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From: lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu (Larry Mulcahy)
Subject: Re: transform a resume
Summary: give up and embrace your career in the Destruction of Life industry
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Keywords: anti-sabbatical subsistence lifestyles
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Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 00:39:25 GMT

In article <ARA.92Dec31072235@camelot.ai.mit.edu> ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler) writes:

>I didn't say that. I said that most companies would not be interested in
>my skills and that the only exceptions known to me (cracking secret codes
>for the government or writing a program to determine whether we are under
>nuclear attack and to respond automatically) present me with moral and
>personal difficulties that I am not prepared to deal with. 

The kind of jobs you mentioned probably pay around $50,000 a year.
Lets say all that money goes to your head and you spend $10,000 a year
instead of your usual 6.  Still in 2.5 years you can save 100,000.
Invest this wisely and you can earn 6,000 a year in interest
indefinitely.  Will you sleep better knowing that SOME OTHER BOZO
wrote the code to distinguish geese and MIRVs?

>Since I have used the term "metawork" on two occasions and since I invented
>the terminology, which is therefore probably not familiar to people, perhaps
>I should explain it. "Work" is work that you do in the hope of being
>rewarded  with money. "Metawork" is work that you do in the hope of being 
>rewarded with "work". Metawork is quite cynically exploited in many professions
>and I regard it as a sucker's game.

Bleah, tell me about it.  I just spent about 2 hours today carefully
rewriting my resume in the format preferred by a certain headhunter.
It is a buyer's (i.e. employers) market.  I suspect about the best
arrangement possible for you is the "anti-sabbatical" where you work
to accumulate money to finance your personal projects (this term comes
from the book "Generation X").

The conventional employment scene just isn't set up for someone who
wants to keep coming and going.  If you don't find some way to become
financially independant, you will wind up getting forced to interrupt
your research and pound the pavement whenever the money runs out.  Is
writing a book possible?  Have you considered crime?

1 month a year seems unrealistic.  Hmmm, $35/hr x 5 weeks x 40 hours =
$7,000.  You could do it as a high-paid contracter, if you could
manage to line the contract up year in and year out like clockwork.

Larry Mulcahy
lmulcahy@nyx.cs.du.edu
______________________________________________________________________________
When they took the fourth amendment, I was quiet because I don't deal drugs.
When they took the six amendment, I was quiet because I'm innocent.
When they took the second amendment, I was quiet because I'm don't own a gun.
Now they've taken the first amendment and I can't say anything at all.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:55:24 EST
From: <F0O@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Ads for working at home

   I called one of the ads in the our paper today which said you could
make between $300-$500 week by doing assembly work in your home.  This
company said they would send me a catalog which would cost me $49.95,
with over 230 different companies which offered work at home jobs.  They
said I would get my money back on the catalog if I was not satisfied with
it.
   I've not pulled out my card and ordered yet, but it does sound ok if
the claims they make are true.  I saw a previous poster mention that
many of these places are scams.  Has anyone else ever tried this, and if
so, is it worth it?

                                                            [Tim]
From: icpa@iat.holonet.net (Tony Rodriguez)
Subject: International Software Jobs]
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:59:27 GMT

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From: Eli.Mantel@launchpad.unc.edu (Eli Mantel)
Subject: wanted: info on Japanese translator opening
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:49:32 GMT

Two or three months ago, there was a posting in misc.jobs.offered or
misc.jobs.contract regarding Japanese/English translation.  I didn't
save it, but have now become interested in it.  If you have information
on this opening, please post it here or email it.  Thanks.
				Eli Mantel (eli.mantel@launchpad.unc.edu)
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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu (Walter Lee)
Subject: Re: >>>>>  What is essence of SUCCESS
Reply-To: w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, MI
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 23:05:44 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.011134.10750@cs.wright.edu>, bclaus@cs.wright.edu (Brian Clausing) writes:
>For programming jobs, I believe that there is little
>correlation between social grace and technical competence (although I
>also believe that programmers should have some of both).  There are
>only three ways to determine rationally whether a prospect is suited
>for a job:  direct demonstration (usually impractical), evidence of
>ability, and testimony of ability.

I endorse this philosophy 100%, even though "faits accomplis" is definitely my
weak suit.  So of the three ways that are rational, only the usually
impractical one is really open to me.  I have a list of references as long as
my life story, unfortunately these cannot vouch for any "professional-level"
skills without lying; at least they seem to say nice things about my "work
ethic" and other stuff that is probably easy enough to come by in a buyers'
market.

