Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 17:04:30 EDT
From: <CMH114@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime
Subject: BGC Flameout (was re: Anime, and he may not...


Ok, folks, take a deep breath and step back from the computer. Relax, we're not
attacking you, just your favorite anime. :). Let's try to avoid personal
attacks, slurs, and exaggerations. You remember what happened in the Lodoss
Netwars.


Ok, everybody calmed down? Can we have a discussion without personal attacks,
or escalating flamewars? If not, just skip on by this.

















Ok.
In message: <1992Sep6.202457.2605@nic.csu.net>, James Ramberg sez:
> I sez:
>>Plot: get a real one. AD Police, though horrendously animated, addressed the
>>real conflicts of the boomer idea, and explored to some extent the actual
>>concerns of the source material, Blade Runner and Do Electric Sheep etc.
>>BGC was too obsessed with fighting the evil old company... that was old in
>>the early eighties, it's a dead horse now. Make the animators sit down and
>>watch Blade Runner a couple of times. Make the writers sit down and watch
>>Blade Runner a couple of times.

>First and I foremost, I really liked Blade Runner .. *I've got a tape of it
>in my library in fact*
> would say though that having tyhem only watch BR would lead to more
>derivative scripts .. that nowhere..

Heh, what I was outlining *was* a derivitive script, and a derivitive show.
True. But better a well-done derivative show than a poorly-done derivative show
Yeah, let'em put more influences in, what ever floats their boat. All I was
really asking for was an initial, comprehensive absoption of BL's ideas and
cinematic techniques. Move out from that base.

Next:
In message: <18eo31INNs7s@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, Ryan Mathews sez:

>I still say BGC is being "over-criticized".  So it's "style over
>substance"?  So what?  I think that's part of its charm, in a way.
>I mean, why do fans of BGC like the series?  Because of its
>in-depth examination of the human condition?  :-)  Naaaaaah.
>Great character designs, great mecha designs, superb animation (for the
>most part), exciting, intense fight scenes with pretty decent excuses for
>them :-), and, of course, KICK-ASS MUSIC!!

Huhhh... maybe I shouldn't carry on this debate. Ryan. I am sorry, but BGC's
animation is passable for the most part, but barring some stuff at the
beginning of Moonlight Rambler, it is not sterling animation. A particular
embarrassment is those horrid, long shots of stationary crowds. Blech.

>BGC is a ball for those who don't look down their noses at stuff which
>is just meant to be exciting, intense, and a great time.

Ahem. I don't denegrate action-adventure fluff, some, like, say, Dagger of
Kamui and Silent Moebius, are really great to watch. What I was complaining
about is the inept handling of plot mechanics or theme that intrudes on the
flow of the story and makes it look cheap and cliched.

In message: <1992Sep7.164007.13339@panix.com> Jack Szwergold sez in reference
to a previous article by Ryan Mathews


>Oh.  I guess your the netG-d here.  Let me bow....
>>We "fanboys" don't do anything productive except nitpick, eh?  What, pray
>>tell, have you done that is productive?  Post nasty articles to Usenet
>>telling all us geeks to get a life and only buy the stuff you pronounce
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^
>I never told ANYONE to get a LIFE!  All I said was show some selection in
>what you get or hype to the world outside the anime community.
>>as tasteful and cultured?  Yup, that'll give them studios in Japan what
>>fer!!
>I never EVER said that you should watch stuff that is cultured and
>tasteful.  You are such a KNEE JERK FANBOY!!! I said the community hardly

Etc, Etc, etc.
PEOPLE PLEASE! Stop this. It demeans the general community.

By the way, Ryan. I thought better of you. Watch your temper.


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