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From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: UPDATE ON ACK TOPICS
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:01:37 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Oct16.155106.6121@adx.adelphi.edu> dm6674f90@auvax1.adelphi.edu writes:
>	
>	OLD items :    1. Historical aspects of Kerala
>			  (written as Kerala's history in subject line)
>	 	       2. History of Malayalee people
>			  (written as Malayalee people in subject line)
>	 	       3. Origins of the Malayalam language
>			  (written as Malayalam Language in subject line)
>	 	       4. Economic activities in Kerala
>			  (written Economics in Kerala in subject line)
>	 	       5. Social activities,customs,welfare
>			  (written as Malayalee Society in subject line)
>	 	       6. Entertainment
>	 	       7. Religion in Kerala
>	 	       8. Education in Kerala
>	 	       9. Famous Malayalees (in India and abroad,dead or alive)
>			  (written as Famous Mallus in the subject line)
>		      10. Politics in Kerala
>		      11. Kerala in relation to India and the rest of the world
>			  (written as Kerala-India/Kerala-World in subject
>			  line)
>		      12. Future of Kerala
>	NEW addition: 13. Malayalee food

Looks like a good collection. 

While all of the topics mentioned in the article are very pertinent to
kerala, most, as JJ pointed out earlier, lack the fighting ingredient in
them. By keeping the topics in speicalized compartments and discussing
whether they are good or bad, we lose their presumed potential. A better
way would be to have articles posted in any topics relevant to kerala.
We can discuss at the time of posting whether a particular article is to
be welcomed or flamed. In that way the topics will be fresh and exciting
always.

What kind of articles should be welcome to ack? Ours is a small news
group. The views and opinions expressed here are read by only a few. Their
effect on the culture and people of kerala is almost zero. Many among
the few who read ack read it to find a friendly atmosphere and a feeling
of belonging to their culture. In this context, I think, any article
which denigrates kerala or its people should never be seriously
discussed. 

Other articles like stories, translation of malayalam stories, excerpts
from malayalam novels and other books, poems by our great poets and
original poems by netters in english or malayalam, articles from news
papers and magazines, especially from kalaakoumuDi, katda, vanitha,
manOrama etc; all these must be welcomed. Many of them would not produce
much feedback but, these would definitely add the homey feeling we need
in ack.

I am nostalgic.


Regards,

Mathai
From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Ideas for ACK
Date: 14 Oct 92 17:18:10 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Oct14.034847.29179@colorado.edu> manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu) writes:
>
>Imagine your beautiful (you wish! :)), newly wed bride coming into the
>bedroom saying,
>
>"chatta, palu" 

chatta = whip

If she brings whip and milk to the bedroom, I wonder what we should
expect there! 


Or, was it 'chatta' meaning lame?

Or, did you misspell 'chetta' meaning pauper?

Incredible tastes!


>
>I know what I would like to hear.. how about you?

>
>Njan

Mathai
From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Subject: Re: Bringing High-Tech to a village
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 00:36:49 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <1992Oct10.113723.8051@ac.dal.ca> indran@ac.dal.ca writes:

.
.
>
>Here are some questions,
>
> 1 How to get maximum benifits from $15000. Investing in 
>   USA ? investing in India ? What type of investiment ?
>  
>2 As Mr X. is not ready manage the project directly, what 
>administractive structure will be most efficient ?
>
>2 Where to start ?. How to proceed ?
>
>
>.........................................................
>
>Ravi
>

God!
All these look too high funda for me.

My head is spinning....


Mathai
From: jacobt@nynexst.com (Jacob Thomas)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Ego
Date: 16 Oct 92 20:44:02 GMT
Reply-To: jacobt@nynexst.com
Followup-To: The Malayali Ego
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc

Michael's story reminded me of the following incident.
	I was once returning to IITM after the Xmas holidays from Kozhikode where my parents were at that time. In the train compartment I met a young man who was working as a server in one of the IITM hostels. We started talking about IITM and this and that and I noticed that another man in the compartment was paying attention to us and our conversation. Of course, this young man was well dressed and could carry on a good conversation. The man turned to him and asked "IIT staff member aano?" to which he replied 







"athe". I pretended not to listen, and looked outside at the passing scenery.
	I've heard of other cases of  people working outside Kerala, whether they are in Bombay, Gulf, Canada, USA, etc., to misrepresent their occupation and status when they return to Kerala on vacations, especially when looking for a bride. I don't think this is a Malayali speciality, it is probably equally prevalent among many cultures.
	After all, isn't the human ego the bane of mankind?

---

Jacob Thomas                    Truth is a path less land
                                J. Krishnamurthi
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: rkumar@Cadence.COM (Ravikumar TR)
Subject: Re..Malayalees in IITs.
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 01:44:10 GMT

Hi!
   I am Ravi from Vengola (Near Perumbavoor,Aluva etc) currenly living in
Sunnyvale,CA. I remembered an interesting incident while reading the articles 
about IITs.

             Once my brother was telling  one of our school masters about
his admission in IIT Kanpur (My brother was really excited), master said  
" Everything is fine  but make sure that this institute is recognised by Kerala govt otherwise you will have problem in getting a Job here !!!.
 My brother tells me that he never talked  about his IIT admission after that.  
Ravi.
Newsgroups: alt.culture.tamil,alt.culture.karnataka
From: kamala@npac.syr.edu (Kamala Anupindi)
Subject: SPICMACAY Syracuse: Nadaswaram Recital on Oct. 23rd
Organization: Northeast Parallel Architectures Center at Syracuse University (NPAC)
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 92 10:36:58 EDT

                 The Society for the Promotion of
                Indian Classical Music And Culture
                   Amongst Youth (SPIC-MACAY)
                           SYRACUSE


                       Proudly Presents
               (as a part of their FALL-FEST '92)

                
                *************************************
                N A D A S W A R A M     R E C I T A L
                *************************************

                               BY

                   -----------------------------
                   M a m b a l a m     S h i v a 
                   -----------------------------

                               ON
                    Friday, October 23, 1992  

 
                               AT
                             7:00 pm
                        Marshall Auditorium
                     SUNY-ESF Campus, Syracuse

                -----------------------------------
                A D M I S S I O N   I S   F R E E ! 
                -----------------------------------

        
        For further information contact:
        Kamala Anupindi (kamala@top.cis.syr.edu) 474-8420
        Paramesh Santanam (psantana@cat.syr.edu) 428-9441
        L.Chandar (lchandar@rodan.acs.syr.edu)   423-3507


****************************************************************
                        Directions
****************************************************************

                (Marshall Auditorium, Marshall Hall
        SUNY Environmental Science and Forestry (ESF), Syracuse)

>From Points South:

1. I-81 North
2. Exit 18 (Adams Street)
3. From ramp, right on Adams St.
4. 2nd light, right on Irving Ave.
5. (About 4 blocks later) At end of Irving Ave., you'll see SUNY-ESF
   security booth.  Enter SUNY-ESF here.
6. After you pass Gate B of carrier dome on your left, take a right
   into ESF Parking lot.  Park here and walk to Marshall Hall.
   (Ask anyone around to identify the building.)

>From Points North:
(Also Thruway travelers from points East and West):

1. I-81 South
2. Exit 18 (for Adams St.)
3. At ramp, bear left.  You will be UNDER I-81, and traveling along
   its length.
4. 2nd light, left on Adams St.. Then follow steps 4-6 above.

****************************************************************
From: vishwa@beach.csulb.edu (Viswanath Nanjundiah)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
Subject: Music
Date: 15 Oct 92 23:55:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cal State Long Beach


Hi, Is there any particular group where Indian classical music is
discussed? Also can someone tell me of a good book on the history of
Kannda language ?        Thank you
From: raja@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Malur Ra Rajashekhar)
Subject: Re: Rajadhani Flag off postponed
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 00:03:58 GMT

In article 204, Hari Reddy writes :

  " Just read in an article in Times of India(Oct 3),It says
the train which was supposed to have been flagged off on Oct 3
has been postponed indefinately due to pressure from Jayalalita
who is supposed to have demanded that her state be provided better
facilities before Bangalore.It also adds that Kerala demanded that
the train be extended to Tiruvanathapuram and also that some
Kannada group in Delhi wanted it named Rajadhani Cauvery Express.

 Incidentally the trial route of this train has been thro Secundrabad
rather than MAdras. "

----- The train from Bangalore to New Delhi need not have to pass
      via Madras. The present Karnataka Express goes via Guntakal,
      Wadi, Daund, Manmad, Bhusaval, Bhopal, Jhansi, Agra. It caters
      mainly to the need to Karnataka and Maharashtra. 

      It follows this route because the main line from kazipet to
      Bhopal via Nagpur is very busy.

      As for Jayalalitha's demand, Madras has Grand Trunk Express and
      Tamil Nadu Express - Two trains per day.  Tamil Nadu Express is
      the KING of the North-South route. It has only five stops between
      New Delhi and Madras and covers the distance in about 33 hrs.

      Trivandrum has Kerala-Mangala Express running daily. Half the
      train starts from Trivandrum and the other half starts from
      Mangalore. Both of them join at Cochin/Palghat and become Kerala
      Mangala Express. The case for improvements to Trivandrum depends
      on traffik.

      Regarding the name, Rajadhani Cauvery sounds good but the other
      Rajadhanis don't have any such names.


Malur R Rajashekhar.
Visiting Scholar
The Johns Hopkins University
Baltimore, MD 21218
From: indran@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
Subject: Looking for Shankar Bhatt (UBC, Ocean Engg.)
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:56:32 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


I am trying to contact Shankar Bhatt (Ocean Engg., Univ of 
British Columbia, Canada) If anyone know the person please 
forward this message to him. 



Thanks in avance 

..Ravi
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
Subject: Rajadhani Flag off postponed
From: rthiagarajan@desire.wright.edu
Date: 7 Oct 92 23:13:33 EST
Organization: Wright State University 

Hi!
   Just read in an article in Times of India(Oct 3),It says
the train which was supposed to have been flagged off on Oct 3
has been postponed indefinately due to pressure from Jayalalita
who is supposed to have demanded that her state be provided better
facilities before Bangalore.It also adds that Kerala demanded that
the train be extended to Tiruvanathapuram and also that some
Kannada group in Delhi wanted it named Rajadhani Cauvery Express.

 Incidentally the trial route of this train has been thro Secundrabad
rather than MAdras.


What do U Think?


If Time permits,I will try to reproduce the whole article.But if somebody
has the spare time,Please do the needful.(Oct 3 TOI last page)


===========================================================================

G Hari K Reddy                                Standard Disclaimers apply
Wright State University
hreddy@valhalla.wright.edu
Dayton Ohio
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
From: kamala@npac.syr.edu (Kamala Anupindi)
Subject: Spicmacay Syracuse: Concert on Saturday Oct 10th : REPOST
Organization: Northeast Parallel Architectures Center at Syracuse University (NPAC)
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 11:18:35 EDT

                 The Society for the Promotion of
                Indian Classical Music And Culture
                   Amongst Youth (SPIC-MACAY)
                           SYRACUSE


                       Proudly Presents
               (as a part of their FALL-FEST '92)

		
                  Carnatic Vocal Recital By


            *****************************************
                S A V I T H R I    R A M A N A N D
            *****************************************

                        Accompanied by

                  Mysore Venkatesh  (Mridangam)
                   Mysore Satish     (Violin)


                             ON
                  Saturday, October 10, 1992  


                            AT
                          7:00 pm
                  Room 500, Hall of Languages
                Syracuse University, Syracuse.

               -----------------------------------
               A D M I S S I O N   I S   F R E E ! 
               -----------------------------------

        
        Details of our next event are as follows:
        *****************************************
 
        ------------------------------------------------------

        October 23rd: NADASAWARAM Recital (Mambalam Shiva and troupe)
                      7:00 pm, Marshall Auditorium, SUNY-ESF.

        ------------------------------------------------------


        For further information contact:
        Kamala Anupindi (kamala@top.cis.syr.edu) 474-8420
        Paramesh Santanam (psantana@cat.syr.edu) 428-9441
        L.Chandar (lchandar@rodan.acs.syr.edu)   423-3507


****************************************************************
                        Directions
****************************************************************

From 81 N

- Take exit 17
- Left at the stop sign at the end of the ramp
- Right at second light onto Salina street
- Right on second/third light onto East Colvin
        (there is a post-office on the left just before the turn)
- Left on the second light onto Comstock Ave
- Left on second light onto University Place
- Pass a guard booth and one stop sign 
- Just before a second stop sign Schine Students center
- Hall of Language's is opposite the Schine Center


From 81 S

- Take exit 17
- Right at end of ramp onto State Street
- Right at first light onto East Colvin
- Left on the second light onto Comstock Ave
- Left on second light onto University Place
- Pass a guard booth and one stop sign
- Just before a second stop sign Schine Students center
- Hall of Language's is opposite the Schine Center

===============================================================================
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
From: muddarm@surfs_up.OCE.ORST.EDU (Manjunath Muddarangegowda)
Subject: Re: No News is Bad news
Organization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:12:02 GMT

In article <2351@gandalf.intel.com> gna@vardhan.uucp (G N Ananda Vardhana) writes:
>Kannada Bandugalige Vandanegalu
>
>	Ee pathravannu yaradaru oodiyare amba samshya baruthide anage. Ee 
>	pathra vyvahara suruaada hostharalli swalpa birusagi vyavahara
>	saagithu. Nanthara khinisutha hoogide. Idu kannadigara durdeshye?
>	athava kannadigarella thamma thamma karyadalli nirataragi es 
>	karyabahira kelasavannu madalu hinjariyuthidareye?
>
>	Nannu sadaranavagi oota madutha ee kelsavannu maduthene. Hage kelsa
>	thappisida apavada nanna mele baruvudilla.
>
>	Aanadaru kadu harate hodedu ee pathra vyvahara anathadalli leena 
>	vagadanthe nodikolluvudu namma karthvya.
>
>	Nanu Mysoreinalli, JCE yalli 1980ralli nanna tanthrika padaviyannu
>	padede. Yaradaru nanna parichitaru ee vishwadalli eddare ootharisi.
>
>	Rashtra Kavi Kuvempu Madikeriya Raja Seatn gudde mele ninthu 
>	"Kannadigare banni ee nadannu katti, ondagi .."andu anatha vishwadedege
>	muka kottu ookara madia hage nanage anisuthide.
>
>	Oota ayithu anjalu kyiyalli motidare ee computer mylige aadithu.
>	Aadarinda innu nnna harate nillisi nale madyana othara nirikshisuthne.
>
>
>	aananda vardhana
>
>

Even though kannada was my first languauge throught my education, my mother tongue etc etc I had real tough time reading this letter.
Its impossible for me to write kannada in english!! I can and do write long long letters in kannada but impossible to write kannada in english
for me ,even few words. I really appreciate his patience and interest. 

Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
From: ravi@panini.eecs.umich.edu (C. V. Ravishankar)
Subject: Re: language again
Keywords: uu, uu, uu
Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 17:18:18 GMT

  In article <1992Oct6.225829.15800@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> raja@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Malur Ra Rajashekhar) writes:
  >
  >Tamil probably has not been affected by sanskrit. Is it poorer becuase
  >of not assimilating ?  

