HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: MAHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Blouses falling to back; alteration from Sew News
Organization: Yale University
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 11:27:15 EST

Sharmane Fouche does this alteration by taking off 1/2" from the front
shoulder and adding the same 1/2" to the back one, which sounds much
simpler than the Sew News version of the same.  I learned this
from her about 4-5 years ago, and I haven't had a shirt creep to
the back since.  This is mostly a problem of loose shirts though,
so you might want to reserve it for the most likely candidates.
 
Marie-Christine
mahe-marie-christine@yale.edu
 
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: fred@cc.ysu.edu (Fred Ullom)
Subject: Re: Family tartans
Organization: Youngstown State University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 16:47:17 GMT

dmiller@theory.lcs.mit.edu (Dick and Jill Miller) writes:
: 
: There was a fairly long discussion on soc.roots (the genealogy newsgroup) a 
: while back about 'family' tartans.  Turns out that until recently there 
: were no family tartans.  Each weaver made up what they liked.  Then someone 
: in the British army which had several Scottish regiments decided that it 
: would look more coordianted if all the soldiers in a regiment wore the same 
: tartan as a uniform.  The idea spread and thus was born the 'family' 
: tartan.
: 
: 

Well, that's kinda right:-)

There were as early as the 1600's tartans associated with extended families
but since they usually populated a given area, they were worn by the people
of the district which was governed by a certain family (clan). Weaver's
designed them and generally made what they liked but they were governed by
the choices of local fauna for dye stuffs so the choice of color was limited
- also since the weaver always maximized their raw materials, the percentages
of each color seems to be related to the abundance of a particular dyestuff
to the area. Thus, if there were only a few 
crowberry's growing in the area, you would
only find a small overcheck of crowberry purple in the tartan those weavers
were weaving.

Although the tartan association to families does indeed go back at least
three centuries, it was only in the 1930's that the Lord Lyon Court in
Edinburgh took on the responsibility of documenting and registering family
tartans. Before then it was just tradition and heresay and many individuals
chose to adopt any pattern they liked and call it their family tartan.

The first military tartan was the Black Watch which was the Campbell Clan
tartan. It was chosen by the king to be the uniform for the 42nd Highland
regiment. There have been all kinds of romantic reasons as to why this pattern
was chosen including the famous idea that the black, blue, and green provided
a night camoflague for the troops. In actuality, its been 
postulated (J.D. Scarlett 
Tartan: A Highland Textile) that when the king was confronted with having to
clothe 10,000 troops, he did as any prudent king would do, he bought the
cheapest fabric that was available at the time:-)
--
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Fred S. Ullom                                                                   
Handweaver of tartan cloth and member of the House of Gordon
tacon019@ysub.ysu.edu                                                           
Youngstown State University                                                     
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From: gorrindo@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Sue Gorrindo)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:57:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Quilting in Germany ???
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
Newsgroups: alt.sewing

I recently returned from a Fall Colors Quilters and Crafters tour of
the new england states.  On our trip were a couple of girls from Germany,
one now living in Tennessee.

Fabric is apparently very expensive there.  They said your basic
Peter Pan fabric runs about $8.00/yd there as compared to
$3.50 to $5.00 here.  I suggest that your wife stock up on fabric
here or make arrangements for someone to send it to her.
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: xxbeth@lims01 (Beth I. Mittelstaedt)
Subject: Re: Embroidered letters
Reply-To: xxbeth@lims01 (Beth I. Mittelstaedt)
Organization: Nasa Lewis Research
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 14:16:41 GMT

The New Home 8000 does have an scanner option.  After the 
image is scanned it is sewn in all horitontal stitches..  It does not 
look as professional as the designs that come on the computer 
disk.    But, it is a nice machine!!!

Beth Mittelstaedt
xxbeth@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov
216 433 8977
From: marg@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Margaret Minsky)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Sew News blouse alteration - CORRECTION
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:46:18 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: /u/marg/.organization


I still don't know whether the Sew News blouse correction is a good
one, but I realized, when I went home and read it again, that I made
an error when I typed it in. It does suggest changing the placement of
the shoulder seam by 1/4", AND the 1/8" lateral move of the seam is
supposed to be TOWARD the center front in the front (like I said) and
AWAY from the center front in the back (unlike what I said).

