HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: scoggin@delmarva.com (John K. Scoggin, Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.fddi
Subject: Re: FDDI card for SS2?
Date: 31 Dec 1992 16:16:54 GMT
Organization: Delmarva Power & Light Company
Distribution: world
Reply-To: scoggin@delmarva.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.delmarva.com

In article 27354@fsl.noaa.gov, chesney@obiwan.fsl.noaa.gov (Scott Chesney) writes:
> Does anyone know of an S-bus - FDDI interface card?
> How about drivers for ths same?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 	Scott

Sun sells such an animal - it's called a X1003A FDDI Single-Attach SBus Interface Card. The cost in the Sun catalog is $2995 and it includes drivers on CD-ROM and 3.5-inch diskette.



Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: fenton@iron.hq.aflc.af.mil (George I. Fenton)
Subject: Re: Ethernet vs. Token Ring for fiber-optic backbone links
Organization: U.S. Air Force Security Assistance Center (AFSAC)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 13:20:04 GMT



Depending on your applications, you may want to look at FDDI
as your backbone protocol.  We have configured our PCNET here
with 10BaseT Concentrators for the PC workstations connections,
a Cisco router to route traffic either to the LAN backbone
(where the servers are located) or to the 56 kbps WAN connections,
and a FDDI backbone to connect the router and the servers.

Although FDDI is a bit more expensive, you get 100Mbps with
redundancy capability (depending on configuration).



    PCs    <---->   10BaseT Concentrators <---> Router  <-->  FDDI hub
                                                |             |
                                                |             |
                                               WAN          servers


Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: bwolfe@rad.rpslmc.edu (Brian A. Wolfe)
Subject: Ethernet vs. Token Ring for fiber-optic backbone links
Reply-To: bwolfe@rad.rpslmc.edu
Organization: Rush Presbyterian-St. Lukes Medical Center, Chicago IL 60612
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 16:32:36 GMT

Hi there,

Does anyone have a feel for any advantages/disadvantages there might
be for using token ring rather than ethernet for fiber links connecting 
routers? Here is the configuration:

                     A ----- B ---[Synoptics
                     |       |     Chasis]
                     |       |
                     C-------D----[Synoptics 
                                    Chasis]

I'm being asked to use token ring to link routers a-b-c-d and ethernet from routers
to the Synoptics concentrators. I always prefer using ethernet wherever possible because of the simplicity/cost etc., the medium-term direction would be to use fddi between routers a-b-c-d, eventually upgrading to ATM.

I have heard that it is possible to share multiple links between routers
with OSPF2 so it would be possible to get 20, 30 or 40 Mbps aggregate throughput
between 2 adjacent routers (in theory at least), would this also be possible
with token ring? (my guess is that media shouldn't matter).

How about throughput for 16Mbps token ring vs. 10Mbps ethernet when you have 
a point to point link via fiber. My guess is that ethernet may be a little better 
with just 2 stations on it, but I'd be interested if anyone has done any real
comparisons.

regards,

Brian

bwolfe@rad.rpslmc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans,comp.misc
From: jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr)
Subject: Re: Info on wireless ethernet link needed
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 20:38:40 GMT

I have received several inquiries asking me to post what I learned about
wireless ethernet and wireless bridges here, but to my chagrin I find that
I erased the file I was saving them in.  Dammit.  Will people who continue
to post here post publicly rather than sending me personally their info? 
I appreciated the stuff I've been mailed and wish I could pass it on to
the others...
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans,comp.dcom.lans.ethernet
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: Ethernet vs. Token Ring for fiber-optic backbone links
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:59:14 GMT
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology

In article <1993Jan6.163236.17399@rpslmc.edu> bwolfe@rad.rpslmc.edu writes:
>How about throughput for 16Mbps token ring vs. 10Mbps ethernet when you have 
>a point to point link via fiber...

It will depend a whole lot on the quality of the token-ring cards.
Historically, real-life measured 16Mbps token-ring throughput has been
seriously inferior to that of Ethernet, due to lousy implementations
and limited vendor choice.
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       -Gene Cernan, the Moon, Dec 1972 |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
Xref: sparky comp.dcom.lans:2049 comp.misc:4770
From: alberg@netlan.jpr.com (Al Berg)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans,comp.misc
Subject: Re: Info on wireless ethernet link needed
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 10:25:56 -0500
Organization: NETLAN, Inc. - LANLINK ONLINE - New York City

In <1993Jan4.145730.7888@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:

>My office at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia would like to establish
>a wireless ethernet connection with another office building that is across
>a busy street somewhere between a quarter mile and a half mile away,
>clearly visible via line of sight.  The university refuses to trench

I have used LCI's LACE Ethernet product in a similar situation with
good results.  LACE is simply 2 infrared lasers with 1 pin ethernet
ports on the backs.  Aim the lasers at each other, mount them
securely, attach transievers and you are set!  LACE performed well
in rain and snow and momentary obstructions like birds didn't bother
it.  (I was disappointed that it didn't provide a rain of barbecued
pigeon, tho :-) ).

LCI is located in Lancaster, PA.

Al


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From: 00brwoodson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: News on plastic in IN
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:34:18 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

the makers of plastic must be suffering because they are putting commercials on
TV now, here in Indiana to support them and the products made of plastic. 
These commericals state that plastic saves energy and costs less than other
products.  Has anyone else seen these commericals?  Your comments please.
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth,talk.environment
From: cls@truffula.sj.ca.us (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Re: News on plastic in IN
Organization: Save the Humans!
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 18:26:02 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.143418.13434@bsu-ucs> 00brwoodson@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>the makers of plastic must be suffering because they are putting commercials on
>TV now, here in Indiana to support them and the products made of plastic. 
>These commericals state that plastic saves energy and costs less than other
>products.  Has anyone else seen these commericals?  Your comments please.

We've got Society of the Plastics Industries imagemaking spots here
in California too.
One thing I noticed:  Environmental advocates such as EDF and Greenpeace
are careful to criticize those particular plastics (PVC, epoxies, styrenes,
and good old cellophane) whose manufacture and disposal create toxic waste
problems, while pointing out that other plastics (polyethylenes and
polyesters) are often less harmful than their alternatives such as kraft
paper.  The plastics industry commercials make no distinction among the types,
as if to create the impression that all are equally benign.
The environmentalists seek to inform, while the industry seeks to mislead
and confuse.

Cameron Spitzer in San Jose' Ca.
From: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk (Michael!)
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
Subject: Re: What new innovation, software or products do you want to see?
Date: 5 Jan 93 12:23:53 GMT
Reply-To: bane@vtx.ma.man.ac.uk
Organization: Magic Michael's Mushroom Factory.

In article <sehari.726196301@homer.ecss.iastate.edu> you write:
|> ---
|> 
|> What type of new innovation, software or products do you want to be
|> introduced to the market place.  No answer is stupid.  The things
|> that might be unachievable to you, might be very easy to produce
|> by others.  You could become part of history by initiating the process of
|> innovation.
|> 
|> Send your answers, along with it's possible applications to me via
|> Email.  We might be able to produce things that you might never thought
|> possible, for you. My Email Address is sehari@iastate.edu.
|> 
|> Thank you.
|> 
|>                        With highest regards,
|>                             Babak   Sehari.
|> 
|> P.S.  This message is being automatically posted to all unix wide bbs'. 
|> This post does not mean that I approve or disapprove this newsgroup.  Also,
|> the moderator of the moderated newsgroups, such as rec.humor.funny, should 
|> decide if they want this posting in their newsgroup.
|> 
|> -- 

Umm... how about

non-polluting non-resource-depleting easily-affordable DIY energy sources?
or a government that believes in and is run in a truely democratic way?

Michael
Newsgroups: alt.save.the.earth
From: masa@noce.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Matthias Sauer		)
Subject: Art of noise
Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 17:15:03 GMT

Hi there,

I recently stumbled over a CD of "Art of Noise"called DAFT. Does anybody know if
there are other CDs of AoN and perhaps some references to *related* kind of music.

Thanks in advance


Matthias
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Institute for Network Theory and Circuit Design
Technical University Munich
Arcisstr 21, D-8000 Munich 2

Tel.: +89 2105 8510
Fax.: +89 2105 8504

e-mail: masa@nws.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de
From: n087ec@tamuts.tamu.edu (Hessel Kooistra)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Re; Why COBOL for the 90's
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:21:06 GMT
Organization: ~/lib/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu

In article <21P3wB1w165w@ruth.UUCP> rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt) writes:
>drake+@cs.cmu.edu (Drake) writes:
>
>| I agree.  However, I'm just starting out in COBOL; could I have a few
>| examples where the advantage of COBOL is clearly shown?
>
>Well...... how do you suppose you would subtract a from b giving c?
>Um... the statement reads SUBTRACT A FROM B GIVING C.  What could
>be easier?

IBM 370 Assembler (been a while...)  :  L   Rx,B
                                        S   Rx,A
                                        ST  Rx,C

BASIC, C, FORTRAN, Pascal, Clipper...:  C=B-A

                                COBOL:  SUBTRACT A FROM B GIVING C.
                                          -or-
                                        COMPUTE C = B - A.

Which is easiest?  Personally, I prefer BASIC, C, FORTRAN, Pascal, Clipper
and probably more which I can't think of at the moment.  Additionally,
when thinking of ease of use, you have to figure in what it takes to set
up your variables.  Cobol is by far the most verbose in that area, with
three comparatively long lines of code just to set up A, B and C:

       DATA DIVISION
            .
            .
            .
       77  A                                   PIC 9(5)V99 VALUE 0.
       77  B                                   PIC 9(5)V99 VALUE 0.
       77  C                                   PIC 9(5)V99 VALUE 0.

versus, say, C which would be:

float A,B,C;
A=B=C=0.;

or BASIC which does not need any initializations.

But, COBOL has better IO than Assembler, and is easier to use with
floating point than Assembler.  I would not argue that.

As for the original posters querry as to where the big advantage of
COBOL lies, I would have to say that the formatted IO would have to
be it.  Of course, one function in any other language would just about
take care of that advantage.

The real advantage of COBOL and why it is still around is that just about
any non-programming fool can look at a COBOL listing and figure out
what is going on.  That is a very big advantage over a language like C
which can get pretty far out.  COBOL is the language of the IRS, set up so
that businesses can not hide behind their accounting software.

Just my $.02 worth.

Hessel
From: bleys@wisdom.bubble.org (Bill Cavanaugh)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Re; Why COBOL for the 90's
Date: 10 Jan 93 16:16:39 GMT
Organization: Xanadu Enterprises, Inc.

In article <21P3wB1w165w@ruth.UUCP> rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt) writes:
>drake+@cs.cmu.edu (Drake) writes:
>
>| I agree.  However, I'm just starting out in COBOL; could I have a few
>| examples where the advantage of COBOL is clearly shown?
>
>Well...... how do you suppose you would subtract a from b giving c?
>Um... the statement reads SUBTRACT A FROM B GIVING C.  What could
>be easier?
>

I'm all for the use of COBOL into the indistinct future, but aren't you
reaching here?  Isn't C = B - A just as clear?  And much more common in
math and computer circles?

bill
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Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: tcarroll@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Thomas Carroll)
Subject: MicroFocus
Organization: Purdue University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 05:30:16 GMT

 Any one out there use Micro Focus Workbench besides us Purdue
people? I am quite impressed with it's many features. I just ordered the
student version of it and was wondering how much will be chopped?
Any FTP sites with microfocus updates and additions?

T. Carroll
.
From: n087ec@tamuts.tamu.edu (Hessel Kooistra)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: COBOL source code available via anon ftp?
Date: 7 Jan 1993 21:45:37 GMT
Organization: ~/lib/organization
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu


I have developed a program which reads COBOL source code and automatically
generates a flowchart.  I am just about at an alpha test stage, and I need
to run it on some "real" code.  Does anyone know if there is a FTP site
that has some COBOL source code on it?

    Hessel Kooistra
    n087ec@tamuts.tamu.edu


Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: injoh@rz.tu-clausthal.de (Jochen Hein)
Subject: Re: COBOL automatic flow charter
Organization: TU Clausthal, Germany
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 12:24:53 GMT

In article <1inj1uINNs02@tamsun.tamu.edu> n087ec@tamuts.tamu.edu (Hessel Kooistra) writes:
Hi,

>     The entire program was written by me, including the parser.

How about releasing the parser to the PD, as some people (including me)
are looking for such a beast.

For your problem of searching some COBOL-Code I can give you only some small
well structured excerises from school in ANSI-74. I don't think, that this
could help you. The problem is, that I didn't program really big things
in COBOL ever.

Reply to HEIN@VAX.IN.TU-CLAUSTHAL.DE

Linux: The best text-adventure of the world!
From: smothers@nauvax.ucc.nau.edu
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: software wanted
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:25:33 GMT
Organization: Northern Arizona University


        What I would like is software that will filter out Babak Sehari's
overt commercialism
From: SINARRWB@admin.uh.edu (BELL, ROBERT W.)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Cobol
Date: 12 Jan 1993 03:13:09 GMT
Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: uhad7.admin.uh.edu
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20


    All this rhetorical meanderings have tickled me pink..

    Try making/using/creating an RMS Indexed file in VMS C,
    vs VMS Cobol....  Then again, I have never seen anything
    C could do that Cobol couldn't.  Not to mention a C programmer
    that could do it as fast as I could, regardless of verbosity.
    I find it amusing that people site verbosity as a problem
    /annoyance with Cobol.   I dont think I have ever typed
    in a Cobol program from scratch or intend to.  Just use
    them for their strengths and these silly thoughts might
    fade away...

    Bob
From: rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt)
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Re; Why COBOL for the 90's
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:44:36 GMT
Organization: Network XXIII - +1 608 222 9253

drake+@cs.cmu.edu (Drake) writes:

| I agree.  However, I'm just starting out in COBOL; could I have a few
| examples where the advantage of COBOL is clearly shown?

Well...... how do you suppose you would subtract a from b giving c?
Um... the statement reads SUBTRACT A FROM B GIVING C.  What could
be easier?


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Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: Don Nelson <nelson_don@comm.tandem.com>
Subject: Re: Re; Why COBOL for the 90's
X-Xxdate: Tue, 12 Jan 93 19:24:17 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:11:30 GMT

In article <93009.144631O79SI@CUNYVM.BITNET> , O79SI@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>Could you please tell me more about Object Cobol ?
>like when its going to be in thr
>market ? what's new in it ? thinngs like that

Object-oriented COBOL is being developed by a sub-committee of ANSI 
X3J4 (the COBOL Committee).  They are defining syntax and semantics to 
make COBOL work somewhat in the fashion of other object-oriented 
languages.  That is, you can define an object in the Data Division and 
manipulate it like other data.  The actual object can be a giant program.
 
Obviously there is a lot more to it than that.  They think the COBOL 
object-oriented stuff will be better than C++ and most of the other OO 
languages around.  They are making changes that will not conflict with
the 
rest of COBOL and will also allow one to make an existing program an 
object.  Therefore, a COBOL programmer can continue to use regular COBOL 
or change to use the object stuff.  They are supposed to have a fairly 
complete description of what it will look like shortly.

Some vendors already say they have some object-oriented features.  
However, nobody has what the OO COBOL group is defining.  All of us in
the 
Standards arena hope that nobody implements anything until the definition 
is complete and solid.  This should be a year or so from now.  It may not 
make it into the next Standard (supposed to be 1995 or thereabouts), but 
if it misses it would appear shortly thereafter as an amendment.

Don Nelson
COBOL Development, Tandem Computers, Inc 
ex-Chariman, CODASYL COBOL Committee & member ANSI X3J4 COBOL Comm. 
nelson_don@comm.tandem.com
No clever quotes here
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Cobol
From: dudleyh@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (Dudley Horque)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 00:11:15 GMT
Organization: UCNV, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia

In article <1itd05INNf73@menudo.uh.edu> SINARRWB@admin.uh.edu (BELL, ROBERT W.) writes:
>    ....  Then again, I have never seen anything
>    C could do that Cobol couldn't.  

Come on... I'm not fond of C or COBOL, but have you ever tried to create
a linked list in COBOL... its a b*tch.
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Date: Saturday, 9 Jan 1993 14:46:31 EST
From: <O79SI@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
Subject: Re: Re; Why COBOL for the 90's
Distribution: usa

Could you please tell me more about Object Cobol ?
like when its going to be in thr
market ? what's new in it ? thinngs like that
sorry about the mistake above because i am having problem using my arrow keys .
if u have any idea why please tell me.

thanx.
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: Don Nelson <nelson_don@comm.tandem.com>
Subject: Re: Re; Why COBOL for the 90's
X-Xxdate: Mon, 11 Jan 93 20:01:00 GMT
Organization: Tandem Computers
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:48:11 GMT

In article <1iplu2INN7di@tamsun.tamu.edu> Hessel Kooistra,
n087ec@tamuts.tamu.edu writes:
>Which is easiest?  Personally, I prefer BASIC, C, FORTRAN, Pascal,
Clipper
>and probably more which I can't think of at the moment.  Additionally,
>when thinking of ease of use, you have to figure in what it takes to set
>up your variables.  Cobol is by far the most verbose in that area, with
>three comparatively long lines of code just to set up A, B and C:
>
>       DATA DIVISION
>            .
>            .
>            .
>       77  A                                   PIC 9(5)V99 VALUE 0.
>       77  B                                   PIC 9(5)V99 VALUE 0.
>       77  C                                   PIC 9(5)V99 VALUE 0.
>
>versus, say, C which would be:
>
>float A,B,C;
>A=B=C=0.;
>
>or BASIC which does not need any initializations.
>
>But, COBOL has better IO than Assembler, and is easier to use with
>floating point than Assembler.  I would not argue that.
>
>As for the original posters querry as to where the big advantage of
>COBOL lies, I would have to say that the formatted IO would have to
>be it.  Of course, one function in any other language would just about
>take care of that advantage.
>
>The real advantage of COBOL and why it is still around is that just about
>any non-programming fool can look at a COBOL listing and figure out
>what is going on.  That is a very big advantage over a language like C
>which can get pretty far out.  COBOL is the language of the IRS, set up
so
>that businesses can not hide behind their accounting software.

Note that you said "float" in C.  Floating does not produce exact
results.  
COBOL's scalar arithmetic does.  You have to stand on your head in all of
the other languages except PL/I to achieve 18 digit scalar accuracy.
Also, COBOL's data descriptions fully describe the scaling and other 
attributes of the data.  C and others do nothing of the sort and the C
standard does not even say how big an integer is.  Trying to fault COBOL
for its data descriptions is looking in the wrong place.

Don Nelson
COBOL Development, Tandem Computers, Inc 
ex-Chariman, CODASYL COBOL Committee & member ANSI X3J4 COBOL Comm. 
nelson_don@comm.tandem.com
No clever quotes here
Newsgroups: alt.cobol
From: map@sequent.com (Michael Perry)
Subject: Re: Re; Why COBOL for the 90's
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 18:40:19 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.161639.16400@wisdom.bubble.org> bleys@wisdom.bubble.org (Bill Cavanaugh) writes:
>In article <21P3wB1w165w@ruth.UUCP> rat@ruth.UUCP (David Douthitt) writes:
>>drake+@cs.cmu.edu (Drake) writes:
>>
>>| I agree.  However, I'm just starting out in COBOL; could I have a few
>>| examples where the advantage of COBOL is clearly shown?
>>
>>Well...... how do you suppose you would subtract a from b giving c?
>>Um... the statement reads SUBTRACT A FROM B GIVING C.  What could
>>be easier?
>>
>
>I'm all for the use of COBOL into the indistinct future, but aren't you
>reaching here?  Isn't C = B - A just as clear?  And much more common in
>math and computer circles?

Perhaps, but Cobol is NOT a math language... it's a business language.
File I/O... not vector analysis  :)

>
>bill
>-- 
> *         Bill Cavanaugh       bleys@wisdom.bubble.org          *
>XY + XX = :-)

Mike
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