HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Nasir Haniffa <ACDH083%SAUPM00.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: How to convert .000 pictures to .PCX/.TIF ??
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 06:36:07 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us


 Gunther,

 Let me put my understanding about .000 files. .000 files are NOT picture files
. Ratther, they are Geo files .

Any document in any application of Geo creates a .000  or .001 upto .999 files.
These files keeps infomation about the files parameters ( like What application
 created it, what is the name discription.. and so on ) For a Picture file,
It keeps the object infomation about its picture objects.. Not the complete ima
ge as BITs. So if one wants to write a converter from .000 to PCX or anything
anything else, first He has to have ALL the object pictures of Geos including t
he fonts. Or that application must be written for geos to utilize the geos Obje
cts.
In conclusion, It is hard to find such a converter.
As a solution anyway.. Why don't you use the screen capture in geos to cature t
he image put it as a PCX or TIFF files .. But the limittation is one screen
with the windows captured..

I am too one of the developer . waiting for the tool kit to be released...
Take care..
Nasir Haniffa
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: New uploads to mir.eco.utexas.edu
Summary: stuff from AOL
Keywords: big files.
Date: 7 Jan 93 13:01:11 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

A friend of mine snagged two files from AOL, FTP'ed them to me, and I just
sent them up to mir.  They are:

GEOSTNT2.ZIP - "Tips 'n' Tricks 2" file, about 13 pages.  Not too much we
		don't already know, but pretty pictures... ;)

GEOSINFO.ZIP - Geos Info file, 197 pages, with separate index file.  Tons and
		tons of summer-1992 vintage info about Geos, presented in
		Question/Answer format.  I saw several references to features
		which haven't been mentioned here (undocumented ones).

NOTE:  Neither of these files contains _any_ mention whatsoever of the VT100
termcap GeoCrash.  If someone on AOL or at GW (John?) has actually kept up
with the ongoing "diagnosis" of the problem (effectively, strapping the 
software to a table, getting out a cattle prod, and playing the ever-popular
medical game, "does THIS hurt?"), it might be a Good Thing if the appropriate
people were told about this, just in case any of the AOL masses actually get
into using unix and such.  I myself spoke to someone at GeoWorks WAY back
when (nigh unto a year ago), but there seemed to be a language barrier.  (I 
said "running under screen on unix, the change-scroll-region command in the
vt100 emulation makes everything crash" but he _heard_ "i like the carved
bull.  are the chairs rattan?  which way is the nearest American Express
office?  may I buy your handmade jewelry?  i will give you hard currency.")

If someone wants to inform the appropriate people (so as to get it into the
already-monstrous (over a meg, unzipped) GEOS info file) but _doesn't_ really
comprehend what the problem is, I could try to explain it (without any hard
currency, I promise.)

And before anyone points out that I'm setting new personal records for being
incoherent, I've been awake so long that I gave up and shut off the clock
app altogether.  I don't want to know what time it is, I just want to sleep.
Good night.

*thud*

Shag


-- 
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  Operator of ShagNet - Rutgers/NJIN dialup access for Burlington County, NJ
     Happy and informative user of a PPI 14400 FaxModem and GeoWorks Pro
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From: gilem@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:48:43 GMT

Since windows nt and geos are not aimed at anywhere near the same market,
I don't think that the release dates being close is any problem.  What 
I do think is that os/2 2.1 (in beta now) is going to be very tempting
for those who can upgrade their pc's.  On another hand, as of mid december,
geos 2.0 had not entered the official beta program, as I was told on aol.
The non-disclosure agreements should all be in by now, and the beta should
be going out this month (hopefully).  In my opinion, I would guess 4th
quarter 93 before you see 2.0 on the market with significant apps. Of course
I could (hopefully) be wrong.

Mike
gilem@rpi.edu

I have no official connection with geoworks, and therefore all stated is 
either opinion or hearsay.
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: dtaylor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Douglas A Taylor)
Subject: Re: Geoworks 2.0
Reply-To: doug-taylor+@osu.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:40:12 GMT

In article <9301061343.aa26418@pandora.sf.ca.us> <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us> writes:
>I was wondering when version 2.0 would be availible, and what new/updated
>features it will contain. I recently received Geoworks Pro as a Christmas
>gift, and have sent my registration card.
>
>One more thing. When will the SDK be availible?

Umm, we've just spent the last several days discussing this.  Where
were you?

Here is the best information I have, dated from last September.  From
the FAQ:

#Q:  When is PC/GEOS 2.0 going to be launched? 
#
#    According to Brian Dougherty (GW's CEO) at the San Diego Computer 
#    Fair, v2 will enter testing at the end of this month (Sept '92), 
#    and go to beta this Fall.  It sounds like we can expect it to be 
#    released (along with a slew of 3rd-party apps) sometime around 
#    late 1st quarter of '93.
#
#Q:  What new features will it include? 
#
#A: Here's what I've heard.  This info is comes from Brian Dougherty's 
#    talk at the San Diego Computer Fair in mid September '92 and on a 
#    demonstration given to the German GEOS Users' Club in March '92.
#
#    GeoWrite - The new version will have four times the features of 
#    the old version (according to BD), yet will be under 50k.  Some 
#    new features I've heard about include text wrapping around 
#    pictures and improved import & export functions
#
#    GeoComm - Won't be substantially improved, although a separate 
#    comm app will be commercially available.  [I hope they at least 
#    fix the term-emulation bugs and add Zmodem!]
#
#    Geoworks database and spreadsheet applications - The name of the 
#    database is not official, but the working name is GeoBase.  It 
#    will be able to import GeoDex documents and possibly other formats 
#    as well.
#
#    GeoAladdin - I assume that this is a PC/GEOS verison of the 
#    Aladdin navigation program for GEnie.
#
#    DOS task-switching - DOS task-switching capability is built into 
#    v2, but it will not multi-task DOS apps.  BD predicted that 
#    interest in running DOS apps will decline rapidly in the next two 
#    years.
#
#    Novell Netware - Netware code will be in v2, and GW will 
#    eventually not require DOS at all (v2 still does).
#
#    General stuff - more Video drivers, including SVGA and support for 
#    256 colors; color printing; "intelligent" print drivers.
#

-- 
   Doug Taylor                         |   Nothing real can be threatened.
   The Ohio State University           |   Nothing unreal exists.
   doug-taylor+@osu.edu                |            - A Course in Miracles
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From: mtichy@fraser.sfu.ca (Martin Tichy)
Subject: Re: AOL for help (was Re: GEOS and PostScript)
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:00:41 GMT

> Well, which is it?  From your second description I would say that
> Shag is right to be a tad miffed that the only online support costs
> $$.
 
You bet.  You know the free AOL online time you're supposed to get 
with GWE?  Well, it's supposed to be 2 free hours.  
Unfortuately I have bad eyesight or something, I stayed on for 
three hours and was charged $42!  Apparently I didn't read the 
fine print that says Canadians get charged so and so every 
minute, even on the 2 free hours.
 
> Rudy had trying to get us a copy of launchmaker and iconeditor?  If
> I were GeoWorks I would try to get them the widest distribution
> possible instead of rely on the trickle down effect.
 
I agree 100%!
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Geoworks Quickstart - what is it?
Summary: Geez, I feel like the Shell Answer Man tonight. :-?
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 07:18:05 GMT

In article <Jan.6.16.12.15.1993.14026@pilot.njin.net>
birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
[...]
>GeoWorks Pro (list 199.99, street 122.95, club price 117.95)
>GeoWorks Quickstart (list 99.99, street 61.95, club price 58.95)
>
>They only list GeoWorks Quickstart as being on 3.5" disks, for starters.
>It's almost exactly half the price of GeoWorks Pro.  What is it?  Pro with
>Quattro Pro and all the documentation missing?  Or something completely
>different?

I haven't seen it myself (they keep me locked up (hmm... probably smart of
them :-)) but I believe that it's GeoWorks Pro without Quattro Pro SE.

>[I've borrowed all my opinions from John Mitchell, at 11% interest]

Gee, I haven't gotten any checks yet...

John
johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU

P.S.	If you don't know what I mean by what I write in this space in each
	of my posts then seek help immediately.  GeoWorks speaks for
	itself.
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Look and feel (Re: GEOS Press Release)
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 10:54:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.091727.13156@ornl.gov> fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU
(Fred A Dickey) writes:
[...]
>Actually....on the not so serious side of things, GEOS's flexibility in
>that area is one heckuva acheivement over the other OSs out there (IMO). 
>I'm still wondering if this allows a compiled GEOS app to be executed on
>any hardware platform that has a version of GEOS designed for it?  After
>all, the app would be using the same system objects no matter what system
>it would be running on wouldn't it?  Or am I forgetting something and it's
>just too late for my brain to function?

That's the basic idea.  It' truly astounding if you think about it a bit.
:-)  I'm still awed and I work with it everyday.

John
johnm@cory.Berkeley

P.S.	Disclaimer employee apply.  GeoWorks speaks for itself.
From: ted@helios.ucsc.edu (Sync)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: GW version numbering system
Date: 12 Jan 1993 16:02:05 GMT
Organization: UCO/Lick Observatory
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ucsc.edu

I was poking around in some of the files under the \GEOWORKS directory and
came across some interesting info. In the file VERSION.TXT, my copy of
Geos was called 1.2.8.0 while in the file SYSINFO it says the kernal is
version 1.2.8.1. My welcome screen says GEOWORKS PRO. 

I'd like to find out what other people have for verion numbers and how that
compares to the title of the package. E-mail or post. Let me know if anyone
wants a sumary.

				-ted-
----------------------------Univ Calif @ Santa Cruz----------------------------
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H (408)423-2444     |and to walk humbly with your God?" Micah 6:8 (RSV)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Fred A Dickey)
Subject: Re: AOL for help
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 00:47:45 GMT

AOL's cancelation icon will cancel your account as fast as AOL will give
you an account.  First, it'll go through (or at least it used to) a bunch
of PR stuff informing you of anything you might have missed on AOL.  It's
basically just a few text files...only takes a few mintues to reads and
all it does is try to encourage you to stay....it's very polite in the way
it begs too. :-)  

This was something that really surprised me.  On CompuServe it was a real
hassle for me to get my account cancelled.  On AOL, it's just "click" and
you're cancelled.  It might be easier on the other online services now to
cancel...I hope so or I feel sorry for those out there thinking about
cancelling one of the online servcies.

Cancellation of account is the first thing I tested out on AOL.  I went
through all the PR stuff and got as far as the "Click Cancel to cancel
your account" message.  I did that while in my first free month, so if you
don't like what you see, you can cancel while still in your free trial month.

Well, enough about AOL. :)

,^MrSpock^
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Config.Sys FILES line (Re: geos broken)
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:40:00 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

simard@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Donald Simard) writes:

>Thanx. Turned out the problem was the files command. I had mine at
>120. I am surprised that the tech support didn't suggest this.

Hmmm... my FILES are set at 120, and things work pretty well.  Ah, heck, I'll
bump them up. :)

-sh

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Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Re: AOL for help (was Re: GEOS and PostScript)
From: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 7 Jan 1993 11:07:08 GMT
Reply-To: harvey_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <9301062224.AA13617@hpwarga.wal.hp.com>, Michael Williams <mikew@hpwarga.wal.hp.com> writes:
>This argument would be a better one of Version 2 actually appeared
>early; then people would see some benefit to not releasing patches.
>Mid-term interim releases aimed at user-specified deficiencies are often
>better than nothing at all, because it tends to keep people "happy" (as
>long as these doesn't occur too often) in areas that matter the most.

