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From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Subject: Re: Info Request for CO at Sandy Hook ??
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 18:27:14 GMT

From article <1992Apr8.114905.27753@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>, by bs24@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Bruce Sarte):
> 
> 	I have read here quite a while ago about the CO beach
> 	at Sandy Hook State Park.  Can anyone out there give
> 	directions on how to get there.  I know how to get to
> 	Sandy Hook, but not where the CO beach is at.

It's repost time.  Maybe this belongs in the FAQ list.

Enter Sandy Hook from State Highway 36 and proceed north from the toll
booths (where they collect the beach parking fee).  Continue past the
Ranger station (which still looks like the checkpoint it used to be)
without stopping.  After a couple of miles you turn right at a sign
that points to North Beach and Gunnison Beach.  After about another
mile, do not take the right turn to North Beach, because you are
already at Gunnison Beach.  Take the entrance to Parking Lot G on the
left, park, walk the trail to the beach, and bear right as you hit the
sand.  Naturists will be visible within a quarter of a mile.

							Marty
marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)	
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From: steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Steve Pierce)
Subject: Re: Beaches FAQ
Organization: We don't need no stinkin' batches!
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 17:15:53 GMT

middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
>Perhaps a separate "Nude Beaches and Resorts FAQ" is in order.  It should
>be short but could be used as a starters list.  Sandy Hook, Blacks Beach,
>and Wreck Beach should all be on it.  Perhaps a popular Florida beach too.

>Any thoughts on this?
  If people will send the directions for the above mentioned beaches, I make
a FAQ file to post (I have the Sandy Hook directions from the earlier post
and of course I know where Playalinda is :-).

Yours, naturally,
  Steve
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From: Francene.Florio@mcastl.ieee.org (Francene Florio)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Info Request for CO at Sandy Hook ??
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:56:00 GMT
Article-I.D.: zeus.13473.29E3BAC9
Organization: Merlin's Castle BBS, Hasbrouck Hts., NJ

Once you're in the park a ter you have went through and paid.  Go straight and
follow signs for Gunison Beach, Parking Lot G.  Afrancene
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From: erno@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Erno Pena)
Subject: Re: Nudity in the Mainstream
Reply-To: erno@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 05:44:15 GMT

Rick Lewis writes
-Second and more significantly, The Atlantic, a very old and very 
-respected magazine in the May issue I just received contains an
-ad for The Naturist Society of Oshkosh.  The ad offers the World
-Guide for $24.95 postpaid  and a one hour video "The Beginners 
-Guide to Skinnydipping" for $34.95.  or both for 52.95.  

I also saw the same ad in _Outside_ Magazine. I sent off my check for $24.95  
for the World Guide as soon as I got home. BTW, how long until I get it? 

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From: jtan@cc.weber.edu (THE TAN MAN)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Women more modest?
Date: 7 Apr 92 02:33:00 GMT
Reply-To: JTAN@cc.weber.edu
Organization: Weber State University CS Department
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41

In article <53283@hydra.gatech.EDU>, lt4@prism.gatech.EDU (Laurie Tucker)
writes...
>Because intelligent and brave people can overcome their "conditioning"
>and do what they decide for themselves is OK.  
> 
>I say this because I think that when we're brought up, we're often
>told "do this" or "don't do that" with little or no explanation.  But
>because we're children and believe that our parents (or elders) *know*
>what's right and what's wrong, we do what they say, often without
>questioning.  When we grow up, some of us start wondering exactly why
>we're doing the things that we're doing.  Sometimes we find out that
>there is no good reason, and then decide how *we* want to do things,
>instead of blindly following our "conditioning".  And if we're brave
>enough (new things often require at least a little bit of courage), we
>do what *we* decide is right for us.

	How true:  it takes A LOT of courage
to do things differently than how one is brought
up.  Traditionally, boys have been brought up
to be "macho" and aggressive and be-the-leader, etc.,
whereas girls are taught to be caring, sympathetic,
patch-things-back-together, etc.
	How sad it is to grow up and realize, as a
male, that the might-is-power patriarchy that is
taught to us has no place in a world that is slowly
but surely becoming one giant community.  Actually,
the only sad part is the fact that the majority of
parents today continue to teach their children these
silly stereotypes.  The fact that eco-feminism is
the better path toward a peaceful, loving community
is very refreshing - not at all sad!

The Highest Love and Peace

The Tan Man
Johnn Tan
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From: bote@access.digex.com (John Boteler)
Subject: Re: Some Questions
Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 06:25:23 GMT

In article <1992Apr3.152652.404@ncsu.edu> ypotlap@eos03a-16pa.eos.ncsu.edu (YASHOVARDHAN R. POTLAPALLI) writes:
>I had the following questions :
>1: Is it safe to take part in sports while nude? 

It depends on the sport. There are safe ways of comporting
oneself even when it might appear unsafe at first.

For example, jogging nude is not only enjoyable, but it 
teaches one how to find one's own rythm :)

>2: With all this talk about Ozone depletion, is it safe to be nude and expose 
>oneself to UV radiation for long periods of time?  

No. Not for long periods of time. But that was always true.

The key is to be reasonable (funny how that keeps coming up).
Exposure to the sun is absolutely necessary for life.
The sun helps the body produce Vitamin D, improves
one's general mood, and stabilizes sleep cycles.

Excesses are generally bad. Excessive sun is bad, of course.
Wear #8 or #15 sunscreen and take the sun during
off-peak times (just like long distance telephone calls).
Runs on the beach at sunrise are downright neat,
and an afternoon swim or surfing session can't be beat.
You can even vacuum your carpet nude. How about that?!

>3: Wouldn't one get more dirty if one was nude because the dirt that now the 
>clothes pick up will stick to the body.

That's what showers are for.  I don't rebuild my
car's engine nude, for crying out loud. I wear clothes 
when it is reasonable to do so.

>Frankly, I don't see the point of being nude.  However, this does not mean I 
>oppose other people being nude.  

I only wish the rest of the world were as reasonable as you are.

But, consider: you don't see the point of being nude, but
maybe you have the question reversed. After all, you're
born nude and you likely bathe nude, so there are two
points. 

I need a good reason to get dressed, since I am naturally nude 
to start with. If you hand me a good reason, then I'll get dressed.

No hay problemo.

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From: davel@hfnet.bt.co.uk (Dave Linton)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re:  Freikoerperkultur (was Public Pools)
Date: 7 Apr 92 15:17:19 GMT
Reply-To: davel@hfnet.bt.co.uk (Dave Linton)
Organization: BT Labs (British Telecommunications plc)

In article <1992Apr6.180527.21072@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de>, PATZNER@rhea.informatik.uni-bonn.de (Achim Patzner) writes with 
respect to Freikoerperkultur:
|> ... the complete explanation will be too long and too boring.

Please do post, I'm interested for one - people can always skip 
articles if they find them too long and/or boring.

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From: dank@blacks.jpl.nasa.gov (Dan Kegel)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Public Pools
Date: 7 Apr 92 16:41:30 GMT
Organization: Image Analysis Systems Group, JPL

PATZNER@rhea.informatik.uni-bonn.de (Achim Patzner) writes:
>> I have never seen anyone in a sauna in Germany with a bathing suit.
>I have... and it was probably the most embarassing situation in that
>person's whole life. Just one question: Are other people really wearing
>CLOTHES in saunas? Towels maybe, but anything else?
>Achim

I've never seen anything but towels, except perhaps when someone's just
popping in for a short sauna after swimming.  Towels are enough to
satisfy most people's craving for clothing :-)
- Dan Kegel
From: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Strange weather.
Date: 13 Apr 92 03:31:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: usenet.1992Apr13.033112.15816
Reply-To: an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)


In a previous article, tdsmith@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Timothy Smith) says:
>
>ObNude: It was 80 degrees here yesterday, and I had to stay inside.
>Ahhhrrrrggggg!

It was 80 degrees yesterday here too, but today it didn't even
make to 50 degrees.  We have very strange weather here in SW
Ohio.

Au naturel Paul 

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From: craig@cattnts (Craig Campbell)
Subject: Re: help for new person?
Organization: AT&T / NCR Canada Ltd., Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1992 20:29:36 GMT

In article <1992Apr1.185157.17821@unixg.ubc.ca> arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett) writes:

>As an aside on the subject of naturalists taking off their clothes:
>there was an article in National Geographic last year about spelunking.
>These particular spelunkers did some scuba diving in some of the cave pools
>and the article mentioned that they were naked (except for the scuba gear)
>so as to minimize the contamination of the cave environment.  (No, I don't
>recall any pictures of their nude swimming.)

In general, scuba divers are not a modest crowd.  Most of the 'clothing' is
for warmth.  And as for cave divers, 1)  they have so much diving gear that it
is quite possible no-one would notice the lack of a bathing suit...
2)  Who would want to wear/carry out additional unneeded wet clothing (the
gear is heavy enough) and 3)  who's going to see you in a cave underwater?


>Cheers. Bill.

>Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca


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From: elogan@dbaix.oc.com (Ernie Logan)
Subject: Re: Women more modest?
Organization: OpenConnect Systems
Date:  9 Apr 92 14:23:24 GMT


In rec.nude you write:

>mack@jasmin.zko.dec.com (Ralph Mack) writes: 
>> Curiously, there are some simple ways in which people express their
>> non-sexual affection for one another physically that nudists, at
>> least in New England, seldom do, even if they know each other very
>> well. For instance, we seldom ever hug when nude. We seldom pack
>> in together but tend to disperse like a gas to fill the space.
>> (Check this out next time you visit the sauna!)  We seem to avoid
>> skin even casually brushing skin. Nudity somehow seems to preclude
>> all of those warm-fuzzy things that are a part of belonging to one
>> another.  

>My experiences (in New England, even) have been somewhat different.

Indeed, my experience is that nudists, if anything, are warmer and more
friendly than my non nudist friends, at least in general. All my friends 
who are nudists tend to hug and/or kiss in greeting, and we definitely do
not have any aversion to packing in close in the hot tub, or around the
dinner table at the monthly pot-luck dinner. If things are so different in 
New England, perhaps the difference is that New Englanders are reputed to
be more reserved in general than us Southerners. :)
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From: ah157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rob Henry)
Subject: Cleveland Gatherings
Reply-To: ah157@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Rob Henry)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 92 01:59:32 GMT



Since it's finally warm in cleveland now, does anyone have any info on
gatherings/events in this area?
Please leave me MAIL
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From: mbb@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (martin.brilliant)
Subject: Judging bodies (was Re: Women more modest?)
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 15:12:36 GMT

From article <52902@mimsy.umd.edu>, by jerrys@umiacs.umd.edu (Jerry Sobieski):

[ lots of stuff omitted, so I'm quoting out of context ]

> My experience has been (after knowing the folks) that most folks
> get lazy about maintaining their physique as they get older ....
> .... a [excessive] beer belly on a 35 
> year old fellow who was an athlete in college is normally going to be 
> simply "letting themselves go".  Or a 30 year old woman who gains 50 
> lbs after getting married.  People change as their lives progress. If,
> in the case of weight, they fail to change their eating habits as their
> activity levels drop, they are being lazy. 

I would like to resist the temptation to judge people, or to put
opinions in moral terms.  "Lazy" is a loaded word; it implies a
negative judgment.

I thought naturists were supposed to be basically accepting.  We
appreciate the benefits of good health, and of being "fit," but
keeping "fit" can be a lot of work, and perfect health is not granted
to all of us.

I personally find the whole subject of judging people's laziness by
the look of their bodies a little unpleasant.  Let's talk about
something else.

The weather here in Central New Jersey is reluctantly warming up, but
hasn't yet reached the 70's, which is my limit for visiting nearby
Sandy Hook.  (In case anybody is still wondering where Sandy Hook is.)

							Marty
marty@hoqaa.att.com		hoqaa!marty
Martin B. Brilliant		(Winnertech Corporation)
From: rpaolino@polisci.pol.umn.edu (Robert Paolino)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Public Pools
Date: 10 Apr 92 06:14:26 GMT
Organization: University of Minnesota

In article <1992Apr8.084649.20682@ousrvr.oulu.fi> dfo@tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes:

>In article <1992Apr6.180527.21072@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de> PATZNER@rhea.informatik.uni-bonn.de (Achim Patzner) writes:
>>-> All true.  The public pool in Munich has certain hours for FKK
>>-> (Freikoerperkultur -- literally "cultivating the body, free of
>>-> clothing").  
>>
>>Not quite... but the complete explanation will be too long and too boring.
>>
>>-> I have
>>-> never seen anyone in a sauna in Germany with a bathing suit.

>>I have... and it was probably the most embarassing situation in that
>>person's whole life. Just one question: Are other people really wearing
>>CLOTHES in saunas? Towels maybe, but anything else?

>YES!  In the US, some hotels have saunas with their pools and people are
>expected to wear bathing suits in the sauna.  I normally take my suit
>off in the sauna, but throw a towel over my genitals on the rare
>occasion that someone comes in.  

>One time at a Holiday Inn, i was in the hotel sauna and a woman walked
>in wearing a sweat suit!  I suggested to her that she might be more
>comfortable if she took it off, but she said she couldn't as she only
>had her underwear on underneath.  I said that i wouldn't mind but didn't
>push it or it would seem that i wanted to see her in her underwear or
>less (Horrors!-).  So she stayed in the sauna about 5 minutes in sweat 
>pants and sweatshirt and then left.

>I didn't offer to leave so that she could strip.  I doubt she would have
>even with noone else in there.

>>Achim

>doug foxvog
>dfo@tko.vtt.fi
>-- 
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>dfo@tko.vtt.fi   

That reminds me in opposite fashion of getting out of a hotel pool (in 
Southern California) to step into the jacuzzi/spa.  A young women was in the 
spa and suddenly looked very embarrassed as she quickly pulled up her 
swimsuit bottom.  I suppose I should have said that she didn't have to do 
that for my sake, but instead I just stepped in across from here, sat down 
in the water, and slipped off my suit.  She acknowledged it with a little 
smile and appeared to feel a more comfortable again.  I guess non-verbal 
language works too.

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From: Pat O'Brien <naturist@igc.org>
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Date: 16 Apr 92 16:16 PDT
Subject: Naturist Society
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1457200001:000:764
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!naturist    Apr 16 16:16:00 1992


Hi All,
	This is The Naturist Society's premiere on this board. It really looks 
great! I am Pat O'Brien, director of publications for TNS and a board member
of the Naturist Action Committee. Our address here is, I believe, "naturist" 
and we will be monitoring messages and E-mail on this area from now on. I 
don't know if it makes any difference, but we enter through the Utne salon of
PeaceNet. Anyone wanting information on the naturist lifestyle, natNaturist lifestyle, Naturist
activism or Lee Baxandall's World Guide to Nude Beaches & Recreation, is 
welcome to e-mail, post to P.O. Box 132, Oshkosh, WI 54902, or call us at
414-231-9950. I'll look forward to watching this area and visiting with 
you folk in the future. (Bote, I figured it out!)
Pat/TNS
From: glenm@bnr.ca (Glen Martin)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Lake Winnipeg (was: Re: Prince Edward Island)
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:05:32 GMT
Reply-To: glenm@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.

In article <rpaolino.226@polisci.pol.umn.edu>, rpaolino@polisci.pol.umn.edu (Robert Paolino) writes:
|> As long as we're on the subject of Canadian beaches, does anyone know of any 
|> on Lake Winnipeg??

Synchronicity. Just today I heard of one.

>The only nude beach around here, although very unofficial, that I know
>about, is the extreme north end of Patricia Beach, a Provincial Park
>about 40 miles north of the city, on the east shore of Lake Winnipeg.
>The northern tip of this beach, which is five minutes walk from the
>north parking lot, is fine in the early and late summer, when the beach
>is still quiet. (We get bugs too, but not normally at the beach)
>In mid summer, when there are more sightseers, and possible visits from
>the RCMP ( I have heard of poeple getting tickets), most folks move
>across a shallow (3 feet deep, max) channel to the next beach north,
>which has no access other than crossing this channel. This beach, which
>I think is known as beaconia beach? is fine except for the many all-male
>groups which tend to gather here - makes me feel a bit uncomfortable.
>Last time I visited, I walked for miles along the shore , which is
>backed in some places by sand dunes, and came across some very freindly
>naturist folks, some wild dirtbike riders, some 4x4 trucks driving on
>the beach, ...

Doesn't sound to be the greatest, but it's nude.

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From: sxn@eng.sun.com (Steve Nahm)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Update on Playalinda
Keywords: Update, Playalinda
Date: 7 Apr 92 19:37:20 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: rand

steve@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Steve Pierce) writes:

>Overt sexual activity and crossing the dunes has been a problem for
>months (it was what almost got the beach closed last fall) and may lose us our
>beach (Playalinda is currently closed due to the shuttle sitting on the launch
>pad).

Is there a local naturist organization near Playalinda?  If so you might
attack two parts of the problem by organizing a volunteer effort to install
dune fencing for the Park Service.  This would help protect the dunes, and
wouldn't hurt in the P.R. department (showing the rangers that you belong to a
non-flaky responsbile group that does care about the beach's condition).

I participated in a similar effort around 1983 at Assateague.  The Wildlife
Service supplied the materials and National Capital Naturists supplied the
labor, installing a mile of dune fencing in a day (there's a picture from that
day in the latest N&N).  Unfortunately, the fundamentalists in Chincoteague
passed that infamous anti-nudity ordinance shortly thereafter.

But I'm sure the work had a postive effect on the dune ecology.  And the
rangers we worked with and others who saw the results of our work had to be
positively impressed.

Try it; it might help prevent a similar fate as befell Assateague from
happening at Playalinda.

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From: kenm@maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca (...Jose)
Newsgroups: rec.nude
Subject: Re: Nudity in the Mainstream
Date: 14 Apr 92 20:39:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: maccs.1992Apr14.203910.8089
Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University

In article <9204142001.AA02325@sun22b.mdd.comm.mot.com> theriaul@mdd.comm.mot.com (Roger Theriault) writes:
>overall tan in the summertime. *I* haven't seen any nude skiers - YET.
>Though my ski club typically does a nude waterskiing stunt each summer
>during our big camping weekend at Kalamalka Lake in the Okanagan.)
>It is decent weather for nude skiing - can get awful hot! Just don't
>fall :-(



	Sometimes, a bathing suit is a very useful thing.... I tried
nude cliff-jumping when I was twelve *once*.... my poor prepubescent
testes ached for hours.  It's truly amazing how much protection those few
millimeters of cotton can provide.

				...Jose




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