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Subject: Maidstone United & Dartford
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 09:23:19 +0000

I heard on the radio last night that following Maidstone's
demise, Beazer Homes League club Dartford who groundshared
with them have been left with nowhere to play and face
extinction also.
                              James M. Ross
                              (j.m.ross@man0507.wins.icl.co.uk)
From: cheu@saturn.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Tape of Olympic Final Match
Date: 18 Aug 92 22:01:16 GMT
Reply-To: cheu@saturn.its.uci.edu (Kelvin Cheu)
Organization: University of California, Irvine


I was out of towm on business when NBC showed the final game between
Spain and Poland.  I am looking for someone who has taped up the match
to lend me to watch it.  I'll pay for the postage.  If you have the
tape and is willing to lend me, please contact me at
cheu@translab.its.uci.edu

Thanks.

Kelvin Cheu
From: bucur@pollux.usc.edu (alexander bucur)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spain-Poland discussion
Date: 18 Aug 1992 11:49:36 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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In article <1992Aug17.235504.11806@cabezon.uucp> jimcar@cabezon.uucp (James Carrasquer) writes:
>How is the referee chosen for the final game?  Is it not possible that
>referee assignments were made at the *start* of the Olympic tournament,
>before the final teams were known?

I am not completely sure, but I think that the selection is made before the
tournament starts, with some backup choices for unexpected results, or illness.

Sasha Bucur
From: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: European Cups - preliminary round
Date: 20 Aug 92 13:35:12 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <1992Aug20.121212.29590@nestroy.wu-wien.ac.at> kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans) writes:
>In article <6398@kielouta.fi> csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto) writes:

>>(--------------- a lot of stuff deleted --------------------------------)
>>
>>>I apologize for eventual spelling errors.
>>> (BTW, why does Israel participate in European Cups?)
>>>
>>
>>B/c (they claim) the Arabs will not play with them.
>
>That's not just a claim. As you very well know. What do you think is the
>reason that Israel has played its WC qualifying matches in the Oceanian
>and (currently) European zones?

 Hey, i guess you can see the brackets. They are there for a purpose.

>>I wonder if Sudan(or Somalia ) will have been allowed to play in the european 
>>cup if the Africans decided not to play with them  ?????  :-)
>
>Now why would the Africans decide such a thing?

Again there is an IF. The Africans may decide to do that in the case of Sudan
because there is a war going on in the south of Sudan b/t the christians -who
are predominatly black-  and the moslems who are predominatly Arab. The 
Blacks want independence but they can't get it........... etc etc

Again Somalia is in Brackets so as to stop these type of questions.



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From: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Papin
Date: 13 Aug 92 11:30:37 GMT
Reply-To: csfraw@vehka.uta.fi (Francis Akoto)
Organization: University of Tampere, Finland

In article <Bsvwro.Eq0@ecf.toronto.edu> yewhin@ecf.toronto.edu (YEW HIN Jimmy) writes:
>Since J.P. Papin is going to play for AC Milan this year, they will have four
>foreign players. Can anybody tell me who is leaving among the three dutch.


i heard on the news Gullit may be leaving for Marseille. Can anybody confirm
that. The Yugoslav who was suppose to leave , in the Papin deal refused to
go to Marseille.


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From: puerta@mcs-next-10.stanford.edu (Angel Puerta)
Subject: Re: Spain-Poland discussion
Reply-To: puerta@camis.stanford.edu
Organization: Stanford University, California, USA
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 01:52:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug14.173420.10164@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>  
marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch) writes:

[talk about the referee in the Spain-Poland Olympic final deleted] 
> 
> Here I disagree with you a bit. FIFA like always fucked up on its selection
> of the referee (or for that matter whoever chose the ref.). You see the
> Columbian referee might be the most honost and niceset guy in the world, 
> however he speaks the same language and he's use to a less physical,  
dribbling
> style of South American play. So what I'm saying is that no matter how 
> he try's to call the game even, sub-consciously he will always favor the 
> less physical style of play. And in a game where split second decisions
> are made it's the subconsious progammed decisions that are made by the
> referee. I felt the Spanish players (especially Alonso, Enrique) saw that
> and took advantage of it. Was it the right thing for them to do - NO,
> would the Polish players do samething if the ref. allowed them to - YES.
> For big games like that a referee must be chosen who understands both
> styles of play, not some 5ft 6in guy that could barely keep up with the
> game and follow the play.

We are really reaching now, aren't we?. Right down to the subconscious. Maybe  
you could publish your theories in the next Psychiatric World Congress.

