From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
Subject: Re: Who's redefining pregnancy?
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 16:42:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.033103.23921@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.001953.20506@noao.edu> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
>>From article <144@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, by sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin):
>>> In article <5DEC92.15182479@vax.clarku.edu> hsims@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>>>#In a previous article, forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) wrote:
>>>## 
>>>##The fact is, that doctors simply can't _detect_ pregnancy before implantation.
>
>Hey, Mark!  When is the earliest any sort of pregnancy test will give you a
>reliable result?
>
About 3 days after fertilization. Implantation occurs anywhere from
3-7 days after fertlization. But these aren't home tests either, so
it's not really likely that anybody would discover pregnancy before
implantation. Mainly because Frau Forgasm is the only woman I've ever
seen who claimed to know the exact date of conception. Other women
wait till trhey havea real reason to suspect pregnancy and then get a
test.

>>>##That is a far site different from "don't consider".   If any of those same
>>>##doctors were to schedule a woman of child-bearing age for an x-ray, he/she
>>>##would not fail to ask if she had had sex since her last period, thereby
>>>##possibly being pregnant.   
>>>#
>>>#I've had to have X-rays several times over the past few years because my body 
>>>#has this nasty habit of producing positive results on TB tests.  I am a women 
>>>#of childbearing age.  The doctors and X-ray technicians always ask "Are you 
>>>#pregnant", and when I say no they go ahead with the X-ray.  No pregnancy test 
>>>#or anything.  And they have never asked questions about my sex life before 
>>>#doing an X-ray.
>
>Suxanne visits some weird doctors, you know?
>
They're probably all hoping for a bit of that platonic enterage Suzzie
was gong on about earlier...

>>> 
>>> Heather, this is Suzanne that you're addressing.  
>>
>>Yeah, so watch out!
>
>You wouldn't want to get hit by a ton of illogic, would you?
>
>>
>>;-) for the humor impaired.
>
>(Ditto.)
>
>>
>>> She thinks that it's
>>> perfectly normal for a dentist to ask if you're a virgin or not,
>>
>>I never suggested he asked.  I did suggest he was affronted by her
>>lifestyle being so clean next to his.   And perhaps he did ask about
>>her lifestyle in the course of scheduling her for an x-ray anyway.
>
>So now you're claiming that he (a gay man) asked her out, she turned him
>down, he found out she was a virgin, and _that's_ when he decided to
>"inject her virginal carcass with AIDS as she lay on his floor"?
>
>You've completly flipped out, Suxanne.  Totally.
>
As I recall, this particular Forgasian claim was what got her ellected
to the Council of Net.Idiots, the Net Stupid Fundy Award, and the Net
Stupid Conspiracy Award all at the same time...

>>
>>> so it's not surprising that she thinks that other doctors quiz you about
>>> your sex life, too.  
>>
>>Hey, it certainly happens, and not just for x-rays.
>
>Let me guess.  Your doctor is so caring that if you fall and sprain your 
>ankle, the *first* thing he asks you about is if you've had sex since your
>last period?  Does he then offer to check your mucus?
>
>> 
>>> For the record, though, I've had several x-rays in the past few years,
>>> too.  I've been asked "Is there any way that you could be pregnant?",
>>> but never have I been asked "Have you had sex since your last period?".
>
>The last time I had one, there was this big sign on the door going into the
>changing room:  "If there is _any_ chance you might be pregnant, tell the
>technician _now_".
>
>>Just so you don't continue in your ignorance, there _are_ doctors that
>>ask that exact question in those exact words, rather than leave it to
>>your untrained medical judgement as to whether you could be pregnant or
>>not. When a doctor asked me that exact question, the curiosity killed me,
>>and I asked him _why_ he wanted to know if we were concerned about my lungs.
>>He then explained it was because he was scheduling me for an x-ray.
>
Says something about your doctor when he asks questions about your sex
life but doesn't bother to inform you of desired tests.

>You should sell that to ABC for a mini-series, Suxanne.

They could get Rosanne and John Arnold to play it. You *know* it would
have to be a comedy....


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