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From: lishka@dxcern.cern.ch (Christopher Lishka)
Subject: Re: *THE HOT SPOT* Spoilers - Did the ending irritate anyone?
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 10:46:05 GMT

In <1992Aug15.140615.12712@phillip.edu.au> t9014201@phillip.edu.au writes:

	>In article <1992Aug14.154800.9542@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, chucksi@stc.comm.mot.com (Charlie) writes:

	>> Did this ending irritate anyone else out there
	>> (understanding of course, it's just a movie)?


	>Nah..  Not tacked on, it was a plot twist.  I was stunned by
	>it for a moment too, but then I had to grin.  Don was a
	>Sleaze...  a used car salesman, a thief, a sex-maniac.
	>Jennifer was sweet and innocent, and maybe Don was love-stuck
	>by this, but deep down he was still a sleaze.  Maybe he
	>realized that since Virginia was a sleaze too, he would be
	>happier with her.  Makes perfect sense to me.

Not only that, Don Johnson was supposed to be the wisest person in the
film.  He was supposed to be one-up on everyone else.  Yet the ending
showed how Virginia Madsen was actually the sleaziest, wisest person
who *always* got her way, no matter what the costs.  Don's character
realized he was trapped, and I guess just gave in so he could continue
living (as opposed to being stuck in jail for the rest of his life).
My wife and I were actually pretty amazed by the interesting twist,
even though the film was B-movie quality.

For an incredible plot twist at the *very* end of a film, see _After
Dark My Sweet_, based on the novel by Jim Thompson and starring Jason
Patrick, Rachel Ward, and Bruce Dern.  The last few minutes totally
rearrange everything in the film, and you realize that not only were
all of the characters fooled, but so was the entire audience.  It is
an excellent, underrated movie, much better than _The Hot Spot_.

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From: daf31428@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David A. Fleming)
Subject: Re: The Killer on Cinemax
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 04:18:08 GMT

wildman@athena.mit.edu (Timothy Worsley) writes:

>eric@hp-ptp.ptp.hp.com (Eric Tend) writes:
>>Any John Woo fans might want to take note that his super-charged, ultra-
>>violent gangster epic "The Killer" is on Cinemax this month.

>Both dubbed and subtitled versions (I believe the subtitled one will
>be shown on August 26th).

>Unfortunately, it is cropped.  There are some great shots that cease to
>exist when it is viewed on television.  As with any truly great film,
>it can only be fully appreciated in the theater.  Oh well.

>(I saw it twice last weekend here in Cambridge MA at the Brattle
>theater, and got back home in time to catch the second half of the
>dubbed version on Cinemax.  Ugh.)

>rod@cats.ucsc.edu (Rodrick Su) writes:
>>	A unconfirm rumor has it that American remake is in the work
>>with Richard Gere in the role of Jeffery, the killer.  

>Hardly a rumor any more.  Directed by Walter Hill (48 Hours, Extreme
>Prejudice, etc.).  Starring Richard Gere as the killer and Denzel
>Washington as the cop.  I don't know who will play Jenny (perhaps
>JULIA ROBERTS? <gag>).

>Should be hilarious in a pathetic sort of way.

	An american remake?  Oooh, my.  

	BTW, what's the deal with this "Mickey" and "Dumbo" stuff in both
the dubbed and subtitled versions?  I rented the Japanese release of the
film on LD (in Chinese with Japanese subtitles), and _none_ of that dopey
crud was in it.  The cop had already found out the killer's name from Jenny
long before that gun battle of the elder gods, so why?  Anybody know anything
about the person who did the translation?  


						Dave Fleming
						daf31428@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
From: gt4476a@prism.gatech.EDU (Mike Alberghini)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: THREE RIVERS
Date: 16 Aug 92 07:04:37 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <seXQVSe00WBK02v49G@andrew.cmu.edu> tj06+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas J. Joyce) writes:
>
>There's a film currently shooting in Pittsburgh called "Three Rivers".
>It stars Bruce Willis. They've been doing shoots and stunts all over
>town for a while now. However, we're in the midst of a newspaper
>strike here [in Pittsburgh]. Does anyone know anything about this
>movie? Its plot?
>
     It is Bruce as a cop/river man avenging someones death.  Willis is moving
back to the typical action picture after Hudson Hawk and Death Becomes Her.
     


