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From: amuser@lillee.cs.curtin.edu.au (Bill Sharp-Smith AUG)
Subject: Recommendations for a hand scanner ?
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 07:24:02 GMT

Our club is considering buying a hand scanner for member's use, and we
would like some recommendations (or warnings) of the various brands. We
know of at least the Golden Image and Migraph ones.

1) What is your experience with hand scanners ?

2) Which hardware unit do you like most ?

3) What is its bundled software like ?

4) Are there any other programs worth having for it ?

5) Any other comments ?


I will summarise the replies I get.

Regards,

Gary McGhee
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
From: wild@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Markus Wild)
Subject: Re: Which Monitor?
Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:48:25 GMT

In article <33387@cbmvax.commodore.com> spence@cbmvax.commodore.com (Spencer Shanson) writes:
>Nice try Marc. FYI, the circuitry that is inside the A2024 was developed as a
>separate card first. The A2024 was then built around that card.
>
>This card plugs into the Video slot of an A2000 or A3000. You can then plug a
>Moniterm monitor into that card.

Well.. it probably *was* a card to be plugged into the Video slot once,
the card inside the 2024 certainly is not. You'll have to build some
small adaptor if you want to put it back where it once was, and I
don't know if the card doesn't get too high then, so that you wouldn't
be able to close the case afterwards. Having it external is not that
nice and clean, but it is much simpler ;-))

-Markus
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Markus M. Wild    -  wild@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch  |  wild@amiga.physik.unizh.ch 
Vital papers will demonstrate their vitality by spontaneously moving
from where you left them to where you can't find them.
From: kzyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A3000 questions
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:41:13 EDT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Cornell University

	The 4FG is a 13.75" monitor advertised as 15" because
it is flat screen and does overscan. Effectively 15" ;)
	Edval
esantos@ee.cornell.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: David Howarth <David_Howarth@TRIGATE.sbc.com>
Subject: Re: Xebec SCSI Controller and 2.04
Organization: Technology Resources Inc.
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 92 15:50:28 GMT

Subject: Xebec SCSI Controller and 2.04 
From: David Weinstein, dweinste@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu

If you are referring to Xetec SCSI Controllers, you might want to update
your
ROM/Software. This is both easy and fairly cheap.  Upgrade to ROM 1.51
and the
1.55 Software costs $15 plus $1 postage.  This is their 2.04 compliant
level of 
software/firmware.  Call them at 913-827-0685 between
10AM and 4:30PM CST or write at: Xetec, 2804 Arnold Rd., Salina, KS. 67401
Of course this is all listed in their user manuals.  I find their
customer support
and upgrade policies excellent.

If you are not referring to Xetec and there really is a Xebec SCSI
controller, 
never mind. 8^)

David Howarth
my .sig is being ported from a unix box to this mac. This could take a
while!
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.audio
From: Hans Ridder <ridder@zso.dec.com>
Subject: Re: Audio CD to digital data?
Originator: ridder@zowie.zso.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation - DECwest Engineering
Distribution: comp
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:33:17 GMT

In article <1992Jul23.203836.17323@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> jdickson@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Jeff Dickson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul23.181330.21049@ninja.zso.dec.com> Hans Ridder <ridder@zso.dec.com> writes:
>>CDROM drives (apparently all of them) will *not* allow you to read the
>>data bits from an audio track[....]
>
>Couldn't the CD audio be redigitized with some kind of on board digitizer?

I suppose it could, but I don't know of any CDROM drives that do
(there's probably no market for that either, which would make it rather
specialized and expensive.)  And the original question was about getting
the audio bits specifically *without* redigitizing.  It would be nice,
but the recording companies/artists wouldn't like it....

-hans
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From: Zapper@qube.OCUnix.On.Ca (Zapper)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Really flaky amiga 500
Distribution: world
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:05:49 EDT
Organization: The QuBE BBS

  I have a 500 that I've done an awful lot of hacking on... it's had
everything done to it at one time or another...

  Right now it's in a large tower case, and since I moved it there it's
been acting flaky...

  I will use it for anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours, and then it
will go psycho... the screen will go crazy and then usually settle to solid
red. The display on my supraFAXmodem with go EXTREMELY crazy, as the little
LED display will shimmer and dance like a TV tuned to no station... the
machine will then not respond to CTRL-A-A... and will not come up after a
power cycle.

