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From: Linda.Birmingham@brunel.ac.uk (Linda Birmingham)
Subject: Re: Tai Chi--energy work? (was Tai Chi: A Dynamic Meditation?)
Keywords: Hatha yoga, Kundalini, Chi
Organization: Brunel University, West London, UK
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 16:04:27 GMT

Hi Toshi,

In article <1992Aug10.195548.11179@cco.caltech.edu> tt@wag.caltech.edu (Toshi Takeuchi) writes:
>
>What am I saying?
>
>I am trying to claim that Hatha yoga and Tai Chi will simply be physical
>exercise (for the most part) unless some awareness of the "Chi" or
>"Kundalini" is placed within the movement.  It is probably not dynamic 
>meditation or "yoga" unless awareness is placed upon the energy system as
>these exercises are performed.

I wonder if this is so. There are many meditation practices that do
not focus on the energy system. When you are using an object as
a focus of concentration the object does not have to be the energy system.

I beleive that when you start practising chakra meditation with Hatha Yoga
it would be more correct to call it Kundalini/Tantric Yoga. In
Hatha yoga the focus is within the body but I have been taught that
the practise of Hatha Yoga with focus on the chakras is quite advanced and
should only be taught by experienced teachers.

I've only done a little Tai Chi but I found it had a very meditative effect,
just from following the movements with no awareness of the energies .. infact
I think awareness of the energies would distract you from being "one"
with the energies. As the Chi starts to flow while doing the movements
you are one with it. When one with it there is no awareness of it....
that is my experience .. and ofcourse I bow to the experts that are watching
my comments with a knowing smile :-)

>However, in general, most people will say that Hatha yoga is one of the
>more difficult paths of yoga for the "realization of the self" or whatever
>you want to call it.  I think the same may be true of Tai Chi.  The reason
>might be that the development of the energy system may be harder than
>in a sitting meditation for many people.
All these practices are stepping stones on the path. Eventually
we must let them all go. 

>However, I think that Tai Chi instructors, in general, tend to emphasize the
>feelings within the body more than hatha yoga instructors.
That IS a generalisation. How many Hatha and Tai Chi teachers have you had ?
>
>Toshi
>tt@wag.caltech.edu
>
>P.S. Another dynamic meditation that I found very interesting are Sufi
>     spins.  I was also taught a slower spin that is also very beneficial
>     to me.

I would love to do some Sufi work.

Linda.


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From: kish@titania.rutgers.edu (Kish)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern
Subject: Re: The Meaning of Soul
Date: 17 Aug 92 16:19:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Aug18.000109.20192
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

jdavis:
+ drop the thought of personality as divorced from soul, and drop
+ the thought of soul as something you possess--a kind of obscure
+ balloon on a string tethered to your earthly form.
+ 
+ Visualize the soul as the consciousness principle, core of self--
+ the innermost source of intelligence, love, beauty, order, and
+ action, etc.
+ 
+ Reverse the "bored" attribute--give it the wonder of child-like
+ delight, the delicious intensity spirited adventure.
+ 
+ The color and white part is also a backwards concept.  Its like
+ this:
+ 
+ I have seen a flame, who's colors never die.
+ A fire that lights and burns, but touches not the life.
+ A flame who's mystery and mission we seek.
+ The very life and soul of you and I.
+ 

A few questions for James Davis - in your view, is a soul subject to 
impermanence ?  How about cause and effect ?  Does a soul exist inherently, 
from its own side ?  Is the statement "A soul is a dependent arising." 
divergent from your own point of view ?

-Bill
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Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern
From: wong@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Wong Weng Fai)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern
Subject: MCP ?
Date: 19 Aug 92 04:30:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Aug19.082017.26136
Organization: ----

Hi,

Joe Stewart quotes MEHER BABA  taken from "Discourses Vol. III"...

>As a rule, men excel in qualities of the head and will.  They are
>capable of sound judgment and steadfast purpose.  As a rule,
>women excel in qualities of the heart.  They are capable of
>intense love which makes them welcome any sacrifice for the loved
>one.  ...

	Hmmm ... isn't this sexist and stereotypical ? Being a male, I can
vouch that the first statement simply isn't true. Can't speak for the females
though, may be some ladies can comment on this.

Regards,

W.F. Wong.
Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern
From: cup.portal.com!Tagi%portal@uunet.UU.NET
Subject: Re: Enlightened Beings
Organization: ----
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:30:38 GMT

9208.21 e.v.


Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
The word of Sin is Restriction.


Kristian asks if there are 'genuinely enlightened' beings (on the planet?).
I happen to know one or two, so I'll forward their location to you.


Take the road through Saratoga, CA into the foothills and continue into
the forest and to the center of Big Basin State Park.  There you'll find
an enclave of Realized Masters.  Take a walk by yourself through the
old growth trees.  If you keep your mind clear and your heart open you'll
soon be contacted by these Masters.  If not, then perhaps you're not
ready!  May all the joy of life find its way to your door.

Good luck!

Invoke me under my stars.   Love is the law, love under will.


I am I!


Frater (I) Nigris (666)
From: wong@rkna50.riken.go.jp (Wong Weng Fai)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern
Subject: All is perfect ?
Date: 17 Aug 92 05:52:46 GMT
Article-I.D.: qiclab.1992Aug18.000012.20092
Organization: ----

Hi,

>(Sri Gopalakrishna) writes:
>
>| This whole world is nothing but a manifectation of the cosmic mind...
>| In reality, there is only Perfection...
>
>		-Sri Gopalkrishna
>
>Everything is perfect. All our suffering is merely an illusion...

	This together with the other Calvinist extreme of "man's only worth
is in realizing his worthlessness" is the two biggest lies that have enslaved
millions and robbed and is continuing to rob countless of their dignity while
paralyzing others to Stoic inaction. These two extremes must be avoided for
humanity's sake.

	"so you see, all is perfect just as it is ...
	 by the way, watch it, you shadow is about to pollute mine."

Regards,

W.F. Wong.
From: jdavis@netlink.cts.com (James Davis)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern
Subject: Rebirth in Male/Female Bodies
Date: 16 Aug 92 18:19:11 GMT
Organization: ----

Recent discussion questions whether the soul can incarnate as
either sex.  Someone cites a list of modern Eastern teachers as
having held the view that the individual takes only male or
female incarnations.  No quotes or references were given.

Western parapsychological evidence supports the idea that the
soul does indeed take male and female incarnations (see "Reliving
Past Lives, The Evidence of Over 1,000 Hypnosis-Induced Past-Life
Recalls," by Helen Wambach, Ph.D.).  This large scale
investigation finds that the same individual commonly reports
memories of both male and female incarnations.  

This agrees with my own experience.  I have talked with a number
of individuals over the years who report memories of former
lives.  Both male and female incarnations of the same individual
were typical.

An interesting related point:  Wambach did statistical analysis
of his 1,000 people.  As a group they recalled about equal
numbers of male and female incarnations.  This is in accordance
with biological history.  Based on imagination, fantasy,
prejudice, people would be expected to report a higher percentage
of male lives, which Wambach notes is the (consciously) preferred
type incarnation.

It seems obvious to me that the spirit contains all
potentialities.  It seems obvious also that the soul's experience
is not limited.  The soul contains the essence of the divine
feminine and divine masculine acquired by personal experience. 
To close an identification with the body impedes imagination.


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Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern
From: mw@ki.fht-mannheim.de (Marc Wachowitz)
Subject: Re: Enlightened Beings
Organization: Fachhochschule fuer Technik Mannheim
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 06:24:04 GMT

Thomas J. McFarlane <mcfarlan@corona.math.washington.edu> wrote:
: I have heard of so-called "idiots of God" who are self-realized
: but pretty much useless as teachers.
How do you know? Perhaps showing how to live without those "uses" mankind
has invented is a very worthy teaching?
Maybe the "idiot" has just stripped off the conventional deluded "values",
which have brought us to the current state of mankind?

Btw, Chuang-Tzu wrote quite a lot about the wise being useless - and he didn't
mean it in a negative way at all.

: If you met a man who drinks and smokes and eats red meat and has sex, would
: you say he could not be enlightened?  Why or why not?
Why not just listen to what someone says independently of (one's guesses about)
his/her "status"?

: Can we ever know whether or not someone else is really enlightened?
: If not, how can we at least build up a strong confidence?
I'd suggest strong doubt :-)

: What are your criteria and how do they fit them?
Maybe it would be more worthwhile to examine one's general criteria and their
"background", what's going on "behind the words", instead of who fits them.
Sometimes questions can be more important than answers.

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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517)
Subject: Re: Some random thoughts (long)
Reply-To: mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517)
Organization: Interleaf, Inc.
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 05:13:30 GMT

In article <10150@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> sean@cs.strath.ac.uk (Sean Ahern) writes:
> In article <1992Aug9.225130.7486@HQ.Ileaf.COM> mhk@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mark Kaepplein x1517) writes:
> >"male" subjects. So do many bi and gay men. Queens get on famously
> >with straight women because they adopt a female communication style.
> 
>   Adopting a 'female' communication style, and dividing conversation
> up into 'typically male' and 'typically female' smacks of sexism
> to me.  I have always, and will continue to always, talk to people
> as equals.   To practice  what you call'female communication'
> seems, to me, as nothing more than patronisation.  

You don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about. Don't you talk
differently depending on the audience?  Do you communicate the same
way to mom as your lover?  A friend as a business client?  Someone
you like vs. someone you don't?

> >Why, I even nodded to being gay in order
> >to get in the Clit Club in NYC with a lesbian friend. Saying no
> >and defending my manhood at the time would not have worked well.
> 
>   Uh-oh.   Now to me that falls under the category of lying
> to your own advantage in the manner of some guy answering 
> 'Of course I love you' just so he can get laid.  Not the same
> degree of course, but just as hollow.  Lip-service.

I was a good boy and behaved myself. Even rescued my friend from
a persistant admirer. So, what's the difference?

>  You sure this isnt just a pose you're adopting to get better
> chances at coming on to these women?  Deliberate adoption of a
> non-threatening exterior to say 'hey *Im* not like those other guys,
> you can sleep with me'...?
> 
Yeah, I'm sure its not. You must read too much soc.singles.

>   You might find it worthwhile to stop posing, and treat women
> as people, rather than objects to present a useful facade to.
> 
> White Rabbit
> 
> *  White Rabbit; sharp teeth and claws, long hair, waistcoat * 
> * and pocketwatch.  Sometimes late, and often predatory,     * 
> * particularily if there's Guinness involved.  If you see    * 
> * Alice, tell her I was wrong.  Feed your head.  Hail Eris!  * 

Poser? me?  People who wear motorcycle jackets who don't ride are
posers. I treat everyone as a human being, from my company's president
to street people. I'd treat you as a human being too, except you think
you're a Rabbit or some shit and accuse ME of putting on an act.

Later (only get to read on weekends),
Mark
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Introduction
From: witbrock@otago.ac.nz
Date: 23 Aug 92 12:31:26 +1300
Organization: University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand

In article <BtDL02.82o@ibmpcug.co.uk>, gtoal@ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:
> 
> Deal!  (it's a take-away only though)  I'm up early today to get the 12:00
> train to Edinburgh to go up & fix the Sparc this weekend.  Someone went
> ahead and booked a flight without waiting to see if it was working! Grrr! :)

Yay! 8-)   If I hadnt booked, I might not have got there till New Year!
There were only a dozen seats left before mid-September as it is.
Besides which, I really cant leave Andrew destitute any longer.
Saxon might never learn about operating systems properly if she is 
deprived of the paternal interaction at this point.
> 
> See you soon, homegirl!
Moi? Quoi?
yer probably are right, you old bear, you!
Ann
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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: reamy@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Diane Reamy)
Subject: Re: Announcing...
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:10:07 GMT

In article <1992Aug12.101501.27948@news.Hawaii.Edu> johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan) writes:
>
>Reminds me of a button I saw on a Bay Area bi activist:
>
>"I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat vegetables."

I like my version better:  "I didn't sleep my way to the top of the
food chain just to eat vegetarians."
-- 
Diane Reamy [reamy@silver.lcs.mit.edu]		Speaker to Vegetables
						Mistress of the Obvious
Q:  Will my love betray me?
-- 
Diane [reamy@silver.lcs.mit.edu]		Speaker to Vegetables
						Mistress of the Obvious
Q:  Will my love betray me?
A:  Who else would?		[M. Groening]
From: Sa121@phx.cam.ac.uk (Arrowsmith)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Who am I anyway?
Date: 21 Aug 92 19:22:14 GMT
Organization: Bad Grammar

In article <1992Aug20.160315.8278@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmchale@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>In <17886@acorn.co.uk> osmith@acorn.co.uk (Owen Smith) writes:
>>[...] The surprising thing is, there aren't many (any?) postings on
>>soc.bi like this. Have you all got yourselves together or what?
>
>It is very easy to read the discussions on soc.bi and think that all
>the posters are perfectly at ease with themselves (and especially their
>sexuality). 
> [ ... ]
>
I'm certainly a good deal more sorted out with regards to my sexuality
than I am in a lot of aspects of my life -- but that's probably more
because my life's been very messed up in the last year.  I've had to 
use sexuality as an anchor for any sort of self-identity at times, and
having soc.bi around has helped it to be that strong.  What this group
has done for me, more than helping me with my own identity, is to make
me aware of the associated issues -- I can't slip back into the 
detatched asexual life I had before, I look at the world as a bisexual,
and it's soc.bi that opened my eyes (yuck, lets' cut this prose before
it gets any worse!)

>>Anyway, the person I was talking to asked in what way soc.bi was helpful to
>>me, since she'd felt a bit shunned and ignored when she posted here.
>
>It's a matter of chance whether a particular posting will be followed up
>or not. 
> [ ... ]
>
I felt like I was being ignored at first, but as that was back in the
early days (all of a year ago!) and there wasn't the "friendly"
reputation, I stuck with it, and people still ignored me.  Having
determined that the stuff was getting out onto the net, I decided that
no-one was interested in my views (limited as the necessarily are)
and only continued posting for the glorious sense of wasting bandwidth
(-8

>>[...]
>>There are hundreds of people on soc.bi, and all of them think I'm
>>perfectly normal. Wow!
>
>I would have phrased it differently. I think you are perfectly perverted...
>
Reminds me of me explaining the Kinsey scale to a boyfriend as ranging
from zero to six, corresponding to perfectly heterosexual [causing
consternation in the explainee] to perfectly homosexual [understanding
dawns]....


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Newsgroups: soc.bi
From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Subject: Re: 'together' & 'at ease..' 
Followup-To: soc.bi
Originator: lunde@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Reply-To: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
Organization: Ministry of Silly Walks
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 23:58:12 GMT

In article <1992Aug22.182532.190943@zeus.calpoly.edu> c
johnson@zeus.calpoly.edu (Coe Salzgeber) writes:
>You got it.  I lost the other post about what "together" means to someone,
>but i agree - it's an internal consistency, a feeling that you are who you
>want to be, and you act how you want to act.
>
>In a medium like soc.bi, some subtleties are lost, so often you don't see
>the doubt that is behind some posts.  When someone makes a statement, that
>is taken as their one true opinion, while in RL it may be only one facet 
>of what they truly (currently) believe.  Everyone has doubts, but some on
>soc.bi may appear not to, so they are seen as more "together".

I'm a mass of quirks, insecurities, and inconsistancies -- but they're
*mine all mine*.  

A side effect of both being publicly "out" for a number
of years and doing some local bi organizing is that I may have a
more glib patter when it comes to making sweeping generalizations
about bisexuality. Also, I have mostly exausted my ability to shock
my het friends, so that I'm not feeling like as if I was taking big new
risks.

However, age has not brought "wisdom" when it comes to the nitty-gritty
of relationships -- I still alternate between being shy and blunt,
and my desires outrun my ability to fullfill them.

-- 
 Albert Lunde         | Interfaith  |     *Y*Y*      "A branch on the
 Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu |  Bisexual   |      *Y*        tree of life"
 alunde@nuacvm.bitnet |  Feminist   |.......|.........................
Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
From: swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter)
Subject: Re: queer marriage - personal problem
Originator: swc@owl
Organization: Citibank IBISM
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:09:11 GMT


In article <1992Aug19.200859.3208@fig.citib.com>, glp@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
|> 
|> In article <1992Aug19.190011.2717@fig.citib.com>, swc@fig.citib.com (Steve Carpenter) writes:
|> 
|> |> ...and what would I do with my wash-n-wear Brides Maid Outfit??
|> 
|> Child, *you* are *always* the bride.  The times
|> you've gotten close to being a bridesmaid you've 
|> turned it into a group wedding.
|> 
|> Or so I hear.
|> 
|> -- 
|> Greg Parkinson                  Phone: 212-657-7814  Fax: 212-825-8607
|> Citibank,111 Wall Street        E-Mail: glp@fig.citib.com
|> New York, New York  10043
|> The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.



Dear.....

If you recall, *I* was not the one at The Altar with her kneepads.


			<snap!>

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From: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Subject: Re: Gender difference?
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:49:00 GMT
Reply-To: cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk


[Angi Wrote:]

>I am physically aware of the penetration for up to 2-4 days afterwards.
>I did a quick survey.  The women agreed.  The men hadn't heard of the
>lingering effects before and it didn't happen to them. 

I think I've experienced something similar, but funnily enough, it's
not based on penetration. I've been *very* affected by the emotional
impact of having sex with someone and that effect has lasted sometimes for
a couple of days, it can be as subtle as having permanently erect nipples 
(and they can be sore after a few days) or goosebumps, shaking 
(with excitement), or generally becoming more emotional (laughing or 
crying)... 

Perhaps what I experience is a heightened emotional state - it's different
from the euphoric feeling one gets after a really good orgasm - and the
way one reacts to the heightened senses affects one physically.

>I got to wondering what emotional effects this could have.
>I wonder if that explains why men (in general) find it easier to >compartment-
alise the different parts of their life than women do? 
>If you can feel the physical effect of a lover days afterwards, 
>thoughts of them are bound to surface more readily. 

>Any comments?

I agree, but for me the physical effects are far more vivid when the
emotional attachment is higher. I find it hard to compartmentalise
different parts of my life anyway... especially nowadays.


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| Journalist and learn how to write..."        |cliveg@compulink.uucp |
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From: bethan@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Bethan Davies)
Newsgroups: soc.bi
Subject: Re: Bethan's Birthday Greetings
Date: 12 Aug 92 18:40:19 GMT
Followup-To: soc.bi
Distribution: soc.bi
Organization: Centre for Cognitive Science, Edinburgh, UK

In article <5679@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> dente@els.ee.man.ac.uk (Colin Dente) writes:
>In article <memo.566504@cix.compulink.co.uk>, cliveg@cix.compulink.co.uk (Clive Grace) writes:
>
>|> ...it was Bethan's Birthday on Friday...

Certainly was.... and a very _good_ birthday it was too. Lots of food,
drink, silly conversations, wacky clothes.... almost good enough to
detract from the speedy passage of another year... <smile>

>
>Well, I'm late as usual (as in the late Dentecolindente)
>

Not your fault. My b**** mailer ate my carefully contrived message,
and god knows what other E-mail (did you get a reply from me btw, Colin?).
The gallant Clive volunteered to post for me when I whinged to him....
<HUG>

>Happy birthday Bethan!
>
>Have a birthday *hug* and <snuggles>
>
>Colin

<blush> Why, _thank_ you Colin.... and to all those other nice people who
sent me greetings.... life is *just about* allowing me to keep up with soc.bi
at the moment, so please excuse a lack of more personal 'thank yous'...
Just beware if you're going to Norwich...|-)


                            <snuggles>


                                Bethan


ObLycraRef : alt.lycra has made it to Edinburgh!!!!