From: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
Subject: Re: J Price answers questions
Originator: jjprice@c00067-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Distribution:  world
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:02:57 GMT


 lalford@fsu1.cc.fsu.edu (LYNN ALFORD) writes:

|>In article <1992Nov9.165434.20916@ncsu.edu>, jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes...
|>> 
|>>In article <19242.2afd6c4e@levels.unisa.edu.au>, 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Eidolon) writes:
|>>(all previous arguments deleted to save space and actualy answer a question)
|>>|>In article <1992Nov3.210902.3556@ncsu.edu>,
|>>|>jjprice@eos.ncsu.edu (JEFFREY JAMES PRICE) writes:
|>> 
|>>|>So, it's OK to kill unwanted puppies but not unwanted fetus's just
|>>|>because a dog isn't a human? Are you implying that humans are in some
|>>|>absolute way that humans are superior to all other animals?
|>
|>>I don't think it is OK to kill any animal (insects excluded) but one thing I 
|>>have noticed is that talking to someone and you talk to them about getting
|>>a little puppy put to sleep will elicit more of an emotional response then
|>>talking about abortion. Is a puppy any more important than a baby.
|>
|>Not that this is in any way truly related to abortion, but do you think 
|>this is the excuse so many people use when they just abandon their cat or 
|>dog by the roadside?  That it is too cruel to put them to sleep?  In which 
Yes I do.
|>case, they are ignoring entirely the fact that they are most likely 
|>exchanging a quick painless death for one of slow starvation.  Or perhaps 
|>the animal does learn to hunt, creating even more havoc among the native 
|>wildlife whch is having a difficult time because of loss of habitat.
|>
|>By the way, who is killing babies?  Abortion removes a fetus, which may be 
|>alive, but isn't the same as a baby.
Anyone who has an abortion kills a baby.(where did I mention killing babies but
I answered the question.

Have you ever heard a pregnant woman mention that her fetus is kicking or when
she talks about her pregnancy how many times does she say fetus instead of
baby? What is the difference between a fetus and baby?

|>
|>>|>Time and time again you do not answer the question:
|>>|>
|>>|>A woman has taken EVERY precaution she can, condom, spermicide, pill,
|>>|>the works. She has indicated from the very start that she does NOT
|>>|>want that pregnancy. By some cruel twist of fate, she gets pregnant.
|>>|>
|>>|>Should she or should she not get an abortion?
|>>|>
|>>She should not! She indicated from the very start that she knows sex can
|>>result in a pregnancy and that she has thought of this. She should have
|>>thought about that small case in which she did get pregnant. She should be
|>>prepared to deal with the child.
|>
|>Ok, Jeff, let's get down to cases.  I had a friend who is married.  She was 
|>on the Pill, because she didn't want to be pregnant.  Now you say that if 
|>this married woman, had sex with her husband, then she must bring any 
|>pregnancy to term?

YESSSSS!!!!!! (sorry fo caps)
|>
|>Well, there is a small problem in this case.  This person is trying to 
|>avoid children for good reason.  She was on several medications for major 
|>allergies and for chronic depression.  Now, before getting pregnant, she 
|>should be off these drugs for a couple of months, to avoid any potential 
|>fetal damage (read possible minor to major birth defects.)  If she did get 
|>pregnant due to birth control failure, she was going to have an abortion, 
|>because it was very unlikely that she would have a healthy baby.
|>
She knew there was a chance and she took and messed up PAY THE PRICE !!!
It was unlikely she would get pregnant but she did it is unlikely she 
will have a healthy baby but she might.
Please quit spouting minority cases at me I can think of exceptions all day
long but lets deal with the majority.

|>Now, would you force this woman to continue an unplanned pregnancy? 
Yes.. 
|>Knowing that it was very likely that any baby would have some sort of birth 
|>defect due to medication the mother was taking?

Is There a question mark here for a reason.
|>
|>(note, this example is in present and past tense because I haven't spoken 
|>to this person in some time.  Things in past tense may have changed by 
|>now.)
|>
|>>|>Answer the question: What if she is forced to change her mind because
|>>|>of reasons not under her control?
|>>|>
|>>Have the baby because she purposely brought it into the world
|>
|>People using birth control are *not* purposely bringing any offspring into 
|>the world.  They are trying to avoid offspring.  Why force them to have 
|>children they aren't prepared for?
I answered your question jbut I will answer a quetion about my reply I don't
understand

|>
|>Lynn
|>  _____      The Darwin fish
|>\/    o\
|>/\_____/
|>  bb bb
|>I had an opinion just a moment ago.  Now where did I put it?
Who knows? but try looking in Space..oops I mean your head its the same thing.
|>
OK I answered all the questions (somewhat rudely) but I answered them.
I am getting bogged down in school ocassionally I will pop in and give my
2cents worth.

-- 
-Jeffrey Price
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