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From: joshua@coombs.anu.edu.au (Joshua Geller)
Subject: Animal Sacrifice (was: Re: Raising Satanic children)
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
Date:  7 Apr 92 01:35:48 GMT

n9146269@honeydew.cc.wwu.edu (OverLord of Underlings) writes:

>What most people associate with Satanism is, well alot of bullshit...
>Those that DO go out and kill animals in the name of Satan, or any other 
>diety usually do not represent the true religion... and as far as the net
>goes, would do better in alt.evil, not alt.satanism.

santeristas and voudoun people do animal sacrifices. I fail to see
what is so upsetting about animal sacrifices. many of us eat meat;
we are aware, are we not, that sacrificed animals are usually eaten?
so what's the difference? well, one difference is that in the
ritual sacrifice of an animal the energies associated with that animals
life are channeled to a specific magickal or religious purpose. what
happens to said energies when the animal is killed in a slaughterhouse?

the most complete system of animal sacrifice known takes up much
of the books of leviticus and deuteronomy in the bible. the
reason modern jews do not use this system has nothing to do with 
morality or ethics (I believe there are some remnants of judaic
ritual sacrifice in kosher slaughtering technique); it has to do
with the fact that by the first century AD the *only* acceptable
place to perform animal sacrifices was the Temple in Jerusalem,
and when the romans destroyed that (as part of their suppression 
of the rebellion of the late 60's AD) there was no religiously
acceptable place left to perform these sacrifices. modern jews
who wish to rebuild the temple in jerusalem (admittedly a rather 
loony bunch) will tell you that when the temple is rebuilt they
will reinstitute the traditional system.


note: this article is extensively crossposted; please edit the
followup line appropriately.

josh
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: n9146269@henson.cc.wwu.edu (OverLord of Underlings)
Subject: Re: fell from heaven?
Organization: Western Washington University
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:35:40 GMT

v125njuc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (DA BIG FAT FUNKY BUTT-GROOVE) writes:


>	I'd like to hear any theory on how Satan came to be.  Did
>"god's" jealousy of lucifer's power cause him to throw lucifer out
>of heaven?  Anything like that?
>	Sean

Lucifer was God's favorite, but Lucifer(L) was jealous of God's power...
L raised an army to overthrow G and G casted him out... In many versions of
the Judeo-Christian philosophy/belief, L is still G's favorite, and G is
waiting for the day that L comes back for forgiveness...

But that isn't the " God is an angry God " etc etc view that we get to see
so much of...
-- 
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RWD
_O_  Ryan Walker Davis >> The HeadHunter >> OverLord of Underlings
 |   n9146269@henson.cc.wwu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: pierre@cs.UAlberta.CA (Pierre Honeyman)
Subject: Re: Sorry I didn't impress you geeks,but that really wasn't the intent
Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 02:07:09 GMT

I deleted the article because it was not much better than the first one...
anyways I will respond in kind...

You are an asshole, glad your account is getting nuked.

Pierre
From: tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Some points...
Date: 9 Apr 92 00:57:32 GMT
Reply-To: tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney)
Organization: Looking at my Little Footsies in Delight

In article <1992Apr8.194355.16973@usl.edu> rps5646@usl.edu (Sasser Richard P)
writes:
>Oh, and I read that Lucifer means 'Light-Bringer' somewhere,  I find this to
>be too close to Promethues to be a coincidence, in fact wrote a research paper
>on it a long time ago.  In any case, I would appreciate comments on this.

Try Nebuchadnezzar.  "Lucifer" as a demon is an error resulting from a
flawed medieval translation (the vulgate) of a Hebrew rant against this
infamous king of Babylon.  He was referred to mockingly as the morning
star, to the effect of "How art thou fallen, o Light-Bringer, lord of
the mighty!"
-- 
Tim Maroney, Communications and User Interface Engineer
{apple!sun}!hoptoad!tim, tim@toad.com

"I was bitter when I met you, I was eloquent with rage...." -- Annie Lennox
From: joshua@wiretap.wiretap.Spies.COM (Joshua Geller)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Sorry I didn't impress you geeks,but that really wasn't the intent
Date: 14 Apr 92 02:16:16 GMT
Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
In-reply-to: 901371d@aucs.acadiau.ca's message of 12 Apr 92 15:54:43 GMT


fascinating.

josh
From: J024330@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: 7 Sorry I didn't impress you geeks,but that really wasn't the intent
Date: 14 Apr 92 13:27:26 GMT
Article-I.D.: LMSC5.92105.23180.J024330
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.



It is better to let the world think you are a fool, than to open your
mouth and remove all doubt.

:-)


------------------------- Original Article -------------------------
 So I didn't proof read the fuck'n letter,if you couldn't get the message
well then I fucked up,but I would say the message was more then clear man
,as clear as any opion that needs to be spoken.Well I do really regret posting
such an unedited letter to such a group of intellectuals who to me see to scared
correct or otherwise,I could care less,I'm not here to impress anyone,
I live for myself and NOBODY ELSE.I'm not some tough headbanger that fells
like he has to shake his head when ever he feels that it's the thing to do.But
I'm not against it either,or any other "social regect",call it what you want
So start speeking you mind,this news group wasn't made to be fuck'n conservative
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The stick that stands alone is the strongest.
                                              -Dio
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: jon@cyclone.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum)
Subject: Re: No More Christian BS!
Originator: jon@cyclone
Keywords: satanism
Organization: The MITRE Corp. McLean Va.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 21:26:43 GMT


In article <1992Apr5.055540.10840@panix.com>, rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding) writes:
> Let's try to keep the discussion to Satanism. Not Christianity.
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Reuben Radding                   | "The indignation of fools
> Internet: rdr@panix.com          |  is my favorite crown."
> also: {apple, cmcl2}!panix!rdr   |               --Ben Hecht

Here, here!  I must agree with the gentleman from PANIX.
-- 

<jon@mitre.org>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: jhbrown@athena.mit.edu (Jeremy H Brown)
Subject: Re: You guys are full of shit,both christian and satanists
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:01:43 GMT

I received this gem in a private email response to my last posting, and thought
it was too relevant, too brilliant, too inspiring, to keep to myself.  For
all of you who fail to see the wisdom inherent in the following words, I 
apologize for cluttering your news-readers.  For those unable to read 
illitispeech (apparently the native language of this pos(t)er,) I have provided
a translation afterward.

--------------------------------------------------
(headers deleted)
From: 901371d@aucs.acadiau.ca (Di Dio)
Message-Id: <9204111736.AA11148@aucs.acadiau.ca>
To: jhbrown@Athena.MIT.EDU
Subject: Re: You guys are full of shit,both christian and satanists
Newsgroups: alt.satanism

In alt.satanism you write:
Did you read the article,or just the tittle,which has nothing to
do with the contents if you had of read it,it's just to deture people
from reading the article that I may know.
So fuck you you fucking geek!

>Let's all hear it for coherent, well-thought-out arguments presented
>in a literate, convincing fashion.

>Jeremy


--------------------------------------------------
Translation, short form, substitute:
title for tittle
had for had of
deter for deture

--------------------------------

Fully translated into American-English the email actually read:

In alt.satanism you write:
>Let's all hear it for coherent, well-thought-out arguments presented
>in a literate, convincing fashion.

>Jeremy

It seems to me, based on the factual errors in your posting, that you 
responded in haste and wrote regarding only the title of my posting, rather
than examining in any detail the contents of my posting.  In fact, the title
has rather little to do with the contents as it was written with the intent
of keeping a few people I know from reading any further.

I resent your sarcasm; I am suffering horrible feelings of personal inadequacy
because of you.

---------------------------------

If I receive more pearls of such wisdom, I shall make sure to share them
with this newsgroup until we all get sick laughing or just tired of the
ongoing annoyance value.

Jeremy
From: rhr9081@hertz.njit.edu (Ray Rich)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Even More Satan Jokes!
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:39:53 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Apr7.235552.27445@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> pfb4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Paul F Byrne) writes:
>In article <920406052101_70253.2621_CHC66-1@CompuServe.COM> 70253.2621@CompuServe.COM (Chris Colvin) writes:
>>
>>Though you're misguided, God still loves you, and there's still time
>>for you.
>>
>>Love and peace to you all.
>>
>>
>>Chris  :-)
>>
>
>will you damn people ever leave us the fuck alone with your
>hypocritical, self-righteous bullshit. 
>fine, your all right, we're all going to burn in
>hell while you r in heaven having fun. 
>so why don't you just get the fuck off of our newsgroup

	What I don't understand is, given the constricting nature of Christian
religion, how could they have anything remotely resembling fun in heaven.  Play
canasta maybe?  Oooh sounds like fun to me.  I'm ready to give up my life to
play canasta in the eternal afterlife.




