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From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: MOSAIC-sitting in the nose bleed seats
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:24:28 GMT
Article-I.D.: iscsvax.1992Aug19.142428.6129
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1992Aug19.141555.6128@iscsvax.uni.edu>, levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:

> you.)  I'd like to see Gerard deal less, at least right now, with the Mosaic
> world and more with the mosaic of John Stewart's mind.  Everyone says that
> John's supposed to be visting the funny farm, but I don't see it in the
> character.  I don't believe that John's really crazy or at least on the verge 
> ^^^^^^^^^
 of some heavy breakdown.  


        Sorry, that should have been character DEVELOPMENT.  I didn't catch
that until after I had posted it.  Again, sorry.

                                                Have a nice day.
                                                        
                                                        S H Y L O C K
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From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: rec.arts.comics.image?
Organization: Inland Sea
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 00:15:18 GMT

mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>Is there enough interest in rec.arts.comics.image to go through
>the motions of CFD,RFD, and so on?

>I can't be the only one who likes them!

Oh, I dunno . . .   

:-)

Seriously, let's wait until they get something comparable to the xbooks
popularity and sustain it for five years.  Or start a mailing list and
show that it gets overloaded.
-- 
 "Voodoun is a very interesting religion for the whole family, even those
  members of it who are dead."
		-- "Good Omens", by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett
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From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Subject: Re: Sandman, Hector Hall and the DC universe (was: Re: Sandam
Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 02:01:48 GMT

In article <Bt018w.KJp@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca> jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W Lai) writes:
>>It doesn't matter.  Lyta logically _should_ tell the JSA about it, and the JSA
>>logically _should_ consider Morpheus a super-villain, do some research, and
>>imprison him again.  For Lyta to not bother telling anyone is just as much a
>>dodge as it is for her to tell but nobody to listen.
>Logic?  You speak of logic?
>The JSA has dealt with Dream/Morpheus once before though, did they not?  I
>would think the Martian Manhunter would have a thing or two to say about the
>nature of the Master of Dreams.

So?  Superheroes are in the habit of fighting with lots of beings who are
worshipped by others.  All they'd do is tell the Martian Manhunter his
ancestral deity is really an evil villain, and go off in search of the
imprison-the-Endless spell anyway.  (Besides, MM is JLA, not JSA).

"But he's _real_!"

"Thor was real too.  We beat him."

"No, I mean he's _really_ a god.  I know it, with all my heart!"

"Oh, we'd better watch out.  This villain uses emotion control!"

There really _isn't_ any difference between the Endless and a super-villain
gang, from the point of view of someone in the DC universe.  The JSA can't say
"Morpheus is in a 'mature' comic which is written as mythical instead of
puncheminnaface, so we'd better not fight him"; that's the only _real_
difference, and it's irrelevant as far acting in and out of character.
--
I am of course experienced in teaching and have read the writings of Socrates.
    -- Ed Nilges

Ken Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
     INTERNET: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
From: levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Biz quitting Lobo?
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:07:17 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <BtBspn.C5K@matilda.vut.edu.au>, jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
> nudd@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Nai Ying Kwok) writes:
> 
>>Jed Bowtell (jed@matilda.vut.edu.au) wrote:
>>: birmingh@fnala.fnal.gov (Phillip J. Birmingham) writes:
>>: 
>>: >In article <bjm1.714116326@Ra.MsState.Edu>, bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann) writes:
>>: >> I believe he was..."relieved" of these duties...due to "inappropriate"
>>: >> artwork.
>>: 

> A question though. A friend of mine (art student) has looked
> at Biz's work in JDvBatman and seems to think that it is
> done with chalk on black paper. I really doubt this and
> think it is simply paint. Could someone tell me the main
> mediums Biz uses (JD&Batman in particular). My friend has
> actually created the Biz effect using chalk and black
> paper.
> 
> Jed

        Both of you are right.  Biz explores and utilizes both mediums.  In
JDvBatman, the panels where there are no color are his pencil chalk drawings. 
The color panels though, are done with acrylic paint.  Whether or not Biz
incorporates *colored* chalk in the way that you cite, is unknown to me because
I'm not familiar with all his work.

                                                S H Y L O C K

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From: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239)
Subject: Recent Releases
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:51:05 GMT

Just going through some of the new stuff that I picked up today. Oddly
enough, none of the Marvels and DC's really caught my eye (surprise,
surprise), but instead it was two of the independents.


