HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Subject: Re: Part I, Doctors Secretly Inject Cancer Cells Into Patients
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:23:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.125338.25073@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> jad@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (John DiNardo) writes:

[...]
   Unquote.  Now let me review this again -- what I just read. And
   this is a rare, rare, rare, almost never, never viewed insight into
   how science is actually conducted; and what goes on in the mind of
   a scientist when they're not in front of a television camera, and
   offering a more calm and dispassionate view towards what they're
   doing.  This is a man who would never know that this piece of
   personal correspondence would ever be read on the radio. And he's
   saying the following:  We're going to take a hyperdermic needle and
   we're going to give an injection, in the anterior part of the thigh
   or the arm [of an unsuspecting patient], of live cancer cells of 
   two different kinds of strains.

Just where do you get the idea that the patients are "unsuspecting"?
There is not a word in what you quote that says whether or not the
patients gave their informed consent.  They may have, they may not have,
but there is nothing in those quotes that allows you to draw that
conclusion.

How do you know that the author never knew this correspondence would
become public?  While you may call it "personal correspondence", to me it
reads more like a business letter intended for review and filing.

Your discussion of the notion of debilitating disease is simply idiotic.
Anybody who knows phloem from xylem knows cancer is a debilitating
disease.  But, surprise, there are other non-cancer debilitating
diseases.  It takes either an idiot or liar (your choice) to think that
that is not what the author had in mind.  Don't forget, this was a letter
to another professional, one who would know the difference.  Do you
really think one doctor has to remind another that tuberculosis makes you
sick?
From: ksjrn@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Council on Foreign Relations & Trilateral Commission
Keywords: John Birch Society
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:40:03 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

Recently I read a NEWSWEEK article on the John Birch Society.  It said that the
Birchers considered the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateralist
Commission to be a sinister conspiracy to establish a one-world government, a
New World Order.

I happen to know that the anti-Semitic SPOTLIGHT newspaper of the Washington
based Liberty Lobby preaches the same paranoid doctrine.  Does anyone know of
any other organizations that share this particular delusion?  What about
libertarian groups?

Aside from normal ridicule and knee-jerk rant, can anyone direct me to reasoned
arguments discrediting such a point of view?
From: mark.stevens@spacebbs.com (Mark Stevens) 
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: RFK Killing. What REA
Date: 12 Sep 92 07:17:00 GMT
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Reply-To: mark.stevens@spacebbs.com (Mark Stevens) 


To: cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner)

TW>Anyone know whatever became of Cesar?

One of those tabloid TV shows (A Current Affair, i think) had a program
on RFK.  They showed Cesar walking outside his house (he refused to
talk to them).  They said he worked for Lockheed.
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From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: U of Mich ISR (was Re: Tavistock Institute - Brainwashing Center)
Date: 12 Sep 1992 08:23:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Jody Fairchild says the work she did for the ISR/Survey Research
Center was pretty innocuous. Probably so. However, the list of 
titles I posted show quite a few that would seem to have potential
for social manipulation. Like all those datafiles on economic
attitudes or whatever. (I don't have the list in front of me).
Just because nothing sinister was going on at that time on
those particular projects doesn't mean that their hands are
clean.

-Steve
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From: carlos@dorsai.com (Carlos Domenguiz)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,phl.misc,pa.general,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Forecasters of doom
Date: 12 Sep 92 17:06:43 GMT
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy, New York's Computer Consulate. +1.718.729.5018

bfrg9732@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian F. Redman) writes:
 
> I realize that the huge problems we are facing may cause you to
> opt for denial as a coping mechanism, hence I hesitate to point out
> the weakness of your case thus far. It may interest you to know
> that one of the mechanisms adopted by people who are told they have
> terminal cancer is to *deny* that they have it. So, if writing
> this little treatise in three parts is helping you keep it together,
> maybe I should just let it alone.
> 
Denial... Denial... This guy posted something about the willful 
destruction of our environment by capitalist thugs, and you go off on 
this dumb tangent of DENIAL..
 
Repeat after me... I wont waste bandwidth.. I wont waste bandwidth...
and tap yer red shoes back to Kansas, buddy.
 
 
=============================:) .sig worm ate my .sig files
 
carlos@dorsai.com
From: carlos@dorsai.com (Carlos Domenguiz)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: The Rapture!
Date: 13 Sep 92 05:02:35 GMT
Organization: The Dorsai Embassy, New York's Computer Consulate. +1.718.729.5018

rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes:
 
> [on my copy at least, the address has been carefully blacked out, using 
> what appears to be tar]

Gee, does that mean I should start packing now....
 
HEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!! 
 
=======================:0 .sig worm got mine again!
 
carlos@dorsai.com
 
e-mail welcomed.. flames to alt.dev.null
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From: bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Council on Foreign Relations & Trilateral Commission
Keywords: John Birch Society
Date: 9 Sep 92 19:23:53 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona Computer Science Department

In article <1992Sep8.004003.1@acad3.alaska.edu> ksjrn@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>Recently I read a NEWSWEEK article on the John Birch Society.  It said that the
>Birchers considered the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateralist
>Commission to be a sinister conspiracy to establish a one-world government, a
>New World Order.

Can you find out which issue that was?

>I happen to know that the anti-Semitic SPOTLIGHT newspaper of the Washington
>based Liberty Lobby preaches the same paranoid doctrine.  Does anyone know of
>any other organizations that share this particular delusion?  What about
>libertarian groups?

I suggest you read the book "The Unseen Hand" by Ralph Epperson.
It will conspiracy you to death.

Brandon
From: lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Council on Foreign Relations & Trilateral Commission
Keywords: John Birch Society, MI-6, Coleman, CIA, Bush
Date: 10 Sep 92 22:44:26 GMT

In article <21828@optima.cs.arizona.edu> bsou@cs.arizona.edu (Brandon S. Ou) writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.004003.1@acad3.alaska.edu> ksjrn@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>>Recently I read a NEWSWEEK article on the John Birch Society.  It said that the
>>Birchers considered the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateralist
>>Commission to be a sinister conspiracy to establish a one-world government, a
>>New World Order.
>
>Can you find out which issue that was?
>
>>I happen to know that the anti-Semitic SPOTLIGHT newspaper of the Washington
>>based Liberty Lobby preaches the same paranoid doctrine.  Does anyone know of
>>any other organizations that share this particular delusion?  What about
>>libertarian groups?
>
>I suggest you read the book "The Unseen Hand" by Ralph Epperson.
>It will conspiracy you to death.
>
>Brandon

I also suggest you read the book entitled:

Conspirator's Hierarchy: The Story of The Committee of 300
by Dr. John Coleman
available thru America West Publishers out of Carson City Nevada
or go to any *large* bookstore and have them order it. Garunteed
to set yuo thinking...

Len

DISCLAIMER: My opinions not my employer's

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The accountability of government has gone to the point where the very
use of the law is the instrument of illegality.
		-- Ralph Nader @ Harvard Law School, 1/15/92
From: dabbott@augean.eleceng.adelaide.edu.AU (Derek Abbott)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: You are being watched
Date: 9 Sep 92 01:09:56 GMT
Organization: Electrical and Electronic Eng., University of Adelaide

In article <mjenkins.715708019@cunews> mjenkins@alfred.carleton.ca (Michael Jenkinson) writes:
>The government monitors Internet.
>
>All your names and addresses are being recorded.
>
>Anyone who uses alt.conspiracy will be investigated by the FBI.
>
>You have been warned.


Ah, so that is why posts get mysteriously deleted in alt.conspiracy.jfk

Hmmmmmmmmmm.
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From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Question from a newbie
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 06:21:10 GMT

rahayden@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (Silicon Avatar) writes:

>To what extent was the area around the fence on the grassy knoll searched
>following the shooting?

One of the first Police Officers on the scene claimed to have smelled
gunpowder/gunsmoke in the area, but I don't think any forensic
testing was done in the area. Remember, once attention was shifted to
the TSBD and Oswald, almost no investigation was done of other
evidence. 

For example, James Teague was hit in the face by a piece of
bullet or concrete after a bullet hit a curb near the triple
underpass. The FBI did not test the curbing until August 1964, 
9 months later. The FBI and Dallas Police weren't interested in any
evidence pointing *away* from Oswald and the TSBD.

>Also, were the shell casings found in the book depository ever
>fingerprinted?  what were the results?  did they have LHO's prints on them
>or were they print free?

They were free of fingerprints that could be traced to Oswald.

Interestingly, there is no evidence anyone tested the window frame in
the TSBD to see if gunpowder residue existed there. There is also no
evidence that the Mannlicher-Carcano was fired recently presented anywhere
in the Warren Report.






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From: mst4298@rigel.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd)
Subject: Re: Explosive Bullets (was: How easy was the rifle shot?)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Keywords: pretentious summaries confine us to derisive jeers
Organization: Applied Upyerstemmatey Corp
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 20:53:00 GMT

In article <schuck.715677789@sfu.ca>, Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes...
>kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch) writes:

>>In article <schuck.715632635@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>>>In Dr Guinn's NAA testing, he found elements not normally associated
>>>with Mannlicher-Carcan ammunition.

>>>In addition to Lead, Silver, and Antimony, he found Sodium , Chlorine,
>>>and Aluminum. Would these 'extra' elements point to an explosive
>>>bullet?

>>So, uhhh, which bullet are you talking about here?  CE399, or one of the
>>Connally, Kennedy or limo fragments?

