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From: gottlieb@allan.ultra.nyu.edu (Allan Gottlieb)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.system.dec
Subject: Re: Advice on 1+ GB Hard drives for DEC stations
Date: 5 Oct 92 14:41:35 GMT
Organization: New York University, Ultracomputer project

In article <1992Sep23.193612.27175@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> henstock@ecn.purdue.edu (Peter V Henstock) writes:

   We currently have a three DEC stations and a 1 GB drive.  Since
   we are running out of disk space, we are looking to buy 
   another 1+ GB drive which is fast, relatively quiet, and of
   course reasonably priced.  Does anyone have any suggestions or
   recommendations on such a drive.

I have been quite satisfied with the 1.6GB Wren VIII I have had on
this decstation 5000.  The 5000 was a model 200 when I obtained the
wren VIII; it is now at 240.  The disk worked fine with both hardware
configurations.

Allan Gottlieb
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu (Roger Books)
Subject: Re: ps - listing another user's processes
Organization: FSU nuclear physics
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 12:47:20 GMT

In article <1992Sep29.231024.6610@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>(yes, I know about the -a flag to ps. This question has been bugging
>me for months, though, so I'm finally asking.)
>
>If I type "ps -x", I get a listing of all my processes. If I type 
>"ps -ax", I get a listing of all the processes running on the machine.
>
>How do I get a list of all of another user's processes?
>
>The best way I know of for a normal user is "ps -aux | grep username".
>This is very slow, especially when you've got 2500 users you're
>fetching via yp.
>
>A much faster way is to su to the other user, and then run "ps -x". Of
>course, this requires being able to su to the other user, which is not
>a general solution.
>
>Is there any reason, in principle, why ps couldn't take a user ID or
>username to do the ps for? Do any Unixes support this? Is there, by
>any chance, a ps-type utility that does this under Ultrix?
>                __
>nelson@reed.edu \/    The look in his eyes when it hit - kid, it was tasty...

run who, then do "ps -t" with the appropriate terminal.

Roger
books@fsunuc.physics.fsu.edu
From: yzarn@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (Philip Yzarn de Louraille)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: More than 2 swap aeras (was Re: "Not enough core"...swap space?)
Date: 3 Oct 92 18:19:20 GMT
Organization: Chevron Oil Field Research, La Habra, CA.

In article <1992Sep29.190121.18887@sis.uucp> richard@sis.uucp (Richard Baird) writes:
>
>
>
>In article <1992Sep26.153744.4452@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> 
>anthony@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Anthony Baxter) writes:
>
>
>>Eg, from this machine, with 4 swap areas:
>>config		vmunix	root on rz0a  swap on rz0b and rz1d and rz2d and rz3d
>>
>
>
>Are you running Ultrix?? I was under the impression that only 2 swap areas
>could be configured under Ultrix. Can't remember where that came from (It
>might have been a Ultrix management course at DEC ;). I know the "Guide to 
>configuration file maintenance" only shows examples with 1 or 2 swap 
>partitions.
>
>I realize that other BSD derived un*x allow this, but wasn't aware Ultrix
>would.
>
>Can someone from DEC comment on this ? Is it possible/supported ?

Why do you need to hear it from DEC when experienced sys. admins are
telling you that Ultrix does it? Seems to defeat the purpose of using this
group, does it not?
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From: gdrew@cs.umd.edu (Greg Drew)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Is the DECstation big or little endian?
Date: 1 Oct 92 22:44:01 GMT
Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742

This is probably a FAQ, so a pointer there would be appreciated.
					-- GDD
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From: mskucher@math.uwaterloo.ca (Murray S. Kucherawy [MFCF])
Subject: Questions about dxsession and Xprompter
Organization: Math Faculty Computing Facility, University of Waterloo, Canada
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:25:56 GMT


Regarding Xprompter and dxsession on a Personal DECstation 5000/33...

It seems that about once a minute, the Xprompter display disappears for
a second and then re-appears.  This in itself is no big deal, but the
problem is that the screen-saving feature never kicks in, and the display
is on constantly.  Has anyone seen this before?  Can someone suggest what
might be causing this to happen?

