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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:36:38 EST
From: <JCT3@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Auburn's new head coach is............

Actually, hiring Terry Bowden was probably the smartest thing
Auburn could have done.  It gives them an up and coming head coach
who, because of his lack of I-A experience, will have to be given
several years to get his feet under him.  He started the Samford
program from scratch and they've made the playoffs the last three
years, I think.

Let's face it; they were going to have trouble getting a major I-A
coach with the impending probation.  Rumor has it that Dennis Erickson
was interested in the job, but his wife did not want to live waay
out in East Jesus.

Auburn's going to have a rough few years ahead of them, but they
were going to have that anyway.  If they ditch Wayne Hall, they'll
be in for several extra tough years.


Jim Thomas
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: questions
From: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 07:28:12 CST
Reply-To: scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis)
Organization: The McCall Pattern Co., Manhattan, KS, USA
Nntp-Posting-User: scott


In article <42631@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>I am not sure that the fade and the slant are the same. 
>
>The Slant is more like a short post-pattern. Run down the field 5 yds and 
>slant in at 45degs. The QB releases the ball just as the WR is making 
>the cut. 
>
>The Fade is a straight pattern run by the WR (usually against 1-on-1
>coverage). The pass is thrown to a spot a few yds in front of the WR allowing
>him to run under the ball. The pass is not a flat throw but is given a 
>lot of hang-time. 
>
Thanks for the corrections.  But I thought the Fade involved the
receiver to fade/drift towards one sideline or the other sideline?
--
Scott D. Davis <scott@mccall.com>       The McCall Pattern Company
(uucp: ...!widener!depot!mccall!scott)	615 McCall Road
(800)255-2762, in Kansas (913)776-4041  Manhattan, KS 66502, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Best Football Names--I-A or I-AA???
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:21:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.145728.7675@infonode.ingr.com> randall@dap.b29.ingr.com (Randall Shepard) writes:
>In article <1992Dec14.130208.2712@vitro.com>, mzwick@vitro.com (Morris J. Zwick) writes:
>|> In article <1992Dec11.204658.10966@athena.cs.uga.edu> varma@athena.cs.uga.edu
>|> (Pratim Varma) writes:
>|> >In article <seale.724085822@bcserv> seale@bcserv.wustl.edu (Seale (Jeff))
>|> writes:
>|> >>pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>|> >>
>|> >>>A NEW THREAD!!
>|> >>
>|> >>>So far we have the following:
>|> >>
>|> >>>Orlando Hathcett--Marshall
>|> >>
>|> >>>Tank Conner--N. Iowa
>|> >>
>|> >>>Add your favorites to the list, football fans!!
>|> >>
>|> >>Bingo Mancillas--Texas Tech
>|> >>
>|> >>Byron Bam Morris--Texas Tech
>|> >>
>|> >>-Jeff (waitin' 'til next year) Seale
>|> >>
>|> >>>PDunn
>|> >
>|> >Mack Strong  (Fullback at Georgia)
>|> >
>|> 
>|> Ron Reagan, Maryland Safety
>|> 
>Horace Morris, Tennessee Defensive Lineman  (Top that one!)

Let's see, we have a few guys w/ odd names at FSU.

Tyrant Marion - Defensive line (I think)

Tamarick Vanover - Of the schools that tried to recruit him, only FSU could
                   spell his first name right (not even sure if I did)

Marquette Smith - RB(TB) Just thought that Marquette was sorta odd.

Forrest Connoly - OT - Ok, this guy is 6'7" tall and wieghs 340 lbs. People
                  around here like to say that you can't see the trees though
                  the Forrest.

Kevin

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: Patrick E Fleming <pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: MAC preview for the bowls
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:46:34 GMT

MAC Conference Standings
------------------------
after November 21, 1992

                   Conference             Overall
Team               W   L   T    pct.      W   L   T    pct.
-----------------------------------------------------------
xBowling Green     8   0   0   1.000      9   2   0    .818
W. Michigan        6   3   0    .667      7   3   1    .682
Toledo             5   3   0    .625      8   3   0    .727
Akron              5   3   0    .625      7   3   1    .682
Miami              5   3   0    .625      6   4   1    .591
Ball State         5   4   0    .556      5   6   0    .455
C. Michigan        4   5   0    .444      5   6   0    .455
Kent               2   7   0    .222      2   9   0    .182
E. Michigan        1   7   0    .125      1  10   0    .091
Ohio               1   7   0    .125      1  10   0    .091

x - clinched conference championship

Silver Bowl: Bowling Green vs. Nevada
-------------------------------------
Well, the only bowl team from the MAC is Bowling Green who earned the bid to
the inagural Silver Bowl to be played in Las Vegas this evening (on ESPN.)  The
Falcons enter this game with an eight game winning streak after posting their
second consecutive unbeaten record in MAC play.  Their opponent, Nevada,
required a special waiver from the NCAA to participate in the game since they
only posted wins over five Division I-A teams while winning the conference
title in the Big West.  Nevada is making their first bowl appearance in only
thier first year in Division I-A.

My pick, Bowling Green by 10.

     - Pat

- Patrick E. Fleming ----------------------------------------------------------
- Department of Chemistry ----------- Sometimes I see me as an old manatee ----
- Ohio Wesleyan University ---------- Heading south as the waters grow colder -
- pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: ellingrw@infonode.ingr.com (Bob Ellington)
Subject: Re: Sheridan Update
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:10:53 GMT

In article <00964E2F.850C3E80@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU> mchenry@BAEPV2.NCSU.EDU (MCHENRY@BAE.NCSU.EDU) writes:
>In article <1g7csqINN9ac@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, titlow@zephyr.larc.nasa.gov (jay titlow) writes:
>>Morning paper here in Hampton Roads is quoting an article in the 
>>Atlanta Journal-Constitution that Dick Sheridan has been offered
>>a 10-year contract worth $10 million!  That's a lot of cash!
>>I was hoping Sheridan would not pick up and go to Auburn, but I'm
>>not sure now.  The article also mentioned that Sheridan has contacted
>>this year's recruits to let them know he is CONSIDERING the move.
>>Anybody in Raleigh with more info????
>>
>
>
>10-DEC-1992 16:16:00.16
> 
>
>The papers hear have barely mentioned the subject for the past couple
>weeks. The last thing said was on Monday and it was a statement by
>NCSU athletics director Todd Turner stating that Sheriden had said
>he was "content" with NCSU. Otherwise very little has been said on
>this topic.
>
>My guess is that either he is interested and is going to take it or
>he's just letting the NCSU fans and athletics department sweat a
>little bit before he turns it down.
>
>I'm not a big fan of NCSU but I think it would be a big loss for the
>ACC if he leaves.
>
>KRM
>
>
>

According to Auburn AD Mike Lude Auburn has not spoken to Sheridan since
asking NCSU to allow them to speak to him.  Supposedly the source for
the Atlanta article (I didn't see the paper, anyone know for sure?) was
the father of a Senior in High School who is being recruited by NCSU 
and Sheridan.  If this is true, great source guys!

Bob

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Heisman.. what a farce.. Faulk was screwed
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 92 20:29:48 GMT

In article <42496@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>
>All of us have seen what a media-orchestrated circus.. no, make that 
>a one-man circus can do. What is the award about anyway? Best college 
>football player in the country. Then they said best 'offensive' football
>player in the country. ok. And now it goes to who-so-ever is the favorite
>son of a TV "expert" color man. The mediots have *no* clue whatsoever. 
>
>Lets consider the 3 'candidates' they took to NY 
>
>Faulk:  
>
>1600+ yds rushing. Granted, he played in the WAC. But look 
>at what he did in *BIG* games.
>
>        USC: 220 yds
>        UCLA: 148 yds
>        BYU: 299 yds
>        Hawaii: 300 yds
>
>Ok, throw out Hawaii. Bad run defense. Take the other 3 games. Pretty good.
>What was the SDSU record in those 4 games, 2-1-1 [easily should have been
>3-1-0]. And Faulk was the reason they won all those games. Yes, its a team
>sport, but they wouldn't have stood a chance without him.
>
>He missed 2 games at the end, and *still* lead the nation in rushing.
>
>
>Torreta:
>
>Yes, he's got the stats. 3000+ yds. Bunch of TDs. 7 INTs. But what did
>he do in the BIG games.
>
>        PennSt: 80+ yds
>	Syracuse: 300+ yds, 0 TDs, 3 INTs
>        FSU: I don't know, but tell you what, I saw that game and
>             he really stunk up the joint that day. 
>             
>What a joke. This guy ain't the best QB in the country, let alone best
>football player. 
>
>They keep pointing to his 25-1 record. Why are they including last year's
>record? This is not a lifetime achievement award. This year 11-0. They
>say, he just wins. Miami wins bcoz of the DEFENSE, NOT TORRETA. So why
>not hand over the Heisman to their LB Barrow who seemed to make every big play
>in those 3 games [I still can't forget his tackle on a 4th and 1 in the
>PSU game on his own 10 yd line. Speed!].
>
>
>Hearst:
>
>1500+ yds, [thats less than what Faulk got in 2
>fewer games], 21 TDs. What did he do in big games?
>
>        Florida: 40+ yds (60+ yds catches)
>        Miss (or was it MissSt?): 40+ yds
>	GTech: 100+ yds
>
>Not Heisman material. 1500+ yds in the SEC. But mostly against weak SEC teams.
>When it came to producing big against strong SEC teams? naw..
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________________
>| Prashanth                    |                      |
>| U. of California @ San Diego | prash@raman.ucsd.edu |
>#######################################################


You are right! None of these guys deserve the award. It should have been
given to the most dominating player in football, and that was Marvin Jones.
He got screwed by only finishing fourth in the race.

Kevin

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: FSU and Miami
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:28:57 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

	{stuff deleted}
>
>ok, let's take that to a little more extreme...
>
>I believe that the last time the Steelers went to the Superbowl, they
>only had 2 losses, both to Cincinnatti.  Cincinnati only had 2 wins..
>So whats the point?  Cincinnati PROVED without a doubt that Pittsburgh
>could be beaten. 
>
>No one has proven that Miami can be beaten...  Some have come close,
>but they haven't gotten the job done in the end.

ANY team can be beaten on a given day; ask Nebraska.

>
>I would look more at the trends...
>Miami has taken --hmmm what is it?-- 4 out of the last 5.  Tell me,
>which team is better?

College teams are not the same from year to year.  You can't judge whether
Miami is better than FSU this year based on past wins!  Cripes!

>
>I might be persuaded to feel that FSU is the better team, if they had
>like taken the last 2 or 3 from Miami and then lost this year.  You
>can't beat everyone all the time...  But in this case..  no..
>
>In fact, I feel that Nebraska is going to line up rather well with
>FSU.  They have an entire month to teach their DE's to pursue up the
>field, not inward and their LB's to stay at home to pin Ward in the
>pocket.  

Where are they going to find the passing attack to practice against?  The
Big Eight is starting to show a little more imagination on offense (what
with Oklahoma trying to learn to be a passing team), but Nebraska just hasn't
faced the balanced offense that FSU can throw at them.  I'll say this, if
Nebraska can stay with FSU or get an early lead, then they can stay with
their game plan and possibly win.  BUT, if they get behind early and have
to try to pass to catch up, watch out!

>
>you heard it hear first...
>Nebraska 38
>FSU      35

You might be right, but just in case, I think I'll still watch the game! :-)
GO NOLES!!

>
>:-)
>
>cmuck
>
>ps - stats are a by-product of the game, not an accurate predictor of
>     who is better.
From: frank@.lds.loral.com (Ron Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: For people looking for Orange Bowl Tix
Date: 14 Dec 92 19:25:32 GMT
Followup-To: rec.sport.football.college
Organization: Loral Data Systems

In article <1992Dec12.185732.21389@tssi.com>, nolan@tssi.com (Michael
Nolan) wrote:
> 
> The last I had heard, Nebraska had orders for only about 3500 (out of a
> possible 12500) tickets.  You could try calling them to see if they have
> any left on Monday.  (They had to tell the Orange Bowl late Friday how many
> tickets they were going to pay for.)  Of course, this assumes you don't mind
> sitting in with the fans from the winning team.  <grin>
> ---
> Mike Nolan
> nolan@tssi.com

As of December 10th, the limit on getting Orange Bowl tickets through FSU's
Ticket Office was lifted.  You may get as many as you want (I did)!  As for
sitting in with the winning fans, I didn't realize that Nebraska was
selling tickets on the Seminole's side of the field.

                   <He who grins last, grins loudest!!>

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: FSU and Miami
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:07:23 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

In article 21466@mailer.cc.fsu.edu, kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado) writes:
>
>Let's put this all to rest. FSU will _NEVER_ win the MNC as long as Bowden
>is at the helm. It doesn't make a rat's ass worth of difference if we play
>Miami or not. Bowden does not have what it takes to win the "big one" and
>that is all there is to it. So, all you FSU people...SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
>And to everyone else who bitches about Miami, TAMU, Bama, ND.... you too
>should SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! No amount of arguing will settle the issue, so why
>bother wasting so much band width with all this petty bickering. It's either
>going to be Bama or Miami as the MNC, live with it!
>
>Kevin (both a Miami and FSU fan btw)
>


Hey Kevin,

Are you blind as well as STUPID???  Bowden wins ALL the "big ones" except for
Miami!  Wouldn't you call last year's #1 FSU at #3 Michigan a 'big one'?  
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think FSU squeaked that one out.  How about
the famous Clemson game with the "punt-rooskie"?  Another big W I think.  And
FSU's Bowl record under Bowden speaks for his ability to win the 'big ones'.
If you want to hold the record with Miami against Bowden, then name other 
coaches who have done significantly better against Miami lately!  C'mon Kevin,
put down some cold hard facts as to why Bowden can't win the "big one"!  I've
shown evidence that he can and does!

David (I'll never shut up about FSU) Head
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: 11telliott@gallua.gallaudet.edu (Zarathustra)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Organization: Gallaudet University
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 02:02:24 GMT

In article <78297@hydra.gatech.EDU>, mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
> Gotham Bowl, NYC, NY:		12-9-61		Baylor 24, Utah St. 9
> 				12-15-62	Nebraska 36, Miami (FL) 34
Whoa!                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Miami *actually lost to Nebraska in a bowl game!!! Kinda puts a downer on my
utopian ideal of the Miami Hurricanes, eh? ;) ;)
Todd Elliott
11TELLIOTT@GALLUA (Bitnet)
11TELLIOTT@GALLUA.GALLAUDET.EDU (Internet)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Subject: Auburn coach
Reply-To: jonesk@ur.msstate.edu
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:00:34 GMT

So if Terry Bowden is named the new Auburn coach, as reports say,
will he hire his brother, Tommy? Tommy is currently the
Auburn offensive coordinator.

Kay Jones


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rankinc@alden8.alleg.edu (Craig Rankin)
Subject: Re: Heisman Trophy
Keywords: what you do in college
Organization: Allegheny College
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:21:33 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.183253.16854@cbfsb.cb.att.com> jjn@cbjjn.cb.att.com  
(Jeff Nappi) writes:
> In article <hMS=3M#@engin.umich.edu>, chyang@periphrasis.engin.umich.edu  
(Chung Hsiung Yang) writes:
> |> 
> |> In article <101840@netnews.upenn.edu>, satish@a.chem.upenn.edu  
(Satish Nair) writes:
> |> > 
> |> > Hi,
> |> > 
> |> > I'm new to this newsgroup but I am utterly confused and would like  
some
> |> > guidance.  I'd like to know how some like Gino Testever.. I mean
> |> > Toretta could win what is arguably the most coveted award in  
college football?
> |> > Chalk one up for the publicity agents!
> |> > 
> |> > Oh and I pity the pro team that takes Toretta as their "franchise  
QB" in next
> |> > years draft...
> |> > 
> |> > satish nair
> |> > no cool .sig.  
> |> 
> |> 	I hope the pro teams are smarter than to draft Toretta as their
> |> "franchise QB."   They should all be going after Drew Bledsoe of  
Washington
> |> State.  If fact, Bledsoe should be the #1 draft pick in NFL next  
year.
> |> 
> |> 	Go Seahawks!  Beat the N.E. Pats for the #1 draft pick!
> |> 
> |> - Chung Yang
> |> > 
> |> > 
> |> > 
> There was a informal poll done on pro scouts opinion of Gino Toretta,  
most
> did not rank him as a very good prospect in fact he will be lucky to go  
in
> the second round. Some of the comments about him:
> 
> -poor field vision
> -product of a very good system
> -generally throws the ball up for grabs
> -very good receivers on the team tend to bail him out
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Nappi
> Columbus Bell Labs
> jjn@cbjjn.att.com
From: niebuhr@bnlux1.bnl.gov (david niebuhr)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Score of Las Vegas/Silver Bowl
Date: 20 Dec 92 17:00:29 GMT
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973

What was the score between Nevada and Bowling Green in the
Las Vegas/Silver Bowl on Saturday Dec. 19, 1992?  The East
Coast papers didn't have it this morning.

Thanks in advance.

Dave
Go Big Red - Beat FSU

-- 
Dave Niebuhr      Internet: niebuhr@bnl.gov / Bitnet: niebuhr@bnl
Brookhaven National Laboratory Upton, NY 11973  (516)-282-3093
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: rbutera@owlnet.rice.edu (Robert John Butera)
Subject: Re: I-AA Playoff Results
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 05:28:44 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.034602.26133@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>SEMIFINALS                         NAT'L CHAMPIONSHIP GAME @
>                                   HUNTINGTON, WV
>                                   Dec. 19
>                                   12:00 Noon
>Marshall (d. Delaware, 28-7)       (CBS-TV)
                                     ^^^^^^
                                     !!!!!!

Is this the first time one of the "big 3" networks has carried a I-AA
game on national TV?  It seems that in the past I've always seen the
I-AA games on ESPN (who'd probably do a better job than CBS covering
it anyway ...)




-- 
Rob Butera - ECE grad student   Rice University, Houston, TX   rbutera@rice.edu

"I can be bought.  I have no pride.  If they
 paid me enough, I'd work for the Klan."         - Charles Barkley
From: fitch@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: UNI All-Americans
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:10:22 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

For all the Nothern Iowa Alums and fans ...

Both Kenny Shedd and William Freeney were named as AP first team All-Americans
today (third year AP All-American status for Shedd, a UNI first).  Freshman
kicker Scott Obermeier made second team.
From: wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Stanford Cardinal?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 10:46:30 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <yvonne.724204922@well.sf.ca.us> yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
>In <1gbk17INNnsh@agate.berkeley.edu> wft@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Tell) writes:
>
>>It's like the Pope.  :)  
>
>>--WFT
>
>I was expecting better of you, William.
>
>
>I *do* think it would be fun to have a guy dressed in a cardinal's suit as
>mascot, though.  But, hey, that's the kind of woman I am, ya know?

Stanford women have scary fetishes I guess. :-)

I think Stanford should bring back the Indian.   But just about anything
would be an improvement over that stupid tree mascot.  

William F. Tell
UC Berkeley
"We STILL have more Nobel Laureates than you!"

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey)
Subject: Re: Don't Forget--The I-AA Title Game is Live on CBS Saturday
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:52:57 GMT

pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:

>I WANT THE GOODYEAR BLIMP AT MARSHALL STADIUM!!:-)

Well, we *ARE* getting that inflatable Ronald McDonald who can raise his
arm whenever Marshall scores...isn't that good enough? :)

--
Aaron Dickey
New York by choice...New York University by mistake.
kieran@world.std.com
kieran@mindvox.phantom.com

Al Roker is God.
From: bentow@cis.rand.org (Stan Bentow)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: USC should drop the ND series
Date: 17 Dec 92 00:05:13 GMT
Reply-To: bentow@cis.rand.org (Stan Bentow)
Distribution: usa
Organization: RAND, Santa Monica CA

In article <1992Dec16.215348.14016@watson.ibm.com> TJFAN@WATSON.IBM.COM writes:

>I would look this the other way. Say (maybe this is not a good example) for
>example Japan in WWII. They surrendered because continuing the war would have just
>completely destroyed them. Then they got a break to regroup themselves. Today
>they became one of the economic power in the world. 

Blah, Blah, Blah ...

I can't decide whether to write a response to this.  Are you serious or
is this just a major "Anti-Woof"????

Stan
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college