>The data I have in front of me concerns the difference between
>CE399 and the Connally wrist fragment.

>The wrist fragment contained 25% more silver, 850% more copper,
>2400% more Sodium, and 1100% more chlorine than CE399. It also
>contained 8.1 ppm aluminum while CE399 contained none.

	Guinn noted that the trace amounts of these elements tend to
	vary enough within a 6.5mm bullet to make them useless in
	NAA.

	The amount of copper within a sample of an FMJ bullet
	would depend to great extent on whether the sample came from
	the middle of the core or adjacent to the jacket; a sample
	from the margin of the core would have a much greater amount
	of copper than one taken from the center of the core. The
	mechanism for the deformation for CE399, As shown by Lattimer	
	and the WC goat tests, involves part of the core being squeezed
	out of the jacket like toothpaste from a tube. In the process,
	the lead of the outer margin of the resulting base extrusion
	would pick up minute amounts of copper from the jacket. The
	wrist fragments would be *expected* to have a higher amount
	of copper than CE399.
	
	The fragments also spent a considerable amount of time inside
	Connelly's body. Tissues and bodily fuilds contain relatively
	high amounts of chlorine and sodium. These fluids would have
	been able to coat the fragments and soak into pores and other
	unever surfaces. Although Guinn rinsed the fragments in
	distilled water, there is no guarantee, as Guinn admits,
	that all of the fluids would have been washed away. The
	fragments would, again, be expected to have higher amounts
	of chlorine and sodium than CE399.


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From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Explosive Bullets (was: How easy was the rifle shot?)
Keywords: pretentious summaries confine us to derisive jeers
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:02:29 GMT

Jerry Kuch writes: >>> & >
Bruce Schuck (me) >>

>>
>>>So, uhhh, which bullet are you talking about here?  CE399, or one of the
>>>Connally, Kennedy or limo fragments?
>>
>>The data I have in front of me concerns the difference between
>>CE399 and the Connally wrist fragment.
>>
>>The wrist fragment contained 25% more silver, 850% more copper,
>>2400% more Sodium, and 1100% more chlorine than CE399. It also
>>contained 8.1 ppm aluminum while CE399 contained none.

>Is this the HSCA data?  

It's from Guinn's paper in HSCA vol 1 . 
I'm using Kurtz's "Crime of the Century" as a source because I have 
photocopies of those pages.
I've seen Guinn's paper and the percentages correspond.

>What's the deal with the Sodium and chlorine?

Darn good quuestion. All I know is the figures prove to *me*
that CE399 didn't leave fragments behind in John Connallys wrist.
The fragments must have come from some other bullet.

>>I don't have the JFK head fragment results in front of me.
>>The HSCA vol 1 had to go back to the library at the end of 
>>the semester.

>The SFU library had the HSCA volumes?  Impressive....

It actually had a good JFK assassination collection. Maybe one
of the librarians was/is a buff. It also has the full Warren Hearings.

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From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Explosive Bullets (was: How easy was the rifle shot?)
Keywords: pretentious summaries confine us to derisive jeers
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 07:23:09 GMT

kuch@reed.edu (Jerry Kuch) writes:

>In article <schuck.715632635@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>>royc@tcsrtp.uucp (Roy Andrew Crabtree) writes:
>>
>>>The term "frangible" is unfortunately used ambiguously to refer to multiple
>>>types of ammunition:
>>
>>>	1)  Dumdums, or solid cones designed to fragment at impact
>>>	2)  Hollow points, dsigned to spread at impact
>>>	3)  Particulates designed to fragment and spread before/on impact
>>>	  for maximum damage
>>>	4)  _Explosives_ designed to pop just after entry.
>>
>>>The only type of shell an assassin would _not_ be likely to use (other than
>>>an ordinary shell) in a high energy rifle would be 3).  Since _no tests_
>>>seem to have been done by the WC on the aspect of chemanalysis, 4) is a rather
>>>open possibility.  Perhaps the reason the "neutron activation" tests were not
>>>released is the availability of "footprint" in the trace signature
>>>therein provided, relative to chemical composition analysis:  the presence of
>>>an identifiable compound _not_ present in the ordinary "Carcano"
>>>scenario would be rather embarrassing, wouldn't it?
>>
>>In Dr Guinn's NAA testing, he found elements not normally associated
>>with Mannlicher-Carcan ammunition.
>>
>>In addition to Lead, Silver, and Antimony, he found Sodium , Chlorine,
>>and Aluminum. Would these 'extra' elements point to an explosive
>>bullet?
>>

>So, uhhh, which bullet are you talking about here?  CE399, or one of the
>Connally, Kennedy or limo fragments?

The data I have in front of me concerns the difference between
CE399 and the Connally wrist fragment.

