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From: roy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: Amy's chart info : ->
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 14:59:35 GMT

> 
> Solar arc movement is a form of progressions.  Take all the planets and
> move them one degree for every year of life, then compare to the natal
> placements.  The method works until the person is 20-30 yrs old, then
> calculations should be made as summer babies are astrologically younger
> than others.  

Carol,

Planets and points are DIRECTED by the Solar Arc NOT one degree for every 
year of life. Even for a 20 years old, the degree for a year technic,
gives you a significant mistake 
because the orbs used in aspect calculation are only one degree 
applying and separating. Much easier and accurate to calculate the exact
Solar Arc for the year in question and add that sum equally to all natal
planets and points. As you probably know neither is the progressed chart
calculated one degree for a year for the Sun rarely transits at exactly 
the rate of 60' per 24 hours.

I agree with you that directed charts are important. Any thing important
in the progressed chart will also appear in the directed chart (and for
that matters also in transits). Progressed and directed charts should not
however be compared for they share nothing in common (except the Solar 
Arc). They are two very different ways to move the chart forward.

Regards, Roy
From: banghartr@clvax1.cl.msu.edu (Rick Banghart, IPTV)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: May you live in interesting times.....
Date: 8 Jan 93 17:50:41 GMT
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In article <Jon.6.726427060@newsbase.cs.yale.edu>, Jon@newsbase.cs.yale.edu (Jon Rifkin) writes...
>>    An interesting question is however, why has the earth itself never been
>>a part of the astrological equation? I mean, if we're talking about influence
>>most certainly the earth is going to have the most impact(being the closest).
> 
>The earth IS part of the equation.  Its position relative to the birth
>place determines the houses.

Not only that, the Earth is present implicitly as the Sun.  That
is, the Earth is always opposite the Sun.

Rick
From: venugopa@constance.rutgers.edu (Sesh Venugopal)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: interpretation
Keywords: uranus/neptune conjunct
Date: 6 Jan 93 04:43:14 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

I have Mercury at 18.09 Capricorn in the fifth house in my natal chart.
Also, Saturn and Moon at 19 Aquarius in the 6th house. Could anyone please
interpret this in the light of the Uranus/Neptune conjunction in Cap at
around 19 degrees and also SAturn in Aquarius at around 19 degress at the
same time?

I feel completely woozy and extremely stressed out!! Thanks for any help.

--Sesh
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From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: May you live in interesting times.....
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 6 Jan 1993 17:37:56 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan06.105516.2939@uumeme.chi.il.us>,
sfoley@uumeme.chi.il.us (Sean M. Foley) wrote:
> 
>     What reasons do you have to believe that planets are the sole influence of
> everything that be?
I don't believe I made that statement in the original post.  Are you asking
me or anyone on the list?

 What is the purpose of life if its ALL predestined and 
> predicitable? I'm not a born and bred astrologer, but I certainly have at 
> least an elementary knowledge of the subject. I'm not suggesting however that
> astrology is false, or incorrect.. But, more that how can any one system have
> all the answers?  
In my view, the purpose of life is to try to understand enough to enrich my
time here; astrology has provided many answers for me.


>     An interesting question is however, why has the earth itself never been
> a part of the astrological equation? 

Many astrologers study the subject from the heliocentric point of view.

Regards, Carol
From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Amy's chart info :->
Date: 7 Jan 1993 22:32:29 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Hi Carol, 

As always am enjoying your posts and learning.  Don't know about 
anyone else but I just saw the blurb about Amy's victum and her
husband being on Donohue's show.  I don't watch much T.V. and
don't like those talk shows.  I hope someone else watched it.

Regards,
Linda
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: bill@psych.toronto.edu (Bill Pusztai)
Subject: Queen Mother's birth data?
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:21:53 GMT


 
Anyone know any of the Queen Mother's birth data?
 
 
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From: agray@axion.bt.co.uk (Andy Gray)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Queen Mother's birth data?
Date: 12 Jan 93 09:56:59 GMT
Organization: BT Laboratories

I have the 4th August 1900 at 11.31, coordinates 3W13 55N57

Andy Gray
From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Chart
Date: 6 Jan 1993 12:18:42 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Would someone be so kind as to set up a sideral chart for me and 
either post it or send E-Mail? That is all I need.  I would really
appreciate it.  Birth data follows: 6/28/92, 4:44PM, Lat. 41N30
Long. 81W43.

This little one is really special.

Thanks, 
Linda
From: MU.SXO@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sherry Oppenheim)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: chart
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:50:58 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Diane, Cathy, Margot:

Thanks for the flowers.  They got here after 5:00 so I figured that
this would be as good as any way to thank you.  They are really
pretty.  Talk to you soon.

Sherry
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: aa338@yfn.ysu.edu (Kyra Allen)
Subject: Do you DO charts?
Organization: Youngstown State University/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:01:00 GMT


 I would be interested in having a chart done...anybody do them?


-- 
                                        ...]<yra
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 REALLY insult him, then slay him...it's the 90's thing!
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: May you live in interesting times.....
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 6 Jan 1993 14:09:27 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
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In article <Carole-050193093509@cis_staff-kntx33.cis.brown.edu>,
Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan) wrote:

> This week!!!  The full moon in Can/Cap, will contend with the buildup of
> steam from oppositions of Mars to the Ur/Nep, oppo of Moon, Sun conj.
> Ur/Nep. and Mercury holding up the rear to bring us the messages after the
> full moon. Valliers periods of greatest instability are from 1/5 to 1/8.

Adding a bit more to my own post - hello out there - where is everyone?

This week is shaping up to be quite potent - what happens this week is
followed by a lot of messages the week of the 11th - look at the Mercury
aspects that will be made.  

Last night was the last night of our regulaf Uranian class.  We looked at
event charts using the 360 and 90 degree dial, using the TNP's.  Our
teacher Gary Christen appears to be using traditional Uranian methods (is
that a contradiction in terms?) to demonstrate the speed analysis.  We
worked backwards in the sense of picking out what was important in the
chart to see if our analysis coincided with the event.  The two cases we
examined worked quite well.  

The amount of information I received through this course is overwhelming
and I will spend quite a bit of time sorting through it and practising. 

When I look back over the years since 1989 (my first exposure to the
professional world of astrologers and astrology conferences), I see what a
learning curve I have been on.  The item in my chart that would relate to
this is the fact of secondary progressed Mercury is slowing down to station
and retrograde in a few years.  Also, my solar arc as well as secondary Sun
will conjunct  natal Pluto this month.  I can look at this at bringing my
natal ego needs (Gemini) to a point of power and obsession. (my family
would roll their eyes and say 'you've got that right' :-)

To finish up with the potentcy of this week - there was to be one more
bonus class next week and Gary asked if we could skip one week - next week
was a good week to avoid.   

I hope most of you have an aspect calendar.  Look at the lineups - see the
many many days that have numerous aspects.  Not just to the Moon -
planetary lineups.

The Mars station point is coming up.  Will be direct at 8 Cancer on 2/15/93
- we all should know by now that the Ur/Nep conj. is 2/2/93 and the Mars is
teasing this conj. with the oppositions.  

Full warp ahead Scottie!!!!!   

Regards, Carol
From: tito@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tito Domine)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re - Incarceration
Date: 9 Jan 1993 01:38:38 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
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In article <Carole-080193124234@cis_staff-kntx33.cis.brown.edu> Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan) writes:

>I haven't studied incarceration charts.  However I will venture to say
>this:  Amy's ruler of the 12th is Neptune which is in the 8th house. 
>Neptune is square to her natal Sun and she has demonstrated the lower side
>of this square.  It is a disassociate square (out of sign) possibly not
>manifesting to the fullest (she may get off easy).  Plus if she is
>imprisoned, her solar arc directed Venus will come to her natal Sun in
>about 2 yrs - usually a beneficial alignment on the apprach and during the
>hit.
>
>Regards, Carol
>
>Anyone know her current status? 

	If my memory serves me right, I believe that ALan Leo once wrote that
an afflicted Sun (for a man) in the 12th is indicative of imprisonment.
Whether he will eventually go free can also be judged from the strength of
the whole chart.

	Just an addition ....

Tito
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: a stupid question, maybe
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 12 Jan 93 02:02:44 GMT

This may be a dumb question from someone who's not into astrology, but
historically speaking . . .

How in heaven's name did discoveries of different planets affect how
people did this stuff?  Since we didn't know about anything past Saturn
until recently, does this mean that old astrologers' charts and stuff
are off?  How can you tell?

Does this mean that all the old stuff is wrong, or that the old charts
predicted the wrong stuff?  I mean, you can't just add new planets to a
reading; I get the idea that the whole reading stands on its own and you
can't just add bits to it without affecting the other stuff, too.  How,
then can you present what you now do if, in twenty years, a new planet
might be discovered that could kick all the charts and readings off
kilter?

I should add that I'm not out to "disprove" astrology.  No, I don't
think it really works.  But, it's more of a spiritual thing anyway, and
if people like it, well, the major religions haven't exactly done their
best to make people feel intimately connected with the universe, so
astrology seems to fit the bill.  Besides, I've met a few nice
astrologers.  I've met a few crackpots, too, but . . . dem's the
breaks. 

Anyway, what sort of uproar was caused in the astrological world when
new planets were discovered, and how was this resolved?  Sorry if this
is a complicated question from a newbie; if it's too much, a reference
is okay, but I'd appreciate some kind of abbreviated rundown.

Thanks,
Janis C.
From: cg482@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Paquette)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re:Chart
Date: 6 Jan 1993 12:51:47 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu


Sorry, moon void of course has my brain scrambled.  Along with
the chart for 6/28/92 I need planet placements.

Thanks ever so much,
Linda
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: bas@chem.wayne.edu
Subject: Macintosh Astrology Programs
Organization: Wayne State University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 17:30:58 GMT

My wife is interested in astrology and would like to know if any PD/SW
Macintosh programs are available. Is there a FAQ file or posting for this
group?
Please E-mail and I'll summarize for the group.

Barry Schoenfelner                           Internet: bas@chem.wayne.edu
From: gautam@vax2.concordia.ca (MUNDKUR, GAUTAM)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: RECTIFICATION
Keywords: Chart Rectification
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:40:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

I was trying to understand what rectification means. I started reading it 
because I doubted the time given by one of my good friends, whose asc falls
in 3Cap30 but I have a strong feeling that she doesn't have any of the Capricorn
traits. But Sag matches her perfectly.

As I understand, rectification is basically going backwards, knowing events in a
person's life, to cast the chart for the rectified time. 

Can anyone help me in trying to do this??? I am not an expert and obviously
this is out of bounds.

I will appreciate anyone willing to do this for me....

Thanks

gautam
From: tito@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tito Domine)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re - Cerebral Palsy
Date: 10 Jan 1993 04:59:34 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
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>	Interesting.  My son has his Sun in the 12th house and is imprisoned
>in his own body by Cerebral Palsy.  The Sun is squared by Uranus (nervous
>system) and also happens to be the chart ruler (Leo rising).
>
>Sandy
>-- 

	I would surmise that the afflictions in this chart to the ruler of
of the first (Sun) or to Mercury or any such similar combinations are more
numerous than just one to produce such a condition. I theorise that only
one affliction alone to be not sufficient. 

	Are there any other squares or oppositions in the chart ?

Tito


Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: sfoley@uumeme.chi.il.us (Sean M. Foley)
Subject: Re: May you live in interesting times.....
Organization: UUMEME Public Access Xenix
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 93 14:19:39 GMT

In article <Carole-060193123355@cis_staff-kntx33.cis.brown.edu> Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan) writes:
>In article <1993Jan06.105516.2939@uumeme.chi.il.us>,
>sfoley@uumeme.chi.il.us (Sean M. Foley) wrote:
>> 
>>     What reasons do you have to believe that planets are the sole influence of
>> everything that be?
>I don't believe I made that statement in the original post.  Are you asking
>me or anyone on the list?
  No, of course not only you, I was hoping to spark more opinion to get
a broth of astrological input; any one person would be very incapable of
a broad subjective scope.

>> What is the purpose of life if its ALL predestined and 
>> predicitable? I'm not a born and bred astrologer, but I certainly have at 
>> least an elementary knowledge of the subject. I'm not suggesting however that
>> astrology is false, or incorrect.. But, more that how can any one system have
>> all the answers?  
>In my view, the purpose of life is to try to understand enough to enrich my
>time here; astrology has provided many answers for me.
   I didn't deny it could provide information that would help you become more
introspective about yourself, there are many methods to doing that..
 (Tarot cards, Astrology, Self-Psychology, list going infinitly.)
   
   I was trying to get to the "baseline" if you will in regards to the 
qualities which astrology is more appropriate for.(e.g. self-analysis, 
influence mapping, etc).

>>     An interesting question is however, why has the earth itself never been
>> a part of the astrological equation? 
>
>Many astrologers study the subject from the heliocentric point of view.
  
  Interesting, not something that I was familiar with at all. References
could help.(thank you very much for keeping me out of cluelessness on this
aspect as well)

-Sean.
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From: dyurman@igc.apc.org (Dan Yurman)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: May you live in interesting times..
Date: 6 Jan 93 23:52:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #R:Carole-050193093509@cis_staff-kn:-932785250:cdp:1530700003:000:115
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dyurman    Jan  6 15:52:00 1993


Mars /R in Cancer 2nd opposition Uranus conj Neptune 8th.
Result - company cancelled pay raises for this year!
Dan
From: Carole@brownvm (Carolyn Egan)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Amy's chart info :->
Followup-To: alt.astrology
Date: 8 Jan 1993 17:44:38 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
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In article <1ik42tINN82i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(Sandra Rozhon) wrote:
>  
> Just wondering if you or any of the other astrologers on this list happen to
> know if the birth chart can show that a person will be incarcerated at some
> point in their life?  Or is this only seen via a progressed or solar arc
> chart?
Hi Sandy,
I haven't studied incarceration charts.  However I will venture to say
this:  Amy's ruler of the 12th is Neptune which is in the 8th house. 
Neptune is square to her natal Sun and she has demonstrated the lower side
of this square.  It is a disassociate square (out of sign) possibly not
manifesting to the fullest (she may get off easy).  Plus if she is
imprisoned, her solar arc directed Venus will come to her natal Sun in
about 2 yrs - usually a beneficial alignment on the apprach and during the
hit.

Regards, Carol

Anyone know her current status? 
From: stevek@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Steve Kauder)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 19:16:46 GMT
Subject: Re: May you live in interesting times.....
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: alt.astrology

>In alt.astrology, sfoley@uumeme.chi.il.us (Sean M. Foley) writes:

>  What reasons do you have to believe that planets are the sole influence of
>  everything that be? What is the purpose of life if its ALL predestined and 
>  predicitable? I'm not a born and bred astrologer, but I certainly have at 
>  least an elementary knowledge of the subject. I'm not suggesting however that
>  astrology is false, or incorrect.. But, more that how can any one system have
>  all the answers? 

<<other stuff deleted>>

I'd like the avoid the daily flame wars which this newsgroup evokes.  

Having said that:  Look at the first sentence above.  I do not claim 
(and have not claimed in 20 years of astrology) that planets are the 
"sole influence of everything that be."  I simply find planetary movements 
to be one of the (best) maps about what is coming.

It's not really different than looking at the weather forecast in the
newspaper:  Based on someone's long experience and expertise, they have
looked at weather patterns today and can make a prediction for tomorrow's
weather.  This generally proves accurate -- though not enough to let me
fully trust my plans for today to the newspaper weather forecast.

Medical forecasts are the same:  A learned doctor will tell you that
some bruise or growth will likely follow some course of action (unless
the doctor takes some action, of course).  Based on the doctor's action,
another likely course will ensue.

Planetary movements are the same:  They forecast coming events.  I am
always happy to have accurate information instead of blindly assuming
there is no way to look at future trends.  There is always free will.  

Forewarned is forearmed.

sk

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Newsgroups: alt.astrology
From: roy@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
Subject: Re: May you live in interesting times.....
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:29:46 GMT

Xavier> To actually see astrology work you have to
Xavier> use the astrological paradign.

Amen!

One can not evaluate or test a paradigm on the bases of another totally
different paradigm. Though advocates of the positivistic (call it logical
empiricism if it pleases you) paradigm are arrogant enough to judge (or test)
everything (the entire spectrum of existence) on the grounds of their
subjective world view. In order to really know a paradigm you got to get into
it and know it from inside, not by testing it according to your preconceived
prejudices.  

Regards, Roy
From: wal@fagot.turbo.nsk.su (Vladimir Lebedev)
Subject: Astrology. What does it mean?
Organization: Turbo Service
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:05:02 GMT

  'I know that astrology isn't a science' said Gail. 'Of course
it isn't. It's just an arbitrary set of rules like chess or tennis or,
what's the strange thing you British play?'
  'Er, cricket? Self-loathing?'
  'Parliamentary democracy. The rules just kind of got there.
They don't make any kind of sense except in terms of them-
selves. But when you start to exercise those rules, all sorts of
processes start to happen and you start to find out all sorts of
stuff about people. In astrology the rules happen to be about
stars and planets, but they could be about ducks and drakes for all
difference it would make. It's just a way thinking about a problem
which lets the shape of that problem begin emerge. The more
rules, the tinier the rules, the more arbitrary they are,
the better. It's like throwing a handful of fine graphite dust on a
piece of paper to see where the hidden indentations are. It lets
you see the words that were written on the piece of the paper above
it that's now been taken away and hidden. The graphite's not
important. It's just the means of revealing their indentations. So
you see, astrology's nothing to do with astronomy. It's just to do
with people thinking about people...

	       Douglas Adams
	       "Mostly Harmless"
	       (c) Serious Productions Limited 1992
From: aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon)
Newsgroups: alt.astrology
Subject: Re: Re - Incarceration
Date: 9 Jan 1993 18:48:22 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: aa581@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Rozhon)
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In a previous article, tito@ocf.berkeley.edu (Tito Domine) says:

>
>	If my memory serves me right, I believe that ALan Leo once wrote that
>an afflicted Sun (for a man) in the 12th is indicative of imprisonment.
>Whether he will eventually go free can also be judged from the strength of
>the whole chart.
>


	Interesting.  My son has his Sun in the 12th house and is imprisoned
in his own body by Cerebral Palsy.  The Sun is squared by Uranus (nervous
system) and also happens to be the chart ruler (Leo rising).

Sandy
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