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From: megm@sco.COM (Meg McRoberts)
Subject: Re: Ticks, mites & fleas
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:10:41 GMT


In article <1992Aug14.111358.21551@ncsu.edu> mwaldvog@ent1.ent.ncsu.edu (Michael Waldvogel) writes:
==> 
==> In Message-ID: <Bsx7wM.4yy@news.udel.edu>, angela@brahms.udel.edu 
==> (Angela Lakwete) wrote:
==> 
==> >We don't need a biologist to identify mites from fleas, or ticks
==> >for that matter.  Ordinary literate folk can do just fine.  Get
==> >an insect id book and a magnifying glass.  Mites have eight legs.
==> >Ticks and fleas have six.  Pin 'em down with a straight pin and
==>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
==> 
==> Only tick larvae have six legs, the remaining immature forms (called
==> nymphs) and the adults have 8 legs.
==> 
i think some mites are too small to really be visable
to the human eye, though.  a couple months ago, Rasta
Rabbit was really itching a lot.  the vet couldn't see
any obvious cause by looking at her, so took a little
skin scraping to look under the microscope and still
didn't see anything (either parasites or fungi), so she
said "it's probably mites" and gave her a shot of ivermeticin.
another shot 10-14 days later and she's fine.  the itching
stopped within 24 hours of the first shot, but the vet says
you need a follow-up shot to get rid of remaining eggs/larvae.
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Snake or Iguana care: info needed
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 11:19:29 GMT

I am considering buying a snake or iguana.  I would probably get a rather large
one of either (or a baby that will eventually be large as the case may be).
However, I know very little about the care of such animals.  What is involved?
How difficult is it, and what are the drawbacks of these animals.

Also, I am use to haveing various pets wander around the house (I don't have
and pets now, however).  I assume that this would not be possible with either
of these...

Also, how much do these animals cost, and how expensive is their care?

Thanks.

keith

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Hegin's Pigeon Shoot
Keywords: Fund for Animals
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 01:31:46 GMT

In <BtEvwx.MxK@news.udel.edu> angela@brahms.udel.edu (Angela Lakwete) writes:

>The Fund for Animals is sponsoring a demonstration against the
>barbaric annual "pigeon shoot" at Hegins, PA, on Monday, Labor
>Day, September 7, 1992.  

>The demonstration usually brings lots of media and appeared to
>be a major act in the ongoing animal rights movement.  So I'm
>surprised that no one has discussed it on the net.

	Notices of this type are most often posted to talk.politics.animals,
and there has been some pretty good discussion of these practices.  If
anybody decides to wander on over, I suggest reading for a week or two
before taking the plunge.  There is a very distinct manner and style
there, which it is worth noting.

>Will anyone from netland be there?

	If I could I'd be there -- it sounds like a blast.  As it is,
there are more than enough pidgeons here to keep me busy.  BTW: yes,
that means I've be there with the 12ga and on the firing line, not
carrying a sign and protesting.  To each his own.

<Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 |"There'll be angels on Ariels in leather>
<z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu | and chrome, Ridin' down from heaven    >
<viking@iastate.edu      | just to carry me home." -- R. Thompson >
< ISU thinks I need more education, which they provide for a fee. >

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From: 9125113g@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Mitch Davis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,alt.best.of.internet
Subject: Re: Jonny Cat Litter / Ferrets
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:56:55 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University

In article <1992Aug20.210948.25894@reed.edu> bob@reed.edu (Robert Ankeney) writes:
>
>     And my favorite warning appears on a box of those cloth roller towels
>in restrooms.  It says something like:
>
>     Warning!  Improper use may cause serious injury or death!

Back in the good old days when TRS-80s were king, one of the TRS-80 line
printers had a wonderfully ambiguous warning sticker:

     " Keep hair, fingers, and personal objects out of this printer."

We always wondered what was meant by "personal objects", and what sort
of person you'd have to be to put a "personal object" into one.

