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From: ts@cup.portal.com (Tim W Smith)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Advice for first year law student?
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 21:08:54 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
  <1992Aug29.193954.25739@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
  <1992Aug29.233707.15193@eff.org>

Speaking of Macintosh, what word processor should I use?  I used to use
FullWrite Professional.  It served me well, seeing me through hundreds of
pages of project proposals with no problems.  However, it is not being
actively supported, as far as I can tell, so it's time to move on.

The choices are as follows:

(1) WriteNow 3.0.  Advantages: I already have it.  It looks nice, although
I haven't really done much yet.  I like the handling of named styles.

(2) Microsoft Word.  Normally, this would not be a contender, since it is
overpriced.  However, the student price is $80, which is acceptable.
Furthermore, there is an academic bundle with Excel for $160.  That is
attractive because my current spreadsheet is Full Impact, which does not
appear to be supported, and has a couple of bugs under System 7.

(3) WordPerfect.  Like Word, it's overpriced.  However, the student price
of about $130 makes it a contender.

There is one more possibility: use WriteNow 3.0 during school, since I already
have it, and then just before graduation 3 years from now, come back and decide
what I want for use in the real world while I still have a student discount.

As far as other software goes, I believe Mike Godwin has recommended More
for outlining.  I've been using Acta for years.  I've written some pretty
long outlines with it (I once did an ~50 page project proposal in Acta
rather than a word processor, for some unfathomable reason -- it got a little
slow at that size, but it did work, and that was at least two versions ago
of Acta), and it has performed well.  I know that More is supposed to be
the high end outliner in the Mac world, but does it really do anything that
I will need that Acta won't do?

--Tim Smith
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.censorship
From: barry@netcom.com (Kenn Barry)
Subject: Re: The return of vaudeville. (was: Re: Nilges)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 21:52:59 GMT
Organization: QQQCLC

In article <1992Aug28.185740.18890@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>In article <2513@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> joemays@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Joseph F. Mays) writes:
>>You can look at a name and tell if the bearer is white or black?
>of course many blacks
>in our society retain names given them by whites.

	No shit? Gee, and here I thought they got their names from their
parents :-).

>In short, Joe, try to SHOW me that I'm a fool, don't SAY 
>that I'm a fool.

	Why does showing you a fool sound redundant and unnecessary to
me?

						Kayembee
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Racism invented by who?
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:59:49 GMT
Reply-To: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)
Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA

In article <1992Aug27.145527.2582@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
> racism, which whites invented.

	Nilges, you pathetic buffoon, are you aware of the way
foriegners have historically been treated in Japan?  Are you aware
that the Apache conducted a succesful genocidal war against the
Tonkgawa around the time of the European invasion?  To claim that
whatever race you yourself happen to revile the most invented bigotry
is (guess what!) *racist* *delusion*.

	If people like you spent as much time working on the problems of
this world as they do inventing self-comfortaing fantasies the Earth would 
be a better place.



Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: art@world.std.com (Al Thompson)
Subject: Re: Clair George's trial a mistrial!!
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
	<1992Aug30.014718.21863@panix.com> <1992Aug30.145430.19094@eff.org>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 01:21:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.145430.19094@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:

   In article <1992Aug30.014718.21863@panix.com> eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) writes:

   >North and Poindexter were factually guilty, as their trials
   >established.  They are also legally innocent, since the most probative
   >evidence can't be used against them at trial (in any practical sense,
   >anyhow).

   For those who want verification of Mark's statement with regard to Oliver
   North, see Jeffrey Toobin's book, OPENING ARGUMENTS, which is now
   available in a paperback edition from Penguin Books. Toobin worked for
   Walsh throughout the North trial, and he deals with the point that Mark
   makes here--that the facts showed North to be guilty, and that the North
   appeal did not establish North's innocence, but merely resulted in a
                                                   ^^^^^^
   holding that his Constitutional rights were violated.

Merely?  What the hell do you think the fifth amendment is all about?
Perhaps you think it would have been alright to torture him too?

   Had the U.S. Senate not stupidly decided to hold show hearings, North's
   conviction would have occurred anyway, and would not have been overturned.

I sure wish I was able to predict the future with your certainty.  Has it
slipped your mind that even with the tainted evidence North was acquited
of nine of the most serious of the twelve charges brought?

Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,alt.censorship
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:55:27 GMT
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@nimaster

In article <1992Aug27.033615.5283@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>In article <11919@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>
>>Malcolm X was a racist.
>
>Malcolm X admits, then later rejects, his own racism in THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY
>OF MALCOLM X. Of course, you have to finish the book to know this.

HeeHeeeHeeHee.  Thank you Mike...I didn't want to waste my time with old
Clayton's incorrect account of Malcolm X.  

Malcolm became a socialist before his death; it was this that cured his
"racism" (I prefer the quotes since antiwhite "racism" is a different
thing from racism, which whites invented.)

Anyhow, the fact that one of the most extreme spokesmen for the "racist"
black view had this change of heart speaks for the notion of racism as
white "thang."  Is it not white people, from Indianapolis to Munich, who
are reviving racism in the form of a KKK and German Nazi renaissance?
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie)
Subject: Re: Maryland Law Brief
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 03:56:54 GMT

tucker@shiva.edsg.hac.com (George Tucker) writes:

[...]
>>kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>>>The user, on the other hand, is looking to buy drugs solely for the
>>>sheer pleasure of using them.
[...]

I didn't write this, I just reposted it. Matt Rosenblatt,
matt@amsaa.brl.mil, is the author.

- Carl

 
--
Carl Kadie -- kadie@cs.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Hate Speech Okay, says the Supreme Court
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:02:01 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Aug24.141456.17472@Princeton.EDU>, egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
> In article <1992Aug23.140749.22287@m.cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug22.031724.6759@m.cs.uiuc.edu>
> >kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
> >Perhaps, but letting everyone listen to Martin Luther King was very
> >important. Many cities tried to shut him up by denying him parade
> >permits. I have no doubt that the St. Paul law would have been used
> >against Malcolm X if he was alive.
> 
> You appear to know very little about Malcolm X if you equate his message
> with Viktora's; indeed your very equation, and your feeling that the law
> applies equally to Viktora and to Malcolm, is itself racist.  Malcolm X
> had a serious and far-reaching analysis of racism in American society
> whereas Viktora is a mentally disturbed punk.  Your racism makes you
> equate the two.

Really?  Perhaps you haven't read what Malcolm X had to say:

              Last but  not least,  I must  say this  concerning  the
              great controversy  over rifles  and shotguns.  The only
              thing that  I've ever  said is  that in areas where the
              government has  proven itself  unwilling or  unable  to
              defend the lives and the property of Negroes, it's time
              for Negroes  to defend  themselves.  Article number two
              of the  constitutional amendments  provides you  and me
              the right  to own  a rifle  or a shotgun.  This doesn't

Fine, up to this point -- blacks had a right to defend themselves
against criminal attack by racists.  But no, Malcolm X had to show
that he was cut from the same cloth as the racists, and was a racist:

              mean you're  going to  get a  rifle and form battalions
              and go  out looking  for white folks, although you'd be
              within your  rights -- I mean,  you'd be justified; but
              that would be illegal and we don't do anything illegal.
              [Malcolm X, _Malcolm X Speaks_, (New York, Grove Press,
              Inc.: 1965), 43]

He was clearly saying that it would be justified to engage in attacks
on white people, simply because they were white.

Malcolm X was a racist.  I'm sure that Ed Nilges and other liberals
will try their best to justify that racism is OK, in the right
direction, but it doesn't change anything.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Alcohol prohibition didn't work; drug prohibition doesn't work; gun
prohibition won't work.
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,alt.censorship
From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin)
Subject: Re: Clair George's trial a mistrial!!
Originator: mnemonic@eff.org
Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 14:54:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.014718.21863@panix.com> eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) writes:

>North and Poindexter were factually guilty, as their trials
>established.  They are also legally innocent, since the most probative
>evidence can't be used against them at trial (in any practical sense,
>anyhow).

For those who want verification of Mark's statement with regard to Oliver
North, see Jeffrey Toobin's book, OPENING ARGUMENTS, which is now
available in a paperback edition from Penguin Books. Toobin worked for
Walsh throughout the North trial, and he deals with the point that Mark
makes here--that the facts showed North to be guilty, and that the North
appeal did not establish North's innocence, but merely resulted in a
holding that his Constitutional rights were violated.

Had the U.S. Senate not stupidly decided to hold show hearings, North's
conviction would have occurred anyway, and would not have been overturned.


