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From: zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant `Zoltar' Thoms)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re:   Parlimentary Fire Sale (Was: Happy Guy Fawkes Day!)
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:16:45 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Silent Imperium Amiga PD Group

In article <1992Jul30.202204.9754@waikato.ac.nz> hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>In article <zoltar.03pm@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz>, zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant `Zoltar' Thoms) writes:
>> In article <1992Jul27.204626.21741@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz> russell@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Fulton) writes:
>>>zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant Thoms) writes:
>
>>>I think that it is important to preserve important pieces of the our past.
>>>The other side of the issue is that the $100 million will end up in peoples
>>>pockets just as surely as if it had been allocated to Social Welfare. (I
>>
>> But it would be doing so much more good being in peoples pockets rather
>> than on show to impress overseas visitors.
>>
>
>Yeah right. Lets give it away to beneficiaries for them to stand around doing
>nothing instead of keeping some of them employed still and earning the money.
>Real neat economic sense you have there. Ever thought of running for parliment?
>You could grab one of the alliance seats. It sounds like something they'd think
>of.
>

I know that there seems to be a feeling out there that Unemployed persons
do nothing but sit around all day.. This is true with a majority of people
but ther ARE persons (like myself) who ARE working towards finding employment
searching for work is a full time job, and DOES cost money, some sort of
acknowledgement for unemployed people who are trying to help themselves should
be served out, either in monetry gain or in some other way.. Not everyone
is a builder or electrician, not everyone would know how to, let alone want to
rebuild a building that is falling apart, and does not really servie any
purpose other than for overseas visitors to stare at, and graffiti artists
to decorate. The building is just sitting there empty, why bother
fixing it up??



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From: paul@actrix.gen.nz (Paul Gillingwater)
Subject: Re: Referendum '92
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 19:43:44 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.162218.1@elec.canterbury.ac.nz> earl@elec.canterbury.ac.nz writes:
> Could someone knowledgable out there please confirm or deny the 
> following:

First a disclaimer -- I'm not knowledgable.
 
> I have heard (through heresay, pub gossip, whispers of treason
> and from several "informed" bogans) that in the referedum, all
> votes not cast - i.e. those too apathetic to vote - will be
> treated as a vote for the continuation of the present
> first-past-the-post system. 

A friend tried to explain it to me, so blame my memory if I get it
wrong... BUT:

He's a market research analyst, and he says it has been set up in a
very devious manner.  Apparently, the mechanics of the vote are cast
in two stages:

Stage 1:  You indicate a preference FOR or AGAINST *any* change.

Stage 2:  You then select which method you would like to change
*to*, assuming that Stage 1 is FOR.  

The subtle part is that everyone who gets a choice in stage 1, also
gets to choose in stage 2.  Including those who vote AGAINST any
change.

Apparently, the party organizations (both of them!) have been
instructing the faithful to vote AGAINST change -- but as an added
precaution, to vote for something OTHER THAN MMP.

MMP is IMHO the only real hope for effective representation in NZ.
And that's the very system that the present two-party (binary
tyranny) wants to perpetuate.  So:

\begin{political opinion}
Vote FOR change,
and FOR MMP.
\end{political opinion}

> Andrew Earl, Bogan Extraordinaire

Paul Gillingwater,
anti-bogon.

(Heheh, not really an anti-bogon.  Perhaps just a K-Meson after
all!)
-- 
Paul Gillingwater, paul@actrix.gen.nz
From: zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant `Zoltar' Thoms)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re:   Parlimentary Fire Sale (Was: Happy Guy Fawkes Day!)
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:22:13 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Silent Imperium Amiga PD Group

In article <1992Jul30.202204.9754@waikato.ac.nz> hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:
>Yeah right. Lets give it away to beneficiaries for them to stand around doing
>nothing instead of keeping some of them employed still and earning the money.
>Real neat economic sense you have there. Ever thought of running for parliment?
>You could grab one of the alliance seats. It sounds like something they'd think
>of.

In addition to my last reply to this piece of substandard workmanship
from Hamish, No I don't intend running for parliment, I cannot lie to the
people of New Zealand like the government presently is.. I take it that you
are a National government supporter.. I was.... I aren't now..

And to add... University Degrees don't help with employment, you can be
overexperienced then., so get off your high horse.. and get back to reality
man..
From: zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant `Zoltar' Thoms)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re:  Parlimentary Fire Sale (Was: Happy Guy Fawkes Day!)
Date: 30 Jul 92 23:09:35 PST
Distribution: world
Organization: Silent Imperium Amiga PD Group

In article <1992Jul28.111024.9600@actrix.gen.nz> Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes:

<Stuff deleted>

>of the building.  In fact, if media reports even vaguely resemble the
>truth (not guaranteed), the fire was in a part of the building which
>was going to be demolished anyway.

Well, you learn something new every day, don't you.. I didn't relise that
the fire was in a part that was going to be demolished. Good, it's going to
create jobs.. Bad, it's going to cost taxpayers money... That's where my
thoughts stand, and will continue to stand on this subject..

Thanks for your comments..

Grant (soon to be employed!!)

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Newsgroups: nz.general
From: gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Nathan Torkington)
Subject: Re: CFD: nz.decus
Organization: Contract to CSC, Victoria Uni, Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 06:31:34 GMT

don@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Don Stokes) writes:

   Any further discussion before starting the ballot?

Yes - could you say why a mailing-list is insufficient or undesirable?

Nat
(gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz -- Nathan Torkington -- is the electronic text and
 MS-DOS archivist for the Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Email privacy ???
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:42:29 GMT
Organization: Z*NET Global News Gateway in Auckland New Zealand

thetroll@rata.vuw.ac.nz (The Troll) writes:

> In article <> clear@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz (Charlie Lear) writes:
> 
> >Because of that indecision, I reserve the right to intercept or read any
> >incoming or outgoing email from my users.
> 
> We have found that making users sign forms that explicitly state that
> System Adminstrators are empowered to read any email that the user might
> have is the best defense. Merely reserving the right, without notification
> puts you on shaky ground. 
> 
 
 Alex,
 
 I agree with Charlie in this matter and I also reserve the right to do the 
same. Infact at logon on this site the new user is even warned of this and 
he excepts this and our right to bill them by pressing the ENTER key to 
continue with the logon process. 
 
 From a conversation I had today with VUW about student users it appears not 
all is equal in Auckland and Wellington.  If a student user runs up a 
massive email bill here in Auckland and or gets onto a mailing list that 
will not stop, VUW will entertain righting the wrong so to speak, ie redress 
to the student concerned or forced stopage of the mailer, where here in 
Auckland this is not the case. Infact it is my experience that the chaps 
here in Auckland do not want to know about, thus the reason why we are very 
careful with who send what!
 
 I hope this answers a few of your questions. Well done Charlie I for one 
agree with your policy.
 

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Newsgroups: nz.general
From: andy.linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
Subject: Re: CFD: nz.decus
Organization: Dept of Comp Science, Victoria Uni, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:27:04 GMT


In article <R83JoB6w164w@status.gen.nz>, jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
|> don@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Don Stokes) writes:
|> 
|> > While I've got DECUS things on my mind....
|> > 
|> > Is there any objection to setting up a newsgroup for DECUS NZ, which 
|> > became a chapter in its own right this year?  
|> > 
|>  
|>  While on the subject of NZ news groups. How about we set up one for the 
|>  Z*NET Magazine ie NZ.ZNET where we can release a whole issue for general
|>  viewing rather than in email or on FTP from the site our site here 
|>  supply?

How big is the magazine? Why can't it go in one of the existing groups?
Wellington City Council post their library acquisitions and What's on in the
Harbour Capital items and more power to them for doing it.

Let's cut the crap of having our own private news group for our own particular
hobby horses otherwise I want nz.irish-dance-music, nz.tramping, nz.real-beer.

I'll vote NO!
Newsgroups: nz.general
From: Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Parlimentary Fire Sale (Was: Happy Guy Fawkes Day!)
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 11:10:24 GMT

In article <blah> zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant Thoms) writes:
 
> >Now the Sill prat Bolger intends even more to refurbish/rebuild the building.
> >What a silly thing to do, especially when there are many people finding it
> >hard living at the moment, sure the politcians don't have money worries,
> >but there ARE people who are unemployed (Like myself) who can't understand
> >why the Government would even _consider_ rebuilding the stupid building,
> >when tere are people living on the streets, working the streets at night.

The fire has no effect on the refurbishment contract - it was
officially signed last Thursday, and the contracts already had control
of the building.  In fact, if media reports even vaguely resemble the
truth (not guaranteed), the fire was in a part of the building which
was going to be demolished anyway.

There ARE many people who are unemployed.  But when this contract
starts, there will be less who are unemployed.  Or at least there will
be some people who might have been unemployed if nothing was done to
the building.  (This should NOT be taken as a lack of sympathy for you
or anyone else who doesn't have a paying job at the moment.)

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Newsgroups: nz.general
From: thetroll@rata.vuw.ac.nz (The Troll)
Subject: Re: Email privacy ???
Organization: Computing Serv. Ctr, Victoria Uni., Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:17:45 GMT

In article <i23JoB5w164w@status.gen.nz> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
> I agree with Charlie in this matter and I also reserve the right to do the 
>same. Infact at logon on this site the new user is even warned of this and 
>he excepts this and our right to bill them by pressing the ENTER key to 
>continue with the logon process. 

And *I* agree with Charlie that this is a good idea, I was merely trying
to point out that from his original message it could be assumed that
Charlie merely reserved this right. And that his users were not explicity
informed. Charlie *has* stated that he does explicity inform his users and I
applaud that approach. 

Your system as you describe explicity informs your users that they accept
this reservation of access right as part of using your bbs. However I
would caution that the system that you use is not as iron-clad as
signatures on paper. *But* for most users it is entirely sufficent, and
the odds of getting a really nasty user with the lawyer power to make
trouble are pretty slim. 

However we should all watch carefully any privacy legislation that is
passed, the ownership and access to of computer files on shared user
sytems is still not written into law. Again, who ever can afford the best
laywers will proibably make the policy in this area. 


--
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Domain: Alex.Heatley@vuw.ac.nz              Victoria University of Wellington
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From: rich@tosh.wcc.govt.nz (Richard Naylor )
Newsgroups: nz.general,wgtn.chat
Subject: Artsplash 1992
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 18:48:09 GMT
Organization: City Net -  Wellington City Council's Community Computer Network

21:41:00
21-Jul-1992

                          Artsplash 1992
                          ==============

29 July 1992  2100 to 0100 GMT - Primary Children
30 July 1992  0700 to 1000 GMT - Secondary Children

                          
As a part of the Wellington Young Peoples Festival, we the
Electronic Cafe at Capital Discovery Place, will be running an
ARTSPLASH. This is an electronic art event mainly using fax
transmission. In addition, during the day's events, an on-line
chat session will operate on Internet Relay Chat.

About 1,000 children will be passing the display of fax art and
on-line chat during the day and normally stop to join in. The
theme of the day is DISCOVERY.

Art Work - "My Face - Our Place"
--------

Art work can be faxed to +64 4 801-3909 from anytime now onwards, and
will be put on display during the Festival, in the Michael Fowler
Centre. 

Please contact via fax or email if you would also like to receive
faxes from children in Wellington.

The theme of the art work is "My Face, Our Place"

Internet Relay Chat
-------------------
During the day of 29 July, from 2100 GMT until 1000 GMT on 30
July, we will be operating a non-stop chat session on Internet
Relay Chat using the host kosmos.wcc.govt.nz. The IRC channel
will be called ARTSPLASH. Please join us for a friendly chat on
the childrens festival, art work, your holidays, or anything
suitable to young children. The account that will be in use will
be,

    stanley_g@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz   (Glen Stanley)
    
Please help this fun event by joining in.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Artsplash is organised by Electronic Cafe, Capital Discovery
Place, with assistance of the Wellington City Council.

Contact Glen Stanley, Phone +64-4-801-3908 Fax +64-4-801-3909
Stanley_G@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz



--
rich@tosh.wcc.govt.nz (Richard Naylor )
From: hamish@waikato.ac.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re:  Parlimentary Fire Sale (Was: Happy Guy Fawkes Day!)
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:22:03 +1200
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

In article <zoltar.03pm@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz>, zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant `Zoltar' Thoms) writes:
> In article <1992Jul27.204626.21741@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz> russell@ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz (Russell Fulton) writes:
>>zoltar@glasgow.amigans.gen.nz (Grant Thoms) writes:

>>I think that it is important to preserve important pieces of the our past.
>>The other side of the issue is that the $100 million will end up in peoples
>>pockets just as surely as if it had been allocated to Social Welfare. (I
> 
> But it would be doing so much more good being in peoples pockets rather
> than on show to impress overseas visitors.
>

Yeah right. Lets give it away to beneficiaries for them to stand around doing
nothing instead of keeping some of them employed still and earning the money.
Real neat economic sense you have there. Ever thought of running for parliment?
You could grab one of the alliance seats. It sounds like something they'd think
of.

> Cheers,
> Grant..
>
 
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From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: a test - please ignore
Organization: DSIR, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 04:58:09 GMT

see subject
Newsgroups: nz.general
From: Mary.Curtin@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: Letter from Auckland university
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 11:32:46 GMT

In an article posted to nz.netstatus, jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:

>  I today received the most offencive letter ever from any SERVICE
>  organisation signed by a J.D.Luff, it read as follows ...

   (contents deleted)

>  To be sent such a letter by somebody called J.D.Luff who signs a letter
>  yours faithfully and does not even bother to address it to me nor identify
>  their gender. Why I for some am personally affronted. 

I have no opinion about contents/reasonableness etc of the letter.

But:

1  'Yours faithfully' is the standard salutation to use when writing in
   an impersonal way (eg to someone who you're never met).  'Yours 
   sincerely' on such a letter would, however, be inappropriate.

2  In expecting anyone who writes you a letter to give their gender,
   you are, IMHO, WAY out of line.  The gender of a person who is in a
   job which means you do business with them is totally irrelevant.  

   Or would you cede gracefully to such an order if it were given by a
   male, but not want to do so if the author were female?  (What's the
   symbol for a sarcastic, ie not friendly, smiley?)

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Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Email privacy ???
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:47:29 GMT
Organization: Z*NET Global News Gateway in Auckland New Zealand

mosko@matai.vuw.ac.nz writes:

> Is anyone aware of the legal status of the right to privacy in email
> communications in New Zealand?  Can any postmaster legally read my
> incoming or outgoing email?
> 
> David Moskovitz
> ELI
> Victoria University of Wellington
> mosko@matai.vuw.ac.nz

 On my site YES I can. Please read my earlier post.

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From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: Email privacy ???
Date: 30 Jul 92 18:37:21 PST
Organization: TAP, NZAmigaUG

Quoted from <Bs6MFz.LJ9@comp.vuw.ac.nz> by brian@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Brian Boutel):

> But it's a bit far-fetched to assert that "E-mail is private, always and
> forever". Is email privacy an inalienable, universal human right, along with the
> right to life and all those other important things? Or is its significance being
> just a little exagerated here?

> Commissioner, which touched on this. Mostly he listed topics that needed to be
> addressed,  not ready-made solutions.

    Also, if you want private email, encrypt it! Where can you buy the
    encryption software? Me! :)

> --brian
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Newsgroups: nz.general
From: hamilton@peponi.wcc.govt.nz (Michael Hamilton)
Subject: Re: Good Kit (was Students and Hunter Gatherers)
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wellington, NZ
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 09:39:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul20.052020.19921@rata.vuw.ac.nz> don@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Don Stokes) writes:
>Most managers haven't read the studies on productivity enhancements resulting
>from personal workstation computing, or choose to ignore them.  They are 
>usually trained in some other field, or at least in a different environment.

Actually I posted to some of the windowing and software engineering
groups, asking for references to recent studies QUANTIFYING
productivity gains that modern windowing environments might provide.
I was hoping to justify the purchase of some X-terminals.  I received
only one reference to a very old paper (and even that was vague).
Most justification seems to be along the lines that things are
self-evident.  Given that I was was trying to convince some O.R.
types, this kind or argument didn't go down too well.

I think a big part of the problem is that there isn't funding for
large capital outlays in this economic climate.  The only large sum
you are likely to get will be to patch up the dam which is about to
burst, eg average response has risen to above 30 seconds, and users
are talking about replacing there terminals with 386sx's.

-- 
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2199, Wellington, New Zealand.  Phone: (64) (4)801-3300  FAX: (64) (4)801-3020
Domain: hamilton@csc.wcc.govt.nz          PSImail: PSI%0530147000090::HAMILTON
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: CFD: nz.decus
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 18:46:14 GMT
Organization: Z*NET Global News Gateway in Auckland New Zealand

don@rata.vuw.ac.nz (Don Stokes) writes:

> While I've got DECUS things on my mind....
> 
> Is there any objection to setting up a newsgroup for DECUS NZ, which 
> became a chapter in its own right this year?  
> 
 
 While on the subject of NZ news groups. How about we set up one for the 
 Z*NET Magazine ie NZ.ZNET where we can release a whole issue for general
 viewing rather than in email or on FTP from the site our site here 
 supply?
 
 So what do you think ?

 Jon Clarke               (Z*NET FNET now in FIDO)                HSBC NZM EBD
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Newsgroups: nz.general
From: andy.linton@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Linton)
Subject: Re: CFD: nz.decus
Organization: Dept of Comp Science, Victoria Uni, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 21:46:54 GMT


In article <1992Jul27.201818.1924@zl2tnm.gen.nz>, don@zl2tnm.gen.nz writes:
|> gnat@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Nathan Torkington) writes:
|> > Yes - could you say why a mailing-list is insufficient or undesirable?
|> 
|> Nat, Are you blind, illiterate, lazy or what?  If you read back into the 
|> thread.... (and it hasn't expired, at least on Rata)

I've read back into the thread and I don't see a reason for a group here either.

A mailing list looks fine to me with a copy posted into nz.comp and/or
nz.general. Those who read the groups don't need to be on the mailing list.

I'll vote NO!