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From: aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson)
Subject: Re: IN SEARCH OF RIDING!
Keywords: Riding without a guide
Organization: Flight Transportation Associates, Cambridge, MA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:15:55 GMT

I just couldn't resist posting - and this has been seconded by someone else
on the net in the past - when people say "I want to rent horses someplace
without a guide" it really hits my trigger.  The *only* reason people say
this is because they want to run the s*** out of the horses!  Otherwise
you wouldn't mind a guide being along.  It makes me so mad!  If you don't
own/lease or take lessons regularly, you probably are not a good enough rider
to be out on a horse by yourself anyway.  Why are people who rent horses
like this?!  I work at a rental stable *with* guides and the life of a rental
horse is HARD, even under the best conditions.  I really wish people would
stop treating horses like motorcycles and expecting for $20 they are going
to do whatever they want.  Does anyone else out there feel this way or am
I being irrational?  I just feel that riding is a priviledge and horses
deserve to be treated with respect and kindness, it is really upsetting
to hear people who constanting want to abuse them and *would* run them
for an entire hour if they could find a place with no guides.

Karen Karlsson


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From: regard@sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: western riding and helmets
Date: 27 Jul 1992 09:01:16 -0700
Organization: Hewlett Packard, San Diego Division
NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdde.sdd.hp.com

In article <3030335@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner) writes:
>Listening to the results of the Frontier Days Rodeo, I heard
>something that is relevant here.  Many of the BULL RIDERS
>are now going to the hard hat/cowboy hat combination. 


We just lost a very experienced rider in our pony club region.  She was an
upper C rider (i.e., accomplished) riding team penning on a well broken cow
horse.  The horse lost it's footing in the arena and went down on this girl,
causing chest and head trauma.  She was not wearing her hard hat.

They fought the chest trauma for nearly 24 hours before they discovered the
extent of the brain stem injury.  She died a few days later.

They don't know if the hard had would have saved her, given her other injuries,
but they do know there are injuries ever week wherein a hard hat would have
helped.

The curious thing I note is that all the injuries/falls I've heard of, both
when people were thankful for their hats, and when people were sorry they
weren't wearing them, were non-jumping accidents.  They were working on the
flat, or riding on the trail, or western events.  It's not just for jumping.

I'm so devastated by these kinds of accidents.  There are days when I'm
*glad* that my daughter gave up riding.  And yet I continue to ride, myself.
I don't know how the family responds to this kind of tragedy.

Adrienne Regard
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From: susan@noaapmel.gov (Susan Collicott)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: IN SEARCH OF RIDING!
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:32:16 GMT
	<1992Jul28.001555.11202@athena.mit.edu>
Organization: NOAA/PMEL, Sand Point Way, Seattle, WA


Oh and one more thing karen  - you say "If you don't own/lease or take 
lessons regularly, you probably are not a good enough rider to be out on
a horse by yourself anyway."

Ever think maybe some people don't have enough MONEY to own/lease/lesson
at some point in their horse-loving life?  

I'm going to school.  I have no extra money.  (Let alone enough time to
get to the barn *every* morning and night!)  Heck, I struggle for rent
money sometimes.  I do without other luxeries to save up for one trail ride.
I yearn and yearn for a horse - I cry about having to give up my horses.

I have a friend who just sold her two horses - she had a baby. Not enough
money for kids and horses.  She loves to have a day to herself, and go for
a ride.  She has to rent.

I guess according to you, we're both not good enough to ride a horse by
ourself, just because we can't AFFORD to own a horse.


If I had enough money for my own horse, I wouldn't rent.  But I don't, and
I don't want to ruin friendships by continually leaching rides off of friends,
so I rent.

