From: shchen@eos.ncsu.edu 
Subject: Re: No dog or Chinese
Originator: shchen@c00009-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: shchen@eos.ncsu.edu 
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 22:59:56 GMT


In article <1992Jul23.111733.4700@gw.wmich.edu>, 31he@gw.wmich.edu writes:
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|>From: 31he@gw.wmich.edu
|>Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
|>Subject: Re: No dog or Chinese
|>Message-ID: <1992Jul23.111733.4700@gw.wmich.edu>
|>Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 12:17:32 GMT+5:00
|>References: <9207192214.AA20472@rac1.wam.umd.edu> <1992Jul19.232354.18588@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Jul20.023732.41734@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
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|>Hi:
|>
|>	Stop you two! It is ridiculous arguing like taht. Although I understand
|>why. I think we should tolerate any one to choose which ever contry to be a
|>citizen of as well as to choose their dignity. I am always be proud of being a
|>Chinese, but I don't think I have the right to blame those who do not feel so.
|>We are figting for the freedom, so let's give others their freedom first.
|>
|>
|>Sincerely
|>Xiaoxia 
|>In article <1992Jul20.023732.41734@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, wavelet@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|>> In article <1992Jul19.232354.18588@midway.uchicago.edu>, hh15@ellis.uchicago.edu (he  huang) writes:
|>>>>In article <1992Jul17.015542.15997@midway.uchicago.edu>, hh15@ellis.uchicago.edu (he  huang) writes:
|>>>>> In article <1992Jul15.013744.41556@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> wavelet@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
|>>>>> 

These two people sounded like two kung fu fighters sizing each other up before
actual combat.  "Try my snake fist", "Test my crane style", "I'll show you my monkey style",
"Here's my drunken fist", blah, blah, blah........


|>>>>> 	This Mr./Ms. Wavelet has a true name Shi-I Chu.  I guess your
|>>>>                                             
|>>>>        No. My name is Jun-Zin Won. I got an account from Prof. Chu.
|>>>>     Please respect him. My posts have nothing to do with him.
|>>>>
|>>>>        BTW, FBI might be interested with you.
|>>> 
|>>> 	Oh, my, somebody should have taught you that it is very irresponsible
|>>> 	to use other people's account to post on the net (especially if it's
|>>> 	bitching) without putting a disclaimer in the article.  Anyway, you
|>>> 	now learned it from here.
|>> 
|>>         Oh, my, somebody should have taught you that it is very irresponsible
|>>         to post other people's name publically without permision and 100%
|>>         certainty. Poor spy. It is MY account. I didn't apply it myself.
|>>         Somebody should have taught you that it is stupid to extrapolate
|>>         your personal experiance to other people|>> 
|>>> 	which is a generic term for an ethnic group (not a RACE, as
|>>> 	you claimed down below.) that embraces people from mainland China,
|>>> 	Taiwan, and other places and communities where the majority of the 
|>>> 	people identify themselves with such term.  By the way, have you
|>>> 	read Yu2 Guang1-zhong1's poem "xiang1 chou2"?  Hope you did.
|>> 
|>>                    Never.
|>> 
|>>>>
|>>>>> can claim you are no longer a Chinese, and you have obtained the
|>>>>
|>>>>          I am a Taiwanese. I do not want to repeat how to distinghish
|>>>>      between Taiwanese and Chinese here. Sorry!
|>>> 
|>>> 	How to write 'Taiwan' or your name in Taiwanese character?  
|>> 
|>>             See, for example, regular articles on "Tai4 Wun2 Tong1 Shiun4"
|>>        in <Independence Daily>.
|>> 
|>>>>
|>>>>> previlege to ferociously blackmouthing and attacking the peole and the
|>>>>> land your ancestors came from, right?
|>>>>
|>>>>         Are you sure? Maybe I have a Pin-Pu ancestor.
|>>> 
|>>> 	See, even you are not sure about where your ancestors came from.
|>>> 	This is called "shu3 dian3 wang4 zu3".  Poor guy! 
|>> 
|>>           So what? Are you sure that your mother's grand grand 
|>>       father's grand grand mother is a han people? Poor guy! You
|>>       are sticking at purity of your blood. Will you jump into a
|>>       river if someday you find that your blood is not pure?
|>> 
|>>>>
|>>> (stuff deleted)
|>>>>
|>>>>        Read more posts from Chinese students.
|>>>>
|>>>>> 	And you are ridiculing Chinese students who think their
|>>>>> country is the best, who don't think his/her own country is the best,
|>>>>> with the exception of the few like you?  If you substitute "their
|>>>>> country" for "government" or technical terms like "living standards",
|>>>>> then I don't see any problem if any Chinese student wants to stay
|>>>>> outside China.  
|>>>>
|>>>>         I don't think these terms are used more frequently than
|>>>>     "China" by Chinese students themselves. So, why should I use
|>>>>     other terms?
|>>> 
|>>> 	Mmm... I have hoped that you are capable of reading posts... Let me
|>>> 	repeat what I meant in a simpler way so that you can understand:
|>>> 	All I said was that the majority of the people on earth would proclaim
|>>> 	their own country to be the best (can you say affection?) while some
|>>> 	people are willing to live their lives elsewhere for various political
|>>> 	and economic reasons.  This is like your love to your parents (I hope
|>>> 	you do) doesn't necessarily mean you'll have to live with them.
|>>> 
|>> 
|>>                 I am more conservative than you.
|>> 
|>>> 	By the way, I noticed that you didn't reply to most of my points. 
|>>> 	Maybe that means you have realized how wrong your points were in
|>>> 	your previous post.  After all, my post was meant to be a lesson
|>>> 	for you to learn.
|>> 
|>>               See my answer to lix@.... who has posted five "forwarding"s.
|>> 
|>>> 
|>>>>>>       
|>>>>>>        No! China is not a fascist nation. I can never forget the words
|>>>>>>    of my Chinese friend. "We just sent a small troop to punish Vietnam.
|>>>>>>    It took only a few days to conquer Vietnamese. We Chinese are experts
|>>>>>>    in wars. If we want to beat a country, no matter what it is, we can
|>>>>>>    always beat it to death!" he, a student from Fujen, said proudly.
|>>>>>>    China is NOT a fascist nation. She is guarding the JUSTICE of Asia.
|>>>>> 
|>>>>> 	Why the hell should what one student said have to do with
|>>>>> whether China is a fascist nation?  Your logic (or the lack of it)
|>>>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>>>>        It's up to you. I have said it is not.
|>>> 
|>>> 	I hope you are smart enough to understand that a sarcastic tone
|>>> 	means the opposite when someone said something.  Or are you trying to
|>>> 	cover up your poor logic or the total lack of it in your posts? 
|>> 
|>>          It's up to your interpretation. I have said it is not.
|>> 
|>>> 
|>>>>
|>>>>> only serve to illustrate what kind of mentality you have.  You sure no
|>>>>> Americans boasting their country's invasion of tiny countries like
|>>>>> Panama?
|>>>>
|>>>>        I am not sure. I don't think the U.S. is a fascist nation.
|>>> 
|>>> 	Good.  See, you keep learning things.
|>> 
|>>           Yes, I learn things everyday. 
|>> 
|>>> 
|>>>>
|>>>>>>          No! China is a peace-loving country. China spends money in
|>>>>>>    testing nuclear bombs when she is asking for economical aids like
|>>>>>>    educational expenses of some provinces. She is concerned with her
|>>>>>>    kids. How can a mad dog care about its kids? You are wrong. Don't
|>>>>>>    you know, since 5000 years ago, China has been expanding her territory
|>>>>>>    simply because those people who lived aside China were willing to
|>>>>>>    give up their territories to join with this peace-loving country? 
|>>>>>>    You are definitely wrong! Hong Kong and Taiwan will be the next.
|>>>>>>    Of course, the U.S. will join with China someday.
|>>>>> 
|>>>>> 	First of all, it is very unwise to make comments on something
|>>>>> that only shows your ignorance.  I will not waste my time trying to
|>>>>> teach you any bit of chinese history, since you are such a
|>>>>> chinese-hater anyway.  But if we follow your definition of a
|>>>>> peace-loving country, then China will be surprisingly in the same club
|>>>>> with the UK, France, Germany, the USA, Japan, Russia, and
|>>>>> you-name-which countries as the best peace-loving countries in the
|>>>>> world.
|>>>>
|>>>>        Why?
|>>> 
|>>> 	OK, seems here you have some problem understanding logic.  This is
|>>> 	indeed a little complicated after all.  Lemme explain: You said
|>>> 	China is a peace-loving country, because it has been expanding its
|>>> 	territory. Although this is counterfactual, but logically, your
|>>> 	comments will put China together with other more (im)famous 
|>>> 	historically territory-expanding countries like UK, France, the USA,
|>>> 	Japan, Russia, etc as the more peace-loving countries. 
|>>> 
|>> 
|>>           But I said "because...willing to give up...". Please explain to
|>>        me again without cutting my sentence. It seems that you have some
|>>        problem in reading sentence. 
|>> 
|>>> 	If you think harder, I'm sure you'll understand this.
|>> 
|>>         If you read with your eyes, I'm sure you'll understand my sentence.
|>> 
|>>>>
|>>>>> 	Maybe you are to some extend supportive of the so-called TI or
|>>>>> whatever (which is doubtful, since you are such a China-hater).  Go to
|>>>>> Hong Kong and see how many support the idea of HKI, and then go to
|>>>>> Taiwan to see how many people in Taiwan support TI.  TI'ers always
|>>>>> make loudest noise, but that in no way conceals the fact that they are
|>>>>> only a very few.
|>>>>
|>>>>         I have never been HK. Tell me your experiance, O.K.?
|>>>>      My experience in Taiwan tells me it might be 1 million or more.
|>>>>      Anyway, my post has nothing to do with TI. 
|>>> 
|>>> 	You said it might.  which means it's a subjective statement, which
|>>> 	means it doesn't mean a s**t.  My statement are based on explicit
|>>> 	and implicit polls conducted in Taiwan, such as how many taiwan 
|>>> 	voters supported TI'ist nominees in various elections. 
|>> 
|>>           "sort"? "slit"? what's that? 
|>>           My statement was based on result of votes. DPP used TI platform
|>>       and got 25% (approx.) support. About 1,000,000 people voted. Some of 
|>>       them supported DPP simply because they don't like KMT. Suppose it is
|>>       about 50%. The answer is 1,000,000. This number can be larger if one
|>>       takes into account of KMT's tricky reduction of "voting regions"
|>>       before vote.
|>>           BTW, the sample basis of each poll, so far, is only 1,000-2,000.
|>>       Some of them are very poor in designing questions. And, some people
|>>       are afraid of speaking out their real thought through phones. I do 
|>>       not believe that most of them are reliable.
|>> 
|>>>>
|>>>>>>          Why? China is a communist country. That is your obligation
|>>>>>>      to share your money with them.
|>>>>> 
|>>>>> 	If you think this a joke then sadly I'd say you don't have any
|>>>>> sense of humor.  
|>>>>
|>>>>        I think that's you.
|>>> 
|>>> 	this sentence is "gou3 pi4 bi4 tong1".  Go back and think another
|>>> 	one.
|>> 
|>>          I am always not very good in English.
|>> 
|>>>>
|>>>>>>
|>>>>>>       You are wrong again! They are THE MASTER RACE. They are
|>>>>>>   superior than you. Therefore, you must reward them much more
|>>>>>>   than they help you. Don't forget your racial class!
|>>>>>>
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