From: geoff@pmafire.inel.gov (Geoff Allen)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 21:15:11 GMT
Organization: Roller Coaster fanatic with no hope for a cure
Subject: Re: no more images in rec.roller-coaster
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rivit@shell.portal.com (Russell Michael VanTassell) writes:

>Well, I really didn't want to waste bandwidth by posting my opinion on
>something like this, but it surely seems to be an upcoming issue for the
>group...  I'm not ever sure there is an answer to this in something like
>the FAQ.

No, there's not.  I might be able to work something in.  Maybe work it
in with the mention of the ftp site once that's going.

>For those of you who would rather not read this, I'm sure 'n' is only a
>keystroke away...

Unless they use a newsreader with a different interface. ;^)

>I also did not see any posts against the idea -- most seemed to be
>more like "how can I better get hold of this" and related topics.  To
>me, it seems like this one person is the only objector to binaries being
>posted out here -- the rest of us just use our 'n' or 'e' keys as
>appropriate.

...

>From the tones of the original posters comments, it's not the site that
>has the problem with it, it is the subscriber -- at least, that's the
>impression I got from it.

The original poster's problem was financial.  Thorsten is in Germany. 
He makes (and pays for) a call to England to get rec.roller-coaster.  If
a bunch of images are posted, it costs him money *before* he even knows
what they are. 

Those of us at big sites with direct leased-line connections to the
internet don't realize that some people really do pay of every character
we type!

>I, too, am waiting for this... but this goes off to my previous post of
>"splitting the group to avoid issues like this from coming up" -- as of
>today, I have received NO response on it; email or otherwise.

Well, there's *no way* you'd ever get a rec.roller-coaster.pictures
group to pass.  That's a pretty safe bet.

You could always create alt.binaries.pictures.coasters, but anyone could
get that could also get alt.binaries.pictures.misc, so there's nothing
gained there. 

>>in any case, it appears that images are not welcome in rec.roller-coaster.
>>from now on, i will post images only to alt.binaries.pictures.misc, and
>>post a pointer to each image in rec.roller-coaster.  does that meet
>>with everyone's approval?
>
>My vote:  NO.

I vote YES.  For those of us who get everything, it's no big deal to hop
over to alt.binaries.pictures.misc and snag the image.  And we don't
make those paying big bucks to get rec.roller-coaster pay for things
they may or may not want or be able to afford.

Here again are Thorsten's comments, for reference:

| I really appreciate Allyn posting the images of some really weird coasters,
| but I can't afford so much traffic, because my Usenet-News feed is
| in England and I make an international call every day to get the latest
| news in coastermania and other interesting newsgroups.
| If you don't mind, please put the images on a public FTP-site, so
| everybody can get them, but do not post them to this normally non-binary
| newsgroup.

Note that he *likes* the idea of images, but can't afford to have
rec.roller-coaster be that busy.  Do we want to make users like Thorsten
give up reading rec.roller-coaster because they can't afford it?

Something to think about....

Geoff ``This is what happens when winter sets in and we all go into
        coaster deprivation ;^) '' Allen

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