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From: nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Following up on articles .... how do we KILL ?
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:41:28 GMT
Reply-To: nr503637@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)
Organization: Colorado State U. Center for Computer Assisted Engineering.

In article <45210@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
(LAHORI POOND) writes:
> > All those who are following up on certains topics in general and on the 
> > Ahmedy issue in particular, ... could you please keep the same title
for the
> > posting so that we (those not interested in the issue, or those that
were there
> > during the last round of the Ahmedy issue) can KILL the thread!
> > 
> > Thanks very much for your co-operation.
> > 
> > 
>            Very well said sir this seems to be the only alternative to stop
>      this relentless bull.
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > 
>                      ___
>          Lahori (LHL 111) poond


Mr. Lahori poond, don't you have any respect for religion. Using such
abusive language for such a issue is shameful. If you are not interested
in what is going on, then I suggest remain quite. 




Sincerly

	
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|___smile__|
From: jahil@MARIA.WUSTL.EDU (|*************THE SPHINX OF SPHINXES ***************, me again!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: PINKY FLOYD - DYOLF YKNIP
Date: 12 Apr 92 23:07:20 GMT


			BONFIRE OF THE PROFANITIES	


>> I still do! 
>	Well tough luck, suck **** thru a starw
Find me a 'starw'! Using wildcards is WIMPY,leaving too much for my bizarre
imagination. Lick nacho cheese off a bedpost! (See, no nasty 4 letter words...)
			
				-0-

>>Love to! Should I call 1-800-NATIONAL-LAMPOON for a brochure?   
>	No the number is 1-800-328-7448.
Oh I called that number. Nice talking to you! But there was too much noise in
the background. Were you guys having a grand feast? And I like the idea of 
having your motto as your phone # -eeexcellent!

			
				-0-

>>Or would you be kind enough to send me one?  If you'd like to join my
>
>	just call the above number and they can help you(now that is a scary
>	thought)
Big help you were! Couldn't you eat whatever you were eating after you got off e
 the phone? I could hardly,umm, make out!

				-0-

>>occult school, send mail to jahil@maria.wustl.edu. But we have wild initiation
>>rites, I should warn you!
>
>	No thanx, GDI

GodDamnedIdiot? Whose God, "yours or mine"?                    


				-0-

>>God is real, unless declared integer
>>Go tell this to atheists or agnostics! And don't tell me I didn't warn you... 

>	Are you one?

Curiosity kills the pussy!  'Tis for me to know and...


				-0-

>>What would it take to get this silly sig off here? A California quake,perhaps!
>	I dont know make me an offer.

Ummm, I dunno. [Very tempting,though!]


				-0-

>>You have finally convinced me to go dig my Floyd discs outta my attic and
>>set 'em ablaze! Thank you!
>>
>	You are very welcome

Awwww! Couldn't you do any better? 


				-0-

>>Beware!      Forth coming lyrics in this tete-a-tete include
>>	Leppard's Love Bites!!
>>
>	Could not be worst than what happened before.

"aage aage dekhiay hota hey kia"!

	You gave the best you had to give
	you only have one life to live
	You fought so hard were a slave
	After all you gave there was nothing left to save...
					Nothing left to lose - TAPP       

				-0-

>>	Sajid [the last thing I'll have is Floyd as my middle name] Saeed
>>
>
>	You dont deserve one.
Surely you do. Syd Barett was the first one to go berserk - are you next?


				-0-

>God is real, unless declared integer
Yeah,right! What an oxymoron!


Sajid Saeed
#include <std_exclaimer>	!


no more! Bad call!
From: jel3435@chemvx.tamu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: For those who say "Eid for Muslims only"......
Keywords: EID DALLAS
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:41:00 GMT
Organization: The Next Brain
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

...please refer to the Dallas Morning News article on April 6 (?) in the
Today Section describing the huge Eid festival held south of Dallas where
about 700 souls were in attendance.  (Cover copy features two Grannies
in veils playing on a cloth Parchisi board.)  Attendees included practicing
Muslims, non-practicing Muslims, homesick Muslims, Christians, Secular
Humanists, Observers and probably some atheists too.  :-)  Food was served
and (surprise) the juice of Bacchus flowed.  

