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From: dmercer@oracle.com (David Mercer)
Subject: Re: Rules-question
Organization: Oracle Corp., Belmont CA
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 19:42:53 GMT
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In article <4334@svin09.info.win.tue.nl> yvesv@wsooti10.info.win.tue.nl (Yves v.d. Vijver) writes:
>I was watching the Bronco's - Redskins game on Screensport Europe on 
>tuesday night. The team that kicked-off hit the post and the ball
>fell in the N-zone. My question is: what happens if the ball had gone
>between the posts? Is it a fieldgoal ?

It's a touchback.  I had the pleasure of watching such an event happen
in the Patriots' 1988 season opener against the Jets.

---David B. Mercer
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From: floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Floyd Goodrich)
Subject: Re: So much for the best team in the NFL --- KC KiCks Eagles's ASS!
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:39:52 GMT

jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria) writes:


>Mr. Goodrich....I applauded the Eagles win on this game. So what?

You did more than applaud it, you praised and lauded their victory as
being a total and thorough domination and humiliation of a good team.  
And then you turned around and said it was not impressive.  What gives?  
I was asking for clarification because I saw inconsistencies..

>I was only giving credit where credit was due, for that particular
>Sunday game. Likewise, I also stated that even though the Eagles
>did win the game, they and Cunningham were suspect.

In that sense, we agree.  I don't think any team can currently maintain
the level of play over an entire season that the Eagles showed going 4-0.
Teams (Eagles included) can go on impressive streaks, where they totally
dominate everyone.  They can also suffer severe letdowns (Buffalo the 
past 2 weekends).

>Unfortuanatley, unlike you, I do not make it a habit to save all
>my posts/replies. However, it appears you do. If you were to then
>read ALL of my posts/replies on the Eagles, you will see a common thread.
>I.e., they and Cunninghman are pretenders. 'noug said.

Contrary to your perceptions, I don't save all your posts/replies.  Only
the truly obnoxious ones.  I was worried I was going to run out of disk
space for a while there.  But thankfully you seem to have curbed your penchant
for making such posts.  I am glad and urge you to keep the new leaf turned
over.  But you also have a tendency to contradict yourself in articles, and
I have a tendency to ask for clarification, OK?

>-- 
>  ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@sysengr.pacbell.com	--------	
>  Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest
>  of us could not succeed.  -   Mark Twain

Floyd Goodrich
floydg@oakhill.sps.mot.com
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From: bmw1@cec1.wustl.edu (Ben Weber)
Subject: Re: Eagles/Cowboys
Summary: Eagles win big!!!!
Keywords: Eagles, Cowboys, Aikman, Irving, Smith
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 06:02:41 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.131205.6976@exu.ericsson.se> lmcmasc@noah.ericsson.se (Mauro Schena) writes:
>Congratulations to the Eagles.  I predicted that Troy Aikman and Emmit
>Smith would have had a big game.  I guess I was wrong! I just think
>that Troy Aikman started the game trying to force plays that weren't
>there. The Cowboys are a young team and it showed towards the end of
>the game when they started to lose their cool. I hope that doesn't
>continue cause it's just bad sportmanship. You've got to take the good
>with the bad. The Cowboys now know how much more work needs to be done
>before they can be considered a super bowl contender. This post is just
>to congratulate all the Eagle fans out there. I just hope you don't get
>too cocky because there is always the rematch in Texas stadium.

long .sig removed :)

>Mauro.

This is what i like to see - a mature response to a trouncing...
Lets face it - the Eagles played much MUCH better than the 'pokes in the
second half.  The idiots who quote stats and say "Aikman got more yards than
Cunningham" and such are really just not facing the facts - 31-7 is a
big win.  Mauro (and I have noticed a coupla others like him) were honest
and admitted loss.  That is better than a bunch of woofing or whining, IMHO.

Allllriiiight... onto the game!!!

I don't have the scoresheet with me (in school in St Louis and don't have
a real paper like the Philly Inquirer :(  ), so am not gonna just run
over the game which most of us saw and can remember as well (if not better
with the help of a real sports section), so I won't go over the game.  
Suffice it to say that the Eagles D rocked, Walker surprised/impressed
me, and the rest of the team played great (not even Toast was that bad :/)
(kudoes to the Off. Line too).

TO ALL YOU COWBOYS WOOFERS -> :P!!!
aikman was proved to be somewhat (read: quite) less than a G-d
smith seemed to be controlled by the Gang Green
irving looked average...

Could someone plz post/mail me a comparison between:
Cunningham/Aikman
Walker/Smith
Barnett/Irving???

The poke-woofers who said that the latter of the three pairs ruled the world
will be proven QUITE wrong (even though Aikman did get some major yards in 1st 
half)

Finally, I think that eagles fans the world over can say with me:

WOOF!!!

- Ben

(also looking forward to the game in dallas)

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From: chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester)
Subject: Re: 49er/Patriots
Organization: Amgen
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:03:32 GMT

In article <1992Oct11.203251.15555@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com>, marshall@nebula.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Bob Marshall) writes:
> 
> Well, it wasn't as easy as it should have been, but the 49ers topped the
> Patriots 24-12 in a very ugly game. The 49ers failed to put New England
> away early, and then let them actually take the lead for the first time
> this season. Early in the fourth quarter the 49ers were in a lot of
> trouble, trailing 12-10. They got a big break when Young threw a floater
> out in the flat, and Maurice Hurst cut in front of Waters for a sure
> interception and TD, but he boxed the ball to the ground. Later on the
> same drive, the 49ers were facing third and five from about the 40.
> But Young scrambled for a big first down, and the 49ers moved on down
> the field for the go-ahead touchdown. From then on things returned to
> normal, with the Pats looking utterly helpless, and the 49ers hitting
> on all cylinders.
> 
> Looks like this "easy" part of the 49ers schedule is not going to be
> as easy as it appeared to be.
> 
> =============================================================================
> Bob Marshall                     \\     "It ain't age
> Lockheed Missiles & Space Co.     \\     That makes me look this way
> Sunnyvale, CA                      \\    It ain't the years, boys,
> marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com\\   It's the miles"
> "I tell the truth 'cept when I lie"  \\     - Chris LeDoux
> =============================================================================
> 

Unfortunately, the Niners have fallen into a "play to the level of your 
opponent" trap.  The last two weeks, it has nearly cost them the game.  I hope
they can get back on track in the coming weeks, before playing Philly.

Chris S.

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From: johndoe@squid.inmet (johndoe)
Subject: Re: John Elway's Comebacks.
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.
	<1992Oct7.031601.27844@PacBell.COM>
	<1992Oct7.173726.6687@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:35:28 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.173726.6687@vela.acs.oakland.edu> jggoslin@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Whiplash Smile) writes:
>And remember this... statistically, the Broncos DO NOT HAVE THE WORST SUPERBOWL
>RECORD!  The Minnesota Vikings do.  I'm not sure of the exact score, but they
>are also 0-4 and were outscored by more points and have never led a superbowl.
>So there.  "Take that to the bank"

being a big broncos fan, i hate to do this, but this is simply not the case!

sb iv	kc	23 minnesota	7	sb xii	dallas	27 denver 10
sb viii miami	24 minnesota	7	sb xxi  njgiants39 denver 20
sb ix	pitt	16 minnesota	6	sb xxii wash	42 denver 10
sb xi	oakland 32 minnesota   14	sb xxiv sf	55 denver 10

denver may have led two of these games, but that hardly matters...
"statistically".

statistically speaking, minnesota's record would seem superior.  their
loss margin's were  18, 17, 16, and 10.  compare that with denver's loss
margins, which were 45, 32, 19, and 17.  denver's defense gave up more
points in its last two super bowls than minnesota did in all four it played
in.  denver gave up more points to washington in one quarter than minnesota
did in any complete game.

>later...peace
>|		       jggoslin@vela.acs.oakland.edu       	        |

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From: killer@robin.cs.hut.fi (Kalle Kivimaa)
Subject: Re: Rules-question
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 22:43:17 GMT

In <ldqbbbINNntt@cronkite> andy@misha.Central.Sun.COM (Andy Knipp SE Andersen) writes:
>Sorry,  but it is true.  I have seen it happen in high school,  after a 

Well, then the HS didn't use (a variant of) NCAA rules.
In college you do not have any options after a fair catch, your only
choice is to snap the ball at the spot of the catch.
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From: GC.SUL@forsythe.stanford.edu (Sullivan)
Subject: Niners vs Failcons
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1992 18:53:21 GMT

This will be a big game for Niners.  Lots of bad blood between the
two teams.  Last years' games, though very heartbreaking for us
Niner fans were outstanding ball games featuring great plays, trash
talking, Hail Mary game winners, INTs, back to back kickoff returns
for TDs and tremendous games out of backup QBs (Tolliver and Bono.)

I think that we will get lots of points on the Failcons. This game
will be a telling test for Niner defense.  Chris Miller is
outstanding as well as the wide receivers and a great offensive
line.  I wonder if the Niners go nickel all the way.  The Niners
defensive line has to get upfield pressure against Miller to give
the young secondary a chance against very fast receivers.  I believe
they will send Walter or Romanowski  a lot.

Atlanta used to be my 2nd favorite team after the Niners, until they
picked up Glandville and Hammer showed up dancing on the sidelines.
Mckyer didn't help either, the popoff.

In SF we called him toast, though in reality he is a good cover guy.


Some questions for Atlanta fans:

Is it true that Atlanta writers and fans are now calling McKyer
Highway 22?  (the fastest route to a TD).

Were some of you old die-hard Atlanta fans disappointed to get
Glandville?

Is Kenn finally retired?

Is Tuggle 100%?  Outstanding football player. He's your defense.

What kind of dance does Hammer do when the Falcons lose?  or is he
dancing on the other sideline by then?  I wouldn't know because
you beat us TWICE last year - ouch - kept us out of big show.

The Niners by 14.  I feel sorry for the real football Atlanta fans
who have to sit next to a bunch of Elvis impersonators now.

Mike

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From: huesmann@wam.umd.edu (Joseph Edward Huesmann)
Subject: Re: Philly/Redskin matchup best of weekend
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 21:32:45 GMT

I'm a Redskins fan, but I can't believe the Vegas spread in the paper this
morning... Redskins by 2-1/2 ? Hmm...

Joe

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From: slucas@grant.ncd.com (Steve Lucas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: NFL picks for week 6
Date: 6 Oct 92 20:08:47 GMT
Organization: Network Computing Devices, Mt. View, CA, USA


	FAVORED		UNDERDOG	VEGAS 	MINE

	Miami		Atlanta		7.5	6

	Philadelphia	Kansas City	2	KC by 1
	
	NY Giants	Phoenix		8	2

	Pittsburgh	Cleveland	2.5	2	

	San Francisco	New England	17	20

	Dallas		Seattle		16.5	14

	Buffalo		LA Raiders	9	13

	Houston		Cincinnati	7.5	2

	NY Jets		Indianapolis	2.5	Ind by 2

	New Orleans	LA Rams		9.5	7


	Washington	Denver		8	6




	Computer average so far:	MINE	VEGAS
				WK1	77% 	63%
				WK2	78%	66%
				WK3	64%	43%
				WK4	91%	46%
				WK5	58%	42%
	
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From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Subject: All right, that's enough (Was Re: Gloria and killfiles)
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center
Date: 12 OCT 92 19:29:09    

From: heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM	)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Gloria and Kill files
Date: 12 OCT 92 19:01:29    
Organization:  University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center

In article <1992Oct12.214120.4738@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, sybesma@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Eric Sybesma) writes...

>	I'm not that experienced with this news-reader (I'm using
>rn).  Is there any way that I can have it search for articles posted
>by a particular user and just kill them.?   For instance,
>If a random message that was really snobbish and very egotistical was
>written by John Doe, or John Smith, or say, John Gloria, how could
>I have it Killed immediately so that I could read about football and
>not his ego?

All right, that's enough.  We veterans have put up with this rookie
non-sense long enough.  I don't believe for a minute that you really
want to know how to make a kill file.  (If you do, do the letters RTFM
mean anything to you?)

This newsgroup is for the discussion of professional football.  This 
newsgroup is *NOT* in existance for you geeks to feed your egos.  Did
it ever occur to you pinheads that you're never going to convince anyone
that they should agree with you with the way you're arguing?  YOU ARE
WASTING YOUR TIME AND TURNING REC.SPORT.FOOTBALL.PRO INTO A FLAME-FEST!

KNOCK IT OFF!!!!!!!!

Look, everytime you start writing a flame just say to yourself "He's 
(she's) not worth it."

>		Just a question,

A stupid one.

JGH







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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Re: NFL_1992 Scoreboard: Predictions for Week 7
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Distribution: world,local
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 15:37:49 GMT

f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) writes:
>Here are the computer program's Week 7 predictions.  All woofers please
>note the Eagles-Redskins prediction.

What about the Miami Dolphins woofers?  Are we to assume that your
program looked at the Pats-Fins games and dumped core with a high-pitched
shriek of "ZERO DIVIDE!!?"


--Gidi  (go macpherson)
From: johndoe@squid.inmet (johndoe)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Denver (and a Montana note)
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:57:21 GMT
Organization: Intermetrics, Inc.

In article <1992Oct13.174850.20621@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> blah@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (TWF) writes:

>Well, I don't like Elway, and I hate Washington, so you can be assured
>this is objective...
>
>I watched almost the entire Denver/Washington game last night, adn I
>cannot believe how bad Denver is.  Yes, their offensive line isn't
>good, but..
>
>where the hell are the receivers?  Elway had time to release before
>almost every sack, but no one was open?  Nothing against Mr. Sharpe,
>but throwing to the tight end almost exclusively doesn't seem like the
>Denver (and John Elway) offense that I'm used to seeing.  Any Denver
>fans/haters out there who can shed some insight on this?

first, vance johnson just came off of ir to start against kc last game.  he
did finish the game against kc with a great catch.  on a similar route
against wash last night, i saw him drop a ball that wasn't touched; it was a
tough play, and mayhew probably distracted him, but it's a catch 'the vance'
usually makes.

second, a couple of opinions:  broncos receivers are a small, not-so-speedy
group.  i think they look miniscule compared to the likes of the 49ers corps
of wrs, or the jets, or the eagles, or the bills, or even the redskins.  and
i think they have a lot less speed than the raiders, the bills, the oilers,
the dolphins, the lions, or the falcons.  the cowboys have a fantastic set
of receivers combining speed, hands, positioning, and size (even w/o ace
wright).  elway would make any average to betterthanaverage receiving corps
look awesome, never mind what he would do with a group like rice, taylor and
sherrard, or clayton, duper, and banks, or haynes, pritchard, and rison, or
clark, sanders, and monk; he has managed to make the set he has look better
than average for quite a while.  (and forgive me for leaving out the likes
the bills, oilers, raiders, jets, and even the patriots, whose receiving
corps i would rank as better than the broncos.)

given the inferior level of talent, plus a line that aspires in its loftiest
dreams to be labelled 'swiss cheese' someday, and an anemic running game
that leads to obvious passing situations all of the time, it is not a bit
surprising that great defenses (like those of the eagles, redskins) can shut
down the broncos for 60 minutes, and the pretty good defenses (like those of
the chiefs and raiders) can shut them down for 58 minutes.

shannon sharpe has been a bright spot for the broncos; he is a te/wr combo,
lining up in a variety of tight and slot positions.  he has been getting a
lot of passes from elway because johnson, jackson and arthur marshall are
running the longer routes, and elway doesn't have time most of the time to
find them.  he is left with dump off routes to sharpe (as the backs have
been kept in to help with the canyons left open in the offensive line.)

>Mark

-johndoe
From: satish@a.chem.upenn.edu (Satish Nair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: How to Beat Philly's Defense
Date: 8 Oct 92 19:05:56 GMT
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Okay, listen up closely boys.  Here's how that Philly Defense (scourge of
all quarterbacks) can be made a total non-factor in all their remaining
games:
		hire ROD RUST as the new bEagles defensive coordinator.

haw haw haw

satish nair

PS It only hurts when I laugh .. coz Rust is not a bad dream for GIANTS fans.
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From: rja@redwood26.cray.com (Russ Anderson)
Subject: Re: Eagles Report
Originator: rja@redwood26
Keywords: Kansas City 24, Philadelphia 17
Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!
Distribution: na
Date: 13 Oct 92 10:25:39 CDT


In jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:

> Running backs:  B-.  Herschel gained 89-yards on 19 carries mostly all
> in the first half.  Byars had a couple of good runs and caught 4 balls
> for 28-yards.  But on key third and fourth down situations they were
> stopped cold.  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Boy does this sound familiar (to a Vikings fan)...


-- 
Russ Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1992
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
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From: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Subject: Re: Dallas was beaten by bad luck, not the eagles!
Reply-To: jeffh@crchh317.BNR.CA (Jeff Hammond)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 13:02:01 GMT

In article <1atgirINN8qe@uwm.edu>, paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R
Krueger) writes:
|>>In article <6OCT199216262371@rigel.tamu.edu> c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu  writes:
|>>>
|>   <really ludicrous whining about the Cowboys' bad luck deleted>
|>
|>  

	Bad luck BULLPUCKY. Bad luck is when a meteor hit's your
car while missing the skyscraper you parked in front of. What I
saw was an aggressive mature Philly team beat a young lets-try-not-to-lose
Dallas team. All teams have to lose to learn how to win.
	Philly fan's. Good luck coming up because I sure hope your
still undefeated and we have 1 lose come Nov.
	Dallas fan's. This is a young team that come this far by learning
from their mistakes (coaching staff also). There is always next time.

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From: stan@vax135.att.com (Stan Ciesielski)
Subject: Allen Pinkett
Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 13:34:55 GMT
Keywords: status?

What is the status of Allen Pinkett?
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From: chriss@sam.amgen.com (Chris Silvester)
Subject: Re: Don't give up on the Bills.
Organization: Amgen
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 01:51:39 GMT

Can we give up on them now?  Now that a 1-4 Raider team thoroughly dominated
them in what you said would be a route in which the Bills would light up the
scoreboard?  3 points?

Thus woofed iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi):
> Maybe you'be had too much to drink picking the Bills to go 9-7.  You shouldn't
> drink and type.

Or maybe he knows something you don't...

> Denial is common amongst anti-Bills fans.  "Oh there not thaaaaaat goood.  Oh no
> they'll surely lose six consecutive games and then we can win the division..."
> Yeah Right, cut the BS.
> It appears to me you are in the denial stage right now.  I know of some places
> where you can get some good help.

Speaking of Denial...How will you deal with this loss?

> 
> On your point about the Raiders D.  They're ranked fifth--BIG DEAL?  There offense was ranked #2 (behind the Bills of course) at 400 yards a game!!!
> They aren't exactly the highest scoring team in the NFL (the Bills are heheheh).BTW, look what the Bills offense did against the last "superior" defense they
> played against (SF).

Since, as you said, you're a newcomer, here's some advice.  First, try hitting
the return key after 70 columns or so.  Makes your ramblings easier to read...
Second, this is just the sort of thing that happens when one woofs too much and
their team falls flat on it's face.  No mercy.  BTW, they got lucky against the
Niners...

Chris S.