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From: gwr@tantalum.eds.com (George Rapp)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: David St. Angel and The Bird (was: Re: Read Me, I have Information.)
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:52:59 GMT
Reply-To: gwr@tantalum.eds.com
Followup-To: alt.drumcorps
Organization: EDS Research

In article 98p@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu, rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu 
  (rob lawrence dorocke) writes:

> Did anyone catch David St.Angel flicking off the judges when Phantom
> was called in 8th place.  Look for him right bekhind the percussion
> arc.  Its great!!

Rob (or whoever else has seen this) - Did you see this on the PBS 
broadcast, or on the 800 Video Express tapes?  (Or are those one 
and the same, and the PBS broadcast just excludes corps 7-12?) 
I missed his salute while watching my tape of PBS.

The Drum and Bugle Corps bulletin board on Prodigy had some mention 
of this incident, also.  Apparently, Phantom Regiment and Mr. St. 
Angel were fined (one report said over $1000) for this, and he has 
publicly apologized to DCI and to the fans.  (FWIW, I thought 
Phantom got hosed, but I'm a Phantom Phan.)

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My opinions, not shared by EDS.
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips)
Subject: Re: Snare Technology
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 21:36:39 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.052931.9167@vela.acs.oakland.edu> bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F) writes:
>In article <1992Nov6.020651.16305@cgrg.ohio-state.edu> flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips) writes:

>Slingerland went out of business quite a few years ago. Even getting parts
[...]

>of them are going now is not to make the shell stronger, but use light
>weight steel to create a rim that takes all of the stress from the head,
>and thus the strength of the shell is no longer really an issue. It is 
>there just to hold the top & bottom rims together, and direct the air
>column to the snares. This has resulted in many new space-age looking
>drums with no lug casings. One of the major head manufacturers, Remo, has
>been making these kind of drums for awhile, and they are staring to catch
>on strong.

Yeah, I've seen em. I have to admit that I was a little skeptical of remo when
this happened, but now i'm a believer.

 I have a 'lugless' pearl pic-snare I use a lot. It has an
interesting sound since it has no venting...


>The down side of all this is that snare drums now have a completely different
>sound, and not nearly as good a sound (IMHO). The top heads are so hard now

I agree... thus the re-introduction of sound-projecting devices i assume.

>in performance. I know many might argue with this as most lines that never
>knew how to tune before all of a sudden sound great now. But for those lines
>who could afford to go through hundreds of silver dots a season, nothing will
>sound that good again.

Yep, love those silver dots... I'd guess that half of my contribution to one of
the lines I used to teach here is that I got them tuned up... sad but true.


>>It was all simpler when BD marched with North Drums...
>
>Man, you aren't kidding.

Gotta get back to doing my patafla-fla's on my 8-lug ludwig all-chrome...
Thanks for the info.

-- flip



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Flip Phillips					flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
The Ohio State University
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry)
Subject: Re: Drum Corps Alias?
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 03:25:17 GMT

niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein) writes:

>Cymbal line, yes, but Bass line???  Spirit's Bass line has always
>been the best in my book.

Well as long as we're voicing opinions, I don't think there has ever
been a bass line as good as Suncoast in 1985 and 1986.  What other bass
line has more that a 16-count solo.  Talk about a feature....

Later,
Bob

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From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: The Critique (was Re: major staff changes for Phantom)
Date: 9 Nov 1992 16:05:38 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <01050023.hvt3f8@chinchilla.cars.com> chinchilla!niel@cars.com writes:
>
>So, what does the critique do today?  Both the judges and the instructors
>have a very high level of knowledge (at least at the open-class level)
>about the activity and what it takes to get ahead.  I tend to view
>the critique as the judges' chance to, effectively, act as consultants
>to the corps.  Joe fan can't go up to Freddy Martin and say, "Yo, Fred,
>I think if you had changed that second move in the OTL, you would
>have gotten a better M&M score."  The judges can, however.
>
I don't think Freddy Martin would listen to Joe Fan or Mr. Judge.  He'll
just ignore them all say that he knows what's right and wrong.
Just my $0.02.
--David



-- 
 Spirit '88      |"So get off your butt and ride."      |     _,-~o     |
 ?????? '93      |"It's the motor that wins the races." |    _-\_<,     |
                 |               E-mail ddm@wpi.wpi.edu |   (*)/'(*)    |
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: All Stars?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 18:21:02 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov11.072315.8607@iscsvax.uni.edu> phelps1230@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
>I have heard (thru a source that is almost reliable) that there is not going to
>be an All-Star trip this year.  The reason was that the Orange Bowl only lets
>groups perform there once every five years.  Discussion?
>
>Brooke
>Colts '89-'93
>Mellophone

I know that the East All-Stars are going to the Macy's Thanksgiving Day 
Parade in New York City.
--David


-- 
 Spirit '88      |"So get off your butt and ride."      |     _,-~o     |
 ?????? '93      |"It's the motor that wins the races." |    _-\_<,     |
                 |               E-mail ddm@wpi.wpi.edu |   (*)/'(*)    |
From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Voting!
Date: 9 Nov 1992 13:18:56 GMT
Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: mbcrr.harvard.edu
Originator: fath@mbcrr

Yes, don't forget to vote today!!!!!

It is really easy to do  -  just mail a letter to
rmm-vote@blackcat.stortek.com that has these two lines on it:

rec.arts.marching.drumcorps:  Y
rec.arts.marching.misc:  Y

Next week check out alt.drumcorps for a VOTE ACK, which is an acknowledgement
that will be posted that lists the names of everyone who voted.  If you are
on there, GREAT!  It worked.  If not, VOTE!!!

Thanks. 
-- 
--------
Test signature from mbcrr account - M. Fath

Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: bfhalls@vela.acs.oakland.edu (HALLS BRADLEY F)
Subject: Re: The Critique (was Re: major staff changes for Phantom)
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 04:09:24 GMT

In article <01050023.hvt3f8@chinchilla.cars.com> chinchilla!niel@cars.com writes:

>>... You have to realise that it us frustrating to be
>>judged by people who are not as educated in the activity as you would like
>>them to be, but it's something you have to deal with. ...

>This brings up a subject which was bandied about a bit when I marched.
>Originally the critique existed so that the judges could educate the
>instructors as to what they were doing wrong, or what they could improve.
>Later, as the caliber of instruction improved, the instructors started
>using it as an instrument for ranting at the judges.  I don't know
>what happens today.

I don't think that as a whole, one group has been significantly more
knowledgable than another. In fact, most of the judges that I know also
teach, and alot of teachers that I know also judge. The problem is that
it's difficult to find people with the experience needed to be really
good judges. How can you effectively evaluate a top 12 snare line if you've 
never been in one? DCI skirts around this problem by claiming that 
anyone with a general background in music or percussion can judge. It's
just not true. In their defense, it's not like they haven't tried to
recruit more and better judges, because they have. It's just that when 
most kids age out of the activity, they go on to other things.

>So, what does the critique do today?  Both the judges and the instructors
>have a very high level of knowledge (at least at the open-class level)
>about the activity and what it takes to get ahead.  I tend to view
>the critique as the judges' chance to, effectively, act as consultants
>to the corps.  Joe fan can't go up to Freddy Martin and say, "Yo, Fred,
>I think if you had changed that second move in the OTL, you would
>have gotten a better M&M score."  The judges can, however.
>Any thoughts on this?

I think you've summed it up pretty well. For the most part, there is a
mutual respect between both parties and alot of good communication takes
place. There are always times when you get a judge that thinks they
know everything (Sherman Hong, Bill Rice, and a few others come to 
mind) but these are the exception and not the rule.

--Brad.




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From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Use of Off-the-Line mailing list
Date: 12 Nov 1992 12:00:25 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Two questions about the OTL mailing list:
 
First, have any of you (Michael, Deej, or Phil, to whom I'm forwarding this
message/posting) sent a call for votes to the members of the OTL mailing
list?  Some of these people don't have access to alt.drumcorps and may
not know of the vote (any of you remember morgan@cs.uky.edu?  He was a
regular on OTL but I've never seen him on alt.drumcorps).
 
Second, what is the progress on gatewaying alt.drumcorps, alt.colorguard,
and the proposed rec.arts.marching groups to the members of the mailing
list?
 
Finally, what will happen to the alt. newsgroups when the rec.arts.marching
groups are formed?
 
Vince
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: owens@cyclops.cambridge.ibm.com ()
Subject: Re: Possible Shows for 93
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 21:59:38 GMT
Organization: IBM T. J. Watson Research

In article <BxM8pC.2AC@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, rdorocke@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (rob lawrence dorocke) writes:
|> In article <1dtvj0INNa23@early-bird.think.com> fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath) writes:
|> >In article <BxJ0zs.Jq6@news.cso.uiuc.edu> bjh42543@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Brian J. Haag) writes:
|> >>
|> >>Cavies are doing Heroes Lost and Fallen (middle) and Ron Nelson's Morning
|> >>Alleluia (closer).  As of yet they have no opener.
|> >>
|> >>Brian J. Haag
|> >>bjh42543@uiuc.edu
|> >>bhaag@nyx.cs.du.edu
|> >>
|> >THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION!!
|> >How did you get it?  Are you marching with them?  I Jeff Fiedler to ask him and
|> >left a message but he didn't call me back yet.
|> >
|> >So please keep us informed.  
|> >BTW, who wrote Heroes Lost and Fallen?  Are either of these pieces available
|> >on CD?  
|> >
|> Heroes Lost and Fallen was written by David R. gillingham and is not, to the
|> best of my knowledge, on CD.  However I should be getting a copy of it
|> when I played it in HS soon.
|> 
|> Rob Dorocke
|> 
|> >MM   MM FFFFF 	Michael Fath		fath@mbcrr.harvard.edu
|> 
|> 


Has anyone been collecting all this gossip/info about corps this year?
I haven't been... and am having a hard time keeping it all straight, 
so...

I'm going to start keeping a log of each corps with all the little
tid-bits that come across here including music played, personel
changes, camp dates, members/staff/alum on the net? etc... kinda an 
annual-FAQ or something.  If people are interested I'll post it 
every once in a while.

For now... if you know who's playing what, who's teaching whom,
who's marching with whom, when camps and try-outs are... send me a note.  
Send me a note if you teach/taught/march/marched with a corps (and don't 
mind people knowing that :) ).


Thanks,
  Dave Owens

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From: flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Flip Phillips)
Subject: Re: Bass Drum Lines [was: Drum Corps Alias?]
Organization: OSU Advanced Computing Center for the Arts and Design
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 14:56:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov13.032517.20011@hubcap.clemson.edu> rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:
>niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein) writes:
>
>>Cymbal line, yes, but Bass line???  Spirit's Bass line has always
>>been the best in my book.
>
>Well as long as we're voicing opinions, I don't think there has ever
>been a bass line as good as Suncoast in 1985 and 1986.  What other bass
>line has more that a 16-count solo.  Talk about a feature....

Well, my vote for 'most interesting use of a bass drum line' was (canadians,
please correct me) La Offense Lion, back in '80 or so, they tuned each of their
5 drums to 4 pitches, making for very interesting soloing...

For some reason I seem to remember someone back in the early 80's tuning their
toms wierd so, as one moved around the edge of the drum, the pitch misbehaved.

-- flip
-- 
Flip Phillips					flip@cgrg.ohio-state.edu
The Ohio State University
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Todd Ryan & Voting info.
Date: 9 Nov 1992 16:41:53 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov9.005521.1@vax1.umkc.edu> cputnam@vax1.umkc.edu writes:
>
>I read on here a bit ago that Star wasn't asking Todd Ryan back next year.  I
>can't believe they wouldn't ask him back, so I wanted to clear it up.  Whoever
>posted this, could you tell me who you heard it from?  Or if they are a good
>source?  And, if anyone can confirm or deny this travesty.  As I'm trying out
>for Star in 3 weeks, I'm VERY curious who would be taking over if this is true.
>
>Chris
>Star in '93?????
>Baritone
>
>PS-Don't forget about alt.colorguard!!  It's that time of year (almost)!

Who is Todd Tyan.  If he is the man in charge of creativity, then I believe I 
can tell you why he's gone.  Thom Hannum is going full time at Star, and along
with him perc. caption head, I've heard that he is also in charge of the
creative aspects of the show (whatever that is).

--David


-- 
 Spirit '88      |"So get off your butt and ride."      |     _,-~o     |
 ?????? '93      |"It's the motor that wins the races." |    _-\_<,     |
                 |               E-mail ddm@wpi.wpi.edu |   (*)/'(*)    |
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor)
Subject: Re: BOA results
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 17:40:55 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard VCD
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

kurt alan taylor (taylor@news.cis.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: This is my first posting so bare with me.  
                             <bear> - find a spell checker!
: 
: I went to both the prelims and the finals of BOA in Indianapolis
: this past weekend.  I had never been (my high school band never
: had enough money while I was there) so I found it was amazing.
the same with me -

: Some of these top twelve bands would give drum corps a good run
: for there money.  Anyway, the results as I remember them were:
: 
: 1st place      Centerville Jazz Band (Centerville, OH)
: 2nd place      Marion Catholic (somewhere close to Chicago,IL)
: 3rd place      Plymouth Centennial Educational Park (somewhere in MI)
: 4th place      Westerville South (Westerville, OH)
: 5th place      Lake Park (Roselle, IL)
:  
: and I don't remember the placements of the other top twelve.
: 
: If anyone else out there saw the show this weekend then please respond
: if you thought Plymouth was ripped off.  I thought they should have won and
: Centerville should have been second.  I would have put Marion Catholic about
: 5th (BORING)!  What about that California band that played one of Garfield's
: old shows to the 'T'.  They did a decent job but if you saw Garfield do it
: like I did you would've laughed too.
: 
: If there are alums out there from Metamora Township H.S. in Illinois then
: please post so we can chat.

I went there - maybe we know each other?

by the way, how did Metamora do?

: 
: Kurt Taylor
: GO BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bob (trying to pretend I'm not related to Kurt, even if he is my little
brother) Taylor
HP Vancouver
From: ddm@wpi.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Snare Technology
Date: 10 Nov 1992 16:16:24 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov9.224428.1@d0msu6.fnal.gov> jerger@d0msu6.fnal.gov writes:
>> 
>>   3. I have heard plenty of absolutely terrible lines that I could
>>      hear with no problems (unfortunately) and a lot of good ones 
>>      (Vanguard included) that I wish I could hear better. I agree
>       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>this year at Port Huron....sob :-(
>

I've heard a published recording of the Vanguard battery doing a run through
of part (or maybe all) of their show from last year.  They had a lot of meat
in their show that was all real clean (standing still however), but not real
musical.  I think it was from some magazine by the Percussive Arts Society.
--David
-- 
 Spirit '88      |"So get off your butt and ride."      |     _,-~o     |
 ?????? '93      |"It's the motor that wins the races." |    _-\_<,     |
                 |               E-mail ddm@wpi.wpi.edu |   (*)/'(*)    |
From: R.Vincent.Lamb@um.cc.umich.edu
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Parades
Date: 10 Nov 1992 15:37:39 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

 ________________________________________________________________
 
In Message <17292943@um.cc.umich.edu>, Rochelle Patterson wrote 
(Re: Parades):
 
K:Kris Austin forwarded your message to me.  In case you haven't found out
K:already the PCEP Marching Band is going to the Fiesta Bowl this year.  I'm
K:an alum and have a brother who is currently in the band.  Another interesting
K:fact: the PCEP band took third place at MBA Nationals this past Saturday with
K:a score only .2 points behind second place Marion Catholic.  I don't
K:remember the exact score.  Hope this was somewhat helpful.
 
