HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Re: Arbitrary Belief Systems (was Re: the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth).
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:12:41 GMT

Singular@csc.canberra.edu.au (Singo) writes:

>>See!

>By impication you are thus, 'a philosopher' which leads me to direct this
>question to you... Why ???

No, this time I was only acting "as if" I was one.
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8))
Subject: Re: is juvenile porno fantasy natural
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 07:33:53 GMT

James Sawers <J.Sawers@uts.edu.au> writes:

> 
>Gentlemen, I suggest an Experiment.
 ^^^^^^^^^
Tee hee heee heee...
> 
>Put Tool-Hole ( he started it) in a pair of cut-offs and a silly hat, chain
>him to a 
> lampost  somewhere in Oxford street (or even better by the Wall, we 
> _might_ make some money)...  :-)
> 
Is the silly hat to hide his ugly mug? Really, I don't think that Tool-Hole
would make a lot of money. I also don't think this is entirely fair on the
Sydney gay community, though. I'm sure I wouldn't like to have him as a
choice on the menu. Especially in cut-offs! Please!

>After he's had a good poke up the arse he may be able to postulate from 
>experience rather than his very dodgy theories.

Surely he will start postulating after a bad poke up the arse. Good ones
can be very beneficial.

>And you never know, unless he's a veggie he may get to like a rear steak 
>;-}
 ^^^

Gosh, you know the expression too! Another person to visit on my trip to
Sydney!

Laurie (Sydney here I come) 8

Laurie 8 <heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au> | Some Driveways are concrete
Theoretical Chemistry PhD student        | Some Driveways have bricks
University of Tasmania, Australia        | Other Driveways
Unashamed 70s man, glad to be glam.      | Have Pebble-Mix - Laurie 8         
Opinions expressed above are those not only of Laurie 8, but the whole world

Newsgroups: aus.flame,uts.flame,alt.flame
From: Singular@csc.canberra.edu.au (Singo)
Subject: Re: What I have just missed...
Keywords: holiday sun fun homosexuality
Organization: Discontinuous
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 01:04:40 GMT

In article <ta.686.0@labserver.canberra.edu.au> ta@labserver.canberra.edu.au (The Avatar) writes:

>Dov head lets face it not only are you a Richard Cranium but also you really 
>don't have the slightest clue about posting.  For heavens sake you 
>expatriated(certainly not evacuated - your full of it) yank don't rely on 
>the short term memory of us mere mortals.

They say that our short term memory can hold 7 items, max. How do I
choose which 7 I want ??????

Singo - "...sticking my tongue out"
Newsgroups: aus.flame,uts.flame
From: mddeitch@socs.uts.edu.au (Mark Deitch)
Subject: Re: James's `Natural' fantasy 
Reply-To: mddeitch@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: 24 Nov 92 00:21:03 GMT

leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy) writes:

 >Mark Deitch leaves UTS for Hollywood. 

 I wish!


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	      ** Mark **           --         University of ????????, Sydney
       mddeitch@socs.uts.edu.au    --          Bachelor of Applied Science,
         There can be only one     --               Computing Sciences,
             ** Deitch **          --                  Undergraduate

Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: Singular@csc.canberra.edu.au (Singo)
Subject: Manual of the arbitrary...
Organization: Discontinuous
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:02:24 GMT


"As the subject implies the ultimate do it youself
book of philosophy or whatever takes your fancy..."

As net.critic I would like like to criticise the
self referencial entries within.


Singo - "...go on let the punters work it out."
From: dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton)
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Re: Another day, another waste of space!
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:17:06 GMT
Organization: More like Dis~, really.
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

In article <ta.682.0@labserver.canberra.edu.au>, The Avatar writes:

> dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton) writes:
> 
> >48 missives in aus.flame, each successive one lamer than the last. 
> 
> At least you're a 'self-confessed' masochist DAC.  Given your complaints
> (deleted due to their triviality) I'm surprised you took the time to 
> actually read each and every one

_read_ them?

