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From: sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Wedge turning to parallel turning:  Ideas?
Date: 6 Apr 92 16:35:16 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:

> In article <BZVoiB3w164w@cellar.org> sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson) writes:
> >smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
> >> (I'm a closet fan of 'The Inner Game of Skiing', if it's not obvious. :-)
> >
> >With all due respect to Timothey Gallwey and Bob Kriegel, I think "Inner
> >Skiing" is a near dead loss.  In its place I suggest Denise McCluggage's
> >"The Centered Skier."  
> 
> Ooops, is IGS Gallwey's book?  It is, isn't it.  It's not the one I'm
> thinking of, then.  The one I like was written by a woman, but it's not
> 'The Centered Skier' either.  Have to remember to check when I get home.
> (It is yet another one on philosophically similar grounds.  'Skiing from
> the Inside', maybe?  That sounds familiar.  I'll check.)
> 
> -- 
> Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
>  P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132

A pint of your favorite says you're thinking of Denise McCluggage's book. 
While I don't see every skiing book out (hey, I don't get paid that much by
my mountain!), I think I'd at least have heard a rumor of a similar book by
any author, male or female.  

I'll possibly re-hash old news and say that the biggest problem I run into,
which then shows up as all the other things we've talked about, is trying
too hard.  This is, of course, not unique to skiing.  <grin>

The best skiing seems to come when we just do it and don't try to do it. 
And this, of course, is a central theme from Zen; trying to reach or achieve
enlightenment is futile, being enlightened is easy.  Just as the preceding
senetence will probably make a lot of people hit the mental (or physical!)
NEXT key, the same thing happens in skiing.  People who are bound and
determined to get those [expletive deleted] skis to do such and such are
doomed.  Those who let their skis do whatever are there!  

The trick, of course, is to have some sense of what they want to do, whether
it's closing one's stance or opening it, holding hands higher or lower, and
all of the rest of the skills of skiing.  We can demonstrate and explain the
skills but it's up to the skier to integrate them into their skiing and make
those moves so instinctive they never think about how they achieved whatever
task they performed, be it carved turn or helicopter.  

As one of my friends so nicely puts it: "Be the ski."


 | Richard B. Emerson     | Reply to Rick@SSG.com                           |
 | System Support Group   |-------------------------------------------------+
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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:06:03 GMT
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA

In article <1992Apr7.165319.24607@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> europa@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (r.j.capik) writes:
> > I don't think that it is something that will probably happen in the near
> > future, but I have heard that it is a possibility. Please share your oppinions
> > whether you agree or dissagree. Well I gotta go.... I was just wondering
> > if this topic had stirred up any thoughts of other skiers like me.
> > 
> > 							Todd S.
> 
> ***** The New Jersey Helmet Bill! It's Back!!!  *****
> Several years ago a ski helmet bill was introduced in New Jersey.
> The bill was, well let's just say, seriously flawed. 
> It died in committee about a year ago. But now it's back!
> It was reintroduced as (NJ) senate bill S-387 by senator
> Gerald Cardinale, and is currently sitting in the NJ Commerce
> Committee. It is my understanding that this bill is in the same
> flawed condition as the previous bill. Hearings have not been
> scheduled yet.

> Now, you should all note that this bill was intended to be a model
> bill, and was intended for "export" to other states.

What groups are the driving forces behind this bill?  In the case of
bicycles, there are a large percentage of cyclists who feel that
helmets are a very good idea, though not neccessarily that many who
feel that they should be compulsory.

For skiing I don't know of anyone outside of racers and occasionally
children who wear helmets.  I know I've got enough problems dealing
with the cold and visibility without having to fit a helmet in the
picture.

BTW, I do have a bicycle helmet and use it some of the time...

-- 
George Robbins - now working for,     uucp:   {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!grr
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Commodore, Engineering Department     phone:  215-431-9349 (only by moonlite)
From: rcodo@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Rob Codo)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 17:07:47 GMT
Subject: Re: Please help -- need new skis.
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

**> How much do they cost over there?

    They are very pricey.  Probably somewhere around 400-600 dollars
    a pair.
From: jaguar@netcom.com (Elaine Pang)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: question -- x-country ski places
Date: 15 Apr 92 00:02:35 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

I posted before but didn't my message show up, so if this is a duplicate,
excuse me...
My question is, I just moved to San Jose (CA) and would like to know about
a good place to go cross-country skiing near here.  Tahoe was suggested to me
but I was also told it was really crowded (traffic wise that is).  I would
like to go somewhere relatively free of people, stay overnight in an inn,
and ski around during the day.  I am a beginner, so I would have to ski on
trails already broken.  I would really appreciate any info!

Please post your reply or if you wish to email, I am at:
jaguar@netcom.com  or  jaguar@ardath.slisp.cs.cmu.edu
Thanks!
  --Elaine Pang

-- 

		  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 20:39:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Wrist problems
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, martin@morticia.princeton.edu (Carlos Martin) writes:

> This method transmits force to the pole through the strap, and thus 
> does not require that you keep a death-grip on the handle.  

 Hmm. Personally I've reached a point where I've just plain given up on
 using straps at all...I take 'em off of my poles or just ignore 'em.
 If you're planting your pole so hard that you need the strap in order
 to hang on then you're doing something wrong!

 ..glen "got tired of putting the damn straps on and off while setting up
         bamboo and signs"

From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:32:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Helmets and Laws
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson) writes:

> On the other hand, I have personally obsererved skiers either intoxicated
> (alcohol primarily) or very clearly unable to safely negotiate terrain and
> had virtually no power to alter the situation.  

 Hmm...an interesting point. Are you indicating that the area is partially
 responsible since they (may have) sold the alchohol?  Isn't this similar
 to holding a bar liable for somebody getting in a wreck while DWI? How
 about the liquor stores? Are they responsible for people's actions after
 they consume that bottle of wine?

> If an area fails to take reasonable precautions 

 This is probably the meat of the problem. What should constitute 
 "reasonable precautions"? I don't think I have an answer....


 ..glen
From: carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Kirkwood (was Re: Lake Tahoe)
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:29:16 GMT
Organization: Los Angeles Dept. of Water & Power

In article <1992Apr2.161345.19430@osf.org> ron@osf.org (Ron Birnbaum) writes:
>In article <563@dwp.la.ca.us>, carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898) writes:

>|> tucked discreetly out of view.  Kirkwood takes a solid two days for
>|> the advanced skiier to 'ski-it-all'.  Also strong on beginner terrain.
>
>  Huh??? Kirkwood strong on beginner terrain??? Gee - last year when I was there
>  last I could only find 2 short green runs in the whole area! Kirkwood is a
>  teriffic expert area - but I really don't anyone who has skied the beginner
>  area would say that Kirkwood has decent beginner terrain!

I guess what I really meant to say is it seems like a good place
for a beginner because it is more self contained and low-key.  I
assumed that most beginners can be skiing the easy blues on thier first
afternoon (wrong about 50% of the time I suspect).  Kirkwood has 3
chairs with almost all very easy blue terrain.  But as long as we
are quibling, Kirkwood has very little true expert terrain as in Squaw
Valley double black.  Almost all of Kirkwood black is of the single
diamond type.
From: carlson@dwp.la.ca.us (Carlson Peters x7898)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Kirkwood
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:54:28 GMT
Organization: Los Angeles Dept. of Water & Power

In article <1992Apr2.174607.6736@nas.nasa.gov> eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) writes:
>I like Kirkwood, but I do not believe that it offers a lot of advanced
>terrain.  I agree you will that it's a little short on beginner terrain.
>KW only has two lifts servicing advanced terrain.  It's a medium sized resort.

The original idea was to compare KW with other areas around Lake
Tahoe.  Yes, KW has only two lifts that serve advanced terrain but if
you just count lifts and vertical then KW still has as much advanced
terrain as anybody else in the Tahoe area with the exception of Squaw.
If you consider acreage then it still takes two moderately paced days
to ski all the advanced/expert terrain KW has to offer.

-- 
	Carlson Peters			111 N. Hope St. Rm 1129
	CPD Workstation Support		Dept. of Water & Power
	(213 481-7898			L.A. CA 90012
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~carlson@manta.dwp.la.ca.us~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Subject: SNOW DEPTH
Reply-To: st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 00:17:31 GMT

	I heard a rumor and I need to get it confirmed.  I was wondering what
is the record for the most (deepest) snow at a ski area in the U.S.,
specifically in the Eastern U.S.. Killington has 96 trails opened as of
4/4/92....one of which (Superstar trail) has 40 feet of  snow on it!! 
You have to see it to believe it!  I have never seen anything like it, and
I heard that it was some kind of all time record.  It may seem unbelievable
but IT IS TRUE!!!  My birthday is June 16th and I always have joked about
being able to ski in Vt. on my birthday, and IF it is ever gonna happen
I can at least dream that this is the year.  I Know!! (IT'S NOT GONNA
HAPPEN!, but let me dream!)

DOES ANYONE KNOW FOR SURE WHAT THE RECORD IS??
							Todd S.
From: tomg@cc.gatech.edu (Tom Gale)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Frozen North East!!!
Summary: snowfields open
Date: 16 Apr 92 14:29:24 GMT
Organization: College of Computing

I'm in Atlanta, so I can't tell you first hand, but I talked to
someone yesterday who said that the snowfields were open at Sugarloaf
in Maine, which implies that there must be quite a bit of snow left.
The last time they had enough snow to open the snowfields was about 5
years ago I think.

T.

					
					-Tom Gale (tomg@cc.gatech.edu)
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Wrist problems
Date: 11 Apr 92 19:55:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: nas.1992Apr11.195537.24268
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

In article <1340244@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com> glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com
(Glen Baker) writes:
> Hmm. Personally I've reached a point where I've just plain given up on
> using straps at all.

Now, now, Glen.  X-Cers and ski mountaineers need those straps

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
This is the Usenet: do you expect anything other than gross generalizations?
Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell Skoog)
Subject: Re: Avalanche death in Utah
Reply-To: lowell@tc.fluke.COM (Lowell Skoog)
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 22:34:37 GMT

In a previous posting, Walt Haas describes the Gold Basin avalanche.

What strikes me about this account is how finely the party balanced
ambiguous signals to make their hazard evaluation.  Below tree line
they heard woomph sounds, but above tree line they didn't.  Natural
slides were observed starting on steep slopes, but stopping on more
moderate slopes.

I don't mean to second guess them, since they undoubtably knew more
about Utah conditions than I do.  But here is food for thought:

It seems to me that they used their avalanche expertise to ride a
finer line of danger.  On the spectrum from obviously safe to
obviously unsafe conditions, they used their knowledge to tread
closer to the threshold between the two.  I think this may be
common.  We use our training to evaluate conditions on marginal days,
days on which we might stay home if we lacked confidence in our
knowledge.

Desire draws us like moths to a flame.  The smart moth, who
understands the flame but gets as close to it as he dares, may not 
be much safer than the ignorant moth who blunders into it.

					--Lowell Skoog
					  Seattle, Washington, USA
From: nrp@btcase.bt.co.uk (Reece Peacock)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Skiing on ice...
Date: 16 Apr 92 10:31:33 GMT
Organization: British Telecom, Lion House, London.

Lyle_Scheer@NeXT.com (Lyle Scheer) writes:
.
.
Lots of stuff deleted
.
.
>Do you people really try these things?  Sounds like an awful lot to remember.   
>I just try to stay centered over my skis, so that if I do slide, I stay with my  
>skis (rather than have my skis slip out from under me)  I do my turns as I  
>normally do, and rarely have problems edging on ice.  Of course, I did learn to  
>ski in New Jersey and Vermont, so ice doesn't bother me.

For me I feel it's worth trying to think through moves whilst doing them at some 
part of my ski day. I may only do this for 1/2 an hour or so of my ski day and the
rest of the time have a blast.  It's my way of getting moves programmed in. There
is no way I "waste" (that's probably not the right word) my whole precious ski day
on formally thinking "and this is where I should...".

Reece

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From: haas%basset.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Walt Haas)
Subject: Re: CADS Skiing System
Date: 17 Apr 92 09:10:36 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept

In article <1992Apr17.124235.3529@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> bl269@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mary Beth Taormina) writes:
>
>I'm looking for someone who has either heard of or tried the CADS Skiing
>System.  Cads consists of two rods that hook to the boots and the back of
>your pants and provides knee support for downhill skiing.  Any information
>would be appreciated!

I saw this on one guy at Alta this winter.  He seemed to feel that it worked.

-- Walt
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Helmets and Laws
Date: 14 Apr 92 18:16:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpnmdla.1340245
Organization: What, me? Organized?

In rec.skiing, haas%basset.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Walt Haas) writes:

> If the resort can't be sued for injuries to a skier, what mechanism is 
> there to keep management on the straight and narrow?

 In what respect? Certainly the area has a responsibility to run the 
 equipment safely (chairs that fall off the cable would be bad...) but
 I disagree with the implicit assumption that the area is in some way
 responsible for the manner in which people ski.

 ..glen
From: pdh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Phillip D. Heaven)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: SLUSHY SKIING
Date: 16 Apr 92 09:31:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr16.093114.17069
Reply-To: pdh2@po.CWRU.Edu (Phillip D. Heaven)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu () says:

>I have a question... Everyone complains about slushy, mushy conditions. 
>I DON'T GET IT!!!!!!  I die for slush.  I wait for spring so that the snow
>gets soft.  I ALMOST prefer slush to powder. Soft mushy moguls are a dream 
>come true for me.  I tell my friends that I'm going skiing in the spring
>and the common response is "Isn't it all slush though??".  I Seriously think
>that skiing in slush is AWESOME. I can understand racers not liking slush
>but for recreational skiiers I can't immagine anything better.  I am an expert
>skiier, can anyone tell me if I'm CRAZY, or if anyone else has this same love
>for SLUSHY SPRING SKIING? 
>
>							Todd S.
I'm with you Todd!  I had my first taste of spring skiing at Whistler with
my girlfriend. Neither one of us is an expert skier,(especially her)
so the soft conditions really made things nice and relaxed for both of us.

Phil

P.S.
  Anyone know how long Whistler plans to stay open? I won't be back in that
part of the country (IMHO, the BEST part) until May 18. When we were there
middle of March, they were already closed below the midstations.
 
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
Phil Heaven                          '82 Suzuki GS450L
Sigma Alpha Mu                        DoD#533
CaseWesternReserveUniversity          "Captain Hormone"
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
From: eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya)
Subject: Re: Avalanche death in Utah
Organization: NAS, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 17:21:38 GMT

>>Re: "Avalanche death in Utah"

>byrnes@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Byrnes) writes:
>>Hey!  You guys told me early this season that nobody dies in avalanches in
>>Utah! 

>I didn't say that.  Walt wouldn't say that.  Who would?  Hmmmm...maybe
>a Coloradan who wants his state to himself...

Who said that no dies in avalanches in Utah?
This may be the deterrent......

One can tickle fate in many activities, but avalanches are nothing to
play with.  Survivors I have spoken to talk about a sense of panic
after being buried.  In the first of mine ([3 small ones], this was on a climb
and not skiing), it was the sense that we had lost one of our party
that Dave was dead.  You are in psychological (or physical shock) at
a time when you need to get out of there.  We couldn't hang around to
look for Dave's body: what? and cause 3 more deaths?  Fortunately,
we didn't have to contempate this question, it was loose snow and Dave
dug himself out after a minute and inhaling a lot of snow and we all got out
of that avalanche trap.

Wish we had finished the route.  Nice climbing as high as we got.

Visit Vail.

--eugene miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
  Resident Cynic, Rock of Ages Home for Retired Hackers
  {uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
This is the Usenet: do you expect anything other than gross generalizations?
Ref: Mathematics and Plausible Reasoning, vol. 1, G. Polya
From: glenb@hpnmdla.sr.hp.com (Glen Baker)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 17:28:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Build Moguls? - Pro Mogul Tour
Organization: What, me? Organized?
Newsgroups: rec.skiing

In rec.skiing, sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson) writes:

> Remember you must keep your feet moving together in the bumps. 
> If your stance opens there, you're cooked.

 Naah...you just make a quick adaptation by turning off of your uphill ski!

 ..glen "yeah, I *am* actually serious this time"
From: sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: SLUSHY SKIING
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:49:25 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system

st910131@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:

> I have a question... Everyone complains about slushy, mushy conditions. 
> I DON'T GET IT!!!!!!  I die for slush.  I wait for spring so that the snow
> gets soft.  I ALMOST prefer slush to powder. Soft mushy moguls are a dream 
> come true for me.  I tell my friends that I'm going skiing in the spring
> and the common response is "Isn't it all slush though??".  I Seriously think
> that skiing in slush is AWESOME. I can understand racers not liking slush
> but for recreational skiiers I can't immagine anything better.  I am an exper
> skiier, can anyone tell me if I'm CRAZY, or if anyone else has this same love
> for SLUSHY SPRING SKIING? 
> 
> 							Todd S.

Well, it depends.  I like soft snow, too.  It's forgiving, doesn't hand the
sort of surprises you find going from "packed powder" to boilerplate and
back does, and so on.  But the real deep "mashed potatoes" sort of snow is
just plain heavy.  

Most folks try to ski mush as they skied all year and the flaws in their
skiing which center on over-rotation (trying to twist skis too much) show up
in a hurry as the snow keeps them from moving their skis.  Carry a little
less edge, stay closer to the fall line, and have fun!

 | Richard B. Emerson     | Reply to Rick@SSG.com                           |
 | System Support Group   |-------------------------------------------------+
 | Post Office Box 180    |   "Choose to chance the rapids                  |
 | Lansdale, PA 19446 USA |    And dare to dance the tide." -- Garth Brooks |
From: smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Newsgroups: rec.skiing
Subject: Re: Wedge turning to parallel turning:  Ideas?
Date: 6 Apr 92 09:51:37 GMT
Reply-To: P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee)
Organization: University of Bristol

In article <BZVoiB3w164w@cellar.org> sailor@cellar.org (Rick Emerson) writes:
>smee@bristol.ac.uk (Paul Smee) writes:
>> (I'm a closet fan of 'The Inner Game of Skiing', if it's not obvious. :-)
>
>With all due respect to Timothey Gallwey and Bob Kriegel, I think "Inner
>Skiing" is a near dead loss.  In its place I suggest Denise McCluggage's
>"The Centered Skier."  

Ooops, is IGS Gallwey's book?  It is, isn't it.  It's not the one I'm
thinking of, then.  The one I like was written by a woman, but it's not
'The Centered Skier' either.  Have to remember to check when I get home.
(It is yet another one on philosophically similar grounds.  'Skiing from
the Inside', maybe?  That sounds familiar.  I'll check.)

-- 
Paul Smee, Computing Service, University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1UD, UK
 P.Smee@bristol.ac.uk - ..!uunet!uknet!bsmail!p.smee - Tel +44 272 303132