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From: thomasc@ms.uky.edu (Thomas Campbell)
Subject: Re: Vikes/Bengals game ... Some observations.
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 00:10:13 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

In article <20738@plains.NoDak.edu> sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (Sivaram Hariharan ) writes:
>It was a great 4th week for Vikes fans as they mauled the Bengals
>42-7. However, I have some comments to make.
>
>2> Was Green rubbing it on Shula. In the words of the commemtators,

I was kind of wondering this myself...

>4> all in all the offence and the defence of the Vikes were in
>full gear and stunned the Bengal fans and the commemtators alike.

I don't think you shocked us bengals fans at all.  Boomer basically handed
the game to the Vikings.  I've been saying it forever and none of the 
advocates can possibly be against me any longer.  Boomer *sucks* ok?  Have
we figured this out yet?  Do we need more proof?  Boomer *sucks*.  The defense
was not as good as they have been but, they played 80% of the game.  (The
still got 5 or 6 sacks.. maybe more.. i Never got the final count.)  But,
let me say it *one* more time... Boomer *sucks*  I was there, I heard the
chants of the crowd and I shall chant them now.......


Hollas.. Hollas.. Hollas...

thank you,. :)
Alex

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From: TSTEEGM3@ua1vm.ua.edu (Tom Steegmann)
Subject: Re: Should Marv Levy Be Fired? (was Re: Dolphins Eat the Bills for Lunch)
Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:34:46 GMT

     No , I'm not a Perot supporter.  That has nothing to do with football,
therefore has no significance whatsoever. Now lets discuss the real
issue facing Bills fans.  In super bowl XXV, the bills played an
inferior Giants team.  They were outcoached, and lost, albeit by a
slim margin.  Last year they lost to New England, and almost to the Jets.
This was not due to a lack of talent, but to a lack of good coaching.
I cant  believe that the Bills passed over Joe Greene for a coaching
position. I think that Marv is so busy looking after his cronies that
his judgement has been  faulty.  I still feel that the Bills have more
talent than any other team, and if they had a real coach, they may have
started a dynasty by now.  Flame all you like, I dont really give a shit.
Bill Polian (Bills GM) has put together a great team and I think that
it is an injustice to keep a coach who is so stuck in his ways.
    Another aspect of the game which really chapped my ass was Jim Kelly
laughing through the whole game.  He'll still eat steak tonight and
sleep with a beautiful woman, but those of us who  have followed the
Bills for a long time get very irritated  at a performance like this.
At least Joe Ferguson used to appologize when he played like shit.
    All bitching aside, I hope they come back with a strong showing
next week. Does anyone know anything about # 86?  I think he
was playing tight end.  The Tuscaloosa News doesnt carry much Bills
info, believe it or not.
 
Tom Steegmann
We'll be back...
 
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From: mreese@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mike Reese)
Subject: Need answers to some questions
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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 18:31:06 GMT

I need to know the answers to the following questions as soon as
possible.  Any help I could get would be greatly appreciated.  Thank
you.

1)  Which Super Bowl winner was awarded the first Vince Lombardi
Trophy?

2)  Who was the only player on the combined Super Bowl I rosters
(Green Bay Packers and Kansas City Chiefs) who did not play in the
game?

3)  How many Super Bowl MVPs played for the losing team?

Thanks again.
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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.YCC.YALE.EDU (Go GIANTS!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Superbowl win--> GLORY (was Re: Dangerous Dan)
Date: 2 Oct 92 19:28:20 GMT
Article-I.D.: QM.Adriene_Nazaretian.44.718054100
Organization: Yale University Computing & Information Systems

In article <1992Oct2.185055.26205@ncar.ucar.edu> gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
>Subject: Re: Dangerous Dan
>Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:50:55 GMT

>as> Ashish Sagar

>as> Whether Dan breaks records or Moon does, whats the point unless they can
>    carry their team to the Super Bowl and win it?

