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From: kiser@ifi.unizh.ch (Markus Kiser)
Subject: Re: eating at Furr's
Keywords: i wouldn't dare
Organization: University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 10:34:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.054747.13386@wam.umd.edu> jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:

>I mention only in passing how delighted I was to find
>[on 2 out of 3 flights] that beards among the [yes,
>male] flight attendants [who were there mainly for my
>safety, but deigned to serve complimentary beverages]
>are apparently in fashion.  One, I might add, was a
>certifiable bear of mature stature.

And I always thought Delta was a good airline. In fact, I still think
they are, but on my many flights of my trip to the States there were
very, very few male flight attendants. And none of the two or three I
had seen i found even remotely interesting to look at. (Well, there
were a few attractive pilots, however.)

Now which airline is better than Delta? (You know, they love to fly
and it shows. But that seems to be it.)

--markus


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: Re: Forty years a queen
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 14:38:26 GMT

In article <regnant@vadier.gr.osf.org> emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:

>"Tu veux me prendre a la Sainte Chapelle?" 


Yes.

Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Beyond GAY and LESBIAN
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 12:17:06 GMT


In article <1992Aug29.061902.16793@nwnexus.WA.COM>
elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:

>Someone was
>talking about a trick they had brought home, and in a sudden moment of
>passion the trick, who was on bottom, shouted "Fuck my pussy, Daddy!"
>And the calm reply was "I ain't your daddy, and that ain't no pussy."

>   I don't think Bob would understand.

Either that or he would; maybe the trick was him.

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From: mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: *Welcome* to Cabal Talk
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:19:34 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:


>I think the script was *great*, much better than your
>average dinnerware.  Are you *sure* you haven't been taking
>night classes at the AArneson College of Camp, sometimes of
>West Hollywood, but usually all over the lot?

>If you insist upon changing the name, would you object
>awfully to Grand Babar?  That's more fun.

>However, the cabal (remember it doesn't exist) would
>*indeed* be doing sexual things, some of its most
>illustrious members in virtual Broad Daylight, certainly not
>behind closed doors, according to taped reports.

This is not *fair* darling.  How am I supposed to gnash my teeth and
snarl at you when you say such things?  Let's see...  Let's see..

A-ha!  A-ha!  'Broad' Daylight?  'Broad?'  Why, darling, your misogyny
is showing...

Melmac the Unmentionable
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From: Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Re: PNW (Seattle) mini-con straw poll
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 20:49:06 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na

George V. Reilly writes:
>Two weekends seem to be good, one in September, one in October.
>
> 1. The weekend of September 19th and 20th.  The NWAF

I don't know how much overlap of interest there would be,
but this conflicts with the Folsom Street Fair in San Francisco,
which is on September 20.
 
() Only a monomaniac gets what we commonly refer to as
() results.
()      -- Einstein
-----
[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> furr@cup.portal.com <]
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: eating at Furr's
Date: 3 Sep 1992 10:04:27 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu
Keywords: i wouldn't dare

I thought this was going to be about *Furr's* and their
yummy-scrumptious, diabetic-shock-inducing Millionaire Pie.
But no, it's about beards.

In article <1992Sep3.161855.3238@spdcc.com> 
urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell) writes:

[...]
> and he's absolutely gorgeous with a beard.        
> 
> Well, who isn't?  <ahem>

<Raises hand>

With a beard, I'm a shlub.  Clean-shaven, I'm a shlub.  
But with my moustache, I'm an Arabian nights fantasy
come to life (glinting teeth, cruel sneer, flared 
nostrils).

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: mdrayton@sr.hp.com (Mike Drayton)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara Division
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 18:07:29 GMT

Laura Creighton (laura@hoptoad.uucp) wrote:
 
> Oh Bob, you must be much younger than I.  The idea that these issues can
> be talked about at all is indication of immense progress.   When I was
> born these things could never, ever, be discussed at all.
----------
Thanks to Laura for bringing this into the discussion.  When people on
motss begin complaining about drag queens, butch, hairy men in totally
revealing leather, or whatever their personal nightmares may be,
someone else usually reminds us that the resistance at the Stonewall
Inn was carried out by a group of drag queens who were tired of being
raided, arrested, and beaten.  Somehow this doesn't seem to impress
the people taking the assimilationist position.

It's important to be reminded that for us to simply be able to engage
in this discussion, often from our workplaces, without being in fear of
losing our jobs [perhaps not all of us are completely free of this
fear], is by itself immense progress, and could not have come about 
without those early efforts, which took place before many of us on
soc.motss were born.

