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From: jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.prisoner
Subject: Re: The Edge Within
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:45:27 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

In article <Qeat8wm00Vp28531Fp@andrew.cmu.edu> js06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason Lee Smith) writes:
>I saw a script advertised in the catalog "Star Tech" (motto "Our
>merchandise may be overpriced, but at least the quality is
>questionable.") which was labelled as the "proposed U.S. series pilot,"
>to the Prisoner. It was called "The Edge Within." Anybody know about it.
>Anybody have it. Anybody care to post a copy to the B-Board.

I _had_ it, but my copy was "borrowed" a while back.  It's, shall we say,
interesting.

The full title is "The Prisoner: The Edge of Within", and it's written by
the guy who created (...wait for it...) "Otherworld".  It reads like the
guy was trying to do his damnedest to be profound.

Maybe I should put in a ^L here:


The premise: it's twenty years later, and The Village has become The City.
Out in the real world, a secret agent is fed up with his job and is on
the verge of resigning.  He agrees to accept one final mission: Operation
Six.  A termination assignment.  He is sent to the City, decides not to
carry out his mission... and finds that he can not leave.  Rover (a
black Rover, incidentally), stops him, and he becomes Number Seven.

There are three interesting aspects to this new City.  First of all, escape
isn't prevented by a ray barrier or anything.  The City is just so big
that no one can get to the end of it.  Also, it's grown in population
(one man we meet has a six-digit number).  Also, there's apparently been
a shake-up in authority -- the people who run The City are known as the
Zodiac, and apparently there are no Numbers One, Two, and Three.  There
is a weird metaphysical entity, though, known as "The One"...

The big surprise in the script is that Number Six DOES appear.  He has
two brief scenes, which suggest he may have a recurring role.

All in all, it would have been an interesting show, sort of a symbolic
cyberpunk series, but it would not have been the Prisoner we know and love.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place,alt.tv.bh90210
From: berninge@peptide.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger)
Subject: Re: MP 'Gay' Character (Was : : Was that the Last Episode?)
Followup-To: alt.tv.melrose-place
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 18:12:57 GMT

In article <183iqcINNsqk@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks) writes:
>In article <=bxy6x#@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccsouth21.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>>batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks) writes:
>>
>>>		WHAT is there to talk about? How good Billy looks
>>>	without a shirt?
>>Yup!! And why the HELL they won't put the gay character actually INTO the 
>>series. If you are as pissed off as me, please write to Darren Starr [the 
>>Exec Producer] and tell him so!
>
>	Yeah, I will. Its shameful what they're doing; they're fishing
>	for gay viewership (And there QUITE a lot of gay viewership of
>	BH), but they're too fearful to actually get the guy outta the
>	closet. They're never really even confirmed that he IS gay; 
>	just a few strong hints here and there.

Well, the actor knows Matt is gay -- this has been widely publicised
(Entertainment Weakly has done a couple spots on this point alone).
It's almost as if they're counting on the publicity to get the point
across so they don't have to worry about in on screen.  :-(

Follow-up to alt.tv.melrose-place.

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Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Re: : Was that the Last Episode?
From: karenumslvma.umsl.edu
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:02:44 GMT
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS

I recorded the last episode and was watching the tape very early in the
morning, the point is I thought I saw previews for the next show. It was
about the Doc and his wife planning the babies room. Was I totally zoned out
and dreaming this or was it a previous episode??????????????
 
 
 
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: ECZ5BXW@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Brian Warling)
Subject: Re: Gay character
Reply-To: ecz5bxw@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
Date: 3 Sep 92 10:20:08 PDT

In article <Bu0AJ6.64w@acsu.buffalo.edu>, on 3 Sep 92 14:20:00 GMT,
v076r95v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (The Nature Boy) writes:


>        As far as I remember from an interview with the cast of Melrose, Doug
>(the character, forgot the actor's name) *IS* gay.  He is suppose to be a gay
>social worker helping out teenagers from the streets.  But, we never see
>anything done with his character anyway, so what's the point of having him
>there or not?  But, can anyone confirm that Doug is gay?  It's what I remember,
>I could be wrong.

