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In rec.music.dylan, galuska@oz.asel.udel.edu (Scott Galuska) writes:
> 
> Later on, I think Bruce realized that he could express himself better by being
> more concise, and became a much better songwriter by doing so...
> 
		i agree wholeheartedly!  his best work (and
		i'll probably be flamed for this...) was 
		nebraska when he perfected the bruce-style
		ballad... alot of telling first-person laments
		with nebraska & johnny 99 the best IMHO.
> -- 
> Scott Galuska
> Dept. of Computer & Info. Science        "There's no crying in baseball!"
> Univ of Delaware
> galuska@asel.udel.edu


peace to all,
pjm.
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: peteg@sequent.com (Pete Gibson)
Subject: Help with `Hard Times' Lyrics
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 23:04:41 GMT

First off, thanks to all (especially Tad Davis) for posting the lyrics
to "Good as I Been to You".  One of my favorite cuts from the album is
`Hard Times', and I want to play this myself on my guitar.  There's
one stanza that goes:

  There's a pale, drooping maiden who toils her life away
  With a worn heart...... [?]  her own
  Though her voice would be merry ....[?]
  Ah, hard times come again no more

that I can't seem to get right.  Can anyone help me fill out the missing
sections and correct any mistakes?

Any help is greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

Pete

--
Pete Gibson
Sequent Computer Systems
peteg@sequent.com
(503) 578-4561
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Pete Gibson
Sequent Computer Systems
peteg@sequent.com
From: dario.wolfish@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Dario Wolfish) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: The Bootleg Series -
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:02:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: dario.wolfish@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Dario Wolfish) 

RS>   1. Why does the series contain a much larger number of Dylan's songs
RS>   from 1962-1965 than from any other time period?
That's where he started?

RS>A significant number of people consider this his best period by far,

It was great. I also dig the Hawk years and 70s when Dylan played with
the Band.
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From: rcj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Craig Jamieson)
Subject: Re: Jim Jones
Summary: Difficult to hear words in Jim Jones
Keywords: parsnips
Organization: U of Cambridge, England
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 12:38:01 GMT

>t differently. Does
>anybody hear something besides "person" in the line "they'll flog the ____out o
>you.."? I like
>"person" but is this what's being said?==Dave


>I don't think it's "flog the person". I have the CD home, and I'll try to

There's no time for mischief there they say
Remember that says they
For they'll flog the parsnips out of you
Down there in Botany Bay.

I assume everyone agrees as no one has replied to my hypothesis so far...

Craig Jamieson
University of Cambridge




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From: georger@utoday.com (George Rothe)
Subject: Re: The Bootleg Series - questions
Organization: UNIX Today!
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 14:03:42 GMT

In article <RSHAPIRO.92Nov16105024@kariba.bbn.com> rshapiro@bbn.com (Richard Shapiro) writes:
>In article <Ef1FAgS00awYENF0pB@andrew.cmu.edu> "Jonathan D. Lyness" <jl6e+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>   3. Why would songs like "Blind Willie McTell" and "Foot of Pride" have
>   _possibly_ been left off Dylan's released albums?
>
according to the Dylan interview done by Mintz for the boot series, Dylan
used a 'drum machine' on Foot of Pride, which he said, just kept speeding
up...
>
>   6. Can someone relate the details of the story behind "Bear Mountain
>   Picnic Massacre Blues"? (and was Dylan really involved in this event?)
>
>Someone else can provide the details, but I think it was pretty much
>the way he sings it. The company who put the package together oversold
>the trip (which was slightly bogus to begin with) but attempted to put
>everybody on the boat anyway - which then sank. Dylan was not
>involved; this was just a topical song, like Davey Moore. As Pete
>Seeger once asked him (I paraphrase) - "Do you just spread out the
>newspaper and look for an article to write a song about?". 
>

I don't think any boat actually sank, but the trip was oversold.  At the
time the tv was glutted with commercials for the 'scenic cruise up the
hudson...the river glistens in the morning sun... etc'.  If you were a
new yorker at the time you saw that commercial about 3 times a day!
From: cswager@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Charles Swager)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Candy man
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:15:15 GMT
Reply-To: cswager@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Charles Swager)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Ramblin' Jack Elliot's version of "Candy Man" is very Dylan-like.  Actually
Dylan's version is very Ramblin' Jack-like.  If you've ever listened
to Elliot, you've probably been quickly struck with the thought that
he was a major influence on Dylan.

