From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: VP Debate -- impressions & facts
X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Oct 92 11:34:49 GMT
Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Company
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 16:37:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct14.234720.4818@desire.wright.edu> Stupendous Man,
demon@desire.wright.edu writes:
>In article <1bhqg0INNdni@fido.asd.sgi.com>,
aschaffe@holodeck.csd.sgi.com 
>(Allan Schaffer) writes:
>...
>> Quayle:  Came out shooting -- plus expectations were so low he could
>>  have said just about anything.  So he did -- and a lot of it was
false.
>>  Those of you who have been reading the articles I post to this group 
>>  have probably noticed that I'm a big fan of facts & reports -- so I
>>  was very well-prepared, when Quayle made assertions about Clinton/Gore
>
>	Well, it will be refreshing to debate with you!
>
>>  or defended allegations against Bush & himself to determine whether he
>>  was telling the truth.  Unfortunately, most people will walk away
from 
>>  the debate with the impressions left by him, and probably not find
out 
>>  how incorrect his actual statements were.  Offhand I noticed that
Quayle
>>  was wrong in his accusation about Gore's book (pg 304 -- I'll be happy
>
>	Not so much wrong as being inventive.  Gore does indeed propose an
>environmental marshall plan, but doesn't provide any numbers.  The Reps
simply
>took what the actual Marshall plan would cost in today's dollars.

A  really illogical and misleading thing to do.

>	If Al really wants to refute that charge, he will provide another
>number.

He shouldn't have to defend against stupid tripe like that.

>
>>  to post it), he was wrong about the
lobbying-companies-to-move-overseas 
>>  issue,
>
>	Not wrong on that one either.  The US has been helping the Americas
>develop economically for over a decade.  This does not constitute using
tax
>dollars to send jobs outside the country.  The economies that develop
south of
>the border trade mainly with the US--providing more jobs.
>	The only losers are people like the overpaid union workers, who are
>discovering that many poor people in Mexico and Honduras will do their
jobs for
>1/10 the money.  The consumers here benefit by paying less.  The union
workers
>who lose their jobs need two things: retraining, and non-union jobs :).

This is crap for reasons too numerous to mention. However, our government
has
no business setting up these countries directly to take our jobs. Gore's
Decatureville example was right on the mark.

>
>> and he was wrong about Gore's opposition to the Caribbean Basin
>>  Initiative.  It'll be interesting to read the newsgroups to see what 
>>  else you guys found.  :-)

Again Gore only voted for the whole trade bill of which the CBI was a
SMALL part.

>
>	He was right about that too!  Gore voted YES on a 1990 bill that
>included money for the Caribbean Initiative.
>
>>  Summary:  Flailing wildly -- some hits, mostly misses.
>
>	Au Contraire.  Many hits, some off-center, some lucky.

I wonder which debate you were watching....

>
>> Gore:  Wooden -- but solid.  I was disappointed that he didn't come
back
>>  with specifics immediately when Quayle attacked the line out of his
book,
>>  but I felt that he had a lot of VERY good statements -- "When are you
>>  guys going to concentrate on the U.S.?" and his question to Quayle
about
>>  the failure of trickle-down economics.   His facts sounded correct,
and
>
>	Which is a lie.  Supply-side economics worked very well during the
>1980s.  Only when Bush abandoned them did the US slide.  (Read the
"Derailing
>series for more info.)

Reagan used some short-term policy to sweep the real problems under the
rug. These dust bunnies are now biting our butts.

>
>>  he really appealed to the listeners' intellect.  He was helped
immensely
>>  by appearing to know more about Perot's program than Stockdale did. 
:-)
>> 
>>  Summary:  Took the hits and dished some out.
>
>	Looked like a robot.  His entire presentation was obviously
>choreographed.  Turns off most voters.

Wishful, desparate thinking on your part.

Norman

Dr. Norman J. LaFave
Senior Engineer
Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company




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