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From: balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks)
Subject: Re: Anyone going to COMDEX in Las Vegas?
Organization: Not yet, but we're working on it...
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 20:39:44 GMT

In article <720823640snx@montage.UUCP>, platinum@montage.UUCP (Doug Swallow) writes:
>I'm planning on being in Las Vegas for COMDEX from Wednesday, November 18
>until Saturday, November 21. Any other soc.motss'ers going to be around and
>want to get together for dinner, drinks or other entertainment?


This is a great time to post this:


Any motssers attending COMDEX that would like to see some
sort of get-together, send me Email with a rough schedule,
and/or the hotel you plan on staying in so that I can 
contact you while you are here. 

It has been my experience in the past that few motssers, if
any, attend COMDEX.  However, the Las Vegas motss crowd is
always willing to meet visitors whenever possible.  

Send Email to: balistik@nevada.edu  or  clc@nevada.edu  or
rickc@nevada.edu.  We all work odd hours and are able to
meet at almost any time of the day.


Shawn
From: pgr@crhc.uiuc.edu (Paul Ryan)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Colorado Amendment 2: The First Fatality
Date: 12 Nov 92 05:10:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: copland.1du36qINN4al
Organization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
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gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand) writes:
>  This is tragic, of course, but I don't see the relevance of the suicide of 
>  a troubled man with what the true effects of #2 are going to be. 

Actually, I do see the relevance. 

It isn't an obvious one, like "All the Colorado queers are gonna chug
cyannide punch," but this story (for me, anyway) was a poignant illustration
of the emotional toll this ammendment and this fight have had on BLG folk
in Colorado, and in a wider sense, the toll this whole year of right-wing
viciousness has had on the national LGB community.

It made me sad.  Sad because of the loss of his life, and sad because I
could see the shadows of how he feels in my own life.  Am I suicidal? No.
But a little upset, depressed, frustrated, unhappy?  Like the rest of us, yes.

Paul


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From: ma@lloyd.Camex.COM (Mary Ann Purcell)
Subject: Can anyone tell me about this TV show?
Keywords: Are You Being Served?
Organization: Camex Inc., Boston MA
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 13:07:25 EST

  I have been watching a British comedy from the early to mid '70s
called "Are You Being Served?".  It's playing here in Boston on 
channel 2 (PBS) at 11:00 pm.  One of the characters is a gay man.
No one seems to care he's gay.  And he doesn't try to hide it.  It
seems so strange to watch a show on TV that treats it's gay character
just like any other.  Can anyone tell me about the man who plays the
character, John Innman?  Is this still playing in the UK?  Are gays
portraied better on British TV than here in the states?  

   Thanks!


Mary Anne Purcell
ma@camex.com     ...!uunet!camex!ma (I do not speak for Camex)
From: jhb@calmasd.prime.com (Jim Bishop)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Size of LGB Vote
Date: 11 Nov 92 05:44:25 GMT
Organization: -

In article <1dc7p1INN5pp@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, 
his@the-temple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - 
SunExpress Support Engineer) writes:

> I wonder whether
> gays tend to vote or tend not too.  I suspect, though, the reluctance to
> answer might make an answer difficult to get.  Anyone on motss who did
> not vote?
> 

Well, I read in a local gay paper that when the signatures on a local
petition drive asking the city to remove the boyscouts from city
property, 80% of signatures weren't registered voters.  The signatures
were gathered in the local gay bars.  This upset me somewhat until a
straight friend pointed out that it was likely that 80% of the people
in straight bars aren't registered either.

Jim
From: rrizzo@BBN.COM (Ron Rizzo)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: 2 new books
Date: 5 Nov 1992 23:12:52 GMT
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: archive.bbn.com
Keywords: Rupert Everett, Larry Rivers, actors, painters, hepcats


Has anyone read the new gay novel, HELLO DARLING, ARE YOU WORKING?, by English actor
Rupert Everett?  Everett played the Guy Burgess-as-an-adolescent-like character in
the movie version of the steamy public school drama ANOTHER COUNTRY.  His book is
a screwball comedy that goes on the gay Grand Tour to France and Morocco.  

I browsed in it a month ago in a bookstore: it looked like a very sharp and well-
written farce, but much lighter-in-the-loafers than a book like Andrew Harvey's
BURNING HOUSES.  Hardbound HELLO sells for $20.

************* Caution!  You are now entering a dishy paragraph. *****************

Unfortunately, Everett is a rather eager conformist, if a Boston Globe interview
he gave last week are any indication.  The currently fashionable platitudes drop
from his tongue like foam from a rabid sheepdog.  He disdains his novel as gay,
himself as gay writer, gay political activities as self-absorbed, the gay ghetto
(the locus of his novel) as a ghetto.  Yet sexually and emotionally his characters
come across as Euro-clones, gay male-median.  Even given that he's written a farce,
sex and style are precisely what's most prominent about Everett's creations, so his
phobia for the G-modifier is all the more curious.  He's hardly the individualist
his rhetoric approves.  He'd love to appear on a TV show like Entertainment Tonight
and seems to regard such a desire as evidence of iconoclasm..

************* You are now leaving a zone of dish.  Do visit again! **************

On the other hand we can forget the author's demons and enjoy his book.

A book with gay interest that I bought 2 weeks ago is WHAT DID I DO?  The Unauthor-
Autobiography of Larry Rivers, by Larry Rivers and Arnold Weinstein ($30).  Wein-
stein is a playwriting friend of the artist.

Rivers is one of the leading American painters of the post-abstract expressionist
generation, a colleague of Rauschenberg, Johns and the poet Frank O'Hara, with
whom he had an extended but not easily described erotic-emotional relationship.
Rivers began his career as a reefer-mad baritone saxophonist in the world of bebop.

He was briefly interviewed on NPR's Fresh Air last week by Terry Gross.  When
Terry asked about his descriptions of sex with men in his book, Rivers replied
that he is so heterosexual that homosexuality has never been a threat to him.  In
fact, it has fascinated him and he became a kind of queer wannabe for a number of
years, regularly going to gay bars, hanging out with gay men, getting picked up,
trying out a variety of sexual acts.

The book has been praised for its candor.

Weakly peering through bloodshot eyes,
Ron
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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Subject: Re: Social Democracy
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 19:07:46 GMT

> laura@hoptoad.UUCP (Laura Creighton) writes:

>People are pissed about discrimination.  People pass AA laws.
>AA laws do not fix discrimination, while tons of people
>rest secure in sanctimonious guilt-ridding that they have
>done something.  Any real solution languishes unheard.
>The reasons that AA has not worked  are not addressed...

Affirmative Action *has* worked.  It was never intended to be
the one solution for all racial problems in this country.  It
was intended to provide qualified people with access to higher
education and jobs.  If you look at the record over 25 years,
you'll see that it has done precisely that -- not as well as
it might, perhaps, but there are *millions* of women and
minorities who are living proof of its success.  I'm really
tired of hearing otherwise.
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From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Travesty or Transvestite
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 13:43:03 GMT

In article <1992Nov8.065532.11602@cs.mcgill.ca> akbar@cs.mcgill.ca (Alain BOUCHARD) writes:
:
:michael@resonex.com (Michael Bryan) writes:
:>
:>As I sit here at work this morning, I'm trying to sort through my
:>feelings about the travesty in Colorado.
:                    ^^^^^^^^
:In french, travesti is transvestite.  I assume in this context it is 
:synonym of tragedy.  Could anyone send me a better traduction?
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^

In English, traduction is ... well, look up traduce in your dictionary
and you'll be surprised how appropriate it is to the Colorado travesties :-)

G
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From: rogerk@QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Subject: Re: Colorado Addresses
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 03:46:00 GMT
Organization: QueerNet

In article <1992Nov6.173937.2253@access.usask.ca>, broughton@lambda.usask.ca ()
writes:
|> Can we boycott Cray Computer Corporation as well since it is in Colorado?

a) Since they don't have any products, that shouldn't be too difficult.
b) Even if they did, you couldn't afford them...
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From: rjwill6@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Marching on Washington and Protesting Bigotry
Date: 9 Nov 92 18:49:53 GMT
Article-I.D.: PacBell.1992Nov9.184953.969
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Francisco

> aberson@enh.nist.gov writes:
>> tal@plts.uucp (Tom Limoncelli) wrote:

>>I hate to be a downer, but MOW93 is so broke right now I don't think
>>it's going to happen.  They have to pay TONS of money before the event
>>starts, and can't count on collecting money at the end of the march (at
>>the end of MOW87 there were buckets that you could drop money into, I
>>didn't see many people giving money).
>> 
>>Time to start fundraising!  Remember all the money you AREN'T going to
>>send to Colorado?  Send it to MOW93!
>
>Have an address or phone number?

The 1993 March on Washington for Lesbian, Gay & Bi Equal Rights and Liberation
P.O Box 34607
Washington DC 20043-4607

800-832-2889

Your regional and/or local organizing committee needs $$$ too!
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From: axtell@cray.com (Maureen Axtell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Inconsistency re CO boycott
Date: 10 Nov 92 23:03:49 GMT
Distribution: soc
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.


Friends,       

I have a clue, actually several. And they come from observing the results
of activism strategies in lots of causes over quite a long period of time.
It's obvious some things work, and some don't.

My  first clue is that I don't fight battles with strategies that haven't
got a prayer ('scuse the pun) of winning.  CFV and the brethern have
so much damn money behind them it isn't funny.  An outright boycott of
everything in this state just isn't going to be effective.

The second clue is that the human race does not do things because
they are correct or fair or right.  Change happens because the
current situation is no longer comfortable. We aren't going to get
rights because the good citizens here have compassion.  The change
will happen because they each see a benefit to having gay rights.

And Bob,  I could care less where you take YOUR money. Right now,
I could make a few suggestions, but they are neither polite nor
appropriate for this forum.  I will put mine into positive effective
After all, it IS my money.

-maureen
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From: glenns@tronsbox.xei.com (Glenn S.)
Subject: Re: Re: Lesbianville on 20/20
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises Inc.
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 19:09:02 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.104910.2149@netcom.com> cjlee@netcom.com (Caroline Jean Lee) writes:

>IMHO, Gender inequity, sexism, women's health, and the like are not just
>"women's interests," they are matters of concern to both men and
>women.

I agree with you.  However, men (generally) do not know what interests women.
If women started a thread about women's issues, I do think that men would join
in, but I don't think they would try to start the issue.  It's too easy to
step on people's toes when you're not sure of what you want to say....

>I think the problem is *not* men posting about issues related to
>gender inequity, women's health, and a variety of other "women's"
>issues, but a lack of sensitivity when women respond to such posts by
>saying "that has not been my experience."

I would imagine that that awkwardness would be similar to straight folk
posting about them "homo-SECCS-you-uhl child mo-les-ters", and getting responses
stating that the majority are actually heterosexual.  (In both cases, the 
person who knows what it is to be female/homosexual is telling the male/
heterosexual that they're wrong..... people usually aren't too pleased to be
told they're wrong....)

>For men not to talk about "women's issues," or for whites not to talk
>about "people of color" issues too often seems to me to be a way for
>people to avoid painful confrontations about their own sexism and/or
>racism. After all, if you don't bring it up, people can't call you on
>it. Or so the logic goes, on an unconscious level.

Exactly.  Like I said, people don't like being told they're wrong.  (Note:
This is a generality, there actually are some people who prefer being told
they're wrong, rather than going through life thinking they're right...)

B*B
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: the purpose of soc.motss (was: off-topic discussions)
Date: 8 Nov 1992 15:12:34 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Nov8.212335.16424@spdcc.com> 
dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> In article <1djqkhINNor7@mizar.usc.edu>
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> >Look, doll, the fact that I'm a nelly faggot colors -- hell,
> >practically determines -- everything I think about, everything 
> >I write about, everything I talk about.
>
> Well, you did a good Bob Sarver imitation when you visited Boston!
> You were _so_ butch! (Big Arne smiley here.)

Steve, dear, I'm a chameleon that way.  I just blend in with 
the people I happen to be with, so is it any wonder I was so
intensely butch when I was surrounded by all those butch 
Beantown numbers?  Now that I'm safely at home, however, I've 
reverted to my normal coloring.  As I type this, for instance,
I'm listening to Ethel Merman's _Autobiography_, a fabulous
CD reissue (with some cuts) of the two lp set of her greatest
hits that Merman recorded in 1957.  (It's available as AXIS
CDAX 701561, for those of you interested.)  The Merm is singing
"Blow, Gabriel, Blow" now.  Sheer bliss.

>>I don't draw these
>>distinctions between the gay and the not-gay aspects of my
>>life that you seem able to do with yours,
>
> Well, you know these class-of-'94's: not-gay is what they study in
> school and how they act in class, 

And not just in class -- it's how they act whenever they're in
public.

> and gay is what they do when they
> get together amongst themselves to dance on the tables with the
> shades drawn.  Or maybe they debate politics these days; I'm not
> sure.

Politics?  Somehow I don't think so.  No, I picture them
giving house parties with the door securely locked and the
shades drawn.  They put on Madonna and prance around copying
her moves. 

> >and I would actively
> >campaign against any attempt to muzzle soc.motss.  Could you
> >please explain what it is, exactly, that you'd like to see
> >written about here to the exclusion of all else?
>
> Indeed.  I can't wait to read this.

I can't wait for it myself.

