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From: isae@iastate.edu (Gadjah Mada)
Subject: Re: Network in Indonesia
Keywords: network
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:34:12 GMT

In <C0FxAC.1nt@informatik.uni-muenchen.de> prawiro@informatik.uni-muenchen.de (Edy Soesanto Prawirohardjo) writes:


>hi all,
>Saya membutuhkan informasi tentang perkembangan Computer-Network di Indone-
>sia. Bila kalian mempunyai informasi yang aktual, saya mohon untuk
>kirim kabar itu melalui news atau langsung memalui e-mail

>	prawiro@dbs.informatik.uni-muenchen.de
>	root@dbs.informatik.uni-muenchen.de
>	prawiro@informatik.uni-muenchen.de
>	root@cip.informatik.uni-muenchen.de

>Saya ucapkan terima kasih untuk informasinya

For me too, please.. :)
Send them to: isae@iastate.edu
THANKS A BUNCH!


>salam


>edy
> 

-Rony
 isae@IASTATE.EDU


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From: swami1@troy.cc.bellcore.com (swaminathan,kashi r)
Subject: Re: East Indian vs. Asian Indian
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 23:00:28 GMT

In article <1ht08rINNms1@agate.berkeley.edu> mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:
>We're often called East Indians to distinguish us from the West
>Indies and from Native Americans.  The local newspaper just repeated
>this term in an article on the opening of a first-run Indian
>movie theater in Fremont, CA.  I'm going to write them and say
>that East Indian implies the same importance given to the West
>Indies.  Frankly, I'd much rather be called Indian.  It's much
>shorter, more descriptive, and most accurate.  If it weren't for
>Columbus' navigational goof-up, and that of an extraordinary sort,
>then Asian Indian would never have been necessary.
>
>So how about it, net.folks: East Indian or Asian Indian?
>
>Manish

East Indian has been the term used well before the term Asian Indian
was invented. When I came to Berkeley eons ago as a student (well it
was really in 1958 only), there was no such term as Asian Indian.
They called us east Indian to distinguish us from American 
Indians whom they called just Indians.
I remember a debate with Mr. Blaisdell who was the director 
of the International House on just this point.
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From: vagarwal@dis9002.shearson.com (Virendra Agarwal)
Subject: Re: being asian-indian/american
Reply-To: vagarwal@tardis.shearson.com
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 16:04:37 GMT

In article <1993Jan2.195535.11351@athena.mit.edu> tyadav@athena.mit.edu (T.Y.) writes:

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    vagarwal@tardis.shearson.com writes:

>    Hmmmm, this is not true.
>    Europeans, and others, have hard time "getting accepted" in Japan, China..etc.
>    (well, my american friend married a japanese immigrant - and thats where i
>     learnt this - other japanese friends confirm this)
>    Furthermore, I know many europeans (most of them are women), who find 
>    thamselves uncomfortable/unaccepted in america. 
>    Furthermore, I have known Indian colleagues, who are convinced
>    that a non-Indian can never be an Indian...........
>    In summary, prejudiced people exist everywhere.

   >No matter how much you try to convince your fellow European American
   >friends that you are an American,British,Australian....by virtue of
   >birth or otherwise. They will only laugh at you in their hearts.

>    Why do you have to "try to convince" something like that?
>    Just curious.

   T.Y.
   ----
   tyadav@athena.mit.edu
--------------------------------

Why do you see European as ONE SINGLE RACE not as German,French,British,Irish,Italian,
Swedish.....when you SEE NON-Europeans as Japanese,Chinese,Indian,Pakistani .... ?
Take a typical application FORM in US. It asks for your race (optional) as follows

1- White 2 - Asian 3- ...   etc. 

Why Non-Europeans are identified by the region or
religion they originated from and ALL Europeans by the skin COLOR ONLY-> "WHITE" ? I have
the walls "WHITE" washed but that does not match the COLOR of European. If you want to
classify ALL Europeans by COLOR and not their origin then "Beige or RED/WHITE or 
White with brown patches so called FRICKLES" will be more appropriate.

I was not trying to convince of my citizenship. I was ONLY replying to a posting
which was TRYING to convince of being AN AMERICAN.
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From: amit@CS.Berkeley.EDU (Amit Gupta)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.us.asian-indian
Subject: Re: Indian software in the spotlight (Was Re: Pressure)
Date: 7 Jan 1993 22:32:15 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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In article <1igs63INN2b6@agate.berkeley.edu>, mvij@ocf.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:

 [ D E L E T E D ]

|>  The head of Texas Instruments-
|> Bangalore said on NPR last night that the IIT grads he employs are awesome
|> in their analytic capabilities, far superior to U.S. engineers, and although
|> were initially employed for cheaper labor, are now supplying great design
|> ideas.

