From: gt9593a@prism.gatech.EDU (SHAMIM,MUHAMMAD ARIF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Clinton/Gore '92??!!!! Was Re: WhyIsSwineProhibited? Answer.
Date: 13 Oct 92 06:26:51 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <Bw0u9G.HrD@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:
>In article <1992Oct12.145601.27827@sarah.albany.edu> ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:
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>>*  Yasmin Sohrawardy                *                                    *
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>I find it surprising that you at least tacitly support Clinton/Gore. 
>Saturday was the Islamic day of Ohio and guess who asked to be invited and
>actually was? A representative of Clinton/Gore. There were alot of questions
>thrown to him and he was a fast talker just like his boss, Clinton.

And I'm surprised that you will go with Perot splitting the force to oust
George b/w Clinton & Perot allowing George Bush to get re-elected. I believe
not many people are ardent supporter of Clinton, but to expel Bush out of
White H it is necessary - choosing lesser evil.

>
>One of the questions was about the Palestinian issue. He did his diddy about
>supporting the peace process that is going on right now. And how Israel should
>give the peace process a chance and indirect support for Palestinian autonomy.
>
>The usual bullshit. Lied right through his teeth. In a written statement Clinton
>said he would not support the upholding of East Jerusalem as a seperate ethnic
>are for Palestinians. Clinton couched ethnic cleansing, Israeli style, in a morepolitical manner.
>
>On the question of Kashmir the representative was hesitant he said that the US
>is obligate to make a balancing act and should do as much to contain the 
>situation, basically meant that Clinton would keep the status quo in Kashmir.
>I feel sorry for Kashmiri people.

Until Palestinians (Arabs  and Muslims in general) unite, no one will respect
their freedom, needs and rights. Muslims as a nation must unite to solve the
problems of Palestine, Kashmir and now Bosnia. Every one takes care of their
own interests, so should we. We can't expect foreigners to help people that we,
Muslims, call "our people" and "brethern." 
>
>It is true that Pres. Bush bobmbed the hell out of Iraq, but there was oil, tell
>me which President would not have done so? 
>

I am not sure if every president of the US would do that merely to make some
money. As a matter of fact, due to their investments (and income) in Qatar, 
both Bush and Baker (Jim Baker - not confectionary man) had to sign letters of
conflict of interests. The Bush admin. and UK blocked every way leading to
peace negotiation with Iraq. They did not try to open tallks on the Iraqi
withdrawl - they started with open threats of war. There were no peace efforts
by the US neither they allowed any other nation to open negotiations. In fact,
Muslim countries were told by the US not to interfere in the matter. While, only15 days before the Iraqi invasion Bush's ambassador to the Iraq, April Gallaspie who is fluent in Arabic and couldn't have misunderstood Saddam in her meeting with him, told SH that "it is an Arab problem and they should find a solution for it. US will NOT interefere in Arab problems since both Iraq and Kuwait are 
FRIENDS. It was a snarl - an open invitation to Saddam to attack Kuwait. At the
same time, US forces were prepared to reach SA in a matter of hours after
invasion. You think Bush had all the american sattelite over Kuwait and Iraq
turned off that week that they were unable to track Iraqi position. 
ATLANTA-JOURNAL CONSTITUTION, Sunday Sept. 20, 1992 reads:
HEADING: Schwarzkopf swipes at Gulf War 'hawks' - They were pushy,
         General's book says.
..."Gen. Norman Sch. complains that he was pressed by Bush administration 
"hawks" to start a lland offensive against Iraqi forces before he was ready
and BEFORE DIPLLOMATIC EFFORTS WERE EXHAUSTED."
"...Gen. criticized the "John Wayne" mentality that he says lled civilian
officials in Washington to try to advance the date to ground war after Moscow
mounted last-ditech diplomatic effort that WOULD HAVE ENABLED IRAQI PRES. S.H.
TO WITHDRAW HIS FORCES FROM KUWAIT."

For the testimony of April Galllaspie see newspaper from March-July 1992 before
a committee.

>I don't want my taxes raised, especially since I'm on the verge of making mucho
>dinero. I don't want a consistently pro-Israeli, anti-Pakistan foreign policy 
>the way democrats are so expert in implementing. Perot '92. 
P
Do you really believe any Western govt. could be pro-Pakistani?? The relationship of US with Pakistan can be best describe as girlfriend-boy friend relationship- the US can sleep with anyone, at anytime at its own discretion which I believeit has right to do. However, the loans that Pakistan (and other underdeveloped)
receive are spent where the foreign countries want them to spend. Do you consider ban on spare parts' supply to Pakistan as Bush's pro-Pakistan policy?? Or do
you consider total ban on providing military equipment to Pkaistan until the
inspection of nuclear facilities?? Or do you consider US-Indian joint military
exercises in the ocean as a "positive" sign in Pak-US relationship. Do you consider US policy of silence and assurance to Serbs that no military action will be
taken against them for ransacking a new country with muslim majority. Bush is
no friend of Pakistanis or muslims. He is friend of anti-muslims regimes 
controlling muslim countries like Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arab, Kuwait... Clinton
is not the only candidate supporting Israel. Majority of americans want the
assurance of security of Israel - for one reason or another. Politicians 
support Israel becasue Jews support them finacially and cast votes for them
after ensuring the candidate's allegiance to their cause. If Muslims are
serious in living better life in the US, we should not only partcipate in
elections at every level by supporting the candidates who are willing to listen to our needs and want to protect our rights whenever necessaery. 

I WAS PRO-BUSH IN 88, BUT THIS TIME ITS DIFFERENT. Clinton-Gore!!!!
                                                  (Not enthusiatically)


>
>zafar


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