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From: eb@felix.Sublink.Org (Enrico Badella)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: RFI: IDEF0 and IDEF1X
Date: 7 Jan 93 18:10:46 GMT
Organization: Soft*Star s.r.l, Torino, Italy

The last edition of the FAQs I have contains only one refernce to
IDEF methodologies.

I would like to know more about IDEF0 and IDEF1X modelling methods from
a market share point of view. Is anyone using them and at what extent?
Are there better alternatives and which are they?

I read the Marca/McGowan book on IDEF0 and like the method. I also have
a copy of an unknown document that describes IDEF1X; it doesn't seem
as flexible as Chen or Martin is this correct.

If you have experience on these two or more methodologies, I'd appreciate
hearing from you.

Thank you.

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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: oscar@cui.unige.ch (Oscar Nierstrasz)
Subject: Re: Class Project For Software Engineering Cour
Reply-To: oscar@cui.unige.ch
Organization: University of Geneva
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 09:52:08 GMT

In article 1i4lfqINN849@crcnis1.unl.edu, memon@cse.unl.edu (Nasir Memon) writes:
>Have been looking around
>for ideas for a class project and a `Mix and Match Component' scheme suggested
>by James Horning's Software Hut seems quite interesting to me. However, do not
>have the original article - `The Software Component as a Serious Game' which
>describes the project in detail. Does anybody out there have a copy of this or
>a similar article? If so, I would appreciate getting a copy of the same. 

Just for the record, the reference to Horning's article is:

%A Jim J. Horning
%T The Software Project as a Serious Game
%B Software Engineering Education -- Needs and Objectives
%E Wasserman and Freeman
%I Springer Verlag
%D 1976

Oscar

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From: larry@elvis.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Larry Pollack)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Starting with CASE
Keywords: CASE
Date: 7 Jan 93 19:37:49 GMT
Reply-To: larry@xlnt.com
Organization: XLNT Designs, Inc.

My company is interested in evaluating CASE and CASE tools.
Unfortunately, no one here has any recent background in this area. We
are a programming group of 7 people working on several different
projects at once. We work primarily with embedded systems.

I would appreciate any of the following information:
 - recommended reading material for the uninitiated
 - experiences with CASE in small programming groups
 - seminars, tutorials or trade shows worth attending

Thank you for your support.

-Larry.

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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: ogden@seal.cis.ohio-state.edu (William F Ogden)
Subject: Re: Projects for software engineering courses
Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 15:44:32 GMT

In article <1ikltuINN7q9@andre.d.umn.edu> kpierce@andre.d.umn.edu (Keith Pierce) writes:

>Here at the University of Minnesota Duluth, I've tried from-scratch
>development projects for several years. The results were usually
>disappointing: the product, if finished at all, was of very low quality
>and rarely met specifications completely; the one-quarter
>time limit was so short that near the end of the term students abandoned
>all of the engineering principles learned in class and resorted to
>fire-drill mode in order to get a product finished before finals; such
>practice negated much of what I tried to teach them about quality
>assurance, the value of inspections, the importance of a well-defined
>and rigorously followed process, and so forth.

Part of the problem here is that a quarter doesn't allow time both to
discuss the many important aspects of software which are critical to a
sound understanding of the software development process but which are not
covered in other computing courses, as well as to experiment with these
ideas in a project. To scale back to just a design project or a coding
project or a testing project, etc. is to create the impression that the
field has reached the point where the SE problem can be cleanly factored,
and thereby to obscure the true scope of the problem faced by software
engineers. We find that it's more effective to set up a two quarter
sequence of courses with the project starting on day one of the second
course and comprising its primary activity.
-- 

/Bill

Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: John W Gintell <j.gintell@bull.com>
Subject: Re: Gnu code coverage tool
Organization: Bull - US Applied Research Lab
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:56:30 GMT
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X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
X-Xxdate: Thu, 7 Jan 93 13:58:40 GMT

Subject: Gnu code coverage tool
From: Mac Binesh, mbinesh@Auspex.COM
Date: 6 Jan 93 18:01:02 GMT
In article <16249@auspex-gw.auspex.com> Mac Binesh, mbinesh@Auspex.COM
writes:
>I am looking for any information or leads on how to
>get an evaluation copy of a GNU code coverage test 
>tool that might exist out there. 
>
>Please let me know if you have any information.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mac.

Try btool.  Its author and strong proponent is Brian Marick who is
reachable  as marick@cs.uiuc.edu.  

			John
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Date: Mon,  4 Jan 1993 19:59:21 -0500 
From: Nenad Ivezic <ni10+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Rumbaugh et al - Object Modelling Technique

I would like to see the summary of the responses.
Thanks.

Nenad Ivezic
Graduate Student
Civil Eng Dept
Carnegie Mellon University
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: jxm@engin.umich.edu (John Murray)
Subject: ISO-9000 for User Interfaces??
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 16:09:22 EST
Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor

I heard somewhere recently about an ISO-9000 related standard
specifically concerning user interfaces and human-computer 
interaction. I don't think the regular ISO-9000 series (1 to
4) cover this particular topic; for some reason the number
9541 sticks in my mind. Anyone got more info? 

Thanks,  

John Murray
Univ. of Michigan
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: julian@vanuliet.unx.sas.com (Phil Julian)
Subject: Re: Gnu code coverage tool
Originator: julian@vanuliet.unx.sas.com
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:46:22 GMT
Organization: SAS Institute Inc.


In article <1993Jan7.185630.12595@mips2.ma30.bull.com>, John W Gintell <j.gintell@bull.com> writes:
|> >get an evaluation copy of a GNU code coverage test 
|> 
|> Try btool.  Its author and strong proponent is Brian Marick who is
|> reachable  as marick@cs.uiuc.edu.  
|> 			John

btool is superceded by gct:

   Don't expect much mail on the btool list - I think most everyone has
   switched to GCT.

   Brian Marick, marick@cs.uiuc.edu, uiucdcs!marick,
                 marick@testing.com (pending)


I am waiting for my directions for gct 1.4.  This new version has
survived its beta phase, and is ready for use.  This is step 1 for
getting gct:

   To get it:
   1. Anonymous FTP to cs.uiuc.edu.
   2. Go to the directory pub/testing/gct.files.
   3. Fetch either ftp.ps (postscript) or ftp.txt (formatted to be
      read online).
   4. Follow the directions in that document.

Also, you may want to get other stuff, which may or may not be useful
(I will be getting these):

   connect cs.uiuc.edu
   chdir pub/testing
   get GCT.README
   dir gct.1.3
   dir gct.files
   get gct.files/ftp.ps ftp.ps

-- 
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 SAS Institute, Inc.   |  listening!"
 Open Systems R & D    | Rev. Billy C. Wirtz, as quoted in the Record 
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From: knowles@fnalo.fnal.gov (Rich Knowles)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Strategic Info-systems plan
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:26:09 GMT
Followup-To: comp.software-eng
Organization: Fermilab
NNTP-Posting-Host: fmsm01.fnal.gov

Hello all:

Firstly, Happy New Year.

Now, the mooch;  Can anyone tell me a source for information regarding
the structure of a Information Systems Strategic Plans (preferably for
a government institution - such as a lab.)  Even a copy of an old
plan would be helpful.

PS:  I have included misc.jobs.contract on here because writing
strategic plans is just the sort of thing consultants are used for.
(Please don't flame me - I throw myself on the tender mercies of the court)



Rich Knowles           knowles@fnalo.fnal.gov            Fermilab
From: jari@dsv.su.se (Jari Koistinen)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Looking for Tech. Report
Date: 5 Jan 93 14:43:09 GMT
Organization: Stockholm University, Sweden
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]

Hi,
I am interested in a report written by J.M. Bieman at Colorado State University
in USA. Does anybody know how to reach the author, or how to get the report?

The reference:

  Bieman, J.M.:
  Deriving Measures of Software Reuse in Object Oriented Systems.
  Technical Report #CS91-112, July 1991, Colorado State
  Universty, Fort Collins/ Colorado, USA.


	Thanks in advance!

		Jari

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University of Stockholm, Royal Institute of Technology.
Postal adr: Electrum 230, 164 40 Kista, Sweden, Email:jari@dsv.su.se
Phone: + 46-8-161621 (alt. +46-8-7274359), Fax:+46-8-7039025, 
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Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: se_debou@rcvie.co.at (Christophe Debou)
Subject: Re: Any papers on Metric Methodology?
Keywords: METRIC, METHODOLOGY, PARADIGM, SOFTWARE, ENGINEERING, PAPER, BOOK
Organization: Alcatel Austria - Elin Research Center, Vienna
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:03:57 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.032534.9872@bnr.ca> tdoan@bnr.ca (Tuan Doan) writes:
>Hello,
> 
>   I was wondering if anyone know of any good paper/article/book in regard
>to the review/critique/analysis of various metrics methodology/paradigm.
>For example, I am interested whether there is any other "popular" metric
>paradigms other than the Goal-Question-Metric (GQM) paradigm used by HP.
>
>Thanks,
>
> __  __/  /   /   __  /    |   /    Tuan T. Doan
>    /    /   /   /   /   / |  /     Advance Signalling Design
>   /    /   /   __  /   /  | /      2201 Lakeside Blvd.  P.O. Box 833871
>__/  ______/ __/ __/ __/  __/       Richardson, TX 75083-3871
>                                    Phone: 6-444-4575/214-684-4575
>Internet:  tdoan@bnr.ca             Fax:   6-444-3716/214-684-3716
>      or   tdoan@x400gate.bnr.ca    

