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From: stevedc@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Stephen Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "Seventeen"
Date: 9 Oct 92 07:14:28 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex
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edc@evolution.bchs.uh.edu (edward s. chen) writes:
: 
: Although saki doesn't mention it, these tapes are available on
: the "Yellow Dog" release of the Decca auditions.  Not an essential
: release, but nice for the brief "Cavern" tape, and the *complete*
: Decca auditions.  (incl: "Hello Little Girl" and "Love of the Loved",
: absent on most if not all of the quasi-legal releases)

Most, not all.  I have a vinyl, legal at time of issue, since
suppressed, with these on.

Stephen Carter, Systems & Operations Manager, Computing Services, 
 University of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QJ, UK
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From: rberry@sheltie.chapel-hill.nc.us (Robert Berry)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "The Making of Sgt. Pepper" on Disney
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 22:53:43 EDT
Organization: SkyNet

dave@RAY.MET.FSU.EDU (Dave Faciane) writes:

> >I checked Lewisohn, and he makes no mention of that first, simple
> >version. What's the explanation?  Does it appear on any bootlegs?  I
> >thought it was gorgeous, and I'd love to hear the whole thing.
> >
> It's there in Lewisohn; November 1966.

That's not what I see.  The first mention of "SFF," Thursday 24 November
1966, describes the recording thus: "Take one, recorded on this night,
was not only *magnificent* but as far removed from the final version as
possible, the only similarity between it and the record being the song's
mellotron introduction."

The simple version GM played on the special had no mellotron at all.
And GM explains that John thought about it, came back "after the
weekend" (Monday 28 November, presumably), and recorded another version,
in a lower key, and having "for the first time" a mellotron
introduction.

So who's wrong?  Is GM confused about when the mellotron first made its
appearance, and if so, why didn't we hear it on the early version he
played?  Is Lewisohn wrong about the presence of the mellotron on the
first take?  And what does the bootleg sound like?  Mellotron or no?


:: Robert Berry
From: jwlr@okeeffe.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: "New" Love Me Do 5" CD single
Date: 14 Oct 92 20:53:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: galileo.1992Oct14.205303.4225
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:

>I'm quoting this nice touch because it indicates EMI have settled on
>another way to soak consumers.  Not only do they issue a "new" single
>containing recordings easily available on CD, but they issue it in two
>CD configurations!  (And just think of the cassettes, the vinyl
>singles outside the US in 7-inch and 12-inch formats, and if you mail
>order now you can get the limited edition wax cylinder and wire-recorder
>versions.)

Let's not forget DAT, DCC, MD, and whatever other formats are invented
down the road....		I-)

			James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of anyone at all}
From: rberry@vnet.ibm.com
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 12:26:02 EST
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: Producers?
Reply-To: <rberry@vnet.ibm.com>

In  <1992Oct9.210956.6738@math.ucla.edu>  dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki) writes:
>In article <1o1asB1w164w@sheltie.chapel-hill.nc.us> rberry@sheltie.chapel-hill.nc.us (Robert Berry) writes:
>
>Is this the same Don Dixon who's produced REM, The Smithereens, and
>Guadalcanal Diary with such brilliance?

Yep, same guy.  He's also a songwriter and performer.  His first album,
"Most of the Girls Like to Dance But Only Some of the Boys Like To," was
a fairly big college hit (especially the song "Praying Mantis").

No real Beatles connection, I'm afraid, but I suspect a lot of Beatles
fans would enjoy Dixon's work.

>I always thought Julian Lennon would benefit from a Dixon-produced
>album.

Now *that* is a cool idea.

:: Robert Berry
From: jdinkins@spaquatic.Eng.Sun.COM (Jeff Dinkins)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Abbey Road cd printed around 1983
Date: 16 Oct 92 18:10:29 GMT
Reply-To: jdinkins@spaquatic.Eng.Sun.COM
Organization: 3-D House of Slave Chicks
NNTP-Posting-Host: spaquatic


 Way back when cd players first came out, there were precious few
cds out. Anyways, Toshiba/EMI printed up the Beatles Abbey Road and 
Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. I bought both.

 Now, as we all know... the Beatles catalog had not been released yet -
and didn't come out till (what? 87/88??).

 When Capitol got wind that Toshiba was pressing Abby Road in Japan
and importing them to the US, they told Toshiba to knock it off, hence
I have a rare cd. I put her away, and basically forgot about it when
I went to college. Well... my mom found it a couple of weeks ago and
gave those cds back to me.

 Soo.... can anyone fill me in? Ive lost track about their worth since
about 1984 or 85, when Wayne Green's cd magazine (whatever the title
was at that time) claimed that they were fetching $200. I can't imagine
it being worth that much.

Are these a known commodity? Is it indeed considered collectibles now 
that you can get the Capitol pressing for $11.99?

thanks for any info,
 jeff

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From: MG@CRNLNS.BITNET (Mario Giannella)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: DISNEY Channel Censorship
Date: 14 Oct 92 15:11:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: nettlera.9210141410.AA03040

Previously, I wrote:
>The "pinheads" at the DISNEY channel do indeed do some editing occasionally,
>e.g. I was watching the movie "Mr. Roberts" some time ago, and they cut out
>the delightfully comic scene of the Doctor mixing up some "Scotch" from what
>he had on hand in his medicine cabinet.  Presumably, they did not want the
>kiddies at home to try this.
>
>Perhaps in "The Making of Sgt. Pepper" they cut out any DRUG references, so
>as not to encourage that sort of thing.

There WAS some editing of "MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR" on the DISNEY channel:
e.g. they cut out the nightclub "stripper" scene (which, if you recall, was
already "censored" to cover-up her breasts).

What next?  If they show "A Hard Days Night", are they going to cut out
John sniffing a bottle of "Coke"? (as in coca-cola.  Well ... actually it was
a pepsi).

If they show "HELP!" are they going to cut out the adventures of Paul on the
floor? (after all, he is NAKED!) or Paul accidentally touching a female
breast?

If they show "YELLOW SUBMARINE", there are some cartoon body parts they may
have to watch out for.

  ... and there might be a dirty word or two in "LET IT BE".
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: HELP!!
Keywords: help
Date: 8 Oct 92 15:54:52 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

swindley@elec.uq.oz.au (Robert Swindley) writes:

>	I don't know if this is a FAQ (it probably would be)
>  but what are the beatles spelling on the cover of HELP?
>  I always just assumed it was H E L P but a friend said it wasn't
>  and he had worked it out to be R U something something. Could
>  please, please help me?

Maybe it was "R U T L"?		I-)

Or maybe that's where National Lampoon got the idea for
"F something something K"		I-)	I-0	I-)

				James Willer
{the opinions above are probably NOT those of
 anyone at all}
From: ralley@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Thomas G Ralley)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Re: The Bealtes on Disney
Date: 8 Oct 1992 14:56:03 -0400
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
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In article <1992Oct08.162541.14930@watson.ibm.com> johniac@austin.ibm.com (John Iacoletti) writes:
>In article <1992Oct8.122918.18683@utkux1.utk.edu>, lyle@utkvx2.utk.edu (Bradley S. Lyle) writes:
>|> 
>|> Just got the October/November issue of the Disney Channel magazine and there
>|> are a whole bunch of goodies coming up that I thought I would pass along.
>
>You missed "Rupert and the Frog Song".

Speaking of which, I notice there are a series of Rupert videos at my local
library in the children's section. I've only looked at one, a reading 
of a short story with stills of the pictures from the book, but it piqued
by interest. Has the video done with Paul singing "We all stand together"
been released on video here in the United States?

David Ralley
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mcrosbie@unix1.tcd.ie (Mark J. Crosbie)
Subject: Re: About The Reunions
Organization: Trinity College, Dublin
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 12:03:14 GMT

In <1b3263INNso9@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> novan@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Erwin Gunadi) writes:

>I would like to know more about the album : The Beatles Reunion 74 & 92.
>As I haven't heard this album before, I also like to know whether the
>album is worth to be purchased.
>The last thing I like to know is if anyone ever heard if The Beatles
>still has one last unpublished album ?

Hi
Sorry I don't know anything about the Beatles' reunion albums.
However, the one last unpublished album is "Get Back" but as you may
already know, this has been released in the form of "Let it Be".
"Get Back" was recorded in January 1969, left unreleased, then
"Abbey Road" was recorded in mid '69 and released before "Let it Be"
which is just "Get Back" with lots of orchestration and overproduction.
("Let it Be" was released in 1970)

Hope this isn't too confusing!!

Bye for now,
Robert Crosbie
c/o mcrosbie@unix1.tcd.ie
Trinity College, Dublin
Dublin 2
Ireland.
From: dmac@julia.math.ucla.edu (saki)
Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
Subject: Mail problems
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:48:11 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: UCLA Mathematics Department

Sorry to bother the public about this.

I still can't reach two people with requested notes. Mail bounces no
matter how it's sent. Mr. tmdbutch@descartes.uwaterloo.ca may be out
of luck, and Adam Brody, who has sent me three accounts to try, is
not reachable via any of those addresses.

If either of you would like to have your sysop or postmaster contact
me and give me a workable path, I'd be happy to send you your notes.

--
"The Lana Sisters, clad in pink, added a welcome feminine flavour.
'Much better than those Beatles' I heard one gentleman remark."
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Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles
From: mcrosbie@unix1.tcd.ie (Mark J. Crosbie)
Subject: John and Paul in 1974
Organization: Computer Science, Trinity College Dublin
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:30:58 GMT


Hi all,
Recently I received a list of CD bootlegs from a dealer.
In the Beatles/Lennon section it included a very curious CD by the
name of "A toot and a snore in '74" and it was supposedly a recording
session in 1974 with Paul.
This seems a bit unlikely doesn't it?!
As far as I know John and Paul weren't the best of pals in the 70's so
how did they ever get together to record?
Does anyone have any info.??

Thanks,
Robert Crosbie
c/o mcrosbie@unix1.tcd.ie
Trinity College, Dublin
Dublin
Ireland.
From: niranjan@sbstaff2.cs.sunysb.edu (Niranjan)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Oct 16. Any radio broadcast?
Date: 13 Oct 92 01:51:23 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

Though people have posted that there would be a radio broadcast
of the MSG show (in addition to the Pay-per-view 'cast), I haven't
seen any details...Does anyone know anything more about this?
Want to know if any NYC radio station (WNEW?) is going to carry
the concert.

-Niranjan.
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: janh@hsr.no (Jan Hoeyberg)
Subject: Looking for discography - The Band
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:06:55 GMT

Does anyone have a complete list of recordings involving the Band or members
from the Band, including singles, solo albums, soundtracks, producer jobs etc?

Hints about fan clubs or other sources of information on the Band appreciated.
Thanks.

Jan H\o iberg (janh@hsr.no)
From: Y79@ucc.uwindsor.ca (Good Morning Mrs. Cut-out)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: MSG
Date: 8 Oct 92 20:58:03 GMT
Article-I.D.: uvaarpa.1992Oct8.205803.15348
Reply-To: Y79@ucc.uwindsor.ca
Organization: The Internet

So is there going to be a radio simulcast of the MSG show?
How long is it planned for, because I won't be home that night and
would like to set my tape deck on auto-record.

Also I recall a pretty enjoyable version of "Sweet Marie" a few years
back by, I think, The Razorbacks (?).  Could be wrong though.  Nice
energetic country-rock version.

Jim Kelly
Dept. of Communication Studies
University of Windsor
Windsor, Ontario, Canada
N9B 3P4

Internet: Y79@UCC.UWINDSOR.CA
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: BUCK@vax.museum.upenn.edu
Subject: Lock Haven, October 10th
Reply-To: BUCK@vax.museum.upenn.edu
Organization: The Internet
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:24:58 GMT

No one has said anything about Lock Haven?  Anthony?

He was 100% better than in 1991.  He was much worse than in 88 or 89.
If I could personally escort John Jackson into limbo, I would.  He has
a nasty habit of drowning Dylan out when Dylan is playing half decent
leads (a new very good thing) and doing nothing when Bob is doing nothing.
I think they all got permanents.

Set list:
Everything Is Broken
Pretty Peggy-O
All Along The Watchtower
It Takes A Lot To Laugh, It Takes A Train To Cry
Simple Twist Of Fate
Under The Red Sky
Silvio
Little Moses
Boots Of Spanish Leather
It's All Right, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)
It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
Unbelievable
Man In The Long Black Coat
Times They Are A-Changing
Maggie'd Farm
What Good Am I
Highway 61 Revisited
It Ain't Me Babe

Best during the acoustic parts, especially It's Alright Ma --- nearly
the best I've heard in many many concerts.  Pretty Peggo-O was all
right, and I liked It Ain't Me Babe.  

Festival seating, decent crowd in a gym, we got to lean on the spacer
bar and see him close.  He's looking all right, trim, not at all young
(where were you sitting?); no smiling anymore, it seems to have come in
phases.  But a couple of times he let us know he could still sing if
he felt like it.  Wish he'd feel like it more often.

Rebecca
buck@vax.museum.upenn.edu

Someone asked about Providence.  I hear he's playing the 
performing arts center there on October 25.
$ 
Organization: Junior, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 12:57:12 -0400 
From: "Jonathan D. Lyness" <jl6e+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: MSG on Pittsburgh radio??


- if anyone learns of a Pittsburgh radio station that will be
simulcasting, _please_ let me know which one!


Thanks,

Jon
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: pwssab@mips2.ma30.bull.com (Pws Sablime Login)
Subject: Re: Best Dylan song
Organization: Bull HN Informations Systems Inc.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:04:37 GMT

anderbea@columbia.dsu.edu (Anthony Anderberg) writes:

>I'm doing an informal study of what people think is Mr. Dylan's best song.  
>Please let me know your favorite.  I'll post the winner if you want.
>-ant

I cast one vote for "It's All Right Ma, I'm Only Bleeding".

Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: farowich@guiduk.enet.dec.com (STEVE FAROWICH)
Subject: The New Band
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date:  9 OCT 92 07:32:05    

This Band that you guys are talking about, does it include
Robbie Robertson?  If not, give'm a new name.  Or put them
in the Rock and Roll Revival Shows with Chuck Berry and
Iron Butterfly.  It ain't the same.  Robbie is still making
music, CB, IB and The New Band all USED to make music (well
maybe not IB) but now just mock themsleves.

It's not THE BAND.

steve 
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: afishman@scott.skidmore.edu (adam fishman)
Subject: Re: uncategorized
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:16:31 GMT

Don't forget to mention his wonderful sense of phrasing as is highly
evident on Blonde on Blonde and Street Legal!!!
Also -- I can't let his beautiful voice on Sad Eyed Lady... go unnoticed!
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: paul.fletcher@rose.com (paul fletcher)
Subject: RE: Best Song
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 04:36:51 GMT
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Date Entered: 10-13-92 23:29

 anderbea@columbia.dsu.edu (Anthony Anderberg) writes:
 
I'm doing an informal study of what people think is Mr. Dylan's best 
song.  
Please let me know your favorite.  I'll post the winner if you want.
-ant
 

It is extremely hard to believe that anyone following Dylan for the 
past 30 years could only select ONE favourite song.  There has been 
such a tremendous amount of music generated over these years that we 
could not limit our pick to only one song.  Therefore here are our 
picks for most favourite songs...


    Motorpsycho Nitemare
    Desolation Row
    Subterranean Homesick Blues
    Just Like A Woman
    Sad Eyed Lady Of The Lowlands
    To Be Alone With You
    I Through It All Away
    Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You
    Knockin' On Heavens Door
    Tangled Up In Blue
    Simple Twist Of Fate
    Shelter From The Storm
    Idiot Wind
    If You See Her Say Hello
    It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)

I know that this is a long list (definitely could have been longer) 
and it doesn't even list the classics like "Like a Rolling Stone", but 
as stated prior after 30 years only one favourite would be impossible. 

Possibly having a favourite song from each album would be easier.

We would be most interested in seeing the results...

Paul/Lorraine Fletcher



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From: brummer@dogwood.botany.uga.edu (Charlie Brummer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: Last two albums
Date: 14 Oct 92 02:23:27 GMT
Organization: Botany Department - U of Georgia, Athens

>of the vocal work on this album is outstanding. Listen again to "Man in the
>Long Black Coat", or "Most of the Time", or even the final track "Shooting
 
 
 Shooting Star sends chills up and down my spine--this is a wonderful song on an
 absolutely great album.

>and this album is a real winner. I will just slip into an asbestos body
>suit before saying that these two albums are Dylans best consecutive ones
>since Highway61/Blonde on Blonde. (And I like BotT and Desire a _lot_.)
>
Well, BotT is so good that even if Desire were Self Portrait, I would have to
say that those are his best back to back albums; however, I agree otherwise.

>	Andrew "flamebait" Davies

Charlie Brummer
From: bloom@buast7.bu.edu (Steve Bloom)
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Re: What are good Dylan CD's?
Date: 9 Oct 92 11:44:51 GMT
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1992Oct6.172151.11355@sadtler.com> djs@sadtler.com (Dan J. Sears) writes:
>In article <1992Oct5.133825.2225@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> bdb023@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:

>>self-portrait. I'd like some opinions from some people who know 
>>Dylan well. I'm open for other suggestions also, except for the
>>Basement tapes which I have heard and really didn't care for.
>>			Thanx in advance
>>				brian 
The answer is: Highway 61 Revisited (great tunes, excellent electrc guitar)
or Desire (similar, sort of, to Blood in that it's folksy. It is a much less
personal album though).
From: u6409886@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
Subject: Last two albums
Date: 13 Oct 92 00:29:55 GMT
Organization: The University of Melbourne

Just a few comments and questions.

Firstly, I am still faintly amazed that anyone could seriously question
Dylan's singing on Oh Mercy, which happened here a day or two back. Some
of the vocal work on this album is outstanding. Listen again to "Man in the
Long Black Coat", or "Most of the Time", or even the final track "Shooting
Star". (Incidentally, does anyone know who this song is about? It ocurred
to me that it would be appropriate for Richard Manuel, but the time doesn't
seem right.) Sure it's not that same voice that galvanized a generation
with "how does it _feel_" - it's a more mature, reflective voice. Dylan
is not an angry young man any more. On this album  he is a fifty year old
father of five taking stock, and looking at where he is. In many ways
Shooting Star and Man..Coat are directly confronting mortality - something
a 25 year old never does. (Shit, I'm starting to sound like a Rolling
Stone review.)

Secondly, why don't more people like Under the Red Sky ? I left all of my
other tapes behind one weekend, and listened to this album several times.
The more I heard, the more I liked, and now this album is one of my
favourites. If Oh Mercy was his reflective phase, Under the Red Sky is in
some ways a rebirth, and return to childish pleasures (Wiggle Wiggle)
and the rythyms of nursery rhymes, with an adults slant (UtRS). Include
the "oh oh, things aren't going right" theme of Cat's In the Well, and
the more reflective Born in Time (a beautiful song - was this perchance
written more closely to OM than UtRS - it sounds like it) and God Knows,
and this album is a real winner. I will just slip into an asbestos body
suit before saying that these two albums are Dylans best consecutive ones
since Highway61/Blonde on Blonde. (And I like BotT and Desire a _lot_.)

Qn: In the notes with UtRS it mentions the limited availability of a set
of notes by Dylan talking about the songs. Anyone have this ? What does
he say ?

	Andrew "flamebait" Davies
Newsgroups: rec.music.dylan
From: afishman@scott.skidmore.edu (adam fishman)
Subject: Re: Why does everyone hate self-portrait
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 22:20:09 GMT

It is certainly a bold statement to say that Self Portrait is  Dylan's
worst album.  Have you not heard Knocked Out Loaded?  If not, don't
bother.  Another one the ranks down there is Saved - it has a couple
redeaming qualities, but is mostly trash.  oh yeah, and what about
Down ini the Groove?  Again, this isn't all that bad, but then n
again, neither is Self Portrait.