Also, I have a question about dxsession.  When I start up an xterm
or dxterm from dxsession, the PATH environment variable seems to be the
only one that is not copied into the shell created by the xterm or
dxterm; all others are.  This isn't documented anyplace that I looked.
Can someone explain this to me?  I've traced it to dxsession because
using rlogin to get on produces no errors at all, so the environment
variables are being passed properly.  If I login and set PATH to something
and then start another dxterm from within the existing dxterm, PATH
is passed properly.  Help!

-- Murray S. Kucherawy ----------------------------------------+--------------
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From: rhill@dale.ksc.nasa.gov (Russ Hill)
Subject: WANTED: fast full screen dumps
Organization: NASA
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:17:34 GMT


I need a fast way of doing screen dumps;
right now I am using xwd in shell script and screen does not 
change/update for 3 minutes while the printer prints the screen.
I dont really care how long the screen takes to print; I do
need the screen to update while the printer is printing the
screen snapshot.

any ideas would be greatly appreciated
please respond with email

Russ
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Russ Hill
rhill@dale.ksc.nasa.gov
(407) 633-3950
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: ajc@pa.dec.com (AJ Casamento)
Subject: Re: Server for X11R5 / PX ?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: 28 Sep 92 10:57:49




In article <3088@unieinf.UUCP> conen@dec3.wi-inf.uni-essen.de (Wolfram Conen) 
writes:


>>Is there any R5-Server for the PX-Graphic-Option ?
>>Is there any "Special-2D-Software" for this "great" Graphic-Board (under 
>>X11R4) ?
>>Which Board should I buy to optimize the performance under X-Windows
>>(and who wants 3 PX-Boards as an christmas gift ??)

>> -- 
>> Wolfram Conen                               conen@dec2.wi-inf.uni-essen.de


Wolfram,

  According to one of my colleagues here, the Ultrix v4.3 release has an X11R5
driver for the PX. Keep in mind that the PX was designed in 1989 strictly to be
a wire-frame accelerator with a 1280 x 1024 resolution.

  My current favorite for 2D work would be the HX option. Just my own silly
opinion, of course.

				Thanx,
				  AJ


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From: ssmith@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Stephen Smith)
Subject: Re: Ultrix 4.3 and syslogd
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:01:33 GMT

tjb@mozz.unh.edu (Thomas J. Baker) writes:


>Does anyone know if Ultrix 4.3 uses the newer 3 argument syslog function?  

No, use the BSD 4.3 tahoe version from Gatekeeper.dec.com. 

-Steve
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From: conen@dec3.wi-inf.uni-essen.de (Wolfram Conen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Server for X11R5 / PX ?
Keywords: PX, Server, X11R5
Date: 28 Sep 92 08:53:48 GMT
Reply-To: conen
Organization: uni-essen

Is there any R5-Server for the PX-Graphic-Option ?
Is there any "Special-2D-Software" for this "great" Graphic-Board (under X11R4) ?
Which Board should I buy to optimize the performance under X-Windows
 (and who wants 3 PX-Boards as an christmas gift ??)

-- 
Wolfram Conen                                    conen@dec2.wi-inf.uni-essen.de

Wirtschaftsinformatik der Produktionsunternehmen |  Tel.: +49 (0201) 81003-58
Universitaet-GHS-Essen                           |  FAX:  +49 (0201) 81003-67

Everything stated above is definitely not my own opinion - ask my boss for an
explanation ...
From: neve@nlm.nih.gov (Leif Neve)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Trying to build g++ on a DECstation!
Date: 28 Sep 92 17:48:07 GMT
Reply-To: neve@nlm.nih.gov
Organization: National Library of Medicine

>In article <1992Sep28.150027.25539@nlm.nih.gov>, neve@nlm.nih.gov (Leif Neve) writes:
>
>|>(1) I'm not picky about which version of g++ to build. Is there a version
>|>out there that works for the DECstation 3100? (At one time I downloaded
>|>gcc 2.2.2 but shied away from it when I read that setting LANGUAGE=c++
>|>was a "waste of time.")

Oops! Thanks to all you kind souls out there that showed me the error of my
ways. I mistook the context of the "waste of time" allusion.

I'm rolling up my sleeves even as I speak to build gcc 2.2.2 on my DECstation.

Thanks, again.
Leif Neve
From: sh2v+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Hathorne)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: vi dumps core
Date: 5 Oct 92 07:13:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.4eo5iC200j5uBToXha
Organization: Statistics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA



If I resize a window, and then start up vi, it seg faults, and dumps core.
any hints?


Stephen Hathorne
Computing Systems Administrator
Department of Statistics
Carnegie Mellon
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: vixie@pa.dec.com (Paul A Vixie)
Subject: Re: Ultrix 4.3 and syslogd
Organization: DEC Network Software Lab
Date: 1 Oct 92 15:44:07

> Does anyone know if Ultrix 4.3 uses the newer 3 argument syslog function?  

No.  It would actually be a reasonable thing to add, given John Kohl's
excellent port of the 4.3bsd syslogd server (available on gatekeeper.dec.com
for anonymous FTP as /pub/DEC/jtkohl-syslog-complete.tar.Z).  

It turns out that Berkeley made a huge mistake when they upgraded the syslog
subsystem between 4.2bsd and 4.3bsd.  While the improvements were all welcome,
no thought whatever was given to backward compatibility.  This meant that if
you had a binary that had been linked with the 4.2bsd-style syslog function
from libc.a, it would not interoperate with a 4.3bsd-style syslog server.  The
network protocol used between the library function and the server had changed,
and the 4.3bsd-style syslog server had no code in it to detect 4.2bsd-style
clients.

John Kohl's syslog server port solves this problem.  This server is willing to
talk to either old or new clients, though of course some of the server's new
features do not apply to input from old clients since the neccessary data is
not all present in the old-protocol syslog messages.  If you run John's syslog
server, you will be able to talk to all of your Ultrix binaries that were
compiled against the old library, and if you bring over the new library and
link your own applications against it, they will work also.

Ultrix has stuck with the 4.2bsd-style syslog server and client because they
were not willing to tell their customer base that they would have to recompile
or relink all their syslog-dependent applications in order to run on some new
version of Ultrix.  Given John Kohl's server, Ultrix could have upgraded their
server without requiring that customers relink; however, by the time John's
server was available, Ultrix was on the sidelines waiting for OSF/1 to take
over.

But there's no reason why you, as Ultrix customers, can't do this upgrade
yourself.  John's syslog server is based on freely-redistributable code from
the CSRG of U C Berkeley; it is available via anonymous FTP on the Internet.
I wish now that I'd thought to include a copy on the "good stuff" CDROM that
we just sent to manufacturing; I'll try to remember to do this for the next
release.

Disclaimer: I do not speak for Digital.
--
Paul Vixie, DEC Network Systems Lab	
Palo Alto, California, USA         	"Don't be a rebel, or a conformist;
<vixie@pa.dec.com> decwrl!vixie		they're the same thing, anyway.  Find
<paul@vix.com>     vixie!paul		your own path, and stay on it."  -me
From: chris@tisdec.tis.tandy.com
Date: 29 Sep 92 11:07 CDT
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: 7 SCSI devices unsupported?
Message-ID: <28400003@tisdec.tis.tandy.com>
Nf-ID: #R:access.usask.ca:4285:tisdec.tis.tandy.com:28400003:000:1248
Nf-From: tisdec.tis.tandy.com!chris    Sep 29 11:07:00 1992


In normal/traditional SCSI environments, the HOST's controler is normaly set to
NODE 7, leaving you 7 NODE's in the range of 0-6 for devices like harddrives,
tapedrives, and CD-ROMS, etc.... ( Node address's being based on a three bit
octal value)

If you where to look in the KERNEL configuration file for your system, you will
see that the HOST's controller is usually defined as NODE 7 of the bus, and
NODE 0 as a harddrive. The CD-ROMS are occasionally configured as NODE 5 or 6.