Well, We'll soon see.  I guess If GEOS 2.0 isn't out by the end of 1st quater,
I'll spent the money on my calculator. :-)

Perhaps GEOS 2.0 is all an elaborate hoax being perpetrated bu the Microsoft
public relations devision to keep people from actually complaining about their
products.  Instead we complain about a non-existant product never turning up. 
:-)

Adrian
(I'm in a silly mood, it's early morning.  Please don't take anythin too
seriously. :-) )

| Adrian Harvey       (Harvey_A@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz)|
|             Windows?  Just say NO!               |
From: birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: AOL for help
Date: 5 Jan 93 13:00:12 GMT
Organization: Screaming in Digital, the Queensryche Digest

johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:

>Please bear in mind that GeoWorks is still an pretty small company
>and can only do so much right now.  Anything you see anywhere else are
>mostly people just trying to help out the best they can ...

Sort of like we all do here. :)  Except they have more "good info" than we
do - we're just a bunch of masochistic hackers who crash Geos repeatedly for
kicks.  (I speak for myself... ;)

>Good morning,

Morning?  Quoth the Shag, 'Zzzzz.'

-Shag

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From: WERLING <awerling@nmsu.edu>
Subject: please unsubscribe
Reply-To: <pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us>
Organization: Pandora Systems	
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 02:36:08 GMT
Originator: pcgeos-list@pandora.sf.ca.us

please unsubscribe awerling@nmsu.edu

thank you :)

Andrew Werling on Planet Yip  awerling@nmsu.edu  yip@acca.nmsu.edu
"The only thing that makes life possible is permanent, intolerable
	uncertainty: not knowing what comes next."
		--Faxe, in THE LEFT HAND OF DARKNESS, by Ursula K. Le Guin


Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Fred A Dickey)
Subject: Re: GeoWorks CD-ROM and soundcard manager (?!)
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 08:57:54 GMT

One of my housmates and I have been playing with NuSound...a sound program
for the internal PC speaker and Replay....nusound plays sounds really
nicely over my internal speaker, but only supports the *.wav format
(yuck...we know where that format came from!).  Replay supports voc files
and we got a few megs of Ren & Stimpy vocs but there is a slight
background hiss during playback and the volume is very low. *sigh* 
Someday I do play on getting an actual sound card, but I would like to see
a sound program for Geos that'll support *everything*...even the internal
speaker....my speaker on my Tandy is 3 voice, so it can do something
besides *beep*  The space flight simulator Echelon had a really decent
sound driver that took me by surprise several years ago when it started
spewing pretty decent sounds and music out of my internal speaker.  I also
wouldn't mind being able to configure GEOS to assign sounds to different
system functions so I can make it do really weird things. :-)  Anyone
figure out a way to rip a window in half yet? :-)  Or could we do that
with a window object?

,^MrSpock^

Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: GEOS company song? (Re: GEOS 2.0 release date?)
Organization: Castle Anthrax
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 22:22:04 GMT

In article <Jan.9.02.10.30.1993.23170@pilot.njin.net> birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
>
>CEO:
>	A Zoomer, eh?  What sort of toy is this?
>
>[CEO presses on the screen of the Zoomer, which promptly starts playing Tetris
>at breakneck speed, without falling through his desk.]

Alas and alack, I believe Nintendo has exclusive rights to putting
Tetris on hand-held devices (i.e. the GameBoy).
-- 
Andrew Solovay    

"I is not now, nor has I ever been, a Human Bein'!"
                ---Pogo Possum
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: j1meb@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: Re:  Fun with disk-compression (Re: geos broken)
Reply-To: j1meb@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:11:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.145146.24029@afterlife.ncsc.mil>, simard@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Donald Simard) writes:
>I have ruled out superstore as the culprit. After a lot of effort I
>have narrowed it down to installing an abundance of fonts. At 101
>fonts, geos works well but at 102 it chokes. I don't understand why
>this happens, I have 2 MB of memory and Shag told me he had 120 fonts
>with only 1 MB of memory. However cause and effect are fairly
>conclusive. (Shag was using a later kernel relase than I am though.)
>
>I am going to talk to geos today to try to track down any additional
>info. At least I have a  system running now.

