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From: mack@risc.sps.mot.com (Gregg Mack)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Phone/Fax number for Colorado Cyclist
Date: 21 Jan 1993 20:20:59 -0600
Organization: Motorola (Austin,TX)
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brockr@muvaxa.rferl.org (Train, Learn, Climb, Ride) writes:

>  I've been told that Colorado Cyclist in Colo. Springs has moved
>their location and, subsequently, their phone/fax numbers.  Can someone
>please get me these numbers so I can update my contact numbers?  Thanks in
>advance.

Just received my tires today, and they put their newest catalog in the box!

The Colorado Cyclist
3970 E. Bijou Street
Colorado Springs, CO 80909-9946

Toll Free: 1-800-688-8600
24 Hour FAX: 1-719-591-4041
Info: 1-719-591-4040

Weekdays 8:00 AM - 7:00 PM MST
Saturday 8:00 AM - 5:00 PM MST

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans)
Subject: Re: Black Ice - the definition (was Re: How do you deal with Black Ice?)
Organization: C.C.S.O.
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:39:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.160507.2606@csi.uottawa.ca>
pete@mudhead.uottawa.ca (Pete Hickey) writes:
 
>In article <1993Jan19.231732.13870@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:
>>
>>He was opposing "cold ice", say -10 deg celcius, which can't be melted by
>>reasonable amounts of pressure, from pressure-meltable ice, which at -0.5 deg C
>>is almost as warm as it is possible for ice to be and therefore can reasonable
>>be called warm [for ice].
>>
>>BTW i question the common explanation of ice being melted by pressure [although
>>i don't have a better one].
>>
This makes me wonder how skates work.  My (outdoor) speed skate blades
are about 1/32" wide, have a flat (planar) bottom surface, and contact
the ice for about 9", giving a footprint of nearly 1/4 square inch, and
forces on the order of 700psi...far too little to cause an awful lot of
freezing point depression.  Yet, the blades to experience some friction.
Is it possible that it is the sliding friction between the blade and
the ice that generates enough heat to melt a thin layer of ice?  (This
would put most of the friction toward the front end of the blade, and
would be a good excuse why I always tend to have my weight too far
forward.)   Anyway, back to bicycles.  Could it be the tire squirm
of the tire's contact patch that melts the ice/snow...not the pressure?
 
..Richard E+17
 
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se (Torsten Lif)
Subject: Re: Power needs on recumbents vs. diamond f
Reply-To: etxorst@eos.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:57:51 GMT

In article 727678669@huxley, cma851@huxley.anu.edu.au (Brenton LeMesurier) writes:
>    Suppose first that you pedal on a recumbent with a certain pattern of
>pedalling force through each crank revolution.  If you then repeat this
>pattern of pedalling force while seated on a diamond frame, you will
>still deliver the same power to the drive train.  At the same time, the
>vertical component of that force will give some partial support of you
>body weight, reducing the "saddle pressure".  This partial support does
>not require any extra force, metabolic work, strain on joints, etc.

But that's the point I was making. There is no vertical component of
your pedal force (if your stroke is smooth) when the pedals are in the
six-o'clock position.

But one thought did occur to me on my way home yesterday. When at the
bottom part of the stroke, your lower leg is so near-straight that it
does only take minimal effort to straighten it completely and support
your weight. So I guess we're both right. The sine function that means
pedalling has no vertical component at the bottom of the stroke, also
means that the force required to straighten the leg approaches zero.

>    Do not take this rejection of one argument for recumbents as a
>general attack on them: I would like the chance to try a day ride on
>one, to experience for myself the trade-offs of genuine advantages such
>as aerodynamics against things like greater weight.

Now that's the kind of open-minded approach I like! :-)

>-- 
>Brenton LeMesurier

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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Subject: Stopping Thieves Re: Bike-only Households
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc
Reply-To: timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 22:45:34 GMT

freshair@iastate.edu (James W Gregory) writes:
|In <1jrl9vINNc1f@uwm.edu> thelma@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Thelma Lubkin) writes:
|>     Our most serious problem is parking: we won't take a bicycle unless
|>  there's a reasonably safe place to park it, which means that we walk to
|>  many events like concerts.
|
|I can understand your concern.  My recommendation:  pull a trailer.
|No one will steal a bike pulling a trailer--a theif would be too slow
|when he tries to ride it away, and he would be too readily noticed.
|(I speak from experience.  I've had two bikes stolen in the past two
|years.  Both times I did not have my trailer connected.)

But what if the thief removes the trailer when stealing the bicycle,
or if your task does not require the use of the trailer?

Also, it is quite easy to steal parts off of bicycles (quick release
wheels, panniers, pump, headlight, etc.).  Any ideas on keeping thieves
away?
-- 
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: jdm@rmtc.Central.Sun.COM (Jim Moore)
Subject: Re: Cycling at High(ish) Altitudes
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:54:45 GMT

>ag544@yfn.ysu.edu (Erl R. Johnston) writes:
>Has anyone out there much experience of cycling at high altitudes
>for extended periods of time - up to a week of serious exertion.

Fitness level seems to correlate very well to higher altitude tolerance.
I live and ride between 6500 and 7500 ft. and have had visitors 
from <1000 ft. ride with me. They generally do well if they are 
consistant cyclist. The first day is the worst as far as being short
of breath, then people acclimate quickly. A different story for
sedentary people who have dizziness and shortness of breath for days.
In extreme cases, it can be full blown altitude sickness and can
be dangerous. I have only heard of this at ski resorts around here
and they are all above 8000 ft at the base.

In summary, I wouldn't worry about it. Just do (or don't do) what
you body tells you. By the end of a week, you'll be right at home.

Jim Moore
Colorado Springs
From: eric@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Eric Swartz)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: suspension bike owners
Date: 26 Jan 93 02:55:15 GMT
Organization: Broadcasting Services, Michigan State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: fm-control.wkar.msu.edu

Hi all, 

I'm about ready to invest in a new mountain bike, my old Peugeot Black Rock 
is about to be retired.  My question is what new bike to get? I want to go 
with front-end suspension, rear is overkill for my part of the country(mid-
michigan area).  I have looked at the Cannondale Delta V series and they 
seem to be the best all around suspension bike for around a grand (Delta V 
700).  Or, should I go with a bit more of a different bike and put some Rock 
Shox on it?  How many of you folks ride with Shox and who has the C'dales 
and what are your opinions on the two.  I can't seem to make up my mind, and 
am sick of hearing all the same reviews from the mags.  I would like some 
comments from actual riders who don't have to worry about advertising 
revenues.  I'm trying to keep it under the 1500.00 range (closer to 1000.00 
if I can).  Some feedback would be greatly appreciated. I perfer mail, 
beacuse I don't have access to this group very much. 

Thanks for your opinions

EMS
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: garyb@gcm.com (Gary Blumenstein)
Subject: Cycling around Portland Oregon
Organization: Greenwich Capital Markets, Inc.
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 19:37:07 GMT

I recall someone posting about this a while ago but I never saw any 
responses.

Are there any cyclists out there from Portland, OR?  If so, I'd really
like to hear from you.  I'm interested in finding out where the best 
places for both road cycling and Mt. Biking are around the immediate 
Portland vicintity.

I am an experienced road cyclist and sometime Mt. biker and I'm interested
esspecially around the Sunset Corridor, Aloha, and Hillsboro area.
Where would you prefer to live if you wanted to be close to good cycling
territory.

Please, if you know anything about the area please send me a note.  I
would greatly appeciate it.  Thank you

- Gary
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Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George)
Subject: Re: Stopping Thieves Re: Bike-only Households
Organization: OSF RI Grenoble
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:45:01 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.224534.15023@netcom.com>, timlee@netcom.com (Timothy J. Lee) writes:

|> Also, it is quite easy to steal parts off of bicycles (quick release
|> wheels, panniers, pump, headlight, etc.).  Any ideas on keeping thieves
|> away?

