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From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp)
Subject: RE: AMIGA TECHNO
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:47:39 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-09-93 14:43
Quoted From: jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski) 
> 
> -> You know, we can do that on IBMs too.  We aren't all that musically
> -> inept.
> 
> Yea I know you can...but you have to buy a $200 sound card, a 486 CPU, a
> midi interface etc etc which finally ads up to mega big bucks...even
> with your 20 voice on Crap Blaster Pro it is not even close to amiga's
> sound...
> 

I think you should examine the subject a little better.  I don't 
really want to get into this on alt.rave, but you can create MODs on a 
286/12 if you really want, and they'll sound good.  My sound card 
(which is 8 bit stereo) cost me $160Cdn, and I use it with a 386/33. 
You don't need any midi stuff to create 8-channel or 4-channel 
composition.  If you want to get into sound quality -- a Pro Audio 
Spectrum 16 will equal or beat most Amigas in that respect, plus with 
16.5 million colours on one of those new graphics cards, the demos are 
deffinately comparable.

> If you really think PC is better let me see one demo on the PC that is
> ever CLOSE to what was done on the amiga in 1987 [btw we had WINDOWS GUI
> since 1986 while you were still playing with DOS]....
>          

Windows has been around since 1986 (someone correct me if I'm wrong 
here -- but I had version 2 in 1989 or 88)... just not very nice, 
thats all.

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From: bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Barry Sanders)
Subject: USA is *way* behind Europe (Was: YO HO!)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 00:18:35 GMT

jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski) writes:

>Why doesnt MTV USA play any techno like its counterpart in Europe?

>mostly used in TECHNO videos, someting you'll never see in the US. Will
>U.S. always be BEHIND europe when it comes to music? created Techno,

>left it alone instead of doing what Euros are doing with it now. It is
>that god damn ROCK'N'ROLL mentallity that I cant stand. All you hear on
>MTV is rock, rock, rock, rap, rock, rock, rap, rap with all those lame
>hosts they've got. HOW ABOUT SOME TECHNO for a change. Anything will do,

Exactly my thoughts.  I'm so ready to leave the U.S., mainly because all of the
interesting, new cultural innovations seem to happen in Europe.  All we get is
the most packaged and ordinary leftovers of a once-vital art/cultural/musical
movement. (Witness: The Punk Movement in the '70s)  I read a posting on alt.rave
where some Brit was decrying the Death of Techno.  Techno is dead!?  I just
found out about it a year and a half ago!!!   Why doesn't the 'free' and 
'democratic' U.S. have Raves where 50,000 vital, young-minded people of all
races can peacefully revel in the beautiful world of physical and mental 
stimulation????  Rave culture makes the 'rebel' spirit that supposedly inhabits
the stale and cobwebbed Rock-n-Fuckin'-Roll culture look pretty worn out.  Our
American culture is stalwarted by its pre-Victorian sexual attitudes and its
complete failure at responding to the existence and use of even the mildest 
recreational drugs.  I really appreciate my freedom--I just want more of it!
Am I the only Yank who feels this way?

I can smell a thread brewing....

Barry (XLR8) Sanders
bsanders@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu
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From: rquazi@engws8.ic.sunysb.edu (Rishad Quazi)
Subject: Re: Techno
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 04:02:23 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.184315.27839@rose.com> greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp) writes:
>
>Date Entered: 01-10-93 13:39
>Quoted From: tfinn@crash.cts.com (Aaron Grier)
>> 
>>         You can almost divide up all people into different musical
>> groups. There are people who will listen to whatever's popular, and
>> there are people who listen to what THEY want to listen to. Music for
>>
>>	[deletion]
>>
>> 
>
>Techno, I feel, can evoke more of an emotional response than any 
>lyrically-based form of music.  The sounds can take one down, or bring 
>one up to a crazed dancing frame of mind.  If I listen to some of my 
>other music (stuff like 'Catherine Wheel', or 'The Stone Roses', or 
>'Revolver'), I can't get quite as much out of the song.  I think 
>possibly I'll phase this other music out eventually -- not really 
>conciously, but because I don't get as much enjoyment out of it as I 
>do rave/techno stuff, so I am listening to it less and less.  You need 
>
>	[deletion]
>

	I've noticed a similar effect on my musical tastes also. My
adolescent years were spent in the British New Wave invasion listening
to Tears for Fears, Yazoo, Eurythmics, etc. During college I listened
to classic rock and heavy metal. Since last summer (after watching
'Cool World') my tastes have taken a U-turn. Techno/rave music has
really got me hooked! I've accumulated 15 tapes and 4 CD's over the
last six months, it's the most addictive music form I've ever come
into contact with! I took out one of my Black Sabbath CD's the other
day, played it for about half a minute, and instantly felt like I'd
gained 10 years in age. A minute later I was back to Moby's debut
album ... Ahhh, much better!

>> agrier@gompers.gompers.edu (real internet addy)
>> tfinn@crash.cts.com (UUCP address)
>>
>
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BTW, who can tell me more about Phantasia (Inner Light, Violet Skies).
This band is really bugged out, and I love them.


		Peace,	

			Rishad

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From: Mike J. Brown <mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: DAYTON: Reactor Rave coming up Friday
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 03:03:36 GMT
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]

Yesssss!  An event not only comes to my neck of the woods, but a *real* one,
at that!

Forwarded message:
> From: Michael A Pisano <mpisano@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
> Here's the scoop on REACTOR Cyberave:
>
>
>                R-E-A-C-T-O-R
>                  CYBERAVE
>
>                 FRI JAN 8th
> 
> 
> vinyl vandals; thom-e tomato/ jewels/ cannibol/ kaos 3.0/ sean creature
> 
> introducing mc m.c. escher
> 
> noise factor; one giga-watt of Thundersound
> 
> 
> kaleidoscopic reveries; strobes/smoke/lasers and GOD
> 
> ravewear; erp! rave software
> liquid hum; maxwell smart drinks
> 
> 
> sponsa's; newspace/network sights and sounds
> 
> 
>                      CRUNCHIN' TILL SUNRISE
> 
>                           513-277-4144
> 
>                      ONLY FOR THE HARDCORE
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> So there it is. If you invite anyone, tell them it's going to be a deep
> underground event and if they don't plan on dancing, stay home. The people
> running the event want to get everyone serious about raving in the area
> together for a real trippin' unity an'all that E-vent.


                                                            Mike Brown
_  _ _____________________________________I think, therefore I ambient
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From: jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski) 
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: RE: YO HO!
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:25:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434
Reply-To: jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski) 

-> > >U.S. always be BEHIND europe when it comes to music?
-> >
-> > I think it does a big disservice to good, forward-thinking
-> musicians in > the US to make generalizations like this.  To pick a
-> very well-known > example, how about Moby?  He's American.  In the
-> non-techno field, how > about Dr. Nerve?  In the area of hardcore
-> techno (4/4 beat and lots of > noize), how about Lenny D?
-> >
->
-> You have to remember that most people would rather look across the
-> street, than in their own back yard.  Its was the same in Canada with
-> 'alternative' music, until a number of bands suddenly got major
-> backing.  People were constantly criticizing the scene for a lack of
-> good music, while it was there all along.  In the US techno scene, I
-> guess its a similar situation.  The sad thing is, I now hear the
-> occasional, "Moby?  Too commercial." from people around here.  How
-> hypocritical can you get?
->
-> > >All you hear on
-> > >MTV is rock, rock, rock, rap, rock, rock, rap, rap with all those
-> lame > >hosts they've got.
-> >
-> > MTV USA plays what will draw in the most number of viewers so that
-> the > advertisers will get their money's worth.  But you knew that
-> already. >
-> > Laura
-> >
->
-> It's the same with MuchMusic ... if they played a constant stream of
-> techno, they would lose most of their audience.  Speaking of which, I
-> just saw the new 808 State video (with UB40), which was really
-> excellent.  The tune is decidedly rave-inspired (you even have people
-> getting chased from a location by the police).

Yea but MOBY is more popular in Europe than here! only few months ago I
discovered he was american! all this time I thought he was
French...dunno why...

