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From: eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson)
Subject: Re: Riker/Troi relationship
Summary: Can you spell: co-dependent?
Organization: University of Oregon Campus Information Exchange
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 08:25:03 GMT

In article <22249@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com> you@ems.cdc.com writes:
>In article <1992Sep8.144354.25322@bnlux1.bnl.gov>, schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>|> In article <rawdon.715618326@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>|> >[Cynicism alert:]
>|> >
>|> I find it highly amusing that they went to all the trouble of
>|> setting up a mysterious past between both of those pairs, only to want
>|> to disavow all of it later on.  The relationship as it stands between
>|> Riker and Troi is completely unbelievable.  Clearly, they were heavily
>|> involved at one time, but now they're able to shut all of that away just
>|> because they serve aboard the same ship?  Right.
>|> 
>|> I found it interesting when Frakes was interviewed that he said that
>|> although following up the Riker-Troi Love Thing is verboten, he and
>|> Sirtis do everything they can to play it up.  Extended glances where
>|> possible, etc.
>|> 
>
>I get s different reading of their relationship, A strong friendship 
>that requires very little for each to understand the other views and/or
>feelings reguradless of the Empathic abilities of Troi.

Interesting.  I see very little of a relationship that goes beyond
friendship in recent shows--for which I am grateful!  The efforts of Frakes
and Sirtis to keep that thing alive were one of the most annoying parts of
TNG.  According to the book, Encounter at Farpoint, Riker left Troi in the
middle of the night and took the next ship going in the opposite direction.

Mind you, I find Troi's character annoying enough that I can applaud that
conduct.  What I don't accept is the argument that Riker did it 'because he
loved her so much he was scared,' nor do I accept that*Counselor* Troi's
emotionally healthy (sic) response to this conduct is to _love him all the
more and want to continue the relationship_!!

A more reasonable response on Troi's part would be the reaction of the
jilted fiance in the Blues Brothers. If there are no automatic weapons
available, then a phaser on stun at close range would have served
admirably.  If that's too strong, then they could've come up with some
reaction that wasn't a walking advertisement that the counselor needed 
a good therapist to work on her issues with men!

My therapist friends were actually using the Riker/Troi relationship in
their co-dependency groups as a negative example!  They found a strong
correlation between women who identified with Betazoids and the Riker/Troi
relationship and serious issues of co-dependency.  This is hardly
surprising since the relationship was very dishonest for at least the first
2 seasons.

Other than the need to meet Fleet Standard Cleavage requirements, why *are*
there Betazoids on star ships?  They can't catch spies or discover liars or
much else of value.  Their primary purpose is stating the obvious.
Couldn't someone else do this?    ;->
From: lwyse@copley.bu.edu (Lonce LaMar Wyse)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Capt. Pike
Date: 13 Sep 92 23:37:33 GMT
Distribution: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Organization: Boston University Center for Adaptive Systems


Oh knowledgeable Trekies -

I am only a social viewer of Startrek, so I was confused when I saw a
program today with Capt. Pike as the commander of the starship. Is
this an old program before Kirk came along? How did Kirk inherit the
ship from Pike?

Pike wasn't a bad captain, the show had all the familliar creative
writing and humor of the shows with Kirk...


					- lonce
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From: schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder)
Subject: Re: Stardates--from the horse's mouth
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 13:17:16 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.061437.2751@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu (Eileen Simpson) writes:
>In article <1992Sep1.144724.8956@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin) writes:

>>If the 4 in the stardates stands for 24th century, tehn what happens
>>when ST:TNG gets to Season 10? (If that happens), and if not ST:TNG,
>>ST:Ds9 then.


>Actually, the staff writers from Paramount cut off questions about
>Stardates at the seminar.  They expressly told us not to worry about the
>technical stuff and to spend our time on plot and dialogue.  They seemed
>quite bored by the questions even though the audience was curious.

Of course they were bored.  I would've been bored by this kind of
extraneous nonsense as well.  Who gives a flying Denebian Slime Devil?
It's like asking "why did Geordi punch the key sequence
yellow-yellow-green-blue at Engineering One in episode X, instead of the
more technically consistant yellow-yellow-green-_red_?  Why?  Why?
Huh?  I can't sleep at night until I find out!"

When you're in a position to avail yourself of the opportunities that
are presented by being in a Q and A forum with the show's producers, why
would you focus on such trivialities?  Why not ask about the characters,
the plots, new ideas?  Stardates and warp coil wrapping designs are mere
window dressing.  They don't enhance the watchability of the show.  They
don't contribute to the dramatic content.  They don't enhance the
characters.

I'm starting to think that it's meetings like this that give the
production staff the idea that the audience actually wants to hear
LaForge and Data go on and on and on about the hyperdynamic
superheterodyne megaplastic field inverter inducer amplifier field
strength modulator.  Now it all begins to make sense.  If they think the
Trek audience demands explanations of stardate consistancy, then it's no
wonder.
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From: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk (A.M.T. Bell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Scotty in Man from UNCLE: was Re: Actors' Other Roles [1/1]
Date: 8 Sep 92 13:18:33 GMT
Reply-To: atb@gserv1.dl.ac.uk
Organization: Daresbury Laboratory, UK

I remember seeing James Doohan in the Man from Uncle film a few months ago.
He played a (old) scientist who has developed and used a *youth drug* 
and was shown as a
*young* person (yes it was made a long time ago :-) ). He then got bumped off
by the bad guys, he didn't have much of a part. Now maybe that's why Scotty
won't age when he turns up in season 6 TNG, he's found some more *youth drug*! :-)


tony bell                 ! keep on running   live long and prosper
serc daresbury laboratory ! "back off man, i'm a scientist"
atb@uk.ac.dl.gserv1       ! bill murray - ghostbusters
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: Trivia-Sela
Date: 7 Sep 92 18:18:04 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <1992Sep6.082954.4923@cs.wisc.edu> steve@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Steven Glinberg) writes:
<
<
<Did you know?
<
<The ship used for the Lysian central command in 'Canundrum', 5th season,
<was the same model used in 'Justice', 1st season, as the God like ship 
<half in another dimension?

The correct spelling of the episode is "Conundrum" and yes, we knew it as soon
as we saw it.  That fact was posted shortly after viewing the episode.

<Sela the Romulan appeared in the dark and spoke at the end of the episode
<'Mind's Eye' end of 4th season, two episodes before she was seen for the 
<first time ever - the season finale, at the end of Redemption I.

Yep, we knew that too.  I even made note of this appearance in the ST:TNG
Program Guide.
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From: jcbarthe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (John C. Barthelmes)
Subject: The Battle continues...(was Re: STNG sucks!!!)
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:21:48 EDT

In article <18lj3gINNqu@agate.berkeley.edu> ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>In article <BuBM6z.LxJ@cs.dal.ca> ian@ug.cs.dal.ca (Ian Littlewood) writes:
>}Both Q and the Borg are child's play compared to the Organians, Trelane
>}or V'ger.
>
>Q's more powerful than the Organians.  Q even said he was omnipotent.

Well, there's been discussion about who would win a battle between
Kirk and Picard, why not have a tag team match with Q and the Borg
in one corner and An Organian and Trelane in the other...
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From: ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace)
Subject: Re: STNG sucks!!!
Summary: I'm gone for 3 months, and you are STILL having TOS vs. TNG wars...
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 11:03:30 GMT

	I return to the Net after a long summer and what do I find?  Your
all STILL having TOS vs. TNG flamewars...  Ah, it's good to be back... ;-)

In article <1992Sep8.184741.2277@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (gary l. schroeder) writes:
>In article <rawdon.715888957@cs.wisc.edu> rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes:
>>In <eDLqqB1w165w@ailanth.UUCP> tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver) writes:
>>>ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
>>>> In article <1992Sep7.030236.3477@nntp.uoregon.edu> eisimps@cie.uoregon.edu
>>>> (Eileen Simpson) writes:
>>>> >Whatever you say about TOS, it didn't infict brainless Betazoids on the
>>>> >airwaves, and if any kids came aboard, they got rid of them at the next stop
>>>Instead TOS inflicted us with a brainless Spock! :)
>>Yeah, but only for one episode. :-)
>
>I can't believe I'm going to get into this, but....
>
>Look, TOS had it's fair share of stinkers too.  

	Of course it did.  ALL shows have a bad episode now and then...
However, I would rather watch a bad episode of TOS than a good episode of
TNG, anyday. ;-)  But, that's just me...  It just depends on your preference.
I've finally come to realize that these TOS vs. TNG flamewars are completely
and utterly pointless (although, often fun ;-)).  No one is going to change
their opinions because of them.  If you like TNG, then watch TNG and be
happy.  However, if you have better taste and prefer TOS, then watch TOS and
be happy. ;-)  (And, when _I_ begin to get sick of a TOS vs. TNG flamewar,
then you can be certain that it's been around FAR too long already... ;-))

||======================================================================||
||  Robert A. Seace  ||  Junior at UNH  ||  E-mail: ras@kepler.unh.edu  ||
||    AKA: Agrajag   ||     CS major    ||  or, maybe: ras@nic.unh.edu  ||
||======================================================================||
"All right, you scum, you vermin... What do you want to drink?!!" - TRATEOTU

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May your dream "Live long and prosper".
From: kennedy_j@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: `Classic' Board Game
Date: 14 Sep 1992 22:35:29 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wgtn, NZ
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kennedy_j@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz

In article <15112@mindlink.bc.ca>, Charlie_Hutchins@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Hutchins) writes:
>Has anyone played the ltd ed board game brought out by Classic in June? I just
>bought it and the rules seem very inadequate. I was hoping that someone out
>there who had played it could give me some further hints as to exactly how the
>game is played. I really don't see how one could get stuck in either of the
>neutral zones, and thus nothing bad can happen to the ship. It was a big
>disappointment anyway, but maybe this is because i just don't know how to play
>it properly. If somebody could send me a few pointers I would be gratefu

I brought it a little while back because it looked really impressive in it's
huge box, it was VERY expenisive here, and like you I suffered a major
disapointment when I actually SAW the game.

As for rules and pointers, we added a few of our own, to try and make it
slightly harder, ie when turning you have to turn in a sort of long arc, this
restricts the movements and makes it easier to get stuck.  We did at one stage
also decide that the direction you started to "Warp" in was the direction you
had to go, ie if your going straight ahead on a six, you continue straight
ahead 6 hex.  If your turning on a six, you go around in circles <grin>

I would suggest you design your own moves, the game just doesnt cut it
otherwise.


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From: yung@r-node.gts.org (Amos Yung)
Subject: Re: Surrender (was Re: STNG sucks!!!)
Organization: Public Access UNIX Information System
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 01:36:40 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.223257.2212@newshost.unh.edu> ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace) writes:
>
>	You mean ST2, ST3, and ST6, right?  Well, in ST2, he wasn't really
>surrenderring, but rather setting Khan up.  And, similarly in ST3 he was
>setting Kruge and his men up.  ST6 is the only REAL surrender by Kirk that
>I can think of.  And, he only did it because so much was at stake (namely,
>galactic peace).  If you want something to count, try counting the number of
>times Picard has surrendered 

OK. Lets do it, kid. If memory serves, Picard surrendered EXACTLY once. Namely
in "Encounter at Farpoint" in order to save the crew from the god-like Q.    
He did attempt to offer their surrender in "The Last Outpost" (the first
Ferengi episode) but didn't actually got the chance to go through with it
due to the circumstances. After that, in the following four and a half
years, there were only humourous remarks regarding surrendering. So, there,
once.

(hell, he surrendered in the PREMIERE episode;
>a great way to start a command). 

So you would prefer the big alternatives, eh? To hell with the life of all
those people serving under me, *I* don't want to look like a wimp!!! Real
machao.

> I'm not about to waste my time trying,
>because I don't really care that much.

More like you don't really *know* that much.

  However, I can guarantee that it is
>far more than 3 times.

Next time you go out and guarantee something, make sure you know what you
are talking about.

>


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From: matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
Subject: Re: ST: TNG & homosexuality
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:21:36 GMT

In article <68117@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt7994a@prism.gatech.EDU (ORMOND,SEAN PATRICK) writes:
> 
> 	"The Outcast" went about as far as TNG needs to go in dealing with
> our modern problems with homosexuality.  It's always disturbed me to see
> the current writers use TNG as a facade for their 20th century liberal
> "soapboxing".  It seems quite rational that the reason we are spared    
> from seeing homosexuals within the ranks of Starfleet is that by the 
> 24th century that particular illness will be cured.  The operative word 
> there is "illness", and that is, BTW, what we're dealing with.  Whether
> it's the result of one's emotional environment or some undiscovered
> physiological factor has yet to be determined.  When the cause is found,
> however, a cure will be forthcoming and homosexuality will become a thing
> of the past.
> 
> Sean
> 
> -- 
> Sean P. Ormond
> Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
> uucp:	  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt7994a
> Internet: gt7994a@prism.gatech.edu


Tsk tsk, Sean, your homophobia is showing.  Homosexuality may or may not
be an "illness," nothing has been proven one way or the other.  There is
evidence that homosexuality is nature's way of controlling population
growth and providing caregivers.  (No, I don't have a source for this, I
heard it in a human sexuality class.)  In any case, there is no proof,
just theories.  
Now, your saying that you hate it when the writers use Trek as a soapbox...
well, if you go back to the original series, Trek has ALWAYS been used
as a soapbox, and often very well!  It was intended from the start to be a
forum for exposing current problems to the light of day by using SF as a
metaphor!  Roddenberry even *said* that's what he was doing, and wanted to
continue in TNG.  
BTW, I am not gay, but neither am I homophobic.  I'm sure gays find straight
sex as unappealing as most straights find gay sex.  Be careful not to post
your *opinions* as facts.

