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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: Your first figure?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 02:15:07 GMT

mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:

>What was the first figure everyone got?

Greedo was the first one that I got.

I also remember saving all of those proofs of purchase symbols.  I got
a number of the fere figures and that accessory kit.  Letsee...
the free figures that I remember getting were:
Bossk, another bounty hunter (he had sort of an insect-looking head),
Armiral Ackbar, Lando's copilot in RotJ (what's his name).  I also
remember that Anakin Sywalker was offered, but I never got him for
some reason.

Hmm... on another subject, does anyone know where to get back issues
of the Bantha Tracks 'zine?

keith
From: dmf@aber.ac.uk (Darren Michael Forbes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Hammil?!
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:20:37 GMT
Organization: University of Wales, Aberystwyth

In article <1992Aug18.154704.754@pro-freedom.cts.com> pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras) writes:
>OK, I stand (or rather sit) corrected. Mark Hamil was in the *PLAY* version
>of Amadeus, and not the movie. My mistake (I was referring to an old
>magazine article on that). As for how exciting and my defination on how
>exciting, well, to each his own....8-/
>
>Dave

   I saw Hamil in a film called "Mutotronics" which was released on video
in the UK around three months ago.  He was sporting a rain coat and
mustache (sp).  The film was about people who could transform in to monsters
and a super powerful suit of armour.  It was ... well, it passed the time.

Darren.


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From: etllnfr@bagpuss.ericsson.se (Lyndon Fletcher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Animation??, maybe
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:53:09 GMT
Organization: Ericsson Cellular Division

In article <1992Aug12.191533.25039@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> tabaer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Troy A Baer) writes:
>I think it would be pretty cool, but I don't foresee it happening.  If it
>did, the animation studio would almost HAVE to be Japanese, to do the
>starships and droids justice.

Maybe not. Checkout an animated film called "Starchaser:- The Legend of Orin"

Basically it's a modified animated version of "Starwars" and although the 
Animation is not up to the level of Akira  it is IMHO good enough to do
a SW movie. These guys do with animation thing that would be very difficult
for ILM to have done with models (though not with the new computer stuff).

Check it out. I saw it about the time of Jedi and thought it was pretty neat.


Fletch
From: cuscd@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Charles Dey)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Threepio question
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:39:28 GMT
Organization: Educational Computing Network


also, Threepio isn't stupid...  he has no idea who Luke is and it might
be a very dumb move to tell a simple-down and out-farm boy that, yes I'm
a droid for the rebel Aliance, I was on a ship which was escorting one
of the rebel leaders , Princess Leia, really important person I might
add, the Imperials would probably give you a huge reward for bringing in
me and R2 here....

I don't think so, I thinkk he was just acting dumb, simple....

...crim'


"What a piece of junk..."  Luke Skywalker, Star Wars.
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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Carrie Fisher
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 18:33:09 GMT

In article <9222902.28047@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> dyko@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Darren Yiu Ming KO) writes:
>
>	I don't know if I've spelt her name right, but anyway you know
>	who I'm talking about.
>
>	She ain't bad looking in all the 3 Starwars movies, but was
>	she a co-actress in "When Harry Met Sally", if so, that really
>	surprised me! I can't say I found much of a resemblence of this
>	Carrie Fisher to the one in Starwars!
>
>	Can anyone confirm this?

Sure can.  _The_ Carrie Fisher played Marie in "When Harry Met Sally."
Marie was Sally's (Meg Ryan) friend who ended up marrying Jess (Bruno Kirby).
I agree that she didn't look too much like Leia, but she had a radically 
different hair style and after all, this is Hollywood, you know?



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From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: request for opening text - Here is is
Date: 22 Aug 92 17:30:31 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada

tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein) writes:



>Boy they seem a lot longer in the theatre, don't they?

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Yes, you're right!  I just love, though, the way it scrolled off into
the distance.  Was that done by moving the lettering, moving the
camera, or someother 1970's technology?



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From: mjs49101@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Martin )
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: SW VS. Dune
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:03:18 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.BszM9K.3J1
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

tsmaster@media.mit.edu (David LeCompte) writes:

>In article <cPZePB8w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> crunch@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Travis Prebble) writes:
>>It would never work.  AT-ATs would come out and stomp the crud out of the 
>>sand worms. :-)

>No way. Those worms are way big. They'd easily munch the AT-ATs.


