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From: vprasad@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Help Madras IIT Ph. No Reqd (Urgent)
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:41:48 EST
Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services

SHANKAR@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Subramanian Shankar) writes:
> Hi Netters,
>           I have a prof in my dept. who likes to talk to a potential
> student at IIT Madras.  Does anybody know the general number of
> IIT Madras or better still of IIT Madras Metallurgy Dept.  Even a
> Fax. no would do.
>         I am not from IIT Mds.  So if anyone can help Please respond.
>                                     Jai
> 
> 

	Hello,

	I do not know if this helps, the phone numbers of Godavari and
	Narmada hostels at IIT Madras are (44)2351902 and (44)2351452
	respectively. If you can afford to waste some money on the phone,
	call these numbers and ask any student who responds to give you
	the numbers you want to know - a telephone directory will be
	usually hanging at the site of these telephones. Usually a 
	watchman will respond to you, ask for any arbitrary room number,
	and then ask that student your questions - none of the watchmen 
	have any speaking skills in English, at IIT Madras.
	[At Narmada, the room numbers run from 1-64, 101-164 and 201-264.
	At Godavari, they are 101-164, 201-264, 301-364. Those are the
	numbers on each floor of the hostel - each hostel has 3 floors.]

	This may sound bizzarre - but if you haven't received help from
	somebody else more direct to your need, try this scheme. Does the
	professor in question know which hostel the student lives in?
	Could it be one of the above two?

	I have relatives in these two hostels - which is how I know these
	numbers. 

	Siva Prasad.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: masroor@human.ai.kyushu-u.ac.jp (Muhammad Masroor Ali)
Subject: Re: spelling formula (joke) :-)
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci. and Comm. Eng., Kyushu Univ., Fukuoka, Japan
    GMT
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 01:56:45 GMT
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In article <1992Nov11.213428.3881@news2.cis.umn.edu> pavan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (A.Pavan) writes:

>*****************************************************************

	Joke deleted

>*****************************************************************


This is one of the best jokes I have seen in my life
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    Department of Computer Science and Communication Engineering
    Faculty of Engineering, Kyushu University
    Fukuoka, 812 JAPAN
From: udumudi@gingko (u v babu srinivas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Kahlil Gibran
Date: 10 Nov 92 00:18:46 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
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: You do your thing
: I'll do my thing
: I'm not in this world to live upto your expectations
: You're not in this world to live upto mine
: You are you
: I am I

                                                    -- srinivas
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: prabhak@giga.cs.umn.edu (Satya Prabhakar)
Subject: Re: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context.
Keywords: Clinton's victory-in the Indian context
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 17:22:20 GMT

(RAI Ranjan) writes:
>  President elect Bill Clinton does not have a foreign policy to speak of.  
>His toughness with "Human Rights abuses" was most likely election rhetoric,
>and even if it was not, I do not see why India should be worried if he is
>a staunch supporter of human rights.

India has one of the best human rights records in the third world. India
is one of the few countries which did not lend itself to mindless despots.
US CANNOT AFFORD TO ALIENATE the third world. Period. If it does prefer
some countries based on human rights record, then India will reap the 
bounty big time. 
>  In my opinion George Bush is a foreign policy genius, and I do not use 
>that term loosely.  India's best interests would have been served if Bush won
>a second term.  This notion that most Indians in this part of the world have
>that it is the Democrats who are the "friends" of India and the Republicans
>who are India's "enemies" is pure fiction. 
>  My "HOPE" is that Clinton does not screw up the foreign policy initatives 
>started by Bush.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out the promise and potential India
has to offer. India is a megatrend, any which way you look at it. 
Presidents are ruled by megatrends. Not vice-versa.

Over the next 10 years US can ignore India only at its own peril.

Satya Prabhakar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
From: uc@cbnews.cb.att.com (umakanta.choudhury)
Subject: visa question
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:20:49 GMT


I will greatly appreciate it, if someone
can provide me with info regarding traveling
to India on F2 status. I am on F1 practical 
training now and have a valid EAD card which
expires in next April. My wife has F2 visa. 
Will she have any trouble at port of 
entry in USA if she travels to India? Since I have
left the school I can not get any authorization
on I-20 form. Does she need to show the 
copy of I-20 or EAD card or both at port of entry ?