--Mike





-- 
Mike Godwin,    |"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact 
mnemonic@eff.org| of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, 
(617) 864-0665  | both are transformed."
EFF, Cambridge  |                           --Carl Jung
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: KNOW YOUR RIGHTS (was: Re; Nilges)
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 00:19:53 GMT

In article <96Ob02Yd1fXb01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.174003.26552@eff.org>, mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) 
>writes:
>> >Gimme real freedom, hedged about with commonsense restrictions such as
>> >Justive Brandeis' "no freedom to shout "fire" in a crowded theater" over
>> >freedoms that are so formally overbroad that they are in practice
>> >unattainable.
>> 
>> You're thinking of Justice Holmes, not Justice Brandeis.
>
>No, Mike, he's thinking of Justice Brandeis.  He's just wrong again.  :-)

Oops, Nilges loses seventeen literacy points in the Nilgean "illiterate
punk" balancing test to determine free speech.  At this rate, he'll have
to report himself to a Cuban re-education camp pretty soon.
-- 
             ......................................................
             ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | std disclaimers
             the university of chicago law skool, chicago, illinois
             it's log!  log!  log!  it's big, it's heavy, it's wood
Newsgroups: misc.legal,rec.motorcycles
From: jcn@rice.edu (Jeff C. Nichols)
Subject: Re: ++ADVICE ON POTENTIAL LAWSUIT(on a motorcycle)++
Organization: Rice University
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:53:37 GMT

aki@atlas.worldbank.org (aki) writes:

>individual.  They said had I bought it from a
>dealer I might have a case.  That's in the commiewealth
>of Virgina...your individual outragous laws in your
>state may vary...

As I have understood it, here in Texas, buyers can use either the Texas 
Lemon laws or the Deceptive Trade Practices Act (of which the Lemon laws 
are a part, I think).  There is a local lawyer who gives tips on one of 
the news stations and according to him, that if a seller of a car cites 
in the advertisement "Like new" or "no damage" etc. the car better be 
like new or with no damage or the buyer can sue for 1 1/2 or 2 1/2 the 
amount of the car (or any purchase for that matter).  I can double check 
this info with my soon-to-be-lawyer wife, but I think this is the jist of 
it.


--
*  Jeff Nichols                 |   I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay. * 
*  DoD#0402         AMA#568571  |   Ride:  GS500E    		   *
*  It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, and I'm wearing milkbone    *
*  underwear--  Norm Peterson					   *
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Subject: Re: The return of vaudeville. (was: Re: Nilges)
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 22:36:01 GMT

>> In article <1992Aug28.153236.24131@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>> >
>> >In fact, Shean was Jewish, a pretty close relative of the Marx Brothers
>> >(that's Julius, not Karl, though Karl was sometimes funnier.)

Hey Ted!  Who was Julius Marx?  Oh well, White Men Can't Proofread, huh?
Did ya mean to say Groucho?  Wanna post some C code for my collection?




Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,rec.arts.movies
From: egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges)
Subject: Marx Brothers
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:45:16 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.083509.23522@nocusuhs.nnmc.navy.mil> perez@mgr.hjf.org (Charles Perez) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.233006.15783@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>
>>>Hey Ted!  Who was Julius Marx?  Oh well, White Men Can't Proofread, huh?
>>>Did ya mean to say Groucho?  Wanna post some C code for my collection?
>>
>>Given that Julius was "Groucho," I fail to see the proofreading error.
>>However, I feel all Italians on the net should be offended by your use
>>of the Marx Brothers' nicknames, which were given to them by someone
>>making fun of Italians.  My use of Julius, Arthur/Adolph, Leonard,
>>Herbert or Milton in reference to the brothers is perfectly acceptable.
>
>See, Ed, what happens to you when you mix hubris and intellectual
>laziness? Now all of those times you tried to pin racist labels on

We've learned something not exactly earth-shattering, that Julius was
Groucho's real name.  You'll notice that my question marks left open the
possibility that Tedster, he of the monster racist video collection to
which he retreats after a hard day spent reading legal crits with his
lips moving, had a bit of trivial information.  I submit that despite
the high quality of the Marx Brothers, their real names are trivial with
respect to the issues under discussion, including Frank's love of racist
vaudeville routines.  Again, you and he only reinforce my point re the
fact that forty years of TV has resulted in a widespread inability to
make distinctions, whether between Viktora and Martin Luther King, or
Amos 'n Andy and Spike Lee.  It has, it is evident in folks like you and
the Tedster, resulted in people who literally are unable to make value
judgements, who see all things as residing at the same low level.

Fifth graders pride themselves on being able to one-up each other with
trivialities that are irrevelant in the long run.


     "Hey, Harv, are you into TRIVIA?"
     "I'm talkin' to ya, ain't I?"