Mitch.
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From: mikem@travis.csd.harris.com (Mike McCole)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,alt.best.of.internet
Subject: Re: stupid warning notes
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:23:26 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets
Organization: Harris Computers Systems Division, Fort Lauderdale,FL

In article <1992Aug20.062036.26628@mr.med.ge.com> hinz@picard.med.ge.com (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
-Another stupid warning note I saw....
-
-On the package for Top Cog <tm> fan belts (automotive use), the first step of
-the instructions tells you not to change the belt while the engine is running.
-
-I shit you not.
 
 While on vacation in San Diego in July, I met someone who had attempted
to do exactly that.  He was missing a couple of finger tops.  At the time of
the incident he was a naval officer, I don't know if he was in intelligence. 

Conundrum non fecal.

  Mike

__
  mikem@travis.csd.harris.com  Mike McCole  305-973-5466
  2101 W. Cypress Creek Road  Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 MS 143
  All opinions expressed are mine, not Harris Corporations.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Iguana:suggestions
From: Martin@jsblan.byu.edu (Martin Murillo)
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:17:06 -0700
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo,UT.


Hi, we have an iguana that was lost for four days and it 
did not eat during those days; is there something I could
do (besides feeding) to help my iguana?.  He changed skins
and seems weak.

Thanks in advance.

Martin Murillo
Martin_Murillo@byu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: Arrested person slithered away
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp
Summary: Say what?
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 16:26:12 GMT

In article <278@angel.UUCP> larry@angel.UUCP (Larry "Bear" Tenbush) writes:
>
>
>Here is something my wife found in the local newspaper.
>
>Hope ya'll like it.
>Larry
>
>
[Stuff deleted...]
>from San Antonio Light Metro section - Sunday, August 2, 1992
>reprinted without permission
>
[stuff deleted...]
>The box was taken to the Downtown Foot Patrol office, where officer
>Steve Stanford took charge, opening the box to reveal a 4-pound boa
>python.

I'm sure we'd all like to know what a boa python is.

>"We could see it didn't have a viper head, so we took out of the 
>box," he said.
>

My friends, is this sound herpetological policy? :-)
[stuff deleted...]
>
>"We've got canine patrol," Price said.  "Now we'll have snake patrol."
>
>"Being that she's a juvenile, we decided to release her on her own
>welfare into the custody of the San Antonio Zoo," Marek said.
>
>The snake declined to comment on the city's proposed new animal
>ordinance, which prohibits poisonous snakes but allows "constricting"
>snakes such as the boa, as long as they are less than 6 1/2-feet long.
>

Them Texxins shar do talk funny, tell you what...

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From: jde@nic.cerf.net (Jeff Ellis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Food for corn snakes...
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:12:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.2551
Organization: CERFnet

I have a young corn snake who eats 2 pinkey mice a week. If I feed him
twice he only eats one if once a week he eats two. My question is
when do I feed him something larger? He is about 18" long right now.
He has shed 3 times since I got him if that is any factor.
Also when he does go to something larger what should that be? Fuzzies?

Thanks!
-- 
Jeff Ellis
jde@cerf.net
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: krogers@javelin.sim.es.com (K. Rogers)
Subject: Re: Donating an Animal?
Reply-To: krogers@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 17:01:07 GMT

cep@taligent.com (Christophe Pettus) writes:

>He's not really sellable, due to his (ahem) sweet and loving
>temperament, so I'm wondering if it is possible to donate such an
>animal to a zoo (since I'm definitely not going to just abandon him)?
>Does anyone have any experience or contacts in this regard?  Thanks
>very much in advance.
>-- Christophe

Don't give up on selling it yet.  Not all herp keepers want something
they can "play" with.  I'm one of the types that handles herps only
when absolutely necessary.  Granted, we're in the minority, but we do
exist and if your python is in good shape you should have little
difficulty in selling it if you price it nicely.  You'll get more that
way than just donating it to the zoo - *if* they'll even take it -
most zoos are inundated in iguanas (with severe mineral deficiencies)
and boas and refuse any more.

You could call some of the herp brokers if a local store or ad in the
newspaper won't move it.  Keep in mind you're not going to make a
profit on this.  You're cutting your loses so you can get a baby one
you can train from the start so you can handle it.

Actually, truth be known, I never ever trust herps big enough to hurt
me (r. pythons are definitely in this class) - I don't care how "tame"
they are.  But that's your choice.
-- 
Keith Rogers
krogers@javelin.sim.es.com
From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: iguanas: can they wander freely in your home?
Date: 21 Aug 92 05:07:08 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

In article <1992Aug18.183239.28466@cco.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu
(Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
>I was considering buying one of those larger iguanas.  Do you have to keep
>these things in a tank all the time, or can you let them wander around your
>house (like you would a cat)?
>
>Thanks
>keith
I was trying to see where you lived.  Iguanas are happiest when they are warm.
They will appear to be sick if they don't have a controlled warm environment.
Mine are left out (but seldom roam) but are put back in there nice cozy warm
cage at night.  Mine is not huge though!  He's about 3 feet plus a little.  I'm
not sure about the BIG ones.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: : Have new turtle, need info
From: KAREN@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:28:15 GMT
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS

A blacklight white is the same as a blacklight blue. The difference between
a regular blacklight and a blacklight blue is price. The BB is alot cheaper at
least here in St. Louis. The store that I buy my bulbs from charges $11.00
for the BB and $34 for a regular BL. I assume the St. Louis Zoo chooses the
BB because of the lower price. Both bulbs give the same amount of UV rays.
The BL gives off a psychedeliclight that is not vitalfor your turtle.
What kind of housing do you have for your turtle?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: rjohnson@shell.com (Roy Johnson)
Subject: Re: Arrested person slithered away
Followup-To: rec.pets.herp
Organization: Houston, TX
Date: 19 Aug 92 10:30:34

kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:
 >larry@angel.UUCP (Larry "Bear" Tenbush) writes:
 >[stuff deleted...]
 >>The box was taken to the Downtown Foot Patrol office, where officer
 >>Steve Stanford took charge, opening the box to reveal a 4-pound boa
 >>python.

 >I'm sure we'd all like to know what a boa python is.

I think they mean Ball Python, considering the size and similarity
of the Texan pronunciation of "Ball".

 >>The snake declined to comment on the city's proposed new animal
 >>ordinance, which prohibits poisonous snakes but allows "constricting"
 >>snakes such as the boa, as long as they are less than 6 1/2-feet long.
 >>

 >Them Texxins shar do talk funny, tell you what...

Thanks.

--
Roy Johnson, transplanted to Texas from Kansas
Shell Development Company (but speaking -- without an accent -- for myself)
"There's a big difference between being a lesbian and being a male!"
			-- tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu (Griffy)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: busc@quads.uchicago.edu (john richard buscher)
Subject: green tree snake query
Reply-To: busc@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 17:10:27 GMT

I'm presently looking into purchasing a green tree snake which I once read somewhere was a good snake for the inexperienced to purchase... any comments, suggestions would be greatly appreciated


J.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: tmason@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Tim Mason)
Subject: Re: green tree snake query
Summary: Rough Green Snakes good for beginners
Organization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 17:55:35 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.155133.26618@news.iastate.edu> pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander) writes:
>In article <1992Aug16.171027.4318@midway.uchicago.edu> 
>busc@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>I'm presently looking into purchasing a green tree snake which I once read 
>>somewhere was a good snake for the inexperienced to purchase... any 
>>comments, suggestions would be greatly appreciated
>
>Off the top of my head, I can think of only the emerald tree boa, green tree
>python, a vine snake or two from Asia, and the North American green snakes
>(_Opheodrys_) that might fit that name.  IMHO, none is a good beginner snake.
...
>...  I've never tried to keep a rough green
>snake so can't comment about them.

I believe (think) busc@midway was referring to the rough green snake.  I've
had them in the past and believe them to be a good beginner snake (if you
get one thats already feeding).  I had two that were caught from the wild.
They never tried to bite.  They acted a bit nervous when first picked up,
but calmed nicely after a few minutes.  Both of mine were so well-adjusted
that I used them as hands-on demo snakes on several herp displays.

They eat insects, spiders, catapillers, etc.  I fed mine mostly bait-store
crickets.  It may be necessary to dust the crickets with a reptile mineral and
vitamin mix, as crickets are low on calcium.

Rough green snakes need an arboreal setup.  They love to climb.  I put fake
plants in an aquarium with a secure pegboard lid.  The snakes were healthy,
and the whole setup made an impressive display.  Unfortunately, I had to sell
off some of my snakes when I made the trip from Dayton, OH to good ol' SC.
I got rid of the green snakes so I wouldn't have to mess with crickets during
the move.

-- 
---------------------------
Tim Mason
Tim.Mason@ccscola.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM
From: bzandrew@bbs1984.chi.il.us (Bill Zandrew)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Chameleon question
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:40:06 GMT
Organization: Not an Organization

Aren't most old world chameleons endangered or worse by now?
From: nivek@terapin.com (Kevin Bierl)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: Info on uramastyx
Date: 21 Aug 92 14:51:34 GMT
Organization: BBS

I have an Egyptian Uromastix. His name is Ptolomy. Here is the info I have on
them from my store.
 
Temps: Give them a range of temps during the day from about 80 to 110 in the   
      tank. This will allow him to go to where they would fell comfortabe.

Light: They need a light that will give them full UV. Like a vitalight. At     
       least 12 hours a day. 14 perfered.

Food: Fresh veggies, Dry food can actually expand in their tummy. Veggie high  
    in calcium - low in Phosporus. Give them an assortment. Ours loves         
   Mustard Greens. Occaional fruit is good to. Also some crickets coated      
with Vitamin D powder, or king mealworm coated with powder.

Water: You don't need water in a bowl for them, but it is a good idea to spray 
      them occasionally, with something like a plant sprayer. This should be   
    done about every other day or so. This will help keep them clean, and      
 if he wants he can have a drink. Sometimes they need to be sprayed for       
a couple of minutes before they get the idea. Also an occasional        soaking
in a small tube of warm water will help keep him clean and also        help in
his shedding.

I hope this helps, if you need any more info let me know. If I don't know I can
find out for you.

                                  Nivek@terapin.com

P.S. Our likes to have his tummy rubbed.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: pholland@iastate.edu (Paul J Hollander)
Subject: Re: green tree snake query
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:51:33 GMT

In article <1992Aug16.171027.4318@midway.uchicago.edu> 
busc@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I'm presently looking into purchasing a green tree snake which I once read 
>somewhere was a good snake for the inexperienced to purchase... any 
>comments, suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Off the top of my head, I can think of only the emerald tree boa, green tree
python, a vine snake or two from Asia, and the North American green snakes
(_Opheodrys_) that might fit that name.  IMHO, none is a good beginner snake.
The boa and python cost too much and rather unfriendly.  The vine snakes eat
lizards.  The green snakes are rather nervous and the smooth green snake 
I had would only eat field crickets.  I've never tried to keep a rough green
snake so can't comment about them.

IMHO, one of your local garter snakes would be a good beginner snake.  Also
a corn, young black rat, young pine snake, or king snake would be good.  The
Chicago Herpetological Society is excellent (I'm a corresponding member);
you might attend a meeting.  Often members have animals for sale.

I attended a swap meet on the northwest side of Chicago two weeks ago.  There
is one every month or so there.  It was great fun, lots of animals, lots of
equipment, *lots* of people.  I purchased one of Mark Bell's baby albino
California kings.  This last week it shed and then ate a 7-10 day old fuzzy 
mouse.  Looks like it will turn out well.  Two or three summers ago I got 
another of Mark Bell's baby Cal kings, which I still have.

Paul Hollander    pholland@iastate.edu
Behold the tortoise: he makes no progress unless he sticks his neck out.


Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Arrested person slithered away
Organization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 22:29:47 GMT

In article <70sg02TN1eKO01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> deb90@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
(David E Ben-Jamin) writes:
>>The box was taken to the Downtown Foot Patrol office, where officer
>>Steve Stanford took charge, opening the box to reveal a 4-pound boa
>>python.                                                         ^^^
>>^^^^^^
>
>Hmmmm....  Sounds like something I'd like to add to my collection.  
>If anybody has any corn-kings, or perhaps an iguana-monitor, I'd be
>interested.  

You laugh, eh?  Well, it turns out that corn and king snakes CAN be
bred together.  Take a look at the Corn Snake Color Guide if you don't
believe me...

>I don't need a .sig.

Just what we need in a herp group:  a Sig/Glock flame fight!

   don
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: debra@solbourne.com (Debra Frances)
Subject: Birth announcement
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 18:02:06 GMT

My Fisher's boa just had 19 babies!  Hip, Hip, hooray!
                              DEBRA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
From: guppy@wixer.cactus.org (Jennifer Mery)
Subject: Re: UV light subsistitutes (help)
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 07:21:02 GMT

In article <16849CE41.S863508@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU> KAREN@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU writes:
>I have a large iguana that needed proper lighting so I contacted the
>St. Louis Zoo. I was told to use a blacklight white. I was able to
>purchase the light and fixture at a lighting store for about $25.00.
>Vitalites are not as good as a blacklight white.

What's a blacklight white? I have a black light. Right now my turtle
only has sunlight through the window.

jam
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From: mojo@reed.edu (O.D.'d on Life Itself)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: "corn-kings" (was Re: Arrested person slithered away)
Date: 18 Aug 92 19:28:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Those Meddling Kids!

In article <70sg02TN1eKO01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> deb90@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin) writes:
>If anybody has any corn-kings, or perhaps an iguana-monitor, I'd be

Hey, they *do* have corn-kings...I forget the author's name, but the Herp
Library book on corn snake colour-morphs contains a picture of a _fertile_
cross between a corn and a CA king.  Pretty neat-looking.

	NT
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From: sharonl@sco.COM (B. Baggins, at your service.)
Subject: Have new turtle, need info
Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc.
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:14:45 GMT


Our red-eared slider ran away from home.  We waited a while before
declaring her gone, and now have recently acquired a new turtle, either a
Mississppi Map Turtle or Alabama Map Turtle (we're still debating which
it is).

This one seems to be a lot more friendly (maybe just less paranoid)
than the red-eared.  He/she we think is still pretty young, about 5" or
5.5" long.

Right now we can only seem to get it to eat crickets.  The red-eared
ate crickets, goldfish, snails, floating turtle food (no veggies).  I don't
want to just feed it crickets, I don't think that's very nutritionally
complete.  Do you think that I should try veggies?  Any suggestions?

It's head seems really small compared to the rest of its body, maybe it
just can fit anything else in?

-- 
This is just another example of how the healthy gum tissue of our
liberty is being eaten away by the periodontal disease of government
regulation.  --Dave Barry
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.herp
Subject: Re: UV light subsistitutes (help)
From: KAREN@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:39:35 GMT
Organization: UM ST. LOUIS

I have a large iguana that needed proper lighting so I contacted the
St. Louis Zoo. I was told to use a blacklight white. I was able to
purchase the light and fixture at a lighting store for about $25.00.
Vitalites are not as good as a blacklight white.