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From: jaye@intermec.com (Jaye Jarchow x2735)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,talk.politics.soviet
Subject: Re: Leningrad reference in Star Trek 4
Date: 11 Sep 92 20:12:36 GMT
Reply-To: jaye@intermec.com (Jaye Jarchow x2735)
Organization: Intermec Corporation, Everett WA

In article <1992Sep8.035809.6239@europa.lonestar.org} tom@europa.lonestar.org (Tom Kimball) writes:
}In article <8358@orbit.cts.com} dowling@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Stephen Dowling) writes:
}}Just bought ST4:TVH on sale at the video store ... I notice YATI that no one
}}could have anticipated.
}}
}}"Alien Communications Officer" (Jane Wiedlin?) is giving the weather reports
}}from around Earth, and includes "Leningrad."  Maybe sometime in the future,
}}the people of St. Petersburg will get nostalgic and change the name ... again.
}
}Hopefully not...and I doubt it.
}
}}Of course, this is not criticism.  Just another reminder of some institutions
}}that haven't outlasted Star Trek.
}
}I think this is sloppy writing and they SHOULD have known better.  I noticed
}the reference to Leningrad the first day Star Trek 4 was released in ...

Hey, maybe she meant Leningrad, Florida or something. ???

Jaye Jarchow   | Simple rules to become rich:
Software Engr. | 1. Go to work early.  2. Stay at work late.  3. Find oil.
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: thomask@rocky.rmhs.colorado.edu (Thomas C Kerrigan)
Subject: Re: BORG : Why are they all humans ..... (An Idea)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 18:05:30 GMT
Organization: Rocky Mountain High School
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: rccarm00@mik.uky.edu (ron c carman)
Subject: _War_Drums_ Review: *SPOILERS*
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 18:47:15 GMT

   Another month, another ST novel.  I have no idea how
Pocket Books went wrong with its series of books, but
when is not hard to determine...

*SPOILERS* for John Vornholt's novel _War_Drums_

Trek novels in general and John Vornholt's books
in particular continue to deteriorate... last chance!


   Well, the best one-word description of this one would have to
be: DUH; or if you need a real word, questionable works well.
   Vornholt seems to have developed a talent for stating the
obvious.  For example:  Before beaming down to Selva to see
the Klingon whom the colonists have managed to capture, we see
Picard tell Data to memorize the coordinates of the prisoner, 
in case the colonists have mistreated him, and a rescue is 
necessary.  Then, when the landing party is about to see the
prisoner, we get this:

         As Oscaras reached for the heavy bolt that locked
        the door Deanna saw Captain Picard and Data exchange
        glances, and Data nodded slightly.  The android must
        have been given a secret order, she knew immediately.

Come on.  Don't insult our intelligence.
   I also have a real problem with the scenes given to Guinan.
I will admit that she is a hard character to treat justly, but
her dialogue is absolutely awful... "I have a feeling that
you're desperately needed down there"... ugh.
   Those of you who are such fans of the old "tacked on menace"
will be sorry to note that one is present here; indeed, Vornholt
seems to have taken lessons from the people who came up with
the one for "Cost of Living" ;-).  With an away team on the planet,
the Enterprise is called away for an emergency *mapping* mission.
Two races apparently had to have their solar system mapped in
order to begin peace negotiations...

   All in all, this was a decidedly *average* (possibly less than
average) outing; there were a few good moments, but at the moment
I'm hard pressed to remember when.  Perhaps Mr. Vornholt should
try writing *better* stories instead of more plentiful ones (he's
put out two ST novels in the last two months)...

RC Carman


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From: tlynch@cco.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST: TNG- The Next Phase
Date: 15 Sep 92 00:45:22 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena

goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:

>Hi. Not meaning to start a discussion already done to death,
>but, over the weekend I was watching this episode with my
>6 year old daughter. About half way through she turns to me
>and says, 'but mommy, why don't they just fall through the
>floor?'. After having read all the discussion when the episode
>first aired, I almost fell through the floor laughing. 8-)

I'm reminded of a passage from Asimov's (rather lengthy) autobiography.  He
and his daughter have just finished watching "Fantastic Voyage".

"But Daddy, won't the submarine expand later and kill the man?"
"Well, yes, Robyn, but you have to understand that you're more intelligent
than the average Hollywood producer.  After all, you're eight."

