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From: elwin@ai.mit.edu (Lee Campbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: I'll get you, Luke Skywalker, and your little droid too!
Date: 15 Apr 92 23:10:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: life.23380
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory

In article <1992Apr15.205512.18391@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu>, commgrp@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (BACS Data Communications Group) writes:
> 
>    I don't suggest that _Star Wars_ ripped off the plot of _The Wizard 
> of Oz_, but can't help noticing certain parallels (JUST FOR FUN!):
> 
>    Tatooine doesn't _look_ like Kansas, what with Munchkins (Jawas) 
	{stuff deleted}
>    Good witch Princess Leia initiates Luke's quest, where he's 
	{more stuff deleted}
>    Darth Vader is the wicked witch, complete with broomstick (tie 
	{still more stuff deleted}
>    There, now--  Aren't you glad you have an excuse to watch _Star 
> Wars_ again?

   Well, I admit there are parallels, but all "Quest" stories have
parallels. With a little more work, you could draw the parallels
between 'Star Wars' or 'Wizard of Oz' and 'The Lord of the Rings' or
'Don Quixote,' or maybe even 'The Odessey' (stretching it alot, I know).
My point is that the theme of the "Quest" is as old as storytelling, and
it strikes a chord in all human hearts, and it is pointless to belittle
it for lack of originality.

   Never the less, I read somewhere that *one* of Lucas's inspirations
for 'Star Wars' was a Kurasawa movie called 'The Hidden Fortress.' In
this Japanese epic, a lord has been defeated, his empire overrun, but
his daughter the princess is still free. Some samurai and retainers are
trying to bring her back across a hostile land to another lord's domain
where she will be safe. If it is true that 'The Hidden Fortress' was an
inspiration for 'Star Wars' than all Lucas borrowed was the idea of a
princess, loyal retainers, and a hostile land. If Lucas borrowed from
Kurasawa than he is in good company: the plots for the horse operas
'The Magnificent Seven' and 'Fistful of Dollars' were lifted directly
from Kurasawa's 'Yojimbo' and 'Seven Samurai.'

> Frank     reid@ucs.indiana.edu
> 
>    STAR WAR backwards is RAW RATS.

STAR WARS spelled sideways is ARS WARTS, but who really cares?

			Lee Campbell  <elwin@ai.mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: Excuse me for my ignorance...(SWRPG)
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 18:51:57 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.180041.26302@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
ggg9y@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Garth G. Groff) writes: 
|RE: TK421 Trivia
|
|I seem to remember that somewhere in the first SW, one of the Imperials
|was called THX1138.  Does anyone remember this?  THX1138 was, of course, 
|the name of Lucas' first sci-fi film, as well as the hero's name.  Was
|it a young Robert Duvall?

The only reference to 1138 I remember in SW was when Han and Luke and Chewy go
to get the princess and Luke says "prisoner transfer from cellblock 1138". The
imperial guy in charge says "I wasn't notified, I'll have to clear it".  Chewy
shoots a camera or something and Han says "Watch out, he's loose!" and watch
the fun begin....

|--Haridas

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ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu						andy
From: v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Many things.
Date: 16 Apr 92 20:41:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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In article <1992Apr16.192921.22035@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons) writes...
> 
>1) There were only two scenes shot for A New Hope which were not 
>included. Only two, folks. No others.
 Sorry about that. I was just thinking about Biggs scenes.
The Jabba scene in Mos Eisley was filmed. It appears on the show,
later made into a videocassette, _From Star Wars to Jedi: The 
Making of A Saga_, narrated by Mark.
The scene appears in the novel, the script, and the comic book 
(Where, incidentally, Jabba looks like the walrus-looking guy
in some of the Mos Eisley corridor scenes (No, not Walrus Man...
someone else. He's wearing a red jumpsuit and appears after Luke 
sells the speeder, if you're looking.)). A rather portly man
dressed in fur, along with a Greedo and some other thugs (the 
storyboard called for Salacious Crumb to be in the scene as well)
appear at D.B. 94 looking for Solo. They threaten him, and Solo 
says he'll pay Jabba in a few days, as he just got a new cargo.
Incidentally, The man was just there for placing. The large 
lizard-looking creature that was to be Jabba was to be matted in
during post-production. The tape's available in most record stores,
if anyone's looking for it.
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From: ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (ronald reagan)
Subject: Keeping up with the Lars'
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 04:18:47 GMT

Before this newsgroup began there was some debate on rec.arts.sf.movies as to
how "Uncle" Owen and "Aunt" Beru were related to Luke...I don't know if this
was suggested or not, but, it seems entirely likely that Beru could've been
Annakin's sister...So, then she gets married to this Owen Lars loser and
changes her surname (remember, this IS a long time ago!)...

