HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: lebrun@ll.mit.edu (Steven F. LeBrun)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.sys.sgi reorganization
Date: 22 Jul 92 11:12:19 GMT
Followup-To: news.groups
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington, MA

from Article  <1992Jul21.193219.5232@uunet.uu.net> by Matthew Wicks

>I propose that the following comp.sys.sgi groups be formed:
>
>  admin	Discussions of system administration issues. This would
>		include issues such as kernel tuning, security, and networking.
>  announce	general announcements (conferences, user groups, ftp
>		archives, etc)
>  apps		Discussions of various application packages , both those
>	 	provided by SGI, as well as third party applications.
>  bugs		Discussions/posting of bugs found in the IRIX operating system.
>  graphics	Discussion of SGI graphics issues (i.e. X-windows, Inventor,
>		Imagelib, GL, etc.) Postings should always be issues specific
>		to using a SGI machine.
>  hardware	Discussion of hardware issues including connection of
>		perhipherals.
>  misc		Anything else, that doesn't fit one of the above groups.

I like the idea of splitting up the comp.sys.sgi newsgroups.  I also 
think that there should be a group for software/programming issues.
As a software developer, I would find it useful to have a group where
programmer's issues can be discussed.  Such discussions would include
topics like network programming techniques (not to be confussed with 
administration networking issues), use of system service functions, 
development tools, etc.  


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Newsgroups: news.groups
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 13:06:56 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to loren@nokomis.mn.org (Loren D. Cahlander):
>comp.unix.intel.pc.16bit
>comp.unix.intel.pc.32bit

No.  Otherwise, you'll pick up Sequent and the Sun 386i and any other
computer that happens to use the Intel chips.  The group that needs
creating is specific to the IBM PC architecture and peripherals.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
From: fdvlba@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Fort Davis VLBA site)
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 20:28:10 GMT

>laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes...

>thanks i always wanted to be a zanie. i am anti rec.motorcycles.harley
>i am not anti rec.motorcycles.cruiser but people that want the harley
>group are anti rec.motorcycles.cruiser because that would let in bikes
>that are "similar" to harleys.

I want the harley group.  I am not against .moto.cruiser.  Probably wouldn't
read it, I don't like the cruiser style or feel.

I have an HD motorcycle.  It is not a cruiser, with wire wheels, high bars, 
twin chrome pipes, etc.  Cruisers were invented by the Japanese.  The cruiser 
look is an attempt at HD styling.

I have no qualms about voting for rec.mc.honda, .yam, etc.  The .mc group
has too much activity anyway.

Most aftermarket suppliers cater to either the J or HD market, with little
crossover.  The  reality of the market is that the consumer groups are 
separate demographically (different tastes). 

>i have no complaint against having a group for: dirt, racing, cruising,
> touring, street sport riding, and rat bikes. but i do have a complaint
>when someone decides its time to have them based on marquee.

I have seen no restrictions on news.groups names whereby brand names are not
allowed.  What is your specific complaint, Lazlo?  Will you miss us?  I will
still read rec.moto.

When a person makes up their mind to buy a Harley-Davidson, they have decided
to forgo having the fastest, quickest handling bike available.  Expense is
also less of a concern.  These are the two dominant themes in rec.mc...
whose bike is faster, or where the cheapest X is.  It really is a different
mindset, where faster is not better.


Steve Cowell, Site Tech, VLBA, Fort Davis, TX....I ride an 883............

Newsgroups: news.groups
From: todd@uvmark.uucp (Todd Cooper)
Subject: Re: RFD: misc.forsale.computers reorganization
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:35:22 GMT
Organization: Vmark Software, Inc.

In article <1992Jul28.182453.4243@uunet.uu.net> mmm@qedqcd.rye.ny.us (Mike Miskulin) writes:
>I am formally proposing the split of misc.forsale.computers into a new
>hierarchy.  At a minimum the succeeding group(s) should be:
>	    
>	misc.forsale.computers.hardware
>	misc.forsale.computers.software
>
>At a maximum (for purposes of this RFD), a succession to:
>
>	misc.forsale.computers.hardware.ibm

SPLIT! I prefer the maximum, with the amount of articles posted to the 
group, I think that we could use the further specification.

