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From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Portland offers Mario Elie big pay increase
Date: 12 Aug 1992 21:59:30 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Aug12.040550.15982@techbook.com> jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele) writes:
|
|
|But with a pure shooter in Murray and a slasher in Elie, it's hard to
|see where Johnson can fit it.
|
|
What's the problem?  David Johnson is a hell of a slasher who showed
good skills from 3 pt. range in his senior year.  He also plays excellent
defense.  The question in my mind is "Why Elie?".
|
|Didn't see Kennedy, although his numbers and attitude are both supposed
|to be good ...
|
Is this the guy from Penn State?  IF so, he definitely has an NBA body.
Impressed me in the NCAAs two years ago.

Rick


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From: med50005@nusunix3.nus.sg (TAN CHOON KIAT)
Subject: Games per season
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 06:41:50 GMT

Being new to this newsgroup...

A couple of questions...

1. How many games does an NBA team play each season?  (is it 82 ?)
2. Of these ?82? games, how many are against teams in the same
conference?  How many against teams in the opposite conference?
eg.  How many times do the Lakers play the Suns, (same conf) or
the Pistons (opposite conf) a year?

D
3.  Is Magic ever coming back to play with the Lakers (I've been hearing
rumours all months long) to bring back his old "magic"?

Nigel
From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 13:15:42 GMT

In article <23581@oasys.dt.navy.mil> swilliam@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Williams) writes:
> > So here's my team from NC:
> > 
> >        Starters                       Backups
> > C   Brad Daugherty      Charles Shackleford  Kenny Gattison
> > PF  Buck Williams       Danny Manning        Rodney Rogers
> > SF  James Worthy        Dominique Wilkins
> > SG  Michael Jordan      Walter Davis
> > PG  Nate McMillan       Danny Young
>
>It seems that everyone has forgotten about David Thompson and Tommy
>Burleson who are NC natives, played high school basketball in NC, and 
>starred on the NC State's 1974 National Championship team?  :-(

No, I didn't forget about them, but I saw them play in the "Hot Hoops"
three-on-three basketball tournament in Raleigh last year, and I don't
think they deserve to be on the team.  They were playing in the over-35
division.  I saw their first game against a bunch of gray-haired guys
and they didn't look too impressive, except for Burleson, who is still
tall but had trouble making a layup.  They probably warmed up as the
tournament went on, because I think they did win their division.  They
would not have won the open division.

I was only considering current players.  Among other old-timers to consider
would be Phil Ford, Bob McAdoo, and Bobby Jones.
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From: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs)
Subject: Where is Derek Harper?
Reply-To: bz978@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles E Gibbs) 
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 02:19:43 GMT


The last I heard from DH, he had submitted a list of teams to the Dallas
management that he wanted to be traded to.  Anything come of that?


Any while I'm at it, what happened to Dale Davis?  He was 13th pick in the
'91 draft to Indiana, but I lost track of him.  Did he go to Europe, 
or did he sign and choke like most draft picks.

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From: kettler@pierre.mit.edu (KETTLER, THOMAS R.)
Subject: Re: Roberts can't be traded!
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  
Organization: MIT Lab for Nuclear Science
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 20:56:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.154443.53257@uvmark.uucp>, davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)              writes...
>In article <92231.073725KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu> KRB104@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>>
>>   In Stanley Roberts offer sheet was a no-trade clause, so all this
>>speculation is for nothing, unless Stanley wants to leave.  This year was the
>>nastiest as far as offer sheets that we have seen.  The Knicks front loaded
>>their offer with Harvey Grant, to mess with the Bullets salary cap and the
>>Mavericks pull the no-trade stunt on Orlando.
> 
>From what I understand, it isn't a "no-trade" clause, in that he can't be 
>traded, but more that he has the right of refusal of any trade, and that he
>can't be traded unless he agrees to it.

No, this isn't right. The rules are whenever a restricted free agent gets an 
offer from a team which is then matched by his original team, then the original 
team may not trade the player to the team making an offer from a year. However, 
nothing prevents the original team from trading the player to a third team. In 
fact, there was talk that after the Heat matched the Lakers' offer to Sherman 
Douglas and then traded him to the Celtics, that the Celtics would trade Douglas
to the Lakers. According to the rules, there is nothing illegal in doing 
something like this.

					Sincerely yours,

					Thomas R. Kettler "Sixers Fanatic"
From: wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Retraction, regarding Karl Malone
Date: 20 Aug 1992 12:55:23 -0500
Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

What was the reasoning behind declaring George McGinnis ineligible
for the top power forward contest?  He played power forward for the
Sixers and was a damn good one!  I think Clemon Johnson and Caldwell
Jones were the centers for the Sixers back then.  Maybe Darrell
Dawkins, too.

My vote for top power forward goes to Buck Williams.  He performed
miracles for NJ.  If Barkley is eligible, it's no contest.
Charles is the best power player.\

Rick
From: baker2668@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: S. Roberts: Trade Bait??
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:41:19 -0500
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Now that the Magic's Stanley Roberts is officially "trade-bait",  I was
wondering what offers the Magic have been hearing for him.  Or do the Magic
plan on playing the twin towers?  Would this work in the NBA?

Well, I think the Magic will trade Roberts is on the block and I love to
speculate on these things, so here goes.  I believe that the Bulls should make
a run at Roberts by offering Armstrong, Williams and a future draft choice.  I
thing it makes sense for the Bulls but I am sure others would think it's too
much (or too little?)

How about this possibility?:   Armstrong and the rights for Kukoc in exchange
for Roberts.  Of course this will depend on Kukoc signing a NBA contract but
this deal might tempt Kukoc.  He would get the starting position he covets and
he would get the chance to play along side the Shaq.  I only make this
suggestion because I do not believe that the Bulls will be able to sign Kukoc
in the near future.

BBB
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From: markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205)
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Organization: Bell Northern Research Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:46:04 GMT

In article <6bgZ03gl591W00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>	North Carolina  
>	 Starter      Backup
>C:  Daugherty    S. Williams 
>PF: Bailey       Reid
>SF: Worthy
>SG: Jordan
>PG: ?????        Bogues? 

S.Williams came from California and Reid came from Virginia Beach, VA.

One possible NC lineup would be...

C:   Brad Daugherty (Black Mountain, NC)
PF:  James Worthy (Gastonia, NC)
SF:  Dominique Wilkins (Washington, NC)
SG:  Eric "Sleepy" Floyd (Gastonia, NC)
PG:  Michael Jordan (Wilmington, NC)

-- 
Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
Bell Northern Research, Inc.
From: jerryo@pdx103 (Jerry Orleck)
Subject: Re: The Olympics ANd The Dream Team
Organization: Intel Corp., Hillsboro, Oregon
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 23:55:23 GMT


>And where did the USA boys get those egos from? After Magic and Stockton
>the rest basically acted like 2 year olds.

This needs a lot of explanation.  What did Mullin, Drexler, Malone, Ewing,
Robinson, Bird, or Laetner do that in your opinion had them acting like two year
olds?


-- 

Jerry Orleck                                  

jerryo@ichips.intel.com
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Bird is retiring
Date: 19 Aug 92 19:33:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: bu.94068
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


Speaking about season ticket holders, didn't Dave Gavitt state that the organization was willing to refund them to those who'd want it?
Igor
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: BI-WEEKLY POSTING: Data available on FTP sites.
Originator: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Las Hermanas de Nuestra Senora de los Pepinares
Distribution: net
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 09:00:27 GMT

There is a bunch of NBA and NFL data -- stats, records, game scores,
schedules (INCLUDING 1992/93 schedules!) -- available for public FTP
on wuarchive.wustl.edu.  (Also known as ftp.wustl.edu, internet
address 128.252.135.4) You can access the data through anonymous FTP.
To do so, type:
	ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu
and then enter "anonymous" as the user-id, and your e-mail address
as the password.  Once in there, switch to the directory of your
choice.  For NFL scores, the directory is
	/pub/nfl-scores
For NBA stuff (so much more than just scores), it's
	/doc/misc/nbastats/facts
Both directories contain a README file, which will tell you more
about the available data.

The details of the FTP program may be system-dependent.  If in
doubt, consult your system administrators.  Enjoy!

--Gidi

PS:  Lots of thanks to Washington University at St. Louis.
From: jamesd@techbook.com (James Deibele)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Olympic Uniform - Reebok
Date: 12 Aug 92 04:33:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: techbook.1992Aug12.043300.16875
Organization: TECHbooks of Beaverton Oregon - Public Access Unix

Richard.S.Miyara@dartmouth.edu (Richard S. Miyara) writes:

>During the DT's gold medal award ceremony, I was very concious about
>looking for the Reebok symbol on the uniforms.  Because Jordan had the
>flag draped over his right shoulder, I assumed that the Reebok logo
>must have been there.  However, I never saw it.  Did anyone else notice
>the logo?

I didn't notice it on any of the player up top, just a small logo on the
top right side of their pants.  All of the DT players had their jackets
unzipped to the navel, which is the opposite of most of the other people
who were getting medals.  They were showing the logo, but in all the
cases I noticed, it was relatively small and hard to object to.

It's interesting that Nike did not say "please wear the warmups in the
interest of harmony" and that Reebok did not say "we don't care if you
wear the damn things".   At least they didn't come out in public and
weep crocodile tears, the way the "Team USA" or FIBA people did.

But then I've already said that I think a lot of the Olympic "spirit" is
bullshit.

