HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: rclark@alcor.concordia.ca (Richard Clark)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: aquaria gif's???
Date: 5 Oct 92 02:30:13 GMT
Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec

In article <2800220@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> booth@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (George Booth) writes:
>I received this info from Patti Beadles recently. (Posted without
>her permission - I hope she doesn't mind).
>
>  The best way to get GIFs out on the net is to post them to
>  alt.binaries.pictures.misc.  There have been quite a few fish pictures
>  there at various times in the past. 

Posting to that group is _a_ solution, I don't think it's such a great
one.  Because of the heavy disk space requirements for the group,
sites seem to either block it, or make the lifetime of the articles so
small that unless you happen to catch it exactly when it arrives,
you'll miss it.  This latter case happens at my site.  A few months
ago I read in this group that stuff was posted there, but caught only
1/4 of a picture.

Of course, posting to a.b.p.m is better than not putting out the
picture at all ...  I remember that someone very kindly created an
anon ftp site for fishy .gifs a while back, I don't know if it's still
in operation.  For those without ftp access, this is a drag, but it's
a lot more convenient for the average person.
-- 
rick clark (rclark@alcor.concordia.ca) | Ban Handguns.
           (CIS 70272,3270)            |
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: cliff@watson.ibm.com (cliff)
Subject: Cycling				
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 13:24:52 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: A

Regarding my previous post about fish dying in an new tank:
Everyone keeps saying "C'mon Cliff, don't you know about
cycling and the nitrogen cycle?" 

Of course I know, but I'm wondering, from a biochemical standpoint, how
the build up of toxic chemicals due to insufficent break-down
of waste by bacteria could have an effect on a huge tank after two days?
Xref: sparky rec.aquaria:7609 alt.aquaria:5113
From: PLai@cup.portal.com (Patrick L Faith)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: Cold Saltwater Aquaria?
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 01:58:10 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: world

>cold water reef request ... etc ..

Call up California Reef ( they have adds in fama about chillers ) and get
Wrobels book (cost about 10 $ U.S.).  

plai

p.s. I moved my 100 gallon CWR to a 55 gallon and gave up on raising decent
algea growth - I agree with Ralph that the metal halides are the way to go
if ya want decent growth - but it was to much of a hassle for me to set up
my system around them - i do have reds staying alive for a long time though
with minimal lighting.
Xref: sparky rec.aquaria:7742 alt.aquaria:5159
From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: [M][R] Coral spawning report
Date: 2 Oct 92 18:09:01 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <1992Oct2.042349.6961@cs.ucla.edu> jason@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Jason Rosenberg) writes:

>Are there any sorts of scientific journals that would appear to have any
>interest in captive breeding of marine animals?  

 I havent found any that deal with breeding coral reef life forms. One
journal is called "Aquaculture or Aquafarming" or something simular. 
Its primary focus is on human consumable marine life.
 The article is growing rather fast and will be filled with short extracts
from numerous scientific journals articles. The Literature sited list is
at 39, which makes it a lot longer than FAMA articles usually cite. Its
possible that a raw, hardcore version could be sent to the nets and later 
the article could be broken down into smaller sections and these could be
written for a less reef breeding verse audience. It not a full blown scien-
tific article. Its hard for a non-scientist to write at that level. It is
equivalent to some of the more technical articles FAMA has run, however it
is referenced more completely. Right now length is 10 pages and should
triple by completion. There is no padding. Some of the data is very valuable
to reef breeders, temperature ranges for global regions and how they affect
the sychronicity of spawning, at what temperature will tropical corals be
stimulated to complete development of gametes. I am learning a lot by doing
this research :>

 Steve Tyree - Reef Breeder
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: kcwong@ssd.kodak.com
Subject: Re: fish article
Reply-To: kcwong@ssd.kodak.com
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 13:57:28 GMT

In article 1a9hg7INN1m3@travis.csd.harris.com, marka@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM (Mark Ashley) writes:
>Some fish trivia from an article in a local paper:
>
>95% of the tropical fish sold in the US are produced in
^^^^

<not a flame to the poster>
Hmmm... I find this number suspicious. Do you (the public) know they
are MILLIONS of wild pencil fish, cardinal tetras and cichlids imported
into USA from the Rio Negro region (Amazon basin) alone? There are also
millions of fish imported from Africa and South East Asia (Singapore,
Malaysia). I think if you talk to a store owner you may just find the
95% number fishy (heck, it could even be politically motivated!). I
just hope these fish farms and the government and the public are more
cognizant about the wild fish problem.

