HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Gender difference?
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:20:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk



[Sara Writes:]

>Is this is in your office, or the robot lab?  In the words of Connie 
>Francis: "I wanna robot man, to hold me tight ..."

Erm., sorry to sound a pedant, but if we're talking about anal sex, 
shouldn't *she* be holding the *robot* tight? In a manner of speaking.

>duck<

+---------------------------------------------+--------------------------+
| The more straight people I meet, the more I |cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk|
| love horses....                             |cliveg@cix.compulink.uucp |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: pwiebe@ecst.csuchico.edu (s mandell)
Subject: Re: another unsubtle coming-out idea
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1992 19:43:15 GMT

In article <1992Sep2.142706.3209@sci.kun.nl> janhen@sci.kun.nl (Olaf) writes:
>In article <1992Sep01.173148.5825@ecst.csuchico.edu> pwiebe@ecst.csuchico.edu (s mandell) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep1.150951.19367@sci.kun.nl> Olaf the wild writes:

Steph notices that she's put herself in the middle of TWO Olafs.
Imagine that if you will...

>>>[...]
>
>Right. Except that it's only 2 days and crossing the Channel for a 3rd
>time in one year just might be a little too much. On the other hand,
>some nice and interesting (in the meaning as attached to the Norwich
>conference, of course) ideas to do things afterwards with people in or
>near London just might convince me.
>
Well, I'm sure we could come up with something!

>>Steph (whose kicking herself for not going last year when it was in
>>A'dam)
>
>Several people asked me if I was there, and I regretfully had to tell
>them that I wasn't, because I didn't know it was on. It was only later
>that I realised that I probably didn't know about it because I wasn't
>even out to myself around that time...
>
Ah, yes, I didn't mention that that was my problem as well (as to why I
didn't go... I knew it was on as I had class at the VU, but the thought
of meeting roomfulls of bisexuals all at once while I was trying to
figure myself out, now, that was a bit tooooo much for me at the time.
Eeeeeek!!!!)

Hey, are you going to come up here for a visit?  Do you have pictures
from Norwich?

*hugs*
Steph



Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: NightTalk
Reply-To: elee74l@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:01:50 GMT

>really don't think it would have gone over well.  The thing is that I  
>didn't feel comfortable around them tonight and it got me thinking about  
>what kind of decision I was making and it seems that every time I say I'm  
>bisexual that I'm giving up a part of my life that I enjoy.  That might be  
>hard to understand but it seems hard, for me at least, to live in two  
>worlds.

It takes time to get used to live in 2 diff. worlds.  Like me, I am a
homo-bisexual.  I have 2 best friends.  One of them is a big-time homophobic
freak, and the other is homo-scared (I think.... Well.... he kept telling
me he would NEVER live in S.F. because too many 'wierd' people are living
out there).
As you can guess, no way in hell will I ever come out to them, but I can't
ignore them because we are as close as members of a family.  Well....
a lot closer (HELL a lot closer) than me and my family.

All I am saying is that it is O.K. to hide your identity from  some people.
You don't have to be OUT, only if you really want to be.

>when I was eleven.  It really confused me, to say the lease.  Some things  
>really nerved me like the reference to homosexuality to alcoholism and the  
>phycologist saying that 100% of gay men can't have a monogamist  
>relationship over 5 years (I know this isn't true cause I've seen studies  
>that say the contrary) but it still caused a lot of emotional upsets in  
>me.

Calm down.  Hey!  People need gossips and tabroids (sp) to make money.
As long as you know what's true and what you wanted to believe,
who gives a 'do-do' at what other false references say, Right? (:

>
>I'm 23 (opps I outed my age too *more smiles*) and I was hoping that by  
>now, I could have figured this all out but I haven't.  

Oh.... you are 1 year older than I.  Let me guess, is this your last
year in college?
>
>I needed to get all this out of me.
>

Well... you didn't get everything out.....Hmmmm... except your bear code.
If you don't know what I am talking about, don't worry about it.  (:

>*hugs*
hug back and a grin.


--Ken N.
From: sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 26 Aug 92 18:44:58 GMT
Organization: News Addicts

tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes:

>We've got Pop Tarts now. The Co-Op seems to sell them in the breakfast cereal
>section, 

Wouldn't the top shelf of W.H. Smiths be more appropriate?

>since they're made by Kellogg's. Why couldn't we have Baby Ruth bars
>instead? 

Yuck, no thanks, but I did like those sort of peanut crunch things, hell
I've totally forgotten the name of them.  Not impressed with Graham
crackers or Orios, sorry Ellen and Clive.

Sara
-- 
 >{8-)     Sara Hopkins     (-8}<              _____^__
 Geography Dept.  Edinburgh Uni.  Drummond St. \ OOO/ / The Thing
 Edinburgh,  EH8  9XP,  UK. +44 (0/31) 650 2662 \++/ /   From
 >{8-) sara@geovax.ed.ac.uk (-8}<                \/\/ The Swamp
From: rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: This Weekend
Date: 2 Sep 1992 19:57:06 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association
NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu

In article <1992Sep2.104717.1@oread.cc.ukans.edu> matthew@oread.cc.ukans.edu writes:
->In article <17v3e3INNflg@agate.berkeley.edu>, rsr@soda.berkeley.edu (Roy S. Rapoport) writes:
->> 
->> was my 21st birthday (Anyone want to hug me? *hint*) ... ended up going with
->	I just get to *hug* you?  Roy, I want to do so much *more*!
->

Err, I didn't say you *get* to hug me ... everyone who wants to gets to hug
me regardless of the occasion ... 

I said I'd *like* you to hug me ...

Who said about nothing more? :)

->	He sounds gorgeous--one of those types you'd love
->to think is gay/bi, but alas, isn't.  But this one is bi and really
->wants to meet me (but this is according to my friend April, so it
->really is second-hand).  Yum--I can't wait!

Cool! Tell us more!

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roy S. Rapoport					rsr@ocf.berkeley.edu
Disclaimer:  "It wasn't me!! Must have been a fake posting or something!! I
              would NEVER say something like that!!" 
Xref: sparky soc.bi:11800 alt.polyamory:1154
From: woodhous@latcs3.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi,alt.polyamory
Subject: Re: Bi pamphlet - enough already! 8->
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:40:52 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse) writes:
>>>>>Q. Doesn't being interested in both genders mean they're only half 
>>>>>as interested in either?
>>>>>
>>>>>A. Most Bisexuals will probably say that when they're interested 
>>>>>in someone, they're interested in them 100%. Just like you & I.
>                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>The phrase is another way of saying "Just like normal folk." Of course,
>one shouldn't use a word like "normal" in such a context. An alternative
>phrasing might be something like: "Just like most straight people."
>Still, that's not perfect either. It might be possible to use a
>different type of answer altogether:
>
>	Q. Doesn't being interested in both genders mean they're only
>	half as interested in either?
>
>	A. No. Just because you are attracted to, say, both blondes and
>	brunettes does not mean that you are only half as interested in
>	either.
>
>However, two problems with the above are:
>
>	 (i) "Blondes" and "brunettes" usually refer to women. Rewording
>	     into more gender-neutral language might be necessary.
>	(ii) A lot of people will strongly disagree with the analogy.

   Yes. We had the feeling as we wrote it that it wasn't perfect, but
for the life of us we couldn't come up with anything better. 8-/

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Big numbers
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 18:11:12 GMT

In article <MUFFY.92Sep2094626@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
>In article <BtyK3M.5nv@news.larc.nasa.gov> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes:
>>In article <1992Sep2.131257.11927@midway.uchicago.edu> orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
>>>>No, no, I'm not fickle.  I'm, um, *timesharing my affections. Yeah,
>>>that's it, that's what I'm doing.
>
>>Just as long as you don't start thrashing...
>
>Hey, what's wrong with thrashing?  I myself am a confirmed thrasher, and
>I have never received any complaints, only compliments.  Plus the guy
>who said that they should hook me up to a power grid next time someone
>applied ice to me...*grin*.

Nothing's terribly wrong with it, but in extreme cases, external
restraint is called for <evil grin>.
--scott
From: jclark@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Clark)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 26 Aug 92 19:28:45 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

In article <72mpbg0c@cck.coventry.ac.uk> idx009@cck.coventry.ac.uk (the Crisco Kid) writes:
+
+Hah! *You* get digestive biscuit crumbs under your foreskin and see how
+your sexual appetite dwindles...

Being cut does have it's advantages.. then there is beach sand...sort
of like an emory board (rod..)....
-- 

John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu
From: orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons)
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Organization: Ministry of Skritching
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:52:21 GMT

In article <3187@isgtec.isgtec.com> nigel@isgtec.com (Nigel Burnett) writes:
|OK - this is an Offer You Can't Refuse - all posters to soc.bi that visit
|me in Toronto (Ontario Canada) will be treated to a box of wonderful
|hand-made Belgian chocolate that are made about 2 km from my house.  Of
|course, hugs, cuddles etc etc are included in this offer.

  How close are you to rapid transit?
                __
  david parsons \/ "Toronto has *neat streetcars"
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
Subject: survey of bi women
Reply-To: h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 22:34:26 GMT

Everybody, 
I thought I'd pass this along:

   I am a bisexual woman studying the Coming Out Process in women
   identifying as bisexual for my doctoral dissertation.  The
   study will involve written questionnaires and/or interviews by
   phone and in person.  All responses and participants' identities
   will be kept strictly confidential.  Participation in the study is
   voluntary.  I am looking for a diverse sample of bi women -- all
   ages, racial/ethnic/cultural groups, economic classes, physical
   ability levels, sizes, political views, types of spirituality,
   etc., are welcome.

   Please contact:  Barb Nicely
                    P.O. Box 594
                    Northfield, Ohio 44067


Thanks,

PS - if you want this woman's phone number, please send me (Heather) email.

-- 

- Heather Blair       h431@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: New (? doubtful) thoghts on bi'phobia'
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ltd
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 13:34:41 GMT


In article <emT0PB3w162w@micor.ocunix.on.ca>, panda@micor.ocunix.on.ca (Elizabeth Holden) writes:
> bx304@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jeff Epler) writes:
> > thing.   I'm guilty of the same fault as the one I abhor in others: by 
> > not accepting the sexuality of others as valid, I'm just as bad as one
> > of the many homophobes that seem to prevade this planet.  
> 
> There's a difference here in levels of understanding. Sure, I find it hard 
> (if not impossible) to believe that other people aren't really attracted to 
> both men and women.  But I see they are not, incredible though it may seem. 
> And since I have no confusion (etc.) on the question, there is no reason to 
> believe they do.  
> 
> I don't understand their feelings; I don't share their feelings; but I don't 
> object to their feelings, or deny their feelings, or argue they should feel 
> those feelings or that they misunderstand themselves.  That's the 
> difference.  Just because I wish everybody was bi, doesn't mean that I 
> object because they aren't.
> 
> The danger that may people fall into is that because they don't "understand" 
> another person's sexuality, they think it's bad.

Read a great quote last night from Dr. Maggi Rubenstein from BAON that pretty
much summed up the feeling for me, "If somebody feels really good about who 
they are, they don't feel threatened by what other people are."  I think it's
a cool quote... definitely one to add to one of my .sigs. :)

Elizabeth: have you bought the book yet... I'm 2/3 done and cruising. :)


      __o       Brad Booth                |  Keep on crankin'!
    _`\<,_      Bell-Northern Research    |
   (*)/ (*)     Ottawa, Ontario, Canada   |  "I'm the baby, gotta luv me!"
 ------------   bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca    |        ... Baby, Dinosaurs
From: pflynn@ccvax.ucd.ie (Peter Flynn, Official Muffin-sampler)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Dialects
Date: 2 Sep 92 16:34:46 GMT
Organization: University College Dublin

In article <1992Sep01.083042.15609@microsoft.com>, georgere@microsoft.com (George V. Reilly) writes:
> (Weren't you the one arguing for writing "USA" instead of "US"
> a few days ago? :->)

To be sure, to be sure...but the phrase "US Passport" is so well-engrained
it kinda trips featly off the fingers...

> For those who don't know, if one of your grandparents or
> parents was born in Ireland, you're eligible for Irish
> citizenship.  

NB: "Ireland" means the 26 counties of the republic unless the relevant
relative was born before 1922, in which case the full 32 counties of the
country apply (short pause before the rush of soc.bi readers with Irish
[grand]parentage :-)

///Peter

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: rickc@agora.rain.com (Rick Coates)
Subject: Appeal to authority (was: Re: the "oh" experience)
Organization: Open Communications Forum
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 16:19:31 GMT

elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) writes:

...

>   Gilmartin and Kusisto, 1973, stated that "it is impossible for most

Oh, come on, Elf.  You are usually pretty sensible; quoting sex
'experts' is not sensible.  I can quote Crooks & Bauer (1990) that open
marriages have a high divorce rate and have problems "such as jealousy,
time-sharing difficulties, and resentments".  Do you want to wear that
label?

Who the fuck cares what Gilmartin and Kusisto stated?  Are they a
couple of hot numbers?  Do they care for their partners?  Do they even
*have* partners?

One can find sex experts who will say that anything other than
heterosexual, married, monogamous sex is horrible.  And even more that
will say that any same-sex contact is bad.  And a lot who make it clear
that while it shouldn't be illegal, it's really Not A Good Thing to have
non-standard relationships.

I just took a college course in human sexuality this summer, and I came
away with the feeling that the best experts are the ones who don't try
to make people fit into generalities.  That being true, why bother to
quote them?

[The class was OK; when it came time to share our 'fantasy' homework
(we had written a favorite fantasy the night before, and then read them
in small groups) and I told the group that the fantasy person involved
(I had re-written it to eliminate any gender references) was a guy,
there was a certain 'oh' feeling - they knew I am married and have
kids.]

>   My wife is not 'one of many.'  She is one of one.  Period.  That I

Very good advice.  So talk about *her* and *you*, not what the 'experts'
say.

>         Elf !!!

>Bibliography:
...

Oh, give me a break!

(Ooooh, Elf!!  My, what a *big* *bibliography* you have!)

Here's my bibliography:

	Tell me how long the train's been gone,  James Baldwin

I think it has more truth about sex and relationships than the sex
textbooks.


Rick

rickc@agora.rain.com
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: Disturbed
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 16:27:41 GMT

pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:

>Yeah, there's something quite powerful in choosing to live.
>(Even if it was a reluctant choice in my case.  (I became convinced that
>if I opted out now I'd just have to do this all over again.))

And if you think this life's too tough, there isn't any guarantee that the
next will be better. I recall Philip Jose Farmer putting Captain Sir Richard
Francis Burton on the Suicide Express. Life after life after life, in an
attempt to make the lifegivers sit up, take notice, and haul him in for an
interview |-)  

>I rarely take life for granted as a result.

I fail to see why suicide is so stigmatised, though, unless it's the reason
Donne argues in _Biathanatos_, that the State need its happy little worker
units.

Certainly the State in Britain is quite keen to stop people killing themselves.
I forget if suicide is still illegal (i.e. the will becomes invalid and the
person cannot be buried in consecrated ground - Church and State stuff; they
don't actually prosecute corpses), but euthanasia apologists still haven't
succeeded in their attempts to enable a sharp EXIT.

Though I love sports of air and water, several of which are life-threatening,
and not banned (yet).

Tanaqui

"All democrats object to men being disqualified by accident of birth;
 tradition objects to their being disqualified by accident of death"
                                   G.K. Chesterton _The Ethics of Elfland_

Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: eleanor@cbnews.cb.att.com (eleanor.j.evans)
Subject: Re: The ??? Between Us
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:14:33 GMT
Keywords: *DeFlower* ME will you...

>In article <1992Aug25.000249.18853@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> pclary@carrot.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>|Your wisk is decidedly bigger than mine...

Your wisk is my command??

Piglet
From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: trainspotting
Date: 2 Sep 92 06:39:47 GMT
Organization: Comp Sci, La Trobe Uni, Australia

Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde) writes:
>orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) writes:
>>"Wild-eyed American arrested while trying to hijack
>>Beyer-Garratt from railway museum."  "Melbourne trolley taken for joyride
>>by typical citizen of surviving superpower."  "American run over my
>>Alco C636 while trying to snap pictures of mining train".
>
>"Mysterious hot tub discovered on rapid transit light rail.", "Engine
>driver discovered bound and gagged."

   I'm expecting to leave all sorts of headlines in our wake during
Karina's and my tour of the US in January...

"'Australian sex tourists made me do it', sobs Ms Coe Salzgeber".
"Firefighters called in to rescue an Australian man found bound & naked
on a hot tub deck".
"Chicago police called in to quell sex riot on New Year's Eve. Sources
claim two Australian tourists were highly involved".
"Australian man appears before court on obscenity charges. 'But I wear
a red scarf in my back pocket at home, and never got into this trouble
before', he claims".
"Customs officials were astounded yesterday to uncover a large load of
sexual devices in the luggage of two Australian tourists".

Joe.

  / Joe Woodhouse        / I'm just a sweet bisexual...   / Hello, there.
 / Latrobe University   /    (think - Rocky Horror)      / Threesomes are fun.
/ Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
Xref: sparky soc.bi:11691 alt.polyamory:1125
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: The ??? Between Us
From: pclary@mushroom.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 06:14:43 GMT
Organization: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, CA - aka Barnum & Bailey

orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) wrote...
>In article <17543@autodesk.COM> grant@Autodesk.COM (Grant Hogarth) writes:
>|pclary@carrot.csc.calpoly.edu (Ellen Clary) writes:
>|> orc@usite-next.uchicago.edu (David Parsons) wrote...
>|> >  However, the *Really* *Big* *Whisk*, now that's something that's got
>|> >immediate and practical uses, at least if I can avoid giggling....
>|> Your wisk is decidedly bigger than mine...
>|It is... it's *huge*!!!! :-) (But in proportion...<smirk>)
>|
>|However, Ellen, I think you wisk better than he does...
>|<smile>
>
>   Now, now, you've not had any basis to compare whisking ability.  Yet.

Don't mind Grant... He's just stirring ;-)
<insert ack acks as needed here...>

>|(pauses to wonder how the wisk would work in the hottub...)

It depends what you're going to beat with it.

<duck>
Ellen
From: gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Appreciate Me Now and Avoid the Rush!
Date: 1 Sep 92 21:41:20 GMT
Organization: The IBM PC User Group, UK.

In article <25389@castle.ed.ac.uk> sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
>Mail me if you want stuff, Iseult!  News expires in three days on this
>machine so I'm often way behind (especially now).  However now you've
>jogged my memory some of Scotland's finest chocolate (Duncans of

Say, can anyone play this game?  I'm getting really homesick for
chocolate-walnut fudge from the place on the Royal Mile :-)

G
-- 
Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver)
Subject: Re: hot tubs (was Re: The War Between Us (Long))
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:09:30 GMT

sara@castle.ed.ac.uk (Swamp Thing) writes:
>(Ellen Clary) writes:
>
>>Then there's that sale at Good Vibrations...
>
>A sale??  What do they mean bi having a sale *after* I've left?

They want some merchandise left, dear...

Tanaqui

-- eager to see the STella/Sara pic, but not going to Norwich. Damn.