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From: jswitzer@afit.af.mil (Chip Switzer)
Subject: Re: Updates??
Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:50:46 GMT

scott@ods.com (Scott Harper) writes:

>Chip Switzer (jswitzer@afit.af.mil) wrote:
>                            ~~~~~~
>: Well some of us do read the net more than once a day.  And those of us
>: who have to work on Sundays appreciate the very timely updates.  
>: 
>: Leave my ten-minute ticker alone!  You don't have to read them...

>If you are "working" on Sundays (for the Air Force???), what the hell
>are you doing reading net.news roughly every 30 minutes? (Which is the
>apparent frequency of these "update" postings)

>Geez, no wonder our taxes are so high....    .,   <-- only half a smiley

I guess you're just one of those people who pop-off at the mouth quickly
without engaging their brain, so I won't take offense at your stupid 
assumption.

Just so nobody else believes I have been letting the country's 
security lapse while I spent my 1.5 minutes every half hour reading
the updates, I am in fact in school and working on a program on the
weekends.  I seem to have a little bit of idle time while I'm
compiling.

Grow up.     <---  no smiley.

-- 

Chip Switzer                            "A witty saying proves nothing." 
jswitzer@afit.af.mil                              -- Voltaire 
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From: dmg@mo.cs.wm.edu (Daniel M. German)
Subject: Re: JETS 15-1 this season or kill me
Organization: College of William & Mary, founded 1693
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 15:07:58 GMT


After the result against the Steelers, 

In article <1992Sep11.140051.3838@spcvxb.spc.edu>, 2pereira_f@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
|> Hi out there all you football fanatics......
|> 
|> I just wanted to say that if the JETS play like they did against the 
|> FALCONS on Saturday...the first quarter that is....I will burn my 
|> season tickets.....
|> or sell them........

We are waiting to attend your funeral. ;-)

And the tickets-burning ceremony...

|> 
|> GO JETS!!!!!
|> ------> Please don't lose another game like that !!!!!
|> 
|> JETS   15 - 1
           ^^^^^^


-- 
Daniel M. German         "nada tenemos que esperar,
dmg@cs.wm.edu             sino de nosotros mismos" 
			  Mario Benedetti.
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From: auwen@convex.com (John David Auwen)
Subject: Stephone Paige
Summary: what happened to Stephone Paige?
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 19:55:37 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

I'm curious about Stephone Paige of Kansas City.  Is he still on the
team?  Was he able to recover from his injury of last year?  Is 
he holding out?

Dave
auwen@convex.com
From: markl@spuddy.uucp (Mark Liversedge)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Updates??
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:09:03 GMT
Organization: Spuddy's Public Usenet Domain

>I can understand overseas readers wanting detailed game reports but I
>really can't see there being enough people getting news real-time AND
>actually being tuned in to the the net at game time to make these
>kinds of constant updates worth the clutter.  Why not just type in the
>report as the game goes on and then post it at the finish?
>
Yep. This is exactly what *I* want. (UK).

However, I must thank ALL posters for updates, they really are appreciated!

>
>"Don't drive too slowly."                 Richard Caldwell
>                                          AT&T Network Systems
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>                                          att!cbnews!nrc
>                                          nrc@cbnews.att.com
Long live BSDI !!!!



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From: skywalke@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Timothy B. Reynolds)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Redskins played like slobs?
Date: 11 Sep 1992 19:32:29 GMT
Organization: X-Ray Crystallography / Howard Hughes Medical Institute

In article <1992Sep11.173718.11046@sequent.com> schalene@sequent.com (Schalene Dagutis) writes:

 >this about the Allen years.  But if you look at the roster, separating
 >the starters from the reserves, the Skins' have one of the younger teams
 >they've had in some time.  It would be interesting to see how it
 >compared to other NFL teams, but compared to other Skins teams, they
 >are younger this year.  Yes, we have some aged veterans at some
 >positions, but over all the starters are younger and the reserves are
 >younger.
 >
 >schalene

The Average age of the Cowboys is 23 years old.

Anyone else ????


tim



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From: mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers)
Subject: Re: Niners/Bills (gag)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 92 23:59:44 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

In article <1992Sep14.042013.2107@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> marshall@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes:

>In article <d9xndga.mzimmers@netcom.com>, mzimmers@netcom.com (Michael Zimmers) writes:

>>If anything, this game pointed out in painful detail how much improvement
>>both teams need to even think about the Big Dance.  The Bills might
>>get there with this offense, but the Niners will never survive the
>>more talented NFC contenders.

>Who do they have to survive? So far, the only other NFC team that has
>shined is Dallas. OK, we have to still consider the Redskins, since they
>are the Super Bowl champs, and they have the talent, but for some reason
>are not clicking. After Dallas, Washington, and San Francisco, there is
>a big drop-off (down to the Eagles, probably). If you look at the
>remainder of the 49ers' schedule, you'll only see one team that might
>bother the 49ers defense, and that's Miami (OK, maybe Atlanta).

If this was any indication of how the Niners' D will be in three months,
I don't like their chances against the Bowboys, the Deadskins or the
Phallic-Cons.  And it only takes one of them to knock the Niners off.

The other aspect is that it seems more likely for an offense to evolve
during a season than for a defense to do so.  At least this has been
the case with the Niners over the last decade.  I would much rather
have seen a stuttering offense with a monster defense yesterday; win
or lose, I'd have felt better about the postseason.

>Maybe, but I really don't think it made any difference here. Add up
>Turner's and Sherrard's stats and they had a Jerry Rice day. But just
>maybe Rice would have made one outstanding play the no one else is
>capable of making.

You bet.  And consider that nearly everyone on offense was having a
better than average day.  Rice might have put up some career numbers.

>>3. Montana makes that last drive work.

>After surgery the day before? Oh, you mean the 1980's Montana! Yeah,
>I think he would have. Although you have to admit that Young pretty
>much "made it work", but Cofer screwed it up.

I'd have even taken a '92 Montana with a healthy arm (though that
wasn't offered to me.)  Three minutes left, Niners on their own
20 down by 3.  Yeah, with Joe in there, I like my chances especially
against the Bill's secondary.  Not a knock on Young, but that's the
situation that Joe's put together for.

>Yeah, it's funny how most of the games that get labelled as "classics"
>are the wide-open, high-scoring games like this. Me, I'd rather see
>a game with Ronnie Lott levelling wide receivers. One of the things that

I still think the best game I ever saw was Niners-Giants in the '90
regular season (won by the Niners 7-3).  Now *that* was football.
-- 
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SoftHelp                                           |  Work:  408 996 1965
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From: jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM (John P. Gloria)
Subject: Re: Jets-Atlanta / Instant reply
Organization: Pacific * Bell
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:29:39 GMT

In article <92250.164219NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> NMBCU@CUNYVM.BITNET (Nelson Broat) writes:
>First, let me be the first to say that instant replay SHOULD NOT RETURN.
>
>Instant replay was detrimental to the game the last few years (IMHO). Just
>because there were two fumbles where the Jets obviously should have been       d
>awarded the ball does not mean we should all start screaming for its return. We
>shouldn't forget the aggrevation it caused when it existed due to the inability
>of the officiating crews to make proper use of the decision making tool which
>they were given.
>
>Officials are only human, they will make mistakes, as will our favorite
>players. And some of those mistakes will be big ones, but thats part of
>the game (part of any sport), though we arm chair QB's wish it weren't
>part of ours.
>
>I thought Browning Nagle handled himself very well in his first outing.
>Granted he made some rookie mistakes, but he also showed the poise of
>a veteran as well. I think the Jets have a bright future with him as
>their QB.
>
>Final Scores for those reading the net but who have no radio and tv
>at thier disposal (now how many of us can that be? :))...
>
>
>
>Eagles      15       Saints      13
>Bills       40       Rams         7
>Bears       27       Lions       24
>Falcons     20       Jets        17
>Steelers    29       Houston     24
>Colts       14       Browns       3
>
>Scores as I know them...
>
>Vikings     20       Packers     20      (Currently in OT)
Vikings     23       Packers     20   Final

>49ers        7       Giants       7
49ers        31      Giants       14  Final
>Chiefs       7       Chargers     3
Chiefs      24       Chargers     10  Final
>Seahawks     3       Bengals      0 
Seahawks     3       Bengals      21  Final
>Cardinals    3       Buccaneers   0

-- 
        ---------  John Gloria - jpglori@pacbell.com	--------	
 		"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination
	       is out of focus."   -     Mark Twain
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From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu
Subject: Re: NFL Announcers
Organization: Clark University
Date: 9 SEP 92 19:00:37 GMT

TNT announcing in football has always been pretty pathetic.
They had one guy in the past couple of seasons who always said
"Fourth and five and let's all watch it together!" (What?)

