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From: arent@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Bill Arent)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: RED & BLUE Results (PENN preseason scrimmage)
Keywords: Ivy Title?  PENN-UoVA opener at Palestra?
Date: 23 Nov 92 20:20:02 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <9179@arccs1.fed.FRB.GOV> m1rak00@fed.frb.gov (Roman A. Kramarchuk) writes:
>>FINAL NOTE:  The loss of off guard Will McCallister hurts this team
>>a lot.  No one defender (in the Ivies) could hold Will one-on-one; this
>>opened up open J's for the rest of the Quakers.  Hopefully Pierce wil 
>>step up and fill the void.
>
>What happened to McCallister? injury ? transfer ? concentrating on academics ?
>I remember him being an explosive player - Ivy Rookie of the Year and all.
Will was Ivy R.O.Y. in the 1990-91 season.  I believe he's on a leave of 
absence, citing academic reasons.  I'm not sure if he's planning to return 
next year.  If he does PENN should be a LOCK for the Ivy Title. 
>
>Also any updates/news/predictions on the Big 5 or Ivy teams would be appreciated.
PREDICTION: PENN will win the Ivy Title by beating Princeton at the Palestra
(home) but losing at Princeton.  Someone for P.U. will have to step up to 
fill the void left by pg Sean Jackson (the former Buckeye, I think).  PENN
has a lot of depth this year, especially in the middle, which used to be a
MAJOR weakness.  Team leadership could pose a problem if they do reach the
NCAAs.
BIG 5 ACTION: I see PENN beating St. Joe's (home) and LaSalle (away) while
losing to Temple and Nova.  The Nova game (Spectrum) should be close, but
Nova is more used to playing in front of a big game crowd.
UPSET OF THE MONTH (december): PENN 81, UoVirginia 77
It will be nice to see an ACC team lose to an IVY LEAGUE powerhouse. :)
It will be nice to see an ACC team lose, period. :)  
[I shouldn't provoke Curtis and Co. like this, but ..]

- Bill
From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Loyola Marymount
Date: 23 Nov 92 15:48:37 GMT
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <By3HBp.J9K@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>	If this is true, the one guy I feel sorry for is UCLA transfer
>	Zan Mason.  From it seemed like, he transferred to Loyola Marymount
>	to get more playing time, and in the high-tempo offense, perhaps
>	put up the big numbers that players such as Bo Kimble and Hank
>	Gathers had put up.  It would have been a great chance for him


Well ask a UCLA fan and most of us will tell you Zan Mason couldn't put up
big numbers in an empty gym. Mason was a total bust at UCLA, he's a very
good athlete, but totally uncoordinated with the ball, can't shoot, dribble,
pass or catch a basketball. A lot like Curtis Price at DePaul, great leaper
but horrible player. Most of Zan's time at UCLA was spent impersonating a 
scholarship player. Its really hard to fathom that at one point, he was rated
higher than the either Mitchell Butler or Tracy Murray(the 3 were recruited
the same year), he was a 2nd team Parade All American as a junior.




Russ Smith
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From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: La Victoire!!!
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:51:42 GMT
Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.

My French is getting rusty.

I heard on ESPN Sportscenter that
the French National Team defeated Georgetown in an exhibition game.
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	THANK GOD IT'S BASKETBALL SEASON!!!!!
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good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me.
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From: pa56680@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (P. Ialamanna)
Subject: Re: Much delayed Cumulative US Olympic Team Stats
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:43:35 GMT

Shit, I've been knocking my brains out trying to figure the 8-man college
developmental team that beat the Dream Team. Help me out guys!
This will definitely be one of those sports trivia questions in the future.
So far I have:

Bobby Hurley - Duke
Grant Hill - Duke
Jamal Mashburn - Kentucky
Anfernee Hardaway - Memphis State
Chris Webber - Michigan
Eric Montross - North Carolina
Allan Houston - Tennessee

Could it be Jalen Rose? Or that dude from Seton Hall?
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From: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Subject: Re: 30 sec. clock, 6 fouls, 128 team tourny.
Reply-To: oday@lobster.gsfc.nasa.gov  (Orin Day)
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 16:53:29 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.050114.104229@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu  
(MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN) writes:

> Ok, Here is the deal, shit conferences like the big 53, small 18, Patriot
> League and big east (A little Maryland/ACC homerism) get no auto berths.  How
> often does Lehigh beat say the Terps.

The number is statistically significant...

> All the ACC teams could beat these loser conference winner (well, maybe not
> clemson).

How often?  9 out of 10 times?  99 out of 100 times?  A #2 seed lost last
year in the first round!  So why exclude the lesser teams?  It makes their
season to go, whereas there's always the NIT for the good (record) small
teams that lose their conference tournaments and the teams from the lower
middle of the big conferences.  There are about 300 Division I basketball
schools, and about 90 teams go to the postseason (NIT or NCAA).  This is
not hockey or the NBA, after all.  

> Why not let the coaches rank the top 64 or 128 or 516 or 100000 teams or
> what ever and let them play for the title.

Because the coaches are too busy coaching all year.  We don't have an NCAA
selection committee for nothing.

> Or, if you don't want to do this give automatic berths on the basis of how
> many teams per conference make it to the second round of the dance.

This is basing tournament bids on a prior year's performance.  Irrelevant.
Players graduate, conference alignments change.  There are plenty of
automatic berths as is.  And often a team that has a so-so season, yet
wins a conference tournament is a "hot" team that will make impact in
the tourney.  So the best teams at the end of the year as well as the
best teams for the "whole" year go.  

> Discount matchups where both teams are in the same conference

Now you are being foolish, since conference foes cannot meet in
the NCAA's until at least the round of 16, and usually are not
seeded to meet until the round of 8.

> The best conferences have harder schedules for the teams.

This goes without saying, and is even more of a factor now that
conferences are getting bigger and the # of games in the season
is shrinking.  But the NCAA takes strength of schedule into account
before giving bids, examining "quality" wins and "quality" losses.

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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 14:58:43 -0500 
From: Thomas Swann <ts3m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Ben Davis xfer to UVA

What is the scoop on Ben Davis, who just transferred to UVA from Kansas?
 I understand he is a 6'8" center, and played with Cory Alexander and
Junior Burrough in high school.  Also, I believe he will be eligible
come springtime, but not before.  If he is as good as his HS mates, does
this vault UVA into the top 25?

I saw the Hoos beat the Lobos in the NIT last spring, and I see great
things in the next few years if Jeff Jones can get good recruits.


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now appearing at GSIA (Carnegie Mellon University - 1994)
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From: richt@meaddata.com (Rich Thompson)
Subject: Re: Duke Smokes High-Five America, NOT!
Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 13:16:12 GMT
Distribution: usa

trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH) writes:
|> 
|> Duke deep-sixed High Five America last night, 105-82.

If you think High 5 is smarting from their beating from Duke,
they took an even BIGGER beating from Kentucky last night: 113-84.

Rich
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From: yoonho@taipei.eecs.umich.edu (Yoonho Park)
Subject: Re: Mich home games Dec 5-10?
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 13:15:30 GMT

Joe Malnar writes:
>Could someone let me know if Michigan has any home games Dec 5-10?
>Thanks.

  Mon 12/7 @ 7:30P, Detroit Mercy
  Wed 12/9 @ 7:30P, Bowling Green

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From: mlsa@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MICHAEL LAUREN SHERMAN)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: An Outrage
Date: 19 Nov 92 04:44:11 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <26700@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, curtis@optima.UUCP (Curtis E. Dyreson)
 writes:
>From article <matthew.722040336@base.cs.ucla.edu>, by matthew@base.cs.ucla.edu
(Matthew Merzbacher):
>> The UPI and AP polls came out, and Utah wasn't on either list.
>> What *could* they pollsters have been thinking?
>> --
>
>Really Matthew, aren't you forgetting the poll quotas brought to you
>by the evil ECMB?  Just to reiterate
>
>Grouping        Teams in Top-25
>Big-10               10-12
>Pac-10                1-2
>Notre Dame/Depaul       3
>Big-West(UNLV)          1
>Big-West(nonUNLV)       0
>Big-8                   ?  (Varies due to phantom probations in pollsters minds
)
>Big East              4-5  (Even though it's like watching paint dry, it happen
s
>                            to be Eastern paint)
>Big Sky             Get Real
>WAC                     1
Did we forget the conference that is first in Alphabetical order and first in
the NCAA--- For all you Big-fuckingdeal conference fans, thats the ACC.!!!!!


>
>Doesn't matter if Josh Grant is godlike, the WAC quota has been filled by BYU.
>
>Curtis Dyreson
>
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From: as232@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Michael Lerner)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: NIT - BORE
Date: 22 Nov 1992 06:49:15 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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I hate it when all the "big name" teams win in these tournaments.  If this
sort of development is the result of 2 weeks less practice for teams, the
NCAA has pulled yet another boner.  But let's face it, they're .000 (To steal
a baseball terminology, ahem) since the 3-pt shot (ITEM: Prop-48. ITEM: 2-
shots after 10 team fouls.  ITEM: Technical foul=counts as team foul).

Who do you root for in the NIT?!  The Looziers?  I can't cheer for FSU after
what they did (By pure luck) to Louisville 2 years ago in the Metro.   Cheer
for UCLA?!  Never.  Sure, UCLA sucks and are the obvious underdog, but I
could never commit such a crime (After they cheated Pervis on a bad goal-
tending call 4 or 5 years ago, I've lost all respect for them).  So, that
leaves Seton Hall.  OK, isn't that the team with a player named "Chaka Shipp"?
I guess I'll just have to go with PJ.  Jeez, what slim pickin's!! ;-)

Mike
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From: skipb@cwis.unomaha.edu (Skip Burrell)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Nebraska wins exhibition.
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:36:49 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

Surprising absolutely no one, the Cornhuskers from Nebraska defeated the Cuban
National team 114 - 76. While the Cuban's are by no means a good team, this
was a good chance to get a look at the new players that will be playing for
the huskers this year. Three true freshmen, a red-shirt freshman, and a
junior transfer all made large contributions while complimenting the 4
returning starters. This team should live up to, and very likely surpass, the
preseason expectations. Derek Chandler (the lone senior) lead NU scorers with 
21 points, junior Eric Piatkowski had 20, true freshman Eric Strickland had
18. I think fr. Joran Boone had 16, red-shirt fr. Terrance Badgett had 14 and
fr. Andre Woolridge had 12 points, Jr. Bruce Chubick had 9, Jr. Jamar Johnson 
had 6 points with a zillion assists, and Jr. Tom Best had 2 pts. 

Not bad for posting from memory eh? Anyway, when Amos Gregory is eligible
again on the 19th of December, the Husker's should have a 10 deep rotation of
players. Three big men: Chandler 6-10, Gregory 6-9, and Best 6-8. Forwards
Piatkowski 6-6, Chubick 6-7, and Badgett 6-6. And guards: Johnson, Boone,
Strickland, and Woolridge (I don't remember their sizes).

Nebraska fans are excited about the potential this team has. I'm predicting a
3rd place, and maybe even 2nd place, finish in the Big 8. And a very good
chance of making it to the sweet sixteen in the big dance.

Here's to a great season!!

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My Disclaimer: Any opinion I may have stated was purely unintentional!
From: m1rak00@fed.frb.gov (Roman A. Kramarchuk)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: RED & BLUE Results (PENN preseason scrimmage)
Keywords: Ivy Title?  PENN-UoVA opener at Palestra?
Date: 18 Nov 92 19:21:26 GMT
Reply-To: m1rak00@fed.frb.gov (Roman A. Kramarchuk)
Organization: Federal Reserve Board, Wash, DC

>FINAL NOTE:  The loss of off guard Will McCallister hurts this team
>a lot.  No one defender (in the Ivies) could hold Will one-on-one; this
>opened up open J's for the rest of the Quakers.  Hopefully Pierce wil 
>step up and fill the void.

What happened to McCallister? injury ? transfer ? concentrating on academics ?
I remember him being an explosive player - Ivy Rookie of the Year and all.

Also any updates/news/predictions on the Big 5 or Ivy teams would be appreciated.
From: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu (R.CLOUGH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: Consensus top 20, Updated (why not Top 25?)
Date: 23 Nov 92 21:28:02 GMT
Reply-To: trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <19120.2b10c87e@ecs.umass.edu>, rajain@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>>  I thought it might be interesting to average out the rankings of the major
>> sports mags and polls top 20. 
>	That was nice, but pray tell us why didn't you choose to go
>	with the "normal" procedure of reporting Top 25 ????
>	Why this "Top 20" concensus only ?

Why? Because many of these polls only had top 20 teams, and didn't go up to
25.  I tried to include as many polls as I could, and #'s 20-25 in some polls
had to suffer.  Reporting it as a top 25 poll would not have been exactly
accurate, since I didn't look at 25-team polls.  Clear?

>	Maybe cuz UMASS!!! would have figured at "# 25" ??

Nahhhhhh.  I might have included William Henry Harrison at #25, though.
 The Influenzas R00L!!
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From: dan@engr.latech.edu (Daniel Len Schales)
Subject: Re: Women's Basketball?
Organization: Louisiana Tech University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 20:24:16 GMT

Scott M. Stortzum (sms35849@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: My girlfriend is a cheerleader here at the U of Illinois
: and will be cheering at all of the Women's B-ball games.  She
: wishes to know if all other basketball fanatics hate Women's 
: B-ball like myself and countless friends.  She wants to know
: what the big difference is between the two - she believes 
: B-ball is B-ball, no matter who is participating.  We (myself
: and others) have tried to explain our perspectives to her, but
: she wants unbiased opinions of total strangers.
: 
: I hope I become a fan quick, 'cause I'LL be at all of the games
: :-P
: 
: 
: Later days, and cheers to Lou Henson for bringing in a top 10
: recruiting class like he promised!!
: 
: Scott 

Well it is just like men's basketball it depends on the quality
of the teams involved. We are fortunate here at Louisiana Tech
to have one of the premier programs in women's basketball, however
this does not always guarantee a good game.  There is not the
same level of parity in womens basketball as there is in
mens. I have seen the Lady Techster's blow out teams by over
100 points, which of course while good for the school ego, is
not exactly entertaining after a few minutes. On the other hand
when they play quality teams, the games can be very entertaining
(no you probably want get any 360 dunks). 

Of course I have probably been spoiled after all of these years
of high quality play (despite the last 2 years misfortunes),
but some of the best execution I have ever seen in a basketball
game occurred in women's games.


Enjoy the games.....

Danny

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From: ddn@cbnews.cb.att.com (david.d.nason)
Subject: Avondre Jones
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:06:50 GMT

In article <56957@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>
>Well Avondre Jones has not signed yet with SC, but it looks like they 
>will lose him too, so yes they are down to O Bannon. If Charles goes to

What do folks know about Avondre Jones?  I understand he's one of three
big men on Ohio State's list for fulfilling their one remaining scholarship.

david

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From: tino@yogi.metray (Vinny Tino)
Subject: Re: NCAA tv listings?
Reply-To: tino@yogi.metray
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 20:41:56 GMT

In article 132158@mccall.com, scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>
>Does anyone have a tv listing for the NCAA games?  Or do you know
>where I can find one(magazine?)?  Any info would be appreciated.
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In the back of Dick Vitale's Basketball preview, there is a list of the year's
games on ESPN...

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From: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: WANTED: Recruiting class rankings
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:14:30 GMT
Article-I.D.: olivea.56957
Distribution: usa
Organization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA

In article <7034@news.duke.edu> trradrx@canctr.mc.duke.edu writes:
>>With IU's recruits and USC's and California's good recruiting year that's 
>>got to put Jim Harrick on the hot seat.
>
>Yup.  Only Charles o'Bannon can save them now.  The real kicker is that there
>were an incredible number of great recruits in California this year, and 
>they're missing out on them.

Well Avondre Jones has not signed yet with SC, but it looks like they 
will lose him too, so yes they are down to O Bannon. If Charles goes to
Kentucky this will be the most disappointing recruiting class I can
remember. all those kids out there and Harrick cannot get even one.
Even if they get Charles, its still a bad class because they missed out
on guys like Vaughn, Stewart, Mandeville and apparently Robinson too.




Russ Smith
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From: mdc2@sns.ctt.bellcore.com (Mike Connelly)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.college
Subject: Re: UNC all-time greats
Keywords: who dey be
Date: 18 Nov 92 23:32:32 GMT
Organization: Bell Communications Research, Inc.

rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
>>jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>>
>>>	G - Eddie Jordan 18 (9)  <--- unanimous choice
>>>	G - Gerald Ford 14 (7)
>>>	F - Steve Worthy 16 (7)
>>>	F - Eric Davis 11 (4)
>>>	C - Carl Perkins 11 (4)
>
>Worth a shot.
>
>Eddie is Michaels older brotherm the one Mike claims taught him everything
>he knows about hoops.

Eddie Jordan played for Rutgers also (1983 NCAA tournament team?)
and is currently an assistant coach at RU.

>Steve Worthy played for Rutgers.

Make that "plays"... He was a juco transfer last year and starts his
senior season tomorrow night against Tennessee in Piscataway (can't
wait!)  If you see a fellow on ESPN tomorrow night behind RU's 2nd
half basket, 5th row up, 3 or 4 seats to the left of the hoop, wearing
a white T-shirt that says "Scarlet Knight Hoops", that would be me.

>Eric Davis is on the Dodgers(or a bad cornerback for the 49ers).
>
>Gerald Ford is a really bad amateur golfer, and apparently once
>held political office.
>
>Carl Perkins is the old guy on Mutual of Omahas Wild Kingdom show who
>always hid behind the "protective screen" while his lowly assistants
>tagged the cheetah.

Carl was my freshman year roommate at MSU... Oh, you mean the famous one?
He sang Blue Suede Shoes.

>Russ Smith

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