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Organization: Central Michigan University
Date: Monday, 17 Aug 1992 18:04:37 EDT
From: <32GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: GNR
 <1992Aug17.072444.5479@sfu.ca>

In article <1992Aug17.072444.5479@sfu.ca>, selent@fraser.sfu.ca (Frank S.) says:
>
>In article <92223.16120432GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
><32GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:
>>What a bunch of fuckin' losers...not GNR, all these
>>people on this net who are trying to blame GNR for
>>the riot.  Gimme a fuckin' break, I don't care what
>>GNR did, it gives no one the right to riot.  Besides
>>when your GOD like Axl, you can do whatever you want 8-)
>>
>>The guy took 5 days off to heal his voice, obviously
>>it wasn't enough.  Metallica played short for medical
>>reasons too, I don't see anyone blameing them.  Because
>>IT WAS NO ONE'S FAULT BUT THE STUPID ASS PEOPLE WHO
>>RIOTED!!!!
>
>>
>>                     Doc
>
>Name some, I'ld like to see the list.  One thing is for sure there
>aren't many bands that are as wasted or stoned as GNR.  Case in point
>Slash on Rockline.  He only swore 8 times I think, the only word
>they edited out was fuck.  And he slurred about 8 times.  Lars
>had to fill in because Saul had no idea of what the fuck he was talking
>about.  Another incident was on the Grammys a couple years back.
>
>
First, Ive already posted the list.

Second, what does and bands drug habit have to to with
the conversation.(Your speaking to a HEMP member here
so don't go telling about the evils of drug use...and
no I don't do any drugs myself, unless you consider
alchohol a drug.

Third, in an interview with Slash he stated that the reason
he swears in public(radio, music awards, etc.) is because
thats how he always talks and won't change just to be
accepted by radio, etc.  So are you gonna tell me that
all other bands besides GNR don't swear or are they
just CENSORING themselves to make a bunch of suit and ties
happy...got ya thinking now ha?

                     Doc Holiday

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: hopkins@agora.uucp (Scott Hopkins)
Subject: Seattle Guns'N'Metallica Concert
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 05:18:45 GMT

	For anyone interested, I just heard the Seattle Guns & Metallica
	concert set for August 18, has been postponed to October 6.  
	Can't wait!!!
			-Casey
		"Funny how everything was roses,
		when we held on to our guns." - Guns'N'Roses - Breakdown

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: mschenk@research.ptt.nl (Mike Schenk +31 70 33 23926)
Subject: Re: Dio's "Lock up the wolves" Guitarist?
Organization: PTT Research
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:34:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.135958.8346@nic.funet.fi>, tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
> The guitarist is Rowan Robertson, born November 22nd, 1971. He was 17
> when he joined Dio but at the time Dio recorded Lock Up The Wolves he
> was 18. IMHO, he is the second best guitarist who's played in Dio...
> Viv was great on Holy Diver and The Last In Line, but not that good on
> Sacred Heart. I've never liked Graig too much, although he was great
> at Giants Of Rock festival here in Finland in '87. Since Dio didn't
> come over here on their Lock Up The Wolves tour, I went to see them in
> London and I gotta say that Rowan played there really well. 
> 
> Nowadays Rowan plays with Lynch Mob's former guitarist Oni Logan

That is Lynch Mobs former singer. The guitarist for Lynch Mob is 
and was George Lynch (who else).

Mike
Organization: Junior, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 14:43:07 -0400 
From: Eric Scott Jefferson <ej0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: KISS: I Just Wanna, Domino
	<92231.10473332GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>

>Also, am I the only one who thinks that I Just Wanna
>is a total ripoff of Summertime Blues??  I don't have
>the tape so maybe they give credit in the liners but I
>doubt it.

