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From: KENKAHN@PKSMRVM.VNET.IBM.COM (Kenneth A. Kahn)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 06:28:37 EDT
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: HELP! SYS0025, SYS0027
Organization: Staff of IBM Fellow - IBM Personal/370
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM
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X-X-From: KENKAHN@PKSMRVM.VNET.IBM.COM (Ken Kahn)

In <719058360.F00074@monly.wlink.nl.wlink.nl> Rod Montrose writes:
>Organization: Project Technology, Inc.
>
>Gary Woodman (Gary.Woodman@anu.edu.au) wrote:
>: In article <1992Oct3.035643.20960@nwnexus.WA.COM> gregory@halcyon.com (Gregory Wright) writes:
>:
>: > I need help for a freind trying to install the new beta.  He puts
>: >in the install disk and reboots. After just a second or two the system
>: >hangs with
>: >  OS2 SYS!!0025
>: >  OS2 SYS!!0027.
>
>I got the same thing when I made a OS2 stand alone boot floppy.
>The problem is the OS2 Loader checks the volume label of the
>floppy and makes sure it is "NONAME". I had used an old floppy
>and added the boot stuff to it, and kept getting the message.
>--

CLose but not quite accurate.  These error messages are 'hard coded' on a
OS/2 2.0 Formatted Diskette, specifically on the BOOT Sector.  They are the
equivalent of the DOS "Non System Disk" message.  The specific meanings are

 SYS1475I: The file OS2BOOT cannot be found.
 SYS2025I: A disk read error occurred.
 SYS2027P: Insert a system diskette and restart the system.

You will get this error if you try to BOOT from a disk that has not been
prepared with the OS/2 V2 SYSINSTX program to add the BOOT Sector.
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From: ddulay@jarthur.claremont.edu (Daniel Dulay)
Subject: Word for windows 2.0b under beta
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 03:21:01 GMT

It is well known that the winos2 3.1 beta has problems with word 2.
However, has anyone tried the latest bug fix under winos2?  Do all of the
new features work?

Daniel Dulay
ddulay@jarthur.claremont.edu

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: olea@hal.nta.no (Ole J. Anfindsen FDA)
Subject: Enhanced Editor
Keywords: EPM
Organization: Norwegian Telecom Research
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 07:01:13 GMT

I understand that the Enhanced Editor of OS/2 2.0 offers certain
benefits to programmers.  I`m interested in C++, C, and REXX, can 
someone who is familiar with the Enhanced Editor please indicate 
what it has to offer?  A comparison with LPEX would be highly
appreciated, as I`m fairly familiar with the latter.

Thanks in advance.


-- 



Ole J. Anfindsen 
Norwegian Telecom Research
E-mail:  ole.anfindsen@nta.no

Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: andrzej@bnr.ca (Andrzej Bieszczad)
Subject: Re: Corel Draw 2.5 for OS/2 2.0
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.,
	<1992Oct10.015552.1573@actrix.gen.nz>
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:29:45 GMT


Have you heard (BYTE, Special Issue on Windows) that Corel will not build
version 3.0 as a native OS/2 application? The reason they stated is that
the emulation of Windows under OS/2 is so wonderful that they do not
have to do it. Haven't they heard about 32-bits, multithreading, etc. ?!
I personally do not like CorelDraw at all, but from what I have seen, it
could only benefit from the additional features that could be added ONLY
under OS/2 (multiple threads come first to mind).


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From: 870086t@dragon.acadiau.ca (Shannon Tremblay)
Subject: MS Word for OS/2
Keywords: MS WORD, OS/2
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:49:16 GMT

hi all,

does anyone have first hand experience with MS Word for OS/2.
I read an article in PC/Computing ( August, '92 ) that states
that Word for OS/2 is not as fast as Word for Windows, depending
on the task being performed.

Is this true?
If so, what is the purpose of going to a 32bit operating system.
I thought it was supposed to be faster, as well as multi-tasking!!

The next question is obvious; do I buy MS Word for Windows or for 
OS/2 ? 

Any Ideas,

Shannon Tremblay
Computer Science Student
Acadia University
NS, Canada

shannon.tremblay@acadiau.ca


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From: sasghw@pica.unx.sas.com (Greg Wust)
Subject: File Comparing Program
Originator: sasghw@pica.unx.sas.com
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:41:21 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.
Keywords: compare difference


I have just discovered a program called XDIFF for the Unix world
that graphically compares two revisions of a file (or two files)
side by side with clear highlighting of changes, additions,
etc.

Does anyone know of anything like this that exists under OS/2,
Windows, or DOS to use in OS/2 2.0 (I mean, real side by
side viewing and all, not a little report like DOS's COMP).

