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Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 09:04:01 -0500
From: Lilly Wang <lilly@sura.net>
To: status@sura.net
Subject: UNF down



1/23/93			UNF
8:45 - ?		 University of North Florida is unreachable at this 
			moment.  The problem is being investigated and no 
			estimated up time can be given now.  No other sites
			are affected by this outage.


Lilly Wang
SURAnet Operations
(301)982-3214
Email: lilly@sura.net
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 18:58:37 -0500
From: Ramin Farahi-far <ramin@sura.net>
To: status@sura.net
Subject: OCCS <-> WTN1 down

01/23/93	OCCS <-> WTN1 line down.
18:00 - ?	The line from National Library of Medicine (OCCS division) to
		MCI Washington terminal POP has been accidentally disconected
		by MCI.  MCI will restore connectivity very soon.  OCCS
		should be reachable through an alternate route. No other sites
		were affected by this outage. We appologize for any 
		inconvenience this may have caused.
		


Ramin Farahi-far
SURAnet Operations
ramin@sura.net						(301) 982-3214
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:55:05 -0500
From: ANS Network Operations Center <noc@noc.ans.net>
To: nsr@merit.edu, trouble@noc.ans.net
Subject: 01/25/93 ENSS 143  Univ of Wash Unreachable via T3 20:31 - 21:28 EST

01/25/93 ENSS 143  Univ of Wash Unreachable via T3 20:31 - 21:28 EST
 due to circuit problems.

   ENSS143 is currently reachable via its T1 backup connection.

   --- Jay Nugent
       ANS Network Operations Center
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 23:20:06 -0500
From: Ramin Farahi-far <ramin@sura.net>
To: status@sura.net
Subject: IEM is back up.

01/23/92	IEM is back up
23:15		Innovative Emergency Management has restored connectivity at
		this time.


Ramin Farahi-far
SURAnet Operations
ramin@sura.net						(301) 982-3214
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 10:51:23 -0500
From: Tracy Bowers <tbowers@sura.net>
To: status@sura.net
Subject: WTN scheduled maintenance ...




01/25/93	Two Cisco routers at the WTN (Washington MCI Pop) WTN1 and
		WTN4 will be taken down for maintenance starting at 05:00
		hours on January 25, 1993.  The schedule:

	WTN1:
		05:00 - 05:30 	Upgrade CSC3 to CSC4

	Affected Sites:

		EPFL - Enoch Pratt Free Library
		NIST - National Institute of Standards and Technology
		NSBE - National Society of Black Engineers
		LOC  - Library of Congress
		OCSS - National Library of Medicine
		IDA  - Institute for Defense Analysis
		SMTH - Smithsonian Institution
		AMU  - American University
		NCI  - National Cancer Institute
		HOOD - Hood College
		IBM  - International Business Machines, Corp.
		TJHS - Thomas Jefferson High School
		
	WTN4:
		05:30 - 06:00  Cisco MCI board swap
	
	Affected Sites:
	
		OSI - Department of Energy
		OSA - Optical Society of America
		

 ---<} Tracy Lee Bowers {>---
       tbowers@sura.net
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Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 20:14:58 -0500
From: Ramin Farahi-far <ramin@sura.net>
To: status@sura.net
Subject: APL is reachable

01/24/93	APL is reachable.
19:45		Applied Physics Laboratory has restored connectivity at this 
		time.


Ramin Farahi-far
SURAnet Operations
ramin@sura.net						(301) 982-3214
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 07:21:55 -0500
From: ANS Network Operations Center <noc@noc.ans.net>
To: nsr@merit.edu
Subject: 01/26/93 ENSS 143 Univ of Wash Unreachable via T3 06:13 - 07:07 EST


01/23/93 ENSS 143 Univ of Wash Unreachable via T3 03:56 - 04:29 EST
due to circuit problems.

ENSS 143 was reachable via its T1 backup connection during this time.

        Bill Nowak
        ANS Network Operations
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 22:26:28 -0500
From: Ramin Farahi-far <ramin@sura.net>
To: status@sura.net
Subject: IEM is unreachable

01/23/93	IEM is unreachable.
22:00		Innovative Emergency Management is currently unreachable. No
		other sites are affected by this outage. Estimated up time is
		unknown.


