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From: ccav38@ccsun.strath.ac.uk ("I.Ballouz")
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: To Mr. Balloz, Thankyou
Date: 5 Nov 92 08:35:43 GMT
Organization: University of Strathclyde

In article <1d8j74INNpd8@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk> mmg@doc.ic.ac.uk (M M Ghanem) writes:
>I wish all the people here were as  understanding (as well as can keep calm)
>as you.
>
>I only wish to make one more thing clear: I never aimed at aggrevating anybody
>and I have not insulted anybody other than that guy. (Don't blame me for what 
>other people have said on the net -- I merely said that they didn't start it).
>The only time I generalized was when I asked him about the XXXXXXIAN way of 
>fighting the war (two times in one message). I keep a copy of all postings
>regarding this matter. In the same message I said that reminding him of
>what Egypt has done was not going to get us anywhere (I think you agreed with
>me on that). [I hope that no flames should arise from this statement again].
> 
I can't deny anybody any right to express opinions or to reply to them.
The basic thing, in my opinion, that should apply to everybody (starting by
myself) is to avoide short sighted actions.
If we are to do so, everyone of us has in his bag plenty of excuses and
arguments to attack the others. At that time, brotherhood and common fate...
become a ridiculous joke.
>
>Again thank you for your calm reactions.
>
I know I am not an example to follow, if you had passed through what we have
lived you would be better placed to understand my reactions.

The thanks are due to you and may I take the opportunity to say that I was
not directing my remarks to you personally, rather I was replying to those
who angered me. 

>Moustafa  
>
>
>
>


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From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Bulbul)
Subject: Re: Who is Crepin-Leblond
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 02:24:22 GMT

o.CRepin-leblond@ic.ac.UK (Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond, Olivier M.J.        Crepin-Leblond) writes:

>Sorry to deceive you, but you got that theory wrong as well, Bulbul.
>I am using cis.ohio-state.edu to post messages simply because our
>machine here has not got posting possibilities. You see, we get our
>newsfeed from icdoc, but we can't post. So I am making use of
>well known mail-to-usenet gateways to post. Obviously something
>which you were not aware of. You can all try it yourselves. To
>post this article, I am sending to:

>soc.culture.arabic@cis.ohio-state.edu

>You can send to virtually all newsgroups. This is an official email to
>news gateway, and there is NO forgery involved whatsoever.
>As to the non-existence of my account, that's news to me.
>Imperial College has a vast number of machines on-site, and a system
>called email aliasing is used, where you have one email name for the
>whole college. 
>I'm sending Mr. Bulbul a separate message (email) to confirm to him
>that I do exist. I do hope that this will calm him down a bit. People
>who turn places into battlefields occasionaly get flamed themselves.
>Then, everything goes back to quietness.

   OK. I acknowledge your supiriority over me, I am no expert anyway.
I beg your pardon.

   But just for curiousity, why did you give a damn about tracing me
back?


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From: ilyess@Davinci.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira)
Subject: Re: Egypt and the Arab world
Organization: ECE - Concordia University
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 17:44:48 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.040250.26218@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad) writes:
>In article <Bx5ErE.985@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@Davinci.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:
>
>(some lines omitted)
>
>>2)While up until now, the Egyptian government claimed that its onslaught on
>>Islamists is directed only  to the extremists among them, it has arrested the
>>day before yesterday scores of members of the Muslim Brotherhood for being
>>members of illegal organization!!! (for those of you who do not know,
>>the membership of Ikhwan is estimated at 2million and it existed since 1928)
>>Now that is how your government responds to earthquakes.
>>
>
>You fail to mention that several tourists were shot to death in Egypt by
>muslim fundamentalists very recently.  Although it's not exactly the most
>civilized way of doing things, this the typical way the Egyptian government
>conducts investigations in these matters.

Now you are trying to imply that they were responsible for it?
I think the Egyptian people are smarter than what the government likes
to think. they just do not know what goods democracy can bring, maybe
not enough to be serious about it.

>
>>I say All Arabs deserve the situation they are in untill they dare expose
>>themselves and kick those criminal dwarfs out of power.
>>
>
>First, you are clearly not aware of opposition newspapers in Egypt.  Second,
>admitting that you have problems is always the first step towards solving

No, I am aware. The only respectable NEWSpaper in Egypt, is Ashaab, and
it is constantly harrassed.

>them,  but having 'coups' of the sort you seem to be advocating is always
>counter-productive.  The problem in Egypt is not that we have a corrupt
>president or prime minister:  we have a corrupt economic system that is 
>extremely difficult to correct.  I don't prescribe a coup to correct that 
>problem.

The problem in Egypt is that you have a corrupt Mega-gang of about
100,000 criminals (about 0.2% of the population, which is muchless
than the percentage of szchetzophrenics in any society, so it is not
a huge number) who are ruling your country and sucking your bloud
(I hope youare not one of them). they are headed by your President,
vice President, and his top party officials.
that is your problem.. A coup within that gang wil not help, a coup
from outside that gang would help, but it is highly unlikely...
The solution? I do not know.. This will take us into the theory
of collective action and peasant revolt.. It is a long subject.

the situation in most Arab countries is almost the same, but your
country is so strategic to israel, that I do not think the Mossad
will let your people free easily.
From: ahmad@ra.cs.umb.edu (Ahmad Hashem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Arab Unity
Date: 8 Nov 92 23:13:40 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston

In article <1992Nov8.204827.14353@trl.oz.au> a.Faris@trl.oz.au writes:
>
>Lebanese and Syrians have alot of things in common, many people do not know
>that there is a large Marounite population in Syria. Also the founder of the
>Marounite church is originally from Syria.
>
>A.Faris

I think Michael JuHa puts it very eloquently in his article in Al-Nahar 
newspaper July 24, 1991 when he says that The Maronites' mistake is
they look for their roots in France, Europe and the US, but they are 
orientals and their roots are in the orient.

Yes, the founder of the Maronite church is from the ^Assi Basin in Syria, and
Maronites had to flea from there when they were tortured by the Christian
Byzantines (not by Muslims) in the 10th century AD where they went to the 
Mountain in Lebanon.

I guess my point is the issue of identity is at bottom a matter of personal 
feeling.  If a top politician like Joseph Abu Khalil says he does NOT feel 
that he is an Arab, who is to decide his identity for him?

                                                 Best Ahmad
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From: mike@vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at (Michael Gschwind)
Subject: Re: Palestine
Organization: Vienna University of Technology
	<BD.92Oct22090603@fluent.UUCP> <1992Oct27.033235.1914@nysernet.org>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 00:59:59 GMT

In article <1992Oct27.033235.1914@nysernet.org> astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:

   Israelis as the persecuters when they are still the victims.  And then
   to use the tried and true, albeit dispicable, propaganda ploy of
   trying to associate Jews with Nazis.

   Or have you really forgotten the fact that it was Jordan that attacked
   Israel in 1967, that refused to negotiate a territorial compromise
Trash! Israel attacked!
   before or since, or that had the Palestinian Arabs refused to take up
Why should the Palestinians give up part of their territory? You mean
they didn't show good will by not co-operating and rewarding the
aggression and occuption? Which self-respecting people can do so?
   the offer of autonomy after Camp David, the final status of the
Why accept autonomy in a state that belongs to them...
   territories would have been settled years before the intifada even
   started?
Well, so let the intifada continue, and, inshallah, they might even
win more international support...


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From: jodar@girtab.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (10th)
Summary: Ummm...Excuse me, but...
Keywords: Islamic World News, Economics
Date: 11 Nov 92 12:36:08 GMT
Article-I.D.: girtab.1dsmvoINNgan
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu

Assalamu Alaikum....

In article <1992Nov11.221046.128@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> abde@troi.cc.rochester.edu (Tamer A. Abdelgawad) writes:

>I normally don't read the 'Islamic World News', but a headline in this
>one caught my eye: something on Islam and Economic Systems.  

[cynical potshot deleted]

>By the way, the article can best be described as a badly thought out
>exercise in establishing moral superiority.  It has no economic content.

Ummm...  Have you read the article in question?  Perhaps because
it is the third part of five (if my memory is correct) you may
have missed the fact that the writer is commenting on the
suitability of Islamic Economics to Muslim Philosophy....  So
far, economic policy hasn't been discussed.

I'm going to wait until I've had a chance to read the whole
article before passing judgement on it.  With the given heading,
I think it would be more appropriate to reprint the findings of
the European Community's financial wizards.  Despite their 
experts' strong endorsement of Islamic Economics, and the EC's 
interest in implementing such policy, when the Heads of State 
found out it was connected to Islam they dropped it like a hot 
potatoe.  It would be entertaining, if it weren't so tragic.

And yes, I spell potatoe with an 'e'.... :-)

-AQ
From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: _\!/_ Ohm Salam _\!/_
Date: 10 Nov 1992 15:22:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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Ohm Salam writes:

>Maybe Anisa can explain?


