMT


In article <20399@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bakken@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Bakken) writes:
>
>In Bosnia you have what is in effect a civil war, the premature
>recognitions of the Yugoslav republics notwithstanding.  Getting
>involved in a civil war is a very different matter from making
>Saddam disgorge Kuwait.  Is this such a hard concept to grasp?

Wasting time on whether the conflict is a civil war or an invasion
of a soverign state doesn't change the reality of the sufferring 
due to ethnic cleansing, rampant rape of women, and death camps.  
However, since you brought up this semantic argument, it's worth 
pointing out that most Western countries, including the U.S., have 
recognized Bosnia Herzegovina as a sovereign state.  So, technically 
speaking, from the Western standpoint, the conflict is an invasion of 
a soevereign state.

Behnam Sadeghi

Disclaimer:  I am not asking the West to get directly involved in
the conflict militarily.
From: nabil@ncrcol.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Nabil Idriss)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: UNION BETWEEN IRAQ AND SYRIA
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:02:29 GMT
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC.

In article <38439@imag.imag.fr> oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:
>Well, i guess this M.G guy is just A BIGOT.
>
>: ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>  Listen, if you don't dare to give your name then shut up. You are the
>  worst hate monger who ever appeared on this forum. You start by insulting
>  Palestinians, then now you come to Christians, maybe in a week you'll
>  start to attack sunnis. And you hope you'll create enough division with
>  you hate stuff. So i suggest you leave us alone, OTHERWISE..........
>  (some time i have reaaaaaaaly very nasty ideas when it comes to racist
>  bigots like you).
>
>
>  PS: I'm not sorry for flamming you, i'm sorry because i can't do more than
>  that.
>--

Don't worry, with a bustard like this it is O.K. to flame. Don't waste your time
with him, It looks like he enjoy being cussed out. His name is as phony as his 
email address which bounces back.
>Sham(u) ya tha (s)seif(u) lam yaghib(i) | Ibaa Oueichek. oueichek@imag.imag.fr
>    Ya jamal(al) majd(i) fi(l) kutub(i) | LABORATOIRE 	BULL-IMAG
>Kablak(i) (t)tareekh(u) fi thulmaten    | Grenoble. 
>    Baadak(i) staula ala (sh)shuhub(i)  |
>					


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From: jn1a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jad Nehme)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: UNION BETWEEN IRAQ AND SYRIA
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:14:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YeWxjb600io583b28S
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.arabic: 13-Aug-92 If Saddam were smart
and pa.. sid-darth vader@remus.ru (1011)

>	If Saddam were truly smart and considered
>himself an Arab first he would resign in favor of
>Iraq merging into Syria

	Weren't there talks about doing that a while back?  What I have heard
is that Saddam actually offered the merge- he just made sure that the
conditions put upon the election of the government would favor him. 
Anyone knows  anything about it or have any reference?
	I actually wonder what Saddam's reaction would be if the opportunity
for a merge occured.
	
Jad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.greek,soc.culture.bulgaria,talk.politics.soviet,soc.culture.turkish,alt.war
From: aahsan@pyramid.COM (Agha Ahsan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.lebanon,soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.turkish
Subject: Re: Bosnia
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:20:11 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View, California


	There will also be a demonstration to protest the
	situation in Bosnia in front of the SanJose
	City Hall on N. 1st street on Saturday, Aug 15th
	at noon.
From: shamma@ccu.umanitoba.ca ()
Subject: NEW GENOCIDE IN BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 03:20:22 GMT

====================================================================

                 Human Concern International (HCI)



                NEW GENOCIDE IN BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA


During World War II, Bosnians were subjected to the  worst  geno-
cide  in  their  history.  Over 120,000 Muslims were slaughtered.
Women were molested, raped, tortured, disfigured  and  mutilated.
Little  Children  were  smashed  against  rocks and burned alive.
Young, old and frail men were hacked to death.

Today, history is being repeated. This time to punish the  people
of Bosnia-Herzegovina for the mere reason that they opted for in-
dependence from the Serbian  dominated  Yugoslav  Federation  and
claimed their birth right to self-rule and self-determination.

While the whole world, under the "NEW WORLD ORDER", watches  this
naked  aggression  against  the innocent men, women and children,
the atrocities continue during which


 * City of sarajevo is besieged
 * Concentration camps are established
 * Thousands of people are forcibly transported to these camps in
   cattle cars
 * Forced deportation of civilians continues
 * people are forced to sign documents renouncing their property
 * Thousnads of innocent civilians have been maimed and killed
 * Thousands have taken asylum as strangers in strange places
 * Tens of Thousands have become displaced in their own country
 * Convoys carrying orphans children are shelled
 * Mourners in graveyards are targeted and killed


There are chilling similarities between the events  of  1942  and
1992, then and now. A new genocide of the Bosnians is in the mak-
ing. Don't watch this genocide, the  tide  of  human  misery,  in
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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wednesday, 12 Aug 1992 13:38:54 CDT
From: <U53048@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: arabic music lover needs info

hi  I am an american who is trying to find some names of arabic singers and pla
ces I can buy their recordings.  Also, I once heard a female singer in Cairo (a
 tape) and apparently she is the most famous Egyptian singer, but I don't know
her name.  Any information would be much appreciated.

                                                     Salaam,
                                                             Don
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: rached@sample.eng.ohio-state.edu (Rached Zantout)
Subject: Re: MONITOR:soc.culture.arabic
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 01:37:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.084932.6808@imag.fr>, oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek) writes:
> Fisrt : I really don't appreciate the idea of "monitoring" a newsgroup. It has a
> positive side of telling others who don't have time to read that group if there
> is something interesting. But the negative side is that a parallel discussion 
> may be held in s.r.Islam about what we have written without our knowledge. 
> Sometimes it's frustrating. So please, Mr Zantout, when you are sending a copy
> to our friends at s.r.I, just tell them we are insterested in their feedback.
> 

The idea of monitoring newsgroups for articles about Islam was proposed earlier
on S.R.I. by a fellow netter. The idea behind it was that S.R.I.'s readership is
supposed to contain the most knowlegeable netters about Islam. Now if an article
that touches Islam in one way or another appears in the newsgroup that I am 
monitoring, I repost it to S.R.I. with the subject indicating clearly that it is
from the MONITOR of the newsgroup (who is not a moderator). The procedure
explained earlier on S.R.I. asked the brothers and sisters that read S.R.I. to
respond to both S.R.I. and the specific group in which the article appeared
first. In fact it is understood that the most important is to post to the
newsgroup which was monitored since it is there that the discussion is going on.
That's what the readers of S.R.I. that reply to the MONITORED article must do,
if they don't then I cannot do anything about it.
You can suggest that I watch if they post their answer to the MONITORED newsgroup
as well as to S.R.I., this is very hard since S.R.I. is moderated and thus the 
same article posted to S.R.I. will appear long after it is posted to the
MONITORED newsgroup.

If you have any other suggestions please email me (or post if necessary) and I
will be glad to consider them.

thanks

rached (or Mr. Zantout :-)
From: merigh@cpac.washington.edu (Mohamed Merigh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: The ADC
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:45:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: bailey.MERIGH.92Aug18114546
Organization: Univ. of Washington, Seattle



	I find it really useless for an organization to defend an
	ethnic/racial/linguistic/geographical (or whatever
	that defines Arabs) group when the image that most of the
	world has of the group is the image of their leaders.
	Has the ADC, in anyway, done anything to distance itself
	from defending that image?  Why isn't the ADC famous, for 
	instance, for a pro-democracy stand for the Middle-East?
	I may simply be unaware of all of its activities,
	but when I hear about the ADC, it is always whining
	that somebody has said or done something bad about Arabs.
	Why isn't it making an effort to improve the image of
	the "Arab"?

Moh&
From: souissi@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Ridha Souissi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Bosnian Muslims
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:57:11 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <l8lg3jINNo2j@spim.mips.com> reddy@mips.com (T.S. Reddy) writes:
>
>     Yes I do. My feeling when I see the bloody pictures on these occasions is
>about how senseless the killing and maiming is, considering that everyone 
>there has to live next to each other whether they like it or not. 
>

They can live all in peace when there is justice.

>T.S.Reddy (e-mail: reddy@mips.com)

Ridha
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.pakistan,misc.invest,sci.econ
From: acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng)
Subject: Re: How can we help Boznia.
Originator: acheng@shalom.ncsa.uiuc.edu
Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 18:02:15 GMT


In article <l8vksfINN18u@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu>, hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>1: The "only" major raw material whose "price" have NOT increased since
>   the early 70's is Oil. In fact, in real terms, oil's prices have
>   actually decreased.

**sacarstic mode on**
So are gold, corn, computers, TV-sets.  Those evil westerners really
know how to control everything.

The oil price was $5.00 a barrell in the early '70's.  The oil
embargo ('76?) jecked it up to $30.00.  Then the evil Brits found
North Sea oil, the no-good Mexican found oil and started exporting
them.  Worse yet, everyone in the world ganged up to reduce oil
import and created the oil glut.  Oil price now is somewhere $15.00
to $20.00.  No, 300-400% increase is not good enough.  *sigh**

** S-mode off **

My appology for calling people names.  I don't mean it.
From: aboelaze@cs.yorku.ca (Mokhtar Aboelaze)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: On Egypt and arms to Bosnia
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:46:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: yetti.1400
Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science

In article <1992Aug14.175040.22670@newshost.unh.edu> llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius) writes:
>How nice it would be for the Egyptians to convert the arms the are
>allegedly planning to send to Bosnia into food for their "neighbors"
>in Somalia. BTW, aren't there Moslems in Somalia?
>
>lk(with the man in the yellow hat)

To answer your question, not nice at all.

Can you give us just one reason why the people in Somalia are more
important than the people in Bosnia ?

I am not saying that they are less important, as an Egyptian, I would
say that we should help both of them if we can.

But to say "convert" the help from one place to another, you must have
a good reason for doing this ?  do you have any  good reasons ?


--Mokhtar Aboelaze
From: bes@cco.caltech.edu (Behnam Sadeghi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Difference ,  No Difference
Date: 18 Aug 92 05:07:27 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.arabic
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

In article <BsKLwC.BsK@sun3.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca> khater@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (Issam Abu-Khater) writes:

>Issam.

Asslamu Alaikum. Just three brief points about Shias:

1.  It wouldn't be accurate to say that Shia Muslims "reject"  the books of
Bukhari and Muslim.  It's just that Shias don't belive that every hadith in
those books is *necessarily* authentic.  (I got a chance recently to do some
reading on this subject, so you can trust me here).   Of course, there are
differences of opinions about Shia scholars on this issue, but what I described
is the predominant opinion.  I should add that Shias do NOT consider every 
hadith in the Shia collections of hadith to be necessearily authentic either.

2.  For an explanation of the viewpoints of Shia Muslims, I refer readers
to the Aytollah Tabatabayi's book, "Shitte Islam."  The English translation
of this book is widely available in US public and college libraries.

3.  In general, Shias respect the companions of the Prophets.  As for a number of
companions who failed to follow the Prophet's sunna, there are differing
opinions among Shias about them.  For example, there are those who
criticize Abu Bakr and Umar, but concede that despite their mistakes most of
what they did was in line with Prophet's sunna.  There are also those who
dismiss the three caliphs altogether without any respect for them.

I think that if Shia and Sunni scholars begin interacting and cooperating more 
with one another, then perhaps their opinions will get closer on a number of 
issues.

Behnam Sadeghi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
From: fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.pakistan,misc.invest,sci.econ
Subject: Re: How can we help Boznia.
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:53:16 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug18.170507.3625@ohrd.uucp> ohrd!rdowlati@cs.toronto.edu (Ramin Dowlati) writes:
>In article <5cpP03of615R00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
>>In article <l8vtc7INN20b@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>>
>>  Well, kinda off the subject of economics here, but a few things to
>>point out between these two wars-
>>
>>  2) The Balkan countries are involved in a civil war more or less-
>
>The UN recognized Bosnia-Herz. as a soverign country after they had a
>'democratic' referendum and overwhelmingly voted for independence, in May 1992
>(give or take a month)!!
>
>>     kind of like Hussein trying to purge the Kurds from his country.
>>     Notice that the U.S. did nothing to stop this before in Iraq- it
>>     was the invasion of a soverign neighboring country that forced the
>>     U.S. to take action.  Judging from the past U.S. actions, it is
>>     unlikely that the U.S. will involve itself in a military conflict
>>     over what the current administation preceives as a civil war.
>>
>Of course, Bosnia has no oil reserves for the Americans to worry about!
>From what I've read in the media (western), Kissinger and company have a
>fair bit of investments in Serbia as well.
>
>>  3) There is no clear protagonist in this conflict 
>
>Where have you been for the past few months? Nearly every reporter in that
>region has confirmed that the Serbs are the only aggressors in this war.
>This evidence was also clear when the Serbs attacked Slovenia and Croatia.

  I know about the Serbs- let me clear this up:

I'm aware that Serbia is attempting to 'cleanse' their country- what I should
have said was "there is a faceless protagonist" in this conflict, as apposed
to Hussein in the Middle East conflict who is a protagonist that Bush can 
threaten on a personal level (i.e., "kick his ass").  My original point on 
#3 was that there is no individual who is calling the shots, which makes it 
difficult for the White House to get the American people into a frenzy.  If
there is a Saddam Hussein of Serbia, I haven't heard about him yet.

   Doug
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From: joe@athena.mit.edu (Joseph C Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.turkish,soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.afghanistan,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.african,soc.culture.pakistan,misc.invest,sci.econ
Subject: Re: How can we help Boznia.
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:54:03 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

In article <l8vtc7INN20b@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>1: The "only" major raw material whose "price" have NOT increased since
>   the early 70's is Oil. In fact, in real terms, oil's prices have
>   actually decreased.

Actually, I was under the impression that the prices of ALL major raw
materials (bauxite, iron ore, coal, silver, platinum, copper, uranium)
have decreased in real terms since the mid/late-1970's.

>Gold is NOT a "major" raw material on which economies depend 

What do you define as a major raw material?  Name one, and we can look
up the prices.
From: oueichek@ngulu (Ibaa Oueichek)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arabic Music
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:01:05 GMT
Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

chrisw@sco.COM (Christopher J. Wood) writes:
: 
: 
: Hi,
: 
: I'm looking for some recommendations regarding
: Arabic (Middle Eastern) music.
: 
: When I used to live in Detroit, MI. I used to 
: occaisionally find that the "Arab Voice" tele-
: vision program (on channel 62) would very
: often feature musical segments.
: 
: I'm actually thinking of adapting this music
: for the guitar, and was wondering what the
: better known pieces of music are...

  Arabic music for the guitar ?. I'have some experience (i used to play
  Arabic music on a guitar ). It's not something "new", guitar has been
  introduced to Arabic music during the early 70's. 
    The most famous Arabic guitar player is Omar Khorsheed (Yet another 
  Egyptian). He has several tapes where he plays music of Um Kulthum songs,
  and some other pieces (i suggest you look for his tapes). IMHO, the quality 
  isn't that good, but it's not his fault (he plays guitar VERY well) but it's 
  the guitar's nature itself.  Guitar can hardly be compatible with Arabic 
  music, for several reasons:

     * It lakes the ability to produce the 1/4 tone, which distinguishs Arabic
     music from "Western" music.
     * The nature of the voice produced is rather odd for our (Arabs) ear, it's
     not enough "tendre" for us. Actually the electrical guitar is used in most
     of the Arabic musical groups, but it rarely performs alone (solo), in most
     of the cases it'll just play accords.
: 
: Thanks!

 Welcome, it's been a long time that we didn't speak "culture" in this group.
 (BTW, if you have ANY questions, don't hesitate a second).
: 
: Chris Wood

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From: ohrd!rdowlati@cs.toronto.edu (Ramin Dowlati)
Subject: Re: How can we help Boznia.
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:05:07 GMT

In article <5cpP03of615R00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> fierro@uts.amdahl.com (Doug Fierro) writes:
>In article <l8vtc7INN20b@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>
>  Well, kinda off the subject of economics here, but a few things to
>point out between these two wars-
>
>  2) The Balkan countries are involved in a civil war more or less-

The UN recognized Bosnia-Herz. as a soverign country after they had a
'democratic' referendum and overwhelmingly voted for independence, in May 1992
(give or take a month)!!

>     kind of like Hussein trying to purge the Kurds from his country.
>     Notice that the U.S. did nothing to stop this before in Iraq- it
>     was the invasion of a soverign neighboring country that forced the
>     U.S. to take action.  Judging from the past U.S. actions, it is
>     unlikely that the U.S. will involve itself in a military conflict
>     over what the current administation preceives as a civil war.
>
Of course, Bosnia has no oil reserves for the Americans to worry about!
From what I've read in the media (western), Kissinger and company have a
fair bit of investments in Serbia as well.

>  3) There is no clear protagonist in this conflict 

Where have you been for the past few months? Nearly every reporter in that
region has confirmed that the Serbs are the only aggressors in this war.
This evidence was also clear when the Serbs attacked Slovenia and Croatia.

>     Bush administration would prefer to pay lip service 

You got it pontiac!

-Ramin D.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic