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From: TJFAN@watson.ibm.com
Subject: Robinson back to USC as head coach
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 19:22:49 GMT
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USA Today, January 4th: ... Southern Cal earlier forced the resignation of coach
Larry Smith, whose last three seasons produced a 17-17-2 record.
Robinson, 57, coached the Trojans to a 67-14-2 record from 1976-82, winning three
Rose Bowls and a share of the 1978 national championship. His teams finished No.2
in 1976 and 1979 and produced Heisman Trophy winners Charles White (1979) and
Marcus Allen (1981).
"I can't tell you how much of an honor and a privilege it is to be back coaching
at USC", said Robinson.....
 
Well, that's the news. He is the last USC coach to beat Notre Dame. I don't know
if he rescue the Trojans just like Gene Stallings did to Alabama, but with his
record at Rams, I have some reservation about it.
 
Again, next year at South Bend, 11-in-a-row, I still think.


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From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Miami Sugar Bowl Question
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:37:36 GMT
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In <1993Jan8.185454.8928@nntpserver.chevron.com> hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com writes:

> dhead writes:
> >>> 
> >>>- goober (what's the name of that damn bird anyways) smith
> >>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >Actually, I thought it was Sebastian.  He's an ibis, although it looks like
> >the Crimson tide mistook him for a chicken and plucked him and fried him up
> >for dinner!
> 
> An _ibis_?  What's that?  And what makes it so unique?
> 
> --J.J.

  The Ibis is the first bird to leave when the tide comes in, and the last to
return as it leaves.

  I know I'll get in trouble for this...


semper fi,

Jammer Jim Miller 
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From: lein@cat.bae.bellcore.com (John Leinaweaver)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Reply-To: lein@bae.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 20:18:29 GMT

In article <450@rd1.interlan.com>, tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez) writes:
> mm42@prism.gatech.EDU (Mark Mitchell) writes:
> >tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez) wrote:
> >}
> >}A lot is said about Miami's home field advantage when they play in the
> >}Orange Bowl, but no one seems to care that the SEC enjoys the same
> >}advantage when they play in the Sugar.  
> >
> >No one seems to care because it's not true.  It would only be the
> >same advantage if Alabama played the Sugar Bowl in Bryant-Denny
> >Stadium or Legion Field in Birmingham.  And plenty of people 
> >certainly do care that Alabama gets to play the SEC championship
> >in their home stadium.  Alabama has played in the Superdome about
> >as often in the last ten years as Miami has (3 times apiece, I think.)
> >
> >The crowd is only one part of the home field advantage, and Alabama
> >certainly enjoyed a less partisan crowd in the Sugar Bowl than 
> >Miami gets in the Orange Bowl.
> 
> I was at both this year's Sugar Bowl and last year's Orange Bowl and the
> Sugar Bowl was definitively louder than the Orange was last year.  
> 
> And other that the crowd, what other home field advantage does the Orange
> Bowl gives the Hurricanes?
> 
> >
> >}                                        At least Miami doesn't play in
> >}the Orange every year.
> >
> >What??!?!?  Miami plays 6 or 7 games in the Orange Bowl every year.
> >
> 
> I meant that Miami doesn't play in the Orange Bowl Classic every year,
> as the SEC does in the Sugar Bowl.
> 
> My point is that the SEC as a whole (not just Alabama) receives as much
> of an advantage when playing in the Sugar Bowl as Miami does when playing
> in the OBC.  
> 
> -- 
> 
> Tony L. Fernandez
> 

Like Miami and the Orange bowl, Alabama doesn't play in the Sugar Bowl
every year.  Many Alabama players certainly didn't play in the Sugar bowl
before (the Orange Bowl certainly is a bigger home field advantage to Miami 
than the Sugar Bowl is to Alabama).  What if this years Cotton Bowl was played
at South Bend or the Fiesta Bowl played at Colorado, would they be neutral
sites for Syracuse and A&M (in the few of a Hurricane fan)? 

I can't buy the excuse that Miami wasn't prepared for the noise in a dome.
They played at the Carrier Dome against a noisy hostile crowd and won.  


