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From: trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu(Barry Trottier)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Christie saves Bills
Date: 18 Nov 1992 01:24:16 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
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In article <1992Nov17.131645.8779@iscsvax.uni.edu> lyle5741@iscsvax.uni.edu  
writes:
> O.K. so maybe the Dolphins DID lose on Monday night, but at the half they  
were
> clearly the better team.  I agree that the Bills did win the game and I'm not
> saying that they didn't deserve to win, but if the Dolphins can avoid things
> like the 3rd quarter drought they had, they could beat anyone.  What I want  
to
> know is how in hell did Buffalo win?
>         Without their kicker Steve Christie, they're nothing!  Thomas only  
had
> only a little more than 100 yds. tot. off. and NO tD's.  Kelly didn't have a
> good night.  Neither Lofton or Beebe had long catches.  
>         As for the Dolphins, Marino was spectacular 300+ yds. passing with 2
> TD's.  His receivers caught nearly everything.  Higgs kept the running game
> going!

Hold on a second here, I saw the game and sure the receivers were doing their  
jobs in the first half, but in the second half the receivers went down hill  
"big time"!  The interception that Marino threw should be credited to the  
receiver who let it bounce right off his hands into the waiting arms of  
Buffalo.
If the receivers had really "caught nearly everthing", the Dolphins IMHO would  
have had at least one more score, 3 or 7 points.
Plus, the interception gave the Bills an easy 3 points (great Miami D held them  
on the goal line.)
So, if Marino's receivers hadn't "punked out at crunch time", it would have  
been very close, with Miami possibly coming out victorious!

By the way, I could care less about the AFC (except SUPER Elway and the  
Bronco's), so don't think that I am a big Miami fan or anything.

--------------
Go Niners!
Go Elway!

Barry Trottier
e-mail:  trottibw@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu
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From: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu (Jim Jungbauer)
Subject: MNF FINAL
Originator: jjungbau@yoda.eecs.wsu.edu
Organization: Washington State University!
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 05:07:07 GMT


Buffalo 26
Miami   20  F


Jim
Go Vikings, Northstars, Cougars!

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From: richard@smok.demon.co.uk (Richard Clyne)
Subject: Why was 1984 such an amazing year? 
Distribution: world
Organization: Richard Clyne (Home System)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 21:49:59 +0000


In article <g0gqj__@lynx.unm.edu> follick@jemez.eece.unm.edu writes:

>
>In article <1992Nov13.071407.10610@a.cs.okstate.edu> cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu> (COOPER ROBERT BRYA) writes:
>>I was looking thru my almanac the other day, and I noticed that 
>>1984 must have been a good year for vitamins, cause nearly every
>>major NFL record was broken that year.  
>>
>>I wonder why I didn't notice at the time.  Take a look at these:
>>single-season records for receptions, rushing yards, passing yards,
>>and passing touchdowns were set.  And some other guys like Roy Green
>>and Neil Lomax made it into the record books with astounding years.
>>Why was this such a freakishly productive year?  Anybody remember?
>> 
>>
>>Bryan Cooper, cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
>>ps. peace
>
>1984 was the peak year in a long term trend. In 1977 and succeeding years
>a number of rules changes were made to open up the game, and especially
>favored passing offenses. As teams caught on, passing increased rapidly.
>In the early eighties 5 TD's and 380 yds. passing was just another game for
>quarterbacks in high powered passing offenses like Dan Fouts, Kenny Anderson
>and Dan Marino among others. Defense fell behind. (Do you remember
>Air Coryell? how about 48-42 games?) In 1985 the Chicago Bears came up
>with a way to stop this sort of offense. Stack the line and hit the 
>quarterback. frequently.

Before the 1985 Season the NFL came up with ways to stop the offense. They
changed lots of rules to make it easier to defend against the pass. This then
made the 1985 Bears Defense possible. If they had played like that in 1984,
the Bears would have given up lots of penalties, and not been so dominating.
Mind you they would still have been a powerful team.

>The Bears won the Superbowl and teams around the league took notice.
>In 1986 the Giants did the same thing and won the Superbowl. Pretty
>soon everybody was building their defense around hitting the quarterback.
>Quarterbacks fell right and left, scoring and passing stats fell, a power
>running game was again in vogue. The NFL had to try "In the grasp" to
>save the lives of quarterbacks.
>
>I realize that this is something of an oversimplification, but this
>is why 1984 was a banner year in the record books.
>
>
>--
>*Jeremy Follick                                   follick@chama.eece.unm.edu
>*
>*            No one can accuse me of being a fair weather fan,
>*                      I root for the Indians.
>
>
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From: rantalmj@cnsvax.uwec.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: bottom
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:30:25 -0600
Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire

As far as Randall's comments--no big deal, it was only Randall Cunningham, not 
like it a GOOD player who said it.  

Matt Rantala
Eau Claire, Wi
(no sig. required)
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From: minocha@cae.wisc.edu (Punit Minocha)
Subject: Re: Late scores
Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison
Distribution: york
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:17:39 CST

In article <1992Nov22.223320.12877@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes:
>
>I'm stuck in a computer lab- Can anyone post the Dallas at Phoenix score!
>
>Thanks
>Shawn
>



LATE SCORES:

Dallas 16 Phoenix 7  FINAL
San Diego 29 Tampa Bay 13 (or 14) FINAL
San Francisco 20 LA Rams 10 (When I left with 2 minutes remaining)
LA Raiders won over Denver (Not sure what the score was)


Punit
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Subject: Re: Rob the idiot !
From: <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:03:29 EST
Distribution: usa
Organization: Penn State University

No the season won't end tomorrow.  But, that's how you determine current
AFC rank!  Wake up and learn the rankings system of football.  I think we
all know who the real idiot is now!
-Rob
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From: rueb@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Christopher J. Rueb)
Subject: Re: Koontz Computer Predictions Week 12
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:00:27 GMT
Keywords: NFL, Computer Predictions, LA Rams 27 Dallas 23, Woof


>Atlanta        21
>Buffalo        52

>Detroit        10
>Cincinnati     27
   
  .
  .
  . 
 (etc. etc.)

  Here we go again.
  (Does your program predict stock futures like IBM $450 per share??)
From: ables@hal.com (King Ables)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: DALLAS LOSES!!! YES!!!
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:25:35 GMT
Organization: HaL Computer Systems, Inc.

> Is this the upset of the year? Nah... the Cowboys were overrated and I was
> picking the Rams to sneak up on them in this game. 

Hardly the upset of the year.  But the Cowboys aren't overrated this year,
they're good.  But it does show that almost any team really *can* beat almost
any team on any given Sunday.

The Cowboys *definitely* weren't awake on Sunday.  If those two teams played
10 times, the Cowboy's would win 7 or 8, but that's not really the point, 
they played once and the Rams had the character to win it.  The Cowboys need
to learn that's what it takes to win at any given moment, not just talent.

Actually, I'm kinda of glad for another loss, just like I was glad for
the first lost against Philly (although I would have preferred it to not
be by that much!)... it takes the pressure and media hype off for a bit.
The 'boys needed a dose of reality and this was a good time to get it and it
didn't cost much with other NFC Easters losing as well (yeah, I know, 49ers
won, home field advantage, blah, blah... not a big deal at this point).

I think they'll get a good talkin'-to after this one and it'll be good for them.

Sure, 15-1 would have made a nice bookend for our 1-15 season a few years back...
But going even 15-1, not to mention 16-0, in a league like we have now, is
pretty close to impossible, IMHO.  Anyone who starts out the season hoping to
go undefeated (are you listening Miami fans?  ;-)  ) is being unrealistic.  I'd
be VERY satisfied if the Cowboys wound up 13-3.

> The Rams have not played this good since 89'! Everett was perfect,

Exactly, and this is just what it took to beat the Cowboys.  Congrats to the Rams.
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From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagle fan commits suicide (Re: 'Gang Green')
Date: 22 Nov 92 03:27:14 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Nov21.163658.15268@doug.cae.wisc.edu>, chrisc@cae.wisc.edu (Chri
s Carey) writes:
>Didn't they do it in '63 also?  I though they won three in a row, lost one
>year, and then won three in a row again.
>
HMM, an eagles fan Committing suicide, not a bad concept, I think they all
should try it.
  
-- 
MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN
758-0207
MLSA

"I really do appreciate the fact you're sitting here, you're voice sounds so
wonderful but your face don't look too clear so barmaid bring a pitcher,
another round of brew, why don't we get drunk and screw?"- J. Buffett
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: GIANTS blow another one.
Date: 23 Nov 92 19:19:11 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <Nov.23.13.31.28.1992.24320@andromeda.rutgers.edu> dowzycki@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Ken Dowzycki) writes:
>satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes:
>
>
>
>
>NAAA!  Let him stay right at home in the Horrorlands!  But I hear the
>Giants are looking for someone!!!!

No way, dude.  Not when we have Jeff "wide receivers, forward pass??  what
they hell are they??" Horse-settler taking each snap.  Actually, I am
optimistic about the new guy Dave Brown who they picked up in the supplemental
draft this year.  Sam Wyche (Mr. QB Guru himself) seemed to have high regards
for him.  Now if we could only get a coach, a defensive coordinator, some
linebackers, and .. oh, say, a good run-stopper, we'd be all set.

I say take the rest of the season to let either Kent Graham or Dave Brown
develop.

satish nair
go giants


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From: rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu (Ross Smith)
Subject: Re: Eagle fan commits suicide (Re: 'Gang Green')
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:31:07 GMT

martens@carp.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Martens) writes:

>>When was the last time Green Bay was .500?
>>When was the last time Green Bay was a Wild Card?
>>When was the last time Green Bay was the division winner?
>>When was the last time Green Bay was the NFC champion?
>>When was the last time Green Bay was in the Super Bowl?

>>It would seem every season is a screw up for "Da Pack."

>Given that the Packers have done the last two more recently than
>the Eagles, and that the Packers all-time won/lost is higher than
>the Eagles', you don't have a leg to woof on.

>IMHO this thread is getting pretty stupid, and those wanting to
>continue it should take it to e-mail.

   Or at least get thier facts straight...

The last time GB was in the Super Bowl was in 1967, that was also the last
time they were NFC Champion of course.

The Eagles were in the 1980 Super Bowl against the Raiders... NFC 
Champions that year of course also...

in fact the last time GB made a playoff appearance of ANY sort was in 
the '82 strike year. The last time thier record was better than the Eagles
was in '85 (8-8 vs 7-9)

The Eagles won their division in 1988, the last time Green Bay won the
Central was 1972... The Eagles were a wild card in 1990. I guess GB's
'third seed' in the '82 SB tournament might count as something, but
there were no division winners or wild cards of any sort that year, 
just 'seeds'
-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
|rsmith@seq.uncwil.edu           Ross Smith              smith@oscar.udel.edu|
|Go Eagles(we miss you Keith),Flyers,Phillies and 76ers(we miss you Charles)!|
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From: d'mayeur@tier.key.edu
Subject: Learn How to Spell, First (was: BUFFALO Sucks)
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:25:18 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.014720.9376@math.ucla.edu> ashamam@oak.math.ucla.edu  
(Asher Shamam) writes:
> 
> Two things come from Buffallo...steers and queers
> 
> The bills have no horns
> 
	Before you even ATTEMPT to criticize a team, why don't you at  
least learn to SPELL the name of their city correctly?
	At least this way people won't think you are COMPLETELY ignorant.
From: v066pwk9@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRUCE YAEGER)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bills resurgence (followup)
Date: 19 Nov 92 18:48:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <98194@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair) writes...
>Hi,
> 
>I'm not  big follower of the Bills but I have noticed that after their loss
>to Miami earlier this year, they looked like they were on the skids.  The
>Miami loss and the Raider loss could probably be explained by the special
>defenses these teams used to stop Buffalo's offense but even when they played
>the Jets they looked pretty mediocre.   Then, out of nowhere, against Pitt
>they come back loaded with octane.  Ditto for their performance on the Monday
>night game.  Was there a reason for their resurgance??  Did the offense change
>any schemes?  Or was it all just a slump?
> 

I think the slump started in the game against Miami.  The Bills
thought they would just show up and beat the dolphins.  Well that
didn't work.  If Kelly hadn't thrown those interceptions (his elbow
won't be hurt) the game most likely would have been a shootout.
Both offenses were moving the ball well.  This loss carried over
into the raiders.  Bye week, time to work out the problems.
In the games against the jets and the patriots they played un-
emotional football.  The games against pittsburgh and miami, they
played with emotion.  Afterall the game is more mental than physical.
They are not robots to go out on the field and win.  The emotion
has helped them win.  They also needed those wins.  The Bills started
to play down to their competition in their losses like in 1989.

Bruce, a Bills fan.
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From: RLAG10@email.sps.mot.com (Gary Gavlick)
Subject: Re: Phoenix Cardinals Nov 19 ,92
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: Motorola SPS, Analog Automotive
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:53:04 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.194151.22816@sequent.com>, bud@sequent.com (Pat
Hauke) wrote:

> 
> How does WR Ricky Proehl (sp?) fit into the offense? Is he third down, starter
> or what?
> 
> TIA
> bud
> 
> 
> bud                         !
> Pat Hauke		    !
> Sequent Computer Systems    !
> 

  I don't follow the Cardinal's real close (I get too depressed by losses)
but my impression is that Proehl is the #3 WR.  He was starting until
Phoenix acquired Randall "Thrill" Hill from Miami (for the Phoenix #1, 1992
draft choice).  The other starting WR is Ernie "Indiana" Jones.  Both Jones
and Hill have been injured, though Hill will probably play this week, and
so Proehl moved back into the starting line-up.
   
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From: kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: THE REAL MIDSEASON PRO BOWL SELECTIONS-------AFC
Date: 17 Nov 92 19:08:42 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <4058@ceylon.gte.com> chf0@roger.gte.com (Curtis Fennell) writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.183432.3664@ncsu.edu> jimarcey@eos.ncsu.edu (JOEL IAN MARCEY) writes:
>>Buffalo Bills #1
>
>Curt
>--
>Curt "I always pick the Dolphins - even against Buffalo!"  Fennell
>			DOLFAN in New England.             
>'72 Dolphins - The perfect team in the perfect season - 17-0

Tell me, Curt, did you pick the Dolphins last night? Too bad if you did.
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Playoff questions
Keywords: WORSHIPMORANOW
Date: 19 Nov 92 17:58:29 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: .

(Paul D Boxrud) writes:
>I have a few questions for all of you out there.  The following is a 
>HYPOTHETICAL example of a possible playoff picture in the NFC.  Again this is 
>not a prediction (unless of course it turns out to be correct :-)).
>
>                    Dallas    13-3      NFC East winner
>                    Min.      9-7       NFC Central winner
>                    SF        12-4      NFC West winner
>                    NO        11-5      wildcard
>                    Phil      10-6      wildcard
>                    GB :)     9-7       wildcard
>

It would be:
Dallas and SF have byes.
GB @ Minn.
Phil @ NO. 

If Phil wins, they'd play at SanFran the following week and the GB-Min
winner would play at Dallas.

If NO wins, they'd play at Dallas the following week and the GB-Min
winner would play at SanFran.


--J.J.
...WORSHIPMORANOW...
From: kstell@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kevin.l.stell)
Subject: Re: Washington Redskins News - Nov. 16, 1992
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 14:02:28 GMT

In article <27513@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
>
>		    Washington Redskins News 
>		       November 16, 1992
>
> .......
>
>The Redskins could barely block anybody, which means they can't give
>Mark Rypien time enough to throw deep.  They can't convert third
>downs, which means drives that used to result in touchdowns now end
>in field goals.  And so many front-line players continue to suffer
>injuries it's a distinct possibility that the Redskins will continue
>to get worse before they get better.
>

  Now you know how Detroit feels.....


>Joe Jacoby and Earnest Byner were injured in the first quarter - on
>the same play.  Ray Brown, a guard, wounded up playing tackle against
>Pro Bowl end Neil Smith.  Whole chunks of the gameplan go unused
>because Redskins Coach Joe Gibbs dare not call certain plays when
>the people necessary to execute them are standing bandaged like
>mummies on the sidelines.
>
>Gibbs also watched the injury list grow longer.  In addition to 
>Jacoby and Byner who did not return to the game, defense end Fred 
>Stokes and cornerback Sidney Johnson suffered knee injuries, 
>cornerback A.J. Johnson played only because he took a pregame 
>pain-killing injection in a sore knee and linebackers Andre Collins
>and Monte Coleman were again unable to play.
>
>The Redskins were left with a mix-and-match lineup.  Young linebackers
>John Brantley and Tony Barker again got to play.  Rookie defensive 
>end Shane Collins played most of the fourth quarter.  Rookie center
>Matt Elliott stepped into his first real NFL action as the line was
>again shuffled, with McKenzie moving from center to left guard and 
>Ray Brown from left guard to right tackle.  Linebacker Kurt Gouveia
>was limited to pass coverage.
>
>The Redskins entered the game hoping to stop the Chiefs' 6-foot-1, 
>260 pound runningback Christian Okoye and the running game and force
>Krieg into passing situations.  At the half, the Redskins had done
>exactly that, allowing 43 rushing yards, but Krieg burned them for
>275 yards.
>
> .....

One of the strengths of any good team is to be injury free. I think the
best example of this is the Lions..and now the 'Skins, who for years have
been one of the most injury free teams I can recall, have been bit.

One of the reasons I posted this is that I admit to being a Lions fan and I
have to suffer through this year AND I have to put up with the constant
gloating my brother-in-law (season ticket holder) has done about the Skins in
the past.....

Kevin
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From: reams@crchh462.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Cary Reams)
Subject: Re: L.A. Raiders!!!!!!
Reply-To: reams@bnr.ca
Organization: NT/BNR
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 05:21:21 GMT

In article <By172F.30I.2@cs.cmu.edu>, rollins+@cs.cmu.edu (Gene Rollins) writes:
|> 
|> I agree with the comments about Al Davis.  He used to get the job done.
|> Lately he hasn't.  His halfback games are sickening.  Marcus Allen
|> should lead the league in yards from scrimmage.  He has drafted too many
|> pass-rushing defensive ends (yet let Scott Davis retire in his prime), and
|> not enough run stoppers like defensive tackles and middle linebackers. 
|> 
|> Where are the Raider fans?  Count the number of NFL hats in any city and you
does that include Oakland????

|> will see that the Raider hats outpace all other hats put together by
|> a factor of 10.  Go to a Steeler game at Three Rivers and count the
Actually, they are probably outnumbered here by a 3-2 margin. More
generally, Raiders paraphenalia accounts for roughly 37% of sales 
according to NFL Properties. (Dallas is second at about 13%).

|> number of Raider coats.  Raider merchandise has consistently outsold
|> all other teams for many years (the 49ers outsold them one year).
|> 
|> John Madden said that with the Raiders you either want to see them 
|> win or want to see them lose, but you want to see them. .....gene

I'd like to see them....
beat Washington.

-- 
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From: Dave.Alderson@newcastle.ac.uk (D. Alderson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: SETBACK
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:12:02 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU


Can any of the American readers help me with this one. I'm concinved that
some time ago someone told me there was a position in football called setback.
Is this correct? If so, could you give me some information i.e. names of
players, teams that use/d it, is it still being used etc. I'd be grateful
if you could send any reply via e-mail my address is:
Dave.Alderson@uk.ac.newcastle.

Many thanks for your help.

Go Packers - Superbowl '94.
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From: nitin@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Nitin Khanna)
Subject: Re: Kick of the Day (at least)
Organization: Houses of the Holy
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:30:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.030515.6784@netcom.com>, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:
> 
> A moment ago, the Broncos' PK DeLuiso kicked off after a FG.  He 
> immediately raised his arms in triumph.  A moment later the ball
> sailed through the uprights for what amounted to a 75-yard field
> goal.
> 
> I've been watching football for over 20 years now, and I've *never*
> seen a kick like this.  Yes, it was in Mile High Stadium, and I
> believe there's a bit of wind, but -- sheesh.  
> 
> Anyone else ever see anything like this?
> 

Not only have I never seen anything like this (but then
I've only been watching since '89), but the ball
must have gone ten yards beyond the goalposts.  joe theisman
likened it to an 85 yd. field goal.





-- 
Nitin Khanna.  I Teach Eunuchs - I mean Unix.
Go Bulls, Bears, Broncos, Blackhawks.
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