HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: kvc@summer.innosoft.com (Kevin V. Carosso)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.pmdf
Subject: RE: WP Office to Internet via X400/PMDF
Date: 29 Jul 92 07:40:01 GMT
Organization: The Internet
Return-Path: <epmdf@YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU>
Resent-Date: 28 Jul 1992 23:40:01 -0800 (PST)
Resent-From: epmdf@YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU
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X-Vms-To: IN%"gcprtck@state.systems.sa.gov.au"
X-Vms-Cc: info-pmdf
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> We would like to send mail from WordPerfect Office using the X400 connection
> to and from Internet using PMDF directly. IS THERE A WAY TO DO THIS?

If you have PMDF-MR as your PMDF to Message Router gateway, and DEC's MRX
for your Message Router to X.400, you can certainly get mail between the
Internet and X.400.  The problem you will run into is DEC's requirement that
every MRX user be registered in the DDS.  This is, of course, ridiculuous when
anyone on the Internet is a potential user of your gateway.  There is currently
no great solution to the DDS registration requirement, but we are working on
several options.

We've announced our intent to provide a more direct PMDF-X400 solution.  That
may also provide enhanced support for MRX that bypasses the registration
requirement (we know how to do it, no promises yet).  We are not currently
shipping a direct PMDF to X.400 gateway.  Until we do there are things you
can do with the addressing channel that might allow you to embed addresses
inside a message and have the envelope To: always be a special static address
(that of the addressing channel, of course) that you register.  A hack, but
it can and is done.

Let me repeat that it isn't our fault. DEC's MRX is the one with the stupid
requirement that everyone be registered.  We understand why they require it
(because their own gateways and user agents are not capable using all of
Message Router's addressing capabilities) but we don't like the fact that
they hamstring good, full-function Message Router gateways like ours simply
because some of their designers didn't do their homework.

As long as your follow the requirement to register, then PMDF-MR provides
an X.400 to Internet gateway right now.

You might also look at something other than X.400 and MRX.  Most PC LAN Mail
systems provide SMTP gateways.  That would be the most straightforward
and easiest solution.  Since you have PMDF and PMDF-MR, you can go SMTP
straight into your A1 environment just like any other SMTP mail does now.

PMDF V4.1 provides support for cc:MAIL now, and we plan to provide MHS
support shortly.  Either of those are popular in the PC world and a
gateway between WordPerfect and one of those might be available.

Finally, you could put WordPerfect Office mail on VMS.  We have sites going
from that to/from PMDF all on VMS.  Once into PMDF, of course, you can get
it through PMDF-MR and into A1.

	/Kevin Carosso
 	 Innosoft
From: smith%nyumed.bitnet@ymir.claremont.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.pmdf
Subject: RE: Request for minor changes to installation procedure
Date: 23 Jul 92 00:43:00 GMT
Organization: NYU Medical Center, 550 First Ave., New York, 10016
Resent-Date: 22 Jul 1992 20:43:00 -0400 (EDT)
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X-Vms-To: IN%"Bob Tinkelman <bob@camb.com>",in%"ipmdf@ymir.bitnet"
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Now that we are in nit-pick mode, I guess it is fair to ask again that the
PMDF logicals, like those that provide the Organization name and the periodic
job frequency be preserved in the PMDF_STARTUP file.  It is really easy to
build these back in to the file when it is constructed, automatically.  My
brain works in manual, howver, (and very slowly at that) and it usalyy takes
me a week to figure out that things are not quite right after a re-install,
and that there are still a few post-installation tasks I have overlooked.
 
The point is that the preservation of these small local customizations  would
really save lots of time currently spent trying to figure out what has been
forgotten....  :-)
From: bob@camb.com (Bob Tinkelman)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.pmdf
Subject: Request for minor changes to installation procedure
Date: 22 Jul 92 12:27:56 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Computer Associates, Inc.
Resent-Date: 22 Jul 1992 08:27:56 -0400 (EDT)
Resent-From: epmdf@YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU
Cc: TINKELMAN@decus.org
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X-Vms-To: IN%"info-pmdf@innosoft.com"
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I never let the installation procedure run pmdf_startup.com because
I always want to edit pmdfimage.dat first.  Is there a way for the
procedure to preserve my version of this file?  In the case where I
am doing a re-install and the set of images in pmdfimage.dat hasn't
changed I would think that it'd be save to use the existing version
of the file.

While I'm asking for minor things, do you think you could add a
default to the timezone question, with the default being the current
value of the logical?

BTW, it's nice to have a product where you have time to worry about
``the small stuff''.
--
Bob Tinkelman <bob@camb.com>
From: jstafford@vax2.winona.msus.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.pmdf
Subject: FAQ?
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:07:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet
Resent-Date: 22 Jul 1992 11:07 -0500 (CDT)
Resent-From: epmdf@YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU
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Pardon if this is a FAQ, but is there an archive of this list?
From: rick%qucdnee.bitnet@ymir.claremont.edu (Rick Pim)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.pmdf
Subject: stuck message in bit_gateway channel
Date: 20 Jul 92 22:57:00 GMT
Organization: The Internet
Resent-Date: 20 Jul 1992 17:57 -0500 (EST)
Resent-From: epmdf@YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU
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i just came back from holiday (inevitably) to find a message stuck in
my bit_gateway channel. this channel has been working (with no problems
that i'm aware of) for many months; i've never seen anything like this
before.
 
the file in pmdf_root:[queue.bit_gateway] is as follows:
 
m;EPMDF@YMIR.BITNET
smtpuser@bitnet-gateway
 
Received: from JNET-DAEMON by qucdnee.ee.QueensU.CA (PMDF #12466) id
 <01GMC8K32TL09ZLDWK@qucdnee.ee.QueensU.CA>; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 18:26 EST
Received: From YMIR(EPMDF) by QUCDNEE with Jnet id 1796 for SMTPUSER@QUCDNEE;
 Mon, 13 Jul 1992 18:26 EST
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1992 18:26 EST
Date-warning: Date header was inserted by qucdnee.ee.QueensU.CA
From: EPMDF@YMIR.BITNET
To: SMTPUSER@QUCDNEE.EE.QUEENSU.CA
Message-id: <01GMC8K32TL09ZLDWK@qucdnee.ee.QueensU.CA>
X-Envelope-to: smtpuser@bitnet-gateway
PMDF-Warning: To line inserted; none found in original message header.
 
HELO YMIR.BITNET
TICK 0001
MAIL FROM:<epmdf@YMIR.BITNET>
RCPT TO:<RICK@QUCDNEE.BITNET>
DATA
Received: from YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU by YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU (PMDF #2326 ) id
 <01GMBY2G8YV0984O20@YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU>; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 13:27:33 PDT
Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM by YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU (PMDF #2326 ) id
 <01GMBWE38SMO984N5C@YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU>; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 12:38:29 PDT
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 <01GMBWD8T6LC8WW3AJ@INNOSOFT.COM>; Mon, 13 Jul 1992 12:37:41 PDT
Date: 13 Jul 1992 12:37:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Daniel C. Newman" <DAN@INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject: RE: Internet mail through DECnet routing
To: OZMINSKI@MSUKBS.BITNET, IPMDF@YMIR.BITNET
Errors-to: epmdf@YMIR.BITNET
Resent-message-id: <01GMBY2GPD4U984O20@YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU>
Message-id: <01GMBWD8TG8I8WW3AJ@INNOSOFT.COM>
X-Envelope-to: RICK@QUCDNEE.BITNET
X-VMS-To: IN%"OZMINSKI%MSUKBS.BITNET@ymir.claremont.edu"
X-VMS-Cc: IPMDF
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Fruit-of-the-day: appl
Fruit-of-the-day-warning: Fruit is not valid
 
(body of message deleted)
.
QUIT
From: bob@camb.com (Bob Tinkelman)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.pmdf
Subject: RE: Request for minor changes to installation procedure
Date: 23 Jul 92 02:06:12 GMT
Organization: Cambridge Computer Associates, Inc.
Resent-Date: 22 Jul 1992 22:06:12 -0400 (EDT)
Resent-From: epmdf@YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU
Cc: ipmdf@INNOSOFT.COM
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SMITH@MCCLB0.MED.NYU.EDU writes:

> Now that we are in nit-pick mode, I guess it is fair to ask again that the
> PMDF logicals, like those that provide the Organization name and the periodic
> job frequency be preserved in the PMDF_STARTUP file.  

I *never* edit pmdf_startup.com.  I create a second command file called
pmdf_startup_local.com that contains any local customizations (including
setting the organization and timezone).  At startup it is executed right
after pmdf_startup.com.  I switched to this scheme after I continued to
forget to deal with this issue at the end of an upgrade.
From: ned@sigurd.innosoft.com (Ned Freed (Postmaster))
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.pmdf
Subject: RE: Request for minor changes to installation procedure
Date: 25 Jul 92 02:03:16 GMT
Organization: The Internet
Return-Path: <epmdf@YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU>
Resent-Date: 24 Jul 1992 19:03:16 -0700 (PDT)
Resent-From: epmdf@YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU
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X-Vms-To: IN%"bob@camb.com"
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Mime-Version: 1.0
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT

Having the time zone question default to the old value is a good idea -- we'll
do that in the next release.

Preserving local modifications to PMDFIMAGE.DAT is much harder. It is far
from clear that there is a general way to do this that's viable. In fact,
given some of the changes we're planning for the next release of PMDF, it is
fairly certain that there's general way to do it.

A better approach is to have a different file for site-specific image
installs. PMDF_STARTUP will install images listed in this file, but we'll
never provide this file so there will never be any problem associated with
modifications you make to it. We'll add this functionality in the next
release of PMDF.

Thanks for the suggestions.

				Ned
From: ned@innosoft.com (Ned Freed)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.mail.pmdf
Subject: RE: V4.1-9 still has problem with mr_local_master and forwarded
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:05:24 GMT
Organization: The Internet
Resent-Date: 21 Jul 1992 09:05:24 -0700 (PDT)
Resent-From: epmdf@YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU
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X-Vms-Cc: IPMDF
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT

I tried V4.1-9 on all the messages you submitted and it processed them all
properly. You'll have to forward the message that's causing trouble to me so
I can check it out; either you are not running V4.1-9 or it has some structure
I have not encountered previously and didn't handle properly.

				Ned
Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
From: ucaa2385@ruscvx.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Peter Hermann)
Subject: eve's file cycling on Ultrix
Organization: User ruscvx Comp.Center (RUS) University of Stuttgart, Germany
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 14:57:09 GMT

the eve editor works nicely on my decstation5000-120.
(a nightmare for a vax/vms-fan)

the file cycling is simulated by appending a .1 .2 .3  etc.
to the file name. I feel comfortable to have the cycling feature
under Ultrix, too.

My question: does anybody know a feature to also simulate
the purge (eventually with the /keep=n option) command
known from VMS?

regards,
Peter Hermann
Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
From: mako@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu ("Makoto Shimojima, Univ of Tsukuba/CDF")
Subject: Re: LSE: learn-key
Reply-To: mako@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:38:26 GMT

I have the following three lines in my initialisation file:

DEFINE COMMAND           LEARN "CALL EVE_LEARN"
DEFINE KEY               "^R"  "CALL EVE_REMEMBER"
DEFINE KEY/IF_STATE=GOLD "KP8" "DO LEARN" ! override "FILL"

					mako
--
Makoto Shimojima

 Location    DECnet/ESnet  Bitnet         Internet                    
 UoTsukuba:  UTKBP::MAKO   -N/A-          mako%utkbp.dnet@kekux.kek.jp
 KEK:        KEKVAX::MAKO  MAKO@JPNKEKVX  mako@kekvax.kek.jp          
>UoIllinois: UIHEP::MAKO   MAKO@UIUCHEPG  mako@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu    
 Fermilab:   FNAL::MAKO    MAKO@FNAL      mako@fnal.fnal.gov          
Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
From: rbn@ralph.rtpnc.epa.gov (Bob Boyd)
Subject: FTP server for TPU archives? 
Organization: UNISYS/Environmental Protection Agency
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 17:44:15 GMT

Some time ago I remember a post to this group that mentioned
an FTP server.

Would someone be so kind as to send me a mail message or post
to the group?  Is this in the FAQ for this group?  I don't seem
to have a copy laying around just now or I would have already 
figured out where to look.

Thanks,
--
Bob Boyd                 
rbn@ralph.rtpnc.epa.gov 
Unisys/EPA
From: u560005@beta.lanl.gov (B. W. Westmoreland)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
Subject: TPU fileio question
Date: 21 Jul 92 19:54:30 GMT
Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory

I am currently writing a fileio routine for TPU so that EVE (or rather
my version of it) can read files straight from an FTP server on a
remote machine.  Then I can replace vi with TPU, yay!  Anyway, my question  
is why does TPU provide for multiple I/O streams?  And what is the effect
if I write a fileio routine that only supports having a single file open
at a time?  Since journal files are not handled by the fileio routine, 
under what circumstances would TPU ever have more than one file open at a 
time?  This is probably a question for the DEC guys, (Bill? August?) but
if anybody has had any experience with this I would appreciate your comments.

Thanks,

Wayne Westmoreland
Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
Subject: RE: FTP server for TPU archives?
From: "George D. Greenwade" <bed_gdg@shsu.edu>
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:06:32 CDT
Reply-To: "George D. Greenwade" <bed_gdg@SHSU.edu>
Organization: The Internet
Errors-To: TPU-Mgr@SHSU.edu
X-Listname: Text Processing Utility (TPU) Language Discussion List
Cc: info-tpu@SHSU.edu

On 21 Jul 92 17:44:15 GMT, Bob Boyd <rbn@ralph.rtpnc.epa.gov> asked:
> Some time ago I remember a post to this group that mentioned an FTP server.
>
> Would someone be so kind as to send me a mail message or post to the group? 
> Is this in the FAQ for this group?  I don't seem to have a copy laying
> around just now or I would have already figured out where to look.

The TPU archives accessible via FILESERV are accessible via anonymous ftp
to Niord.SHSU.edu (192.92.115.8) in the directory [FILESERV.TPU].  Ken
Selvia <ucs_kas@SHSU.edu> is the archive maintainer, and I sort of assist
in this area, along with all areas of our archives.

The archives of INFO-TPU (vmsnet.tpu) are in [FILESERV.INFO-TPU] on Niord.

If you have any submissions, please forward them to Ken or me and one of us
will see that it gets included.

Regards,   George
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
From: mako@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu ("Makoto Shimojima, Univ of Tsukuba/CDF")
Subject: Eve box commands in LSE?
Reply-To: mako@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
Organization: High Energy Physics, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 21:44:32 GMT

Does anyone know if Eve's box commands are available in LSE?

					mako
--
Makoto Shimojima

 Location    DECnet/ESnet  Bitnet         Internet
 UoTsukuba:  UTKBP::MAKO   -N/A-          mako%utkbp.dnet@kekux.kek.jp
 KEK:        KEKVAX::MAKO  MAKO@JPNKEKVX  mako@kekvax.kek.jp
>UoIllinois: UIHEP::MAKO   MAKO@UIUCHEPG  mako@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu
 Fermilab:   FNAL::MAKO    MAKO@FNAL      mako@fnal.fnal.gov
From: rforster@venus.gov.bc.ca (Russell M. Forster)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
Subject: Previous Note(s)!!
Date: 29 Jul 92 23:49:34 GMT
Reply-To: "Russell M. Forster" <RFORSTER@VENUS.GOV.BC.CA>
Organization: The Internet
Return-Path: <TPU-Mgr@SHSU.edu>
Errors-To: TPU-Mgr@SHSU.edu
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To all involved,

	Please dis-regard my previous note(s)! I am testing addresses for
	a new gateway and a test note got away from me.  There is no
	message body and the subject was garbled.  Please ignore the note
	and accept my apologies that it got out in the first place.

	/Russ
-----
Russ Forster (postmaster)			B.C. Systems Corporation
Senior Systems Analyst				4000 Seymour Place
						Victoria, B.C. V8X 4S8
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu
From: ORAKEL@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Framstag)
Subject: LSE: learn-key
Organization: University of Ulm, Germany
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 01:57:02 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.23

Is there another way to store learn key sequences in LSE than using
SAVE SECTION file which produces very huge files?

Can one "decompile" a learn sequence to LSE or TPU source commands?

\  Ulli 'Framstag' Horlacher    \   psi%0262450502601::rzmain::orakel    \
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From: Christophe.Wolfhugel@univ-lyon1.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Re: vmsnet.posix?
Date: 26 Jul 1992 15:06:21 +0200
Organization: INSA Informatique, Lyon, France
NNTP-Posting-Host: grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr

mark@infocomm.com writes:
> How about having some discussions about VMS Posix in the main stream
> heirarchies

Some discussion has already taken place a while ago in news.groups
about the creation of Posix group(s).  comp.unix.posix, etc...

It did obviously not lead to any solution, some contributors
brought as an argument that Posix is too close to Unix to need
separate groups (they're not wrong, both are really close).

-- 
Christophe Wolfhugel    |    Email: Christophe.Wolfhugel@univ-lyon1.fr
   "No keybord, press F1 to continue"
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
From: fisher@highd.enet.dec.com
Subject: Re: vmsnet.posix?
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:25:17 GMT

In article <14u80dINNbda@grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr>, Christophe.Wolfhugel@univ-lyon1.fr (Christophe Wolfhugel) writes:
> mark@infocomm.com writes:
>> How about having some discussions about VMS Posix in the main stream
>> heirarchies
> 
> Some discussion has already taken place a while ago in news.groups
> about the creation of Posix group(s).  comp.unix.posix, etc...
> 
> It did obviously not lead to any solution, some contributors
> brought as an argument that Posix is too close to Unix to need
> separate groups (they're not wrong, both are really close).
> 

I disagree to a point here - if a user logs into the POSIX shell and never
touches DCL or VMS library functions, this is true, but a VMSNET.POSIX for the
discussion of VMS Posix, and how to interoperate between VMS and VMS Posix
(i.e. calling shell from DCL, DCL from shell, file name string scan hints and
kings, etc) would not be appropriate in the comp.unix heiarchy - in fact many
comp.unix folks may be offended by the mere presense of VMS'ers asking a bunch
of questions that are "irrelavent to a real UN*X system."

My vote would be for a VMSNET.POSIX, even if the traffic doesn't warrant it, it
would announce the category of questions, and may get more specific readership.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lawrence Fisher                      Realtime Software Specialist
Fisher@HIGHD.ENET.DEC.COM            Digital Equipment Corporation
                                     Ridgecrest, CA
*   This message reflects my own views/opinions, not those of my company    *
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From: TEWKSBURY@BUDSGA.BU.EDU (Chip Tewksbury)
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: vmsnet.posix?
Date: 24 Jul 92 19:35:29 GMT
Organization: Boston University, Office Of Information Technology
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22

How about adding a discussion group to this hierarchy dealing with issues
surrounding VMS Posix?  It could be cover a broad range of topics dealing with
issues such as:

	1.  system management of a VMS Posix system
	2.  VMS Posix programming
	3.  Mixed DCL/ VMS-Posix usage
	4.  Useful VMS/POSIX tidbits

If that's a bit too broad for people's liking, a sub-sub-hierachies could be
constructed. E.g.:   vmsnet.posix.sysadmin
				 .programming
				 .mixed_dcl_posix
		  		 .tidbits

What do you think?
			Chip Tewksbury.
From: edana@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
Subject: Undelete problem solved!
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:18:25 GMT
Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA

Thanks to all the people out there with helping me with my un-delete problem.
I have received a number of programs and have modified UNDEL.FOR to
do by bidding. A few major bugs were fixed and new functionality added.
If there is interest, I'll post to VMSNET.SOURCES. Mail me directly
if your interested. Thanks for all your help...

Eric Dana
Mgr. Academic Systems Programming
Tufts Univ.
Medford, Mass 02155
e-mail: edana@pearl.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: vmsnet.admin
From: coleve@cc.uvcc.edu
Subject: Re: vmsnet.posix?
Organization: Utah Valley Community College
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 23:44:52 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.212411.13734@infocomm.com>, mark@infocomm.com writes:
> In article <91866@bu.edu>, TEWKSBURY@BUDSGA.BU.EDU (Chip Tewksbury) writes:
>> How about adding a discussion group to this hierarchy dealing with issues
>> surrounding VMS Posix?  
>> 
>> What do you think?
> 
> How about having some discussions about VMS Posix in the main stream
> heirarchies (comp.os.vms, or anywhere else in vmsnet), BEFORE we create groups
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> to discuss these things.  Once such discussions are reasonably active enough,
> we can then decide to separate them into what ever groups might then be
> appropriate.
> 
AARGH!!!  The more stuff which can be kept OUT of comp.os.vms the better.
Perhaps someday it will die of obeisity, if we are lucky.
Break this stuff down into little groups where we can find what we want.
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-- Vern Cole -- Systems Manager -- Utah Valley Community College --