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ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu						andy

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From: BACS Data Communications Group <commgrp@silver.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: I'll get you, Luke Skywalker, and your little droid too!
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 20:55:12 GMT

   I don't suggest that _Star Wars_ ripped off the plot of _The Wizard 
of Oz_, but can't help noticing certain parallels (JUST FOR FUN!):

   Tatooine doesn't _look_ like Kansas, what with Munchkins (Jawas) 
and other exotic creatures about, but Luke (Dorothy) Skywalker 
considers it ultimately mundane as he slaves on Uncle Owen's rock farm 
and dreams of the far-off Space Academy before a whirlwind of events 
carries him away.  (Try singing "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" to the 
tune of Luke Skywalker's theme as he watches the double sunset.)

   Good witch Princess Leia initiates Luke's quest, where he's 
accompanied by a freshly-oiled tin man and a shaggy critter (with 
brave and cowardly personalities reversed).  Han Solo could be 
the Scarecrow, although Luke is the one who goes to see the 
Wizard (Obi-Wan Kenobi) in search of a brain.  R2D2 is Toto, but 
he, not Dorothy, is the bearer of the Ruby Slippers (Deathstar 
plans).

   Darth Vader is the wicked witch, complete with broomstick (tie 
fighter), castle (Deathstar) and an army of winged monkeys (storm 
troopers).  Our heroes penetrate the Deathstar in Oz style, by 
knocking off a couple of palace guards and stealing their uniforms.
Vader is defeated but not eliminated because they need him for 
sequels.

   Unlike The Great Oz, Obi-Wan Kenobi fights the bad guys 
directly.  He departs before the end, having helped the others 
discover their latent virtues.

   There, now--  Aren't you glad you have an excuse to watch _Star 
Wars_ again?

--

Frank     reid@ucs.indiana.edu

   STAR WAR backwards is RAW RATS.
From: v118pyhm@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (BRIAN FABIO)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Correction: falcon gifs
Date: 17 Apr 92 05:15:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
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I posted earlier about an ftp site for Star Wars gifs, but made an error.
That's supposed to be vab02.larc.nasa.gov, instead of vab20.
Sorry about the error.
				-Brian
				v118pyhm@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Cut-scene 2
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:31:06 GMT
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network, FUNET

In article <92107.140827JJF112@psuvm.psu.edu> JJF112@psuvm.psu.edu (John Frank) writes:
>
>    With all this talk about the cut scene with Luke, I figured I would add
> another cut scene. I remember seeing a special on Star Wars or the series as
> a whole, and in it, they spoke about Jabba. Apparently, in Star Wars, there
> was a scene where Luke and Han (and others?) met Jabba at some port. I
> remember they showed a crude scene of this, and you saw Jabba. Interestingly
>enough, Jabba was not that big brown thing, but in fact was a very fat
>human-looking creature. Does anyone else remember this?
>
I didn't see this on movie, but it is in the comic book (at least the
version released in Finland). There Jabba is a quite tall green bit
monkey-looking thing - he talks with Han about the cargo Han dropped
out of Falcon when he was trying to escape from Empire spaceships.

BTW, this is Great newsgroup! May the force be with this newsgroup's starter!

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From: MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Cut-scene 2
Date: 17 Apr 92 15:44:46 GMT
 <92107.144117EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Apr17.070910.4489@tc.cornell.edu>
 <92108.093721EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <92108.093721EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>, BIG ED <EMW107@psuvm.psu.edu>
says:
>
>In article <1992Apr17.070910.4489@tc.cornell.edu>,
>chris@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu
>(Chris Wolf) says:
>>
>>I don't know if the scene was even ever filmed but I believe originally
>>a scene where some of the Wampa's got into the rebel base and mauled
>>some Taun-Taun's was planned.  Artoo was supposed to save the day by
>>broadcasting some high-frequency noise or somesuch which either drove
>>the creatures away or lured them into a trap.  I have no idea where I
>>got this information from though...
>>
>
>    I also remember hearing about that too. I can't remember if it was because
>of the storybook, or it was in the trading cards somewhere along the way. Any
> one else remember anything about R2 and the Wampas?
>
Come to think of it, I do recall *reading* a scene where R2 does something to a
Wampa that breaks through part of a wall. Whether it was using high-frequency
noise or some sort of wampa-cide I don't know. I also seem to recall reading
a scene where the probe droid takes out one of the sentry posts. I think most
of these recollections come from the comics or novelization.