    Patrick Sky also does "Candy Man".
From: dario.wolfish@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Dario Wolfish) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Comparing
Date: 22 Nov 92 12:03:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: dario.wolfish@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Dario Wolfish) 

I'm seeing these posts comparing Dylan to other people. My feeling is
that it's the other way around. Dylan is a legend who set standards that
others followed.

Comparing is fruitless anyways. Dylan is so unique that comparison
always ends up looking at apples and oranges.

So many other music legends admit his influence: Mig Jagger, Beattles,
Grateful Dead etc.
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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: georger@utoday.com (George Rothe)
Subject: Re: Response for Jennifer Yablonsky
Organization: UNIX Today!
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 14:46:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov21.215618.5756@cs.uoregon.edu> fisher@majestix.cs.uoregon.edu (John Merlin Fisher) writes:
>>   First of all Ms. Yablonsky nobody gives a rip what you think of Bob
>>   Dylan. Secondly, Dylan has been playing music when Bruce was still in
>>   diapers sucking his thumb. As far as the music is concerned, Bob is a
>>   much better songwriter (and player) with heartfelt and meaningful
>>   songs. In my opinion, Bruce is a cheap imitation of Bob (and Dylan
>>   even said that in an interview in the early 80's) and his songs hold
>>   no deep messages about the world, Jesus, and just everyday life that
>>   regular people can relate to. A lot of bruce's songs are so trite (for
>>   example, "57 channels and nothing on ...") they just do nothing for
>>   me!
>
>
>I don't normally respond to these type of things, but you sounded like you
>meant what you were saying, and what you were saying was so far off from the
>truth. I own about a dozen Bruce CDs and about 8-10 Dylan CDs, and I can say
>that Bruce has more "heart" in his music than anyone I have ever heard. "57
>Channels" as a counterexample is like saying "This Old Man" is a fair
>example of Dylan. You need to consider songs like "Racing in the Streets,"
>or "Thunder Road," or "Living Proof." I found LOTS of heartful, meaningful
>songs that he writes, and not just songs I think are 'neat' but ones that
>I get lots of personal benefit from. I like Dylan's poetry, and his music,
>but I don't have nearly the same personal attachment. Just because Bruce can
>relax and have a little fun, like "57 Channels" or "Hungry Heart" doesn't
>mean he doesn't have a whole truckload of well thought out, personal songs
>and performances.
>

I don't like to post and repost previous posts, but anyway, this sort of
bickering reminds me of old times in new york, and the senseless argument
of who was better the yankees or the mets!  what's one got to do with the 
other?  I am a Dylan collector and very proud of my collection.  I am a
Springsteen collector and very proud of my collection.  I know a number of
Dylan/Springsteen collectors (LO! even on this network) who feel the same
way!  Both artists fulfill a need for me.  Aside from the raspy voice and
the veritable 'lexicon' of images that each is capable of... I stopped
comparing the two artists a long long time ago.  It was about the time I
realized the comparsion was all media hype (spelled Columbia)...it was
also the time that Johnny Carson made it to the cover of Rolling Stone and
the price jumped to $1.25!!!

these days, if someone asks me to compare the 2 artists...the only thing
that springs to mind is 'Bruce's rendition of 'growin up' on the mtv
special, and how painfully close the vocals were to  'freewheelin'...
otherwise...two very different artists who have a tendency to grow scruffy
beards!
From: akp1@quads.uchicago.edu (Adam K. Powers)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Bob Dylan Rocks the O'Dome
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:39:16 GMT
Reply-To: akp1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Wayne Walker <ww0@bobcat.cis.ufl.edu> writes:

>This is a little slow, but I saw Bob Dylan's Gainseville, Fl date in the
>O'Connell Center on the campus of the University of Florida.  Here
>is the setlist to the best of my ability
>
>I can't be satisfied
>If not for you
>All along the watchtower
>Simple twist of fate
>???--(first line was "Help me in my weakness") <--help

Was it "Drifter's Escape" from _John Wesley Harding_?

>Under the red sky
>Slivio
>-----------------Acoustic set begin
>Mama you been on my mind
>Boots of Spanish leather
>Mr. Tambourine man
>Don't think twice
>----------------Acoustic set end
>Unbelievable
>Man in long black coat
>Time's they are a-changin
>Maggies farm
>----------------Encores
>Shooting Star
>Everything is broken
>It aint me babe

						-Adam K. Powers
						akp1@midway.uchicago.edu
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: bruce kicking dylan's ass
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:57:43 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <wf31dVO00WBL06PnIm@andrew.cmu.edu>, jy0t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jennifer Yablonsky) writes:
[BR00CE!!!1!!1! stuff deleted]
> chew on that for awhile hippies.
**munch** **munch** **chomp** **chomp**
Mmmmmmmmm.....bullsh*t!
	Robert Clough, DUMC (though still not speaking for them)
"Don't worry about the missed free throw, Christian.  We all make mistakes."
--Richard Nixon to Christian Laettner, after he missed the front end of a 
one-and-one with one second left, playing Arizona
From: will@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu (Beldin Feldegast)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: When the night comes falling from the shy
Date: 17 Nov 92 16:28:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: dekalb.1992Nov17.162847.8699
Organization: Mallorea

Does anyone have the lyrics to this? I figured out the music
on guitar and would like the words to it. Also, the same for
Series of dreams, both are from Bootlegs Vol. 3.

Tanks


Beldin

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| Georgia Tech                morning, or mean that it is a good morn- |
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From: btowell@slate.mines.colorado.edu (TOWELL BRIAN PATRICK)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: neil young
Date: 16 Nov 92 22:12:09 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

-I'm not sure about the rest of his tour, but I saw him at Red Rocks
about a month ago, and it was incredible.   

I'd sure love to see Bob there sometime.  Does anybody know if Bob
has ever played Red Rocks?

BT
 
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From: rolls@cis.umassd.edu (Frank Pinto)
Subject: Re: bruce kicking dylan's ass
Organization: University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:13:51 GMT

In <By0vrz.36o@news.iastate.edu> reiners@iastate.edu () writes:

>In article <wf31dVO00WBL06PnIm@andrew.cmu.edu> Jennifer Yablonsky <jy0t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>hey you jerks
>>
>>bruce could kick dylan's ass any day of the week, month, year or millenium
>>(singing too)
>> chew on that for awhile hippies.

>I think if you read Bruce Springsteen's speech on Bob Dylan for Dylan's 
>induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, you'd realize that Springsteen 
>would probably be one of the first people to disagree with your statement.  
>They're both great.  It's practically meaningless to try to put them in some 
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^             
>kind of linear ordering.
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Reiners, please, don't confuse Yablonsky with such a statement.
He (Yablonsky)must attend the Dick Butckus
School of Diplomacy. ( no classes in linearity )

Frank Pinto


P.S. I think when David Letterman does his bit on the 
"Dumb Guy" he must have meant YABLONSKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>-- 
>Paul Reiners
><reiners@iastate.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: chip@allegra.att.com (Chip Christian)
Subject: Re: Candy man
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:02:50 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ

In article <1992Nov19.030548.29310@rose.com> paul.fletcher@rose.com (paul fletcher) writes:

       When I was in a store recently I heard a song I liked the sound 
   of.  It was an acoustic song with a Dylan like vocal with the words 
   "Candy Man" in it.  I asked the manager what the cassette was and he 
   said he thought it was Hot Tuna.  Can anyone help me out here as to 
   who it possible could have been.


