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From: pierce@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Dave Dalke)
Subject: Re: Lane Conditions (was Re: PBA Card)
Followup-To: alt.sport.bowling
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 13:31:47 GMT

 
> 	What type of lane condition do you consider to be tough (or
> 	easy)?
> 
> I don't consider the offset-Christmas Tree pattern used by the PBA in
> some events to be particularly difficult.  The ABC tournament has a
> reasonably fair shot, depending on the year, it seems!  Short Oil -- a
> joke! System of Bowling -- a better joke!  Roy Hoernke's 20-board fall
> back -- heaven!
> 
> So we all have different likes and dislikes.  I think it would be
> interesting to hear what kind of conditions bowlers around the world
> (like to/not like to) bowl on....


	Often I sit at home and watch the finals on Saturday afternoons and wonder
how I could do on that "Christmas Tree pattern" that Bo draws on the
monitor.  Personally I like that outside shot that is a little forgiving if
you chug one and miss inside a couple of boards.
	The condition that I really despise is the revesre block that used to be
so prevalent at AMF houses.  I am a member of the Amatuer Bowlers Tour
which is a national organization that just started a chapter in the
Chicagoland area.  They have tournaments that run every week that are
geared toward the average bowler.  One really nice aspect of the
organization is that you get the chance to travel to many different houses
and play on many different shots.  The director of this chapter likes to
make sure that the shot varies from week to week so as not to promote the
same people always being in the money.  The other condition that I have run
into besides the reverse block that I find difficult to hit is the heavy,
long oil pattern from gutter to gutter.  When I go into a place and pull
out the softest peice of equipment that I own, and slow down to 14-15 mph
and I still can't get the ball to move, I know I should have stayed home. 
Or I should say, I know that I don't have to worry about coming back for
the semi-finals.
	I guess I should point out that I am a "down and in" player and don't put
enough revs on the ball to rip its cover off.  I have noticed that people
who adopt this style seem to do well on the conditions that leave me wiping
off ounces of oil after every shot.  But that is one of the things that I
think make the sport enjoyable.  Diversity.
	I'd still like the oppurtunity to bowl for a year's salary on that
Christmas tree shot.:)


Dave Dalke
Northwestern University
Evanston, IL

pierce@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: Re: just curious
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:00:11 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

pktst+@pitt.edu (Pat K Thompson) writes:
> 
> on a different subject, how is the Sumo anyway?

I really like my black Sumo... it hooks hard and can work with oily lanes.
Like Aki said the other day... it can be a bit hard to control sometimes,
and if the lanes are dry you have two choices... throw it at 30mph or put
it away... hope this helps...

Dave
From: mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu (MARK ALLAN HUNT)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: New bowling balls...
Date: 4 Sep 92 02:54:07 GMT
Reply-To: mahunt@eos.ncsu.edu (MARK ALLAN HUNT)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: mahunt@c00378-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu


I would ver much like a purple hammer.How much would this cost and what would be
the method of payment?

mark hunt
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From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: Reconditioning urethane balls
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:07:36 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.234121.14918@hspice.portal.com> gregw@hspice.portal.com (Greg Widdicombe) writes:
[about sanding/resurfacing bowling balls] 
>
>I thought I read (here?) somewhere a technique where you stick
>a broom handle into the thumb hole of the ball, stick the other
>end of the handle (shortened and somehow thinned) into a drill,
>then spin the ball and sand away.

This might work ok if the thumb hole in the ball is pitched to 
0-0 (zero lateral pitch and no forward or reverse pitch) or 
fairly close to it.  Otherwise, if you (are able to) hold the 
drill steady, the ball will wobble; and if you can steady the 
ball, the drill would wobble...if you *can* get this to work,
hey, more power to ya!  The cheapest effective method yet!