I recall the episode where the doctor's wife (I can't remember their
names) found out she was pregnant. Once the doctor found out that she
apparently had an abortion with telling him, he ran off to the local
bar with the other male members of the cast.  As they were walking,
one of them said something to the effect, "Women are just that way."
Doug, the gay character, says "Men are the same way." To my knowledge,
that's one of the few times (it's the only time I'm aware of), where
there was any indication that Doug was indeed gay.  They could do
a lot better.

---

Brian Warling
UCLA Biomedical Library
ecz5bxw@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick)
Subject: Re: : Was that the Last Episode?
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:20:28 GMT

In <jim.714791229@ferkel> jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick) writes:
>... from what I saw of the premiere movie of 2000 Malibu Road,
>it looks pretty good!

I forgot to mention an important factoid:  2000 Malibu Road is only a
6 part series, so even if it trounces Melrose Place, if Fox is smart they
can revive the series as soon as 2000 Malibu Road is finished.

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From: bd344@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael N Bastedo)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Re: Sandy/Locane LEAVING SERIES!
Date: 3 Sep 1992 20:18:14 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: bd344@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael N Bastedo)
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In a previous article, ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile) says:

>I read somewhere the other day that Amy Locane (Sandy) will leave Melrose
>Place mid-season.  Apparently her character will go to NYC to study acting
>and do the theatre thing.  (from either TVG or Soap Opera Weekly.
>
>


I am so happy to hear this. She really sucks, and have you noticed that her 
New Jersey/Southern accent has dissapeared?
Huzzah!
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place,alt.tv.bh90210
From: buckmr@vccsouth21.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: : Was that the Last Episode?
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 17:36:08 GMT

batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks) writes:

>		WHAT is there to talk about? How good Billy looks
>	without a shirt?
Yup!! And why the HELL they won't put the gay character actually INTO the series
If you are as pissed off as me, please write to Darren Starr [the Exec Producer]
and tell him so!


Darren Star,executive producer,
Spelling Enterprises
5700 Wilshire Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90036


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From: kimber@bach.udel.edu (Kimberly Barker)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Doug
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:03:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Delaware

In either the second or third episode, it was confirmed that Doug is gay. He
and Rhonda were sitting by the pool and she said something to the effect that
since they got along so well as friends they might make a great couple.  Doug
said that to make a couple you have to be physically attracted to oneanother
and that was not true for him.  Since she didn't take offense to the remark, I
assume that he didn't mean that she was unattractive or that he was prejudiced.
After that line one of them said something about how they both needed to find
a good man.

I think that such subtle hints at Doug's sexuality show the network's cowardice.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place,alt.tv.bh90210
From: jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick)
Subject: Re: : Was that the Last Episode?
Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 01:34:13 GMT

In <fnpyx7b@rpi.edu> buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>>Don't forget to send only to the request line to subscribe or unsubscribe,
>>as I ignore any requests posted to the list itself.

>How rude! Don't you READ the list yourself?

I read the list.  It's more rude for someone to send an unsubscribe message
to a few hundred people who can't do anything about it.  Anyone who has ever
been on a large mailing list will tell you that it gets very tiring having
your mailbox flooded with a bunch of administrative requests.

                            Jim Lick		       
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Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Sandy Stalked! Episode.
From: gownder@husc9.harvard.edu (Joseph Gownder)
Date: 2 Sep 92 22:46:53 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center


Well, it was another Sandy-centered episode Sept. 2nd.  Without giving
away any spoilers, the Sandy Stalked episode was okay.  Actually, Sandy
is growing on me.  But was it my imagination or did her Southern accent
disappear almost entirely during this episode?

The Allison-Billy segments seemed like pure filler.  I got the feeling
that even Courtney Thorne-Smith wasn't able to take her character's part
seriously.  For the first time, I felt like Sandy actually "made" the
show work.

Sparse coverage of the other characters, though.  Why is the doctor's
wife always hiding something from him?  That's getting just a little bit
out of hand, IMO.

- J. P.
gownder@husc9.harvard.edu
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From: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place,alt.tv.bh90210
Subject: MP 'Gay' Character (Was : : Was that the Last Episode?)
Date: 2 Sep 1992 23:30:20 GMT
Organization: Tattooed Love Boys
Reply-To: batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks)
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcave.ebay.sun.com

In article <=bxy6x#@rpi.edu> buckmr@vccsouth21.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>batman@batcave.EBay.Sun.COM (Karl Elvis MacRae - Ministry of Silly Walks) writes:
>
>>		WHAT is there to talk about? How good Billy looks
>>	without a shirt?
>Yup!! And why the HELL they won't put the gay character actually INTO the 
>series. If you are as pissed off as me, please write to Darren Starr [the 
>Exec Producer] and tell him so!

	Yeah, I will. Its shameful what they're doing; they're fishing
	for gay viewership (And there QUITE a lot of gay viewership of
	BH), but they're too fearful to actually get the guy outta the
	closet. They're never really even confirmed that he IS gay; 
	just a few strong hints here and there.

>Darren Star,executive producer,
>Spelling Enterprises
>5700 Wilshire Blvd
>Los Angeles, CA 90036

	While you're at it, suggest that they hire some writers. 


			-Karl


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From: slayer@gl.pitt.edu (Deborah)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: I would like to subscribe to this
Date: 1 Sep 92 19:38:11 GMT


Hello, I would really like to subscribe to both 90210 and Melrose Place.
Can someone please tell me the mailing address so that I can join.
I tried the one that they said to for both and my mail bounced. I am sure
that I wrote it down correct.. Anyways can someone help me.. I am really
interested..

Deborah
-- 
May look a little young 
So what's wrong ?
You don't have to be old to be wise
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: sasse@netcom.com (Ellen Sasse)
Subject: Re: Was that the Last Episode?
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 20:55:49 GMT
Organization: Not

cgw@sol.acs.unt.edu (christopher williams) writes: 

> but i DO think that Sandy (the cheesy Southern Accent girl, right?)
> is just about the worst character on the show. 

Ooh, I'd sit through a million Sandy's just to recast Rhonda (the obnoxious
shallow aerobics teacher who can't dance).
From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Re: Gay character
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:30:59 GMT
Reply-To: nobody
Organization: not very organized

>>        As far as I remember from an interview with the cast of Melrose, Doug
>>(the character, forgot the actor's name) *IS* gay.  He is suppose to be a gay
>>social worker helping out teenagers from the streets.  But, we never see
>>anything done with his character anyway, so what's the point of having him
>>there or not?  But, can anyone confirm that Doug is gay?  It's what I remember,
>>I could be wrong.

>I recall the episode where the doctor's wife (I can't remember their
>names) found out she was pregnant. Once the doctor found out that she
>apparently had an abortion with telling him, he ran off to the local
>bar with the other male members of the cast.  As they were walking,
>one of them said something to the effect, "Women are just that way."
>Doug, the gay character, says "Men are the same way." To my knowledge,
>that's one of the few times (it's the only time I'm aware of), where
>there was any indication that Doug was indeed gay.  They could do
>a lot better.

The first episode, he and Rhonda had a "leave your hands off, I saw him
first" conversation about Allison's new roommate (Billy).  He and Rhonda
also had that "relationship that could never be" conversation.  But that
could be interpretted as other things so it wasn't so obvious (not that
the other implications have been exactly obvious).
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: ckile@andy.bgsu.edu (crystal kile)
Subject: Sandy/Locane LEAVING SERIES!
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 06:48:35 GMT

I read somewhere the other day that Amy Locane (Sandy) will leave Melrose
Place mid-season.  Apparently her character will go to NYC to study acting
and do the theatre thing.  (from either TVG or Soap Opera Weekly.

Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
From: rmills@controls.ccd.harris.com (Richard C. Mills)
Subject: Re: : Was that the Last Episode?
Organization: Harris Controls and Composition
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:40:39 GMT

Actually, I belive 2000 Malibu is only a 4-part series, with the possibility
of being picked up as a regular series

-Richard

rmills@ccd.harris.com
From: jerryg@apple.com (Jerry Godes)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Re: Doug
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:50:56 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc
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In article <Bu0Kt7.Mq@news.udel.edu> Kimberly Barker,
kimber@bach.udel.edu writes:
>I think that such subtle hints at Doug's sexuality show the network's
cowardice.

Well, I'm torn.  I think they should be showing more of him (isn't his
name Matt, by  the way?), but I think the subtleness is good - for a
while.  When the character does finally come out officially, all of the
clues will have been building through however many shows it takes to get
at that point.  It's kind of like real life - people will hint at it, and
you won't really comprehend what they're saying until after you know. 
(I.e. we've all heard that he's gay, so we know how to interpret his
comments - other's probably have missed them completely).