Ramin Farahi-far
SURAnet Operations
ramin@sura.net						(301) 982-3214
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 08:43:50 -0500
From: Lilly Wang <lilly@sura.net>
To: status@sura.net
Subject: APL down



01/24/93		APL
8:20 - ?		Applied Physics Lab of Johns Hopkins University site in
			Laurel, Maryland is currently unreachable.  No other sites
			are affected by this outage.  No estimated up time can be
			given at this moment.

Lilly Wang
SURAnet Operations
(301)982-3214
Email: lilly@sura.net
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 23:32:48 -0500
From: Ramin Farahi-far <ramin@sura.net>
To: status@sura.net
Subject: IEM is unreachable

01/24/93	IEM is unreachable.
22:00 - ?	Innovative Emergency Management is currently unreachable.
		The cause of the outage is suspected to be a faulty CSU/DSU
		at MCI POP in New Orleans. No other sites is affected by the
		outage. Estimated uptime is unknown at this time. We appologize
		for any inconvenience this may have caused.


Ramin Farahi-far
SURAnet Operations
ramin@sura.net						(301) 982-3214
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 21:10:25 -0500
From: ANS Network Operations Center <noc@noc.ans.net>
To: nsr@merit.edu, trouble@noc.ans.net
Subject: 01/25/93 ENSS 143  Univ of Wash Unreachable via T3 20:31 - ???? EST

01/25/93 ENSS 143  Univ of Wash Unreachable via T3 20:31 - ???? EST
 due to circuit problems.

   ENSS143 is currently reachable via its T1 backup connection.

   --- Jay Nugent
       ANS Network Operations Center
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 08:41:30 -0500
From: Chris Maukonen <chris@aquarius.cc.ucf.edu>
To: sura-ops@sura.net
Subject: Responce Times (yehhh !!!)
Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=US-ASCII

We have been haveing some really poor responce times to and
from the JAX POP.


   aquarius# traceroute archie.rutgers.edu
   traceroute to dorm.Rutgers.EDU (128.6.18.15), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1  campusgw.CC.UCF.EDU (132.170.240.1)  3 ms  3 ms  3 ms
    2  ucf-sura.gw.ucf.edu (132.170.61.2)  4 ms  3 ms  3 ms
--> 3  128.167.69.1 (128.167.69.1)  1977 ms  1662 ms  2177 ms <--
    4  128.167.208.1 (128.167.208.1)  1878 ms  1616 ms  1518 ms
    5  atu-jkv-c1.sura.net (128.167.159.1)  2687 ms  1175 ms  1933 ms
    6  git2-atu-c1.sura.net (128.167.160.2)  2252 ms  1611 ms  2130 ms
    7  lex-git2-c1.sura.net (128.167.87.2)  2318 ms  1874 ms  1790 ms
    8  wvnet-lex-c1.sura.net (128.167.144.1)  1624 ms  1912 ms  1807 ms
    9  sura9-wvnet-c1.sura.net (128.167.19.1)  1528 ms  2558 ms  2701 ms
   10  College-Park.MD.ALTER.NET (192.221.254.242)  1791 ms *  2057 ms
   11  Washington.DC.ALTER.NET (192.41.177.248)  852 ms  1181 ms  284 ms
   12  New-Brunswick.NJ.ALTER.NET (137.39.18.2)  1325 ms  1553 ms  1497 ms
   13  l (128.6.21.10)  1340 ms  2878 ms  2819 ms
   14  dorm.rutgers.edu (128.6.18.15)  2373 ms  2757 ms  2521 ms
   aquarius# traceroute apple.com
   traceroute to apple.com (130.43.2.2), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
    1  campusgw.CC.UCF.EDU (132.170.240.1)  3 ms  3 ms  3 ms
    2  ucf-sura.gw.ucf.edu (132.170.61.2)  4 ms  4 ms  4 ms
--> 3  128.167.69.1 (128.167.69.1)  1904 ms  2843 ms  3203 ms <---
    4  128.167.208.1 (128.167.208.1)  3686 ms  2970 ms  3158 ms
    5  atu-jkv-c1.sura.net (128.167.159.1)  3440 ms  3531 ms  3112 ms
    6  git2-atu-c1.sura.net (128.167.160.2)  3557 ms  3707 ms  2918 ms
    7  Atlanta-Enss.gatech.edu (192.76.181.253)  3802 ms  3618 ms  3611 ms
    8  t3-1.Atlanta-cnss105.t3.ans.net (140.222.105.2)  3421 ms  3122 ms  2897
ms
    9  t3-3.Atlanta-cnss104.t3.ans.net (140.222.104.4)  3037 ms  3477 ms  3421
ms
   10  t3-2.Houston-cnss64.t3.ans.net (140.222.64.3)  3885 ms  2094 ms  1831 ms
   11  * t3-2.Los-Angeles-cnss16.t3.ans.net (140.222.16.3)  2458 ms  3027 ms
   12  t3-2.San-Francisco-cnss8.t3.ans.net (140.222.8.3)  2562 ms  2419 ms  2514
ms
   13  t3-0.San-Francisco-cnss9.t3.ans.net (140.222.9.1)  3007 ms  3362 ms  3554
ms
   14  t3-0.enss128.t3.ans.net (140.222.128.1)  4022 ms  3855 ms  3884 ms
   15  SU-B.BARRNET.NET (192.31.48.201)  2680 ms  2838 ms  2026 ms
   16  SU4.BARRNET.NET (131.119.254.16)  2800 ms  3286 ms  3789 ms
   17  APPLE.BARRNET.NET (131.119.102.2)  3059 ms  3216 ms  3143 ms
   18  torii.apple.com (130.43.1.5)  3189 ms  2753 ms  3223 ms
   19  apple.com (130.43.2.2)  4128 ms  3329 ms  3596 ms
   aquarius#


This has been like this for a cpuple of weeks now. (At least that is how long I
have
aware of it.) Is there any reason for this ?? Is there anything that can be done
?
(Am I tilting a windmills ?? :-)  )


Thnaks

Chris



Chris Maukonen
Sr. Systems Programmer
Univ. Central Florida
chris@aquarius.cc.ucf.edu
(407) 823 5460
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 21:33:50 -0500
From: Ramin Farahi-far <ramin@sura.net>
To: status@sura.net
Subject: WSRC is up

01/23/93	WSRC is up.
20:00 		Westinghouse/Savanah River Company is now back on line.


Ramin Farahi-far
SURAnet Operations
ramin@sura.net						(301) 982-3214
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 04:40:11 -0500
From: "Bill J. Nowak" <wjn@noc.ans.net>
To: nsr@merit.edu
Subject: 01/23/93 ENSS 143 Univ of Wash Unreachable via T3 03:56 - 04:29 EST


01/23/93 ENSS 143 Univ of Wash Unreachable via T3 03:56 - 04:29 EST
due to possible circuit problems.

ENSS 143 was reachable via its T1 backup connection during this time.

	Bill Nowak
	ANS Network Operations
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 21:59:31 -0500
From: Ramin Farahi-far <ramin@sura.net>
To: status@sura.net
Subject: Reminder -- WTN Scheduled maintenance

This is a reminder of the following message:
 
-> 01/25/93	Two Cisco routers at the WTN (Washington MCI Pop) WTN1 and
-> 		WTN4 will be taken down for maintenance starting at 05:00
-> 		hours on January 25, 1993.  The schedule:
-> 
-> 	WTN1:
-> 		05:00 - 05:30 	Upgrade CSC3 to CSC4
-> 
-> 	Affected Sites:
-> 
-> 		EPFL - Enoch Pratt Free Library
-> 		NIST - National Institute of Standards and Technology
-> 		NSBE - National Society of Black Engineers
-> 		LOC  - Library of Congress
-> 		OCSS - National Library of Medicine
-> 		IDA  - Institute for Defense Analysis
-> 		SMTH - Smithsonian Institution
-> 		AMU  - American University
-> 		NCI  - National Cancer Institute
-> 		HOOD - Hood College
-> 		IBM  - International Business Machines, Corp.
-> 		TJHS - Thomas Jefferson High School
-> 		
-> 	WTN4:
-> 		05:30 - 06:00  Cisco MCI board swap
-> 	
-> 	Affected Sites:
-> 	
-> 		OSI - Department of Energy
-> 		OSA - Optical Society of America
-> 


Ramin Farahi-far
SURAnet Operations
ramin@sura.net						(301) 982-3214
Newsgroups: sura.noc.status
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 20:14:12 -0500
From: ANS Network Operations Center <noc@noc.ans.net>
To: nsr@merit.edu
Subject: 01/22/93 Rescheduled Maintenance ENSS 143 University of Washington


01/22/93 Rescheduled Maintenance ENSS 143 University of Washington. Due
to inclement weather, the circuit testing scheduled to occur on 01/22/93
at ENSS 143 University of Washington has been postphoned. This circuit testing 
will be rescheduled at a later date.

--Michael O'Neill
  ANS Network Operations
From: josephs@msen.com (Joseph Stroup)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: Users Group
Date: 25 Jan 1993 01:55:06 -0500
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com

Zmodem through PDP's ? I agree with Ed from Msen. There are
much better ways of doing things. Theres a new users group here
in the Ann Arbor area that you can join and do e-mail, news, ftp
and more....Why waste the time trying a hack. There are many good
sites to go to. Telnet & all the rest are a phone call away. There
is a real plus to being part of a users group. For info on the new
Network Users Group, Ltd = a Non Profit group and access, mail to...



              info@sally.joe.com
              
-- 
J. Stroup     Manager  Network Users Group, Ltd.
Xref: sparky mi.misc:896 mi.news:194
From: mjo@iao.ford.com (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: mi.misc,mi.news
Subject: Re: MI.ORG
Date: 22 Jan 1993 18:17:19 GMT
Organization: Not an official spokesperson for Ford Motor Company
Distribution: mi
Reply-To: Mike O'Connor <mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost

In article <1joucsINNf5g@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>
bryan@notorious.rs.itd.umich.edu (Bryan Beecher) writes:

:As the new chief of the MI.ORG domain, I'd like to make a suggestion:  Let's
:get rid of the domain!

Aigh!!  I like mi.org, and its relative flexibility.  I can relocate
my site within Michigan and not feel compelled to change my name
'cause I happen to enter a different city.  The addressing is
certainly less awkward.

:Seriously, I think it might be time that the domain be retired.  The folks at
:ISI do a pretty good job with the MI.US domain.  Any time I have sent mail
:to them, I've always gotten a prompt, courteous reply.

Currently, there are more mi.org email sites than mi.us sites, from
what I can divine from nslookup.  (Of course, with mi.us one can do
subnetting).  I remember hearing at one of the SEMiSLUGs (from Steve
Simmons, possibly), that some of the well-managed domain parks like
lonestar.org, mn.org, and mi.org, might be given regional control by
the ISI people.  This was awhile back.

:MI.US is becoming increasingly populated.  High schools around Michigan are
:getting connected, and they are part of the domain.  There was also a lot of
:talk at the last IETF about reserving the EDU domain for four-year colleges
:and universities, and placing other schools under <state>.US.

Ahhh...  the three high schools that I see in your DNS seem to be
under k12.mi.us, rather than some-city.mi.us.  How do the people who
run .ca feel about a k13.{province}.ca for their high schools?

:How would people feel about a slow transition to remove the MI.ORG domain
:in favor of the MI.US domain?  I'd still be willing to act as a front-end
:for people who needed some help getting registered.

I am not in favor of it.  Of course, I realize that you're doing all
the work involved -- for our information, how much work IS involved?

						...Mike

-- 
 Michael J. O'Connor           |  Internet:  mjo@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com
 Ford Motor Company, OPEO      |  UUCP:      ...!{backbone}!fmsrl7!mjo
 20000 Rotunda, Bldg. 1-3001   |  Phone:     +1 (313) 248-1260
 Dearborn, MI  48121           |  Fax:       +1 (313) 323-6277
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: jfk@ais.org (Jim Knight)
Subject: Re: Zmodem on Merit
Keywords: zmodem, Merit
Organization: UMCC
Distribution: mi
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:13:04 GMT

jal@acc.flint.umich.edu (John Lauro) writes:

>In article <C1CD33.BL@fog.ann-arbor.mi.us> brian@fog.ann-arbor.mi.us (Brian S. Schang) writes:
>>Hi.  The other day I was trying to do a binary zmodem transfer from
>>my CAEN account on Merit with no success.  I am guessing that I have
>>to tell Merit that I am going to transfer a binary file through the
>>various Merit commands.  What commands are necessary?  What do I have
>>to do to get a zmodem transfer to work from Merit?
>>

>Kermit binary file transfers should work fine with no fussing.

>To do ZMODEM, the following should work:
>   <BREAK>
>   %remote binary on
>   <BREAK>
>   %binary on

  Actually, just do  <BREAK>
                     %bpc=8

  and then change your communications parameters to 8-n-1

  I do this regularly.  Works great for downloads.  Uploads
  are another problem altogether.

  Jim

=====================================================================
          M-Net -- America's First Public Access Unix System
          (313) 996-4644  -or-  telnet m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us
jfk@ais.org                                 jfk@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us
From: meg@netmeg.ann-arbor.mi.us (Meg Geddes)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: Y.A.T.
Date: 28 Jan 93 00:55:16 GMT
Distribution: mi
Organization: netmeg.ann-arbor.mi.us


yet another test...



-- 
Meg Geddes     <No admitted affiliation with anything>     Ann Arbor, MI
meg@netmeg.ann-arbor.mi.us

<I have PMS and root password.  Don't mess with me.>
Newsgroups: mi.misc
From: brian@fog.ann-arbor.mi.us (Brian S. Schang)
Subject: Zmodem on Merit
Summary: How to zmodem on Merit
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:42:38 GMT
Distribution: mi
Organization: fog, Ann Arbor, MI
Keywords: zmodem, Merit

Hi.  The other day I was trying to do a binary zmodem transfer from
my CAEN account on Merit with no success.  I am guessing that I have
to tell Merit that I am going to transfer a binary file through the
various Merit commands.  What commands are necessary?  What do I have
to do to get a zmodem transfer to work from Merit?

Thanks!

Brian
-- 
Brian S. Schang   N8FOG          brian@fog.ann-arbor.mi.us
46131 Academy Drive              schang@caen.engin.umich.edu
Plymouth, MI  48170-3519
Xref: sparky mi.misc:920 mi.news:211
From: chad@quality.ta.ford.com (Chad Childers)
Newsgroups: mi.misc,mi.news
Subject: Re: MI.ORG
Date: 27 Jan 93 23:12:14 GMT
Reply-To: Chad Childers <chad@quality.ta.ford.com>
Organization: Technical Affairs, Ford Motor Company
NNTP-Posting-Host: pms035.pms.ford.com
X-Disclaimer: Not an official spokesman for Ford Tech Affairs
Originator: chad@pms035

>sycom.mi.org mail goes through ilium.troy.msen.com
>m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us goes through destroyer and vela
>Mail to Msen customers should not bounce.  If it does we work with

Valid points.  You're right, it's not the MX records, it's the fact that
there was a little glitch on destroyer (and I suppose .mi.us doesn't have
the .mi.org rule that you have more than one feed).  True, Msen has a
business responsibility where UM doesn't, though UM has been very kind and
considerate to its feeds, considering.

>free UUCP feeds business, especially in the parts of the state

You may be right, Ed.  That wasn't what I was talking about, though.
All the mi.org sites I mentioned had other primary feeds (only one even
had destroyer listed).  It was the mi.us sites that were using destroyer.
So the logical decision would be to get rid of all the *.mi.us sites.
;-) ;-)  

The fact that mi.org is DIFFERENT from the rest of the world is OK because
it is BETTER than what they have elsewhere.  Better in terms of short
addresses, better in terms of a great group of people who communicate with
each other and solve problems before they become serious, better in terms of
a solid dependable network for mail delivery.  Would any of you push for 
um.cc.umich.ann-arbor.mi.us?  Or um.cc.umich.ann-arbor.mi.ac.us?  That's what
we should do if the US and Michigan aren't anything special.  If we're 
going to take the "democratic" approach of cutting off the heads of every
stalk of grain that is taller and better than the rest, OK, but let's
recognize that for what it is.

-- 
Chad Childers                            Work: chad@quality.ta.ford.com
FMEAplus Project Leader                  Home: chad@deep.mi.org
From: elixir@wybbs.mi.org (Rod Fulk)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: Hello
Keywords: feeds
Date: 21 Jan 93 23:03:19 GMT
Distribution: mi
Organization: Consultants Connection


I am looking for a feed for usenet areas...
I also have some minor quirks in my environment that I need to get
fixed as well...
Ie something addressedXd to 
elixir@therip.grand-rapids.mi.us
works.. But uux cant find....
therip.grand-rapids.mi.us!elixir
Any ideas?
I also am having problems getting the mail address header working on my system.
Ie instead of my messages saying
From: elixir@therip.grand-rapids.mi.us
they will have...
From: wyn386!wybbs!therip!elixir@destroyer...
Any ideas?
The reason why I am posting off wybbs is cause my posting doesnt seem to
be working either from my machine..
I havent had time to mess with that though..
 
I am running the SLS package of Linux (A PD unix clone..) Version 99.1
I have 99.3 here and plan to install it over the next couple days..
But I was curious if anyone knew what the above problems related to?
 
WHen I say I am looking for a feed.. I mean I would like to find
someone who can feed me a whole feed as well as route mail for me..
Can I link with destroyer directly to get stuff?
 
The feed I have now has space problems and I would like to go around him.
I BELIEVE he is getting his stuff through destroyer now but I am not sure..

I would appreciate any help anyone can give!
 
elixir@therip.grand-rapids.mi.us
or
elixir@wybbs.mi.org

-- 

elixir@wybbs.mi.org
From: spencer@med.umich.edu (Spencer W. Thomas)
Newsgroups: mi.misc
Subject: Re: Zmodem on Merit
Date: 27 Jan 93 19:31:05 GMT
Distribution: mi
Organization: University of Michigan HSITN
NNTP-Posting-Host: guraldi.itn.med.umich.edu
In-reply-to: ellis@nova.gmi.edu's message of Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:34:00 GMT

I have found that with a 9600 baud modem, and connecting to my host
with telnet, I need to slow down the zmodem program.  I find that 

sz -w 2048

works fine with my modem.  This forces it to wait every 2048
characters for an "ACK" from the other end, and apparently avoids
overrunning the intermediate buffering capacity.

I might also note that merit now supports PPP and SLIP connections,
which are certainly more functional, if not more reliable, than a
single serial connection.

--
=Spencer W. Thomas 		|  Info Tech and Networking, B1911 CFOB, 0704
   "Genome Informatician"	|  Univ of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI 48109
Spencer.W.Thomas@med.umich.edu	|  313-747-2778, FAX 313-764-4133
Xref: sparky mi.misc:895 mi.news:193
From: bryan@notorious.rs.itd.umich.edu (Bryan Beecher)
Newsgroups: mi.misc,mi.news
Subject: MI.ORG
Date: 22 Jan 1993 13:55:40 GMT
Organization: U of Michigan ITD Research Systems
Distribution: mi
NNTP-Posting-Host: notorious.rs.itd.umich.edu

Hello everyone.

As the new chief of the MI.ORG domain, I'd like to make a suggestion:  Let's
get rid of the domain!

Seriously, I think it might be time that the domain be retired.  The folks at
ISI do a pretty good job with the MI.US domain.  Any time I have sent mail
to them, I've always gotten a prompt, courteous reply.

MI.US is becoming increasingly populated.  High schools around Michigan are
getting connected, and they are part of the domain.  There was also a lot of
talk at the last IETF about reserving the EDU domain for four-year colleges
and universities, and placing other schools under <state>.US.

How would people feel about a slow transition to remove the MI.ORG domain
in favor of the MI.US domain?  I'd still be willing to act as a front-end
for people who needed some help getting registered.
-- 
Bryan Beecher, U-M Information Technology Division (+1 313 747 4050)
Domain:	Bryan.Beecher@umich.edu      Path:  ..!uunet!destroyer!bryan
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From: meg@netmeg.ann-arbor.mi.us (Meg Geddes)
Newsgroups: mi.misc,mi.news
Subject: Re: MI.ORG
Date: 27 Jan 93 22:50:50 GMT
Organization: netmeg.ann-arbor.mi.us


Hey, Owen, I wasn't suggesting that you were evil capitalistic pond-scum
getting rich off us poor huddled masses...

I was just celebrating the fact that a free alternative *does* exist for
those of us communistic leeches who have sunk so much of our pitiful 
monetary resources into hardware and phone lines that we can't afford a
commercial provider.

And yes, I am quite sure you are very reliable and wonderful.  So far, the
U has been very reliable for me too (over the past 3 or 4 years that I've
had UUCP accounts there) and while I realize that the dream could end and
I could find myself back in Kansas tomorrow morning, I'm grateful for the
night still to come.

That's all THAT was about..

-- 
Meg Geddes     <No admitted affiliation with anything>     Ann Arbor, MI
meg@netmeg.ann-arbor.mi.us

<I have PMS and root password.  Don't mess with me.>
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