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From: SGLENN@cmsa.gmr.com
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Wings1-Jets4
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:24:48 GMT
Organization: GM Research Labs


The Wings lost the season opener 4-1 to Winnipeg last night.
Bob Essensa played spectacular in goal for Winnipeg, and rookie
Teammu Selane (sp?) looks like a candidate to chase Lindros in
rookie of the year.

Winnipeg led after the first period 2-0 and went up 3-0 early in
the second before Sergei Fedorov scored Detroit's only goal.

The good news for Wings fans is that a young, speedy left wing who was
in camp finally showed his scoring ability that he was drafted for;
the bad news is he now plays for the Flyers. :-)

Lines for Detroit:
Gallant-Yzerman-Ciccarelli:  How does a left wing who almost doesn't make the
team suddenly make the first line?  Yzerman and Dino played decent, Gallant
cleared the puck for Winnipeg on the PP a couple times.
Burr-Fedorov-Ysebaert:  Ysebaert had some jump, but the line didn't do much
passing.  Fedorov got the goal on a line change and off a rebound of a Carson
shot.
Primeau-Carson-Kennedy:  Carson was flat.  Primeau showed more moves than
ever before and should be on the first line.  Kennedy showed his great speed
and nailed the post in the 2nd period with a shot that had Essensa beaten.
Kozlov-Drake-Sillinger:  The all-rookie line had the least amount of ice time
and the most scoring chances.  They showed that they should be in the lineup
every game.

DEFENSE:
Lidstrom-McCrimmon: I wonder if Bryan Murray is thinking that he made a mistake
not playing these two more in exhibition.  They were on for the first 3 Jet
goals and were burned badly.
Racine-Howe:  Howe turned in the best defensive performance.  Racine was
a bit shaky at times.
Chaisson-Konstantinov:  Relatively quiet.  Neither stood out or made any bad
plays.  It's good not to hear Konstantinov's name announced...it means he's
doing his job and staying out the box.

SCRATCHED:  Probert - Immigration; Sheppard - knee (but not as bad as expected,
may be back this week); Ogrodnick,Lapointe,Vial - extras; Malgunas (knee)

-Scott

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From: kiszkaw@woods.ulowell.edu
Subject: Re: Imponderables/ULF!
Organization: University of Lowell
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:29:20 GMT

In article <1992Oct16.142926.14707@dragon.acadiau.ca>, 900073s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Donald Smith) writes:
> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> 
>>>Considering the new news on Neely's injury I hope more hockey players
>>>realize that Ulf still does have perfectly healthy knees.  Someone needs
>>>to put him in the hospital for a few years.
> 
>>It's stupid comments like this that give hockey fans a bad name.  And
>>then when Player A puts Ulf in the hospital, someone will say Player A should
>>be put in the hospital.  And so on and so on.  
>   
>    Not at all...  In fact, I'd be the first to Congratulate Player A...
> Neely is one of *3* players that Ulf has screwed over...  

	Far be it for me to defend Ulf, but....
	In a recent interview for Faceoff magazine (A New England hockey
magazine), Cam Neely discusses, amoung other things, the knee.  One interesting
thing he had to say about it was the hit.  The following paragraphs are from
that interview (reprinted w/o permission...)

	"The Ulf Samuelsson hit on me that everybody sees on TV and blames for
my first problem in the 1991 playoffs is not the hit that caused the injury.
	"Nobody wants to believe it but that's the truth.  That hit was on my
right leg.  I had a bad charley horse from that but the hit that caused the
injury to the thigh, which in turn caused the injury to the knee, was in Game 6
of the '91 Pittsburgh series.
	"It was Samuelsson but it was to my left leg, not the hit that everybody
keeps referring to and the media shows on TV all the time.
	"It was in the third period.  Samuelsson was in the corner with the puck
and I went to hit him.  He ducked down and as you duck, your knees bend.  His
knee went right into my thigh.
	"I was going pretty good so I had a full head of steam.  I knew right
then I was hurting because I had never experienced that much pain before.
	"We were down by one goal at the time.  I still ended up playing the
rest of the game but after it was over I knew something was wrong.  I was in
some serious pain but it was the end of the season and I figured it would get
better."

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

He goes on to say that it got worse, and discusses his brief comeback last
season before his surgery.  So actually, Samuelsson didn't do anything
intentionally.  He was just curling into a fetal position for Neely's hit, and
Neely plowed into his knees!  :)

--- Anxiously awaiting Neely's return.....

> -- 
>  On October 26th, vote YES to Canada!!                                           I'll believe in the first religion I find that realizes God is a Habs Fan. 
>  Donald.Smith@dragon.acadiau.ca
 
	Bill Kiszka
	kiszkaw@woods.ulowell.edu
	U-Mass at Lowell
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Subject: Re: Fourth Pick in Hockey Pool - Any Suggestions???
From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:35:48 MDT
Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta

In article <mmaccorm.32@fox.nstn.ns.ca>, mmaccorm@fox.nstn.ns.ca (Mike Mac Cormack) writes:

> I have the fourth pick in my company's hockey pool today (October 6) and I 
> am trying to decide who to pick.  I am assuming that Lemieux, Stevens, and 
> Hull (or possibly Gretzky) will go 1-2-3.  I am debating whether to pick 
> Recchi, Lafontaine, Roenick or possibly Lindros.  Any suggestions?  Thanks 
> in advance.

I would take Lafontaine, myself.

If somebody actually takes Gretzky third (hell, in the first couple rounds!), 
buy him/her a drink....on second thought, they've probably had too much
already.

								Alan
From: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: NHL (Cleveland) Trivia Question
Date: 14 Oct 1992 17:38:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ab870@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, chill@cbnews.cb.att.com (daniel.a.miller) says:

>	A freind of mine and I are in a HEATED DISCUSSION, and maybe a few
>of the more knowledgable fans out there can help clarify our disagreement.
>
>	In the 1975-1976 and 1976-1977 seasons Cleveland had a profesional 
>Hockey team of some sorts.

From 1936 (or so) until 197something, there werew the Barons of the AHL.
A HIGHLY successful team that played downtown and won something like 9
calder cups.


Then came the WHA Crusaders, I believe.  The played 2 seasons or so in
the coliseum.

Then, around '78 or '79 came along the NHL Barons, who moved from
California.  They were owned by the Gunds, who now owns the Cavs and the
Sharks.  The Gunds is a HUGE cleveland family with family wealth, and a
lot of it.  The NHL Barons eventually merged with the North Stars.
>
>	I feel it was the (NHL) Cleveland Barons, that eventually folded
>and joined forces or became the NOW Minnesota North Stars.
>
>	My freind feels that the Cleveland Barons were NEVER an (NHL) team
>and the Cleveland Barons were no more than an (AHL) or (IHL) team. And that
>the Minnesota North Stars were formed sometime in the 1960's.
>
>	Which is the correct answer, or are neither of us correct!
>
>- Dan
>
>

-- 
Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu)
University of Michigan Class of 1996
From: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: New England Whalers (Was:Re: NHL (Cleveland) Trivia Question)
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:01:45 GMT
Reply-To: rjudy@dime.cs.umass.edu (Judy Ruot)
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Oct13.235447.12049@igor.tamri.com> gary@igor.tamri.com (Gary Schwartz) writes:
>In article <1992Oct13.142034.20308@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes:
>>I don't think the New England Whalers played in Hartford during the WHA 
>>days ... anyone remember for certain?
>
   I remember watching the Whalers play a game in the Hartford Civic
   Center, must have been before the civic center roof collapse (it  
    didn't collapse from too much snow but because the snow that was
    on it became wet and heavy and inferior quality roofing materials
    had been (illegally) used by the co. that constructed the
    building, hence it gave in. It was determined not to be a design
    problem.). So, yes, I do believe the Whalers did play in Hartford
    in the WHA days.

Judy

 
  

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From: macauley@bnr.ca (John MacAuley)
Subject: Re: Imponderables/ULF!
Reply-To: macauleybnr.ca (John MacAuley)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:12:09 GMT


In article <4er8fJm00UhW862VA=@andrew.cmu.edu>, Anna Matyas
<am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>I was browsing in the CMU bookstore yesterday and came across a book
>of imponderables.  One of the questions on the cover was "Do penguins
>have knees?"
>
>I thought for a moment and then said, "Ulf Samuelsson certainly does."
>
>:)
>
>Mom.

I hate this guy!!!  I really think the Brian O'Neil should
have suspended him for life!!!  I have never seen any person
more blatantly try to injury other players.  Oooooooh does
he burn my but!

The always quiet,

John.

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From: epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu (EVAN pritchard)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Best line this year?
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:30:21 GMT
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology

How about: 

Teemu Selanne, Alexei Zhamnov and Keith Tkachuk 

=================== 
Evan Pritchard ---- 

epritcha@psych.uiuc.edu  [alternatively  EVAN33@uiucvmd.bitnet ]
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute
Distribution: na
Date: Wednesday, 14 Oct 1992 10:29:21 EST
From: <AERE7114@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Eric Lindros

In your article about Eric Lindros, you mentioned his attributes and compared
them with another player.  It seems that you forgot <and the salary of a
Gretzky>.  Or more accurately <the salary of mre than Gretzky>.
I just hate the guy's guts.  Although I am a player myself, so yes I do
"appreciate" (did it suddenly get cold in here?) his playing ability.
In a press conference right after the Nords finally traded him, Lindros
thought that he should get the "salary of a Messier".  NOT!  Messier is an
alltime great with,like 10 years of kick-ass hockey experience.

Check six.
Paul
"BWWAAHHH!" -Tee (as in <hey, yo!Tee,my man!)
From: p7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Anthony Jang)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Pacifiers in honor of Lindros
Date: 15 Oct 1992 21:00:49 -0700
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: gambier.rick.cs.ubc.ca

In article <0wJPsB4w164w@cellar.org> darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:
[stuff deleted]
>
>What was uncalled for, however, was the *@#%brained *&!#wits who threw coins
>and batteries onto the ice.  If you don't like one guy, it really makes a
>lot of sense to put a coin on the ice that could easily cause any random
>player to slip and break his leg.  This went on throughout the game, and the
>Nords organization did nothing whatsoever about it.  Not a single fan was
>tossed.  It was despicable.
>
>^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\\\^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
>Thomas A. Darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * record production * dance re-mixing

I recently had a posting that nearly congragulated the Quebec fans,
but as I read on it seems aside from coins, there were batteries and
bullets thrown at him or the ice.  I don't know whether I can condemn
all the Quebec fans, but I do think more than a handful got carried
away with the Lindros stuff.

On a different note it seems there are a couple of Jets fans that
are on cloud nine after the Jets beat Edmonton.  They went so far
as to believe the Jets will beat Vancouver.  Let's compare, Edmonton
has 0 wins, Canucks have 0 losses.  ->  I don't think so.

tj

PS: when the time comes vote Bure for All-Star RIGHT WING.
From: v057p7nk@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Andrew W Korbut)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Bob Sweeney becomes a Sabre
Date: 13 Oct 92 12:10:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <16262@mindlink.bc.ca>, Gordon_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Gordon Wong) writes...
>> Robert Winkel writes:
> 
>> Well all I can say is...Thank You very much Boston for GIVING him to the
>> Sabres!!!
> 
>Give? Buffalo had to fork over the waiver fee to claim him.

What is it now?  Oh, yeah, about $99 more than Sabres got for Ray Sheppard..

>You're probably thinking that Bob Sweeney is the next coming of Mario Lemieux
>.... just give this thing a little time ... the real Bob Sweeney will show up
>real soon and you'll like him even more :)

Actually, you may have a point... he's been a bit of a rummy in recent years
for Boston.  He looks good now though, and Calgary is pissed for losing their
waiver claim on him by 1 goal in the 4th tiebreaker... Maybe Sabres should
trade him Calgary after the season?  Maybe for MacInnis? 8^)

 Dr.D [The Devils Advocate]        "Drinkin' & women & guns don't mix..."
 v057p7nk@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
 awkorbut@acsu.buffalo.edu                      - Mark Arm
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From: shipley@ug.cs.dal.ca (CHRISTOPHER JAMES A SHIPLEY)
Subject: Injury inqueries??:-)
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 22:08:35 GMT

 was wondering if anyone have any info. on the following players?
 -Cam Neely
 -Alex mogilny(has he played since the first game)
 -Vlad. Ruzickca(sp?)
 -John MacLean

 Thanks in advance...
 -mike
 
 



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From: (Gerry Gryschuk)
Subject: Re: Manon
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:01:53 GMT

From article <1992Oct12.160810.24381@adobe.com>, by snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols):
> In article <1992Oct10.080030.28286@access.usask.ca> (Gerry Gryschuk) writes:
>>I thought we were discussing the exploitation of a person or event for the
>>teams gain. In general players who don't deserve to be in camp but are invited
>>anyway aren't there to be exploited for the teams gain.
> 
> I disagree.  In general, *all* players in camp are there to be exploited
> for the team's gain.  
> 

Oh come one Sherri, you know what I meant by that comment. I'm not here to
win an arguement, I was simply trying to point out that I like consistancy
in opinions. That someone would have no problem with Manon Rheaume playing in
training camp purely as a *publicity stunt* but object to this same idea at
the regular season level is inconsistant IMO. That is not to say that
inconsistancy cannot be justified at times, however I don't see how Manon
playing for Tampa would have significantly altered their chances to win
the SC or make the playoffs, these being good reasons not to have her play.

If this isn't clear enough, I think maybe we should just agree to disagree
(again).
--
Gerald Gryschuk            Saskatoon,Saskatchewan = a place with 9 months
gerry@sask.usask.ca           of hockey and 3 months of poor skating.
Go Habs!!!		             (Maldonado is a bum.)
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From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner)
Subject: Re: Wings1-Jets4
Keywords: n
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 08:46:37 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.075651.21384@ray.fi> tl@ray.fi (TonyK Lindstr"om) writes:
>If you want to spell the name correct say it as Tehmoo SElannEh.
>
>Remember the e in the end.

Definitely.  I've been getting a crash course in the proper way of saying
Finnish names from different people on the net.  I correct people whenever
I hear them mispronounce his name.

>

(An aside to Nelson...hope your announcer gets a copy of the NHL Guide
soon and USES it.  Boy, did he butcher Selanne's name on his goal!  :)


Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets 
Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca -or- daryl.turner@mailbox.bison.mb.ca 
FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4  (please route through 348/700)
Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Selanne, he shoots, he scores! 
The Jets win the Cup!  The Jets win the Cup!
Essensa for Vezina!  Housley for Norris!  Selanne for Calder!
From: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: On-ice ads
Keywords: Foodland instead of the quote
Date: 12 Oct 92 13:16:09 GMT
Reply-To: f33012l@puukko.hut.fi (Janne Kivel{)
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland

etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:

< some text deleted >

>The on-ice ads in Sweden are mostly in the five circles, as I can remeber,
>but I think that any more than that would probably make it look 'messy'.
>
>BTW, Isn't it kinda funny, In "capitalist" America there are hardly any
>ads on uniforms, boards and ice while in "communist" (*) Europe there are
>ads all over the place!! :-)
>
>(*) Just to avoid any misunderstandings. Sweden is not communist ruled.
>It's actually not even socialist ruled anymore. Not many countries in
>Europe are communist ruled.

The same thought came to me when the discussion started.
How is it possible that Americans are the loudest complainers when it comes
to advertising on ice?

In Finland and in Sweden also shirts, pants and helmets are filled with ads.
It's sometimes difficult to find the team logo because there are so many
ads. One of the most curious ads I've seen is Otakar Janecky's shirt
number. Janecky plays for Jokerit Helsinki and his shirt number is 91.1,
which is the frequency a local radio station uses in its broadcasts. :-)

Janne Kivela"
      "N{m{kin pusakat vain viisysiysi. Ja kaikista valtakunnan..."
                     ----- Simo vaatehuoneelta
From: don@island.COM (Don Hermes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Borschevsky (wasRe: NHL STATS FOR OCTOBER 7th)
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:15:39 GMT
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization

In article <1992Oct10.005701.2784@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:
>The only player I can think of that was never a rookie was Wayne Gretzky.
>There's a long story behind that one....
>
>								Alan

So, what is the story.

Don
don@island.com
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From: claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)
Subject: Re: Pronounciation
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 22:17:38 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.141049.13330@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> vv1@dgp.toronto.edu (Marc J. Ouellette) writes:

>One that I wonder about is Mike Ricci.  Every sports announcer seems to
>pronounce his last name as Ree-chee.  However, he and my girlfriend went
>to the same high-school, and she said that they use to pronounce it as
>Ree-See...

I would tend to think that Ree-chee would be correct, since he is of Italian
descent.  (He in fact threatened to play in Italy at one point.)  Schools are
just as liable to errors in pronouncing students' names as everyone else.
When I went to junior high, there was one guy named Nitin Bhatia, which most
teachers mispronunced as "Baa-tia" but which he himself pronounced as "Ba(light
a)-tia."

===============================================================================
"M. C. Hamrlik: Can't Touch This Lightning."
GO LOS ANGELES KINGS!  Wayne Gretzky for Ross and Hart!
GO SAN JOSE SHARKS!  Sandis Ozolinsh for Calder!  Jeff Hackett for Vezina!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)
Subject: Re: On ice ads
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:28:08 GMT

The on-ice ads are extremely tacky, but then I never got used to
seeing ads plastered all over the boards either.  I'm also disgusted
by the way that on televised games, every little mini-feature, like
the out of town scoreboard, tends to collect commercial sponsors whose
names and slogans have to be regurgitated to us every time said
mini-feature appears.  This even happens on premium cable channels
like SC, where we have to pay to get the service, then not only have
to see commercial messages during the game, but get this ceaseless
product plugging even while we're watching the action of the game.
It's very distracting.  Gaggh.

> Watching Mario Lemieux glide over the FOODLAND ad is silly.  Before you know 
> it they'll be passing the puck across the Bepto Bismol blue line and feeding 
> your favorite player in front of the Meow MIx net.  The players themselves 
> will wear ads instead of team logos (which, admittedly, may be an 
> improvement to that new Pen).

It seems contradictory to me that players are still prohibited from
having their equipment manufacturer's logo visible on their equipment,
unless that manufacturer is one of the few that has paid a bribe to
the NHL for permission to have their logo displayed.  That kind of
logo I have no problem with.  It's a form of advertising, but at least
it has to do with hockey.  Now, if Foodland is going to open a grocery
store at center ice, then I'll feel better about them having their
logo out there :-).

By the way, I saw the advertising at the Meadowlands arena's center
ice during the Devils' opener that was broadcast Tuesday night.  I
don't remember who the advertiser was, but I do remember that the
Foodland logo struck me as conservative compared to it.
	-Steve
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