To which I replied:
 ________________________________________________________________
 
R:Thank you very much!  This answers a question asked on the USENET newgroup
R:alt.drumcorps.  An alumna of the PCEP band now at Penn St. (Elizabeth R. Bain
R:Internet address erb107@psuvm.psu.edu) heard that the PCEP band was doing
R:a bunch of fund raising and wondered if they were doing it for a bowl parade.
R:If you know Elizabeth, feel free to establish email contact with her--she
R:has given me permission to give out her email address to PCEP types.
R:
R:The placement of PCEP was posted on the newsgroup, but the closeness of
R:the scores was not (neither were the scores, for that matter).  For what
R:it's worth, at least one reader of the newsgroup thought PCEP was robbed
R:and asked if others thought the same.
 
R:Good reading your message.  Keep in contact.
 
 Rich (Vince) Lamb
From: ddm@bigboote.WPI.EDU (David D Marshall)
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
Subject: Re: Drum Corps Alias?
Date: 13 Nov 92 16:44:29 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: bigboote.wpi.edu

In article <1992Nov13.032517.20011@hubcap.clemson.edu> rwberry@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robert W Berry) writes:
>niel@cars.com (Niel Bornstein) writes:
>
>>Cymbal line, yes, but Bass line???  Spirit's Bass line has always
>>been the best in my book.
>
>Well as long as we're voicing opinions, I don't think there has ever
>been a bass line as good as Suncoast in 1985 and 1986.  What other bass
>line has more that a 16-count solo.  Talk about a feature....

In Spirit '87, the top three basses played

. = 16th       -3- -3- 
            2| .   .   .___ |                     
            -|  .   .       |      in the drum solo, and could split rolls 
            4|   .   .      |         

between the first 2 players like this:

. = 32nd
         2|. . . . . . . .  |
         -| . . . . . . . . |     at nearly any tempo.
         4|                 |

We did simmilar, but more difficult to explain in ASCII things using all of
the basses, and we used to sit around a play name that t.v. tune (on the 
drums).  In the show that year we hardly had any 32nd note runs, but during
track work Mike Back would tell the snare and tenors to clean their roll
with the basses (not the other way around).

>Later,
>Bob

--David
p.s. I hope I did the notation near to what it should be, I forgot it.



-- 
 Spirit '88      |"So get off your butt and ride."      |     _,-~o     |
 ?????? '93      |"It's the motor that wins the races." |    _-\_<,     |
                 |               E-mail ddm@wpi.wpi.edu |   (*)/'(*)    |
Newsgroups: alt.drumcorps
From: jerger@d0msu6.fnal.gov
Subject: Re: BOA results
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:46:48 GMT
X-Posted-From: d0msu6.fnal.gov
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <9211091538.AA08159@quetzal.cis.ohio-state.edu>, taylor@news.cis.ohio-state.edu (kurt alan taylor) writes:
> This is my first posting so bare with me.  
> 
> I went to both the prelims and the finals of BOA in Indianapolis
> this past weekend.  I had never been (my high school band never
> had enough money while I was there) so I found it was amazing.
> Some of these top twelve bands would give drum corps a good run
> for there money.  Anyway, the results as I remember them were:
> 
> 1st place      Centerville Jazz Band (Centerville, OH)
> 2nd place      Marion Catholic (somewhere close to Chicago,IL)
> 3rd place      Plymouth Centennial Educational Park (somewhere in MI)
> 4th place      Westerville South (Westerville, OH)
> 5th place      Lake Park (Roselle, IL)
>  
> and I don't remember the placements of the other top twelve.
> 
> If anyone else out there saw the show this weekend then please respond
> if you thought Plymouth was ripped off.  I thought they should have won and
> Centerville should have been second.  I would have put Marion Catholic about
> 5th (BORING)!  What about that California band that played one of Garfield's
> old shows to the 'T'.  They did a decent job but if you saw Garfield do it
> like I did you would've laughed too.

    Do you know the name of the California band? Was it Etiwanda? I had heard
they were going to an MBA show but don't know which one... Haven't seen them 
in a couple of years - whereabouts did they place, if you can remember?


> 
> If there are alums out there from Metamora Township H.S. in Illinois then
> please post so we can chat.
> 
> Kurt Taylor
> GO BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Steve