Arne

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From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky)
Subject: Re: Boycott of Colorado
Keywords: businesses, organizations,etc.
Organization: Vpnet Public Access
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1992 13:44:15 GMT

In article <1992Nov4.194317.11397@b8.b8.ingr.com> jarret@b8.b8.ingr.com (Jarret Mitchel) writes:
>Since the measure passed in Colorado yesterday I would like
>to find out what major businesses, organizations, etc have
>their main interests in that state 

    Coors Beer -> Hmmmmmm, where have I heard that name before?

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From: susan@cs.tufts.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: What about a re-vote?
Date: 10 Nov 92 21:46:46 GMT
Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA


Since Colorado #2 passed, some people have pointed out that
it is now up to the courts at least until the next big election.
Obviously, people and companies within Colorado can urge that
the issue go to court, and those companies that have anti-discrimination
policies can _say_ they will stand by them (but a law suit could change that
I think).  (I'm rambling..but) is there any way to force a re-vote
sooner than the next big election?  Is there any way that if enough
people and companies push for it, that a state-wide vote can happen
at an unusual time?  Would this help even if it could happen?
Just what is required to overturn (vote wise - I realize federal courts can
say it is unconstitutional) a state amendment?
 
-susan
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: lovegod@wam.umd.edu (Donald Andrew Agarrat)
Subject: Re: In a New Stall
Organization: Workstations at Maryland, University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 07:24:17 GMT

You have such lovely hair?  Have you ever thought about doing  
shampoo commercials?

Donald
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From: entropy@world.std.com (The Entropic one)
Subject: Going on the offensive
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:14:45 GMT

I've seen several mentions in the press about laws restricting the
political activities of non profit groups. It seems that Pat Robertsons
groups are pretty blantantly violating these laws. Just imagine what
would happen to CBN if they had to pay all the back taxs they owe....
With that thought it mind dial your congress critters and ask them
to look into it. If 50,000 people really read this group and if each
and everyone makes those calls it will be looked into....

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From: gklein@uoft02.utoledo.edu (Gary Klein, bear at heart)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Next time around, with Mabon & Co.
Date: 7 Nov 92 18:15:56 EST
Organization: Carlson Library, Univ of Toledo

     Having put most of my energies this past year into campus wide awareness
of LesBiGay issues, I may be a bit naive about this, but isn't there some steps
which people can take to help kill the likes of RETURN OF MABON'S OREGON#9 ?

     For instance, no matter what state/county/city you live in, you need to
acquire so many #s of VALID signatures from registered voters to put an
initiative up on the next ballot.

     What would happen if forgetful, but meaningful Klutzes VOLUNTEERED their
time and energy to secure signatures, only to find out that people were signing
in the WRONG place, or not getting witnesses, or failing to have a notary
public attest to their lists, ETC!

     Also, since these groups are starting up again, and they are looking for
support, why not contact them, give them your Mailing Address & Phone number,
tell them that you want to keep on top of it, and see how you can volunteer.

     AFTER ALL it costs money to send out postage & envelopes, install phone
lines and make calls, ETC.  And they just might judge the community the wrong
way if there APPEARS to be a large amount of support during the early phases of
their signature collection efforts!

BUT REMEMBER, THIS CAN BACKFIRE AGAINST ANY GROUP... and who wants to validate
someone's fears about "the homosexual agenda"?

     Just my $0.02 of post-election opinions! 
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From: mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon)
Subject: Re: Social Democracy
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:58:55 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc.
Followup-To: soc.motss

In article <19921109143325ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU>,
ECL4JN2@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Jack B. Nimble) wrote:

> I:
> >>>>First, my use of the term "Tinkerbell" is no more homophobic
> >>>>than is any other group-referential designation that we are
> >>>>wont to use such as "queer", "queen", or "fairy".
> >
> Anderson:
> >>>In your use, all of those terms would be homophobic
> >>>epithets.  I might add I have some difficulty imaging you as
> >>>part of the "us" you refer to.
> 
> Thus despite your specious claims to the contrary above, it really
> is the term totalitarian that chaps your hide.

Well, damn me!  I doubt even Anderson's ass can wiggle out of
this one.  You've been crucified, Jezeboo.  Unless, of course,
Tinkerbells cannot be Totalitarian because to be Totalitarian
requires power, and Tinkerbells have no power...

*X*
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From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: GOP's future; living with the enemy
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 06:14:21 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.181319.16857@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:
>In article <1992Nov06.130045.25084@watson.ibm.com>, jakec@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>> 
>> darling, if [Kemp] does run for Prez in '96, he will
>> undoubtedly get married.
>
>  Maybe in Hawaii after they legalize same sex marriages? 
>  :-) :-)

Keep them fingers, toes and other appendages tightly crossed, kiddies;
the decision should be coming down any time in the next month.

This is as suspenseful as the election.

--John
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