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From: graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Graydon)
Subject: Re: Drachenwald to be kingdom
Organization: M.B. Cormier INC.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 10:17:36 EDT

whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt) writes:

> In article <MOSS.92Aug20094419@ibis.cs.umass.edu> moss@cs.umass.edu writes:
> >Arval> The current plan
> >Arval> calls for Drachenwald to be the 13th kingdom by Pennsic XXII.
> >
> >Mistress Sedalia (East Kingdom Seneschale) seemed happy enough! 
> >
> >Aethelmarc 
> >the northeastern part of the
> >East, which is now seriously considering principality status. Looks as if
> >their might be a lot of king-making in the coming years!
> 
> Not to mention:
> 
> Ealdormere
> Lochac
> 
> 
> Now that this stuff is coming out . . .
> 
> At the West-An Tir War this year, I spent some time talking to Duke
> Siegfried von Hoeflichkeit.  It was his opinon at the time that
> Drachewald would be a kingdom by the end of summer '93, so there's at
> least on Board member that thinks the timing is about right.
> 
> 	--Hal
> 
>         Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
>         Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
> -- 
> Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
> Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
> 510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
> whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare

Um, folks, Ealdormere has less than 250 members.  *long* way
from Kingdom (600 is the lowest the BoD will consider, if I
remember right), and, well, lots of us don't *wan't* to go
kingdom.  We want to foster an understanding of 'feudal' (instead
of 'autocracy') in the Midrealm, instead. :]

Graydon

        Graydon the Curious         /graydon@micor.ocunix.on.ca
  Skraeling Althing, EAldormere, MK / "Nihil est quin obsisti possit"
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From: sussman@socrates.umd.edu (Jeff Sussman)
Subject: Re: Pennsic XXI
Organization: University of Maryland University College
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:04:23 GMT

I thought the weather was terrific.  The weather for the woods battle was
perfect.  Cool, cloudy and almost no rain.  I wouldn't be surprised if the
heat casulaties were much reduced from last year.

For the field and friendship battles there was a little too much sun but it
was still excellent weather.  The other side of the coin for bridge and town
a little drizzle but nice and cool.

It's all in your point of view, I guess.  I seem to focus on what the weather
was like while I was in armor.


From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
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Subject: period song
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 13:41:08

 LE> A common practise here in Nordmark is to sing translations of period
 LE> songs. Especially "In Taberna" (bawdy) and "Ich war ein chind" (lewd),
 LE> from Carmina Burana are very popular. Now I wonder: 
 LE> is this a Bad Thing,
 LE> to translate song from Latin/German/Olde Englishe, to a modern tounge?
 LE>   Herr Peder Klingrode                    | Leif 
     I would say that such translations are fine -- very acceptable. 
 It sounds like you're not "inflicted" with the fantasy-types we tend 
 to get here in the States.  Those are the folks who would rather 
 listen to humourous lyrics sung to a rock-&-roll tune, and find 
 themselves confused when listening to period music.
      It may also be a (small) fault of our performers, in that there 
 seem to be few who even translate.  Even those who know what medieval 
 music sounds like don't always try to use that knowledge.
     Anyway, it sounds like you are blessed with your performers.
           Gwenllian Cwmystwyth ferch Morfudd
              Steppes, Ansteorra

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From: whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
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Subject: Re: Pennsic in brief
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:39:29 GMT
Reply-To: whheydt@PacBell.COM (Wilson Heydt)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA

In article <1992Aug18.205254.15073@watson.ibm.com> mittle@watson.ibm.com (Josh Mittleman) writes:

[My Lady Wife will probably be too shy to comment, but I've getting
bits and pieces from her.  --whh]

>The rest of week alternated among
>dreary rain, dank overcast, bitter-cold nights, and steamy sunshine.  

Bitter cold?  She came home with her virgin wool socks still virgin.
She said she used her very light weight Bard's cloak *once* for
non-cermonial purposes (her own cloak is *much* heavier).  The 'steamy
heat' she would agree with--though apparently those she talked to
didn't consider it all that hot.

>There was a surprising shortage of
>fabric for sale, but I did find the raw silk noil in brilliant colors at $8
>per year (and invested in the next couple pieces of garb).  

I don't think I've ever seen that unit of measure used quite that way.
:-)

Does this means that when making the garb, you'll use $8 worth of in
per year?  (That's either very cheap silk, or you sew very slowly . . .)
:-)

>heralding West Kingdom
>court in Great Court, 

Quite a change from the last time you met Jade . . .  :-)

	--Hal

        Hal Ravn, Province of the Mists, West Kingdom
        Wilson H. Heydt, Jr.,  Albany, CA 94706,  510/524-8321 (home)
-- 
Hal Heydt                    |    "Boycott Time-Warner"
Analyst, Pacific*Bell        |         --J. Danforth Quayle
510-823-5447                 |    "... kill all the lawyers."
whheydt@pbhya.PacBell.COM    |         --William Shakespeare
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From: lecin@pilot.njin.NET ("Matthew J. Lecin")
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Subject: Town Battle at Pennsic
Date: 21 Aug 92 13:03:39 GMT
Organization: The Internet

The inspiration of my wife, Jessa D'Avondale, was to open a tavern in the town
battle.  Baron Seamus O'Carolan and I captured and occupied one of the huts
until the first "hold" where water bearer's were allowed in - at which point
Jessa and an assistant ran in with the cooler full of drinks, chips, pretzels,
etc.  The merriment continued until the Eastern line fell, and we had to flee
the field.

Did anyone see the sign we spiked into the hut wall?

			    ----------------------
			    |    HOUSE  WILMOT   |
			    |   HOSPITALITY HUT  |
			    |                    |
			    | Check your weapons |
			    |     at the door    |
			    |                    |
			    |  Everyone Welcome  |
			    |                    |
			    | This Hut's For You |
			    ----------------------
				      ||
				      ||
				      ||
				      ||
				      ||

Mitchell MacBain, Canton of Marwick, Barony of Settmour Swamp, East

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From: amlsmith@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Re: Authenticity, Atmosphere & SCA
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 03:55:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.135749.5346@panix.com> ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes) writes:
> (and as per my expectations, there were a lot more vidiots this year, as 
>well as some twit taking flash photos at the masked ball) 

Arrrrrrrrrrgh!
I'm glad I wasn't there! (Though I would have liked to have gone to
the big P) When will people stop with the confounded flashes? They
are not really needed!


Bee in my bonnet? Nope, hornet in my hood!  :)

Sebastian
amlsmith@morgan.ucs.mun.ca
From: leeu@stacken.kth.se (Leif Euren)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: period song
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:14:47 GMT
Organization: Stacken Computer Club, Stockholm, Sweden

Amelie d'Anjou writes:
>Hello.  Yes, finding an audience who will listen to things not in
>modern English can be difficult.  ...

A common practise here in Nordmark is to sing translations of period
songs. Especially "In Taberna" (bawdy) and "Ich war ein chind" (lewd),
from Carmina Burana are very popular. Now I wonder: is this a Bad Thing,
to translate song from Latin/German/Olde Englishe, to a modern tounge?

I'd say it's not.  What's still left as period as ever is the tune,
the instruments (well, that's up to the performer, and may also be
discussed, but the human voice is definitely in period), and (most
important) the _meaning_ of the lyrics.

Personally, I've never found translated songs to disrupt the medieval
atmosphere of events, as some filk-songs have done.  The reason, I
think, is that the tune is 'familiar' to you as being genuine
medieval, heard perhaps for the first time on a record or some other
'serious' context.
-- 
  Herr Peder Klingrode                    | Leif Euren    Stockholm, Sweden
  Holmgard, Nordmark, Drachenwald, East   | leeu@alex.stacken.kth.se
From: Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org (Beth Appleton)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
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Subject: Access/Omaha, NE
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:20:30

I have received a request from Lady Juelda of Salisbury/Joy Hanson to 
 see if there is an access in Omaha, Nebraska.  She is currently posting 
 to Rime.Medieval, if that would help anyone.  If you've got it, I'm  
 sure she'd also appreciate a FIDO.Medieval feed as well.  I *think* 
 (but am not sure) that she'd need a BBS she could call into, althoug 
 h a University contact might help out.....
     Gwenllian Cwmystywyth ferch Morfudd
       Beth.Appleton@f4229.n124.z1.fidonet.org

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From: rday@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Robert E Day)
Subject: Re: Who Won the War?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:47:32 GMT

In article <H73RPB1w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca> vincent@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Victor
 W. Wong) writes:
>I'm not kidding about that header, folk  I've been scanning through
>the Pennsic postings, and I can gather that the East won some major
>battles and some kinda Grand Tournament, and that the Midrealm fielded
>some killer archery, but that don't tell me squat about WHO WON THE WAR.

The Pensic Grand Tourney(or Pensic War) was fought over three days.
     The first day had 4 war points(or is that tourney points)
          Archery champions point  the East won this.
          Belted champions point   The East won this.
          Unbelted champions point The East won this.
          The Field Battle         The East won this.

     The Second day had 1  war point,
          The woods battle         The East won this.

     The third day had 4 war points,
          The conclusion of the archrey points which were shot all week.
          (there were 2 archery points) The East won these.
          The town battle          The Middle won this.
          The bridge battle        The Middle won this.

The Pensic Grand Tourney was won by the East by a score of 7 to 2.

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freedom, is to acknowledge that the Gov-  *  Schwartzkatz, Shire Mugmort   *
ernmet was granted the power to infringe  *  Barony Middle Marches,        *
on them, then I am not free. Paul Anderson*  Middle Kingdom                *
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From: ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright)
Subject: Re: Clueless Classes
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 16:35:02 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Vajk writes:

>Any instructor at Pennsic who makes statements about the SE being "too
>blind and pig-headed" to do ANYTHING ought to be restricted from teaching.
>(Caveat:  all of what I say here is IMHO).  

That opinion does not sound very humble, no matter what disclaimer
you attach to it.

>This does not necessarily mean that ONLY the view of the SE should be 
>given, but neither should it be given as a "pig-headed" view.  

But many times the opinions of the scientific establishment
are pigheaded.  This is especially true in areas of political
(government-funded) science such as environmental and cancer
research.  Scientists are just as human as the rest of us and
are just as capable of being influenced by emotions and self-
interest.  When that happens, honest observers should not hesitate
to point it out.  Science works only when scientists are held
accountable to scientific principles of objectivity, not when
they are venerated as demigods who can make no mistakes.

-- Nicholas van Leyden 

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From: ilaine@panix.com (Liz Stokes)
Subject: home again!
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:28:56 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

	well, I've scraped the mud off my person as best I can and it's time
to start in on cleaning my possessions :)  The Rialto party was fun, I enjoyed
meeting everyone. I am beginning to wonder if anyone actually reads my posts
though, or just skips to the .sig :)
	For your information, Ilaine's E-Z pregnancy tests are proceeding
apace, Thora (Mistress Thora!!!!!) has the yarn - official results will be
forthcoming to a Rialto near you.
							-Ilaine

-- 
Liz Stokes         | 	Subduing evil by dancing on a dwarf,
Ilaine de Cameron  | 	Nataraja, the lord of Dance, 
                   | 	bestows grace on the world.
ilaine@panix.com   | 
From: Dave.Aronson@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Aronson)
Sender: Uucp@blkcat.UUCP
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Subject: SCA in Roanoke
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:12:28 -0500

Greetings, good gentles.  I will probably be spending a few months in the
Roanoke, Virginia area soon, and will most likely have lots of free time on my
hands.

Two matters arise from this:

1) Who should I contact re SCA activities around Roanoke?  (And what DO you call
it anyway?)

2) The free time will be a new and, I hope, lasting thing for me.  Therefore I
will probably finally become a paying Member of the Society.  (For my first two
years of SCA involvement, I had the time for events but not enough spare money
for membership; for the past ten, I have had the money but no time for events
other than Pennsic, so I did not consider it worthwhile.)  Where can I get
forms, information, etc. on actually joining?
   ________
   \  /\  /    Yours in Service to the Dreame,
 ___\/__\/___
 \  /\  /\  /
  \/__\/__\/
   \  /\  /    Simon of the Beautiful Waters / Simon des Beaux Eaux
    \/  \/     Ponte Alto, Atlantia

PS: Any of y'all already down there?

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From: lecin@pilot.njin.NET ("Matthew J. Lecin")
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Pennsic Weather (was Re: Pennsic in brief)
Date: 21 Aug 92 12:47:09 GMT
Organization: The Internet

Monica Cellio <mjc+@cs.cmu.edu> writes:

    >For the benefit of those who may be drawing general conclusions
    >about Pennsic weather, I'd like to point out that this year was
    >unusually cool and dry for the area at that time of year.  (By dry
    >I mean generally non-humid; we got the usual amount of rain, but
    >it wasn't miserable between storms like it often is.)  

    >Our whole summer has been cooler than usual; I don't know what's
    >going on, but I'm not complaining. 

Something to do with Mount Pinitubo in the Phillipines exploding last year, no?
Same thing that ruined the rattan crop has caused a cool summer.  I expect more
snow this winter than we've had for the last few years, but I *like* snow.

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From: vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Arrows (was Authenticity, A
Date: 18 Aug 92 21:31:43 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <archer.344@utkux1.utk.edu> archer@utkux1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
)>Could someone please tell me what exactly a "golf tube" is and how it is 
)>connected to combat archery?
 
)Ok!  These are a lot easier to make than Markland Blunts.
 
)Disadvantages:  Inaccurate.  Can't hit the broad side of a barn outside of 
)10 yards.  (IMHO)
)Light:  Vulnerable to the least gust of wind.

	With three of them hastily made, and 15 minutes practice with my
new 50# bow I could hit a slightly less than man-width lightpost at 30 yards
about 50% of the time.  They are less accurate and slightly shorter ranged
than Markland blunts, but not nearly as bad as some people like to claim
that they are.

	With lofting I was getting 50-70 yards travel out of them with
the same bow at something less than 28 inches of draw (since my arms aren't
that long.  I actually draw about 26 inches.)

)Look damn silly.
 
