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From: s892024@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Richard A. Muirden [GA])
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: STTNG: Evolution
Date: 13 Nov 92 07:57:25 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
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voros@physics.monash.edu.au (Joe Voros) writes:

>andrew@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Andrew Moore) writes:
>> 
>> Wow a resonable plot, Wesley was not too much of a dork (well okay, a
>> little dorkey,, but what the heh :-) )

>I thought Wesley was to vanish in season three.  Oh well.  

Nope, he leaves in Season 4 "Final Mission" we've still got to put up
with him for another season and a half :)


>I wonder if Wesley is going to get an "A" for his project which just
>*happens* to have created an entirely new civilisation of intelligent
>beings which seem to be the first example of fully-fledged Von Neumann
>machines. Nah!  Sloppy experimental technique, B+  :)

:) :) :) :) :)

I thought it was a bit much for data to start communicating so damn soon!

but what the heck, that's what you get with tv plots...

B+? nah just a B! he'd get a B+ if he wasn't such a dork :)


>I found the last bit about Wesley and "that girl" being observed by his
>mother very funny.

I thought it was a totally useless "add on" but it was funny I guess...
it just reeked too much of those US sitcoms somehow bev saying "what
do you know about this girl?"

course Picard's reaction to bev when she said "has he been in *love* ?"
was great! I can't say that he'd be wise to tell bev about that shape
changing girl (The Dauphin) otherwise she'd freak :)


>-- 
>Joe Voros
>Department of Physics, Monash University, Clayton, VIC, 3168, Australia.
>voros@physics.monash.edu.au
>Quantum Mechanics is God's way of telling you to mind your P_i's and Q_j's.

-richard

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From: s890412@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Christopher John Diffey)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: ST:TNG Shades of Grey [spoilers (maybe)]
Date: 6 Nov 1992 03:00:21 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
Distribution: aus
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Well it certainly is coming to the ned of season two with the 
obligatory "flashback" episode... WHAT WAS THE POINT?
other than the fact that there some scenes that I don't remember
(where's that episode guide) this had to be one of the worst episodes I
can remember...
- Riker gets savaged and O'brian gets a bio warning on the transporter...
  Why do they assume it is his cut that introduced the bios, it could be
  in the atmosphere or many other possibilties,they don't check Geordi
  to find out, but instead send some one else into possible danger ie
  doctor pulaski and why couldn't they transport him into some sort of
  isolation unit.
- The doctor defines the microbe as " not a virus or a bacteria but having
  elemnts of both " is it just me or does this sound particularly contagious
  again why njot an isolation unit although you may say that the doctor ruled
  out contagion on the planet... placing herself at possible risk in the first
  place.
- The probes she places in (or possibly on) his head ( Iassume in, because of
  Troi's reaction and the mark left after they are removed) why isn't he
  immobilised? any fit or movement would certainly scramble his gray matter
- " the negative endorphins retard it's growth " (paraphrased) so why not 
  give riker a shot of appropriate endophins? its the 24th century and they 
  don't know how to make them? we know at least some endophin structures now.

 any way enough wingeing for now. I s'pose I should be happy that SF makes it
 to aus tv at all.......

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From: hoahosth@halls1.cc.monash.edu.au (ANDREA HOSTH)
Subject: TNG - Shades of Gray
Organization: Halls of Residence, Monash University 
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 08:10:13 GMT

TNG - Shades of Gray - The Star Trek you have when you're not having a Star 
Trek. 
	Everyone has adequately expressed my opinion of this episode in 
previous postings - especially the bit about the leg - I couldn't believe 
that they didn't just chop it off, but then, something injected through a 
cut would have spread through the bloodstream - there wouldn't have been 
this "spreading slowly up the leg" rubbish. 
	Recent episodes of TNG in the US have apparently been very good, so 
I guess we can only wait.

Ankh
From: pjordan@rp.CSIRO.AU (Patrick Jordan)
Subject: Re: Twilight Zone
Keywords: Back on
Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics, NSW, Australia
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 08:08:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.015429.24202@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, rez@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Anestis Kozakis <Rez>) writes:
> For those Twilight Zone lovers out there, Channel 9 is showing them
> (this week anyway) at 4:30 am Monday morning. Obviously must be the
> colour versions.
> Just letting you people know.
> Rez.

In case anyones interested:

The good old Twilight Zone episodes are shown every second Saturday and
Tuesday at the Encore Cinema near Central in Sydney. They usually do 5 or 
6 episodes at a time. 
-- 

Be seeing you!

