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From: Frank Bonnet <bonnetf@apo.esiee.fr>
Subject: SR10.4 invol and WD7000 controller with 760 Mb disk
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 07:44:38 GMT
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Hi,

I'm in trouble running the invol utility at SR10.4 on two 
DN3500.

They crashed after the question that asks you for the 
Physical volume name. 
At this time the program seems to be stopped for a few 
moments and at last the machine crash with the stcode 
80003 : crash disk controller time-out (OS/disk manager)

Those two machines have a WD7000 controller supplied by 
Apollo.

- One of them has one 700 Mb disk
- The other one has two 700 Mb disks. 

I suspect there is a problem with the rev. of those 
controllers or a bug inside the invol program ...

In a word  ===>  INVOL-SR10.4 + WD-7000 + 700 Mb disk = CRASH ! 

Does somebody has this kind of trouble ? Could it be cured ?
 
Any help welcome ! 

Frank Bonnet      
bonnetf@apo.esiee.fr  

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*               SO I DID THIS ONE MANUALLY                    *
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From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!destroyer!terminator!pisa.citi.umich.edu!rees@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Jim Rees)
Subject: Re: dumping executable images?
Organization: University of Michigan IFS Project
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:00:49 GMT
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In article <HALL.92Aug18161154@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu>, hall@cs.uidaho.edu (Kelly Hall) writes:

  Will the new version be able to cope with:
   ".rwdi section needs relocation  cannot dump Emacs"?
  
  I'm going slightly bonkers trying to figure this one out.  Any ideas?

Here's what I put in the Epoch etc/APOLLO file about this problem:

When you try to dump emacs, you may get the message ".rwdi section needs
relocation."  This means you are linking with some code that has compressed
data sections.  In some cases this comes from linking with X libraries.  Try
using shared X libraries instead.  With some versions of Domain/OS this is
as simple as removing the "-lX11" from the link command line.  If you still
have trouble, try compiling with the "-W0,-ncompress" option (probably a
good idea anyway).
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From: caen!umeecs!dip.eecs.umich.edu!dmuntz@uunet.uu.net  (Daniel A Muntz)
Subject: Using an Apollo 16" color monitor elsewhere
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:48:09 GMT
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I'd like to use an Apollo 16" color monitor (model 007284) on another
machine, specifically, in place of a megapel display on an IBM RT.
Are there pots to turn somewhere so I can play with the scan rate?

  -Dan
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From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!caen!destroyer!terminator!pisa.citi.umich.edu!rees@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Jim Rees)
Subject: Re: Old Apollo system wanted....
Organization: University of Michigan IFS Project
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:44:28 GMT
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In article <1992Aug18.172226.908@u.washington.edu>, davidb@zeus.ce.washington.edu (David W. Barts) writes:

  With power consumption like that, you can also sell your old furnace
  since you won't be needing it any more.

Exactly.  Last winter I turned the thermostat down to 58F (that's about 14C)
and slept in the computer room.  My gas bill was under $600 for the year,
and that included $180 for hot water and $120 for the pilot light in my old
octopus furnace.  We won't go into my electric bill.

In fact, I'm having my furnace removed next week.  And I live in Michigan.
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From: agate!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!mips!sdd.hp.com!caen!gthelen@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Greg Thelen)
Subject: Apollo ethernet card.
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 21:36:56 GMT
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Does anyone know of anywhere I can get a 3com505 ethernet card for a DN3000?


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From: thompson@pdx.mentor.com
Subject: re: sio vs tty (was High speed modem attached to 3500)
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:59:37 GMT
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> => P.S.  What's the difference between using /dev/sio1 vs. /dev/tty01?  They
> =>       both seem to work with kermit.
> I don't know the exact difference but I can give you some effects:
>   1)  We've written our own getty to be able to handle some of the
>       hayes stuff and this cause problems when using /dev/sio? because
>       it seems to ignore the hardware handshake stuff, even when it is
>       set using BSD calls
>   2)  When using /dev/tty?? and doing a /com/tctl on that same line.
>       Then the hardware flips one of the hardware line, the moden goes
>       down and the apollo-side terminates the session.
> 
>       I haven't really looked very deep into this, and depending on
>       given time will probably never be able to do so. 
>       (Disabeling /com/tctl is fast and cheap. :-) )

>From the 10.1 (!!) release notes.  It's probably also in the later release notes
too.  I won't try to interpret the info presented here, since I try to avoid 
being involved with hardware.  (This from a sys-admin!  :-)