                            - Harvey Pekar, American Splendor
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,rec.arts.movies
From: sdo@hoops.mitre.org (Sean D. O'Neil)
Subject: Re: The return of vaudeville. (was: Re: Nilges)
Organization: Research Computer Facility, MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 21:27:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug28.233006.15783@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.223601.13313@Princeton.EDU> egnilges@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Ed Nilges) writes:
>>>> In article <1992Aug28.153236.24131@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >In fact, Shean was Jewish, a pretty close relative of the Marx Brothers
>>>> >(that's Julius, not Karl, though Karl was sometimes funnier.)
>>
>>Hey Ted!  Who was Julius Marx?  Oh well, White Men Can't Proofread, huh?
>>Did ya mean to say Groucho?  Wanna post some C code for my collection?
>
>Given that Julius was "Groucho," I fail to see the proofreading error.
>However, I feel all Italians on the net should be offended by your use
>of the Marx Brothers' nicknames, which were given to them by someone
>making fun of Italians.  My use of Julius, Arthur/Adolph, Leonard,
>Herbert or Milton in reference to the brothers is perfectly acceptable.


This is all from memory, so some small details were forgotten.

In HARPO SPEAKS (Harpo Marx's autobiography), the following story
appears about how the Marx Brothers received their monikers:

The Marx Brothers (all five) were involved in a backstage card game 
with some other vaudevillians.  At one point, the deal fell to a
fellow performer who was a monologist (I forget his name).  He
deals the first card and says, "And one card for...Harpo."  Now, 
at the time, there was a very popular comic strip called "Knocko
the Monk", and "<name>o" appellations were also very popular as a
result, and thus the dealer gave Arthur his new nickname, reflecting 
his fascination with the harp.  Well, once he had started around the 
table, he couldn't stop with just one.  So he named Julius "Groucho" 
(he kept most of his belongings in a grouch bag), Leonard "Chicko" 
(he was an inveterate womanizer---the "k" was later dropped), Herbert 
"Zippo" (I forget why.  This was later changed to "Zeppo" to avoid 
confusion with a famous monkey act known as "Mr. Zippo"), and Milton 
"Gummo" (he wore gummy outers on his shoes all the time to protect them).

I believe Chico Marx developed his Italian stage persona subsequent
to this episode, though Harpo was already not talking on stage, but I'm 
not totally certain about that.

Sean
Newsgroups: misc.legal
From: slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer)
Subject: Re: Rape and Paternity
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 17:43:51 GMT

titmas@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Eric Titmas) writes:

>In article <BtIuAn.G28@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, slkg9733@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Steven L. Kellmeyer) writes:

>|> Darcyesque argument has said that sex constitutes an "implied contract"
>|> on the part of the man.  Combine this with the rape twist, and we can
>|> see a very strange thing happen.  Note that the law currently only makes
>|> sense if a) a child exists from the moment of conception and b) abortion
>|> is illegal.  Since neither holds in the current legal situation, it
>|> becomes extremely difficult to logically support child support.

>A child exists from the moment of conception and abortion is legal.

Then abortion may be referred to as intrauterine infanticide?

>-- 
>Eric Titmas      Motorola ASIC       titmas@chdasic.sps.mot.com               

>It is impossible to take in more money than Congress can spend.  - Thomas Sowell

Steve Kellmeyer
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: misc.legal,alt.politics.correct,rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: The return of vaudeville. (was: Re: Nilges)
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:23:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Aug29.202348.21160
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Aug29.190914.9348@eecs.nwu.edu> kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman) writes:
>thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>However, I feel all Italians on the net should be offended by your use
>>of the Marx Brothers' nicknames, which were given to them by someone
>>making fun of Italians.  
>
>Huh? Where did you get this idea? According to Harpo (from his autobiography)
>the names were given to them by a friend during a card game. 

Yes, the nicknames were given to them by a friend during a card game.  The
two facts are not mutually exclusive.  (And I have no objections to
people using the customary nicknames, except for Ed, whose use would
be hypocritical, because the mere mention of "Gallagher and Shean"'s
existence is {anti-Irish, anti-German, anti-Semitism-of-the-type-Edward-
Said-doesn't-practice}.)
-- 
             ......................................................
             ted frank | thf2@midway.uchicago.edu | std disclaimers
             the university of chicago law skool, chicago, illinois
             it's log!  log!  log!  it's big, it's heavy, it's wood
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From: shedevil@vix.com (Anne P. Mitchell JD)
Newsgroups: misc.legal
Subject: Re: Custody case question
Date: 28 Aug 1992 10:04:02 -0700
Organization: Fathers' Rights & Equality Exchange
NNTP-Posting-Host: gw.home.vix.com


As a followup to Don and Ted's dicussion about fathers, mothers, women
in the workplace, etc...I'd like to offer for general reading a paper
I wrote titled "The Maternal Bond"...not because I'm a fabulous writer
or anything, but because there are a lot of useful cites and
references (at least useful in my opinion. :-) ).

Feel free to anonymous ftp it from gw.home.vix.com ..cd into the /pub
directory and it should be in there.  Otherwise, you can drop me a
note and I will email it to you, although if you have a picky mailer
it may get truncated.

-- 
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