I can advise you the so-called "ami Handboook". It contains more than a metric paradigms like the 
GQM (in fact, an adapted GQM is part of the book) i.e. a stepwise and pragmatic approac
 for the introduction of metrics in a software project. AMI (Application of Metrics in Industry) is
an ESPRIT II project which is now at the end. Its task was to raise the awareness of metrics within
the industry and produced among others documents and tool a handbook. The approach developed in
the Handbook was tried in 20 various software projects across Europe and therefore the Handbook
incorporate the feedback from these experiences.
So far, some very big companies have decided to adopt the ami approach.
Copies of the ami Handbook  can be ordered from 
Alison Rowe
ami Promotion administrator
CSSE - South Bank University - 103 Borough Road - London SE1 0AA - UK
Tel : +44 71 815 7504
Fax : +44 71 928 1284

Regards

Chris
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Software-engineering group / Alcatel Austria-ELIN Research Center,
Ruthnergasse 1-7, A-1210 Vienna/Austria. Phone: (43)-(222)-391621/268
e-mail: ...(mcsun.eu.net!)se_debou@rcvie.co.at  
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng,comp.edu
From: tja@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Tim Arnold)
Subject: Re: Class Project For Software Engineering Course
Organization: Computer Science, University of Melbourne, Australia
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 22:09:36 GMT

karrer@aludra.usc.edu (Anthony Karrer) writes:

[stuff about suitable projects]

>These are particularly well suited to this class because they are
>fairly well known by students or can easily be learned.  As such you
>avoid the many of the problems of ill-defined requirements specifications
>leading to heart-ache at the end of the semester.

Surely one of the major lessons to learn in Software Engineering is
the problem of adequately defining requirements. The actual project
here changes every year or so but it is intentionally ill-defined.
Tutors play the role of client in clarifying requirements.
Xref: sparky comp.software-eng:5208 comp.edu:2273
From: dmmatt@bigez (Mike Mattix)
Subject: Re: Software as PE
Organization: Monsanto Agricultural Company
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:34:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.220546.12794@netcom.com>, lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman) writes:
> In article <C0Hu83.Gpp@ddsw1.mcs.com> tcubed@ddsw1.mcs.com (James Hanlon) writes:
>>
>>With these sorts of talented engineers on the job, who needs managers?
>>Or do they realize that?
>>
>>James E. Hanlon, PE
> 
> Are you sure you work in the real world?  It's not unusual for managers
> to ask their engineers for their opinions on how long a project will
> take and how much manpower will be needed.  The assumption is that
> the engineer can provide meaningful input (depending on his/her level
> of seniority).
> 
> Is this not the case in other engineering fields?
> 
> Hans Lachman
> lachman@netcom.com

Hans,

 In the real world it is very unusual for a single individual to have all the
traits you mentioned in the previous articles.  People tend to be strong in
some areas and weaker in other areas.  I believe MOST managers solicit input
from their staff in making schedules, determining manpower requirements, even
equipment requirements.  That does not mean the each staff member fully meets 
your specifications.  I however happen to believe you put together a pretty 
good set of 'job requirements' for a software engineer.  I like discussions
that revolve around the 'real world' of software engineering.  I mean if 
the software we produce does not add value to something/someone's 
company/organization we will not be in the business of creating it much longer.

-- 
Mike Mattix
Agricultural Group of Monsanto
P.O. Box 174
Luling, LA 70070
INTERNET Address: dmmatt@bigez.monsanto.com
From: herbst@seq.uncwil.edu (R.T. Herbst)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: What is an OBJECT?
Keywords: OOP software-eng
Date: 10 Jan 93 15:14:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: seq.1993Jan10.151427.1371
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington


What is an "OBJECT"?
In the interest of stirring some discussion on the subject of OO*,
I offer the following.
1. I cannot tell you what an object is but I know one when I see one.
2. From Essays on Object-Oriented Software Engineering by Edward V.
Berard. Prentice Hall.

"An object is some private memory with some associated functions or
an object is like a struct"

"... Objects correspond to real world entities, object are those things
tha populate the universe around us"
3. Sentences can contain subjects, verbs, and objects.

Berards work is quite interesting and provides a coherent treatment 
of a vital subject which has an object.
seq.uncwil.edu
From: dm@think.com (dave mankins)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: Looking for "A Tale of Two Programmers"
Date: 5 Jan 1993 21:44:37 GMT
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge, MA (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: merlin.think.com

In article <86162@ut-emx.uucp> guccione@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Steve Guccione) writes:
>
>I have been looking for a paper for a few years now, and have decided
>to see if anyone out on the net could help.
>
>It was published around 1984-85 and was titled "A Tale of Two
>Programmers" or something similar.  It was a story of two programmers
>(conicidentally) working on identical projects for two competing
>comapnies.

NW Rickert, ``The parable of two programmers'', ACM SigSoft SE Notes,
	10, 16-18, Jan. 1985

WD Maurer, TE Barrios, ``The parable of two programmers ---
	continuted/still more'', ACM SigSoft SE Notes,
	10, 19-22, April 1985
-- 
david mankins (dm@think.com)
			Gregor Samsa awoke one morning to find himself 
			transformed into an enormous software defect.
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: bar@advtech.uswest.com (Bala Ramakrishnan)
Subject: Testing Tools
Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:28:19 GMT

I am doing product evaluations of various testing tools. If you have used
any of the following tools, I would appreciate your feedback. If possible,
please provide me the contact information also.

ATF, Softbridge
Automator QA, Direct Technology
Playback, Compuware
Testpro, Sterling Software
Traps, Computer Associates
V-Test, Performance Software
Verify, Computer Associates
XRunner, Mercury Interactive.

Are any of you using C++ testing products in particular?

Thanks in advance.

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From: karrer@aludra.usc.edu (Anthony Karrer)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng,comp.edu
Subject: Re: Class Project For Software Engineering Course
Date: 4 Jan 1993 11:33:20 -0800
Organization: Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

At LMU we have been using a project-oriented software engineering
class for the last ten years, and I've been teaching it for the
last three years.  The projects that we've found to be most effective
for a semester long course (if you expect the students to achieve
a working product ... some courses go only through detailed design)
are board games such as Monopoly, Risk, Othello, Backgammon, etc.

These are particularly well suited to this class because they are
fairly well known by students or can easily be learned.  As such you
avoid the many of the problems of ill-defined requirements specifications
leading to heart-ache at the end of the semester.

One article that you should look at and possibly get an outline from
is:

Elaine Kant, "A Semester Course in Software Engineering", Software
Engineering Notes, 6(4), Aug 1981.

We use a modified version of this for our course.


 
-- 
Take It Easy,
  Anthony Karrer (akarrer@pollux.usc.edu)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: kirby@xerox.com (Mike Kirby)
Subject: Re: Hiring, specialization, and so on (was
Reply-To: kirby@xerox.com
Organization: Xerox Corporation, Webster NY
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:39:28 GMT

In article 8rzr2fj@dixie.com, jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
>claird@NeoSoft.com (Cameron Laird) writes:
>
>>1.  is there something inherent in software
>>    work that makes the contractor/high
>>    turnover/narrow specialization/inade-
>>    quate training/... constellation more
>>    probable/profitable/desirable than
>>    obtains in other engineering domains?
>

[ A lot of really good stuff deleted]

>John
>-- 
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A report was released recently that indicated that the reason the U.S. has maintained
a higher productivity rate over japan and Germany is largely because of the mobility
of our workforce.  Because it is much easier for U.S. corporations to hire & fire,
we have the ability to constantly recycle employees.  Dead wood is regulary eliminated (either by the company going out of business, or a recession comming a long and that
company being forced to lay people off).  When business picks up, they just don't
hire the same people back.  They look for the best.  

Mike Kirby
Xerox Corp
E-mail: kirby.roch803@xerox.com




Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
From: bankilco@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu (Bank of Illinois - Invoice)
Subject: Professional Organizations...
Summary: Wanting contact information on following organizations...
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 00:12:50 GMT
Keywords: professional organizations

ACM, AICCP, ASM, AWC, BDPA, CCA, CIPS, COMMON, DAMA, DPMA, FNUG, HKCS, ICCA,
ISCA, ISTE

We are trying to generate a list of professional organizations for computer
professionals...  A recent review of material has generated these abbreviations
but not much information on how to contact, join, etc...

Would appreciate phone numbers and addresses for information.  Will post 
summary.  Thanks in advance.


Don McKinney
Release Coordinator
-- 
The opinions stated here are my own, and not endorsed by or supported by
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