HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: melindac@thedarktower.Corp.Sun.COM (Calling Dr. Nordstrom ...)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Chinese-cu = chinese culture paradox - a happy solution?
Date: 28 Aug 1992 19:13:18 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: thedarktower.corp.sun.com


	eln314m@monu1.cc.monash.edu.au (Ms ML Hong) :
	>     I therefore propose the usage of 
	>                      Chinese-fe = Chinese feudalism 
	> in the future when the need arises. The term Chinese-cu 
	> should only include people who enjoy Chinese art, music, 
	> festivals, celebrations, etc and do not believe in or condone 
	> Chinese feudalistic thoughts.
	> 
	> Mun Li

You've made some very good and valid points. I like your breakdown which
makes more sense than Dwight's.

	>
	> PS. For all the Chinese-cu's (an endearment this time) out on 
	> the net, have a nice Moon Cake Festival. It is only about 2 
	> week's away!

Oooooo feast time fooood food food and more food. Have you heard the
saying "The Japanese eat until they're full; the Chinese eat until
they're tired?" :^)  :^)  :^)

	Melinda
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: kahchan@banana.iss.nus.sg (low kah chan)
Subject: Re: Chinese-cu = chinese culture paradox - a happy solution?
Reply-To: kahchan@iss.nus.sg (low kah chan)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 01:56:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.224949.14425@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>
>Even some Chinese-cu who have received a college education support the
>use of nuclear weapons to crush Taiwan in the event that the Taiwanese
>declare independence.  A savage with a diploma is still a savage.
>
>Have a nice day.

It seems that Taiwanese Independence is your central concern.  I
consider myself a Chinese-cu but I don't buy the belief of all Chinese 
having to life under one Chinese govt.  I don't care about the political
configuration of China.  It might as well split into 10 different
countries and I couldn't care less.  Similarly Taiwan as far as I am
concerned IS a different country from China.  If discrediting Chinese
culture in general is a strategy for securing Taiwanese Indepedence then
you have erred badly because it only served to alienate Chinese-cu who
are not against Taiwanese Independence.
Just my thought...
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: djordan@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (David Jordan)
Subject: YONSEI University connection
Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:41:49 GMT

Does anyone on this group know if e-mail connection to Yonsei
University is possible?  My daughter is studying there and I would
like to be able to reach her via e-mail.

Thanks.

email me at  djordan@spartan.ac.Brocku.ca

Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:4079 soc.culture.asian.american:8673 soc.culture.asean:5863
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:45:06 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Aug29.175755.6384@eng.umd.edu> dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim) writes:
>In article <KYTAN.92Aug27113108@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com> kytan@mantra.fia.dmg.ml.com (Kok-Yong Tan) writes:
>>You might be interested to know that the Ching dynasty was Manchurian and was
>>never "Chinese" or "Han" per se.

Bullshit, Manchurian=Chinese, Manchurian<>Han
I'm part Manzhu and part Han and I'm sick of having outsiders (koreans in this
case) tell me Manchurians are not Chinese

>	Just out of curiosity, wasn't it Mongolian?

Well, depends on what you mean by Mongolian.. The initial Mongolians
were the Huns (Xong-Nu) but they were driven out of Mongolia after a series
of battles with the Han dynasty. The vacuum was later filled by the other
nearby barbarian tribes including some Manchus.. But, that was nearly 2000
years ago.. For the most part, it is safe to say that Mongols and Manchus
have not mixed since then

>	If it's so, is it true (Mongolian == Manchurian)?
>	Also, I thought China was composed of muti-race,
>	which include Manchurian, wasn't it?

Yes, China has 56 ethnic groups, but Han composes 94% of the total population
It is tempting to call Han THE Chinese, but its not correct

>	Or, is it just racial-discrimination from Han-race against
>	Manchurian?

Oh please.. Its true that China does not appreciate what the Qing
officials did, but does not extend it to its people.. Besides, its
almost impossible to find any pure-blood Manchurians today, except
in maybe some secluded villages in rural Manchuria..
BTW, most mixed Manchurian-Hans today choose to put "Manchurian" down
on official forms

>	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
>	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
>	dskim@eng.umd.edu	I don't speak for Sprint.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jsoh@eng.auburn.edu (Jongseok Oh)
Subject: Re: Pride and arroganceIn article 87385@netnews.upenn.edu,
Reply-To: jsoh@eng.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University Engineering
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 01:14:11 GMT

In article 87385@netnews.upenn.edu, morris@walet.physics.upenn.edu () writes:
> I think Mr.Park's article was a bit rude.
> 
> Please, does that mean I can generalise that Koreans are rude
> 
> when it comes to defending their Mother-land?
> 
> Morris
> 


Morris


 According to your comment, *fucking*, * dickhead* etc. from taiwaness first are very gentle and noble words. Right?.  Policitics is politics. Don't mess up polictics with
personal characters.  I am sick Taiwanese's personal attack and rude remarks to Koreans. 

J.S.Oh
From: An-Ly Yao <anlyyao@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Date: 25 Aug 92 15:57 PDT
Subject: Re: Korean diplomacy twds. China
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1473700028:cdp:1473700035:000:265
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!anlyyao    Aug 25 15:57:00 1992



Korea seemingly now wants to smoothen the situation a little bit with Taiwan.
In Seoul they announced, that - independent from the outcome of talks with
Taiwan - visitors from Taiwan would be offered non-visa entry to Korea. Nice
guesture.

Goetz
Seoul 1992/08/26

Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: phantom@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (James Choi)
Subject: Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 22:32:33 GMT

In article <1992Sep1.214055.14382@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee) writes:
>> > way than usual. The rear part of sneakers are always treaded flat
>> 		      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> How is this relevant? What significance does this have?
>> 
>
>It shows how sloppy the South Koreans are.

Correct.  Very good observation.  Anything else?

>\* Ter-Yuan Lee 

James Choi
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: shin@krusty.ee.udel.edu (Jeong-Gyun Shin)
Subject: Re: Freedom of Speech
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 14:59:28 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.022731.20269@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>Ms. Cheung.  If _you_ choose to make that assessment about all Stanford
>students, then I _support_ your _right_ so.  I would not agree with your
>assessment or even the premise of your assessment, but I _support_
>100% your _right_ to air your views.  We can all learn from views that,
>radical as they might be, differ from our own.
>
>I (1) would _not_ attack you personally, (2) would not harrass you personally,
>(3) would _not_ flood your e-mail box, (4) would _not_ maraude you from
>newsgroup to newsgroup, etc.

But shall spread bold lies in the net (since that is part of freedom of
speech?).
From: jc70@westend.VI.CMU.EDU (Joo C. Chung)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: All you d*ckhead friend-betraying Koreans!!!
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:49:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.Btp7tz.Hnv.2
Reply-To: jc70@norman.vi.ri.cmu.edu
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Aug24.230918.24991@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>  
tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee) writes:
> 
> In article <1992Aug24.061613.3246@ducvax.auburn.edu>,  
kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu (Han-jung Kim) writes:
> > 
[deleted stuff that I don't want to reply to]
> 
> Interesting enougn, you can find most Korean males are also heavy smokers.
> And one more thing, most of the male Koreans wear sneakers in a different
> way than usual. The rear part of sneakers are always treaded flat
		      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
How is this relevant? What significance does this have?

> 
> -- 
> /* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.          
*\
>  * Take care and have a nice day.                                             
*
> \* Ter-Yuan Lee                                                               
*/
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
From: s8923098@macnab.mqcs.mq.oz.au (Josef WIDJAJA)
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:40:15 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.225239.15189@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:

  ...
|
|I do not resemble Chinese-cu.  My position is clear.  I despise Chinese-cu
|and Nazi cultures; I cannot identify with barbaric cultures.  I support the
|political dissolution of China.  I say this openly.

You do resemble a Nazi. You support the distortion of history in Japanese
school textbooks. Need I say more?



--
 _________Josef Widjaja____________  
|  s8923098@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au  |
|  Macquarie University, Australia | 
|__________________________________| 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:3998 soc.culture.asian.american:8572 soc.culture.asean:5792
From: u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Everybody is a sexist (was Re: Chopstick-cu-ge-ci)
Date: 27 Aug 92 13:02:53 GMT

u907736@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Edmund Chia):
>
> Chinese values which puts 'sons' ahead of 'daughters' is sexist,
> and indirectly responsible for the infanticide but hardly unique.
> Western cultural values (specifically British values) also place
> the emphasis on male children, especially because of primogeniture
> (inheiritance through the eldest male).


(L)ady telling a (G)entleman in superfluous detail of the manifold 
achievements of her son.

	G:	And is this admirable young man your only son?

	L:	Oh no!  I also have a daughter.

She who sees no wrong with the above remark is a sexist.  It reflects
the manner in which outmoded traditions of thought interfere with an
understanding of the Universe as it is.


Explanation:

  In almost all pre-industrial societies, male infants were much more
  valuable than female infants.  Baby boys would grow into men and
  therefore presented, in potential, desperately needed help at the
  farm or in the army.  Baby girls merely grew into women who had to
  be married off at great expense.  Consequently, there was a great
  tendency to ignore daughters and to equate "child" with "son."

