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Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST RFE/RL Daily Report 11 DEC, 1992 (excerpts)
Date: 11 Dec 1992 12:04:30 -0600
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DEVELOPMENTS IN HUNGARIAN "MEDIA WAR." Hungary's chief prosecutor
banned Elemer Hankiss, head of Hungarian TV, from entering his
office, Hungarian Radio reported on 10 December.  Hankiss was
suspended by the government a day earlier on charges of financial
mismanagement. The government also announced that Finance Minister
Mihaly Kupa, Labor Minister Gyula Kiss, and Minister without
Portfolio Tibor Fuzessy will be the members of the investigating
committee charged to rule on Hankiss's case. In addition, two high
ranking television executives were also charged with fiduciary
misconduct. Hankiss has requested a hearing with President Arpad
Goncz, whom Hankiss considers his only employer.  (Karoly
Okolicsanyi, RFE/RL, Inc.)

HUNGARIAN SOCIALIST PARTY PROPOSES CONFERENCE.  The Hungarian
Socialist Party (HSP) is proposing a conference to find ways to
stabilize the country, MTI reported on 10 December. The suggestion
was enclosed in a letter written by HSP Chairman Gyula Horn to the
leaders of the other five parliamentary parties.  Horn said the
conference is needed because of the bad atmosphere in the country,
increasing tensions, and the growing impatience of the population
with political infighting.  Specifically, five major topics were
suggested: economic policy, unemployment, protection of the poor,
law and order, and the protection of Hungarian minorities in
neighboring countries.  (Karoly Okolicsanyi, RFE/RL, Inc.)

HUNGARIAN DEMOCRATIC FORUM OFFICIAL VISITS US.  Sandor Lezsak, one
of the six vice presidents of the ruling HDF, paid a two-day visit
to Washington, MTI reported on 10 December.  He was invited by the
Democratic Leadership Council. Lezsak met congressional leaders
and was a dinner guest of Sen.  Joseph Lieberman and main
Democratic fund raisers. Lezsak also met Vice President-elect Al
Gore and was introduced to President-elect Bill Clinton.  (Karoly
Okolicsanyi, RFE/RL, Inc.)

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From: "peter pfeifer" <peter.pfeifer@canrem.com>
Subject: a survey on hungarian rev
Reply-To: "peter pfeifer" <peter.pfeifer@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:06:04 EST


Hi Olivier,
do you know how I could receive these reports from HIRMONDO on a regular
basis?
Thank you for your help
Peter
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From: lmdmw@ludvig.ericsson.se (LMD/T/TJ Michael von Wowern)
Subject: Re: AGORA-SCMPOST Non - IndoEuropean languages
Reply-To: lmdmw@ludvig.ericsson.se
Organization: L.M. Ericsson A/S
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 09:26:30 GMT

I think danish is a candidate for the most difficult language in Europe.  I was born
and raised in denmark, but still I don`t think of myself as a good danish speaker.
The grammar is characterized by more exeptions than rules, making it hard for
non-danes to learn the language.  F.ex.  non-danes living in denmark 20+ years
can still be spotted by their incorrect grammar.
Apart from that I have been told by nummerous hungarians, that hungarian is
difficult and quite hard to learn.  Now that I have signed a contract to work in
hungary for 2 years starting jan. 1993, I could conduct my own investigation:
If I can learn to speak hungarian within to years, then danish should be harder
than hungarian or ??
Many have warned me, that I am taking on an impossible task, but I think that, when
you are living in a contry for some time, you have to at least try to learn the lingo,
at least out of respect for the culture you are immersing yourself in. I know I would
expect that, of anybody living 2 years in denmark. 

                                                  all the best                                      
                                                    Michael

Disclaimer:  all opinions expressed in the above, are mine, not Ericsson's.
From: KADAR@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST Non - IndoEuropean languages in Europe
Date: 15 Dec 1992 19:01:45 -0600
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I picked up the following bits of a thread on soc.culture.europe; sorry but 
don't have time to edit it nicely now ;-)           /       Zoli fekete@bc.edu
From: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe
Subject: Re: Non - IndoEuropean la
Date: 9 Dec 92 09:20:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Travel Online / St. Louis Online - St. Louis, MO
Reply-To: carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 

RFF>Subject: Re: Non - IndoEuropean languages in Europe

Katalan in Spain
Gaelic
Finnish/Hungarian
Walsh
Bavarian (just kiddin')

greetinx, Carl.

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Mer lasse den Dom in Koelle...
                                                              
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From: luciano@athos.Berkeley.EDU (Luciano Lavagno)
Subject: Re: Non - IndoEuropean la
Reply-To: luciano@athos.Berkeley.EDU (Luciano Lavagno)
Organization: UC Berkeley IC CAD Group
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 02:21:17 GMT

In article <5319.173.uupcb@travel.com>, carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
writes:
>RFF>Subject: Re: Non - IndoEuropean languages in Europe
>
>Katalan in Spain
>Gaelic
>Finnish/Hungarian
>Walsh
Catalan, Gaelic and Welsh are all indoeuropean, as far as I know.
Basque and Finnish/Hungarian are not indoeuropean.                            
Luciano
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Dept. of EECS, 207-69 Cory Hall, Univ. of California, Berkeley, CA 94720, USA
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From: warrenc@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Cherie Warren)
Subject: Re: Non - IndoEuropean la
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 19:14:32 GMT

luciano@athos.Berkeley.EDU (Luciano Lavagno) writes:
>In article <5319.173.uupcb@travel.com>, carl.camurca@travel.com (Carl Camurca) 
>writes:
>>RFF>Subject: Re: Non - IndoEuropean languages in Europe
>>
>>Katalan in Spain
>>Gaelic
>>Finnish/Hungarian
>>Walsh
>Catalan, Gaelic and Welsh are all indoeuropean, as far as I know.
>Basque and Finnish/Hungarian are not indoeuropean.                            

Catalan is one of the Romance languages, derived from Latin.  Gaelic and
Welsh are Celtic in origin.  Thus, these three languages are all Indo-
European.

Finnish, Estonian, Lapp, and Hungarian are all Finno-Ugric languages,
with Hungarian (Magyar) being a somewhat separate branch - it split off
from the other three well over a thousand years ago.

Basque's origins are unknown - it goes back a long way indeed.  Some
suggest ancient languages like Sumerian or Babylonian.

On Malta, when they aren't speaking English or Italian, the Maltese
language is related to Arabic, and thus not Indo-European.
-- 
Cherie
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.nordic
From: warrenc@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Cherie Warren)
Subject: Re: Non - IndoEuropean la
Organization: Boeing Computer Services
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:40:46 GMT

junikka@schaefer.math.wisc.edu (Jari Junikka) writes:

>warrenc@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Cherie Warren) writes in
>the discussion about non-indoeuropean languages:

>>Finnish, Estonian, Lapp, and Hungarian are all Finno-Ugric languages,
>>with Hungarian (Magyar) being a somewhat separate branch - it split off
>>from the other three well over a thousand years ago.

>I thought that Lappish (saami) is not Finno-Ugric.
>Or maybe I am just getting this idea from the fact that it's origins
>are not well known.

You may be right, although a reference I saw suggested that Lappish
was more likely to belong to this group than any others.  The point
still stands: it is a non-Indo-European language, spoken on one of the
farther reaches of the European Continent.  Along with the three
above-mentioned Finno-Ugric tongues, Basque/Euskadi, and the Arabic-
related Maltese language, the rest of Europe's tongues have all been
shown to be Indo-European.  Some of these conclusions are quite recent;
the Albanian (Shqiptyr) language was finally accepted as Indo-European
not long before the end of the 19th century.