Moreover, if I want to apply for H1 
do I have to wait till she comes back ?

Please respond to choudhur@ic.Berkeley.EDU

Thanks a lot in advance

-Umakanta Choudhury
From: hshah@pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu (Hemesh Shah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: H1-Question
Date: 12 Nov 92 22:33:48 GMT
Organization: Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA
NNTP-Posting-Host: pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu

Hi Guys!!

I had a question which many of us might be interested in:

The question is Suppose I were to complete one degree and go on for
another one and in the mean time I got a job and they are prepared
to file my H-1 (directly), is there any binding that I should complete
the second degree. 

Please mail me at this address or
hshah@garnet.bucknell.edu

Thanks in advance

Hemesh
From: ravi@sequoia.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Ravi Narayan and FFT
Date: 10 Nov 1992 01:27:33 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: juniper.wpi.edu

In article <1dmcmdINNka1@aludra.usc.edu>, fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:
|> 
|> |> 1] Personal prerogative.
|> |> 2] "I don't have to comment on everyone. I feel like commenting only
|> |>     about Sridhar.".
|> 
|> 	don't these two points mean the same thing?
|> 
|> No, you're not very good at logic wars. The prerogative part pertains to 
|> wimping as being your birthright. The second one refers to your inability
|> veiled with a standard trick.

	isnt it my prerogative to keep my inabilities to myself?
	who needs logic wars when plain old stupidity is doing so
	well!!!

|> Your syntax is all wrong. it should be, " we clowns of wpi do share a tendency
|> to be tickled". And why this sudden change to the collective? 

	its your semantics and not my syntax that begs correction!

|> 	again you commit the same error! i said posts from wpi, not
|> 	from doki!
|> 
|> :) And for all of Ravi Narayan's efforts, wpi and Doki have become synonymous

	you are welcome to your misconceptions ;-)

|> 	well if you wish to be arguementative then you got to face
|> 	all the trash and gems (as in what is sauce for the goose)
|> 	with equanimity or construct a kill file ;-)
|>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> And what happens to your right to be heard? hee hee :) seems like the roles
|> have been reversed.

	see the smiley at the end of the part you highlighted???
	i hate this... i know i said i wanted to educate you folks ;-)
	but i wasnt exactly thinking of kindergarten!

	peace,

	- ravi

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Subject: Re: RAMAJANAM BHUMI: AYODHYA-New Archaeological Discoveries
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:33:15 GMT

>	If that is the only objective don't you think "Lal Qila", "Taj
>	Mahal", and "Jama Masjid" will serve the purpose better.

No, Tajmahala and Lalkella was built by Jaisingh and Prithviraj so they
must stand (-:. Jama Masjid may go if it is proved to be the birthplace
of Krishna's son Pradyumna.



>> 
>>       So, it is all long term politics and those who argue about it in terms
>>       of the merits/demerits of Ram's birth place are kind of clueless about
>>       the games that are being played.
>> 
>	So finally it boils down to a game of politics.  Do these people
>	ever realize how many lives have been lost in this game, how many
>	have been rendered homeless, how they have sowed the seed of
>	ill-will between two communities living together for years, of
>	how this game is affecting the nation?  Let these people not
>	forget that games played on the religious lines won't last long.
Who cares: the financeers are sitting in USA and relieving the burden of
their guilt by supporting "HINDUTVA"
Arindam

Arindam Ghosh		(OFF) 713-743-4524
4402 Polk #3		(RES) 713-924-3069
Houston TX-77023

Asato ma sadgamaya, Tamaso ma jyotirgamaya,
mrityorma amritam gamaya,Om santi ssanti ssantihi.
[Lead me  from unreal to real
Lead me  from darkness to light,
Lead me from death to immortality,
Peace be upon the world]
This is the Day in which God's most excellent favors have been
poured out unto men, the Day in which His most mighty grace hath
been infused into all created things. It is incumbent upon all
peoples of the world to reconcile their differences, and, with
perfect unity and peace, abide beneath the shadow of the Tree
of His care and loving-kindness...Soon will the present-day order
be rolled up, and a new one spread out in its stead. Verily, thy
Lord speaketh the truth, and is the Knower of things unseen.
					Bahaullah


Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi)
Subject: An Open Letter To Sareer Fazili: Still Awaing Reply 
Organization: Enrico Fermi Institute, University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:59:41 GMT

Dear Mr. Sareer Fazili:

Recently you have advanced a lot of standard anti-Hindu and anti-Indian
lore. This letter is to clarify the broader world view within which your
mind operates. You seem to object to Hindus's treatment of Muslims,
to India's treatment of minorities, and of secessionist groups.

Despite a great deal of pretense on your part, your stand has nothing
to do with Kashmiris, it is about Islam. Many residents of Kashmir are
Hindu. They have been brutalized and evicted from their homes, if not
killed outright. Your posts have had nothing to say about such Kashmiris.
I assume that you have not been fighting overly hard to organize any
relief effort for them, or to restore their due rights.

So it is NOT about Kashmiris, but about Muslims.

And it is about the servant mentality, befitting a Black Englishman
like you: I assume that those Kashmiri Muslims who just can't bear to
live in a Hindu majority country like India, didn't blink twice before
seeking a visa to come to or live in US. Not a Muslim country, but heck
they are White over here; it's different back home.

OK, so let's talk about Hindus and India, keeping the Islamic dimension
in mind: Which Islamic countries could we strive to model our conduct
after? Are there any Islamic countries whose treatment of other religions,
of minorities, and of secessionist groups you particularly admire?

Why should India not treat a secessionist group how any other nation
treats such groups? Americans had their Civil War (I don't recall any
"plebicites" being held; nor is the decision regretted). Britain is
fighting hers in Ireland (no U.N. teams there). Saudis will skewer you
alive or electrocute you by flooding the Mosque sheltering you if you
suggested a "plebicite" in even one square yard of their country; or
have the Islamic standards for dealing with secession changed recently?

Please point to the Muslim countries whose treatment of other religions,
minorites, and secessionist groups you would have us emulate.

I can accept that we all have flaws and that you just might prefer to
talk about ours, not yours. But, other than that, where exactly, by
real life standards, are you coming from?

Regards,

Anil Trivedi

PS:
Personally, it does not matter to me if we are called SECULAR or not;
those are just labels. [But I used to know a few on s.c.i who would
shiver at the thought that someone might call them non-secular :-)]

However, I would fault ourselves greatly if we had failed to be kind
and giving to any person or group which had been so towards us, or is
so towards everyone. Have we?

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From: nkumar@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu (Naresh Kumar CHE Grad )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: when is next poornima
Date: 5 Nov 92 22:18:59 GMT
Organization: College of Engg. & Tech., Ohio University, Athens, Ohio

In article <1992Nov3.004151.13389@selway.umt.edu> lokes@selway.umt.edu (Lokeswara Rao) writes:
>In article <92304.095044SELD1015@HASARA11.BITNET> <SELD1015@HASARA11.BITNET> writes:
>>hi,
>>Does anybody know the date of next poornima.
>>Thanks in advance.
>>Bye,
>>Asha
>
>
>I am not sure.... but I guess, just add 14 to diwali day.
>
>Regards.

It is on the 10th of Nov.

ciao

naresh
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: 900707h@dragon.acadiau.ca (Swarajsingh Horree)
Subject: Re: World Cup'94 Schedule
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:29:08 GMT

lokes@selway.umt.edu (Lokeswara Rao) writes:

>World cup'94
>UNITED STATES'94 - LIST OF VENUES:

>-East Rutherford,NJ (NEW YORK CITY)..............6 games
>-Pasadena,CA        (LOS ANGELES)...............10 games
>-Chicago             ............................5 games
>-Stanford,CA        (SAN FRANCISCO BAY)..........6 games
>-Pontiac,MI         (DETROIT)....................5 games
>-Foxboro,MA         (BOSTON).....................6 games
>-Washington DC      .............................5 games
>-Dallas             .............................6 games
>-Orlando,FL         (DISNEYLAND:-)...............5 games


>GROUP A (including USA as hosts):      GROUP D:
>-------                                _______

>June 18: Pontiac, Pasadena             June 21: Foxboro, Dallas
>June 22: Pasadena, Pontiac             June 25: Foxboro
>June 26: Pasadena, Stanford            June 26: Chicago
>                                       June 30: Foxboro, Dallas
>                                      

>GROUP B:                               GROUP E:
>-------                                -------

>June 19: Pasadena                      June 18: East Rutherford 
>June 20: Pasadena                      June 19: Washington DC 
>June 24: Stanford, Pontiac             June 23: East Rutherford
>June 28: Stanford, Pontiac             June 24: Orlando
>                                       June 28: East Rutherford, Orlando


>GROUP C (including Germany as champs): GROUP F:
>-------                                -------

>June 17: Chicago(OPENING GAME),Dallas  June 19: Orlando
>June 21: Chicago                       June 20: Washington
>June 23: Foxboro                       June 25: East Rutherford, Orlando
>June 27: Chicago, Dallas               June 29: Orlando, Washington


>SECOND ROUND (July 2-5):
>-Chicago
>-Washington DC
>-Pasadena
>-Dallas
>-Stanford
>-Orlando
>-Foxboro
>-East Rutherford

>QUARTERFINALS (July 9-10):
>-Foxboro
>-Dallas
>-Stanford
>-East Rutherford

>SEMIFINALS (July 13):
>-Pasadena
>-Pasadena

>3RD PLACE GAME (July 16):
>-Pasadena

>*** FINAL *** (July 17, 1994)
>-Pasadena
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------


>Regards.
 

 What's the chance of US soccer team reaching the 2nd round, man?
 I bet they would finish last of their group.

  Swaraj.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: trivedi@curie.uchicago.edu (Anil Trivedi)
Subject: Re: UN MAP SANS KASHMIR
Organization: Enrico Fermi Institute, University of Chicago
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 10:03:45 GMT

dogar@rtsg.mot.com (Haroon H. Dogar) writes:

 > Glad to see that even die-hard Indians realise that Kashmir and India
 > are two distinct entities. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) 

Only a damn fool will fail to realize that India as an entity is indeed
different from Kashmir, or UP, or Ganges, or my grandfather's house; it
*contains* all of those smaller entities! Nothing wrong with a little
smart-aleckiness, but first borrow some intelligence from somewhere. I
will raise you one smiley though: :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

-----

Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: sgs1679@usl.edu (Sudhindranath Sira G)
Subject: Re: Khalistan
Organization: University of Southwestern Louisiana
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 16:49:00 GMT

In article <wHJyTB7w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Gary Deol) writes:
>A reply to a message written by: hsingh@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Harpreet)
> 
>>Can ui imagine what Rajiv gandu said during the riots 'WHEN A BIG TREE
>>FALLS OBVIOULSY THERE IS GOING TO BE NOISE!'.  The big tree was Indira 
>Gandu
>>and the noise was just the killing of 10,000 Sikhs.
> 
> I guess when Rajiv Gandhi was blown to smithereens 'the whole earth
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>shook that time'. :^)
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 

Oh, it's really _nothing_. After all, when a big bomb explodes, "the earth is 
bound to shake a little bit", you see ?

Yes, it was quite fitting that the man who casually reacted to
10,000 _murders_ (in the capital of the country of which he was
the Prime Minister) saying "it is just the earth shaking a little bit",
made a *really good* earth-shaking exit himself...

>
>Gary Deol              garyd@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca 

Regards,

--Sudhi.

