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From: newton@convex.com (Vicki Newton)
Subject: YOW! medela lactina solved my problems!
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:35:57 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

for any of you who remember me, i wrote a few weeks back about
how my letdown was letting me down.  i have returned to work and
there are 2 feedings a day when my little girl isn't breast feeding
and i want to try and keep her solely on breast milk for a while 
(she is 3 1/2 months now).  i was using a gerber precious care
electric pump and was frustrated at how much time i had to invest
to get the teeniest bit of milk.  well, i took the advice of many
of you and contacted my local lactation consultant and have rented
a medela lactina (just this morning).  now, maybe i am jumping the
gun here but i just used it for the first time and YOW.  i think
this is going to be a really good thing!  4 oz in 10 minutes!

thanks so much for all your kind thoughts and suggestions.

veek
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch)
Subject: Re: At what age is day care appropriate?
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:15:14 GMT

One thing missing from this whole discussion is a little bit of description
of the characteristics of "highest quality" daycare versus the characteristics
of "average" daycare.  It seems to me that Belsky's two studies support the
attitude that "daycare" is neither inherently "good" nor inherently "bad".  So,
what kind of daycare has positive effects on children?  What are the features
lakcing in "average" daycare that has a "bad" effect on kids?  How can anyone
continue in a discussion where none of the basic terms are defined?  What can
parents who can't afford "highest quality" daycare do to offset the effects,
short of pulling their kids out?

Just another parent who reassesses the family budget almost weekly )-;

-- 
Maureen Busch				|Are you out there sally?  How 'bout
Internet: mbb@keps.kodak.com		|you, Ken??  Hi to the kids!
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DISCLAIMER:  The opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: michelle@waldron.Stanford.EDU (Michelle Kalehzan)
Subject: Re: Auto Accident -- Child Dies
Keywords: kids, accidents
Organization: Psychology Dept, Stanford Univ.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 19:53:06 GMT

Speaking of accidents....Last Sunday we were on a picnic at a very nice
local park in Cupertino, CA, when we were the *only* witnesses to a 2 or 3
year old little girl falling into a pond.  Earlier I had noticed that this
little girl and her twin sister were running around with apparently no
parental/adult supervision.  What a shock it was when she fell into the
pond--into water over her head--went down two times and was sinking, when
my husband jumped in and pulled her out.  The little girl was shaking and
freezing and almost unable to speak.  I took her by the hand and started
looking for her mother.  Finally, we found her sitting on the grass *far*
from the site of the near drowning.  She just laughed and said, "What
happened?!".  My husband wanted to really yell at her.  It was very
sickening.  I fear for this child.  So, moral is: parents! (me included!)
watch your kids!  They could be lost in a second.  This child would have
*definitely* drowned if we hadn't seen her fall in.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: julie@kela.soest.hawaii.edu (Julie Jirikowic)
Subject: Re: Cute things they say (2 years old)
Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:48:43 GMT


Although Sarah is slowing down on the temper tantrums, she is still
very much in her twos.  Last week, when walking to the babysitters, she
was yelling NO for no apparent reason.  I said "no" back to her at which
point she looked at me very offended and said very seriously "that's
MY no"

Sort of the ultimate two-year old comment ... sigh.
From: holly@tz.wimsey.bc.ca (Wendy Woodcock)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Pregnant for my wedding - need advice!
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 09:50:26 PDT
Organization: Somewhere in The Twilight Zone, Vancouver, B.C

My fiance and I have been planning our wedding for almost a year now, and it 
is scheduled for August 15th.  It is to be a fairly elegant affair, with a 
sit-down meal at an old mansion overlooking a lake, etc...  We have 
relatives flying in from all over Canada and from California and England.  
These people have already booked their tickets.
 
The problem... I just found out yesterday that I am betwen 12 and 15 weeks 
pregnant, meaning I will be about 7 months pregnant at the wedding.  So much 
for the $1000 fitted wedding dress.
 
Abortion is not an answer for us, I am definately pro-choice, and so is he, 
but we already have two children (ages 4 yrs, and 10 mths) and were planning 
for two more (although, not right now!) so this baby is "wanted", just 
inconvenient timing-wise.
 
The advice I need is in regards to the wedding... should we postpone it for 
a year, meaning that guests would have to cancel plane tickets, and we would 
lose deposits on many things we have already booked, but by next August I 
would be able to wear the dress, drink wine with dinner, and be more 
"bridelike", or should we go ahead with the wedding as scheduled?  Would it 
be terribly bad form for me to get married at 7 mths. pregnant?

From: poon@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Vivienne Poon)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:29:24 GMT
Subject: Re: holding a kid back in school
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: funny things they say
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:49:26 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada

In article <9APR199209493005@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov> goldberg@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patti Twigg) writes:
>I couldn't decide if this belonged under funny things or you know you
>are a parent when, you decide. Last night a dinner I gave my son the
>last banana, which was on the mature side. I took it completely
>out of the skin, as is my habit, and if you have ever done this you
>know that at the bottom of the banana there is a little stem like
>thing that sticks into the banana from the peel. In mature bananas
>sometimes part is left behind in the banana. Well, my three year
>old son looked at the bottom of the banana, showed it to me and said
>'look, mom, pooh-pooh'. My six year old almost rolled on the floor
>with laughter. My husband and I thought it was funny too.
>                                   Patti Twigg

At our house, we call this part the banana's belly button, and
my kids refuse to eat it, regardlesss of whether the black part
is in it.

In a related story, (after eating a banana), my 7yo was standing
in front of the sink, holding his placemat, waiting for his dad to
give him the dishcloth to wipe it.  I helpfully suggested that he
should wipe it on the table.  I couldn't understand why he was 
giving me a look of such utter incomprehension--I meant that after
he got the dishcloth that he would find it easier to wipe the
placemat on a flat surface.  He was trying to figure out why 
(and how) I was suggesting that he use the table to clean the 
placemat *with*.

-- 
Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research, 
                Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Opinions, what opinions?  Oh *these* opinions. | It's hard to seize the
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.           | day when you must first
I knew I'd left them somewhere.                | grapple with the morning.

 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: johnnyb@ims.com (Johnny Battle)
Subject: Re: At what age is day care appropriate?
Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc.
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:37:33 GMT

In article <1992Apr03.234858.952904@locus.com>, judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
|> In article <1992Mar26.235444.11402@informix.com> cathl@odin (Catherine Lyman) writes:
|> >           Why do we scorn people who love their children but
|> >feel compelled to continue their interests outside the home?
|> 
|> I am certain that this will generate flames, but it is nonetheless how I 
|> honestly feel about this topic.

      [Well-stated ideas deleted...)

|>   The most important job a person will ever have and the biggest most
|> critical responsibility a person will ever know is the care of the 0-5 YO so
|> that this human being has the requisite basis for a happy, fulfilling life.
|> 
|> So, finances aside, if you cannot take 5 years out of your career and whatever
|> personal satisfaction that gives you to devote to the upbringing of another
|> human being, then, IMO, you should rethink having children.  
 
I agree completely.  It's a tragedy for our entire society, not just for the
children who miss out on that "Mother's at home" feeling of security that can
form the basis for a lifetime of self-confidence and happiness.  There is no
way that a day-care person can love your child as much as you do.  
 
       [More good stuff left out]
|> 
|> >Why do we scorn women who go outside the home for fulfullment,
|> >but we don't feel the same way towards men?
|> 
|> This, I think, is wrong.  Someone in the family needs to work to support the 
|> family.  But they are going outside the home not for fulfillment, but to put
|> food on the table.  There is all the difference in the world.  If they are
|> lucky, they are in a fulfilling job.  But these people would work regardless
|> because the family needs to survive.  It is only tradition that makes this
|> the man's role instead of the woman's.

From a working father, thank you, Judy Leedom Tyrer for saying so well what
many of us feel very strongly.   

******************************************************************************
Johnny Battle                        Hysterical explosions of golden forsythia
******************************************************************************
P.S. These are my own opinions.  I don't speak for my employer.
From: mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Angel of Grease)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,alt.satanism,alt.romance.chat,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Raising Satanic children
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:05:31 GMT
Followup-To: alt.flame
Organization: Eaters of Wisdom
In-reply-to: joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au's message of 8 Apr 92 05:44:57 GMT

In article <joshua.702711897@coombs> joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller) writes:
>   oh suzanne, sorry to have to be the one to point this out to you,
>   but tim was employing *irony* to make a *point*; I know these two
>   concepts (irony and points) are rather beyond your experience, 

I wouldn't say that.  Her head's made of iron, and it has a point.

--

        A woman does NOT like a CLUMSY, FUMBLING man with an ICE PICK.
Mark-Jason Dominus 	  			    mjd@central.cis.upenn.edu 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: carlo@electro.electro.com (Carlo Sgro)
Subject: Re: Placenta Lore
Organization: Electrohome Ltd., Kitchener, ON, Canada
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:35:48 GMT

In article <1992Apr06.131103.22297@afit.af.mil> mgaudrea@afit.af.mil (Michele L.D. Gaudreault) writes:
 >In article <3466@rosie.NeXT.COM> szakhour@next.com (Sharon Zakhour) writes:
 >
 >>said, "Oh yes, you know co-worker X?  He and his wife had a home birth.  They  
 >>then had a ritual where they cooked the placenta, ate some of it and buried the
 >>rest."
 >
 >>What!?  What!??  WHAT!!???!!?
 >
 >Since my husband and I are considering a home birth, I asked "What do we
 >do with the placenta?"  "Well, you could eat it..."
 >
 >I think I'll just bury it.  My roses could use a little help. :)
 >

After we had our home birth, the issue came up of what to do with the placenta.
It's illegal to throw it out with the garbage (at least in Waterloo, Ontario) 
because it's human tissue (or something like that).  The legally correct
way to bury it is in a container 4 or 6 or so feet below the ground.  Our 
midwife said that some people bury it and then plant a special plant over it.
-- 
Carlo Sgro                                Wilma Flintstone for President!
watmath!watcgl!electro!carlo              
carlo@electro.com
System Administrator, Electrohome, Ltd., Kitchener, ON, (519)744-7111 x 7209
From: johnnyb@ims.com (Johnny Battle)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Chickpox in Pregnancy -- Update
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:58:20 GMT
Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc.

In article <1625@ncr-mpd.FtCollins.NCR.COM>, sdavis@nike.ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Susan Davis) writes:

|> Her OB actually had 2 OB patients with chickenpox at the moment even 
|> though it is rare in adults and even rarer in pregnancy.  Her 
|> daughter has not gotten them yet (she is 1 year old today).

In this day of lawsuits, I hesitate to say this, but has it occurred to
your friend that she may have caught the chickenpox from her OB?

***********************************************************************
Johnny Battle                    father of Asa, the Ninja Warrior,
                                 and Gloria Grace of the beautiful face
***********************************************************************
P.S. These are my own opinions.  I don't speak for my employer.
From: lisas@pucc.princeton.edu (Lisa Lewis)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Irish Lullaby
Date: 17 Apr 92 14:51:25 GMT
Organization: Princeton University - CIT
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <1992Apr14.224831.12927@ims.com> johnnyb@ims.com (Johnny Battle)
writes:
>I heard a haunting Irish lullaby on the radio several years
>ago and managed to record a small section of it.  Unfortunatly,
>I lost even that short recording and remember only the 

>Does anyone know the other verses, or who recorded it, or even
>the name of the song.  It`s my favorite, and I would like to
>know the other verses.  We just may have another little
>squiggler coming down the pipe one of these days, and I would
>enjoy adding a few more verses to my evening repertoire.

Meryl Streep recorded this recently on the record
"For the Children." This is the recording that has lots of
popular singers doing children's songs. It is a very 
beautiful song, and I was amazed at how well Meryl
Streep sings (that was before I saw "Postcards from teh
Edge.")
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smith@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (cheryl.l.smith)
Subject: new vaccination for children to prevent catching hepatitis-B
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: bl
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 18:20:21 GMT
Keywords: vaccination hepatitis-B

Has anyone received notification from their children's physician about
this vaccination?
	C. Smith
	ihlpf!clsmith


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From: jhagen@npri6.npri.com (Jarom Hagen)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education
Subject: Re: Minors right of access to contraceptives?
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:30:01 GMT
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA

csz55@seq1.keele.ac.uk (Christopher Wrigley) writes:

>I have a question which I believe is worthy of debate. Again it concerns
>both parents and their children in an age where teenage pregnancy is no
>longer our primary worry.

>The question is: Should minors have the same right of access to
>contraceptives as adults and should parents be notified if
>contraceptives are provided to their minor children?

If the schools are really worried about AIDS and teenage pregnancies,
why don't they teach teenagers to not have sex before they marry?  After
all, religious issues asside, this is the *safest* way of not getting
AIDS and not getting pregnant.  

Why is it that schools can teach against the use of drugs but not 
against the use of sex?   Both of these teachings involve "values".

If the school thinks it should teach about sex, it should teach
the risks and methods of avoiding the risks.  A school giving contraceptives 
out is encouraging the behavior that lead to the problems the school is 
trying to prevent.

I don't see why contraceptives have to be given out at school.  Can't
a teenager get them somewhere else?  What are they going to do next;
demonstrate their proper use? :-(

Jarom


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From: dal3@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (dale.e.parson)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: La Leche League
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:35:46 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Apr7.172831.12127@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> sgilley@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (The Idealistic Cynic) writes:
>Ok, I give up.  Just what exactly is the LLL?  I had thought from the
>name that it is/was a support group for breast-feeding mothers (and
>families, perhaps).  But now I'm to understand it's also a group that
>doesn't believe in eating refined carbohydrates?  What else is it?
>
>My wife and I had planned to get in touch with them a little later
>on in our pregnancy about breast feeding, so any info you can give
>would be helpful..
>
>Sean.

I don't know about the party line, but the LLL is staffed by mostly
volunteers, and as with any organization staffed with mostly volunteers,
you'll get members adding their 2 cents to the party line. We called
LLL a few times for advice during our 1st kid's early days. The first
few days are the most hectic, nothing like listening to your firstborn's
cries when there's no milk & very little colostrum. Of course many
doctors will start pushing (just a little formula...uh huh...)
during such times, but LLL will staunchly advise, "hold out, milk's
a comin'". Milk arrived, everything was fine. They're probably less
necessary if you have a pediatrician who REALLY supports nursing
but most pediatricians DON'T, they pay lip service only, and advise you
to stop nursing at the first problem (e.g., diarrhea, sleeplessness,
crankiness, etc. ad infinitum). Of course the best solution here is
to ditch the pediatrician, but if you're not ready for that & need
moral support when making your decision to ignore an ignorant pediatrician,
call your local LLL volunteer.

Dale Parson, Bell Labs, dale@alux2.att.com

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From: jill@cirrus.com (Jill Wilker)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Working vs. Staying home
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:25:07 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.

------------------ Start included message ------------------
Forwarded From soc.feminism Mon Apr 13 09:18:59 1992
By Ronnie Falcao, copied without permission:


Well, this seems like a good time to review the book,
"The Two-Parent Family Is Not The Best" by
June Stephenson.

The book is a fairly academic report on a survey of
adults who were raised in a variety of circumstances:
by biological parents, single parents and biological/step
parents.  It evaluates both their perceptions of their
happiness as children and a more objective evaluation
of their current status as happy, well-adjusted adults.
It presents extensive statistical reporting and analysis
of the results of the survey.

The major conclusion is sort of given away by the title,
so you may not be surprised to hear that the researchers
concluded that "There is no one group which stands out
as being the best family situation for raising children."

"This survey indicates that, contrary to a long-held belief,
the two parent family is not the best family for children.
. . . There are indications . . . that the family situation
with two parents, while sometimes very good, was, also,
just as often, not good at all.  This does not say that the
results concerning the biological parents group are wholly
negative.  But it does say that this group, which has always
been thought to be the best family combination for raising
children, appears to provide no clear advantage."

Some interesting points:

Children in a two-parent family were more likely to have
a parent who used alcohol excessively (with implied
negative effects) and who abused them physically or
sexually.

"Negative impact on children's self-esteem was affected
by parents not spending much time with their children,
and greatly affected by persistent family discord."

It appears that a child is better off with a single,
interested parent than with one interested and one
disinterested parent.

"There are also indications that children growing up in
two parent families where the mother does not work outside
the home, may develop excessive dependency."

"A family with a father and a mother who does not work
outside the home represents only 8% of the families today."

The book ends with a couple of short essays on
"What Is A Mother?" and "What Is A Father" in which
Dr. Stephenson argues that the traits often associated
with a parent of one gender or the other can easily
be learned and exercised by anyone, regardless of
gender, who is sincerely interested in their child's
welfare.

Although I found the book a little heavy on the
survey and statistics, it's an excellent book to
have in my library.  The short essays are well
worth reading.

	- Ronnie

Ronnie Falcao, Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA
falcao@metaphor.com



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From: vossron@Apple.COM (Ronald N. Voss)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Swearing (was Re: Cute things they say (2.25
Date: 10 Apr 92 01:32:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: apple.65159
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA

doug@doug.ksc.nasa.gov (doug hammond) writes:

>In article <65007@apple.Apple.COM> vossron@Apple.COM (Ronald N. Voss) writes:
>>
>>I made the terrible mistake of telling the "Barbie, Ken and G.I. Joe"
>>joke in front of my five-year-old.

>Okay, I give.  What's the "Barbie, Ken, and GI Joe" joke?  I want to tell my
>3 yr-old, that is, as soon as she memorizes the limerick about the "man from
>nantucket"...

Sorry, I thought I read it here.  Must have been rec.humor.funny.

The dad went to the toy store and asked the clerk "Does Barbie come with
Ken?"  The lady answered "No, Barbie comes with G.I. Joe.  She fakes it
with Ken."

Wherever I read it, it was presented as a true story, and not a joke.

My five-year-old repeats only the answer, and fortunately hasn't for a 
week.  But I *know* she remembers it (and she knows her memory is better
than mine).

Cheers,
Ron

-- 
Ron Voss          Apple Computer         I speak only for myself.
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