  However, if I open the case and reseat the chips or even bend the
motherboard a little, it will almost always come up. I have the motherboard
mounted as straight as I can get it and it doesn't move of course during
use.

  I gather the problem has something to do with chip seating, but can
anyone perhaps give me a clue as to what chip is most likely going hairy on
me? I assume it was the Agnes, but I am not sure. I also get yellow and
dark blue screens occasionally in lockups.

  Any help is appreciated, thanks.

-- Via DLG Pro v0.992

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From: amvirtan@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Anna M Virtanen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.multimedia
Subject: CDTV questions
Keywords: HD,flickerfixer,genlock,joystick
Date: 25 Jul 92 18:51:47 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: University of Helsinki

Before I buy a CDTV (I am about to), I would like to make sure a few
things:
 
Can I fit a hard drive, a genlock, a flickerfixer and additional RAM
all INSIDE the CDTV? If not, what should I connect externally? Does
the remote control work as a joystick as well?
Organization: Ege University - Computing Center
Date: Tuesday, 28 Jul 1992 10:59:53 TUR
From: Cem Turgay <PROHVK38@TREARN.BITNET>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: HELP: WB windows freeze until disket change !
 <1992Jul28.052704.16443@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU>

> >I've troubled with A500 (rev 6)
> >If I use the CLI, there is no problem within the overall system.
> >But when I try to open several drawers on workbench, the mouse and
> >keyboard locked and the screen frozen until I changed the disket
> >in driver. I do not need to change disket but at least push/pull the
> >driver button once. The screen and inputs works after this but
> >until next click. This happened after every 1-3 opening of the drawers.
>
> Put C:SetPatch back in your s:Startup-sequence and leave it there!
> C= know why they put it there.
>
>       +------------------------------------------------------+
>       |   Peter Urbanec    s1013734@spectrum.cs.unsw.oz.au   |

But it is there !
I always use setpatch command in my startup-sequence.

Cem
From: aces@mcode.amdahl.com (Jeffrey D. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Value of a signature A1000?
Date: 30 Jul 92 16:32:27 GMT
Reply-To: jds30@amail.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale Ca.

In article <4606@hq.hq.af.mil>, snolan@postmaster@hq.af.mil (Scott D Nolan) writes:
> Hello, I have a friend who is now jobless and in real need of
> money.  She has a used A1000 she got fairly inexpensively about
> 1 year ago.  She has discovered that her A1000 has signatures,
> of C= or Amiga Company engineers i think, on her mother board.
The signatures are under the top cover.
From: rzv30@amail.amdahl.com (Rene' A. Vega)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: Appletalk
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:20:57 GMT
Reply-To: rzv30@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Rene' A. Vega)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation

>What are the specs for appletalk?  I just want to plug my 
>imagewriterii into my A500 hopefully via serial.  

Appletalk (actually LocalTalk) electrical spec uses the Synchronous Data Link 
Control (SDLC) protocol. The signalling is based on EIA RS-422, so you would 
have to build a circuit to convert from the RS-232C signalling protocol to RS-
422. Actually that wouldn't work well, becuase the effective data rate is 
around 230Kbits/second. I doubt very much if the internal serial port could 
keep up with that data rate even on accelerated machines.

The networking protocols including the  printer access protocol are quite 
involved and complicated, not quite a weekend software hacking project I'd 
say.

If you're interested in AppleTalk pick up the book called: Inside AppleTalk, 
second edition, Addison Wesley.

Also, I do recall seeing a posting about AppleTalk for the Amiga, and I even 
managed to drudge it up from my archives... Here's the article:



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Article 10164 of comp.sys.amiga.hardware:
>From: mykes@amiga0.SF-Bay.ORG (Mike Schwartz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re:  AppleTalk & Amiga
Date: 24 Aug 91 20:55:24 GMT
Organization: Amiga makes it possible
 
