HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.beer
Subject: Re: other fun mistranslations..
From: filippi1@scws2.harvard.edu (David Filippi)
Date: 13 Apr 92 22:51:33 EDT
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1992Apr11.024539.15285@ra.msstate.edu> skip@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Skip 'AdaX' Sauls) writes:
>
>Cool!  Another Amiga advocate reading alt.beer!  Weird as it sounds, I
>just posted a request for favorite beers in comp.sys.amiga.advocacy.

All I can say is, you shouldn't drink and shop for computers at the same time.

:)
--Dave


Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Re: Digits in the Driver's license number
Reply-To: moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 20:18:46 GMT


In article <32237@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown Matt) writes:
|>In article <1992Apr6.035241.12966@e2big.mko.dec.com> moroney@ramblr.enet.dec.com writes:
|>}I live in Mass. as well and I also have one of those "made-up" numbers.
|>
|>	I guess I agree in principle to the Soc. Sec. Act, but I honestly
|>don't see why someone would get one of those made-up numbers. Could you
|>please enlighten me? (Others may be interested too).. It seems that neither
|>the Prisoner complex ("I am not a number, I am a free man!") or the 
|>Bob Seger complex ("I feel like a number") apply, because you are just trading
|>one number for another number.
|>
|>	What is the big deal about your Soc. Sec. number getting out?  I'm
|>not trying to be rude or sarcastic, I'm serious..

The Mass. Registry of Motor Vehicles does not need my SSAN for employment or
tax purposes.  They simply need a unique number that identifies me from all
other Mass. drivers.  They have such a number, they created it when I got my
license.

I am against the idea of a national ID number.  This is what various government
agencies are attempting to use the SSAN for.

Criminals are usually not stupid enough to use their own SSAN.  They'll use
someone else's or make one up.  I'd rather not get stopped for a traffic
violation and wind up with the officer's gun at my head because my SSAN
was used by a dangerous criminal sometime.

In addition to criminal use, errors have been entered into various databases
and duplicate SSANs have been issued.  By using separate numbers for separate
functions, the possible damage that may spread from database to database is
limited.  This overlooks privacy issues involved, of course.

Anyone can get my complete drivers license info if they supply enough info
to the Registry if Motor Vehicles to uniquely identify me and $1.  My driver's
license number would be part of the info supplied.  If my social security
number was my ID number for a variety of governmental functions, they could
chase down this number anywhere and get personal info about me.

Once they know my SSAN they can pretend to be me and get an estimated salary
history.

This all may sound paranoid, but it is much better to exersize my right under
the Privacy Act of 1974 needlessly, than not to and regret it later.

-Mike
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: john_newman@qmcc.curtin.edu.au (John Newman)
Subject: Re: Plane story
Organization: Computing Centre, Curtin University, Perth, Western Australia
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:39:33 GMT


On a recent flight from Sydney to Perth, the senior flight
attendant finished off the ususal life jacket demonstration with:
"....and when you are in the water blow on this little whistle
to attract attention - and if you girls get lucky you might
be picked up by a passing boat load of sailors."

The passengers who were actually listening broke up when they
heard this little deviation from the standard line.

 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ 
\  John Newman               Internet:John_Newman@QMCC.curtin.edu.au     /
/  Computing Centre,         "There is less to this than meets the eye." \
\  Curtin University,                - Tallulah Bankhead                 /
/  Perth,  Western Australia                                             \
\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
From: u8802356@cs.uow.edu.au (Elephant)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: The Philadelphia Experiment (?)
Date: 15 Apr 92 01:27:31 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

warren@nysernet.org (Warren Burstein) writes:

>In <1992Apr11.011443.5236@nmt.edu> houle@nmt.edu (Paul Houle) writes:

>>	As I told the good DOCTOR long ago,  the PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT was
>>a SUCCESFUL TEST of EINSTEIN'S unified FIELD equations.

>This is great stuff.  Someone should teach the Pleiadians to use
>capital letters like this.

He should be writing for 'The Picture' !

>> IN TEN YEARS, this will become availible to YOU from the PHONE COMPANY
>> as a service that by dialing *647351845###646412* will INSTANTLY
>> transport any HARRASSING caller to your FRONT DOOR.

>I hope they build this into my newsreader, too.  Gives a whole new
>meaning to kill files.  And you won't just get mail from Kibo, he'll
>come by to visit.

A pitty it only works on harrassing callers though, or can you
include polite people, friends and family at some additional cost ?

Elephant
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From: magnus@solaris.astro.uu.se (Magnus Selhammar)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.mcdonalds
Subject: Re: McMouse!
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:33:25 GMT
Organization: Astronomiska Observatiet i Uppsala

There have been numerous of these stories since dawn of history, almost
everyone false. In Sweden they are usually on pizzas.

Magnus
From: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Dolphins: Nature's dunces?
Date: 9 Apr 92 22:28:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: dog.22613
Reply-To: jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov
Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.254.198
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4

>> Countless slasher movies have conclusively proven that [investigating
>> strange noises] is NOT survival behavior.  You would think that by
>> movie#5 or #6, natural selection would result in a massive apathy
>> toward strange noises.

>The teenagers in such movies who show any inclination towards breeding
>at all are usually the first to go.  I'd say that slasher movies depict
>a non-Darwinian ecology.

I once read an extremely funny and insightful analysis of the murky
psychosexual standards that dictate who gets whacked in a slasher
movie, particularly the horny-teenager variety.  They are actually
morality plays, after a fashion, and tend to adhere to a certain formula.

Me, I'll stick to innovative and unpredictable entertainments such 
as "Star Trek," hoping that, since this is an even-numbered week in a
month that begins with a vowel, the next episode will NOT involve 
something peculiar about the space-time continuum in which the 
Enterprise gets trapped. 

--Joe "Why not Jamie Lee Curtis as ship's counselor?" Chew
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From: MEDELMA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Michael Edelman)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.science
Subject: Re: CATV monitoring, Tempest screening (was Re: FCC Call letters)
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:32:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: cms.167C1944E.MEDELMA
Organization: Wayne State University

In article <1992Apr6.105911.2329@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
mpevans@isis.cs.du.edu (Mark Evans) writes:
 
>It is a lot easier to detect if a set is being operated, than to actually
>determine what is being watched.
>For the latter a stationary receiver is required, anyone driving  down a
>streetould have to do a "stop, start" form of driving.
>Thus would be highly obvious both to hoseholders and the local cops.
 
It's extremely easy to do this. Read "Spycatcher" for details of how
the IF-tuning system works. All you need is a rather small antenna or
a pseudo-doppler system- either of which can be conceled- and a vehicle.
In fact, you don't want to stop to take bearings. Moving averages out
errors from reflections and multipath. We amateur radio operators do
this all the time. In contests it often takes as little as 30 minutes
to locate a transmitter operating intermittently from 10 miles
away in an urban environment. To actually monitor a targeted house is
trivial.
           --mike
From: chuck_adams@qmail.ssc.gov (Chuck Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Near Beer (Was:  Re: some old uls)
Date: 6 Apr 92 17:39:34 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory

In article <1992Apr4.021922.26849@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG> phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG 
(Phil Gustafson) writes:

> ObUL: Fresh orange juice has more alcohol in it than non-alcoholic
> (<0.5%) wine and beer.

I was thinking of something similar to this last week and made a note of 
it for future afu fodder:

I have heard that the so-called "non-alcoholic" beers on the market are 
verbotten for recovering alcoholics (esp those in A.A.-type programs) 
because these "near-beers" still have some alcohol in them (perhaps the 
<0.5% figure Phil quoted?).  The story is that even this small amount of 
alcohol could cause a relapse of the recovering alcoholic and cause him to 
get back on the "hard stuff".

               Chuck Adams,  WB5WRR   (The Puhpxfgre)
                Internet:  chuck_adams@qmail.ssc.gov
   Disclaimer:  Not an official document of DOE, SSCL, URA or EG&G
                   "Curses!  Flamed Again"  - me
From: Jay.Ashworth@f160.n3603.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jay Ashworth)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Worm song?
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 92 14:10:00 EDT
Organization: FidoNet node 1:3603/160 - Hacker's Haven, Clearwater FL

 > The '50's started several musical fads.  Some repeating formats were a
 > pseudo-Martian invasion "narrated" by a Walter Winchell-type newscaster
 > ala the Untouchables (TV, not Kevin Costner, Robert Stack) that was mostly
 > made up from clips of many then-current top-40 records.  Anyone remember
 > any of these?  (I believe Blotto did one in the '80's.)

Yep.  Dickie Goodman.  _Great_ stuff.  My sister has several of his albums. Unfortunately, she's 1500 miles away...

Cheers,
-- jra

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From: jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (james.w.lacey)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Flip-Tops for Kidney Dialysis UL (?)
Date: 8 Apr 92 21:36:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

Every now and then, I see appeals from someone collecting
flip-tops from soda cans as a way to fund someone's dialysis
treatment.  This sounds like an urban legend to me,
since it is my understanding that the federal government
funds dialysis and kidney transplants, as part of medicare/medicaid.
(This from friends in the medical field, the logic of federal
funding being that dialysis is too expensive for the large
majority of people to afford.)

I recently had the chance to ask one of the people collecting
the flip-tops what organization or clinic was accepting them.
All I got was a vague "friend-of-a-friend" answer and
a promise to get back to me with more info.  This sounds
like an urban legend to me.

Has this been brought up before on a.f.u and is there some
"straight dope" (ie, documentation) on the story?


-- 
Jim Lacey          
my own opinions    
email:  att!cbnewsl!jlacey  or  jlacey@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
From: chuck_adams@qmail.ssc.gov (Chuck Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Flute tuning (Re: Radio UL)
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:52:10 GMT
Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory

In article <STEINAR.92Apr9194309@faust.solan.unit.no> 
steinar@faust.solan.unit.no (Cindy Kandolf) writes:
> Actually, all woodwind instruments can be tuned this way.  On instruments
> that have a mouthpiece, the mouthpiece can be adjusted by pushing it
> in slightly or pulling it out slightly - and as it turns out slightly is
> enough.  I'm not exactly sure what happens to double-reeded instruments,
> like the oboe, which do not have a mouthpiece, but i do know they are 
> tuneable. 
> 
> It's a good thing, too.  Musical instruments, particularly the better
> quality ones, always differ slightly from other instruments of the same
> type.  If you couldn't tune a flute, the flute section would be out of 
tune
> with itself, and potentially with the rest of the orchestra or band.  
This
> would be a nightmare for anyone not completely tone deaf.  
> 
> Also, i'm not so sure i'd say the flute is "often" a tuning reference.
> I've played in concert bands, orchestras, and a jazz band, and we almost 
> never used the flute....it's just too quiet to be heard clearly unless 
> the ensemble is quite small

The Oboe tunes by the fact that the reed   double reed can be pulled in 
and out.

Most groups I have been with over the years (Concert Bands, Orchestras, 
Wind Symphonies, etc) use the clarinet for a pitch reference.  I have 
given MANY  C's on the clarinet (Concert B flat) for tuning purposes.

               Chuck Adams,  WB5WRR   (The Puhpxfgre)
                Internet:  chuck_adams@qmail.ssc.gov
   Disclaimer:  Not an official document of DOE, SSCL, URA or EG&G
                   "Curses!  Flamed Again"  - me

Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia!
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG (Phil Gustafson)
Subject: Marilyn Really Doesn't Have to be too Goddam Smart to Keep Her Job
Keywords: dangers of interbreeding and excess fiber
Organization: Posh Old Hat's Club
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:23:41 GMT


As long as she gets questions like this, her job at Parade is safe:

  You pour one cup of 100% bran cereal in a bowl.  Then you pour one cup
  of 40% bran cereal on top of it.  What percent bran cereal do you now
  have in the bowl?  My wife says 140%, and my brother-in-law says 60%.
  I say it depends on whether you pour the 100% bran cereal or the 40%
  bran cereal in the bowl first [!? -- ed] -- that is, whether you want to
  dilute or add.  Who's right?

I'm not making this up, you know.

No fucking wonder the Japanese are trouncing us.

Meanwhile, over on rec.org.mensa, people were recently taking Ms. vos Savant
to task for wasting her valuable brainpower writing for a lower-middlebrow
giveaway rag like Parade.  These are people who use their own time going to
Mensa meetings and posting to Newsweek.

Phil "This isn't alt.peeves?  Never mind" Gustafson


-- 
|play: phil@zorch.SF-Bay.ORG; {ames|pyramid|vsi1}!zorch!phil                |
|work: phil@gsi; sgi!gsi!phil            | Phil Gustafson                   |
|          "Everything not forbidden is compulsory"                         |
|                     The world in general, especially Republicans          |
From: robin@aus.intel.com (robin rosenbaum)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: "Cute" animals vs. Food animals was Re: Cat food marketed as Tuna
Keywords: cute cows Spinal Tap
Date: 8 Apr 92 19:32:02 GMT
Organization: Development Tools Operation, Intel Corp.

In article <1992Apr5.021707.8716@descartes.waterloo.edu> sfshaw@descartes.waterloo.edu (Steve Shaw (Flipper)) writes:
>Cindy Kandolf writes:
>>
>>.... where do we draw the line
>>between what's edible and what's "cute", ergo taboo? 
>
>I personally find cows to be among the cutest animals ever to evolve. 
>...
>To get to the point, about the only thing I like better than a moo cow
>is a steak. Or a hamburger. Anything with cow in it.
>
>-Steve "cute and tasty too" Shaw

One thing that bothered me when I was little (7yrs, 9yrs, or so) was when
some friend of the family would call me "a darling little lamb."
My mother is the world's greatest cook when it comes to mutton; she served
leg o' lamb often, and especially for dinner guests.

Robin "not your little cabbage either by gum" Hilp
==========================================================================
"The wild things said, "Oh, please don't go.  We'll eat you up, we love
you so!"  _Where the Wild Things Are_ by Maurice Sendak
==========================================================================
From: cullen@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Lightbulbs
Date: 7 Apr 92 03:07:46 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <22474@dog.ee.lbl.gov>, jtchew@csa3.lbl.gov (JOSEPH T CHEW) writes:
> 
> Reminds me of a Choking Doberman-style UL passed along to me by a
> by a neighbor who is a power-plant operator.  Burglars break into
> what they think is an abandoned building at a power plant (I believe 
> he was referring to the Hunters Point station in San Francisco) and 
> attempt to steal copper bus bars. Which, as they discover the hard 
> way, are still energized.  Either a badly burned survivor or a corpse 
> is found the next morning at the chain-link fence surrounding the plant.
> 
Something the same happened in Trenton, Nova Scotia, this summer. Two locals
tried to steal some abandoned copper wire. They were winding the wire up and
putting it in a rowboat. However, they shorted the abandoned line to a
13800V line on the next pole, killed themselves and started a grass fire.
The bodies were discovered by the local fire department.

						Murray
						Cullen@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: Ben Fulton <fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Boldly Not Going Where No Man Has Not Gone Before
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:26:20 -0500

I tried to mail this, but it bounced, so...

In alt.folklore.urban Cindy Kandolf writes:

>Similar case: the lawn behind the Phallic Symbol-oops!- Cathedral of
>Learning had a sign on it saying something about "No playing football
>or soccer on this lawn!"  This just meant people played frisbee, baseball,
>and just about every other outdoor game except football and soccer.  Those

That's a reasonable rule.  Football and soccer players tend to wear cleats
that are designed to tear through the grass for traction.  They'll hurt
the grass a lot more than normal shoes if done over a period of time.

ben, who always wears cleats to play frisbee
fulton@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
right here, right now
there is no other place I'd rather be!
From: morris@anasaz (Bob Morris)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Swallowing and breathing (was Re: Baby swimming UL)
Date: 13 Apr 92 17:12:29 GMT
Organization: Anasazi, Inc.  Phoenix, Az

In article <32531@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (99E99) writes:
>
>	Up until they are about 6 months old, babies can swallow and 
>breathe at the same time..
>
>	(Damn, I wish I could do that!)

I saw a TV show (probably on PBS) wherein somebody theorized that an
important step in human evolution was when we LOST that ability.  All
of the other apes can do it, but they can't talk because of it.  We
traded the swallow while breathing ability for the ability to talk.
It costs us a few deaths by choking, but that's a small price to pay.

Now, do you still wish you could do that?

I'll bet dolphins can breath while swallowing, too.

Bob "chokes me up just thinking about it" Morris
aka morris@anasazi.com  (new address)
anasaz!morris@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (old address still works)
My opinions only, of course...
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thursday, 9 Apr 1992 20:59:07 EDT
From: <PDA101@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Falling Bullets


In article <12095@tamsun.tamu.edu>, glp7584@tamuts.tamu.edu (Gordon Lee Powell
Jr) says:
>
>
>Reading this paragraph would indicate that you believe that the speed of
>sound is somehow related to the density of the air.  It is not.
>The speed of sound in air is only dependant on the temperature of the
>air.  If you wanted to get technical, though, you could also take into
>account that the force of gravity is less at high altitude.
>
>Density is what concerns us here.  Nothing more, and nothing less.
>
  Sorry for barging in like this on the conversation, but hmmmm,
I think I remember that maybe there is a relationship between temperature
and density.
  Every hear of equations of state? As in p=f(rho,T)...
For example, for a perfect gaz (I know, at high alt, not a very good
aprox, but simple enough..):
      p = rho*R*T
  Which means, since a = sqrt(gamma*R*T).....a=sqrt(gamma*p/rho)

  just my 2 c worth..
  --Paul
    Aerosp. Eng Dept, CFD Lab
    PennState U.
From: weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Such a deal!
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:29:44 GMT
Reply-To: weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu (Matthew P Wiener)
Organization: The Wistar Institute of Anatomy and Biology
In-reply-to: russ@bbx.basis.com (Russ Kepler)

In article <273@bbx.basis.com>, russ@bbx (Russ Kepler) writes:
>To be charitable I've ascribed the bad puzzle definition to shortened
>descriptions due to column length (or the lack thereof).  But this 
>appears to be a long term problem...

I assume Marylin is edited, like just about every other columnist.
-- 
-Matthew P Wiener (weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu)
From: djb6@ellis.uchicago.edu (dennis joseph brennan)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: The Philadelphia Experiment (?)
Summary: invisible battleship
Keywords: Duke, Michigan, basketball, marijuana, linoleum
Date: 8 Apr 92 17:12:36 GMT
Reply-To: djb6@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

If this hasn't been beaten to death already (I didn't find it in two readings
of the FAQ so here goes)...

The Philadelphia Experiment:
The US Navy performs an experiment in the Philadelphia navyyard to
either turn a battleship invisible or to teleport it to Norfolk, I'm not
sure which.  The ship was manned at the time.  The experiment failed and 
to this day there are insane sailors wandering around Philadelphia turning
invisible and psychotic at random.

Dennis Brennan
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: paul@xcluud.sccsi.com (Paul Hutmacher)
Subject: Re: Run out of town on a rail
Keywords: eat more cruciferous vegetables for Jesus.
Organization: Greater Montrose UFO Appreciation Society & Data Haven
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1992 03:04:34 GMT

In article <ktuhtvINNgdk@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> linden@ella.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden) writes:
>
>This week's phrase is "run out of town on a rail".
>It means to eject someone in disgrace.
>But why add "on a rail"?
>What does it come from?

One of my old Mark Twain books has an illustration of two carpet baggers 
tied hang and foot, tarred and feathered, and suspended from a rail being
carried out of town and dumped on the outskirts.

Perhaps the rail was so the good townspeople didn't get tar on their hands.


-- 
Paul Hutmacher  |     paul@xcluud.sccsi.com      |  .. like desperados
Houston, Texas  |  {nuchat,lobster}!xcluud!paul  |  waiting for a train.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Terry Monks @ yp.egypt (others hit N  now)
From: rossiter_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz
Date: 9 Apr 92 08:30:16 GMT
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wellington, NZ

Terry:
I tried to reply to your message but our nameserver cannot resolve the 
hostname yp.egypt.  Please contact me again.
Pat
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From: brenda@bookhouse.Eng.Sun.COM (Brenda Bowden)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,misc.kids
Subject: Padaroosky lyrics (was Re: Other Goofy Songs)
Date: 9 Apr 92 19:18:54 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bookhouse

In article <1992Apr09.053754.2486469@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>
>Add "Padaroosky Blow Your Horn" (a little known ditty from camp) and
>"Pickle-O-Minnie" (equally obscure).
>

"Padaroosky..." was one of my all-time favorite silly camp songs. I can only
remember bits and pieces of it -- does anyone remember the lyrics?

Thanks in advance,
Brenda 
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban