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From: backman@vaxeline.ftp.com  (Larry Backman)
Subject: Throw those stripers back
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Organization: FTP Software, Inc., Wakefield, MA
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1992 13:12:05

In article <1992Oct1.134953.22093@ncsu.edu> plheron@ecemw6.ncsu.edu (Pat L. Heron) writes:

 >> allows commercial striper fishing.  Are there no size limits 
 >> for commercially caught stripers in NC?  I was at the fish 
 >> market located in the farmer's market in Raleigh and saw 
 >> tiny 14-inch striped bass for sale there.  Talk about 
 >> infanticide, particularly when the Ambermarle bass population
 >> is in such obvious trouble.

 Having caught more schoolie stripers in the past season than I have
 in the past 20 years, lets keep throwing them back please....

 I'm quite heartened by the fact that limiting the catch seems to have
 brought back a species I never thought I'd see in quantity again.

 Now when all those 16-24 inchers grow up...

 Larry Backman
 FTP Software

 PS. I threw somewhere between 10 & 20 of those back this morning :-) :-)...
From: tomg@hpcvusc (Thomas J. Gilg)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: OT Newsletter
Date: 5 Oct 92 20:13:15 GMT
Article-I.D.: hpcvusn.1992Oct5.201315.9903
Distribution: na
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
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> The JOHN DAY RIVER STEELHEAD redd (sites with spawning fish) averaged
> 3.3 per mile. However on Murders Creek the count was 8.8 redds per mile.
> Murders Creek is not pristine, it is heavily logged and roaded. Why the
> difference ? Murders Creek has the highest density of beaver dams anywhere
> in the John Day Basin. Most streams in the basin no longer have beaver dams
> although historic accounts glow with the bounty of beaver in the basin.

I recall someone telling me about some Oregon coastal rivers (Five Rivers
on Alsea River System and the Siuslaw River(?) ) that were cleared of 
natural woody debris, the idea being that Salmon and Steelhead would have
an easier time heading upstream to spawn.

5-20 years afterwards, the populations of Salmon in particular took a nose
dive and have never recovered.  In addition, now one of the bays/harbors
has to be dredged to keep it deep enough for ships - seems the spawning
gravel is being washed out to sea :-(

In recent years, the Oregon ODFW has studied the Woody Debris program
the Alaska State Fisheries have tried.   Five Rivers on the Alsea River
is finally being restored to its state of ~20 years ago - it used to be
the most productive part of the Alsea system.

*** Coastal Fishing Report - 10/3/92 - The spring and summer Chinook Salmon
are spawning now in very shallow water.   I watched several fisherman fishing
some gravel tailouts where the chinook are spawning - the only ones landed
were snagged.   In almost all cases, the chinook were very dark and even had
fin rot.   Didn't see many fall run Chinook or Silvers.

I focused on sea-run cutthroat feeding on eggs behind the spawning salmon
and did o.k.   Also lucked out and landed two steelhead and lost a third
on a #6 wt fly rod.   Flies of choice were #6 pink-colored flies or
eggs patterns.   With the cooling weather, the summer/fall run steelhead
have moved out of the deep pools and have started moving upriver.  While
on the move, they were holding in fast water, typically tucked in tight
against the ledges or in the bubble rip line off either side of instream
rocks.   Fantistic sighht fishing.

Thomas Gilg
tomg@cv.hp.com
From: chip@rrc.chevron.com (Chip Parham)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: Re: Rod Building
Date: 2 Oct 92 16:49:08 GMT
Reply-To: chip@rrc.chevron.com
Organization: Chevron, Richmond, California

Re:   In rec.outdoors.fishing, johnf@Auspex.COM (John Fereira) writes:
> 
> |The above blanks with good components (like nickel silver and rose wood reel 
> |seats) can be made into great rods for under $300 U.S.  That approximately a
> |$100 per rod savings.  But really thats not the point, if you go all the way 
>  
> Good point.  You're not going to save a lot of money building your own rod.

>I would disagree. You can get Sage Graphite III RPL rod kits with top quality
>nickel-silver real seat and good guides for around $200 (you only need to add 
>glue and thread) plus shipping from one of the catalogs I have. 

Sorry, I didn't mean that you can't save money building your own rods.  Even in
my example I save on average +100/rd.   With eight rods of my own and another 
ten to twelve that I've build for other people that's a real savings.  Additionally, 
by looking careful shopping like you are obviously doing, you can obviously save 
even more.    The point I was trying to make was:

    If you start with medium to low quality components you end up with a 
    medium to low quality product that you probably could have bought cheaper.

By the way that's a great price for the Sage Blank what's your source?  Do you happen to know the price on the 8 & 10 wt. three piece salt water blanks?  that's next on the agenda.
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From: jcook@mumble.cs.Colorado.EDU (Jonathan Cook)
Subject: Re: Animal Activists
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:51:13 GMT

In article <tl3-mwA@engin.umich.edu> Robert Drongowski <Robert.Drongowski@cc.umich.edu> writes:
>
>Bow hunting season for deer started on10-1-92 in Michigan.  What does
>this have
>to do with Rec. Outdoors.Fishing??  Well, the animal activists were in

>fishing in the near future, then your kidding yourself.  Although I don't
 
>BOB DRONGOWSKI--"ICE FISHING IS REALLY A MISNOMER, MOST OF THE TIME"  The
>Polish-American Fisherman


DISCLAIMER: I am not and do not want to be a animal activist! I am
            pro-hunting.

That said, I don't accept the argument that the activists will 
target fishing at even an order of magnitude less than they do 
hunting. It seems they show their hypocrisy by only "protecting"
warm-blooded creatures. Put a snake in their house and most of 
them would pay to have it terminated.

If you all have more info, like direct quotes from major activist
organizations that say they will target fishing, then please inform
me, and I'll believe.

Jon.
From: rpark@stam.QE.Bell.CA (Richard Park)
Subject: Re: Salmon Fishing - Niagra River.
Reply-To: rpark@stam.bell.ca
Organization: CER, Bell Canada
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:56:15 GMT

Salmon in the Great Lakes are not all hatchery fish. They originated from	
hatchery but there are substaining fish on certain rivers for each Great
Lake.

Anyways, I was at Niagara Falls on Sept 13. Saw a few people fishing the 
whirlpool (CAN side). The whirlpool is a popular place to fish for chinook
steelhead. I've never fished there but I saw a car path down to there. But
you probably have to walk as I did not see any cars, only people. I also
saw plenty of fishing boats fishing for chinook.

It is nice scenary but I would think that other rivers have better runs.
-- 
Richard Park	
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From: fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Frank Kruppenbacher)
Subject: Re: SalmonRiver?
Reply-To: fak9957@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 21:47:09 GMT


> Its an exciting river to fish. I don't want to put all the guys up there
>in this catagory. I've met alot of great guys, but the others out weigh them.
> I haven't been up there for a couple of years. I live only 45 minutes away, but
>have lost a desire to "fish" there. Is it still the same Jim? 
>  
>---
>Mark Conti

I too live within an hours drive of the Salmon River. Until snagging is
completely outlawed in the 1994 fishing season, I have no desire to fish up
there at all.  The Salmon River does have a fly fishing only section, yet from
what I hear, even the flyfishers are "lifting" hooks into the salmon's belly,
only to let them go to "lift" again and again.

It's the same story in the lower Genesse River gorge in the City of Rochester.
Snaggers and lifters elbow to elbow. Fist fights are the main attraction.

Talking about the lower Genesse River gorge, Kodak's Hawkeye Plant is located
at the rim of the gorge. Kodak just announced that they admitted to dumping
radioactive material down the gorge wall for more than 4 decades! Of course
Kodak is going to spend nearly a million dollars to clean it up, but all those
snaggers are getting some heavy doses of radioactivity.  They said that you
need to stand there for about 120 hours before you start to absorb levels
of radioactivity well above normal background levels.

What a country!  Drink beer, get drunk, impale salmon with treble hooks, get
into fist fights over a fish that just wants to spawn and die, and nuke
yourself.  Freakin' Pennsyltuckians!  GO HOME AND SNAG YOURSELF!
From: mike@ra.cs.umb.edu (Michael J. Thibodeau)
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing
Subject: live bait
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:10:23 GMT
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Boston, Dept of Math and CS

I just found a shop that carries live grass/glass shrimp. Unfortunately it is
about 45 minutes from my house and I am only 5 minutes to the shore, so that
makes 1hr+35minutes that I have to travel if I want live shrimp to use for
smelting!!! this puts a serious crimp in the time I have to spend on the docks.

I can use as many suggestions as possible as to how to keep my live bait 'live'
for as long as possible. The old salt on the dock said put it in an old butter
tub and submerge it in the harbor and it will last the winter, but I don't know
if it would last a day, I have seen some of the younger boatmen raid other
people's bait buckets!!!					^^^^^

I tried setting up an old goldfish bowl with seawater and an air pump and stone
bubbling air through it but come morning I had a bowl of very white and very
dead shrimp which didn't appeal at all to the fish (3hrs fishing, no nibbles!!)

If someone has an inexpensive way for keping live bait live at home I, and I'm
sure many other people, would love to hear it. This goes for shrimp, seaworms,
clams, crawfish, etc.

I am feeling less and less like a fisherman with each day that goes by. 

-mike
                
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From: 73467.2574@CompuServe.COM (Andy Schmidt)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: 20l tanks
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:47:52 GMT


 
If you let me have your address I'll mail specs and other info.
 
In the meantime, we were able to get 120 cu ft steel tanks (NOT GENESIS)
DOT approved. They combine the benefit of size with pressure well below
3000 psi so that DIN valves and costly regulator upgrades are NO longer
necessary.
 
Andy

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From: ram@watson.bms.com (Gena Ram)
Subject: Dive shops in London
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Organization: Bristol Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 23:30:00 GMT



I will be going to London from November 20 - 28 and would like to know of Dive 
Shops there.  Any information is apreciated!

Gena
From: 21329KAD@MSU (Kim Dyer)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Blackbeard's Cruise
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:35:44 GMT
Organization: Michigan State University

I just got back from a Blackbeard's cruise, and can recommend it
highly.

Got to see nurse sharks and a black tip.  (Our group leader thinks
he got a photo of the black tip from about 2 feet.  As per our
previous discussion ... the man came up "speaking in tongues". ;-)
If the photo shop messes up the film, we'll have a ritual sacrifice.)

LOTS of turtles and rays around the "Donut Wreck".

Didn't get to see the resident green moray on Theo's Wreck, but
did manage what can best be described as "technical penetration".
(You could penetrate that wreck with a school bus, so even those
of us without Wreck Diving training could go into the empty hold
and take a peek.)

Nodules Wall is in good shape, as are most of the sites around
Freeport.  (Beware the Painkillers at Pussers ... for they will
make you silly.)  The sites around Bimini are quite a bit more
damaged, although all but one (Turtle Rocks, I think) should be
passable by next summer when all the silt settles.

If you want more details, or have specific questions, E-Mail.
I will definately be going back as soon as I have the vacation
time and money built up again.
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From: zipp@foosw6.enet.dec.com (Eric S. Zipp)
Subject: Dive related Jewelry
Keywords: jewelry
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 19:23:57 GMT

Greetings,

	Ya know, one of the secondary benefits to this sport it that you never
have to be stumped when a gift-giving occasions happens to come along. You can
generally get 'anything' dive related and not be too far off the mark.

	With my wife's birthday approaching, I began a search for that 'special
something' that would be well received. I had about settled on some form of dive
related jewelry but could not find any local where I live that carried what I
had in mind. There were a few sources listed in some of the dive magazines, but
I really wanted to see first hand what I was getting before I crossed someone's
palm with silver.

	As luck would have it, I as sent to Denver for training and was able to
pop into the Reef Gallery. I had an opportunity to meet with the owner, a Mr.
David Andrews, and examine some of the items which he has created. Not only was
I impressed with the quality of work Mr. Andrews commanded, but also his
attention to detail. After talking with him, I discovered that both he and his
wife are active divers with the same love of the sport and underwater creatures
that I assume most of us have.

	Bottom line,... I bought my wife a gold Manta Ray drop to be worn with a
chain.

	I have no connection with Reef Gallery other than I was a customer that
was quite satisfied with the quality and workmanship of the article that I
purchased. If recommendations mean anything, Mr. Andrews has mine.

	If you wish additional information or color brochures detailing the
product line the address is:

	Reef Gallery
	911 Harrison St.
	Denver, Co.
	80206

	(303)331-0490


Be safe and enjoy...

Regards,

Eric


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From: dan@resonex.com (Dan Kell)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: Prescription Mask
Keywords: lense popped off
Date: 29 Sep 92 09:47:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: resonex.1992Sep29.094736.17603
Organization: Resonex Inc., Sunnyvale CA

I used RTV to attach an old pair of lenses inside on my old ScubaPro mask.
It was okay and was better than nothing. The RTV is also realitivly easy to
clean off of stuff also. I'm used a Sherwood Genesis with corrective lenses
now. You might give this a try as a temporary fix until you find out the 
proper stuff. The RTV does distort you vision but it works.


-- 
Dan Kell                  
email to dan@resonex.com
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."   A. Einstein
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: marcus@vestek.com (Mark Stephen)
Subject: Performance Divers Wetsuit
Organization: Vestek Systems, San Francisco
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 16:23:21 GMT

I was thinking of ordering a wetsuit combo from Performance
Divers, and was wondering if anyone had any good or bad comments
about their products. They offer a 6mm wetsuit, hood, booties
and gloves for $206. Based on what I have seen new, and the lack
of used equip in the Bay Area, seems like a good deal.

Any input grately appreciated, Marcus



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From: marthab@milton.u.washington.edu (Martha Burns)
Subject: Ladies' Wet Suit for Sale/Swap
Reply-To: marthab@u.washington.edu
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: seattle
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:32:15 GMT

For sale or swap: 

Ladies' O'Brien wet suit, size 12-14 farmer John style with detachable
booties; never worn.  Will sell for best offer or swap for larger size, 
especially lighter weight lycra, shortie style.

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From: krentel@phoebe.cs.rice.edu (Mark W. Krentel)
Subject: strobes
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:08:26 GMT

I'm planning on buying a Nikonos V U/W camera and I'm looking for 
recommendations for strobes.  Is anyone familiar with Nikon SB 102,
Morris F-6 TTL, Ikelite Ai, Ai/n or other strobes?

I usually take pictures of stationary objects (sponges, anemones), 
medium-size fish, critters (lobster, octopus), and also tiny fish
(damsel, basslet, shrimp).  I'll probably be using the 28mm lens
for the medium-to-large objects and either the close-up lens or
extension tubes for the tiny objects.  I don't really expect to 
get into the wide-angle 15mm or 20mm lenses.

Some specific questions:

1. How well does it cover the 28mm lens?  Is it dim at the edges?
2. How even is the coverage?  Any annoying hot spots?
3. Is the strobe sufficiently powerful?
4. Is the battery compartment sealed from the inside electronics?
5. Does the battery lid hold water?  Does it come open underwater?
6. What controls are on the strobe?  Slave?  1/4 power?
7. How is the tray/arm?

I'll probably buy the camera and strobe by mail order, maybe Helix
in Chicago.  So, if you have recommendations on mail-order places,
I'm interested in those too.

Also, has anyone used the 80mm lens?  I'm wondering how well it works
for shy fish swimming off in the distance.

Please mail replies to me and I'll summarize the responses.

Mark Krentel    krentel@cs.rice.edu
Rice Univ       Houston, Texas

P.S.  If anyone lives in Houston and owns one of these strobes and
wouldn't mind letting me look at it, I'd much appreciate it.  I just
want to look at it, not take it in the water.
From: stetner@bcarh1b6.BNR.CA (Douglas Stetner)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: How about the Oceanic Datamax?
Date: 28 Sep 92 15:41:56 GMT
Reply-To: stetner@bnr.ca
Organization: Bell Northern Research


In article <q3mtqfs@twilight.wpd.sgi.com>, story@sgi.com (David Story) writes:
|> In article <KEVIN.92Sep10170417@polkacide.tamri.com> kevin@tamri.com writes:
|> >
|> >After about 18 months, my Datamax Sport started producing strange
|> >results.  I took it on 3 dives within one day.  The first dive was to
|> >about 30 feet, but recorded a maximum depth of 195 feet.  The second
|> >and third dive had a real maximum depth of between forty and sixty
|> >feet, but the Datamax recorded a maximum depth of 0 feet.  The low
|> >battery indicator never lit up.
|> 
|> This anecdote scares the SHIT out of me!!  I'm glad you were diving
|> conservative profiles, and didn't discover this after the fourth day
|> of a week's liveaboard trip!
|> 

That is why the club I am in demands  that every  diver  give a 'table
based' dive profile even if they are using computers.

As well, some people around here recently found out that if you take a
certain  computer,  (I am not sure if it was the  Datamax)  to  165ft,
deeper than it is supposed to be used at, that it decides  this is too
deep, and SHUTS OFF!!  These people panicked and bolted to the surface
getting bent in the process.

I am not sure if this is  mentioned  in its  manual,  but it would not
matter anyway as a lot of divers I have met have not read their entire
manual.

It scares me to see people getting certified and immediately getting a
computer and totally forgetting how tables work.

Doug

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Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: gordon@meiko.com (Gordon Henderson)
Subject: Re: DPV info wanted
Organization: Meiko Scientific Corp.
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 10:57:50 GMT


A few people have mailed me asking for the report to be posted, so
here it is.

  Dec. 1990. Fourteen minutes into a dive to 34m (~105 feet) using an
  underwater scooter a diver suddenly ran out of air. A successful
  assisted ascent was made to the surface without problem. It
  subsequently transpired that the propeller of the scooter was drawing
  air out of the divers octopus mouthpiece, which was hanging close to
  the propeller guard, thereby exhausting the air supply prematurely.

-- Gordon Henderson
From: story@sgi.com (David (Duis) Story)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: How about the Oceanic Datamax?
Date: 2 Oct 92 01:20:43 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.

In article <16443@bcars664.bnr.ca> stetner@bnr.ca writes:
>
>As well, some people around here recently found out that if you take a
>certain  computer,  (I am not sure if it was the  Datamax)  to  165ft,
>deeper than it is supposed to be used at, that it decides  this is too
>deep, and SHUTS OFF!!  These people panicked and bolted to the surface
>getting bent in the process.

Is this a true story?  Could you verify it?  Undercurrents would be
very interested, as am I!

>It scares me to see people getting certified and immediately getting a
>computer and totally forgetting how tables work.

How about people getting certified and NOT immediately getting a
computer and STILL totally forgetting how tables work?  I recently
posted the abstract of a study in which they concluded that well over
50% of certified divers (including instructors!) cannot perform
routine repetitive dive calculations (such as those used on final
exams for dive certification.)

Cheers,

Dave Story                        NAUI AI Z9588, PADI DM 43922, EMT
story@bent.wpd.sgi.com	              Better diving through drugs.
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
From: keulen@possum.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Mike van Keulen)
Subject: Re: Deep air record.
Organization: Murdoch University
Date:  1 Oct 92 04:27:04 GMT

I'm curious - has this Hal had any accidents on his courses?  Surely such a
risky venture, repeated regularly by so many people of different tolerances
would produce some accidents/problems.

Mike

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