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From: chrisp@regenmeister.Sun.COM (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Petrese too old ??
Date: 13 Oct 1992 20:05:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
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From article <10707549.1.718700371@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au>, by 10707549@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (RADEK PRCHAL):
> 
>  After watching the crash about 20 times, I don't have any doubt that it's
>  Petrese's fault. Berger was clearly going into the pits, and I feel that

Then you don't know the basics of driving a race car.  

One of the basic rules is you signal (by sticking your hand up) when you 
select or are forced to stop racing.  Patrese made the obvious assumption 
that Berger was trying to shake him out of the draft. Berger violated
the rule that covers the situation.  That makes the incident Berger's
fault.
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From: ajd@DIALix.oz.au (Anthony Doig)
Subject: Re: New teams
Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 14:29:55 GMT

In <718891207.27946@minster.york.ac.uk> pete@minster.york.ac.uk writes:


>Ross Barton asks:

>> 	I was wondering about the setups of F1 teams for next year.  I know
>> 	there are three new teams, one of which is Sauber.  Who are the
>> 	others?

>Pacific sounds like a fairly coherent attempt at a team though.

Pacific Racing won the European F3000 Championship in 1991 with Mugen
engines.  It looked as though they were going to use these engines in F1
next year, but since Footwork has exclusive use of them, hope to get
Ford HB's.  The chassis they have designed includes a semi-automatic
gearbox and ride height control (or is it active suspension).  I don't
know what drivers they have.

Doigman.
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From: colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt)
Subject: Re: New Galmer at Nazareth. Why?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:23:03 GMT


b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.173110.29129@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) writes

>>Given that Al Jr. was leading the points (by one) going
>>into this weekend's Nazareth race, I'm somewhat amazed that
>>Galles chose this time to shake-out the new chassis.  

>It is my understanding that
>the 93 is only a slight departure from the 92 and is no worse than the 92. 


Your understanding, according to Derek Daly, is wrong.

Daly said that the '93 is "fundamentally different" from the '92.

The argument that the reason for Al's using the '93 for Nazareth
is because the '92 would've been dismal seems quite tenable.

However, it was my immediate conclusion upon hearing this
that perhaps Little Al WILL go to F1 next year.  You know
how secretive this business can be.

Why else would he risk the championship to begin development
so late in the year?  There's a lot of testing done after
the racing season is over, but you can't exactly win the
championship after the season.

In support of the F1 argument, Little Al may have been doing
Galles a favor by doing as much testing as possible before
he leaves.  Perhaps this is retribution of some kind for
getting out of his contract early?  

Is there only 1 G93 car in existance?  That would explain why
Sullivan wasn't also testing.

Maybe if someone can post Little Al's performances at Loudon
and Phoenix we can get a read on how bad the G92 really is
on 1 mile (albeit banked) ovals? 

Hmmm, F1, hmmm, G93, hmmm.


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From: jprlarib@cs.ruu.nl (Jan Peter Laribij)
Subject: Re: Top Five (US) drivers; forget the tracks ....
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:51:26 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science

In <183845@pyramid.pyramid.com> danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones) writes:

>Robert J Unglenieks writes:
>
>>>4. Arie Lyendeyk (sp?)
>>>
>>BTW it's spelled Luyendyk.  You know "lazy on the dyke".
>
>I think the original spelling is Luijendijk.  Like Keke Rosberg and
>JJ Lehto of Finland, he changed the spelling to make it easier on those
>outside his country.  Maybe someone from the Netherlands can verify the
>spelling.
>
>Dan Jones

Sorry for this late reply, but I wanted to be absolutely sure and had to check
the spelling at home. The correct spelling is Luyendijk, not Luijendijk 
(although I also know someone (no family of Arie) who spells his name like
that).


JP aka Arie Luyendijk 1993 Indy-Cart champion!!!
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From: parfrk@rs6321.ecs.rpi.edu (Karl Andrew Parfrey)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Formula SAE
Date: 14 Oct 92 19:33:57 GMT
Article-I.D.: rpi.4=2z=2r
Reply-To: parfrk@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.

Formula SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) is a colledge-
student designed single-seat racing class.  Engineering 
universities around the USA each design and build their own
cars and then get together at the beginning of each summer to
compete against each other.  The cars are judged on things like
cost, practicality, and design sophistication.  There are
performance tests as well and I think even a small race.  There
is an overall ranking system.

I believe about 100 universities compete.  I don't know if
competition is open to non-students.

The cars tend to be steel-tube framed with up to 650 cc engines
(usually motorcycle engines are used).  Any forced induction is
ok; they use intake restrictors to limit power.  I think typical
weights are around 300-500 lb and typical power 100+ Hp.  I 
think most of the design is pretty unlimited.

Some of the cars are pretty sophisticated.  The F SAE team here
at RPI designed their own homemade engine computer for CD ignition
and fuel injection, which I'm told works fairly well.  I take
that with a grain of salt because last time I looked they hade
the motherboard _wrapped in aluminum foil_ to cut down the noise...  

They want to do a composite monocoque and so the guys on the team 
have been kind of sucking me into the project.  I guess I get
to play John Barnard after all...

		-Kap

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From: mjackson.wbst147@XEROX.COM (Mark Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Senna test drive Williams
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:56:07 GMT
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY

cheung@mlb.geomechanics.csiro.au (Lawrence Cheung) writes:

> After all, Prost beat the shit out of him during the Ferrari days.

and taylor@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Ross Taylor,Peyt312,6652,2655436) objects:

> If memory serves (and I did check this
> some time ago but am no longer completely sure) NM had a number
> of poles and AP had none that year.

Prost and Mansell drove together at Ferrari in 1990.  That year their
records were:

Prost:   5 wins, 2 fastest laps, 0 poles;
         73 points (71 net) from 12 finishes.

Mansell: 1 win, 3 fastest laps, 3 poles;
         37 points from 9 finishes (7 actually running at end of race)

Ross is correct.  And this without taking account of the fact that
Prost was given better equipment (just ask Nigel). . . :-) :-)

Mark <MJackson.Wbst147@Xerox.COM>

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From: tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield)
Subject: Re: F1: Perry McCarthy drives 80 laps!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:19:40 GMT

bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry) writes:

>Perry McCarthy did a three day test with the active Benetton B192 at
>Silverstone last week.  He did 80 laps, and multiplied his total
>number of laps driven in F1, after his part season with Andrea Moda,
>by a factor of eight !

>He stood in for Alessandro Zanardi, who was ill and spent the time
>putting miles on the car for reliability testing. His fastest time
>was 1m 27.3s, set with a half load of fuel, compared to the fastest
>laps in the British GP of Schumacher (1m 24.344s) and Brundle (1m 25.859s).

>Gordon Message, the team manager said, "We told him to be careful with
>it, because its the only one we've got!  And he was.  Zanardi is well
>again and will test for us at Silverstone this week, but if we got the
>opportunity again. I'd like to use Perry again.  He'd only done one
>lap of F1 Silverstone lap before the test and he did exactly what I
>thought he'd do, and exactly what we needed.  He did a good job for us."

>			
>			Andrew  Henry
>Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk

	UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Perry McCarthy completing 80 actual
laps! That must be some kind of record for him! It's a damn shame he got
stuck with Andrea Moda Formula this year. Maybe he can snag on a Lotus
ride if Hakkinen ends up at Williams. Who knows?.?.?.!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

TOBY...
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From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Engine oil in gearbox (was synthetics)
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 20:36:05 +0000

colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Andrew BW Colfelt) writes..

>I use synthetic oil in my racebike. Motorcycle engines rev quite
>high and usually share oil with the gearbox, two things you need good
>oil for.
[...]

>Using any kind of motor oil in the gearbox is preferrable to heavy
>gear oils becuase of the detergent and anti-sudsing additives. It
>would be wise to change this gearbox oil more often than heavy gear
>oil because of shearing. It would also be wise to use motorcycle oil
>in this application because of the anti-shear additives.

I think that despite your qualifications, I disagree: Gear oils are
heavily optimised for gear usage. Motor oils are not. Synthetic gear
oil is probably the best if anyone makes it.

It is not just a question of the oil lasting longer, it is a
question that the motor oil might actually break down under high
shear and wreck your transmission.

Apart from that I pretty much agree with everything else you said:
Interesting data on the oils.
From: bruno@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bruno Melli)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 15:57:30 GMT
Subject: F1 gossips
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

I got the following from "Paris Match" which is the equivalent ot "People"
magazine in the US. So take it with a grain of salt...

- Williams had an option on Jean Alesi to be their #1 driver. Then came
  Senna sniffing around. Not willing to be left without a drive Alesi
  signed with Ferrari. Turns out that Senna was just trying to make 
  McLaren sweat and raise his salary.

- Some higher up at Elf (forgot his name) has this dream of having a
  French driver winning in a French car, powered by a French engine,
  with a French fuel... They came pretty close with renault back in the
  turbo days. It all came to the last race but Prost lost the championship
  to Piquet ? Anyway, Elf already had posters ready that said "Thank
  you Alain... Elf" ready (ooops ...). 

- So now they have a chance again. Not a French car, but everything else is.
  They are pushing very hard to have Prost drive the William. They are
  the one with the veto power on the second driver. Of course they don't
  want to take the chance of having Senna in the same team for obvious
  reasons:
     - He could walk away with the championship.
     - Prost and Senna can't stand each other so it would be war in the
       team. Nobody want that.
  Senna of course is accusing Prost of the veto. 
  When he offered to drive the William for free he was asking the 
  sponsors to foot his salary bill.

  As for Mansell, he was not considered a threat and would have stayed
  at Williams enventhough he and Prost hate each others. Then he started
  getting smart and win most of the races. (So there might be thruth
  about the Mansell veto rumors...)

- Frank William would rather have Senna drive for him than against him.
  He figures that the McLaren and the Bennetton could close the gap enough
  to be a real threat.

Now before everybody jump to conclusion remember that this is a French
magazine better known for reporting what the princess of Monaco is up to
than having objective articles about racing. In the article, Prost and
Alesi are obviously the good guys, and Senna the bad one.

bruno.
From: awatkins@mullara.met.unimelb.edu.au (Andrew B. Watkins)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: San Remo Rallye - Anyone?
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:52:33 GMT
Article-I.D.: ariel.3364
Organization: University of Melbourne Dept of Meteorology

I believe the San Remo is on at the moment, or at least will be 
starting very soon. Can someone please post in some details - 
stage times, drivers competing, technical details of cars, 
stage conditions, general goss etc. 
Also, if anyone can fill me in on how the Lancias this year 
differ from the Lancias last year I would be very interested
to know. In Rally Aust. they appeared to be faster than previously
(this is a subjective judgement, no flames if the stats prove me 
wrong please!), but what impressed me most was the supurb weight
distribution they appeared to have. Over the yumps they just stayed
dead level through the air, whilst the Mitsubishis and, to a lesser
extent the Toyotas, nose dived considerably.

Andrew. 


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From: rtw5722@zeus.tamu.edu (Ryan T. Wood)
Subject: Re: Ferrari photographers
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 20:03:00 GMT

From Deron Wood's article-

In article <1992Oct12.162934.7901@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, 
    dwood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Deron A Wood) writes...

>  "Ferrari engineers could not believe their luck after Patrese's
>accident as the wreck came to rest opposite their pit.  Now, normally during
>practice the Williams mechanics are as adept as a stripper doing a fan dance at
>covering up the secrets of the Williams active suspension, but with the wreck
>stuck on the track there was absolutely nothing they could do.  The Ferrari
>engineers--who as usual had very litle to do as both their drivers had taken
>their currently traditional early bath--were happily leaning over the pit wall
>shooting off rolls of film of the hitherto secret suspension..."
> 
> 
>Deron Wood
>Ford - manufacturer's cup in NASCAR

That's my team, maybe they might learn something (I HOPE!!).


Ryan T. Wood
Texas A&M Sports Car Club - Vice President
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Xref: sparky rec.autos.sport:11059 rec.autos.tech:13703
From: qinyi@uk.ac.man.cs (Yi Qin (BCW PhD))
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport,rec.autos.tech
Subject: Re: Tires : Slicks vs. Treaded: Help Please
Date: 7 Oct 92 11:02:44 GMT
Followup-To: rec.autos.sport
Organization: University of Manchester, UK
In-reply-to: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 6 Oct 92 19:18:34 GMT

>     You are right, your friend is very mistaken. A slick has one hundred
>percent rubber on the road- how can you get more surface area than that? A
>slick is faster, and I would think that it is less fuel efficient as well.

I would guess that the treaded tyres be mostly used on the touring cars,
rather than the racing cars because the factor of weather is considered
more important. The tread is needed to drain the water underneath the tyres
in wet weather, to avoid being "floated". If the tracks are full of water,
driving the racing cars with slicks would be very dangerous--it's simply
very difficult to control. Otherwise, I can't think of any other use of
the tread.

Yi Qin
qinyi@cs.man.ac.uk
From: smithr@teecs.UUCP (Robert Smith)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 16:36:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Re: RE Desmo Debut
Organization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

Andrew Torda wrirHtes "What was their fastest redline?" I don't follow
bikes but the original desmo design I wrote about was redlined at
14,000 RPM. BTW the WHMercedes was redlined at 8,500 RPM and was
considered unbreakable - not bad for a 1955 straight eight!

Bob.
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Gant - Mr. Versatile
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:57:55 GMT

Gant just hit a grand-slam homerun in Atlanta.  I thought
he was supposed to qualify at Charlotte tonight. :-)

And should we now refer to Geoff Bodine as "Mr. Monday"?
From: sgerrell@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Stephen Gerrells)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR: Charlotte Update
Date: 12 Oct 92 16:01:46 GMT
Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA

In <1992Oct9.031858.2605@tamsun.tamu.edu> pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes) writes:

>Howdy!
>	This courtesy of our clari.sports.motor feed...

>fast time was 172.6 mph -- this was faster than the fastest Winston Cup

No flaming intended here but Alan Kulwicki set the official track record at 179.+.  The old record was 176.+ but since WC guys qualified under the lights in the cooler air speeds were up quite a bit.
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From: humpty@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Daniel Ong)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Top Five Drivers/Top Three Tracks
Date: 8 Oct 1992 08:09:38 GMT
Organization: The University of Westrn Australia
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cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield) writes:

>      This is an interesting thread. I would like to include more
>than just 5/3. For drivers, I think most would agree to the following
>as leading drivers:
>   1. Al Prost- the best. Senna isn't better, neither is Mansell. Period.
Definitely true!
>   2. Ayrton Senna- what needs to be said about him. He clearly is
>		    stunning with a good car and motivation.
>   3. Nigel Mansell- if he can go 2 secs a lap faster than Patrese in
>		     in the same car, then he truly is fast.

>     And since I am recalling 1989, Alessandro Nannini's name pops into
>my mind. He was really showing that year, and Benetton was finally coming
>into their own. I think if he was still in F1,he would be a top five driver
>easily. Please no flames on this- if Rob U can put Rick Mears and Al Jr. in
>the top five, then I can put Sandro in.
Yes, Nannini was pretty fast - if motivated.

>     As for tracks, I really like:
>	1. Spa. What more needs to be said other than 4.3 mile long. How
>		can a track not be good when it is that long.
>	2. Hockenheim. I like 200 mph, so I like Hockenheim. Besides, there
>		       actually is a place to pass here.
Wrong!  (well for most drivers that statement is true - but for Senna -
you've got to be kidding).   Senna weaves like crazy here - he claims
that the slight curve in the straight is actually a corner thus he can
slam the door at the car behind him (Prost last year, Mansell this year)
by taking the imaginary apex.  It is for these tactics of Senna that I
still regard him as second to Prost.  If he wasn't such a cheat, he
would be the quickest in my book.
>	3. Suzuka. Has everything- esses, straights, chicane, hairpin, and
>		   a sixth gear white knuckler. I think it is second behind
>		   Spa.
>        4. Montreal. Some people don't think you can pass here, but I don't.
>		     Just because Senna held everyone up is no reason to
>		     pan this pretty good track.
>        5. Imola. Everyone should like this for Tamburello alone.
>	6. Interlagos.

> I like Mexico City as well, but it is no longer used. I must disagree with
> Hungary's inclusion on the original list. Yes, it does have close action,
> but at the expense of more action that would occur if a driver could actually
> pass somewhere on this piece of crap.
>   Well, that does it for me. Nomex on, replies welcome.

>Regards,
>Cory

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From: gray@tinman.asel.udel.edu (John Gray)
Subject: Re: Michael Waltrip
Organization: AI duPont Institute
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 13:53:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct13.020407.209937@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jth4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON T. HUTCHINSON) writes:
>
>  Does anybody know why Michael Waltrip punched Dave Marcis in the mouth after
>  the race? Does this have anything to do with what happened on or off the
>  track??

Accoring to Winston Cup Scene, Waltrip was upset about an incident that took
them both out.  Waltrip and Marcis had somewhat different accounts of exactly
what happened.

John Gray
gray@asel.udel.edu

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Date: Wed,  7 Oct 1992 15:48:23 -0400 
From: Juan Jose Mata <jmb3+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: BRUNDLE TO WILLIAMS!!!

Hi F1 fans!!!

I just heard this on the Spanish Shortwave station: Martin Brundle has
been signed as the second Wiolliams driver for next year!!!

I pretty much trust the source since this is RNE (National Broadcasting
Radio of Spain) who relays their national service to the World!!!

So, it sure looks like Brundle's little piece in Autoweek this week
softened some hearts in the hard-hearted F1 world ... :)

Too bad for Senna (I am a fan of his actually), but he better show some
profesionality and drive McLaren next year and do it well!!!

Bye.

		- J.J.


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