   Lorraine
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I'll bet it was Hot Tuna.  It's on at least one disc of theirs in my collection...
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Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: berger@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Berger)
Subject: Wanted: 10/16/92 Dylan Tribute Tape
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 02:11:46 GMT

I'd love a high quality copy of the 10/16/92 MSG show.  If anyone
can help, please email me.  I've about 500 hours of misc to trade.

				David
				berger@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu


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From: ugo@eng.umd.edu (Ugo Piomelli)
Subject: Re: Jim Jones
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 22:30:05 GMT
Organization: College of Engineering, Maryversity von Uniland, College Park
Originator: ugo@maserati.eng.umd.edu



I have a couple more minor corrections:

First, it's "Botany Bay". Then the first three verses, I think go 

But the jury found me guilty
^^^
Then says the judge says he
O For life Jim Jones I 'm sending you
Across the stormy sea.

O take a trip before you ship
To join the iron gang
Don't get too gay in Botany Bay
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
or else you'll surely hang.

Or else you'll surely hang says he
And after that Jim Jones
It's high up upon the gallows tree
^^^^
The crows will pick your bones.

I don't think it's "flog the person". I have the CD home, and I'll try to
get it; it sounds more like "the poor ....".

Ugo Piomelli
Organization: Senior, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:51:13 -0500 
From: Jennifer Yablonsky <jy0t+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: bruce kicking dylan's ass

hey you jerks

bruce could kick dylan's ass any day of the week, month, year or millenium
(singing too)
 chew on that for awhile hippies.
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From: howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells)
Subject: Re: Jim Jones
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:28:09 GMT

ugo@eng.umd.edu (Ugo Piomelli) writes:

<I don't think it's "flog the person". I have the CD home, and I'll try to
<get it; it sounds more like "the poor ....".

How about "flog the poison out ..."

--
                                        John Howells
                                        howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov 
                                        howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells)
Subject: Re: Candy man
Organization: NASA Ames Res. Ctr. Mtn Vw CA 94035
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:27:25 GMT

jball@unixg.ubc.ca (Joe E Ball) writes:

<Well, I've got a really rough tape of Dylan doing Candyman, but it comes
<from a boot without any info at all.  Plain white wrapper, plain white
<thinggummy that goes in the middle.  The rest of the boot - I believe it
<was a double album, has some basement tapes stuff, plus some stuff like
<the death of Emmett Till (which seems to be on every bootleg ever put out,
<practically) and the story of Hezekiah, Poor Lazarus, Bob Dylan's new
<orleans rag...  If any body has any further info...  At least, yep, he has
<recorded it at some point early on. 

Yep, this is the famous _Great White Wonder_ - the world's first bootleg
record, at least as we now know it. Sure, bootlegs existed before, but
they were never so obviously contraband.

I posted something about this album a while back but didn't save it. If
anyone (for any strange reason) has it, please repost it for me!
Thanks.

--
                                        John Howells
                                        howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov 
                                        howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov
From: jroberts@fhr.ma30.bull.com (John Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: GAIBTY Lyrics
Keywords: lyrics
Date: 19 Nov 92 14:27:30 GMT
Reply-To: jroberts@fhr.ma30.bull.com (John Roberts)
Organization: Bull HN Information Systems, Inc.

Re: 12 Diamond Joe
There was bread ??? and his meat he couldn't chaw

In Tom Rush's "Got a Mind to Ramble" (circa '62 or so) he uses
"Now his bread it was corn dodger and his meat he could not chaw"

Don't know if this helps or not - I haven't heard GAIBTY yet.

Thanks for this great post of the lyrics!

John
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From: libfgr@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Frank G. Rogers)
Subject: Re: Candy man
Organization: Georgia State University
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 00:42:43 GMT

paul.fletcher@rose.com (paul fletcher) writes:


>Date Entered: 11-18-92 22:01


>    When I was in a store recently I heard a song I liked the sound 
>of.  It was an acoustic song with a Dylan like vocal with the words 
>"Candy Man" in it.  I asked the manager what the cassette was and he 
>said he thought it was Hot Tuna.  Can anyone help me out here as to 
>who it possible could have been.


Chances are it was Donovan -- he sounded a lot like Dylan when he
started out, and he did an accoustic song called "Candyman."  I'm
not sure what album it was originally on, but I know it's been 
included in several Donovan compilations over the years, and may
also be included in the new box set.

-Frank




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From: dario.wolfish@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Dario Wolfish) 
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Dylan
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:02:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: IDC BBS - Alameda, CA - 510-865-7115
Reply-To: dario.wolfish@idcbbs.uu.holonet.net (Dario Wolfish) 

Hello everyone. I am new to this conference. Like yourselves, I am a big
fan of Mr. Zimmerman. I've seen him since the 60's in the Village to
recently in Berkeley. I also love the Band, the Dead etc. I am a big
taper. I have several thousand live tapes including Dylan, the Band etc.

Well, this is my introduction. Glad to be here.
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From: reiners@iastate.edu ()
Subject: Re: bruce kicking dylan's ass
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 16:14:21 GMT

In article <wf31dVO00WBL06PnIm@andrew.cmu.edu> Jennifer Yablonsky <jy0t+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>hey you jerks
>
>bruce could kick dylan's ass any day of the week, month, year or millenium
>(singing too)
> chew on that for awhile hippies.

I think if you read Bruce Springsteen's speech on Bob Dylan for Dylan's 
induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, you'd realize that Springsteen 
would probably be one of the first people to disagree with your statement.  
They're both great.  It's practically meaningless to try to put them in some 
kind of linear ordering.


-- 
Paul Reiners
<reiners@iastate.edu>
From: cswager@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Charles Swager)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Help with `Hard Times' Lyrics
Date: 23 Nov 92 23:28:50 GMT
Reply-To: cswager@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Charles Swager)
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD

Hard Times:

There's a pale, drooping maiden who toils her life away
With a worn heart, whose better days are o'er
Though her voice would be merry, she's sighing all the day
O, hard times come again no more

    There's a verse that Dylan didn't use

'Tis a sigh that is wafted across the troubled wave
'Tis a wail that is heard upon the shore
'Tis a dirge that is murmured around the lowly grave
O, hard times come again no more.

    Also in the first verse it's "we all sup sorrow".
From: riilai@sara.cc.utu.fi
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Dylan singing
Date: 16 Nov 92 17:17:51 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

In article <1992Nov9.202125.26906@cs.brown.edu>, jab@cs.brown.edu (James M. Borger) writes:
> I'm taking a public speaking class, and for one speech I want to convince the
> audience that Dylan is a good singer.  If anyone knows any good quotes,
> anecdotes, or stats (?) about Dylan and especially his singing, I'd like to hear
> about it.  For example, I remember reading some good Joan Baez and Woody Gutherie
> quotes about his singing.
> 
> Does anyone have a count on how many songs he's written, including unreleased of
> course?  I think I heard 700+, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim Borger


Hope this doesn't come too late.

Jann Wenner wrote in the Rolling Stone review of the Slow Train Coming:
  "Bob Dylan is the greatest singer of our times. No one is better. No one, 
   in objective fact, is even very close. His versality and vocal skills
   are un matched. His reconance and feeling are beyond those of any of his
   contemporaries. More than his ability with words, and more than his insight,
   his voice is God's greatest gift to him."

I also remember reading Allen Ginsberg calling Dylan the best white blues
singer. Can't remember where it was though.

And, I was reading Paul Williams book "Bob Dylan.Performing Artist"(the 1st
part) and found this:
  In an interview by Hubert Saal in Feb. 1968 Dylan, when talking about John
Wesley Harding, explains how the music to which the words are sung to is the
important thing and how he writes songs because he needs something to sing.
He also says: "A great poet doesn't necessarily make a great singer but a 
great singer always makes a great poet."

The book ("Performing Artist") is full of good stuff about Dylan's singing
abilities. And Paul Williams can write!!!!!! Reading him should convince
anyone that Dylan's singing is as good and as important as the words he
sings.(And I say this after only reading bits and pieces of the book,
I'm happy to have most of it ahead of me.)


Riitta