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From: hoekema@fwi.uva.nl (Eelco Hoekema)
Subject: Re: Who should play on a national team?
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 10:29:15 GMT

160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu () writes:
>Question is: given the increased player mobility, does international soccer
>need firmer nationality criteria? Is place of birth a good enough one?

A player is allowed to play for a country's national team when he has never
played for another country's national team before. Once a player has played
for a country (even under 16) he cannot play for another country anymore.

mazzel

eelco
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From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: FIFA propoesed changes to (OCEANIA) Southern America
Date: 22 Aug 92 19:51:27 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:

>Note, that neither of these 2 South American teams has won
>any single match with an European team. So, who still
>thinks that South America is under-represented in WC finals?

I do. Just as Europe is. However the system has to give all countries -
no matter where they are a chance to qualify, so spots has to be given
to areas with little succes in the past. 
-- 
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From: J.M.Ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk (J.M.Ross)
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Subject: Biggest Stadium (was FIFA Proposed Changes to OCEANIA (South America)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 10:14:15 +0000







In article <l95o5gINNc84@pollux.usc.edu> cluck@pollux.usc.edu (Carlos L. Luck)
writes

>Small correction here: the 1950 World Cup was decided in a final but in
>a 4 team tournament. Uruguay and Brazil meet in their last match with
>Brazil only needing a draw to take home the cup. Uruguay won 1-0.

>Even smaller correction here: if I recall correctly (from the records; I'm
>not that old :-)), the tragedy of the so-called 1950 final (for us
>Brazilians, obviously) was that indeed Brazil needed a draw and we were
>even ahead in the first half 1-0. Uruguay scored twice in the second
>half. So the final score was 2-1. That was the inauguration of Maracana~,
>the (still) largest stadium in the world, and the record attendance of
>over 150 000 is still unmatched in World Cup games (correct me if I'm
>wrong). These numbers have long been surpassed in Brazil though, since
>final matches in either Maracana~ in Rio or Morumbi in Sao Paulo (the second
>largest) gather over 230 000.

When I was in Prague in the summer I visited a massive stadium complex (I
think one of the stadiums is Dukla Prague's). It is claimed that the largest
of the stadiums (used mainly for athletics but occasionally football) holds
250 000, some 50 000 more than the Maracana's official capacity. You could
easily get two full-sized football pitches into it.

James M. Ross
(j.m.ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk)
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From: llk@kepler.unh.edu (Llolsten L Kaonga)
Subject: Re: Geoff Thomas goes to Blackburn Rovers
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:31:48 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.113851.4046@syma.sussex.ac.uk> mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin) writes:
>Geoff Thomas has apparently moved to Blackburn Rovers for a bargain
>basement price of something in excess of 3 million pounds.
>
>Is this a deliberate ploy by Kenny to try to inflate the transfer
>market still further? Or is he just mad?
>
>Answers on a postcard please...
ANSWER: None of the above... he was taking a nap while doing the deal. :-)

lk(with the man in the yellow hat)
From: fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona)
Subject: Reply To Senior Carlos'
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 13 Aug 92 22:45:36 GMT

From ucivax!news.claremont.edu!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!darwin.sura.net!jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.cc.lehigh.edu!lafibm.lafayette.edu Thu Aug 13 15:05:46 PDT 1992
Article: 27111 of rec.sport.soccer
From: balinton@space.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Maradona
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 22:42:47 GMT

In article <7748@public.BTR.COM> car@public.BTR.COM (Carlos Rimola-Sarti 
car@btr.com) writes:

>This is the key question, why won't Napoli let Maradona go?  It certainly
>would be the easiest thing to do at this point.  I believe it has to do
>with either a) the pride of Napoli's directive (giving in) or b) they 
>considered the comeback of Diego as a great increase in the probability
>of Napoli winning anothe Seria A championship.

(Further discussion deleted)

   Has it been made clear whether or not Napoli would be "transferred" to
Sevilla or OM, or elsewhere.  I have never heard of any compensation being 
given to Napoli if Maradona is allowed to play elsewhere.  That is where I
object as Napoli owns his rights if he is going to play anywhere.  I have
only understood it to be that Diego will be forced to play at Napoli or will
be allowed to go where he wants.  Isn't it a matter of he should play for
Napoli or Napoli should transfer him somewhere?  

   So, Sevilla wants him and clearly Diego says he won't play for Napoli.  I
can't believe any team wants any player who is that disgruntled, so I would
think Napoli would be open to offers...  And if not, Diego can sit at home
in Argentina and watch other people play the sport.

I haven't ever heard of transfer being discussed; am I way off here?

Thanks,
Beverly
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From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: reply to Carlos (long, 1.5 pages)
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 07:13:33 GMT

In article <9208181435.aa11606@ingate.microsoft.COM> t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci) writes:
>The following is based on teams making it to the semi-finals and the 
>finals.  Total World Cups played 14.
>
>		Participated	Won	Second	Third	Fourth
>
>West Germany		9	3	3	2	1
>Brazil			7	3	1	2	1
>Italy			6	3	1	1	1
>Argentina		4	2	2
>Uruguay		4	2			2
>Austria		3	1		1	1
>Sweden			3		1	1	1
>France			3			2	1
>Czechoslovakia		2		2
>Holland		2		2
>Hungary		2		2
>England		2	1			1
>Poland			2			2
>Chile			1			1
>Portugal		1			1
>US			1			1
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wrong! The US were not 3rd, but 3rd/4th together with Yugoslavia.

>Belgium		1				1
>Spain			1				1
>USSR			1				1
>Yugoslavia		1				1
 ^^^^^^^^^^
This should be:
 Yugoslavia             2                       0.5     1.5


Regards.

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From: hofmeist@zorro.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Thomas Hofmeister)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Bundesliga 2 results, 8th round
Date: 13 Aug 1992 09:53:48 GMT
Organization: CS Department, University of Dortmund, Germany
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Originator: hofmeist@zorro

Bundesliga 2, 8th round, games were played on tuesday and wednesday.

      Mainz 05 2-1  Stuttgarter K.
    Hertha BSC  -   Unterhaching
      Mannheim 1-2  Freiburg
     Darmstadt 1-4  F. Koeln
 C. Zeiss Jena 1-2  VfL Wolfsburg
  Braunschweig 3-2  Wuppertaler SV
     Remscheid 1-O  FC Chemnitz
   VfB Leipzig  -   Hannover 96
     St. Pauli O-2  Hansa Rostock
  MSV Duisburg 1-1  VfB Oldenburg
    FC Homburg 5-O  Duesseldorf
     SV Meppen 1-O  Osnabrueck

 1 Freiburg       6  2  O   23- 8 14: 2
 2 VfB Leipzig    5  2  O   11- 3 12: 2
 3 C. Zeiss Jena  5  1  2   14-1O 11: 5
 4 Mainz 05       5  1  2   12- 8 11: 5
 5 FC Homburg     4  2  2   13- 8 1O: 6
 6 MSV Duisburg   3  4  1   11- 6 1O: 6
 7 VfL Wolfsburg  4  2  2   16-12 1O: 6
 8 F. Koeln       3  3  2    8- 4  9: 7
 9 Hansa Rostock  3  3  2    8- 5  9: 7
1O SV Meppen      3  3  2    7- 6  9: 7
11 St. Pauli      3  3  2    9- 9  9: 7
12 Mannheim       4  1  3    8-1O  9: 7
13 Osnabrueck     3  2  3   16-12  8: 8
14 Braunschweig   3  2  3   1O-11  8: 8
15 Hannover 96    3  1  3   14-11  7: 7
16 FC Chemnitz    3  1  4    5- 7  7: 9
17 Remscheid      2  3  3    8-14  7: 9
18 Wuppertaler SV 3  O  5   13-1O  6:1O
19 Hertha BSC     1  3  3    5-11  5: 9
2O VfB Oldenburg  1  3  4    6-14  5:11
21 Stuttgarter K. 1  2  5    4-11  4:12
22 Darmstadt      1  2  5    8-19  4:12
23 Duesseldorf    O  3  5    7-17  3:13
24 Unterhaching   O  1  6    4-14  1:13
From: fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona)
Subject: Re: Reply to Carlos'
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Reply-To: fkhoury@ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona)
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 17 Aug 92 01:04:13 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.115932.367@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:
>In article <2A8AF9CF.23739@ics.uci.edu>, fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona) writes:
>>
<---------------------------alot of stuff deleted----------------------------->

>> If NewZeland played the same soccer, I would have probably liked theirs
>> as well.
>
>3 - There's no danger of that.

--> I agree with you that there is no danger of that because this will never
    ever happen  Thanx for playing.

  Joe

>
>Alan

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From: mppu3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Conor McMenamin)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Reply to Carlos'
Date: 14 Aug 92 09:09:48 GMT
Organization: University of Sussex

fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona) writes:
: 
: >> As a Syrian, I grew up worshiping the Argentenian soccer cuz my whole body
: >> shakes when they are playing.  When watching these guys play, I get the
: >> feeling that a lot of them were born with a soccer ball in their hands.
: >
: >Well that would explain a lot :-) :-) :-).
: >
: >Alan
: 
: Well.  Could you further explain what you meant?
: What does the fact of me being Syrian have to do with me worshipping the
: Argentinian soccer?
: If NewZeland played the same soccer, I would have probably liked theirs
: as well.
	Whooah there! I do believe this was a joke:
You said:
	'a lot of them were born with a soccer ball in their hands'
                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think Alan was referring to the (lest we forget) 'Hand of God'
incident.

