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From: mb@zzzzzz.cray.com (Maynard Brandt)
Subject: Re: You thought Zim cursed the Rockies.....
Reply-To: mb@zzzzzz.cray.com (Maynard Brandt)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.  Eagan, MN.
Distribution: rec.sport.baseball
Date: 5 Nov 92 09:00:14 CST

In article <jacor.720932413@camelot>, jacor@camelot.bradley.edu (James Corbett) writes:
>
>You guys thought having Zimmer as a coach has cursed the Rockies, just wait...
>
>In the Nov. 4 sports section of the Chicago Trib has an article about all
>the ex-Cub personel they have hired. Here is a list:
>
>Don Zimmer as dugout coach

Dugout coach???  What does a dugout coach do?  Tell the bench not to move
during the game (might be necessary in CA)?  Keep the batrack from throwing
bats onto the field during the game (Milwaukee comes to mind here)?  Assign
seats to the various players?  :) :) :)

>Dick Balderson (former V.P. of scouting and player development) to run the
>	minor-league operations
>Peter Durso (traveling secretary) as, I assume, traveling secretary
>Dave Cilladi (assistant trainer) as head trainer
>
>and the Rockies have set up a deal to pool players for a team in the 
>Arizona Rookie League.
>
>As Joey Reaves says in the beginning of his article:         
>
>	Maybe it's the thin air in Denver.  Or maybe the baseball
>	standings haven't been published in the Mountain time zone
>	for a couple of generations.
>
>	But, for some reason, the folks putting together the expansion
>	Colorado Rockies appear to want to be the Cubs of the West.
>
>       _________  ___      ______   ______  ______
>           /     /   |    /        /     / /     /   |  
>          /     /____|   /        /     / /_____/    | jacor@camelot.bradley.edu
>         /     /     |  /        /     / /      \    |                    
>  \_____/     /      | /______  /_____/ /        \   |
>

-- 
Regards,

Maynard Brandt
Cray Research, Inc.
mb@lotus.cray.com
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From: gotribe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.g.barry)
Subject: Re: Transaction List
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 18:19:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.154232.1404@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, msn@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (matthew.s.nelson) writes:
> Update: 11/10/92
> 
> Calendar:
> Nov 9:   Expansion draft protected rosters due


When are these lists going to be made public??

Rich Barry
barry@ihlpe.att.com
From: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (Dave Bonar)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: What Happened To...
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:38:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Nov13.154708.28117
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	While looking over the protected lists I'vnoticed a lot of names
missing from the lists of 'prospects' that were being talked about this 
spring.  Some of them never were real prospects but others really seemed to
have a shot.  Yet they aren't protected.  Since I didn't seem to save final
minor league stats (I thought I had but when I checked I had nothing.  I
need a new filing system :>) I'm interested in any comments that people have
on the probable future careers of the following players.

Wedge (bos)
Brogna (det)
Muelens (nyy)
Newman (min)
Fajardo (tex)
Maurer (tex)
Samford (cin)
Garcia (cin)
Juden (hou)
Young (lad)
Stairs (mon)
Staton (sdp)
Santana (sfg)

	Some of them did fairly poorly in AAA or their tryouts in the majors.
However, all of them would seem to by young enough to be interesting to the
expansion teams.