CBS's Madden/Summerall team is okay. I like Madden better when he's
being more analytical, as opposed to commenting on "down-n-dirty" linemen.
Their problem is that they always cover the same teams, so after a couple
of seasons they never say anything new.

I like NBC's commentators, although none really stand out.
I agree that ABC's Monday night team occaisonally has grammar problems,
but they generally do a good job.

Bart T.
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From: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Subject: Re: Smith is NOT Sanders is NOT Thomas is NOT...
Reply-To: patpower@crchh458.bnr.ca (Patrick Power)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Richardson, Tx
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 14:53:45 GMT

In article <18njbnINNr5@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, am402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alex Canada) writes:
|> 
|> In a previous article, reams@bnr.ca (Cary Reams) says:
|> 
|> >In article <1992Sep9.220408.16299@leland.Stanford.EDU>, paladin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Jason Gische) writes:
|> >|> I think the header said it all.
|> >|> Smith is the second best runner in the NFC now.  He is not Barry Sanders.
|> >|> Smith can't carry tacklers the way Sanders can.  And although Smith
|> >|> outgained Sanders last year, it took Sanders being rested on the final
|> >|> weekend for him to win the title.  And it took him many more carries to do
|> >|> it.  Sanders is the feature back in a pass-oriented offense.  Smith is the
|> >|> lone back in a balanced attack.
|> >|> He's a great player, but don't try to say he's better than Sanders.
|> >|> Jason Gische
|> >
|> >..... mutliple followups not included
|> >..... noticeably absent are the TThomas-backers (thank-you.)
|> >
|> >Folks, given that there is only one SB trophy handed out (along with
|> >innumerable individual awards by various (self-serving?) organizations)
|> >
|> >a) Remember this is a team game (How would Sanders, Smith or Thomas 
|> >(listed alphabetically) perform behind Cleveland's front line ? - they
|> >do still have EMetcalf, right?)
|> 
|> I think that's the point exactly, Smith has a better supporting cast around
|> him, thus he outgained Sanders in yardage last year. I think if you switch
|> RB's, have Sanders in Dallas, and Smith in Detroit, Sanders would even
|> be better than he is now. IMHO.
|> 
      IMHO, Detroit has the better OLine.  Dallas has a converted DL playing
tackle, an ex-USFLer playing guard, 2yr man EWilliams has less than 10 starts.
I believe Lomas Brown was selected by his peers for Pro Bowl honors.  I know
Detroit has been hurt by some big losses, but Dallas hasn't had a Pro Bowl
OLineman in nearly 10 years.
|> 
|> Alex
|> 
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From: dominimj@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Michael J Dominick)
Subject: Re: Buffalo Bills are underdogs
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:38:39 GMT


In article <1992Sep12.161147.28749@equalizer.cray.com> mcs@fps.com (Mike  
Sanfratello) writes:
> In article <1992Sep11.182028.8818@PacBell.COM> jpglori@srv.PacBell.COM  
(John P. Gloria) writes:
> 	[ ... ]
> >Point well take Russ.  However, not counting Vegas, all the sport  
magazines,
> >sport analyst agree that the Niner's are a better team and they SHOULD  
win
> >the game.  There are no guarantees in games.
> >
> HAHAHAHAHAH!!  Right, *ALL* the sport magazines agree that the Niners  
are
> a better team than the Bills...sorry, that is just WRONG...
> 
> 
> mike

	I guess we'll find this out tommorrow....

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			      44          99          SSSSSSSS

					MJD



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From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Who's got the toughest schedule?
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 19:10:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.170043.23792@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) writes:
>azjohn@eagle.larc.nasa.gov (John Paul Phillips) writes:
>>Here's a posting by Gidi from a few months back.
>
>Hey, I'm getting quoted on RSFP!  I made it!

Yawn!!! I've got a whole subject dedicated to me on R.S.F.C. Gidi.
I guess after all these years we're finally in huh?

Tony (go cleveland) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu

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From: tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP)
Subject: Scores from first week please
Originator: tphili@c00399-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Reply-To: tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 22:45:01 GMT


I havent watched any FB all day ...  been stuck at the lab.

Would someone please post on the net or email the scores of all 1 pm games
and 4 pm games (they must be over by now 647 PM EST) to me!!

Many thanks!!
From: v079l2xj@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (MARK B. KRUZYNSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Does no Instant Replay mean no Announcer Review?
Date: 15 Sep 92 01:35:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1992Sep14.234853.2812@ntmtv>, bradletm@ntmtv.UUCP (Tim Bradley) writes...
>From article <1992Sep14.195213.13074@a.cs.okstate.edu>, by cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu (COOPER ROBERT BRYA):
>>  
>> When I saw this touchdown the first thing I thought was, "that
>> was no touchdown, he fumbled that ball across the endzone."
>> 
>> Now DON'T quote me out of context and say that I am calling for the
>> return of instant replay, BUT the anouncers totally ignored this 
>> possibility.  Neither one of them said a thing about it.  I would ahve
>> been annoyed if they stopped the game and reviewed it in the replay
>> official's box, but that does not mean I don't want to see the play
>> again in slo-mo from another angle just to make sure.
>> now since the death of I-R.  I rewatched this play on video in slo-mo 
>> from the highlight film on the news, and I am still unconvinced that it
>> was a touchdown.  The shadows are almost upright in the picture, and 
>> the shadow of the ball is clearly unconnected from Taylors hand as it 
>> crosses the white line.  Not that it made a whit of difference to the game,
>> Niners still lose.  Nor is it really important whether it really was or 
>> not.  But, I would appreciate it if the networks were not deciding whether
>> to discuss a questionable call based on the possibility of offending the
>> NFL owners who decided to do away with I-R.
>> 
>> my $.02
>> 
>> Bryan Cooper,  cooperr@a.cs.okstate.edu
>> 
>> ps. peace

I think we watch two different sets of NFL games.  It seems that after every
'close' call, the first thing out of the announcers mouth was "If we had
instant replay, they'd take a closer look at this."  And then they proceed to
look at the play 23 times and say, "yep, the officials made the right call." 
It's these correct calls (more often than not) that caused the owners to do
away with replay in the first place.

Hell, in the 49ers-BILLS game alone, Dick and Bob 'reviewed' quite a few of the
plays.  Of course, the plays they reviewed, if reversed, would have been agains
Buffalo, (typical of the networks, but that is another post).  And we are going
to be hearing this all season..."If we had replay..."  But, we DONT, so there
is no use to the networks questioning it, they should save that until the
offseason, because there is nothing they can do about it now!

Mark B. Kruzynski
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From: minor@rtsg.mot.com (Kevin Minor)
Subject: Re: Instant Replay
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 23:14:37 GMT

vamplew@probitas.cs.utas.edu.au (Peter Vamplew) writes:

|>In <x-tnrz=.gordons@netcom.com> gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:

|>I don't see this as an argument for instant reply. Consider this situation.
|>I'm a receiver with the same contract, I have 14 TDs etc. Late in the last 
|>game of the season I shed my cover and run wide open in the end-zone where
|>the qb overthrows me by six feet. We win the game but the blown throw costs
|>me $50,000!!

|>Would you suggest that we have an Instant Rethrow rule so that I can get
|>another shot at making my bonus? I hope not. Whether the NFL keeps Instant
|>Replay or not is going to be determined not by players' salary structure, 
|>not by whether teams win games on bad calls but on whether it makes the
|>game more entertaining or not. And this comes down to your definition of
|>entertainment.

Say what ? Let's keep the debate within reality. The arguement above
has for something that did happen and the receiver should have gotten
credit for, but did not because a ref f*cked up. That is the same
thing when a bad call costs you the game. It can and does affect paychecks.
That's an extra INT that Aikman has (after Monday night) that he clearly
should not have had. And that affects his QB rating. If he has a contract
like Warren Moon used to, that affects his paycheck in a MAJOR way.

|>I suspect people strongly involved in football are more likely to like IR
|>because it gives their team a "fair" chance, whereas casual football fans
|>are more likely to be against IR because it slows the game down. In the
|>end it comes down to which group of people the NFL think constitute the
|>majority of the market. (Assuming of course that the NFL owners are
|>rational beings and not the pig-headed idiots that they for the most part
|>actually are).

Perhaps, but even the casual fan should be bothered when a replay
is constantly shown over and over and nothing is done about it
on the field.
And replays are even shown at stadiums. And even a person who doesn't
even know the rules of football gets a little involved when seeing a
game live with 70,000 fans booing...
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From: saeed@a.cs.okstate.edu (SAEED FAISEL)
Subject: Cowboys Schedule
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 19:33:51 GMT

In article <14SEP92.22022609@vax.clarku.edu> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>Sep 6	at Houston			1pm  WIN
>Sep 13	NY Jets				4pm  WIN
>Sep 20	at San Diego			4pm
>Sep 27	at Green Bay			4pm
>Oct 4	BYE
>Oct 11	at Cleveland			1pm

	[stuff deleted]

Does anyone have the cowboys schedule as above ?
Also, if you can indicate who is showing the game ?

Thanx in advance.
\
-- 

Faisel Saeed

Computer Science Department,   Oklahoma State University,   Stillwater, OK 
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From: statesse@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Scott E States)
Subject: WAY TO GO COLTS!
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1992 23:23:53 GMT



Colts 14 - Browns 3

 I can't believe it!  The first Colts opening day win since the move to  
Indianapolis!  They did it even without Jeff George!  I think this is going to  
be the Colts' year - lookout Redskins!  Well, maybe it's a bit too early for  
that...


Scott E. States
From: sajja@gradient.cis.upenn.edu (Rajeev  Sajja)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.pro
Subject: Re: Steelers Schedule Update (repost)
Date: 15 Sep 92 18:01:27 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In article <14SEP92.22022609@vax.clarku.edu> htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:
>Oct 25	at Kansas City		     7:30pm
>Nov 1	Houston				1pm
>Nov 8	at Buffalo			4pm
>Nov 15	Detroit				1pm

	They are going to lose the above four unless something drastic

happens.

>Dec 13	at Chicago			1pm
	This one is tough again...

-Rajeev
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From: tap1040@venus.tamu.edu (SPEED RACER)
Subject: Re: Cowboys beat Redskins: 23-10
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 03:50:00 GMT

In article <1992Sep9.153745.21393@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, butch@geopix.gcn.uoknor.edu writes...
>|>>Aikman looked good. He had two (2) interceptions, but one of them was
deletions about the trapped interception.....

>|>Aikman looked good? I would hate to see him when he looked bad.
deletions about Aikman's performance....
> 
>In the post-game comments, one of the receivers commented that the ball was
>really slick in the first half.  Not an excuse, but it would explain why
>Troy was
>throwing so many ducks.  Still, I would agree that Troy didn't look all
>that sharp,
>especially in the first half.  Maybe season-opening jitters.

Well, in any case, Troy looked a lot better than Rypien.  :)
(couldn't pass that one up.  sorry, skins fans.)

________________________________________________________________________________

                                     Tracy      
                              Texas A&M University
				       
John Madden: "There's a good sign.  Troy Aikman putting his pants back on."
Pat Summerall: "That's ALWAYS a good sign."    (RFK Stadium, Nov. 24, 1991)
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From: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Kevin Lu)
Subject: Mo. Carthon
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 12:24:16 GMT


Can anyone tell mem the status of Maurice Carthon? (Fullback for the
giants). Of the 1 hr highlights we got over here in Oz on the SF/NY game,
i did see him at all. Is he still with the team???

Thanks

  +----------------------------------------+-------------------------------+
  |  Kevin Lu                              | Monash University             |
  |  Email: kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au  | Clayton, Victoria             |
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