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From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: Malone on Barkley
Organization: Wayne State University, C&IT
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:20:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul27.202622.1150@ichips.intel.com>
harryk@omews58.intel.com (Harry Koehnemann) writes:
 
>In article <Bs276n.HCq@news.cso.uiuc.edu> sbulmahn@yoyodyne.ncsa.uiuc.edu (scooter) writes:
>>Its too bad that stuff like that has to happen in the Olympics.  Maybe
>>it has a place against opponents that play like horses-asses, like the
>>Knicks, Pistons, etc.  But against Angola???  Sorry, Charles.
 
The Pistons had the least amount of fines the season than any other team.
I agree that too many players were still trying to beat the chit out of
them. I notice that Knicks center Patrick Ewing has behaved himself quite
nicely so far! (& Too bad Pippen and Jordan were so arrogant towards
Kucoc (sp?) the next day.)
 
Of course we all *know* that if Isiah was there, he'd have played the guy's
head like a conga drum--something far worse than elbowing the guy!
And we *know* for sure that it would be malicious if Zeke did it! ;-)
 
>Really, it's too bad it happens in basketball at all.  In no other sport
>that I'm aware of do people get so violent about playing.  I've never had
 
Seen a baseball game lately? Ever see a hockey game?
 
>a problem playing volleyball.  It gets emotional and ref's get yelled at
>and what not, but nothing like the conduct that happens on a b-ball court.
>People have some respect for each other beyond just playing the game.  In
>basketball it seems like a totally different mentality.  Hell, a fight is
>an almost regular occurrence on a b-ball court, even at nicer clubs.
>Doctors and Lawyers taking swings at one another - it's hilarious.  And I
>won't even bother bringing up park ball.  Anyone else notice this besides
>me?  Is it the game that leads to this, or do b-ball players in general take
>themselves too seriously?  I mean, that's all it was  - Charles was taking
>that game (or his part in it) too seriously and not understanding the
>importance of the entire scenerio, only his little part in it.  The same
 
Yeah just go and rationalize it becuz Charles is so f*ucking cute, right?
He's not like one of those scummy Pistons thugs like Isiah, right?
Man, I'm actually happy that Zeke isn't on the team, cuz it gives a
chance for the others to be put under close scrutiny. I predict Charles
will be forever tarnished by this icing on the checkered cake of his career.
 
>thing happens at our level as well.  It seems that basketball brings out
>the this side in people more than any other sport.  Observations?  Answers?
 
I learned basketball growing up in a tough east-side neighborhood in Detroit.
I'm sure that a few fights may have broken out, but I have no specific
recollection of any fighting, which would tell me that fighting wasn't a
regular part of it then.
 
--Eric
From: gary@ccs.northeastern.edu (Gary Duhaney)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: Re: 1990 Goodwill Games team (explain this one to me)
Date: 28 Jul 92 03:34:07 GMT
Organization: Comp. Sci. @ NU

In article <Bs2EtE.L23@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jdt29225@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jazzy J ) writes:
>
>	Here is the roster of the 1990 Goodwill games team.  Someone explain
>	to me how this team went only 3-2 and lost to Yugoslavia and
>	the USSR team by 6 & 7 respectively.  Team roster:

Ok

>
>	Billy Owens, Syracuse
>	Alonzo Mourning, Georgetown
>	Christian Laettner, Duke
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No game here.  Was much too busy waiving to the teanage girls.
>	Kenny Anderson, Georgia Tech
>	Todd Day, Arkansas
>	Lee Mayberry, Arkansas
>	Walt Williams, Maryland
>	Charles Smith, Georgetown
>	Clarence Weatherspoon, Southern Miss
>	Chris Gatling, Old Dominion
>	Mark Randall, Kansas
>	Doug Smith, Missouri
>	Bryant Stith, Virginia
>	Bobby Hurley, Duke
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No game here.  Was much too busy with kp duty, if you get my meaning.

Beside Owens, Mourning, and maybe Williams, the rest are just
above average/good/over-hyped college players.  Some of whom
may become good NBA players.  But aside from the first three
players that I mentioned, I can't see any of the others
being much more than solid NBA players.

Five are or were in the pros.  Only Owens is a star waiting to happen,
with Kenny a possibility, & Doug Smith a possible Eddie Pinckney
clone (take awhile before he starts to show some of that promiss).
Charles Smith was a flop and so is Mark Randall.

The problem with this team as with any other college allstar team is
that they are guys who often have only seen press clippings  of
each other.  There are only six people on the team that regularly
play with someone else.  The fact is, that in International
competition, most of those guys are pros and have been playing
with each other for years.  i.e. Croatia, they all know each
other from years of playing together previously, they are also
all pro's.  Few in the NBA.

International comp has caught up to our college all-star teams.
If the us want to win gold they will have to send a nba all-star
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From: matthew@pram.cs.ucla.edu (Matthew Merzbacher)
Subject: Goofball no more
Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:36:50 GMT

Also according to the LA Times, Dwayne "Goofball" Schintzius has been cut
by Sacramento.  That's a damned shame, since the only times I saw him play,
the guy was golden.
--

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From: u_nique@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Jerray Wei)
Subject: Re: Reggie Lewis
Keywords: awesome
Organization: HAC - Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore
Distribution: usa
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:20:25 GMT

In article <1992Jul21.155151.15464@bmerh85.bnr.ca> stu1d46@bnr.ca (Reg Domaratzki) writes:
>have proven that they can really step it up whne it's needed.  Those two
>are Reggie Lewis and Joe Dumars.  I watched the Pistons beat the Celtics and
>the Lakers in the late 80s and Dumars was unstoppable.  I don't think he
>missed an open jumper in the playoffs (he is definetly a better shootng guard than Paxson, right Andrew??).  Reggie Lweis was just incredible in the 
>playoffs this year and was the main reason for the celts winning 15 of 
>there last 16 games in the regular season.  When the Celtics made Reggie
>thier goto guy, he responded.  Horny and Mitch are awesome players as well,
>but haven't proven themselves capable of playing at the next level.

I would disagree about Dumars.  I can't see why people think he's that good.
Yes he's a good defender, but no way can he score with the others in this
group or rebound with them.  Plus, I hate this playing at the next level
business.  For both Dumars and Lewis, you saw them prime time lifting their
game.  But I've seen Richmond and Hornacek both do great in the clutch.
Remember game 6 against Portland a few years back?  KJ got injured, so
Horny scored like 35 in a losing cause.

>Besides, Reggie Lewis was on the All-Star team.  If there were two Dream 
>Teams, why not just take the remaining players from the All-Star game that
>didn't make the first Dream Team, and make them the second team.

Because the all-star team is a joke.  Scottie Pippen didn't make it in 1990
(yet he was made an Olympian only a few months later).  And besides, Jeff
Hornacek did make the all-star team, so what's your point?
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Team Internet?
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:07:37 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Jul20.144959.52@gems.vcu.edu> porterg@gems.vcu.edu writes:
>While it is confirmed that we have a number of internet people going to the
>BIG GAME (no heat wave, please...), there still remains the recognition
>problem.
>

I was told by Skirmish, as of today they have registered approximately 4,200
people for Saturday's game.  The first thing they told me, after asking if I
was registered or not, Skirmish was not accepting anymore team assigment
changes. They are still accepting registration of people but you can't ask for
a change in assignments.

I still think meeting in one of the parking lots, at the concessionaires or
one of the 30 CO2 fill stations is our best bet for meeting other net people.
The registration package comes with a map of the staging area.  Any suggestions
on places to meet and a time?  I suggest we meet around Noon or 12:30 at one of
the food stations in parking lot #4 or one of he CO2 stations(hopefully they're
numbered). 
The playing field is 1,000 acres and with 4,200 people running around its going
to be difficult findin, let alone reconising netpeople on the field.
-- 
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From: turner@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: pro-am
Date: 22 Jul 92 19:22:07 GMT
Organization: NYU Medical Center, New York, NY 10016, USA

Greetings!

	I purchased a Tippman Pro/AM paintball gun yesterday.  I have found
some nifty features to the gun:

	o To remove an exploded paintball in the barrel in which you just
have the bolt back in ready position with safty on, push the forarm grip
forward a click and insert a cable through a port and pull on it once it
reaches the opening.  This seems to be a quick and easy method of cleaning
out your gun.  When you do that, you just need to pull back on the forearm
grip and you are ready to rock and roll.

	o a secure lock forearm guard.  this forearm guard dosn't sway lefto
or right, its locked into place.

	o the dual sight adaptors on the gun.

	o the handle is molded for left and right handed users.

	o the feed port not neededing an adaptor for the megafeed pouches for
paintpellets.

	o the gun comes with lubricating oil, spare parts, a stopper, 
          7 oz tank filled with CO2 (not sure if it is a syphon type), 
	  and a 40+ ammo holder.

	o the video is a very useful tool to keep your gun in prime condition.


I would like to know the "effective" ranges of the other guns out there.

The "effective" range to a pro-am is 150+ feet  (what the manual said).

I have fired this gun 5 times with left over ammo at 40 foot distance (that
is the longest range I have in my apartment).  I dont know what FPS the gun was
calibrated at, after a couple of shots, the pellet went through the box and hit
the wall behind it.  I find the accuracy is quite good.

see ya !

				- turner@mcclb0.med.nyu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: albertw@netcom.com (Albert Wong)
Subject: Re: The EVIL of Paintball....
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 17:37:18 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 

There are some who would say that paintball players are trigger happy
survivalist/anrachist/rambo types that would love to do combat in a
real war.  One thing I began to realize is that if the game I was
playing was for *real*, I wouldn't have lasted very long in a real
war.  Hence, I don't look forward to doing it for real.

There are positive aspects of paintball.  It stresses teamwork and
fiarplay, good sportmanship and the like.  Ice hockey can get more
violent that your average paintball game.  You never see the crowds
around a speedball game, riot and trample people when their favorite
team loses, like some soccer matches.

Does paintball promote "anti-social behavior?"  During the game, it is
very intesnse as each side tries for their goal.  After the game is
finished you will find a friendly bunch of people, who may or may not
know each other, talking of their experiences.


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From: mfleig@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Mark W. Fleig)
Subject: Re: Wanted - Advice on which brand of Head gear to Buy
Keywords: head gear
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:31:24 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.145621.3305@panix.com> henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan) writes:
>
Which ever goggle system you decide on, don't neglect protecting your ears.  The
Predator Mask, JT Crossfire and Scott Pannorama covers the ears but other system
s do not and you'll need to purchase separate ear protectors.  >


I just recently picked up a few JT Snapper's and solved the ear
problem by hopping into the local Army/Navy store. Simple OD hoods for
a buck each pull over the head and button under the chin, covering
practically everything the face mask doesn't. The material isn't well
padded, so you may have to stuff the insides with something to reduce
the owies, but it keeps the bad stuff out of your inner canals.




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From: mfleig@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Mark W. Fleig)
Subject: Re: PMI-3 or AutoMag
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 16:00:51 GMT

In article <eitzen.712138055@manning> eitzen@cs.UAlberta.CA (Rob Eitzen) writes:
>Sorry if this has been covered to death already, but I've only just
>become serious about buying a gun.
>Which is the overall better gun, the PMI-3 or the AutoMag?
>The points I am considering are: accuracy, consistancy, maintenance,
>field maintenance, ease of use in the field (easy to wield, get caught
>on branches...) and ease of tweaking (PSI, air placement, ...)
>Thanks.
>

Has anyone fiddled with the new VM-68 Magnum yet? I guess it's a
tricked out VM-68(PMI-III) with front and back hookups. As far as I
can tell, that's the only major difference, except for a few smaller
things. (And about $150.)  :)  Anyone handled one yet?



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: mfleig@silver.ucs.indiana.edu\  cosmic muffin. With all its hope and renewal,
`-------------------------------' the world continues to deteriorate. Give up."
From: Brad_Murray@mindlink.bc.ca (Brad Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: Paintball brands
Date: 30 Jul 92 21:48:35 GMT
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Distribution: world

> Peter Laan writes:
> Is there any paintball brands that can match up with the quality
> of Sherer. What about Nelson or Calmag.

Nelson is a great marker and fires reliably from my PMI III, but it is slightly
overfilled and will not feed properly in some guns.  In others (like the .68
special) it will fail to feed or drop the muzzle velocity significantly.  My
Bloodsucker pump feeds it okay in normal operation, but it drops just a hari
too slow for the auto-trigger and mashes most disgustingly.

Cal Mag has none of these problems and is a great paint -- good marker, good
colour, nice packaging.  Unfortunately, its shell seems to be more permeable
than most, and so if you leave an opened box around it will soften and deform
and be quite a mess to shoot.  Good paint if you live by the rule: if you open
a box, shoot the whole damn thing.  :)

These are the only two paints I have purchased in bulk and can comment on.
Comments are based on at least 2000 balls of each shot in several different
guns.
--
Brad Murray                                        Brad_Murray@mindlink.bc.ca
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From: davelb@hpgrla.gr.hp.com (Dave Butler)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 18:37:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Team Internet?
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Greeley, CO
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball

If you hear of whoever has those Team Internet patches please post it.
I am interested in getting a patch just for the novelty!


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From: jfol@hydra.unm.edu (joshua l follicks-shields)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: BIG GAME assignments
Date: 21 Jul 92 22:00:31 GMT
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque

In article <1992Jul14.160601.45@gems.vcu.edu> porterg@gems.vcu.edu writes:
>
>Well, our merry band of idiots just gor our assignments for the BIG GAME.
>I am on Team Blue, going for Objective #1.  I'll find out what that is later,
>I guess.
>
>Anyone else got their information yet?  Anyone else even going?  It's been
>kind of quiet on the subject.
>
   I thought the "big game" in Pensylvania had already occured.
When is it supposed to be? Yeah i guess I haven't been listening. 