I try to avoid reading the group unless I have something specific in mind and
then search by the subject line does not always produce the results I want.

just MHO,
Todd
-- 
+++++ Just leaving a boring signature. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Todd Cooper         (uvmark%todd@merk.com uunet!merk.com!uvmark!todd)
Snail Mail: Vmark Software, 30 Speen Street, Framingham, MA 01701 USA
Xref: sparky news.groups:16072 comp.unix.sysv386:12411
From: Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM (Richard M. Mathews)
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: 25 Jul 1992 01:08:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: astro
Originator: richard@astro.West.Sun.COM

lothar@tmcsys.UUCP (Lothar Hirschbiegel) writes:
>>I disagree.  Under VP/ix and Merge, the 386 is emulating an 8086 and Unix
>>is emulating DOS and the BIOS.  Things like "in" and "out" instructions
>>are trapped to Unix which emulates the I/O if it is allowed.

>No, Chip is right. The I/O instructions are not *emulated*, they are simply
>carried out under a different level of control. The "outb" instruction under
>DOS still is an "outb" instruction under UNIX - same machine code.
>An EMULATOR usually is different. In most cases (but not all) this will be a
>piece of software translating a machine instruction with a certain bit pattern
>in machine language to another bit pattern for a different processor. 

But that it just what Merge does (I haven't looked at the internals of
VP/ix, so I can't say for certain what it does).  Your code (DOS) executes
an outb instruction.  But the instruction is not executed by the hardware.
You trap to the kernel which decodes the instruction and executes it's
own instructions to perform what you would have expected that instruction
to do.  The instruction executed by the kernel is not necessarily the
same one executed by the DOS process -- for example an "outb immediate"
executed by the program ends up being emulated by an "outb dx" somewhere
in the kernel.  For virtual devices, the I/O instruction may not even
be emulated using I/O instructions.  The only example I can think of,
unfortunately, is for a virtual device that was discussed but to my
knowledge never implemented -- a virtual clock.  "inb" instructions
intended for the hardware clock could be trapped by the kernel and
changed to instead read the Unix time corrected for time zone.

     Richard M. Mathews			G eorge
					 D epression
Richard.Mathews@West.Sun.COM		  B ush casts a
					   G loom on us all
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: barr@darwin.psu.edu (David Barr)
Subject: Re: CFV: sci.space.planets
Organization: Population Research Institute
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 23:39:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul29.221628.19943@uunet.uu.net> knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
>Now, the *official* vote is being taken for a proposed group:
>sci.space.planets. It will be unmoderated. The CFV will end 31 days after
>this post on Aug 29, 1992. No votes will be accepted after that date.
>[..] 
>
>Please respond by email to me, knapp@spot.colorado.edu, including in the
>subject line:
>
>sci.space.planets = yes 	If you wish to vote FOR formation of the group.
>sci.space.planets = no		If you wish to vote AGAINST its formation.
>
>In the body of the mail message, please indicate one of the following:
>
>I vote YES for the formation of the group sci.space.planets.
>  
>or 
>
>I vote NO for the formation of the group sci.space.planets.

Is it just me, or does this ballot format seem overly restrictive?

Are all of these things actually checked?

--Dave
-- 
System Administrator, Population Research Institute    barr@darwin.psu.edu
  I'm going to turn over a new leaf.... of poison ivy.
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: rec.moto.harley
Date: 31 Jul 92 05:52:05 GMT
Organization: Xanth Watch

mick@maxine.wpi.edu (Ravi Narayan) writes:

>	do you not think that if h-d
>	motorcycling is the same as the rest, then discussions relating
>	to it belong to rec.moto? if there is one newsgroup that already
>	serves the purpose why create a new one? the only reason i can
>	see is harley-flaming. i want to know if there are other
>	reasons. does that sound facetious?

