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From: sander@cwi.nl (Sander Plomp)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Problem hair: Mom's
Date: 24 Jul 92 11:03:08 GMT

33s@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Angie Brvenik) writes:
>I noticed while I was pregnant that my hair grew alot faster.  After
>Zack was born my hair started to fall out and still is a year later.
>I have to wash my hair everyday & everyday there is a big clump of hair
>in the tub as well as in my comb after combing my hair.  I find hair
>every where & so does my son (he loves to eat my hair).  He loves to
>pull my hair & put it in his mouth, he will do this if he is especially
>tired.  I know it sounds like Im going bald, I do still have a full
>head of hair, but its scary to see all that hair.

My hair also started to fall out in big quantities after the
birth of Cees, 8.5 months ago. I think it's somewhat better now,
but I already lost a lot of hair. I'm even thinking about cutting
my waist length hair short, because my pigtail is barely half the
diameter it used to be.

>I am on birth control so I was thinking that this may be a cause.  I
>would think if it was from having been pregnant that it would have stopped
>by now.

I'm not on birth control so that can't be a cause in my case. But
I'm still breastfeeding, so I think my hormones still haven't gone
back to normal. But I hope the hair will stop falling out before
I stop nursing. Otherwise I'm afraid I will go bald.

                                  Karen
                                  (mom to Cees, 8.5mo)
-- 
Sander Plomp                                        Internet: sander@cwi.nl
Xref: sparky misc.kids:19973 misc.education:3033
From: bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt)
Newsgroups: misc.kids,misc.education
Subject: Re: Educational funding (was Hillary Clinton)
Date: 29 Jul 1992 12:36:18 -0500
Organization: Kansas State University
NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu

In <00712382944@elgamy.sccsi.com> elg@elgamy.sccsi.com (Eric Lee Green) writes:

>Your comment about the power of the NEA in New Jersey just unscores the
>difference between New Jersey and Kansas. In Kansas, if somebody called a
>teacher strike, that union would be laughed out of the state.

Just an FYI:  In Kansas, teachers are fobidden by law to strike.  It dates
back to a teacher's strike in Kansas City, MO, in the mid-1960's.  The
school board in KC, KS went to the state legislature and hustled a law
through to prevent a sympathy strike by the KCK teachers.  

(My mom's a high school teacher, so she regularly complains about that 
law.....)

Beth

-- 
The brighest day in America will be when education has enough funding and
the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy a new bomber....My history
teacher (from the Wireless catalog) bets@matt.ksu.ksu.edu, bets@ksuvm.ksu.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: teg@cbnewse.cb.att.com (Theresa Geiss)
Subject: Re: Too much amniotic fluid
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 20:50:55 GMT
Keywords: is it possible?

In article <1992Jul31.181500.5773@dptg.att.com>, reg@dptg.att.com (51351[efw]-Regina Mackiewicz(MT4799)1374MT) writes:
> my sister is scheduled for a level 2 sonogram to determine if she
> has too much amniotic fluid.  i never heard of this condition,
> is there any net wisdom about this?  possible danger to mother and/or child?
> treatment?  (my sister swears that "if anyone comes near me with a horse
> 
> auntie reg
> 

When I was 5 months pregnant, my doctor sent me for a regular sonogram
because she said I had grown so much in one month that I might be having
twins.  The sonogram indicated that I had excessive amniotic fluid and
I was sent to a specializing hospital to have a level 3 sonogram.  This
turned out to be just like the regular sonogram I had previouly had but
the equipment was much more precise and a doctor  (specialist) performed 
the test.  I asked him what qualified this as a "level 3" and he said he 
did.  It was his interpretations of the sonogram that made the difference.

He told me that in 50% of the cases they would not be able to determine
the cause of the excess fluid.  It could be caused by diabetes, an
infection I might have had, or an abnormality in the baby.  Barring 
anything wrong with the baby, the only other danger was a risk of
pre-term labor since the body would think it was "big enough"  and 
ready to deliver.

I also had to have an echo-fetocardiagram (sp?) that checked out the
baby's heart.  It was just like having a sonogram (i.e. no pain to me).