Think again before you put down everyone who rents a horse.
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: majewski@bach.udel.edu (Kathleen Majewski)
Subject: EVA virus
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:23:19 GMT

I just received the information on the Equine Viral Arteritis report from
the Common Wealth of Virginia.
It is EVA, and has been identified at several racetracks in New Hamshire
and Massachusetts.
This affects horses only. This is an acute contagious viral disease 
characterized by: fever, nasal and ocular discharges, edema and abortion.
It occurs in sporadic outbreaks that are associated with movement of horses.
Transmission occurs primarily by the respiratory and venereal routes during the acute phase of the infection. Epidemics may occur where horses are congregated,
sales, shows, racetracks, breeding farms etc.
The Virginia State Veterinarian is PHOHIBITING the importation of horses into 
the State from Mass., New Hampshire, Vermont, Rhode Island, Maine and Conneticut.
The Embargo is to apply to additional states if the infection spread is not contained.
This proclamation will remain in effect until this disease has been identified and adequate control measures have been taken to prevent the spread of this disease to the Virginia equine population.
This article came directly from the Health dept in Virginia dated 7/15/92.
Hope this answers some folks questions.
kathy Majewski  email majewski@bach udel.edu
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: susan@noaapmel.gov (Susan Collicott)
Subject: Re: Re :Experienced?  Maybe.
Organization: NOAA/PMEL, Sand Point Way, Seattle, WA
	<1992Jul28.222522.7500@u.washington.edu>
	<SUSAN.92Jul28161757@wimpie.noaapmel.gov>
	<1992Jul29.144346.18029@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 17:55:31 GMT


yes, I know, and I've tried to delete that entire article, but the server
says I'm not the one who wrote it.  (I wish!)  All I can say is, it was
a bad day and I should never have started reading rec.eq - or someone should
have been editing for me!

Again, I apologize for the juvenile posting.

Susan
From: clinard@cs.utk.edu (Michelle Clinard)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: I know boasting's rude, but...
Date: 27 Jul 92 13:31:15 GMT
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department

In article <3030334@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM> wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner) writes:
>In rec.equestrian, clinard@cs.utk.edu (Michelle Clinard) writes:
>
>
>    My 2-year-and-3-month-old pinto American Saddlebred filly Cassie just had
>    her first trip this weekend.  She'd only been hauled once before at the
>    age of 7 months.  She was perfect, thus begins the brag...
>
>    Apologies for the bandwidth, but I was bustin' with pride!
>
>    -Michelle
>    -Maggie( 17-year-old chestnut American Saddlebred )
>    -Cassie( the wonder horse, Maggie's daughter )
>
>No apologies necessary.  Sounds like you have a good start on
>your horse.  Just wait till she sees her first llama.
>
>Wendy
>

Ha!  Bring it on!  We'll take on the world!  *This* weekend we took our
2nd trip, to the lake.  We saw motorboats, jet skis, even a sailboat
from about 20 feet away, with sails flapping to beat the band.  
Dogs barked at us all day.  WE navigated rocky
lake-bottom, fallen trees, and gulleys like pros.  We even stood tied
while the human-types went to the house for lunch and dinner.  We had
our first swim, and loved it!  Every bit of this was greeted with a
"so like, where's the food?  I know there's got to be *something* 
around here I can eat."  However, there were no llamas to be found.

Maybe next weekend we'll go to the zoo...

Okay, I'll quit now.  You guys know how it is when a proud mama starts
talking about her kids :-)  I'll get through the bragging stage in a
bit.  It's just that most 2-year-old don't react this well to new
situations, especially not American Saddlebreds.

-Michelle


Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: majewski@bach.udel.edu (Kathleen Majewski)
Subject: Names again!
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 20:09:37 GMT

Since she is such a sweety, how about dressing up the Sunny, like Sunshine Delight, Ray of Sun, or Sunny's Afternoon Delight? 
Good luck, sounds like she has a super new home.

Kathy
From: doconnor@sedona.intel.com (Dennis O'Connor)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: interbreeding (was: help need friend)
Date: 26 Jul 92 16:09:52 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Intel i960(tm) Architecture
In-reply-to: tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu's message of 26 Jul 92 07:21:00 GMT


tracy@scoraz.resp-sci.arizona.edu (Tracy Scheinkman) writes:
] Not even the Przywalski's horse can be crossed with a modern horse and
] produce a fertile offspring.

From "The Horse", by Evans, Borton, Hintz and Van Vleck,
ISBN 0-7167-0491-9, published 1977 :

Page 438:
	"Only hybrids between the horse and the Przewalski's horse
	 have definitely been shown to be fertile."

