From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Newsgroups: tx.politics
Subject: Re: Clinton's Economic Plan
Date: 28 Aug 92 19:08:25 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc

In <21413@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.lonestar.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:

>In article <1992Aug26.163522.5112@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>>I wasn't aware that the Constitution was the ONLY law in this country.
>>When did THAT happen?

>In 1780-something, I believe.  It was in all the papers.  If you'd
>be READING instead of waiting for the invention of TeeVee, you would
>have heard about it ...

Gee, John, you mean all those books of United States Code don't really
exist, and that despite the fact that the Constitution says that the
Congress makes laws that they aren't allowed to do that?  Gee, maybe
YOU should check around.

>>Show me where in the Constitution it says that the Constitution is the
>>ONLY law and that no others can apply or add additional requirements,
>>if you would.  This kind of argument is quite typical of your line of
>>reasoning, though -- point to something and say "see", while ignoring
>>everything else.

>This is quite unbelievable.

>The Constitution is quite explicit.  If you want to change the
>Constitution, you write an amendment.  Anything else must either agree
>with the material already in the Constitution, or it is Un-Constitutional.

Who said anything about changing the Constitution?  Another famous
Haugh tactic -- direct the discussion to something other than the
subject and thereby 'win'.  You're arguing with something YOU thought
up, not with anything I said, John.  Can you spell 'strawman'?

>That is the nature of constitutions.  A constitution is a defining
>document.  It says, by its very nature, what is and what isn't
>permitted and who has what authority, etc.  According to the U.S.
>Constitution, Congress has the sole authority for writing budgets.
>Congress can pass any budget it feels like over the veto of the
>President.  The President cannot submit a budget and force it into
>law.

Nobody said that the President could, John.  I know you claim that
English really is your first language, but I honestly find that almost
impossible to believe, given the regularity with which you manage to
misread what other people say.  Are you trying to tell me that the
President does NOT submit a budget to Congress?  Gee, maybe somebody
should tell HIM that, since I think one goes up every year.  Yes, the
Bills themselves have to come from the House, but so what?  Where does
it say that the President may not submit a budget to Congress
containing his requests for spending?

One more time, John.  Look at how it's done today.  Look at the rest
of the laws and regulations.  Ask about the OMB (which didn't exist
when the Constitution was written, so I guess it disappears in the
same big blue flash that gets all those books of U.S. Code, huh?).


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