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From: lpj@col.hp.com (Laura Johnson)
Subject: Re: New doggie -- Maltese
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 16:54:39 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

Barbara Carlson <bc1w+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> I got a new doggie.
...
Congratulations!

...
> 
> I've put him on a "dog food only" diet, hoping he'll lose some weight. I
> took him for a little *slow* walk yesterday and the poor thing was tired
> after 1 block. (whuff, whuff, whuff) 

This is normal for a dog that's out of shape. Make the walks a regular 
occurrence, and you'll be surprised how fast Ralph improves.

>He pants constantly and drinks a
> lot of water. Is this normal for a Maltese?
>

It's normal for any dog in hot weather, as far as I can tell.
 
> Another thing is his nails are so long they curl (which doesn't help his
> walking any), but I tried clipping them and the quick is really far out
> and he bled. *oops* He seemed to forgive me pretty quickly, though. I'm
> not sure how to help him.
> 
> I'm taking him to the vet's next Tuesday to see how his health is.
...

Have them clip his nails while you're there ... most vets don't charge too
much (I pay $7/dog). And I've heard that if the nails are too long, the
feet can be harmed permanently, so you need to do something. The vet or
assistant has more experience clipping nails than you do, so can do it
faster, avoid the quick more often, and deal neatly with any bleeding.

> 
> Any suggestions, comments, etc about Maltese dogs and their
> personalities would be appreciated. Advice on a diet would be good, too.
> I figured "no table food" was a good place to start.
> 
Absolutely.

> --Barb--
> 
> 

Enjoy your new dog!!

-Laura
-- 
lpj@hpctdls.col.hp.com
Opinions expressed are my own, but may be licensed for a nominal fee.
From: kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Belgian Sheepdogs
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:29:00 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services, Norman, OK
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

Hi Jon,
	Just wanted to say that, I have tried to send you email a couple
 of times but it just keeps getting bounced!  I hope your Terv puppy did
 well at the show!  The first shows in this area aren't until September so
 we're trying to get ready for them.

............................................................................
Kathy Greenwood                | Mom to 
Math Major (believe it or not!)|   Loucha and Landry (Belgian Sheepdogs)
University of Oklahoma         |   Ruger (English Springer Spaniel)
                               |   Elsa (German Wirehair Pointer)
.............................................................................
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Cavalier King Charles Spaniels
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 15:08:51 GMT

I'm interested in learning more about Cavalier King Charles Spaniels.
Now that our Havanese, Max, has a good concept of acceptable behaviour
in our family, we'd like to get a second dog.  

I read somewhere that Cavalier King Charles Spaniels do not have the
"pug" face that the rest of the toy spaniel breeds seem to have.  Is
this true?

I know they were discussed on the net before; however, Max then
required "full time and attention" and I didn't think I'd ever be
thinking of getting another dog!  Now, I'm ready to face puppyhood
again.

Thanks -- schalene

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis)
Subject: Re: What should I get?
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 15:14:07 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.224227.16791@javelin.sim.es.com> gfowler@javelin.sim.es.com (Gary Fowler) writes:
>I am looking into getting a dog for my family, and I want some
>suggestions as to a good breed.  Here are my requirements:
>
>    No shedding (or minimal shedding)
>    Good with kids (ages 2, 4, and 5)
>    Small to medium in size
>    Even tempered (won't bark at every little thing)
>    Not too expensive (my boss is a tight-wad)
>
>I would greatly appreciate your responses.
>
I'd like to put in a good word for a breed called Havanese.  They have
unusual fur that's more like hair and shed as much or less than
humans.  They're wonderful with children, especially if raised from
puppyhood with children.  (Remember, though, children need to be
trained on how to treat the dog as much as the dog needs to be
trained.)  They are about 10 inches tall at the shoulders and weigh
between 13 to 15 pounds.  They come in a variety of colors:  white,
cream, champagne, silver, gray, brown, black, and any combination of
the these colors.  They are very easy to train.  I started mine in
puppy kindergarten at 12 weeks of age and Max just "graduated" from
his advanced obedience class Monday.  He'll be 7 months old 08/08/92.
I don't know what you consider expensive.  Havanese are not recognized
by the AKC and can range in price from $400 to $1,000 depending on if
you want pet quality or show quality.

Havanese are a type of Bichon.  There are four types.  The Frise is
the most popular and the only acceptable colors are white and cream, I
believe.  Also, the "typical" grooming style for the Frise is to have
very accentuated "head hair" for lack of a better term.  Havanese are
to be kept more natural.  You do need to spend about 10 minutes every
other day brushing their coat, along with the other typical grooming
chores you would perform on any breed -- such as nail clipping and
teeth brushing.  We have our professionally groomed about every 2
months at $25 a pop.

If you'd like to find out more about the Havanese breed, you can write
to the Havanese Club of America in care of Diana Nowoslawski at 56
Donalson Avenue, Rutherford, New Jersey 07070.

I also strongly suggest you purchase a couple of books BEFORE you get
a dog.  They are "The Art of Raising a Puppy" by the Monks of New
Skete and "Mother Knows Best" by Carol Lea Benjamin.  They are
wonderful "how to" books that are invaluable for new dog owners.  They
also let you know exactly what you're in for.  Its important for the
sake of your future dog as well as your family that you're really
committed to owning a dog before you take on the responsibility.

Good luck in choosing a breed.  I'm sorry if I sound preachy, but I
do volunteer work at the local animal shelter on Wednesday evenings
and I'm always full of advise on Thursdays ;-)

schalene
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Dog 4-SALE **ROTTWEILER**
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ask Computer Systems Inc., Ingres Division, Alameda CA 94501
Date: 21 Jul 92 05:23:31 GMT

Terry Hull writes:
> You can get a top-notch American bred show prospect for $1000

Or you can acquire a lifelong animal companion for $35 and save its
life in the bargain.  Visit your local shelter.

Either way, be prepared to spend another $1000 or more for food and
vet care over its expected lifetime.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: duncan@ait.com (Richard Duncan)
Subject: Recommendation for a new training manual
Organization: Artificial Intelligence Technologies, Inc.
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 01:33:46 GMT


All:

If your are looking for an excellent training manual for your dog, let
me recommend "Dog Talk" by John Ross & Barbara McKinney (St Martin's
Press 1992). I've taken classes with John and he is quite a
good teacher and much of this comes through in the book. (We are
routinely complemented on how well behaved our labrador Whit is).

The book is reviewed in this month's Dog Fancy. The reviewer writes
that it is "a refreshingly thorough training manual", that is a "joy
to read." The review concludes with the statement: "This book gets my
highest praise - I'll recommend it to my own students."


- Rich Duncan
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: BKD@USLVM.USL.EDU (Brian K. Dore')
Subject: Things that ferrets like
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 14:42:28 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.105157.4426@mr.med.ge.com>
hinz@bonfire (David Hinz Mfg 4-6987) writes:
 
>Funny you should mention shoes.  I was late to work the other day, because
>my shoes were quite well hidden.  One was under the livingroom couch, the
>other under the diningroom table.  My VCR's remote control is God knows where.
>
>Has anyone else noticed that a toilet brush seems to have some weird
>fascinating properties to ferrets?
 
How about hairbrushes, squeeze bottles, leather (purses and wallets) objects,
bar soap, anything made of styrofoam, any liquid, sweaty clothes, garbage
bags, closed cabinets, cardboard tubes,  steam irons and motorcycle helmets?
 
Then there is the things you can count on them doing, like knocking over
any upright container (especially garbage cans and drink glasses), getting
into anything you might leave open (cabinets, dishwashers, file drawers,
entertainment centers, suitcases); and having an absolute FIT when you
take anything away from them.
 
My latest problem is door stoppers.  The little rubber caps on the end of
the springs are irresistable, even DRENCHED in bitter apple, hot sauce,
or whatever.  Ferret-proofing is an ever ongoing process...
 
Brian, Tataille, and B.G.
 
 
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From: tjc50@ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,alt.folklore.urban,talk.bizarre,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Jackelope
Date: 24 Jul 92 01:53:04 GMT
Reply-To: tjc50@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <Brq9tu.Kv0@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sabg9174@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tolthrye) writes:
>
>    I dunno...I'm enjoying it.
>    Let's not be too a.r. about topics and newsgroups, eh?

Yes; Anal Retentiveness is for gerbils.
-- 
The above is my thoughts, not Amdahl's;   |  Terry Carroll  408/992-2152
The above is not legal advice;            |  Senior Computer Architect
Contents sold by weight, not by volume;   |  Amdahl Corporation
Your mileage may vary.                    |  tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com
Newsgroups: rec.pets,alt.folklore.urban,alt.sex
From: thawley@indetech.com (Todd Hawley)
Subject: Re: Jackelope
Organization: Independence Technologies, Inc. Fremont, CA
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 17:16:27 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.175619.16297@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
>
>How much duct tape is used with hamsters? gerbils? Kibo?

Not as much as you have to use w a basselope. Of course, basselopes are
pretty tame & you usually don't have to use tape w them. Unless you have
something sick & perverted in mind.

-th		"Burn BUSH in '92"
From: scm@harvee.UUCP (S. Mudgett aka little gator)
Subject: Re: Self-righteous Jerks (was RE:Lifespans)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Date: 23 Jul 92 09:11:48 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: gators 'r us
X-Version: Rodney's UUCP modules 02/11/90 V1.18

In article <ardie.88@UIUC> ardie@UIUC (Richard D. McClary) writes:
(Sender was: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu)
> 
> 	After two weeks of firey flames, I have yet to here what the life 
> expectancy of a gerbil is!
i seem to have missed this msg thread till now.  2 to 3 years is typical, the
record among the 20 or so i've had was 4 years, 8 months.

  Anyway, the problem is not irresponsible kids 
> but rather crazy cages.  I am the only one in my household with sufficient 
> manual dexterity to take Habitrail or SAM cages apart and re-assemble them 
> every evening for cleaning.  (Don't be fooled - they pee in the most 
> inaccessible place possible, and daily cleaning is required!)  Of course, I 
> could always make my kids do the cages, which, with 3 cats and a dog, would 
> shorten their lifespans considerably.
or you could switch to what i found easiest to clean and work with, a 10
gallon aquarium with a wire mesh lid designed to convert it to a rodent cage.
--
-- little gator aka S. Mudgett     email: scm@harvee.uucp
-- friend of a gator is a friend of mine
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From: vmh@vmh.Eng.Sun.COM (Valerie Haecky)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,rec.pets.herp
Subject: BAARS Bazaar and Swap Meet (Sat, August 29th)
Followup-To: poster
Date: 28 Jul 1992 17:45:24 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: vmh




		The Bay Area Amphibian and Reptile Society (BAARS)

		 		     presents

				     BAZAAR II

		       The Second BAARS Bazaar and Swap Meet





WHEN: Saturday, August 29, 1992
      11 am through 4pm


WHERE: Cubberly Community center
       4000 Middlefield Road, Palo Alto
       (one block north of San Antonio Rd, same place as meetings).


There will be a wide cariety of both herps and herp related items
offered for sale by pet stores, breeders, and club members. For
example: hatchlings, custom cages, live food, herp books, t-shirts.

In addition there will also be a special show by the members of
BAARS where you will be able to meet members and their animals.

There is a 2$ entry fee for the bazaar, the show is free.
This is a fund raising event: 10% of all proceeds go to BAARS.

For additional information, contact John Williams at (408) 243-6057
or Charles Mabie (510) 475 7469.





--
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 ___/ _____ \__/ /           vmh@vmh.sun.com         <_|-----)> 
<____/     \____/                                       v---v
From: jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke;S10000)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Rabbit infested with mites
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:43:01 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

In article <18838@drutx.ATT.COM> njl@drutx.ATT.COM (LaRocheNJ) writes:
>> >My rabbit has a major infestation of mites. Flea powder does nothing.
>
>You need to apply it by lifting the hair and shaking/spraying the flea
>powder/spray carefully to get it all over the skin.  Use only those powders
>and sprays approved for use on kittens.  Repeat every five days for weeks.
>And weeks.  And weeks.  Until you're SURE they're gone.  I've recently used
>this procedure to rid three new bunnies of mites.  It really only took
>about three, maybe four weeks.
>
>You can also spray/powder things like a cardboard carrier, etc. to rid them
>of any mites lurking, waiting for the bun.
>
>> I thought of using borax, but I don't know if that is toxic to rabbits.
>
>No, it isn't toxic to rabbits, but I don't think it kills mites, either.
>It kills fleas, not by being toxic (poison), but by drying them out.  I
>wouldn't put it on an animal because of this drying of the skin, but it
>wouldn't poison them.
>
>However, I don't KNOW that borax won't kill mites.  
>

I am not sure what type of mites your bunnies get; rabbit mites were mentioned
only briefly in my parasitology course.  The types mentioned are ear mites
(Psoroptidae) and "walking dander" aka "fur mite" (Cheyletiella).  In any
case mites are eight legged relatives of spiders (arachnids) while fleas
are insects.  In terms of life cycle, these groups vary in that the immature
insect is a larval form, while the immature arachnid is usually termed
a nymph.  A nymph is just a miniature mite (if you can imagine smaller than
that).

While fleas spend much of their life cycle off the animal, mites spend
all of theirs on the host (with exceptions, of course).  Some mites
are of a more burrowing, biting nature (ear mites, for example).  These kinds
of mites can be treated with injectables, ivermectin is one that can be
used.  Surface mites need to be treated as mentioned in the cited article.
And it would be wise to treat the animal's environment, as well, to catch the
stragglers.  Rigorous treatment of the animal is needed to stop the life cycle.
In the case of fleas, the life cycle can be severely curtailed by rigorous
treatment of the environment (vacuuming, borax, etc.).

To be conservative, treat both animal and environment when dealing with
flies, fleas, mites, ticks and lice.

-Jeff
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jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu ...uunet!wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu!jeffp
jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet CIS: 71511,1512  AOL: JeffParke
a.k.a. Jeff Parke,  Washington State University College of Vet. Medicine
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From: gooley@netcom.com (Mark. Gooley)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Jackelope / Basselope
Date: 21 Jul 92 10:52:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <62478@cup.portal.com> lordSnooty@cup.portal.com (Andrew - Palfreyman) writes:
>perhaps surprisingly, no-one has yet mentioned the Jackanape.
>and i'm certainly not going to be the one.
>						--@lS
>						"it ain't me babe"


They don't have to.  Anybody who keeps this stupid, dull, dreary thread
on talk.bizarre is the perfect example of a jackanapes.

Mark., edit your Newsgroups: line, folks
gooley@netcom.com
From: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Vacuuming Prarie Dogs
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:10:32 GMT
Reply-To: mjohnson@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (Marget Johnson)
Organization: Stakeholder Relations, NCR Corp in Dayton,OH

In article <rizzoe.79.712262011@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU>
rizzoe@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
......Story of vacuuming p. dogs in Denver deleted............
>Now the New York Times is not quite the National Enquirer, but I for one 
>find this story totally bizarre.  Does anyone have any idea how such a 
>plan could work and how exactly one goes around vacuuming prarie dogs 
>(what a great ad for a Hoover.. "enough suction to pick up dust, dirt, 
>grime and prarie dogs") .

Now that I've stopped giggling over Emily's post, I can respond SERIOUSLY to
this inquiry. The bean farmer from Cortez, Colorado who invented the p. dog
remover has had a lot publicity...mostly on the wire services. My husband was
born & raised in Cortez, and we asked the family there about the inventor. He
is, of course, the laughing stock of the county, and an embarrasment to the
townspeople and other self-respecting dirt farmers. It seems that the
vacuuming device works great, sucks up the little critters with no problem.
But one small problem remains... what do you do with a couple hundred unhappy
prairie dogs? If you let them loose ANYWHERE in PLAINS/southwest, they just
repopulate the fields. A two-day vacation in a Denver animal shelter, as
described by the NY Times article, is just not a practical solution to the
bean farmers. I suppose we could start an adopt-a-p. dog fund. Maybe start a
colony in Central Park?



-- 

Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: chris@unislc.uucp (Chris DelPrete)
Subject: Re: Vacuuming Prarie Dogs
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Distribution: usa 
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 15:45:33 GMT

There was a segment on national public radio (NPR) about prarie dog vacuuming.
Yes it is real.  A guy literally dreamed up this idea.  He has a truck that is
essentially a large vacuum cleaner. He puts the hose in the burrow and it
literally sucks the little guys from their homes.  They are very rarely hurt
(last week he did over 1000 dogs and only two died).  When he opens up the
tank, most of the dogs are playing around and making new burrows.  He relocates
them to a place where they won't be pests.  

It is very safe (after all, the environmentalists are happy with it).  And the
dogs just start burrowing whereever they are dropped.  

Anyway, that is my 2 cents.

