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From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Hall of SHAME nomination?
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 12:23:45 GMT

In article <1992Sep12.153852.14374@bnr.ca> Jeff Hammond,
jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA writes:
>	Opening night of league and boy did I stink.
>178 - 165 - 158    501 series.

You know, just out of curiosity, I took an informal survey last week (for
most
leagues the first week of winter league) and (all disclaimers apply), I
noticed
something kinda strange...(survey taken at two local houses in the
area)...

For the first week,

1. Almost EVERYONE with 190 or better averages did not bowl their average.
2. Almost EVERYONE with 150 or less averages bowled ABOVE their average.

Does this mean:

1.  Next (this) weeks bowling will be an interesting week for handicaps?
2.  Something happened while I was asleep, and this is going to be a LONG
     season?

hmmmm......

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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From: pgleason@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Pat Gleason)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: HEADS UP EVERYONE!
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:53:03 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Sep14.204445.2908@worldbank.org> aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org (aki) writes:

My $0.02....

>First, I think in all fairness, I should receive the
>money (certified check or money order would be
>best) before I order.  
  I totally agree.

>So it looks like the average shipping cost is around
>8-10 dollars and about 5 days shipping. 
   Sounds fair.
 
>BTW...on another note, I'm working with a local sports shop
>here that used to have a pro shop into taking orders directly
>from the distributor and mailing the ball directly to your
>house.
  Would this be for "existing" balls? (Black Rhino Pro, for example?)

>More on this if it ever jells.
  Please do!

>Now...the BIG question is...just WHY am I DOING this?? ;-) ...
  Because you're a hell of a nice guy!!  
Thanks much for the update!  
-- 
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From: bkg@ssd.kodak.com (Ben K Gibson)
Subject: re: Hall of Shame
Originator: bkg@earth
Organization: Eastman Kodak
Distribution: usa]
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 12:44:11 GMT

Firstly,

Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo 555 series. Are you so good that you need to tell the net
world that a 555 is a bad series. I would bet that most of us would not 
consider that to be bad. Even for us scratch bowlers. For some that may
be a first and certainly worthy of the honor roll. The ABC national average
for men is around 160 (480 series). Bowling is great!
 
BTW: Kudos to Anne Locke for providing the "shoehorn" for Helping Aki
get his "foot out of his mouth." I'm sure that a "GIRL who bowled..."
would have been stated more inclusively, i.e "person who bowled..."
or more respectfully, "The lady (or woman)..." If his ego wasn't bruised
just a tad!

Ben
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: aki <aki@atlas.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Good Ball for *Very* Dry Lanes?
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 20:03:18 GMT

In article <23283@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> Anne Locke,
locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com writes:
>Like the subject says, I'm looking for suggestions for a harder ball for
>*extremely* dry conditions.  I currently use a black u-dot and last nite
>I couldn't keep the dang thing on the lanes.  I bowled 4 games yesterday
>morning at the same house with fairly good results, but by the time my
>8:30 league rolled around it was as if someone had sanded the lanes down!
>

hmmm..DRY lanes? What's that?  just kidding...well...obviously you would
want a harder ball..

A pearl Hammer (polished up) would give you the urethane drive into
the pocket with less break.

A white dot (polished) would also do the trick if money is an issue.

A black Knight is also a favorite on dry lanes (it's very hard) and CHEAP!

It really depends on (1) how hard to you throw the ball? (2) do you bowl
fingertip (I assume you do) and (3) how much do you crank the ball?

You may be able to correct some of the problems with your ball breaking
too much by just taking your ball and putting it through the polisher
(unless
of course you use that ball in another league with wetter conditions). 
Also
increasing the speed and less lift and turn on the ball to reduce the
rotation
also helps.

If none of the above is acceptable you will probably have to go to a
harder
ball or a ball drilled with positive weight to force the ball to "hang"
outside
longer before it breaks.

Any comments from the net?

-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
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"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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From: dfo@csi.compuserve.com (Duane Ott)
Subject: Re: lessons/PBC ( was $ $ $  a factor)
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:59:38 GMT

In article <wperz.8.715640476@edc3jr.gpsh.pitt.edu> wperz@edc3jr.gpsh.pitt.edu (Walter G. Perz) writes:
>In article <Bu0sFK.916@csi.compuserve.com> dfo@csi.compuserve.com (Duane Ott) writes:
>>...
>>I've attended the week-long PBC camp twice. The first time (8 years after
>What is this?  When/where is it held?  What do they teach?
>
>More info, if you please!  :-)

Professional Bowling Camps, Inc. has been around for about 15 years. They 
conduct a series of 6-day instructional clinics at various locations
around the U.S.: California, Las Vegas, Ohio, Connecticut, etc. Mostly in
the summer. 

The camps were originally directed by one of the greatest bowlers of all 
time, Don Johnson. For the past several years the director has been Sam
Baca, former PBA lane maintenance director.

There are separate camps for adults and juniors, and for higher-average
bowlers (over 185) and lower-average people. The junior camps are run by
women's hall-of-famer Pat Costello.

The camp makes extensive use of videotape analysis and lectures. The "basic"
camp works primarily on the physical game and things like spare shooting,
while the advanced camp works extensively on reading and playing various 
angles, plus topics like ball balance and construction.

Be warned: the camp is not cheap. Last year's rate was $850, including
2 meals per day, but not including accommodations. Fortunately, I live
about 3 miles from the house where they hold their Ohio camp.

If you can afford it, I recommend it enthusiastically. Call 1-800-765-6610
for a brochure. The owner is a great lady named Julie Emerson. If you talk
to her, be sure to mention me.
From: wperz@edc3jr.gpsh.pitt.edu (Walter G. Perz)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: followup to my post on ball orders..
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:04:38 GMT
Organization: Smoking Research Group, University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Sep7.154550.8485@worldbank.org> aki@nimbus@UUNET.UU.NET writes:

>every order limits the total amount of balls that can be ordered, I
>will accept the first EM's I receive as first come first serve.  I'll
[...]
>Regards,
>
>-aki

Sounds great, but some of us poor souls only have posting rights, and not 
mailing rights.  (my address is an alias to a friend's account on the net).

Will you consider also posts responding to your postings?

TTFN

Walter
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From: aki <aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org>
Subject: Re: Lanes & Baby Powder
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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:31:59 GMT

In article <1992Sep15.173519.11942@delfin.com> Anton Pintar, antonp@delfin.com
writes:
>I don't feel that baby powder is a problem and should be probited from
>bowling alleys rather that bowlers who abuse it should.

I agree, if you want to use a legal aid to help your release then I see
no problem as long as (1) it doesn't affect MY equipment/game (2)
it's not placed anywhere NEAR the pit area where someone else
may trip, step or otherwise be exposed to it in a manner that might
affect THEIR game.

As far as using baby powder on your hands,  I see alot of people use
it on their thumb due to "sticking".  Most people don't realize that
the natural property (and original purpose) of baby powder is to
absorb mosture.  One characteristic of baby powder is to "ball up"
once it's absorbed this moisture.  This is to draw away the moisture
away from the body (which it is intended to do to the baby).  What
essentually happens is that the baby powder "gunk" causes MORE
friction in the thumbhole which in turn the bowler adds MORE
powder to offset this and the vicious circle begins.  More powder
more gunk, more gunk, more powder etc etc etc.  What I use whenever
my thumb starts to stick (and what I see alot of bowlers use) is
chapstick.  Buy a small tube (the lip stick style) and rub a VERY
small amount on the *BACK* of your thumb or the sides if thats
where it's rubbing.  I guarentee you, your thumb WILL NOT stick!
Some pro shops are now selling a bowlers version of chapstick at
a slightly higher cost that chapstick.  I'd just recommend buying
chapstick.  The tube will last years.  No muss, no fuss and usually
one (or two) applications on the ole thumb will be all you need
for the entire night.


-Aki
The Worldbank Wash. D.C.
E-mail: aki@akidamme-233324.worldbank.org
(202)458-1112
DoD 0628
PBA 2294
*************************************
"How come the best bowling ball for
me is always the one I don't own?"
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: 7-10 split..... picked-up.
Keywords: split
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:22:31 GMT

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From: mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Al Flores
Followup-To: alt.sport.bowling
Date: 7 Sep 1992 21:40:09 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: lightning.berkeley.edu
Summary: where is he?
Keywords: Al Flores; Al's Pro Shop, Wilmington, CA

Sorry if this gets out of the ca distribution...

Does anyone out there know of the whereabouts of Alfred R. Flores,
former owner of Al's Pro Shop in Wilmington, CA?  He used to be my
ball driller when I was living down there.  I think it was 2 years ago
come Thanksgiving when his shop burned down, and though I've tried a
couple of times to find out how he's doing, I nor anyone else I know
knows how to contact him.  All I knew was that he was living in the
Buena Park/Cerritos/Stanton area.  So if you know where Al is, drop me
e-mail; and if you do actually see him, tell him 'hi' for me and that
I'd like to get in touch.  Thanks in advance for the help...

	-- Mark   mafu@ocf.berkeley.edu
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From: c9a-az@po.berkeley.edu (Mark Fujimoto)
Subject: Re: Lanes & Baby Powder
Organization: University of California, at Berkeley
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:58:29 GMT


In article <1992Sep15.173519.11942@delfin.com> antonp@delfin.com (Anton Pintar) writes:
>I don't have a problem with people using aids such as talc or resin - just
>as long as they use them in a prudent manner.

Definitely agreed.

>I occasionally use baby powder but ONLY as an aid to improve my release.

If you don't want to be included into the "baby powder abusers group", 
try using Chap-Stik.  Just a swipe on the back of the thumb and you're 
home-free.  Plus, it's neat, clean, and conveniently stored in your bag.

>I do this only when my thumb swells and the ball starts to hang on a bit
>too long during my release (usually resulting in a full or nearly full
>roller - yuck - what I wouldn't give to have a Manhattan Rubber lining
>for my thumb hole).  Any way, when I apply the baby powder I do so away 

If you like the smoothness/slickness of certain bowling balls like the 
Manhattan, try sanding out the holes with 400-600 grit wet/dry and water.  
This will leave the holes as smooth as glass.  Before you attempt to bowl
again with the ball, be sure to let the holes dry out first!
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Bowling software
Date: 8 Sep 92 23:17:23 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division


Since the question is raised again I will post my last note on the software
I found....

Bowl101
by Randy Stowe
1229 Newburg rd
Fortuna,  Ca  95540

BBS: (707) 725-9745

You can logon and get the shareware version of the software from the BBS.

FAX: (707) 725-1334
Office: (707)-725-9750 3:30 - 9:30  P.M. P.S.T

the software is well written and additions are being made.  I have no 
affiliations to Randy other than a happy customer....

Dave
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From: antonp@delfin.com (Anton Pintar)
Subject: Re: Lanes & Baby Powder
Organization: Delfin Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:35:19 GMT



I agree wholly with concern expressed about the application of talc and
other substances to shoes and/or approaches.  The use of substances to
improve ones slide must be carefully considered as they affect the other
bowlers using these lanes as well.

I don't feel that baby powder is a problem and should be probited from
bowling alleys rather that bowlers who abuse it should.

I occasionally use baby powder but ONLY as an aid to improve my release.
I do this only when my thumb swells and the ball starts to hang on a bit
too long during my release (usually resulting in a full or nearly full
roller - yuck - what I wouldn't give to have a Manhattan Rubber lining
for my thumb hole).  Any way, when I apply the baby powder I do so away 
from the settee (sp?) area and in a careful manner so as not to spill it on 
the floor or create a "fog" (a little does go a long way).  My point is
that not all bowlers who use baby powder treat it like saw dust at a 
square dance.

I do see a problem in the general attitude of bowlers towards the use of
"bowling aids" in the settee area - specifically resin/talc bags.  I can't 
count the number of times the settee area has been dusted by resin/talc bag 
"jugglers" (they give it a few good tosses before they pick up their ball) 
and "hurlers" (they give it a good throw at the scoring equipment or 
chairs after a poor shot).  I've gone to pick up my ball after these mindless 
acts only to find that the floor and bowling balls are coverd with resin/talc.

I don't have a problem with people using aids such as talc or resin - just
as long as they use them in a prudent manner.


--
Anton Pintar                Delfin Systems      408-734-2400
antonp@delfin.com           Sunnyvale, CA
From: locke@4ccvw54.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
Subject: Re: Hall of SHAME nomination?
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:42:56 GMT
Reply-To: locke@caesi.scg.hac.com (Anne Locke)
Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA

In article <1992Sep11.143703.27955@worldbank.org> aki@atlas.worldbank.org (aki) writes:
>
>Well, boys and girls...
>
>Last night was my first night for my Thursday night league..
>I hearby nominate myself for the Hall of SHAME..
>
>GAWD did I bowl bad! :-(
>
>167..
>190...
>198..
>
>555 set...
>
>and to add insult to injury, a girl throwing a straight ball on the
                                ^^^^            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>other team shot a 699!...
>
>-Aki,

So what bothered you... the fact that it was a GIRL or that she threw
a STRAIGHT ball?  Or both?  Isn't bowling great?  

;-)

Anne.

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From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: Team USA and Olympic Bowling
Followup-To: New season and my bowling ball
Keywords: New season and bowling ball 
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1992 12:34:23 GMT

	Well I stand corrected. Last week I said that I had a purple
rhino, well when I decided it was time to practice (after a years lay off)
I discovered a purple hammer in the ol' bag.
	After this amazing discovery I then realized what I didn't like 
about the ball. It dies at the back end, I mean flat out dies at the pocket.
I used a Johnny Petraligia (sp) lt-48 for many years and loved it. Now they
don't make the soft rubber any more (bummer). 
	What would be a comparable urathene ball or is it just me that
can't seem to get any crunch at the back end off my hammer.
	Any way practice went poor till good (156 - 173 - 202) so guess
I'm ready for another year. Sure am looking forward this group and all
the valuable info to be gained (i.e. aki and others).

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mss	     | of my employer or any other person|           \ | /            
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is that of the individual. The   |---------------|            /|\
only true individual is one      |    GO!!!      |           / | \
who knows his place in the cosmos|   COWBOYS     |         |/_ | _\|
and seeks to extend it. jjh      |    BILLS      |             |
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: 7-10 split..... picked-up.
Keywords: split
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 12:23:28 GMT

	FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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jeffh@bnr.ca | My opinions do not represent those|            /|\
mss	     | of my employer or any other person|           \ | /            
-------------|-------------------- I know.       |            \|/
The only true power of the universe| SO THERE!   |<------------+------------>
is that of the individual. The   |---------------|            /|\
only true individual is one      |    GO!!!      |           / | \
who knows his place in the cosmos|   COWBOYS     |         |/_ | _\|
and seeks to extend it. jjh      |    BILLS      |             |
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Newsgroups: alt.sport.bowling
From: fleck@col.hp.com (Dave Fleck)
Subject: an aki thought he had it bad...
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 16:32:29 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division


Well.. I topped aki's 559...  picture a nice dry shot.. crashing hard on 
the 7 pin if you didn't throw it hard enough....(rightie of course...)

then imagine this....  first game... 134 (lowest in awhile)
then..... 102 ( 51 in the 7th... time for a beer...)
finally I turned it around and got back to normal... 201  437... yee haw!
(nice handicap though!!  should be fun next week!)

Just a small note... we have a gentleman on our team that is a coach and
he had me trying something totally foriegn during the first 2 games and
I suffered majorly....  I went back to my game and things went back to
normal...  

Moral of my story... don't listen to anybody unless you are practicing!

I have always used the arrows and pretty much ignored the dots that are 5ft
out on the lanes... he had me trying to line up the dots and the arrows to
get the right angle... nice idea.. poor timing...  I would imagine everyone
else on the net uses this method... am I right?

Dave "Beer's never helped before" Fleck
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