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From: davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks)
Subject: Re: Best players by position
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 15:11:47 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Sep11.075347.22890@nuscc.nus.sg> art30248@nusunix3.nus.sg (NG LING LING) writes:
><IO20738@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:
>:     Here are my opinions on the five best players at each positions.
>: 
>:
>
>stuff deleted...
> 
>:                      C  1-David Robinson
>:                         2-Patrick Ewing
>:                         3-Hakeem Olajuwon
>:                         4-Shaquile O'Neille
>:                         5-Brad Daugherty
>: 
>awww...are you trying to tell me that Robinson is better than Ewing in
>all categories ? Let's start...
>
>1.  Scoring....even
>2.  Rebounding...even
>3.  Defense/Blocking Shots...Robinson (slightly)
>4.  Passing...Ewing (by a long way)
>5.  Ball control...even
>6.  Temperament...even
>7.  Leadership...Ewing
>8.  Desire...Ewing.
>

1.  Scoring .... even
2.  Rebounding... Robinson (led NBA 1 year, higher every year in the league
    so far.
3.  Defense... Robinson (greatly) (1 2nd team, 3 1st team, and 1 DPOTY)
4.  Blocking Shots.. Robinson (slightly)
5.  Steals...  Robinson (greatly)
6.  Shooting % ... Robinson (slightly)
7.  Passing... even
8.  Ball Control... even
9.  Temperament... even
10. Leadership...even
11. Desire...Ewing

IMHO, Robinson is basically even on the offensive end, but much better on
the defensive end.
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From: ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler)
Subject: T-Wolves self-destructing
Organization: O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:31:09 GMT

Is this for real?  The Timberwolves traded Pooh Richardson and Sam Mitchell
to Indiana for Chuck Person and Michael Williams - what!!  Where is there
anything in this for Minnesota?   Are they trying to plug the SF hole
left by their stupid tradeaway of Ty Corbin?  With Pooh's stellar play
in the LA Summer league, he's got to be worth more than this, and was the
Wolfies marquee man to boot.  Laettner's not ready for those shoes just
yet ;)

Toni Morgan are you out there?

In other news, John Salley did go to Miami, in return for rights to
Isaiah Morris (Arkansas 6-8 F) and a #1 1993 pick (conditional).

On the slow news Celtics front - there are rumors that potential PF
replacements Walter Berry and Joe Wolf are both headed overseas (Berry
with Paok in Greece).  Say it ain't so, Walter!  Could Boston land
Charles Smith now that he's not going to the Knicks?  Gavitt has poked
his nose into the McDaniel camp, but Xman is looking for far more than
the C's have available, plus he's not a 4/5.   Celts offered Kevin
Gamble for Gugliotta - no dice.   Hey Phoenix: How about Joe Kleine
for Jerrod Mustaf?  Or Kleine plus (Gamble) for Dumas plus (?)

30 days till training camp - the natives are restless!
-- 
        Ellie Cutler

        ellie@ora.com               
        uunet!ora!ellie
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Godzilla Vs Barkley
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:33:26 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona

In article <1992Sep11.060720.22059@ucc.su.OZ.AU>, danw@ee.su.oz.au (Dan Wuescher) writes:
>In article <1992Sep6.132643.23802@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> s1139457@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (ERLS (Erland Briggs)) writes:
>>
>>Hi Guys and Gals,
>>    At the moment there is an add on TV promoting this Godzilla Vs Barkley
>>    thing on September 9th.

The Net would appreciate it if someone could give a plot summary of
Godzilla vs. Barkley for those of us without TV (or roomies who don't
like watching sports on TV).  Was it a classic, a la Coke's "I'd Like
to Teach the World to Sing"?

Philly fans will be very, very sorry they traded Barkley, I think.
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

"[George Bush is] the most ruthless white man in the history of the planet."
	-- Richard Ben Cramer, author of _What It Takes_
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Collegian on the Dream Team
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:43:46 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <BtzDwC.J44@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>rda455w@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (H. Nguyen) writes:
>[arguement over which collegian should have been on the Dream Team]
>
>	Think about it guys -- did it really matter who was selected to
>	play on the Dream Team from the college ranks?  It wasn't as if

Yeah it does, it a slap in the face, especially when they start talking
about putting together the best team possible.  As far as what the team
does, it makes no difference.

Not to mention it was incredibly tacky of them to take one college player.
They bowed to the pressure to take Drexler, they should have filled it
out with another pro player.

[stuff deleted]
>	the Olympic Team -- but look what it might do to one's confidence.
[stuff deleted]
>	shit.  I mean, think about it.  Here was a guy who got practically
>	every collegiate award, won the NCAA title twice -- and now he
>	is the last guy off the bench on the Olympic team?  Kinda
>	depressing...

If he actually thought that he was in the same caliber, then someone ought
to slap him upside his head, for a taste of reality.  I bet that will
happen, and I know just the player who will do it.  Barkley.  I know
somewhere within his first ten games or so he's going to try that bad ass
attitude and get somebody angry.  I figure it will be Barkley, since he
might figure that they are pals.
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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Rodman
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 02:18:23 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.204654.13674@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>
gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:
 
>I am sorry, folks, I wouldn't rank Rodman anywhere near the top of list for
>"power" forwards.  What kind of power is 6 points a game with 20 RBs?????
 
In which game did he do that?
I'm sure that the Schick Player of the Year has at least little power!
 
>Maybe I am biased, because I live in Chicago, but I would take Barkley,
>Malone, Horace, and anyone else that can score and grab 9-10 RBs a game.
 
No, you are not biased. Jordan said Chicago fans aren't biased.
 
>I hope he stays with Detroit.  So, the whiner can go down the tubes with
>the rest of the Pistons!!!!
 
Looks like *you* are the only one whining around here!
 
>     __                __               Christopher Gattuso
 
It's gonna be a long season, folks! ;-)
--Eric
From: u1781ag@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Andy Lowery)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Godzilla Vs Barkley (w/ Spoiler)
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:53:02 GMT
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center

In article <dfHd02Qa210F01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> msw10@nepenthe.as writes:
>
>In article 19097@unlinfo.unl.edu, mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason) writes:
>
>[summary of apparenlty boring Mound and Godzilla faceoff deleted]
>What was this a commercial for?

It was for the Kareem signature series goggles (big sizes).
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From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (Kurt Bose "of Biscayzee")
Subject: Re: Will the NBA ever let
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 92 12:50:34 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <Iee0Gje00awLMGy0U0@andrew.cmu.edu> dh4w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Daniel Reid Helsten) writes:
>
>I would like to take a sort of opinion poll.  Do you think the NBA would
>ever let a team like Utah (the smallest NBA market) win the championship?
>
>I believe the NBA has there own way of controlling the outcome of very
>"costly games.  Say Utah played Cleveland last year in the finals.  The
>NBA would have lost literally millions of dollars in TV and promotions. 
>Consequently both teams lost in very much the same way, and in my
>opinion, some poor reffing.  Is it no coincidence that the the teams in
>the finals, with the exception of Portland, have come from very large
>cities.  
>
>Any other opinions, I would love to find out what other people think of this.

It's the Illuminati.  It has to be.

Am I correct in assuming, sir, that you also believe in Santa Claus, the frozen
corpse of Walt Disney, Ross Perot's political chances, and the unlimited 
potential of Rex Chapman?


-- 
Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) *  kbos@carina.unm.edu * Make outs, not walks!
Keeper of the R.S.BB FAQ, and Junior Stathead {tm} * OK, so I AM the AntiChrist.
Be kind...don't disillusion the RBI-lovers. * Net.Agent, "Doublin" David Rossing
Less widely published as Noel Steere; less likely to rampage than Gary Huckabay.
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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Best players by position
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:57:56 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.153635.5452@research.nj.nec.com> adam@research.nj.nec.com writes:
>
>|> 2. Rebounding...are you kidding?  If nothing else, the knock on Ewing is that
>|>    he's not as good as Olajuwon and Robinson in rebounding.  The other two
>|>    great centers combined for a few rebounding titles.  Where was Patrick?
>
>Charles Oakley has started for the Knicks at power forward for most of
>Ewing's career.  Oakley averages better than 10 rebounds a game every
>year.  If the Knicks didn't have that kind of rebounder along with
>Patrick, I'm sure he could and would (out of necessity) grab a lot
>more and probably lead the league.

That excuse only comes into bearing for this year because before, Kiki
Vandeweghe and Johnny Newman were the worst small forward rebounders in
creation.  I can see you saying that Mason, Oakley and McDaniel got some
boards, but before with Oakley alone...no way.  With both Robinson and
Olajuwon, there have been other guys that are pretty darn good on the boards
as well.  Otis Thorpe always averages around 9 a game, when Larry Smith
is in the game, he grabs everything.  Around Robinson, Terry Cummings and
Sean Elliott and Willie Anderson are among the better rebounders for their
positions.  Ewing has improved in rebounding...I mean he used to be pitiful.
But I don't think he's as good as the other two.

>He turns the ball over in the open floor sometimes with ill-advised
>long outlet passes.  But in the halfcourt offense, he's a GREAT passer
>for a center.  Second only to Daugherty. 
>
>Ewing is bigger, stronger, and tougher under the basket.

How come it doesn't help him then?  Especially when matched against each
other, Olajuwon and Robinson seem to pummel Ewing pretty badly.

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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Subject: Re: Hornets mascot???
Keywords: Charlotte Hornets mascot
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 13:10:35 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.221225.25175@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin) writes:
>Well now that I have my Hornets hat, my wife wants to know the name of
>the Hornet on it.  Please help me!!!  :)

Charlotte's hornet mascot is named Hugo.  They picked the name before
Hurricane Hugo trashed Charlotte back in 1989, or whenever it was.
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From: grubin@virga.ucar.edu (Rick Grubin)
Subject: Celtics/Free Agents (was: Re: Celtic Roster -- Who is on ...)
Organization: Research Applications Program/NCAR, Boulder, CO
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 14:51:19 GMT



gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>davem@uvmark.uucp (Dave Meeks) writes:
>>[...] rumors that the Cs might go after either Cadillac 
>>Anderson or Charles Smith, though I doubt they can without a big trade.

>I thought Greg Anderson was a free agent?  Didn't Denver release
>him?

Yep, he was a free agent.  He wanted a salary increase from the
MIGHTY NUGGETS, from around $800K to about $1.5M.  Though Anderson
grabbed > 11 rbs/gm, Denver gambled on getting a young guy in the
lottery draft to replace him (they did -- LaPhonso Ellis).  Anderson
signed with a team in Europe (Spain, I think), for the kind of $$
he wanted.

--
Rick Grubin     grubin@ncar.ucar.edu
From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: "Power Guards"
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:50:06 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:

>Yep, that was after Corey Gaines had left for LMU so they used Monty and
>Immel. Hatcher was the Byron Scott of college basketball, great leaper,
>great shooter(even Reggie said Montel was the best shooter on the team),
>quick but only a very average player, could do nothing off the dribble
>(just like Byron). Immel was kind of an enigma, had a rep as a shooter
>but it seemed like every other jumper was either an airball or a brick,
>a local sportscaster once described him as "sort of a power guard".


	The term "power guard" brings up some images in my mind.  Do U mean
	one of those off-guard types with no shot, but can rebound, defend
	and score inside?  A couple of names from the past spring up in my
	mind when I think of this type of player -- namely Bruce Dalrymple
	and Frank Ford (who were both HS All-Americans who did OK in college).

	Jazzy J
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From: saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu (Brian E. Saunders)
Subject: Re: Hakeem trade rumors
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Madison
Date: 13 Sep 92 13:22:47 CDT

In article <BuI4HM.78q@rice.edu> retrac@vesuvius.rice.edu (John Carter) writes:
>
>3. The Indianapolis Pacers send one of Reggie Miller and Detlef Schrempf,
>Rik Smits, and "another player" to Houston for Olajuwon and Floyd.
>
>Comments:  It would depend a *lot* on who the "another player" was.  I
>	   wasn't interested in Person, who Indiana wanted to include in
>	   the package, so his trade to Minnesota was a NOOP as far as I
>	   was concerned.  I really like both Miller and Schrempf, but am
>	   not particularly enthralled by shaky-knees Smits.
>
>Sticking point: I don't think that the Pacers have the excess young talent
>	   that they'd need to make me pull the trigger, but a package of
>	   Pooh Richardson, Detlef Schrempf, and Rik Smits would make me
>	   think.  I don't think that the Pacers could sell that to their
>	   fans (both of them :), though.

Hey!  The Pacers have more fans than the Rockets do at this time.  Look
who's talking!  :^)

I think the cost here is too much.  With Person gone, Miller is the scorer.
Therefore, he is pretty much untradable at this time.  The Pacers
management has said all along that they will not get rid of Schrempf, but
for Akeem, they might have to think that one over a bit.  Smits is OK at
times, but when he is playing well, the Pacers usually are not.  I don't
think that a third player would be necessary in this deal.
-- 

Brian E. Saunders			saunders@luther.che.wisc.edu
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From: chrisda@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (David Christensen)
Subject: Re: Utah Jazz
Organization: Computer Science Outreach Services - Oregon State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 92 03:42:54 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.110337.25928@hellgate.utah.edu> dpugmire%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (David Pugmire) writes:
>
>It looks like their lineup should be
>
>PG: J. Stockton  J. Humphries
>SG: J. Malone    J. Humphries
>SF: D. Benoit (?) T. Corbin   -Local papers speculate that Benoit will start
>PF: K. Malone   L. Krystowiak (sp?) M. Brown
>C:  M. Eaton  M. Brown
>
>Local talk is that Utah is the team to beat this year in the west.  Even
>though the Suns have Barkley, they still had to give up a lot to get him.
>I guess only time will tell.
>The Jazz management are claiming that with the acquistion of Humphries,
>the Jazz will have the best 3 guard rotation in the NBA.
>I think getting to the Western finals last year will boost their confidence
>enough that it could be their year to make it to the big one.
>I also can't wait to see Karl and Charles battle it out twice as much this
>season.
>
>dp
>
>Jazz 4-3 over Bulls in 93 !!

Well, heh heh, that may be the *local* talk, heh heh heh....

Really, haven't you forgotten another WC team?

Think Humphries gives the Jazz a better 3 than say, Porter/Drexler/Strickland,
KJ/Majerle/Ainge, or Hardaway/Owens/Marciulionis?  [BTW, no knock on Utah's
guards, but they were clearly outplayed in the WC Finals.]  

Or did I just bite on some of that ol' flame bait?

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From: bewillia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Maj. Devon McKnight)
Subject: The X-Man cometh.  Now what about Charles Smith?
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 19:23:09 EDT

	Now that Boston has signed Xavier McDaniel for 3 plus two years, I
have heard rumblings (here among other places) that they are looking at LA
Clippers forward Charles Smith.
	I understand that they are looking to move Kevin Gamble even more
seriously now that they have signed X, and are willing to put together a
package for Smith.  I have also heard that they would be willing to part with
second-year player Rick Fox in a deal for Smith.
	Smith, at 27, is the same age as Gamble, and would provide a young,
active big player with some skills, something that the Celtics have lacked for
a little while.  Ed Pinckney, while young and active, simply does not have the
same ability as Smith.  And Pinckney is no slouch, to be sure, so that 
statement is intended as praise for Smith than an insult to Pinckney.
	Losing Fox is something that I'm sure that the Celtics would like to
avoid, but if Smith is being shopped, I think that it would be in their best
interests to lose him in a deal for Smith, if it was unavoidable.  Fox has
a lot of potential to be a solid player in this league for a good number of
years, but Charles Smith has a shot at being a star, especially playing for
a team that gets the kind of national exposure that Boston does.  (Playing
in New York would have a similar effect on his stock)
	Of course, the point will be mute if Stanley Roberts quits stalling
and decides to let the deal go through.  I haven't heard any kind of a time-
table, but I have heard that he will let it go through.
	I haven't seen any ink on what kind of a package Boston would, will, or
is putting together for Smith, so if anyone does hear, I'd appreciate posting 
it or dropping me a line on it.

				- Dev
From: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: BEST POINT GUARD IN NBA
Date: 11 Sep 92 16:43:07 GMT
Reply-To: koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Harry Koehnemann)
Followup-To: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Organization: Arizona State University

In article <92254.211844JER108@psuvm.psu.edu> <JER108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>As far as taking one "model" over the other, it does depend on the
>make up of the team. Utah excells with the true point guard because
>they have people to pass to. But I'm sure Philly would prefer the
>shooting/driving point guard.

The problem with that is that quick guys will not be quick all their
life, but guys that see the floor well and "feel" the game like Stock
and Price do will have that capacity forever.  I doubt they'll degrade
as fast.  It'll be interesting to see how long KJ and Hardaway stay
at allstar levels.
--
Harry Koehnemann
koehnema@enuxha.eas.asu.edu
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From: bewillia@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Maj. Devon McKnight)
Subject: Re: Michael Cooper 
Keywords: Andrew Moten? Adrian Dantley!
Organization: Syracuse University
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 23:56:59 EDT

>
>	Not just his style of play -- but also his style of dress!
>
>	Remember the way he pulled his socks up to his knees?  Looks like
>	Andrew Moten of Syracuse has already taken notice...
>

	I think you mean Lawrence Moten.  Anyway, I seem to remember Adrian
Dantley wearing his socks in much the same way as well.  I'm not sure if he
was wearing his socks that way when he entered the league, but if he was, is
it possible that Coop was taking fashion tips from AD?
	Just a thought. :-)

>	Jazzy J

				- Dev
From: m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: SHOES
Date: 14 Sep 92 18:28:15 GMT
	<1992Sep11.182943.15622@ecst.csuchico.edu> <4262@3cpu.rain.com>
Organization: Federal Reserve Board
In-reply-to: edrury@3cpu.rain.com's message of 12 Sep 92 14:59:55 GMT


   >In article <1992Sep11.154939.17660@cc.umontreal.ca> iacurtop@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Iacurto Paul) writes:
   >>I am looking for a good pair of basketball shoes for indoor play.
   >>
   >>1- $ 100 at most
   >>2 - must be black
   >>    Can anybody help me?

Ed D. had some good advice about size of your foot considerations.
I would also put some thought into the weight/cushioning requirements.
I've had to go with shoes with maximum cushioning due to my left, jumping
knee being really sensitive to the pounding.  Then again I log alot 
of hours ( a night, and cumulatively).  Think about your expectations 
for this.  Since I go for cushioning, all my shoes are mothers in terms of 
weight, like usually up around 20 ounces or more.  I've got a pair of
LA Gears (Kareem model) which are actually very, very good shoes.  But
they're like 23 ounces at only 3/4 size (that is between a hightop and
lo top -- which, by the way, is another big thing to consider, how are 
your ankles?).  If your knees are cool and your not gonna play tons of
ball, I'd go with a lighter shoe, around 16 ounces for a high-top and 
obviously less for a lo-top.  Personally, I like Adidas and Reebok and
surprisingly, those La Gears seem to end up on my feet fairly often.
And I hate Nike mostly cause I hate Mike.  

For the lighter shoes, I've heard good things about Asics (and they come
in black).  Puma makes some light ones now too but I wouldn't touchem.
Wayne.

PS If you're in an area where the stores are lousy, you might try
   Eastbay catalogue.  They have decent selection.  A little high
   in price for some things, but you can find some decent deals on 
   others.  Got my LA's for 29.99!  They're in Wassau, Wis.  You 
   can get their 800 # from an operator I suppose.
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