Tremendously helpful in tracking programming codes changes, todo
lists, documentation edits, etc.

Thanks.  Greg

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From: FLATSCHER.Rony@f1.n100.z60.wlink.nl (FLATSCHER Rony)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: simple q: bigger windows? scrollable windows?
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1992 21:29:57 -0100

Organization: Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Vienna, Austria

Harry:

Maybe the following trick helps you:

   - Get the object menu of CLI-object (OS/2-window, MB2)
   - Open "settings", choose "program"
   - Enter "CMD.EXE" in path and file-name
   - Enter "/K mode co80,35" as parameter (which tells OS/2 to keep the
     session in which initially the command "mode co80,35" is executed,
     meaning 80 lines and 35 lines; change the command to whatever you
     want
   - Save and start the session; in the above example you will get a
     screen with 35 lines (could be 100 too if "mode co80,100")
   - If you want OS/2 to automatically adjust the window (to get rid of
     the scroll bars): Press the Shift-key and klick the maximize-button;
     from now on the window will be fully shown
   - If you want to scroll via the key-pad, check the Scroll-menu-option
     in the OS/2-window system-setting (left upper icon in frame) and you
     use key-up and key-down to scroll

---rony
From: msaletni@jade.tufts.edu (Michael J. Saletnik)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Odd TE/2 & WP4WIN interaction
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:21:28 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

I had a very odd problem, and I'm wondering if anyone else has
experienced it.  The system is an 8meg Packard Bell 486/33, running in
standard VGA mode.  I have most of the patches installed.  I have the
most recent WordPerfect for Windows interim installed, running
seamlessly.  I also have the most recent Commpak2 & TE/2.

I had both going together on the desktop, TE/2 dialed in at 9600, WP
editing a file.  I unfortunately have forgetten the exact order of trying to
exit the two programs, but I did an <alt>-x and answered "Y" to exit
TE/2, and I did a [File] [Exit] to WordPerfect.  I believe I exited WP
first, but cannot be sure (this was at home, not here at work).

The TE/2 window cleared black, but would not go away.  No matter what I did
with double-clicking, choosing close from the window list, nothing
would make TE/2 go away.  WordPerfect did NOT appear in the window list.

So I opened an OS/2 window, and ran PROCS (from ftp-os2).  It showed
TE/2 *and* showed a Sysinit of WordPerfect running.  I tried to KILLEM
TE/2 and it still wouldn't die.  So I did a KILLEM to the WP process
(which, remember, didn't show on the window list), and with that, TE/2
disappeared.  PROCS showed them both to be gone.

So what is causing these two programs to deadlock each other?  Any ideas?

					Michael
--
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Department of Civil Engineering Computer Lab TA / to be utterly and
michael@binkley.ext.tufts.edu (daily uucp)     / completely wrong.
From: swix@prism.gatech.edu (SWIX,SCOTT R)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: MMPM/2 Information
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:39:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: prism.199210150339.AA06209


  The OS/2 Multimedia Extensions (MMPM) requires OS/2 2.0, and 
  supports CD's, digital audio, MIDI, videodisc players, etc.
  Support for digital video and analog video windowing has been
  announced, and some products are shipping such as support for 
  for the IBM ActionMedia II adapter.

  The internal software of MMPM provides device management and context
  switching, synchronization, automated image or audio data translation
  between file formats.  Text-string and C-level message programming
  interfaces are provided which define and support standardized commands
  for device control.  Your application would use the same commands for 
  all devices of a class, and there is substantial crossover of the 
  commands among device types.

  Both the Toolkit and the Run-Time system include various sample 
  applications and drivers for some of the first products supported.
  For example, Release 1.0 includes audio and MIDI drivers for the 
  IBM M-Audio Adapter/A, some CD-ROM drives, the Pioneer LDV8000 and
  LDV-4000 videodisc players, etc.

  Creative Labs has recently made audio drivers available for their
  product(s), and the digital video drivers for the ActionMedia II
  boards became available on July 31.  IBM has also announced that
  support for the IBM M-Motion Video Adapter/A will also be made
  available before the end of the year.

  It is similar to though more powerful than the Windows multimedia 
  extensions.


Scott R. Swix
IBM Visual Subsystems Development
and Georgia Tech
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From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: File Comparing Program
Keywords: compare difference
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:58:09 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct13.190346.979@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>
>I know of an OS/2 program called contrast.exe which does what you
>want.  I don't know where to find it, though.  It was in use at a job
>I once had and I forgot to bring it home with me.  I believe it is
>shareware. 

A followup here.  It turns out that contrast.exe is an IBM "internal
use only" app.  When I used it, I was working for an IBM business
partner that was able to (legally) have it.  Hopefully, IBM will ship
it with one of their utility packs or place it on
software.watson.ibm.com for the rest of us.  It is a very useful
application.

-- 
David Charlap         |"there aren't 50,000 things for which it's worth writing
dic5340@hertz.njit.edu| software; and the computer industry doesn't have enough
----------------------+ programmers to create that much good software.
Therefore, most of it must be worthless" -- Boris Beizer "The Frozen Keyboard"
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: hartzman@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Les Hartzman)
Subject: PMFax Phone Number?
Followup-To: hartzman@kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov
Keywords: PMFax
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:56:40 GMT

Can someone that is using PMFax please post/email the phone number for the
company.  I'd like to call and see if they support a FAX modem I'm interested
in buying.

Thanks.

Les



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Jet Propulsion Laboratory   M/S 238-528    (818) 354-5964
4800 Oak Grove Dr., Pasadena,  CA.  91109
From: marten@feki.toppoint.de (Marten Feldtmann)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Enhanced Editor 5.51 -> error when leaving
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 10:27:58 GMT
Organization: Private OS/2 System

Just for information purposes:

I installed the new epm.exe (version 5.51) and have a strange problem
with it. I think, that someone mentioned this earlier in the news, but I
could not found this message on my site.

When I'm leaving epm.exe and close the last (or the only) window of it
(perhaps I edited several texts..) the epm.exe produces an error:

 adr: 19f471ba: ETKE551.DLL 0019 .......

The strange thing is, that this error does NOT happen, if another big
program is running. For example now I have a OS/2 shell running in a
window (writing this text). Starting epm.exe  and leaving it: no
problem.

Leaving this program and starting epm.exe results in the same error. I
have only the "clock" and "bitfax" running in the background.

MF



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E-Mail: marten@tpki.toppoint.de, FAX possible
From: steveh@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Steven Hayes)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: Corel Draw 2.5 for OS/2 2.0
Date: 9 Oct 92 03:23:00 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, RMIT, Melbourne, Australia

adhir@cygnus.umd.edu (Alok Dhir) writes:

>Also, I noticed in the Service
>Pack announcement, one of the corrections was that a message box could take
>ove up the system (or something like that)...is this Corel Installation thing
>a result of the message box thing?

If the install program uses a "System modal" dialog box, then I believe that
you won't be able to access any other windows, until its served its purpose.
This doesn't mean that the rest of the system isn't pre-emptively multitasking,
it just means that you can't do anything else until the install completes.

It would be very stupid of Corel to a system modal dialog though. Can anyone
think of a good reason?

-- 
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   Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology (RMIT)  |  +61 3 660-2693
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A)
Subject: Re: Seamless Mode
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 03:38:44 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.022827.3815@netcom.com> bob@netcom.com (Bob Becker) writes:
>I keep seeing references to programs running in Seamless Mode.
>What does that mean?

It means that your Windows apps are run from the OS/2 desktop, NOT the Windows
desktop.  I think the word 'seamless' come from the fact that
Windows as a whole is run 'under' OS/2, and there is a 'seam' where ONLY
the Windows app 'pokes through'.
-Dan

-- 
Dan Stephenson, a *true* FORTRAN Hacker                        das9674@usl.edu  
"I have never understood why it should be neccessary to become irrational in
 order to prove that you care. Or indeed why it should be neccessary to prove
 it at all."  -Avon (Blakes 7 _The Duel_)               
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: css0860@zeus.tamu.edu (CSS)
Subject: Quattro finding floppy drives
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Reply-To: css0860@zeus.tamu.edu
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 16:37:00 GMT

Has anyone had a problem with quattro finding floppy drives under OS/2 2.0?

-css

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From: hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: Re: File Comparing Program
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:24:08 GMT
Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab

tom@anl433.uucp (Tom Leitner) writes:
>sasghw@pica.unx.sas.com (Greg Wust) writes:
>: I have just discovered a program called XDIFF for the Unix world
>: that graphically compares two revisions of a file (or two files)
>: side by side with clear highlighting of changes, additions,
>: etc.
>: 
>: Does anyone know of anything like this that exists under OS/2,
>: Windows, or DOS to use in OS/2 2.0 (I mean, real side by
>: side viewing and all, not a little report like DOS's COMP).

>A program called VCOMP (visual compare) comes with the ESDTOOLS on the
>OS/2 DAP CD. I think its what you're looking for.

There is also an older comparison program CONTRAST that I think I dug
up on ftp-os2.nmsu.edu, just don't ask me where. Might have been 
pub/os2/all/somethingorother.

Tom
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: tom@piassun1 (Tom Leitner)
Subject: Re: MMPM Questions
Organization: Technical University of Graz, Austria
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 06:56:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct12.010821.19292@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com> stoen@katana.pcpd.hou.compaq.com (Rick Stoen) writes:
>My other question was, assuming I get it to work somehow what does it
>do? Can I define "trigger" events to play sounds like with Windows?

I don't think you can define "trigger" events like in windows. I found
no documentation about that. 

I got another question, though. Can a NEC CDR84 CD ROM drive be used to
play audio CDs together with the MMPM/2. The NEC runs without problems
but the "CD ROM Explorer" CDEXPL.ZIP I found on hobbes refuses to play
audio CDs. And so does the CD player software that comes with the MMPM.

I presume that both want to play the Audio CD via the connector directly
on the CD-ROM (cinch connector) and not via a sound card.

Is it possible to play CD Roms via a Sound card as well ? How ?

Thanks for any hints everyone in advance.

Tom Leitner, Graz, Austria


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From: butler@hurricane.cs.odu.edu (Prince F. Butler)
Subject: Re: WfW 2.0 runs out of memory
Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, VA, USA
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:38:31 GMT

A couple of days ago I started to get the same problem with procom for 
windows.  I only had one program running and it was telling me I was out
of memory.  My machine froze and I had to reboot.  I don't know if this is
related but a coouple of days ago I opened up a dos window and the hard disk
started making read/write noises.  This went on for a couple of minutes.
I wasn't doing anything in the dos window, no applications were running in
background, and I hadn't been doing anything compute intensive.  
Anybody out there have any ideas what may have caused these things to happen?
send replies to butler@cs.odu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: buhr@umanitoba.ca (Kevin Andrew Buhr)
Subject: Re: DOS -> WINOS2 settings
Organization: University of Manitoba, Canada
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:54:22 GMT

In article <Oct.7.22.58.56.1992.20556@gandalf.rutgers.edu>
lclarke@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Lee Clarke) writes:

   When I click on WINOS2 Full Screen, the Open, Settings, Session,
   I see only choices for a DOS session. Shouldn't it be WINOS2?
   And if so, how to change it. TIA

Nope.  Leave it the way it is.

The WIN-OS/2 Full Screen command runs the (DOS) program "WINOS2.COM".
This program is similar to Microsoft's "WIN.COM" except it is designed
to coexist with OS/2 while running like "WIN.COM" in "Standard" mode.

Because "WINOS2.COM" is a DOS program, it should be run in a DOS
session.  If you specify a Windows program directly (like
"EXCEL.EXE"), OS/2 will let you choose a Win-OS/2 session, and the
"WINOS2.COM" support will be loaded automatically.

Kevin Buhr <buhr@ccu.UManitoba.CA>
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: 1-2-3 v. 3.1 under OS/2
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:08:42 GMT

In article <BvuzqC.1pC@doppler.ncsc.org> kmoore@ncsc.org (Kevin Moore) writes:
>I am unable to run 1-2-3 v. 3.1 under OS/2. Is there anyway to get this
>running without having to boot DOS? Is there an FAQ for this list?

Have you checked your OS/2 README file?  I believe the Lotus 1-2-3 3.1
info is in there.  (It does run fine.)

Lotus tech support also knows the adjustments.

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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Killer apps
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 02:02:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct9.152249.17196@njitgw.njit.edu> dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) writes:
>They should be multithreaded.  I know that the 16-bit FreeLance for
>OS/2 was.

Ditto 1-2-3/G 1.1.

Incidently, I'm pleased to see that a lot of what is coming on the
market now takes advantage of threads.  The 32-bit GammaTech Utilities
does a fine job, as does PMFax, and Sytos Plus.  (I mention these
three simply because they happened to cross my desk recently.)

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From: kmoore@ncsc.org (Kevin Moore)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps
Subject: 1-2-3 v. 3.1 under OS/2
Date: 9 Oct 92 14:47:00 GMT
Reply-To: kmoore@ncsc.org (Kevin Moore)
Organization: North Carolina Supercomputing Center

I am unable to run 1-2-3 v. 3.1 under OS/2. Is there anyway to get this
running without having to boot DOS? Is there an FAQ for this list?

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From: jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu (John H. Kim)
Subject: Re: MOD player for OS/2 2.0?
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:55:54 GMT

das9674@usl.edu (Stephenson Daniel A) writes:

>Hi there, does anyon know of a MOD sound player for OS/2 2.0?
>Running one in a DOS windows doesn't work too well - the music
>flips on and off too much.  I figure and OS/2 MID player would
>work better.

WOWII is a DOS MOD player that seems to work halfway decently in a
DOS box.  MTMOD is another DOS MOD player, this one was specifically
designed to work under a multitasking system like OS/2, Windows,
and DeskView.

There's a fella on Fidonet who's swearing he's going to write an
OS/2 MOD player the instant he gets his CSet/2 compiler.
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