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From: Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu>
Subject: STEELHEAD
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 08:34:57 EST
Organization: Pediatric Surgery, U of Michigan
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Here is my cost and results regarding steelhead fishing this past weekend
in Frankfort, Michigan.  Total trip time by car was 4.5 hours,
oneway.
	Weather was snow flurries, high temperature was 34 degrees.
Lost 1 salmon, and one steelhead broke line and proceeded to jump
3 times afterward trying to shake the lure which was obviously
in it's mouth.  Boated 3 fish.
	Here is the breakdown:
	Semi-Cheap Motel; 2 Nights       104.00
	Gasoline                                        45.00
	1 lost Lure (Flatfish)                     5.00

	Total:                                      $154.00

	3 Steelhead boated per 6 hours of fishing=2 hours/fish

$51.33/steelhead or $25.66 dollars/hour fished

Observations:

1.  Wish I made $25.00/hour at work,
2.  WD-40 worked.  I caught all these fish after
    spraying my lure.  Fished 1/2 time without spraying,
    and 1/2 time after spraying lure.
3.  It was COLD, slow fishing, but really exciting catching these fish.
4.  Steelhead fishermen are crazy.
5.  Thank God I was fishing and wasn't forced to watch Dallas vs Detroit
BOB DRONGOWSKI--"ICE FISHING IS REALLY A MISNOMER, MOST OF THE TIME"  The
Polish Fisherman
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: peder@tamarack.cray.com (Peder Sterling)
Subject: Ice Fishing
Originator: peder@tamarack
Reply-To: peder@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 13 Nov 92 08:09:25 CST


Does anyone out there get into ice fishing?  I have gone ice fishing only
once in my life, and that was way back when I was in cubs scouts ;-)

What equipment is neccessary?  Obviously you need a fish house, an auger,
some type of heater, warm clothes, and plenty of beer, but is there any
specific ice fishing equipment needed.  Is there such a thing as an "ice
fishing pole"?  I've heard of "tip-ups", but I'm not exactly sure what
they are or how they are used.  Does one use live bait for ice fishing,
or lures/jigs, etc.  If using live bait, what works best - minnows,
crawlers, or leeches?  How do you keep the live bait from freezing?  What
do you do with the fish once you have caught them - I don't think a basket
or stringer will be neccessary - just throw them in the cooler?

Thanks for any info - and tight lines!

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From: mroberts@ptdcs2.intel.com (Mark Roberts ~)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Small Outboard Advice Desired.
Keywords: TOP TEN
Date: 5 Nov 92 21:09:53 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation -- Aloha, Oregon

In article <1992Nov5.151606.14703@ncsu.edu> plheron@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.000945.5510@mlb.semi.harris.com>, jphillip@comanche.ess.harris.com (John Phillips) writes:
>|> Here's my top ten outboard manufacturers
>|> 
>|> 1. Johnson/Evinrude
>|> 2. Johnson/Evinrude
>|> 3. Johnson/Evinrude
>|> 4. Johnson/Evinrude
>|> 5. Johnson/Evinrude
>|> 6. Johnson/Evinrude
>|> 7. Johnson/Evinrude
>|> 8. Mercury/Mariner
>|> 8. Mercury/Mariner
>|> 10. Yamaha
>
>John, 
>
>Although I respect your opinion, and you undoubtably have 
>more experience with small outboards than I, based upon the 
>body of advice I have recieved you have written your list 
>exactly upside-down.  I guess it all comes down to subjective 
>opinion, i.e. are redheads are brunettes superior?, 
>GMC or Ford or Toyota...
>
>I ended up with a '93 Mercury 15hp, got it for $1700.
>Fish beware, you are on notice!!!
>
>			-Pat.
>		        plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu
>
>p.s. The news traffic seems to have subsided.  Is it getting 
>     too cold for you guys, or are you just working that hard?
>
>

Pat,

Although I respect your opinion, and you undoubtably have 
more experience with small outboards than I, I gotta tell you,
most of us in the Pacific City Dory Fleet (tm) run (in order)

1) Evinrude
2) Johnson
3) Volvo/Penta I/O

Johnson and Evinrude are basicly the same engine.  Only the name
has been changed to confuse the innocent.  The reason we run
Evinrude rather than Mercury/Mariner is because the Merc is a
very good machine at top end but does not troll worth a hoot.
The Evinrude does not get up to speed quite as fast, but once
there runs just as well as a Merc.

