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From: 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington)
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Subject: Re: Chain of Command questions (light spoilers)
Date: 5 Jan 93 19:29:36 GMT
Organization: Ball State University

In article <1i7javINN5pv@gap.caltech.edu>, thogek@cco.caltech.edu (Thomas G. Kiefer) writes:
> 
> Sorry if one/both of these have been pounded to death out here already
> (I can't keep up with *all* this traffic!), but I have two CoC questions:
> 
> (1) What was Madred's ultimate goal in torturing Picard?  After the info
> he got from the drug sessions and shortly into the torture, he didn't
> sound as concerned about Picard suppliying information about Minos Corva
> anymore, but more with Picard admitting to five lights were there were
> four.  Was he working on breaking Picard's hold on reality (a la 1984)
> so that the Cardassians could implant some "reality" of their own before
> returning him to the Federation -- maybe implanting something(s) that
> would make Picard-commanding-the-Enterprise a beneficial circumstance
> for the Cardassians?

He was trying to break Picard's will to live... Make Picard trust him
to the point that he wouldn't question whether there were 4 or 5 lights.
Make Picard trust Madred more than his own senses and mind.

> 
> (2) Okay, so Jellico wasn't conspiring to hand Picard over.  But what
> about the Admiral?  She never appeared after her subspace talk with
> Jellico.  So?  Was she (in shady cooperation with Cardassians) using
> Jellico and the metagenic threat to ship Picard over to the Cardassians,
> for whatever reasons?  Is there any way to know?  Will this ever come up
> again?

That's one of the things that annoyed me about CoCII... Although by not
sayinng anything it's a possibility that it might come up in a later
episode or in DS9... I hope so...

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From: oppedahl@panix.com (Carl Oppedahl)
Subject: Re: `Cheers woman
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:15:39 GMT

In <1993Jan1.190601.8816@fuug.fi> an92@anon.penet.fi writes:

>Sacha Netters!

>My friend and I were watching STIII:TVH the other night and noticed that 
>the woman who played Savick looked very similar to that woman from 
>Cheers, was it just us or is this the same woman?  Or arewe we spending 
>too much time in front of the ol' boob tube?  :-)  ;)

Yes, it is the same woman.


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Subject: Re: Data Watch
From: ace@kryton.UUCP (Catherine Beckstead)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 93 19:15:49 PST
Organization: Paradox Alley F&SF BBS 805-492-8789

scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield)  writes:

> On 29 Dec 92 22:25:25 GMT, ynecelc@sx.mont.nec.com (Ellison Chan) wrote:
> 
> EC>You know what else? If memory serves, almost every security officer
> EC>I've seen on TNG has worn red. Since Worf is head of security, shouldn't
> EC>he also be wearing red?
> 
> I think your memory fails you.  Ever since the first season, TNG security
> officers have worn gold (except Worf, who, for some reason, wore red in
> the first season).

The reason was simple.  He wasn't connected with security in the first
season.


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From: jmwojtal@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Wojo)
Subject: Re: More ramblings about DS9
Organization: Oakland University, Rochester MI.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 12:39:16 GMT

In article <1993Jan7.070528.6492@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> cmatting@nyx.cs.du.edu (Chris Mattingly) writes:
>As one of my friend's pointed out, it is an interesting fact that
>the lead character is only a Commander.  Doesn't this mean that any and all
>ships that come by will have Captains that will outrank him?

I noticed that too.  I thought he would be promoted to Captain by the end of
the show.  

Why is the Bejayan woman considered "Major"?  I thought she would have a rank
of Lieutenant Commander (like Data and LaForge).




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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
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Subject: Re: 38 Cloaking now obsolete due to gas anomaly tracking equipment
Date: 8 Jan 1993 18:50:13 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
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In article <1993Jan8.170143.16254@umr.edu> S104374@UMRVMA.umr.edu writes:
>I have also never understood why they cannot fire while cloaked,
>at least photon torpedeos that take relatively little energy.  Of
>course, by firing they would reveal their location, but according to
>canon, they cannot fire at all.I'd say it's just an unrationalized
>plot device to keep the cloaking device from becoming more powerful
>than it already is.

Maybe photorps detonate when they try to pass through the cloaking
field!

>Query:  In STIV:TVH, they land this cloaked BOP in the middle of Golden
>Gate Park and it is *completely* invisible.  Doesn't this seem just a
>little silly that it is completely invisible, espically since in STIII:TSFS
>Kirk found it by looking for the distortion against the stars?

A few possibilities:

1.  Hadn't the BOP begun the decloaking cycle when they detected it (I'm
    not sure; thinking about it, the answer's probably no).

2.  The effect might have been extremely subtle, only seen on extreme
    magnification.  If Sulu were getting position from star locations,
    he might have detected an almost invisible shift and zoomed in on it.

3.  The BOP was in motion.  Interaction with the drive system, compression
    wave in the (extremely thin) atmosphere at the low orbital altitude,
    or vibratory rippling of the cloaking field could have produced a
    visible distortion.

4.  Scotty couldn't resist tinkering with the cloaking device while on
    Vulcan, and tuned away the distortion.

5.  The distortion was insignificant next to thermal convection distortions
    normally present on a warm day in San Francisco.

Of course, why weren't there a bunch of stunned joggers, frisbee players
and small birds lying on the grass around the ship?  And nobody investigated
the rectangular depressions from the landing feet?


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From: bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP (Austin Phelps)
Subject: Re: Vulcan Captain??? (Major Mistake!!!)
Reply-To: bbs-aphelps@jwt.UUCP
Organization: The Matrix
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 03:53:35 GMT

cegtitd@prism.gatech.EDU (Tim Dodd) writes:

> All this discussion of Vulcan Captains is a waste!  Everyone knows
> that Vulcans lack the essentials necessary for command.

Well, for a lost battle, the Vulcan didn't do have bad.

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From: trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao)
Subject: Re: Picard's Book.
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 22:23:20 GMT

In article <2123.2b46ecca@mbcl.rutgers.edu> wilson@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
>
>	My last question was answered so well, that I 
>decided to ask another -- What is the book in Picard's
>Ready Room?  Twice I have seen direct reference to it -
>in "Chain of Command" the replacement captain gives it
>to Picard, and in the episode of the phony historian 
>time travelilng.


I'm pretty sure the book is something along the lines of "The complete works of William Shakespeare."
From: u0mje@ohm.york.ac.uk (Michael J Evans - H601/90)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DSN Synopses?
Date: 12 Jan 93 20:59:01 GMT
Organization: Electronics Department, University of York, UK

As Tim Lynch is not writing DSN synopses (only commentaries/reviews)
can anyone one tell me of someone/somewhere that's planning on
archiving episode summaries, in the same way as Tim's
sandman.caltech.edu site does with TNG?

Thanks - its dead apprecated

Mike

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Subject: Re: Best Episode?
From: johns@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Stephen Johns)
Date: 6 Jan 93 16:45:03 GMT
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

In article <1993Jan6.143637.29934@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>Pandora's Box.  What is in your opinion the best eposiode of TNG?  I realize

 Yesterday's Enterprise
 Tin Man

 Steve
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From: det@phlan.sw.stratus.com (David Toland)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Odo in DS9 (**MINOR SPOILER**)
Date: 6 Jan 1993 14:06:29 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering
NNTP-Posting-Host: phlan.sw.stratus.com

If anyone involved in DS9 production is monitoring, please read this.

Minor spoiler ahead:



Odo's shapeshifting abilities are impressive, but also could be overused.
I would also recommend a bit more adherence to physical laws.  His *mass*
should remain constant, his volume should probably remain nearly so.
I was a bit distressed to see him successfully disquise himself as a
duffel bag that was clearly *not* of humanoid mass (and yes, Odo must
be nearly human mass, consider when he slams Nog's accomplice back
against the wall).

It would be well to further define his environmental requirements.
Does he require oxygen (or some other atmospheric gas)?  Can he survive
high/low atmosperic pressure, what temperature range can he survive in,
does he have similar requirements to humans for food and water?


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From: billb@crpmks.uucp (Bill Bochnik (Info Systems))
Subject: Re: after finally seeing ds9
Reply-To: billb@crpmks.UUCP (Bill Bochnik (Info Systems))
Organization: Ciba-Geigy Corporation
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:05:52 GMT

In article <11JAN93.11883618.0188@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> Q6B7 <Q6B7@UNB.CA> writes:
>Now that I have at last seen DS9, a comment. It was really good! It will
>get even better with character development, but the FX were fabulous!
>Even the story was really good. A+ Rick and Michael. But! Why, when
>O'Brien was on the bridge of the E,was there no one in the "big chair?"
>Who the hell was in command? Even in spacedock somebody has the bridge.
>A minor detail.
>
>Paul L.
>
>"Fate protects fools, little children and starships named Enterprise"
>(Commander Riker)
>

Who said that no-one was in command?  Is this based on the fact that no-one 
was actually sitting in the chair?  Or are you basing the assumption on 
something else entirely?  I thought that there was someone in command at that 
time (some junior officer).

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From: trice@brtph330 (Tony Rice P885)
Subject: Re: DEEP SPACE 9 DRINKING GAME
Organization: Bell Northern Research, RTP, NC
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:43:25 GMT

JERRY ALLEN WILES (jawiles@eos.ncsu.edu) wrote:
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Drink a case of beer: each time someone posts with a sig over 20 lines
in length

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 16:34:40 EST
From: Wendell Bates <WRB4@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: O'Brien=Scotty?
Distribution: world

In article <1iq7qoINNjfh@lester.appstate.edu>, BARNESD@vax1.elon.edu (Danny
Barnes  ) says:
>
>This is just MHO, but Miles O'Brien on DS9 to me could be the next Montgomery
>Scott.  Although the accent's not quite the same (Irish vs. Scottish).
>
>Or, consider this: a COMBO of Scotty and Geordi?
>
>(Go ahead, groan,comment,flame,bitch,gripe,laugh,cry,do whatever, but I'd like
>some feedback on this one.)

  Yeah, it seems as though we're going to have another ethnic engineer/ops/re-
pairman/miracle-worker.  Star Trek seems to be good for that.  Can anyone re-
call seeing an Anglo-Saxon-type white male (e.g. Riker, Kirk, any TOS security
guards, etc.) as an engineer in ANY ship of the Star Trek universe (TOS, TAS,
TNG, DS9, the movies, books)???

  Also, this brings up another point.  Does anyone notice that humanity in the
future must be (a) pretty advanced mentally; or (b) super-smart?  I say that
because it seems that just about every officer on a starship (except Troi &
Crusher) knows how everything works.  I mean, I can understand that a captain
and first officer should know something about everything, but O'BRIAN???
C'mon!!!  The guy is a transporter chief, who happened to have been a tactical
officer in his past (what did he do to foul that up??) and is now the Chief of
Operations on a Cardassian-built space station.  Not just general knowledge
either, but he knows how to fix and cross-circuit systems in emergencies (some-
things that some specialists wouldn't know how to do.  For examples, see
TNG: Disaster or DS9: The Emissary).  Also, Geordi.  He went from helmsman (or
was it ops) to being CHIEF ENGINEER?!?!?  Damn, if I had gone to the Academy
for engineering and was a junior engineer aboard the Big-E and then told that
my new Chief was going to be the former helmsman, I'd pull a Ben Finney. ;-)

Just my ramblings.  Comments anyone....?

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From: rahayden@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (R Andrew Hayden)
Subject: Re: Use of "sir"
Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 05:55:06 GMT

dgthomas@acsu.buffalo.edu (Anne Gilles-Thomas) writes:

>Can someone please give specific examples of when a female superior officer
>was referred to as "sir" by a crew member?  Was this ever done in the original
>series or in the movies?  I know it's been done on TNG but I can't remember
>specific instances.

Saavik is referred to many time in TWoK as 'sir'.
I don't remember any specific TNG references, though.

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From: msmallwo@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (M. Lee Smallwood)
Subject: Re: Replacement for Picard
Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 05:55:45 GMT

<reffering to the post before this one -- my quoting ability is
shot>

That was EXACTLY my point in saying that he was 'stripped' of
his rank. (IMHO) He *certainly* was stripped of the rank. No
one freely gives up rank. Starfleet gave him a choice: pick a
new ship and stay a captain, or stay on the E and go back to
being commander. If they did not force this decision on him,
Riker would probably still be a captain on the E and hold the
position of 1st officer (that's right -- two captains on one
ship!). However, (as the last post said) Starfleet would not
allow this. He had to choose one course of action or the other. 

I certainly hope that Riker is not the captain of the E if
Stewart leaves. My top choices:

1) Data -- an android as a captain???

2) Lore -- same as 1) except with the word 'evil' stuck in there

3) LaForge -- let him see that you can't always run a
              diagnostic. My favorite choice.

4) Borg -- 'Riker! We can't rescue Hugh now! Hugh is
            irrevelant.' (of course, they're supposed to be
            different now...)

5) that Cardassian torturer -- well, I thought he was a neat
                               character.

6) any Fehrengi (sp??) -- forget that! He'd sell the E so fast

Of course, all of these would need major plot developments
before they happened. Also, Roe would not be bad. 

I am very opposed to them (paramount) bringing a new character
into the E. They need to develop the characters (like Riker and
MANY others) that they have before they introduce now. I don't
like Riker, but I believe that he could become a VERY viable
choice for captain. He just needs some work...

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From: dsohl@spock.uucp (Daniel Sohl)
Subject: Spoilers and ^L
Organization: Choate Rosemary Hall
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 19:02:06 GMT

OK, ok, I know that this is included in the file on spoilers that was posted
a while back, but I'd just like to re-iterate this request: Please keep in
mind that, in order to work, the ^L has to be the very first thing on the line.
So, if you are quoting a previous post that contains a ^L in it, make sure
that you edit it so that the ^L is the first thing on the line. The following
example DOES NOT WORK:
> Spoilers follow, so beware:
> ^L

D'ya see? The `>' has to be edited out of the second line or the ^L will not
work. It should appear as follows:
> Spoilers follow, so beware:


Get it? Please pay closer attention to this in the future. You will save many
people the frustration of having a crucial plot detail given away. Most of you
don't like when that happens, so keep in mind those who don't get to see an
episode until rather late, relatively speaking. Thank you for bothering to
read all of this.
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From: 00jlrushton@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
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Subject: DS9 DRINKING GAME UPDATE! READ! RESPOND!
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:24:40 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's


The DS9 drink rules.....

Drink everytime someone says "DS9" or "DSN" on the board!
Chug for every torpedo shot! 6 quick chugs!
A drink everytime "Sir" is said..... you'll be drunk quick!
A whole beer if someone kicks the transporter device!
A whole keg if Wesley Crusher dates Odo! ack!
Q appears on DS9... 3 beers min.!
No music is played during breaks one beer! (the music blew!)
No good introduction to  DS9 .......(what no to go where no one has gone before
speech to start! ack!) drink a shot!
A whole keg if anyone has sex on that show! ha ha ha ha ha! good luck!
A whole keg if the worm hole has a giant worm in it! (great bait!)
A shot for every trip in the worm hole.
If Lt. Yar comes back from the dead on DS9 party til you're drunk! ack!
If Spot comes on DS9 and makes it Deep Spot Nine then sober up! ha ha ha!
If GARTH BROOKS is on the show! RUN!   (IVE GOT FRIENDS IN DEEP SPACES!)
ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO!!!!!!! 
*KA-BOOM!*


okay i'm stopping now..................sigh
remember JUST SAY NO TO SPACE RANGERS!!!!!!! ;)

signed,
Lt. Stimpi
going where no cat has gone before! (long live Spot!)
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From: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Subject: 69 Re: Comments on DS9 "Emissary" **SPOILERS**
Reply-To: "bernie wong" <bernie.wong@canrem.com>
Organization: Canada Remote Systems
Distribution: rec
Date: 8 Jan 93 19:24:40 EST


 -=> S104374 babbled to All and look what he/she said! <=-

 S1> I believe the name of the crewman in STVI was Jax.  He was also an
 S1> enlisted member of the crew, and alien (not too humanoid) race.I
 S1> sincerely doubt it was meant to be the same character, even if I am
 S1> incorrect about the name.

No, it was Lietenant Dax in STVI (The name at least).


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