HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: purwinto@mothra.syr.EDU ()
Subject: INA: Flores relief aid needed
Keywords: Flores-Sumba earthquake victims
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 11:22:10 EST

 
----------------------------
Flores Relief Aid Task Force
----------------------------

Dear folks, a.w.: 

Regarding a huge disaster experienced by our Flores and Sumba brothers
and sisters (Christians, Muslims, and others), I ask you for giving 
some release by sending our charity to the victims. To present your 
humanitarian aid in cash, please send your personal cheque or cashier 
cheque or international money order to the address below:

Wahyu Purwinto
A7-1 Slocum Heights
Syracuse, NY. 13210. U.S.A.
Voice: 315.449.3538

I will send all your charity to Flores-Sumba through an independent
agency such as the Indonesian Red Cross (PMI) or one of the national 
daily newspapers (Indonesia Times, Indonesian Observer, Jakarta Post,
and Kompas). The faster you send the relief aid, the better their 
chances to release. Hope you could join this relief aid action to 
release those who need. Thank you in advance for your solidarity. 
God bless you.

Notes: The Indonesian community at Syracuse, New York, and the 
       Indonesian Development Studies Networkers (PBDLIST members)
       will preferably send their donation to my address. I will post
       regularly the progress of the donation. 

Best regards, wassalam,
-wien (PBDLIST Admin) 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
* Wahyu Purwinto                  | BitNet  : purwinto@SUVM             * 
* A7-1 Slocum Heights             |         : purwinto@SUNRISE          *
* Syracuse, New York 12310. U.S.A.| Internet: purwinto@mailbox.syr.edu  *
* Voice/Data/Fax: 315.449.3538    |           purwinto@sunrise.syr.edu  * 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Where To Post
Date: 17 Dec 92 16:35:07 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

Hiya,
	If you have never posted to news before, and want to test your posting
capabilities, please post to the *.test groups.  It is just as good a test,
*AND* people will respond and tell you that your post reached their site.  I
just posted a test to alt.test and had four sites reply to me via email.  Plus
you get how your test post propagated (had a reply from Israel and South
Africa....!!!)
	Testing in *.test groups is highly recommended as sometimes you can
piss off people in the other groups and get some hatemail.  I did notice that
most people here seems to just "grin and bear it."

alt.test:             |   A search of my newsrc file revealed these test
bit.listserv.test:    |   sites.  Other than memst.test, which is a local
biz.test:             |   group, you probably wouldn't have trouble with
comp.lsi.testing:     |	  the rest.
comp.sources.testers: |
gnu.gnusenet.test:    |
ky.test:              |
memst.test:           |
misc.test:            |
test:                 |
tn.test:              |
trial.test:           |
vmsnet.test:          |

	Also, it is highly recommended that you browse around in news.answers. 
They maintain a lot of articles there pertaining to usage of news, and what you
should and should not do.
	It is also highly recommended to new readers that you stick around and
follow the group for a week or so before posting, to get a "feel" for the group
and to avoid asking that that has just been discussed (FAQ material? :)).
	I will probably post this article once every week (plus and minus a
couple of weeks as situation calls for) so please ignore future postings with
the same title, or set up a kill file.
	Ciao.

-Tai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: an3231@anon.penet.fi
Subject: this is a test..
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.asean
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:37:17 GMT


this is test

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi.
Please note you _don't_ have to have an anon id to receive anonymous mail!
To see how your anonymized message would appear, mail it to test@anon.penet.fi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: an3057@anon.penet.fi
Subject:   Re: Attempted forgery!
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.asean
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 15:47:51 GMT


Article: 15150 of soc.culture.asean
>From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Attempted forgery!
Date: 12 Dec 92 16:11:08 -0600

...deleted...

>___begin part of fake posting___
>   ----- Unsent message follows -----
>Received: from pylon.cs.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/920408)
>	  on Sat, 12 Dec 92 14:00:18 -0600 id AA16273 with SMTP
>From: <ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu>
>Received: from ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu by pylon.cs.uiowa.edu (5.59/890218)
>	  on Sat, 12 Dec 92 13:42:06 CST id AA03148
>
>	[so, you are at uiowa is it?? :)]

No. S/he might send it from Buffalo routed via Iowa and Berkeley.
But it doesn't mean that s/he was a UBVMSB user. Please send an
inquiry to Postmaster@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu together with the mail
you received. The postmaster might help you to find who was logging
on to ubvmsb at that time. So may be a ubvmsb user or outsider who
used the ubvmsb account. I don't know for the detail.
-anona

>Date: Sat, 12 Dec 92 13:42:06 CST
>Message-Id: <9212121942.AA03148@pylon.cs.uiowa.edu>
>Subject: testing0000000000000000099999999
>Apparently-To: soc-culture-asean@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
>
>hi, testing 000000000000

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi.
Please note you _don't_ have to have an anon id to receive anonymous mail!
To see how your anonymized message would appear, mail it to test@anon.penet.fi
From: isds11982034@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Zarina picture
Date: 16 Dec 92 08:55:00 -0600
Distribution: world
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Dec15.211448.9437@iscsvax.uni.edu>, tedjakus3675@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> In article <Bz37un.B21@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v086r9fd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Hing-Kui Lee) writes:
>> In article <1992Dec2.214009.39941@ssfarch.attmail.com>, ang@ssfarch.attmail.com writes...
>>>Hi Netters, Flamers,
>>>	I have a copy of Zarina half nude poster. If you think you
>>>will be offended by this picture, please hit 'n' for next posting. 
>>>	This is the work of a computer artist. Please enjoy....
>> 
>> 	HELLO THERE.... NOT TO BE RUDE BUT WHY DO YOU WANT TO POST A
>> COPY OF SOMEONE HALF NUDE TO SOC.CULTURE.ASEAN?  SEND IT TO ALT.NUDE
>> OR SOMETHING... PLS RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS HERE.
>> 
>> 			THANK YOU....
>> 
>> 				BTW... CARE TO ENLIGHTEN WHO THIS 
>> 				"ZARINA " IS?
> 
> Yeah...Who the hell is Zarina?

    I know her. She is my EX-girlfriend thou. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: khor@bnr.ca (Kyle Hor)
Subject: Re: to anon.penet.fi
Reply-To: khor@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:29:41 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.104205.4644@memstvx1.memst.edu>, ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
|> 
|>      Ah... it's not automated.  Instead of sending it directly to sca, they
|> just send it to another place which sticks it onto sca.  But don't worry, the
|> person running the service have told me he is looking into the abuse of his
|> service and things will change.  Don't worry, be happy (Didn't that singer
|> committed suicide?) and ignore the "dog which just discovered the bone."

Question.  Does an anon id get's assigned to a user and stay assigned or does
a user gets a new anon id everytime he/she logs in?

If it is the latter, it will be very difficult to keep track of this
sudden proliferation of anonymous posters.

|>      Incidentally, he is running a valuable service and people who use his
|> service (mostly) are mature people who need it.  Quite a number are posting to
......
I do not question his service.  But rather the users who abuse it.

|>      If things really get worse, we could always take a vote and if the
|> majority wins, let the anon.service person know that this newsgroup wants the
|> anonymous postings to be locked out (he did it for another newsgroup).
......
If things continue to be this bad after the new year, I'll support locking
it out from s.c.a.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everybody.

...Kyle
From: pires@vxcern.cern.ch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Rep. Hall: Timor Now Intolerable
Date: 11 Dec 1992 17:44:42 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

**** Originally posted in igc:reg.indonesia  3:23 pm  Dec 11, 1992 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

For immediate release
December 11, 1992

Contact: Eric Delinsky (202) 226-5470

Rep. Tony P. Hall (D-OH), Chairman of the House Select Committee
on Hunger, today lashed out at the Indonesian government over new
accounts of widespread terror and atrocities by Indonesian forces
in the wake of the capture of Xanana Gusmao, leader of the resistance
movement in indonesian-occupied East Timor, where at least 100,000
people have perished since Indonesia illegally invaded the former
Portuguese colony in 1975.

"These are horrendous reports," said Hall.  "The United States should
not tolerate this kind of conduct by the Indonesians any longer.  The
international community should make it clear that, one way or another,
Jakarta will pay a stiff price if this continues."

Hall reacted to fresh reports on December 10, 1992 from Amnesty International
and december 11 from a respected Catholic organization, the London-based
Catholic Institute for International Relations, and other authoritative
sources, that many people are currently being tortured and beaten in
an Indonesian military effort to break the spirit of the Timorese people.
The United Nations does not recognize Indonesian sovereignty over East
Timor.

Such sources indicate that there have been numerous arrests in the aftermath
of the November 20 arrest of Mr. Gusmao, the Timorese leader.  The military
has announced that he will be placed on trial within three months, and
may face the death penalty.  Last week, Gusmao appeared on Indonesian
television and renounced his long-held views, eliciting charges that he
had been tortured.  East Timor's Roman Catholic Bishop, Carlos Belo, has
indicated as much.  Indonesian authorities waited 17 days before allowing
the International Red Cross to visit Gusmao, but other prisoners have
not been allowed such visits.  Red Cross rules prohibit the organization
from commenting publicly on the conditions of the prisoners it visits.

Hall pointed out that there is longstanding interest in Congress in the
plight of East Timor, citing letters signed by a majority of the House
of Representatives in 1990 and the Senate in 1991.  Hall led a successful
Congressional effort that ended in October with the suspension of $2.3
million in American military training for the Indonesian Armed Forces
for Fiscal Year 1993.  That marked the first time that the Congress cut
aid to Indonesia over the East Timor situation.

"Indonesia will suffer in terms of international goodwill and in other
ways if Jakarta continues on its hard-line source," Hall said.
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Attempted forgery!
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:21:26 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1992Dec15.090442.22826@penet.fi>, an3057@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>Received: from pylon.cs.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/920408)
>>	  on Sat, 12 Dec 92 14:00:18 -0600 id AA16273 with SMTP
>>From: <ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu>
>>Received: from ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu by pylon.cs.uiowa.edu (5.59/890218)
>>	  on Sat, 12 Dec 92 13:42:06 CST id AA03148
> 
> No. S/he might send it from Buffalo routed via Iowa and Berkeley.
> But it doesn't mean that s/he was a UBVMSB user. Please send an

	Argh... Didn't notice buffalo.  Thanx to all those that pointed that
out.  What threw me off was the "From" that's stuck in between the 2 receives. 
(Seems that's a weird thing that pylon@uiowa does.)  But now I am 99% sure it's
from ubvmsb.

> inquiry to Postmaster@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu together with the mail
> you received. The postmaster might help you to find who was logging
> on to ubvmsb at that time. So may be a ubvmsb user or outsider who
> used the ubvmsb account. I don't know for the detail.

	Ya... already sent it.  My supervisor says that some systems don't
keep log files tho.  But with that mail-id, it should be easy for them to find
who the user was.  Hoping for a quick reply from the postmaster.  Oh yeah,
seems that there's a "someone" there who likes to do these kinds of things.
	Ciao.

-Tai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: kahchan@banana.iss.nus.sg (Low Kah Chan)
Subject: Re: JOHOR SULTAN beat up HOCKEY COACH (some clarifications)
Keywords: recipe
Reply-To: kahchan@iss.nus.sg (Low Kah Chan)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 00:51:44 GMT

In article <2B28EF2A.26390@news.service.uci.edu> cheu@krypton.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu) writes:
>
>The whole thing started last month in the Malaysian Games (Sp ?
                         ^^^^^^^^^^
No.  The incident happened in July.

>name ?) held in JB.  In one of the hockey semi-final match
>between Johor and Perak, one Johor player, who was the Tunku
>Markota of Johor, beat up the Perak goal keeper with his stick.

No.  He is not the Tengku Mahkota (Crown prince).  He is the Tengku
Bendahara -- second in line to succeed the throne.

Sorry for the interruption...
KC
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: rahardj@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo)
Subject: Re: Wakeup Muslims
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 01:39:06 GMT

In <92346.073107ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET> C. Ng <ASCKN@ASUACAD.BITNET> writes:

>  As a matter of fact, some of the richest countries and individuas
>on earth are Muslims.  However, when come to assistance in time of
>hardship, Muslims are receicing more assistance from non-Muslims,
>especially Christians.  This was said this summer by one of the
>Malaysian Cabinet ministers, or might be the PM himself.  Look at
>Somalia, for instance.  How many of the rich Muslim countries or
>individuals have pitched in to help?  Please remember the fact that
>U.S. is a predominantly Christian country.  How many of the rich
>Muslim OPEC countries have pitched in to help Somalia?  I know
>Pakistan, a Muslim country, has.  Has Malaysia, or Brunei, or
>Saudi Arabia, or Kuwait, or Iran, or Iraq?

>   No flames, please.  I am a scholar, and I just want some factual
>information on this issue.  The above puzzle has bothered me for
>quite a while.  Why rich Muslim countries or individuals are not
>helping fellow Muslims as much as the West who is predominantly
>Christians?


I was wondering about the same thing. Here is what I can come up.
- Some of these rich countries/individuals are not Muslims in
  the real sense. If you familiar with the situation in Asean and
  other so called Islamic country, sometimes the religion is just 
  a formality. (And sometimes they even supress Islam informally. 
  For example there is a friend from an African country who doesn't 
  want his name written down in Islamic activities since the his 
  govnt. is watching Islamic activity. I don't know whether this is
  true or not).  Therefore they don't really care.
- Muslims don't like to brag their good deeds. Infact we don't
  want  other people to know it. For example giving donations,
  we don't want our names to be written down. So you don't see
  or heard news that so and so donate certain amount of monye, etc.
- I thought not many Muslims help other Muslims, but I was wrong.
  In Bosnia, for example, I thought Muslims were not helping Muslims.
  I was wrong. There is at least one student that actualy went there,
  fought, and died there. There are Muslims who physically and financially
  help people (not necesarily Muslims, ie all people) there 
  (either going there themselves or by other agencies).
  I didn't know that, because it was not reported.
- Some Christians use this as a mean to spread Christianity in the
  regions.

I do agree with you that the we (Muslims) should help them more.
PS: I am a Muslim, so the information is biased, but I hope this is 
usefull for you, and no flames please.

regards,
-- budi
-- 
Budi Rahardjo <Budi_Rahardjo@UManitoba.Ca>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Subject: test
Reply-To: twm27@isuvax.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:44:28 GMT

he he he.
From: mmaiseh@cs.arizona.edu (MaZri BiN MaiSeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Zarina picture
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:49:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.085500.4639@memstvx1.memst.edu>, isds11982034@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
> In article <1992Dec15.211448.9437@iscsvax.uni.edu>, tedjakus3675@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> > In article <Bz37un.B21@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v086r9fd@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Hing-Kui Lee) writes:
> >> In article <1992Dec2.214009.39941@ssfarch.attmail.com>, ang@ssfarch.attmail.com writes...
> >>>Hi Netters, Flamers,
> >>>	I have a copy of Zarina half nude poster. If you think you
> >>>will be offended by this picture, please hit 'n' for next posting. 
> >>>	This is the work of a computer artist. Please enjoy....
> >> 
> >> 	HELLO THERE.... NOT TO BE RUDE BUT WHY DO YOU WANT TO POST A
> >> COPY OF SOMEONE HALF NUDE TO SOC.CULTURE.ASEAN?  SEND IT TO ALT.NUDE
> >> OR SOMETHING... PLS RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS HERE.
> >> 
> >> 			THANK YOU....
> >> 
> >> 				BTW... CARE TO ENLIGHTEN WHO THIS 
> >> 				"ZARINA " IS?
> > 
> > Yeah...Who the hell is Zarina?
> 
>     I know her. She is my EX-girlfriend thou. 





since.. too many request...!! Let me recall my memory.. who is this Zarina..

ok...she is a new Malaysia TV-and-film actress.. she is 21... :)
but, the picture was actually being taken when she was 16 or 17...!!!
she was very popular when her nude pictures are being sold in KL..or maybe
at S'pore also...

blah...dulu

-mazri... just sharing info with others...
From: adriana@ecst.csuchico.edu (Adriana Aris)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Muslim Wakeup
Date: 14 Dec 92 04:28:34 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
NNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu



In article <1992Dec14.014647.23390@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Brett McInnes) writes:
>adriana@ecst.csuchico.edu (Adriana Aris) writes:
>: 
>: 						   /.............
>: Think of it as a mirror in which you can see    \    	:
>: your own paranoia and bigotary.				:
>: 				- Adriana			:
>What's a bigotary? A museum for moustaches?			:
								:
Yes.  That is exactly what I was saying.  Your postings		:
are not only obnoxious and paranoid but they also have		:
moustaches.  But, thanks for shaving this time..................:
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: pcchang@leland.Stanford.EDU (Peter Chang)
Subject: Summer 1993 Programs at National University of Singapore
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 92 23:42:22 GMT


Dear Fellow Netters,


   I am currently looking into 1993 Summer programs at NUS. In 
particular, I am interested in either a management program or
a Mandarin language program. 

   If you have direct experience with Summer programs at NUS, I
would appreciate very much any advice on this matter. Also, any
useful contacts at NUS or elsewhere would be greatly appreciated.


						Thanks,
   						   Peter Chang
From: jtteh@borland.com (J.T. Teh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Email address for ITI
Date: 18 Dec 92 03:26:47 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Borland International, Inc.
Originator: jtteh@genghis.borland.com

ong@cs.columbia.edu (Jueychong Ong) writes:

>It's itivax.iti.gov.sg

Thanks, I've gotten it.

>--jc

-- JT
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: engp2120@nusunix2.nus.sg (YONG KUEN FATT ALAN)
Subject: Re: Malaysia news: M$ --> RM
Reply-To: engp2120@nusunix2.nus.sg
Organization: Dept of EE, National Uni of Singapore
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1992 09:07:46 GMT

In article <7646@news.duke.edu>, jit@slic.cellbio.duke.edu writes:
|> The Strait Times, Money,  Wednesday, Dec 2 1992
|> 
|> RM replaces M$ as official symbol of ringgit
|> 
|> Kuala Lumpur - The Malaysian government has agreed to use "RM" as the
|> official symbol of the Malaysian currency instead of "M$", Bank Negara
|> Malaysia said yesterday.
|> 
|> The Malaysian central bank said in a statement that the abbreviation RM
|> (for Ringgit Malaysia) would apply for Bahasa malaysia and English
|> usage.
|> 
|> It said the public was encouraged to use the new abbreviatio with
|> immediate effect and to take the necessary steps to convert the use of
|> "M$" or "$" to "RM".
|> 
|> The abbreviation RM was first used by Finance Minister Datuk Seri Anwar
|> Ibrahim in his 1993 Budget speech in October this year.  -- Bernama
Oh no. All the money in Malaysia is gone! It has been "RM" ;-)

% RM 1000
M$ 1000 deleted
%

Alan

-----    Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life here     -Kirk
**********************************************************************
* engp2120@nusunix2.nus.sg     engp1222@nuscc.nus.sg                 *
* VLSI CAD and Design Laboratory, Dept of Electrical Engineering     *
* National University of Singapore, 10 Kent Ridge Crescent           *
* Singapore 0511.     Telephone: 7726319     Fax: 7773117            *
**********************************************************************
-----                     Lets get dangerous                     ---DW
From: ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: to anon.penet.fi
Date: 16 Dec 92 17:08:29 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <siong.724534036@sfu.ca>, siong@fraser.sfu.ca (Siong Heng Chan) writes:
> 
> Hey you anon.penet.fi!!  You are being an IDIOT here.  And also a 
> bloody pest!  If you have nothing better to do than to send tests to sca,
> go get a life/go fly kites!!  

	Err... it's not a guy at anon.penet.fi.  It's someone using an
anonymous service that runs on that machine.  To anyone who feels irritated at
the "tests", write to the person who runs the service.  He's
"an0@anon.penet.fi" or "@fuug.fi:an0@anon.penet.fi".
	I believe the tests are by the same guy/gal (equal rights!! :)).  The
sysop of that machine is a very nice guy, so don't flame him.  But do invite
him to come take a look see at soc.culture.asean, especially the tests...  If a
few of you do that, our tester may find that the anonymous service doesn't work
for him anymore!  I must say our anon_service_tester have found a very good way
to release stress and tension for himself, don't you think... but kinda
juvenilish...  kids nowadays...  *siiiggghhhhh*

> irritated,
> siong

	Scratch that itch then! :)  Write to that an0 person.  Remember, he
didn't post the tests, someone else using his service did it.
	Ciao then.

-Tai
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
From: an3231@anon.penet.fi
Subject: to test.alt test... t ....a ....i....
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.asean
Organization: Anonymous contact service
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:34:42 GMT


this is a test...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi.
Please note you _don't_ have to have an anon id to receive anonymous mail!
To see how your anonymized message would appear, mail it to test@anon.penet.fi