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From: kmews@minnie.imd.nrc.ca
Subject: Re: How Bad Is...?
Organization: NRC-Institute for Marine Dynamics
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:53:07 GMT

In article <57519@olivea.atc.olivetti.com>, rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:
> In article <1993Jan7.181844.3794@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> fvaughn@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Frederick Vaughn) writes:
>>How bad an owner/executive/all-that is Bill Bidwill? Explain.
> 
> About as bad as is possible. He consistently has contract problems with
> players, he consistently has annoyed fans, he has consistently blamed
> the teams fortunes on the coach without looking at himself and the front
> office. 

Is there any hope of him selling the team soon? Is he getting old?

KM
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:38:43 GMT
Subject: Re: Random Dallas THoughts
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro

/ hpcc01:rec.sport.football.pro / cwalker@Pterodactyl.scg.hac.com (Clint Walker) /  4:11 pm  Jan 11, 1993 /
It is very nice to see Dallas return to NFC Championship Game after such
a long absence (at least by Dallas standards).  This was Jimmy J.'s stated
goal from the beginning of the year.  I hope that the team now exceeds his
goal.

One thin that disturbs me about the current Cowboys is some of the 
classless displays that they are allowed to make after big plays,
Landry would not have tolerated in his days.  Actually, the only player 
that bothers me is Kenneth Gant.  His "dance" is more of a taunting 
nature than celebratory.  I don't mind enthusiastic celebration, but the
trash talking and taunting has got to go.

Clint Walker                           cwalker@hac2arpa.hac.com
----------
It certainly is good to see the Cowboys back in the NFC Championship
game for the first time since they lost to the Redskins at RFK the
year after they lost to 49ers. I recall Danny White crying in that  
game...either due to some injury or broken hearted, can't recall.

The 1981 Cowboys were completely different from this 1992 Cowboy team.
For one thing, the '81 team was loaded with arrogant players while the
'92 team seemingly shows more class except for Gant, of course. Tony
Dorsett and Emmitt Smith are the opposites as RBs and personalities
as are Michael Irving and Butch Johnson. A whole different team that
just happens to wear the Cowboy uniform.

Ditto for Niners, except for Joe Montana, as they're also loaded with
new faces like the Cowboys. 49ers have more older players though, but
it remains to be seen if experience offsets youth in this game. 

Overall, the '92 49ers are a much more potent team than the '81 49ers
while the '92 Cowboys don't have that awesome front four of Jones,
Dutton (didn't play, used Beatha(?), White and Martin nor the experience
of White, Dorsett, Johnson and company. 

Unlike the '81 Cowboys, the '92 49ers are anything but arrogant nor are
they a *creaking battleship* (as reported by SI on the '81 Cowboys) and
are very determined to reach the Super Bowl especially since they've
paid their dues (Roger Craig fumble cost them shot at SB in '90 season)
and Steve Young is 15-1 (Bono 0-1) this season with 3 point loss to
Buffalo Bills thanks to 49ers defense which had yet to jell. 

It could be a tight game or it might be a blowout. Who knows, but it
ought to make for one hell of an exciting game! 

I'll take 49ers by 10. Odds currently have 49ers 4 1/2 over Cowboys. 

We'll probably see 49ers vs Miami II in Super Bowl. I feel that the
Buffalo Bills had two chances to win it all, but they blew it both
times so it's time for another AFC team to give it a shot. 

Graeme Harrison
San Jose, CA
NINERS DRIVE FOR FIVE


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From: stailey@bugs.comm.mot.com (Mike Stailey)
Subject: Re: Bears Rumour
Reply-To: stailey@comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola LMPS Research, Schaumburg, IL
Distribution: rec.sport.football.pro
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:57:02 GMT

(Satish Nair) writes:

*Is there any truth to the rumour that Vince Tobin took his name off the
*list of head coach candidates for Da Bears because he'd been getting death
*threats all week long??  

 Not quite... although the thought of having to put up with
 the sports media in Chicago would be cause enough to make a
 guy think twice about it.

 --
 Michael                      
 stailey@comm.mot.com     


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From: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Subject: Re: Randall Cunningham Sucks
Reply-To: pajerek@telstar.kodak.com (Don Pajerek)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corp. - Telstar
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:49:33 GMT

In article <104376@netnews.upenn.edu> nlatif@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Wolverine) writes:
>In article <your-email-addr-110193151927@microlab10.med.upenn.edu> your-email-addr@a1.mscf.upenn.edu (Ed Rendell) writes:
>>
>>Randall really sucks giant donkey dick.  He should spend less time trying
>
>No he does not!!  He's a great QB.  A great QB will look awful if the O line
>sucks!!

I'm not an Eagles fan, and therefore should be able to make a more objective
evaluation of Cunningham. At this point, it's starting to look like Cunningham
is a player who seems to have a lot of potential, and who occasionally makes
an amazing play, but you clearly is not delivering the goods in the clutch.
There are a lot of QB's with less raw athletic talent who nevertheless have
outperformed Cunningham when it counts. Examples: Phil Simms, Jim McMahon.

Say what you want about the offensive line, but some QB's manage to get the
job done even when the OL isn't doing very well. Example: John Elway.

The Eagles have bet the franchise on Cunningham, and I'm afraid he's not
going to come through for them.


Don Pajerek

Standard disclaimers apply.
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From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: Re: All this America's team nonsense.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 15:57:27 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

sivaram@plains.NoDak.edu (S. Hariharan ) writes:

>I hear that the Boys are going to be featured on Wheaties for
>winning the NFC-East!!!. Give me a break. 

According to a previous article:

	>won the NFC East title.  The distribution will be in the Dallas
	>area only, and if they go to the big show they will be sold on

>All this America's team crap is an insult to fans of other teams.

If this is for Dallas distribution only, WHAT THE HELL DOES IT HAVE TO
DO WITH AMERICAS TEAM.

The last time I checked, the Dallas in "Dallas Cowboys" stands for
Dallas Texas.

				-Ron

>Being a die-hard Viking fan, I take personal insult and any true
>fan of other teams will agree with me.  

I don't buy wheaties, but I know I've seen other NFL players on the box.
If Cunningham were on the box, it wouldn't insult me, especially if it
were only distributed in Philly.

>S.H
>NOTHING BETTER THAN GANG GREEN BEATING THE HELL OUT OF THE
>OVERRATED BOYS!!!
 ^^^^^^^^^

 A matter of opinion.  We are both biased, so I won't counter that opinion,
 I'll let that be decided on the field.

				-Ron

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From: douthit@convex.com (Ronnie Douthit)
Subject: Re: Thoughts and predictions?????
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:34:33 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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kmelcher@rafael.Arco.COM (Kenneth Melcher) writes:
>While it's true that Dallas has many weapons,  the Philly Defense is now health> ier and playing better than at any time sine the first Cowboy game.  

I'll give you this one, we'll have to wait and see.

>You're overlooking the fact that worn-down Saints defenders are still probably >better than fresh Cowboys defenders.  

You are probably right here, but I think freshness and a better coaching staff
could overcome this.  There was no secret what the Eagles were doing in the
second half... run left, run left, run center, run left ... Yet the coaching
staff or players never made an adjustment to force the Eagle to run to
their weaker side.  

>>   3) Dallas will be rested, Philly will be tired. 
>Do you really believe this will be a factor in an adrenalin-packed grudge match?

Ok, Philly has adrenalin, but that won't last if the Cowboys get ahead.
Cowboys have rest, adrenalin and the crowd to generate more adrenalin.  That is
why I think it could be a factor.  If the Cowboys get an early lead, there  
will be no fans to cheer the Eagles on, like the Bills had.

>>   4) The fans and the players will be PUMPED.
>This goes both ways...  The Eagles are riding an emotional high right now and are playing at a very high level.

There won't be many fans wearing green in Texas Stadium.

			-Ron
From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Eagles Victory...
Date: 6 Jan 93 13:13:13 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

In article <103730@netnews.upenn.edu>, sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Saj
ja) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.144128.39893@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Ga
il A. Fullman) writes:
>>In article <103612@netnews.upenn.edu>, sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  S
aj
>>ja) writes:
>>>
>>Did Randall's fiance make the trip to NO with the team?  All's right with the
>>world when you're in love.
>
>hey gail, I can live with the fact that randall's fiancee being in NO will
>win the game for the eagles. It is actually surprising that there is somebody
>besides me who did come close to noticing the fact that he is doing very well
>since announcing his marriage. I hope he doesnt break up with her before
>this sunday!!!
>
>>------------------------
>>|   Gail A. Fullman    |
>>|   Manager - ADMO     |
>>|   Ext. 83113         |
>>------------------------
>
>
>-Rajeev
>A Scrambling "Bring It Home For Jerome" Eagle Fan..
>hey, vintage 1990 randall is back...
>GO EAGLES....
>
Maybe they have a happy love life for the remainder of Randall's carreer with
the Eagles!
-- 

------------------------
|   Gail A. Fullman    |
|   Manager - ADMO     |
|   Ext. 83113         |
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From: scott@ne3005.reston.ingr.com (Scott Gentry)
Subject: Re: 49ers/Redskins
Organization: Intergraph Corp., Reston, VA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:56:50 GMT

mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:


>Almost certainly a mud bowl.  I don't know whether it's better for the 
>Skins or not, though.  Last night, some of the more informed SF sports
>commentators (Wayne Walker for one) were speculating that foul weather
>might work against the Skins, who are a smaller, more speed-oriented
>team than the Hawgs made famous.  According to Wayne, the Skins need
>a dry, fast surface to get the offense going.

Wayne Walker doesn't know what he's talking about.  The 'skins line
is HUGE, still.  Their backs are small, but heavy.  The only "small"
people on the Redskin offense are the Posse.  BTW, RFK is grass and
it gets messy there, too.  The 'skins practice outside, so that's another
strike agains Wayne Walker.  

>In any event, it shouldn't work against the Niners -- just give the 
>ball to Rathman and Jones more.

It doesn't work against the 'skins either.  The only thing working against
the 'skins in this game is the crowd.  Other than that, I'd say the game
is pretty even -- even though the odds makers don't agree.

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From: Adriene_Nazaretian@QM.cis.YALE.EDU (ALN - Go Giants!)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: NFC Playoffs show restructure necessary?
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:51:36 GMT
Organization: Yale University

In article <1993Jan6.131549.45577@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman) writes:
>From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)
>Subject: Re: NFC Playoffs show restructure necessary?
>Date: 6 Jan 93 13:15:49 GMT
>In article <1ichg9INNkm4@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, fins@radgumbo.Eng.Sun.COM (Rich S
>chiavi) writes:
>>With 3 of the 4 final teams coming from the NFC East (which seems to
>>be a fairly frequent occurance. . ) has anyone heard any talk of
>>restructuring the conferences the way they should be.  I.E. Dallas
>>and New Orleans should be in the Central. Phoenix in the West.
>>Tampa Bay and Atlanta in the East.  I think that about covers it.
>>The Niners will still have no talent to go against swapping Phoenix
>>for New Orleans, but it does beef up the Central and tame the East a bit.
>>

Yeah, restructure the rest of the teams so they can compete with NFC East, 
the niners and the saints!  :-)

hahahaha.....  Flame suit on today kiddies!  So dont bother!

NFC East is the BEST!
ALN (Go Giants in 93)
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From: schnitzi@cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)
Subject: Latest Hamish diagnosis
Organization: University of Central Florida
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:41:24 GMT

Woozy from oil fumes.

--mark
From: mgleason@cse.unl.edu (Mike Gleason)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Bledsoe to the NFL
Date: 6 Jan 1993 06:01:49 GMT
Organization: NCEMRSoft
Distribution: world
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lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:

|Whoa!  Lincoln Kennedy, the OT from Washington could well be the first
|offensive player taken if this mad dash for the QBs doesn't happen.  I
|see him going in the top six picks.  

I wouldn't waste a #1 or #2 pick on him.  I think he's overrated anyway,
and apparently the Outland Trophy folks do too because he didn't win it.
I'm glad they saw through the shameless marketing that UW was doing (you
know, the cute little presidents thing).  He's still going to be a top ten
pick though.  A more likely thing (but I'm no Mel Kiper Jr.) is if a team
has no need for the glamour players, they could trade down and pick him
later.  N.E. could still use some OL help, they could swap picks with
a team picking 7th or so to pick Kennedy or William Washington.

P.S.  I heard a rumor that if New England picks Drew Bledsoe first, Seattle
is going to pick the All-American punter from Nebraska, Mike Stigge, as the
#2 pick overall ;-) ;-) ;-)

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From: bsmith@osf.org ()
Subject: Ben Dreith
Originator: bsmith@crustacean
Organization: Open Software Foundation
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:04:44 GMT

Patriots fans from the late 1970's might be interested to know that "Ben Dreith,
67, a former NFL referee who claimed he was inappropriately fired because of
his age, has accepted a $165,000 settlement." (from the Boston Globe, 1/6/93)

Anyone who followed the Pats (or the Raiders) in...um...1976? will no doubt
remember the AFC championship game stolen from the Pats by the notorious
Dreith. Yes, I know Raider fans have a different view of that day. Although
the names of most of the players escape me, I believe it was DL Ray Hamilton
who got called for Roughing the Passer by Dreith, just as it seemed the
Pats had stopped the Raiders on 4th down very deep in Pats territory, near the
end of the game.

Given new life by the bogus call, the Raiders went on to win the game and
then thrash the Vikings in the SB. Pats fans who remember the incident will
probably agree that Dreith should not only forfeit his $165k, but that he also
should be forced to spend the rest of his years cleaning the bathrooms at
Foxboro Stadium.

The alleged late hit by Hamilton was far less egregious than some not called
even with the current, stricter rules. For example, the controversial penalty
called against the Bills Bruce Smith in the Bills-Oilers game seemed much
more plausible then the one called on the Pats. I say this by way of comparison,
not because I think Smith deserved the penalty. In fact, although both my
brother and I were unwavering in our support of the Oilers, right to the bitter
end, we agreed that the Bills had been screwed on that particular call. 

Bruce Smith

Organization: Senior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon,  4 Jan 1993 15:55:15 -0500 
From: Vernon H Harmon <vh00+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Playoff thoughts....

Here's a thought:

In the AFC, the revenge factor is taking effect.
In the NFC, the streak factor is taking effect.

Here's what I mean:

SD lost their last game against KC--but beat them in the playoffs.
Buffalo lost their last game against Houston--but beat them this time.
Minnesota lost to Washington last time--and did again.
New Orleans lost to Philly last time--and did again.

So what does that bode for next week and the rest of the playoffs?

SD@Miami--no game played this year.
Buffalo@Pittsburgh--Pittsburgh lost last time.
Washington@SF--no game this year.
Philadelphia@Dallas--Dallas won the last time.

So by the above theory, Dallas and Pittsburgh should win and the other
two are toss-ups.
My guess is that SD will avenge their loss in the "greatest game ever
played"(tm) and Washington will pull off the surprise upset (Washington
beat Buffalo, Buffalo beat SF, so the streak would be Washington over
SF).

That would make the championship games:
SD@Pittsburgh--SD lost last time.
Washington@Dallas--Washington won last time.

Once again using the above theory, it would be SD vs. Washington in the SB.

All bets are off then... :D

--Vernon.
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From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami)
Subject: Bono knows?
Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:58:51 GMT

>>Many people think Steve Bono would have done
>>just as good a job as Young. I'm not saying that's true (no one will ever
>>know)
>
>I agree Bono would have done an equally good job, but [...]

Excuse me, but didn't Bono step in when the Young was sick in the
Phoenix game and did so great that the Niners lost 14-24?  It
certainly was their lowest scoring game of the year.

Please, somebody post Bono's wonderful stats to support the theory
that he "would have done just as good a job as Young."


--Gidi

From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:33:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Thank God for the Niner DEFENSE
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
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Young sucked.  But it was his first playoff appearance as THE SF QB.  The
wet weather may have been a factor as well.  Lets wait and see how much
Young matured during this game before we put him on the cross.  Joe has
played his last game for SF unless there is an injury.

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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: My NFL Playoff Predictions
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 17:12:58 GMT

In article <_!92fl@rpi.edu> root@june.cmp.rpi.edu (J.R. Ordon) writes:

>Let's face it, the Chargers play in a pussy division, even the NFC Central
>is better, and if you really want to compare Humphries and crew with 
>Marino and his bunch, go ahead, the only people that would pick the
>SD crew would be Charger fans.
>
>The ONLY real advantage the Chargers have is defense, the 2 teams may tie
>on running games, but that's it. Defense, in most cases, 
>wins championships. The last Steeler SB victory is an example of a 
>great offense winning it, their defense was average, but the offense
>was superb.
>

I don't know about their division and I haven't seen the chargers
enough to judge how worthy they are. However I did, just last year,
watch them come back against the Fins, in the forth quarter,  and help
knock them out of the playoffs. I also know that for the longest time
the Chargers (along with the Raiders) were one of the few teams that
had a winning record against the Fins. I hope the Fins remember that
game last year and come out with revenge on their minds and a
willingness to play the entire sixty minutes of football. If they're
not ready they are going to lose again.

The Fins have been so strange
this year. I don't see a single team in the playoffs that could beat
the Fins if they are having a good day. On the other hand, I don't see
a single team the Fins could beat if they are having even a mediocre
day let alone a bad one.

The chargers aren't going to roll over and
die and Arnsbarger is probably going to get his troops just a little
pumped up don't you think?

I just want to see a good game. I don't
want to see another totally heartless losing effort that the Fins are
so capable of. 

Tony (go san diego) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
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From: beegle@ftp.phy.uab.edu (BadSpeller!)
Subject: Re: Bills 24, Steelers 3
Organization: University of Alabama at Birmingham
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 06:16:14 GMT

In article <C0LsxI.7FE@acsu.buffalo.edu> kist@acsu.buffalo.edu (james e kist) writes:
>The Bills win another one and become only the second team to play in the
>AFC Championship game three years in a row (Raiders were the first). Thanks
>to all of you who picked the Steelers to win this one. Make sure you pick
>the Bills to lose next week. JPG, you're wrong two weeks in a row. Go for
>three!
>--Jim

If Miami played in 3 stright superbowls then shouldn't they have played
in three straight AFC Championship games?

Just wondering.....

GO EAGLES!

Eagles 27
Dallas 17
-- 
Luke

	"I don't feel so good."	
				Last words of Luther Burbank
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From: eric@abode.ttank.com (Eric C. Bennett)
Subject: Playoff Football Pool
Organization: Abode Computer Systems
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 02:33:31 GMT

I for one am glad there was NOT a playoff football pool on the net (i.e. Dave
Wood's football pool). So far I would have been 0-4. I would have picked the
following:

Kansas City over San Diego
New Orleans over Philly
Houston over Buffalo
Minnesota over Washington

And to top it all off, I would have picked the Hurricanes of Miami over the
Alabama Crimson Tide. All in all I haven't had a very good last few days. I am
glad I don't bet on sports otherwise I would be in big trouble.

Now I have to hope that Washington beats the 49'rs (doubtful, but with all of
the above happening you never know) and the Cowboys beat the Saints and then
the NFC Championship game would be at Texas Stadium. There are no sure things
though. The Cowboys are very capable of beating the Eagles-especially at Texas
Stadium. One thing I am worried about is the bye week. Hopefully the Cowboys
will be up for it. After watching them play that meaningless game at home
against the Bears I am beginning to wonder. I can understand why that didn't
have a lot of output though. I don't get a lot of Cowboy games here in So.
California and it was hard for me to watch the Cowboys play in a meaningless
game.

Anyway... go COWBOYS. Go REDSKINS (I can't believe I would even say that!).

Eric

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