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From: smith@ctron.com (Larry Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Warp Speed and Relativity?
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:26:16 GMT
Reply-To: smith@ctron.com
Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.

In article <1992Apr4.223425.10712@husc3.harvard.edu>, kim3@husc10.harvard.edu (Jason Kim) writes:
>In article <1992Apr2.174132.11549@b15.b15.ingr.com> smw@wikki.b15.ingr.com writes:
>>This is an IMHO... When traveling at warp speeds, the Enterprise never
>>"goes faster than the speed of light". Space is warped so that two points
>>
>>An analogy to this is a piece of string held tightly between your hands, and

>Oh my God can we say PLAGIARISM??! I seem to recall that "humble opinion"
>almost verbatim out of a kid's novel called  A WRINKLE IN TIME by Madeleine
>l'Engle.

Oh, lighten up, willya?  He said it was in his own humble opinion, he didn't
say he made it up all by himself.  The two are not the same, and if he failed
to provide a chapter-and-verse credit for all aspects of the idea then it
merely proves he's human.

>Jesus, just who the hell are you trying to kid, huh?

Lay off the caffeine.

>Besides, the idea of a TESSERACT is definitely NOT being used by Starfleet shipssince you can't change velocity (speed or direction) when you're one. Basically
>a tesseract is what Federation would call a wormhole.

The idea of a TESSERACT is totally misused in l'Engle's works.  A tesseract is
a well-defined mathematical concept in the here-and-now, it's a cube in 4
dimensions, and it has NOTHING to do with wormholes or warped space, and if
we buy the premise the Star Trek is our own future that doesn't seem likely
to change.

Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com) No, I don't speak for Cabletron.
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From: RADDAMSW@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Warp Field Collisions
Date: 7 Apr 92 10:54:00 GMT
Organization: University of Liverpool


I don't know about two ship's warp fields overlapping, but I seem to remember
near the beginning of ST1:The Movie  when they first accelerate to warp speeds
that a nearby asteroid was pulled into the warp field behind them, causing
all sorts of trouble (and weird special effects ;o). I presume that the
explaination goes along the lines of the asteroid not being properly contained
within the Enterprises warp field, and distorting it so much that it affected
the ship and crew detrimentaly (I can't remember what they did to get out of
trouble though...)

Steve JW.
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From: jwindley%asylum.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley)
Subject: Re: Phaser emitters (Re: TNG Tech Manual)
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:16:15 MDT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept


0juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
>___________________________________________________________________________
>According to Okada and Sternbach -STNG Tech manual, the saucer has an 
>aft-facing torpedo launcher, it is covered when the saucer section is coupled 
>to the star-drive section.
>____________________________________________________________________________

Yeah, you're right.  I assumed it was a forward launcher, but I looked
at the picture again.  I don't agree with placing it like that, but no
one asked me.

>_____________________________________________________________________________
>There is another explaination:  according to Okada and Sternbach's manual,
>there is a tractor beam emitter near the forward torpedo bay.  Probably,
>LaForge may have replaced the emitter with a phaser emitter -designed
>not to harm or hurt the Darmok ship; but unfortunately it also took the
>controls of the main phaser arrays off-line to do it.
>_____________________________________________________________________________

Nah, too contrived.  Phasers have variable power -- just adjust the
power level.  If there's no reason to take the ship apart, don't do
it.  Besides, I don't think you can just plug-n-go such massive and
special purpose hardware.

>> Because they just appear to be warp nacelles.  In my drawings they
>> don't even look much like warp nacelles.
>____________________________________________________________________
>Probably, they're landing skids.
>_____________________________________________________________________

...or fuel tanks, or storage compartments, or batteries, or a zillion
other things.  Of course, any of these allow them also to be landing
skids.

>>>then we can figure out
>>>what class the Enterprise was in ST V
>__________________________________________________________________________
>According to the engineers at Paramount Studios and Starlog -The Enterprise
>in ST V, is an Enterprise Class Heavy Cruiser.  I guess that prop schematic
>was done in a tight schedule that couldn't allow in a change at the time.