-- 
                          _   /|
Chris DelPrete Delaney    \'o.O'
chris@unislc              =(___)=
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From: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,alt.folklore.urban,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Jackelope
Date: 29 Jul 92 17:56:19 GMT
Reply-To: lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner)
Organization: Columbia University

In article <1992Jul28.055719.4083@deeptht.armory.com> rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz) writes:
>>
>>	Can you fuck them or use them in sex?
>----------------------------
>Only with a couple C-clamps and not less than six pounds of duct tape,
>and that won't hold for long.

How much duct tape is used with hamsters? gerbils? Kibo?
Newsgroups: rec.pets
From: bpeal@eng.clemson.edu (brian (malibu) peal)
Subject: Prarie Dogs
Summary: I own two prarie dogs as pets.  I am interested if anyone else does, or is close to where I could buy more if needed.
Reply-To: bpeal@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 20:43:33 GMT

				Malibu

Keywords:
From: bpeal@eng.clemson.edu (brian (malibu) peal)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: Re: Vacuuming Prarie Dogs
Summary: If anyone could get more info on who this guy is that vaccuums up P.D.'s, please let me know.  I need about 10 more marmutts (that another word for P.D.'s)
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:09:10 GMT
Reply-To: bpeal@eng.clemson.edu
Organization: College of Engineering, Clemson Univ.


					Malibu
Keywords: 
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From: rstevew@deeptht.armory.com (Richard Steven Walz)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,alt.folklore.urban,alt.sex
Subject: Re: Jackelope
Date: 28 Jul 92 05:57:19 GMT
Organization: The Armory

In article <1992Jul15.185023.12388@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com> puter@no1home.nashvil.ingr.com (PuterDude) writes:
>>>: >What's a Jackelope?  Is it like a hoop snake?
>>>: 
>>>: It's an endangered mammal. It resembles a jack rabbit but
>>>: is twice the size and has antlers like a pronghorn. The last
>>>: known sighting of this shy creature was outside of the Cowboy Bar
>>>: in Laramie WY just after dusk and a little before dawn.
>>>: 
>>>Really???  Where can I get one, and would my ferrets attack it, or would
>>>it be relatively safe?
>>>
>>Since Jackelopes are the only known lagomorph carnivores, and have been
>>know to carry off and eat small children and other household pets,
>>(and as a parent myself, I can safely say this ^)
>>I imagine that your ferrets would be in great danger.  Until recently
>>there was a herd near Price Club, here in Albuquerque.
>
>And since this is cross-posted to alt.sex, my question is...
>
>	Can you fuck them or use them in sex?
----------------------------
Only with a couple C-clamps and not less than six pounds of duct tape,
and that won't hold for long.
-RSW
From: horsman@geo.lbl.gov (Jennifer Horsman)
Newsgroups: rec.pets
Subject: new bunny friend
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:01:34 GMT
Followup-To: rec.pets
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley

I want to get a mate for my rabbit Hamlet. He is very affectionate
but I have no idea how he will get along with a new friend around.
I need some advice on introducing the two to each other. I want to
get my rabbit from the HRS in Alameda, so she will probably be full
grown. Will this be a problem? Should I take Hamlet with me and
let him pick out a mate? I have also noticed that when other rabbits
are around, Hamlet tends to drop pills all over the place even
though he is litter trained. He seems to forget. Any advice would be
appreciated.

Thanks, Jennifer & Hamlet
horsman@geo.lbl.gov
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From: dlee@girtab.usc.edu (David J. Lee)
Newsgroups: rec.pets,alt.folklore.urban,alt.sex,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Jackelope
Date: 31 Jul 1992 12:09:11 -0700
Organization: The Island of Misfit Toys
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

In article <1992Jul31.171627.18507@indetech.com> thawley@indetech.com (Todd Hawley) writes:
->In article <1992Jul29.175619.16297@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:
->>
->>How much duct tape is used with hamsters? gerbils? Kibo?
->
->Not as much as you have to use w a basselope. Of course, basselopes are
->pretty tame & you usually don't have to use tape w them. Unless you have
->something sick & perverted in mind.
->
->-th		"Burn BUSH in '92"

My apelope used three roles of duct tape on my basselope when it was
hard up.  It's relly tough on apelopes because there are so few of
them.  I just wish they weren't so damn intelligent.

.