HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: plotkin@cs.stanford.edu (Serge A. Plotkin)
Subject: Re: Q:Mac pd-font.cpt.hqx to Unix anything.bdf.gf
Organization: Stanford, CS Dept.
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:08:55


In reply to the question regarding which files one should  extract 
from "mac-archived" fonts in order to use them with TeX/ghostscript/etc.
You will need: 

1. The .pfb file. Usually it is the one that
has "type LWFN" in the archive.
This file should be converted to pc format by "refont" procedure on pc.
I do not know about any equivalent for Unix. Refont can be grabbed from cica.

2. You will also need the .afm file- this file has all the metric information
(which actually can be obtained from the .pfb file) and, what is more
important, the kerning information, which, as far as I understand,
is not in the .pfb file.
The .afm file has to be converted to .vf and .tfm files for use with TeX.
the conversion process is explained in the documentation for dvips,
which can be found on labrea.stanford.edu.


The above process worked for me, but it is tedious, and sometimes the fonts
and not at all like what one might think is implied by their name.

Goold luck !
From: rlm@mcgort.COM (Robert McMillin)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Unicode and ligatures (was Re: font encoding morass)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 15:59:07 PDT
Organization: PBSR (Private Beta Site Research - Certified NetWare Engineer)

bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn) writes:

> 
> In article <665@manutius.UUCP> nickn@manutius.UUCP (Nick Nussbaum) writes:
> 
> 	....
> 
>    ah.. but the UNICODE revisions will include a large number of arabic
>    ligatures. And upon request of the National body it will include a large 
>    number of Korean Hangul composite characters. In fact, it seems it will 
>    include ligatures from any non-European script. It won't include a large 
>    set of European ligatures though. Just some. 
> 
> Now that is REALLY logical:  ligatures in some languages ARE characters and 
> hence should be in UNICODE, while those in other (fi fl ff ffi ffl) are not.
> Seems to me we need a `National Body' to lobby for us to rectify this mistake

This is something of a basic question, but in Spanish, does anyone know
whether 'll' is done as a ligature or as two letters and hang the results
on alpha sorts?
From: pierre.darmon%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Pierre Darmon) 
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: HP fonts and raster data
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:47:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: pierre.darmon%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Pierre Darmon) 

Newsgroup: comp.fonts
Reply-To: acc1bbs!pierre.darmon@ssr.com

I have a HP font file that contains 1 character, namely a scanned image
of my signature. I was trying to use it as a raster file in order to
include it in TeX using \special.

The file works fine as a font and I can download it to the printer and
use it as a font.

I tried to strip the header of the file and only keep the data part,
assuming it was like raster data. But when I tried to just send that file
to the printer, I got some garbage. Is the font data different from
raster data? Can I achieve what I am after with this font file?

Thanks.

Pierre Darmon
acc1bbs!pierre.darmon@ssr.com
From: boie@prince.DKRZ-Hamburg.DE (Markus Boie)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: motter tektura
Date: 22 Aug 92 14:20:42 GMT
Organization: Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH, Hamburg

Does anyone out there know if the font Motter Tektura is available in any
form anywhere? Preferrably MetaFont but any hint will help.

thanks,

Markus
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: kuchan@rtsg.mot.com (Joseph M. Kuchan)
Subject: WANTED: Rustic font for Windows
Summary: WANTED: Rustic font for Windows
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: global
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:18:37 GMT

I'm looking for a rustic font for use with Windows (either TT or Adobe Type 1).
By rustic, I mean a font with letters formed from twigs, rough-sawn lumber, or
something similarly crude-looking. I've heard that there are fonts like this
on umich, such as "lower east side" and "logger", but these are for the mac,
right? Does anyone know of such fonts for Windows? 

Thanks in advance!


-- 
Joe Kuchan,    Motorola - Wireless Enterprise Systems	*
3205 Wilke Road, Arlington Heights, IL 60004		*
kuchan@whitefish.rtsg.mot.com				*
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From: bkph@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Changing Font Names in Windows
Date: 18 Aug 92 11:12:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
In-reply-to: s0558191@titan.ucc.umass.edu's message of 18 Aug 92 01:15:00 GMT


In article <1992Aug18.011500.25424@nic.umass.edu> s0558191@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Chris Belanger) writes:

   I have recently begun using CorelDraw 3.0 and would like to change
   the odd names it gives to fonts to the more correct names. I tried 
   changing the names in the win.ini file but the changes were only used when 
   I entered the fonts section of the Control Panel. What do I have to do to
   make other programs use the new names. Any help is appreciated. Thanks
   Chris Belanger

The `Windows Face Name' - which is what is shown font menus - is in the PFM
(Printer Font Metric) file. You can't change it without creating a new PFM.


Berthold K.P. Horn
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.lang.postscript
From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Small problem with "public" Crillee PS font
Organization: Somewhere just far enough out of Toronto
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:39:56 GMT

I've been successfully using the publicly available "crillee" font (ftp'd
off cica) with the 'dvips' TeX driver under UNIX for a while. It works
fine except that its capital letter "Q" appears to be filled in!

Is anyone else seeing this problem, and espcially if you have a fix,
please let me know. The author, whose name is listed in the "readme"
file as Gene Cowan of Arlington, Virginia, is unreachable (he left no
e-mail address, and the local phone company doesn't know about him).

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

-- 
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
         evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
    Was "Trouble" (from the Broadway Show, Music Man) the first rap song?
From: churchh@ut-emx.uucp (Henry Churchyard)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: SWFTE Typecase
Summary: 13pts!
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:55:26 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas

In article <1992Aug17.215501.7172@uwm.edu>, hardiman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul V Hardiman) writes:
> >>, 12 pt is
> >>distinctly too large for most text applications.
> 
> Why is this discussion limited to even point sizes?  I once read an
> article in one of the desktop publishing magazines that pointed out
> that much printed material is done in 11 point, which some studies
> revealed is appropriate for most people.  Since then I've done almost
> all my printed material in 11 point, and have found it comfortable.
> 

   Actually, 12pt Times Roman just seems a little too cramped to me.
For all my class papers and such, I swear by 13 pt. Times Roman set at
5 lines per inch.  (One important consideration is that this can bear
reduction, so that it's still legible if I want to fit two pages on
one sheet.)
--
         --Henry Churchyard     churchh@emx.cc.utexas.edu
From: v065hjku@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Jason Osborne)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: wanted space 1999/futuristic fonts for mac, type1 or tt
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:40:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

>needed: any fonts at all that resemble anything close to the space 199, 
>battlestar galactica, starlog, etc/ or the art of noise FON remix album cover 
>style fonts for the mac. if they already exist, what are their names? i heard 
>that the art of noise cover font that i am looking for is called "future" but i
>am not sure. please help!

If you are running on a mac, download font-preview from sumex-aim in the
/font directory, and you can see for yourself.  The preview contains 3
PICTS which show what all available (over 170) truetype fonts look like.
There are a lot of futureistic fonts shown.
______________________________________________________________________________
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______________________________________________________________________________
For information on the Underground Phont Archive, drop me a note via email
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From: dick.zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dick Zeitlin) 
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: FOnts
Date: 21 Aug 92 10:41:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Advanced Computer Concepts BBS, New Rochelle, NY 914-654-1981
Reply-To: dick.zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com (Dick Zeitlin) 

*N*> .I have both Fontmonger 1.0 and Fontographer 3.1 on the Mac.
   > .Problem is I want to edit Truetype fonts for the PC :-))
   > .Is it possible? Any conversion needed? :_)

And therein lies some confusion.  Fontmonger 1.0 for Windows DOES allow
editing of TT fonts, and conversion back and forth between Mac and PC.
It comes with a translator for Apple File Exchange, so if you've got a
machine with a SuperDrive, moving fonts between machines is a
no-brainer.  I just converted some of my Mac ATM fonts to Mac TT fonts,
in an effort to eliminate ATM from my system.  Easy.

        D/

 * OLX 2.2 * Dick.Zeitlin%acc1bbs@ssr.com
     
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: georg@dkfz-heidelberg.de (Georg Mahnke)
Subject: Re: Converting Mac TrueType to Windows
Organization: DKFZ
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 06:56:11 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.130542.15667@newstand.syr.edu> mwhanley@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Hanley) writes:

>       Can someone please give me instructions on how to take a Mac
>TrueType font and convert it to Windows.  When you get the Mac
>TT font it is pure resource fork and no data fork, which means
>the IBM sees a 0k file.  Thanks in advance.

>-matt


Matt,

   Try tt-converter, available via ftp at sumex etc. It works 
   properly most of the times and it is shareware, about 10 dollars.

regards

georg mahnke                      zdv650@xaver.dkfz.heidelberg.de
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: csieng@wimsey.bc.ca (Symbolic Sciences Engineering)
Subject: Need inexpensive source of typefaces
Organization: Wimsey 
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 01:10:30 GMT

Hi

I am doing a small newsletter in Word Perfect on a PC.  This newsletter was
done previously using a typewriter and Letraset.  We used two different
typefaces for our organization name.  These were

Serif Gothic Outline
Cable (or Kabel) medium

I am trying to find inexpensive typefaces (preferably outline fonts) that
can be used in Word Perfect.  I found a local place which sells Adobe Type 1
fonts but they quoted me $470 for the 2 typefaces in printer and screen 
versions.  This is WAY out of my price window.

Does anyone know where I might find these typefaces for a modest price?
It does not matter if the source is freeware, shareware, or commercial.
Thanks for any help you can give me.

Richard M.
From: vpomey@frmug.fr.mugnet.org (Vincent Pomey)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: converting .f3b to .pfb
Date: 17 Aug 92 12:05:09 GMT
Organization: Minix User Group France

Is there a way (a program) to convert .f3b fonts (I suppose it's Sun
outline fonts) to .pfb (or .pfa or .gsf or anything that I could use with
GhostScript ?)
 
Please reply by email (cannot read this newsgroup).
Thanks !
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: dhosek@hmcvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Re: SWFTE Typecase
Organization: Harvey Mudd College
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:11:02 PDT

In article <4811@dove.nist.gov>, gilligan@bldrdoc.gov (Jonathan Gilligan 303-497-3861) writes:
> In article <oneil.713599413@cwis> oneil@cwis.unomaha.edu (Sharon O'Neil) writes:
>>For most purposes, one would want to use a 12 point type anyway.  In my
>>opinion, even 10 is a bit small for most purposes because it is somewhat
>>difficult to read.
 
> But if your principle text is set in 12 point, then super and
> subscripts will be set at a smaller size (typically 9 pt or so), as
> will footnotes. Super and subscripts in footnotes will be set at a
> smaller size (about 6 pt). Since I do a lot of technical typesetting
> (lots of equations), a document set with 12 pt type for the principal
> face will contain lots of 9 pt and 6 pt type, so it's necessary to
> have good-looking type at far smaller sizes than I use for the main
> text.

To further muddy the waters, I would claim that other than
single-column printing on US Letter paper or A4, 12 pt is
distinctly too large for most text applications. On the other
hand, with most of the piece-of-crud editing facilities provided
by WYSIWYG systems, anything smaller than 12pt is distinctly
illegible on-screen (gosh, what a surprise, the typography for
on-screen viewing at 70-100dpi is different than that for
printing at 300+dpi!) so perhaps that's the driving force. Sigh.
Anyway, you'll be hard pressed to find many books aimed at adult
readers typeset entirely in 12pt and larger.

-dh

Don Hosek                  
dhosek@ymir.claremont.edu  
Quixote Digital Typography 
714-621-1291
From: johnsone@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Erik A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Can I use .AFM files with ATM on Mac?
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:26:25 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

Hi!  I have a number of .AFM font files (Adobe Font Metrics?  Is that what
AFM stands for) that I got from a friend of mine ... can I use these with
ATM?  I've got ATM and am using several ATM font outlines (File type 'LWFN',
File creator 'ASPF').  Can the AFM files be used directly?  Do I need to
convert them?  Help!

Oh, if there is a FAQ on this, can you point me to that? Ootherwise, e-mail
is best (and if there is interest, I'll summarize back).  Thanks much!


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Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: vamatya@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Devnagari/ sanskrit/ hindi/ nepali font
Keywords: tt, adobe type 1
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:20:31 GMT





Has anybody been working on a devnagari font (also may be called
Sanskrit, Hindi, Nepali) for windows3.1, (Truetype or ATM).
Preferably, shareware or freeware. Also information on commercial
software in this regard will be highly appreciated.

Thanks

Vishwa
From: bwc@waikato.ac.nz (Ug!)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Design advice: Optima & Bookman?
Date: 21 Aug 92 09:45:28 +1200
Organization: Vooniersity fo Kaiwato

Jacob Galley asks:
> If anyone has any experience matching a serif font to Optima, I'd like
> to hear from you.

I'm not a professional in this area, but I've done a wee bit of typesetting
for myself.  One of the better combinations I came up with was Optima with
Garamond.  (In all honesty, it's still my favourite combination.)

Bruce Cassidy
University of Waikato
Hamilton, New Zealand
From: bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Unicode and ligatures (was Re: font encoding morass)
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:53:42 GMT
In-reply-to: koontz@cam.nist.gov's message of 21 Aug 92 15:53:36 GMT


In article <9819@fs3.cam.nist.gov> koontz@cam.nist.gov (John E. Koontz X5180) writes:

   It would be nice to see a discussion of how existing applications of
   various sorts and existing fonts (including fonts with the Dingbat
   symbol set, as Howell has suggested) might be adapted to work with
   UNICODE.

UNICODE contains all of the Zapf Dingbats (as well as countless other random
symbols, operators, relations, delimiters, roadkills, what have you)

Berthold K.P. Horn
Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA
From: jp07@gte.com (James Paschetto)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Graphics Fonts for MS-C? (3rd party or ftp)
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:37:04 GMT
Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated, Waltham MA

Anyone out there know any good vendors of graphics fonts for Microsoft C
programs?  Or any .FON files available on ftp sites anywhere?

Thanks for any help.
Jim
jp07@gte.com
From: koontz@cam.nist.gov (John E. Koontz X5180)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Font size choices (was Re: SWFTE Typecase)
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:45:20 GMT
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology, Gaithersburg, MD

In article <1992Aug17.172012.1@linus.claremont.edu>, dhosek@linus.claremont.edu writes:
|> >>A book is /not/ the same as a word-processed or desktop-published
|> >>document.  
|> 
|> Really? Where do books come from? Storks?
-- 

To clarify, a book must be produced on a manual press with the assistance
of an ordained typographer, which is to say, it must meet certain rigorous
standards of purity of process.

This notwithstanding, I once encountered a very book-like object which had
an error in the righthand headers that looked embarassingly like a word-
processor-based editing error.

----
John E. Koontz (koontz@bldr.nist.gov)

Disclaimer:  Views and recommendations, express or implied, are my own, and
do not reflect the opinion or policy of my employers.
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
From: dmandl@kabbalah.shearson.com (David Mandl)
Subject: Re: Type manipulation software.
Organization: Lehman Brothers
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 15:12:47 GMT

In article <6497@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> duanem@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Duane W Moore) writes:

   In article <1992Aug10.112407.9967@waikato.ac.nz> bwc@waikato.ac.nz (Ug!) writes:

   >Quick question:  I'm after a program which will run under Windows 3.1 with
   >ATM, and which will produce type distortions (such as rendering in per-
   >spective).  The resulting image should be exportable to Aldus Freehand.
   >Does anyone know of any possibilities?  Freeware/Shareware/Commercial will
   >all be considered.

   Corel Draw or Adobe Type Align will do this.  

My $.02: Even though Adobe Type Align is very inexpensive, I found it
COMPLETELY unusable.  It's one of the slowest pieces of software I've
seen, and I'm using a reasonably fast machine (Zeos 386/20).  You'll
get frustrated really quickly if you use it.  Corel Draw is great, but
a lot more expensive.

   --Dave.

--
---------------------------------------------------------------
         Dave Mandl            |    Opinions expressed here
       New York City           | are not those of my employer,
(dmandl@kabbalah.shearson.com) |          believe me.
---------------------------------------------------------------
From: ath@linkoping.trab.se (Anders Thulin)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: font encoding morass
Date: 20 Aug 92 07:15:28 GMT
Organization: Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden

In article <26760@life.ai.mit.edu> bkph@wheat-chex.ai.mit.edu (Berthold K.P. Horn) writes:
>
>THE FONT ENCODING MESS:
>=======================

Agree with most of the things said, but ...

>Finally:  Let's hope that UNICODE with its 16-bit characters will help
>resolve some of these problems.  Although, UNICODE is dead in the
>water if it does not provide access to ligatures.  For there can be
>no fine typesetting without ligatures.
>
>FLAME OFF

... I don't know about this. It seems ironical, but perhaps not.
Should there be a :-) attached? or is it just rabid flaming?

As far as I understand, Unicode and other character codes are intended
for information interchange, not for driving typesetting equipment.

Any typographical adjustments necessary for 'fine typesetting' must
surely be done on a different level than Unicode is intended for.
Ligatures are, I think, closer to typefaces, and only rarely carrying
vital information. Those ligatures that *are* indispensable are in
Unicode as far as I can see.

Fine typesetting requires very good control of spacing - particularly
spacing of capitals. Unicode doesn't provide that either.  Should it?
I doubt it.

Very fine Arabic typesetting has its own set of problems, none of
which is addressed by Unicode. If we want to provide fine typesetting
in Unicode, we must do it for all languages supported, mustn't we?

It seems its just the font encoding problem over again, but on a
different level.  So perhaps it was irony after all.

-- 
Anders Thulin       ath@linkoping.trab.se 
Telia Research AB, Teknikringen 2B, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden
Newsgroups: comp.fonts,comp.lang.postscript
From: henry@trilithon.mpk.ca.us (Henry McGilton)
Subject: Weird FontBBox in Fontex Fonts
Keywords: FontBBox
Organization: Trilithon Software
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 05:28:34 GMT



I have a couple of fonts from the Fontek collection published by
Esselte-Letraset.  The fonts in question are KanbanPlain and
OneStrokeScriptPlain.  These fonts were both generated by FontStudio
(one expects that from Letraset fonts).  I have been playing around
with generating AFM files directly from the fonts.  What's interesting
is that the FontBBox entry in both of these fonts is completely
bogus, although the FontBBox in their supplied AFM files appears
to be correct.  Does anybody have any ideas why the font dictionary
notion of FontBBox is whacko and the AFM file version is OK?.

    Thanks,
        ........  Henry
From: nickn@manutius.UUCP (Nick Nussbaum)
Newsgroups: comp.fonts
Subject: Re: Unicode and ligatures (was Re: font encoding morass)
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:16:41 GMT
Reply-To: nickn@manutius (Nick Nussbaum)
Organization: Aldus Corporation, Seattle WA


Dov Grovgeld writes about Unicode:

Of course it doesn't solve typographical problems of all languages
of the world, and that was never its intended purpose. Does it e.g.
include the ligatures of Arabic? Each character in arabic can appear
in four different forms. It certainly doesn't solve the problems of
attaching vowels to Hebrew, which appear as dots above and below the
characters. It certainly doesn't solve the problems of mathematical
typesetting layout.

ah.. but the Unicode revisions will include a large number of arabic
ligatures. And upon request of the National body it will include a large number
of Korean Hangul composite characters. In fact, it seems it will include
ligatures from any non-european script. It won't include a large set of
european ligatures though. Just some. 

The standard is a political compromise between the minimal encoding for
linguistic purposes and the practical desire to subsume most computer
character sets. Note that the unicode spec already includes zapf dingbats,
p.c vector characters and 2 dot leaders. Unfortunately it doesn't include
the rest of the common ligatures such as those in the Adobe Expert Set.
Those will undoubtably be added by typographic vendors as private extensions.
What's sadder is that old style ( ranging) figures aren't distinguished from lining figures that are the standard ascii fare. That means that when those are added into the private repetoire they'll miss being recognized by various functions that are numerically sensitive. Of course, they've always been wedged into
font mapping for 8 bit codes, but this an old attempt to live with
 the limits of 8 bit encoding.

Nick Nussbaum

 
Newsgroups: comp.security.misc