HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: October 28th.
Keywords:  The end.
Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:17:07 GMT


In article <29SEP199217121120@apsicc.aps.edu>, jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) writes:

|>Hello all,
|>  Some time ago one of the a.a.v people posted an explanation for the
|>"Last Trumpet Day" said to occur on the 28th., of October. I didn't
|>manage to obtain a printout of the explanation but if the person could
|>repost it I would appreciate it greatly. There are some fundamentalists
|>I am in an ongoing argument with and I really need the facts about the
|>subject.
|>					With appreciation in advance,
|>							Jim


	Just tell them to GET A LIFE!  You can't win an argument with 
	Fundies.  They wouldn't listen to reason if Jesus Christ told 
	them himself/herself/itself.  

	Just let it rest until the 29th of October when everyone is still
	here and then you can go to the Fundies and go PPPPPHHHHHTTTTT!

	This same thing happened with me in 1988 when the Fundies (some 
	not all) were convinced that the second coming would happen on 
	Rashashana (sp sorry) because of a poorly written book: "88 Reasons
	why the rapture will happen in 1988).  A fellow co-worker was 
	convinced that he and his family were going to rapture out.  Well
	I argued until blue in the face with no success.  I then said to 
	him that he should take everything he owns and all his money and 
	give it to a charitable organization.  He wouldn't do it.  Some 
	faith you have I said.  Fell on deaf ears.  The day after the 
	supposed event I went to him and ask how it felt to be made a fool
	of.  

	Steve Food_for_the_Grays/Reptoids

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jcj@tellabs.com (JCJ)
Subject: Re: aliens are from hell
Organization: Huh?
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 13:59:18 GMT

>...
>I am a good clean-cut Australian catholic boy.... 
>
>I have read articles (all religious) which say that the UFO phenomenom's
>seen around the world are actually demons (from hell...you know, the hot
>place) who are sent here by Satan to temp people towards the sciences,
>...
>
>Damien Sawyer
 ^^^^^^

Oh oh...
From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: October 28th.
Keywords:  The end.
Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution:  world
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:38:48 GMT


In article <BvEqKz.Asp@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, battin@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (L GENE BATTIN) writes:

|>>	faith you have I said.  Fell on deaf ears.  The day after the 
|>>	supposed event I went to him and ask how it felt to be made a fool
|>>	of.  
|>
|>Well, hey, don't stop here!  We're all anxious to know: How did he feel
|>to be made fool of?  Did he learn anything from this experience, or
|>did he continue his gullible ways?


	Well he didn't have an answer.  Didn't say anything at all.  He 
	is still a Fundie but is a bit more wary of fanatical Fundies 
	bearing strang gifts


	Steve  Food_for_the_Grays/Reptoids
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        |  universe and denies only gods fashioned by men in their own  |
        |  image to be servants of their human interests.               |
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From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: UFO/alien themes in movies
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 08:16:52 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <xb5nn5l.jeffp@netcom.com>

Jeff: Sorry to put this information in the Net this way but would
you give me a call by E-mail. I need your advice in a certain matter.
John Winston.
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: "Alternative 3": April Fool! (was: Bookstores and excellent books
Date: 29 Sep 1992 02:58:43 GMT
Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu

In article <Sep.28.21.34.04.1992.6644@dropout.rutgers.edu>, mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes:
>
>>>jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau) writes:
>>>there is a space effort by the US that is not publicised,
>>carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:
>>Evidence, please?
>
>... well, I haven't followed this discussion, but of course there is a
>classified space effort, with launches from Vandenburg, and the
>occasional shuttle mission (for the shuttle missions, the fact that
>they occur is not classified, but what they are is.)  

While we might not know what's in the payloads, there's really no way to hide a
launch.  Not even from Vandenburg.  Then there's the fact that there are
tracking stations scattered all over the globe, not all of them belonging to
the United States.

>>>there are technologies being used that could be far in advance of what we 
>>>consider to be possible at this time,
>>Evidence?  Or just a description of what these technologies are?
>
>...up until quite recently, these included stealth technology, and for
>instance still includes imaging hardware.  See Burrow's "Deep Black"
>for a good discussion on this subject.  
>
>   I'm not taking sides on the actual discussion, but I think you're
>answering too broadly...

Answering broadly?  What answers?  I asked questions (not that I expected
answers from the supporter of this particular conspiracy theory).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
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From: 003316g@ace.acadiau.ca (STEPHEN EDWARD ELLIOTT GREGORY)
Subject: Re: aliens are from hell
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 23:47:22 GMT

>...
>I am a good clean-cut Australian catholic boy.... 
>
>I have read articles (all religious) which say that the UFO phenomenom's
>seen around the world are actually demons (from hell...you know, the hot
>place) who are sent here by Satan to temp people towards the sciences,
>...
>
>Damien Sawyer
 
Tempt people towards the sciences !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The scientific community often times seems more inclined to disbalieve in 
Aliens buzzing earth then to use it as ammo for scientific theories.
From: bill@prijat.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Where is the driven Planetoid?
Date: 28 Sep 92 19:13:03 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Department of Computing Sciences

It's not Fall of 1992 yet!!         ;-)

bill

-- 

     Bill Gunshannon          |        If this statement wasn't here,
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From: Earth@ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Spokesman for Earth: Candidate List and Voting Instructions
Date: 26 Sep 92 12:32:55 GMT
Reply-To: Earth@ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Organization: The Alternative Universe

In article <120n4ga.rickg@netcom.com> Rick Gordon writes:
[...]

> For an expanded version of these instructions, see article
> "The Voting Booth" <44763@skye.dcs.ed.ac.uk> in alt.alien.visitors,
> dated 10:44:06 GMT, 24 Sep 92.

Just in case anybody missed it, or they can't find it again in their
system, or whatever problem there might be, I am reposting the
article. I have a digest including the discussion which has been posted
here by the candidates, but it's a bit too long to repost (after deleting
all signatures, most of the headers, and quotes from other articles
included in the digest it's still 22 kilobytes). If you really want to
see it, just tell...

-------- reposted article follows ----------
From: Earth@ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: The Voting Booth
Date: 24 Sep 92 10:44:06 GMT
Reply-To: Earth@ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli)
Organization: The Alternative Universe

In article <y88nd_=.rickg@netcom.com> Rick Gordon writes:

> There's some merit to this idea.  Let's ask the Vote Adminstrator if the
> booth location can be announced now.  Opening and closing times as
> previously advertised, of course.
> 
> Mr. Calvelli: a ruling, please?

Ok, ok, it can be done.

Vote location: "Earth@ed.ac.uk" - reply to this article and you are on
your way.

Procedure. You can write whatever you like in the message, but you should
put somewhere in the text a line containing:

	Vote: (the name you choose)

and nothing else. This makes my life easier, because the votes can be counted
automatically. In any case, the texts are kept if anybody wants to check the
votes.

Please note. Votes received before 00:00 GMT Monday, 28th September will be
automatically discarded. For reference, this corresponds to 7pm of Sunday
(U.S. East Coast) or 1am of Monday (Central Europe).

Votes will be accepted after 00:00 GMT Wednesday, 30th September, but they
must have a timestamp within the voting period. So if the aliens replace my
mail server with a clone the votes will be counted anyway.

Duplicate votes. Please avoid to send duplicate votes if at all possible.
If two votes arrive from the same sender, and they vote the same person,
they will be just counted as a single vote. I haven't decided what to do
in case of the same sender sends votes for different people. I guess the
easiest is to discard them, but I accept suggestions.

What else can I add? Oh well, list of candidates and declarations will be
reposted later, but you should know them anyway.

Mail "clc=aav@dcs.ed.ac.uk" for any questions. Mail "clc@dcs.ed.ac.uk"
only if your mailer doesn't like the "=" in the username.
From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: What Do You Think?
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:09:58 GMT

In article <10499@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> rhys@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>In <1992Sep30.185843.7100@netcom.com> vere@netcom.com (Steven Vere) writes:
>
>>  How  is  our hypothetical Stanford luminary going to take this?  For
>>him  it is a personal  CATASTROPHE!  Yes, he would  like  to learn the
>>secrets of the universe,  but his  life is  in ruins.  Superconduction
>>theory is now irrelevant,  childlike.   His  scientific and  financial
>>position has  evaporated.  The  next  day  in  a graduate seminar, his
>>students want to know why they should bother finishing the course when
>>it is now all useless drivel.  And they're right.
>
>There's always the "we don't need no stinking aliens - we'll do it ourselves"
>angle.  Who cares if it takes a few hundred years to "catch up"?  At least
>we can say that we did on our own, and aren't beholden to the aliens forever.
>I'd expect most scientists would jump at the opportunity to study alien
>technology, even if it makes their research obselete.  If our hypothetical
>Standford luminary is the only person (or one of a select few) that have any
>hope of understanding the alien technology, his position of power has not
>evaporated at all.  If however he is just a suit, getting on committees due to
>political power, then it's time to hand over the reigns to someone more
>capable anyway.

But that isn't how the world works. Fact is, this guy would fight tooth and
nail to keep the Greys tech. isolated to save his own butt. One thing you 
learn real quick in industry is that CYA is the only rule that applies. True
most "real" scientists would jump at the chance, trouble is, they aren't the
ones with the gold. (He Who Has The Gold...)


>
>You must crawl before you walk.  Newtonian mechanics is still taught in schools
>even though we know that Einstein showed it to be strictly incorrect.  It is
>still taught because it is easier to understand than Einsteinian mechanics,
>and forms a good basis for beginning to understand Einsteinian mechanics.  The
>current education system can form just as good a basis for alien technology as
>it does for human technology.

True...

>
>We don't need to treat alien technology as a mysterious "gift from the Gods".
>We'll make better use of it if we understand how it works, and develop our own
>versions.  I think most people would agree that knowing how the gadgets work
>is a good protection against the day the aliens don't like us any more, or we
>don't like them.

There is some wisdom here. 

>
>Cheers,
>
>Rhys.
>--
>Rhys Weatherley, University of Queensland, Australia.
>rhys@cs.uq.oz.au  "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?"


Gregg.
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From: shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: *_-_*_UFO_in_Alps_*_-_*
Date: 26 Sep 92 19:38:34 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

In article <1992Sep23.143454.24531@ctp.com>, denys@ctp.com (Denys Chen) writes:
> In article <1992Sep17.101334.1@sara.cc.utu.fi>, shanwang@sara.cc.utu.fi writes:
> |> 
> |> 
> |> 	Helleo, folks
> |> 
> |> 	We've enjoied a nice tour in Alps. Last night we come back by train
>  	... 
> |> 
> |> 	Ha, nice to talk with everyone here. Have a nice day !!!
> |> 
> |>         IMHO, I am learning how to process film now 8-)
> 
> So ??? What's your point ????*_-_*_..^#?%$*^.@!<%)...
> 
> Let me make your article making sense :
> 
>     The next thing you want to do after learning processing film is
>     getting those pictures scanned and post them on the 
>     alt.binaries.pictures.misc news group.
> 
> PS. FYI, next time you go to the Alps, don't take train. Instead, a cheaper
>     and faster way is by taking the route 254 bus from Taipei. You can get on
>     to the route 254 bus at the Tai-Ta (Taiwan University) stop on Roosevelt
>     Rd. section 3.
> 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>	Hmmm ... my dear friend. I look for you in the weekend but you  are
>	not there! Neither Route 254 bus statin nor Roosevelt Rd. section 3
>	Do you know how dipointed I am ?!?!?! I hold a branch of flower and
>	stand in the street for 20 minutes :(
>
>	So I wonder if you are an alien ??? :)
>
>	Please don't flame at me. I aways pay best regards to Aliens !!!
>
>	Nice to know you, have fun !!!
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Interdimensional communication...
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:49:17 GMT
Organization: GRASP Lab

In article <1992Sep28.185151.20705@engage.pko.dec.com>, stanley@verga.enet.dec.com (My name is...) writes:
> 
> In article <717331015.0@krypta.fidonet.org>, Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.fidonet.org (Andre Eichner) writes...
> >Hello All!
> > 
> >Is anybody interested oder working on interdimensional communication with 
> >aliens oder any other?
> > 
> >cheers
> >   Andre

> If this means what I think it means, Andre.... I'm interested.
> 
> mary


I smell a conspiracy.
interdimensional communication ? a new AT&T plan ????

J "Friends and Family and Aliens" M.



PS: Cattle mutilation are up.
	"Sneakers".
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: alanj@dadd.ti.com (Alan Jones)
Subject: Re: What Do You Think?
Reply-To: alanj@dadd.ti.com
Organization: Texas Instruments, Inc.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:22:12 GMT

I think most of the theories about what would happen when an extraterrestrial
civilization would land hinge on the assumptions made about what these 
visitors would offer the human race.  I find it much more likely that they
would offer little technological assistance, or at least they would make
technologies known very gradually.  I doubt they would want to turn the 
world upside down because of their offerings.  I also think they'd be more
interested in bringing a message of peace and love and spirituality, since
it seems obvious (to me) that that is where this planet really needs help.

---
sincerely,
Alan Jones  /  Texas Instruments, Dallas, TX  /  email=alanj@dadd.ti.com

Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Vote - final results
Keywords: vote, spokesman, Earth, results
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:01:10 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

Earth@ed.ac.uk (Claudio Calvelli) writes:

It's a fix!!!!

My vote for Gary Stollman didn't appear.

What kind of conspiracy is this?????

FoFP
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.religion.kibology
From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry)
Subject: Re: Nominations for Spokesman for Earth
Organization: Two rooms filled with typography, in downtown Boston
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 04:59:06 GMT

In article <az#p41a.rickg@netcom.com> rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes:
>In article <66699@cup.portal.com> John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
>
>>Dear Voters: Due to the fact that I got all mixed up and didn't accept
>>the nomination when it was offered me, I here-by and forth-with vote
>>for the honorable distinguished gentleman from the world Mr. Kebo and 
>>Babagi.
>
>Unfortunately, Mr. Kebo and Babagi (or Mr. Kebo and Mr. or Ms. Babagi)
>does not appear on the ballot as posted here several times.  Leader Kibo
>does appear, as does John Winston.  In any event, to be counted your vote
>must be sent to the voting booth Earth@ed.ac.uk before 00:00 GMT
>Wednesday, 30 September 1992.

But--is Mr. John Hyphen Winston on the ballot?  Is he related to the
famous Dr. John Hyphen David who sells those subliminal tapes that glue
the two hemispheres of your brain together, in the back pages of Omni
magazine?  

(Ow, my brain's stapled to the silver page.)

I'd vote for Charles Babbage, but I'm really a better guy.  After all,
*I* can pass the Turing test, and *he's* deadsville.

							-- K.
From: ross-c@scs.leeds.ac.uk (R Clement)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Viva La Cicciolina!
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:22:44 GMT
Organization: The University of Leeds, School of Computer Studies
Originator: ross-c@csparc12

In article <cw8nl5h.rickg@netcom.com> rickg@netcom.com (Rick Gordon) writes:
>
>It's not too late, it's too early.  Voting begins at 00:00 GMT Monday,
>28 September.  This week is for the campaign.
>

When does voting finish then? If it isn't finished yet, CICCIOLINA!

Ross-c
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From: swoodwar@zeus.calpoly.edu (Null Cypher)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets
Date: 6 Oct 92 22:04:43 GMT
Organization: Void-Tech Illumination Research, Inc.

$100 says that the sun will not explode next week
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From: joshua@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 07:41:38 GMT

<KAJ113@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>Anyway, he told me about the book "Faces of Mars".  I don't remember 
>everything he said, but I do remember it was very convincing. 

well, I call it 'intriguing' myself. I am actually fairly skeptical about it.
but as I often point out, skepticism does not consist of automatic disbelief,
but in neither believing nor disbelieving without convincing evidence one
way or another. the photographs themselves are very interesting; not just the
'face', but the other possibly artificial structures involved, the seeming
geometrical and astronomical alignments, etc. I would not, on present 
evidence,  unequivocally state 'there are artificial structures on mars'.
the most cogent criticism of the photographs is that they are greatly en-
hanced (but the geometrical and astronomcial alignments I have just mentioned
are apparent in the unenhanced photographs). Very fortunately, barring
unforeseen circumstances, the mars observor should settle the question once
and for all. 

>                                                     Ever since I have been
>trying to get a copy of that book but cannot seem to find it.  Do you know
>who the author was?

the book is called 'the monuments of mars; a city on the edge of forever',
and it is by richard hoagland. it has to be (or had to be) ordered from the
publisher, and I am sorry, but I don't have the book, publisher's name or
ISBN number to hand.


josh
From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: What Do You Think?
Date: 2 Oct 92 02:07:22 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


	rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley) writes:
	There's always the "we don't need no stinking aliens - we'll
	do it ourselves" angle.

...this is counter-intuitive.  No one needs to know the underlying
principles of something before it is used.  Does the biochemist know
the guts of VLSI design (or anything at all about how computers work)
to use it in his/her work?  Do I need to know how an automobile works
to drive one?  Certainly not -- all I need to know is I turn this key,
put this level here, accellerator/brake, steering wheel, and I'm off.
If a higher-technology culture handed us neat stuff, we'd take it and
use it, and then learn its guts (if for no other reason, so we could
make 'em smaller and cheaper, and sell 'em back to the aliens.)

	I'd expect most scientists would jump at the opportunity to
	study alien technology, even if it makes their research
	obselete.

... absolutely right.

  Oh yes, and:

	vere@netcom.com (Steven Vere) writes:
	The next day in a graduate seminar, his students want to know
	why they should bother finishing the course when it is now all
	useless drivel.  And they're right.

   Nope, they're wrong.  Anyone with a brain (and I'll grant you, this
does not necessarily include all graduate students) would see that the
principles of any advanced technology would have to be learned *after*
learning the "lower level" stuff.  (In fact, students pronounce what
they're taught "useless drivel" all the time.  We call the "dropouts".
Typically, they are not as well rewarded by society as those that
learn the drivel.)

Charles
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