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From: Sean_Church@pages.com (Sean Church)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: NetBlazer setup with network
Date: 17 Nov 92 04:47:48 GMT
Organization: Banzai Research Institute

Hi all !
Does anyone have real world-experience on the great joy of setting up a SLIP  
connection between a NetBlazer on a local network, with a demand fed SLIP  
connection to a remote site through the PTN (The phone dudes...) to another  
NeXTStation.

I am about to go through the process, and so far IP routing, SLIP, routers,  
gateways, etc has been the domain of the techno-preists. Implementing our first  
SLIP connection was a voyage of mystery (it should have worked ... why can't it  
see the remote host ?). I figure someone out there has been there, and done  
this.
If anyone is interested , I'll post something on how to configure the NetBlazer  
so it's happy with a remote demand fed SLIP interface to .... Marble  
Teleconnect.

I'm asking while in the process of leaping. In the next few days, I will get it  
up and flying. It's just a matter of configuration now...

;-)

What they really need to do is have someone write a NeXTStep based  
Configuration manager for the NetBlazer. It is O.K. to hack with, but ...  
pipeing and streaming and screaming commands in the background would be oh so  
much nicer.


Thanks!
Sean
sean@pages.com
"Is NS 3.0 Gold sendmail eating the body of your e-mail ? Or is it just me ?"
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin,comp.sys.next.programmer
From: szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo)
Subject: Q: Util to find size of all our user's Mail?
Summary: looking for this type of program/util
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 18:10:01 GMT


Does anyone have a program or script that'll figure out the size of
/all/ of our users received mail and incoming (spooled) mail?

I've never heard of anything like this, but we'd like to see who's
hogging all the disk space.

Thanks!

 Shane Zatezalo

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From: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Subject: Re: WindowServer PSUnixSignalKill
Reply-To: nevin@dtint.dtint.com
Organization: Digital Technology, International
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 06:41:52 GMT

In article <SOWA.92Nov17144759@amdew.llnl.gov> sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C.  
Sowa) writes:
> 
> My console frequently sees the following error message:
> 
> WindowServer[761]: PSUnixSignal: kill: No such process.
> 
> where 761 happens to be WindowServer's pid. Lots of these messages. What
> is it trying to kill, and why won't it give up? :-)
> 
> I am running NS 3.0 on a vintage mono slab.
> --
> erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)

Yea, me too!
What's going on?  Anybody know?

--
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From: sowa@amdew.llnl.gov (Erik C. Sowa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: WindowServer PSUnixSignalKill
Date: 17 Nov 92 21:47:59 GMT
Organization: LLNL Chemistry and Materials Science


My console frequently sees the following error message:

WindowServer[761]: PSUnixSignal: kill: No such process.

where 761 happens to be WindowServer's pid. Lots of these messages. What
is it trying to kill, and why won't it give up? :-)

I am running NS 3.0 on a vintage mono slab.
--
erik sowa (sowa@amdew.llnl.gov)
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: working fingerd on NeXT Cube
Date: 20 Nov 1992 23:29:56 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: thanatos.egr.uh.edu

In article <HROSE.92Nov20174155@rocza.eff.org> hrose@eff.org (Helen  
Trillian Rose) writes:
#I've got a NeXT '040 Cube running 2.1 and trying to get the Budne
#fingerd working on it (or *anything* that will return a proper response
#when fingered user@host).
#
#Current output is:
#
# % finger @morrolan
#[morrolan.eff.org]
#Trying 192.88.144.30...
#Login       Name              TTY Idle    When            Office
#ckd      Christopher Davis     p0 1:05 Fri 13:02 
#hrose    Helen Trillian Rose   p1    1 Fri 16:15
#
#% finger hrose@morrolan
#[morrolan.eff.org]
#Trying 192.88.144.30...
#Login       Name              TTY Idle    When            Office
#ckd      Christopher Davis     p0 1:05 Fri 13:02 
#hrose    Helen Trillian Rose   p1    1 Fri 16:15 
#
#No difference in outputs, even though there is a difference in what I
#sent. 

You might try the fingerd on sonata.cc.purdue.edu in the submissions  
directory (I think it is there).

#
#Anyone have any suggestions?

Upgrade to 3.0?  It seems that the fingerd has been fixed in this release:

thanatos> finger @thanatos
[thanatos]
Login       Name              TTY Idle    When            Office
sears    Paul S. Sears         co   9d Fri 10:51 
sears    Paul S. Sears         p1 1:50 Fri 10:52 
sears    Paul S. Sears         p2      Fri 11:40 
sears    Paul S. Sears         p3      Fri 11:51 
thanatos> finger sears@thanatos
[thanatos]
Login name: sears                       In real life: Paul S. Sears
Directory: /Net/flower/Users2/sears     Shell: /bin/csh
On since Nov 20 10:51:11 on console     9 days 0 hours Idle Time
No Plan.

Login name: sears                       In real life: Paul S. Sears
Directory: /Net/flower/Users2/sears     Shell: /bin/csh
On since Nov 20 10:52:04 on ttyp1       1 hour 50 minutes Idle Time
No Plan.

Login name: sears                       In real life: Paul S. Sears
Directory: /Net/flower/Users2/sears     Shell: /bin/csh
On since Nov 20 11:40:28 on ttyp2       26 seconds Idle Time
No Plan.

Login name: sears                       In real life: Paul S. Sears
Directory: /Net/flower/Users2/sears     Shell: /bin/csh
On since Nov 20 11:51:28 on ttyp3   
No Plan.

#
#Thanks,
#
#--Helen
#--
#Helen Trillian Rose             	<hrose@eff.org, hrose@kei.com>

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: andrew@cubetech.com
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: cpu usage of unused but enabled serial port
Organization: Cube Technologies, Inc.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:16:28 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.110002.17869@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org> hwr@pilhuhn.ka.sub.org (Heiko W.Rupp) writes:
>It is not a problem! That's the way a device driver works. If NeXT had
>used serial chips with 16 byte fifo for each serial port (and enabled
>this 16 bytes fifo), interrupt load would have decreased.

NeXT uses one of the Zilog serial controllers, which is a good serial
controller, but I think it's a combination of the device-driver and
the apparent lack of DMA (or use of it) in moving bits around.


andrew
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: jypai@ccnext.csie.nctu.edu.tw
Subject: Re: Need help implementing diskquota
Reply-To: jypai@ccnext.csie.nctu.edu.tw
Organization: Computer Science & Information Engin., Chiao-Tung U, Taiwan, ROC
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:19:14 GMT

In article <1992Nov12.180935.4682@menudo.uh.edu> shah@veda.crcc.uh.edu  
(Shahadat S. Hossain) writes:
> NeXT Gurus,
> 
>    As you all know NeXT does not support and does not have any plans to  
> implement and support diskquota.  We need to implement diskquota urgently.

How about using another kind of workstation as file server?
(If u have one)
--

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From: hrose@eff.org (Helen Trillian Rose)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: working fingerd on NeXT Cube
Date: 20 Nov 92 22:41:57 GMT
Organization: The Evil Fascist IRC Admins From Hell, Inc.

I've got a NeXT '040 Cube running 2.1 and trying to get the Budne
fingerd working on it (or *anything* that will return a proper response
when fingered user@host).

Current output is:

 % finger @morrolan
[morrolan.eff.org]
Trying 192.88.144.30...
Login       Name              TTY Idle    When            Office
ckd      Christopher Davis     p0 1:05 Fri 13:02 
hrose    Helen Trillian Rose   p1    1 Fri 16:15

% finger hrose@morrolan
[morrolan.eff.org]
Trying 192.88.144.30...
Login       Name              TTY Idle    When            Office
ckd      Christopher Davis     p0 1:05 Fri 13:02 
hrose    Helen Trillian Rose   p1    1 Fri 16:15 

No difference in outputs, even though there is a difference in what I
sent. 

Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,

--Helen
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton)
Subject: OD screwing up opticals
Reply-To: dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu (Daniel Shelton)
Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 21:54:34 GMT

Hello All,

	We recently purchased a used 030 cube with a defective optical disk drive, we knew about the drive.  With the computer, we go 
 
t some opticals that had apparently been messed up by the drive, here is what I have been able to piece together:

1)	the disks that were put into the system have had all their labels erased, and some sectors have been written incorrectly

2)	I think that the problem was in the ECC circuitry, this is a guess.

What I want to do is to be able to recoup the data from the damaged disks without any loss.  This is probably impossible if it was the ECC circuitry but does anybody have any idea I how I wo 
uld start the recovery procedure?

Note: I have looked in NeXTAnswers and have reviewed the disk command.  I have also tried fsck -b ????? /dev/rod0a but that does not work either.

Thanks for any help,

Dan (dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu)ectly

2)	I think that the problem was in the ECC circuitry, this is a guess.

What I want to do is to be able to recoup the data from the damaged disks without any loss.  This is probably impossible if it was the ECC circuitry but does anybody have any idea I how I wo
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: uli@kino.intellektik.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Ulrich Grepel)
Subject: SUMMARY: cpu usage of unused but enabled serial port
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 14:26:13 GMT
Organization: TH Darmstadt

Hi all,

this is a summary of the hints I've got for my problem with my unused but
enabled serial ports eating up my CPU:

1. Many others have the same problem.
2. It seems to be the case that the ports generate interrupts.
3. You can decrease CPU usage in several ways:
   a) don't enable the ports
   b) plug something into the ports that quiet them down (e.g. modem turned on,
      a terminal plugged in, logged in and then turned off)
   c) use the dsp together with additional hardware to get a high speed
      serial port that doesn't use up your CPU
4. The whole thing seems to be irrelevant of the OS version. I have 3.0, but
   it was that bad much earlier. That's easy to understand since it is a
   hardware problem.
5. If you think your '40 NeXT is standing still, a '30 one is running
   backwards.
6. A port that is configured to a higher baud rate is eating more CPU.
7. 19200 baud need approx. 30-40 percent of the CPU if it can get that much
8. A second port needs additional 30-40 percent.
9. A port configured to 1200 baud doesn't need any CPU, ps xu only shows 240K
   of RSIZE.
10.Modifying /etc/ttys and 'kill -HUP 1' takes effect immediately in both
   directions.
11.Ports without hardware flow control eat up the same amount of CPU.

Thanks to all who responded, even if there's no real solution,

Uli

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld)
Subject: Need advice in setting up special accounts
Organization: Cleveland State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 20:59:09 GMT


Hello:

I am trying to set up a few accounts on my neXT, but I have been
experiencing some newbie like problems, which I hope some kind-souled
person will help me with.

1. I want to set up an account that runs only one program, then logs the
user out of the NeXT upon exiting the program.  I would like to make it
impossible to <control><z> the process.  I do not want to allow this user to
be able to suspend or stop the process, relegate it to the background,
etc.

2. I tried setting up a gopher-client only account for telnet users or
dial in users.  I set up my services thusly:

gclient         4200/tcp

I then set up my inetd.conf like this:

gclient stream  tcp     nowait  nobody  /usr/local/bin/gopher   gopher

When I try to telnet to this port this is what happens:

Connected to trans.csuohio.edu.
Escape character is '^]'.
I don't understand your terminal type
Connection closed by foreign host.

Anyone know what is going on here?  Can you shed some light on this
matter?  I would like to provide a friendly user-environment without
running security risks everytime somebody logs on.

thanks for the advice ....  I appreciate it!

Joe

cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: lemson@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (David Lemson)
Subject: Re: Advantage of SLIP?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:58:44 GMT

carsten@pizza.fb10.tu-berlin.de (Carsten Schultz) writes:

>Robert Delucca writes
>> This is a naive question perhaps. I want someone's opinion concerning
>> the utility or advantage of installing the SLIP package available
>> at the archives. I know  of course how useful it is to be on 
>> the net, but what I need is a speed comparison and conveniency
>> comparison between SLIP with a V.32 modem and my present setup, 
>> where I use UUCP for mail and dial out with MicroPhone to access
>> my account on the university's network, ftp to sites, obtain files, 
>> 

>It is worth the money: SLIP is free!
>The trouble should not be too big, as there have been hints on the net.
>What I like is to be able to use NewsGrazer, rsh, rcp, ftp (and several of  
>them at the same time). You might also be able to use -NXHost (although it  

Another consideration is whether or not SLIP is available at your
site.  Can you get it as easily as you can UUCP? (At UIUC, most
people can not get UUCP access unless they have a really good
reason, while any university-connected person can get a SLIP account
through our terminal servers)
Aside from that, I think that having SLIP is a terrific way to have
your NeXT connected -- no worries about dialing in, and best of all,
mail, news, etc. works how NeXT planned them to work - as though you
were connected via ethernet to the 'real internet'.  Of course, if
your UUCP connection works just fine now, and you don't mind having
to transfer files with zmodem or whatever in Microphone you do now,
then "if it ain't broke, don't fix it'.  You will notice a small
file transfer throughput drop with ftp and SLIP vs. zmodem (unless
you can get CSLIP at your site, which I cannot get here so I cannot
comment on that speed).  It's usually worth it, though, to be able
to have 4 internet connections going on at once with a decent speed.
(Also, you absolutely 'need' a v.32 or higher modem, and
v.32bis/v.42bis is a really nice thing to have for SLIP).
-- 
David Lemson                                                (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                  BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: eps@futon.SFSU.EDU (Eric P. Scott)
Subject: Re: UUCP vs SLIP, info wanted
Reply-To: eps@cs.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:07:09 GMT

I don't necessarily see this as an "either-or" proposition.  If I
were in your position, I'd be using Telebit WorldBlazers, and
there'd be a clear advantage in having both.  For those cases
where either would suffice (e-mail, batch file transfer), I'd
prefer UUCP/TurboPEP's reliability and efficiency.  For
interactive use, SLIP would be the obvious choice.

You have two particular handicaps that make SLIP impractical: a 
2400 bps modem, and restricted dialout.  There's no reason why
you can't or shouldn't run UUCP.  It may be worth buying a
better/faster modem even with imminent ISDN availability; it
takes a long time to transfer anything at 219 cps.

					-=EPS=-
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: droux@hei.unige.ch
Subject: Strange Mail Problem
Organization: University of Geneva, Switzerland
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 12:00:46 GMT


I am using a NeXT at work connected on our LAN. All works fine apart the
mail system. The NeXT I use (inext) can send mail anywhere without any problem.
I cannot however receive any mail from the outside. What is very strange is
if I am the user don, I cannot send me a message using the address don@inext
from the NeXT (very strange isn't it ?).

Suppose I am the user don on inext.isbiel.ch and I send a message to don@inext 
(to my account). Here is few lines of the /usr/spool/mqueue/syslog

sendmail[285]: AA00285: from=don, size=104, class=0
sendmail[289]: AA00285: to=don@inext, delay=00:00:02, stat=Sent
sendmail[290]: AA00290: message-id=<9211101650.AA00285@ inext.isbiel.ch. >
sendmail[290]: AA00290: from=<don@inext>, size=505, class=0
sendmail[292]: AA00290: to=<don@inext>, delay=00:00:02, stat=Sent
sendmail[294]: AA00294: message-id=<9211101650.AA00285@ inext.isbiel.ch. >
sendmail[294]: AA00294: from=<don@inext.isbiel.ch>, size=776, class=0
.......
sendmail[309]: AA00309: from=<don@inext.isbiel.ch>, size=2131, class=0
sendmail[311]: AA00309: to=<don@inext>, delay=00:00:01, stat=Sent
sendmail[312]: AA00312: message-id=<9211101650.AA00285@ inext.isbiel.ch. >
sendmail[312]: AA00312: from=<don@inext.isbiel.ch>, size=2402, class=0
sendmail[312]: AA00312: SYSERR: sendall: too many hops (17 max): Bad file 
number

It's like a ping-pong game and I can't get the message. 
Do you have any idea, or suggestion ? It is like the NeXT receives the message 
but doesn't see that it is addressed to one of its users (an error of 
routing ?). Note that I don't use any mail server (the problem is the same), 
and I am not the client of a NetInfo server.

Regards,
Nicolas Droux.
droux@cs.isbiel.ch

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: where is installman?
Organization: Cleveland State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 22:16:48 GMT

Well, NeXTStep 3.0 looks for its manuals in the /usr/man/manx
directories.  Include this statement into your .login file to
get around this:

set MANPATH /usr/man


This works everytime.  You can separate this entry with colons (:) to add
multiple paths.

Joe
From: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu (Paul S. Sears)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Next 2.{1,2}: any user logging in becomes root?!  [netinfo?]
Date: 16 Nov 1992 14:19:01 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: sears@tree.egr.uh.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: thanatos.egr.uh.edu

In article <16986@umd5.umd.edu> matthews@oberon.umd.edu (Mike Matthews)  
writes:
=>In article <1992Nov13.000853.28574@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca>  
sherwood@space.ualberta.ca (Operator) writes:
=>>	I suspect that this machine is not mounting the user's file system
=>
=>That was what I thought too, and is usually the case.  Then the same thing
=>happened to me.  The user who logs in, even with their own userid/password,
=>is root as far as 'whoami' is concerned.
=>
=>The problem is with lookupd; when it gets hosed Really Bad Things like this
=>start to happen.
=>

So I guess that I am not the only one who is having severe problems with  
lookupd.  After much investigation, it seems that if you have netgroups set up  
incorrectly (if you are using them) in netinfo, lookupd can get hosed rather  
easily.  What complicated our problem was that we had two servers serving our  
cluster...

=>>=> Sherwood Botsford                   sherwood@space.ualberta.ca <= 


=>Mike Matthews, matthews@oberon.umd.edu (NeXTmail accepted)
=>------

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 11:17:34 -0500 
From: Charles William Swiger <cs4w+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: NeXT's binaries need a diet
	<1992Nov18.232947.7867@fnbc.com>

Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.next.advocacy: 18-Nov-92 Re: NeXT's
binaries need a .. Bill Burcham@nasty (4404)

>30% huh.  Well, have you _ever_ seen a NeXT app that takes up more than  
>one or two floppies?!?  I am really tired of people whining about how  
>overweight all our deliverables will be on the danged newfangled  
>object-oriented systems.

How about Lotus Improv?

>WRT archives (Typed Streams):  YES they are portable.  YES nibs are  
>portable between different-endian machines.  The only thing that is not  
>portable is that (30%) object code.
>
>Now if we want to have a constructive discussion we could talk about  
>things like:
>
>1) Why isn't NeXT talking about shipping a cross-compiler so that I don't  
>have to have one of each of the target systems running NeXTSTEP in order  
>to create my fat binaries.

NeXT does.  Gcc does just fine as a cross compiler.

>2) Why doesn't someone work out a way to ship an intermediate rep. or the  
>executable image so we don't have to have fat binaries.  Once (1) is  
>accomplished, we could pretty much have this one solved:  just put a  
>switch on the Objective-C++ compiler to have it output it's intermediate  
>rep. of the code for each source (make up a new suffix).  Now we could  
>have a bootstrap loader for each target that would essentially finish the  
>compile on the target machine and then do the link.  Am I nuts or what?  I  
>believe the reason NeXT isn't doing this is because they want us to be  
>able to have fileservers shared betw. different-endian systems any of  
>which may run the (fat)binaries thereupon.  I guess it is a bad idea for  
>now.

Try reading the man pages for the compiler.  The -d<letter> switch in
gcc dumps out the AST for the code at various points; it would be very
easy to hack gcc so that it could read back this dumped AST and finish
doing the compilation for a specific machine.

But, there are problems with this.  One, your "bootstrap loader" would
be very inefficient compared to a FatBinary loader.  Second, the dumped
AST is close enough to the source code that you can regenerate the
source (possibly less local variable names and static procedures).  This
is unacceptable to commercial companies.

-Chuck
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