From: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen)
Subject: Re: Still some stupidity of the lambs. 
Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:06:40 GMT

Ove Ruben R Olsen (buboo@alf.uib.no) wrote:
: USENET DISCLAIMER: This is NOT a personal flame, though it may look like
:                    that. It's just to show how the lamb is behaving.

Nice to know.
: 
: Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen writes:
: 
: [ FIX your news header. As it looks now, your postings are comming from
:   UNIT, not mrih. UNIT has nothing to do with this, but if you continue
:   THEY may be responsible. ]

We have had newsgroups here for two weeks, now. One of those weeks, I was away,
so I have not been able to get much into using tin yet, and the help does not
give any information about how to fix the news header. However, I will
immediately contact the one responsible for installing tin on unix1.
: 
: You have been first time seem on IRC:
: Thu Sep 24 20:44:41 1992 (  0:01:28): gard@158.38.66.43 (flipper.pvv.unit.no)
: Today's date is: Tue Nov 10 13:40:24 MET 1992

I had already been on IRC a long time before this, via goonsquad. On this date,
however, we finally got IRC on our local unix (data3d.mrih.no)

: Not bad, realy not bad. It's sad to know that this person can destroy the
: use of a service for a lot of users:
: 
:     TOTAL INFORMATION (Norway september 1992.)
:     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:     Total served time:              162 ds + 19:50:01
:     Number of sessions:            6474
:     Number of different domains:     27
:     Number of different users:      371
:     Number of different machines:   331
: 
: I do hope you are proud when that happens.

Shocked by the number of sessions? Well, we did have a few problems getting
irc to work, and after that, quite a few visits were done to check wether
or not certain people were on. If they weren't on, logout immediately.
: 
: Another more important point is from the file 
: aun.uninett.no:uninett/uninett.regler. (For those who don't know, UNINett
: is the Norwegian part or Internet).

I suppose the average user know about this file? I didn't.

: ~
: ~
: 4.0 Acceptable Use Policy
: 
:     (7) Use should be consistent with guiding ethical statements and
:         accepted community standards, such as
: 
:       - Malicious use is not acceptable.
:       - Use of the network in a manner that precludes or significantly 
:         hampers the use by others should not be allowed.
:       - Operational procedures should be followed.
: ~
: ~
I cannot see how Glurg breaks any of these rules.
: 
: How to enforce the rules from uninett is much up to the various service
: providers. The Norwegian EBIC members (every server admin) has agreed to
: certain Operation procedures on their servers. This procedure is clearly
: stated in the MOTD. So before you began your crusade towards the org called
: Say NO to unattended bots (SNTUB) you should have asked some information 
: from  the people who know how this game works.
: 
: On the wery best, your school may loose it's network acess.

On which grounds?

: The net is not a right, but a service.
: 
: You may be a graduate in 3 years time, by then I'll still be around and
: running IRC in Norway. In the meantime, I will never let one person destroy
: the service for the 90 - 110 regular users of IRC in Norway.

It's difficult to interpret if this "one person" is just "one person", or
if you're pointing the finger to me.
: 
: \Ruben. 
: (Say NO to unattended bots)

Some unattended bots are of good use. Some not. If you really hate Glurg so
much, why don't you kill him and leave a message in my mailbox? You have the
power to do that.
: 
: PS: In september this year, I do wonder how much of 24 logins over 1 day 
:     (24 hours), 3 hours, 26 minutes and 10 seconds that YOU where actualy 
:     on ? (Remeber that you first signes on on the 24th).
:   :DS
: 
Most probably all of them but one. When I programme my bot, I don't kill it,
just tell it to reset, and voila, Glurg has killed his old programme and
loaded the new script. Also, getting him to run in the background was a pain,
but eventually it worked.

/Gard     (No disclaimer)
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