Geoworks quit working on my system(286,drdos 6.0+superstore,640k) when I
added the fonts from the archive(for a grand total of ~170 fonts) until I
boosted the files command in my config.sys to files = 200
Before I did this, I would not make it past the "Loading PC-Geos" screen.
Hope this helps.
Mike

                 |Henry Ford never built a car that needed a fuel pump.
Mike Broich      |Computers don't say "No User Serviceable Parts Inside"
J1MEB@iastate.edu|If you can't raise the bridge, lower the river.
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
From: fadickey@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Fred A Dickey)
Subject: Re: AOL for help
Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 08:53:23 GMT

Shag (birchall@pilot.njin.net) wrote:
: johnm@cory.Berkeley.EDU (John D. Mitchell) writes:
: 
: >Please bear in mind that GeoWorks is still an pretty small company
: >and can only do so much right now.  Anything you see anywhere else are
: >mostly people just trying to help out the best they can ...
: 
: Sort of like we all do here. :)  Except they have more "good info" than we
: do - we're just a bunch of masochistic hackers who crash Geos repeatedly for
: kicks.  (I speak for myself... ;)
: 
: 

Ah....so I'm not the only one who tries to crash GEOS for kicks huh? :-)

Fun on an 8088:

Load up the calculator and enter number really fast for an extended period
of time from both the keyboard and by click on the buttons with the mouse.
GEOS will usually crash in a minute or so when it realizes you're doing
this sort of silliness on an 8088. :-)  

Another thing is to have the load average graph in an icon at the bottom
of my screen and open up about 35 windows of bounce and see how high I can
make the load average go.  Haven't had any crashes from doing that yet. 
Ah well.....when that GEO spreadsheet comes out I'll see how many copies
of it I can load doing various calculations before the cpu says: "Awww
screw it!" :-)

,^MrSpock^
From: mitra@pandora.sf.ca.us (Mitra)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: Pandora and failed mail
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:50:39 GMT
Organization: Pandora Systems
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

I've not been aware of the listserv bouncing messages back to the group.
If it happens again please let me know in email (I dont check the group
every day).   The only way I can think of it happening is if someone's
"vacation" program mailed back to the sending address, unfortuantely I
have no way of telling that from a real post.

- Mitra
From: gnd@idaho.amdahl.com (Greg Darnell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.msdos.pcgeos
Subject: Re: New uploads to mir.eco.utexas.edu
Keywords: big files.
Date: 8 Jan 93 18:02:31 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corp., Rexburg, ID

In article <Jan.8.09.59.53.1993.1558@pilot.njin.net>, birchall@pilot.njin.net (Shag) writes:
> I've received 2 requests for uuencoded copies of these files.  In uuencoded
> form, they are about 260k and 514k respectively.  I'm not particularly a
> uuencoding wizard, and I've lost the address of one of the people who wanted
> them (person in .nl, if you see this :)
> 
> Would it be acceptable for me to post them to this newsgroup?  Just curious,
> since we don't have a full comp.os.pcgeos.* hierarchy yet (we'll need one for
> v2.0, IMO)
> 
> -Shag
> 
Since you were able to FTP them to the utexas site, why not FTP
them to SIMTEL as well?  Then people could FTP them during normal hours,
from one of several sites that mirror SIMTEL worldwide, and at the same
time they would be available by uuencoded email to people without FTP
access via several mail servers.

I think instructions on how to get things to SIMTEL are in the FAQ, if
that's not enough info contact me.  Basically you contact the SIMTEL
archive maintainer, who gives you instructions and an account and
password for FTP.  You upload it to an incoming directory, he processes
it and within a few days it will be publically available.  

If you can't or don't want to do it, I will.  I haven't done much lately
because SIMTEL prefers ZIP compression and I haven't had the time to
take the ARJ files from utexas, uncompress, recompress and FTP again.

Greg
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