From: mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod)
Subject: Re: Shams Hasan, stop the blasphemy
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 17:50:40 GMT

In article <1hfn6kINNkn3@crcnis1.unl.edu> fall217@cse.unl.edu () writes:
>mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
>>>
>>>Or hinduism by the actions of Jay pal or indra gandhi.  I really dont know the names of BJP b.......d leaders
>>>
>>>Or jewdaism by the actions of Isreali goverment.
>>>
>>>I am sure you have got the point that you may have problem with baber (you may not know his side of story) but to make a point from his actions shows that you really had no point. 
>>>Did ever muslims said that they want to stablish a goverment as Baber did?
>>>
>>>Pleas dont take any thing personal. if you have any thing against me or some body write him personally dont bore other people.
>>>thank you
>
>----- you said ----
>>If you don't define those kings as Muslims, then don't get upset and resort
>>to name calling.  Indra Gandhi did not do anything in the name of Hinduism,
>++++++ 	this is the whole point that did Baber did any thing like killing in the name of islam.  
> 	Actually you missed his attack on Golden temple and killing of bhandrawalla and others was it not wrong?
>
>Cr
>=---Satwinder is responding to the Irani/Pathan's posting in which he claimed
>-that Islam is a tolerant religion and spread through the subcontinent
>-through brotherly love as a favor against Hindu nazism.  Satwinder has
>-shown some excellent examples from history which contradict this claim.
>-Many have said that these Kings were not true Muslims, but everything
>-they did they did in the name of Islam.  I don't know what govt Babar had,
>-I assume he had an Islamic govt(I know Aurangzeb had an Islamic govt),
>-so do muslims want to establish a govt like Babar?  The anwser is yes,
>-and the country is Pakistan.  
> I am sorry your knowledge is "too  much " to siscuss this topic.  
>in South east assia more than 140million muslims lives ( Indonessia , malassia, vetnam, thailand , combodia, burma, and singapor") WAs there any war or any army came to conqour that part? NO
>Dont tell any pathan that their forefathers accepted Islam because they were threatentend.  on and on...
>   How much is the difference in the two kings.  Baber wrote in his Auto biography that he used to drink but when he tried to defeat Ibrahim Lodhi and he could not then he preyed to God that he will leave drinking and then he never drunk.  If you think t
hese are the best ideals of islam that is sufficient proof of your being non-muslim.  Belive me ignorance is not an excuse.  YOUR ignorance has created hate and that hate has taken you away from a reasonable stand. 
>	If baber was not persecuting a rebul then you should define why Indra murdered bhandrawalla in his holiest place and destroying the respect of the temple.
>	
> manjo I hope that you will think again if what ever is true for your stand as well or if being a muslim we want a better goverment then baber or even orangzabe, then will you realize your ignorence fact that you are misguided by the fabricated journalis
ations?
>


I am sorry I have not understood anything you have tried to say.



Manoj