HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough)
Subject: Re: Neuron (really networking NeXT vs. Mac)
Organization: University of Toronto, Dept. of Statistics
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 07:15:24 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.191741.12260@cs.yale.edu> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes:

[ ]
>
>As far as I've seen, NeXTstep and the machines have
>supported unix networking out of the box, and 3rd parties
>have offered connectivity solutions for Mac
>networking.  The Mac is the opposite.  How does that make
>the Mac better? 

The Mac Quadra with A/UX has very good connectivity. It even comes with 
X. But what I was thinking of was the ease of setting up non-Unix based
networks. To put a NeXT on a network demands a fair amount of know how.
That may change in 3.0 . All I know is that I can easily link PC's, Mac's
my GS,...but not the NeXT.

The goal should be to get rid of the OS and the Systems' types and Unix while
we are at it. One wants to be able to hook up devices without having to
have someone permanently there, and it should not take reading manuals to
do it.

All of this may be moot once 3.0 comes out for the NeXT. I still don't
see  the problem with Mac's. Are you referring to sw or hardware? Moreover
I would imagine you would agree that remote Appletalk is rather nice.

I have to say this. As part of the connectivity issue the Mac has good
communications' programs and faxmodems/sw. We have Neuron. I rest my case.

Philip
philip@utstat.toronto.edu
From: anderson@sapir.cog.jhu.edu (Steve Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXTstep metion in PC Magazine.
Date: 14 Apr 92 00:58:43 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Cognitive Science, The Johns Hopkins University
In-reply-to: bwebster@pages.com's message of 13 Apr 92 22:45:48 GMT

>>>>> On 13 Apr 92 22:45:48 GMT, bwebster@pages.com (Bruce F. Webster) said:

	BFW> Worse yet, the writer might have had it right, but a copy
	BFW> editor then might have seen "Mach operating system
	BFW> kernel", assumed that "Mach" was a typo for "Mac", and
        BFW> made the 'correction' to "Macintosh". Don't laugh; I've
	BFW> had copy editors do worse to me (usually caught in the
	BFW> galleys, thank goodness). 

Boy, is this true. I'm a linguist (!= speaker of lots of languages),
and while working on a book of mine some years ago, a copy editor
decided that the word "umlaut" should have an umlaut (on the "a", as
it happens). It took several days to excise all of the spurious
umlauts from the page proofs of a 400+ page book, much of which was
about umlaut (not umla"ut) phenomena in Icelandic..... mach-->Mac
sounds all too plausible.

Never underestimate the capacity to do harm of someone whose job it is
to correct the "lapses" of an author.

--Steve Anderson
From: meuer@warschawski.geom.umn.edu (meuer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone have Emacs-2.1?
Date: 16 Apr 92 18:49:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: news2.1992Apr16.184905.7337
Organization: Geometry Center, University of Minnesota

In article <12604@umd5.umd.edu> davida@anagram.umd.edu (David Arnold) writes:
>In article <SIMMONS.92Apr4141459@rigel.neep.wisc.edu>  
>simmons@rigel.neep.wisc.edu (Kim Simmons) writes:
>> There is a new copy of Emacs-2.1.tar.Z on sonata and cs.orst.edu. Any
>> problems with it, let me know.
>
>I looked for it on Sonata, but all I found was NEmacs1.0j2.tar.Z.  When
>I looked on cs.orst.edu I found it.  Is it on Sonata?

I snarfed it from Sonata a while ago.  Did you check in the
submissions directory?  That's where it was when I found it, and I
don't know how quickly things get moved out of there.

-mark
--
Mark Meuer   <><   | Bio-Medical Design Group |   meuer@geom.umn.edu
The process of making Mars' environment hospitable is called terraforming, 
which is a Latin term meaning "really dumb idea." -- David Prill
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From: melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger)
Subject: Re: NeXTcube Turbo SIMM Slots
Organization: Penn State Computer Science
	<a-4Hjkfk6@cs.psu.edu> <1992Apr07.235902.111121@cs.cmu.edu>
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 00:42:41 GMT


In article <1992Apr07.235902.111121@cs.cmu.edu> cmaeda+@cs.cmu.edu (Christopher Maeda) writes:

   I don't see the problem with this.  Within a year or two, you are
   going to be buying 16mb simms or bigger.  Someone also mentioned that
   there are electrical/impedance/whatever constraints on the bus that
   keep the number of simm slots down.

You can buy 16MB SIMMs today, but it's going to cost you.  It seems
quite reasonable to expect that many people will want to expand there
machines beyond 16MB, especially if they intend to keep them for a few
years.  With only 4 SIMM slots you have to start throwing away memory
again.  (Soon we'll be hearing: "Well, just find a Mac user to sell
your old 4MB SIMMs to")

Btw, there are 16 SIMM slots in the Cube, 8 in the NeXTstations, and 4
in the Turbos.  I'm not convinced that going to 4 slots in the Turbos
was necessary.

   While we're on this subject, I also don't see the problem with
   Nextstep on the 486.  People are saying the 486's are too expensive.
   By the time NS486 is released and debugged, 486 machines are going to
   cost practically nothing.

NeXTstep on a 486 will be great if it is priced right.  $995 is not
right, however.

-Mike

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From: rmccask@seas.gwu.edu (Randy McCaskill)
Subject: Re: RTF, Mime, and me
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 00:25:18 GMT

I almost wish the rtf group had passed.  Not for posting of rtf files,
but so that I wouldn't have to deal with all the stupid arguments
about it.  I think the rtf arguments belong in some news.* group
and the other comments about Mime probably belong in comp.mail.*.  I
really don't care where they belong, I am just tired of the constant
arguments about them.

Love,
-Randy

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From: gamage@spot.Colorado.EDU (GAMAGE NIMAL K K)
Subject: Re: How do I make shell prompt show working directory?
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:17:38 GMT

The following in my .cshrc seems to work:
alias .             'echo $cwd'
alias ..            'set dot=$cwd;cd ..'
alias ,             'cd $dot '
set prompt="`hostname`:$cwd \!% "
alias cd 'cd \!* ; set prompt="`hostname`:$cwd \!% "'

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From: cartley@sengbush.Mines.Colorado.EDU (Craig Artley)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: CD-ROM won't load disc
Keywords: cd-rom broken won't load
Date: 8 Apr 92 23:25:14 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

Help!

We got our cd-rom drive last week.  Since we don't have any
cd-rom's yet, I've been using Felix Lugo's cdplayer to test
the drive using audio cd's.  Worked great.  (Thanks, Felix!)

Now last night, a colleague shut off my computer and the drive
so that she could take the SCSI cable to use on our tape drive
(we're still waiting on the cable we ordered along with the
cd-rom drive, so for now we have to share).

I hooked it back up today, and now it doesn't work!  The drive
will not accept a disc for loading.  I push it in and the disc
pops right back out, rather than being sucked inside by the
drive.  Any ideas before I send it back?  I'm hoping there is
something simple that I can fix.  Anyone else have a similar
experience with a drive that refuses to load a disc?

--
Craig Artley    cartley@mines.colorado.edu    (303) 273-3557
Geophysics Dept., Colorado School of Mines, Golden, CO 80401
Xref: sparky comp.sys.next.misc:14266 comp.sys.next.programmer:3492
From: allan@mct.uucp ( System Guru)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.next.admin,comp.sys.next.programmer
Subject: NeXT and GNU
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:43:44 GMT
Organization: MCT Ltd., Malvern, England

I am looking for some advise.  I need to buy some machines for a
project here which is currently hosted on a single Sun Spacstation
(some more people will be coming on line shortly and need systems).
The project itself requires the development of code in C, C++, and
Objective C and as such will be using FSF/Gnu tools, not only because
they support all 3 languages (although a Gnu Objective C library is
not yet available) but also because the entire system is portable and
capable of cross-comiplation.  In keeping with the portability theme,
we will be using X as the display system.

I've had the loan of a NeXT for a week or so to see how it behaves and
must admit that I like the system.  However, this is only a sampler
and as such I am looking to tap other experience before I make a final
decision.  I would appreciate any feedback with repsect to experience
relating to NeXT and Gnu, X11, and the general idea of mixing Sun and
NeXT machines in a single project.  There is a point of view that says
I could save myself a whole load of hassle if I simply bought more
Suns; on the other hand, the NeXT appears to offer a cozy development
environment and a responsive interface.

Any thoughts on these issues would be greatly appreciated.  Please
mail them directly to me as I don't normally monitor the comp.sys.next
groups (although in the near future I may become much more
interested).  

Thanx in Advance,
Allan Clearwaters
MCT Ltd., 62 Albert Rd. North, Malvern, Worcs. WR14 2TL  England
Phone: 	(0684)569292
Fax:	(0684)561153
Email:	allan@mct.uucp 
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From: mwilson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (No fair peeking)
Subject: Mac <---> NeXT and CDPlayer
Keywords: Mac NeXT CDPlayer
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:54:06 GMT

I have two questions:

1.)  I am contemplating buying a NeXT station.  I already have a Mac, though
     and ideally I would like to achieve some sort of connectivity between
     the two.  Is there any public domain are shareware products compatible
     with system 7 that would allow me to mount a volume from the NeXT on	     to the Mac's desktop assuming the two are connected via ethernet.  Price
     is of major concern since most of my money will be going towards the
     NeXT purchase.  Commercial software is a possibility if the price is
     less than $150.

2.)  Recently a couple of people posted articles praising a program called
     "CDPlayer".  Where is it archived?

Thanks in advance,
Mel
From: andrew@stone.com (Andrew Stone)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: "DataPhile Demo" available
Keywords: DataPhile, finally
Date: 8 Apr 92 10:47:38 GMT
Article-I.D.: stone.1992Apr8.104738.525
Organization: Stone Design Corp


	It feels like a dream too good to be true, but I keep pinching myself,  
and I don't wake up, so it must be a dream, I mean true; DataPhile has shipped!
	
	The demo version allows you to do everything with the sole limitation  
of being able to store only 25 records.

	In next/pub/submissions on cs.orst.edu and sonata.cc.purdue.edu is  
DataPhile.tar, which contains:
	
drwxr-xr-x  2 andrew   wheel       1024 Apr  7 14:36 DataPhile.pkg/
drwxr-xr-x  2 andrew   wheel       1024 Apr  7 14:37 DataPhileAux.pkg/
drwxr-xr-x  2 andrew   wheel       1024 Apr  3 11:50 DataPhileUpdater.pkg/
-rw-rw-rw-  1 andrew   wheel       3324 Apr  7 14:33 DataPhile_ReleaseNotes.rtf

sum DataPhile.tar
14814  1592

Expect the usual migration to pub/next/demos on orst, and  
pub/next/2.0-release/demos on sonata.

DataPhile.pkg is the app with help files and template databases.
DataPhileAux.pkg has the labels templates and sample databases. Check out  
MedicalConvention.dp, to see a full blown database with many views.
DataPhileUpdater.pkg contains dpUpdater app, which converts beta DataPhile  
databases to the release 1.0 format*
DataPhile_ReleaseNotes.rtf has installation instructions, tips for converting  
databases, and manual errata.

*this is what has held up the ship date for so long: we wanted the release  
version to be compatible with 3.0 NeXTstep system software, which it is, but we  
had to wait to get all the goodies available in 3.0. As a result, your early  
databases are not directly compatible, but can automatically be converted by  
dpUpdater to the new format. See DataPhile_ReleaseNotes.rtf for more details.

--
   							  andrew

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!!      Andrew Stone            !!        (505) 345-4800        !!
!!    andrew@stone.com          <>       Stone Design Corp      !!
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From: dhs@cs.utexas.edu (Douglas H. Steves)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: Light Indicator on NeXT 17" Color Monitor
Date: 13 Apr 1992 13:38:43 -0500
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: manx.cs.utexas.edu

In article <1992Apr10.064416.3868@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> garyc@lenny.acns.nwu.edu writes:
>	I was wondering if this only happens to me. I had a new  
>replacement of NeXT 17" Color monitor a couple of months ago. The new one  
>is much much ( I meant 10+ times ) better than the old one I used to have.  

Has anyone else noticed this?
Has NeXT, in fact, changed suppliers for the 17" Monitor?
If so, why don't they announce this, in light of the number of
complaints made by people in this newsgroup? It might gain them a
few sales ...

Doug

>Gary
>P.S. I love my new Color Monitor. It's sharp, crisp and right on focus!
>	AND IT'S BLACK!!!!!!!
From: murshid@nic.cerf.net (Murshid Califa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: NewsGrazer Crashes.
Date: 13 Apr 92 08:00:32 GMT
Organization: CERFnet;  La Jolla, CA

I'm running Newsgrazer via nntp over a slip line. Has been
working fine for weeks but now it crashes every time it 
tries to fetch the newsgroups. Gives a bus error and a 
Failed remove exception handlers error. Has anybody had a 
similar experience?

Jerry
murshid@cerf.net

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: scotty@gagetalker.com (Scott Turner)
Subject: Re: Barbershop MIME
Organization: L5 Computing
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 11:04:41 GMT

In article <1992Apr13.152508.8312@zardoz.club.cc.cmu.edu>  
ddj@zardoz.club.cc.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) writes:
|> In article <8187@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> stricher@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Char  
Aznabul) writes:
|> >So, the anwser to my question is: there *isn't* a MIME capable news reader  
for
|> >the NeXT?
|> 
|> There are several.  I can read MIME messages on my NeXT, as mail or
|> news, without a problem.  Get the very latest version of the Andrew
|> Tool Kit, it handles MIME.  Or, grab metamail (via anonymous FTP,
|> thumper.bellcore.com:/pub/nsb/mm.tar.Z).  It's a filter that you can
|> pipe MIME messages through to display them.  Then anyone using a
|> command line newsreader that can pipe a message through a filter can
|> read MIME messages.  Maybe it'd make sense to adapt this to a service
|> so the NewsGrazer folks aren't left behind for too long?
1. These filters sound so-so for reading (After all, NeXTMail doesn't require
any piping, nor does NG.)  But what about *making* MIME postings? This
Crispin guy has shown just how primitive the state of the art is in making
MIME postings.

So far I see half-assed reader this and half-assed reader that, but I don't
see even a half-assed creator application. So I don't see how we're being
"left behind". I also note with horror the SIZE of these tools. They may be
half-assed but it's a big ass. :) These things are three times the size of
NG!

And again, RTF-ablity alone does not make NewsGrazer the incredibly powerful
Usenet tool that it is.

Scotty
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: Jim De Arras <jmd@banana.handheld.com>
Subject: Re: SEF did it again
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 14:00:32 GMT

In article <SCOTT.92Apr11024138@nic.gac.edu> scott@nic.gac.edu (Scott Hess)
writes:
>
>You totally missed his point.  The point was that most people simply
>don't read RTF files, and don't really care. 

I'm afraid I'm going to have to call your bluff, here.  Where you you draw the
authority to speak for "most" people.  What survey is it based on?

>
>
>I don't know how many people remember when RTF posting first came to
>NewsGrazer, but in the week or two after we had a number of very,
>_very_ large posts.  I know because I had to abort a couple sessions
>where my machine attempted to download many megabytes of
>information over a 2400 baud line calling long distance.  All for a
>couple stupid color pictures.  I can tell you I enjoyed that.  I
>already was paying high enough phone bills for just the basic fluff
>on comp.sys.next* without having to also pay for someone else to
>have loads of fun posting huge binaries.
>

I also grow tired of hearing complaints about tranfer rates and long distance
costs.  You choose the method you wanted to use to connect, in this case, you
picked a method that has a high per byte cost, and want the rest of us to make
your decision the right one.  I pay $8000+ a year for my connection, and don't
really want my throughput throttled to such a LCD level.  I believe rtf has
it's place (NOT in a seperate forum, that defeats it's purpose) just as much as
lower/upper case, punctuation, etc. enhance postings.  

Thank GOD we at least had moved on to ascii by the time usenet got going,
otherwise, we'd still be stuck at baudot, and listening to grumbling about
those upstarts wasting our paper tape using lowercase! ;-)

>scott hess <scott@gac.edu>   <A GUI is to a command-line as a TV is to a book>
>12901 Upton Avenue South, #326  Burnsville, MN  55337  (612) 895-1208 Anytime!
>

This is not a defense of this particular RTF posting, I haven't even seen it,
but I think the 'right' to reasonable RTF postings should not be denied, any
more than the 'right' to post the multi-line advertising .signatures should
be denied.  I'll take anyone's odd that the sumtotal of redundant .signatures
FAR exceeds the sum total of RTF postings, and hence cost you pay-per-byters
much more.

My opinions, only.  I speak for no one but me.

Jim De Arras
From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: NeXT TeX and Postscript (was Re: Neuron (really networking NeXT vs. Mac))
Date: 13 Apr 92 18:41:17 GMT
Reply-To: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov
Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science

In article <1992Apr13.035754.11198@utstat.uucp>, philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes:
>Moreover in order to use fonts on a Mac it is a straiforward
>procedure. Using them with NeXT TeX doesn't seem to be. Nor does printing
>if you aren't using a NeXT laser printer at 400 dots/in.

Not true. Folks, if you care, just try it out with the upgraded
dvips/TeXview available from labrea.stanford.edu. Don't forget to read
the section of the dvips manual that discusses postscript fonts. Also
note the resolution pop-up list on the print panel. In my experience, it
just works.

>And it's "most people" who
>will determine the future.

