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From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Subject: Everybody wants an alt.* group...(was Re: Lessa's 'leaning')
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 23:26:49 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

In article <1992Oct7.121653.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> rtsumn01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct7.020419.24100@tamsun.tamu.edu>, di@stat.tamu.edu (Di Davies) writes:
>> While I'm here and actually typing without mistakes, what do yall think
>> about an alt.fan.anne?  I'm dying to discuss Crystal Line...
>
>It could be a possibility. My first thought is "there wouldn't be enough
>traffic to justify it" but how much traffic is there in something like
>"alt.gorets"? Occasionally someone does crop up here with a question about one
>of the other books. 

You could always use rec.arts.sf.written, you know.  Of course, you'd
have to put up with the snobs who think that all of McCaffrey's stuff
is pablum along with Eddings and Anthony, but they're nowhere near as
nasty as the recent flamewar. ;-)

-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  quirk@pioneer.unm.edu
 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: sri4495@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: RE: A BAD Time (To Knock it Off) Story.
Reply-To: sri4495@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:08:01 GMT

All those in favor of seeing the morons who keep dredgeing this
argument (or should I say, not-so-enlightened debate which has
degraded to the level of a flame war) up from the slimy gutter
(which it was thrown into for a purpose) gagged with used sweat-socks,
say `AYE!'

AAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Against?

(from a distince)
(faintly)
nay...

I think the ayes have it.
Seriously, if you must debate each other, go ahead.  Just DON'T DO IT
HERE!  I'm sure that alt.flame is more than willing to accomadate you.
In the words of Bartles and James, "Thank you for your support."
--
Life is like a REALLY BIIIG rutabaga./-----\   Shawn, the very,very,very,VERY
I think.                        |    | * * |   eclectic. And God of The Funky
At least, it tastes like one.  -+-   | \_/ |   Hat. And the weirdo wannabe.
Especially with yogurt on top.  |    \_____/   SRI4495@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Except for strawberry.          | (3:16 of the NT)
From: swithing@csws15.ic.sunysb.edu (Scott Withington)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Date: 12 Oct 92 18:24:00 GMT
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

if you've seen the ad on tv where the statue of a lion comes to life and chases
a frisbee.  you can see how realistic the computer animation of dragons could
be.

-Scott, the amigavangelist
From: phil@eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Lessa's 'leaning'
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:40:29 GMT
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University

In article <1992Oct7.020419.24100@tamsun.tamu.edu>, di@stat.tamu.edu (Di Davies) writes:
|> Only in the first book was mention ever made of this talent of Lessa's.

I believe that is incorrect.  I remember in Dragonquest, at Jaxom's
impression, during the discussion of what to do with Jaxom and Ruth,
that Lessa was "leaning" on certain individuals involved in the 
conversation.  Now it's been awhile since I last read the books, but
I believe this is accurate.

|> can see the omission with the generation after Lessa, but it was such an
|> interesting concept that I wish it had been explored further.

I agree.  It seems to be another one of AM's unelaborated ideas.  One
possible way of explaining this is that dragonriders are more susceptible
to mental interference, and since Lessa is mostly with dragonriders, she
can't really use her "leaning" abilities much.  What I recall of the 
incident I mentioned above is that she was "leaning" on one or two lord
holders (i.e.: NOT dragonmen).

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: debbie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Debbie Fishburn)
Subject: Re: Recipe for Bubbly Pies
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 23:24:29 GMT

-- 
*****************************************************************************
                   
                 From: Debbie Fishburn
		       debbie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au                
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu (James H. Kiley)
Subject: Re: All The Weyrs of Pern (SPOILERS)
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:00:52 GMT


Yah, yah.  Spoiler alert.

In article <mumble>, pjh@eng.cam.ac.uk (Philippa Hogben) writes:
|> OK. I have been reading ATWOP and I have a question. Apologies if anybody is 
|> fed up with this but i don't remember any discussion from before I read the 
|> book.) AIVAS mentions several times that the bridge of the Yokohama is at a 
|> vacuum so how the HELL can Ruth and Farli survive up there with no ill effects?
|> I can _accept_ the lack of need for oxygen (i.e. they store sufficient for 
|> ~10mins usage in their tissues) even if I believe it is a bit of 
|> pseudo-scientific handwaving on the part of AIVAS but I do not believe that 
|> they would be unaffected by the vacuum. [I gather that several dragons also go 
|> outside the spacecraft without protection. Needless to say, when I read this 
|> bit, disbelief will be suspended as high as the Dawn Sisters.]


	Okay, you may be suffering from what I like to call the 'Outland 
syndrome', from that barely-okay Sean Connery movie of several years back, 
wherein it is shown to us that a person unprotected in a vacuum will simply 
explode.  This isn't true for a person (though I don't believe it's happened 
to any yet, it has happened quite by accident to a Soviet space animal, can't 
remember the species).  
	Your bodily fluids *will* begin to boil away, mostly because of the lack 
of a perfect seal in your skin, but you won't explode, and if your skin were 
tougher, you could last still longer--hence the usefulness of a space suit.
	And dragons are even tougher than peoples, so I can accept the vacuum
thang from Anne without flipping out.  Of course, AtWoP makes me nearly ill as
it is, but that's another story...


	Jim Kiley, Astronomer Wannabe
	jkiley@andy.bgsu.edu
	Mertonn, Mastertanner@SouConMUSH
	(soucon.cygnus.com 4201)
From: russ@math.okstate.edu (Horatio "Random" Hellpop)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: * IMPORTANT INFORMATION * - UseNet Pern fiction
Date: 9 Oct 92 13:51:29 GMT
Organization: Aggie? What precisely is an Aggie?

In <718559525snx@keris.demon.co.uk> chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton) writes:


>                       *** IMPORTANT MESSAGE ***
>                       Rules about Pern Fiction
...
>I have been informed that at least one of the MU*s did get Anne's
>permission - that's fine.  I would suggest to any who do *not* have her
>permission (for them, individually, not 'well, she said someone else can
>so that covers me') that they seek to contact her if they wish to stay
>within the law.  If anyone wants to contact Anne, I can pass on the
>messages.  If they want instead to 'do their own thing' and take the
>risk, fine - think of it as evolution in action...

FYI:

The Pern that solicited (and received) direct permission from Ms. McCaffrey
was PernMUSH.

-D'vin
Fort Weyrleader

-- 
---------------------===Comedy!  Sudden, violent comedy!===--------------------
Russ Smith -- russ@math.okstate.edu  |  "This is the Nineties, Bubba, and
  Don Random of the "Random Gang"    |   there is no such thing as Paranoia.
What a pinhead! Does he not fear us? |   It's all true." -- Hunter S Thompson
From: debbie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Debbie Fishburn)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Lessa's 'leaning'
Date: 12 Oct 92 22:18:54 GMT
Organization: Monash University General Access Unix
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Di Davies (di@stat.tamu.edu) wrote:
: Don't know if this will post, but here goes.....
: 
: Only in the first book was mention ever made of this talent of Lessa's.
: I got the impression that it was something that people of Ruathan blood
: have.  But then it was never explored more, like with F'lessan, Jaxom,
: or Alessan, or... who else?  It's been too long since a reread...  Actually,
: if 'leaning' is only a full-blooded Ruathan's capability, then I guess I
: can see the omission with the generation after Lessa, but it was such an
: interesting concept that I wish it had been explored further.  Has this
: topic been discussed before?  I've been a read-only-wimp for a while now,
: and haven't seen it yet.  The plumbing discussion reminded me of the 'lean-
: ing' business.
: 
: As far as Moreta goes, she had to die.  But nothing made me more teary-eyed
: than Robinton's death, even though I guessed it even before I read the 
: book.  
: 
: And no movie.  Like someone else said, it'll destroy all my own images of
: Pern.  DLG and PoP disillusioned me already.  But if they do make it, I'll
: be the first in line with my ten bucks out...
: 
: While I'm here and actually typing without mistakes, what do yall think
: about an alt.fan.anne?  I'm dying to discuss Crystal Line...
: 
: -di
: di@stat.tamu.edu
: Love is a nose, but you'd better not pick it.
: 
-- 
*****************************************************************************
                   
                 From: Debbie Fishburn
		       debbie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au                
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: venkman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mezo)
Subject: Re: Film possibility???
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1992 20:49:18 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

I have to disagree with my WeyrLeader and agree with the nomination of
Peter O'toole for the part.

O'toole has defined a range of characters greater than any Connery has and
He does the drunk routine marvelously well. His amiablity seems much more
urbane than does Connery's who is equally as amiable but comes off as more
gruff rural than cultured sophisticate.

I think O'tooles skill would be in the mimicry that Robinton was written to
have possessed. As much as I do like Connery, he is allways distinguishable
as Sean Connery...whereas O'toole well He looks the same, sounds similar but
is totally different character in each part he plays.

To tell the truth though I would just Like to see the movie, and no matter
who gets the parts there will be all sorts of debate here over whether or not
so and so was appropriate for <Insert favorite character name here.>.

Someone mentioned Anime...I am a great fan of the style but I do agree The
flavour of Pern would be best served by Live actors...The story of Pern is
one of Humanity...and as much as i like Anime...its not _good_ cinema.

How about some other Casting though.... =)

Brian Blessed as Fandarel the MasterSmith (Blessed was Voltan in Flash Gorden,
the uncle of Henry the Vth in Branagh's Hank V and many other roles)

Rowan Atchkinson would make an Awesome Wansor (Rowan is the Black Adder)

The Baldwin brothers (Well two of them at least) would make Good F'lar and
F'nors...

Any more? I want to see what you all think...About the others. (Please...
no Kevin Costners as F'lar and Mary-Elizabeth Mastrantonio as Lessa though. =))

They allready did a number on RobinHood.

Th'ron rider of Wulfrith

Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: msjle@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Joi L. Ellis)
Subject: Re: Lessa's 'leaning'
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1992 14:18:06 GMT

debbie@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Debbie Fishburn) writes:

>Di Davies (di@stat.tamu.edu) wrote:
>: Don't know if this will post, but here goes.....
>: 
>: Only in the first book was mention ever made of this talent of Lessa's.

Actually, that's not correct.  In the second book, AM is quite specific
that Lessa deliberately leans on the Lord Holders during their debate on
young Lord Jaxom's fate after he has just impressed Ruth.  Over the
course of 2 or 3 pages, Lessa leans numerous times, hoping to get any
two of the Lords to agree with each other that Jaxom should go back to
Ruautha.

-- 
Joi Ellis                      msjle@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
Student Residential Programs   Western Illinois University
From: JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: Movie castings
Date: 13 Oct 92 20:05:33 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Oct12.175018.3933@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, eow9232@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
says:

>How 'bout Peter Davison as Robinton?  I like his lightness and his general
>I-don't-flaunt-my-authority attitude.  I don't know if he can sing, though
>:-)

>Ned.

I would say no to Davison...not because I don't think he's a good actor...(I am
a fan), not because I think he can't do weird things with his voice (see him as
The Dish of the Day in the _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ tv series...I
couldn't tell it was him even after I went back and specifically listened for
his voice), but for two reasons...
1)  He's too young.
2)  He's too bald.  Yup, Peter has been losing his hair steadily since the days
      of _Doctor Who_ and unless you got him a perfect wig, no way.

As for singing...I think he can, but the best singer of the Doctors is (IMHO)
Colin Baker...but I just can't see him doing Robinton (tho' he *is* about the
right age and he *is* going gray >:-) )

Cheers, everyone.
Jean aka Chainsaw the .sig-less

*** The idea is to have a better day than I'm having. -- Me. ***
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: chris@keris.demon.co.uk (Chris Croughton)
Subject: Film possibility??? 
Distribution: world
Organization: Keristor Systems
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 10:39:30 +0000


In article <92281.163325JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu> JAP8@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>Since, I'm the idiot who suggested Sean Connery

Yes, you were - and now you have to live with the shame <g>...

> .  .  .  I suppose I'll have to defend him.  I chose Connery not only
>'cos I like him as an actor, I've seen enough of his stuff to know he
>can change the accent of his voice...ever see Highlander, Red October,
>and the James Bond movies?  He's got a different accent each time.  Of
>course there's going to be some trace of Scottish in his accent, but if
>the majority of his accent is not his natural accent, then I can live
>with it...

IMO Connery still has too much of a 'regional' accent.  As I see it,
Robinton speaks the Pernese equivalent of "BBC Received Pronounciation".
As far as I know there is no American 'standard' pronounciation
equivalent to this - can someone correct me on this? - whereas the 'BRP'
is accepted world-wide as a 'standard' English accent.  Finding someone
with the correct voice *and* build / 'presence' could be a problem.
Remember that Robinton's voice is resonant compared to Fandarel's, whose
voice was a 'light baritone' in comparison.

You also need someone who can hold their drink well <g>...

>          BTW, I think the pic of Petiron in PoP looked more like my
>mindimage of Robinton than the actual pic, but oh well...can't win 'em
>all, I s'pose.  :-)

Well, when Annie say that picture of Robinton (long before the book
'People of Pern' was even thought of) she immediately said "*that* is
Robinton" and bought the original.  And she wrote the books <g>...

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From: retief@iastate.edu (Jim Miller)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: More McCaffrey alt.fan.* (Re: Crystal Line)
Date: 16 Oct 92 05:25:53 GMT
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA

In <alix.719081669@pv6f18.vincent.iastate.edu> alix@iastate.edu (L.A. Melloy) writes:

)I've been hearing references to it and would like it confirmed some how:
)_IS_ there an alt.fan.mccaffrey group?  I don't think I can subscribe to it
)here, if so.
)Leigh Ann Melloy

There's no other Mccaffrey group that I know of and in my opinion one
seems to be enough.  Unlike some purists I don't care if non-pern
works are mentioned here and the traffic's pretty moderate anyway.

This isn't even worth $.02, call it my 0.01%. 8-)

-- 
Jim Miller <retief@iastate.edu>  IowaStateUniversity.  ComS Jr.
#include <multipagefunnyquote.h>
From: mbax0019@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: help muds
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:19:33 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I'm looking for the pern mud addresses, could someone please send them to me,
along with anyspecial instructions, It would be most appreciated.

              J'me Harper
           Harperj@ash.msvu.ca
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Re: A public apology (And stuff about ATWOP in pback.)
From: ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu
Date: 7 Oct 92 02:10:14 -0700

In article <1asv83INNhs@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, garvey@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu 
(Heather Garvey) writes:
> ppugliese@pimacc.pima.edu writes:
>> 
>>I then proposed that a riders sexual preferences could possibly influence
>>his reaction to his dragons mating "fever" thereby allowing for alterna-
>>tive behavior.
>>
>>At this point more than one person posted examples of gold/bronze mating
>>in which the riders always engaged in sex with each other.
>>
>>I rejected these statements as invalid because they riders in these cases
>>did not have their sexual-preferences (gender-wise) violated.
> 
> 	Sexual preference is no more a controlling factor than one's
> morals and upbringing, one would think. And yet, despite her
> heterosexuality, Brekke was quite sure that she would more likely
> LOSE HER QUEEN than have sex with a man not F'nor. And furthermore,
> substituing F'nor for the other dragon's rider was not an option.
> Otherwise, they would have just done so, rather than risk the loss
> of Wirenth because of something that is just custom. 
> 	If you want to say that sex is not required for green/anything
> pairings, that's fine. But gold/anything pairings require sex; not only
> that, but they require sex with the other dragon's rider. It is pretty
> explicitly written out. And yes, they didn't say that if Brekke 
> was bi- or homosexual, she could get away with a substitute.
> 
> --

The example of Brekke also illustrates how heavily a rider's attitudes
can potentially influence their dragon. One thing should be noted however 
& that is that AM chose not to "play out this hand" in the way it seemed 
headed. So we'll never really know what would've happened if she hadn't in-
troduced the wildcard of another Gold dragon ready to mate. The way the sit-
uation was ultimately played out it's debatable whether *any* other gold 
rider could've handled things much better. With Kylara not excercising any 
control at all over Prideth it seems likely to me that a tragedy was bound 
to happen in any case. 


PHIL
From: naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: New book listings
Date: 12 Oct 92 15:06:30 -0500
Organization: Carnegie Mellon Computer Club

From the Waldenbooks SF&F news&reviews:

For fans of Anne McCaffrey

Crystal Line
Del Rey. ISBN 0345379845
Publishers Price: $20.00 (US) (hardback)
Available early October.

"Killashandra Ree returns in Crystal Line, the
sequel to the blckbuster Killashandra. Having
become a crystal singer, she knows she faces an
increasing loss of memory. But will her heart
remember what her mind forgets."

Limited number of copies available with autographed book
plate for same price through "800" number.


All the Weyrs of Pern
Del Rey. ISBN 0345368932
Publishers Price: $5.99(US)
Available early November

"All the Weyrs of Pern is now in paperback!
When the people of Pern uncover an
ancient artificial intelligence, they learn
there is a chance that they could annihilate
Thread once and for all."


The Dragonlover's Guide to Pern
by Jody Lynn Nye with Anne McCaffrey
Del Rey, ISBN 0345379462
Publisers's Price $12.95
Available early November

"A companion to the Dragonrider novels, The
Dragonlover's Guide to Pern sheds light on
one of the most beloved worlds ever invented
in science fiction. Incredible drawings depict
the people and dragons of Pern and the ever-
dreaded Thread."
[This has been out for a while though...]


Randy Finder
(naraht@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu)

Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: quirk@pioneer.unm.edu (Gym Z. Quirk)
Subject: Re: Pern Board Game
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 92 23:32:19 GMT
Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorow Afternoon

In article <5100@calmasd.Prime.COM> mas@calmasd.Prime.COM (Marisa SorBello) writes:
>Has anyone played the Pern board game?  I'm curious to know what
>the age level is and if it's an entertaining game before I shell
>out the bucks.

I bought the first edition back in '84 or so but never had a chance to
play it all that much.  (It was worth it at the time for the portrait
cards and the article on threadfighting.)  The complexity level is
about on the par with Monopoly.  My guess is that it would be best
played with four or more players, since that allows for more
diplomacy.

The Solitare game can be depressing, though.  Many is the time I've
had to give up completely on Ista Island (let it succumb to burrows)
becuase I had my hands full just keeping the rest of the continent
thread-free.

Sorry I can't give a more definitive review.

>-- Marisa

-- 
Capt. Gym Z. Quirk  (Known to some as Taki Kogoma)  quirk@pioneer.unm.edu
 I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to
                          what I have now...
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
From: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk (Peter Boulter)
Subject: Re: AtWoP - paperback?
Reply-To: starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1992 22:06:54 +0000


In article <1992Oct7.230346.7530@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, debbie@yoyo.cc.monas-
h.edu.au (Debbie Fishburn) writes:

>: Isn't this a sort of stupid question to post under world
>: distribution ??

In some ways, yes.  But then it's interesting to know what's available
in other countries that way you know what to look out for in those
book shops that specialise in imported books.

Peter.



-------------------------------------------| A specialist is someone
 *   *    Peter Boulter                    | who knows more and more
  ***     ---------------------------------| about less and less.
 *   *    starhunter@cix.compulink.co.uk   | Until he ends up knowing
-------------------------------------------| everything about nothing.
From: jmars@mta.ca (Jennifer K. Mars)
Newsgroups: alt.fan.pern
Subject: Crystal Line
Date: 13 Oct 92 18:20:05 GMT
Reply-To: jmars@mta.ca
Organization: Mount Allison U, Sackville, N.B. Canada

Well, this isn't alt.fan.mccafrey but I'm going to respond anyway
'cause I haven't caused enough trouble today. In random hypocracy,
I suggest you flame me via email. :-)

Crystal Line is (I'll attempt not to spoil things too badly), IMHO,
too sweet and the deus ex machina of the junk bugs me. (There, if
you've read it that should make sense and if not you should be totally
confused.)  If she'd followed the story which I have still not yet
found but have read about, "Killashandra - Coda and Finale" it
would have been a stronger novel and nicely rounded out a Killashandra
trilogy. (_Evidently_ <---bitter tone of voice - Killashandra dies
a memoriless, grumpy mean old Crystal Singer, but knowing her, 
probably with flair.)  It's the happy ending syndrome - did anyone
other tham myself find it vaguely annoying that everyone paired
off so well in All the Weyrs and had a bizillion little kids
running around?

'Course I was the one who threw the fit over the death scene in
All the Weyrs and ruined people's days 'cause of Moreta. :-)

But then, McCaffrey's books are generally happy, which is why we _like_
them, I guess.  But anyway, my recommendation: wait for the paperback
and enjoy Killashandra's dynamic personality in the first part
before she becomes meek and mild. And don't expect to see the meek
and mild part in her PernMUSH namesake. :)

					-Shandra

"They broke up for religious differences... she thought she was God
and he disagreed."