To start another thread: what European (Indo- or not) language is
considered most difficult?  Russian, Czech, and Slovak vie for the top
honors, but other languages have their intricacies.
-- 
Cherie
warrenc@bcstec.ca.boeing.com
....!uunet!bcstec!warrenc
From: KADAR@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: AGORA-SCMPOST RFE/RL Daily Report 14 DEC, 1992 (excerpts)
Date: 14 Dec 1992 08:51:31 -0600
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HUNGARIAN TV MANAGERS INVESTIGATED.  The investigation into the
financial affairs of Hungarian TV will continue on 14 December.
According to an MTI report on 11 December, the National Police
Headquarters has started investigations against TV director Gabor
Banyai and financial manager Laszlo Nagy on charges of financial
misconduct filed against them by Justice Minister Istvan Balsai.
The two have been called to appear at police headquarters on 14
December and their TV identity cards have been withdrawn. Suspended
TV President Elemer Hankiss told reporters that he will respect the
orders of the chief prosecutor banning him from entering the
building as long as his deputy Gabor Nahlik does not try to
implement major changes during the investigation of Hankiss. On 12
December, in an interview on Hungarian TV Prime Minister Antall
denied that the flurry of investigations means that he is
succumbing to pressures from contrversial author and former vice
chairman of the Hungarian Democratic Forum Istvan Csurka.  (Judith
Pataki, RFE/RL, Inc.)
 
CSCE TO INVESTIGATE HUNGARIAN MINORITY PROBLEM?  On 12 December the
Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe approved the
appointment of former Dutch foreign minister Hans Van der Stoel as
the first High Commissioner for Minority Issues, an RFE/RL
correspondent reports. Hungarian diplomats at the Stockholm CSCE
conference said Van der Stoel may be asked to investigate the
problem of the ethnic Hungarian minority in Cluj, where Romanian
nationalist mayor Gheorghe Funar and ethnic Hungarian groups have
recently been at odds.  (Michael Shafir, RFE/RL, Inc.)
 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
From: "peter pfeifer" <peter.pfeifer@canrem.com>
Subject: the swedenfinns seek offi
Reply-To: "peter pfeifer" <peter.pfeifer@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: soc
Date: 20 Dec 92 23:06:04 EST

Hi Jarmo,
I hope you will keep us, Hungarians uptodate on this matter.
I wish you good luck in your battle for minority rights for Finns in
Sweden.
Merry Christmas
Peter
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
Organization: University of Maryland at Baltimore
Date: Friday, 18 Dec 1992 11:22:03 EST
From: <KFALAVAR@UMAB.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.magyar
Subject: Re: How do you say.....
 <1992Dec15.172150.9943@cunews.carleton.ca>

Well,Thankyou.

                Everyone else!!!
From: dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: frog in montreal
Date: 14 Dec 92 01:00:31 GMT
Organization: Pacific ESI, Sydney, AUSTRALIA
X-Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?"
X-Witty-Saying: "Mobius strip - see other side for instructions"

In article <ByszDq.ADn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
    dcartled@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Knees) writes:

| Australia does have an official dictionary, the Macquarie, which is
| internationally renowned as being one of the stupidest dictionaries
| ever.  The last word in the thing is "Zzzz"  as in the sound someone
| makes while sleeping.  Really stupid.

Why does that make it stupid?

-- 
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)         VK2KFU @ VK2RWI.NSW.AUS.OC
dave@esi.COM.AU                ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: barth@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (barth.richards)
Subject: Re: Visiting Australia, lots of questions!!
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 22:51:26 GMT


In article <2519@eram.esi.COM.AU> dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:

>In article <1992Dec17.120853.6717@devvax.mincom.oz.au>,
>    anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham) writes:
>
>| REAL AUSTRALIANS DONT TIP.
>
>However, they do round up :-)  If a taxi fare costs me say $18-50, I'll
>hand over $20 and say "Keep the change, mate."  Who wants a pocket full
>of coins?

Especially Australian coins--those things are big.  For other
non-Australians, the Oz 20 cent coin is almost as big as the old US half
dollar, and the 50 cent coin is a multi-sided thing that is almost as big
as the old US dollar coin (not the quarter-like Susan B. Anthony
dollar--I mean the big things with Ike's portrait or a liberty-head-like
portrait on them).  Once you get a few bucks worth of Australian change in
your pocket, you tend to develop a limp!  :-)

-- 
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88  Barth Richards                  "Language is a virus from outer space."  88
88  att!ihlpf!barth                           - William S. Burroughs         88
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: phone and credit cards
From: s342046@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au
Date: 15 Dec 92 12:33:38 GMT
 <1992Dec4.155810.6950@inel.gov> <chris.723898860@suite.sw.oz.au>

In article <chris.723898860@suite.sw.oz.au>, chris@suite.sw.oz.au (Chris Maltby) writes:
> 
> Phone cards are another story. Telecom make a thing called a Telecard
> (for subscribers only) which you can now use to make calls from public
> phones. You dial 1818 and then key stuff in response to the prompts.
> It takes a lot longer for an experienced person to get through all this
> that does a US calling card. I think that you _still_ can't use your
> telecard in a credit card phone.
> 
> 

I have on of those Telecom 'Telecards'. In my experience you don't actually
have to wait for the voice prompt to finish. At the start of each prompt
there are a couple of soft pips - you can start dialling digits as soon
as you hear those pips. This makes it a lot quicker to use.

Yes you can use the card in credit card phones in Oz, apparently you
swipe the card thru then dial your pin number.

-- 
Jane Anna Langley			|snail-mail: 	105 Osborne Street
s342046@emu.insted.unimelb.edu.au	|		South Yarra
University of Melbourne			|		Victoria 3141, AUSTRALIA
Melbourne, Australia.			|	+613/03	820 3629

The follies of the rich pass for the sayings of wise men...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: rmontgom@abacus.bates.edu (Robert Montgomery)
Subject: Power plugs
  I realize that this most likely does not fall under the charter of the
  I'm making a trip to Australia in a couple of days, and I have some
  If anyone knows, please PLEASE mail me. It would make my life alot easier
             Peace, love and beer,
                             Rob
Organization: Bates College, Lewiston, Maine
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 00:44:10 GMT
Originator: rmontgom@abacus.bates.edu

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From: olney@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Paul Olney)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: Re: National Debt
Date: 14 Dec 1992 07:58:55 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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olney@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Paul Olney) writes:
>	an foreign debt has been denominated in $Oz. further it is
>current practise to hedge against exchange rate risk. Hence, while a
>devaluation of the  the effect is minimal.
The phantom line eater has punished me for not leaving a sacrifice. This
should have been:
	(iv) This is in response to potential followup comments.
Recently about %60 of Australian foreign debt has been denominated in
$Oz. However it is standard practise to hedge against exchange risk.
Hence, while a devaluation of the $Oz increases the $Oz value of Australian
foreign debt this is counterposed by hedging and thus the effect of a
devaluation on Australian foreign debt is minimal

Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
From: drizzt@spock.uucp (Neela Jacques)
Subject: Re: Sidney (sic)
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 17:00:17 GMT

>There must be a place in the U.S. spelled 'Sidney', right?
>Near New Iork maybe?
 You're close it's actualy near noo york!!!



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From: harsant@headplant.trl.OZ.AU (Dave Harsant)
Subject: Re: Visiting Australia, lots of questions!!
Organization: Telecom Research Labs. Melbourne, Vic, Australia
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 07:47:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.120853.6717@devvax.mincom.oz.au> anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham) writes:
>The problem is that we don't want to get to the state the US and Europe are
>in where not tipping is major crime. Waiters here are not employed on the
>basis that they will get tips to make up a decent wage, as is the case in
>the US.

Yes, this is the crux of the matter - waiters, barpeople etc get
reasonable wages, so in general don't rely on tips to survive.  Tipping
is still done, usually only in a restaurant or taxi, and usually no
more than 10%, and only if the service was good, or you are feeling
generous.  As Isaac said, it is more like rounding up a little.  It may
be hoped for, but certainly not expected or demanded as can happen in
New York.

-- 
Dave Harsant, Telecom Australia Research Laboratories  |  d.harsant@trl.oz.au
From: t91460ny@sfc.keio.ac.jp (Naoto Yagasaki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.australian
Subject: School Uniform
Date: 12 Dec 92 07:53:22 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus.


 Hello!! I'm a student of Keio University Shonan Fujisawa Campus in Japan. 

I belong to faculty of Environmental Information. 

 I'm searching into School Uniform for English class. In Japan almost all 

the junior high school students are forced to wear school uniforms and 

many high school students are forced to wear school uniform.

 I want to know whether students are forced to wear school uniform 

in Australia or not, and I want to know whether you think students should wear 

school uniform or not and that reason. Please send your idea to me.

 My adress is t91460ny@sfc.keio.ac.jp
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From: yootenai@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tim Millikan)
Subject: Change to Republic
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:44:11 GMT

There has been for some time a running debate on the merits of removing
the Royal aspects from the political make-up of Australia.  While there
are I believe justified arguments to either side of the discussion, there
are other factors that must be considered.

Australia, like many other countries at this point in time, is suffering
from an economic climate that is less than friendly.  Unemployment is
high, (except in Canberra I understand) and morale is low.  While the
Government may have given heat to this debate to get peoples minds of the
problems surrounding them, I think there intention was to draw fire from
their own problems rather than to aid the suffering.  The cause certainly
has done wonders for the Flag industry!!  

What people tend to forget is the very real cost of change.  Recently The
MMBW (Melbourne Metropolitan Board of Works) changed its name to Melbourne
Water.  The Road Traffic Authority Changed its name to Vic Roads.  These
changes are very expensive.  Letterhead, signs, documents all must be
changes to bear the new name and sign of the company involved.  

The Royal crest appears in many different places, like post-boxes, post
offices, all the legal statutes.  Are we to change all of these?  Can we
afford to change all of these at this point in time?  Surely there are
better things for all Australians to be spending their energy on than the
question of Australia becoming a republic.  We are in a real mess at the
moment.  The Unions are up in arms over workers being retrenched,
including a team of cleaners who clean a five-floor hospital wing every
day, seven days a week, that is yet to see a single patient.  Lets get our
country moving first before we start worrying about what many people
people term an irrelevance.

Tim

-- 
*--*
Tim Millikan
yootenai@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
From: john7552@mach1.wlu.ca (Niall Johnson u)
Subject: Re: frog in montreal
Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:48:32 GMT

In article <BzEpJL.CBL@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> cbs@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Chris Syed) writes:
>In article <24427@alice.att.com> andrew@alice.att.com (Andrew Hume) writes:
>>In article <2346@eram.esi.COM.AU>, dave@eram.esi.COM.AU (Dave Horsfall) writes:
>>> In article <ByszDq.ADn@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
>>>     dcartled@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Knees) writes:
>>> 
>>> | Australia does have an official dictionary, the Macquarie, which is
>>> | internationally renowned as being one of the stupidest dictionaries
>>> | ever. 
>>
>>	i am baffled by this estimation.
>
>    Me too. The Macquarie is a real work of scholarship, and unfortunately,,
>    it seems to be out of print.

Are you sure?
When I was last in Sydney you could obtain almost all versions.
The university maintains the Dictionary - the staff remain at the
university. Thus one would expect editions to be available and future
edition to become available.

The Macquarie comes in various editions - ranging from small pocket sized
versions to the rather substantial 'full' bound versions.
In my estimation it is a rather good dictionary, not quite an OED but still
quite good. Furthermore, in  most Australian government organisations and
corporations is it the official arbiter in terms of spelling. I know this to
be true as I have worked as a technical writer for some time in Australian
companies and government instrumentalities.

BTW, I also did some of my studies at Macquarie. :-)

--
Ciao

Niall Johnson,
Dept. of Geography,
Wilfrid Laurier University.
     john7552@mach1.wlu.ca
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