As someone else has stated in this group, there is a physical length limitation
that can preclude adding in maximum allowable devices.  Each device has the
equivilant of about 1 foot of bus in its controler, and the expansion cabinets
that DEC sells has about 2-3 feet of bus cable internally.  I have no idea
what the logical distance is inside a DEC-3000, DEC-5000 or DEC-5500 is.

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Tandy Technology Sqr, Suite 200
Fort Worth, TX 76102             Phone: 817/878-0308; 8:00am-5:00pm CST,Mo-Fr
-----------------------------
Opinions are mine, and are base on years of working with SCSI base systems.

Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: dmb@srl05.cacs.usl.edu (David M. Brumley)
Subject: After 4.2a upgrade, DXterm won't run!
Organization: University of Louisiana
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 18:24:04 GMT

We're a small university site that has just upgraded from ULTRIX 4.2
to 4.2A and the new Motif 1.1.3 on our DECstation 5000/200s.  Now,
whenever we try to run DXterm on DISKLESS workstations, we get the
following error:

X Toolkit Warning: DRM: I18NOpenFile: Couldn't open file /usr/lib/X11/uid/DXterm 
  - DRMFailure
 X Toolkit Warning: Drm__OpenHierarchy: V - DRMFailure
 Unable to open DRM User Interface Definition:

 DXterm

We've verified that '/usr/lib/X11/uid/DXterm' exists, is readable by
all, and is identical to the same file on other machines.  Note that
DXterm runs fine on the machines that are not diskless clients. 

Any ideas?
From: cchd@lucifer.latrobe.edu.au (Huw Davies)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Ultrix 4.3 Installation and Performance Reports Wanted
Date: 5 Oct 92 12:25:01 GMT
Organization: La Trobe University

Well, I just installed 4.3 as an upgrade on my DECstation 5000/20. It
all seemed to go so well, I didn't really bother to check too many
things out....

It seems (from a really close read of the documentation) that 4.3
installs a new version of sendmail and creates a new sendmail.cf for
you. It would have been nice to have a warning (in large letters :-)
that the new sendmail.cf may not be quite right....

For reasons best known to itself, the upgrade decided that my node name
was .latrobe.edu.au (I always thought that this was my domain name, but
perhaps I was mistaken :-). I'm sure that the new sendmail.cf is still
missing some important bits, but I'll have to wait the usual 40 days and
40 nights of starvation before the hallucinations look like sendmail!

Apart from this one gripe it all seems to be OK.

One question: How do I go about tuning my filesystems for the promised
100% improvement? The manual suggests creating a 1Mb file and reading it
back (stand alone) whilst varying the parameters. This may be OK on my
personal system but having a production system down for a while for me
to play seems a little extreme....

-- 
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  Computing Services   | Phone: +61 3 479 1500   Fax: +61 3 479 1999
  La Trobe University  | I own an Alfa to keep me poor in a monetary
  Melbourne Australia  | sense, but rich in so many other ways
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: I cannot talk
From: wetzels@amc.uva.nl
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 17:22:14 GMT
Organization: Central computer department

What happens if i talk user@machine
and get the following statement:
'checking for invitation on caller's machine'

But a connection is never made. Although the user is logged on.


Frank
Wetzels@amc.uva.nl
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: vulture@carrion.cc.ic.ac.uk (Thomas Sippel - Dau)
Subject: Re: ps - listing another user's processes
Reply-To: cmaae47@cc.ic.ac.uk
Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 20:21:36 BST

In article <1992Sep29.231024.6610@reed.edu>, nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
.....
- A much faster way is to su to the other user, and then run "ps -x". Of
- course, this requires being able to su to the other user, which is not
- a general solution.
- 
- Is there any reason, in principle, why ps couldn't take a user ID or
- username to do the ps for? Do any Unixes support this? Is there, by
- any chance, a ps-type utility that does this under Ultrix?

The only reason I can think of is that (Ultrix(tm) is not Unix(tm))(tm).
The x/open portability guide, Version 3, Vol 1, Commands and Utilities,
December 1988, page 213 states clearly

ps - report process status
...
-u uidlist
  Restrict listing to data about processes whose user ID numbers or 
  login names are given in uidlist. (...)

So the only thing you need is a vendor that takes standard conformance 
seriously.

                                       Thomas
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: wittig@gmd.de (Georg Wittig)
Subject: top-3.0 again
Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 11:22:09 GMT

top-3.0 does not display on which of the two processors a process is
running (we have a DECSystem 5820). The SunOS version of top-3.0 _CAN_ do
it.

Does anyone know how to patch top-3.0 for Ultrix-4.2 such that the
processor number is shown for each process?

Also, we have a version of top-2.5 that can show only the processes of a
specific user which is very useful to us. Can it be done with top-3.0? Or
can top-3.0 be patched to do that?
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From: vulture@carrion.cc.ic.ac.uk (Thomas Sippel - Dau)
Subject: Re: "Not enough core"...swap space?
Reply-To: cmaae47@cc.ic.ac.uk
Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 12:43:03 BST

In article <1992Sep23.005246.19819@ninja.zso.dec.com>, fleskes@ninja.zso.dec.com (David Fleskes) writes:
- 
- You can do two things: [if you get "not enough core"]
- 
-   - Reconfigure the kernel with a second swap space
-   - Extend the disk partition of the file system where the 
-     swap space is configured (you'll have to move the file
-     systems that reside on the partiion which gets taken over.
- 
Is there an easy way for users to link (or re-link) Motiv and other 
applications which use large libraries to make use of shared code 
under Ultrix ?

In some cases disseminating such knowledge can even ease disk space problems.

                                   Thomas
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From: kborge@mordor.uio.no (Knut Borge)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
Subject: Re: Disktab entry Micropolis Micropolis 1924-21MZ1078401 PR35
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:07:34 GMT
Organization: University of Oslo, Norway


I created this, and it seems to work fine:

#
# Micropolis 1924-21 2.4 GB
#
MP1924|Micropolis 1924-21 2.4 GB:\
        :ty=winchester:ns#94:nt#21:nc#2072:\
        :pa#32768:ba#8192:fa#1024:\
        :pb#184320:bb#4096:fb#1024:\
        :pc#4090128:bc#8192:fc#1024:\
        :pd#299008:bd#8192:fd#1024:\
        :pe#299008:be#8192:fe#1024:\
        :pf#596284:bf#8192:ff#1024:\
        :pg#614400:bg#8192:fg#1024:\
        :ph#1194300:bh#8192:fh#1024:


---
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix
From: glenn@sundeck.usask.ca (Glenn Hollinger)
Subject: Re: 7 SCSI devices unsupported?
Originator: glenn@sundeck.usask.ca
Reply-To: glenn@sundeck.usask.ca
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 05:08:24 GMT

From article <AJC.92Sep23155958@thendara.pa.dec.com>, by ajc@pa.dec.com (AJ Casamento):
> 
> 
> In article <1992Sep17.210114.4283@coe.montana.edu> osyjm@cs.montana.edu (Jaye 
> Mathisen) writes:
> 
> 
>>> >The DS3100 will only allow 6 devices on the SCSI since slot
>>> >6 is already occupied.  I forget what by, you can ask the machine.
> 
>>>I assume you mean that the standard address for the internal scsi bus host is
>>>6 on the decstation, but I don't see why you couldn't put a device at 7...
>>> -- 
>>>  Jaye Mathisen, COE Systems Manager                (406) 994-4780
>>>  410 Roberts Hall,Dept. of Computer Science
>>>  Montana State University,Bozeman MT 59717	osyjm@cs.montana.edu
> 
> Jaye,
> 
>   The DS3100/DS2100 systems had the Host assigned to logical unit 6 on the
> supposition that 7 should be reserved for some realtime option. There are some
> instances where setting a SCSI device with a higher priority than that of the
> host adapter will generate a situation where the host adapter queries unit 7 
> and never gets the bus back. Just a precaution. I believe that you can go in
> from console and set the Host adapter back to 7.
> 

While one can set the DS2100/DS3100 host to SCSI ID 7, experience says
it does not work very well.  I too agree that setting a peripheral to 7
has the possiblility of hanging the bus.  We just live with the limit
of 6 devices...

Glenn Hollinger,                      glenn@herald.usask.ca
University of Saskatchewan.
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