One just had to look at the '#lines' section of the precis, and
the poster's id, to KNOW that they were Sara Lee flames (lameness
upon lameness upon lameness) 

> stats program to do that.  Anyway why should I waste my sharp wit on such 

_Waste_? _Wit_? Two words starting with 'W' that are obviously
have quite different meanings in my lexicon, compared to yours.

> mutatis mutandis mutato nomine nonsum qualis eram note bene

Annagramised, that becomes:

I. Nanas, mumus and moo moos - bent in latitude, queer mint taste, annum.

Weird. An so appropriate for you, Master Clown.

Dac
--
dac@prolix.apana.org.au              David Andrew Clayton.           // _| _  _
dac@prolix.sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au      Canberra, Australia           \X/ (_](_](_
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis)
Subject: Re: Another day, another waste of space!
Reply-To: brent@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: 22 Nov 92 23:56:33 GMT

(Kim Sizer) writes:

 >Kim.
 >[just seeing if this gets thru]

It didn't. 

               Brent.

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From: Singular@csc.canberra.edu.au (Singo)
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Misnomer, UTS.boring.followup
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:46:57 GMT
Organization: Discontinuous


My apologies to the stalwarts, however , this group is rapidly
becoming UTS.boring.followup. I read that UTS is almost broke,
does that imply that net access may vanish ?, a pity for we will
miss the 3 posters of note. I do look forward to enjoying the 
misery of the rest of them...

Singo - "self confessed net.critic"
From: ta@labserver.canberra.edu.au (The Avatar)
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Re: Misnomer, UTS.boring.followup
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:48:51 GMT
Organization: University of the Clouds

In article <Singular.394@csc.canberra.edu.au> Singular@csc.canberra.edu.au (Singo) writes:
>Newsgroups: aus.flame
>Path: csc.canberra.edu.au!csc.canberra.edu.au!Singular
>From: Singular@csc.canberra.edu.au (Singo)
>Subject: Misnomer, UTS.boring.followup
>Message-ID: <Singular.394@csc.canberra.edu.au>
>Sender: news@csc.canberra.edu.au
>Organization: Discontinuous
>Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 00:46:57 GMT
>
>My apologies to the stalwarts, however , this group is rapidly
>becoming UTS.boring.followup. I read that UTS is almost broke,
>does that imply that net access may vanish ?, a pity for we will
>miss the 3 posters of note. I do look forward to enjoying the 
>misery of the rest of them...
>
>Singo - "self confessed net.critic"


mutatis mutandis mutato nomine nonsum qualis eram note bene
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy)
Subject: Re: Garrett = Jones - huh?
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 16 Nov 92 05:34:23 GMT


Iain:

>  Me:

>  >Pretty much. I was thinking more of *reinforcement* of values (Alan
>  >Jones especially).
> 
> Peter Garrett's primarily waxhead audience has few "values" at all, which
> most certainly don't include his stances on the US, the media, capitalism,
> land rights, etc.

Garrett and Jones are spokespeople whose words are taken as gospel by
their respective audiences. The audiences may, and usually do, only
have a parrot-fashion understanding of the issues Jones/Garrett
espouse, but that has nothing to do with my original point.

Neither did radicalism, the SMH, child molesting or BA Santamarina.

--- G M Heinrich  ( leroy@socs.uts.edu.au )
The duck is real good for many things - like texture, proportion, shapes.
How a duck is made and where the different things are on a duck can give
you a clue more or less the perfect composition for a painting. If you
could interpret a duck, if you could work within the rules for a duck,
you could get something close to a well-composed painting that had some
neat things happening.
						-- David Lynch.
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: ta@labserver.canberra.edu.au (The Avatar)
Subject: Re: Brent's omnisexual effort!
Organization: University of the Clouds
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 04:22:05 GMT

ed@hoof.uts.edu.au (Mr. Ed) writes:

>Message-ID: <ed.721963024@syzygy>

Well looky hear, I wonder who else posts from syzygy?

>brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis) writes:

> >My sexuality isn't really worth discussing. It isn't that interesting.

>   Hmph, that's what Wilbur said before he got a load of me!

>			    Ed.

Now whether its technics.socs.uts.edu.au /class/usr/mddeitch; or
                ultima.socs.uts.edu.au   /class/usr/mddeitch; or
                syzygy                   /equine/horses/arse

My very dear friend Arbez Depirts sniffed it out which just goes to show 
that Ditch is horse shit. How does it feel Brent, to get a bolt from a colt?


mutatis mutandis mutato nomine nonsum qualis eram note bene
From: Singular@csc.canberra.edu.au (Singo)
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Re: Another day, another waste of space!
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:36:13 GMT
Organization: Discontinuous

In article <yT+Zr*Nm0@prolix.apana.org.au> dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton) writes:

>Hey, Tomasso - your articles are far better than anything by the
>newbies around here. Although Brent is somewhat more pithy than
>you, and pips you at the post as far as an interestingness rating
>goes.

And I though I was net.critic...

Singo - "...time will tell"
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: ta@labserver.canberra.edu.au (The Avatar)
Subject: Re: Sydney's .. Glebe
Organization: University of the Clouds
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 22:58:55 GMT

brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis) writes:

>chris@state.COM.AU (Chris Keane) writes:

> >Oh dear.

>Just what I thought when I read the name "Chris Keane".

Another budding love affair looms on the horizon.


mutatis mutandis mutato nomine nonsum qualis eram note bene
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: ta@labserver.canberra.edu.au (The Avatar)
Subject: Re: The elusive new subject (Was: something else)
Keywords: obscene gerund
Organization: University of the Clouds
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 23:01:48 GMT

jeremy@sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) writes:
>In <axolotl.721559151@syzygy> axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) 
writes:>
>>leroy@socs.uts.edu.au (Leroy) writes:
>> >Peter Garrett is a Good Bloke. By that, I'm saying he's an acceptable 
>> >Australian philosopher type - like a young person's Alan Jones.
>>
>>Would you care to expand on why Peter Garrett and Alan Jones are "like"
>>each other?  They're completely dissimilar in every significant way.
>
>Bombastic and dogmatic are insignificant?

And significantly so at that.


mutatis mutandis mutato nomine nonsum qualis eram note bene
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: lnosborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Natural Log...)
Subject: ALL of EWE ARe: NOT natural - the judicious answer.
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:13:42 GMT


There is only one Natural Entity around here, and that is me!

The Natural Log!

PS: Bud, ash forest of yew, yew wood be boring if yew cone seed what I mint.

PPS: Napier Rules, OK.
--
1
2
3
4.				THE END
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: c9110499@cc.newcastle.edu.au (You want to barter my soul? You mean it's worth something? Here, take it...)
Subject: Re: To NOT or not to NOT, that is the question...
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 04:35:37 GMT

In article <ugkHsB5w165w@amigans.gen.nz>, zoltar@amigans.gen.nz (Grant Thoms) writes:
> God I wish all people would stop posting those silly NOT at the end of 
> their posts.. I mean loging in and seeing...
>  
> This Newsgroup is really cool....NOT!
>  
> Enya needs to die......NOT!
>  
> Sheesh! When are some of these schoolboys going to get over their 
> addiction to putting NOT at the end of each sentence.....
>  

Who really cares, but?

Fal.

Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: ta@labserver.canberra.edu.au (The Avatar)
Subject: Re: Brent's omnisexual effort!
Organization: University of the Clouds
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 23:11:30 GMT

mddeitch@socs.uts.edu.au (Mark Deitch) writes:

> To prove that you are really the Avatar tell me, is it true that you 
> got named the Avatar because you let Lord British release his 300 year
> distilled load into your bowel? (Being in Brittania of course, Lord
> British hadn't experienced earthly passion for many centuries. )

No actually it happened in one of those inexplicable dreams and went 
something like:

In the old days when cigarette boxes could be folded flat and thrown against 
a wall in a 'see who can get the closest' ego rendering competition I met, 
in this dream, a cigarette salesman.  This was also in the days of real fags 
where you drew and dumped the lot into your lungs, no filters.  Anyway when 
he spoke to me, and being a non-smoker, he said, 'Have a tar'. I of course 
said to him, 'How did you guess my real name?'. He of course replied, 'Oh 
no, I meant have one of these fags and fill your lungs with tar'. Anyway 
signing off, and waking from this horrendous nightmare, I responded, in an 
appropriate expletive of the time, 'Bother, now eveyone will know who I 
really am.'

Just thought I'd share that with you. 


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Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Re: Similarity
Keywords: 1+1=0
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:06:52 GMT

axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:

>osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn) writes:
> >"Any arbitrary two objects are equally similar".

>Watanabe isn't going to get very far with pattern recognition if he thinks
>that humans' capacity to distinguish is fundamentally irrelevant.  Is
>"Is this a trick question?" a trick question?

The question is indeed clean! The resolution of the paradox is in becoming
aware that classification is something that comes from _classes_, not
from _objects/entities_. Tell me how you classify "DAC" without stating
what classes you use, and I'll accept your ignorance...
Newsgroups: aus.flame,uts.flame,alt.flame
From: ta@labserver.canberra.edu.au (The Avatar)
Subject: Re: What I have just missed...
Keywords: holiday sun fun homosexuality
Organization: University of the Clouds
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 23:03:54 GMT

heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8)) writes:
>mddeitch@socs.uts.edu.au (Mark "Tool Hole" Deitch) writes:
>
>>Well at least I haven't been blowing my wad in homosexuals. I am sure those
>>apple handling techniques will prove useful in your sexual endeavours. 
>
>Cor, Mark - wot a nifty idea.
>
>Apples and sex have been synonymous with Laurie 8 for a long time, the
>number of Johnathans and grannys I have had would make your eyes water.
>
>Sexual endeavours are phallic symbols on Cook's ship - what I have are
>romantic experiences (sigh) - don't you feel unlucky, Marky?
>
>As for blowing wads into homosexuals - please blow your wad into a condom (or
>in this case, your hand or hanky will do - why waste a good piece of rubber?).

This topic is really getting very sticky.


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Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Correction (was Re: Arbitrary Belief Systems (was Re: the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth)).
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 23 Nov 92 02:38:17 GMT

osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn) writes:

>mddeitch@socs.uts.edu.au (Mark Deitch) writes:

>>.... Perhaps this says
>> something about 1) How easy it is to convince ignorant people into believing
>> a load of utter rot about unprovable phenomena i.e The Bible, by the use of
>> well researched and well thought out, drug induced fantasy, 2) That many
>> philosophers really are fucked in the head, but just had another couple of
>> million people who weren't so fucked make logic out of their insane 
>> predilections.

>The extent of progress in understanding in a society is usually NOT the result
>of some kind of enormous effort of dedication and compassion by the masses
>(and their 'leaders'/exploiters).

>Some bunch of idiots or other are driven by hubris, or greed, or some other
>fanciful obsession to create a new order. Normally these zealots are 
>drastically barking up the wrong trees, and it takes, then, a very large bunch 
>of philosophers (generic == "people who talk not-too-loudly in coffee shops 
>and pubs") to sort out the mess - a very large bunch indeed, because many of
>them are wrong (almost all the time) about anything new, many get sucked into
>the same egotistical quagmire as the zealots (or the dual quagmire of its
>denial), and a lot of them get too pragmatic to be useful ! ! !

Of course, this is completely untrue. ALL great movements are the result of
a giant aware dedication and empathy by the masses and their dedicated and
servile 'leaders'. The philosophers are the ones who complicate matters by
pretending to simplify things to the most minimal abstractions which would
support a reasonable normative appreciation... ...if such were feasible. 

Of course, the 'leaders' deny that such simplifications are possible (since 
it would threaten their hold over the yobs) and a battle ensues which sees
the abstractions converted to trite soundbites suitable for the mean attention 
span, interests and vocabulary.  The leaders' denials are unnecessary since the
yobs deny any comprehension of the philosophical pap until they can taste it.

This interplay of Babel continues until a _real_ threat is invented or 
discovered which leads to a 'call to action'. The subsequent taxation system
reduces the system back to the prior status quo, where nobody really knows
what's going on, but the rich get richer and the poor get poorer...

The problem in information theory is often misunderstood as a problem of the
encoding process, whereas, the main problems are problems of the receivers and
problems of the transmitters. It is a mistake to be diverted by the encoding
and ignore the limitations of reception and transmission!
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Re: Arbitrary Belief Systems (was Re: the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth).
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:14:15 GMT

mddeitch@socs.uts.edu.au (Mark Deitch) writes:

>Singular@csc.canberra.edu.au (Singo) writes:

> >By impication you are thus, 'a philosopher' which leads me to direct this
> >question to you... Why ???
> >
>  Now that we are all asking Sigmund Osborn questions, is it true that if you 
>  hang upside down and shout `Rocky and Bullwinkle' for 10 minutes
>  at 3.75 second intervals, that your hair will actually grow at a rate
>  proportional to the decrease of blood circulation in your left big
>  toe?

Without circular breathing, it would be impossible to carry out the
sufficient part of Mark's question. Anyone who could carry out circular
breathing would not waste his/her time on such a silly activity. Therefore,
by vacuous instantiation, the answer to Mark's question is "yes", but only
in the most boring way...
From: ta@labserver.canberra.edu.au (The Avatar)
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Re: Another day, another waste of space!
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:44:43 GMT
Organization: University of the Clouds

dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton) writes:

>48 missives in aus.flame, each successive one lamer than the last. 

At least you're a 'self-confessed' masochist DAC.  Given your complaints
(deleted due to their triviality) I'm surprised you took the time to 
actually read each and every one, let alone sigma them; thought you had a 
stats program to do that.  Anyway why should I waste my sharp wit on such 
banal threads, the responding to thereof was a sociological experiment well 
beyond your ken. 


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Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: osborn@socs.uts.edu.au (Tom Osborn)
Subject: Re: Another day, another waste of space!
Organization: Computing Sciences, Uni of Technology, Sydney.
Date: 16 Nov 92 00:45:42 GMT

ed@hoof.uts.edu.au (Mr. Ed) writes:

>dac@prolix.apana.org.au (Andrew Clayton) writes:

> >Hey, Tomasso - your articles are far better than anything by the
> >newbies around here. Although Brent is somewhat more pithy than
> >you, and pips you at the post as far as an interestingness rating
> >goes.

It's amazing what crept out from under the killfile - AKA the cone of silence.

Brent is pithy because [iff] he writes short responses, in the main. However,
this "interestingness rating" claim of DAC (and other statements about the
interestingness, by Kate, et al) reminds me of something my old primary school
teacher (Miss Perot) said about "interestingness" - something about, "if you
have to talk about it like that, you don't have much to say...".

Miss Perot, it turned out, was related to me through a line of fine Norman
archers who cross the English Channel in 1066 and went eyeball hunting. The
three Perot brothers were given titles and told to make pests of themselves
to all pretenders and egotistical self-deceivers - a tradition which Miss
Perot and I have both stuck to. The scary bit... ...Is H Ross a relative?

> >Oh, and Kate can just gobble her way to the bottom.

Kate is an interesting individual - at least judging by what she posts,
there is a good resilience and a reasonably well educated (although
dilettantic) mind. I'm sure that if she wanted to go for the bottom,
she wouldn't have too much trouble dislodging DAC...

But mind you, I wouldn't want to appear to be in the girlie's fan club, so
it behoves me to observes that her limitations of reasoning and scholarly
depth _in_ her own field, have been waving like a banner in the wind...

> Wait until you all get a load of me! >  Ed.

I don't wonder who this person is. Judging from the date and time of posting,
it must be a member of a very small group of individuals. However, one wonders
what actually is a "load of me" when uttered by a horse!

Tomasso.
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis)
Subject: Re: Brent's omnisexual effort!
Reply-To: brent@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date: 16 Nov 92 01:54:20 GMT

(Iain Sinclair) writes:

 >It's understandable that Brent's recent articles have led to him being
 >perceived as "omnisexual".  He's playing the homo/hetero game for everything
 >it's worth -- ie. a few smutty, empty Clary-style laughs, at most.  

My sexuality isn't really worth discussing. It isn't that interesting.

                          Brent.

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