>  What does a rote answer to a
>routine question have to do with expectations?  The simplest course
>would seem to be to state as directly as possible what is expected of
>an employee and also what may be expected of the company.

YES!

>A point that does not get much attention is that interviewing is a two-
>way process -- an exchange of information.  The interviewers want to
>know about the ability of the prospect, and the prospect has to gather
>information about the company to determine whether he can function
>usefully.  Silly questions such as ``What is the essence of success?"
>posed on the grounds that a reaction is desired suggest that the
>questioner believes that he has a guinea pig at hand and is indulging
>his whimsy.  It does not speak well for the company.  What the prospect
>can infer is that he is dealing with a fool who does not or cannot take
>his duties seriously.

Or worse, that s/he is dealing with someone who is playing psychological games.

>The ability to present oneself favorably is certainly a great advantage
>in interviewing and suggests the useful ability to present and explain
>other matters, too.  But simple superficial facility at interviewing
>ought to be a talent not much sought by sensible employers.

While "hitting it off" with someone is not a "talent" per se, it is not
entirely without relevance.  But using an interview as some kind of tool of
psychological evaluation leads nowhere good.

A thought that just occurred to me...  If some people can articulate the nature
of "success" more spontaneously than others, might it imply that success is
something some people actually think about, and some people don't?  Hmm...

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 Walter Lee                                          w2lee@argo.acs.oakland.edu

Did you move a lot of KOREAN STEAK KNIVES this trip, Dingy?
				-- Zippy the Pinhead
From: smith_m@wizard.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Will you share your ideas?
Date: 5 Jan 93 22:51:14 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

Greetings!

Just wanted to get some helpful hints from you all about getting myself 
employed.  I just gave my notice for my job- technical writer's job and am
looking fora people oriented job. 

I've done (and am doing all the passive stuff) want ads from the newspapers,
and have called local job lines, and take hints from friends about possible
jobs but so far nothing.  

I've gone on 3-4 interviews but someone else gets the
job.  Many times I am not forceful in my interviews because I am not sure I
want the job.  Then but the time I decide I do, someone else has it.  I
always send the thank you card for the interview, but, alas, nada.

So, now I've taken to sending my resumes to "people in the news" and their
organizations.  AS of yet, no responses.  I know it was a bold move, giving my
notice and all, but what I do at the university is not what I want to do.  And
the hiring freeze closed everything down.  

I want to enjoy my work as much as I enjoy my sleep (both the same amount of
hours) and so, must go out on a limb. 

Any helpful suggestions about getting my foot in a door would be greatly
appreciated. 

thanks 

meg
      "What you can do, or dream you can... Begin it...."
From: johnboyd@ocdis01.UUCP (John Boyd)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: >>>> What is essence of SUCCESS
Date: 30 Dec 92 15:07:07 GMT
Organization: Tinker Air Force Base, Oklahoma

In article <ssimmons.725722026@convex.convex.com> ssimmons@convex.com (Steve Simmons) writes:
>
>This may sound corny/canned but it is important for newly hired people to 

I have also read, in a couple books on resumes that canned questions
deserve canned answers.  The net effect is that they're the interview
process's version of 'Hal Guerney's Network Time Wasters'.
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From: johnboyd@ocdis01.UUCP (John Boyd)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - questions
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:03:18 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Tinker Air Force Base, Oklahoma

In article <C0I2wv.IEx@athena.cs.uga.edu> stanton@athena.cs.uga.edu (Catherine Stanton) writes:
[deleted]
>everyone seems to think that "y'all" is incredibly odd and obnoxious to
>hear.  :-)

Yeah. It sounds almost as obnoxious as 'you people' or 'yous guys'.  Beauty
must also be in the ear of the beholder..

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Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - questions
Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:04:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.053643.5551@rock.concert.net> alight@rock.concert.net (Alan R Light -- Personal Account) writes:
>As a Southerner, I would just like to say that this is the sort of
>"Damn Yankee" attitude that many of us dislike.  Some idiot proclaiming
>that you ought to be polite because they have influence, for example.
>You ought to be polite because they are people, members of the human
>race.  As for the nonsense, some of it is, some of it isn't.  Be a bit
>more careful in broad condemnations.

It's human nature.  This is why we have so many problems in human relations.

