From: dallagata@udphvx.cineca.it
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Intellectuals & women
Date: 24 Jan 93 06:12:11 +0000
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In article <1993Jan24.091306.12344@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, jbl3g@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Basinger Linkins) writes:
> In article <1993Jan24.014919.1@udphvx.cineca.it> dallagata@udphvx.cineca.it writes:

[lames full of hatre deleted]
> 
> No.  Because at least during my lifetime I get to humiliate asinine wankstains
> like yourself.

Humiliate? MOI? Pfffff! You are humiliating yourself, idiot. 
You are not able to deal with alt.flame. All of this started 
because *YOU* told me that I hate women, for a macho style 
drivel that I've put on the net. 

There is a game, here, loser. There are no rules. We are not 
in alt.feminist. The 90% of the times the people just write 
bullshit. That's what I did, but you pretended to get me 
real *USING THE DRIVELS THAT I'VE PUT ON THE NET*!

You started to tell me that I really hated woman for what I 
wrote. Bullshit. I know the women better than what you can 
think, I respect women more than what you can think, just 
because I am not really sexist, how you pretend to show.

Yes, I like to flirt with them, I like to tease them with 
the macho style. And many of them like it. And they are not 
stupid for that, they are just human beings, moron. 

It is you that are not able to realize that on this world 
there are not only your intellectual friends, as cold as you 
that masturbate their mind thinking " How Gosh, how much I 
am intellectual, how Gosh, how much I am cool, how Gosh, how 
much I am deep and romantic". Yes, so much romantic that 
there is not space on your hearth for one sweet experience, 
as the childbirth.

Yes, but you are an actor, you pretend to show, telling this 
to us, that you have strong feelings, that you are an artist.
Puah! You live on your world man, you have been throwing 
shit over the concept of childbirts. I felt this, and I can 
simply admit that I do not like that. 

I never said that we have to enforce women, I belive that 
they don't need to be enforced if they have the opportunity 
to decide what they prefer, and not what they have to do.

And anyway, speaking about a couple where the woman doesn't 
want to have children while the man would like it. What the 
man has to do in such a situation?!? Doesn't have the man 
the right to try to convince her, without to enforce her?

What is a decision? Everyone can change their decisions, on 
life. And we do. The important thing is that we (man and 
women) decide what *we* think is the right thing. 

Many time we make the wrong decision because we did not 
consider all the aspect of the problem. There is nothing 
worse than to understand that we made the wrong decision 
when it is *TOO LATE*. 

Try to think to wake up one day, and to understad that you 
mist something, a child. And then you realize that it is too 
late. How can you feel? Do you belive that simply thinking 
about the nice life that you had, you can forget such a 
thing? You are an actor, I hope that you understand what I 
am talking about. 

I belive, (I can't proove it, but I still belive it) that 
there are no feelings stronger than the wish to have a child 
with the woman that you love. I *felt* it, ones. I am a man, 
but I never felt something so strong. I can't imagine what a 
woman can feel (they are supposed to have stronger feelings 
than us, about that). I understood how much cold I have been 
before that. I did not *decide* anything, I was just feeling 
in this way. But this feeling was strong for me because I 
understood, in that moment, how important, how powerful 
could be my relationship, my life. More than all the science 
or everything else. I understood that I did not wish it 
before, just because I could not have any child, I had to 
study, I had money problems, I did not have time, I had to 
think about my future. After that, I understood that was 
only bullshit, that nothing compare (on my hearth) to the 
happyness that you can feel when you make love with ypur 
woman and you can think that maybe, a new life was going to 
start. I was not only fucking, I was doing something more 
serious. And the same was true for her. We just felt to be 
humans, to be part of the Universe. You are right when you 
says that we don't have to enforce them, what I really think
is that everybody have to have the opportunity to discover it.
I know, there are always many problems anyway, but I think 
that childbirths are a value, not a must. Something that 
people is going to forget in this plastic society.

I hope only that you will not use this to flame.

	Michele