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Subject: RE: UEFA DISGRACE: Re: Leeds v Stuttgart
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 12:41:48 +0000







Subject: Re: UEFA DISGRACE: RE: Leeds v Stuttgart
In article <1992Oct13.085915.16951@dwellynatcorp.ox.ac.uk>
gburnage@dwelly.natcorp.ox.ac.uk (Ooh Aah Cantona !?) writes:

>Was it President Meyer-Vorfelder's idea to bring to UEFA's attention
>the nationality of Gary Speed (Englishman who wants to play in lots of
>internationals so opts to be Welsh on such occasions)?  Nice try, but
>no bananas.

Stuttgart certainly lodged a counter-protest with UEFA over Gary Speed.
It was this that brought them a #5000 fine, UEFA did not fine them for
their poor arithmetic, I wonder why not?

Leeds were knocked out on away goals, Stuttgart should have been kicked out
for cheating giving Rangers a bye to the group stages :-)

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From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Shirts
Date: 13 Oct 1992 04:14:06 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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    Someone asked me for the address to buy Les Bleus shirts, unfortunately
I have lost your address, please drop me a line.

Kent
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From: alanb@eire.Corp.Sun.COM (Alan Butler)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: World Cup - RESULTS!!!!
Date: 14 Oct 1992 22:36:41 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
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I heard (via the phone to Ireland) the following results:


- Alan.


	Away:				Home:
	---------------------------------------------------

	Rep. of Ireland	0		Denmark   	0	UP IRELAND :)!!!!!

	Spain		0		N. Ireland 	0

	Norway 	   	1		England	  	1	
 
	Portugal	0		Scotland  	0
From: craa27@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ( Steve Holmes, Computer Centre )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rangers//Leeds
Date: 13 Oct 92 11:15:46 GMT
Reply-To: craa27@ccsun.strath.ac.uk
Organization: Strathclyde University Computer Centre.

In article 1@vaxa.strath.ac.uk, cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk () writes:

Some stuff about football, followed by ...
> Leeds fans please take note that the pubs are open till midnight (allday/
> everyday), don't serve those pishy beers, sell 1/4 gills, kebab shops/
> 4-in-1's/boiled hamburger and salmonella  stalls are all open 
very late 

Currys are definitely very different to the Bradford variety.
Expect to pay a lot more, or carry it away in a tin box.
Glasgow's specialities are Pakora, and gigantic Naan Breads.

You'll find a different variety of pishy beers, and watch the stout. It's been getting very watery of late.
My tip is to stick to something German or Danish.

> and finally, the polis don't take too kindly to neds......Have a nice

Aye, they usually give them a wide berth and harass the innocent
punter instead, but that's hardly an exclusive Glasgow trait.
Unless they're having a recruitment parade, when the ned is a much
sought after item.

> day, anyway. Care to elaborate Dan ?  You are a bit of a tourist information
> specialist.
> 

Buy some Buckfast for yer Duty frees.

> -- 
> Sandy Mackinnon
> University of Strathclyde               "Just where is Leeds ?"
> Glasgow
> cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
> 
>
From: MACKINON@BROWNVM.brown.edu (Sandy Mackinnon)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: 1992 USA Tour Report
Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:35:40 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


Date  : 9-11th October 1992
Venue : New Jersey & New York
Att   : 2,  Drs. Mackinnon  and  McCullogh (otherwise known as  JerseyJags Fan)

Crime Count : No yellow or red cards this week....



Just a few lines on this weekends proceedings as their were no fitba'
games to fill this space.  Arrived early evening at Newark Station
to find the JerseyJags fans limo in attendance...well actually he
was late and my bottle went, thinking I'd gone to the wrong station.
After a swift meal, paid for by the JJ fan, we settled into the
Scots Club in Kearney, NJ for some real beer.  The place is a constant
reminder of dear old Glasgow, with its distinctive furnishings, plush
toilets and of course the punters groaning and moaning about how bad
Celtic are.  I offered a few words of sympathy to them as they
shook their heads in dissappointment at the recent signings from
Real Middlesborough and AC West Ham  :-)   Apparently this
establishment will be screeing the Rangers//Aberdeen Skol Cup
Final ("the family final") live but only because they presumed
Celtic would make the final....Worth a visit in a few weeks time, methinks.
The following day was spent touring NY City in  the JJ Limo with no
expense spared and witht the temperature in the 70s, a wee stroll
round Central Park was in order.  It may be larger than Kelvingrove Park
but  there's just as many weirdos !  The day ended  with a visit
to Chinatown and then we were transported back to NJ for an evening
watching baseball on TV plus a look  through back copies of the
SUNDAY MAIL. Apparently Peter Grant is *still* playing for Celtic..
and Rangers havent signed Gordon Durie.

A reprimand  must go to Sean Sub for daring to suggest that the JJFan
be anything  less than generous .  He was the perfect host and contributed
generously to the weekend's festivities, like all good Scotsmen do.
He even got a maid  in to spring clean his apartment before my arrival :-)
So cheers young man, even though you're in recession.   Now for
Kentucky this weekend.


Sandy Mackinnon
Usually of Strathclyde
In Exile at Broon Yooni
Abuse to cbas38@vaxa.strath.ac.uk
From: gps@ecr.mu.oz.au (Gavin_Paul SMITH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Man United
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:22:07 GMT
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia


Could someone please mail me the rest of Man United's fixture for this
season .

Thanks .
Gavin ..


:wq

********* gps Melbourne University - Chemical Engineering. *********	
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Subject: Re: (spoiler) England - Norway WC94 QUAL.
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association
Distribution: rec.sport.soccer
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 16:51:09 GMT

bhag@etnxb.eua.ericsson.se (Boerge Haga 2634) writes:

>This match clearly showed how important Rune Bratseth is for the Norwegian
>team. 

In the spring I read some reports claiming that Bratseth was going to
return to Norway for the rest of his career. Yet he still playes for
Werder Bremen in der Bundesliga - what is the story here?
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen      |  Bayern Mu"nchen - 12xChampions, 8xCup Winner,
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |                    3xEC1 and 1xEC2 Winner
                    We'll be back
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From: schoof@dec8.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.dbp.de (Jochen "Joscho" Schoof)
Subject: Re: Leeds - Stuggart ; UEFA decision !!
Organization: University of Wuerzburg, Germany
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:04:57 GMT

From article <collins.718472388@serpent>, by collins@prl.philips.nl (Donie Collins):
> In <1992Oct7.124510.4527@ucc.su.OZ.AU> thomase@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Thomas Esamie) writes:
>>	As for the point made by Steve Smith about having 4 foreigners in
>>your squad, no it's not illegal. Otherwise AC Milan and a host of other clubs
>>would be playing 3rd legs too :-).
> o
> Yes, it is illegal. The squad referred to is the squad of 16 each club 
> picks for European matches, not squad in the sense of players on a club's
> books. 
> 
> AC Milan have 5 or 6 foreign players on their books but can only
> pick 3 foreigners for their squad of 16 for European matches.
> 
> This is the law Stuttgart broke, they picked 4 foreigners for their squad for 
> the European Cup matchs against Leeds. You have to feel sorry for the 
> Stuttgart players, it was an amazing mistake by the Stuttgart management.
[signature deleted]

I think there is something to be cleared up:
For UEFA there exist two types of foreigners. I'll start with the more
complex type, the assimilated foreigner (no idea whether that's proper
English): This player has been with the team or another team of the same
country for at least five years. Additional to the three 'real'
foreigners, two of these players are allowed as well on the bench as on
the field. This rule helps many british teams, because for the UEFA
Scots or Welsh are foreigner in England for example. As far as I know
Leeds has two of these assimilated foreigner and some other teams have
too (I think for example Bernd Schuster would profit from this rule in
Spain). I think this clears some confusion.

Some words to Stuttgart-Leeds. I think the whole situation is really
complicated. I believe Stuttgart made the error unintentionally (if not,
I agree, they should be thrown out at once). With the whole thing being
a new rule and Stuttgart accusing themselves the morning after the
match this seems understandable to me. As mentioned in an earlier post,
as far as I know no other decision was possible, but I absolutely agree
with those, who wonder, what would have happened if Stuttgart won the
first match 4-0. In my opinion a third match is a decision for sports
and therefor I think it's the best they could do.

- Jochen

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From: mikel@lsil.com (Michael Lynch)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: LEEDS STUTTGART RESULT
Date: 9 Oct 92 21:45:40 GMT
Reply-To: mikel@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation


LEEDS 2 - 1 STUGGART
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: archer@hsi.com (Garry Archer)
Subject: Re: English News: Tuesday (Cup) results
Organization: 3M Health Information Systems, Wallingford CT
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 15:24:50 GMT

In article <13022@ecs.soton.ac.uk> tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Tim Chown) writes:
<
<The FA Cup 3rd round qualifying matches for Saturday are at the end of
<this posting, for non-league fans!    I missed the second round - what
<happened to Gresley after they dumped Newcastle Town out in round 1 ???
<
<FA Cup, 3rd round Qualifying games:
<
<-- Gainsborough     v   Pelsall Villa
<   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
<   [rest of draw deleted]


Sad to say, Tim, ex-Football League outfit, Gainsborough Trinity, trounced 
the Mighty Moatmen 4-1 at Gresley!  Pelsall Villa are from the West Midlands 
League and Gresley could have easily have dealt with them.  

I'm going to cry now...


-- 
Garry Archer Esq.	archer@hsi.com
3M Health Information Systems,	Wallingford, Connecticut, U.S.A.

"An Englishman never enjoys himself, except for a noble purpose." - A.P.Herbert
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Local Genius)
Subject: Re: Hard men
Organization: Department of Mathematics
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1992 02:06:49 GMT

In article <Bw7tyu.HxJ@cck.coventry.ac.uk> csg281@cch.coventry.ac.uk writes:
>Everone must of hurd about Vinny Jones' hard man
>video were he talks about how in beat up other players
>during the game, but is Mr Jones realy that hard no 
>off course not , what do you think who is the hardest player
>playing today?
>   my vote goes to Lloyd McGrath off Coventry City
>   and off the past
>   George Curtis off Coventry City.
>   do you agree.
>   
Is this English? I'm not sure I get it. Could someone break the 
code for me, please?

--
lk(with the man in the yellow hat)
From: rcouniha@copper.denver.colorado.edu (richard counihan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Chelsea fan
Date: 15 Oct 92 03:10:58 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado at Denver

Lonely Chelsea fan, looking for fellow sufferers in the Colorado area.

( richard counihan )

Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: Juergen.Schaepker@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Juergen Schaepker)
Subject: German DFB-Pokal 3rd round (Fri)
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 10:29:12 GMT

The first results from the German cup (Friday):

VfL Osnabrueck - Borussia Moenchengladbach  4:1
1.FC Nuernberg - FC Remscheid               5:2 after extra time
SSV Ulm 46     - Borussia Dortmund          1:3

BTW congratulations to Leeds Utd, they deserved to win !


Bye
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From: hamlet@stein.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: WC Qualifiers - Results for Oct 7th Needed
Date: 15 Oct 92 15:47:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct15.154746.23906
Organization: University of Washington

gibson@crisium.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) writes:

>HELP ... I missed the results for the 3 games held Oct. 7:
>      San Marino v Norway

07/10/92	Norway 2, San Marino 0

>      Iceland    v Greece

07/10/92	Greece 1, Iceland 0

>      Sweden     v Bulgaria

07/10/92	Sweden 2, Bulgaria 0

--
And here, with his bird's eye view, and a brain to match, is Mr.
Know-It-All. - Rocket J. Squirrel
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: Akash Sehgal <as14@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Goal.zip
X-Xxdate: Sun, 11 Oct 92 16: 21:54 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: as14@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 20:16:14 GMT

From: Christopher S. Allen, CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu
Date: 10 Oct 1992 17:13:18 -0500
In article <9210102213.AA14601@deepthought.cs.utexas.edu>
Christopher S. Allen, CSALLEN@uga.cc.uga.edu writes:
>David,
>
>I downloaded GOAL.ZIP OK, but I can't seem to unzip it. I
am working with
>PKZIP (and PKUNZIP) versions 1.1 dated 3/15/90. When I
viewed data for the
>file, I got the following information:
>
>Searching ZIP: E:/ZIPS/GOAL.ZIP
>
>          Filename:
>         File type: binary
>        Attributes: ---
>     Date and Time: Aug 10,2031  01:24:00
>Compression Method: Unknown
>   Compressed Size: 2905153
> Uncompressed Size: 68633088
>  32 bit CRC value: 20160d16
>        Created by:   PKZIP: 1.3 under Unknown OS
> Needed to extract: PKUNZIP: 1.3
>
>I am guessing that I need version 1.3. But if so, where
do you get it. I though
>thought everything after 1.10 was still in alpha testing.

This happened to me about three months back when I tried
to FTP something, and I spent about 2 months looking for
any version past 1.10.  Then I realized that my FTP
program was converting the hexadecimal character 0A to the
character 0D, which correspond to versions 1.1 and 1.3
respectively.  So check your FTP program - make sure you
are using BINARY or IMAGE mode.  This stops all
conversions and will download the file correctly.  And be
sure to use BINARY mode both when downloading TO your
MAINFRAME and then from MAINFRAME to PC.

After that, hopefully you'll have a file approx. 150K or
so (146 sounds familiar) which unzips with v1.1. 
Incidentally, I've seen version 2.01 but can't find it at
any FTP site - someone downloaded it from a BBS in Europe.
>
>I sure hope I don't need to have 68 MB free to run GOAL.
If so, I'll get back
>to you after I trade in my 130 MB disk for something in
the gigabyte
>category. <g>

No kidding.  I could run OS/2 with less disk space, and
while OS/2 can't play soccer, it sure can do other things
I could find a use for.  :-).
>
>When I downloaded it from my mainframe to my PC, it said
that the file
>size was something on the order of 146K. This sounds more
like it.
>
>Would you be so kind as to upload a version to me but one
that is compressed
>with a version of PKZIP that I can handle?
>
>Thanks, Chris

If you have any trouble with the file, let me know and you
can FTP it directly from me.  Email:
as14@cornell.edu   or   Akash.Sehgal@cornell.edu.

Good luck.

BTW, who came up with the rankings?  Some of them are
outrageous.

Akash
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From:  root@skorpion.lt.su (root)
Subject: Lithuanian LYGA  Round 10
Reply-To: root@skorpion.lt.su
Organization: SKORPIONAS Ltd
Date: Tue,  6 Oct 92 14:01:28 +0300


Lithuanian LYGA  Round 10

Minija Kretinga - ROMAR Mazeikiai                  1 : 0
FK Zalgiris Vilnius - Sakalas Siauliai             4 : 0
FK Banga Kaunas - Ekranas Panevezys                0 : 0
FK Elektronas Taurage - FK Inkaras Kaunas          1 : 1
FK Lietuvos Makabi Vilnius - FK Sirijus Klaipeda   0 : 2
Snaige Alytus - Gelezinis Vilkas Vilnius           P : P
FK Panerys Vilnius - Granitas Aras Klaipeda        P : P

 1. Zalgiris        9  26-3   17
 2. Panerys         9  28-9   16
 3. Banga          10  21-3   16
 4. Ekranas        10  18-3   16
 5. Sirijus         9  20-5   15
 6. Gel. Vilkas     9  11-15   9
 7. Inkaras        10  12-16   8
 8. ROMAR          10   6-13   8
 9. L. Makabi      10  10-16   7
10. Granitas Aras   9   6-10   6
11. Snaige          9   6-20   5
12. Sakalas        10   6-19   4
13. Elektronas     10   5-23   4
14. Minija         10   4-24   3

-

Lithuanian I LYGA  Round 9

Banga Gargzdai - Cementin. N. Akmene     0 : 0
Robotas Plunge - Azotas Jonava           3 : 10
Nevezis Kedainiai - Musa Ukmerge         0 : 2
Mastis Telsiai - Tauras Siauliai         3 : 0
Logika Siauliai - Aidas Panevezys        0 : 3
Inter Visaginas - Sveikata Kybartai      + : -
AFK Vilnius - Suduva Marijampole         8 : 0

 1. Mastis          9  18-10  14
 2. Azotas          9  33-10  13
 3. Banga           9  11-7   13
 4. Tauras          9  12-8   12
 5. Inter           9   8-7   12
 6. Musa            8  14-5   11
 7. Cementin.       8  12-7   11
 8. Aidas           9  16-8   10
 9. AFK             9  14-10   8
10. Nevezis         9   8-9    7
11. Robotas         9  12-20   7
12. Sveikata        9   5-16   4
13. Logika          9   7-26   2
14. Suduva          9   4-21   0

-- Almantas Lauzadis -- Panevezys, Lithuania --
E-mail: root@skorpion.lt.su
From: waddlech@next12epsl.wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: USA-Canada,  lineups please?
Keywords: usa, canada
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 12:36:37 GMT


Does anyone have the lineups for this match? Please email or post.
Thanks.

-Dave
From: rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Rothenberg's new US pro soccer plans
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:51:41 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Oct16.155141.2261
Organization: UW Computing

In article <1992Oct16.145753.16650@europa.asd.contel.com>, andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:
> One thing that the US should not do is have the promotion/relegation system.
> 
> I just have this bad feeling that with our luck, New York, LA, and Chicago
> will be the first three teams relegated and in one fell swoop we lose our 
> biggest markets.
> 
> I would rather see the league get off the ground and be stable for a decade
> before we started to promote and relegate.

I have to agree with Andy.  Promotion/relegation makes no sense unless
there is a larger number of teams than are feasable to have in a single
division.  Personally I wouldn't break out a division until there are 30
financially strong and committed teams.  At that point the league can be
broken into two divisions, upper and lower.  Depsite the distances
involved I can't see breaking into regional divisions as has been done in
the past until you get down below a nationwide caliber team.  For instance
if the above happened and there were now two divisions, each could be
allowed to expand to 20 teams nationwide but the structure below the 2nd
division would have to be regional, similar to what happens below the
current 3rd division in England.  The lower clubs then would not be
required to expend the resources to make two thousand mile trips to play
opponents on the opposite side of the US until they'd managed to put
together the resources and talent combination to get promoted up to the
2nd division.

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From: mphillip@MATAI.VUW.AC.NZ
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re:Goal.zip
Date: 15 Oct 92 02:26:15 GMT

Anybody out there know where us Macintosh users can access Goal. Does it
exist as a stuuflt file? Also, if any Mac users know a really good ftp site
for Mac software games etc.. drop me a message. Thanks in advance


Martin Phillipson
Faculty of Law
Victoria University of Wellington
Wellington
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