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From: 10726446@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (LAU WAI KUEN)
Subject: Re: Highlander TV Show!
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University 
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 05:15:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.190826.13393@athena.mit.edu> sdeering@athena.mit.edu (Scott E Deering) writes:
>From: sdeering@athena.mit.edu (Scott E Deering)
>Subject: Highlander TV Show!
>Date: 20 Aug 92 19:08:26 GMT
>I just read a little blurb in this weeks TV Guide (Aug 22-28, pp. 5)
>about the new syndicated show Highlander. It will star:
>
>Adrian Paul as the Highlander (he was in the second series of the "War of
>the Worlds" on Fox)
>
>Richard Moll as Slan Quince, his adversary  (he played Bull Shannon on 
>Night Court). The big change is that now he actually has hair and a beard!
>
>That's all I could get from the article folks, sorry! There is a picture
>from the show if you're curious...
>
>-scott deering
>sdeering@athena.mit.edu						<><


  Y'know;  sometimes I get the sinking feeling that I'm dead and
this is hell.
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From: gregde@microsoft.com (Greg Demichillie)
Subject: Re: WOODY ALLEN MOVIES
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:50:34 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Distribution: usa

In article <1992Aug21.153820.21854@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> jor1@hera.uucp (24315-rich) writes:
>
>IMHO, Woody's best movies (in this order) are:
>
>1. Annie Hall
>2. Love and Death
>3. Manhattan
>4. Hannah and Her Sisters
>5. Play It Again, Sam
>6. Sleeper
>7. Bananas
>8. Radio Days

I'd agree with the general content of your list, except for Love and Death.
I thought that the subject matter didn't really lend itself to the kind
of satire Allen was going for.

For the record, my list:

1. Manhattan
2. Hannah and Her Sisters
3. Annie Hall
4. Sleeper
5. Radio Days
6. Crimes and Misdemeanors
7. The Purple Rose of Cairo
8. Zelig 


-Greg

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From: spencer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
Subject: Re: Wayne's World Music Change
Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
Organization: Live Organ Transplants
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:02:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.184246.15727@microware.com>, davely@efim.UUCP (Dave Lyons) writes:
>|> 
>|> In the case of _Wayne's World_ and "Stairway", I doubt the producers even
>|> imagined that they'd *need* to arrange for permission to use four stinking
>|> musical notes.
>
>Recently while watching the video version, I noticed in the credits that they 
>even gave credit to the person who wrote "Happy Birthday."  I guess they 
>didn't want to get bit again.

Actually crediting Happy Birthday is still quite common.  Two women
somewhere wrote it a LONG time ago and the copyright or whatever (I'm
not a lawyer) is still in effect.  Any movie with Happy Birthday will
probably acknowledge it in the credits...

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From: otto@jybox.jyu.fi (Otto J. Makela)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Highlander (was Re: What makes a movie good)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 92 21:09:52 EDT
Organization: Jyvaskyla Electronic Mailbox

bole@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu (Greg Bole) writes:

> Connery shoulda just been a Scotch immortal!!!  *sigh*

Well, at least (drumroll) his *spirit* lives...

Though the awful sequel wasn't worth it.
The only brighter bit in it was the air-travel description.

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From: guru@camelot.bradley.edu (Jerry Whelan)
Subject: Re: the rapture ** spoile
Organization: The Smelly Ditch
Distribution: rec
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 23:59:49 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.042057.20493@walter.cray.com> matt@cray.com (Matthew Marchese) writes:
-} In article <1992Aug8.1489.25636@channel1> "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com> writes:
-} >
-} >     It's the way the movie twists the ideas of faith and religion,
-} >     in much the same way that certain religious fanatics do, that I
-} >     find offensive and downright ridiculous.

	The previews for The Rapture (tacked on to the head of My Own Private
	Idaho) suckered me in to renting it.  While watching the movie I got
	an eerie sense of deja vu (how's that for a cliche?).  When I was a small
	child, I had the opportunity to go to the first 2 parts of an 8 part
	dramatization of the Apocalypse.  As you might suspect, the showings
	were sponsored by a local born-again sect.  The similarties between the
	two films are remarkable.  I'd say the acting in The Rapture was better
	than the BA version, but the ``feel'' of the two movies were the same.
	The ``feel'' being comprised of many things including the way questions
	of faith were addressed (extreme simplicitly, in my opinion ``Why does
	God let people suffer if he is so good?'' is an early high school type
	question) as well as the immoral character suddenly getting the faith
	and a complete set of new morals.  Considering how closely The Rapture
	mimicked the BA movie, I can see it as both extreme irony on the part
	of the writer and director and perhaps an attempt to sway BAs using the
	same form and logical (?) processes that convert people to BAdom.

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From: pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk (Jakob G}rdsted)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: ** ULTIMATE CLASSIC MOVIE BABES ** Who?
Date: 16 Aug 92 00:03:36 GMT
Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark

john@spss.com (John Przyborowski) writes:

>Let's not forget Jodie Foster............

No. Let's forget Jodie Foster. She is a reasonably good actor,
but to put it midly she is not pretty. 

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From: rosner@felix.cs.wisc.edu (Carolyn Rosner)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: REBECCA
Date: 14 Aug 92 19:36:14 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept.

as I recall from the book, DuMaurier does tell us that the second
Mrs. DeWinter's first initial is an "F" (not a very common initial).  
This always made me even MORE curious to find out her first name, 
which is never revealed.
From: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: StarTrek IV mistake
Keywords: StarTrek picture
Date: 19 Aug 92 16:53:45 GMT
Reply-To: bright@nazgul.UUCP (Walter Bright)
Organization: Zortech, Seattle

In article <1992Aug18.015300.21354@m.cs.uiuc.edu> medanic@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ivan Medanic) writes:
/This might have already been discussed but have any of you noticed that when
/Kirk looks at his sons picture on the desk that it is in black and white. I
/find this very funny when you consider how far in the future the setting of
/StarTrek is that they did not use a color picture, when you consider that 
/black and white picture had probably not been produced in over 500 years.

Some people like the "look" of black and white. Just look at all those
B&W videos being made. B&W videotape costs just as much as color :-)
Take a browse through a print shop sometime. They ain't using B&W because
it's cheaper.
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From: sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate)
Subject: Re: fault in BACK to the FUTURE II
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:41:06 GMT

rcoadh@potoroo.co.rmit.oz.AU (Alexander Doktorovich) writes:

>Hi,
>Seing `Back to the FUTURE II' on TV (for the first time) I was impressed
>at the consistency of the events - except for one which really fauls things
>up. 
>When Marty and Doc are in the future, the old Biff steals the DMC, goes to
>the past, gives the Sports Almanac to himself and arrives back.
>Now, if old and younger Biffs were succesful in altering the future, as we
>saw when Marty and Doc arrived back to 1985, then how did the old Biff arrive
>back into the _unchanged_ future?

This would be a wonderful oppurtunity to go into a lot of pseudo-scientific
rationalizing about time travel.  If I had to postulate, I would say that
old Biff had to return to where he came from, even if that place no longer
really exists.  In the strictest sense, once Biff had changed the future,
the world Marty and Doc were in should also have vanished, as should Old
Biff.  The moment young Biff gets the almanac, old Biff ceases to exist,
theoretically.

Thus, when Old Biff returns, he has to go "where he belongs", that is, in
the alternate timeline.  He is out of place anywhere else.   

Of course, a lot of this is hand-waving.  Perhaps the altered future didn't
exist until Doc and Marty went back to look at it.  Like the tree in the
forest, it didn't exist until someone was there to see it.  
                      

>Alex.
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the Executive Mansion; cleaning out the inn's stables.  He notes that the two
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From: tfagerqu@nyx.cs.du.edu (Thomas R. Fagerquist)
Subject: Deborah Foreman
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:38:49 GMT


Greetings from Denver,

I noticed on our pay-per-view channel this month is
Waxwork II.  I ahve not seen it yet and I have a couple
of questions.

Is it any good?  What is the basic plot?  Why isn't
Deborah Foreman playing Sara this time
What is Miss Foreman up to these days.  I haven't
seen her in any movies recently.

Please e-mail me the answers if possible as our
new server here at the Univ. of Denver keeps crashing
and keeps me off the net for extended periods.

Thanks in advance.

Tom
From: t9014201@phillip.edu.au
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: *THE HOT SPOT* Spoilers - Did the ending irritate anyone?
Date: 15 Aug 92 19:06:15 GMT
Organization: RMIT (Bundoora Campus)

In article <1992Aug14.154800.9542@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, chucksi@stc.comm.mot.com (Charlie) writes:
> Jennifer and Don are going to Virginia's house and leave for the Carribean 
> right thereafter, but at Virginia's house she shows a "last will" from her 
> late husband that has all the sordid details Don has committed throughout
> the movie,and she tells Jennifer that Don told her about Jennifer stealing 
> money from  Virginia's husband's company. Abruptly, Jennifer starts tearing
> up, believing this hussy, and leaves the house, then Don resolutely accepts
> his fate as Virginia's boy , end of story ------- 
> 
> All of us sat there in a relative state of anger - not because the whole 
> situation wasn't plausible (though you rooted for Jennifer and Don to take
> off for the Carribean), but the whole damn thing was wrapped in the last 
> five minutes of the movie and it just felt, well....tacked on. Did this 
> ending irritate anyone else out there (understanding of course, it's just 
> a movie)?
> 

Nah..
Not tacked on, it was a plot twist.
I was stunned by it for a moment too, but then I had to grin.
Don was a Sleaze...  a used car salesman, a thief, a sex-maniac.
Jennifer was sweet and innocent, and maybe Don was love-stuck by this, but
deep down he was still a sleaze.  Maybe he realized that since Virginia was a
sleaze too, he would be happier with her.
Makes perfect sense to me.
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From: ccoprdj@prism.gatech.EDU (Jorge Diaz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Re: ** ULTIMATE CLASSIC MOVIE BABES ** Who?
Date: 18 Aug 92 15:33:16 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

In article <80370003@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com> deanc@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Dean Cashen) writes:

>This whole "PC" thing's going drive me nuts.  Is it wrong to *not* use
>the sexist term now?  Or is it wrong *to* use it?  

>Jeez, this is tough. . . !

I don't know.  For the first 20 years of my life, women in film, drama, etc,
were referred to as "actresses".  Women in the military were referred to
as "ma'am" instead of "sir".  Now, I've even heard women referred to with
the title Mr.

What's the deal?  Is it so degrading to women to use a different noun?
Are we going to have to start referring to women with he and his?  Is the
wife of a king going to be reffered to as a king?  Actually, I guess I can't
refer to her (him?) as the "wife", either.  So the husband of a king is a
king (only one has a penis and the other has a vagina).

That makes a lot of sense.  :-/  I've got nothing against women.  In fact,
I'm pretty much a femenist in that I believe that women are equal to men.
But I think it's crazy that we are going to have to re-write the English
language because some people are offended by certain words because they're
"degrading" to women.

Why is this on r.a.m?  I don't know, it's been a slow summer. :-)


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From: royce@splunge.uucp (Royce Howland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Bruce Lee's son?
Date: 21 Aug 92 00:25:41 GMT
Organization: Ashley, Howland & Wood

geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Geoff Bronner) writes:

>In <twong.05z8@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca> twong@nucleus.cuc.ab.ca (Thomas Wong) writes:

>>Now this could be interesting... Brandon Lee (which I assume is son of Bruce
>>Lee) is staring in his own movie due out soon.. The trailers look interesting
>>if you're into these type of movies. 
>> 
>>I wonder if he's as gifted(?) as his father.. charisma and physique-wise..

>Go out and rent "Showdown in Little Tokyo" and judge for yourself.

Brandon also starred in a film called "Laser Mission", which I saw on
video recently.  I don't know if it was ever actually released in
theatres, but it was certainly one of the worst action movies I've ever
seen.  But that wasn't his fault; the story just stunk.

I've seen "Showdown in Little Tokyo" also, and it seemed okay.
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From: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: audience comments dur
Date: 12 Aug 92 21:54:36 EST
Reply-To: "eric walker" <eric.walker@channel1.com>
Distribution: rec
Organization: Channel 1 Communications

GB>going to see _Henry V_ in Williamsburg, Virginia when a friend (as a joke)
GB>said:
GB>          "Henry Five?!?!?!?  I forgot to see the first four!!!"

     Imagine what it would have been like if you saw FAHRENHEIT 451!

     (I mean, 450 sequels!  Yikes!)
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From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Woody Allen / Mia Farrow
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:05:13 GMT
Reply-To: bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU
Organization: Fluent Inc., Lebanon NH

garrem@aix.rpi.edu (Matthew Olsen Garretson) writes:

>At least the TV stations have agreed not to show the video tape in which
>Dylan claims she was abused.

I hadn't heard that Dylan claimed this.  I had only heard that Dylan's 
brother claimed she was abused (apparently Woody used to hug her - GASP!)
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