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From: jim@scf16.scf.loral.com (Jim Livesey)
Subject: New to this group.. Where are the FAQ(s)??
Organization: Loral Space and Range Systems, Sunnyvale, CA
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 21:07:40 GMT


     Hello out there in dog land...

     I've got two dogs, a shar-pei and a Doberman/German sheppard Mix
     and was wondering if there is a FAQ for general dog questions and
     perhaps for specific breed types (including mix breeds...)
     From reading, it looks as if there is...  But where?
     Please e-mail or post to rec.pets.dogs the answer..

     Thank You...


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete)
Subject: Pet Population Legislation
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:10:54 GMT

Charlie: I appreciate your posts about legislation limiting the
freedoms of hobby pet breeders.  I also thank you for reminding
us that the puppy mills who are or should be primary targets
might be missed in enforcement of HR 3718.   

I'm not affiliated with an AR group but I do volunteer at my
local animal shelter (also unaffiliated).  It's just a
heart-breaker, every day.  When we see daily, pure bred and
mixed puppies and dogs of every age dumped by their owners,
picked up by conscientious animal lovers, or just wandering
around.  Diseased, damaged physically and psychologically,
broken spiritually, some of these dogs can be rehabilitated and
adopted out; for many the fate is death.  And they don't deserve
to die.

You know the scene.  I'm sure.  It's that scene that prompts
people to want to limit breeding.  There's a board called     
talk.politics.animals where people get really angry about this
topic.  But this board is much more even tempered and tolerant,
I think.  Charlie:  what can we do/should we do to help the
animals we love if not impose licensing fees on unneutered dogs
or legislate against random, "fun breeding." If not that, what?
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From: mfriley@pacman.WPI.EDU (Margaret F Riley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dog sounds
Date: 2 Oct 1992 14:51:47 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: pacman.wpi.edu

In article <1992Oct2.012625.25701@news.eng.convex.com> oexmann@convex.com (Carla Oexmann) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.213105.16082@newshost.lanl.gov> srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct1.121227.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>>>And I hadn't realized Mals don't bark, they say "Woo-	
>>>woo."  Is this really true?  I'm going to have to listen more closely at the 	
>>>next show!
>>
>>Of course it is!  My Sibs make the same sound.  Where do you think I got the
>>name for my kennel???? :-)
>
>Most of the time our Samoyed barks, but he woo-woos too.  Is this maybe a
>characteristic of all Northern breeds ? 

I don't know.  The Siegmonster barks a lot (Mommy!  Cat farted outside!  Mommy!
Butterfly alert!  Mommy!   Dog next door is out for a walk!  Mommy!  Dog
3 blocks over is in heat!)   Then sometimes he moans and groans like he's 
talking to us.  We make fun of him sounding like a horn concerto (my SO 
and I are both musicians.)  Octave leaps, fifths, weird intervals.  Sounds
like Stockhausen on a good day.  What's REALLY funny is when he starts barking 
with his mouth full!  (mmmWARFgrnhh spit spit spit WOOF WOOF WOOF cough cough)

Margaret



Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: laj6t@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (Leigh Ann Johnson)
Subject: Re: Dog takes off and won't listen!
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:10:41 GMT

If you find any useful information please let me know. I have
the exact same problem with German Shep/Husky. She's the same
age too. We just brought her back to school a month ago, so she
also just changed environments.
From: pssres12@ucs.usl.edu (Vignes Gerard M)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: GIFs of Doberman Pinscher?
Date: 30 Sep 92 10:06:58 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette

Hi!
	Does anyone know the whereabouts of any GIF's
	of Doberman Pinscher's?
From: rhh@alice.att.com (r hardin)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:26:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: alice.23786
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ



>13 million pets arrived at shelters in US in 1991.  5 million
>eventually found homes.  The other 8 million were euthanized.  Supply
>is way ahead of demand.  It has been for some time.  And it can grow
>geometrically where demand grows arithmetically.

Thought question: if there were no shelters, what would the figures
be for euthanized dogs?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: z8tah@zohar.gsfc.nasa.gov (Theresa A. Held)
Subject: B & E
Reply-To: z8tah@calvin.gsfc.nasa.gov 
Organization: NASA/GSFC NCCS
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 12:29:31 GMT

I was the victim of a break in at my house last week.  I have two dogs
golden retriever/? and black lab/?.  They have access to a fenced in back
and side yard and the basement.  The guy broke in upstairs and took TV,
camera, lenses etc.  The gut did not go into the basement because of the
dogs.  SO he didn't get my stereo, vcr, cd player, etc.  But more important
than that is we got a discription of the car and man because Ginger and Capers
were seriously barking and growling and the neighbor looked out the window to
seee what was causing the commotion.

The biggest benifit to me has been I've been able to sleep at night because
I know the dogs are there and if the guy comes back I'll know before he
gets into the house.  

I'm not taking sides in any guard dog vs companion discussion.  I just wanted 
to share the real expirience of how my 'MUTTS' have helped me.  I don't 
know that they'd stop anyone from hurting me.  I do know they are protective
of me and their territory.  I don't want to be in the situation to find
out what else they would do.  I am happy to know they will warn me of
anyone trespassing.   

Everyone has to decide what the reason or need for the dog in their life.
I know if my dogs never do anything else for me they have done enough.
Not really true .... the house would seem dismally empty if they weren't 
their when I come home.
From: mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com (Sky Warrior)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: I THINK I KNOW WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR DOG was: Dog is totally stiff
Keywords: arthritis, stiff from diarhea
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:57:55 GMT

In article <BvB2pE.8rn@acsu.buffalo.edu>, berlind@acsu.buffalo.edu (heike berlind) writes:
|> I was wondering what a dog's regular temperature is?  I think I heard it is
|> between 100.5 - 101 F.  Is that right?  I took his temperature yesterday  
|> and it was 103.7 F. The vet told us that it is not that high and we should
|> keep on watching him.  Wotan is not that stiff anymore.  He only has
|> problems sitting down, but he runs around again. His diarrhea is gone but
|> his stools are still dark brown and he is still sleeping a lot -- he is
|> definitely not as energetic as he used to be before all this started.
|> We are right now in the process of finding a different vet, too.
|> Heike

It suddenly hit me last night.  (No, it didn't hurt ;-)  Get your dog checked
for Lyme disease.  The high fever combined with the arthritis seems to indicate
that.  Also get him checked for Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever (that is also
prevalent back East).  You need not find any ticks to have your dog bitten by
them.

Good luck!

Sky Warrior


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: pdsmith.mitre.org (Pat Smith)
Subject: Re: Cooling an overenthusiatic reception
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:53:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.013651.16357@news.eng.convex.com>, oexmann@convex.com (Carla Oexmann) writes:
> 
> I'm hoping for some help here : basically, the situation is as follows :
> We have a Samoyed ( alomost a year old ).  When I come home from work 
> in the evenings, I get this hyperenthusiatic reception that leaves long
> scratches on my legs & shredded hose.  I checked through my little 
> library of dog books : I'm supposed to knee him in the chest, they say.
> It doesn't work : I've gotten him good a couple of times, sending him 
> flailing across the floor, and he comes back for more.  I suspect that 
> he think's it's all a really weird new game.   I tell him to sit, and 
> he goes down on his back legs, his front legs furiously flailing
> away, scootching across the floor on his rump until he can get to me.
> Any other ideas ? 
> 
> While I'm here : we free feed him, and in Texas 9 months out of the year,
> that's a standing invitation for fire ants to come help themselves to 
> dog chow.  I get around this by keeping the food bowl in a pie plate 
> with about 1/2 " water in it, to which I've added some dish detergent.
> The ants crawl in and die. 
> 
> Ritual disclaimer : My opinion and mine alone !  Convex, as best I can tell,
> doesn't have opinions, being a corporate entity...
> Carla Oexmann        {allegra, sun, harvard, uiucdcs, ctvax}!convex!oexmann
> Convex Computer Corp.  3000 Waterview Parkway P.O. Box 833851 Richardson, TX
> 
>
 You need a dose of dog training.  Do not allow any such behavior.  Kneeing
in the chest while screaming NO and then immediately putting the dog out or
some other means of punishment (for several hours) is warranted.  IF kneeing
doesn't work, try stepping onthe hing paw toes while yelling NO.  You need
to get the dogs attention and let him/her know this is unacceptable.  Be
consistent and you will see a change.  When you are greeted appropriately, 
praise the animal.  IF the jumping starts, repeat the above procedures.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: seg@cbncp7.ATT.COM (Scott Gordon)
Subject: Re: Signs you've gone to a bad veterinarian
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:37:02 GMT
	<1992Oct1.220153.18140@mksol.dseg.ti.com>

I just moved into an apartment and heard this one from the neighbor.  She
picked up a stray cat and took it to the vet to have checked out.  She was
told it was a perfectly healthy, castrated cat.  Two weeks later the cat 
showed up on the doorstep pregnant.  (She even kept one of the kittens to
prove it.)
--
Scott Gordon
AT&T Bell Labs
seg@cblpn.cb.att.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: lsheehan@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Thunder the wonder dog
Organization: Hampshire College
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:44:06 GMT

	Thanks to all who responded to my post the other day.  Thunder (my
collie/retr. mix) has gotten the idea through his head that I WILL come back
even though I can't be with him all the time.  He's whined once or twice the
past couple times I've left him, but no more barking.  (Thankfully.  =)  )
	Also, just to brag a bit; he comes when he's called, fetches (but
hasn't gotten "retrieve" down just yet) heels well, shakes paws, knows "no",
and just sat on command for the first time today.  All this in only 3 days! 
He got jumped by another dog last night- no harm done, but he was pretty shaken 
for a while.  Luckily the owner was behind the dog (he wasn't leashed) and
managed to pull his dog away.  The good news is that Thunder just sat there
while this other dog tried to bite him, looking at me as if to say "uh, what do
I do about this?"  I was pleased that he proved to be non-aggressive.
Granted, he probably had some prior training, but I'm still really proud of
him.  Now a question.. how long should I keep him on a choke chain for?  People
I've talked to have said anywhere from 1 month to when training's done to keep
it on permanently.  He's really well behaved and I haven't the heart to keep
him on too long...  
	Thanks for any replies.  =)

					lisa
					lsheehan@hamp.hampshire.edu
From: williamsk@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (It always scares me when something looks easy to do.)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: pet peeves OR "what breed is that?"
Date: 6 Oct 92 15:09:17 EST

In article <1992Oct6.150707.14620@iti.org>, jag@iti.org (Jacqueline A. Giles) writes:
> With the many breeds in existance, it is hard to recognize all of
> them.  I go to shows alot and still don't know the various terriers
> and get some of the sporting dogs mixed up.  I think we all need to
> be patient with people that get our breeds wrong and be flattered
> that they notice our puppies at all!
> 
> 

Of course you're right.  It's just strange when they do that with what most
people on the net would consider a common breed.  You're absolutely right
though.  And think of it this way - I'll bet a lot of us don't know the 
different type of cat breeds there are!  In fact,  I didn't know there was
such a thing a a purebred cat until I got into college! 

Kim
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: bradley@mdd.comm.mot.com (Michael Bradley)
Subject: Re: Cooling an overenthusiatic reception
Organization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:03:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.215345.6538@linus.mitre.org> pdsmith.mitre.org (Pat Smith) writes:
>In article <1992Oct1.013651.16357@news.eng.convex.com>, oexmann@convex.com (Carla Oexmann) writes:
>> 
Stuff deleted on jumping problem.
>>
> You need a dose of dog training.  Do not allow any such behavior.  Kneeing
>in the chest while screaming NO and then immediately putting the dog out or
>some other means of punishment (for several hours) is warranted.  IF kneeing

I have been told by reputable dog trainers that kneeing can bruse the dogs
heart. Dont know if it is true but why take a chance. I believe the stepping
on the hind toes or pinching the front paws is a much safer alternative.
Seem to be working on my Kuvasz

  Michael Bradley

>doesn't work, try stepping onthe hing paw toes while yelling NO.  You need
>to get the dogs attention and let him/her know this is unacceptable.  Be
>consistent and you will see a change.  When you are greeted appropriately, 
>praise the animal.  IF the jumping starts, repeat the above procedures.


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: A grateful thankyou to all (was Someone please help me..)
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A6EF309AA80C2631@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
X-Xxdate: Wed, 30 Sep 92 15:23:22 GMT
Organization: The World Bank
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d8
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 14:30:07 GMT


First off, I'd like to sincerely thank everyone for all of the email
I have received concerning my buddy Major.  Because of the high volume
of e-mail I received on this subject, I was unable to answer all of them
personnally.   The following is a post of some of the recommendations
I've received (all of which I have taken VERY seriously and have discussed
with my vet). 

1. Arthritis - called the vet, and the last exam by a her and a specialist
concluded that arthritis testing was negative.

2. Damaged spine - same here.  Vet said no indication of a pinched nerve
or damaged spine.

3.  Parasitic infestation - all blood/urine/stool tests were negative.
(although the vet did notice a slightly elevated white blood cell count,
antibotics were dispensed and two weeks later another blood test was
taken and the cell count was normal).

4.  Acupuncture - not an exact science on humans much less veterinary
medicine.  Not recommended..probably end up being a money pit.
(this obviously was not discussed with my vet since she was the one
who originally pushed for this treatment).

5. Vitamin-C treatment - Since this is a relatively cheap procedure and
has no adverse side effects, I have immediately started administering
vitamin-C treatments (3000mg of Rose Hips) to Major each day. I'll
let everyone know if it has any impact.

Again, I thank everyone who responded.  Maybe there IS a glimmer of
hope for Major.  I hope so.  If I have missed any recommended treatments
please forgive me, I tried to write down all the recommendations, and
unfortunately I think the cleaning lady accidently tossed it out with
the trash!...

Regards,                  

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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From: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Dog & Protection
Date: 2 Oct 92 07:26:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: kathleen.brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us (Kathleen Brewer) 

TO: CBARNES@tamvm1.tamu.edu

CB>>>Does this include the 9 year old that broke into my house, and stole
CB>>>$4,000 worth of my property?  I think not!
I agree with you!!

CB>Yes, the 9 yo is worth more than my stereo, but not more than my
CB>sense of security in my own home.  It's like this:  if someone
CB>(an adult) broke into my home, I would shoot them (and I follow
CB>the old rule that goes "don't point unless you mean to shoot, and
CB>don't shoot unless you mean to kill").  Would I shoot a 9 yo?
CB>I don't know.  If it was a 9 yo that I beleived to present a
CB>danger, then you bet.  If not, then I probably wouldn't.
CB>But all that is somewhat irrelavant, rarely is the dog going
CB>to kill the kid.  And, IMHO, if some kid does get hurt (even
CB>seriously) for being in my yard, then he (the kid) deserved it.

I have been raising dogs for a number of years, I have never had my dogs
bite anyone, protect my home Yes. If you have socialized your dogs,
taken them to the park, walks in the neighborhood where they see people,
are petted by people including little people on a regular basis your dog
will probably not bite someone who accidently comes into your yard.
Several years ago my Shepard got loose, she was running down the street
playing with the kids. My neighbor knowing that my dogs don't run loose
decided to come down and tell me she was out. When he stepped into my
yard the dog charged him, growling and barking. He jumped into the back
of my husbands pick-up. The dog did not jump in the truck, she just
stood thier barking at him. We heard the rukus and went outside, the
neighbor was shaken but unharmed. He made some comment about my vicious
dog, I had to explain to him that 1)he was not bitten 2) this dog was
capable of jumping in and out of the back of this truck 3) If she had
wanted to bite him she would have done so.
This dog was protective of us..She was not trained to do so..It comes
naturally.
I have had kids come into my yard to get a ball, frisbee whatever
without any problems. But I also know that if an honest to god intruder
came into my yard or home my dog would make mincemeat of him. A properly
raised and socialized dog knows the difference between a child who comes
into the yard and someone who wants to harm us.

NO CHILD DESERVES WHAT HE GETS!! If a toddler wanders into your yard and
the dog attacks the child, you will be held accountable for your dogs
actions and in all probabilty the dog will be put down as vicious. You
need to re-think your priorities, no child deserves to be bitten because
of an error in judgement.
Kathleen.Brewer@cutting.hou.tx.us
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Pet Population Legislation
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 5 Oct 92 19:07:00 GMT

r hardin writes:
> another concept, that having a ``humane'' society sanctions
> the disposable dog, it's institutionalized.  That it affects our
> relations to our dogs...donations...politics

Gosh, I don't want to interrupt your conspiracy theorizing or
anything, and I'm sure we're all interested in your ideas about
society, but my question was actually less cosmic than all that.

What happened to unwanted dogs before there were shelters?

-- Jon
--
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: terrih@mcnc.org (Terri W. Hardwick)
Subject: Re: Please tell me my dog is not stupid
Organization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:33:43 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.123753.1027@linus.mitre.org> bds@mbunix.mitre.org (Smith) writes:
>>
>>In article <1a9q57INN970@rodan.UU.NET>, lorelei@rodan.UU.NET (Lorelei Horner) writes:
>>>|I have a siberian husky.  My roommates are convinced she is retarded
>>>|because she does not always come when told or sit when told.  I think
>>>|she is just very independent.  So who is right?
>
>I'm curious about this.  It seems that many (most?) dogs, not just
>Huskies, act like this, including mine.  I wonder if any dog trainers
>would comment on whether these are examples of poorly or partially
>trained dogs (do your dogs act like this?), or if all dogs choose not
>to behave perfectly from time to time because this is their nature.
>
>Barry Smith
>
>
>

All dogs at some point in their training will test the trainer to find out
if they REALLY have to follow the command (unless it's a truly unusual dog!).
However, I believe that most trainers jump to this conclusion prematurely
in interpreting their dog's actions.

A very experienced trainer once explained this idea at a clinic, and I have
been experimenting with it in my own dogs and the obedience classes I teach
for about 2 years.  So far this idea seems to be valid.

The idea is that a dog cannot generalize about situations like a human can.
A recall inside a building is not the same exercise as a recall in the
backyard which is not the same exercise as a recall at a park.  You basically
have to re-teach the exercise in a number of environments before the dog
starts generalizing the exercise as applying to *any* environment.
I have had excellent success with this philosophy in training dogs not to
jump up on people and in coming when called.  This is for dogs that have
had no previous obedience training and we are developing very reliable
recalls with these dogs.

Terri Hardwick 					(terrih@mcnc.org)
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