--
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From: rudwick@rock.pkg.mcc.com (Tom Rudwick)
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Organization: Packaging/Interconnect, M.C.C.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:11:19 GMT

I'm probably missing some better players but:
Texas:
C	Shaquille O'Neal
F	Larry Johnson
F	Cadillac Anderson
G	Clyde Drexler
G	Spud Webb

By the way, David Robinson was born in Florida, but I don't
know how long he lived there.
-- 
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 Tom Rudwick   MCC High Value Electronics Division   rudwick@mcc.com
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From: sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: To Meeks and Lor
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:43:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bt8rw3.BAG
Reply-To: sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter)
Organization: National Center for Supercomputing Applications

Why dont you guys flame away on email, and not waste bandwidth/time/space
on this newsgroup?  

Or better yet:  why dont you two get each other's phone number, and then
spend the next 2 months doing nothing but flaming each other person to 
person???

At this point your argument has NOTHING to do with basketball, its just
a bunch of personal insults and other childish immature bullshit.
FOR GOD SAKES WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do your selves a favor and just drop the silly argument.  Its not like
anyone in the entire world cares about the outcome of it....
From: martyp@engin.umich.edu (Martin Pochmara)
Subject: Re: All North Carolina team
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 17:00:32 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

>        In reply to someone elses areticle (deleted by mistake), Jordon, Worthy 
>and
>Brad Daugherty all grew up in North Carolina, along with Dominique Wilkins and
>Chucky Brown.  I would take that starting five over anything Michigan or
>Indiana can offer.  I'm sure there are mnay others in the NBA from N.C., but
>I'm new down here.
>
>Bill Perry
>
Look, I don't want to start a flame war or anything, but a starting
five from Michigan and Indiana would be very comparable to the starting
five from NC....

How about: Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Glen Rice, Shawn Kemp, and 
Steve Smith.....

And above that, how many players are currently in the pros from the
state of North Carolina?
I would bet less than ten......

Just last week, I posted a list from Michigan that had over twenty
CURRENT NBA players from the state. I believe that's more than 
almost all the states....maybe New York, California might have
more....It's definately more than North Carolina....
Does any statistics guru have a list of the states with the
most players in the NBA?

Don't ever start bad-talking Indiana or Michigan basketball. They 
brought two players to the game who made the NBA what it is today.
Magic and Bird.....now the current GOD is from NC....don't forget 
who put him there.......

				Marty
From: lor@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (edward.lor)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Australias would heve beaten dream team
Date: 19 Aug 92 21:08:34 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Aug18.215633.3122@cs.ucla.edu> lange@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Trent Lange) writes:
>>Here's a dollar, go buy a clue..
>
>Funny, Dave -- none of us knew you had a dollar to spare...
Exactly, Dave is saving a dollar per month to buy "Return to Glory". 
Since he has wasted this month's allocation on a clue. Too bad he
has to wait until April. 1994, instead of March, 1994, to check out
Johnny Most's call on DJ's jumper. 

-- 
                                          Edward Lor
                                          lor@cbnewsk.att.com
From: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: How about an All-Delaware (Dela-where?) team
Date: 18 Aug 1992 14:18:47 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bagheera.east.sun.com

How about:
  Terrence Stansbury, G (Newark High, Temple, Indiana Pacers)
  AJ English, G (Howard School, Virginia Union(?), Washington Bullets)

  ... uh... well what do expect from a state smaller than most cities?

We can throw in John Taylor (Delaware State, SF 49ers) and
Delino Deshields (Seaford High, Montreal Expos; he was recruited by Villanova
for hoops)

 ... I guess I still don't have a starting five, huh? OK, desperation shot,

  Vicki Huber (Concord High, Villanova, NCAA womens champion 3000m, 1988,
        1988 Olypian, 3000 m)

HA! Didn't think I could do it, did you?

-Bennet
From: Richard.S.Miyara@dartmouth.edu (Richard S. Miyara)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: it's official: Bird is gone
Date: 19 Aug 92 12:26:14 GMT
 <16847C435.MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH

In article <16847C435.MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>
MCMASTER@LSTC2VM.stortek.com writes:

> I will always treasure the memories of Larry's great years.  There will
> never be a smarter basketball player.  Thanks, Larry, and good luck.

Bob Ryan, Boston sportswriter, put it well when he said last night that
the world will see another Michael Jordan long before another Larry
Bird.  The Boston area TV stations ran a couple of highlight films /
specials last night.  After watching Larry struggle though the recent
back problems, it was great to see how special he truly was.  During
one segment, they showed "buzzer beating - game winning" shots - many
of them.  I had almost forgotten how spectacular Bird's game had been.

The other clip I found interesting was Bird's answer to why he was one
of the only ones looking at the flag during the national anthem.  His
answer was that he was not looking at the flag, but rather at Bobby
Orr's retired number.  It had served as inspiration.  It made me think
about how lucky we Boston fans have been to have had so many
"mega-stars" grace our sports scene.  I anxiously anticipate the next.

Rich Miyara
From: ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Bird retires
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:20:23 GMT
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.

I just heard that the Celtics are holding a press conference
at noon EST today to say that Larry Bird is retiring.

-- 
        Ellie Cutler

        ellie@ora.com               
        uunet!ora!ellie
From: patrick@is.rice.edu (Patrick L. Humphrey)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Games per season
Date: 14 Aug 92 07:46:41 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rice University

In article <1992Aug14.064150.2933@nuscc.nus.sg>, med50005@nusunix3.nus.sg (TAN CHOON KIAT) writes:
>Being new to this newsgroup...
>
>A couple of questions...
>
>1. How many games does an NBA team play each season?  (is it 82 ?)

Right -- it's 82.

>2. Of these ?82? games, how many are against teams in the same
>conference?  How many against teams in the opposite conference?
>eg.  How many times do the Lakers play the Suns, (same conf) or
>the Pistons (opposite conf) a year?

A team will play every team in the other conference twice (one home, one away)
and play the remaining games within its own conference.  This means the
Western Conference teams play 54 games within their conference and the Eastern
teams play 56 (since the Eastern has 14 teams to the Western's 13).

>3.  Is Magic ever coming back to play with the Lakers (I've been hearing
>rumours all months long) to bring back his old "magic"?
>
>Nigel

I can't see him coming back for long, if he does return -- the 82-game NBA
schedule, with all its rigors, is far more stressful than the eight-game
Olympic tournament...

-- 
Patrick L. Humphrey  (patrick@is.rice.edu)  Rice Networking & Computing Systems
     +1 713 528-3626 at Rice. 776-1541 at home. 667-6554 at Palace Lanes. 
                           I love my country.
                     I *don't* trust my government.
From: ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: The All "Home-State" Team?
Date: 14 Aug 92 04:20:50 GMT
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <1992Aug13.180016.10576@pdn.paradyne.com> lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
>In article <eci=03Kx599J00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> ronnie@uts.amdahl.com (Ronnie Townsend) writes:
>>>>
>>>Ok, here goes (I'm from Florida too, but I'll take a shot at NC also)...
>>>
>>>FLORIDA		starter			backup
>>>
>>>Center		Dave Cowens		Artis Gilmore (Jacksonville)
>>		^^^^^^^^^^^^^		^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>I was trying to use guys who we could still send out to play today. 
>
>Unless this is going to be played on "Love Tron", I don't believe that
>you can send Darryl Dawkins out to play today.  Because he was on your
>team, I took it to indicate that it was an all-time team.

Well isn't Darryl still doing 25/15 (ppg/rpg) over in the Italian league 
on an annual basis. Still making their all-star game? 

I'll admit I may have lost rack of DD since moving to CA but I did read in 
SI very recently that he was tearing up the Euro-League. Anybody got an 
update on that? 



-- 
Ronnie
-------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not cynical... I just don't believe in anything....
From: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM (Bennet Ih - Sun BOS Hardware - Sunergy)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Debunking the standard myth was Re: Couple of thoughts..
Date: 14 Aug 1992 22:03:31 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC
Distribution: world
Reply-To: bih@bagheera.East.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bagheera.east.sun.com

> But Jordan is the exception rather than the rule. In fact, the majority of
> black players in the NBA just like the majority of white players in the NBA
> need their teammates to set picks, position themselves, and run the play
> correctly for them to get a shot off. Ergo my claim that black players need
> to be just as good at cutting, passing, and running the play as running and
> jumping to be successful in the NBA. This has nothing to do with your skin
> color. 

Oops. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply this was another skin color issue. I chose my
example (Jordan vs Ainge in 1992 NBA finals) poorly. I should have chosen
Mark Price running past John Bagley in the Celtics-Cavs series or maybe 
Hardaway vs almost anyone. I was just trying to point out that speed does
have it's advantages in this game.

Anyway, you're right, as far as the NBA is concerned, the level of play is so
high you have to be a multi-dimensional player to be successful. I'm not
saying that players can succeed in the NBA on speed/jumping alone. But here
is a question for anyone who is still interested (probably not many)... do you think
a coach is more inclined to take a skilled but not very physical player in and hope
he becomes stronger and faster or does he take an raw, unpolished athlete
and hope to turn him into a ball player? Makes for an interesting decision,
doesn't it?

-Bennet
From: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: All North Carolina team
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:12:14 GMT
Reply-To: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: cmgrawbu@c00381-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu


Hey!!

Don't forget James Worthy!!!!!


Chris
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