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Subject: Re: Help needed in compiling sz/rz.
Reply-To: agc@weasel.demon.co.uk
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 11:55:19 +0000

In article <BzC62z.FwI@cs.uiuc.edu> tgao@cs.uiuc.edu (Tong Gao) writes:
> I download szrz9202.tar-z from oak.oakland.edu, however I had a difficult time
> compiling the programs. The makefile let the user to choose which os the 
> program should be compiled with, but there is no Linux listed in the list.
> Could someone send me a makefile which will compile the programs correctly
> under Linux? Or could somebody tell me where I can download it? Thank you very 
> much.
> 
> Tong
> tgao@cs.uiuc.edu
> 

If you do a 'make sysvr3' it should compile OK with just a few warnings.

Speaking of rzsz, what environment variable needs to be set to make rz
receive from the serial ports instead of stdin?  It's a pain having to 
type '!rz <> /dev/modem' from kermit all the time.....!

Cheers,

- Alan.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: kennu@mits.mdata.fi (Kenneth Falck)
Subject: Re: How read characters from /dev/modem/ using C?
Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 23:28:47 GMT

cc935@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerrold T. Sithe) writes:
> 
> 
>         I'm trying to write a C program that executes a chat script with a
> dialup system.  I run my program with input and output redirected to the modem:
> 
> a.out </dev/modem >/dev/modem
> 
>         Using scanf to read from the modem doesn't work well because the remote
> system doesn't end it's query lines with a newline.  So the prompt, "Enter
> Command?" doesn't get received until later.  No good for a chat script.
> 
>         So I went to a character based input using getchar.  Still the modem
> driver won't return a line of data until it receives a newline from the remote
> system.  I then tried using the system IO calls open and read with no success.
> 
>         How can I access the modem on a character-by-character basis or have it
> return lines without receiving a newline?
> 

You should use non-canonical input (whatever that means), i.e. 
either use stty from the shell:

 stty -icanon -isig -echo

or termios:

 #include <termios.h>

 struct termios tty;

 tcgetattr (STDIN_FILENO, &tty);
 tty.c_lflag &= ~(ISIG|ICANON|ECHO);
 tcsetattr (STDIN_FILENO, TCSANOW, &tty);

to set up the terminal. See `man stty' and `man termios' for
more info about those flags... (I think some systems also require
that you set tty.c_cc [VTIME] = 0 and [VMIN] = 1 or something. I 
think /usr/include/linux/termios.h will also be a good file to read.)

Of course, you can open /dev/modem from within the program and use
it's fileno instead of STDIN_FILENO...

-- 
kennu@mits.mdata.fi
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: erc@unislc.uucp (Ed Carp)
Subject: Re: Changing a Serial Port IRQ Number
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Organization: Unisys Corporation SLC
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 00:39:53 GMT

Bill Woodward (wpwood@queball.austin.ibm.com) wrote:

: How does one go about changing the IRQ that a specific serial port
: uses.  I have a modem on COM3 under DOS running with IRQ 5.  When I
: switch to Linux and boot, the bootup messages say that the IRQ for
: /dev/ttys2 is 4.  Is there a config file I am missing, or do I need
: to recompile the kernel?
:    Any suggestions happily accepted.

Either #undef the AUTO_IRQ stuff in kernel/chr_dev/serial.c, or use setserial
to reset the IRQ for the card.
-- 
Ed Carp			erc@apple.com, erc@saturn.upl.com	801/538-0177

Who and what would you be if you went beyond your deepest fears?
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: jy10033@ehsn11.cen.uiuc.edu (Joshua M Yelon)
Subject: Re: A proposal for organizing comp.os.linux. [NEW-CHANNELS]
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 12:01:19 GMT

>  The number of things you listed are way to long.  Nobody
>  will remember them all letter-per-letter when writing a
>  news post.

I agree.  The list is very hard to remember.

Still, I'm not sure it would be a good idea to make the list of topics
short.  If the list of topics is short, you lose the ability to pick
and choose which topics you wish to read.  I think the "high
resolution" provided by a large number of topics is desirable.

Actually, remembering the long list isn't the problem it appears to be,
because you don't need to remember it.  You just have to remember the
channels that describe your favorite topics, the ones about which you
post.

Even so, I still agree with you that it _would_ be nice to have an
easy-to-remember list.  I don't have any good ideas right now, so I'll
keep using the names of the channels, but I'm looking forward to a
better suggestion.

- Josh
From: jwiegand@moe.eng.temple.edu (James Wiegand)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: OS vs SYSTEM TYPE (long) [OS]
Date: 14 Dec 92 16:47:22 GMT
Organization: Temple University EE Dept.

In article <BCR.92Dec13121930@hfl3sn02.cern.ch> bcr@cernapo.cern.ch (Bill Riemers) writes:
>
>After reading through all those back articles in both comp.os.linux
>and comp.os.bsd I've come to the conclusion the best thing for a
>new user to do would be to install MSDOS, LINUX, and 386BSD on thier
>computer.  However, it sounds like you have to reboot your computer
>everytime you want to change your system type!  This might seem
>reasonable until you stop and ask yourself what is the purpose of
>an OS?  Mind you my understanding (mind you I am not a computer
>scientist) is that an OS is what provides an interphase between
>software and hardware for all programs.  That is why on an APOLLO
>computer I can switch readily between the system types of 
>BSD4.2, BSD4.3, SYS5.0, SYS5.3, and AEGIS without rebooting the
>machine.  (Even without re-loging in.)  All of these system types
>work through DOMAIN-OS.
[ ... ]
>The way this swapping of system type works on APOLLOs is:
>
>   ver system-type command   ==> excutes one command in the
>                                 selected system type
>
>   ver system-type           ==> switches to the selected
>                                 system type
>
>The system SYSTYPE tells the OS what type of system you are
>operating in.  So rather than having a root '/bin' directory, you have:
>
>  '/sys5.3/bin'
>  '/bsd4.3/bin'
>

Here at Temple we have an Apollo ring (and I use that term loosely), so I
am somewhat familiar with what you are saying. One summer, they spent
a year upgrading to Domain 10.2 (the first Unix-y release they installed).
The problem is, the Apollo systems run Domain as their native operating 
system (exec, file systems, ACL, window managers) and everything else
is layered on top. This brought programs like the print spooler, 
IDEAS, and ANSYS to their knees. Print jobs whent from 10 min. to 40+ min.
The operating system doubled in size and swapped much more frequently.
This was on a network that already had space problems!

The point is, a system like this takes a 50% - 60% performance hit.
Having user-mode programs like the DOS-emulator is better since you
only take the performance hit when you need to. When you build it 
into the kernel, there is NO way around it.

Besides, I don't think any of the gurus would write such a beast anyway.

jim
whose only affiliation with Temple is being one of their students.
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: rchen@fraser.sfu.ca (Robert Chen)
Subject: Re: Linux + X + modem + PC = X terminal ?
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 20:00:47 GMT

In article <1gke20INN41b@nekkar.anu.edu.au> william@cs.anu.edu.au (William Sun) writes:
>Hi, netters,
>
>I have a PC and a modem at home, and I also have a SUN SPARC station
>in university. I'm planning to install Linux and X in my PC. 
>
>Here is the question: Is it possible to use my PC as a X terminal?  
>So I can connect to my SUN workstation through the modem, run X
>applications and display windows in my PC.
>
>Thanks,
>
>William

YES!  If your university supports SLIP, just get ka9q from tsx-11 and
follow the instructions.  I run remote X11 using a 14.4kbps v.32bis
modem.  The data compression really seems to help with remote X.

- Ken
From: ig25@fg30.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: File libm.a not found while linking Gnuplot
Date: 17 Dec 1992 15:05:31 GMT
Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany
Reply-To: ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
NNTP-Posting-Host: fg30.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de

I tried to build Gnuplot 3.2, using the command make linux. Compilation
ran ok, but when the linker was called, I got the error message

ld: file not found for libm.a

The loader options for CC were -lm -lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11 .

Of course, removing the -lm option resulted in many missing symbol errors.

Strange thing is, when I compiled a simple test program requiring a math
function and using -lm, everything worked fine.

I'm using 0.99 (compiled with Linus' two patches) and the library as
supplied with the SLS 0.98pl5 version.

What's going on?
-- 
Thomas Koenig, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double logarithmic
diagram.
From: hellers@cs.wisc.edu (Joe Hellerstein)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: InterViews possible bug
Date: 15 Dec 92 19:47:22 GMT
	<injoh.27.724421021@rz.tu-clausthal.de>
Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin @ Madison, CS Dept.

In article <injoh.27.724421021@rz.tu-clausthal.de> injoh@rz.tu-clausthal.de (Jochen Hein) writes:

>   In article <31088@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com> ghart@ems.cdc.com (Geoffrey Hart) writes:
>   >I have a 486/33, 16MB RAM, no swap, ET4000 LB, SLS 98.2, UltraStor 14F with
>   >3 HDs and many partitions.
>   Forex 386/40, Cyrix 387, 16MB, no swap, SLS 98p5, Trident VGA
>
>   >I get the core dump when I *rotate* any text!  It seems text handling is
>   >the problem.  Anyone else?
>
>   The same thing... :-(
>   On a 486/50 it is running fine. 
>
>   cu 
>       Jochen
>   Reply to HEIN@VAX.IN.TU-CLAUSTHAL.DE
>
>   Linux: The best text-adventure of the world! 
>

I also get idraw dumping core when I scale text but a non-integral
amount (I tried scaling by 0.75 0.75, but 1.5 1.5, and 2 2, and only
the last one worked.)

Joe Hellerstein
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: boutell@isis.cshl.org (Tom Boutell)
Subject: ISAM?
Organization: Cold Spring Harbor Labs
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 20:01:50 GMT

Is there an ISAM implementation available for Linux? It's the last
really unavoidable piece I need in order to be able to port the
application suite I am developing under SunOS, and I'd really
enjoy being able to port it to my own machine.

-T

-- 
Tom Boutell, boutell@cshl.org

Clausthaler is the best non - alcoholic beer in the known universe.
From: dsc3pzp@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Philip Perucci)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: LINUX, Unix, and opportunity for change
Date: 18 Dec 92 17:56:28 GMT
Organization: Naval Medical Research & Development Command

In article <1992Dec17.154505.8927@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> mleech@bnr.ca (Marcus Leech) writes:
>
>Parameterization of system modules, including the kernel and critical
>  system processes.  It is desirable to have a highly parameterized kernel
>  with as many of the system parameters tunable dynamically as possible.
>  There needs to be a consisent mechanism for specifying and tuning
>  system parameters; anyone who's used SYSGEN on VMS knows what I'm
>  talking about. The ability to dynamically load device drivers [LINUX
>  may already have this--I'm not yet a LINUX system manager].
>

Yes!  Most people can't (or won't) compile the kernel, but the ability
to configure kernel parameters and device drivers is more common-place.

>  Along with
>  parameterization, theres a *strong* (IMHO) need for *instrumentation*--
>  a system manager needs to know what's going on in the system, its
>  peripherals, and its user processes. Too often, writers of device drivers
>  ignore instrumentation, even though it's cheap and highly useful. I'd like
>  to (for example) be able to do the Unix equivalent of the [VMS] SHO DEV/FILES
>  command.  Instrumentation should be considered at least as important as
>  functionality and performance.

Sure would be nice!


Then again, let me say I am quite grateful for what has already been
accomplished.  Thank-you Linus!!!

-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: c0033010@rznb31.rz.tu-bs.de (KOhne)
Subject: [Q]: 98p6 and 99 die on booting - swapper task
Organization: TU Braunschweig, Informatik, Bueltenweg, Germany
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 14:10:52 GMT


Last week I've tried to upgrade to 98p6 by recompiling the new kernel and
making a new bootdisk (yes, I don not use Lilo) ... compiling was fine, but
when I tried to boot from the new disk I've got the following:


(after recognizing my SCSI disk correctly ...)
general protection: 0000
EIP: 0008:0004C461
EFLAGS: 00010286
fs: 0017
base: C0000000, limit 000A0000
PID: 0, process nr: 0
C7 02 00 00 00 00 A1 68 FF 04
task[0] (swapper) killed - unable to recover
kernel panic: trying to free up swapper memory space
in swapper task - not syncing


Then it all halts ... I've tried the 99 version, too - with the same
result. But I can boot it from my old 98p5 bootdisk ...

Is there a way to get 98p6 or 99 running ? My machine is a 486 with 
8 meg RAM and a SCSI disk on an AHA1542B

Please, is there any solution ? Maybe something has changed for compiling
the kernel from 98p5 to 98p6 ? Any options etc. ?




Sven Kuehne                        Technische Universitaet Braunschweig
c0033010@ws.rz.tu-bs.de            Rechenzentrum
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: timp@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Tim Posney)
Subject: version 0.99 woes
Organization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 21:39:25 GMT

Hi, being all excited about 0.99 I thought I would give it a try.
I am not a guru, but have successfully built 0.98.6, inserted tcpip
code and 3c503 drivers etc and can read a FAQ.

Version 0.99 builds without a warning (I have everything turned on).

When it boots it goes through to the stage of saying partition tables
ok and then dies with a 'kernal cannot execute paging request at....' 

The only stuff I have added to the kernel is the 3c503 driver and
the card seems to be detected ok, much earlier in the boot sequence.

I can't see anything that might be screwing it up. (I am booting of a
floppy so that lilo can't be getting in the way).

I recompiled with almost everything turned off with exactly the same effect,
except that the kernel was smaller.

Any suggestions, is this a FAQ, or generally useful information would be
much appreciated.

regards tim

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: fcrews@WES.ARMY.MIL (FORD CREWS)
Subject: comp.os.linux as mail
Organization: ITL
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:44:09 GMT
Summary: How to get comp.os.linux via mail
X-Posted-From: buzzard.wes.army.mil
NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

I don't have a reliable nntp newsreader and would like to get this echo
via mail.  Is there a way to do this and if so how.

thanks,
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: ammo@cc.gatech.edu (Ammo Goettsch)
Subject: tcp/ip support and the Makefile of 0.99
Reply-To: ammo@cc.gatech.edu (Ammo Goettsch)
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 01:11:14 GMT

I disabled TCP/IP throught the "make config" option of the kernel Makefile
for version 0.99. In .../net/Makefile, it still wants to link in 
tcp/tcpip.o, which of course had not been compiled, since the make file
in .../net/tcp never gets executed ifndef CONFIG_TCPIP. 

Is the link line in the make file wrong or should it have been compiled?

Also, what will happen if I compile TCP/IP but have no network card?

Ammo Goettsch
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: MONEY + Linux
From: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)
Organization: The Man With Ten Cats
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:14:47 GMT
Reply-To: rmk@rmkhome.UUCP (Rick Kelly)

In article <BzEyD3.23J.2@cs.cmu.edu> ddj+@cs.cmu.edu (Doug DeJulio) writes:
>In article <1992Dec17.033917.2963@midway.uchicago.edu> goer@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>Can Linux go on forever without some commercial support?  I mean,
>>it's hard to see anything as useful that's maintained by folks that
>>aren't doing it for a living - at least the size of a 386 UNIX
>>implementation.  Is there some way that a useful remuneration path
>>can be arranged.  E.g. could universities be site-licensed, thereby
>>gaining the right to have attention paid to their bugs and config-
>>uration problems, and to receive regular updates?
>
>A commercial support organization like this already exists!  This is
>the sort of thing Cygnus Support exists for.  A university could,
>right now, contact Cygnus about a support contract for Linux.
>Individuals are also free to provide the same service.  Are you saying
>you think there needs to be a single central source for such support?
>Why?
>
>Does anyone from Cygnus want to comment on this?  Does anyone from
>Cygnus read comp.os.linux?


From what I understand, this is how Cygnus would do it:

1. Get a specific SLS release of Linux.

2. Fine tune it and fix bugs to their satisfaction.

3. Sell the release for some minimal price or give it away.

4. Charge $1000 per year for a support contract.

-- 

Rick Kelly	rmk@rmkhome.UUCP	unixland!rmkhome!rmk	rmk@frog.UUCP
From: bobh@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Bob Headrick)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 17:39:43 GMT
Subject: Re: S3 vs. ET4000?
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux


>So, the question is, what kind of performance improvement (if any) can I expect
>from the S3 card?  Is it worth it?  I intend to be doing mostly text editing in
>X.  Does it make any difference in this case?

I've run x11perf on both a F1280 S3 card, as well as an ISA ET4000 card.
The S3 card is about 2-3X as fast in text operations.  TEsts were run
with a 50Mhx 486.  I do not have any data on the local bus version of
the ET4000.

Bob Headrick
bobh@cup.hp.com  [These opinions do not reflect thos of my employer,
etc]

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: dmw@teal.csn.org (Dave Warner)
Subject: Xstones for Gateway DX2-66V
Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 04:34:25 GMT


Just had to see how fast it was -- linux0.98.1, no tcp, Xfree1.1

TOTAL    193536 lineStones
TOTAL     22459 fillStones
TOTAL     10049 blitStones
TOTAL   4052466 arcStones
TOTAL    212437 textStones
TOTAL     24836 complexStones
TOTAL     31045 xStones

--dave

| Dave Warner            | e-mail: dmw@csn.org |
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: bjjung@love (administrator)
Subject: A question about TCP/IP [repost]
Organization: KAIST in Seoul, Korea
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 92 03:24:45 GMT

Hello, Linuxers..

I use Xfree86 and TCP/IP. That almost work well.
but sometimes when I run some remote X program (ex maze) from SUN3,
X hangs with message as follows.

WD8013 transmit timed out
love vmunix: *** tcp.c:tcp_data bug acked < copied

And almost TCP/IP client programs (telnet, ftp..) hangs occasionally.
So, I prefer using 'minicom' because of stability .

I think it's some timing constants, but I have no idea about it.

And onother question ..

I downloaded new SLS tcpip.taz from tsx-11.mit.edu. 
but new telnet seems no longer input 8bit characters.
It's very unuseful here using in 8-bit characters..

Is any options and patches for 8-bit charaters ??

Hardware 
AMD386-40
8M ram
ET3000 vga
WD8003 ethernet card.

Thanks for reading.                                         bjjung.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: phillip@seq.uncwil.edu (Alvin P. Phillips)
Subject: executables
Keywords: SLS p5
Organization: Univ. of North Carolina @ Wilmington
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 03:44:34 GMT

Ok, I'm an idiot.

in response to why an executable wouldn't work, it was pointed

out to me (thanks Matt) that the . dir has to be in the PATH

statement.  I looked in my /etc/profile, and it looked like this:

PATH="$PATH:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/X386/bin."

notice the missing ":" before the "."

I was using SLS p5, so I don't know if the profile came like

that, or if I accidentally altered it sometime.

thanks for the responses.

later,

Alvin...


_______________________________________________________________________
+   Remember, Hercules is a Dog    |       phillip@seq.uncwil.edu     + 
+   - James Taylor Oct. 22, 1991   |          Alvin P. Phillips       +
+   in refrence to "Copperline"    |           (919) 452-0045         +
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Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
From: Rob_Prior@mindlink.bc.ca (Rob Prior)
Subject: Help installing Xwindows under Linux with ATI Vantage
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 07:58:13 GMT

Help!

I have an ATI Vantage graphics card and want to run XWindows.  Can someone
mail me an Xconfig that will work with this setup, and any other info that I
may need to get running?

I've tried modifying the existing config, but I get nowhere.  When I run X, I
get a blank screen and no action.  I can still switch to another terminal
with [Alt]-[F2|F3|F4], and login and reboot, but I have to do it blind.  The
terminal seems to respond, but with no graphics.  The terminal that i've
started X from becomes completely locked and does nothing.

I have a 486/33 with a Quantum 105MB HD and a Samtron SC1428TX, if this is
helpful.  Oh, and the Vantage has 1.5MB of memory:  512K for the Vantage
side, and 1.0 MB for the Accelerator/8514 side.

A driver that runs in 8514 mode would be preferable... :)

Thanks for any and all help!

PS - when I boot linux, it says Bus mouse: not found or something like
that... is there a patch somewhere that will allow linux to recognize the bus
mouse on the Vantage card?

Rob

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