In my case, the rest of my pregnancy was treated as a high-risk 
pregnancy and during the last 2 months I had weekly non-stress tests
at the doctor's office to make sure the baby was ok.  I did go into
premature labor and it was stopped after a nights stay in the hospital.
I had to take pills every 4 hours for 2 weeks to keep the contractions
stopped.

They never did find the cause of the excess fluid (the condition was
referred to as poly hydramonios) and I ended up being induced on my
due date.  The baby was born perfect.

If you have any other questions you think I could answer, just ask.

Teri


Newsgroups: misc.kids,sci.med
From: mylene@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au (Mylene Pijpers)
Subject: Re: Blood types - Mother&Father
Organization: Elec Eng, Univ of Western Australia
Date: 28 Jul 92 02:58:43 GMT

In <92208.182127JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu> Jennifer Brown <JLB155@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:

>My fiancee's blood type is A+.  I just got my card from Red Cross (AFTER
>8 MONTHS OF WAITING FOR IT!) and it states that I am O-.

1. Find a simple book on genetics (highschool-biology?) and try to find
   the story on blue eyes/brown eyes. Possibly the Rh-story is in the 
   book too. And for instance the reason why a red-black-white cat is
   always female. 

2. Read lots of success stories, here is one:
   Once I found out I was O-neg (ofcourse my midwife checked this during
   pregnancy) I started to dread the 'big injection' afterwards. I heard
   the thing is painful. Anyway, my husband is A+, yes, and both his parents
   are. But the baby turned out to be Rhesus-negative, so I needed no
   injection, and she might need one, if she dares to come home (&c) with a
   rhesus-positive young man. (I agree, there are more important things
   too look for in a man).
   So now I know we have 50% chance to get a Rh+ baby (see 1.) and the 
   time has come to decide: another man, no more babies, or the 'big 
   injection' in my bum, I better postpone that decision for a while :-)

[... panic deleted ...]

So there is no need to panic and turn into a nervous chain-smoker :-)

I don't know about the U.S. but in the Netherlands you get this injection
and infant-blood-test (injection ofcourse only if necessary) for free.
It is considered 'preventive' or 'disease control' or whatever, like the
immunisations for babies.
The 'father' has to bring some baby-blood (from the cord) to the state lab.
and wait 1/2 hour or so for the test to be done, and gets the antidote
back home. It has to be injected within 24 hours or so. My midwife or maybe 
the lab. registration gave me a document that I had to carry with me the 
last month or so when out of town, in case the baby got born in another city.
For reasons I don't know (technical, ideological or just political) you
don't get free antidote after an abortion.


The reason I put this on the net is:
If you KNOW you are Rh-neg. there is a risk to get the antibodies when you
have an abortion and probably (same mechanism?) with a miscarriage as well.
Keep it in mind when something like this happens and ask your doctor
about it.

Mylene



>-Jennifer
Organization: University of Central Florida--Computer Services
Date: Tuesday, 21 Jul 1992 14:17:30 EST
From: <ELDREDGE@UCF1VM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: For FSACP@acad3 - Timeouts (was Re: Alternatives to spanking)
 <MMEYER.92Jul20133004@m2.dseg.ti.com>

I mentioned this thread to one of my co-workers who is now in her 40's and
she said her father always made them sit in the bathroom - nothing to play
with, nothing to watch, nothing to DO.  I thought it was an interesting,
albeit strange, place to TIME OUT.

Cynthia Eldredge
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: carrie@cjt.b11.ingr.com (Carrie Thompson)
Subject: Strep B?
Reply-To: carrie@cjt.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:18:12 GMT


Hi misc.kidders-- after a couple months of lurking, I have a question 
about something called "strep B."  A friend of mine had a baby girl Saturday, 
July 18, and the baby ended up in the Neonatal ICU due to a strep B 
infection.  The baby improved rapidly once she started responding to the 
antibiotics, but Saturday night was very rough, and she won't be allowed 
out of the hospital for at least another week.  The baby was full term, 
weighing over 8 pounds.  

Since I'm expecting my first baby December 5 --which puts me a little over 
20 weeks :-) -- I'm wondering if I should be concerned?  Specifically, how 
common is it, and is there a test for this?  I do plan to ask my doctor 
about this when I see him next, but I'm curious if anyone has heard of 
this before.

I'm probably just finding another reason to worry needlessly (I'm very 
good at that-- just ask my husband! "-).  After a rough first trimester, 
I've been pretty much coasting along (except for some back/leg pain), happily 
planning (and worrying) for when the baby comes!  :-)

Sorry for rambling, 

Carrie "WOW, there's something MOVING in my tummy!!" Thompson
From: estier@nike.calpoly.edu (Ellen Stier)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Lefthanded Items
Date: 29 Jul 1992 17:13:28 -0500
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu


I'm the only lefty in my family. When it came to things that took
dexterity, my mom always sat in front of me and had me mirror what
she was teaching (rather than sitting next to me and having me try
to translate the difference). I remember it REALLY making the difference
when I was trying to learn to crochet.


Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Subject: Re: God's Family Values
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 92 16:14:49 GMT
Reply-To: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry)
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Herndon, VA

> Reid,
> I agree in principal with your statement.  One cannot control the actions of
> others on the net.  It's unfortunate that Mikki chose to use profanity
> and personal attacks at all (not to mention in a public forum). 

One thing that you truly fail to understand here is that the statements that 
the bible is "truth" happens to be profanity as well as a personal attack on 
each and every person who does not believe the same thing.

I've been on the net now for almost 10 years.  In that time, over and over 
again, people try to shove their religion down other people's throats as 
"the" way to do [fill in the blank].  I resent the implication that I am not 
being a good parent because I don't subscribe to this.  I also get bloody 
tired of those who believe that because they point to a work of fiction 
written over the course of "n" years, that they are right and the rest of the 
world is wrong.

Frankly, I feel that I've been personally attacked, and have the perfect 
right to defend myself.  Attack my beliefs or lack of same in a public forum, 
imply that I'm not a good parent because of them, and you'll bet I use the 
same public forum to rebut that impression.
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
Date: Friday, 31 Jul 1992 10:25:22 EDT
From: <RICHMOND@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject:    The family bedroom

Please excuse this post if the topic has been discussed recently--my access to
this group is somewhat sporadic.

What is the net.wisdom regarding children sharing their parent's bedroom?
Is this generally OK, or not desirable, or does it even have an impact one way
or the other?  For certain financial reasons, our son will be sharing our
bedroom at least until he is 1.5 yrs.

Please e-mail me directly.
David Thomson
dbt@biomed.queensu.ca
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Thanks + Question re: Sharing between one-year-olds (LONG)
Date: 22 Jul 92 10:47:00 EDT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1992Jul21.222856.17316@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, lauraf@spike.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom) writes:
> Last year jeffrey and I attended a Parent/Toddler class. Jeffrey was one of 
the older kids, and definitely the most agressive. He was taking toys away 
from the other kids, which put me in a hard position. 

Just a comment--typical toddler behavior is hard on both types of parents:
the parent of the victim, and the parent of the little thug :).  Like Laura,
I was usually in the latter group.  My son has always been very active, and
bigger than other kids his age.  I spent most of our public time once we began
activities with other kids either chasing him, pulling him off somebody else
or apologizing to another annoyed mom or crying child.  Not pleasant, believe
me.  Frankly I almost got to the point of wondering "why me" and what was
wrong with my son, that he ALWAYS seemed to be on the wrong side of rudimentary
courtesy and consideration rules.

Fortunately time helps everybody.  He is growing out of a lot of the grabbing/
hitting, and other kids are catching up in size.  But still, next time you
see one of those tiny terror tots heading for your child, please don't assume
he is the product of a parent who either doesn't care, doesn't try to teach
or doesn't think it is worth worrying about.  WE DO!!

Ann Helmers
From: ahelmers@umiami.ir.miami.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Use of drugs during labor - and electronic monitoring
Date: 27 Jul 92 19:38:23 EDT
Organization: Univ of Miami IR

In article <1992Jul27.195837.26820@watson.ibm.com>, lisa@watson.ibm.com (Lisa Leutenegger) writes:
> In article <LOWRY.92Jul27141802@rotor.watson.ibm.com> lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry) writes:
>>I'm talking about the nonintrusive kind that they
>>simply strap to your stomach
> 
> I would hardly call those straps nonintrusive - they restrict movement 
> and require the woman to lie on her back - or maybe (with luck and an
> understanding attendant) she may get to sit down or stand up.  But basically
> she has to stay still with very little movement.   I want to lie on my 
> side (almost on my stomach) when I am lying down.  I want to be able 
> to walk around.  I want to be able to do pelvic rock exercises if I have
> a posterior baby.  I want to be able to take a shower....

This is what you THINK you want now, Lisa.  I'm not flaming you, but you don't
know what you will be wanting in labor, you simply haven't experienced it yet.

[Lisa discusses numerous aspects of fetal monitoring which she has been
researching]
> 
> A woman who is electronically monitored is more likely to have a
> cesarean or a forceps delivery than one who is not.  The problem
> is that doctors simply don't have a clear idea on how to interpret 
> the data they get from these machines.
> 
> As a final note - EFM uses ultrasound technology - which in itself is 
> possibly harmful to the fetus.  I for one do not want to expose my fetus
> to hours of a technology that has not been proven safe and from the 
> 1 or 2 articles I have read it is quite possibly unsafe.

>>Another upside is that the coach knows before the
>>mother-to-be when labor pains are beginning to subside.  
> 
> I want my husband to pay attention to me - not a machine.  


I guess the summer sun in Miami is making me ornery, but...

Doesn't this sound amazingly like  Jim Mumper a couple of years ago?  Some
readers may recall him; he and his wife also went through a lot of researching,
made some very firm decisions about what type of interventions they did NOT
want during her labor, and had quite a bit of difficulty finding a facility
that agreed to their terms.  

As I recall, Barb M. ended up with a pregnancy that went several weeks past due
date followed by an extremely long, arduous labor that ended in a ceserean
section because the baby's cord was wrapped around its neck.  Jim, if you are
still reading the net(and I assume you are) you may want to comment.  My point
in repeating this story is simply that it really isn't the wisest thing for a
person to decide beforehand what she absolutely, positively will do or not do 
re. labor and delivery.  I believe that wisdom dictates trying to make plans 
with the knowledge and expectation that they can be altered depending on 
circumstances.

Lisa, I hope that your labor goes according to your plans but it sounds pretty
dumb to me to declare NOW that you won't use a tool that could help you and
your baby.

Just my heat-stroked opinion,

Ann Helmers
From: armstrongmw@cgc.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Jordan: The Labor Story
Date: 25 Jul 92 04:52:10 GMT
Organization: Cooley Godward Castro Huddleson & Tatum, San Francisco, Ca

In article <14k30fINNc41@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, plaice@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Marcie Plaice) writes:
> In <18475@drutx.ATT.COM> seb1@leia.dr.att.com (sharon badian) writes:
> 
>>In article <19350@optima.cs.arizona.edu>, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
>>|> By 10:00, I was having a lot of trouble dealing with the contractions,
>>|> since I wasn't getting any rest between them.  I had hoped to avoid
>>|> pain medication, since I tend to react very strongly to such things,
>>|> but I was really hurting and starting to panic slightly.  Marjorie ran
>>|> interference with the medical staff, and explained that I'd rather
>>|> have Nubane than Demerol, and they called my OB who okayed it.
>>|> Apparently, Demerol is more commonly used at the hospital.  
> 
>>My OB said that they most commonly use Stadol. Any comments on Stadol
>>vs. Nubane and Demerol? I've heard that it's a newer, better replacement
>>for Demerol, but that's about all I know.
> 


I had Stadol while I was in labor, but it didn't take any edge off of anything
that I could feel.  I really, really appreciated that epidural, though.  I
would totally recommend it to anyone.  They say it extends labor, and I was
induced so they were particularly concerned about that, but I'd rather have
longer, less painful labor than short, excruciating pain.

Melanie Armstrong
  
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lowry@watson.ibm.com (Andy Lowry)
Subject: Re: Discussing religion in misc.kids (Was: Re: God's Family Values)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 15:08:39 GMT
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
	<1992Jul29.150521.26147@ttinews.tti.com> <4631@crl.LABS.TEK.COM>
Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
Followup-To: misc.kids

In article <4631@crl.LABS.TEK.COM> sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King) writes:
 > Guidelines for the discussion of (potentially) controversial issues might
 > include:
 > 
 > 1) If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
 > 
 > 2) If you don't understand why someone holds a certain viewpoint, then
 >    _ask_ clarifying questions instead of trying to prove that you're right
 >    and they are wrong. (This trait, IMHO, is the hallmark of maturity).  
 > 
 > 3) If you have something that you sincerely want to share, then share it.
 >    If you simply want to provoke an argument, go talk to a seventeen year
 >    old and tell them they're wrong instead of posting.
 > 
 > 4) Treat others in the same way that you would like to be treated.

Hear! Hear!  But I'd like to propose a 5th (actually a zeroth)
guideline:

0) If the topic isn't related to kids, don't discuss it here.  This
   also means that when a discussion that starts out being about kids
   diverges away from kids, it should be moved elsewhere (example:
   Bible's recommendations on discipline turns to argument about
   whether atheists exist).  alt.flame is often a good place to move.

0.1) (Corollary) Don't piggyback (substantial amounts of)
   non-kids-related material on otherwise kids-related articles.
--
Andy Lowry, lowry@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7925
IBM Research, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Perms, Dyes, and pregnancy ????
Date: 22 Jul 1992 17:24:42 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <8ePJL6G00WB2M1dUNl@andrew.cmu.edu>, sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant) writes:
|> Do that many people really do these dangerous things while pregnant?  Geeze,
|> you're not even supposed to be around the fumes, let alone have the stuff
|> soak into your scalp and then into your bloodstream!  My barber (she hates
|> the word hairdresser) wasn't even allowed to be in the shop when a perm or
|> coloration was being done, she learned about these dangers in beauty school!

I read a whole lot during pregnancy, so I knew everything! I wondered about 
the women who don't do this, though. It wouldn't even occur to a lot of 
people to ask their doctor if something like that is okay. 

My doctor never even mentioned known risks such as hot tubs (can increase 
risk of neural tube disorders early on) or hair dyes (most are carcinogenic, 
but when one is banned the formala is changed just enough to make it legal, 
though not safe). So how are women who aren't fanatical information-consumers 
to learn this sort of thing?

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lhafner@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu (Laurie Hafner)
Subject: Re: Waters Break...Go to Hospital..Why?  (was Re: Use of drugs during labor (% wise))
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:35:00 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.173329.11643@ast.saic.com>, hyler@jaana.ast.saic.com writes...

>Now my question (I've always wanted to know this and never got around
>to asking my OB):  why go in immediately when your waters break?
> 
>I know from my doctor brother-in-law that 24 hours after the waters
>break is a danger point due to infection, but the first 10?  I'm also
>bath would resolve that.  So, what is it about water breaking before
>active labor that gets you put in the hospital.  What are they
>concerned about in the early phase?

Once the water breaks there is no "protection" from infections, etc. as you
mention above.  My OB told me that they want you to come in for a number of
reasons - but mostly (in my case 2x) to get the labor started.  After my 
water broke - nothing happened.  Nothing!  I ended up being on Pitocin for 
14 hours the first time.  It was either that or a C-section since the water
had already broken.  First labors are so unpredictable as far as length goes.
So, the second time around my OB thought he would give me a "chance" to 
get things going on my own.  My water had broken, the baby was 5 weeks early
and nobody (most of all me!) was in a hurry.  Well, needless to say we 
almost messed up!  He didn't start Pitocin until 12 hours had passed - figuring
this was a 2nd baby, etc.  It got to be 23 hours after my water had broken and
this baby still wasn't born.  We were getting close to C-section time and 
I decided - no way was I going to have a C-section after this much work!
Finally (6 hours before New Year's) he was born.  But the OB had told me 
he would not go past 24 hours because of the baby being premature, etc. they
didn't want to end up causing him any extra problems - he was going to have 
enough problems without any extra human-made ones!

Laurie Hafner, Weeg Computing Center, University of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa  52242
lhafner@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu
From: doering@froyo.esd.sgi.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Nanny sharing input wanted
Date: 23 Jul 92 16:47:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

I share a nanny with my next door neighbor whose son is 2 months younger
than my daughter.  It works wonderfully.  My neighbor is a teacher and she
only teaches half days, but it helps with the cost and I think Allison
learns a lot by having a singular playmate around.  We sat down beforehand
and discussed all of the issues we could come up with (i.e. whose house,
how much $$, discipline philosophies, etc.)  After a year, we still have
had no problems.

We also swap evening babysitting with our neighbors and share nighttime
high school babysitters when we need a night out.