From: samir@tfs.com (Samir Elias)
Subject: Re: Sadam
Organization: TRW Financial Systems
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:16:10 GMT

In article <5029@copper.Denver.Colorado.EDU> aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
>In article <1690@yetti.UUCP> aboelaze@cs.yorku.ca (Mokhtar Aboelaze) writes:
>
>>First, it is not "has done" it is "still doing", there is a big difference.
>

Do you personally have well documented facts that you care to present
to the net?? and with it some other documents that prove that the 
first documents were not fabricated for some propaganda purposes??
If not then remember what islam says about people who go around
spreading accusations and rumors??
It is sometimes better to wait before accusing anybody about
anything.
I from personal experience know that the 
"tyrant/blood-thirsty/ruthless/brutal dictator" is no "angel",
but then again who is,and is he THE issue??

>Yes!
>
>>Second, What exactly do you mean by "repentence".
>>To the best of my knowledge, to repent, you have to acknowledge first
>>that you have done something wrong and vow not to repeat it again.
>
>Yes ... yes!
>
>>When did Sadam acknowledge any thing wrong he has done ?
>
>I'd like to know too!
>

When did al-sabbah?? when did mobarak?? when did assad?? when
did fahad?? when did khomeini?? when did ba'aker al-sadr??
bush DID after 4 years say the economy is a LITTLE sluggish 
while millions lost their jobs?? 
Or are all the above "angels" that need not repent for anything??

>>if you have any information about this, please let us know, I am willing
>>to be persuaded.
>
>Though not *too* persuaded ...
>
>>That is a very hypothetical question. However, my answer is 
>>I WILL NOT KILL THEM unelss there is something mysterious about being
>>in power that completely ruin people mind and turn them into power hungary
>>murderers.
>

Have you ever been put in similar situations like the ones the
"tyrant/blood-thirsty/ruthless/brutal dictator" has been involved in??
If yes please document, if not then how can you judge your own
behaviour without even being exposed to such situations?? please
tell us so we can learn something new maybe.

>Bravo - Bravo - Bravo!
>
>:-)
>
>Anisa
>

Whether i agree about the above or not is irrelevant here,what i want
to say here is this:

The "tyrant/blood-thirsty/ruthless/brutal dictator" has been in iraq
now for 13 years,why is it that we started hearing all this "truth"
about him only now?? was he an angel before??
Don't you think that the reason behind all this talk is a little bit
suspicous??
Who is talking?? the U.S. who killed in 2 months more iraqis than
the "tyrant/blood-thirsty/ruthless/brutal dictator" has killed in
1 year?? the U.S. who has killed more other human beings than any
other nation on earth,(japaneses,viatnamese,cambodians,germans,red 
indians,arabs,south americans,etc...)?? do they love the iraqi 
arab/muslims?? why what is behind this love?? is it oil?? is it
iraqi oil or "kuwaiti" oil or saudi oil?? or is it all of the above
added to it the humiliation of all the arabs/muslims??
Or is it that a strong iraq,(tyranny or not is irrelevant here),
means stronger arab/muslim resolve??

Why iraq?? why not egypt who is prosicuting (sp.) the muslims,
is it because egypt is under total control of the "western" and
"local" fincancial power brokers??
why not algiers where muslims who got elected are imprisoned and
killed,is it becuase algiers is also controlled by the french
power (financial and otherwise)?? why not syria who has another 
brutal regime,is it becuase syria is controlled by the freindly
"local" financial power brokers?? 
why not even "kuwait" who has killed iraqi prisonars,and other arabs
who have different opinions,who also continuosly kill poor servants
and workers from poor nations,is it becuase "kuwait" is now another
u.s. colony/state/pawn??

Since when was the u.s. concerned about the murder of arabs/muslims??
Why do we arabs/muslims fall victims to the "western" propaganda and
start repeating it blindly?? shouldn't we pull back and THINK??
Don't you agree that all this is because iraq is the only country
that did not play along,may be used to but was trying to play by
itself??

All this talk about the "tyrant/blood-thirsty/ruthless/brutal dictator"
did this and did that is just one way the "west" is trying to
devide us and then conquer us,(with some of us blessing this conquer),

We all know that even on the personal level not all of us are
perfect and since our leaders are coming from amongst us,(by election or
not is irrelevant here),we must understand from that the reason
most of our leaders are "brutal" may be because many of us if given
a chance will force their opinions by whatever means possible,
including insulting the otherside,so unless we try to change our
own mentality,not by becoming "western babes",and try to help
our societies improve,not by becoming "western",we should not
expect to have leaders who are not "brutal",and frankly this
can not happen over the net,nor can it happen while living in 
the "west",it can only happen where our societies and people are,
and it can and must happen gradually and not "sudden impact",since
such a change will lead to strong reactions from the majority who
willnot and can not adjust to drastic sudden changes to their lives.

Many of us living in the "west" consider ourselves to be the model
that our people back home should follow,but are we sure,shouldn't 
we be a little more modest?? we living here cannot ever know and
feel like our people living back there are feeling.

Some will come back to me and say but we are against what is being done
to iraq,well i would say then you are doing iraq and the iraqis no
good when repeating what the "west" is claiming to justify its
not so well hidden occupation/theft and murder of iraq and "kuwait",
and with them the rest of the arab/muslim nation(s).

I will continue to say,please pull back and THINK.



















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