Out there in the world of networks are a thing called usenet. This great
and diverse net is split into a lot of small sections called newsgroups.
These newsgroups have designed by wise men and women to allow those poor
mortals with only 24 hours in their day to find the things that interest
them with ease. That is: without having to wade through tons of irrelevant
material. As this creature previously being referred to usenet grows, and
it does cause many men and women feels attracted to its services, more
and more material is dumped on every newsgroup. And the size of the
irrelevant grows more and more. So more newsgroups are established.
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen        |  I survived the rec.arts.sf-lovers split
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk   |
From: dawson@willard.UUCP
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: 22 Jul 92 01:09:21 GMT
Organization: Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814

wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes:

> again, perhaps Usenet should be governed by Usenet needs, not Fidonet
> needs.

Absolutely correct.

> 
> --
> Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi


-- 
dawson@willard.UUCP (Willard Dawson)
Willard's House BBS, Atlanta, GA -- +1 (404) 664 8814
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 14:00:11 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to wirzeniu@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius):
>I think that merging comp.unix.sysv[23]86 to comp.unix.ibmpc-arch is not
>a good idea.  The differences between the major flavors of Unix on PC
>clones are too big for them to fit into one group...

But the purpose of c.u.ibm-pc-arch is to provide a home for discussion
of subjects that _are_ common to all those flavors of UNIX.  Remember
that there will be a SVR3 group, too, for those running SVR3 on a '286.

>(the proposed group would probably attract traffic about all Unices on PC
>clones, including BSD, Minix, and Linux)

That's the whole point.  If you have a question about getting the best
price/performance ratio for UNIX hardware, where can you ask now?
There is no one place where people using all those flavors interact.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 17:29:11 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva):
>In article <2A6C1BAC.4F2A@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>>There is no [specific] home for System III.  I think that, given the
>>small numbers of people using System III, that's not a great loss.
>
>So add a comp.unix.sys3.

But why?  The user base is tiny, and shrinking.

>Or put it under comp.unix.xenix, since most existing System III sites are
>Xenix.

This suggestion makes no sense.  If people have Xenix, then they can
use the Xenix groups that already exist.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.games.frp,rec.games.frp.misc
From: johnf@apollo.hp.com (John Francis)
Subject: Re: APPEND: rec.games.frp.guides 
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 23:29:31 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA

bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu (Brian Diantonio) writes:
>ADMIN:
>How Can I start the voting for ALL these items in my newsgroup.  I would
>like to start the voting in alt.pub.dragons-inn, comp.sys.ibm.pc.games,
>and the rec.games.frp groups.
>How can I tell these people about this new addition with out getting another
>62 letters of flame mail?

Sigh.  You've been told - try listening.  You *can't* start voting yet -
there needs to be a discussion period.  And, as should be obvious to you
by now, there are a large number of people who don't feel the need for
any new groups.  Remember - to get a new group started you will need to
end up with 100 more "YES" votes than "NO" votes.  So count the number
of definite NO votes you will get (hint: people who send you flames can
generally be relied on to vote against you) and add one hundred to that
number.  That is the *minimum* number of YES votes you will need - there
are other criteria that a vote also has to meet.

If you still think you stand a chance of getting this through, then

 (1) seek therapy - you don't seem to be in touch with real life.
     Ask Loren Miller how difficult it will be to get a new subgroup
     started under rec.games.frp - he (recently) ran the vote that
     split r.g.f into the subgroups, and still bears the scars.
     [If you think that your proposed new group belongs anywhere
      in the mainline hieararchy except under rec.games.frp, see
      comment above about therapy]

 (2) post an RFD to news.groups, and to *appropriate* other groups.
     Inappropriate groups are a.p.d-i and c.s.i.p.g - read their
     charters if you don't understand why.
>
>Mark DiAntonio
>bdianton@cs.ulowell.edu

Why is Mark using Brian's account?  Inquiring minds want to know!

-- 
John Francis                                johnf@apollo.hp.com
The world can be divided into two classes :-
 those who divide people into two classes, and those who don't.
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 13:54:37 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to craig@ec.uwa.oz.au (Craig Richmond - division):
>If you are going to do anything then please put the heirarchy under
>comp.os where it logically belongs.

The upheaval would outweigh the benefits (if, in fact, there are any).
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
From: weigl@sibelius.inria.fr (Konrad Weigl)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.motorcyles.harley
Date: 21 Jul 92 09:24:58 GMT
Organization: INRIA, Sophia-Antipolis (Fr)

In article <6967@lib.tmc.edu>, jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) writes:
|> the anti-Harley types refuse to recognize that
|> the Harley types _have_already_left_ rec.motorcycles, 

It might be worth discussing whether that is not simply the aim of the 
obstructionists:
Getting rid of the Harley-riders, getting them off USENET...

Pushing them into a secluded mailing list and into a sparsely distributed
alt.group is the way to go...

As far as I am concerned, they have reached that goal...

Either rec.mot.harley or no rec.mot for me.


Konrad Weigl               Tel. +33 93 65 78 63
Projet Pastis              Fax  +33 93 65 76 43
INRIA                      email weigl@sophia.inria.fr
B.P. 93
06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex 
France
Newsgroups: news.groups
From: andreas@awstar.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Andreas Wierse)
Subject: Re: 2nd RFD: comp.sys.sgi reorganization
Organization: Visualization Group Comp.Center (RUS) U of Stuttgart, FRG
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 08:27:06 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.193219.5232@uunet.uu.net> wicks@dcdsv0.fnal.gov (Matthew Wicks) writes:
>I propose that the following comp.sys.sgi groups be formed:
>
>  admin	Discussions of system administration issues. This would
>		include issues such as kernel tuning, security, and networking.
>  announce	general announcements (conferences, user groups, ftp
>		archives, etc)
>  apps		Discussions of various application packages , both those
>	 	provided by SGI, as well as third party applications.
>  bugs		Discussions/posting of bugs found in the IRIX operating system.
>  graphics	Discussion of SGI graphics issues (i.e. X-windows, Inventor,
>		Imagelib, GL, etc.) Postings should always be issues specific
>		to using a SGI machine.
>  hardware	Discussion of hardware issues including connection of
>		perhipherals.
>  misc		Anything else, that doesn't fit one of the above groups.
>

I agree to these groups with the exception of bugs: I don't remember
exactly, but I think there are not so many bugs in the operating system,
graphics library or hardware that an own group makes sense to me.
Additionally the bugs that occur should be handled in the groups they
belong to and not externally. (There won't be only bugs in the
operating system, but also in other parts of the SGI software).

--
 Andreas Wierse              | Institute for Computerapplications II
                             | Dep. Computersimulation and Visualization
 wierse@rus.uni-stuttgart.de | Computer Center University of Stuttgart
 Tel.: ++49-711-685-5796     | Allmandring 30
 Fax:  ++49-711-682357       | D-7000 Stuttgart 80     Germany



Newsgroups: news.groups
From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens)
Subject: Re: What happened to my CFD?
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 04:25:54 GMT

When you post a message to multiple moderated newsgroups, the message is
forwarded to just one of the moderators.  It's usually the moderator for the
newsgroup listed earlier on the Newsgroups line.

There isn't any agreed-upon procedure for two moderators agreeing together to
allow a message to be posted when it is supposed to appear in more than one
moderated newsgroup.

It sounds to me like the article you posted was forwarded to the moderator of
sci.military, and he posted it to sci.military without posting it to any of
the other newsgroups.  Perhaps he didn't want to deal with the issue of
getting approval from Dave Lawrence.

