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From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Re: A Pointless Plea
Followup-To: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Summary: Come to think of it...
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 18:15:08 GMT

In article <17dnqgINNjao@network.ucsd.edu> wbruvold@weber.ucsd.edu
(William "Beowulf" Bruvold) writes:

>COuld someone post the charter/an FAQ here.  Seems taht there are
>two sorts of postings (are both within the guidelines of the
>group?)- Obviously fictional ghost stories and b) individual
>paranormal experiences.  THey are different kinds of postings.

Come to think of it, where -did- this newsgroup come from?  I didn't
vote for it, I never saw a call for votes on any 'alt.' group I read.
No one has announced him/herself as moderator; no FAQ list or any kind
of guidelines have appeared.  Could the board itself be an attempt by
voices from beyond to communicate...?  Hmmm...

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From: christin@cae.wisc.edu (Christine Haas)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Scariest movie
Date: 31 Aug 92 14:18:38 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering

In article <1992Aug31.123950.1333@hubcap.clemson.edu> jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght) writes:
>The Day After,  A very realistic movie of what very well could happen to
>society if we had a nuclear war.  What made it so scary was that it was
>not embelished, it showed what was most likely to happen if there realy
>was a nuclear war.  I think it came out around an election about 12
>years ago.  Of course this was at a time when the economy was bad, and

Yes!  I have asked others about it as well and they don't know what
I am talking about.  If it is the same movie I am thinking of, isn't
the dad at work, while the mom is playing hide and seek with the kids,
and in the end it is really sad because the little girl dies.  She dies
because when the crews come around to pick up the people lying on the ground so
that they can take them to the hospital to treat them, they don't find
the girl because she was hiding and eventually the dad finds his daughter
hiding where she always hid when they played hide-n-seek.
From: hoagy@ais.org (Matthew Rupert)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Three Men and a baby..scariest movie
Date: 29 Aug 92 20:23:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Kampus Krusade for Kush

umsister@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Sisterson) did speak previously, and did say thus:
>
>Interesting.  I have heard from several people who have either
>a) known someoneon the crew, or 
>b) have done a research paper on the ghost.
>
Me, too.  (a), that is.  Matter of fact, my *roommate* worked on that
crew.  

>In both instances, people say that that one scene was done in an actual
>apartment.  It was also pointed out that there was a shot gun in the scene, 
>which I have checked for myself.  It is right before you see the Kid, and
>the shotgun is in the same window where the kid is.
>
Sorry, this was done on a sound stage, not an apartment.

As per the shotgun, no one knows exactly what it is, but after going
through
this tape about 150 times, I've yet to be able to make it out
what it is specifically, though, I will give you this, it *does* look
like a shotgun, but not *totally*.

>And, if you have a VCR with the ability to go frame to frame, you will see
>that the kid's head folows the actors.  Interesting feature for
>a cardboard cutout, no?

I did this, again, 150 times(or thereabouts)  The "head" stays put.
The head is not proportional to a young child, nor does it match
an actual silhoutte(sp?) of what you'd expect behind said curtain.

>
>I will not tell you who has e-mailed me since they did email me and did not
>seem to want he general public to know who they are. I will however, ask
>these people to post what ever they have found out to the rest of the enquiring mind.
I'd like to hear about it.

>The main reason that I believe that these two apparations are ghosts are that,
>a) the still shots do not show them.
>b) the boy moves.
>c) they aparations are then one second, and gone the next.

After hearing over 300000000 times from actors, directors, producers,
and stage crew, the cut-out was discovered, moved, and scenes,
which are NOT shot in sequential order, were mixed in.
Yes, that's right...movies do not shoot from beginning to end.

Again, the "boy" does not move..what you see is tape flutter on
slow speed, NOT movement.  Please bear in mind this isn't a flame,
nor should any of us try to break this into a war.
I, after reading, hearing firsthand, and watching, do not believe it
is a 'ghost', nor do I believe it's a shotgun.  This is all toomuch
like an urban tale, which, in fact, it is.  Nobody on the set started
that rumor...the general public did this.  Call it paranoia.

>Oh ya, I was curious as to what movie is the scariest ever seen?
>I have to believe that Exorcist is.  Would people please email me their
>scariest movies, and I shall compile a top ten list and post it within a week
>or two.

Yes, I thought "The Exorcist" was right up there...so was Poltergeist,
just 'cause I liked the intensity at times.
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: spice@convex.csd.uwm.edu (James G Spice)
Subject: Re: Scariest movie
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 22:26:20 GMT

The scariest movie ever was "Don't be Afraid of the Dark Sally".  Now
that we have a difinitive answer, can wforego anymore discussion
on this subject.  Ditto for crop circles and street lamps, especially the
latter which has been rehashed ad nauseum.  This newsgroup deals with
ghosts, and though these subjects could arguably be considered
peripherally, very peripherally, related, there are much more 
appropriate channels for their discussion.  There must be some people
out there with some decent first-person hauntings to relate, or 
stories from friends, or even old local legends.  I make a challenge 
to all those reading to make at least 90 percent of the posts over the
next week deal *directly* with *ghosts*.  

Jim "topicality is next to godality" Spice

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From: gregb@gout.austin.ibm.com
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Theatre ghosts
Date: 27 Aug 92 20:03:56 GMT
Reply-To: gregb@gout.austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM, Austin
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.037 by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers

Anyone have good theatre ghost stories?  When I was at Vanderbilt
University, the campus theatre had a brass railing in the lobby of
the theatre.  Just about 4 feet long, about the same high, it had
come from an old Nashville theatre downtown that had been torn down. 
That theatre had had a resident ghost, and the ghost came with the
rail.  The story was that the rail had to be polished before every
performance, or something would go wrong, and of course, whenever
something unexplained went wrong, they found that the person
responsible for polishing the rail had forgotten.  The one examples
that I remember was during, hmmm, Two merchants of Venice?  something
like that, anyway, they had made a pool for water, that looked like
an old marble fountain, and it was in the middle of the stage.  One
night, as the show was about to start, it started leaking.  The
looked for a leak, but couldn't find one.  Drained it, checked again,
couldn't find a leak.  Re-filled, and there's mroe water on the
floor.  Finally did the show with it empty.  When they filled it the
next day, it held water just fine - it was the only time they ever
had trouble with it.  Of course, that night the rail had gone
unpolished.  I remeber that there were many more stories, but that
was the only one that stuck.  Accompanying that were occaisional
sightings of a figure up in the catwalks, and voices picked up from
the stage mikes (there were speakers in the changing rooms to get
cues) even when the stage was empty.

One of the better stories, as I knew most of the people who told
me about their sightings.

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: ghost@netcom.Netcom.COM (Jay Adelson)
Subject: Re: Haunted Hospitals?
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 02:37:40 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service
	<27AUG199217522345@rigel.tamu.edu>


I personally believe that ghosts, if they exist, haunt the internet.

:)
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From: ghost@netcom.Netcom.COM (Jay Adelson)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: RE: Three Men and a Baby ghost
Date: 29 Aug 92 02:41:49 GMT
Distribution: alt
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service


About the "Three Men and a Baby" ghost which lurks in the background of a 
scene...

I've heard rather confirmed and authentic reports that 

1) It was a promotional cardboard cutout of the actors which someone 
   unsuccessfully tried to hide behind a drape or something right before
   the scene began (these things happen all the time).

2) It was a BUILT SET..so there couldn't have been a suicide in the "house"
   they filmed it in.  YES, TRUE, there WAS a real house used for some
   scenes (particularly outdoor scenes) but it was a soundstage for most
   of the indoor scenes.

-ghost

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: halazar@media.mit.edu (Michael Halle)
Subject: Re: Three Men and a baby..scariest movie
Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory
Distribution: na
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 02:15:09 GMT


Not wanting to dilute the quality of this group, but how would a small
child commit suicide with a shot gun?  Did he saw off the barrel first?
Is there a shadow of a saw in another corner of the room in some scene?
Maybe he hooked it up a street lamp and walked passed it?

						--Mike
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Haunted Hospitals?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:33:45 GMT
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Jim Heath (jheath@CERIS.Purdue.EDU) wrote:
: I recently had occasion to spend a lot of time visiting a
: hospital and it occured to me to wonder why there seem to be so
: few stories about ghosts in hospitals.

There's too many people for one thing, and too many bright lights.
Besides, even a *ghost* wouldn't want to hang around a hospital.
That's bad enough when you're alive. I'd haunt a house or something
first.

Ghosts need secluded, dark places.

Scott
From: aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: crop circles
Date: 1 Sep 92 10:15:48 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

Andrew G Hummell (hummell+@pitt.edu) wrote:
: First, *no one* who cas come forward has been able to explain or demonstrate
: how they bent the crops over without breaking the stems of the plants (the
: stems of plants in true crop circles are not bent).  Sure they have been able
: to create their own circles, but they always break the stems of the plants.
: 
: Second, the reason that these people confessed is that there is a nice little
: monetary reward for anyone who has proof on the origins of the crop circles.

Note that there was also a group (more than two scientists) who with the
farmers' permission deliberately faking crop circles. The crop circle
investigators would then be alerted by the farmers and several times 
pronounced the circles genuine and even discovered 'strange energies' when
dowsing them. They managed to flatten the stems without breaking by using
a large (red/orange?) plastic roller and marked out the circle with a stake
and string. They were embarassed when they accidentally left a piece of string
in a cricle, but none of the investigators noticed.

The investigators were enraged when the fakers revealed what they had done,
but they countered that the investigators techniques should have been abke
to distinguish between the actual phenonenum and a fake and that they had
intended to reveal their decepation (as they did).

A friend of mine (whom I trust not to have made the story up and did relate
it apparently promptly) claims he saw a crop circle from in a field on the
outskirts of York. He heard a noise, looked and saw a form of dust devil 
which was unusual as the circumference seemed to be moving quite slowly.
The devil moved and stopped and eventually disappated leaving distinct
depressions in the crop. They were fairly mild depressions but did have
fairly sharp delineations at the edges. This happened on an otherwise
unremarkable late summer's day, although a storm was beginning to brew
(I can't remember whether it actually broke that day or not)

	Aaron Turner		aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Bear Giles)
Subject: Re: Street lights
Organization: National Oceanic & Atmospheric Adminstration / Boulder Labs
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 03:36:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug24.213151.13310@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> finneyrc@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (R Craig Finney) writes:
>
>The photosensor is located on top of the light.  If light is to shut it off.
>it must come from above.

The light's being shut off by the glow of the UFO following you.

Another common trick in some areas is to program streetlights to turn
off for 10% of the time.  This can save thousands of dollars in electric
bills (_you_ try paying for all streetlights in a fair sized city) without
seriously impacting safety (since adjacent lights will generally remain
on).


Bear Giles
bear@fsl.noaa.gov
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
From: jhosee@zeus.calpoly.edu (Jeffrey Yang Ho-See)
Subject: San Francisco - Golden Gate Park
Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 09:28:41 GMT

A story I heard concerns a ghost of a policeman in Golden Gate
Park. People say that when driving through Golden Gate Park
at night, a patrol car pulls you over and the policeman
writes you a ticket for a really bogus reason. Supposedly, when 
a driver tries to pay the fine, he discovers that the police man 
has been dead for years! Although I have gone through Golden 
Gate Park many times, this has never happened to me. There are more stories
about ghosts in Golden Gate Park as well, but this one is the
one that stands out in my memory.

- Jeffrey
From: hummell+@pitt.edu (Andrew G Hummell)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Ouija Boards
Date: 4 Sep 92 06:18:54 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

When I was young, my brother and I played with an old Ouija board that
belonged to our aunt.  Nothing even remotely supernatural happened.
I don't know if that is good or bad. ;-)

Andy
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From: jlysagh@hubcap.clemson.edu (james joseph lysaght)
Subject: filming ghosts on TV
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1992 17:18:37 GMT

Here is a funny almost but not quite a ghost story to go in line with 
the thread about video taping a TV when it is not on a channel and
seeing ghosts on the tape...

Some time back i bought my wife some sexy lengerie.  She was modeling it
for me and I decided to take a picture of her.  I do not recall the TV
being turned on but aparently it was.  When we got the picture developed
there was a man in circa 1950 marine uniform on the TV screen looking
like he is gawking at my wife in the picture.  For fun we were saying it
was ghost for a little while till a friend saw the picture and laughed
about the fact that Gomer Pyle was in our picture.  I had not seen that
show in so many years it is rediculous.  The picture was taken at night
and the show is on in the morning so it must be a commercial for Gomer
Pyle.  It is kind of funny looking because if you did not know better
you wuold swear that Gomer Pyle on the TV could see my wife and was
getting eyefull!  Also, when I was younger the camera I had could not
photograph a tv image so I had grown up thinking all your average point
and shoot cameras could not capture a TV image.  I was surprised to find
that this new kodak could, especially since it was a cheap one.  
Who wants to join me in believing that Gomer was getting himself a good
look at my wife?

Jim
From: greenidd@CS.ColoState.EDU (danielle greenidge)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.ghost-stories
Subject: Re: Street lights
Date: 28 Aug 92 15:57:40 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department

I don't think that having street lights go out on you is a common occurrance.
Before reading this newsgroup, I have never heard of this happening with
anyone and I've talked with lots of people.  What this means, I don't know. I
just wanted to post that it's never happened to me so it can't be that
common... as I'm about as common as one can get! :)


	--Danielle.

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From: kmoore@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Kyle E Moore)
Subject: College Theatre Ghosts
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:18:52 GMT

     I graduated with a BFA in Theatre from Otterbein College in Westerville, 
OH.  (I just recently posted to this group about the "lavender scent" in the 
theatre at Drake Union on OSU's campus).  Our own resident theatre ghost at 
Otterbein was known as "Twyla".  Supposedly a young gal, a senior at Otterbein,
auditioned for a part that she didn't get, and later committed suicide in the 
theatre.  This is legend, mind you, and I make no claims to its validity.  
Anyway, that's what we would tell the reasonably frightenable freshmen upon
their induction into various and sundry theatre honoraries.  It was fun.  I 
never experienced anything with Twyla myself, but a lot of other people that I 
know, mostly women in the department, said that they'd had a brush with her at 
one point or another.

     Keep the stories coming. :) Boo!

     K-Mo

     kmoore@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From: janosi@fnalni.fnal.gov
Subject: a ghost called Mary Worth
Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 12:00:57 GMT
X-Posted-From: fnalni.fnal.gov
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

Have any of you ever heard of a ghost called Mary Worth?  Well, this is the 
story as I heard it as a kid.  There was once this very beautiful young girl.
One day she fell through a window and cut up her face very badly.  She was so 
distraught and horrified when she saw herself in the mirror afterwords that she
supposedly walked into the mirror to try to recover the beautiful image that
was once there.  She was never seen again.  Supposedly if you stand in front of
a mirror in the dark of night, stare into the mirror and repeat her name over 
and over again, she will appear in the mirror and walk towards you.  

When we were kids, we used to have alot of sleepovers and this was one of our
favorite games to play about midnight.  Well, one night, there was a group of
about a dozen of us little girls, all about 12 or 13 years old, and we were
playing this game in the basement.  We were repeating the name over and over
just as we were supposed to, just as we had dozens of times before.  Well, this
time something was different.  All of a sudden, the mirror started to fog up
around the edges.  There were 3 girls that were in front of the rest of us and
all of a sudden they all started screaming and turned and ran out of the room.
We immediately turned on the lights and found one of the girls cowering in the
opposite corner of the room and she had a long red scratch along her right 
cheek.  She just kept screaming and by this time most of us were so scared,
we were all crying.  We had all seen the mirror fog up.  After she calmed down,
the girl told us that she saw someone else in the mirror and whoever it was
reached out and tried to grab her.  The other two girls that were standing in 
front with her went home and wouldn't come back over again.  We didn't get much
sleep that night and, needless to say, never tried to play this game again.  I
still think about it sometimes when I see a mirror in a dark room and wonder
what really happened that night.


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