Effectively, then, this makes the neckline smaller in front and larger
in back as well as rotating the shoulder seam forward. I can see the
logic in this...if the blouse is pulling back maybe you have more
muscles and stuff up around the neck that need room, or maybe the
blouse needs to ride lower on the neck in back -- but I haven't tried
this alteration myself so I don't really know.  I apologize for
getting it wrong from memory.
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Yarn-aholics Anonymous Confession
From: 9018617k@levels.unisa.edu.au
Date: 12 Nov 92 08:55:34 +1030
Organization: University of South Australia

Yes it is time for Yarn-aholics anonymous.

I confess that I have a 4ft X 2ft X 2ft camphorwood chest stuffed full of my
favourite knitting yarns, books etc and at least 4 jumpers on the go.  In fact
my collection extends to several boxes of beautiful yarn which won't fit in the 
chest.  I just wish that I had not taken up study 3 years ago because with full
time work and a little one around I just don't find the time to do very much
(try almost nothing) and every time I walk past the chest I feel so guilty.

At least in camphorwood the silverfish can't get to the yarn.

Kerry
From: qnd@quilter1.dfe.seattleu.edu (The Quilter Next Door)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Re: More holiday gift ideas...
Date: 22 Nov 92 05:52:18 GMT
Reply-To: kibo@world.std.com
Followup-To: talk.bizarre.rabbit, alt.lycra
Organization: Department of Forensic Embroidery, Seattle University

In article 9625@mailhost.bl.cad.slb.com, hackney@boston.sinet.slb.com (Kirsten Werne) writes:

>	Last year I made fabric covered hangers for my sisters
>	and Grandma-in-law.  I had some dark green satin left
>	over from a dress I had made, so that's what I used.
>	They were really beautiful and were the hit of the
>	day! And they're really easy.  I can post the
>	instructions, if anyone is interested.

While I was looking for a suitable fabric for a
hanger-cover for my own grandma (I didn't think
the spiky texture of the rope quite suited the
overall floral texture and delicate pink tones
of her usual attire, though I've always thought
there was a traditional, sturdy, country goodness
about a neatly tied noose) I came across a pink
seersucker with little yellow daisies that went
beautifully wih the collars of most of the dresses
she wears this time of year. She always said she
wanted to look dignified when it came to the end.

Would whoever posts the instructions for that hanger-
cover please give some hints on making neat seams
around a heavy rope.

>Jane,
>PLEASE DO POST DIRECTIONS!!!  Thanks,

Oh, PLEASE!

- The Quilter Next Door

p.s.  I have a wonderful pattern for a coffin lining
 if anyone's interested - simplicity itself!
From: ted.jensen@spacebbs.com (Ted Jensen) 
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Re: Stitchery Legal Question
Date: 18 Nov 92 05:07:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: SPACE BBS - Menlo Park, CA - 10 Lines + 4gB - 415-323-4193
Reply-To: ted.jensen@spacebbs.com (Ted Jensen) 


In article <BxtF02.788@knot.ccs.queensu.ca>  polowin@chem.queensu.ca
(Joel Polowin) writes:

> I think you're wrong on most points.  It's certainly possible to
> copyright artwork, and most art pieces are implicitly copyrighted
> by the artist even if s/he doesn't register formally.

I suppose that is true.  However, in her case where she is making
a quilt designed around a painting which she finds a photograph
of in a book, even if Picasso did hold a copyright on the
painting would she be violating the law?

It seems to me that the medium of quilting is so different than
the medium of painting that no copyright violation would be
involved.  I recently attended a quilting show where one of the
quilts was a representation of the Mona Lisa.  Even if this quilt
was for sale, or even if it was mass produced by machine and sold
in quantity in department stores, would there be a violation
here?  If so, who would one go to to obtain written agreement in
advance of manufacturing such quilts (in the case of the Mona
Lisa?.. in the case of the Picasso painting?).

On second thought, I could be completely off base here.  I just
realized that I might have second thoughts about mass producing
quilts containing a rendition of Mickey Mouse on it.  I am sure
that Disney Studios would want a cut of something like that.  I
guess the only valid thing to assume would be, as you put it:

> The question is one of "fair use", the phrase used in most
> copyright law to allow a judge to decide on a case-by-case basis
> what is reasonable. This prevents loop-hole-wriggling.

It is not my intent to argue the point, I am really just very
curious about the extent to which the copyright law covers these
kinds of things.  Perhaps this conference is not the place to
pursue this subject, in which case if there is a more appropriate
conference, let me know.  Or we can take it to e-mail.

Ted Jensen


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From: dawn@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Dawn Burgess)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Re: Biking Clothes (was Re: Lycra fabric outlet in SF??)
Date: 16 Nov 1992 17:20:07 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
NNTP-Posting-Host: pangea.stanford.edu

In article <Nov13.231015.45502@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> sastoen@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Susan Stoen) writes:
>In article <1992Nov12.204453.13007@syscen.com> judiths@usisun.UUCP (Judith Speck) writes:
>>
>> Speaking of lycra,  I'm trying to find patterns for cycling shorts
>>and racing jerseys, as well as a source for CoolMax and lycra fabrics.
>>The only pattern I have seen is by Kwik Sew, and the sizes are completely
>>off.  They had the usual C-cup model wearing it, with her Barbie doll
>>figure.  Sorry folks, real athletes don't have Barbie boobies--they
>>have a low body fat percentage, and that means the boobs are long gone.
>>Also, athletic women have broader shoulders, which from the picture
>>and other body measurements are not going to be accounted for either.
>>These were the body measurements for the shorts/jersey size small:
>>Chest 34-35.5"
>>Waist 24-26"
>>Hips  35.5-37"
>
>
>Don't forget that alot of companies still see women as foo-foo creatures.
                                                        ^^^^^^^

I hope I am misinterpreting this.  Do you really believe that
body shape has anything to do with personality, brains, or
personal worth???  If so, shame on you.   This is the kind of
attitude that causes women to become anorexic/bulemic.  I fit this
measurement list almost perfectly.  I am also a very active woman, 
a geophysicist, a feminist, and I doubt very many people would call
me a "foo-foo creature".  Please.  What an offensive remark.

Please, correct me if I misinterpreted you.

Dawn
From: ALI00ERW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Re: fabric stores
Date: 23 Nov 92 17:05:42 GMT
Organization: UNC Charlotte

In article <1992Nov22.4710.3720@dosgate>
wayne.heffernan@canrem.com (wayne heffernan) writes:
 
>
>My wife and I will be travelling from Toronto to Florida  during the Xmas
>holidays. We will be looking for some good fabric stores. Stores that
>handle high quality material made of natural fibers are the type we are
>most interested in. Any suggestions would be welcome.
>wayne.heffernan@canrem.com
>
>
Are you traveling by car? Mary Jo's in Gastonia, N.C. (*right* off of I-85)
has just about anything you could possibly want at very reasonable prices.
Its regionally famous.
 
Erin (not affiliated with Mary Jo's; I just love to shop there!!!)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: Priscilla Schenck <ps12@cornell.edu>
Subject: Do I need a serger?
X-Xxdate: Mon, 23 Nov 92 09: 33:56 GMT
Nntp-Posting-User: ps12@cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 14:30:44 GMT


Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: sastoen@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Susan Stoen)
Subject: biking clothes......
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 03:14:06 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

I, unfortunately, deleted the artice before I could reply.

Well, my apologies to those of you who were offended by my
'foo-foo' creature comment.  It was not meant to be offensive
to anyone.  If you were offended please accept my apology.

Now, I don't believe that women are foo foo creatures.  I
have NEVER thought that.  I just feel that the fashion industry
(and this includes the pattern companies) doesn't often fulfill
the needs of those among us ( this does include me) who are
not 'average' in size. It does get irritating to have to alter
every darn pattern I get my hands on before I can start using it.

