From: gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga)
Subject: Re: some gods are _not_ creaters of all things, apparently
Organization: Stay Awake Software
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 23:49:42 GMT

<adams.712206042@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) said:
>gordons@coopsol.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
>><adams.711639765@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) said:
>>>I don't see how there is a glaring doctrinal inconsistancy here.  Any 'god'
>>>who is sufficiently powerful to create the world, is certainly powerful
>>>enough to do as he/she pleases and sees fit.  How the heck is a person
>>>supposed to be able to completely understand a superrior being?
>
>>You're dodging the question/statement:  How can you justify the worship of
>>a being that commits mass-murder of children, while at the same time
>>denouncing abortion?  If you argue that your god can kill what he creates
>>then I assert that a woman can kill what she creates.  If you assert that
>>your god can do what he wants to because he has the power to do so, then I
>>assert that a woman can get an abortion because she has the power to.
>In my humble opinion, a woman 'creates' nothing.  God creates.  Sure, there
>is a certain biological/physiological happenstance.  But since I believe
>that the soul enters the body at conception, that life is only for God to
>take, if He so choses.  But you miss my point, too.  I am pro-choice.  I
>object to abortion on religious grounds, yet refuse to impose my religion
>on anyone else.  I encourage other Christians to adopt the same view, as it
>is perfectly scriptural.

I appreciate your tolerance wrt abortion and your religious views.  I'm
wondering though, if your god is truly omniscient then he would surely
know which women are going to abort their fetuses and not put a soul there
(since he's in charge of soul installations).  The fact that he allows
conception to take place in a woman who he _konws_ will abort tells me
that he approves of abortion.  I assume you agree that any being so
powerful would be able to prevent fetuses from being placed in
inappropriate wombs.

Actually, he could have this fetus's soul earmarked for death, and have
selected the woman to be the instrument of that death.  He's done similar
things in the past.  Who are we to object to god's great plan.

>>As for inconsistency, many Christians believe that the bible implicitly
>>prohibits abortion, while at the same time it glorifies their god's
>>killing of thousands or millions of children.  He even *orders* his people
>>to kill children *explicitly*.
>Yes, it does, and He does.  I won't at all object to that.  But I am not
>God.  I do not have the power God has.  

Ah, we're back to "if you have the power to do something then your actions
are just".

>                                        God has chosen to revel Himself to
>us in various ways, and has established rules for His people to live by.

Which apparently do not apply to him.

>God has no requirement to fit in a box that you or I create for Him.

No, but we require it of him.  Any god that I might worship would have to
make logical sense.  So far I have seen little in any religion.

>>Do you worship a mass-killer just because he has the power to kill you
>>too?
>Heck no.  I worship God because I believe in Him, and the salvation from
>Him through Jesus Christ.  

I asked this because early on you state that your god can do anything he
wants to because he has the power to do so.  It sounds like you worship
him, even though he kills children, because you have no power to stop
him.  Do you not find a contradiction between this "salvation" and the
deaths of millions of children?

>                           Whether or not you believe is between you and
>God.  I don't force you to believe, nor will I force my views on others. 
>God appears to want it this way...according to Scripture.

I tend to agree with your mindset.  I really wish more people thought
along these lines.


Gordon
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