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From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Subject: Re: Ley Lines and an open letter to John Winston
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 15:30:56 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <l9ao39INN4ba@male.EBay.Sun.COM> noone@all writes:
>
an atmosphere???  
        John, it works something like this.  In the real world, most people 
have
 unusual beliefs, thoughts and ideas.  It's good to talk about them, but you 
nee
d to find the proper audience.>
>
I must point out the name of the group is alt.alien.VISITORS, so blow it
out your ear. JW has every right to post his stuff here.

Just because your "reality" is much too "in a 3 dimensional rut" to 
imagine the posibility of life in other dimensional forms, or that
does not mind a few million degrees farenhieght, or even may not be of
a material form as we usually think of life, does not mean that we
can define the rest of the universe FOR the rest of the universe and
proclaim all else other than our own form NON-LIFE.

And that goes for the possibility of life within planets as well, perhaps
even our own. But for those that have limited imagination, this
probably falls on deaf ears...
Jeff-


Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rscott@spock.NMSU.Edu (Joseph Good)
Subject: Re: Angels and other things.
Organization: New Mexico State University
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 23:39:08 GMT

Titanium Knight writes
> jim@apsicc.aps.edu (frost...) writes:
> 
> > Hello all,
> >   How about generating a litle discussion on a topic I haven't seen in
> > this group since I started following it. What do you netters think
> > about the so called 'Angel Hair' that has been found at various locations
> > around the world. People have taken samples of this only to find that
> > when they check their containers or whatever they put the stuff in that
> > it has disappeared. The explanations I have heard have run from spider
> > webs to chaff (which doesn't disappear) to material ejected or left
> > behind by UFO's.
>  
> Nothing out of this world at all.  I know the USAF (?) uses this stuff to
> apparently screw up radar, or something like that.  It's just that the 
> public dosen't know about it, and it's supposed to be secret.  Atleast
> that's what I've been told (to keep it secret).  But it was a long time
> ago and I can't remember all the details.  Too late now!  :-)
>  
> Titan
> 
> ;--- (Titanium Knight) a user of sys6626, running waffle 1.64
> ;E-mail: titan@sys6626.bison.mb.ca
> ;system 6626: 63 point west drive, winnipeg manitoba canada R3T 5G8

I'm probably a little behind on the times a bit, but isn't the chaff used just  
a type of shreaded foil?  The metalic threads were needed to screw with radar  
and head signals and stuff like that...

But, if the stuff you're talking about is 'secret', then that explains why I  
don't know what I"m talking about anyway..  :)

--

Joseph Good
+-------------------+ - More than just a band....
| Green Dot Brigade | - It's a whole damn army of dots...
+-------------------+ - And we've declared war on the 7-Up dots...

rscott@nmsu.edu (NeXT mail welcome!!) (main account)

atlantis@acca.nmsu.edu  (Just plain ol' Unix) (seldom used)
From: Jeremy_Reimer@mindlink.bc.ca (Jeremy Reimer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: INVASION!!!
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:58:12 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

Sheesh... I know it may sound heartless and cruel and all...

But why, if we have mental patients posting to the net, can't we have any
INTERESTING mental patients posting to the net?  I mean, where are the Van
Goghs of this century, creating brilliant works of art through tortured
minds...  This stuff reads like low-grade science-fiction.

I guess it says something about the times we live in...


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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith)
Subject: Stealth UFO or something?
Keywords: I don't know
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 07:22:35 GMT

Hello Anybody,

Just thought I would share another strange experience with you all tonight
since I'm still here.

It's very short so please don't expect much more than what I have to say.

I was working at Hewelett Packard(Cupertino Site) at the time,about 4 years
ago  I was outside having a smoke on the east end of building 44....like
anyone knows where this is.I really don't remember what time of year it was
but I do remember it was warm,might have been spring. I was facing east
just looking up at the sky thinking about the next task for the day
was,when I noticed almost directly over my head,motion.

What I thought it looked like at the time was a V-formation of invisible
ducks.
I saw what looked like a forward moving V(moving approx.north to south)
that only had like a heat distortion outline in the shape of a V. I follwed
it for about 15 seconds across the sky,it was moving relatively slow,it
didn't make a sound.Never saw one again. Unfortunately nobody else was
around to confirm what I saw.

What was it?

It sure wasn't a piece of lint on my eye.or swamp gas,or a hallucination. I
wouldn't last too long in Network Analysis/Troubleshooting game with having
a tweaked mind.Figured I'd head off you schleptics before you have your
little fun,& I do mean little.


Rod
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic,alt.paranormal
From: vu0208@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (!)
Subject: Re: physical evidence
Organization: State University of New York at Binghamton
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 23:42:00 GMT


In article <cass8806.163@elan.glassboro.edu, cass8806@elan.glassboro.edu (KYLE CASSIDY) writes:

> In article <1992Aug9.015509.12070@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu gburton@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Garland O Burton) writes:
>>
>> there are folks whom i tell of the abduction/eti/ufo phenom...
>> they say "show us the physical evidence."
>> can anyone suggest any?
>> capture an alien.

>Any one capable of building an interstellar craft will be able to build other
>smaller artifacts that are clearly beyond our ability to make. For instance a
>lap top computer given to an abductee in 1955 would have been very credible
>physical evidence. Now of course you will have to come up with something fancier
>than a lap top computer.  


Wow... you are proving my threory!! that some people among us are
aliens who have been able to make the laptops and all those tiny
chips!


BTW, there was a movie a while ago "Intruders" in which a sensor-type
material was implanted in the nose of one of the female abductees,
which was surgically taken out and found by the doctors as of alien
origin...later it was told in the movie that this implant had itself
disintigrated in the lab and vanished!!! :(

You may ask that doctor (friends of Budd Hopkins) that if he did any
analysis and kept the record of it. I guess not.
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: physical evidence
Date: 17 Aug 92 18:37:38 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <Bt52oJ.6vy@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
>
>  Look, when I lived in Boston I had a neighbor who wore aluminum
>  foil because the aliens were "beaming thoughts into his head".
>  (Frankly I wish they would beam some thoughts into some of the
>  heads in this newsgroup).  In the absence of any evidence the nutty
>  things that this lady of my neighbor *say* is not too enlightening.
>
>  These excuses about why nobody gets physical evidence of "abductions"
>  are just a little too convenient -- sort of like the Christian Fundy's
>  excuses for fossils, carbon dating and other evidence which appears
>  to make the world seem older than 6000 years: being God, He made the 
>  fossils and other evidence too.  
>
>  Excuses, excuses.
>                   
>
>---peter
>
Actually, if the implants Dr. John Mack has to turn out to be, we won't be having
these types of pointless discussions anymore...

What do you want? Photo's? You claim they're faked. Metal from the ship?
It's turned up before, but seems to be lost now if the government gets
wind of it. The only reason we don't have lots of evedence is because your
and my taxes go to suppressing it.

IF the Corona crash went to court, you could prove it happened. Lots of people
get locked away for life on far less evidence.
Jeff-
>
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:5615 talk.bizarre:25679
From: reese@vax.oxford.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: July 4, 1992 - Global Spiritual Independence Day
Date: 12 Aug 92 17:25:29 GMT
Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620

In article <63859@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes:
> Dear Rock Watchers: Dr. Demonde has found that rocks from around the globe
> breathe, but just one inhalation can take anywhere from three days to 
> two weeks. They have also found that rocks also show signs of brain 
> activity. Some scientist say they are impressed with the data. In a speech
> that the Doctor gave to a group of fellow biologists last month he said
> that we recognize that  our findings are startling, and we need as much
> additional information as possible to back up our work.
> So, that's it folks. I think I'll name my rock Lurch.
> John Winston.

No, this is my favourite posting of the week after all.

Jason
From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Ley Lines
Date: 21 Aug 92 21:11:56 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation


Fun is fun, John, but enough is enough!

In article <64357@cup.portal.com>, John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com writes...
>     The  Sun is a world like any  other except it's very big.  There's 
>     no fire on its surface, no more than on the Earth or any 
>     other planet.  In fact, even less, because it's  a very old
>     world and it's cooling process is greater.  The humanity is similar
>     to Earth except lighter and taller, and more advanced in know-
>     ledge.

Please explain how the "humanity" holds itself upright against the Sun's
gravity. Explain why you believe the Sun is older than the Earth.

>             The Sun has its own self-lighted light,reflected by 
>     the light of the spirits.  It attracts its light from the other
>     solar systems.

These two sentences are contradictory. Which is it?

>             Imagine a huge magnifying glass in the universe.  This 
>     magnifying glass is an atmospheric layer between the Sun and 
>     the planets.  It works something like this; The Sun emits
>     energy rays, and when they hit this atmospheric  layer, they 
>     ignite into fire and light.  At a given point in the universe,
>     there is a cosmic layer between the planets and the Sun.

Explain the Sun's gravitational pull, since you alledge it's hollow. Explain
the Solar neutrinos, which require a nuclear reaction. Explain the source of
the "energy rays". Explain how the "atmospheric layer" remains intact, hovering
"between the Sun and the planets", unbounded by anything. Explain why the
intense radiation from this "layer" only propagates outward, and not down onto
the "humanity" - radiation intense enough to sunburn you from 93,000,000 miles
away.

>             This information agrees a great deal with a lot of 
>     other information that has come to me except the Sun may consist
>     of abhout 11 different worlds that rotate  and cause the dif-
>     ferent cycles of the Sun spots.  I'm still open to new infor-
>     mation.  

Explain why the bodies of the Solar System are gravitationally attracted to one
center of mass, and not to the (presumably moving) center of mass of these 11
worlds. Explain why the 11 worlds have not tidally disrupted each other due to
their density and close proximity.

As someone else asked, do you believe every single thing you ever hear or read,
without question, or what?

-Tom R.   randolph@est.enet.dec.com
From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: So much romanticism. Its bullshit. bout time we faced facts.
Date: 18 Aug 92 09:10:48 GMT
Organization: University of South Australia


One or two me remember me from alt.atheism and my
comment about *the wanker* and his beloved uranium. Go read it the
come back, if you havent already.
(edt sux)
The proof of the existence of aliens I was referring to,
it's us, naturally. This one should be inAlt.athiemsXXXXX
alt.atheism too, but my editor sux and I am just getting
the hang of this.
anyway, why should one insignificant planet near one
insignificant star etc etc etc one can only surmnise
that aliens do exist and the proof is our own existance.
Whats this got to do with alt.altheism? I ma not so closed-minded
tthink that we DEFINETLY WERENt created, but I
refuse to believe that a single evelasting allpowerful
entiytytyXX entity would create a tiny planet etc for the
simple (and romanticaly cute) reason of love. I do beliebe
that there is every possibility that we are the ceation of
another race of beings, types just as fallible as every other
living thing I've met. There's proof for that too! Our
very own scientists are capable of creating totally new lifeforms from old
ones,
(kinda blows out that stupid argument about the bird and a plane &
their complexity).


Aliens do exist. They probably have been here before, and if they are around at
the
moment, I think they are having a basll laughing at our antics and questions
about their existance.

Also, for what possible reason would aliens with superior technology
always go straight for hte AAmerican guvmint, hmmmm? Why not Brittish ,
Australian etc, 
and what possible reason would our governments have for concealing it.(to get
here implies superior technology)

Anyway, I don't really care if aliens exist or not provided it doesnt
affect my daily alife, and at the moment, it doesn't even get a lookin.
From: jflint@ic.sunysb.edu (Jesse Flint)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles
Date: 20 Aug 1992 22:18:58 -0500
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I just had a thought, and was wondering if anyone was thinking in a 
similar vein...

There's a well-documented phenomenon of "marine luminescent wheels", which
are basically huge glowing wheels which are seen at sea, sometimes more
than one wheel at a time (sometimes even spinning in OPPOSITE directions).
It _seems_ to be a natural phenomenon... 

Anyway, I was wondering if crop circles might be a result of a on-land
or atmospheric version of marine wheels. Any opinions?

--Tog

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It's not Jesse's fault! :)   Tog c/o  jflint%libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu@sunysb.edu
Amateur Librarian, Would-Be Terraformer, Cunning Linguist
..eagerly waiting for "Street Fighter II for GameBoy" :) 
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
Subject: Re: THE NATURE OF REALITY
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:07:26 GMT
Organization: TC Telemanagement, Clearwater, FL

According to jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau):
> Simple minds are predisposed to simple answers.

No.  >>Intelligent<< minds are predisposed to simple answers.  It is
the gullible who imagine unproveable complexity behind every event.
-- 
Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT  <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
   "Do Rush place weird subliminal backmasked messages in their songs to
 compel unwilling geeks to commit evil .sig atrocities?"  -- Dean Engelhardt
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: jeffp@netcom.com (Jeff Papineau)
Subject: Re: Tracks of the Unknown.
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 21:58:14 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <memo.578120@cix.compulink.co.uk> asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
>I found  this report of a cattle  mutilation in the Reader's
>Digest -  "Mysteries of the Unknown".   It differs from most
>reports  in  that  tracks  were left behind,   presumably by
>whatever was responsible for the attack.
>
>---
>TRACKS OF THE UNKNOWN
>
>A "mysterious trail of suction-like impressions"  caught the
>attention  of  the  cattle  inspector  and  law  enforcement
>officer investigating a typical case of cattle mutilation in
>        The  June  15  issue  of   _The_Albuquerque_Tribune_
>stated that the indentations were tripodlike, about 4 inches
>in diameter and 28 inches apart from each other.  The tracks
>terminated about 500 feet from the dead animal, according to
>the law officer,  "as if they had landed at that point, gone
>to the cow and then returned to that point."   The day after
>
>Has anyone heard of any other incidents in which tracks have
>been left behind ?
>
>-Sean.
>
>asm332@cix.compulink.co.uk | warlock%spuddy@uknet.ac.uk

 I did'nt really think much of this post when I first saw
it, just didn't sound like anything I WAS AWARE OF (that's
allways a factor in how we interprete reality, isn't it?)

Anyway, last night I was watching a video about UFO's by
ARTHER C. CLARK no less; I think that should tell us
ALL something. (in a word "yes" he does believe
we are currently being visited by ET`s).

anyway, he went into some depth about a man whom had been
abducted by droid like robots that had TRIPOD like 
bodys! I found that VERY interesting, and I thought you
would too. Got the video at Blockbuster, forget the name.
I'm sure they could find it for you.

Jeff-

 The truth is now being revealed to us if we'll only
have the eyes to see...


Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
From: kring@efes.physik.uni-kl.de (Thomas Kettenring)
Subject: Re: Rick Pavek Needs a Flame (was: Crop Circles?)
Organization: FB Physik, Universitaet Kaiserslautern, Germany
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 23:13:04 GMT

In article <3372@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) writes:
>Assertion:  Not all crop circles can be easily explained by 
>the hoaxters.  The crop circles they made don't resemble the majority
>of the crop circles.

Now that's the right way to argue.  You want skeptics to prove that these
crop circles can be made by men too.  Well, *I* can't.  I only have a
plausibility argument.  I know that's invalid and proves nothing.  It goes:
"I don't know how David Copperfield manages to go through the Chinese wall,
but nevertheless I think it's a trick."

>I also find it interesting that interspersed between my posts and
>others' posts there have been some that came forth with data that
>pointed to the conclusion that circles have been created that show
>signs of other-than-human manufacture...  yet these have been oddly
>ignored.  There is obviously a correlation between the amount of
>data needed to prove a point and the willingness of the recipient
>to be believed.

Yes, I think so too.

>Thank you for your opinions.  Once again, you missed the point.

What was the point?  And when did I miss it before?

-- 
--------------thomas kettenring, 2 dan, kaiserslautern, germany---------------
Definition:  Idiot-proof  -  you are idiot-proof when you NEVER flame anybody.
From: jdr@starflight.Corp.Sun.COM (Jon Roland)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 15 Aug 1992 03:08:41 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Distribution: world
Reply-To: jdr@starflight.Corp.Sun.COM
NNTP-Posting-Host: starflight.corp.sun.com

In article 14900@ccu.umanitoba.ca, rutkows@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Chris Rutkowski) writes:
>Several people have explained it, long before the video became
>widely-circulated.  I have a copy.  I share the opinion of many people
>that the object (which is not a white disc at all, but an oblong blob)
>is more likely a piece of paper being tossed about by the wind, hence
>its erratic behaviour and darting in and out among the tops of the
>plants.

There is a problem with this explanation. If it was being tossed by the wind,
so would the crops be, and they were not. It was reported that the wind was
light, steady, and that the object moved against the wind.


---

jdr@starflight.corp.sun.com, starflt@uunet.uu.net
Jon Roland
Starflight Corporation, 1755 E Bayshore Rd #9A,
Redwood City, CA 94063-4142, 415/361-8141
From: John_-_Winston@cup.portal.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: Wanted: Linguist expert
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 07:09:48 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Dear Planet: I just made the mistake of answer your request on the next
article. I hope you don't get as confused as I appear to be.
John Winston.
Xref: sparky alt.alien.visitors:5696 talk.bizarre:26027
From: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: George Herbert Walker Bush is from a Planet far far away
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:24:07 GMT
Reply-To: timpson@acetek.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation



In article <1992Aug14.160124.2552@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:

|>I just heard it from my source, who is beaming down radio waves of pleasant
|>healing frequencies as well as extensive information and news from the star
|>A-13 (as they call it) which is in the constellation Cygnus to us here on
|>earth. Anyway, he confides to me that George Bush is an alien, he came here
|>after being exiled from A-13. He is a reckless egomaniac, and plans to 
|>destroy earth and enslave the entire milky way galaxy.


You need to wrap som aluminume foil arround you head and in your underware to 
protect yourself from the radio waves coming from A-13.  You are absorbing too
many.

Steve Food_for_the_Grays

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