Dave
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From: nissim@mary.fordham.edu (Leonard J. Nissim)
Subject: jints to stay
Keywords:  Giants
Organization: Fordham University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:17:00 GMT
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The hated jints will remain in SF after all.  
This means that they will play in the *worst* facility in Major League 
Baseball, Candlestick Park, for 1993; indeed, they will play there for
years to come.  How fitting; they deserve the worst. 
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Disclaimer:  "I speak only for myself."   
World Championships:  Brooklyn-----1955   
                      Los Angeles--1959  1963  1965  1981  1988
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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: Yankees pitching staff
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:24:20 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.002457.5007@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
|> In article <BxD3Cv.M7y@unix.amherst.edu> ddsokol@unix.amherst.edu (D. DANIEL SOKOL) writes:
|> >Can somebody tell me who what the rumors are for the Yankee pitching staff of
|> >next year.  I just read in the NY Times that the Yanks traded yet another
|> >pitcher away.
|> 
|> ???  I haven't heard about this.  Who?  What was the deal?
|> 
|> >Aside from Melido Perez who is amazing and should have won at 
|> >leat 18 games, and Steve Farr, are there any good pitchers still left on
|> >the team?
|> 
|> Perez is a decent staff ace and a good #2 starter.  Militello is
|> almost as good, IMHO, as Perez.  Wickman is a cut lower, but is a
|> quality #3 starter.  Kamieniecki isn't a total embarrassment.  Not to
|> mention Hitchcock and Taylor, two prospects who are possibly better
|> than *all* of the above.

  What abot Camillio (SP?) Perez?? Didn't he get thrown out for just one season?
He should be back this year and should still be on the Yanks, shouldn't he?

-Ron

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From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Greatest moments in baseball history
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 07:53:24 GMT

Well, it was not a "moment," but what about the night that Rickey Henderson
broke the career stolen base record and Nolan Ryan threw his 7th no-hitter?

===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
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From: dadler@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (David Adler)
Subject: published draft protection list (?)
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 03:40:41 GMT

Today's (Thursday) Albuquerque Tribune has a section in the sports
section entitled "expansion draft protection list". After some
initial surprise, I read through an accompanying article that I
thought was just predicting who was protected. However, they
claim that Jerome Holtzman got hold of the lists and they were
published in the Chicago Tribune.

   Chicago readers - was the "true" list actually published in the
Tribune? If so, how did they get hold of it? I'm curious if this list
has any validity....

Thanks,
Dave



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From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)
Subject: Re: John Valentin
Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:09:24 GMT

In article <BxCvML.2E5@acsu.buffalo.edu> v085f2wd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Theodore J Kury) writes:
>A question for all you BoSox fans out there, was John Valentin's hitting this
>year a fluke ? I realize that he's taken Rivera's job and will get the PT
>next year, but will he hit ? Could someone who's seen him or knows how he 
>hit in the minors (MLEs are not necessary, your opinion will do) please let
>me know ?

My answer?  Yes and no...  Yes, he can hit.  But I sincerely doubt he
can hit *that* well.  The MLEs for his 1991 season come to
.231/.319/.356.  Which, you will note, is far better than anything
Rivera has ever done.  This year in AAA, he hit .260/.353/.401, which
may or may not indicate better MLEs.  (He hit better than that in
Pawtucket last year, but hit *much* worse in New Britain.)  In any
case, any time a player hits better in the majors than in the minors,
you *know* it is a fluke.  He was 25 last year, so isn't far from his
peak.

Still, I'll be *very* happy if he hits .240/.330/.370 for a few years.
That's quality production for a solid defensive shortstop.

-Valentine
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From: zslb0f@trc.amoco.com (Steven L. Boyls)
Subject: Baseball team logos 
Originator: zslb0f@gpss31
Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 20:34:11 GMT


 Does anybody out there have gif files of the major league teams?
If so would you mind posting them? I'm especially interested in
getting a team logo of the Boston Red Sox. 


Thanks in advance,

  Steve

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From: matgress@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Matthew W Gress)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Giants Will Stay!!!
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:20:54 GMT
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN

Anyone know if Sen. Connie Mack is related to Cornelius]
McGilicuddy (the great Phi Ath Connie Mack) or is he
just a plagerizer?

Just curious
The Woodman
-- 
matgress@acc.stolaf.edu  (And Others By  My Altruism, Hee, Hee)
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only to tolerate its own differences, but to take delight in the small
differences which make the universe rich.  -MWG, With help from Gene
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From: kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ken Kaufman)
Subject: It's So Simple!!!
Keywords:  Read my lips -  :-)
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:17:09 GMT

There's such an elegant solution to the San Francisco/Tampa Bay
struggle, I'm surprised nobody's come up with it:  :-) :-) :-)

1)  The Giants stay in San Francisco.
2)  The Cubs move to St. Petersburg.

Everybody's happy.  Look what this accomplishes:

     1) San Francisco has a baseball team.
     2) Tampa Bay has a baseball team.
     3) Chicago has a baseball team.
     4) The Tribune Company now has some justification for keeping their
        club in the NL East.
     etc.


Ken "Go Ahead, Make Me Commissioner" Kaufman
kaufman@gmuvax2.gmu.edu
From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Unofficial Protected Lists from San Jose Mercury
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:11:16 GMT
Article-I.D.: emoryu1.1391
Organization: Emory University, Atlanta, GA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes:
: Boy, that list of portected palyers was a little surprising for
: some teams.

Biggest surprise for me was the Braves protecting Sanders AND
Nixon.  Everybody around these parts assumed they'd let one of
them go, especially considering the rumor that we're gonna pick
up Bonds.  Oh, well- conventional wisdom is the expansion teams
will go for Mercker, and we'll get to keep Pete Smith and Nied.
Suits me fine.
Bill
From: Shawn.T.Burgess@dartmouth.edu (Shawn T. Burgess)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Brewers in 93?
Date: 8 Nov 92 02:53:05 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a6@newshost.dartmouth.edu


Just a question:  do you guys think the Brewers season this year was a
fluke or can they pull it off next year?  Also, who are they likely to
lose this year (free-agent, draft, etc.)?

***shawn.burgess@dartmouth.edu***
Texas Rangers in 93!
(or 94 or 95 or 96, etc.)
My opinions in no way represent the views of Dartmouth College.
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Subject: Re: Mike Zimmerman
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 02:57:02 -0500 
Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 12-Nov-92 Re: Mike Zimmerman
Sherri Nichols@adobe.com (2101)

> The list I submitted for the net mock expansion draft differed from the
> list as published by 4 players.  I protected Zane Smith, Danny Jackson, Don
> Slaught, and Alex Cole, while the published list protected Paul Wagner,
> Jeff King, Brian Shouse, and Mike Zimmerman.  I considered protecting
> Wagner, and he was at the top of the list to add to the protected list
> after the first round.  I strongly suspected that the Pirates would protect
> Jeff King, but I think it's silly to protect 27 year olds who have yet to
> hit.  I'm not impressed by Shouse and Zimmerman.

> Sherri Nichols


I totally agree on Jeff King.  I think it would be smart to dangle him
and hope that he goes in the first round.

To me, the handwriting is on the wall.  The Pirates are going into a
mass rebuilding stage.  They are basically saying that they refuse to
lose a prospect, especially pitching.  You have to protect Zane Smith. 
I don't understand how they protected Shouse and Zimmerman ahead of Paul
Wagner.   I think the Pirate plucked will be Wagner or Slaught or Smith
in that order of probability.   Wagner may actually be a pretty high
pick.

I have heard that Zimmerman has a *GREAT* arm.  His mechanics are brutal
and his control is bad.  His stats are nothing great, but scouting must
think that this guy will someday bring it.  Shouse is a lefty.  Again,
scouting must think this guy will develop.  

I don't understand not protecting Alex Cole either now that I think
about it.  As bad as this list is, I think it is accurate.  I really
think the Pirates are going to downscale.  I look for a weak effort to
sign Drabek.  They are probably hoping they lose Jackson or Smith.  I
don't mind losing Jackson(he is a free agent after this year, not that
signing him would be a problem), but a healthy Smith is well worth the
$3 million a year.  You don't have to worry about him losing arm
strength and his fastball losing gas.   He is a sinkerball pitcher.  I
think he can be effective for the next 2 years.  Unless they just don't
think his shoulder will hold up.  This plan is better than being a high
payroll mediocre team.  If they can't sign Bonds(I still think it makes
sense to pay Bonds his $7 million), then this is the plan they should
take.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Tuesday, 10 Nov 1992 15:28:44 CST
From: Wayne Holly <U15050@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cy Young...When?