Archer & Armstrong is just brilliant. Easily valiants best title. I
didn't like it at first, but it keeps getting better and better. I hope
BWS stays with this title for a long time. Also, there was good news
regarding The Eternal Warrior since it seems that BWS will be taking it
over in #6. Should do wonders to improve an otherwise boring title.

The other gem was the James Bond": Serpent's Tooth. Vintage bond with
tight story and great art. Makes me miss the movies, something I wsn't
doing after the awful License Revolked movie. Probably Dark Horse's
sleeper of the summer. Although nobody seems to be paying much
attention to Robocop v.s Terminator despite the creative team on it.

Garbage that Iwasted my money on this week
Shadowhawk #1. - Gimmick cover, lousy art and story.
Guardians of the Galaxy #29. Stupid Infinity war crossover and nice,
happy, friendly goodby to Valenteno, despite the fact they fired his
ass.
Darkhold #1 - 0/4 for Marve on Rise of the Midnight Sons. Exceptionaly
bad art as well.

Mediocore Stuff
Star Trek #37 - decent story, bland art.
Magnus Robot Fighter #18 - some sort of direction would be nice with
this one.
Spawn #3- I ant to dislike it, but it's the best stuff McFarlene has
done so far. Still struck e as a filler issue, however.

Good:
Shadow of the Bat #5- Nice story (actually rather depressing), great
Breyfogyle art. Second best Batman title being done. Best if they don't
fix up Legends.
Nexus #1- First time I've read it. Now I'll have to collect the new
series. Arrrgh!
Batman: Sword Of Azrael #1- Has possiblities. Don'tknow why it has to be
a mini-series, however.
Hawkworld #27- Yet another brilliant issue. Going after racism in the
next storyline. Should be interesting.

Anyway, justfelt the urge to share this with you. Contrary mind opinions
welcome.


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From: robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re:  A Step in the Right Direction (MOSAIC)
Date: 15 Aug 92 21:53:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Inc.

In message <1992Aug15.011404.1@cgsvax.claremont.edu>, carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu sez:

> Along with the previously noted sleeper, Hawkworld (which gets better with this
> issue, as it has with the last twenty-six), another title that I haven't heard
> people talking about much (anywhere) came out this week: Green Lantern/MOSAIC.
                                .
                                .
                                .

MOSAIC provides a distinct contrast to the regular GL title and also Guy
Gardner, that's for sure.  It's SOOOOOOO much more psychological.  A real
"struggle within" for John Stewart....not for kiddies, either!

When's the last time you've picked up a GL title (or any DC hero title
for that matter) and the *only* thing that got smashed was a glass
coffee table?  That was a refreshing change...as was the fact there are
only three characters in the issue (Mosaic #5).

People who haven't liked John Stewart in the past, due to lack of
character development or whatnot, are sure in for a surprise with
this title, especially if the potential for apocalyptic violence on
Oa is tempered with more of John's inner conflicts.

BTW, if you've read any of this week's new DC issues, you'll see an ad
for the (to me) long-awaited "Green Lantern: Ganthet's Tale" which 
was teased, weirdly, in Larry Niven's "Playgrounds of the Mind".  Does
anyone have a release date for this series, which is being done
by Niven and John Byrne?  (Byrne is appearing at Comics & Comix in
Palo Alto, CA on Tuesday, 8/18 from 5-8...I think I'll pop in and see
if he's promoting this.)
 
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From: wesselak@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak)
Subject: Re: Cages
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 15:27:58 GMT

mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar) writes:

>I'm very impressed with his writing.  The stuff that I have that
>McKean has done are:
>Arkham Asylum
>Black Orchid
>Violent Cases
>A double issue special of Hellblazer, the one just before Ennis
>took over.
>Cages
>And of course the Sandman covers.

McKean also did the first 20 or so covers for Hellblazer, and a handful of
covers for Swamp Thing (inked, not painted) around the time of Veitch's run.

Also the covers for Miracleman Book IV (#17-22)  And the cover for the paper-
back, I think.
-- 
"She looked at the man talking on a car  __| /  |__"I knew a Bates in Liverpool
phone in the Porsche beside her, decided __|<  /|__ who said that you were 
that he should die, and felt good all over"| \/ |   going to bring him back"
--Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children       Erik:   wesselak@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Help:  The DC Earth Scandal.
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:31:27 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

>>	I know that some of you out there claim that the DC earth crisis
>>is easy to understand, and all, but for me who has only two or three DC
>>comics in his collection, and the only one who attempted to explain the
>>crisis stuff to me was a friend a few years back...  AAAARRRGGGHHH!!!!
>>... Needless to say I have no idea how it works.  So is there someone out
>>there capable of explaining this crisis multi-earth thing to me from the
>>ground up, because right now it sounds like a bunch of hog-wash!  Perhaps
>>this is a FAQ.  But I have never experienced the DC comic concept (or at
>>least had a clue as to how it functioned!)
>>						wReam...
>>P.S.  This is Captain CoreDump signing off!
> I agree,I don't have the Crisis on Infinite Earths series and really
> don't understand what happened. Any posting or e-mail would be GREATLY
> appreciated!
> -p. minutillo

-p.
  I will post a summary of the messages I receive via Email here in a
week, if there are any more... (I've gotten two so far (thanks guys!))
						wReam...

P.S.  This is Captain NiceGuy signing off!
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From: wesselak@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu (Erik Wesselak)
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Big Numbers?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 02:51:47 GMT

hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng) writes:

>I remember buying issue #1 a long time ago and I was looking through my 
>collection the other night and I found myself wondering if I had ever gotten
>Big Numbers #2. So I went down to the dealer and they told me that Moore
>just hasn't done anything with it. Does anyone have any inside information
>or such?

#2 has been out for quite a while.  The delay in further issues is due to the
departure of the artist, Bill Seinkewicz (sp?).  Rumor has it that the artist
who did the backgrounds for the first 2 issues (I don't recall the name) will
take over all the art for the book and it should start coming out regularly
once again this fall.
-- 
"She looked at the man talking on a car  __| /  |__"I knew a Bates in Liverpool
phone in the Porsche beside her, decided __|<  /|__ who said that you were 
that he should die, and felt good all over"| \/ |   going to bring him back"
--Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children       Erik:   wesselak@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: 1993 Marvel and DC Annuals
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 08:37:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.134101.14530@zip.eecs.umich.edu> maser@engin.umich.edu (Steven Michael Maser) writes:
>
>DC -  Everything will be tied into a project called "Blood Line" where
>"each title will introduce one or more entirely new heroes -- and
>villians, too."

Wonderful.  We need more of these guys with their underwear on the outside, we
don't have enough.  Who buys these things?  They're probably just cashing in
on the success of BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD, can the aquatic avenger be far behind?

Oh, sprinkle smilies to taste (you never know, I could be one of those many
"net.whackos" out there)

>Marvel - Everything united under a common "theme" rather than a 
>storyline called "The Superstars of Tomorrow".  Each annual will
>premier a new, never-before-seen super-hero  or -villian.  (Sounds
>familiar, don't it?)

Well it's like the difference between getting Magusized or Eclipsed, I have to
land to sell in the Southern parishes for those who believe there is one.
But you we mean we don't get another Starlin interstellar mega-team-up? 

>Moreover, there will be NO crossover storylines (!), NO family 
>groupings (!!), and no umbrella titles (!!!).  Each annual will have
>self-contained stories (!!!!).
>
>Best news I've heard from Marvel in about 5 years...

It defies the imagination, there's gotta be a catch...

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
.............................................................................
"This is page one of the "How I Lost my Mind" Manual"
   --- Grant Morrison
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
.............................................................................
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: The Care and Feeding of Comics
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:08:13 GMT
	<1992Aug11.125816.17927@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> <13990@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>
	<1992Aug12.023220.10795@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
In-reply-to: cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca's message of 12 Aug 92 02:32:20 GMT

cwelsh@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Craig Welsh  8823239) writes:
|* "Homeboy from Hell." Screw that. I'm the Waiter from Hell.           *
|*  You figure out which is scarier.                                    *

Having been both a waiter and a busboy from hell as well as a Homeboy
from hell, I'd take the Homeboy every single time.

--
Peace.
"Violence erupts at Los Angeles hip-hop concert--rap blamed for violence.
 Violence erupts at New York hockey game--hockey blamed for violence.
 Violence breaks out at European soccer game--soccer blamed for violence.
 Violence breaks out at nuclear peace rally--peace blamed for violence."
                                    -Ice T, Squeeze the Trigger
                                   -\--/-
    Don't just adopt opinions     |  \/  |       Some of you are homeboys
          develop them.           |  /\  | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
                                   -/--\-

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From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted Faber)
Subject: Re: Strange Sports( Was Re:JLA/JSA team-up history)
Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:46:43 GMT

In <1992Aug12.155655.8531@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes:

>Personally, I have liked to have seen a real powered softball/baseball
>game between heroes where the use of powers was allowed and thought out
>in terms of strategy and positions. For example, you want to walk the
>person ahead of, and any teleporter and speedster, as otherwise the
>'porter or speedster taps the ball to the ground and zips around the bases
>for a home run.

	Yeah, but how do you walk Plastic Man or Colossal Boy?  Those balls
	have to be *way* outside.

	And tough to hit a HR past a flying fast outfielder like Superman.

	And with a Flash on either team, most of the plays wouldn't be much
	fun to watch, right? <crack><zip><grab><zip>"Yerout!"

	Let's not even think about Swamp Thing....
>
>tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com

"Take your work seriously but never take yourself seriously;
 and do not take what happens either to yourself or your work seriously."
                -- Booth Tarkington

-- 
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From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W Lai)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN -- Color differences in TBP vs. SOTM original?
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 00:30:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.041717.11716@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
>When reading the "Seasons of the Mist" TPB, I noticed something that
>I'd missed in the original issues.  When Lucifer is sitting in the
>lawnchair, he's bleeding.  Tonight I happened to open the original
>series, part 7 (SANDMAN #28) and noticed there was no blood (pg 18,
>first and last panel).  At first I thought it was a printing error,
>but panels 1 and 2 on pg 22 of the same issue have missing blood
>in panel 1 but the blood present in panel 2.
>
>This can't be a printing error.  Looking further, it seems that
>they don't show any character actually bleeding.  Blood may be
>coming off a whip, but the person struck doesn't bleed.  This is
>really odd.  Any ideas?

There should still be more blood in hell, but ah well.  Who says it's a normal
whip?  Anyway, Neil did say at a signing that several pages had been recolored
for clarity.

For instance, if you check the issue where the three dead schoolboys were
torturing Paine, you'll see blood where there was none in the original.
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From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen)
Subject: Ambush Bug Sightings
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 01:03:09 GMT

There is one other Ambush Bug appearance that I can recall.  In one of the 
Invasion Earth Books (either #1 or #2) we see Buggy at the bottom of a panel, 
really small (maybe a centimeter tall).  I'm pretty sure this was Invasion.  It
might have been a different mega-crossover of the last 4 years.
     Dave Van Domelen, "What about the Golden Age Bug?"
From: mac7@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Chary)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Best and Worst Villain Names
Date: 13 Aug 92 19:27:36 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, (USA)


Thought of a couple more.
BEST: Galactus, for no particular reason
      Brainiac, nostalgia
      J. Jonah Jameson, he just sounds like a newspaper guy
      The Foreigner, just like it
      Ambush Bug, started as a Supes villain, would be one of
      the worst if he wasn't so deliberately silly.
      Ra's al Ghul, meanacing and neat

WORST:Killer Moth, do me a favor;)
      Any Marvel character after 1975 who's name ends in "o"
      Mr. Freeze, sounds like he's selling ice cream;)
-- 
"Ipsa scientia potestas est."
             -Roger Bacon
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with
the average voter." -Winston Churchill
From: hcheng@Auspex.COM (Howard Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Whatever happened to Big Numbers?
Date: 21 Aug 92 01:14:08 GMT
Organization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara

I remember buying issue #1 a long time ago and I was looking through my 
collection the other night and I found myself wondering if I had ever gotten
Big Numbers #2. So I went down to the dealer and they told me that Moore
just hasn't done anything with it. Does anyone have any inside information
or such?

h.

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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Re: San Diego Con Horror Story
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 08:47:07 GMT

acd@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (andrew.c.durston) writes:

>In article <aj9m5#=.akuma@netcom.com>, akuma@netcom.com (Steven E Barnes) writes:
>> Scene in dealer room, with Fanboy looking at issues of
>> Youngblood #1:
>> Fanboy: "How much?"
>> Dealer: "$3.00 each"
>> Fanboy: "I'll take all of them"
>> Dealer: "OK, that's 33; take two more comics and I'll call it an even
>>          $100"

>Gee,
>	Perhaps he would like my copy as well. Or better yet, would
>	he like my copies of ShadowHawk 1 and Brigade 1, ecch!
>	:-) :-)

The way I see it is in ten years it will be good to look back
at these comics we bought and laugh. I didnt by Shadowhawk or
Brigade though. I only stuffed up slightly by buying 
Youngblood #1. I think in a couple of years there will be a 
whole new generation of fanboys just aching for some copies
of Youngblood #1. Hold onto it!

Jed