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From: "Seeya, And I Wouldn't Wanna Be Ya" <MRJAIN@ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: For Sale: Viper 600
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:32:24 GMT

Hello,

    I bought a Viper 600 a couple of weeks ago and was going to install it
in my car. But after looking over the instructions I realized I would not
be able to do it so I'm selling it. This has everything and nothing is 
missing and if you buy it I will tell you which wires to cut and the color
for your car since I was given all these charts for different cars.
 
The Price is $200.00 but believe me I am willing to bargain big TIME.
 
Manish R. Jain
(812)330-7911
               MRJAIN@UCS.INDIANA.EDU
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: tumbush@tigris.eng.ohio-state.edu (Gregory J. Tumbush)
Subject: CD changer opions
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 12:53:16 GMT

Hello all,
  I'm requesting peoples opions/experiences on the following brands of
CD changers.  As it stands I will probably go with the Denon setup.

1) Sony - Unilink setup is a must because all Sony's will be in this 
   configuration in a year.  Various reports of skipping on rec.audio.car.

2) Blaupunkt - Not much info on this brand.  Found that their earlier
   changers were made by JVC.  Now they are made by Sony.

3) Denon - No negative publicity yet.  Excellent reputation for home
   CD players.


All of these brands have a head-unit with tape and CD changer controls for
around $325 and a ten disk changer for around $425. 

Thanks in advance,
Greg
From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: RE: CENTER CHANNELS
Date: 1 Sep 92 16:30:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 

-> |> Just sum the L and R channels to get the center channel (I
-> |> think?).  Or you can get one of those Center channel units that
-> does |> everything for you.
->
-> I thought you would only want the center channel to produce material
-> that is IN BOTH LEFT AND RIGHT CHANNELS. Is this not so? It seems
-> that this would put out from the center the stuff that is in the
-> center of the stereo image of the recording. If you put out a mono
-> "sum" of the left and right, what does that do to the stereo imaging?
-> Seems like it would get narrower!
-> What units are available for center channel processing? Not head
-> units since I already have one - I was thinking about a processor
-> that could be fed by my elec. Xover and then fed to an amp to drive
-> the center channel.... anything out there?

  I don't know, I admit, I'm no rocket scientist.  I was just saying
some "stuff"   I can't remember who makes that Center Channel processing
Unit, maybe it's Audio Control or PPI, or one of those companies like
that.  It isn't made by any of those "cheap" brands.

                                  Erich Lim
From: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: INTEGRA INSTALLS: HOW ABO
Date: 2 Sep 92 00:34:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: The Cutting Edge - Houston, TX - 713-466-1525
Reply-To: erich.lim@cutting.hou.tx.us (Erich Lim) 


  For the new Integras,  nothing should be a problem.  The Boston 757's
(5.25) or 767's (6.5) should just drop right in without any
modifications.   Also, the trunks (or hatchbacks) are big and you can do
awesome things with subs.  Since it's a hatchback, you automatically get
a 3db boost in SPL because of the "horn shape" and the waves bounce of
the back wall and towards the front.   The tweet's can be mounted on the
inside of where the side view mirror is, but that may or may not be the
best place to put it because the panel is angled down, so you would have
to angle the tweeter up for compensation.  The best place I think to put
the tweeter is on the door panel.  Above the power windows switch and
slightly to the left.  It's best if it's mounted flush, but if you don't
want to drill a hole to mount it, I guess it wouldn't be that bad.


                       Erich Lim
          
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: curtiss@burn.colorado.edu (Brian Curtiss)
Subject: Re: Big tubes
Organization: Center for Study of Earth from Space, U of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 15:33:05 GMT

In article <collin.714964950@angelo> 
collin@angelo.amd.com (Collin K. Ong) writes:

>Anyone have any ideas as to where I could get large (15") diameter tubes with
>thick walls that are made out of cardboard or wood, etc?  I want to use it
>to make a sub with 10" driver and port on the same end surface.
>
>Thanks.
>collin@brahms.amd.com

The tubes used for concrete forms come in a wide range of diameters
and can be cut to any length you want.  You can probably find them
at a lumberyard or by calling a local concrete contractor.  Use
particle board (not plywood) for end caps and glue them in with
Elmers wood glue.         

=========================
Brian Curtiss
curtiss@cses.colorado.edu
From: dlou@ECE.UCSD.EDU (Dennis Lou)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Sony CD Changers and skipping
Date: 27 Aug 92 07:35:08 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <1992Aug26.211528.26285@lsil.com> mitch@lsil.com writes:
>I bought mine mailorder from JR Music World.

JR Music World?  Gack!

I've seen large, high brow local dealers sell a lot of stuff cheaper
than them!  (Fry's Electronics for you left coast people)
--
Dennis Lou             || "But Yossarian, what if everyone thought that way?"
dlou@ucsd.edu          || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!"
[backbone]!ucsd!dlou   |+====================================================
dlou@ucsd.BITNET       |Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak went to my high school.
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: chiu@gpb-mac. (Norman Chiu)
Subject: Re: Anyone done an RX7 (87) sub install?
Originator: root@mogate.sps.mot.com
Organization: SPS
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 16:20:50 GMT

tcuhl@crchh483.BNR.CA (Thomas Uhl) writes:
: I'd like to get some more bass in my 87 rx7 and am wondering
: what people have done. I don't want a box in the back, I want to hide
: everything. Has anyone had any success putting an enclosure in
: one of the luggage compartments behind the seat? I'd like to just
: use one of the compartments for a sub and leave the other one to
: put CDs in. How about the spare tire well? Those are the only two
: places I can see where there is room to hide an enclosure.
: 
: ====================================
: Tom Uhl @ Bell Northern Research
: Dallas TX
: ====================================

Hi Tom:
    Try the Polk Audio C4 subwoofer box, which is a tube subwoofer with 4
6x9 woofers built in.  Its shape is a long cylinder box that
fits nicely in the hatch area of your RX7, so it doesn't take up much room.
It received a very favorable review from Car Stereo Review magazine about one
year ago.  And it costs about $365.

P.S.  I tried email to you but it bounced.  How come "tcuhl@crchh483.BNR.CA"
      be in Dallas Texas?  Shouldn't .CA be in Canada?  :-)

   /|   /  chiu@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com   | Norman Chiu - Motorola Inc. Austin, TX
  / |  / ___________________________  | "...We never gonna survive unless
 /  | / /  / /__/  /\/\   /_\   /| /  |     we get a little crazy..."
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Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: jch@sumac27.cray.com (J.C. Hamlin)
Subject: Re: Door Mounting -> Enclosure?
Originator: jch@sumac27
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 27 Aug 92 14:37:37 CDT


In article <1992Aug26.222111.380@leland.Stanford.EDU>, doughnut@leland.Stanford.EDU (andrew tao) writes:
> I just started reading this newsgroup a little while ago so sorry if this 
> is a FAQ, but here goes.  What type of enclosure does the typical car door 
> frame provide?  

It is a FAQ, well close to one.

Subwoofers & Enclosures:

Q: What is there to know about woofers in front (like doors)?
A: Well, first this type of enclosure is often close to an infinite baffle 
   installation (see FAQ about this) since there really is no enclosure -- 
   not many car doors are sealed.  However, this really isn't the case 
   either since there are many air leaks between the interior of the door 
   and the interior of the car.  You might think this is a problem, but really 
   it isn't.  Some people with money (and room) have sealed enclosures built 
   in their doors using things like fiberglass but this really isn't necessary 
   in most cases.  It doesn't pose a problem because of the frequencies being 
   produced.  Just sealing the woofer in the door near the woofer itself is 
   good enough for accurate midbass production.  Air leaks have more effect 
   at lower frequencies almost cancelling the lowest.  However, with a fairly 
   good attempt at sealing the speaker in the door, the midbass region will 
   not be effected.  Remember, these drivers are being used as woofers 
   (possibly mid/woofers), not subwoofers.

J.C. Hamlin
Automotive Sound & Security by Hamlin
jch@Cray.COM
From: trw@spl1.spl.loral.com (Tim R Witort)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Enclosure volume?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:55:47 GMT
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory

In article <dlambert.920825150428@synthesis.che.eng.auburn.edu>, dlambert@eng.auburn.edu (Dave Lambert) writes:
|> Well, when I built my sealed box with 2 Rockford Fosgate Punch 10's, I
|> was informed by an installer at a local (reputable) dealer to build
|> the box with 1.5 ft^3 per sub.  Well, I built the thing with 3/4"
|> plywood and a good bit of liquid nail to seal it and it sounds pretty
|> good.  It does has a tendancy to be a bit "boomy", but then I like it
|> that way.

   Avoid making enclosures out of plywood if at all possible. It is
extreemly resonant and can color the sound quite a bit. Good quality
3/4" or 1" particle board will yield better results.

|> Dave

-- Tim
Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 20:02:33 -0400 
From: Amit Likhyani <al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: CD head unit + Changer control

My Sony CDX-R77 has seen its day.  I want to upgrade my head
unit.  I want another in dash CD player, but I want the option to later
control a changer:  

The units I have been considering:

Nak CD tuner 1
Eclipse(the one with DSP)
Sony U-1000
Pioneer 980

Any comments or opinions on any of these or other units are welcome.
I want some kind of detachable deal either pullout or removeable
face.  I like the idea of a remote, but I guess it is not that big a
deal more of
a tie breaking item.  The Sony is the only one with diversity tuning which
is really cool.  I have never been a big Pioneer fan(I think the 980 is ugly to
boot), but some people have said good things about it.  The Alpine 7909
is out of my price range and I hate the 6 green preset buttons on Alpine
head units.
From: gt0851b@prism.gatech.EDU (David Hoff)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Connections: Head Units -> Amps ?
Date: 30 Aug 92 15:52:26 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institue of Technology

In article <5216@dove.nist.gov> keys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov (Larry Keys) writes:
>Is there any audible difference between the high priced shielded cable 
>and a Radio Shack or some other inexpensive brand?
>
>I am running out of money fast.
Aren't we all...
>
>                            lb.'n till it Hz
>                        

There isn't much difference between the SHEILDED Radio Shack cables and the 
fancy ones, just make sure that you get the ^^^^ one's.  IMHO: Unless you are
building a system for show (money is no object) you won't hear any difference
between the ~$2.00 per foot Street Wires/Monster Cable Power wires ~$80 RCA
cables.
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From: stormoen@plains.NoDak.edu (Michael D. Stormoen)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Particle Board and Plywood
Date: 30 Aug 92 18:08:20 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Aug30.152521.19416@njitgw.njit.edu> cjm9321@hertz.njit.edu (The InfoMan) writes:
>
>	I know to use Particle board (Thanks net). I went to a hardware
>store the other day and they only carry 5/8" and 3/4". That's a little
>to thick for me. Does it come any smaller like 3/8"? I will look again
>Monday.

You can get it smaller than 3/8 (called masonite) but you DO NOT want
to use particle board smaller than 3/4 for a GOOD sub box.

>	When I put the speakers (12") in the particle board should I put
>a sealent around it? What kind? Or would the screws be alright?

You should use a sealant AND screws.  I use a hot glue gun and it works
great.  You can also use wood glue or a tube of any sealant rated for
wood bonding.  Ask your hardware store about this.

>
>	One more question....
>
>	If I was to build a box, would it be alright to have the woofer
>side particle board and the other sides Plywood?
>

Again, DO NOT use plywood, just pay a bit more for MDF 3/4, and you will
be MUCH happier in the end.