Kellie M-S
Internet::matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu
From: 00rrchorzemp@bsu-ucs.uucp
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: SMITHSONIAN, PERIOD!
Date: 14 Sep 92 14:18:04 GMT


	Hello... with all this talk around about the Smithsonian exhibit of ST,
I'd just like to know how much it is to get into the Smithsonian in the first
place, and how about their food prices?? (I'm going to DC for a field trip, and
I'm on a somewhat tight budget 8^(  and I need to know.)
please e-mail the answer to me!
Thanks!

Capt. Bequi Horizen, USS Ferryman
00RRCHORZEMP@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
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From: dtgordon@unix1.tcd.ie (Damian Gordon)
Subject: Re: The truth(?) about Deep Space Nine and Babylon Five
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:40:11 GMT

In <7cqnw!=.obrien@netcom.com> obrien@netcom.com (Robert O'Brien) writes:

>In article <920906.203345@3Mail.3Com.COM> Ric_Goldman_-C@hqops.3mail.3com.com writes:
>>I was chatting on with a friend of mine who freelances for various 
>>Hollywood 'zines including Starlog, and she had some interesting info on 
>>the whole DS9/B5 phenomenon. 

[some stuff omitted]

>>
>>3) Here's the clincher.  DS9 MAY ACTUALLY BE A RIP-OFF OF B5!  
>>   Apparently the B5 folk had submitted the idea to Paramount a while 

[more stuff omitted]


>Yes, I have a comment.  I've heard the 'B5 ripped-off by DS9' from enough
>sources to pretty much believe it, and I totally disagree with your
>side note.  In fact, I think it makes a good case for DS9 not belonging
>here either. But I'll be happy to wade through both types of postings
>at least until I see the shows.  I'll also be grateful to all who
>post about B5 and DS9 if their subject lines *always* start with those
>characters (i.e.  "B5:"  "DS9:")

	This is a 'Star Trek' newsgroup, therefore anything 
	bearing the name should surely be discussed here.
			 (just my opinion)
					Damian.

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From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Subject: Re: Who's got the best beam-out?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 21:38:07 GMT

mark@IMD.Sterling.COM (Mark Buglewicz) writes:

>In article <92Aug28.160116.20645@acs.ucalgary.ca> jsbell@acs.ucalgary.ca (Joshua Bell) writes:
>>Hmmmm... Out of the Federation sparkle, Q flash, Ferengi swirl,
>>(is it just me or does this sound like an order placed in
>>10-Forward?), Borg tracer-fade, and anything else we've seen,
>>what do people like the best?
>>
>I think the Federation beam-out from the MOVIES are best.
>You know, the vertical beams that move out to the sides...

>Mark



    I agree that the movies have fairly good ones. The enterprise in TNG has
    fairly decent ones too. My vote goes to the "phase inverter" or whatever
    it was called used by the terrorists on an episode in the 3rd or 4th
    season. I remember the terrorist leader's name was Finn, and he like Bev,
    after he kidnapped her. Anyone have a better memory? What am I saying, of
    course someone here has every detail on this episode. ADthanksVANCE for
    any help.

Regards,
Cory Padfield
From: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: will trade for addresses
Date: 13 Sep 92 03:49:17 GMT
Reply-To: brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot)
Organization: Vidiot's Hangout

In article <BuG939.67D@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> jeffb@audiolab.UWaterloo.ca (jeff bamford) writes:
<In article <4045@vidiot.UUCP> brown@vidiot.UUCP (Vidiot) writes:
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<Isn't once enough?  
<For something that doesn't exist it has been doing quite well since April!

No, obviously once isn't enough.  The group is supposed to be dead.  You are
supposed to be using the other, replacement, groups.  New people come and
go all the time and may not know it.

I will keep doing this until the traffic stops.
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From: ptaylor@airfarce.Canada.Sun.COM (Peter Taylor - Sun Toronto)
Subject: Re: Really, really bad TNG
Reply-To: ptaylor@airfarce.Canada.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:44:27 GMT


ph111-bx@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;7202) writes:
> In article <1992Sep7.200802.8495@cco.caltech.edu> tlynch@cco.caltech.edu
> (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
> >Here I agree.  Really, really bad TNG can be well beyond unpleasant.
> Well then, what would you strongly NOT recommend, besides "Cost of Living".

Immediate reaction:  Angel One.  They did some really cheesy acting & writing
	on that one.

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