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From: milleman@athena.cs.uga.edu (Richard Milleman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND vs FSU
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:52:04 GMT
Organization: University of Georgia, Athens

In article <karen.aberli.1-100992142550@aberlimac.adminis.nd.edu> karen.aberli.1@nd.edu (Karen Aberli) writes:
>In article <BuDBu9.Fu0@news.larc.nasa.gov>, ohmann@sab57.larc.nasa.gov
>(Daring Dale Douglas) wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> In article <1685E6D01.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com>, JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>> |>
>> |> In article <BuBsEt.1FC@news.larc.nasa.gov>
>> |> ohmann@sab57.larc.nasa.gov (Daring Dale Douglas) writes:
>> |>
>> |>> Add FSU to the list of teams that ALWAYS beat Notre Dame.
>> |>> 2-0 and still counting.  See ya in '93 and '94.
>> |>                ^^^^^^^^
>> |> Is that how well they teach counting at FSU?  I'd like to see
>> |> you post the years and scores of these 2 victories.  I only
>> |> see 1981 in which FSU beat ND 19-13.
>> 
>> 
>> Someone help me on this one, please.
>> The other game was within 1-3 years after the above mentioned game.
>> If someone with a history book could post the other score it would 
>> settle this here and now.
>> 
>> Granted both wins were "Faust Era" games.  Be that as it may, the 'Noles 
>> travelled to South Bend both games because the Irish refused to play
>> the Seminoles on the road.  FSU wanted to continue the series but only
>> on a home-home basis.  Hence the long layoff.  Finally, ND has agreed
>> to play a game in Doak-Campbell Stadium ('94), but only after another
>> game in Indiana ('93).
>> 

Actually, this game will be played in Orlando's Citrus Bowl.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: maxwellar@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: BYU-SDSU Predictions: BYU 31 : SDSU 28
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Distribution: rec.sport.football.college
Date: 10 Sep 92 15:05:59 -0700

In article <1992Sep10.180418.8802@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, jli@bingham.utah.edu (Jianliang Li) writes:
> In article <RFARR.4.0@> RFARR@ (Rich Farr) writes:
>>Anyone dare to make a prediction on tonights BYU-San Diego State game.  
>>Remember, keep the numbers high<g>.
> 
> 	BYU 31 : SDSU 28

I hope you are more accurate in this guess than the Nebraska-Utah guess.
From: gritter@cs.purdue.EDU (Carl R. Gritter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Purdue Goalposts
Date: 15 Sep 92 03:00:51 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

In article  <37ynyxq.mzimmers@netcom.com> mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>What's the story here?  Beating Cal, even by 27 points, can't be
>THAT big of a deal for Purdue, can it?  Do the fans there go nuts
>after every win, or were they really looking at Cal as a major
>team to take down?

Purdue football has gone a long time between wins over ranked
opponents.  The last time was 1988 at Ohio State I think.  The last
time the fans stormed on the field and took down a goal post or two
was 10 years ago (vs Iowa -- the Purdue Exponent said OSU in 82 but
Purdue lost 38-6 to OSU that year).  There have been other upset wins
(Michigan in 1984) but none by so big a margin.  The last time Purdue
beat a Pac-10 team was in 1981 (vs Stanford with a young Elway at QB).
I also remember fans celebrating after the 1985 Notre Dame win and
after the Bucket game win over IU in 1986 (but the goal posts remained
intact).

Purdue fans: Do you realize that 1986 was the last time Purdue beat IU
AT HOME!  Purdue's last win over IU was 1989 at Bloomington but IU has
taken four of the last five (at least Burtnett won the bucket game
most every year during his tenure.  Boy, the more you look at what
Akers didn't do at Purdue, the more you cringe).  That's gotta change
this year!

So yes, there was reason to celebrate.  
Carl
From: JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Notre Dame
Date: 9 Sep 92 14:39:45 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs

In article <BILLMS.92Sep8190239@z.eecs.umich.edu>
billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith) writes:
>Serious question, no chain pulling: What did/do the ND fans think of Brown?
>He had all of this hype, but it seemed like either he never delivered or
>Holtz never asked much of him.  Did you guys think he was all world like the
>NFL scouts seemed to, were you frustrated that he wasn't used more, or did
>you generally think it was hype?

A very good question.  I have always thought Holtz underutilizes tight ends
(not as badly as Wayne, though, Bill :^) ), but I think Irv Smith will be
counted on to make some TD's in close quarters.  Actually, perhaps Holtz
uses tight ends judiciously (he is the coach and I'm not thank goodness).
But to see Derek Brown (6'7", 243 lbs., fairly quick, very strong) used
so infrequently seemed to me to waste his skills.  In 46 career games, he
62 catches for 899 yds and 8 TD's.  No catches against Michigan last year
nor MSU nor Penn State - the most he made in any game last year was 2.
His blocking certainly helped, but let's see some safety have to alternate
between tackling Bettis and Brown.
From: billms@eecs.umich.edu (William Mangione-Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Notre Dame
Date: 10 Sep 92 20:04:41 GMT
	<1992Sep8.214034.12505@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
	<1992Sep10.135601.19958@news.nd.edu>
	<1992Sep10.154145.27442@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
Organization: University of Michigan

In article <1992Sep10.154145.27442@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> robertd@ecs.comm.mot.com (Robert Day) writes:

   In <1992Sep10.135601.19958@news.nd.edu>, rszczerb@steinbeck.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:

   >Actually, with all the questions about our defense this year, I predict:

   >		ND    128
   >		Mich  120

   >		Bettis will rush for 786 yards.


   >			- Rob

   My, you're getting to be quite the smart aleck
   aren't you? :)  Funny thing is, I agree.  With
   ND's great offense and their crappy defense I think
   it's going to be a high scoring game.


Yeah, I think there is going to be a lot of scoring as well.  Michigan's
skill players are all back, with the exception of Howard.  If the slighly
retooled line is in shape the team should be able to move the ball pretty
consistently.  And I don't think anybody can stop Bettis.  Should be a great
game.

Bill
--
-------------------------------
	Bill Mangione-Smith
	billms@eecs.umich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: bobj@meaddata.com (Robert Jones)
Subject: Re: ND vs UM
Keywords: Holtz
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 17:20:53 GMT

In article <BuKnz2.IE4@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, jones@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (William P. Jones) writes:

[lots deleted]

|> Chris Collinsworth is certainly an improvement over Bill Walsh but he kept 
|> talking about ND turning the ball over in the "Red Zone" when in fact their 
|> fumbles were in the vicinity of the 35.

I don't know about that.  As much as I hated Walsh, I had to go to the
US Open during the extended injury timeout when the Michigan guy blew
out his knee (probably the grossest video since Theisman.)  Not only
did NBC show far too much of this guy screaming in agony, Collinsworth
and Hammond sat they saying such astute things as "It could be his tibia,"
"maybe it's his femur."  This was not 10 minutes after talking at
lengths about how Hutchinson's jaw was broken in last year's game and
how he was gagging on his own blood.  Not commentary you want to be
eating lunch during.

Someone should mail Holtz a video tape of the Bears game last week.  Or
at least mail him the last minute of it.


Bob Jones
bobj@meaddata.com
Mead Data Central
From: rszczerb@twain.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: ND's DuBose Situation
Date: 4 Sep 92 19:37:12 GMT
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <1685868D7.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep3.135226.15911@news.nd.edu>
>rszczerb@chekov.helios.nd.edu (Robert Szczerba) writes:
>>I'm just curious ... are you practicing your excuses for when
>>ND beats Michigan in two weeks.  I have faith in you Bill, I'm
>>sure you'll come up with something really remarkable to place
>>the blame on.  I'm looking forward to reading it.
>
>Okay, I suggest we start a Schembechler pool, named after the
>famous Woody Hayes impersonator from Michigan who never saw an
>excuse he didn't like.
>
>Here is my prognostication for Bill Mangione-Smith's excuse when
>Notre Dame beats Michigan this year:
> "Well, if'n they'd just had DuBose, we would have beaten them.
>  That backup guy came off the bench and had something to prove.
>  Isn't that a violation of some sort?  I mean we are 14-9 against
>  them.  And what about religion?  That isn't fair.  And they were
>  at home, which is patently unfair."

