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Date:         Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:51:00 EST
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Subject:      Re: Amy Grant and her "Crossover" Music

Date sent:  28-JUL-1992 20:41:36
Fellow CHRISTIAns,

        I feel that it is finally time to put in my two cents worth on this
issue.  I have a varied musical taste and while Amy Grant is not one of my
absolute favorite artists, some of her music is a surprising breath of fresh
air for me.  I have never gotten into Christian Rock before and I have just
recently started to listen to a lot of it, but I owe it to artists like Amy
Grant and Michael W. Smith.  I started to listen to these two because I liked
some of the songs that they sang.  Being one who listens to words instead of
music, I usuallytake a liking or disliking to the artist almost immediately.
Because of some of the songs by these two that I liked, I went out to buy
several albums.  In doing so, I discovered a new world of Christian music
that I would never have otherwise known about.  With songs that have
"crossed-over" , a whole new genre of music has been opened to me.  My point
being -- I think that it is good that she, as well as others, have crossed-over
in order to bring those of us who are uninterested into this Christian Rock
thing!

        Again, this is merely my two pennies!

Love of God,
        John
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:24:13 -0500
From:         MARCI HENDRIX <HENDRIX@RHODES.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Repentence

J Stahley:  I hope you have found encouragement through the posts that have
come to you via Christia and maybe privately.  I agree with what has been
posted on the list and just wanted to tell you that there isn't any one
of us that hasn't been through dark days in our Christian walk.  The most
magnificant aspect of Christianity (to me, that is) is grace - unmerited
favor.  I know that if it was left up to me I would spend eternity in Hell.
But through Jesus, we have forgiveness of sin, any sin, all sin, yesterday,
today, and tomorrow.  Praise the Lord that Jesus paid the price for our
sins and we don't have to rely on our being good Christians to get to heaven.
Like someone else mentioned, our Christian walk is a process, a growing
process.  I myself have to take everyday, one day at a time, because it
is just so easy to slip into sin.

Please know that we're praying for you and encourage you to know that you
are forgiven and the Lord loves you.  Marci Hendrix
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From:         Richard.Campbell@MVS.UDEL.EDU
Subject:      Writers: Where to submit a story?
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   Hi all,
          Hope everyon'es having a good day, those who aren't, may God bless
you.
    I'm curious about submitting a Christian-themed short story I wrote for
publication.  Does anyone have any pointers?  I've gotten some good feedback
on it, though of course that doesn't necessarily mean anything significant
will happen.  Any magazines of Christian fiction, or open to it, out there??
(in the U.S. in particular?)
                                    Thanks,
                                           Rich
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From:         WKJ <JAMES@XAVIER.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Kerry's dead.

Yo Kerry,

        Are you still dead? ( I am referring to the gentleman who being buried
touched the Elisha's remains and had to call for the Pallbearers to " Come back,
get me out of here, I am not dead any Longer!!! prefiguring our resurrection ).

        This was intended to be humorous. New life can be fun.

WKJ
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Date:         Wed, 29 Jul 1992 09:10:00 EDT
From:         "Carl A. Lahetta" <U952020@RUTADMIN.BITNET>
Subject:      ThE MoNeY PiT :-) This Old House and Do it Yourself

Hello Friends,
   Tomorrow my wife and I close on our house, then we will be homeowners!
The time has almost arrived.  It has been a long and strenous process right
up near to the end.  I will be in debt up to my ears and will remain so
for the next 15 to 30 years. (It's a thirty year mortgage but hopefully it
will not take that long to pay it all back :-\ )  Since I am buying a home
there is some work to be done on it.  I'll need to clean, paint, tear up
rugs, buff the wood floors, tile the bathroom floor w/ ceramic tile, wall-
paper, put new tile in the kitchen, and wall up a door that goes outside -
if you saw the kitchen you'd know why, and do some landscaping.  All this
means that I'm only working half a day tomorrow and will be off till
Aug. 8.  So till then take care.  Don't kill each other, I'd like someone
to write to when I get back.
   For my friends on Christia, please pray for my wife and I.  For my
friends on Politics, please don't talk about raising taxes.  And if you
think we are rich then you should try living in NJ.  I'll be thinking of
all of you, well most of you :-)  I'll go to "no mail" later today.

