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From: that guy@purdue
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: games
Date: 17 Apr 92 03:39:04 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr16.233620.4268@sol.UVic.CA> fell@sol.UVic.CA (Stuart Fell) writes:
>Does anyone have any good indoor game suggestions.  Our troup has
>boys of such different physical builds that the games need to be fair
>to the boys...
>
>Any good wide game suggestions??
>
>We are getting low on ideas and our boys are wanting some new games...

My troop used to play a game called "Steal the Bacon".

Divide the troop into two halves (not three halves, nor one half).
Number off EACH half seperately. If there are 30 boys in the troop,
then you would have two groups, each numbered from 1-15.

Line them up facing each other, about 30-40 feet apart. In numerical
order. Place an object (hat, neckerchief, a duck) between the lines.
Now the field will look kinda like this:


                   1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

                            X               O  <--- SPL or Scoutmaster

                  10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1


The idea is for a scout to go out and retrieve the object. The
SM calls out a number, and each scout with that number runs out and tries
to get the object and go back behind his line.

Once the object is touched, the scout that touched the object can be
tagged by the other scout. There are two ways to win a round: Either
get the object and bring it behind your line without being tagged, or
tag the other scout after he grabs the object and before he makes it 
past the line.

For interesting variations, tell a story instead of just calling out numbers:

"Once, THREE scouts went on a hike. They saw TWO deer and FIVE trees..."

Also, call out more than one number...

It usualy ends up with two scouts circling the object, waiting for an
opening, with the other scouts shouting, etc. If nobody makes a move,
call out another number so there will be four scouts instead of two out
there.

As for physical builds, strength is NOT a factor in this game, but speed and
then planning.

If this is confusing (which it probably is) mail me and I can try to explain
again. Replying to this article won't work, you actually have to mail
with another program... my address is below.

Tom Cronin
cronin@en.ecn.purdue.edu
Eagle Scout
From: dlm@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Spacee)
Subject: Wowee!  A busy GS council we are... 
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 03:15:01 GMT

Aloha--
	Pam's recent posts about Gold and Silver Awards for Girl Scouts
illustrate to all of you the huge amount of work that girls must do to
earn them.  Well, I heard an _incredible_ thing at our monthly Service
Unit meeting on Tuesday evening.  There are 23 Gold and 63 Silver award
recipients in the Girl Scout Council of Hawaii this year!  This is an
amazing figure, I think.  The manager of our service unit said that
typically 6 to 7 girls earn the Gold each year.  I wonder what happened
here? 
	Anyway, I'm proud of them, and just wanted to announce it! 
Debbie
From: mec@math.ufl.edu (Mike E. Cerrato)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Proposal? (girls, atheists, sexuality)
Date: 8 Apr 92 13:50:19 GMT
	<1992Mar30.161821.15657@ulowell.ulowell.edu>
	<1992Apr6.045642.29861@u36.uucp>
	<1992Apr7.001923.15700@ulowell.ulowell.edu>
Reply-To: sirotto%maple.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu
Organization: University of Florida Department of Mathematics

In article <1992Apr7.001923.15700@ulowell.ulowell.edu> rcashman@cs.ulowell.edu (The Jester) writes:

   Says the ninety-plus percent of American citizens who follow a heterosexual
   lifestyle instead of a homosexual one.  Regardless of whether or not adoption
   by a homosexual couple can be done, no, you do not form a traditional
   nuclear family.  A traditional nuclear family consists of a) a husband (male),
   b) a wife (female), and possibly c) one or more children (of either gender).
   You and your [sic] "spouse" are not consistent with this traditional nuclear
   family ideal.  Get used to that fact.

Excuse me?  The USA no longer revolves around a "traditional nuclear
family."  The are too many divorced parents, never married parents,
remerried parents and teenage mothers out there to think otherwise.
If I were to take a poll of all my friends, divorced and remerried
parents would be the norm.  The world is changing.  Tolerance is
becoming a necessity.  We ALL have to get used to it.
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  table someplace in the West Panhandle of Florida.    |  University of Florida
From: poli2031@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Sea Scouts
Date: 9 Apr 92 15:00:19 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <1992Apr01.153358.2880@donau.et.tudelft.nl>, rozema@dutecaj.et.tudelft.nl (Jan Rozema) writes:
> Hello,
> 
> Until this year I was leader of a group of sea scouts (I suppose you call them
> so, in Dutch they are called 'zeeverkenners'). Do these groups exists in 
> countries like Canada, America, Australia etc? If they do, I'm very interested 
> in their program (global description of what they do in a year), what type of 
> sailing boats they use generally etc.
> 
> In the Netherlands there is every four year an international camp for sea
> scouts. This year this camp will be in Roermond in the end of july. Last time
> a total of 5000 sea scouts joined this camp. They came from the UK, Belgium,
> France, Germany, Israel, ..., and of course the Netherlands. If you are inte-
> rested in this and you want some info please email me. 
> 
> Thanks for any info,
>                      Jan Rozema
>                      rozema@duteca.et.tudelft.nl
> 
>          
I know that the Sea Scouts exit in Malaysia but there are very few troops as
far as I know.  When I was in the scouts one of the troops in school was a sea
scout group and I do not know if they exist anymore.

Any ex-scouts from Malaysia out there, maybe you might know more about the sea
scouts in Malaysia.

Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: stolz@fnboot.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Eagle Court of Honor Question
Organization: P.S.C.
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 15:46:05 GMT

In article <1992Apr10.034805.22783@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:
> I'm new to the job of Eagle Advisor, and a boy who will be having his
> Court of Honor in about two months asked me a question I couldn't
> answer.
> 
> I know that at Courts of Honor, congratulations letters from big
> shots, like the President and the Pope, are read.  How are such
> letters requested and who notifies whom and how?  In short, what
> is the process for getting or soliciting such letters?
> 


Hi - your District Exec should be able to help you on this.  Any good DE should
have a long list of public figures and their addresses.  If not, get the names
of some district Scoutmasters who have graduated a lot of Eagles - I GUARANTEE
that they will have a long list!  Our Scoutmaster uses essentially a form 
letter, and sends it to the Pres., VP, all our Congressmen, the head of the US
Postal Service (I believe he was an Eagle too (?)), and several Illinois and
local polititians.  He also finds out (from the boys parents) the name(s) of
his favorite athletes and/or other famous folks, and sends letters to them as
well.  Michael Jordan is popular here and he always sends a great letter in 
reply.  Team addresses always work for us and are fairly easy to get.  I'm
sure Generals Powell and Schwartzkopf also get their share of requests.  I
also have a book about Boy Scouts that includes a lot of now-famous ex-scouts
(not handy this instant tho') that is/was published by the BSA.  Old Eagles
LOVE being asked to send letters, and also understand what your new Eagle
has gone through to get where he is.  Hope this helps ALL you new Scoutmasters
out there!   :-)
Mike S.
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Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: heiby@chg.mcd.mot.com (Ron Heiby)
Subject: Re: BSA: Eagle in Jeopardy
Keywords: eagle BSA theft
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Schaumburg, IL
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:52:47 GMT

I don't remember specifically where I heard this, but it is my
understanding that a Felony conviction causes an automatic revocation
of the Eagle award.  If this is (or is still) the case, perhaps the
question of whether the theft was misdemeanor or felony would have
some bearing on what happens.

Your first point of contact for help with this, or any other problem,
should be your Unit Commissioner.  I held this position for several
years, and the job includes finding the right people to help a unit
with whatever questions or difficulties arise.  I am sure that your
Unit Commissioner would immediately contact your District Commissioner
and District Chairman and District Executive.

