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From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: ACC ROOKIES IN NBA
Date: 23 Nov 92 16:29:30 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <1992Nov23.151624.28582@wam.umd.edu>, emdynle@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Em Dyn chi co' em trong tim anh) writes:
|> From: emdynle@next01wor.wam.umd.edu (Em Dyn chi co' em trong tim anh)
|> 
|> It looks as though besides the Shaq, the two most productive rookies  
|> elsewhere have come from the ACC.  Walt Williams is doing very well  
|> although he doesn't start.  I expect him to be a starter soon.  Gugliotta  
|> is doing very well with the bullets also.  They have both helped their  
|> teams greatly.  I expect to see one of these teams with the last playoff  
|> slot and one back in the Lottery

Well, Gugliotta certainly has been a pleasant surprise, but I don't 
think that the Bullets have much of a shot at the playoffs. The 
Atlantic Division teams have gotten better ('cept Boston), and 
I doubt that they'll be doing anything except for bouncing ping
pong balls around at the end of the season.

Ron
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From: jkw3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jae K Woo)
Subject: bulls and the BLAZERS
Reply-To: jkw3@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Jae K Woo)
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 02:03:06 GMT


well agreed, its a bit early in the season, but I like another bulls and
BLAZERS(!!!!!!) final.  So I'm just curious about what people think
about the specific matchups now that there are a few new faces in both
teams.  Specifically, the matchups for each of the starting positions
and the first few guys off the bench...

oh, and by the way I'm not biased in any way (GO BLAZERS!!! 93 NBA CHAMPS!!)

jae
From: iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Lakers
Date: 20 Nov 92 14:45:54 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Here are my observations on the Lakers so far this season.  (I haven't been
able to see all the games so I hope someone who has can make some remarks).

1.  Divac should be benched for his inconsistency and be replaced by Elden
Campbell at the center position.  This will give the Lakers some much needed
defense in the low post.

2.  Scott seems to be quietly becoming a go-to guy now that there will be no
Magic.  He seems to be playing with more confidence now by taking the ball
to the hole more and shooting the open jumpers.

3.  Peeler was making a lot of rookie "mistakes" in the beginning of the season.Can anyone let me know how he is playing.  I know he was showing some improve-
ment.

4.  Do the Magic rumors to Italy have any substance?                

Any comments or info would be greatly appreciated.

Imran Qureshi
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From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: RE: Shaq on the Olympic Team...
Date: 19 Nov 92 21:15:06 GMT
Reply-To: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu
Organization: Duke U. Med. Ctr., Durham, NC

In article <1992Nov19.142431.1096@altair.selu.edu>, tmis1862@altair.selu.edu writes:
>No, wrong answer.  Last time they played in Baton Rouge O'Neal definetly
>won the battle.  While the game was close he held Laettner into being
>basically a non-factor.  At the end of the game, the stats were close
>but Laettner scored most of his points after the game was decided.

This is incorrect.  Laettner had two late three point bombs that put away
LSU.  He was a key player the entire game.  It is certainly true that
CL didn't humiliate Shaq the way he did in Cameron the previous year, but
CL hit the big shots at the end of the game and Shaq bricked free throw after
free throw.  Shaq had a great game, but he folded at the end.  Overall, I 
would call their second matchup a draw.

>Sure we had Ewing and Robinson but Robinson played terrible most of the
>time.  O'Neal would have been more of a factor and probably would have
>seen more minutes due to the lackluster play of Robinson.

This issue is a dead, dead horse, but let's beat it some more.  There was no
way to know that Ewing & Robinson would have injuries and lackluster games.
Another problem is that the international rules made Ewing's and Robinson's
inside games less effective.  Do you think that another pure center would have
been the solution?

--Rob Clough, tireless CL defender
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From: krust@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Kelly Rust)
Subject: Re: Barkley blasts white players again!!!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 19:46:37 GMT

MLINDROOS@finabo.abo.fi (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes:

>Apparently Sir Charles' mouth is beginning to thaw in the Arizona heat.
>According to USA TODAY, he recently said this is the first time since Bobby
>Jones retired he is on a team with white teammates who can actually *PLAY*.
>---
>You know what, he may actually be right. 

Undoubtedly.  Since Jones, and excluding Scottie Brooks, it's been only
that wonderful center combo of McCormick, McNamara, Gminski, Thornton, et al.

I seem to remember him speaking highly of Ruland last year though...

Kelly
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Subject: Re: Wolves Trade (plus the season's first anti-woof)
From: f67700241@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin)
Date: 17 Nov 92 22:34:40 MST
Distribution: world,local
Organization: University of Arizona
Nntp-Posting-User: f67700241

In article <168A2BD81.EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu>, EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu writes:
> In article <BxvF90.I3E@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
> bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom) writes:
>  
>>>>Am looking forward to having Phoenix cream the
>>>>Pistons twice in the reg. season the way they did in the preseason....
> ...
>>>They creamed them only once in the preseason, not twice.
> ...
>>If you could read, jerk!  He didn't say they creamed them twice only that they
>>play twice in the regular season.  I think he specifically said regular season.
> I think not.
> Do you enjoy making a total ass out of yourself on the net?
>  
> I can read, but apparently you can't.
>  
>>Brian T Odom
>  
> --Eric

Children, children!  I forgot a comma, so let me clarify and expand my
statement:

I am looking forward to having the Suns POUND the Pistons into UTTER
SUBMISSION twice during the regular season, the same way they
POUNDED them into UTTER SUBMISSION *once* during the preseason.

Worse yet: I hope Chicago does the same!  C'mon Michael, duty calls!
In fact, I predict DA BULLZ WILL GO 82-0 AND WIN THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP!
THREE-PEAT!  THREE-PEAT!  THREE-PEAT!  THE STREETS OF CHICAGO WILL
EXPLODE WITH JOY!
-- 
Greg "Mockingbird" Franklin      Interviewer: "Sir, how do you spell relief?"
f67700241@ccit.arizona.edu               Dan: "R-O-L-A-I-D-S-E."

[new .sig quote coming soon]
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Barry Rumors
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:54:14 GMT
Organization: HMS

In article <BxtA89.n4J@ora.com> ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler) writes:
>In article <1992Nov13.224933.29847@ee.gatech.edu> wung@puttgen.ee.gatech.edu writes:
>>
>Barry, they'd pull the trigger immediately.  I heard that in order to
>trade him, they had to sign him first.  If that was true, I think
>they'd sign him in a nanosecond if the right offer came along.

They don't have to sign Jon Barry to trade him.  They could simply trade
his rights away. It's that plain but the Celts goofed big time.

The problem here is that the Celts and Barry dragged their feet all
summer with contracts talks. Barry never came to a rookie camp
or any summer league play.  Thus,no scouts from any NBA team
that could have been potentially interested in this-very-average-with-limitted
skills basketabll player had seen him play for any significant minutes.
At this point,Barry who is no Alonzo by any means, is so out
of game shape without any training camp expreience behind him and most
teams are resigned to fill their 11th or 12th man(that's where Barry would
end up if he was signed) with CBA types or NBA journeymen rather than an
unknown(to many NBA types),unproven,unseen and a guy seems to want so
much for never playing a single big game in his life(Kofoed who played
on 3 NBA teams only makes $140,000 a year. Why should Barry get at least
$500,000 a year for 3 years guranteed?)

Celts know now that they can't get anything significant(i.e. something more
than a future draft pick) for him and should have had him in the fold
in July for a rookie camp when they were talking deal with the Clippers
and,according to Boston papers, Barry would have been a part of it.

Barry's best plan is to go to Europe and play there so he could make
some money, get into a game shape, and at least be seen by NBA's European
scouts.

-PPV Mark
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From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Trade rumor:Benjamin for Rodman
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 07:18:17 GMT


In article <1992Nov16.230823.6026@fcom.cc.utah.edu>, hymie@fff.chem.utah.edu (James Kleimeyer) writes:
|> In article <1992Nov16.200226.10498@leland.Stanford.EDU>  
|> terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU (Terry Wong) writes:
|> 
|> > Seattle is supposed to be offering center Benoit Benjamin to Detroit for
|> > Dennis Rodman.  
|> > 					terry@garfield.Stanford.EDU
|> >  
|>  Just curious...
|> 
|> Where did you read/hear this?
|> 

I first heard this one about 3 weeks ago up here.  If it were going to happen,
I think that it would have happened by now.

GT

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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Trade rumor:Benjamin for Rodman
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:02:27 GMT

In article <M1WCC00.92Nov23082153@mcfss2.fed.frb.gov>
m1wcc00@fed.frb.gov (Wayne C. Cook) writes:
 
>Probably already been said, but Rodman went to Miami for Grant Long and
>Brian Shaw.
 
Hello? That can't be true becuz Rodman already retired. Don't you remember
the post here in rsbp last summer? ;-)
 
Maybe you were thinking of John Salley? He did at least go to Miami.
 
--Eric
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From: presley@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Presley)
Subject: Re: Rookie report
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 20:13:39 GMT

In article <BxxEyx.17B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	For all of U interested in how the rookies are doing, here's a list
>	of their stats, based on yesterday's USA Today:
>
>
>1992 Draft -- 1st Round (in order picked)
>
>PK                     G   MIN    FG%    FT%    REB    AST   STL   BLK   PTS
> 1-O'Neal, Orl         5  35.4   .571   .611   16.4    1.2   0.6   3.4  25.8
> [players 2-14 deleted]
>15-Peeler, LAL         5  15.2   .414   .750    2.4    0.6   0.4   0.0  10.4
> [more deleted]

These are the two highest points/minute totals for first round draft
choices this year.

I suspected that Shaq (0.73 pts/minute) would be number one, 
but Peeler (0.68 pts/minute) is number two.  Alright!!!!
Of course, Peeler beats out two other players by 0.01 pts/minute,
but so what.  Being in the top five shows that this kid can hold
his own against other rookies.  What do you expect from someone
who dunked in Big Ben's face?

Time to give Peeler more playing time!!!


-- 
Matthew Presley (UCLA CS Grad. Student) & (JPL CS dude)
Internet (presley@cs.ucla.edu) or (matt@ruby.jpl.nasa.gov)
"I am an unexplained crop formation."
From: rcaf@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Richard Caffelle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Most players from a specific team
Date: 18 Nov 92 15:50:45 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)

In article <PSM.92Nov17204920@sharpnose.cs.indiana.edu> psm@sharpnose.cs.indiana.edu (Paul S. Miner) writes:
>In article <Bxtyso.D07@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	   Which one specific collegiate team (i.e. Old Dominion '86-'87,
>	   Kentucky '84-'85, etc) has the most players currently on NBA
>	   rosters?
>Well, I've suggested two UNC teams with 5 each, others suggested Illinois 88-89
>or Michigan 88-89 w/4 each.  We all seem to be forgetting UNLV 89-90.  They may
>have 6 or 7, but I'd be hard pressed to name them all.

I think Michigan actually had the following players on their roster one year:
Gary Grant, Sean Higgins, Rumeal Robinson, Terry Mills, Loy Vaught, Glen Rice
Maybe this is the most?

rich
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From: jmb@oclc.org (James Blight)
Subject:  Fantasy Basketball Rules sought
Summary: (see subject)
Keywords: basketball,  fantasy rules
Organization: OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:51:33 GMT

 Help !   Some friends and I are about to close down our fantasy football 
 league (well, some of are are allready eliminated) and we're thinking about
 organizing a (local) fantasy basketball league. I've looked around the
 Columbus (Ohio) Bookstores and and can't find any magazines dedicated to such
 a league.  Does anyone know of any rules (or location of rules) that I can get
 my grubby hands on?   I suppose just taking one players best 5 point totals
 against anothers' is one option.  we're looking for something a little more
 complicated involving other aspects of the game (assists, rebounds, etc....)

      -Jim
From: djackson@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Dwight T Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re:League Leaders
Date: 22 Nov 1992 15:53:40 +0800
Organization: The University of Western Australia
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G-day folks,

I agree with Micheal That an VERY interesting post would be a WEEKLY posting
of league leaders. Just Top scorers rebounds and assists. I would also like
to see the standing on a weekly basis.Well for us overseas followers of 
basketball. Also as a reader of r.s.football.pro They have a person that
covers A TEAM for the week! Just like Richard does for the HEAT(which is
EXCELLENT) so maybe the guys that do the stats for the teams can also give
a progress report for there team?! Which would be great and we w'd know who
to inquire about each Team. Maybe the ever-present statman JAzzy J could 
organize such a thing or Gidi. I mean the guys that really knows this league
and newsgroup.

I mean I really miss the standing even though Matthew Moo-Moo playoff standing
is the next best thing.Coverage hasn't even started here yet.Any of you Ozzies
know what the scoop is ? Is Ch 10 (basketball) channel going to cover this year
or will it go back to ABC without commericals(i hope)

Anyway Just a reader with requests

DJ-Chicagoan Down Under

Ps JaZZY c'd u give me mo info on this HOOPs game ? Does it keep stats per game
and team standing? I have the NBA lakers vs celtics which is cool but doesn't keep stats or allow u 2 change them.
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From: sutherla%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Mathew Sutherland)
Subject: mailing list???
Date: 20 Nov 92 17:59:21 MST
Organization: University of Utah CS Department, Salt Lake City, UT.

	Is there some kind of mailing list that I can subscribe to for
nightly scores, stats  and such throughout the NBA??? I don't really have a lot
of time to read the paper, and this would be a good distraction from 
homework. :) :)
	Please let me know through mail.  Or post.
			thanks!

			--mat

>--100 years of University of Utah football--<             Mathew S. Sutherland
>      	     1892 ----- 1992		     <    sutherla@peruvian.cs.utah.edu
>                Go Utes!                    <          mssuther@mines.utah.edu
>--University of Utah, Salt Lake City, Utah--<---------------------------------
From: mitchell@lowell.cs.unlv.edu (Mitchell Flatebo)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: What is the word on Jim Jackson in Dallas?
Date: 19 Nov 92 01:07:01 GMT
Reply-To: mitchell@lowell.cs.unlv.edu (Mitchell Flatebo)
Organization: UNLV Computer Science

In article <1992Nov18.191456.29122@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West) writes:
) From: dwest@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dan West)
) Subject: What is the word on Jim Jackson in Dallas?
) Organization: The Ohio State University
) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 11:14:56 PST
) 
) 
) I haven't heard a thing about JJ's negotiations with the Mav's. Anyone
) heard anything recent?

The last I heard was the Maverick's offering $2.75 million for the first
year, but Jackson turned it down. I think Jackson wants $3.5 million a year.

mitchell
mitchell@unlv.edu
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From: tt300zx@milton.u.washington.edu (twin turbo 300zx)
Subject: Prediction of Slam Champion '93
Organization: Engineering Department of University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:21:44 GMT

	well, for starters, jordan won't be in for sure.

	how 'bout shawn kamp of seattle supersonics?
		  dee brown?
		  dominique?

	my personal favorite: to see jordan performs his 'magic' again :)
From: rpierce@oracle.com (Russell Pierce)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Who are the worst players in nba?
Date: 20 Nov 92 20:07:35 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA  94065
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

In article <41266@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs161feu@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Anthony Minkoff) writes:
>In article <Bxxspy.Ct3@fiu.edu> steinm2d@serss0 (Daniel Steinmetz) writes:
>>One of the worst players in my opinion is Dudley from NJN, in fact he 
>>probably gets the most minutes for such dismal performance.
>
>You have got to be kidding!  Last year, he ranked among the league
>leaders in blocked shots per minute and rebounds per minute.  (Top
>15 in both categories, if I'm not mistaken.)  Granted, he's
>something of a liability on offense, and I wouldn't want him on the
>floor in the closing minutes of a close game (everybody foul
>Dudley!!  Make him shoot free throws!!), but worst in the league?
>No way!
>
>Tony

 	Ah yeah-right.  SO what if his stats are good per minute.
	I don't follow the Nets very closely, but I don't think he 
	plays a whole lot of minutes.  MAybe he does.  I think if he did
	that his stats would rank him in the top 25 regardless, not just
	for per minutes played.  Who started this ridiculous thread
	anyway, who cares who the worst players are, we never see
	them except for mop up time.

		Russ
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From: psmith@esk.compserv.utas.edu.au (Paul Jeffrey Smith)
Subject: Stats on Shaq...q
Organization: University of Tasmania at Launceston
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 04:48:36 GMT


Any one got a collection of stats on this big man.  Would like to see
some averages so far.

thanks..

Paul Smith

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From: exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (|J| Exby)
Subject: Re: Blair Rasmussen
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 22:24:16 GMT

st1ge@Elroy.UH.EDU (Edward Hui) writes:

> Blair Rasmussen
>   What's wrong with him?  He has not appeared in the last 2 Hawks games.
>Edward Hui

Somebody probably woke up and truly realized he's a big stiff with
about as much athleticism as a pet rock.
here's hoping air blair stays on the bench....

::j
From: bcperry@eos.ncsu.edu (BRENT COLE PERRY)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: A.J. English
Date: 16 Nov 92 15:29:01 GMT
Reply-To: bcperry@eos.ncsu.edu (BRENT COLE PERRY)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: bcperry@c00514-118rd.eos.ncsu.edu


A.J. English is one of my favorite players, but I haven't heard much about him
this year.  Is he hurt?  Did the Bullets let him go?  Is he in Europe?

Thanks for any info,
--Brent

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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: League Leaders
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 21:58:40 GMT

djackson@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Dwight T Jackson) writes:
>Ps JaZZY c'd u give me mo info on this HOOPs game ? Does it keep stats per game
>and team standing? I have the NBA lakers vs celtics which is cool but doesn't keep stats or allow u 2 change them.

	The answers to your questions are yes.  Hoops lets U create your
	own league, and then it compiles team records, team stats, and 
	individual stats.  In fact, it puts them all into 1 database, so
	U can search for your own league leaders in your own categories
	(i.e. pts per minutes played, rebounds per personal foul, whatever).
	We haven't figured out how to change the stats -- but there are
	enough pro and college teams already on the game to keep U busy
	for years.

	Jazzy J
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From: bewillia@mothra.syr.EDU (Brad "Boomer" Williams)
Subject: Re: All-star HORSE  (was:rookie all-star game)
Keywords: all-star . rookies
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 13:01:19 EST

In article <BxtAu0.D0@ora.com> ellie@ora.com (Ellie Cutler) writes:
>If they institute HORSE games, I would feel bad that a sure-fire 
>HORSE King would have just missed it by a year...Larry Bird.
>

	Ah, but there's still Bird's former HORSE understudy, now with the
Suns, Danny Ainge.  I remember reading a few years back, when he was still
with the C's, that he was one of the best HORSE players on the Celtics, and
in the league... something about him canning shots from the press table.
 
>        Ellie Cutler

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