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From: knott@sfu.ca (Dave Knott)
Subject: Re: James Brown/Bowie question
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:03:29 GMT

In article <1993Jan3.034028.10960@bradley.bradley.edu>  
pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
> In <1993Jan3.012553.10954@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>  
jwlr@escher.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) writes:
> >dafer@owlnet.rice.edu (Daryl Anderson Foster) writes:
> >>I just got the "Star Time" box set of James Brown music.  I was
> >>suprised to find a song called "Hot (I Need to be Loved, Loved,
> >>Loved)".  The curious thing about this track is that much of the
> >>backing music is exactly the same as David Bowie's "Fame".  Does
> >>anyone know the story about this?  According to the notes in "Star
> >>Time" "Hot" was recorded in 1975.  I believe that this was before
> >>Bowie did "Fame".
> >Nope. "Fame" was recorded in 1975.
> >More info on this subject would be welcome, tho.
> 
> According to ChangesBowie, Fame was recorded in February of '75
> and released in August.  According to Star Time, Hot was recorded
> in September-October '75, and released in December.  I've listened
> to them, and played them for some friends, and we all agree that the
> two instrumental tracks are identical as far as we can tell (though
> the version of Fame on ChangesBowie has been remixed).  It's also
> interesting to note that this is the only track from Star Time that
> has "unidentified accompaniment"--all the others have the musicians
> clearly identified.
> 
> I wonder if James didn't borrow the backing track from Bowie, with
> permission of course....
> -- 
> Pete Hartman		       Bradley University	 
pwh@bradley.bradley.edu
>                            don't feed the creepsters



It's also interesting to note that not only are the backing musicians for  
"Hot" not identified in the Star Time booklet, but JB is the only person  
given writing credits for the thing. Also, given that "Fame" was released  
before "Hot" was recorded, I think that James probably got the all of the  
music (except for the the horn section) by either copying or sampling from  
"Fame" and just adding his own vocals.

Dave Knott
KNOTT@SFU.CA
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From: emiel@kub.nl (Emiel Krahmer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky,rec.music.misc
Subject: DON GARDNER - My baby likes to boogaloo
Date: 6 Jan 93 09:20:21 GMT
Organization: Tilburg University, Tilburg, The Netherlands

On `Shakin' fit', a recent collection of obscure R&B from the first
part of the sixties (I guess) on Candy records, there is a song called
`My baby likes to boogaloo' by Don Gardner. It sounds like very raw,
very elementary funk; one rhythm, one sax-riff, very prominent
syncopating bassline.  Really very good! 

Is there someone who can tell me more about this Don Gardner? In
particular, did he make more records, and when did he make them? Had
he heard funk-pioneers like Dyke and the blazers and James Brown
before he cut his sides?

Thanks,
From: aoaass@registry.adelaide.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: IMHO
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:40:47 ACST
Organization: Office of the Registry, University of Adelaide
NNTP-Posting-Host: admin.registry.adelaide.edu.au

Picked up a couple of albums yesterday; 'Tighten Up' by Loose Ends and 'No
Money, No Honey' by new US act Po Broke an Lonely. The Loose Ends albums
feature a lot of remixes which I honestly think are wack. Being a Loose Neds
fan from the mid-80's, to see how some of the songs have been butchered in an
attempt to sell old songs all over again really gives me the shits. Found it
interesting that many of the songs done in more recent times has had a real
funky mid - 70's Marvin Gaye feel to them. However their songs produced by Nick
Martinelli really lose out on their original feel becuase of the attempt to
make them have a more 90's dance friendly feel. It's the tyranny of the drum
machine.

tThe Po Broke an Lonely albums really surprised me. The only reason I bought it
was because Dr Dre and Easy E were executive producers. Given the good vibes I
had about the Michell'e album, ithought i would give it a try. Check it out.
It's raw, funky and deliberately underproduced. Great music for the homies to
relax and put up their jimmies to. The fact that the vocals are rough and the
harmonies at times come out of leftfield quite imprress me. Not Bobby Brown or
gingany of that mainstream new jack swing but raw, loose and swinging with a
definite hiphop feel to it.
Choc Freak
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
From: d06448@tanus.oz.au (Argyrios Karavis)
Subject: Bowie @ James Brown
Organization: Pro-Net Australia
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 10:35:05 GMT

The story about 'Hot' and 'Fame' goes something like this. Carlos Alomar, who
was pulled in by Bowie for the recording of YOUNG AMERICANS had come off a
stint with James brown before the recording sessions. If I am correct Alomar
may have been involved in the recording of 'Hot' as well as 'Fame'. With Bowie
going soulful he decided to use the basic riff from 'Hot' for the song.

Choc Freak

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From: chris@Minsk.DoCS.UU.SE (Christian Bartholdsson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: Swing Out ...
Keywords: video, Billboard #
Date: 9 Jan 93 12:39:48 GMT
Organization: Uppsala University
NNTP-Posting-Host: minsk.docs.uu.se

In article <1993Jan8.231635.1689@news2.cis.umn.edu>, canete@barnacle.micro.umn.edu (Jose Jacala Canete) writes:
> Guys, I was just wondering, did Swing Out Sister ever release a video
> for the song "Am I the Same Girl" ?  I haven't seen anything so far.

They sure did.  I've seen it loads of times on MTV Europe.  I think they
made it in Mexico.

> But come to think of it, I don't think they had any video for songs
> from the Kaleidoscope World CD.

Wrong again.  I've got a video collection at home with 6-7 songs from
"Kaleidoscope...".  They even made videos for songs that weren't released
as singles.

- chris@minsk.docs.uu.se
From: chuck@ssc.space.umn.edu (Chuck Tomlinson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: boxed sets
Date: 4 Jan 93 17:07:43 GMT
Organization: Space Science Graphics/U of M
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In article <C0B8CK.9DH@world.std.com> Bryan L Sells, bsells@world.std.com
writes:
>I just got the "Hitsville, U.S.A." Motown boxed set for Christmas.  It's
very 
>good.  And it got me wondering...
>
>Are there corresponding boxed sets for any of the OTHER giant record
companies 
>of the founders of the funk era - Atlantic?  Philly International?  Stax?


Absolutely!

The massive boxed set of Stax singles releases is as comprehensive as
anybody could ever ask for. If you've got box-set fever and the money to
do it, buy it w/o hesitation.

And just recently, Rhino records has begun releasing anthologies of major
names from Atlantic's roster. Look for them.

chuck
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky,rec.music.videos
From: koex0001@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: Madonna's New Vids
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 15:22:55 GMT

Latest news on Madonna's new videos. According to various sources, Madonna
will be releasing 2 songs simultaneously, "Bad Girl", and "Fever". No news
as to when.

The Bad Girl video will be directed by Tim "Batman" Burton, and will be
the world's first 3-D music video. Fever will be directed by "Interview"
photographer Ellen von Unswerth.

This week, to coincide with the Body of Evidence release, madonna will be
appearing Wednesday on Entertainment Tonight, Thursday at 10 Eastern on
MTV for an hour-long interview followed by her Blonde Ambition tour,
Friday on MTV's Big Picture at 7:30 Eastern, and on Saturday Night Live
with host Harvey Keitel (1/16/93) where she'll perform 2 songs and
probably be in a couple of skits. Some say she'll also be on Good Morning
America on either Thursday or Friday.
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From: mcmahon@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael G. McMahon)
Subject: ZAPP
Organization: Rice University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 05:07:48 GMT


So what can you tell me about Zapp?  I picked up Zapp V in the cut-out
bins over the holidays.  It's all that and a cool bass line.

Did Roger and Larry Troutman start Zapp, or ARE they Zapp?  Did they
have a falling out with George Clinton et al?  Thanks.

Peace.  -mike
-- 
There is a level of cowardice lower than that of the conformist:
  the fashionable non-conformist.   -ayn rand
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Re: James Brown/Bowie question (Fame vs. Hot) 
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:10:50 GMT

pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman) writes:
>>More info on this subject would be welcome, tho.

>According to ChangesBowie, Fame was recorded in February of '75
>and released in August.  According to Star Time, Hot was recorded
>in September-October '75, and released in December.  I've listened
>to them, and played them for some friends, and we all agree that the
>two instrumental tracks are identical as far as we can tell (though
>the version of Fame on ChangesBowie has been remixed).  It's also
>interesting to note that this is the only track from Star Time that
>has "unidentified accompaniment"--all the others have the musicians
>clearly identified.

Thanks for the info - I'd always wondered abnout this since I first heard
the JB track a few years ago and I was always curious about the dates
and which came first. I'd agree with the guess that JB borrowed it from
Bowie (and wasn't the song co-written by John Lennon?) though it seems 
very curious that the same tune would gt released with two different
artists and two sets of lyrics, both released within a couple of months. 
of each other. Strange, especially with a song that I think was quite a 
hit for Bowie. I'd love to hear a good dj do a cut and splice mix of the 
two version that trades off JB and Bowie singing different verses...  

  - Malcolm 
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky,rec.music.misc
From: jil@uts.uucp (Jamie Lubin)
Subject: Re: DON GARDNER - My baby likes to boogaloo
Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway, NJ
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 15:18:27 GMT
Followup-To: jil@donuts0.bellcore.com

In article <1993Jan06.092021.1313@kub.nl> emiel@kub.nl (Emiel Krahmer) writes:
>On `Shakin' fit', a recent collection of obscure R&B from the first
>part of the sixties (I guess) on Candy records, there is a song called
>`My baby likes to boogaloo' by Don Gardner. It sounds like very raw,
>very elementary funk; one rhythm, one sax-riff, very prominent
>syncopating bassline.  Really very good! 
>
>Is there someone who can tell me more about this Don Gardner? In
>particular, did he make more records, and when did he make them? Had
>he heard funk-pioneers like Dyke and the blazers and James Brown
>before he cut his sides?
>
>Thanks,

He (w/ Dee Dee Ford) had a top 20 hit with "I Need Your Loving"--I hear it
occasionally.
From: jwlr@monet.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
Subject: Re: boxed sets
Keywords: Motown, Stax, Atlantic, Philly International, CD's, boxed sets
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:41:57 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

bsells@world.std.com (Bryan L Sells) writes:

>I just got the "Hitsville, U.S.A." Motown boxed set for Christmas.  It's very 
>good.  And it got me wondering...

>Are there corresponding boxed sets for any of the OTHER giant record companies 
>of the founders of the funk era - Atlantic?  Philly International?  Stax?

Yes. There is a collection of *every* Stax single out on a multi-disc package.
It's big (I think about 10 discs, but i could be wrong) and includes everything
(apparently including some lesser tunes).

I don't know about the others tho'.

						Jamesa Willer
[any opinions above are copyrighted by me and may only be used with permission]
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Subject: Double Bass for Sale
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 16:21:00 +0000

Subject: Double Bass for Sale
=============================

[For UK post only: Sorry my mailer can't automatically do UK 
distribution posts.]


3/4 size Double Bass for sale. Blonde, carved Zeller model, includes 
soft case. A-mazing sound, but sadly I'm moving to smaller premises 
that only allow for my bass guitars.

Two years old, never gigged, never left my house and it's in 
absolutely pristine condition. Cost #670. Want to sell for #550 
o.n.o.

Please don't follow up in this newsgroup, please Email me for more 
information and I'll post you my telephone number if you';re 
interested.

Thank you

Clive Grace
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
From: BLEDSOEA@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu ()
Subject: Chilli Pepper Tapes ID Please
Organization: Vanderbilt University
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:24:47 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24

A friend of mine just gave me some tapes of two RHCP cds.  He
didn't knoiw the date and location of  the shows that were on
them.  The titles were Tokyo Tattoo and X-mas 91.  Can
anyone id the dates and venue for me?
thanks
erik
.
Newsgroups: rec.music.funky
From: koex0001@student.tc.umn.edu ()
Subject: SwingOutSister
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 13:57:09 GMT

SOS have released their second single from their latest album. I can't
remember what the title was, but something like "Nothing's Gonna Change"
(I could be entirely off the track here, as far as the title goes, but the
song is definitely out). Saw a preview of it on VH1's Top 21 as one of the
"you-dial-it-we'll-play-it" deals.
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From: geoff@tyger.East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Re: Windham Hill's "Soul of the Machine"
Date: 7 Jan 93 14:52:52 GMT
Reply-To: geoff@tyger.East.Sun.COM
Organization: SunSelect
NNTP-Posting-Host: tyger.east.sun.com

In article 726180383@vincent1.iastate.edu, freshair@iastate.edu (James W Gregory) writes:
##Also, has anyone heard Colin Chen's (sp.?)
##album on the Narada label?  Any opinions?  

If you have the Narada compilation #2 (I think) and "Soul of the Machine",
you've got the best bits of Colin Chen. His piece (?pieces - I forget)
from "Soul" are also on his Narada album. It's one of the few forgettable
releases from Narada, IMHO.

---
Geoff Arnold, PC-NFS architect, Sun Select. (geoff.arnold@East.Sun.COM)
From: yedid@CAM.ORG (Gabriel Yedid)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Who's the MC on Tubular Bells 2?
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:00:15 GMT
Organization: Champlain Regional College, St-Lambert QC  CANADA


     The guy who reads off the names of the instruments/sound effects/
samples on Tubular Bells (1) is identified as Viv Stanshall.  On TB2, how
-ever, the "Master of Ceremonies" is identified only as "A strolling 
player".  His voice is similar to, but not identical, to Stanshall's.
Upon closer listening, it sounds suspiciously like Alan Rickman.  Can
anyone either disprove or support this?
Thanks,
>
>
Gabe Yedid (yedid@champlain.cam.org)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
From: jsturges@iastate.edu (Jason L Sturges)
Subject: Sending music to New Age radio stations??
Summary: Any radio stations do this?
Keywords: radio, compositions, contributing
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 22:52:41 GMT

 Hello.  I was wondering if anyone knew of a radio show(s)  of New Age music
to which a composer might be able  to send in examples of what they've  done
to, say, promote themselves and get their music into the public?  I'm almost
positive I've  heard at least  one radio  station do this, but  I don't know 
which, and don't have access to a lot of these shows.

 Can anyone help me out with suggested shows and, possibly, addresses to
send to?

 Thanks very much for your time.

							--Jason Sturges
							  jsturges@iastate.edu
From: agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Re: Sending music to New Age radio stations??
Date: 11 Jan 93 18:32:11 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]


	As Elana stated, it depends on what your music actually sounds like
or represents.  But for a start you can try:

	Starsend c/o Chuck Vanzyl
	WXPN 88.5FM
	3905 Spruce St.
	Philadelphia, PA 19104

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v2002a@vm.temple.edu     (preferred)
v2002a%templevm.bitnet@pucc.princeton.edu
agwing@picasso.ocis.temple.edu    (last resort)

Any disclaimer issued by me is subject to change without notice
From: markpet@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Mark Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
Subject: Re: Electronic Country Space Music (Was Re: 'Newage' music)
Summary: An old GEODESIUM cut might qualify
Keywords: C&W newage
Date: 4 Jan 93 18:28:29 GMT
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Networks, Denver, Co.

Buck --

On my second album, GEODESIUM "Double Eclipse", I did a piece called
"Cosmic Cannonball".  It's an up-tempo tune, all analog synthesizer (this
was 1978), and it featured some pretty great banjo work all the way 
through, by noted banjoist Eric Holle.  I ran his feed through a custom
device for some phase-shifting and flanging, but that was primarily so
it'd blend a bit more with the otherwise-electronic sounds.

The album's still available (vinyl LP only) for $10, plus shipping.
Reply and I'll E-mail you the particulars.

>>Mark

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From: markpet@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Mark Petersen)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage,rec.music.synth
Subject: PLUG: GEODESIUM on "Hearts of Space"
Keywords: GEODESIUM Hearts of Space
Date: 10 Jan 93 00:14:24 GMT
Followup-To: rec.music.newage
Distribution: na
Organization: Alpha Science Computer Networks, Denver, Co.


Hi, all.
 
A shameless plug:
 
I'm on the syndicated radio program "Music from the Hearts
of Space" this week.
 
This time around, it's a cut from my fourth GEODESIUM album,
called "The Seventh Planet".  (I was on last year, with a
couple of cuts from my third album "West of the Galaxy").
It's synthesizer space music, from some of the soundtrack
work I've done for planetarium shows.
 
Tune in the local NPR station in your area that carries it!
 
>> Mark
 
 
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Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
From: George Paap <george_paap@email.sps.mot.com>
Subject: PBS promo music
X-Xxdate: Tue, 5 Jan 93 15:59:57 GMT
Organization: Motorola RISC
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:02:15 GMT

Since were on tv toons.  Does anyone know what
the song on the PBS promo spots is (it has kind of
spacy african drum music with chorus).  It's not
exactly "new age", but I don't know what it is.

George Paap

I am my beliefs.
(which almost certainly are not those of my employer)
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
From: elana@agora.rain.com (Elana Beach)
Subject: information about Electronic Dreams available
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:03:52 GMT

Seems like I have had a fair amount of inquiries about Electronic Dreams
since replying to the post asking about airplay.  Here is a short summary
of who we are:

Electronic Dreams is a supportive action organization for listeners and
creators of E-music, i.e. the instrumental-electronic style of artists/groups
such as Jean-Michel Jarre, Klaus Schulze, Larry Fast of Synergy, classic-era
Tangerine Dream, Vangelis, Mark Dwane, Steve Roach, etc.  Our quarterly
international newsletter is called DREAMS WORD.  Many of the best artists
in this genre are also members of Electronic Dreams, so we often can get
news direct from the source.

Our newsletter is unique, in that it focuses on the non-technical aspects
of the music.  You wont find any questions in our interviews asking things
like "how do you like the new Brand X of synthesizer vs. Brand Y?"  Chris
Franke summed it up perfectly when he said:  "It's all technotalk.  That's
for all the keyboard magazines that always ask about it.  It's nothing
for your lovely magazine.  We are talking about FEELINGS rather than just 
HOW to make this type of music."  Great guy, that Chris. 

The only exception we have ever made to this rule was with the Robert Moog
interview in DREAMS WORD issue 12.  That is probably the only tech-oriented
interview ever to hit the pages of DREAMS WORD now and in the future.

Back issues of DREAMS WORD are available.  Feature interviews include: Mike
Garrison, Mark Dwane, Larry Fast of Synergy, Jonn Serrie, Michael Stearns,
Manuel Goettsching of ASHRA, Robert Moog (of course), Ruud Van Es and Rob
Pappen of the Netherlands-based group known as "Peru" and more.  At present
I am in the process of completing one heck of an interview with Chris Franke
(formerly of Tangerine Dream) for the upcoming issue of DREAMS WORD 14.

An interview with Steve Jolliffe is also in the pipeline.

Anyone can join Electronic Dreams and receive DREAMS WORD.  I have available
membership information ready for anyone who wants it...  just email me for
more information about Electronic Dreams.  It includes full details on
back issues.

Hope to hear from you all...   :-)

Elana Mell Beach
Coordinator/Editor
Electronic Dreams/DREAMS WORD


Newsgroups: rec.music.newage
From: onar@hsr.no (Onar Aam)
Subject: Re: Walking Music
Organization: Rogaland University Centre
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 07:22:59 GMT

>	I'm looking for recommendations, so if anyone knows of more
>music of this variety, please let me know!


I don't know about walking music, but I can suggest some running music. "The
Forest" by The Cure is definitely energetic. 



Onar.



From: burton@misty.boeing.com (Brandy Burton-Tarantino)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:03:14 GMT
Subject: Re: HOS in LA
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support
Newsgroups: rec.music.newage

>>/ misty:rec.music.newage / amyleigh.clarke@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (Amyleigh Clarke) /  1:07 am  Jan  6, 1993 /
To: All

>>Does anyone know if Music from the Hearts of Space is available in the 
>>greater LA area?  I recently moved from the east coast and would like to 
>>continue to listen to it.
>>
>>Thanks, Amyleigh
----

  Or Seattle???  - I haven't heard HOS in forever!  Email please.

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