>					Thanks for all your help,
>

You're welcome, Michael Stormoen

>-- 
>       		          ___     _      Buy USA products, It's YOUR job.
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Your job is to buy 3/4 particle board for sub boxes.
From: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Stereo Installation-'92 Plymouth Sundance
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:04:37 GMT
Reply-To: tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias)
Distribution: na
Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD


    I just bought a new Plymouth Sundance to serve as a beater and thus
save wear and tear on my "baby" ('92 Mustang GT). It has no radio and
I plan on installing an AM-FM cassette, speakers and antenna, either
myself or have it done professionally, depending on how difficult it
is. I'd appreciate any advice from anyone who has installed a system
in any of the Chrysler K-cars/K-car derivatives. Specific questions
include:
	 1) Does antenna installation require removing the wheel well,
entire fender or neither? (fender has hole and cap which makes it look
like there is some kind of power antenna installed) (I wish! :-)  )
	 2) Is Crutchfield a good place to buy from (even have them
do installation at their store)? Do they provide specific do-it-yourself
instructions if you order by mail?
	 3) Is it necessary to remove dashboard to install stereo?
	 4) How are interior door handles removed so speakers can be
installed (I don't see any screws)?
	 5) How does antenna lead enter car interior? Through pre-existing
holes in firewall or what?

    If I sound ignorant on the subject of stereo installation, it's
because I am! Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide (including
advice that I shouldn't attempt the installation myself).

						    Steve
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: mvincow@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Michelle Vincow)
Subject: WANTED: Advice on sound system for Saturn
Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 21:04:08 GMT

I am buying a new Saturn and trying to figure out whether
to purchase the (Delco) AM/FM with cassette, or the 
(supposedly Alpine) AM/FM with CD player.  The CD player
comes with a speaker upgrade.  

Has anyone heard these systems?  The CD player is $555 and
the cassette is $180.  I am trying to figure out whether I
should go with their system or get something installed
afterwards.  They do not have a CD player at the Saturn
dealership that I can listen to.

Please send email if you have any opinion or information
that might help me decide! (Please!)

Michelle
mvincow@s.psych.uiuc.edu
From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Rear speakers for GSX?
Date: 4 Sep 92 13:54:41 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB

wwein@scott.skidmore.edu (warren wein) writes:
- 
- 	Some of you may remember that last spring I asked for advice on
- cd changers to mount in my Eclipse GSX.  I finally bought the Sony CDX
- u300RF (I paid $345, but that's another story) and I also replaced my
- front speakers with Pioneer TSA 1090s.  The next thing I would like to
- do is replace the rear speakers.  I have room for 6x9s. I listened to
- the Pioneer 6908s and they sounded really good. Does anyone have
- experience with other speakers that I should consider.  
- 	Thanks in advance!
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Warren Wein

My car stereo system is all Pioneer - except for the speakers. I hate
the sound of Pioneer speakers. I'm not sure about 6x9's, but for a
reasonable price I like Phase Linear and Blaupunkt best.

-- 
=============================================================================
 Tommy Petersson              tope@enea.se              Enea Data AB, Sweden
=============================================================================
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: mf@dancer.uucp (24241-fusco)
Subject: Hey Evan! Re: Mustang speakers...
Organization: On the Road
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 21:32:48 GMT

Evan,

Sorry for the post here but the mail keeps bouncing from your site at BNR!

>>Thanks alot or the input.
>>(and forgive my ignorance)
>>
>>  I have the hatch and haven't looked to see what the sizes are yet.
>>I also seem to have the standard cassette/radio deck (no EQ) and I 
>>didn't notice an amp under the passenger seat, but I'll check.
>>  I also have power windows so I guess the T-51's won't work to well in 
>>the doors.  I have always liked the JBLs.
>>  Do you have them hooked to the stock deck unit thru a new amp?
>>  Do the 5x7 or 4x6 fit ok in the rear (seem to be on the rear strut assembly)
>>and I guess you have to use the supplied grills (but can they be mounted 
>>securely to the body)?
>>  I wonder if mine is an integrated unit and, if not, how
>>well does the stock deck interface with an aftermarket amp?
>>  Finally, I thought that by using cross-overs you supply separate power 
>>to each set of speakers (or each in a set).  Why do you have 2 amps and a 
>>3-way xover and what does this buy you over one decent amp?
>>
>>Thanks for all the help!
>>
>>Marc
>>...................................................................
>>Marc Fusco				mf@dancer.cc.bellcore.com
>>Bellcore
>>PYA 2J-323				(908) 699-4924
>>3 Corporate Place
>>Piscataway, NJ 08854			(908) 336-2275 FAX
>>...................................................................
From: baylor@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Baylor)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Re: Sony CD Changers and skipping
Date: 1 Sep 92 00:07:42 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

>Well, actually, mounting midway between the wheels dies make a pretty
>big difference from mounting in the trunk.  Midways between the axles
>has the result that the vertical movement of the CD changer is the
>_average_ of the vertical movement of the axles, while in the trunk
>the movement is more like the average of 1.5*rear axle and -2.5 front
>axle due to the "lever" effect of the trunk overhang.  The

	Mine's in the very back of mine and it still never skips,
overly-tight rugged shocks and all. (Funny that the changer can't
fell all those bumps - i sure can).
From: holowczk@rwja.umdnj.edu (Richard Holowczak)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Car Alarms: Help needed!
Summary: Car Alarms: Help Needed!
Keywords: Car alarm alarms
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:58:51 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, Piscataway NJ

Hello out there! Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this question
but I could not find (or do not get) a news group on car alarms.

I'm looking to get an alarm for my Acura Legend. I have talked to 4 or 5
different places that install alarms.  They all tell me that they sell one
brand of alarm because they have have trouble with all others. The problem
is, every place has its own favorite brand. Here's a summary:

Place 1:	"The Ungo Box Alarm is the best on the market. I don't
                 sell any others because I have had nothing but problems
                 with all other brands."

Place 2:	"The Ungo Box is terrible. We used to sell them but we had
                 so many problems with them we stopped. The VSE Derringer/2
                 is the model you want. We also sell the Viper but it is
                 not as good as the VSE."

Place 3:	"Given a choice between Ungo Box and VSE I would choose
                 Clifford Intelligaurd 200. It is the best on the market.
                 Ask anyone."

Place 4:	"The Clifford alarm used to be the best but now they have
                 dropped down in quality. The Viper alarm is the one you want.
                 It does the job and we have had no problems with them at all."

Place 5:	Actually a magazine article about 1 year old says: "The
                VSE is our choise . . . "

I am looking for something with door and trunk switches, starter kill,
shock sensor (reliable) for broken glass and possibly motion sensor if
the shock sensor is not tripped by jacking up the car. I would also like
to have an intelligent alarm reset and the ability to lock out a sensor
if it is being continually tripped.  Zones I think they're called.  
If I have any pennies
left over, I'd also like to have auto door locking as well. I don't have
the moey to spend on a top-of-the line Alpine.  I'd like to spend less than
$450 installed.  Any suggestions would be most helpful.

Many Thanks,

Rich Holowczak
holowczk@rwja.umdnj.edu
From: DMW122@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
Subject: Need Help With Beretta Acousticss
Date: 26 Aug 92 01:16:22 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

I'm wondering if anyone out there owns a Beretta and has installed their own
system.  This is what I have done so far.  I replaced the rear speakers with
Pioneer 6x9 3 ways and I put Pioneer 6 1/2" into the front doors.  There are
no speakers in the dash.  I replaced the Delco system with a Sharp system 25
watts x 4 channels.  Now my complaint isn't that it isn't loud enough for
me...  It just doesn't sound clear...  I'm wondering if replacing the Sharp
system with a high power Pioneer system will make that much of a difference.
And are Berettas shaped in such a way that putting speakers in the front
doors do not help much?  My girlfriend owns a Tempo ('90) and while my
system has more punch, hers sounds better!  Any help or advice at all from
Beretta owners out there would be greatly appreciated...

My address is DMW122 @ Psuvm.edu in case someone does want to help.
Thanks:)
Newsgroups: rec.audio.car
From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber)
Subject: Re: ++1-800-SHERWOOD number out there???++
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:18:42 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.181843.17971@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mgarber@magnus.ac
s.ohio-state.edu (Max D Garber) writes:
>
>
>The place where I bought my Sherwood amps does not sell them anymore-is there
a
>1-800 number that I can call to find a local dealer???
>
>
>Thanks alot!
>
>THE HYPEMAN

I GOT THE NUMBER, THANKS!!!

THE HYPEMAN