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From: jsnell@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason Snell)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: SPOILEReview: "Emissary"
Date: 5 Jan 93 18:06:17 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
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Yikes! SPOILERama for Deep Space Nine's first episode!



SPOILERS, kids!



Okay. Let's make this short, since I'm calling in from a place
far from home and am sitting in an uncomfortable position.. :)

Anyway, I was impressed. This episode actually kept me guessing
and surprised me, which is something that never happened with the
predictable "Farpoint"... 

But it's not fair to compare this show with "Farpoint," because
not only did "F" really stink, but DS9 gets to use TNG's momentum
to get the ball rolling.

Short takes: Avery Brooks is good, with flashes of greatness and
occasional lapses. Nana Visitor seems fun and I enjoy seeing more of
her character, the major. Terry Farrell seemed passable, and her 
character of Dax, the "old man", is fascinating. O'Brien seemed 
to be the same old O'brien. The doctor, as a wet-behind-the-ears
would-be hero has potential, especially since he's enamored with a
hundreds-year-old Trill. Auberjonois was intriguiging as Odo... he
made me think of Marshall Dillon in "Gunsmoke," but, then, so did
Sisko -- I guess Piller and Berman have stuck with their word that
this would be "Gunsmoke" in space. I have no problems with that.

As for the story: thumbs up to the alien race (a scientific explanation
for the Bajoran religion of the "Celestial Temple," which was hokey,
sure, but was a mythos with a basis in reality) and to the way they
communicated with Sisko. The confrontation with the Cardassians was
also a pleasant diversion. Hell, I kept thinking I was watching
"Star Trek II" here! And there's no higher compliment than that from me...
Not for Star Trek, anyway.

Effects were superb, the best I've ever seen on TV. some of the best I've
ever seen, in fact. Though seeing the second Terminator (except gold, not
silver) effect was disappointing, not because it wasn't a cool effect but
because we know exactly where it came from. Morphing gone wild...

Music, of course, continues to stink. Hey, folks, if "DS9" can't have
dramatic music, what can? This is a western in space! Go wild! 
Sigh.

So, not a bad start. We can only hope it goes up from here... and looking
back at early TNG, we know that the show will probably evolve quite a bit
over the next year or two. But with great characterizations like the
ones they started here, DS9 has a big foot up on the early days of TNG.

Grade: Provisional A-. Compared to TNG, this one wins big time, but I
       so HATE to grade one student in comparison to another... :)

Until next time...

-jason

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From: trekker@leland.Stanford.EDU (Sanjai Dwivedula Rao)
Subject: Re: Kira - ick
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 00:31:58 GMT

In article <1993Jan8.110818.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> ngustas@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:
>I liked DS9, EXCEPT for Kira.  I'm not sure if it was the character, the
>direction, or the acting.  Where Ro was strong, Kira was shrill and strident.
>She was the only one that really grated on me - I liked the rest of the 
>characters, even Quark (_especially_ Quark).  Sigh.  Maybe she'll grow into
>the role.  Heaven knows Frakes and Sirtis have grown into theirs since
>"Encounter at Farpoint".

I disagree.  I though Kira's character was played quite well by Nana Visitor,
and although she may have, at times, had a tendency to overact, I think this
is only natural considering the nature of her character (an incredibly
passionate freedom fighter).  As for growing into the role, if that's what
it takes, than I don't think she has very far to go.

Sanjai Rao.


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From: willson@seas.gwu.edu (Stephen R. Willson)
Subject: Re: The worms within... <REPOST OF LIGHT SPOILER>
Organization: George Washington University
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 19:32:32 GMT

In article <106091@bu.edu> mcelroy@bu.edu (Carl Mackin) writes:
>U15289@uicvm.uic.edu wrote: 

>: In DS9, Lt. Dax's backstory states she is a wormlike species squatting
>: in a humanoid body.  Does anyone know if the worm, in this case, is the
>: same species...
[...]
>:  Mitch Pravatiner >:  U15289@uicvm.uic.edu > >
>could this be a SPOILER

Well, yeah, it could be a spoiler, but no one says he has seen the show. 
You could have asked the same question after reading the TV Guide articles.
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From: linley@netcom.com (Bruce James Robrert Linley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: The fate of Trill hosts
Date: 12 Jan 93 16:27:11 GMT
Article-I.D.: netcom.1993Jan12.162711.24867
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, UCLA

