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From: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier - Sun - Coventry.)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Manx Grand Prix
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:55:26 GMT
Reply-To: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com
Distribution: world
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: discovery.uk.sun.com


UK Denizens....Here's an offer you can't refuse.
I've got a place left in a four seater aircraft flying to the Isle of Man on
Sunday 30th August and back Monday evening (31st August..bank holiday)
The idea is to get pissed on Bushey's Brew on Sunday and watch some racing on Monday.

Let me know asap if you're interested.

Roger.Collier@Uk.Sun.COM		Sun Microsystems
					Warwick University Science Park
(44) 203 692255				Coventry CV47HS
					England


DoD#226		GSXR1100L
From: lm8637@tnessd.sbc.com (Lou Montgomery (214+464-1049))
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Silly Indian Question
Date: 14 Aug 92 14:10:33 GMT
Organization: Southwestern Bell

In article <16a15sINNneu@cs.utexas.edu> osborn@cs.utexas.edu (John Howard Osborn) writes:
>Not that I can afford to buy one, I'm just curious:
>How suitable is an old Indian for daily use these days?

        Hey John, if you don't mind too much, could you please take
       this to alt.sex.bondage.geriatic? Sheesh, this *IS* rec.MC
       fer goodness sake.      ,
                             -(B-)=
                               '

                                           Later...
                                                   ...Lou #0083
From: hamm@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Craig Hamm)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Drunk Cagers (Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters)
Date: 19 Aug 92 00:35:11 GMT
Organization: Ocean Sciences Centre

In article <25578@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
|
	(story about cops getting drunk drivers, deleted)
|> 


|> 	As much as I hate to see drunk drivers on the road (and I have been involved
|> in a hit and run accident with a car that was obviously driven by a drunk guy
|> while I was with my like-new bike I had bought 2 months before (gives you a few
|> reasons to hate the kind believe me, plus marks on the skin just to remember)).
|> 
|> 	As much as I despise the person, well I despise even more people that have an
|> attitude like the one described above. I personally find denounciation like
|> this degrading.
|> 
|> 	What about trying to talk to the guy for example ? With a few well chosen
|> words you can make him feel very miserable. There are other ways than pure
|> repretion like this, and especially vicious denounciation like what you've
|> described.
|> 
|> 	JNM

	Well, when you own a car/vehicle, and you KNOW you aren't allowed
	to drink and drive, and you DO drink and drive, I say you get
	what's coming to you, especially if it's a cop.   That asshole
	might say 'yeah, you're right buddy etc.', and when you bugger off
	to finish your burger he buggers off too.  I don't trust drunks, they're
	drunk!  They're driving because they're logic is impaired to begin
	with.  I won't reason with a drunk, that is driving a car.  Nail him
	with the law.  The neat think about drink and driving, unlike helmet
	laws which you can debate forever, is that nobody can prove (to me
	at least) that it doesn't impair driving ability.  Alcohol is a
	relaxant.  

	These people should be degraded, they could kill your wife/girlfriend/
	husband/drive-through-your-front-window-and-wipe-out-your-whole-
	universe.  


	My 3 cents.

	
-- 
  
    Craig Hamm, 
    Memorial University		   
    DoD #1500,           
    '81 Maxim 650 

	'A pancake? Jeez, all this time I thought it was a mousepad.'
--
From: sai@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM (S.Fielding-Isaacs [WWFO Pubs Project Lead])
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: fj.lec.moto
Keywords: It's a conspiracy, I tell ya :-)
Date: 14 Aug 92 00:45:56 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: formula1.corp.sun.com

In article <1992Aug13.175213.395@ms.uky.edu> cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) writes:
>Look what I found and what in the hell is it??????
>
>
>Newsgroups: fj.soc.traffic,fj.rec.motorcycles
>From: kobayasi@st00.pu-toyama.ac.jp (Dr. K.G.Kobayashi)
>Subject: Re: Trafic rule changed from 8/1
>Distribution: fj
>Date: 11 Aug 1992 13:26:20 GMT
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>
>$@>.NS(J@$@IY;38)N)Bg(J $@$G$9!%(J
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>stanaka@nttsgw.yh.ntts.co.jp (Satoru Tanaka) writes:
>> $@$_$J$5$s$4B8CN$@(J$@$H;W$$$^$9$,!"#8!?#1$+$iF;O)8rDLK!$,2~@5$5$l!"7Y;!41$NH=CG(J
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>--
>$@>.NS#G0l(J$@Li(J@$@IY;38)N)Bg3X!?(JVehicles: Eliminator900 & Mirage Fabio1.3
>Kazuya G. Kobayashi, Toyama Prefectural University$@!?(JNIFTY PDE01450

 Dude....

 It's _obviously_ a Japanese codeset. Get an NIS terminal and learn
 to read Japanese and it'll probably make sense.. <giggle... snort>.

 Stef
--
Stefan Fielding-Isaacs         me: (415) 599-4876  me at them: (415) 688-9400  
dba Live-Wire Technologies (a consulting technical writing firm) 
AMA/CCS #5, Regional Lightweight Supersport, Superbike, Grand Prix Champion
mail:  race-request@formula1.Corp.Sun.COM to join motorcycle roadracing list
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: RE Mr. Small
Date: 18 Aug 1992 15:31:07 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com

In article 9Mn@wpi.WPI.EDU, mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:
>Somewhere, Sometime, Thus Spake egreen@East.Sun.COM:

>:- Get a fuckin life, pal.
>
>	if you had paused to read mary shafer's post before responding,

What makes you think I didn't?

>	you would have noted that she made a generalized reference to
>	posts from .edu sites 

Which is hardly the same thing as blaming an individual for the actions
of her employer.

>:- >An idiotic reply to an idiotic comment.
>
>	all he did was point out the idiotic nature of making
>	generalized statements based on individual behaviour 

*IF* that's what he was doing, what generalized statement did he make
based on Mary's behavior?  Exactly the opposite, he made a very
specific inference about her competence, her priorities, and her
humanity, based on a generalization, her place of employment.

>:- No, just an idiot.
>
>	who?

Figure it out.


---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...

Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Leaning
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 13:29:58 GMT

captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin) writes:

>I have an idea.  Maybe the right hand turns are less severe, because
>(in right-side-of-the-road countries) there is often a nasty curb that
>makes you not want to lean toward it.  On most left hand turns there's
>nothing to distract one from leaning well into the turn.  Just a thought.

Except maybe oncoming traffic...
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
From: captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bran Muffin)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Photo Radar
Date: 20 Aug 92 04:39:57 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <3972.2A91BBE0@kennel.FIDONET.ORG> john@kennel.FIDONET.ORG (John Hamilton) writes:
>
>Like I said before, the ticket would have been issued to Mr. Bob because he
>crested the hill first. The officer was very clear that CVC required him to
>give just one ticket, and that ticket had to be to the lead vehicle if two
>were close together at apparently the same speed.
>

What's this?  The CVC allows a cop only one ticket per group?  Then why
was I stopped at the same time that the other guy was stopped?  What's
the cop truly allowed to do?  Is this the same in Texas, anyone know?

ObMoto: I almost got rearended today.  I'm buying a right-side rearview
mirror tonight or tomorrow.  A public "thank you" to whoever my guardian
angel is.


-- 
|The opinions expressed above are merely the result of random synaptic firings|
|A little sixty-nine would be just fine,                             -   O    |
|So let's cut all this talk, just climb on my Hawk!                    |      |
|captain@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  (Brian Murfin)  DoD# 0690  nt650gt     \_^___/   |

Organization: Senior, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 08:56:42 -0400 
From: "Peter A. Simon" <ps3p+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Want a motorcycle

Alison,

There's a motorcycle club here on campus which you ought to get in touch
with.  You can subscribe to cmu.misc.cmrc to find out what they write to
each other.  They're a really friendly bunch and would be more than
happy to share their knowledge with you.  I've taken the liberty of
forwarding your message to that bboard.

Specific to your question, there's a weekly magazine called, roughly,
Auto Trader.  There are four (I think) editions of it.  One is just
"Auto Trader," one is "Truck Trader," and so on.  One of the editions
has classic cars, boats and MOTORCYCLES!!!  The ad are all from the
tri-state area (WV, OH, PA).  The prices are frequently sickening (a
1986 Harley 883 for $3500?!!!!!  Sold by the time I called, of course). 
Anyway, you can buy copies of the mag from places like 7-11, CrossRoads,
probably any newsstand (down on Forbes a block west of  the "O", that
little store on Craig and Forbes, the Squirrel Hill Newstand, etc.)  I
think it comes out on Saturday.

Second, you and your friend MUST take a Motorcycle Safety Course.  That
MUST is a moral imperative.  You'll get lots of specifics from people
who know more about them than I do.  Believe what people say about them
and the desirablility of taking one.

Third, subscribe to cmu.misc.market.transportation.  M'cycles are
sometimes on sale there.  Incidentally, a bike was just advertised on
.cmrc that was a good deal.  Also, I am selling a very similar bike
(1981 Honda CM400 Custom).  If your friend and/or you want to look at it
I'll ride it to campus.  I promise not to give you the hard sell (I'm
trying to sell it through the above mentioned "Auto Trader") but I'll
try to answer any questions about bikes in general.

Anyway, hope this helps.

-peter

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From: ryang@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu (Robert H. Yang)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: spuutter rain
Date: 17 Aug 92 22:27:36 GMT
Distribution: rec

In article <1992Aug17.161839.18235@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil>, dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small) writes:
> Just curious, have any of the Goof2's having any wierd problems?

	I haven't found anything weird in 8200 miles (not that it's
a long time).
-- 
Robert H. Yang               | DoD # 0593
Pittsburgh, PA, U.S.A.	     | '92 CBR600F2 "It hisses on snakes."
RYANG@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU | AMA # 642916

   "Society cannot change until persons change.  We have hope for the
    future because we have seen persons change." - from "I'm OK, You're OK"
From: rja@batcomfs.Eng.Sun.COM (rja@sun.com)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: CHP Public Service Anouncement
Date: 13 Aug 92 15:40:29 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: batcomfs

In article <1992Aug13.015750.17365@nas.nasa.gov> ciotti@wk42.nas.nasa.gov (Robert B. Ciotti) writes:
>
> I am sick and tired of seeing the California Highway Patrol 
>'public service' anouncement on motorcycles. You may have seen it,
>starts out, a guy is firing up his bike and the camera shows the
>guys boots, and then and anouncer comes on and says, " You know, 
>they way some people ride motorcycles, you would think that they 
>didn't have a head", then it shows the motorcyclist riding away 
>with no head. This commercial really pisses me off, instead of 
>focusing on good things to do on your motorcycle, like taking a 
>MSF class, they choose to portrey the lowley motorcyclist as a 
>headless scumbag, talk about gross prejudgicial generalizations!
>What really pisses me is that I paid for the damn thing with my 
>tax money.  They damn thing has been on the air for months. Any 
>one else pissed?

    I guess I don't watch enough TV, as I haven't seen it.
    But it does piss me off, along with those assenine "Put
    on your thinking cap billboards.  One was vandelized to
    say "Put on your Rodney king Caps."  I wish someone else
    would do one that said "Put on your FUCKing Cap".
--
    Robert Allen, rja@sun.com		DISCLAIMER: I said it, not my company.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 14:27:06 EDT
From: <TLT101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Drunk Cagers (Re: %$*#^$! Tailgaters)
 <1992Aug19.195246.16451@balrog.dseg.ti.com> <25606@dog.ee.lbl.gov>
 <14197@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>

Drunk drivers should be off the streets. I know a friend who was
just in an accident, he was a passenger, all 4 in the car were drunk.
They hit a tree at over 100mph, luckily only the driver was killed.

I think the most out of it I"ve ever seen a drunk is the guy who went to
pull out for the local McDonalds. He went to back out of his space but
he had the car in drive. Ran over the bushes, 50 yards across a parking lot
and into the side of a building. Now you can't tell me its safe on the
roads with people that drunk.


Tim Thompson TLT101@PSUVM.PSU.EDU

Yamaha Maxim 400, 1983
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: Re: Muzzy vs. Fiamms
Reply-To: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:34:10 GMT

ma1w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Joseph Andy) writes:
>steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:

>> Ride quiet.  It makes for friends for motorcyclists.

>And there is a _big_ difference between riding a bike that you can't
>hear working and a bike that thrills your soul with its music.

Well I guess if your bike is so gutless that the acceleration can't
thrill you, settling for mere noise is an alternative.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland        580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com  uunet!javelin.sim.es.com!blgardne  BIX: blaine_g
Dumper of Dirtbikes #46       My other motorcycle is a Quadracer.      FJ1200
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Kevin
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:28:26 GMT
Expires: 31 Aug 92 05:00:00 GMT
Followup-To: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
Organization: Computervision Corp., Bedford, Ma.

|In article <Bt3s9H.1nF@news.udel.edu> andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen) writes:
|>In article <RKOU.92Aug16172205@skat.ucs> rkou@skat.ucs (Roger H. Kou) writes:
|>>
|>>I don't think I have done anything that are either stupid or uncalled for.
|>>If you recall, all I did was posting a question regarding Honda Helix/Elite.
|>>What Mr. Small did, IMHO, was overboard. But of course, _adults_ somehow
|>>have a different view of things. :-) I hope I will never be like you or
|>>Mary.
|>>
|>>-RK
|>
|>
|>I think this idiot is a prime opportunity for the DoD collective
|>to once again exercise the power DoD Long Distance Mind Meld (tm)...
|>
|>Anyone from the East Coast or midwest up for a ride to 
|>the West Coast to finish off the summer with a bit of 
|>fun and excitement?!?!?!?!?!?

I think the Mind Meld (tm) is too good for him - how 'bout we all just line
up behind him and his gurly-man scooter and take turns running up on 
him for a 65 mph slap in the back of the head...

...'course I'll probably get sued for verbal network assault by him for 
posting this (is this what school is teaching these dinks these days?).


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
[  This Space For Rent       ]              (617) 275-1800 x 4173
The street giveth and the street taketh away - Catmother
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From: fridman@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Robert Fridman)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: BMW K75s Review and turbos
Date: 14 Aug 92 20:07:16 GMT
	<1992Aug13.134221.19172@linus.mitre.org>
	<1992Aug13.171828.13930@isc-br.isc-br.com>
Organization: UofC cpsc


> >You could always fit the Luftmeister Turbo on it.  That ought to make up
> >the power that you'd like...
> >-- 
> >| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
> 
> I doubt it.  I think this falls into the category of NSfCI (No Substitute
> for Cubic Inches).  My experience with turbos (all automotive) suggests
> it would add power in the WFO area, but not do much for the grunt called
> for to push my SO and me around while touring.  Anybody with more
> experience think otherwise?


The  Luftmeister Turbo on a K75 will kick in at about 6000 RPM.  Not quite WFO.
At 14psi of boost, it will slip the clutch.  One problem with this setup
is that you only have 2500 RPM before the rev limiter kiks in and stops the
fun.  But if you change the final gearing, at 8700 RPM in 5th, you should
do about 240 KM/hr;)  If you move the rev limiter to about 10,000 RPM, at full
turbo boost (me thinks its about 20psi) you should reach about 270 KM/hr.
(Actually, Luftmeister got a K75 to go 196 MILES/hr, but I'm sure they
had some other mods done)

	RF.
From: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Cleaning O ring chains
Keywords: whatever???
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:32:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: serval.1992Aug19.193250.28857
Organization: Washington State University

In article <Bt7IrD.y8@mail.boi.hp.com> edw@boi.hp.com (Edward Walsh) writes:
>bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>: In article <1992Aug18.160444.20183@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andrew Michael Woodward) writes:
>: >All the info says use parraffin, which gets the crap off and doesnt eat the
>: >O-rings. Paraffin is not easy to get round my way and I'm reluctant to get 
>: >a load in if diesel (which I put in the Landrover anyway) does the job equally
>: >well.
>
>: Usually I just lay on the sofa with a cool wash cloth on my forehead and my
>: feet up a bit until the urge goes away.  When the urge becomes overwhelming
>: I use kerosene and a turkey baster.
>: I have 17,000 + miles on the chain and it still has a few miles left.  The
>: kerosene can't be hurting it too much.  
>: Ride Clean,
>: Bill
>: bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu if you feel compelled to send email
>--
>
>Umnm, uh Bill, Paraffin is British language usage for Kerosene. He can't
>find any.
>------------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company-------

Wow, I knew their spelling was funny every time I see tyre, but spelling
paraffin when you mean kerosene is serious.

Perhaps you should consider the first bit of my advise.  Lay down on a sofa
put a cool wash cloth on your forehead and put your feet up a bit until
the urge to clean your chain goes away.  :-)

Ride Free, if a little messy,

Bill
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From: joe@mpd.tandem.com (Joe Senner)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: countersteering a shaft does NOT work (was Re: Countersteering a shafty)
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:54:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: devnull.2239

ok, got your attention :-)

achenbac@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Jeff Achenbach) writes:
dana@locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
> >Who else has discovered that countersteering does not appear to work
> >correctly on shaft-drive motorcycles?
> 
> Huh?
> The only time countersteering won't work is with a sidecar. If you're
getting
> around turns any other way, you're violating the laws of physics.

I think she was referring to the instability seen on shafts when
cornering because of their tendency to lift the ass end when you put
them under power. I had to think about it because I went from chain
to BMW paralever and there is hardly a difference in that respect.

if she's not, then flame away, but find out what drugs she's on first :-)

--
Joe Senner                                          joe@zx11.cactus.org
Tandem Computers Inc.                               joe@mpd.tandem.com
From: kevinm@pogo.wv.tek.com (Kevin Mills)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: AMA Progressive Insurance Rip-Off
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:22:12 GMT
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.

In article <jcn.713568008@helix> jcn@rice.edu (Jeff C. Nichols) writes:
>
>So I stuck with Dairyland, who after only one year gives me a discount 
>for being a "preferred" rider or some such designation, and I only have 
>to pay $272/year for comp and liability.

I'm curious...I just bought my CBR600F2 and I'm paying $204 a year for
comp, coll, liab, and uninsured motorist (basically full coverage sans 
medical).  And that rate is going to drop to about $135 a year next
January when my final ticket falls off my record.  Now I'm 25 as well
and this seems like a very reasonable rate.  This is through State
Farm, and the reason it is so low is that I also insure my cage through
them.  It turns out that full coverage for both vehicles costs me less
than it would for the bike alone.  State Farm will not insure bikes
unless you insure a car as well.  I guess they are insuring my bike
as a secondary vehicle, which is kind of wierd since my truck
currently does not have an engine in it.  The bike is two months
old today and has 5,000 miles on it.

My question is: Do those of you who are also getting low rates have
cars insured with the same company?  I know you probably don't want
to admit to owning a vehicle but for some of us (who like to get up
onto the mountains in winter) a cage becomes a necessary part of life.

Now my poor roommate is the opposite case.  He really got shafted
when he bought his GSX600F Katana.  He was originally going to get
an F2 too, but he was quoted something like $3000/yr.  So he 
began quoting lesser expensive bikes.  The insurance company quoted
him $900/yr for the Katana so he bought it.  Three weeks later he
gets a letter from the insurance agent saying the quote was in
error and the actual rate was again about $3000.  He cancelled and
they refunded his money.  he went else where but couldn't get for
less than $2500 so he's stuck with totally out of control insurance
rates.  But then he's in that demographic group (20 years old).