:) (though i do feel that the IITs are excessively hyped up)

|> According to my dad, this is because the Indian Institutes of Technology
|> are so single-minded in their approach to teaching engineering: one basic
|> humanities class followed by straight engineering from all angles, and
|> homework that combined eats up 18 of the 24 hours in the day.  Perhaps you
|> net.IIT grads could comment.

I guess I qualify. 

One important distinction, as Manish correctly indicates, is that the IITs are
(more or less) exclusively engineering schools. Only 300 students are admitted
at each campus every year. The class size is small (30-50 students in a class).
Undergrad education is stressed. And yes, you need a lot of engineering credits.

I cannot agree with the comment about the homework. In my view, the students in
the US do a lot more homework, and spend much more time studying, as compared
to an "average" IIT student. I do remember that the reading and studying was
very concentrated... around exam time!! I do not remember many weekly homeworks,
or reports. Grading was based on exams, usually 3 per course per semester. 

Getting good grades was a high priority; learning, usually not.

 [ D E L E T E D ]

|> Manish

Of course, I can only talk of IIT Delhi, but I doubt if other IITs were 
very different.

Comments welcome. Flames will be ignored, as usual.

-amit
 Amit Gupta
 amit@cs.Berkeley.EDU
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From: shashi@aix3090b.uky.edu (Shashi Sathaye)
Subject: infectious decease (Re: = Opportunity etc.)
    <shashi.726837222@aix3090b.uky.edu> <ARCHER.722.726857985@utkvm1.utk.edu>
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
X-Path: shashi
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:17:43 GMT

ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:

>In article <shashi.726837222@aix3090b.uky.edu> shashi@aix3090b.uky.edu (Shashi Sathaye) writes:
>>ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
ARCHER>>>People with contagious diseases should remove themselves from public, as 
ARCHER>>>they present a hazard of infection.  If they refuse to do so, they are 
ARCHER>>>assaulting the people around them and should be removed.
me>>Vow, do you mean if I get cold, I should just 'remove' myself? 

ARCHER>Yes

me>>What does remove mean? 

ARCHER>Call in sick.  Don't go to the movies.  Stay away from other people.  Don't 
ARCHER>be an infection vector.
As a short term solution this is sensible. In case of many diseases however, 
it is not quite known when the germs are spread around.

me>>What do I live on when I have removed myself? 

ARCHER>Your savings or your insurance.
Assuming I have it.

me>>Should I just wither
me>>and die?

ARCHER>What alternative do you suggest?
I can learn to live without 'infecting' other people. Diseases do not
get spread by just being around people with diseases. Read books written 
around 1910 describing Bubonic plague that went around in Cities for 2 years.
What controlled the disease was not the 'militant solutions' - like burn 
everything that the person has touched, but tremendous efforts of those who
worked to find the `cause' of the disease - and eventually a cure and people
who helped to kill the infected rats - in spite of the danger involved.

me>>What if I was diagnosed wrong?

ARCHER>Then you probably will die.  Incorrect diagnosis is going to exist under any 
ARCHER>system.
But then I actually would have been murdered by heartless people like you.
If I was allowed to go around and get more medical advice, I have a better 
chance to live and know that my disease is non-infectious after all.
Your whole attitude about contagious decease can not be applied practically.
It just has too many holes. If I am supposed to remove myself when I have
'cold' even, who will be able to check me? Are doctors and other people in
medical profession above being infected? 
If I want to live on my insurance, how do I get medicine - if there is any -
to cure my disease? The people in the drug store will be infected by me. If 
I make someone in my house come near me, they will get it, so should I leave
home?
Send me e-mail next time you get a flue. I will send you flowers, but then
you have to manage to get them without infecting a single soul.
--
--With best regards from Shashi
Login name: shashi | System Programmer By Profession | In real life:
                   | but heart(&SWEET-HEART) in Math.| Shashi Sathaye
shashi@ms.uky.edu	sysshash@ukcc.uky.edu  shashi@aix3090.uky.edu
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From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Queries on Career Choices
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:27:36 GMT

In article <7761@dove.nist.gov> hira@cme.nist.gov writes:
>I went to a Sindhi "Youth" Party last week and had some interesting
>conversations. The most interesting thing that I gathered was the
>abundance of people studying Pre-Med. I knew that a lot of 1st 
>generation people are motivated to go into medicine, but frankly I
>was a bit surprised at the number. 
>
>1. Why do so many young desis desire to be doctors?

