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From: ccjg@kudu.ru.ac.za (John Goetsch)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Antonov AH-26...  What is it?
Date: 29 Jul 92 06:26:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: kudu.ccjg.712391196
Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa

Hi, 

I read about the guys out there trying to jump as many different
aircraft as possible, and was hoping that one of you could help me.... 

I am going to be jumping an Aeroflot Antonov AH-26, but know nothing
about it other than that it is a ramp exit, turbo prop ship.

Does anybody have any other info for me, like how many jumpers etc etc

Thanks in advance.

John
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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.FIDONET.ORG (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Skydiving in CA
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:01:32 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: brandon heess

 BH>   Is there any place close to Burbank (Los Angeles) 
 BH> that I can go to to learn how to skydive (well, be 
 BH> strapped to the front of someone, anyway..)?

Hey, it's me.  I bet you didn't know I was a jumper eh?

Anyway, see if you can talk Brian into it, and we'll all go some weekend.  There are several places within 60 or 90 minutes of here.
bc


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From: drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Douglas R Puchalski)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: weirdest items lost in freefall
Date: 30 Jul 92 02:42:40 GMT
Reply-To: drp40@cd.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, CA

In article <13856@mindlink.bc.ca>, Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs) writes:
>     Some places have done pumpkin passes at Hallowe'en; you
>have to spot well away from anyone in case you drop the pumpkin
>on opening.  And I've seen film of a watermelon (complete with
>bomb fins) splattering quite nicely.

I heard a story about a little old lady who had a pumpkin crash
through her roof at 120 mph and plant itself in the middle of
her living room...

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From: markus@dxcern.cern.ch (Markus Baertschi)
Subject: Re: Gifs & Info about Hang Gliding
Organization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:07:47 GMT


>Does anyone know where I can find Gif's and info about
>hang gliding?

  I have some Paragliding pictures available on anonymous ftp on
  oahu.cern.ch. Maybe this is a start ?

  Markus

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From: sparkie@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn)
Subject: Re: Two canopies out
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 16:33:51 GMT

In article <408.2A729FE9@ehsnet.fidonet.org> SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.FIDONET.ORG  
(SKYDIVE) writes:
>Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
>Fido-To: dsouth@uoft02.utoledo.edu
>
>> Even the two squares open issue has a couple of sides to it.  If I have
>> both canopies out in my own personal down plane, I'm going to chop.  If
>> instead I have a side by side configuration, I intend 

>I wonder what the motivation is for keeping both canopies.  

If you're main and square reserve are flying compatibly, the reason for keeping  
both canopies is to avoid the main entangling with the reserve.  If you did get  
an entanglement, the best case would be a reserve that is almost impossible to  
control, while in the worst case, you could end up with a streamer above your  
head.
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From: Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca (Charlie Gibbs)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: WANTED: skydiving songs
Date: 28 Jul 92 00:14:02 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

In article <12949@chalmers.se> d6jvb@dtek.chalmers.se
(Johan von Boisman) writes:

>I'm trying to put together a party song book for our club
>(Gothenburg Parachute Club) and wonder if anybody has some
>skydiving related songs.

     Someone once tossed out a couple of lines and I felt
compelled to complete it.  Sing it to "Act Naturally"
(with a bit of Ringo's country twang...)

They're gonna put me in a big star
They're gonna make a base man out of me
They'll make a star around a man that's fat and heavy
And all I gotta do is fall stably

Well I bet you it's gonna be a big star
Might get a ten-way, you can never tell
The big guns gonna make me a big star
If I don't blow it all to hell

Well I hope you'll come and see me down in Z-Hills
Then I'll know that you will plainly see
The biggest toad that ever got an 8-way
And all I gotta do is fall stably

Charlie_Gibbs@mindlink.bc.ca
"I'm cursed with hair from HELL!"  -- Night Court
From: angus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris McRoberts)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: weirdest items lost in freefall
Keywords: protec helmet
Date: 28 Jul 92 17:11:43 GMT
Reply-To: angus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Chris McRoberts)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: angus@mickey.cc.utexas.edu

This past weekend, I was doing AFF level 3  when at about 10000ft I lost my
helmet. It had a velcro attachment instead of a snap on one.

I was wondering if  anyone else has lost any unusual items while they were
falling at 120mph towards the earth. My roommate threw his ripcord at the 
jumpmaster in his level 3.


blue skys

angus



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From: rwheeler@elf7.pa.dec.com (Rob Wheeler)
Subject: 54way.jpg (0 of 3)
Reply-To: rwheeler@pa.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 02:49:35 GMT

This is an image of a 54 way built over Skydance Skydiving in Davis, CA.
The photo was taken with a medium format camera by Chris Conkright.  You
can get prints of this image from him:

On the Fly Productions:
(916) 758-7282

The prints are beautiful!

-R
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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.FIDONET.ORG (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Skydiving in CA
Date: 15 Jul 92 02:46:52 GMT

Reply-to: Brandon.Heess@p6.f851.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Brandon Heess)
Fido-To: all

All:

  Is there any place close to Burbank (Los Angeles) that I can go to to learn how to skydive (well, be strapped to the front of someone, anyway..)?

Brandon
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From: fsbgf@acad3.alaska.edu
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: weirdest items lost in freefall
Date: 30 Jul 92 03:20:17 GMT
Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks

I was at the state fair up here a couple of years back and during a
demo jump, one of the people lost his shoe over the crowd. It came down 
and hit right in front of this guy who wasn't paying attention. I think 
it clipped the end off the hotdog he had in his mouth... *grin*
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From: bdaniels@groucho.DHL.COM (Ben Daniels)
Subject: A jump story
Organization: DHL Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 19:31:46 GMT

In email tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude) said something
about relative work and then asked

> when's the last time you made a jump?

So I wrote the following answer. Today I'm sitting here so thrilled
with being at work that I was day dreaming about that and realized
it would make a nice post. So here... a jump story ...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

I made a couple jumps on Sept 1st two years ago. Sept 1st because
that's the day I started (1962). I hadn't jumped in about 5 years.
I've only made 20 or 30 jumps since 1980.

In one way it was all totally familiar - chuting up - the ride up.
I love these new planes (a King Air at Skydance) - no droning around
all day just to get to altitude.

In another way I was scared shitless and I could really feel it - no
callouses. Jump run came and 2 or 3 groups got out. I gave the last one
a few seconds and dove out.

God! That feeling when you first hit the air is so good! It all comes
back. The plane goes diving past and lands before we do. I kind of
watch the people down below but not really. Just lay there in free
plummet. Feel the wind - the sky - life. Free fall is a long time
when you're not doing anything. I used to do that every 100 jumps or
so. Just go make a long free fall all by myself.

Around 10 grand this tremendous choking rush of fear comes up out of
my stomach and up my spine and my hair stands up and almost knocks my
helmet off. God I'm way up here! And the ground is way down there!
And I'm FALLING! Lasts about 3 or 4 seconds. Whew! That was intense.

Maybe that is why we like relative work so much. It is kind of
reassuring to have all those other people around. Takes our minds
off of the idea that we are way up here with nothing but that little
piece of nylon.

Down around 6 grand I feel the air start warming up. It is summer
time down there. The ground is getting closer.

Down the gravity well. It's so free up here. Why do I have to ... ?

4 grand. It's downright hot now. Surely it's time to pull. I can
almost touch the trees with my hand. I remember this effect from
before. Ground rush starts high on those long tall falls. I never
pull flat and stable anyway. I'm always tracking away from something.

Drop into a track. YES! ZOOOM! Across the fields. I love it! It's all
back in perspective now. That's another thing I used to do every 50
jumps or so was go up to 8 or 9 grand and just track. Can't see
the motion across the ground if you go much higher than that anyway.

And there's the moment. I'd know it anywhere.
Pilot chute out russle russle ker-Flate!

"Thankyou."

I always looked up and thanked my canopy when it opened.
We had a very close relationship.

So that was a jump. I made another one that day which I spent
tracking all over the place in my famous patented Skratch Garrison
palms up track. Hah! Well it always worked for me. I love to track.

So what kind of relative work do you guys do?


					  Skr

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From: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry Brumitt)
Subject: Re: weirdest items lost in freefall
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:18:57 GMT
Organization: Field Robotics Center, CMU
Reply-To: belboz@frc2.frc.ri.cmu.edu (Barry  Brumitt)

Well, on my AFF 3, I was wearing a protec, glasses and goggles. 

I lost the glasses, but kept both the goggles and the helmet. I think
they vanished around pulltime, because I definitely had them during
freefall, but they weren't there went I saddled out.

So, if your at Parkman Ohio and find a pair of titanium glasses,
please, let me know.

Barry

ps. Made for a *very expensive* jump: $151 + $300.


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From: drp40@cd.amdahl.com (Douglas R Puchalski)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: weirdest items lost in freefall
Date: 29 Jul 92 18:10:00 GMT
Reply-To: drp40@cd.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale, CA

Well, not lost, maybe.  But I still can't figure out how my shoes
*untie* but don't fall off on opening...

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From: rwheeler@elf7.pa.dec.com (Rob Wheeler)
Subject: Re: Twin Bonanza (Was: Re: Long day at the DZ)
Reply-To: rwheeler@pa.dec.com
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 15:40:26 GMT

In article <1992Jul28.144149.10949@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, sparkie@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn) writes:
|>Yeah, right!  I've got over 100 jumps out of Mike's King Air and I have yet to  
|>see a successful launch of anything bigger than a 5-way.  You can get 4 people  
|>outside floating, maybe 5.  That leaves one person in the door for a 5 or 6  
|>way, and 2 - 3 people diving after the base.  While I believe that it's  
|>_possible_ to launch an 8-way from Mike's King Air, I've never seen it done.

I've never jumped from Mike Mullin's King Air, but at Skydance in Davis
we have one or two King Airs (B90's) and we have launched 8-ways.  In fact
for some time the Golden Knights 8-way team had a King Air for their 
practice plane.  I may be mistaken, but I also believe that the King Air
will be used for this years 8-way comp. at the nationals.

-R
From: mohr@leland.Stanford.EDU (Paul William Mohr)
Subject: Re: Wet Air
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 01:59:43 GMT

In article <315.2A6A3B05@ehsnet.fidonet.org> SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.FIDONET.ORG (SKYDIVE) writes:
>Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
>Fido-To: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu

>
> t> and wouldn't a stalled plane naturally dive nose first, 
> t> with the weight being 
> t> towards the nose? or does a stalled plane tend to fall like a brick?
>
>The weight isn't toward the nose.  If anything, it is either centered or 
>(more common, and prefered) toward the tail.  A stalled plane will often 
>end up in a spin.
>
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I hate to correct you, but I'm sure that you made a mistake.  Speaking as
an aerospace engineer, I can say that the mass center of an aircraft which
is to be naturally stable must lie ahead of the center of aerodynamic pressure
(which is typically located near the wings).  All general aviation aircraft
with which I am familiar have the mass center considerably ahead of the center
of aerodynamic pressure, and in fact, the only exceptions that I am aware of
are high-performance military aircraft such as the F-16, and these require
complex computer control systems.

The bottom line is that the weight *is* toward the nose, and if it isn't,
you're going to be in for a real short flight.

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From: artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: 1st Time Jumper
Date: 23 Jul 92 18:08:19 GMT
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA

In article bob@pta.pyramid.com.au (Robert Vernon) /  2:45 am  Jul 22, 1992 /


> If you want to be rich, don't jump.

This all fits in with the old saying:  "How do you make a small 
fortune from skydiving?  Start with a large one!"

Personally, I'm lucky in that I bought a house before I started
jumping...although I've still got a couple of rooms unfurnished.

Blue skies,
Art Bori
D-11402
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From: mark@virtech.uucp (Mark Smith)
Subject: Re: Fruits in Freefall (was: weirdest items lost in freefall)
Reply-To: mark@vti.com
Organization: Virtual Technologies, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 14:09:57 GMT

On a related note, we had a contest at NEPA in Hazelton
to see what would happen with eggs in freefall.  On the
one hand they're very aerodynamic, but on the other hand
they're very light.

The contest proved whether the egg will fall faster, slower
or the same speed as a human.  What do you think happened?
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From: SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.FIDONET.ORG (SKYDIVE)
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving
Subject: Re: Two canopies out
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:04:32 GMT

Reply-to: Bill.Caefer@p0.f853.n102.z1.fidonet.org (Bill Caefer)
Fido-To: dsouth@uoft02.utoledo.edu

> Even the two squares open issue has a couple of sides to it.  If I have
> both canopies out in my own personal down plane, I'm going to chop.  If
> instead I have a side by side configuration, I intend 

> I gather that no one really knows the "right" answer to all of these
> questions.  But wasn't someone going to systematically 
 d> study this?  Is the
> study in progress?

I wonder what the motivation is for keeping both canopies.  If it's just a matter of having to look for the main later, consider this option.  Don't cut away until getting set up for final.  Or when you pass over the DZ at a low enough altitude to try and make your main land there.  It solves the problem and could be fun trying to 'spot' the main.


Spotting practice with toy parachutes carried in your pocket is also fun.  I've even managed to land and catch them.

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From: artb@hplsla.hp.com (Art Bori)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 18:22:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Twin Bonanza (Was: Re: Long day at the DZ)
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.skydiving

In article: sparkie@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn) /  7:41 am  Jul 28, 1992 /

> Haven't jumped  
> a porter, yet, but I've heard it's fun.  The Queen Air looks like a 

There were at least 4 Turbine Porters available to Northwest jumpers.  One
is based at the Kapowsin DZ, one belongs to a Canadian company (flies 
jumpers on the side), and two belonged to Shark Air.  All of them climb 
pretty fast, about 12 minutes to 12,500'.  A full load is 10 jumpers although
it's a bit crowded.  The Kapowsin Porter is especially nice in that there
is a *HUGE* step and plenty of floater grips.  Since the plane flies 
relatively slow on jump run it is easy to get 5-6 floaters plus one person
standing on the wheel.  If you've never seen one, it looks like a stretched
out Cessna tail-dragger with a long nose (i.e., high wing with large struts).

The other Porters are neat to jump in that you can open either or both
doors.  Exits can be fun since you need to think about groups exiting 
from both sides and meeting underneath.  Being able to open either
door also helps out in formation loads.

I mentioned that there use to be 4 since one crashed recently in 
Chilliwack BC.  Another netter (Charolyn?) mentioned it.  Someone's
main opened on exit and tore off the horizontal stabilizer.  Everyone
got out OK including the pilot (his first jump).  Amazingly enough
the plane landed in a backyard between the house, some tall trees, and 
power lines.  There also happened to be some little girls playing
under a tarp in the yard.  They heard a strange noise, a loud crash, and
then the tarp getting soaked with kerosene.  None of the girls were injured.

Blue skies,
Art Bori
D-11402
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From: dbriggs@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Daniel Briggs)
Subject: Re: weirdest items lost in freefall
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 05:22:49 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.002041.12224@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu>
  bchurch@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (Robert Church) writes:

>I went through 1500 on my back with his shoe in my pull hand.

That has *got* to go in the rec.humor.skydiving funny quotes file!  Anyone
want to start one, so that we can put it in it?  (And yes, with a bit of
arm twisting, I might start it myself.)  How shall we decide what goes in
it?  Nominations like this one?

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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Twin Bonanza (Was: Re: Long day at the DZ)
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 03:36:12 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.161654.2122@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> sparkie@spock.cs.wisc.edu (Mark Horn) writes:
>
>Now if we're talking about cool airplanes, we need to mention the Cessna  
>Caravan.  What an airplane!  According to pilots that I've talked to, it flies  
>just like a Cessna 182.  It'll take off and land anywhere you can take off and  
>land a 182.  It's a single turbine prop'ed airplane that climbs to 14000' in  
>about 9-10 minutes.  It's got a door slightly smaller than the door of a Twin  
>Otter, but MUCH bigger than the door of a DC3 or King Air, etc.  You could  
>easily launch a 6 way, and with a little effort you could launch an 8 way.  And  
>the tail is far enough back that it isn't a concern.  That is a fun airplane.   
>Too bad they cost more than a $1Meg to own!

yea, killer plane. it looks just like a mondo 182, even.
performance on par with Mike's KingAir; perhaps a touch slower to climb,
but the one here landed quicker. now i have no idea at all if this is true, 
but i was told that a King Air at Skydive CO would burn 5 gallons of fuel
just taxiing to the runway, where the Caravan only burned 1 gal. maybe
not surprising, sine it's only one engine. also, a CFI friend of mine
tells me there have been only 2 engine failures in the C-208, and one
was related to contaminated fuel.

now Mike claims that 8-ways are regularly launched from his King Air.
i wonder if you could top that with the C-208.

i think used Caravans can be had for about $900,000, compared to 
$250,00ish for a King Air (?); i was told too, that those engines are 
around $250,000 each to overhaul, but i sure don't know.

when the Caravan guys were here, they would on occasion take off in 
spectacular fashion - they'd just barely get off the ground, build 
some airspeed, scare the piss out of everyone as they approached the
end of the runway, then bank HARD and climb incredibly... easily
surpassing thrill of a rollercoaster!
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From: tjreynol@zephyr.cair.du.edu (The Jumpin Dude)
Subject: Re: Two canopies out
Organization: University of Denver
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 02:32:11 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.150646.2526@virtech.uucp> mark@vti.com writes:
>
>I don't think that there could possibly be a reason for keeping
>two perfectly working parachutes over your head.

the guy that did that here a few weeks ago had this reason: 

I didn't want to chop a perfectly good canopy.

>In response(agreement?) to the above statement, I wouldn't want to
>steer a personal side-by-side.  Brrrrr...  gives me the shivers.

he said it flew just fine. his reserve lines are at least a foot 
shorter than his main lines.

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