NOT!

					Prepared to Burn for my Sins,
							Raythrax
From: esterbro@boswell.egr.msu.edu (Charles Esterbrook)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: The (almost) last of the series (Re: Hell)
Date: 5 Apr 92 17:46:20 GMT
Reply-To: esterbro@boswell.egr.msu.edu (Charles Esterbrook)
Organization: College of Engineering, Michigan State University


In article <1992Apr3.023415.10345@rice.edu>, davies@owlnet.rice.edu (Stephen Clark Davies) writes:

[...]

|> 	My point is merely this: asking for "scientific evidence" for
|> Christianity (and there is plenty) is no more reliable than believing the
|> testimonies of the witnesses of Christianity.  Your search for a reliable
|> source is going to utterly fail, because there IS NO reliable source.  Not for
|> Christianity, not for anything.
|> 	I belive that there is a place called India.  Why?  I have never been
|> there.  I have never even known anyone *from* there.  The answer is simply
|> this: I have seen maps of it and heard others talk about it.  I have believed
|> their testimony that there is another place.  Is that so strange?  I think
|> not.  But keep in mind that I *have* simply believed a hypothesis based on 
|> the testimony of others.
|> 

[...]

But are there thirty different people telling you what the country resides on
the southern portion of the Asian continent? Have you never seen a film of India?
Met an Indian? Seen Indian food? Talked to people who were there? Most people
believe that India exists, because its *reasonable* to.

Personally, I don't want scientific evidence of Christianity, because there 
are certain things that science cannot prove. I'll agree with you there.
But I do want a reasonable explanation of why Christianity should be one's
way of life.

|> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|> |             Stephen "Mouse" Davies  --  davies@owlnet.rice.edu              |
|> | Rice University:  The Best College Buy in America!  -- Money Magazine, 1991 |
|> +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

,----------------------------------------------------------------,
|  Chuck Esterbrook                      | MSU - 136 E Shaw      |
|  -Comp Sci Student, Michigan State     | E Lansing, MI 48825   |
|  -Consultant, Case Center for CAE/CAM  | esterbro@egr.msu.edu  |
|                                        | esterbro@cps.msu.edu  |
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Xref: sparky alt.satanism:1287 talk.religion.misc:6399 alt.pagan:4501 alt.magick:1955
From: wsb2@Drum.CC.MsState.Edu (William S. Brandon)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc,soc.culture.judaism,alt.pagan,alt.magick
Subject: Re: Animal Sacrifice (was: Re: Raising Satanic children)
Date: 8 Apr 92 14:55:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: ra.1992Apr8.145544.18548
Organization: Mississippi State University

Have any of you ever been part of another religion prior to Satanism?
Also, is Satanism a religion or a way of life? (I distinguish between the two)

S Brandon
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: elambert@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Eber Lambert)
Subject: Re: Backward Masking
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Distribution: world,local
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 18:59:10 GMT


BTW ... "Jesus Saves" played backward sounds like "Send Money".

el
--
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Something to ponder...
Date: 9 Apr 92 23:57:25 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <92097.114021TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu>, TJK115@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> Did anybody ever check out the christian center on net?
> (Soc.religion.christian)  If so did you ever ask yourself
> why do they monitor it?  Hmmmmmm...could it be they don't
> want Satanists and other netpeople they enjoy annoying to
> come down and annoy the hell out themselves?  So much for
> open-minded conversations there.  What a fuckin' bunch of
> hypocrites.
> 
> --the mocking religion of hatred that burns in the night
> Suaron

Yes. Shaitan tried posting there and they bounced him quicker than you could
say the sacred words of praise "hail Satan."

