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Subject: Fischer and sanctions
From: vova@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Vladimir Pestov)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 01:44:17 GMT
Distribution: rec.games.chess
Organization: Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand

The return of Bobby Fischer to chess is much more important than
maintaining sanctions against Yugoslavia.
After all, who had ever thought of imposing sanctions as comprehensive
against my homeland - the former Soviet Union? And violations of human rights,
international agreements and so on in the xUSSR were several
orders of magnitude greater than those in Yugoslavia, Iraq,
South Africa or whenever else. The international community
was simply afraid of doing such kind of things.
Since Soviet chessplayers were always welcome, I do not think 
it would be fair to penalise chess because of Yugoslavia.
Perhaps, chess merely
should not have anything in common with politics.

The other story is that one can hardly believe it *will* happen...
sort of a miracle. I became interested in chess in late 1971 after
Bobby's triumph in pretendent's matches... 
no-one in chess history compares to him. And would not   
a possible (???) loss harm forever the
glorious luminious image of Bobby Fischer of 60-s and early 70-s?

Vladimir Pestov

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From: cxxh@cco.caltech.edu (Chris H. Hall)
Subject: Re: Alekhine Defense
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:04:17 GMT

perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:

>In article <1992Jul29.082215.13181@jyu.fi> ako@jyu.fi (Antti Koponen) writes:
>>In article <1992Jul28.164426.19767@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
>>>In article <1992Jul28.093723.12747@jyu.fi> ako@jyu.fi (Antti Koponen) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Jul27.105407.36@swvcc.wvnet.edu> cc3@swvcc.wvnet.edu (Allen Farley) writes:
>>>>>Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm posting this for a friend:
>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>What is white's best line against the Alekhine Defense (1. e4 Nf6)? I'd like to
>>>>>use your responses in our club newsletter, with your permission of course.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tim
>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>Definetely 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 and +-
>>>
>>>If only life were so easy! 
>>
>>Well, I think Nf3 really is very dangerous for black, but of course I could
>>have inserted :-)!

>Actually, MHO is to agree with you; my opinion of the Alekhine's is not
>so hot.  However, I was just being a bit more careful, since I'm by no
>means an expert on it.  It should be noted that according to some
>discussions I've been having with Mark Ginsburg via email, GM praxis
>backs up a rather large White edge in the Nf3 lines; he's sending me
>some stuff through the USnail and I will post a review after I read
>that.

What about the four pawns attack (1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.c4 Nb6
5.f4 ... ), has this been refuted or is 4.Nf3 just better?

Chris Hall
From: mazzarel@spam.berkeley.edu (Ariel Mazzarelli)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Reshevsky-Boleslavsky,  Zurich 1953
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:34:37 GMT
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In article <1992Jul29.135007.22017@cs.brown.edu> jhc@iris.UUCP (James H. Coombs) writes:
>
>Interesting game.  What is the name of the book?  Is it the "Zurich"
>book that I people have mentioned?  Thanks.  --Jim

Its author is David Bronstein, and its title is "The Chess Struggle in 
Practice". 

Ariel Mazzarelli
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From: linshih@nextnet.ccs.csus.edu ()
Subject: Finding a Chess Club
Originator: linshih@nextnet
Organization: California State University Sacramento
Distribution: ca
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:32:08 GMT

	Where can I find a Chess Club in Sac Area? I've checked CSUS
club list and found that there is a chess club, but it does not exist anymore.
If you have any information please send me an e-mail.

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Well, I imagine that this news will start some long discussions:


Chess greats Fischer, Spassky to vie again

By Chuck Sudetic, The New York Times

Belgrade, Yugoslavia


Bobby Fischer, who became the first American to win the world chess champion-
ship, only to resign it undefended, will play a $5 million exhibition match
here against Boris Spassky, a Yugoslav promoter said yesterday. 

Spassky is the Russian whom Fischer defeated for the title 20 years ago
in Reykjavik, Iceland.

The match would end nearly two decades of seclusion for Fischer, the onetime
enfant terrible of world chess, since he played Spassky in perhaps the most
publicized and widely followed match in the history of the game.

The promoter of the match, Jezdimir Vasiljevic, owner of a Belgrade-based
bank, said at a news conference that Fischer arrived in the Yugoslav capital
yesterday and will announce in a videotaped statement today that he has
signed a contract to play Spassky.

The match is to begin September 2 on the island of Sveti Stefan, a once down-
at-heels fishing village converted into an exclusive hotel by President
Tito, Yugoslavia's longtime Communist ruler.

The competition will end with a series of games played in Belgrade, said
Vasiljevic, who now runs the hotel.

Spassky, reached at a vacation home in Allemont, France, told Robert Byrne,
a grandmaster and the chess columnist of the New York Times, that Fischer
had agreed to the match.

The contract calls for the two grandmasters to play until one gains 10
victories, Vasiljevic said. Under the contract, the winner would receive
$3.35 million and the loser $1.65 million. The match would be declared a draw
if each player won nine games, and the two contestants would share the
prize money equally.

Fischer, now 49, won the world championship in 1972, defeating Spassky,
now 55, in one of the most celebrated chess matches of all time.
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 12:31:50 EDT
From: <RLS112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: correspondence game?

I posted a request for a two-game correspondence match against a 2200+
player a few weeks ago and got no response.  How about a two-game
correspondence match (USCF rated) against anyone???
Ron
From: "jay hack" <jay.hack@execnet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: chessathon
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:56:51 EST
Reply-To: "jay hack" <jay.hack@execnet.com>
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------------------CHESSATHON REPORT-----------------------

What do you do with hundreds, maybe thousands) of kids who play
chess, a collection of FIDE titled players, three hundred yards of
chess boards and a few thousand chess sets?  You hold the largest
simultaneous simul ever in New York's Central Park.  The USCF-
sponsored first annual chessathon was held today, July 18, 1992 in
Central Park's Literary Walk from 9:00 am to 2:00 pm.  An untold
number of kids, and assorted adults who couldn't resist the
temptation to play a grandmaster, played five hours of chess on 280
boards stretching as far as they eye could see against both local
and out of town GM's, IM's and FM's who graciously donated their
time to support chess in education and the USCF's "Push pawns, not
drugs" program.  The "Champions" included the three Polgar sisters,
John Fedorowitz, Maxim Dlugy, Ron Henley, Alex Yermolinsky, Roman
Dzindz-I-can't-spell-it, our own network-IM Elliot Winslow, Robert
Byrne, Pal Benko, Alex Sherzer and many others who I either didn't
see or didn't recognize.  Each kid was given a free chess set, a T-
Shirt and a one year USCF youth membership.  All kids who obtained
pledges to the anti-drug campaign of $100 or more won chess
computers.  By 1:30 when I left, there had been a few draws, but no
losses by the Champs.

Interesting sidelights.  Judith Polgar plays chess with everyone
and seems to love it.  At one point, after she had finished her
simul, she was standing in the park and a boy of about 10 asked her
to play a game.  She agreed.  Danny Edelman, who organized the
Chessathon, came up to her as she was walking towards a board and
said that a television crew wanted to film her.  She pointed to the
boy and said "I can't do that now, I have to play a game of chess
with him."  She played the game and the TV crew, along with a
collection of photographers, got better pictures anyway.

Also in attendance were three members of Congress, including Nita
Lowey who suggested that as a member of the House Education
Committee she would propose chess in schools as a national program
to foster analytic skills, and state legislator Richard Brodsky,
who has already proposed a bill in the New York State legislature
to add chess to the curriculum.