I have heard that the Cy Young Award will be announced on Wed., 11/11.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: eebonar@sn01.sncc.lsu.edu (Dave Bonar)
Subject: Re: Who was the favorite player of your youth?.
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>In article <1dc77oINNjep@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) writes:
>>
>>OK, now for someone completely different:
>>
>>	Manny Sanguillen

	Hey, he was my favorite too!  I thought the name was fun :).

	Tied for favorites due to actual ability were Aaron and Clemente.

	For some reason I never thought about pitchers much.

Dave
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eebonar@lsuvax.sncc.lsu.edu
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From: sgs@stein.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith)
Subject: Birthdays
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:14:07 GMT

Having missed a couple of days...

Baseball Birthdays

November 10
Norm Cash, 1934
Jack Clark, 1955
Larry Parrish, 1953
Bob Stanley, 1954
Jimmy Dykes, 1896
Birdie Tebbetts, 1912
Andres Thomas, 1963
Sammy Sosa, 1968
Junior Noboa, 1964
Kenny Rogers, 1964
Larry Christenson, 1953
Mike Vail, 1951
Gene Conley, 1930

November 11
Walter "Rabbit" Maranville, 1891 (HOF)
Harold "Pie" Traynor, 1899 (HOF)
Hal Trosky, 1912
Cory Snyder, 1962
George Case, 1915
"Clown Prince" Al Schacht, 1892
Ike Delock, 1929
Ownie Carroll, 1902
Rey Quinones, 1963

November 12
Carl Mays, 1891
Bruce Bochte, 1950
Jody Davis, 1956
Ron Bryant, 1947
Joe Hoerner, 1936
Greg Gagne, 1961
Donnie Hill, 1960
Jeff Reed, 1962
Gary Thurman, 1964

--Steve
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From: eric@parcplace.com (Eric Ching)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: 5 truly unbreakable records.
Date: 13 Nov 92 08:26:54 GMT

dsimon@atlas.nafb.trw.com writes:

>>>8) Fewest pitches thrown in an inning: 3.  many people
>> 
>> This one, easily the most insightful record of all time, 
>> made me wonder.  Wouldn't that record be one?  If it's the
>> bottom of the ninth, and the leadoff batter hits a game
>> winning homer on the first pitch, the game is over, which 
>> seems to mean the inning is over, with only one pitch thrown.

>I guess the original poster meant "fewest pitches thrown in a 3-out inning."

>But how about the following scenario.  The pitcher gives up a single to 
>the leadoff batter on the first pitch.  He then balks, runners on
>first and second, 1 pitch thrown.  He then picks off both runners.
>The next batter pops up on the first pitch thrown to him.

>The pitcher recorded three outs and got through the inning with only 
>two pitches.  I wonder if anything like this has ever happened.

>- Dan Simon -


Now wait a second!  Since when does balking put the batter on base???
On a pitcher's balk, the runner(s) move up, but the batter stays put
(assuming the batter doesn't put the ball in play).


Now...the *real* answer to "fewest pitches thrown in a 3-out inning"
is ONE.

Have fun figuring out this one...Note that it's *highly* improbable,
yet there's a possible situation in which one pitch is all you need...


Eric

Organization: Senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Fri,  6 Nov 1992 12:17:06 -0500 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Gold Gloves Announced

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 5-Nov-92 Gold Gloves Announced
Greg W. Of L. Spira@pani (982)

> My opinions: The only award that I strongly disagree with in the NL
> is Van Slyke.  5 years ago he was very good.  Now he gets on more
> highlight films, but doesn't cover the ground he once did.


