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Subject: Re: Some thoughts on Arabic aphabet news reader
From: <AASSI@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Date: Saturday, 10 Oct 1992 11:38:55 EDT
 > <ld3jefINN418@spim.mti.sgi.com><1992Oct7.213504.13787@prism.poly.edu>
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center

Good news, maybe, to those who heard about MS. Arabic Windows and can't find a
copy.  It is available in the United States from

Glyth Systems
P.O.Box 134
Andover, MA
10810
Tel: (508) 470-1317

I personnaly don't have it but I heard on a node in Saudi Arabia that it comes
bundled with Arabic WORD (wordprocessor), Hijri and Western Calendard and suppo
rts latin and Arabic everything.

Yahya Lubnan
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From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Hassles at Beirut Airport
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:52:59 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct14.173947.5050@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>, rached@blanc.eng.ohio-state.edu (rached) writes:
|> In article <1992Oct14.033103.7150@njitgw.njit.edu> elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad) writes:
|> >
|> >Yep, my camera gear was too visible. (But to be honest I did bribe the
|> >guy less than $50). When the root is corrupt, everyone else gets corrupt.
|> >The funny part is that the guy travelling next to me with a South African
|> >passport was not asked a single question.
|> >
|> >Regards, Elie.
|> 
|> See Elie you were smuggling things in that you were not supposed to. If
|> you had paid the taxes on your camera and not bribed the guy you would
|> have benefited the system and eliminated another bribery, but for your
|> own comfort and to leave the airport early you had to cooperate in
|> bribing after all it is you who is doing the bribery he is only
|> accepting it ( not that he is not to blame).
|> 
|> rached

Well, I thought its up to the officers to enforce the system, otherwise
there is no system... So in a way I hate giving him money, as well as 
giving the system money.
But this is no big deal.
I'd give him 100$ next time if he'd do his job and take the Hafez Assad
posters off the walls. (I hope that they're not there anymore)
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: CLAO Oct. 10 1992
Date: 10 Oct 92 23:52:50 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.



CLAO Oct. 10, 1992
------------------

On Sunday Oct. 11, various US cities, including Washington DC will be
connected in a conference call with General Aoun at 2:30 PM Eastern 
time. To know about the location near you, you may call 202-686-4844.

Residents of beirut, Kesserwan, and Jbeil went on strike today to 
protest the Syrian-controlled by-election in Kesserwan to be held on Sunday.
Businesses and shops were shut down. Only pharmacies and bakeries remained
open.

About 7,000 soldiers were deployed around Kesserwan and the coastal 
road linking Beirut to the north. Ballot boxes were gathered at the 
municipal buildings in Jounieh for distribution to some 220 polling stations.

Those who boycotted the elections announced late on Friday the 
creation of the Lebanese Opposition Front. They called on all factions
to join their rank for the sake of "ensuring the right of people and 
achieving national reconciliation."

George Saadeh, who resigned as minister of Post and Telecommunications
in the Syrian-installed Solh cabinet in protest at the elections,
told the Financial Times of London on Oct. 8 that he regrets 
participating in the boycott. (F.T. Oct. 8)

It has been reported recently that Iranian-controlled Hezballah has 
increased its level of military sophistication in South Lebanon 
by acquiring and using Sagger missiles. (Israeli TV Network, Oct. 1 1992)

Palestinian Fatah official Sultan Abu-el-Aynayn accused the
Syrian-controlled Hrawi regime of sheltering Fatah-Revolutionary Coouncil,
which is led by Abu-Nidal. He also accused the regime of giving licenses
to 200 organization members to travel and carry weapons. In an 
interview with the French Press Agency, Abu-al-Aynayn revealed
that a camp for training members of the Abu-Nidal group has been set up
in the village of 'Alman in the Shouf region.

Walid Joumblatt told the daily al-Shark al-Awsat (Sept. 28) that the 
settlement of the Palestinians in Lebanon is taking place. He added
that he personally sees no sign that the palestinians will go anywhere
else. On the economic situation, Joumblatt stated that there is a 
general complaint in Lebanon that Syrian goods are flooding the country.
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From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Hassles at Beirut Airport
Organization: UiO
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 10:29:34 GMT

To speak of hasseling at the Beirut airport!

I could cry.

I only used Beirut airport once in my whole life. As long as boats go from
Cyprus, and as long as the Syrians are at the airport I will not use it.

I was lucky that the one time, Summer 1991, I did use Beirut airport that I did
not end up in Mazze!

why? because I got so angry when after all the hassel, by mostly Syrian
soldiers, but also one Lebanese seretee general, it was time to board.

The guy at the check inn told me that I had a "too heavy" carry on. Yes I had
my books in a carry on, since I had a back-pack and it weighed no more than 15
kilos. THe fellow that the desk told me it was OK, for him, but that "they" may
give me trouble below.

I have traveld very much, and everybody understands that students take books
with them and that they are heavy. So as long as the whole is within an
acceptable weight no one hassles, even if they check them for contents (not the
books, but the luguage.

I went down, confindent that "they" below would understand.

They did not! just as I was about to board, one Syrian from the occupying army,
told me that my carry-on was heavier than 5 kilos and that I would have to
leave it behind.

I tried to explain, but to no avail. He then said: you and your bag stay here!

I could not keep cool anymore. THese people occupy our country and they want to
interfere in every single aspect of our life. Tey should not be here to start
with! yet if he was afraid that I was trying to smugle somthing, he could have
asked to let me open my bag for him. NO! this was not his concern.

I got angry and insisted that both I and my bag were going aboard the plane.
and started speaking back to him in a loud voice, just as he did to me.

Whether it was God or whom I don't know, another Syrian occupying soldier told
him to leave me alone. Yet the first fellow did not want to let me go. They
started arguing together, and this was my way out.

after I got on the plane and thought about the event, I realized that I was
playing with my life.

No! Not as long as there is a Syrian soldier in Beirut, and as long as there
are other means to get to Lebanon, I will not use the Syrian occupied airport!


elie wardini
From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Hassles at Beirut Airport
Date: 14 Oct 92 22:05:22 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <1992Oct14.201834.24749@colorado.edu>, saouma@inglis.Colorado.EDU (SAOUMA VICTOR E) writes:
|> In reading Khaled's reply to Elie Wardini
|> with regard to the Airport Hassle, I could not but note the
|> difference in style and tone when those two compatriots
|> refer to each other.
|> 
|> A few minutes ago, Elie was extending his hand and arguing
|> very constructively. As to Khaled's position, .... Oh well each
|> one of us can decide as to how to qualify it!
|> 
|> Indeed there is a world of difference among us.
|> 

That's precisely why I did not bother replying back.
Elie.
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From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: Story
Organization: UiO
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 11:04:07 GMT

In article <dA7-8V-@engin.umich.edu> hani@licorice.engin.umich.edu (Hani
Abinassif) writes:
>
>In article <1992Oct13.192148.15699@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled
S. Soufi) writes:
>[.....]
>> ..................  I can't imagine how you could visualize that a
>> 'khodarji' would drop his Arabic someday and start yelling "cucumber"
>> and "squash" in, say, Phoenician.  I'd like to see you someday suggest
>> that to a 'khodarji' while he is holding that big knife they use to
>> cut bananas!
>
>Ouch!:-) I hate to be around when that happens!
>Your point is well made however.

What point? do you think that the Khidarji understands Classical Arabic?

Sometimes if we want to argue for the sake of argument, we will hurt each
other. THerefore I will stick to the point.

The point is not one of whether a Khidarji can understand or accept ideas
better or not better than an educated person (what is education any way?). It
is a matter of identity. Some Khidarjis are attahced to their Arabism, and will
defend Classical Arabic even if most of it eludes them. Some others are
attached to some other history and language, even if they do not understand it
as well as say Arabic!

Anyway, you would be surprised at what Khidarjis can achieve!


>-Hani


elie wardini
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 09:13:17 EDT
From: <AXS158@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: HELP! ARABIC SOFWARE NEEDED.

AS-SALEM ALEIKUM,
 PLEASE SEND ME ANY INFORMATION ON WHERE I CAN OBTAIN PROGRAMS ON AL-QUR'AN,
OR THE ARABIC LANGUAGE. I AM A NEW CONVERT. YOUR ASSISTANCE WOULD BE GREATLY
APPRECIATED.
SHUKRAN
MA-SALAMA
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From: 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu (Alexandre Khalil)
Subject: Re: English ? (Was Re: soc.culture.lebanon.dialect?)
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41A   
Organization: University of Houston-Downtown
X-Lunar-Date: 1 day, 7 hours, 36 minutes since the first quarter of the moon
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:22:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct6.221939.9032@PA.dec.com>, tabbara@3d.enet.dec.com writes...
> 
[...]
>AlphaLeb is cute, but does not really solve any problem as far as I can
>tell.

  You are right. 

  I am sure the real thing,Arabic script on the Net, will not be long to come

  In the mean time, we could have some fun with this cute thing.

>I don't really think it is a threat to the Arabic language or an attempt
>to create a Lebanese language. I think most sensible people would agree
>that what the Lebanese speak is Arabic (with a Lebanese dialect/accent)
>plus some uniquely local words mixed in. 

alla yesma@ minnak

>I think we've beat up on this topic enough...I don't really care what
>alphabet you use. But if you want people to read what you write,
>then do it in a way that requires the least amount of effort on their part.

Right

>Khaled Tabbara                    

alex
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: fahs@ecf.toronto.edu (FAHS Samir M)
Subject: Re: Power Plant
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 16:22:05 GMT

In article <1b1h9pINNu7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H. Harmanani) writes:
>
>hmm, Markaba is in the south no? Qar'aoun is in the Bekaa.  Isn't the
>plant supposed to be nearby at least?? That project (first time I hear
>about it) was never operational. 

Hmmmm, The power plant that Mazen refered to is actually called
the Markaba power plant, a.k.a Abd al-Al power plant. It is located
in the Qar'aoun in the western Bekaa. And if memory servs me right,
the naming was not in reference to the village of Markaba on the souther
border of Lebanon.

The project was never completed due to israel interventions and
ambitions in the waters of the Litani river.

And, yes it is not located in the israeli occupied area of the south. 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: e.d.wardini@easteur-orient.uio.no (Elie Dib Wardini) (Elie Dib Wardini)
Subject: Re: English ? (Was Re: soc.culture.lebanon.dialect?)
Organization: UiO
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 11:13:05 GMT

In article <7OCT199200153872@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu> 9999sc01@uhdvx3.dt.uh.edu
(Alexandre Khalil) writes:

>>"miss lola what time is with you because my stop watch"...
>> 
>>naji.
>
>alex "vous voulez de la neige" khalil -u Sahrijo
>

monsieur, il y a pas de plongeon, je suis plafonne!


elie wardini
From: fardoun_a@cubldr.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Syrian occupation of Lebanon
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:49:21 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

In article <Oct16.164236.53726@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) writes:
> In article <1992Oct15.232643.7366@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes:

  Basil made several points: Ihope I am stating them right
1- Maronite leader ship mistakes (inviting syria in) does not justify ours.
2- army is not independent, as well as the central bank.
3- Hrawi goes to syria to discuss with asad every simple appointement.

I agree with all of the above. However, that still does not mean syria is an
occupying state. just wait.

FOR US the army was never indepent, it always served people in power.  just a
little story: in early seventies: (I geuss in 1971), the isrealis bombed the
army headquarters in tyre area (Al-thakana). FOUR rsanking officers died, the
leader (I can not remeber the name, as usual he is not from the
south area) of the thakana was gambling in tyre what is known now as (Alisa
beach club). when a soldier came and told him the news, he shouted at him
saying:do not bother me now, do not you see that I am busy.  
this is your independent army. for me this is dependent army.

FYI, After the taif agreement, the hrawi goverment called every body in certain
age for the draft. some lebanese who qualify signed up. after couple of weeks
the draft was cancelled. no reasons were given. the lebanese news papers (most
of them) cited that most of the people who signed belong to a single sect.
that is garabage system. and it is not independent one.

the army never defended our people against any isreali attack.  
Army or no army same B.S. 
However, the lebanese army was very active:
1- to fight the sailors demonstrations in sida in 1974.
2- to bomb the palstinians camps by aeroplanes in 1973. (I know the PLO had
more than just mistakes and killed unjustly a lot and lot of lebanese).
3- the army was very active before 6th of february uprising in taking people
for no reasons to jail.
4- the army of AOUN and gemayel before him  was also very active in bombing 
most of areas of lebanon that their shells could reach. 

if that is independent army for me it is not.  so we never had an independent
army.

about hrawi going to syria, as a lebanese I do not like that and I am not proud
of that. However, it is because Hrawi is weak not because Assad is so strong. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)
Subject: Re: Syrian occupation of Lebanon
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 16:42:36 GMT
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University

In article <1992Oct15.232643.7366@m.cs.uiuc.edu>, soufi@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Khaled S. Soufi) writes:
|  In politics, as in every aspect
|> of life, there is a PRICE to pay for every mistake committed.  The
|> people who are paying the most are the ones who have made the mistake
|> of inviting Syria in the first place and who are now screaming the
|> loudest ('Darabni wa baka, Saba'ani wa shtaka'). 

I agree that the Christian leadership did make several mistakes
that may have led to this situation, but is that reason enough
for you to abdicate your right to live in an independent country
called Lebanon ?  An option here may be to merge with Syria,
but I, for one, would rather have Lebanon a separate country,
until we (I mean Arabs, in Lebanon and in Syria) get to 
a political maturity level that would lead to true democracy.

 If these people want
|> to go back to old Lebanon, I tell you right now, I'd prefer the
|> Syrians to suck our blood instead of it being sucked the old fashion
|> way. At least, everybody would be treated equally this way!  If on the
|> other hand, these people show a bona fide willingness to throw the old
|> Lebanese system in the trash where it belongs AND build mutual trusts
|> with the rest of the Lebanese, then and until then we could seriously
|> start talking about removing Assad's pictures from our airport.  These
|> people could start by joining the efforts in saving Lebanon (the
|> South) from the *uninvited* Israelis and their tools first.  I think
|> this would be *the* most, if not the only constructive step toward a
|> social trust among the different groups in Lebanon.
|> 
|> 
|> P.S. By 'people', I meant all those who were benefiting from the old
|> corrupt Lebanese system of government.
|> 
|> -- 
|> +-----------Khaled Soufi-------------+--------------------------+
|> |   Department of Computer Science   | email: soufi@cs.uiuc.edu |
|> | U. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | phone: (217)244-2274 (W) |
|> +------------------------------------+--------------------------+

Basil
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
From: nmouawad@waterloo.edu (Naji Mouawad)
Subject: Re: The "ploy" w-shu kamen ?
Organization: University of Waterloo
	<NMOUAWAD.92Oct6161306@neumann.waterloo.edu>
	<BvrI2p.Jvx@ecf.toronto.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 20:52:40 GMT



Hello Samir,

 Agreed. Let us put this issue aside and move on. We have talked
exchanged and tried as much as possible to keep a respectful tone. I
think we have succeeded in these ways.

 If I offended you or anyone else but my tone or by not listening
enough, please accept my apologies.

 As for Waterloo and Montreal, it is very thoughtful of you and I
really appreciate it ! (Mind you I wonder how you will be able to
drive the 600 kms separating Montreal and Toronto in 4 hours :)


 I am not going to Montreal for the comming week-ends however I will
be glad if you could give me a call when you are in Waterloo. Here are
my phone numbers:

 Office: 885-1211, ext 3378.
 Home:   725-7752.

And by the way this offer extends to each and every one of you who
might visit Waterloo in Ontario Canada.

Ahla w-sahla !

naji.
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From: haidar@ces.cwru.edu (H. Harmanani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Power Plant
Date: 8 Oct 1992 14:40:57 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science/CWRU
NNTP-Posting-Host: syntest.ces.cwru.edu

In article <1992Oct8.102708.11055@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> saghir@eecg.toronto.edu (Mazen Saghir) writes:

>The hydro-electric generating plant that you're referring to is the Markaba
>plant (also known as the Abdel-A'al plant in memory of the chief engineer
>from that family who perished on the site of the plant). I believe that it
>was designed and built in the late 1950's (or mid 1960's) as part of the
>"Green" project (or al mashrou' al akhdar in arabic) whereby water from the
>Litani river is used to irrigate the land in the western Beqaa valley and 
>(parts of?) the south. A dam was built (the Qar'aoun dam) as part of the
>project to generate hydro-electricity.

hmm, Markaba is in the south no? Qar'aoun is in the Bekaa.  Isn't the
plant supposed to be nearby at least?? That project (first time I hear
about it) was never operational.  The Southern areas (I believe) get
their share of electric power from the Jiye plant.  Again, I maybe
mistaken here.

>I do not believe that the hydro plant was ever used, or weather the plant
>was completed at all, but I might be wrong here.

>-- Mazen Saghir


-- 
H. Harmanani (haidar@alpha.ces.cwru.edu)
Dept. of Computer Engineering
Crawford Hall 215C
Case Western Reserve U
From: mackenzi@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Paul Mackenzie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Power Plant
Date: 8 Oct 92 13:33:37 GMT
Organization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines
Originator: mackenzi@davinci.mcrcim.mcgill.edu


I heard recently from a reliable source (whose shall remain nameless,
right Wassim?) that there is a large hydro-electric generating plant
in southern Lebanon but that it is presently in Israeli occupied
territory and therefore not functioning.

Does anyone have any more details about this, like its power output
capability, when it went off-line, etc. ?

Thanks,

Paul
From: elie@sensors.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Power Plant
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:07:19 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

I read some months ago a report about a power plant that is being used to 
redirect electricity to Syria. It was posted on Leb-Net, if anyone is 
interested I could dig it up from the archives.

Regards, Elie.

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From: iskandar@nynexst.com (Bassam Iskandar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Election news, anyone ?
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:35:53 GMT
Reply-To: iskandar@nynexst.com
Organization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc

Hi,

Does anyone know what the results of the last round of elections were ? I mean
the elections that were held in the christian areas. Any names of "winners" ?

Thanks for any info.

Bassam.


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From: elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.lebanon
Subject: Re: Hassles at Beirut Airport
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:31:03 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.

In article <19921013203446.ayman@eecs.umich.edu>, ayman@eecs.umich.edu writes:
|> In Article <1992Oct13.231032.3786@njitgw.njit.edu> "elie@hdtv.njit.edu (Elie I. Mourad)" says:
|> > Elie replies:
|> > 
|> > Yep, couldn't agree with you more. Make sure to slip that $50 note 
|> > next time to the customs officer at JFK. Tell him Elie sent you :-)
|> Did you pay $50 to the customs officer at the Beirut Airport last
|> time you were there?

Yep, my camera gear was too visible. (But to be honest I did bribe the
guy less than $50). When the root is corrupt, everyone else gets corrupt.
The funny part is that the guy travelling next to me with a South African
passport was not asked a single question.

Regards, Elie.
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