John L
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From: tjbowman@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Reply-To: tjbowman@emt.b17c.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:53:33 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.003135.3369@dbsun.uucp>, harbison@dbsun.uucp (harbison) writes:
|> 
|> Anyway, my point was that crow is a type of fowl, much like chicken is a
|> type of fowl, and every good Southern boy knows that barbequed chicken
|> should be served with white sauce.  Now I recommend the recipe used by
|> Greenbriar BBQ in Greenbriar Alabama (between Decatur and Huntsville).
|> If you can't make it down to Alabama, try mixin' up some vinegar,
|> mayonaise, and black pepper.  I don't know the proportions, so just make
|> an educated guess.  Try to err on the side of too much pepper.  Or you
|> could ask some of them folks with ".ingr.com" in their address to send
|> ya' a bottle or two.  I'm sure they'd be only happy to oblige.
|> 
	Definitly !!!!  Some of the best sauce made. Send me a couple of
	bucks and I'll sure send you folks some Greenbrier BBQ sauce.
	Never tried it on crow, but I bet it would be tasty !! d8^)

	Roll Tide !!
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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: Trying to discredit Alabama
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:24:40 GMT

In article <1ialnvINNfrs@haydn.crhc.uiuc.edu> ttsai@crhc.uiuc.edu (Timothy Tsai) writes:

>played great football and showed class throughout the game.  Unfortunately,
>there seems to be a conspiracy on this net.  >>Some<< posters are attempting to
>portray Alabama fans as being sore winners.  Some posts are getting ridiculous.

You're joking, right?  (I didn't see the smiley.)
All I've read on this net are posts about how that 'Canes are this and that
and deserved whatever, etc.  Most of the Alabama fans who've recently posted
are sore winners!  (Not that I disagree with that, or anything ...)

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From: pfleming@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick E Fleming)
Subject: Re: Cooper Wuss! Smith! Ohio St
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:29:36 GMT

james.r.fehrenbacher blathers:

>Earl Bruce's record was superior to Cooper Wuss! Cooper really earned
>my respect when he declined to go for 2 and a win against the Skunks
>from up North with 4 minutes to go in a tight game. Then with a 1 1/2 min.
>to go and 4th on the 49, he punts rather than go for a chance to win.
>And his bowl record for the Bucks has been perfect - 0 - 4! He's a big PUSSY 
>and shitty coach!  There are at least 5 coaches in the lowly Big 10 who are 
>better.

Perhaps you should apply for the job . . .

>Pres. Gee was stupid to extend his contract before the season started.

Gee's criterion was improvement in the program.  Considering that the Buckeye's
8-3-1 record is their best since Earle Bruce's 10-3 year, I would say that the 
team has improved.  Unfortunately, fans' expectations always seem to increase 
to some level beyond any realistic capactiy for the team's achievement.  But it
isn't too surprising when you read the local media...  An all-time stupid 
comment from the Sunday Columbus Dispatch claimed that the Ohio State women's 
basketball team's 8-0 record is their second best start ever.  I love this 
town!

>But at least Ohio State had more National Merit Scholars this
>year than any other Big 10 school.

Not too surpising actually when you consider that Ohio State has more students 
than any other Big Ten school . . .

> [but it's too weak academically for football players who want an education
> (:^) ]

Excuse me?

     - Pat
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From: sms35849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Scott M. Stortzum)
Subject: Marquette Smith
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:52:01 GMT

If I remember correctly, wasn't this guy one of the most heavily recruited
running backs in Florida a couple of years ago?  Whatever happened to him?

Thanks,
Scott

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From: hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang)
Subject: SEC is the BEST
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 10:56:59 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

Thanks to many who give me many facts to cleanup my ignorance, SEC is the
best this year.  Yeah!  How about destroying the Canes again next year?!

I enjoy Toretta's look a lot, ha ha!  And I wonder what would happen to
those "MIAMI HURRICANES - 1992 National Champion" T-shirts and sweaters...


- Louis Pang


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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: Florida!  THE college football state
Organization: Florida State University Department of Know-it-alls
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 21:57:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.211915.21948@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> wcd2z@curry.edschool.Virginia.EDU (William Camden Daniel) writes:
>Well the point most of you are missing is that Florida
>dominates both football and baseball for one reason and one
>only.  I used to live in Clearwater and played baseball.  But
                          ^^^^^^^^^^

Heh, me too...well, Dunedin actually...but they are pretty much the same 
thing.

>that's all I did.  I knew some kids who played football and
>that's it.  What it comes down to is that athletes in Florida
>are generally one-sport athletes.  Basketball is generally not
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Huh uh, not true at all. Most of my friends played baseball, soccer, track,
and anything else they could find to do. Your experience must be unique.
Just look at some of the players out of Florida like Deion Sanders, Kenny
Felder, and Dan Kanell (all FSU players I know, sorry). And there are plenty
of other multi-sport players from Florida out there.

Basketball _NOT_ a big sport in Florida? I think you should take a look at 
the listings of the top recruits in the country the past few years. Many,
many players are from Florida (Doug Edwards, the #3 recruit at the time, is
from Florida).

>a big sport there, but football and baseball are.  In most
>other states athletes in highschool are multi-sport athletes.
>When I arrived here in Virginia I just played baseball, but it
>was only a matter of time before I was running track, playing
>football and tennis all in the same year.  I even tried out for
>basketball.  I mean it makes sense to me that when one only
>plays one sport, one excells in that sport, thus the dominance
>of Florida schools in football and baseball is explained.
>
>Bill

Kevin

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From: jfrederi@encore.com (Justin Frederich)
Subject: Re: Pl explain the Bama penalty in Sugar Bowl
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:32:12 GMT

guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell) writes:

>As for the rest of it, *all* the questionable calls went against Alabama 

I haven't seen the tape yet but to say the above after Alabama kicked ass
shows what type person you are. Get a grip and enjoy the Championship.
Quit acting like it's your first.

Justin - we're number three - Frederich


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From: jcitro3@cwis.unomaha.edu (Joe Citro III)
Subject: WE BACK GOES TO NFL
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 06:24:34 GMT

Nebraska's Derek Brown (a junior) declared himself for the NFL draft 30
minutes before the deadline!  I must admit I really hate this! He was told 
he would probably go between the 2nd and 4th rounds.  Frankly, I would be 
surprised if that happens with all the great backs coming out this year.

Oh well, guess the Huskers will be stuck with Calvin Jones racking up Hiesman
type numbers :)


                                                Joe Citro III
                                                 
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From: dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown)
Subject: Re: Some thoughts on the Sugar Bowl from a Miami fan
Organization: University of Miami, School Of Medicine
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:11:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.175233.21134@cs.ucla.edu> reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher) writes:

>>Well, Bama fans, enjoy your championship.  Miami will be playing for #1
>>again next year, will you?
>
>Is it not the case that Miami is losing more starters to graduation than
>Alabama?  Aren't all of Miami's starting linebackers this year 5th year
>seniors?  You're graduating your starting quarterback, too, and who knows
>what next year's will look like.  Miami's schedule isn't getting any easier,
>either.  I wouldn't say it's a given that Miami is more likely to end up
>#1 next year than Alabama.

Miami loses a lot next year, including all four linebackers, all four 
receivers, and their QB.  In the past, this hasn't made much of a 
difference (in fact, it's been to our advantage).  Twice (if not three
times, I can't remember off hand) we've won national championships
having lost the majority of starters.

Defensively, Miami is very deep.  The expected announcement that Kevin
Williams is leaving early would definitely hurt the receiving position. 
Frank Costa is an able QB, but the Canes supposedly have a better
athelete behind him (there's always the standout recruit Chris Walsh as
well).  The biggest difference between this year and last year will be
the OL.  Miami only loses Mario Cristobal and will return two injured
starters.  This should give the much needed QB protection that has been
missing all year (and really hurt in the Sugar Bowl).

Miami's schedule is pretty tough next year, including away games at
Colorado and FSU, Syracuse at home.  The tough games unfortunately 
come early in the year.  But my guess is that Miami will still be a 
contender.

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From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Re: Suggestion to the NCAA
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:46:00 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.042615.5822@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> kschudt@magnus.acs.
ohio-state.edu (Karl C Schudt) writes:
>     I was very saddened to hear the nes that Jerome Bettis and Tom Carter(?!)
>are going to the pros. However, I can't see that there is any good way to keep

>people from jumpingto the pros. It would probably be in violation of the
>anti-trust laws, anyhow. Besides, if someone offered me all that money, id
>leave too.
>
>     My Suggestion:
>
>     Let players who do not get drafted keep their eligibility.
>
>     Reasons: with the present system, many people who leave school and dont
>get drafted never get their educations. There isn't any problem for the few
>that do get big money. Under the present system, we have the worst of both
>worlds: People leaving school early, and others losing their educational
>oppurtunity.
>     If we change the eligibility law, we would only have the worst of one
>world :)
>
>Any other suggestions?

Well, I recall that NAIA almost adopted a proposal that would have allowed 
athletes who left school early for the draft AND were in good academic standing
to transfer into NAIA Div. I or II schools for the remainder of their 
eligibility.

What does the collective intelligence out there think of that idea?

PDunn
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From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn)
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 25--No dispute here
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 01:10:09 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.191913.15056@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K.
 S. Manu) writes in response to Roger Dendy:
>>
>>Team              Record              Weight
>>----              ------              ------
>>4 Washington        9-3                 2.1
>>6 Stanford         10-3                 2.0
>>14 Washington St    9-3                 1.7
>>21 Arizona         6-5-1                1.5
>>22 Southern Cal    6-5-1                1.4
>
>PAC 10 weenie alert!
>
>>     But that's just MY opinion. Roger Dendy
>
>You really mean *only*, right?
>Shows what an incompetent with a computer can do! Where's the other one?
>
>Njan

     We've said it before, we'll say it again: Njan, where's your algorithm? I 
haven't seen any ratings from you, yet you feel qualified to rip everyone else 
when they post theirs.
     Here's whatcha do, Njan: during the off-season, you make your *own* 
computer program to do rankings. Then post those results to the net and see how
you against Dendy, Schmidt, et al. Until you can do that and win at their game,
you're just a wanna-be with a big mouth and too much time on your hands. 
Capiche?
     Roger, Darryl, Kevin, Bapi -- good job. Thanks for all the work. See you 
next year.

                                        Steve
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From: allen@tessi.com (Allen Warren)
Subject: Re: My suggestion to the NFL
Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:52:24 GMT

sterbenc@ivhs.mot.com (Joe Sterbenc) writes:

>In article <^t#@byu.edu>, zimms@newt.ee.byu.edu (Stephen H. Zimmerman)
>wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> There will be tons who disagree (go ahead and flame), but why
>> doesn't the NFL show some true grit and not hire anyone who doesn't
>> graduate?  or maybe put them on "academically-injured reserve" if they
>> don't finish within 2 years (or so) of leaving school.

>Because it would be immoral, illegal, and unfair. Top-level college
>athletes,
>especially in football and basketball, are exploited; this I grant you. But
>the college athletic programs are easily the worst offenders, making
>millions
>off their indentured servants - the vast majority of which (even when they
>officially graduate) are not receiving any education to speak of. The
>way to solve the current hypocrisy and exploitation in college athletics
>is NOT to shackle the players to the schools for a set time. Louisiana
>actually tried to pass a law a few years back saying that nobody could
>sign a pro contract until their class graduated. Coincidentally, Chris
>Jackson was a freshman at LSU then. Yeech.

As long as the Level 1 football and basketball programs continue to turn
their heads when top athletes merely use the system to get through college
until they can earn the big bucks, the guys will merely regard college as
a stepping stone to the Pro's.  Granted, not every school or every athlete
will do this, but until the big school's can promote the thought of, "Hey
what are you going to do once you make it out of the Pro's?  What if you
never make it to or in the Pro's?  What if you have a career-ending
injury?", athletes will continue to abuse the system.

Flame away if you like, but I witnessed actual cases of athletes getting
fringe benefits while in college that you and I would never DREAM of 
getting.  I stayed in the same dorm as many of the underclassmen footbal
players were in.  I saw what goes on.  It's still going on.  The saddest
part is watching those players who finally come to the reality that they're
not the star they were in high school, or the injury they got in last
week's game could end their career, or they might have to go to Canada
to play more football, or they simply weren't drafted.

If the underclassmen want to go to the NFL, then let 'em.  It's no different
than you or I quitting college and going to work somewhere.  But I also
think that the NFL Player's Union should do everything they can to encourage
those coming out of college, underclassmen or not, who have not gotten a
degree, to get a degree.

allen