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From: jmckee@world.std.com (Jim McKee)
Subject: Re: attitude
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 20:58:25 GMT

In article <92326.201634MGH110@psuvm.psu.edu> <MGH110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I have been wondering for sometime now why it seems that the homosexual populat
>ion(a generalization) is continually irate towards the hetero pop.?
>
>I am a hetero male and since my enlightenment(as to accept people for who they
>are and not for who they love) a few years ago; I have been noticing that no ma
>tter how accepting you are, homosexuals(not acquainted with) tend to group all
>hetero's in the intolerant and biggot category.  Doesn't this seem familiar?  I
>s it fair or right to do what is done to you to someone who isn't doing it
>to you?
>
>I have been finding out that several people that I know are homosexual, as a ma
>tter of fact, the number seems to be growing weekly.  I would discuss this with
>them but have not had the chance.  Also, I applogize in advance if this offends
>anyone, it is not meant that way.
>
>Please don't flame me, this is my first post.


In my experience, you get a slanted view of how gays feel about straights
from soc.motss. There is a lot of anger and a kind of knee-jerk defensiveness
in a lot of people over there about heterosexual people who wander in, and,
in their naivetee, use a "politically-incorrect" word or two. The result:
toast. The flame-throwers are turned-on full blast.
 
Not everyone on soc.motss treats people this way, and, again, in my
experience, in the non-cyber world, even fewer gay people have this kind
of reactive posture toward straight people. My only caveat to you in
approaching your gay friends with questions is this: don't go in with a
hidden agenda. Be sincere. Don't ask questions if you think you already
"know" the answers in an attempt to slam people with your "logic."
 
The differences among gay people are significant, and sometimes I think
the only thing we have in common is that we are oriented toward our own
sex, both affectively and erotically. Beyond that, we're as different
from one another as heterosexual people are. So, be careful you don't
view "us" as a monolithic community, just as you are sensitive to being
seen in this way as well.
 
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com>
Subject: adam and eve not adam
Reply-To: "paul bobbitt" <paul.bobbitt@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: alt
Date: 23 Nov 92 18:21:57 EST

6A>Do you think you were born this way and if so did you have hetero-relations
6A>before you decided to act on your feelings?

Yes, I was born this way.  No, I have not had a hetero relationship.
I believe that God made me gay, and to have a hetero relationship would
be wrong in that context.  He made some people bi, some straight, and
some gay.  People should feel free to be what God made them.

6A>Can you be homosexual without actually indulging in the sex?

Of course, just as you can be a heterosexual without indulging in sex.
Homo and Heterosexuality are orientations, not activities.

6A>What are you going to tell God when you stand before him?

I'm going to tell him I'm sorely disappointed in Him for putting 
people like you here who try to disrupt my happy, loving, Christian
life by judging me.  I expect He will clarify that He put you here
to test me.  I'm also going to thank Him for making me gay, because
it saved me from being a judgemental fundie like you.

6A> I'm not preaching

Yes you are, and doing a pretty sad job of it.

6A>but I do beleive that there is going to come a time
6A>when you are going to have to stand before God and explain your actions and
6A>he's going to cast you right into hell.  God made Adam and Eve not Adam and

I believe that God has saved me through his Son's death.  I believe
that the death of Christ on the cross brought liberation to mankind 
from the arbitrary rules of the Pharasees.  I believe that Peter's
dream of all the different kinds of food being acceptable is evidence
of this, and that this dream did not just apply to food, but was
instead a symbol of mankind's liberation from these arbitrary laws.
These laws include the ones that prevent the loving relationship
between two men or two women.  As such, I feel fully justified in
being in a loving sexual relationship with another man, and I believe
God has blessed us with each other, and approves of our love.

God has already forgiven me, and continues to forgive me as I lean
upon His grace and mercy.  Who are you to question otherwise?

If you have a problem with God forgiving the sins of practicing 
homosexuals, I recommend you forward your complaints to Him.  He
is probably a good deal more patient with people like you than I am.

Paul D. Bobbitt
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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: bfarenel@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bri Farenell)
Subject: Re: Reasoning of Homos?????
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 15:39:55 GMT

prpeterson@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:

>I have a very simple question...what makes homos attracted to their own 
ex 
>over that of the other sex?  What psychotic problem is this labeled as?

>If anybody has any comments, please email me.

>Paul4
>a gay basher


Sure, what makes homosexuals attracted to their own sex, I think it's
that genetic thing. Much the same way that heterosexuals are atttracted
to the opposite sex. The pyschotic problem you have is called 
homophobia. Glad I could help.
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov
Subject: re: One bored "het.boy"
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:23:39 GMT

I duno... Were we flamed?  Or were we just exposed to an 
ignorant bigot expressing his views under the guise of
'reason' and 'experimentation'?

I mean 'cmon here now...

In article <92321.142837LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu>
Long Dong Silver writes:

>Well guess I proved my point.  GaRead Gary Sanders post (I 
>think he is not 100% het.) about reverse bigotry.  I posted
>some of my previous insulting comments (some I thought were 
>very humorous) to see if I could prove my point that homo's
>are just as a bigot group as us hets.  

>You guys were very compliant.  I know if I were a homo and 
>read some of my posts, I would certaintly not reply with such
>bigoted remarks, but rather with witty, humorous, informative,
>etc. to show hets that you are not affected by what others 
>think.

Well, ain't that special.  I seem to be recalling here that
in response to several of Long Dong's first comments some
pretty reasonable statements about why we aren't attracted
to the opposite sex.  That along with a few bits on his 
problems (which are basically the problem)

It was he who started in on this stuff about sitting on
his foot long cock and stuff about us leaving more women
for him...

>I thought if I got some cool replys or combacks from
>some homos It would change my opinion a little bit, but they 
>were lamer than the ones I got from the Trekkie net, thats bad.
>So *yawn* I'll leave you gays alone (for awhile) because ya all
>are taking up to much space on my e-mail.  But while I'm gone,
>pleez work on your comebacks..........

Well, isn't this special.  I think our comments were at least
better than his original statements.  We at least had some
reason in our voices.  And - oh!  Look at the other insult...
comparing us to con-geeks.... oooohhhhhhhhhhh!!!

If this was some sort of 'social experiment' it was conducted
most definately very poorly, and I see no real data from it.
I think that for the most part we responded with many 
"educational" and "cool" statements that were not beyond the
voice of reason, unlike some others...

I also think that someone is a very serious closet case, and
probably had to drop out of this little suaree because he
got too much cum on his keyboard and it shorted out!

>
>   I'LL BE BACK  ==-------da LOng-Man----------->
>

Oooohhhhh!  A threat!  I'm sure our closet case is still here.
just reading and jerking off....

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
Subject: Re: attitude
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 09:31:37 GMT

In article <92326.201634MGH110@psuvm.psu.edu> <MGH110@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>I have been wondering for sometime now why it seems that the homosexual populat
>ion(a generalization) is continually irate towards the hetero pop.?


We will be irrate towards hets. in general until we have the rights as
all other humanbeings in this country.

>
>I am a hetero male and since my enlightenment(as to accept people for who they
>are and not for who they love) a few years ago; I have been noticing that no ma
>tter how accepting you are, homosexuals(not acquainted with) tend to group all
>hetero's in the intolerant and biggot category.

In this one little sentence who have grouped us up just like you accuse
us of doing heteros......Why can you do it?

  Doesn't this seem familiar?  I
>s it fair or right to do what is done to you to someone who isn't doing it
>to you?

On an individual level, when I meet people it doesn't matter if they
are hetersexuals, black, white, men or women.  

But in a social level the gays main oppessor is the heterosexual male....

>
>I have been finding out that several people that I know are homosexual, as a ma
>tter of fact, the number seems to be growing weekly.  I would discuss this with
>them but have not had the chance.  Also, I applogize in advance if this offends
>anyone, it is not meant that way.


It doesn't offend me, but it concerns me, especially when you lump us
together as you accuse us of doing.  

>
>Please don't flame me, this is my first post.

No flame here....

Bil Snodgrass
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 23:32:28 EST
From: Tim Bieling <QAA@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Stupid Het Males
 <92320.173143QAA@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Nov16.152428.24932@samba.oit.unc.edu>
 <1992Nov16.163100.25029@mcs.anl.gov>

In article <1992Nov16.163100.25029@mcs.anl.gov>, nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov (Jim
Wylde - Metal Fag) says:
>[...]
>
>Hey, gary, no offense man, but I think the phrase in
>question was directed primarily towards one very small
>segment of the heterosexual community who have very
>valiantly earned the title given to them. (ie. our little
>fag basher and Long dong silver)
>
>There are (unfortunately) some people in all segments of
>minority/majority groups who go out of thier way to be
>the stereotype and earn such derrogatory titles.  Unless
>someone directly calls you or "all of you" that, please
>take it to be directed at only the person to whom it is
>addressed.
>

Jim -

Thanks - you said it just like I would have!

-Tim
From: harris@chopin.cs.unc.edu (Trey Harris)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Reasoning with homophobes??
Date: 22 Nov 92 21:35:07 GMT
Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

In article <1992Nov21.225442.22416@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ted9e@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Edward Doyle) writes:
>What should we do with the homophobes... and regular old
>racists, for that matter?  There's been numerous debates on whether the
>oppressed should just lie down and take it of stand up and fight.  I
>haven't heard anyone, though, advocate just putting these hating
>bastards behind bars and keeping them there for the rest of their
>biological lives.  clearly they're not fit to live in free society
                                                       ^^^^
>with the rest of us.  Anyone agree? 

I don't.  While I certainly don't like being hated, called faggot and
queer, being bashed, or worse,  I definitely don't agree that such
people should be locked up.

You use the phrase, "free society," but how 'free' is a society if
'freedom' entails putting away people with whom you do not agree for
the rest of their lives?

As Monsier Arouet put it, "I do not agree with what you say, but I
will defend to the death your right to say it."  Freedom is a precious
thing.  Mandated adherance to an ideology, no matter how benevolent,
in speech and action has only one name: fascism.  And I would no more
want to live under a fascism of tolerance than a fascism of hate.

I believe we must, in order to survive, convince those who would hate
us of why they should not.  But we must never _require_ others to like
us.  Such is a benevolent dictatorship of mind, but a dictatorship
none the less.

Trey Harris
--Stranger in a Strange Thread!
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu (John S. Bibb)
Subject: Re: Fuzzies
Reply-To: jbibb@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 04:01:49 GMT

In article 920@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu, cik6239@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Devore) writes:
> In article <latarra.721957256@camelot> latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren) writes:
> >
> >Fuzzies for anyone who wants them - New shipments every Thursday.
> 
> I want one.  Where do I get it?
> 
> Jeff Devore
> 


Do we have to wait til Thursday?????  HELP I'm in Alabama and I can't get out!!!




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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders)
Subject: Re: Reasoning of Homos?????
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:11:27 GMT

Rob Jellinghaus says:
> And surely you agree that stupid het boys are deserving of condemnation?

To which I respond:
Actually, no.  That's just my point.  What they are deserving of is
education, but they are no more deserving of condemnation than are you or
anyone else.
Condemning that which you do not understand is far too easy.  
If he calls you a faggot, and you call him a stupid het boy, have the two
of you made any progress?  Are you any closer to a tolerant society in
which homosexuality is not frowned upon?  

Seriously, this group too often takes on overtones of over-simplification.
"Gay guys make better friends for women."
"Stupid het boys deserve condemnation."
"All men who oppose homosexuality are secretly gay."
"All gay men like anal sex."
"Heterosexuals just don't understand."

All I'm asking is that each of us be treated as individuals.  Dispense
with the vague generalizations, the blanket statements.  Reason with the
"stupid het boy", don't yell at him.  If he won't listen, try someone
else.  Eventually, if you reason with enough people, the "stupid het boy"
will be an irrelevant relic of the past.

Gary.Saunders
@bbs.oit.unc.edu

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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty)
Subject: Re: Is there a FAQ list for this group?
Organization: JPL, Spaceborne Imaging Radar Software Group
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 06:19:27 GMT


In article <By3GvF.MnE@world.std.com>, bmarcum@world.std.com (Bill Marcum) writes:
|>
|>How does this newsgroup differ from soc.motss or alt.sex.motss?  Or for that
|>matter from alt.flame, alt.cascade, etc?  Oh well, another day, another
|>dozen newsgroups to unsubscribe.
|>

soc.motss is the primary place where lesbigay folk talk about most anything
It is not the place to discuss the validity of homosexuality.

alt.politics.homosexuality is where political issues are discussed

ca.politics is where too much argueing about gay rights goes on.  Its really
a flame war between homophobes CC, PR, and MW on one side and dozens of
people on the other side.

rec.scouting has lots of discusion about BSA's policy against lesbigays.

There is also ba.motss (SF bay area), ne.motss (new england).  And with the
gay rights issues reaching a boil in Colorado with Amendment 2, there are
various co.* news groups.

This news group (alt.homosexual)  seems to be where college freshman first
discover that someone would actually talk about those icky homosexuals on 
a computer network.

--
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From: mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu
Subject: Re: Reasoning of Homos?????
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 15:02:00 GMT

In article <1992Nov14.155626.14224@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, prpeterson@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes...
>I have a very simple question...what makes homos attracted to their own sex 
>over that of the other sex?  What psychotic problem is this labeled as?
>Paul4
>a gay basher


Here's one of the ways that I, as a straight male, understand it.  I 
imagine how I would feel if some morning I woke up and discovered that I 
was female.  Once I got over the shock of the change, I would notice that 
even though my exterior was different, I was fundamentally the same on the 
inside, that is, still attracted to women.  Now (allowing for the fact that 
this has never been documented to actually happen) I can understand how a 
female would have feelings for another female, and it's not difficult to 
extrapolate that to males having feelings for other males.  Of course that 
kind of change doesn't happend in the real world, but I think it does allow 
me to just slightly understand how it would be.

Does that help any or are you so bound up with your own problems that you 
aren't really looking for answer at all?
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 21:41:51 EST
From: <LXP111@psuvm.psu.edu> (Your worst nightmare)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Thank you

Maybe you gay guys aren't so bad after all...since you free up more women for m
e. (8- >=


                --==LonG-Man  aka  lONg-mAN==--
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: butrynm@carn14.alleg.edu (Matty Butryn)
Subject: gay man looking for lover through newsgrazer
Keywords: gay lover
Organization: Allegheny College
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 22:02:24 GMT

My name is Matty F. Butryn.  I am a junior at Allegheny College,  
Meadville, Pennsylvania.  I am looking for a male companion that is close  
enough to my current location so that visitation is not a possible.
I have turned to NewsGrazer as a means to locate someone that would be  
interested in me because homosexuals are not looked upon favorably by  
other students, faculty, or the administration.  I feel that I cannot be  
open about the way I feel here so NewsGrazer offers me a manner in which  
to be discrete.  I hope to hear replies soon.
From: cik6239@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Jeff Devore)
Subject: Fuzzies
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 02:32:27 GMT

In article <latarra.721957256@camelot> latarra@camelot.bradley.edu (Lisa Ehren) writes:
>
>Fuzzies for anyone who wants them - New shipments every Thursday.

I want one.  Where do I get it?

Jeff Devore

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: phi@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Aeleck)
Subject: Re: Thank you
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 00:56:36 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.160232.26619@samba.oit.unc.edu> Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders) writes:
>Dare I suggest that I am beginning to detect "heterophobia" here?

HETEROPHOBIA!!!!!!!  OH MY GOD THAT'S IT!  EXACTLY!  WOW!
Now, at least we know what it is!  Thanks Gary.  I've been
wondering what it was for years.  Now I can Begin treatment.

:)
Seriously,  would you blame us?


PS:  This was meant as a joke, not as a flame.

PPS: I just heard that the vatican just sort of gave homosexuals 
the right to exist.  Congratulate me, it's a queer.  :)

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Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: "Shane A. Johns" <sjohns@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual/Friends BBS in Midwest
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 21:24:38 -0500

Hello all.  I am running a Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual BBS and am in need of
some callers.  We have tons of .gif and .jpg files for your viewing
pleasures, as well as on-line games, and such.  If you are game, and
are sick of high file-transfer credit ratios, give us a call at
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to access this BBS.  And, if you are calling Long Distance, upon 
voice-verification via. collect call, you will be given a credit-free
account -- ie. no worry about uploading files.


Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
From: ted9e@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas Edward Doyle)
Subject: Re: gay man looking for lover through newsgrazer
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:52:49 GMT

Hey, I tried to mail you and it got returned.  Do you have an alternate address
that might work?
Tom
From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (x4604 (Hauskins))
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Reasoning with homophobes?? (was: Re: Reasoning of homos???
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:18:44 GMT
Organization: Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu

In article <1e9oo5INN3io@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma) writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.191127.5469@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
>Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders) said:
>
>>"All gay men like anal sex."
>
>Okay, you score one right so far.
>

Whoa!!! are you saying that ALL gay men like anal sex?  I don't think so,
I have met many gay men who do not like it either way.  I don't care for it
myself.  So don't make a blanket statment like this, it is not logical.
From: ak441@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Suter)
Newsgroups: alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: Change of pace
Date: 17 Nov 1992 22:09:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ak441@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Suter)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov (Jim Wylde - Metal Fag) says:

>Just outta curiosity, did anyone watch This Week with 
>David Brinkley on ABC this last Sunday?
>
>They had a really cool peice on gays/lesbians in the
>military, and I thought it was very well done...
>
>Anyone else se it?

It was VERY well done, expecially at the end when the former head of 
the Navy wanted to make sure that he had been properly understood  and
Brinkley, very much tounge in cheek, told him that he made his position
very well understood.  The man was an ass and gave the impression that
if it were in his power, he would not have allowed either women or 
blacks in the military (even though he claimed the conrtary).

Newsgroups: alt.homosexual