There is probably not a bigger AVS fan than myself, but I totally agree
with you.  From my observation, Grissom covers more ground and should
get the award over Andy.  Steve Finley and Otis Nixon might cover more
ground also.  If you asked the players who voted for him, they might say
they voted based on his throwing arm which is still much stronger than
any other centerfielders arm.  The range factor is not what it used to
be.  Last year he was at or near the bottom.  In June of this year he
was in the upper third.  I would like to see the final DA numbers.
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From: dietz@parody.Data-IO.COM (Kent Dietz)
Subject: Re: published draft protection list (?)
Organization: Data I/O Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 18:36:57 GMT

I noticed that a couple of references to unofficial draft protection list
have been made.  Supposedly those lists were supposed to be kept secret,
if for no other reason then it probably is not very nice to know your team
does not value you as one the the top 15 in the organization.  

Oh, but wait!  Isn't this a scope possibility!?  My, oh, my, maybe we can
sell a few more papers and get a few mentions in other papers! (Do papers
get royalties on exclusive stories that are published elsewhere?)  Golly,
we are the owner of the Chicago Cubs (america's most beloved team,right!).
We have access to the lists, don't we?!  Lets leak the list to one of our
reporters -- after all, someone will probably figure it out anyway -- why
shouldn't we get the glory (read money).

I am really starting to HATE that blood sucking organization, the Chicago
Tribune.  First they are instrumental in killing a commissioner (regardless
of what you personally thought of the man, this really hurt the credibility 
of ML Baseball).  Now they weasel out the lists which for some reason was
intended to be protected.  I want to see a law suit -- from another paper,
for unfair trade practices, or from other baseball owners, who were blatantly
overridden by one of their members!

FLAME Off.

Kent "Time for another big fire" Dietz
Twins in '95. Cubs (Chicago Tribunal) and White Sox (Reinsdork) in ... never!
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From: franjion@spot.Colorado.EDU (John Franjione)
Subject: Expansion draft -- questions and comments
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 17:02:30 GMT

1.  Why were the protection lists supposed to be secret?  Who didn't
the owners want to see the lists?  Would the players have known who
was protected and who wasn't?  The Player's Association?

2.  I saw a report on ESPN this morning which said that some Denver
and Chicago newspapers published the list.

3.  On ESPN, Gammons said something to the effect that the published
lists are a "rotisserie leaguer's dream".  As someone who participates
in a rotisserie league, and being somewhat defensive, I didn't like
this remark.  What I think Gammons is saying is: "Ha, ha.  You poor
baseball nerds don't have anything better to do.  Now you are going
to be so happy that you can see this official expansion list."  Quite
a few sportswriters (Dan Shaughnessy of the Boston Globe among them)
seem to treat fantasy baseball participants with contempt.
Shaughnessy has often referred to "us" as "get-a-lifers".  Come on
Dan, lighten up.  We like baseball (like you).  We have fun playing GM
(like you do).  Don't belittle our hobbies.  It belittles your
profession.

John Franjione
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From: thornley@micro.cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Subject: Re: Mattingly, what a fine fielder (was: Hardly not etc.)
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:45:30 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.220154.4662@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:
>
>No, I am not proposing one "ultimate" method of deciding who the "best"
>player is.  You are.  Stats have value, certainly, but they are not the
>be-all end-all method of telling you who is the "best".  They can be
>used to support decisions but not to make them.  
>
Hmmmm......

Cut to October 1993.....

(AP) The Atlanta Braves protested the decision of Commissioner Roger
Maynard, who has ruled that the Montreal Expos will represent the National
League in the 1993 World Series, despite the Braves' winning the NLCS in
seven games.

"Stats have value," the commissioner was reported to say, "but they are
not the be-all end-all method of telling you who is the 'best'.  They can
be used to support decisions but not to make them.  Now, wins in the NLCS
are clearly a stat, and therefore  should not be used to make decisions.
I have made the decision that the Expos are the best team, and therefore
will oppose the Rangers in the World Series."

David Thornley
"Can I quote you out of context?" - Michael Mornard

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