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From: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de (Holger Veit)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: 386bsd -- The New Newsgroup
Date: 9 Sep 92 08:11:14 GMT
Organization: Uni-Duisburg FB9 Datenverarbeitung
Reply-To: veit@du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: du9ds3.uni-duisburg.de
Keywords: newsgroup 386bsd news group

In <1992Sep8.200625.2894@socrates.umd.edu> john@socrates.umd.edu (John VanAntwerp) writes:

>In article <18iprpINNg6e@agate.berkeley.edu> wjolitz@soda.berkeley.edu (William F. Jolitz) writes:
>>
>>As per Bill's suggestion, here's a breakdown of some of the suggested 
>>topics and groups:
>>
>>	comp.os.386bsd		(general questions and trivia)
>>	comp.os.386bsd.kernel	(discussion on kernel content/structure)
>>	comp.os.386bsd.windows	(ditto, on windowing systems like X)
>>	comp.os.386bsd.sharedlib (shared library and programming environment)
>>	comp.os.386bsd.net	(networking topics)
>>	comp.os.386bsd.bugs	(new bugs)
>>	comp.os.386bsd.ann	(announcements, fixes, additions)

>I think that this is a fine set of newsgroups...

>						John

You should not multiply entities unless it is absolutely necessary
(free translation of William of Occam's well-known statement). 

We have considerably high traffic on 'I cannot boot with my configuration', say
'newbie' stuff. Since I follow this group quite long, I would have an idea
where to post such a question, but if I were a beginner and desperate 
because of 386bsd had just cleaned my whole disk, I would perhaps ignore 
the different groups and send my mail to all of them, perhaps to find 
one who can answer.

I haven't seen much on shared libraries yet in this group, so why sharedlib.
Or did I misunderstand this, because you mean a common library (archive) for
all who want to share software? This might be called 'comp.os.386bsd.contrib'.

I if found just a bug in /sys/kern/kern_execve.c, should I post to
comp.os.386bsd.bugs or c.o.3.kernel, just because my detected effects could be
for interest for the latter group as well? And if I fixed the bug on the fly,
should I also send it to c.o.3.ann? Similiar things might happen with
network related things.

BTW, when the AT&T/USL or similiar junk should come up again, where will it
go? I assume from the previous stories (before alt.suit-bsdi ?) was created,
the articles were scattered around everything that had *.unix.* in its name.

*** I am not against a new group comp.os.386bsd, but why should it be a whole
*** tree directly? Confusion will be built-in.

Holger
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From: AI4CPHYW@MIAMIU.BITNET
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: HELP: 386BSD Hangs During Kernel Recompile[My newsfeed crashed and burned  right after I sent this, and I thinkit didn't make it to the net at large, so I am reposting]
Date: 15 Sep 92 14:11:32 GMT
Organization: Miami University - Academic Computer Service

I have been trying to recompile the kernel with no luck.  I patched the
makefile, and carefully followed the instructions provided in the ROADMAP
file.  (config MACHINE cd to compile/MACHINE make depend, then make) The
make depend flies fine, but the make just kinda hangs.
 
I looked at the archives of the group and I see some others have been having
the same problem, but I haven't seen a definitive fix or patch or workaround.
I would appreciate it if someone could let me know how to fix this.
 
I will summarize via e-mail or to the net (if there is enough demand).
 
                      -Alec D. Isaacson
                       AI4CPHYW @ miamiu.acs.muohio.edu
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Date: Sunday, 6 Sep 1992 05:57:02 EST
From: <ACPS7221@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Compatibility of Binaries

   Hello all:  Could some kind soul tell me whether a 386BSD system can run
BSD/386 binaries?  Any information would be greatly appreciated.  Reply to
comp.unix.bsd or e-mail me directly at <acps7221@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>.
       Thanks !! Michael Caro

  Newbie ... Newbie ... Newbie ... :)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: beacker@babylon.wpd.sgi.com (Brad Eacker)
Subject: Archive site?
Followup-To: beacker@sgi.com (Brad Eacker)
Keywords: Archives
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 23:10:48 GMT

     Now that this group is no longer being mailed out.  I was
wondering if there is an archive site available that compiles all
the postings from this group?
             Thanks in advance for any info,
                    Brad Eacker (beacker@sgi.com)
From: dmp3592@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Dean M. Phillips)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: 386bsd & timezone
Date: 11 Sep 92 13:39:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle

In article <1992Sep10.063811.3134@Saigon.COM> David.Fox@Saigon.COM writes:
...
>I suppose others besides myself have noticed that 386bsd 0.1 is one
>hour off on telling the time.  Over here, even though the localtime
>is linked to pacific New, it's one hour ahead of the correct time.

This is because the clock initialization code reads the CMOS and
converts to UTC.  The problem is that it knows nothing about the
intricacies of time zones and presidential election years.  I worked
around it by leaving the CMOS set to standard time (My wife has not
noticed that the DOS clock is one hour off).  If you only run 386bsd on
your system this means you don't have to reset your systems clock every
time that daylight savings time changes.
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: wjin@cs.uh.edu (W. Woody Jin)
Subject: Re: which X386 in agate is better?
Keywords: X386
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 21:18:47 GMT

In article <sxsnztn.hasty@netcom.com> hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes:
>The /pub/incoming/X386 in agate is the latest relese of X386 (which
>has been renamed to Xfree86). We are waiting for kernel patches and
>this is the reason we have not release X386. As for the current
>X386 in /pub/incoming from an X11R5 point of view is rock solid.

Sorry if this question has been asked (I think it was).
Is there any archive site which has 'stripped' X11 binaries ?
Downloading 12M bytes of X386 server only (even though it is compressed)
does not make sense to me since I'll never debug X386 server.

Thanks.

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From: wolfy@ba.ncu.edu.tw (Jann-Yea Sue)
Subject: Re: (386BSD) increasing swap space - various qu
Reply-To: wolfy@ba.ncu.edu.tw
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 11:02:49 GMT
From: chang@bigboy (Ying-Ling Chang)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: problem on install 386BSD
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:09:19 GMT
Organization: Temple University

Hi! I have a problem during install 386BSD.  When I ask system to format the
partition that assigned to 386BSD, the screen display "Fromatting partition for
386BSD..."  something like that.  After this, the system is stuck.  It would be appreciated that someone could tell me what's going wrong.
My system include
386/33 MHz, C&T chip set motherboard
4M RAM
200M harddisk -- 33M for primary DOS
		 20M for extend DOS
		 150M for 386BSD

chang@bigboy.cis.temple.edu
From: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Are you sure UNIX is a trade mark? 
Distribution: world
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 02:11:38 GMT
Organization: Crynwr Software

In article <BRUNER.92Sep8172455@sp15.csrd.uiuc.edu> bruner@sp15.csrd.uiuc.edu writes:

   One cannot assert that a trademark has lost its protected status just
   because it is a widely-recognized name.  "Kleenex" is almost certainly
   a more widely-recognized name than "UNIX", but it is still a
   registered trademark of Kimberly-Clark.

Yes, but if you'll notice, it's always "Kleenex brand facial
tissues", and "Band-Aid brand adhesive bandages" and "Scotch brand
adhesive tape".

Please perform the exercise of completing the following phrase: "Unix brand ..."

I suspect that most people who know that Unix is spelled Unix complete
it as "Unix brand Unix", which means that Unix is not a trademark.

IANAL.

-russ <nelson@crynwr.com>  I'm proud to be a humble Quaker!
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: hahn@ipk.fhg.de (Uwe Hahn)
Subject: How to lowlevel-format floppies ?
Keywords: floppies,formatting
Organization: IPK Berlin, Inst. fuer Produktionsanlagen- und Konstruktionstechnik der FHG
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:22:11 GMT

Is there anybody, who can tell me how to lowlevel-format floppies under 
386BSD ? The mtools only offer to highlevel-format floppies and I know of 
fdformat or format on SunOS or SysV-PC-Unixes. 

Is there such a tool under 386BSD (Jolix) ?
Perhaps I haven't seen it in the binary-package ?

It would be nice to get an answer to this question.

Ciao Uwe
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From: brtmac@maverick.ksu.ksu.edu (Brett McCoy)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: emacs for bsd386??
Date: 15 Sep 92 19:13:45 GMT
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: maverick.ksu.ksu.edu

goran@astro.uu.se (Goran Hammarback) writes:

>In article <bcrawfor.716490140@sol.UVic.CA>, bcrawfor@sol.UVic.CA (Bryan Crawford) writes:
>|> an anuyone point me in the right direction for acquiring
>|> emacs (preferably GNU) which has been ported to BSD386.
>|> 

>Get the sources for emacs-18.58 and apply the patches in articles
>2754 (clfatter@nrao.edu), and 3370 (sommerfeld@apollo.hp.com) from
>comp.unix.bsd.
>I did and it works (almost) perfectly.

Uh, article numbers are different on every single news system.  When you
want to refer to an article, refer to it by it's Message-ID.

++Brett;
Organization: Doctoral student, Statistics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Date: Sat,  5 Sep 1992 14:08:15 -0400 
From: Tao Jiang <tj2n+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Problem in using tip



Hi,

I got a problem in using tip. After the dialing tone, I always lose connect.
The error is like:
$tip dial-annex

dialing...
RING
call failed
[EOT]
Cang any one mail me some hints?

My .remote file is as:

dial-annex|9600 Baud dial-out to another UNIX system:\
        :el=^U^C^R^O^D^S^Q:ie=%$:oe=^D:tc=SLIP-UNIX:
### the baud rate must match the rate you set on your modem...
SLIP-UNIX|9600 Baud Hayes attributes:\
        :dv=/dev/com1:br#9600:cu=/dev/com1:at=hayes:du:pn=5789896

Thanks!
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: cchase@cs.cornell.edu (Craig Chase)
Subject: Re: cross compiling on a Sparc for 386bsd
Organization: Electrical Engineering, Cornell University, Ithaca NY
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:57:49 GMT

The answer is "yes" you can get gnu-ld to generate correct (byte-swapped) object
code for 386bsd from a SPARC.  When release 0.0 came out, I gathered together
the patches for gcc-2.0 and gnu-ld-1.94-beta.  The patches are (still) available
from tesla.ee.cornell.edu in pub/386bsd.

However, gnu-ld 2.0 was just released, and if patches are still necessary, they 
should be diffs from this version of ld.

I'm not going to get to this until after I have SL/IP running, which will probably
not be until next week (still waiting for the mailman to bring the modem).  If
someone else has the time to experiment with gnu-ld 2.0 and see if it works,
please let me know.

Craig

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From: jcargill@grilled.cs.wisc.edu (Jon Cargille)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: 386bsd -- The New Newsgroup <Summary>
Date: 13 Sep 92 20:43:09 GMT
Organization: University of Wisconsin-Madison CS Dept

In article <1992Sep12.232207.25719@cs.sfu.ca> bremner@cs.sfu.ca (David Bremner) writes:
>
>I'm not sure whether or not two separate newsgroups are needed for bsd386 
>and 386/bsd.  I realize there are political considerations here, but 
>comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit ( or whatever it is called ) serves about 
>6 major flavours of SYS V based unix on intel processors.
>

There are reasons other then political.  How about the fact that most
386bsd users won't want to read about bsd/386, *much* *less* some
SYSV-based intel unix?

>In a soundbite
>
>	comp.os.bsd
>	comp.os.bsd.pc-clone
>
>Which would cover bsd386, 386/bsd, mach-386, BNRSS-386, (the last two
>only in regard to their BSD nature, not their mach nature)
>

Hate it, hate it, hate it.  Why should people have to read about
systems they're not interested it, just because they're (possibly)
similar?

By this reasoning, we could just do away with newgroups altogether,
and revert to one top-level group called 'news'.  If everyone had
*really* nifty threaded newsreaders, it might work...  Not!

Let's not throw things together that don't naturally share readership,
just to satisfy an urge to "order" the namespace.

Jon
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From: rick@hq.af.mil (Rick Weldon)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: strtod.c -- Where's the source Luke?
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:34:40 GMT
Reply-To: rick@hq.af.mil
Organization: 7TH Communications Group

Maybe I missed a related discussion, but the "strtod(3)" routine 
is missing from the 386BSD distribution. The man page is there, but
no source. I tried ftp.uu.net and the same situation. Man page
but no source. Whats the deal?????

I have ported tcl and expect, I've got a compile but the
linker screams about the unresolved external reference to "strtod(3).


If the source is available I would appreciate someone mailing it 
to me or posting it.

Thanks,
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From: jj@Germany.EU.net (Jens Uwe Jansen)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Speedstar Timings and X386
Date: 8 Sep 1992 15:39:56 GMT
Organization: EUnet Backbone, Dortmund, Germany
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: walhalla.germany.eu.net
Keywords: Speedstar, X386


Hello everybody,

I'm new to this group and I hope this Question isn't in the FAQ 'cos I didn't
found it while browsing through about 800 articles.

I noticed some articles about the Diamond Stealth and the 'boycott' of 
information from Diamond about the card.

My problems are:     
	I'm using a Speedstar Plus Hicolor with 386BSD and X386
	but I only get pixel-clocks > 45 MHz apart from the standard
	25 and 28 MHz clocks from the standard VGA
	My monitors specs tell me that it can do 35.5 kHz horizontal-
	frequency but I'm running it with 37.6 kHz. 
	While I can get a very nice 640x480 mode, it's nealy impossible
	to get a working 800x600 mode because the picture is sqeezed in 
	width. I think I could get a better view if my monitor could work
	with higher hor.-freq., but that would mean to buy a new monitor
	which are about 2000,- DM (~ 1000,- $) I think.
	
	If it would be possible to use the HiColor mode , I think the 
	picture would be better. I could use the higher frequencies, because
	the card has to read two bytes to display one pixel, so the picture 
	becomes unsqeezed. Am I right?

I hope there is some help to my problem, if not I think I will add my name 
to the list of Diamond Curse

Thanks in advance
	Jens- Uwe Jansen <jj@Germany.EU.net>


Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: ccml@hippo.ru.ac.za (Mike Lawrie)
Subject: 386bsd: elvis won't compile
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:57:16 GMT

In /usr/src/usr.bin/elvis, I type "make" and end up with the message

	make: obj: No such file or directory

There is a link /usr/src/usr.bin/elvis/obj->/usr/obj/contrib/elvis-1.5,
but there is not even a directory /usr/obj/contrib.

Could some kind soul point out what I have to do to sort this out?

Thanks. Mike
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: eschwart@netcom.Netcom.COM (Eric Schwartz)
Subject: Problems booting the 386bsd startup disk
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 03:13:45 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service
Distribution: comp

I just downloaded dist.fs.Z and rawrite.exe from agate.berkeley.edu, and
after uncompressing the distribution and rawriting it to a newly-
formatted 5.25" floppy on a vanilla 386, I can't get it to boot.  It spins
continually in the drive, and no messages come up on the screen.

Anyone know what's happening?

Please copy me via e-mail if anyone has an idea or suggestion.

Thanks,

Eric
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From: terry@cs.weber.edu (A Wizard of Earth C)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: FORTRAN for 386BSD
Keywords: 386bsd fortran
Date: 11 Sep 92 21:52:41 GMT
Organization: Weber State University  (Ogden, UT)

In article <BuF7tF.F98@micromuse.co.uk> adam@micromuse.co.uk writes:
>Hi net-world,
>
>Anybody know of a FORTRAN compiler suitable for 386BSD (i.e. freely 
>available in source form) ????