I fish a 22' Dory in the Ocean off the Oregon coast and I run an
88H.P. Evinrude.  It will troll ALL DAY without hesitating or
dying because of fouled plugs.  I can't say the same for my (now
retired) Merc 50 horse.

Just my $.02 worth ...

				Live to Fish, Fish to Live
				   'Fish Assassin' Mark

P.S.  Don't buy a Sears motor ... had one, built by a company named
      'ESKA'.  Biggest peice of sh*t I've ever owned.  Almost got
      me drowned one time when I was running the Zodiac out over
      the surf at Pacific City!
From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: nymph colors: fly tying
Date: 13 Nov 92 21:22:13 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <Nov12.205703.73337@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> trzyna@CS.ColoState.EDU (wayne trzyna) writes:
>In article <15443@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>> 
>>I don't recall what Randall Kaufmann (two nn's) he recommends but a flyfishing
>>buddy just dropped into my office and we came up with:
>>
>>natural
>>olive
>>gold
>>black
>>
>>but couldn't think of a fifth color worth tying.
>
>Natural could mean gray, beige, or brown.  So that make six colors.
 
Since the hare's ear is tied using a hare's mask for material I meant using
an un-dyed mask.  As with any "natural" hair or dubbing there is going to
be variety of colors, even from the same piece of material.  With the use
of hairline dubbing material and similar products color isn't really an
issue.  I think the thing the original author was mostly concerned about the
total number of flies he tied. 

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| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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From: russell@skid.uk.sun.com (Russell Bentley - Sun UK - Support Engineer)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: English Chalk Stream Fishing (cost of)
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:28:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: grapevin.1dmajqINNgib
Reply-To: russell@skid.uk.sun.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: skid.uk.sun.com


A little while ago someone dropped a comment along the lines of

	it's cheaper to fish in Montana for a week that on the Test for
	a day - flight included

That prompted the question of how much it costs to fish the Test et al.

Well, I recently came across an authoratative price guide for the best
English chalk streams.  For anyone thinking of holidaying here next
summer.....

Test		80-90
Itchen		Check with day ticket vendor
Kennet		25-30
Avon		20
Frome		15-50
Allen		42
Piddle		30-40

All prices are in pounds and are for one day fishing.

To put it into perspective, it is normal to pay 20 pounds for a day
ticket on a stocked stillwater.

Russ Bentley
From: plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Graphite vs Fiberglass Spinning rods
Date: 9 Nov 92 17:09:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Nov9.170914.21394
Organization: North Carolina State University

The discussion seems to be about 2-cents short, I'll add mine.
The original poster wanted advice regarding spinning rods 
(presumably for fresh water fishing) for himself and his kids.
I assume he is not going to be trolling for tuna, nor is he 
going to be pendulum casting 2-pound mullet heads for red drum, 
or even casting 2-oz spoons below a spillway.  (I wish I 
could catch multiple stripers below a spillway around here!).

I pretty much agree with the concensus.  If you are going to 
fish with a lure, you need to feel the take then set the 
hook.  You need a graphite (or boron) rod.  This will give 
you the sensetivity to detect a hit, the power to cast, and 
light weight so you can make 2,000 consecutive casts before 
the 10am coffee break.  Graphite rods are not expensive, you can 
get a fine rod for any application for well under $30.

If you are fishing with bait (and do not need to feel the take)
then consider fiberglass.  The slow action lets you gently toss 
a baited hook without throwing the bait off.  The slow action also 
permits use of light line.  A pro striper guide told me that he 
uses glass rods because he found that graphite rods tend to break 
in cold weather.  Also, some bass pro's (I think Rick Clunn and 
Hank Parker for instance) use glass rods for crankbait fishing. 
They think that graphite can be too sensetive, causing the angler 
to pull a lure away from a bass as he strikes.

You can get glass rods (Eagle Claw for example) dirt cheap. 
I don't know if the Fenwick glass rods are expensive, but I 
suspect they are.  I wouldn't spend a lot for a bait chucking rod.

