HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Colleen_Anderson@mindlink.bc.ca (Colleen Anderson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Face on Mars An Other Time
Date: 7 Oct 92 10:19:28 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Yep, I want in on this too.  :)  I'll bet that Mars turns out to be exactly
what we think it is--a big hunka dusty rock.  A face on Mars is like the man
in the moon.  All imagination but no tinkerings of a long dead race.  I'll
bet 100 kugerands (however you spell it) :-)
Colleen
From: fsdlk@acad3.alaska.edu
Subject: FAQ Report
Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 17:48:04 GMT

Hello everyone, 

After a month of information gathering and research I beleave I have
enough information for a first posting of the alt.alien.visitors FAQ.
I would like to request that all information that was gathered for the
FAQ to be turned in to me by Friday 17th of October. I will compile the
information and send it back out to those who have sent the information
so they can correct any errors. I will try and get the first posting out
on usenet's alt.alien.visitors by Monday 26th of October. Please send all
information to:

                            Bitnet: Fsdlk@alaska
                          Internet: Fsdlk@acad3.alaska.edu
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From: tola@jyu.fi (Teemu Lahteenmaki)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: 2-mile long gun
Keywords: Jules Verne
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:25:56 GMT
Organization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland

In article <92283.104730U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>On the local radio station newscast about 2-3 days ago there was
>a short 30 second story about the government construction a 2 mile long
>"gun" to propel things to the moon.  Any thoughts?(i.e. shooting down
>objects in the sky as opposed to actually shooting things to the moon)

Well didn't Jules Verne (the writer) invent this back in last century ?
He wrote about huge gun which was used to shoot 'space capsule' to the
moon, well it just swing around it.. So his visions were not so absurd
that people have tought.. Great man.




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I  Intergalactical University of Jyvaskyla, Finland        I
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: vpaf5@jane.uh.edu (Kal)
Subject: Re: auras
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:19:00 GMT

In article <1bkuctINN7pj@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM writes...
> 
>Kathy, this doesn't clear anything up. I can say I see little white
>kangaroos hoping around me, that doesn't mean I'm sober ;).
> 
>What do you see exactly. Plize, no "Well, a kind of light around the head
>of people". Try and be constructive. I'm very willing to believe you.
>ever considered some simple tests ?(read Randi's books for a simple, conclusive
>design. There's a big reward if you can convince him !).
>I mean, if I could see "auras", I would definitly go and see doctors and
>convince them !!! 
> 
> 
>> Kathie  ;.)
> 
> 
>JM.
> 
>JM,
> 
>I will try to explain this the best that I can.
>(Aura discription deleted for brevity) 
>Thanks,
> 
>Kathie
The test JM mentioned is very straightforward. A opaque partition is set up.
The partition is just high enough so that it hides the person standing behind
it but lets their aura show over the top. A group of people are broght in to
stand behind the partition. All that you have to do is tell how many people
there are and where they are standing (You don't get to see them come in, and
they must maintain complete silence). If you do better than random chance,
then you've proved your ability.
This has been preformed many times on people who say that they see auras.
Not a single one has passed, yet. There is a large reward for the person
who can pass (ten thousand dollars? I forget.) I urge you to try this, if
you really think you can see the auras. This must be done under controlled
conditions with an impartial observer(s) present, of course.
Be forewarned, though. I have seen (a tape of) a woman breaking down in tears
when she miserably failed the test. she really believed that she could see
the auras, but she utterly failed to pinpoint where people stood behind the
partition. It was sad to witness.

Kal    vpaf5@jane.uh.edu               My opinions are almost, but not quite,
                                       entirely unlike those of my employer.




Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
From: pjm@cshl.org (Pat Monardo)
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Keywords: stollman, clones, aliens, invasion, Jesus
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 00:16:46 GMT

In article <9OCT199217272182@apsicc.aps.edu> system@apsicc.aps.edu (SYSTEM MANAGER) writes:
>In article <1992Oct9.201953.1332@netcom.com>, garys@netcom.com (Gary Stollman) writes...
>> 
>>	Gary Stollman
>> 
>>-- 
>>Gary Stollman    Internet: garys@netcom.com     GEnie: G.STOLLMAN
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>          The world is your playground.  Keep it clean! 
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>uh, ohhhhh.....
>
>			he's  baaaaaacccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!

		and better than ever!!

-- 
-- Pat Monardo
-- pjm@cshl.org
From: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM (Good good good good vibrations)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: auras
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:35:04 GMT
Reply-To: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tinkerbell.ebay.sun.com

I can't speak for Kathie, but what I see is similar in nature to the 
atmospheric disturbances caused by heat. I ususally see it in a 1"-3" form 
around the persons body.  I have a little trouble explaining how I can read it.
It is vaugly related to intensity and what it "reminds" me of in my mind.  I
understand that is a bit hard to comprehend, but I know of no words to explain
what I am talking about.  

I used to think that I was crazy or something.  Then I realized that what I
"read" from the auras was most often true.  As for proving it to doctors...
I am not quite sure how one could go about doing that.  It would be an 
interesting challenge, though.

Later!
C J Rogers


Thanks for the help here C J Rogers.  As I posted in an earlier posting it
is like the heat wave off the street.  Your 1"-3" is right on.  

How to prove it???????????  When I can prove it, my dad will believe me.

See ya,

Kathie  ;.)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
Subject: Re: Exploration is not Technology
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets
Reply-To: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 21:30:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.205618.23681@odin.corp.sgi.com>, rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes in part:
|> Well, you ignored my first point entirely & then let me have it about
|> something you don't feel is relevant. Should I type real
|> ssslllooowwwlllllyyyy so you can make the connection?
[...]
|> It is the mindset of the skeptic that I am making reference to. The out &
|> out denial of an issue before all the evidence is in.

I'm typing as s-l-o-w-l-y as I can.  You are still not getting it.  Try
to pay attention this time:
   "out & out denial" is NOT "the mindset of the skeptic".  The mindset 
   of the skeptic is "That's an astonishing claim, what is the evidence 
   for it?"

|> FIRST POINT>I wonder how many bets were taken that Chris (CRAZYMAN)
|> Colombus would sail off the end of the Earth? 
Irrelevant.  Only a few non-skeptics believed the world was flat.  
On the other hand, I'd probably have bet against him finding an unknown 
continent.  Of course, he probably would have bet that way, too.  I'd
also have bet him that he wouldn't make it to the indies.  He'd have taken
that bet, but I wonder who would have paid off?

-- 
  Robert E. McGrath
  Urbana Illinois
  mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
From: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au (Rhys Weatherley)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: alt.alien.visitors.sewage.garbage.bullshit.crackpots.fantasy
Date: 17 Oct 92 01:35:43 GMT
Reply-To: rhys@cs.uq.oz.au

In <1992Oct14.101805.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> matthews_k@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:

>Chris has a good idea, but is it workable?  Perhaps we could do something like
>rec.arts.tv does, and ask folks to put abbreviations in their header lines 
>which would let us know what the general topic is.  How about this:
>[...list of abbreviations deleted...]

Wouldn't work.  There is no way to get the posters of the "unwanted" material
to use the abbreviations.  In fact, they'd probably be more likely to avoid
the abbreviations, change subject lines often etc, simply to avoid people's
kill files so they are always there.

The algorithm for dealing with alt.alien.visitors is: If you come across a
strange posting, say to yourself "Yeah, right!  Sure!  You expect me to believe
that?"  and press 'n'.  We started to ignore Gary Stollman a couple of months
back and he disappeared (the person behind it was probably getting bored too).
Then someone says, "Hey, where's Gary?" and he's back, crazier and less
believable than ever.  Just ignore them and they'll go away.  When you react
to them, they keep posting.  They only post to get the reaction.  Keep in
mind that many of them (GS, JW, etc) may just be pranksters posting garbage
to see if we take it seriously, and then laughing their heads off at us.

In real life, when a book has been labelled as controversial, or has been
banned, etc, it sells millions of copies.  If it doesn't draw any attention
at all, it disappears into the quagmire from which it came.  The same applies
here.

This is probably a topic for the FAQ.

Cheers,

Rhys.
--
Rhys Weatherley, University of Queensland, Australia.
rhys@cs.uq.oz.au  "I'm a FAQ nut - what's your problem?"
From: rhoge1@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au ([Robert James Hoge])
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Use of 2-mile gun
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:47:28 GMT
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston

In article <YeqoSLi00iUyE6PuR=@andrew.cmu.edu>, Andrew Todd Weinstein <aw2s+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>
>Couldn't they use this 2-mile gun to shoot nuclear waste and other earth
>wastes like from garbage dumps out into space, since the gun would be a
>farily cheeper method of doing this than if chemical propellant
>spacecrafts were to be used.  And you don't need as many resources as
>spaceships, since you can probably power the gun with nuclear power
>which is not a problem?
>
>
>
You fool, what about us younger genaration who will have homes out in
space in a matter of 30 or less years??  Are you one of these people
who declare that they are environmentally friendly just so they can
have friends?? Grow up or rot.


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Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 9 Oct 1992 10:47:30 CDT
From: <U37460@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: 2-mile long gun

On the local radio station newscast about 2-3 days ago there was
a short 30 second story about the government construction a 2 mile long
"gun" to propel things to the moon.  Any thoughts?(i.e. shooting down
objects in the sky as opposed to actually shooting things to the moon)
Ethan Haslett
u37460@uicvm.uic.edu
From: jlg@naucse.cse.nau.edu (James Gibson)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: alt.alien.visitors.sewage.garbage....
Date: 13 Oct 92 23:36:44 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University, Flagstaff AZ

I agree with the statement that if people want a 
SERIOUS discussion of the issues of abductions and 
contacts, a seperate area should be created for that
purpose.  This way, eductaed debate could take place
without New Age propaganda being tossed around.

I have also been reading up on the subject and (IMHO)
believe that enough cases of abductions are valid
to encourage honest debate.

jlg@naucse.cse.nau.edu

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What blue light? 
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM (Good good good good vibrations)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Aliens
Date: 16 Oct 92 00:47:52 GMT
Reply-To: kathieg@tinkerbell.EBay.Sun.COM
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: tinkerbell.ebay.sun.com

Dear People: Please disregard all of the letters behind my name. My 
computer is acting up. I woke up with what I consider to be a profound
thought and that is WE ARE ALL ALIENS. By that I mean that we as a 
civilization did not originate or evolve on this particular planet.
John Winston.

Good thought John.  That would explain why some of us are white, and some of
us are brown, and some of us are yellow.  We came from different parts of the
galaxy.

Kathie  ;.)
From: pluther@percy.rain.com (Pat Luther)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Aliens on internet
Date: 16 Oct 92 03:31:08 GMT
Organization: Percy's mach, Portland, OR

pbrettle@fs1.ho.man.ac.uk (PAUL BRETTLE) writes:


>Any of you Alien hackers want to own up now?  

No.
From: eradm@brahms.Berkeley.EDU (Erik Radmall)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Exploration is not Technology
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets
Date: 8 Oct 92 12:45:22 GMT
Article-I.D.: spectrum.1992Oct8.124522.6131
Reply-To: eradm@brahms.Berkeley.EDU (Erik Radmall)
Organization: Xerox

In article <1avvbeINN5kd@agate.berkeley.edu>, sfd@soda.berkeley.edu (Scott Drellishak) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct7.220808.6718@odin.corp.sgi.com> rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
|> )Robert,[you write]
|> )>I'm typing as s-l-o-w-l-y as I can.  You are still not getting it.  Try
|> )>to pay attention this time:
|> )>"out & out denial" is NOT "the mindset of the skeptic".  The mindset 
|> )>of the skeptic is "That's an astonishing claim, what is the evidence 
|> )>for it?"
|> )
|> )The evidence sir is the photographs that were returned by the viking probe.
|> )There is not enough evidence to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt what the
|> )structure is, so we must go back & re-photograph, re-analyze, re-evaluate,
|> )etc. Most skeptics say "What for, it's just a clump of eroded rock"
|> 

 [stuff deleted]

|> 
|> But wait.  We *never* have perfect information -- there is always
|> doubt.  Science is a practice of successive best guesses.  At the
|> moment, as far as I know, the evidence isn't strong enough to support
|> the alien artifact hypothesis, so the best guess is, it's a rock.  If
|> new photographs show scaffolding, then this best guess may change.
|> 
|> )Human nature is a labrynth that is as boundless & as confounding as the
|> )universe as we know it. Nuff said!!!
|> )
|> )Rod

In the "Weekly Globe", the "face" was definitively proved to be that of none
other than Pee-Wee Herman. In a tag-along article, the Russian probe had a REAL
photo of a B-17 bomber lodged in a Martian crater. In a subsequent shot a few
months later, the bomber had mysteriously "vanished." This special issue of a focus
on Mars also included details on the fate of the Avengers(?) that vanished into
the Bermuda Triangle. Sources for the "Globe" say they are even now flying in an
orbit around Mars. Hey, this publication solves every mystery known to man. My
only thought is that it is TRULY God inspired. Hey you folks at the "Globe", keep
up the good work - and to HELL with these skeptics! Sign me up for a life-long
subscription, and while you're at it, please pledge $10,000 on my behalf to
BOB TILTON. Thank you.

|> 
|> word.
|> 
|> Scott
|> -- 
|> /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
|> | Scott Drellishak   sfd@neuromancer.metaphor.com                          |
|> |                "Spumco ... the Danes call it quality."                   |
|> \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: alopez-o@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Alex Lopez-Ortiz)
Subject: Re: UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:42:10 GMT

In article <7210@transfer.stratus.com>, tarl@sw.stratus.com (Tarl
Neustaedter) writes:
> In article <1992Oct13.175901.1730@cnsvax.uwec.edu>,
> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
> >                            UFO EVIDENCE VS. Carl Sagan
> >                I should think that by now he would have heard about the
> > >           Roswell Incident in which UFO WRECKAGE and ALIEN BODIES
> were 
> >           found on a ranch (in New Mexico, I think), gathered up by the
> > >           U.S. military, and hidden away in an Air Force hanger 
> >           somewhere.
> 
> Perhaps the New Mexico stuff is a hoax? Do you have more knowledge of
> this wreckage than Carl Sagan does? Perhaps you've seen it yourself?
> 
> >	    The wreckage included materials NOT KNOWN on Earth,
> 
> Different elements? Different colors? Different alloys? Different
> flavors?
> How was it determined that they were NOT KNOWN on Earth?

According to Unsolved Mysteries, witnesses identify the materials as 
plastics. At the time they didn't know they were such, but when the
plastic era arrived they recognized some of them. 

Furthermore, from the accounts the bodies could have been severely
charred human carcases. And the "alien spacecrat" an experimental
aircraft.

There was a military installation nearby, and what better than the
desert to try new planes.


-- 
Alex Lopez-Ortiz                              alopez-o@maytag.UWaterloo.ca
Department of Computer Science                      University of Waterloo
Waterloo, Ontario                                                   Canada
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: gvb@TEFS1.acd.com (Gregg Brown)
Subject: Re: alt.alien.visitors.sewage.garbage.bullshit.crackpots.fantasy
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc., Terre Haute IN
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:54:47 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.065238.11566@netcom.com> vere@netcom.com (Steven Vere) writes:
>   Bozos and crackpots are not going to discipline themselves.  As
>someone else suggested, most will simply migrate to the new newsgroup.
>I happen to believe that some of these people are professional signal
>jammers.  The best bozo-crackpot filter is the kill file, which you
>can tune and customize to filter out the noise.
>
>  Steven Vere                                       vere@netcom.com  

I think you may be right Steve. I would still like to try. Anyway, I 
have some different ideas that may be e-mail based. e-mail me if you are
interested.

Gregg.
-- 
Let the Greys come. If they are friendly, I will shake their hands and wax
their saucers. If they are not, I will do what I can to blow them off the
planet.
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: Exploration is not Technology
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 13:51:18 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL
Keywords: mars observer, citys or rocks, confirmation one way or the other, side bets

According to rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith):
>I wonder how many bets were taken that Chris Colombus would sail off
>the end of the Earth?

Good point... NOT.  You're the CRAZYMAN if you think that educated
people of Columbus' time considered the world to be flat.  They knew
it was round!  They had known that it was round since Greece was the
dominant world power.  They were just wrong about its diameter.

As for uneducated people... well, there there some today who think the
earth is flat, or that the Apollo missions were faked, or that pro
wrestling is real.  The beliefs of the ignorant prove nothing.

>My point being that if it were up to the neysayers & doubting
>Thomases in the world, we as a species would still be gathering nuts
>& berries.

Naysayers aren't a problem.

Credible people who believe without proof are a problem.

>We would still all think the world was flat.

This belief was disproven by _experiment_ long before Columbus
lived, not by idle speculation.

Investigative resources are limited.  Not all possibilities can be
investigated in finite time.  The art is in choosing good targets.

The "Mars face" is, in all probability, a mere trick of light and
shadow and the brain's built-in face recognition circuitry.  If NASA
decides to ignore the "face" in favor of other investigations that are
more likely to produce good science, well, more power to them.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "I am truly as big a genius as all other Rush fans." -- Bruce Bufalini
From: malc@pyramid.unr.edu (Malcolm L. Carlock)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: aliens are from hell
Date: 14 Oct 92 00:10:49 GMT
Organization: Xinaian Tourist Bureau

-I have read articles (all religious) which say that the UFO phenomenom's
-seen around the world are actually demons (from hell...you know, the hot
-place)
-
-damiens@tartarus.uwa.edu.au
         ^^^^^^^^
Hee.
--
Malcolm L. Carlock                      Internet:  malc@unr.edu
                                        UUCP:      unr!malc
                                        BITNET:    malc@equinox
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Pioneer Probe & The Venusians
Summary: Hey mon, I know me facts mon
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:42:37 GMT
Distribution: alt.alien.visitors
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ


Look.  I know perfectly well that Pioneer was a great mission
and it lasted a jillion times longer than it was supposed to,
and I really think NASA should put up at least 2 or 3 more,
because the knowledge that we gained from Pioneer was _invaluable_,
let me write that a different way --_INVALUABLE_--.

But this is alt.alien.visitors, and if you can't put up your
Venusian conspiracy theories here, where can you put them up?
Alt.conspiracy is always debating food additives and ignoring
the real issues, which are the Venusians and their plot to
undermine our space program and STEAL OUR WOMEN!!

	Well...
	Maybe not.
	Jason
	Ono-Sendai R&D
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.folklore.urban