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From: eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Movies you were forced to see
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:50:53 CDT
Organization: Management Graphics, Inc.

I know I'm not alone as someone who was forced/guilted into seeing a movie
that my spouse wanted to see.  Here's a partial list, with commentary.  Have
any other guys out there been forced/guilted into seeing these movies?

	Pretty Woman - she enjoyed it, I would have preferred prison camp
	torture to watching this movie.  PW was the reason I have since
	invoked my "no more Julia Roberts" rule.

	Cousins - we were both surprised at how much we enjoyed this movie.
	I was completely prepared to hate it, but it wasn't bad at all.

	Sleeping With The Enemy - I saw this before PW, and again, hated it.
	Patrick Bergin was a decent bad guy, but the movie was totally
	predictable, even down to the dialogue.  A perfect example of the
	lack of talent in Hollywood.  This was a dime a dozen, half-ass
	attempt at a thriller.  My wife even mocked this movie.

	Deceived - Goldie Hawn was OK, but again, this movie was totally
	predictable.  Barely worth rental price ($2.30).

	Broadcast News - one of the most overrated movies ever.  Holly Hunter
	is clearly a member of the non-actors guild.  Wm. Hurt was the same
	character for the nth movie in a row.  Albert Brooks was the only
	good thing in the movie.

	Crossing Delancey - a great movie.  We both loved it and have seen it
	at least 3 times now.  The main guy (can't think of his name) is a great
	actor and plays a real man (nice to see in this day of PC).  The other
	supporting characters are terriffic, especially Amy Irving's mother.

	Moonstruck - another great movie.  I generally can't stand Cher,
	especially when she's singing.  But the entire cast was terriffic.

	When Harry Met Sally - one of my all-time fav' movies.  I remember
	seeing the commercials for it and thinking "that's not funny."  So
	we waited for the video and I took a chance.  Except for a few scenes
	when Meg Ryan acts poorly, and a few scenes that are a blatant rip-off
	of Annie Hall and Manhattan, this was a wonderful movie.  Incidentally,
	once I saw the entire scene that I originally felt was not funny,
	in its entire context, it was damn funny.  (It was the ride from Chi.
	to NY when BC was eating concorde grapes.)

	Twice in a Lifetime - the acting was very good, but wow, don't see
	this if you're a guy on a date with a woman you're serious with.
	This is NOT a date movie.  The message: "Men are pigs."  I was
	concerned that we would never experience intimacy again after seeing
	this movie.  I was worried that this would be a downer movie, but
	reluctantly agreed to go -- big mistake.

I could go on and on.  Let's hear other opinions and experiences.
From: isbell@ai.mit.edu (Charles L Isbell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Point in "Malcolm X" [Spoiler?  Probably not, but you never know]
Date: 5 Jan 93 09:59:03
Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
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In-reply-to: twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov's message of 4 Jan 1993 06:06:02 GMT

twcaps@tennyson.lbl.gov (Terry Chan) writes:
|I just saw and enjoyed "Malcolm X."  Afterwards, my friend and
|I remembered a particular scene differently and was wondering
|if someone could clear it up for us.  

|It was when Malcolm/Red jarred Archie's memory and said that 
|he was owed $600 for the number that he played and Archie 
|checked and then went after him because he believed Red conned 
|him.  That episode and others lead me to believe that Red was 
|conning Archie.  However my friend insists that Archie had 
|forgotten.  Not wanting to escalate the difference further, I'd 
|appreciate if others could clue us in on what you saw and if one (or 
|neither) of us is correct.

In the book, Malcolm claims he never meant to hustle him; however, he
no longer remembered the numbers so he doesn't know who was actually
wrong.  The movie did something interesting:  Red asked that Archie
"combinate" the numbers he wanted.  This means to put money on all
possible combinations of the numbers you choose (n!); however, when he
listed the possibilties he didn't actually list are the possible
combinations.  Therefore it's possible that he did bet on the winning
number *but* that Archie only remembered the numbers that Red actually
listed.

On the other hand, I'm blanking on whether during the whole argument
on whether Red won or not that either of the principles actually
mentioned what they winning numbers were.  So who knows?

|Oh, I have one last question.  When Brother Johnson was finally
|taken to the hospital, a doctor came out and said that he'd live.
|Can anyone tell me who was the actor that portrayed the doctor?

Dont' remember.
--
Peace.
               "I never heard of them.  But I know that rap is the
                music where it rhymes."
                         -President Bush on rapper Ice Cube, May 1992
                                   -\--/-
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From: Cindy_Bale@net.com (Cindy Bale)
Subject: Re: Seen Young or Shawn Young?
Followup-To: rec.arts.movies
Organization: Network Equipment Technologies
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 21:03:48 GMT

In article <1993Jan9.091039.25247@bradley.bradley.edu>,
guru@camelot.bradley.edu (Jerry Whelan) wrote:
> 
> 	A friend of mine insists that Sean Young (of Blade Runner and
> numerous other movies) pronounces her name `Seen.'  Sounds corny
> to me.  Anyone here know for sure?
> 
I watched Whoopee Goldberg interview Sean Young last week and I'm sure that
I would have noticed if Whoopee had called Sean "Seen", so "Shawn" it is.

Cindy
From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS !
Date: 8 Jan 1993 13:27:33 GMT
Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA
Reply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com

In article <1993Jan7.204526.6320@CERIS.Purdue.EDU>  
tfisher@CERIS.Purdue.EDU (Tom Fisher) writes:
>   2: When they stop the previews, turn up the house lights, and  
pass the
>      collection jar around for some "good" cause.  That really  
burns me up!
>      Talk about a captive audience....
> 
This one doesn't bother me a bit. It only takes a couple of
minutes and raises lots of money for some very good causes. And,
in our area, it's done BEFORE the previous, so there's no
interruption between previews and the movie.


--
Jim Mann            
Stratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  

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From: reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Peter Reiher)
Subject: Re: Why X _is_ making money
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 21:41:09 GMT

In article <mattm-050193102614@mcmelmon.apple.com> mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes:
>In article <1993Jan5.161457.18599@cs.ucla.edu>, reiher@ficus.cs.ucla.edu
>(Peter Reiher) wrote:
>
>> particularly white youth audiences.  (Though many of the young black men
>> wearing X hats and T-shirts apparently aren't quite sure what the X refers
>> to, and have little interest in going to the movie to find out.)
>
>Bzzzzt.
>
>I suspect that the black youth of America deserves a tad more
>credit that originally given them.  
>I doubt they
>seriously expected a large turn-out of white viewers. 

To repeat a rather obnoxious phrase, Bzzzzt.  The studio knew that a
film of that budget couldn't do well without a large turn-out of white
viewers, and did just about everything it could think of to get them out.

>But the black youth market has not materialized.  They wear the
>symbols, but don't go to the film.  I suspect that this is 
>because they *do* know what the symbols mean.  Indeed, so much
>hype has proceeded this film that it's symbolic power has
>been established.  There is *no* *need* to actually *go* to the
>theater, as the communication has already been made.

Or, they think caps with an X on them look cool.  A recent article
on the failure of "Malcolm X" to turn into a big hit told how its
author asked several young black men about those X hats they were
wearing, and the young black men did not make the connection to
Malcolm X, either the person or the film about him.  If one is interested
in deep denial, one could say that the youths were bullshitting the
author.  I expect that isn't true, though.

>And another thing:  where does Spike go from here?  He can't
>make a 'bigger' film.  The only 'bigger' black figure would
>be King, and Spike has shown no inclinations of being sympathetic
>to so non-confrontational a leader.  

Assuming one takes a broader view of what "black" is, he could easily
make a film about Nelson Mandela.  Or a film about one of the great
leaders of black Africa.  Or he could choose to make a film in which
race is not the major issue.  Or he could choose simply to go on to
another racially based film that isn't such a large film.  Lee can
easily get approval to make films in the $10-$20 million range, I'd
guess, assuming decent scripts, interest by major actors, etc.  I
wouldn't worry about Lee not finding the money for his films.

-- 
		Peter Reiher
		reiher@wells.cs.ucla.edu

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From: allan@microware.com (R. Allan Kirkhart)
Subject: Re: PEEVES at MOVIE THEATERS!
Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:49:54 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.201510.20416@Princeton.EDU> spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
>In article <jyc.726692368@Leland>, jyc@leo.Stanford.EDU (Jon Corelis) writes:
>>spencer@stroke.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun) writes:
>>
>>>                                           I do not, however, subscribe
>>>to the idea that the patron is some god that should be worshipped.
>>
>>   Having read some of your previous posts, I would characterize the
>>above sentence as the understatement of the year.
>>
>>   Please let us know what theater you manage so that those of us who
>>would rather avoid business establishments managed by people whose
>>attitude towards their customers is one of contempt can make a point of
>>never setting foot in it.   
>
>I don't have general contempt for customers.  If I have given that
>impression, I apologize.  Much of my participation in this thread has
>been letting off of steam.
>
>I have contempt for customers who act like THEY are more important than
>any other patron in the theater.

I hope you do not take too much of that to heart.  I have read this entire
thread and found your posts to be both interesting and appropriate.
You can't please all the people all the time.  

Some of those not pleased will go out of their way to make your life, and 
the lives of those in the theater, miserable.  I would encourage these 
people not set foot in the theater I attend, or one that I managed (if I 
managed one :).  I'm sure there are plenty of polite movie-goers out there 
to cater to, and at lower overhead no doubt.

To Jon Corelis:  No, you were not just flamed. Unless of course the shoe
fits.

RAK

----------------
My opinions only
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From: mcameron@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (melissa joan cameron)
Subject: Re: Movies you were forced to see
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:23:07 GMT

Movies I was forced to see:
	Do The Right Thing.  I knew that this film would affect me a
lot simply because of all the race relations things in it, but I feel
that anger that you can't do anything with is useless and I avoided
seeing the film for that reason.  A first date (who'd seen it 3 times
at least and even wrote a paper on it for sociology) took me and I was
right -- I ended up furious at fiction.
	Batman.  I successfully avoided it during its run at the
theatres because of the hype (managed to avoid Dick Tracy and Batman 2
also, BTW).  When it came out on video, someone got it for Christmas
and I was forced to watch it.  Wouldn't see it again, either.
	Terminator 2.  In an attempt to be open-minded, I agreed to
see this with my boyfriend.  I loved it!  The special effects were
much more impressive than I thought.
	Lawnmower Man.  In another attempt to be open-minded, I went
to see a suspenseful flick (which I generally hate, but this one had
the benefit of starring Pierce Brosnan *sigh*).  Problem was, it
really got to be terrifying to me and it wasn't as much fun as it
could have been.
****************** 
Melissa J. Cameron	NeXT mail:  mcameron@dakota.ucs.indiana.edu
"Misquotation takes three basic forms: 1.  Putting the wrong words in
the right mouth; 2.  Putting the right words in the wrong mouth; and
3.  Putting the wrong words in the wrong mouth." -- Ralph Keyes
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From: ukrainec@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Andrew Ukrainec)
Subject: Re: The Weird List
Organization: Communications Research Laboratory, McMaster Univ
Distribution: rec
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:45:27 GMT

>The list of weird, eccentric and original movies (more or less) has
>swelled to more than a hundred.  If you know of any that belong there,
>please post.  And also, if you have seen any of the movies in the list,
>...


Leolo (4) 
Un Chien Andalou (b&w silent) (Salvador Dali and L. Buneul) (4)
The Discreet Charm of the Bugeosie (sp?) (L. Buneul) (4)
8 1/2 (4) (Fellini)
Orchestra Rehersal (4) (Fellini) 
Amarcord (4) (Fellini) 
Ironweed (4)
Powaqatsi (4) (sequel to Koyanisqatsi) 
2001: A Space Odyssey (4) 
Silent Running (3) 
Dreams (4) (Kurisawa) 
The Last Temptation of Christ (4)

... that's all I can think of for now.  Almost any interesting film a
bit outside of the Hollywood formula will fit into this category.
-- 
         Andrew Ukrainec                 ukrainec@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca 
          <    (*) >               /  \             < (*)    >           
Communications Research Laboratory      McMaster Univ, Hamilton, Ontario
From: william@cithara.login.qc.ca (William Ross)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: Citizen Kane - can some one explain?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 22:00:25 EST
Organization: Organ Grinders Monkeys Union With Penguins As Mascots

bs@wucs1.wustl.edu (Bala SWAMINATHAN) writes:

> 
> I saw this movie for the first time, yesterday at my friend's place.
> I saw it only once.
> 
> 
> What is all about the rose bud thing in the movie? (a silly question?)
> 
> I could only see a chair or a "sled" thing with ``Rose bud'' written
> on it being incinerated toward the end of the movie.
> 
> What does this Rose bud suppose to symbolize? Kane's life/dream?

There is one aprocryphal story explaining *rosebud* in CItizen KAne
 as a pet name for the private parts of a certain woman in the life
 of Randolph Hearst.

Sue if I'm wrong, I'm flat broke ;-).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
William Ross
cithara                 Specalists in asbestos underwear
                        since 1992                william@cithara.login.qc.ca
From: cjd@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Christopher Dean)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Upcoming Films
Date: 7 Jan 93 04:21:59 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.

I maintain a list of upcoming films for a BBS on our local VAX and wish to make
the list more extensive and accurate, so I'm posting it here. If you have any
additions, updates, or corrections, please mail them to cjd@reef.cis.ufl.edu
Please include your source for the information for validity. If you wish me to
post the updated lists periodically, please indicate so by responding to this
post. All the movies in the list below came from the following sources:
trade magazines, commercials, television program, and newsletters.

      [4mUpcoming Films[0m

Jan  8: Chaplin, Leprechaun
Jan 15: Alive, Body of Evidence, Nowhere to Run
Jan 22: Damage
Januar: Army of Darkness: Evil Dead III, Aspen, Ethan Frome, The Giving, Hexed,
	Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey, Matinee, Scent of a Woman,
	Starfire, Strictly Ballroom, The Temp, Used People, Waterland	
Feb  5: Summersby
Feb 19: Falling Down
Febuar: Hideous Mutant Freekz, National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon 1, The
	Vanishing
March : Fire in the Sky, The Meteor Man, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III
April : Sleeping Beauty (re-release)
Spring: Body Snatchers, Josh and S.A.M.
June  : Dennis the Menace, Hot Shots 2, Jurassic Park, The Last Action Hero,
	The Witching Hour
Aug 13: Friday the 13th: Jason Goes to Hell
August: The Coneheads, The Crow, Needful Things
Summer: Ghost in the Machine, Made in America, RoboCop 3, Snow White and the
	Seven Dwarves (re-release), Super Mario Brothers, Tom & Jerry: The
	Movie, A Troll in Central Park
Novemb: The Addams Family 2, King of the Jungle 
Decemb: The Pebble and the Penguin, Wolf
??????: Age of Innocence, Annie and the Castle of Terror, The Dark Half,
	Deadfall, Rising Sun

[4m1994[0m
??????: Aliens vs. Predator, Clear and Present Danger, The Mask

[4m1995-2000[0m: Star Wars I, II, III

[4m??????[0m: The American, Beyond Innocence, Black Cat Bone: The Return of
	Huckleberry Finn, Black Panther, Blankman, Blondie,Casper: the Friendly
	Ghost, Concrete, The Demolished Man, Demolition Man, Die Hard 3, The
	Fantastic Four, The Fly III, Forbidden Planet (remake), Fortress, Free
	Willy, The Good Son, The Green Hornet, Heaven and Earth, The Hidden II,
	Highlander III: The Magician, Household Saints, House of Cards, The
	House of Spirits, In the Line of Fire, Kings in Disguise, The
	Lawnmowerman 2, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, Maverick, The Men in
	Black, Mr. Magoo, Mother Night, Much Ado About Nothing, Organic Future,
	The Phantom, Philadelphia, Plastic Man, The Real McCoy, Richie Rich,
	The Saint, Sgt. Rock, The Shadow, Short Cuts, Sliver, The Son-in-Law,
	Spiderman, The Stowaway to Mars, A Stranger in a Strange Land, A Thief
	of Time, Time Cop, Trancers IV (Video), Trancers V (Video), Warlock:
	The Armageddon, Wayne's World 2, The Wild Wild West, Younger & Younger,
	Zone of Silence
Organization: Arizona State University
Date: Tuesday, 5 Jan 1993 18:47:42 MST
From: <ASNTB@ASUACAD.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject:    Bond books and movies

Recent articles in rec.arts.movies have discussed which Fleming titles are
still unused in the movies.  They are:
                                      Casino Royale
                                      Risico
                                      The Hildebrand Rarity
                                      Quantum of Solace
                                      007 in New York
                                      The Property of a Lady

    Some people might take exception with Casino Royale, since a spoof of it
was made in the sixties.  However, it has not yet been adapted into a serious
story for film.  Risico, THR, and QOS are from the For Your Eyes Only short
story collection while The Property of a Lady comes from the Octopussy
collection.  007 in New York is a frequently forgotten tidbit that appeared in
Fleming's published travelogue, Thrilling Cities.  Of course, there are many
stories from John Gardner and one from Kingsley Amis that have not been adapted
to a Bond movie.  This is rather academic because Albert Broccoli and company
long ago stopped adherring to the story line of the novels in the movies.  It
will be interesting to see what title is chosen for the new Bond film set for
release later this year (last I heard).
                                         Nathan Bridges
                                         Menlo Park, CA
From: milst1@cislabs.pitt.edu (Martin I Lewison)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Ratings Ballot????
Date: 5 Jan 93 00:04:38 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh


Hey, where's the Movie Ratings Ballot?  I haven't seen it in weeks, and
I want to vote because I saw something like 20 films over the holiday
break.

Anybody have a clue?

-Martin

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From: bwebster@pages.com (Bruce F. Webster)
Subject: Re: The Weird List
Reply-To: bwebster@pages.com
Organization: Banzai Research Institute
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:20:06 GMT

In article <3977@creatures.cs.vt.edu> sahle@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Eskinder Sahle)  
writes:
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> 
> Thanks guys for the suggestions on weird movies: the list I've 
> compiled so far is below--please add if you can think of any other.
> 
> Thanks again
> Ahmed
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> The WL:
> 
> 	1984
> 	A Clockwork Orange
> 	Apocalypse Now
> 	Barton Fink
> 	Bagdad Cafe
> 	Blade Runner
> 	Blue Velvet
> 	Brave New World
> 	Brazil
> 	The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover
> 	Dracula
> 	Hyunsuk Seung
> 	Kafka
> 	LA Story
> 	Naked Lunch
> 	Night on Earth
> 	Poison 
> 	Raising Arizona
> 	Repo Man
> 	Rumble (sp??) Fish from Coppola...
> 	Santa Sangre
> 	Shakes the Clown
> 	Slackers
> 	Wild At Heart


Add "TOYS" to the list...by the way, my wife and I really liked the film, which  
seems to be contrary to most critics and moviegoers.  The soundtrack is  
excellent, too.  ..bruce..
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From: kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Trailer for 'Groundhog Day'
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:14:29 GMT

In article <9301112336.AA02669@caster.suneng> chapmand@chdasic.sps.mot.com (David Chapman) writes:
>Hello,
>a trailer for 'Groundhog Day' was shown. It stars Bill Murray. What was very 
>annoying about this trailer was that it more or less told you the whole movie. 
>Has anyone else seen the trailer for 'Groundhog Day'? Were you equally peeved?

Not me. While I am usually sensative to trailers that give away the whole film
(ie, Rocky 5, Three Men and a Little Lady) this one just struck me as very 
funny. Where do you feel that they gave away the ending? They gave away the
plot, but you would have figured that out the first time (or second, or third
time) he woke up.

YMHO.

Michael


-- 
Michael Kaufman | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on
 kaufman        | fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in
  @eecs.nwu.edu | the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be
                | lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.     Roy Batty
From: ssc@nwu.edu (Steven Chung)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Re: French movies in 1992
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:51:31 GMT
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston Illinois.
Originator: schung@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

In article <1ipcahINN4k6@ensta.ensta.fr> dussert@beatrice.ensta.fr (Pierre Dussert) writes:
# 
# I don't know if all these films will be available in your country ,but  watch
# priorily La Belle Noiseuse, Delicatessen, Les Nuits Fauves, Tous les Matins du
# Monde, Un Coeur en Hiver, and of course Van Gogh.

Anyone know what they are in English?
From: mcohen@vax.clarku.edu
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies
Subject: Siskel & Ebert's Worst List?
Date: 10 Jan 93 17:01:55 GMT
Organization: Clark University

Local Boston channel 4 seems to have dumped Siskel & Ebert Sunday mornings in 
favor of some local news thing.  Thus, I've missed their Worst of '92 list.  
Anyone catch this & able to post this info?  Thankya.


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From: stachnik@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (George Stachnik)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 19:28:28 GMT
Subject: Movies In the Public Domain
Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies

I'm interested in movies that have passed into the public
domain.  Does anybody have a list?  I was told recently that
nobody owns the copyright to "It's a Wonderful Life", which
I found hard to believe.  Can anyone confirm or deny?  Are
there any other films of note that are in the public domain?


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