	By the way, do the Russians (at least I think it was them) winge
on and on about Maradona denying them a goal in the last WC by handling
on the line and getting away with it? No, thought not.

Conor :-)
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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: American Airlines Cup
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:03:35 GMT

Club America from Mexico beat the Dallas Rockets 2-1 in Dallas.  This was the
first of two legs.  Hugo Sanchez scored the game winner in the 72nd minute.
There was a crowd of 8700 at the game.

The second leg is scheduled for early August but I haven't heard a result yet.

The winner of this will play the San Francisco Bay Blackhawks in the group
final for a berth in the final four.

Andy
From: csp48@seq1.keele.ac.uk (J.W. Kirriemuir)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: RESULT NEEDED
Date: 20 Aug 92 11:40:21 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

Anyone know the result of Aston Villa vs Leeds United from last night?
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From: psima01@convex.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (M. Maisack)
Subject: FC Tirol
Summary: na sowas
Keywords: where have they gone?
Organization: Comp. Center (ZDV) U of Tuebingen, FRG
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 07:36:05 GMT

I must have missed s.th. about Austrian soccer:
where did FC Swarovski (sp?) Tirol go?
were they relegated? do they still exist?

puzzled
Michael
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From: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu (Luis Miguel Silveira)
Subject: Re: *** MARADONA (present & future) ***
Reply-To: lms@rle-vlsi.mit.edu
Organization: Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of
	Technology
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 19:04:11 GMT




Diego Maradona signed a contract and received a lot of money and
benefits for it.  *Why* should he be allowed to forego the remaining
years in his contract while his team (Napoli) is supposed to let him
go if he does not want to play for them ?

At this point it is clear that Maradona will not play for Napoli again
(his outrageous demands were clearly made just so they would have no
chance of being accepted).  It seems that Napoli would do better to
sell his contract to some other team (for a bundle) and buy some other
younger players, more willing to play and fulfill their contracts

On the other hand I can understand Napoli's position.  Players are
professionals.  If they sign a contract they are (as any professional
anywhere, in any business) supposed to abide by their signature.  If
Napoli lets Maradona do whatever he wants they will be setting a bad
precedent.

You may like or dislike Maradona, that is not the issue.  This is a
legal issue and one of honor.  Maradona signed a contract of his own
free will, so he must live through his word!

-Luis Miguel


ps - I have nothing against Maradona or anyone else, but I still
believe a [man/woman]'s word should be worth something.


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From: arnold@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;PK54)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Premier league results??
Date: 16 Aug 1992 05:50:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
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From: dvlkhh@cs.umu.se
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Subject: Re: Reply to Senior Carlos' (Francis)
Date: 20 Aug 1992 10:11:02 -0500
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Wouldn't it be more fair to compare the number of participants in the sport
rather than the population???
Anyone having these figures?

Kent
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From: estess@mksol.dseg.ti.com (newell estess)
Subject: Re: American Airlines Cup
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:06:29 GMT

In <1992Aug14.160335.23445@europa.asd.contel.com> andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa) writes:

>Club America from Mexico beat the Dallas Rockets 2-1 in Dallas.  This was the
>first of two legs.  Hugo Sanchez scored the game winner in the 72nd minute.
>There was a crowd of 8700 at the game.

>The second leg is scheduled for early August but I haven't heard a result yet.

>The winner of this will play the San Francisco Bay Blackhawks in the group
>final for a berth in the final four.

>Andy

I heard a report that Club America won by a score of 5-1.  Can anyone
confirm?

						Sam
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From: fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona)
Subject: Man Untd Squad
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 13 Aug 92 02:12:50 GMT


Can anyone post Manchester United Squad for this season?

                                                            Thanx,

                                                            F. J. K.
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E-mail  : fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu

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*---> The Sky is Light blue with white, so GOD is a fan of ARGENTINA.<---*
                and the king ***DIEGO ARMENDO MARADONA***

Members of the ARGENTENIAN national team that won the World Cup 1986:
22- Nierie Pompido            GoalKeeper
19- Oscar Rogeri              Right-back
5 - Jose Brown                Libero
16- Olareteciocha             Left-back
2 - Daniel Batista            Mid-fielder
14- Recardo Guisti            Mid-fielder
12- Oscar Henrique            Mid-fielder
7 - Jorje Buruchaga           Mid-fielder
10- DIEGO ARMENDO MARADONA    Mid-fielder  "Captain" "Award of Best Player"
4 - Claudio Borgie            Attacker
11- Jorje Valdano             Attacker

Members of the ARGENTINIAN national team, the runner-up, in World Cup 1990:
12- Goycitechia              GoalKeeper
19- Oscar Rogeri              Right-back
20- Juan Simon                Libero
16- Olareteciocha             Left-back
18- Serizuella                Defender
14- Recardo Guisti            Mid-fielder
4-  Daniel Basualdo           Mid-fielder
7 - Jorje Buruchaga           Mid-fielder
10- DIEGO ARMENDO MARADONA    Mid-fielder  "Captain"
8 - Claudio Canegia           Attacker
6 - Calderon                  Attacker
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Subject: Re: Dundee
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 11:28:00 +0000







In article <1992Aug19.082854.4160@rdg.dec.com> spain@galvia.enet.dec.com
(Gary Spain)

>In article <1992Aug19.022810.15565@massey.ac.nz>, R.D.Lynn@massey.ac.nz (R.D. L
y
>nn) writes:

>|>
>|>Being a Scottish football fan here in New Zealand (though never having left
>|>N.Z.), I was wondering if there were religious differences between Dundee
>|>and Dundee United? An Arsenal fan I knew told me that there were and the same

>|>applied to teams from the big cities in the North of England. I was wondering

>|>if someone could tell me if it is true or not?

>Not really.  A long time ago Dundee United were known as Dundee Harp and
>had a large Catholic support. 

Dundee Harp are nothing to do with Dundee Utd, they went out of business
around the turn of the century. United were originally called Dundee Hibernians
and were formed as an Irish Catholic team to tap the support of the large number

of immigrants around at the time. By the 20's the bulk of their support was no
longer Irish or Catholic so they tried to change their name to Dundee City.
Dundee FC objected on the grounds that they were the senior club in Dundee and
so should have the City tag if anyone, so the present title of Dundee United 
was chosen.
From: rob@cwi.nl (Rob van Rooijen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Arc outside penalty box
Date: 20 Aug 92 06:35:56 GMT

dars@joplin.biosci.arizona.edu (David AR. Sanders) writes:

> And so it shouldn't.... I'm pretty sure that the arc is there so that
> everybody complies with the 10-yard from the ball rule when the penalty-
> taker takes the shot...... I know it seems strange that the attacking players
> must be 10 yards from the ball as well, bu this was done to prevent
> players from tunring the penalty-shot into a two on none, which is
> theoretically possible.

and not only theoretically! It has been done by two former players of
Ajax Amsterdam: Johan Cruyff (who else) with, I thought, Jesper Olsen.

Rob.

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From: mikec@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael Cherkassoff)
Subject: Re: Did New Zealand really beat Scotland in 1982 ??? 
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:17:02 GMT

In <1992Aug20.115349.418@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> cctr123@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Alan Murray, CSC Operations, Uni of Canty) writes:

>ps for the record New Zealand 2 Scotland 5 and I thought the game against USSR
>ended 2-0 after that dickhead Kenny Cresswell missed a chance to put NZ i up in
>the first minute when he scooped the ball over the bar from about 6 inches.

Well, as I already mentioned, the game ended 3-0, with the scorers in USSR
team : Blokhin, Gavrilov and Baltacha (?).
(BTW, this dickhead could have scored two goals , and it wouldn't prevent 
New Zealand from the loss. The teams were pretty unequal).

Cheers,

Michael.
From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Soccer in Barcelona 92 - some final thoughts
Date: 22 Aug 92 09:38:51 GMT
	<FISCHER.92Aug15044436@steiner.iesd.auc.dk>
	<1992Aug17.080403.19382@fuw.edu.pl>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Michal" == Michal Szleper (michals@fuw.edu.pl)
>>>>> "Lars" == Lars P. Fischer (fischer@iesd.auc.dk)

Michal> In WC, after 36 matches 16 teams out of 24 qualify to round 2.
Michal> That is, per average 4.5 matches to eliminate 1 team. 

Agreed -- it's silly that 3rd placed teams in a group qualify for 2nd
round.

Lars> (...) Face it, Polish is quite remote to some of us. We do our
Lars> best, but don't demand perfection. Don't let such things anger
Lars> you --

Michal> For you, the Danish, it really shouldn't be so remote. It is just some
Michal> 200 kilometers!

Ah, but language is not obeyed by physical distance. While Poland
might be just around the corner, Polish is not at all like Danish and
most the spelling of most Polish words or names is *very* hard for me
to get the hang of.

/Lars
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