Tamil has been affected by Sanskrit too.  What sort of Tamil you speak
(Sanskritized or not) is a politically sensitive issue in certain circles.

  >Terming 'panini' as being responsible for the death of sanskrit is 
  >hard to take. Many  'natural language processing' and 'machine
  >translation' groups, I have seen, regard 'panini's framework' very
  >suitable for their work today. For that matter, your machine is
  >termed 'Panini' ! 
  >

My machine is called Panini because I named it so.

I believe you've missed my point entirely.  Panini was not responsible
for the demise of Sanskrit.  He was responsible for the first rigorous
grammar in the world anywhere, a monumental accomplishment (although
he refers to seven generations of grammarians before him), and one I
view as one of the great achievements of the human mind.  Why do you
suppose I named my machine after him?

However, he codified the *Sanskrit of his time* (and of before his
time).  He never intended that his work be adopted as the absolute
definition of the language for ever and evermore.

The responsibility for the demise of Sanskrit lies with those who took
his codification of a snapshot of Sanskrit *at his time*, and turned
it into the definition of what Sanskrit ought to be.  Any changes to
the language would automatically consitute "wrong" Sanskrit, fit only
to be frowned upon.  The language wasn't allowed flexibility to evolve.

In contrast, the Kannada of Pampa and Ranna is vastly different from
that of today, and their Kannada was probably vastly different from that
of some centuries earlier.  That's why we still speak "Kannada", though
Pampa and Ranna might barely recognize it as their language.

Linguistic purity, like racial purity, is a myth.  Languages survive
because they change.  Lack of change is a sure sign of morbidity.


-- C. V. Ravishankar
From: nagendra@wizard.cs.psu.edu (Chetana Nagendra)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
Subject: Indian Store in NY
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:30:37 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: /home/curly/nagendra/.organization

Hi,

Could someone please give me the telephone number of the
Indian Store in New York that sells Electrical goods that
can be used in India ?

Thanks in advance.

- Chetana

Email : nagendra@cs.psu.edu
From: indran@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka
Subject: Bringing high tech to a village
Date: 11 Oct 92 22:22:21 -0300
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I  observed that most of the netters have  strong views about 
each and every subject appearing on the net which sometimes 
results in small clashs. Well ! keep it up! 
But here is a case for the netters to express their view.
I am posting this for Mr. X, who wish to remain anonymous.
.........................................................


Mr. X planning to invest $15000  to prepare a village for high-tech jobs 
and eduicational oppertunities of the 21st century. 

The basic goal is to create  25 professionals, within next 25 
years, from each of the following fields
  Engineering(BE,ME+), Computer Science(BTech,MTech +), 
Medicin(MD+),  Scientific research(PhD+), 
Business managment (MBA+). More fields can be added to the list at any 
time.

A secondary goal is to increase the job oppertunities for the 
unemployed young people of the age group (15-30)
through short term training programs in computer 
programming, word processing/data base management and all related 
stuff, electronics...small-business managment etc.

Another goal is to give training for young generation for 
competitive exams (NCSERT,BSRB,JEE,...,GATE,UGC,CSIR,IAS).

Finally to increase the maths and english skill of the young 
generation.

(The method he wish to make the children attracted to the 
project is by offering weekly/monthly and annual competition 
with attractive prizes, not by force or punishments)
  

Though the village will be the centre of activities, 
maximum area and people will be covered by the project. 
The project is driven not by the capital but the by the 
profits from the capital investiment.
  

Here are some questions,

 1 How to get maximum benifits from $15000. Investing in 
   USA ? investing in India ? What type of investiment ?
  
2 As Mr X. is not ready manage the project directly, what 
administractive structure will be most efficient ?

3 Where to start ?. How to proceed ?


.........................................................

Ravi

Newsgroups: alt.culture.karnataka