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In rec.outdoors.fishing, fejd@ellis.uchicago.edu (Jim Drogos) writes:

> I need to use the collective wisdom of the net to find the best solution
> to a little problem. I have a few good rods which I would very much like to
> keep but the tips (last eyelet) are worn and groved. Someone told me to put
> a drop of "super glue" on them and it will fill in the imperfections and will
> provide a hard surface so as not to scratch the line. Is this ok?
> The tips are chromed or polished metal.
> 
> If this is not an option, how should they be removed to be replaced.
>

My understanding is that the tip-tops are usually attached with 5-minute 
epoxy or hot-melt glues that will break down under heat. You should be 
able to hold a flame under it until the glue softens enough to remove it.
Then install a new one with more 5-minute epoxy.  You can get these from
tackle shops or rod-building supply catalogs.
From: peder@tamarack.cray.com (Peder Sterling)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Lake turnover
Date: 6 Oct 92 12:56:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: hemlock.1992Oct6.075602.25871
Reply-To: peder@cray.com
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Originator: peder@tamarack


Would anyone care to explain the concept of lake turnover and how it affects
fish?  My basic understanding is that the surface temperature of a lake gets
colder than the temperature at the bottom of the lake; the warmer water then
rises, hence turnover.  But why don't the fish bite during turnover - all
I've heard is that "it makes the fish sick"?  How long after turnover before
the fishing picks up?  Does turnover only occur in deeper (30+ ft) lakes, or
doesn't the lake depth matter?  Do all lakes in a specific area turnover about
the same time?

Thanks for your patience with these questions...

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From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: re : rod building
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 13:10:48 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

maf@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Mark Forsyth)
>I would disagree. You can get Sage Graphite III RPL rod kits with top quality
>>nickel-silver real seat and good guides for around $200 (you only need to add 
>glue and thread) plus shipping from one of the catalogs I have.  I think the 
>factory version goes for about $400.  You can also sometimes find bargain 
>blanks - I met someone who got 3 Sage blanks for $80 each at a flyfishing shop
>that had nearly invisible cosmetic blemishes.  I built a rod with a blank used
>on a $300 factory rod for about $160 total.  I think that there is a difference
>in savings between building fly rods and spinning rods.  A friend who has built
>several rods claims that he saves about half on fly rods, but spinning rods 
>actually cost more to build.  I don't know whether this is because there is 
>more labor in a fly rod, or maybe just less demand or something.  

    I agree with Mark here. I built my Fisher rod for about half its retail
price (and didn't get that good a deal on the blank). The rods I'm building
now are both on Walton Powell blanks (which we got good deals on). Total cost
for these (with PacBay guides and Struble U7 seats!) will be in the $120 range,
where the finished rod from WP (Legacy) runs $354 ! But good deal on blanks
are not always easy to find. Get to know some small shop owners, they can help
you find a better deal sometimes. Mark mentioned Kettle Creek in Pa.; I bought
a bunch of blanks from them back in '84 or so and found them to give me a pretty
good break. 'Course I think I was buying in lots of 10 at the time...Also keep in
mind that there are some great blanks out there that aren't big names. Kettle Creek
used to carry a graphite blank called "Clearwater" which was pretty reasonable and
made a nice trout rod. Lamiglas blanks are often available for a good price too.

Another shop no one has mentioned for rod building is Hunter's Angling Supplies
in New Boston, N.H. They carry some top shelf components, and if you like to
buy preformed grips they are the best I've found anywhere. (603) 487-3388. They
carry a line of reel seats called Bellinger, which includes a delrin saltwater
seat which is out of my price range, but extremely impressive...actually all of
Bellinger's seats are impressive.

                                              jc in me.
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From: cloyd_j@apollo.hp.com (John Cloyd)
Subject: re : Clemens book info
Originator: cloyd_j@face_plant
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:24:53 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Apollo Division - Chelmsford, MA

Advanced Custom Rod Building (Clemens) is available from Clemens tackle
phone (215) 395-5119. It is product # 74-02-00 and costs $25.16.
Clemens also sponsors the club "RodCrafters". They send out a bi-monthly
newsletter with building tips. I used to belong a long time ago and
got some good stuff out of a 1 year membership. Most of what I got was
about building your own (cheaper) tools, etc. as at that time a lot
of people were focussing on weaving technique, etc. (generally making
your rod look like a custom van...) Anyone out there belong to this
club, or know what their focus is these days ?

                                              jc in me.
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From: sandy@cs.montana.edu (Colin "Sandy" Pittendrigh)
Subject: Re: Drift Boat Questions.
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, MSU, Bozeman Mt 59717
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 20:26:25 GMT

In article <38951@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> mellery@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Homo habilis) writes:
>
>	I have just spent the greater part of this past summer
>building my own wooden drift boat.  I bought a kit from a guy in
>Oregon who specializes in that sort of thing.

>			Mike
>			mellery@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
>
>
	Keep the rear end of the boat pointed back upstream. Get sideways
to the current as little as possible. If there is something you don't
want to run into, point the boat at the dreaded cottonwood log, suck-
hole, wave or whatever, and row backwards away from it. 
	A downstream wind is dangerous. Keep the rear end of the boat
pointed into the wind. When traversing the river from side to side, 
you have to get sideways to the current and to the downstream wind
some, it's unavoidable. Just be extra careful. The downstream wind
will lift up on the upstream gunwale, which pushes the downstream
chine deeper into the water, which increases the likelyhood of 
smacking a rock, and flipping the boat. 
	If you're a fly fisherman, you'll want to put one passenger
in front and one in the rear, so they can both fish simultaneously.
But that spreads out the weight, and moves the center of gravity
backwards, making the boat much harder to maneuver. Put both
passengers on the front seat when negotiating dangerous water.
Rear "knee braces" for the rear fisherman help a lot, because
they force the rear fisherman to stand further forward, right
behind the rower. That moves the weight forward some, increasing
maneuverability.
	When you hit a tall wave, push (forward) hard on the 
oars at the top of the wave, to keep from sliding back down.
When negotiating shallow water, always hit it head on. Never, ever
hit rock sideways. You can pop open a wooden drift boat like a
ripe water-mellon in surprisingly slow water that way.
	If you live in a rainy part of the country, (it sounds 
like you do) don't let water stand in the boat between trips. Get the
boat inside, or turn it over during idle winter months. Most important
--find some friends who know how to row. Otherwise you become a
bargain fishing guide. Good luck. Boats are a gas.     
/*=======================================================================*/
/*                Sandy Pittendrigh  <Sandy@cs.montana.edu>              */
/*=======================================================================*/
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From: plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: Funny fish story(Yer kidding!?)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:37:31 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.151527.5635@gw.wmich.edu>, 92anderson@gw.wmich.edu writes:
|> Just thought I would relate a funny fishing story that happened this last
|> weekend....I took my inexperienced friend fishing on a private pond, helped 
|> ...	...	...
|> My buddy threw the fish and rod away from him and ran screaming 
|> ...	...	...	...	... 

Now that you have his trust, take him catfishing, have him land 
a large cat by hand, but neglect to tell him about the 
venomous rays in the pectoral and dorsal fins!  

	-Pat.

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From: cs911037@ariel.yorku.ca (CHRISTOPHER P GEORGE)
Subject: Southern Ontario River Fishing for Salmon
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 02:44:31 GMT

Hello everyone,
 
I often fish the rivers of Southern Ontario for salmon in the fall,
especially the Credit River, Wilmot Creek, and the Ganaraska River.
I would like to locate anybody with the same interests and start up
a mailing list. What I would like is that whenever someone goes
fishing, that they mail the rest of group within 12-24 hours to let
us know how the fishing was.
 
I find it really frustrating to drive 50 miles at 6 a.m., only
to find nothing there.
 
Anyone who is interested, please e-mail me directly. I will add all
names to a mailing list. Whenever someone has a report, mail it to
me directly, and I will forward it to the rest of the group.
 
 
Chris George
cs911037@ariel.yorku.ca
From: v034292@plato.lsvl8.stortek.com (A Steaming Swedge of Chocolate Squidloaf)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Complete Fly Fishing Gear For Sale
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:36:54 GMT
Organization: StorageTek

Due to extremely wierd circumstances, I must sell some prized possessions. 
They are:

	1  Sage Graphite III (RPL) 9', 3-weight fly rod, $280.00 (paid $380)
		This is _the_ light-line specialists rod, IMHO.  Don't let the
		3-weight designation fool you, it's an extremely powerful rod
		if you need it to be, I have had no problems quickly bringing
		in trout in the 3 to 8 pound range.  Very versatile, all-around
		fly rod.  The rod is almost 2 years old, mechanically perfect.
		Help me lord, I can't believe I'm gonna sell it...

	1  STH  Fly reel, line weights 1-5, $45.00  (paid $90 something) 

		Fine quality reel, backing, loaded with Ultra2 WF3, very
		dependable, smooth disc drag, exposed rim.  Black matte finish. 
		Mechanically perfect, some minor nicks.  The line could
		probably last another hard season.  Almost 2 years old.

	1 pr Cabelas waist-hi stocking foot neoprene waders.  $45.00 (paid $70)

		Will fit any medium to tallish kinda person (I'm 5-11, 165 lbs)
		No leaks.  Very solid, functional wader.  I have some wading
		boots that I'll throw in, although they are kindof falling
		apart, they're still functional.

	1 Columbia Henrys Fork fly-fishing vest.  $45.00  (gift, I think ~$65)

		Almost brand-new, not even used an entire summer.  Olive,
		pockets galore,  LOADED with all my stuff, including weights,
		strike indicators, pliers, hook stone, floatant, tippet
		material, etc.  Very nice vest, IMO Columbia makes the best 
		quality vests around.

	100-plus flies, 2 fly boxes, $85.00  (at $1.20 per, $120.00)

		Mostly 14's thru 22's.  Probably 80% nymphs, 20% dries. 
		Dependable, standard patterns: Hares ears, Pheasant Tails,
		Golden, Brown Stones,  killer midge patterns, Brassies, etc.
		All tied by myself, the quality of these flies is better than
		you can buy commercially.  I have tied flies for over 20 years.

I would very much like to sell all of this as a package deal, $500.00. 
Although I _might_ part it out if there is enough interest.  This is all
quality, top o' the line gear, perfect for someone with the money who wants to
upgrade their complete fly-fishing selves, and by my calculations save $220.00!

	
--- Dave Ridge ---------------------------------------------------------------

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn Pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

---------  Reality is an illusion created by an alcohol deficiency  ----------
From: jfc@salmon.macsch.com (Jack Castro)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: World record "sturgeon" caught! (sort of)
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:03:56 GMT
Organization: The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation (MSC), Los Angeles, CA, USA

Several years ago, the submarine that was used in the movie
"The Hunt for Red October", caught the net or anchor line of a 
commercial fishing vessel off the Southern California coast as it was
departing the area. I believe that this vessel was not so lucky, and
sunk costing several crewmen their lives. 
-- 
 
Jack Castro                  E-MAIL: j_castro@macsch.com
(All opinions expressed are my own and not my employers.)
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From: "dennis waddington" <dennis.waddington@canrem.com>
Subject: depth meter
Reply-To: "dennis waddington" <dennis.waddington@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 27 Sep 92 22:52:30 EST

In article <1992Sep24.124426.2102@sysma.sussex.ac.uk> Nigel Ling
referred to the depth meter information given in article
<1992Sep23.113320.19644@cbnews.cb.att.com> and asked:

>How does it work?  Does it measure pressure?

I still have something that sounds like what is being discussed.  It is
basically a small thermometer in an clear plastic tube housing (weighted
so it will sink).  There is a small hole in the housing that will
only allow a very slow entry of water when under under pressure.  It
is left at the desired position for a specified amount of time, during
which it fills partially with water.  The level of water in the tube
relates directly to the hydrostatic pressure at the test position and is
interpreted as depth on the scale bar contained in the tube.  There
is enough contained water to maintain its temperature during retrieval,
so the temperature reading represents that at the test depth too.

It can be used in at least two ways.

1.  Cast out like a hookless lure and allow it to settle to the bottom.

2.  Lower vertically from boat to bottom, or even to several depths, to
    do a temperature profile to define inversions, thermocline or
    whatever you are after.

Very simple, easy to use and MUCH cheaper than sonar, temperature
probes and all that high tech stuff, but not fast (reading times of
5-10 minutes I seem to recall). If it is information you need about your
water, you should try one out.

Dennis Waddington
Internet: dennis.waddington@canrem.com
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: tomg@hpcvusc (Thomas J. Gilg)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Rod building
Date: 29 Sep 92 22:43:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvusn.1992Sep29.224340.7601
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Greg Sanguinetti (grego@bit.UUCP) wrote:
> Are you using REAL fast setting epoxy, if so then I would suggest a
> slower setting type.

Everyone I know uses the same epoxy brand - FlexCoat.   It takes
two days to cure, and requires ~8 hrs on the rod turner before it
stops migrating/sagging.   My typical batch fills the bowl section
on the bottom of a pop can.   Despite the two day cure time, I find
it thickens just enough in 10 minutes to become undesirable.  When
fresh, it goes on thin and even.

Sometimes, I use a hair dryer to heat the epoxy after its been applied.
Heat re-thins the epoxy and causes the air bubbles to expand and pop.

The only cracking so far is on my 2 wt after landing many 2-5 lb
trout and atlantic salmon - I can't figure :-)

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com
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From: jmd@cs.Princeton.EDU ()
Subject: fishing in boston?
Originator: jmd@kastle
Organization: Princeton University CS Department, Princeton NJ
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:04:47 GMT


hello,

supposing you had a night to go fishing in boston, where would you go?
I will be there in late october, and I thought I'd spend a night fishing
after my conference if there is anywhere to go and if the seasons are open
and so forth (we don't particularly have closed seasons in NJ, so I'm not
totally in tune with the fishing season thing. At some point it gets too
cold to stand around outside, and your flies bounce off of the ice, but
I don't think that will be a problem in Mass. in october.).

So, where should I go, and what should I fish for? Any good rivers, bridges,
boats (I'm a grad student with kids, so I can't spend tons, but hey,  I
have my priorities straight.)

I'll be somewhere downtown without a car, but I can take local transit and
walk about 5 miles one way.

thanks!
-john
-- 
John Danskin			|	CS Grad student
(609) 258-5386			|	graphics & systems
jmd@cs.princeton.edu		|
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From: plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: New Jersey Tuna Fishing
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 13:49:53 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.195250.29434@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, levesque@wahoo.enet.dec.com (Mark Levesque) writes:
|> 
|> Striped bass were also exploited to a critical point before measures
|> were implemented to restore the stocks to the healthy levels we now
|> see today.  But I don't wish to bog things down with a rathole about
|> what constitutes an appropriate sized striper to keep.

Just to convolute this thread a little more (or maybe just 
tie an improved clinch knot in it)...

I've heard that NC is the only east coast state that still  
allows commercial striper fishing.  Are there no size limits 
for commercially caught stripers in NC?  I was at the fish 
market located in the farmer's market in Raleigh and saw 
tiny 14-inch striped bass for sale there.  Talk about 
infanticide, particularly when the Ambermarle bass population
is in such obvious trouble.


		-Pat.

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From: jessie@IASTATE.EDU (Brent Danielson)
Subject: Re: Animal Activists
Reply-To: jessie@IASTATE.EDU (Brent Danielson)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 18:32:33 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.142158.24404@syma.sussex.ac.uk>, mapd1@syma.sussex.ac.uk
(Nigel Ling) writes:
> In article <tl3-mwA@engin.umich.edu> Robert Drongowski
<Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu> writes:
> >
> >Bow hunting season for deer started on10-1-92 in Michigan.  What does
> >this have
> >to do with Rec. Outdoors.Fishing??  Well, the animal activists were in
> >the woods
> >using whistles, banging pots and pans and playing stereos loudly in
> >attempts to disrupt  hunting.
> >If anyone in rec. fishing land thinks these people will not attempt to
> >prevent
> >fishing in the near future, then your kidding yourself.  Although I don't
> >personally
> >hunt (maybe I should take up hunting these activists!!!).   These people
> >want, and will figure-out ways, to disrupt fishing.  Count on it, and
> >remember, you heard it here first.
> 
> This goes on in England too - we have the hunt saboteurs (fox hunting).
> There are also one or two groups who want to ban angling, one in
> particular called the Campaign for the Abolition of Angling. These are
> small groups of daft people without much influence. What would be
> more worrying is if larger more influential bodies went along with
> this. In Germany, I believe, anglers must kill their catch if they
> fish, because in the German govt's eyes this justifies the otherwise
> `cruel' sport of fishing.
> 
> Nigel
> 
> 
> 
> 

I've heard that Animal Rights Activists prevented the filming of "A River Runs
Through It" using live fish.  Is this true?

I have heard that these folks dislike barbless (for catch and release
purposes)flyfishing even more than other forms of flyfishing.  They claim that 
barbless hooks penetrate deeper (probably true) and thus cause more
distress/injury or whatever (probably not true imo).  There is little doubt
that
they will act to put a stop to fishing though.





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From: mapd1@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Nigel Ling)
Subject: Re: Animal Activists
Organization: University of Sussex
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:21:58 GMT

In article <tl3-mwA@engin.umich.edu> Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu> writes:
>
>Bow hunting season for deer started on10-1-92 in Michigan.  What does
>this have
>to do with Rec. Outdoors.Fishing??  Well, the animal activists were in
>the woods
>using whistles, banging pots and pans and playing stereos loudly in
>attempts to disrupt  hunting.
>If anyone in rec. fishing land thinks these people will not attempt to
>prevent
>fishing in the near future, then your kidding yourself.  Although I don't
>personally
>hunt (maybe I should take up hunting these activists!!!).   These people
>want, and will figure-out ways, to disrupt fishing.  Count on it, and
>remember, you heard it here first.

This goes on in England too - we have the hunt saboteurs (fox hunting).
There are also one or two groups who want to ban angling, one in
particular called the Campaign for the Abolition of Angling. These are
small groups of daft people without much influence. What would be
more worrying is if larger more influential bodies went along with
this. In Germany, I believe, anglers must kill their catch if they
fish, because in the German govt's eyes this justifies the otherwise
`cruel' sport of fishing.

Nigel




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From: calinski@calspan.com (Peter Calinski)
Subject: Re: Baitcasting rods/reels
Organization: Calspan Advanced Technology Center
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1992 12:52:25 GMT

In <1992Sep22.131909.8479@fs7.ece.cmu.edu> jts@ginny.ece.cmu.edu (John T. Stonick) writes:



>>and took it apart to see if I could reverse the anti-reverse.  No luck.)  
>>
>>
>>Pete

>Why not just remove the anti-reverse?  Backreeling a fish to fight it is
>an excellent way to play a fish.  
>-- 

I agree but there is still a problem.  Most  reels can't be turned backwards.
Either the pickup won't pop out or it slips.  I even had one where winding
the line on the spool in the other direction  causes the spool to unscrew from
the center post.

Also, sometimes other people I fish with  - friends and children- use the reel.
I like to set the anti-reverse to minimize tangles.
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From: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing)
Subject: Blues migration underway...
Organization: Unixland Public Access Unix & Think_Tank BBS
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 13:30:04 GMT

Looks like the fall striper and blue migration is on the upswing. I
was at the Plymouth, MA power plant discharge late yesterday afternoon
and caught between 10 and 15 blues/stripers in an hour. Sizes to 12
lbs. And they were hitting on virtually every cast. It appeared that
they were feeding on pogies or mackerel, although it was hard to tell
from (yechh!) the remains of their regurgitated baitfish!

Surfcasters get out and enjoy...it doesn't get much better than this
for the next couple of months!


-- 
Bill Downing, President		Email: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us		
DOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC.
8 Doyle Lane, Hopkinton, MA 01748
508-435-4567
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From: plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron)
Subject: Re: Names for largemouth bass
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 14:31:41 GMT

In article <1992Sep25.121224.23366@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM>, kevin@cadzook.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Kevin.Dailey) writes:
|> 
|> 	How about a Lunker? (a BIG female largemouth)
|> 	Or a "x" pounder (Where "x" is the estimated weight; eg. A 10 pounder)
					  ^over-

					  -Pat.

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