Well, we never heard Riker's description of the experience of having a slug
in his gut. So we don't know if the slug takes over the host's mind completely
or if it's a fusion of minds. I tend to belive that the slug takes over 100%
though. Notice how Odan (from "The Host") refers to his hosts as simply a
'replacement.' This would seem to suggest that the hosts are held in low
regard; maybe even as slaves bred only to serve the Trill. As to how the first
trill ever became implanted (This is pure speculation), perhaps they were
once able to live independently or inside (entering on their own) another
type of host. Then a humanoid type host to be appeared, was injured in battle
and a trill wriggled into his gut; and voil`a, the new and improved Trill are
born.
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From: YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Riker in command
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 93 22:44:39 EST

In article <1id65qINN25o@shelley.u.washington.edu>
gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes:
 
>
>In article <16B4DEAFB.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>>In article <rawdon.726259552@cs.wisc.edu>
>>>What evidence do you have that she was a spy?
>>   No evidence, but it would make some of the larger questions in CoC at
>>least understandable.  You never know what the writers may be planning
>>(or what writers' block they will have) in the future.  [I'm thinking
>>specifically of 'Why send Picard' thread.  Data's explanation just did not
>>seem to jell.]
>
>	Huh?
>
>	Let's see. Only three Star Fleet officers had extensive theta-band
>transmission experience.  Hmmm.....the Cardassians seem to be playing around
>with theta-band carrier waves. Two of our experts are out of Star Fleet...
>Hey, I know! LET'S SEND SOMEBODY WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EXPERIENCE WITH
>THETA-BAND WAVES!
>
>	Riiighhhht......
>
 
    Did Data say three officers or three captains? [My memory is somewhat
sketchy.]
    If former, it seems somewhat idiotic that Starfleet would have only ONE
officer who has extensive experience in relatively important technical area
(unless the other two officers were eased out by the vice-admiral?)
(or the Theta band emmissions may be a very obscure area of technology,
but given the experience of CIA and KGB, it seems if theta band emissions
can really be such a powerful weapon, and if         a relatively weak
[compared to the Feds] Cardassians [Jeez, do we have to start the argument
about how strong the Cards are...]  were given a reasonable chance of
developing it, it doesn't make sense to me that the Feds would ignore this
area of technology to such an extent that Starfleet has only one expert
on it.)
   If latter, then why couldn't they let a lower-ranking technician run
along with the team, letting Worf be in charge of the team?
 
   Also, how much of a Starfleet officer's technical backgrounds are
public knowledge?  Granted, it's a sort of information that a spy at a lower
level of command would have access to, but it would make so much more sense
if the vice-admiral was part of a conspiracy.
 
  But, of course, unless TNG decided to explore this idea further, it remains
a mere unsubstantiated suspicion... (But IMO, it would strengthen the story.)
 
  Junsok Yang
 
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From: cec35848@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Chuck Carroll)
Subject: Re: Odo in DS9 (**MINOR SPOILER**)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:32:15 GMT

cboerm48@ursa.calvin.edu (Christopher Boerma) writes:

>>Minor spoiler ahead:


>	
>    1) If he's only imitating human form (humanoid isn't his natural
>       shape I'm told) why isn't he more human looking??
> 
I believe the official explanation is that he's not very good at it--
hasn't quite mastered the shapeshifting.  That's why his face is
rather nondescript.  (The duffel bag was kind of plain-looking, too.)

>    2) Just a question really, Is he a member of StarFleet? Or just the
>       local law enforcment of the Space Station? And if he's not in 
>       SF, who pays his wages?

Well, he was wearing a Bajoran-type uniform, so I imagine he works for
them.

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From: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Am I the only one
Date: 12 Jan 93 05:57:42 GMT
Reply-To: dave@cs.arizona.edu (Dave Schaumann)
Organization: University of Arizona

That doesn't give a rat's @$$ about O'Brien's rank, or lake thereof?

GIVE IT A REST!

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From: cmackin@bu.edu (Carl Mackin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Date: 8 Jan 93 13:18:48 GMT
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

The episode's name was Code of Honor.
But, yes you are correct.

Lt. Cmdr. Mackin
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From: jonesek@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Erik Reid Jones)
Subject: Re: Best Episode?
Followup-To: rec.arts.startrek.current 
Organization: University of Cincinnati
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 16:24:54 GMT

In article <C0HpuF.8up@cmptrc.lonestar.org> brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan6.143637.29934@newssun.med.miami.edu> dbrown@newssun.med.miami.edu (Daniel Brown) writes:
>>>Pandora's Box.  What is in your opinion the best eposiode of TNG?  I realize
>>
>The Inner Light
>Yesterday's Enterprise
>Measure of a Man
>Remember Me
>Darmok
>
>These are top-5 and pretty interchangable. All 10s for me.
>
I love you!  You're the first one I've seen besides myself who
places "Remember Me" in their top 10!  My favorite list
is below, with all being interchangable but for the top one:

Yesterday's Enterprise
Measure of a Man
Remember Me
Best of Both Worlds
Darmok
The Quality of Life
The Inner Light
Chain of Command, Pt. 2
Deja Q

All perfect 10's for me.

Erik Jones
From: barrett@aminet.uucp (Keith Barrett)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: TROI GIF
Date: 8 Jan 93 04:25:03 GMT
Reply-To: barrett%aminet@nuconvex.com
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In article <14673.128.uupcb@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, chris.burgess@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Chris Burgess) writes:
>Recently, I posted a message saying that I had a GIF of what appeared to
>be Marina Sirtis, topless. Well, I do, and will be sending it out across
>this newsgroup probably within the next couple of days

Please DON'T.

1. It is VERY old news, and most of us have probably already seen it.

2. The movie is R rated and can easily be rented with greater resolution

3. Some of us pay for our news feed and do not appreciate pictures
   being posted to non-picture newsgroups.

4. It's a bit silly. You've basically are excited about something that I
   remember being talked about more than a year ago.

5. This is star trek CURRENT, and this is NOT current news. Take it
   elsewhere.

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From: vrenjak@sun1.interlan.com (Milan Vrenjak)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: Question:  Where is Keiko?
Date: 6 Jan 93 21:43:14 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Racal-Datacom, Sunrise, Florida

In article <1993Jan5.153002.13397@bsu-ucs>, 00rdharringt@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu (Rob Harrington) writes:
|> In article <1993Jan5.162212.14216@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu>, juodvalk@quanta.eng.ohio-state.edu (Vincent V. Juodvalkis) writes:
|> > 
|> > Does anyone know what happened to Keiko?
|> > 
|> > I am fairly sure that I have seen all the TNG episodes this year,
|> > but I cannot recollect any reason for O'Brien to be leaving the
|> > Enterprise without Keiko.  Did they split up or something?
|> > 
|> > I missed the very beginning of DS9 last night, so I am hoping that
|> > it was covered there.  Any info would be greatly appreciated.
|> 
|> O'Brien mentioned that Keiko was unhappy with the state of their quarters
|> when he escorted Sisco to his.  I assume she's there too...
|> 
I though O'Brien made a reference to Keiko visiting her mother (in-law?)
in the mean time.

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From: detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David De Trolio)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: Re: People who like Kira
Date: 13 Jan 93 04:46:45 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

cblaise@moose.uvm.edu (Chris Blaise) writes:

>From article <1993Jan12.155236.21575@netcom.com>, by harp@netcom.com (Gregory O. Harp):
>> tiverson@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thor Iverson) writes:

>>>Of course, as I found Kira the most compelling character on the screen,
>>>as well as the most fully realized, I must admit to a certain bias in
>>>favor of her character.

She holds my attention and is one of the more forceful characters to
ever be in a Star Trek project.  I think there will be much friction
and interaction between Sisko and Kira.  She strikes me very much as
one of these types who do not understand the chain of command at all.

>> Given how much I liked Michelle Forbes as Ensign Ro, I had high
>> expectations, and apparently you and I are two of the few that liked
>> Nana Visitor's performance.

I like MIchelle Forbes as an actress, and on occasion her character as
Ensign Ro on the Enterprise was okay.  I think her character would have
fit into DS9 great, but Forbes for some reason is not interested in either
series.  But there is no problem with Nana Visitor as Major Kira, there is
a lot which can be done with her character.  Down the road, maybe next season,
I would like to know about her background, her history in the resistance,
and to see like on Bajor.

>	Hear hear!  I'm sorry, but IMHO, her character practically makes
>the show for me.  Excellent character and portrayal in both episodes so far.

I think she was even stronger in episode two.


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From: jem@cup.hp.com (Jim McCauley)
Subject: Re: The fate of Trill hosts
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 23:30:36 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard
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 (U15289@uicvm.uic.edu) wrote:

: *What happens to these people's own personalities once the Trillcreatures
:  are implanted?

Riker survived (just barely) a Trill implantation in a ST:TNG episode
a while back.  His persona, such as it is, was apparently unaffected.

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From: brad@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Brad Barton)
Subject: Re: Dax in previous lives?
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:40:50 GMT
Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX

In article <1993Jan6.174144@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:
>In article <1ifjclINNg02@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, msiegall@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU (MARC SIEGALL) writes:
>|> Where else have we seen the actress who plays Dax?  She looks very
>|> familiar to me and my friends, but we can't place her.  Thanks!
>
> If you're talking about Terry Farrell, she was in
>
>       Back to School
>       Beverly Hills Madam  (TV)
>       The Deliberate Stranger (TV)
>       Hellrasier III: Hell on Earth
>       "Paper Dolls"

She also won a nation-wide Brooke Shields look-a-like contest about 7 or 8
years ago and then went on to be a model.

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From: zg03+@andrew.cmu.edu (Zafrir E. Gan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek.current
Subject: DS9 possible error (Spoilers)
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:43:40 GMT
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	<86221@ut-emx.uucp>
Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA


   As we saw in the first few minutes the ship gets destroyed.  Clearly
that ship was going into battle with the Borg.  Why would a ship go into
battle with non-combatants such as the women and children.  When I say
women and children I mean non-personel.  Other than this I give the show
two tumbs up.

IRON MIKE
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Subject: Re: DS9's new doctor and Checov
From: cstone@husc8.harvard.edu (christopher stone)
Date: 6 Jan 93 20:31:12 EST
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <16B4ED587.YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> YANJUNA@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>   Maybe one of these days, I'll actually write down my full impressions
>on DS9:1, but...
> 
>MINOR SPOILERS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    When I saw the new doctor (Bashir?), I don't know exactly why (perhaps
>because both were young and overenthusiastic) but I kept thinking
>Checov....
> 
>   I can just imagine Bashir now...
>   "What a beautiful place; almost as nice as Mecca."
>   "Asprin?  It was invented by a little old merchant in Persia."
> 
> 
>    Junsok Yang

Bashir (if I am right, haven't seen DS9 yet) is an Arab.  Persians are
NOT Arabs.  This is in a large part what the Iran-Iraq War was about.
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Subject: Re: best episode?
From: johns@trident.datasys.swri.edu (Stephen Johns)
Date: 11 Jan 93 22:02:12 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Southwest Research Institute

In article <199310.3208.19509@dosgate> "paul manson" <paul.manson@canrem.com> writes:
>I can't figure out private mail routing hence a public vote.
>
>3.  Elementary Dear Data

I would agree with this if they would have killed off Dr. Pulaski during the
episode!

Maybe the old pendulum thing with Picard not getting there in time or
something.  Or maybe Moriarity(sp) causing a minor transporter accident
while figuring out the power called "Arch". :)

-- 
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From: frank@fnbc.com (Frank Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Why aren't there any black aliens?
Organization: First National Bank Of Chicago, Chicago IL, USA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 23:08:15 GMT

In article <93007.45689.L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>  
L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
> ... Klingons have minor
> shading and ridge differences but are predominantly the same color.

Ummmm ... take a *good* look at Worf ...

There are no *white* Klingons, actually.  They're copper-colored, pale brown,  
or dark brown (aka "black").  Some racial variation, at least.

P.S. Another thread commented on ridged-forehead Trill (TNG) vs.  
spotted-hairline Trill (DS9).  Maybe it's *not* a continuity error ...

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From: cs_d613@ceres (The Magpie)
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Subject: Re: Shuttle Craft Warp??
Date: 8 Jan 93 12:56:35 GMT
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klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) writes:
: In article <1993Jan5.085908> TH Anderson <kait@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> writes:
: >> In Relics Scotty gets a shuttle craft to wander in.  
: >> Does it have warp abilities,
: >> or is it going to take him forever and a year to get anywhere?
: >In all likelihood its one of the crafts that is capable of warp 2, however, in
: >the next gen tech manual, most of those shuttles can maintain warp 2 for no
: >more than 48 hours...
: 
: Yes, but Scotty **wrote** most of those tech. manuals,
: so he knows what they're **really** capable of!


I thought the Next Gen Tech Manual was written by Rick Sternabch & Mike Okuda
:-)


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From: cwikla@morrison.wri.com (John Cwikla)
Subject: trills
Summary: Sentient trills...
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 06:37:56 GMT

  So have we decided whether the trills are sentient?  Or is
more along the lines of the creatures in E.R. Burroughs
chronicals of Mars that were the spindly-legged heads, that would attach
onto the headless bodies -- and the headless bodies were pretty much like cattle???
(I can't remember what they're called, I haven't read the books in years.)
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