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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: New Destruction! (SPOILER)
Summary: Musings about the galleries
Keywords: gallery
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 05:26:25 GMT

Well, we don't really understand how these galleries work. One
common theme is that several galleries so far have been the
sigils of the Endless, in frames or on shelves (e.g. Delight's,
Dream's, Destruction's galleries). Let's assume that this is the
general pattern, and Destiny's gallery is an anomaly.

Okay. Presumably none of the other Endless can reach Destruction
through their galleries (note that you don't have to be in your
gallery to be contacted, so the fact that Destruction's gallery
was locked wouldn't prevent him from being contacted). Perhaps an
Endless ordinarily has a blank shelf (or frame) for
him/her/himherself. Okay, how 'bout this: Hanging your sigil in
your own space indicates that you do not wish to be contacted,
and thus prevents your siblings from reaching you? Just a
thought.

Here's another question: Both Dream and Desire have a blank space
for Destruction. Why is this? Surely they wouldn't have lost
their copies of his sigil? I can think of two explanations:

1. This was before we knew who the missing Endless was, and Neil
   didn't want to give us any hints. All right, all right, how
   about

2. Dream and Desire both, for their own reasons, accepted that
   Destruction didn't want to be reached; they removed his sigil
   as a symbolic way of accepting this. Presumably Delirium's
   gallery still had his sword.

One last random musing: The other Galleries we've seen have been
in the realms of their owners. Destruction's gallery, on the
other hand, is in a house on Earth (at least, I assume it's
Earth). Why the discrepancy? I can think of two explanations:

1. He was somehow able to take his gallery with him when he
   abandoned his realm; or

2. Earth *is* his realm.

What do y'all think?
-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr)
Subject: Re: CEREBUS 161: Sitting roaches
Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 20:48:49 GMT

In article <CMM.0.90.2.717791299.jonnya@urd.ifi.uio.no> jonnya@ifi.uio.no (Jonny Axelsson) writes:
>
>Cerebus 161 seems to affirm that the Roach is the black pawn at E7, making
>its taking by the white queen rather omious. But I suspect the taking is
>non-fatal (partly by the over-obviousness, the chess figurines, the

I assumed this referred to his liaison with Blossom, didn't appear to be fatal
to me :^)

Pax ex machina,
Glenn
......................................................................
"We better get a *big* increase in circulation out of this, Sim...
 Cerebus feels like a *fool* ..."
   --- Cerespawn
g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know
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From: gt5870c@prism.gatech.EDU (Noah White)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: SPAWN #4 Letters page (McFarlane comment)
Date: 27 Sep 92 01:25:22 GMT
Organization: Universal Exports


  Awhile back I seem to remember a discussion in this group about a riot
which Liefield (sp? I really don't care) had started at the Sandiego Con.
I seem to reacall people were saying it was started because he was being a
gerk, however in Spawn #4 McFarlen comments on the incident saying it was
Leifelds _popularity_ which caused the riot. Any comments?

-Noah
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:35:23 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.151024.14514@news.nd.edu> mkelly@doofus.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes:
>
>I also find myself wondering about these "friends" of Destruction. Could they
>be former servants of his realm that simply wandered off when he abdicated?
>I forget the names right now (was it Etain who escaped the gas explosion?),
>but anyway, after she escaped the explosion, her attitude reminded me of
>Brute and Glob's after they found their boss coming after them.

I just thought that Etain was confused due to a lack of coffee. B{)

Might be servants or they might be friends. Could be a combination of the
two. If people were to look for Dream they might ask Hob for info or they
could ask Matthew and Lucien.

My theory on "the dancing lady" (? I'm going to have to start bringing a
copy of the most recent issue) is that she has several more arms than 
normal and tends to wear a necklace of skulls. 
--
     Lance "William Blake?" Smith     |   "Bring me my bat of burning gold!
         (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)          |    Bring me my pine tar of desire!
 "The Cat. He walked by himself, and  |    Bring me my glove! O clouds unfold!
    all places were alike to him."    |    Bring me my fastball of fire!"
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From: lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble)
Subject: Re: MISC: Endless poster on Roseanne 9/29
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 17:43:44 GMT
Organization: Mr. Lazlo's Temple Of The Mighty Rude-Boy Skank

pautler@ils.nwu.edu (David Pautler) writes:

> When Roseanne went up to Darlene's room to chastise her for allowing
> David to sleep over, we see an Endless poster on the wall over her
> shoulder.  We knew Darlene and David were collaborating on a comic and
> had been to a convention in Chicago.  Now we know she's a Sandman fan,
> too. 

Has Darlene been seen in a Milk & Cheese T-shirt yet?

--
Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

"If you can't feel the rhythm, don't dance."
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Delirium
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:09:23 GMT

Steve W Hill <SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET> writes:
>Is it just me, or does it seem like Delirium's apparent physical age
>is closer to 8 when in her early appearances she looked more like 14?
>(Please note that I said "apparent physical age")
>Perhaps there is a conscious effort to avoid repeating the situation
>of severe fanboy lust after Death?

Or maybe in the company of big brother she just reverts to a younger
role?  I can't believe her physical appearance is fixed even as much
as the other Enless.  With the current art it's hard to tell.  Even
Death looked pretty blah this issue.
-- 
The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from
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From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Lake Elmo, MN)
Subject: Re: SANDMAN: Annotation 31 Revised
Organization: Calm Blue Water...and a Muskie the Size of Boise
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 05:49:21 GMT
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In article <1992Sep30.013635.9023@news.acns.nwu.edu>, cat@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Felix Tsai) writes:
> What's with this annotation?  Can someone explain this to me or is everyone as
> lost as I am?
> 
	Might as well tell the world, there's bound to be other newbies out
there.

	The Annotated Sandman is a collective project of the rac community.
It attempts to reference every referenceable thing in DC's Sandman comic,
written by the apotheotic Neil Gaiman.
	I'm the chief bottlewasher, which means that I write the damn thing,
one for each issue, then collect all the additions and edit them into the text,
converting them all into my deathless prose.
	Basically, I try to cover mythical, literary, cultural, historical, 
and comics references.  You're welcome to contribute; I prefer to get
corrections by e-mail, but I can pull 'em off the net almost as easily.
It really helps if you identify the specific issue (and page) that you're 
commenting on.

	The Annotated Sandman is available via anonymous ftp at
theory.lcs.mit.edu in the directly pub/wald/sandman.  The naming convention is
sandman.##, where ## is the issue number in two digit format (01, 02,
...22, ....)  Currently, annotations covering issues 1-31 and the Special are 
stored in the archive.  The Special has the name sandman-special.01.
The file Index in the same directory contains a list of all available files.
	For those not proficient with ftp, the files may be retrieved via
e-mail.  Send the line:

send wald sandman/sandman.##

where ## is the same naming convention as above, to:

archive-server@theory.lcs.mit.edu

The file will be mailed to you in ASCII format.
-- 
"Don't be humble.  You're not that great."                                     
--Golda Meir                                                                   
  
elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov)
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From: carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
Subject: Wow! All-New Collectors Issue TWO! (was Re: $$ Comic Book Creators $$
Organization: The Claremont Graduate School
Date: 29 Sep 92 01:32:03 PST

In article <1992Sep28.232858.26838@cs.unca.edu>, mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes:
> For every X-Men #1, there's 300,000 duds like the West Coast
> Avengers and whatever Roy Thomas does.
> 
> They probably loose more than they take in on these #1s.
> 
> #1s are becoming pretty commonplace now... as millions upon millions
> of copies are sold and bought by short-term speculators, the market
> gets flooded and the price goes down.
> 
> I saw X-Force #1 going at cover price not too long after it came out.
> I see the full X-Men set at like $10, new, not much of a sum, frm
> dealers desperate to unload them.
> 
> I sense an implosion once "investors" figure out they're stuck 
> trying to unload 10 copies of X-Force #1 to dealers and other collectors
> who are already well stocked with them.
> 
> Scott
> 

You know, in thirty years or so, it's not going to be the 10 billion print run
number ones that are going to be valuable... it'll be the number TWOS.

I can see it now... new series will begin at number two. You'll have special
double sized number twos. Why... issue two may even have _different versions_!

Of course, that can only bode well for issue number three in the long run...

-----
Douglass Barre - Old Comics Man - carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
"In my day, we didn't have any issue ones. They just renamed an older magazine
like Tales of Suspenders or Monsters Eating Me or My Favorite Hamster and count
from there! And series reached numbers like one-hundred! And two-hundred! Not
that we did anything special, because in my day we didn't have anniversary
issues..."

Xref: sparky rec.arts.comics.misc:3509 alt.comics.lnh:55
From: barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.lnh
Subject: Re: The Kinda Big Darkness Saga continues (REPOSTED to a.c.lnh!)
Date: 6 Oct 92 21:53:18 GMT
Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY

In article <1992Oct6.180455.6873@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:
>      Try as he might, that was all Acton Lord could remember.  But Foxbat?  
> He's licensed!  What would h be doing in the net.worlds?

Slumming, perhaps?

>      It *was* real!  So, a realm ripe for the picking, eh?  What plan should he
> set in motion?  Perhaps it was time to take the cell samples he scraped from 
> Myk-El's third cousin and only remaining Qwertian Dev-Null, clone and army of 
> them, outfit them with suits that let them hav full powers under yellow suns, 
> and....nah.  Been done before.

Yay! Somebody's actually _building_ on the stuff I started!

> Perhaps he could approach the Sidekick Legion 
> posing as a timetraveling hero, warp their worldviews to fit his own, then use 
> them as an army...no, to stupid.  Besides, the Sidekicks would last about 2.3 
> seconds against the real LNH.  Aha!

It's Sidekick Squad, but it's the thought that counts!

>      Dave Van Domelen, Fascist dictatorships rarely happen
overnight...

Umm, Dave, I don't want to flame, so accept this in the spirit in
which it's offered.  I get enough of this "you're a fascist" mess in
the political forums, and... no, no, that'll get me off track.  Let's
try to keep the political sniping to a minimum over here, please.  I
don't go off on liberals; I only ask the same in return.  This was not
meant to be a flame.
                                      -Drizzt
-- 
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Western Kentucky University          know what he'd say?"
BarneJD@WKUVX1.BITNET         "'Help, help, get me out of this coffin'?"
The few, the proud, the LNH!                -SPIDER-MAN 2099 #1
My opinions are not necessarily those of WKU, but they should be!  :+)
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From: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM (James Langdell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Milligan Request
Date: 7 Oct 1992 00:36:15 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jamesc@bassclar.Eng.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: bassclar

Milligan also wrote at least a dozen Batman and Detective issues
in recent years.  I prefer Grant or Moench for a steady diet of
Batman stories, though.

--James Langdell      jamesc@eng.sun.com
  Sun Microsystems    Mountain View, Calif.
From: bn510@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Matthew L. High)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Know of any good independents-friendly comics shops?
Date: 1 Oct 1992 11:46:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


Subject:  Know of any good independents-friendly comics shops?

Hi everyone!  Posted along with this message ya'll will find the first
  version of the Great USENEt Comix Shops List.  Thanks to everyone who
  has replied so far, but I want *more* (greedy, aren't I?  :-))

Do you know of a shop that is friendly towards independents, 
  undergrounds, or alternative comics?  Aware of a particularly good
  comics shop that deserves to be recommended to others out there? 

If so, email me at bn510@cleveland.freenet.edu with

The name or names of the comic shop(s)
Addresses - as much as you know
A brief description of the shop - one or two lines.   

And I'll add your name and recommendation to the next revision of my
  list!

Thanks in advance,

 - net.spy!  (bn510@cleveland.freenet.edu)

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From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER)
Subject: Re: Hero Alliance
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:21:38 GMT

In article <lis.718073289@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes:

>
>PS--Who in their right minds does aerobics in SPIKE HEELS??

Since Dave answered the costume parts, I'll take this one.  HA is one of
the few books that give a reason for the more or less non functional use of
a skin tight costume.  Chris's adrenal(?) glands are cross wired with her
sex drive glands-thingees (I'm showing my lack of biologoy knowledge, aren't I).
Her costume, um, stimulates, her thereby making her stronger.  Since when she's 
exercising she has to exercise her powers (plus practice in high heels) it makes
since for her to wear them.

At least there usualy not the 7 inch heels that Ron Lim designed (but then that'
s what he used to put all his women in)

---SCAVENGER saying NEVER see _Excalibur_ (movie) with a bunch of SCA people.

-- 
KHAN: And I never forget a face.  Mr. Chekov,   |  kogutt@ucsu.colorado.edu
           isn't it?                            |      (Internet/Usenet)
CHEKOV:  But, I wasn't in that episode!!!       | No matter where you go, there
     (from MST3K:The Wrath of Khan)             |    you are."-Buckaroo Banzai 
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Image Bashing -- Why???
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 19:35:33 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <80957@ut-emx.uucp> aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:


+>	I just read through 200 or so articles on this subgroup, and caught
+>a distinct (shall I say) hatred  for (or at least SERIOUS frowing upon)
+>>>any<< Image title.  I say they don't all deserve it.

+>	OK, so the artists may act like cocky, spoiled snobs some of the 
+>time, but if the art is passable (and in some cases exceptionable) and the
+>stories are coherent, whats the complaint?

	The usual people (in general, not specifically in this group)

	1. fan-boy Snobs.  These people have a set of pre-conceved notions
	about what an non-big-two comic (i.e. not from marvel/DC) should
	look like.  The premire fan-boy snob is of course the publisher
	of the comics journal who these days has a mentality that anything
	not done by his own company is "evil" which of course ignores the
	trash that he himself was putting on the market during the b&w 
	boom.





	2. People who follow the "words of wisdom" dished out by the Marvel company
men to the effect that:

		a) these people are "evil" for trying to make
		   money.
		b) The image people "owe" marvel something.  
		c) Its just plain "wrong" to work out the sort of deal that
		   the image people have.  (i.e. they keep a huge share
		   of the money by taking a huge risk.)



	3. People who have a personal grudge against the people at image
	because they either dont like their work or that they are
	successful.


	I think that image is the best thing to happen to comics in years
in that it turns the creative control and financial rewards out of the
hands of the major companies and into those of the creators.

	I dont like Rob Liefelds work, but if there are people that like
it and want to buy it, what is wrong with him producing it and making
money from it?  At the very least, the image arragement gives him the
opportunity to do the book how he wants to do it and not accoring to
the whims of people like Bob Harris and Tom Defalco who are THE
bottom of the barrel as far as creative talent goes.


	If you want to talk bad books, go look at marvel and things like
Spider-man 2099, the butchery of Jae Lee's are on the current x-factor,
or the "marvel enforced" butchery of the art on x-force.  Or anything 
written by Jim Starlin recently.

	Whatever its flaws, the image stuff is as good as or better than
half of marvel's total output for whatever its worth.


	I can understand attacks on individual books put out by image, but
I neither understand nor accept those who attack "image" as an entity.


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From: maguire@copland.jpl.nasa.gov (Kevin Maguire)
Subject: Re: What's up with !mage??
Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 19:50:40 GMT

In article <wemPF4u00WBOE1pGo0@andrew.cmu.edu>, jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu (John
Hamilton Slye) wrote:

> >Malibu is doing their own books (Protectors, Ex-Mutants and others) which have
> >absolutely nothing to do with Image.
> 
> In the August Previews (for books coming out in October): there is no
> mention of the Ex-Mutants, the protectors is only up to #2 and there are
> several others (Necroscope, Arrow & Tarzan). These books just came out
> and may save Malibu. But a good percentage of Malibu's profits comes
> from Image, with these new titles in such an early stage, and not stable
> yet, Image basically determines whether or not Malibu survives.
>  
> >And I think (MHO) that you're wrong about the general outlook of
> retailers abou
> >t Malibu.  Most know the difference (Malibu/Image), and the orders for
> the Mali
> >bu books (yes, even the Eternity line) are all going up. I don't see this as 
> >retailers being fed up.
> 
> Yes, there is a difference, but if the major output of Malibu is Image
> material then Malibu is treading on thin ice. You say that the orders
> for Malibu books are going up, but what percent? Imagine how much more
> they would go up if the retailer could count on the book coming out at a
> given time. As it is, the retailer has to tell the customer that, no
> such-n-such a title did not come in and we don't know when it is going
> to. The customer then gets upset at the retailer, even though it's not
> his fault, which causes the retailer to get upset from the heat he's
> taking from the customer. (And don't say that this doesn't happen,
> because it does! The customer may realize that it's not the retailer's
> fault, but they have to vent their frustration somewhere.) The retailer
> will then not order many copies of the title in the future because he
> can't predict when he's going to get the profits from these books. He
> may up his order if he sees potential, but not by much.
> 

    People involved in this thread seem to have this misconception that
Malibu started up as a distributor for Image, and is only now coming around
to releasing Malibu-imprint books.
	   I can understand how this came about, considering the low visibility of
Malibu books before they picked up Image, but this is not the case.  Malibu
has been around for a long time as the parent company of Eternity and
Adventure
(and I think there's one more in there).  They were releasing books like
Ex-Mutants and the first volume of The Trouble With Girls back in 1985,
unless
the current Malibu is a different company using the same name.
				Perhaps Roland can clear this up for us, since he works for them.

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Kevin Maguire                         No, not THAT Kevin Maguire
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From: sane@cs.uiuc.edu (Aamod Sane)
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 03:20:00 GMT

dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:

>Wow!  Sandman #43 is one of the best issues to date.  No dramatic
>revelations, not much action, no side-splitting humor -- just solid
>and superb writing from the beginning to the end.

Quite. But are the artists starving or what? Goddam anemic drawings!
Give me Charles Vess any day...

>And the scenes with Delerium work.  That's a tribute to Gaiman's skill

I liked the remark about the airplane - clouds are so cute as long
as you are not in them. (Go to a tropical mountain sometime 
(or a tiny shower :-) - walking
in cold suspended water is an interesting experience). 
Besides, I remember
thinking almost exactly the same thing on my first plane ride!

>In fact, every little conversation works -- the dog, the little girl...

Any clue who Barnabas is?

About Destruction, I think the idea is Change rather than random violence.
Remember the last conversation - 
DL: what is the word for the time when things don't remain the same
DR: Change
DL: I was afraid of that...

ObQuote:

"Hey schmuck, devotion you've got, perjury isn't in the job description"

-- 
sane@cs.uiuc.edu
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