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From: rkn@Apple.COM (Richard K. Nordin)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: A Story
Keywords: Japan Bonsai Omiya
Date: 16 Sep 92 00:13:29 GMT
Organization: Cybernetic Arts

Serendipity

So, 10 years ago, there I was in Tokyo. I hadn't planned on having extra
time to see some bonsai. I called the English-language tourist information
and was directed to Omiya Koen, an hour away (and a couple subway and train
transfers).

I almost got off at Omiya, but hung on until Omiya Koen station. I left
the station and hadn't a clue where to go next. I flagged a cab and with
my incredibly fractured Japanese described a bonsai nursery. The driver
finally figured out what I was getting at and drove me the half block to
the nurseries. No wonder he had trouble understanding! The nurseries were
right next to the station.

There was a little map posted, with a half-dozen nurseries shown. I had
no idea which to visit. I had time, really, to visit but one. I randomly
picked a victim and wandered in. 

Wow! Words fail to describe what I saw. Everywhere I turned were incredibly
beautiful trees. There were many forests of trees, most planted on huge
slabs of rock, and some big enough to require a half-dozen strong people
to carry.

I met an older Japanese gentleman and managed to describe to him that I
had about a dozen bonsai in America. I think he understood. He seemed
very pleased. I managed to convey my appreciation for what I was seeing.
After a couple hours of browsing, I had to go. But, on the way out, I broke
down and bought a 15-piece set of tools. They were expensive (but, I felt
better later when I saw the terrific price I could pay for the same set in
the US).

When I got back to the US, in my mailbox was the Summer 1982 issue of
the ABS Bonsai Journal. Of course it had an article about "...Independent
Bonsai Rambling in Japan". Wish I had had it when I was there. Anyway, to
my surprise, the article aims one at Omiya to see the Bonsai Village--
"Center of the Universe for the Bonsai Enthusiast". It describes garden
#5--the one I had randomly picked--as perhaps the most interesting in
Omiya Village. It described the owner, Saburo Kato, as a master. I 
wondered if that was who I talked to. Bingo! In a subsequent issue a
picture of Kato Sensei confirmed my suspicion. He had even shown me
an area that must have been what the article described as his private
collection!

Of all the pure luck! If I had prepared at all, I couldn't have done any
better. I just wish I had had a day or two to spend in Omiya to visit all
the gardens! 

If you're in Japan, don't miss it.
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Hud Nordin
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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: logerius@psykoman.cs.hut.fi (Lord Logerius of Angmar)
Subject: Re: Pruning question
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 21:38:42 GMT

In <1992Sep15.140538.20732@cs.nott.ac.uk> cczcole@mips.nott.ac.uk (Marlon Cole) writes:

>    The bonsai I've lost in the past have either been (I think) because of lack of watering during
>Summer or prolonged cold during Winter - I was wondering about eg. bringing them indoors on especially
>cold nights this Winter and then sticking them outside again in the morning - anyone think this is a
>good or bad idea?

 IMO it would definately be a bad idea,as bringing the poor tree suddenly 
from -15C to +15 wouldn't be healthy to it.What I have read on the
subject,the bonsai might stop their wintering and decide that it once 
again is growing season (Maybe not if it is inside only for night or two,
but in any case the trees have accustomed to cold and it wouldn't be 
healthy to bring them suddenly inside)

  It might be good to bring the trees to some shelter (or build one),
where it doesn't get too cold.

  I put my bonsai between two window glasses as the winter approaches,
even in midwinter,the air between glasses is not too cold,but it 
is cold enought to allow the bonsai to think it is winter.
 It is also nice to be able to watch as the bonsai drops it's leaves




Patrick
From: sorita@fhl.fujitsu.co.jp (Megumi Sorita)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: office growing
Date: 10 Sep 92 02:17:10 GMT
	<urf.715944636@sw2001>
Organization: Fujitsu Ltd., Tokyo, Japan.


Hi, I am very happy to see the word "bonsai", 
because it's a Japanese word.

In Japan, bonsai is popular.  I don't do it, but I can ask anyone who does.

BTW,,,
If I can say it bonsai to grow cactus, It's the best to grow in your office.


                                                 sorita@fhl.fujitsu.co.jp
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: g88m0396@alpha.ru.ac.za (Jon-Dean Mountjoy)
Subject: Re: Pruning question
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 08:22:01 GMT

Hi

Shouldn't the bonsai be kept outside?
I thought that this is what is 'standard'. 
They are TREES in a sense, and TREES don't grow
inside.

J-D
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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: kwebb@sedona.intel.com (Kreg Webb)
Subject: books and mags
Originator: kwebb@sedona
Organization: Intel Corporation
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 15:58:16 GMT


I have found the following list of books and
mags to be wuite helpfull.

International Bonsai
pub. by
The international Bonsai Arboreum
412 Pinnacle Road
Rochester, New York 14623

Phone (716) 334-2595

I think there are 6 or 8 issues per year.

Books:

The Complete Book of Bonsai
by Harry Tomlinson

Four Seasons of Bonsai
by Kyuzo Murata


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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: bartlone@gemed (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Subject: Re: Bonsai magazines and shops
Reply-To: bartlone@gemed.ge.com (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee,  WI
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 15:22:13 GMT

jervis.1@nd.edu (R.allen Jervis) states...
in message  <jervis.1-100992074516@opsmac2.cc.nd.edu.> jervis.1@nd.edu
(R.allen Jervis) states...

>I subscribe to Bonsai Today Magazine and like it a lot, how about the rest
>of you? Any favorites?

Could you PLEASE post the address to subscribe to this magazine? I've
never seen it on the local news racks!
                                                 Mike
ps: You could e-mail it to me too...
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From: crgoc@orlando.uk.cray.com (Gary O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Amount of Root Needed
Organization: Cray Research (UK) Ltd
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 04:25:57 GMT
X-Posted-From: orlando.uk.cray.com
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <37034@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, fishwick@fish.cis.ufl.edu (Paul Fishwick) writes:
|> About 6 months ago, I tried to start a bonsai tree by taking a seedling.
|> Unfortunately, it did not do well, and I think it might have been due to
|> the amount of root that I took with the plant when I pulled it out of
|> the ground (hardly any at all). About what length of root material do
|> you need to replant a seedling? Should I try to pull out a substantial
|> part of the original root system?
|> 

   Preferably don't PULL out the seedling, ease it out gently, fuck the roots
   you fuck the plant.
   You should'nt really start any kind of Bonsai process untill the plant is
   pretty well grown and woody.

|> One other question: what is a good fast growing plant/tree that makes
|> the "bonsai process" shorter? I would prefer taking things that grow
|> in my back yard if possible.
|> 
   Quite a lot of shrubs are good, purely because they are shrubs not tree's.
   remember just because they are small does'nt mean they mature faster, an
   oak tree will still take 20-30 years to grow properly whether 20 inches
   or 100 ft.
   Rhododendron are fairly fast growing during summer, though the flowers 
   tend to spoil the effect IMHO.

|> -paul
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|> 
|> 
|> 

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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: bartlone@gemed (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Subject: Good starter stock available
Reply-To: bartlone@gemed.ge.com (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee,  WI
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 19:27:21 GMT


Over the weekend, the local K-mart store (National Ave and Moreland
for those in the Milwaukee area) had a sale on some really nice
starter stock..of course they had them labeled as 'Selected shrubs',
but I couldn't pass up dwarf chinese junipers (juniperis chinensis
procumbins nana) for $3.00. I am not sure if they still have them,
or if all of the k-marts have them etc, so you may want to call...
The one I picked will be getting trained cascade style..or at least
part of it will..there may be enough for me to divide it and have my 
very own two for one!
Sorry for the late notice, but I didn't have access to my account over
the weekend...
						Mike

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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: pmalenfa@kitkat.webo.dg.com (Paul Malenfant)
Subject: Pruning question
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 15:35:35 GMT
Reply-To: pmalenfa@kitkat.webo.dg.com (Paul Malenfant)
Organization: Data General Corporation, Westboro, MA

I have a Serissa that grows very well indoors.  It grows so well that
it needs frequent pruning to keep its shape.  My problem is that
my pruning must be removing very young buds because it does not
flower nearly as much as it should.  Older buds are obvious and can
be left alone.

How do you tell that a shoot can be safely trimmed without removing
something important?

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From: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu (Michael Robinson)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Cuttings
Date: 8 Sep 1992 20:52:27 GMT
Organization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu
Originator: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU

There are all sorts of wonderful trees on campus (dawn redwood, sequoia,
spruce, etc.) that I would like to attempt to clone.  Does anyone have any
advice for getting cuttings from trees like this to root?

Many thanks.


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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: rkn@Apple.COM (Richard K. Nordin)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Re: Books on Bonsai (was Is there a FAQ . . . )
Keywords: Bonsai Magazine Book
Date: 14 Sep 92 23:12:06 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cybernetic Arts

"Bonsai" -- Journal of the American Bonsai Society
 Quarterly, ca. 30 pages
Annual membership fee: individual $18, student $11
Information: ABS Executive Sec.  Box 358,  Keene  NH  03431

"Bonsai Clubs International"
6/Year, 60 pages
Annual Dues $25
Magazine office: PO Box 1326  Ft. Walton Beach,  FL  32549   (904 862-4619)

Several of the books already mentioned are good. My favorite is:

"Bonsai Techniques" by John Yoshio Naka

Published for the Bonsai Institute of California, PO Box 78211
Los Angeles  CA  90016

The Bonsai Clubs International sells it for $25.
ABS-BCI Book Service 
C/O Vernon Weeks   Dept "B"
3740 Louisiana Ave. N.  New Hope  MN  55427

The ad in BCI for the book service lists some 30 items. I'll post
if anyone likes.

As for why I like Naka's book: I like the illustrations. They are
mostly line drawings, and provide more useful information than
photographs. (If I were editor, I'd indicate more clearly when an
illustration is of something NOT to do. Often the "wrongs" look
nearly as good as the "rights". A pass through the book with a
red marker fixed that problem.) The book does have a lot of well-
organized and useful information. It also has a few color plates
for inspiration. And now that I scan through it I see the picture
of "GOSHIN" a seven-tree forest of junipers that was on display
(with a greater complement of trees in the "forest") at the
Bonsai pavillon of the National Arboretum in D.C. When I viewed
it, nobody was around to stop me, and I just had to reach over the
fence and touch it (gently!!) so compelling was its beauty. As
I recall, it was a gift to the arboretum (or maybe it was just on
loan). Anyway, the guy's good!

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Cybernetic Arts                rkn@apple.com
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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: redel@shannon.ee.wits.ac.za (Dean Redelinghuys)
Subject: Re: Pruning question
Organization: Electrical Engineering, University of the Witwatersrand
Date: 15 Sep 92 08:48:47 GMT

In <g88m0396.716545321@alpha.ru.ac.za> g88m0396@alpha.ru.ac.za (Jon-Dean Mountjoy) writes:

>Shouldn't the bonsai be kept outside?
>I thought that this is what is 'standard'. 
>They are TREES in a sense, and TREES don't grow
>inside.

Well, yes and no. Yes, they are trees, but no, they shouldn't necessarily 
be kept outdoors. The only problem is that they will most likely _not_be_
able_to_grow_indoors. Here in sunnsy South Africa we can only grow an
indigenous species (Acacia) indoors - the rest all die from overheating.
If you live in a cold or cool climate, then they may actually _thrive_
indoors.


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Newsgroups: alt.vampyres
From: jordan@cs.tulane.edu (Misti Jordan)
Subject: Re: PERFECT INTERVIEW CAST
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 03:43:26 GMT
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-17044]: sparta


In article <19628aINN7rg@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, kat@emilio.WPI.EDU (Flame's Passion) writes:
> In article <xb9yx-+@rpi.edu> battlec@cs.rpi.edu (Clark Battle) writes:
> >     LESTAT:  JULIAN SANDS OR THAT BLONDE GUY FROM TREMORS
>
> >     LEWIS:   CHRISTIAN SLATER, JOHNNY DEPP
> >
> >     CLAUDIA: THE GIRL WHO PLAYED WEDNESDAY IN THE ADDAMS FAMILY MOVIE

First of all, it's been a while since I read the book, but wasn't one of
the vampires dark and the other light (blonde...). It seems like Lestat
was blonde and Louis was more dark and mysterious. Anyway, I have no
idea who Julian Sands is. I know that I read a book, called _Intervention_
that was written by him, but I don't know what he looks like. I do not
think that I could handle watching Kevin Bacon (from Tremors) in the role
of a vampire. Not a serious role anyway. Christian Slater I will quickly
disagree with, although I do enjoy looking at him very much. His voice, as
someone else posted, is just too awkward to have him play a "romantic"
role. Johnny Depp I am not sure about. He does have the voice, but I'm
not sure about the look. My choice for a Vampire would be Brian Bloom.
I saw him several years ago on a soap opera (As the World Turns) and he
has always struck me as a sinister, yet romantic looking person. He has
dark black hair and the clearest crystal blue eyes you've ever seen.
And, to top it all off, he has a deep voice-- the kind you could fall
asleep listening to. As for Claudia, I don't know. I haven't seen the
Addams Family, but wasn't Wednesday dark-haired. I seem to remember
Claudia having blonde curls and being a very innocent and naive looking
little girl. I picture the girl from Firestarter, although she`s too old
IMO. (Actually, I picture Shirley Temple...) Anyway, I can't wait to see
who is actually chosen...

Meow...
Misti
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: edmtl@alf.uib.no (Thor Legvold)
Subject: Re: What is this for?
Organization: University of Bergen, Norway
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 14:51:59 GMT

In article <BuAtpG.GG3@unios.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> klaus@vidar.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Klaus Zeppenfeld) writes:
>I'm wondering for which purpose this newsgroup was created. I've read until
>now only one useful question about bonsais and many less useful comments.
>
>Are there any really enthusiastic bonsai fans in the net ???

Hai
Yes
Ja
Da
Si
Oui

>
>Klaus
>

Regards,
Thor
From: rkn@Apple.COM (Richard K. Nordin)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Leguminosae
Date: 9 Sep 92 07:27:34 GMT
Organization: Cybernetic Arts


OK. Anyone out there have any experience with the legume family of trees?

I don't see them much as bonsai. I only recall one journal carrying an
article about some Texas legume. 

I've got about a hundred seedlings growing, of probably a dozen species.
I'll see how they do. Many have really small leaflets that would seem
to lend themselves to bonsai, despite the fact that the actual leaf
can verge on the order of large. Some of the varieties, especially
those from desert climes have tiny leaflets and small leaves, though.

I've had a thing for acacia-like foilage for as long as I can remember.
Before I got into bonsai, I was a serious fern freak. I read once that
when people are told to draw an "ideal" tree shape, frequently the
lines of an acacia appear. Maybe it's because our distant ancestors
had a real affinity for them, as they were real convenient when the
lions came looking for dinner.

So, any experience? Do I have a hundred potential charming bonsai
growing out there on the deck, or am I going to have to set them
free some day, to live a natural life?


-Hud Nordin    rkn@apple.com

"Bonsai? How can you have that much patience?"
"Patience is for things you do not enjoy doing."
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Cybernetic Arts                rkn@apple.com
Post Office Box 2066           Telephone: 408.248.0377
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From: baum@psl.wisc.edu
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Baobabs
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:06:44 GMT
Reply-To: baum@psl.wisc.edu
Organization: University of Wisconsin - Physical Science Lab

Does anyone know whether Baobabs (_Adansonia_ species) can be
bonsaied? Are they easy? Any special tips?
				David Baum
				Botany Dept.
				University of Wisconsin
				Madison, WI 53706
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: bartlone@gemed (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Subject: Wintering junipers and boxwoods
Reply-To: bartlone@gemed.ge.com (Mike Bartolone 5-4266)
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Milwaukee,  WI
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 21:55:29 GMT


I'm in a bit of a bind...I have three junipers (juniperus chinensis pfisterana?)
and a boxwood (buxus microphilia koreana) that I started a little over a
month ago. All of the junipers are on the large side. One juniper is
planted 'ishizuki' style and the other are planted in a more standard
method. However, I live in an apartment building and so I am worried about
where and how I should winter them. I've heard a few people say that
the junipers will do just fine indoors under the lights, but what about
the boxwood? And even with a plant that will do well indoors all year, 
should I find a place for a 'short winter' sometime early next spring
perhaps?                                     Mike

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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: varmart@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Reji Martin)
Subject: Re: Is there a FAQ or FTP site for a beginner?
Organization: University of Prince Edward Island
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 12:10:56 GMT





	I also know that there isn't a FAQ but as for books
	on the subject there are a lot!
	
	There are two by PAUL LESNIEWICZ that I know of that
	will help all from beginner to master! 

	1) 
	   BONSAI
	   The Complete Guide to Art & Technique

	2) 
	   Indoor Bonsai

	Both are published by Blandford Press

	Another favourite of mine is;

	  The Creative Art of Bonsai
	  by Isabelle & Remy Samson
	  Ward Lock Ltd  ISBN 0 7063 7024 4


	I hope these books will help and good luck !



     The      O
     Wheel   /-
     Brat   ( )\_	varmart@atlas.cs.upei.ca

     Reji Martin,   Prince Edward Island, Canada
From: chris@intelhf.hf.intel.com (Chris Houghton)
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
Subject: Walnut Bonsai
Summary: Seeking Advice on Bonsai'ing a Walnut Tree
Keywords: WALNUT
Date: 9 Sep 92 20:44:05 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp., Hillsboro, OR

I have a walnut tree i've grown from seed. It's 2 years old and about
1 foot tall.  It has been in a large pot so far (24 inch) but I have
no place on the property for a full-size walnut.  I'ld like to try
bonsai or, if that's inappropriate, at least keep it pot sized.

Has anyone succeeded (or abjectly failed) trying bonsai with a walnut tree?
Advice and anecdotes welcomed.

Chris H.
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Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: alex@bnkc08.QE.Bell.CA (Alex Laney)
Subject: Re: I had to ask.....
Organization: Bell Canada -- OD Information Architectures
Distribution: bell
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 16:31:50 GMT

In article <1992Sep7.211624.11795@cs.hut.fi>, logerius@psykoman.cs.hut.fi (Patrick Buchert) writes:

>    BTW I just dug up a fine bonsai month ago from the wilds.
> It's about 50cm tall pine ..... absolutely beatiful,
> I'd estimate it's age about 20 years,but it could be way older.
>   I think it should wait until next summer before I dare to 
> prune it at all,or maybe I won't touch it.
>  Any expirience on pruning pines,how,why,when ??
> 
> 
> 
> Log

Couldn't leave it ALONE?
Newsgroups: alt.bonsai
From: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: HELP
Reply-To: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 20:53:53 GMT

I have a friend who gave me a bonsai a few months ago... and he had
had it for a few months when he bought it.  It is quite small... about
5 or 6 inches high and about 7 inches wide.  I know VERY little about
how to care for the tree, and I do not want it to die. I have been doing
nothing for it other than watering it and so far it seems healthy.
It has not grown noticably, and I'm wondering what I should do about trimming
it, and should I be using some sort of plant food?  How much should be trimm-
ed.... and how often.  I believe it is a spruce (of some sort). If anyone
can be of any help, I would greatly appreciate it. 

						Thanks in advance,
						Todd S.
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