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From: usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois, USA
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 23:54:29 GMT

In article <65500079@acf3.NYU.EDU> yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , ) writes:
> usenet@news.acns.nwu.edu (Usenet on news.acns) writes:

> >Some of us may still remember the incident happened in Nanjing several years  
> >ago where a group foreign students from Africa were attacked by Chinese  
college
> >students simply because these Africa students had Chinese girl-friends and  
made
> >local people unhappy. If those African students had been white, there  
wouldn't 
> >have been such incident. I would point out that some (if not many) CSS here  
> >have racial discrimination too although they themselves might be  
discriminated 
> >against in the meantime.
> 
> Mr. Carl always uses isolated case to verify his views. The western
> contries (incluging US) even made a lot of laws against Chinese. Even
> today, minority members are beating to death for nothing. 
> I only heard of the incident mentioned above by Mr. Carl, but maybe we
> can change "because they had Chinese girl-friend" to "because they 
> prostitute Chinese girl and they show off before those Chinese". 


> Ze Yang

You are showing your self-centered attitude again, Ze Yang. We are talking  
about Han people's discrimination against Tibetans. This has nothing to do with  
the US.  Yes, there are serious racial discrimination in the US. But, attacking  
the US for discrimination will not change the fact that there are  
discrimination in China. Your point is like this:
some people say "A hit B", then you say: "no, C hit D also" What is your logic?

Again, you prefer blindly denying the fact you don't like. In you logic, any  
Chinese girls who go out with blacks are probably prostitutes. Mr. Ze Yang, you  
are bravely showing you serious racial discrimination. I would point out that  
people who attacked those African students are people like you. People like you  
will probably think Han girls who marry Tibetans as prostitutes too. Thank you  
for supporting my point in this way.


Carl
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.asian.american
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: "Banana"'s sexuality and social status
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:02:02 GMT

Male "banana"'s ass is valued high by white gay men. The reason for that are 
two folds. One is that male "banana"s normal receives arrogant, if not hostile
, attitude from Whites. When a White man makes an sexual advance, in a
pledging mode. The male "banana" will be so moved by the sudden "friendliness"
from White man. Even though the male "banana" does not have any interests of
being stuffed in ass, he is more than willing to submit himself, for the
pleasure of being wanted by a whiteman. second is that, even thogh the
hostility toward "banana" on surface, deep in whitemen heart, there is "fear",
mythical feeling, "respect" toward "banana", because the "banana" from a
culture that dwarfs all others, the need to share a piece of that culture
through body contact compell them to move. The above two apply to Female 
"banana" in the relationship with white men too. To back up my claim, I like 
to give two examples:
San Francisco is a "banana" most concetrated place in U.S., by no accident
 the city is gayman capital in U.S. too. People bacome "banana" for the sake of 
 gold, that is why San Francisco is called Old Gold Mountain(Jiu2 Jin1 San1)
 in the "banana"'s known language, but lost their asses, that is why I call
 San Francisco Old Ass Mountain(Jiu2 Gan1 San1). 
Another story is that about Nixion visit "banana"'s fatherland. Just before
 he took on journey, his staff member arranged him with a "banana" young femal.
 The rational behind the act is that Mao's people kicked Nixon's people's asses
 in Korea, Vietname, to get even with so many "bananas" asses lost in U.S.. 
 In order to say to himself that I got one of you too when met Mao, and have
 enough confidence to stand straight without too much leg-shakng, He closely, 
 carefully "examed" the femal "banana", in and out. Made her giggle, cry,
 be exhsausted, be satistified, etc on the White Hours bed the night.

Just a piece of reality for "bananas" or "bananas_about_to_be", joy? sad? 
what ever.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: alfred@bambi.tmc.edu (Alfred Wu)
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Organization: Mississippi State Univ.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 20:34:30 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.184452.5808@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> hl2a@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Haiyan  Liu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug19.172012.58274@cc.usu.edu> ma@cc.usu.edu writes:
>>not much difference between staying in China longer and shorter than 90 days.
>>(BTW, I just came back from China, and stayed about 40 days, well within the
>>90 day limit). But there is a big difference between being and not being 
>>covered by the bill. Nobody wants to be treated differently (maybe unfairly).
>>I have this (maybe stupid) question. Is it possible now to ask the Congress
>>to remove the number "90" ?
>
>Is it possible to ask the Congress to remove the date 1990 also and change into
>all Chinese nationals in US or in China or else where in the world included in 
>the bill since China is not a safe country to stay and anyone who can sneak
>away from CHina, the congressmen would send some boats or planes to pick them
>up or they would be persecuted.

Why don't you ask US Congress to issue some kinds of protection bill 
to all the people in China (may be in the world)?
From: ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Questions about "Shen Tong (grabbed)"
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:12:06 GMT
Organization: AT&T

In article <1992Sep4.144225.388@athena.mit.edu> zhuh@athena.mit.edu (Hui Zhu) writes:
>In article <1992Sep4.130058.23723@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, ykhsu@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (yung-kao.hsu) writes:
>|> 
>|> 	Sure, some organizations will put pressure on CCP to
>|> 	release him; but putting yourself in his position, there
>|> 	are still great uncerntainties and how many people will
>|> 	take that risk? At least not me.
>
>Haha, I am really confused by you guys.  I am wondering whether you guys
>really know it or not, or simply pretend to be stupid(zhuang1 hu2 tu).

	I am only me; there is no "you guys".

>You mean this ST guy is not "protected"?  Then what's the hell US congress men
>or many other "foreign devils" shouted loudly after his detention and
>...
>Fortunately,  this is not in those old days, US navy soilders can rape Chinese
>student and NOT guilty!  

	I am impressed with your overwhelming nationism tone.
	May you cntinue to appreciate and enjoy your government with
	this emotion because that is the best your beloved government
	has to offer to comfort the people who suffer her ruling.

Yung-Kao Hsu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Response to kind and "kind" words to my "Banana's... 
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 22:51:52 GMT


  I have been praised  as:
  1. Loser?
     Nah, according to normal standards. don't want to get too
	personal.
  2. Lack of mate?
     Nah, I am itchy, scratchy, and well scratched too. Help not wanted.
  3. second Lu Gang?
     Nah, Lu Gang shall be nobody's herio, but he is at least not shameless.
  4. need to see Pyschiatrist?
     Nah, I am one myself. You need a Pyschiatrist and more to be able to 
     observe what I observed.
  5. Reveng?
     to what? No need. I do like to share my view with my fellow Chinese, 
     because there are too many misconceptions, myths flying around.
  6. Amazing?
     not intended to.
  7. Radiculous, pathetic.
     No at all!
Focus on  the issue, not the person, dear. I could be a noble man, or a crook. 
that should not affect the arguments I presented.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: ping@bnlux1.bnl.gov (Shiping Zhang)
Subject: Re: Top 10 most fashionable words in SCC
Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1992 14:32:44 GMT

In article <1992Aug26.164213.28643@news.acns.nwu.edu> zdlin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (ZhongDong Lin) writes:
>
>  Top ten most fashionable words:
       ^^^
  How should one count?

>  10.  you jerk
>   9.  you idiot
>   8.  you hypercrotic
>   7.  dogshit
>   6.  bullshit
>   5.  what-so-ever shit
>   4.  ass
>   3.  asshole
>   2.  f**k
>   
>
>   And now the NO.1 fashionable word in the group of SCC:
>  
>   you communist running dog!  

   Which of these FOUR words is the NO.1 fashionable word?

   You? Communist? Running? Dog?  :-)

-ping

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yangze@acf3.NYU.EDU (Ze Yang, , , )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Economical Statistics about Taiwan, S. Korea, China
Date: 4 Sep 92 20:02:00 GMT
Organization: New York University

ghe@nyx.cs.du.edu (George He) writes:

>Bullsh*t comments from a mainlander refusing to recognize China's poorness?!

>I guess acknowledging one's own weakness and try to catch up 
>is a better attitude.

Does taiwan deserve too much pride on the economic development?
The USA feeded them up.

Ze Yang
Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:23979 talk.politics.china:757
From: ericlaw@vax.muskingum.edu (Eric Law, Geology Department)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,talk.politics.china
Subject: Re: The Chinese Dream for That Small Little Thing: A Vote.
Date: 26 Aug 92 17:26:04 GMT
Organization: Muskingum College

In article <1992Aug22.004523.8822@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi) writes:
> In article <BtCHKA.6C3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xlli@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (xiao-lin li) writes:
>>
>>Throughout my life and throughout the lives of my parents and
>>ancestors, we have never experienced that small little thing
>>called "vote" in China, a small little thing that has been
>>used to by Americans.
> There were elections before 1949!( Kuo Da Dan Biao were elected).

	** Believe it or not: election "procedures" were used
	   all the time in Chinese history.

	   As long as there are more then three people, there
	   is election. "Vote" is just a format, not the procedure.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: jjs@iedv7.acd.com ( James J. Song       )
Subject: Re: A New Fa-Guo-Nan-Cai Theory :-)  Re: A real story
Organization: Applied Computing Devices, Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:07:09 GMT

In article <BtJtzz.9os@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> xiong@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Bo Xiong) writes:
>I admire your courage to admit this, however it would be great tragedy
>if the nowaday's overseas Chinese Students and Scholars follow the
>pace of their upper/older generations overseas Chinese: they didn't
>like KMT/CCP, and they left China for good, when they settle down abroad,
>therefore had NO FEAR about KMT/CCP, they go back to kiss KMT/CCP --
>in the guise of loving China, loving her more only when they are abroad,
>and enjoying their "superior Chinese status" but NENER go back to live 
>under KMT/CCP (they know what they will be if they go back to live there :-)
>

And you probably forget mentioning another fact: the better relationship 
you have with officials of a dictatorial government, the easier you can do
business in that country and the more profit you can make. So why not love
KMT/CCP?
___
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.japan,soc.history
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: US Open-door policy (was: An open letter to the Emperor Akihito of Japa
Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 19:18:03 GMT

In article <92Aug31.152904edt.115@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>In article <1992Aug31.153246.11092@acuson.com> miklg@acuson.com (Michael Goldman ) writes:

>>>You forgot the most important factor:logistics. What is the distance between
>>>the US and China and Japan and China. I am sure the U.S. was even
>>>stronger after WWII and what happened to the U.S. in Korea and Vietnam.
>>
>>	BUt if Great Britain, France and Germany could carve out parts
>>	of China, as remote as they were, then certainly the US, with
>>	its base in the Philippines could have as well. 
>>
>But they came in too late, they can't do it during the civil war,
>after that, the Brits, the frogs, and the Bears already had China
>on the plates, rather then fight for special interest in China
>either against Chinese or another major power(s),  the American just
>wanted a cut in everything, in another words, fair trade.  
>Alsom let me remind you, the US didn't get the Philippines until
>1898, which was rather late.  

Not so late, really. Japan got her first concessions from China in ~1895. In
1897, Germany took for herself some of the territory Japan thought of as 
hers. After that, Japan was able to force the Russians out of large parts of
the area. I agree that probably the US wanted fair trade (or at least what
passed for it at the time). Had they wanted territory, they in all likelihood
could have siezed it.

Mike
-- 
Disclaimer - I'm only doing what the little voices tell me to do. 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Mao
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: soc.culture.China.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 01:38:08 GMT

In article <1992Aug27.233509.833@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dh5m@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Donghai  Huangfu) writes:
>
>Hi, Man,
>
>What I worried is not the above comparison but what you deleted, i.t., Mao to 
>China vs Japanese emperor to Japan. I thought someone would argue about that.
>Thank you for your attention anyway.
>BTW, are you a Chinese?
People will love to make fun of outstanding man easy to serousness involved 
when thinking about him/her.


Xref: sparky soc.culture.china:24395 soc.culture.taiwan:12661 soc.culture.hongkong:10305
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china,soc.culture.taiwan,soc.culture.hongkong
From: liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu)
Subject: Re: Hello from news reader in China
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
Date: 31 Aug 92 21:22:00 GMT

In article <1992Aug31.204919.29642@leland.Stanford.EDU> claudius@leland.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:
>In article <92Aug31.144101edt.56@orasis.vis.toronto.edu> liuyh@vis.toronto.edu (Yuanhui Liu) writes:
>
>>not quite.  There are invasions, and they do settle down, for example,
>>look at Sichuan & Qinghai provinces, they all have a lot of mix races
>>living together, Tibetan, Han, Hui, MOngols, and quite a few smaller
>>nationalities.  
>
>How big is the Tibetian population in Sichuan?  I will not concede, in the
A quite big one, in the western part of the province, A lot of Armed
Police in Tibet are acturally Sichuan Tibetans. 

>Quinhai case, that it's a migration into "China," since China had never
>actually had the control of Quinhai until the Chin Dynasty (yes, *that*
>dynasty again :-)) took it from (yes, you guessed it) the Dzungarian
>Khanate.  Before Dzungaria had it, it was a collection of loosely independent
>Mongolian and Tibetian tribes.

You can't say that Qing conquered everyone, qing basically inherited
everything from Ming, plus the Mongolian territories under the
Manchu-Mongol alliance, and Ming got everything from the Mongolians.  
Qinghai like its neighboring provinces, is predominately Hui(muslim), 
only because there are a bunch of different tribes doesn't mean
that they were not under the Dynasties rule all along.  

Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: cshi@cs.ulowell.edu (Chunde Shi)
Subject: Re: Protection bill
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 23:59:40 GMT

In article <26AUG199218513820@phobos.ucc.umass.edu> s9874194@phobos.ucc.umass.edu (s9874194) writes:
>In article <1992Aug26.192902.19339@tamsun.tamu.edu>, cailm@cs.tamu.edu (Liming Cai) writes...
>> 
>>Why do you need to be protected?
>>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
>> 
>Very very good question !! Why do you need to be protected? What are you?
>Endangered speices? All of you who are looking for the "protection", if you
>can not stand on your own feet without somebody else's "protection", you
>doom to fail.
Every individual has his/her own interests, which may not alway in accord with
nation's interests. To servive in this World, a group of people has to fight
together for the benifit of the group. Human Kind can be divided in to many
group, one of them is called Chinese. Being born Chinese, no matter what you
do, try to fit in the Westen World, they will treat you like a Chinese, well
or
bad, depends on alot of factors, one of them is the status of China in the
world. For Chinese to servive and thrivive in this World, individual members
of Chinese must be willing to scrifice individiual interests for the good the
whole Chinese group, when circumstance call for it. It is like bees, each 
individual bee is willing to give up its life, relase the stinger to the 
invador, the whold bee group is better serviver specis than other group. 
Otherwise, when people became extreamly selfish, the group is not going to be
as competitive as those that are not, the group and the individual the group
will not prevail. Ofcourse CSS should not go back to China, simply to
increase the literacy rate of China or scientists, engineer population among
gerneral populatoin. China need Chinese around all over the world too, to
promote good relationship with local people, to keep an eye on the local, the
globe egg is not much big. 
But worst of all kinds, in order to get better living, treatment from U.S.,
defame China in front of the world, is not acceptable morally, not acceptable
to those individuals involved.
China has suffered from all kinds of tragedies, please do not add another
one!!!!


Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
From: yl2@cec2.wustl.edu (Yu-fung Liu)
Subject: Re: What About Tibet? (Re: What about China done to Korea)
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:51:01 GMT

In article <JING.92Aug27230911@hobart.cs.umass.edu> jing@hobart.cs.umass.edu (Yufeng Jing) writes:
>OR not from China. But I think that the theory of people deciding everything
>finally just is a theory and it never hold in our reality. Who should decide
>something? It's a issue of political science that no one solve or explain it
>well. 

Have all of you understand yet? Not even people in the US decided everything!
If you only think about politics in term of people (quantity), the US which
only have a small population will loose all his right in the UN. He will
not be a important country in a "People"'s democractic system.
From: wlin@byron.u.washington.edu (Wei Lin ~{AVgb~})
Subject: [Info] Table of Contents, HXWZ #75
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 04:57:10 GMT

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Organization: Penn State University
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 22:51:31 EDT
From: <XXX100@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re:What Would Lu Xun Say?

>From: rsanders@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (RRobert M Sanders)
>Subject: What Would Lu Xun Say?
>Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 19:40:25 GMT


>I have a hypothetical question to end the summer vacation on.  Suppose Lu Xun,
>one of the few truly Zhong1guo2-tong1 people of this century, and one of even

      What do you mean by Zhong1guo2-tong1 here?  Seems like a japanese
      who knows China well.

>fewer people to articulate it so well in print, were alive today, how do you
>think he would react to the greencard and Han/Tibet threads?

>Robert Sanders

          Lu Xun already answered that kind of questions many times:
          Mei1 Jiou4 Le.

          X Xu
From: psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: Shen Tong (grabbed)
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:09:43 GMT
Article-I.D.: sei.1992Sep2.170943.17110
Organization: Software Engineering Institute


>02-Sep-92 11:31 dhsy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu	Shen Tong is "grabbed"

>But what more interests me is the word "grabbed", not arrest.  The Chinese
								^^^^^^^^^^^
>also don't usually use "arrest" (di4-bu3), when someone is taken away by the
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>police, they are said to be "grabbed" (bei4-zhua1-qi3-lai2-liao3).  :-)
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^		      		

>Of course you know the implication is that China is a lawless country,
>no arrests, only "grabs".

Of course the implication of your post is that you are culturally paranoid.
How do you know someone wasn't simply making a reasonable translation into
English.  Everyone knows China is a *very lawful* country, that's the problem.
From: xzh@eddy.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Xiang Zhou)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: SCC: A network Chinatown
Date: 28 Aug 1992 15:49:06 GMT
Organization: Brown University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: eddy.cfm.brown.edu

          SCC is a little muddy pond,
          Everyone jumps up and down;
          Fighting in this network Chinatown,
          Your pleasure knows no bounds.