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From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
Subject: No one can take you away from the Father if you belong to Jesus!
Date: 07 Jan 93 10:59:14 GMT
Organization: Microsoft Corporation

Actually, I'd say that...

no one can take you away from the father if you belong to jesus 

...no one...EXCEPT YOU YOURSELF.

You yourself can reject Christ & the Father & the Spirit. 

-jen

ps you didn't mean to imply that a woman could take you away from the
father, did you? <grin>

In article <1993Jan6.165948.27806@sei.cmu.edu> tef@sei.cmu.edu (Tracey Fox) writes:
>
>NO man can take you away from the Father if you belong to Jesus!
>No MAN can take you away from the Father if you belong to Jesus!
>No man CAN take you away from the Father if you belong to Jesus!
>No man can TAKE you away from the Father if you belong to Jesus!
>No man can take YOU away from the Father if you belong to Jesus!
>No man can take you AWAY from the Father if you belong to Jesus!
>No man can take you away FROM the Father if you belong to Jesus!
>No man can take you away from THE Father if you belong to Jesus!
>No man can take you away from the FATHER if you belong to Jesus!
>No man can take you away from the Father IF you belong to Jesus!
>No man can take you away from the Father if YOU belong to Jesus!
>No man can take you away from the Father if you BELONG to Jesus!
>No man can take you away from the Father if you belong TO Jesus!
>No man can take you away from the Father if you belong to JESUS!
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From: jsattle@andy.bgsu.edu (jason sattler)
Subject: Re: Michael W. Smith Tickets :(
Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:48:13 GMT

Can anyone give me the dates/towns in MWS's tour for this year.  I live near
Toledo, Ohio if that helps.  It's beens two years since I last saw him
and I've got to have my fixx (ha Ha!)

	Thanx in advance!

	Nickie
	jsattle@dad.bgsu.edu

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From: caw@gtech.com (Christopher A. White)
Subject: Re: Def Lepard Cursed?
Organization: GTECH Corporation, West Greenwich, RI
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:22:17 GMT

In article <C0r9H7.86z@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> svanegmo@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen Van Egmond) writes:
>Maybe it is only my old nature...

Naaaaaaaaahhhhhhh, I'm just a metal snob. I've no patience for teeny bopper
hard-rock wannnabees. Of course, it's just my snobbish opinion ...


Topher
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From: st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Shane Keister
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:19:10 GMT
Article-I.D.: andrew.YfIi5i_00YUo4TiXlE
Organization: Doctoral student, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

Shane Keister is a session player in Nashville who recently has been 
branching out into producing.  He was partly responsible for introducing
Michael W. Smith to the Christian music scene (Read Michael's book).
You will find his keyboard work on dozens of CCM albums.  He recently
produced Maia Amada's album. 

Steve Timm
From: clopton5107@iscsvax.uni.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: REVIEW: Blackhouse
Date: 8 Jan 93 10:54:41 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1993Jan4.235820.24646@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, md@sound.esm.rochester.edu (Mike DeMurga) writes:
> In article <1993Jan4.024354.804@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>>one nice thing is that Material World is copyright 1990. this is well 
>>before any other Christian bands started getting into the scene. 
>>Blackhouse represents the most authentic and least commercialized of 
>>Christian industrial. it's nice to see some of the roots & realize
>>that CCM doesn't have to be published by some subsidiary of Word to
>>be quality, original stuff.
>>
>>
>>jason
>>
> Hi.  About the copyright date...I picked up Blackhouse "Holy War"
> the year it came out (1987!).  I drove to RRRecords in Lowell, MA
> (the record company) to pick it up.  As far as I know, this record is 
> out of print.  AND I don't think it was there first release, either.
> They may of had a tape or two released before.  Anyway, they were
> one of the first to put out Christian music like this...That record
> really through me for a loop.  It got a rave review in Option magazine.
> I haven't heard Material World yet, but I'm sure there production quality
> has improved, or at least I hope so... :).
> 
> Take Care,
> 
> Michael DeMurga


        Blackhouse has a pretty long discography.  Other titles include



Pro Life?
Hidden Beneath the Metal
Father Son and Holy Ghost
We Will Fight Back
Stairway To Heaven
The Gospel According to the Men In Black


I know that there are others.  Mike Delaney of Rad Rocker's Emporium is close
to the band in a buisiness sence, and is one of their key distributers in the
United States, so far as I can tell.
        Most of the oldest Blackhouse I've seen was on TDK D cassettees, and
had photocoppied J-Cards.  Friends and neighbors, we are talkin'looooowwwww
budget and small numbers.  If these guys ever get broad acceptance, this stuff
is going to be CO-LEC_TI_BLE!!!!!  Some stuff already is (like the vynil of We
Will Fight Back with the crucified rabbit on the cover---I kid you not.)
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From: phil@pex.eecs.nwu.edu (William LeFebvre)
Subject: Re: Mail Order CD's?
Organization: EECS Department, Northwestern University
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:51:55 GMT

In article <SCHOUTEN.93Jan5120029@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu> schouten@sp95.csrd.uiuc.edu (Dale Schouten) writes:
>Does anyone know of a good place to order CCM CDs?
>(here good is loosely defined as wide selection and reasonably low
>price)

Try:

True Tunes, Etc.
210 W. Front St
Wheaton, IL 60187

Phone: 708/665-FUNN

They do mail-order sales.  I believe they may also have an 800 number,
but I don't have that in front of me at this time.

As someone explained it to me: "they are a Christian
music/video/t-shirt (notice no books!) store".  I'm not sure how they
compare on price, but they do run specials pretty regularly.  They
also have their own newspaper which gets sent out periodically (is
it quarterly?).

I'm not affiliated with True Tunes, except as a satisfied customer.

		William LeFebvre
		Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
		Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
		Northwestern University
		<phil@eecs.nwu.edu>
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From: stwalker@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu (sean walker)
Subject: Re: YES! Hotel California is Evil!
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 18:37:33 GMT

For those who don't know the lyrics, here they are:

Hotel Californ

On a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair
warm smell of colitas rising up through the air
up ahead in the distance, I saw a shimmering light
my head grew heavy and my sight grew dimmer
I had to stop for the night

There she stood in the doorway;
I heard the mission bell
and I was thinking to myself,
'this could be Heaven or this could be Hell'
Then she lit up a candle and she showed me the way
There were voices down the corridor, 
I thought I heard them say...

Welcome to the Hotel California
Such a lovely place (such a lovely face)
Plenty of room at the Hotel California
Any time of year, you can find it here

Her mind is Tiffany-twisted, she got the Mercedes bends
She got a lot of pretty, pretty boys, that she calls friends
How they dance in the courtyard, sweet summer sweat.
Some dance to remember, some dance to forget

So I called up the Captain,
'Please bring me my wine'
He said, 'We haven't had that spirit here since ninteen sixty nine'
And still those voices are calling from far away,
Wake you up in the middles of the night 
Just to hear them say...

Welcome to the Hotel California
Such a lovely place (such a lovely face)
They livin' it up at the Hotel California
What a nice suprise, bring you alibis

Mirrors on the ceiling 
The pink champagne on ice
And she said 'We are all just prisoners here, of our own device'
And in the master's chambers,
They gathered for the feast
They stab it with their steely knives, 
But they just can't kill the beast

Last thing I remember, I was
Running for the door
I had to find the passage back
To the place I was before
'Relax', said the night man,
We are programmed to receive,
You can check out any time you like,
   but you can never leave'.

With respect to this song. If I remember correctly it was written about
a satanic church. (Of course, this could have been just a rumour). In any
case IMHO this definately does not glorify evil or really show anything 
positive about the "Hotel California".
From: ST1T0@jetson.uh.edu (Carl Seiler)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Is "Hotel California" evil?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:07:37 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
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In <79082@hydra.gatech.EDU> vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU writes:

>  Well, here's my $0.02.  I've heard that H.C. was evil for a long time, 
>  primarily from those 'evil beat' type videos.  The evidence is that 
>  
>  1)  Anton LeVay, reknowned Satanist (maybe founder of the 'religion'?), 
>  	or a reasonable facsimilie (sp?) thereof, is standing in the
>  	window of the hotel on the album cover.
>  
>  2)  The year 1969 ('we haven't had that spirit here since 1969') was of
>  	some importance to the Satanic church.  Perhaps the dedication of
>  	the satanic church in San Francisco, or something like that.
>  
>  3)  'I could hear the mission bell'  The satanic church in S.F. is supposed
>  	to be within earshot of a Christian mission hall or something.
>  
>  4)  'Just can't kill the beast,'  'You can check out any time you like
>  	but you can never leave,'  other lyrics that can be taken in
>  	a Satanic sense.
>  
>  I don't think there's any backmasking or anything of that sort.  It's basically
>  an interpretive thing.
>  
>  I personally love the song, and i always took it as a metaphor for drug abuse
>  (like Life in the Fast Lane).  I have no problem with it, though others 
>  might.  Any comments, anyone?  

Well, I don't particularly like the song.  I don't think, though, that 
it supports satanism.  It sounds pretty condemning of satanic activity 
if you ask me.  As far as the guy in the background, he looks pretty 
fuzzy to me.  As far as the lyrics, I think there are many ways to 
interpret them, probably none the way the Eagles meant it.

Carl
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From: ajw@cbnews.cb.att.com (andrew.j.whitman)
Subject: Re: Top 40 CCM albums of 1992
Organization: AT&T
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 14:02:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan5.153253.840@uoft02.utoledo.edu> jsteiner@anwsun.phya.utoledo.edu (jason 'Think!' steiner) writes:
>fish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Eric West) writes:
>> 
>> According to Billboard Magazine's year-end list, here are 1992's 
>> most popular CCM albums...
>
>wow. talk about out of the mainstream. i've never even -heard- any of
>these.

Me either.  Anybody know if any demographic studies have ever been done
to determine who buys these albums?  In the secular music world, the
standard line seems to be that adolescent girls tend to buy Top 40,
adolescent boys tend to buy Heavy Metal, etc.  Do these trends carry
over into CCM as well?  No flames intended toward either genre of
music - I'm honestly curious.  And what types of music do middle-aged
ex-hippies with sarcastic streaks tend to buy?

>jason
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From: henrik@stat.tamu.edu (Henrik Schmiediche)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Long Haired Man
Date: 4 Jan 1993 17:39:59 GMT
Organization: Department of Statistics, TAMU
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In article <1992Dec30.172950.25181@odin.corp.sgi.com> labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com writes:
>I have a very long hair and some of my relatives & friends condemned it,
>some don't, and some no comments....I like my hair and I'm not going to
>cut it for anything.....Is that a bad attitude????Is it wrong to like
>your hair....
>

This answer may be slightly different from the many answer that tell
you that lenght of your hair is irrelevant and not important. I do not
believe that appearance by itself matters to God (some other posts have
given scritpures to this matter - I believe Paul talks about this in Romans).
What does matter, however, is your heart and the reason you are wearing
long hair. If your long hair is a statement of rebellion against
family, society, the curch, etc. then I do believe that "the expression
of your rebellion - long hair" is sin and God will - if your truly
seek Him - convict you about this matter. Nowadays, the length
of most peoples hair is not a statement of rebellion, but a statement of 
fashion and as such I believe that the lenght of your hair is irrelevant
to your relationship with God.

     - Henrik



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From: thomas@mvac23.UUCP (Thomas Lapp)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Hey, Screamin' Diane
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 11:24:42 EST
Organization: MultiVac23, Newark, DE, U.S.A.

00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
> A friend of mine, a blues guitarist named Governor Davis (group: Governor 
> Davis and the Blues Ambassadors, who have been trying to get me to play but 
> I hate the smoky club blues scene...), wondered how can people doing Gospel 
> music sing the Blues??
> 
> I mean, Buddy Guy didn't exactly write stuff like, 'Got my soul saved, yeah,
> but my baby just left town...'.

Well, those lyrics might not make good blues, but how about this:

"Captive on my Code-a-Phone was a voice that spread like light
He reminds me of a mistake I used to call Baby
And I ate it up like an ice-cream cone and willed him to be right
And build a dream on a string of "ifs" and "maybe's"
But inside there is no peace
My head yells run, my heart cries stay, who can I believe?

When the house divides against itself, the wrecking ball will soon prevail
Still I look for love on the main line."

 -- "Love On The Mainline", Ashley Cleveland

(Which BTW, has biblical roots in Luke 11:17, "Jesus knew their thoughts
 and said to them: 'Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined,
 and a house divided against itself will fall.' ")
                         - tom
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From: cdelaney@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuck Delaney)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Scott Wesley Brown's My Treasure
Date: 4 Jan 93 16:37:51 GMT
Article-I.D.: shelley.1i9p4vINN8la
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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In article <1993Jan4.104123.976@iti.gov.sg> jameslow@iti.gov.sg (James Low (RC)) writes:
>Hi, I am looking for this album by SWB.  I understand it was done in 1982.
>I could not find it any more here in Singapore.  Wondering if it can be
>found in States?

Sorry, I don't know anything about _My Treasure_ (except that it's a SWB
song--are you sure it's also the album title?).  But I have a SWB question
of my own:

An album I have been trying to find for years now is SWB's _Song and Stories_.
I've only heard one cut from it, a story called "Alphabet Prayers" followed
by the song "I Wish You Jesus", both live.  This cut received quite a bit of
airplay on our Christian music station back when I was in college (seven or
eight years ago).  One DJ there, with whom I spoke at the time, said _Songs
and Stories_ was a "limited release" album--whatever that means.  Sure enough,
all the bookstores and other places where I've inquired have never heard of it.

So, two questions (at least):

Any SWB fans out there who might have a copy of this album, or perhaps seen
one somewhere?

Anybody out there know what the copyright laws say about making a copy of an
album that is no longer available from the publisher?

I'd appreciate any and all responses--thanks in advance...

Blessed New Year!
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Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
From: Tom Moellering <moeller@convex.com>
Subject: Re: 77's in Atlanta!!!!!!!!!!!! (Dallas Too!)
Originator: moeller@neptune.convex.com
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 16:01:04 GMT
Reply-To: moeller@convex.com (Tom Moellering)
Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA
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              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In article <79747@hydra.gatech.EDU> vapspwi@prism.gatech.EDU (Jerry B. Ray, Jr.) writes:
>	This is a worldwide alert that THE SEVENTY SEVENS are coming to
>Atlanta. (I know, I was stunned when I heard the news myself) Opening for
>them are Curious Fools and the Sanctified Glory Mountain Revival Band.
>	It will happen at 7:30 p.m., Feb. 1 at the Smyrna Community Center on
>Atlanta Road. This is a different location than earlier due to a conflict.
>	Tickets are $12.50 advance and $15 at the door. They can be purchased
>by mail-order by writing to Mission Music Ministries, P.O, Box 724973,
>Atlanta, Ga. 31139.

They will be in the Dallas Fort Worth Area on 1/29 and 1/30 for $8.
Where?  Powerhouse, formerly Footloose, in Irving.

Hey, anybody on this group going to be there besides me?  I want to put some
faces to these names!

--
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                 Come to the garden, come to the hill.
                  Come to the tree, come to the kill.
           Won't break your bones, but it can break your will.
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From: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu. (Claude W. Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Scott Wesley Brown's My Treasure
Date: 5 Jan 93 11:59:00 GMT
Reply-To: anderson@cs.rose-hulman.edu
Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman
NNTP-Posting-Host: mercutio.cs.rose-hulman.edu

James Low (RC) writes

> >>Hi, I am looking for this album by SWB.  I understand it was done in  
1982.
> >>I could not find it any more here in Singapore.  Wondering if it can be
> >>found in States?

> Well, that is what my friend told me.  You see, she has lost the cassette
> case/cover.  She is left with the tape.  The tape is very old and dying,  
so she
> would like to find another (one of her favourite albums).
> 
> It was done by Sparrow Records, Inc.
> 
> The songs on the tape are:
> Learning to live like Jesus
> Someone's got a hold of me
> This little child
> The Lord's prayer
> Your word
> Fall on me
> My treasure
> Out on a limb
> Close to you
> Keep the son in your eyes

The album is called called "SWB" and was done in 1981.
Longs Christian Music has the tape listed in their catalog for $5.99,
along with 11 other Scott Wesley Brown albums.

Longs Cristian Music
1610 Edgewater Drive
Orlando, FL 32804
(407) 649-1914

I think it's worth calling them and asking for their catalog.
Their prices (Typically 9.50 for cassettes and 12.99 for CDs,
plus one-free-with-four-or-five) are a little bit better
than typical Xtn bookstores (Not as good as Christian Book
and Supply, however), and their selection is the most
extensive I've seen published anywhere (around 3000 titles).
Unlike CB&S, they usually seem to have most of the stuff
in stock.  And they have a "Listen before you buy" number you can call to  
hear samples of what's on most of their albums.

No, I am not associated with Longs, merely an occasional customer.


Claude Anderson
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From: gray4033@iscsvax.uni.edu (Neal Gray)
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: Re: Coming Attractions in IOWA
Date: 11 Jan 93 08:18:44 -0600
Organization: University of Northern Iowa

In article <1993Jan10.214712.9732@iscsvax.uni.edu>, sperry2699@iscsvax.uni.edu 
writes:
> CONCERTS FOR THE DUBUQUE, MUSKATINE (sp?), AND DES MOINES AREA!
> 
[stuff deleted]
>
> Saturday, January 16:
> WHITEHEART at the 1st Federated Church in Des Moines, IA.
>         This is all I know about this concert.  Sorry.
>
As much information as I got, I have no idea who's supposed to play at this
concert.  I can confirm it is WhiteHeart, and that three bands will play at
this event.  The only problem is that it is either Rachael Rachael, and a yet
un-named band(source: 1st Federated Mailing), or Out of the Grey, and Pray for
Rain. (Des Moines Register, Datebook Section)
> 
> 
> DC TALK should be coming through Iowa sometime in April.
> 
> 
> If any Iowans have more info PLEASE post it or send it to me through e-mail.
> 
> Thanks,
> Evan
> 
Don't mention it.
        Neal Gray
From: 00sanaylor@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.music.christian
Subject: blues appreciation
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:45:37 GMT
Organization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's

To finish some thoughts off...

My musical tastes are so eclectic that my wife and I usually can settle on
at least a few albums (although her current ANTI-favorite is Dan Baird's
'Love Songs for the Hearing Impaired') so it's not so bad.

Her comments on Robert Johnson: "It all sounds the same".

Sigh. She's right. At least I can tell that some of them are in different keys.
My favorite line from the RJ set:

	"Woke up this morning 
	 All my shrimps was dead and gone..."


			Robert Johnson, 'Dead Shrimp Blues'



And, I've seen Rush from the front row TWICE.  From Alex's side, no less!


Scott Naylor "My Wife likes ALABAMA, so pray for her!!"
Ball State University
Muncie, Indiana
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