This is even tho one has 64 chromosomes pairs and the other as 66.

It makes some sense : Przewalski's may be a relatively recent
offshoot of the horse, and in it's earliest stages (i.e. the
first animal of the species) it would have to have been able
to produce fertile hybrid offspring.

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Dennis O'Connor			doconnor@sedona.intel.com
From: hannah@pomponio.ai.sri.com (Marsha Jo Hannah)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Airborne Horse-Eaters
Date: 28 Jul 92 20:30:17 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
In-reply-to: kw@cbnews.cb.att.com's message of 27 Jul 92 21:08:41 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.210841.6445@cbnews.cb.att.com> kw@cbnews.cb.att.com (kathleen.m.wilber) writes:

  Sailboats, llamas, etc..  How about a hot air balloon riding low right beside
  the arena, complete with loud gas firing hissing effects?  Happened to me
  last Friday.  Daleilah and the two other horses in the arena were *most*
  impressed.

  I was impressed that none of them tried to take off!
  ...   Of course, the corner nearest where it disapeared
  was the "spook" corner for the rest of the session.

  Kathy Wilber

We recently attended a Fjord playday that was held immediately
adjacent to a rural airport.  There were light planes taking off and
landing (passing low overhead) at random times, and agricultural
helicopters flying in and out for recharges of their spraying tanks
about every 20 minutes, plus an occasional ultra-light.  As near as I
could tell, the only horses that got upset were the ones whose riders
were worried that the horses might become upset.  (I saw this with my
gelding---when I was worried about his reaction, he became tense; when
I convinced myself that I had better ignore the planes, he did, too.)

I recall reading somewhere that horses tend not to be afraid of things
overhead because their ancient predators were ground-based.  Humans,
on the other hand, once were forest dwelling, so had to fear things
like large cats pouncing on us from limbs above.  We also had to cope
with attacks from birds upset about having their nests raided for
eggs, so we tend to flinch from something passing close overhead.

Anyway, my guess is that it was the loud hissing noises (the great
grandmother of all spray bottles? :-) ) that caused the consternation,
not the balloon itself.

Marsha Jo Hannah		Murphy must have been a horseman--
La Honda, CA			anything that can go wrong, will!
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian,rec.sport.olympics
From: devine@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Catherine Devine)
Subject: Triplecast update (was Re: Cheated already!)
Keywords: fie on NBC
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:09:04 GMT


They're currently saying that there will be "bonus" coverage of the three-day
dressage sometime tonight on the white channel, but they haven't given an exact
time yet.  Do you think maybe irate phone calls have registered with NBC?
From: china@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Questions from a "green" rider....
Date: 26 Jul 92 14:31:48 +1000
Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia

In article <920724140133.22e42485@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>, WISNIEWS_ELA@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU writes:
 
> I'm brand new to rec.equestrian and new to the equestrian world.
> Recently I have started taking English lessons (in the central Connecticut 
> area) and have actually been bumped up to the more "advanced" class! 
> Needless to say, I am very excited and ADDICTED! 

Congratulations
 
> I do not have my own/nor can afford to buy a horse at this time, but I plan 
> to in the future.  In the meantime I am trying to learn as much about horses,
> horse care, and riding. 
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions about what I can do to speed my
> learning along?  I've read some books but the ones I have found are
> fairly dated. Does this matter?  

Reading, videos, talking to horsey people and going to shows to watch and
compete are all excellent ways to expand ones knowledge. The age of the
books you read doesn't matter at all. However, like every other aspect of
life, don't believe everything you read, hear or are told. Without knowing
your present stage of equestrian knowledge, I suggest you read as much as
possible and talk to everyone. You'll probably find that you start to 
accumulate contradictory information after awhile. I wouldn't worry about
that because as you develop your own experiences you'll become more discerning
about what suits you and the horses you ride. Almost everyone 
(including me) believies their methods are the best, but there are lots
of ways of skinning that proverbial cat.
 
> Also, I was interested in co-leasing a horse with another rider.  Does
> anyone know what this usually entails?  Are boarding or medical expenses, etc...
> included in the lease price? 

I'm not up on the process of leasing a horse, so I can't help here. However, I
think it's a good idea if you avoid leasing a horse for awhile. I think you
can gain much more if you ride several horses in these early stages. If you
ride horses with good and bad temperaments, hard and soft mouths, lazy and
exciteable spirits, educated and green etc etc; you'll become a more roundly
educated horseman(person?). 
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Ela Wisniewski
> 
Ross

> Internet Address:  WISNIEWS_ELA@CCSU.CTSTATEU.EDU
>
From: pnturowski@amherst.edu
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: Equine Viral Arteritis - quarantine in New England
Date: 21 Jul 92 17:44:08 GMT
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst Mass.


  They are pretty sure it is EVA.  The Massachusetts State Veterinarian
does not allow vaccination in MA, though because it is a live virus.
Perhaps there is a possibility that the outbreak was caused by an
innoculation in the first place?  More states are not allowing horses
from MA to enter, and here in MA, many boarding stables are not
allowing new or return boarders, for fear of the virus.
  Ideally, all stables should have a quarantine area where they can
keep new horses for two weeks to insure that they are not carriers
for some disease.  Petra
From: wendy@hpfcmgw.FC.HP.COM (Wendy Milner)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 17:26:03 GMT
Subject: Re: I know boasting's rude, but...
Organization: HP Fort Collins, CO
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian

In rec.equestrian, clinard@cs.utk.edu (Michelle Clinard) writes:


    My 2-year-and-3-month-old pinto American Saddlebred filly Cassie just had
    her first trip this weekend.  She'd only been hauled once before at the
    age of 7 months.  She was perfect, thus begins the brag...

    Apologies for the bandwidth, but I was bustin' with pride!

    -Michelle
    -Maggie( 17-year-old chestnut American Saddlebred )
    -Cassie( the wonder horse, Maggie's daughter )

No apologies necessary.  Sounds like you have a good start on
your horse.  Just wait till she sees her first llama.

Wendy
From: GISELA.HEIMSATH-RHODES@OFFICE.WANG.COM ("Gisela Heimsath-Rhodes")
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Bucky needs buddy/buddies
Date: 28 Jul 92 18:32:41 GMT
Organization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs


I have been reading this news group for a while and really enjoyed it.
 (Compared to other newsgroups I appreciate the nice and friendly way
of giving advice, help and sharing of stories here). Anyhow here comes
my story:
 My dream came true and I was able to buy a property with 20 acres, build a bar
n (5 stalls) and I will move my horse next week there. Now I need a buddy for h
im, because nothing (almost nothing) is worse than a lonely horse. So if anybod
y is interested in boarding at a brandnew barn with a large riding ring, plenty
 of pasture and miles of trails (500 acres of conservation land, state park etc
), sharing ups and downs while training horses (I am particularly interested in
 dressage..still on training level... jumping, trail riding, ground work etc)
 please contact me:
       Gisela.heimsath-rhodes@wang.office.com (e-mail)

 or:
       White Oak Farm
       Gisela Heimsath-Rhodes
       411 North Street
       Jefferson, MA 01522
       508-829-0611 (home)
       508-967-7691 (work)
From: jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: Re: IN SEARCH OF RIDING!
Keywords: Riding without a guide
Date: 28 Jul 92 21:42:23 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <13636@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> pallas@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Sarah Pallas) writes:
>  Trail riding has become as activity
>that is designed ONLY for people who've never been on a horse
>before, and therefore wouldn't be capable of trotting or of
>knowing when to rest the horse.  I think this is detrimental
>to the whole sport, as it reduces the interest of people who
>ride better than that.  

YES, this is exactly my beef with guided trail rides.  It's not the guide per se
that bothers me -- it's that guided trail rides are always maddenlying
dull nose-to-tail rides at a slow walk, on horses who are deaf, dumb, and
blind to every aid, in the company of 20 people who mostly don't know or
care about horses.  It's the *level* of the ride that's so frustrating.

Guided trail rides are just fine if the ride is geared to more advanced 
riders, but that's nearly impossible to find.  The best trail ride I ever had 
was guided, and had only 3 people -- the guide, me, and my friend.  The
horses were fit and responsive, the guide knew all about the landscape and
was a friendly guy, and we got to stop, look around, take pictures, do several
long trots and a couple canters (this was an all-day ride).

And as for "if you're a good rider, you'd have a horse", I second what 
someone else said -- I CAN'T AFFORD IT.  I *can* afford lessons fairly
regularly (6 mos. out of the year) but riding in a ring gets dull sometimes
and doesn't satisfy my hankering to be out on a trail, see the scenery,
and feel what it's like to ride in a straight line for more than 60 meters.
(Most of the lesson stables I've ridden at never let students use
school horses for trail rides, so that's not an option either.)

I do sympathize with the stable's concerns for the horses' safety and 
liability, but it's still frustrating.

BTW, I find it kind of amusing that I can't find a decent guided trail ride
or a non-guided ride anywhere across the U.S. (well, it seems that way
sometimes! :-)   except for right in the middle of New York City!  
Claremont Stables, right off Central Park, still lets people that they've
never seen before go out alone with horses through the NYC traffic to
the bridle trails on Central Park.  Amazing.  The horses I've ridden there
have been responsive and well-mannered, too (and I'm always careful to
ride them lightly and bring them back cool!)

Kathleen
jespah@u.washington.edu
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"And this is a tiny radiotransmitter.  It transmits tiny radios through
 the air to this tiny radio receiver."
From: mdresser@pbs.org (Melanie Dresser)
Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
Subject: yawning ?
Date: 23 Jul 92 14:10:39 EDT
Organization: PBS:Public Broadcasting Service, Alexandria, VA


I just read something in a magazine last night and I
just had to post and get comments.  it said that horses
can't yawn.  But I know that when Quest is bored and
is forced to stand and wait for something (like the
farrier or braiding) he starts yawning--and he yawns
really big too.  Could this be something other than yawning,
or could it be that horses really do yawn?

Also, I've noticed this past year that Quest is getting
a really loose lower lip--almost flappy when he's really
relaxed.  Does this just happen as they get older, or is
he just getting lazier as he gets older?  :-)

Any comments?

Melanie
   and Quest
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Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: jcarey@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (John Carey)
Subject: Re: Equine Viral Arteritis - quarantine in New England, corrected
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 15:12:07 GMT

FMD is NOT highly lethal.  That is part of the problem in getting rid of
it.  THe animals just do not put on weight, and infect other animals.
Even if they recover, immunity only lasts a few months so they get 
reinfected.  Animals can be vaccinated but the vaccine only lasts 
a couple of months also. Maybe you were thinking of anthrax which of 
course is highly lethal.

Newsgroups: rec.equestrian
From: aviator@athena.mit.edu (Joakim Karlsson)
Subject: Hard/Soft mouth?
Organization: Flight Transportation Associates, Cambridge, MA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:12:17 GMT

Hi,

This is probably a dumb question, but, how does one go about judging the
hardness/softness of your horses' mouth?  For example, I ride quite a
few horses besides my own and have ridden some iron mouthed brutes with
"no brakes" so can tell a definite hard-mouthed horse, and also have
ridden a few (many less than the hard-mouthed ones) professionally trained
horses with very sensitive, nice mouths, but my horse acts differently
depending on his mood/environment etc.  He stops very nicely in the ring,
but on the trail he can be slower about stopping, but always does.
Partly I think because he is a bit hot and cantering fast is *so*
much fun to him...:)

I remember when I got him a year ago he was perfect about stopping, but
he was a couple hundred pounds under-weight and so had less energy.
He's on a relatively mild western bit, a tom thumb snaffle with a curb
chain.  I did try him on an english egg-but snaffle a few times,
which he stopped well on in the ring, but not so well on the trail, it
took longer for him to listen to me telling him to stop on the eggbut,
which is quite thick.  Does this mean he has a hard mouth? Any advice
would be appreciated.  E-mail if possible,

Thanks!

Karen Karlsson

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