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From: tmh@bigfoot.first.gmd.de (Thomas Hoberg)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.benchmarks
Subject: Re: Performance of Intel 80x86 CPUs in UNIX environment (repost)
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:33:13 GMT
Followup-To: comp.sys.intel
Organization: GMD-FIRST, Berlin
In-reply-to: eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg's message of 3 Nov 92 04:15:57 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.041557.20712@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
   SPEC benchmark is no longer a typical user program. My main load now is
   the running of X-window applications. Anyone has figures for X11 running on
   Intel Microprocessors?

   I only try it on our 386/25(no cache)  and 486/33. The figure for
    X11perf -bigtilerect500
   is about 2 versus 4.4 per second. The speedup is only 120% which shows that
   the internal cache effect becomes negligible.
	   Even then x11perf is a repetition benchmark which can make available
   cache look more impressive than it should be.
Be very careful when using Xperf as a benchmark on an ISA based system.
You might end up measureing ISA throughput and unsurprising there is
little difference there. To get some useful numbers you should use the
pixmap/pixmap values and no window/window or pixmap/window
window/pixmap values (although they might be interesting in an other
context). Actually I'd be very interested to see those values for
otherwise identical systems using the various DX, DX2 processors from
25 to 60MHz.
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From: ratava@maths.tcd.ie (Michael McCarthy)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: Plural of Pentium (was Re: Why not INTEL586?)
Date: 10 Nov 92 11:47:14 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland.

dmccart@gomez.intel.com (D. J. McCarthy) writes:

>>> people will be buying an awful lot of Pentiums.

>> Or is that Pentia?  Pentiae?  Assistance from people who took some Latin
>> would be much appreciated. :-)


>	I just came across this pluralized-Pentium(tm) question earlier
>today.  Basically I think it boils down to this:  Pentium is not a
>Latin word.  If anything, it's an English word.  It should therefore
>follow standard English pluralization rules.

>	One Pentium.  Two Pentiums.

The word may not be Latin, but it's certainly formed in a 'Latin' way.
Just like the church used to invent new Latin words in the middle ages.
(I wonder, does Intel see itself as the mother-church nowadays...)
If you follow the rules for pluralizing Pentium, assuming of course that
the gender is neutral, as is implied by the ending, the plural would be
Pentia. [If you prefer to regard chips as male, it will be Pentii. But
I don't think the ending will allow that.]
  I think that in English you can choose to use either the English
version of the plural, i.e. Pentiums, or the Latin version, i.e. Pentia.
I don't agree that Pentium is an adjective (even though it may be intended
as such.)
a) The ending is all wrong.
b) People will use Pentium as a noun, no matter what is intended.



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Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.benchmarks
From: pfk@rz.uni-jena.de (Frank Klemm)
Subject: Re: ATI Ultra PRO 24-bit?
Reply-To: pfk@rz.uni-jena.de (Frank Klemm)
Organization: Friedrich-Schiller-University Jena, Germany
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1992 16:18:17 GMT


In article <smithbm.721061471@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>, smithbm@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Azrak) writes:
|> pfk@rz.uni-jena.de (Frank Klemm) writes:
|> 
|> >Why do this card not support 1152x900x64k and 960x720x16M ???
|> 
|> I don't actually have the card in front of me (It is at home, 320 miles from
|> me at college), but I would imagine if you were to write some nasty assembly
|> code, you could tweak the card into some "undocumented" resolutions like
|> the two you mentioned above. I think I remember Fractint could switch the
|> old ATI VGAWonder (Which USED to be in the PC at home) into some weird
|> resolutions to gain a few hundred extra pixels for displaying fractals.
|> Maybe the same type of things can be done to the new Graphics Ultra Pro.
|> 
|> For the PC, the two resolutions you mentioned are not standard resolutions.
|> Are they SUN resolutions?
|> 
First is sun resolution (1152x900), second is a nearly 1024x768 mode because 1024x768
is only a little bit too big to fit into 2MB, but it is much larger than 800x600 (x1.44).

Frank
From: scol@scottsdale.az.stratus.com (Scott Colbath)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: 386/486 differences
Date: 5 Nov 92 20:45:23 GMT


Could someone tell me which would provide better performance between the  
following two choices.

1) 486 SX 25MHz

       OR

2) 386 DX 33MHZ

These are the two choices I am considering for my first PC. All other aspects  
of the PC's are tha same on both the machines including price.

All info is greatly appreciated.
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From: krf1061@ultb.isc.rit.edu (K.R. Flanagan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: 8096/80196 systems
Summary: any one have any exsperience with them?
Keywords: NOT the 80x86 family
Date: 10 Nov 92 01:20:21 GMT
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Originator: krf1061@ultb


	Hi I was wondering if anyone in this group had any practicle 
    exspereince with the intel 8096 family on 16 bit micro controllers,
    or if there was a group on this net that dealt with them. Just 
    curious, I've been playing around with some and have been having
    alot of head aches. Oh for those of you unfamilar with 8096 its
    sort of a funky 99 register 8086 without all the crazy offset
    registers and has several PWM (pulse width modulation) lines for
    D/A or ac I/O, also has a built in rom. 
	Actually I do have a question for anyone out there that might
    know, I've been looking over a 80196kb board by vesta the last few 
    days and am very confused how they can get it to support 256k,
    (128 ram, 128 rom). I'm assuming bank switching but have no clue.

			-Kevin Flanagan
			just a student (elect. eng.)
			krf1061@ritvax.isc.rit.edu

***Some where on this campus there is a place with no bricks ***
Newsgroups: comp.sys.intel
Subject: Re: P24T
From: CUNY/Spartacus <I18BC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Friday, 6 Nov 1992 13:44:50 EST
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

>In article <dhess.720862275@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>, dhess@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Drew
>William Hess) says:
>My Gateway 4DX2-66V (Micronics VL-Bus motherboard, I believe) has an
>OverDrive socket, but I'm not sure how many pins it has.  ZEOS (Ken,
>forgive me if this is incorrect) seems to imply in their new ads that
>upgradability to the P24T requires an extra row of pins on the standard
>486 socket.  I don't know what this implies about standard OverDrive
>sockets.
>
>If I had to guess, though, I'd say that Intel is market-savvy enough to
>know that there will be a *large* market for a scaled-down P5 that fits
>into the OverDrive socket that exists on so many currently installed 486-
>based motherboards.  I'm confident that Intel will find some way to
>satisfy this market with a P5-like upgrade.

Isn't replacing the entire motherboard a just as good
alternative than plugging in a new p24t (Pentium SX).  Sure
it might cost a bit more, but a new motherboard wouldn't have
the 32/64bit limitations a 486 motherboard would cause.
Just a thought.
BTW, do PCs with motherboards with the p24t socket cost more
than motherboards without the p24t socket already?
eg:Extra$(MotherBoard w/p24t socket) + p24t  =~(True P5 (Pentium) Motherboard? )
cost wise I mean?
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From: kt@keihh.hanse.de (Kei Thomsen)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Robot-Simulation (X11) needed
Date: 5 Nov 92 23:52:15 GMT


Hi,
I'm looking for a Robot-Simulation programm, to test the movements of
the 6-axis-robot on the Screen. At the moment, I use CATIA to simulate
it, but it can't do all the spectified movement, which I want to have.

If anyone has a programm (only) to display or/and compute that, please 
send me a mail (or the programm).

Kei

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From: pfoss@cmsa.gmr.com (Pete Foss PO/46)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Re: WANTED: Software for creating ANIMATION
Date: 9 Nov 92 12:13:55 GMT
Reply-To: pfoss@cmsa.gmr.com
Organization: .................

Get a copies of DTA and AAWIN from phoenix.oulu.fi.  They work great.

Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: tu@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Shengru Tu)
Subject: a news group on multimedia?
Keywords: multimedia[A?
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 05:06:56 GMT

Hi, there!  Is there a newsgroup on multimediam?  

st
From: sl859@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Needed 3D points for Objects please
Date: 7 Nov 92 22:06:44 GMT
Organization: Utah State University

Hi all,

	I am taking a CS graphics class and so I have another question for 
whomever could be kind enough to know the answer and tell little ol' moi! :)
Does anyone know about some ftp site where I can pick up the 3D vector points
to objects.  Just in ASCII the simple X,Y,Z values of the endpoints of vectors
to make a 3d object for my animation.  I am looking specifically for the cuts
of various gemstones, but knowing of any such objects would helpful.  Thanks.
							wReam...
							sl859@cc.usu.edu

P.S.  Thanks for the replies on the legalities of color scanned issues that I
posted on a while back, it was most helpful! :)
Xref: sparky comp.graphics:11813 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:29674
From: sms@cs.utexas.edu (Stephen Mark Sanderson)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
Subject: Anyone know where to get 15-bit images?  HELP
Date: 12 Nov 1992 14:49:09 -0600
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: levelland.cs.utexas.edu

Is/are there any FTP sites where I an get 15-bit color images of anything,
or utilities/programs to generate some?  I'd like to take advantage of the
32k  color capacity of my video board, but can't find anything to feed it...
If you know any sites, *please* post 'em or mail me....
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From: skr@castle.ed.ac.uk (S Rushton)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: pc graphics info
Keywords: pc, flyback
Date: 11 Nov 92 13:19:08 GMT
Distribution: all
Organization: Edinburgh University

i don't know if this is the most appropriate newsgroup
to post this question to but...

could anyone tell me how to detect vertical retrace ("flyback")
on a pc with either vga or a s3 graphics card?

related to the above can anyone tell me how to set up two
video banks (one to write to, one to display) and control the
switch from my code?

cheers 

simon

simon rushton
'perception and action in vr' project
psychology, edinburgh university.
From: nyet@cco.caltech.edu (n liu)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Re: VIVID raytracer ? Anybody want a teapot?
Date: 6 Nov 1992 12:36:08 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu

Last year I wrote a simple renderer for a class here (CS174 if you're
curious) that does gouraud and phong shading and does bezier patches
and surface of rotation construction... With it I took Jim Blinn's
teapot definition (with a slight tweak to make the top actually fit)
and slammed out a "device driver" (I already had ones for X, PostScript,
djgpp, etc) that just wrote out a ton of patch primitives (with surface
normals!) in Vivid format. I've plopped it on the pool table with some
pretty impressive results... If anybody wants a copy of this data drop
me a line and I'll make it available here by anon ftp. The original def
from blinn is around a hundred lines, while the .vo def is over a meg (!)
uncompressed, depending on how fine a mesh I use. I also have a polygon
database of a VW beetle here, but I haven't written it out to a .vo yet.

Actually, now that I look for my .vo file, it seems to be missing. Give
me a day or so to generate another.

Nye
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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: iain@ee.ryerson.ca (Iain Campbell)
Subject: PBM Formats
Keywords: PBM, file formats
Organization: Ryerson Polytechnical Institute, Toronto
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:10:53 GMT

Whats the difference between a P4 PBM file and a P1 PBM file ???

iain

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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: QPSY14@vm.ucs.UAlberta.CA
Subject: My mind-a Spiral
Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 15:48:16 GMT

Hello there,
  my mind is in spirals, or is it just thinking spirals? Anyways this boy from
the most northernly capital city in Canada would like to know how to draw a
spiral on the computer screen. it would bring warmth to my cold cold Canadian
Canadian grey matter if someone could tell me how a spiral is done.
                        Thank you so much, Edwin
From: rydd@cps.msu.edu (Thor Rydd)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Wanted: 256 to 16 color dithering algorithm.
Date: 9 Nov 92 22:48:11 GMT
Reply-To: kory@lcc.edu
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University
Originator: rydd@cpsin2.cps.msu.edu


	Does anyone have a good dithering algorithm that can
	take 256 colors  to 16 colors?

	Please send replies to: KORY@LCC.EDU

		Thanks.
From: sehst3@cislabs.pitt.edu (Sean Horner)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: WANTED: The Mind's Eye
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:13:08 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


	I'm looking for a graphics video called _The Mind's Eye_.
If anybody knows anything about such a program, please email me for I
am not a regular reader of this newsgroup.
	Any references to others who might know would also be helpful.

Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: jonathan@rahul.net (Jonathan Heiliger)
Subject: Re: HELP! Unwanted dithering in PhotoShop!
Organization: a2i network
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 16:40:16 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.233313.2255@cnsvax.uwec.edu> graemekl@cnsvax.uwec.edu 
writes:


>scanner) and go to either RGB or CMYK it gives me what looks like a dithering
>effect.

   I don't understand what you mean by "raw" mode.  When I scan directly into 
PhotoShop using a Colorgetter/Plus the image comes in as a CMYK.  Technically 
when switching modes to CMYK it will dither the image because you don't have 
a 24+bit display.
 

 
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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: wckoh@iti.gov.sg (Koh Wo Chong)
Subject: Tif Question?
Summary: Does anyone know if there is a commercial software that does multi-
Keywords: Hope this is the right place to ask this. Does anybody know if
Organization: National Computer Board, Singapore
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 05:18:29 GMT

 Does anybody out there knows if there is a commercial software that
 does multi-platform conversion from tif format to bitmap format.If not
 ,is there anyway I can get anything close to that.
 Thanx in heaps and advance


 wckoh@iti.gov.sg
   
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: monty@iesd.auc.dk (Torben Thellefsen Nielsen)
Subject: Re: Graphic File Formats
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University
	<6933@news.duke.edu>
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:23:31

Hello everybody!

Just to let everyone know:

There are 2 ftp-sites which hold specifications on most of the popular
graphics file formats, such as GIF, TIFF, RLE, TARGA, JPEG etc. Please
look there (or in the FAQ) before posting.

zamenhof.cs.rice.edu: /pub/graphics.formats/
ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu: /misc/file.formats/graphics.formats/

Torben,
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Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: wmb@jalama.Idbsu.EDU (William M. Bennecke)
Subject: Wanted: JPG to -> PS converter 
Reply-To: wmb@jalama.idbsu.edu
Organization: Dept. of Geoscienes - BSU
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:38:08 GMT

I am looking for a program to convert file.jpg to file.ps so
I can print out graphics that are in jpg format.

Thanks

 
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Newsgroups: comp.graphics,tx.general,dfw.general,unt.general
From: otto@vaxb.acs.unt.edu (M. Otto, "Virtual Prisoner of the VAX")
Subject: Still Video Image -> .GIF on regular floppy
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 00:36:45 GMT

   I need to recover the images that are stored on a still video disk.  The
images were recorded live from a Panasonic system, on a 2 inch magnetic disk.
I want to transfer the images to .GIF or .HAM format on a normal 3.5 inch floppy
disk. 

   I am willing to pay a modest fee to have the images transferred.   If you
know of anyone who has the equipment to do the transfer, please send email.

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From: ernie@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Ernest Ong)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Graphic Gems I & II
Date: 6 Nov 1992 15:43:06 GMT
Organization: The University of Western Australia
NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5


I just bought Graphic Gems & Graphic Gems II books. It mentions
that most of the code can be found on most sites. So does anybody
know of good site??

Thanks 

Alfred Tascon at ernie@tartarus.uwa.edu.au

Newsgroups: comp.graphics,comp.org.acm
From: chris@stellacom.com (Chris Cressy)
Subject: D.C. SIGGRAPH November Meeting
Organization: StellaCom, Inc., Arlington, VA
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:40:51 GMT

The Washington D.C. Local SIGGRAPH Chapter is having their next meeting
this Thursday, November 12, 7:30 PM  at the George Washington
University Northern Virginia Campus.  The meeting will showcase new
research and technology by the GW Computer Graphics Research Department
headed by Prof. James Hahn.  Members and prespective members welcome.

Research at the Norther Virginia Campus encompasses technologies for
sound rendering, 3D computer animation, photo-realistic image
generation and virtual reality.  Sound rendering was the topic of a
paper at this year's SIGGRAPH'92.  The sound-rendered video "Graphic
Violence" was shown at SIGGRAPH'92 and at our September event
"Electronic Theater ... After Dark on the Mall."  GW Computer Graphics
faculty and students will will present demonstrations of their
research.  An overview of the Computer Graphics curriculum will also be
a part of the evening.

Directions:  The campus is located as 20101 Academic Way, Ashburn,
Virginia.  Take Beltway I-495 to Route 7 west.  Follow Route 7 about 15
miles west.  Continue about one mile past Route 28 (a large cloverleaf
exchange) and turn right at the sign for George Washington University.
The GW building is the large brick building in the middle of a field.
(There is another brick building closer the the road but that is the
E-Systems facility - you don't want that!)  Enter through the main
lobby and there will be a sign to direct you to the appropriate room.
GW phone: 703-729-8250.

For more information on this meeting or for information on the D.C. SIGGRAPH
Chapter, call the DC SIGGRAPH Hotline 703-532-3917.

Hope to see you there,

Chris Cressy
D.C. SIGGRAPH Education Chairperson
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From: bvh@cse.unl.edu (Obi-Wan)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: Re: GIF image manipulation programs for SPARC
Date: 11 Nov 1992 02:19:44 GMT
Organization: MicroImages, Inc.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cse.unl.edu

In article <BxIrL3.IoG@cs.columbia.edu>, ykim@cs.columbia.edu (Yong Su Kim) writes:
> Is there a good GIF image manipulation program for SPARC stations that
> I can get from an ftp site?
> 
> I want to be able to read in GIF images, do mirror effects, rotation,
> center etc. and save the result as a GIF file.  

Xv is an X based program that can do all this (and with several other
formats, as well).  The most recent copy that Archie turned up was in
the /pub directory at ren.css.itd.umich.edu.  There are other versions
out there (I've got a nice, working one here at UNL) if this one doesn't
work.

				-- Obi-Wan

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From: egorr@hebb.uoregon.edu (Eric Gorr)
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
Subject: The DXF format - specification wanted
Followup-To: comp.graphics
Date: 10 Nov 1992 23:15:32 GMT
Organization: University of Oregon Network Services
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: eeg5.uoregon.edu

Does anyone know how or where I can get detailed information on the dxf 
format?  

Bascially what I need to do it convert a RIB file to dxf and as there are
no
(at least I can't find any) programs that currently do this, I was 
planning to write my own.  Yes, I am aware that some misc info that can
be specificed in RIB will be lost when I go to dxf, but that doesn't
matter.

Thanx..
Newsgroups: comp.graphics
From: andy@osea.demon.co.uk (Andrew Haveland-Robinson)