HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: barnhart@netcom.com (Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS will continue on SCA!
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 92 22:53:22 GMT
Organization: Netcom (but I'm in Evanston, Illinois)
Keywords: barnhart winslow yes ips africa
Reply-To: barnhart@netcom.com

People who have read my earlier query post are now formally encouraged
*not* to mail me with your replies.  I got the message loud and clear!

If I had known there were so many avid readers of the re-posted IPS
news items I wouldn't have bothered asking, I would've just gone right
ahead and picked up where Winslow left off.

Your quick and unambiguous response was very heartwarming.  News from
Mother Africa will continue ... later tonight.  Thank you again to all
respondents.


-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@netcom.com)    |     "It is probable that, after economic
Evanston, Illinois             |    stability, the greatest single desire
                               |    in this country is for a reduction in
Jeremiah 6:14                  |    paranoia."          -- Stanley Crouch
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Llolsten L Kaonga)
Subject: Re: Followup "Intimidation, looting and arson"
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:03:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.160445.1843@newshost.unh.edu> llk@kepler.unh.edu (Llolsten L Kaonga) writes:
>In article <Aug.12.23.38.36.1992.20739@andromeda.rutgers.edu> detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio) writes:


>>
>>Who is responsible for township violence?  The SAP are not
>>responsible for every death in the townships, and if nobody
>>cooperates with the police, can they find and arrest whomever
>
>If you read all the articles to this newsgroup, you would probably
>have been able to see why people in the townships are suspicious
>of the SAP and thus have trouble cooperating with them. If it is
>of any help assuming you have a good library where you live, try
>reading some international newspapers or news magazines and see what
>they write on SA.
>
You might want to read the (London) Times of August 7, 1992...Read
Michael Hamlyn's article on Page 7... I'm sure there are lots of 
other places where you can read stuff on SA...

same...
>lk (with the man in the yellow hat)
>
>
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 20 Aug 92 05:30 PDT
Subject: SOMALIA:US delays aid again!
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1471700076:000:1230
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 20 05:30:00 1992


Aug. 20, 1992, about 7 am Central Standard Time USA

National Public Radio just reported that US aid flights into Somalia will
be  "delayed because of looting."

The radio interviewer talked with a director of the World Food Program. She
asked him if negotations couldn't be carried on to let the food thru.  He
said, well you can negotiate with the major groups, but almost everybody
in Somalia has a gun.

There was no mention of the fact that in a country where only  10% of
the required food is present, there will of course be looting.

There was no mention of the recommendations by aid workers that saturating
the country with food is the only way to proceed.  No mention of the
statement by Doctors Without Borders that "the food that is looted is
not being hoarded, it is being eaten by whoever has it."

In short, it's a return to the old policy stated by our State Dept's James
Bolton--"an enduring ceasefire is essential before further actions can be
taken"--  a policy denounced by the Christian antihunger group Bread for
the World, who said, "Further delay can conceivably mean death and 
destruction for a generation of people."

See next post.  My original long post was lost in software; I'm splitting
this one.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: mmokhtar@attmail.com (Mazen Mokhtar)
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS-SOMALIA
Originator: mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com
Organization: AT&T
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 14:34:18 GMT


Assalamu `alaykum,

In article <18300.2a93e24c@ecs.umass.edu> amsalu@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>It is surprising that the Islamic world news is trying to analyze the 
>causes of the non-sensical war that has ravaged & still continue to
>devastate Somalia while failing to mention how the Islamic world has
>ignored the plight of the  Somali people.

  It is unfortunate indeed that Somalia is not being given the propper
attention. May God help them and may God awaken the hearts of the Muslims
to this great suffering.

>Noting that both Somalia & Bosnia are Muslims,how do you explain
>the difference of response given to the two crises? One can clearly see
>from these inequalties that the Islmaic World  IS NOT COLOR-BLIND!!

  I think the reason has little to do with color. The Islamic world has no
history of discriminating on the basis of color, and Muslims did support
many struggles of other Muslims regardless of color. The reason for the
difference of response is, in my opinion, that the situation in Somalia is
confusing and messy. People are more eager to contribute to clear cut causes,
and the cause of B-H is clear cut. I don't agree with ignoring Somalia, but
the only Muslims genuine enough to do something about the problem are being
persecuted, be it in Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Syria or elsewhere.

>Mohamed Ismail


Assalamu `alaykum,

Mazen Mokhtar

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: philip@ziggy.stanford.edu (Philip Machanick)
Subject: Re: CRAP FROM UNIV. CAPE TOWN
Reply-To: philip@ziggy.stanford.edu (Philip Machanick)
Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:47:43 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.010938.6050@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> hardy@ucthpx.uct.ac.za  
(Hardy Hulley) writes:

Maybe in terms of liberal doctrine you have a right to be offensive, but it's  
not actually an obligation.
--
Philip Machanick
philip@pescadero.stanford.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: antbh@strix.udac.uu.se (Bernhard Helander)
Subject: Somalia: keep your fingers crossed!
Organization: UDAC, Uppsala, Sweden
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 19:15:55 GMT

BBC world service reports today (August 19) that the USAF staff in Mombassa,
Kenya has began the detailed planning of the releif operation meant
to bring in 149,000 tonnes of food to mainly southern Somalia. 11 military
transport planes wil begin an airlift operation, probably tomorrow. Let us
all hope that this works out all right. The food taken to Baydhabo ear-
lier this week in two flights (15 and 17 tons each) was distriubuted and
what remained was put in a store house. However, BBC reported yesterday that
20 tons had been looted from that store....

To me the difficulties to deliver food even now when it finally has come as 
close as Kenya seems a strong argument in favour of a larger contingent
of UN troops than the 500 agreed upon by the security council. In other
words: keep the pressure up! Keep on faxing and phoning! Americans: call
your congressman! Africans: call your UN ambassador (se separate posting).

Bernhard Helander



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From: ccfj@hippo.ru.ac.za (F. Jacot Guillarmod)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Internet in Africa?
Date: 20 Aug 92 17:37:34 GMT
Article-I.D.: hippo.1992Aug20.173734.7599
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

In <1992Aug18.125735.1230@guvax.georgetown.edu> troberts@guvax.georgetown.edu writes:

>Some colleagues are flying out to Cameroun, Central Africa, next month 
>to conduct some research at the University of Yaounde, Cameroun.  They 
>are taking a PC with them.  Does anyone know if the University of 
>Yaounde is hooked up to Internet?  or if there is any way I can find 
>out (short of flying out there myself to look over their system)?

The only two countries on the African continent that are "hooked up to
the Internet" are Tunisia and South Africa.  Some others have uucp
dialup connectivity, and yet others have Fidonet connectivity, and one
or two have BITNET connectivity - which means they can exchange email
with sites on the Internet.

To my knowledge, Cameroun doesn't fall into any of the above
categories, unfortunately.

A list of all the countries in the world with a summary of their
network connectivity has been compiled by Larry Landweber, and is
posted intermittently in the newsgroup "comp.society.development", if I
remember correctly.

>Our guest researcher says there is a CS department at UYaounde, but 
>knows no one there, and can't say what sort of networking services are 
>available.

The normal pattern of email connectivity in developing countries is
that Non Governmental Organisations (NGO's) link to either Peacenet or
Greennet via Fidonet nodes.  These nodes usually have a limited
"customer base", and the man in the street is unlikely to get access to
them for casual use of email.  African universities, being short of
cash, and having other priorities, do not necessarily see being "hooked
up to the Internet" in the same rosy light as readers of this and other
newsgroups.

>Any information (IP address, FAQ's, names of gurus) will be immensely 
>appreciated.  E-mail responses preferred.