USA is BEHIND Europe in music... check this out: I walk into Sam Goody
or Tower Records, ask the clerk: Where is the Techno section? , his
answer: uhm, what is techno? is it like country music? I almost flipped
when I heard that... people dont know anything about the underground
music...I remember reading somewhere that techno/rave/trance music in UK
is like RAP in the US. Look how hard was it for rap to get out of the
underground! I hope techno breaks out and I would be more than happy to
see techno commercialized...at least we would see it on MTV!

BTW - WHO HIRED 'KENNEDY' TO BE A VJ FOR MTV?
From: tripstr@cats.ucsc.edu (Christopher Todd Courtois)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: Drugs or !Drugs
Date: 10 Jan 1993 23:28:05 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu
Summary: selective weirdness


>jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes:
>I suspect that perhaps a small fraction of the pacifier-sucking kids are
>involved with drugs, and the rest just do it cause it's "cool."  Not that
>I claim to understand the kids that think looking like a baby is way nifty
>neato, but I think the actual drug-users in this group, if any, are few.

Interesting point.  Is it really evil *not* to use drugs at a rave?  It
seems to me there are plenty of alread-warped-enough people out there
that everyone need not be Xing or frying at a rave to have fun.  Certainly
drugs can act as a "social lubricant" to help lower people's inhibitions
and make them see things in interesting ways, but isn't it really the
*mixture* of a variety of interesting people on/off a variety of
	interesting drugs that truly makes a rave unique?
From: jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski)
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: HEY!
Date: 3 Jan 93 11:09:00 GMT
Reply-To: jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski)
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434

Does anyone know if the PRODIGY/MOBY etc concert will be on the East
Coast? I read in one of the previous messages that they will be in
Colorado [I believe]...
                                                                                                
Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp)
Subject: Re: rave?
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:37:19 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-08-93 18:34
Quoted From: jondr@sco.COM (Karen Silkwood's car)
> 
> you should come to san francisco.
> 

San Francisco -- the target of 48 Hours rave expose, and home to "most 
of North America's LSD production factories", according to said TV 
program.  Looks like you have one hell of a scene there.

> 
> -- 
> Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ)                 uunet!sco!jondr   jondr@sco.com
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I was an infinitely hot and dense dot.
>

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From: cyberpun@wam.umd.edu (Digital Druid)
Subject: Re: YO HO!
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:48:25 GMT

In article <1993Jan12.223930.29229@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (electronically induced relaxation via sound [Todd Sines]) writes:
>the reason why i stated those band were because those were some of my most 
>favorite groups. for the most part i am sick of hearing moby cuts. and until 
>plus 8 brings in the rest of the ambient work they are working on, i will only 
>like a few tracks from them..
>
>
>
>sines
>-- 

  Changing the topic a bit...Does anyone notice how good anything by Moby or
for that matter The Prodigy, etc...sound?  I'm not talking if you like to dance
to it or whatever, but the production can't be beat!!!  It's some of the 
cleanest sounding techno I've heard...it compares to major release stuff.  Is
this becuase It is?
  Does anyone think they are kind of 'betraying ' the scene because they are
so commercial?  I mean I've heard records that sound like crap...
But is this what draws people?  This do-it-yourself-non-professional sound?


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cyberpun@wam.umd.edu                                          can heal us all
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From: greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp)
Subject: RE: SHIT WORTH HAVING
Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 19:47:29 GMT
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Date Entered: 01-09-93 14:43
Quoted From: jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski) 
> 
> Next Is the E is really awesome, the first song on the CD that is... the
> rest aint that good...If you really like moby get all his CD Singles
> instead of the album...I got DROP A BEAT, GO remixes and NExt is the E
> all are CD singles...really great stuff...btw MOBY AINT DOING 'E'!
> according to a interview I read in some mag few days ago, in fact he
> hasnt touched drugs in 8 yrs!

Yeah, theres a disclaimer on the inside cover of my 'Next is the E' 
EP, which basically warns against doing E, and says that he would 
never write a song glorifying the drug.  So after reading that, I 
listened to the samples, and it can be taken a few ways... I believe 
some of them say other letters of the alphabet (ie. "D.  And next is 
the E").  I'd like to know what all this is about?  What does he mean 
in his reference to E?

> 
> <stuff about comps. here>

I'd like a nice long list of recent comps if anyone can supply it...

> IF you're in US contact PLANET X in NJ, they specialize in techno/rave
> imports...also read STREET SOUND! there is alot of sources listed there
> where you can get new shit and what is hot and what aint...
> 

I'm in Toronto, Canada, but I can get all the stuff here anyway (we 
have 4 large record stores downtown, where I plan on going today, 
before the rave tonight (Phaze II)).

> JAKE MON
> 
> * Jungle Techno Rules - With Prodigy Chipmunks ! :^()
>                       
>

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From: jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski) 
Newsgroups: alt.rave
Subject: RE: SHIT WORTH HAVING
Date: 9 Jan 93 00:11:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Datamax/Satalink Connection * Ivyland, PA (215) 443-9434
Reply-To: jakub.ludwinski@satalink.com (Jakub Ludwinski) 

-> > For Prodigy FAns in the US:
-> >
-> > There are currently FOUR CDs in the US avail with PRODIGY, they
-> are: > Experience [album on CD],
-> > Out Of Space [CD Single, with extra bonus: Jericho LIVE!]
-> > Fire * Jericho [CD Single, 2 remixes of Fire and 2 of Jericho] >
-> Charly/Everybody in the Place [Cd Single, oldie but goodie!]
-> >
-> > Does anyone know the name of Altern 8's new ALBUM? I got their CD
-> Single > [which was labeled EP with only 5 or so songs "INFILTR-8
-> AMERICA"] >
->
-> I just bought the 'Out of Space' EP (6 songs, including 4 remixes of
-> _Out of Space_ -- you can't really call it a single).  Anyway, it is
-> really amazing, although I can't remember having heard it at any
-> raves I've been too (maybe I wasn't or couldn't concentrate on the
-> music). Which other stuff of theirs would you suggest, and what other
-> groups are there like them?  (I also got Moby's 'Next is the E' --
-> also very good, and also not bad for about $10Cdn (6 songs) on CD).

Next Is the E is really awesome, the first song on the CD that is... the
rest aint that good...If you really like moby get all his CD Singles
instead of the album...I got DROP A BEAT, GO remixes and NExt is the E
all are CD singles...really great stuff...btw MOBY AINT DOING 'E'!
according to a interview I read in some mag few days ago, in fact he
hasnt touched drugs in 8 yrs!

This week I picked up some older Cd like: THE BEST OF ROTTERDAM RECORDS
CD COMPILATION [only reason I bought it is to get POING!] but still
really cood compilation...THE SPIRIT OF THE UNDERGROUND VOL1 is really
great...lost of break beats, rave at its coolest...it is a 2CD
collection...

Any TECHNO TRAX CDs are highly recommended...Last one I got is #6, is
there #7 or #8 already? #6 was pretty recent since it had the LA STYLE
theme song on it which is not too old according to my friend in
Belgium...

IF you're in US contact PLANET X in NJ, they specialize in techno/rave
imports...also read STREET SOUND! there is alot of sources listed there
where you can get new shit and what is hot and what aint...

JAKE MON

* Jungle Techno Rules - With Prodigy Chipmunks ! :^()
                      
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From: rquazi@engws8.ic.sunysb.edu (Rishad Quazi)
Subject: Re: Looking for Moby FAQ
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:43:07 GMT

In article <C0MFKJ.LEz@rice.edu> mikes@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Shou-Yung Shum) writes:
>Hi, I recall seeing a collection of Info on Moby somewhere here...
>Could someone please forward a copy to me?  Thanks.
>
>There is a good article on Moby in the current L.A. Weekly (tabloid-size).
>It says his name is Richard Melville Hall, and I always thought his middle
>initial stood for Moby, but I guess he's being funny by taking Moby from
>Herman Melville's _Moby_Dick_.  Can anyone confirm this?  
>Thanks
>
>Techno-rave-music-trivia fanatic
>


I read in a recent article in 'Details' magazine (No, I don't read this
regularly, it was strictly by chance I assure you!) about techno/rave
and there was a short paragraph on Richard Melville Hall aka Moby. Among
other things it mentioned that he is a Christian vegan who is related to
Herman Melville of 'Moby Dick' fame, hence his DJ-tag.

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From: pwh@bradley.bradley.edu (Pete Hartman)
Subject: Re: rave?
Organization: Bradley University
Distribution: usa
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 16:35:42 GMT

In <1i8i2jINNgtt@retriever.cs.umbc.edu> peter@cs.umbc.edu (Pete Johansson) writes:
>greg.ipp@rose.com (greg ipp) writes:
>> the whole idea of a rave (and the basis of the subculture it is
>> spawning) is to get together with people you don't know, and meet them. 

>lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) responds:
>>And that, by itself, isn't attractive to me.  I'm not a gregarious person
>>-- crowds of strangers don't make me feel welcome, they make me feel
>>crowded.  [...] 
>I'm not sure that is a valid argument.  Or at the very least, I feel
>you are contradicting yourself.  IMHO, I cannot think of a larger
>crowd of strangers than the usenet.  And I don't see how a person who
>takes the time to post a well-written message to hundreds if not
>thousands of readers can be described as "not gregarious."

You don't seem to see a couple of important points:  You don't share
the room with the members of Usenet.  You don't have to deal with
shouldering and general physical rudeness with the members of Usenet.
Comparing Usenet to Real Life [tm] shows a serious lack of
understanding about what Lazlo is trying to say.

Personally I don't see the point in arguing about this.  Lazlo (and
many other people) don't like the idea of going to raves.  What's the
problem with that?  Personally, I like the idea, I've been to a sorta-rave
(ToonTown presents the SHAMEN), and would do more if I could, but
there you go.

One person likes one thing, another doesn't.  Why do you have to have
any kind of "valid argument" about the issue?  It's not like Lazlo is
saying you're an idiot for liking raves.  (if he has, I've missed it).
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Newsgroups: alt.rave
From: EIVERSO@cms.cc.wayne.edu
Subject: Re: YO HO!
Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI  U.S.A.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 19:04:15 GMT

mikes@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Shou-Yung Shum) writes:
 
>In article <10JAN199320013897@rosie.uh.edu> st1pk@rosie.uh.edu (DISCO BISCUIT) writes:
>>In article <1993Jan9.163641.10944@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, tsines@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (enhanced invisible life [Todd Sines]) writes...
>>>well, you are right, look in your own back yard....
>>>but where are the reinforced and movin shadow and jem and sub base record
>>>labels in america?
 
Where are the +8, Metroplex, Transmat, KMS labels in Europe?
 
>>>where is the american aphex twin? the grid? orbital? orb? etc....
>>  Where is Moby?
 
By now, everyone should know where Moby is from...
 
>>>AAAUUUHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
>you don't have to scream i believe the god of all techno joey beltram is
>from new york city
 
At the risk of sounding like someone from a hot-sauce commercial...
*NEW*YORK*CITY?*
 
Beltram is alright but the inventors of techno, Juan Atkins, Derrick May,
and Kevin Saunderson are also from the USA. the Detroit area to be
nearly exact. Lots of other good Techno music & artists come from there too.
 
Like the man said, look in your own backyard.
 
--Eric
 
eiverso@cms.cc.wayne.edu  "It's that constant beat; that 'boom, boom, boom!'
From the home of the           I get hyped, I get into it, and when the
endless MACHINE!                     breaks come . . . I scream!" :)
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From: mikes@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Shou-Yung Shum)
Subject: Looking for Moby FAQ
Organization: Rice University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 04:38:43 GMT

Hi, I recall seeing a collection of Info on Moby somewhere here...
Could someone please forward a copy to me?  Thanks.

There is a good article on Moby in the current L.A. Weekly (tabloid-size).
It says his name is Richard Melville Hall, and I always thought his middle
initial stood for Moby, but I guess he's being funny by taking Moby from
Herman Melville's _Moby_Dick_.  Can anyone confirm this?  
Thanks

Techno-rave-music-trivia fanatic