Patrick.

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From: miku@ee.su.oz.au (Michael Usher)
Subject: Re: Sydney's SF Film Fest
Organization: Electrical Engineering, Sydney University, Australia
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 06:00:58 GMT

In article <brent.721023296@coffeeshop> brent@socs.uts.edu.au writes:
>
>Catch a bus from Central (or just walk).
>

In fact any government bus (notable for the tasteful advertising) numbered
in the low 430s (ie. 431, 432, 433 I think).  Don't catch a 436 or 438 - you
won't like where they go.

>!!
>

Indeed.

>Glebe, despite its faults, is still one of the more interesting suburbs
>of Sydney. It has the Val, Gleebooks, Lolita's and the odd decent restaurant.
				^^^^ in fact two of them...
>Wentworth Park in Glebe is a good place to play soccer. The poeple are often
					     ^^ amongst other things...
>fun to watch. You can even get airborne driving along Bridge Road over Glebe 
>Point Road.
>

And have one's entire exhaust pipe decide to break off at the engine
while heading south on said Bridge Road, just after returning from Qld.
Fun.

>I'd like to know what you think are interesting suburbs. 
>

The places one actually prefers to stay out of one's house.  (Unlike the
Albion street end of Annandale.)

Michael.
From: rcgaym@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Angus Y. Montgomery)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: ST:TNG Shades of Grey [spoilers (maybe)]
Date: 6 Nov 1992 06:08:17 GMT
Organization: RMIT Computer Centre
Distribution: aus
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s890412@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (Christopher John Diffey) writes:
 
>Well it certainly is coming to the ned of season two with the 
>obligatory "flashback" episode... WHAT WAS THE POINT?
>other than the fact that there some scenes that I don't remember
>(where's that episode guide) this had to be one of the worst episodes I
>can remember...

 [ a lot of praise for the plot solidity ]

i just wondered why they didn't chop his leg off and have done with it
when the unknown life threatening infection started up his leg.
instead, the wise doctor chooses to endanger his brain rather than damaging
a body that (presumably) could be repaired using known technology.

and the dialogue! the breast-heaving emotionalism by the sick-bed!
the fact that the doctor had no idea what to do and hopelessly vaccilated
until prompted by an emotional onlooker with some suggestions that made
vague sense.

bwaaaa!

this is the 2.5th st:tng episode i've watched.
one of them was actually worth it (a fairly recent one involving the
giger-esque borgs and q). a few nice comments on hubris.

 . a n g u s .

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From: bsmith@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Brian Smith)
Subject: ST:TNG - Shades of Grey
Summary: woeful
Keywords: pathetic
Organization: Monash University, Caulfield Campus
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 00:13:32 GMT

BLEEEAHHHHHHGGGHGHGHGHGHG !

I have never seen a more pathetic attempt to set up a "flashback" episode.
I had hoped TNG would be above this sort of soapie idea.  Imagine if they did
one for every character. Bore factor 10, methinks.  What an incredible        
coincidence that the Docter stimulated the parts of Riker's brain that brought
forth memories that were in past episodes !  How embarrassing if they actually
had to shoot new footage, thereby demonstrating that Riker had a life and felt
emotions before boarding the Enterprise.
Mariana Sirtis' feeble whineing didn't help either: "Hang on Wil !" *reaches
for Barf-O-Bag.*

I usually like TNG, but only when it's not turned into an interplanetary soapie.
(ET Street, as someone described it.)  Last night was so soapie you could've 
washed in it.

Roll on the next series !
 

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From: kat@werple.apana.org.au (Kathryn Andersen)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: ST:TNG Peak Performance (was Re: ST:TNG - Shades of Grey)
Date: 6 Nov 1992 17:34:50 +1100
Organization: werple public-access unix, Melbourne
Distribution: aus
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Keywords: pathetic

robert@cs.anu.edu.au (Robert Cohen) writes:
>How about the last eposide with combat simulation, "Peak Performance"
>or some such. Having introduced the idea of putting images on
>the Enterprises screens due to knowing the security codes, precisely
>what was the justification for being able to do the same with the
>Ferenegi ship, Hmmmn?
But they *didn't*!
The ship Riker was on turned around and the Ferengi thought it was
reinforcements.  At least that was what I thought when I saw it, it
never occurred to me to think that Worf messed with the Ferengi
security codes, because I knew that was impossible.

As for Channel 9 showing season 3, aren't there a few earlier episodes
that they haven't shown yet?  Maybe they will show them next?

Kathryn Andersen
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From: u2104805@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Evolution
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:21:28 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

One thing which I did notice in last nights episode, was that all of
a sudden it was over.
The "nano" creatures started to communicate, and they were transported to
a planet to start a colony, the E was fixed, and the experiment was a success.
I think that happened in the last 5-8 minutes of the episode.

But I really did like the new intro, with all those new space shots, and
the uniforms.
I hope they keep up the good work.
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From: martin@zen.maths.uts.edu.au (Martin Caden)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: ST:TNG Shades of Grey [spoilers (maybe)]
Date: 6 Nov 92 06:07:55 GMT
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Distribution: aus
NNTP-Posting-Host: zen.maths.uts.edu.au

I hated it too  (ahhh, I feel better now).

Did anyone else think  "Amputate! Quickly!" ?

If they can replace Picard's heart and have him back aboard the Enterprise and
apparantly fully fit within a couple of days then they could probably grow a
new leg for Riker in minutes :-).  It's pretty silly to let him lying on the
table (bed?) with an infected leg and say things like  "If we can't kill this
infection it will spread to his brain and kill him" when any 18th centuary
butcher could have saved his life with a hacksaw.

There's nothing worse than the old flashback episodes - not even Detroit.

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From: brian@coombs.anu.edu.au (Brian)
Newsgroups: aus.sf,rec.arts.drwho
Subject: Is it true?
Date: 12 Nov 92 02:06:22 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2

	I have just heard a rumour that the two year interregnum of production
for Dr.Who has in fact turned into a cancellation for the show with the BBC.

	My question is, is this true, will Dr.Who be made no more?

	Please reply with email as I don't often bother reading these newsgropes.


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From: rez@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Anestis Kozakis <Rez>)
Subject: Re: ST:TNG - Shades of Grey
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Distribution: aus
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 00:31:19 GMT

In <1992Nov11.080033.471@hhcs.gov.au> pihlab@hhcs.gov.au writes:
>> It struck me as a bit of a pathetic attempt at suspense drama.  I think
>> the main reason this didn't work was because you didn't really care
>> whether Riker lived or died...
>Also, we know he lives through at least 3 more series so where's the
>suspense.
Well, at the time it was showing in america, they had the suspense since
no-one knew what was going to happen next week...

>I think they were simply trying to save money by using lots of existing
>footage.
Doesn't anyone read my posts??? *sigh* :-)
During season 2, TNG was plagued by writers strikes, which meant lots of
crappy plots, including "Shades Of Grey". Season three (apparently)
picks up and is much better than season two.

>Bruce...        pihlab@hhcs.gov.au
Rez.
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From: chrisf@nms.otca.oz.au (Christopher Fraser)
Newsgroups: aus.sf,aus.films,aus.culture.ultimo
Subject: Re: Sydney's SF Film Fest
Date: 9 Nov 92 07:35:32 GMT
Distribution: aus

brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis) writes:

> >Glebe is one of Sydney's less interesting suburbs: 

> !!

> Glebe, despite its faults, is still one of the more interesting suburbs
> of Sydney. It has the Val, Gleebooks, Lolita's and the odd decent restaurant.
> Wentworth Park in Glebe is a good place to play soccer. The poeple are often
> fun to watch. You can even get airborne driving along Bridge Road over Glebe 
> Point Road.

Yes -- and it has a very nice park up the end near Victoria Street.

> I'd like to know what you think are interesting suburbs. 

Waterloo, whilst not particularly glamorous or blessed with nice cafe's or
restraunts, does have a number of quite frolickable parks with large knarly
trees in them. 

Cheers,
--
Christopher Fraser      "Glebe is like Annandale with Audience Participation"
chrisf@nms.otca.oz.au    (why *does* nn inist on calling me C Fraser?)
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Subject: Electric Guitar (With Acc.) for sale (Melbourne)
Organization: Electrical and Electronic - University of Melbourne 
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From: Lee.Nye@f364.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Lee Nye)
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: ST-TNG Shades of Grey
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 14:19:01 +1100

    I have to agree. Definatly the episode to have when you're not having an
 episode. What made it worse was some of the flashbacks were from first season
 episodes that were never shown here (well Melbourne at least).
    Apart from the obvious solution being to chop off his leg there seems to
 be another way they could have gotten the virus out of Rikers system.
    In UNnatural Selection, Dr Pulaski is infected with a virus that bonds
 with her (or rather alters her) DNA.  The solution (after 20 mins of wasted
 screen time) was to send here thorough the transporter and use a copy of her
 DNA as a template, thus screening out anything that shouldn't have been
there.
 
    WHY COULDN"T THEY DO THAT FOR RIKER????
    They would have a copy of his DNA in the transporter computer. It's not as
 though he doesn't use it regularly.

    Apart from that it was mildly interesting to see the characters again as
 they were during the first season. It's surprising how much some of them have
 changed.
    Overall the rating for this episode would have to be WHY BOTHER?

    Hopefully we will get the third season now. There's no episode title for
 this weeks episode in the Green Guide, but there's also no Repeat symbol (not
 that that means much for and 11:00pm show)

Lee.


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From: brent@socs.uts.edu.au (Disco Inferno Curtis)
Subject: Re: Sydney's SF Film Fest
Reply-To: brent@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Distribution: aus
Date:  6 Nov 92 04:14:56 GMT

(Leroy) writes:

 >(Delroy Hartley) writes:
 >
 >>As someone who will be visiting Sydney at this time....Where is this place??
 >
 >The Valhalla is located in pleasant, somewhat sunny Glebe Point Road, Glebe.

Catch a bus from Central (or just walk).

 >Glebe is one of Sydney's less interesting suburbs: 

!!

Glebe, despite its faults, is still one of the more interesting suburbs
of Sydney. It has the Val, Gleebooks, Lolita's and the odd decent restaurant.
Wentworth Park in Glebe is a good place to play soccer. The poeple are often
fun to watch. You can even get airborne driving along Bridge Road over Glebe 
Point Road.

I'd like to know what you think are interesting suburbs. 

             Brent.

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From: arock@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au (Andrew Rock)
Subject: Re: STTNG: Evolution
Keywords: Yah !
Organization: Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 03:41:40 GMT

andrew@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Andrew Moore) writes:

>Wow a resonable plot, Wesley was not too much of a dork (well okay, a
>little dorkey,, but what the heh :-) )

Yes a good plot, but a familiar one. Anyone ever read "Dragon's Egg"
by Robert L. Forward? I haven't but a friend once reccommended it
to me and described the plot: A ship approaches a neutron star
on which a life form evolves out of the neutron star stuff. Their
accelerated time perception has them evolving so fast that by
the time the ship gets close to the star the inhabitants are
sufficiently technologically advanced to solve a problem for
the ships crew that the crew were not even aware of yet.

So did anyone see in the titles or the credits any acknowlegement
of Forward's novel? 

Were the references to the experimental probe as the "Egg" thrown
in as a reference to keep pedants like me happy without directly
crediting Forward?

I'm sure I've recognized other plot rip-offs - do they ever say
what stories STNG episodes are based on? Maybe they do, I've just
missed it.

Rock.
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From: Tobomory.Womble@f382.n634.z3.fidonet.org (Tobomory Womble)
Sender: acsnet@csource.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: Words To Red Dwarf So
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 12:37:04

 Once upon a time Peter Gray said to All ...
 
 PG> Has anybody got a copy of the words to the red dwarf song??

Evnenign..

The Words (as they exist on the last page of my diary)...

It's Cold outside, there's no kind of atmosphere.
I'm all alone, more or less.
Let me fly far away from here.
Fun Fun Fun in the Sun Sun Sun..

I want to Lie, shiprecked and comatosed.
Sipping fres mango juice.
goldfish shoals nibling at my toes.
Fun Fun Fun in the Sun Sun Sun..
Fun Fun Fun in the Sun Sun Sun..

Ok. thats it.. These words were taken from some amerian thing.. I can't
rember where I got it, but they seem right to me..

caio..

            -=Tobomory Womble=-

(I know I should use a real name.. but I don't have one)



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From: pihlab@hhcs.gov.au
Newsgroups: aus.sf
Subject: Re: ST:TNG - Shades of Grey
Date: 11 Nov 92 08:00:33 +1100
Distribution: aus
Organization: Aust. Dept. Health, Housing and Community Services

> It struck me as a bit of a pathetic attempt at suspense drama.  I think
> the main reason this didn't work was because you didn't really care
> whether Riker lived or died...

Also, we know he lives through at least 3 more series so where's the
suspense.

I think they were simply trying to save money by using lots of existing
footage.

Bruce...        pihlab@hhcs.gov.au
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