In article <1027@boing.UUCP> dale@boing.UUCP (Dale Luck) writes:
>In article karl@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (J Karl Meinhardt) writes:
>=Is there a way to connect an Amiga 2000 to an AppleTalk network?  Any help
>=would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Progressive Peripherals is/was marketing a product called DoubleTalk for
>the Amiga. It is supposedly compatible with AppleShare for PEER-TO-PEER
>file sharing on the Amiga, as well as printer sharing. The localtalk
>board is compatible with Apple localtalk networks and should plug right
>in. Sure wish they had this stuff running Ethertalk on A2065 card.
>We'd have a real fast peer-to-peer network solution for the Amiga then.
>
 
The Hydra systems/GVP Ethernet AmigaNet network is a real fast peer-to-peer
network solution for the Amiga.  It doesn't work with 2.0, however.  AmigaNet
for 1.3 is exactly what anyone could ever want in an Amiga networking 
solution,
with the exception of the lack of a NetBios level interface.  The NetBios 
interface
would allow for developers access to network level communication between 
machines...
 
>-- 
>Dale Luck     GfxBase/Boing, Inc.
>              1881 Ellwell Dr. Milpitas, Ca. 95035
>              408-262-1469  fax=408-262-8276
>{uunet!cbmvax|pyramid}!boing!dale
 
--
     /\
    //\\
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\\//    \\ MIGA
 \/ Mike Schwartz, Los Altos, California, USA
 
 
From JUTS!amdahl!oliveb!olivea!uunet!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-
state.edu!linac!att!att!mcdchg!laidbak!amiganet.chi.il.us!brianv Tue Aug 27 
21:52:04 PDT 1991
Article 10183 of comp.sys.amiga.hardware:
state.edu!linac!att!att!mcdchg!laidbak!amiganet.chi.il.us!brianv
>From: brianv@amiganet.chi.il.us (Brian Vargyas)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: AppleTalk & Amiga
Date: 23 Aug 91 05:38:06 GMT
Organization: Amiga Network Information Systems
 
In article <1991Aug21.143414.29420@cray.csd.uwm.edu>, karl@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (J
Karl Meinhardt) writes:
>Is there a way to connect an Amiga 2000 to an AppleTalk network?  Any help
>would be greatly appreciated.
>Karl
 
Welp, if you REALLY Must connect your machines via AppleTalk, there is a
company called DigiFex in Oregon that makes a product for the A500 and A2000
that allows you to link into a AppleTalk system and share printers, transfer
files, etc.....I tested a system for awhile and didn't care for it all that
much, was really slow....  However, its about your only choice that I know of.
 
--
brianv@amiganet.chi.il.us  -  Amiga Network Information Systems BBS
6 Lines, (708)-983-6435.  1.6 Gigabytes, Full NewsFeeds/Mail, All FRED FISH
on CD_ROM.  Lisle, IL (Chicago Area).  "Developer of Cnet USENET Shell"
 
 
From 
JUTS!amdahl!oliveb!olivea!uunet!zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!cryo!billc 
Tue Aug 27 21:52:15 PDT 1991
Article 10199 of comp.sys.amiga.hardware:
JUTS!amdahl!oliveb!olivea!uunet!zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!cryo!billc
>From: billc@cryo.rain.com (William J. Coldwell)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re:  AppleTalk & Amiga
Date: 24 Aug 91 06:35:42 GMT
<brianv.9673@amiganet.chi.il.us>
Organization: Cryogenic Software
 
In article <brianv.9673@amiganet.chi.il.us> brianv@amiganet.chi.il.us (Brian 
Vargyas) writes:
>In article <1991Aug21.143414.29420@cray.csd.uwm.edu>, karl@csd4.csd.uwm.edu 
(J
>Karl Meinhardt) writes:
>>Is there a way to connect an Amiga 2000 to an AppleTalk network?  Any help
>>would be greatly appreciated.
>>Karl
>
>Welp, if you REALLY Must connect your machines via AppleTalk, there is a
>company called DigiFex in Oregon that makes a product for the A500 and A2000
>that allows you to link into a AppleTalk system and share printers, transfer
>files, etc.....I tested a system for awhile and didn't care for it all that
>much, was really slow....  However, its about your only choice that I know 
of.
 
AppleTalk is only 230Kbps, so it's not a speed demon.  It _is_ faster than
your floppy ;-).
 
Forget about DigiFeX... I own all rights to the code, and will be marketing
it through CSA (with an 040 attached).  I am redesigning it, and doing some
extreme improvement in interrupt handling which will mean less packet
collision.  Interact is an unsupported product, as is all of the rest of
CMI's projects that DigiFeX took over.  The only product that they are
currently selling is the V.I.P. (Video Interface Professional).
 
>brianv@amiganet.chi.il.us  -  Amiga Network Information Systems BBS
>on CD_ROM.  Lisle, IL (Chicago Area).  "Developer of Cnet USENET Shell"
                                         XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
 
Yeh, I modified that to work with my BBX.  Nice program, too bad you made
the new version C-Net specific P-Files (or whatever they're called).  If
you want to see it in action (along with the FF disks on ROM ;-) call.  Ok,
so it was a plug... in the wrong area no less... sorry.
--
   William J. Coldwell        Amiga Attitude Adjuster     Cryogenic Software
  Internet: billc@cryo.rain.com                    BBX: CryoCafe 503/257-4823
      UUCP: ...tektronix!percy!cryo!billc       Portal: Cryo
     "This message is made of biodegradable characters.  Please Recycle."
 

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Rene' A. Vega    
Computer & Systems Architecture
*** My opinions, not my employers ***
From: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: @$#^@$%# 2.04!
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:20:06 GMT
Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica
X-NewsSoftware: Amiga Yarn 2.0, 1992/06/25 01:41:36

In <1992Jul24.022407.26450@Armstrong.EDU>, prall968@Armstrong.EDU wrote:
>  Well when I go around and try to ftp some GOOD software all I see is:
> KS 2.0 required...
> 
>  I am a bit poor here and donb't have the scads of money lots of others do
> NOR care to hack my poor machine to oblivion JUST to add 2.0 ROMS
> and why should I when 1.3 works JUUUUUST fine for me.

If it works just fine, why do you need the new software?

> So then why is all this stuff now out for 2.0.. Whatever happened to downward
> compatibility?

It died when CBM added a host of new libraries and entry points that
make doing lots of things easier; in some cases it makes them
possible.  Software that is given away is generally written because
the author wants it. The extra functionality provided by 2.0 is a
major boon to programmers who don't have to worry about "market share"
(say 80% of them), so they're quick to use it. If you need something
other than what they need, you're probably going to have to write it
yourself.

	<mike
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
From: aduncan@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Allan Duncan)
Subject: Re: How do I replace my AMiga drive with an IBM 1?
Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:31:29 GMT

From article <1992Jul24.110443.9995@cs.uow.edu.au>, by u8705377@cs.uow.edu.au (Paul Anthony Wilkinson):
> OK. The HD Floppy thread refuses to die...
> 
> About six months ago my friend bought a second internal floppy for his A3000
> through the local dealer - cost about A$160. When I heard about the new
> HD floppy drives we checked his out and found that it did indeed support HD
> disks.  Now with advent of Amax 2.5 with support for Mac HD disks I decided
> that I would have to get one of these drives.  I got the part number of my
> friends disk drive and contacted the local dealer and asked them to get a 
> price.  They came back and said that Commodore said something like 
> "We know what you are up to asking for a FD-357 and you can't have one"
> although two days later someone else from the dealer called to say that 
> Commodore claimed that an FD-357 was a PC disk drive and $190.
> 
> After all this I decided that the Commodore drive can't be too different from
> the normal PC drive so I bought a 1.44MB 3.5 from a local pc parts dealer 
> (A$76!!).  I had to solder in an extra wire to get the disk change line to 
> work properly. I have not been able to get the Amiga to recognise the drive
> as a HD drive.  I see from the include files that trackdisk.device is capable
> of recognising a "3.5 inch 150 RPM" drive.  Does anyone know what signals the
> Commodore drive sets to indicate a HD drive/disk or should I just go back to
> trying to get a drive from Commodore?

Once again I need to point out that the HD drives that occasionally
appear out of C= when no one is looking are SPECIAL.  When they sense a
HD floppy, the motor turns at HALF SPEED, so that the data rate is the
same as a DD floppy, but a track is twice as long.  This is b/c the
decoding chip etc in the Amiga is not capable of the doubled data rate
of the standard HD drive.  One day we may see a new chip with higher
speed, till then, forget trying to mod a PC 1.44 drive.

Allan Duncan	ACSnet	 a.duncan@trl.oz
(+613) 253 6708	Internet a.duncan@trl.oz.au
		UUCP	 {uunet,hplabs,ukc}!munnari!trl.oz.au!a.duncan
Telecom Research Labs, PO Box 249, Clayton, Victoria, 3168, Australia.
From: peteru@hydra.maths.unsw.EDU.AU
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: A600 HD SCSI or NOT The man speaks :-)?
Date: 30 Jul 92 00:44:27 GMT
Organization: school of Mathematics UNSW

In article <1992Jul29.020923.10473@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> mlelstv@speckled.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
>In <1992Jul28.161658.2898@memstvx1.memst.edu> cse_stu@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>>SysINFO finds ICD's IDE drive and says that it is SCSI but it really isn't.
>
>Yep, as someone from C= already said, the IDE driver of the A600 simulates
>a couple of SCSI_DIRECT commands and thus appears as a SCSI drive to
>SysInfo and HDToolBox. This way they probably avoided rewriting HDToolBox.

What a shame, they should rewrite HDToolBox so it works. It won't work with my
A2090a (but I don't really mind 'cause it's the firmware ROMs that are due for
upgrade) and it don't work with mi ICD AdSCSI2000 either. With the ICD it just
scans the bus, and when it should report that it found a SCSI device on one of
the valid addresses it just locks up the whole machine.

Solutions anyone?


Peter Urbanec				  peteru@hydra.maths.unsw.oz.au
University of New South Wales		s1013734@cs.unsw.oz.au
Sydney, Australia
		The only sin is stupidity  - Machiavelli
From: mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Re: MIPS results: Which one is true ???
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:58:44 GMT
Reply-To: mks@cbmvax.commodore.com (Michael Sinz)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

PROHVK38@TREARN.BITNET (Cem Turgay) writes:
>Here are some replies that I get.
>I don't know how are them measured.
>Which one is close to real result ?
>May Dave Haynie knows ?
>
>     Processor               MIPS
                              ^^^^

Meaningless
Indicators of
Processor
Speed...

This is really very uninteresting.  For example, the on the 68040,
the NOP instruction is actually sometimes rather slow.  (Very slow)
yet the time to execute it is basically 0, but the fact that it forces
pipeline sync and pending writes to finish means that it can take many
cycles.  On a 68000, a DIVU or DIVS takes up to 168 cycles.  At 7MHz
this comes out to 41,700 DIVS per second (0.041 MIPS) but then a
MOVE register to register takes 4 cycles (1.75 MIPS) but then doing
just one or the other is not what sofeware does.  Plus, given that
sometimes you get wait states to memory but you may have a cache on
the CPU but it may be off for certain memory areas, etc, all make MIPS
figures for processors useless.  Plus, when you look at the difference
between the instuctions and what they did, if it takes 5 instructions
to do something on one processor but it take 10 instructions on the other,
who cares if the second processor has 50% more "MIPS" since you need
twice as many MIPS just to make up for the fact that it take more
instructions to get the job done.

Lets just say that the 68040 is *very* fast.  The 68030 is fast (as is the
68020 at the same clock rate unless you add the external MMU) and the 68000
is rather slow (when put beside these others).

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|     ///                   Operating System Development Group         |
|    ///   BIX:  msinz      UUNET:  mks@cbmvax.commodore.com           |
|\\\///                     When people are free to do as they         |
| \XX/                      please, they usually imitate each other.   |
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Organization: K.U.Leuven - Academic Computing Center
Date: Thursday, 23 Jul 1992 09:59:01 +02
From: <GHGAGAA@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
Subject: Adding extra HD to A3000 (missing cable ???)

Hi,

As you may have read in my other post, I just purchased a Maxtor 120MB
to add to my A3000/25/50. I had a quick look inside my A3000 this morning
and I noticed that while the power cable reaches to the free space next
to the diskdrive, the SCSI cable only reaches to just above the already
installed Quantum 52MB in the back. The connector also doesn't seem to
fit. (It has the correct amount of pins and is connected to the Quantum)
Am I missing some sort of extra cable that connects to this connector and
reaches to the free space next to the disk drive ?

(if you haven't read my other post: I'd also like to know the jumper
settings for the Maxtor 120MB to have SCSI address 5 and I'd like to
get some opinions about the Maxtor 120MB HD)


-Ives
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