Let's start a thread of great Michigan excuses for the ND game:

How about: 

	- Those damn golden helmets kept reflecting the sun
          into the Michigan players eyes so they couldn't make
	  the tackles.

		- Rob
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: godfrey@cs.washington.edu (Garr Godfrey)
Subject: Re: Huskies 31 ASU 7
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 01:44:13 GMT

In article <1685C7C8F.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.060737.28641@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
>godfrey@cs.washington.edu (Garr Godfrey) writes:
>>With 3 called back touchdowns, the reigning national champs managed to
>>dominate the devils.  Look for Napolean Kaufman to move up....
>
>It sure looked like the Huskies had NO rush defense.  Do you have the
>stats for the rushing game?  I agree the Huskies had their way, but
>there were some gaping holes in the defense and if they play
>that way against a good rushing team,  . . . . ?

ASU had something like 250 yards rushing, practically all by Mario Bates.
Mario Bates is the brother of Michael Bates, 1992 Olympics Medalist and
Seattle Seahawk.  Therefore, although ASU may not be a great rushing
"team", it is possible that they have one very great rushing "Mario".

A big chunk of the 250 came on an 80 yard TD run (ASU's only score).;
That was 1 significant defensive error.  There were a couple others.
However, in 2 weeks I would not expect the Husky D to make the same
mistakes.

-Garr


-- 
***********************************************************************
* Garr Godfrey
*   Any opinions expressed are someone else's. I take no responsibility.
*   godfrey@cs.washington.edu
From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Notre Dame
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:13:52 GMT
	<ASH.92Sep10162023@ulysses.mr.ams.com>
	<1992Sep10.215758.26591@cs.ucla.edu>
Organization: American Math. Society

In article <1992Sep10.215758.26591@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:

   >In article <ASH.92Sep10162023@ulysses.mr.ams.com> ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder) writes:
   >>In article <1685EB34C.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
   >>
   >>   >Hornung (1956).  And recall the man who you Michigan crybabies claimed
   >>                                                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   >>Geez.  And Notre Dame fans *aren't* crybabies?  These are the people
   >>who thinks God is on their side.  So if Notre Dame loses, does that
   >>mean you didn't say enough hail mary's last week?  If Michigan loses
   >>to Notre Dame, it's because Notre Dame is the better team.  No
   >>excuses, no whining, no crying.  If Michigan wins, will we get the
   >>same from you?

   >You will from me, at least.  I really don't understand why Notre Dame
   >fans are bashing Michigan fans, and visa versa.  As a Notre Dame fan,
   >I always look forward to the Michigan game because I know it will be
   >a hardfought, exciting game against a great opponent.  That's why winning
   >it is so sweet, when we do.  When we don't, it's disappointing, but at
   >least we have the consolation of having lost to one of the best.  I have
   >nothing but respect for Michigan and its program.

Oh, please.  If I hear any more stuff like this I'll have to stop
hating Notre Dame.  Quit being so reasonable!

   >By the way, I've never heard any Notre Dame fan seriously claim that
   >God cares especially whether the Irish win or not.  I think the "God's
   >team" label comes mostly from outside the university, not from inside it.
   >Of course, some of you may be consorting with a lower caliber of Notre
   >Dame fan than I do . . .

Really, stop it....I'm starting to actually like you.  It's people
like this that give Notre Dame a good name.  Gulp. I can't believe I
actually said the word "good" in the same sentence as "Notre Dame".  

But seriously, it should be a great game on Saturday.
From: KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big Ten Prognostication
Date: 9 Sep 92 00:58:00 GMT
Organization: Kamchatka Charlie

In article <168586800.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>Also, what happened to Michigan State last year?
     Coach Perles had the AD Job as well, and paid attention to that job to the
detriment of his coaching.  The CMU coach (forgot his name) said MSU wasn't
prepared for the game and played sloppy.

>Will whatever happened (last year) repeat itself?
     Highly unlikely.  Perles' Pride is on the line this year, and with his
attention focused on ONE job this year, I doubt he'll mess up on this.

