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From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: My Bowl Thoughts
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 04:41:24 GMT

In article <1idclnINNb26@shelley.u.washington.edu> wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat) writes:
>In article <5JAN199313501992@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>>Everyone else posted their comments, so here are mine.
>
>>6 Long live Keith Jackson!  And may Brent Musburger be fired again.
>Keith Jackson?!?  That guy's got alzheimers!  He is one of the WORST announcers
>I have EVER had the misfortune to hear!  Musberger is far better,  at least
>he doesn't make stupid mistakes like calling the teams by the wrong name like
>he did in the UW AZ game.  Jeers to all the announcers who mindlessly read
>from a script!  You must like him because he was the bearer of good news.  He's
>no quality announcer.  Marv Albert is the king!
>wessir


You guys are BOTH wrong, BOTH Musbugger and Jackoff are tied for the worst
commentator award. Jackson, like you said, is a totally absent minded oaf
who can't get a team name, or school name right if he tried (Michingan/FSU
game last year for example, always called FSU "Florida"). Not to mention the
fact that he gets far too much credit for simply stating the obvious.
Musberger on the other hand, is just plain obnoxious. I don't think he knows
anything about the mechanics of the game, and he shouts at every little event
that takes place (think about it...how many times have you heard him yell,
"FUMBLE!!!" when the ball comes loose, even though it is after the play is
long since dead? I think I heard it about three times in the Cotton bowl this
year alone, but he does that shit in all his games.)

The best commentator in all football (college or pro) is, IMHO, John Madden.

Kevin

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From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Conference Strength
Date: 9 Jan 1993 19:34:42 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
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In article <C0LqDx.MBC@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> moores@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Stephen Moore) writes:
>    SEC #1. Alabama #1.  PAC-10 sucks and sould try high school next year.

Full of themselves.  Yes.  Yes and you're the expert.

- goober (mentally at least) smith
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From: elpwestg@nuscc.nus.sg (West)
Subject: Re: Roger's Top 25--No dispute here
Organization: National University of Singapore
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 03:22:40 GMT

acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
: The *Dendy system is robust enough, at least, to agree when the National 
: Champion is obvious and indisputable.  Here are the final top 25 for 1992 
: according to my computer.  The complete list for Div I-A will follow by a 
: separate post.
: 
: Team			Record			Weight
: ----			------			------
: 1 Alabama		13-0			2.4
: 2 Florida State		11-1			2.3
: 3 Notre Dame		10-1-1			2.2
: 4 Washington		9-3			2.1
: 5 Miami Fl		11-1			2.1
: 6 Stanford		10-3			2.0
: 7 Michigan		9-0-3			2.0
: 8 Texas A&M		12-1			1.9
: 9 Syracuse		10-2			1.9
: 10 Georgia		10-2			1.8
: 11 Tennessee		9-3			1.8
: 12 Ohio State		8-3-1			1.8
: 13 Nebraska		9-3			1.7
: 14 Washington St	9-3			1.7
: 15 Colorado		9-2-1			1.7
: 16 Florida		9-4			1.7
: 17 N. C. State		9-3-1			1.6
: 18 Hawaii		11-2			1.6
: 19 Bowling Green	10-2			1.5
: 20 North Carolina	9-3			1.5
: 21 Arizona		6-5-1			1.5
: 22 Southern Cal		6-5-1			1.4
: 23 Mississippi		9-3			1.4
: 24 Boston College	8-3-1			1.4
: 25 Fresno State		9-4			1.4
: 
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Roger, it's the end of the season so I'm going to indulge in just one more
very minor FLAME. Yes of course Alabama is #1, but really, take a good
hard look at your computer's opinion - isn't it possible that the PAC Ten
has been over-rated just a tiny bit? Of course I'm referring to
Washington's being rated #4 with 3 losses, three places ahead of Michigan,
a team with no losses and a team to whom they lost and therefore are not
better than. Forgetting for the moment that Stanford, with 3 losses, is
probably over-rated as well, I'd also like to point out that the inclusion
of Arizona and USC (especially!) in the top 25 seems to be, well,
outrageously imbecilic - they only won half their games! Is this bias, or
what?!?! I remember a day, long ago, when I had a lot of respect for your
computer, i.e. when Michigan was #1 :-). Oh, well, your computer can't always
be right (it's not an Apple IIe is it?).

Gerald West
National University of Singapore
elpwestg@nuscc.nus.sg
"O never say that I was false of heart,
Though absence seemed my flame to qualify."  - Shakespeare, Sonnet 109
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From: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy D. McConnell)
Subject: J, J, & J - Conspicuous in their absense
Keywords: Have they unsubscribed?!
Reply-To: guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com (Guy McConnell)
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:20:17 GMT

    Apparently, some of Miami's most vocal athletic supporters are following
coach Erickson's example and dropping out of sight.  We have heard nothing from
my beloved purveyors of fact and wisdom, The Three "J's" since The Truth was
made known unto them.  Ah yes, the air is clean since the trash-talk was so
convincingly silenced on all quarters.  Don't feel too badly fellows.  It was
only a matter of time.  As Lamar found out, live by the lip, die by the lip.
Humility is a dish that, when accepted purposely and knowingly, is not too hard
to stomach and is good for you.  When a whole bowl-full is force fed to an
unwilling diner, it has been known to cause severe nausea before its beneficial
effects become evident.

--
Guy McConnell  guy@mspe5.b11.ingr.com  or  ...uunet!ingr!b11!mspe5!guy
             "It's all a blur."  --Whatshisname
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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: Big East Review: RUTGERS
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:12:26 GMT

In article <yvonne.726779755@well.sf.ca.us>, yvonne@well.sf.ca.us (Yvonne Lee) writes:
|> >> Bob once wrote:
|> >> 
|> >> >4. The last-second win over Virginia Tech showed the team's ability
|> >> >to win games in "crunch time."  One of the most thrilling victories
|> >> >since RU 6, Princeton 4 (in 1869).
|> >> 
|> >How about telling us about the 1972 game.
|> 
|> I didn't attend the 1972 game, but the story has it that Rutgers was up 7-0,
|> but Princeton scored a TD in the final seconds.  Some zealous RU fans (you,
|> Bob?) tore down the goalpost to prevent Princeton from kicking the PAT.  The
|> conversion attempt failed, and RU prevailed, but it may be just one of those
|>  stories.

Interesting.  In this year's chapter of RU's thrilling victories, some 
zealous Hokie fans (possibly me?) tried to prevent Rutgers fans from 
storming the field so as to force Rutgers to attempt to kick the PAT
and have someone from Virginia Tech (PAT specialist John Rivers) block 
the attempt and run the ball back for some points to win the game.

But it may be just one of those stories...

|> yvonne_lee@infoworld.com   (preferred email reply address)

"$#!+, not again!"     - me   on 10/31/92
"Outta my way, Hokie!" - them on 10/31/92

-- 

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From: marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson)
Subject: Re: Dallas Morning Enqui--- 'er News
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:15:22 GMT
Organization: IBM, Austin

In article <C0pDFx.A6F@trc.amoco.com> zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:
>What?  Hasn't any of you heard that the DMN published another story about
>Greg Hill?  He supposedly worked the week that A&M was preparing for 
>Florida State in last years Cotton Bowl...  Not only that, but he 
>supposedly worked 2 different jobs!!!  Of course this was front page
>news for the DMN, not so in many other local papers.  It seems that 
>some of the other papers in the state are kinda taking what the DMN
>says with a grain of salt.  The article in the Houston Chronicle this
>weekend had a kind of guarded wording.  I have heard that one of the
>San Antonio papers was the same.  Anyone else see anything about the 
>DMN article in any of the other Texas papers.
>
>Beat the Hell outta the Dallas Morning News!!!
>
>cmuck ('89 forever!, maybe one day I will graduate....)   

