HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: mjcarpen@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J. Carpenter)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Blacks Are Not Cost Effective
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:22:53 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr7.232404.17407@petunia.csc.calpoly.edu> dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Dave Gross) writes:
>
>  Excerpted from _Napa Writer Blames Blackness for Crime_
>  by Ron Sonenshine
>  San Francisco Chronicle (April 6, 1992)
>  --
>  A Napa author has filed another salvo in the burgeoning race war,
>  arguing in a new book that the nation's annual $300 billion crime tab
>  is essentially a black problem for which blacks alone should pay.
>
>  The thesis of [June Stephenson's "Blacks Are Not Cost Effective"], which
>  was published in October, is that blacks are bankrupting the country by
>  the cost of their incarceration. Nationwide, she said, blacks are much more 
>  likely than whites to be perpetrators of all violent crimes, and a young
>  black is more likely to be sentenced to prison than to graduate from
>  college.  According to the Criminal Justice Institute of New York, approx-
>  imately 800,000 prisoners occupy the nation's prisons.  The U.S. Department
>  of Justice estimates that it costs from $12,000 to $24,000 per year to
>  house an inmate.

Hmmm... I was never taken by this concept of business and its bottom line. 
The system of pimps and whores, some have referred to business as such; and, one
wonders why the negativity?

Mc?
From: wrightb@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Black Agenda and Homosexuality issue
Date: 14 Apr 92 04:09:40 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

For those of you who would like to mix the issues of gay rights

with the problems that face the BLAK COMMUNITY I say this: One

issue at a time folks! Gay rights and the issues of the blak community

have nothing to do with each other. First let's try to overcome the

problems of our community then for those of you that want to you can

deal with the gay issue at your leisure.These issues do not go hand in hand

so stop the madness or folx wiil get so caught up in other issues that the 

main topic will be forgotten and once again we get side tracked by that 

father of liars (and we all know who this is). It's just another barrier

being erected to get our minds off fighting for the rights we deserve and

reaching our main objective.



                                     KEEP HOPE ALIVE,

                                                   PEACE,

                                                       STORM
From: francois@usenet.umr.edu (Why ya askin?)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Maury Povich Show: She Wants To Be White
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:33:21 GMT
Organization: University of Missouri -- Rolla


the problem is that when blak people try to be white they not only get 
black people turned against them but white people turn against them too!!
after all, if you will sell out on your own race then you will prolly sell
out on them too!!

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: fano@zoo1.ils.nwu.edu (Andy Fano)
Subject: Re: Read This! Another Article By The ACA
Reply-To: fano@zoo1.ils.nwu.edu (Andy Fano)
Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 16:21:36 GMT



In article <IdvgvaG00WBME1jYk3@andrew.cmu.edu>, Dean Calloway <dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Excerpts From Captions of netnews.soc.culture.african.american:
> 16-Apr-92  Re: Read This! Another Arti..  Terrance Heath@athena.cs (2881)   
> >(which I will concede are felt even 400 years later).  HOwever the current
> >genereations who are grappling with racism and affirmative action are not
> >the people who were directly victimized by nor directly responsible for
> >slavery.  Those white students, then, who meet admissions requirements are
> >being asked to surrender their opportunies as payment of a debt they 
> >themselves to not owe , to another group who has no direct claim on payment
> 
> While I am not saying that unqualified blacks should be admitted to
> programs, do you honestly think you are not directly affected by slavery
> and its legacy?  Do you think that whites, by virtue of their skin
> color, do not enjoy an advantage (relative to other groups) in their
> personal dealings with institutions in America?  They reap the benefits
> of slavery but are not responsible for the debt?
> 
> DCAL


What about Whites who have immigrated after slavery was abolished from
some country where they were suffering under awful conditions?  Must
they pay this debt too?  How about Asians fleeing refugee camps?  Who
is going to collect the debts they are owed?

-andrew fano
From: wrightb@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: MESSAGE FOR THAT WIMP NEWS@SEQUENT.YELLOW STRIPED COWARD
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:00:14 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Who is this clown news@sequent.com? I've been away for a while and I've

been a little too busy to post or check out the news.I see alot of posts

from this coward who is afraid to let it be known who he really is.Maybe we

should just ignore him, because he seems to be just a little pain in the ass

with nothing better to do than try to get under somebody's skin.Maybe he's
a friend of Arthur Hu. Remember him? Same style.

  So news@sequent.yellow stripe down your back and up yo ass come out and

be recognized or keep your comments to yourself and crawl back into that

slime pit you were spawned from.


                                                SINCERELY,

                                                        FRANK (STORM) WRIGHT

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: This Week In Black History (4/13 - 4/19 1992)
Date: 13 Apr 92 23:02:55 GMT
Article-I.D.: pop-tart.ISBELL.92Apr13190255
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory


Today is Monday April 13, 1992. 

(My comments are in brackets:  [])


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

April 13

April 14

April 15

April 16     Congress passed bill ending slavery in Washington, DC, 1862
             [soc.culture.african.american begins, 1990]

April 17 

April 18     Alex Haley, author of _Roots_, awarded Pultizer Prize, 1977

April 19     Cheyney State Uinversity founded, 1837

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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 back to that stalemate only because our retaliatory power, our seconds,
 or strike at them after our first strike, would be so destructive they
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From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Plug Pulled on Spike Lee's "Malcolm X" (1/2)
Date: 8 Apr 92 16:03:10 GMT
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory


I stole this off rec.arts.movies

reiher@onyx.jpl.nasa.gov (Peter Reiher) writes:
|A recent article in the business section of the LA Times said that
|the completion bond company has just pulled the plug on Spike Lee's
|uncompleted film, "Malcolm X".  Those who have been following this
|film's shooting may remember a few months back that the completion
|bond company took over control of this film, when it ran $5 million
|over budget.  Now, the company has gone a step further.  They have
|refused to authorize any more funds to complete the film, which
|has already cost $33 million.

|This almost certainly doesn't mean that "Malcolm X" will not be
|completed.  It's more like a bargaining ploy between Lee and the
|bond company.  Lee has produced a 4 hour rough cut of "Malcolm X"
|already, and was contractually obligated to produce a three hour
|cut, at the longest.  The completion bond company apparently wants
|a cut around 2 hours, or a little longer, believing the film will
|do more business at that length.  By refusing to fund further editting,
|the company probably hopes to coerce Lee into seeing things more
|their way.

|There was a claim that Lee's production company failed to notify the
|editors of the film that they weren't being paid any more after the
|production company had been officially notified by the completion bond
|company.  It's hard to say who's at fault here.

|My own belief is that, in the end, Lee will get to produce and release
|his three hour version, but that he may have to cut a few corners in
|post-production, or perhaps make salary concessions.  It would be
|an artistic tragedy if the bond company did force a drastically cut 
|version of the film to be released, instead of Lee's own version.

			   Peter Reiher
			   reiher@onyx.jpl.nasa.gov
			   . . . cit-vax!elroy!jato!jade!reiher
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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Monday, 13 Apr 1992 08:11:47 EDT
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Ashe and Aids and us

   I am surprised that no-one on this network has posted anything Arthur Ashe
and his battle with AIDS.  Like other African-Americans, it seems that we are
ignoring the problem that will decimate us eventually if we ignore it.  The
last two famous AA who have acquired the disease have done so in non-stereotyp-
ical fashions, heterosexual contact and blood transfusions.  AIDS is a greater
threat to us then we like to say.  We cannot continue to ignore it.
   Along the same lines I am totally appalled at the way the media forced
Mr. Ashe to "come out of the closet".  He should have come out on his own terms
and his own time.  After all, he has a young daughter to think of.  This is
not an issue of race, but one of privacy and the depth that in our quest for
gossip, we give the media the impression that we want all the information on
famous people no matter how painful it is for them.  In addition, the stress
of the last week is not good for Mr. Ashe physically.  But in the name of a
story, people need to know.
   I am curious as to how other people feel about this.  Why has this network
been silent on the issue?  What do people feel about the media's role in this?
There has been plenty of talk as to the conspiracy aspects of AIDS, but none
beyond that, we have to educate our young, actually all of our people on AIDS
and the aspects of people's lifestyles which put them at risk.  If our kids
do not heed the warnings of safe sex (and by looking at the teen pregnancy
rates, it appears that they haven't) we will  lose an entire generation to
drugs, guns, and AIDS!  WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: NAACP Crisis 
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst, MA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:44:54 GMT

In article <702342358snx@noyles.pha.pa.us> juan@noyles.pha.pa.us (Juan J. E. T. Noyles) writes:
>
>In article <11910@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> emhigh@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu writes:
>
>>In article <702240541snx@noyles.pha.pa.us> juan@noyles.pha.pa.us (Juan J. E. T.
>>
>>>I drew the parallel mainly out of my experience here.  I truly do not see 
>>>what is wrong with saying that gays are not normal, and jews do not have it 
>>>hard (at least in america). 
>>
>>   What's wrong with this is that it's your opinion and clearly not the
>>   consensus of all people.  
>
>Then it's not wrong.  It's simply my opinion.  Just like yours is yours.

I heard a story once ... the teacher of the eighth-grade class asked
Jimmy, "Jimmy, when was the Declaration of Independence signed?"
"1812," Jimmy promply responded.  "No, that's wrong," the teacher
replied.  "But it can't be wrong!" Jimmy protested.  "It's my
opinion!"

You're free to hold whatever opinions you like.  Be warned, though,
that some of them may not coincide with the rest of the world.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "Well, I've never been to heaven / but
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  I've been to Oklahoma ..."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /    -- Three Dog Night
From: mrharri@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Marissa Harrison)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Black Agenda and Homosexual Issues
Date: 7 Apr 92 20:03:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr7.200345.17315
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit

In article <1992Apr7.190223.18889@igor.tamri.com> donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin) writes:
>In article <92098.004906FKR@psuvm.psu.edu> <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>
>Fred Rozenblad writes:
>>My original posting questioned the necessity of gay rights becoming a
>>part of the agenda being adopted by our ldrs.  Some have suggested that
>>there is nothing wrong w/ this alliance [gays rights issues being grafted into
>>minority "status"].  I questioned why this should be accepted when society
>>at large has not accepted this same issue, although that may change in the
>>future.
>
>Maybe because we're all in this together:  Black/White/Asian, Straight/Gay,
>Male/Female and when ANY of those groups has its rights violated, everyone
>suffers...
>
>   don

Say it! SAY IT!  *applause*
Xref: sparky soc.culture.african.american:4472 talk.politics.misc:17280
From: mmoore@ux.acs.umn.edu ("None of ya Bizness")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Blacks Are Not Cost Effective
Date: 8 Apr 92 04:34:23 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr8.043423.22972
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Apr7.232404.17407@petunia.csc.calpoly.edu> dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Dave Gross) writes:

$  "Blacks are just geared for action," she said.  "It's that jungle thing."

She obviously hasn't slept with a black man.

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P.S: Ooooh, Malcolm!  Tactless, tactless!...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: kevinc@sequent.com (Kevin Closson)
Subject: Re: Maury Povich Show: She Wants To Be White
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 17:50:26 GMT

In article <35129@cis.ufl.edu> daj@reef.cis.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
>The fact that a white man wrote it doesn't mean it belongs to white
>people.  If you want to take credit for Bach and Beethoven, then

  Look,  the question was:  "What is white music"?
  I followed up with the notion that Classical music is "White" music.
  Someone came back with the fact that Beethoven had black lineage. 

  Unlike blues, jaz,rock-n-roll,dixieland, and bluegrass which have direct
  pointers back to Africa geographically,  classical music DOES NOT!  Just
  because one composer of classical music was a moor doesn't put classical
  music in the same category as these others.  It's origin is, quite simply,
  European.

  That is my point.

>you'll also have to take credit for the Spanish Inquisition, Hitler,
>the African slave trade, Jeffrey Dahmer, and George Bush.

  Unfortunate,  but true.
From: wrightb@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Asshole needs clue coupon
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:54:13 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In response to Lisa Turner's post Re:blacks are not cost effective,

That all too familiar asshole ( news on muncher.yellow striped coward)
writes:

>What makes you so certain that she's caucasin?


Does anybody out there have a clue coupon for this asshole.I used mine

for the last asshole that invaded our ranks and got bashed to death.

SET FLAME THROWERS ON HIGH and burn this terminal piss-ant to a cinder.

From the things I've seen that he's posted he could use a good flaming.

GET READY

GET SET 

FLAME THROWERS ON.....NOW

                                             STORM
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tuesday, 7 Apr 1992 01:53:47 EDT
From: <FKR@psuvm.psu.edu>  Fred Rozenblad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Black Agenda & Homosexual Issues


I've taken a beating on this thread and some would say it's a self-inflicted
wound. This will be my last article on this topic. I didn't want to respond
to all the individual flames thrown my way. I don't have all the time to do
that. I still think society's response to gays is a self-inflicted wound
also. I guess many proved that point.

