From: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: big lie
Reply-To: "micky wong" <micky.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 11 Dec 92 14:30:28 EST

In article: <1fo1leINN1j1@liverbug.hsc.usc.edu>
   Subject: big lie
      From: jamesou@zygote.hsc.usc.edu (James Ou) writes:

Some of previous discussion deleted for brevity.

JO> Yes, and when this happens, the government teaches people to "Yi2
JO> Xiao5 Zuo4 Zhong1" (turning filial piety into loyalty). I have
JO> never been too sure about this statement.

Neither do I. My guess is: this could be a plot of the ruler to fool the
ruled.
Like the story that you mentioned in a earlier post, CCP had used
similar idea to have pitted children to denounce their parents, siblings
to betray eachother, this have caused many family tragedies.

JO> >Look at CCP's recent attack towards HongKong people's
JO> >demand for more democracy: It is really a very ugly and dangerous
JO> >beast!
JO>
JO> <Sigh>, as you quoted, MIN WU XIN BU LI, not many people trust
JO> CCP. The family of one of my friends have just emmigrated from Hong
JO> Kong to Canada. Two years ago when I asked my friend why he wanted to
JO> emmigrate to Canada, he told me that one would be crazy to trust CCP.
JO>
JO> >I think Confucius also said:
JO> >"Ju3 Zhi2 Cuo4 Zhu1 Wang3" (Use the righteous and expel the unjust peo
JO> >"Zhi4 Min2 Fu2"	    (People will approve>
JO> >"Ju3 Wang3 Cuo4 Zhu1 Zhi2" <Use the unjust and expel the righteous peo
JO> >"Ze2 Min2 Bu4 Fu2"	    <People will be resentful)
JO>
JO> What you quoted is interesting, I don't think I got mine wrong,
JO> or did I?   :-)

I don't think that you got yours wrong, I wouldn't dare to forget: that
Chinese History is probably your trade. and I do enjoy your stories.

Confucius had said many similar views with small variations at different
occasions. My reference book of Confucius' teaching are the cartoons
drawn by the famous cartoonist in Taiwan, "Cai4 Zhi4 Zhong1". if there
is an error in our quote, it will more likely be mine. 8-)

JO> >If the CCP is willing to learn from our wise Confucius, Chinese people
JO> >would be much better off today.
JO>
JO> Well, this is what Confucius quoted from Guan3 Zhong4:

I do not know "Guan3 Zhong4", please teach me.

JO>
JO>      Li3 Yi4 Lian2 Chi3, Guo2 Zhi1 Si4 Wei2,
JO>      Si4 Wei2 Bu4 Zhang1, Guo2 Nai3 Mie4 Wang2.
JO>      (Manners, justice, non-corruption and shame are the four
JO>      supports of a government.
JO>      When these four supports are removed, the government will fall.)
JO>
JO> Many people feel that CCP is ruthless (wu2 li3), unjust
JO> (wu2 yi4),  corrupt (bu4 lian2), and shameless (wu2 chi3). It looks
JO> like that CCP is in great danger.

Your statement is quite fitting, it is interesting to note that CCP
had finally stopped their attacks on Confucius' teaching;
The sad reality is:

CCP is currently using Confucius as a salesman to earn the "Tourist
Dollar", yet the CCP's behavior are still opposite to the teachings of
Confucius. It is truly "Xiu3 Mu4 Bu4 Ke3 Diao1 Ye3" (A piece of decayed
wood cannot be used for sculpture!)

JO> *******Yi3 Gu3 Wei2 Jing4, Ke3 Yi3 Zhi1 Xing1 Ti4.     -Li3 Shi4 Ming2
JO> (Using the history as a mirror, we can see what causes a dynasty
JO> to rise and to fall.)

Tang2 Tai4 Zong1 (Emperor TaiZong of Tang dynasty) was a very wise
Chinese. But for the majority of the Chinese people, to gamble their
welfare on the wisdom of one single smart ruler, has proofed a very
costly and unprofitable business.

(The story of Li3 Shi4 Ming2 may exemplify the paradoxical nature of
human endeavour: He had to kill his own brothers and forced his own
father into early retirement, in order to gain power, yet he proofed to
be the most sensible ruler of China.)

I believe that today's Chinese people as a whole, need to educated
themselves on how to be responsible for their own future.

Their future should be decided by each individual's own honest work, not
to be decided by promises from any political party or omnipotent
leaders.

Today's CCP has a choice to make, if they do not change their behavior,
change their way of thinking, then they will be discarded by the wave of
changes which is sweeping through China today.
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