HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang)
Subject: Re: Help! - comforting bitee... 
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:26:43 GMT

My email bounced, so here it is...

I know that quite a few people will assure you that biting is common and will
go away eventually.  Well, it will go away and maybe it's common too, but I
don't think it's acceptable.  It creates heartache for parents, not 
mentioning possible infections if skin breaks.

My daughter was bitten once with small skin breaks.  At the time the teachers
payed a lot of attention on her so she didn't think much about it.  Later on
she would tell me who bit her.  I taught her that if any kid was about to bite
her, she should "push that child away and say loudly 'NO BITING', and call the
teacher for help".  We practiced this couple of times and she appeared happy
with some confidence that she can control the situation.  

Since I knew the biter had a biting history, we talked to the head teacher
and heard about their policy of dealing with this situation.  Her teacher
even guaranteed that this won't happen again.  Since then, my daughter
advanced to the next group and we haven't heard any more such incident, yet.

I don't know talking to the director will help that much.  I think you need to
work with the teacher(s) who are directly responsible with these children.
Often the biting episode happens when the teachers are too busy and the 
children are left unattended.  How did the teachers handle these situation? 
How was the biter and bitee treated?  

If the teachers are really out of means of handling this biter, then find
out if there is a policy of removing the 'uncurable biter' from the school.
I believe that as a parent and paying customer, I have the right to air my
concern about the safety and wellbeing of my own child.  Of course, I am
always willing to work with the school to find an acceptable solution for 
all who are concerned.

In my child's daycare, 1 year old and two year olds are sub-grouped in a large
classroom with partitions.  1 year old stay in one partition, 2 - 2.5 stay in
another and 2.5+ stay in one.  They are segregated but can observe each
other.  When my child got bitten, she was in the middle partition.  A month
later she advanced to the 2.5+ group, and the biter stayed in the middle group.
If your child's daycare has similar arrangement, they may be willing to 
adjust his environment.  It turned out the biter in my child's daycare bit
quite a few other kids too, the other kids all since 'advanced'.

Good luck.

Wen-lin


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From: dld@litwin.com (Deanna Delapasse)
Subject: Re: Is There A Mommy Track for Technical Professionals?
Organization: Litwin Process Automation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:27:33 GMT

I'm very interested in this thread.  As the tired working mom
of a 13 month old, I don't see how I can keep this up in a
couple of years when baby # 2 comes along.  The only women
engineers working part-time were only able to make such an
arrangement after many years of service to the companies.

I'm curious about half-time versus 3 days a week part-time
employment.  The astronomical day-care prices make part-time
unaffordable (you pay full price if you're there at all),
but every other day seems tougher on the Mom.  What do you
think ??

I really like this newsgroup - worth the 2 months it took me
to convince our sysAdm to add it!!

   Deanna Delapasse
	dld@dynsim1.litwin.com

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mlf@nscf.org (Mary Lou Freil)
Subject: Re: "I love Mommy ONLY" problem w/ 3 yo
Organization: National Science Center Foundation
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:52:26 GMT

cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov writes:

>I have a near 3 year old daughter who has been throwing FITS (and I do mean
>FITS) when I take her to child care or when I attempt to put her to bed or
>drive the car, or do anything with her when her mom is available to do the same
>task. This is becoming a problem because my wife ends up putting her to bed,
>taking her to daycare, AND picking her up, etc.

For us and our son it is Dad that he prefers. While I was pregnant with
the second and for a while when she was little we let this continue but
not anymore.
>What we did this morning was let her have her fit, my wife left for work, and I
>waited her fit out. She then got in the car by herself and everything was fine.
>Last night we took her mom to school, she had a fit because she was leaving. I
>waited the fit out, then she got back into her car seat and we spent the
>evening together having fun. But geez, there must be something I can do to
>change this behaviour.

Not really. 
>Anyway, is this behaviour typical?
Yes.
>Does it last long?
So far, several years.
>Anyone have suggestions on how to handle this?
Sounds like you are doing just fine. What we started doing was alternating
the chores. It is mostly a problem with going to bed (my husband and I
work together, therefore commute together, so dropping off at day care is
not a problem). After many months, there is little or no argument most
nights though every night we still have to discuss whos turn it is to
put him to bed. This discussion can start as soon as we pick him up
from school in the evenings. Sometimes even in the morning. The only
problem is that I do things different than Daddy and that sometimes can
set off a crying fit if I refuse to do it Daddy's way. By the way, Daddy
says that he doesn't always do it the way Larry says. He is just using
that as a delay (or anoiance) tactic.
>Am I doing the right thing by waiting the fit out?
Yes
>(I dont think I have any other recourse)
You don't. It does get better in time.

Mary Lou


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        Augusta, Ga.
From: lm3a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Laura McGinnis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: It's a Boy!
Date: 25 Jan 93 08:29:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YfN36Iy00WBOE4Q=U4
	<1993Jan21.200517.6065@dsd.es.com>
Organization: Administrative Computing & Info Services, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 21-Jan-93 in Re: It's a Boy!              
user Kerri South@iguana.dsd.e writes:
>...I like to choose slightly unusual names, or at least not ones
>you'd find in the top-20 names for that year. That way there won't be
>5 little boys or girls with the same name in the class.

A lot of people in this area must feel that way - Mickey is the only
Michael in his class of 24 kids, and I think only one of 2 or 3 in the
school (about 125 kids, 2.5 - 6 years).

We knew we were picking THE name, when we named him Michael, but he's
named for his grandfathers, so at least we had a reason.  His sister is
Margaret Mary, after her grandmothers.  Again, it's a common name
(especially in our VERY Catholic neighborhood), but Mickey picked the
nickname of Margee, so she shouldn't get lost in the crowd.

Laura
From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Head size (was: ultrasound experience)
Date: 26 Jan 1993 10:12:35 -0600
Organization: Delco Electronics Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

jbyrd@chpc.utexas.edu (Jan Byrd) wrote:

> When I started looking around me, I could see that there's definitely a 
> range of head sizes in children (and indeed in adults too), and that my 
> own children were on the somewhat large-headed end of the range, and over 
> time the rest of them sort of "grew into" their head sizes.  It didn't 
> MEAN anything (although a large headed baby is probably somewhat harder 
> to deliver than a small-headed one - sort of like trying to deliver a 
> bowling ball vs a grapefruit :-).  

True. we were wondering as our little one has a large head, though
some of that is visual (born with 4-inch long hair :-)) and some 
reality.

As far as percentiles go head size is in par with weight and height,
all usually at 75-80% (she's getting big!). We asked the pediatrician
for this and she said that couples with large heads tend to have
children with large heads... Since both of her parents are large
headed creatures (!) she said it's normal.

Now that she's almost 5 months old her head is much more proportional
to the rest of the body, i.e around the 50th-60th percentile. But
looking back in the 12-15 babies in the nursery (make that nurseries)
when she was born (we're talking assembly line deliveries) you're
right, babies (and baby heads) come in all kinds of shapes and sizes.

(including a PERFECT Saturday Night Live Conehead baby shown in a
prenatal class video! We actually saw it born, lots of fun)

Spiros
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GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
From: BIOSEE@UKCC.UKY.EDU (Stephanie Edelmann)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: haircut tips for 4-5 month old?
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:55:11 GMT
Organization: University of Kentucky

In article <1jv0ciINNi9i@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
nola@cats.ucsc.edu (Nola Van Vugt) writes:
 
>
>
>In article <199301241934.AA20266@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>>Hi folks,
>>
>>here's another problem in which your wisdom is needed. Is there any
>>easy way to cut the hair of a 4-5 month old?
>>
>no
>>on bed, cut) but the front was challenging beyond belief. We succeeded
>>after she was sedated by formula :-) but I'm sure there's got to be a
>>safer way.
>
>There is--you do it while they're sleeping.  If you're lucky it won't
>take more than 3 or 4 days to get the job done :-)
>nvv
>
>
But make sure you DON'T tell them what you're gonna do as soon as they
are asleep.  My SIL old her daughter when she was about 1 and didn't want
her hair cut that she'd do it when she was asleep.  Well, you can imagine
that the child did NOT go to sleep that night.....
 
Stephanie
From: jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: A few facts about circumcision
Date: 22 Jan 93 10:25:29 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <daved.727560402@convex.convex.com> daved@convex.com (David Dorfman) writes:
->In <30493@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
->
->>In article <24641@alice.att.com> jj@alice.att.com (old curmudgeon) writes:
->
->>->Jeremy, if you have some FACTS to offer, then offer them.
->
->>The FACTS were already offered by the poster who said that she had her
->>son circumcised and heard him screaming all the way down the hall. How
->>many horror stories do you really have to hear??
->
->This is not a fact,

Unless the original poster was lying, then it is a fact that her child
screamed during the circumcision

-> I actually watched my son's circumcision and he did not
->even cry during the actual procedure. He did cry when he was initially 
->tied to the board. He didn't like being restrained.
->
->On January 12th the boston Globe published a study showing that penile 
->cancer was three times more likely to occur in uncircumcised males then 
->circumcised males.

Just as a matter of interest, how many people get penile cancer?

->I have heard a number of unsubstantiated stories of adult males requiring
->circumcision due to recurring urinary tract infections. This is not 
->a fact, nonetheless I would hate to go through that as a concious adult.

No-one would be forcing you to be conscious - you could presumably opt for
an anaesthetic - unlike your child.



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Unauthorised access is a criminal offence under The Computer Misuse Act 1990.
If you are a British Airways employee, disconnect NOW.
From: anvick@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Janet Anvick)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 16:53:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Nail Cutting (was: Re: haircut tips for 4-5 month old?)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA
Newsgroups: misc.kids

I find that after a bath is a good time to cut fingernails and toenails.  The
nails are softer and easier to cut.  Also, Keith seems more relaxed.  Keith
is now 3 yrs old.  But I do remember when he was much younger when I accidently
cut his finger while trimming his nail.  He did not like that!             

A "funny" situation happened recently when I was cutting Keith's hair.  I told
Keith to sit still or else I might accidently cut his ear.  Well, Keith was
sitting still, but I still "pinched" his ear with the scissors. (No blood).
Keith said in a whimper "But Mom, I did sit still".  

Janet Anvick, Cupertino, CA.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (Marcy Thompson)
Subject: Re: Teaching kids to read
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:20:15 GMT

In a recent misc.kids article, Alison J Wyld wrote:

>In article <1993Jan21.222945.6742@digi.lonestar.org> gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo) writes:

>>I'd just like to make a (non-agressive) plug for the approach taken in Waldorf
>>education of not teaching children to read before the age of around seven, 
>>approximately when the child looses his or her baby teeth.  I won't go into
>>the deatails, but in practice it works out very well.  The children learn to
>>read better and they develop a life long love of reading.  By the sixth or
>>seventh grade, typical Waldorf classes are reading adult literature, doing 
>>Shakespeare, etc.
>
>Heavens. I think I'd have _burst_ if I'd had to wait until I was 7 to
>read.  I learned at 4 (I'm not sure how).   I worked out at school
>that their readers were nothing to do with reading, and skimmed them
>to please the teacher, while getting proper books out the library.  I
>was a real book snob too - by age 7 I refused everything that didn't
>say "age 8 plus" on the cover.  Which isn't to say that the Waldorf
>approach isn't a good approach for some kids, I'm sure it is. 

This is my main question about Waldorf education. What do they do with
a child who taught herself to read at 4?

Marcy

-- 

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  SoftQuad (West)			
    marcy@sqwest.wimsey.bc.ca (preferred) or marcy@sq.com
From: howie@yo.ca.boeing.com (howie)
Subject: Learning Sign Language
Organization: BoGART Graphics Development
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:25:41 GMT

Our two girls have memorized the sign language alphabet from a library book 
and are interested in learning more.

Is there a standard vocabulary of signs for words?

Anybody know of good sources for teaching kids (ages 8 and 10) this sort
of thing?


Thanks very much for any assistance.





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				       howie              

				       howie@voodoo.boeing.com
From: janem@hpfcdc.fc.hp.com (Jane Marcus)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:22:39 GMT
Subject: Re: pre-teen sex play
Organization: HP Fort Collins, Co.
Newsgroups: misc.kids

>While I can understand your concern about AIDS and all, I don't
>think this is particularly good advice. The boys in the original
>post were, what, 11 years old? And while you could argue that kids
>are having sex earlier&earlier, I would counter-argue that telling
>an 11 year old boy's mother that you saw him engaged in sexplay with
>one of his male friends would be _A LOT_ more harmful than helpful...

I see your point.  It would be bad for parents to go non-linear about 
this incident, and this could be harmful to the kids.  But if 
it's the case that parents can't deal with their kids sexuality, then
there is every likelihood that a stealthy approach rather than a direct
one would fail.  The parents will very likely ignore a suggestion to 
talk to the kids about sex.  Many people are embarassed to talk about 
sex with their kids.  I think that it is too important that kids get 
the information they need to make wise decisions about sex.  Giving 
information is the parents' job and they are failing their kids if they 
don't do this job; when the kids are experimenting with sex, they are
in danger of their lives if they do not know the facts.  If telling the parent
about the incident is needed to spur her into action, then I think
this should be done.  But certainly an abbridged account of what happened,
rather than a detailed one, would be in order.  

In the case that the parent is very open and communicates well with her 
child on sensitive topics, and you are certain that a stealthy approach 
will definitely achieve the desired effect (ie. that parents talks to kid 
about sex), then I agree this would be better.  But even in this case,
I would follow up with the parents to make sure that they talk to the kid.  
This is a dangerous world and it is irrelevant in my mind that the kids 
were only 11 (or whatever).

Jane Marcus
jane@apollo.hp.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gregory@csri.toronto.edu (Kate Gregory)
Subject: Frozen milk (was Re: nipple confusion (just a short story)
Reply-To: xtkmg@trentu.ca
Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:27:24 GMT

[news problems at Trent mean I have to be my other self for a while;
but please send mail to the real me --kmg]

In article <1jg6ncINNa8q@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> larrabee@cse.ucsc.edu (Tracy Larrabee) writes:
>
> [I deleted the very sensible part about mild nipple confusion
>which caused painful nursing but not refusal, and how Tracy
>fixed it -kmg]
>
>Now that I'm posting, I have another question: should I throw out the
>breast milk in glass bottles I brought home from the hospital and have
>in the freezer?  A lot of it is colostrum, and I think he needs more
>fat now.  It is also in glass bottles, which my doctor says will cause
>it to lose more nutrients than plastic storage.  I don't think I
>really need it because I have plenty more frozen in little bags.  We
>have yet to defrost any yet (we always give Alec what I pumped last
>feeding-- it seems better to give him fresh if we can).
>
First, it *is* much better to give fresh. Fresh has the antibodies
and frozen does not. Second, even frozen doesn't last forever;
six months in a big chest freezer; less if it sat in the fridge
for a while before you decided to freeze it. Since you have lots
and lots, you can afford to get rid of the glass-bottle stuff:
fat and perhaps protein stick to the glass. (In the fridge,
you might also worry that antibodies are sticking to the glass, but 
since they don't survive freezing that's not an issue for you).

I hope you've dated all those plastic bags! If not, start dating
whatever you freeze now. It can be a real pain pumping just an
ounce or two for cereal, and that's a good way to use up the
frozen supplies while making the first solids taste like the
usual liquid. But if you start solids at six months, you're
close to the storage limit for frozen milk, so you need to
check the dates.

Kate
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: yarnot@babbage.csus.edu (Jan Yarnot)
Subject: Re: Girls names - "M"
Organization: Moi?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 01:28:47 GMT

Hey!!  Monica!!!
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                              | and stick together.
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Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: brett@sr.hp.com ()
Subject: Re: RECIPES NEEDED FOR FUSSY EATERS
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 01:27:40 GMT
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.1]

Nancy M. Schnepp (ns@bohr.physics.purdue.edu) wrote:
> I have two fussy eaters, ages 7 and 11.  I am very tired
> of the spaghettios or macaroni and cheese suppers.  

I realize this may sound a bit cold, but is there anything wrong with giving
them what everyone else is having and if they don't want it they go hungry?

I'm not suggesting you give it to them cold for breakfast, they just don't
get any snacks or treats until the next scheduled meal.

Hunger can be a good motivator to eat.  Besides, I doubt any kid in modern
developed country is going to suffer any physical harm from missing a
few dinners (and a kid in a famine area isn't going to be fussy about what
he/she gets to eat).

--

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							(707) 577-4344
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From: sasmlb@mission.unx.sas.com (Maria Moore)
Subject: jogging stroller/bike trailer
Originator: sasmlb@mission.unx.sas.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:51:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


We are interested in a jogger stroller that also doubles as
a trailer that can be pulled behind a mountain bike.  We have
seen them in catalogs in the past but wasn't in the market.
Now that we are interested in buying one, we can't find one
anywhere.

We live in Austin, Texas.  If anyone has a used one that they
are intested in selling, we might be interested.

Maria Moore, sasmlb@unx.sas.com
512-479-6191
From: scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Cute things they say (3 yo)
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:29:49 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

kvick@ccscola.Columbia.NCR.COM (Kim Vick) writes:

>In article <1802@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM> bsmith@stake.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (ROBERT
>SMITH) writes:
>>I was engaged in some rough play with my 3 yo son, Tyler, when he backed
>>against a door and started crying.  "What's the matter," I asked, "Where does
>>it hurt?"  
>>
>>"My _heinie_," he said emphatically, "Kiss it!"
>>
>This is hilarious!!!  Thanks for the laugh!
>

Oooh, so you think that's funny!  We had these very proper English
people over and I was getting the boys into their jamas.  Of course
one of them got up on the coffee table and slid off, scraping his
naked front.  Crying, he said loudly, "Oh, Mama, my weenie hurts!
Kiss it!"  I did.

		--  maggie
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