>				-Dave

  All they'd have to do is hose em down and those worms would be history.
From: elle@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ellen Keyne Seebacher)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Carrie Fisher
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:03:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: midway.1992Aug21.160332.14124
Reply-To: elle@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations


 frandag@math.ksu.edu (Francis Fung) writes:

>By the way, she [Fisher] also just had a baby last month.

I've asked Francis this by mail, and he doesn't know.  Does anyone either
(a) have more details (name of baby, name of father, whether she remarried
or not -- all gossip welcomed), or (b) have a pointer to when the news hit
the papers?

I'm also interested in Fisher's _Rolling Stone_ interview with Madonna.  
I'm told it was at least six or seven months ago, but don't have a more
definite pointer than that.  Issue?  Date?

Thanks.

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  "Wonderful girl!  ... I'm beginning to like her."  --SW:ANH
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From: svedberg@s20.msi.umn.edu (Eric J. Svedberg)
Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 16:03:53 GMT

hist1261@waikato.ac.nz writes:

>In article <scottg.05nu@amiganet.chi.il.us>, scottg@amiganet.chi.il.us (Scott Gittlitz) writes:
>> No surprises there, Lucas has also stated that C3PO & R2D2 would be the
>>linking characters for all nine films, this he said from day one of
>>production on Star Wars and has never changed.

>I've been reading and hearing this for years and I can't quite see how Lucas
>will do it.  Aren't R2-D2 and C-3PO meant to be the most recent models of their
>type?  Isn't there a comment to this effect in "Star Wars" when the Jawas are
>haggling?  How then can these relatively late model droids be featured in the
>earlier trilogy?

   I think that you could safely guess that if artoo and threepeeo are 200
years old that the older models are older than that.  I don't think that
they are the most recent models, but you could be right.  Just a thought.

>I suppose they might be employed in some sort of framing device - as narrators
>telling the story of the Clone Wars much as 3PO told the Ewoks all about the 
>earlier two films in "Jedi".

>Richard.

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From: pip@pro-freedom.cts.com (David Pipgras)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Falcon, X-Wings, etc. sets
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:52:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: pro-free.1992Aug18.155214.754
Organization: ProLine [pro-freedom] AppleVan (Apple UG of Vancouver, WA)

In <1992Aug18.091733.58232@cc.usu.edu> sl6wv@cc.usu.edu writes:

>In article <SS.92Aug17120153@wpi.WPI.EDU>, ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) writes:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:55:07 GMT, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) said:
>> 
>> mcmahan> In some of the ESB publications, they show a full scale model
>> mcmahan> of the Falcon being built from scratch.
>> 
>> The same full scale model of the Falcon was used in all 3 movies. It
>> was designed to me taken apart in sections, like pieces of a pie, so
>> it could be moved around, and stored easier. You probably saw a
>> picture of them putting the pieces together, not building it from
>> scratch.
>> --
>>                         Scott Streeter
>>                         ss@wpi.wpi.edu
>	Maybe I'm mistaken, but I seem to recall that the original Falcon was
>accidentally destoryed in between shootings of ANH and TESB.  Either there was
>a fire at EMI Studios in London or the materials were used for some other movie
>set.  In all, I believe that the Falcon was rebuilt from scratch, but that they 
>tried real hard to make sure that didn't happen again for ROTJ.  What would be
>even more interesting is to find out just where that full-sized model of it is
>located at right now.
>
>
>			Rob "Woodchip" Horning


I think you are mistaken. The Falcon was built mostly of a metal framework,
and other stuff, but I have never heard of it being burned in a fire....I
think I would have remembered that, but if you can find that info, please
post it to send it to me...

The full-sized section can be taken apart for transportation and storage, I
think it was something like 12 or 16 parts all together. As for where it is
stored, I would venture the guess that it is currently sitting at the
LucasFilm Warehouse under heavy security, as is most of the other ships,
Costumes, etc....

Dave
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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Bubba Fett
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 20:29:31 GMT

In article <92230.133524U51115@uicvm.uic.edu> <U51115@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>
>        It seems to me that I'm not the only one who seems to think that Fetts
>death was stupid if not tragic.

I still say that he was on vacation, and an imposter who he had filling in
for him fell into the Sarlacc.  I suppose that even if it _was_ actually him
who fell into the Sarlacc, he could probably escape (he's got a jet pack after
all), but that doesn't explain the weenie little fight that he put up, so I
still go with my first theory.

>here's some free advice. Never die with a pickle up your ass. It looks real 
>bad.

Hmmmm...I don't think I can expand on that.



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From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: little known movie
Date: 18 Aug 1992 09:36:39 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu
Keywords: ROTJ, Owen Ben

In article <66250@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P) writes:
>
>Just being curious, exactly where in Return of the Jedi is it made clear that
>Owen and Ben brothers?  I can't even recall Owen and Beru being referred to
>anywhere after ANH.  The closest would be when Luke speaks of being born on
>Tatooine and Han tells him that since he'll die here too, it's pretty 
>convenient.  But I don't remember Uncle Owen.

	Don't worry about it, it was never mentioned in the film. The person
who posted that must have gotten confused with the novel. That's where it's
mentioned. Owen is not mentioned in Jedi. This is ALL Ben says concerning Luke
and Leia's youth:

	"The other he spoke of is your twin sister....To protect you both
from the Emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born.  The
Emperor new as I did that if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would
be a threat to him. That is the reason why your sister remains safely
anonymous."

	Even though the novel says that Owen is Ben's brother, to be sure
about it we will probably have to wait until the next film is released.




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From: joshm@crash.cts.com (Josh Mercer)
Subject: Question about Imperial Officers
Distribution: na
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:30:43 GMT
Summary: What're those little metal things...?
Keywords: Little metal things

I've long wondered (well, not LONG, but) what the small metal cylindrical 
objects that Imperial officers carry in small pockets (it seems) next to
their rank insignias?  They look like they could be about the size of thick
felt-tip pens, though colored chrome.  Any ideas?
From: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk (Ian Coleman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: New Star Wars Movies?
Date: 12 Aug 92 07:55:37 GMT
Reply-To: ipc@zoo.bt.co.uk
Organization: BT Laboratories

In article 10045@waikato.ac.nz, hist1261@waikato.ac.nz () writes:
 
>I've been reading and hearing this for years and I can't quite see how Lucas
>will do it.  Aren't R2-D2 and C-3PO meant to be the most recent models of their
>type?  Isn't there a comment to this effect in "Star Wars" when the Jawas are
>haggling?  How then can these relatively late model droids be featured in the
>earlier trilogy?

I don't think they are refered to as modern in the films. Luke says to Owen
'I think the new droids will eork out fine' in much the same way as I say
I have just bought a new TV (Secondhand ten years old!)

In the SW Novelisation Ben says something like
"That's the strange part, I don't remeber ever owning a droid, let alone a
modern R2 unit" or words to that effect, but in the movie he simply says
he doesn't remember owning a droid.

>I suppose they might be employed in some sort of framing device - as narrators
>telling the story of the Clone Wars much as 3PO told the Ewoks all about the 
>earlier two films in "Jedi".

I hope not. I *hate* movies that use narrators or overuse the flashback!

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From: joshua@lclark.edu (Joshua Rochester)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Hammil?!
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:54:52 GMT
Article-I.D.: lclark.1992Aug18.185452.17966
Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR

Mark also appeared in a movie called 'Slipstream'. While I can't recommend
the movie, it's worth a trip to your rental store to take a look at the
box cover. Mark has changed big time. Imagine him with a mohawk and
muscles, and you'll know what I mean.
Organization: The Pennylvania State University
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 09:57:00 EDT
From: Ernie Oporto <EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Vader's motivation at Bespin
 <1992Aug11.165046.5003@uvm.edu> <1992Aug12.010412.15274@cco.caltech.edu>

In article <1992Aug12.010412.15274@cco.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu
(Keith Allan Schneider) says:
>
>cblaise@moose.uvm.edu.UUCP (Chris Blaise) writes:
>
>>       2) Owen is *BEN'S* brother, as revealed in ROTJ.  What would Vader
>>make of an Owen Lars?  This is assuming Vader had forgotten the name of
>>is former self and deemed it neccessary to check ye ol' Imperial computer
>>for "Luke Skywalker" and coming up with the name of his guardians.
>
>I think that Lucas changed his mind on this fact while making the movies.  All
>of the clues in ANH point to the fact that Owen was Vader's brother.  The
>conversation about Luke's father (Between beru and owen) points to this.
>Owen also denies knowing anything about "Obi-Wan" Kenobi.  Owen doesn't want
>Luke to meet the same weirdo that corrupted his father.  Also, if Owen
>was Ben's brother, then wouldn't they have the same last name?