      Brian                                     /|     |\
      Penn State                               (_|_/:\_|_)
      mac139@psuvm.psu.edu                       /_|-|_\
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Date: Thursday, 16 Apr 1992 00:42:23 EDT
From: <MAC139@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Slave I model

I would *desperately* like to get my hands on a Slave I model (Boba Fett's
ship). I know they made them back when Empire came out but they have dis-
appeared. Recently MPC or whichever model company it is re-released all of the
old models EXCEPT Slave I. I really would appreciate it if you have any info
to e-mail on the subject. Also, I'm looking for two of them if possible.
Thanks,

--Brian
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From: davies@owlnet.rice.edu (Stephen Clark Davies)
Subject: Re: TRIVIA
Organization: Rice University
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 17:39:01 GMT

In article <+9!vy-j@rpi.edu> cleggp@aix.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg) writes:
>
>Not necessarily.  You don't know what the context of the question was.  "The
>Kessel Run" is most likely a shipping route, one which may be relatively
>clouded with debris.  Thus, the quality of the pilot may be rated by how
>short a distance he makes it in (the shorter the distance, the more direct
>the route, the more dangerous it is through the debris/obstacles).
>
	I don't buy that one, especially since the conversation in question
was in reference to the Falcon's *speed* ("she's fast enough for ya, old
man...") and not its maneuverability, or the pilot's skills.  To me, a better
explanation is simply that a "parsec" in the Star Wars world has no relation
to *our* parsec on earth, just as they have different money systems, different
languages, etc. why shouldn't they have different physical units?

	By the way, how in the heck could you fly the Millenium Falcon when
the cockpit is *way* over to the right of the ship?!?!  I never did figure
that one out.  I think I would constantly be bumping landing docks / ships /
asteroids against the left side of the ship if I flew it!

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From: kihlstro@ei.ecn.purdue.edu (Merlin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Keeping up with the Lars'
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:16:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: noose.1992Apr16.151653.9833
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Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr16.080208.11448@CS.ORST.EDU> vaughnl@nyssa.CS.ORST.EDU (Luke Vaughn) writes:
>In article <1992Apr16.050515.6512@athena.mit.edu> bike@athena.mit.edu (Michael Y Fan) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr16.041847.23213@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> ahawks@isis.cs.du.edu (ronald reagan) writes:
>>>Before this newsgroup began there was some debate on rec.arts.sf.movies as to
>>>how "Uncle" Owen and "Aunt" Beru were related to Luke...I don't know if this
>>>was suggested or not, but, it seems entirely likely that Beru could've been
>>>Annakin's sister...So, then she gets married to this Owen Lars loser and
>>>changes her surname (remember, this IS a long time ago!)...
>>>
>>
>>It seems more likely to me that Luke isn't really related to them.  That's
>>why Obi-Wan hid Luke with them.  If hw had given Luke to a real aunt or
>>uncle, don't you think Darth Vader would have found him pretty easily?
>>It does eem strange that Obi-Wan never changed Luke's name from "Skywalker",
>>however. Oh Well.
>>
>>					Mike Fan
>
>If I remeber correctly Ben said that either Owen or Beru was a sibling(can't
>remember which).  Would make sense, as to why they would take him in and 
>why Owen thought "Ben Kenobi was a damned fool" or some such.
>

owen lars was a moisture farmer from the planet Tatooine.  Luke believed
that he was his nature uncle.  Owen was in fact the brother of Ben
Kenobi.

this info is from "A guide to teh star wars universe" by Raymond L.
Velasco ... I picked up a couple years ago at the Disney/MGM studios in
orlando ....


cory c. kihlstrom

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Subject: Re: New group
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In article <1992Apr16.130347.17406@ucc.su.OZ.AU> timh@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Timothy James Hatfield) writes:
}In article <2815@tardis.Tymnet.COM> jms@romana.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) writes:
}
}Fifth ? What about a fourth movie ?? Or do you dudes always include another
}SW film (eg. "Holiday Special") in your discussions of the "trilogy" ??
}
}If so, what was the "fourth movie" ??
}

"THE REVENGE OF THE E-WOKS FOR ENDOR" - that silly Disney thing!   :-)


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Subject: Re: The "Force"---- an inconsistency?
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:41:00 GMT
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In article <1992Apr16.171451.8788@cc.gatech.edu>, jasjit@cc.gatech.edu writes...
>There seems to be a logical consistency in the concept of "force".
>Remember, when Luke has his ship sunk in the mud(?) when he goes to meet
>Yoda?  After using the "force" to recover the ship, Yoda tells Luke that
>nothing is big or small for the "force". In other words, he seems to indicate
>that anything of any size can be moved about using the "force" with equal
>ease. If so, why doesn't Luke use the force to destroy the death star, and
>the power generator ?? Perhaps the "dark side" that the emperor and Darth Vader
>used to derive their powers from would prevent that. But then, once the
>emperor and Vader were taken care of, could Luke use the force to say throw
>the death star  intro the sun, and hence destry it without risking the lives
>of the rebel fleet that attacked the death star?

True. Consider that the Death Star was being destroyed after the defeat
of the Emperor, and the fact all Luke cared about was getting dear ole
dad out, assuming that one cannot manipulate the force thru the force
shield.

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From: timothyb@crash.cts.com (Timothy Burleson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?)
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:32:21 GMT
Organization: Crash TimeSharing, El Cajon, CA

In article <1992Apr15.215522.18730@acsu.buffalo.edu> v122jr52@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Thomas H Dunning) writes:
>We just had a 35mm copy of Star Wars here at SUNY Buffalo a few weeks back
>and it clearly had a "Chapter IV" or some other such designation.
>While this could be a re-release, I find that doubtful considering the
>shape the film was in and the cost for 35mm prints.
>
>						td

It may be doubtful, but it's true.  The ORIGINAL release of the movie
in theaters had no "episode" number in them.  That appeared later...

--Tim
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From: rich@locus.com (Rich (the Wiz) Silva)
Subject: Re: The "Force"---- an inconsistency?
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:21:37 GMT

In article <1992Apr17.111125.11213@husc3.harvard.edu> joltes@husc4.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes) writes:
>cs132093@cs.brown.edu (Mark "?" Prince) writes:
>
>>jasjit@cc.gatech.edu (Jasjit Singh) writes:
>>?> There seems to be a logical consistency in the concept of "force".
>>?> Remember, when Luke has his ship sunk in the mud(?) when he goes to meet
>>?> Yoda?  After using the "force" to recover the ship, Yoda tells Luke that
>>?> nothing is big or small for the "force". In other words, he seems to indicate
    [Stuff deleted]

>>A Jedi gives a knight his power, but he must concentrate to use
>>it...if it took that much effort to raise the x-wing fighter from the
>>bog, then hom much harder would it be for Luke to throw the Death Star
>>into the sun?  Not only would it take a much larger force than
>>possible through the use of the force by one individual....maybe Yoda

>I think throwing the deathstar into the sun would be considered an attack!
>Remember also that the Jedi aren't supermen--they're warriors who are very
>highly trained and somewhat enhanced by their knowledge of the Force.  If
>they could trash entire armies with a thought the Empire never would have
>been founded!
>
    But that is inconsistent too.... Notice Vader uses the force to
    "attack" by throwing things at Luke in their battle... Luke, himself,
    uses the force to "kill" by using it in "SW:ANH" to drop bombs down
    a vent to destroy the "original" Death Star.

    Many of you act like this is/was reality, and try to force a movie
    and script to all fit together..... Frankly, the reason Luke (or
    Yoda, or ObiWan, or any combination of them) couldnt throw the
    Death Star into the Sun was because then the film would have been
    very short.  Stated another way: "It wasnt in the script".


    If you want to get hypothetical, have at it.  Its a lot of fun.
    But dont say the show had "errors" or "inconsistencies" because
    it didnt match your mental wanderings.  Look at all the "junk"
    in the movie version of "Dune" that is always so well lambasted
    regularly on the net.  So much of what would have made that a 
    better movie was left on an editor's floor.
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From: rich@locus.com (Rich (the Wiz) Silva)
Subject: Re: 9 Volumes of STAR WARS?  (1st post?)
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 23:07:52 GMT

In article <1992Apr16.143221.25747@crash.cts.com> timothyb@crash.cts.com (Timothy Burleson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.215522.18730@acsu.buffalo.edu> v122jr52@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Thomas H Dunning) writes:
>>We just had a 35mm copy of Star Wars here at SUNY Buffalo a few weeks back
>>and it clearly had a "Chapter IV" or some other such designation.
>>While this could be a re-release, I find that doubtful considering the
>>shape the film was in and the cost for 35mm prints.
>>
>>						td
>
>It may be doubtful, but it's true.  The ORIGINAL release of the movie
>in theaters had no "episode" number in them.  That appeared later...
>

    Christ, how many times does this get bashed around!  Here it is again...:

    When Star Wars first came out, there were plans for 9 episodes.  The
    planned sequence was: 4-6, 1-3, 7-9.  Lucas, then, stated that he
    intended to be involved with episodes 4-6, he did not intend to be
    involved (much) with 1-3 but hoped that others would carry the flame.
    He then would do the other three if there was sufficient interest.

    The reason the first Star Wars came out without the "chapter IV..." was
    that no one could predict the movie's success.  If it bombed or
    even had only mediocre response there would not be any sequels.  When
    Star Wars broke records at the box office, Lucas said there would be
    the next two sequels.  Thus, the next "cut" of the movie had the 
    chapter stuff.  As far as I know, he has never "committed" to the
    next set of three episodes, there is always something more
    important he has to do.

    Now, can we let this die?


-- 
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