Kamchakta Charlie          KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
From: sjc@cs.purdue.EDU (Steve Chapin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: lou holtz should be drawn and quartered
Date: 14 Sep 92 08:38:49 GMT
	<1992Sep13.154409.1095@asuvax.eas.asu.edu> <BuK3p3.Dvv@rice.edu>
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University

}} In article <BuK3p3.Dvv@rice.edu> rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera) writes:
}} 
}} Apparantly Notr Dame has a precedent for this kind of
}} lame duck behavior.

There was a difference, though.  Parseghian admitted that he played
for the tie.  Holtz won't.

I'm not trying to claim that going for the tie was a bad coaching
move, only that Holtz has all the honesty and intestinal fortitude of
George Bush (Whoa!  Two George Bush slams in one week).

sjc@cs.purdue.edu               Steve Chapin           Today's Grammar Lesson:
   Brake your bike before the wall, or you'll break your bike upon the wall!

             If I don't want it in my back yard, I don't want it.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: wilbanks@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Dylan Wilbanks)
Subject: a CU - Big 8 - summary
Summary: uh
Keywords: CU Big 8
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 01:30:30 GMT

OK, CU beats CSU, 37-17. Not pummels, blasts, plasters, just beats. 

Kordell Stewart had ****409**** yards passing on 23-30 4TD-1INT. Not 
bad for a first start. That, BTW, is a school record for passing yards.

Michael Westbrook and Charles Johnson went over 100 yards recieving.

Most of the passing was on out-of-time long distance air strikes, such as 
a 74 yarder to Westbrook to open scoring. Still, not bad for a rookie.

CU rushing was noticably lacking big-time, though James Hill and Lamont
Warren had some nice runs and the backfield had 100+ yards on the ground.

The big surprise, however, was the rushing defense for CU. They can't 
stop a trap, thus the 17 points. Also, the passing D was a lil under 
quality. 

But you must hand it to CSU; they played well above the "basement dweller"
moniker the media has chosen to put on them this season.

Great game. Looks like Colorado will be in the big party this year.

-- 
Dylan Wilbanks, Classics major, AND NOW Environmental Conservation!
Hobbes:"Why do we always play war and not peace?"|Currently at:
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From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Hmmm  Texas to Big 10!!!
Keywords: n
Date: 10 Sep 92 16:52:15 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station

In article <1992Sep10.133031.5234@chpc.utexas.edu> boisseau@chpc.utexas.edu (John R. Boisseau (Jay)) writes:
>Hmmm... I guess what you really want is the distance from A&M to those
>places [Stillwater and Norman]...
>          I think one of the A&M posters can give you a MUCH better
>answer, since the one I'm thinking of was at OkState before A&M.
>Was that you, Goober, or someone else?

It's 8 hours from College Station to Eskimo Joes, err Stillwater.
Unfortunately, it involves going thru Norman about an hour earlier.


>I really think Texas and A&M should join the SEC, giving it 2 7-team
>divisions, or, perhaps even better, those two plsu Texas Tech and Houston
>should join the Big 8, giving it 2 6-team divisions. Yeah, I like that!
>The Southwest division would consist of UT, A&M, TT, UH, OU, and OSU;
>the North division would consist of the others (Colorado, Nebraska,
>KU, KState, etc.) Travel times would be reasonable, the Big 8 gets
>to add Texas markets to it's viewing, the Texas schools get to 
>play in a decent conference. Let me get DeLoss on the phone... I'll
>post the results later! ;-)

I'd love to see the two Texas schools (A&M and UT) in the same conference
with the two Oklahoma schools (OSU and OU)...course I'm kinda biased.

- goober (call it the texhoma conference) smith
From: johndoe@asp.inmet (johndoe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Big 10 and the Rose Bowl
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:40:53 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.

In article <1992Sep15.030852.24707@athena.mit.edu> tater@athena.mit.edu (Mazer Rackham) writes:
>I have an interesting question for you trivia people out there.  How many Big 10
>teams have won the Rose Bowl and what years did they do it?  There is a trivia
>question about it that a group of us have been debating.  We thought there were
>only three, but then we couldn't decide on who.  In other words, we are really
>messed up and would appreciate it if someone straightened us out.  Thanks in
>advance!!!!!

89/1/2-Michigan 22 USC 14
88/1/1-Michigan State 20 USC 17
81/1/1-Michigan 23 Washington 6
74/1/1-Ohio State 42 USC 21
69/1/1-Ohio State 27 USC 16
67/1/1-Purdue 14 USC 13
65/1/1-Michigan 34 Oregon State 7
64/1/1-Illinois 17 Washington 7
62/1/1-Minnesota 21 UCLA 3
59/1/1-Iowa 38 California 12
58/1/1-Ohio State 10 Oregon 7
57/1/1-Iowa 35 Oregon State 19
56/1/2-Michigan State 17 UCLA 14
55/1/1-Ohio State 20 USC 7
54/1/1-Michigan State 28 UCLA 20
52/1/1-Illinois 40 Stanford 7
51/1/1-Michigan 14 California 6
50/1/2-Ohio State 17 California 14
49/1/1-Northwestern 20 California 14
48/1/1-Michigan 49 USC 0
47/1/1-Illinois 45 UCLA 14

1947 was the first year the big 10 and pac were issued automatic berths to
the rose bowl.  Michigan beat Stanford in the first Rose Bowl in 1902, 49-0,
for a big 10 school's only other rose bowl appearance, though i don't know
whether the big 10 was even a conference back then, so i won't include it.

so, the tally is:

21 victories
   by
 7 different big 10 teams

only minnesota, wisconsin, and indiana have never won the rose bowl.
(however, no other big 10 team can match minnesota with national
championships:  they have been voted #1 6 times since 1934.  Only michigan
with 5 championships from 1902 to 1948 comes close.  minnesota won the
undisputed national championship in 1960 despite two losses, including one
to washington in the rose bowl, 17-7.  it was partially due to this that the
polls changed their final vote to be after the new year's day bowls.)

source:  si 1992 sports almanac


>tater@athena.mit.edu

-johndoe
From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: the Medium 10 Conference
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:58:49 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison

Please disregard my last post to this subject.  I obviously can't read...
So what else is new?

I agree with the original poster - the "Medium 10" would probably lose some
of these games on the road (MAC, Gateway, etc...).
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
From: mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: OU - Tech
Date: 4 Sep 92 21:30:31 GMT
Organization: Ramblin' Wrecks from Georgia Tech

dostalik@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Bill Dostalik) wrote:
}
}BTW, what did you think about the inteference call that helped set up Tech's
}lone TD?  I thought the defender was clearly going for the ball when the
}collision ocurred.

I thought that call was fine - the defender can go for the ball, but
cannot try to pass through the receiver to do it.

The non-call of interference on Texas Tech when Oklahoma was driving 
midway through the 2nd was atrocious, however, and a few other 
judgement calls seemed to go the Red Raiders' way early.

-- 
Mark Mitchell           Georgia Tech            mm42@prism.gatech.edu
 "There was such speed in her little body, and such lightness in her
    footfall, it is no wonder her brown study astonishes us all."
From: dmeier@happy.helios.nd.edu (daniel meier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: swc,rice, fake grass
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:20:44 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: University of Notre Dame, Notre Dame

In article <Bu71DF.8L1@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bubba@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Gary Beason) writes:
>In article <1992Sep5.1539.11602@execnet> "al sorhaindo" <al.sorhaindo@execnet.com> writes:
>>Weird Stat of the Week:
>
>>
>>Doesn't grass grow in Texas? 
>
TCU no longer plays on turf.  They went back to natural grass this year.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ssj@ais.org (Stephen S. Johnston)
Subject: Re: Michigan vs. Notre Dame
Organization: UMCC
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 07:23:31 GMT

In article <1685DD778.JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com> JHARTLEY@cmsa.gmr.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.154543.19393@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming) writes:
>>Question:  What was Grbac's pass completion percentage last year?
>
>Ouch.  I don't know if I can type this out.  He was . . . . he was . .
>he attempted 22 passes and completed . . . he completed . . . . . . .
>20 passes without an interception.  (Of course, ND didn't have Ismael
>or he would have completed much fewer.)

And one of those incomplete passes was simply thrown away.  I was 
expecting an intentional grounding call.  Basically, he completed 
all but one of his sincerely attempted passes. 

:)



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