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From: fischer@li.serum.kodak.com (Chris Fischer (x39613))
Subject: Re: Springtime for Honecker (part I)
Organization: Clinical Products Division, Eastman Kodak Company
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 19:30:10 GMT

In article <67572@cup.portal.com> atfurman@cup.portal.com (A T Furman) writes:
>NEWS RELEASE
>St. Louis, Missouri
>
>Local Contact: Steve Dasbach, David Carr - 314-330-2018
>
>October 11, 1992
>1:00 PM CST
>
>                   LIBERTARIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
>                     BARRED FROM C-SPAN INTERVIEW BY
>                           ST. LOUIS POLICE
>
>ST. LOUIS -- Libertarian Party Presidential Candidate Andre Marrou, who
>has been excluded from participation in the first Presidential Debates
>tonight in St. Louis, today was barred by St. Louis Police from entering the
>studio of C-SPAN for an 11:30 am interview and viewer call-in program.
>
>Andre Marrou, who is on the ballot in all 50 states, had been scheduled to
>appear on C-SPAN to discuss his exclusion from this evening's debates.  As
>Marrou and C-SPAN interviewer Geoffrey Baum approached the C-SPAN
>interview studio, they were blocked by St. Louis county police officers.  In
>spite of Mr. Baum's verification of the scheduled interview, and in spite of
>statements by a debate commission member that Mr. Marrou could be
>permitted inside of the police lines, the police officers refused admission.
>
>Hundreds of supporters of the Libertarian Party candidate have assembled
>in St. Louis to protest Mr. Marrou's exclusion from the debates.  At 3:00
>pm on campus, there will be a march demonstrating that Mr. Marrou is the
>only candidate on the ballot in every state who will not be in this evening's
>debate.  From 3:00 pm to 10:00 pm, Marrou supporters will demonstrate
>outside the debate site at Washington University.
>
>                                - END - 

If this had happened to Larry Agran, Harel would have literally flooded 
the net with an endless barrage of posts.

It is however, pitiful that "the powers that be" feel that Marrou
must be silenced.  They're probably afraid of having an intelligent
candidate making the media-anointed candidates look bad.

-- 
Chris Fischer (fischer@serum.clpd.KODAK.com)
They never even listen to my opinion, why would they make it policy?
"The healthy gum tissue of our liberties are being eaten away by the 
 periodontal disease of government regulation." - D.Barry
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: bena@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling)
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:11:28 GMT

      " War is not about dying for your country, war is about
	making the enemy die for his. "

Not true, but a great quote.  War is about Power.
Sadam has some Power, he wants to hold onto it.  He'd like more if possible.
Bush has some Power, he wants to hold onto it.  He'd like more if possible.

Morality doesn't enter into it.

	Ben
From: Hilary Naylor <hnaylor@igc.apc.org>
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Date: 10 Oct 92 22:46 PDT
Subject: Amnesty International Concert
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1296500409:000:2621
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!hnaylor    Oct 10 22:46:00 1992


                        AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL USA

                         HUMAN RIGHTS IN HARMONY

          Eclectic, world-class mix of music to benefit Amnesty
                   International locally and worldwide

                        Sunday October 18 7:00 pm
      Flint Center for the Performing Arts De Anza College Cupertino

Amnesty International today announced a special benefit concert
featuring an eclectic mix of some of the Bay Area's finest
musical talent.  Appearing on behalf of the Nobel Peace Prize
winning organization will be The Oakland Interfaith Gospel Choir,
Kitka, and Linda Tillery and her band.

The concert will take place on Sunday, October 18 at 7:00 pm at
the Flint Center for the Performing Arts, located on the campus
of DeAnza College in Cupertino.

Under the direction of Terrence Kelly, The Oakland Interfaith
Gospel Choir is a multiracial, interdenominational group of 55
vocalists united in their love of gospel and their message of
hope, joy and justice.  The choir, which has sung with such stars
as Linda Ronstadt, was the recent recipient of a Gospel Academy
Award for its outstanding performances (described as "heavenly"
by the Oakland Tribune).

Kitka is an appealing "a capella" chorus of ten young women
specializing in the fascinating and varied music of the Balkan
region.  Their hypnotic music has been called "exotic and
exhilarating" by National Public Radio.

Linda Tillery, whose dynamic voice is equally comfortable
performing jazz, pop or soul, will be performing rhythm and blues
with her band in a style that has won praise from critics across
the nation.

Proceeds from the concert will benefit the local and global work
of Amnesty International, an independent worldwide movement
working impartially for the release of all prisoners of
conscience, fair and prompt trials for political prisoners, and
an end to torture and executions.  The human rights organization
was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1977.

In the Bay Area, Amnesty International has a total of 89 groups
(16 local chapters, 12 university chapters and 61 high school
groups), working year-round to halt human rights abuses around
the world.

Tickets for the concert ($18 in advance, $20 at the door) can be
purchased at the Flint Center box office or through any BASS
ticket outlet.  Tickets at group rates of $15 for a group of 10-
20, and $12 for groups over 20, can be purchased only from Terry
Heinz at (408) 374-0256.
________________________________________________________________
Discount tickets will be available during the final week before
the concert.  Call Terry Heinz.
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: "We're Number One"
From: alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com (Alan Braggins)
Date: 14 Oct 92 10:12:51 GMT
Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK
In-reply-to: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net's message of Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:45:21 GMT

>>>>> On Mon, 12 Oct 1992 03:45:21 GMT, kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan) said:

> harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:

>>U.S. NONWHITE            **93,569**                   **155.7** 
>>UNITED STATES           **202,843**                    **81.0** 

> So, are you saying that non-white US citizens are more likely to be
> homosexual, iv-drug users, or promiscuous than white citizens are?

Given the context, that both groups are more likely to be promiscuous
or share needles within the same group than between groups seems
just as likely an explanation.
--
     Alan Braggins, alanb@sdl.mdcbbs.com, abraggins@cix.compulink.co.uk
Shape Data - A division of EDS-Scicon Limited.   Cambridge, UK +44-223-316673
   "Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced."
 "My employer does not necessarily share my views - but I'm working on it."
From: smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: ==> Clinton/Gore Electronic Communications Sites
Date: 16 Oct 92 14:24:34 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

>       We need all your help.  No one of us can know or
>              do it all.  Together we can win!

>Jock Gill
>Clinton/Gore Email Campaign
>Little Rock, AR
>75300.3115@compuserve.com

The Internet policies note that it is considered improper form to use the net
for commercial gain.  I think canvassing for votes falls under the spirit, if
not the letter of that guideline.  I have been watching tons of this stuff
arriving without complaint, but I think it's time this out-and-out campaigning
was stopped.  This is not the Clinton/Gore newsgroup, it is a forum for
_debates_.  A few postings setting out positions for such debates is to be
expected, but this barrage of campaign literature is way out of line.  Until
Bush and Perot also gain net access and get equal bandwidth, I must say I
disapprove of this as bad form.  I'm pretty ambivalent about Bush, but I have
no end of suspicions about True Believers, and that's the bottom line for this
dreck.  I shall certainly remember this blatent electioneering come November.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?
-
Liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,
it is the freedom to do whatever we are able.
Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: kd1hz@anomaly.sbs.risc.net (Michael P. Deignan)
Subject: Re: The Decline of America: A "Kinder, Gentler Nation" (II)
Organization: The Rhode Island Internet Systems Cooperative Network
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 12:59:24 GMT

harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes:

>    Number of people killed with handguns, 1988-90:

>Switzerland               53      7.9

Hmmm.... Isn't every household in Switzerland equipped with an
automatic assault rifle?


>Israel                    25      5.7

How many are killed by car-bombs? How does that rank with the United
States deaths due to car-bombs? Perhaps Israel should think about
banning cars.


>Sources: Handgun Control, Inc. (Washington, D.C.)

Ah. Now we know the political agenda (as if there was any doubt).


MD
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From: bobh@troy.uucp (22131-hettmansperger)
Subject: Re: TOBACCO ADVERTISEMENTS ON TV?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 14:20:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct10.023134.1756@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
>
>	Bigotry is bigotry. The anti-tobacco movement seeks to 
>	legitimize bigotry against a large class of people, with
>	all the horrible consequences of class discrimination, 
>	when the real risk is very very low. Such approved
>	bigotry is a hundred times more dangerous to the ideal of
>	a free state and the futures of its citizens than is any
>	amount of tobacco smoke. Nothing but nothing justifies
>	treating a group of people as inferior or worthy of
>	indiscriminate rejection, reduction of civil rights or
>	outright cruelty. 
>

How is being anti-tobacco bigoted?  I would think bigotry is hatred for
some innate aspect of a person's being (such as race) rather than hatred
for someone's dirty, disgusting, unhealthy habit.  If hating someone for 
their actions rather than their person is bigoted, then *you* seem to 
qualify as bigoted against the anti-tobacco lobby.

Just an observation.  Personally, I think if someone wants to smoke, fine.
You can even advertise your cancer sticks on tv, if you'd like. Just don't 
smoke around me.  It's as rude as farting in an elevator or having
excessive body odor.  

-Bob
From: dag@ossi.com (Darren Alex Griffiths)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: Vincennes/Bush's UN speech
Date: 15 Oct 1992 18:37:34 -0700
Organization: Open Systems Solutions Inc.
NNTP-Posting-Host: nasty.ossi.com
Keywords: Vincennes,Bush,UN,Iranian territorial waters,Airbus flightpath

patricka@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Patrick Anderson) writes:


>Is it true that the Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters
>and the airbus was within a civilian flightpath?

It sure is.  The captain of the ship revealed this a few months ago.

>Is it true that VP Bush told the UN that the Vincennes was not in
>territorial waters and the airbus was not in a civilian flightpath.

Yep, he did. 


   Cheers,
     --dag
From: mike@huevos.ma.utexas.edu (Mike Sullivan)
Subject: Re: ABORTION: WHEN Does Human Life BEGIN?
Organization: University of Texas at Austin Mathematics
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 04:23:11 GMT

McElwaine's point about the "breath of life"  reference is interesting,
though not conclusive.  The ARUA stuff is a lot of new age crap.  

A point I would add is that if a soul becomes associated with the body
at conception, then identical twins would share the same soul.  (This
is assuming a soul in the Western sense: unique and indivisable.)

Mike Sullivan
mike@math.utexas.edu

Xref: sparky alt.activism:17402 talk.politics.drugs:6726 talk.politics.guns:22015
From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Watch LaRouche ON TV
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:54:07 GMT
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

	Will this be live from jail?  


Newsgroups: alt.activism
From: taw57465@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Nitzer )
Subject: test.......sorrry
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 14:15:17 GMT

This is only a test sorry.....
This is only a test sorry.....
From: mcgredo@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Don McGregor)
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Cuban Human Rights in action
Summary: This is superior?
Date: 15 Oct 92 16:16:07 GMT
Followup-To: alt.activism.d
Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept.


From the WSJ, Tuesday, Oct 13, P. A16:

Cuba arrested a human-rights activist and political dissident, another sign
that it continues to resist moves toward democracy that have swept thorugh the 
communist world, analysts said,  Elizardo Sanchez, president of the Cuban
Commision for Human Rights and National Reconciliation, was detained
Friday night.

Mr. Sanchez, a former Marxist philosophy professor, advocates peaceful 
democratization an opposes the US trade embargo of Cuba.  Since 1980, he
has been imprisoned more than eight years for political reasons.

Ramon Cernuda, who represents Mr. Sanchez's group in the US, said Cuba may 
accuse Mr. Sanchez of economic crimes, such as black-market dealing.  He
said a witness reported that police confiscated typewriters and tape
recorders, and objects donated by sympathizers.

Mr. Sanchez's detention follows the recent political disgrace of Carlos
Aldana, the Cuban Communist Party's third most powerful official.  Some
Cuba specialists velieve Mr. Sanchez was allowed to operate his small
human-rights group under Mr. Aldana's protection.

-- 
Don McGregor             | "I..I blame society.  Society made me  
mcgredo@prism.cs.orst.edu|  what I am."
Newsgroups: alt.activism,bit.listserv.politics
Subject: Debate 2: Why did Bush look at his watch 3 times?
Supersedes: <92290.035819U45458@uicvm.uic.edu>
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Friday, 16 Oct 1992 03:59:25 CDT
From: <U45458@uicvm.uic.edu>

Answer:  Because he finally realized that "It's TIME for HIM to GO!"

.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.
Move along...he's not the president you're looking for.
U45458@UICVM
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.news-media
From: durquhar@fraser.sfu.ca (Donald Brian Urquhart)
Subject: media activism
Summary: seeking information on alternative media sources
Keywords: activism, media, counter-hegemonic, democratization
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 20:54:48 GMT

Help ! Do you know of any alternative media groups in your area ??

I am conducting research into counter-hegemonic media activism in civil society looking specifically at popular activism towards the media. This includes the
political communications practices of critical social movements,
ad hoc campaigns, alternative media, etc. 

If you are aware of any of the following groups I would appreciate any
information you can give me, including: name, address, phone, email,and a brief blurb on what they are about, etc. I am looking at the United States, Canada and the UK - primarily New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Toronto,
Vancouver and London (UK) - but any others would be useful as well.

	* public access media
	* political / cultural alternative media
	* distribution networks for such media
	* media resource centres
	* media monitoring and 'watchdog' institutions
	* ad hoc campaigns intended to influence dominant media
	* progressive policy advocacy groups

Please email any info to: durquhar@sfu.ca 
Many thanks in advance...
             -  Don Urquhart -
From: pdchapin@unix.amherst.edu (PAUL D CHAPIN)
Subject: Re: **** ANOTHER COVER-UP - Please read this... ****
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 18:12:36 GMT

 (jac54@cas.org) wrote:
: 	Evidently, the U.S. was paying the Soviets to arm the
: 	Iraqis :-)
: 
: 	Alec Chambers.

I think that the usual claim is that by looking the other way during some
dubious transactions, particularly grain deals, we help arrange financing
for Iranian weapons.  The only cases I know of where it's claimed that
significant purchases were made in the U.S. are for industrial equipment
needed for the chemical and nuclear programs.  These wouldn't show up in
any weapons list.  I also don't think that the administration even denies
that some bad decisions were made in doing this, just that they weren't
illegal.
From: jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: Re: TOBACCO ADVERTISEMENTS ON TV?
Date: 11 Oct 92 03:03:37 -0500

In article <1992Oct10.023134.1756@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
> In article <1b410lINN6rp@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, an683@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Dean C. Gelston) writes:
>> (USA)
>> 
>> 	Should tobacco manufactures continue to sponsor sports 
>> events that are on television and pay movie production 
>> companies to display their products in movies that will 
>> eventually be on television?
> 
> 	I fear I hear the whine of totalitarianism here. Tobacco
> 	companies have just as much right to advertize their 
> 	product in its best light as do auto companies, laundry
> 	soap companies or even MTV. If you feel something is
> 	lacking, you are welcome to create alternate commercials
> 	bearing your point of view. 
> 
> 	It is well known that tobacco consumers have been singled
> 	out to be the new 'niggers' of the 90s. The stats linking
> 	random smoke to physical danger could just have easily been

I have recieved personal mail on this subject, although it should
have been writ so that all could comment ...

The writer feels that personal dangers to health and wealth are
deserving of governmental interference. While I would agree wiht
this if the danger were thrust opon one totally without choice,
I cannot agree with such sentiments when applied to something that
is a totally personal choice.

I was asked whether cocaine sellers should be able to front 
commercial that make their product appealing to ten year olds.
Alas, the answer is *yes*. I reject the protectionist paradigm
and embrace the cause of freedom. Individual freedom is still
a very rare item in this world. Even if some individuals suffer
from errant choices, the overall theme of freedom, its total
value, is more important. 

The overall impact of a few teenage coke-heads or nicotine
addicts is negligible. The impact of state-sponsored bigotry
against unpopular groups is very severe. Carefully evaluate
your own personal habits and beliefs ... are they totally
secure against the wants of puritian extremists or self-interested
political entities ? If active discrimination, in the name of
the 'public good' is allowable against one group - then it is
allowable against others. How safe are you ?

A vision of social order that cannot tolerate the impact of
a little sex, drugs & rock-n-roll is an inferior social
vision and deserved to be destroyed.

Take the plunge. Realize that freedom is not an entirely safe and
orderly proposition. Some will suffer, some will die - but the
overall idea of maximum individual choice and power is what
seperates up from all those piss-ant dictatorships so
prevalent in our world. Accept the risks.

-- Jim
-- Freedom is Risk 
Newsgroups: alt.activism,alt.censorship,soc.college,talk.politics.misc,alt.atheism
From: JPY101@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism
Subject: What was Sunday Bloody Sunday?
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:40:03 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

What exactly was Sunday Bloody Sunday?  Any info you have would help for
my report.
                   JPY101@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Springtime for Honecker (part II)
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 02:43:53 GMT


>Local Contact: Steve Dasbach, David Carr - 314-330-2018
>October 11, 1992
>4:30 PM CST
>                  LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE ARRESTED, BEATEN


>St. Louis -- Robert Stockhausen, District 3 Congressional Candidate of the
>Libertarian Party, was arrested at approximately 4pm CST for taking
>pictures of Marrou supporters from beyond a police line.
>Nearly a dozen armed officers brutalized Mr. Stockhausen spraying him
>with mace, kicking him and dragging him across the ground.
>Stockhausen, a family man with a wife and five children, considers himself a
>pacifist and did not resist.
>Over two hundred supporters of Libertarian Presidential Candidate Andre
>Marrou are participating in a demonstration in St. Louis to protest
>Marrou's exclusion from the debates.  Marrou is on the ballot in all fifty
>states DC and Guam.
>                                - END -


Can you come up with some documentation for this?
Newsgroups: alt.activism,talk.politics.drugs,talk.politics.guns,alt.politics.elections
From: n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio)
Subject: Re: Springtime for Honecker (part I)
Organization: Western Washington University
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 21:24:59 GMT

fist@iscp.Bellcore.COM (Richard Pierson) writes:

>Why was he barred, bad breath, no deodorant...wasnt dressed
>to PC standards...why ?

Unless the original poster can provide some substantiation
for the stories that Marrou was barred from his CSPAN interview
and that a Lib. congressional candidate was beaten by the St. Louis
Police, then we have no choice but to assume that the stories are
false.

Jim Del Vecchio
Newsgroups: alt.activism,sci.med