From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Gay teens, suicide, Christianity, and Judaism
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 18:08:02 GMT

To residents of s.c.j:  It seems there is a Jew-hater in talk.religion.misc.
To quote a previous article of his:

>3. Question every value and every system of belief of anyone who rejects
>   you based on your sexual orientation, and reject any of their values
>   and systems of belief that generate and support this judgement.
>   This will result in ridding you of the immediate influence of
>   Christianity and Judaism, both of which are cesspools of ignorance
>   and phantasy and hothouses for the plagues of hatreds for which
>   mankind has butchered his fellows.
>
>   Trust no one who practices the Christian or Jewish religions until
>   they prove to your satisfaction that they have recognized the
>   evils in the very hearts of these religions and have cut these
>   cancers out of their own religious views and practices.
>   These are religions of intolerance and power, and they are obsessed
>   with punishment, bloodshed and death.  Anyone who claims to be
>   a Christian or a Jew and cannot or will not demonstrate that he
>   has repudiated the power-lusting part of his heritage is an
>   assassin poised to rip your throat open as a sacrifice to his
>   blood-drinking god.

In article <92105.113451SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET> SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>In article <1992Apr13.233232.5687@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu>,
>>Speak for yourself.  You may think it's pretty clever.
>I do speak for myself.  Life and death are not matters of "cleverness".
>If you think cleverness was the point you are in desperate need of a
>frontal lobotomy.

Life and death are exactly what I was talking about.  You are inciting hatred
and murder.

>>talking about someone else's religion like this,
>>generalizing to Jews from your experiences with
>>Christians.  I am reminded more of the times when not only was Judaism
>>condemned as a bloodthirsty religion, but then this
>>was used as a reason for
>>non-Jews to murder all the Jews they could find.
>Eat your red herring, chum.  It doesn't change the facts.

I just presented you with facts: words identical to yours were used to
slaughter Jews for millennia.  Normally when Nazis are mentioned in a Usenet
argument, it's nearly over, but I'm not so sure now.  (Ironically enough,
the Nazis went after gays too, yet you're spouting propaganda that any good
German in WWII would have been proud to Sieg Heil to.)

>The Hebrew scriptures are used by the Christians as a basic component
>of their tradition, and these writings pile book upon book as grim,
>bloodthirsty and arrogant as the heroes of any Rambo-type flick.

So blame the _Christians_ for that.  Not the Jews.

>Check into soc.culture.jewish and you will find recurring discussions
>of homosexuality, plenty of homophobia and citations from the
>Jewish scriptures galore.  Not one whit different than what goes
>down in talk.religion.misc or soc.culture.christian.

Apparently you have never checked out soc.culture.jewish.

>>I think you were totally out of line here, especially
>>considering even the subject line mentions only Christianity.
>In addition to discussions on soc.culture.jewish I have been acquainted
>with gay men and lesbians with from families of religious Jews.  I
>also do intakes in a clinical services department of a social service
>agency which has a large gay male clientele, many of them Jewish.

What you actually _said_ was that since Christian parents nearly drove you to
suicide, therefore Jews are bloodthirsty.  Some of us still remember the
last time people said Jews were bloodthirsty.
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