>Also, though I've lived in small towns or rural settings all my life
>(Y'all have probably never heard of Waxhaw, NC, where I am right now),
>I've never had "fairly regular visitations" from any religious group,
>except perhaps after beginning regular attendance at a church.  More
>likely, someone who visits regularly may talk about religion.

I know exactly where Waxhaw is.  It is not far from were I experienced
the "sidewalk preacher" for the first time.  I'm surprised you do not
see much of it being so close to Charlotte (just up Route 16 to
Providence Road, right?) but Waxhaw is a bit outside the city for you to
notice.  The only place I've been preached to more was in college (Univ.
of Georgia), but they made an effort to go door-to-door in the dorms
(this was when they still required freshman to live in the dorms).
-- 
scott barman			| <This space intentionally left blank>
scott@asd.com			|
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
From: plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - questions
Followup-To: alt.non.sequitur
Date: 6 Jan 1993 16:08:24 GMT
Organization: Brown University Planetary Geology
NNTP-Posting-Host: pilsner.geo.brown.edu

In article <184799@pyramid.pyramid.com> lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) writes:
>   Go down there and treat folks like you prefer to be
>   treated and you'll love it.  But be prepared for a lot of humor
>   directed at you....

   Humor is like a loaded gun-- how one perceives it has a lot to do
with which side of it you're on.

[Follow-ups anywhere but here, please.]
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - questions
Reply-To: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 18:38:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.173400.9311@bradley.bradley.edu> 
dave@bradley.bradley.edu (David Vessell) writes:

> Well, I for one must differ with the previous two folks.  I was born in
> Milton, FL and raised in Festus, MO, and most of my family is from
> southeast Missouri and Kentucky.  For the last seven years I've
> lived in Peoria, IL, and there is a very definite difference in attitudes,
> especially concerning religion and 'related ignorance'.  While 'fairly
> regular visitations from various churches' is a bit of an exaggeration, the
> attitudes I've encountered are pretty horrific.  The bible thumpers don't
> need to knock on your door....you run into them everywhere else anyway!

I think you're basing your attitudes on the people who
you saw as "visibly" Christian--those who make it a point 
to tell people about their religion.  I've noticed that for 
every "visible" Christian, there are scores of invisible
ones who would never push their religion on other people,
and who generally don't talk about it unless asked.  You
just haven't noticed them as much. 
 
>David L. Vessell 


Doug Holtsinger
From: wookie@terapin.com (Barry Vanover)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Work at Home??
Date: 9 Jan 93 09:48:11 PST
Organization: BBS

In article <3073@tymix.Tymnet.COM>, murrays@Tymnet.COM (Scott Murray) writes:
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I keep seeing these ads for making $$$ by working at
>home. There normally reading books or assembling
>something. They all offer a list of companies that
>are hiring, for a small deposit of $20-50.
>Has anyone gotten one of these lists and are they
>worth the time. I'm only intrested in part time work
>at home for some extra spending $$.
>
>Thanks for any info
>
>Scott

Most of them are scams!  I wouldn't bother.

Wookie
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
From: alight@rock.concert.net (Alan R Light -- Personal Account)
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - questions
Organization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 05:36:43 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.192259.15011@dcatlas.dot.gov> joet@dcatlas.dot.gov (Joe Trott) writes:
>
>Oh, one more thing about the South; one of the very few bad things I have
>to say about it.
>You may find a more pathological level of religion and related ignorance
>there.  You'll never wonder "Now why can't I find a bible-thumper when I
>want one?" because you will probably receive fairly regular visitations
>from various churches and religious groups in your community.
>Unfortunately, such groups probably have enough influence that it is best
>to be polite to them, even as you are suggesting that they bugger off.
>They won't be rude to you; sadly a great many of them probably actually
>believe the nonsense they are preaching at you.
>
>-JTT

As a Southerner, I would just like to say that this is the sort of
"Damn Yankee" attitude that many of us dislike.  Some idiot proclaiming
that you ought to be polite because they have influence, for example.
You ought to be polite because they are people, members of the human
race.  As for the nonsense, some of it is, some of it isn't.  Be a bit
more careful in broad condemnations.

Also, though I've lived in small towns or rural settings all my life
(Y'all have probably never heard of Waxhaw, NC, where I am right now),
I've never had "fairly regular visitations" from any religious group,
except perhaps after beginning regular attendance at a church.  More
likely, someone who visits regularly may talk about religion.

