HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: crossposting
Date: 25 Aug 92 23:25:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug25.164025.21856@spdcc.com> rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) 
writes:
>
>	I doubt that's anyone intention, and I think it's kind of odd that
>this particular thread is generating so much reaction - we've had threads
>like this before where the *content* was anti-GBLO* and didn't react
>nearly as much...

I thought this was a particularly interesting thread, not because of the
contents (which were rather ho-hum), but because it was started by someone
on CompuServe through a mail to news gateway.

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From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: GOP:  The Next Generation
Date: 23 Aug 92 22:59:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.41826
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <anon-210892125720@anon.com> anon@anon.com (anonymous posting account) writes:
>ever wonder where these republicans are coming from?  read on for a laugh.


A laugh?  No, I'm not laughing.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu (Bil Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Presidential theme music
Summary: Playin' for the Prez
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:31:12 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

In article <cornell.714588260@vivaldi>, cornell@inoc.dl.nec.com (Cornell Kinderknecht) writes:
> >When Bush came up to the podium to speak at the Republican National
> >Convention they were playing music in the background. (That is normal)
> >
> >What wasn't normal (and what was confirmed and reported on National
> >Public Radio) was that the theme music in question was the title song
> >from 'La Cage au Folles'. 8)
> 
> Perhaps this was the orchestra's music director's little joke.  :-)

This reminds me of a controversial incident from my high school band
days.  In '79, right at the end of his office, then president Jimmy
Carter came to New Brunswick for some long forgotten reason.  He flew
in by hellicopter, into one of the large local parks, and the
surrounding towns had sent their school marching bands there to greet him.
We had, by far, the largest (256+ members) and well-known band, and were also
considered "world class" at the time.  We were told to play songs from
our repertoire, which that year consisted of a medley of songs from
"Barnum" and a Stephen Sondheim medley.  Well, the President was late,
so they told us to keep playing to entertain the crowds.  We were
quickly running out of songs, and were left with only the Sondhein
medley, so we began it.  Just as the section with "Send in the Clowns"
started, lo and behold, good-ole Jimmy in his 'copter arrived.

It caused quite a stir...

_______________________________________________________________________
Bil Gonzalez
bgonzal@math.rutgers.edu
_______________________________________________________________________
"Isn't it rich?
 Isn't it queer?"
		SEND IN THE CLOWNS
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From: twpierce@amhux1.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: news from colorado
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 12:37:20 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.024706.21325@auto-trol.com> katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:

>Well, thanks for your support, guys. It's great to be fighting amendment
>2 here, knowing y'all are sitting out there criticizing us for not getting
>enough support to suit you. Real, indeed. When's the last time you saw
>ANYTHING pass that kind of margin. Take your disgust and shove it.

The disgust I'm talking about -- and I think that Tom is talking about
-- is aimed not at you, but merely at the incredible injustice that
38% of people responding to a poll can oppose freedom of expression
and fundamental human rights.  On the contrary, I have nothing but the
highest admiration for the folks in Colorado and Oregon who have
banded together so closely to combat the legions of hate.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@amherst.edu      /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
From: foye@unagi.cis.upenn.edu (Rob Foye)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay names
Date: 25 Aug 92 20:55:02 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.051825.2243@syacus.acus.oz.au>, brent@syacus.acus.oz.au (Brent Davies) writes:
|> katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
|> 
|> >In the Lesbian Community (tm) here, Jan seems to be *the* dyke name.
|> 
|> *gasp*  Really?!  That's my sister's name, and she *is* Family!
|> 
Then, of course, there's Jan Brady (you know, the middle sister on The
Brady Bunch). Sure, she got married in later incarnations of the show, but
didn't you always wonder about her?

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From: eda569v@mings3.cc.monash.edu.au (L.M. Kaing)
Subject: Re: The Silent Majority (was: other stuff)
Organization: Monash University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 23:48:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.192138.6751@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>(I was going to change the Subject: header, but I rather like the idea
>of a silent majority agreeing on my tastiness)
>
>In article <mike02383920726200153@batpad.lgb.ca.us> mike@batpad.lgb.ca.us (mike batchelor) writes:
>>mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>>>I just that delicious little lad from Reed would post more often.
>>>Nelson, isn't it?  He sounds, in a word: *yummy*
>>He *is* yummy.
>
>I'm told that I taste good with mango juice, as well.
>-- 
>                __
>nelson@reed.edu \/  Look, over there, it's a real dog and it's really talking

Any other flavors, Nelson??? *grin*

How about bananas?

Matt.
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From: markm@ogicse.ogi.edu (Mark Morrissey)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Time to dance the dance, Bob
Date: 2 Sep 92 05:01:09 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.42274
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR

In article <1992Sep02.005446.13716@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:
>
>Cute.  But you're the seventh queen to pull that material on me.

He can count, too.

>You are a truly disgusting individual, Morrissey.  Consider exile;
>it is an honorable option for those who have nothing to contribute
>to life in a group of people.

Interesting.  Perhaps we can *both* consider it?  At least I am open
minded enough to think about it.  

I must admit that your tone and close-mindedness has caused me to skip
some of your articles.  You seem to be the poster child for the 'normal'
gay man who hates 'nelly' queens which are keeping 'normal' gay men
locked into closets through fear of association.  Those of us who have
had the intelligence to read the net for a while before posting have
a fair idea as to what people like Jess, Arne, etc. actually are like
and also some idea as to what they do in their lives.  I would be interested
in hearing what these so called 'normal', non-nelly gay men do with their
lives.  Perhaps you can tell us?  Certainly none of then read movie history
or enjoy cooking/baking.  I doubt if any of them are into physical fitness
for any other reason than to train for 'manly' activities (please define
these for us, Bob).  Just what do these men do with their lives that helps
keep them free of 'nelly' influences?  Inquiring minds.

We are waiting to be educated, Bob.  Please be our teacher.  However, I
must warn you that we will not accept any of this negative dialectic which
you have been sticking to lately.  I do realize that it was good enough
for Socrates, but he was nelly, wasn't he.  I am sure that you can rise
above all that and actually answer the question.

We are waiting, Bob.  Now is the time for you to shine.  Be sincere, I
guarantee you that I am.

>/(markm)
>/And as long as we are on sound bites...  My three year old niece has a
>/better grasp of individualism and the need to embracing diversity when she
>/says "Why do people hide who they are?  It can't be very much fun.".
>
>Glad to see you found someone with which to converse at your own level.
>Pray that she doesn't outgrow you by next year.

I have no doubt that she will.  I do hope she isn't talking too far
over your head right now.

--mark
--
Mark Morrissey           One Hatred to rule them all.  One Hatred to find them.
markm@cse.ogi.edu        One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
                         them.  In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Folsom ST Fair
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:55:54 GMT
Article-I.D.: spdcc.1992Sep1.215554.21991
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep01.204032.31454@watson.ibm.com> jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>> Steve, do you have to *work* at being this big an asshole or were
>> you born this way?
>he's enrolled in arne's twelve step program.

And I've been trying to get Arne to stop wearing those spike heels.
Ouch!

-- 
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
From: aberson@enh.nist.gov
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: I'm okay.
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:23:28 GMT
Organization: NIST

Daivd and I are okay.  Some damage to the house.  Our computer
system has been damaged so this must be short.

Julie Hood, please call me at home, I lost your number.  (305)925-1865.

This place is a real mess.

       Sim Aberson   Ft. Lauderdale, FL   aberson%3328.span@sdsc.edu
"It's always Beach Party Barbie, or Malibu Barbie....  That shit does not
prepare you for the true horror of a real woman's life.  Where is Single,
Abused, Trailer-Park Barbie?"             - Roseanne Arnold
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From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)
Subject: Re: Gay Homophobia (was Re: Too straight looking to be gay???) (was re: UNGAY GAY)
Date: 24 Aug 92 01:08:04 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corp.


(me)
>Getting too cold under that rock, Melinda?
>You're not worth the effort.

(anderson)
/(Note to clinicians: the ButchUnit is losing his cool now,
/ starting to evince more and more self-loathing in every
/ posting.)


Anderson, if nasty comments are a signal of 'losing one's cool', then I'd
have to say that you have been totally unglued for about a week now.

You have started at least two new threads just so you could pick a fight
(or more likely, scratch my eyes out), and you continue to spread yourself
thin over the board.

But don't stop.  In spite of all your public reaffirmations of how
Wise and Good you are, it's still a treat to see you squirm and pretend
to be calm while under the surface you're about to have a nervous
breakdown.
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Sunday, 23 Aug 1992 17:50:06 EDT
From: <SECBH@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject:    re: Irish and Irish-American

In article <iris_leathair@vadier.gr.osf.org>,
emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus) writes:

>If nothing else, it appears that the Irish-Irish are more tolerant
>than the Irish-Americans, or at least those of the latter that we hear
>about here.

In article <1992Aug23.064634.21560@microsoft.com>,
georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:

>At the risk of opening the annual Patrick's Day bitchfest six
>month early, I'll point out that quite a few key Irish-Americans
>*aren't* tolerant; in particular, the charming gentlemen who
>run the parade in New York.  And it is people like the Ancient
                                                             /
At the risk of being labelled a phobe I will contribute my dha phingin,
and stretch for a bit of motss relevance into the bargain.

For all that 20th century Irish society and culture have been lambasted
for being backward and repressive I'm not so sure but what Irish-
Americans don't have a continuing edge on the dark side.  Has Ireland
ever produced someone so obviously joyfully vile as Pat Buchanan?  Ian
Paisly comes to mind - he does seem to enjoy his own nastiness immensely,
but then he got his trimmings in the U.S. at Bob Jones University which
may go a long way to explain the similarity.

I grew up in a town where there were strong Irish-American and
Italian (actually Sicilian)-American communities.  Two negative
characteristics which marked the Irish-Americans as a group and
as individuals were a very active mean-spirited envy and an intensely
hostile attitude toward sex.

Neither of these characteristics were pronounced among Italian-
Americans or the Yankee parts of the population.

When I went to college and encountered Irish-Americans from other
parts of the country I found that the same two characteristics
were very marked.  Upon coming to NYC and making friends with
gay guys from the I-A community here and their families I found
things to be exactly the same.

In discussions with non-Irish folks I have heard these negative
characteristics attributed to working class backgrounds generally.
I have to say that I never found this to be true to the same degree
across the board as it is with I-A's.

I don't think there is any group of men that freaks as quickly
on the topic of homosexuality as the Irish-Americans.  They seem
to be stark raving bananas on the topic.  My recollection is that
this was always the case - high school, etc. - long before gay
rights was a public issue.

It used to strike me that an unusual number of I-A men were gay,
though that may have had more to do with me gravitating toward
them because we had similar backgrounds.

In closing I should quote an old friend, Dermot Lynch, who used
to say that the stereotypical Jewish Mother was the Irish Mother
rendered harmless.

Jack Carroll
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: Come out!  come out!  (was Re: Barbara Bush is a ...)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 19:06:10 GMT


In article <1992Aug27.163628.18413@PacBell.COM>
rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:

>Is it advisable to bite one's personal physician stand-in
>on the leg?

As long as you have an appropriately puncture-proof
fang-condom, I think it's virtually required when they're as
clueless as that!

<> I'm a *fabulous* cook.  You'll forget you ever wanted to
<> eat meat (grin), but you gotta like kids & cats.
<> -- Ailsa Murphy (io81409@maine.maine.edu)
<> I've heard of ovo-lacto-vegetarian, but paedo-felinus-vegetarian?
<> -- David Preston (drp@dosbears.uucp)
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From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sexuality as a private matter
Date: 29 Aug 92 14:20:21 GMT

anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>In article <1992Aug28.164436.4335@cis.ohio-state.edu>
>amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>One of the times when I miss the vigor of Clay Bond most is
>when the topic of erotophobia comes up; he was *quite*
>something on that topic (as on many others).  

I've told you in e-mail; I just keep hoping that Clay will do one
Last-Josephine-Baker-Goodbye-Performance, and cream this Sarver out of
existance.

>You can be very bold about being wealthy.  In fact, you're
>*supposed* to be ostentatious about it unless you've had the
>money at least 100 years.  Like money is good good good.

The reason I'm writing is to give some international perspective here.
The Western World Outside The US holds the same puritanical valuse you
mention, but not when it comes to flaunting wealth.

In the Netherlands it is Not Done to a very far degree: you are suposed
to hold a certain amount of shame when you are well off. It gets less
in other European countries, but flaunting is for a large part a no-no.
Few are the programs like 'Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous' over
here.

>You can be *very* bold about being violent, which in our
>society is sanitized by calling it bravery.  If you're an
>especially good killer -- you don't get caught and you
>murder only *approved* targets, they give you medals and
>honors, or make you President.

We all know that you are allowed to see two men kill each-other on TV,
but heaven forbid that they kiss each-other. Usually when somebody says
that, we just roll our eyes and sigh a 'ain't that the truth, Ruth,'
but right now, I slowly starting to wonder, a question going over and
over in my head, growing louder until it rolls like thunder: why? Why?
WHY? It is _so_ _exactly_ _the_ _opposite_ of the society everyone says
they want to live in.

							FJ!!
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From: robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: How evil are the Republicans?
Organization: Stanford University
Date: 26 Aug 92 22:01:20

In article <1992Aug21.115234.27382@wixer.cactus.org>
lazarus@wixer.cactus.org (Michael Lax) writes: 

   [a chilling account of similarities between Republican ideology and
    Nazi ideology]

I've complained about inaccurate analogies to Nazis before, and I
rather wish I could this time as well.  But I can't.  Aside from the
relatively minor point (already mentioned by someone else) that Bush
is exploiting this ideology of hate rather than being himself a true
believer in it, the analogy is disturbingly accurate.

- Bob
From: pauli@uniblab.asd.sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Color Me Out of Here
Date: 1 Sep 92 17:47:27 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Has anyone heard anything about Barbra Streisand's recent statement?
Apparently, she has said that if George Bush wins the election,
she is leaving the country and moving to London.  She claims that George
is another Hitler.

This is all second hand, by way of my lover's mother, so I am looking
for some corroboration.

pauli.
--
      "[the Iowa equal rights amendment for women is part of a feminist agenda
       that is] a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages 
       women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft,
       destroy capitalism and become lesbians"  - Pat Robertson
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From: ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (ryerson.schwark)
Subject: NYC MOTSS DINNER, 9/5 7PM SUNG HAI
Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 14:55:35 GMT


On Saturday, September 5th, at 7PM at Sung Hai on 10th ave and west
side highway, Motssers and others will meet to discuss secret and
wicked things, and to laugh at all those who only *WISH* they could
attend.  This is your last chance to send email to ry@usl.com and 
join the elite crowd.

Melinda Shore (Maybe, just maybe, it depends upon how well you beg
		and I just can't beg as well as a real lesbian)
Bob Donahue and FredBear (If they haven't gone into hibernation)
Lee "Nomad" Damon  (I promise to try not to "discuss" business with him)
Jack Caroll        (Keeper of wicked stories and ridiculous truths)
JI		   (Columbia bear, with neat last name)
Polly Powledge     (Wise old crone trapped in the body of a beautiful
			lesbian)
Tom Limoncelli	   (safe sex demonstrator.  keeper of the *BIG* vibrator)
George Rielly	   (Moan. Whimper. Groan.)
Jake Coughlin	   (soc.motss sourball.  You know its sour, but you can't
			resist putting it in your mouth anyway)
Tovah Hollander	   (She of the great quotes)
Tom Merkel
(and mystery guest)  (I'm sorry citizen, this guest is classified)
David Parsons	   (Well, maybe, just maybe, anybody want to beg him for me?)
Mara and Marty Chibnik  (Momma Bear and her private bear)
David Edelsohn	  (He whose email address makes my mailer barf, so I never
			wrote him back)
Greg Parkinson
and his Southern Bear  (Beware of incriminating photos)
Frank 	          (Princeton Lad)
Karen		 (from Richmond VA, making pilgrimage with Jake)
Jim and Stan     (motss irregulars)
Lisa Elser       (someone who knows WHY you should beware of Greg)
and me


Ry Schwark
ry@usl.com
From: wolfe@wolves.uucp (G. Wolfe Woodbury)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: why do people post?
Date: 31 Aug 92 03:06:58 GMT
Reply-To: wolfe@wolves.durham.nc.us
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Red Wolfe @ The Wolves Den
X-Md4-Signature: c14497bae5e14c332cbb080b16958bd4

In some studies, the postulated reasons that Arnold points out (the
intent to influence others to conform) is pointed out as an extension of
the "puritan" or "fundamentalist" *impulse*.

IMO, it is a basic emotional divide between various groups.  It is a
"chip on the shoulder" sort of device, saying (in effect)  "look at me,
I'm the standard by which you all should measure your drab, wretched
lives."  (inspiration kudos to Tom Lehrer.)

It is also a mark of the "clueless newbie" sort of person.  Insecure,
faced with dealing with an unknown number of persons on the other end of
the virtual circuit, they select a single item and make a mantra of it
on which to anchor their psyches.

In some ways, I think some of these people are doing it in a desperate
"crie du coeur", knowing that their position is logically unsupportable
without resort to prejudice and fear.  They desperately want someone to
convince them that their position is wrong.  However, they have anchored
so much of their ego in the position that even the most convincing of
arguments have to be rejected to retain their sanity.

What is not being said here, is also at least as important.  There are
lots more numbers that could be added to arnold's position list, and
someone here could be found to hold that position despite any argument
because it is what they choose to believe.  Precious few can be truly
said to be free from emotional bias.  I'm certainly *not* free from bias,
and I don't think many here will have the gall to claim that they are
truly totally rational in their lives.  And those who will try to claim
it will have lots of arguments to support their claims.  Hopefully, we
will talk past them as well.
-- 
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