:      UNIX SIO line software now fully supports all UNIX line protocol
:      semantics. The Aegis SIO software continues to support the Aegis
:      semantics. As a result, the /dev/sio# files and the corresponding
:      /dev/tty0# files refer to the same devices, except that the state of
:      the DCD line is always ignored on open by /dev/sio# devices.  For a
:      detailed description of this change and its effects, see _Making_The_
:      _Transition_To_SR10_Operating_System_Releases.
: 
:      The SR10 SIO software initializes the /dev/sio# devices to settings
:      different than those used in previous releases.  Use the -default
:      option of the tctl command to obtain the pre-SR10 settings.  For exam-
:      ple, to set SIO line 3 to the pre-SR10 settings, do this:
: 
:           tctl -default -line 3


-- jt --
John Thompson
Design Services Engineer / Sys-Admin
Honeywell, SSEC
Plymouth, MN  55441
thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com

What do I know?  I'm just a Token Administrator.
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From: mcsun!sunic!ugle.unit.no!DAHLS%FHYDRA.FYSEL.UNIT.NO@uunet.uu.net  (Joern Yngve Dahl-Stamnes)
Subject: restricting login on a node
Organization: University of Trondheim, NORWAY
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 18:01:09 GMT
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Hello.

I want to prevent some users to log on my Apollo workstation. How do
I do that? Is there a file that I can specify which users that are allowed
to log on a given workstation?

Please e-mail me. Thanx in advace.

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* I said, "I'm crazy ma, help me!"    * University of Trondheim            *
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From: thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com ((jt) John Thompson)
Subject: re: Striping on a DN10k...
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Distribution: fj
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 14:41:01 GMT
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> I am trying to stripe two disks together on a DN10k using SR10.4.
> INVOL is giving me many headaches about this. Has anyone ...
> Basically, I choose option 1 -m (format virgin with intention to
> stripe), and it asks me which volume, so I say w (for winchester, or
> w0:0 also works). It asks me more questions, then asks me for the
> volume to add. This is where I am lost. Anything I try here says
> "Unable to locate disk" or something like that. Help!

Ok.  First off, I haven't done it at 10.4, so if there's a bug at 10.4, I may
not have any solutions.

1) Have you run the self-test (done automatically on boot, or by entering
   'TE' at the IP0> prompt if you're in service mode)?  If you _have_, record
   what controllers/drives it finds.  If you haven't, then run it.  After you
   have that info, do you see what you expect for 'passed' equipment?
   
2) If you don't get a drive passing when you think it's there, then make sure
   that it's hooked up right.  If you got it third party, you will need to 
   run option 7 (initialize badspot list) before you can do anything with it.
   Have you?
   
3) Have you tried invol-ing the second (third/fourth) disk without striping?
   It's not technically necessary, but I prefer to invol the drives one at a
   time, and then invol them again with striping.  That way, I get a warm fuzzy
   feeling about each drive, and I get to waste more time at work.   :-)
   
4) If you still can't get it going, please send me e-mail with the info from
   above (what disks are there, and the INVOL transcript).  Are you able to 
   boot diskless off another node?  If so, the transcripts are a lot easier
   to get, and the reboot intervals are a lot shorter....
   

-- jt --
John Thompson
Design Services Engineer / Sys-Admin
Honeywell, SSEC
Plymouth, MN  55441
thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com

What do I know?  I'm just a Token Administrator.
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From: ftpbox!mothost!citi.prds.cdx.mot.com!bush@uunet.uu.net  (Michael Bush)
Subject: Re: DN2500 crashes
Organization: none
Distribution: fj
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 12:32:13 GMT
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brunkow@btree.uucp (Susan Brunkow) writes:




>One of our DN2500's crashes once every couple of weeks,
>with stcode 000B0008.   The corresponding error message is

>   manual stop: type G<ret>G *+2 to continue

Note that this "error" can be triggered if the following two
things happen:

1)  The machine is in service mode
2)  You type Ctrl-Ret

I ran into this problem when one of the users here wanted to
keep his machine in service mode, and then hit the right
key sequence.

I have also seen this happen spontaneously; but never found
the cause (other than the usual cosmic rays).
-- 
Mike Bush
Motorola Codex - Mansfield, MA
bush@cae.prds.cdx.mot.com or bush_m@msm.cdx.mot.com
No, make that bush@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Thanks Motorola)
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From: snorkelwacker.mit.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aj681@bloom-beacon.mit.edu  (Carlin Wiegner)
Subject: Old Apollo system wanted....
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:06:54 GMT
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I need an old multiuser system, I was looking at PDP-11s but
they need 3 phase power which isn't the easiest thing to get.
Did apollo make any old unix based multiuser systems that
didn't require 3 phase power? Please email replies...
CW
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From: thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com ((jt) John Thompson)
Subject: re: diskless apollo 400 ?
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 22:14:34 GMT
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. weule@mx.cs.uni-duesseldorf.de (J"org Weule) writes
> I have a new apollo 400. ... want to install SR10.4
> on the secound disk (w5:0). Is this possible to install
> the software from the tapes on the secound disk?
You should be able to load the tapes in using the RAI tools.  Just create an
'install' directory at the mount point (//w6_0/w5_0/install) of the second disk, 
and tell minst that that's your <AA> (-s //w6_0/w5_0).  You should then be able
to install from there to anywhere, including to the volume //w6_0/w5_0).  Unlike
the Suns and HP-UX machines, you can load an O/S on any volume you want.

> How can I boot from the secound disk? 
According to my handy-dandy "HP/Apollo 9000 Series 400 Domain/OS Owners Manual"
you specify an alternate boot disk as
    DI sd#:#
In your case, 'sd5:0' for scsi ID 5.  (This is on page 10-10 of the manual.)


> ...boot another mashine diskless (400 also) connected with an
> ethernet.n I configured the first mashine, so that
> ethernet is network 1 - own traffic only - all service
> allowed. I started netman and typed on the other 
>   DI E
>   EX Domain_OS
If the diskless machine has a disk drive, this won't work.  (I don't recognize
the 'E' option to DI either, but then, I use ATR mainly.)  If it doesn't have a
disk, see the next attempt's problem.

>   PNET E
>   DI N
>   EX DOMAIN_OS
> but always got a timeout.
Although //node1 is running netman, I will bet that you haven't told it to 
offer services to //node2 (the node ID actually).  It is necessary to run
netman, but unless you change the /sys/net/diskless_list file to have the
nodeIDs entered, it won't respond to the broadcast queries that //node2
is generating.  
HOWEVER, if you say 'DI N 12345' (where 12345 is the nodeID of //node1), then
you should be fine.  Netman will ALWAYS answer a direct query.  If you want/
need to prevent a machine from letting somebody boot diskless off it, then
you need to massage 'netman.rc' (a link to either netman.bin_sh or netman.com_sh)
to inspect and reject certain machines.  (This was discussed about a year(?) ago,
but I only remember generalities.)


Hope this helps....
-- jt --
John Thompson
Design Services Engineer / Sys-Admin
Honeywell, SSEC
Plymouth, MN  55441
thompson@pan.ssec.honeywell.com

What do I know?  I'm just a Token Administrator.
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From: munnari.oz.au!metro!usage!csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au!u2116318@uunet.uu.net
Subject: Re: colormap "black" not found under X11
Organization: University of New South Wales
Distribution: fj
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 11:01:38 GMT
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In article <1992Aug17.170237.10335@amd.com>, dwork@angelo.amd.com (Jeff Dwork) writes:
> In article <1992Aug8.111553.2833@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> u2116318@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>>Our school has a lot of apollos workstation
>>but when I start X windows server
>>it always complain 
>>colormap "black" not found
>>any one know what's wrong with the program?
>>we are using X11.4 on old apollos(68k)machine
> 
> Do you have a colorful picture as your root window?
> We have seen this happen with pictures with many colors.
> Setting the root window to something simple fixes the problem.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> --
it happens to be both color and mono monitor
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From: librarian@iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu (InterWorks librarian)
Subject: The InterWorks library in New Orleans
Organization: International HP Workstation users' group (InterWorks)
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:54:25 GMT
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In a previous msg, I indicated that HP-Corvallis had contributed many of
the "core" X11R5 binaries for m68k machines to InterWorks, which I have
made available on iworks. It now appears that HP will also provide the
source to much of the X11R5 stuff by conference time. Note that this
package will not include any server however. Through the diligent work 
of many people, InterWorks will also be making available for the first 
time a CD of the entire library, in addition to the normal tape media.
Everything I have will be available in the InterWorks "TECH" room in the
Hyatt Regency. Don't forget to bring along anything you have to contribute.

If you need last minute registration information, please contact Carol
Relph as listed below. I understand reduced registration is available 
through Tuesday (18th). I have also included a few items from the 
conference program below which caught my eye..

Carol Relph
(508) 436-5046
relph_c@apollo.hp.com
    -or-
on-site at the Hyatt Regency InterWorks Registration/Hospitality Desk

--a few selected items from the conference program--
System Administration Tutorials
  HP-UX vs. Domain/OS
  UNIX System Security
  The OSF Distributed Computing Environment- The HP Apollo Perspective

Contributed talks
   Migrating Source Code From Domain to HP-UX; The ADVISE Tool and Languages Compatibility Issues
   Domain 10.4 and More... It's Up To You
   Highlights of the OSF Member Meeting in Munich
   Hewlett-Packard Operating Systems Panel Discussion
   Series 700 and Beyond
   Designing a Heterogeneous HP Network-Domain and HP-UX, ATR and Ethernet
   Networks in Transition-The Evolution of an Apollo Network
   The Effect of X Terminals on Client-Server Systems
   Shared X
   DSEE Migration Alternatives - Panel Discussion

Dave Shaw
InterWorks librarian
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From: jjhayes@nbrwh75.bnr.ca (Jeff Hayes)
Subject: Re: advice on backup systems
Reply-To: jjhayes@x400gate.bnr.ca
Organization: Northern Telecom Public Switching, Bramalea Product Tech. S908
Distribution: fj
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 19:32:59 GMT
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we have an Exabyte 5 gig 8mm drive here and it is Wonderful!
Easy to use, supported HP product and is VERY reliable.
Caveat: we use internally developed s/w to run the thing so
if the driving s/w is not good you may wind up not agreeing
with me.

In article <lyndon.714069961@angelo>, lyndon@angelo.amd.com (Lyndon C. Lim) writes:
_]hi.  we have a ring of 3000's, 4500's, and 425t's here
_]at work.  i think we will need to purchase an archival
_]backup system in the near future.  i would appreciate
_]any suggestions and comments on your experiences with
_]such systems, for example, 4mm-DAT and 8mm-VIDEO.
_]
_]also, any suggestions about a scsi-based system which
_]could be moved between sun and apollo computers would
_]be particularly helpful.
_]
_]thanks,
_]lyndon c.

but i hope not..

jeff hayes                      ESN 333-3894   phone (416) 452-3894
jjhayes@ix400gate.bnr.ca        Northern Telecom, Prod Tech, Bramalea Ont
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From: van-bc!ubc-cs!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!mips!munnari.oz.au!metro!wonga@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: NCS 2.0 and previous versions
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Distribution: fj
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 15:34:41 GMT
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I'm a bit confused about running NCS 2.0 in a network with older versions
of NCS (i.e. 1.5.1). Are there any special flags for either 'llbd/rpcd'
or 'glbd' in either the 2.0 or 1.5.1 versions?

If the default protocol for 'glbd' in NCS 2.0 is ip, does that mean I 
have to run the older 'glbd' **specifically** with the ip family?

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From: Roger A. Katz <roger@gw1.ags.bnl.gov>
Subject: tcp/ip node addressing problem
Organization: Electrotechnical Laboratory, Tsukuba Science City
Distribution: fj
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:10:58 GMT
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Sorry if this is a repeat....Having mailing problems too!...:)
	Situation.
	
	I have two ATR networks. There are two nodes which have 
two ring cards and act as the bridge/gateway. Both networks are 
using DDS network protocols. One network is also using IP and works 
fine (class 'C' network : 192.33.128). I am setting up IP on the 
second network (also a class 'C' network : 192.153.161). The nodes 
on the second network were originally on the first network, and 
therefore once had other IP addresses.
	
	Step 1.

	I have set up the tcp_admin node for the new network on one
of the bridges.  It has a new /etc/hosts file with all the new IP
addresses. 
	
	My nmconfig is set to use host_ascii.
	
	I kill all tcp related processes on the bridge.
	
	I run /etc/sys_sh /etc/rc.local on the bridge
	
	It starts fine.  It's /etc/ifconfigs look good.
	
	Step 2.
	
	On a node in the new network, i change its /etc/tcp_admin
	link to point to the bridge node i just started.
	
	I kill all tcp related processes.
	
	I run /etc/sys_sh /etc/rc.local.
	
	Everything starts.
	
	But!!!
	
	/etc/ifconfig net0 returns its old, previous network ip number!!!!!!
	
	What's going on????
	
	% /etc/sys_sh /etc/rc.local
? ->	% /etc/ifconfig net0
	dr0: flags=43<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING>
	     inet 192.33.128.38 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 192.33.128.255

	% hostname
	acn30d05
	% grep `hostname` /etc/hosts
	192.153.161.38   acn30d05.ags.bnl.gov acn30d05 11fff
	% nmconfig -l
	hosts type      hostent_ascii
	networks type   netent_ascii
	protocols type  protoent_ascii
	services type   servent_ascii
	% arp `hostname`
? ->	acn30d05 (192.33.128.38) -- no entry
	% arp 11fff
	acn35d02 (192.153.161.38) -- no entry
	% hostname 11fff
	% arp `hostname`
? ->	acn30d05 (192.33.128.38) -- no entry
	% arp acn30d05
	acn35d02 (192.153.161.38) -- no entry
	% /etc/ifconfig net0 acn30d05
	% /etc/ifconfig net0
	dr0: flags=43<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING>
	     inet 192.153.161.38 netmask ff000000 broadcast 192.153.161.255

	
	Is there something special about hostname to IP address resolution
for the 'current host' name? How can I get rid of the old IP address?
                   
Thanks in advance.

Roger

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