Yeah, Pit Bull Terrier,

David
From: bll@seer.gentoo.com (Brad Lanam)
Subject: Re: Punishment for the Driver!
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:06:16 GMT
Organization: Brad Lanam  Walnut Creek, CA

In article <1993Jan22.033611.5725@netcom.com>
    tomk@netcom.com (Thomas H. Kunich) writes:
>Are you suggesting therefore that we eliminate carpool lanes? Certainly the
>idea of using the fastest portion of the multi-million dollar high tech
>road way for a minute percentage of the driving public is the same case.

    They're supposed to be an incentive to carpool.  I don't know why
they won't raise the gasoline tax.  We have about the cheapest tax in
the world (14 cents / litre; most of Europe is around 75 cents a litre;
The Economist Jan 9th-15th '93).  Would do a whole lot more good.

-- Brad



-- 
Until the next disk seek...
   -- Brad Lanam  bll@gentoo.com  ...!netcom!seer!bll
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ag544@yfn.ysu.edu (Erl R. Johnston)
Subject: Thanks for the Altitude answers
Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:54:08 GMT


  Thanks to all the folks who responded to my
questions about cycling at high(ish) altitudes.
  Your info was gratefully recieved.

Erl R Johnston
u9118543@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk
Belfast, N.Ireland.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: bcs33424@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bryan Siegfried)
Subject: Re: Drivers and Bikers
Reply-To: zig@uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 05:17:26 GMT

plutchak@pilsner.geo.brown.edu (Joel Plutchak) writes:

>In article <C19r6M.E46@news.rich.bnr.ca> rob@bnr.ca (Robert Perkins) writes:
>>Face it, U.S. citizens are lazy-ass drivers who confuse
>>their cars with their penises.
>   It should be noted here that roughly half the licensed drivers
>in the US don't even *have* penises.
>--
>Joel Plutchak, Research Programmer/Analyst

	Especially the person who started all these threads.


-- 
Bryan Siegfried							zig@uiuc.edu
Solvet saeclum in favilla
From: casseres@apple.com (David Casseres)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Hit and run accident
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:24:15 GMT
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.misc, rec.bicycles.soc
Organization: Apple Computer Inc.

In article <1993Jan20.084146.13057@osf.org>, david@postman.gr.osf.org
(David George) wrote:
> 
> In article <casseres-190193173222@missmolly.apple.com>, casseres@apple.com (David Casseres) writes:
> 
> |> In this particular case it looks like
> |> the CHP will push for a homicide charge, so there is a chance this woman
> |> will be jailed.
> 
> That's nice of them.  Lucky for the woman she chose a car not a handgun as
> her method of assault because (guilty or not) she WOULD be facing a murder
> charge.
> 
> strange value system.

According to this morning's paper, the woman has in fact been charged with
murder and is being held without bail.

--

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Hey!
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: zstern@adobe.com (Zalman Stern)
Subject: Re: Tucson bike lanes (Was: Punishment for the Driver!)
Followup-To: rec.bicycles.soc
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:23:05 GMT

[Followups to rec.bicycles.soc I hope...]

In article <30325@optima.cs.arizona.edu> sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko  
Mohamed) writes:
> 
> Come to Tucson. It's been raining quite a bit over the last couple of
> months, and all the goddamn bike lanes are filled with sand and other
> debris, resulting effectively in a narrowing of the street. If they hadn't
> painted that line, motorists would use that part of the road, cleaning off
> the rubbish.
> 

I was in Tucson over the holidays. People kept commenting on how great the  
bike lanes on Mountain are. Mountain is a major two lane road with a newly  
installed ~five foot cobble stone divider and a bike lane on each side of  
the street. I got into a couple of arguments when I expressed the opinion  
that the cobble stone divider was at best a waste of good lane width and at  
worst very dangerous. (Its especially treacherous looking at intersections  
because there is almost no room to merge with thru-traffic to avoid  
right-turn hooks.) Then there was the relative who insisted on driving in  
the bike lane because it was raining and there was water running down the  
middle of the road. I did learn that many people have been brainwashed into  
loving bike lanes and if you try to persuade them otherwise using logic,  
they brand you as some sort of weird fanatic and start avoiding you.

According to a classmate of mine from high school, these lanes cost two  
million dollars ($2e6) per mile to build. They were installed because Tucson  
has a very high cyclist fatality rate compared to the rest of the nation.  
(Anybody have statistics on this or know where to find them?) My comment was  
"judging on the number of people I've seen riding on the wrong side of the  
road and other incompetent things, they should have left out a mile or two  
and put the money towards education programs."
--
Zalman Stern		   zalman@adobe.com		    (415) 962 3824
Adobe Systems, 1585 Charleston Rd., POB 7900, Mountain View, CA 94039-7900
 "...And I didn't even need pants!!"--Dilbert on The Net (by Scott Adams)
From: nevai@ops.mps.ohio-state.edu (Paul Nevai)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Stopping Thieves Re: Bike-only Households
Date: 26 Jan 1993 19:13:55 GMT
Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: ops.mps.ohio-state.edu


For quick-release wheels: use zip ties. The strongests (about 50 cents a
piece) ones are absolutely impossible to remove w/o a tool. If the thief is
determined enough to use a tool, nothing will stop him (or her - are there
any female thives???).

BTW: the accessories on my bike were perfectly secured => my whole bike was
stolen right in front of the Ohio State University Post Office.

Take care...Paul 

Paul Nevai                            pali+@osu.edu
Department of Mathematics             nevai@mps.ohio-state.edu
The Ohio State University             nevai@ohstpy.bitnet
231 West Eighteenth Avenue            1-614-292-3317 (Office)
Columbus, Ohio 43210-1174             1-614-292-5310 (Answering Machine)
The United States of America          1-614-292-1479 (Math Dept Fax)

From: blakely@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Frank Blakely)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 15:56:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Grumble, grumble, grumble...
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc

YES you are.

Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: ncherry@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (neil j.cherry)
Subject: Re: A Quick Survey
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 18:48:10 GMT

In article <11432@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk (David R Marsh CS91) writes:
>I'd been thinking about this over the holidays, and was going to ask anyway,
>bit with the unfortunate "accident" in the USA, I thought it was quite 
>appropriate. 
>
>A quick survey about all things cyclewise.
>
>Do you cycle on roads at all?
	Yes
>
>Do you cycle on major roads at all?
	Yes
>
>Do you cycle on major roads (especially dual carriageways) outwith towns?
	No (minimum speed 45 mph ~72 kph)
>
>What do you think of the attitude of car (bus etc) drivers?
	Most are tolerant, a few are hostile.
>
>Do you think cyclists get enough respect?
	No, they're treated as obstacles by the (most) motoring public.
>
>Do you feel safe cycling on roads? 
	Most yes, some more than others
>
>Do you think enough is done to improve conditions for cyclists?
	No!
>
>...and how do you think this should be done (cycleways, cycle lanes, or what)?
	Intellignet cycling and educate the public.
>
>What is your normal mode of transport?
	Long trips Auto, short trips bicycle.
>
>How do you transport your bike (when not actually cycling!)?
	Back of car.
>
>Are you a member of a cycle club or campaign group?
	Not yet.
>
>What do you think of current transport policy?
	What policy? (;-})
>
>Do you think that bike carriage on trains is important?
	Never thought about it.
>
>What are the main uses of your bike?
	Transport, exercise & fun. (that order)
>
>What sort of bike(s) do you have (mountain bike, recumbent, racer etc)?
	A MTB and a touring.
>
>What do you think of law-breaking cyclists?
	Appropriot punishment needs to be handed out.
>
>(And I suppose I have to ask) do you wear a helmet?
	Yes, but thats my choice (lets keep it that way).
>
>If you did something which carried a high risk of your own death, a high risk 
>of killing other people, which adversely affected the environment, which cost
>you a lot of money, and was highly taxed, you'd stop wouldn't you?
	Ask a smoker!
NJC
From: jeand@icicle.Eng.Sun.COM (Jean Dumouchel)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Punishment for the Driver!
Date: 22 Jan 1993 05:17:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jeand@icicle.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: icicle

In article 713@speedy.aero.org, keenan@kanga.aero.org (Don Keenan) writes:
> 
> The point isn't that there is a legion of drivers out there just waiting 
> for an excuse to crush a cyclist. In fact, I think a lot of the posters
> are overly paranoid in this respect. I doubt that this fellow had it in for
> bicyclists in particular. The point is anytime you get in an
> arguement (or exchange of gestures) with someone you don't know you take 
> the risk that that person may react in an outrageous manner. If you're on 
> a bike in traffic that reaction can have very serious consequences. 
> 

When I was living in Canada, Ottawa to be exact, I would flip the bird 
every so often. Usually when I was tired. Now Ottawa is a pretty violent
city as far as both drivers and Canada are concerned but I never really worried
about it since I'm reasonably big and I can run fast (if needed). 

But when I told my mom I was moving to the states her last words of advice
were "they carry guns".

paranoids 'r us
(but then, what'd you expect, eh?)






From: brooksp@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Peter Brooks)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:08:52 GMT
Subject: Re: A Quick Survey
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
From: yschin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Yu-Shin Chin)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
Subject: Re: Stopping Thieves Re: Bike-only Households
Date: 27 Jan 93 17:09:22 GMT
Organization: University of Manitoba, Canada


|> > Also, it is quite easy to steal parts off of bicycles (quick release
|> > wheels, panniers, pump, headlight, etc.).  Any ideas on keeping thieves
|> > away?
|> 
|> Still working on this one.  Vetta used to have a lockable box which bolted
|> down to the rear rack, but apparently stopped making them some time ago.
|> I'll probably build something similar myself (18 ga. aluminum?).
|> 
|> I also dislike quick-release accessories; I took the QR off my seatpost and
|> substituted a regular bolt, and my lights are all custom-installed and bolted
|> in place.


Replacing QR with regular bolts is not enough of a deterant, because I has a set of Profile XC Durange bars on my mountain bike.  I had left it locked outside for about half an hour and when I came out, someone had come by with an allen key and had removed the Profile bars.  He must have had a pretty large allen key because I had to use one more than a foot long in order to get enough leverage to tighten the expansion bolt inside the handlebar.  I think that the best thing to do is to have insurance on you







r bike, so that when someone does remove a lot of parts off your bike, it won't cost too much to replace them.  



I haven't tried this but how about covering/filling the head of the bolt/screw with a material which must be removed before a tool will fit.  
Any suggestion on what material to use?

How about lead-tin solder which can be applied with a soldering gun.  The melting point of this solder is much lower than that of steel bolts/screws.  So it should be relatively safe, but the temp may be high enough to affect the strength of the bolt material near the hot solder.  

Sam
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc
From: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Subject: Re: Cycling at High(ish) Altitudes
Reply-To: paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 20:17:21 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.165559.26909@osf.org>, david@postman.gr.osf.org (David George) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan22.131632.23927@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, paynter@bnr.ca (Stuart Paynter) writes:
|> |> In article <1993Jan22.113302.9998@news.ysu.edu>, ag544@yfn.ysu.edu (Erl R. Johnston) writes:
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> FRom Erl R Johnston @ The Queen's University Of Belfast
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> e-Mail u9118543@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> 
|> |> |> Has anyone out there much experience of cycling at high altitudes
|> |> |> for extended periods of time - up to a week of serious exertion.
|> 
|> |> Going from a low lying area to high altitude, one must be cautious of
|> |> AMS (Acute Mountain Sickness).  It can occur at altitudes of about 
|> |> 4500 - 5000'.
|> 
|> 
|> This figure sounds a bit low, that's only 1300metres, have you perhaps got
|> your ' feet and m. metres signs confused ?
|> 

Unfortunately not.  There have been documented cases of AMS at as low as
4500 feet.  The majority of cases are reported above 8-9000', but it is a
possibility at a lower altitude.  Appaerenty your reaction is controlled
by an artery in your neck which acts as a sensor for CO2 levels.  When
the oxygen intake drops below your aclimatized level, AMS can set in. 
Aclimtization (or a very responsive artery) is the only way around it. 
Check out the article in American Health magazine (Jan 1993) about AMS.

One thing to note, is that aerobic capacity does not lessen your chances
of getting AMS.  An athlete is as likely to be stricken as a couch potato.
If you are not accustomed to high-altitude, it might be wise to check with
a doctor if you plan to go above 8000 feet, especially for something like
bicycling or other physical exertion.

Stuart
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