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From: kathy@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu 
Subject: Re: German Brathair (sp?) ??
Originator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:34:00 GMT
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In article <BvtBMv.J8D@vcd.hp.com>, joana@vcd.hp.com (Joan Armstrong) writes...
>I met a 5-month old puppy the other day, and fell in love!!!
> 
>Her owner said she was a German ?Brathair? (sp??), bred from
>Germ. Shorthairs and Poodle Retrievers (another unknown to me,
>so I probably have this name wrong, too).  
> 
>She was chocolate brown with white overlay fur, sort of a neat salt
>and brown pepper effect.  Very lovely dog, fairly calm for her age,
>and smart.
> 
I think what you met was a German (Deutsch) Drahthaar.  These dogs originated
from breedings between the German Shorthair Pointer and the Pudelpointer.
They are an AKC recognized breed but AKC calls them German Wirehair Pointers.
They still go by the name Drahthaars, especially by breeders who will have
nothing to do with AKC for fear they will ruin this wonderful hunting dog.
	According to the AKC standard, German Wirehair Pointers should be liver
and white.  Any black in the coat is severely penalized.  Dogs are 24-26" in
height and bitches should not be under 22".
	I would recommend getting the book "The German Pointer (Shorthaired and
Wirehaired) by Anna Katherine Nicholas if you are seriously interested in
getting one.  The only kennel I found in your area is in Maple Valley, 
Washington.  The kennel is Lieben-wald and it is owned by Dianna Leigh Nordrum.
	Please remember that these are hunting dogs.  They have *LOTS* of
energy and can be very destructive if not exercised enough.  They are very
obedient and trainable though.  Elsa got her CD and placed in the top 4 at
every show with only 1-2 times a week of training.  They love to work and 
are very eager to please but they are not apartment dogs, you must have time 
and energy to keep up with them.   	

............................................................................
Kathy Greenwood                | Mom to 
Math Major (believe it or not!)|   Loucha and Landry (Belgian Sheepdogs)
University of Oklahoma         |   Ruger (English Springer Spaniel)
                               |   Elsa (German Wirehair Pointer)
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Subject: Stool-Eating (yuk)
From: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)
Date: 7 Oct 92 19:24:42 EDT
Distribution: world
Organization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University
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My cocker pup (ahem, pardon me) thinks that poop is a delicacy.  Not her own. 
Other dogs', cats', raccoons', skunks', & god knows what other species'.

My two Doggie-Bibles (The Art of Raising A Puppy, & Mother Knows Best) suggest:

	1. Poor digestion or poor diet.
		(vet says no problem; she eats only Iams, no junk food)
	2. Poor supervision.
		(she's NEVER out w/out me or w/out a leash)
	3. Filthy exercise area.
		(well, I can't clean up after every urban mammal in town; most
		dog-owners "scoop", but that still leaves lots of cat, raccoon,
		skunk, gopher, & other various wastes)
	4. Immediately correct this behavior & it will soon stop.
		(heh, heh) Wrong.

Her breed is one of, well, strong tracking skills.  In otherwords, she can
smell animal poop a mile away.  She invariably heads straight for it, & before
I realize that she's not just sniffing the ground (which she always does, too;
its in her genes), there she is, chewing on some animal's ... well, you get the 
picture.  I have pried more animal poop from her mouth (while commanding
"NO. Buffy, Drop!" of course) than I ever hoped to encounter in a lifetime.

(ugh.)

Helpful suggestions welcome.  Very welcome. Extremely welcome.

Thanks.

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Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: scott@rhombus.cs.jhu.edu (Scott Smith)
Subject: Re: troublesome puppy
Organization: Johns Hopkins Computer Science Department, Baltimore, MD
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:46:42 GMT

REBECCA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:

>In article <1992Oct8.155409.3285@linus.mitre.org>
>pdsmith.mitre.org (Pat Smith) writes:
>
>>Crates can be used as a den and in that case I agree that the crate is not
>>proper for punishment.  But many trainers use crates as punishment and it is
>>humane.  Dogs don't care about rude or not rude.  They need to be trained
>>what is proper behvior and a 10 minute punishment is not too effective.
>>
>True, but a crate still should never be used for punishment.  My bichon frise,
>Shana, travels in the car in her crate.  If we had taught her that a crate is
>a place for punishment, we'd never be able to travel with her.
> 
>Isolation may sometimes be necessary.  But use a leash, never a crate.

Most of the "pro's" disagree with this.  They say the proper analogy
is sending your dog to his/her crate is like sending your child to
their room for punishment.  We crate Natasha for bad offenses (I just
crated her today in fact, for nipping at the floor sanding people),
but she still sleeps in it every night, with the door open.  When we
have to crate her for other reasons like travelling, we say "good
girl" when she gets in, and always say "Bad Dog" when we put her in
for being punished.