Compiler, no, translator yes.  Of course once it's translated, you can compile
it with cc.  Coming soon to agate if I can find it again.


					Terry Lambert
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From: colin@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au (Colin Manning)
Subject: [386BSD] Nothing uses my cpu (according to ps)
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 03:56:37 GMT

Hi,
	I've just compiled the kernel, and got rid of the error that said
several symbols were not found.  But, now when I do a ps -gaux every process
reports 0% cpu and mem usage.  Has someone already patched this?

Colin
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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: jks@teal.csn.org (John Stevenson)
Subject: Re: extract says its corrupt, damit!
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 23:43:14 GMT

solsman@ra.nrl.navy.mil (Mark Solsman) writes:
I had the same problem with an ESDI drive, it turned out that the disk 
controller was having problems and needed to be replaced. It seemed to be placing
the data down in the same place. If you want an interesting test try this:
rename etc01.71 to bad01 and bin01.46 to bad02 then reload them. 
Good luck.
bye
.


>Hello,

>I am having trouble installing 306bsd.  This morning, I mread the bin dist
>into /tmp and then extracted them fine.  However, when the system accidently
>rebooted, I decided that I should start over from scratch rather than invest
>more time and kill myself later.

>So I did just that, and now no matter what the hell I do, extract tells me
>that etc01.71 and bin01.46 are corrupt.  Now, I am using the same disks
>are I did before, and I even re-ftp-ed them from my workstation to my PC,
>when that didn't work, I even re-ftp-ed them from agate.berkeley to my PC,
>When that didn't work, I even ftp-ed them from agate.berkeley to my 386bsd
>setup using slip.  No matter what I do, these two files etc01.71 & bin01.46
>are corrupt.

>Does anyone have any ideas of what I am doing wrong?  I have re-installed
>tiny-bsd many times and started over and over from scratch.  Does anyone
>have an idea of how to fix my situation.

>thanks in advance

>-Mark

>Gateway 386/25 w/ 8megs, 105meg bsd partition active on drive 0, ati vga,
>esdi, mread b:*.* /tmp - from 3.5"                    


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Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: djm@eng.umd.edu (David J. MacKenzie)
Subject: Re: strtod.c -- Where's the source Luke?
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 15:41:53 GMT
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland

You can get strtod.c from the GNU shellutils 1.7, but when I tried
compiling it on 386BSD 0.1, gcc died from some internal error, with
signal 6 I think.  I didn't try to figure out what it was about the
file that tickled the compiler bug; I just gave up.
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
From: kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies)
Subject: kvm.c patch wanted 
Reply-To: kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de
Organization: I.Physikalisches Institut RWTH-Aachen
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 19:07:27 GMT


Has anyone gotten ps to output the user command line?

There were two posts on that issue in July, I believe. These two patches
for kvm.c at al.gave this  "hunk 2 failed" - oh I love these kind of
messages. Should add it to my .signature file :-)

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From: witr@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow)
Subject: Re: descriptive Subject:'s please (and prune those quotes)
Reply-To: witr@rwwa.com
Organization: R.W. Withrow Associates
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 13:51:42 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.065350.22589@pegasus.com>, 
richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) writes:

| Do yourself and others a favor by selecting an appropriate `Subject:'
| line, so that people don't waste time reading things that aren't of
| interest to them or questions that they can't answer.

To which Bob adds the gripe:

Those who followup articles:  Please don't quote the *entire* article
you are following up; Select a few lines that are appropriate for your
followup.  There are some people here who are fond of quoting 150 line
articles and appending 2 lines of answer.  You will find that there
are grumps like me who will N an article if there isn't non-quoted text
on the first page or so.

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