>Florida ... There are 193 growers in Palm Beach, Dade,
>Hillsborough and Polk counties.
>....
>Aqualife Research Corp in Fort Lauderdale ...
>produces eight species of clownfish at its fish
>farm at Walker's Cay in Abaco, Bahamas.
>....
>A box of 100 clownfish from Aqualife sells for $165.
>One clownfish can cost anywhere from $4 to $20 in
>pet stores.

Wow! That's exciting..... someone is making up to 1200% profit!!!  I'll
try saltwater tank the day 50% of the marine fish in pet stores are breed
in captivity.  Meanwhile I'll stick with freshwater fish that I or the fish
farms can and WILLING to breed.

Off the soap box....

>....
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Mark Ashley                        |DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed
>marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com      |here are my own; they do not
>...!uunet!gcx1!marka               |reflect the opinion or policies
>                                   |of Harris Corporation.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------

K.C.Wong
kcwong@ssd.kodak.com
Disclaimer: I do not speak for my company. Never has, never will.



Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: ffujita@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Frank Fujita)
Subject: Preludes to livebirth in Guppies
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:24:40 GMT

I remember seeing a very good posting about how to know when your Guppy
is about to give birth.  Did anybody save it, and could you mail it to
me?  Also, (since I have albino guppies) how should I change the
coloration of various things for an albino guppy?
Frank Fujita
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: livings@unislc.uucp (Ross Livingston)
Subject: tank cycling
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:08:11 GMT


I've had my 55 [F] running for 3 days now.  I started with just tap water
and let that run for about 24 hours.  Next, I added 4 gal. of Bio Pak to my
wet/dry, put in the recommended dosage of NovAqua (water conditioner), and
5 Large Danios.  All was fine for about another 24 hours, then, for some
reason, the water became cloudy.  I wonder if it was the NovAqua doing what
it does (sliming?), or what?  I planned on adding some Bacter Plus (bacterial
cycling aid) after giving the danios time to put out some amonia.  I've added
some of this, but not much.  What could be causing the clouding?  It's actually
not very bad, but I just didn't expect it to cloud like that so fast.

Now, as the tank cycles, what H2O tests do I need to do, and how often?  I've
checked the pH which has stayed between 8.0 and 8.3 or so.  I also checked for
ammonia which turned up 0 as I expected.  How long should I have to wait before
I can even detect any ammonia?  Also, am I correct in assuming I won't need to
check for nitrates and nitrites until after I first find ammonia?

One more thing, do I need more fish to cycle the tank?  About how long should
it take with my current load?  Is 80 F an ok temp for growing the nitrobactors
and other goodies I need?

Thanks.

-- 
Ross Livingston, Unisys Corp.  |  Phone   (801) 594-6217
322 North  2200 West,   D1V03  |  Fax     801-594-4861 / 801-594-6708
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Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: cliff@watson.ibm.com (cliff)
Subject: The prettier the fish, the less hardy
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1992 21:29:28 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Organization: A

Rumor has it that the prettier (more colorful) the tropical fish, 
the less hardy it is.  I.E. pretty colorful fish usually are more
susceptible to disease and die faster than more boring looking fish.
Does this rumor have a grain of truth?
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,sci.aquaria
From: edd@gvlf4-a.gvl.unisys.com (Ed Dougherty)
Subject: Re: Electronic pH sensors/controllers
Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 20:07:42 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.154626.12023@athena.mit.edu> mar@athena.mit.edu (Mark A. Rosenstein) writes:
>There are basically three parts to such a system: the sensing probe, the
>meter/controller, and a reactor of some kind.
>
>The probes are typically glass filled with a solution and a special membrane
>on the end.  There's an electrode at the tip that picks up the electric
>
>The meter is a milli-volt meter that reads 0 to 1000 mV.  The trick here is
>that it has a very high input impedance, like 10^12 ohms.  Redox is measured
>directly in mV,

>  pH has to be converted. I forget if the conversion is a simple multiplier
>  or if it's an exponential scale, but it's something that's easy to do.


If anyone has this conversion handy for ph I'd appreciate it, I might give
it a try building a ph meter.


Ed Doc



Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: fssmith@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Greg Smith)
Subject: Re: Dynamic Aquaria by W.H. Adey
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date:  6 Oct 1992 10:15 EDT  

In article <Flatline.0m0u@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca>, Flatline@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Flatline) writes...
>I've just finished reading the book Dyanamic Aquaria by W.H. Adey and K.
>Loveland. I think other people on the net have commented on it in the past.
>Reading the book in isolation might provide interesting background material
>for the usual hobbyist, but reading it AFTER seeing a copy of Adey's VHS
>tape of his live-rock greenhouse growing operation in Virgina changes the
>way the book is read. The 1/2 hour tape (a rough cut but a real production
>tape is on its way) describes and show his operation : about 6 400 gallon
>vats are used for growing out seeded live rock and corals. Everthing in
>filtered only with algae scribbers and wave-buckets. No protein skimmers
>exist in this system. Special bellows-type pumps are used in order not to
>damage free-floating plankton and larvae which exist in the system.
>Ultra-minimal amounts of food is introduced to the systems.
> 
>I seem to be under the impression that Mr. Adey was rapidly discounted by
>the industry in general and by people on the net. Am I right? If so, why?
> 
> 
> 
>-- Via DLG Pro v0.992
> 
>Richard Brosseau
>From home via flatline@qube.ocunix.on.ca


We haven't seen the tape.  The system that all this is based on was not 
all that successful.  (The Smithsonian reef system)  I  would like to
keep an open mind on the subject of algal filtration.  But, based on what
I have heard about the Smithsonian Reef it was not all that successful and
many home tanks are much more successful, especially when you consider that
we are dealing with a much smaller body of water and don't have the resources
that they did.  

How did you get hold of the tape?  I would like to see it also.

Greg Smith
From: santosa@gwan.esd.sgi.com (Gunawan Ali-Santosa)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Fish, filter for sale, etc
Date: 5 Oct 92 03:14:57 GMT
Reply-To: santosa@gwan.esd.sgi.com (Gunawan Ali-Santosa)
Organization: sgi

It's clean up time again......

I have several fresh water fish (Oscar, Plecos, etc, they are big...) for sale,
since I want to convert the tank to salt water tank.
I also have:
--  lots of gravel from 100g and 125g saltwater
    fish tank, they have been sitting in my back yard doing nothing ever
    since I converted my setup to w/d filter,
    so I thought I just get rid of them.

-- Fluval 403.
-- under gravel filter plate for 100g and 125 g.
-- Vortex Diatom filter.

I haven't decided the exact price yet for all items,
but about 40% to 50% of new price is acceptable.
I prefer to sell locally here in the San Francisco Bay Area,
but if you are willing to pay shipping cost, I'll
ship them.

Please e-mail if interested. Thanks.
From: jmartine@zeus.calpoly.edu (Joe Martinez)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: [F]Angel fish question.
Date: 30 Sep 92 21:08:55 GMT
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo

scol@scottsdale.az.stratus.com (Scott Colbath) writes:
>
>	My concern/question is this. I have heard from the aquarium shop I  
>frequent that angel fish are very difficult to keep alive in a typical  
>community tank. I wanted a pair of angels, but don't want to be going through  
>them one after another. The person at the store went as far to say that they  
>always die on her in the store soon after arriving and that generally, I should  
I bought an angel almost a year ago, and it has grown a lot, and is as
healthy as ever. He was even moved to a pretty new tank.

The store that I bought it at says that there is some sort of "Angel fish
disease" that is killing off most of the angel fish population, and that
their angels are all bred in the store, from disease-free fish, and no
angels from outside are allowed in the store.

So, yes, it is possible that their supplier's stock is infected.

-- 
Joe Martinez  (jmartine@ares.calpoly.edu)
"When you base your life on credit, and your loving days are done, checks
 you sign with love and kisses later come back signed INSUFFICIENT FUNDS."
                                                           -Funkadelic   
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: bhaskar@brtph598.bnr.ca (Shaji Bhaskar)
Subject: Re: Which to believe
Organization: BNR, Inc. Research Triangle Park, NC
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1992 20:19:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct05.164625.122976@watson.ibm.com> cliff@watson.ibm.com (cliff) writes:
>I have one of those heaters which has a particular temperature value you
>can set.  I set it to 75.  The LCD stick-on thermometer on the outside
>of the tank reads 80.  Which of the two readings would be closer to the
>truth?  

The the heater "dial in" value is usually unreliable.  Your stick-on
thermometer is probably more accurate.

>Is there some forumula relating value read on LCD thermometer to 
>variables such as air temperature, glass thickness, and true water
>temperature?

But why not just gat a reliable, in-tank thermometer?

-Shaji
-- 
Shaji Bhaskar     BNR, Research Triangle Park, NC 27709     (bhaskar@bnr.ca)
From: tes0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (THOMAS EDWIN SCHMIDLIN)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: PLECO.NET.CURSE
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:47:47 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Sep28.015334.13178@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, cpbuehrer@miavx1.acs.
muohio.edu writes:
>FOR SALE:  PLECO CURSE PROTECTION CHARMS
>
>BUY YOURS NOW!!!  DON'T LET YOUR PLECO SUCCUMB TO THE PLECO.NET.CURSE!!!!
>
>For only 5 monthly installments of $19.95, we'll send you an authentic replica
>charm originally used by the ancient Aztecs to protect the emperor's pet
>plecos.  Simply drop the ceramic charm in the tank and your pleco is guaranteed
>to be protected from the net.curse for a full year!!!
>
>Don't let your pleco be the next victim!!!
>
>
>--Dennis
>
>(Master Card and Visas welcome...sorry, no COD)
>                                           ^^^talk about a *LAME* fish joke!

This is the first I've heard of this curse.  Does it have anything to do with
the fact that I found one of my plecos on the floor this evening, mummified
and without eyes?  Stiff as a board, and dry as a two dollar...uh, I mean dry
as a desert.
-- 


Tom Schmidlin       DEEP THOUGHTS: By Jack Handey - If God dwells inside
TES0@LEHIGH.EDU         us, like some people say, I sure hope he likes
215-758-0875            enchiladas, cause that's what he's getting.
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: jason@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Jason Rosenberg)
Subject: Re: [M][R] Coral spawning report
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 04:23:49 GMT

steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree) writes:
> Also, my article is being done for free. No profit motive will be in-
>volved. Just remember that when you critique it :>

> Steve Tyree - Reef Breeder

Why not eventually try to mold it into some sort of magazine or journal
article.  It seems to me that the results and observations that you have
made are likely to be quite useful to the scientific/aquarist community
in the long run.  Certainly, something like FAMA would accept it (see previous
posts)....

Are there any sorts of scientific journals that would appear to have any
interest in captive breeding of marine animals?  

Jason

-- 
Jason Rosenberg                           Computer Science Department
jason@cs.ucla.edu                         University of California
{uunet,rutgers,ucbvax}!ucla-cs!jason      Los Angeles, CA  90024
From: mwerling@woodstock.umd.edu (Michael T. Werling)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: PLECO.NET.CURSE
Date: 1 Oct 92 20:19:10 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

More Pl**o death stories...

My girlfriend had one for years.  It was the only surviving fish that lived 
through being in a bucket that once contained bleach...

It died when I saw her tank badly neglected containing 1 danio (big) the 
pl*co and a couple others, and a LOT of gunk.  I did a 50 percent water change
and gravel vaccuum, and the pl*co was dead the next morning.  Says something
for its taste in environments...

Mike
Xref: sparky rec.aquaria:7669 alt.aquaria:5134
From: steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
Subject: Re: [M][R] Coral spawning report
Date: 29 Sep 92 20:03:44 GMT
Reply-To: celia!steve@usc.edu (Steve Tyree)
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

In article <1992Sep29.160646.28935@javelin.sim.es.com> krogers@javelin.sim.es.com writes:
>Steve, I'm unclear on whether this 30 day cycle is just over your
>planulae trays or over the main tank as well.  Also, are you still
>going with 1/2 year diel and temp swings?  In other words, are you
>doing what I am: real-time moon phases 2x accelerated diel and temp
>cycles.

 My main reef is going into a normal moon periodicity. ie - 30 days be-
tween full moons. This is being done due to findings in scientific re-
search and reef observations. I noticed that none of my corals were 
spawning around the full moon. All or most spawns were synced on new moon.
This could mean that the full moon peak was not wide enough (referenced to
number of bright moon days). Some corals have monthy planulae brooding
cycles. They need 30 days of time to brood monthly planulae properly.
My Actinodiscus sp. mushroom and new favites are propably monthly brooders.
My tank is going to stay at 78.3 to 79.4 degree F temperatures till a big
spawn occurs. The reasoning will appear in new article I am preparing.
The article is growing daily and could not possibly be as complete as it
needs to be.

>I don't have copies of any of my original postings, but I'll go
>through my log book and recap the important parameters for the inverts
>that have spawned in my tank.

 Please be as scientific as possible. Use proper scientific names if you
can provide them. I am going to contrast scientific observations with
captive reef observations.

>What?, and pass up my only chance for fame and fortune, plus get on
>Eliot Porter's, Mark Derr's, et al, hit list?  Not on your life.  :-()

 I heard that pelagic collection impossibility claims have been retracted.
Apparently not enough ACTUAL research had been performed.

 Also, my article is being done for free. No profit motive will be in-
volved. Just remember that when you critique it :>

 Steve Tyree - Reef Breeder
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria,alt.aquaria
From: krogers@javelin.sim.es.com (K. Rogers)
Subject: Re: [M][R] Coral spawning report
Reply-To: krogers@javelin.sim.es.com
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, Utah
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 16:06:46 GMT

steve@celia.UUCP (Steve Tyree) writes:

> My tank has started a 30 day moon cycle as of yesterday.
>This is due to monthy planulae brooding coral which seem to do better on
>a more natural cycle. Some planulae have settled and appear to be developing
>slowly, others appear to not be metamorphising completely.

Steve, I'm unclear on whether this 30 day cycle is just over your
planulae trays or over the main tank as well.  Also, are you still
going with 1/2 year diel and temp swings?  In other words, are you
doing what I am: real-time moon phases 2x accelerated diel and temp
cycles.

> I could use some help with section 3. If anyone has posted an
>article on coral invertebrate spawning (coral, anenomes, crustaceans), if 
>you could send me copies of your original message via email it would make
>the task easier. You might want to arrange your data in a presentable format
>and I could insert it as is into the article.

I don't have copies of any of my original postings, but I'll go
through my log book and recap the important parameters for the inverts
that have spawned in my tank.

> Also, if anyone who has posted
>spawning info and does not want their name mentioned in the article, send me 
>email.

What?, and pass up my only chance for fame and fortune, plus get on
Eliot Porter's, Mark Derr's, et al, hit list?  Not on your life.  :-()
-- 
Keith Rogers
krogers@javelin.sim.es.com
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
From: "larry wheatley" <larry.wheatley@canrem.com>
Subject: air bubbles???????
Reply-To: "larry wheatley" <larry.wheatley@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 28 Sep 92 09:24:58 EST

Hi all,
        How big a problem can very very small bubbles be in my reef
tank??
I have a small cloud of them coming out of the pump return.
I think they are coming from the W/D box.

How can I rid these little air suckers away for good???

Anybody know of a good live rock place that will do the Canadian
customs paper work for a small fee?  The Customs brokers here want
any where from $50-$100.  Ya right!  They got a better chance of
seeing GOD!!!....than getting my money.

thank you
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: tse@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Anthony Tse)
Newsgroups: rec.aquaria
Subject: Re: cycling a tank with live rock
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:57:45 GMT
Organization: Naval Research Labratory, Washington, DC

In article <1992Sep30.195628.10099@kbsw1> chris@kentek.com (Chris Kostanick 806 1044) writes:
>This is all Steve Tyree's fault, as it was his posts that got
>me interested in having a tank again. :-)

Yeah, tell me about it.  I am thinking about starting a 60g cube for
breeding/experiment purpose.  I think it's going to be a Oceanic cube
with Tunze skimmer and a 400W MH.  Content will be clams and hard corals
only, no fish.  (The 400W MH is so I can have first hand comparison
between MH and fl).  Of course, I lost ~$500 worth of critters because
I was out of town for 6 weeks, the second tank may have to wait.

-Anthony