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From: butler@cs.tulane.edu (Larry Butler)
Subject: Re: Can't compile xloadimage with gcc 2.2.2d
Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-29416]: rex
Organization: Computer Science Dept., Tulane Univ., New Orleans, LA
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 21:20:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.053656.27903@serval.net.wsu.edu> hlu@phys1.physics.wsu.edu (Hongjiu Lu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug20.020114.17143@cs.tulane.edu>, butler@cs.tulane.edu (Larry Butler) writes:
>|> When I try to compile xloadimage with gcc 2.2.2d I get:
>|> ld: No such file or directory for libXext.a
>|>
>|> Any ideas?
>|>
>|> Larry    (butler@cs.tulane.edu)
>
>PLEASE READ release.2.2.2d.
>PLEASE READ release.2.2.2d.
>PLEASE READ release.2.2.2d.
>PLEASE READ release.2.2.2d.
>PLEASE READ release.2.2.2d.
>PLEASE READ release.2.2.2d.
>PLEASE READ release.2.2.2d.
>PLEASE READ release.2.2.2d.
>PLEASE READ release.2.2.2d.
>PLEASE READ release.2.2.2d.
>PLEASE READ release.2.2.2d.
>
>You cannot use gcc 2.2.2d with X11 v1.1.
>
>--
>H.J.
>Gcc/libc maintainer for Linux.

I thought that ment that X itself couldn't be compiled with gcc 2.2.2d.
In that case could someone e-mail me the xloadimage or xv binaries?

Thanks,
Larry
From: Emmett.Sauer@f215.n3802.z1.fidonet.org (Emmett Sauer)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Linux Standards (was: Stabilizing Linux)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 19:27:00 -0800

MF> Ok guys, what say someone organises a whip around to pay off
MF> this beast.
MF> It seems to me that there are an awful lot of people around
MF> that are
MF> using Linux, and getting a lot of fun and interest out of it,
MF> and for a
MF> small trouble we could pay off the machine, and allow Linus's
MF> mind
MF> fuller scope to spend on the problem in hand rather than the
MF> monthly payments
MF> on the box. Perhaps as a gesture of saying 'thanx'. I realise
MF> that there are many
MF> other people that also contribute, but after all, Linus started
MF> this game.
I fully agree.... add my thanks to the list... for a super system and
more!

Emmett

emmett@tenet.edu

Advanced BBS.... Victoria Texas.....

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: formatting
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:15:04 GMT

Robert Tracy (tracy@bluenote.b23b.ingr.com) wrote:

: In article <1992Aug12.015419.2738@athena.mit.edu>, hammond@kwhpc.caseng.com (Kevin W. Hammond) writes:

: |> How will this be accomplished under Linux?  The 0.97 README states that a
: |> formatted floppy is needed.  What program should be used to format the disk?

: With Linux, if you have a bootimage file which you want to put on a
: floppy, the floppy doesn't need to be formatted.  You can simply
: execute the command:
: 
: $ cat bootimage > /dev/PS0

Huh?  <disbelieving stare>  Where did *you* learn your CS?? :)

Yes, the floppy needs to be formatted, so the diskette knows where to put
things.  It doesn't need to be formatted with FORMAT, just formatted.
-- 
Ed Carp, N7EKG     erc@apple.com                801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it  goes  on  forever.   Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will."           -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: david@ods.com (David Engel)
Subject: Re: shared libs - can everyone be happy with this?
Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:13:11 GMT

william E Davidsen (davidsen@ariel.crd.GE.COM) wrote:
: In article <1992Aug17.065450.28834@colorado.edu>, drew@ophelia.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) writes:
: 
: | Boom.  You've just dirtied that page, and it is no longer 
: | shareable.  So, instead of having > 200K shared between all
: | of your shells, you have closer to 800K (Who has less than
: | 4 shells running at a time).  Not a good thing (tm).
: 
:   Well, no, actually. Since the new version of the page is still valid
: for all processes it would still be sharable. And it would not have to
: be saved somewhere in the unlikely event that it gets paged out, because
: the unmodified varsion is still perfectly valid.

No, it wouldn't be shareable.  When a process writes to a shared page,
it gets its very own copy of it which is no longer shared.  There is a
term for this that you probably already know, but others may not.  It's
called Copy-On-Write.

David
-- 
David Engel                        Optical Data Systems, Inc.
david@ods.com                      1101 E. Arapaho Road
(214) 234-6400                     Richardson, TX  75081
From: thompsn@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Adam Thompson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: What the 17" monitor
Date: 22 Aug 92 22:28:40 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada


This no longer belongs in comp.os.linux... but I really don't have a clue 
where to put it...

In <4323.70.uupcb@digund.uucp> copernicus@digund.uucp (Copernicus)  writes:
>I have a Seiko CM-2050 at work and the picture is great.  However when
>you first turn it on for about the next 30 minutes the picture has a
>slight swim to it until the power supply stabilizes.  I love it.  Just
>wish I could bring it home.

That's not the power supply -- does it make a sort of humming noise while
doing this?  I can almost guarantee you that this is merely the degaussing
circuitry at work.  The purpose of degaussing is to realign (internally) 
the monitor with ambient magnetic fields.  You may have experienced at some
time (usually with older, larger monitors) that after _moving_ them, or
turning them more than about 15 degrees, that the color kinda goes funny
for a while?  That's because the monitor had adjusted itself to the magnetic
field patterns around it in its previous position.  Then, you shift the 
field's orientation, and it takes a while before the interaction nullifies.

Degaussing circuitry somehow makes this readjustment automatic, and only
turns on when it detects the neccesssity(sp?) to do so.  If you have another
monitor nearby, have it turned on, turn on the seiko, degauss it, then
turn them both off, and then turn the seiko *only* back on, you will notice
that the colors may be shifted funny, or get effects similar to when you
hold a magnet to a TV screen...  We had acouple of monitors that were next
to usesless -- because they had to be degaussed manually!  Once we learned 
what that little button was for, presto! Three perfect-condition 21" analog/
RGB multisync monitors! :-) (stop drooling!)

-Adam Thompson
 thompsn@ccu.umanitoba.ca
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu (David Giller)
Subject: Re: Bus Mouse Tester > not working > WORKING
Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 12:34:39 GMT

viggo@diku.dk (Allan Kim Schougaard) wrote:
>I have changed the setting to IRQ5 and... (wait for it) It works!!
>So MicroSoft BusMouse *does* work under Linux, and very well.

Well, that's news.  Good news at that.

>When I change the speed to 10Mhz even the 'cat /dev/bm' workes, but at
>40Mhz it doesn't (and I haven't a clue as to why not). 
>The mouse testprogram takes a littel time to start but then keeps
>scrolling, action or no action. And ofcause X works.

If there are no mouse events pending, the mouse port gives a 'try again'
error (I think, it's been a while.  But it returns some appropriate
error) which cat chokes on.  My guess is that at 10MHz, the mouse generates
interrupts as fast as the CPU can take them (or rather, the CPU can't get
too far ahead).

>I also have a trackball on COM1, and before changing the IRQ on the
>BusMouse that didn't work either. Now it works too (!?!)
>But when using the mouse testprogram the program only displays new
>data when the ball is moved.
>
>The point is that I would hate to have X receiving and processing a
>lot of parcels saying "no movement". Can I check if this is the case?
>And if so, how can I change it ?

At one time, the mouse driver did that.  But, now it only gives X data
when it is there.  Big difference in perfoamance, you might say.

I don't know why the mouse test program works that way.  I haven't really
looked at it in a while.  But X works, at least for me, as well as
(better, IMHO, because I like high mouse-interrupt rates) a serial
mouse.

-Dave

-- 
David Giller, Box 134 | Q: How many Oregonians does it take to screw in a light
Occidental College    | bulb?  A: Three.  One to replace the bulb, and two to
1600 Campus Road      | fend off all the Californians trying to share the
Los Angeles, CA 90041 | experience. ---------------------------rafetmad@oxy.edu
From: jjk1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Konsultant Josh/fuzzy.happy.green.box)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Complete ignorance of the concept of free software
Date: 12 Aug 92 20:24:50 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <1992Aug12.104449.18234@athena.mit.edu>, f6930910@scheme.cs.ubc.ca writes:
>Hi.  I had no idea of how ignorant the Linux community is of the
>general concept of "free" software (in the FSF sense).  The discussion
>regarding a linux disk distribution of a lousy $60 bucks was/is
>simply incredible.  I guess this is beacuse many (or most) of the
>linux group come for the DOS/PC world where you try to axe out
>your competition through protectionism (this includes, IMHO, the
>shareware concept), and have not seen the long discussions on
>gnu.misc.discuss.

Just a minute - before you condemn the whole lot, make sure you know
what you're saying.  The Linux community is not "ignorant" of such
things as the FSF and GNU Copyleft.  At least not the *ENTIRE*
community as you imply.  Some of us even read g.m.d (hope this doesn't
shock you).

>Please, please, please... Read the GNU copyleft and the GNU Manifesto.
>These are available onprep.ai.mit.edu.

This is a good suggestion for those who already haven't.

>I agree.  Keep Linux free.  I can mail you a disk distribution
>for $650 + appropriate taxes and handling. (no smilie)

Yes, there are many of us who agree with you.  I didn't respond to the
discussion regarding $60 for disk copying (which personally I wouldn't
pay) simply because I didn't feel it was worth discussing.  By nature,
wouldn't you expect that someone who isn't bothered by the $60 thing
isn't going to post about it?

No need to flame the world over the actions of a few!  (smilie IMPLICIT)

--Josh
-- 
____________------------===========------------____________
                     from: Josh Kopper
                      jjk1@lehigh.edu
    
  Computer Engineering, EECS Department, Lehigh University

  Systems Programming - Lehigh University Computing Center
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mdr4@po.CWRU.Edu (Mark D. Rutherford)
Subject: killing a process
Reply-To: mdr4@po.CWRU.Edu (Mark D. Rutherford)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 18:09:07 GMT


I know to kill a process you use the "kill" command.  But to use the
kill command, you need the process id number.  How do I find out
the pid number?  I couldn't find the "ps" command on any of the FTP
sites.

Thanks

MArk

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: pmacdona@tadpole.bcsc.gov.bc.ca (Owner of this machine)
Subject: shared libs
Reply-To: pmacdona@tadpole.bcsc.gov.bc.ca (Owner of this machine)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 23:33:49 GMT

At last count, I understood that jump tables do nothing to solve the
library data problem.  Has that been solved?   If so, just adding
jump table support to GCC, won't solve the problem.  Sorry to burst
your bubble, but as one who worked on implementing shared libs for
linux, and one of the first to admit it has warts, every wart has
a positive side.

First, jump tables have a performance hit.   And using them may
never work, since the change of one interface will screw the upgrade.
Worse, if an interface changes without us realizing it, then our 
programs could just start acting strange (far worse than broken).

The current implementation of shared libs has two main characteristics:
simple and reliable.

Of course, I would love to be told I am wrong :-)
From: kenney@milton.u.washington.edu (Michael Kenney)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:52:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: u.1992Aug12.165243.21245
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle

In article <1992Aug12.055133.11077@athena.mit.edu> jwiegand@moe.eng.temple.edu writes:
>By the above definition, neither MSDOS nor VM nor any of the earlier
                                  ^^^^^
>DEC OS's would be considered 'operating systems'.
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

MESS-DOS an *operating system*???!!!  You must be joking!! :-) :-) :-).

-------
Mike Kenney
UW Applied Physics Lab
mikek@apl.washington.edu
From: liebgold@hougen.seas.ucla.edu (Dan M. Liebgold)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: XView, olvwm, and OLIT
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:18:01 GMT
Organization: SEASnet, University of California, Los Angeles



FTP to xview.ucdavis.edu for all of XView 3.0....


Dan Liebgold
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From: hlu@phys1.physics.wsu.edu (Hongjiu Lu)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: PLEASE  READ ME
Date: 17 Aug 92 17:50:17 GMT
Organization: Washington State University

>
>
>  Hlu, any program that uses "chmod" and is linked static gets an error
> from gcc "Undefined symbol _chmod" (I'm talking about 2.2.2d, of
> course). No problem if linking with the shared libs. (However, linking
> static but with libg has no problem. Does the static libc lack chmod?
> It should be there, shouldn't it?)
>
>  /M. Saggaf
>
>

If you didn't see this on tsx-11

-rw-r--r--  1 hj        1063683 Aug 17 13:45 2.2.2dmisc.tar.Z

This is what I did

cd /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.2.2d
ar -d libc.a __.SYMDEF
ranlib libc.a

BTW, the new one is good.

-- 
H.J.
Gcc/libc maintainer for Linux.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Subject: Re: SLS: now available (for testers)
Reply-To: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:13:00 GMT

   From: rhodesia@wixer.cactus.org (Felix S. Gallo)
   Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 18:41:15 GMT

   How 'available' will it be, considering the next paragraph in which
   you say that you don't actually have the source yourself?  If I buy
   your distribution, will you then, at no extra cost, send me the
   source?  Didn't think so.

   >You also seem to have erroneously assumed that I have such a source 
   >tree in my possession.....

Ahem.  The GPL does not state that you have to have and distribute a
source *tree*.  It merely states that you have to make the *sources*
available.  Do you understand the difference?

The GPL also does not require that you send the sources at no extra
cost, if they weren't included in the distribution.  It states that you
must provide them *at cost*.  You should read the GPL before you you
start flaming about it.  Peter has fulfilled this requirement.

I imagine he has the individual source packages which were posted by the
authors who made the original binary distributions, and that's what he's
making available.  He probably hasn't recompiled the binaries to make
sure they match the sources 100%, and is instead relying on the original
posters to make sure this is the case.

Do you have a problem with that?  After all, I do the same thing on
tsx-11, one of the major FTP sites for Linux in the U.S.  I have
neither the time nor inclination to make sure the posted sources and
binaries match up.  I hope you don't have a problem with it, because I
have NO intention of changing what I do just because some juvenile
flamer starts whining about what other people should do with their
donations of their time.

Now, will you all get off Peter's back?  He's doing the Linux community a
great service, and all he is getting is flames.  Sheesh!

								- Ted

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: chbarry@athena.mit.edu (Charles H. Barry)
Subject: Re: Troubles compiling lilo v3
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 17:42:16 GMT


I've been having the same problems compiling Lilo and ps-0.97 after
installinf v0.97 and v0.97pl1.  Could someone please post or email me
a description of the correct usr/include structure.

I've tried linking /usr/src/linux/include/linux to /usr/include/linux,
but that doesn't work.  All I get is a lot of redefinition errors
because both sys/types.h and linux/types.h are being included.  I've
also tried linking the sys directory in similar fashion but that
doesn't help either.


Thanks,
Chad Barry
chbarry@athena.mit.edu
From: sharman@Software.Mitel.COM (Richard Sharman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: The Third Degree
Date: 16 Aug 92 22:55:17 GMT
Organization: Mitel. Kanata (Ontario). Canada.
In-reply-to: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI's message of 14 Aug 92 20:54:08 GMT

Regarding inodes left around, Linus said:
  This can happen if you install a new version of a running program (like
  'init') and reboot.  The old 'init' is removed from the directory tree,
  but as it's still in use, neither the inode nor the blocks are actually
  reclaimed until the program is exited.  And in many cases (like /bin/sh
  or init or update), the program is never exited until the reboot has
  happened.  "fsck -a" should clear up the problem - or you should be more
  careful when rebooting with "deleted" programs still running. 

So, if one is installing a new init for example, what is the "proper"
way to do it?   Go ahead and then "fsck",  kill init and reboot,
or what?  I don't quite know what the "being more careful"
really means here.

Richard
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: afriend@der.Princeton.EDU (A. Friend)
Subject: SeaHaven Towers uploaded
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 18:32:00 GMT

The binary of "seahaven towers" is uploaded onto reggae.oit.unc.edu 
in X11/incoming.

It requires X11 and gcc2.2.2 shared libs to run.

This is a very addictive card game used to be played on Mac II's.

Enjoy.
From: dje@sspiff.ampr.ab.ca (Doug Evans)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: fcntl(F_SETLK, ...) implemented
Date: 17 Aug 92 20:06:48 GMT
Organization: Edmonton, Alberta
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

I have an implementation of fcntl(F_SETLK/F_SETLKW, F_GETLK, ...)
for those that want it. I hope to have it on tsx-11 shortly, but
until then, send me email if you want it.

I have also submitted it to Linus to be included in the next release.

The implementation is almost complete. It includes weird cases like locking
a big chunk and unlocking a piece in the middle. What's missing are

- deadlock detection
- mandatory locks

I view both of these as being of dubious merit, so do not intend to
implement them any time soon. HJ Liu is looking into implementing deadlock
detection.
-- 
Doug Evans               | "You're just supposed to sit here?"
dje@sspiff.ampr.ab.ca    |               - Worf in a mud bath.
From: hanson@pogo.fnal.gov (Steve Hanson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux support BBS- what happened?
Keywords: Linux, BBS, dial-up, broke
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:57:55 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: FERMILAB, Batavia, IL

In <1992Aug18.031209.9192@eskimo.celestial.com> shamus@eskimo.celestial.com (Jay Mottern) writes:


>What ever became of the Linux BBS on 508-793-9568? It was supposed to
>be for people with no Internet access so they could get Linux files.
>Everytime I call it, I handshake with a modem then nothing! My terminal
>doesn't echo local commands when I try to type anything. I hit enter
>a few times, still nada. I end up having to drop carrier and disconnect.
>-- 
>......................................................................
>shamus@eskimo.celestial.com            Jay Mottern in Sunny Seattle

>        Disclaimer: I didn't write this, Elvis did.
There are some alternatives.  You could try most of the
Fidonet BBS boards, many of which carry Linux stuff.
Or you could call (he says modestly) my bbs
(UNIX USER BBS) which is (at least for now) free
at (708)879-8633.  It's a little behind at the
moment, but I'm hoping to get caught up on things
this weekend, maybe putting up patch level 2 if
Linux gets it out in time for me to do it.  Otherwise
next week.
-- 
Steve Hanson - FERMILAB, Batavia, Il.
hanson@pogo.fnal.gov or hanson@fnal.fnal.gov
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us (Michael C. Loewen)
Subject: Re: getty_ps and modem carrier loss
Keywords: getty, modem, dialup
Organization: The Centre Programmers Unit BBS
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 16:22:04 GMT

In article <k-+n=9m.james@netcom.com> james@netcom.com (James L. Paul) writes:
>I'm using uugetty and getty from the getty_ps package with Linux 0.97.1
>Everything is working great, dialups are easy and the autobaud method is
>'charming.' However, I'm having trouble getting the shell (or whatever the
>current parent process is) to die when modem carrier is lost before logout.
>
>I have a smart modem, and am using &c1&d2&s1 for the relevant settings.
>     &c1 makes the DCD track the modem carrier status
>     &d2 disconnects in response to a DTR drop (not really relevant here)
>     &s1 makes the DSR follow EIA specs. (I thought this was the key, but no.)
>
>I need to generate a SIGHUP (I assume) to the process when a connection dies
>before logout, but this doesn't seem to be happening. How do I fix it?
>-- 
>James L. Paul
>
[.sig deleted]

   Check your /etc/gettydefs file, and make sure the entry you're using has
'HUPCL' added to it.  I'm running getty_ps on a SVR4 system, with the modem
locked at 19200 baud.  Here's an entry from my gettydefs:

19200USR# B19200 OPOST ONLCR TAB3 BRKINT IGNPAR IXON IXANY ISTRIP ECHO ECHOE 
ECHOK ICANON ISIG HUPCL CS8 CREAD # B19200 OPOST ONLCR TAB3 BRKINT IGNPAR IXON 
IXANY ISTRIP ECHO ECHOE ECHOK ICANON ISIG HUPCL CS8 CREAD #login: #19200USR

-- 
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mloewen@cpumagic.scol.pa.us         (814) 353-0566     V.32bis/HST
From: jjk1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Konsultant Josh/fuzzy.happy.green.box)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: bash & (literal) ESCape character
Date: 22 Aug 92 23:05:12 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

(This could be solved when I actually pull some stuff off the .97 root
disk as opposed to just using .97pl1+, but I would doubt it...)

When using bash, theoretically pressing \ before an ESC should give
you an escape character.  This is tremendously useful for things like
the echo sequence that will change the title bar of an xterm.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to enter an ESCape without the
shell interpreting it.  Does anyone have an easy solution, or is this
a bash recompilation-type of thing?

Thanks!




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                      jjk1@lehigh.edu
    
  Computer Engineering, EECS Department, Lehigh University

  Systems Programming - Lehigh University Computing Center
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux