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From: bwilkins@iat.holonet.net (Bob Wilkins n6fri)
Subject: Re: 430 mhz band under th (now repeater costs)
Organization: the cAVe group
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 02:16:49 GMT

phr@telebit.com (Paul Rubin) writes:
: 
: I don't see any argument from first principles that closed systems
: deserve exclusive use of any spectrum space at all, no matter how
: active they are.  If someone wants to run a closed repeater system,
: maybe they should use a commerical band instead of the amateur service.
: I can think of some reasons for allowing some closed systems (if active),
: but I'm not totally swayed.  

There is no commercial spectrum available for the type of communications
that amateurs are accustomed to making. Part 90 commercial stations are
typically prohibited from making personal comms. Just the opposite of what
we do best. 

In the Sunnyvale area there are a choice of several hundred repeaters on
all bands to choose from. Over half of them are open. The problem comes
when a new ham wants to put up a 2meter or 440 repeater in Sunnyvale and
finds a repeater on each frequency. Some of the repeaters are slightly
used, both open and closed. Do you ever wonder why? Do a band scan of 440
and mark down the actively used frequencies ...what is the percentage of
open vs closed?  You may be surprised. Are the conversations of interest
to you on repeaters that are open or closed?

There is still spectrum available. I know of 200 repeater pairs available
in the Sunnyvale area. Yes.. they are available on 1280 MHz . Im operating
on 440 because in 1967 the coordinators said there were no more 2 meter
frequencies available. Oh well...

You know that many nets operate on 20 40 75 meters, they are essentially
closed nets for the most part. Only open to the partisipants. It is rare
that anyone jumps up and down about that.

-- 
Bob Wilkins    n6fri          voice 440.250+ 100pl san francisco bay area
bwilkins@holonet.net          packet n6fri @ w6pw.#nocal.ca.us
 
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: jreese@NeoSoft.com (Jim Reese)
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 14:13:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan02.200308.16355@eng.umd.edu> chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) writes:
>If you want to park your $10K machine on a public frequency, then you should
>expect it to be used as a public utility.  If you are not expecting that,
>then you should move out of the way so that others can use the frequency.

Think of it in these terms...  The public highway system is available to
anyone who has a drivers license.  If you choose to ride the city bus, you 
can do this for 75 cents and get to your destination.  If I choose to buy
a Porsche, I spend $30,000 and get to my destination.  We are both using the
same public road.  

Does your right to drive on a public road give you the right to use my Porsche
anytime you want, for free, just because you have a drivers license?  No it
doesn't.

Repeaters work the same way.  Both use public spectrum.  The open radio is
like the city bus.  Everyone contributes something so it can be used by
anyone who wants.  The closed radio is like the Porsche.  Somebody spent
30,000 on it, but it only has two seats. 


>This "I own the frequency" crap IS the largest problem with Ham radio today.
>Nothing compels you to put up a repeater. 

This is a HOBBY, remember?  We put repeaters on because it's FUN.  Some of my
systems were intended to be public utilities, some weren't. 

>This is not a commercial venture.  

It never was a commercial venture.  Even closed repeaters are intended to be 
used by HAMS.

>If you still can't deal with your
>"great act of charity", then take your repeater down, and let someone else use
>the allocation. 

Great act of charity???  Excuse me?  This is a hobby.  I do it for FUN... MY
fun, not everyone else's.  I enjoy building repeaters, but each is built
to serve a specific function.  Some are intended for everyone, some are 
intended for persons interested in specific groups in Ham Radio...like those
interested in linking and remote bases.  I don't have a particular interest
in HF nets, but you don't hear me bitching about how they are wasting the
public airwaves.

There's room for everyone...get a grip.



-- 
     Jim Reese, WD5IYT            | "Real Texans never refer to trouble
  jreese@sugar.neosoft.com        |  as deep doo-doo"  --Molly Ivins

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 6 Meter Radio Shack HTs!
Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 15:24:09 GMT

In article <randall.725154767@seashore> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:
>
>There were a few articles a while back about hams who tried to modify
>the RS multi-channel 49 MHz radio for 6m.   They were unsuccessful.
>There was something about the design that made the units too difficult
>to modify.
>
>Another problem is that toy HTs are generally AM.  AM is essentially
>never used on 6m.  Repeaters are FM, and the lower part of the band
>is CW and SSB.   The output power on the RS toy HTs is only 25 mW;
>to hit a repeater, you would need some sort of an RF amplifer.  You
>may have more success with the wireless mic units, (which I believe
>are FM), but those are more expensive.

The multi-channel units now sold by RS are synthesized, which makes
the conversion tougher. The single channel units are crystal controlled.
They can be converted to 6 meters by just a crystal swap. They are FM.
The *toys* were AM, or at least the pair I have are. I have a pair of 
Space Patrol 60-4004 HTs that came two to the blister pack for $19.95. 
They are AM on 49.885 MHz. They have no volume control, no squelch, 
just an on/off switch. The transmitter is crystal controlled, but the 
receiver is a superregenative(!) design that radiates better than the 
transmitter. However, they do pass packet with minor surgery. Range is 
short, but will work between neighboring houses. These have a 1979 date 
code stamped on them. I doubt the Shack still sells them. I seem to 
recall that the FCC now requires FM modulation on 49 MHz, but I could
be wrong.

Gary

-- 
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary      
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     | emory!ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu
From: johnr@mik.uky.edu (John S. Roberts, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Online Repeater Directory! Watch For It!
Date: 30 Dec 92 16:10:41 GMT
Reply-To: johnr@mik.uky.edu (John S. Roberts, Jr.)
Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences

=>Just allow the program to talk the NMEA 0183 protocol on a serial
=>port. GPS or Loran receivers will then be able to tell it exactly
=>where you are. That's what I'm doing with my Loran. The geographical
=>database you need is available on a single CDROM. Add in a gyrocompass
=>and a doppler DF unit and you'll have a complete autoresolving auto-DF
=>system. It will continually tighten the position box as you establish
=>a baseline by driving along and will sound the bell when the box reaches
=>a preset delta and show it to you on the map.
=>
=>Gary

Yeah right!  99% of the ham radio operators I know expect programmers to  
distribute their software as public domain.  Ham's (including myself) are too  
cheap to have this type of setup.  Just watch for a nice windows (and NT)  
version of the software to allow people to find repeaters relative to their  
location.

John
--
-=+ John S. Roberts, Jr.       FACTS Center  McVey Hall  Room 100  +=-
-=+ Communications Consultant  Work: (606)257-2275  Home: 272-1417 +=-
-=+ University of Kentucky     Ham: KD4UBM   DoD: 727   '85 Shadow +=-
-=+ Computing Center           HomeUUCP: johnr%agnostic@ms.uky.edu +=-
From: gws
Subject: DX Bulletin 62  ARLD062
Organization: HAM BBS, 614-895-2553 
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 03:30:40 GMT


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ZCZC AE25
QST de W1AW
DX Bulletin 62  ARLD062
>From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  December 24, 1992
To all radio amateurs

SB DX ARL ARLD062
ARLD062 DX news

Thanks to Tedd, KB8NW, the Ohio/Penn PacketCluster Network, Alfred,
DL1FL, and Bill, K5FUV, for the following DX information.

SOMALIA.  Robin, WA6CDR, is with CBS and active as T55C.  He plans
to operate mostly CW and will be on whenever duties allow.  He will
have to QRT suddenly on occasion, as work takes priority.  Robin
plans to stay until the company leaves the area and will QSL after
he returns stateside.  Cards go to his home call.

CAMBODIA.  Sanyi, HA7VK, has been signing XU7VK since early
December.  Check 14014 and 14185 kHz between 1900 to 0230z.  QSL via
HA0HW.  John, PA3BTQ, is in Phnom Penh until the end of January and
has been issued the call sign XU6TQ.  Check for his CW on 14050 and
21050 kHz, and for SSB on 14315 and 21315 kHz.  He may be on OSCAR
13 Mode B from time to time.  QSL via PA0EQ.  XU3UN has been worked
from the eastern US with good signals on 80 meters SSB.  He was on
3793 and listened on 3791, 3775 and then from 3770 to 3780 between
1200 and 1300z.

MONGOLIA.  Several JT's, including JT1V, have been active on 80
meters at east coast sunrise.

TONGA.  A35CT should be active for the next 2 to 3 years.  Check
14219 kHz around 0530z.

TAIWAN.  Check 80 meters for BV2A, BV2DJ and BV7JA, specifically
3500 through 3510 kHz from 1030 to 1430z.

ALAND ISLAND.  Look for OH0MEP, OH0MFP, OH0LQK, OH0MYD and OH0NLP
from December 26 to January 3.  Activity will be on 80 through 10
meters using verticals and monoband Yagis.  QSL their home calls in
OH3 land.

SPECIAL EVENT STATION.  VI5VIA will be active between January 29 and
February 1 to mark the closing of the Adelaide Coastal Radio Station
VIA, on January 31, 1993. VK5WC, VK5ZRH, and the South Coast Amateur
Club, will operate on all HF bands and some VHF/UHF.  VIA was
commissioned in Adelaide on October 12, 1912.  A special QSL card
will be made available.

SLOVAKIA.  DL1FL says after January 1, stations in Slovakia will use
the prefix OM.  Stations in the Czech Republic will continue to use
OK and OL.

BARBADOS. Glenn, VE3ICR, will be active through February 6 as 8P9DX,
a call sign he has held since 1987.  He plans a full tilt effort in
the CQ World-Wide 160 CW Contest.
NNNN
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: der@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Dave Ritchie)
Subject: Re: writing out -- --- .-. ... . in order to pass your exam
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 18:01:38 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta

In <1992Dec21.134915.17956@wam.umd.edu> ham@wam.umd.edu (Scott Richard Rosenfeld) writes:

>I have had people copy an entire exam with just dots and dashes.  Now, I 
>inform examinees before giving the test that this is unacceptable.  People
>even ask if this is OK when they call me on the phone...

Scott,
  what regulation specifies that this is not permissable? 

-- Dave Ritchie
der@hpuerca.atl.hp.com
From: lockhart@mothra.nts.uci.edu (Jack C. Lockhart)
Subject: Re: Exploding Air Bags? Locking Anti-Lock Brakes?
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Distribution: world 
Date: 23 Dec 92 04:47:34 GMT
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc

In article <1992Dec21.172917.3652@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> whs70@dancer.cc.bellcore.com (sohl,william h) writes:
>In article <1992Dec20.140732.987@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>>In article <1h001hINNcpd@hp-col.col.hp.com> bobw@col.hp.com (Bob Witte) writes:
>>>miles@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Miles Abernathy) writes:


>>It's a violation of federal regulations, OSHA? BATF?, one of those, to
>>transmit within 500 feet of a wired explosive charge. Since airbags are
>>deployed by a wired explosive charge, lead azide, it would seem that you
>>can't legally transmit on an amateur radio in an airbag equipped car.
>>Gary KE4ZV
>

>Anyone with any more details out there?
>


I hope this post isn't mixing apples and oranges.  The subject of
explosive devices and radios caught my attention.  I posted this on
December 7, 1992.  Perhaps it should be posted again.  Forgive me in
advance if my post isn't appropriate.


From news.service.uci.edu!mothra.nts.uci.edu!lockhart Mon Dec  7 14:22:34 PST 1992
Article: 2605 of rec.radio.amateur.policy
Xref: news.service.uci.edu rec.radio.amateur.policy:2605 rec.radio.amateur.misc:29457
From: jreese@NeoSoft.com (Jim Reese)
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 22:16:00 GMT

In article <1992Dec27.155154.20108@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>Excuse me, but $15 a month *is* outrageous. Around here, repeater clubs
>charge $15 a *year* to support the repeater. The machine I operate isn't
>club supported. I've hit the regular users 3 times for donations since
>it's been on the air. They've come through with more than enough money
>to keep the system going. There's currently less than $800 tied up in the 
>widest coverage 440 MHz machine in Georgia. It is an *open* machine by 
>user request.
>

Sounds like you get a free site that doesn't require you to pay for power,
telephone, or liability insurance.  It also sounds like you have a kerchunk
box that is fairly simple.  The guys who are charging $15 per month are 
supporting an entirely different kind of system.

My repeater system is part of a large inter-city linked system.  Our group
spent about $5,000 last year on control systems alone.  

Several of our sites require us to pay for power at 15-20 dollars per month, 
and all of the sites require liability insurance which costs about 500 dollars
per year.  I haven't even touched touched the radio equipment yet, and I've 
spent more than you have in your entire system ANNUALLY.  The Houston group 
supports six sites.  There are 22 in the system.

For a system like this, $15 per month is *NOT* outrageous...besides, we only
charge $10 per month. :)


-- 
     Jim Reese, WD5IYT            | "Real Texans never refer to trouble
  jreese@sugar.neosoft.com        |  as deep doo-doo"  --Molly Ivins
From: miles@emx.cc.utexas.edu (Miles Abernathy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Radio Robbery
Date: 1 Jan 93 18:37:38 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Buddy Brannan, a blind amateur radio operator, was riding an Austin,
Texas, city bus about 1 PM on Wednesday, Dec. 30, talking on his
handy-talkie. A guy on the bus asked him about the radio and Buddy gave
him a demo. The guy liked it so much he asked to look at the radio and
ripped it off. Jumped off the bus and left Buddy on the bus.

Here is a description of the thief, as given by the bus driver: Black
man, 28 to 35 years old, dark complexion, medium height (5'6" or 5'7"),
medium build, short haircut (no afro or anything like that).

The radio is a Yaesu FT-470 dual-bander, serial number 450452, with its
stock battery pack (probably dead by now). No leather carry case. For
identification purposes, memory channel 19 is programmed for 410.00 and
channel 20 for 470.00 MHz.

If you should encounter this radio, please contact Buddy at (512)
452-6172, or via Internet at davros@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu. Thank you.

Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Rod Anderson)
Subject: Re: 430mhz band under th
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 92 00:24:12 GMT



One of the basic principals in amateur radio is that no one ownes
a given frequency.  But when repeaters are set up and coordinated
they are in practice given exclusive use of 40 kHz of amateur band
width (input +/- 10 kHz, output +/- 10 kHz).  When a repeater is
made private the users are in principal given exclusive use of
their frequencies.  If the owner charges for the use of the
frequency he is basically charging to use his frequencies.  After
all because he has his repeater coordinated on this frequency no one
else can use it.
 
As long as there are open frequency pairs for additional repeaters
this is no real problem.  When all frequency pairs are used up and
there are no open repeaters available then the private repeaters
become a problem.  It them becomes a case of paying for the use of
a band.
 
If it is acceptable to charge for the use of a repeater then can the
owners of packet BBS makin a charge for their services?  They have the
cost of the computer, antennas, two or three radios and tncs invested
in the hobby.  They could make the same claim that they need to charge
for their services.
 
    Rod Anderson   N0NZO
 rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu

From: davidc@hplsla.hp.com (David Cook)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 15:12:51 GMT
Subject: Erickson Communications OK ?
Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

I am considering purchasing a HT from ERICKSON COMMUNICATIONS in Chicago, IL.
Having never dealt with them I was wondering if anyone else has and if your
experience was good or bad. Are they OK or should I look elsewhere. 

Thanks in advance for your responses.

Dave KB7QCL
From: jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 430 mhz band under th (now repeater costs)
Date: 30 Dec 1992 19:44:53 GMT
Organization: UT Health Science Center Houston

In article <9212301356.aa22097@cbda7.apgea.army.mil> wejones@cbda7.apgea.army.mil (Bill Jones) writes:
>   The amateur bands should be open to all amateurs licensed to operate
>   at the frequencies involved.

They are.

>   I completely agree with those who stated
>   that if all the freqs are assigned, that closed and private repeaters
>   should be forced to give up their slot to prospective open repeaters.

How, pray tell, do you propose to accomplish that?...especially without
generating lawsuit after lawsuit from the owners of those repeaters who will
argue, correctly, that they are being arbitrarily denied the right to use
their repeater, in direct contradiction with the original agreement they had
with their local coordinating body? If you don't care about lawsuits, perhaps
then you are willing to pay for defending them?
-- 
Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can
jmaynard@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu      | adequately be explained by stupidity.
 "Brought to you by the letters O, S, and by the number 2." -- Mike Levis
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.cb
From: oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl)
Subject: Re: skull construction trancievers
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 23:23:26 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

In <1992Dec24.065049.15132@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> c60c-3gi@web-3c.berkeley.edu (Masayuki Karahashi) writes:


>Im looking for a skull construction trancievers (the type that works 
>completely through your ears both for hearing and speaking).  

>I heard the one at Radio Shack really sucks.  I tried it, (just put the ear 
>piece in my ear and it seemed really uncomfortable too).  Does anyone
>know who else carries these types of tracievers.  Im specifically interested
>in the type with the earpiece that fits inside the ear and the wire goes around
>and above your earlobe and down...I don't think Im explaining this too well.
>I mean I especially want the type with the earpieces that look like the
>ones that look kind of like those used by the secret service and such.  The
>reason being, I want to wear my motorcycle helmet over it, and if the earpiecve
>sticks out like the readio shack one, I can't wear my helmet (for a motorcycle)
>over my head without getting a real bad ear-ache after a while.  If those
>with the earpiece that looks like the ones used by secret service is not
>available or too expensive anything will do.  

The one at Radio Shack works fine for my needs.  

I would also point out that somebody has been advertising just what you 
want, in QST.  Pick up the January issue, and it is on an upper left
corner.  The ad has a black and white photo of a guy wearing sunglasses
with the speaker/mike in his ear.


Carl Oppedahl AA2KW  (intellectual property lawyer)
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY  10112-0228
voice 212-408-2578     fax 212-765-2519
-- 
Carl Oppedahl AA2KW  (intellectual property lawyer)
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY  10112-0228
voice 212-408-2578     fax 212-765-2519
From: taylor@tix.timeplex.COM (Seth Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FCC Delays
Date: 23 Dec 92 14:42:57 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Those who have suggested fees for the FCC.....That was tried once
and ruled unconstitutional by the courts....FCC has to have
appropriations (Congress has to fund them) to spend money.
The fees would go into the general treasurey of the US. However,
if legislation was passed for appropriations to the FCC based
on an offset by fees collected, that could be a favorable
argument to get a bill passed and signed into law. Fact is,
that the FCC if they could collect a $100 per application, not
one cent could be used by the FCC the way the law stands now.

S. Taylor KC2WE  
The opinions are my own and not those of ascom Timeplex.
From: a-kevinp@microsoft.COM (Kevin Purcell, Rho)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Sun-rise Sun-Set
Date: 30 Dec 92 01:11:09 GMT
Organization: UCSD Usenet Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsd.edu
Originator: daemon@ucsd.edu

Check out "Low Band DXing" (another ARRL book!) by ON4UN.

This has quite a few good ideas for calculating sunrise, sunset and 
twilight zones (I can hear the music now ...).

73 de Kevin Purcell N7WIM/G8UDP (Seattle, WA)          a-kevinp@microsoft.com
Do your interests match mine? If so call me. I'd like to hear from you.
QRP, Packet, TCP/IP, Digital voice, Macintosh, Spread Spectrum, Homebrew,
Satellites, Antenna design, Propagation, VHF/UHF weak signal, Microwave, QEX
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: albertk@cs.kun.nl (Albert Koppes)
Subject: Wanted: KITSAT-OSCAR 23 image info
Keywords: satellite, ccd, images
Organization: University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 12:10:17 GMT

I am looking for some technical information ( image formats, frequencies,coding
methods etc.. ) for receiving the CCD images from KITSAT-OSCAR 23. 

Does anybody have a reference or knows which AMSAT magazine to read ?

Thanks in advance.


  
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
From: dmturne@ptsfa.PacBell.COM (Dave Turner)
Subject: Re: Apartment antennas?
Reply-To: dmturne@PacBell.COM (Dave Turner)
Organization: Pacific * Bell, San Ramon, CA
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:05:30 GMT

In article <1992Dec20.215539.4383@sequent.com> edw@sequent.com (Ed Wright) writes:
>The Dick Smith Co-Tanger is Vertical and Horizontal Diamond phased single
>element array capable of absorbing up to 1KW for periods of time. 
>The Co-Tanger's novel design based on traditional solutions allows it to used
>on any band. Yup ! just hook it up and load it up. The Folded array design 
>allows the Co-Tanger to occupy a very small physical space while  providing
>a large electical surprize in terms of bandwidth.

For all its marvelous properties the Co-Tanger has but one drawback:
its price. It is listed in the 1985/6 Dick Smith catalog (p. 31) for
$395.00!

The 86/87 catalog lists its replacement, the "Ko-Tanga", which is
reasonably priced at 49 cents.


-- 
Dave Turner	(510) 823-2001	{att,bellcore,sun,ames,decwrl}!pacbell!dmturne