Maybe as an intelligent precaution, he changed his last name?  If the Impies
came around looking throught the conquered population, a trip across a name
like Lars would bring nothing upon the family, especially if they hid Luke
away in 'the toolshed' or something.  I dont think Vader knew he had a son,
so it would be an accident to come across a Skywalker on Tattooine.  A Lars
family wouldn't cause any excitement...especially for a Wormie Lars?

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Matte paintings (Falcon at Cloud City) -- NOT!
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 16:55:11 GMT


In a previous article, beh10@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Barry Holsinger) says:

>
>Ack!  I though THAT was the Real (tm) Falcon.  Hmm, hum, better make an
>appointment at 20/20 Vision tonight. 
>
>
>BTW, does anybody know how complete is the full-size model of the Falcon?
>Seems like ANH only showed the front right (starboard?) section, but
>my eyes may have decieved me there. 

I think that that was about it.  You'll notice that it's this same side
that you see in ESB.  Yes, I was under the impression that that was the
real one too.  Pretty sure, in fact.

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From: gt6390a@prism.gatech.EDU (BERNSTEIN,AVRON P)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Vader's motivation at Bespin
Keywords: Boba Fett, Chewie alive
Date: 13 Aug 92 01:41:54 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology


Well if Vader wanted Chewie et al. to be dead, they probably would be.  He 
probably didn't want Boba Fett to shoot them because Vader felt he could use
them for some other purpose at a later date, it's much easier to have them
alive, for use as live victims OR as dead ones, than to have them dead, where
they would be useful only as corpses, since ressurrection seems to be difficult
to say the least, even for a Jedi.
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From: joshuali@aludra.usc.edu (Joshua Ling)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: Industrial Light & Magic .....
Date: 12 Aug 1992 09:37:06 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug12.125649.11480@gserv1.dl.ac.uk> gzc@gserv1.dl.ac.uk writes:
>Keywords: 
>
>Can anyone help me I am after information on any (ILM) Industrial Light & Magic
>activity or goings on. I am particularly interested in computer generated special
>effects such as those used in TERMINATOR II and the Abyss. I have read the book by
>Thomas G Smith...."ILM The Art Of Special Effects" (which is a must if you do not have
>it) and would like to find out more !!!!!!

Try looking in CINEFEX magazine. They usually cover films done by ILM.
They devoted a whole issue to the Abyss and a whole issue to T2 also.

There are plans for a second volume of the ART OF SPECIAL EFFECTS either
late this year or early next year which will cover the ILM days from '86
on up.  I'm not sure who will author it though.


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From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Favourite Star Wars movie
Keywords: Star Wars
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 16:32:12 GMT

In article <lotter.87.713704949@cc.und.ac.za> lotter@cc.und.ac.za (Eddie Lotter) writes:

>ANH was released in '77
>ESB was released in '80
>ROJ was released in '83
>
>Or was this only in my country? Mmh.

Nope-- that's how it happened here, too.

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From: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Subject: Re: Episodes 7,8, & 9 or just a marketing ploy?
Reply-To: tlg4@po.CWRU.Edu (TJ Goldstein)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:36:55 GMT


In a previous article, ithron@athena.mit.edu (Arthur Lue) says:

>
>I'm new here so I don't know if this issue has been addressed.
>
>The new book trilogy coming out (so far _Heir to the Empire_ and _Dark Force
>Rising_) has been authorized by Lucasfilm so I presume it's legitimate.  However,
>does this new trilogy constitute Episodes 7, 8 and 9 of the _Star Wars_ cycle?
>

Absolutely not.  They are in no way related to 7,8,9 other than the
fact that Lucasfilm is keeping an eye on what Zahn is doing so that
he doesn't screw up the history for when he gets around to those films.

>In any case, can someone clarify this for me.  And also, what solid or tenuous
>information exists on the plot structure of the first and last trilogies?

Information?  Plenty.  Solid information?  Not a heck of a lot.

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