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From: klr@umbc.edu (Kurt Reisler)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: A "technical" question
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:19:40 -0500
Organization: Hadron.com in exile
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Out of curiosity, in a CLV format laser disk, does the laser track from
the inside out, or from the outside in?

Thanks in advance

-- 
                Kurt Reisler (UNISIG Chair, DECUS US Chapter)
		  Captain, UNISIG International Luge Team
		     Only a guest at klr@umbc4.umbc.edu
	     Are creative spellings like a patentable life form?
From: hal@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Hal Prentice)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Question about I, Claudius
Date: 21 Jan 93 15:26:02 GMT
Organization: Broadcasting Services, Michigan State University
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In article <1993Jan21.001059.14271@eecs.nwu.edu> kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman) writes:
>From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
>Subject: Re: Question about I, Claudius
>Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 00:10:59 GMT
>In article <hal.87.727454600@radio.wkar.msu.edu> hal@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Hal Prentice) writes:
>>I have the LD I, Claudius and it is the uncut version.  All the decadence, 
>>mayhem, and other goodies are intact.
>
>I am sorry, but you're wrong. Here's one way to tell. After Caligula kills his
>sister, he walks out of the room, Claudius looks in, and (in the uncut version)
>the door swings open and you get a quit look of her hanging there. On the LD,
>the scene fades out after Claudius looks in.
>
>Michael
>
>
>-- 
>Michael Kaufman | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on
> kaufman        | fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in
>  @eecs.nwu.edu | the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be
>                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty 

Not on mine.
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From: davidl@ssd.intel.com (David Levine)
Subject: Pink Panther LBX laserdisk -- trailer?
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division (SSD), Intel
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:11:50 GMT

I recently received the letterboxed laserdisk of"The Pink Panther" as a
present.  On the jacket it claimed to include the original theatrical
trailer, but I didn't see the trailer on the disk.  Is this an error in
the jacket copy, or did I manage to miss the trailer somehow?

- David D. Levine, Intel Supercomputer Systems Division == davidl@ssd.intel.com
  "Mind you, m00se bites Kan be pretty nasti..."
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From: kuchar@buast7.bu.edu (Tom Kuchar)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases,rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ***** THX Star Wars/Abyss LASER DISCS COMING!!! *****
Date: 24 Jan 93 20:53:28 GMT
Followup-To: rec.video.releases
Distribution: usa
Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA

In article <1jkdraINNk2h@hpfcbig.sde.hp.com> j_adams@fc.hp.com (John Adams) writes:
>
>I was under the impression that THX LaserDisc was, as is THX pro and
>home, a standard of quality and NOT a record/playback system.

That was my impression as well. Dolby surround has special
requirements, e.g. which frequency the surround channels roll off.  I
saw an article that did a frequency spectrum of Star Wars. The article
implicated that that Lucas was pumping sound in the surround channels
at frequencies not recommended by the Dolby standard.

For all we know, this THX LD may just be a marketing ploy rather than
anything strikingly different.

-- 
Tom Kuchar			  
kuchar@buast7.bu.edu		  -or-                      kuchar@plh.af.mil
Department of Astronomy                              Phillips Laboratory/GPOB
Boston Univerity		                                  Hanscom AFB
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases,rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin)
Subject: Re: ***** THX Star Wars/Abyss LASER DISCS COMING!!! *****
Organization: Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:53:22 GMT

In article <1993Jan19.165419.29554@ra.msstate.edu>, paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil) writes:
|> meg5184@hertz.njit.edu (Starman) writes:
|> >According to Billboard magazine, Lucasfilm/20th Century Fox (Fox Video)
|> >is releasing the following movies in THX Pro-Logic:
|> >
|> >Star Wars/Empire/Jedi Box Set:	This spring
|> >
|> >If there's anything I've been psyched for this year (besides Holy
|> >Grail), this is IT! These movies will have the THX logo on them and be
|> >the only movies remastered specifically for THX. The article also says
|> >that the movies will be completely compatable with other formats. I have
|> >Pro-Logic (non-THX) but I'm sure it'll sound AWESOME!
|> >
|> >Abyss/Star Wars party at my house! :)
|> >
|> >Side thread:
|> >	If Lucas was to release Star Wars with AT LEAST the Biggs scenes
|> >inserted, this seems to be the one and ONLY time it'll happen except for
|> >maybe the 20/25th anniversary.
|> >
|> >=============================== Mike Gaines ============================
|> 
|> So what if it is in THX.  Can you really tell the difference in THX
|> and Pro-Logic?  It is not like the difference between a tiny 3" speaker
|> in your TV and Pro-Logic or like the difference between P&S and Letterbox.
|> The only real thing that *will* make a big difference is if it is in
|> CAV instead of CLV.  Can you or anyone else answer that question?

The pre-release special of the Abyss ($89.99) that I mentioned in
an earlier post was unfortuntly a CLV disc. So this really may be
somewhat of a rip-off


Dan
From: klr@umbc.edu (Kurt Reisler)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: compleat tex avery #3
Date: 25 Jan 1993 21:53:11 -0500
Organization: Hadron.com in exile
Distribution: rec
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From your rather unenthusiastic review :-)  I would take it that you
feel this is worth adding to a collection?  Saw a few copies at the
local disc house over the weekend.  Guess they will have one less
tomorrow.

-- 
                Kurt Reisler (UNISIG Chair, DECUS US Chapter)
		  Captain, UNISIG International Luge Team
		     Only a guest at klr@umbc4.umbc.edu
	     Are creative spellings like a patentable life form?
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From: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce)
Subject: Re: LD of MODERN TIMES: TOC or not TOC
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 06:47:53 GMT

In article <fgr3t+m@rpi.edu> kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim) writes:
>In article <1993Jan28.054234.29194@uhura.neoucom.edu> wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu (William R. Cruce) writes:
>>The image is windowboxed so that nothing is lost on monitors with
>>overscanning.
>I thought old films were windowboxed because of the aspect ratio of 
>1.17:1.

I never heard of that.  Anyway1 MODERN TIMES is not so old, since it was
released in 1936 and while it had little talking it had sound effects,
synchronised music and voices where Chaplin thought them appropriate.
It was, so far as I know, shot in standard Academy Ratio of 1.37:1.
The windowboxed image is 1.33:1, i.e. exactly matching TV dimensions
but with a black (or gray) band around all sides so that the image is
just inside the 'safe title area' of a SMPTE or CRITERION chart.


-- 
Unauthorized duplication, etc. may result in civil liability, criminal pro-
secution, the wrath of the tall man or a bite from Ralph the Wonder Llama.
     William L.R. (Bill) Cruce       INTERNET: wlrc@uhura.neoucom.edu 
   Neurobiology Dept, NE Ohio U Coll of Med, POB 95, Rootstown, OH 44272 
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From: rcampb@cac.washington.edu (Russ Campbell )
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases,rec.arts.movies,rec.arts.sf.movies
Subject: Re: Highlander 3hr cut?
Date: 21 Jan 1993 15:24:14 GMT
Organization: UW Computing
Distribution: world
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In article <1993Jan19.170007.13475@siemens.com>, aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri) writes:
|> 
|> Kinda like the TV series, eh? 8^)

The TV series is pre-first movie, not post.  If it were post first movie
the main character of the series couldn't exist and have been visited by
Connor in the first episode.

-russ
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
From: kimp@rpi.edu (Phil Kim)
Subject: LDs with stupendous supplement
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:41:19 GMT

Laserdisc with [perhaps] the most complete supplement is The 
Criterion Collection's Raging Bull.  This 3 CAV-disc set not only 
features great video and audio quality, it contains 2nd analog track 
with comments by Martin Scorsese (director) and Thelma Schoonmaker 
(editor).  The supplement tracks include original trailer, 
photographs, shooting script, storyboards, picture-in-picture 
comparison of Jake La Motta and Robert De Niro, clips of films 
influenced Raging Bull, Jake La Motta's boxing career and career 
record, and film reviews (including 80's and 90's version of Siskel & 
Ebert).

Other title with great supplement is The Criterion Collection's 
North by Northwest (CAV).  While it doesn't have 2nd analog track 
with comments, the supplement tracks is stupendous.  It includes 
original trailer, storyboards, photographs, publicity stills, 
biography of Bernard Hermann (composer), interview with Hitchcock 
(explaining cropdusting sequence in detail), and picture-in-picture 
comparison of the actual film and the storyboards.  Outstanding!
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From: cjd@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Christopher Dean)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases,rec.arts.sf.starwars
Subject: Re: ***** THX Star Wars/Abyss LASER DISCS COMING!!! *****
Date: 22 Jan 93 01:20:01 GMT
Followup-To: rec.video.releases
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

>>The Abyss:	March 18th

Is this the Special Collector's Edition? I was hoping this would be out in Feb

-Kevin

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From: charlet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Charles E "Rick" Taylor IV)
Subject: Re: Very Basic Questions
Organization: Clemson University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:14:45 GMT

downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs) writes:

>>>8) Macrovision
>>
>>If I recall, it was/is a form of "copy protection" on some VHS video releases.
>>It was supposed to prevent you from copying the tape by (I think) putting 
>>flashin white rectangles in the very top of the screen up over the 
>>closed-caption code.  It doesn't have any effect on some VCR's, it seems.  
>>Mine will copy a Macrovision tape just fine. ;-)

>Lucky you. I have at least 3 MGM VHS tapes which I can't even _play_ because 
>of the tearing I get at the top of the screen (this is direct from the VCR 
>to the monitor; no copying or chaining through a second VCR involved). It 
>was one of the reasons (besides quality) I went to laserdisk.

Some are worse than others.  My grandparents have a VCR that will not play
Macrovision encoded originals at all - all the video does a "hard to 
starboard" ;-)  But if you're using a monitor even on a good VCR the picture
quality is noticably degraded.  If there's a space scene, for example, the 
screen will often appear to flash between dark grey and black - an aftereffect
of those little white rectangles?

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From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: A "technical" question
Date: 21 Jan 93 21:58:51 GMT
Distribution: na
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In <1jn0gsINN9va@umbc4.umbc.edu> klr@umbc.edu (Kurt Reisler) asks:
!Out of curiosity, in a CLV format laser disk, does the laser track from
!the inside out, or from the outside in?

Starts from the inside (by the label), like CDs and unlike most vinyl.

	/J
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
Date: Tuesday, 26 Jan 1993 17:32:07 PST
From: <WAUGH@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Jaws/Blues Brothers CAV

In article <memo.896278@cix.compulink.co.uk>, andre@cix.compulink.co.uk (Cygnus
Software Ltd) says:
>
>A local store which specialises in rare records and CDs recently started
>selling laserdiscs. They've not only been getting new releases, but also some
>older titles and second-hand discs. So, what can anyone tell me about 3-disc
>boxed CAV sets of Jaws and The Blues Brothers (NTSC)? They have one set of
>Jaws, and two of the Blue Brothers (one of which is still sealed). I've never
>seen any mention of them in any of my catalogues - are they just deleted
>titles, and if so are they collectible and/or is anyone interested in them?

About a billion years ago, when I bought my Pioneer LD-660, I also bought a
Disco-Vision CAV copy of "The Blues Brothers."  I have never seen another CAV
verion on this film anywhere.  Perhaps the sets you saw are newly released
disks as yet unseen by this unit.  Both are excellent films and worthwhile in
CAV mode.

BTW, the LD-660 is still going strong with what would have to be thousands of
hours on it (I bought it in the early '80s).  In those days there were no
stereo VCRs and if one wanted stereo film playback it was laser or nada.  Oh
yes, "The Blues Brothers" disk is still fine too.  I don't miss those crazy
swirling patterns the Disco-Vision disks had opening and closing each side
though, especially on a six-sided CAV set!

Brian
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From: rmf@bpdsun1.uucp (Rob Finley)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: HDTV LaserDiscs (was Re: ***** THX Star Wars/Abyss LASER DISCS)
Date: 27 Jan 93 02:38:30 GMT
Organization: Harris Allied Broadcast Div., Quincy, IL

In article <sePyXB1w163w@spec>  writes:
>Does anyone have any information on IF the manufacturers of
>LaserDisc technology plan on creating a high-resolution format for HDTV?
>Given the trend toward shrinking media, its possible that the laserdisc format
>could be abandoned for smaller discs (which currently are pretty poor).
>
>I would hope not... The laserdisc has the capability to handle HDTV much
>better than videotape, but it would be reassuring to hear some news that
>the powers that be plan to continue to support the format through the
>"next generation" of video technology.


1992 Las Vegas:  NAB broadcasters convention, the Digicipher HDTV system was
demonstrating a working 8mm VCR. They co-produced the prototype with Toshiba.  
The system appeared to be immune to the decay of small tape formats.  The
tape medium was evaporated metal.

The forefront of my mind is to get a working Monitor and VCR.  If
the VCR is technically feasable, then Laserdisks are assured (As a large
number of homes with laserdisk players have VCRs.)  I have a feeling that
they will also build digital codes into the standard that keep hdtv-ldisks
from being recorded.  If the data density is a problem, then laserdisks
may be delayed pending improvment in laser technology. 

The Digicipher VCR was almost cute.  It graced the cover of a US Video rag in the
past year.

If there is any image degradation with 8mm, I hope it comes in VHS flavor.     
B-)

Robert.
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From: aad@siemens.com (Anthony Datri)
Subject: Re: Laser rot on early 80's LD?
Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 02:42:04 GMT

>medium, say 3000 pounds at least. The thought of starting over in 10 - 15
>years' time is depressing.

In such a transition, though, just like in the LP->CD transition, *lots*
of titles won't show up on the new medium, and your investment will hardly
be in vain.

-- 

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From: TFS@ECL.PSU.EDU (Thomas F Starchville)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: JFK WS/CAV Release Date?
Date: 26 Jan 93 21:42:02 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Penn State Engineering Computer Lab
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Does anyone know the release date of JFK (WS/CAV)?  Thanks a bunch.
From: dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Australia/NZ stuff wanted
Keywords: uncut version of The Punisher, Romero etc.
Date: 26 Jan 93 01:27:31 GMT
Organization: InForm Group Ltd.

In article <1k0vhkINNisp@rs2.hrz.th-darmstadt.de>, zinn@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Michael Zinn) writes:
> 
> Hi there !
> 
> I dont want to bother You with the hundredth repetition of the censorship 
> lament. Only so much: It is very hard to get uncut versions on video tape 
> in Germany! Another problem is that in the US and many other countries NTSC 
> is used. 
> So if in Your country NTSC is the standard You probably cannot help me coz
> I am living on PAL.
> Hmm, to cut it short: You guys down there in Australia or New Zealand please
> help me by mailing or posting mail order addresses where to get uncut 
> releases of The Punisher, Dawn of the Dead, TCM 2, Bloodsucking Freaks and so
> on.
> ANY response will be highly appreciated ! Thanx !!
> 
>                                 Mike 

The UK is PAL system also... I don't know of anywhere here that supplies
such videos.

Mike

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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: compleat tex avery #1
Date: 25 Jan 93 11:46:29 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

OT>eric.walker@channel1.com writes that the Compleat Tex Avery set is
OT>expensive.  I'm sure it's been mentioned here before, but I couldn't
OT>find it, so I'll ask: how expensive, exactly?

It costs $100 for a set of five CLV discs.  There's a small four-page
supplement, too, but that's a throwaway item.  (But don't throw it
away!)
---
  SLMR 2.1a  I'm MAD as HELL and I'm not going to take it anymore!
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Channel 1 (R)   Cambridge, MA
From: u0f98@keele.ac.uk (DJ Robinson)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: Why is "Tron" so hard to find?
Date: 25 Jan 93 20:17:58 GMT
Organization: Keele University, England
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Henrik Sahlholt (bfn - 2/93) (indiv35@imsor.dth.dk) wrote:
: Hi all,
: 
: A friend of mine is looking for a VHS (PAL) cassette of "Tron", the 1982
: sci-fi flick. We rented this a couple of years ago so its definetely available
: on video, but when my friend went to the video-store the other day, they said
: that this movie could not be ordered anymore. Several other stores said the
: same thing. I noticed that it isnt on the LBX list of PAL-VHS cassettes posted
: a couple of weeks ago.
: 
: So what's the story: Is this movie currently on general release or what?
: 
It's only available in the UK on video as a crappy P&S tape because they
are all so old. If only someone could issue a cleaned-up WS version on
video I'd be first in the queue!
	Dominator
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Subject: Re: Has the The Prisoner ever been released on LD ?
From: vita@dab.ge.com (Mark Vita)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 17:33:10 GMT
Reply-To: vita@sunny.dab.ge.com
Followup-To: peterli@library.welch.jhu.edu
Organization: GE Simulation & Control Systems

Yes, Image put out all 17 episodes on disc, but they are out of print and
are becoming difficult to find (you need to rummage through cut-out bins
and so forth).  Image has apparently lost the rights to the series, so it's
unclear when we'll see the episodes reissued on disc.  There have been
rumors about an upcoming Japanese import containing all of the episodes in
a boxed set...

--
Mark Vita                                  vita@sunny.dab.ge.com
Advanced Engineering
GE Simulation and Control Systems
Daytona Beach, FL
From: lsi@access.digex.com (Charlie Ellis / Library Services)
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases
Subject: 3 STOOGES SHOOT JFK (now on video)
Date: 23 Jan 1993 05:44:42 GMT
Organization: CDE Productions
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.com

	Yes, back in 1981, I intercut public domain stooges footage
with Kennedy assassination news footage. The result is a stunner called
SINGLE GUN THEORY.

	For a while I sold prints through the film underground. Now,
there's home video! So here I am again.

	I suggest you tell unsuspecting friends and victims that you 
are going to show them a very short stooges blooper reel. That way
you don't tip the gag. Watch your friends lose it. Facades drop
momentarily. You are forced to run it again.

	To add value to the film (it is very short) I sell personally 
inscribed copies, authenticating them and making each copy unique.

	Support your local underground filmmaker. Be the first on
your block... Copies are $15 postpaid from:
		CDE Productions
		PO Box 41437
		Baltimore, MD 21209

Charlie Ellis
lsi@access.digex.com
>>>I guess since there are three of them, it proves conspiracy, eh?<<<
Single Gun Theory FAQ: It's a Curly, not a Shemp.
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From: baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu (Dan "Viper" Baldwin)
Subject: Southern Comfort LD ?
Organization: Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:10:10 GMT

 I am having trouble finding the LD of the movie Southern Comfort,starring
Powers Boothe,Keith Carradine and Fred Ward--Louisiana National Guardsmen
get into trouble with Cajuns in the LA swamps-- I know that several years
ago I rented this disc but it seems currently unavailable--Anyone
know anything about this ?

Thanks,
Dan Baldwin  baldwin@frodo.colorado.edu
Newsgroups: rec.video.releases,rec.arts.sf.starwars
From: mce@tc.fluke.COM (Brian McElhinney)
Subject: Re: ***** THX Star Wars/Abyss LASER DISCS COMING!!! *****
Organization: Software of the Mist
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 23:23:58 GMT

paul@pj.tmc.edu (Thorongil) writes:

>The point still is this.  If you walked into a room with one of these
>fancy setups, could *you* tell which setup it was after watching the
>movie?  I doubt it because the difference between the two is so small.

Would you expect to pitch a winning baseball game just because you
can throw a rock into a pond?  I doubt it.

But for some reason, ordinary, intelligent people, jump forward to
make similar statements when it comes to audio quality.  Hearing, like
vision, varies with the individual.  More importantly, if you've never
trained your ear, you shouldn't expect to hear accurately.

Musicians, so-called "golden ears", and others, have a level of talent
that you may not share.  But mostly they have worked at it, for the
sheer joy of it!

So does THX matter to you?  That depends.  Do you think the Mona Lisa
is a great work of art?  Does it matter to you that others do?  THX is
the same kind of question.  A few people may buy into THX because
"they have too much money."  But I'd bet most people honestly feel it
sounds *that* good.
 
 
Brian McElhinney	"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be
mce@tc.fluke.com	seriously considered as a means of communication.
			The device is inherently of no value to us."
						Western Union memo, 1877
From: evan@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Evan Whitney)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 20:18:01 GMT
Subject: Rocky Horror LD: Poor audio
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA