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From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff)
Subject: Re: George Adamski-Fraud?
Organization: BeHereNow
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:38:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.142306.26400@crc.ac.uk> sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293) writes:
>In article <1ij5buINNkkn@zikzak.apana.org.au>, petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter T.) writes:
>> In a number of postings I have come accross statements that George Adamski is a fraud.
>> As I have a book of his on order, can someone inform me as to why some see him as such?
>> Thankyou 
>> Peter T.
>

>Frank Edwards came to the conclusion .... (the photo was) the top of a 
>cannister type vacuum cleaner. "
>
>
>Then there are the doubts about the photos. Whilst it could be argued that
>Menzel was a debunker of UFOs, so of course he would have an answer, the
>same cannot be said for Edwards, yet even Edwards seems to be casting doubt
>on the photos. Then there are the witnesses who later decided they really
>were not witnesses at all.
>
>There are just too many questions hanging over the story. What can you believe
>and what not? We no longer have the author to supply answers.

>
>Steve.

I liked Steve's post, and I though I would throw a little fuel on the fire 
here...

I went to the Best of World UFO Congress last year, and Bob Brown the promoter,
had quit a bit of movie footage of Adamski playing with a saucer. It was
incredible footage, to say the least. He could have faked it, yes, but it
had all the classic signs of being a real beam ship (3 small lobes on the
bottom, similar to Billy Mier and others have photographed).

And the area that Adamski claims to have contacted ET's is rife with UFO's
and still is. There are few better places in the world to see a UFO than 
the high desert of CA. So he has all that going for him in my view.

I have not looked into Adamski completely, and would like to see posts from
those of you that have. But I know that Wendle Stevens and Bob Brown have
made intensive investigations, and found that there is much more to the man
than pure hoax. I'm the first to admit the guy was not a striaght arrow; he
may have lied about some things, etc. He may not have always given the
whole truth, but to write him off as pure BS is really ignoring what true
experiences he did have, and the knowledge that can be gleaned from his
experiences.

Have others out there seen the movie footage? I would be interested to hear
what you thought of it. It had the classic signs to me: the ship bobbed up
and down, which contactees have been told is normal when hovering in an
anti-gravity field within the earths atmousphere, etc.

Jeff-
From: tdenbo@eis.calstate.edu (Tom Denbo)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: I am disappointed...
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:06:04 GMT
Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services

dementia@cwis.unomaha.edu (Diane Atkinson) writes:
> 
> I thought I might find intelligent debate here--you know, presentations
> of facts by both sides,  discussions, perhaps even a little more in
> the formation of explanations in the whys and hows of extraterrestrials.
> Instead all I find is petty bickering, opinion and people bashing,  "Gee,
> look at this story--Weren't these saps dumb?" articles, and a lot of 
> "There's no way anything but my opinion is correct" stuff.
> 
> I had hoped for more....

I agree completely!

Guess this is a subject that's too heavy for UseNet lightweights!
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: etxsral@hal.ericsson.se (Lars Nilsson)
Subject: SA UFO incident ?
Organization: Ericsson
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 20:43:31 GMT

Hi

I've heard that South Africa shoot down a UFO some years ago.

Two SA hunter airplanes was chasing a saucer-type UFO and one of them
fired with a prototype laser?? on the UFO and it crashed on the ground.

The UFO and the crew was later transported to the US.

The incident was reported by a SA military intelligence officer.


Have someone else heard about this story ?

/lars
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From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer)
Subject: Re: Enuf is enuf. Time for a moderated group...
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 00:41:28 GMT

In article <1992Dec29.172130.13369@msi.com> greg@katie (Greg Wells) writes:
>:
>Agreed.  I am interested in science. Not bullshit.

  Then why are you reading "alt.alien.visitors"?

  Try "sci.space" or "sci.astronomy".

  You want Alien Visitors, yer gonna GET bullshit!


-- 
  
        Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com
  
 Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized!


     "Mystical explanations are considered deep. The truth is that
      they are not even superficial."

                   - Friedrich Nietzsche    (The Gay Science: 126)
From: clcv16@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("a.w.veitch", Thermodynamics Clcv16)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Evidence for advanced causation.
Keywords: Gobbledygook or Bullshit?
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:08:52 GMT
Reply-To: clcv16@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
Organization: Strathclyde University Computer Centre.


.....Hi there spunkheads. Ya got a virgin user here.....just call me Al.
   Who is this Jack Sarfatti?  A great new mind loose in the world?
   Well loose anyway!
   You seem to have read quite a bit and understood less.
   Q: What are the implications of Bells theorem to the Wheeler-Feynman
     "classical" EM model?
   Q: Do you have to have faith in precog to perceive them.
     This smacks of Kant! 
   Platonic Realities or just proprioceptive ratiocinalised bullshit!
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 13:27:48 CST
From: <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Moderated Group/John Winston
 <1992Dec30.031346.20193@bilver.uucp> <C03G2p.L38@moxie.hou.tx.us>
 <1993Jan1.231216.28162@bilver.uucp> <72922@cup.portal.com>

In article <72922@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com says:
>
>Dear Folks: Why is it that when I hear the words moderator, censorship
>I think of Hitler? I agree the Don would be a good moderator if you
>think you need a moderator.
>John Winston.
This will be the one and only time that I respond to your crap.  You must
understand that the use of Internet is a priviledge and not a right.
When you start posting under the guise that it is your right to post,
you are wrong.  If you would like to go out on the streets and preach
to the world your 3 line messages, fine, that is your right.  But you
must consider your use of Internet a priviledge and behave accordingly.
And if those who want a moderated group want one, they may create one.
You John Winston are under no obligation to partake in the discussions there
and can freely post here(although it is not a right).
Ethan Haslett
smoke... smoke.. flame off
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John Winston is not a real person?
Date: 7 Jan 93 01:12:41 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	U37460@uicvm.uic.edu (Ethan Haslett) writes:
	Assuming he is not wealthy in the extreme this might be a way
	for someone to annoy him!  Or quiet him.  Comments?

 Bad idea.  If you do not like what John writes, then don't answer
him.  "Attacking" someone in this manner is very akin to stealing
his/her credit card and running up charges as "punishment".  It is not
something I wish to be even remotely associated with.

Charles
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:05:45 CST
From: <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John Winston is not a real person?
 <1993Jan6.193721.20654@netcom.com>

In article <1993Jan6.193721.20654@netcom.com>, payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
says:
>Cost is about $20/month, currently. They charge a lot for storage
>however, which means that if you get a lot of mail, the cost can go
>way up. They also have a large PD/Shareware library and a graphics
Hmm.  Very interesting.  So if John Winston gets a large amount of mail,
his monthly fees would skyrocket?  Assuming he is not wealthy in the extreme
this might be a way for someone to annoy him!  Or quiet him.  Comments?
>library which includes lots of GIFS etc...
>
>
>Rich
>
>payner@netcom.com
>
>
Ethan Haslett
u37460@uicvm.uic.edu
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jvarley@crash.cts.com (J.J. Varley)
Subject: Video Game - Majestic Twelve
Organization: CTS Network Services (crash, ctsnet), El Cajon, CA
Date: 04 Jan 93 23:22:52 PST

	A couple days ago I was in an arcade, and I saw a game called
"Majestic Twelve." Interesting I thought, taking a title from a 
government group I read in UFO literature.  Pretty much a re-hash of
"Space Invaders" but it caught my interest.  One more thing,
the outside of the machine had many drawings of a UFO type thing
lifting up cows by some sort of beam.  Just a video game, but
someone at TAITO (who made the game) must have a hint as to
whats going on...
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: John Winston is not a real person?
Date: 12 Jan 93 01:38:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson

In article <1it132INNogb@ub.d.umn.edu> serickso@ub.d.umn.edu (Scott Erickson) writes:
>
>Previously jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff) wrote: 
>>Dear Ethan,
>>
>>get a life.
>>Jeff-
>
>Dear Jeff,
>
>get a life.
>Scott-

Dear Jeff, Scott, Ethan, George, Mick, Rod, The Woozle Whose Name Was Peanut,
Richard Nixon, Bill, Steve, Angela, Jennifer, Jim, Scaramouche, Scaramouche,
Will You Do The Fandango, Roger, Arthur, Eric, Kibo, Joey, Nigel, Bob, Rob,
Hungadunga, Hungadunga, Hungadunga and McCormick,

Er...

I've forgotten what I want to say.
	Jason
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Moderated Group/John Winston
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:13:24 GMT

In article <93005.132748U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <72922@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com says:
>>
>>Dear Folks: Why is it that when I hear the words moderator, censorship
>>I think of Hitler? I agree the Don would be a good moderator if you
>>think you need a moderator.
>>John Winston.
>This will be the one and only time that I respond to your crap.  You must
>understand that the use of Internet is a priviledge and not a right.
>When you start posting under the guise that it is your right to post,
>you are wrong.  If you would like to go out on the streets and preach
>to the world your 3 line messages, fine, that is your right.  But you
>must consider your use of Internet a priviledge and behave accordingly.
>And if those who want a moderated group want one, they may create one.
>You John Winston are under no obligation to partake in the discussions there
>and can freely post here(although it is not a right).
>Ethan Haslett
>smoke... smoke.. flame off

Whew. Well, John..it should be pretty apparent that you've upset a 
number of people here with your short-but-say-nothing-substantive
postings. I should introduce you to Jack Mathias (grin).
 
Anyways, you should lighten up and allow people to get on with it.

In case you forgot, the *topic* here is about UFO's and Ethan here has
a point you should bear in mind, and that is simply one of _courtesy_ .

On Fido you would be considered excessively annoying and would be twitted
off echoes accordingly. Does it take the entire userbase that reads this
newsgroup in _some_ hope of seeing worthwhile posts here to continue
tweaking your nose over your behaviour?

Let's get back on the track here..I presume that you haunt this area in
search of the elusive pieces of the UFO puzzle? Why not contribute
something constructive to this newsgroup. I know that you're friends
with Don Showen..what about bugging Don for me to post some more of those
Barbara Marciniak articles here? That would be a "good thing" . 


                      Don Allen
                  Fido UFO Echo Moderator
                   MUFONET - 1:123/26.1


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From: dementia@cwis.unomaha.edu (Diane Atkinson)
Subject: I am disappointed...
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 02:48:51 GMT


I thought I might find intelligent debate here--you know, presentations
of facts by both sides,  discussions, perhaps even a little more in
the formation of explanations in the whys and hows of extraterrestrials.
Instead all I find is petty bickering, opinion and people bashing,  "Gee,
look at this story--Weren't these saps dumb?" articles, and a lot of 
"There's no way anything but my opinion is correct" stuff.

I had hoped for more....

Diane Atkinson
dementia@cwis.unomaha.edu

-- 
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*in your closet, in your head"    ___^o^___*      "Jafar, Jafar, he's our man.*
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From: petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter T.)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Pleiadian problems
Date: 8 Jan 1993 06:09:18 GMT
Organization: Zikzak public access UNIX, Melbourne Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: zikzak.apana.org.au
Newsreader: MS Windows WinVN

A few sources state that the Pleiadians no longer visit us because they have "problems at home" that
they must attend to.
Does anybody know what these problems are supposed to be?
Thankyou
Peter T.
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Monday, 11 Jan 1993 16:35:56 EST
From: <BOTGC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: newsletter

Due to the $15 fee that the bank is charging me to process foreign cheques,
I am sorry to say that I can not accept any subscriptions to the "Nefilim
Forum" after January 11, 1993 from outside of USA. The only way you still
can subscribe is if you enclose US$ in an envelope, provided you wish to do so.

Regards,
Vladislav
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
Subject: Re: John Winston is not a real person?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:33:09 GMT

In article <93006.170545U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>In article <1993Jan6.193721.20654@netcom.com>, payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
>says:
>>Cost is about $20/month, currently. They charge a lot for storage
>>however, which means that if you get a lot of mail, the cost can go
>>way up. They also have a large PD/Shareware library and a graphics
>Hmm.  Very interesting.  So if John Winston gets a large amount of mail,
>his monthly fees would skyrocket?  Assuming he is not wealthy in the extreme
>this might be a way for someone to annoy him!  Or quiet him.  Comments?

I once mailed myself about a megabyte of split uuencoded GIF (just one)
and was shocked to pay a $20 storage fee next month.

I think that this is a bit unethical. It will also waste far more net
bandwith than John's postings. I do not think that this is a great
idea.

>>library which includes lots of GIFS etc...
>>
>>Rich
>>
>>payner@netcom.com
>>
>Ethan Haslett
>u37460@uicvm.uic.edu


Rich

payner@netcom.com
From: rfentima@ub.d.umn.edu (Robert Fentiman)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: BIGFOOTF SPACEMAN?
Date: 9 Jan 1993 18:37:50 -0600
Organization: University of Minnesota, Duluth
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ub.d.umn.edu

In article <1510.37.uupcb@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us> victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman)  writes:

:Even worse, you cannot "live" on Jupiter because there is no place to
:"stand".  It is not solid, it is gaseous.  Not to mention gravity and
:radiation are almost 100 times earth normal.

Well, just to add to the discussion, there is a hypothesis (and I stress the
word hypothesis) that the center of Jupiter is a large diamond (larger than
the Earth, possibly).  No, I'm not just quoting from Clark's book 2065. 
The theory is derived from the fact that the methane in the atmosphere
gets converted (by lightning and possibly from objects such as
meteorites burning up in the atmosphere) in to carbon and other
chemicals.  The carbon, being heavier, falls to the planet's center,
where the heat and preasure would be enough to turn it into diamond.

I am not very familiar with this hypothesis, and I'm not sure I've
fairly represented it here. 
                                                
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From: Jim.Atwell@f851.n800.z3.fidonet.org (Jim Atwell)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Ozzie UFOs
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1993 00:00:02

Hello Simon,

In a message to All <03 Jan 93 10:48> Sbooth@Lonestar.Utsa.Edu wrote:

 Sb> From: sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth)
 Sb> Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

 Sb> I'm American, 

That's OK, I forgive you for that.  :-)   (he he he!)

 Sb> so don't flame if I'm mistaken, but shouldn't that be
 Sb> 'Aussie' (for Austrailian) rather than 'Ozzie'?

You're quite correct really. However, "Ozzie" is also widely 
accepted here. Particularly when conversing with people from 
overseas.  The spelling "Ozzie" is closer phoneticaly to the 
correct pronunciation,  O-ZZ-EE (as in mozzie, (do you call 
mosquitos mozzies over there?)), as opposed to the much loathed 
(over here!) mispronunciation, O-SS-EE (as in posse).

But...  you didn't say weather you wanted to read about Australian 
UFOs! Since you replied, I shall assume YES!

I have had several positive replies, so prepare all, to be 
besieged with UFO info from Australia.

Regards,
          Jim Atwell          |  UFO Research (SA) Inc.
                              |  PO Box 281
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From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff)
Subject: Re: Pleiadian problems
Organization: BeHereNow
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:46:20 GMT

In article <1ij5qeINNkkn@zikzak.apana.org.au> petert@zikzak.apana.org.au (Peter T.) writes:
>A few sources state that the Pleiadians no longer visit us because they have "problems at home" that
>they must attend to.
>Does anybody know what these problems are supposed to be?
>Thankyou
>Peter T.

I would be interested to hear about your sources.

Jeff-
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 12:35:20 EST
From: <BOTGC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Newsletter

I am still getting questions about the newsletter I publish, and it seems
my previuos messages are being buried among the tons of others on this
conference.
Ok. Here goes again...The newsletter is called "The Nefilim Forum". It is
meant to be an interactive newsletter, so that we publish the letters of
our subscribers, brainstorming problems relating influence of extraterrestrials
on human civilizations. It is very influenced by Z. Sitchin's books and
in fact he has subscribed himself in December. We are also having other
scientists from all areas subscribing. Things are picking up, subscribers
start to realize at last how things work in terms of interaction with the
otheres. If interested, leave me a note.

Regards,
Vladislav
From: robbob@bbs.draco.bison.mb.ca (robert frost)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: RE: KIBOF
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:09:07 GMT
Organization: The Draco Unix System [BBS]

robbob@bbs.draco.bison.mb.ca (robert frost) writes:

> victor.volkman@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Victor Volkman)  writes:
> 
> > -> By the way folks I'm on vacation right now so I can't post.
> > -> James_-_Kibo_-_Parry
> > 
> > So who cares?
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 

Sha I think he thinks that we care about him! :) 



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From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: the Einstein conspiracy (TM)??
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:01:50 GMT
Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology

In article <qJH6wB1w165w@sys6626.bison.mb.ca>, toad@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (toad) writes:
> cmorken@ub.d.umn.edu (Chris Morken) writes:
> 
>> In article <C0EnGx.7AM@mach1.wlu.ca> kfisher3@mach1.wlu.ca (kevin fisher U) w
>> >Can anyone out there provide me with info on the idea I've heard floating
>> >around that Einstein actually finished his unified field theory (but, of
>> >course, it was covered up by the gov't and is being used in secret UFO
>> >experiments or something)??
>> 
>> No, I'm quite confident that Einstein couldn't have finished his Unified
>> Theory, because he was wrong about a few major aspects of the theory, like
>> for instance he refused to believe in Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.
>> Einsteins's attempt at a theory seemed to work on a large-scale, but fails
>> when the normally weak force of gravity becomes very large due to something
>> such as a black hole.  Without aceptance of the uncertainty principle he
>> could never come up with a Unified Theory.
>> 
>> cmorken
> 
> just for the record, 
>    Einstein did publish a few versions of his unified field theory, 
> though published in German scientific papers, they were not thought of as 
> being satisfactory to him, so his studies kept him going on the basis of 
> a theory that would better satisfy what he was trying to attain. However, 
> it should be fairly easy to get these older versions - Try sci.physics 
> for more information - perhaps someone from the European  community might 
> help you with that.

His book "The meaning of relativity" outlines the general form that any
unified theory would have to (in Einstein's view) take. It then sort
of gets stuck. My copy of the book has about 30 pages missing towards
the end in the GR and Unified Field chapters which doesn't help matters
... Not that I think this is a conspiracy -- just a cock up by the
printers which most readers never notice :-)

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