>                  Doc Holiday
Guitar World magazine pointed out in their review of Revenge that yes I
Just Wanna is a ripoff of Summertime Blues. The album still kicks ass
though and is the best Kiss album since Creatures of the Night. All
their albums since this one sucked big time until now (also this summer
brought the Irons back from a weak No Prayer for the Dying to a very
strong Fear of the Dark and Black Sabbath back from three very weak
albums, Headless Cross the Eternal Idol and Tyr, back with a very strong
Dehumanizer). 
Unholy is a great great song. I still play it almost everyday.
By the way do any of you have this tribute album to Kiss that features
all these death metal bands along with Nirvana paying tribute to Kiss by
singing and performing some of their best songs (proving of course that
Kiss is one of the most influential heavy metal bands of all time much
as some people who know nothing about the history of music might like to
think they are posers. Iron Maiden cites Kiss as a major influence as
does Anthrax and Nirvana etc. etc.)

P.S. George Lynch said that the Lynch Mob was due to open for Kiss on
their upcoming tour (which kicks off in October) so maybe Faster
Pussycat will not open for them (it doesn't matter to me. Both bands
suck.I'll go to see Kiss but arrive there in time to miss the opening
band).


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******
"I got something to say, I killed your baby today and it doesn't matter
much to me as long as it's dead
I got something to say. I raped your mother today and it doesn't matter
much to me as long as she spread" -- The Misfits
"They're out ta get me. They won't catch me. 'Cause I'm innocent." --
Guns N' Roses
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From: Donald Becker <marilion@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: GNR
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 17:25:22 EDT
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

<32GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:

> Second, My comments about one GNR song better than a
> whole concert ny most bands was meant in humore,
> but now that I think about it, it holds true in
> many cases:
> 
> Metallica...boring!!!
> 
> Quensryche...lame (Warrior  Soul was good though)
> 

I hope you get flamed to a crisp for those comments, Doc. Metallica's show 
in Buffalo last December was the best show I saw all year. They went all
out for this one, and they didn't let up until the final encore, "Stone
Cold Crazy", 4 hours later.
 
As for Queensryche, I guess thinking man's metal is too much for someone
who's been spoonfed Ded Leppard, Bon Jovi, Motley Scrue, etc. It was 
probably
the most impressive light show I've seen since Pink Floyd, and if it weren't
for Metallica, it would've been the best show all year. As for Warrior Soul,
they weren't opening when I saw Queensryche, and from what I heard, all the
singer did was chant "Fuck Bush." Then again, after hearing their second
album, I never thought too highly of them anyway.
 
> Now some cases of the opposite wher I was impressed
> by a band I didn't expect to like.
> 
> Nelson...great musicians in the band, and good singers.
> 
 
Sure, they're great for vocal harmony, but their songwriting is worse than
even the cheesiest "metal" bands. They are definitely image-oriented, 
becuase that's all they've got going for them musically.
 
> Motley Crue...total energy 100% of the time.
 
Yep...So great that on the Girls Girls Girls tour, half the people left
after Whitesnake's set. The only album of theirs that impressed me was
"Shout At The Devil", and they've never impressed me in concert.
 
> 
> David Lee Roth...still the best showman in music.
> 
 
He's a good showman, and he's got some great musicians backing him. Too
bad the last show didn't live up to the album.

> Anyway, I hope you get my point.  I have nothing
> against these bands, it's all just opinions.  I think
> Axl is  most unique singer in the business.  He
> can't hit the high notes that Tate can, but I
> was never muck for shattering windows.
> 

If you give me enough beer, I could screech like that, and you don't 
see John Kalodner knocking on my door. Axls' voice is unique, but it's
not good. Give me Tate, Fish, Jon Anderson, or any real singer over
the living tantrum any day of the week.
 
--Don
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From: d90-two@dront.nada.kth.se (Thomas Wolmer)
Subject: Re: Mot|rhead and more like Black Sabbath
Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 12:09:25 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.204836.2625@nic.funet.fi> tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen) writes:
>In article <1992Aug21.192332.9274@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> stocker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (William Stocker) writes:
>>>Since you're from Sweden and you posted an article to a.rnr.m I
>>>decided to ask if you know any Black Sabbath dates in Sweden? I'd
>>>probably come over there to see them, since they cancelled their
>>>Finland gig.
>>>
>>Now that's what I call a fan!

Well it isn't _that_ hard for him to come over here...
Check your map.
>>
>And I'm going to go to see them in Edinburgh, United Kingdom too..
>
>(I already have a ticket to there:-)
>
Can people in Finland afford such excesses nowadays? 8-/

Anyway, I haven't heard any date but I have a friend who works for
EMA/Telstar (the promotor here) so I hope I'll hear something soon.
If not, I trust Tapio to post it the same second he learns it...

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From: moon!cyberden!koden@well.sf.ca.us
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: GNR
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 07:37:24 PDT
Organization: Indescribable Creations

yeah, well i kinda was disappointed with Use Your Illusion I & II. I 
mean, a lot of songs are good but there are also a lot of songs that are 
pretty bad...  i liked GNR better in '87-'89.. and i still think Appetite 
For Destruction is still their best album... 
 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
KodeN (John S. Cho) moon!cyberden!koden@well.sf.ca.us    --- Marin County
"In case you're wondering, yes, Koden is from the Shannara books." -- Moi
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From: Donald Becker <marilion@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: GnR making more money from fools...
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 23:10:18 EDT
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

Eric Scott Jefferson <ej0i+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> Why shouldn't Axl sing that song One in a Million. You've got 10,000 rap
> bands saying Kill the White Devils (as James Hetfield said in a recent
> interview, yes the lead singer of Metallica, "rap is basically black
> people saying how they should be given everything and all that shit")
> about which no one but no one has balls enough to complain about.
> Personally I like the song One in a Million for I know it gives every
> bleeding heart here fits every time they think of the song. The song is
> just Axl's opinion. Why can't he express it? or does everything have to
> be one opinion only.
> 
You're missing my point. My point has nothing to do with Axl's on-and-off
semi-racism. It has to do with his constant hypocrisy. He wrote One In A
Million, got a lot of flak for it, and decides to start kissing black ass
to make up for it.
 
Axl has as much right to sing "One In A Million" as people like N.W.A. to
sing "Fuck Tha Police". But that doesn't make either one of them right, now
does it?
 
--Don
From: tmcdonal@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Tom McDonald)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: Gn'R/Metallica show help
Date: 14 Aug 92 22:46:11 GMT
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio

In article <1992Aug13.230548.24466@nntp.uoregon.edu> dcutter@oregon.uoregon.edu (dann cutter) writes:
>God dammit! Fucking stupid pyro... I really hate roadies who can't fucking
>make the show safe for the fucking band members.

Whoa!  Relax.  From a news report on eMpTV, the explosion was a result of
a change in the pyro show.  There was a miscommunication between the engineer
and James as to where and when the explosion was to go off.  You can read
that a number of ways, but the way I look at it was probably a bit of fault
on both sides.  Those pyros are set to go in a certain order and the band
members are supposed to know where not to be.  Conversely, the pyros aren't
programmed to explode even if something goes wrong.  A little closer look 
at the stage was in order by the people at the controls.

At least that's the way I look at it. - An accident.

						-Tom
have to explode if there
-- 
Okay, one more time.  This is your brain. (egg)
This is your brain on drugs. (egg in frying pan)
Any Questions?
"Yeah, can I have mine scrambled?"
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: stocker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (William Stocker)
Subject: Re: Mot|rhead and more
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:23:32 GMT

>Since you're from Sweden and you posted an article to a.rnr.m I
>decided to ask if you know any Black Sabbath dates in Sweden? I'd
>probably come over there to see them, since they cancelled their
>Finland gig.
>
>--
>  Tapio Keihanen  \ rare DIO records wanted /    Holy Father - Holy Ghost
>tapio@nic.funet.fi  \                     /  Who's the one who hurts you most?

Now that's what I call a fan!

--Will

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: donnell@squid.micro.umn.edu (Your Heinous)
Subject: Fates Warning
Organization: none
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 07:18:35 GMT

I have been a Fates Warning fan since their first album came out. 
I have felt for years that they were vastly underrated.

Night On Brocken-Their first, from about 1984. Jon Arch was the vocallist
for the first 3 albums. He has a unique tenor, and style, that is not to
all tastes. This is the most obviously Maidenesque of their albums, but
no more than say, early Queensryche. "Damnation" and several other tracks
point towards future directions. Fair production, kinda cheap.

The Specter Within-
<1985?> My personal favorite of the Jon Arch albums. Much improved sound
throughout. Arch really shines on "Orphan Gypsy" and "Without A Trace". 
The guitars as always KICK, and the acoustic work is exceptional. 
Jim Matheos <Lead Guitarist, main Writer> really started to develop his
personal writing style on this one.

Awaken the Guardian-
<1986?> The band had more time and money for the recording and it shows.
Arch turns in a fine, although slightly subdued <more commercial?>, 
performance <Prelude To Ruin is my fave track>. The acoustic guitar
playing really comes to the fore in several songs, and there is a hint
of keyboards now and then. Very nice production, particularly on the
drums. Nice cover art, too!

No Exit-
Jon Arch leaves for parts unknown. <M.I.A.>. In comes young unknown, Ray
Alder. Alder has a somewhat Geoff Tate-like voice, but he DOES have his
own style and sound. From the Intro/Title Track, "Anarchy Divine" kicks
in and the album doesn't let up. "In A Word" is pry my favorite track.
Side 2 is one long composition, "The Ivory Gate Of Dreams". The haunting
melody will hang with you for weeks, and that is just the intro! Heavy,
progressive, intelligent, and it's got Smoking guitars!

Perfect Symmetry-
Drummer change. The new guy is one hell of a percussionist, and they use
him! More progressive than before, but there are attempts to "popularize"
their approach, like "Through Different Eyes". Alder is amazing throughout
with quite an emotional voice. "At Fates Hands" ends with one of the
wildest Odd Key signatured/tempo jams EVER. Amazing drummer!

Parallels-
Progressing in a more commercial, somewhat, direction. Amazing album,
among the best of '91. "Parallels", "We Only Say Goodbye", etc...
Every song is a gem. Alder is flawless. The musicianship is superb.
Very classy. Quite the journey for some band from Connecticut. Again, the
acoutic guitar playing ranks them with the best acoustic guitarists in
Rock.

In regards to Dream Theatre, try "Parallels", or "Perfect Symmetry" first.
and don't miss Fates live, if you get the chance. they were booked into
this tiny <I mean tiny!> hole, 7th St. entry, here, and cancelled <I
wasn't suprised>, but I have seen them twice before. As precise and
powerful as one could hope. I heartily recommend anything by them.

				--Judex--

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From: tapio@nic.funet.fi (Tapio Keih{nen)
Subject: Re: Black Sabbath Concert Review (REALLY LONG!) 1/3
Organization: Finnish Academic and Research Network, FUNET
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 00:15:56 GMT

(I finally got this review....so please forgive me the late reply)

In article <2140.1076.uupcb@satalink.com> joe.siegler@satalink.com (Joe Siegler) writes:
>
>Welp, as one of the (self-proclaimed) Sabbath fans (me) went to see Sabbath
>last night in Philadelphia, PA, I figured I'd post a concert review!  As I

Thank you!
>
>1) Non Musical Stuff:
>
>   I was going there expecting to buy a concert shirt, and a tour program.
>   Unfortunately, there were no tour programs for sale there.   Is this a
>   common occurance on tour?   There were three shirt designs available.

I don't know if it's so on Black Sabbath tour, but at least
here in Finland tour books aren't available too often on concerts.
I have been on most metal gigs here in Finland for last two years, and
I haven't seen any tour books from Iron Maiden, Alice Cooper (Trash & 
Hey Stoopid), Guns N' Roses or The Ramones.

>   That was $20, and there also was a small Black Sabbath pin available with
>   the Dehumanizer Logo ($8).   I ended up buying the hat, and would have
>   gotten the pin as well, but I needed gas for my car to get home!  :)

It sounds like I'm going to do some investments in Edinburgh on
September 2nd........ :-)

>3) Black Sabbath:  ('bout time, eh?)
>
>   Well, to start this off, I'll list the tracks they played in order.  I've
>   seen a few people post listings that were either incomplete, or not in any
>   order.   I decided to circumvent this, and TOOK A PEN!  :)

I really hope that they'll play at least one Dio song over here in
Europe.... Although the track list looks great just as it is now.
>
>   E5150 (Tape)
>   The Mob Rules
>   Computer God
>   Children of the Sea
>   Time Machine
>   War Pigs
>   I
>   Die Young (only 1/2 of the song, leaded into...)
>   Tony Iommi Solo (included Orchid, and a few other old Sab Instrumentals)
>   Black Sabbath
>   Master of Insanity
>   After All (about 3/4 of the song, leaded into....)
>   Vinnie Appice Solo
>   Iron Man
>   Heaven & Hell (included the extra "Big Black Shape" verse)
 
I'd really love to hear the classic Heaven & Hell / The Last In Line
medley here.... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE RONNIE, IF YOU'RE LISTENING,
TEACH THE MEDLEY TO TONY & GEEZER AND PLAY IT IN EDINBURGH!!!
:-)

>   Neon Knights (Encore)
>   Paranoid (Encore)
>   More of Heaven & Hell. (No actual lyrics, just music)
>   Fluff (Tape)

>     * * * C O N T I N U E D   T O   N E X T   M E S S A G E * * *

--
  Tapio Keihanen  \ rare DIO records wanted /    Holy Father - Holy Ghost
tapio@nic.funet.fi  \                     /  Who's the one who hurts you most?
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From: Donald Becker <marilion@jaflrn.UUCP>
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: GNR
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:23:17 EDT
Organization: The Wizzard's Cave, East Meadow, NY

<32GCHRG@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:

> The only thing I can say is that when I saw them(with Skid Row)
> at Alpine Valley Wisconsin)they totally rocked.  Definately
> the best concert I have ever seen.  They put on such a great
> show and put so much energy into it.  At three hours a night
> its not surprising that Axl's throat is so fucked.  However,
> My point is that there are a LOT of disapointing bands
> touring lately and FROM MY EXPERIANCE GNR has blown them
> all away.
 
James Hetfield has sang for about 4 hours a night since DOTG. The only 
reason he's taking time off is because he was engulfed in a pyro for
a second. 
 
My opinion of Axl Rose went way down after he made me (and about 20,000
other people) wait for three hours for him to get on the stage. I didn't
fucking wanna wait for three hours, so I left around 10:30, got drunk, 
and had a better time than my friends who stayed until 1 to see his 
holiness. 
 
I've said this before: If Axl wants to be a big star, he's gotta grow up
one day. He's acting very immature for someone "old at heart...only 28."
 
Personally, if you enjoyed GNR, good for you. You got your money's worth.
Unfortunately, no one since your show has. Just ask the people of St. Louis
and Montreal how much THEY enjoyed Axl's quick visits.
 
I can't see how anyone can blindly support Axl after all the shit that has 
happened. He's caused the destruction of two arenas already, has caused
millions of people to be dissappointed becuase of his lateness, and he
whines because no one seems too active at his concert. Who the fuck's gonna
be active after waiting for three fucking hours for a show, then having to
wait five minutes between songs so Axl can change his clothes? 
 
With God as my witness, I will never spend another God-damn dollar on any
GNR/Axl paraphenalia! I personally hope I'm not alone.
 
--Don
 
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
From: stocker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (William Stocker)
Subject: So what is James Hetfield's current condition?
Originator: stocker@Xenon.Stanford.EDU
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 06:09:13 GMT

Sorry to interrupt the flame war, but I was just wondering if
anyone knew or cared about James Hetfield's current condition?
How long will it be before he can play guitar again?  Are
Metallica really going to hire a replacement guitarist (I hope not!).
Will GNR still play if Metallica cancels?

--Will
From: barnes@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Sandra Barnes)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal
Subject: Re: GnR Tour Date Postponed AGAIN
Date: 12 Aug 92 10:22:28 MDT
Organization: Nucleus 10 Lines 403-531-9353 -CNet Amiga-

> I also heard on some hollywood insider program that Axl's psychic
> warned him to stay away from cities beginning with the letter "m"..
> I haven't checked it out myseley claimed that l cancelled showth
> a bunch of  started with "M should be shot,d of mental treatment

Well, by now I am sure you all have heard of the riot in Montreal... guess
there was something to what his psychic said...

The View From The Edge...

Sandra B.
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