HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kevin@andorra.ssc.gov (Kevlar)
Subject: "Welcome to the Machine"
Keywords: Control, money, cattle
Organization: 8-Track Museum of Technology
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:54:56 GMT




       A friend of mine just notified me of something I found to
      be rather peculiar...Figured that this group might think is 
      interesting.
        Here in D/FW there is a store that recently opened called
      "Incredible Universe" (home electronics, appliances, computers,
      etc) Well i've been told that upon entering this store an
      individual is issued a membership card with a bar code.
        Any subsequent visits.....the member must bar code IN
      just to enter the store. Also scan out upon leaving! ^^
         Does this make anyone else out there think?
         What kind of data profile could be assembled from this?
          I don't consider myself paranoid, but it starts to
       make you wonder about the ever increasing number of apparant
       devices in place to track or assemble data!
     
                              Kevlar
From: morpheus@entropy.mcds.com (morpheus)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Anti-Establishment Coalition
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 14:32:12 EST
Organization: the pickle factory at Langley, Virginia

ksjwr@acad3.alaska.edu (REDELSS JOHN W) writes:

> Or maybe it is the plan of the masterplanners to keep us splintered?  Perhaps
> some of these groups are fronts for the groups they are supposed to oppose?  
> they can keep the opposition divided, they have already won.  What do you
> think?

Of course it is.

> Unite, lovers of liberty!!!  Put aside your differences to unite against a
> common foe.  How could this be done?  Has anybody suggestions?

Buy a 'puter and get it on the net.


--
morpheus@entropy.mcds.com --
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?   -qr
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.slack,alt.horror.cthulhu
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 16:15:10 -0500 
From: Peter Jason Ward <pw2j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: THE COMMITTEE OF 333 - The REAL Enemy
	<1992Nov21.210656.19225@eskimo.com>

>NO, my friends, this "Committee of 300" is but a RED HERRING; the REAL Enemy
>is the totally unknown COMMITTEE OF 333!
Which is the Select Executive Sub-comittee of
the Committee of 666!


The one I'm watching out for is Committee of 235 (Illuminatus reference)
               Peter ward
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: ad626@yfn.ysu.edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Re: Conspiracies, Cover-ups and Crimes
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:45:32 GMT


I've never sen this book. Could somebody summarize the picture it
presents of LaRouche?

Thanks,
-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
From: ad626@yfn.ysu.edu (Steve Crocker)
Subject: Re: Lurkers Here's your chance -- Post by Mail
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 04:40:56 GMT


In the past, this posting method has had the problem that a 
newsgroup which contains REAL DASHES as part of its name will
not post properly - they get converted back to dots. There was or is
a site which will accept the newsgroup name exactly as written, with 
dots where the dots go, etc. I believe it was at bull.com, but I can't
remember the site name.

-Steve
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From: dgillmor@msen.com (Dan Gillmor)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.privacy,alt.religion.computers,alt.security,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: "Welcome to the Machine"
Date: 23 Nov 1992 16:45:32 GMT
Organization: Detroit Free Press
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Randal L. Schwartz (merlyn@ora.com) wrote:
: 
: Anyway, they *didn't* check my ID when I gave them information, so I
: could have said anything.  They also did *not* demand a phone number,
: so all they have is my post office box.  (Hey, I can always use a
: little more junk mail in my woodstove. :-)
: 
: And yes, they swipe the card upon entry, and upon any purchase (cash
: or card).
: 
Guess I wasn't clear. I still find it hard to believe that the store would
deny you entry without the card swipe, or that they'd refuse to take your
money at the cash register without another swipe of the card.

Has anyone simply refused to cooperate with them, and then been turned away?

--
Dan Gillmor                                      Internet: dgillmor@msen.com
Detroit Free Press                               CompuServe: 73240,334
321 W. Lafayette                                 Voice: 313-222-6659
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.privacy,alt.religion.computers,alt.security,talk.politics.misc
From: merlyn@ora.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: "Welcome to the Machine"
Organization: Stonehenge Consulting Services; Portland, Oregon, USA
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 01:32:20 GMT

In article <1ell7mINN2rf@nigel.msen.com> dgillmor@msen.com (Dan Gillmor) writes:
   Are you saying that these stores will refuse to take your money unless you
   give them your personal information and allow them to track your shopping
   habits? I find this difficult to accept.

What do you expect from a business that also owns Radio Shack (Tandy)?

Anyway, they *didn't* check my ID when I gave them information, so I
could have said anything.  They also did *not* demand a phone number,
so all they have is my post office box.  (Hey, I can always use a
little more junk mail in my woodstove. :-)

And yes, they swipe the card upon entry, and upon any purchase (cash
or card).

The first IU was just south of Portland, Oregon, by the way.  And the
same concerns raised here made their rounds in pdx.general and
or.general.  The consensus was "give them phoney names if you don't
want to be tracked".


--
Randal L. Schwartz / Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095
merlyn@ora.com (semi-permanent) merlyn@reed.edu (for newsreading only)
factoid: "Portland, Oregon, home of the California Raisins and Lone-Star Beer!"
From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Anti-Establishment Coalition (LaRouche Contingent)
Date: 23 Nov 1992 14:09:28 GMT
Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource
NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu

In article <23NOV199203543289@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (General Boycott) writes:
>From what little I know, I'd say he's a socialist democrat, but since
>they just took over the USSA ... mebe not.
>
>{ Yes, USSA -- United Socialist States of America. <sigh> }

Smurgle.  Snurf.  Giggle.  Chortle.  Hehehehehehehehehe.  Har-har-har.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Yuck.  Heheeheheheheheeeeheheheheheehe.
Giggle.

Whew!  What a comedian!  Socialist!  What a kneeslapper!

More of the changing of the guard between petty and indifferentiable
wings of the Property Party.

Just before the election we had a visitor here from Scotland and I had
a hard time convincing him that anyone would conceive of Bill Gore and
Al Clinton as Liberals, much less Socialists.

							spl
-- 
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
UCSD Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UCSD Med School/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"Bosnia has no gun control."
			- random thought
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:12244 alt.news-media:1629
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.news-media
Subject: Re: Clinton's first Federal laws
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:24:45 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department

In article <Nov.16.11.37.01.1992.4816@gandalf.rutgers.edu> shagan@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Susan R. Hagan) writes:
|pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce) writes:

|>President Clinton will have the power to countermand his predecessors'
|>EOs with the stroke of a pen; thus, there is no effective difference
|>between his failing to countermand an EO and having issued that EO
|>himself.

|How about letting us know what EO's you are referring to?

I am not referring to any particular EO, I am referring to *all* EOs.
I assert that even if every EO which Clinton chooses not to countermand
were entirely proper, the American people would still deserve specific
arguments to that effect from Bill Clinton.

For *any* of his predecessors' EOs that are still in effect when he
takes office: Mr. Clinton, either explain it and defend it to the
American people or countermand it.

-- Brad Pierce --
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:12299 alt.activism:18943 alt.individualism:6007 talk.politics.misc:60688 misc.headlines:7088
From: dave@frackit.UUCP (Dave Ratcliffe)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines
Subject: Re: GARY NULL on Net Suppression
Summary: When in doubt, call it censorship
Date: 14 Nov 92 20:55:33 GMT
Followup-To: alt.conspiracy
Organization: Data Factory Services, Harrisburg, Pa.

In article <8518.20828@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM>, lpb@florida.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas) writes:
> This article is posted for my friend, John DiNardo. The forces of
                                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> censorship Will Not Succeed! 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is priceless. It WASN'T censorship, it was AT&T covering
their legal ass on a system they OWN. DiNardo WORKS for them and they
have no legal responsibility to provide him with a soapbox. He was, and
is, free to post his messages using any other system. Apparently access
for him HAS been provided. If he chooses not to use it then he is
censoring himself and should be a target of your "revolution". 

> Wherever they are, there will be thousands of us waiting to eliminate them.

Uh-oh..... sounds like a threat to me kiddies. 

> This is a human revolution. A revolution of information
> freedom, one of equality in all things....a revolution whereby
> the civilian can rise above his station as established by the
> ruling elite and become an equal voice in the governing of
> this country.

Spare us. Get your basic facts correct before you launch a crusade. Your
current starting rational is so flawed as to be laughable. 

-- 
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 frackit!dave@uunet.UU.NET -or- dave@frackit.uucp -or-   |  Sys. <*> Admin. |
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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,alt.censorship,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Committee of 300 - READ ME NOW!
Date: 21 Nov 1992 07:15:52 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:

>In article <1e7im4INNiqb@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:

>> Here I was scanning this book visually at 2400 baud as I downloaded
>> to my PC via screen capture, thinking what a splendid piece of
>> intelligence analysis, and so well written, too. Then somewhere in
>> the depths of part 7 the little racial glitches started to show up,

>Well, MY bigot-meter pinned itself into the red at line 61 of part 1, where
>the author begins describing the conspiracy to discredit him, which he claims
>is organized by Closet-Homosexual-Controlled-Agent-Informers who operate from
>various right-wing organizations "under cover of strong and fearless outspoken
>opposition to Judaism their main enemy, they would have us believe."

>The implication here is that those who profess to oppose Judaism as their
>primary enemy should be working for him, not against him.

>If these ain't the words of an anti-Semitic bigot, show me a better example...

Certainly it can be read that way. However it would also be a consistent
interpretation to suggest that the writer is an opponent of groups 
often confused with Jews, such as Zionists or international bankers, and
considers outspoken opposition to "Judiasm" to be a red herring which 
serves to distract from those more appropriate and focussed concerns.
I admit that the subsequent forthright racism which I cited makes that
interpretation less likely, and that which you suggest more likely.

-Steve
Xref: sparky alt.conspiracy:12373 soc.culture.jewish:20653
From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Jews in Banks
Date: 21 Nov 92 12:51:17 CST
Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University

In article <1992Nov19.200649.2043@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> In article <1992Nov19.110726.1919@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
>>And if I catch him at [lying], it's doubtful we'll do business.  
> 
> Precisely.  Which is why Steiner got fired.  He can no longer plausibly
> claim he has influence, because he got caught lying about that influence.

[See thread for previous discussion]

> -- 
> ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
> standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
> the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

Thanks for your well balanced discussion of this matter.  It puts things
in better perspective.

-Joe Gaut
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From: limes@ouroborous.eng.sun.com (Greg Limes)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.privacy,alt.religion.computers
Subject: Re: "Welcome to the Machine"
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:46:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation
NNTP-Posting-Host: ouroborous
In-reply-to: kevin@andorra.ssc.gov's message of Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:54:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov19.185456.12840@sunova.ssc.gov> kevin@andorra.ssc.gov (Kevlar) writes:
|	   Any subsequent visits.....the member must bar code IN
|	 just to enter the store. Also scan out upon leaving! ^^

	"I must have lost your card. Does that mean you don't want
		to sell me anything, ever again?"
	"It was so cold, your card broke right in half".
	"You think I have room in my wallet for a special card for
		every store I patronize?"
	"What card? This is my first time here".

		Big Brother: Just Say No.
From: ad626@yfn.ysu.edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Bo Gritz
Date: 17 Nov 92 01:18:04 GMT
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net


As to UPC bar codes, I am not myself a believer in end-time biblical
prophecy. However, a number of otherwise intelligent people accept
the book of Revelations as an accurate and God-inspired statement of
our coming history. It is a document obviously written in symbols, 
with a great deal of latitude as to how those symbols are to be 
understood. The "Mark of the Beast" is usually taken to have a numerical
significance, and to be associated with the privelege of participating
in a totally controlled economic marketplace. If one accepts the 
original premise of Revalation's validity for our time, then it
does not seem too unreasonable a stretch to consider UPC codes an
aspect of the "Mark of the Beast" symbolism. 

-Steve
From: aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: Anti-Establishment Coalition
Date: 23 Nov 1992 09:14:46 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Par tof the problem is that we cannot "just say no" to the secret
government, however we might understand it. To be effective we must 
have some sense of what we are saying "yes" to. And it is extraordinarily
difficult to get agreement on this point. I believe that this problem
is due in large part to massive and long-standing disniformation spread
both through the media and through academia which distorts peoples 
perceptions of what is happening in the world, and confuses our values
as to what a good society would actually consist of.

I happen to believe that LaRouche has the program that is right for
America and beneficial to the people of the world, but few here seem
willing to read and comprehend that program, even to criticize or oppose
it. They prefer to make ignorant wisecracks, call names, and engage in
unfounded characterizations.

-Steve
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,misc.legal
From: pierce@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Brad Pierce)
Subject: 1988 National Emergencies Act (50 USC Sect. 1601)
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 20:09:03 GMT

According to Diana Reynolds, "Domestic Consequences of the Gulf War",
_CovertAction Information Bulletin_, Number 37 (Summer 1991), pp. 36-41:

    "In time of war a president's power derives from both
     constitutional and statutory sources. Under Article II, Section 2
     of the Constitution, he is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.
     Although Congress alone retains the right to declare war, this
     power has become increasingly meaningless in the face of a
     succession of unilateral decisions by the executive to mount
     invasions.

    "The president's statutory authority, granted by Congress and
     expanded by it under the 1988 National Emergencies Act (50 USC
     [Sect.] 1601), confers special powers in time of war or national
     emergency. He can invoke those special powers simply by declaring
     a national emergency. First, however, he must specify the legal
     provisions under which he proposes that he, or other officers,
     will act.  Congress may end a national emergency by enacting a
     joint resolution. Once invoked by the president, emergency powers
     are directed by the National Security Council and administered,
     where appropriate, under the general umbrella of the Federal
     Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). There is no requirement that
     Congress be consulted before an emergency is declared or findings
     signed. The only restriction on [the USA President] is that he
     must inform Congress in a 'timely' fashion -- he being the sole
     arbiter of timeliness.

    "Ultimately, the president's perception of the severity of a
     particular threat to national security and the integrity of his
     appointed officers determine the nature of any state of
     emergency."

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,soc.culture.jewish
From: hoehen@Physik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Walter Hoehenberger)
Subject: Re: Jews in Banks
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:25:00 GMT

thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:

>In article <BxsnnI.A1I@ddsw1.mcs.com> arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) writes:
>>In article <1992Nov14.200904.1705@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>In article <1992Nov10.015508.24588@news.ysu.edu> ad626@yfn.ysu.edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Although the comment I posted was not my own, I'll try to respond. 
>>>>I think Bo Gritz identified the owners of the Fed  as Jewish because 
>>>>many of them (perhaps a majority from material I have seen) ARE Jewish.
>>>
>>>1. First, that's simply not true.  The major international banks are
>>>   Japanese and American WASP banks that exclude Jews.
>>>
>>Now, perhaps you would like to tell us why you wish us to believe that 
>>major international banks exclude Jews.  Are you perhaps trying to stir
>>up a little antisemitism yourself?  Are Jews not allowed in the doors?
>>Is our money not accepted for deposit?  Are there no Jew on the boards?
>>
>>When you wish to make a point, you simply create more antisemitism by
>>using un truths to make the point.

>Eight of the ten largest international banks in the world are Japanese.
>There are no Jews on any of their boards.  Jews are underrepresented
>on the boards of the major banks based in New York City, which, to my
>knowledge, have never had a Jewish CEO.

>To say Jews control international banking is ludicrous.  If it were
>true, than Israel wouldn't need loan guarantees, they'd just go to
>the Jewish international bankers with their perfect no-default record,
>no?
>-- 
>ted frank                     | thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu 
>standard disclaimers          | void where prohibited
>the university of chicago law school, chicago, illinois 60637

You know, the Jews have infiltrated The Empire of the Sun since the eigth 
century A.D. ... 
The Soga and Fujiwara families were in fact Jews (Chada) posing as Japanese. 

				  Have fun, W.H. 


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From: wix@eskimo.com (Dennis Wicks)
Subject: Re: THE COMMITTEE OF 333 - The REAL Enemy
Organization: >>> Eskimo North (206)-FOR-EVER <<<
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 21:06:56 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.095009.10717@samba.oit.unc.edu> Mitchell.Porter@launchpad.unc.edu (Mitchell Porter) writes:
> [ stuff deleted ]
>NO, my friends, this "Committee of 300" is but a RED HERRING; the REAL Enemy
>is the totally unknown COMMITTEE OF 333!
Which is the Select Executive Sub-comittee of
the Committee of 666!
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.atheism,misc.taxes
From: jedwards@ms.uky.edu (Jonathan Edwards)
Subject: Re: Request - USA statistics on religion and taxes
    <1992Nov18.193059.19394@urbana.mcd.mot.com> 
    <1992Nov19.173646.19640@cs.ucla.edu>
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:28:10 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

The Statistical Abstracts of the United States includes a table containing
GSA (I think) estimates of the additional taxes that could be raised by
eliminating the deduction for charitable contributions.  The IRS presumably
will not be able to break it down any finer than that (church vs. nonchurch)
because taxpayers aren't required to provide that information when they file...
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.privacy,alt.religion.computers,alt.security
From: johne@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (John Eaton)
Subject: Re: "Welcome to the Machine"
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:21:34 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Kevlar (kevin@andorra.ssc.gov) wrote:
: 
: 
: 
:       interesting.
:         Here in D/FW there is a store that recently opened called
:       "Incredible Universe" (home electronics, appliances, computers,
:       etc) Well i've been told that upon entering this store an
:       individual is issued a membership card with a bar code.
:         Any subsequent visits.....the member must bar code IN
:       just to enter the store. Also scan out upon leaving! ^^
: 
:----------------------
Same thing just opened here in Portland, Or. They are owned by Tandy who
as we all know understand the value of an accurate customer data base. 
I guess they got tired of having customers refuse to give there names
and addresses.

Remember when we used to joke about Radio Shack not letting you in unless
you showed them your drivers license?  Well thats exactly what they are doing.


John Eaton
!hp-vcd!johne


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