From: cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI)
Subject: Re: NHL SCORING LEADERS THRU 12/13/92
Keywords: NHL SCORING LEADERS THRU 12/13/92
Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 02:49:24 GMT

In article <schuck.724469328@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>cs902159@ariel.yorku.ca (DAVID A LISOGURSKI) writes:
>
>>In article <schuck.724446644@sfu.ca> Bruce_Schuck@sfu.ca writes:
>>>tracyj@hall103.its.rpi.edu (Jeffrey Allan Tracy) writes:
>>>
>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- Award
>>>>SCORING               TEAM    GAMES  GOALS  ASSISTS  POINTS  +/-  PIM Predict.
>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>Mario Lemieux         Pitt     31     33      49       82     25   20 Hart, Art
>>>>Pat LaFontaine        Buff     31     22      33       55      2   33
>>>>Jari Kurri            L.A.     31     17      34       51     22   12
>
>
>>[other scorers left out for brevity's sake]
>
>
>>>
>>>You meant NHL Points Leaders right?
>>>
>>>You left out a bunch of the top scorers and left in a bunch of great passers.
>>>
>
>
>>You can SCORE a goal, or you can SCORE a point.
>
>I can't resist this:
>
>How do they decide the winner of a game? 
>Do they add up the goals or do they add up the points?

If you want to argue that goals are more important than assists, then
you have a point (pun :-).  But that's not what I'm arguing, so what you
just said means absolutely nothing.

>
>>A high-scorer does *not* have to be a top goal-getter.
>
>You *score* goals and are awarded assists.
>
>>Check the papers;  they say 'scoring leaders', not "goal plus assist leaders"
>
>I know they are wrong too. :)

So are you :-)

>
>>Usually *I* get picky about such things, but even I wouldn't have
>>pointed this one out.
>
>I was only being picky because way *too* much attention is given to
>assists and nowhere *enough* attention is given to goals.
>
>A goal is worth more than an assist because goals win games, not
>assists.

But a goal would usually not happen if there were no assists.
Granted, they are more important, but can't you be content with the
fact that praise is given to "50-goal scorers" and not "70-assist awarders" ?

>
>PS This pickiness has *nothing* to do with Bure not making the list. :)

No complaints about Bure.  He's awesome/.  I just hope his brother is 
almost as good (he belongs to Montreal).

Here is the quote from "the Hockey Encyclopedia":

    The Art Ross trophy is awarded to the player who leads the league
    in scoring at the end of the regular season.  If a tie results, the
    trophy is given to the player with the most goals.

I rest my case.
Have you ever seen a player win the Art Ross who had the most goals
and *not* the most points?  Didn't think so.

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