From: crb2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Chad R. Berthelson)
Subject: Re: Liberal Bias Example
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:11:43 GMT

Chris.Holt@newcastle.ac.uk (Chris Holt) writes:

>>It is awfully ironic to me to hear this kind of argument from the very
>>people who call conservatives closed-minded.

>You're suggesting that there is no doubt about one or all of:
>  i. Bush did something substantial to cause the collapse of the USSR;
>     [I'd be interested to hear what you think he did, presumably
>     as head of the CIA or as VP]

I think he did...I take note in the fact (as a veteran) the Army
(and all the services) trained and prepared to fight the Soviet Army
(about the only thing anyone gave them credit for having very good, 
besides vodka and cavier).  Then when we got to test our neato-torpedo
weapons and stuff (night vision goggles...) out, it happened to be
on Soviet equipment (always seen as formidable).  The facts turned out
that our bullets (from an M1) exploded a T72 tank with even a HEAT round
(our cheapest ones...) while a T72 round just bounced off of M1's...

I know the USSR was in trouble along time ago (because Communism sucks),
but I feel like any thoughts of militarily fixing their problems got
shot down in Saudi Arabia..

Bush also had a big hand in grooming ole' birthmark-head, which directly
lead to the collapse of the Union (a failed Coup?).

> ii. Bush's claim that Clinton raised taxes 128 times while he
>     raised them once makes sense; [I gather that the 128 figure
>     includes such things as an increase in ethanol tax counting
>     six times, separately for wine, beer, spirits, etc., in
>     which case Bush's once can also be broken into parts]

I agree that we (the republicans) got every last tax increase out of the
list (I read Mike Kingsly's report too), but the 6 above increases did
go in the books as 6 different laws.  I also remember Clinton stating
that George Bush 'was NEVER home for the last 4 years, out of the country
for 4 years...and now he wants to discover America'...hmm....do you honestly
believe that Bush has been out of the country for 4 years now??  I don't
think so...(funny how the same people accuse him of being out of the country
that accuse him of 'spending all his time in Maine')

I would also point out that Reagon did not REALLY know Thomas Jefferson,
but it was hillarious anyway!
 

>iii. The Republicans claiming that the Democrats are against
>     "family values" is valid.  [What kind of workable definition
>     of family values can be introduced for this to be sensible?]

Al Gore was voted as 3rd best senator (behind Ted Kennedy and
Barney Frank) by one group of individuals (in California..)

Hint: That group is NOT who I get MY family values from...

>Unless you want to defend one of these, I don't think you can
>talk about "this kind of argument" being ironic.

I doubt you put any credence into my rebuttal, but then again..
I didn't put any credence into your original statements either...

Chad

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Chad R. Berthelson		Graduate Research/Teaching Assistant
crb2@ra.msstate.edu		Biological Engineering
cberth@abe.msstate.edu		Mississippi State University
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