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From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss,talk.politics.misc,ca.politics
Subject: Re: The Harrassing Phone Calls Can Stop NOW!
Date: 10 Sep 92 08:57:25 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

[I'm breaking several of my rules here,
by responding to Clayton Cramer at all,
and by responding crosspostedly, but ...]

In article <12195@optilink.UUCP>,
cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes:
> This is exactly why I can't take homosexuals seriously.  I have
> repeatedly made it clear that I want the government to leave
> people alone unless they engage in force or fraud against others,
> and you have this crazy idea that I would support some sort of
> extermination scheme.

So, Clayton, you're saying that you can't take homosexuals seriously
because you feel they persist in making untrue claims about you,
despite your repeated rebuttals?
Now, ever wondered why we don't take *you* seriously?

> Not at all, and I would vigorously
> oppose (by all means necessary) any such effort to exterminate
> homosexuals.

Such as handing over what you think is damning evidence
to those people who want to legislate us out of existence?

> But the homosexual desire to be a victim is so strong, that it
> becomes necessary to demonize everyone that doesn't pat homosexuals
> on the head and say, "Keep it up."

Clayton, how come you know more about my desires than I do?
(And how come you know so much about victim complexes?)

[There, I've done it.
I don't know why I thought I might be the one person
who could make Clayton recognise his hypocrisy.
Call it a momentary aberration.]

PS: There's only one R in "harass".
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*misrepresent* v.t. to be an unrepresentative representative of"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tima@sequent.com (Timothy Alan Anderson)
Subject: Re: accordion bashing
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:37:04 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.064751.11239@wam.umd.edu> jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>
>Nevertheless, I can only report what comes
>from said notes on this matter:
>
>   For tango purists, playing this music on the accordion
>   instead of its near relative the _bandoneon_ is the
>   equivalent of playing Bach's harpsichord works on a
>   modern piano.  The _bandoneon_ has only buttons instead
>   of the keyboard at one side of the accordion [!] and
>   consequently can play fewer notes.  To maintain an
>   idomatic sound accordionist William Schimmel developed
>   simpler lines for the accordion in the classic Argentine
>   tangos here, but used it in the normal way for the
>   three Euroopean tangos on the album....."
>

The 'button box' also plays different notes on the "suck" and "blow"
motions of the bellows. Piano accordion's play the same note on either
"suck" or "blow". Button boxes are more akin to harmonica's than to
their similar sounding counterparts.

And yes, I own three different accordion's, and I try to practice
every day...

tima@sequent.com

Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: angus@mizar.usc.edu (Jim Angus)
Subject: High Tech Gays
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 9:14:44 PDT
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Robin,

There is a group, of which High Tech Gays is affiliated.  The National
Organization of Gay & Lesbian Scientists and Technical Professionals
(i.e., NOGLSTP).  I am a member of the Los Angeles Section, LAGLS or
the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Scientists.  Your friend may contact
NOGLSTP by sending eMail to Shelley Diamond (who is chair of NOGLSTP)
Her address is diamond@ccosun.caltech.edu

In addition NOGLSTP has a dl.  Requests for addition to the list should
be sent to noglstp-request@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov and postings should be sent
to noglstp@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov

The list is pretty recent, so she won't be overwhealmed with mail.  Usually
two or three postings a day.

Jim


>A friend of mine is a lesbian, computer professional in Southern California.
>She is looking for groups/activities that allow her to meet similar people.
>I know there is (was?) a group in the S.F. bay area called High Tech Gays.
>Does this group or anything similar to it exist in S. Cal?

>Thanks in advance for any contacts you can provide.
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay Cops and 60 Minutes
Date: 15 Sep 92 23:30:01 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <mcmelmon-150992102229@mcmelmon.apple.com>,
mcmelmon@aruba.apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
> But seriously, one cannot expect the main stream to have much of a 
> pressence here on soc.motss - which can best be thought of as a 
> rather roily tributary (no, Nelson, roily is not a word, so don't
> bother looking it up -

Phthppppp!

-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"*roil* v.t. to make turbid or turbulent: to annoy, irritate
(now usu. *rile*). - adj. *roily* turbid. [Origin doubtful.]"
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Subject: Re: What is Prejudice (was: Re: Tastes and Prejudice)
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 14:43:24 GMT

Minotaur@cup.portal.com (Frank - Swilling) writes:
: 
: Argument is the life-blood of soc.motss.  If you're going to change

Indeed, it's the main reason I prefer soc.motss over the sappho mailing
list. During the few months I followed sappho, I was repeatedly annoyed
by how IMO overly-accomodating many women seemed to be there. Almost 
everyone seemed to be trying too hard to be *NICE* (ugh). In particular, 
there is a woman who regularly posts racist claptrap, and several women 
IMO verbally bend over backwards to her. In fact, that, along with the 
ungainly volume of e-mail it generated, were the main reasons I stopped 
subscribing.


Kathy
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce)
Subject: Re: Stimulating Photos
Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 01:21:17 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.010457.22206@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:

>ObTangentialThread - how are pictures of naked men that are intended
>to turn women on different from pictures of naked men that are
>intended to turn other men on?

Often, even artless images of nude women arouse me in part because
female sexuality is relatively foreign to me.  While pictures of nude
men arouse me at times, I have a much more fundamental understanding
of male sexuality by virtue of being male myself; male porn is less
arousing to me than my own fantasies about men.  Female sexuality, on
the other hand, still carries an element of mystery that is very
exciting all by itself.

Gawd, I feel like such a clueless hetboy saying that.

-- 
____ Tim Pierce                / "I don't know how much support NAMBLA
\  / twpierce@unix.amherst.edu /  has in the gay community."
 \/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) /   -- Clayton Cramer, August 1992
From: John_Graves@cellbio.duke.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: NPR on Printing "Gay Ideas"
Date: 10 Sep 92 18:59:13 GMT
Organization: Duke University Medical Center

In article <1992Sep8.203739.15476@husc3.harvard.edu> goldfarb@husc4.harvard.edu
(Warren Goldfarb) writes:
>In article <m0mSE6f-0000tbC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> wje00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com
(Warren Jay Eggly) writes:
x>> From: pc@linus.mitre.org (Penny Chase)
x>> Date: 7 Sep 92 14:43:33 GMT
x>>
x>> This morning NPR's Morning Edition had a report on the trouble Beacon
x>> Press had in finding a printer for "Gay Ideas," a book of essays by
x>> Univ. of Illinois philosopher Richard Moore.  Beacon Press was turned
x>> down by 23 printers before they found one willing to print the book.

Beacon Press is the trade publishing wing of the Unitarian Universalist
Association of Congregations.  Skinner House produces more traditional
religious publications for the UUA.  Beacon Press is committed to publishing
materials which stand for diversity and multiculturism.  Other books recently
published by Beacon include:

The Measure of Our Success:  A letter to My Children and Yours, written by
Marian Wright Edelman, director of the Children's Defense Fund.

A Dream Deferred, America's Discontent and the Search for a New Democratic
Ideal, by Philip Slater.

Grandmothers of the Light:  A Medicine Woman's Sourcebook, by Paula Gunn Allen.

Mortal Friends: A novel by James Carroll.

And of a more direct Unitarian Universalist nature:

Being Liberal in an Illiberal Age:  Why I am a Unitarian Universalist, by Jack
Mendelsohn.

Beacon is also Father John O'Neil's publisher and has published several gay and
lesbian written books over the years.

Religious organizations are of many different kinds.  The UUA believes that it
must put its resources behind its ideas.  Beacon Press is just one of those
resources.  Others are the Office of Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual Affairs and the
UUA AIDS Office.

 >>I called Beacon Press and talk to the Publicty Department. They said that
the
>>book will be available on October 15 and my be order by calling 617/742-2110
>>ext. 596. That the book should also be in Glad Day Book Store in Boston and a
>>Differnt Light in San Francisco.
>>
>
>The author's name is RICHARD MOHR.
>
>
>Warren Goldfarb
>Department of Philosophy
>Harvard University
>
From: urso@spdcc.com (Stephen Chappell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: move to canada, eh?
Date: 9 Sep 92 21:07:08 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA

In article <1992Sep9.182154.28328@nevada.edu> clc@nevada.edu (Chris L. Cobb) writes:
>This was my fortune when I logged in today:
>
>     "In any world menu, Canada must be considered the vichyssoise of
>     nations -- it's cold, half-French, and difficult to stir."
>                     -- Stuart Keate

I remember An Incomplete Education mentions that Canada 
*could* have had it all:

     American Proficiency,
     British Law, and
     French Culture

But that, instead, it got:
 
     British Proficiency, 
     French Law, and
     American Culture
 
[] Urso

-- 
[] Stephen Chappell (a.k.a. "Urso")
[] urso@ursa-major.spdcc.com
[] 15 Walker Street, Powder House Square   
[] Somerville, MA 02144-1622, USA
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sunglasses and hats
Date: 14 Sep 92 01:45:52 GMT
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha

katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:

>Well, I'm also photo-sensitive, aka a sun-sneezer. I almost never sneeze
>fewer than three times in a row, no matter what the trigger is. 

My friend Renee has these absolutely wonderful sneeze marathons. When
she gets going you can just sit back and count. Usually gets to at least
a dozen before she tuckers out. It's amazing.

>Obmotss-relevance (sorta): I've heard that the act of sneezing is, 
>physiologically speaking, similar to an orgasm. 

Oh, so *that's* why it feels so good...

And I must ask Renee sometime if she's multi-orgasmic...

--
John Dorrance  * Don't fuck with Ms. Congeniality *  thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

	Every jumbled pile of person has a thinking part that wonders
	     what the part that isn't thinking isn't thinking of
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: robertl@luciano.Stanford.EDU (Robert Lodenkamper)
Subject: Re: The Second Closet
Organization: Stanford University
Date: 5 Sep 92 17:14:22

In article <1992Sep4.175020.859@PacBell.COM> rjwill6@pbsdts.sdcrc.pacbell.com (Rod Williams) writes:

   Portentous Subject, huh?  Actually, this is just about gay
   Republicans!  There's an article in today's NYTimes (9/4/92)
   profiling one Paul von Wupperfield, president of the Texas Log
   Cabin Republicans ("it would be unnatural for me to vote as a
   Democrat").  He claims that the nastiness at the RNC in Houston has
   led to "thousands more" gay Republicans venturing out of said
   Second Closet onto his mailing list.  Also, "the hostility in the
   gay community toward me as an openly gay Republican is every bit as
                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
             (shouldn't that be "openly Republican gay"?)
   bad, if not worse, than the hostility I get as a gay person." 

This last bit is most interesting.  Surely having one's sanity
questioned, and/or being snubbed in social settings is less harmful
than being denied rights.

- Bob


Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov (Ann Carlson)
Subject: Re: sunglasses and hats
Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA  USA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 18:22:18 GMT

In article <1992Sep8.144053.9285@cis.ohio-state.edu>, amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
|> i, too, am a sun-sneezer.  well, any bright light.  on first
|> exposure to bright light, i give two or three hearty sneezes,
|> causing people who don't know me well to worry that i'm
|> coming down with a cold or something.
|> 

Me too.  I also sneeze at abrupt temperature changes; like going
from the heavy a/c in the office out into 90-deg. Virginia weather. 
Anybody else do this?
-- 



*************************************************      
*Dr. Ann B. Carlson (carlson@ab24.larc.nasa.gov)*       O .
*MS 366                                         *         o  _///_ //
*NASA Langley Research Center                   *          <`)=  _<<
*Hampton, VA 23681-0001                         *             \\\  \\
*************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: NEWSWEEK POLL: Plurality of Americans support GAY RIGHTS
Reply-To: shore@tc.cornell.edu
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 18:42:49 GMT

In article <BuBGLu.Mtq@agora.rain.com>, batie@agora.rain.com (Alan Batie) writes:
> This is a Must Read issue of Newsweek --- it has a very good cover story
> on the issue of gay rights, including a wonderful article written by a
> gay author on how we're still human beings. 

Well, now *here's* somebody who never read soc.motss.  (Hi, Boob!)
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance)
Subject: Re: World's First Known Bottom Found in Alps
Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 02:03:06 GMT

Well, at least the poor guy died happy...

--
John Dorrance  * Don't fuck with Ms. Congeniality *  thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu

	Every jumbled pile of person has a thinking part that wonders
	     what the part that isn't thinking isn't thinking of
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shelmrei@nmsu.edu (Stephen Helmreich)
Subject: Re: boobs
Followup-To: soc.motss
Organization: Computing Research Lab
	<1992Aug31.190801.19953@tc.cornell.edu>
	<1992Aug31.202937.21238@cis.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:30:25 GMT


On I-25 between Las Cruces and Albuquerque there is an exit for two
small towns:

	Derry and Array, so the sign marks the Derry-Array exit.


		Steve Helmreich (shelmrei@nmsu.edu)
From: katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Hate mail
Date: 11 Sep 92 22:03:16 GMT
Organization: Auto-trol Technology Corporation -- Denver, Colorado
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3

Well, I got a piece of dislike mail from a lurker, this week. Maybe if
I try harder, I'll eventually graduate up to full fledged hate mail.


Kathy
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: elliott@leda.princeton.edu (Frank W. Elliott)
Subject: Re: Princeton Rub was:  Re: Multi-Index was:Re: your sexu
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 12:59:30 GMT

In article <82035@bcsaic.boeing.com> davidk@bcsaic.boeing.com (Dave Kerlick) writes:
>In article <4=ln#d.jfh@netcom.com> jfh@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>
>>"Frottage", or "the Princeton rub", named after Princeton University.
>
>Having gone there, I know:
>
>it is only a real Princeton rub if:
>
>(1) It is usually done between a student and a teacher
>
>(2) It is preceded by an earnest conversation about F. Scott Fitzgerald
>
>(3) Neither partner removes his trousers.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>And no, I didn't actually do it.
>
>
>
>-- 
>G. David Kerlick,     Research & Technology Boeing Computer Services  
>P.O. Box 24346, MS 7L-24, Seattle, WA 98124-0346
>Work phone: 206-865-5051 Fax: 206-865-3327  Email: davidk@espresso.boeing.com

Nor will I.  The cost of dry cleaning is simply outrageous here! :-)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: And by the way . . . (was Re: trivia)
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 22:20:37 GMT


In article <1992Sep11.005036.29555@beaver.cs.washington.edu>
wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash) writes:

>As I recall, it was my reaction to .signature files; I think it predates
>Jess's random quotes.

Harrrummmph!

Jess [who is pleased enough by the voice of Ms. T. to make a
      brief appearance, but reminds all and sundry that my
      quotes are *not* random, thank you very much!]

<> The Dachaus ...  must remain standing because they are a
<> monument in time when some men decided to turn the Earth
<> into a graveyard.  Into it they shoveled all of their
<> reason, their logic, their knowledge, but worst of all,
<> their conscience.  And the moment we forget this, the
<> moment we cease to be haunted by its remembrance, then we
<> become the gravediggers...  
<> -- Rod Serling, "Deathshead Revisited"
-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: angus@mizar.usc.edu (Jim Angus)
Subject: Wild West Party (Southern California)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 9:34:01 PDT
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Just how effective are pickup lines?
Date: 14 Sep 1992 00:23:18 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Sep14.024422.11850@wam.umd.edu> 
jns@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
> John Dorrance (thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu), who
> should know, 

Sometimes I think the only way we'll ever manage 
to keep him from, um, wandering around would be 
to tie him to a tree in the backyard.

>              suggests:
> 
> > 'Pardon me, but your moustache is all mussed up.' 
> > (comb it down with your tongue)

Jeff, dear, please have that talk with your son.

> Close to a favorite of mine: "Excuse me, but
> may I taste your moustache?"

Harumpff.  Like father, like son.  Perhaps *I* should
sit him down and lay down the law.

> [Sounds silly, but it worked with Arne.]

That was in the springtime of our love, sweetheart.
Besides, *we* are adults.

Arne
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Words (was : god save us nelly queens!)
Date: 13 Sep 1992 21:26:55 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <thaaang.716440740@cwis> 
thaaang@cwis.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:

> What exactly *is* New Faces?

A series of revues put together by Leonard Sillman which introduced
New York audiences to new talent.  New Faces of 1952 included the
then unknown Eartha Kitt, Alice Ghostley and Paul Lynde.  New Faces
of 1956 had T.C. Jones, among others.  Imogene Coca and Henry Fonda 
were in one of the New Faces in the 1930s.  Madeline Kahn was in
New Faces of 1968, which was the last.

> (John, hunching over his queer card and growling)

Believe me, John, *nobody* would dare take your queer card away.

> (Papa Arne, can I come visit you sometime? I'm woefully undereducated
> in these things...)

But of course you may, you sweet little thing.  I'm free tomorrow.

Arne
From: scott@bbx.basis.com (Scott Amspoker)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: NEWSWEEK POLL: Plurality of Americans support GAY RIGHTS
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:07:11 GMT
Organization: BASIS International, Ltd., Albuquerque NM USA

In article <1992Sep13.181346.24251@nevada.edu> balistik@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
>>Even if someday we discover that we *do* have special rights, heterosexuals
>>can always enjoy those same rights by pretending to be homosexual.  So
>>nobody is really being denied anything.
>
>Wrong. Why should I, or a heterosexual, have to play "pretend"
>to get anything?  Surely a right that requires you to *be* queer, or
>*play* queer, to benefit is a Special Right: it requires queerness.
>[...]

Try switching the words "homosexual" and "heterosexual" in my post and
my meaning will be more clear.  Sorry you felt compelled to right such
a long reply to what was intended as a joke.

-- 
Scott Amspoker                       |    
Basis International, Albuquerque, NM |  Too bad ignorance isn't really
                                     |  bliss.  Then it could be outlawed.
scott@bbx.basis.com                  |
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Subject: Re: Publicity
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 19:23:06 GMT

mattm@Apple.COM (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>Aaachhh!  <stomp> <click> ZEIG! <*snap*>
>It's all so EVIiilllllLLLL.  Mu-ahhh ahhah ahhhh...

The party you vote for is creating an helping send out the message that
queers are not real human beings and ndeserve no treatment as such -
wether they believe it or not, it is what the _World_ is hearing them
say, and what a lot of people are picking up on - and when pointed out
to you, all you can come up with is this?

Matthew, get help.
							FJ!!
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