J.L.
From: aamir@IASTATE.EDU (Mohammad Asif)
Subject: just ignore 
Keywords: just testing
Reply-To: aamir@IASTATE.EDU (Mohammad Asif)
Organization: Iowa State University
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 03:40:24 GMT
From: az1@ukc.ac.uk (A.Zafar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: UN Peace Plan and Afghan Mujahideen
Date: 16 Apr 92 02:11:24 GMT
Reply-To: az1@ukc.ac.uk (A.Zafar)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <1992Apr15.180831.16293@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> mmasood@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mohammed A Masood) writes:
>
>	WHY UN "PEACE" EFFORTS IN AFGHANISTAN SHOULD BE DENOUNCED
>
>	*********************************************************
>
>	United Nations has recently accelerated its efforts to bring
>"peace" to Afghanistan.  The question arises where were these efforts
>when the Afghan people were being killed through Napalm Bombs and the
>Machine Guns of the communist soldiers?  Can the peace be established
>on the charred bodies of 2M Afghans in the way UN is proposing it to
>be established?  Or, does the exterminator of 2M human human beings
>has a right to ask for peace?  Can we ever hope to abolish injustice
>in this way?
>
>	For those who remember WWII, would you have agreed to Hitler's
>call for peace or a share for the war criminals in the German
>Government when the Allied forces were just 30 miles away from Berlin?
>Wouldn't it seem to be the most absurd and outrageous idea to you?
>Would you have agreed to anything less than an unconditional
>surrender?  Would it have been justified for the League of Nations to
>promote peace at that point?
>
>	Or, would it have been justified for Nikoli Chousesko to talk
>about peace when his castle was under siege?  Would you, as a freedom
>loving individual, have granted his request for peace?  Do you find
>any mercy for such a criminal in your heart?  Would you have supported
>any such an effort by the UN?
>
>In a similar way, it is absurd for the UN to promote peace and a
>coexistence for communists at this point in Afghanistan.  The blood of
>2M Afgans is not so cheap.  The freedom fighters did not sacrifice 2M
>of their brethren to see themselves robbed of a victory in the name of
>peace.  
>
>It is time for every freedom loving person to denounce so-called
>"peace" efforts by UN.

	In this entire posting you have assumed that the Mujahideens are on
the verge of victory. They are far from it. The allies were united against
Germany to the very end while the Mujahideens are also fighting among
themselves. Finally, Najibullah is quite capable of carrying on this war for
sometime. I would rather have the war end now then wait for another couple of
years and have another few hundred thousand people dead. I hope peace comes to
the region and this time to stay. Otherwise, we may end up asking aid from the
CIS and the Eastern European block after 20 years.

--
			 - Aman Zafar 			_   /|
			 - University of Kent 		\'o.O'
			 - England. 			=(___)=	
							   U
From: salama@topaz.ucq.edu.au
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: aik nasihat
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:36:06 AET
Organization: University of Central Queensland, Australia



Woh loag jo fazool qism ki bahas main paR kar apna aur doosroN ka waqt
zaia kartey hain un ke leay aik nasihat:
      Allah ke bundo! aqal ke nakhun lo. kion apna waqt burbad kertey 
ho. Purho, likho, mulk ka naam roshan kro. Aman wo ashti kee bateN kro,
mail milap ka tuzkrah kro. Achchi, achchi baten kro. Aur ye nasihat
hamesha yaad rakho. Shabash BuchoN. Salam.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: mss1@cec1.wustl.edu (Muhammad Sajid Saeed)
Subject: PINKY FLOYD - Once again! Your serve!
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 07:22:29 GMT



			MISSI-HIPPY CHURNING!!!!!!


>	Bad taste Hmmmm, well there is difference in having bad taste
>	talking cheep shots at someone's expense.
	^^^^^^^^^^^^
What????????????? Say that again,s'il vous plait!


>>Widen your horizons, atom heart mother!
>	Well look who is talkin? You are the one that had a problem
>	with the original posting.

 I still do! 
	---
	And in the master's chambers
	They gathered for the feast
	stab it with their steely knives
	But they just can't kill the beast
				-Hotel California
				-The Eagles

>>No perhaps you are 'awake at the verge of insanity' 
>Wide awake too! And it's killing me! "Brain damage", I guess...
>
>	>'Lunitic is in your head'
	^^^^^^^^
NOT!!!! On my nerves, rather!
Watch out readers,lunatic on loose on this 'noosegroup'!

>>Maybe someday you'll have a school of thought of your own. Scary, though!
>	I already do would you like to join?

Love to! Should I call 1-800-NATIONAL-LAMPOON for a brochure?   
Or would you be kind enough to send me one?  If you'd like to join my
occult school, send mail to jahil@maria.wustl.edu. But we have wild initiation
rites, I should warn you!

>Faryal // 
>		brain damageD 	   <------------
>		pinkY floyd 	  <------------
          	   ^^
>God is real, unless declared integer
Go tell this to atheists or agnostics! And don't tell me I didn't warn you... 
What would it take to get this silly .sig off here? A California quake,perhaps!

You have finally convinced me to go dig my Floyd discs outta my attic and
set 'em ablaze! Thank you!

Beware!      Forth coming lyrics in this tete-a-tete include
	Leppard's Love Bites!!


	Sajid [the last thing I'll have is Floyd as my middle name] Saeed



Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: zafar@twolf7.CE.YALE.EDU (Farrukh Zafar)
Subject: Poetry and DS[Q]A ... 
Organization: Yale Dept of Electrical Engineering
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 01:03:21 GMT

-- 


In article <703198687@flounder.cs.duke.edu>, 
azhar@duke.cs.duke.edu (D. Salman [Quintessential] Azhar) writes:

|> I have slight poetic inclination, and would have been
|> a poet, if only I could write poetry. :-)

Salman, please save me the agony of reading your poetry :-) BTW, 
till your recent visit to Pakistan you gave us the excuse that 
you were lacking the inspiration and hence couldn't compose a 
complete poem. Does that still hold (cough, cough ... ) ;-) ???

Please, let me dedicate the following verses of my most recent 
poem to you:


   	           May Be 
	           ------
	may be, it happens but isn't true
	may be, it's something I can't construe
	may be, you're just another dream
	may be, you're there without a clue
        
                                --- Farrukh 


|> My fault! Innate mental acuity is almost a pre-requisite to 
|> understand what I say.

That explains your *innate* loneliness (hee hee hee) ;-) A similar
requirement applies in my case, but on the top of mental acuity, it's 
*poetic nature* which helps people understand me better :-) Living 
examples are Zia Zafir, Adil Najam, Jamaal, and a less poetic but 
extremely intelligent computer scientist at Duke, commonly known as 
DS[Q]A :-)  


|>Salman [all rights reserved, wrongs are left for others] Azhar
|> -- 
|>  I must, with emotional fire, burn or illume myself
|>  I must, with the heat of passion, melt or sublime myself
|>  I must, in flood of tears, drown or cleanse myself
|>  I must! I must! I must! For my people and myself -- D. Salman [Q] Azhar


-------------------------------------------------------------------
 "Your whispers painted dreams, and your laughters sketched some
  ebullient shades. Your soft caress inscribed your name, and your
  shy smile erased the gloomy tinge. But then the darkness of time
  veiled that sublime image, and now this faded rainbow of poignant
  past is the only glimmer on my life's shattered canvas"

                  ------ Farrukh [engineer, poet, musician] Zafar
-------------------------------------------------------------------
From: bashirs@public.BTR.COM (Salma Bashir)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Looking for Imran Malik
Summary: imran malik
Keywords: looking for
Date: 6 Apr 92 08:47:55 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Carnes & McKay, Inc., VA

Imran Malik from Islamabad. currenly somewhere in Virginia?
know him??


Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: shafqat@neuro.duke.edu (Saad Shafqat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Zero
Date: 15 Apr 92 17:16:20 GMT
Organization: Neuroscience Program, Duke University Medical Center.



In article <1992Apr10.133525.39213@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> mausoof@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>Q. What is the most important contribution to Science by the people of Indian
>subcontinent?
>
>
>A. Nothing.
>					Saqib Mausoof


Well, there are Chandrasekhara Venkata Raman, Bose and Subramanyam 
Chandrashekar.  Of course, there is Abdus Salaam.  But enough of
physics, have you heard of Har Gobind Khorana ?  Closer to home,
ever heard of Ahmed Iqbal Bukhari ?  Get a Who's Who in Science
and check them out.



--
From: khan@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (LAHORI POOND)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Zero
Date: 16 Apr 92 00:41:08 GMT
Organization: Purdue University

> 
> 
> Well, there are Chandrasekhara Venkata Raman, Bose and Subramanyam 
> Chandrashekar.  Of course, there is Abdus Salaam.  But enough of
> physics, have you heard of Har Gobind Khorana ?  Closer to home,
> ever heard of Ahmed Iqbal Bukhari ?  Get a Who's Who in Science
> and check them out.
> 

 You are right Saad that the contribution made by the sub-continent to 
 science is great, but what i prceived Saqib was trying to say was 0.
  that is by nothing he probably meant the number zero,which was discovered
 by the people from the sub-continent.
          Then again I might be wrong about his intentions ?

      NOMTAO(No Offence Meant To Any One)

later....
              ___ 
  Lahori (LHL 111) Poond
From: obaidr@bullet.ecf (OBAID ARIF)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Man and Success---a story
Date: 9 Apr 92 06:19:39 GMT
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Originator: obaidr@bullet.ecf.toronto.edu


			MAN AND SUCCESS

An 'upwardly mobile' man once declared to his colleague:
"Success is the most important thing in life for Man, and
in order to succeed you have to be selfish.
You have to step over others to get to the top!".

"Who told you that?", asked his colleague, frowning.

"Why the experience of life itself, of course!", said 
the 'successful one', smiling.

"Well then, tell me Mr. Successful," said  the colleague,
seriously,"would you have been so successful if others 
had been selfish like you?"

"No!", said the 'successful' one.

"Therefore," continued the colleague, " by being selfish,
you have not made others 'successful'.  In fact, I'd say that
the ones that helped you and those various others to get to where 
you all are now, are certainly more successful than you!"

"Why?" enquired the 'successful one', with wide-eyed expectation.

"Didn't you say that 'success' is the most important thing in the
Life of Man ?" asked the colleague, sharply.

"Yes!" responded the successful one.

"Well, they helped make more humans 'successful' than you;
therefore they are assuredly more successful than you,"
explained the colleague in a conclusive way.

"But I was only talking about individual MATERIAL success!"
complained the one 'upwardly mobile'.

"What could be more individual and material than that which can 
be felt? Perhaps you are in reality a true failure.  Indeed, I
don't think that you've ever FELT success in your entire
adult life!" explained the colleague, quite sternly.

"But what then is Success?" pondered the 'successful one' aloud,
with an empty look in his eyes, disgruntled.

"Realising and living the truth-and always questioning
'success'-- that is Success!" stated the colleague.




The above story was written by 
ANALYS
P.O. Box 572
Station "P"
Toronto, Ontario
Canada
M5S 2T1




Arif Obaid
From: a0a0728@venus.tamu.edu (ATHAR, AAMER)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Looking for Imran Malik
Summary: imran malik
Keywords: looking for
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:25:00 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <6203@public.BTR.COM>, bashirs@public.BTR.COM (Salma Bashir) writes...
>Imran Malik from Islamabad. currenly somewhere in Virginia?
>know him??

	I think I know Imran Malik from Islamabad.  He use to study with me at 
UET, Lahore.
	I am sure that you can get his phone number by calling Asad Saeed at 
(401) 331-4827.  If you have any problems cantact me (Aamer Athar) at (409) 
846-5421.
From: csd0329@ux.acs.umn.edu (Csd0329)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: HELLO
Date: 17 Apr 92 18:25:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: ux.1992Apr17.182532.21848
Organization: University of Minnesota


              HELLO FROM THE GOPHER STATE..MINNESOTA 


  ASALAM-O-ALEKUM   TO  ALL THE PAKISTANI'S (espacially FORMANITES) ON THE NET

  I've just started reading the news a couple of days back and I guess 
  I am gonna  enjoy it.Nothing more to say right now 'cause I have been 
  sitting in front of this dam machine for the last 3 hours and its getting 
  on my nerves.Any way ,catch you guys later.

  Anybody reading it , sorry for interruption
  
  (Salawan lakum)                        
  ASIM BEG (FORMANITE)
  Institute Of Technology
  Dept. Of EE
  U. Of Minn.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj)
Subject: Re: Women and Burqa: Analyzing the recent discussion
Organization: State University of New York at Albany
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 21:13:12 GMT

In article <12155@tamsun.tamu.edu> gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
>So wearing the hijab boils down to whether or not Islam mandates it. 
>You say your thought processes would have been moulded in a different way
>if it was already considered mandatory and therefore you would probably 
>not be in a postion to reject it.

	[criteria for followup experiment deleted but replied to]

	You did not take note of the second part of my post which
	stated that part of my faith in Islam is a faith in the 
	fairness of Islam.  This is not the fairness of the maulanas
	and mullahs who do and preach many things in the name of 
	Islam.  It is the Islam I have come to know much better in
	my investigation.  To me Islam is the religion which brought
	women up from the dredges of Jahilia.  It brought women their
	rights.  It gave them the right to inherit and not be 
	inherited.  It gave women the right to education, the right
	to be treated as people and not property.  This is why I
	can't stand it when people use the name of Islam to put
	women down.  That is why I try to justify my actions through
	the Quran instead of simply ignoring the issue and doing things
	my way.  I have been told by many that I should simply ignore
	purdah since nobody follows it these days anyway.  Well what's
	the point of declaring yourself a part of a faith if you are
	just going to ignore it?  
	
	The cultural tendencies of the whole world up until about
	30 years ago were to place women as second class citizens,
	even in the good ol' USA.  It is still happening, even in
	this country.  Muslims are a product of 1400 years of a rigid 
	world culture which places women in a subordinate position and 
	cannot accept the fact that Islam does not do that.  The women
	who were the wives of the Prophet and who were part of his
	household were very powerful, vital figures in Islamic history.
	Those who try to put women down forget this history.
	
	If Islam did, as you are stating in your thought experiment, put
	women in that subordinate position, I would be extremely
	disappointed and disillusioned.  I would have a crisis of faith.
  	I have no idea what I would do.

	I know this doesn't give you the definite answer you are looking
	for.  I just don't know what more to say.

Khudahafiz

Yasmin

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From: ahsan@field.ecn.purdue.edu (Ahsan Ale-Rasool)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Curses, Beliefs of Mirza Qadiyani
Date: 7 Apr 92 21:18:04 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

Mr. Arshad Hussain writes :
 
   > Allah's curse on those who hear a rumor and spread it as a fact.

INSHA'ALLAH


Mr. Nasir Noor writes :

   > Lana-tullah-e-Allal-Kaz-e-been.
   > (May Allahs curse be on liar)

INSHA'ALLAH again


But Mr. Arshad Hussain says and quotes that Mirza Qadiyani believed that
there will be no Prophet after Muhammed (P.B.U.H) [No Doubt] while 
Mr. Nasir Noor says and quotes that Mirza Qadiyani himself said that
he is a prophet and Mr. Noor believes that Mirza Qadiyani is a prophet.
Mr. Arshad believes that Jesus was not born without a father while Mr. Noor
believes that he was.

          Please be clear about the beliefs of Mirza Qadiyani.

          Did Qadiyani say contradictory things that he was both
          a prophet and not a prophet (i.e believed in the finality
          of Muhammad's (P.B.U.H) Prophethood?

         Now which one is spreading rumors and which one is lying?

MAY ALLAH's CURSE BE ON THOSE WHO MISQUOTE QURAN (THE WORDS OF ALLAH)
AND AHADEETH (THE SAYINGS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD (P.B.U.H) AND ON THOSE
WHO CHANGE THE ORDERS OF ALLAH.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.pakistan:6401 soc.culture.bangladesh:2377 soc.culture.indian:14243
From: misra@festus.ksu.ksu.edu (Boo!)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh,soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Yet more excerpts
Date: 13 Apr 1992 14:39:27 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: festus.ksu.ksu.edu

In article <Idu8Q1C00VB=N8ylAV@andrew.cmu.edu> "Arun K. Gupta" <ag3l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>Re: Muslim Situation in India
>
>I would like to point out that Mohammed Nejatullah Siddiqui, whose
>credentials are : Professor of Economics in a university in Saudi
>Arabia, is, as far as I know, an Indian. If you read closely, you
>would see that he was formerly of Aligarh Muslim University. In
>any case, he is no more responsible for what goes in Saudi Arabia

	Even if he was "responsible" there is nothing he could do.
in saudi arabia. or kuwait and the host of kingdoms.


>
>I would like to ask people like Anil Trivedi and Kuram T.
>Narayana -- Which Muslims do you want to deal with, if not
>these ? If these people are `communal-leftist-liberal' etc.,
>then who is left ?

	Maybe then it is time that the Islamic world start dealing 
with Israel instead of trying to push them into the sea.

>Yet, the intense dislike and unwillingness to listen to
>the authors I've posted here, is so intensely clear from
>their posts !!!

	Oh.. i see.. that clears is all up. 
>
>-arun gupta
>ag3L@andrew.cmu.edu