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From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 17 Aug 92 00:26:10 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

ylu@bach.helios.nd.edu writes:

[* lots of stuff omitted to get to the main point *]

>I think the whole subject is very clear.

Of course you think that way. But have you considered that people
everywhere think the subject is very clear and they hold almost
totally diffierent views? 

I hate to have to point out the obvious but I think it goes
something like this. People in every country operate from a map of
the world which classifies things into 'good' and 'bad'. This is a
reasonable and effective way to go about living under particular
conditions. However, since social/economic/historical conditions are
country-by-country different huge problems arise when you put
somebody *else's* actions on your map of the world! 

  Country A                Country B

  action 1 = 'good' --?--> action 1 = 'bad'

  action 2 = 'bad'  <--?-- action 2 = 'good'

 
>The Japaness invaded China and killed millions. Some body has to take some
>responsibility. There are three options:
> 
>(1) Japaness's responsibility, then, they have to apology to China.,
>(2) Chinese's responsibility, 
>(3) Both Chinese and Japaness.

Such a short list! How about a couple of more:

 (4) Japanese remain silent, work like crazy, Japan lends China money,
     Chinese can't complain as they need the money/jobs more than they
     need the apology.

 (5) Chinese forget about the sins of the past, work like crazy,
     China become economically self-suffient, blow Japan out of the
     water by taking over the international banking system.

 (6) America changes its trading partners and begins to exclude
     Japan, Japan's market for making money to lend to China
     decreases, both Japan and China are left arguing about who
     was to blame for something that took place 50 years ago.
     America becomes an economic giant and sells *both* Japan
     and China the goods they are too busy fighting to make.

  .
  .
  .

 (n)

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: jefu@haas.berkeley.edu (Jeffrey Shapard)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: E-mail in Japan
Summary: Addenda to Dave McLane's reply
Keywords: email TWICS
Date: 21 Aug 92 16:48:11 GMT
Organization: Haas School of Business, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: haas.berkeley.edu

This is a follow-up to Dave McLane's informative response.

re: option 1 -- CompuServe

For that matter, any host site outside Japan that you can
get to via X.25 Public Data Network is part of this option.
This is most appropriate if you already have an account
there. For example, I believe The Web is in Toronto, and
that is a well-connected public access site, and a part of
the APC Network, including folks like Peacenet/IGC in the
US and Pegasus in Oz.


re: option 2 -- TWICS

The 15,000 signup/deposit is 5000 yen signup with the 10,000
yen deposit going towards your 3000 yen/mo subscription and
value-added service charges. I believe that TWICS is planning
to waive the deposit for folks who pay by credit card. TWICS
also offers special deals for people who live outside Japan.

TWICS subscribes directly to the KDD Labs InetClub, which is
a long-distance call out to Saitama. Therefore, the 45 yen
per 1K charge to cover that overhead. TWICS does not route
intl netmail through other sites in Japan.

TWICS also subscribes to the DASnet Connection, a message
forwarding service in the US, and this allows messages to
be exchanged with people on otherwise unconnected services,
such as SprintMail and DIALCOM and so on, as well as
gateways for fax, telex, and even postal mail. The charges
are higher via DASnet, but the connectivity is broader.

TWICS has direct links with a number of sites, such as The
Meta Network (tmn.com) and The WELL (well.sf.ca.us) in the
US and The London Caucus (xon.co.uk) in the UK, and these
links are cooperative, that is, freebies.

TWICS uses ANU NEWS for the system netnews reader, Caucus
for conferences local and distributed through a collaborative
network called Meta^Port (with TMN in the US and TLC in the
UK), and the PARTI conferencing system for the active
local community. Computer conferencing is a major activity
on TWICS.


re: option 4 -- joining Juicenet and KDD Labs InetClub

For intl netmail, you need to subscribe to InetClub via
KDD Labs, and charges vary according to how many people
are at your site. You also need to call their site
directly, unless you want to route through somebody else,
thereby making them subsidize your traffic, and they are
in Saitama. Long-distance phone tariffs within Japan are
not cheap, to put it mildly.


The real question is: What do you need in an email and
communications service? There is a wide variety of systems
with active local populations, but only a few that also
offer wider connectivity. And those vary in terms of how
active the local community is on those sites.

--jefu
-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=*^\
Jeffrey Shapard
   Connect-activist in transition...       tel: +1-510-527-8554
    <jefu@haas.berkeley.edu>               fax: +1-  --mada--
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 18 Aug 92 01:30:07 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Aug17.171821.560@merlin.hgc.edu> sala8864@hgc.edu (gustavo salas) writes:
>In article <Aug16.162535.34168@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura) writes:
>>
>>	OK, this is enough.  At this point, you seem to have lost your temper 
>>	and forgotten respectful way of addressing ANY people.  Probably this
>>	is why you did NOT sign your article, isn't it?
>>
>
>Yes, one must be polite in any circumstances and should not use any
>improper words to call other people. BUT, Mr. Nishimura, it is VERY diffcult
>thing to do to be calm when it comes to Japan, Japanase and what they did
>during the war and colonial time(I am a Korean myself). 
>Sure I bet you will be able to be calm and keep your temper, even if I
>kill your brother by cutting his head off, rape your mother, sell your 
>sisters to please our soldiers, take evrything you have leaving you starved
>to death. Sure, you will be calm, right?
>You have to understand our being emotinal and loosing our temper.
>
	Telling the truth, Mr. Salas (is this your name, right?), I would of 
	course loose my temper and would probably use dirty words if you ever
	do the things that Japanese Army did in the past to my family and to 
	my people.
	What I wanted to say was we have to think and consider where we are 
	posting these articles.  This is a public space where anyone can 
	express him/herself, of course.  But that *is* what we have to consider.	Readers of this net or this particular news group are not necesarily 
	all Japanese nor Chinese nor Korean.  I believe that nobody on this net
	wants to see these flaming and blaming keep going on.  Somebody beside
	us, who are blaming each other, might feel these activities disgusting.

	I don't want this.  I don't want anyone reading this group to feel that
	way.  Using polite words to whom you are writing to is at the same time
	behaving polite to someone else on the net.

	If we want to use dirty words, just use them and don't think of other
	net readers.  I should call this celf-centered and I DON'T want to do
	this myself.  If I want to use them, I would walk up to anyone I want to 	say these and say directly to them.  But not here.

	If somebody wants to call the Japanese "JAPS," send direct mails 
	directly ONLY to the Japanese.  Of course you can send one to me and 
	blame me for anything...   But I'm sorry, I don't know about what 
 	Japanese Army then did to many Asian countries as much as you many know,
	and I sincerely don't know what I can do for those blames.


						Tetsuya Nishimura
Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:7092 soc.culture.china:23534 soc.culture.hongkong:10023 soc.culture.taiwan:12199
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.hongkong,soc.culture.taiwan
Subject: Re: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Date: 21 Aug 92 11:09:25 GMT
Followup-To: soc.culture.japan
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

smittie@beach.csulb.edu (Smittie) writes:

>>The clever people are those, surely you are among them, who think
>>criticizing Japanese goverment unacceptable and hypocritical, and the one to
>>be blamed are the people who were once tortured.

>You, sir, should spend a little time READING what is posted here. I have posted
>a very clear and exact statement on what I think about the current issue. By
>your post above you have obviously not read it. I suspect that you only read
>and respond to those articles posted here which charge you emotionally. I have
>at no time said, implicitly or explicitly, nor do I believe that criticism of
>the Japanese government is "unacceptable" or "Hypocritical".

[* details omitted for the sake of brevity *]

>Were that you could dispense with the emotionalism, the racism, the overt
>hatred, and argue your case rationally and logically, I suspect that you would
>find a few willing to ally with your cause. At this juncture I suspect that
>most feel you have already exposed the irrational nature and behaviour to such
>an extent that none will be convinced. A pity that.

Well said. And yeah, a pity. 

But time is time, and energy is energy, and for me the time has come
to start only replying to those who are willing to discuss the
matter. And I believe the first step in a reply is, as you say, to
read what the other person has said and reply to that, not something
created by your own imagination. I can just hear it now, "You mean
what the Japanese did was my imagination! ! ! " ... again, misssing
the point <sigh>. 

I've never had a lot of sympathy for the no-apology position of
Japan and I still don't now, but I can sure understand why they
might chose to remain silent.... 

Dave

--
Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: tony2@prefect.uucp (21131-gozdz)
Subject: Re: Have some cash
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 18:32:24 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.222201.2021@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> asano@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (ASANO Yoshiteru) writes:
>Accepted no credit card?  Sounds very odd to me.  Today, almost any type of 
>business accepts visa or mastercard in Japan...  Was it really a 'business
>hotel'?  Wasn't it a 'love hotel'??
>Well, maybe your card wasn't international ...
>Anyway, I just felt odd, that's all...
>   y.a.
>
While I'm trying to appreciate your little joke, 
I'd like to assure you that
Hotel Sun (sometimes spelled San) Royal in Kawasaki is listed as 
a member of the Japan Business Hotels Association (or something 
like this, I don't have this info at home) on a legit list
obtained from the Japan Travel Bureau in Manhattan. And
my card was a Corp AmEx (don't leave home without it?).

In terms of live entertainment, the hotel didn't offer anything 
beyond Kirin beer from a vending machine at Y300 a pop.

BTW, it happened only once :-).

Tony
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: hank@westford.ccur.com (Hank Cohen)
Subject: Re: On Japanese apologies
Organization: Concurrent Nippon Corp. Tokyo  Japan.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 01:57:53 GMT

In article <2414@aegis.or.jp> davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane) writes:
>
>>In short I understand and even agree with Chinese protests of Japan's
>>consensureship of history. I question whether there can be any reasonable
>>outcome in the Chinese demand for an apology. I think it is largely
>>unreasonable for the Chinese to demand compensation, though my thoughts on that
>>could be swayed depending on whether Japan has paid any kind of compensation to
>>date.
>
>I agree on this as well. If there had been a long-standing demand
>for compensation, perhaps, but I don't know who is in a position to
>award such compensation nowadays. 
>
While I agree with Woodrow Wilson on the inadvisability of forcing the
looser in a war to pay reparations or indemnities and I don't want to
get involved in the basically emotional argumeent over regrets and
apologies I would like to point out that another class of claim
exists.  There are many hundreds or thousands of people in the lands
occupied by Japan during the war who provided goods or services under
contract to Japan.  This included people who had their property
commandeered.  They were paid in Japanese Military scrip.
These people, many of whom lost everything, don't seek compensation
for injuries but  rather payment for just debts incurred by the
Government of Japan.  They should be paid.
	The other group that does seem to have a justifiable claim to
compensation are those conscripts drafted into the Japanese Army from
Korea and Taiwan especially who have not recieved disability payments
for injuries recieved in the service of Japan.  It seems that if they
were good enough to bear arms for Japan that Japan should at least
have the decency to pay them the same disability pensions that they
paid to Japanese servicemen.  This also applies to the Korean slaves
that were injured in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Japanese civilians could
qualify for medical assistance but those slaves who were in Hiroshima
not even of their own accord could not.  This is a great shamethat the
Japanese Nation should be trying to expunge rather than ignoring it
and hoping that the victims will all soon die off.
	Bye the way Japan did pay compensation to the Dutch civilian
internees from Indonesia.  It wasn't a lot but they did make
compensation payments at least in that case.
-- 
Hank Cohen
Concurrent Nippon Corp.  	Shuwa yanagibashi Bldg. 5F
Yanagibashi 2-19-6 Taito-ku 	Tokyo 111, Japan
Denwa: 03-3864-5714 	Fax: 03-3864-0898
From: davidg@aegis.or.jp (Dave McLane)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: English Language Services in Japan (Osaka)i
Date: 14 Aug 92 08:10:10 GMT
Organization: Aegis Society, Kyoto Japan

brad@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Brad Saxton) writes:

>I will be travelling to Osaka, Japan in a couple of weeks and will be staying
>for up to 6 months. Since I'm a bit of a news junkie, and don't speak any
>Japanese yet, I would like to find some English language media services in
>Osaka. Anything will do: newspapers, private radio, BBC worldwide, CBC Overseas,
>etc. 

