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From: mark.terka@rose.com (mark terka)
Subject: Grimoir?
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 18:29:20 GMT
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Date Entered: 12-13-92 13:21
I recently came across this translation of an old Grimoir. It sounds like
a sex magic rite related to Thelema, but I'm not too sure. Anyone else
familiar with this?

                      The Most Holy Grimoire.
 
    This Grimoire, which contains the Secret of Secrets not yet revealed,
 was made by the Supreme King O.T.O. Baphomet X  M... himself.


                       Regarding the Temple.

           1.  East     ...............    Altar
           2.  West     ...............    Tablet of god to be invoked
           3.  North    ...............    Priestess {or Priest}
           4.  South    ...............    Fire with thurible. etc.
           5.  Center   ...............    Four-sided Stone with:

             Images of the God
             Most Great, Ineffable, Unspoken Secret
             and with sword, bell, oil
             The Virgin.  Place the image beside the Book Thelema.

  
                    Regarding the First Ceremony.
 
 Let it done be as Book 671 has said, but first let the Virgin be purified
 with the words: "Asperge me..." etc., and put off her garments with the
 words: "Per sanctum Mysterium," etc. Thus is the Pyramid raised.  Then the
 Virgin purifies the priest, and removes his vestments as is above ordained.

    (Here the virgin states the orations of this work of god).

 
                Regarding the Ceremony of the Thurible.
 
    Let the virgin kindle the fire and the priest with her hands, saying:
 
 "Accendat in nobis Dominus ignem sui amoris et flamman aeternae caritatis."
 
 
                 Regarding the Ceremony of Dedication.
 
    The virgin invokes the image of the God Most Huge, Ineffable, Secret, not
 to be spoken of, with these words. --- "Tu qui es prater omnia...x.t.l."
 Neither does she relinquish the other image.
  
 
                     Regarding the Final Sacrifice
 
    Then the priest breaks the silence with the words of the holy versicle of 
 the particular god being invoked
    He enters the Holy of Holies.
    Beware; beware; beware.
    Two who are become ONE sing without interuption, and in high voice,
 the words of the holy versicles.
 
 
 MDNM                  Regarding the Blessing of the Blessing
 
 Having spent the dew, the woman says these words "Quia patris et filii s.s." 
 etc.
 
 
                      Regarding the Final Ceremony
  
 Let it be done as it has been said in Book 671.

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Comments, anyone?

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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: Satan Who?
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 17:23:50 GMT

In article <1fvf6jINNcmo@parsley.csv.warwick.ac.uk> esuqs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr W J Lynn) writes:
>> >
>> >      "Satan" does not exist.
>
>> Recalling from Philosophy...:
> 
>>   God is an all good, all pwoerful, all knowing being
>>   God would therefore be able to destroy any evil in this world...
>>   Evil exists in this world...
>>   ------
>>   God doesn't exist.
> 
>> Reversal also applies... :)
>
>I realise that this may be a joke but i think i had better explain
>why God doesn't destroy all the evil in the world.
>He has given us freewill and wabts us to worship him from our own
>choice. He wants us to do good because it's what we want to do.
>Now then, let me give you an example.
>If you put a child in a completely bare room and tell it not to play
>with the train set. The chanves are that it won't because there isn't
>a train set there for him to play with. Therefore has this child done
>good? 
>If you put him in a room which does have a train set in it, then tell
>it not to play with the train set, and it doesn't, then the child has
>done good. 
>That's is why God cann't destroy all the evil in the world. If he did
>then it would be impossible for us to follow him out of our own 
>freewill.
>
>Oh and reversal doesn't apply, because Satan couldn't destroy God.
>
>Warren.
>--
>

That is your cosmology and you are welcome to it.
but from the Gnostic standpoint, your God is the Achamoth and the 
equivalent to Satan. 
Please remember that we all have differing viewpoints.
Pax
					--Judex--

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Inner Circle
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 14:41:28 -0500


 MW> The Inner Circle has a number of vacancies. We are soliciting
requests
 MW> for admission from adepts and novices alike. An assault on
"traditional"
 MW> values is planned for early next year. New, strong, willing, able
blood
 MW> is needed. A one line bio and statement of intent is all that is
 MW> necessary. Followups are directed to poster.

 MW> mdw


What is The Inner Circle, and how do I contact them?
-Sheryl


Organization: Sophomore, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 23:40:08 -0500 
From: Matthew Keith Egan <me1f+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Demian

Has anyone here read the novel _Demian_ by Herman Hesse?

It makes reference to (among other things) Abraxas.   Would someone tell
me something more about Abraxas (which I doubt I would be able to find
in the library here at school).

Thanks,
Me
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: johnson2202@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: hello
Date: 14 Dec 92 02:24:21 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

Greetings,

        For those of you who want info.  I suggest reading the Nerconomicon,
The Satanic Bible, the bible(any version), and The Necronomicon Spellbook.  I
found most of them to be rather interesting...but low on the kind of thing that
would 'make' you take up a religous choice, or anything such as that... 
Truthfully i found the bible the worst read...very ...preachy.  And that kind
of thing rubs me wrong.  The others, though, seemed more to just present things
and let you decide for yourself.  Much more to my tastes.

        Personally i have found that the more people you talk to the more
confused the sisue can become...  I suggest finding a friend or two and discuss
things with them, and vice versa
....gotta go later, news is going down

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From: locklin@titan.ucc.umass.edu (Lupo the Butcher)
Subject: Re: Oh so worried.
Organization: Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 00:51:54 GMT
X-Posted-From: titan.ucc.umass.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

In article <Bz8xGp.9Hp@unccsun.uncc.edu> jagrizza@uncc.edu writes:
>>The pentagram is an old symbol, meaning various things. Some say the upright
>>pentagram is a stylized symbol of an upright (wo)Man. There is a RUSH album
>>cover that shows this quite well. Supposedly the inverse pentagram is the man
>>with his head downward, not exalted. This is supposed to show how those who
>>dabble in the "Black Arts" have their heads on "earthly matters" rather than 
>>the spiritual longings of "white magick". Milage may vary; I think it is a
>>crock of shit myself. 
>
>ahem.  take a closer look at that RUSH album (the album is 2112, btw).  The red star
>is -not- a pentagram, it's simply a star inside a circle... In a pentagram, the lines
>of the star cross, on that album, they don't.

Ah-FUCKING-Hem!!!
You, my friend, are looking at the wrong album. The one I am thinking of has a
white background with a black pentagram & some Leonardo-daVinci looking
sketches of a man inside. I have the 2112 album; this cover is a takeoff
from the earlier work (which I do not have a cover of, unfortunately) and NOT
the one I was speaking of. 
Better yet, go see their concert; the laser show shows the drawing I speak of
several times...
>
>thank you very much.
>
You are welcome.
-Lupo
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 11:26:16 EST
From: <WCE2@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Demon Possession.
 <Bz8xGp.9Hp@unccsun.uncc.edu>

Concerning whether demon possession can occur to anyone: my reading of a lot
ofrecent (mainly Protestant) tracts on demons and how to get rid of them is
that "demon possession" is a diagnosis of a broader phenomenon that
incorporates all sorts of alternative states of consciousness, including
channelling and spiritualism.  Both of these are violently proscribed by
"demonologists" in any form, including Ouija and using pendulums to predict
sex of children etc.  My sense is that this kind of contact with alternative
personalities is probably a by-product of the way our minds normally work.
Julian Jaynes has some interesting things to say about "muses" and the like
in _The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind_, only
he cuts off his data too soon: he should talk about Pearl Curren and her Ouija
alter ego Patience Worth, Jane Roberts and Seth, Whitley Strieber and Ishtar,
and so on.  Intelligence seems to have nothing to do with it; skepticism seems
only to make the experience scarier; Xnity tries to harness it for its own
purposes by letting the personality speak as a "demon."  Many "primitive"
religions allow "possessed" people to cultivate their affliction as a gift,
making those we type as lunatics into shamans; and I'm not sure that's a
backwards custom.
.
Bill Ellis (wce2 @ psuvm.psu.edu)                 Editor, FOAFtale News
Penn State, Hazleton Campus                       Voice: 717-450-3026
Hazleton, PA 18201-1291                           Fax: 717-450-3182
     "He who affirms the devil, creates the Devil." --Eliphas Levi

Newsgroups: alt.satanism
From: rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu
Subject: Re: Oh so worried.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 11:27:15 GMT
Organization: University of Louisville

In article <1992Dec18.064005.24858@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, radinsky@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Radinsky) writes:
> Techniques such as ouija boards and automatic writing invite "someone
> else" to control your body.  These might lead to possession, if you're
> unable to get this entity back out.  It's like, asking someone to drive
> your car for a while, but not being able to get them out of the
> driver's seat when you want it back.  This is the only means of possession
> I've read about.  If anybody knows of others, please post.

Basically, anything. I think some people have conflated possession
and obsession, leading to the belief that thinking=possession. I
know that playacting (RPGs etc.) are an *excellent* method of
possession. I have been told so more than once. Never seen it happen
myself. I don't know if this is "inviting control," since most
RPGers intend that *they* are the ones performing all the actions,
even if it is in their imagination.
 
--Semhaza
From: redline@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Bullet in the Head)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Depeche Mode's "Black Celebration"
Date: 18 Dec 92 18:15:20 GMT
Organization: The Works - The World's Largest Inside Joke

kar5@po.CWRU.Edu (Kevin A. Roll) writes:
>My girfriend played me this album last night... it was interesting, to
>say the least. The whole thing was very sexual and seemed to have
>satanist overtones. She claims that at the beginning and the end of
>the first song, a raspy voice says "praise Satan." Anyone know
>anything about this?

Well, the album is a dreary little bit of work, but I wouldn't
immediately label it as being satanist.  I listened to the beginning
of the first track about 12 times at ear-melting volumes.  It could
say "praise Satan", but it also sounded a lot to me like "glazed
chicken".  Satanic music is in the ear of the beholder.  To the best
of my knowledge, Depeche Mode has never been a group that endorsed
satanic values, so if it does say "praise Satan", I think they just
did it on a whim.
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Subject: Re: The Guide
Reply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:02:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.052222.13505@mtu.edu>, cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m.
wolf) writes:
> index (in'deks) n., pl. -dexes, -dices.
> 	1. an alphabetical listing of names, places, and topics along 
> 	with the the numbers of the pages on which they are discussed.
> 
> Hell was never discussed.  The article for hell doesn't even exist yet.

  I beg tyo differ.  As the author I distinctly remember putting in a mention of
Hell (should that be capitalized?).  Look in the section on transportation,
specifically the subway.

  Maybe I should have made the index reference "Hell (New York Branch)"?

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From: pcxkrm@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (K.R.Marshall)
Subject: Re: The Guide
Organization: Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:31:37 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.052222.13505@mtu.edu> cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf) writes:
>index (in'deks) n., pl. -dexes, -dices.
>	1. an alphabetical listing of names, places, and topics along 
>	with the the numbers of the pages on which they are discussed.
>
>Hell was never discussed.  The article for hell doesn't even exist yet.
>
I think the implication was that New York IS Hell... (perfectly sound in
my book - no flames please!, I'm only a humble Briton..), so there HAS
been an article written on Hell, it's called New York.

>Anyway, is it possible to get a command line option to get the "Table of 
>Contents" to come up, rather than the "Index"?

Dunno - ask Steve, maybe he can put one in.

Keith.

PS. - the Atari ST version of the guide is now into programming stage - 
I might even have a Beta test version out before Christmas depending on
how many parties I go to!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Mummy was an asteroid, Daddy was             | Keith Marshall
a small, non-stick kitchen utensil..."        | pcxkrm@unicorn.nott.ac.uk








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From: cleggp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg)
Subject: Re: The Guide
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 03:26:27 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.025433.7363@mtu.edu> cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf) writes:
>The guide program can be really annoying at time.  Like when it has
>articles such as "Hell" listed in the index, which are really
>not there, but are instead "New York".  Then there is no cross-refernce
>between them.  Why does this happen?

Because "New York" is often known as "Hell".  In other words, "Hell" is 
another name for "New York".  "Hell" is not actually an article (yet).
If you want just a list of article titles, use Alt-T, for Table of Contents.

...Paul


-- 
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         System One RPG designer.   Project Galactic Guide Coordinator.
+                +        +    +  + + +  +    +        +                +
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From: jota@tutor.inesc.pt (Joao Pedro Martins)
Subject: TheGuide in old XT's ??? AH AH AH ! BAd JOke !
Reply-To: jota@iguana.inesc.pt
Organization: INESC - Inst. Eng. Sistemas e Computadores, LISBOA. PORTUGAL.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 18:18:48 GMT

	I still can't run The Guide in my [old] Xt... I tried freeing as
much memory as I could, etc, but no way the program was going to run. Not
even Ctrl+alt+del worked, I had to use the Magic Red Button.

	You may say, "well, use TUG !" ... yeah, I tried, but it
wont compile ("ld: can't find _main", or something like that).

	Life can be so fustrating, sometimes.


-- 
----
 Joao Pedro Martins, Lisboa, Portugal - jota@tutor.inesc.pt
 
 "cover my face while the animals cry [...],	
  cover my face while the animals die !" (The Cure) 
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: zaphod@centurion.ksu.ksu.edu (Jeff Rountree)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Help?
Date: 17 Dec 1992 10:57:55 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: centurion.ksu.ksu.edu


Just a little question.  I realize that this will make me look like an idiot, but
oh well, it won't be the first time.  Here goes,

	"What and where is the guide?"

I have been reading this newsgroup, and don't want to wait till someone drops
enough hints that I finally understand.  I get the distinct impression that it
has something to do with HGTTG.  
	Thanks in advance.	
-- 
| zaphod@matt.ksu.ksu.edu | I wouldn't trust myself any farther than I 
| zaphod@ksuvm.ksu.edu    | could spit a rat! --> Zaphod Beeblebrox
| -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
| Jeff Rountree, 626 Marlatt Hall, Manhattan Ks. 66506
From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Re: The Guide
Date: 17 Dec 92 20:33:43 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Distribution: inet
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In-reply-to: cmwolf@mtu.edu's message of Wed, 16 Dec 1992 23:10:23 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.231023.14466@mtu.edu> cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf) writes:
>kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) writes:
>>In article <1992Dec16.052222.13505@mtu.edu>, cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m.
>>wolf) writes:
>>> index (in'deks) n., pl. -dexes, -dices.
>>> 	1. an alphabetical listing of names, places, and topics along 
>>> 	with the the numbers of the pages on which they are discussed.
>>> 
>>> Hell was never discussed.  The article for hell doesn't even exist yet.
>>
>>  I beg tyo differ.  As the author I distinctly remember putting in a mention of
>>Hell (should that be capitalized?).  Look in the section on transportation,
>>specifically the subway.
>>
>>  Maybe I should have made the index reference "Hell (New York Branch)"?
>>

>That I could go for.  At least when I look up "HELL", I want to read about
>HELL, not a subsection of New York.

OK.. What would happen, if someone now wrote an article titled Hell? Would the
readers be intelligent enough to delete the current index entry and replace
it with one linked to the new article?
--
Osma Ahvenlampi  -  oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi   * Workstation power for micro-
All my opinions are not necessarily really mine * computer price: Amiga := FUN
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From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf)
Subject: Re: The Guide
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 05:22:22 GMT

index (in'deks) n., pl. -dexes, -dices.
	1. an alphabetical listing of names, places, and topics along 
	with the the numbers of the pages on which they are discussed.

Hell was never discussed.  The article for hell doesn't even exist yet.

Anyway, is it possible to get a command line option to get the "Table of 
Contents" to come up, rather than the "Index"?

Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: aevans@nmt.edu (Alex Evans)
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
Subject: Help with AmiGuide
Summary: I can't get it to accept articles
Keywords: AmiGuide Amiga Guide
Date: 15 Dec 92 22:41:47 GMT
Followup-To: aevans@titan.nmt.edu
Organization: New Mexico Tech


   I seem to be unable to get the AmiGuide to accept articles.  When I first
tried it complained about not being able to find a file named Index.1 in ram:
so I created an empty file by that name.  Now when I try to add articles it
first says it is adding the articles (bt name) one by one then when the
message Processing Article 1 (Pass #1) comes up I get a file requestor with
the message Wrong File Type.  My question is how do I get this program to
add articles to it's currently empty datebase?

	Thanks in advance for your help

Theodore (Alex) Evans aka Alexei Vnebrachnei Ivanovitch
MOL College of St. Golias     | Free computer, where, when, how
Collector of dusty silicon    | "That probably won't run on anything I have."
-- 
Theodore (Alex) Evans aka Alexei Vnebrachnei Ivanovitch
MOL College of St. Golias     | Free computer, where, when, how
Collector of dusty silicon    | "That probably won't run on anything I have."
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (`Grave' Dave Gymer)
Subject: Bye bye, cruel world...
Reply-To: dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk
Organization: Association of Slack Producing Geeks
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 19:50:49 GMT

Well, I'm off the net now until about 13th Jan.  Whilst I'm gone, I
shall try to get TUG! 2 ready for an alpha release as soon as I get
back; I'll post as soon as it's ready and start putting names on the
list of alpha testers.  Please _don't_ send me mail during the
vacation; I'm trying to archive alt.g-g postings while I'm away, and
my account is pretty crammed as it is...  :-)

(No doubt my mailbox will be full of messages from root about the size
of my mailbox when I get back...)

I've spent the last few days looking at various network information
retrieval systems, and I think the gopher protocol looks quite
suitable for a networked guide, so if I have time I'll try a simple
gopher-guide server (if I can get the stupid client program to work
right under Linux...).

The basic curses-based stand-alone guide browser is nearly ready for
release; it needs a bit of tweaking, and a lot of features to be
added, but it's very nearly there already.  If I do use the gopher
protocol, I shall probably keep TUG! 2 and the gopher server sides of
things seperate (since the gopher server will use a standard gopher
client).  Who knows...

Anyhow, have a nice xmas/new year, folks...

-- Dave
-- 
`Grave' Dave Gymer
Life is like a grapefruit.
Newsgroups: alt.galactic-guide
From: swbaker@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Texas Bob/Eddie Froman depending on th'moon)
Subject: Re: The Guide
Summary: Humm.....
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 13:39:20 GMT

In article <4gk2l_n@rpi.edu> cleggp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Paul Jason Clegg) writes:

>In article <1992Dec15.025433.7363@mtu.edu> cmwolf@mtu.edu (christopher m. wolf) writes:

>>The guide program can be really annoying at time.  Like when it has
>>articles such as "Hell" listed in the index, which are really
>>not there, but are instead "New York".  Then there is no cross-refernce
>>between them.  Why does this happen?

>Because "New York" is often known as "Hell".  In other words, "Hell" is 
>another name for "New York".  "Hell" is not actually an article (yet).
>If you want just a list of article titles, use Alt-T, for Table of Contents.

Perhaps you are misunderstanding the concept of an index.  This device
lists the _index_ of the articles, not the _titles_ of the articles.
(If you only want titles, then press Alt-T as Paul suggests.)

Every article has only ONE title, but can have MANY indices which reference
it.  (Note, I don't mean Cross-Reference, which links two different articles.)
Thus, the article titled _Earth_ has several index items which all lead
to the same article (including "Where you probably are right now", etc).

Think of a regular textbook's index.  There are a whole lot of entries
there, right?  Some of those entries point to the same chapter, or paper,
or article, or whatever, because a single article can cover a multitude
of related topics and sub-topics (each topic is thus listed in the index).

I hope Paul's and my comments here help to clarify the concept of an index;
if you have further problems, Don't Panic (good advice, huh?); just Go Stick
Your Head In A Pig.

Share and Enjoy,

Steve

PS: I received a new article this morning; it'll be in the archives and
    posted here on alt.galactic-guide by early afternoon today!
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