-- Alan
-- 
Alan Light | "Fearlessness is better than a faint heart for any man
Waxhaw, NC | who puts his nose out of doors.  The length of my life
           | and the day of my death were fated long ago."  Skirner
      <<< alight@rock.concert.net -or- alight@wheaton.edu >>>
From: lstowell@pyrnova.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Will you share your ideas?
Date: 6 Jan 93 01:59:24 GMT
Reply-To: lstowell@pyrnova.pyramid.com.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell)
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation

In article <1993Jan5.155114.1@wizard.colorado.edu> smith_m@wizard.colorado.edu writes:
>Greetings!
>
>Just wanted to get some helpful hints from you all about getting myself 
>employed.  I just gave my notice for my job- technical writer's job and am
>looking fora people oriented job. 
>
    Define "people oriented".   

    You want to be a kindergarten teacher, a musician, a poet, or
    what?

>
>I've gone on 3-4 interviews but someone else gets the
>job.  Many times I am not forceful in my interviews because I am not sure I
>want the job. 

   If at all you communicate this to the interviewer, its not
   surprising that you don't get the job.  

   Look at yourself from the interviewer's angle...would YOU hire
   you with that attitude?   


>
>I want to enjoy my work as much as I enjoy my sleep (both the same amount of
>hours) and so, must go out on a limb. 
>
>Any helpful suggestions about getting my foot in a door would be greatly
>appreciated. 
>
   Do both yourself and prospective employers a favor and sleep on
   it just a bit longer.  Decide what IS and what IS NOT important
   to you on a given job.  Once you've decided that, what
   qualifications do you have that would get you into a job which
   provides your wants or allows you to use current skills to get
   where you want to be.  But first it really helps if you have some
   idea of where you want to be.  Or if you honestly don't know, try
   a few different types of jobs for a while and hope something
   "clicks" or inspires you to either stay in that type of job for a
   while or avoid it like the plague.

   Remember your [prospective] employer is not your mommy....most
   prefer useful work in return for wages.  Strange that... >:-)

   PS, a lot of Marketing is very similar to tech writing, but
   you'll need to muster all of the vitality, energy, and rah-rah
   spirit you have to get into most marketing jobs....but the
   "people vs paper" attitude could be a start.
From: johnboyd@ocdis01.UUCP (John Boyd)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Query on Vector Marketing Corporation
Date: 30 Dec 92 18:00:31 GMT
Organization: Tinker Air Force Base, Oklahoma

In article <1hsi2sINNhf7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cb926@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Edmund Joseph Ryan) writes:
[deleted]
>I was hired to be a salesman to do direct selling. This is what
>was described to me: 
[deleted]
>As a member of the team, one would first pitch to their neighbors
>and get referrences. From there, I would visit the houses of 
>be required to rent a sample set of cutlery or buy it. 
>Rent costs $50 for the first month and $25 for the rest. 
>Workers in Vector get Cutco products for 65% of the official
>price. 

I would say that your gut is telling you the right thing.  Bail out now
with your checkbook in tact.  While I have no experience with this
*particular* company, the scheme..er.. scam is well circulated.  The
company hires hungry individual for sales, and the company basically makes
most of its money renting the sets to the unsuspecting salespersons. In
this day and age, I dare say most folks are bombarded by annoying phone
sales pitches, and I, for one don't open my front door to anyone not
expected by previous coordination or appointment, or someone not known to
me.  To cut to the chase, I'd bet all that you'll have at the end of this
experience will be a lot of frustration, a dent in your bank account, and a
set of knives that p*** you off everytime you look at it.  Keep searching
for a job opportunity more deserving of your talents.

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From: johnboyd@ocdis01.UUCP (John Boyd)
Newsgroups: misc.jobs.misc
Subject: Re: Northerners moving south - questions
Date: 8 Jan 93 15:07:18 GMT
Organization: Tinker Air Force Base, Oklahoma

In article <1993Jan7.205530.5447@asd.com> scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
[deleted]
>parents).  If something doesn't seem right to you and all you do is
>politely question it with the Brooklyn accent, you're branded a
>"damyankee."  If you're doing business and try to play a little hardball

Don't feel bad. I've met people from Foat Wuth, Tx, who thought anybody
from north of the Red River was a 'damyankee'!  But then, some of us in
Oklahoma refer to that land area down south as 'Baja Oklahoma'. ;:-{).

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