--The Antichrist
From: 901371d@aucs.acadiau.ca (Di Dio)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Sorry I didn't impress you geeks,but that really wasn't the intent
Date: 12 Apr 92 15:54:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: aucs.901371d.703094083
Organization: Acadia University


 So I didn't proof read the fuck'n letter,if you couldn't get the message
well then I fucked up,but I would say the message was more then clear man
,as clear as any opion that needs to be spoken.Well I do really regret posting
such an unedited letter to such a group of intellectuals who to me see to scaredto express there feeling in this group.I want to shout my words,gramatically
correct or otherwise,I could care less,I'm not here to impress anyone,
I live for myself and NOBODY ELSE.I'm not some tough headbanger that fells
like he has to shake his head when ever he feels that it's the thing to do.But
I'm not against it either,or any other "social regect",call it what you want
So start speeking you mind,this news group wasn't made to be fuck'n conservative
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The stick that stands alone is the strongest.
                                              -Dio
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: hoagy@engin.umich.edu (Matthew Rupert)
Subject: Re: SurVey
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 92 14:05:41 EDT
Organization: Kampus Krusade for Kush
Keywords: questionnaire

>> 1. What religion are you?
	Agnostic
>> 2. If you are a Satanist, how would you describe your attitude towards Satan?
	N/A
>> 3. What is your main purpose in reading this newsgroup?
	Amusing debates
>> 4. What is your opinion of _The Satanic Bible_?
	While I do not agree with some ideas presented therein,
   I find it to be entertaining and quite honest in its dealings.
>> 5. Agree/disagree:  the teachings of Christianity are wrong.
	Disagree.  Good principles(do not kill, do not steal),
	but an age-old concept.  It's too predated.
>> 6. What other newsgroups do you read?
	all the unix administratives, rec.music.beatles, rec.martial-arts,
	and a smidgen of other lesser ones.
>> 7. Do you attend a religious forum (such as church) regularly?
	Nope.
>> 8. Do you listen to heavy metal?
	Nope.
>> 9. Do you have any Pink Floyd posters?
	Nope.
>>10. Do you deliberately reverse your tapes and listen to them backwards?
	I used to.  had a 4-track recorder.  This was due to a large
	list being published, so I compiled together some songs on that list.
	Most amusing.
>>11. Have demons visited you while/after listening to heavy metal?
	Two.  They were looking for Jehovas Witnesses.
>>12. Do you attribute your religion to backwards masking on Led Zeppelin's
>>    "Stairway to Heaven"?
	Nah.  I blame the theme song from "Hawaaii Five-Oh"
>>13. Do you play fantasy role-playing games?
	Sure do.  AD&D, RuneQuest, Warhammer, Shadowrun, and a few more.
>>14. How old are you?
	22.  And you?
>>15. What gender are you?
	Male.
>>16. How do you spell "Satan"?
	R-O-L-A-I-D-S.    I believe 'satan' is correct.
>>17. How often do you participate in orgies?
	Once every other cloudy Tuesday.
>>18. Have you read the works of celebrated Christian talk-show host Bob Larson?
	Yes.  I was in hysterics for three weeks.  Tooke me four more to
	fully recover.
>>19. Are you a member of a nationwide Satanic organization plotting to take
>>    over the government?
	No, but I do put Ex-Lax in my brownies when I go to Church bake
	sales.
>>20. Do you wear a religious symbol?  If so, please list.
	A wear a kung-fu pendant which has the Yin-Yang symbol.
	Some have asked me what church I'm from(seriously).
	I did more research on it, and still can't find out where that
	is affiliated with a church/religion.
>>21. Do you take this survey seriously?
	Well, you asked, and ye shall receive.
-- 
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Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: jon@cyclone.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum)
Subject: Re: Satan was a weenie
Originator: jon@cyclone
Keywords: penis, phallus
Organization: The MITRE Corp. McLean Va.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:50:39 GMT


In article <1992Apr15.151618.4061@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v116hgth@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu (Julie A Darmody) writes:
> 
> You guys have a lot to learn about reality. Jesus is lord and you all
> are damned to hell. I hope you and your children rot and burn for eternity.
> 
> 

First she invades alt.drugs, now a.s.  Geez! Leave us alone jules.
-- 

<jon@mitre.org>
Xref: sparky alt.satanism:1290 talk.religion.misc:6406
From: rdr@panix.com (Reuben Radding)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,talk.religion.misc
Subject: Re: Raising Satanic children
Date: 8 Apr 92 15:14:15 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <ku49krINNqp0@aludra.usc.edu> brantiga@aludra.usc.edu (Jason Brantigan) writes:

>>Someone help me here, please.  I mean these all as serious--not flippant--
>>questions.

>First of all, the term/name "Satan" simply means "adversary" and I think 
>stemmed from Judaism (that is, pre-Christian).

>"Satan", from the point of view of the Satanist, reverts back to this earlier
>definition and represents opposition to ANY religion that serves to stifle 
>humanity's primal instincts/lusts/desires.

>As I understand it, the name of "Satan" was adopted primarily for it's shock
>value which has helped it to become noticed in today's society.  For instance,
>if the Church of Satan had instead named itself "The Order of Melek Taus", few
>people if any would have taken any notice and the group would have been swept
>under the carpet, so to speak.

>As a Satanist, you can accept whatever image appeals to you most.  What is 
>important is the philosophies which have stemmed the movement.  Images are all
>secondary at most.  

>Did I forget anything?


I agree wholeheartedly. Philosophy is the important thing. The Christians
would like to argue over and over about Satan, not thinking that perhaps
we don't see "Satan" as being what they think it is. OR if they do 
recognize that, they say that it doesn't matter, that it's enough to
send us to "hell" anyway. <yawn>

Imagery is very important, but it's a *personal* thing. Then again, on
a societal level you want symbology that is accurate, and Satan has proved
time and again to be exactly that. And I mean that on numerous levels.

(
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Reuben Radding                   | "The indignation of fools
Internet: rdr@panix.com          |  is my favorite crown."
also: {apple, cmcl2}!panix!rdr   |               --Ben Hecht
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Say-tan-ism?
Date: 11 Apr 92 13:48:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: ulkyvx.1992Apr11.094808.1
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <ogorman.702931686@unix1.tcd.ie>, ogorman@unix1.tcd.ie (Lucifuge) 
writes:
> With all due respect, the arguments I've read here with regard to what
> Satanism is read as just so much sophistry. There is nothing in what
> I've read that validates the use of the word Satanism. All the
> philosopies espoused have are simply re-hashes of purely secular ones.
> The claim that it is the philosophy which counts is belied by the name.
> Satanism. The word implies belief in and worship of an entity. The image of
> Satanism is mainly taken from the Malleus Maleficarum, a product of the
> Christian faith. The concept of Satan as an entity is taken from the
> Christian faith. As I remember the old testament refers to 'a satan'.
> Uncapitalised. Not an individual and furthermore subservient to the
> God. In short it seems to me (a *neutral - I don't really care either
> way* outsider) that the only thing which it accrues you is indeed that
> image. And perhaps the opportunity to tell people who think you baby
> eating, blood drinking maniacs how wrong they are? 
> 
> Anyways, just impressions. If you think I'm way out of line please
> remember: a flame might make me laugh but an intelligent response will
> make me think. Responses are welcome.
> 
> Ollie...
> 
> 'serpent jesus/snake of christ/nailed to a cross of holy design' danzig 

I'll point out that there are a few people here that do believe in Satan,
personification of evil, locked in mortal combat with God, the whole nine
yards. Perhaps some of the details are changed (e.g. God may not be destined
to win), but the image is to a great extent true to the Christian image.
Wouldn't it be correct for these people to describe themselves as 'Satanists'?

LaVey came along in the '60s and did a good job of muddying up the waters.
Since then Satanism has been open to almost any interpretation. It may not be
historically accurate, but how to convince others of this? If I could change
it, I'd be happy to. I don't care for the fact that when I describe myself as
a Satanist, people assume I must follow the _Satanic Bible_. Assumptions that
I'm a baby-eating blood-drinking maniac are easier to deal with because I'm
obviously such a nice person   ;-)

--Semhaza (hi :) )
'serpent jesus/snake of christ/gonna build you/a world of lies' danzig
(Gee, all the smileys...doesn't look very Satanic to me...)
From: MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: fell from heaven?
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:12:50 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: HAM - Hackers Against MUDs
X-Subliminal-Message: IBM/370 assembler is your friend.

In article <1992Apr7.150636.27946@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
v125njuc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (DA BIG FAT FUNKY BUTT-GROOVE) says:
>
>        I'd like to hear any theory on how Satan came to be.  Did
>"god's" jealousy of lucifer's power cause him to throw lucifer out
>of heaven?  Anything like that?
>        Sean

Not a theory, but a joke I saw in a magazine once:
We have god with puppets on each hand, one of jesus, and one of the holy
spirit. He's yelling at lucifer, "whaddaya mean you saw my lips move?"

Martin Schulte