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From: G.Roberts@cs.ucl.ac.uk (Graham Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Dr Who
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:53:23 GMT


 
Ian Collier <imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk> writes:
>To change the subject... I notice that the BBC is showing another Jon
>Pertwee story (in five parts) starting next Friday (20/11) at 7.15pm.  This
>seems to be a "bonus", since we were only promised one story per doctor.
 
Also, this week UK GOLD are showing the Hartnell stories "Planet of
the Giants" and "The Rescue". The five episodes will be shown at 5.30
p.m. running from Monday to Friday. Hurrah!!
 
When were these last transmitted to a UK audience? It's about time we
started getting material that hasn't been seen for so long.
 
UK GOLD has already shown (and repeated) three entire stories in the
first two weeks of transmission (An Unearthly Child, Edge of
Destruction & The Aztecs). Unfortunately, their treatment of the end
credits and the need to stick UK GOLD in the bottom right corner
somewhat intrudes. I hope they keep transmitting rare Who though.
(Did anybody see the Sunday repeats - start and end credits hacked
off? And what about the scheduling!! The slot was supposed to end at
11am but went on to about 11.40. At least Dr. Who seems to be getting
priority - they showed both Edge and the Aztecs!)
 
Plus on Friday we will have TWO channels broadcasting Dr. Who on the
same day - is this a record?
 
Graham
G.Roberts@uk.ac.ucl.cs
From: maujs@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J D Morris)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Doctor Who restoration
Date: 21 Nov 1992 14:34:54 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <722348625snx@apusapus.demon.co.uk> tfj@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Trevor Jenkins) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov19.124851.11036@spider.co.uk> colint@spider.co.uk writes:
>
>> The BBC somehow managed to wipe a whole load of MASTER tapes in the early 70s
>> of various programs...
>
>You make this sound like it was an accident! They deliberately DESTROYED
>those tapes on the grounds of...
>
>    artistic merit? NO
>    technical quality? NO
>    contenious content? NO
>    commerical interest? NO
>    lack of storage space? YES YES YES
>    
>They weeded the tape store simply because it was getting full. They applied
>no criteria to this wanton destruction expect that the BBC has always
>wanted to be rid of Dr Who.
>
>Regards, Trevor.
>
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Not quite...the BBC during the 1970's had an agreement with equity that
they would not repeat anything more than 3 years after it was originally
shown. This made all their 1960's output redundant - they couldn't
repeat programmes (and because they were trying to justify a colour
license fee, they felt they couldn't show old black and white material).So
once they had sold as many copies of a programme abroad as
possible they had no longer had any use for it and so the film master
of the programme was incinerated (at that time all programmes were
stored on film, the videotapes used in production being wiped and then
re-used for another programme. Videotapes were too expensive to
use for storage.
	It is a little unfair to say that the BBC had no criteria
when it came to wiping tapes. They weren't just victimising
Doctor Who, they wiped vast amounts of other programmes, most
regrettably:
	Hancock's Half Hour	Do Not Adjust Your Set
	Z Cars			The Frost Report
	Doomwatch		Not Only...But Also
	+ numerous one-off plays & dramas 

	and yet they kept almost every edition of Blue Peter!
So they did have some, admittedly bizarre, method of selection.
	The real crime is that no-one at the BBC had the
forsight to realise the commercial potential and popularity
these programmes would have in the future. 
			Jonathan Morris
From: dam@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (David Morning)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: BBC Sports Coverage
Date: 20 Nov 92 12:12:41 GMT
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.

paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee) writes:

>In article 92Nov19094043@arran.dcs.ed.ac.uk, cc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Chris Cooke) writes:
>>In article <19654.9211181859@thor.cf.ac.uk> scogpw@thor.cf.ac.uk (Gordon Walker) writes:
>>
>>   But surely "nationally produced programs" should cater for the majority
>>   - which unfortunately for you is the English.
>>
>>National programmes should cater for the nation.  If nobody thinks that there
>>IS just one nation out there, then we should give up the whole bloody stupid
>>"UK" idea and split ourselves into honest-to-goodness normal countries.
>>--

>Unfortunately you'll have a job in some subject areas reaching an agreement
>on what programs "cater for the nation".

>Each and every person is an individual, and so wants to watch different programs
>suited to their taste. The BBC has to follow the majority view, to get the biggest
>viewing figures. Like what football team do you show to suit the whole nation.
>Bit tricky Eh???

Not really..ITV seems to manage to do it.
If your going to try and maximise your viewing figures, your not going to do
it by targeting one group, even if that group is a majority.

That's how ITV do it, and thats why they consistently score higher viewing 
figures than the BBC.

You don't have to choose one football team to show the nation, you choose a few.

