From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: On Polish Anti-semitism
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 16:25:59 GMT

Roger Lustig!  Do I have your attention?  Good.

1) I am sorry for not quoting the whole of your articles in my replies,
   but this is a normal procedure.  Think a little if you can.  How
   long would be, say, the 10th consecutive reply, if each of us quoted
   every time everything from the beginning?  And who will ever have
   the patience to read the whole stuff for the 20th time?
   Furthermore, keeping replies short is a point of netiquette.
   I will also not quote everything this time.  What, however, really
   is a cheap trick is suggesting that a simple abbreviation has some
   hidden meaning.  It hasn't.  And if you think I misunderstand your
   points, then maybe you should express them in a more coherent way.
   I cannot read your thoughts.  I can only read what you write and
   this, so far, has not been very constructive.

2) I still haven't changed the subject in the header, which however
   doesn't mean that no other problems may be discussed here in means
   of comparison.  It was not me who first started to talk about
   Israel - if it makes any difference to you, who really started.
   In any case, there is always one sure solution.  If you don't
   like a certain topic, nobody forces you to post on it.  If you
   don't want to talk about Israel, THEN DON'T.  But don't call
   per idiots those who want.  Actually your rude behavior on the
   net says more about *your* IQ.

3) I apologize for the maybe too emotional tone of some of my
   remarks.  Still they are very polite compared to yours.

Roger Lustig wrote:
>
>>>>  So the Palestinians' case is
>>>>not at all out of the topic.  And I don't really accept the excuse that
>>>>Gaza is not a part of Israel, but just an occupied territory.  By whom
>>>>is it, thou, occupied?  
>
>>>No, not by me.  By thee?  But that's beside the point -- SHOULD a 
>>>country occupying territory try to assimilate the people there?
>
>>This is the top of nationalist arrogance.
>
>What: a question?  Why not tell us what Israel should do with Gaza and
>its people.  Take note of the wars and cease-fires and policies of 
>Israel and its neighbors over the last 44 years.  
>
>Then tell me what's nationalist about what I wrote, and what's arrogant
>about it.

Ufff...  The main question should be --- SHOULD a country occupy
another country?  Yes, it's arrogance when you pretend you don't
understand this.

>(...)
>Well, that *settles* it.  I take it then, you *still* can't tell me why
>Israeli policty toward the occupied territories is relevant to Polish
>anti-Semitism in the 1930's.

All right, I'll tell you for the 10th time.  If you are ready to
complain how Jews are badly treated by Poles, then it is only FAIR
to have also a look at how Israeli Jews treat others.  And also
how others treat others.  Only then you can have a reasonably
objective point of view.  If you only look at the very narrow
picture, you will never really know how relevant it is within
the wider framework.  Please don't ask me about this anymore.
And for the last time: if you don't want to look at the wider
picture, then leave it and shut up.  Discuss what YOU want.
I wouldn't like to spend all my time answering again and again
to the same stupid question.  YOU MAY NOT ACCEPT THE ANSWER, THAT'S
UP TO YOU.

>>>No, you idiot.  <---- expletive.  Please note.
>
>>Maybe this is your normal way of talking with people, but among the
>>civilized part of mankind it is considered a bad form.
>
>No, my friend, it's NOT bad form. 

Roger!  I said "among the civilized part of mankind", so why
do *you* answer?

>>>Oh, shut up.  We don't discuss Gaza on comp.os.unix or rec.sport.baseball,
>>>*either*-- is that further evidence of callousness?
>
>>No comments.
>
>How could you?  Your assertion -- that my refusal to bring Israel into
>a discussion of Polish anti-Semitism constitutes special pleading,
>racism, nationalism, and thoughtcrime -- is so preposterous that I,
>in your shoes, would be hard pressed to come up with anything else to
>say.

How could I what?  Maybe you should explain what you meant with
that "comp.os.unix" and "rec.sport.baseball"?  No, but you were
too busy with inventing new invectives to my address, and you
couldn't find the time to state your point in a more constructive
way.  Well, I'm sorry.

I'm deleting the last part of your article.  I think there is
nothing more to discuss in it.

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