HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: ifcss@WAM.UMD.EDU (IFCSS HQ)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: IFCSS HQ NR-4014   Shen Tong Rescue Update
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:02:29 GMT
Article-I.D.: rac1.9209041802.AA06677

**************************************************************
IFCSS Headquarters News Release No. 4014     September 4, 1992
IFCSS Headquarters News Release 4014         September 4, 1992
              SHEN TONG RESCUE UPDATE
**************************************************************
Independent Federation of Chinese Students and Scholars (IFCSS)
   733 15th Street, N.W., Suite 440, Washington, D.C.20005
         Tel. (202)347-0017  Fax: (202)347-0018
                Email: ifcss@wam.umd.edu


               Shen Tong Rescue Update
               =======================

     The following memo was sent to several U.S. Government
offices in Washington D.C. this morning.

----------------------------------------------------------------

     At 10:10 this morning, IFCSS officer Shi Heping called Shen
Tong's mother Li Yining at her residence in Beijing. She had not
heard from Shen Tong since the day of arrest. Yesterday, when she
demanded information on Shen's whereabouts, she was told that
Shen had been sent to an "assigned place."

     According to Shen Tong's mother, no warrant was shown when
Shen Tong was arrested, nor was any specific charge mentioned.
Yesterday, she submitted a letter protesting the unlawful arrest
of her son and demanding his immediate release.

     Shen Tong's mother said that there were rumors that Shen
Tong had already been released. She believed that such rumors
were designed to obstruct efforts to rescue Shen Tong. She
appealed for urgent help.

     Based on above information and on behalf of the Chinese
students in the United States, IFCSS urges your office to take
further actions to pressure the Chinese government to release
Shen Tong and his two associates.

     Thank you for your attention.


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         IFCSS Headquarters Office    Signature
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From: HWANGK@VTCC1.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: IFCSS Statement on Shen Tong's Arrest
Date: 1 Sep 92 20:57:00 GMT


Dear netters,

        Due to some technical problems with the IFCSS HQ's computer system,
I am authorized by the HQ to release the following IFCSS statement for the
HQ. Please contact the HQ if you have any question regarding the matter
mentioned in the statement.

                                        Anzhi Lai

                                        September 1, 1992

===========================================================================



                 ***************************************

                  IFCSS Statement on Shen Tong's Arrest

                           September 1, 1992

                 ***************************************


        We were astonished to learn that Shen Tong, a Chinese student at
Boston Universtity, was arrested in Beijing yesterday during his home visit
to China. IFCSS expresses deep concern over the incident.

        Recently, the Chinese government has repeatedly pledged the safety
of overseas Chinese students, including those who have participated in
"anti-government" activities. Shen Tong's arrest once again cast serious
doubts on these pledges. As an organization whose mission is to safe guard
the interests of Chinese students and scholars in the United States, IFCSS
strongly demands

        1. That Shen Tong be released immediately and unconditionally and
allowed to return to the United States to continue his education;

        2. That pratical measures be adopted to ensure free entry and exit
by home-visiting students and guarantee their personal safety;

        3. That all violations of legitimate rights of overseas students be
terminated.

        We hope that the Chinese government will act swiftly and wisely on
this matter.
From: HWANGK@VTCC1.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: Tapes for Council Meetings
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:29:00 GMT

Dear IFCSS Members:

     If you want the tapes of the Lobby Emergency Meeting and the First
Council Teleconference, please send $7.00/per meeting and your address to
the following address:

                       Kai Hwang
                       6700K Foxridge
                       Blacksburg, VA 24060

the tapes will be sent to you.


Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,soc.culture.yugoslavia
From: ohrd!rdowlati@cs.toronto.edu (Ramin Dowlati)
Subject: Re: Fighting Fascism
Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 17:15:19 GMT

In article <1992Aug30.101500.15229@husc3.harvard.edu> stojanov@husc10.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
>
>
>
>			      The Guardian
>               			15.8.92.
>
>			      (front page)
>
>
>EVEN THE OLD ARE MADE TO PAY
>
>An empty road by a forest near Mostar in croatian Bosnia. Black shirted 
>militiamen have custody of two elderly Serbs from the area, a man and 
>his wife. The man appeared to have been hit - blood came from a wound by
>his mouth.
>
Did they have the words 'Serbian' written on their foreheads? How did the
reporter recognize that they were Serbs?