Not so hard is it?


Dave

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From: peterw@spider.co.uk (Peter Woodhouse)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Kid Jensen + Blind Date winner
Date: 17 Nov 92 10:13:11 GMT
Organization: Spider Software, Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <721908838.3188@minster.york.ac.uk> marc@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>
>
>Can anyone out there remember the name of a old ITV pop type show
>presented by David Kid Jensen and some bloke who was on blind date who
>did crap impressions of bruce forsyth etc...
>
>plese help...ist driving me crazy thinking about it !


Wasn't this the classic Tyne Tees programme of Razzamatazz

Peter
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From: cls@trsvax.tandy.com
Date: 16 Nov 92 13:31 CST
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Subject: Re: SNL on BBC2
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Re: Saturday Night Live: it is 1 and 1/2 hours long.   They tend to put the
best sketches at the beginning of the show and the really iffy ones near the
end.  It is broadcast live from 11:30pm to 1:00am on the east coast, 10:30pm
to 12:00am here in central time, etc.  Therefore, it's pretty late by the 
time it's near the end of the show, where they are anyway (New York),  and I 
figure that may have something to do with it.

Also, quite a few of the sketches they do concern recent news
events, so something may seem quite funny the first time you watch it because
it has to do with something on the news that day, but may be kind of boring
when you watch the repeat later in the year.  

Another point is that the cast is always changing and some of them are
better and funnier than the others.  They write much of what they do.
It seems that when someone really good is on the show, they get better and 
better, then get movie contracts and leave.  Eddie Murphy, for example.  
So, some seasons of the show are much funnier than others.  

I agree with you about the show they've done these last few years.  I don't
like their gross sketches and some seem like they're just trying to fill
time.  I think about 1/3 of what they do is funny but it's been a long time
since I laughed really hard at anything they've done.  But then, I don't
claim to represent most Americans on this subject.


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From: hid009@cent1.lancs.ac.uk (James Masterton)
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Subject: Press Gang
Date: 15 Nov 92 22:28:20 GMT
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I'm glad somebody has finally brought up this subject. This show is
conclusive proof that British television can be the best in the world.

In the book 'The Guiness Book of Classic British Television' to be
published next summer, 'Press Gang' will be described as the most
important television show ever made.

The brainchild of author Steven Moffatt, as a previous poster has
already explained it features a group of teenagers running a 'youth'
newspaper, first as a school project and then as a commercial venture
(from series 3 onwards).

What distinguishes it from any other competition and has made it win
countless awards is the fact that it has broken the mould of the way
teenagers are portrayed on childrens television. For the first time they
are shown as intelligent adults, with their own views on the world and
the issues which affect them. The program also reflects many sides of
life, both serious and comic. Indeed, one of the strengths of the
program is that it will both delight and provoke thought - often at the
same time.

In an episode designed to be comical the humour is not strained,
contrived or patronising but is genuinely witty in a way which would put
many sitcoms to shame. In an episode designed to be serious, issues are
handled sensitively (past episodes have included child abuse, suicide,
gun control etc.) and on occasions have built up tension in ways unheard
of before in childrens television (the famous example is the two-part
story in series 3 'The Last Word' where the newsroom was held hostage by
a gunman outraged at an article they printed on gun control).

The acting itself is beyond fault, character development reaches new
heights with every person having easily identifiable traits. It even
dares to try its hand at sexual chemistry, achieving this with the
relationship between the two central characters...

I appreciate this has been a rather rushed and somewhat obsequious
overview of the show and I do not claim to be an expert, but please
somebody jump in and fill out the details..... The first bit is true
though, Press Gang is the most important childrens television drama ever
made - and once you see it you realise why....
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Subject: Visions '92: R U Going?
From: john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (John Ewin) 
Date: 23 Nov 92 06:26:00 GMT
Reply-To: john.ewin@pcb.batpad.lgb.ca.us (John Ewin) 
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The following is for anyone going to Visions '92 in Chicago over
Thanksgiving weekend...

1>  If you're going, leave me a note with the hotel (Ramada O'Hare), and
we can meet for a soda or something!

2>  If you're a non-smoking male looking to share the cost of a room,
PLEASE leave a note at the Ramada for me, and leave me a way to contact
you.  I should have accomodations for at least 2 more folks.  (The rate
($65/night + 12% tax) would be split equally, at least 3 ways if I get
you too!)

U'NI-net Fantasy & SF Conference Host
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From: dvp@getafix (Dave Parry)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: SNL-Sinead O'Conner
Date: 16 Nov 92 14:10:37 GMT
Organization: ICL, Bracknell, Berks, UK
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4

Anyone see Saturday Night Live on BBC2 with Sinhead O'Conner? What
happened to the bit where she rips up a photo of the Pope? Does anyone
really believe that the BBC would be as chickenshit as to censor a
program going out at 12.45 at night? I DO!!!

I suppose they'll delete Joe Pesci's pop at Sinhead in next weeks
edition so as not to confuse viewers (they'll probably take the easy
way out and drop that edition!).

I'm sick of TV companies censoring 'just in case'. Every time that
b***h Thatcher used to come on the telly, it used to drive me nuts but
when I phoned and complained that it was offending me, they refused to
ban her (or censor her), so where's the justice? Where's the
consistancy? I think the rule of thumb they use is that if it is
likely to offend Mrs Blue Rinse Facist Bible Bashing Tory Voter from
Esher, then out it goes - sorry about the Tory references, but that
party (and it's supporters) has done more for the cause of censorship
than any other (IMHO) - "Oh Mrs Whitehouse, whatever causes you
offence we will do our utmost to ban. Sod the rest of them". 

If I sound pissed off that's cause I am.

Dave

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From: zlsiimw@mcchpc.mcc.ac.uk (Mark Whidby)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: BBC's BiteBack the dog with no teeth
Date: 20 Nov 92 13:08:23 GMT
Reply-To: M.Whidby@mcc.ac.uk
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

In article <2723.imc@uk.ac.ox.prg>, imc@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Ian Collier) writes:
|> BTW, apparently that panorama about the BBC (which we all wanted to watch a
|> few
|> weeks ago) is being shown this Monday.

Oh no it isn't! It's been cancelled yet again - great isn't it? It's now
going to be about 'Iraqgate'.
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From: arkhive@apusapus.demon.co.uk (Ailsa Jenkins)
Subject: Guards! Guards!
Distribution: world
Organization: QLA - Quantum Leap Anonymous
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 22:29:55 +0000

Glancing through the RT I noticed that Terry Pratchett's novel is to be
serialised on Radio 5. Starts Monday 23 November at 9.30pm. 6 parts, each
one hour long. 

One hopes that this will be issued as a set of tapes in time for
Christmas???

____________________________________________________________________________
              Ailsa R Jenkins (arkhive@apusapus.demon.co.uk)
                 Croxley Green, RICKMANSWORTH, Herts, UK

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        understand.'    Alfred Von Wilmers in "Romance, Romance"
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From: proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: SNL on BBC2
Keywords: SNL,BBC2
Date: 16 Nov 92 19:00:37 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.

In article <Bxt675.F10@brunel.ac.uk> cs91eeb@brunel.ac.uk (Erik Bussink) writes:
>So this weekend it was the second showing of Saturday Night Live on BBC2.
>Is the SNL shown by BBC2 a cut version (I'm sure of it), what is the lenght
>of the show in the States ?
>Is it just me, or does the jokes look so un-funny ? if this is the show shown
>in the states, I don't understand how it could be such a success, some jokes
>are even worse than Wayne's World.
>

No, it is almost totally unfunny over here, too. 
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From: STUCS205@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090
Subject: The Adventure Game
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 17:50:30 GMT
Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom

Do you remember the television show 'The Adventure Game', this was one of the b
est Children's quiz shows that has ever been made. Anyone know where videos for
 this are available? or why the show was stopped?
                replies to stucs205@uk.ac.bham.ibm3090 aka Mark Ridley
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From: crick@lenti.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD))
Subject: Eastenders... what did Pat do?
Organization: University of Minnesota
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 22:42:59 GMT

  I was out of town and missed several episodes of E.E.  In the latest
episode, a woman named Lorraine called Pat needing help.  Apparently they
met at a "bad" bar where Pat went after having a fight with Frank.  So
what happened?  Also, what happened after Michelle and Clyde were caught,
how come Michelle isn't in jail?  Oh, and one last item, who is this
person that Joe is staying with, and does he have a connection to
Eddie's murder?  Any answers (or previews) will be appreciated.  

Ed


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From: bassler@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (bassler ryan p)
Subject: Re: The Tomorrow People, today....as it were
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: rec
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:46:48 GMT

You don't know how I envy you.  I watched the Tomorrow People when I was
growing up here in Illinois off Nickelodeon and loved it!  I have heard
rumours lately that Nickelodeon was going to show these classic shows again...
but, alas, no TP.  I hope the new show is wonderful and someday I can see it
over here.
Still waiting to break-out,
Dan Pawlak

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From: dschlow@epas.utoronto.ca (Deborah Schlow)
Subject: Re: SNL on BBC2
Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:05:59 GMT
Followup-To: Re: SNL on BBC2
Summary: humor on SNL
Keywords: snl, funny

In article <1992Nov16.153223.13736@pixel.kodak.com> dj@ekcolor.ssd.kodak.com (Dave Jones) writes:
>Erik Bussink (cs91eeb@brunel.ac.uk) wrote:
>> So this weekend it was the second showing of Saturday Night Live on BBC2.
>> Is the SNL shown by BBC2 a cut version (I'm sure of it), what is the lenght
>> of the show in the States ?
>
>The show runs 90 minutes, starting at 11:30 pm Saturday night (Eastern
>Time).  Sometimes it is rebroadcast in an edited version and then lasts
>only 60 minutes (incl, commercials, of course).  Say 70 minutes Beeb-time
>for the full version, 45 minutes for the edited version.  Of course, the
>Beeb version could be the best 60 minutes of the 70.....
>
>> Is it just me, or does the jokes look so un-funny ? if this is the show shown
>> in the states, I don't understand how it could be such a success, some jokes
>> are even worse than Wayne's World.
>>
>Compared to most US comedy it's positively ingenious.  About 95% of it is
>crap (Sturgeon's Law in action) but occasionally it will throw up (I use the
>term advisedly) an Eddie Murphy, a Joe Piscopo, or a Chevy Chase, someone
>who just makes you want to watch them.  And occasionally the guests are
>interesting enough to make you watch for their sakes alone.
>
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Back when it first started, in the '70s, with the original cast of
Chevy Chase, Gilda Radner (RIP), Jane Curtain, Larraine Newman, Bill
Murray, Dan Ackroyd, John Belushi (RIP), and Garrett Morris (although
I'm sure I've forgotten someone) it truly was very funny and extremely
innovative for US tv comedy every single week. Of course, there were
always sketches that went on too long, but on the whole...Dan Ackroyd
as Julia Child, the Bad News Bees, the Samurai whatever bits, the
Coffee Shop, and any of blessed Gilda Radner's characters never failed
From: hal@radio.wkar.msu.edu (Hal Prentice)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: Encircled Sea
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:40:57 GMT
Organization: Broadcasting Services, Michigan State University

In October, 1991, while languishing in the Forte Crest at the Glasgow 
Airport waiting for a flight back to the States, I saw an episode of a 
series of programs called, "The Encircle Sea" (I think that was the title) 
on ITV (?).  Anyway, the series music soundtrack was being offered on CD.  
Does anyone in the UK know this series and how I can obtain the sountrack 
CD?  I will gladly pay in someone, in Sterling, the costs of purchasing 
and shipping.

Thanks.

   
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From: ira2p@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Iain Robert Asplin)
Subject: Re: Dr Who
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 23:26:43 GMT

In article <3226@nlsun1.oracle.nl> gbradley@uks240.Berkeley.EDU (Gary Bradley) writes:
>
>    UK Gold are apparently going to transmit ALL of Doctor Who from the
>beginning to the end, in original broadcast order. BUT they will only
>transmit complete stories (those with no episodes missing). This is why
>UK Gold subscribers have seen (in order), Unearthly Child, Edge of
>Destruction, The Aztecs...etc. Personally, I'm buying in the video tapes
>now and waiting till it gets to the Pertwee era!!
>
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Actually, not quite all the episodes or even all the complete shows are
being shown.  Notice that "The Daleks" wasn't on, nor "The Keys of
Marinus," nor I think "The Sensorites" even though those are all complete
in the Archives.  UK Gold, from what I've heard, are only going to show
stories that either are _not_ destined for release on video in the near
future, or any stories that feature the Daleks, the Cybermen, or the Master.

Still, that does leave a lot of good stories.  I think you'll be surprised
at "The Space Museum."  _Doctor_Who_Magazine once flamed that one as one
of the top ten turkey stories, and I cannot even vaguely begin to see why.
It's not a classic, but neither is it "The Gunfighters."

Steven.K.Manfred
From: esrag@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr W M D Wright)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv.uk
Subject: Re: The Adventure Game
Date: 20 Nov 1992 09:37:15 -0000
Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK
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In article <925019175030@ibm3090.bham.ac.uk> STUCS205@UK.AC.BHAM.IBM3090 writes:
>Do you remember the television show 'The Adventure Game', this was one of the b
>est Children's quiz shows that has ever been made. Anyone know where videos for
> this are available? or why the show was stopped?
>                replies to stucs205@uk.ac.bham.ibm3090 aka Mark Ridley

Yeah, I loved this. Saying 'Gronda, Gronda' to the water squirting 
Aspidistra(?), and finding the way round a maze on a BBC Micro. Not
forgetting the guy who always talked backwards!

Ah, we'll never see the likes of this again.....

Nostalgically,

Bill


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