The entire USCF staff assisted, under the direction of Al Lawrence.
They came down from headquarters by bus, leaving at around 6 am to have
enough time to set up the tables, boards, pieces and other information
materials.
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From: philip@skorpio.usask.ca (Tim Philip)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: What is the Colle system?
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:40:45 GMT
Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada

In article <SCHILLER.92Jul23164303@tira.uchicago.edu>, schiller@tira.uchicago.edu (Eric Schiller) writes:
|> The "Modern" way of handling the Colle (with q-side fianchetto) is not
|> what Yusupov does. He plays 1.Nf3 and then e3, d4, b3 etc. This is
|> a Zukertort, or Yusupov-Zuckertort.
|> 
|> I still await postings of true Colle's played by great players.
|> Eric
|> 


	Does it really matter if the Colle has or has not been played
	by "great players"??

	I mean, for the average tournament chess player, and especially
	for the beginner, who cares?  For an expert (or higher) I would 
	recommend an opening that doesn't give black equality so easily,
	but for the average tournament player I can't see how it really
	matters.  Such a subtle point as giving away GrandMaster equality
	should not really bother the average tournament player.  As a 
	beginner player, I was happy to just live through the opening.

	Tim.
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From: ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum)
Subject: Re: Fischer rumor
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:58:04 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.211345.26598@cs.rulimburg.nl>, breuker@cs.rulimburg.nl (Dennis Breuker) writes:
|> pmanne@math.uio.no (Per Manne) writes:
|> 
|> >According to Swedish television, Fischer has agreed to play a match against
|> >Spassky. The match is supposed to take place in Yugoslavia (of all places!)
|> >next month. No further details are given, neither is the source. Does
|> >anyone
|> >know anything about this???
|> 
|> Yes, I read it in this morning's newspaper. The arbiter would be Gligoric
|> (sp?), and Fisher would receive a lot of money (I can't recall how much).

  I don't understand why anyone (even in Yougoslavia) would pay that much
  money for a Fischer/Spassky match or ANY chess match, for that matter. Why
  would they do this? I doubt it will happen despite the acknowledgement from
  Spassky.

|> 
|> I don't give Fischer much chance against Spassky (or any other top
|> chess-player), although I would like it if I am wrong.

  Spassky is hardly a "top" player these days. I'd give Bobby a much better
  chance versus Boris than I would versus Kasparov or Anand or Short. Now
  they plus Ivanchuck, Gelfand, and of course Karpov and perhaps Yusopov, Shirov,
  and one or two others are our top players - Spassky is not at their level.

-Ron

|> 
|> Dennis Breuker
|> (breuker@cs.rulimburg.nl)
From: barbey@lglsun.epfl.ch (Stephane Barbey)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Fischer and sanctions
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:39:54 GMT
Distribution: rec.games.chess
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne

In article <1992Jul27.014417.25697@rata.vuw.ac.nz>, vova@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Vladimir Pestov) writes:
: The return of Bobby Fischer to chess is much more important than
: maintaining sanctions against Yugoslavia.

It's pathetic. Human rights are much more important than a game, even
Chess. Some people are trying to save lives and you just crave for
a show... 

: Vladimir Pestov

-Stephane

--
Stephane Barbey				"It's not easy getting real wings"	
INJ-335, barbey@di.epfl.ch
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From: hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu (sven  hauptfeld)
Subject: Re: Why not Baghdad?
Reply-To: hau4@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 06:22:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.233837.17228@samba.oit.unc.edu> ajpierce@med.unc.edu (Andrew Pierce) writes:
>
>Those who
>love the game couldn't care less where the match is played.

I think that those who love the game should not let it be used as a marketing
tool of a murderous state. 

>     -Andy
>ajpierce@med.unc.edu

Sven

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From: paolini@TOR01.CSELT.STET.IT
Subject: To all my current opponents
Organization: Chessnews list (chessnews-request@tssi.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 14:47:26 GMT



	I just came back from holiday and found out that my mail directory was
nicely erased (probably because of disk space overflow). So, please send me
again your last move.

	Thanks

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From: science@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Zimmermann)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Fischer hoax?
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:43:24 GMT
Organization: David Taylor Research Center, Bethesda, MD

this may sound odd, but has anybody got any firsthand or validated
info that Fischer is actually doing this much-rumored match?  Or is
all the discussion based on a few AP/Reuters/etc. wire service reports
and press releases?  The only claim I have thus far seen that might be
admissible evidence is Eric Schiller's posting, citing inside info as
to the reality of the event --- but Eric, did you speak to anybody you
know and trust who *directly* could testify to Fischer's
participation?

I think it quite possible that this whole thing is a fraud or hoax;
possibly some of the promoters stand to make a bit of money by advance
sales of tickets or "rights" to cover parts of the event, etc.
((Anybody want to buy a lottery ticket for a chance to ride on the
Russian space-shuttle-clone?  Anybody want to buy Lenin's body, or a
piece of the True Cross?))

Given hard times in Eastern Europe, and creative minds at work there
trying to make a living, I remain a skeptic.  I wouldn't even be
surprised if a Fischer-impersonator couldn't be trotted out to
continue the story a bit longer.  Maybe Bobby could play a match
against Elvis?!

Apologies if I am proved wrong by events of the coming months; "I told
you so", if I'm proved right!  ^z
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From: jamie@cs.sfu.ca (Jamie Andrews)
Subject: Re: Fischer rumor
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:19:07 GMT

A couple of things:

     Why would anyone assume anything about Fischer's current
ability?  He was a great player 20 years ago, but it takes
constant work to maintain that level.  Maybe he has kept up,
maybe not.  In any case, not playing in public tournaments has
got to have taken some of the edge off his play.

     A few people have commented on Fischer's supposed Nazism. 
What is the basis of this?  I remember reading some comments he
made in an interview with I. A. Horowitz, which could be taken
as anti-Semitic, but seemed more likely to be an attempt to be
deliberately provocative towards his mother's culture (New York
Jewish).  He also made a lot of other deliberately outrageous
statements, like saying he could never vote for Kennedy because
he (Kennedy) used to walk around with his hands in his pockets.

--Jamie.                       ,
  jamie@cs.sfu.ca           (-:=
"Cool... clear... Usenet"      `   (not)
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From: schiller@tira.uchicago.edu (Eric Schiller)
Subject: Re: Why not Baghdad?
Organization: Center for Information and Language Studies / University of
	Chicago
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:41:54 GMT

I have seen calls for boycotts, and am informed that the now-late
volume will be produced in Crete, in order to avoid sanctions. No
further details at present.

Eric Schiller
From: CAPSA <capsa@igc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Date: 25 Jul 92 13:40 PDT
Subject: ignore
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1451600015:000:76
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!capsa    Jul 25 13:40:00 1992


Polgar    1    .5   0    0    .5   1
          B    W    B    W    B    W.
From: miklas@remus.rutgers.edu (Keith Miklas)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: retrograde analysis
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:31:09 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

If anyone out there knows of any information on the topic of
retrograde analysis (i.e. "working backwards in chess") please send
mail to 

miklas@remus.rutgers.edu

Thank you.
From: jrbd@craycos.com (James Davies)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: retrograde analysis
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:36:53 GMT
Organization: Cray Computer Corporation

In article <Jul.28.13.31.09.1992.10621@remus.rutgers.edu> miklas@remus.rutgers.edu (Keith Miklas) writes:
>If anyone out there knows of any information on the topic of
>retrograde analysis (i.e. "working backwards in chess") please send
>mail to 
>
>miklas@remus.rutgers.edu

Raymond Smullyan wrote two books of retrograde problems (in the form of
puzzles, not serious writing on the topic of retrograde analysis in general).
Here's a listing from the Denver Public Library catalog for one of them:

> AUTHOR(s):       Smullyan, Raymond M.
> TITLE(s):        The chess mysteries of Sherlock Holmes /  Raymond M.
>                    Smullyan. --
> 
>                  New York :  Knopf,  1979.
>                  xiii, 171 p. :  ill. ;  22 cm.
> 
> OTHER ENTRIES:   Chess problems.
>                  Holmes, Sherlock (Fictitious character)
> 
> CALL # AND LOCATIONS:   794.12 S666ch  HUM

I don't remember what the other one is called, but I think there is a second.
Have fun,
						Jim Davies
						jrbd@craycos.com
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From: olesen@math.uiowa.edu (Martin Olesen)
Subject: Re: What is the Colle system?
Originator: olesen@walnut.math.uiowa.edu
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 20:51:06 GMT
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA


In article <SCHILLER.92Jul21164758@tira.uchicago.edu>, schiller@tira.uchicago.edu (Eric Schiller) writes:
|> IMHO the Colle is complete crap which should be avoided like the plague.
|> It is clearly inferior to the Torre Attack because the dark-squared
|> bishop is confined to quarters for most of the game. Beginners like it
|> because it is easy to play, since White's plans are so limited as to
|> give one little to think about.


    This is a very superficial judgement in my opinion, and it
    doesn't hold up to a closer scrutiny.

     The modern way of playing the Colle, i.e with b3 and Bb2 is no less
     ambitious than any of the fashionable ways of treating the white
     side of 1.d4. This system has been consistently applied by Keres,
     Portisch and Jusupov, to mention just a few. 

    I am surprised that Schiller, author of a miilion books about the
    opening  isn't less dogmatic.


                                       Martin Olesen





       P.S.  Do I know what I talk about?! Well, you can take a look
              at the game Olesen-Shirazi Chess Life april 92
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From: schiller@tira.uchicago.edu (Eric Schiller)
Subject: Re: What is the Colle system?
Organization: Center for Information and Language Studies / University of
	Chicago
	<SCHILLER.92Jul22163815@tira.uchicago.edu>
	<1992Jul23.153620.21879@talon.ucs.orst.edu>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 19:22:58 GMT

Getting the bishop into the game is enough for me to make the Torre
superior to the Colle. The results speak for themselves -- see my
book "How to Play the Torre Attack" (Chess Digest, 1992). In the 
Tullah Hanley Grand Prix last weekend I believe the Torre was +7
-1 = 2 (though that is just from my observations). One of the draws
was an epic battle between me and Peter Kurzdorfer (NM), which went
deep into a knight endgame.

Eric
From: nash@visus.com (Richard V. Nash)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess
Subject: Re: Computers & chess ethics
Date: 29 Jul 92 12:04:21 GMT
Reply-To: nash@visus.com
Organization: Visual Understanding Systems, Pgh PA

In article <92209.184146U13054@uicvm.uic.edu> U13054@uicvm.uic.edu (Howard  
Wachtel) writes:
> In article <seP4=in0BwxV5ot1Bc@transarc.com>, Bruce_Leverett@TRANSARC.COM  
says:
> >
> >>Humans blunder; humans forget.  Computers do not (at least in theory).
> >
> >I don't understand.  What is this ``theory?''  Computer memory can and does
> >fail.  This goes for both primary memory and secondary (e.g. disk) memory.
> >
> 
>    Yes, but such failures are rare in comparison to those of the human
> memory.  Computers don't hang pieces or fall into two-move mates, even
> in time pressure, as human players, even strong players often do.
> 
> >Computer memory is pretty reliable in practice.  There is a certain  
practical
> >argument that it isn't equivalent to human memory.  But if we are talking

Sorry for getting into this late but...
   Mechanical memory and human memory are fundamentally different. This fact is  
recognized by US law which places restrictions on what conversations you can  
_record_, but does not restrict what conversations you can _remember_. I  
suspect this is because the mechanical device has the ability to exactly recall  
what it has in memory, and the human cannot. This is not a trivial difference  
or even a quantitative one. It qualitatively differentiates the type of  
memorys. I put the computer memory more in line with looking something up in a  
book than a human trying to recall something from long term memory.

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