There should be (but isn't) a FAQ covering this topic.  Any ideas on
what format would be useful?  I'm keeping a rudimentary document
together on the South African internet - it's available via
anonymous FTP as:

hippo.ru.ac.za:/pub/doc/networks

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 18 Aug 92 18:38 PDT
Subject: Re: Somalia: Big Fax AttacK!!
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471700071:cdp:1471700072:000:555
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 18 18:38:00 1992


At a suggestion from a person who visits lots of the conferences where these
Somalia posts go, I'm listing the conferences where I'll forward these
messages.  So if you go to this conference and see the message with the
same title, or see just one new message, you'll know it was the message
you already read.

These Somalia posts by dmorse are being forwarded to: reg.africa,
pn.alerts, pn.announcements, alt.activism, misc.activism.progressive,
hunger.general, nonviolent.action, web.alerts, oz.alerts.

(Suggestions for other conferences are welcome.)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: How can we help Boznia.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 19:45:00 GMT
Organization: FidoNet node 5:7101/22.5 - Novell User Group, Pretoria RSA

On <18 Aug 1992 20:38> Syed Irfan Hyder (5:7104/2) said to All :

 SIH>Gold is NOT a "major" raw material on which economies depend 
 SIH>__ except as an ornament or probably when it was used to make coins 
 SIH>which will  be quite some time. TV sets and computers are also not 
 SIH>"raw" materials.

But copper is, and the Zambian economy has suffered far more than that of the 
major oil producing nations because of low prices.



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From: amsalu@ecs.umass.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re:ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS-SOMALIA
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:19:56 GMT
Article-I.D.: ecs.18300.2a93e24c

It is surprising that the Islamic world news is trying to analyze the 
causes of the non-sensical war that has ravaged & still continue to
devastate Somalia while failing to mention how the Islamic world has
ignored the plight of the  Somali people.How does Mr Bangash compare
the reaction of the Islamic world towards Bosnia,where arms (& troops)
are being sent to with that of Somalia,whose food need is completely
ignored? Noting that both Somalia & Bosnia are Muslims,how do you explain
the difference of response given to the two crises? One can clearly see
from these inequalties that the Islmaic World  IS NOT COLOR-BLIND!!
As a Somali I am outraged by the negative& nonsense commentary of clan
politics reported by the Islamic World News.Our starving people are not
to be served by such inflamatory articles.Rather if the Islamic World
News & Mr Bangash has a grain of common sense & humanity left they 
should join hands with the people trying to help us out of this trajedy.
At least keep your mouth shut from further silly,divisive remarks.

Mohamed Ismail
Newsgroups: sanet.talk.politics,soc.culture.african
From: g91h7029@alpha.ru.ac.za (Wayne Humphries)
Subject: Ladies and Gentle Men
Summary: politics
Keywords: politics
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:16:42 GMT

Destiny demands a reversion to original primal forms:
  Honour, Chivalry, Truth.

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: iaes@giraffe.ru.ac.za (PROF ES SEGAL)
Subject: Information
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Distribution: World
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 06:29:24 GMT

Does anyone have an e-mail address for York University?  Thanks.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:47 PDT
Subject: Re: SOMALIA:  immediate action need
Nf-ID: #R:inews.intel.com:12901:cdp:1471700056:000:1098
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 12 16:47:00 1992


Thank you so much for this moving post, Peter.

There is a ray of hope:  Felix Downs-Thomas of UN Humanitarian Affairs
said on the phone today that an agreement has been reached this morning
to send in the 500-member peacekeeping force.  This, not much in itself,
clears the way for airlifts and other humanitarian aid. Downs-Thomas
said airlifts are to begin Friday.  The food will be provided by the World
Food Program, flown in planes with UN markings.

I asked how long and how much, and he did not know.

This means, of course, that we must all keep up the pressure constantly
in every way we can think of.  Remember that we thought the acts of July 28
were going to help, but they seem to have resulted in only a single airlift--
to the best of my ability to determine.

I do think international opinion is forcing everyone to move.  Bread for
the World, a Christian organization with 45,000 members, has come out
very strongly with a three point program--FLOOD THE COUNTRY WITH FOOD,
DEPLOY PEACEKEEPERS, START CONFLICT RESOLUTION.   I will try to post
more of their press release tonight.
From: barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us (Aaron Barnhart)
Subject: IPS: SUDAN: U.N PLANS TO AIRLIFT FOOD TO
Originator: barnhart@gagme
Organization: Gagme Public Access UNIX, Chicago, Illinois.
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:22:20 GMT

Reference: Agriculture
Title: SUDAN: U.N PLANS TO AIRLIFT FOOD TO SPLA-BESIEGED JUBA


nairobi, aug 17 (ips) -- the united nations is to resume this
week emergency food airlifts to the southern sudanese capital of
juba which is besieged by the rebel sudan people's liberation
army (spla).

''since the airlifts were halted on jul. 18, no food,
medicines, shelter material or other essential relief items have
been delivered to the town to assist the war-affected population
in juba'', a coordinator of 'operation lifeline sudan' said here
monday.

thomas ekvall, who is also chief operations officer of the
u.n. children's fund (unicef), told journalists that at least
300,000 men, women and children in juba needed relief aid.

within a ''limited period'', ekvall said 1,000 tonnes of food
and approximately 75 tonnes of supplementary food would be
airlifted to the city from entebbe in uganda starting thursday.

medicines and supplementary foods were virtually non-existent
in southern sudan while cases of malnutrition and malnutrition-
related diseases were on the increase, he said.

''if immediate assistance is not provided, large scale deaths
will soon follow'', said the unicef official.

the airlift of emergency food is being organised by the world
food programme in cooperation with unicef. ekvall appealed to
the warring spla and sudanese government forces ''to allow this
urgent humanitarian operation to proceed unhindered''.

a u.n. relief supplies team of officials will monitor
distribution of the food to be caried out by a consortium of
non-governmental organisations in sudan.

''this operation is being launched as part of a wider
operation seeking to reach more civilian non-combatants equally
in dire conditions elsewhere in southern sudan'', ekvall said.

the nine-year war waged by the spla against marginalisation
of southern sudan by the islamic arab northerners has
intensified since april this year following a government dry
season offensive and the spla's attempt to take juba.

the sudanese army has been accused by international aid
agencies of holding the population of juba to ransom in its bid
to maintain a grip on the city. (end/ips/phk/ar/92)




-- 
Aaron (Barnhart@gagme.chi.il.us) -- posting from Evanston, Illinois
Newsgroups: sanet.talk.politics,soc.culture.african
From: g91h7029@alpha.ru.ac.za (Wayne Humphries)
Subject: What do fascism and communism have in common ?
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:13:31 GMT

They are both Godless.

If you believe in Freedom
If you believe in Truth
If you believe in Life
You believe in God.


"I'm black, I'm white
 I'm left,  I'm right
 I'm rich,  I'm tight
 God is Might."

Wayne Humphries
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 19 Aug 92 17:29 PDT
Subject: Re: SUNET faxes from peacent, IGC
Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1471700073:cdp:1471700075:000:213
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 19 17:29:00 1992


Hi Aaron--is there any advantage o [D[D /pardon me--using a different
computer at the ofice and don't know how to erase on it/ to peacenet people
using the SUNET numbers, ar  or will the faxes cost just the same?

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Followup "Intimidation, looting and arson"
Date: 20 Aug 92 21:49:18 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

Steve.Hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org (Steve Hayes) writes:

>On <18 Aug 1992 20:39> David De Trolio (5:7104/2) said to All :

> DDT>I think you have put Mandela on too high of a pedestal, and are
> DDT>under estimating President De Klerk.  The worst mistake which can be
> DDT>made at this point is to under estimate the far right.  I feel it is
> DDT>safe to say there are some similarities, but not many.

>Maybe you put Yeltsin on too high a pedestal. I think that perhaps de Klerk's 
>biggest mistake so far has been to over-estimate the far right. Why else has 
>he failed to control the police and the army? Or does he seriously think they 
>will topple him?

I see no danger of a military coup in SA.  But the existing police forces
have been trained and have lived with their presence and authority used
both to protect civil laws along with Apartheid law.  It will be difficult
for some to quickly separate the two, but with time and proper assistance
this can be achieved.  I do not agree that the State President has failed
to control the SAP & the SADF.


-- 
David De Trolio - (detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu)
__________________________________________________

"We're sailing on the wind of better days"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: Dorothy Morse <dmorse@igc.org>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:11 PDT
Subject: Re: SOMALIA:  immediate action need
Nf-ID: #R:inews.intel.com:12901:cdp:1471700057:000:272
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!dmorse    Aug 12 17:11:00 1992


Peter, try the following number to express your feelings (and you do so
very eloquently) to the U.S. Secretary of State:

202-647-6575


Get everyone you know to call.

Also call the Clinton Presidential campaign 800 number (no charge for this
call) :   

1-800-995-2388
From: Amos.Omondi@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Amos Omondi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS-SOMALIA
Date: 21 Aug 92 03:20:37 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.

In article <1992Aug21.014315.26216@athena.mit.edu> femibyte@athena.mit.edu (Olufemi G Anthony) writes:
>In article <18300.2a93e24c@ecs.umass.edu> amsalu@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>>It is surprising that the Islamic world news is trying to analyze the 
>>causes of the non-sensical war that has ravaged & still continue to
>>devastate Somalia while failing to mention how the Islamic world has
>>ignored the plight of the  Somali people.How does Mr Bangash compare
>>the reaction of the Islamic world towards Bosnia,where arms (& troops)
>>are being sent to with that of Somalia,whose food need is completely
>>ignored? Noting that both Somalia & Bosnia are Muslims,how do you explain
>>the difference of response given to the two crises? One can clearly see
>>from these inequalties that the Islmaic World  IS NOT COLOR-BLIND!!
>>As a Somali I am outraged by the negative& nonsense commentary of clan
>>politics reported by the Islamic World News.Our starving people are not
>>to be served by such inflamatory articles.Rather if the Islamic World
>>News & Mr Bangash has a grain of common sense & humanity left they 
>>should join hands with the people trying to help us out of this trajedy.
>>At least keep your mouth shut from further silly,divisive remarks.
>>
>>Mohamed Ismail
>>
>
>Hear hear. I agree with you 100%. This is a diss to all the arabs who
>would want to force Islam down the throats of Black Africans e.g. in the
>Sudan.
>
>Femi.


Similar remarks may be made about our Arab "brothers" in the Middle East.  
While we seem to be in the same boat whenever the USA is beating up one 
of them, let us note that while our people continue to die daily in 
Somali, not one of the billions of oil dollars that they have seems to 
be capable of finding its way south.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
From: csfraw@vehka.cs.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: On Bosnia
Date: 18 Aug 92 12:31:38 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@vehka.cs.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland


In article <l8vtc7INN20b@pageboy.cs.utexas.edu> hyder@cs.utexas.edu (Syed Irfan Hyder) writes:
>
>In USA the price of oil as fuel is 3 times less than 
>Britain or Germany. Why did the coalition got together
>against Iraq and not agains Serbs?

>>The 'price' of oil is basically the same in Europe and the USA, neglecting
>>differences in transportation.  The difference in consumer prices are the
>>taxes, which are much higher outside the USA.

So the point still stands " In USA the price of oil as fuel is 3 times less 
                            than Britain or Germany"

The Americans are giving some funny excuse about not wanting to get bogged
down in a long war. Okay how about protecting the Bosnia and the croats like
they protect the Kurds and the shiites ???????

We live in a :-)  :-)  world.




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