			-Pat.
From: spikes@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Bill Spikes)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Small Outboard Advice Desired.
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:06:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA

You might want ask businesses that have more than one motor. They may
have something to add about which types last longest. In the Lake-of the-
Woods area in Canada, we always saw Mercs more than anything else. We were
told that when ya gotta keep 12-15 of these things running, quantity
pricing is not the most important thing. Keeping all the rentals running
trouble free throughout the season is real important. In L-o-t-W, a marina
with parts is sometimes over an hour away by boat. The Blue Lable is even
further! The resort/cabin owners have other stuff to do besides fooling
around with cranky/broken outboards.


Just another input.....


Bill
(feeder of fish)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: C.K.Black@massey.ac.nz (C.K. Black)
Subject: Re: TEL RODS
Summary: alternative?
Keywords: 6 pc. rods
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 00:26:09 GMT

G'day All,
In Message-ID: <1992Nov9.140937.13882@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, sofjan mustopoh
says and asks.....

>    Pack rod !!!
>  I have berkeley spirit 6 piece pack rod. 
>  it is 6'6" long and can be used as fly rod , but i never try
>  now my turn any body used this as fly rod. it seems to me that 
>  it is to stiff to be a fly rod. 
>  If somebody have done it . WHat line weight you use.

>  Thanks.
>  Muskie
>  Sofjan Mustopoh

I've got a similar 6 pc. Berkeley, a 'grayflite' and it works quite well
with a  5 WF floater.   It gets carried around in the pack as a spare for
the inevitable emergency,  like the time I went fishing with the empty
rod case  #@%*!.  Anyway, back to the original thread,  I bought the rod
as a replacement for a telescoping model that I trashed.  I'm reasonibly
pleased with it and would offer it as an alternative to telescoping rods
depending on what type of fishing you are after.  The only problem I have
with the rod is that the end tip section is so thin and wimpy that it scares
me every time I hook a good fish.  Guess that is the problem with a 6 pc.
rod and each section smaller than the last.  Cheers..........
-- 
Conrad Black 

Email... C.K.Black@massey.ac.nz
Snail... Massey U., Plant Sc. Dept., Palmerston North, New Zealand
From: kenf@uiuc.edu (Ken Fortenberry)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: 10x per hour was Re:  Small Outboard Advice Desired.
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:17:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BxnuGr.2H1
Reply-To: kenf@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


 rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor) writes:
> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> >Next year you'll take up flyfishing.  
> 
>  NEVER!  I catch ten times as many
> skamania steelheads per hour as the flyfishermen.  C & R, folks. -Roger
> 
Shoot, with a couple sticks of TNT and a nice long net I could catch
TWENTY times as many steelhead per hour as the hardware heavers. :-)

Seriously though, there is an intrinsic grace and beauty to the art of
flyfishing that transcends mere numbers of fish caught. Having heaved
my share of hardware I can say that personally I'd rather catch one, or
dare I say it, nary a fish while flyfishing than ten on a spinner or ten
thousand on live bait.

--
Ken Fortenberry                            | Internet: kenf@uiuc.edu
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | BITNET: KENF@UIUCVMD.BITNET
Computing & Communications Services Office | UUCP: uunet!uiuc.edu!kenf
1304 W. Springfield Ave.  Urbana, IL 61801 | Phone: (217) 244-3215
  My views do not necessarily reflect those of the University or CCSO.
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: ejk@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed Kubaitis - CCSO)
Subject: Re: Fishing in Illinois
Organization: University of Illinois - Urbana
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:15:21 GMT
Keywords: fishing in illinoid

abdg6870@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Alexander B Davis) writes:
  |
  |     I've been wondering where the best places to fish are in Central
  |Illinois (if there are any).  I'm living in Urbana, so the closest
  |places to me are the ones I'd be most interested in.

Kickapoo State Park west of Danville is my favorite < 30 minute away spot.
I've been going there since 85 and still haven't found all the good spots.
There's also Homer Lake and Lake of the Woods(Mahomet), both county FPD
parks.

Others worth a trip: Walnut Point in Douglas county, Dawson Lake/Moraine
View this side of Bloomington. Of course, if you have a boat there's 
Clinton & Shelbyville.

And for long weekends, don't forget Rend Lake is a few hours away,
and Kentucky Lake just a few hours past that (where people yawn about
about 1.5 lb crappie in late April/early May)

----------------------------------
Ed Kubaitis (ejk@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu)
Computing & Communications Services Office - University of Illinois, Urbana
From: chip@rrc.chevron.com (Chip Parham)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Call for Fishing Reports from California
Date: 5 Nov 92 17:33:27 GMT
Reply-To: chip@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

The only thing I've done this fall was to fish the O'Neil Forebay for stripers with Flyrod and float
tube.   The fishing was good this season with lots of 20 to 26 inch fish but no big ones until the
last day.  Two weeks ago I went out on a beautiful clear, wind free afternoon.  As soon as paddled
out the wind came up and almost blew me off the lake. About an hour later the wind calmed 
down some and I was able to cast again.  After about a half hour I nailed a 32 inch fish on a white
seducer pattern with red front and crystal hair trim fished deep.  I only caught four fish that day
but the big guy made the trip.  A typical day this fall was twenty to thirty fish in say four to five
hours.  Maybe four would be twenty inches or larger.  Six to eight would be fourteen to twenty
inches and the rest would be shakers.At this point with the wind up I'm going to hang it up till the
fall.  If you have a boat with trolling motor the forebay is still fishable.
From: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com (Joe Whittemore)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re:  Spinning Reels with two drag modes
Date: 12 Nov 92 21:31:42 GMT
Reply-To: jdw@sniff.wfo.dec.com.UUCP (Joe Whittemore)
Organization: LES Engineering in Westfield, Ma.

In article <1992Nov10.181400.4410@ALEX.ims.bellcore.com>,  fred@slayer.bellcore.com (Fred Anderson) writes:
|> 
|> I need some advice on what spinning reels I can use when 
|> drift fishing.
|> 
|> I would like a spinning reel which I could set the drag to 
|> act the same as above but be able to switch to a "real" drag
|> when a fish is on.
|> 
|> Does anyone know of any spinning reels and makes that provide
|> this function?

    The "BEST" - yes VERY BEST - spinning reel I've ever owned is a
    MITCHELL 5540 RD 'full control' reel. This reel has the standard
    rear-adjustment clutch drag assembly BUT has a 'trigger drag' in
    front of the post that clamps to the reel seat. This 'trigger' has
    a mechanical connection to the internal drag plates and when a
    strong fish hears for the next state you can catch the 'trigger'
    with your pointing finger, apply preasure (squeeze) and increase the
    drag preasure ie: put the breaks on.....

    There's only one problem; they went out of production after a very
    short marketing spell due to lack of volume sales ..... pitty; If
    I could get my hands on TEN of them I'd buy every single one.....

--
Joe Whittemore - From where the Westfield
                      Meets the Westfield
                         By the Westfield
                            In Huntington (MA)

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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: nymph colors: fly tying
Date: 12 Nov 92 00:15:59 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Nov11.145659.3182@csservices.Princeton.EDU> jmd@cs.Princeton.EDU writes:
>
>Hello,
>
>I'm trying to build up a balanced collection of kaufman hare's-ear nymphs
>(9 a night, so far!). Kaufman recomends tying them in 5 colors and 5 sizes
>(10-18). Unfortunately, he neglects to say what the 5 colors are. I have
>dubbing in 11 colors, but I am sort of hoping that I can get away with
>tying only 75 nymphs (5 colors * 5 sizes * 3 of each) instead of 165 nymphs
>(11 colors * 5 sizes * 3 of each).
>
>So, would anybody care to suggest what colors should be useful? It is OK with
>me if you don't think 5 is a magic number for colors...
 
I don't recall what Randall Kaufmann (two nn's) he recommends but a flyfishing
buddy just dropped into my office and we came up with:

natural
olive
gold
black

but couldn't think of a fifth color worth tying.  I would probably tie
four of each and tie only a couple 18's and 10's.  Remember this is 
a searching pattern.  Once you find the right color and size there could
be other flys in your box of the same size that work as well.

-- 
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| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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From: johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Small Outboard Advice Desired.
Keywords: TOP TEN
Date: 12 Nov 92 19:12:12 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc.

In article <BxM0Mo.5x1@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> rtaylor@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Roger Taylor) writes:
>johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
|
|>I don't know about motors but I've figured that you have to spend around
|>$500 on gear before you catch your first steelhead.
|
|	WHAT?
|
|>First you need, a graphite rod and level wind reel (that is, if you're
|>going the cheap route and not flyfishing).  $160 minimum.  
|
|	8 foot graphite steelhead rod $40, Good spinning reel $40
 
You really need to get out and do some more fishing.  My article was
pure satire.  Sorry, I don't do smileys.

-- 
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| John Fereira        | Auspex Systems | "Ask me about my vow of silence." |
| johnf@auspex.com    | Santa Clara CA |                                   |
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From: plheron@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Small Outboard Advice Desired.
Keywords: TOP TEN
Date: 5 Nov 92 15:16:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: ncsu.1992Nov5.151606.14703
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Nov5.000945.5510@mlb.semi.harris.com>, jphillip@comanche.ess.harris.com (John Phillips) writes:
|> Here's my top ten outboard manufacturers
|> 
|> 1. Johnson/Evinrude
|> 2. Johnson/Evinrude
|> 3. Johnson/Evinrude
|> 4. Johnson/Evinrude
|> 5. Johnson/Evinrude
|> 6. Johnson/Evinrude
|> 7. Johnson/Evinrude
|> 8. Mercury/Mariner
|> 8. Mercury/Mariner
|> 10. Yamaha

John, 

Although I respect your opinion, and you undoubtably have 
more experience with small outboards than I, based upon the 
body of advice I have recieved you have written your list 
exactly upside-down.  I guess it all comes down to subjective 
opinion, i.e. are redheads are brunettes superior?, 
GMC or Ford or Toyota...

I ended up with a '93 Mercury 15hp, got it for $1700.
Fish beware, you are on notice!!!

			-Pat.
		        plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu

p.s. The news traffic seems to have subsided.  Is it getting 
     too cold for you guys, or are you just working that hard?
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: cli@netcom.com (Concurrent Logic Inc)
Subject: Re: Patterns
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 05:38:22 GMT

In article <15317@auspex-gw.auspex.com> johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
>In article <1992Oct30.154955.2314@samba.oit.unc.edu> Frank.Hampshire@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Frank Hampshire) writes:
>>Is there a data base or something with fly patterns in it?
>>

Somebody posted some recipes a few years ago, trying to drum up enough
interest to get others to do the same.  It contained some PostScript
formatting so that it wouuld print out nicely.  I don't think it ever
caught on.  I think I still have some of those files somewhere.  I'll see
if I can dig it up.

> 
>As a matter of fact, I've seen a database of patterns for sale in one of
>the fishing magazines I have.  I'll have to look it up though.  He wanted
>about $60 for it.  I've thought about doing something like this as well.  
>It be real nice to have a cross-referenced list that one could search based on 
>various keywords:
>
>Show me a list of patterns which work best on the McCloud River in August.
>After selecting from the list you could bring up a pattern with the tying
>instructions, and a Scanned photo of a finished fly.
>-- 
I think I saw something demo'd at one of the local sports shows by
Trout Unlimited that ran on a Mac which worked in the way you described.
You might check with them.

Scott Evans
scott@clogic.com
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
From: keith@clodii.Columbia.NCR.COM (Keith Boyd)
Subject: Re: Small Outboard Advice Desired.
Keywords: TOP TEN
Organization: NCR E&M Columbia SC
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 20:58:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.151606.14703@ncsu.edu> plheron@eos.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:
>

[Stuff about motors deleted]

>I ended up with a '93 Mercury 15hp, got it for $1700.
>Fish beware, you are on notice!!!
>

Nice motor, but do you really think the fish care how much you spent??

>			-Pat.
>		        plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu
>
>p.s. The news traffic seems to have subsided.  Is it getting 
>     too cold for you guys, or are you just working that hard?
>
>

Maybe it's because some of the people on the net, like myself, have traded
in their fishing rod for their hunting rifle and gone after more exciting
game! ;-) 

-- 
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| 3325 Platt Springs Rd.          |    and fishin' in South Carolina! -Me-   | 
| West Cola., S.C. 29170 |  Go Volunteers!   | keith.boyd@columbiasc.NCR.COM |
| Vp: 803-791-6419 or 6455    | From uunet: uunet!ncrcom!ncrcae!clodii!keith |
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: sm motors
From: jtmoni@redfsh
Date: 11 Nov 92 04:34:31 GMT
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In article <aharris.720935115@cunews>, aharris@alfred.carleton.ca (Andrew Harris) writes:
> I concur - Andrew
> 

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