Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 18:29:09 EST
From: Andy <2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: WHERE DO THE "palestinians" COME FROM?
 <EGGERTJ.93Jan8230323@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>
 <93009.1556132893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <C0nurz.65J@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>

In article <C0nurz.65J@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, idfriedm@hertz.uwaterloo.ca (id
friedman) says:
>
>In article <93009.1556132893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Andy
><2893684@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
>>In article <EGGERTJ.93Jan8230323@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu>,
>>eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) says:
>>>
>>>In article <1993Jan9.020712.29014@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>                 G
>carasso@Turing.OR
>>>(Roger Carasso) writes:
>>>>   Israeli aid does not represent a transfer of money to Israel, if
>>>>   Israel gives the U.S. more in return!
>>>>
>>>>          "Joseph Churba, a former top Air Force intelligence official
>>>>          and head of the Washington-based Center for International
>>>>          Security, estimated that it would cost the United States $100
>>>>          billion or more in additional spending -- and the deployment
>>>>          of more than 200,000 of its own troops -- to replace Israel's
>>>>          pro-U.S. strategic weight in the Middle East."
>>>>                  --Myths and Facts,
>>>>                   A concise Record of the Arab-Israeli Conflict,
>>>>                   1989
>>>
>>>Ah yes, the famous Myths and Facts, edited by Leonard J. Davis and
>>>Moshe Decter.  Funny that they cannot tell the difference between
>>>myths and facts.  Now who is this famous analyst Joseph Churba?  And
>>>how did he derive this silly $100 billion figure?  Why, that exceeds
>>>Israel's GNP!  At that price, we would just buy up Israel and pay them
>>>a handy profit each year for the "pro-U.S. strategic weight".
>>>
>>>Sorry for the sarcasm, but come on.
>>>
>>>Let's see.  Ah yes.  Joseph Churba, Ph.D. Columbia 1965.  His thesis
>>>was on sub-Saharan foreign aid conflicts between Israel and the U.A.R.
>>>He must have been in ROTC, as he served at Maxwell AFB in Alabama for
>>>a couple of years.  He seems to be a regular critic of American
>>>foreign policy in the Middle East.  Must have an axe to grind.  I'll
>>>have to take a look at his book "The politics of defeat : America's
>>>decline in the Middle East" for a laugh.  It was written in 1977, just
>>>a year before the Camp David accords.
>>>--
>>>=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)
>>
>>Besides the Cold War is over and in any case, it's been a long time since
>                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>the US has been without Arab allies in the Mideast. If the "fact" were ever
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>accurate it has long since become an anachronism.
>
>
>   How many "Arab Allies" does the U.S have in the MIddle East that did not
>   have any major political instability or dictatorship rule in the past
>    45 years?
>
>   How long has it been since the U.S reaped the benefits of
>   Israel blowup of Iraq's reactor?
>
>   How long has it been since the U.S benefited from Israeli intelligence
>   about desert warfare?
>
>Ishay
>   rest of the world ) by blowing Iraq's nuclear reactor?

How long has it been since Israeli activity threatened to cause the
Gulf War Coalition to collapse? How long has it been since Israel
spied on the US? How long has it been since US attention to Israel
has threatened to weaken its relationship with itsArab allies?
How long has it been since US strategic interests failed to justify
the huge share of US foreign aid Israel gets? How long has it been since
Israel's oil resources were of strategic importance to the US? How long
has it been since the Oil Shock? How long has it been since the end of the
cold war?
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