Why don't you just accept that Poland lost and that's the end of that. You  
know, good teams can overcome bad refs (of which the Colombian one in this case  
is not one regardless of what you say). By the way, I can bet that you don't  
have the slightest idea of which leagues this particular referee normally  
works.  For your information, there are plenty of foreign refs working the  
European leagues.

And 5'6" guys "cannot keep up"?. Tell me, when was the last time that a tall  
and strong 6'5" guy (from Poland or anywhere) won a 10,000 meter race, a  
marathon, or even a 1500 meter race for that matter. You know, those guys from  
Kenya and Ethiopia sure look puny next to your big Polish Hercules, but when it  
comes to endurance they sure are a lot stronger than your Hercules.

And in football? Name all the tall, strong players in the history of the game  
who are better than these two weak dwarfs: Pele and Maradona. 

I know that in your mind it is impossible to envision how your Polish Adonis  
could possibly be beaten in an athletic event by Spanish Quasimodos without a  
worldwide conspiracy, but believe me, it happens. Jusk ask Hitler.

--
Angel Puerta
puerta@camis.stanford.edu
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From: waddlech@wam.umd.edu (David Akkarach)
Subject: Re: US Soccer Thought
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 22:16:34 GMT

In article <9208171650.AA01509@garnet.berkeley.edu> shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu writes:
>Regarding Andy's comments on US Soccer, I will
>be shocked if Bora stays past 1994.  He is a coach-for-hire.
>He didn't stay in Mexico, he didn't stay in Costa Rica, and
>I believe his official title now is not as National Team coach
>but as World Cup coach.  That is, the people he purportedly
>replaced (Gansler and all) run the coaching side of the USSF.
>Andy, you seem to have more inside info then the rest of us,
>but my impression is that neither Bora nor USSF officials would
>want him to stay on.
>Ken S.

The USSF would be stupid if they decided not to keep Milutinovic after
'94. Bora has done more for the program in the past 2 years than the
last 20 years combined. If the USSF are really who they are (i.e., soccer
enthusists), then they would try to make soccer the #1 pro game in this
country for the future. But if they are just greedy businessmen like
Rothenberg (a lawyer), then they'll just watch out for themselves and
could care less what US soccer evolves into after the World Cup.

Bora is just like any other coach, if better conditions arise, he'll take it.
Wouldn't you do the same thing? Anyone would have taken the chance to coach
the US team because we have more resources and better living standards than
Costa Rica or Mexico. I don't want to put down the Costa Ricans or Mexicans
but Milutinovic knew he had better potential to advance in the World Cup
since the US has done well at the youth levels.

Btw, Milutinovic is a Mexican citizen.

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From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Denmark: Superliga round 1
Date: 22 Aug 92 04:15:56 GMT
	<9208151617.AA07632@pippin.cs.umu.se>
Organization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University


>>>>> "Kent" == dvlkhh  (dvlkhh@cs.umu.se)

Kent> What nationality has Alphonse Tchami?

I believe he is from Nigeria, but I seem to have lost my list of
"foreign players in Denmark", so I can't look it up. Maybe Jesper can
confirm?

/Lars

PS: sorry about the delay -- our news system is acting up, I'm afraid.
    I hope this makes it out.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer,soc.culture.spain
From: michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper)
Subject: Re: Spain/Poland Final Re:
Organization: Warsaw University Physics Dept.
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1992 11:33:24 GMT

A Spanish idiot writes:
>
>Let me put it this way. Spain thoroughly dominated Poland. It was a miracle 
>that the game was not over in 15 minutes. The final score could have been
>easily 5-0.
>
> (...)    For example, I can say that Polish players are bigger, fatter,
>and clumsier and that's why they tire easily.
>
( -------- lots of same kind shit deleted ------------------------------ )

Look, if are too dull to keep a trace of objectivity, why don't you
just shut up? 

A la proxima, hazlo en el WC, no en rec.sport.soccer.  Huele mal.

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Michal~ Szleper                        My opinions are my opinions.
(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                   Quite predictable.
From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: lucky goals, re: Spain vs. Poland
Date: 12 Aug 1992 17:01:32 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Let's get something straight here once and for all.

Many of the goals that I see in *professional" futbol matches are NOT lucky.

There has been many a time were there was a lucky play i.e.  a loose 
ball, miss kicked ball, bad header, or whatever, that left a ball in 
the control of an attacker who put it to goal.

Many of the *shots* themselves were talent, pure and simple.

So let's not refer to *goals* as lucky.  The plays that led to the 
goals may have been lucky, but chances are the shots were not.

As for Spain vs. Poland, what I did see (all 10 or 15 minutes, thanks 
to nbc) the goals that were scored for the most part were very nice 
goals.  The plays that led up to a couple of them were debatable, but 
the goals themselves were nice!