Am I saying that average women are 'foo-foos'?  Absolutely not.
Am I saying that women who are not average in size are 'foo-foos'?
Again, no.  It was a poor choice of words on my part.  

I am an ardent supporter of womens rights and I don't believe
that size is a measure of one's self-worth, intelligence, brain
size, etc.

My sincerest apologies.  Can we let this rest now?  Thanks.

--Sue Stoen             email:sastoen@lamar.colostate.edu

Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: bednarek@picard.med.ge.com (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971)
Subject: corsets / again
Organization: GE Medical Systems, Magnetic Resonance
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 10:25:37 GMT




Thanks for all the responses on my initial corset question.
I have several catalogs on order now.

I still have several questions though.  What about the 
standard patern coumpanies McCalls, Simplisity, Vouge,
etc.  Don't they have any such patterns.  I cannot 
seem to find any but I'm not experienced searching
through there multiple books.

Question 2 is style versus functionality.  There are
various styles, Edwardian, Tudor, Southern Colonial
etc.  is there much difference in the functional 
end of these or is it strictly the visual styling?

Thanks again
dennis


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From: liza@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Liza Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Another gift idea
Date: 19 Nov 1992 19:37:09 GMT
Organization: Stanford Univ. Earth Sciences
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From: laura gayle green <LGREEN%IUBVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject:      Christmas gifts
To: Liza Lee Miller <liza@pangea.stanford.edu>
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Hi-
I saw your post on one of the sewing/craft newsgroups, and thought I'd
throw my 2 cents in -- I haven't figured out how to post to the
newsgroup -- that's another project.  Anyway, luggage tags are an
easy to make and appreciated Christmas gift.  Cross stitch magazine
(is it Cross Stitch and Country Crafts?) had instructions out several
years ago to cross stitch the label and make the holder out of ultrasuede.
I've just made the label part for friends who had Square Rigger bags or
other briefcases or luggage that came with a name tag.  You don't really
need a pattern to come up with a tag, just a little creativity for a border
decoration and Hardanger cloth for the label.

I used to design a different set of Christmas ornaments each year, make
them and give them to family.  And this year, I've been hoping to make
aprons and hot pads/trivets in matching Christmas material, but haven't
gotten around to it yet...

So much for my 2 cents worth.  Happy crafting!

Sincerely,
Laura Gayle Green
Music Library, School of Music
Indiana University, Bloomington, IN 47405
(812) 855-2970  lgreen@iubvm.bitnet  lgreen@iubvm.ucs.indiana.edu

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Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: Priscilla Schenck <ps12@cornell.edu>
Subject: Do I need a serger?
X-Xxdate: Thu, 19 Nov 92 10: 36:18 GMT
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Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 15:33:38 GMT
From: girardoj@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Re:  Flame war
Date: 15 Nov 92 21:43:46 CST
Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services

Gosh, never thought I'd see a full-blown flame war in alt.sewing.  This
seems to have gone on for days and days (it's been several days -- weeks,
actually, since I've read the newsgroup, so I'm getting it all at once).

I think that it's time for all to remember that piece of sage advice:
"If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."  I know that
all parties involved have very strongly-felt opinions, and they have 
reasons for feeling the way they do about the subject.  But many of those
who have criticized Mary Otto have displayed the same sort of venom that
Please let's have a return of the helpful 
this newsgroup such a pleasant and informative forum for sharing ideas.
Many thanks to those who have continued to post, despite the flames!
J. Girardo


they have condemned her for.  Nothing constructive is getting accomplished
like this.
From: sastoen@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Susan Stoen)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Re: (Horse) Riding Breeches
Date: 17 Nov 92 20:53:51 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

In article <1992Nov17.031155.4416@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> perrott@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nikki Perrott) writes:
>I have been having trouble finding riding breeches that fit well,
>and am thinking of making some. Does anyone know where I can find
>a pattern for breeches?  

I think that Daisy Kingdom and Green Pepper both make patterns
for riding breeches.  Check your local sewing market for a store
that carries these companies.

>
>Thanks.
>

Sure.  Best wishes.

******  Sue     email: sastoen@lamar.colostate.edu ******
*********************************************************
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: dtrytten@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Deborah Trytten)
Subject: Tatted Chatelaine
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 17:16:57 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Followup-To: alt.sewing 

I've posted several times about the tatted chatelaine that my sister
made for me last Christmas.  It is now framed and hanging majestically
on my living room wall.  The last time I posted about it, I got several
email messages asking for the pattern name and a source.  Well, I contacted
my sister and she sends the following along:

The pattern is called "Tatted Chatelaine" by Linda Driskell.  It cost $9.50.
It is itme #713686 from:

The Lacemaker
7721 230th SW
Edmonds, WA  98026

or it is also available from:

Beggar's Lace
PO Box 481223
Denver,  CO  80248
303-722-5557

Both companies have great catalogs with lots of supplies and patterns
for tatting.  Missy bought the chatelaine tools that hang from the 
chatelaine from Clotilde.  They are listed as brass tools and are
very hard to find in stores.   The scissors she used are the
Gingher ones with the gold curly handles.  And yes, it broke my heart,
but I did frame those beautiful scissors without using them even 
once.   :-(  But they do look great.  :-)

Clotilde
1909 SW First Avenue
Fort Lauderdale, FL  33315-2100
1-800-772-2891.

I hope that this answers everyone's questions.

Deborah Trytten  (with help from Missy Trytten Zakhary)
dtrytten@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu

Newsgroups: alt.sewing
From: fran@Cadence.COM (Fran Peterson)
Subject: Re: Embroidered letters
Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 17:00:10 GMT

In article <1992Nov2.144216.15825@cbfsb.cb.att.com> motto@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mary.rita.otto) writes:
>
>Step 1:  Design transfer.
>There are a number of ways of getting a design off the computer and on to
>fabric.
>1.  Print design.  Position design on garment in desired position over
>a piece of dressmakers carbon.  Trace design.

This I knew about and have done.

>2.  Print design using mirror image command (which prints the design
>backwards on the paper) using a good quality dot matrix printer and
>"iron-on transfer" ink ribbon.  Position design on garment, iron to
>transfer pattern.

This I have done by putting the hardcopy from the printer in the copy
machine.  But what is "iron-on transfer" ink ribbon and where/how do
you get it?

TX

F [:)

Fran Peterson - fran@cadence.com
From: psburns@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (MAUREEN BURNS)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Singer Books
Date: 20 Nov 92 18:31:00 GMT
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


Well, I'm just tickled to pieces!!  I was in Fort Walton Beach this week for 
a business trip, and found a small shopping center with outlet stores.  I 
wandered into a bookstore and found almost EVERY Singer sewing reference 
book that is published, for ONLY $6.99!!!!  I bought five of them!  What a 
deal!!! Normally $15-17!!!  I was so proud of myself!  I now have expanded 
my collection to have all the ones I want, and I'm thrilled with them.  

There's still a few left, so go to it, you Floridians!!!

(I don't remember the name of the street: I think it was route 85, close to 
the beach, just before a bridge.)

Maureen
From: carolyn@bucket.rain.com (Carolyn Peterson)
Subject: For Beth I. Mettelstaedt
Summary: bouncing email
Keywords: serger thread
Organization: Rick's Home-Grown Un*x
Distribution: us
Date: 18 Nov 92 03:43:14 GMT



I'm sorry to post, but EMail to lims02.lerc.nasa.gov keeps bouncing. 
 
I didn't receive any responses about serger thread to forward.  The
serger books I checked didn't discuss regular thread types, just the
decorative ones.  I started checking out other sources and found the
following in _Power Sewing_ by Sandra Betzina, which may be of
interest to you. 
 
"Overlock machines make more of a demand on thread than the home
sewing machine.  Even though good-quality thread is more expensive,
the investment is worth it.  Many overlock repair problems are caused
by poor-quality thread.  Your best choice for the overlock is a fine
long-staple thread with as little lint buildup as possible." 
 
-- 
-----
Carolyn Peterson
carolyn@bucket.rain.com