Still the best way to gurantee that you will live comfortably and be
able to snag the most desirable spouses(in the Indian community)

>
>a. Because they are concerned about people and desire to help them.

Hardly. Last person who became a doctor to help people was a fellow
by the name of Schwitzer. :)

>
>b. They are following in the footsteps of their folks.

Not in most cases. They are following the footsteps to the bank.

>
>c. They are encouraged/coerced into it by their folks.
>(BTW, my mother is a physician and discouraged me from studying
>medicine)

Absolutely! Let's just say higly influenced by their parents. My
parents wanted me to go into medicine, but I have a weak stomach
for blood and guts. But my brother made my parents proud, he's
in medicine.

>
>d. They are materialistic, and realize that medicine is both lucrative
>and stable employment.

Sure! But what's wrong with that.

>
>e. They feel that becoming a doctor is their way of distinguishing 
>themselves in White American society.

No, I don't think so. Becoming a doctor is a good way to get that 
expensive car and house.
>
>f. They want to do better than their parents have.

That's the American dream.
>
>2. In general, how does the extremely (IMO) competitive nature 
>of Indian society in America affect 1st generation kids?

Makes many very judgemental. Many view academic success as the
only criterion for being a worthwhile person. People less
educated or not as bright are viewed in disdain.

>
>3. What are the ramifications, if any, of the high expectations of 
>parents and society on IAs? Society expects AA kids in general to 
>be "smarter" than WAs, particularly in math & society.

Only time will tell.
>
>4. What draws so many IAs to "practical" professions in general?
>(By practical I mean Eng/Comp.Sci, Law, Medicine, Accounting, etc.)

These are the fields in which the baggage of race, culture, 
language is least cumbersome. Oh! plus the pay is good. I mean, I
maybe able to act circles around Olivier, but I will never get the
parts for mainstream roles. Plus, the arts are considered "risky"
careers. Not a very good likelyhood of making it big.


I think if I was 18 again, and knew what I know today, I would 
study film.



Rakesh Patel
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From: tyadav@athena.mit.edu (T.Y.)
Subject: ........O little birds, when would you be free?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:26:04 GMT

======================================

 1947 was when they got their independence,
 independence from british rulers,
 before that was the mogul dynasty,
 and before that were many more dynasties. 

 between these dynasties,
 few things changed, changes like
 the god of the ruler's faith, 
 the color of the ruler's skin, 
 the language of the ruler's dictums....

 the content was always the same
 the individuals were always suppressed
 either in the name of sati, caste or some such cause
 or in the name of the begum sahiba or the glory of queen

 independence followed slavery
 slavery followed independence

 independent they did become
 many times over
 the fundamental question is
 when will they become free?
 free to pursue their dreams
 free from prejudice
 free to suffer their negligence
 free to exalt unto their greatness
 free from the compulsion to serve someone else
 free enough to let every one else be free 

 hmmm,
 O little birds, when would you be free?

T.Y.			(who sometimes gets this instant poem-bug)	
----					
tyadav@athena.mit.edu
....................................socialism is slavery too
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From: tyadav@athena.mit.edu (T.Y.)
Subject: Re: Pressure
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 01:12:42 GMT

========================================
 mba2@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>Subject:	Societal /Parental Pressure placed on young children
>		in our culture to attain "greatness"
>
>Question:	Is our culture /parental pressure too demanding of
>		our children to succeed? 

 With all this discussion of being american / being indian / being global
 and being just yourself (tm).... it would help if the "our" in "our
 culture" was bit more specific. :)

 Contextually, it seems you are talking about indian culture...?

>Case 2:	A friend of mine started colled early (16) and did not
>		do so well the first semester.  Possibly it was because
>		he did not have the opportunity to grow up with his 
>		fellow classmates, possibly not (he only went to 
>		high school for 3 years).  I am not sure though, because
>		I started when I was 17 and another friend of mine 
>		started when he was 16 and I believe we turned out o.k.
>		In my experience I have had three friends who started 
>		college at age 16.  Two of these three went through a
>		great deal of hardship.

 I have this friend here at MIT, who joined the PhD program at age 16 with
 me in 1990.

 He did pretty well and has now moved from ChE (my dept) to Physics.
 Well, I would, therefore think it is individual specific. Oh yes, one
 more thing: His parents too (no he is not II nor IA) pressurized him to
 choose more practical field for grad studies. After lots of evenings of
 debates between him and me, he chose to do what he wanted to explore - 
 theoretical stuff. 

 Years just fly by, don't they?

T.Y.
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From: ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer)
Subject: Re: = Opportunity etc.
Organization: University of Tennessee 
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:59:45 GMT

In article <shashi.726837222@aix3090b.uky.edu> shashi@aix3090b.uky.edu (Shashi Sathaye) writes:
>ARCHER@utkvm1.utk.edu (T. Archer) writes:
>
>>hira>
>>clark>|> Not for things that fall under "really nice things for someone to do
>>clark>|> for somebody", i.e. charity. This includes
>>clark>|> 	welfare
>>clark>|> 	medicine
>>clark>|> 	disaster "relief"
>>hira>
>>hira>What about education? Medicine is charity, eh? What do you tell people
>>hira>who carry contagious diseases?
>
>>These are all services  that have to be paid for.  The people who use 
>>services should be the ones to pay for them.  
>
>>People with contagious diseases should remove themselves from public, as 
>>they present a hazard of infection.  If they refuse to do so, they are 
>>assaulting the people around them and should be removed.
>Vow, do you mean if I get cold, I should just 'remove' myself? 

Yes

>What does remove mean? 

Call in sick.  Don't go to the movies.  Stay away from other people.  Don't 
be an infection vector.

>What do I live on when I have removed myself? 

Your savings or your insurance.

>Should I just wither
>and die?

What alternative do you suggest?

>What if I was diagnosed wrong?

Then you probably will die.  Incorrect diagnosis is going to exist under any 
system.

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From: vagarwal@dis9002.shearson.com (Virendra Agarwal)
Subject: Re: being asian-indian/american
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   In article <1993Jan5.163757.28163@cbfsb.cb.att.com> rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel) writes:
   >
   >I love it when I here that I speak English very well. :)
		     ^^^^

>>   ... but your spelling could use a little extra work :-)

>>   Shiv

   >
   >Rakesh Patel

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There is no need to be that picky !!
I thought ONLY British had the right on English Language but I guess I was wrong.

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From: esti@quads.uchicago.edu (Paul A. Estin)
Subject: Re: being asian-indian/american
Reply-To: esti@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: U. Michigan Cognitive Psychology
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:52:30 GMT

Forgive me if I get any references incorrect...

> In article <VAGARWAL.93Jan4110437@dis9002.shearson.com>
vagarwal@tardis.shearson.com writes:

>Take a typical application FORM in US. It asks for your race
>(optional) as follows

>1- White 2 - Asian 3- ...   etc. 
>
>Why Non-Europeans are identified by the region or
>religion they originated from and ALL Europeans by the skin COLOR ONLY->

rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel):

>Well, either have the following:
>
>1-brown 2-blue 3-beige 4-pink 5-red 6- .....and so on
>
>OR
>
>1-British 2- German 3- Italian 4- African 5- Asian
>
>Does it make it clear enough?
>
>The Race options are given what is convenient to Europeans.
>Do not assume anything. It is called brain wash --- "white means this and that ..."

I agree that such a race-based division makes little if any sense,
whatever the actual labels used.  However, I think you're reading in
false motives behind such form-questions.  Pretty much the only reason
the 'race' question is included, is because it's often required by the
federal government.  And the reason the federal government requires
it, by and large, is to gather statistics to see if any particular
race is being unfairly underrepresented (and thus, it is assumed,
discriminated against).

Personally, though, I believe that dividing people up thusly has some
very counterproductive side effects, even if the intent *is* noble.
(I also have heard some horror stories about which sorts of
'underrepresentations' the government chooses to prosecute, such as a
small-scale inner-city Chicago lamp shade manufacturer who had 'too
many Hispanics' and 'not enough blacks' among the staff.  Due to the
imbalance, plus a few dubious complaints from people had been fired,
the government eventually put the company out of business.  Now *all*
the workers there are unemployed.  Your tax dollars at work.)

Besides, lumping together everyone from the Lebanese to South Asians
to Indonesians to Japanese to Siberian Eskimos as "Asian", is about as
pointless a category as you can get. :-)

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From: rrp@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (rakesh.r.patel)
Subject: Re: Rhodes & Marshall scholarships
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:53:11 GMT

In article <C0I8Hx.C2G@ecf.toronto.edu> rairan@ecf.toronto.edu (RAI Ranjan) writes:
>In article <1ihmapINNlf5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> baindur@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Satyen G Baindur) writes:
>
>The British would not have had an empire if they did not have India.  And
>now, a country of 850+ million has a quota of only 2 of these prestigious
>scholarships and The United States, the colony that successfully rebeled, now
>has 16.

Wrong. The US has 32 Rhodes Scholarships. 

Rakesh Patel

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