HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: dms4s@uvacs.cs.Virginia.EDU (Sailor on the Seas of Fate)
Subject: Are most of us Hetero guys really that insensitive?
Originator: dms4s@helga13.acc.Virginia.EDU
Organization: University of Virginia Computer Science Department
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 05:27:06 GMT


	I was talking today to my good friend who recently realized she
is bisexual, that she is in love with another woman.  She knows that I had
rather strong feelings for her before she told me about it. 
	During all the time that she's been exploring her feelings
and learning what it means to be bisexual, I've done my best to be there
in support.  I really care for her and want with all my heart for her to
be happy.
        So today she asks me why I stuck behind her during all this, since
I knew she was in love with a woman.  I wasn't sure how to respond at first,
the question didn't seem to make sense. I mean, I love her and want her to
be happy, what other reason do I need?
       But I've been thinking about why she would ask, and I've come to the
conclusion that maybe she thinks men are only going to be interested in 
a woman if there is a chance the woman will be interested in him. What
I'd like to know, is this a common perception of the hetero male?  Are most 
hetero men seen as only being comfortable with relaitionships with other
heterosexuals? I feel kind of embarrassed that my friend would even have
to wonder why I was willing to remain her friend.

Later daze,

Dave
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eowyn@ravel.udel.edu (Zoe Antonia Velonis)
Subject: Re: Appearances on and off the net (was Re: Why I read a.s.a.r)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 03:54:52 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.015348.8553@midway.uchicago.edu> ss19@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <C1DsEy.CIy@news.udel.edu> eowyn@brahms.udel.edu (Zoe Antonia Velonis) writes:

>>Off-net, with people from the net, though...Are you sure you've never fondled
>>anyone in public on the net?
>
>   Well, not since about 1pm (EDT) today, and that's about 6 hours
>ago, which is long enough to be disregarded.

Aaawww...I feel so sorry for you....go on.  I know you want to fondle someone.
It'll make you feel good...everyone else is doin' it...and you've got a whole
UDel contingent to do it with....

>>I was under the impression that displays of blatancy were what you were being
>>employed for...or at least, what you were employing...
>
>   *I* didn't put the mistletoe up!

Okay, points to you....but you *did* have difficulty in seeing it, so I *had*
to physically point it out to you....

>                 ____
>   david parsons \bi/ orc@sybase.com
>                  \/

Zoe (rapidly lowering her purity test score...all I need now are women...women)
From: bvntyler@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Very [Bi]Sexual Professional Amateur Nudist!)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Fluff for Steve L (Was Re: Clueless hetboys and bi's)
Date: 28 Jan 93 13:19:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1993Jan26.231017.27215@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>, dwells@lonestar.utsa.edu (Darren . Wells) writes...
>In article <C1Fyyq.JoM@news.udel.edu>
> kyraan@bach.udel.edu (Stephen Ch Litterst) writes:
> 
>>just came out last week.  I'm having a few problems with it and really need
>>to talk to Jim, but that all goes in a different post at a later date.
> 
>Sorry to hear you are having problems, buddy.  Have a great big
>furry *HUG*.
> 
>Darren
>(yes, I admit this is total fluff)

*AND* furry fluff!

  Here, stephen have some more
 hugznhugglesnasmoochrtwo

Dave
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Talking about sex (was Re: Party Face, Net Face)
From: orc@sybase.com (Orc)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:00:29 GMT
Reply-To: ss19@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Department of Ambiguity

In article <9301241241.AA16205@pizzabox.demon.co.uk> gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
>:to someone who hasn't been sexual?  I know that during the
>:intervals when I was celibate, and, for that matter, before I
>:started becoming an e-slut, I would get rather uncomfortable
>:listening to people discuss their sexual experiences, et alii, and
>
>Your discomfort hasn't stopped you doing the same yourself here,
>at length, continuously, every day, for the last three months
>though, has it?

   So, Graham, are you uncomfortable with this, jealous, or just
being rude because it's your nature?

  Now fuck off (tm)

  *plonk*

                ____
  david parsons \bi/ orc@sybase.com
                 \/
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: an2839@anon.penet.fi (Archer)
Subject: Re: What to do at a bar?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.bi
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 06:16:09 GMT

litterst@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Stephen Litterst) writes:
> >   For being really twisted, ever consider giving a purity test to
> >your partner while having sex?
> 
> You know... there's something to be said for good imaginations.  In all the
> years that I've been the keeper of the purity tests I've never thought of
> that.

Well, Purity tests _are_ usually taken in groups...
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: Re: question about the triangle
Reply-To: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:28:07 GMT

In article <1993Jan25.205743.21314@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Scorpii) writes:
>In <1993Jan24.201746.25459@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>
>
>>Anyway, That's what it means. I don't know when it started. There are other
>>groups who use triangular symbols (Illuminati posers for example) but if you
>>see it upside down this reading is a safe bet. Especially in a place like this.
>
>>  -Ximena
>
>"Illuminati posers?"  That's me you're talking about, hon.

I'm sure you'll get over it. ;)

Some of my best friends are Illuminati posers. (One of them is the only person
I've ever heard of who 1. won his first game, and 2. won with Cthulhu, both
events occurring simultaneously.) The fact that they are my best buddies does
not prevent me from laughing at them--er I mean being honest with myself about
their little failings.

>In any case, to throw out some utterly trivial info, the Illuminati symbol
>(which is intended specifically to represent Adam Weishaupt's Bavarian
>Illuminati) is a triangle with an eye in it, more specifically one face of a
>pyramid with an eye in it.  It's kind of like the one on the back of a
>dollar bill, except that the top section is not detached.

Yes, I know this, but I'm glad you posted it for those innocent bystanders on
the net whom I would not have wished misled by my snarky comment. (No, really!)

>And for the record, I am not an "Illuminati poser"

But you just SAID..

...I merely enjoy playing
>the rollicking mini-game ILLUMINATI from Steve Jackson games, as well as
>reading the Illuminati Chronicles by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson. 
>If conspiracy theories and silly sci-fi intrigue you, pick up the
>latter...if you prefer being PART of the conspiracy, play the former.  No,
>no, don't thank me, just watch your back....

Thank you, I have read and played. Just avoided addiction. And if you're going
to insist on  sulking about it, you can just wash your own back while you're
conquering the world, so there. };)

>Drewcifer the Illuminated
>-- 
>***************************************************************************
>** Andrew David Simchik, registered Scorpio ************* SCHNOPIA! *******
>***************************************************************************
>as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

  -Schwartzberg the Vastly Tickled
From: orc@sybase.com (Orc)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Polyamory and friendships
Date: 25 Jan 93 04:17:48 GMT
Reply-To: ss19@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Department of Ambiguity

In article <1993Jan23.064424.17527@fuug.fi> an2839@anon.penet.fi (Archer) writes:
[discusses a polyamourous friendship with a couple]
>
>  Is there any way to allow Dave
>to "get used" to the idea of Debbie and I exploring together without
>causing problems?  Our idea was to gradually increase the amount of
>physical contact betwen Debbie and I around David, but this could
>backfire.

    Have you and/or Debbie come out (so to speak) and told him that
you two fancy each other?  That's a start.

>We are all trying our best to keep communication, and keeping their
>relationship together is my primary concern.  I can't see how this can
>easily be done when she wants more freedom and he wants her close.
>Not involving myself would be the best solution, but wouldn't be fair
>to her (or me).

   If keeping their relationship together is your primary concern,
it might be better to mention to each of them that they discuss it,
and then make yourself scarce until they work it out.  If David has
trouble forming relationships, he's probably terrified that you'll
sweep in and take Debbie away.  (And if you and Debbie keep doing
what you've described, I'd give a really high chance that he'll
become insanely jealous and act in such a way to drive Debbie away,
most likely into the arms of her nearest MOTAS friend.  If that's
you, that would kill your friendship with the man.)

   Communicate.  Bail out if you feel that you're a threat, and
being sexual with Debbie isn't as important as remaining friends
with David or keeping their relationship intact.  But, in any case,
communicate.  If he's got net access, point him at alt.polyamory,
which, even if it isn't perfect, is most likely the best bet he has
of grokking topologically complex relationships.

                 ____
   david parsons \bi/ Who's been in that boat, and didn't like it one
                  \/  damn bit.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet)
Subject: Re: Lovely film, I cried
Organization: the house on the corner
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:26:30 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.112506.16436@infodev.cam.ac.uk> gdb15@cl.cam.ac.uk writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.210928.10009@cbnews.cb.att.com> eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (Piglet) writes:
>>And a bad one, too.  His scansion sucks!  (No comment on what else
>>might engage in that kind of behavior...)
>
>Eh?  It's perfect: iambic tetrameter followed by iambic trimeter.

Perfect?  PERFECT??  Yuck!  Iambic pentameter, I might agree with you,
but this mish-mash of metrical impurity?

>Just a minute, aren't you the person who recently claimed on soc.singles
>that Douglas Adams invented the phrase "believe six impossible things
>before breakfast"?

Nope.  Uh uh.  No way.  Not me.  I misread the verb--I thought we
were talking about _do_ing six impossible things before breakfast.
I wasn't thinking Red Queen, then, I was thinking Milliway's...




Piglet
From: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: How to have a good cry?
Date: 25 Jan 93 19:58:59 GMT
Reply-To: st891487@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University

Well, I find that exhaustion and caffeine in about equal measures
work well to loosen up my non-shiny-happy glands enough to 
express 'em (usually in the form of stomping around, kicking in 
doors, etc.) until finally I just give it up and have a good wail.
Happens quite a lot around finals time and so forth. 

Nonchemical means, though...ummm...if you can find a friend 
who is willing to put up with your shit for awhile (these beasties
are kinda rare, you know, the ones who Really Love You), telling
The Whole Sordid Story (kicking in doors, stomping around, etc.)
and allowing a good solid Wallow In Self-Pity, will probably 
also open the floodgates. Usually takes somebody _telling_ you
it's OK. Why this is is an interesting question; I think it has
to do with self-reliance (I'm not a cryer either, and it fucking 
hurts, but I'll never admit it).

I personally prefer not to lose it in front of witnesses too 
often. (It's been happening too often lately, but they all keep
telling me it's a graduating-senior thing, not my fault, blah 
blah bullshit bullshit.) People stop taking it seriously 
after awhile. But altogether I'd rather have somebody listen to 
my tantrum than otherwise...

Anybody Else?

  -Ximena the pithy
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: seamus@ravel.udel.edu (James G Dilmore)
Subject: Re: Orc's visit. FUN!FUN!FUN!
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 01:54:11 GMT

Delaware soc.biers post about the evening.

> [Stuff about a certain individual deleted]

Again I am a bitch.  I am sorry that I must.

Some issues are private.  With the volume of muffins who read this group.
some topics should not be discussed.  Privacy is important to me and to many
people.  We get a rush out of being out to 30,000 people.  How about 
outing someone in front of 30,000 people?  Someone is bisexual if they choose
to identify so.  The issue is not anyone elses business. People are not 
defined by their past actions and we should not impose any judgements or 
anything.  Not only have you violated his privacy, you have potential 
endangered him.  The climate in this town is not conducive to being percieved
as queer.  If someone read this group and got a list of names it would be
easy to have some people included who did not want to be.  That has been
facilitated by the last couple of posts.  No more.  Do you remember how
nervous you were the first time you posted?  You made his decision for him.
Do not call me on this one.  Do not come to see me.  I have work to do
and I am too pissed off right now.  Mail me.  Expect no response.  
I realize that this is a personal issue.  Perhaps it is not net worthy.
To me it is.  It is a potential problem besides an actualized one.  It should
be addressed in the forum.   
>
Jim
-- 
Jim Dilmore - seamus@brahms.udel.edu    or    dilmore@che.udel.edu 
   Deconstruct your Gender        Safe sex doesn't mean no sex.          
If you can't be good,             It just means use your imagination. 
be good at it.  T.B.   ASSIMILATION = ANNIHILATION     Billy Bragg 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eowyn@brahms.udel.edu (Zoe Antonia Velonis)
Subject: Re: Nick's back
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:27:13 GMT

In article <nsn.727535806@munagin> nsn@mullian.ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>bhat@mullauna.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Timothy Alan Heath BELL) writes:
>>nsn@ee.mu.OZ.AU (Nick Nicholas) writes:
>
>>>... I'll have a go at being a het who sleeps with men :) ...
>>You'll have to start sleeping with men then :) (Or is there something you
>>haven't told me?)
>
>Not as of this very moment (he says, typing in his underpants).

Hate to break it to you, Nick, but typing usually belongs on the screen, not 
in your underpants...But, hey, some of us are omnisexual...

>(I *know* the obvious joke that leads to, and forbear from posting it,
>Laurie8! :)

Did I make the obvious joke?  I thought mine was a creative interpretation...
I'll have to see what Laurie8 came up with (another hairy back story, no doubt)

>Oh, I can do impressions! This is my impression of Nick:
>
>*yell* *yell* *clown* *mope* *nobodylovesme* *clown* *sing* *mope* *hug*
>*breeder"friends"hangingshitonqueers* *yellsavagelyatparents* *yearn* *yell*
>*singmelancholygreeksongsfromsixties* *downpintsinhoursflat* *clown* *sob*
>*disfunctionalgaydar* *ringfriendsupandchatter* *linger*

I'm impressed...

>Perhaps the notorious sunday-morninger, Zo"e?
>
>*floodingromance* *pomp'n'intellect* *ardour* *unrequitedness* *cafe's*
>*toriism* *didsomeonesay"threesome"?* *ardour* *fresheyesonworld* *love*

*blink* *blink* *flutter eyelashes*
who, me?
you forgot...*redheads*  I *like* redheads....
and *apttoquoteanykindofobscurepoetryuntilababewalksby*
<-|

>Nick.

Zoe" (put it on the "e", dear, not the "o".  Like Greek.  See, now we're
even...I've misaccented your name and you've misaccented mine...*grin*)
(on second thought, maybe we're just odd...)
From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Scorpii)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Tori Amos.. Hrm..
Date: 23 Jan 93 19:01:09 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

In <C1ABx9.2uJ@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca> nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca (Nigel M Burnett) writes:

>Jonah Emanuel Safar (safarj@aix.rpi.edu) wrote:
>: So... how many people would be interested in visiting RPI for this? ;)

>Sure, as long as it's > Aug 1 and not the weekend of Aug 14.

>N.

>-- 
>Nigel Burnett   416-690-1834	|"Internet is so big, so powerful and so
>78 Normandy Blvd., Toronto      | pointless that for some people it is
>Ontario, Canada, M4L 3K3       	| a complete substitute for life."
>nigel@kathunk.phaedrav.on.ca	| -- Andrew Brown, The Independent

Hold up!  Tori in the subject line, RPI...is she playing there?  What's up
with this?

Drewcifer
-- 
***************************************************************************
** Andrew David Simchik, registered Scorpio ************* SCHNOPIA! *******
***************************************************************************
as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Poem:  Out to the World is Easier
From: moh2@quads.uchicago.edu (Kateri/Mary Anne)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 17:17:14 GMT
Reply-To: moh2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago

Out to the World is Easier

Shouting at the rally
somewhere in the middle I wanted to say
"We're here, we're queer,
actually, I'm not, I'm just an average
normal
heterosexual being civic-minded and helping out
my fellow humans
get used to it!"
as I huddled in March cold in the midst
of about fifty screaming people
wondering if anyone would recognize me.

Walking into the bisexual meeting
20 appraising eyes focused
ranking attributes
some speculating
on the possibility of getting laid.
But I wasn't really there, you see,
I'd just come along to show political support
a token straight.
(ignore the flush of heat at the calm gaze of
the woman in green with honey-gold hair swaying softly)

Lying in her arms I protested
soundlessly
I'm normal, really.
This is just normal experimenting
right?

I can't really be
queer...

But what will I say tomorrow night?

*****

M.A. Mohanraj
-- 
We may affirm absolutely that nothing great in the world has ever been
accomplished without passion.

					 - George Hegel
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bryant@icd.teradyne.com (Wayne Bryant)
Subject: Re: Gender and Bi Groups
Reply-To: bryant@icd.teradyne.com
Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 22:45:44 GMT

In article GKs@unix.portal.com, drakon@shell.portal.com (Harry Benjamin Gibson) writes:
>All this talk about more than 2 genders makes my head hurt. Life was so much
>simpler when I was straight, but more boring also.
>
>Please clue this clueless one, what are the other 2 genders?


There are actually many other genders, assuming that you consider each chromosomal
combination a different gender.  Richard Kennaway lists them as follows:

  X0 (Turner's syndrome)
  X0/X
  X0/XXX
  XXX
  XXX/XX
  XXXX
  XXXXX
  XXY (Klinefelter's syndrome)
  XXXY (variant of Klinefelter's)
  XXXXY
  XXY/XX
  XXY/XY
  XXYY
  XYY
  and of course XX and XY.  00 -- no sex chromosomes at all -- has also
  been observed, but only as a component of a mosaic.

Are hermaphrodites automatically bisexual?

					Wayne



Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: joines@bach.udel.edu (Daniel L Joines)
Subject: Yet another muffin from Delaware (was: Re: howdy)
Organization: University of Delaware
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:28:56 GMT

In article <1k7u48INN9d8@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> rowe@engin.umich.edu (Steven Rowe) writes:
>In article <C1JnFz.8JC@news.udel.edu> forsh@ravel.udel.edu (Tara Louise Forshey) writes:
>>Howdy all, I just wanted to say hello and let you all know that I think
>>you folks are some of the sweetest people I've read. 
>>

>Hugs to you, as well.  Oh, and grab Jim for me and give *him* a hug,
>too.  How many of you luscious queers are out in Delaware, anyhow?  I
>might have to go out there for a visit if you folks keep coming out
>of the woodwork like this...
>

You hered it here first folkes, yes there is yet another student at 
the University of Delaware that reads this groop.
(I'm even on the same floor as Jim and Steve)  I am rather bussy with
my classes and am trying to find a job so I don't have a chance to read
very often.  

I second Tara's oppinion, this place is wonderfull.  I would love
to chat more but I have a program due tommorrw and this 
study break is getting a bit long.

		*hug*Hug*HUG*
-dan-

-- 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
	Daniel Joines 		       +++++        Computer Science Student
 e-mail: joines@brahms.udel.edu		+++         Systems Analist Wana-Be
  					 + 	    And, you know.....Funny
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:16:11 EST
From: Psycho!! <HOLTONS@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Ethics...

>> Is it ethical to one day just stop talking to a friend (permanently),
>and to
>> NEVER even try to explain why?
>>
>
>Ethical or not, it doesn't seem particularly polite.  And this person is a
>friend?

   This is new behaviour to some?  This seems to happen all the time here...
I love it.  I particularily love stiring the pot even more when it happens
(mainly because I have trouble calling such a person a friend).  }:)

   I like watching just how far this petty revenge goes... it can go to some
real extremes... including manufacturing of fake evidence and false witness
to events that never happen to justify assorted claims of evil and bad
conduct.

    I wont even discuss the issue of being polite...



*********************************************************************
* Steve Holton             *                                        *
* HOLTONS@QUCDN.QueensU.CA *                                        *
*                          *  Bend, fondle and manipulate.          *
* Queens University        *                                        *
* Canada, eh?              *                                        *
*********************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch)
Subject: Re: Survey: Four screens!!
Organization: Advanced Decision Systems; a div of Booz, Allen & Hamilton
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:26:31 GMT

Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) wrote: 
->I see "surveys" every month or two in several news groups I read
->which vary from reasonably civil to totally clueless. A bit of
->explaination is a good way to establish one's intentions in
->the minds of the reader.

ding!

--
# henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc.  / <henry@ads.com>
# "fight the real enemy."  -- sinead o'connor, and many others.
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: what is sex (was Re: Daoism, Pooh, and Bisexuals)
Date: 21 Jan 93 13:48:36 GMT
Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)
Organization: Edinburgh University

Quoting SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Graydon) in article <93019.234917SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>:
>
>I picked 'behaviour intended to cause an orgasm' because the standard
>'intercourse' definition just doesn't seem broad enough - there have
>been times when it was *definately* sex, and intercourse wasn't even
>mentioned.  Anyone else with a definition that gets everybody?
>

Not really.  I've tried sometimes when I've been trying to draw a
Langford Graph of people I know, but that's too tricky.  Supposing you
tie someone up and beat them and then don't even let them bring
themselves off, is that sex?

Kay could probably answer this better than me, I know.
  __                                  _____
\/ o\ Paul Crowley   pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ //
/\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/