The Austin American-Statesman placed the story on page 3 of a recent sports
section.  There is more reason for it to be in a more pronounced place in the
Dallas Morning News than in other papers - the players are all from the Dallas
area, and the housing project is in the Dallas area.  The first booster
being investigated is being investigated for some sort of fraud, since the
allegations are that he paid people (who happened to be A&M football players)
using government funds for work that might not have been done.  (Is that 
guarded wording enough?)  The more recent allegation is that Greg Hill was
being paid by two boosters at the same time, and on at least one day that A&M
was practicing.

If the Dallas Morning News is correct, then you only have your boosters and
the players to blame.  The News has been at the forefront of ferreting out
SWC violators in the last several years, so don't feel that A&M is being 
picked on.  If the allegations prove to be true, place at least 99% of the
blame on the boosters who (almost certainly) knew that they were violating
NCAA rules (and the law in this case) and the players who took the money.
Whether or not college athletes are treated unfairly or otherwise exploited
by their respective universities is another discussion.  As far as a "grain
of salt" goes, I guess that's a little bit wishful thinking.  If it were
completely unsubstantial, A&M wouldn't have suspended the 4 players.

As far as the accuracy has gone so far, I believe that originally 6 players 
were being looked at, and 4 were suspended by A&M (Jessie Cox and someone else
were apparently not involved).  The report that the players were paid
year-round has been denied from the beginning and hasn't come up as a subject
recently.
-- 
Marc Stephenson	           IBM AWS (Advanced Workstations & Systems - Austin,TX)
DISCLAIMER: The content of this posting is independent of official IBM position.
INTERNET->marc@austin.ibm.com      VNET: MARC at AUSVMQ        IBM T/L: 678-3189
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From: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman)
Subject: Re: All Hail The TIDE !!!
Reply-To: tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com  
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:58:31 GMT

In article <aggie-040193124820@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu>, aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (I R A Aggie) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan4.163655.10300@infonode.ingr.com>, tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com
|> (Tony Bowman) wrote:
|> 
|> > 	PLEASE respond if you can think of anything to say !!!!
|> 
|> Yeah, I can. Take away two of Gino's errors (the two INT's in the 3rd
|> quarter), and it becomes *anyones* ball game.
|> 
	WRONG.  BAMA DOMINATED FROM KICKOFF TO FINAL GUN !!!! GINO (who)
	mistakes came from pressure.  Miami (this is important) was 
	NEVER IN THE GAME. NEVER. PERIOD !!!!!  END OF DISCUSSION.

|> But that's life, and Bama got/made the breaks. And took *full* advantage
|> of them. Kudos to Stallings. At least one Aggie figured out a way to
|> win. Don't credit the Aggies with this.  Stalling was a 'BAMA boy first!
|> 
|> Enjoy the MNC. Soon it will be next season, and last season's MNC will
|> be meaningless. Is it true a lot of your experienced D will graduate
|> to the NFL?
|> 
	wrong again my hurricane friend.  This one will go down in
	history as the greatest ass-wuppin of all time.

	As for THE "D", next year is when they were really suppose to be
	good.  We shall see, but until then we have braggin' rights !!!!!
|> One question, what was the deal on Lassic's unsportsmanlike penalty?
|> In the stands it was thought that Lassic had said something, is that
|> so? I know Stallings was really chewing up the refs on it!
|> 
	I too was in the stands, in the Miami section no less. I was
	told it was because he spun the ball in the end zone thinking
	he had scored.  It was a penalty.  Miami did the exact same thing
	after their ONLY touchdown and there was no flag.
|> James

	ch"A"mps	34
	ch"UM"ps	13

	ROOOOOOOOOLLL TIDE ROLL !!!!

           Tony(braggin' only cause we now have the right)Bowman
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From: owen@ducvax.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: Bama recruits by Curry; was: Miami strategy?
Organization: Auburn University, AL
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:19:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.143547.2986@b11.b11.ingr.com>, gibson@b11.b11.ingr.com (Stanley) writes:
> In article <1993Jan4.211053.9348@leland.Stanford.EDU> daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao) writes:
>>
>>Can someone post again which of Alabama's starters on defense were
>>recruited by Stallings and which were recruited by Stallings'
>>predecessor, Curry? 
> 
There was an interesting point made by one of the guys one, I think,
ESPN about Curry.  Three years after Curry left Georgia Tech, they
won a (partial) MNC (with seniors he recruited).  Three years after
Curry left Bama, they win the MNC (again with Curry-recruited seniors).
Look for Kentucky to win the MNC 3 years after Curry leaves ;-).

Larry Owen

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From: ash@ulysses.mr.ams.com (Alan Harder)
Subject: Re: Conference Strength
Organization: American Math. Society
	<TQc=BD+@engin.umich.edu> <1993Jan4.171933.12461@infonode.ingr.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:26:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan4.171933.12461@infonode.ingr.com> tjb@emt.b17c.ingr.com (Tony Bowman) writes:

   >In article <TQc=BD+@engin.umich.edu>, hpang@engin.umich.edu (Ho Sun Pang) writes:
   >>|> In article <1993Jan4.132630.13234@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
   >|> >
   >|> >
   >|> >So, let's see.  How did the conferences do in bowl games?  Something like
   >|> >
   >|> >
   >|> >SEC    5 out of 6
   >|> >ACC    3 out of 4
   >|> >PAC10  2 out of 6

Well, lookkee there, the Big Ten won 1 out of 3, so that's the same
percentage as the Pac 10!

	   >My dear Mr. Pang,  The conference with 5 of 6 wins was playing
	   >the best of the rest.  The best go to bowls.  The SEC sent
	   >SIX count them 6 teams and all but one won !!  That says only
	   >one thing,  SEC has the best conference this year !!! Period.
	   >END OF DISCUSSION !!!

Two comments:

1.  The Big 10 had the same winning percentage as the Pac 10 in bowl
    games.  By your reasoning, then, the Big 10 is as good as the Pac
    10 this year.  Hogwash.  We know that isn't true.  It's easy to
    take whatever statistic that proves your point and forget the
    rest.

2.  "END OF DISCUSSION !!!", NOT!  If you think your sayso will end
    the discussion in this group, try again.  There's no more
    football, so discussion of this and other meaningless topics are
    the only fun we have left!




-Alan Harder                
 Go Blue!                   

 My opinions are not the opinions of the American Mathematical Society.
 Did you think they were?

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From: kevink@fugitive.soac.bellcore.com (Kevin Klinge)
Subject: Re: My Bowl Thoughts
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 14:33:00 GMT

In article <1idclnINNb26@shelley.u.washington.edu>, wessir@shelley.u.washington.edu (bill the cat) writes:
|> In article <5JAN199313501992@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
|> >Everyone else posted their comments, so here are mine.
|> 
|> >6 Long live Keith Jackson!  And may Brent Musburger be fired again.
|> Keith Jackson?!?  That guy's got alzheimers!  He is one of the WORST announcers
|> I have EVER had the misfortune to hear!  Musberger is far better,  at least
|> he doesn't make stupid mistakes like calling the teams by the wrong name like
|> he did in the UW AZ game.  Jeers to all the announcers who mindlessly read
|> from a script!  You must like him because he was the bearer of good news.  He's
|> no quality announcer.  

I'm not surprised this reply came from a Washington address, considering
how pro-Washington Musburger was during the Rose Bowl.  When I found out
earlier on NYD that Keith Jackson was doing the Sugar Bowl, I immediately
cringed at the thought that ABC would stick us with Brent during the Rose.
Unfortunately, my worse thoughts were confirmed.

Not even Bo in the booth could offset the pro-Washington slant that Brent 
took in broadcasting that game.  Did you notice how many times Brent called 
the WRONG PLAY from what actually happened on the field?  