Just like sending children to their rooms, they don't always correct
their behavior, but they sure know they did something wrong.  It has
the added advantage of getting the dog out of the way while you clean
up the mess/apologize to the guests/fume with anger.

            Carol Lea Benjamin, "Dog Problems"
(both are excellent books for dealing with problem behavior)

Scott
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From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Questions & Update on Siegfried (LONG)
Keywords: Siegfried
Date: 13 Oct 92 21:04:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bw2vvv.8p7
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab




Well, with all the sad news coming on the net lately and I'm 
VERY sorry to hear of all these losses lately it really makes
me want to go home and hold our beasties for hours, I thought
I'd let you all know how Siegfried and the rest of the crew are
doing.

For those of you who don't know, Siegfried is our black German
Shepard puppy. He's 10 weeks old now and doing awfully well
for a puppy, I think! He's pretty much house-trained now and I 
can tell that he's trying to hold it but some still tinkles out on
him. He goes to the door and sometimes scratches, sometimes
whines, either way works, we just want to KNOW that he has
to go out and that message gets across equally well either way!
He walks beautifully on leash and comes very nicely when 
called! He's getting the hang of sit and down and OFF!, which is
good. He weighs 19 lbs and is about 14 inches high at the 
withers now. He had a bout with tapeworms but he's been 
given the first round of pills for that and he's got two of the three
sets of shots with not even a whimper.

But, of course he has his problems! He still can't hold it through
the night. Anyone know about when we can expect him to? Baeki
was a special case as it took her until she was about 5-6 months
old before she was even partially housebroken and she was 
always messing in her crate even when she went out every
few hours...sigh, glad that's all over. She still never TELLS us
she wants to go outside we just take her out at certain times
and that's when she does it.

Another problem is that he likes to whine and bark. Baeki didn't
make a peep until she was over a year, he's already found his
voice, which is good, but can get earshattering sometimes when
they are playing together. He likes to whine when we let him out
of his crate too, I guess he's just happy to see us. :-) He's pretty
quiet when he's in the crate and he goes in there on his own
when he's tired (GOOD!). Now we have to get a bigger crate! Anyone
know what size of crate we should get him so he can 'grow' into it?
I've been looking through catalogs lately and one was nice and listed
breeds which would fit in there. One was for Shepards and another 
was for large Labs. Large Labs? I thought Shepards were bigger than
Labs, am I confused? Since he IS going to be a BIG boy (should see
those paws!!!) I'm leaning towards the larger crate. I wish I had
brought the measurements along..sigh.

He's slowly learning that biting (anyone/thing) and beating
up the cats is NOT allowed, but it's taking time. 

I have more GSD specific questions, but I'll put that in another post...

Thanks! Thought you'd all like to hear how he's growing! and growing
and growing and growing!! :-)

Kay Schlumpf & Crew  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: maz@Turing.ORG (Michael A. Zang)
Subject: re: excited 
Organization: The Turing Project, Charlottesville Virginia.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 06:04:30 GMT

 I wouldn't worry about it at this point, my Newf did the same thing
occasionally until she was almost 1. You might also try controling the
greeting scenario. I just let Isis greet most folks outdoors this was
a good temp solution for me.	
                      
p.s  What does an Akita look like? i've heard of the breed but can't picture
them.

                 Later,...Mike
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: hnewman@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Harry Newman)
Subject: Border collie dermatosis
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Distribution: inet
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 16:05:32 GMT

I have two border collies that are house dogs.  One of them itches most
of the time.  He has worn the hair off his back half.  We've had him to
the vets numerous times, given him allergy shots, taken him to the U of Ill
small animal vets and ended up with medicated shampoo.  No improvement.

The symptom is small blisters or sores where he has been scratching and
the skin feels hot over a large area.

MacDuff sure would appreciate any ideas!


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Chocolate is a DEADLY POISON to your dog
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:50:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: frcs.1992Oct12.175030.974
Organization: Onderstepoort School of Veterinary Science, University of Pretoria

Thus spake joe@modcomp.uucp (Joe Korty):

> We had no idea chocolate was a deadly poison to dogs.  No friend or vet
> had had ever mentioned it.[..] So here is a lesson for the
> few (or many) of you whose pantries are still chocolate time bombs for
> your dogs.

I'm sorry you lost your dog, and I don't want to be sceptical.
Chocolate can be toxic, and heart failure is possible - I'm just
surprised that the dog didn't show other signs (eg excitement,
nervousness) beforehand.

> (According to the emergency room vet, chocolate is a stimulant to which
> the dog nervous system has no defense.  The heart, brain, etc, become
> overactive, and then shut down, for all but trivial doses.)

Chocolate contains theobromine, a xanthine which is related to
caffeine. Like caffeine, it is toxic in overdose (and occasionally in
normal doses). It's major toxic effects are nervous and cardiac, as
you said. Like most toxins, there is no specific antidote.

Like many other potentially toxic substances, chocolate is usually
non-toxic at reasonable doses and only causes problems when a large
amount is taken in at once. I'd say, to play it safe, that anything
known to have any kind of mood altering effect, even if very mild,
should be kept away from animals and children.

Linda
 
       
Xref: sparky rec.pets.dogs:12092 rec.backcountry:8117
From: sex@bach.udel.edu (Martin Solo Schamis)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,rec.backcountry
Subject: Re: Dogs and backpacking
Date: 11 Oct 92 14:50:45 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Delaware

I take my dog with my all the time when I go backpacking.
He is a purebread collie.  The main problem I find with him
is his hair.  Since he is a long-haired dog, everything seems to 
get stuck and matted. A brush is a necessary backpack item
for when you stop for breaks or at the end of the day.
As far as obstacles go, my dog will follow me over anything,
sometimes endangering himself in the process if not told to wait
beforehand.  You will be surprised at the agility a dog posseses.
Many times, especially when scrambling, I just let him lead, as 
he usually finds an easier path.  As far as deep water crossings go, 
I would probably suggest a harness/leash.  I dog can swim by himself, 
but the currect might take him/her if you are not connected to him.
Of course you want to make sure that you don't slip when connected 
to the dog.  
One last point.  Always make sure that dogs are allowed where you 
are hiking with him.  Otherwise you could be in the neighborhood
of a nice fine.

Martin
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kmosher@kmosher.acd.ucar.edu (Kathleen G. Mosher)
Subject: New puppies!
Organization: Ntl Center for Atmospheric Research, Atmospheric Chemistry
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:00:38 GMT

Hi,

   I am new to this group, but a true lover of dogs.  Up to
six years ago, I always had dogs.  But six years my Annie 
(terrier mix) died, and we had to move to Denver, to an apartment
that doesn't allow pets.  Now we are buying a house, and I am planning
a trip to the humane society immedietely following our closing ( when
we get possession of the house)!
   I am certain that I want another dog and am fully aware of all the
responsibility it entails.  Also, I have a seven year old boy who has
asked for nothing except a german shepherd for the last couple of years.
My problem is that I would like to get a shepherd for him, and a terrier
for me.  But I have never owned two dogs at once (other than the strays
I have taken in and found homes for).  We would like to start out with
puppies for both dogs.  Is it best to bring home both at once, so they
won't develop any territorial problems between them?  Or, what I am thinking
is to get the shepherd first, and let the shepherd and my son develop
their relationship (and also teach my son how to take care of and train
a puppy).  Then after about a year, hopefully after the puppy
is completely housebroken, bring in my terrier (a puppy).  Will this cause
problems for the shepherd?  
   I really would appriciate some opinions on which way would be best to 
get two puppies, and why.

Thanks alot in advance - and sorry for being so verbose!
From: linda@frcs.Alt.ZA (Linda Jacobson)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Obsessive-compulsive disorder
Date: 12 Oct 92 17:42:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: frcs.1992Oct12.174252.723
Organization: Onderstepoort School of Veterinary Science, University of Pretoria

Thus spake casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton):

> I've heard that tail-chaising is a result of being confined.  Don't know
> if that's true, though.

Not to my knowledge. It's thought to be a "hard-wired" behaviour that
goes overboard, rather than a learned behaviour.

Linda
 
       
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs,rec.backcountry
From: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Subject: Re: Giardia was Dogs and backpacking
Reply-To: kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook)
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Lab
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 12:51:23 GMT

Dogs can and do get Giardia,  a friend of mine has two dogs who
have just recovered from a bout of this.  After a lot of treatment
the dogs are ok, but she has no idea where they picked it up.  Dogs
and people can pass Giardia back and forth.

   -kayti
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From: kingston@artex.waisman.wisc.edu
Subject: RE: New dog on short notice; what should I know?
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 13 OCT 92 16:19:51 CDT

Well, will, I have owned dogs all my life.  You have to remember that the
dog will in time become very attached to you 3 as family.  You do have to
make sure that your wife/child will not be allergic.  I would suggest
going to the Library and getting all the books on this breed.  You didnt
mention what part of the country you lived in.  To me this is important as
this breed of dogs have very, very thick hair that is more for living in the
cold as opposed to the hot.  If you live somewhere where it gets very hot,
you need to make sure that the dog is groomed and has plenty of shade. For
instance, I owned a samoyed and a husky. I live in Wis so we have a change
of seasons.  For both of these dogs, it was horrible in the summer.  I had
to get some ice and put a blanket over it and let them literally lay on top
of the ice in the basement.  I also had to have a kiddie pool full of cold
water for them.  I couldn't excersise them in the summer as it was just
too hot.  They would go into heat stroke.

I believe that even though a breed is supposed to be a "barker", you can
break that.  Whenever the dog barks and is not supposed too, take them by
the collar and gentlely but firmly pull it tight and say "No bark".  If
the dogs has any brains, they will eventually get the message.  I say that
you are lucky to be able to have the dog on a trial basis.  Good Luck!!
Peanut
From: hckrus01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: 'bye Tess
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:38:13 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Oct15.152617.2592@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>, rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Ruth Milner) writes:
> In article <92288.235716MAF112@psuvm.psu.edu> <MAF112@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>    Anyway a few weeks ago, my fiance and I were in bed when we heard a cat pur
>>ring on the bed. But there was no cat on the bed, no cat in the room for that m
>>atter. We tried to reproduce the "purr", thinking it was a sound the bed made,
>>but we could not. Both of us know we heard a cat purring on the bed. So we gave
>> it up to things most people would rather ignore, and decided that it was my
>>deceased Himalayan coming to say that he misses us too.
> 
> There's a wonderful short story by Arthur C. Clarke along these lines, about a
> scientist and his beloved dog. I wish I could remember what it's called. It's
> in one of his short-story collections. Very different from most of his other
> stories. It left me with the same sort of feeling as Heinlein's "The Door into
> Summer" (which is pretty much the only Heinlein book I liked).
> -- 
> Ruth Milner                          NRAO/VLA                  Socorro NM
> Computing Division Head      rmilner@zia.aoc.nrao.edu

My mother also had a real life experience, witnessed by 2 other people, sim-
ilar to this with our deceased Irish setter Fiaca.  Fear of ridicule keeps
me from posting it, but these things do happen!

Holly
From: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Dogs in Pick Up Trucks AGAIN
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:06:18 GMT
Reply-To: jkjncs@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology

In article <1992Oct12.162508.17967@news.nd.edu>, mike@nowaksg.chem.nd.edu 
(Michael George Buening) writes:
>P.S. If you don't know what PTO means, it is the Power Take Off on the back
>of a tractor that is used to connect the engine power to an implement being
>pulled behind the tractor.  It turns many thousands of times per minute and
>many a person as well as that poor dog have been killed by these (usually being
>very lax about the #1 rule: turn it off before messing with it!)


That's what happens when dogs don't read the directions...

Sorry - couldn't resist the sick humor - I'm really posting to blow off
steam at yet *another* encounter with an otherwise perfectly reasonable
person who wants a dog BUT:
- wants the dog to stay outside. always.
- believes the dog should run free ("We live in the country and the
neighbors let their dogs run free and they all run around and play
together")
This person is considering a Malamute - I told her flat out it would
be a bad idea (I told her dogs are pack animals and to get a cat; or,
better yet, a plaster-cast statue of a dog :+). What do you folks
say to people like this - I hate to get preachy, but the thought of
a gorgeous Mal getting creamed by a car...
anyway - I'll climb off the soapbox now.


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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: Jack.Smoke@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Jack Smoke)
Subject: 3-Legged Frisbee dog!
Organization: Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:47:20 GMT

I sat at my terminal this morning debating.  On the one hand, 
I figure no-one really cares about my dog's triumphs but me, and on the 
other, many others have bragged over thier dogs here.
	So....
	Jake, my Border Collie, has only three legs.  He lost
the right front one last year, trying to herd a car.  It hasn't
affected hhim much - truth to tell, he hardly realizes it's missing.
	Last month, Jake and I attended our first ever community
Frisbee (TM) dog compitition.  The winning dog received 57 points.
Jake and I got two.
	I was kind of discouraged.  Chasing frisbees is Jake's 
favorite thing to do in the whole world, but in these compititions,
they award points based on how far away the dog is from the thrower at 
the time the catch is made.  Jake and I had trouble getting the 
fifteen yards needed to get one point.
	My SO, watching from the stands, told me later that a lot of
people thought it was cruel to bring Jake out and compete with him.
As I said, I was very discouraged.
	Still, we went out in the field to practice (We live out in the 
country on an ex-tabaco farm - BIG front yard 8).  Slowly we got our
distance worked up, and Jake even started jumping to get the 
Frisbee!
	Last weekend, we attended another compitition, and Jake and I took
Third place!  Not bad for the second time out of the barn, Hum?
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