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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: INDY vs. IMSA : Unser, Jr.
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:14:14 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.214427.9843@wuecl.wustl.edu> gene@wucs1.wustl.edu (_Floor_) writes:
>  I'd be interested in hearing any comparisons/contrasts that Unser Jr.
>  made/drew between the two types of cars after driving at Portland. 
>  Has anyone heard anything from him?
>
Wait just a minute and I'll plug in the tape of my interview last
Thursday night with Al regarding this specific question (wish I really
could) :-)

A few things that pop quickly to mind (paraphrasing):

- Better brakes/aerodynamics are the reason for the GTPs to turn better
times than the Indys.  Using Portland as a comparison (with a new
configuration), Fitti sat on the pole with something like a 1:01 and
change.  Fangio's pole in the Toyota was, I believe 1:00.3.

- Al had 3 different tire compounds to choose from in the Intrepid.

- The Chevy/Intrepid was normally aspirated.

- GTPs are a greater strain on the driver.  More G-forces to contend
with, coupled with the heat buildup being in an enclosed cockpit.  Upon
taking the checkered flag at the end of the 2 hour race Sunday, MOST
drivers, both in P and L cars, all had their door propped open on the 
cool-down lap.  (Even at the end of the Supercar race late Sunday, temp.
in the 80s, Hans Stuck was pulling both his helmet and balaclava off
as he went thru Festival on the cool down)

bob



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From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Subject: Re: Sennas tactics at Hockenheim
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 18:31:48 GMT


Senna should have waived #5 by then not give him room to pass.
From: wilson@mailhost.aa.cad.slb.com (David Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Misc. Weekend Ramblings
Date: 24 Jul 92 16:28:53 GMT
Organization: Schlumberger CAD/CAM; Ann Arbor, Michigan (USA)

In article <1992Jul22.215414.6996@rdg.dec.com> winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes:
>
>But let's have it your way for a moment.  In that case, we have Michael
>overtaking a slower car (Rahal) on the racing surface, and going out of bounds
>(over the yellow line) to complete the pass.  That in itself is a rules
>infraction.
>

You blew it again.  Michael did not violate that rule either.  He put two
wheels over, which was legal.  Four over would have earned a stop-and-go.

Dave Wilson
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From: bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe)
Subject: Re: Portland, OR  Mailing List
Keywords: Spam, No PMS
Organization: nCUBE Computers, Beaverton, Oregon, U.S.A.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 18:23:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul31.172758.16637@reed.edu> bradley@reed.edu (Ben Bradley) writes:
>mainly intended for Portland-specific topics.  PMS (Prost/Mansell/Senna)
>arguments will not be tolerated, unless they're banging fenders
>in the "Festival" during a Conference small production race.
>
Or turning right in Street Stocks at the Portland Speedway during
Fast Fridays, or 4-wheel sliders thru the Olympic National Forest,
or laying it on their knees with OMRRA, or karting at Pat's Acres,
or burnouts at Woodburn or..........

-c'ball'-

From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 19:47:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Patrese at Hockenheim (SPOILERS)
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport

No one says you need to be running at the finish.  Some cars that were 
running were enough laps down that they could not unlap themselves, hence they
finish behind Patrese even though Patrese never crossed the line.

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From: j_manning@csc32.enet.dec.com (John Manning)
Subject: Re: Boo Boo Senna (German GP minor spoiler)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 23:55:54 GMT


In article <1992Jul27.174414.10884@rdg.dec.com>, winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes...
> 
>In article <1992Jul27.000949.24693@cc.uow.edu.au>,
>ddd@cc.uow.edu.au (David Dodds) writes:
>|>
> 
>DriverS??  Mansell ran away with the race and Senna never even got close to
>him.  We never got to see how Mansell behaved under pressure because he
>never was under any.
> 
>--PSW



Huh?

Mansell ran off the road trying to get around Senna.  Looked like pressure
to me...



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From: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Subject: German Grand Prix rebroadcast?
Reply-To: ah335@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard Banks)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 20:27:52 GMT


I missed the race on ESPN and the rebroadcast of it at 1:00pm today,
when will it be shown again?  I don't have a TV guide.

Thank you.
From: bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Andrew Henry)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Tyre Testing was Re: Mansell's handling problems ?
Date: 29 Jul 92 11:55:17 GMT
Organization: School of Biological Sciences, University of Bath, UK

In article <1992Jul28.230237.20974@bmerh85.bnr.ca> myhui@bnr.ca (Michael Hui) writes:
>In article <Jul28.180117.21398@engr.washington.edu> eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:
>I suppose, under the circumstances, they could not predict the amount
>of tire wear for a full length race in those very humid conditions on
>that very fast course. Next year will be worse then, since no one can
>test on track that's on the World Championship schedule once the season
>has started.

The Motoring News had said that there was a FOCA meeting last Saturday
where this was discussed.  A quote without permission:

  "... it seems highly likely that Silverstone, Imola and Magny-Cours 
   will be reinstated as circuits on which F1 teams may officially test 
   in 1993 ..."

			Andrew  Henry
Sempre  Gilles					bspahh@gdr.bath.ac.uk
From: t9014153@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Mansell's (new?) contract
Date: 28 Jul 92 16:50:21 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)


I'm not sure whether this is old news or not but here goes...
Mansell was apparently offered a two year contract with Williams (1993-94) but
will not sign it until he knows who his team mate will be and how the spare car
is to be allocated.  I hear what he wants is guaranteed number one status
within the team and priority usage of the spare.  Also he will not tolerate
Prost as a team mate!

Some background to this..
In 1989, whilst with Ferrari, Mansell was the number one driver with priority
over the spare car.  The arrival of Prost in 1990 meant that his number one
status within the team had to be shared with Prost and the spare would go to 
whoever needed it first.  Ferrari sugared this bitter pill by paying Mansell
more.

Mansell, in 1990, could not understand why Prost's car always seemed to be one
to finish (and often win) while his experienced problems....
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From: fowler@cvmmdl2.msstate.edu (Stephanie Fowler)
Subject: Re: NASCAR Pocono - DA vs DW
Organization: MSU College of VET MED
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 19:01:00 GMT


In article <92205.145303MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET>, <MREED@UCF1VM.BITNET> writes:
> 
>  After following this discussion that seems to involve 2
>  distinct opinions, that being DA did xxxxxx and DW did
>  xxxxxx. Is it possible that DA whom I admittedly do not
>  care for is no different from those 1000's of road going
>  morons we've all encountered at some time who think they
>  are the only car on the road/track that change lanes
>  right in front of you when your obviously moving much
>  faster than them (or just slam into the side of you in
>  my case).  These same people seem to think that mirrors
>  on cars are just for decoration, fixing hair, or checking
>  out the babe in the car behind you at a stop light.
> 
>                                  Mike
> 
> 

I just watched Bobby Allison's response to what transpired and am in complete 
disbelief.  How soon he forgets about incidents with Ernie Irvan and Kyle 
Petty earlier this season!!!  In my opinion the same thing happened at Pocono.
DA tried to block Kyle Petty at the finish line in the Winston just as he did
DW at Pocono.  So where does his father get off laying the blame on DW.  Darrell 
Waltrip has never been involved in an incident that warrents whats being 
dealt to him now.  Certainly DA would not have wanted such treatment if Irvan
had been injured at Michigan due to his lack of concern for the other
cars on the track.  Here's a thought,  what if it had been the King rather
than Ernie?(or anyone but "Swervin' Irvan")  Come on Davey, be man enough to 
quiet the storm.  At least confirm Neil Bonnet's statement that it was just
racing.  


Steph
From: rob@sbil.co.uk (Robert  Greenwood)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: McLaren Engines
Date: 28 Jul 92 08:55:02 GMT
Reply-To: rob@sbil.co.uk
Organization: Salomon Brothers, Ltd.

>In article <1992Jul21.072857.3973@neptune.inf.ethz.ch> marti@nugget.inf.ethz.ch
>(Robert Marti) writes:
>>In article <92202.155207JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu>, Jonathan Swaby <JFS10@psuvm.psu.edu
>>writes:
>>|> In article <l6luf4INNf4b@news.bbn.com>, tdonahue@BBN.COM (Tim Donahue) says:
>>|> 
>>|> >Rumors suggest that Honda may be opting out of F1.  [ ... ]
>>|> >Where might Ron find engines?  Here's some speculation:
>>Other scenarios which haven't been mentioned (I think) are:
>>
>>6. Renault
>
>>7. Porsche
>
>Toyota

I think someone alreay mentioned BMW, but reading the UK Sunday Times whilst waiting for German GP to start I notice that Peugeot are now getting mentioned for F1 engines.  Evidently Prost is trying to persuade them to get into F1 (gives him another way to monopolise an F1 team anyway).  They also mention some sort of split within the BMW board about whether or not to get back into F1. It seems that even if they do, it wouldn't be possible for a couple of years (but then, when were rumours ever reliable?).





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From: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith)
Subject: Re: ReL Senna and Me...
Reply-To: shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 22:09:02 +0000

rbanksjr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Richard E. Banks Jr.) writes..

>>shaman@cix.compulink.co.uk (Leo Smith) writes:
>>Nigel has obvious flaws: Senna's are not so obvious, but I think
>>getting yourself disliked intensely by your fellow drivers may turn
>>out to be a flaw in Senna that will cost him dear...Senna has never
>>as far as I can remember had a major bone breaking accident. Maybe
>>that is why he feels invunerable.
>
>

>Are you implying that Senna's tactics will lead other drivers to
>deliberately cause him harm on the race track?

No: I don't think so in quite those terms. I think that no driver is
so fast or so committed after a major accident: Or rather the feeling
of 'it can't happen to me' wears off: They look for the danger points
and avoid them Senna exploits that in other people: The instinctive
fear of the Big Smash. But one day Alesi or Schumacher is going to
see Senna in their mirrors and say to themselves 'F*** you asshole -
do you feel lucky today?' and just block him out in a major way - even
if it means a major accident. Prost virtually admitted that where
there was no real danger of injury, he felt no compunction about
taking them both off if he was ahead in the championship: I think
that both Alesi and Schumacher are both young enough and hard enough
and possibly inexperienced enough to simply not let Ayrton have his
way: All it takes is to let Senna come half-past - then match wheels
and move over once he's committed and - whhooops he's flying. I
wouldn't (given the enormous amounts of money flying around) even put
it past a back marker or two to 'accidentally' get in his way and
maybe get 'paid' for a 'test contract' at some later date
(imagination at full boost:-))

Seriously though - I think in the split second you have to react when
someone pisses you off, the difference between ('Oh - its Alain the
cheeky sod - I'll let him get away with that' and  'Up yours
Brazilian Turkey') might just be an accident or none. Only Ayrton
drives entirely with his head. Other drivers have emotions. If Ayrton
wishes to capitalise on that fact, then I say that that is a two
edged sword, that's all.




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From: GR743@uacsc2.albany.edu (Greg Rickes)
Subject: Re: F1: Honda
Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:02:20 EDT

>With the old man gone, the beancounters at Honda are redoing their sums, and
>the conclusions are perfectly predictable.  If we look at Honda's situation
>rationally, as opposed to looking at it as emotional racing fans, it's hard
>to argue that they're wrong.
>
>Dave Wilson
 
Following on Dave Wilson's theme, it just may be truism that once
you've won a championship, there's no reason for a car compnay
to stay in a series, because the odds are you're only going to
lose, and the other manufacturers can, and will, make a point
of it when they beat you. That seems to be the philosophy of
at least one German manufactuer, i.e. Mercedes. Will anyone
be surprised if Nissan, for example, decides to leave the
Camel series, having won three championships, but now
apparently falling behind. Ditto Jaguar, though they can't
point to a title winner. The amount of money they, Castrol,
and Bud have put into the effort over the last several years
must be quite impressive.
 
 
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From: lallo@stsci.edu (Matthew D. Lallo,622,4577)
Subject: Re: Senna to Ferrari
Reply-To: lallo@stsci.edu
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 20:44:53 GMT

In article 2238@aio.jsc.nasa.gov, schmitt@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Leonard Schmitt 283-4150) writes:

> The local Ferrari dealer told me Senna has signed with Ferrari for next year.
> 
> Leonard Schmitt



Ahh, finally a reliable source to settle this wild speculation...
A car salesman!

Matt 
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From: olin@cheme.tn.cornell.edu (Steve Thompson)
Subject: Re: Late to the track II - Hakkinen
Reply-To: olin@cheme.tn.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University School of Chemical Engineering
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 13:39:15 GMT

In article <mm7fmf@Unify.Com>, perry@Unify.Com (Perry Clarke) writes:
>I wonder if there is any truth to the rumor that the first thing the
>traffic cop who caught Senna doing 125 MPH was:
>
>  "Who do you think you are?  Nigel Mansel?"
>

Substitute your favorite driver! I believe, however, that there *is*
some truth to the rumor that Alain Prost was stopped for speeding
somewhere in France. The traffic cop said, "Who do you think you are?
Alain Prost?". He was supposedly suitably embarrsed when a driving
license was produced!

Steve

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From: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Chicane jumping
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:47:13 GMT
Reply-To: winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Nashua NH


In article <1992Jul28.124423.12528@phillip.edu.au>,
t9014143@phillip.edu.au writes:
|>
|>When Mansell went off after trying to pass Senna was it through a chicane or
|>just a cornered section of the track. If it was a chicane shouldn't he have
|>been disqualified as Senna was in Japan '90 after his shunt with Prost.

As I understand it, the stewards decided to let the Mansell shunt pass because
the maneuver clearly wasn't intentional and he didn't improve his position any.

--PSW
From: scdorcy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (JAMES DORCEY)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: wife shots (was Re: Toronto Indy Results, Points Standings--and CART-IMS agreement!)
Date: 21 Jul 92 21:00:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Jul21.163353.6246@rdg.dec.com>, winalski@adserv.enet.dec.com 
(Paul S. Winalski) writes...
> 
>In article <71166379711098@c00031-118dan.eos.ncsu.edu>,
>jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith) writes:
>|>
>|>Is it my imagination, or are there fewer wife shots lately?  I counted
>|>only one in the Toronto race--Mrs. Rahal was shown in closeup one time
>|>(though she also appeared among the pit crew in a few shots).
> 
>I noticed that, too.  Maybe Ohlmeyer is finally getting the message that we'd
>rather see more of the cars and less of the wives.

The other possibility is that the race was delay broadcast, making it 
easier to fit into a time slot (through editing).  Wife shots tend to be 
filler, hence the delayed broadcast may have eliminated them.

If the Marlboro 500 is shown live, expect the wife shots to be readily 
apparent again.  (Oops, I guess Michigan 500 is more politically correct.)

JD
From: poole@hpspkla.spk.hp.com (Gary R Poole)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: F-Ford carb problem
Date: 21 Jul 92 15:04:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpspkla.27140009
Organization: Hewlett Packard Company, Spokane, Wa.


Cherick,
My carb does have the float tubes shown in your diagram.  Perhaps I need to
check out the pickup location.  I suppose under hard braking they could just
be sucking air instead of fuel.

Thanks again, 
Gary
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From: fsp@westford.ccur.com (Fritz Pattison)
Subject: IMSA,  Hate to burst the bubble ...
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp. - Westford, Ma
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:54:44 GMT

	Not only are the IMSA boys beating, in some cases crushing
	last years CART records, but are beating this years records
	also, ie Portland.  At Laguna the top 3 cars topped the record,
	we will have to see in Oct. what the CART boys can do about
	that.  It would interesting to see after Mid-Ohio and
	R.A. which series has the most records.  The speed and 
	technology of the GTPs are seriously underrated.
	Its amazing lots of records with less than half the ego.;^)

Some of information was from IMSA.  International Motor Sports Association 

All Opinions Expressed are my OWN, they do not represent those of others.
ALL disclaimers apply ....
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From: rogersmf@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Mark Rogers)
Subject: Re: Mansell, Michael, . . . (German GP spoilers)
Organization: Cimtek
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:03:51 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.012654.1962@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> mchivers@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Michael Chivers) writes:
>>Senna demonstrated his superb driving abilities by holding off a charging
>>Patrese for several laps despite being on old tyres, and having very little
>>downforce dialled into the rear wing.  however Michael Schumacher was, in
>>my opinion, even more amazing!  Not only did he also complete the race on

Patrese's encounters with Schumacher and Senna were the highlights of the
race, I thought.  After Patrese had so much trouble getting around
Schumacher, it was inevitable that he'd have a tough time with Senna.  All
of it was fun to watch.

For the person who asked, Frank Williams' comment on Patrese's last-lap
spin was something on the order of, "He bloody well threw away 4 perfectly 
good points, didn't he?"

Does anyone have a schedule of the remaining F1 races?  The one I've got
still shows 7 races remaining: Hungary, Belgium, Italy, Portugal,
"Europe" (Jerez), Japan and Australia.  Evidently this is wrong.

Thanks...


-- 

Mark Rogers  (rogersmf@eplrx7.es.dupont.com)

"Glider pilots keep it up longer with no props."
From: TKPOWELL@bluemoon.profs.tek.com
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Whats Mario's excuse this time?
Date: 22 Jul 92 14:04:12 GMT


--for all those who seem to enjoy nitpicking about race car drivers
--peronalities.  IMO Michael Andretti is one of the most talented
--drivers running.  He is definitely headed for F1 where his aggressivenss
--will be a big plus.  I would be willing to bet that all the Cart drives
--have enormous respect for him.  I doubt they place much importance
--on his personality.  Polite drivers are losers.
--
--With respect to the pit incident, Michael was on the gas hard, like
--anyone else would be.  You get your fuel and tires and drop the
--hammer.  Rahal swung very wide forcing Michael to go for it or brake.
--Did I say brake...come on.. this is balls to the wall racing.
--
--As far as Mario goes..maybe age his catching up to him.  Maybe he
--misjudged the situation.  Maybe his brakes gave out.  Maybe Al Jr.
--braked sooner.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  I doubt seriously he punted
--Al on purpose.  If it was his fault and he doesn't apolgize, fine
--with me.  Some would, some wouldn't.  This is not a polite sport.
--This is balls to the wall bonzai stuff with heart rates of 180+ and
--adrenlin and split second reactions and huge stakes.  Allow people
--under these circumstances to have their faults.  Enjoy the incredible
--entertainment they provide us.  Take the personality shit to rec.soaps
-
---Terry

dougw@grebyn.com (Doug Worthington) writes
-Hey Terry, people and lives are at stake when racing gets above
-30 miles an hour.  It's people like you, and your approach to racing tht
-gets people hurt.  Michael and his currently inept father, have been in

Gee Doug, I didn't realize my influence.  I was putting shingles on my
roof on Sunday when Michael and Mario were endangering everyone's lives.
Lets see... maybe if I wish for an F-40 it will appear in my driveway.

-more problems over the years, that are their own fault, then anybody ele.

Do you have any statistics on this?

-If your race cars and you feel comfortable when somebody does something
-stupid next to you, and you say to yourself, "this is balls to the wall
-racing no problem" then you might not be around to see to many more
-races.  If you don't race then I wont take any of your comments
-seriously.

I raced enduro karts for 8 years.  Crashed a couple times but never
took anyone out.  Of course my mental powers are pretty impressive.

You know, I think the boys at CART are pretty smart guys who don't want
to get hurt.  They've got a pretty good idea of whats going on.
But hey, maybe you should contact them about slowing these damn
cars down and getting rid of the likes of Mario and Michael.  Sport
would be a damn sight safer.

--Terry