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From: dlm4731@zeus.tamu.edu (MAREK, DAVID LESLIE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: XMEN:TAS-load of crap
Date: 11 Nov 92 15:51:00 GMT
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
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>>Things that I've noticed about the cartoon that turn my stomach:
>>
>>3)Rogue's eyes are blue, not brown damn it
> 
>  I thought they were green.

I looked at my Giant Size Xmen yesterday and it says that Rogue's eyes are
blue.  Since it was the first issue with Rogue, I'm taking it as the way
that they should be, not what others have done since.

Dave
From: jng53092@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Gad)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cable
Date: 13 Nov 92 03:43:26 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr) writes:

>(Stuff in the way of who is Cable? deleted)

>HAHAHHAHAAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
>BWAHHHHAAHAHAHAAHA!!!!
>Is it me, or didn't we just go through four weeks of Nathan Summers is Cable
>caca?  Now, blokhead (no pun intended) goes and starts it all over again!
>AHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAAA!!
>urk.

>(Dead comics reader on floor.  Dial 911)

>Mike C.

<Gracefully stepping over Mike's cooling corpse>
 
<Looking over at the assembled netdom equipped with flamethrowers and other 
 nasty-looking weapons>

Gentlemen, please.  Allow me.  And somebody call 911 before this guy stinks up
the place.  Thank you.

Now, I believe the original poster asked what powers Cable has.  So far, we 
have seen Telekinesis. (X-Force 1 or 2, I forget which)  That's ALL we've 
seen, and it was only for a page or so.  (Its interesting to note that Cable
lost the use of his cybernetics after Wipeout zapped him during the Xtinction
Agenda, suggesting that Cable's cyber-stuff may be TK powered, but I digress)

There has been, (and you probably missed it, or  wouldn't have posted a Cable
question) a mild, restrained, and very rational debate about Cable being 
Nathan Charles Christopher Summers all grown up and back in time.  (Please
take that in context.  The debate was very mild, restrained, and rational when
compared too, oh, say Nuclear Armageddon...)  The current X-Cutioner's Song
does tend to make it seem that Cable actually is NCCS, but no one's ever 
actually officially SAID so.  If this is true, then Cable should also be
credited with NCCS's shown powers, namely Telekinesis.  See a similarity? 
Hence the debate. 

Any other questions?  No?  Alright.  Gentlemen, you may resume your flame-fest.

<Steps aside as the slavering hordes of racx readers descend on the hapless
 poster>

  
-- 
*******************************************************************************
Jon Gad                              *      "Wrath of God.  Ha.  Its the 
jng53092@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu            *       Wrath of GAD that you should
				     *       worry about..."   Me
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From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
Subject: Re: How many NATHANS are there?
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 03:49:00 GMT
Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network

In article <1992Nov10.015511.5095@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU
(SCAVENGER 2099) writes:
>In article <92307.193859EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> Ernie Oporto
<EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>>In article <Bx3oAw.K82@ns1.nodak.edu>, dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry)
>>says:
>>
><explanations on Rachel's and Bishop's futures and why they arne't the same>

>oh, what a dilema.  Do I side with one of my LNHers, or with the President of
>my
>Fan club(RFC--I belong).  Well, I've known Dave longer, so you loose Shokk.

Thanks for the support, Scav. Your payoff is in FedEx right now. Just get
those LNH goons off my doorstep.

>After Future Past there is _no_ heroes left.  Disregarding EXCAL. 50, the time
>line for future past goes....

While in complete sympathy with that statement, that stupid line by Bishop
in the latest X-Cutioner's Song (how he used to "hide from Nimrods") leads
credence, alas, to Ernie's belief (FuturePast leads to Bishopworld).

I'll still hold that the differences seem strong enough that I'll need more
than a one line from a time-twisted character to prove to me that *the*
FuturePast of X-Men #141 leads to Bishopworld, and not just a coincidence
that there are things called "Nimrod" that hunt mutants in more than one
closely-allied alternate timelines...

Hhh. Once again, I stand back and just wait for the silly books to fill in
the gaps...

>It IS POSSIBLE that Bishop comes from the Mutant Utopia from New Mutants 49-50,
>but that is another discussion.

That's a discussion I think makes more sense... by and large. Thanks for your
support, Scav, but I think Ernie out-flanked us on this one. It's okay, I'll
nuke 'em on ComicW-L. :-)

"So what, *exactly*, is going on here?" --Richard Darwin

-- 
David R. Henry - Rogue Fan Club - OBESSA CANTAUIT - Ouch. --Richard Darwin
"Message for TJ Teru." --Roger Robot // What was the question? --Kate Bush
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS // Thanks... for the memories.--Rogue
dhenry@plains.nodak.edu * ud137927@ndsuvm1.bitnet * ud137927@vm1.nodak.edu
From: asoto@dacapo.urbana.mcd.mot.com (Anthony Soto)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: X-Men
Date: 12 Nov 92 15:47:00 GMT
Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center

In article <1992Nov9.045101.6832@scott.skidmore.edu>, jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein) writes:
|> dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David Henry) writes:
|> > >>>Who the Hell is this morph guy on the X-men cartoon?
|> > >>>I haven't read the comic book in a while But I don't think this character
|> > >>>has been in anything.
|> > >>>Am I wrong?
|> > >>	Morph was a character specially created for the TV series.  I think
|> > >>he buys the farm in the second show, but I'm not sure.
|> > >Actually, I heard that Morph is based on a character from around issue
|> > >100 of XMen called Chameleon.  
|> > 
|> > Close, Elisabeth, but not quite. Chameleon showed up in the original X-Men
|> > series, around issues #40-50, if I remember correctly.
|> 
|> Try issue two of Spider Man.  I believe the Chameleon was the one who
|> died in Professor X's place back in X-men #42.

No, the Chameleon is a Spiderman character. The character you are all thinking
of is the Changeling. He first appeared in about X-Men #38 or so. He was the one
who died in place of Professor X in X-Men #42.
					Tony
From: mikecap@lizardo.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Paradoxes
Date: 5 Nov 1992 05:01:19 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
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Actually, paradoxes bring up a quite interesting point.  Say, for the sake of
argument that time travel is possible.  O.k. fine.  Now the atoms that make up
your body have existed for a long time - in fact, they have ALWAYS existed.  
This means that no matter when you travel through time - YOU WILL MEET YOUR
PAST SELF.  Think about it.  If the particles that you consist of have always
existed, then aren't you DOUBLING the number of particles of you that exist 
at that moment when you travel in time???  If this was so, then theoretically,
you could keep time traveling to one spot until an infinite number of "yous" 
existed there.  Meanwhile, the particles that were you in your present have 
"vanished".  However, the total number of particles in the timeline is
CONSERVED.  When your particles move through time from one point to another,
some of the universe ceases to exist at one point and moves to another.  What
is the implication of this?  An infinite number of "yous" exist across all of 
space and time - all existing at once.  Essentially, this means that there is
a quantization of time *somewhere*; there must be.  If this is so, then with
every passing moment a new universe is created - one different in some respect
from the one that came before it a quantum of time ago.  
This is what Marvel does when time travel occurs.  Since all possible realities
and all the "yous" in them exist all at once "time travel" involves skipping
across the different realities.  Apparently the technology in the Marvel 
universe now only allows "time travel" by travelling to alternate realities,
including the natural powers of mutants.  It could be that the natural laws of
the Marvel universe only allow that kind of travel - we know that Dr. Doom
acquired time sequencers from another dimension (probably somewhere else in the
Omniverse) that did allow intra-dimensional time travel.  These devices may 
have operated under different physical laws.
At any rate, the situation is that Cable is a time-traveler, and there may be
an alternate realities juncture involved.  At any rate, it is entirely possible
for two of the same person to exist at any time...at the same time, even within
the Marvel wimp-writer time travel clause.

(Check it out, PAD!)


Mike C., questing for knowledge as usual


P.S.  Can somebody crosspost this to rec.arts.comics?  I'm not sure how to do
it, being inexperienced to the system and all.


-- 
"1. One Mind there is; but under it two principles contend.       
 2. The Mind lets in the light, then the dark, in interaction; so time is gen-
 erated.  At the end Mind awards victory to the light; time ceases and the Mind
 is complete."        - from _Tractates: Cryptica Scriptura_
From: stevenra@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Alex Stevens)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Origins of Cable and Stryfe revealed in X-Force #17
Date: 10 Nov 92 02:50:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: mentor.BxHBw4.KI8
Distribution: usa
Organization: Purdue University

In article <1992Nov9.202722.17274@husc3.harvard.edu> galletti@husc10.harvard.edu (Arturo Galletti) writes:
>Does anyone else besides me recall the chosen from the old Apocalypse
>storylines?The twelve? Or maybe there is an x-man who is a highlord and
>he or she turns out to be the traitor.Hmmmmmm........

	Nah, Marvel could never tie old dangling plot lines into something
respectable like that (claremont's gone!).   We'll probably find out
the High Lords are all phony, and the Traitor is a delusion of whats-his-name.
Sinister is Strye is Apocalypse, Apocalyse just had a rogue robot double,
with all the same powers who came back to kill him (as Strye who is Apocalypse).We'll find out that Changeling never died, and he is Jean Grey because
Prof. X thought Scott needed to cheer up.  Nightcrawler actually was Mystique
all along, and the whole Excaliber thing was a dream of his.  I could
go on, but I'd need a X-Men Biweekly, Quarterly, and a few other new series
for Marvel to present this in and start new plot lines.

I forgot all the Siege Perilous stuff....maybe next time : -)

Alex
stevenra@feserve.cc.purdue.edu
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From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: X-men movie cast
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:57:03 GMT

In article <1dodavINN7us@uwm.edu> pjconley@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Pat J Conley) writes:
>	and one final thing to consider....if you have all these
>	big-name stars, how are going to afford to pay for them
>	and the special effects and still turn a profit?

Since this is fantasy casting, the fantasy answer would be that they are
all life-long X-Men fans and do it for the artistic privlidge.

Topher (if you're going to dream, dream BIG)
-- 
 Christopher A. White                    | 
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 GTech Corporation, West Greenwich, RI   | 
 The opinions expressed are mine alone   |           - Topher
Organization: Freshman, Art, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 01:53:43 -0500 
From: Chris Holly <maverick+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Jean Grey's Non-Codename

Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.xbooks: 9-Nov-92 Jean Grey's
Non-Codename jjfink@skcla.monsanto.co (666)

> WRT the animated series... I'd always pronounced Henry Peter Gyrich's last name
> as JIErich (like gyro), not GEERick.  Are there earlier pronounciation
> references? 


Everyone I've ever talked to has pronced it your way also...


Chris Holly( The Maverick )
From: vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: oops, i forgot....RE: optic blasts
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:51:58 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <1dr5h7INNkiv@uwm.edu> pjconley@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Pat J Conley) writes:
-
-	oh yeah, since scott is immune to his power, just
-	have jean teleknetically close his eyes and hold
-	them shut....extreme, but no one said it was a pretty
-	marvel universe.
-

Why does he need Jean to hold his eyes shut when he can do it himself?

JRjr
-- 
'Let's not pretend to justify, Rather amend where treasures lie.  Straight
through the heart peace can be found.  That's where you start, not all 
around...'  Extreme -- Rest In Peace
#####  vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU  ########  Jerry B. Ray, Jr.  ################
From: mikecap@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Vince Caprio Jr)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: Re: Cable
Date: 13 Nov 1992 00:23:49 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
Distribution: world
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(Stuff in the way of who is Cable? deleted)


HAHAHHAHAAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

BWAHHHHAAHAHAHAAHA!!!!

Is it me, or didn't we just go through four weeks of Nathan Summers is Cable
caca?  Now, blokhead (no pun intended) goes and starts it all over again!

AHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAAA!!

urk.


(Dead comics reader on floor.  Dial 911)


Mike C.
-- 
"1. One Mind there is; but under it two principles contend.       
 2. The Mind lets in the light, then the dark, in interaction; so time is gen-
 erated.  At the end Mind awards victory to the light; time ceases and the Mind
 is complete."        - from _Tractates: Cryptica Scriptura_
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From: swindley@elec.uq.oz.au (Bob Swindley)
Subject: Re: XMEN:TAS-load of crap
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 04:10:38 GMT

re rogue's eyes

I thought they were green when she was Danvers and blue normally
(as seen in the extinction agenda when Carol takes over for the
firsttime)

Maybe when Magneto messed with her he allowed her to switch 
between green and blue (WOW a new mutant ability)

This characteristic for eyes to seem different colors is
actual (it was actually mentioned in a movie last night
on Tv called _Suspect_ with Cher.

My blabble
        chengster
From: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Subject: Rogue's eyes (was Re: XMEN:TAS-load of crap)
Reply-To: ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 05:12:42 GMT

In article <11NOV199209514441@zeus.tamu.edu> dlm4731@zeus.tamu.edu (MAREK, DAVID LESLIE) writes:
>
>I looked at my Giant Size Xmen yesterday and it says that Rogue's eyes are
>blue.  Since it was the first issue with Rogue, I'm taking it as the way
>that they should be, not what others have done since.
>
>Dave
>

Rogue first appeared in X-Men with issue #158 (this is where Carol Danvers 
travels to the Pentagon to erase some files and runs into the Brotherhood
of Evil Mutants. Since Rogue destroyed Danver's life, they slug it out).
She joined the X-Men in issue #171. Giant Size X-Men makes no reference to
Rogue. In fact, I'm pretty sure that Marvel didn't create her until a number
of years later. BTW, her eyes are green, except when the colorist screws up.



/////////
My test sig worked!

"Torque" a.k.a. ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
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From: j_fitzge@oz.plymouth.edu (Jesse L. Fitzgerald)
Subject: Can't you take a joke?!
Reply-To: j_fitzge@oz.plymouth.edu (Jesse L. Fitzgerald)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:22:19 GMT

Jesum Crow. Calm down. The way you people are acting it's like I
killed someone.
	I will now take the time to apologize with DHERNY for any
undue stress I may have put him through with my posting.

Now...I think it's unfair that someonew would say that I ruined the
sentinels post by writing in on the new Sentinels made by Fitzroy. Sue
me, I'm sorry already! (Insult deleted)

And no that's not my Sig.file. I haven't made one yet, I just throw in
whatever I feel like at the end.

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From: amstazds@tacom-emh1.army.mil (VICIAN Theodore)
Subject: Re: X-men: TAS 
Organization: U.S. Army Tank Automotive Command (TACOM)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 15:23:17 GMT

I thought I saw Jubilee in that scene.  Your post confirms it for me.
Geez, only two episodes and a major continuity break already.

Did anyone besides me actually like Cannon Fodder [sorry, I mean Morph]?

Ted.
From: 885celio@gw.wmich.edu (Gail Celio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks
Subject: X-movie "Wovlerine" candidate
Date: 11 Nov 92 22:58:37 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

This sounds weird, but I was watching "The Blues Brothers" the other day.
Am I the only one who thinks that if he lost a bunch of weight, worked
out, and was still alive, that John Belushi would've made a cool Wolverine?
Maybe it's just the sideburns...  :)

-- 
"It just seems like nothing		Trekker, Leaper, Whovian, X-Fan,
   makes any sense anymore!"		Gamer, Dragonwriter of Pern,
"Welcome to MY world."			Farsidian, Hill Valley Tourist,
	--"Killin' Time", QL		Xenobiologist...
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From: mobey@arrods.enet.dec.com (arrods::mobey)
Subject: Cyclops' eye beams
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 13:33:41 GMT
X-Posted-Via: NEWS-NOTES gateway (a hack!)

    
    Hiya folks
    
    about cyclops eye beams
    
    there's no way a concussive force fails to produce a backlash
    it has to push against something
    
    try pushing something along while on ice
    
    buuuuuuuuut it might not be cyclops it pushes against
    (god knows what or how)
    
    any way 
    
    didn't cyclops use pulsed eye beams to save wolvie from a fall
    during the Claremont/Byrne run
    I think it was in the savage land
    
    Gary
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From: jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jay Elmore)
Subject: Re: Captain Universe (was Re: X-men TAS -- More errors?)
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: Marvel
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 05:28:25 GMT

In article <BxMIyH.2yI@ansoft.com> louis@maxwell.Berkeley.EDU (Louis Reash) writes:
>Isn't the most current CU a Kree?
>
>I could have swore I saw that some where!
> 
>(Avengers? WCAvengers? Quasar?)?
>
>But where?  Does anyone remember?
>
>Louis Reash      'It's deja vu all over again' - Unknown
>louis@ansoft.com 'The brighter the picture, the darker the negative' 
>                   - Batman the Animated Series 'Two-Face'
>Disclaimer: My boss doesn't listen to what I say, why should you?

Actually the newest Captain Universe is a Badoon, in Guardians of the
Galaxy #31 and #32 so far.. haven't read 32 yet, so I don't know if it's a
3-part story...

(And yes it does count, because the Guardians are visiting the 20th
century!)

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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thanatos)
Subject: Re: jean, scott, and optic blasts
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 05:17:01 GMT

For all of you fussin' and fuming on whether or not Jean could have held it 
back, you're forgetting the utter stupidity of the scene.  Jean can FLY.
So why the HELL did she try "swinging" across the chasm, a la Star Wars.

"Gee...I can a) swing in a confined arc, allowing anyone shooting at me to get
a bead, or b) fly like a crazywoman.  DUUHH..."

Think of the "Can I hold it back" arguement this way.  Cyclops has been needing
a power upgrade for a loong time (long by fanboy standards, anyway).  So 
Lobdell laid it on the line, and said that he "can pulverize adamantium." 
Since Jean can create a field over his eyes, and keep the effect at bay, 
ergo her TK is stronger than adamantium.  Boy will wolvie be pissed now.
No wonder they created carbonadium...

-- 
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man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / It's a Zen thing... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	 you wouldn't understand...  
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From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Subject: Re: X-men: TAS 
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 20:28:25 GMT

evans@cs.uwp.edu (Randy Evans) writes:
> Did anyone notice that in the war room scene when the president was giving
> her speech Jubeliee was there even tho she was still a prisoner in Detroit.

Yes, I saw that.  Two other things.  One, the scale of the sentinals
kept on changing.  Sometimes Wolverine appeared to be half as tall as
a Sentinal.  Also, the room full of Bad-guys that were the conclusion
of the first episode were completely different.  Different uniforms,
different arrangement...
  The animation has its good points, but it definately leaves alot to
be desired.  BTAS is spoiling us, I guess.  The number of frames per
minute should be upped during the credits as well.  The Opening
sequence (which usually is a chance for the animators to show off) is
jerky and poorly done.
  Overall, I'd give X-men a C+ for being a cartoon.
-- 
This is my sig file.
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From: jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell)
Subject: Re: X-Men: The MovieOkay, since there's been plenty of talk about the new X-Men animated
Organization: Victoria University of Technology
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 06:47:41 GMT

stevenra@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Alex Stevens) writes:

>In article <BxBMrt.FoC@matilda.vut.edu.au> jed@matilda.vut.edu.au (Jed Bowtell) writes:
>>How about
>>
>>Wolverine - The Indian tracker type guy from Predator
>	
>	YES!!!!!!!!!!! Someone else remembered him!  I was struggling to 
>remember which movie he was in. Everyone stop reading and watch Predator,
>he may be Native, but he's perfect!!!

I was really suprised nobody else thought of him
before me. I suppose there is the fact that he is
Native but his face is perfect with a pretty
solid set of features the right nose and I think
he even has sideburns. I'm not sure about his
height, that could be a problem. He is definately
muscular enough. Otherwise they could get that
Tattoo guy from Fantasy Island.

Jed