HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: brockie@golem.wcc.govt.nz (Roger Brockie)
Newsgroups: nz.general,soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Provisional Results for Issue 7 COUNCIL - EASTERN WARD
Date: 14 Oct 1992 10:15:59 +1300
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wellington, NZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: golem.wcc.govt.nz


 10-Oct-1992 22:06 Sat     Status of Issue 7 COUNCIL - EASTERN WARD   Page 1

Provisional Results for Issue 7 COUNCIL - EASTERN WARD
Votes returned are 46.96%
Candidates to be elected - 4
Batches for which results awaited  -      0     Voters :        0 (0)
Batches for which results received -    464     Voters :    11583 (46332)
Number sent -     Voters :    21365 (85460)
Valid counted -   Voters :    11298 (40128)
                                    (5064)
Informal       -  Voters :      285 (1140)


Party                          Candidate                      Count
Independent                    Gotlieb, Ruth                   5874 (14.6%)
Green Team                     Kedgley, Susan Jane             5667 (14.1%)
Citizens                       Barraclough, Brian Henry        4504 (11.2%)
Wellington Labour              Armstrong, Hazel Elizabeth      4139 (10.3%)
Citizens                       Ramanathan, Rama                3419 (8.5%)
Citizens                       Olsen, Kathryn Amanda           3301 (8.2%)
Citizens                       Thomson, Heather Ann            3267 (8.1%)
Green Team                     Sandeman, Lorna Jane            3129 (7.8%)
Wellington Labour              Young, Richard Andrew           3017 (7.5%)
Wellington Labour              Sinclair, Mary Edith            2894 (7.2%)
Private Enterprise Party       Moncur, Frank                    917 (2.3%)


***The candidates provisionally elected are:
Gotlieb, Ruth
Kedgley, Susan Jane
Barraclough, Brian Henry
Armstrong, Hazel Elizabeth
-- 
brockie@golem.wcc.govt.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
From: news@massey.ac.nz (USENET News System)
Subject: N.Z. Gaming magazine ? Address wanted.
Organization: DSIR, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 04:34:17 GMT


I think there is/was a gaming magazine published in NZ (called the NZ gamer 
or something really trendy like that !). If anyone knows how i can get in  
touch with this mag (or whatever it mutated into) please let me know (email 
is best as i sometimes don't get a chance to look here for a week or two.

      Thanks

             Bruce Sinclair

             AGPBRS@PNV.PALM.CRI.NZ              (Internet)

Newsgroups: nz.general
From: duncan@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Duncan McEwan)
Subject: Re: nz.waffle
Organization: Comp Sci, Victoria University of Wellington
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 03:10:31 GMT

In article <10092279.19291.12810@kcbbs.gen.nz> dgd@kcbbs.gen.nz (David Dix) writes:

>Anyway I though this net was all about communications, I still cannot see
>_any_ good reason why new nz newsgroups should not be created on an almost
>ah-hoc basis.

Because if not all sites carry the group, it won't propagate around all
of NZ, and so the name nz.whatever will not be accurate.  I agree that the
25 rule may not be all that good, but you at least need some concensus
regarding creating groups within the nz heirarchy to ensure that the
users are not misled into thinking the group propagates further than
it does.

>Maybe the net costs series of articles in cave.kcbbs will start to show how
>we are already paying for _all_ of the nz network :-)
>Time must come soon when someone else gets that NZ-USA newsfeed connection
>up and going.

Interesting comment.  Would you care to expand on it?

Duncan
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Waken up Idiot (was nz.waffle)
From: dgd@kcbbs.gen.nz (David Dix)
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:53:24 GMT
Organization: Kappa Crucis unix BBS, Auckland, NZ

In message <liam.07ta@durie.amigans.gen.nz> Liam Greenwood writes:
>    I've found the people I deal with for our NewZnet feed to be helpfull
>in the extreme, and have NOT had an 'unreasonable' reaction from anyone.

Well good for you and I hope the relationship continues with these 'good guys'
I suppose it all depends on who you deal with.

>Maybe vuwcomp just has a greater percentage of 'good guys' (tm) than where
>those north of whatever-the-heck-those-hills-are are able to get there feed
>from.