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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: BUD II's roots...
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In article <1992Sep2.174651.17182@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Mark Fujimoto,
c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu writes:
>I've never heard this version of why the BUD II is called what it is. 
>I know of the Budweiser-PBA feuding, but never about the tie-in with
>the ball.  Even Columbia's ad even says BUD II stands for _B_lack
>_U_  - _D_ot II, which makes sense to me.  Plus, if the Budweiser ball
>was such a hot item, why didn't the manufacturer (or Columbia) continue
>to make it red?  But a great coincidence on Columbia's part, however!

that's _exactly_ why the manufactuer is saying that.  To avoid all
references to the Budweiser tag that started the whole lawsuit.  I
didn't know about the details of the lawsuit until the last PBA meeting
I attended in Akron.  I asked the commissoner what was all the hoopla
about and that's when he told me about the budweiser (bowtie) fight.

Also on another note...I bet most people don't know that almost all
(if not ALL) of AMF's balls are now made by Ebonite?  I found this
out when I ordered my Sumo from AMF and received it in an Ebonite
box!  I called up my friend who owns a pro shop and he said it's
true.  AMF contracts out their manufacturing to Ebonite.  I assume they
still do their own research though...

-aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-Mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
*********************************
How come the best ball for me is always
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From: rich@clear.com (Rich Krause)
Subject: Youth Bowling
Organization: Clear Communications Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:07:27 GMT

Does any one have an opinion about when or how to begin to teach a
child how to bowl properly?  This will be the start of the second
year of bowling for my seven year old son and I'm wondering when
I should get him away from the walk up to the line, stop, and throw
style. 

Also, I've seen a little talk about equipment, but no one mentioned
the Purple Hammer.  I just bought one and so far it seems to be working
exactly how I want it to.  I average between 185 and 190 bowling
six games a week and don't get to try everything that comes out.  I
bought the Purple Hammer because I liked my last ball, a Blue Hammer.

The new Rhino Pro seems to be popular with this group.  Has someone
out there in net.land tried both the Rhino and the Purple Hammer.  If
so can you send/post a comparison?

-

Rich
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From: pierce@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Dave Dalke)
Subject: Re: PBA Card
Followup-To: alt.sport.bowling
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:27:21 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.153435.1009@worldbank.org>, aki
<aki@atlas.worldbank.org> wrote:

> Personally,  (IHMO) bashing pro bowlers (which I kinda feel was hinted
> at) is not fair.
> There are ALOT of PBA members that work hard, love their sport and feel
> that
> getting a PBA card is the accomplishment of a life long goal.   They use
> the status
> of a being a professional not only to bowl more competatively but also
> because
> alot of people will listen to someone with a PBA card for lessons than
> someone
> who doesn't.  If that's what necessary to help promote the sport and get
> more
> people interested into the sport then I'm all for it.
>

	I can't speak for anyone else, but I wasn't hinting about PBA bashing at
all.  I think there are a lot of people that are amatuers that also work
hard on their game and love the sport as well.   The point about having a
card to lend credibility to lessons is one I never thought of, and I
suppose it is sound.
	When I wrote earlier that I would enjoy the oppurtunity to bowl for a
year's salary on the shot that is occasionally seen on televsion, it was
out of envy.  I don't think I could last bowling 56 quality games that
would put me in that position to be able to bowl for the big bucks.  
	
	Perhaps AKI, you could enlighten me about this card business.  Is it true
that there are different kinds of cards?   I see in advertisements for
various tournaments here and there that they are open to non-level 2 card
carrying pros, or something to that effect.  So I was wondering if there
exist different levels of card, say for regional events, versus the guys
that bowl for the tv dollars.

  
> I joined for several reasons, I wanted to bowl in more competetive events
> where
> there was more money involved, achieve a life long goal (how many people
> can
> actually SAY they are a professional in ANY sport they love?) and being an
> avid bowling instructor I felt the students felt more comfortable being
> taught
> by a pro.
> 

I think I have a bias about turning pro. First off, I will say that I am
not nearly good enough to remotely consider the idea.  But if I were, I
think I would have reservations because I think that there is more money to
be won as an amatuer than there is as a pro.  Maybe I have the wrong idea,
but I'd like to hear discussion on the topic, if anyone is willing.


>> 
> huh? what?  OH LANE CONDITIONS?  Damn!  Well then never mind...
> 
> BTW I hate them all, but personally I like oily conditions best, why? 
> because you will ALWAYS know what the balls NOT going to do!  No
> guesswork involved! Ha ha...
> -aki


	Yes, that is a good point about the oily conditions, you always know that
if you send it, it will not return!

Dave Dalke
Northwestern University
Evanston, IL

pierce@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
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From: gregw@.hspice.portal.com (Greg Widdicombe)
Subject: The Ballad of Del Ballard
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 16:05:13 GMT

My apologies to the PBA players concerned, and to Tony (Hi Tony!)
who promptly threw one in the sewer after I cautioned him not to
"Ballard" the ball while shooting for a six pin last night :-)

Sung to the tune of the "Beverly Hillbillies"

"Let me tell you a story 'bout a man named Del,
 Threw the ball out wide, and into the trough it fell.
 Lost the title match, was so mad that he could spew,
 To a guy with a name just like a barbequuuuuuuue."

"Webber that is, Peter Webber.
 Backlift extreme, cranker supreme."

"Well the next thing you know, ol' Del's on every show.
 'Why the Hell did ya do it', asked the dude named Bo.
 'Duh ... I don't know,' was all that came from Del,
 'I just threw the ball out wide, and into the trough it fell.'"

"Gutter Ball,
 A Texan Strike."


[and if you think this one is bad, you should have heard the version
 that goes to theme song from "Gilligan's Island]

"Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale,
 Of a good ol' boy named Del.
 Needed just five pins to win the title match,
 But into the gutter it fell."

"Now poor ol' Del got mighty pissed,
 And from the lanes he steamed.
 Left Pete to hold the trophy up high,
 And smash it to smithereens."

... and so on ...

My apologies if my jumbled bowling memories have mixed dissimilar
matches, it *was* the Ballard gutter ball match where Pete Webber
dropped the porcelain eagle trophy wasn't it?
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From: aki@nimbus@UUNET.UU.NET
Subject: Re: New bowling balls...
Organization: The World Bank
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:17:46 GMT

In article <wperz.6.715296418@edc3jr.gpsh.pitt.edu> wperz@edc3jr.gpsh.pitt.edu
(Walter G. Perz) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.211143.1431@worldbank.org> aki@atlas.worldbank.org (aki)
writes:
>>From: aki@atlas.worldbank.org (aki)
>>Subject: New bowling balls...
>>Date: 31 Aug 92 21:11:43 GMT>>Just a quick note...I periodically get notices
in the mail
>Is that an outrageous price?  I wouldn't know as this will be my first pair 
>of _good_ bowling shoes.
>
>Let me know what you think.
>
>TTFN
>
>Walter
>
>

Depends on the type of Linds you are looking at.  If its
for the Classics, yes that IS outragous.  Around here,
the classics are running around $79.00 a pair.  If you
are looking for the Classics (they are GREAT, I wouldn't
use any other brand), let me know, send me your size and
I can do some calling around.  If the price is right, I
can get them sent to you.  Somebody sounds like they
are trying to gouge you.  As for shoes, unfortunately
not, the only thing I've seen so far is adverts for 
balls.  But who knows?  I've even received adverts for
PBA beer mugs (I ordered them, they are *nice*)!.
-Aki

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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: BUD II's roots...
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In article <1838kfINN7lp@agate.berkeley.edu> Mark Fujimoto,
mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu writes:
>Did you know (part II)...that the black Hammer wasn't Faball's first
ball?
>Before the black Hammer, they made an nameless brownish-orange acrylic
>ball.  Obviously not a great seller...but definitely a collector's item!


oh my GAWD!  Now someones going to start collecting BOWLING BALLS...
My wife nearly shot me when I was up to _26_ balls...now I think I'll
go home and tell her I'm going to throw away all of the beer bottles I've
been collecting (mainly ales :-) ). and start collecting bowling balls!
Hmm...now if wonder if anyone sells mounting brackets to hang balls
from the wall.....

-aki
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From: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com (Bob Ashley)
Subject: Monday Mixed League Openings in DC/Northern VA
Reply-To: ashley@oasis.gtefsd.com
Organization: GTE Federal Systems Division
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 01:34:32 GMT

 
The NFL Mixed League is in search of teams and individual bowlers on Monday
evenings at 9:00pm, at Fair Lanes, Centreville, VA.  The Monday Night Football
games can be seen while you bowl.  The first night of the league is THIS
Monday, 31 August 1992.  The league will NOT bowl on Labor Day Monday, 7
September 1992.
 
Average is NOT IMPORTANT in this league, as it is a HANDICAPPED league.  Teams
are comprised of five persons, although only a 4:1 ratio is needed to be
eligible to bowl.  Teams can carry up to seven players on their regular roster.
 
The NFL Mixed league is a FUN league, where everyone enjoys bowling regardless
of the skill level.  This is a great opportunity to meet new people, have fun,
and improve your bowling skills.
 
For more information or to join the league, contact either myself (the League
Secretary, e-mail address and phone number at the end of this post), or Fair
Lanes in Centrevile, VA, at 703-830-3700.
 
Hope to see you out there.


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Software Engineer, (703)-818-4656  | Winter Leagues 1992-1993
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From: gregw@.hspice.portal.com (Greg Widdicombe)
Subject: Reconditioning urethane balls
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 16:06:35 GMT

Is there a "standard" method to dull a urethane ball after
it becomes shiny (assuming it isn't supposed to be shiny :-).
I have a Blue Angle in my garage that has about 400 games on
it, and I would like to use it as a slightly harder ball than
my "suck the lane dry" Turbo.  At first I thought, "Hmmm ...
sand it."  So I hit it with some 220 grit wet-and-dry, but it
looked too "scratchy".  Next, I attacked with a brillo pad, which
smoothed out the scratches.  Finally I gave it a scrub with
some alcohol and it didn't look too bad.

The bad news was my thumb didn't fit anymore so I stuck it back
in the garage :-(.

Is there a "proper" way to do this?  [Especially one that requires
power tools Argh Argh Argh]
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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: just curious...
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In article <92245.52271.L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> ,
L621035@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
>TAN to AKI:  I *know* of your dad, & can see his bldg., but I've never
been
>over there to talk to him.  I'm a support group, & his group doesn't
need our
>support! :-))  Pamela
 
The phantom never really got off the ground.  I tried it for about a
week and _just_didn't_like_it_at_all.  Consequently, I gave it
away.  The BUD II is a nice ball, alittle pricey I think but never the
less a good ball.

If you have a privately owned pro shop in your area and want to
try out a phantom, usually you can pick up a used/plugged one
for around $50 and usually includes drilling.  It's a cheap way
to find out if a particuliar ball will work for you.

TAN to Pam:  Cool!  If you ever get the chance, give him a call and
tell him I said hi!  Tell dad I think I can take him on at the alley
now! ;-)  .....

***************************************
-Aki                                     
The Worldbank Wash D.C.
E-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
****************************************
"How come the best ball for me is always the
one I don't own?"
From: wperz@edc3jr.gpsh.pitt.edu (Walter G. Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: New bowling balls...
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:26:58 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group, University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Aug31.211143.1431@worldbank.org> aki@atlas.worldbank.org (aki) writes:
>From: aki@atlas.worldbank.org (aki)
>Subject: New bowling balls...
>Date: 31 Aug 92 21:11:43 GMT
>
>Just a quick note...I periodically get notices in the mail
>announcing new bowling balls coming out in the market

What about shoes?

I just ordered a pair of Linds Classic PS shoes and was quoted $107 for 
them (ouch, but they'll last a good while, and I just shot a cheap pair of 
shoes in less than a year)

Is that an outrageous price?  I wouldn't know as this will be my first pair 
of _good_ bowling shoes.

Let me know what you think.

TTFN

Walter

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From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: new balls
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 02:48:36 GMT

In article <5325@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> pktst+@pitt.edu (Pat K Thompson) writes:
>
>Yes, definitely post anything you have on prices of the bowling balls.
>Only one problem, possibly, where do you live??? By the time a ball
>is sent, and drilled, it may cost about as much as just buying the
>ball in the shop (but still probably cheaper---I just spent 130 bucks
>on my Rhino Pro, after inserts and tax and stuff).
>Good luck with the arm, hope it heals up...
>
>mike

Here's a ballpark figure -- the last time I sent a ball UPS from
LA to San Francisco, it cost around $3.50 -- ten years ago.  Depending
on how tight you are with your ball driller, drilling a blank that
isn't from the shop can amount to a pretty penny.  Many shops charge
in the neighborhood of $20-30 to drill a blank; add $5-10 if it's
urethane; add $5-15 for a pair of finger grips, $5-15 for a thumb
slug/insert; and an exotic balance may tack on as much as $30 more.
Oh, and don't forget the time factor.  The bowler always wants it now!
So, while it is gracious of AKI to offer to sell equipment at a dis-
counted rate, it probably wouldn't hurt to make sure that the whole
deal works out right for you in the first place.  I'd hate to see the
UPS charges on a DC-to-Berkeley run!  But, I get my junk wholesale as
it is (sorry, can't divulge! %^) and I drill it myself, so punching a
couple of newbies doesn't flatten out the wallet too badly!

OBbowling: new balls -- look for the latest Champion _Weapon_ (2 new),
HSP Blue Pearl _Storm_ (3-piece), Ebonite _Turbo X_ (can you guess?),
and Columbia has a new ball in the works. 


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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: What happens after a 300?
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In article <1992Sep2.020259.19635@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Mark Fujimoto,
c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu writes:
>I think every bowler is more impressed by an 800 rather than a 300.
>I'd guess that *every* pro has bowled a 300 at some time or another,
>but probably not the same case for 800's.  An 800 is more difficult,
>but I feel there's more pressure with a 300.  What?  I'll explain:
>an 8 can be done in many ways; you can even have up to 4 open frames
>in a three-game set and still shoot 800+.  But a 300 can be done in
>only one way -- 12-in-a-row during a single game.  Do you feel
>pressured with a long string of X's?  It's a tangible thing, because
>you and everyone else can see your string.  Often, league/tournament
>bowlers won't even realize an 800 has been shot until after it has
>been done.  But no matter which one gets shot first, the other becomes
>more difficult!
 I agree.  A 300 is ALOT harder to do (especially more than once).  
Unfortunately a 300 by itself is impressive but an 800 shows more
consistancy as a bowler.  There are alot more 300's that are bowled
(in league and in pro tournament play) than 800 sets, which are rare.
I'd take 800's all day long over a singular 300, I remember the first
300 I threw, I was so shaken up over it that I shot a 603 set!

***************************************
-Aki                                     
The Worldbank Wash D.C.
E-mail: akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
****************************************
"How come the best ball for me is always the
one I don't own?"
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: gregw@.hspice.portal.com (Greg Widdicombe)
Subject: What happens after a 300?
Organization: Meta - Software
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:46:59 GMT

Just what does happen after you bowl a 300 game (apart from
drinks all round and that stuff :-)  Assuming you are bowling
in a sanctioned league, when are the lanes tested for "correctness",
and when do they check your ball and so on.  What would stop someone
from using an illegal ball, then substituting when it had to be
checked.  What happens if you roll a 300 in the first game of
the night under legal conditions, and they then change during
the course of the night and become illegal.

Enquiring (and aspiring) minds need to know!

On a related note, are "Pro's" more impressed by 300 games or
800 series?  Obviously one doesn't bowl an 800 every night,
maybe only once a year, but would lots of 300's beat a couple
of 800's?


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