My original posting questioned the necessity of gay rights becoming a part of
the agenda being adopted by our ldrs. Some have suggested that there is no-
thing wrong w/ this alliance [gay rights issues being grafted into "minority
"status"]. I questioned why this should be accepted when society at large has
not accepted this same issue, although that may change in the future. What I
found to be strange was the number of folx who "wrote me off"; but I will
close by saying this, "I really don't care what anyone does in the privacy of
their own homes." That's nobody's biz except when it may infringe on the
rights of others. Will gay rights infringe on the rights of others? Y'all an-
swer that for yourselves. Does gay rights belong on the agenda concerning the
struggle of AfAms in this country? Again, answer it for yourselves. I don't
think it belongs. Nuff said.


*** "No performer in any of the arts wants to move backwards;   ***
***  few are cotent to stand still; many are eager to move a-   ***
***  head."                                                     ***
***                                                             ***
***                                            -McCoy Tyner     ***
***                                           "Tender Moments"  ***


Fred Rozenblad-Phryzzinian Man
FKR@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
From: staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers)
Subject: Maury Povich Show: She Wants To Be White
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 23:54:08 GMT

Did anyone see the segment this week on the Maury Povich show where a 20 year
old african american female said, many times, she wishes she was white?
Kim is dark skinned, yet she said she would have surgery to bleach her skin
and change her nose.  She said she has straightened out her hair and currently
wears green contacts.  Maury asked a blond caucasian audience member to stand
up and asked Kim if she wanted to look like her.  She said yes.

It seems as though growing up in Mexico she encountered a lot of racism.  It
seems to have left a terrible scar on her.  She has many negative images
about being black, but no positive ones.  Her mother, who says that Kim (I
think that was her name) started acting this way at a very young age, has
tried to convince her that black is beautiful, but she refuses to listen.
Kim has 3 other siblings, who have lighter skin complexions than she does,
but none of whom feels the same as Kim.  

On the show, Kim did put down blacks in general.  She made a lot of
stereotypical comments.  She has only one black friend and Kim says its 
because her only black friend doesnt talk or act black.  Her friend has
tried to convince her that she is beautiful, but she doesnt want to listen.

Kim does have a daughter.  Kim said she didnt plan it this way, but the
father is white.  She is very proud that the daughter looks white (imho,
you will always be able to tell that kid has black features) and that
she will not face racism when she grows up.

Personally, it was one of the saddest things I have ever heard.  This lady
has no self esteem.  Her parents did not try hard enough to explain what
all the racist comments Kim heard as a child meant.  She took them too
personally.  I really feel bad about her child.  She is obviously going to
raise her to think that being black is horrible.

Having never heard this before, I have to wonder how widespread is this? 
Besides Michael Jackson and Kim, are there a lot of African American kids
who want to actually change their appearannce to look like a different
color?  Are their african american kids who actually repeat racist and
prejudicial comments about their own race, and truly believe them?

--Ken
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 08:13:44 EDT
From: <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: F**k y'all
 <92106.203234U49146@uicvm.uic.edu>

In article <92106.203234U49146@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U49146@uicvm.uic.edu> says:
>
>>
>>
>>In article <92105.074857KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu>, <KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> says:
>
>>>silent about the AIDS issue. I have also posted a while back about drugs and
>>>guns and what it is doing to us and again, little to no response.  But let
>>>someone come on here and call us names, incompentent or say that we are
>>>"not cost effective" and one hundred posts come out of the closet.  OUR
>>>BIGGEST PROBLEM NOW IS OUR INABILITY TO LOOK PAST DISCRIMINATION AND LOOK
>>>INWARD.
>>
>>Okay, I agree with you here.
>>
>>
>
>Sorry but after reading that again, I don't think I really agree.  If you take
>the past infront of discrimnation out, then I do.
>
>Sofia

  I apologize, I meant "pass" not "past", sorry!  But by reading the sentence
you can see that I, in no way, mean to infer that discrimination is in the
past!
From: cs260218@ucs.usl.edu (Lusty*Yeller*Wench=)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Maury Povich Show: She Wants To Be White
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:01:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: usl.1992Apr15.230143.14962
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette


i saw the show, and i agree with christopher that it was a total lack of
self-esteem. she was trying to fit in somewhere, ANYWHERE. i've struggled with
those feelings a lot in my life, but i kind of went the other way. i tried
being more black, but i wasn't being me. i am not black. i am not white. i
am a human being, first and foremost, and i have to deal with things as a 
human being and not hide behind an identity. i don't think that will work if
you "betray" your race or "stay true" to your race. what was it that shake-
speare said.....?



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