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From: u1781ag@unx.ucc.okstate.edu (Andy Lowery)
Subject: Re: PACERS,PACERS,PACERS
Organization: Oklahoma State University Computer Center
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 20:02:01 GMT

In article <20673@npal.rn.com> bramsey@npal.rn.com writes:
>r IF anyone thinks the bulls are going to win another one your in for a shock.
>the Indiana pacers are going to have  a 65 win season and kill the bulls in the
>post season.
>
That is, if the Bulls make it to the post season.
From: v281nr6a@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark D Uher)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Cavs and Gerald Wilkins
Date: 16 Oct 92 04:06:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bw74r6.39H
Organization: University at Buffalo
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I read an interesting commentary about the Cavs-Wilkins deal.  I just wanted
to hear some other opinions.  The commentary was by Peter Vecsey in the USA
Today.  He, as well as I, wonder why Wilkins would have signed a deal that was
worth only $500,000.  He was offered as much as 1.8 million from NY (holding
out for 2 million per year), and several other multimillion dollar deals with
other clubs(Washington, Houston).  Furthermore, if Lenny Wilkens insisted on
trading Ron Harper, because of his desires to be a one man, a la Jordan, team,
why does he feel that Wilkins is any less of the sort or that he can control
his untamed nature.  We all know what I am talking about.  Wilkins, Harper and
every other guard of their ability thinks that they can play like Jordan and
run the team.  Surely Wilkins can't think that he will be able to take control
of this already star-studded team...

GO CAVS!!

	-Mark
					
Organization: Masters student, Information Networking Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 13:45:29 -0400 
From: Michael Hofsass <mh6c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Idiots-Don't Post
	<1992Oct8.202953.4911@ncsu.edu>




*laugh*




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*      KNICKS ALL THE WAY IN 1992-1993!!!!!!!!    *
*      RANGERS WILL BE STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!!!   *
*      I AM THE GRAND WIZARD MAGE!                *
*      "The road to nowhere leads to me...."      *
*			-The Oz!                  *
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From: jds@sequent.com (Jerry Simmering)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Blazer Report
Date: 12 Oct 92 21:08:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: sequent.1992Oct12.210837.15971
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sequent Computer Systems Inc.

In article <1992Oct12.060812.770@fasttech.uucp> zeke@fasttech.uucp (Bohdan Tashchuk) writes:
>In <4284@3cpu.rain.com> edrury@3cpu.rain.com (Ed Drury) writes:
>
>
>I wouldn't do the Blazers any good if they signed Pack and then Adelman
>failed to take advantage of his defensive skills. Time and time again last
>year Adelman didn't play Pack in situations when he could have used a
>quick defender.
>
>The Blazers have a pretty "dumb" team, in terms of on-court smarts. That
>would be OK if they had a "smart" coach like Riley. What the Blazers need
>most of all is a better coach.



   SIGH! - Here we go again.......
-- 
Jerry Simmering                 | GO Portland Trailblazers! 1992 W.C. Champs
Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.  | GO Atlanta Falcons! 
Beaverton, Oregon.              | GO Georgia Bulldawgs!
                                | GO Atlanta Braves! 1991 NL Champs!
From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: So...
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:54:32 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore

With all that trivia spreading around, I have one: what player has never
attempted a three pointer in the most seasons played?  Actually, I don't
know if he threw one up last season (I should look), but after that many
years, I kinda doubt he would change.
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From: afcanav@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (VIC CANACCI)
Subject: Re: Cavs get Gerald Wilkens?
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center
Date: 13 Oct 1992 18:37 EST  

In article <1992Oct9.012505.23242@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, aflorjan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Alan S Florjancic) writes...
>Yes, indeed, they did sign him.  CNN didn't give the specifics on the deal, but
>I feel that it is a hell of a move...Along with the signing of Jerome Lane, 
>which gives the Cavs more rebounding from the small forward spot.  They have 
>really creeped up on the rest of the division.  I'm not saying they'll take the
>Bulls, but they have really solidified themselves, barring no-one gets injured.
> 
>Alan Florjancic

Now the Cavs have a dilemma.  They will have to either cut someone that 
could easily latch on to a weaker team, or trade someone for some distant 
#2, in a draft that may not even exist that year.

See:

Brad Daugherty      Danny Ferry
Larry Nance         Hot Rod Williams
Mike Sanders        Jerome Lane
Craig Ehlo          Gerald Wilkins   John Battle
Mark Price          Terrell Brandon  Steve Kerr

They also have Bobby Phills, who the Cavs were very high on at the end of 
last season, in fact, they put him on the playoff roster ahead of Jimmy 
Oliver (who may be in camp as a free agent this year)

I like the way the team looks.  They have added in Wilkins and Lane two 
players that may not appear to be be much, but the Cavs didn't need much.  
They needed rebounding and defense from the SF position, which Lane will 
give them, and also an athletic guard that can drive to the hole, and also 
play some D against bigger guards (Dumars, MJ, the Reggies, etc.)

Yes, neither can shoot well, but they do add the components to the team 
that will increase the 2nd chance points, and the defensive intensity 
against the big teams.  Now the Cavs have (up to) 18 fouls to give each of the 
Bulls big three, (Nance, Ferry, and Hot Rod on Grant/ Ehlo, Wilkins, and 
Battle on MJ/ and Lane, Sanders, and Ehlo on Pippen,)  I know I counted 
Ehlo twice there, but you'll see him both places.  I'm excited about the 
chances this year.  If only the Bulls aren't hungry, and by the way, the 
Knicks may have added some people, but they are still wide open at Small 
Forward, and I'll take the Cleveland backcourt over there's anyday.

Any thoughts on what the Cavs chances are this year? Barring injuries, they 
will go at least as far as they did in 91-92.


Vic Canacci, Sverdrup Tech., NASA Lewis Cleveland


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From: aflorjan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Alan S Florjancic)
Subject: Re: Cavs get Gerald Wilkens?
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 01:25:05 GMT

Yes, indeed, they did sign him.  CNN didn't give the specifics on the deal, but
I feel that it is a hell of a move...Along with the signing of Jerome Lane, 
which gives the Cavs more rebounding from the small forward spot.  They have 
really creeped up on the rest of the division.  I'm not saying they'll take the
Bulls, but they have really solidified themselves, barring no-one gets injured.

Alan Florjancic
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From: jmoorhouse@mot.com  (Jim Moorhouse)
Subject: Re: Trent Tucker signs w/ BULLS
Reply-To: jmoorhouse@mot.com
Organization: MOTOROLA 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 21:21:45 GMT

In article <1992Oct06.201538.8600@brtph560.bnr.ca> markham@brtph600.bnr.ca (Andrew Markham P205) writes:
> gattuso@ssd.comm.mot.com (Christopher Gattuso) writes:
> >The Chicago Tribune reports that Trent Tucker has signed a non-guarenteed
> >contract with the Chicago Bulls.  Tucker, 33, says this is a dream of a
> >lifetime.  He was close to signing with a team in Italy, but excitedly 
> >took the Bulls offer.  He would be back-up to Jordan and is a decent 
> >three point shooter (taking the place of Hodges).  Commenting on having
> >to guard Jordan in practice, Tucker commented "Better than in a game, we
> >are on the same side now!!!"  The acquistion of Tucker leaves the 
> >reaquiring of Hansen in limbo.  (Before the flames begin about Hansen, he
> >was released at the end of the year, but the plan was to resign him for
> >less money)
> >
> >Anyone know about Tucker's defensive ability??????
> 
> When he was on the Knicks, he was the best defensive guard on the team.
> Although I must admit that doesn't say much with the likes of Gerald Wilkins,
> Mark Jackson, and Rod Strickland.
> 
> >If he is decent at D, the Bulls are ready for the three-peat!!!!
> 
> I think this is a great move by the Bulls.  The Bulls roster know looks
> like...
> 
> PG: Paxson      Armstrong
> SG: Jordan      Tucker       C.Williams
> SF: Pippen      McCray
> PF: Grant       King
> C : Cartwright  S.Williams   Perdue

you've got this part wrong.  King backs up Cartwright while S. Williams backs up Grant and plays some back up center.   
In fact Phil Jackson is talking like he might start King and Armstrong at the beginning of the season until Cartwright  
and Paxson are 100% after their off season surgery or King and Armstrong prove they can't do the job. 
> The Bulls now have a VERY deep bench.
> 
> Look out...
> 
> -- 
> Andrew W. Markham (markham@bnr.ca)
> Bell Northern Research, Inc.
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From: wgr@rti.rti.org
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Is Magic greedy/selfish?
Date: 7 Oct 92 15:46:48 GMT
Article-I.D.: rti.1992Oct7.154648.24888
Distribution: usa
Organization: Research Triangle Institute, RTP, NC

In article <1992Oct6.171033.6242@pdn.paradyne.com> lej@pdn.paradyne.com (Leo James) writes:
>Y'all can flame me if you have a mind to, but if my son decides to play
>a contact sport when he grows up (i.e.,  a sport where physical contact
>can cause cuts and abrasions such that blood,  not to mention perspira-
>tion and saliva, can be exchanged), I want the players in his league to
>be tested for AIDS and I *WON'T* want HIV positive kids playing with my
>son.  Hear me now, I am not calling for quarantine or for denial of em-
>ployment in non-evasive capacities.  But, I *AM* calling for reasonable
>protection for those who must come in contact with AIDS patients. If I,
>God forbid, were to contract AIDS, I would take it as my responsibility
>to take every possible precaution to  not put any other person at risk.

So if you had AIDS, who would get to decide what constitutes putting other
people at risk?  What if a co-worker of yours thought it was too risky for
you to drink from the water fountain?  Would you promise not to use it?  Or
maybe he doesn't trust you not to drink from it -- should you give up your
job to put this guy's mind at ease?  What if other co-workers feel the same
way?  I guess it's time to look for a new job.

Obviously the question is what constitutes "reasonable protection".  The
doctors have been telling us that we're reasonably safe if we avoid sex
with HIV+ folks and don't get a transfusion of bad blood.  You disagree.

I think the proper solution to your problem is that your son not play if
you (or he) don't think it's safe.  Don't be trying to exclude other folks
from playing because of your fears.

>PS, Question, you are sitting in the front row of an NBA game involving
>    the Lakers,  and Magic Johnson is heading for you,  chasing a loose
>    ball.  What do you do?

I've often wondered what I would do in that situation, but I won't know
until it happens.  I'd either try to catch him or get out of the way.  If
I chose to get out of the way, it would be because Magic weighs 235 pounds,
not because he's HIV+.
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From: jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J )
Subject: Re: Stuff
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1992 21:34:34 GMT

rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith) writes:

>No thats an apples and oranges comparison. There is nothing you could
>reasonably do to prevent the shotgun, there is something that could
>reasonably done in the other case.

	Well, there's nothing I can do to prevent the shotgun -- but that's
	not to say I worry about it.  It can happen at any time.  And, as
	U have brought up, what can prevent Magic from playing?  It's a risk
	that is going to be taken by all NBA players.

>I have read that several times now. Is there really anthing in the rules
>allowing Stern to prevent Magic from playing? He has not violated the 
>leagues drug policy, which is the only way players are banned from the
>league. There is not a rule allowing him to ban Magic. Magic may have
>gotten his blessing, but legally he did not need it.

>Selfish = concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself.

>Now what about this are you denying? Magic is taking no risk according
>to experts, the only people taking any risk no matter how slight it
>might be are the other NBA players. By definition that is selfish.

	I would really believe Magic is selfish if he truly believes he will
	inflict harm upon others if he comes back.  That's pretty clear.
	Depends on what YOUR definition of selfish is.  By coming back,
	Magic doesn't necessarily magnify his own image.  He magnifies the
	image of HIV+ sufferers, and he helps the Laker organization towards
	a championship.  Now, if Magic was coming back only for the $ --
	then there would be a problem.  But as it stands, I don't see Magic
	as selfish under any circumstances.

>I have not called him a money grubber or stupid and I do not intend to
>either.

	Well, I was not accusing U of this.  But apparently others have.
	And that's opinion.  That's what everyone's entitled to.  I have my
	opinion and U have yours.  U may vote for Bush, me for Clinton.
	But we all have to live in this world together, so I see no furhter
	reason to discuss this matter any longer.  I have better things to
	worry about in my life.

	Jazzy J

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From: chris@scan.genetik.uni-koeln.de (Christian Schetter)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Is Magic greedy/selfish?
Date: 7 Oct 92 13:43:16
Organization: Institute of Genetics/Dept. Virology, Cologne, Germany
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In-reply-to: lej@pdn.paradyne.com's message of 6 Oct 92 17:10:33 GMT

That's rubbish! You should educate yourself and your son, how
infections are promoted and how you can reduce your risk to nil. BTW
how do you deal with the fact, that fatal diseases like aseptic
meningitis, acute encephalitis, transverse myelitis, heart diseases,
maybe cancer etc. are all a cause of viral infections? To contract one
of these viruses is much much more probable than contracting HIV. If
you don't want that your son plays basketball with HIV+ kids (btw how do
you want to know?), than the only right that you have is to get your
kid out of the league. That is another way of apartheid and it reminds
me of the attitude the Nazis had towards people, they considered to be
not 'pure germanisch'. I feel responsible for this terrible history.
Maybe some of you think I am therefore not qualified to have this
point of view, but I could not stand the scenario, that a little kid
is standing besides a basketball court, all friends are playing on the
court, but assholes like Mr. James keep him from playing. What a
shame! And if s.o. thinks, r.s.b.p. is not the right place for this
comment, take a minute.

Chris

--
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Institute of Genetics                     Weyertal 121
University of Cologne                     D-5000 Koeln 41
Dept. of Virology                         Germany
Tel.: 0221/470-3422                       Fax.: 0221/470-5163
e-mail: chris@scan.genetik.uni-koeln.de
From: iqrh_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Imran Qureshi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Hakeem in Houston?
Date: 11 Oct 92 01:07:36 GMT
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York

Does anyone know whatever happened to the Akeem to Seattle rumors?  As of a few
weeks ago the rumors were Akeem+Sleepy Floyd to Seattle. The last I heard was
that Seattle was reluctant to give up McKey or McMillan for defensive purposes.
A trade would be great for Akeem and allow him to regain his position as the
best center in the league (at least until Shaquille takes over).

Any info would be appreciated. 
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From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis)
Subject: Questions
Organization: University of Cincinnati, ECE Dept
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 17:23:15 GMT

I have two picks left in my simulated hoops league draft and
would like information on any of the following questions:

(1) Is Terry Cummings out for the year?  Or will he come back
	in midseason?  (I heard he had major knee surgery.)

(2) How is Dominique Wilkins progressing?  I already own 'Nique
	and may draft his backup as insurance.  Who will be his
	backup?  Volkov?

(3) How has Todd Day looked for the Bucks in training camp?  Or
	is he even signed yet?

(4) Will Blue Edwards be a starter this year?

(5) Who has the inside track to start at point guard for the Spurs?

(6) Has JR Reid done anything so far in camp to show that drafting
	him wasn't a horrible decision?  How about Gattison?  I
	guess what I'd really like to know is about how many
	minutes the Hornets will give to these guys given that
	Alonzo signs (I'm sure he eventually will - Mourning in
	Spain? - come on!).

(7) Speaking of the Hornets - has Tony Bennett shown anything?

Thanks for any info.

Bob Davis
From: hira@cme.nist.gov (Ron Hira)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: That Top Ten Draft Discussion
Date: 13 Oct 92 14:46:49 GMT
Reply-To: hira@cme.nist.gov
Organization: National Institute of Standards and Technology

In article <7166@transfer.stratus.com>, halpin@sw.stratus.com (Jim Halpin) writes:

|> 	All I was trying to say was, a Gugs-for-Gamble trade isn`t an outrageous
|> suggestion (as somebody suggested. Just because Gugs was draft in the top-10
|> this year is no guarentee that he'll have any kind of success in the NBA. He
|> may not even develop into a "decent bench player"! Given that risk, it not 
|> to wild of an idea to trade a top-10 draft pick, especially one you are having
|> trouble signing, for an established player. Even if that established player isn't
|> particularly outstanding.

As a Bullets fan, I definitely would *not* make this trade. How good
is Gamble anyway? He doesn't strike me as being all that great.

You make a good point about the top-10 players may turn out to be 
busts, but why do they demand and the teams pay them such high
salaries? 

Ron
From: sheyn@csa.bu.edu (Igor Sheyn)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: Alonzo Mourning, greedy SOB
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:53:02 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: sheyn@csa


In article <1992Oct15.173350.11599@cmcl2.nyu.edu>, johneco@cns.nyu.edu (John Econopouly) writes:
|> > In article <1992Oct12.141338.21921@dg-rtp.dg.com> goolsby@harpo.rtp.dg.com (Chris Goolsby) writes:
|> We hate Falk here in NY.  I have a sneaking feeling that he is a Celtic agent,
|> which doesn't bode well for your team -- don't be surprised if Alonzo sits
|> out and ends up becoming a Celtic somehow. 
|> 
Wishful thinking, coming from an enemy. I didn't like the situation because
the more good players in the league, the better. But I wouldn't mind Mourning
sitting out to see him a Celtic one day. But it can't be done thru a trade
for sure, too much of value Mourning represents. Hope I am wrong and he'll
be a mini version of Bill Russel for us.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
From: rstewart@megatek.com (Rich Stewart)
Subject: Re: Magic's teammates are in danger!
Reply-To: rstewart@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 14:46:08 GMT

In article <6OCT199218421250@rigel.tamu.edu> c1h3384@rigel.tamu.edu writes:
>
>I think Magic's teammates are in extreme danger because of his decision to
>come back. Let us face it, Magic and his teammates will be treated by the 
>same physician and the same medical instruments. Even though certain measures
>will be imposed, I am sure, to prevent possible transfer of the virus, but
>who know what will happen. Anyone in LA hears any responses from the rest of
>the Lakers team to complain about the danger? 
>
>Bob

So Bob, 
	Your doctor treats  HIV+ patients  too.
From: ghc@ocf.berkeley.edu (Gary Cheng)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Lakers
Date: 10 Oct 1992 19:42:47 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: tsunami.berkeley.edu

   Is there a Lakers Mailing list, for all those die-hard Laker fans.
     Is there any updated news on how the lakers training camp is going?


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From: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Subject: Magic Fans, How is Dennis Scott?
Reply-To: jsosa@encore.com (Joe Sosa)
Organization: Encore Computer Corp
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:55:58 GMT
News-Software: NN 6.4.16

To all Magic fans, or NBA fans in general.  I was wondering how Dennis Scott
is coming along with the rehabilitation?  I know he had the surgery last season
and I thought I read that he had two minor ones at the beginning of the
summer?  Will he be able to play this season and to what extent.  He could
be a great addition to the starting staff with O'Neal, Skiles, and Anderson.

Thanks,

Joe Sosa