        "Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, and do not transgress
        limits (begin not hostility):  For God loves not transgressors.  And
        turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and
        oppression are worse than slaughter.  And fight them on until there
        is not more persecution or oppression, and there prevail justice and
        faith in God; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to
        those who practice oppression."  [2:190-193]

        "Lo!  Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their
        wealth because the Gardens will be theirs.  They shall fight in the
        way of Allah and shall slay and shall be slain.  It is a promise which
        is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Quran."  [9:11]

        "Sahl bin Sa'd (RAA) states that the Holy Prophet (SAW) said:  Guarding
        the border land (even) for a day is better than the world and all that
        it contains, and the smallest piece of land in Paradise equal to even
        your whip, is better than the world and all that it contains.  For a
        person to go on Jihad (fighting or striving) for the sake of Allah for
        a morning or an evening, is better than the world and all that it
        contains."  [Bukhari and Muslim]

        "Abu 'Abs Abdur Rahman bin Jub'r (RAA) relates that the Holy Prophet
        (SAW) said:  The fire of Hell will not touch the feet of a person
        which are covered with dust in the struggle (Jihad), for the cause of
        Allah."  [Bukhari]
     
There is another Hadith where the Prophet (SAW) says that the greatest
jihad is the internal one, which is the battle against evil and in
striving towards goodness and purity.

As I said before, I might very well be the mother of little Jihad
one day ... so ... take whatever meaning you like.

Anisa


        "The fire of Hell will not touch two pairs of eyes:  one that
        sheds tears out of fear of Allah and the other that keeps
        watch through the night in the cause of Allah."  [Tirmizi]

____________________

Good Job Ohm Salam/Jihad.

Elie, go to bed thinking about this!  It is ok if you get restless,
because Jihad will never vanish..

"Some people work to live, others live to work, and others live to
be a martyr."  HS

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From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein)
Subject: Re: Israel Apartheid????
Organization: NYSERNet, Inc.
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 05:46:05 GMT

ahmed@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ahmed El-Habbash) writes:


>I don't know what would you describe this situation when people who are
>born in Palestine are driven out to be replaced by people who never seen
>that land before.

I would describe such a situation as a figment of your imagination and
anti-Israel propaganda.

The Arabs who left Israel in 1948 left of their own volition.  Those
who heeded the pleas of the Jews to remain became full citizens of
Israel, with more rights than their fellow Arabs have anywhere else in
the Middle East.
-- 
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From: nabeel@sce.carleton.ca (Nabeel)
Subject: Re: Vilayet-e-faqih
Organization: Carleton University
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 04:35:26 GMT

hermi@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Lotfi Hermi) writes:

>Natural Universal Vicegerency (Takwini Vilayet)

[religion fiction deleted.]

   Once I had a discussion with Br. Ali Atie, and I brought up some
similar issues to this. He claimed that such books are printed in
cheap prints in Egypt or Turkey to distort shiism and so on.

   No matter what, all information points to the existance of the
so-called "Mishaf Fatima" with at least an extra "surah" praising
the so-called "al-il-bait."

   Anyway, the right is from God, and everyone can do its own.

>Lotfi Diwana


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From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)
Subject: Re: Israel Apartheid????
Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:23:36 GMT

aaldoubo@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Shaqeeqa) writes:
#dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) writes:

##1) The law of return has no relation to race, only to religion. you
##   better check out before you make such accusations.

#And what religion, specifically, is that Danny?  Singling out groups
#because they don't meet the criterion of a *religious* group IS infact
#racist.  Before you start defending these policies, you'd better face
#reality first that discrimination on the basis of *race*, *religion*,
#and *gender* IS NOT DEMOCRATIC!  Case in point:  Nazi Germany.

This is getting into an infinite loop. I pointed out that the
law of return has nothing to do with race. That is a fact.

I also pointed out that giving special privileges to a certain
group of people is not racist. Compare this to what is happening
with certain minorities in the US, which are favoured in certain
things like addmitance to universities.

#Well, actually, it does have its restrictions:
#
#	"Israeli AIDS policy provokes anger"

#"JERUSALEM -- An Israeli decision to bar entry to some Jewish
#immigrants and foreign workers who have the AIDS virus has provoked
#angry protests from those who believe the policy violates a
#fundamental tenent of the Jewish state.

Same goes for the US. Every immigrant has to test for AIDS.

#Perhaps they have enough problems with the AIDS epidemic from the
#immigrants who brought their trade skill from Russia.

What a disgusting and ugly remark. I hope you are proud. No, wait,
I am sure that you are proud.


-Danny Keren.


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From: prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr)
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (10th)
Organization: Neuroclinical Trials Center, University of Virginia
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:43:12 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.231908.1@max.u.washington.edu> imnet2@max.u.washington.edu writes:
>==========================================================================
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>I                   * NEWS UPDATE                                        I
>I                   * ISLAM & SCHOOLS OF ECONOMICS                       I
>==========================================================================
>
>BOSNIA-HERCEGOVINA
>An entire people are being slaughtered before our eyes, yet the
>world watches with splendid indifference.