Well, Paramount must have changed its mind.  Both 1701 and 1701-A are
listed in the Tech Manual as CONSITITUTION class ships.
--------------------------------+---------------------------------------
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From: kellyfj@vax1.tcd.ie
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Q: Quad / KiloQuad, what is it ?
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:54:34 GMT
Organization: Trinity College Dublin

In article <1992Apr15.015300.14990@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, rbr4@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Roland Roberts) writes:
> In article <1992Apr14.164321.1@vax1.tcd.ie> kellyfj@vax1.tcd.ie writes:
>     Question:
> 
>     Whilst reading the ST:TNG tech manual by Sternbach and Okuda, I
>     came across the mention of a measure of computer storage called
>     a "Quad".  Can anyone tell me what it means and how it
>     translates into modern kilobytes or megabytes (if possible).
> 
> Its a big book---where is this referenced (page)?
> 
> roland

I'm not too sure of the page, but it's in the section which talks about the
Computers onboard the enterprise, and their capabilities and storage capacity.
The section describes the main computer core.
It's also mentioned at the back of the book in the glossary of terms used.

--Frank
From: v128nkej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Boggles the MIND)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: The streaks of light at warp-
Date: 7 Apr 92 17:34:00 GMT
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41




	I really think that the streaks of light at warp are just a nice little
touch to make the show more interesting to watch.
	And- NO I'm not going to say "It's just a show"-
	That's not what I mean.  Even technology that we have today is perked
up for the big screen (or the little one).  For anyone that hasn't seen
a real car blow up-or a builing get nailed by a missile (just watch CNN)  it's
just not as spectacular as the real thing- no big flash of flame-just 
Boom and a lot of dust.
	But who wants to see that?   Could anyone imagine watching a movie
like Star Wars when you can't even see the laser blasts.

	But then, of course, when we DO get to finally go 'warp' speed it might
extend beyond our expectations as reality often does.  Perhaps from the
refraction/reflection of the light from passing stars as it bends around the
warp field, would make a brilliant rainbow- OR PLAID LIKE IN SPACEBALLS.

		I think plaid will be cool-but who knows, perhaps A nice
peach color???   -jus' kiddin

		Jim
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Subject: Re: STII screens vs shields
From: Joel.Caesar@alpha.bgsu.edu (Joel Caesar)
Date: 11 Apr 92 23:30:34 GMT
Organization: The day begins at midnight - Fox BBS

I prefer to think of defensive screens as a surface type shield.  And the standard shields as being "suspended in space around the ship"
This would help protect the ship if a small craft were to penetrate the shield area.  I still don't know why they don't use a lot of fighter type craft in TNG 'cause if they were able to come up in the blind spot of a starship (they all have several) then they could do some damage.


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From: KELSEY@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (KELSEY, Michael H.)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Larry Niven (was Re: Transporter nightmares)
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:58:53 GMT
 <1992Apr9.153250.14722@gtech.com>
Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

In article <1992Apr9.153250.14722@gtech.com>, rbe@gtech.com (Robert B.
Easterbrooks) says:
>
[ Discussion of abuses of transporter technology ... ]                         :
>
>I agree, a very scary concept.  There was a story written many years ago which
>discussed the same problem with transporter booths, which need both a sending
>and receiving station to operate.  When I find the name of the story/author,
>I will post it for anyone who is interested.
>
>--
>Big Bad Bob

Don't bother.  Try "The Theory and Practice of Teleportation," by Larry Niven,
published in _All_the_Myriad_Ways_.  You might also try "Flash Crowd," "The
Last Days of the Permanent Floating Riot Gang", "The Alibi Machine," "All The
Bridges Rusting," all of which are short sotries by Larry Niven about the near
future in which teleportation technology is part of the infrastructure.  These
stories have been published in various of Niven's story collections.  You can
also look in _Ringworld_ and _The_Ringworld_Engineers_, also by Niven.

                                                -- Mike Kelsey

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What is your _name_?    "kelsey@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu"
What is your _quest_?   "To get a Ph.D. in high-energy physics"
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From: mbrockma@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Matt Brockman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech,rec.arts.startrek.misc
Subject: Re: ** Request for help on ST Tech paper **
Keywords: Thermodynamics
Date: 16 Apr 92 05:02:19 GMT
Organization: Twin Peaks Sheriff Department

In article <15APR199217131068@rosie.uh.edu> inde6tx@rosie.uh.edu (Jay Jimenez) writes:
> I am looking for some info. on how (and on which episodes) ST:TNG uses 
>technology or principles that break the laws of thermodynamics. My main
>concern is the misuse of laws :
>      1) Energy is conserved. (You can never get more energy out of a system
>         than you put in.OR. You can NEVER get more toothpaste out of the tube
>         than the toothpaste that was put in.)

I don't know where you get this idea!       If you
take the toothpaste tube and squeeze it really tight, 
you can get all the toothpaste out. But, if you then 
*roll the tube up* you can get much more toothpaste
out (maybe even as much as 3 or 4 days worth).

Matt
.
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From: v128nkej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Boggles the MIND)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Warp Field Collisions
Date: 12 Apr 92 01:01:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.1992Apr12.000215.4021
Organization: University at Buffalo
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <1999@transfer.stratus.com>, btarbox@sw.stratus.com (Brian Tarbox) writes...
>v128nkej@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Boggles the MIND) writes
> 
>> 	Perhaps a phenom. much like NASA pukes use to accelerate Galileo
> > 
>Where does a university punk get off calling NASA pukes?
>Grow up punk.

	I would usually not post a reply to a post such as this, but after
reconsidering what I wrote I thought that one might be in order.
	A friend of mine is going after an internship with NASA, and the 
NASA 'puke' was just to get a rise out of him, since I'm going for a
similar program for the Navy.  Navy puke is actually the derogatory term
he uses on me, I just modified it to annoy him for a change.
	Thank you for the chance to clear up this matter.  8^)

			Jim
From: wwo@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Dilithium replication
Date: 7 Apr 92 18:19:57 EST
Distribution: rec
Organization: Cornell University

In article <1992Apr07.080154.139971@zeus.calpoly.edu>,
jmartine@zeus.calpoly.edu (Joe Martinez) writes: 
>>          Dilithium can't be replicated for a simple reason... It has a 
>>"fourth" dimentional aspect to it (for lack of a better word). It extends into
>>the same dimention used for sub-space communications.
>>
> 
> Isn't Dilithium made of anti-matter? At least that's what my roommate told
> me.

If dilithium was made of anti-matter then the Enterprise would be in serious
trouble.  After all it is mounted in a bracket made of normal matter ;-(
From: rodri-r@acsu.buffalo.edu (Rene L. Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Asimov Lost
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:41:00 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Apr6.194938.7095@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> sdh5@po.CWRU.Edu (Scott D. Hurley) writes:
>
>Isaac Asimov, died this morning April 6, 1992 A.D.
>
>WHo's left?

	Our imaginations and the memories that he left behind.

RLR

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From: rll1@kepler.unh.edu (Robert L Lamothe)
Subject: Re: 10 Forward windows.....
Organization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:40:44 GMT

In article <1992Apr4.231127.10239@athena.mit.edu> tsimpson@athena.mit.edu (Troy W Simpson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr3.171153.27413@u.washington.edu> bunky@milton.u.washington.edu (Mike) writes:
>>In article <1992Mar30.200045.13659@nic.unh.edu> rll1@kepler.unh.edu (Robert L Lamothe) writes:
>>>In article <1992Mar24.012235.3853@sdf.lonestar.org> hutto@sdf.lonestar.org (Jon Hutto) writes:
>>>>In article <1992Mar22.233102.22665@seq.uncwil.edu> session@seq.uncwil.edu (Zack C. Sessions) writes:
>>>	Scotty used 6 inch thick plexiglass for the whale containers.  He
>>>gave the matrix for T/A to pay for it.
>>>					-Bob
>>
>>
>>This part of the movie always bugged me.  Why did they require a transparent
>>material?  Wouldn't regular steel or aluminum have done the job?
>>
>>Mike

	Probably but it would have been much more difficult to monitor the
Whales if they had used a non transparent substance.
							-Bob
From: eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Transporter energy requirements
Date: 9 Apr 92 21:08:54 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington MA
Originator: eaustin@ll.mit.edu (Eric J. Austin)


In article <1992Apr9.163854.26250@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr9.153250.14722@gtech.com> rbe@gtech.com (Robert B. Easterbrooks) writes:
|>>I seem to recall from an ST novel (possibly the novelization of a movie) that
|>>the transporter is NOT energy cost effective, and is not used on Earth except
|>>by the rich and VIPs.  On space vessels, however, it is considered cost      
|>>effective considering the alternatives (shuttles to the surface, shuttles or
|>>individual suit packs to other ships, etc.) and also considering the amount
|>>of energy available in the standard matter/anti-matter converter.
|> 
|>It's not 'canon', but that conclusion is required by common sense... the thing
|>even *looks* like it uses enormous amounts of energy.
|> 

Actually, I don't think it does use that much energy. In "The Outcast"
there was a scene where Riker and Soren tried to beam two people and failed.
Soren then announced that that had used up something like 10 MJ of their
energy supply (this is from memory so I may be a bit off) which is not
really an outragous amount of energy. My car battery, for example, can
put out something like 2.16 MJ ( 50 A hr * 12 V). The power is rather
high (say 5 seconds to transport so 2 MW) but this is still nothing
to get excited about.

