From: bcopelan@cs.strath.ac.uk (Barry Copeland TBS92)
Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal.heavy
Subject: Re: "Death Metal"
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:42:07 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Glasgow, Scotland.

In article <1e71nvINNrr9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> maf10@po.CWRU.Edu (Moses A. Fridman) writes:
>
>Death metal sucks.  Before you fill my hardisk with text files, though:

This is an opinion - and will probably lead to a pile of arguments....
so do not share it with us

>What do you call death metal?  My record club classifies U2 as hard
>rock!  If you are interested in a good _grindcore_ band, Sepultura IMHO
>is as good as they come.  Tight arrangements, good dynamics, good fast

If you insist on taking part in a debate, please understand the terms 
involved...

Sepultura are thrash leaning towards both Hardcore and Death... definately NOT
grindcore.

Napalm Death are grindcore . Their first albums defined the scene although
their newer albums (Harmony Corruption and Utopia Banished) both lean towards
Death and Industrial.

Carcass are most definately grindcore and are probably the finest exponents of 
the genre at the moment.

>songs, understandable lyrics (with some study of the lyric sheet... Max
>Cavalera sounds better than Napalm Death, and Sepultura is Brazilian!)

I think you've got your terms mixed up here, shouldn't it read..
"Sepultura sounds better than N.D. and Max is Brazilian"?? I agree with you if
this is what you are trying to say.

>and good lyrics.  True death metal, like Obituary, Carcass, and Napalm 
>Death are whiplash fast, boring, not at all innovative, and are stuck

Obituary are actually fairly slow... try "The End Complete".

>with different ways to say "Eating rotting intestines is fun", usually
>by consulting a medical dictionary and a thesaurus.  The band Death is

Although this may be true in relation to Carcass, it might help you to try to
find a lyrics sheet for Obituary...they have NO lyrics.

You should also get your hands on an ND sheet as all ND lyrics are 
socio-political and are a strong feature of the band's music.

>not too bad, though, because they do innovate somewhat.  Kreator is 
>a generic thrash band, not at all death, with songs about oppressive
>society (yawn) and child abuse (Bringer of Torture).  I think that they
>are boring.  
>
No arguments here...
>                                                      Moses
>   
>-- 
> | |^\   /\   \   |   \   |   /| | |\   +--- \   | "Ask for thyself another
> | | / /    \ | \ |   | \/|  X | | | \  |--  | \ |  kingdom, for that which
> | | \ \____/ |  \|   |   | / \| | |__/ \___ |  \|  I leave is too small 
>      \           |       |                      |  for thee"

 I think the moral of Moses' story is to know what you are talking about.
I would find it hard to believe that he has read anything on the death/grind/
industrial/hardcore scene nor seen a lyrics of anyone except Kreator

As for the Iron Maiden sig ....


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Barrie Copeland         /"When a man lies,he murders some part of the world,
bcopelan@cs.strath.ac.uk/These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives
                        /All this I cannot bear to witness any longer           
                        /Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home" 
                        / CLIFF 1962-86
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