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From: wehumble@IASTATE.EDU (Ed Humble)
Subject: Re: Women in Combat
Reply-To: wehumble@IASTATE.EDU (Ed Humble)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 22:08:05 GMT

	
	There's no doubt that the US military isn't happy about putting women into
combat roles, but it's also pretty clear that it's going to happen whether they
like it or not.  

	My opinion is that the Pentagon should pick several formations and totally
integrate women into them.  Say, a carrier battlegroup for the Navy,a MEB for
the Marines, a division for the Army, an Airforce Wing, etc.  After a suitable
training period, these units should be tested (for the Army, the NTC comes to
mind.  I'd like to see how women would react in a near-combat situation) as
realistically as possible, and their performance checked against the Service
average.  Then you have two outcomes:

	1) The integrated units do as well as or better than the average, in which case
the entire armed service is integrated (women did't hurt combat performance so
why not?)  This is the most likely, since the women involved will be doing their
utmost to succeed.

	2)  The integrated units DO NOT do as well as the service average, in which
case it will really hit the fan.  The Pentagon can say 'We told you so' and
reiterate it's position of no women in combat roles.  Then Clinton will probably
ignore the findings and allow it anyway  :)  

	I really think integrated units would do okay once everyone got over the shock.
The proviso, of course, is that women have to be physically capable of the task,
which would seem to limit the number of women infantrypersons you'd see.  

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From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: Pornography and war
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:49:36 GMT


    A few years ago, I read an interesting article in a student publication
here at CU that stated that prior to sending soldiers to fight in a foriegn
country, the US army showed them porn movies featuring women of the
particular ethnic group involved. The point was supposedly to stimulate a
desire in the soldiers to kill the man and rape the women; and so make them
more fierce.

   Any comments? Experiences?

   In the DoD newsbriefings a few weeks ago there was mention of a base 
where the commander had banned Playboy from the PX. Playboy protested to
the DoD. Interesting.

DanZ

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From: rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Richard H. Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.war
Subject: Re: Women in Combat
Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:45:58 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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We have rehashed this discussion in several newsgroups over the last few years.
There is one aspect which the commission touched on but I have not seen
mentioned. 

Most of the movement and discussion has been to removed the restrictions to
allow women to volunteer for combat assignments. One of the points made was
this was unfair to the men since in many cases one does not have the option
of volunteering for combat assignments but are assigned into these units
for the good of the service. (As an example of this, my cousin enlisted in 
the Navy during Vietnam and went in as a hospitalman; He was assured he would
not serve in VN because he was a volunteer but the requirements of the service
(they needed medics) required that he be reassigned to a Marine unit.) What
would the reaction be if after the bans were lifted and female solders were
involuntarily reassigned into a combat role? I have yet to see much discussion
on this aspect of the situation and there needs to be more of it.




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From: gmccammo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Gary "Tog" McCammon)
Subject: Re: Pornography and war
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 21:26:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov11.204936.9023@news.columbia.edu> dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis) writes:
>
>    A few years ago, I read an interesting article in a student publication

Student publications=sources of IRREFUTABLY correct information... :)

>here at CU that stated that prior to sending soldiers to fight in a foriegn
>country, the US army showed them porn movies featuring women of the
>particular ethnic group involved. The point was supposedly to stimulate a
>desire in the soldiers to kill the man and rape the women; and so make them
>more fierce.
>
>   Any comments? Experiences?
>
*snort*. Yeah, _right_. 

--Tog (reading his copy of "Babes in Bondage" and ready to KILL for the
U.S. of A!!!!! :))

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From: randy@ms.uky.edu (Randy Appleton)
Subject: Re: Women in Combat
    <1992Nov11.205408.9168@news.columbia.edu> 
    <1992Nov11.180642.27283@ms.uky.edu> 
    <1992Nov12.230855.444@news.eng.convex.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 08:19:10 GMT
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:

>And I think that the politically correct liberals who are pushing for women
>in combat roles have no regard whatever for the combat capability of the
>armed forces--what's important to them is that women should have a good
>career path. To my mind, the armed forces ought not to be a vehicle for
>social experimentation--they exist for one reason and one reason only, and
>that is to fight. I oppose doing anything that might harm their ability to
>carry out that mission. 

You don't really mean this (I hope).

Long ago, many people didn't want blacks in the military.  Many people
argued that integrating the military would reduce the effectiveness of
the military, although there was little data either way.  Still, this
was a common belief.

Never the less, the military was integrated.  First there were
all-black units, and finally the races were mixed within units.  And
the military is doing fine.  Of course there are some problems with
racism, but no reasonable person suggests that we should re-segragate.

So, I ask:  Do you really mean what you wrote?  Really?  Are you
willing to accept it's consequences?

-Randy

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From: dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis)
Subject: How to get a bronze star?
Organization: Columbia University, Dept. of Biological Sciences.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 20:59:59 GMT


    My brother-in-law won a Bronze Star in Vietnam. Since he _never_
talks about his experiences there, I was wondering what kind of things you
get a Bronze Star for.
   The medal says "for valour or meritorious conduct" which could be just
about anything.

DanZ
(ps: my last three articles should not have come out as followups to each
other, but it appears in trn that they are. funny.)

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From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Newsgroups: alt.war
Subject: Re: Women in Combat
Date: 12 Nov 92 23:08:55 GMT
Organization: The Instrumentality
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In article <1992Nov11.180642.27283@ms.uky.edu> randy@ms.uky.edu (Randy Appleton) writes:
>dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis) writes:

>>    Recently there has been much talk of women and thier role in combat
>>here in the US.
...
>>    What other examples are there?

>The Israeli army back during the foundation of Israel is another
>example.  Also the Russians used women in many combat roles, not just
>as pilots.

Well, these are cases of back-to-the-wall survival; in a situation like
that, everyone fights. But this doesn't go to show that women should be
integrated in the combat formations of a regular army. In fact, there seems
to be precious little data--pro or con--about this. 

I would like to point out that neither the Israeli nor the Russian armies
now use women in a combat role; both saw this as an expedient of
desperation that was done away with as soon as possible. (I've read that
the Israelis found that units that included women suffered higher casualty
rates than all-male units. Apparently, the reluctance of Arabs to surrender
to women played a part in this--when confronted by units containing women,
the arabs would fight to the death rather than surrender.) 

>Several months ago I saw the air force Chief of Staff tell congress
>that he would rather *reduce* the effectiveness of the air force
>rather than allow women in combat.

And I think that the politically correct liberals who are pushing for women
in combat roles have no regard whatever for the combat capability of the
armed forces--what's important to them is that women should have a good
career path. To my mind, the armed forces ought not to be a vehicle for
social experimentation--they exist for one reason and one reason only, and
that is to fight. I oppose doing anything that might harm their ability to
carry out that mission. 




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From: hvaisane@cs.joensuu.fi (H. Vaisanen)
Subject: Re: Women in Combat
Organization: University of Joensuu
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 06:46:14 GMT

dan@cubmol.bio.columbia.edu (Daniel Zabetakis) writes:
>    I am wondering how many examples there are in modern times of women
>fighting in regular or near-regular units.

I don't know whether they will fit to your definition of regular or
near-regular units, but in 1918 the Bolshevik rebels in Finland used
women troops.


> I know that there were female pilots used by the USSR in WWII.

According to the memoirs of Marshall Mannerheim, Russia had woman
soldiers in WW I, too.
Newsgroups: alt.aeffle.und.pferdle
From: thimm@quine.ira.uka.de (Georg Thimm)
Subject: Wen do koiner me an Witz woiss, muss i hold oin drzaela
Organization: university of Karlsruhe, Germany
Distribution: alt
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 14:15:33 GMT


--------------------------------------------------------------

'S Aeffle un's Perdle laufad gmeedlich schpaziera. An a ra Kreizing
moinds Aeffle, se daeta weidar grad aus laufa, abar s'Pferdle will
links ums Eck. 'S kommt wis komma muss: 'S Pferdle dabt am Aeffle ufn Zeia.
'S Aeffle schreit, un bevor 's Pferdle sich entschuldiga ka, faengts
Affle nadirlich a z' schelda:

   Du bledar Esl! Pass doch uff wo da nadabschd! Herschaftszeida!

'S Pferdle will sich des nadirlich au ned bida lassa un moint:

   I be veleicht a Pferd! Kauf do doch a mol a Brill!

--------------------------------------------------------------

Un waer koin bessara woiss, der lachd gfaelligscht ibar den. Ferdig,
aus, Schluss.


Viele Gris a elle vom,

	Dschordschi


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From: hreutte@andy.bgsu.edu (hans reutter)
Subject: One of the most frequently used newsgroups!
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 21:27:35 GMT

NOT! I knew there was a newsgroup for every shitty topic
but this...

Flames away!

.hlr.
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From: michael@chpc.utexas.edu (Michael Lemke)
Subject: Re: I Give Him Permission
Organization: The University of Texas System - CHPC
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 01:51:31 GMT

In article <gi1cm62@Unify.Com> veit@Unify.com (Veit Irtenkauf) writes:
>In article <wunner.720732591@nova>, wunner@nova.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de (Guenter Wunner) writes:
>> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes:
>> 
>> >Kannse ma min Perd holen?
>> >Bitte?
>> >Nee, de bitt nich.
>> >   ;-)
>> 
>> Kannich mah snippn? 8-)
>
>Ha no, wenn de mi frogscht, I daet saga, dass des net Schwaebisch isch.
>Wa sonscht kennt des sei?
>

Platt.

Michael
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From: r4vanlyn@student.business.uwo.ca (Rijnhard van Lynden)
Subject: traubchen
Organization: University of Western Ontario
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:51:47 GMT

mit reinwein,
wird es gemutlich sein.

r4vanlyn@student.business.uwo.ca (Rijnhard van Lynden)
Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: heads?
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 17:43:30 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
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Can I run a four-barrel on my 351 Windsor using the original 2-barrel heads?
I'm not planning on a big carb (maybe a 600 or even smaller).  I figure on 
putting a mild performance cam shaft (nothing real different from the stock one)
Is this possible or a mistake of an idea?  I'm not sure on the valve sizes.  Its
a 70 351 Windsor.  Thanks.
Tom McCledon 
gt7038d@prism.gatech.edu

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Newsgroups: alt.hotrod,wiz.hotrod
From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Re: 351W Power
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 92 07:08:10 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
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All of the above Dave, the Cougar flies now! Can't wait to get the new one in.
Traded the remnants of my '65 Mustang for a lincoln 9" rear with the discs and
a Detroit Locker with 3.25's, and a few other goodies for my baby!
SCCA and Vintage are my goal, if they will allow my car with all of her mods.
If not there are some really nice roads around here to play on! Gotta smoke me 
two particular vettes, one challenger and a few others pretty soon.

Flyin' low
Millam

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Posted by: emory!naucse.cse.nau.edu!met (Millam Tackitt)
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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Personal to Phil Gunsul
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:47:58 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
To: hotrod@dixie.com
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***> Heya Phil...whereya bin ?
                             The wife and I are touring through the USA
for ten weeks in Jan/Feb. and I,ve lost your address. Wanna buy us a beer
when we get there ? Hey maybe you can advise of the best way to get some
wheels under us for $1,000 so we can do the big road trip ? Like maybe 
where to look first. We are arriving NooYork first week in January.
Yeah we're bringing *very* warm clothing. And pictures of the ute.

                                               ciao for now...
                                                            Bigfoot.

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Posted by: emory!minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU!rxkgre (Geof Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.hotrod,wiz.hotrod
From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: 351C - $100.00
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 06:52:07 GMT
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I saw this in the paper today:

For Sale 351 Cleveland, $100.00
Currently in an LTD II, 100K mi.
Runs strong

Only catch is, I have to pull it and I've
never pulled an engine before.  I'll jump in
with both feet if this is a real DEAL!!

Please respond!

Gary Huntress
huntress@npt.nusc.navy.mil
ghuntres@nyx.cs.du.edu

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Posted by: "HUNTRESS GARY B" <emory!npt.nusc.navy.mil!HUNTRESS>
Newsgroups: alt.hotrod,wiz.hotrod
From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Re: 351C - $100.00
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 09:12:22 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
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In article <1!-qfxl@dixie.com> hotrod@dixie.com writes:
>I saw this in the paper today:
>
>For Sale 351 Cleveland, $100.00
>Currently in an LTD II, 100K mi.
>Runs strong
>
>Only catch is, I have to pull it and I've
>never pulled an engine before.  I'll jump in
>with both feet if this is a real DEAL!!
>
>Please respond!
>
>Gary Huntress
>huntress@npt.nusc.navy.mil
>ghuntres@nyx.cs.du.edu
>
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>Posted by: "HUNTRESS GARY B" <emory!npt.nusc.navy.mil!HUNTRESS>

	I doubt that it is a 351C.  It is probably a 351M.  I don't 
	think that LTD II's ever came with a cleveland.


			Chris Demke
			Sun Microsystems
			chris@sundude.jpl.nasa.gov

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Posted by: emory!sundude.jpl.nasa.gov!chris (Chris Demke)
Newsgroups: alt.hotrod,wiz.hotrod
From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Re: Pistons: Cast Vs. Forged
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 20:45:24 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
To: hotrod@dixie.com
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>    What is the list.wisdom on cast vs. forged pistons?  I've
> run into a deal where I can get the forged ones for only like
> $30 more than cast.  
>    They will be going into a Olds 350, 9.5:1 comprssion, mild
> cam. No N20.  It will (hopefully) put out around 275 horsepower.  
>    I know that forged are stronger, but I've heard that they have 
> oil-control problems, and that cast are inherently weak, and
> work like standard OEM.   Overall, I think I'll go with forged,
> if not just because they're stronger, but I'd like some opinions
> first....

	I can't say I'm sure that it applies to your engine, but the word I
hear about forged pistons is that they are great once the engine is warm,
but before that there are oil control problems, piston slap problems, etc.
The problem is that forged pistons expand more than cast, so they have to be
loose when they are cold.  If you don't warm up the engine before you drive
it you can end up with some broken pistons.  This would only be a problem if
its in a daily driver/grocery getter car, but then again, only you know what
you are willing to put up with in exchange for horsepower.

	-Dave

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Posted by: Datsun Dave Coleman <emory!jarthur.Claremont.EDU!dcoleman>
Newsgroups: alt.hotrod,wiz.hotrod
From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: Stroboscope for sale
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 06:28:41 GMT
Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.
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I'm going to give the list people a shot at this before I post it publicly.

For sale:

One Ametek/ Mansfield & Green Strobette, Model 964a stroboscope.
This is a line operated unit that covers an RPM range of 200 to 6000 
on the fundimental and twice that on the first harmonic.  I have added
a jack to allow connecting to a Fluke 88 or equiv tach for digital
accuracy.  The unit has about a half an hour of operating time on it.
Complete with manual and (if I can find it) warranty card.

This thing lists discounted in Grangers for $160.

My price:  $120 

Reason for selling:  I got a General Radio Strobotach.  'Nuff said.

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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: 1955 Thunderbird For Sale
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 21:53:28 GMT
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FOR SALE:  1955 Thunderbird.  Snow shoe white.  Near show condition.  Hard
top convertible.  Comes with both hard and soft top.  Manual transmission.
Price negotiable.  Call Richard Spaulding at (908)462-1774 for details.
You can also contact me via email at:  cary@brahms.udel.edu

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Posted by: Cary J Spaulding <emory!brahms.udel.edu!cary>
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From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
Subject: 351W (C)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 05:44:22 GMT
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A friend of mine bought a 73 Cougar for the engine that it held.  The man said
it was a 351 Cleveland, but it looks just like a 351 Windsor.  The saler said
he had to put 351C parts in it (bearings, and oil pump).  The heads are small,
the water path seams to be Windsor, but the valve cover says: "351W (C)".  
The local ford dealer says its a Cleveland (just by description, he did not 
actually see the engine).  So guys, what is it?  Thanks.
Tom McClendon
gt7038d@prism.gatech.edu

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Posted by: emory!prism.gatech.edu!gt7038d (MCCLENDON,WILLIAM THOMAS)
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