HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.satanism,alt.pagan
Subject: And now for a poem from my Sponsor
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 92 16:41:44 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

WHITE (Tara)              RED (Babalon)                 BLACK (Kali)
------------              -------------                 ------------

Virginal purity           Tenderly sensual              Quixotic tar
Potential power           Mother                          pretending presence
Snassis desire              of Abominations             Wisdom of age

Beckoning knowledge       Blood expurgation             Nurse and Vampire
Vulnerable thighs         Gorged                        Sword of release

Question incarnate        Ripe fertility                Breasts of reassurance
The Challenge             Shaktipat                     Morrigan Mystery
The Trap                                                Continual flux
                          Queen Harlot
Quicksand pleasure        Sacred Prostitute             Ultimate Ground
Neverending passion       Prophetess                      of Being

Swept up by the           Vulva Penetrate               Liberatrix
  wanton Void             Flower web activity           Suckle, fuck and bury

Death concealed           Beauty revealed               Eternity congealed

---------------------------------------------

Thyagi
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Aum Krim Namah Kali-Ma!
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Subject: READ THIS! New Castaneda group book!
Reply-To: Adam Lawrence Salter <adam@zooid.guild.org>
Organization: The Zoo of Ids
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 16:46:49 GMT



  Heyoo! There is a new book by someone from Castaneda and Don Juan's group!
It is from a woman named Taisha Abelar, there is an interview with her about
it in the Canadian Magazine, Dimensions (Vol. VII, No. 9, 1992). According to
her in this article, Don Juan's line has ended and "there are no more
apprentices, so to speak". She also says:

 "I would say, there is no next generation, in the traditional sense. So it 
has to be put out to whoever is out there. And like you say , yes, there are
thousands, maybe millions of people that are reading these things. Any one of
them could practise them and succeed in finding the way. And the reason I say
that is because you don't need a teacher. Being abstract, the way all of us
are in this last generation, we can see that all you need is like a minimal
chance, an idea."  

  It continues on along the same lines, describing recapitulation, etc.

  The book is called _The Sorcerer's Crossing_. Which brings me to my ulterior
motive, I have called a _The World's Biggest Bookstore_ here in Toronto,
Ontario (CANADA;->) and they said they got a bunch of hardcover copies in on
the 8th but they sold out and may not get more for 1-2 months. So, does anyone
here know anywhere that it is sold or available for order? If it's sold then
it would have to be in Ontario, obviously, for me to buy it.

  Other things some may find interesting, Florinda Donner, another in
Castaneda's group brought out a book in 1991 called "Being in Dreaming" that
has encounters with Don Juan, Castaneda, Genaro, etc.

  I don't know if I should just advertise this, but there are tape recordings
of an interview with Castaneda from 1968 available from an audio book company.
E-Mail me for details, if interested.

                                                           Adam Salter

adam@zooid.guild.org
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: chambers@hal.emba.uvm.edu (Christopher A Chambers)
Subject: Re: 2nd Merlin Tarot Workshop
Organization: University of Vermont, EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:59:37 GMT

Yes, please do post his suggestions for meditations on the cards.
I would be interested, and I am sure there must be others also.



-- 
   ####################################################################
   |        Christopher A. Chambers         | All that we can not see |
   |       (chambers@hal.emba.uvm.edu)      | we call invisible.      |
   |    Computer Science Graduate Student   |   -- The BUGGLES        |
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: rcormac@eniac.cs.oberlin.edu (Cormac (Xbattle -rcormac) Russell)
Subject: My View on Magick
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
Distribution: alt.magick
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:21:12 GMT
X-Posted-From: eniac.cs.oberlin.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Well, just thought I would post my view on magick, and recieve the obligatory 
flammage (flamage?). 
What is Magick?
   In my experience and thoughts (and I don't claim to represent anybody else
so this doesn't necessarily hold for you...), Magick is using your will to 
change reality. How? well, say you are sitting down and you stand up, congrat-
ulations, you have just accomplished some very basic Magick, converting your
will to be standing into actually being standing (yes I am deliberately start-
ing at the most mundane level of application, and yes, by this definition just
about everything a person does is Magick). More exciting levels come in when 
you start doing things like 'casting a spell'. This to me means going through
some 'ritual' (most often for me is closing my eyes and doing some visualiza-
tions, or perhaps chanting something rhythmic) with the intent of changing 
reality. What I think happens with this process is the ritual affects ones
subconscious, creating expectations and behaviours favorable to the fulfill-
ment of the goal of one's spell. Thus if you perform a ritual to do well on a
test, (which hopefully includes several properly planned rituals involving
your notes and textbooks... :) ) your subconscious gets primed with the idea
that you are going to do well on this test, thus when you actually do it, you
don't get a nasty panic state that negatively impacts your recall, you stay
calm, remember and answer well. If you cast a spell to gain something (a fri-
end, money, whatever) your subconscious is altered so that you are more likely
to recieve that (if you cast a spell to make a friend you are likely to feel
more confident, more outgoing and friendly, more interested in other people,
thus making it more likely that you will become friends with people you have 
contact with. If you cast a spell for money you will probably be more confident
in job interviews, and will have a mind set that will help you work towards
doing well at your job, impressing the people likely to give you money, etc.).
Also you can get more in touch with your subconscious which is far more per-
ceptive at reading other people's body positions, voice tones, etc. allowing
you to understand them better... Not mind-reading but the fact that people are
far more sensitive to each other than they normally give themselves credit for.

Ok, well that is just a start, I will happily explore any aspects of what I 
wrote above (which of course is just the surface of my views, not some all
encompassing whole) with anybody who is interested... :)

Blessed Be,
   Cormac
--
Retch The Grate aka Cormac Russell    Amiga, The Computer for The Creative Mind
                      rcormac@occs.cs.oberlin.edu           
Vote Libertarian in 92! Marrou/Lord!




Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy)
Subject: Re: Skeptics Make Better Magicians
Summary: Doubt is the Antichrist
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 15:09:15 GMT

In article <1aahd3INNfnp@stanley.cis.Brown.EDU> SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen) writes:
>"Skeptics make better magicians."  -- Starhawk, _Spiral Dance_, ch. 7!
>
>-- Robert
>
>(Robert Mathiesen, Brown University, SL500000@BROWNVM)

	The truth of this is quite remarkable. Therefore, I remark:
	I myself started out *very* sceptical about magick and the
"paranormal." You see, I'm a scientist by vocation, and I kept hearing
about ghosts and goblins and UFO's and I assumed that this whole thing
is mass paranoia. Most of the reason why I got into magick was to disprove
most of the stuff that was out there, and indeed I have. 90% of the books
one can find in an occult bookstore are garbage, crap, things designed
to make some fiend a lot of money from poor saps who have addictive
personalities. Then I picked up _Magick in Theory and Practise_, and found
that this was unlike other  books...instead of  a shake-and-bake system, I
found an intelligent, if highly prejudiced, work on human activity in general.
It seemed to tie in a lot with Taoism (my adopted religion/personal philosophy)
and with Joeseph Campbell's works on symbolism. After Crowley, I collected
other similar works, including _Real Magick_ by Issac Bonewitz and _Magick
Without Tears_ by Crowley, and it occured to me that "real" magick could
be a more "scientific" system which has a set of common rules, as opposed to
the shake-and-bake magick which I disproved (to myself; I now realize that
this stuff might actually work for some people to start them along their
path, although  such people are a pain in the ass for me to work with).
	AAAAaaanyway...
	So I have all these books, which make a lot of sense in that I can
apply these magickal principles to improve my life and allow me to accomplish
whatever I need to by compensating for the barriers to my goal...but I
didn't imagine that I could use these principles for what is considered "the
paranormal." 
	I then witnessed an act of magick which was irrefutably a
"paranormal" act. I won't go into detail about it here (if you want details
then please email me; sorry but I want  to  save bandwidth), but I checked
out the other possibilities as to how this could have happened and none of
them checked out. Thus, because I eliminated the other possibilities, the
only possible remaining explaination was an act of magick had caused it
to happen...specifically, an act of psychokinesis. This, to me, is 
irrefutable evidence that magick has "supernatural" properties. 
	Anyway, like the previous post says: skeptics are the best 
magicians. The reason why is because they have somehow eliminated all doubt,
or posibility of doubt, because they have irrefuable evidence that MAGICK
WORKS.

	ANyway, I've wasted enough of your time.

	Lost Boy
	(If you mourn my being lost, don't. At least I *know* I'm lost)
From: SL500000@brownvm.brown.edu (Robert Mathiesen)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Crowley, Lovecraft, Damon Collection at Brown
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 07:03:55 EDT
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

D. Owen Rowley rightly calls the attention of readers to the S. Foster Damon
Occult Collection among the Special Collections of the Brown University Li-
brary.  However, there's hardly anything by Crowley in it; mostly it's magic
before Crowley that engaged Damon's interests (he was also known as an expert
on Blake).  We do have the original printings of the *Equinox*, but except
for one volume that belongs to another collection here, not the Damon Occult.
We have the original edition of Agrippa, _De occults philosophia_, printed
under mysterious circumstances during his lifetime, for example.

We also have a large number of Lovecraft's original manuscripts, notebooks
and papers, as well as pretty near everything by him which was ever published.
From all this material it's clear that Lovecraft was NOT a practicing or be-
lieving occultist of any sort, but a rigorous materialist of the most scien-
tific stamp who wrote occult fiction because he found he could *sell* it and
thereby earn his living.  He was a recluse and lacked most social graces,
but that's no index of his beliefs -- you find recluses of all sorts.

Robert Mathiesen, Brown University,
SL500000@BROWNVM
From: cward@Think.COM (Christopher)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Book Review
Date: 28 Sep 1992 17:41:50 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: godot.think.com

In article <1992Sep26.021517.27935@samba.oit.unc.edu>, eddie@hermes.oit.unc.edu (Edward M. Averett) writes:
|> Lousy stupid 600 page piece of trash, written by someone who apparently 
|> knows as much about Voudoun as he does about writing (nothing at all). 
|> 
|> I am astonished that someone can write that much absolute pathetic horseshit
|> in a consistent manner.  The author must be an Ipisissimus of the Inner 
|> Order of Sesquipidalian Fruitcakes. 
|> 
|> No joking, really.  This was B-A-D. The book is a smorgasbord of a mixing 
|> of so-called magical "styles" and tries to incorporate the author's notions
|> of magick from Golden Dawn, Crowley, and the O.T.O, Voodoo and the Loa, 
|> Atlantis, space aliens from alternative universes (Zothryians) who are 
|> possessing initiates, pre-1900 astrology, western ceremonial magic sources
|> like Albertus Magnus, and psionic gnostic physics. ....enough.

Oh, you mean your typical New Age paperback. :-)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: Crop circles (was alt.magick.con)
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:33:15 +0000

bcash@crchh410.BNR.CA (Brian Cash) writes...

>Crop Circles have been reveiled as a prank. Not very interesting.

Some later crop circles are most certainly a prank. I am far from
convinced that the original ones that gave rise to the stories were.

If you look at the books detailing these things, you will see that
early circles were just that - circles in the middle of cornfields.
Later ones became abstract patterns and words - obvious fakes.

There is evidence going back a long time that these things have been
known about. It is unfortunate that there was so much publicity
attached to these things that the scientific community never got the
chance to investigate properly before the hoaxers moved in.

I don't think they are supernatural in any way however: I thing fluid
mechanics is a far more accesible explanation than UFO's....

>Brian /-|-\



Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: rjb@milton.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars)
Subject: Re: alt.magick con
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 00:11:44 GMT

Add to the alt.magick.con Tour of Mysterious  Britain --

-- a seance at Dr. Dee's grave
-- a bath at Bath
-- a walk along the Chelsea embankment in cloak and broad-brimmed hat


...