Kwellend-Njal
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From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Pennsic Land Allotment
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 14:46:07 GMT

Greetings to the Rialto from Corun MacAnndra

Mikjal and Tibor both write praise for the land allotment at Pennsic this
year. While I will agree that the basic premise put forth by Johann was
valid and solid, there was one major flaw that bears mentioning so that any
future Landocrats don't become Landscapegoats.

The flaw I mention is in the use of a two dimensional topographical map
that led to several misunderstandings of the actual lay of the land. Thus,
many people had land taken away from them, and others simply did not have
the land they expected due to rolling hills and access roads being forgotten.
The Queen of the Mid was, I understand, rather upset when she lost twenty
feet for the entire length of her camp due to an access road not being
considered. This kind of oversight led many to be extremely upset with Johann
and his staff. Still in all, his idea for getting camp size information in
many months before Pennsic so as to divvy up the land early is a good one,
and should be considered by those who volunteer for the job in the future.

If you of the Rialto have ideas as to how best to accomplish this onerous and
odious task, either post your suggestions here, or better yet, come to the
Pennsic Planning Comittee meetings. There are four held thoughout the year
at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, and this year the fourth was
held at Cooper's Lake. The Landocrats this year (yes, there are two of them)
are Finn of the midrealm (I don't know him and so don't know his entire name)
and Viscount Viscount Viscount Viscount Sir Sir Master Master Edward, known
affectionately as Fast Eddie. I don't know if Finn (or is it spelled Fion)
has done this job before, but I know Eddie has and will therefore bring much
experience with him. The best thing about this team is the fact the one is
from the Middle and one is from the East. There will be few folk indeed who
will be able to accuse anyone of favouritism.

I have said this before, and it bears saying again. Pennsic has grown beyond
the bounds of a Midrealm/Eastrealm event. It is a Society wide event now.
Though Gavin's procnostications for 10,000 people were not realized this year,
and I don't expect they will be for a few years yet, we must prepare for the
eventuality that Pennsic XXV, the Silver Anniversary, may very well get that
large. I belive that people will save up their vacation time and money for
that event, and we will probably not go much beyond the 8200+ we saw this
year until then. Be forwarned. The Cooper's have been most gracious as hosts
these past eighteen years, but their land, and even their patience has limits.
There may come a time when a ceiling will be imposed on the number of people
allowed to attend Pennsic. I urge you to consider alternatives to the land
situation at Pennsic and give of your ideas freely. It is our most prime
consideration.

In Service,

Corun
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Chivalric Ideals
Date: 14 Aug 92 06:46:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.713887374.F00003

GG>  From: griff@anvil.intel.com (Griff Griffith)
GG>
GG>  Greetings -
GG>
GG>     I recently posted a query about the "Nine Worthies".  These
GG>  were men of note in the medieval world.  I received a very nice
GG>  response naming those individuals (Thanks again gretchen! :-) Now,
GG>  the gentle who is checking this out would like to know: of these
GG>  "Nine Worthies", it was believed that these men personafied the
GG>  nine chivalric attributes.  Ie. "Honor", "Faith", etc.  Does anyone
GG>  know (or have read) what are the Nine Attributes?  How do these
GG>  "match up" with the Nine Worthies?  And yes, I'll post the info
GG>  gretchen gave me if needed.
GG>
GG>                             -Cyrus

Yes! Yes! Please post this. This sort of thing is important to understanding 
the period mindset.

(If you don't, at least send me an email copy! trifid@agora.rain.com )

Moreach
From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.therose.pdx.com (Suze Hammond)
Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
Subject: Re: Instructions for ancient kilt - feileadh mor
Date: 15 Aug 92 14:45:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: therose.714000653.F00001

RM>  From: rm4@st-andrews.ac.uk (Rosa Michaelson)
RM>  Newsgroups: rec.org.sca
RM>
RM>  Also the Scottish National Portrait Gallery has many great pictures
[etc...]

Please check the dates on the portraits. Most of them are out of period, 
usually by a couple of centuries. Just because it's a great kilt, that 
doesn't automatically make it inside period.

Part of the problems of re-creating Scots clothing is that there is nowhere 
nearly as much good evidence as for, say, Florentine clothing of the same 
era...

Moreach

trifid@agora.rain.com 
 
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From: bnostran@ds5000.dac.northeastern.EDU (Solveig Throndardottir)
Subject: Looking for Pennsic XXII A&S Autocrat
Organization: The Internet
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:45:45 GMT

Gentles!

I wish to contact the A&S autocrat for Pennsic XXII (yes that is next year
and not the one which just ended.)  Several weeks ago someone suggested that
I do a rather ambitious A&S project at Pennsic XXII and it requires a small
amount of advance planning.  Thankyou.

						Your Humble Servant
						Solveig Throndardottir
						Totally Ignorant
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From: bookworm@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Marshall)
Subject: Riders to Crown
Reply-To: bookworm@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:27:11 GMT


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