Later Folks,

Carl---------+  The Crusader
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Date:         Mon, 27 Jul 1992 09:40:00 -0400
From:         Lora Harris <LHARRIS@UPEI.CA>
Subject: Monday after Trinity 6 - Wesley - Catholic Spirit

A reading from a sermon by John Wesley, "Catholic Spirit" - for the Monday
after Trinity 6

A catholic spirit is not * speculative * latitudinarianism.  It is not
an indifference to all opinions: This is the spawn of hell, no the
offspring of heaven.  This unsettledness of thought, this being
'driven to and fro, and tossed about with every wind of doctrine,'  is
a great curse, not a blessing; an irreconcilable enemy, not a friend,
to true catholicism.  A man of a truly catholic spirit, has not now
his religion to seek.  He is fixed as the sun in his judgement
concerning the main branches of Christian doctrine.  It is true, he is
always ready to hear and weigh whatsoever can be offered against his
own principles; but as this does not show any wavering in his own
mind, so neither does it occasion any.  He does not halt between two
opinions, nor vainly endeavor to blend them into one.  Observe this,
you who know not what spirit you are of; who call yourselves men of a
catholic spirit, only because you are of a muddy understanding;
because your mind is all in a mist; because you have no settled,
consistent principles, but are for jumbling all opinions together.  Be
convinced, that you have quite missed your way; you know not where you
are.  You think you are got into the very Spirit of Christ; when, in
truth, you are nearer the spirit of Antichrist.  Go, first, and learn
the first elements of the gospel of Christ, and then shall you learn
to be of a truly catholic spirit.


From: "From the Fathers to the Churches: Daily Spiritual Readings "
      Editor, Brother Kenneth CGA
      Collins Liturgical Publications, Icehouse One - 401
      151 Union Street, San Francisco, CA 94111-1299
      copyright 1983 William Collins and Sons Ltd.
      ISBN 0-00-599749-6
      BV30.F76 1987 242'2 87-15090
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Date:         Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:43:00 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 7/22
X-To:         Christia <christia@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>

"The Word was full of grace and truth.  From him we all received more and more
blessings.  The law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through
Jesus Christ.  No man has ever seen God.  But God the only Son is very close to
the Father.  And the Son has shown us what God is like" (John 1:16-18).

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used by
permission.
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:02:59 EDT
From:         Leo W <Leo_W@QM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
Subject:      Scripturette 7/23
X-To:         Christia <christia@asuvm.inre.asu.edu>

The Appointment of Matthias

"During this time there was a meeting of the believers.  (There were about 120
of them.)  Peter stood up and said, "Brothers, in the Scriptures the Holy
Spirit said through David that something must happen.  The Spirit was talking
about Judas, one of our own group, who served together with us.  The Spirit
said that Judas would lead men to arrest Jesus" (Acts 1:15-17).

"I am not talking about all of you.  I know those I have chosen.  But what the
Scripture said must happen: 'The man who ate at my table has now turned against
me.'  I am telling you this now before it happens.  Then when it happens you
will believe that I am he.  I tell you the truth.  Whoever accepts anyone I
send also accepts me.  And whoever accepts me also accepts the One who sent me"
(John 13:18-20).

"He said to them, "Remember when I was with you before?  I said that everything
written about me must happen -- everything in the law of Moses, the books of
the prophets, and the Psalms"" (Luke 24:44).

"Then Jesus opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.  He
said to them, "It is written that the Christ would be killed and rise from
death on the third day.  You saw these things happen -- you are witnesses ...""
(Luke 24:45-48).

"So now a man must join us and become a witness of Jesus' being raised from
death.  He must be one of the men who were part of our group during all the
time the Lord Jesus was with us.  He must have been with us from the time John
began to baptize people until the day when Jesus was taken up from us to
heaven" (Acts 1:21-22).

"I will send you the Helper from the Father.  He is the Spirit of truth who
comes from the Father.  When he comes, he will tell about me.  And you also
must tell people about me because you have been with me from the beginning"
(John 15:26,27).

Yours in Christ Jesus,
Leo

Scriptures quoted from the International Children's Bible (ICB), New Century
Version, copyright 1986, 1988 by Word Publishing, Dallas, Texas 75039.  Used by
permission.
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 23:42:00 EST
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Subject:      Divorce and Remarriage

Dear Christia Folks,


Toni J. Benner writes:

>Jeff, I would say that if you were unsaved when you were divorced, that
>it is allright to remarry.  The problem lies when a Christian knowingly
>divorces and remarrys.

To be honest, I have to say that I was a Christian during the divorce, albeit
a backsliding one.  But I've been forgiven for the divorce as well as
everything that led up to it.  In fact, I'm just as forgiven as an unsaved
person who might have gone through the same situation would be once
converted since I didn't commit the sins with the attitude that "well, I'll
do it now  and then I'll ask God to forgive me afterwards".  I was tempted,
I fell and I've been forgiven.  So I don't think that the issue really
is as you say.

Toni also writes:

>...I also believe that if you are left, or
>if your ex-wife does not want to be reconciled with you, that it's
>all right to remarry.

This does apply.  I tried many times for reconciliation after I recommited
my life to the Lord and each time was told in no uncertain terms that this
would be impossible by both her words and her actions.  I do think that
you are biblically correct, Toni, in light of I Cor 7:15 and I have to admit
I do find comfort in this.

and Ernest Mueller writes:

>The real question here is : If one member of a covenant breaks it, is the
>other one free of the agreement?

and as it pertains to God's covenant with Israel...

>God however did not consider his end of the covenant broken.
>Maybe (I am not sure) He could have, but the fact that He did not
>shows which is the more Godly course.

Is it really fair to compare a person's ability to keep a covenant with that of
a holy, just, and merciful God?  In fact, history has shown us how difficult
it is for man to do this in the very example you cite being that of Israel.
The weakness displayed in that situation serves as a perfect illustration of
just how badly we need the atoning blood of our Savior.

and finally Ernest writes:

>       But I still can see no precedent in the NT for
>giving up, based on the Matthew and I Cor passages mentioned.

If this is true what is I Cor 7:15 referring to when it says that "a believing
man or woman is not bound in such circumstances"?

Jeff Detwiler
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Date:         Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:24:00 CDT
From:         "Love does not subtract, it multiplies." <HOLZMAN@FNAL.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Multiple Personalities

<Fellow Christians.

I don't qualify as Christian, but I do have experience on this matter.

<I have a question and I am seeking some advice.
<Is or do you believe it is possible for people to have multiple
<personalities?

Including network acquaintences, I am personally acquainted with over 20 people
with Multiple Personalities, 4 of whom I have dated at one time or another.

MP is objectivly demonstrable through the different EEG scans that the
different personalities have.  Singular people cannot replicate this effect.

<If you do believe, then what would you do to try and help a person
<who have or think they have multiple personalities?

All multiples need to integrate, which is defined as the sharing of the
memories of the different person.  This is not to be confused with fusing,
which is where the different persons are merged into one.  Some multiples to
opt for this, however some see this as death (indeed, several deaths) and
refuse it.  The person in question has to be a willing and active participant
in his or her treatment.

Truddi Chase is an example of one such.  Her 98 personalities chose not to
fuse.  A complete account of her treatment can be found in her book _When
Rabbit Howls_.

98% of multiples are survivors of severe childhood abuse.  MP is caused by the
mind creating a person to act as a buffer between the core person and the
abuse.  The remaining 2% are usually the children of MPs who observe their
parent being multiple and decide that that is how humans are, and thus develop
the alter persons.

MP is different from Schizophrenia in that it is a dissasociative disorder.
Unlike Schizophrenia, it _cannot_ be treated by drugs.

Dan
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Date:         Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:05:00 GMT
From:         Z_STAFF_CL@SOUTHAMPTON-INSTITUTE.AC.UK
Subject:      Healing Books - MacNutt and Others

CHRISTIAns,

Hope this is helpful.....

Some one mentioned 'Healing' books by Francis McNutt :

...Amongst those McNutt available in the UK are :
The Prayer that Heals, published by Hodder Stoughton
Overcome by the spirit, published by Eagle, Guildford England

Also try :

Healing the Hidden Self - by an american woman whose name escapes me

... the following books by George Bennett :
(published by Arthur James Ltd, London)
The Heart of Healing
Miracle at Crowhurst
In His Healing Steps
Commissioned to Heal

... by (Revd) John Richards
The Question of Healing Services published by Daybreak, London
Deliver Us From Evil published by Darton Longman and Todd

He also wrote many of the leaflets/books distributed by
Renewal Servicing, PO Box 17, Sheperton, Middx, TW17 8NU
price circa 30 pence

.... by Agnes Sanford :
The Healing Light, published by Arthur James

... by (Bishop) Morris Maddox :
The Christian Healing Ministry, published by SPCK
20 Questions about Healing, published by SPCK
The Christian Adventure, published by Triangle
Journey to Wholeness, published by Triangle


... more to do with living than healing,  books by Wanda Nash :
People need Stillness, published by Darton Longman and Todd
At Ease with Stress,


....This UK Resource Centre will be able to supply more details:

Acorn Christion Healing Trust
Revd David Smethurst
Whitehilll Chase
High St
Bordon, Hants
GU35 0AP


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Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 1992 10:59:00 -0400
From:         Lora Harris <LHARRIS@UPEI.CA>
Subject:      Please read! Reading for Fri. Trin. 5

The please read was because this sermon is particularly appropriate to this
list.  It is an example of very practical Christian living - what do we do
about those whom we are in disagreement with, particularly if the disagreements
are indeed serious, and particularly if the other preson is also Christian.