Example: late in the game during a key Washington drive, Brunnel throws 
an incompletion on a key play of a drive.  Brent, with voice so annoyingly
raised, called the play a first down.  Vermiel had to tell him Michigan
broke the play up.  But it was too late, it was obvious what Brent wanted
to see.  

I also find Brent's blatant voice inflection especially annoying.  One
play, Brunnel throws over the middle of the field for about ten yards,
and Brent is talking and raisING HIS VOICE LIKE, FOLKS, ITS GOING FOR A 
TOUCHDOWN!!!

Don't believe me?  Rewatch the tape, and you'll hear it for yourself.
I'd take Keith Jackson over Brent anyday.  At least his mistakes in the
booth are honest ones and not the result of any team biases.

|>                        Marv Albert is the king!

Hmm, well that explains alot too.  You're a Bulls fan, right?

|> wessir

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From: black@jazz.concert.net (Rob Black)
Subject: A Wolfpack fan reflects....
Organization: MCNC Center for Communications -- CONCERT Network
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:19:14 GMT

Ya know, if there's one thing I enjoy it's driving 7 hours and blowing 300
bucks to see your team get it's butt kicked!

I must say, hats off to the Florida Gators, they played a great game. I
honestly don't know what happened with my Wolfpack. Not to take anything
away from Florida, but the the NC State that showed up in the fog was hardly
the same team that went 9-2-1 on the regular season.

I didn't think State's defense played that bad, it's just that they were on
the field for so long 'cause our offense couldn't do a damn thing. I think
our play calling sucked. The 2 times we had the ball deep in Florida territory
in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, we got a whopping 3 points. And as much as I love
Coach Sheridan, I'll never figure out being down 3 scores in the 4th, having
the ball near midfield, and not going for it on 4th down!! What do you have to
lose???

I am slightly peeved at Spurrier. That last touchdown was totally uncalled
for. I mean, less than 2 minutes, up by 17 and he says he didn't think the
lead was safe??? Gimme a break! But then, everyone knows Spurrier likes
to run the score up.

Well, I am at work so I'd better do some. or maybe I'll go over to the
basketball newsgroup and whine about how bad Carolina will kill State on
Thursday!


Rob "at least we beat Carolina 5 times and got a higher final ranking" Black
From: tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Quit pickin' on the poor 'Canes
Date: 8 Jan 93 14:28:00 GMT
Organization: Racal-Milgo, Sunrise, Florida

murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy) writes:

>>Now, was that a woof?  Isn't this just the kind of thing all you classy fans
>>from that Most Classy Institution find so repulsive from us barbaric trash-
>>talking thugs from Miami?  Nah, it couldn't be. 
>>
>>tonyf@rm1.interlan.com (Tony Fernandez)
>
>no, it's not a woof, because they won.

>dpm

Well, the originial message which you conveniently removed was a woof because
it was talking about next year (which they haven't won yet):

}harbinjm@infonode.ingr.com (Mitch Harbin) writes:
}>Coach Stallings has said that next year should be our year.  That along with
}>the CANDY Canes losses to graduation means that you don't really want no mo'
}>of the TIDE.  If might just be a worse ASS KICKING next time.

-- 

Tony L. Fernandez

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From: wyborsr@wl.com (Russ Wyborski)
Subject: ND recruiting
Organization: Warner Lambert / Parke-Davis
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:37:08 GMT

	Does anyone have a list of players who have given verbal committments
to ND? Although they are non-binding it does give an indication in how the
recruiting is going.
	Ron Powles is scheduled to visit this coming weekend. Supposedly he
was interested in ND, Miami, and Penn State (My order, not his). While it would
be great to have him I think that the Holtz offense doesn't depend on the
passing ability of a QB like a Miami. That's why I am more concerned about 
getting RBs than QBs.  Also it is crucial to get a quality kicker like the kid
from Colorado. I guess he is also a baseball player who has been misinformed that ND is going to be dropping their baseball program. That would be funny since it just got to the NCAA playoffs last yearand they are building a new stadium.
I'm sure that it was just an honest mistake by some other schools representative.

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