Can't help you with radio (people say they listed to BBC) and TV but
there are quite a few English papers (Japan Times, Daily Yomiuri,
Mainichi, Asahi) carried at many newstands. I would suggest going
to Kinokunia bookstore at Hankyu Umeda station: lots of stuff.

Hope that helps,

Dave

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Dave McLane 
JUNET: davidg@aegis.or.jp (ONLY within Japan: post otherwise)
Nagaokakyoshi, Kyoto Japan Tel: +81-75-951-1168 Fax: +81-75-957-1087
From: news@ducvax.auburn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Wanted Info: EPSON PRINTER COMPANY TEL # OR ADDRESS
Keywords: EPSON COMPANY
Date: 18 Aug 92 20:38:19 GMT
Organization: Auburn University, Auburn, AL


In article <kim.920818145738@magneto.physics.auburn.edu> news@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:

I did not give email address.

kim@magneto.physics.auburn.edu

>Two weeks ago my EPSON LQ 510 printer head lost one of the 24 pin.
>I disassemble the head and found one pin was broken.
>I called the nearest EPSON DELALER in south east USA and asked a replacement
>for a pin but they said they could not sell only one pin but only
>whole head and the cost was INCREDIBLELY $200.30- only just a head.
>(Remember that EPSON LQ 570 costs around $250.00 by mail in USA)
>Can you believe it? really rediculous!!.
>
>If anyone can give me any phone number of EPSON AFTER SERVICE CENTER located
>in Japan so that I can get the pin replacement, it will help me a lot.
>
>If you can give me the phone number, I will make international call to 
>Japan to get the pin. I believe that the cost will be still cheaper than 
>findign the pin in USA. 
>Please send email to me. Thank you
>
>I need only ONE HEAD PIN OF EPSON LQ 510 PRINTER for replacement.
>
>Thank you. 
Xref: sparky soc.culture.japan:7059 soc.culture.china:23499 soc.culture.korean:3746
From: 89p2820@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.korean
Subject: <None>
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:33:12 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

>>	So, we do have both sides of information in public, but unfortunately,
>>	this is rarely the case for school text books.  This IS the problem.
>>						Tetsuya Nishimura
> 
> Thank you for your cool-minded attitude again, Sir.
> I have thought that all the history books were censored by government and
> you enligntened me what is really happening in Japan.
> 
> From your saying, I hate the Japanese politicians and their wrong and narrow
> mind, and I wish you be the one of the future politicain so that the narrow
> and egg-head-like-Japanese politicians can drive Japan in the correct direction.Why does the man who want to censor the truth become a Japanese political
> leaders, although there exists a man such as you, Nishimura sang. 
> 
> So we the oppressed people see two folded voices, one from public and another
> from government. Sometimes they harmony in good tune and ultimately Japan
> get the benifit from stereo typed manner. Of course I like your thinking
> but since you are one of the learned and I believe the most of Japanese
> politicians have what the truth is and they are as samrt as you, why do
> they censor the history text book and teach their kids to tell a lie.
> The past history of WWII is too big and important to be ignored by Japan.
> I agree that all of the country have some type of censor ship but the
> topic is concerned as the world topic like the WWII, they should not
> hide the truth. 
> 
> To be a big brother country Japan government and all of the high-intelligent
> Japanese must teach their kids the truth, then Japna can be one of
> the really great nation who can get respect from all of the countries.
> But as long as Japanese government and their buracrat try to ingnore
> the past and misquid their new generations, Japanese will be remained as
> a just ECONOMICAL ANIMAL whihc has no SOUL and SPIRIT. 
> 
> Still hope all of the Japanese be like you and be brave to face
> their dark history.  
> 
>                                     Kim  from Korea.
> .
Well good point !!

Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
From: ntetsuya@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Nishimura)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Yakudoshi--Information Needed
Date: 23 Aug 92 16:36:20 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Aug23.065702.16119@news.Hawaii.Edu> sakata@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Henry Sakata) writes:
>
>Could someone please help me.  I've been invited to a 
>"Yakudoshi" in honor of a friend.  I am unfamiliar with the 
>customs of a yakudoshi.  As a guest, what is the customary 
>protocol?  Is bringing a gift normal, and what does one usually 
>give?


	The following article was copied without permission from;

		Honna, N. & Hoffer, B. (eds.). (1986). An English dictionary of
			Japanese culture. Tokyo: Yuhikaku Publishing Co. Ltd.

	From p.328
	Yakudoshi
		a critical age.  According to a Japanese popular belief, a 
		person is apt to fall ill or to experience other misfortunes
		at a certain age during his life span.  At what age a person is
		believed to encounter such lalamities varies regionally and 
		historically.  The common saying now is that men are doomed to
		enter a critical stage at age 42 and women at age 33.  The 
		popular belief in these particular ages as yakudoshimay be based		on the physical conditions of men and women in ancient times.
		It is also said that these two digits are phonetically unlucky
		numbers.  42 can be read as _shini_, homoponous with the word
		for death.  Likewise, 33 can be pronounced as _sanzan, 
		interpreted as meaning a miserable state.  Men and women of 
		those yakudoshi ages are supposed t invite relatives and 
		friends to a gorgeous dinner to implicitly ask them to shoulder
		the unlucky burden together.  They may also pray at temples and
		shrines for the ellimination of an evil spirit.  The year before		the yakudoshi is called _mae-yaku_ and precaution is called for.		Similarly, the year after is called _ato-yaku_ and prudence is
		advised.


	I have never been invited to this kind of thing before, but since you
	will be supposed to *share* the unlucky burden, I don't think you have
	to bring any particular gift unless it is just as an _omiyage_ for the
	family.

	This book has lots of information about Japanese culture in both English 	and Japanese.  So ALL the readers that are interested in Japanese 
	culture should buy one (so that the publisher is too happy to claim a
	copy right on this post  :-> ).

	Just for a reference.

					
					Tetsuya Nishimura


>
>As an American of Japanese descent, I suddenly feel an ignorance 
>for my heritage.  Therefore, could some enlightened soul please 
>impart their knowledge and wisdom in regards to yakudoshi 
>customs.  Please e-mail me direct or post to this newsgroup.
>
>Thank you, in advance.
>Henry Sakata
>Computer Specialist
From: mitch@lsil.com (Mitch Sako)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Have some cash
Date: 19 Aug 92 06:47:44 GMT
Reply-To: mitch@lsil.com
Organization: LSI Logic Corporation

In article 6417@usenet.ins.cwru.edu, cb522@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Cathy Atwood) writes:
>I certainly agree about having some yen cash.  Last year I 
>stayed for two weeks at the Shinjuku Park Hotel.  They did not
>accept VISA.  They did not accept traveler's checks *in yen*.
>They did have piles of cash in the register!  My friend bailed
>me out and paid the required advance.
>Awhile ago someone said that it is cheaper to take $ traveller's
>checks and convert when in Japan.  This may be so, but I have a
>different perspective.  I go for short visits, and need to know
>what my budget is.  Since the dollar/yen conversion can be
>volatile, I prefer to get yen cash and t.c. before leaving the
>United States, and know what I'll have available to spend.

I've been analyzing this situation myself and I doubt you could get a
favorable exchange rate in the US before going to Japan.  It's going to
be awfully expensive to by yen in the US (at least 4% more) than if you
bring $-T/C with you.  In general, do not bring cash $ and do not bring
yen-T/C and you will be fine.  

It is much cheaper to take $-T/C to Japan and change them at a major
bank into yen.  Regardless of how volitile the exchange rate might
be, it's not going to justify paying the extreme rates that you have
to here, unless you have a cheap exchange source, perhaps less than
2% vigorish would be acceptable.

Since you said that you are willing to use VISA card, then I assume
that you are not all that concerned about the volitility of the
exchange rate?

My advice is to buy $50 or $100 worth of yen here at whatever rate 
you can find and change your T/C in once you arrive in Japan.  You
can always bring back T/C and do whatever you want with them back
in the states.

I'm planning on going in November and I plan on taking T/C with
me.  My past experience has shown me that, short of using my VISA
card which charges no exchange premium, that $ T/C are the best.

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