From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Super Power in new century and Yellow Peril
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 23:40:11 GMT

In article <1992Dec23.030325.26678@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>In article <ROTEN.92Dec22174024@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov> roten@cuba.gsfc.nasa.gov
>(Charles Roten) writes:
>>underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>>In the very likely event that China terrorizes another nation (like 
>>>possibly the Republic of Taiwan in the future), that Japanese prime 
>>>minister can, with the cooperation of the USA, successfully direct its 
>>>military forces to send the Chinese armies to Almighty God.
>>Unbelievable !  
>>I have summed up the strategic balance across the Taiwan Strait before, 
>>[explanation as to why China will not terrorize Taiwan deleted]
>
>My point is not to engage in a discussion of whether or not China
>will terrorize Taiwan; however, we should note that many--possibly
>the majority of--Taiwanese-ge believe that China will invade Taiwan
>if it should declare itself independent.
>
>Currently, there is no political entity called Taiwan.  The Taiwan
>political situation is the result of a civil war that has never officially
>ended between the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) on the mainland and the
>Kuomitang (KMT) on the island.  The USA and most of the world has already
>recognized the CCP gov't, and since the Taiwanese-ge have been too chicken
>to declare their independence, the entire region of the mainland and
>the island of Taiwan are under the jurisdiction of the CCP.  (As a
>side note, the USA should not be selling fighters or dealing, in any
>way, with the gov't on Taiwan.  The legitimate gov't of Taiwan is the
>CCP, whether you like it or not.  We Americans, as did most of the
>world, recognized the CCP as the legitimate gov't, and we should abide
>by our decision.  If the Taiwanese-ge are too chicken, compared to
>the Tibetans, to declare themselves independent, then they should accept the
>consequences.)
>
>In any event, this does not preclude the possiblity of Taiwan declaring
>independence in the future[1].  Let's suppose that happens.  What I am
>saying is that (1) _if_ Taiwan declares independence and (2) _if_
>China invades, using nuclear and conventional weapons (which China
>has repeatedly threatened to do), Japan in cooperation with the USA
>should use the full power of their military might to send all the Chinese
>armies back to Almighty God.
>
>Of course, Mr. Roten might object and insist on a trial period for
>Chinese withdrawal of military forces from Taiwan.  No.  That is not
>acceptable in the least.  For 45+ years, the world has waited for the
>CCP troops to withdraw from Tibet, which has (unlike Taiwan) declared
>itself to be independent, yet the Chinese-cu troops continue to maim
>and rape Tibetan women and children.
>
>[1] Congratulations are due to the DPP, the party favoring indepedence
>in Taiwan.  The DPP more than _doubled_ its representation in the
>legislature despite the KMT's attempts to buy votes; the San Francisco
>Chronicle and other newspapers reported that the KMT paid an average of
>$80 per vote (if memory serves.)
>
>>I should also mention that in China, nationalism is alive and well, thank 
>>you.  The PLA would find recruitment after a Japanese (!!!!!) or 
>>Japanese/American move against the mainland about as easy as the US Army 
>>found it on December _8_, 1941 !!!  There are a number of folks in that 
>>country who are still not sure they should forgive the US its support of 
>>Chiang Kai-Shek.  And there are a _GREAT_ _MANY_ who would be more than 
>>happy to take the field against Japan, given a good enough reason.  
>
>And there are a great many Asian-Americans who would volunteer to
>fight the Chinese-cu devils that invade the Republic of Taiwan.
>I have no doubt in my mind that non-Chinese-cu Asian-Americans would
>condemn the slaughter of Taiwanese-ge by Chinese-cu troops; these
>same non-Chinese-cu Asian-Americans have condemned the slaughter of
>Tibetans by the Chinese-cu.
>
>I have no doubt in my mind that some of those UN paratroopers, attempting
>to free Taiwan from China, will be Asian-Americans committed to the defense
>of freedom.  They will not hesitate to kill Chinese-cu in order to stop
>the slaughter of Taiwanese-ge women and children.
>
>It's regretable that so many Taiwanese-ge believe that the USA will not
>help them if they declare independence, and many do want independence.
>I direct their attention to the US military efforts in Somalia.   I
>also direct their attention to Prime Minister John Major's call for a
>united military front against the Serbian agression in Bosnia.
>
>The Chinese-cu Chinese-ge are only trying to hoodwink and lie to the
>Taiwanese when they claim that the West will not help unless there is
>a vital economic interest at state.  B*llsh*t.  What kind of vital
>economic interest does Somalia pose for the USA?  Virtually none, yet
>Americans want to help.  Asian-Americans want to help.
>
>Asian-Americans would not hesitate to help Taiwan if it declares
>independence.  If China ever dares to invade Taiwan, some Asian-Americans
>will help by volunteering to fight; others will help by working in weapons
>research to ensure that the kill ratio of Westerners to Chinese-cu will
>be as high as technically feasible.
>
>>>Of course, Japan can do certain things to postpone the day when Chinese 
>>>armies are sent back to their Creator.  For example, weakening China 
>>>politically would be one route; this can be accomplished by using 
>>>Japanese (and American) financial and political leverage to force the 
>>>secession of Manchuria as an independent nation whose official language 
>>>would be Japanese or English.  Manchuria could then be renamed to 
>>>somethng like "Shinkoku", and the people would be called "Shinkoku-jin".
>>Thank you for the suggestion, Dwight Tojo.  
>
>Mr. Roten is starting to sound a little Chinese-cu.
>
>>Do you seriously think either the Japanese or American goverments would 
>>even CONSIDER paying the diplomatic and political costs of such a move, 
>
>Let's think about this.  Let's not be hypocrites.
>
>If you (readers) supported the American meddling in the Soviet Union
>to keep it from harrassing other nations, then you should also support
>American and Japanese meddling to stop Chinese agression.  Let's not
>be racists like some Chinese-cu Chinese-ge; they supported American
>meddling in Soviet affairs but condemn meddling in Chinese-cu affairs.
>
>Note that I said, "this [weakening China politically] can be accomplished
>by using Japanese (and American) financial and political leverage to
>force the secession of Manchuria."  This is entirely feasible proposition,
>and I am not calling for military force.  That's the whole point of this
>pre-emptive action; its purpose is to eliminate any need for a military
>strike that would cost too many American and Japanese lives--even the loss
>of 1 life is too many by the standards of human decency.
>
>Let's take a lesson from what the USA did during the Cold War with regards
>to the Soviet Union.
>
>(1) Create Voice of Japan (VOJ) --analogous to Radio Free Europe (?).
>VOJ and VOA (voice of America) would beam the following programs directly
>into Manchuria:
>(a) English language programming
>(b) Japanese language programming
>(c) Japanese-cultural programming (in Mandarian and Japanese)
>(d) Western-cultural programming (in Mandarian and English)
>(e) independence oriented programming to tie (a), (b), (c), and (d).
>    The theme is that "You can be who you want to be.  Even if you
>    are Chinese-ge, you can be Japanese-cu.  People should be free to
>    identify with any culture that they desire.  People, of their own
>    free will, can declare their land to be independent.  This is the
>    right of self-determination that President Wilson originally proposed."
>
>(2) Direct Japanese and American business investment directly into
>Manchuria.  Concentrate on Manchuria.  Currently, the Japanese and
>the Koreans are already doing this.  Raise the standard of living so
>that communication devices (i.e. radios) can be easily purchased by
>anyone in Manchuria; this will facilitate item #1 above.
>
>(3) If necessary, provide tax credits to companies that are willing to set
>up schools for Chinese-ge families to learn about the West and Japan. 
>Teach the stuff in item #1.  Note that what they are being taught is
>not propaganda; it is the truth.  This is vastly different from that
>Chinese-cu propaganda on Beijing TV (ugh!).
>
>(4) ...
>
>Note that this plan utilizes precisely what I said:  financial and
>political leverage.  The benefits to Japan and America are obvious:
>a democratically free and independent Manchuria, now called "Shinkoku",
>that presents yet another market for our goods.  It's a win win situation.
>Note that the winner is also the Chinese-ge people in Shinkoku.
>
>The only potential loser is Chinese-cu culture and Chinese-cu gov't.
>
>>in view of the PLA's present status as a non-threat to any of her 
>>neighbors with a modern army and air force ?  Forget it, fella !  
>>Rational leaders take risks in proportion to 1) perceived threat (nil), 
>>2) probability of success (IMO, minimal to zip), and 3) political/economic 
>>cost (DAMNED high, especially for Japan, who has too many neighbors who 
>>haven't forgiven her pre-1945 excesses already).  
>
>See above.
>
>> [Dave's objections deleted]
>>>I have come to the conclusion that Dwight Joe is very ill.
>>He also clearly knows less about military or political affairs than one of 
>>my cats.  Jeez, how clueless can you get ????  
>
>Mr. Roten sounds a bit Chinese-cu to me.
>
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This bigot! Thank god your decision makers can still figure out "1 + 1".
We do have the option to teach Arabs to make A-Bomb, you idiots will drive
your cars without oil, with hot air you blew on s.c.c.a.
Little crazy talk with the crazy.

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