These days I remember more and more often, that when I first came to 
California in 1973 gay sex was still punishable by law.  I have seen
newspapers from not much earlier showing police raids on gay bars in
San Francisco.  It's amazing how much has changed in that short time.

Still, in other states and countries the laws have not changed yet,
police still don't protect us equally, and violent expression of 
individual hatred is still OK to varying degrees everywhere.

I think everyone's visible presence is essential.  "We are everywhere"
is still my motto.

Mike Drayton (hoping to see "Before Stonewall" soon)
mdrayton@sr.hp.com
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: How evil are the Republicans?
Date: 26 Aug 1992 11:50:15 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug26.180821.16559@spdcc.com> 
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:

> Anyone who thinks that misogyny isn't rife and flourishing in the
> gay male community need only read motss in the past few weeks.
> It's nauseating.

It is nauseating, but I would like to point out that misogyny
isn't rife and flourishing *throughout* the gay male community.
It's relatively localized these days, at least among those people
I come into contact with.

Arne
From: michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: British spellings
Date: 1 Sep 92 09:19:03 GMT
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Sep1.070241.6928@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>The astute reader might have noticed that I use a weird mix of British
>and American spellings. I've had people say it was sexy, and I've had
>people say it was pretentious.

Likewise, I *always* use the British spelling of "behaviour".  To me,
it just looks better!  [I guess "sexy" might be a way to describe it,
come to think of it...]  "Behavior" just looks bland, and for some
reason it doesn't appeal to me.  (In fact, I just now spelled it with
the "u" and had to go back and edit it, my habit is so strong!  :-)
I'll occassionally use "colour" or "favour", but usually only when I'm
purposely going for a bit of flair, or am in a wierd mood.

-- 
Michael Bryan        michael@resonex.com                     |     ,_,
Milk and Cheese in '92!!!                                    |    /oo \
"What the world needs now are some true words of wisdom,     |    <>__|
like 'La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la'."  -- Cracker           |    |  U|
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: manz@ee.ualberta.ca (Brett {Druid Queen} Manz)
Subject: Re: British spellings
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 02:19:23 GMT

In <1992Sep2.205636.2124@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:


>In article <2aa4f041@ThreeL.co.uk> jf@threel.co.uk (John
>Fisher) writes:

>>They therefore spell them *all* "-ize",
>>with the following exceptions, which *don't* come from
>>"-izein":

>>   advertise   advise  apprise  chastise   circumcise
>>   comprise    compromise   demise   despise  devise
>>   disfranchise  enfranchise  enterprise  excise  exercise
>>   improvise  incise  premise  revise  supervise  surmise
>>   surprise  televise

>>Lots of British and American people will tell you that
>>using z for all of them is an American-only usage, but this
>>is wrong.  To spell with a z is perfectly good British
>>spelling. 

>News to me.  I spell all those -ise, always have.  I think
>it would be distinctly odd to see them in -ize here, though
>you might see "surprize" about as often as you see
>"seperate" or "definately," the latter two of which I take
>to be just plain misspelled.


This from a man who so frequently uses the 
word `quote' as a noun. :-)

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Xref: sparky soc.motss:37424 soc.bi:11620
From: wlp@calmasd.Prime.COM (Walt  Peterson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,soc.bi
Subject: Call Pete Wilson
Keywords: Gov. Wilson, AB2601
Date: 28 Aug 92 20:53:30 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Distribution: na
Organization: Computervision, A Prime Company. San Diego R&D

The following are some of the numbers to call to urge Gov. Wilson to
sign AB2601

	Governor's office	(916)445-2841
	Chief of Staff		(916)445-5106
	Gov's Legislative Off.	(916)445-0658
	Los Angles Office	(213)897-0322
	San Francisco Office	(415)703-2218
	San Diego Office	(619)525-4641

I don't hold out much hope that Wilson will be more willing to
sign AB2601 than he was to sign AB101, but if he doesn't, let's
not let him use the excuse that nobody called to support it.


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From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Hissing sissies
Date: 1 Sep 92 06:58:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Sep1.065800.6625
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

>having hissy fits (or orgasms, whichever describes it best)

That's an interesting analogy, hissy fits to orgasms.

What the heck is a hissy fit, anyway? The only thing I can think of is
a temper tantrum, maybe with a lightly more high pitched screaming.

This is in contrast to "orgasm" I can imagine. The last particularly
vocal one I remember (I wonder if anyone else heard it?) was a very
loud hoarse sound from the throat, repeatedly. Quite marvelous,
really, completely subconscious.

Is this the analogy? When having a hissy fit, when having an orgasm -
both vocalizations that are completely uncontrolled?
-- 
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Insults
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:55:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Aug25.235505.9336
Distribution: na
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <4866@news.duke.edu> John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu writes:
>>What a *good* idea!  I can readily imagine getting a gander
>>at this self-nominated paragon of accomodation with the
>>enemy and thinking, "Butch?!?  Who *does* he think he's
>>kidding?!"  Those ones with the persecution complexes are
>>always the last to know.
>
>Enemy, who's the enemy.

Why is it that self-righteous Unitarians are so fucking literal minded?
Save your sermons for your Sunday school class, John.

What a maroon (as usual.)


-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: buckmr@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: OCA update: voter's pamphlet
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 21:44:46 GMT

markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey) writes:

>Yes, if you have $300 or 1000 signatures and your statement isn't fiction
>(for some definition of fiction), then you get your argument into the
>voters pamphlet.  I actually do have in front of me all of the arguments.
>There are 9 for and 55 against.  I will try to get them scanned in and
>then edited (the copies aren't too good and the fonts are sometimes weird
>as well as having hand written changes).  Once they are online, I will
>look at putting them into the QRD archive.
Cool. Just ftp to nifty.andrew.cmu.edu and place them in /pub/QRD/incoming.
Or you can email them to me and I can put them in the directory (probably qrd/
rights) myself.

-- 
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vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
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owns 91.7%. -- Source: Arthur B. Kennickell,_ Demographics & Household Savings_
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Date: 27 Aug 1992 17:51:59 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <vanyel.714957011@camelot> 
vanyel@camelot.bradley.edu (Alan Williams) writes:

> In <1992Aug27.224324.1405@tc.cornell.edu> 
> shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:

> >In article <1992Aug27.193239.13588@microsoft.com>, 
> >bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob "Billie Burke" Sarver) writes:

> >> What's the problem, Arne?  I thought you and the other "enlightened
> >> masters" of soc.motss were so open-minded. 

> >Hey, Boob, just because *you* live in a World Without Women
> >(how utterly masc.!) doesn't mean that the rest of us do.
> >What, pray tell, is open-minded about denying our existence?
> >Masc. men make me a happy homo!

> Whoah, Melinda!  I thought the whole "no female pronouns" thing applied to
> men referring to *each other* with said pronouns.

Yeah, well, that comes as no surprise.  Gay teens = males, right?

> Personally, I don't think referring to males as females--apparently on the
> basis of sexual orientation--is a healthy practice.  

Why?  Rather, what's *un*healthy about it? 

> While mere gender has
> many societal things tied up with it (IOW, what it "means" to be male or
> female), I think it's better to disarm the language by removing sexual
> orientation from the connotations the gender words.

I haven't any idea what that means.  First of all, gender has
nothing *but* societal things tied up with it.  But I don't
know what it would mean to remove sexual orientation from the 
connotations of gendered words (is that what you meant?), let
alone how one might do that.

> As I tell people who make "genderfuck" comments: My gender is male, thanks
> to certain elements of anatomy.  It doesn't have anything to do with my
> bedmates.

You know, you might want to find out what "genderfuck" means.

Arne

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer)
Subject: Re: Fingernail Polish (was Re: The Silent Majority (was: other stuff))
Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal.
	<g#bn#9c.jfh@netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:49:22 GMT

On Wed, 26 Aug 92 02:21:17 GMT, jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) said:

Jack> In article <1992Aug26.004948.11893@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com 
Jack> (Bob Donahue) writes:
>
>I mean
>we have so many things we could talk about instead, like which
>nail polish colours are going to be "in" this Fall! 

Jack> So, don't keep us in suspense!  What are they?  Black is passe, red is
Jack> boring, neon is too valley.  Maybe it's time for iridescents again. 

Pearlized jewel tones, of course.

The most important thing about fashion is talking the talk.

--
Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA
 "There's no kill like a guns kill." LCDR "Hoser" Satrapa, gunnery instructor
                       "A kill is a kill."  Anonymous
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane)
Subject: Re: "Smut"
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:25:57 GMT

richard@Apple.COM (a flying squirrel) writes:

>michaelh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Mike Hennahane) writes:
[re: carnival in rio]
>>i don't know about this, but i think i know a furry acorn eater in
>>pacifica who can loan you a copy.... or you can borrow mine, of
>>course. :-)

>Noisy, loudmouthed tart.  No more Chianti for *you*.

we'll just *see* about that, now, won't we. a threat like this is one
of the few things that i won't take take lying down (heh)... :-)

--mike

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Subject: Re: On accuracy and anderson
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 05:00:06 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Keywords: In error?  *moi*?

In article <1992Sep02.000529.12479@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob 
Sarver) writes:
>
>
>/(mattm)
>/And perhaps someone else had brought this to Mr. Anderson's attention
>/as well; I don't remember apologizing for the observation.
>
>Let me get this straight:  anderson claims that, in an private email 
>conversation with you, that you apologized to him for making this claim
>(this, in spite of him trying to flame me for quoting unsubstantiatable
>emails).
 
If you want to get permission from your private correspondents to post
their mail, with their names attached, you can substantiate your claims. 

>Now, however, you publicly state that you made no such apology.
>
>Does that make anderson a liar?

Not necessarily.  It could be that Matt apologized and doesn't remember
doing so, or said something that he didn't intend as an apology but that
Jess read that way, or that Matt is the one who is lying. 

Luckily, this question is easily resolved.  Matt can give Jess permission
to quote any private email that Jess feels is relevant, and Jess can do so,
and we can decide whether there was an apology.  


-- 

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From: mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Snaps
Date: 24 Aug 92 19:41:20 GMT
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.


In article <1992Aug22.015423.28797@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) wrote

> Dumb-fuck, if you're not quoting someone, you can edit off
> the citation line.  There wasn't a syllable by me in your
> posting.
> 

Did I get it right, this time?

 
> You have to be at least 33 to have voted (at age 21) for
> Reagan, as you mention doing in another posting.  That alone
> is underachievement on a monumental scale.  It isn't a
> generational failing, however, it's clearly a personal one.

[In article <1992Aug22.015423.28797@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu
(Jess Anderson) wrote]

> Dumb-fuck,

   I voted for Reagan in 1984 (he ran twice, didn't cha know?), at the age
of 18.
By simple math (which is all a little dumb-fuck like *moi* can manage),
subtracting
84 from 92 yields 8, which, when added to 18, yields my current age of 26. 
Which
makes me ten years younger than Mdme. Adolphson.

> >No hippie-yuppie conversion into stock-dealing lizards
> >bankrupting the nations economy as surely as it's 'social
> >institutions' with junk bonds and bank fiascos.
> 
> That's your man Reagan, you know.  The guy you voted for
> caused all that.  You, you're the yuppies, didn't you know?

Excuse me, darling, but Reagan - while fascilitating the yuppie explosion -
was not,
himself, one of them.  Yuppie, darling, was synonymous with
'thirty-something' (to
whit, I offer the television show by the same name).  The very word
'Yuppie' is
derived not only from 'Young Upwardly-Mobile Person' but from the fact that
it -
as a class - was composed of that generation known as 'hippie' in an
earlier
epoch of human evolution.

 
> I fervently hope you're not family.


I should think it most unlikely we're related.

Such a pity it had to be this dweeb who responded to my post in kind.  I
was so hoping 
Arne would do it.  I was looking forward to a good cat-fight. 


Matthew Melmon
Apple Computer, Inc.
If my opinions were Apple's, I'd be driving a shiny car
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Forty years a queen
Date: 1 Sep 92 01:13:33 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article thang <queue2@vadier.gr.osf.org>,
emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:
> I wrote:
> >>   the museum was counting on the sale of T-shirts with the inscription
> >>   "Queen for 40 years", but the authorities made them withdraw them
> >>   from sale, for fear that they would become the emblem of
> >>   quadragenarian queers!  _Shocking_!
> roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
> >The wording was "Forty years a queen."
> 
> Does this mean that you know more details of this bizarre case?  For
> instance, who were the authorities in question, and are they usually
> this stupid?

No, I'm afraid I may already have overstated my knowledge.
I can't even pinpoint a source for my conviction of the wording;
it's just an unsubstantiated memory.

My unattributable impression (if only Vincent were here:
it's his *job* to know things like this) was that
the exhibition as a whole was called "40 Years a Queen",
and the t-shirts were just part of the merchandising,
and that queens had indeed been lapping them up.

40 minutes a queen,
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*crib-biting* in horses, a vicious habit of biting the manger, etc.,
and swallowing air" -- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss