HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: quiz@nemesis.UUCP
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Quiz 9 REPEAT - Dr. Who Quote Quiz
Date: 8 Nov 92 19:43:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:nemesis:-403734:000:1878
Nf-From: nemesis.UUCP!quiz    Nov  8 13:43:00 1992


--------------------   Quiz  9  -  2nd  Posting   -------------------------
Division A	

1.	"You haven't solved it, have you?  Your machines have a limited
	 lifespan.  Sooner or later they're going to be useless."


2.	___________ congratulated the Doctor on his performance so far.  Not
	bad, The Doctor could be even be an excellent dictator on one of the
	conquered worlds.  But despite all that he had done, The Doctor could
	not be trusted.  He would have to be monitored carefully to make sure
	his loyalty didn't waver for an instant.  If it did, he would be
	destroyed.
	(Refer to the quiz instructions on how to answer this question.)


3.	"Upper level.  Watch out for the Muts."


4.	"I would have taken you to the Eye of Orion, but, uh, the
	 coordinates elude me at the moment."


5.	"Capsules they may be, but don't touch them until this closes
	 between us."


6.	"Haven't you a ring you can rub?  A magic lamp?  Something for
	 these sort of emergencies?"


Hint for Division A:	We see them from time to time, but in these cases,
			not the same ones


Division B
1.	"Look Edward, I admit we've had a number of technical setbacks.  Mine
	 is not an easy job, you know.  Our problems can only be solved by
	 scientists, not by security men."


2.	"Your UNIT friends are transporting a nuclear missile.  I intend
	 to take it away from them."


3.	"Yates, get out of it man, it's a bomb!  It's a bomb!  Get out of
	 it, Yates!"

Hint for Division B:	Long stories

Answers by email ONLY - Must be received by 23:00CST Wednesday, November 18th.
		Send them to:	quiz@nemesis.lonestar.org
				...uunet!utacfd!nemesis!quiz
				...letni!rwsys!nemesis!quiz

QuizMaster    quiz@nemesis.lonestar.org|"That looks like a shaving mirror."
            quiz%nemesis@utacfd.uta.edu|
	   ...uunet!utacfd!nemesis!quiz|
	   ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!quiz |Who said it and What story?
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: the doctor is...
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 7 Nov 92 23:47:33 EST

Excuse me, but if the Doctor really *were* Omega, he wouldn't need a
screwy memory to be surprised at *encountering* "Omega".  But.....too
much evidence to the contrary, my friend.  Romona knows an awful lot
about the Doctor for him to "really" be Omega.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk (Gareth Suddes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Dates of stories. (was "Daleks taking over Earth" )
Date: 9 Nov 92 14:34:21 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU

1-1@tardis.cojones.com (Peter W. Losher) writes:

>> I'm not sure, but I think it was McCoy in a previous episode that said the
>> Cybermen conquered Earth in the 2200's.

>     . . . McCoy said that the Daleks would take over the Earth in the 2200's
>in "Rememberance of the Daleks" . . .

 Nope.
  Ace says, "So now they want to conquer the Earth!"
    Doctor: "They conquer the Earth in the 22nd Century. No, they want the Hand
               of Omega."

   22nd century is 2101 to 2200. See Dalek Invasion of Earth (TV version) for
more info. 2164 I beleive is the date.
   (BTW Lets not quibble as to whether it's 2100 to 2199 either)

   And on that subject of dates future and past, have you ever noticed how
often they are nice round numbers away from the date of transmission. eg 50,100
or 200 years. Let the examples begin...

                               Story     Trans   Difference
  Dalek Invasion of Earth       2164     1964      +200


 I'll let the masses add some more...

Gareth
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
\ "You are now entering the Justice Zone. Beyond this point it is impossible   /
/   to commit any act of injustice."                                           \
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\_G.M.Suddes@newcastle.ac.uk_/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Subject: i like ace, dag-nabbit! a
Reply-To: "daniel bishop" <daniel.bishop@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:56:58 EST

As an outside observer who neither likes nor hates Ace:

        1)  You're *both* repeating the same things over and over.

        2)  Following the running commentary, I have no difficulty
telling which messages are Drewcifer's (and, apparently, neither do
you).  First, because he "signs" all of them "Drewcifer", which is a
dead giveaway, second, because they are *very long*.

        3)  As all of Drewcifer's messages are very clearly identified
as his, I don't think that the average person reading this Conf would
mistake volume of *one person's* messages for volume of *people's
opinion*.

Just some observations.
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Looking for some incomplete story audios
Date: 9 Nov 92 16:58:27 GMT
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk


	You know the tapes the BBC released of the soundtracks of
Evil Of The Daleks and Macra Terror? Well, they were taken from
the collection of a fan (I forget his name) who also has everything
from Myth Makers onwards on audio. Lucky him. Presumably the BBC
could one day release them all...
	Incidentally, what has happened to the Cafe scene in EOTD?
They've edited out Paperback Writer! Heresay!
	J. Morris
From: riff@coos.dartmouth.edu (Christopher P. Riff)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: shada?
Date: 13 Nov 92 15:15:58 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

pcrossma@cs.ulowell.edu (The Gillrocker) writes:

>In article <92317.155749IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> IO21145@MAINE.MAINE.EDU writes:
>>  Has anyone ever seen the "incomplete" episode of the fourth Doctor,
>>  entitled "Shada"?  I believe it was written by Douglas Adams, and
>>  that It couldn't be released due to a strike at the BBC.  I would
>>  also like to know if a novellization was ever published for this
>>"missing link".....

>Not to sound obnoxious or anything....BUT.....

>You can buy your own copy of Shada at your local video store...if they don't
>have it, tell them to get it!

>Pertinant info follows:
>SHADA
>CBS/FOX Video
>Cat. #:  5730

Also, the script book is available. I don't have the address of the place
I ordered from handy, but I could look it up if anyone is interested. It
is the same script that was included in the UK release of Shada. I thought
the video was great and that Tom Baker did a wonderful job in his
narration. Also, the novelization has not, and probably never will be,
been written.

Chris Riff
riff@dartmouth.edu
From: lawrence2@llnl.gov
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: US Distribution of Dr. Who Books
Date: 13 Nov 92 00:07:27 GMT

Does anyone know of a US outlet where I can buy Target / Virgin 
Dr. Who books? Esp. the New Adventures. Since the series died,
local bookstores have quite stocking them.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: timelord@cs.mcgill.ca (Jeffrey JACOBS)
Subject: Sophie Aldred's portrayal of the Doctor (was Re: McCoys ...)
Summary: Non-sense, PURE non-sense!
Keywords: I'm posting too often, aren't I?
Organization: The Query Master Syndicate.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:01:19 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.220420.276@rivers> ph9991_manfr@rivers.acc.uwrf.edu writes:
>> 
>>>Ace, on the other hand, has always had a consistent characterization, and
>>>I _know_ sixteen- and seventeen-year-olds (at my sister's high school) who
>>>have exactly that kind of "I've never had no mum and dad" attitude and
>>>quick temper.  And best of all, she and Sylvester have developed exactly the
>>>kind of mentor-student relationship that they tried and failed with Adric.
>> 
>> Note: sixteen or seventeen year olds.  Wasn't that her mum who was a baby in
>> WWII?  How old does this make Ace?
>> 
>
>Audrey is born in 1943, Ace is 16 years old in 1987 (given to us in 
>"Dragonfire," this is canon), so Ace was born in 1971, giving Audrey
>28 years to get to child-bearing age.
>
>
>Also, did you know that Sophie Aldred was _25_ when she got the part,
>thus 27 by "Survival," and now 30?
>
>Steven.K.Manfred


Hey!  Sophie's Thirty (+/- 1 yr., I know her b-day's 20 August, the
Same as Sylveste's AND my Step-Mother.  Coincidence?), which means she
really is in the prime of her life!  Cool.

Hey, here's a thought for all you Sophie-haters.  What if Doctor Who
comes back, and the premere episode features the McCoy regeneration, a
la Time [to get a new] Rani.  Ace has just died, and the Doctor is so
filled with grief, especially after the series of dreams he had after
'Survival,' which were novelised into The New Adventures, in which he
treats Ace like [insert favourite explitive here.], and hence takes on
her form and personality when he regenerates.  The Eightht Doctor:
The Pyromanicial Lady!

Picture it:

Doctor:  Hmmmm?  The Master's TARDIS?  *Blow it up!*
-- 
   (%)   By order of the High Council of Time Lords on Gallifrey   (%)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The world is too much with us."  |  And The Dark Horse     ~,-;`
   ---   William Wordsworth       |              Rides On           TX TL
From: usenet@news.orst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: information
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:24:59 GMT
Organization: Weatherford Hall, Oregon State U.
     Also could someone possibly post or E-mail me a list of Dr Who
     items, some examples of what I am looking for are gs for both
     the computer nd board games, misc. merchandise, and anythg else.
     
		     Tha

This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader.
From: david@scilab.lonestar.org (david burgess)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: The Doctor is...
Date: 11 Nov 92 11:45:41 GMT
Organization: Science Lab; Arlington, Texas

mrmuon@next01cville.wam.umd.edu (Eli John Hawkins) writes:

> My theory:
> The Doctor is not Rassilon, Omega, or anyone from ancient Gallifrey.
> However The Hermit / Cho'Je Rimpoche / K'anpo is in fact "the other". He  
> lived out his exeedingly extended life in seclusion in the mountains of  
> southern Gallifrey and trained the Doctor into his exceptional skills  
> knowing that this would lead him into the life which the Doctor eventually  
> leads. The Doctor is thus the chosen successor of the knowledge of ancient  
> Gallifrey.
> As I say, a theory. (This is badly written 'cause I don't feel like  
> fussing)
 
I agree with you because during the Five Doctors he says he can read 
ancient Gallifreyan and many of the Time Lords CAN'T.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: jpjackso@rachel.ibmpcug.co.uk (John Paul Jackson III)
Subject: DrWho On The Sci-Fi Channel
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:04:01 GMT

I was wondering what time "Droctor Who" comes on the Science Fiction Channel
Any Ideas?
-- 
                       |
Aronld On IRC          |
John P Jackson III     |     Our Hope Of Immortality Does Not Come From Any
JPJACKSO@              |        Religions, But Nearly All Religions Come From
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
From: bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers)
Subject: Re: Dwarf Star Alloy
Organization: CERN, European Research Center for High Energy Physics
	<1992Oct30.092940.8277@iscsvax.uni.edu>
	<1992Nov12.181917.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 11:56:09 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.181917.1@cc.newcastle.edu.au> psyctwo1@cc.newcastle.edu.au (PSYCTWO1) writes:

>  Well, I assume that it was not a white Dwarf, as the ship was black (getting
>  very scientific here  ;)

Excuse me, but white Dwarfs are white because of the spectrum of black-body
radiation they admit.  I don't think any has tried to figure out what the
color of these objects will be once they cool.

                                   Bill
From: ST101229@brownvm.brown.edu (Charon)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Re: Colin Baker poll
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 10:19:58 EST
Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu
News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta

>Doctor should always be constrained to a personality trait.  Also, what about
>the Valeyard?  You must have not liked his introduction to Dr. Who, or did
>you accept him as an incarnation gone bad?  My opinion on this would be that
>something happenned during his regeneration sequence to cause that.  Though
>this seems contrary to what I said above, I would think that b'cse a TimeLord
>is the sum of his memories for the most part, to change such a complete
>change as that would involve a whole lot.  Just my opinion though.  :)
>
>                Mystic
>(alex.soto@analog.com)

     Sorry, but I only saw 2 episodes of TOATL, the first one, and the one
where the Master shows himself in the Matrix.  In my limited experience, the
Valeyard had nothing to do with the Doctor; did he figure prominently after
the fourth episode of TOATL?

     I don't know about that "portrayal of the Doctor" thing...the Doctor is a
character, a person with certain traits and characteristics.  In a continuing
television series like Doctor Who, you need a consistent character, like the
Doctor or his companions.  The premise of the show was that there is a person
devoted to changing things in the universe, to what we would consider "good".
Unfortunately, each of the adventures is almost totally disjoint from the next.
If it weren't for the Doctor, we'd have a sort of cheesy Twilight Zone.  Colin
Baker had a consistent personality (arrogant, unscrupulous), but he didn't seem
consistent to the Doctor's character or the five previous Doctors.  He didn't
seem effective.  I seem to remember he was pretty good as Maxell in...Arc of
Infinity?
     On an interesting side note, I got a book about the show, by JNT, a couple
years back...he said Davison was a good choice for the fifth Doctor because he
was young, blond, and had straight hair!  After Tom Baker being so popular, he
wanted a completely new look for the Doctor.  Personally, I think Davison
should have been picked no matter what his hair looked like...

     -Charon, Boatman of the River Styx <st101229@brownvm.brown.edu>

   Feel free to point out anything I've said that's stupid or contradictory.
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: The Enduring Rand (was: Re: Theory?)
Date: 11 Nov 92 19:24:16 GMT
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1992Nov11.175134.29213@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com  
(Michael A. Thomas) writes:
> In article <1992Nov11.045042.15247@panix.com>, gcf@panix.com  
(Gordon Fitch) writes:
> > I was referring to Rand's use of logic.  Logic is created 
> > by freezing or killing language so that it can be used
> > mechanically: that is, unlike almost anything in nature,
> > the same initial state will always yield the same result.  
> 
>   ??! Are you actually saying that, in nature, that given
> the same initial condition and process you will not necessarily
> get the same result? This flies in the face of all of science!

This is not true for any complicated system less than the
universe as a whole (since you can't isolate the system,
and even small outside influences can have a major impact), and
may or may not be true for the universe.  In the scientific model
we assume it is, and this may be a very good assumption, but
at its base it is resting on this assumption.

> 
> > The same premises will always yield the same conclusion.  
> > (This situation does not occur in normal language, which is 
> > fuzzy and flexible.)  In that sense, it is mechanistic.  
> 
>   Is this a fault of nature or a fault in language? To say
> that language does not exactly model nature is obvious, and
> has to do with man not being omniscient. It does not alter
> the fact that nature is reproducible and "mechanical". 

Hmm.  This argument can quickly lead that free will does not
exits, that consciousness does not really exist, etc.  

--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
From: cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: BOOK: Hollywood vs. America by Michael Medved
Date: 5 Nov 92 18:32:02 GMT
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA

In article <1992Nov5.082448.553@genie.slhs.udel.edu>, starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) writes:
> In article <13044@optilink.UUCP> cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
# }# #As for flag-burning -- it's one of the most effective ways for a
# }# #liberal to discredit himself.  Why would I interfere with a person
# }# #shooting themselves in the foot?
# }# 
# }# Well, I can't see why, either, though why it discredits someone isn't
# }# clear to me.  But a hell of a lot of other people on the right want
# }# a constitutional amendment, no less, to prevent this.  I don't hear
# }
# }They do?  George Will wrote a column about this: "Leave Mr. Madison's
# }handiwork alone."
# 
# Which is hypocritically inconsistent with his support of repealing the 2nd
# amendment.
# 
# Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! - Think Universally, Act Selfishly

Well, of course.  That's part of why George Will is the liberals'
pet conservative.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
The Physician Assisted Death Initiative failed.  Term limits for Congressmen
passed.  If only we could have combined the two... two terms, and a doctor
does lethal injection...
From: ultraman@mcl.ucsb.edu (Ramie Tateishi)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: "Kiss of the Spider Woman" question
Date: 6 Nov 92 19:37:07 GMT


  Can anyone tell me what the movies were that Molina described in Manuel
  Puig's _Kiss of the Spider Woman?_  I know the first one was "Cat People,"
  and "The Enchanted Cottage" was another, but can anyone identify all of
  them?  The Nazi propaganda film supposedly called "Her Real Glory" was a
  fake, so I understand, invented by Puig.  Please mail me directly, as I
  seldom have time to go through the newsgroups anymore. Thanks!

  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   |> [] |\/| | (~  O O                       Ramie Tateishi
   |\ || |  | | (_   U                        ultraman@mcl.ucsb.edu
   ---------------                            --------------------
   "I've been around... well, maybe not "around" -- I've been nearby."
		             -Mary Richards, "The Mary Tyler Moore Show"
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
Subject: Re: Advice to the World Weary
Date: 6 Nov 92 12:53:20 GMT
Organization: University of Helsinki

In article <1992Nov4.195537.8723@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> lnh@soliton.physics.arizona.edu
(sometimes a Wombat) writes:

>amnell@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Marko Amnell) writes:
>> 
>> 		And the trees about me,
>> Let them be dry and leafless; let the rocks
>> Groan with continual surges; and behind me
>> Make all a desolation.  Look, look, wenches!
>
>Where?!?  <whirls head>
>
>Don't see no wenches.  Just desert.
>
>	the despondent in Arizona Mr. E-----

Dear Mister Wombat,

This is of course the epigraph to a poem by T.S.Eliot


	Sweeney Erect

Paint me a cavernous waste shore
  Cast in the unstilled Cyclades,
Paint me the bold anfractuous rocks
  Faced by the snarled and yelping seas.

Display me Aeolus above
  Reviewing the insurgent gales
Which tangle Ariadne's hair
  And swell with haste the perjured sails.

Morning stirs the feet and hands
  (Nausicaa and Polypheme).
Gesture of orang-outang
  Rises from the sheets in steam.

This withered root of knots and hair
  Slitted below and gashed with eyes,
This oval O cropped out with teeth:
  The sickle motion from the thighs

Jackknifes upward at the knees
  Then straightens out from heel to hip
Pushing the framework of the bed
  And clawing at the pillow slip.

Sweeney addressed full length to shave
  Broadbottomed, pink from nape to base,
Knows the female temperament
  And wipes the suds around his face.

(The lengthened shadow of a man
  Is history, said Emerson
Who had not seen the silhouette
  Of Sweeney straddled in the sun.)

Tests the razor on his leg
  Waiting until the shriek subsides,
The epileptic on the bed
  Curves backward, clutching at her sides.

The ladies of the corridor
  Find themselves involved, disgraced,
Call witness to their principles
  And deprecate the lack of taste

Observing that hysteria
  Might easily be misunderstood;
Mrs. Turner intimates
  It does the house no sort of good.

But Doris, towelled from the bath,
  Enters paddling on broad feet,
Bringing sal volatile
  And a glass of brandy neat.

-- 
Marko Amnell
amnell@klaava.helsinki.fi
Graduate Student in Philosophy
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books
From: gwr@hedonist-1.lanl.gov (Graham W. Redgrave)
Subject: Re: The Eudaemonic Pie
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:15:36 GMT

Marko Amnell writes:
|> In article <27555@castle.ed.ac.uk> jeremy@castle.ed.ac.uk 
|> (Jeremy Henderson) writes:
|> 
|> >Incidentally, TNC made me feel incredibly small - after all the work they
|> >did on the casino computer, they just went off and "discovered" chaos.
|> >And it takes me all my time to figure out how the newsreader works.
|> 
|> Too many years of comfortable ideas, Jeremy, `nice' thoughts to soothe
|> you into complacency.  Become more weird and wonderful, is my advice.
|> I don't bring peace of mind, I bring a sword to cut you free from Habit.
[...]
|> I'll step off my soap-box now.

And don't forget to put down your cattle prod (oh, sorry, "sword"), too.  Who
made you liberator of the bored?  Who told you they wanted to be liberated?
_My_ humble guess is they just want a new, more glamorous sedative. 

More importantly, who in his or her right mind [to assist in the overuse of
a current net.logism] could think that it is possible to liberate someone else
from his or her habits?  _You_ didn't bring the ideas to _me_ that have 
raged in my soul ever since I uncovered them between their unassuming book
covers.  Idiot.  You can bring an Idea to a Yahoo, but you can't make him
think.  And some of us were thinking before you messiah-ed yourself into
the role of Idea-cheerleader.  "People used to care about Ideas".  Really,
you sound like Clayton Cramer from the 18th century.

What's worse is the fact that you used someone else's post as the target of
your tirade, as if, by impugning another's spirit, you could elevate yourself
to the circle of the chosen (whoever they are).

Gross.  Look what a mess I made.  I'm sure I misinterpreted Marko's words,
ad hominem attacks are uncool, etc., etc., but this is still pissing me off
after three days, and there's not an idea at the root, but self-aggrandizement,
therefore a person, a self.  I apologize for the public loss of control
but not, I should quickly add, for the message in the puke.

|> 
|> -- 
|> Marko Amnell
|> amnell@klaava.helsinki.fi
|> Graduate Student in Philosophy

Yours cordially, despite an overabundance of bile,

-- 
Graham Redgrave    |    --  I don't speak for the government, 
gwr@life.lanl.gov  |        but I wish the government would speak for me ...  --
Newsgroups: rec.arts.books