Good luck!
-- 
Ron Heiby, heiby@chg.mcd.mot.com	Moderator: comp.newprod
"Not having sendmail is like not having VD."
From: fester@sonata.cc.purdue.edu
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Reply to "Mr" Cashman
Date: 8 Apr 92 03:52:21 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr7.233424.14974@ulowell.ulowell.edu> rcashman@cs.ulowell.edu (The Jester) writes:
>Yet, at the same time, Mr. Strom refutes his own argument by way of
>his "basketball" example.  The BSA is your "basketball fan club,"
>Mr. Strom.  It is a fan club for a non-atheistic, monogamous, heterosexual
>lifestyle.  And it tries to teach this lifestyle as being a
>traditional American ideal.  If you are not a "fan" of this lifestyle,
>you are not invited to join the "fan club."

Gee, and I thought the BSA was around to teach traditional values like
trustworthiness, loyalty, helpfulness, friendliness, courtesy, kindness,
obedience, cheerfulness, thriftiness, courage, cleansliness and reverence.

Whoops, I guess I fail to see heterosexuality in there. Care to point
out the specific one? And care to help me understand how blatant
discrimination falls under kindness, courtesy and friendliness? I
never thought it was very friendly.....

If/when I have kids of scouting age, I sincerely hope they don't
end up in your troop, "Mr." Cashman. They might learn some things
from their Scoutmaster that I, as a parent, wouldn't approve of.
These things, "Mr." Cashman are hatred, intolerance and prejudice....
I would much rather they get a gay SM than you.

Tom Cronin
Eagle Scout
Newsgroups: rec.scouting,alt.atheism
From: ingles@lorch.engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)
Subject: Re: B.S.A. Belief in God Requirement
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 17:09:06 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa


In article <21244@hacgate.UUCP>, hayes@ddemo3.aero.org (Brian Hayes 74-35 x65129) writes:
> In article <1992Apr14.135922.12624@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
> >hayes@ddemo3.aero.org (Brian Hayes 74-35 x65129) writes:
> >
> >>I do not recall the news story, but I would like to write this:  The 
> >>BSA-atheist incident could have been avoided if the people involved 
> >>had been a bit more thoughtful (particularly a bit wiser).  I see
> >>it as a case of stubborn kids and supportive but foolish parents.  It would
> >>have been nice if a scout master or scout executive had explained to them 
> >>that "It isn't what you believe..."
> >[...]
> >
> >For a person who doesn't believe in God, to swear to God, is to lie.
> >Would you swear to Zeus? Would you promise to be reverent when you are
> >not?
> 
> 1.  Does BSA policy require you to swear to God (or a god)?  Or, is this 
> an infered interpretation?

 Yes indeedy.
 "On my honor, I will do my best to do my duty to God and my
country, and to obey the Scout Law..." <- quoted right from the
Scout Oath.
 Part of the Scout Law, (#12), defined in the Scout Handbook:
 "A Scout is Reverent. A Scout is reverant toward God..."

> >I read what you wrote as: "I see it as a case of kids who will not lie
> >and supportive but foolish parents. It would have been nice if a scout
> >master or scout executive had explained to them that 'It is OK to lie'."
> 
> 2.  Thank you for pointing out my poor use of the word stubborn.  At first I 
> thought that "will not lie" was an incomplete substitution for "stubborn"; 
> but, after refering to the dictionary, I judge it to be a fair substitution.
> I do not believe people should lie about there beliefs.  Thus, I wish to 
> retract the word "stubborn" from my statement and replace it with 
> "obstinate."  I do believe the parties involved in this incident were 
> obstinate. 

 I fail to see that this is an improvement. I assume you're trying
imply that both parties were making needless trouble over an
insignificant trifle?

> 3.  Secondly, I'm sorry you interpreted my statement as saying that a scout
> representative should have explained that "It is OK to lie."  
> The statement "It is OK to lie"
> does not have the same meaning as the quote "It isn't what you believe; it is 
> that you know what you believe, and that you live your life accordingly" 
> (especially given the original context of the quote).  This quote, "It isn't
> what you believe...," could be a possible definition for "being reverent."

 But, in the Scouts it *is* in part what you believe. See my answer
to #1.

[deletion]

> <<<<<<<<<< Brian Hayes hayes%bh_ddemo3@hac2arpa (310) 616-5129 >>>>>>>>>>>>

Sincerely,

Ray Ingles                  || The above opinions are probably
                            || not those of the University of
ingles@caen.engin.umich.edu || Michigan. Yet.
From: cronin@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Fester the Penguin)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: Bashing Problem Solved (restriction)
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:41:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Apr13.115350.1570@brandonu.ca> mcbeanb@brandonu.ca writes:
>In article <1992Apr6.174441.1529@brandonu.ca>, mcbeanb@brandonu.ca writes:
>> From what I've read on the group, all we need to do is define the boy
>> scouts in a slightly different light than is usual.  Everybody is
>> complaining about how boy scouts discriminate against certain sexualities
>> and religions (or lack of)...
>> 
>> So why not just say "The Boy Scouts are a group of homophobics who believe
>> in God."
>I have been asked to restrict this comment to the BSA, and I'd like to do
>that, but it also applies to whatever other scouting organization which
>refuses membership to homosexuals and atheists.

Well, Brian, the BSA is the only scouting organization in the known universe
which discriminates against homosexuals and athiests. Unless, of course, you
count such former scouting youth groups such as "Young Pioneers" (although
they did not discriminate against athiests, but rather theists) and the
"Hitler's Youth" (and they discriminated against certain religions as well). 
I honestly cannot think of any other scouting organization, past or present,
that discriminates on basis of religion or sexuality.

Thomas Cronin
Eagle Scout

Disclaimer - "Young Pioneers" may still be around, and they may have 
 changed some of their policies, although their major sponsoring organization
 is in some financial and political difficulty at this time (Yay!)
From: daveh@compnect.UUCP (Dave Hultberg)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: It'd Be A Shame
Date: 13 Apr 92 01:24:01 GMT
Organization: Compnect, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <1992Apr09.132548.7059@digibd.com>, merlyn@digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy) writes:

>   The BSA did not honestly comply with the United Way
> requirements to not religiously discriminate when they (the BSA)
> accepted funding.  Do you support the BSA taking money under false
> pretenses?  Is it OK for the BSA to lie to get funded?  Don't you
> find the BSA's actions reprehensible & hypocritical?

I fail to see where BSA lied to the United Way.  I have seen Chief Scout
Executive Ben Love's video tape address to the United Way.  BSA has
never lied about or denied the requirement for duty to ones god(s).  It
is clearly stated on both boy and adult application forms.  I would be
interested in documentary proof that BSA ever told United Way that they
would admit atheists.  If United Way doesn't like BSA's clearly stated
membership requirements, requirements that BSA has repeatedly defended
in court, then they are free to withhold funding from BSA.  However,
they would be wise to consider the repercusions of doing so.  Should
this become United policy, quite a few contributors, myself included,
would withhold donations from United Way.  


-- 
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From: jallen@jarthur.claremont.edu (Jeff R. Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: BSA: Eagle in Jeopardy
Summary: Future Eagle scout caught stealing, may lose rank.
Keywords: eagle BSA theft
Date: 11 Apr 92 07:09:12 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711

There is an boy in our troop that has just recently gotten his Eagle
scout rank. The boy's application has been approved by the National
Office and he has received the patch and certificate in the mail. He
was planning on holding a Court of Honor in May.

The problem is that he was caught stealing recently by the Sherrif's office
that he works in in connection with his Explorer Post (A law enforcement/
search and rescue post). Apparently the office had been losing things, and
set a trap for the scout.

This is the first thing the boy has ever done wrong. It is undeniably
wrong, and pretty stupid, to steal from the police. The Sherrif wants
his Eagle scout award taken away. My opinion is that he should keep
the rank, but that there should be no Court of Honor immediately, possibly
at all. I feel this way because I think the Eagle Rank is irrevokeable
once National has awarded it. Yet, I feel that there would be no _honor_
in a court of honor under these circumstances.

I think the boy made a mistake. A terrible, stupid mistake, but a mistake
nonetheless. I believe that he can learn from it, but the integrity of Eagle
Scouts everywhere must be upheld.

What would you do? Has anyone out there ever dealt with this sort of
problem? What might the National Office say about this?

Please post and e-mail your opinions... I'd like to hear them, and this
is an important topic for discussion. Please, however, stay on the topic, 
and don't flame each other! Let's make this thread an example for the group.

--
Jeff Allen (IRC: Itter)         /  Q. What's so unpleasant about
Freshman, Harvey Mudd College   \     being drunk?
                                /  A. Why don't you ask a glass
jallen@jarthur.claremont.edu    \     of water?
Eagle Scout, Class of 1989.
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)
Subject: Re: games
Organization: Summit NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:48:12 GMT

>Does anyone have any good indoor game suggestions.  Our troup has
>boys of such different physical builds that the games need to be fair
>to the boys...
>
>Any good wide game suggestions??
>
>We are getting low on ideas and our boys are wanting some new games...

One possibility is to use Scout skill games instead of physical games.
A stretcher construction and carry game is one possibility.  A
knot tying or lashing competition is another.  A compass reading
game (like find the bearing to 3 points in the room) is another.

One thing we do in our Troop, but we have 45 members, of which
17 are in High School, is for physical games that have a small
playing area, we have two separate games going; but this probably
won't work if you have much less than 10 boys in each size
group.
-- 
Stan Krieger                     All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even
AT&T UNIX System Laboratories    if related to my employment, are my own.
Summit, NJ
smk@usl.com
From: IZARD@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu (Don Izard)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: A Day at the Races (pinewood derby)
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:41:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.1992Apr10.185123.29348
Organization: University at Buffalo

------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
From: rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard D'Ippolito)
Newsgroups: rec.scouting
Subject: Re: A Day at the Races (pinewood derby)
Date: 31 Mar 92 21:54:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Software Engineering Institute

In article <958@esl.ESL.COM>  Scott Harline writes:

> I would like some help with how to run a Pinewood derby.
>
> I would like to know how to do double elimination when four cars are
> racing at a time.  Our derby track has four lanes and in recent years
> they have only run two cars at a time on the track.


*We have used a 4-lane track and a 3-lane track.  To make it fair and give
*each car more time, we rotate lanes so that each car races in each lane (
*1-2-3-4, 2-3-4-1, 3-4-1-2, 4-1-2-3) and we give each car a score by finish
*number for each of the four heats.  In this case, the lowest possible
*score is 4  (four firsts) and the highest is 16 (four lasts).  If you have
*another 4 cars, do the same. What you do from there depends on your time
*constraints (eliminate the bottom from each group and race the bottom four
*remaining, race the bottom four and then drop two, etc.)

*Rich

Just to add to the above:  You can create a simple basic program to
generate a four lane rotation of any number of cars.  That way each
car can race on each of four lanes, and race as many different other
cars as posible in four rotations.  Then you add up the points and
take the TOP 16 "qualifiers" into the SEMI finals.  Again, each
races 4 times, once on each lane, with all 16 cars rotation so
you limit the times two cars run against each other.  Then after
the 16 car rotations, you should have 4 top cars, they race for
four trophys at our pack, plus the OTHERS get awards for best design,
most coloful, most orginal, best paint job, best detail etc. etc.
Everyone goes home with a ribon, a certificate, and hopefully
a pride that they did their best, and got some recognitions.
I have a FORTRAN version of the four lane rotationprogram
that handle from 16 to 96 cars.  More than that, GOOD LUCK!
We also try to get race decals, stickers and penants for each.

Don Izard <IZARD at UBVM.BITNET>
still scouting, since '57