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From: jong-min@ie.engr.wisc.edu (Jong-Min Park)
Subject: Re: Korean Fonts on Macintosh
Organization: /usr/local/lib/organization
Date: 11 Nov 92 10:09:16 CST

In article <cho-101192071917@260-3r-mac5a.wdl.loral.com> cho@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Il Hyung Cho) writes:
>In article <yDDyTB1w165w@netlink.cts.com>, wgentry@netlink.cts.com (William
>Gentry) wrote:
>> 
>> mbsulliv@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL BRETT SULLIVAN) writes:
>> 
>> > 
>> > 	Hello.  Can anyone tell me how to get Korean fonts on the Macintosh?
>> > Thank you.
>> > 
>> > 
>> >                               - - -  Mikey  - - -
>> > 
>> >                              mbsulliv@eos.ncsu.edu
>> 
>>  can find some very nice Hangul fonts through Elex Computer in Seoul. 
>> Their address is 27-2 Yoido-dong Youngdeungpo-ku, Seoul. Telephone is 
>> 780-4545, FAX is 785-4838. I found twenty beautiful TrueType faces for 
>> W30,000 last time I was in Seoul. It is the best bargain you can find for 
>> Hangul fonts.
>> 

You need HangulTalk 7.x to use these fonts. Last time I checked, HangulTalk
was sold at W1,200,000.

>
>You also can also purchase them from MacConnection for about $80.
>I believe they're Postscript type 3 fonts.  They are somewhat limited
>since some third party company in Washington created them. 
>...

Also check Ecological Linguistics (see ad on last pages of MacUser). ~$100.

Both of these fonts work on US Systems, but the code is not compatible with
HangulTalk, and they are a little hard to type (you need all kinds of
key combinations, option, Alt-option, etc.).

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: moon@acca.nmsu.edu ('short attention span theater')
Subject: KSEA contacts in the U.S.A. ?
Organization: Alternative Collegiate Computing Association
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 19:47:51 GMT


Hi, season's greetings from scenic University of Pittsburgh
in lush Pittsburgh Pennsylvania, USA.

I would like to get into the KSEA. Is there an office/contact
something I can telephone/e-mail/snail-mail 
near Pittsburgh ( West PA ) ?

- jon
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From: dskim@eng.umd.edu (Daeshik Kim)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: President Park Jung Hee
Date: 8 Nov 92 16:57:39 GMT
Article-I.D.: eng.1992Nov08.165739.24962
Organization: What Org?

>Second, as someone indicated, he had a dishonorable past before he
>became a president. He graduated from Japanese military academy
>and served as a japanese officer in KwanDong province. After
>independence, somehow he sneaked into Korean military academy
>to avoid a trial for treason (how could this happen???).

	First of all, why was that dishonorable?
	How about those who were in Chinese Army?
	What about those inb U.S. military?
	Are they cat's paw of U.S?

	I don't think so.

	When life is not too much of worth, anything can happen.

	Even though no one would argue with the fact that he did harm
	to Korea, his career in Japanese Military was not the one
	that killed Korean Democracy; and those puplic eyes in Korea
	haven't seem to allow for true traitors to pay back.

	Ah, in addition, some argue that he built Korean Economy; however,
	no one would know or prove if we would been better or worse w/o him.
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From: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: sea of korea etc
Date: 9 Nov 92 09:53:08 GMT
Reply-To: yjhbhc@dante.lbl.gov (Joe Huang)
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.106

In article <1992Nov8.230724.29826@news.duc.auburn.edu> slee@eng.auburn.edu writes:
>Have heard about Takesima? 
>It is the the name of island we call "Dok-Do" ...
>What about Mt. Baek-doo?
>I heard that half of it already was given to China by North regime.
>I'm not sure it is true or not. but if it is not true how can it be heard?
>What about "Gan-do", it was given to China by Japan.

I've heard of Dok-do and Baek-doo-san, but what and where is Gan-do?
Just curious.

Joe Huang
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Several Questions..
From: lkim@swri.edu (Louis Kim)
Date: 6 Nov 92 16:25:11 CST
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

In article <1992Nov6.094118.11636@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jderagon@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Deragon) writes:
>Subject: Several Questions..
>From: jderagon@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Deragon)
>Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 09:41:18 GMT
>
>
>    An-nyeong-ha-se-yo
>
>    I have just met this fabulous girl who happens to be Korean/American
>and I have decided to make an attempt to learn Korean in order to speak
>to her.
>
>    I went to several bookstores to look for books on learning the
>Korean language, and have only found the basic tourist guide type books
>that has phrases that I would never apply in my conversations with her.
>
>    Things like...
>
>    che-so-ro chom ka chu-se-yo (Take me to this address [taxi])
>
>    Kwan-gwang-ha-reo wa-sseo-yo (I am here as a tourist)
>
>    I picked up one book, just to try to learn pronuciation, and
>    some basic phrases like hello, goodbye, how are you and such,
>    but thats about all this book is good for.
>
>
>    Does anyone know any good books or tapes to learn Korean from?
>
>    Also, if anyone could send me some phrases in Korean in the meantime
>    so I can talk to her I would *greatly* appreciate it.  Phrases such
>    as "I missed talking to you", "I can't wait till I see you", you
>    know, typical girl-guy chatter.
>
>    Any and all help would be kindly accepted!
>
>    Cheong-mal kam-sa-ham-ni-da!
>
>
>        John Deragon
>
>----
>John Paul Deragon
>jderagon@nyx.cs.du.edu
>
>
>
>--
>
>
>
>-----

Barron's puts out multi-cassette and book Korean language course that'
s pretty comprehensive for a beginning course.  You're bookstore should be 
able to locate it.  Hope that helps.    
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: milburn@vision.postech.ac.kr (John Milburn)
Subject: Re: Why D.J. for President ?
Reply-To: milburn@vision.postech.ac.kr (John Milburn)
Organization: POSTECH, Pohang, Korea
Distribution: usa,world
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 03:43:12 GMT

In the referenced article kimjimin@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:

>In fact, it was the Japanese who brought the idea of tyranny and
>totalitarianism to our country.

Not that it is extremely relevant, but Korea, like most Asian
countries, had plenty of experience with both tyranny and
totalitarianism, both external and internal, before either
of the large Japanese invasions.

>Therefore, we all have to be very patient about our newfound democracy.
>It will take time. America and England had democracy for a very long
>time. Do you think that there democracy was just as good as it is
>today? I don't think so; it is like evolution

It seems to me that there is not the ideological, cultural, or
sociological base for development of democracy which existed in many
other now democratic countries.  The concept was essentially learned
from outside, rather than being developed internally. Thus, it will
take a long time and a lot of patience to develop true democracy, and
it will most probably have many unique forms.

Unfortunately IMHO, the current system seems to lend itself to the
ongoing agony of personality cults, with all the accompanying greed
and corruption, and lack of true public spirit.

As always, just speaking for myself....

-jem
From: shin-jungshik@yale.edu (Jungshik Shin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Re: Looking for anonymous FTP sites in Korea.
Date: 9 Nov 1992 21:35:24 -0500
Organization: Yale University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu

In article <1992Nov9.185812.25379@tolten.puc.cl> IIC2132@isluga.puc.cl (AyudantesIIC2132) writes:
>The FTP site in Korea :
>
>     kum.kaist.ac.kr      (via anonymous)
>
>There are many other sites of KAIST, e.g.,
>
>     sol.kaist.ac.kr
>     cosmos.kaist.ac.kr
>
>but it doesn't support anonymous entrance via FTP.
>
>-----
>
>Byung-Ho Bae
>Catholic University of Chile

  The FTP site with the largest collection of Hangul related programs is not
KUM.KAIST.AC.KR, but CAIR.KAIST.AC.KR.
>
>


Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: Lost in VADA hangul
Keywords: menu word_formation
Organization: DSIR, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 19:18:50 GMT

Annyong hashimnika
I am interested in learning the Korean language and find PC methods helpful. 
I have the VADA software but cannot read the menu words. The university 
student who is teaching me the spoken word does not understand computer 
jargon.
I have got other aspects of the program working, but have accidentally lost 
the capacity to make words from letters by combining 2-3 letters at one 
position. I was able to do this before I started meddling with the menus 
when trying to print (I can do that) -- by moving from letter-block to 
letter-block with arrow keys. I have discovered that trial-and-error on the 
many combinations is hopeless!
Could someone please help?  Komapsumnida. (The REPLY function is not useful 
for this site; e-mail address below)

PS I have found the correspondance on bringing up children while living in 
a different cultural environment very interesting, and totally universal.
--  

Brian Shaw   hrpbds@pnv.palm.cri.nz  Telefax +64 6 354 6731
The Horticulture & Food Research Institute of New Zealand
 "Herea te tangata ki te whenua" 'Bind the people to the land'
From: A.H.Al_ashaab@lut.ac.uk (AH Al_ashaab)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: address of Korea Institute of Science and Tech
Date: 13 Nov 92 01:31:36 GMT
Reply-To: A.H.Al_ashaab@lut.ac.uk (AH Al_ashaab)
Followup-To: A.H.Al_ashaab@lut.ac.uk , klaatu@sorak.kaist.ac.kr
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.

Hi every body,
I have been trying without any success, to get in touch with 
some people in the Korea Institute of Science and Tech. in Korea,
namely Dr.Y.J. Huh and Dr. S.G. Kim. I am interested in their
work and would like to get in touch with.

I am sending this message with a hope that some body can
help me in getting their Email or postal address of them.

I tried many times by sending an EMail messages
to people in Korea but I get no reply from them and
I do not know if my mail is getting through at all!!?

Thanks in advance for the help
Please reply by EMail as I am not usualy read this group.


Ahmed AL-ASHAAB
Manuf. Eng Dept., Loughborough Univ of Tech
Loughborough, Leics LE11 3TU, England.
EMail : A.H.Al_ashaab@lut.ac.uk  OR     ahmed@mansun.lut.ac.uk
Tel 0509-263171 Ext. 4247       Fax. 0509-267725
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: bkim@sorak.kaist.ac.kr (BacSeob Kim.(Hanlim Uni.))
Subject: Faculty Position, Hallym Univ
Organization: KAIST in Seoul Korea
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 09:08:47 GMT

            Faculty Position, Hallym University, Korea

The Hallym University, located in Chunchon, is accepting applications for 
faculty positions in two elgineering departments : Electronic Engineering
and Information Engineering.   Specialists in VLSI circuit design, Signal
Processing including the Communication Theory are encouraged to apply to 
the Electronic Engineering department.  Applicants to the department of
Information Engineering should have proven records of research in the
Computer Communications.  The competition is open to all, but preferences
will be given to anyone with enough experience to qualify him as an 
associate professor or higher.   Applications should be received by the
30th of November and applicants should refer to the ad in Miju Dong-A
on November 2 or 3 for details.  Further inquires should be directed to
"Kyo-Moo-Cheo (Div. of Academic Affairs)", Hallym University via
361-58-1012(voice), 361-55-4650(FAX).
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: gior@eecg.toronto.edu (GIOR Kevin Kyu-Sik)
Subject: Re: Recent News in Korea
Date: 12 Nov 92 18:13:08 GMT

Here are more details of a summary of news of 'Weekly Chosun' (Nov/12) Issue.

1. Ex-Prez Chun openning a new office in KwangHwaMoon
   Someone who is respecting (?) Chun came and suggested to provide a new
   office for Chun. Interior of the office is built with all made-in-Korea
   material. Chun & his wife are writing a book, but won't be published soon.
   Chun's right arm, Mr. Jang Sei-Dong (Ex-AnGi-BooJang) visits both Chun's
   house and MinJa-Party more frequently, so it brings many doubts that there
   is another Chun's political ambition.

2. Korean-Styled home appliaces are hit in Korea
   These appliances have all Korean labels, does what only Koreans look for,
   such as a washier that boils and steams clothes (the way older Korean women
   wash underwares & white-color based garments), Microwave oven does Korean-
   'Chi-Gei' (DDookBaeGi), and a vacuum machine with 'Gerllae' attached.
      There are two totally different consumer groups. One is welcoming such
   appliances mentioned above such as more products for Korean functionality,
   however, the other group totally ignore any Korean appliances, and they feel
   comfortable when all labels written in English. This group also strongly
   prefers to purchase imported electronics & appliances with ridiculous price.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: gior@eecg.toronto.edu (GIOR Kevin Kyu-Sik)
Subject: Recent News in Korea
Organization: University of Toronto
Date: 10 Nov 92 05:22:03 GMT

A summary of news taken from 'Weekly Chosun (Nov/12 Issue)

1. Ex-Prez Chun is opening a new office in KwangHwaMoon.
   - nothing fancy, no political reason, just a plain office
2. Difficulty in choosing a candidate in New-Korean Party (Shin-HanGukDang)
3. Home Appliances made in Korea for domestic market is a success
4. Universities in Korea having own local TV stations
5. Novel by Mr. Ma Kwang-Su, and its controversy

and more...
From: moon@acca.nmsu.edu ('short attention span theater')
Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: parents push their children ... to near death ?
Date: 6 Nov 92 17:16:48 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Alternative Collegiate Computing Association


Koreans ( first generation at least :P) have the reputation
of working hard and driving themselves.
And its not for them that they do this, but so their children
can have a better life.

But now all the hopes and dreams of the parents are riding on their
children and all of a sudden, anything short of outstanding is failure,no 
in between.

Now these second generation korean-americans are caught in the middle.
They want to have fun, go to parties, go on dates, doddle, 
make jokes in english, just like theother american kids.
But deep down  their parents have driven home the message that
unless they become doctors or lawyers or business leaders,
they have failed themselves and their parents.
And maybe doomed themselves to a hard,cruel life.
( sorry for the paraphrasing :)

Does anybody agree with the above ? Anybody strongly disagree?
Have there been any studies done on this ?

What's the suicide rate like compared to japanese, chinese, european or other
second generation children ?

-jon


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
Subject: Korean on the Macintosh
From: wgentry@netlink.cts.com (William Gentry)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:03:45 PST
Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA

With the US version of System 7.1 and the soon to be released WorldScript 
II extension and Korean cript file, you will be able to use Korean fonts 
on the Macintosh in an English environment (English menus). Nisus v.3.4.x 
works very nicely with the Korean fonts. The fonts from Ecological 
Linguistics and Linguist's Software are hacks to the English System 
Software (v.6.x/v.7.0.x). The true HangulTalk system is no longer 
available through Pacific Demand in San Francisco. Elex does charge a 
VERY high prthe HangulTalk/localized Nisus package. HangulTalk 
is available on the Developer CD Series of CD-ROM disks up to v.6.07. 
The latest disk it appeared on was the February 1992 disk. APDA has these 
for sale for $10 as a bundle to the corresponding back issue of develop 
magazine. If you don't mind working in a English operating environment 
and wish to word process in Korean I suggest you purchase System 7.1 and 
wait for the Korean language module (WorldScript II extension/Korean 
script file) to be released by Apple in the next couple of months 
(hopefully). With Nisus and some very nice (and inexpensive) TrueType 
fonts from Elex word processing in Korean is now easy and affordable.


Will

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean,soc.culture.japan
From: moon@acca.nmsu.edu ('short attention span theater')
Subject: Re: Sea of East, Korea, Japan.
Organization: Alternative Collegiate Computing Association
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 12:52:51 GMT

"English Channel"

:)

- jon
(redROM)


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jfe@alchemy.tn.cornell.edu (Brian Chung)
Subject: Re: President Park Jung Hee
Organization: Alchemy International
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:10:01 GMT

In article <1992Nov6.081409.17754@seas.gwu.edu> claypool@seas.gwu.edu (Hyok H. Lee) writes:
>
>
>I think he sucks cock. He was one of the worst dictators in the
>twentieth century.  What can you expect of someone who graduated from
>the Japanese military academy?  Big deal, he started the sae-maoul
>undong, but what it basically consisted of was getting rid of
>mud huts and replacing them with corrugated steel houses....big
>improvements. If I was to meet him in person, I would torture in
>the worst way possible, like he did to his opponents, and make hime
>die a horrible death.  A bullet while drinking a glass of Chivas was
>too good for the likes of him.
>
>HL
	Woah...  The original poster was just asking for an information
on where he can get the biography.  

	Anyway, since this thread seems to be heading towards "Chew-on-
Park" thread, I thought I'd put in my 0.02 credits worth.  (To James
Choi, I'm baaaaaaaaaaack!  :)  )

	Let's see.  He sucks cock.  Hmm...I don't have too much info on
that, but since that biography was unauthorized, maybe the author knew
something we don't.  :)  One of the worst dictators in the 20th century?
Come on, give the guy a break.  You really want to put Park along the
ranks of Stalin, Hitler, Idi Amin, Brezhnev, etc.?  Yeah, he did as much
to the growth of democracy as Bush did to the growth of American economy,
but he was a great motivator.  You can't forget what he did to the Korean
economy.  As far as torturing and killing him goes, no comment from me.
I do not believe in do unto others as they do unto you.
>
-- 
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: jderagon@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Deragon)
Subject: Several Questions..
Followup-To: soc.culture.korean
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 09:41:18 GMT



    An-nyeong-ha-se-yo

    I have just met this fabulous girl who happens to be Korean/American
and I have decided to make an attempt to learn Korean in order to speak
to her.

    I went to several bookstores to look for books on learning the
Korean language, and have only found the basic tourist guide type books
that has phrases that I would never apply in my conversations with her.

    Things like...

    che-so-ro chom ka chu-se-yo (Take me to this address [taxi])

    Kwan-gwang-ha-reo wa-sseo-yo (I am here as a tourist)

    I picked up one book, just to try to learn pronuciation, and
    some basic phrases like hello, goodbye, how are you and such,
    but thats about all this book is good for.


    Does anyone know any good books or tapes to learn Korean from?

    Also, if anyone could send me some phrases in Korean in the meantime
    so I can talk to her I would *greatly* appreciate it.  Phrases such
    as "I missed talking to you", "I can't wait till I see you", you
    know, typical girl-guy chatter.

    Any and all help would be kindly accepted!

    Cheong-mal kam-sa-ham-ni-da!


        John Deragon

----
John Paul Deragon
jderagon@nyx.cs.du.edu



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Newsgroups: soc.culture.korean
From: lee@infant.waisman.wisc.edu
Subject: RE: President Park Jung Hee
Organization: Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Date: 10 NOV 92 22:04:59 CST

	These days I am really disappointed to see that there are not a 
few people who think that Mr. Park Jung Hee was a great leader of Korea, 
or who even admire him. First, I suspect that those who admire him were 
either children or very old during his regime, or have special interests 
with him.

	Although they admit that there was a dark side, they emphasize 
the economic development during that time. They like to call it a miracle 
and such a miracle would have been impossible without him. Nonsense.
It is the same logic as the way Kim Il Sung is idolized in N. Korea, 
although the economy of N. Korea is far from a miracle.

	I'd like to point two things here. Even if we suppose that he 
played a great role in the economic development, he is responsible for
the delay of democracy of Korea. WE ARE SUFFERING FROM IT UNTIL NOW. He 
ignored the rules of game and he made the rules for himself. Korean are
known as notoriously law(or rule)-ignoring people. When the president 
ignores the law, who will abide by the law? (Sorry for digressing) Simply 
speaking, the problem is to decide which is more important for us between 
economic development and the quality of life. The bright side (economic
development) is visible, but the dark side is very difficult to diagnose 
and easily covered by the bright side. Don't be fooled.

	The other thing is that if dictatorship is justified by economic
development, we cannot evade from the dictatorship. As far as there are
people who admire Mr. Park Junk Hee, dictatorship will recur at any time.
Watch out! 'The Last Martial Law' is not far from us. Or it may not be 
the last.

	This thread reminded me that social mind progresses so slow. It 
took us thounds of years for us to admit that men and women are equal.
Only God knows how long it will take for a society to recognize that 
dictatorship can never be justified by anything else.

Hankyu Lee