The wrist fragment contained 25% more silver, 850% more copper,
2400% more Sodium, and 1100% more chlorine than CE399. It also
contained 8.1 ppm aluminum while CE399 contained none.

I don't have the JFK head fragment results in front of me.
The HSCA vol 1 had to go back to the library at the end of 
the semester.
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From: N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu
Subject: Z-film and Moorman photo GIFs-Where are they?
Organization: Texas A&M University
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:40:50 GMT

    Can anyone tell me where an FTP site for Z-film/Moorman photo
GIFs are?
 
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From: cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner)
Subject: Re: Lattimer, part two
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 00:52:41 GMT

bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:

>In article <cortez.715956507@milton>, cortez@milton.u.washington.edu (Tom Warner) writes:
>|> 
>|> Treasury Department agents? Not that I believe Lattimer without
>|> evidence, but if true. why the Treasury? Who would have gotten them into it?
>|> 

>You don't know what department the Secret Service comes under, do you??

I do by now, of course. But is it o.k. with everyone if Secret Service agents
are called Secret Service agents, which those of us without inborn fascinations
with executive branch departmental breakdowns will more easily recognize?

If someone says Treasury agents, my assumption is going to be that they mean
someone working in some kind of treasury role. I can't think of any reason
to call Secret Service agents "Treasury agents," unless the intention is to
obfuscate.

>bill

>-- 

>     Bill Gunshannon          |        If this statement wasn't here,
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From: schuck@fraser.sfu.ca (Bruce Jonathan Schuck)
Subject: Re: Lattimer, Question Three
Reply-To: Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1992 03:49:01 GMT

Joel Grant >  [Leave the subject line alone this time Joel!]

>Question #3: "When it came out that Dr. Humes had tossed the original
>working drafts of the autopsy notes into the fire in his study,
>after he finished his final copies, people wanted to know why
>they were burned, and attached ominous implications to their
>being burned.  If the doctor has merely thrown them in the wastebasket,
>no one might have thought anything of it.  The act of burning them
>conjured up sacrilegious implications in the columns of the critics.
>Why were they burned?"

[...Some long winded irrelevant reasoning thrown in for no discernible
reason removed...]

No matter the reason, the burning of Humes's autopsy notes should have
made the autopsy report inadmissable in court.

Recently in Canada, a judge threw out a Police Officers testimony
because he was reading from 'recreated' notes , not the original notes
he took at the time.

In the JFK autopsy:

The 'original' notes *were* the record of the autopsy.

The 'recreated' notes *are* just a work of fiction.



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From: mark@cs.ucsd.edu (Mark Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Re: David Lifton's Book - anyone read it?
Date: 4 Sep 1992 21:52:26 GMT
Organization: W.A.S.T.E.
Distribution: na
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In article <1992Sep4.170650.4281@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> bill@turing.toronto.edu (Bill Monhemius) writes:
>I'm currently reading David Lifton's book BEST EVIDENCE.  Has anyone read this
>book and have any comments?
>
> ...
>
>I recommend the book.  It has a more personal style than most JFK books out
>there.  The author spent about 15 years of his life to his research.
>

I thought it was a great book, mostly because it was a story of Lifton
and his journey into the world of assination research.  After reading
the book, I went and looked up some reviews of the book when it was
first published.  Although reviews were unable to accept the conclusions
of the book, most found the quality of research to be noteworthy.

David Lifton was recently doing a book signing tour that stopped
by a local bookstore.  I stopped by and chatted with him for awhile.
I signed up for his mailing list and got a copy of "BE Newsletter".

He is working on book about Oswald, written in much the same style
as Best Evidence.

I've not bought any of the products below and can not comment on
their quality.  I did see the Best Evidence Video at a local 
Video Store, but have yet to rent it.

mark

-------- from the "BE Newsletter" put out by lifton.

It is distributed by B.E. Video
11500 W. Olympic Blvd.
Suite 400
Los Angles CA 90064
(310) 445 2300

Lifton is working on two manuscripts, the sequel
to best evidence and a book on oswald.

The Video company sells the following products
BEST EVIDENCE: THE RESEARCH VIDEO @$14.95 (35 mins)
autographed copies of Best Evidence @13.95
Copies of the Zapruder Film @$29.95 (13 mins)
KRON-TV PROGRAM TV documentary @$29.95 (50mins)
The appearences on HARDCOPY @$29.95 (35 mins)
TV's Current Affair episonde @$29.95 (56 mins)
HARDCOPY shows (3) on Oswald @29.95 (32mins)

Shipping and Handling $2.50 first item, $1.00
for each additional item.

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk
Subject: Message archives
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1992 01:08:00 -0500

I just need to know if anyone is keeping archival copies of
messages on this conference.  I was, but they were recently
destroyed.  If anyone has the last month's messages, please
send me a private reply.

Thanks,
- Mark

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