HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: feminism (was re:something or other else)
Date: 26 Jan 93 04:13:26 GMT

in a masterpiece of oversimplification,
paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) writes:

: you know.  That feminism stuff.  Brownmiller and Steinem and Stein and
: Anthony and so on.  It's like this theory where men control everything
: and so women aren't really free they're just doing what men want.

um, that's not a terribly accurate statement.

"it's like this theory where men control everything"

look around. women are supposed to be thrilled because this year there
are 6 of us in the us senate. half the population, and we command a
whole 6% of the senate. oh, baby. all the major ceo's are male. the
vast majority of heads of state are male. the vast majority of heads
of institutions (colleges, universities, hospitals) are male. men are
in control of most of the power structures in our society.

(and before guys start in with "i'm male and i don't control
anything", please note that men controlling things doesn't mean that
all men have power; it means that the people with power are men, and
they're inclined to maintain the status quo, which means policies that
tend to favor males gaining power.)

"and so women aren't really free"

depends on how you define free. certainly we have more freedom than we
did 20 years ago, when i woman couldn't get a bank loan or a credit
card without having a husband or father co-sign for her. but barriers
do still exist, and those barriers limit the freedom of women to
attain their full potential.

"they're just doing what men want"

again, depends on how you look at it. women in our society tend to end
up being dependent on the goodwill of men to get ahead (or even to get
by). so yeah, a lot of times, women put up with shit and don't say
anything and allow themselves to be exploited in the name of survival.
in a sense, that's "just doing what men want."

gender inequity is a huge problem in our society still... it's just
that things have improved a lot and that makes it easier to not-see
the areas where things could still stand some change...

--
sine | deb
"if you can't fuck it and it doesn't dance, 
 eat it or throw it away." -- pat cadigan
From: rcosby@bcm.tmc.edu (Randy C. Cosby)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: What are the chances??
Date: 28 Jan 1993 18:48:49 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu
Summary: GAAP

In article <1993Jan28.101306.1@happy.colorado.edu>, etbeteille@happy.colorado.edu writes:
> I don't believe in coincidences.
> Here is what it says on the cover
> of the book I am currently studying:
> 
> 	fundament*A*l
>          accounti*NG*
>          principle*S*
>           thirteen*T*h
>           edition
> 
> The capitals are mine. They're just
> to highlight the supposed coincidence.
> 
> etb

You are sooo right... I had Principles one last semester...Jesus
it was a bitch..... or to quote men on film " HATED IT!"

Hope for your sake you have a decent teacher.. if not prepare
for many many hours with writers cramp....

My wife won't let me go to school any more because of that
friggin class!



Coz
From: sokay@cyclone.mitre.org (Stephen J. Okay)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: random friday night nastiness
Date: 27 Jan 93 05:37:25 GMT
Organization: Mitre Corporation, McLean, VA

In article <26JAN199312565116@jane.uh.edu> chem8w@jane.uh.edu (Councilman, David A.) writes:
>>her angry, we should talk it out and i can try to help her understand.
>>the bottom line will still be that i'm going to live in the way i
>>choose, but maybe if i can help her understand why i make the
>>decisions i do, we can avoid this kind of fight in the future.
>> 
>
>Sine,
>
>Sometimes I want to tell you how lovely your soul is, how your maturity
>and insight are of great benefit to all who come in contact with you,
>how your eloquent sincerity lends itself as inspiration to us.
>
>Sometimes I want to scream at you to quit being so goddamn'd LUCID!
>Lose your grip, for chrissake's!  SEE RED and keep seeing it.  THAT's
>the kind of normal human we all know and loathe..

What he said....'cept don't change..
Thou art truly a net goddess
   
---Steve(or maybe its that I still have yet to grow up..)

>Just thought you'd want to know.
>
>David


-- 
---------
sokay@cyclone.mitre.org
		"Your Mind....My Playground" ---me 
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: thought for the picosecond
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 12:10:22 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

Mankind's ability to hope lies at the heart of our sentience. The antelope
looks at what is, while humanity ponders what might be. It is the
fundamental irony that much of human suffering is caused by the sharpened
blade of reality cutting away this web of possibility.

						- k
						(well, at least it's shorter)

-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342
"Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb?"
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-)
Subject: Re: The Anti-Angst
Organization: OFSA
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:48:24 GMT

hjb@netcom.com (H. J. Bae) courteously remarks:

>In article <C1BCBp.400@umassd.edu> pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>>zippety doo da 
>>zippety ay
>>my oh my
>>what a wonderful day
>
>thanks for the idiot song... 
>now, FUCK OFF.

or better yet....die.
-- 
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      - we are all just prisoners here, of our own device....

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Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: singram@eng.auburn.edu (Scott Ingram)
Subject: Re: hermes, please pick up the white clue p
Reply-To: singram@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:57:47 GMT

In article 1jp5q8INNcj8@shelley.u.washington.edu, paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) writes:
>No more smileys!  (Look!  I caught a clue!)
>
>-Hermes

Now just work on the exclamation points.

Orion.
From: 96cat@williams.edu (Hobbes)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: stuff
Date: 23 Jan 1993 03:56:50 GMT
Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigbird.cc.williams.edu

>sls is a really smart guy with the posts I read and all, but he doesn't 
>have the whole picture here.  The hole is actually from DogBowl's fear
>of death.  He thinks he can somehow cheat death by falling in love.  Well,

Au contraire -- he thinks he can cheat love by falling in death... the
whole object is to *die* and falling in love is supposed to do this.

* official demuffinizing post <tm>
From: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Where to Rant? Here.
Summary: Why not write prose here? Indeed, why not?
Date: 23 Jan 93 07:55:00 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, UC Davis
Originator: ez012344@chip.ucdavis.edu

I'd like to post to alt.peeves. I really would.

But I can't. 

It's the name. So . . . wimpy. So . . . tiny.

When I rant, it is not a "peeve". A "peeve" is worthless small-mouthed 
bitching usually about something not worth the time of anyone who is not 
anal-retentive.

Like, "I hate that kind of hairdo." "I hate it when women comedians talk about 
relationships." "I hate it when people have peeves."

When I rant, I am a hurricane with a word processor. I am about the Truth, and 
you'll get nothing less from me.

What I see on alt.angst is the Truth, too.

So until there's an alt.rant, or an alt.gonzo, or alt.shriek, I'll post my 
illogical ravings here.

Anyone object?

Dan


Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: chawla@wam.umd.edu (Jay Paul Chawla)
Subject: Re: being sick
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:16:30 GMT

#include <standard it's-all-fake routine>

In article <86590@ut-emx.uucp> llama@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (sine nomine) writes:
>i'm bitchy as hell, probably because the room spins when i move my
>head too fast

Well, that's to be expected, it's all a joke, reality I mean, it's not
very versatile and it doesn't react very quickly, 1000 lines of C code
on a Commodore 64, if you try to look at too much at once it all
starts to flicker.  So if you were wondering whether there can be
anything more in life than just the same stuff over and over, well no
there can't, that's all there is to it, sorry, maybe the next version
will be better that way.

Besides, we don't like it if you stress the illusions we've made for
you, stick to the standard demos, we're sure we've worked them out
properly.

>and i still feel somewhat as if large people with even
>larger sticks have been beating on me.

See what I mean?  But anyway, it hasn't been debugged very well,
if you do anything strange it might all malfunction or even hang.

>and for some reason, my
>fingertips are going tingly and numb.

See what I mean?

>all of this on top of a cough
>that makes me sound like an asthmatic coal miner with end-stage
>tuberculosis. or kermit during mating season, take your pick.
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

When you get a fever you sing "It isn't easy being green?"  I think
I'll take the coal miner.  But we'll kick the speakers and adjust the
tint if it makes you feel any better.
From: moscoso@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Innocuous Punch)
Subject: Angst death
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 19:39:14 GMT

With all the talk over some individuals here critisizing others for their
lack of angst, or ineptitude for expression, I'm goin to tread dreadfully
close to the shores of angst.  Maybe I'm just standing out on a thin jetty
for an instant.  In any case, bear with me...

	"Things are going well."

There.  I said it.  Let this not deceive you into thinking I've disowned
this group.  I'll always lurk.  However, you may ask why I'm even bringing
up the fact that things are going well.

In less words than usual, I'll say that the above quote carries a lot of
darker connotations.  I'll assume that angst has a long life-span, although
I've noticed in myself and in others the oscillations between severe angst
and recreational angst.  Oooh!  Oooh!  A chart!!

 _________________________________________________
|		 |	   |			  |
|  Severe Angst  |  Angst  |  Recreational Angst  |
|________________|_________|______________________|
|		 |	   |			  |
| what you will  |  life   |  more contemplative  |
|		 |	   |			  |
|________________|_________|______________________|

I would classify severe angst as incorporating those elements surpassing daily
existence (for example, "my car won't start, my fridge is broken, and I've
recently made arms deals with unstable characters.  Everyone's after me."

	Then regular angst (as seen in Table 1.1) is more an inability to
integrate one's daily existence with the curious project we initiate to fit
all sensory data into a neat and (MOST IMPORTANTLY) stable bundle, or paradigm.

Where does my initial quote fit in?  Where, in fact, do I fit in?  Well, let
me continue...  I have an important project due tomorrow.  It may mean beans
to you, so I won't mention it.  But I'm stressing, not angsting.  The more I
consider this difference, the more I can understand why some of us here label
others as not "true" to alt.angst's ""charter""...
	So I'm wary to call some of this stuff angst.  Don't ask me for
lexical references to my view of angst.  I ain't got none.  I'm flying hair-
less, like many of the rest of us.  Oh well.  I'm stressing, for the most
part.

	So my angst is recreational.  I, in a sense, can _afford_ to angst
right now.  It's not trivial, but merely secondary.  If someone comes up to
me now wanting to talk about something happy, I'd probably oblige and find
it in me to participate, even contribute to the festivities.  I can afford
to put off this contemplation.

I'm just explaining myself.  Ask me next week, when I'll probably be angsting.

--
-ivan

OBrelationship-angst:  I did everything I could to try and bump into her
		       "accidentally" this morning, but since that failed,
		       I'm goin to have to bite the bullet and call.  And
		       she won't be amused, but I have to get these feelings
		       of senseless hope off my @#%@ chest.



Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: moscoso@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Innocuous Punch)
Subject: Re: Anyone been shopping lately?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:42:04 GMT

Thad_Engeling@quickmail.natinst.com (Thad Engeling) writes:

>In article <105996@netnews.upenn.edu>, dchong@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Dennis Chong) writes:
>> A LARGE majority of the stores are already overstocked with Valentine's
>> Day supplies, from large crimson hearts to teddy bears with sappy "I Love
>> You" messages on them to chocolates (so you can watch your SO get fat) ad
>> nauseum.

>Ah, yes. Valentines Day. I hate it.
>I guess it would be much more fun if I had an SO.
>Then I could participate in all the sickening rituals.
>But.
>My friend Emily is going to have a party. For singles only.
>We are going to get drunk and be depressed together.

Ah yes, I remember it as if it were yesterday (dream clouds arising...)
	 we shared this enormous chocolate chip cookie, staring through
	 a shopping store window, making cracks at the whole "Chia-" concept.

Well, that was in another age.  Now, of course, I will dawdle in the idea of
Valentinian hate.  Not to say that I'm not in love.  IN fact, I'm deeply in
love.  She possibly knows this, and we still exchange smiles when we meet.
Saw her yesterday, of course.  I'm not sure that angst has brought me to this
situation, but I'd rather share an anonymous yet deep relationship like that
than that 'sex-stuff'...

Of course, i'm full of valentinian shit...  some are better at deluding
themselves than others.

Back to the Mall concept:  yes, they are idiots, aren't they all?  :)
--
-ivan



>And we are going to burn paper hearts.

(nod)...
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: E. Lloyd Olson
Subject: Re: How depressing!
Originator: icsu0237@ming.cs.montana.edu
Reply-To: geo0588@Msu.oscs.montana.edu
Organization: Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 06:01:25 GMT

In article <szikopou.727915002@cunews> szikopou@superior.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos) writes:
>
>alt.angst isn't a secret society.  I felt that you were making jokes
>at the expense of other people's pain and I find no humour in that.  I
>don't think any of the "sincere" posters on this board appreciated it
>either.
>
     I didn't think he was making fun of the group.  He was using humor to
express a genuine desire to share his angst with us.  "curiously inviting",
I thought, was code for "I need to share my pain, and I hope you all will
have me."  Of course, I just started reading this group, so there is a good
chance I'm wrong.

>If you want aggressive discourse...start a board called alt.insults or
>something.
>
     Yeah, I'll post something here soon.  I have recently written four angst-
filled comic vignettes (by "comic", I mean they made me laugh [some months
after the incidents in question].  Most of my friends thought they were either
very funny or very depressing.) which are based loosely upon my life.  I remain,
                                        -Yrs. in Fear & Loathing,
                                            E. Lloyd Olson, Esq.


-- 
+------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
|  E. Lloyd Olson, Esq., Freeholder  |   geo0588@trex.oscs.montana.edu   |
+------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
From: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Erik Radmall)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: I Wish There Was a God
Date: 25 Jan 93 13:43:32 GMT
Reply-To: eradm@wbst845e.xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation

In article 727721721@cunews, szikopou@alfred.carleton.ca (Steven Zikopoulos) writes:
>In <C19EKD.9Cv@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-) writes:
>
>>tullfan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Richard Thompson) wishes:
>
>>>If there were a God, then he would just destroy everything now and get it over
>>>with instead of dragging out this long and cruel joke--surely the joke would
>>>have gotten old by now and God can only get so much entertainment value by
>
>What if there is no cosmic parental figure as in the Jud.-Christ.
>tradition.
>What if we're god? You, me, your neighbour, the carbon in the
>microchips of our computers....?
>A tad pantheistic but.....just wanted to provoke some further thought.
>

I can't see how there is a paternal, anthropomorphic "god" at all. I tossed
that notion a long time ago. I still suffer from existential angst, though.
I mean (and we can all agree on this point here in a.a), the Buddha's First
Noble Truth was that "Life is Suffering." He was apparently able to beat it
with years of ascetic discipline to awaken from the world of angst. I just
don't have that kind of discipline, which would mean that I'm bound to keep
going round and round on the wheel of life and death until I finally get
it right. Heidegger talked about existential dread, and Carl Jung said that
he never had a male patient over 40 whose main problem wasn't fear of death.
What scares the living crap out of me is having to go through countless more
lifetimes, still. I mean, there's got to be a better way. The worst part
of what I know about "awakening" is that you (the individual) basically get
snuffed out. What a carrot, huh?

Maybe if I just go home and recite a few more koans...


---
Erik Radmall -- eradm.wbst845e@xerox.com
From: ccarroll@hdsc-calm.ssc.af.mil (Chris Carroll)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: test
Date: 22 Jan 1993 12:48:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

test (sorry)
From: wolffrnd@starburst.umd.edu (The Wolf Friend)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept
Date: 21 Jan 1993 18:57:21 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Laboratory
NNTP-Posting-Host: starburst.umd.edu

paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) writes:

[All kinds of silly things...]

This is obviously just a joke, people; in fact I wouldn't be a bit surprised
to learn that "Theresa" is actually a guy.

>I guess I could stop posting if that's what everybody wants. :(  But I 
>really would want one question answered:  man or woman?  which should I be?

I think you should become an eggplant; they have no angst at all, although
they can shrivel up from lack of water or get eaten by a woodchuck. :-)
Whoever heard of a purple vegetable with angst? ;-) And at least eggplants
don't post ridiculous things to usenet!

>-Hermes
>TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT  Theresa "Hermes" Bock

Kathleen (Wolffriend)

Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: dsmither@alfred.carleton.ca (Diane Smithers)
Subject: Re: logic confounding people unclear on the concept/about
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:12:57 GMT

In <C17sxw.Kss@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> ssalter@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (-=[SLS]=-) writes:

>paleblue@byron.u.washington.edu (Hermes) replies sweetly:

>>In article <dsmither.727569348@cunews> dsmither@alfred.carleton.ca
>(Diane Smithers) writes angrily:
>>>
>>>Just out of irritated curiosity, why are you bothering to pretend that
>>>you have (wide-eyed like alice in wonderland) 'just happened along
>>>into a big confusing Angst Group that you don't really, um,
>>>understand?'.  
>>
>>honest, I've never read this group before.  But my eyes aren't wide.  I just 
>>have plain old normal eyes.

>Good answer...one point for Hermes.

>>'I don't have any angst; where do I get some?'  
>>
>>I didn't say that, naughty.  :)

>Another good answer, add another point but leave off the smiley next
>time.

>>That
>>>"oppression *thing"? "Patriarchy and *stuff*"? "Being oppressed and
>>>*junk*"?  
>>
>>These are all examples of my dialect.  I don't think they prove anything.

>It proves your dialect and stuff.

>>> Give it a rest.
>>
>>I guess I could stop posting if that's what everybody wants. :(  But I 
>>really would want one question answered:  man or woman?  which should I be?

>Basically, the answer is inside you. What do ya wanna be? You want us
>to make your decision for you and then have you hate us forever?!
>Lawdy, lawdy that will never do. Flip a coin, either side will
>suffice.
>>>- pardon the strong reply, but how annoying. 

>It is your right, Diane, to allow yourself to be annoyed.

>>No, it's cool.  If you feel strongly about something, it's totally all 
>>right to reply strongly.  That's my opinion, IMHO.  :)
>>

>Hmm, a point off there. Perhaps, "shit happens constantly" would have
>served you better, Hermes.

Hmmm ... reality check. I have just posted another angry reply to the
paleblue indecisively-gendered hermes person - I feel torn between
continued annoyance and a realization that perhaps sociology has
sucked what remained of my sense of humor out of me.  Sigh*.   Am I
the only social sciences person out here?  Do the hard sciences remove
abilities to think other than linearly too? I imagine so, but I would
like to hear people's thoughts on that - not you, Hermes ;<  - this is
serious stuff.

Diane S.




Soc/Anth Dept.
Carleton University
Ottawa, Canada
Newsgroups: alt.angst
From: duke@portal.paperboy.osf.org (Duke Robillard)
Subject: At the risk of being a shit again...
Organization: /u1/duke/.organization
Date: 21 Jan 93 12:53:07


Several weeks ago I attacked sine and was crucified for
it.  You'd think I'd have learned something from that,
but no, I'm going to do this anyway

JMC159@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

   [ a lot of stuff about an ongoing high school romance, cluminating in ]

   Now we come to my problem.  I still have a little thing for Adam and I also
   want to see other people.  I am totally turned off by how hard Jason tries and
   he is **VERY** immature. (I can't emphasise that point enough) 

I really think this post should be archived somewhere.  It's a 
Platonic Ideal of it's kind.  It's got everything--a teenie-booper 
tone, a Lets-Just-Be-Friends crisis, names taken from 90210.  And
it's even from psu.edu

I stand in awe.

--
Duke Robillard, DoD #0130, duke@osf.org
From: jethro@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Mary Ellen Paul)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: A Freudian slip overheard
Date: 26 Jan 1993 00:35:37 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.9.13

In article <1993Jan25.053643.17848@dg-rtp.dg.com> rice@dg-rtp.dg.com (Brian 
Rice) writes:
>Spake the person at the next pay phone into the receiver, rather 
>intensely:
>
>     "Let's keep in torch."
>
>And I thought MY life was complicated.
>
>--
>Brian Rice   rice@dg-rtp.dg.com   +1 919 248 6328



You goddam dimwit, this group is for ANGST!

Don't post here unless you have ANGST!

Goddam these ass-holes, posting stuff here that belongs in
alt.buddha.short.fat.guy.  They make me sick.  Then they all gotta
have funny grain-y names like Rice, too.  Hope they all croak.

Don't know why  this newsgroup doesn't have like some arbitrator
or administrator to see that only true Angst gets in.  But then,
where would half you weenies go?  Cuz we all know, only *I* have
true Angst.

So there.

--mary ellen
From: nexus@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Abstractor)
Newsgroups: alt.angst
Subject: Re: right place?
Date: 24 Jan 1993 03:32:27 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

lydia@tarsal.dsg.ti.com writes:


>is this the place you write if your heart has been ripped out, put in a
>vise, squeezed dry & chopped into a million pieces?

Yes and No ... There are lots of people who feed on stuff like that
on this newsgroup (as well as in real life). I don't know whether this
bothers you. But you'll find out if you don't know yet -:)

---

the NEXUS