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From: morss@ssd.kodak.com (Charlie Morss)
Subject: Re: Hardwood Floors and Dogs
Organization: Ektron, a division of Eastman Kodak, Co.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 92 13:49:59 GMT


In <1992Dec17.222315.8779@inel.gov> kte@INEL.GOV (Kathryn L Cook) writes:

>We're remodeling our older house and would like to remove the carpet and
>refinish the hardwood floors.  My only concern is how this might affect 
>my dogs.  They love to run and chase each other all over the house and
>I'm worried that the new floors will be to slick and they may hurt themselves.
>I also once heard that slick floors can agravate/cause? hip dysplasia.
>I've also heard that the dogs may scratch the floors although I keep their
>nails trimmed back. Does anyone have experience with dogs on hardwoods is
>this a bad idea?
>
>
>>Thanks for any insights,
>
>>Kayti and the Border Terriers

Kayti,

My lab pub is fine on my hardwood floors. I just had all of them completely
refinished just three months ago. It took him a little getting used to 
but he doesn't seem to mind, but he does like the third floor, which is
all carpeted. I'm am alittle concerned about the stairs, we haven't gotten
a runner for them yet (but he just learned how to go down the other sets of
stairs, so I'm not rushing it). 

The hip problem is something I'm alittle worried about. His parents had
no problems with their hips so I hoping for the best (and getting some
carpets when I can afford them!) 

He also doesn't scratch the floors at all. We keep his nails trimmed to 
a "normal" length. They start to make more noise on the floor when they
get too long.

Just my two cents worth...

Charlie

P.S. Thanks to all the people who responsed to my post about starting
     puppy training early. I've put more "fun" into his lessons and 
     he seems to be doing better.

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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Plural forms of "Tervuren" and Malinois"?
Date: 13 Dec 1992 06:44:33 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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: dana mackonis
: home of Cachet Noir Belgian Tervuren
:   a/k/a those silly brown dogs (as opposed to those silly black dogs)

Okay, so here's a silly question
 
In the Belgian sheep herding breeds,if
	long coat, black is a Groendael
	long coat, other than black is a Tervuren
	short coat, other than black is a Malinois
	wire coat is a Laekenois
	
	what is a short coat, black?

Just something I've wondered for a while.

Karen



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From: Valaria_Vorlop@mindlink.bc.ca (Valaria Vorlop)
Subject: Flank Sucking, what IS it?
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 21:41:41 GMT

I've just started reading a book called Canine and Feline Behaviour Therapy
by B.L. Hart and L.A. Hart. Something known as 'flank sucking' is mentioned
in several places in the book as a vice that some dogs get into the habit of.
They suggest that dogs may do it to get attention or out of boredom etc. and
they mention Dobermans as a breed that can be prone to it.

Maybe I'm dumb, but they don't actually define it anyplace in the book, and I
wonder exactly what they mean by it. Licking and chewing of the flank until
it is raw? Is it that obvious? Anybody?

Thanks!

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From: casey@well.sf.ca.us (Kathleen Creighton)
Subject: Re: Akita
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:51:28 GMT


Dog-aggression is a breed trait in Akitas, but not all Akitas are dog-
aggressive.  Some are like mine--domineering and pushy, but not aggressive.
However, a dog-aggressive Akita, even one who's been socialized to other
dogs, should not be a big surprise.
From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Eagle Dog Food
Date: 15 Dec 1992 16:19:17 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski) says:

>Sky Warrior (mlhb@mammoth.dr.att.com) wrote:
>
>: I was interested in it too until the pet store that I buy dog food from
>: said that Eagle has had a lot of problems with the FDA, where the nutritional
>: levels were not adequate.  I do not know if this is true.  Has anyone heard
>: anything about that?  (This may be a rumor.  Please do not consider this fact!)
>
>So far as I know, FDA only regulates pet products as far as health claims
>(ie medicinal).  Eagle does meet or exceed the NRC requirements
>for nutrition. 
>
>I think that your store doesn't want to sell Eagle.  We had a local store
>that was telling people that one food they carried was far better than pro
>plan, max, iams, etc.  with no back up.  What they weren't saying is that
>it was also effectively their house brand.  Relatives owned both companies.
>It wasn't a bad food, but they were being rather misleading.
>  
>If you want more info on Eagle, call the 800 number.  I can say that my
>dogs and cats do wonderfully on the food.
>
>Karen
>
>
I'll add my two cents worth here.  When I was demoing dog food for
Eagle, I was having a hard time getting people to take my samples.  It
turns out that the food was being badmouthed by reps from other companies. 
One of these national company reps was saying that we were just plain
garbage food.  The other national company that my product got flack from
was taking the clerks in the store out to lunch, buying the kids pizza and
soda, etc. to buy some brand loyalty from them.  I have nothing against the
food of these other companies but I do have something against their
marketing techniques.

If there is anything to be learned from the dialog on pet foods on this
group it should be this, go ahead and try it if you want to see what
happens with your dogs.  No two dogs are going to react the same to the
same food and I even think that there may be breed differences in how a
food performs for you since some breeds may need extra fat, others extra
protein, etc.  The work your dog does will also determine the kind of food
that will benefit their performance the most.

Let your dog be the final arbiter in the suitability of a dog food for you
and your pack.  Take what people tell you and give it the skeptical
treatment.

Gail
Toby and Casey -- the pack
From: kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Opinions on breed.
Date: 17 Dec 92 22:52:39 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Buffalo/Comp Sci

I was reading this thread about getting dogs while living in apartments, etc.,
and just had to throw my $.02 in.  We live in what is supposedly called a
townhouse, but in real life, it's an apartment.  We have a dog--so what's the
problem?  Nothing, in our situation.  All I'm saying is that every situation
is differnt....Chris said he wouldn't sell a dog to anyone who lives in an
apartment.  What about older people who live in apartments?  Chris, don't
think I'm knocking you, because I'm not.  I'm just saying that Kevin (Did I
get your name right?)  may be able to provide a good home for a dog, even
though he lives in an apartment.  My parents live in a house, but their Lab
puppy from hell Molly is crated all day while they're at work.  It doesn't
make them bad parents.  Nor does our living in an apartment automatically make
us bad parents.  

Use your head, Kevin, and your best judgement.  Try to be objective, and if
you decide that you can be a good Dad to a dog, then get one.

Trying not to ruffle any feathers.....

Kelly
From: bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Netiquette
Date: 21 Dec 92 02:14:41 GMT
Reply-To: bws20@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons)
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article: <9212182326.AA2182@f723.n202.z1.fidonet.org>

Elaine_Gallegos makes a significant breakthrough and confesses:

>>'cause now in addition to All my other shortcomings, I am also a liar.
>>
>> * Origin: HILLCREST COMMUNITY BBS, SAN DIEGO: HST 619-291-0544 (1:202/7


This is a very important, now that you have gotten beyond denial, you have
taken the first steps toward redemption...

Seriously, I imagine you are beyond redemption.  I have been enjoying
rpd for nearly 2 years now, and have thoroughly enjoyed it as a most
pleasant place to converse and learn and declaim, and most of all to
share our love of dogs.  We have occasionally had threads of controversy
(Dean Adams and 'Box o' Dog" comes to mind), but we have never had such
an insufferably rude and uncaring person as you on the net.  Netters may
agree or disagree, but we almost always stay friendly and in tune with
each other.  You are most definitely NOT IN TUNE WITH RPD!!

To quote a famous phrase, "You just don't get it."

rpd netters have shown remarkable restraint and kindness towards you in
trying to alert you to our way of doing things.  You have failed to even
recognize their kindness...You seem to me a very sad person, carrying such
a weight of bitterness and spite.

I long for the day when you will just go away and leave us alone, once
again in peace.

bws

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From: dan@msen.com (Dan Sugalski)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Crate Training 101-HELP!
Date: 14 Dec 1992 07:20:18 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
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Curtis Jackson (cjackson@adobe.com) wrote:
:... Chew toys are a must; two or three of them is better than one because
:it gives variety.

A word of caution here.  Rawhide is not safe for most dogs to be left
alone with.  Dogs who really chew on rawhide and get it wet and soft can
pull off pieces large enough to choke on.  As it gets very slippery, it is 
hard for them to get out, and I have known people who have had to use
pliers to grip rawhide to stop a choke.

:... When you uncrate the dog you should praise him unmercifully and walk him immediately, and
: when he goes into the crate simply by being asked or motioned in, you should
: deal out similar levels of praise.

I would think twice about immediately making a big deal over a dog coming
out of a crate.  This encourages a dog to get overly excited as soon as
you get home.  Some dogs will begin digging at the crate door.  In and of
itself, only as bad as it bothers you, unless the dog catches a toe or 
accidently lets itself out.  Smart dogs catch on quickly to the latter,
and the former will send most dogs into a panic. 

Karen
From: maral@repare.EBay.Sun.COM (Mark Maral)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: food - California Natual
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:13:39 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: maral@repare.EBay.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: repare.ebay.sun.com

Does anyone  have any experience with this food?  I just
noticed it yesterday at the feed store and it's pamplet
boasts the shortest ingredient list in the industry:

Lamb Meal, Brown Rice, Rice, Sunflower Oil (naturally preserved)
Essential Vitamins and minerals.

Crude Protein, min 21% 		Crude Fiber, max   4.5%
Crude Fat, min     11%		Moisture, max      10%

No Synthetic Presertatives

States that "when most petfoods are manufactured the fat is sprayed
on the outside of the kibble.  As a result, a very high concentration
of fat is exposed to the outside air.  In these situations higher levels
of preservatives must be used to prevent spoilage.  At Natara they use
a technique by where they mix the fat internally.  By spreading the fat
evenly throughout the kibble there is less fat exposed to the outside
air - this allows natural vitamin E and C to preserve the freshness
of California Natural equally as well as a chemical preservative."

The reason i'm asking is that my GSD is suffering from an allergy to 
wheat products.  Have been feeding Nutro Max which appears to have
a considerable amount of wheat.  I noticed that Nutro produces a 
Lamb and Rice food but have not seen this.  Does it have any wheat
by-products in it?

Thanks from Mark and Astro


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From: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Opal's Inferiority Complex
Date: 18 Dec 1992 00:13:38 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: ce293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gail E. Brookhart)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, kkeating@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kelly Anne Hinkle) says:

>Hey All...I finally wrestled the keyboard back from Opal to ask a question.
>Before I do, though, I just want you all to know that this is not a serious
>problem, and I'm not all that worried about it, I just wanted to see what you
>all thought about it.  So, get out your K-9 Psychology books!  8-)
>
>Opal is a 7 year old Sheltie who is probably the most loved dog on the planet.
>Yes, I know, you think your dog is more loved, but s/he isn't!  :)  Anyhow, my
>9 month old daughter Jessica has gotten to that wonderful age of mischief.
>The problem is this--whenever I scold Jessica for doing something she knows
>she shouldn't, Opal slinks away like I'm yelling at her.  So as I'm saying,
>"J, no!", I have to say "Good dog, Opal!"  It's kinda hard sometimes!  :)
>
>Any suggestions?  As I said, this is not one of those life threatening
>problems, so please, no suggestions to put her to sleep or aaything.  :)  (OK,
>low blow....I admit it.)  
>
>thanks....
>
>Kelly, and Opal too!
>

This is going to sound strange but I bet that it works...

Treat Jessica and Opal like they are both members of a pack of 
dogs at your house.  Praise Opal before you correct Jessica.

That's how I did it with my two dogs.  Good dog always got an 
ego booster that made bad dog want it too!

Yes, it sounds strange but I capitalized on jealousy to speed
the learning of good behavior.

For what it's worth...

Gail Brookhart
and...
        Toby Airedale  (frequent bad dog)  the mischievous one
        Casey Bouvier  (freguent good dog)  a goody two-shoes!

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: missi@stein.u.washington.edu (Melissa Schilling)
Subject: Changes in my mastiff...
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:10:21 GMT


Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: srlee@beta.lanl.gov (Stephen R Lee)
Subject: Re: Malamute rescue
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:02:07 GMT

In article <BILLUW.92Dec15105252@turtle.oakhill.uucp> billuw@turtle.oakhill.uucp (Bill Underwood) writes:
>A friend of mine is attempting to find a home for a 1.5 year old male
>malamute whose owner is a major-league jerk.  Does anyone know of a
>malamute rescue group in central Texas?  Thanks for the help.
>
>Bill Underwood

I tried to e-mail this to you but it bounced.  I do not know anyone
in Texas, but the following person might:

Viginia Devaney
Alaskan Malamute Club of America Rescue
(505) 281-3961

She is in New Mexico, but she is probably in touch with others
around the country.

Hope this helps.

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From: trimpe_b@wums.wustl.edu
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: RE: Dogs and bedding
Date: 16 DEC 92 11:32:05 GMT
Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER
NNTP-Posting-Host: msnews.wustl.edu

In a previous article, whitaker@verdi.cs.unc.edu (Ross Whitaker) wrote:
>Hi all,
> 
>Several threads in this group have been talking about sleeping
>arrangements for dogs, and most people say "and of course a blanket".
>I would like to put a blanket or carpet in our dog's cage, but
>he shreads anything I put in their with him.  I make sure that
>he has plenty of toys, but he inevitable turns to the blanket, 
>even at night.
> 
>This dog is a 9-month old Choc. Lab.
> 
>Currently he sleeps on the bare metal tray that sits in the bottom of the
>cage (don't worry, he's plenty warm).  Any suggestions?  Should
>I put something in their and replace it as he shreds it?  Won't
>this encourage shredding?  We tried a piece of carpet (bad idea!) and
>it only encouraged him to shred carpets elsewhere in the house.
>I tried spraying a blanket with bitter apple and putting it in their,
>and he freaked out when we told him to go to his cage.  I forced
> 	[stuff deleted]
>	Ross 

	our 3 yo yellow lab was the same way.  He did out grow it so I 
suspect yours will.  In retrospect we should've just waited til he knew
better before we gave him anything.  Of course the blanket/towels tht
we gave him for bedding were old and we didn't really care but it does
make a mess.  Maybe a rawhide would be more enjoyable for him???
Also have you thought about straw or shredded newspaper?
Bev
From: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Leaving a puppy alone - bad idea?
Date: 16 Dec 92 21:25:26 GMT
Reply-To: davek@scooter.intel.com (David Karikas)
Organization: Le woof