"Most people" don't give a hoot about TeX. I am a big TeX lover, but I
would question the sanity of anyone who tried to sell Joe Most People a
computer based on an easy-to-use TeX implementation. Most TeX users care
more about power than ease-of-use; otherwise, why not just use a word
processor? I claim that TeXview/dvips is easy to install and use for
most TeX users.

>While we are on the TeX issue, why not try Textures. It has continuous
>previewing( see what you get when you enter your code). This is something
>not available on the NeXT. It's almost a WYSIWYG TeX. It's great.

Because it's proprietary and it needs a Mac. Continuous previewing is
(IMHO) distracting. Emacs/auc-tex (or T. L. Marchiori's clever Edit
hacks for those who don't believe in the One True Editor) and Rokicki's
fine software are more than good enough: For the functionality and
price, they are unbeatable.

--
erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
From: doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (Douglas Scott)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Re: X server binaries
Keywords: X
Date: 12 Apr 92 19:17:55 GMT
Organization: Center for Computer Music Research and Composition, UCSB

In article <1201@dutiws.tudelft.nl> dimitri@dutiws.tudelft.nl (Dimitri Tischenko) writes:
>Dear NeXTers,
>
>Has anymody compiled the X server for the NeXT or know a site where
>a compiled version is living? I don't want to reinvent the wheel again
>by installing it from the 70 MB sources if it's already done.

A complete compiled binary/include/lib tree plus the Xnext ("Mouse-X") server
is available (and has been for several months) via anonymous ftp from
foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu (128.111.92.30) as ~ftp/pub/X11R5-complete.tar.Z.  This
is an R4 server with R5 binaries for everything else, and it works fine.  Grab
the README file from the same place to figure out how to install it.


-- 
Douglas Scott                              (805)893-8352
Center for Computer Music Research and Composition
University of California, Santa Barbara
Internet: (NeXTMail ok)   <doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
From: kjh9@ellis.uchicago.edu (Kevin J Hegg)
Subject: Re: Neuron
Reply-To: kjh9@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 13:45:20 GMT

>In article <1992Apr8.021216.21124@news2.cis.umn.edu> wisdom@leghorn.cs.umn.edu (Scott Wisdom) writes:

>Are you suggesting that NeXTs are harder to integrate into mixed networks than
>Macs? NeXTs come with (STANDARD!) ethernet + TCP/IP + NFS + RPC + etc + etc. 
>It all works very well (even with NetInfo). Macs come with what? A serial port
>and appletalk? How is that going to get a Mac connected to a network of suns  
>and HPs or any other popular workstation? Many Macs can't even be expanded to 
>add ethernet. I think that NeXT wins over Mac in the networkability arena  
>hands down (especialy with 3.0 - system 7 networking will be nothing compared 
>to 3.0 networking).
>

I think this is a bit incorrect. First, I don't know of any Mac that can't be
connected to Ethernet. With some of the older models you may have to use SCSI
ethernet or a Localtalk-Ethernet router, but it still is ethernet. Second,
all Macs support TCP/IP using the MacTCP driver, so NeXT has no advantage here.
Third, I work with NeXT and Mac computers in a mixed network environment and I
find them both equally as easy to setup on a network. NeXT does win in the
network management area because this is mostly non-existent on Macs. Finally,
if you are looking for a weak point for Macs in a networked environment, I 
would say it is the Mac filesystem. It is not impossible, but it is very painful
to integrate NFS and Mac filesystems. Also, moving Mac files to other systems
can be a pain.
From: nweaver@ocf.berkeley.edu (Nicholas Weaver)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Artical in The Cronical (NeXT sale)
Date: 14 Apr 1992 20:50:18 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu
Keywords: NeXT, Russia, Yeltsin, Cyrillic


	This is from an artical in the 4-13-92 business section of the
San Fransisco Cronicle, exerpted from a larger artical on high-tech
computer sales to the Soviet Union.

	"Steve Sarich, president of Talus Corp., A Houston-based computer
distributor, came to Comtek as a visitor and walked away with a request
for a proposal from the office of Russian President Boris Yeltsin to
provide 2500 NeXT Computer Inc. workstations, an estremely sophisticated
machine."

	Note.  They forgot to capitolize X and T in NeXT.  (Typical
Chronical).  If this is true, then it probably means that there is at
least 1-2 people in Redwood City buisy making NeXTstep Cyrillic.

	Also, if the sale goes through, would this boot the CIA out of
the "Biggest NeXT customer award"?

-- 
                       Nicholas C. Weaver
nweaver@ocf.berkeley.edu                nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu
        It is a tale, told by an idiot, .signifying nothing.
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