From: marek@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Marek Lugowski)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.poems
Subject: Re: Blistering Flame: Response from the Author / Marek
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:46:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Nov11.224649.8834
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.

v131p9t3@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Ninstar Cybermage - Back Again from the
Mists!), an obviously silly person to judge from the name, who nonetheless
writes solemnly (the funniest combination):

>That's nice, but he isn't required to be universal.  His poem is about
>a speaker, and possibly himself, but not about the universe.

Which is why it gives me such pleasure to massively tear into this
blithering idiot of a speaker, and a garbage of a poem, liable to corrupt
our young ones (esp. daughters) and to do so with just enough stealth humor
and self-mocking to escape your detection and trigger you immune-defficient
cultural and moral outrage. :) <-- for you, the humor challenged.

>I don't think so.  I agree with his statement about hugging and holding and
>most people that I've talked to on the subject feel the same way.  There is
>a big difference between when I give my friends a hug before and after a 
>party/D&D game/visit/lunch/whatever and when I sit on the couch holding my
>wife for a good hour or so while we talk, watch TV, confuse our daughter,
>etc.

Yeah, me too.  Reminds me of tearing Kevin Barbie Dolls limb by limb and 
sticking them into the dog.  Or the time our barber quartet gets together
for stag movies and belching.  You are right, hugging on the couch, be
it the dog, the guys, or the little woman, is different...

>As my comment above.  Caressing stroking and fondling are for another occasion
>as well.  (definitely not in front of my daughter 8-)  )
>

Definitely not.  Fondling should be performed only on television or in
rented porn flicks.  If I had my own daughter, I would only fondle at front
of her on Memorial Day and Veterans Day, and only before 6 pm, after
hanging out the flag.  As it is, I deal exclusively with other person's
daughters and these restrictions do not apply.  We fondle round the clock,
in sync with the more vigilant pharmacies, for a good reason.

>Right, well I halfway agree with him.  His comments were indicative of an
>exploitive person whose ideas about love are very different from those of
>people who are, say, happily married or at least in a good relationship.
>Even if he isn't that sort, he gave the impression of being one who cares
>only about a persons body and believes everyone else is the same. He certainly
>has no right to call the author a liar about anything he says in his poem.
>He's not required to be true, and based on Marek's comments I see no reason
>that he should be qualified to judge the truth of anyone's works anyway.

There is no truth.  There is no God.  The Tao is Silent.  Null sets are
very easy to identify, even if you did not study set theory with Raymond
Smullyan.  (Okay, okay, so I only got an A-).  Thus, you see no reason,
for reason escapes you.  Let's not even talk about nuances.

>Mind you, I don't think this relegates him to writing poems about salads, but
>to me his comments seemed rude, malicious, unconstructive, and highly
>offensive.  If he wants to be that way then he can save it for his poetry.
>He has no right to address others in this fashion.

I'm genuinely sorry you don't like me. :( Perhaps if I lived in Buffalo I too
would call myself Ninstar Cybermage to escape the painful realities of not
living in Toronto.  I feel for you. Hope the Bills win something this
season and may you have fun playing silly role-model games with the
youngest of them.  In fact, you of all people should allow me the grace
of playing theatre for laughs and insults.  As Mary Anne says, we all get
what we deserve.  Thursday is Prince Spaghetti Insult day for you.  Enjoy!

>James Shank           	#		v131p9t3@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
>AKA: Ninstar Cybermage  #	or	shank@acsu.buffalo.edu
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Constructively yours,

				-- Marek

P.s.  This has been a poem.  BYO Lucinda Childs dance.