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From: al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 specs released! No more rumor...
Date: 16 Aug 92 04:16:00 GMT

jyoung@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jeff Young) writes:

>Maybe if you mother teach you ANYTHING about typing fast and few 
>you would have better self esteam. 

   Hmmm... I don't know what his or anybodies mother has to do with
typing fast, and one thing is to type fast and another to type stuff
that doesn't give you a headache when you read it. When I read your
the only image it conveys is that of somebody (you) trying to talk with
marbles in your mouth. Gives me a splitting headache.

   You just made my killfile with flying colors and virtual reality.
I wish I could shut you down. Or nock down your priority so that you'd
post only when nobody's reading.

>I use dictionary ALL THE
>TIME so you not so smart as you tink.  

   I "tink" you DON'T use that dictionary you say you have, or that
you use it for something else that it wasen't actually made for.
Say... wiping youself with it?

(you asked for that buster, don't ever mention anybodies mother to
another person, specially when a Mexican can hear, it's a capital
insult).

>Maybe Bill Gates
>teach you to insult people who do things better?  

   Hmmm... I don't know what *YOU* have done, and beside, you're the
only person who have been insulting people, and giving headaches with
your terrible writing. Besides, nobody needs Billy Gates, unless you
want to do something "The Microsoft Way" (eeekk!).

>This is LAST answer to all you insults.  GO CHANGE YOU DIAPER!!

  Go change your self for a more "compatible" version!

-Gus
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From: al158305@academ01.mty.itesm.mx (Gustavo Cordova Avila)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Date: 16 Aug 92 23:45:49 GMT

ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) writes:

>	Most Amiga users are totally ignorant of IBM's OS2 2.0.

>						G.Greene

>>	 
>>Fred Heitkamp,  ** Only my own opinions **

  So what?!? Most IBM users are ignorant about Amiga's OS, about it's
hardware and all else, and... SO WHAT?!?!?  What a stupid commentary!!
It doesn't say ANYTHING!!! Like: "The sun comes out during the day."

SO WHAT!?!?!?

-Gus
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From: 8939527@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU ()
Subject: Re: Amiga 4000/Atari Falcon
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 23:29:32 GMT

>>>
>>>Question for OS/2 experts:  Is it possible to set up a "virtual workspace",
>>>larger than the screen, that automatically scrolls (smoothly) as the mouse is
>>>dragged past the edge of the screen in OS/2?
>>>
>>
>>This would require a special display driver.  I haven't seen one like it for
>>OS/2.  However, I do just that with X11 under UNIX SVR4.  The PC version
>>of X11 has this feature, and it even lets you switch resolutions on the
>>fly -- kind of like a built-in zooming feature.  So for example, you could
>>have a virtual workspace of 1152x900 with 256 colors (that's about the limit
>>with 1MB video RAM), and display it using 640x480, 800x600, or 1024x768
>>resolutions, switchable via the keyboard.
>
>That's nice, but it's understandable that you'd need that on a PC X server.
>SVGA may give great resolution, but the common 14" monitors don't.  I set up a
>new Tektronix X terminal yesterday - there's no comparison at all with typical
>PC displays - of course, it costs a bit more, too!  So, to be able to use
>software designed for a megapixel display on a PC, you certainly would need to
>be able to zoom in and scroll around to see the details.
>
>What X11 server are you using on the PC?  We're looking getting into that - it
>would be ok for casual users who don't need a dedicated terminal.  I'd prefer a
>server that runs under Windows so that I could have multiple X sessions along
>side DOS and Windows apps.  Such an environment would make the PCs almost
>reasonable!   :-)
>
>Any answers are probably best mailed to me - it's not exactly an Amiga topic...
>
>>>Can a shell window be wider than
>>>the screen, allowing the user to scroll sidewise to see wide file listing or
>>>whatever, as needed?
>>>
>>
>>Yes; this is what scrollbars are for.
>
>I know - my question was: does OS/2 have them in shell windows, as an option
>at least?
>

	Yesterday in an Australian magazine I saw an article
describing a windows driver that allowed multiple monitors to be used !!
ie. running the same windows on the same machine.If panneled displayes
could be developed for the amiga then why not multiple monitors.
How about battleship with two low res monitors or a BIG screen for cad
drawings and a small terminal screen for the input. I guess
anything that can be controlled from the shell could be hooked up bu AUX.
	

>
>-- 
>
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>Computer Systems Officer, QDPI    | Fax      : +61 70 92 3593
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	GEorge

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From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 14:13:22 GMT

kdarling@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Kevin Darling) writes:
>Yep, there are usually horror stories about sales and demos of all equipment.
>For example, there was a recent thread on CompuServe about how Harrod's in
>London has CD-I players displayed in many of their numerous windows, and
>naturally the question of CDTV visibility came up.  Turned out that a lot of
>U.K. stores leave them off because the CDTV demo disk was an extra-cost item.
>Salespeople stories don't mean much, except to those who believe that
>neither player can sell (yet) without a good demo and salesperson.

Well, I haven't seen (either) one sell yet ... :)  With the market CD-I 
appears to be aimed at, judging from the demo disk I saw, suggestive
selling will be pretty important in CD-I sales.

>And on that topic, Philips announced yesterday that starting this fall,
>and running into 1993, they plan a multimillion dollar CD-I campaign which
>(in their words) will be "unequaled in today's U.S. consumer electronics
>marketplace".  It'll include high profile TV ads, local TV/print/radio ads,
>and lots of store demonstrations nationwide by trained regional salespeople.
>Interestingly, just before StarTrek:TNG ran here last Saturday night, there
>was an (apparently) locally produced CD-I ad from an audio store in Cary NC.

Strange ... I've seen some CDTV ads but no CDTV player for sale around here.
I've seen a CD-I player but no CD-I ads.  

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From: cshort@nmsu.edu (Spmg*d, Lord of Potted Meat Product)
Subject: Re: No alchemy required was Re: HAM/SuperHAM
Organization: Computing Research Lab
	<l8o5k9INNih1@pollux.usc.edu>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 10:23:25 GMT

>>>>> On 14 Aug 1992 13:24:41 -0700, addison@pollux.usc.edu (Richard Addison) said:

r> Silicon dioxide is also known as silica.  [Don't confuse this with
r> silica gel, which is a highly adsorbent gelatinous form of silica used
r> chiefly as a dehumidifying and dehydrating agent.]
r> Richard

silica gel, do not eat. yum stay's crispy in milk.

c.
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From: TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Falcon 030 specs released! No more rumor...
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 19:35:49 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <kkrebs.00wl@amilink.UUCP> <1992Aug11.010921.6256@sbcs.sunysb.edu>
  <1992Aug12.024854.29888@tronsbox.xei.com>

Putting Morton Downey Jr. and Howard Stern in the same sentence 
seems odd.

And if you don't see the difference, well, that's too bad.
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From: serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee)
Subject: Re: X-Pert Systems Domino Board
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 18:20:04 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.115430.19212@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip Sauls) writes:
>
>I don't know if the new machines have incompatible CPU slots or not, but it
>seems odd that C='s own 040 board works only in the A3000T.  Funny thing is
>I seem to recall Dave H. and others saying that the CPU slot was identical
>to the one in the A3000.  Of course, I'm not about to spend $2k on an 040
>board anyway.  Stupid me believed the C= guys when they talked about how
>easy it would be to build an 040 board for the A3000 and that the prices
>would be below $1000.  Ha!  They should switch to marketing as they would
>do a better job suckering people into buying Amigas.
>
Maybe C= pulled a stunt "a la Toaster" on their 040board... it might not
fit in the A3000
-- 
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				only care for what they want."
My opinions are mine only.
From: tinman@agora.uucp (David Tinnyo)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: People, CALM DOWN!
Date: 19 Aug 92 08:03:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: agora.1992Aug19.080347.1108
Organization: Open Communications Forum

In article <34392@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
>In article <63797@cup.portal.com> TomK@cup.portal.com (Tom R Krotchko) writes:
>>>you're a CS who gave up on EE because the math was too intimidating
>
>>Way back in the dark ages, CS's and EE's used to take the same
>>math; in fact, CS's took more because the last two years were all
>>different types of numerical analysis.
>
>I don't think most schools have EE's and CS's taking exactly the same kind of
>mathematics.  When I was in school (not exactly the dark ages, but getting
>there), CS was actually taught as a mathematics tract, not as a separate major.
>You can't get much more mathematical than that in your CS.  Both EE and Math

[...]

You must have gone to the same school as me, Dave (Carnegie-Mellon).  Actually,
I thought CMU was unique in putting the CS BS under the Mathematics dept.
It seemed to have a lot to do with the general feeling that they didn't
consider CS a "real" degree until post-grad.

[...]

>that were required for the different math tracts, my primary department was
>EE, I added math as a secondary department to get "Electical Engineering and
>Mathematics" written on my diploma.  But I'm pretty sure, while both types of
>degrees involve lots of mathematics, you have far more latitude in the kind
>of math you study under any reasonable CS or Mathematics program than for EE.
>After all, the mathematics an EE needs are pretty much mandated by physics.
>-- 
>Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests"

What's interesting is that I got a CompE/Math degree but I managed to weasel
out of the tough EE math (Fields,etc) AND the tough CS math (linear alg, etc).
I took mainly digital EE stuff and got to take many more CS courses than most
EEs (Comp Graphics, Compiler Design, etc).   Hmm, does that make me a CS
who became a EE because the math was too intimidating?  Whatever... 
Actually I only do software now...

You know, this newsgroup is really great.  There is no need to read anything
else... We can discuss Amigas, Fast Cars, Beer, Politics, even Wife Swapping...
And now even reminisce about our college days with fellow alumni...

-- 
** David E. TinNyo **                      ** tinman@agora.rain.com **
"What is called politics is comparatively something so superficial and
 inhuman, that, practically, I have never fairly recognized that it
 concerns me at all." -- Henry David Thoreau
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From: barrett@iastate.edu (Marc N Barrett)
Subject: Re: A570 price
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 05:02:29 GMT

In article <276@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com> hjalmar@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com (Peter Hjalmarsson Sweden) writes:
>In article <liam.05w5@durie.amigans.gen.nz> liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug10.213202.15982@cheshire.oxy.edu> leavitt@cheshire.oxy.edu (Thomas VanNess Leavitt) writes:
>>>A570 available in Sweden?!?  Another CBM stunt, release the stuff in
>>>Europe, keep the U.S. in the dark and a year behind the rest of the world...
>>>great.
>
>The A570 is not available in Sweden. 50 units were sold to dealers this
>spring as demo units, and to developers.
>
>It has *not* been released to the general public.

   Of course not.  To release it to the general public would be a sign of
intelligence, and Commodore does want that.

>============================================================\\======
>Peter Hjalmarsson     \  hjalmar@cbmswe.se.so.commodore.com  \\  _
>Amiga Support Engineer >-----------------------------------   \\//
>Commodore Sweden      /  ...speaking for myself, not Commodore \/

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     "Oh the yellow Ross of Texas..."
From: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: amiga rules!
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:43:34 GMT
Reply-To: peterk@cbmger.de.so.commodore.com (Dr Peter Kittel Germany)
Distribution: comp
Organization: Commodore Germany

In article <34416@cbmvax.commodore.com> daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes:
 >In article <1992Aug17.034934.27257@wam.umd.edu> gcasa@wam.umd.edu (Gregory John Casamento) writes:
 >
 >Aside from CP/M, there was a good deal of C128 mode software.  I recall a few
 >telecommunications programs, wordprocessors, spreadsheets, paint programs,
 >etc.  

Yes, there was this GIGA-CAD software, and later the programs that used
the undocumented superhires. Really cute. And there was also a version of
GEOS, looking and performing really nice.

 >>Also, I believe the incompatability came from the fact that the 128 had a 6510
 >>installed and used it for both the C64 and C128 modes.  The  C64 however had
 >>a straight 6502 processor.
 >
 >Nope, the C64 has a 6510.  The C128 has something called an 8502, which is 
 >essentially a 6510 that runs at 2MHz (the "65" vs. "85" indicates the IC 
 >process, the former being plain vanilla C= NMOS, the second latter high speed 
 >NMOS process).

Hmm, isn't the C64 processor today a 8510? And wasn't the 6502 used in the
VIC 20? Perhaps this is where that confusion came from.

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From: Paula_Lieberman@amicol.UUCP (Paula Lieberman)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: If AA then Why OpalVision?
Date: 19 Aug 92 15:25:05 GMT
Organization: Amiga Colony BBS

Just because there're -possible- alternatives with -possible- future
delivery dates, doesn't mean that a product doesn't have a market.  I still
don't understand why Black Belt pulled HAM-E -- there was a market still in
effect tat wanted and was willing to pay for it, plus, even when new stuff
comes out, there are usually reasons why the old stuff will contine to sell
--people who want more of the same thing they're already trained in and
used to using for example -- part of the whole "compatibilit" thing -- it
takes TIME and money to learn new systems, new hardware, new software. 
That translates into inefficiency/learning curve, which people don't like
to have to deal with and don't deal with unless they have to, or are forced
to......   Also, there is the "I need something NOW!" -- six, or twenty, or
even a half a month arrival in the FUTURE doesn't help "I have six days to
get this project FINISHED!"


-- Via DLG Pro v0.991
From: Les_Jenkins@lppl.mi.org (Les Jenkins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Distribution: world
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:40:22 EST
Organization: Les's Place BBS

In a message dated Tue 18 Aug 92  0:38, daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave
Haynie) wrote:

 DH> The original A1000 list price was $1495.  The street price went to
 DH> around $1200 not long after the introduction of the machine.  That's a
 DH> far cry from >$2K. Sure, if you wanted to, you could spend more than
$2K
 DH> on add-ons, but none of that was necessary at the time to run games or
 DH> most other early programs (even Deluxe Paint ran in 256K, though it
was
 DH> certainly better in 512K).


Sorry Dave, gotta disagree with you here. Maybe the list price was $1495,
but that was NOT what the inital street price was. I can remember exactly
what my original A1000 cost me (I even have the sales receipt even after
all this time) and, with monitor, it came out to exactly $2024.79 for a
256K one drive system. A far cry from your claim of a street price of
$1200. In fact, it wasn't until over a year later that the street prices
came down to the level you say the introductory price was set at. This was
the cheapest price I could find in the area too. Anyone care to explain why
the initial 1080 monitor would cost about $600 at that time? (the only way
to explain the price difference)

                                        ===Les===


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From: serge@dgbt.doc.ca (Serge Ah Hee)
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Organization: The Communications Research Centre
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:46:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.042252.9987@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.003046.27379@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>>Any wagers on sound capabilities?
>
>ECS Paula.
>
>>Mark
>
>-- 
>Colin Adams       Honours Student - James Cook University of North Queensland
>  "And if I seem a little strange, well that's because I am." - The Smiths 

Huh... 16 bit, 44Khz sampling/channel, 4 track, real time DSP effect such as
flanger, reverb, delay, echo, distorsion, compression, chorus...

Oh oh... I'm getting a bit carried away here... Just some wishful thinking...

-- 
Serge Ah-Hee                  "Most troubles come from the fact that people 
serge@dgbt.doc.ca		take for granted of what they have, and 
				only care for what they want."
My opinions are mine only.
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From: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (LaMonte Koop)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: No AA machines in September -- NOT!
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:48:26 GMT
Reply-To: lkoop@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
Organization: St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, MN

In article <1992Aug20.200733.21745@grebyn.com>, richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.042252.9987@marlin.jcu.edu.au> cpca@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Colin Adams) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug20.003046.27379@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca> rickan@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (Mark Rickan) writes:
>>>Any wagers on sound capabilities?
>>
>>ECS Paula.
>
>There is no ECS Paula; the A3000 has the same Paula as the A1000.  As
>I understand it, the Paula for AA will still be the very same Paula.

    I would hesitate to use terms as 'as I understand it' and such with
something as speculative as the AA chipset.  As far as the consumer real
world is concerned, the beasties are an unknown, impossible to quantify.

>I figure the technology in Paula is just so obscure that no one at
>Commodore has yet been able to figure it out or duplicate it.  The
>audio channels are *analog* outputs!  This is not a simple digital
>chip.  Whatever Amiga Corp. engineer developed Paula and then got
>canned took Paula's technology with him.

    Well, I would highly doubt this.  Paula is actually not that difficult
of a design at a base.  As for analog audio outputs, I'm sorry but that does
not qualify a design as 'obscure'...in such a context I would suppose any
'ol DAC would be impossible to create then... :)

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 Internet: lkoop@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu -OR- f00012@kanga.stcloud.msus.edu
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From: paulg@weird.miami.fl.us (Paul Griswold)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Perot ?
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:20:38 EDT
Organization: Weird BBS [Amiga] (305)553-3207 S. Miami, FL USA

DITTO!   - Rush Limbaugh addict since 1988!
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From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata FSO)
Subject: Re: CDTV is dead.
Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata FSO)
Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 23:24:01 GMT

In article <Les_Jenkins.042a@lppl.mi.org> Les_Jenkins@lppl.mi.org (Les Jenkins) writes:
>In a message dated Tue 18 Aug 92  0:38, daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave
>Haynie) wrote:
>
> DH> The original A1000 list price was $1495.  The street price went to
> DH> around $1200 not long after the introduction of the machine.  That's a
> DH> far cry from >$2K. Sure, if you wanted to, you could spend more than
>$2K
> DH> on add-ons, but none of that was necessary at the time to run games or
> DH> most other early programs (even Deluxe Paint ran in 256K, though it
>was
> DH> certainly better in 512K).
>
>
>Sorry Dave, gotta disagree with you here. Maybe the list price was $1495,
>but that was NOT what the inital street price was. I can remember exactly
>what my original A1000 cost me (I even have the sales receipt even after
>all this time) and, with monitor, it came out to exactly $2024.79 for a
>256K one drive system. A far cry from your claim of a street price of
>$1200. In fact, it wasn't until over a year later that the street prices
>came down to the level you say the introductory price was set at. This was
>the cheapest price I could find in the area too. Anyone care to explain why
>the initial 1080 monitor would cost about $600 at that time? (the only way
>to explain the price difference)

I paid close to $600.00 for my 1080 monitor back when the Amiga first
came out.  They were much more expensive back them.

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