-Cheers
Xref: sparky soc.rights.human:3199 soc.culture.yugoslavia:8264
From: stojanov@husc10.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: Croats threatening the journalists!
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:24:42 GMT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center



%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
RFE/RL Daily Report   No. 156, August 17, 1992

HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES IN CROATIAN CAMPS. The Guardian on 15 August
and news agencies carried extensive reports on Croatian-run camps
in Herzegovina, at which women, children, and old people are held
in addition to soldiers. Croat officials gave journalists
permission to visit the area and claimed that the civilians had
come there voluntarily in hopes of being included in a prisoner
exchange, but the Guardian account describes a lawless and
dangerous frontier-type society in Croatian-controlled areas of
Herzegovina.  One military man warned inquisitive reporters: "A
journalist is like a soldier, the less you know, the longer you
live." Some western newsmen fresh from Herzegovina told the RFE/RL
Research Institute on 14 August that they had the distinct
impression that the Croats were trying to keep them out of certain
areas of Mostar.  (Patrick Moore)

_______________________________________________________________________________
From: gaojeng@DURRAS.ANU.EDU.AU (J. Gao)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: anonymous posting test
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:13:59 GMT

From Who@the.hell.are.you Fri Aug 28 16:01:52 1992
Return-Path: <Paradise>
To: soc-rights-human@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Subject: Anonymous Post!
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Summary: anonymous
Keywords: anonymous posting IS possible
Message-Id: <1992Aug28.042311.18553@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:23:11 GMT
Followup-To: anonymous post
Distribution: usa
Organization: this does not have to be true
Originator: 111@222.333.444.555
Status: R

This is a test.
From: gaojeng@DURRAS.ANU.EDU.AU (J. Gao)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: anonymousposting
Date: 28 Aug 92 21:16:16 GMT

From Who@the.hell.are.you Fri Aug 28 16:01:52 1992
Return-Path: <Paradise>
To: soc-rights-human@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Subject: Anonymous Post!
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Summary: anonymous
Keywords: anonymous posting IS possible
Message-Id: <1992Aug28.042311.18553@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:23:11 GMT
Followup-To: anonymous post
Distribution: usa
Organization: this does not have to be true
Originator: 111@222.333.444.555
Status: R


This is a test.
From: malenovi@plains.NoDak.edu (Malenovic Nikola V.)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,soc.culture.yugoslavia
Subject: check your forehead...(Re: Fighting Fascism)
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:26:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: plains.20133
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Sep3.171519.23294@ohrd.uucp> ohrd!rdowlati@cs.toronto.edu (Ramin Dowlati) writes:
 >In article <1992Aug30.101500.15229@husc3.harvard.edu> stojanov@husc10.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>			      The Guardian
 >>               			15.8.92.
 >>
 >>			      (front page)
 >>
 >>
 >>EVEN THE OLD ARE MADE TO PAY
 >>
 >>An empty road by a forest near Mostar in croatian Bosnia. Black shirted 
 >>militiamen have custody of two elderly Serbs from the area, a man and 
 >>his wife. The man appeared to have been hit - blood came from a wound by
 >>his mouth.
 >>
 >Did they have the words 'Serbian' written on their foreheads? How did the
 >reporter recognize that they were Serbs?
 >
 >-Cheers

The very same way other reporters from Balkan recognize Muslims and Croats I
suppose. Yeah, next thing I know, someone reports on CNN that he heard on
SCY how bloody animal Serbs started tatoo-ing of the Muslim and Croats
forehead so they can recognize them when having a snaiper lock on them...

ah never mind...

Nik
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Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.greek,bit.listserv.politics,talk.politics.misc.talk.politics.theory,eunet.politics,misc.headlines
From: jalleh@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Jalleh Sharafizad)
Subject: Re: Editorial in N.Y. Times (8/18/92)
Organization: Murdoch University
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:41:58 GMT

hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim) writes:



>New York Times
>Thursday June 11, 1992

>TEHERAN HANGS 4 FOR RIOTING IN MAY
>Condemned Were Convicted of Arson in 
>Biggest Revolt Since Iran Revolution

>Four people charged with arson and "pillage of state property" were
>executed in Mashad today...  They were
>sentenced to death by hanging "based on the ruling of the Islamic
>Revolutionary Court in Mashad and with the approval of the Supreme
>Court", the radio said.

could someone please email me when the riot took place in Mashhad
and when did it stop?

thanks 

jalleh

>"Mirror is a very useful object." [From the wisdom of forefathers.]
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human,soc.culture.iranian,alt.discrimination,talk.religion.misc,talk.politics.mideast
From: hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim)
Subject: Re: Editorial in N.Y. Times (8/18/92)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:32:19 GMT


In article <mne.duv2v@lab.ntt.jp> farzin@apollo3d.apollo3.ntt.JP (Farzin 
Mokhtarian) writes:

>So far the only "evidence" I have seen is the NY Times article and the
>word of the Baha'i organizations, neither of which is convincing to me.
>I am NOT claiming that the execution did not happen BUT I am not
>convinced that it did happen. I have no more to add to this.

In article <1992Aug25.230920.23868@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com 
(Jake Livni) you write:

JL>On a different case, the following is available:

JL>**********************************************

New York Times
Thursday June 11, 1992

TEHERAN HANGS 4 FOR RIOTING IN MAY
Condemned Were Convicted of Arson in 
Biggest Revolt Since Iran Revolution

Four people charged with arson and "pillage of state property" were
executed in Mashad today...  They were
sentenced to death by hanging "based on the ruling of the Islamic
Revolutionary Court in Mashad and with the approval of the Supreme
Court", the radio said.

Criticism from Ayatollah

Iran's supreme religious leader, Ayatollah, Ali Khamenei, criticized
the Iranian press today for having referred to the protesters as
"people".

"These were not regular people," Ayatollah Khamenei told new members of
Iran's Parliament today, the television reported.  "The incidents in
Mashad were a conspiracy by foreigners, our enemies.....

[Only a part of the text of the news has been presented for the sake of 
 brevity. KH]

JL>**********************************************

But Jake your reasoning is very distorted. You do not appear to have
realized how profound is the point made by Farzin. Let me reiterate
in the context of the present situation:

So far the only "evidence" I have seen is the NY Times article and the
word of the Iranian organizations, neither of which is convincing to 
me. I am NOT claiming that the HANGINGS did not happen, or that these 
individuals were IRREGULAR people, BUT I am not convinced that the
hangings did happen, and that these individuals were indeed REGULAR 
human beings. I have no more to add to this.

I couldn't resist Farzin :-^). 

Regards,

Kamran Hakim

"Mirror is a very useful object." [From the wisdom of forefathers.]
From: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Newsgroups: soc.rights.human
Subject: Western Values
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:51:13 GMT
Reply-To: mulvihil@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Lawrence Mulvihill)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

If Judy Mann had called me, I would have suggested that
multiculturalism is explicitly wrong, because it denies
the superiority of Western values as a way of life for
humans (in effect, setting up situational
ethics relativism for cultures).

-- Newt Gingrich
   Republican Whip
   U.S. Representative (R-Ga.)

   From a letter to the Washington Post Sept 2, 1992
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Date: 1 Sep 1992 16:29:33 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep1.215554.21991@spdcc.com> 
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1992Sep01.204032.31454@watson.ibm.com> 
> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
> >> Steve, do you have to *work* at being this big an asshole or were
> >> you born this way?
> >he's enrolled in arne's twelve step program.
>
> And I've been trying to get Arne to stop wearing those spike heels.

I wouldn't be seen dead without my stilettos on.  <Stamps foot> <snap!>

> Ouch!

And if you don't stop I'll do it *again*.

Arne


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay
Date: 03 Sep 92 01:21:29 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.



(bobsarv)
>So, Alan isn't allowed to have any personal tastes which conflict
>with gay political correctness, is that it?  It's okay to have
>personal opinions, as long as they're not offensive to anyone?

/(vanyel)
/No, Bob.  It's okay to have personal opinions, as long as they mirror Jess
/and Arne's.


Oh.  Silly me.




(vanyel)
/Credibility, like anything else on the planet, is subjective.  I've
/discussed this situation with a lot of people, including some who read the
/net.  It's amazing how many of them agree with me on this....

NOW ALAN, YOU *KNOW* BETTER THAN TO DO THAT.  Rule #6 of the soc.motss
Cabal clearly states that "no poster (except those defending positions 
approved by the Cabal) shall have the right (or audacity) to claim 
support from "other people".



(anderson)
>/... is that your credibility has been severely compromised.
>/Evidently you want to respond to that (makes sense to me) by
>/getting disentangled from Sarver (good idea) and at least
>/being judged as yourself only.

(bobsarv)
>Hear that, Alan?  I have "tainted" you.  Now it's YOUR credibility
>that is compromised.  


/(vanyel)
/Yeah, I noticed.  Did you ever notice how it hasn't occurred to anyone
/that I might have my *own* opinions on this?



Of course not.  They don't have any individual opinions.  They get their
opinions from the groupthink collective; it never occurs to them that 
independent opinions exist.  

Hmmm. . . I wonder if they could be related to the Borg . . .
From: zwicky@erg.sri.com (Elizabeth Zwicky)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 26 Aug 92 23:27:56 GMT
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA

gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart) writes:

>In article <1992Aug20.051659.29143@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) 
>   writes:
>> God, you're lame and
>> pathetic.

>     Was God wearing the pathetic lame' dress, or was Bob?

God does not wear lame'. Especially not pathetic lame'. God is only
somewhat lame, most of the time, and finds that people usually snicker
when she tries to be pathetic. She does have an unfortunate tendency
to refer to herself in the third person, however. 

	Elizabeth
	zwicky@erg.sri.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin)
Subject: Re: Question about Microsoft Corp.
Originator: jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 13:33:24 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson):
>> well, i'd rather read than play poker *or* watch movies, darling.
> 
> Would you care to test one of Apple's new interactive software
> packages?  It's sort of the fem. gay counterpart to Sargon the
> Butch's masc. gay persona.

only if you show me where the break key is... these creatures make
eliza look like a logic system.


-- 
Jason Coughlin ( jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
Queer Without A Cause!
"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: Too straight looking to be gay??? (was re: UNGAY GA
Organization: Stanford University
	<1992Sep02.005446.13716@microsoft.com> <b-knsl.jfh@netcom.com>
Date: 2 Sep 92 01:10:57

In article <b-knsl.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

   In article <1992Sep02.005446.13716@microsoft.com>
   bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob    Sarver) writes: 

   >Cute.  But you're the seventh queen to pull that material on me.
   >What do you folks do, get together and rehearse the lines in group
   >sessions, or what?

   We have *much* better things to do in our group sessions (KKruella,
   can I have that wax when you're finished?).

   Slightly more seriously... if you asked 100 mathematicians what the
   square root of 4 is, and they all told you that it's 2, would you
   conclude that they were getting together and rehearsing?

Actually, yes.  

Despite this quibble, the notion that widespread agreement on the
bleeding obvious is "groupthink" is farcical.

- Bob
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Borges
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:14:25 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep1.071425.7979
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

>speaks volumes

"You know, I could write a book, and this book would be thick enough
to stun an ox. Because I can see the future, and it's a place about 75
miles east of here, where it's lighter."

Anyone here ever read Borges? I'm thinking specifically of a story of
his in "Labyrinths", possibly titled "the Library of Babel". The idea
is that there's this library in which every possible combination of
letters that could exist is stored.

All possible books exist in this library. Much of it is nonsense, but
some of it is Truth. Furthermore, somewhere in the library is a
catalog of all the catalogs of books in the library. A grail.

It's a great story.

ObMotss - is there any for Borges? He's a lovely writer, sort of a
literary HP Lovecraft (in my perception), but his stories are pretty
much unsexual.
-- 
                __
nelson@reed.edu \/           Fortune presents gifts not according to the book
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 28 Aug 92 04:10:45 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.


/[Jess]
/>Not to worry one teeny, tiny bit (though thanks for your
/>concern).  Don't think I take anything he says at all
/>seriously.   


Stupid fuck; who do you think you're fooling?  Any post I make (or,for
that matter, that orr makes) just makes you hyperventilate and get
all self-righteous and worked up.



/(anderson)
/ I mean, how could anyone pay *any* attention to
/>him at all?


You obviously do.  

As another poster so keenly pointed out, half the postings 
to me & about me have single-handedly been generated by 
YOU, Jessie.  

For someone who is so "well-adjusted" and "mature",
and who believes that I am merely "a sick person" who should be 
"ignored", you just can't seem to let anything I post go 
by you unanswered, can you?

Trying to pretend that something doesn't bother you while simultaneously
attempting to beat it to death is pretty unconvincing.


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Insults
Date: 26 Aug 1992 09:35:46 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <4871@news.duke.edu> John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu writes:
> In article <l9mjuqINN96v@mizar.usc.edu> 
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>
> John Graves writes:

Correct that to "John Graves writes all sorts of touchy-feely
stuff about how we should love the homophobe and hate homophobia
before concluding with":

> >> Explanation and education, not insult and ostracism should be the 
> >> order of the day.
> >
> >Fuck off, asshole.

> I believe it is better to be inclusive, civilized, pleasant, and caring than
> exclusive, angry, self-righteous, blaming, and rude.  

Yes, well, I believe it is better to think before giving
advice that can quite literally get someone killed.

> I believe it is better to reach out even in the face of oppression.

You counsel reaching out *to* the oppressor.

> I believe it is better to love than to hate.

In the best of all possible worlds, yes.  We don't live there,
and it's a waste of my time to pretend to love those whom
I hate.

[...]
>    but I do not believe that I do my cause or that of other gay men,
> bisexuals, Lesbians or other oppressed sexual minority (or majority - as 
> women are oppressed) any good by resorting to name calling or other 
> activities designed to separate us into the correct and the incorrect.  

And I see no reason to pretend that the incorrect are anything 
*but* incorrect.

> If you wish to not take any responsibility for making the world a better 
> place, you could not have stated it any better than by rejecting education 
> and explanation.

Thank you, O teacher.  Listen, you can continue kissing ass, but 
please don't kiss ass in my name.

Arne
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: "Behind the Hate in Oregon"
Date: 3 Sep 92 21:03:15 GMT
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR


I know that my roommates and I have discussed what we would do if
Measure 9 passes.  A few weeks ago we pretty much decided to move
up to Bellingham that way we could get the best of Vancouver B.C. and
Seattle.  We really had a defeatist attitude.  It is like we are tired
of going around and around with "Gay 101". 

But after dealing with this downer attitude we are now becoming more and 
more angry.  I have made a pact with myself to hug everyone of my Gay and 
Lesbian friends when we meet in public.  I mean we do it in the clubs
and at the beach and at meetings and parades and functions, why not in 
"real" life too.  

If the measure passes we will have a bad 3 or 4 years, but most political
science people in the universities say that the law will not be up held
in the Federal Courts.  But the appeals process through the courts will
take time.  

My attitude at this point, if 9 passes, is to make these people's 
laws work against them.  One of my ideas is to 
call for the removal of all religious materials from the public libraries,
all works written by and inspired by religion.  I just feel that if they 
are going to insert a piece of shitty laws into the "people's" constitution
and then use that against us then maybe it is time to use it ourselves 
against them.  Separation of Church and State ring a bell.  

So I think I will follow my lesbian bus drivers advice and make peoples' 
lives miserable if Measure 9 passes.

Bil Snodgrass iii
Newsgroups: soc.motss