For the Friday after Trinity 5 - A reading from a sermon by John Wesley,
'Catholic Spirit'

It is allowed even by those who do not pay this great debt, that love is due to
all mankind; the royal law, 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself,'
carrying its own evidence to all that hear it.

        But that is sure, there is a peculiar love which we owe to those that
love God.  So David: 'All my delight is upon the saints that are in the earth,
and upon such as excel in virtue.'  And so a greater than he: 'A new
commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another: As I have loved you,
that ye also love one another.  By this men shall know that ye are my
disciples, if ye have love to one another.'  This is the love on which the
apostle John so frequently and strongly insists: 'This,' saith he, ' is the
message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.'

        All men approve of this; but do all men practise it?  Daily experience
shows the contrary.  Where are even the Christians who 'love one another as he
hath given us commandment?'  How many hindrances lie in the way!  The two
grand, general hindrances are, First, that they cannot all think alike; and, in
consequence of all this, Secondly, they cannot all walk alike; but in several
smaller points their practise must differ in proportion to the difference of
their sentiments.

        But although a difference of opinions or modes of worship may prevent
an entire external union; yet need it prevent our union in affection?  Though
we cannot think alike, may we not love alike?  May we not be of one heart,
though we are not of one opinion?  Without all doubt we may.  Herein all the
children of God may unite, notwithstanding these smaller differences.  These
remaining as they are, they may forward one another in love and good works.

From: "From the Fathers to the Churches: Daily Spiritual Readings "
      Editor, Brother Kenneth CGA
      Collins Liturgical Publications, Icehouse One - 401
      151 Union Street, San Francisco, CA 94111-1299
      copyright 1983 William Collins and Sons Ltd.
      ISBN 0-00-599749-6
      BV30.F76 1987 242'2 87-15090
From: laperla@byron.u.washington.edu (Juan Perla)
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Subject: Re: prayer request
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:26:12 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ,
    Please pray for a little boy, Andrew and his family.
He is 15 months old and has cystic fibrosis.  He is now at a
childrens hospital ICU.  He caught a bad infection and has not been 
doing to well.

thank you,
Juan Perla


-- 
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From:         Wolfgang Hutter <HUTTER@DULRUU51.BITNET>
Subject:      RE: Spiritual leadership in the home

In a message of Wed, 22 Jul 1992 04:54:12 GMT
Received on Wed, 22 Jul 92 08:41 N

N. L. Tinkham <nlt@GBORO.GLASSBORO.EDU> wrote:

>     My questions for those with hierarchical marriages, then, are:  1) How
>does spiritual leadership in your home work, in day to day practice?  and
>2) How do you find it benefitting you and your spouse in your Christian life
>and growth?

I think that the question should be widened. It seems that the concept
of leadership itself as I understand it from reading my Bible is not
clear. So I'll try to give you a few hints from the top of my head.

First I'd like to state that I firmly believe that God has ordained a
principle by which He wants all entities of His body to function. And
that is leadership/headship.

Let's consider leadership in the church. My spiritual leader is my
pastor. He is responsible for my spiritual environment as far as he can
influence it. He is ordained by God to feed His sheep and to take care
that their spiritual needs are met. He doesn't do all the work (if he is
wise). He doesn't take all the decisions alone, but he is the one who is
responsible (and who has the last words on the issues at hand).

I think it's the same with spiritual leadership in the home. In everyday
life you might not perceive it at all. We take our decisions together,
we appreciate each others opinions. But I think that I'm the one
responsible for the decision. This is a source of peace and security for
my wife.

Another point that I see for spiritual leadership is the shelter that a
woman has from spiritual attacks if she is under the leadership of her
husband.

>Does she try to make her prayers more like his and less like her own?

She is a person, not an appendix! So her prayers will be like she wants
them to be.

>Does he select ministries that they will both be involved in?

This, indeed is a question of spiritual leadership. But I hope that you
gathered from what I said above that the decision should not be take by
the husband like the 'lone wolf', but together. But he is indeed the one
who is responsible for this decision and therefore has the last word
over it.

>Does he determine which church they will attend, and how often?

Same here. But another point comes to my mind. Good leadership doesn't
show up. I mean that if the husband is leading as he should (i.e. as
Christ leads the church) and the woman is acting like she should then no
one of the two should feel oppressed or even forced into some direction.

I fear that I was not clear and practical enough, but I'd need too much
time to search my mind for better words and clearer examples. I hope you
get an impression of how we practice spiritual leadership in our
marriage and how it blesses us.

Wolfgang <><
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