  This attitude lingers, even now, even though the owner of such an
  attitude may be unaware of it and would deny its existence heatedly
  if accused of harboring it.  So when the reader read the phrase
  "your only son" she honestly recognised no difference between that
  and "your only child."

And you, my dear reader, thought you were a liberated - dare I say
it - man.  Hah!


-Num
From: slzw0@cc.usu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Look !  Stupid Taiwanese !
Date: 28 Aug 92 23:53:31 MDT
Organization: Utah State University

txc6266@ultb.isc.rit.edu (T.X. Cheng ), Rochester Institute of Technology
writes:

>Dear Korean Airlines Pilots,
>Fly carefully, do not be shot down by anybody's missile AGAIN.
>R.O.C. Air Force
>(Just for entertainment)


Dear Taiwanese Fighter Plain Pilots:

We Korean Airlies have loaded air to air missle to shut down ROC fighter
plains around ROC cost.  GO AHEAD KIDS !  WE WILL MAKE OUR DAY !!  Our next
mission is blow up the tiny island that is attached at the end of PRC tail.

Korean Airlines Pilots
(This is not for just entertainment)

>From: shao@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SHAO CHUNG-SHANG), University of Colorado, Boulder[m
>Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 19:12:05 GMT

>maybe.  how about let roc government take over the korean embassy in
>taipei, and sell it to north korean as their trading center.

>cs shao.


Please do.  Why don't you just give it free to the North Korea?  We are
going to unify within next 5 years.  So, it dosen't make any different.



In article <1992Aug23.134049.8253@csd.brispoly.ac.uk> c_tsai@csd.brispoly.ac.uk
(C Tsai) writes:

>   In fact, we have been said Korea are our best friend before.....
>Do you think Korea is our best friends?????? I think it is 1992 best Jokes,
>because we know that Korea always is our economy enemy.... Why we want to
>said Korea is our friends....  In int	national trade.... Taiwan and always

>   To sum up, I don't think Korea is our friend.....( I mean Korea government
>and Korea companies, not Korea people.... ), Korea always is our economy
>enemy......


Do you guys think we are the economic enemy of yours ?   Sorry,  we have
never thought of it !   We have just treated you guys as little toy maker.


>Korea always still our enemy.......... Don't lie ourselves.......
>Because Korea always still our enemy.......... Don't lie ourselves.....
>gest that we call them 'enemies', when see them?

Right,  Kids should be educated not to speak a lie. We can see you are
getting mature.  But be aware of "enermy-phobia"   OK?


OPEN YOUR EYES STUPID TAIWANESE !!

LOOK AT THE REALITY !!   REALISE YOUR SITUATION !!
UNDERSTAND THE ICY INTERNATIONAL RELATIONSHIP AMONG THE COUNTRIES !!
AND THINK OVER WHAT YOU CAN DO !!
THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO MOVE EMOTIONALLY !!

This is not the game between person to person.   Don't point to ROK !
point yourself to fix your problem !   If you guys do not change you
guys attitude,  you will remain just tiny county forever.  Be a big
minded guy for your future.   Assume PRC is also part of yours and do
your best !!


C.S. Park





Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:4054 soc.culture.asian.american:8638 soc.culture.asean:5841
From: u3169709@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (Numero Uno)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: Everybody is a sexist (was Re: Chopstick-cu-ge-ci-fe)
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:05:56 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean

junglee@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Jung S. Lee):
>
> Why don't you post this to every newsgroup instead s.c.k and other
> asian newsgroups? Is it because YOU THINK Asian people do sexually
> discriminate women more often than western civilized gentlemen (vomit).

How to discriminate against women...

  A favourite means of bullying one's wife is to yank on the sticks of
  cane that the woman wear through her pierced ear lobes.  An irritated
  husband may yank so hard that the lobe is torn open.  Sometimes when
  a man suspect his wife of committing adultery, he may go further and
  chopped off both her ears.  Or chopped of a hunk of flesh out of his
  wife's arm with a machete.  A man expects his wife to serve him and
  his guests and to respond to all requests promptly and without protest.
  If a woman does not comply quickly enough, her husband may beat her
  with a piece of firewood, take a swing at her with his machete, or
  put a glowing stick of wood against her arm.  If he is really angry,
  a husband may shoot a barbed arrow into his wife's calf or buttock.

What I have presented above is the Yanomamo, a group of about 10,000
American Indian tribesmen who inhabit the Brazil/Venezuela border.
They are one of the most aggressive, warlike, and male-oriented
societies in the world.

So, how does the Yanomamo compares to the s.c.korean and other asian
cultures as represented by Jung S. Lee?


> If that wasn't your reason, perhaps you could find more adequate
> newsgroups to talk about.

Yeah, let's talk about that newsgroup alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork.


-Num
Xref: sparky soc.culture.korean:3826 soc.culture.asian.american:8364 soc.culture.asean:5647
From: joe@astro.as.utexas.edu (Joe Wang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean
Subject: Re: China/Chua, KhengHwa/Re: An open letter to Emperor Akihito of Japan
Date: 27 Aug 92 12:18:47 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean
Organization: McDonald Observatory, University of Texas @ Austin

In article <1992Aug26.044731.300@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> eoahmad@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg (Othman Ahmad) writes:
>he uses the term chinese-cu and I'm sure there are a lot of genetically pure
>chinese who do not behave like the chinese-cu

Tell me:

What exactly is a "genetically pure Chinese," 
I don't seem to know of any.
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Subject: Re: Look !  Stupid Taiwanese !!
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 92 19:37:43 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park


Does this article have to have this stupid subject line?
Or can the header be adjusted something relevant to the body?

Please....
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu	I don't speak for Sprint.
From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Pride and arrogance
Keywords: Korean and pride
Date: 29 Aug 92 18:06:18 GMT
Organization: Univ. of Maryland, College Park

In article <87385@netnews.upenn.edu> morris@walet.physics.upenn.edu writes:
>I think Mr.Park's article was a bit rude.

	Yes, it was; and the orig. article (Joke with KAL) was, too;
	plus, w/o doubt, the article saying "all you d*head Koreans.."
	was more than just rude.

	When I first saw the article of "all you d*head Koreans...",
	I was very close to answer with "all you d*head Chinese..."
	and I didn't because it's not true.

>Please, does that mean I can generalise that Koreans are rude
>when it comes to defending their Mother-land?

	I guess you know the answer by yourself.

	Les't say "Mr. Park is rude";
	then, Koreans are rude; then Orientals are rude;
	then Asians are rude; then Human-being is rude
	with your generalization?
-- 
	Daeshik Kim	H: (703)273-1517 O: (703) 689-5878
	/PN=Daeshik.Kim/O=SprintIntl/ADMD=Telemail/C=US/@Sprint.com
	dskim@eng.umd.edu	I don't speak for Sprint.
From: tylee@austin.ibm.com (Ter-Yuan Lee)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Historical perspectives on current situation
Date: 26 Aug 92 21:25:10 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: IBM Austin Advanced Workstation Division
Originator: tylee@leety.austin.ibm.com


In article <1992Aug24.181613.3839@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Sung Hyun Kim) writes:
> I heard couple months ago that NOW is the brightest moment ever in Korean
> history , especially in terms of relationship with China.
> After seeing many responses from Taiwanese people about diplomatic matters,
> I feel what I heard is right.

There is a same sort of feeling existing among the ROC nationals, too.
Such a relief to shake this kind of burden from the back. 

> 
> However all the Taiwanese people try to blame Mainland China or
> South Korea (btw, I don't like this term.), all are established nations in
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's what South Korea is. Well, is South Korea tried to blow up itself
like a frog to represent the whole Korean Peninsula. Dangerous thing to
do, indeed.
 
> I wonder what Taiwanese did toward US couple decades ago..(I bet there was
> a similar attitude).
>

Dream on. South Korea won't get as much as the USA from the ROC.

 
> BTW, I heard that now in the USA there are students from North Korea also..
> Indeed cold war is over..
>

The time for North Korea to be another China. Look on.
 
> 
> -- 
>  Sung Hyun Kim                                                         
>          kim_sh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu  // kim_sh@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu 
> Dept. of Economics, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD 21218               
> ..... graduate of Korea Institute of Technology.........                                 
-- 
/* The opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect those of IBM's.         *\
 * Take care and have a nice day.                                            *
\* Ter-Yuan Lee                                                              */
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Yongsup Park)
Subject: An alt.korean.text anyone ?
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 06:36:23 GMT

I remember there were some discussions about posting articles in Korean
language.  I don't remember the details about them but considering
there is a news group alt.chinese.text and fg. news groups, it may be
possible to create such a news group for Korean language as well.
It's also my understanding that creating alt. group need no official
process in USENET community.   After installing hanterm, nemacs and vi 
Korean patch(executible of SPARC available), I can read and write Korean 
texts as well as send and recieve Korean emails.  There is a versatile
code converter too, if the code converting is a problem.
Now what is the problem of creating a news group for posting in Korean ?
Can you in the know tell me ?

Thanks.
-- 
----
Yongsup Park                 / park@casbah.acns.nwu.edu / Why do I insist on
Physics and Astronomy Dept. / park@anmsd3.msd.anl.gov  / AT&T ?  Because they 
Northwestern University    / B40180@ANLCV1.BITNET     / hire physicists.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean