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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:27:30 CDT
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From:         Frank Peters <fwp%CC.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Karen Kay's BWP Stats
Comments: To: words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu

    What I want to know is, why am I listed under three addresses, when
   I, unlike Natalie, Don Roby, Anne Harwell, and others, only have one
   measly address.

   Well, List Goddess and Listmeisters?????

   > LL23%NEMOMUS.bitnet@CU...	71  <---Sisterhood is powerful level
   > Karen Kay			11
   > LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@UG...	8

Well, I've poked through the archive and am pretty sure that I've found
the reason if not the logic.  It'd be interesting to see code used to
extract these statistics.

Note:  The articles that we have archived obviously aren't going to
       be the same range of words-l articles used to gather the
       statistics above.

Looking through the FTP archives I see the following variants of From
headers on articles from Karen Kay <LL23@NEMOMUS.BITNET>:

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Group 1:
    From: Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
    From: LL23000 <LL23%NEMOMUS.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
    From: List Angel <LL23%NEMOMUS.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Articles with these headers total 84 messages.  They seem to have
arrived at the list via CUNYVM.  I'm fairly sure that they represent
messages sent to the internet version of the list address
(words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu) and were thus gateway to the internet at the
CUNYVM gateway and then delivered to uga.cc.uga.edu.  Messages
delivered to the list via some gateway appear to be keyed by the
address rather than the full name for statistics gathering purposes.
This makes sense since it may not always be possible to extract the
full name from messages coming from other networks.

Group 2:
    From: Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

Articles with this header total 14 messages.  They seem to represent
messages sent to the bitnet version of the list address.  Apparently
the statistics software uses the full name portion of the address in
this case.  This group probably accounts for the second total above.

Group 3:
    From: List Angel <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>
    From: LL23000 <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

Articles in this group total 7 messages.  My guess is that the
statistics software looks for the key work 'list' and replication of
the userid in the full name portion of the address and uses the actual
address in these cases.  This group probably accounts for the third
total above.
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I'd guess that your replies are being sent to the bitnet address while
you direct original posts to the internet address...or vs versa.  That,
along with the various changes in the full name portion of your outgoing
messages, accounts for the diversity.

--Fwp, Net.Detective
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From:         ASLANSKY%NTIVAX.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      RE: 15 k

Congratulations Dan.
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:06:09 -0400
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From:         Czarina Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: in-jokes and such
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>(BTW, my undergrad degree was in math, but I am a librarian (altho
> I'm not working in a traditional librarian position), so where do
> I fit in the headcount?)


        I dunno.  I'm an associate editor, so I don't fit in at all.
Or maybe I fit in with the English geeks.  Does Natalie head up that
category?

Rita
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 10:21:00 PST
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From:         Lobstrosities Unite <CHRISS%CWU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN

>Whew!  Chris hasn't noticed yet how I manage to twist or evade when I can't
>come up with a rebuttal to one of his points. :-)

Yes, I have.   You resort to the "Turning Machine" tactic. :-) (Read lots of
giggles in this!)

Chris
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 16:20:02 EST
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From:         Karen Kay <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET%UGA.CC.UGA.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Silence and Horoscopes
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> I just remembered something I meant to add to my posting about cultural
> silences.  The first part of my horoscope today says this:  "You would
> be wise to remain your usual quiet and mild-mannered self today." :-)

Totally apt, Natalie, I'd say....

My birthday is tomorrow, so can you tell me what my horoscope says
for then?Thanks!

Karen
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 00:54:02 EDT
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From:         Tony Harminc <TONY%VM1.MCGILL.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Reflections on the matter of language change

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 19:30:16 EDT Fredric said:
>
>O MR. RONIN, in your wisdom pray tell that you really believe
>that this thing you call "linguistics" stands outside of ideology; o
>that's right, it is a science and as we all know science is OBJECTIVE;
>what a marvelous argument you have: don't blame me boss it jest be that
>damn language;

Galmin ?  Is that you ?  It's been such a long time.

Oh *I* know!  It's Tushar.  He's cooked up another one.  Good going, I say!

Tony (won't be fooled again) H.
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Date:         Fri, 10 Apr 1992 16:08:00 EDT
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From:         Mark Susskind <NY911179%PACEVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Oldies but goodies
              10 Apr 1992 15:05:40 EDT from <ADBAM@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

No, I am not bothered by a person's age.  I was just exaggerating a sentiment
which seemed to prevail in a few other notes to WORDS-L.  It matters not really
the age of a person, but the content of his or her mind.
                                                     (or something like that =)

Cheerio,
Mark R. Susskind, Mr. MRS
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Date:         Tue, 14 Apr 1992 23:24:22 -0500
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From:         Nancy Harwood <harwood%TENET.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Tushar whines
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>
> >Tushar whines:
>
> Why this elegant variation ? Whines, Complains, Confuses, Shouts, Brays,
> when all I am doing is only bloody saying things ? Anne, behave yourself
> and use the right word.
>
> tushar

states, comments, elucidates, explicates, declaims, declares, shares..
would any of these make you feel better?  I thought about whimpers, but
decided you might not like it.:-)
ndh
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 12:41:00 EDT
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From:         Adam M Hartfield <AHARTFIE%DREW.DREW.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: time change
Comments: To: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

>Dr. John Williams, DrBl                 <ding-dong!>
 		    ^^^^

Dribble?  Love it!

Dr. John (paging Dr. John), I'm going to be out your way on Easter
Weekend...please send private email as to where you work, and you
may get visited by the erudite eastern Professor Hartfield.

--P. H., somewhat thoroughly educated and very highly magnified
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Date:         Thu, 9 Apr 1992 21:27:52 EST
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From:         BGRISSOM%UKCC.UKY.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Genie
              9 Apr 1992 10:37:46 EST from <LL23%NEMOMUS.BITNET@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>

>> acquisition about the 13-year old girl (Genie of Temple City, CA) who was
>> kept in total isolation by her parents until discovered by authorities in
>> 1970.  Looks interesting so far.
>
>Brad,
>     I haven't read this article, but I think she was 13 when she was
>found, in 1970, not 13 now.
>
>Karen

   Yes, she was 13 in 1970.  Please excuse the sloppy syntax.  I am
   not apologizing, mind you.

   bog
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 18:06:00 CDT
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From:         "815 Stephen H. Karlson 753-6980"
 <TA0SHK1%NIU.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: America's Cup

ESPN carry all the America's Cup races live.  The next one will be
tomorrow, (Wednesday 4/8) airing at 3:00 pm or 3:30 pm EDT.  They
have enough helicopters and boat cameras to cover all three races.

Steve Karlson

Get a good start and sail on the lifted tack.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:41:00 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Conversation Stoppers
Comments: To: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

> ...and when I'm introduced, they askme, "So what do you do?" and I say, "I
> teach" and they say "What?" and I say, "Computer Science" and , to use the
> phraseology of Ronin: CONVERSATION STOPPETH.

Why?
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 10:46:17 EST
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From:         Evelyn <R3EJD%AKRONVM.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Jones
              7 Apr 1992 20:24:46 -0500 from <harwood@TENET.EDU>

On Tue, 7 Apr 1992 20:24:46 -0500 Nancy Harwood said:
>>
>>
>> 	Hmm.  Greek, Irish, Romanian, Italian, Austrian, and French.
>> As far as we know.
>>
>> Rita
>
>Irish seems to keep cropping up here...wonder if that means anything?

Maybe it had to do with the potato famine; my dad says that he's never
seen people more involved with food than computer people, except for
Baptists. :-)
I'm Scottish/Irish on my Dad's side and German/Native American on Mom's.

Evelyn
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 10:28:46 -0400
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From:         Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Time Magazine
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>Did anyone see the article about the changes in Time Magazine?

        No, as a matter of fact, I didn't get my magazine this week -- did
they put one out?  (Cambridge PO can be notoriously sucky about delivering
subscriptions.)  Actually, their format is starting to get boring.  Hope
they do jazz it up some.  Hope they improve the quality of their articles,
too.  I know personally that if I have to look at one more f'ing article on
Columbus and multiculturalism I'm canceling.  I want NEWS.  The best piece
of journalism in the past few months was the Tsongas-Clinton debate.
Maybe I'll get a sub to The Economist :-).

Rita
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:12:26 EST
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From:         GUBERT%UKCC.UKY.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: econometrics

Challenge, guys -- explain that in english understandable to any
educated person without reference to discipline terminology or
jargon.  If you must post these exchanges, try letting some of the
rest of us in on the gist of the discussion or will you fall back on
that tired cliche that it is only explainable in mathematical symbols
and terminology?

JAG
^bwp
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 19:46:00 MDT
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From:         The Ronin <WHITERJ%MSCD.BITNET@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN

Lobbieth the Lobstrosity
>>one, this case rather than that one or whatever.  They "know" the systems but
>>not the rules.  However, the speaker can, if he or she chooses and is given th
e
>>opportunity, formally learn the rules through grammar classes, spelling
>>classes, observation, etc.

Replieth      "Natalie Maynor" <maynor@RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

>I agree with everything you have said except for your use of the word
>"rules."  To me the rules of language are what you are calling "systems."

     That matches what I was picking up.  Chris is using 'rules' to
mean the output of the analysis done after observing native speakers
(which is almost guaranteed to be out of date, as the natives have
probably altered something in the meantime), while Natalie is
referencing the (frequently unconcious) internal rules the native
speaker uses.  Which leads to what I dislike about prescriptivist
English in general, it is always lagging behind and can never catch
up.  Of course learning a foreign language generally begins with a
prescriptivist base, to be built upon by exposure to native speakers,
so I don't feel all prescriptivist teaching to be improper.

     As to the use of different rules (or dialects) in different
situations, I learned to do it well before I learned what I was doing.
Social engineering at work.  (Where IS Marty?)

The Ronin
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Date:         Sun, 12 Apr 1992 13:17:50 EDT
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From:         Tony Harminc <TONY%VM1.MCGILL.CA@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Income tax:form 8829
              10 Apr 1992 23:54:00 EST from <RKESSLER@RCNVMS.RCN.MASS.EDU>

>I wonder how many others on WORDS-L have yet to file their
>US Tax Forms (Is April 15 the big day in Canada or Great Britain
>as well?)

It's the 30th in Canada.

Tony H.
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Date:         Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:35:09 EDT
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From:         CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: sad thought
              13 Apr 1992 19:09:29 -0500 from <dorisann@TENET.EDU>

On Mon, 13 Apr 1992 19:09:29 -0500 Doris Smith said:
>BTW ndh, try substituting the remote control belonging to another device
>in the place he normally keeps the one for the tv.  Watch him squirm. :-)
>
OOOO--I like you already, Doris Smith... you're positively diabolical! I'll
bet you have some other little tricks up your sleeve, too....I had a friend
who was a terrific practical joker, but I don't have the creative bent....
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Date:         Mon, 6 Apr 1992 21:47:00 EDT
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From:         "AARON DICKEY, JUPITER UNIVERSITY"
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Subject:      Re: Tarmac rugrats

Steve--

Well, maybe I just want to gain a *little* happiness...

--Aaron
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Date:         Fri, 17 Apr 1992 11:49:04 CDT
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From:         Tushar Samant <tushar%ZAPHOD.UCHICAGO.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: The Nashanul Akadame, agin

What is wrong with obscuring relationships between words (which is what
phonetic spelling will apparently do) ? Exactly where is a fact like
"X and Y share a root" useful ? In my opinion the only objection to
phonetic spelling is the first one: i.e. there is no canonical pronunciation
to accord to. It is good enough.

tushar
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Date:         Tue, 7 Apr 1992 09:52:49 -0400
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From:         Czarina Rita <rita%EFF.ORG@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Gleanings 38 1) Louis Mayer/Pat Riley (Ken W.)
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>Isn't he one of the original Phone Phreaks from the Cap'n Crunch and Joe
>Engressia era ?

        I don't think he was ever actually a phreak, but he hung out
with that crowd.  Cap'n Crunch is still kicking around, btw.  I don't
know about Joe Engressia.  Funny little bit:  Cap'n Crunch is nearly
*impossible* to get off the phone.

Rita
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 17:18:55 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      I could have done worse...
Comments: To: words-l@uga.cc.uga.edu

Remember my apologies about screwing up people's individual settings like
'nomail' back when I was a new listowner and didn't know what I was doing?
Be thankful that I didn't do ever worse things.  I just read the following
posting on LSTOWN-L.  The person who wrote it seems pretty nonchalant
about it.  I thought you might find it funny.

> Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 20:19:38 GMT
> Subject:      Deleted LIST file
> To: Multiple recipients of list LSTOWN-L <LSTOWN-L@INDYCMS>
>
> Hi again. Major oops this time. Butterfingers (me) just sent a blank LIST
> file to listserv and wiped out my list. I intended to get a new copy (as
> backup) edit it and resend it but did it backwards (half asleep). So, my
> list is gone, I have no copy of the old LIST file, listserv (actually
> listearn) thinks I'm not an owner, it's night-time so there's no systems
> manager around. The members of the list are going to be pretty annoyed!
>
> Does listserv/listearn keep a backup copy of the LIST files? (Our system
> presumably has backups but a few new members won't be on the list).
>
> Two years a list owner and still having fun...
********************
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:01:33 CDT
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From:         "Aimee J. Lee" <ajl1%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: CALLING ALL STUDENTS OF RUSSIAN
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Well, pardon me!  I never pretended to be perfect.  Everyone
makes mistakes!
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Date:         Wed, 15 Apr 1992 16:27:37 EDT
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From:         CGOODSON%UGA.bitnet@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU
Subject:      Re: Elvis stamp
              15 Apr 1992 13:15:00 EST from <AXD7104@ACFCLUSTER.NYU.EDU>

On Wed, 15 Apr 1992 13:15:00 EST Aaron Dickey, The Happy Spore said:
>No question...I want the fat, old, sweaty Elvis.  There's so much more
>raw personality in that one...

I agree... the callow youth didn't appeal to me either..  the corrupt but
basically warm-hearted guy wins every time with me...
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Date:         Thu, 16 Apr 1992 20:53:12 CDT
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From:         Anne Harwell <aharwell%PANAM1.PANAM.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: New Voices on the list
Comments: To: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

>Talking of clambakes, I always meant to ask; Are you a vegetarian?

Graham,

I wouldn't touch that one with a ten-foot zucchini.

-abh
Actually, yes, I am, except when I consume meat.
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Date:         Wed, 8 Apr 1992 05:45:09 CDT
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From:         "Natalie Maynor" <maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: away for a few days
Comments: To: WORDS-L@uga.cc.uga.edu

> Discussing the fact that I didn't set 'nomail,' The Ronin predicted:
>
> >     I would guess 583 messages from WORDS-L.
>
> Well, not quite.  I did have precisely 583 messages in my reader when I logged
> on tonight, but a small but vocal minority were from other sources.  I'd

Are you serious??  You announced it so calmly.  I find that creepily weird,
even if they weren't all from WORDS-L.  Does The Ronin have supernatural
powers??  Tell me, The Ronin -- exactly when am I going to win PCH Sweeps?
I need to start planning my move to France.
   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)
From: gtoal@castle.ed.ac.uk (Graham Toal)
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Subject: Re: Goodbye
Date: 15 Apr 92 21:43:01 GMT
Organization: Edinburgh University

In article <9204151046.AA29970@Ra.MsState.Edu> maynor%RA.MSSTATE.EDU@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU (Natalie Maynor) writes:
:> and need to get more equipment and rise politically.  Perhaps what is
:> needed is for a rabble rouser of sorts to convince enough of the
:> student body of the advantages of network access ('free' mail and
:> phone service to friends at other institutions, for example) to get
:> the attention of the administration (school and CC).
:
:It might also be useful to solicit the help of faculty in various parts
:of the university, particularly those who have "ins" with administrators.
:Have faculty in various departments mention to administrators in charge
:of budgets how useful e-mail can be for their students.  Although some
:mainframe offerings are more useful for students in CS, Engineering, etc.,
:I can see no reason whatsoever that e-mail is more useful for those
:students than for other students.  Interestingly, of the English classes
:here that use e-mail for class-related activities, the ones that have
:shown resistance to it so far are in Writing for Engineers (or so I was
:told by a friend teaching that course -- I've never taught it).  The
:friend who told me that said that she was surprised to see how much more
:eagerly and easily her typical freshmen in non-technical majors take
:to e-mail than her upper-level Engineering majors.
:   --Natalie (maynor@ra.msstate.edu)



Edinburgh University is, this year (despite being broke), creating
a machine for all graduates to have access to mail in order to keep
in touch with the University.

Graham
PS 'scuse lack of trimming; lots to catch up on then going out tonight.
From: haycock@marley.think.com (Anne Haycock)
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Subject: Re: Gleanings (38)
Date: 8 Apr 92 09:21:27
Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA
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In-reply-to: The Ronin's message of Tue, 7 Apr 1992 12:40:00 MDT

The Ronin in awe says:

   Frencheth     Anne Haycock <haycock@MARLEY.THINK.COM>

   Non, il s'appelle Panoramix.  Le petit chien s'appelle Idefix et le chef du
   village s'appelle Abraracourcix.  Obelix s'occupe en fabriquant des menhirs
   et Asterix est un vrai guerrieur gaulois!  Le fin.

	This is frightenening.  I took French for 12 weeks in seventh
   grade (1968) before dropping the course because of the teacher and
   haven't touched it since.  But the above paragraph makes since to me
   and I don't read 'Asterix'.


The visible structures of grammar!!!  Even in slightly altered form (where
*does* the damn adjective go, anyway?!?)  The previously noted error in
article gender (le instead of la fin) notwithstanding.

I am not a grammarian, nor do I claim to be.  I was beat about the head
with intangible tenses and form often and without mercy by my mother who
was insistent I speak properly.  In my junior high/high school days I could
diagram a sentence within an inch of its life -- and be able to explain
what, why, and how.  Today I am lucky if I can stop myself from ending my
sentences with a preposition ... alas, but thank God my mother isn't around
enough to hear.

//anne//
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