From: kevin@liebe.uucp (Kevin Brawley)
Subject: Re: Hypocrisy, Bloody Hypocrisy II
Organization: Liebe Company
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:03:07 GMT

mal11@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis) writes:



>sorry about that.....this stupid network was about to cut me off

On the whole I think you have an interesting and well thought-out post.
But on a few minor points...

>continuing......

>Abortion is not birth control, but it is being used as such. Why are
>1 out of 4 babies aborted??? What is it, a million a year??? Anyways...
>the number if kinda high. Are that many people having condoms fail, etc??
>I think not. I think that there is a bigger problem that people 
>fail to recognize. (Imagine the controversy we could have debating this
>"real problem") I think that abortion has become "accepted" to the
>point of abuse, much in the manner that divorce. There are good
>reasons for divorce, but too often people take the easy way out with
>a quick divorce instead of working out their problems. The same is
>true with abortion. I think that I was an "accident," if you will.
>But I wasn't detrimental to my parents' livelihood. So they had me.
>The point is that, as a medical procedure, abortion should be
>used when the mother's life is in danger. I do believe that a fetus
>is a human being, but I think that the mother's life is more 
>important. So now we get to the point of when is a woman's life
>in danger. Some pro-lifers will accept abortion for pregnancies
>by rape and incest. I am FOR abortions in this sense, as with
>medical complications that could harm the mother. But a woman's
>life can also be endangered in other ways. If my girlfriend were to
>get pregnant and has to have the child, her life and opportunities
>would be ruined. So abortion is ok in other cases too.

Your girlfriend is not "endangered" in the aforementioned scenario.  The
only thing endangered here is a lifestyle, which is no excuse for killing.

>The most difficult decision is drawing the line for these "other cases."

>But this I will tell you: I am against the pro-choice movement
>simply because of the abuse of abortion, i.e. convenience, etc. 
>No teenage girl should have 5 abortions. You are ignorant of a   
>severe problem with our society if you think that that is acceptable.

Exactly.

>I find it very amusing that most of these people who are "pro-choice"
>also support gun control. Might I bring something to your attention?
>The Constitution guarantees our rights to both abortions and the
>right to bear arms.

The Constitution does not guarantee abortions.  As I recall the translation
from one of the judges writings says that abortion is guaranteed by the 
"...vapors arising from the shadows..." within the Constitution.  In other
words the judge wanted it to be legal, and so it was.

>Yet now, we have to have gun control because 
>some people abuse this privilege. If we don't have control of
>abortions, it will continue to be abused. Most "pro-choice"
>supporters want no control. This is ludicrous. Man, or woman, 
>(God I hate PC!!!!) has proven throughout history that they WILL
>ALWAYS abuse their rights. Look at our judicial system for an 
>excellent example. Look around you. Abuse is everywhere. Alcohol.
>Drugs. TV. Divorce. We can't let abuse of abortion make things worse.
>If we spent half the time that we use debating this stupid issue
>trying to prevent all these "unwanted" pregnancies, then abortion
>really wouldn't matter. But no, we have to argue about the quick fix.
>Open your eyes people. Stop being so damn impassionned that you can't
>see the whole picture. Pro-life.....you will ruin the lives
>of countless people. Pro-choice....you will abuse a right to the 
>point that the consequences will be worse than you could ever imagine.
>The Greeks would leave babies on mountain sides to die. It lead
>to their downfall. Everyone should realize that their actions
>today effect the rest of time. Stop thinking about the present and
>yourself all the time. Sure, keep that in proportion, but be a little
>nobler. There is a branch of mathematics called complex dynamical
>systems. Most of you know it by those beautiful pictures of fractals
>with all the colors. Chaos theory tells us that a butterfly flying
>in China will make the weather different in America. One person/fetus
>can make the world a different place.

>Funny thing is.....I'm going to piss off people on both sides.

I'm certainly not pissed off.  Post again sometime.

Kevin Brawley

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