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From: jhb@maths.su.oz.au (John Brownie)
Subject: Universalism (Was Re: Salvation by Works.)
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 23:54:06 GMT

In <7510@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> paulh@cs.uq.oz.au (Paul Henman) writes:

>				   Universalism is the concept that God's
>love is SO great that God is unable to send anyone to damnation.  Indeed,
>God's love and mercy saves ALL, even though God would want all people to
>live a life of God.  THERE IS GOOD BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR UNIVERSALISM!

Not to mention the good Biblical arguments against universalism.

>I just wish some of you would take an in-depth and studied look at the bible,
>prefarably through a distinguished theological college.  Questions such as
>universalism would be discussed in theological subjects such as the Christianty
>and its relationship with other faiths.

Time to show my hand, I see :-).  I studied at Moore Theological
College in Sydney and received a Bachelor of Theology degree through
the Australian College of Theology.

Universalism was partly dealt with in one of the missions subjects,
World Religions and the Gospel.  It was more fully dealt with in the
Theology subjects.  Off-hand, I can't recall whether it is Theology IIA
or Theology IIB which deals with the doctrine of salvation, but that is
where we looked at the question.

--
John Brownie
School of Mathematics and Statistics
University of Sydney
Internet: jhb@maths.su.oz.au
Newsgroups: aus.religion
From: ricko@ee.uts.edu.au (Rick Jelliffe)
Subject: Re: Universalism (Was Re: Salvation by Works.)
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 12:17:44 GMT

>In <7510@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> paulh@cs.uq.oz.au (Paul Henman) writes:

>>				   Universalism is the concept that God's
>>love is SO great that God is unable to send anyone to damnation.  Indeed,
>>God's love and mercy saves ALL, even though God would want all people to
>>live a life of God.  THERE IS GOOD BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR UNIVERSALISM!

If everyone is to be saved automatically, why does Jesus seem to take its
existance so seriously? Surely in the parable of the wise and foolish virgins
and others he wants us to make sure we are not unprepared (unless you think
it is referring merely to purgatory)? And what does he mean about
the fate due to those who lead his little ones astray (that they
would better have had a millstone around their necks etc)?

I think there are two separate questions. The first is, will others
go to hell? I think that is God's business, and theirs; as Graeme Green
is supposed to have said "we are required to believe hell exists, not that 
there is any one in it". 

The second question is, could I go to hell? This is definitely my business,
and I want to take Jesus' words as seriously as it is possible to take them.
Forgetting about others' condition, if I reject Jesus' words and his death
and his church, why should I expect him not to say "Go away I never knew you".

Now these two views may seem to contradict: if I believe I might go to 
hell how can I also hold that others perhaps will not? The answer is just
that I am in no position to know the state of grace of anyone at their death
if they die outside the faith. Perhaps in their last minutes they do cry
out; perhaps not. 

A lot of anti-hell opinions are based on irritation by would-be evangalists
telling people they will go to hell: people rightly reject this as presumption.
But it is far more serious presumption for me to say "there is
no hell, therefore I can't go there". It is possible to take hell completely
seriously, but not be obnoxious about it. 
-ricko
Newsgroups: aus.religion
Subject: Re: Salvation by Works.
From: house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house)
Date: 8 Apr 92 02:15:31 GMT

jhb@maths.su.oz.au (John Brownie) writes:

>In <house.702529703@helios> house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house) writes:

>>That would be a good analogy, but for one thing.  If the DoI announces
>>the amnesty on TV, or with ads in the paper, fair enough.  But if they
>>spread it by word of mouth, make lots of mistakes, claim impossible
>>things to have happened, etc., people will rightly assume it is a
>>hoax.  Christianity would be fine if the offer were absolutely unmistakeable.

>Sounds to me like you want God to satisfy your conditions before you will
>accept his message.

No.  I want to be sure it is HIS message I am accepting.

--

Ron House.                 USQ
(house@helios.usq.edu.au)  Toowoomba, Australia.
Newsgroups: aus.religion
From: house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house)
Subject: Re: Salvation by Works.
Organization: University of Southern Queensland
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 03:28:22 GMT

callum@bain3.bain.oz.au (Callum Gibson) writes:

>you that God is a God of justice.  He will judge all mankind and those who
>chose not to follow Him will be punished.  It's there in black and white.

No, In black & white it says those who do good will be rewarded and those
who don't, punished.  Half a chapter of Matthew explains it in detail.

--

Ron House.                 USQ
(house@helios.usq.edu.au)  Toowoomba, Australia.
From: callum@bain3.bain.oz.au (Callum Gibson)
Newsgroups: aus.religion
Subject: Re: Salvation by Works.
Date: 14 Apr 92 06:54:44 GMT
Organization: Bain & Company, Sydney, AUSTRALIA

in article <7510@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>, paulh@cs.uq.oz.au (Paul Henman) says:
> live a life of God.  THERE IS GOOD BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR UNIVERSALISM!
> I just wish some of you would take an in-depth and studied look at the bible,
> prefarably through a distinguished theological college.  Questions such as
> universalism would be discussed in theological subjects such as the Christianty
> and its relationship with other faiths.

While universalism may be discussed in theological colleges I doubt very much
that it would be supported.  The problem with universalism is that it requires
God to be less than perfect by ignoring sin.  It is sin that separated us from
God according to Genesis, and it is Jesus Christ that paid the price of that
sin according to the NT.  An in-depth and studied look at the bible will tell
you that God is a God of justice.  He will judge all mankind and those who
chose not to follow Him will be punished.  It's there in black and white.
BTW, do you speak from experience?  It seems as though you have attended one
such theological college that did support universalism.

regards,
    Callum

-- 
Callum Gibson                           callum@bain3.bain.oz.au
Eyeball Temporary Analyst/Programmer    BH : +61 2 258 1620
Fixed Income Division                   Fax: +61 2 258 1000
Bain & CO, Sydney, Australia.           AH : :-)
From: paulh@cs.uq.oz.au (Paul Henman)
Newsgroups: aus.religion
Subject: Re: Salvation by Works.
Date: 12 Apr 92 22:43:40 GMT
Reply-To: paulh@cs.uq.oz.au

In <9209902.20735@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> sliew@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Selbyn Liew) writes:

>In article <house.702181942@helios> house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house) writes:
>[other stuff deleted]
>>
>>OK, let's accept this for the sake of discussion.  If Jesus' death carries
>>our penalty for sin, why bother asking people?  Just heap everyone's
>>punishment on Jesus, and send everyone to heaven.  I know what the answer

>Hi again (after a considerable absence) Ron,

>As I understand and experience it, Jesus' death is applicable only when
>God draws the sinner to Himself and he repents and believes upon the
>Saviour.  Salvation is not just forgiveness of sins.  When a person comes
>to Christ, he is "born again" (a real and experiential change in his heart,
>justified (i.e. forgiven and considered righteous) and sanctified (God 
>sets him apart to do a work of holiness in him).  If His death and
>resurrection applied for everyone automatically, then the whole world
>would suddenly be "born again" etc. and it will be a much better place
>to live in.  This, however, is not the case, whether we like it or not.

This may be your interpretation.  Universalism is the concept that God's
love is SO great that God is unable to send anyone to damnation.  Indeed,
God's love and mercy saves ALL, even though God would want all people to
live a life of God.  THERE IS GOOD BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR UNIVERSALISM!
I just wish some of you would take an in-depth and studied look at the bible,
prefarably through a distinguished theological college.  Questions such as
universalism would be discussed in theological subjects such as the Christianty
and its relationship with other faiths.

Keep searching

Paul.

Newsgroups: aus.religion
From: jhb@maths.su.oz.au (John Brownie)
Subject: Re: Salvation by Works.
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 03:10:05 GMT

In <house.702529703@helios> house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house) writes:

>That would be a good analogy, but for one thing.  If the DoI announces
>the amnesty on TV, or with ads in the paper, fair enough.  But if they
>spread it by word of mouth, make lots of mistakes, claim impossible
>things to have happened, etc., people will rightly assume it is a
>hoax.  Christianity would be fine if the offer were absolutely unmistakeable.

Sounds to me like you want God to satisfy your conditions before you will
accept his message.
--
John Brownie
School of Mathematics and Statistics
University of Sydney
Internet: jhb@maths.su.oz.au
From: shaw_g@darwin.ntu.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.mail
Subject: E-mail address for Pegasus
Date: 7 Apr 92 11:33:32 +0900

Can I send an E-Mail message to pegasus via AARnet? If so what is the correst
addressing format ie SMTP%".....@pegasus.......????"

Greg Shaw
Darwin, N.T.
Date: 12 Apr 92 10:28:30 GMT
From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Newsgroups: aus.films
Subject: Spike Milligan on Vizard
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney

One of the funniest things I've seen in a long time.  Vizard was
asking hopeless questions, and Spike appeared to be on a completely
different planet.

After complaining about the tea, the beer, and how little he was paid to
appear, and interrupting any other guest unfortunate enough to be
there, Vizard was at wits' end (but still managing that grin).  Kathy
Lette(?), who appeared to sincerely believe that the poms are all
closet bondage freaks who live off jellied eels, looked even stupider.

V [grinning]: would you accept a knighthood?  Spike, are you a royalist?
S [not grinning]: no, I'm Irish.  We blow them up.

V [after being harassed constantly]:  so what makes YOU happy, Spike?
S:  ahh, let's see... I forget her name...


The whole night was like that.


--
Iain Sinclair   axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au                             ne cede.
From: mwatts@neumann.une.oz.au (Elvis Presley,Graceland,,)
Newsgroups: aus.films
Subject: Re: Three men and a ghost
Date: 12 Apr 92 00:39:57 GMT
Reply-To: mwatts@neumann.une.oz.au
Originator: mwatts@neumann.une.oz.au

From article <703027853.F00004@csource.oz.au>, by Peter.Sureda@f352.n633.z3.fx.cec.edu.au (Peter Sureda):
> A friend has just told me that in one scene of three men and a baby there is a
>  child in a window , and that this is supposed to be a ghost of a previous
>  ocupant of the flat.
>        I recall this subject being hotly deabted about a year ago and cannot
>  recall the outcome..
>        Any suggestions ?
> 
> peter
> 
>  * Origin: Compu-Talk. Melb. (3:633/352)

If I remember correctly, there was somebody standing behind a curtain
during one scene, and apparently the person was a sound engineer or
something.  A while after the movie was released, there was a hot debate
as to whether the image was a ghost, but alas, it was just someone who
accidentally got into the scene and no-one realised until the movie was
already released (and by then it was too late to cut it).

matt                         quito ergo sum
mwatts@neumann.une.oz.au
mwatts@mihi.une.oz.au
From: Peter.Sureda@f352.n633.z3.fx.cec.edu.au (Peter Sureda)
Newsgroups: aus.films
Subject: Three men and a ghost
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 11:13:00 +1000

A friend has just told me that in one scene of three men and a baby there is a
 child in a window , and that this is supposed to be a ghost of a previous
 ocupant of the flat.
       I recall this subject being hotly deabted about a year ago and cannot
 recall the outcome..
       Any suggestions ?

peter

 * Origin: Compu-Talk. Melb. (3:633/352)
From: Hamish.Moffatt%p3.f552.n635.z3@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au (Hamish Moffatt)
Newsgroups: aus.games
Subject: Police quest
Date: 5 Apr 92 18:50:54 GMT


 j> From: j_isler@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au
 j> Organization: University of Western Australia

 j> Anyway what I cannot go pass is the stage where the main character
 j> is at the hotel with the woman. I just cannot get rid of her so as
 j> to get in to that secret room.

 j> This is a refresher ... everytime I ask the bartender if I can go in
 j> he is saying to get rid of the girl. 

 j> So how do I do that?

If you are were I think you are, you have to go upstairs with her and call a
taxi to take her to the police station, then tell her to wait outside the hotel
for the taxi to come. I _think_. It's been a while. A year maybe. Great game
though.

Hamish Moffatt


 * Origin: Cloud Nine's Usenet Gateway System (3:635/552.3)
From: dudleyh@sheoak.bcae.oz.au (Dudley Horque)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: Re: Sydcon soon - stuff to play
Date: 6 Apr 92 04:17:25 GMT
Organization: UCNV, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia

In article <wes.702203301@ise> wes@echo.canberra.edu.au (Wes Nicholson) writes:
>BTW, for all you Mex... Victorians, how goes Conquest? There hasn't been
>much publicity for it.
>
>	wes

Si senor, what a breeleeant observaseeon. There has not been moch
eenformation on Conquest. I know that Mr. Bruggeman was sending me a
stack of brochures... I ended up getting one from a friend. I know that
there seem to be a whole stack of events, but precious little
information about a lot of them.

I can tell you that I've been speaking with the state RPGA rep, Richard
Dennis, and it sounds like the main ADaD should be good (he managed to
convince me, and I do NOT like ADaD). He also went into a treasonous
amount of detail about the Paranoia event that he is organising. It
looks to be excellent, and I'm not saying this just because I will be
refereeing some sessions.

Anyway, I'll leave with a plug for FowlCon (pronounced Falcon or any
other darned way you like), which is coming up on the 25th, 26th, and
27th of September in Bendigo. Brochures should be available at both
SydCon and Conquest, and it looks like being a great weekend.

Ciao4niao Dudley
From: atkinsons@topaz.ucq.edu.au (Shane I G Atkinson)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: UCQ role-play club...
Date: 10 Apr 92 20:07:31 AET
Organization: Chairman of the UCUF

  For those members of the University of Central Queenland and near by Unis,
    we have formed a gaming and role-play club.

  The following is the list of elected office bearers.

  The first meeting was held Thursday at 2:00 ((pm), for those who know me !).

  The following unanimous and unopposed elections occurred:
  --------------------------------------------------------
  Shane Atkinson     Grand Duke of Gaming           (President)
  Dean Clarke        Earl of Role-Play              (Vice-President)
  Heath Cordy        Keeper of the King's Treasury  (Treasurer)
  Ivan Sykes         Imperial Scribe to the Court   (Secretary)


   Anyone wanting more information about this can e-mail me...

-- 

      
                                                                   ._________.  
                                    I Remain,               Action |    *    |
 "Appeler moi le Capitaine                     Shane        this   |*===*===*| 
    de la lutte"                            (Duc de Phi)    Day    |    *    |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| 
|  /~x~\  Duke of Phi |  Shane I G Atkinson - 3rd year Computing Degree      | 
|-._____.-------------|  Chairman of the University Computer Users Forum     |
| |_[_]_| University  |  DAAC Student Representitive  -  B. Computing (CA18) | 
| \==*==/ of Central  |  vax/vms -  atkinsons@topaz.ucq.edu.au               | 
|  `-.-'  Queensland  |  ultrix  -  atkinsos@jasper.ucq.edu.au         /><\  |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
From: u9044140@cs.uow.edu.au (Scot Joseph Wilson)
Subject: Re: When and where is SydCon
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 21:54:34 GMT

wes@echo.canberra.edu.au (Wes Nicholson) writes:

>PS: You are all saving your pennies for Arkenarken X, aren't you?

	No.. Why? It's in Melbourne (groan) , and I'm in N.S.W.(Kiama)

	Wes, are you and your cronies (for want of a better word) organising
a bus from Canberra/Golburn or wherever to Arkanacon X, this year?

					I wonder if I can get a discount entry?
								Scot

 P.S. Has Wes still got that atrocious (I can't spell - I'm doing a Comp. Sci.
degree for Odin's sake) RPGA jacket?
-- 
 Scot Wilson, The Man with One T.   u9044140@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au    _--_|\  
                               	  ( The University of Wollongong )  /      \ 
                                                                    \_.--. /   
             I'm the quiet type your mother warned you about...           v  
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
From: wes@echo.canberra.edu.au (Wes Nicholson)
Subject: Re: When and where is SydCon
Organization: Info Sci & Eng, University of Canberra, AUSTRALIA
Date:  7 Apr 92 00:37:39 GMT

In <roleary.702209705@arthur.nepean.uws.EDU.AU> roleary@nepean.uws.edu.au (Rocqueforte O'Leary) writes:

>Well people, the header says it all.

>Thanks,
>Rocqueforte "Rocky" O'Leary
>roleary@lancelot.nepean.uws.edu.au

	It's on the Easter weekend at Glebe High School in Sydney, not
far from Darling Harbour. Cost is $5 per session you play, plus an entry
fee of $5 (I think. It may be $10 by now for late fees)

	Wes

PS: You are all saving your pennies for Arkenarken X, aren't you?
From: atkinsons@topaz.ucq.edu.au (Shane I G Atkinson)
Newsgroups: aus.games.roleplay
Subject: UCQ Role-play....STILL....
Date: 11 Apr 92 02:04:57 AET
Organization: Chairman of the UCUF



   Mr Dean Clarke (Vice President) has asked me to ammend the titles as
follows.


   The following unanimous and unopposed elections occurred:
   --------------------------------------------------------
   Shane Atkinson     Grand Duke of Gaming           (President)
   Dean Clarke        Lord High Arch-Mage            (Vice-President)
   Heath Cordy        Keeper of the King's Treasury  (Treasurer)
   Ivan Sykes         Imperial Scribe to the Court   (Secretary)
 
     I hope this suits Dean...  :-)


-- 

      
                                                                   ._________.  
                                    I Remain,               Action |    *    |
 "Appeler moi le Capitaine                     Shane        this   |*===*===*| 
    de la lutte"                            (Duc de Phi)    Day    |    *    |
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| 
|  /~x~\  Duke of Phi |  Shane I G Atkinson - 3rd year Computing Degree      | 
|-._____.-------------|  Chairman of the University Computer Users Forum     |
| |_[_]_| University  |  DAAC Student Representitive  -  B. Computing (CA18) | 
| \==*==/ of Central  |  vax/vms -  atkinsons@topaz.ucq.edu.au               | 
|  `-.-'  Queensland  |  ultrix  -  atkinsos@jasper.ucq.edu.au         /><\  |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: hamish@cloud.pub.uu.oz.au (Hamish Moffatt)
Newsgroups: aus.games
Subject: More on Police Q.
Date: 6 Apr 92 20:24:54 GMT

Hello j_isler!

In a message posted <Monday March 30 1992>, j_isler wrote to All:

 ji> From: j_isler@fennel.cc.uwa.oz.au

 ji> I ve got through getting rid of the bimbo in the hotel and gone inside
 ji> the poker room. Whitey had been gambling for a long period now......
 ji> What next? Do I keep playing the game or ????

If I recall correctly, you play for ages. Eventually the dealer will make you an
offer of sorts..

Regards,
Hamish

 * Origin: Cloud Nine, Melbourne, Australia. cloud.pub.uu.oz.au (3:635/552)
From: 10781242@eng2.eng.monash.edu.au (LIM BOON TECK)
Newsgroups: aus.games
Subject: space quest4
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:55:28 GMT
Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Monash University

I'm stuck in the time machine for about a year now. I need the coordinate 
please help!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: aus.wanted
From: u8706558@cs.uow.edu.au (Sean Volke)
Subject: Re: Biggles books...
Keywords: biggles books
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 09:28:33 GMT

int588u@mdw036.cc.monash.edu.au (Mike Grasso) writes:

>If anyone can bear to part with their treasured Biggles 
>books, I am VERY interested in easing the blow with a
>monetary compensation. Mail me with the titles and
>prefered prices for any books you may have, and I'll
>get back to you!

>.\\ike

me too, me too
I have 71 and only need approximately 14 after >10years.

The Snail.
Newsgroups: aus.wanted
From: marvin@zelator.in-berlin.de (Marvin Stahl)
Subject: Looking for printer codes
Organization: Puplic-Access-Xenix-System
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 92 11:15:43 GMT
Keywords: printer codes

Hi everybody !
 
 I'm looking for printer-codes for a great range of
 different printers. It would be kind if you look them
 up in your printer's manual, edit the following list
 with the values of your printer and sent it back to me !
 Figures represent CHR$()/ASCII-values and letters with-
 in '' are send directly to the printer. Please watch
 the case (uppercase/lowercase) !
  
  =======================================================
  Printer name                    : TAXAN
  Printer type                    : KP810X
  -------------------------------------------------------
    Printer reset                 : 27 '@'
      Select Pica-font              : 27 'P'
	Select condensed printing     : 27 15
	  Select double-strike mode     : 27 'G'
	    Set left margin               : 27 'l' 6     (Lowercase L)
	      Set line spacing (unit 1/72") : 27 'A' 9     line spacing 9/72"
		Set bi-directional printing   : 27 'U' 0
		=======================================================
		 
		 Many thanks in advance for your help. I hope to get many
		 replies with many different printers !
		  
		    Greetings from Berlin, Germany
			   Marvin C. Stahl
			    
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 EMAIL: marvin@zelator.in-berlin.de          			 Marvin Stahl