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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:38:07 EDT
From:         BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Query: DARTON FAMILY PUBLISHING FIRMS (xposted from ExLibris)

[Please address responses to crossposted messages directly to the
originator, since there is no guarantee that a reply to C18-L will
reach the concerned parties; by all means send a copy to C18-L if
you like -- some of us might like to know... KB]

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From:         PRYMA@FLIS.UTORONTO.CA
Subject:      DARTON FAMILY PUBLISHING FIRMS
To:           Kevin Berland <BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET>

I am a library science student at the University of Toronto and an
employee of the Osborne Collection of Early Children's Books at the
Toronto Public Library.  I am looking for any information on the
Darton family publishing firms, British publishers of children's books
from the late 1700s to the early 1900s.  There were several firms of
various family and business connections over the period including
Harvey & Darton, Darton & Clark, Wells Gardner, etc.

I am interested in any information about any of the publishing firms
or biographical information about members of the Darton family,
particularly William Darton I and William Darton II.

Despite the long history of this publishing family there are few if
any references to the firm or the family in the references sources
and any information would be appreciated. THANK YOU!

I can be contacted at:      PRYMA@flis.utoronto.ca

My mailing address is:
            Katharine Pryma -- locker #206
            c/o Faculty of Library and Information Science
                University of Toronto
                140 St. George Street
                Toronto, ON
                M5S 1A5
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Subject:      ASECS on C18-L

     Yes, and we also have the current Affiliate Societies coordinator,
Laura Kennelly, as well as her illustrious predecessor, T.E.D. Braun.
All these esteemed dignitaries have (they tell me) joined C18-L as
private parties, not as official representatives of ASECS, under their
own steam, as it were), voluntarily (or with a leetle nudge from)
yr obt humble servant,
Kevin Berland
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 15:23:00 EST
From:         "James Woolley, Lafayette College" <WOOLLEYJ@LAFAYETT.BITNET>
Subject:      Leland Peterson Makes the NY Times

The Campus Life section of the Sunday *New York Times* carries a
story on the work of the Swift scholar Leland Peterson as a Latin
instructor at Old Dominion University. "Prof. Leland Peterson
says he so much wants students at Old Dominion University in
Norfolk, Va., to learn second-year Latin that he will teach it
free of charge." ("Ars Gratia Artis: Latin Professor to Teach
Free," *NYT*, 1:52, 12 April 1992.)

Leland, or Kikarow, as he is also known to readers of the
*East-Central Intelligencer*, is photographed at the blackboard
of his Latin classroom. The article contains no mention of his
work as an eighteenth-century teacher and scholar, but it's worth
a look just the same.

Would we get equivalent *Times* publicity for eighteenth-century
studies if one of us volunteered to teach *it* free of charge?
(Only kidding.)

James Woolley
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 13:57:17 EDT
From:         BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      18th-C plagiarism

     I've been following the "thread" or train of dialogue about 18th-
century plagiarism on SHARP-L, and crossposting the relevant notes on
C18-L.  Irwin Primer responded with the following comment, with
permission to repost it as appropriate:

> Date: Mon, 6 Apr 92 20:37:55 EDT
> From: Irwin Primer <primer@andromeda.rutgers.edu>
> Subject: plagiarism

        Since I don't subscribe to sharp-l, I haven't seen more than you have
salvaged for us on the plagiarism "thread."  If they were dredging up any 18c
cases of plagiarism, did they mention (or fail to mention?) the case of
Alexander Innes, D.D. "Preacher-Assistant at S. Margaret's, Westminster," who
appears in 1728 as the author _[ARETE-LOGIA] or, an ENQUIRY into the Original
of Moral Virtue . . ._?  It turned out that he falsely claimed this work and
that it really belonged to Archibald Campbell.
        If this detail is of interest to anyone, please forward it to the
most appropriate outlet.
Irwin                   primer@andromeda.rutgers.edu
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Subject: Re: QUERY: The Molyneux Problem
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:35:00 GMT
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This is perhaps a bit indirect, but concerning the Molyneux problem,  you
may want to consult what has been written about Diderot's Lettre sur
les aveugles.

Bonne chance!

--Bob Dawson
French-Italian
UTx-Austin
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 17:18:25 EDT
From:         "Richard Noble, Brown Univ." <AP201101@BROWNVM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: _The Life and Surprising Adventures of Don Juliani de Trezz_

A record for the edition referred to appears in the ESTC (searched via
RLIN), no. T17852, which reads as follows (ellipses are mine - nothing
essential):

   Abu Bakr ibn al-Tufail, Abu Ja'far ...
     [Philosophus autodidactus. English. Abridgements]
     The life and surprizing adventures of Don Juliani de Trezz; who was
   educated and lived forty-five years in the island of Malpa, an uninhabited
   island in the East-Indies. Translated from the Portuguese. London,
   printed for T. Warner; and J. Morley, [1725?].
     [8], 78 p., ill., 8o.

     An abridged translation of the 'Philosophus autodidcatus' ... - With
   a preliminary advertisement leaf.
     Frontis = ill. Verify position and number of advertisement leaves.
   Date a guess, T. Warner active 1726?-1729? (Plomer) and John Morley
   active in 1720's.

One location only is listed: Bodleian Library, Douce F 364 (2)

RICHARD NOBLE : RARE BOOKS CATALOGER : JOHN HAY LIBRARY : BROWN UNIVERSITY
AP201101@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU/BROWNVM.BITNET  401/863-1187 : PROVIDENCE, RI 02912
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:14:55 MDT
From:         Janis Ernest Svilpis <jsvilpis@ACS.UCALGARY.CA>
Subject:      _The Life and Surprising Adventures of Don Juliani de Trezz_

I have been doing some work on seventeenth- and
eighteenth-century translations and imitations of Ibn Tufayl's
_Hayy ibn Yaqzan_ and have run across something that might be a
bibliographical ghost.  If it isn't, I would like to locate a
copy. Rudolph Altrocchi's "Ancestors of Tarzan" (_Sleuthing in
the Stacks_ [Harvard UP, 1944]) describes it as follows: "About
1722 an abridged translation of _Hayy_ appeared in London: _The
Life and Surprising Adventures of Don Juliani de Trezz_, reissued
in 1761 and 1766, with a somewhat altered title, Don Juliani
having become Don Antonio de Trezzanio" (121).  Don Antonio
definitely exists, and I have worked on it, but I haven't been
able to find so much as a further reference to Don Juliani.  Has
anyone seen it?

Thanks for your help.

J.E. Svilpis
jsvilpis@acs.ucalgary.ca
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 12:07:09 EDT
From:         Peter Hirtle <hirtle@NLM.NIH.GOV>
Subject:      Monsters

A quick check in HISTLINE (the history of medicine database referred
to by Henry Lowood) shows that there are 32 citations to books and
articles on monsters (indexed by the term "diseases and injuries -
abnormalities) for the period 1450-1700, and another 60 that cover
mulitple periods.  There are an additional 16 citations to works
about Jonathan Swift, but none discuss monsters.  This is available
in printed form as the _Bibliography of the History of Medicine_
published by the NLM.

.
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 09:19:14 EDT
From:         "T.E.D. Braun" <braun@BRAHMS.UDEL.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Lists of Anglo-American Settlers in Spanish Louisiana
              Louisiana" (Apr 14,  3:16pm)

You might want to contact members of the Ibero-American Society for
Eighteenth-Century Studies.  Their Secretary-Treasurer is Margaret E.
Hart/ Department of Spanish/ The University of the South/ Sewanee, TN
37375/ phone: 615 598-1174.  In fact, you might want to become a member
of the I-ASECS!
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 03:55:28 -0700
From:         Oliver Berghof <oberghof@ORION.OAC.UCI.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Internet accessible library catalogs
              13 Apr 92 11:58:00 CST." <199204131753.AA20227@orion.oac.uci.edu>

Thanks to Peter Hirtle for the reference to
the Art St.George/Larsen list.
I had the list in one of my directories, but without
originator, which might well happen with ftp.

In case someone else experiences difficulty with
handling listservers, at the University of New Mexico
or elsewhere, they can retrieve the list via
what is called _anonymous ftp_ from ariel.unm.edu

(To do this type ftp ariel.unm.edu. At the prompt
for a user answer with >anonymous , at the prompt
for a password type in your name. Then use the
restricted Unix - commands available under ftp to
find and retrieve the file, typically >cd library,
followed by an >ls, to see what is there, and an
>mget internet.library
To leave ftp and disconnect to return to your own
system just type >bye
internet.library should work for PC's, but as you
will see, there are also versions for the MAC and for
WAIS and one coded in PostScript. Be prepared for a
LONG file, though, in the vicinity of 300K (that's
what I meant in my original posting by referring
to a yet to be written shorter guide...).

Another good source for information, particularly
for contacts to/from Australia and Canada is
vaxb.acs.unt.edu , the University if North Texas VAX,
but a not so recent entry in their directory tells
users that this might change to unt.edu and that the
VAX, like other specimens of its kind, is up for
retirement. When I tried anonymous ftp before posting
this message the VAX was still there, but I didn't get
past the Password - prompt. Maybe they were doing
backups...
On this site you'll find Billy Barron's list probably
the most useful, which I have as libraries.txt .

Carole Fungaroli of the University of Virginia
(csf7m@faraday.cals.virginia.edu) suggested to me to look
at comp.internet.library , a list devoted to the topic
modified by one Yoshi, whom, I am told, you can reach
at takefuji@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu . The newsreader I am
using doesn't seem to be able to subscribe to it though,
and I haven't gotten an answer from the moderator so far.

All said and done I only hope that the many books which
you will find through other libraries' catalogues will
be accessible to you ! Time to clamor for interlibrarly
loan funds.


---
Oliver Berghof
oberghof@orion.oac.uci.edu
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              8 Apr 1992 11:51:41 -0500
From:         BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Re: Revolt in ASECS?

"a list called ASECS" -- probably my syntactic sloppiness.  No such list
exists, of course.   ASECS is the American Society for Eighteenth-Century
Studies.

Kevin Berland
ever vigilant?
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 19:41:07 -0400
From:         Leon Jackson <JACKSON1@HUSC.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Slavery and the Bible

Dear Steve:
          The bibliography on slavery and its Biblical justifications is
huge, but you might start out by looking at Winthrop D. Jordan's erudite
and eloquent study, _White Over Black: American Attitudes Toward the
Negro, 1550-1812_ (1968). No doubt there are many specific monographs
on the subject, but this would be a fair place to garner some primary
sources. Good luck.

Leon Jackson
Harvard University

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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 16:24:26 EDT
From:         BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject: Plagiarism [xposted from SHARP-L]

[an interesting "thread" on SHARP-L; if you respond, please address note to
the originator of the posting, not to C18-L -- there's no guarantee authors
of crossposted messages read this list -- but send a copy to us, if you like.]

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From:         "Terry Belanger: phone 212/854-4734"
              <terry@CUNIXA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Plagiarism
To:           "BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET Kevin Berland" <BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET>

I'm fascinated by the thought that a c18 historian got sued for
plagiarism; in the English book trade it would be unlikely for this to
happen short of literally reprinting a whole work, ie "comprinting" it
to use c18 trade jargon. There was considerable bitching about the
extent to which long excerpts from historical works were routinely
published in the magazines, but I can't offhand think of a single
important case of outright plagiarism [ie one that went to the courts]
in the London trade during the c18. Can anyone else?
-Terry Belanger
 Columbia University School of Library Service
 terry@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu
 after 1 June:
 University of Virginia
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Subject:      More from SHARP-L's discussion of 18th-c plagiarism

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From:         "JP Feather" <J.P.Feather@LUT.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: lawsuits
To:           "BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET Kevin Berland" <BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET>
              Apr 3, 92 9:36 am

I think Terry Belanger is right. Plagiarism in the modern sense would not
have been a meaningful word in 18C English law. It was not really recognised
before the 1842 Act, although there are glimmerings of it in 1814 and in
the early 19C debates on copyright. The only remotely similar cases in
18C England concerned such matters as the separate copyright in texts
and commentaries upon them, the copyright in epitomes and extracts, and
similar matters. The attitudes of the literary world are a different
matter (on which I don't feel qualified to comment), but it took a long time
for such attitudes on literary property to find their way into legal
practice and statute law.
John Feather (j.p.feather@uk.ac.lut)
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Subject:      QUERY: Buildings

Herewith is a query posted several days ago on HUMANIST.  In crossposting,
we ask that you direct any responses to the query's originator, since there
is no guarantee the inquirer reads C18-L -- but feel free to send a copy of
your response to C18-L, because some of us might like to know... KB
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Date:    Thu, 26 Mar 92 18:56 PST
From:    Kirshenblatt-Gimblett 213-458-9811   <ENQ8BKG@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Source: HUMANIST 5.796 (March 28, 1992)
Subject: The life and lore of buildings

A colleague is working on buildings--their lives, personalities,
and place in public imagination.  He seeks legends, anecdotes,
nicknames, and other lore about buildings--their construction,
opening, naming, maintenance--and any ceremonies associated with
them. Any kind of building--domestic, religious, civic,
commercial, and other structures--is of interest.  He would
welcome both oral traditions and citations to articles,
monographs, literature, and other sources.

Thank you,

Barbara Kirshenblatt-Gimblett
Getty Center for the History of Art and the Humanities
enq8bkg@mvs.oac.ucla.edu
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Subject:      Re: Plagiarism [again xposted from SHARP-L]

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From:         "Patricia A Cahill" <pac9@CUNIXF.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Plagiarism
To:           "BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET Kevin Berland" <BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET>

A title-word search of "plagiarism" in RLIN's ESTC file turns up 14
titles which may mean that the London book trade did in fact take
notice of plagiarism in the c18.  Among the titles are Joseph
Priestley's Philosophical Empiricism: containing remarls on a charge of
plagiarism respecting Dr. H-s (London, 1775); John Douglas' Milton
vindicated from the charge of plagiarism, brought against him by Mr.
Lauder, and Lauder himself convicted of several forgeries...(London,
1751) and The defence of Innes Munro, Esq....against a charge of
plagiarism from the works of Dr. William Thomson; with the original
papers on both sides (London, 1790).  I know too little about the
history of plagiarism to venture a guess as to what "plagiarism" means
in these titles (i.e., whether it is something other than wholesale
reprinting of another's work); is anyone familiar with these titles or
the legal disputes to which they refer?

Pat Cahill
Columbia Rare Book & MS Library
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 10:57:10 EDT
From:         BCJ@PSUVM.BITNET
Subject:      Call for Papers: SE/ASECS

The Southeastern American Society for Eighteeenth-Century Studies will hold
its 19th annual meeting in Birmingham, Alabama, March 4-5-6, 1993, with the
University of Alabama at Birmingham as the host institution.

Proposals for papers and panels on any 18th-century topic are solicited.

All proposals, abstracts, or papers should be sent by September 28, 1992, to:


              Lila Graves
              Chair, SEASECS Program Committee
              Department of English
              University of Alabama at Birmingham
              Birmingham, AL 35294
                Phone:  205 934-5292
                Fax:    205 975-6639
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From:         Henry Lowood <Henry.Lowood@STANFORD.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Gulliver and Monsters

REPLY TO 04/13/92 17:33 FROM C18-L@PSUVM.BITNET "18th Century Interdisciplinary
Discussion" Re: Gulliver and Monsters

You are probably referring to the bibliography of the Wellcome
Institute, but that there is another--the bibliography put out
by the National Library of Medicine in the United States--that IS
available online.  The file is called Histline, and it is part of
the Medline system.   Your local medical or biology librarian
will no doubt know how to hook you up or at least do a search for
you.

Henry.Lowood@forsythe.stanford.edu

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Didn't Fiedler do a book on freaks a while back?  I think traces of his
illustrations are still lurking on my retinas.  There's an annual
bibliography of the history of medicine that should be consulted (how useful
it would be to have that database online).  Is it a safe guess that we'd
probably find more monsters in 17th-century lit than in 18th-c?
I. Primer         primer@andromeda.rutgers.edu

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From:         Robin Brooks Kornman <RKORNMAN@PUCC.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Gulliver and Monsters
              13 Apr 1992 20:18:36 EDT from <primer@ANDROMEDA.RUTGERS.EDU>

I am reading Trollope's Phineas Finn and am sadly in need of commentary
on the political issues involved in this detailed description of
parliamentary life. Can somebody suggest a work or an edition which
will explain all those references? For example, Mr. Turnbull and Mr.
Mildemay lead their respective parties in fighting over the issue of
"the ballot." No explanation. Robin Kornman, St. John's and Paris
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From:         "Karen M. Bush" <kb2v+%ANDREW.CMU.EDU@CARNEGIE.BITNET>
Subject:      Paul and Virginia

There are a few things out there about the novel Paul and Virginia
(I have looked at the musical they made of it in  1800).  Start with
Malcolm Cook's "Harmony and Discord in P and V"--Eighteenth Century
Fiction 3 (1991): 205-16 and Clifton Cherpack's "P & V and the Myths
of Death"--PMLA 90 (1975): 247-55.  Their articles and footnotes should
lead you to everything else if you should need it.  The musical version
by James Cobb is also rather cute.

Linda Troost
Washington and Jefferson College
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From:         David Cobin <dcobin@HAMLINE.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Revolt in ASECS?
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I am a happy C-18 subscriber.  Reading my mail lately I have learned about
a list called ASECS.  What is it?  I know I'm not revolting against it --
I don't even know what list this is.  Just for peace of mind, could
someone let me in?

David Cobin    dcobin@hamline.edu
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