I wouldn't exactly call it indifference.  Horror, perhaps, but not
indifference.  What should we do?  Should we leap into a centuries old
conflict, guns blazing?  Such a posture would cause far more harm than
good.  I don't have any solutions, but I know that intervention on the
part of the UN or the US is inappropriate.

	-Phil
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From: eldibmr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Moataz R Eldib)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Oct 1973: Yom Kippur War (To Husam)
Date: 13 Nov 92 20:18:07 GMT
Reply-To: eldibmr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Moataz R Eldib)
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: white.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu

In article <1992Nov12.064735.27720@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>  
carasso@Turing.ORG (Roger Carasso) writes:

> Israel attack was not unprovoked.  On May 22, 1967 Nasser blocked the
> Gulf of Aqaba cutting off Israeli port of Eilat, breaking
> International Law.  The same week the Ba'ath Party seized power in
> Syria and opened a new campaign of terrorism against Israel, while the
> Syrian Army Shelled Israeli villiages in the Golan.  On May 15,
> Egyptian forces rolled into the Sinai (In 1957 Egypt agreeed to
> demilitarize the Sinai).  On May 17, Cairo Radio's Voice of the Arabs
> proclaimed: "All Egypt is now prepared to plunge into a total war
> which will put an end to Israel. "  Other quopets from Nasser that
> persuaded Israel that an attack was immenent and that a pre-emptive
> > If you call that unprovoked, then you're fucking on drugs.  If Israel
> wanted more land they wouldn't have given up the Sinai or territories
> beyond the Golan that it took in 67.  They want peace, and the sooner
> the Arabs recognize ISrael's right to Exist, the sooner they can have
> their land back.
> 
> 
> roger

	You seem to have a very short and selective memeory of History.
	In the 1950's, leading up to the Suez crisis, Ben-Gurion ordered 
	an unprovoked attack against Egypt, with the express purpose of  
	baiting Nasser and Egypt into a military confrontation.
	Before this attack Nasser was only concerned with Egyptian 	 
	domestic affairs, not a conflict with Israel.  Nasser was even 	 
	asking the U.S.  for money to build the Aswan Dam.
	And then of course everyone seems to forget what that "brave hero"  
	Ariel Sharon was doing in the 50's.  Sharon lead an elite army 	 
	unit that's prupose was to go into Palestinian villages and kill  
	women and childern while they slept. This was a mission approved  
	of by Ben-Gurion.
Moataz
From: jovanovic-nick@cs.yale.edu (Nick Jovanovic)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic,soc.culture.bosna-herzgvna
Subject: Re: ISLAMIC WORLD NEWS (10th)
Date: 12 Nov 1992 19:45:22 -0500
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
NNTP-Posting-Host: zoo-gw.cs.yale.edu

In article <1duqsaINNq93@aludra.usc.edu> jodar@aludra.usc.edu (Nicholas Jodar) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.144312.13782@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> prs9k@brain.med.virginia.edu (Phil Scarr) writes:
>
>
>>I don't have any solutions, but I know that intervention on the
>>part of the UN or the US is inappropriate.
>
>The UN (and the U.S.) are already intervening.  They've cut the
>supply lines to those in B-H while allowing Serbia to continue
>receiving outside help.  That, and the UN Peacekeeping forces 
>are basically working against the Bosnians....
>
Yes, the U.S. has done far too much already.  Slovenia, Croatia, and
Bosnia-Hercegovina should not have been recognized until a negotiated
breakup of Yugoslavia was peacefully reached.  And why is it that 
Croatia has stopped allowing goods to get to B-H?

-Nick
From: blais@ut-emx.uucp (Donald E. Blais)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Calender conversion program wanted
Date: 8 Nov 92 13:45:05 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin; Austin, Texas

In article <1992Nov8.001806.15262@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wmuhanna@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Waleed A Muhanna) writes:
>Now, for Islamic history buffs out there, here is a quiz:
>
> When was the Hijri calendar first introduced and by whom?

Encyclopaedia Britannica [Macropaedia], 15th edition, 1983

Calendar

    The second caliph, `Umar I, who reigned 634-644, set the first day
    of the month of Muharram as the beginning of the year [...]; that
    is, July 16, 622,...

For information on more than two dozen calendars from cultures in all
parts of the world, see...

Parise, Frank
The Book of Calendars
L of Congress: CE 11 K4
Dewey Decimal: 529'.3

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