From: john kauta <kautaj@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Sexist African Males
Organization: Indiana University, Department of Mathematics.
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 16:37:59 -0500

In article <1992Apr12.154919.8511@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> pprior@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Paul A Prior) writes:
>In article <1992Apr12.010909.27043@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson) writes:
>>In article <1992Apr11.230025.26846@midway.uchicago.edu> gross@befvax.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>Your comparison simply does not work.
>>>The Jews in Europe were under Nazi occupation, which means that were already
>>>sentenced to death.  They gained nothing personally by cooperating.  Those 
>>>who cooperated were often deported and/or killed as well.
>>>
>>>From what I understand, the Africans who participated in the slave
>>>trade made money from the transactions, and were not themselves
>>>subsequently sold as slaves.
>>>
>>>So every Jew in Nazi occupied-Europe was a victim, whether they 'cooperated' 
>>>or not.  But not every African in Africa was a victim of slavery, and some 
>>>who were not victims benefited personally from it.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Where are you getting your information from ? You are making statements about
>>something that you know nothing about ! Every African was at risk of being
>>enslaved by the european slave traders ! I have relatives and written accounts
>>in my family that talk about these kinds of things. It just angers me to
>>think that white people just don't want to own up and admit that THEY are
>>responsible for enslaving Africans ! NO ONE ELSE. My comparison about the jews
>>was not from me but from a holocaust survivor ! NO one would blame the
>>jews or say that the jews played a role in the murder of their own people
>>but when it comes to African Americans...well anything goes. Thats bullshit.
>>The comparison also shows that whites can not prove that Africans 
>>enslaved Africans for the slave traders. Tell me where you are getting
>>your information ? Souds like it is from the David Duke book of AmeriKKKan
>>history.
>
>Well, it sounds like you, sir, are getting your information from teh 
>Farakkan school of "evil whites and blacks can do no wrong" information.

>It is well known and established historical fact that blacks openly 
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>participated and profited from the slave trade.  That is not surprising
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>considering that african society (like most other societies) considered
>slavery acceptable practice.  The difference was that the scale was much
>larger due to the demand of the euro-americans.
>
>Unfortunately, in today's world of feel-good education where statements
>such as blacks built the pyramids are espoused by the PC teaching 
>establishment these facts are denied as they would seem to assess some
>bit of blame upon black africans, which would destroy (as noted earlier)
>the concept of reparations based on ancesteral guilt.  Thus we see the
>products of such thinking in you, who throw out the accusation of 
>racism (via the KKK) whenever someone happens to disagree with you.
>It's interesting that you have such a fascination with Jewish history
>and seem to base your foundation on what "the jews" can get away with.
>I would suggest you attend to your own issues, and quit trying to 
>blur the facts with inflamatory sidebars.
>
>And I really don't see the point of your argument anyway.  Are you
>-really- trying to state that blacks never participated in the institution
>of slavery (for profit)?  Are you -really- trying to state that somehow
>a group of people on the basis of their skin color somehow have superior
>moral convictions and have evaded the tempations of immoral conduct?
>The facts are that there were blacks and whites (and others) who ran
>the slave trade.  The whites certainly expoited the africans to the
>extent that the economic benefits were much greater on the end side of
>the practice, but nevertheless both parties participated willingly.
>
>And it's important to realize the social and moral norms of the time.
>Today I would hope that the VAST majority of the world would denounce
>the institution of slavery.  Back then, however, and in fact all through
>history, slavery was a common practice.  Thus if we are going to 
>establish historical facts solely on the basis of race, as you seem 
>inclined to do, the world owes a debt of gratitude to whites, who
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>finally put an end to slavery in the civilized world.
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MY! MY! MY! How can one mention "slavery" and "civilized world" in the same
breath! Is this some PC or what? And where are the descendants of these
Africans who "profited" a lot due to the slave trade? Considering the fact
that the slave trade helped put America on the map, presumably some of these
descendants must be VERY rich indeed today!!!!!!!


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