Can we possibly attain a level of communication that is less 
hypocritical and nasty, and stick more with the *facts* and not conjecture?

Francis.
From: yewhin@ecf.toronto.edu (YEW HIN Jimmy)
Subject: Papin
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 18:59:47 GMT

Since J.P. Papin is going to play for AC Milan this year, they will have four
foreign players. Can anybody tell me who is leaving among the three dutch.
Thanks. Can anyone also send me the line up for Liverpool F.C this year. I 
would really appreciate that.

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From: andy@rocky.gte.com (Andrew Busa)
Subject: Wynalda's Great Start
Organization: GTE Contel Federal Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1992 15:35:28 GMT

Lord knows I have been one of the most critical people when it comes to
Eric Wynalda.  He has so much natural ability but he doesn't have what one
would call the best attitude.  He was given a golden opportunity to play
in the German first division which I hoped would help him mature.  Yesterday
he scored two gaols to pace his team to a 2-0 win.  

Both he and Steve Snow are making the most of the early oopotunities in their
respective leagues and with the incredible apathy with which our National side
has been playing as of late it gives me renewed hope for the future.

Andy
From: seanb@cs.man.ac.uk (Sean Bechhofer)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Who should play on a national team?
Date: 21 Aug 92 15:35:15 GMT

hoekema@fwi.uva.nl (Eelco Hoekema) writes:

>A player is allowed to play for a country's national team when he has never
>played for another country's national team before. Once a player has played
>for a country (even under 16) he cannot play for another country anymore.

>eelco


I don't think this is the case. Ryan Giggs played for England, I believe
captaining the schoolboy side. He's now a Welsh international. In the past,
the English and Scottish FA's were very strict on allowing players to play
for the national squad. I read recently of one player (the name escapes me)
with Scottish parents, who lived and played in Scotland, but was born in
England during a short family trip there. The SFA wouldn't let him play for
Scotland, and he eventually played for the England side. However, that
wasn't until he moved south of the border, as the FA were also not keen on
picking players who played in "foreign" leagues! 

Nowadays, of course, you can get into the Eire team if you drink Guinness
and know the words to "Whiskey in the jar". Well, ok, that's a bit of an
exaggeration -- the singing's not *entirely* necessary :-).

Cheers,

	Sean B
From: fkhoury@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Diego A. Maradona)
Subject: Reply to Carlos'
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Organization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.
Date: 13 Aug 92 06:44:41 GMT


Well.  What can I say, Carlos?
It is too bad that Maradona will always be the best player in the world
whether some people like it or not.  The fact that some people like to
bring up his hand's goal will never ever put him down.  Only those who
know  and appreciate soccer realize that it is a giant loss for soccer
if Maradona does not play anymore.

If we want to be objective, no single football (I hate to say soccer) in
the world come even close to Argentina if you want to look at the last
14 years.  They won it in 1978.  They more than deserved it in 1986.
They were runner-up in 1990.  They were in three out of the last four
final match of the world cup.  It would be a much better idea for
people to look at facts before they talk so that they don't make fool
out of themselves.

The fact they think they are European and superior is not of anyone's
business.  Lots of them have European origions.  Boy, I had never known that
this was something to be ashamed of until I read your posting.  As a Syrian,
I grew up worshiping the Argentenian soccer cuz my whole body shakes when
they are playing.  When watching these guys play, I get the feeling that a
lot of them were born with a soccer ball in their hands.  Let us just look
at facts before we talk cuz this will get other people to respect us.









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Members of the ARGENTENIAN national team that won the World Cup 1986:
22- Nierie Pompido            GoalKeeper
19- Oscar Rogeri              Right-back
5 - Jose Brown                Libero
16- Olareteciocha             Left-back
2 - Daniel Batista            Mid-fielder
14- Recardo Guisti            Mid-fielder
12- Oscar Henrique            Mid-fielder
7 - Jorje Buruchaga           Mid-fielder
10- DIEGO ARMENDO MARADONA    Mid-fielder  "Captain" "Award of Best Player"
4 - Claudio Borgie            Attacker
11- Jorje Valdano             Attacker

Members of the ARGENTINIAN national team, the runner-up, in World Cup 1990:
12- Goycitechia              GoalKeeper
19- Oscar Rogeri              Right-back
20- Juan Simon                Libero
16- Olareteciocha             Left-back
18- Serizuella                Defender
14- Recardo Guisti            Mid-fielder
4-  Daniel Basualdo           Mid-fielder
7 - Jorje Buruchaga           Mid-fielder
10- DIEGO ARMENDO MARADONA    Mid-fielder  "Captain"
8 - Claudio Canegia           Attacker
6 - Calderon                  Attacker
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From: asim@pak.sps.mot.com (Asim Omair)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: a simple question...
Date: 19 Aug 92 20:29:13 GMT
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.

In article <Bt8KyA.7q3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Zych) writes:
>While watching my tape of the FA Cup final last night, I realized that there
>is one field marking which I do not understand.  Namely, the arc outside of
>the 18 yard box.  Does this line actually have a purpose, or is it a 
>"traditional" marking which used to have a purpose but no longer does?  As I
>said, a simple question, but one which will bug me until I find out the
>answer...
>Tom Zych   tjz20735@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
>
The use of the arc occurs when there is a penalty kick. At the time of taking
the penalty kick, the players are supposed to be atleast 10 yards away from
the ball. So, the players standing right behind (or just to the side) of the
penalty taker have to be behind the arc. All others have to be outside the
penalty area and behind the ball.
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From: shadlin@garnet.berkeley.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: German Bundesliga 1 results
Date: 17 Aug 1992 12:16:03 -0500
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From: stuartw@spider.co.uk (Stuart Wilson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Pass-to-keeper game situation
Date: 12 Aug 92 12:27:16 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK.

In article <1992Aug10.222150.16895@newsgate.sps.mot.com> altizer@chdasic.sps.mot.com writes:
>
>Ok, now that you've had several weeks of discussion on the new
>"pass to keeper" modification to Law XII, consider the following
>game situation:
>
>  A defender challenges an attacker with the ball near the top
>  of the penalty area.  Seeing the keeper near the net with 
>  no one else around, the defender attempts to kick the ball to 
>  the keeper, out of reach of the attacker. In going for the ball
>  the keeper stumbles and is unable to kick it out.  As the 
>  ball rolls by him toward the net, he dives backward and just
>  before the ball crosses the goal-line the keeper sweeps it
>  away with his hand.  As the referee, in proper position, you
>  have seen everything: the intentional kick to the keeper by his
>  team-mate and the last-instant save of a sure goal by the
>  keeper's hand.
>
>  What's your call and why?  Options:
>
>  A)  No call, play on.
>  B)  Award a goal, even though the ball didn't go in.
>  C)  Award an indirect free-kick to the attacking team at the
>      spot where the keeper touched the ball.
>  D)  Award a penalty-kick.

	C is the only option available.

	A is out as an infringment has definately occured.
	B: If the ball doesn't cross the line a goal can't be given.
	D: The rules state an indirect free kick.

>  In addition, was there misconduct?
>
>  A)  No foul, no misconduct.
>  B)  Just a foul, no further penalty.
>  C)  Ungentlemanly conduct by the keeper: caution, yellow card.
>  D)  Serious foul play by the keeper: send-off, red card.

I'm not sure of the correct technical answer but surely this is no better
than an outfield player handling to stop a goal so I would think D. It will
be interesting to see what the referee awards if this ever happens.

At first I had my doubts about this rule but having seen it in action a
couple of times now I think it is a definite improvement.

Stuart Wilson.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: c9106863@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (LORD MICK HAS SUMMONED YOU...)
Subject: Re: Australian players to Europe.
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 03:57:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug18.084638.22082@frodo.cc.flinders.edu.au>, psgjf@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>) writes:
> In article <1992Aug17.113219.14619@aie.nl> louis@aie.nl (Louis Kossen) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug14.065328.17761@frodo.cc.flinders.edu.au> psgjf@cc.flinders.edu.au (<G.J.Fraser>) writes:
>>>News from a local paper today, on the arrival back in Australia of
>>>some of the Olyroos from the Olympic tournament, on the movement of
>>>many of the players to European clubs for the coming season.
>>>
>>>Some players are already playing or have signed with clubs, these are:
>>>
>>>Mark Bosnich		- Aston Villa (England)
>>>Ned Zelic		- Borussia Dortmund (Germany)
>>>Zlatko Arambasic	- Mechelen (Belgium)
>>>Paul Okon		- Club Brugge (Belgium)
>>>
>>>Other moves are:
>>>
>>>Tony Vidmar		- Ekeren (Belgium)
>>>Milan Blagojevic	- Ekeren (Belgium)
>>>Steve Refenes		- Olympiakos (Greece)
>>>Shaun Murphy		- Notts County (England)
>>>
>>>It is also rumoured that Dominic Longo and Brad Maloney are also close
>>>to signing contracts with European clubs.
>>
Rumours from Newcastle Breakers (Longo's and Maloney's club) that Longo has
signed with English club Swindon Town for $200,000 and Maloney is currently
trialling in Belgium.
Let's hope it's only a rumour for Newcastle's sake

Mick

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