In article <Stafford-131292155922@stafford.winona.msus.edu>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU (John Stafford) writes:
|> I've decided to put off getting a dog because I now live
|> alone and have no other animals in the area and I just
|> don't know how a puppy would fare when left alone for
|> 8 to 10 hours a day.  In the past, my puppys were never
|> alone for more than a few hours at a time.
|> 
|> I can provide an otherwise good environment for the pup;
|> food, fresh (running) water, shelter, a large fenced in
|> area (my home is a retired farm) and so forth but is 
|> this enough?
|> 
|> How about getting _two_ pups?  Would they be company
|> enough for each other while I am gone?


Well John, when I got a Golden Retriever pup 2 years ago and he was alone at 
least 10 hrs per day when I went to work. As he grew up he was used to it and I 
have never had a problem with him. I think the problems arise when the dog is
used to a lot of attention and then he gets none. When I go away for more
than 2 days he goes to the kennel where I got him for boarding. This way I 
know he will get attention.

Since then I now have another dog, 5 cats, 2 cows, horses, etc. to keep
him company. Actually his best buddy is a barn cat named pizza.
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Intel Corp. Hillsboro, Oregon
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From: greenlaw@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Leila Thomas)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Heidi where are you?
Date: 14 Dec 92 15:54:30 GMT
Reply-To: greenlaw@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Leila Thomas)
Distribution: usa
Organization: David Taylor Research Center, Annapolis, MD

In rec.pets.dogs, esh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Evelyn S. Hlabse) writes:
>I have lost your e-mail address.  Could you please send it to
>me and we can talk corgi?
>
>Thanks, Evelyn

Sorry my dog Heidi does not have net access.

Leila




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From: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Subject: Re: Dogs walking Dogs ?!?!?
Reply-To: schlumpf@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()
Organization: Materials Research Lab
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 23:35:14 GMT

In article <7565@dove.nist.gov>, glenn@sloth.ncsl.nist.gov writes:
|>
|>We have a dog in the neighborhood that will ONLY walk himself.
|>When on a leash he is miserable.  He pulls, stops, whines, etc. 
|>But if the owner puts part of the leash in the dog's mouth, he's 
|>as happy as can be.  It's a hillarious sight watching this dog
|>walking himself and his owner (sometimes he turns around and pulls
|>his owner along).
|>
|>Rob G.
|>glenn@osi.ncsl.nist.gov
|>

Believe it or not Siegfried does this. He'll walk nicely any way, BUT
he LOVES taking the leash in his mouth and walking ME...he never
pulls, just kinda prances around and seems to be saying "Here, MOM,
HERE is where I need to go now (he's got one spot for peeing and one
spot for pooping)" but if he doens't have to go to either spot he'll
still take it in his mouth and prance around (never pulling)...makes him
happy..  We've been joking that he'd make a great horse (bit and bridle,
he also has great extension and collection...would make a great dressage
dog!!! ha ha ha)!!!! He's about the size of one!!!

Kay & Crew  
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From: smm1@troy.cc.bellcore.com (michelson,steven)
Subject: Re: Names for male dog starting with 'B' needed
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 92 21:05:31 GMT

In article <rasmussenc.61.0@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu> rasmussenc@vaxb.gbus.virginia.edu writes:
>
>Any good names for a male Dobe puppy beginning with the letter B?
>
>Thanx in advance!  -Chris R

Binky
Boo-boo

I can just hear it:

"Get you're viscious dog off me!!!"
"Down Boo-boo, down..."

:-0
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From: betsy@rainbow.uchicago.edu (Betsy Weatherhead)
Subject: Re: Recipes for homemade dog biscuits/treats
Keywords: treats food 
Organization: University of Chicago
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 03:44:37 GMT


> As the holidays draw near, I can think of nothing nicer for my dog-friends
> than a gift of homemade dog biscuits.  Care to share your recipes?

OK, I'm not a gourmet, but my dogs aren't gourmands either.  I get a box of
velveeta, a package of hot dogs, a pound of bacon, and a quantity of rice
to dilute out the rest of the ingredients to make sure they don't get sick.
I cook up the bacon, cut up the hot dogs, mix everything artistically in
with the cooked rice and put a few store bought dog biscuits around the
edges.  This is their main Christmas treat.  And, of course, I make up 
several of these in disposable dishes to give to my friend's dogs.  It
wouldn't be Christmas without it!


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