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From: mcfadm@dnrhal.dnr.wisc.gov ((Non omnia possumus omnes.))
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Sources for study scores?
Date: 8 Jan 1993 10:55:14 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I'm looking for study and miniature scores for 20th century chamber and
orchestral works.

In particular I'd be interested in finding sources for the Shostakovich
symphony scores in the Kalmus editions and Robert Simpson symphonies and
string quartets.

In general my local store is loathe to supply or stock these sorts of scores
because of the "limited" call for them.  I'd be interested in talking
directly to CPP-Belwin or Faber Music in London, but (*alas*) I haven't
an address for either.  It seems that getting a consistent source for
these sorts of scores is truly a hit-or-miss proposition with most retail
outlets.

So here are the direct questions:

        o  do any of you have any experience with buying scores directly
           from CPP-Belwin or Faber (or from any other publisher)?
        o  does anyone have a local source they would like to recommend
           for study and miniature scores?
        o  is there a better way to go about getting reasonable quality
           scores for twentieth century works?

As always, any help will be appreciated and eMAIL responses will be
summarized back to the net.

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                                                                  Mark McFadden
                                              EMail: mcfadm@dnrmai.dnr.wisc.gov
                                      Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources
                                                     Madison,  Wisconsin  53707
                                        fax: (608)267-9380 voice: (608)267-9804
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: 2267 Performance Rating for 10-year old in Montreal
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:24:47 GMT

In article <03JAN93.15368608.0062@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CCHB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CCHB000) writes:
>
>Someone posted a table a few months ago with the approximate ratings
>of some strong players (past and present) at different age levels.
>Here is a quick summary (age at which rating level was reached):
>
>Name        1800 1900 2000 2100 2200 2300 2400 2500 2600 2700
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>Short         9   10   10   11   12   12   14   15   20
>Fischer      10   12   12   13   13   14   14   14   16   20
>Kasparov      9   10   10   11   12   13   15   15   16   20
>Karpov        8    9   10   11   12   14   15   19   20   23
>Mecking      10   11   12   13   13   13   14   15   21
>Spassky       9   10   11   12   12   14   15   16   18   28
>Alekhine     11   12   13   14   14   15   16   19   25   28
>Capablanca    9   10   11   12   13   16   17   18   20   24
>Pomar         9   10   10   11   12   13   19   28
>Adams        10   10   11   12   13   13   16   17   19
>Reshevsky     7    7    7    8    9   11   19   23   26
>

I remember when this table appeared on r.g.c. (after Short-Karpov), but I
didn't give it much thought then. I wonder if it might be misleading. How
are the ratings for Soviet players translated?

If 2000 means that the player became a Candidate Master (the title which
takes the same place in the hierarchy as Expert), than it is wrong because
a Soviet Candidate Master should be at least 2150 USCF strong.

It should also be mentioned that Alekhine learned the moves rather late (at
11?) and that Fischer was mostly self-taught until he reached at least A class
strength (he played his first rated tournament at 12, I think).

Judith Polgar was definitely of master strength at 10.

And I must say that very young players are much less uncommon in Europe than
in the US. There are many more scholastic tournaments (well, I can say this
for sure only about Eastern Europe) which are usually played at G/40 time
control, which makes the transition from casual play to `real' tournaments
a little easier.

	Sven

Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Subject: Re: 2267 rating for ten year old
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:36:43 GMT

In article <C0EAJ3.Ayo.2@cs.cmu.edu> jaa+@F.GP.CS.CMU.EDU (James Altucher) writes:
>
>   
>   How old were Ilya Gurevich and Stuart Rachels when they 
>became masters. ...

Jim Rachels (who was there) reports:
================================================================
Hi Ken--Stuart made master at age 11 years 10 months.
This was the youngest ever, and 12 years later the
record still stands.  (The "10 months" sticks in my
mind because kids shooting at the record need the
precise date.)    --Jim
================================================================

-- 
Kenneth Sloan                   Computer and Information Sciences
sloan@cis.uab.edu               University of Alabama at Birmingham
(205) 934-2213                  115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station 
(205) 934-5473 FAX              Birmingham, AL 35294-1170
From: linb@ucs.orst.edu (Benjamin Lin)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Guatamalan Defense
Date: 12 Jan 1993 06:18:01 GMT
Organization: University Computing Services - OSU
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucs.orst.edu

Thanks to Lewis for posting the Guatamalan Defense (1...b6 2...Ba6)
games by Cohn.  Cohn seems to like playing ...c5 in this system.
This move helps to complicate the game giving Black decent chances
for counterplay.  I prefer ...c6 intending ...Nc7 and ...d5 with
...g6 and ...Bg7.  

after 1 e4 b6 2 d4 Ba6 3 c4 e6 4 Bd3 d5!?  isn't Black already = ?

after 1 e4 b6 2 d4 Ba6 3 Bxa6! is supposed to be best.  Why not 3 Be2!?

Has this opening been used in any recent tournaments?

-benoni
t
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: mem@world.std.com (Jeff Lesser)
Subject: Re: Computer chess recommendation?
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:23:23 GMT

dunster@sdsu.edu (mark dunster) writes:

>A friend of mine is looking to buy a portable chess computer
>(in the States). Can anyone give a recommendation on which one
>he might consider (a strong level of play is the most important
>criterion), with the price and location. I have an old Conchess 
>Escorter (with some sort of "championship" cartridge) which he 
>likes, but he wants a more portable set (not one of those mini 
>travel sets, though).

>Thanks in advance.  mark dunster

Check out the Saitek Travel Champion.  It's pretty strong (maybe 2050) and
has good logistics and features as well (at least to my personal
preferences).  It's around $100 from ICD or USCF.


Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: anderson@skylitskylit.dseg.ti.com ()
Subject: Knights Tour
Reply-To: anderson@skylitskylit.dseg.ti.com ()
Organization: Texas Instruments
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:52:14 GMT


Can the knights tour be completed starting from any square on a regular
8x8 chess board.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: 1 BOOK ONLY
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:22:51 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

In article <1Xg0wB1w164w@tweekco.uucp>, jay@tweekco.uucp (Jay Whitley) writes:
> Your personal chess library is being confiscated and
> taken away forever.  You are allowed to keep 1 BOOK ONLY.
> Which chess book do you keep and why?

Bill Wall's "Spike"

I have several books on the spike and i think this is most complete.

of course, Basman's book is excellent, but it only covers the 2. h3
variation (although very thoroughly).

Honorable mention to

"60 Memorable Games" by the Angry Chess God Himself (no, not Larry Evans)
From: gpylant@admin1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: 1 BOOK ONLY
Date: 12 Jan 93 10:35:43 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

In article <1Xg0wB1w164w@tweekco.uucp>, jay@tweekco.uucp (Jay Whitley) writes:
> Your personal chess library is being confiscated and
> taken away forever.  You are allowed to keep 1 BOOK ONLY.
> Which chess book do you keep and why?

"A Comtemporary Approach to the Middlegame" by Suetin would be the book to keep.
I have too many opening books and all the Informants except 55.  I have always
been accused of being a "book player" with no positional sense, so 
Middlegame  and endgame books must be studied to get rid of this image.
Gary
From: riley@hotmetal.EBay.Sun.COM (Riley Hughes)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Njdorf Sicilian 6. Bg5 and 7. Bc4
Date: 12 Jan 1993 18:54:06 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: riley@hotmetal.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: hotmetal.ebay.sun.com


Folks,

In the Najdorf Sicilian

1 e4   c5
2 Nf3  d6
3 d4   cd
4 Nxd4 Nf6
5 Nc3  a6

I have recently seen 

6 Bg5  e6
7 Bc4

or transposing

6 Bc4  e6
7 Bg5

a mix of two systems.  I am unable to locate any information in my opening
manuals on this position.  This looks playable for white.  Does anyone have
any thoughts about black's and white's plans in this position?

Riley Hughes
From: seh@neutron.physics.arizona.edu (Steven E. Hoell)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: 2267 rating for ten year old
Date: 8 Jan 93 16:25:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson AZ

>Here is a list of players by age and their ratings from USCF rating
>supplements. I've only listed the top rated in each age group. - Bill Wall

>Name		AGE	RATING  YEAR

...             ..      ....    ....

>WINSTON,P      14      2200    1972  (master at age 14 years, 3 months)
>ROGOFF         14      2200    1967  (master at age 14 years, 8 months)

What ever happened to these folks? Did they get real jobs or something?
I remember watching Rogoff at the 1975 U.S. Championship, where his
2nd place finish qualified him for the Interzonal.



Steve Hoell		seh@neutron.physics.arizona.edu
From: hcn@calvin.inesc.pt (Horacio Neto)
Subject: Re: Help!  Chess game in Blade Runner
Reply-To: hcn@inesc.pt
Organization: INESC, Lisboa Portugal
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 15:26:38 GMT


In article <11592@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au (Murray Chapman) writes:

   From: muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au (Murray Chapman)
   Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
   Date: 6 Jan 93 03:55:34 GMT
   Sender: news@cs.uq.oz.au
   Reply-To: muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au
   Lines: 49

   Hi there

   I'm writing the FAQ file for the movie "Blade Runner".  In this movie, there
   is a chess game, which probably mirrors the actions of the characters in the
   story.

   (stuff deleted)

	   The moves are:

		   Sebastian:      Queen to Bishop 6 check

		   Tyrell:         Knight takes Queen

		   Sebastian (with Roy's help):
				   Bishop to King 7 checkmate

   [Proper chess notation, anyone?]


   Thanks,
   Murray
   --
   ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
     Murray Chapman                           muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au
     University of Queensland                 How many lightbulb jokes does it
     Brisbane, Australia                      take to change the subject?


A game that fits the description above is the famous "Immortal game",
played in London in 1851:

Anderssen,Adolf-Kieseritzky,L
London, 1851
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 Qh4+ 4.Kf1 b5 5.Bxb5 Nf6 6.Nf3 Qh6 7.d3 Nh5 8.Nh4 
Qg5 9.Nf5 c6 10.g4 Nf6 11.Rg1 cxb5 12.h4 Qg6 13.h5 Qg5 14.Qf3 Ng8 15.Bxf4 
Qf6 16.Nc3 Bc5 17.Nd5 Qxb2 18.Bd6 Qxa1+ 19.Ke2 Bxg1 20.e5 Na6 21.Nxg7+ 
Kd8 22.Qf6+ Nxf6 23.Be7+ 1-0

 
--
 
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INESC - Instituto de Engenharia de Sistemas e Computadores
	Rua Alves Redol, 9
	1000 Lisboa - PORTUGAL           
	Phone: + 351 1 3100366
	Fax: + 351 1 525843
	e-mail: hcn@inesc.pt
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: deuskar@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Shridhar R Deuskar)
Subject: Re: latest rankings
Organization: University of Massachusets, Amherst
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 16:17:57 GMT

	A tremendous performance by V.Anand !
	He has broken the 2700 barrier for the first time !!
	Now for the 2800 mark .......

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From: dweddin@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: DON WEDDING....INNOCENT ?????
Date: 11 Jan 93 12:20:00 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services


well,

i have sent email to David Thompson and have asked him to contact
the university of toledo computer services and "turn me in"....

*TODAY*

(note the trailing elipses that i use....
I *MUST* be guilty, since nobody else ever uses trailing elipses!!!!)


well, at last all the folks on rec.games.chess will know the truth...

is DMC a real person or was he an alter ego of a sociopathic
SPIKE-GROB-ANGRIFF playing mad man who is a career class-C player.

the suspense is killing me.

well, i'll log in tonight at midnite and i will either read from Mr. Thompson
a letter filled with 

"I told you so's"

or a letter of

"Oops, sorry don.  maybe i was a little premature in damning your integrity"


either way....the NET will know the truth.

stay tuned!!!!!!!!!!

don wedding

and perhaps......

   DMC ?!?!?!?!?  (only david thompson knows for sure!!!!!!)
From: csabatier@nola.win.net (Conrad J. Sabatier)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: ICS Info Wanted
Date: 7 Jan 1993 12:50:10 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: csabatier@nola.win.net (Conrad J. Sabatier)
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I've seen a number of references to ICS lately, and am very curious.
Sounds like some sort of online chess service.  Can anyone provide
me with some info on this?

Thanks,

Conrad

 

+------------------------+
| csabatier@nola.win.net |
+------------------------+
From: marcelk@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Marcel van Kervinck)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: FIDE Top ratings
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:25:40 GMT
Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands.
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Jussi Salminen (jussi@lut.fi) wrote:
: 
: 	FIDE Rating list, January 1993 
: 	-from a Finnish newspaper 'Helsingin Sanomat'
: 	-the number after the rating indicates the change since the
: 	 previous rating list
: 
Guess who left the top 10: Timman and Short!

: 13. Nigel Short (England)			2655   -25
: 18. Jan Timman (Netherlands)			2635   -30

	Marcel

--
Marcel van Kervinck
marcelk@stack.urc.tue.nl
From: bruhn@exaib (Peter Bruhn )
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: DMC is really Don Wedding
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 14:30:54 MESZ
Organization: WU-Wien
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: exaib.wu-wien.ac.at

In article <1ifp0aINNgkr@life.ai.mit.edu> from [6 Jan 1993 23:12:10 GMT] you wrote:
 > 
 > I thought this article was really cool.  I can't vouch for the validity
 > of the research inovlved, but it was well written and fun to read.  I
 > only wish I had read more of Don's postings before this DMC came along.
 > I didn't know until just now that Don was from U of Toledo.  Apparently,
 > he was using someone's account over the holidays.  Perhaps his threat to
 > return to r.g.c was because he was using this account illegally while
 > the real user was not using it and he didn't want the user to find out
 > how his account was being abused.  This would also be supported by the fact
 > that he unleashed his postmaster on people who continued to send email
 > to that account.  Coincidentally, he is the only person I have ever heard
 > of that has such a strong opposition to replying to personal email, but
 > is perfectly willing to reply all day long via USENET posts.  I don't know
 > if the real dcrosgr@... gave Don his password or if Don found out in
 > some other manner, but I think the U. of Toledo should be informed of
 > the situation.  I think Mr. Thompson should submit his data (it would be
 > inappropriate for anyone else to do so without his permission) and report
 > this abuse.  What do you think?
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > 
 > ================================================================
 > =             T. Andy Frakes (joltman@ai.mit.edu)              =
 > =                                                              =
 > = This user does not believe in smiley faces.  Insert your own =
 > ================================================================

I think this is really a bad idea. There is no proof that this account was
abused. I have got the feeling that your proposal is some sort of
(inappropriate) revenge for the rude postings of DMC. If you really think
that the account was abused by DMC, wait two weeks and send a mail to
this account indicating what you believe. Then the owner of the account
will read your message and take appropriate actions.

Peter

P.S: Sorry for posting things that are not related to chess, but I could not
  resist
From: jeff@emily10.Berkeley.EDU (Jeffrey C. Ely)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Keep it up and I will come back!
Date: 5 Jan 1993 23:30:42 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: emily10.berkeley.edu


Somebody ought to send that article to whatever USENET authority exists.
It seems like pretty good evidence of what all of us have suspected all along.
(Uh oh... I hope DMC doesn't start disputing my understanding of the
theory of evidence).  I'll bet there are quite anumber of newsgroups that
DMC holds hostage at any one time.  Is there some way to find out?
From: bruhn@exaib (Peter Bruhn )
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: question: rules (draw by repetition)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:18:37 MESZ
Organization: WU-Wien
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: exaib.wu-wien.ac.at

What are the exact words of the rule concerning "draw by repetition".
What I have in mind is the following point:

If a position (defined as the location of pieces) appears the third time, 
but the list of possible moves is different (say you cannot castle anymore
since you have moved your king), is this a draw or not?

I suppose it is not (sounds sensible), but anyway I want to be sure.

Thans
Peter
From: steven@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk (Steven Rix)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Walker's LaTex chess font etc. for Macintos
Date: 5 Jan 93 10:45:35 GMT
Reply-To: steven@Chemeng.Ed.Ac.Uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Chemical Engineering Department.
NNTP-Posting-Host: gour.chemeng.ed.ac.uk

I have used a different set, distributed by a dutch guy called Piet Tutelaers.
The quality is excellent.

If anyone in Europe is interested, e-mail me and I will forward details of where
the files can be obtained from. There is some TUGboat documentation.

Don't know about the Mac bit, though.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: LIPSCOJA@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Andy Lipscomb)
Subject: Re: 2267 Performance Rating for 10-year 
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:17:33 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

> Surely they wouldn't give him the IM title just for winning
> the world under-10 championship.  That's as much as the 
> winner of the World Junior (under 21) gets.`

I believe champions in lower age groups are given FM (and WFM for girls'
divisions).

  |
--+-- Andy Lipscomb
  |   lipscoja@(ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu,vuctrvax.bitnet)
  |   Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan)
Subject: Re: question: rules (draw by repetition)
Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:22:45 GMT

In article <7264199178-37189@exaib> bruhn@exaib (Peter Bruhn ) writes:
>What are the exact words of the rule concerning "draw by repetition".
>What I have in mind is the following point:
>
>If a position (defined as the location of pieces) appears the third time, 
>but the list of possible moves is different (say you cannot castle anymore
>since you have moved your king), is this a draw or not?

No.  From the USCF rules:

    "... The position is considered the same if pieces of the
     same kind and color occupy the same swuares and if the 
     possible moves of all the pieces are the same, including
     the right to castle or to take a pawn *en passant.*" 


-- 
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(205) 934-5473 FAX              Birmingham, AL 35294-1170
From: Bruce_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Harper)
Subject: Looking for Suttles games for book
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:49:11 GMT

I am currently involved in writing a book on GM Duncan Suttles.  If anyone
has any of his games, please contact me.  I have access to the more high
profile events in which he played (Belgrad 1969, San Antonio 1972, the
Olympiads, the Interzonals), so I am more interested in Opens (but I also
have the 1973 US Open games).

I would also like a call from Eric Schiller's assistant, if he reads this.  I
don't have any of your old letters, so I apologize for the public request for
mail!

Before you send me any games, e-mail me, as I have over 300 now and wish to
avoid putting anyone through undue effort.  I will repost this request
periodically.

Thanks in advance.
From: dsthompson@twics.co.jp
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: DMC is really Don Wedding
Date: 11 Jan 93 04:01:16 GMT
Organization: TWICS, Tokyo, Japan

Onar Aam (onar@hsr.no) writes:

> David, this was truly convincing. You gave the term Statistical
> Proof a whole new meaning. But one thing: What was YOUR motives when
> investigating the similarities. From your post it is obvious that
> you have spent hours and hours  on this. Of course, I can understand
> that in the heat of investigation your inspiration was boosted by the
> highly encouraging results of your analysis.  But was it really worth
> it? The feelings which induced your analysis are easy to grasp, but
> what are your feelings *after* the analysis?

I began the research because I wanted to satisfy my own curiosity, and
put my intuition to critical test. I went to the trouble of writing the
article because the one thing that bothers me more than haze of
obfuscation, hyperbole and platitude I all too often find myself
surrounded by is people passively accepting it (or cynically
rejecting it and burying their head in the sand).

Finding the relevant information really wasn't that hard. I have
very good software tools for that kind of work (anyone with Unix has
adequate tools for text analysis in grep, sed, awk, spell, etc.).
Organizing a the presentation and writing it up did take a bit more
time than I expected.

Was it worth it? I satisfied my curiosity. I think I accomplished the
goal of making it clear that the house of rec.games.chess isn't
really burning down (and it only seemed so because a pyromaniac was
using mirrors). Most gratifying, though, is the number of persons
who have sent email saying they *enjoyed* the article. That was a
total accident -- and definitely makes the effort "worth it."

You know, I would really like to put this thread and all the DMC threads
to rest so that the newsgroup can get back chess. Email is always
welcome, of course. 

David Thompson
dsthompson@twics.co.jp

If I seem to have taken a long to post a reply, blame my newsfeed. It is
consistently a few days behind in receiving netnews.  Mail, however,
is very fast.
From: jeff@emily1.Berkeley.EDU (Jeffrey C. Ely)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Timman-Short?
Date: 6 Jan 1993 20:24:32 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Statistics, U. C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: emily1.berkeley.edu

I can't remember if I already posted this, so forgive me if this is a repeat.

Anybody have access to the Short-Timman games?

Go Timman!!
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess