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From: x90mumtaz@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Re: Predictions , not mine
Date: 22 Jul 92 20:22:05 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Jul22.213241.157523@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, mk0e@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MAHEENDRA BABURAO KASMALKAR) writes:
> 
>>       Yes, Pakistan may have won the BMW trophy, but that
>>       means nothing. In the build up to the Olympic Games
>>       do you honestly think the Euro teams or the Aussies
>>       are NOT going to have any special ideas how to deal
>>       with the Indians or the Pakistanis ? Let alone, do
>>       you think they would quite happily display their entire
>>       match plans for all the opposition to see ?
>>
>>       Any international team of any credibilty will have things
>>       to show an oppostion who they may have played the previous
>>       day, but not in a tournament of such import as the
>>       Olympics.
>>
> 
>>Richard.
> 
>       And do you think Pakistan has nothing up it's sleeve ? Do you think
>       "they happily displayed their entire match plan for all the opposition
>       to see." ?
>       Come on , just as other teams must be having any special ideas to deal
>       with the Indians or the pakistanis , these two teams must also be having
>       some special ideas to deal with the Euro and Aussie teams.
> 
>       Or do you think that only Euro and Aussie teams have the previlege to
>       have special ideas in their buildup to the Olympics ?
> 
> Maheendra Kasmalkar
> 
> 
> 
>       


Well said Maheendra!!!!! 





Atif Mumtaz
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From: rachada@icaen.uiowa.edu (Ramakrishna Chada)
Subject: Re: Predictions , not mine
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:43:31 GMT
Organization: Iowa Computer Aided Engineering Network, University of Iowa

In article <1992Jul22.153718.7983@unislc.uucp> ramana@unislc.uucp (Ramana Ramachandran) writes:
>airdg@castle.ed.ac.uk (Richard Grey) writes:
>: In article <1992Jul21.152121.4663@gw.wmich.edu> x90mumtaz@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>
>[...]
>
>: >that tournament, but non could defeat Pakistan. Therefore PAK stands a very 
>: >good chance of not only getting into the final but also winnig it.
>: >
>: >Atif[ whose views are ALWAYS based on facts] Mumtaz
>: >
>: >E-MAIL: X90MUMTAZ@GW.WMICH.EDU
>: 
>: 	Without meaning to be racist, but there does seem to 
>: 	be mainly Indians and Pakistanis posting to this
>: 	newsgroup, and hence giving their (biased) views that
>: 	their respective teams are going to win 2 out of the
>: 	three medals in Barcelona.
>
>That there are more Indians and pakistanis posting in this group just
>shows our liking for the game !!!. I have not seen any indian "predicting"
>that the Indian team will win a medal (Hoping is an entirely different matter).

Well if you have not seen before here's an Indian predicting that India
would win a medal, if not the gold. India definitely has as much chance
as any other team and if you are to go by its recent performance you
ought to expect a medal. 

And, the theory that the euro and aussie teams have something in store(that 
which they did not want to show in the recent matches), does not seem to 
hold much credence.

>peace 
>ramana [hoping against hope for a gold for India :-) :-)] ramachandran
>ramana@unislc.slc.unisys.com

More peas, 
Ramakrishna [India will win a medal] chada
From: shh@ocf.berkeley.edu (Sajid H. Hakim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: RE: Barcelona Olympics Hockey Scores
Date: 26 Jul 1992 07:40:59 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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From agate!ames!olivea!uunet!mcsun!sun4nl!fwi.uva.nl!dam Sun Jul 26 00:35:11 PDT 1992
Article: 301 of rec.sport.hockey.field
From: dam@fwi.uva.nl (Joris van Dam)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Re: Barcelona Olympics Hockey Scores
Date: 20 Jul 92 15:08:43 GMT
Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam

>I will try to post scores and some comments on the matchups. Dont't be upset

Yayyy! Hurray! Clap,Clap! Atta Boy!


>most comments will be on th eperformance of the Dutch, they are my favourites
         Boooooooo!


>Joris

Sajid
From: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: HELP needed
Date: 24 Jul 92 18:09:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: vms.0095E0CA.10410540
Reply-To: 5912ramasubr@vms.csd.mu.edu
Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services

hi there
can anybody post the captains of all the teams
particiapting in the olympics.
bye,
From: shh@ocf.berkeley.edu (Sajid H. Hakim)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Re: hockey greats
Date: 26 Jul 1992 07:21:05 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
NNTP-Posting-Host: tornado.berkeley.edu

>there's a german player who's an excellent dribbler, I can't remember his
name

I think you are referring to Bloucher (sp?).
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From: obaid@ecf.toronto.edu (OBAID ARIF)
Subject: Re: Olympic schedule
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 05:06:33 GMT

In article <1992Jul26.222613.17636@massey.ac.nz> A.Qadir@massey.ac.nz (A. Qadir) writes:
>Dear hockey enthusiasts,
>
>Here is the final timetable for the mens hockey competition
>of the Games of the XXVth Olympiad.

Here is a correction :

>
>28th July
>09.45	India vs Argentina		Pool A		Pitch 2
>10.15	Unified Team vs Malaysia	Pool B		Pitch 1
>
>16.00	Australia vs Egypt		Pool A		Pitch 1
>17.30	New Zealand vs Malaysia		Pool B		Pitch 2

                    vs Pakistan

>18.00	Spain vs Netherlands		Pool B		Pitch 1
>20.00	Germany vs Great Britain	Pool A		Pitch 1
>

NadeemS

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From: jawad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jawad Ali)
Subject: Re: Astroturf for Field Hockey
Organization: California State University, Chico
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1992 06:50:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul24.180641.22004@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com> rpendse@velveeta.mfg.hou.compaq.com (Raju Pendse) writes:
>Is there any rule in the FIH regarding playing all world cup and olympic matchesonly on astroturf. On a related note does anybody reading this newsgroup have any idea as to how much it costs to install an astroturf field and then maintain
>it properly. Ball park figures would do. 
>

I remember that when the Hockey Club of Pakistan got its artificial turf in the
70's the figure mentioned was $6 million.  But that's government of Pakistan
figure.  :-)

j n a
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Thursday, 30 Jul 1992 11:56:37 MST
From: Nauman Mysorewala. <PAKEDITR@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject:    Olympic Mens Hockey REsults for July 30th 12:00 MST

               Summer Olympics '92
                 Mens Field Hockey
                   July 30, 1992

                  Point Table

Pool A          M  W  L  T  G AG Pts

Australia       3  2  0  1 12  1  5
Germany         3  2  0  1  5  0  5
Britian         3  2  1  0  5  3  4
India           3  1  2  0  2  6  2
Argentina       3  1  2  0  1  8  2
Egypt           3  0  3  0  1  8  0


Pool B          M  W  L  T  G AG Pts

Netherlands     3  3  0  0 12  3  6
Pakistan        3  3  0  0 11  2  6
Spain           2  1  1  0  5  3  2
Unified         3  1  2  0 10  8  2
New Zealand     3  0  3  0  3  6  0
Malaysia        2  0  2  0  4 11  0


Game Results

July 26th

Won          G    Los          G

Pool A
Australia    7    Argentina    0
Britian      2    Egypt        0
Germany      3    India        0

Pool B
Netherlands  5    Unified      2
Pakistan     4    Malaysia     1
Spain        3    New Zealand  0


July 28th

Won          G    Los          G

Pool A
Australia    5    Egypt        1
Germany      2    Britian      0
India        1    Argentina    0

Pool B
Netherlands  3    Spain        2
Pakistan     1    New Zealand  0
Unified      7    Malaysia     3


July 30th

Won          G    Los          G

Pool A
Australia (T 1    Germany      1
Argentina    1    Egypt        0
Britian      3    India        1


Pool B
Netherlands  4    New Zealand  3
Pakistan     6    Unified      2
Spain             Malaysia        Still Waiting for results
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From: sougata@cc.gatech.edu (Sougata Mukherjea)
Subject: The same story again
Reply-To: sougata@cc.gatech.edu
Organization: College of Computing
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 18:46:02 GMT

Isn't the situation all too familiar?
Indian hockey team plays well before a major tournament (in some meaningless matches) and the cries arise "India is back to its glory days", "Indian team will win the gold", etc. 
Who were the guys who were arguing in the net about the Indian team?
My only question to them is "Have you learnt your lesson now or will you gain 
start singing the praise of the Indian team before the next World Cup ???"

- Sougata [have learnt my lesson a long time back].


==============================================================================	
Sougata Mukherjea (sougata@cc.gatech.edu)
Graphics Visualization and Usability Center
College of Computing
Georgia Institute of Technology 
=============================================================================
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From: bholu@nyx.cs.du.edu (  Bholu)
Subject: India vs GB
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 10:52:39 GMT


The match began with both teams trying to settle into a rythm and
there was no serious challenge in the first 10 min by either
team.  Kerly then broke through from the left and earned a free 
hit just outside the Indian D when he was checked but the hit 
wasn't taken properly. Shortly after that GB earned its 1st PC 
when an ineffective clearnace from the Indian rt. back saw GB 
take possession on top of the D, followed by a swift pass into 
the D and then a foul by one of the Indian players. The PC was 
converted by Hill when he sent in a strong flick into the middle 
of the net.  India counter-attacked and earned a PC but it was 
saved  by the GB goalkeeper. India earned a 2nd PC following a 
move b/w Jagbir Singh and Shakeel Ahmed on the lt. flank but 
could not capitalize on it. Just before half-time India earned a 
third PC but a poorly executed attempt to flick the ball in saw 
another opportunity go down. Half-time 1-0 to GB.

The second half started at a fast pace and once again Murgesh 
Kumar and Felix combined well on the rt. for Murgesh to send in a 
beautiful cross from the Gb baseline but none of the 3 forwards 
could take advantage of it. Two substitutions; one each by India 
and GB. Free hit on the left side near the GB D was taken by 
Pargat and Pillay connected but the shot was saved. Another move 
from the rt. won a long corner for India. Pargat's strong hit 
into the GB D was deflected off a GB player's stick and Felix 
quickly picked up the free ball and with a strong push sent it 
across into the left corner of the goal. 1-1. Kerly then broke 
through taking advantage of a defensive lapse but his shot missed 
the left post by inches. GB then reversed the pressure. The rt 
winger managed to get past the Indian backs and pass it to Kerly 
who deflected it into the far side of the goal as the GK came out 
to meet the GB forward. 2-1 to GB. Another burst from the rt 
flank for GB and the ball was passed to Thompson who was left 
unmarked and he swiftly put the ball into the roof of the goal. 
3-1 to GB and 8-10 min of play left. The Indians then missed 
another PC, their 4th. A 5th PC was awarded to India but with 
only 1 1/2 min remaining India had lost the match. The 5th PC led 
to another PC and that to yet another one but the hooter sounded 
before it could be taken. Final score GB 3, India 1.
From: mk0e@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (MAHEENDRA BABURAO KASMALKAR)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey.field
Subject: Re: Predictions , not mine
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:32:41 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


>       Yes, Pakistan may have won the BMW trophy, but that
>       means nothing. In the build up to the Olympic Games
>       do you honestly think the Euro teams or the Aussies
>       are NOT going to have any special ideas how to deal
>       with the Indians or the Pakistanis ? Let alone, do
>       you think they would quite happily display their entire
>       match plans for all the opposition to see ?
>
>       Any international team of any credibilty will have things
>       to show an oppostion who they may have played the previous
>       day, but not in a tournament of such import as the
>       Olympics.
>

>Richard.

      And do you think Pakistan has nothing up it's sleeve ? Do you think
      "they happily displayed their entire match plan for all the opposition
      to see." ?
      Come on , just as other teams must be having any special ideas to deal
      with the Indians or the pakistanis , these two teams must also be having
      some special ideas to deal with the Euro and Aussie teams.

      Or do you think that only Euro and Aussie teams have the previlege to
      have special ideas in their buildup to the Olympics ?

Maheendra Kasmalkar



      
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From: psycho@brtpa25.bnr.ca (Paul Jezioranski)
Subject: Re: Olympics in 199?
Reply-To: psycho@brtpa25.bnr.ca (Paul Jezioranski)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 12:17:09 GMT

In article <324@wavefront.wti.com>, matthew@wavefront.wti.com (Matthew
Coohill) writes:
> 	Does anyone know where and when the next winter olympics are
>   to be held???
> 
> 	A friend of mine has informed me that they will be staggering
>   the summer and winter Olympics and that the next winter Olympics will
>   occur in 1994.  Maybe he's pulling my leg, but could someone reply
>   to me at r.s.h. or my e-mail address to confirm or deny this.

	Your friend is correct. The 1994 Winter Olympics will be held in
Lillehammer, Norway. The following Winter Olympics will be held in 1998
at a site that, I believe, has yet to be determined.

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From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)
Subject: Re: Renegotiation
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:07:24 GMT

In article <3419@blue.cis.pitt.edu.UUCP> jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R. Mcdonald) writes:
>In article <MeLcc7200Uh_M71ZVd@andrew.cmu.edu> pr0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Pravin Devineni Ratnam) writes:
>>Isn't it amazing that baseball stars like Ricky Henderson and Barry
>>Bonds are called greedy and selfish for asking for more money , while
>>not one person criticised Barasso and Jagr of being greedy for demanding
>>renegotiated contracts? I am not saying that Barasso doesn't deserve a
>>million dollars. Also, I am sure Jagr deserves a gigantic raise once his
>>contract is up. But when you sign a contract, a deal's a deal. 
>
>The difference is, when Barrasso and Jagr are offered generous and fair
>deals, they will sign.  If the Bucs offer Bonds $30 Million for 5 years he
>will hold out for $35 Million because he knows that some other team will
>come up with the cash.  

Barasso and Jagr will sign because they don't have the option of having
some other team come up with the cash.  

Sherri Nichols
snichols@adobe.com


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From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
Subject: Re: Pens coach-No news is...
Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:56:58 GMT

In article <IePJQBa00WBK01UWMX@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Here's additional non-news to Lori's non-news:
>
>This comes from the 7/21/92 Pgh Post Gazette NEWSFAX:
>
>"A rumor making the rounds is that Scotty Bowman has told the Penguins'
>front office he does not wish to coach again.  The rumor is false.  What
>Bowman has indicated is that he does not want to return to the bench unless
>he is one of the highest paid coaches in the National Hockey League.
>
>Whether that is a distinction without a difference remains to be seen.
>If he does not coach, Bowman will go back to the front office and resume
>the role of Craig Patrick's right-hand man."
>
>Well, if your team is filled with prima donnas your coach might as well
>be one, too.
>

Bowman doesn't have a contract for coaching...he stepped in in an
emergency situation last year into the toughest job in hockey last
year and saved the Penguins from becoming one-year wonders...he
didn't ask for money then...he was the loyal organization man
stepping into the void sacrificing his family life for the good of
the team.  Now he only wants to be paid fair value for his
coaching abilities.  If Burns is worth half-a-million a year,
fair market value for Bowman's services is at least that...and
probably double that.

Gerald
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From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down)
Subject: Re: fighting in hockey (or any sport)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 22 Jul 92 16:49:29 GMT

yadallee@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Dave Shariff Yadallee) writes:

>wilson@cs.ucf.edu (tom wilson) writes:

>>
>> Has Gretzky ever fought? I don't see anyone making him fight. What's the
>> problem? Has Gretzky ever been slashed, crosschecked, etc. There's the
>> problem. Too many people think hockey will become popular (in the US) if
>> fighting is more severely penalized. NOT!
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
>  I do remember way back when  when Gretzky got into a fight with a Minnesota
>high-rank scoring player.  As the announcer put it " A Gentleman's fight."

I didn't know about that one, but I remember when he got into a 
fight with Dave Taylor of the Kings. It was described as "a beating."

He was yapping at Taylor, who finally heard enough
and pounded him. Gretzky commented that "his face was in the wrong
place." Taylor, who was at the top of his game at that time, didn't
receive a visit from Semenko or McSorley later in the game.

Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu)
From: darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Flyers jersey?
Date: 27 Jul 92 23:05:19 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:

> In article <1992Jul24.004524.3354@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, ab870@cleveland.
> Freenet.Edu (Eric Rickin) writes:
> > 
> > I've been so out of it lately, I don't know if I've asked this, but have
> > the flyers changed their road jerseys to Black body and orange
> > shoulders?  I swear I've seen more and more pictures of flyers wearing
> > these uniforms.
> 
> Sounds like the FLYERS practice uniform. I've seen 'em in Showcase
> stores. I haven't heard anything about them changing uniforms, but
> I'm having a tough summer keeping my facts straight so who knows...

Eric is right, but the change hasn't happened yet.  Peter, you might
remember seeing the black-with-orange uniforms worn by the "Flyers
Favourites" team the night before the All-Star Game.  The Flyers plan on
going to these jerseys for the 1993-94 season, I believe (although I see no
reason why they don't just do it now; it's not like the lineup is carved in
stone these days, so they'll have to make more anyhow).

This seems to be the new trend in the NHL, going to black.  I guess we can
blame those fashion-plate Kings (and, subsequently, the Stars).  I
understand that New Jersey is going to black as well, and of course the
Senators road jersey already is.  Getting kind of homogenous, isn't it?

Speaking of the "Flyers Favourites" team...Farwell's supposedly looking for
an experienced NHL goalie to join Roussel and Soderstrom.  Could this be the
return of Peetie???...

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From: am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
Subject: Re: Renegotiation
Date: 23 Jul 92 13:08:21 GMT
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


Daryl Turner writes:

>The point Anna was trying to make is that after one or two good years, you
>see athletes demanding to re-negotiate a SIGNED contract, because they
>are now seen as worth more than when they originally signed that deal.
>We are not talking about a player who plays out his contract, and then for
>the next one, thinks he's worth a big raise.  We're talking about the
>guys that sign a 4 or 5 year deal and suddenly because in year 1 has a
>50 goal/120 point season, says "Pay me more, or I'm not going to play."
>It's become almost accepted in sports that this can happen in the player's
>favor, but heaven help us if the owners tried to reverse re-negotiate a
>contract.  Pick your favorite player that had a bad year...what if the 
>owner said that they were going to pay him less on his signed contract?
>No chance.  

Yes, this is pretty much what I meant.  What if the Pens renegotiate
with Jagr and give him $850,000 next year and he has a lousy year?
If he simply must be rewarded for a great performance last year perhaps
some kind of bonus could be entered into his existing contract -- and
ONLY IF he continues to excel at that.

People keep saying "we never would have won the Cup without _______."
Well, my fill-in-the-blank player for this year is Ron Francis.  Ronnie
got a fat new contract last year.  I think he should demand to
renegotiate now too. :)  This is getting ridiculous.

Lori Iannamico writes:
>And as for players giving money back if they have a bad year, why should they?
>I've worked with people that didn't deserve the salary they made, yet I didn't
>see them returning any money.  Nor did I see them get fired.  So why should
>athletes have to it?

I agree with Lori that if I was a player in a position such as Jagr or
Bonds I'd try to get whatever I could, too.  I've said this myself many
times when this discussion has surfaced.  The players are working
within a system which allows them to operate this way. Chances are, Lori,
you have not worked in such a system.  Most people don't, and that is
the difference.  The people you've worked with probably never got 100%
pay raises either.
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