:-) :-)

Tim Lynch
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: jkness@IASTATE.EDU (Joel K Ness)
Subject:  Re: burger king 
Reply-To: jkness@IASTATE.EDU (Joel K Ness)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 00:49:07 GMT

>In article 12841, wh20@iastate.edu (Gregory D Westwater) wrote >

>> the burger king on downtown lincolnway cheats customers.  they gave me a
punch
>> card, and now that i am getting bigger and bigger items for free, they have
>> stopped honoring the card.  They said it is impossible that they gave me the
>> card and that they haven't seen them before.  BULLL!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Hmm-mmm.  Sounds like the Ferengi are involved.  I can't name the episode,
>but its gotta be TNG.  Wait, no, maybe it was from the Fisher King.
>
>:-) :-)
>
>Gregg


Sounds as though a freshman was captured by the borger king.  He has
been assymilated.  Resistance was futile.
--
******************************************************************************
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Aerospace Engineering and Engineering Mechanics Dept.
2064 Black Engineering
Iowa State University                   "But captain, I can't change the 
Ames, Iowa  50010                        laws of physics"--Montgomery Scott
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: updike@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Todd F. Updike)
Subject: Re: RE: Warp Speed!
Reply-To: updike@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com
Organization: LMSC, Sunnyvale, California
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 21:35:08 GMT

In article <8357@orbit.cts.com>, dowling@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Stephen Dowling) writes:
>
>updike@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Todd F. Updike) writes:
>>I've got to make one comment...
>>I love this forum, but it is SO popular that it fills
>>up so damn quickly !
>
>Agreed.  I hate to do it, but frequenly I end up scanning the "Subject"
>string, reading the first message of a thread, and skipping the rest.
> 
>stephen dowling
>dowling@pnet51.orb.mn.org


Hey folks, guess what, I discovered the command: "NEXT" (read next article).
This makes life much easier!  You see, the reason I had initially complained
about having to read all these articles was 'cuz I didn't know of these
(and probably other time-saving commands); I had to keep hitting RETURN
endlessly, in essence paging through each and every page of every article.
What a royal pain in the rump this was !!!!!!!
Especially for some of those 9 or 10 page articles !!!

So now that I know of NEXT, it isn't nearly so irritating.
PS, are there any other neat commmands that people can recommend me?

PPS, Is there supposed to be a rec.personals or *.personals group ??
I would be interested in posting a "personals" ad, but on our system,
there is no *.personals,  just things like *.personals.misc or .bondage,
which, although I may be into during my one-unoccupeid-hand fantasies,
I am not into in real life.

- Todd

          [.sig]  <---- anyone who has just now figured out the NEXT
                        command can't seriously be expected to  know
                        how to make a .sig file !!

Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: yxl5388@ultb.isc.rit.edu (Y.X. Liu )
Subject: Re: ST: TNG- The Next Phase
Originator: yxl5388@ultb
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 11:46:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep08.173547.159797@zeus.calpoly.edu> gbloom@zeus.calpoly.edu (Dark Elf (Gregg Bloom)) writes:
>Yet again, goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) moans:
>>Hi. Not meaning to start a discussion already done to death,
>>but, over the weekend I was watching this episode with my
>>6 year old daughter. About half way through she turns to me
>>and says, 'but mommy, why don't they just fall through the
>>floor?'. After having read all the discussion when the episode
>>first aired, I almost fell through the floor laughing. 8-)
>>
>>                                          Patti Twigg
>
>Relativity?  Y' got me....
>
>BTW -->  Bright kid ya got there...
>

This is the same question I always ask whenever the same phasing
situation occur in films. Why don't the ghosts in Ghost fall through the
Earth and get stuck near the center of the Earth? Geordi and Ro
should've been stuck to the artificial gravity generator. :)
From: judson@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Michael Judson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Q and Riker
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:43:22 GMT

I was watching a re-run of the episode when Q gives Riker the power of the
Q.  His reasoning was that the Q continuum wanted to learn more about the
humans.  Picard, after learning about Riker's powers, told him that Q had
muttled has brain.  Was Tasha correct in saying that the Q only wanted to
use humans as objects of ridicule, or something like that?  That by giving
Riker the Q power, they could all laugh at him because he wouldn't know how
to use it, etc?  Or, was Q right?  That humans have a quality that the Q
couldn't understand and soon would become more powerful than themselves?
And was Picard jealous, as Q insisted?  That he only told Riker that the
Q had muttled his brain because he was jealous?

--
"I drank what?" -- Socrates

judson@watserv.ucr.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: "Seth M. Dworken" <p00123@psilink.com>
Subject: hot, hotter, HOTTEST!
Organization: KC3IL, Fairless Hills PA, USA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 02:09:04 GMT
X-Mailer: PSILink (3.2)

You can talk "hotter" all you want - but when you get to 
"HOTTEST", you've seem to have forgotten ... MINUET!

Of course the metamorph does have "special" talents...

-Seth
From: sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Hanna)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Borg are here!!!
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:05:51 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

In article <1992Sep9.185928.17825@newshost.unh.edu> cde@kepler.unh.edu (Charles D Elfe) writes:
>
>
>All of the recent Borg controversy I had read with extreme detachment, until
>moments ago, when I stood face-to-face with... (deep breath)... a Borg: 
>a single nozzle, hot-air, wall-mounted hand drier, model A-5. (It was even
>UL tested! - Oh, No!) Gut-wrenchingly shocked, I rushed out, down the hallway 
>to my Data General 211 terminal to warn the world, if it was not too late 
>already.
>
>Now, that I've had a few seconds to compose myself, I have begun to remember 
>some of the details of the label. It seems that the Borg are being backed by 
>corporate America: it was listed as a *division* of the Beatrice Corp. (Yikes!)
>
>:)
>
>To be even more specific, the hand driers are from an engineering firm called
>Borg-Warner. Does this mean that the Borg will appear on Babylon 5 as well? :)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^>

The winner of the Indianapolis 500 gets his face added onto the BORG-WARNER
trophy!!!!!  Does this mean that the Borg have assimilated professional
auto racing technology???  Are Mario Andretti, Al Unser Jr., A.J. Foyt, et all
actually Borg?

In all truth, Emerson Fitapaldi has always had a very pasty complexion :)


-Jeff
From: dsturm@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:TNG "The Next Phase" SPOILERS!!
Date: 8 Sep 92 08:55:29 GMT

>>	I have a question concerning the episode "The Next Phase". At the
>>end of the show, Picard is seen saying to Dr Crusher the following: "If she 
>>hadn't lost her rank in the incident on Galon 4 (sp?), I think she would have 
>>been Lieutenant Commander by now". I assume he was speaking about Ro since 
>>earlier in the episode Ro said something about Picard having given her a chance
>>when nobody else did. What is this all about?? 
> 
> 
> Heh.  Just chalk this one up to another "unsolved mystery".  Didn't you
> know that it's easier to create a veiled mystery about a major
> character's past to increase their intrigue factor than to actually
> explain what that past might be?  TNG writers sure operate this way.
> Let's list them, shall we?
> 
> -	How was Picard involved in Jack Crusher's death?

Read _Reunion_.  It was cleared by the TNG staff, so guess it is
as close as we get.
> 
> -	_Are_ JLP and Beverly involved? i.e., what does she want to tell
> 	hime every time they're placed in mortal danger?
> 
She thought the toupee he wore to Jack's funeral was a nice touch. :-)

> -	What's Guinan all about?  Where'd they find this woman/being?
> 	What's her connection to JLP?
> 
Guinan was created to showcase Whoopi, nothing more.  San Francisco,
of course.  As far as we know, they've never connected.  :-)
> and now...
> 
> -	What the hell did Ro do that was so godawful that they can't 
> 	tell us about it?
> 
Now this was stated in _Ensign Ro_.  She was in charge of an Away Team,
and it got butchered due to her lack of handling the situtation well.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: raistlin@wixer.cactus.org (Eli Boaz)
Subject: Re: Was TOS really that bad? (Re: TOS actors)
Organization: Real/Time Communications
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 08:44:12 GMT

In article <1992Sep13.144408.1000@newshost.unh.edu> ras@kepler.unh.edu (Robert A Seace) writes:
>In article <kromtigr.03dx@redorc.chi.il.us> kromtigr@redorc.chi.il.us (Ultrachrome Cowboy) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug30.211629.19796@cs.wisc.edu>, rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu
>>(Michael Rawdon) writes:
>
>[Much deleted...]
>
>>>I agree.  And, actually, even TNG's SFX aren't always that good.  (The
>>>starships, for instance, look flagrantly unrealistic; they LOOK like special
>>>effects.  The Trek Classic Enterprise really looked *real* I thought.)
>
>[More deleted...]
>
>>Have you ever seen what a real starship looks like?  I don't recall seeing any.
>> No offense, but I think that they look pretty good, considering the fact that
>>we have nothing really to compare it to in real life.  They use the same
>>techniques as in the movies.
>>
>
>	I agree with Michael (no big surprise there ;-)).  The TNG ships
>always look computer generated or something to me.

They are computer generated, initially at least.  Basically, what happens
is they use the computer images to 'cut' away sections of the film where
the ship will be.  Then they overlay the film of the ship from different
angles over the original film (seems kind of redundant to me).

>                                                    As Michael said, "they
>LOOK like special effects", which kind of defeats the whole purpose of
>having FX: to convince the audience that this is 'real'.  The TOS ships did
>indeed look 'real' to me; they had a realistic look and a solidity that
>most TNG ships lack.  The ships in the movies look pretty realistic, as
>well.  However, I really don't believe that TNG does use the same techniques
>as in the movies, as you claim.  If they do, then they are doing something
>wrong, because the end product looks like a special effect, not a real ship.
>Also, TNG doesn't use ILM (who does the FX for most of the movies; and, who
>created THE most realistic ships in any movie I've ever seen: Star Wars), so
>that might have something to do with it.
>
Well, I prefer the TNG style ships... more fluid in shape, not the ugly
cheap looking `straight lines' designs of TOS. (IMHO, of course)

I suppose this is just another case where individual likes and dis-likes
will win out, not arguments...

Just my 0.02(insert your currency here) worth...

-- 
Eli Boaz                      | Line noise provide by S.W. Bell Telephone!
raistlin@wixer.cactus.org     | "Anyone not wearing 2 million sunblock is
...!cactus.org!wixer!raistlin |  going to have a REAL BAD DAY, get it?" -T2
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Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: reh@wam.umd.edu (Richard Huddleston)
Subject: Re: The Enterprise Stinks!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 14:41:47 GMT

In article <1992Aug29.170031.1@vax1.umkc.edu> rtiger@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>
>All-
>
>I must say once and for all that I think that the Starship Enterprise is the
>most ridiculous looking starship ever dreamed up by people in Hollywood/dead
>authors/etc.
>
>I mean, let's be realistic.  First off, it has a frisbee shaped top. 
>Considering there isn't much friction in space, why not go with a big cylinder,
>and get more square feet for your money?  Then, we have to toothpick shaped
>things which I assume house the "engines" (boy, when was the last time the
>Enterprise stopped for gas) and the "torpedoes" (which make that cool blastoff
>sound even in the midst of a vacuum).
>
>Let's be real.  They should all be in something much more practical and
>economical.  This current design sucks.
>
>Roy Tiger.
>
>

I see we have a fan of the Borg ship design.
-- 
Richard Huddleston  reh@wam.umd.edu    | "It is the greatest possible victory
These are my personal opinions.        |  to be, to continue to be, and to
                                       |  have been in a universe that seems
NeXTSTEP is better: Boycott Microsoft  |  indifferent to us."  Norbert Wiener
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.startrek.misc
From: dtgordon@vax1.tcd.ie
Subject: Re: ST: DSN Cast Announced
Organization: Trinity College Dublin
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 15:40:24 GMT

In article <1992Sep10.214746.7966@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com>, updike@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Todd F. Updike) writes:
> In article <1992Sep7.090530.17214@peponi.wcc.govt.nz>, kennedy_j@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz writes:
>>In article <z9lnvxp@lynx.unm.edu>, haro@carina.unm.edu (    KANEDA) writes:
>>>ARE ALL THE BEST LEADERS BALD?????
>>>
> (some omitted)
> 
>>Hang on a second!!!!!!!!!
>>Are you saying Capt. James T Kirk was NOT a good leader????
>>
> 
> No the theory is still sound, since Kirk is also bald (he just
> wears a hairpiece !)
> 
> Besides, I should know, I'm bald too !
> (In fact, I sort of look a lot like a young Pickard !)
> 
> - Todd

	Bad news, Avery Brooks is NOT bald in DS9. In fact, I think 
	he just shaved his hair for 'Spenser: For Hire'.



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|		               | all, I shall not look upon his like |
|    <DTGORDON@vax1.tcd.ie>    | again.       **Hamlet I, i**        |
From: wjolitz@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Jolitz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Deep Space Nine News
Date: 9 Sep 1992 20:16:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu



In article <8TiFqB2w165w@memalph.UUCP> system@memalph.UUCP (Woody Harper) writes:
>Here is some info on ST:DS9...
>
>ODO: The Security Officer.  A shapeshifter.  He is from an unknown
>race; he was found alone on a derelict spacecraft.  He hopes someday
>that a ship will come through the wormhole whose crew can tell him who
>and what he is.  At night he must revert to his native form, a
>shapeless mass of jelly.  ...

Oh, to be a blobel!

Lynne Jolitz.
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
From: tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jeffrey S. Jo)
Subject: Re: 25th Aniversary game - HELP!!!!
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 04:15:07 GMT

Try having the security officer do something in the weapons room.  It's
been a while since I've played, so  this may NOT work, but I do remember
the security officer touching the weapons room console.  If this doesn't
work, sorry.  
					Jeffrey S. Jo

-- 
|Jeffrey S. Jo                   |	         F-14D Tomcat                 |
|Computer Operations		 |             VF-142 Ghostriders             |
|University of Nebraska at Omaha |       United States Navy F-14 Tomcat       |
|tomcat@cwis.unomaha.edu         |              Fighter Squadron              |
From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The Enterprise Stinks!
Date: 5 Sep 92 11:48:55 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <188nk5INN8lk@agate.berkeley.edu> emarkp@soda.berkeley.edu (E. Mark Ping) writes:
>}Star Trek in our lifetimes.  I immediately recognized this from STIV:StW
>                                                                      ^^^??

>?????  What's "StW" ?????
>  It should be STIV:TVH, ya know?  Geez, I don't know how people get
>admitted to the trekker (or trekkie if you prefer) club anymore.  What ever
>happened to quality control?  :-)

Star Trek IV: Save the Whales!

Where've you been hiding? ;-)


-- 
Jorge Diaz                       | Sign in a restaurant:
Georgia Institute of Technology  | 
Office of Information Technology |   "We reserve the right to serve refuse to
ccoprdj@prism.gatech.edu         |        anyone."
From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Premiere explicitly scheduled
Keywords: _Time's_Arrow_II_ or maybe _Fruit's_Bananna_ ??          stealth.sig
Date: 6 Sep 92 00:20:40 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <#+nnd7d.obrien@netcom.com>, obrien@netcom (Robert O'Brien) writes:
>One of the local TNG stations, KBHK (44) is now running a promotional
>commercial for the new season (didn't see any *new* scenes) and is 
>explicitly stating 8:00 pm September 23rd.

OK, all together now: "TNG is a syndicated program".

This means that each station schedules it whenever they damn well want to.
When TNG first started, we saw it here Friday nights at 7.  Then, they
moved it to Monday at 9, then Monday at 7, then back to Monday at 9.

This means that any specific scheduling information is completely useless
outside the broadcast range of the station in question.

I'll see TA2 9pm, September 21.  Do you care?  I didn't think so.

-- 
Dave Schaumann			dave@cs.arizona.edu
From: tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: ST:TNG "The Next Phase" SPOILERS!!
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:02:09 GMT
Organization: Ailanthus Project

pjm6z@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Dave Lister) writes:

> In article <1992Sep8.162651.5971@sura.net> nunn@sura.net (Deborah Nunn) write
> >Well, I hope no one else has done this.   My apologies if this is a
> >duplication!
> >
> >In article <1992Sep3.125510.8167@bnlux1.bnl.gov> schroede@bnlux1.bnl.gov (ga
> >>
> >>-	How was Picard involved in Jack Crusher's death?
> >
> >He was, quite simply, in charge of the away team which Jack Crusher was
> >part of when he was snuffed out.
> >
> BZZZZZTTTTT!  Wrong answer.  Read the TNG Hardcover _Reunion_ and the death
> of Jack Crusher is explained.  It has nothing to do with an away team.
> 
> Dave Lister
> lister@virginia.edu
> 
> -- 
> "On the one hand we have Holly a computer with the IQ in excess of 12 thousan
>  who has a total grasp of astrophysics.  On the other we have Lister, who, an
>  let's be fair, is a complete and total gimp."

BZZZZZZTTTTT! Wrong answer. The Reunion novel is not canon or official.