From: wayne@tse.uucp (Wayne Hines)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american
Subject: Re: Johns vs. Carpenter
Date: 27 Aug 92 19:55:56 GMT
Organization: Toronto Stock Exchange

In article <weav9mG00Uh_83XHl5@andrew.cmu.edu> dc4l+@andrew.cmu.edu (Dean Calloway) writes:
>Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.african.american: 19-Aug-92 Johns vs.
>Carpenter by Gabrielle Daniels@forsyt 
>> in such a fashion that has nothing to do with courtship, seduction,
>> or anything remotely connected with love or genuine attraction.  Its
>> as though Gwens sexuality is some kind of freak trophy for white
>> guys to become men.  Rednecks and educated white guys alike:  they
>> would cut off her head to mess with her body.  They dont want to see
>> that black women have eyes, or a mind.  Thats a phony standard for
>> masculinity, just like brothers who think theyre not men until
>> theyve had a white woman.  This mindset is straight outta the
>> plantation...which is why many black women dont even want to think
>> about even flirting with a white guy.  As my mother and grandmother
>> indicated to me, Theyre nasty.  And Im sure Im not alone in how Ive
>> been inculcated with that warning.  Many white guys think that black
>> women are just casual, accessible recreation; they can just hike up
>> their pants and go about their business.  Forget taking her home to
>> Mom.  Hes just doing his dirt on her.  Sounds wiping a dick with a
>> towel.  Thats why most black women will stick like glue to the
>> brothers REGARDLESS.
>
>Uh,... I may be a little late to get involved in this tete a tete
>but,...uh... are you aware that this is pretty much how a great number
>of young men (for lack of a better term) feel about women today,
>regardless of color?
>
>"Do me baby" (BBD), Ootchie Cootchie (Mc Brains), "Don't bite it"
>(NWA)... all black artists.
>
>Lest you think that such banter is confined solely to the ravings of
>questionably talented "musicians," I would advise you to sit in on any
>group of brothers in the twenty-something range and listen.  The
>conversation often drifts to women and some very UNFLATTERING views
>concerning them.  
>
>The point?  Sexism is by no means confined to white males... in fact, I
>know several brothers whose behavior is nothing short of... well, YOU
>fill in the blank.
>
>While sexism and comments from white males (conjuring up images of the
>slave owner's son who would rape as he pleased and the black woman as a
>seductive "Jezebel" may seem more offensive, I fail to see why a Black
>woman would differentiate between white men who see her as a sexual
>animal and black men who see her in a similar vein.  Trust me, you're
>fooling yourself if you think otherwise.
>

Perhaps the difference is that when those black males reach the point in
their life when they want to settle down they're more likely to pick
one of those "sexual animal" black females as their wife. 
Whereas, the white male is more likely to not consider the black female
for a mate.

I'm not sure if I agree with the term "sexism" when it's being used to 
describe overt come-ons for casual sex. But that's a different topic.

Regarding the conversations of brothers in the twenty-something range. 
Unflattering views of the opposite sex are not confined to conversations 
between males.  But that's even another topic.
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		Wayne Hines 
		wayne@tse.uucp