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From: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: LUMBAR SUPPORT is a pain in the .... er..back.
Keywords: BRAINDEAD
Date: 20 Jan 93 12:27:07 GMT
Reply-To: rbp@investor.pgh.pa.us (Bob Peirce #305)
Organization: Cookson, Peirce & Co., Pittsburgh, PA

In article <1993Jan12.224728.7760@cbnewsd.cb.att.com> hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:
>
>Maybe my spine is weirdly shaped, but why is it that seats with lumbar
>support always have the hump in the middle of the seat instead of the
>bottom where it's supposed to be. I've driven two cars lately, a 
>Thunderbird and a Saturn SC, that have seats designed by a sadist.

I have the opposite problem.  In the '92 Honda Prelude the lumbar
support is so low I can't use it.  Fortunately I can retract it.
Of course part of the problem may be that nobody knows exactly where
this support should be.  For instance, regardless of what is it called,
I would like to have a little more of a bump near or slightly below my
waist.  I have no idea if that is where true lumbar support is supposed
to be.  I just know on long trips that area needs to be pushed forward
slightly and given more support.
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From: muradia@bcarh179.bnr.ca (Rajiv Muradia)
Subject: Any opinions on Toyota Corolla, Camry?
Reply-To: muradia@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:11:00 GMT

I am thinking of selling my Toyota Corolla '87. There is 115,000 km mileage
on the car and it is in excellent condition. What would be the asking price
for this vehicle? Thanks......

P.S. Does anybody have any opinions on the Toyota Camry 93 model (4 cyl or V6)?
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. Rajiv Muradia, Ottawa, ONT, CANADA                             .
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From: alves@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (ToM aLVeS)
Subject: Michigan Auto Brokers
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:57:32 GMT
Keywords: Saturn SL1, Auto Brokers

Can anyone out there provide the names (and addresses) of a couple auto
brokers in Michigan, or even in Ontario?  I'm interested in a Saturn SL1
and since the dealers don't "dicker"  it's pretty hard to get a better
deal.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

Tom



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From: co940@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Nicholas E. Damato)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: 1989 Escort overheats, suggestions would be appreciated
Date: 24 Jan 1993 05:47:37 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Hello,
     Anyone out there own a late model escort with the 1.9L?
I have an '88.5-'89 (manufactured 8-18-88) and it is running
hotter every day.
     I used to only have this problem when the temperature was      
above 80, then 70, 60, and finnally the temp guage maxed out
in slow traffic and it was only 38 F outside. (I can't wait for
summer!)
  
     the car has 69,000 mi. I have the cooling system flushed
and checked yearly, i have installed an override switch for
the radiator fan so i can run it constantly in heavy traffic.
this seems to work, but it has never run hot in the winter before
and i am concerned.
 
the temp send sensor is new, ok.
fan switch kicks on at 204 F
i have a 180 F Thermostat for winter and i have plenty of heat.
 
I use Mobil 1 / T-Plus oil and 89 gasoline, this helps a bit
i switched to bosch platinum plugs because the standard plugs
got fried after 10,000 mi.
 
my cooling system pressurizes ok.
how do i know if i need a new radiator, i took the current
one out and blasted it clean at one of those self serve
car washes.
 
right now i am perplexed.
a friend of mine told me to install a "head temperature" gage
and to ignore the coolant temperature, i don't know, it's 
running at 200 - 210 in january, i can't ignore that.
 
so i would appreciate any suggestions.
 
BTW Ford told me that it was okay for the car to overheat
into the HOT range for short periods, but that was when
the car was under warranty.     
 
any suggestions would be appreciated.
i'd like to fit an oversize radiator/fan into the car if possible
or an extra-heavy duty water pump, but these don't seem to be 
available.
 
any info would be greatly appreciated.
thanx a lot.
n.e.d.
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From: kenny@osf.org (Kenneth Crudup)
Subject: Re: HELP!!VOLVO TURBO NEEDED
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:26:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan20.150240.27338@tin.monsanto.com>
wchutt@alex.monsanto.com (Bill C Hutton) writes:

>Does anyone know a source for a replacement turbo for a Volvo 740?
>I would prefer a rebuilt turbo with a warranty.

Turbo City. +1 714 639 4933.

-- 
Kenny Crudup, Contractor, OSF DCE QA
OSF, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142	+1 617 621 7306
kenny@osf.osf.org			OSF has nothing to do with this post.
	  Religion: The longest-running gag ever played on Mankind.
From: DEVILBISS@OCTAVE.LARC.NASA.GOV (Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: help: Buying a Jeep Wrangler.
Date: 25 Jan 1993 20:34:18 GMT
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Distribution: world
Reply-To: DEVILBISS@OCTAVE.LARC.NASA.GOV (Dave)
NNTP-Posting-Host: lockheedmac6.larc.nasa.gov

singh@isi.com (Amit Singh) writes:

> Hi:
>   I am thinking of buying a Jeep Wrangler (new). It will be my first car.
>   I chose to buy a Jeep Wrangler because it is smaller than other similar
>   jeeps out there. It also meets my budget well. Any comments, recommendations
>   & tips on negotiating with dealers will be appreciated.
>amit

I have a 1988 JEEP Wrangler.  I would recommend:

1.  Get the hard top!  Since this is your first car, I would assume that it will be 
your only car for a while.  Take it from experience, 65 mph with the soft top can 
be just a little noisy.  Also, you can take the hard top off in the summer & use a soft 
top in its place.  You will appreciate real glass windows next to your head.  It's also 
lockable.

2.  6 cyl engine.

3.  The offroad package is nice.  It gives you all the skid plates & stuff.

4.  Extended range gas tank.

Other than that, get one and have fun.   I wouldn't drive anything else.

Enjoy . . . Dave

________________________________________________        
        If we were not crazy, we would go insane.
        If we could not laugh, we would go insane!     J. Buffett
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From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Slartibartfast)
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:47:35 GMT

In article <frank.727928633@kynok.ucs.ubc.ca> frank@unixg.ubc.ca (Murray Frank) writes:
>In <1993Jan24.141549.16369@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) writes:
>
>
>>I'd like to conduct an informal poll here: what do the gentle readers of this
>>group think is the WORST car being made today???  (And why?)  It must be a 
>>car still being manufactured, so a 1975 Dodge Dart doesn't count.  :-)
>
>>This should generate some healthy debate...

>>zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Oh, forgot to add another $.02 to the earlier reply:

	My nominee:  EVERY Honda built to sell in the US since 1989.  Entirely
	too slow...  And no power.  I hate it, but I'll take my dad's '88 Camry
	I-4 anyday when given a choice with an Accord.  I'll take a Saturn SL2
	or Sentra SE-R over ANY Civic, including the Del Sol, which makes the
	Miata look positively fast.  And, last but not least, a Probe or MX-6
	over any Prelude.  BTW, Any 4-door family-type sedan (read Camry,
	Taurus, LH, Accord) without a 6cyl or a strong 5cyl should be illegal.



-- 
 Chintan Amin  The University of Illinois, Urbana Champaign  c-amin1@uiuc.edu
  "Public speaking is very easy!" <-- Quayle 10/88  ;-)
  "Unfortunately, the people of Louisiana are not racists" <-- Quayle, 10/12/90
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From: morton@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Brent Morton)
Subject: Re: Rain-X?
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:06:52 GMT

In article <C1Iyny.5Ds@utdallas.edu> goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes:
>Does this product really work?
>
>If so, are their any side-effects, or consequences?
>

Yes, Rain-X definitely works, quite well I understand. Unfortunately, I have
heard from a lot of people (and seen it myself) that it leaves an impossible-
to-remove film on the windshield after it's worn off, and the only solution is
to re-apply the stuff. This may not be true for all applications, however --
there ARE several satisfied users who have posted here.

-- Brent
morton@artifis.gaul.csd.uwo.ca
From: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu (Terry Quinn)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Date: 27 Jan 1993 22:19:15 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Reply-To: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu



> >Ken Rothman <krothman.727987654@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> writes:
> >> With all the advances in aerodynamics and ergonomics in design in the past ten
> >> years (mostly on the part of European and Japanese makers), this beast is an
> >         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> >Apparently the Ford Taurus had little influence on the shape of cars today.
> >In my opinion there is no car that has had a greater influence on the vast
> >improvements of aerodynamics than the Taurus.
> 
> >-- 
> >William R. Nau
> 
> Oh please.... don't give me that tone.  I said mostly.
> Sure, the Taurus was influential, but do you see many Citation clones?
> 
> I said MOSTLY.
> 
> Ken
 
I accept the fact that European and Japanese have done well with 
ergonomics, but Ken, please cite some examples of true advances in 
aerodynamics from European or Japanese manufacturers.  When I 
think hard of aerodynamic advances, I see them coming "mostly" 
from U.S. marketers.  Cars like the Honda Prelude are styled to 
"look" like they are aerodynamic and swoopy, but really are not.  
What matters most, appearances or results?  The true test is the 
numbers.  And from that standpoint, I believe one of the most 
aerodynamic _production_ cars has been the Pontiac Trans Am (since 
way back in 1984), with a drag coefficient just under 0.30. 
 
Anything out there better than that?
 

--
                                    Terry Quinn
                                     Germantown Hills, IL
                                      tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu
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From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Politics of car buying(Buying a Japanese car)
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:25:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.

In article <1993Jan27.132913.7601@bnr.ca> dclayton@bnr.ca (Don Clayton) writes:
>Actually, I believe the population of Japan is about 80 million, while the
>population of the U.S. is about 260 million (re: 30%).

Your figure must include around 30-40 million Japanese who all moved to
Southern California :-). The actual numbers are around 120 Mil for Japan
and around 225-230 Mil for the US.

>Correct, but the Japanese auto manufactures in particular seem to be more
>productive (in fact, their plants here in Canada and the U.S. are very
>productive as well).

Nope. They're productive in the sense that they build a relatively small
mix of product, simple designs, etc. I believe the most productive
plant title belongs to Ford but I can't remember which plant. Also consider
other Japanese business practices which seemingly increase productivity
in their own way (read having ENTIRE cars built by easy-to-coerce-and-
cut-costs suppliers (Toyota for example), etc). 
>
>Keep in mind that the Japanese pay about 5% tax, thus all the companies provide
>medical care, education, etc..  They have to pay for it, so they do so with high
>prices.  Which just goes to prove you can never avoid taxes.

Nope. Part of the reason the Japanese savings rate is so high is because 
the government does NOT provide for things like retirement; Per se taxes
are not high in Japan, either corporate taxes or individual taxes. Money
Magazine did a study of this a while back comparing three families, an
American, a German, and a Japanese family. Read it and you'll see.

The high prices people pay in Japan can be attributed to many things, not
just support of the home team; the Farm Lobby there is very powerful, hence
$5 apples, $10 watermelons, etc. Cultural and other reasons do not encourage
haggling of prices, so most people pay sticker price for everything. 
Discount stores are more or less unheard of and there is little competition
or reason to drop prices. 

(anybody wanna open a Walmart in Japan?)

Spiros
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Software Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      [A Different Kind of Disclaimer]
From: wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Wong)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Integra door glass window seal problems
Date: 25 Jan 1993 06:22:01 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In article <1993Jan24.120351.46690@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> vonwaadn@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>I have a '91 Integra LS, and am having problems with the door glass
>window seal.  Seems every 30K miles or so the windows need to be adjusted
>to seal tighter.  If not done, the wind noise is extremely loud above
>60mph.  When raining or snowing and the door is opened, water runs down
>the inside of the glass.
>

A friend of mine owns a '92 3-door Integra.  He had a similar problem.  When
it rained, water used to enter the driver's side of the car.  The dealership
claimed that when the window was rolled up, it was rolled up too much.  This
meant that rain water would not drain down the rubber seals, but would drain
dwon the inside of the window.

This makes sense.  I've got a '92 4door Integra and I've looked at the
design of the seals.  The response looks plausible.

Could your window be set-up so that the window is just slightly rolled up too
high?
 RWW.

-- 
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wrob@unixg.ubc.ca (ASCII only)
From: tut@cairo.Eng.Sun.COM (Bill "Bill" Tuthill)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Date: 26 Jan 93 22:58:08 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: cairo

c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:
>
>Some car magazine I checked during lunch actually discussed the ugliest
>car ever made, and I think the winner (by leaps & bounds) was a
>French car, I think a Renault 6.  Or, any Citroen (i.e. 2CV to CX)

French cars have a totally different aesthetic, I don't think it's fair
to compare them if you don't speak fluent French and enjoy dry red wine.
Also, the 2CV is a Renault, not a Citroen.

Why has nobody mentioned what, to me, seem like the quintessential ugly
cars: the AMC Matador, the AMC Gremlin, and the AMC Pacer?  I don't think
the Pacer is that bad, but other people do.  The only cars that come close
to Matador/Gremlin ugliness are the Buick Roadmaster/Chevy Caprice series.
Pound for pound they may be a bargain, but people buy meat-- not cars--
by the pound.  I was really surprised when I actually sat down in a Buick
Roadmaster.  The back seat is cramped and lots of cargo space has been
wasted with stupid side compartments.  Just amazing!
From: allmon@sirius.llnl.gov (Jim Allmon)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Opinions on 1993 Ford Ranger 4x4
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:37:23 GMT
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

-- 


--Jim
From: kimd@gizmo.usc.edu (Kim Daugherty)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket in OKlahoma --- what's SP8?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 12:48:42 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: gizmo.usc.edu


In article <1993Jan23.191153.6674@borland.com>, dave@borland.com (Dave) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan20.174211.14992@microware.com> troyf@microware.com (Troy Frericks) writes:
|> >There are two schools of thought when it comes to fighting speeding tickets:
|> >1) pay it, it's not worth the time to fight.  Consider it random road-use-tax.
|> 
|> 	It isn't the price of the ticket this gets me going. I consider
|> 	the whole idea of speeding tickets as revenue enhancement at the
|> 	cost of the average joe citizen. The things that really kills me
|> 	is that the price of the ticket is usually the least of my worries.
|> 	I worry about how many YEARS I will pay HUNDREDS of dollars to the
|> 	insurance company all because some town/state needed some money so
|> 	they sent the tax troopers, exceuse me .. police, out to raise some
|> 	money.
|> 

Here's something I did after getting a ticket in NV for going 87 in a 65 zone.
I called the clerk of the county that I got the ticket in and asked the name
and address of the judge who handles traffic citations.  I then wrote to the 
judge stating something like:

Loose paraphrase follows:
"I realize that I was driving fast but the road conditions were
excellent and the traffic was moving fast.  Although I broke the
law, may I suggest that my traffic citation be converted into a citation 
for waste of energy?  This would still penalize me for my violation, but 
would not adversely affect my insurance rates, which would go up $250/yr
over the next three years."

Worked like a charm.  Although I had to pay a $110 ticket, it didn't go on 
my record.




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From: lerner@cs.columbia.edu (Michah Lerner)
Subject: Re: What to Expect from ABS
Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 00:22:48 GMT

There was that one time when a "stopped" car shot out in front of me, I hit the
brake HARD, checked the left side, steered left, and watched the expected
impact into the "stopped" car's left door.  Low and behold ... the car followed
the wheels, turned to the left and steered out of it.  Due to ABS, no doubt.
 :-)
--
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Prism Vs. Corolla
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:29:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan28.180642.6426@mloeff01.cpchq.cpc.gmeds.com> dah@cveng121.veheng.det writes:
>
>Does anyone have the sale numbers on these two
>vehicles for the past two years?
>
Don't have the numbers for the Corolla, but the
following are for Prizm:
1989....89,710
1990....109,631
1991....98,433
1992....22,462 (thru 4/30)

bob
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Subject: 83 DATSUN 280ZX TURBO
From: <AXS158@psuvm.psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 14:17:17 EST
Organization: Penn State University

I need any information about mailling lists or whatever pertaining to the
above mentioned car.
Thank You all,
Abe
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: Worst Car Award
Date: 26 Jan 93 16:36:57 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Corporation for Open Systems

In <C1G4G3.113@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bsmg9810@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bhaskar S.Manda) writes:

>nau@ssesco.com (William Nau) writes:

>>Ken Rothman <krothman.727987654@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> writes:
>>> With all the advances in aerodynamics and ergonomics in design in the past ten
>>> years (mostly on the part of European and Japanese makers), this beast is an
>>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>Apparently the Ford Taurus had little influence on the shape of cars today.
>>In my opinion there is no car that has had a greater influence on the vast
>>improvements of aerodynamics than the Taurus.

>>-- 
>>William R. Nau

>Before we go overboard on this, recall that even the Eagle Premier
>has a drag coefficient that bests that of the Ford Taurus. 
>Speaking subjectively, I think the Taurus ranks right up there with the
>Caprices and Roadmasters, surpassed only by the Sable in ughness. Atleast
>the Caprice looks impressive or at least deterring as a cop car.

Well, I sure hope the police get special suspension put on them. The
Caprices that I've seen driving around this area wallow about like
a hippo in the mud.

But for cars that have been hit with an ugly stick, the whole Toyota
line gets my vote. Look like the designers were just introduced to
a draughtsman's set of french curves and went nuts.

>The profile of the Taurus, especially the lines of the rear doors, is the
>mark of a design team in an unholy hurry.

Yeah, but can those suckers move. I live up a twisting two-lane rural
highway, and if I can get to the head of the line, like driving up
it fast. A week ago, I passed this Taurus wagon on one of the two
spots where it is legal to pass, and booted the Probe up the road.
Must have upset him, but I sure couldn't lose him on curves, hills,
nowhere.

>Well anyway, the first thing I said here is not subjective.

>Bhaskar

Bob.
From: saint@cats.ucsc.edu (Daniel Ira Bodenheimer)
Newsgroups: rec.autos
Subject: Re: 1-800 for Ford
Date: 22 Jan 1993 16:26:56 GMT
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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In article <44142@gremlin.nrtc.northrop.com> jslee@nrtc.nrtc.northrop.com (John Lee) writes:
>> bing@jazz.concert.net (Carter E. Bing) writes:
>>	Could someone pass the 1-800 number for Ford to me.
>
>	Based on previous experience with them, it may as well be
>1-800-YOU-LOSE or 1-800-TUF-LUCK.
>
>	I dont seem to be able to find it, though....it's in the
>back of the user manual.
>JSLee

--------------------

You can find the 800 number for any company that has one
by calling 800 information. That number is 1-800-555-1212,
just like any other information center. 

I don't have time to call it myself and post the 800 number for
Ford, but if somebody is really looking to waste some time, I suggest
calling--it is free--and posting the 800 number for most
of the car companies that are available. I think that Volvo even
has an American 800 number.

I can tell you that the 800 number for the Hershey Foods Corporation
is 1-800-468-1714 Don't ask me why I would know that.... :) Chocolate!

Good luck at Ford, I have a feeling that they will probably refer you
to another number--the 800 service is probably just a center for
dispatching calls to other places. I called Symantec's 800 number and
they told me to call another number, one that was a long-distance
charge for me. 
-Dan

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