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From: sanner@track.physics.usfca.edu (David Sanner)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: LAT for Sun 4.1.3 ?
Date: 19 Nov 92 23:33:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of San Francisco
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I want to get LAT running on my Sparc-4.1.3

I want it because LAT works a lot better with my
terminal servers than telnet. (FLOW-CONTROL , CLEARING-OUTPUT-BUFF )

Please email any info to   sanner@usfca.edu.
(Trouble with getting all of the posted articles now.)


                                Thank,

                                        David.



--
                                      David Sanner  (sanner@physics.usfca.edu)
                                      U of S.F.    Physics Research Laboratory
                                      S.F., CA 94117      (415) 666-2962
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: georg@sgl.ists.ca (Georg Feil)
Subject: Re: avoiding Solaris
Organization: Institute for Space and Terrestrial Science
Date: 18 Nov 92 18:27:03 GMT

cm@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU (Charles Meo) writes:
>anyone who thinks running a 600-user supermini will be as easy as running a PC
>in the brave new world is in for a nasty shock.

I administer a SunOS 4.1.1 system with diskless workstations and a bunch of
networked PCs, and to me the PCs are much harder to administer. More 
variability, always need to walk around to each PC to fix things on the local
disk, no protection in DOS so any user can screw up anything he wants, not to
mention the horror of Microsoft Windows...

Georg.
-- 
Georg Feil                                 Internet: georg@sgl.ists.ca
Space Geodynamics Laboratory
ISTS, 2700 Steeles Ave West                   Phone: (416) 665-5458
Toronto, Ontario  CANADA                        Fax: (416) 660-1422
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: rock@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Bill Petro)
Subject: Re: Searching for E-mail package
Organization: SunSoft, Colorado Springs, CO
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 21:33:23 GMT

rob@hp11 (Rob Freyder) writes:

>In <tkevans.722019653@eplrx7.es.dupont.com> tkevans@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Tim Evans) writes:

>>karl@BofA.com (Karl Nicholas) writes:

>>>In article <BxMtso.Ipz@beach.csulb.edu> kumeda@beach.csulb.edu (ANDY KUMEDA) writes:
>>>>
>>>>We are currently searching for E-mail/Office Automation packages that will
>>>>serve several thousand users based on the following criteria:
>>>>
>>>>  1) Must support X-Window (OpenLook or Motif) either through an X-terminal
>>>>     or a PC running an X-server.

>Check out Z-mail

>>>>  2) Must also support PCs running DOS, with a TCP/IP network connection.

>You  might  want to further clarify this requirement. I assume Windows 3.x
>is not in use so you are probably talking about a character based version.


>>>>  3) In addition, a non-X version (character-based -- ASCII terminals) is 
>>>>     preferable, but not required.

>I believe Z-mail has this or is working on it.

Zmail comes in 3 flavors (indeed, the O'Reily manual shows a chariot with 3
horses): tty, visual (curses, which I use) and GUI (both Motif and OW).

>>>>  4) Must be able to 'customize' -- ie original text to be replied or
>>>>     forwarded should not be modifiable.

>This  could  be  difficult  ...  When  I reply I usually do just what I am
>doing  here.  I  embed  my  replies  in  the  original text and frequently
>delete the unnecessary parts.

>>>>  5) Must support SMTP.

>Not a problem.

>>>>  6) Vendor must have good technical support.  
>                         ^^^^

Z-code (creator of Zmail) has excellent turnaround on support.

Bill "Rock" Petro - SunSoft Product Marketing


     Bill Petro      bill.petro@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM
"UNIX for the sake of the kingdom of heaven"  Matthew 19:12
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: zcjm0f@wwnv45.uucp (CJohn Mace)
Subject: Re: Can't build kernel after upgrade to 4.1.3
Keywords: n
Organization: Amoco Production
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 16:42:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.025053.21625@aurora.dar.csiro.au> cce@dar.csiro.au writes:
>In article 1986@attain.icd.teradyne.com, jxh@certes.icd.teradyne.com (Jim Hickstein) writes:
>> I just upgraded my 4/670-140 to 4.1.3, from 4.1.1 (skipping 4.1.2), and
>> everything went fairly smoothly, until I tried to rebuild my custom
>> kernel.  When make tries to link vmunix, I get the following unresolved
>> references:
>> 
>> loading vmunix
>> ld: Undefined symbol
>>    _maxasynchio_cached
>>    _perproc_maxasynchio
>> *** Error code 2
>> 
>> I'll call Sun on Monday, but I wonder if anyone else has seen this.  I
>> removed the LWP and ASYNCHIO from my config file and rebuilt, but to no
>> avail.  I did a "make clean; make" figuring that the 4.1.1 objects needed
>> cleaning out, but it didn't make any difference.
>> 
>> Please reply by email and I will summarize.
>> 
>> -Running GENERIC until further notice,
>> 
>> -- 
>> "Neither can His Mind be thought to be in Tune whose Words do Jarre;
>>  Nor His Reason in Frame whose Sentence is Preposterous."
>> Jim Hickstein, Teradyne Inc., San Jose CA, (408) 434-0822 FAX -0252
>> jxh@icd.teradyne.com   ...!apple!attain!jxh
>
>
>Following Sun's example of PICKLE as the custom kernel, I have found it necessary to add an extra step in configuring the kernel.
>    cp GENERIC PICKLE      ### or your existing custom kernel ###
>    rm -r ../PICKLE        ###  extra step necessary to overcome problem specified ###
>    /etc/config PICKLE
>    cd ../PICKLE
>     and so on......
>
>Clive Elsum  cce@dar.csiro.au
>

or how about "make clean all"

cjohn mace
zcjm0f@hou.amoco.com
From: barmar@think.com (Barry Margolin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Solaris 2.x: resistance to it?
Date: 18 Nov 1992 22:33:39 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: telecaster.think.com

In article <1992Nov18.141013.22833@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Thomas.Weihrich@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Thomas Weihrich) writes:
>Yes, at Augsburg University folks are not moving to Solaris 2.x.
...
>So I guess we'll be using the Sun machines until they
>break apart and then move to a different vendor (probably DEC).

If you think converting from a Sun running Solaris 1.x to a Sun running
Solaris 2.x is too painful to contemplate, what makes you think that
converting to a DEC system running OSF/x or Windows NT will be any easier?
At least Solaris 2.x claims it will run well-behaved Solaris 1.x
executables.

-- 
Barry Margolin
System Manager, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com          {uunet,harvard}!think!barmar
From: tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: DNS *with* NIS
Date: 23 Nov 1992 15:36:39 -0500
Organization: P.L.T.S., North Plainfield, New Jersey, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: plts.uucp

In <MELLAN.92Nov23171630@syst06.acri.fr> mellan@syst06.acri.fr (Alain Mellan) writes:

>My problem is the following:

>I would like to resolve machines names using DNS, then /etc/hosts,
>then the NIS. The resolv+ package allow to resolve with DNS and then
>/etc/hosts.
>I would like to have in /etc/resolv.conf a line that reads

>	order bind,local,nis

>Before I start hacking into resolv+, I'd like to know if someone
>already tried and/or succeeded implementing such a beast.

The version that is in beta lets you do this and some other nice
things too.  It should be out soon.

Tom
P.S.  Please do not write to me about this, I'm not the author
I'm just a beta tester.
-- 
Tom Limoncelli -- tal@plts.uucp (home) -- tal@warren.mentorg.com (work)
"Higgy higgy forward, higgy higgy higgy higgy higgy shake!  Yeeaaah!"

1004211322700352222
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: adne@ddb.be.statoil.no (Adne Hestenes)
Subject: Re: Loadable scsi device drivers ??
Reply-To: adne@ddb.be.statoil.no (Adne Hestenes)
Organization: Statoil
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 09:19:43 GMT

In article <Bxu5vv.BK8@cd.com>, mike@cd.com (Mike Heins) writes:
> (Steinar Haug) writes:
> >larry@shark.mitra.com (Larry Williamson) writes:
> >> Sun's loadable device drivers seem like a real nice thing.
> >>
> >> Can this technique be used for a scsi driver, considering most scsi
> >> drivers are called (xxprobe()) at boot time? 
> >
> >Sorry, the answer is no. In SunOS 4.1.x you cannot have loadable SCSI
> >drivers. (Yes, it would have been nice...)  In Solaris 2.x, yes.
> >
> 
> It is only theoretically impossible.  In practice, it can be done.  We
> use it for our scsiTerminal Server driver.
> 
> But Sun doesn't support it.  One of our engineers reversed his
> direction and figured out how to do it.  It has remained consistent
> enough in implementation so as to work unchanged from 4.1 to 4.1.3.
> 
> Regards,
> Mike Heins
> ------------------------
> Central Data Corporation	"Makers of the scsiTerminal Server"
> 1602 Newton Drive		(800) 482-0315
> Champaign, IL 61821		mike@cd.com   or  ..!uunet!cendata!mike

I bought a loadable SCSI device driver for Sun, which was used for an X-ray
scanner.
I worked well...

Regards
Adne Hestenes
BDC
Norway
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From: at018@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dale Houston)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.apps
Subject: Re: newsprint 1.x/2.0
Date: 17 Nov 1992 14:53:44 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


If you change the setup file for newsprint to write the 'work' 
files to /tmp, and if you are using tmpfs, you ought to get a little
bit better performance. Alas, those files will still be there.

-- 
dale houston
the cleveland clinic foundation
all opinions are mine (natch!)
dhouston@bio.ri.ccf.org
From: fletcher@cs.utexas.edu (Fletcher Mattox)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: X11R4 hoses SS10
Date: 20 Nov 1992 16:53:01 -0600
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: ai.cs.utexas.edu

If someone is foolish enough to start an X11R4 server on our SS10
running 4.1.3, the machine hangs.  Completely.  L1-A will not recover;
a power cycle is required.  I say foolish only because X11R4 is known
to not work with the cgsix0 framebuffer and because X11R5 is installed
on the machine, works fine, and she should be using that anyway.  But
the real question is, what causes the machine to hang so badly?

When an unsolicited SS10 patch (100743_01) arrived from Sun in the
mail (it must really have been important to send this to someone
without a support contract), I figured this might solve the
problem.  But no luck.  It still hangs.

Here's the tail of what trace(1) manages to print before it hangs.
The wait4() looks suspicious.  There's no fork() in the trace.

	cascade% trace /lusr/bin/X11/X

	[ ... ]

	open ("/lusr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/6x13.sn".., 0, 0666) = 10
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	brk (0xd6038) = 0
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "N_X\0RESOLUTION_Y\0SPACING\0C\0AVERA".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 272
	close (10) = 0
	wait4 (0, 0, 0, 0) = -1 ECHILD (No children)
	open ("/lusr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/cursor.".., 0, 0666) = 10
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	brk (0xd9038) = 0
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 1024
	read (10, "".., 1024) = 292
	close (10) = 0
	wait4 (0, 0, 0, 0) = -1 ECHILD (No children)
From: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu (Frank Peters)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Disturbing News about Printing Under Solaris 2.1
Date: 22 Nov 92 15:08:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.1992Nov22.150831.4568
Organization: Computing Center, Mississippi State University

In article <1992Nov21.081101.1876@ukw.uucp> lupe@ukw.uucp (Lupe Christoph) says:
: dlukas@fenway.bu.edu (David Lukas) writes:
: >            In any case I don't think NeWSprint itself works under
: >Solaris 2.1 -- I know there is a compatibility mode but NeWSprint does
: >some funny things that might not work in compatibility mode.
: 
: There is *no* compatibilty mode *inside* the kernel. Device drivers
: and STREAMS modules must be ported or recompiled.

His point, I think, is that newsprint is unlikely to work even if you
want to drive some other type of printer off the parallel port that
ships with the newer systems.

Remember, newsprint and the lpvi device drivers are two separate packages
even though they are both necessary to drive a sparcprinter.

: >My Sun rep tells me that the whole setup will be ported to Solaris 2.1
: >by March.
: 
: This is the sore spot of the entire Solaris 2 story. The optional
: software is lagging behind a lot. Have a look at the SunLink
: and SunNet products. Same story.

I get a strong impression of confusion within Sun.  I get the impression
that most of Sun expected the transition to be a gradual migration pushed
throughout 1993.  The Viking multiprocessors were to be a reasonable 
carrot to encourage sites to make the move.

Then SMCC went and introduced several more new machines in the low end
and the high end and the whole thing got more rushed.  Now other parts
of Sun seem to be finding themselves pressured to deliver sooner than
they expected to be.
--
Frank Peters  -  UNIX Systems Programmer  -  Mississippi State University
Internet: fwp@CC.MsState.Edu  -  Phone: (601)325-7030  -  FAX: (601)325-8921
From: gdc11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.D. Carver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Problems with OW3 mailtool
Keywords: OW3, Mailtool
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:56:46 GMT
Organization: U of Cambridge, England

Apologies if this has come up before on this newsgroup but I've only
just now had access to news.

Ever since upgrading to OW3, I've been plagued by not having enough
space in /var/spool/mail for users default mailboxes. With the version
of mailtool in OW2, I use to get users to have 
'set nohold'
in their .mailrc file so that read messages would automatically be moved
to their private mbox. But now with OW3 version, this no longer happens,
Mailtool ignores the nohold variable.  Is this a known bug and is there a
patch?

A better solution would be to have mail deliver messages direct to a users
private mbox and never have it appear in /usr/spool/mail at all. The
environment variable MAIL can be used to make mail and mailtool use a 
different default InBox (e.g. setenv MAIL /home/user/mail/InBox) but mail
is still delivered to /usr/spool/mail. What needs changing to get sendmail
(or /bin/mail??) to deliver to the file specified by the MAIL variable?

Can anyone help me out?


Glenn Carver
Systems Adminstrator
Cambridge Centre for Atmospheric Science
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin,comp.sys.sun.apps
From: "Chris Martin" <wk04331@psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Can I download news to my PC?
Reply-To: chris.martin@amd.com
Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:04:05 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)

>DATE:   Thu, 19 Nov 1992 12:22:51 GMT
>FROM:   andrew.d.hay <adh@cbnews.cb.att.com>
>
>In article <1992Nov18.140431.288@evb.com> mahesh@evb.com writes:
>"My colleagues are on the road very often. They are using
>"Portable mail to download email from our Unix machines to
>"their laptops to read email and thus save $$ on phone
>"bills. They want to download news from these unix machines
>"so that we can save some more $$$ !!!! Are there any
>"public domain <grin> packages or commercially available
>"packages which will do this?
>
>waffle turns your peecee into a news node; there's a newsgroup for it.

I am not familiar with waffle, but I am with PSIlink.  Performance 
Systems International just released PSIlink for DOS and for the Apple 
Macintosh .  I commute 4 hours a day 
and have used it every day for the past two weeks.  The software is free 
but access to their nationwide Points of Presence and their server range 
from 20-40 dollars per month (depending on options and speed).  Some 
points of presence charge an hourly rate.  It implements a lightweight 
TCP/IP-like protocol and allows downloading of mail/news from their server.
(you get an account like the one I'm posting from) as well as batched 
FTP requests.

For additional cost, you can get a packet radio modem to be able to 
download and upload on the go.

It looks like you can mail to psilink-billing@psi.com for more info.
I am not related to PSI but am a satisfied customer.

--Chris
  really, chris@amd.com
From: mesm@netcom.com (Mary E. S. Morris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: HELP!  Openwindows is giving me big woes
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:40:08 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

jim@thor.albany.edu (SCHLEMMER JAMES A) writes:
: is trying to run openwindows.  The way I had things set up before was that
: I NFS mounted the entire /usr/openwin directory off of a local machine (I 
: only have the 207Mb Sun disk).  It worked very well before my recent disaster
: but now, after I've got my machine up and running, when I do a
: 
: % /usr/openwin/bin/openwin
: 
: I get the following error messages:
: 
: ld.so: libsunwindow.so.0: not found
: giving up.
: /usr/openwin/bin/xinit:  No such file or directory (errno 2):  unable to connect to X server
: 
: Here's what my setenv looks like:
: 
: HOME=/home/jim
: SHELL=/bin/csh
: TERM=sun
: USER=jim
: PATH=.:/home/jim:/usr/local/bin:/usr/gnu/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/usr/ucb:/usr/bin:/usr/etc:/usr/lib:/usr/lang:/home/jim/bin:/sol_home/stuff/bin
: LOGNAME=jim
: PWD=/home/jim
: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/openwin/lib
: OPENWINHOME=/usr/openwin
: WPTERM51=gui_color
: TAPE=/dev/rwd0
: 
: Also, when I do a trace of the whole thing, I can gleen little from it.
: 
: I've determined that libsunwindow.so.0.53 is kept in /usr/openwin/lib/server.
: So I made a link from libsunwindow.so.0 to it but to no avail.
This file is actually kept in /usr/openwin/lib on most standard setups.
Add the /usr/openwin/lib/server path to the LD_LIBRARY variable
if your personal stuff is in different places.
: 
: 

--
Mary E. S. Morris    |  The future exists first in imagination, then
mesm@netcom.COM      |  in will, then in reality. -- Galivan Burwell
=====================================================================
Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA
From: guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: Re: Strange MOTD
Date: 16 Nov 92 18:56:52 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

>>It means that some piece of SunOS has stuck stuff from "/etc/mtab" at
>>the end of "/etc/motd".  I've seen both Suns and Auspexes, running
>>various flavors of SunOS, do that.  Dunno why, at this point....
>
>It seems that NFS has a small but nonzero probability
>for confusing buffers.

Yes, some versions of the SunOS NFS client code will do that on
occasion... 

...however, Auspexes can't run diskless:

	1) their network interfaces live on a board with a 68020 or
	   68EC030 on it, and a PROM sufficient only to download real
	   software, and the host processor has to download the board
	   before it can talk at all on the network;

	2) the number of cases where one would want to have a file
	   server boot over NFS seems fairly small in any case :-);

so the NFS client code can't be blamed for the problem as seen on
Auspexes.
From: hfi@coli.uni-sb.de (Hannes Fischer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
Subject: /sbin/init burns cpu time?
Date: 22 Nov 1992 22:12:24 +0100
Organization: Computational Linguistics Dept., U Saarbruecken
NNTP-Posting-Host: coli-gate.coli.uni-sb.de
Keywords: Sun4/25 ELC SUNOS4.1.1B init

Hi everyone,

i'm having a bit of trouble with a 4/25 (ELC). 
After an uptime of about 8-10 hours, /sbin/init
starts to accumulate CPU time almoust in 'realtime'.
System utilization (vmstat) is at ~90%, with 0% idle
time left. /sbin/init is at ~95% CPU utilization. 
There are usually some zombie processes lying around; 
also, the getty on ttya doesn't get respawned. Network 
services (rlogin, telnet, NFS) are still working. The 
only recourse is to reboot the machine.

The machine has 24M RAM, 2*2G SCSI drives, running
SunOS4.1.1B (slightly tuned GENERIC), and provides
NFS service to 2 other SPARCs (don't ask why...),
and AppleShare fileservice (via CAP) to ~10-15 
macintoshes.

Is there a possible hardware failure that would explain
this behavior? - I recently had to swap the system board,
and I didn't have any problems until then (or at least didn't
notice). 

Needless to say, any help will be greatly appreciated :)

-Hannes.
-- 
Hannes Fischer, U Saarbruecken, Dept. of Computational Linguistics
hfi@coli.uni-sb.de (work) - hfi@uhf.saar.sub.org (home)
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: mills@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Gary Mills)
Subject: Re: Problems with OW3 mailtool
Keywords: OW3, Mailtool
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:54:19 GMT

In <1992Nov18.135646.4302@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdc11@cus.cam.ac.uk (G.D. Carver) writes:

>Ever since upgrading to OW3, I've been plagued by not having enough
>space in /var/spool/mail for users default mailboxes. With the version
>of mailtool in OW2, I use to get users to have 
>'set nohold'
>in their .mailrc file so that read messages would automatically be moved
>to their private mbox. But now with OW3 version, this no longer happens,
>Mailtool ignores the nohold variable.  Is this a known bug and is there a
>patch?

The problem may be the ``set hold'' that appears in /usr/lib/Mail.rc.
Try changing that.
-- 
-Gary Mills-         -Networking Group-          -U of M Computer Services-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.admin
From: rjsmith@iron.hq.aflc.af.mil (Randy Smith)
Subject: Re: Novell Netware Sun Server
Organization: U.S. Air Force Security Assistance Center (AFSAC)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 14:31:24 GMT


fu@teal.csn.org (Joe Fu) writes:

>I am in the beginning of investigating the possibility of running
>Novell Netware on Sun Unix workstation.  Can anyone give me the
>answer of following questions?

Ask your local Sun office for a copy of the Sun Technical White Paper
called "Netware on SPARC/Solaris".  It explains how Netware SunLink works
and what functions it provides.  We've been evaluating NetWare SunLink
(beta version) on a Sparc2 and have found that NetWare functionality on the
Sun is identical to what a "normal" Native NetWare (PC-based) server would
provide.  The only difference is that SunLink Netware does not support NLMs
or Mac connections at this time.  Sun's opinion is that if you want server
based software (programs that execute on the server like an NLM) then go with
UNIX-based software.

--Randy--

-- 
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