HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Erik Naggum <erik@naggum.no>
Reply-To: Erik Naggum <enag@ifi.uio.no>
Date: 13 Dec 1992 13:34:39 +0100
Subject: Re: A Paper on the Social Forces Behind the Development of Usenet

[Tom Limoncelli]
:
|   I think the author of this paper should go back and re-read the FAQ
|   on what Usenet is NOT.

[Ken Arromdee]
:
|   Your own argument betrays you here.  Since Usenet is an anarchy,
|   there's no real reason he should accept that FAQ as an authoritative
|   description of Usenet.

Sorry, but you've got "anarchy" all wrong.  Anarchy means "no ruler", or
"no ruling power".  It does _not_ mean "no rules", or "no authorities".
All it means is "absence of a legally sanctioned force to make people
obey rules or authorities".  However, people living in an anarchy like
order and strive to create it as much as anywhere else, i.e., they will
obey rules and authorities when they find them to be productive to their
ends.  The neat thing with an anarchy is that its members can _choose_
the rules and authorities, on an individual basis.

A democracy, on the other hand, has nothing to do with making individual
choices for oneself.  It has to do with having a power structure to
ensure that all its members (citizens) obey the choices made by a
majority.  That people make "tentative choices" and submit them to a
counting system that returns which of them is the most popular and then
discards the other choices, does not affect the end result that people
are still ruled, but the rulers are governed by the votes.

Whether people in a democracy are free or not, depends on what the
majority can make the minority do, i.e., the constitution which rules
the democratic power structures.

For Americans, where "democracy" usually means "freedom", this
distinction is probably as foreign as the countries in which "democracy"
means "tyrrany by (the representatives of) the majority", such as in
Norway and in Israel.

Thus, your association of "freedom" with "democracy" is as bogus as your
association of "disorder, chaos" with "anarchy".

Best regards,
</Erik>
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From: D.Watson@lut.ac.uk (David Watson)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Amstrad PC1640
Date: 11 Dec 92 16:14:23 GMT
Reply-To: D.Watson@lut.ac.uk (David Watson)
Organization: Loughborough University, UK.


I would like to know if it possible to re-wire the joystick port on the
back of the Amstrad 1640 to use the cursor keys for games playing. If not is
it possible to wire in a new connector?

Also, can anybody recommend any anonymous ftp site with any good PC games
and utilities?

Thank you.

David.
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From: tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
Newsgroups: comp.misc,news.misc,comp.bbs.misc,alt.amateur-comp,alt.culture.usenet,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: A Paper on the Social Forces Behind the Development of Usenet
Date: 11 Dec 1992 16:26:14 -0500
Organization: Mentor Graphics -- IC Group
NNTP-Posting-Host: milk.warren.mentorg.com

In <1992Dec11.002711.8145@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

>In article <1g8k4hINN3d2@milk.Warren.MENTORG.COM> tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:

>>I think the author of this paper should go back and re-read the FAQ on
>>what Usenet is NOT.

>Your own argument betrays you here.  Since Usenet is an anarchy, there's no
>real reason he should accept that FAQ as an authoritative description of
>Usenet.

WRONG!  It's not only an authoritative description of Usenet, it is all
100% FACTS.  In fact, (see? another fact!) it describes the history all
of networks.  It describes the history of all history.  It even has a
chapter about the town you were born in.  In fact, it covers your
birth!  It's 843 volumes long! ...oops, wrong reality.

----

I didn't say it was an authoritative description of anything.  I also
didn't say that it is a description of what *is* Usenet.

Have you read it yourself?  It is a very well-written discussion about
what Usenet isn't.  Nothing more.  However it would have been useful
in preparing the paper.  I hope the paper gets a good grade.

Tom

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Newsgroups: comp.misc,news.misc,comp.bbs.misc,alt.amateur-comp,alt.culture.usenet
From: js4369@eehp5 ()
Subject: Public Unixes?
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 04:59:15 GMT

Would someone be ever so kind as to post a list of public Unix Sites?
Thanks in advanced.  :-)
                                       -mercutio (jsulliva@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu)
"You mean its not a tomato plant? I'm as shocked as you are officer!"

Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: les@chinet.chi.il.us (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: group mail software
Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 16:14:15 GMT

In article <185@ima.com> kehres@ima.com (Tim Kehres) writes:
>In article <1992Dec10.220409.41003@wap.oau.org> bdixon@wap.oau.org (Bill Dixon) writes:
>: I am looking for some software to create and manage a "mail network".

>Actually, to me at least, this seems like a problem much better suited to
>news than mail.  All you really have to do is to define your own top level
>group, and propagate it within your company or user group.  Advantages are
>that the software and transports are already in place, can communicate
>individually through email, ..... , and all the other normal arguments for
>using news.

Maybe, maybe not.  The only real advantage to news is that it keeps one
copy per machine and may have a more efficient transport using compressed
batches.  If your user base is distributed such that you often only have
one interested user per machine then the advantage disappears.  Plus,
email goes to many more machines than news.  If you receive email locally
but have to connect elsewhere to read news on-line, then the advantage
goes to email.  All you really need for a mailing list is a hub machine
to host it that is running a mail transport that knows how to expand a
list of addresses.  It helps if the mailer is smart enough to group
addresses with the same "next-hop" destination.  Smail3, sendmail, and
mmdf can do that, and at least the first 2 can be set up so the
system address list or alias can include a file maintained by an
unprivilaged user.

Les Mikesell
  les@chinet.chi.il.us

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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: comp.misc,news.misc,comp.bbs.misc,alt.amateur-comp,alt.culture.usenet
Subject: Re: A Paper on the Social Forces Behind the Development of Usenet
Keywords: Usenet Pioneers Democracy News grass roots
Date: 11 Dec 92 19:46:11 GMT
Followup-To: comp.misc
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes:

>chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:

>behind the development of Usenet, apathy.

He probably meant to do a section on apathy but never got around to it.

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Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.programming
From: hdwayne@a.cs.okstate.edu (Hunter Dwayne)
Subject: Network "Linda" Anyone?
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 15:59:09 GMT



Has anyone had experience(s) (good or bad) with Network "Linda"
in a SUN OS environment?

(Linda is a parallel computing language/environment originally
written by David Gelernter and is now being distributed by
Scientific Computing Associates, Inc.)

Please e-mail responses to me.

Thanks.
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Department of Agronomy
From: jtien@verdi.eng.uci.edu (Joe Tien)
Subject: listing software programs as reference
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Reply-To: jtien@verdi.eng.uci.edu (Joe Tien)
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 20 Dec 92 00:02:58 GMT


Hi,

I used several software packages/programs in my research and would like to know
what's the appropriate format to reference to them.  Could someone enlighten me
on this matter.

Thanks,

Joe Tien
jtien@balboa.eng.uci.edu
From: jlb13@po.CWRU.Edu (Julianne L. Babel)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: For Sale:  MAC Powerbook 180
Date: 12 Dec 1992 03:48:05 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: jlb13@po.CWRU.Edu (Julianne L. Babel)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


For Sale:  Brand new MAC Powerbook 180, 120 MB HD includes all
          packing and warranties.  Best offer by Monday the 14th.
          If you send e-mail to Adler@NU1.UH.CWRU.EDU it will be 
          recieved on Monday.  If you leave a phone message at 
          216-844-8144 your message will be recieved sooner.
 
                    Thank you
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Newsgroups: comp.misc,news.misc,comp.bbs.misc,alt.amateur-comp,alt.culture.usenet
From: landers@comm.mgmt.purdue.edu (Hazard Class Mage)
Subject: Re: A Paper on the Social Forces Behind the Development of Usenet
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:08:20 GMT
Organization: Sanctury Mage Guild

In article <1g8k4hINN3d2@milk.Warren.MENTORG.COM> tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:
>Usenet is an anarchy.  It is not governed by rules.  It is governed by
>social constructs.  The fact that you have misinterpreted certain
>social constructs as democracy is due to the fact that all you have
>ever seen is a democracy.

All he has ever seen is democracy?!?  
Go back to POL 101.  The United States is not a democracy, it never has 
been, it was never intended to be.

Bill Clinton was not elected by the will of the majority.  He was elected 
according to rules designed to _prevent_ the popular will of the people from 
determining our national leader.  

Usenet is as much a representation of democracy as is the United States.

  <===============================><=======================================>
  || Christopher Landers          || Gravity:  It's not just a good idea, ||
  || landers@comm.mgmt.purdue.edu ||           It's the law!              ||
  <===============================><=======================================>
From: ajayshah@alhena.usc.edu (Ajay Shah)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Here is some market share data
Date: 14 Dec 1992 15:01:13 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: alhena.usc.edu

World computer market share (%)
-------------------------------

                                1991            1996

DOS, Windows, Netware           37.0            40.0
Unix                            11.6            21.0
IBM Mainframe                   17.4            14.4
VAX/VMS                          3.7             2.6
IBM minis                        4.1             4.0
Macintosh                        3.6             4.6
Other                           22.6            13.4

Totally                         $155e9

1996 projections are by IDC


1993 Unix hardware sales
------------------------

                        Units           $billion        installed-base

Workstations            876k            14.1            2.755e6
Midrange                583k             7.4            0.931e6
Large-scale             223              1.8            673
PC Unix                 425k             0.6            1.813e6

Total                   1.46e6          23.9e9          6.535e6

Source: ITG


(All taken from Unix World, Jan 1993).
-- 
Ajay Shah, (213)749-8133, ajayshah@rcf.usc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.misc,news.misc,comp.bbs.misc,alt.amateur-comp,alt.culture.usenet
From: vancleef@garg.arc.nasa.gov (Robert VanCleef)
Subject: Re: A Paper on the Social Forces Behind the Development of Usenet
Organization: NASA/Ames Research Center
Distribution: World
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 21:14:06 GMT

In article <1992Dec11.175634.21408@cs.sfu.ca>, shell@cs.sfu.ca (Barry Shell) writes:
|> 
|> Not sure how apathy applies, because there seems to be a tremendous
|> amount of activity here.
|> 
What percentage of the Usenet population actually participates in any
of the "activity"? The relatively large percentage of "lurkers" defines
the level of apathy.

Bob
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Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: emelton@iat.holonet.net (Edwin Melton)
Subject: Ram Parity Error, NMI problem??
Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058/modem
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:34:35 GMT

Hello,
	I was wondering if anyone can help me with my problem, and I
apologize if this is the wrong group, but I couldn't find one that I
thought was more suited to this question.
	
	My problem is that I had 4M of SIMMS (3 chip) installed in 4 1M
increments into my Positive Corp. 386SX Clone, and when I use the
smartdrv.sys driver, I will get an error that says "Ram Parity Error,
press ESC to turn off NMI, any other key to reboot...".  My original
system setup had 4 256K (3chip) SIMMS installed and it worked fine with
the smartdrv.sys driver but it only cached 192K, which is not ideal for
what I wish to accomplish.

	My questions are as follows:
1.) What are the possible causes of this error?  I have been told many
different explanations from bad chips(RAM), to bad interface between my
BIOS and my RAM, using 3-chip RAMS instead of 9-chip, they all seem
feasible, however I need to know which is correct.
2.) What are my options?  And the ramifications of those options?

	Any help is greatly appreciated in advance....

BTW, I am running DOS5.0, both IBM-dos & MS-dos produce the same error.

-Ed Melton
emelton@holonet.net

Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: umpicton@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Paul Joseph Picton)
Subject: Mouse port to Joystick
Keywords: Mouse Joystick
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 06:32:46 GMT

I want to use a joystick on my notebook computer but do not room
for a gameport, but it holds a mouse port and a serial port.  
Can I make an adaptor to allow a joystick to work in a standard
mouse or serial port?  Thanks.

Paul Picton
email: umpicton.ccu.umanitoba.ca
~.

Newsgroups: comp.misc,news.misc,comp.bbs.misc,alt.amateur-comp,alt.culture.usenet
From: Thomas.Weihrich@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Thomas Weihrich)
Subject: Re: Avoid ZEOS
Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 12:57:45 GMT

Ok, since there seem to be enough witnesses, there is one thing you can
do. Sue them for any damage - your roommate and ZEOS have made a
contract and ZEOS seems not to be fulfilling it. Look for a lawyer near
you, sue them for the bucks you sent in, plus the computer plus 10 000
USD penalty for not fullfilling the contract. A good lawyer should be
able to get you your money back.

Just my 2 cents ...

Thomas
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Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: timhu@ico.isc.com (Timothy Hu)
Subject: Re: Help identify this tape drive...
Organization: Interactive Systems Corp., Boulder CO
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:49:36 GMT

Try:

313-930-9177

or 

214-458-1856


Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: mazzucch@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (massimo mazzucchi)
Subject: INFO DAS 9200
Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 13:04:51 GMT


Hi 

i am MAx Form Milan Italy

I have a program DAS 9200 of Techtronic this is a emulaton of

processor but i have the problems about it.

If you know it, please write me.


Bye Max


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Newsgroups: comp.misc,news.misc,comp.bbs.misc,alt.amateur-comp,alt.culture.usenet
From: shell@cs.sfu.ca (Barry Shell)
Subject: Re: A Paper on the Social Forces Behind the Development of Usenet
Organization: CSS, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Distribution: World
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 17:56:34 GMT

Various people have been calling the driving force behind Usenet, 
and you might also expand it to the Internet in general (I think)
is variously democracy, anarchy, and apathy.

Not sure how apathy applies, because there seems to be a tremendous
amount of activity here.

I actually believe that the concept of Internet as cooperative
anarchy is _THE_ single reason why it is now exploding population-wise.
Where else on earth can you find such a community based on such
an atractive political structure? People are desperately seeking
an alternative to "democracy". Witness Perot, etc...
The Internet is the only easily accessible alternative for millions
of people on the planet today.

I wonder when political leaders, the ruling elite, etc.. will take
notice. And as many have noted, how much longer have we got to
enjoy this delightful state of affairs?

Newsgroups: comp.misc
From: ljnelson@unix.amherst.edu (LAiRD j. NeLSoN)
Subject: Avoid ZEOS II: The Saga Continues
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1992 19:00:15 GMT

Well, I am so thoroughly disgusted with the half-assed customer "support" 
department at ZEOS that I thought I would just post each major setback
as it comes down the pike.

To recap: My roommate ordered a 486/50 upgrade (motherboard swap).  He shipped
his ZEOS computer off to Minnesota, completed the sale in 2 or 3 quick days,
and was promised a 10-day UPS turnaround.  This was on November 11.

Today is December 12th.  According to every person my roommate has spoken to,
his computer "will be shipping today FedEx at no charge to you."  He began
making these inquisitive phone calls at the beginning of December.  If you
do the math, that means 12 days of his computer being "ready to ship today
FedEx."  Yesterday, after a particularly irate exchange, we got a call from
somebody in shipping who said that the computer was on the FedEx truck and 
my roommate could expect it today, Saturday.

Feeling suspicious, he called Federal Express today, not having received his
computer.

Sure enough, they have no record of the computer ever having entered their
shipping network.

I can understand a bunch of terminally stupid people somehow, by pure chance,
ending up screwing people over in the same "support" department, but outright
*LYING?*  This is a new level--not previously reached--of pure, unadulterated
idiocy.

Again, with a buck-passing, screwed-up, utterly clueless, decidedly surly and
absolutely mind-bogglingly *stupid* customer support staff, ZEOS International
ought not to receive your business.

LAiRD

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Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.unix.misc
From: erwin@nioz.nl (Erwin Embsen)
Subject: Literature System
Originator: erwin@nioz.nl
Keywords: Literature, Publish or Perish
Organization: Nederlands Instituut voor Onderzoek der Zee (NIOZ)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 13:17:34 GMT

Hi,

Some people at the Netherlands Institute for Sea Research use
literature systems like 'Publish or Perish' and 'EndNote' on Apple
Macintosh computers. These programs are used to archive literature
(titles, authors, etc...) and to retrieve information from the
literature database.  I am wondering if such systems, like the ones
mentioned above, exist for MSDOS and/or UNIX. (I already consulted
archie databases but could not find anything relating to this subject).
Could somebody point me at either freeware or commericial products
relating to 'literature storage and retrieval'.  Any information will
be highly appreciated.

Erwin.
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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: comp.misc,news.misc,comp.bbs.misc,alt.amateur-comp,alt.culture.usenet
Subject: Re: A Paper on the Social Forces Behind the Development of Usenet
Keywords: Usenet Pioneers Democracy News grass roots
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:25:56 GMT
Followup-To: comp.misc
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

hansm@cs.kun.nl (Hans Mulder) writes:

> We all know the Death of Usenet is imminent.

And has been since 1981. 

>Film at 11.

If it survives that long.

chuq (one of these days, of course, we'll be right, too)

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From: chuq@Apple.COM (Eeyore's Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: comp.misc,news.misc,comp.bbs.misc,alt.amateur-comp,alt.culture.usenet
Subject: Re: A Paper on the Social Forces Behind the Development of Usenet
Date: 12 Dec 92 22:27:22 GMT
Followup-To: comp.misc
Organization: Pooh Corner Country Club -- A Planned Community

tal@Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli) writes:

>In article <1992Dec10.192501.181@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

>*plonk*

>No.    No no no.

>Let's try this again.

Tom, you may not have noticed. You're arguing with Ken Aroomdee. Logic won't
work. Try hallucinatory drugs or something, it'll have a better chance.

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                      Member, SFWA =+= Editor, OtherRealms
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                       Sterling Holloway: We'll miss you.