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From: rdh@Veritas.COM (Robert Hartman)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Re :Female "Wiring"
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:45:03 GMT
Organization: VERITAS Software

In article <1992Oct10.221146.12804@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
>In article <22825@galaxy.ucr.edu> starbuck@ucrmath.ucr.edu (starbuck) writes:
>>Maybe some lesbian feminists are friendly to men but most are hostile.  And
>>I don't blame them "from their perspective".  Their anger can be understood,
>>they are rejected by most people and if their sexual orientation is know will
>>be held against them.  
>
>*yawn*  Sorry, starbuck, but you'll have to do better than this.  We've
>all heard the old saw, "Gay men hate/fear women and lesbian women
>hate/fear men."  It doesn't say much for your theory of anti-feminism
>that you're using global generalizations like this.

It sure doesn't.  In my personal experience, the Lesbian feminist of my
acquaintance have, by and large, been much easier to deal with than the
heterosexual ones.  Much easier.  Lesbian feminists have actually been
known to come to my defense in situations where I, a white male, was
being treated unfairly.  Lesbian feminists have even taken me aside and
explained things to me in cases where other feminists have told me to go
away and read a book.

-r
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Sexist?  Dangerous?
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 15 Oct 92 09:48:26 GMT
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: rivero

In article <Oct15.001841.58395@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, arsmith@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Alan Smith) writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.074513.1149@seanews.akita.com> tria@seanews.akita.com (Anna Ruthorod) writes:
>>
>>
>>Or should I be ticked at my roommate, who basically managed to
>>mangle my whole day?
> 
> Not really, she meant well.  Strange men tend to be a bit dangerous, and
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


  Only a tiny, tiny minority of strange people, men or women, tend to
be dangerous. God forbid she should actualy have talked to this human and
discovered he was not an ogre after all. Actual communication between the
genders? That would surely undo all that feminism has worked so hard to acheive
for the last 10 years. :)




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|  "The great masses of people. . .will more easily fall                 |
|  victims to a big lie than to a small one."                            |
|                                          --Adolf Hitler                |
|                                                                        |
|   "All men are potential rapists, and that's _all_ they are!"          |
|                                 -- Susan Brownmiller                   |
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From: sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:51:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Mattel and math avoidance in girls
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: soc.women

In soc.women, peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:

    dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) writes:
    >>"Teen Talk Barbie" which says...
    >>"Math class is hard".

   >I phoned Mattel to express my dismay at their choice of phrases.
   >They defended their choice by stating that Barbi says lots of other
   >things too, like "school is fun".  They also pointed out that 
   >Barbi is blonde. 

As a blond female mathematician, I fail to see what 'blond' has to do with it.
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From: baltman@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Brian Altman)
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.motss,soc.misc,soc.men,soc.college.grad,soc.college,soc.bi,sci.psychology,rec.misc,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.personals,misc.misc,soc.couples
Subject: Survey volunteer request: Romantic jealousy survey
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:38:01 GMT
Article-I.D.: galileo.1992Oct12.153801.908
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

I am putting together a survey on romantic jealousy.The survey will be 
completed in around 2-3 weeks and I will be sending a paper version to 
hopefully a few hundred people. It will consist of around 35 quick "check 
the box" questions, and 2 or 3 write a sentence or two items. I will include
a self addressed stamped envelope with the survey. I'd like to get responses 
of people from every sexual orientation and age. My only requirement is that 
you currently are in a relationship with a "significant other" in some way for
over two weeks.
 
SO. Please help a poor soul earn his degree and volunteer.
 
If there are not many volunteers I will implement an incentive raffle. Each
person returning the questionaire gets 1 chance to win $50. If I do have to
do this, the people who volunteer (and return) the survey before I do this
will recieve 2 chances vs. one for those volunteering later.
 
Thanx a whole bunch :)
 
 
All you have to do to volunteer is e-mail me your snail-mail address; 
I will acknowledge you within 24 hours for the most part.
 
 
All volunteers' results and data will be kept strictly confidential.
your results will be assigned a code based on your sex and sexual
orientation, at which point your name will forever be removed from
the data. I will keep a seperate list of names and addresses so
that I can later contact you and let you know about the results.
 
-Brian
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Help! I need romantic ideas.
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com (Michael Rivero)
Date: 9 Oct 92 16:41:57 PDT
Distribution: world
Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA

In article <2927@nlsun1.oracle.nl>, mlemmerm@nl.oracle.com (Mick Lemmerman Publisher) writes:
|> In article <1aqsqgINN30s@gap.caltech.edu| peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
|> |cannon@scs.unt.edu (Dustin Cannon (Lab 3460)) writes:
|> ||I was wondering if you had any other little 
|> ||romantic things I could do that would make my SO think I am the most 
|> ||romantic guy ever!  I'm just a college student, so nothing too expensive.  
|> |
|> |Wake her up in the middle of the night when the air is warm and 
|> |go for a walk in the moonlight.
|> 
|> 	Wake her up in the middle of the night? Come on, she
|> 	is NOT going to appreciate that.
|> 

  Yep, this falls under the catagory of "Nice in theory but hell in practice".
My ex did NOT like to be awakened anytime prior to sunrise. I did it just
twice in the 9 years we were together. I thought both were very romantic
episodes worthy of the effort. One was to catch the train from
Milan to Venice, Italy, and the other was to watch the sun rise over 
Haleakela on Mauai. I never, ever, EVER,  made that mistake again!  :)




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|  "The great masses of people. . .will more easily fall                 |
|  victims to a big lie than to a small one."                            |
|                                          --Adolf Hitler                |
|                                                                        |
|   "All men are potential rapists, and that's _all_ they are!"          |
|                                 -- Susan Brownmiller                   |
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From: Twila.Walker@f29.n130.z1.fidonet.org (Twila Walker)
Sender: FredGate@ocitor.fidonet
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: New toys
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 02:55:06

Has anyone else heard of the new  toy that's supposed to come out on the market??  It's a pregnancy simulater that children can wear!  I can't believe that in this day and age someone would want their child pretending to be pregnant!  What will they come out with next??

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From: sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Survey volunteer request: Romantic jealousy survey
Date: 15 Oct 92 20:44:31 GMT
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA

In soc.women, rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
   >baltman@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Brian Altman) writes:
   >	"Hwelp me with my homework".
   >	Brian, you're homework is to find out who the news admin
   >is at Rochester and ask her/him "how do I correctly form
   >a header to a posting that lets me send to several groups but
   >redirecting all follow-ups and replies to me personally".
   >	Please don't post like this again (you've already done
   >this before) to 13 groups until you have read the manual and other
   >requisite documentation. . . .
Not everyone has access to all the documentation for a system.  If it is
reasonably simple (I wouldn't know), why not just tell him?
From: jengagne@next03cville.wam.umd.edu (Jenny Lynne Gagne)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Guilty?
Date: 15 Oct 92 17:21:17 GMT
Reply-To: Jurassic Park as movie
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park

In article <Bw460n.Ay2@cs.psu.edu> beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)  
writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.063007.17215@watson.ibm.com>  
margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
<stuff deleted>
> >   If you had killed my child and told me about it beforehand or
> >   immediately afterwards, I would have been angry but I could have
> >   forgiven you, but if you showed me so little respect that you killed
> >   my child and then didn't tell me about it for a year, then I'd get
> >   *really* upset.
> 
> This is a very good analogy.  The one part that I think doesn't
> apply too well is where it comes to "I could have forgiven you."
> 
> For this analogy to apply, we'd have to imagine a world where killing
> a child is an arguable offense -- so that there would be no law against  
it,
> although some people objected.  

I interpreted this "I could forgive" bit as saying that the telling might  
make him/her forgive/relax just enough to not get AS upset as the person  
might have otherwise. (rather than "forgiveness" as in "It's ok to kill my  
child") 

jengagne@wam.umd.edu
From: sam@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Vicky Hansen)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 21:32:17 GMT
Subject: Re: [Pet Peeves] What irritates you or your partner?
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: soc.women

In soc.women, cgates@mitre.org (Curt Gates) writes:

  > In article <2549@devnull.mpd.tandem.com> dwelch@mpd.tandem.com (Dan Welch) 
  > writes:
  > > I am experiencing the same thing, and my fiance hasn't
  > > even moved in yet (although she does today).
  > > We went out and got a totally new apartment, so that one wouldn't feel 
  > s/he
  > > was intruding on the other.

  > Consider how lucky your are that you are discovering all 
  > these delightful differences -- instead of being bored with each other 
  > because you are both so predictable.  Also consider these small things as 
  > gifts,

Be thankful that you are both around enough for it to come up.  When
attempting to have a realationship with a work-aholic (first husband-now ex)
or a sickly_person (second husband-now late), I could have the house to
myself and avoid these petty differences -- I think you have the better deal.
Newsgroups: soc.women
From: mec6@quads.uchicago.edu (rini)
Subject: Re: I be Afraid that I agree with you....
Reply-To: mec6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 22:50:24 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.102157.2600@mdcbbs.com> 
rivero@mdcbbs.com (Michael Rivero) writes:

>  That's a nice ideal, and one which is promoted during the conscription of
>troops, i.e. you just push a button and the bad guys fall down. However, 
>the history of WW2 and Korea is replete with decisive battles which ended
>as hand-to-hand combat with knives after the ammunition ran out. 
 
>  As was the unfortnate case during the recent Los Angeles insurrection,
>when women go up against men in a non-munitioned fight, they get
>very dead, very quickly. The women who fought for the Soviets
>during WW2 suffered excessive losses in situations where the machinery
>was no longer running.
>
>  No military commander (certainly not one I want defending my country)
>will put weaker soldiers into any situation which has any possability of
>degrading into a hand-to-hand fight. 

I hope you're not suggesting that strong women who can fight should
be kept out of battle....  

(I *thought* that's what all soldiers got out of boot camp... If not,
something should be fixed *there*.) 

>  Women can make fine pilots and tank crews, but they are at a natural
>disadvantage in a ground fight when the ammo runs out, the plane is shot down,
>or the tank disabled.

So are short men.  So are men who wear glasses.  So are less intelligent
people.  So?

rini
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Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
Subject: Re: An Old Male Fantasy that needs to pass
From: rivero@mdcbbs.com
Date: 16 Oct 92 09:27:26 GMT
 <1992Oct14.165939.21419@beaver.cs.washington.edu> <1992Oct14.185806.12813@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> <1992Oct15.185510.15357@Veritas.COM>
Organization: Electronic Data Systems, Unigraphics Division, Cypress CA
Nntp-Posting-User: sparks

In article <1992Oct15.185510.15357@Veritas.COM>, rdh@Veritas.COM (Robert Hartman) writes:
> In article <1992Oct14.185806.12813@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> btwomey@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (william.tw0mey) writes:
>>In article <1992Oct14.165939.21419@beaver.cs.washington.edu> martinjp@cs.washington.edu (John Martin) writes:
> 
>>>Women combatants will jeopardize the combat effectiveness of their unit
>>>and will undermine the nation's effectiveness in waging a war when necessary.
>>
>>Doubt it.
> 
> So do I.
> 

  Perhaps jeapordize is not the correct word, but "limit" is.

  Just prior to the start of the Vietnam war, there was a small dispute
in the military between using the Army developed M14 rifle versus the
M16, developed by an outside company called Armalite. The Army favored
the M14, not only because it was their "baby" but because it used the
same .30 caliber round that the light machine guns used, which simplified
the ordnance logistics.

  In the end, the M16 was chosen for a simple reason. It's lighter weight and
smaller ammo allowed the average soldier to carry three times as many rounds,
which gave that soldier a tactical advantage. Tha's the key point right
there. In a ground battle, he(she) who carries the most bullets over the
farthest distances wins, plain and simple.

  The average woman is smaller and weaker than the average man, therefore able
to carry less ammunition, therefore at a tactical disadvantage in a ground war.

  And, before I get another barrage of hate email, let me remind the net readers
that in my very first post on this subject, I made clear that this observation
does NOT imply that women are less effective in mechanized roles such as flying
or driving a tank, only in a ground pounding environment.

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|  "The great masses of people. . .will more easily fall                 |
|  victims to a big lie than to a small one."                            |
|                                          --Adolf Hitler                |
|                                                                        |
|   "All men are potential rapists, and that's _all_ they are!"          |
|                                 -- Susan Brownmiller                   |
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From: btwomey@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (william.tw0mey)
Newsgroups: soc.women,soc.men
Subject: Re: An Old Male Fantasy that needs to pass
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:58:06 GMT
Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1992Oct14.185806.12813
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Oct14.165939.21419@beaver.cs.washington.edu> martinjp@cs.washington.edu (John Martin) writes:

[ Interesting experiences deleted ]

>War is one arena that cannot be massaged into a kinder gentler place to make
>it easier for women to compete.  Females in combat will not receive the 
>same types of concessions from the enemy that they expect in our workplace.  

I doubt that they would expect concessions if boot camp is run
correctly.

>Women combatants will jeopardize the combat effectiveness of their unit
>and will undermine the nation's effectiveness in waging a war when necessary.

Doubt it.

>Society is conditioned to expect male casualties, when daughters are being
>raped and killed in combat things will be different.

Well, it should be the case that: society not be conditioned
to expect male causalties, when sons are being raped and killed
in combat things will be different.

My brother and his wife just had their first child, a boy.  My
wife and I had our first, a daughter, 17 months ago.  My brother
and his wife got engaged a couple months after we did, and got
married a couple months after we did.  So it looks like we are in
competition.  (I don't think so, I don't care what they do)

I was wondering what would I say if I were faced with someone
gloating, "Well, Denis had a boy!" It struck me that, inherent to
that statement is "girls are less than boys."  It really is
bloody obviously wrong, and I would not put up with it.

If its the case that people think "oh, thats horrible, you
lost a ~daughter~ in the Second Oil Field Wars".  Well, that 
kind of thinking implies that "boys are less than girls."

So if you believe that its ok to have male causalties, but not
female, get a life you misandrist bigot.  Take your double
standard and shove it.

>Perhaps women from other cultures may be successful in combat but I do
>not think American women have what it takes,
>physically and mentally (emotionally?). Generally speaking of course :)

I disagree.

>John P. Martin		     
Note: I am not saying that John is a misandrist or has a double standard.

Bill Twomey
-- 
bt@violin.att.com
From: foy@aero.org (Richard Foy)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Women in groups
Date: 12 Oct 1992 16:59:13 GMT
Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org

In article <1992Oct10.194809.328@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:
>In <1992Oct9.003931.6772@nezsdc.icl.co.nz> andrewb@nezsdc.icl.co.nz writes:
>
>> I have heard that if woman live in group's that their menstrual cycles
>> start to sync with each other.
>> 
>> Anyone care to expand or refute this.
>
>True.  Its called "menstrual synchrony."  Allegedly due to pheromones.
>
>
>------------------------
>Ruth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>
>Philosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA

This thread is very interesting. I wonder how the characteristic evolved.
Is there some evolutionary advantage to a synchronized menstrual cycle
for women living in groups? Would women in hunting and gathering cultures
fit the description of women living in groups? It raises many questions.

Richard Foy  Redondo Beach, CA         Standard Disclaimern
From: romingk@pell3l0.alleg.edu (Karl Rominger)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Guilty?
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:04:40 GMT
Organization: Allegheny College

> 
> 
> Now, let me pose some questions to the above posters (and interested  
others):
> 
> .. Is Janis Cortese's statement that she would +smile+ while drinking 
>   someone's blood to be taken literally?  
> 
> .. Is Janis Cortese violent?
> 
> .. Is Janis Cortese an unbalanced woman who should be kept away from  
children?
> 
> .. Would Janis Cortese slit someone's throat for bumping into her child
>   on a subway car?
> 
> .. Would Janis Cortese slit the throat of a child who threatened her  
child?
> 
> .. Would Janis Cortese smilingly slit the throat of a mother who stopped
>   a fight between their children by yelling at them to stop or grabbing
>   one of them?
> 
> .. Should the moderators of soc.feminism be held responsible for having
>   posted a threat to anyone whom the unbalanced Janis Cortese imagines 
>   is antagonistic to her child?
> 
> .. Should we outlaw knives?
> 
> .. Mothers have done such things.  Should we restrain all mothers?
> 
> 
> I think not.  In particular, I saw no reason to interpret "with a smile
> on my face" as a sign of violent insanity; rather, it seems a figurative
> description intended to emphasize her point.
> 
> I'm curious about other opinions, though.
> 
> Don
> -- 
> beaver@cs.psu.edu                       Opinions from the PC-challenged

Well I for one would kill anyone who hurt any member of my family.  
(reasonable level of harm)

I would not hesitate to kill some one who rapes anyone in my family, and  
if I found someone raping even a stranger, I would probably be tempted to  
use lethal force.

I would also use lethal force in any situation that any family member is  
undoly threatened.
So I don't think it is unreasonable to slit someone throat for molesting  
your child, but in this day and age drinking the blood may proove unsafe.
AIDS and such.

Karl Rominger
romingk@alleg.edu
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: soc.women
Subject: Re: Mattel and math avoidance in girls
Date: 11 Oct 92 16:51:27 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <Oct.2.01.06.38.1992.9657@remus.rutgers.edu> clong@remus.rutgers.edu (Chris Long) writes:
/In article <1ag6t9INNnhb@gap.caltech.edu>, Michal Leah Peri writes:
/> OK, so math isn't fun for everyone.  How about Barbi saying
/> "math can be fun"....

All through grade school I kept hearing "math is hard", "algebra is hard",
etc. I kept wondering where the hard stuff was, I never ran into any in
grade school.

I'd interpret "Math class is hard" as a challenge, actually, not a disincentive.
And really, if the inanities of a Barbie doll grab such national attention,
then things really aren't so bad, are they?

/I would prefer "Math class is trivial", but I don't think a Barbie
/like this would be too popular.

My math TA in college was infamous for uttering "Ees treevial" at every
new concept and every math problem. We kept a log of this, and found
he averaged 5 "Ees treevial"s per class.

We knew we were in trouble when he started saying "Thees ees non-treevial" :-)
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