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From: wolf@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andy Wolfsberg)
Subject: Looking for Partner to Sail Crissy on Saturday
Reply-To: wolf@hydro.stanford.edu
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: ba
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 92 21:32:37 GMT

Howdy ba-sailors  (Actually, I bet sailing 'ba' is illegal - and
painful)

I'm planing on sailing at Crissy on Saturday for my first time.
My usual sailing buddy may not be able to make it, so I'm
looking for someone else to sail with as I try out "new waters"

Anyone interested?

My level:  I have sailed at 3rd, Coyote, Sterling, and Tigers a lot this
year. I can waterstart no problem.  I make most of my flat water jibes
and miss a lot in chop and swells.  I'm a crappy jumper but am
practicing....

The high tide will be at 1:21 so the ebb oughta begin ~2:30 (?)
I had always thought that Crissy was best on an ebb, but another
friend (Ed Wilson) informed me that they sail flood and ebb up there.
I guess Kimbals East (club in Emoryville) is a better place to end up
than the Faralons if you break down.

At any rate, if you'd like to hook up, I'd sure appreciate it.

Thanks
Andy
wolf@hydro.stanford.edu
(415)723-0315

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From: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson)
Subject: Re: Sailing Right-Of-Way
Reply-To: thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Organization: Economics Department, University of Minnesota
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 14:50:05 GMT

srgxnbs@grv (Bruce Spedding) writes:

>>I like the idea of encouraging manufacturers to supply "right of way
>>rules" with equipment. However, >>> "OK" and "GIVE-WAY!" on the right
>> and left booms <<<<  doesn't make much sense to me.  I really doubt 

>It was just a suggestion, if the information was there the sailor would
>be conscious of it all the time and wouldn't necessarily have to start
>"reading the manual", anyway I think _most_ sailors would have time to
>glance down at the boom when a conflict situation arises, if there's
>not enough time to do that then there's probably not enough time to do
>anything! (ie would take  <0.5 sec).  Anyway the important thing would
>be to constantly present the information so it becomes learned unconsciously
>... what about the arms of the wetsuit, theres another place?

The bigger problem that I see with this approach is that it suggests
that most of the important "conflict" situations reduce to port vs.
starboard.  Other kinds of conflict situations arise frequently.

  On the other hand, I think that putting some (easy to
remove) labels on booms that say "port" and "starboard" would be a
good learning tool.  Hopefully by the time they fall off the sailor
won't need them any more.  These could even be packaged and/or sold
separately.  Or you could make your own with a little duct tape!
--
T. Scott Thompson              email:  thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu
Department of Economics        phone:  (612) 625-0119
University of Minnesota        fax:    (612) 624-0209
From: clem@taligent.com (Clem Wang)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing (pretty long)
Date: 4 Sep 92 00:47:31 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: taligent

In article <1992Sep1.004050.14704@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>,
btcx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
[stuff deleted]

> In article <zbgn1pk.westes@netcom.com>,
> westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) (NOT a mass. lib.) writes: 
> > I have never once met or heard of a person who landed *conscious* and
> > could not catch up to his board.  
> 
> well, now you have.  there have been several posts stating such
> and it happened to me once IN LIGHT AIR!!!  i was messing around on
> a small lake (more of a pond really) going downwind and lost my balance
> and the sail fell on the nose so it was supported out of the water
> by balancing juuuuust right on the boom.  the board took off, and
> easily drifted the 100 yards or so to shore, but it was stable enough to
> go much farther.  i know i couldn't SWIM to catch it because i landed in waist
> deep water and couldn't RUN to catch it.  i don't think it was blowing over
> 10-12.  now imagine that happening in an offshore wind.
> 

I saw a sailor once on the Upper Mystic Lake in Arlington, MA
who lost his balance and the boom landed on the stern keeping
the sail out of the water.  The board took off with the sailor (now swimmer)
far behind.  It was almost comical, but at least not life threating.

[ more stuff deleted]

> btw, the big threat with being separated from the board for a long
> period is not exhaustion but hypothermia, with or without life jacket.
> i imagine this goes double on the west coast and in the bay area.
> 
> Brian Carcich - Galileo Project - Centre for Radiophysics & Space Research
> Cornell University                     | +01(607)255-5908
> 422 Space Sciences Building            | carcich@cuspif.tn.cornell.edu
> Ithaca, NY   14853-6801                | CUSPIF::CARCICH (SPAN 6287::)
> FAX +01(607)255-9002                   | btcx@crnlvax5.BITnet
> The only things I don't like about C and Eunuchs(tm) are their proponents
> 

There are three reasons I wear a PFD.  A PFD:
1.  keeps me warm.  I have a friend who claims the coldest he gets is during
windsurfing and the warmest he gets is during skiing.

2.  keeps my torso padded in the event of a collision with a board.

3.  helps me with my waterstarts.  I can paddle around effortlessly and
I can easily lift the boom above my head without getting water up my noise.
This is really wonderful at the end of the day when I'm really tired.

Clem
clem@taligent.com
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From: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Reply-To: cbh@windsurf.scd.ucar.edu (Cris Hannu)
Organization: NCAR / Scientific Computing Division, Boulder CO.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 17:27:59 GMT

In article <hadnk+l.westes@netcom.com>, westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) writes:
> come close to hitting my head very hard.  In 4.0 conditions or smaller,
> you are simply a moron to not wear a helmet (IMHO).
> 
  Should we pass this along to Robby Naish and company ? >:]

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From: rogerc@ssd.intel.com (Roger Christal)
Subject: Re: Discount on Northwave Sails...
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Distribution: rec.windsurfing
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 19:42:33 GMT

In article <WBA.92Aug27111041@netcom.Netcom.COM> wba@netcom.Netcom.COM (William Ayer) writes:
>
>Folks,
>
>    The Gorge sailmaker Northwave is offering discounts of up to 25%
>on orders of 4 or more custom sails.

I was wondering when the "Most Expensive Line Of Windsurfing Sails"
would be going on sail at *reasonable* prices.  <;^)

But seriously folks, Blake Richards (Northwave owner) *artificially*
raised his prices this year because he couldn't handle the volume of
business he was getting.  A friend ordered a sail in March and was
told it would be 8 weeks before it was finished!  What is the result
of raising prices?  His best year ever!


>Northwave
>---------
> - custom (they build your sails in the colors you choose)
Agreed.
> - great power and handling
Agreed.
> - built in the USA with the best materials
Agreed.
> - incredible durability
Agreed.
> - lifetime guarantee on materials and workmanship
DISAGREE!

There is no guarantee on battens (unless you break one soon after
purchasing the sail).  In addition, materials are free, labor is not.
However, the labor charge is something like 60% of their normal
charge.

These comments are based on personal knowledge.  I purchased six new
Northwaves in early 91.  If I ever replace these sails, it will be
with Northwaves, as long as the price is reasonable.

-- 

>>=- Roger Christal
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Organization: Brandeis University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 20:13:00 GMT

I'm a parent also, so I have to keep in mind that the insurance policy
is not to be cashed in casually.  However, I never use any flotation
except for my drysuit.  Its enough so that staying afloat is trivial.
Occasionally I wear a helmet.

I also swim a lot, not just while windsurfing so I'm comfortable with
the thought of swimming in from wherever I've sailed to.  I'm not sure
this is true of all sailors.  I would make this a requirement for my
son before he sails.

-andy


Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: joel@ssd.intel.com (Joel Clark)
Subject: Re: Lifejackets while windsurfing
Organization: Supercomputer Systems Division, Intel Corp.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:26:18 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.210447.23626@am.dsir.govt.nz> srgxnbs@grv writes:
>In article <thompson.714847579@daphne.socsci.umn.edu>, thompson@atlas.socsci.umn.edu (T. Scott Thompson) writes:
>>EPLUS17@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard Engelbrecht-Wiggans) writes:
>>
>>I don't find the arguments that wetsuit+harness = enough flotation to
>>be true for me.  I got bonked on the head once by another guy's mast.
>                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>I was pretty glad I had a real PFD on then.  Freak accidents do happen
>>and a PFD might save your life.
>>
>I nearly always wear a helmet, it provides thermal protection, physical
>protection and IMHO is more comfortable than a neoprene hood. With a helmet
>on the arguement for the need for a PFD in case you are knocked unconsious
>becomes less important. 

From the exception to every rule department:
	I still remember the guy sailing near Santa Cruz California who
	bailed out of a jump, landed face down, and then got hit on the 
	back of the neck by the board.  Even though he was wearing a helmet
	he was knock unconscious.  Fortunately someone noticed him staying
	down and several people got his heart started again WHILE they
	paddled him in on a board. (He had been breathing water for awhile
	before they got to him)

joel clark
>
>Bruce
>
>
>Bruce Spedding
>Materials Science and Performance
>Industrial Research Ltd,     Fax: +64-4-569-0132
>P.O.Box 31310,              Work: +64-4-569-0485
>Lower Hutt,  ( NZST : +12 ) Home: +64-4-562-8522
>New Zealand.  Internet: srgxnbs@grv.grace.cri.nz
From: colas@capa.inria.fr (Colas Nahaboo)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: North Booms
Date: 2 Sep 92 15:07:02 GMT
Organization: Koala Project, Bull Research France

In article <BtxG37.92E@vcd.hp.com>, carlt@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (carl
thomsen) writes:
|> When I bought the replacement front-end the salesman claimed that North had
|> made
|> an improvement in the design (interior ribs) to prevent the failure.

I have read this too in north documentation... let's wait (but my north boom is
new)

PS: were they heavy duty booms? 

PS: I just bought the new "Sigma" wave sails from North. They are monofilm, and
I was a bit apprehensive of monofilm for waves, but the construction seemed
VERY good (monofilm & mylar overlapping on 10 cm, no monofilm under the boom)
and they were cheap... about 30% less than regular sails. I'll post a message
to report how they handle once we get some decent wind and waves here...

-- 
Colas Nahaboo, colas@sa.inria.fr, Bull Research Koala proj. Wool&Gwm Architect
Pho:(33) 93.65.77.70(.66 Fax), INRIA, B.P.93 - 06902 Sophia Antipolis, FRANCE.
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: price@helios.unl.edu (Chad  Price)
Subject: Re: Need more advise
Organization: University of Nebraska - Lincoln
Date: 26 Aug 92 13:10:51 GMT

jmarin@hobbes (Jose A. Marin) writes:

>From my previous message:
>> I'm planning on buying a windsurfer and I found a used Fanatica Viper  
>> (11'2") with two sails:  a Fanatica 6.2 and an Obrien 4.2.  It also > >  
>> comes with the all the other necessary equipment (boom, etc.) 
>> They are all in pretty good shape and its offered for $600. 
>> Is this a good price?

>I mispelled the brand of the board.  It's actually a Fanatic (not  
>Fanatica).  I don't the year but it can't be more that two years old.  I  
>don't know what type of mast or boom it has but the mastfoot is also from  
>Fanatic.  I am a beginner (no waterstarts, rusty jibes) and this is my  
>first board.  I know I can handle a 6.2 sail but the reason I'm getting a  
>4.2 is because my wife will be using the board and I know she cannot  
>handle a 6.2 sail.  From what I've heard the range of the two sails is too  
>wide and the 4.2 is too small.  I am 5'6" and weight 165 lbs.  The wind  
>here ranges from 5-25 knots.


I tried to email a response. if Jose would send me a usable email address, I will
resend it.

--
chad
price@helios.unl.edu
cprice@molecular.unmc.edu
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From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)
Subject: Re: Helmet Foam
Organization: Brandeis University
Distribution: usa
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:24:57 GMT

In article <1992Sep3.184702.3851@leland.Stanford.EDU> janusz@leland.Stanford.EDU (Janusz Mrozek) writes:
>I'm a little disturbed to see the suggestions from Bruce Spedding and Ken
>Berger for removing the liner from a helmet so that it fits over a hood.

Most removable foam padding is solely to assure a fit.  The soft
velcroed stuff does absolutely nothing for impact, but it is there to
make sure that the helmet stays on the right place on your head.  On
vehicle type helmets (motorcycle, bicycle) the energy is absorbed by
the hard styrofoam.  However, for mountaineering and construction, the
needs are mostly to deflect point blows rather than absorb the kinetic
energy of the head, thus they have light suspensions and a hard shell.
I'm not sure where canoeing helmets fits in this taxonomy.  I think
that windsurfing helmets fall more in the category of
mountaineering/construction helmets - mostly you're afraid of the mast
(or rarely, the board) coming down on your head.  For this reason, be
careful using the all styrofoam bicycling helmets for windsurfing -
they're not as good for point impacts.

With a neoprene hood on, I believe that a bare shell is sufficient for
point impacts (e.g. a 1" nut from 10 stories).  If the neoprene is
less than 2mm, then some styrofoam is probable needed.

-andy
From: william@castle.ed.ac.uk (William Warburton)
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
Subject: Re: F2 Comet Slalom Question
Date: 3 Sep 92 08:12:02 GMT
Reply-To: W.Warburton@ed.ac.uk
Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service

In article <1992Sep2.200622.20376@adobe.com>, mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang) writes:

|> 	... If you look at the way the board is made, there is a seam
|> running all the way around the edges on the board where the top and
|> bottom halves were pressed together. Unfortunately, it is not too
|> difficult to split that seam, which I managed to do by bumping the
|> tail of the board into a metal post sticking into the water (and I
|> didn't bump it all that hard).

 I have (personally) seen several F2 boards with split rails- was this
a problem they have now solved, I wonder?

	W.
--
VitSea 292, Tiga Slalom, Baxter 270 wave and half a Fanatic Bee,
6.2 Topsail 5.1/4.6 Tushinghams 4.2 sShokwave & half a Gaastra 3.2 :-)
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Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert Poortinga)
Subject: Re: Aruba Pro-Am & Killer Loop on TV
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 15:15:07 GMT

In article <BtJzvI.FsA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> I write:

>The Aruba Pro-Am will be broadcast on Prime Sports Network tonight (8/25/92)
>at 8:00 pm EDT.

Sorry, gang!  Prime Sports give me bogus info.  It was on 8/25/92 at 12:00
noon.  It will be shown again tonight Wednesday 8/26/92 at 8:00 pm EDT.

The Killer Loop Classic will also be on tonight (8/26/92) at 10:30 pm EDT.

Don't forget to set your VCRs!

Bob Poortinga  (6'0", 180 lbs)      It's a hard wind that's gonna blow...
(poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu)      ... R. Zimmerman
[O'Brien 8'8", Bic Hard Rock 9'3", O'Brien GS Race 12', North & Waddell quiver]
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: jaime@netcom.com (Jaime Cordera)
Subject: Re: Conditions in Cancun in October
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 02:01:07 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Aug20.164103.3947@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> krueger@ssd.comm.mot.com writes:
>I hear a lot about Cancun as a vacation paradise, but how is the windsurfing
>there ?  I think I'll be going there in October.  Any recommendations on 
>hotels and places that rent equipment ?  I'd like to rent from a place with
>modern (91 or 92) shortboards and sails.  Thanks.
>
>Kevin
>krueger@ssd.comm.mot.com

I've been to the Vela center in Cancun. It's great. They are outside of town
and so get more wind than the "hotel zone" where more of the hotels and the
resort-type places are. I have heard that Club Med also offers some windsurfing,
but I'm under the impression that their equipment is generally old longboards.

Vela offers current (or even next)model year equipment: At Cancun, they used
to feature Mistral(ugh) and Seatrend. 

In terms of wind, it is definitely a giant slalom kind of place. The wind is
moderate, although they do get the occasional 25+ "El Norte" when the storms
come through. It's a great place to learn waterstarts or even start windsurfing,
so a non-windsurfing partner can get a (warm water) intro to the sport.

The  sailing season is I believe, unfortunately, December thru March. Call
Vela at their 800 number to check equipment and season. Keep in mind they may
have non-wind related reasons for having a shorter season, such as insufficient
number of clients, so you may be in luck.

I won't go into all the stuff to do there, but check out the snorkeling and/or
scuba diving at Isla Mujeres (just off Cancun: get there by ferry) or the many
Mexican ruins in the area. 

Have a good time.

Jaime
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: janusz@leland.Stanford.EDU (Janusz Mrozek)
Subject: Helmet Foam
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 18:47:02 GMT

I'm a little disturbed to see the suggestions from Bruce Spedding and Ken
Berger for removing the liner from a helmet so that it fits over a hood.

A good helmet is designed so that all of its pieces work together.  The foam
serves to absorb impact by compression, and helps to distribute the impact 
force around more of the skull.  I think you will lose much of the helmet's
effectiveness if you pull out the foam; I don't think the shell can do the
job by itself.  

Think of the difference between a running shoe and a dress shoe.  The heel of
the dress shoe is hard and protects the heel of the foot somewhat, but I sure
wouldn't run three miles in a pair.

The loss of the foam may be partially offset by the thickness of the hood, but
I still think a great deal of impact absorptive capability is lost.

I'm not a helmet designer, just someone with some doubts.

Janusz Mrozek
janusz@leland.stanford.edu

Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Robert Poortinga)
Subject: Aruba Pro-Am & Killer Loop on TV
Organization: Indiana University
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 19:09:18 GMT

(I got this info just in time to post it.)

The Aruba Pro-Am will be broadcast on Prime Sports Network tonight (8/25/92)
at 8:00 pm EDT.

The Killer Loop Classic will be broadcast on Prime Sports Network on
Thursday 8/26/92 at 10:30 pm EDT.  It will be re-broadcast on 8/29/92 at
1:00 am EDT.

Check local listings for times in your area.

Enjoy!

Bob Poortinga  (6'0", 180 lbs)      It's a hard wind that's gonna blow...
(poorting@silver.ucs.indiana.edu)      ... R. Zimmerman
[O'Brien 8'8", Bic Hard Rock 9'3", O'Brien GS Race 12', North & Waddell quiver]
Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
From: gboates@admin.acadiau.ca (GARY BOATES)
Subject: Re: Equipment Maintenance
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 13:11:36 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.074220.12707@nntp.hut.fi> jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) writes:
>Path: dragon.acadiau.ca!nstn.ns.ca!morgan.ucs.mun.ca!csd.unb.ca!torn!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru.mt.luth.se!lunic!sunic!news.funet.fi!funic!nntp.hut.fi!vipunen.hut.fi!jmunkki
>From: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
>Newsgroups: rec.windsurfing
>Subject: Re: Equipment Maintenance
>Message-ID: <1992Aug26.074220.12707@nntp.hut.fi>
>Date: 26 Aug 92 07:42:20 GMT
>References: <6730@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM>
>Sender: usenet@nntp.hut.fi (Usenet pseudouser id)
>Reply-To: jmunkki@vipunen.hut.fi (Juri Munkki)
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>Nntp-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi
>In article <6730@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> wiltonh@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Wilton G Hart) writes:
>>Do all high wind sailors have this type of problems?  If I had to guess on
>>the list of high maintenance items that are due to wear not abuse it would be
>>as follows:  
>>
>>    1.  Harness lines
>
>Replace these once a year or less. A very tightly fitting plastic tube will
>keep the lines in good shape for a long time. This depends on your sailing
>style. Some people replace the lines several times per year.
>
>>    2.  Mastbase
>
>It's wise to replace the universal joint every year even if it doesn't seem
>necessary. I also had to replace the star plate of my Tiga due to somewhat
>similar wear as yours.
>
>>    3.  Mastbase extension
>
>Never had problems with these. I mostly don't use variable extensions, so
>maybe that's why.
>
>>    4.  Boom grip
>
>If you are careful, the grip will not suffer much.
>
>>    5.  Wetsuit repair
>
>I have to do this occasionally (a few times per year), but it's usually
>due to coming in contact with the blade fin of my board. At some point,
>the neoprene will become fragile and it's no longer worth it to repair
>the suit. I'll have to replace my wetsuit for next year.
>
>>    6.  Sail stitching repair
>
>Not necessary, unless you catapult on the sail and go through it. This
>has never happened to me, but it's quite common with some others. I guess
>it depends on your sailing style.
>
>-- 
>  Juri Munkki					       Windsurf: fast sailing
> jmunkki@hut.fi					      Macintosh: fast software


I use WINDSURFING HAWAII GORILLA mast base/foot and they have NEVER let me 
down. (oldest is 1988) I sail 5.0 and below (largest sail is 5.4 race and I 
hate rigging it).I've seen North, Nautix, NP, Chinook all FAIL, some 
catastrophically - ruining decks, shooting boards from under the riders 
etc.  BUY THE BEST - THE PROVEN BEST. I have three complete systems and 
this of course spreads out the wear.