I doubt it. Maybe there is just more pratts south of those hills who need
a geography lesson.

>> > Maybe the net costs series of articles in cave.kcbbs will start to show how
>> > we are already paying for _all_ of the nz network :-)
>    Get real.

Waken up idiot. Maybe a dose of reality is what you need or perhaps you should
try looking further than the end of your modem cable.
Before suggesting anyone else "get real" at least make some effort to find
out what the discussion is about.

>>  NewZnet is a *good deal*.
>
>        True. (...oh, IMVHO, of course)

VHO is very true. A good deal from where? for the newsfeed? for email costs?
Have you _any_ idea who is paying what?                      
                                                               *
dgd@kcbbs.gen.nz (David Dix), Fidonet 3:772/90.
ZL1UZC (bbs on 144.75 Pac Comm 1200)                     k *      *
Kappa Crucis Unix BBS, Auckland, NEW ZEALAND.                   .
Ph. 9817-3725/3714 v32/v42bis/MNP5
    9817-3094/8424 v32bis/v42bis/MNP5                          *
    9817-3324/3393 v22bis/MNP5  NZMC lines
From: richard@nacjack.gen.nz (Richard Vowles)
Newsgroups: fido.nz.all.sysop,demi-monde.allsysop,nz.general
Subject: Number of BBS's per region (Oct)
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:30:24 GMT
Organization: Malleus Maleficarum - Nil Mortifi Sine Lucre


Just in case anyone is interested, I did a count of the BBS's in each
region in NZ (along with a total). Here they are by region:

Auckland                                 106
Blenheim                                 1
Christchurch                             31
Dunedin                                  7
Geraldine                                1
Greymouth                                1
Featherstone, South Wairarapa            1
Hamilton                                 8
Hastings                                 2
Hibiscus Coast                           1
Invercargill                             5
Kaitaia                                  1
Levin                                    1
Napier                                   4
Nelson                                   1
New Plymouth                             5
Palmerston North                         18
Paraparaumu                              2
Rangiora (around Christchurch)           1
Rotorua                                  1
Somewhere in Otago                       1
Tauranga                                 1
Te Kauwhatu                              1
Timaru                                   1
Wanganui                                 2
Wellington                               55
Whakatane/Kawerau                        2
Whangarei                                1
                                        ---
Total BBS's Counted :                   263 


---------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Its not simply a question of getting hot, but how much heat you can take"

FIDONET: Richard Vowles 3:772/110.0         USENET: richard@nacjack.gen.nz
Packet Radio: ZL1UTF@ZL1AB.#11.AKL.NZL.OC   The Demi-Monde: 199:310/1
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: nz.waffle?? (was Re: Hello....hello...is anybody home)
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 92 06:22:28 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway. Parnell New Zealand

clear@cavebbs.welly.gen.nz fails to read the message but (Charlie Lear) writes:

> In article <BsR5RB2w165w@status.gen.nz> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) write
> >> As for it using "the local network setup", guess what: you fucked up. I

                     (stuff deleted)

> 
> Sorry, Jon, guess what: you fucked up.
 
 Charlie, get a grip of the situation please. The above comments were
 from richard@nackjack.gen.nz not jonc@status.gen.nz. The later being me.

 
 Please re read the articles in nz.general again to see the errors of your
 way. I will not bother to send a 105 line message pointing them out to you
 as you did to me.  I am sure you can see the act of net.forgery already
 you have committed.


 Do I see an apology forth coming? (no, I doubt it)

                                                  _
 Jon Clarke                                     o( )       
 jonc@status.gen.nz                            /  /\        GE: J.CLARKE6
 The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Auckland New Zealand      HSBC NZM  EBD
  
Xref: sparky nz.general:1437 soc.culture.new-zealand:2771
From: brockie@golem.wcc.govt.nz (Roger Brockie)
Newsgroups: nz.general,soc.culture.new-zealand
Subject: Provisional Results for Issue 42 JOHNSONVILLE LICENSING TRUST
Date: 14 Oct 1992 10:18:26 +1300
Organization: Wellington City Council, Wellington, NZ
NNTP-Posting-Host: golem.wcc.govt.nz


 10-Oct-1992 22:08 Sat     Status of Issue 42 JOHNSONVILLE LICENSING TRUST  Page 1

Provisional Results for Issue 42 JOHNSONVILLE LICENSING TRUST
Votes returned are 37.09%
Candidates to be elected - 6
Batches for which results awaited  -      0     Voters :        0 (0)
Batches for which results received -   1134     Voters :    28254 (169524)
Number sent -     Voters :    16728 (100368)
Valid counted -   Voters :    27125 (37229)
                                    (125521)
Informal       -  Voters :     1129 (6774)


Party                          Candidate                      Count
Effective Trustees Party       Fisher, Helen Maree             4138 (11.1%)
Effective Trustees Party       Wu, Victor                      4043 (10.9%)
Effective Trustees Party       Evans, David John               3723 (10.0%)
                               Tocker, Kenneth David           3459 (9.3%)
Effective Trustees Party       Turner, Ronald James            3368 (9.0%)
The Trust Team                 Goffin, Ann Joy                 3361 (9.0%)
The Trust Team                 Piper, Pip                      3280 (8.8%)
Effective Trustees Party       Batten, Eric Andrew             3265 (8.8%)
The Trust Team                 Cable, Ellen Sheila             2900 (7.8%)
People's Trust                 Ward, Patrick Joseph            2864 (7.7%)
The Trust Team                 Duggan, Dennis William          2828 (7.6%)


***The candidates provisionally elected are:
Fisher, Helen Maree
Wu, Victor
Evans, David John
Tocker, Kenneth David
Turner, Ronald James
Goffin, Ann Joy
-- 
brockie@golem.wcc.govt.nz
From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: nz.waffle?? (was Re: Hello....hello...is anybody home)
Date: 15 Oct 92 19:50:16 PST
Organization: TAP

Quoted from <1992Oct13.082139.21516@acme.gen.nz> by kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I):

> Whereas the stuff from status, nacjack, and now it appears
> templar.actrix.gen.nz has been wildly entertaining.

    Ha ha. Lame, citizen. If you're going to flame, you should go for
    something original, instead of the typical loser move of twisting
    someone else's idea.

    Like those folks who took our "A vote for 2002 is a vote for
    Justice" slogan. :/

> 						- k
--
*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***
***    "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk    ***
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: nz.bbs.sysops
Summary: Yes
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 19:23:51 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

thetroll@rata.vuw.ac.nz (The Troll) writes:

> Professionism vs Amateurism? 

Yes.

I know that there is a difference between an administrator and an
operator in the professional sense, but most amateur BBS owners choose
to call themselves sysops, not admins.



dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Trip
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 07:40:47 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway. Parnell New Zealand

 Hi,
 
 Further to a suggestion from Mr Lear .
 
 I will not be available via the net till 09NOV92 those of you
 with a GEIS or GEnie connection will be able to join in the 
 RTC on page 475 on Tuesday the 20th at 4pm(NZST) and myself
 from Hong Kong.
 
 peace.on.the.nets

                                                  _
 Jon Clarke                                     o( )       
 jonc@status.gen.nz                            /  /\        GE: J.CLARKE6
 The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Auckland New Zealand      HSBC NZM  EBD
  
Newsgroups: nz.general
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Internet <-> Starnet mail
From: rob@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Rob Burrowes )
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 02:30:44 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept. University of Auckland
Keywords: internet, starnet
Summary: Can it be done?

We have a user wanting to get mail from starnet (telecoms net) to internet.
Can it be done? If so what form do the addresses need to take?


-- 

Rob Burrowes                   rob@cs.aukuni.ac.nz.
System Admin
Computer Science Dept., Auckland University, Private Bag, Auckland, New Zealand
Newsgroups: cs.general,nz.general
From: "Paul Purdom" <pwp@moose.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Free printer for school or something
Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 09:53:41 -0500

The paper for thermal printers is quite expensive, so this offer is a great
deal for someone who does a little printing,, but a poor deal for someone who
does a lot of printing. (My guess is that you could buy a new printer on the
paper savings after about 10,000 pages.)

(I hope these comments will help the printer find the home where it will be
most useful.)


Xref: sparky nz.general:1410 nz.netstatus:237
Newsgroups: nz.general,nz.netstatus
Subject: Re: nz.waffle?? (was Re: Hello....hello...is anybody home)
From: ford@pinn.nacjack.gen.nz (Jamie Walker)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 17:36:45 +1200
Organization: The Pinnacle Club BBS, Auckland, New Zealand. +64-9-615-382
Keywords: not NZ.*!

dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz writes:

> > There is absolutely nothing stopping two or more sites from exchanging 
> > their own newsgroup privately between them. Nothing at all. Why do you 
> > suggest otherwise?
> 
> He's not. What he is asking is that you don't give these groups 'nz.*'
> names. Bear in mind that *anything* with a 'nz.*' name gets sent to the
> USA, and Australia. They don't want to see random groups appearing
> in their junk boxes either.
> 
> The local groups here are 'manawatu.*'. Wellington has 'wgtn.*'
> 
> How about renaming the groups to 'Auck.*' or 'nacjack.*'?

You mean if I create a newsgroup which I send between me and say nacjack 
it'll automatically get sent overseas? Yeah, right. Only if the site 
sending overseas gets the newsgroup from the sites that are exchanging it 
amongst themselves.
From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: nz.waffle?? (was Re: Hello....hello...is anybody home)
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:47:10 GMT+12
Organization: It's Home, really...
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

Jamie Walker (ford@pinn.nacjack.gen.nz) wrote:
>
> You mean if I create a newsgroup which I send between me and say nacjack
> it'll automatically get sent overseas? Yeah, right. Only if the site
> sending overseas gets the newsgroup from the sites that are exchanging it
> amongst themselves.

    No. Not only did they not mean that, they didn't even say it. What all
the who-haw has been about is the 'danger' of creating a parallel
heirarchy, name-wise, when you also connect to the network which uses the
name you wish to use. Especially when the mechanisms for distribution are the
same for both networks.

    To take your example... If you have a dual network connection between
you and nacjack which is _only_ different in the distribution rules of
various groups, then should you wish to create a new newsgroup for your local
network it is YOUR responsibility to ensure that nacjack will not feed that
group onto the other network. Should you chose a name that is likely to
exist in some manner on the other network then it is likely that, unless
you make the appropriate noises, your new local group will be feed out. For
example, it is likely most NewZnet connections feed out ALL postings, not the
local heirarchy. We do an *,!wanganui feed to Vic. If you create your new
groups under a unique heirarchy it is a far easier task to manage the
containment of the local network, and still allows you the freedom to feed
to wherever you wish. It is also much easier for people to see that a
mistake has been made when a group 'escapes' and to resolve the problem.

    This has nothing to do with rights and rules, net.bad.people,
over-charging or any of the other bumpf that seems to have been slung
around recently. It has to do with common-sense, courtesy, and co-operation.
Which, as I understand it, is how the Internet (and by extension Usenet)
exists.

    (Sorry Tony, but I _said_ if they kept on for over a week...)

--
 Liam Greenwood ------ liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz ------ Wanganui, N.Z.
                 Don't tell my Mother I'm a programmer,
               she thinks I'm a piano player in a brothel

Newsgroups: nz.general
From: thetroll@rata.vuw.ac.nz (The Troll)
Subject: Re: nz.waffle?? (was Re: Hello....hello...is anybody home)
Organization: Computing Serv. Ctr, Victoria Uni., Wellington, New Zealand
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 07:34:57 GMT

In article <gm38RB4w165w@status.gen.nz> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:
>> In article <BsR5RB2w165w@status.gen.nz> jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) write
>> Awww fuuuuck up!
>> Nat. :-) :-)
>

> Nathan,
> Is this the same nathan that is the archiver.
Yes, it is, and guess who is next up the chain in management terms? 
As one of Nathan's managers I assume that he was speaking for himself, and
if you had read the USENET guidelines, you would remember that one point
they stress is that you should never assume that a poster is expressing
the policy of the organisation they work for, unless it is explicitly
stated. 

> newsgroup.  I can imagine you all using this in every day speach but 
> should the NZ education system turn out such horrible delights in
> public I shudder to think to your department in reality should you
> take this tone. In fact I for one resent such language and as a 
> tax payer of your ORGANISATION take offence to it very DEEPLY!

Jon, read the above. Notice the lack of sense, the fractured syntax. We're
all friends here, you can admit you are English impaired, and we'll gladly
lend you Strunk and White or "The Dictionary of Troublesome Words". 

BTW as a depositer with your bank (but not your branch, alas) I take grave
exception to the image you create of bank managers, I dislike the thought
that the profits from using my hard earned money are allowing you to post
to the net and shake confidence in the people who are running our banking
system. 

I suggest the next time you visit your local University, you check out
some of the ideas behind the founding of such institutions, including the
one that talks about providing a place where free speech can be heard...

--
Alex Heatley                                Computing Services Centre
Domain: Alex.Heatley@vuw.ac.nz              Victoria University of Wellington
From: liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz (Liam Greenwood)
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: nz.bbs.sysops
Date: 13 Oct 92 19:20:18 GMT+12
Organization: It's Home, really...
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

earthbound misfit, I (kilroy@acme.gen.nz) wrote:
>
> I was thinking along similar lines, perhaps nz.admin might be an idea. Suggests
> local news administration problems, as well as "admin" of the nz hierarchy.
> nz.general isn't really appropriate for this, and despite my own attempts to
> move things to nz.netstatus I don't really think that's what it's meant to be
> used for either.
    I don't mind what the name is, but it would be nice if it wasn't too
tightly tied to news.  There's a lot of people with news access who also
run BBSs. I think the nz news community is too small to have a group for
news administration and a seperate group for BBS running, and in NZ the two
are often intertwined.

    So.... my vote would be for nz.sys.admin and to cover the 'mechanics',
ethics(?), policies, techno-stuff etc. of Usenet news/mail, BBSs (including
Waffle), Fido-net stuff and related matters.

--
 Liam Greenwood ------ liam@durie.amigans.gen.nz ------ Wanganui, N.Z.
                 Don't tell my Mother I'm a programmer,
               she thinks I'm a piano player in a brothel
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: nz.bbs.sysops
From: jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 17:26:37 GMT
Organization: The Z*NET Global News Gateway. Parnell New Zealand

andy@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Andy Bond) writes:

> >That's 'cos most of the sites are mainframes.
> 
> What's a mainframe?  Would those using mainframes please stand up and
> be counted ...
> 
> andy

 
 Does an AS400 mini count :)

                                                  _
 Jon Clarke                                     o( )       
 jonc@status.gen.nz                            /  /\        GE: J.CLARKE6
 The Z*NET Global News Gateway in Auckland New Zealand      HSBC NZM  EBD
From: dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
Newsgroups: nz.general
Subject: Re: newsgroups, flames, et al.
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 19:19:03 +1300
Organization: The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)

jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:

>  Hang on a minute here Mr Brown.  I did not stuff up at all and I will
>  not admit to anything of the sort.

I'd call posting several hundred articles to a newsgroup without sending
out a newgroup for it first a fairly major stuffup.

>  This is great from the boy who reposted my alt.config to this news group
>  and had you taken the time to see the dates on those message you would 
>  see they were all posted BEFORE you started your flame wars.

I did check the dates. I have those articles archived. Want to read them
again?

>  nz.general is the area to post it to we do not need a new newsgroup
>  for bbs operators.

nz.general has been used by bbs people for lack of a better area.



dogbowl@dogbox.acme.gen.nz
The Dawghaus BBS, Palmerston North, New Zealand (+64 6 357 9245)


Newsgroups: nz.general
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: nz.waffle?? (was Re: Hello....hello...is anybody home)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 92 14:03:14 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand
Followup-To: poster

jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes:

> kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
> 
> > As for it using "the local network setup", guess what: you fucked up. I
>  
>  As the system administrator of your site I am a little upset to see not
>  once but twice in two different messages use of this sort of language.
>  As sysadmin YOU should KNOW better than to do this. 
>
> [...etc...]

As the original "fuck"-er in this thread, I've unfortunately had to applaud
from the sidelines as my week turned into a busy one.

However, several other people made appropriate comments instead, and I'd like
to thank them for it: Jon, for continuing to be sufficiently clueless enough
to give us plenty to make fun of; Nat, Alex, Charlie, and others, for so
eloquently telling Jon things I'd wanted to say myself; my parents; and of
course The Academy.

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342
"Jub'er lbh pnyyvat n obmb?"