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email : sudhi@usl.edu, sgs@ucs.usl.edu    Address : USL PO Box 41688,
                          	                    Lafayette, LA 70504-1688.
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From: ghayalm@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: RAMAJANMA BHUMI: AYODHYA-New Archaeological Discoveries
Date: 9 Nov 92 00:41:53 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <92311.123757RKD100@psuvm.psu.edu> RKD100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>If one grants the fact that there was a hindu temple even before the
>11th. century, and that it was indeed replaced by a masjid, what's
>the proof that this is ram's birth-place?  Moreover, nobody has
>ever replied cogently to the question "So what if it was Ram's
>birthplace?": the fact is that it is disputed, best to leave it
>alone and not try to show one's purushatva by trying to undo history.
>One cannot conquer time. Even if the hindu temple is put up, what will
>it prove?  that we are "men" enough to "redeem" our ancestors'
>collective honour?  sorry, i don't think it will prove anything except
>that we are a fractious idle lot with nothing better to do than fight
>over ruins that our ancestors at least had the gumption to build.
>Why not let sleeping dogs lie and build a Ram Janmabhoomi Smarak half
>a mile away and put up a big signboard near the mosque that says:
>
>WE THE HINDUS OF  ___  IN OUR MAGNANIMITY GRANT THIS MOST SCARED SITE
>TO THE MUSLIMS AND IN MEMORY OF OUR GREAT SACRIFICE HAVE BUILT AN
>EVEN GREATER TEMPLE HALF A MILE AWAY WITH A TRANSPONDER THAT RELAYS
>YOUR PRAYERS TO THE SAME PLACE THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN RELAYED HAD YOU
>PRAYED IN THE ORIGINAL SPOT!!!.
>
>Surely this will be in the finest hindu tradition of giving away what one
>holds most beloved, even to the extent of one's own son (e.g. the ganting
>of Nachiketa to Yama) in order to achieve salvation.
>
>Ahimsa virasya dharmam.... regards, Rajib

I completly agree with you.  So what if Ram was born there, Ram
was well known for his sacrifices, I am sure he would not mind that
there is a mosque there now.  The mosque should be removed only
if the Indian Muslims wish it to be removed, we should not force
them to do it.  In India Hindus form a vast majority, for a family
to stay united, it is always the elder brother who has to make
sacrifices. 


Manoj
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From: sdoki@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Suresh Doki)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,wpi.students.desis,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: let me get frust.. Dokus Idioticus :)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 06:13:44 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu

The FAFDA fafat@usc.edu (Vijay Fafat) writes:

>but i don't think ravi would like a FAFDA like you to begin each line
>with a '\t'.
>	None of my cowncerns :). If he can put up with a half-brain like you,
>	he can live with a /t.. 

kinda sad that even a half-brain like me can handle full-brains (or
maybe null brains) like you with ease.



suresh

ps: looks like you did not understand what a '\t' means........i guess
    you never will
From: pavan@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (A.Pavan)
Subject: Joke :-)
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 18:23:44 GMT

Q : What do you say when the radiator of a Maruti Suzuki develops a leak ?

A : Maruti ney su-su kee !
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From: mani@sabotage.Berkeley.EDU (Mani Varadarajan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.tamil
Subject: Re: On Indian Civilization being the Oldest..
Date: 6 Nov 92 13:01:41
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
Distribution: world
Reply-To: mani@cs.stanford.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sabotage.berkeley.edu
In-reply-to: narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu's message of Wed, 4 Nov 1992 20:42:50 GMT

In article <Bx7LJF.7D3@cs.psu.edu> narayana@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu (Kuram T Narayana) writes:

   with whether Shankara, Ramanuja, or Madhva were Tamilians. For your info. 
   Shankara was a Malayalee, Ramanuja was a Telugu (he was born in our Tirupathi) 
   not anywhere in Tamilnadu.

No, Ramanujacharya was born in Sriperumbudur, between Madras
and Kanchipuram, and was definitely a Tamilian. There is a
shrine dedicated to him next to the Vishnu temple there.

   Again the metaphysical content of Shankara, Ramanuja, and Madhva are
   all founded on Badarayana's works. Indeed he is the fulcrum of thought.
   Just because X happened to be a Tamilain, or just because Y happened
   to be a follower of X, does not damn make the thought dravidian, whether
   in racist terms or cultural terms.

Well, actually, although Ramanuja's thought is based on
Badarayana's Brahma-Sutras, he is described by Sri Vaishnavas
as an Ubhaya Vedantin, one who practices both the Sanskrit and
the Dravida Vedanta.  Tradition is quite clear in stating that
the meaning of the Upanishads was made clear by the content of
the poems of Nammalvar, who wrote exclusively in Tamil.

So the tradition of Ramanuja is clearly a product of the
confluence of Sanskritic and Tamil streams of religion. I must
agree, however, that this is more of a cultural division than
an ethnic one.

Mani

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