--LeGrand
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Cat.Magick, a Sekhmet Production
From: Shawn Clayton Knight <knightster+@CMU.EDU>
Date: Fri,  2 Oct 1992 21:48:41 -0400 
Organization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

In my arrogance I noted that you left me out:

Shawncat:  Well, from a chaos point of view, I can tell you that if
killing Nubi will shut him up, then go for it, but since reality is
subjective, it might not, and while we're at it did I mention Nubi's
True Will ...

Otherwise flawless.

-shawn

Xref: sparky alt.magick:5035 alt.pagan:10457 rec.org.sca:14022 talk.religion.misc:17558 talk.religion.newage:4513
From: donal@brewich.hou.tx.us (Donal)
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.pagan,rec.org.sca,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage
Subject: Re: Pagan Academic Network needs articles
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 92 22:09:48 CDT
Organization: The Brewer's Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US

dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling) writes:

> 
> Please get in touch with either me at this address or pan@sage.cc.purdue.edu
> for any further information.

as I believe I mentioned before, please send a copy to 

panmag@brewich.hou.tx.us

so that I may redirect it to a local distribution newsgroup for access by
all my users.

Blessed Be, and good luck!


--------------------
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(Internet) donal@brewich.hou.tx.us  (Work) bill%pssi@lobster.hou.tx.us
(CIS) 76460,1443 
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P.S. Ask me about my new baby! :)
From: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM (Mark Allen Kampe)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Religion, Traditions and the History of Science
Date: 2 Oct 92 21:13:22 GMT
Reply-To: markk@pongo.West.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems
NNTP-Posting-Host: pongo.west.sun.com

In article 30277@m.cs.uiuc.edu, mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath) writes:
>Poor old dumb non-adepts like me fail to see the point of this 
>distiction.  Besides the tenative nature of the phrase "help us 
>to", I can't see that "understanding" and "explaining".  I'm
>sure you meant something definite, but it eludes me.
> 

I didn't think it was all that subtle.  The meaning is mostly within the
"tentative nature of the phrase 'help us to'".  There is a world of difference
between being a 'valuable tool' and 'the whole answer, all in one place'.
 
If somebody tells you he can "explain the universe" he is a liar and/or a fool.  If
somebody says they can "help you to understand the universe" they may be right. 

A watch maker may have great respect for his lathe, and strive towards mastery of
its use.  He recognizes however that a lathe is the wrong tool to win the heart
of a woman.  So it should be with a good scientist.  He respects the scientific
method and strives to perfect his mastery of it.  He also respects the unknown,
has humility about how much he really knows, and recognizes that the universe
is a truly amazing place.
Xref: sparky alt.magick:4979 alt.pagan:10321 rec.org.sca:13960 talk.religion.misc:17486 talk.religion.newage:4489
From: dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Dartanyan the Witchling)
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.pagan,rec.org.sca,talk.religion.misc,talk.religion.newage
Subject: Pagan Academic Network needs articles
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:06:14 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center


Yes!  Purdue University, in the heart of ultra-conservative Indiana, is now
the site of the officially authorized(by purdue) student organization, 
the Pagan Academic Network!  (Catchy inits, eh?)  :)

We will be providing support and advocacy for local pagans, solitaries, and
other open-minded folk.  Our main goals are open communication and public
re-education about many pagan beliefs, philosophies, and practices.  

Our newsletter, which will be available on the net, as well as in hard-copy
form, is _Widdershins_.  This newsletter will be mostly comprised of contrib-
utions from our readership.  Articles from various newsgroups will also be 
solicited to help fill the gaps.  There will be no topic or length limitations,
the only request is that there be no prosyletizing(sp?), evangelizing, or 
<insert holy-book here>-beating.  Poetry, biographies, quotes, blurbs, essays,
artwork (for the hard-copy version), and any other form of contribution is 
_most_ welcome!

             *****     We need articles!!!!!!!      *****

There will be a rolling deadline, with contributions that miss one deadline
being put in the next issue.  
Issues are tentatively planned for 1-2 times per month, depending on the 
volume of contributions.

Please get in touch with either me at this address or pan@sage.cc.purdue.edu
for any further information.

Thank you, and Blessings be to you.

--
dart                                         
dart@mentor.cc.purdue.edu                     
President of Pagan Academic Network at Purdue
From: rjb@milton.u.washington.edu (LeGrand Cinq-Mars)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Book Review
Date: 27 Sep 92 14:37:38 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

Correction to typo.  Title should be _Le Petit Albert en Boite_

--LeGrand
From: Tagi@cup.portal.com (Tagi Mordred Nagashiva)
Newsgroups: alt.magick
Subject: Re: Necronomicon
Date: Mon,  5 Oct 92 07:49:37 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <BvGq4A.EK6@ddsw1.mcs.com> <1992Oct5.025620.7858@cs.tulane.edu>

9210.05 e.v.


Lots of stuff posted about 'facts' and 'truth' and 'knowledge'.


The beginning of history is the beginning of psychosis.  Please stop
attempting to sway us with your 'knowledge'.  It only inspires me to
ignore you completely.  Thanks.


Thyagi
------------------------------------------------------------------
"And you got me, right where I am.
This is me, playing the piano.
I hope you like what I do.  It's for you.
And I'll try and sing right too."  -- Carpenters
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
Subject: Re: Ted Serios (Was This post composed)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 16:45:43 GMT

crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
: In article <1992Sep30.235141.15717@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
: > : 
: > Certainly, it would. He would always ask the audience for suggestions. It  
: > is easy to pretend to hear someone ask for the desired image, then produce
: > it. That is a very old, stage magician's trick. When presented right, you
: > will have about 1/3rd of the audience believing that they personally asked
: > for that image.
: > 
: > Bill
: > 
: 
: Who said anything about an *audience*? The circumstances I am referring to
: would typically be Ted SErios and Dr. Eisenbud together in a room, or
: possibly with two or three other researchers.
: 
: You really should read the book before trying to discuss this.

I cannot comment on the book - I have not read it. I can only comment based
on what I have read other places about Serios. I think, if you take a good
look at the experimental method, that it does not even begin to approach
good scientific method - e.g. double blind experiment.

Stage magicianship is replete with techniques to convince the viewers that
they themselves thought of the desired response without outside influence.

Bill
Newsgroups: alt.magick
From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: HALLOWEEN
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 20:33:25 +0000


... and following on from such a scholraly dissertation on
jack'o'lanterns - will'o'the wisps etc.

Weren't these just the sort of things that could appear where corpese
were left to rot? Thus giving rise to the connection with the spirits
of the dead?

Xref: sparky alt.magick:4927 alt.pagan:10171 alt.religion.all-worlds:76
From: oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)
Newsgroups: alt.magick,alt.pagan,alt.religion.all-worlds
Subject: Re: Seeking Creator of "Practice Random Kindness"
Keywords: random kindness, guerrilla goodness, deep thoughts, Marin
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:07:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep29.113735.13592@ncsu.edu>, barclay@RAIL9000.gatech.edu (Barclay Blanchard) writes...
>In article <1a6pgtINNt5d@gap.caltech.edu> jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov) writes:

This has nothing to do with magick.
This has nothing to do with magick.
This has nothing to do with magick.
This has nothing to do with magick.
This has nothing to do with magick.
This has nothing to do with magick.
This has nothing to do with magick.
This has nothing to do with magick.
This has nothing to do with magick.
This has nothing to do with magick.

I'm sure you can find a more appropriate group for this.

- Peggy -

>>
>>   "PRACTICE RANDOM KINDNESS AND SENSELESS ACTS OF BEAUTY"
> 
>A beautiful posting.
> 
>I have a (brief) personal anecdote.  I was buying groceries one day and was 
>a nickel or so short.  A woman behind me handed me a nickel.  It really
>touched me; people are generally so impersonal around here.  She said, 
>"Someone did it for me once.  Do it for someone else when you can."
> 
> 
>-- 
>Barclay Elizabeth Blanchard    barclay@rail9000@gatech.edu
>"I've been laughed at by some of the funniest people."
>--Lissie, Alice Walker's _The Temple of My Familiar_