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From: shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Subject: Re: What is the 14th Amendment?
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Date:  6 JAN 93 15:00:23 EST


In article <93006.28932.J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>,
J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes...

>   I've seen too many people here who claim to understand the Constitution
>also state that Colorado's Amendment 2 violates the 14th Amendment to the U.S.
>Constitution.  Well, it doesn't.

>   Back in the Civil War era (Civil War?  There's an oxymoron), rights were
>being systematically denied to blacks by state and local governments. 

Which part of this era are you referring to?

As I recall, prior to the war blacks were considered chattle, not people, and
as such not subject to any rights under the constitution. 

What the results of the war were was that the chattle designation was removed.

Regards,
Steve.

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From: mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz)
Subject: Re: Bush's Pardons
Organization: Portal Communications Company
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 09:25:47 GMT

William Crosmun (crosmun@crosmun.rtp.dg.com) wrote:
: In article <C0GIzL.M6x@unix.portal.com> mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz) writes:
: >
: >You on the other hand are saying that "criminals" have no rights to fair
: >trial.  The special "persecutor" is above the law, right?  Boy, put this
: >prosecutor on your tail and you would scream, especially if you were innocent.
: >
: >As for Nixon, he and his cronies defrauded taxpayers of $$$ and pocketed
: >the money.  Ollie North didn't exactly keep that $30 million for himself.
: 
: Nixon was accused of a number of things but I don't remember him ever being accused
: of embezzling tax money.  The crime was a breaking and entering by members of the
: Committee to Reelect the President (CREEP).  Breaking and entering is a criminal
: offense and not to be tolerated by any official for any reason.  Nixon's tolerance
: of it on the grounds that it was just politics, and his trying to obstruct the
: prosecution of it were what eventually led to his resignation.  Whatever you may
: think of Nixon, his policies, or his take on the Watergate break-in, don't think
: that he was defrauding taxpayers and pocketing the money.  He wasn't that crooked.
: 

Nixon used taxpayer's money to put a swimming pool into the san clemente 
white house.  His reasoning was that the pool helped the secret service
agents stay at top form.  What did Spiro Agnew get convicted of (by the
state of Maryland)?  Nixon would have been impeached purely for the coverup
and for obstruction of justice - he was caught on tape giving orders to
obstruct justice, and the tape made it clear he knew he was obstructing
justice.  It also isn't clear where his slush funds, etc., came frome.

But being a crooked politician is not new.  Richard J. Daley Sr. was mayor
of Chicago for like 30 years, and he was a crook.  The Keating 5 are all
crooks and they get reelected.  Barney Frank got caught with a male prostitution
ring run from his home (supposedly by his roommate).  Ted Kennedy (you name
it).

: 
: ===============================================================================
: 
: William Crosmun
: crosmun@dg-rtp.dg.com
: 
: ===============================================================================
: "Thanksgiving Day.  In the days of our  founders, they  were  willing to give
:  thanks for mighty little, for mighty little was all they expected.  But now,
:  neither government nor  nature  can  give  enough but what we think it's too
:  little.  Those old boys  in  the fall of the year, if they could gather in a
:  few pumpkins, potatoes and some corn for the winter, they were in a thanking
:  mood.  If we can't gather in a new  Buick, a  new  radio, a  tuxedo and some 
:  government relief, why, we feel that the world is against us."
: 
: 												Will Rogers
: 
: ===============================================================================

I like your .sig, it is very appropriate.
From: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Don Wiggins)
Subject: Re: Summary Thu 12/31/92
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: world,usa,alt,na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 20:08:39 GMT

catstyle@cathouse.aiss.uiuc.edu (Jason R. Heimbaugh) writes:

>In article <1993Jan6.173424.6259@netcom.com> jrs@netcom.com (John Switzer)  
>writes:
>> Unofficial Summary of the Rush Limbaugh Show
>> for Thursday, December 31, 1992
>> by John Switzer

>Hey, a full year of Rush transcripts takes up 10 MB of disk space.  What a  
>nice round number and complete waste of your time reading this.

Even though I disagree with your analysis, I appreciate the fact that
someone posted something here that actually belongs here.  Way to go.

|===========================================================================|
|Don Wiggins, German-Irish-American    | Success is getting what you want.  |
| & Advance Scout for the Baby Boomers | Happiness is wanting what you get. |
|Internet: wiggins@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu |     -- Brother Dave Gardner        |
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From: an5411@anon.penet.fi
Subject: On campus PC requires Anon postings (fwd)
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:49:56 GMT


I have decided to start posting through an anon source because
of speach codes at the university at which I am employed.  A friend,
who happens to be a constiutional lawyer, suggested that I was in voilation
of university speech codes after reading several postings.

On to business.

Rumor has it that Donna Shalalala ( soon to be head of HHS ) will not
face any challenge during her confirmation hearing.  The religious
right wanted to play up her homosexuality, but republican leaders
rightfully decided against this.  Ms. Shalala is one of the few strong
targets republicans have because of her involvement at U of W ( Madison ).
She is the high priestest of PCness.  Under her leadership, U of W
enacted speech codes which violate students 1st amendment rights.  The
same speak codes that are forcing me to use anon postings.  This point
should be used to damage Ms. Shalala without mention of her sexual 
preference.  I know some people will flame me on leaving out sexuality,
but it is dumb politics!  

She must be attacked to the point that it attracts major news coverage.

Your views are greatly appreciated ( in a spirit of non-PC ).

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: Conservative Values (Re: New group proposal:  alt.conservative.forum)
Originator: rja@mahogany126
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Date: 4 Jan 93 11:24:19 CST


In <C02Mws.CtK@unix.portal.com>, mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz) writes:
> Mike Jones (mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com) wrote:
> : mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz) writes:

> : :                                        The most successful governmental
> : : economic policies in this century, known as trickle-down, were a Kemp/Reagan
> : : implementation.  Reagan's terms not only produced enormous prosperity and
> : : growth, but year after year the debt and defecit as a percentage of
> : : GDP _decreased_ (source: Milton Friedman, interviewd on Wall Street Week).
> :
> : This claim is so vague as to be meaningless. It is true that you can pick
> : starting and ending points to illustrate this fact, but there's no independent
> : reason to pick those points. If you take "the 80's" (1980-1989), or "the
> : Reagan years (1980-1988), that isn't a true statement. (I'll welcome FACTS
> : to prove me wrong, because I don't have the numbers handy.) The growth was
> : largely fueled by massive increases in public and private debt, which has
> : been very much responsible for the mess we're in now.
>
> I did not video tape Wall Street Week, nor do I have a transcript of it.
> The best of my recollection is what I wrote.  I apologize for saying that
> the DEBT decreased.  But the defecit did indeed decrease.  Since you ask
> me to do your research for you, I will provide you with the data, as found
> in my 1992 Universal Almanac.  All dollar figures are in BILLIONS.
>
> 1980 GNP 2732.0, defecit = 73.8, %GNP = .0270
> 1985 GNP 4014.9, defecit = 212.3, %GNP = .0529
> 1987 GNP 4536.7, defecit = 148.0, %GNP = .0327
> 1988 GNP 4864.3, defecit = 155.1, %GNP = .0319
> 1989 GNP 5200.8, defecit = 152.0, %GNP = .0292

Mike, unless you plan on arguing that .0270 > .0292, you just disproved your
own assertion.

The deficit as a percentage of GNP was higher at the end of the 1980's than
it was at the start of the 1980's.

-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
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From: mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz)
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2
Organization: Portal Communications Company
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 11:10:35 GMT

William C. Barwell (popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com) wrote:
: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:
: 
: >  Once again I think we need to look at the basics of CO Amend. 2.  This amend
: > is a direct result of several cities passing 'Gay Protection' laws.  So, what
: > does the state do?  It passes a LAW to outlaw the other laws.  Does this soun
: > strange to you?  As a conservative, I am for smaller government (fewer laws o
: > more substance).  So why is it that the conservatives have enacted this new
: > law?  It would have been smarter to attack the liberal cities to get rid of
: > the first laws.  The CO2 approach is wrong for conservatives, and it sends th
: > wrong message to radical liberals ( Queer Nations ).  The way to fight radica
: > liberalism is not to adopt their tactics ( more laws ), but to go after their
: > silly laws as they are.
: >  I know that the cities are more liberal than the state, but there must be 
: > other ways for the state to put pressure on the cities ( state funds ? ).
: > 
: > 
: > 
: > 
: 
: 
: If voting for laws that stops the process of people losing rights and 
: being treated as second class citizens is "Radical Liberalism", then 
: B'God, let's have more of it!  More Rights for everyone, or........?
: 

Laws won't change anything.  Laws protecting blacks have only allowed a
small percentage any real success, and all statistical evidence is that
blacks do live like 2nd class citizens.  I can start with unemployment
rats, income, and health statistics to prove it.  

: 
: 
: Pope Charles    SubGenius Pope Of Houston    More Slack for everybody!
: 
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From: philipla@microsoft.com (Phil Lafornara)
Subject: Re: Bush's Pardons
Date: 13 Jan 93 01:49:08 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

In article <1993Jan12.140912.6853@dg-rtp.dg.com> crosmun@crosmun.rtp.dg.com (William Crosmun) writes:
>In article <9PJZwB9w165w@unkaphaed.gbdata.com> popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell) writes:
>>gerberrl@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Richard L. Gerberding) writes:
>
>>date, tho' Ollie and Poindexter slipped the noose due to the help of 
>>Conservatives in Congress with their ill advised "immunity".   Experts 
>>said that would make it hard to convict and they were right, damn it.
>>  But in the end, Walsh caught Weinberger RED HANDED.  The bastard stated 
>>under oath more than once he did not have notes, while he indeed did.
>
>(Sharp intake of breath as we realize the magnitude of the crime) Weinberger 
>said he did not have notes!! And he did!!  String him up!!

    He lied under oath.  It's called perjury.  Conservative, Liberal,
whatever you happen to be, it's the same crime.  In this case, though,
it's a crime that's going to go unpunished.



>  But wait, didn't 
>Clinton say on national TV that he would push for a middle class tax cut, 
>would halve the deficit in four years, and would not raise taxes on the middle
>class?  How come lying to Congress is so heinous but lying to the American people
>isn't?  

     Clinton wasn't under oath.

			-Phil
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From: john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore)
Subject: Re: Conservative?  Hahaha....
Reply-To: john@anasazi.com
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Arizona USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 05:17:43 GMT

Keywords: 

In article <1993Jan6.173043.9393@kadsma.kodak.com> pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes:
]In article <ZsowwB1w165w@major.panix.com> dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:
]>pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek) writes:
]>
]>> So we now have, in Colorado, for the first time since slavery
]>> was abolished, a situation in which discrimination against
]>> a person, on grounds which are extraneous to the situation at hand,
]>> is now sanctioned by the state, in that the discriminatee is
]>> explicitly denied the equal protection of the law.
]>
]>That's a point that legal scholars have been bouncing back and forth for
]>decades. Does "equal protection under law" mean that laws must be
]>created to specifically protect each and every group?
]
]I would think not, unless a case can be made that a historical pattern
]of discrimination exists.
]
Another issue is whether the government should limit discrimination in
private commerce or only in public (ie governmental) action. Of course,
today we have a government that blatantly discriminates against
certain groups (white males, asians) in favor of certain other groups
(blacks, indians, women, veterans.... hmmmm, I'm a white male veteran...
I wonder if I win or lose in this great scramble for goodies?).

]Gays aren't calling for the use of the word 'fag' to be made illegal.
]What they're asking for is the right to compete for jobs, housing, and
]so on without having to deal with being turned down *simply because
]they're gay*. I doubt that many people have been refused employment
]on the grounds that they were left-handed. The 'Cracker Barrel'
How many people have been turned down because they were overweight?
Should we have special laws for them? Where does it end... do we
end up with a situation where every decision of every private person
is subject to regulation and lawsuit because it MIGHT be motivated
by some politically incorrect discrimination?

]restaurant chain, however, flatly states that they will deny
]employment to any and all gay applicants, strictly on those grounds.
Hm, considering the high rate of AIDS in the gay community compared
to that in most other groups, maybe they aren't so stupid in doing so.

-- 
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From: shapiro@cfsctc.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro)
Subject: Re: GULF WAR I: THE MINISERIES
Organisation: SKS Computer Consulting, Inc.
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - Marlboro, MA
Date:  7 JAN 93 10:44:51 EST


In article <1993Jan7.084204.4913@memstvx1.memst.edu>,
kebarnes@memstvx1.memst.edu writes...

>EIB Productions presents
>GULF WAR I: THE MINISERIES

>RATED PG-13
>From EIB PRODUCTIONS..."

2 thumbs up! Says Steve Shapiro!! 8-)

Regards,
Steve.

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From: budd@playfair.Stanford.EDU (David Budd)
Subject: Re: Borgy Boy's squeals
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:28:52 GMT

In article <ksw7wB10w165w@unkaphaed.gbdata.com> popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com (William C. Barwell) writes:
>Gee Borgy Boy, you sure hate Clinton don't ya.  Well he is going to be 
>president in a few short days for 4 whole years at least.  Can ya dig it!
>4 very lonnnnnnnnnnnng years.

you sure have got that right.

> And if he is half way competent, and there is no reason to suspect not,

in fact, there is EVERY indication that he will be just that.
half way competent.

>
>
>Have you thought about immigrating?
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^

say what? immigrating? i think that the poster is already here.
>
>
>Pope charles
>
>--



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"You can always tell a Harvard man. You just can't tell him very much."
"A day without sun is night."
Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Re: Abortion is poverty control, to some extent.
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 21:23:35 GMT

In article <93010.135236KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> Kurt Ludwick <KEL111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>In article <unhealth.726544894@mcl>, unhealth@mcl.ucsb.edu (Kristian Dunn) says:
>
>>        Republican Anglo-Danish Male. But one of my only bones of content with
>>        Rush, is his inability to understand that abortion should be tolerated
>>        since it kills many more children that would likely live in ghettos,
>>        commit crime, and then become fourth generation welfare recipients!
>>        [...]
>
>I think this is a joke.  I sure hope it is.
>
>'Illustrating absurdity by being absurd?'


	Most abortions are performed on middle to upper middle class
	white females.  The notion that keeping federal dollars from
	paying for abortion is meant to cut down on abortions (one
	often promoted by feminists--"Look how those evil white men are
	oppressing the female poor!") is preposterous.



-- 
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From: nfs@volkl (Norbert Schlenker)
Subject: Re: Conservative Values
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Department of Computer Science, Princeton University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:13:13 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.095927.15301@hemlock.cray.com> rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.232941.17860@news.columbia.edu>, rj24@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert  Johnston) writes:
>> Anyone have any idea what the deficit really was for the past fiscal year?
>> Not including various manipulations to make things look better in an
>> election year, of course.
>
>For FY 1992 (which ended Sept 30, 1992) the deficit was $290 Billion.

Yes, if you accept the phoney baloney numbers that the feds put out in
press releases.  I prefer to use real numbers, like the change in the
Treasury's gross public debt over the same period.  For technical
reasons (i.e. the fact that most citizens can't subtract), the feds
don't bother to lie about the gross public debt figure.  Simple
arithmetic, however, discloses that the FY 1992 deficit was really
$387 billion.

>I think the estimate for 1993 is ~$340 Billion.

They wish.

>Bush just announced the budget projections for 1994 & 1995.  The
>deficit will be over $300 Billion each year.

And he's right.  The lie comes when he further asserts that it will
be under $350 billion each year.

Norbert
nfs@cs.princeton.edu
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From: mykes@shell.portal.com (mike myke schwartz)
Subject: Re: WHY DOES RUSH MISPRONOUNCE NAMES?
Organization: Portal Communications Company
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:34:17 GMT

William C. Barwell (popec@unkaphaed.gbdata.com) wrote:
: schlegel@cwis.unomaha.edu (Mark Schlegel) writes:
: 
: > ndasmith@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Noah Smith) writes:
: > 
: > >Regular listeners will notice that Rush likes to say the last names of
: > >Robert Reich and Mario Cuomo differently than most people are accustomed
: > >to.  If anybody knows why he's doing this, let me know at the above
: > >address.  Thanks!
: > 
: > Because Cuomo complained that Dan Quayle had called him "Mario" to accentuate
: > his Italian background.  (this occured after Mario called Dan some very
: > childish things like "Danny Boy", apparently Mario thinks it's ok for him
: > to say things like that about Dan Quayle but Dan can't call him by his first
: > name).  Rush now calls Cuomo "Coo moh" so that he can't be labeled a racist
: > for bringing attention to Cuomo's italian background because that isn't the
: > way Cuomo pronounces it.  He just does it to make a point that Mario Cuomo
: > seems to be ashamed of his background and that Cuomo's position is 
: > ridiculous.
: > 
: > 
: > 
: 
: 
: Nah.  It didn't bother Mario a bit that Danny mispronounced his name for 
: effect.  Mario just pointed it out so that it would make the papaers. 
: Since a lot of Italians up there ARE indeed prickly about such insults, 
: Mario just wanted to make sure Dan 'n Bush would lose some 
: Italian-American votes.  To bad Dan never figured out ethnic nonsense 
: like that is a way to lose votes.
: 

Thank you William for pointing out that using (not mispronouncing) a
person's first name is an insult to him and all the other people like
him.  William, for this, we are truly greatful.

And thank you, William, for pointing out how the racist Coomos and Jesse
Jacksons of the world show their true colors (as in using bigotry to
further their goals).

William, we owe you one.

: Pope Charles    SubGenius Pope Of Houston    Slack!
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