The only complaint I have, is that they don't give him enough air time. 
I'm afraid once he does come out, that's going to be the be-all and
end-all of his character.  They need to develop him as they're developing
the other characters - He's just a normal guy doing normal things, who
happens to be gay.  Then occassionally, they can throw in "Gay themed"
situations for him to be in, just like they have "Straight themed"
situations for the rest of the cast (i.e. Sandy getting stalked, Allison
being harrassed by the ad guy)

- Jerry
From: v127mhgk@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (APRIL N. EZZELL)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Sandy being stalked
Date: 3 Sep 92 18:48:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


       Personally I thought the episode could have been livened up a little if
Sandy had turned around and stalked the guy just to scare the shit out of him,
that is what I truly expected anyway...
She is suppose to be an actress on the show, what better way to prove that to
us than to stalk the guy, I am disappointed in the writer's for this episode.
April
From: v076r95v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (The Nature Boy)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Gay character
Date: 3 Sep 92 14:20:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


	As far as I remember from an interview with the cast of Melrose, Doug
(the character, forgot the actor's name) *IS* gay.  He is suppose to be a gay
social worker helping out teenagers from the streets.  But, we never see
anything done with his character anyway, so what's the point of having him
there or not?  But, can anyone confirm that Doug is gay?  It's what I remember,
I could be wrong.
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From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Subject: Melrose Place GAP poster
Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)
Organization: Curious Goods (formerly Louis Vendredi Antiques)
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:28:38 GMT


Just seen at The Gap on Broadway and 86th St. West, Manhattan ...
a poster featuring the Melrose Place cast in Gap denim and tees.
Lookin' good! (-;

gld
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From: cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Re: Sandy being stalked
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:34:22 GMT
Reply-To: nobody
Organization: not organized today yet

>       Personally I thought the episode could have been livened up a little if
>Sandy had turned around and stalked the guy just to scare the shit out of him,
>that is what I truly expected anyway...
>She is suppose to be an actress on the show, what better way to prove that to
>us than to stalk the guy, I am disappointed in the writer's for this episode.


I thought that this was one of the best episodes of MP.  But, I too was
expecting (and hoping) that she would stalk him.  The past few episodes
have made me like Sandy a bit more.


On a kind of related note:  In next week's TV Guide (or this week's if
you read this after Saturday 5:00 a.m.), it comments about Sandy losing
her southern accent.  Seems the producers wanted her to have an accent
and Fox didn't want her too.  People thought it sounded really fake
(NO! :-)) and Fox won out so she's dropping the accent (maybe all of
the time instead of just half the time).  Another real-life
occurence.  But I guess this one could be woven into her
character...as an actress she thought the fake accent would help her
cover up her real weaknesses but now has decided to be the "real"
Sandy--how touching).
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place,alt.tv.bh90210
From: buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: : Was that the Last Episode?
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:32:58 GMT

jim@ferkel.ucsb.edu (Jim Lick) writes:

>Also I'll take this opportunity to advertise the mailing list for 90210 and
>Melrose Place.  These lists are completely seperate from the newsgroups.
>The reason I mention them is that 'Weekly Updates' are sent to the list
>every week so that you'll always know at least a week and a half beforehand
>what the schedule is.  The lists are smaller, more devoted groups.  If you
>are only interested in dissing the show, don't bother subscribing.

>To subscribe:

>Melrose Place:	melrose-place-request@ferkel.ucsb.edu
>90210:		90210-request@ferkel.ucsb.edu

>Don't forget to send only to the request line to subscribe or unsubscribe,
>as I ignore any requests posted to the list itself.

How rude! Don't you READ the list yourself?

Anyway, does anyone have the address to write the Producers of MELROSE PLACE
so that we can complain about the short shrift the gay character Matt is
getting?

Thanks!
-- 
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From: sasse@netcom.com (Ellen Sasse)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.melrose-place
Subject: Re: Was that the Last Episode?
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:52:53 GMT
Organization: Not

m13079@mwunix (Mary Anne Walters) writes: 

> We finally saw The Blond and the Dancer's place yesterday.  So what is
> it?  Don't they know what a gay guy's place would look like?  Geez.    

Heh

> And what was that all about with the broken foot?  Must have been a time
> killer, cause he banged it, got it bandaged off camera, and it was never
> mentioned again. 

Maybe he got hurt "in real life" and they needed to explain it? That scene
was certainly lame, even at FF.