From: CIR_TLW@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Tristia Watson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps
Subject: Kermit File Transfer w/ Windows Terminal
Date: 18 Dec 1992 10:41:38 -0600
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The original question was:
>>>Has anyone tried using Kermit under Windows 3.1 Terminal? I have some
>>>problem using it. For example how do you terminate a Kermit session? There
>>>isn't any Kermit Finish, Kermit Get commands etc. Would appreciate any help?
>>>Thanks and regards.
>
The first reply was:
>>Sounds to me like you are confused about the meaning of kermit.
>>Kermit is two things.  1. There are programs called kermit (eg MacKermit
>>MSKermit, and in the UK BBCKermit) that are terminal emulator programs.
>>2. Kermit is the name of a file transfer protocol.
>>Now Windows Terminal is a terminal emulator program, and it includes
>>the ability to do file transfers using the kermit protocol.
>>You start Sending or Receiving by issuing commands via menus and
>>dialogue boxes, not by using commands like you would if running the MSKermit
>>program.
>>Hope this helps.

Unfortunately it doesn't help.  Yes, Windows Terminal is a terminal
emulation program and includes a file transfer utility and yes, Kermit is a
file transfer program.  The problem occurs when you try to get the two
transfer programs to work together.

The next message was:
>Perhaps you want to do what took me ages to crack: send a file from the
>pc to the remote machine?  I start Kermit on the remote computer (Sun),
>and then select Send Binary File from Terminal's Transfer menu.  (Start
>Kermit with kermit -i -r to receive).  Then select your file to send,
>and it goes.  The kermit session on the Sun then terminates
>automatically once the transfer is finished.
>You can send the other way (remote to pc) using kermit -i -s and Receive
>Binary File from the Transfer menu.
>Does this explain it (I can't be doing with all this talk of protocols
>in general)?  Good luck!

This explains what we want to do, but on a UNIX machine.  Here is my
situation which sounds exactly like the first question;  We are trying to
use Windows Terminal (version 3.1) to transfer files from our VAX/VMS
system using the Kermit protocol via modem or direct line.  This is what
happens:

When trying to send the file from PC to VAX, I enter the SERV command.  
Kermit resonds with a message about the server being running, and
to enter "BYE" at the Kermit prompt to exit.  I then start a BINARY file
transfer from Windows Terminal.  (Binary is the only option in TERMINAL that
allows a KERMIT protocol, TEXT transfers can only use Flow Control or XMODEM).

Windows TERMINAL then puts  it's progress meter, which acts like it is doing
the file transfer.  When it finishes, the session in TERMINAL is hung up.  No
keyboard commands can be entered, and the session is not back at the KERMIT
prompt.  I think that the VAX is still waiting for the file to be sent
(but this is only a hypothesis).

My only option is to end the Windows Terminal session, redial in, and NOT
reconnect to that process.

When trying to send a file from the VAX to the PC, I enter the commands as
directed, and start a receive file on TERMINAL.  Nothing happens, the status
line in TERMINAL shows 0 Bytes received.  Eventually the VAX responds with
an error message that gets partially overtyped, but in part reads
"- RETRYS  Too Many Retries".  At that point I can Exit Kermit on the
VAX and get back to business.

I hope that this adequately describes the problem.  If anyone has any
ideas, suggestions, SOLUTIONS! please, PLEASE post them because this is
evidently not an isolated case. (Or if you can only read and not post to
news, send it to me and I'll summarize the ideas/suggestions/solutions)

I apologize for making this so long, but it had to be done!

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