>  1) The Super Bowl is only one game.
>  2) The Super Bowl has only been around since 1966. Lots of good QBs have
>     never had a chance to play in it.
>  3) The best QB in the world isn't going to singlehandedly take an entire
>     team of lousy players to the Super Bowl and win it. One excellent play-
>     er and 21 crappy ones don't get very far.
>  4) A mediocre QB on a really good team can get to the Super Bowl and be a
>     part of the win. That was the knock against Rypien last season. Give a
>     QB an excellent running back, offensive line, receivers and defense, and
>     he can't help but win.

>as> Thats where QBs like Montana and Kelly (though not won a super bowl but
>    taken the Bills twice there) outshine and stand way above Qbs only break-
>    ing records.  These are the QBs that one can say are premiere QBs and
>    dangerous Qbs. 

>  Ha. Is Joe Namath a better QB than John Elway, because B'way Joe won it all
>  of *once*, but Elway's been in (well, there at least) the SB three times?
>  Is Jim McMahon a better QB than Dan Fouts was, because he was lucky enough
>  to be on the '85 Bears team?

>  Believe it or not, the Super Bowl is not the Alpha and Omega of football.

But lets face it, thats where the glory is.

And those SB rings look mighty fine on one's hand.
And you DO go into the history books as a superbowl winner.
AND you will probably command more salary after doing so.
By the way you also get HUGE bucks for commercial promos after winning an SB.
Lets not forget Joe parading around in those hanes undies....

P.S.  I hope Elway makes it to the SB for the 4th time, just to make the 
history as the most losing SB QB!  
 
Adriene L. Nazaretian        
Yale University              
ADRIENE@YALEADS.BITNET        
ADRIENE@YALEVM.YCC.YALE.EDU
From: ic1a+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ian Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: historical question
Date: 29 Sep 92 14:38:11 GMT
Organization: University Libraries - Technical Service, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Hi,

I wanted to find out : 

1)  which were the strongest teams in the early 80s? 

2) . . .  the very late 70s? 

3) & what where the strong points of these teams? (ie strong passing
attack, good run defense, all round consistency, etc.)

4) who were the star players?

5) when did Joe Montana begin with the 49ers?   when did Jerry Rice
begin with the Niners?

6) lastly, (this might be slightly biased) between the dominance of the
Steelers and the ascendency of the 49ers, was there a team that, if it
did not win as many Super Bowls as those others was also contender? (in
terms of divisional dominance, strength and balance of team; I know this
question is similar to the first two)

Please send your opinions (and/or stats!) directly to my account or post
them to the bboard, either is fine; thanks, I'm very interested in
finding out.
 
From: ashton@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ashton Delahoussaye)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 23:27:07 GMT
Subject: Re: The Broncos have an offense again!  (or Who'da Thunk it!)
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

In rec.sport.football.pro, drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall) writes:

> >
> >That's the story, thanks for tolerating my rantings!
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >Broncos fan no matter what!
> 
> Hmmm. I can't believe the way some people get carried away. 
> The Broncos scored no TD's in their last game against the Browns. I believe
> the Browns have a good defense, but not the best in the NFL. 
> 
> I know some people would just look at the stats and say that the offense is 
> good, but you have to start with the most important stat, points.
> 
> Of course, I could be prejudice:

It's true that the Bronco's offensive game was not impressive; however
given how poorly they've played thus far this season, any glimmer of hope
is greatly appreciated.

I think that Doug realizes that the Broncos have enough offensive talent
to score 21-28 points a game; but the offense hasn't jelled yet, and there
have been too many injuries to key offensive players.

Right now Bronco fans are grateful that they're 3-1, but expect alot more
offensively.  The hope is that the Cleveland game will get the offense
going.

I think the offense will be in gear by mid-season.  If they can keep close
to the top until the offense comes around, they'll be in position to make
a good run in the playoffs, but right now we have to hold our noses and
hope for the best.


Ashton

Bronco Zealot
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From: centry@athena.mit.edu (Jae H Nam)
Subject: Re: EAGLES vs BILLS???
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:04:53 GMT

In article 6278@tropix.uucp, bng@tropix.uucp (Baldwin Ng) writes:
>> Does anybody knows when Philadelphia Eagles will play
>> against Buffalo Bills in the coming months?  Did they 
>> (Bills) ever play against Eagles this season yet?
>> Will there be a home game at Buffalo where Bills will
>> play against visiting Eagles?  Please excuse my ignorance
>> of NFL,  I have not really got into it until this
>> season.
>> 


In article <lckcpmINN63i@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>,
 deguc@holein1.Corp.Sun.COM (Bob Deguc) responded: 
>The next time that it will be a possibility for the Eagles and Bills to
>play is next season (it's not an absolute either, but it's a good
>bet).  There is no way of knowing where the game will be played as this 
>point in time.



The only way the Bills and Eagles will meet this year
is in the SuperBowl.

See ya, in Pasadena! :)

- o.k. so it's not a lock ... yet.


>BTW, there is no need to excuse your "ignorance", all you have to do is
>to read r.s.f.p for a week and you'll see what "igrnorance is all about


Ignorance is bliss....  :P
From: kevin@fastlane.West.Sun.COM (Kevin Janssen SUN Phoenix CSD 602-275-5537 x36)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Rules Question??
Date: 28 Sep 1992 18:49:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: kevin@fastlane.West.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: fastlane.west.sun.com


Rules Question regarding blocked punts and muffed punt receptions.  When
a punt is blocked and the punting team recovers the ball the ball belongs
to the receiving team Why?  I don't have a rules book, but it seems that 
blocking a punt is trying to catch the ball on the way up and would be 
considered a muff if not done succesfully!! 
 
I can see that the ball goes to the receiving team only because no 
change in possesion and the ball goes over on downs.  What if the 
punt was on third down, who gets the ball?  What if the blocked punt goes 
past the first down marker and is recovered by the punting team, who gets
the ball?

In the same light, if the receiving team muffs a punt, but the ball is 
not punted past the first down marker and is recovered by the punting
team who gets the ball?  Logic would say that there was no possesion 
change and the ball goes to the receiving team on downs.
~


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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 09:47:47 EDT
From: <LWH@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: nfl stats
 <1992Sep29.182023.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>
 <1992Sep30.092824.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>
 <1992Sep30.143628.20661@cs.tulane.edu>
 <1992Oct1.083143.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>

could someone please explain how to get acces to the nfl stats
that are archived.


thanks
From: kimes@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Kit Kimes)
Subject: Re: Bears-side
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 05:08:07 GMT

From article <1992Sep25.162437.375@walter.cray.com>, by (Jeff West):
> 
> Not sure what's missing on this team right now.  They certainly have more talent
> than in the "early" 80's yet don't seem to have to same FIRE!?  Has Ditka lost
> his enthusiasm?  Do they need a couple of ugly years to become hungry again?
> Are we overeacting to one bad Monday night performance?  

Well, I think their performance in the second half of the Saints game was
just as bad.  And they would have lost the Lions game if it hadn't been
for the last minute (second) heroics of the Offense.   In fact, the 
Offense has to be the key to how good they do this year.  Harbaugh and the
offense have looked very good at times.  There is some new blood on the
offensive line and it is taking some time to gel.  Keeping the Defense off
the field as much as possible has got to be a top priority for Ditka.  That
is why I think he is trying to get the running game going.  Plus the Bears
don't have  a lot of speedy receivers.  They have to run a controlled
offense.  The running game has to be a big part of that.  I also think that
Darren Lewis has got to get more playing time.

This is the first year that Chicago has had an all sports talk show during
the football season.  Believe me, these guys are all over the Bears 
(especially McCaskie (sp?)) like mesquitos at sundown.  They are brutal.
Funny thing is that Ditka has an hour show on there.  No love is lost.

Kit Kimes
AT&T Bell Labs (under contract to NCR)
Naperville, IL
...!att!iwcs!kimes (kimes@iwcs.att.com)
From: v073pzuy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (The Fierce...CROCO-STIMPY!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Patriots News 9/22
Date: 1 Oct 92 03:32:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <JOHNDOE92Sep26.160940@squid.inmet>, johndoe@squid.inmet (johndoe) 
	writes...
>i unfortunately have to agree.  macpherson has a point in terms of playing
>teams close to the vest, but when it comes to the weaker teams in the league
>which the patriots must beat if they are to have any chance at a winning
>season, they have to take a few more chances on offense.  the defense seems
>fairly solid, allowing only an average of 12 points, but this is against two
>of the weakest teams in the league.  la now averages 8 pts a game on
>offense, and seattle averages only 7.67.  la's 14 and seattle's 10 against
>the pats are season highs for both teams.  (will buffalo thus score at least
>41?)					     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ^^^

Now *that's* prognostication...

>-johndoe

					---Chet Zeshonski

First Half This Year:  Bills     56
		       Opponents 30

Second Half This Year: Bills     97
		       Opponents 14
From: twolf@cs.utah.edu (Tom Wolf)
Subject: Re: Dangerous Dan
Date: 2 Oct 92 15:06:32 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Oct2.173855.27014@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> asagar@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Ashish Sagar) writes:
>>Article 28145 of rec.sport.football.pro:
>>Although I am Canadian and have watch Warren Moon play for the Eskimos
>>there is no doubt in my mind that Dan Marino is by far the premiere
>>QB in NFL no matter how many records Moon will brake.
>
>
>Wheather Dan breaks records or Moon does, whats the point unless they
>can carry their team to the Super Bowl and win it.  Thats where
>QBs like Montana and Kelly(though not won a super bowl but taken the
>bills twice there) outshine and stand way above Qbs only breaking
>records.  These are the QBs that one can say are premiere QBs and
>dangerous Qbs. 
>
Sorry Ashish, I have to disagree with you here. Winning/playing in the super
bowl gets you the world exposure, but that doesn't make you a great QB.
Though Montana is in a class by himself, you can't say Rypien's, Kelly's, or
Marino's superbowl appearances caused them to outperformed guys like Tarkington
or Fouts. It's just that they wear able to stand on center stage for a while.

It takes a team to get to the superbowl. Without a team around him, a QB
can be great, but spend his time on a losing team.

Tom
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From: drhall1@pbhya.PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Subject: Re: Chargers win o-n-e game
Reply-To: drhall1@PacBell.COM (Doug R. Hall)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:54:40 GMT

In article <39033@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi) writes:
>
>
>SEATTLE 6  CHARGERS 17
>
>
>Finally!! A team SD could handle, at home. SD got all points
>in the 1st half, and then shut down Seattle totally.
>
>SD scored first on a long bomb to Miller who got 2 steps on 
>his man, and the Safety was late getting there. They scored
>again just before halftime, another pass from Humphries to 
>Miller [replay showed it might have hit the ground].
>
>Seattle was totally throttled. They lost Stoufer in the 1st half
>to an injury, and McGwire was picked off 3 times. They never 

How long will Stoufer be out?

>
>_______________________________________________________
>| Prashanth                    |                      |
>| U. of California @ San Diego | prash@raman.ucsd.edu |
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: HALF-TIME SCORES
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:28:19 GMT

In article <Bv9MuG.KCv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> glb50263@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Gary L. Blickhan) writes:
>jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:
>
>
>Why do you waste space with halftime scores?  You post Buffalo 6, 
>New England 0, and the game becomes a 34 point blowout!
>
>Anyway, the article never comes to the network until the game's over,
>so it's really a waste of space!
>
>-- 
>Gary Blickhan --Go Bills!!!   Before Bo Jackson, there was the one and only
>Stormin' GORMAN THOMAS!  He played baseball, football, basketball, track,
>bowling, billiards, golf, and then some.  (not all professionally, of course.)
>He didn't endorse a company because he'd have to wear all those shoes at once!.

Hey, if you don't like it, just "n" it or don`t bother to
read it.   BTW, that was the score at halftime....FYI,
some readers appreciate it.  Like I said, down a chill
pill.
-- 
  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
  "Fact are facts and will not disappear on account of 
   your likes."  -   Jawaharlal Nehru
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
From: cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Tough trivia
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 12:12:24 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Sep25.151645.2661@wkuvx1.bitnet>, spearkr@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:
> In article <1992Sep24.130252.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, cl129424@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>> 
>>   In all of NFL history there has been only one undefeated untied team
>> (the 72 dolphins) and there has only been one team to lose every game
>> it played (It was either the 77 Bucs or the 78 Bucs). Name the only
>> player to be a member of both of these teams.
>> 
>>              doug "I wish I knew the answer to this one" the dolfan
>> 
> 
>      Larry Ball, a linebacker from Louisville, was on the 1972
> Dolphins(17-0) and also the 1976 Buccaneers(0-14).
> 
>                                      Kevin Spear "Videophile!"
>                                      Western Kentucky University
> 
                   I think you're right. Give this man a cigar.

                                    -doug the dolfan

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From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)
Subject: Re: TEN BEST QUARTERBACK PERFORMANCES EVER!!
Organization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 16:19:53 GMT

tr> Tony Rutch

Name            Atts  Comp   Cmp%  Yards  AvgGn  TDs TD %  INT  IN% RATE
--------------- ----  ----  -----  -----  -----  --- ----  --- ---- -----
Bubby Brister     28    21   75.0    353  12.61    4 14.3    0  0.0 156.2

tr> a 164.7 rating

  Sorry. Max rating is 158.3, and Bubby didn't quite manage that.
--
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strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF
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From: gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: Cowboys can kick Bills Butt
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 05:24:38 GMT
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Distribution: na

<6381@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> rtcst3+@pitt.edu (Robert   T Conticello) :
>                                                                  Actually,
>  I don't have any more to say on this subject.  

Thank god.


Gordon
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The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Bermanisms
Date: 30 Sep 92 22:06:10 GMT
Organization: Chevron


Updated list of the Bermanator's classics:

   Reggie "Foghorn" Langhorne
   Vince Workman "my way back to you, babe"
   Thermal Thomas
   Brad "Colonel" Muster "who did it in the Laboratory with a lead pipe"
   Scott "Won't you let me take you on a" Secules
   "Who Framed" Roger Ruzek
   Steve "I got you babe" Bono
   Eric "Sleeping with" Bieniemy.

   Steve "A-Tisker-A" Taskers
   Toi's "In the Attic" Cook
   Barry "Never a discouraging" Word
   Andre "Bad Moon" Rison


Any other favorites?
(WORSHIPMORASTILL)
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: Re: NFC Central
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 28 SEP 92 09:55:41    

In article <kelbJ5y00VB1Q7r0MJ@andrew.cmu.edu>, Erik Karl Witte <ew2r+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes...

>What the heck is going on in the NFC Central?  The division is upside
>down.  Minnesota and Tampa Bay are both 3-1 under new coaches, Green Bay
>is under a new coach and at 2-2 along with Chicago, and last year's big
>surprise team, Detroit, is in the cellar at 1-3.  This should be an
>interesting year.

The Packers are at .500.  I'd be surprized if they finish the year 
there.  Just 2 weeks ago they got buried by TB.  But with 2 wins 
already 6-10 might be a possibility.

Tampa Bay is for real.  The pre-season predictions about how good Sam 
Wyche would be for Testeverdi's career seem to be correct.  I don't 
think they're like SB caliber but 10-6 might be possible.

I've seen the Vikings only once this year and that was in the 1st game 
where the beat the Packers 23-20 in OT.  That they have a lot more 
talent than GB was obvious.  Gannon looked bad and his stats since 
then haven't been great but I can't judge him on the basis of one 
game.  9-7 maybe but that's just a guess.

As a Packer fan, I'm sad to say that the Bear offense does look good.
I better not make a prediction for the Bears.  It seems to me that 
their big problem is inconsistancy (which is unusual for the Bears).

The Lions are also hard for me to read.  I think only the most extreme 
Lions fan would deny that they aren't playing real well.  I expect 
them to improve - especially Barry Sanders and go 9-7 anyway, maybe 
10-6.  They'd have to go 9-3 to that.  Right now they're playing like 
a 6-10 team.

Let's see...  TB and Minn have to go 7-5 to finish 10-6.  The Bears 
and Pack 8-4.  Detroit 9-3.  Seems easily possible for the Buccs, Vikes, 
and Bears.  I doubt the Pack or the Lions can do it.

John G. Heim                                 Email:  heim@macc.wisc.edu
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