--
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                         New Imperial Forces Motto:
                       Outnumbered, But Not Outfought!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
From: henryc@panix.com (Henry Chan)
Subject: Re: Pro/Am $340, Illust $335, PMI-3 $260
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 05:08:46 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix & Internet, NYC

In article <1992Jul21.081127.3118@ducvax.auburn.edu> wedwards@ducvax.auburn.edu writes:
>
>  I just placed and order with DRACO in GA and found out about their latest
>sale on semi autos.  If you order before 7/31 you can get a Pro/Am for $340,
>a Illustrator for $335, or a PMI-3 for $260.  All three are complete with a C/A 
>bottle and ammo box.  I don't know if anything else is on sale, but these are
>the lowest prices I seen yet.  There number is 1-800-642-5039.
>

$335 for an Illustrator?!!!

Oh, while we're on the topic of spotted bargin of the month I spotted some also.
In the latest issue of APG, September, the ad from Ball Busters of Maryland caught my eye.  They are advertising the  PMI Traccer with a 7 oz for only $135. PMI Traccer ASA for $99, Auto-Cocker  ASA for $350, Vents Thermals for $55 and the viewloader III for only $14.95.  

On a different note, a couple of months ago when larger capacity loaders were introduced such as the Indian Springs 200, the Viewloader III or the Allen Mold and Die 230 round Dominator they were going for top dollars.  IMHO I think the larger capacity loaders are going to be the wave of the future because the prices for the regular size loaders are tumbling.
In the latest issue of APG, September, General Joe is advertising ViewLoader IIs for $12.95 and Skanline is selling the Indian Springs maxi-loader (130 rounds) for $9.85.

-- 
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of Quayle and a likely Qualye bid in '96.   Don't Worry Be Happy.

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From: sheepdog@en.ecn.purdue.edu (SheepDog)
Subject: Re: Trracer sights
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 07:04:10 GMT


  I recently bought a Trracer and had a low-power sight lieing
around and decided to put it on the gun.  I ran into the same
problem you did--with a mask on the bottle gets in the way.

Here's how I solved the problem...
   Take the handle/trigger assembly off and rotate the bottle (actually
not the just bottle but the whole back assembly the bottle screws into)
about 45 degrees counter-clockwise.  The bottle should now point down
and to the right instead of just down.  This did an effective job of
getting the bottle out of the way of your face when you want to look
down the sight (big masks still have little problems)--it's still
a little crowded but not too bad.  The only problem this creates
is that the screw hole in the back assembly is now out of
position for the handle--this problem was solved by boring a second
hole in the metal and threading it for the handle screws. (5/16" bore
with 32 threads/inch????? I think....)  (Be careful
not to drill too deep or you'll bore down into the pressurized
part of the gun--bad news.)  Also, don't be tempted to turn the bottle
all the way to the right (90 degrees) there's a good chance that will
cause liquid CO2 to flow into the gun and cause damage....

  This modification was relativly simple and made the gun about 100
times more comfortable--using the sight or not.  It looks and feels
a little awkward at first but hold it a while or run with it and
you'll see.... The gun now fits more with the butt of the bottle
on your bicept than on your shoulder when using the sight.)  I also
found the Trracer to be very accurate with the sight (if you are in
a position to use it--good cover and lots of time)


             Todd Schelling

	sheepdog@en.ecn.purdue.edu
From: stan@sabaac.Mayo.Edu (Andrew Staniszewski)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: query
Date: 27 Jul 92 16:26:36 GMT
Reply-To: staniszewski@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation

Hi,
I was just recently introduced to the game and think it was a blast. Now I would
like to organize a game on my own, and need information on fields with equippage
(everyone in this game will have to rent) and I am wondering if anyone out there
has a list of fields and phone numbers for the Wisconsin and/or Minnesota areas??


If you have any data please send it to 

stan@sabaac.mayo.edu
From: nigel@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov
Newsgroups: rec.sport.paintball
Subject: Re: DEA may use painball guns
Date: 21 Jul 92 16:53:10 GMT
	<1992Jul16.161301.18706@auto-trol.com>
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA

In article <1992Jul16.161301.18706@auto-trol.com> stedee@auto-trol.com (Steve Deemer) writes:

[DEA deleted]

   That attitude's kind of funny when you've read all those articles in
   _APG_ about how US Army Scouts, various SWAT teams, etc., go up against
   a typical paintball team and get wiped out to a man.  You never hear
   about the "professionals" walk in and use their superior skills and
   training to rout the paintballers.

Hmmm...I suspect that the difference in weapon performance and ranges
(to what they would be taught) as well as unfamiliarity with the guns
is a big factor in these things.  I'm not overly surprised that swat
teams or other police officers get trounced...their training isn't
oriented toward this sort of thing.  I suspect that very few teams
could go up against the special forces units that have used paintball
guns in training and brag about easy marks.

As a note the West Point paintball team used to regularly demolish the
annapolis academy boys all the time...

   Steven Deemer

Nigel
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