I suggest you write to the moderator of sci.military and ask him if he was
aware of what he did, and if so, why.  You may need to make "out-of-band"
arrangements with the moderators of news.announce.newgroups and sci.military
in order to arrange for your posting to appear in both groups without being
posted separately.

-- 
Jonathan Kamens						jik@MIT.Edu
MIT Information Systems/Athena		    Moderator, news.answers
    (Send correspondence related to the news.answers newsgroup
	{and ONLY correspondence related to the newsgroup}
		 to news-answers-request@MIT.Edu.)
Newsgroups: news.groups,comp.unix.sysv386
From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.unix.* reorganization
Organization: Taronga Park BBS
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 00:21:50 GMT

In article <2A746402.57DB@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
>  comp.unix.sysv286 -->
>   comp.unix.ibm-pc-arch.16bit   UNIX on 16-bit IBM PC arch. (i286).
>  comp.unix.sysv386 -->
>   comp.unix.ibm-pc-arch.32bit   UNIX on 32-bit IBM PC arch. (i386, i486).

Sounds good, except the "ibm-pc-arch" bit is a (beat) screaming horror from
the sewers of hell.

(ducks and hides)

No, seriously, there MUST be something better.
-- 
                                                                `-_-'
                         Have you hugged your wolf today?        'U`

Peter da Silva, Taronga Park BBS, Houston, TX  +1 713 568 0480/1032
Xref: sparky scruz.general:108 rec.windsurfing:2788
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Newsgroups: scruz.general,rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Where Can I Get Detailed Map of Santa Cruz Coast?
Date: 24 Jul 92 20:51:28 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: Mail Group

lancelot@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us writes:

>In article <15gm5p+.westes@netcom.com>, westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:
>> Does anyone know where I can get a detailed map of the Santa Cruz coast
>> that shows *all* the beaches (preferably in some detail) between Santa 
>> Cruz and Pillar Point?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com


>I'd especially like to see photographic details of the Davenport Area
>Beaches...

Someone wrote me with an awesome suggestion: call the US Geological
Survey in San Mateo.  They have detailed surface maps for all of
California.

Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com
Xref: sparky scruz.general:107 rec.windsurfing:2783
From: lancelot@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Newsgroups: scruz.general,rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Where Can I Get Detailed Map of Santa Cruz Coast?
Summary: LOTSA Detail
Date: 24 Jul 92 00:37:27 GMT
Reply-To: lancelot@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
Distribution: ba

In article <15gm5p+.westes@netcom.com>, westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:
> Does anyone know where I can get a detailed map of the Santa Cruz coast
> that shows *all* the beaches (preferably in some detail) between Santa 
> Cruz and Pillar Point?
> 
> Thanks,
> Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com


I'd especially like to see photographic details of the Davenport Area
Beaches...
-- 
Brett Breitwieser                     KC6UPU, Grid CM86XX
The Crown Project                     lancelot@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
425 Ninth Ave.                        ..netcom!cruzio!lancelot
Santa Cruz, CA 95062-3715             Fido: 1:216/509
Julian Jaynes:"...hypnosis can cause this extra enabling because it 
engages the general bicameral paradigm which allows a more absolute 
control over behavior than is possible with consciousness."                    
Newsgroups: scruz.general,rec.windsurfing
From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes)
Subject: Where Can I Get Detailed Map of Santa Cruz Coast?
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 20:00:49 GMT
Organization: Mail Group
Distribution: ba

Does anyone know where I can get a detailed map of the Santa Cruz coast
that shows *all* the beaches (preferably in some detail) between Santa 
Cruz and Pillar Point?

Thanks,
Will Estes         Internet: westes@netcom.com
Xref: sparky scruz.general:110 rec.windsurfing:2924
From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
Newsgroups: scruz.general,rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Where Can I Get Detailed Map of Santa Cruz Coast?
Date: 30 Jul 92 22:32:23 GMT
Distribution: ba
Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu


You could ask ask around the Yacht Harbor, there are probably marine
navigation charts showing what you want.
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an Art."
        Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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