Now if someone will come up with the electronics I will be happy to donate
my car battery to a transporter. :)

-- 
 Eric J. Austin                       EMAIL: eaustin@ll.mit.edu
From: roy@ug.cs.dal.ca (David Roy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: >>>stardate conversion
Date: 9 Apr 92 11:18:30 GMT
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada


We may have been given a frame of reference, BUT, the stardate is made up
from information like the season of the episode, and the episode number..
The only way we could say that it would be convertable would be to say that
each episode takes the same time... not true.  I do agree that we can
make an approximate guess at the year and month, but an exact conversion
for Stardate and OEC is not gonna be around, yet anyway...

(P.S.  I even have a small Stardate conversion prog that runs on unix!)

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From: zimerman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob Ben-david Zimmerman)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: Warp Field Collisions
Date: 16 Apr 92 19:42:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: Princeto.1992Apr16.194243.2904
Organization: Princeton University
Originator: news@ernie.Princeton.EDU

In article <92107.010556UD124895@NDSUVM1.BITNET> <UD124895@NDSUVM1.BITNET> writes:
>  In regards to Andy C. Saylor's question about warp fields, The book
>"My Enemy, My Ally" by Diane Duane has the Enterprise and Intrepid
>overlapping their warp fields with a Romulan ship (Bloodwing) to
>gain some speed.  I seem to remeber the book saying something about
>this being dangerous.  "non-cannon" but a good book with a good idea
>and explanation (wish I could quote....but the book is not with)

Book spoilers, My Enemy My Ally:

Couldn't resist- I love this book. The incident actually occurs when the
Enterprise and the "new" Intrepid ( non-canon, I believe) are fleeing
from a covert mission in Rihannsu space, in the company of a slower
Rihannsu vessel (ChR 63 Bloodwing, I think...been awhile) and the
captain of the Intrepid asks if the Bloodwing can maintain a "warp eleven
cruise." (no canon-fodder, please) Since it cannot, the E and the
Intrepid synchronize warpfields with the Bloodwing and essentially "tow"
it to Warp eleven.  Kirk mentions that this is dangerous even among
ships of identical type, implying of course that it is downright silly
with ships of differnt types.   Great book, that.  However, in the
context of warpfield collisions, it should be remembered that this was
a deliberate action, with low closing speed as they were cruising
abreast before merging warpifields, and they had enough of a clear
datachannel to transmit tactical info, meaning they could probably tie
in their warp controllers to sync the fields.  
 

>                    Matthew McCowan
>                    GTA/GSA Computer Science
>                    University of North Dakota

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From: 0juan_e@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.tech
Subject: Re: New shuttle craft, something other than Trek vs Star Wars
Date: 7 Apr 92 22:00:54 GMT
Organization: St. Peter's College, US


Sorry Dan,

Have to use your post to answer Mr. Iacovone's quest but due to the 
wisdom of the system supervisor here -I can only access internet in
a limited way.  Anyway, I hope my answer to this might answer any 
questions you have.
________________________________________________________________________________
In article <1992Mar31.061145.22345@zeus.franklin.edu>, 
iacovone@zeus.franklin.edu (Daniel R. Iacovone) writes:
> In article <1992Mar25.142619.23430@ll.mit.edu> eaustin@ll.mit.edu 
> (Eric J. Austin) writes:
>>
>>In the episode "The Outcast" a new shuttle was shown that was described
>>as having a 1250 millicochran warp drive. Since this is equal to 1.25 cochran
>>does that mean that this shuttle is capable of real warp speeds, i.e., travel
>>faster the speed of light? Do the old shuttles go FTL? I thought not but
>>I am not really into Trek Tech. What do the "experts" say.
>>
> I do not know if this is canon but I do remember reading that 
> some of the shuttles can reach up to 2.0 - 4.0 warp.  Thereare about 4
> different shuttles on the E.  I do not have the tech manual so I 
> can not name them.
> Hope this answers your question.
_______________________________________________________________________________
In the STNG Tech manual by Okada and (I forgot the other guy),
that shuttle is a medium range warp shuttle, capable of 1.4 warp.
In the book also, 1 cochran is equal to warp 1.

This shuttle also appeared in the episode where Geordi was brainwashed,
by the Romulans, to kill a Klingon Ambassador, as a Federation plot.


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From: HSUSA00@ricevm1.rice.edu (Susarla, H. Krishna)
Subject: Re: Star Fleet Battles
Organization: Rice University, Houston, TX
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:40:08 GMT




In Star Fleet Battles, if every hex is 10,000 kilometers, and one hex per turn
is warp one (the speed of light), then I calculate that each turn is is less
than a tenth of a second...Someone tell me if I'm wrong. I guess this means
that SF battles is definitely outside the realm of possibility....