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From: amueller@cis.ohio-state.edu (andrew j mueller)
Subject: ovation acoustic guitar for sale
Originator: amueller@rinkitink.cis.ohio-state.edu
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Distribution: cmh
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 13:36:36 GMT

 ovation acoustic guitar ( celeb )     $ 225 OBO

 ***** signed by JON BON HIMSELF !!!!!!


 also: CD player   like NEW !        $ 100 OBO


 please send e-mail





Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: sihd_ss@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Dan Shimmyo)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Crazy Riff.
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:16:33 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <1992Apr09.194612.4084@ecst.csuchico.edu> lonewolf@ecst.csuchico.edu (William Jospeh Bestor) writes:

>Here's a riff from Crazy Train:

>E|-|
>B|-|
>G|-| 
>D|-|
>A|-------4---4-0-----4-0-----4-0-|
>E|-0-2-2---2-----4-0-----4-0-----|

>LoneWolf.

This riff doesn't look familiar except maybe the 4 notes after the first.
Was this supposed the be the beginning of crazy train by Ozzy?

i.e. 
E:---------------------------------=
B:---------------------------------=
G:---------------------------------=
D:---------------------------------=
A:-----4---5---4---2-------2-------=
E:-2-2---2---2---2---5-4-5---5-4-0-=

Just wondering...

Dan.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: jamesb@nevada.edu (James Bender)
Subject: ftp guitar tab site update
Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:28:48 GMT

	Hi. Well, as many of you know, the ftp tab guitar archive at

	ftp.nevada.edu 

opened a week ago. Since then, thanks to contributions from some nice people, 
the size of the thing has QUADRUPLED. Thanks and keep those tab coming in. 
I am expanding the submision criteria to include things from song books, and
magazines as long as you give credit to the author, and the publisher. 
Remember to put your name IN the submission, and onlty send one song in each
peice of mail(or I have to sit here and pick them apart :(  ).

	For those who asked, the node number is 131.216.1.11  

						Thanks,



						James B


From:     		jamesb@redrock.nevada.edu
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From: butterwo@cs.tulane.edu (Blake Butterworth)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Need some guitar info.
Date: 6 Apr 92 23:46:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr6.234627.20090
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-20038]: isis


    Howdy everyone.  I'm posting this message because I'm interested in
 purchasing a guitar in the future.  I am pretty new to this news group,
 and I've never posted an article.  So, here goes...

    I've been taking classical guitar lessons and have a cheap acoustic
 guitar.  I'm now looking to purchase my first electric guitar.  Some
 of my friends have guitars which I've played around on (like Les Pauls and
 Stratocasters), and they all seem really cool.  But I was wanting to know
 some info on other brands of guitars, specifically, Carvin and PRS guitars.

    One of my friends who plays bass purchased a Carvin 5-string fretless a
 while back.  It seems to me to be a very well made instrument, but I am
 really not an expert on what is good and what isn't.  I sent away for one of
 their catalogs, and from what I can tell their guitars are fairly priced
 and offer a large choice of options and features (like neck-thru bodies,
 ebony fingerboards, diffferent pick-up options, etc...).  I was wondering
 if anyone out there has purchased one of these guitars, and if so, what
 their opinions are (or anyone's opinion in general).

    I'm also interested in PRS guitars, but it looks like they may be way
 out of my price range.  I've read the other posts to this group, and it
 sounds like PRS guitars are cool, too.  I was particularly interested in the
 PRS EG model (options if any, price, etc.), and how they rate to other
 models in the PRS line.

    Also, if anyone could give me some advice on other types of guitars
 that offer good quality for a relatively decent price,  I'm totally open
 to suggestions.  (The guitars don't necessarily have to be new.)

    And finally, I have a last group of general questions:
 1) What's the best way to buy a guitar--through the mail (it seems that each
    catalog has different prices for the same instruments)? or through a
    music shop? or what?
 2) What exactly is active electronics? and are they better than passive?
 3) Is ebony, rosewood, or maple best for a fingerboard? or is it personal
    taste?
 4) Which pick-up configurations are best? (is it good to have at least one
    single coil and one humbucker or what?)

    Please feel free to answer any questions, if any at all.  All advice
 would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance for any help and sorry
 for all of the questions (hopefully they weren't stupid ones).


							      --Blake
From: dbw@svl.cdc.com (Dave Woerner)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: High, Action?
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:19:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: shamash.40632

css1rs@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Russell Smithers) writes:

>What does high action mean? I know this a very basic question but I don't
>know what it means.
High action: larger than average distance between the frets and the strings.

>Thanks.
No problem
From: muller@alliant.com (Jim Muller)
Subject: Re: never thought about it!
Organization: Alliant Computer Systems Corp.
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:31:14 GMT

In <1992Apr6.160459.29759@nstn.ns.ca> GEN2022@Husky1.StMarys.Ca
   (RYAN ORLANDO) writes:
>You know.....I never thought about it but alt.guitar si just like taking
>private guitar lessons.  Not only can you get music(tab, chords) but...

Okay, play that last passage again, and let me listen.  I'm curious how you
did those accents...  Uh, I can't hear anything.  Play it again just like
that but louder.  Much louder...  Geez, all I can hear is my disk drives.
I don't think this is gonna' work out.
-- 
Jim Muller
muller@alliant.com
From: mdbrown@bmera271.bnr.ca (Matthew Brown 1629309)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitar Pedal survey -HELP ME PLEASE!
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:44:44 GMT
Reply-To: mdbrown@bmera271.bnr.ca (Matthew Brown 1629309)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

I like your idea.  I don't think its far-fetched.  I do however believe
that the development effort will far outweigh the production price.  My
reasoning for this is that with the recent advances in digital signal
processor (DSP) technology it is becoming very cost-effective to perform
complex analog processing.  In order to implement the functionality that
you've described however, will require a very thorough understanding of
the acoustic properties that characterize the sound of the instruments
that you wish to emulate.  I think that if you can keep the price to a
reasonable value your project may prove fruitful.

+---------------------------------------------------------------+
| Matthew Brown, mdbrown@bnr.ca                                 |
| Bell Northern Research, Ottawa, Ontario, (613)763-8790        |
| Dare to be audacious!                                         |
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From: johnmac@reg.triumf.ca (JOHNMAC*DOUGALL TRIUMF OPERATIONS)
Subject: Re: What so great about Martin guitar ?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 08:05:00 GMT

>Somebody mentioned the maple "bridge plate".  Were you talking about the
>piece I just call the "bridge", which is on the outside of the top and
>supports the saddle, or to the thin reinforcing piece that is on the inside 
>of the top just underneath.  I could be easily be wrong, but I thought that
>all Martin bridges and fingerboards matched for any model, and that they
>were either ebony on 28s and above, or rosewood on 18s (except for customs).
> 
>(apologies for waiting over a week to re-join this thread.  I've been away
>for a while.)
> 
>-rich
>             Richard H. Schwartz, Scheduling Systems Inc.,
>            1000 Massachusetts Avenue, Cambridge, MA  02138
>                  (617) 864 8330; FAX (617) 864 8377
>                          rhs@world.std.com

The bridge plate is the thin reinforcing plate inside the top under the bridge.
It is the second largest piece of cross-grain wood on the top so the size and 
type of wood used greatly affects the sound.  In 1968 Martin switched from a
thin maple plate to a larger, thicker rosewood plate, much to the detriment of
the sound.  Martin has since gone back to using maple bridge plates.

Let's keep this Martin thread going because it sure beats discussing the merits
of Strats made by an automatic shaper located in Mexico, Japan or the Uwe Ess
of Eh!  

-john 
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: ebshen@athena.mit.edu (Eric B Shen)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: MORE THAN WORDS tab (was Re: WANT some chords...)
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:17:55 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

No flame here, Ken.  I think it's good, the way you tabbed out all the chords,
but some minor points to the net readers:

Nuno plays this with his right hand fingers, NOT A PICK.  You shouldn't use a
pick if you want to get this right.  He ends up 'grabbing' the chords with his
index, middle, ring, and thumb.  (So technically, there shouldn't be more than 4
notes in a chord being sounded).  He also adds some pickup/bass-line type things
with his thumb which aren't in this tab.

Watch the video, it has some closeups on his hand.

Haven't looked closely at the tab, but there's a mistake in the first part:

E -X--3----X--3----X--3----3-3----X--0----3-0----X--0----2-X-3--    ||
A -X--3----3--3----3--3----3-3----1--1----1-1----1--1----1-X-1--    ||
D -X--0----0--0----0--0----0-0----0--0----0-0----0--0----2-X-2--   .||
G -X--0----0--0----2--2----2-2----2--2----2-2----2--2----0-0-0--   .||
B -X--X----2--2----3--3----3-3----0--0----0-0----3--3----X-X-X--    ||
E -3--X----X--X----X--X----X-X----X--X----X-X----X--X----X-X-X--    ||

   G       G       C       C      Amin7   Amin7  C       D7th

The D7th should be just a D and then Dsus4.
--2------3-
--3------3-
-----2--(2)
--0-----(0)
-----------
-----------
  D      Dsus4

Of course, you guys know that the tab has been published already, so refer to
that if you need to.

Eric Shen
ebshen@athena.mit.edu
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: High Action
From: phys174@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
Date: 9 Apr 92 16:14:29 +1200
Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand

Another reason for a high action:

You want a high(ish) action if you play slide.
From: fsntemp@med.unc.edu (Temporary FSN Employee)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Simon Patrick
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:34:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UNC School of Medicine
Originator: fsntemp@addor

Someone help me identify this guitar, please.

I have not yet seen but have been told about a guitar
for sale near me and I would like to know a little 
about it so that if it is really worth it I can make
an offer.

It is a six string acoustic steel-string (is there a
shorter way of saying this?) apparently made in Canada.
I have never heard of Simon Patrick guitars and would
greatly appreciate any informed opinions about their
general quality and reputation.  I was told that this
particular guitar lists for $700 and is now being 
offered by someone out in the countryside for $200 with
 a hardshell case.

Is this a deal?, too good a deal, maybe?  
Please E-mail any info to me (I can't keep up with all
this mail) at : fsntemp@med.unc.edu

Any and all revelations are welcome and appreciated

Benj Popkin .
From: hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: scales
Keywords: scales
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:05:10 GMT
Organization: Department of Philosophy, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands

platt@watson.ibm.com (Daniel E. Platt) writes:

>In article <hjv.702813107@groucho.phil.ruu.nl>, hjv@phil.ruu.nl (Hendrik Jan Veenstra) writes:
>|> Just listen. If it sounds right, it IS right. This is 1992, not 1892. Forget
>|> about the theory (which doesn't imply all theory is worthless - but it can be
>|> very constraining... Some of the nicest pieces I've written (IMHO of course :)
>|> don't fit in any theory, scale, etc. whatsoever)

>Just a few comments:

>Bottom line: enjoy the music.  Theory can help; its a guide.  It
>is likely that some really nice ideas can emerge from studying
>theory.  But it isn't the end -- just a means.

Yup, I totally agree. My first posting was just a small 'anti-eruption'.
Sometimes I get so fed up with people who know everything about the theory and
love to display their knowledge, but who at the same time make real f*cking bad
music (I know some of this kind..). Whereas I also know some people who hardly
know anything about theory, but who happen to have a good musical feeling and
write totally non-conforming music that sounds real good.
But you're right: theory *can* be a great help (as I already meant to say in my
first posting). But it can also be killing...


--
Hendrik Jan Veenstra - Department of Philosophy
University of Utrecht - The Netherlands
USENET: hjv@phil.ruu.nl   * don't worry about life; it's not permanent *
From: hoijoonk@nation.ICS.UCI.EDU
Subject: Another question about 4-Tracks....
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Date: 10 Apr 92 18:26:12 GMT

Hi, all !!

I am in the middle of looking for a USED 4-track for about $250.00.
I found two possibly decent gears in that price range.  One is Fostex X-30,
about a year or two old; and the other is Teac 144, which is a lot older
than the Fostex.  The prices of both of them I found was identical at $250.

If any of you have any experience or information about those 4-tracks, please
write me back.  I'd really appreciate it.

-- Henry (hoijoonk@bonnie.ics.uci.edu)
From: css1rs@ee.surrey.ac.uk (Russell Smithers)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: RE: Higher Action
Date: 10 Apr 92 10:45:43 GMT
Reply-To: css1rs@mcs.surrey.ac.uk
Organization: University of Surrey, Guildford, England

Thanks to all that posted and mailed me about this, its useful know.

Happy Playing.
From: gray@celia.UUCP (Steve Gray)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Guitar prices/class
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:12:28 GMT
Reply-To: celia!gray@usc.edu (Steve Gray)
Distribution: alt
Organization: Rhythm & Hues, Inc., Hollywood

I own two Kramers, one I bought for ~$800 (its a Floyd Rose Custom Model) and
the other for ~$400 (I forget the model name, but it looks like a pointy
Explorer).  Both have Floyd Rose whammy bars on the (the real ones, not a 
copy).  I like and play both of the guitars.

I own one (or pieces there of) BC Rich Warlock.  Bought it for ~$500 (I think)
played it for a while.  Got really tired of it and the kind of second rate
sounds it generally got so I smashed it on stage at some show about a year
ago.  Boy was that fun!

The Warlock is ok for serious heavy metal but if you want to do anything else
the sounds it gets are kinda lame.  So I'm down on BC Rich now.

Your mileage may vary.
Newsgroups: alt.guitar,rec.music.makers,rec.music.misc
From: fscll@acad3.alaska.edu (Chris Lott)
Subject: CARVIN experience? Plus Jackson and LesPaul values
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 06:12:24 GMT

Has anyone that has owned or played a Carvin guitar tell me what their new
models are like? I just got their most recent catalog and they had some good
prices and some nice looking equipment. I know that my old Carvin was one of
the best guitars I had ever played as far as speed, action, and price for all
of the above. But I don't know. How do they compare to everyone else?

Also, I just got a tip about Jackson's... and I saw a REALLY good deal on the
Jackson Soloist and the Fusion from Musician's friend... any comments about
these. 

They also sell Les Paul's, butI have never played a new Les Paul and
have no idea if they are nearly as good as the vintage... the standard and the
almost identical looking classic LOOK nice.. but?

Thanks in advance for helping, livingin Alaska and having to Mail-Order sucks!
So all your help is greatly appreciated.
-- 
 __________________________________________________________
|  Christopher L. Lott  --- Poet and Pauper                |
|__________________________________________________________|___
|  fscll@alaska                | "And now what shall become of |
|  fscll@acad3.alaska.edu      |  us without any barbarians?   |
 ------------------------------|  Those people were a kind of  |
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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: rfries@ub.com (Robert Fries)
Subject: Re: Question on Fret Wear
Organization: Ungermann Bass
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:41:58 GMT

In article <ADA.92Apr6115558@zip.larc.nasa.gov> ada@zip.larc.nasa.gov (Anthony Arviola) writes:

>I just bought my first new guitar and I'm wondering how I can avoid
>prematurely wearing out my frets.  

... stuff deleted

Never play it.

But seriously, they're like tires. If you use them, they wear out.
On guitars I've had (many, many), this has taken several years
of heavy playing. If it's a good instrument, get it refretted
when they wear out.

Robert
From: frankc@faatcrl (Frank Coffman)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitar - What to look for?
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:57:55 GMT

mdbrown@bmera271.bnr.ca (Matthew Brown 1629309) writes:

>I am planning to spend under CDN $800.  I'd like an acoustic with
>pickups.  I expect that the guitar might get bumped around so I'd like
>something a bit rugged in construction and finish.
 
 Nothing comes close to Ovations as far as durability.  The finish on
 the tops is practically unscrachable (hence no pickguards) and the
 backs are made of some composite material, so you really have to
 abuse them to damage them.  The also have fast necks, quality
 components and good resale value.  I've owned an Electric Legend for
 about 10 years, and have been very happy with it.

 As far as sound goes, you have to judge for yourself.  They have a
 sound of their own; I think they sound pretty good acousticaly, but
 not nearly as good as a good wooden guitar.  As an acoustic/electric,
 I think they sound as good or better than any thing I've heard, and
 have nearly no feedback problems.

 They make so many different models, you can probably find one in your
 budget range.  You might also want to look for a well cared for used
 one.


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Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: chhabra@boa.cis.ohio-state.edu (Tall Cool One)
Subject: Re: SEND ALL TAB to NEW TAB Site!!!!
Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 19:28:14 GMT

In article <92107.125743APL105@psuvm.psu.edu> <APL105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>HOW DO I HOOK UP WITH  YOUR FTP SITE..  IM ON THE PENN STATE MAINFRAME.
>What about passwords to get in???

Real easilly...

type 'ftp ftp.nevada.edu'
you should get a prompt for login.. then
type 'anonymous' as the login name.
type 'your address' as the password.
then you should be in
the guitar stuff is in the /pub/guitar directory
From: ua1cs110@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Geoff Inget)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: JT!!!
Date: 14 Apr 92 01:44:33 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

Mark Rogers(Article 1995) expressed interest in some JT tab/chords, etc.  I have
been having a hell of a time trying to figure out "You've Got A Friend
myself and find his music an interesting topic.  Any people out there have
anything by him to post?  

Geoff Inget
ua1cs110
"Life is just... a series of dogs..." George Carlin
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: bkeating@jarthur.claremont.edu (Fool With A Plan)
Subject: tabs
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 02:32:28 GMT

I like tabs!
Its one of the only reasons why I read this newsgroup!
Post more!
MORE!
I will post some too,  even though I don't know too many songs.
They are rare enough right now so that you can just flip right through them
without them being too annoying.  There is much more that you have to
flip through that you are not interested in besides just tabs.

-brett

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: masanag@athena.mit.edu (Masahiko Nagamiya)
Subject: Re: Great Kat / Alice Cooper's "Be (Feed?) My Frankenstein"
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 20:54:31 GMT

In article <29EA24EB.29851@noiro.acs.uci.edu> jgray@laguna.eng.uci.edu (Jeff Gray) writes:
>Also, on Alice Cooper's song "Be (or is it Feed?) My Frankenstein"
>the guitar solo has 3 distinct sections.  The middle section is
>obviously Steve Vai, and the last one is Satriani, but who plays
>that first section?

Isn't the first part Joe, then Vai, then a little Joe, then both?
The Vai part expresses SO MUCH of what kind of a player he is, I think.
Sort of twisted, some legato stuff.... I wish the solos were longer, though.

-Masa

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From: exubrst@exu.ericsson.se (Brad Steele,xt-dkb,x1209)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: THEORY . .?
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:11:36 GMT
Reply-To: exubrst@exu.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.

In article 203657WKM101@psuvm.psu.edu, WKM101@psuvm.psu.edu () writes:
> 
>  ALL great music comes from the
>          creative soul. . . .
>    NOT from THEORY books!


Yes, but one should at least know
Italian before attempting to sing
opera.

---
Brad Steele
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
From: larryh@cabezon.uucp (Larry Huntley)
Subject: Re: CHORDS!!
Organization: SCN Research/QIC Laboratories of Tigard Oregon
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 02:26:42 GMT

In article <1992Apr8.142538.14974@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> mozart@coos.dartmouth.edu (Sting) writes:

>You can finger it thus:
>]-----]-----]-----]]x
>]-----]-----]-----]]
>]-----]--1--]-----]]
>]-----]--2--]-----]]
>]--3--]-----]-----]]
>]-----]-----]-----]]
>
>-Mike

	Mike - are you left-handed, playing a right-handed guitar strung
	normally, or did the mailer turn this diagram upside-down in
	transit?

	(Just kidding - nice explanation of suspension.  Boy, when I first
	 saw this chord fingering, I could only laugh at the trouble it
	 was going to give the first person who tried to play it without
	 realizing that the nut was to the right....)

-- 

    Larry Huntley / Logic Modeling Corporation / Beaverton  OR
	  "Pink and wet - they make the best kind of pet"
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