HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: blanchard@nsslc.gcn.uoknor.edu (David O. Blanchard)
Subject: Re: wet California correlated with solar geophysical activity
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: National Severe Storms Laboratory
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:40:00 GMT


+In article <1993Jan22.172028.150@ncar.ucar.edu> 
+ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) writes:
+
+Correlation != causation.
+
+In article <1993Jan25.203535.5296@ists.ists.ca>
+bsugars@nereid.sal.ists.ca (Benjamin Sugars) writes:
+
+Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't any two events that are periodic
+show some kind of unusually high correlation, no matter how unrelated
+they may be?
+
+In article <1993Jan26.225236.19841@husc3.harvard.edu>, 
+dnolan@husc10.harvard.edu (David Nolan) writes...
+
+Only if they have the same oscillation period.  But I think Ilana
+was joking anyway...

Maybe it was not obvious, but the "!=" operator translates as "NOT EQUAL".
What Ilana said was correlation does not equal causation.

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From: eapg137@orion.oac.uci.edu (Bryan Joseph Hannegan)
Subject: Re: another EL NINO ?
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 24 Jan 93 03:30:13 GMT

In article <C1B97C.1oL@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster) writes:
>
>I imagine it is a cold El Nino event, a La Nina, that is starting.  You
>could walk down the hall and ask Bryan Hannegan in the Geosciences Dept.
>about this, I'm sure he'd know.

The latest ENSO Diagnostic Advisory from NMC on 1/12 stated:

"The combination of long-lived positive SST anomalies, normal progression
 of the annual cycle and a strong intraseasonal oscillation has resulted in
 the strengthening of ENSO-like conditions in December 1992."

 In other words, this is a continuation of the previous ENSO of 91-92, a 
flare-up if you will.... The massive rains that we had here this month are
of the magnitude of the rains experienced in the winter of '83... during 
the 82-83 ENSO event, a warm event of some magnitude.   

 Keep in mind: I only know what I read. Many other ENSO experts may know more.

>Oh, and by the way, Bryan... don't you DARE try to chase those tornadoes
>in California.  We don't want your dubious BUST tendency to migrate east.
>
>:)

Mr. Foster... may I remind you that it was I, and not anyone from OU who landed
the first tornado sighting of the new year... and I think finding one in a 
suburban area such as this is an achievement compared to you folks who can just
sit in a LARGE field and watch them cavort on by for hundreds of miles....

You guys have it EASY in the midwest. I didn't even try, it was too EASY!
(SO THERE! TAKE THAT YOU OKIES!)

:-) **2  (that's squared, Marc, I know that calculus has been tough on you!)


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From: lau@hardy.u.washington.edu (Alexis Kai-Hon Lau)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Looking for Dr. David A. Robinson of Rutgers
Date: 22 Jan 1993 20:56:05 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu

I would like to reach Dr. David A. Robinson of Rutgers
University.  Any information: email or regular postal 
address, or telephone number, or department, etc., are
appreciated.  Thanks.

I am interested to learn more about his work related to
his recent article "Recent Trends in Northern Hemisphere
Snow Cover" in the 4th Global Change Studies Symposium.

Please reply by email : lau@jisao.atmos.washington.edu

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From: bath@dw3f.ess.harris.com (Kenneth Bath)
Subject: SAO question
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:32:45 GMT
Reply-To: bath@dw3f.ess.harris.com (Kenneth Bath)
Organization: Harris GISD

The following is an example of an AUTO8 SA.

WWA SA 1700 AUTO8 224/6/5/1303/-/0024 2037=

Does anyone know what the "0024" field is following the altimeter setting?  Can
anyone confirm that "2037" is the appp group?

Ken Bath
bath@dw3f.harris.com
From: kucharsk@solbourne.com (William Kucharski)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: Trailer Park Humor (Was: Tornadoes around the world)
Date: 25 Jan 1993 12:22:31 -0700
Organization: Solbourne Computer, Inc., Longmont, CO
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: anthrax.solbourne.com

While reading article <24JAN199316285820@nsslc.gcn.uoknor.edu>, I noticed that
keller@nsslc.gcn.uoknor.edu  said the following:
 >You've all missed the point.  These "bogus" trailers ought to
 >be fully instrumented so as to collect data on the atmospheric
 >variables in the immediate vicinity of a strong to violent
 >tornado.  I am the national head of just such a project (not!).
 >If you wish to contribute to this project, send me money! :^)

Yes!  I always thought rather than being a large canister, "TOTO" should have
been designed as a "double-wide." :-)
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From: cgilbert@igc.apc.org (Claire Gilbert)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Rivers in the sky?
Date: 23 Jan 93 03:30:00 GMT
Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1466900288:000:2037
Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cgilbert    Jan 22 19:30:00 1993


                       Rivers in the sky?

     AP carried a story today (_Times_ [San Mateo]) which says that
scientists say there are half a dozen streams of vapor flowing
through the LOWER atmosphere, carrying huge quantities of water
toward the polar regions.
     It quotes R. Newell of MIT who says "'It's a lot of water for
the atmosphere to moving in a concentrated stream.'"  One "'river'"
moves southeast from Brazil with about 6 million cubic feet of
water every second.
     The rivers are up to "4,800 miles long and 480 miles wide." 
Newell discovered them while analyzing satellite date, as reported
in Geophysical Research Letters_.

***  Scientists were surprised as the prevailing believe is that
such moisture was spread rather smoothly through the atmosphere,
according to the article.  ***

     The newly discovered rivers move moisture as believed, from
warm equatorial regions to the cooler poles, but moving in narrow
streams rather than spreading it out over a large area is what
surprises Newell and others.
     Four months of data were analyzed.  More analysis to follow.
     Joining R. Newell in research were N.E. Newell of Arlington,
Mass., Y Zho of MIT, and C. Scott of NASA Goddard Space Flight
Center in Greenbelt, Md.


Articles carried in _Blazing Tattles_ described "ribbons" of aerosols
or particulate matter being transported without diffusing or spreading
evenly throughout the atmosphere, and was heavily critized for not
averaging out the particulate matter throughout the earth's entire
atmosphere in order to determine concentration.

Therefore, I find the above interesting.  CWG
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From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: >>>source for weather charts???
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:02:03 GMT
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.

any ideas?? (besides noaa???)..that are on internet???

thanks
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From: kjun@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Pat Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Re: Rivers in the sky?
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 05:23:02 GMT
Organization: Colorado State University -- Atmos Sci

We saw it the article about "Rivers in the air," too, in the local
paper. I'll have to refrain comment until I see the actual journal
article ( Geophysical Research Letters hasn't arrived here yet).
I have seen many instances
where a journalist has misinterpreted a meteorology subject,
or just plain got the facts wrong.  The journal will also give a 
more rigorous description of this subject. Personally, I'm a bit skeptical,
but who knows........

Anyway, what I'm really wondering is if anyone knows how the AP picks
their "weather stories." After all, most articles claim some kind
of *new* discovery in journals (or they wouldn't be accepted).
Does the writer plug it to a journalist? Is there a head science
investigator at AP? Doesn't AP also scout through other major
papers?

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From: denise4@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (suerth denise perry)
Subject: tornado videotape
Summary: Need tornado videotapes for tornado seminar in March
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:42:24 GMT

Dear tornado chasers,
From: dnolan@husc10.harvard.edu (David Nolan)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: Hot humid/dry and Cold humid/dry?
Date: 25 Jan 93 02:53:17 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan24.215318.19761
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1993Jan23.095958.1@unca.edu> strauss@unca.edu writes:
>
>His "Law 89" states: "The temperature often feels warmer or colder than the
>thermometer indicates."  He believed that BELOW ABOUT 50 [deg] F, dry air feels
>warmer, but above 50F, humid air feels warmer.
>
>This is very interesting!  On what physics is this based?  I can see something
>with either body temperature (~98F) or skin temperature (~60-80?), but I would
>like to see this contention based upon physical laws, if possible.  If warm
>humid is "hotter: than warm dry, and cold humid is "colder" than cold dry, then
>there MUST be a point (temperature) at which there is no difference between dry
>and humid effects. If that is true, then on what laws is it based?
>
>Bob Strauss
>strauss@uncavx.unca.edu

Warm, humid air "feels" warmer because, due to the high humidity, our
sweat evaporates slower, decreasing the rate at which our body can
shed heat.  As the law suggestes, to me, damp cold air feels colder than
dry cold air.  Since below 65 degrees or so, our exposed skin is no
longer sweating, this can't have much to do with it.  Why then does
damp cold air feel cooler?

I've thought a lot about this question myself, and I believe the reason
is that, well below 100% humidity, air carries tiny droplets of water.
Remember that water has a very high heat capacity.  In cold, damp air,
we are being constantly bombarded with tiny droplets of cold water.
Thus the air "feels" colder.  

Dave Nolan
dsn@io.harvard.edu
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: gwv@eastrg2.cray.com (George Vandenberghe)
Subject: Re: Hot humid/dry and Cold humid/dry?
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 25 Jan 93 09:45:50 CST

     I too feel  warmer  in cold humid weather than in
cold dry  weather especially at night..   Here is what I
think is going on..

     On a cold humid night, there is likely to be a lot
of infared radiation from the water vapor aloft
and objects on the surface will probably
be close to radiative equilibrium i.e outgoing
infared radiation will be balanced by incoming.
With human skin,  there will still be a  net loss
because it is warmer than the ambient temperature
but the loss won't be as great..   On a cold
DRY night,   the radiative tempetature of
the sky is a lot colder and heat loss
from any surface  exposed to the skyy
will be greater..
     During the day,  humidity is negatively
correlated with  sunshine intensity.    
On cold dry days, the sun hits nearby
objects which radiate and you feel
mor infared flux from  the surrounding
objects. hence  people feel warmer on
cold dry DAYS..

     On the other hand there is more
convection on dry days, hence more
mixing  and more surface wind which
makes people feel colder.   In
my mind I compensate more for wind
and visible light flux  than I do for infared
radiation flux when guessing how warm
the air  really is when I stick my nose
out in it.
From: mperlman@nyx.cs.du.edu (Marshal "Airborne" Perlman)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: Trailer Park Humor (Was: Tornadoes around the world)
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:03:04 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.

It is true, that tornados are attraced to trailers and malls....i read it
in SpaceWeek...
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Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster)
Subject: Re: another EL NINO ?
Originator: usenet@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 14:21:09 GMT
Organization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK


I imagine it is a cold El Nino event, a La Nina, that is starting.  You
could walk down the hall and ask Bryan Hannegan is the Geosciences Dept.
about this, I'm sure he'd know.

Oh, and by the way, Bryan... don't you DARE try to chase those tornadoes
in California.  We don't want your dubious BUST tendency to migrate east.

:)

Marc 
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Subject: wet California correlated with solar geophysical activity
Organization: Unocal Corporation
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 16:35:18 GMT


I've commented several times about this apparent correlation during the six year CA drought
and predicted wet years were ahead.  The recent solar cycle peaked in mid-1991 at an unusally
high level, ditto the drought.  The first winter after the peak has had almost normal percipitation,
the second above normal.  There was a solar cycle maximum and drought 1976-78 in CA too.
Solar geophysical activity is reported in sci.space.news.
Based on this hypothesis, normal to above normal percipitation is predicted for CA for the next
four or five years until the cycle bottoms out.
Weather correlations in CA do not necessarily apply to other parts of the country or world.
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: marcia@rap.ucar.edu (Marcia Politovich)
Subject: Re: Trailer Park Humor (Was: Tornadoes around the world)
Organization: NCAR, Research Application Program
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 15:46:33 GMT

In article <24JAN199316285820@nsslc.gcn.uoknor.edu> keller@nsslc.gcn.uoknor.edu  writes:
>
>>In article <1992Dec18.202619.29890@ncar.ucar.edu> ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) writes:
>>>In article <1992Dec18.170955.17961@serval.net.wsu.edu>, jeffp@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke) writes:
>>>> A friend from Africa said there were no tornadoes there.  Is North America
>>>> the only continent where tornadoes ocurr?  If so, why?
>>>
>> various comments, which the humor-impaired will likely take seriously..
>
>>>Finally, let us not overlook the importance of trailer parks, which
>>>serve as "tornadic magnets."  There are far more trailer parks in the
>>>US than anywhere else, and these trailer parks are crucial to the
>>>formation of tornadoes, as observational evidence indicates that 
>>>tornadoes nearly always occur in their vicinity.
>>>
>> I have always thought that as a weather modification project,
>> for tornado dissipation, they (who??) ought to drop trailers
>> out of the back of some large cargo plane, like a C5a. This 
>> would immediately attract any tornadoes in the area, give them 
>> something to chew on (literally), and voila, the problem is
>> solved. 
>
>You've all missed the point.  These "bogus" trailers ought to
>be fully instrumented so as to collect data on the atmospheric
>variables in the immediate vicinity of a strong to violent
>tornado.  I am the national head of just such a project (not!).
>If you wish to contribute to this project, send me money! :^)
>
>  -- Nah, forget my name --
>

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT - wrong

By instrumenting the trailers you bias the experiment. 
"You can't fool Mother Nature". She'll know these 
aren't *real* trailers and will ignore them. 

(I left in all the above stuff since this is a 
 fairly old thread....) 


Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
From: rhca80@melton.sps.mot.com (Henry Melton)
Subject: removing the map from the weather gifs
Organization: SPS
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:09:28 GMT

I have been meaning to post this for some time, it has been working
nicely at my location for about a month to provide a weather photo
backdrop to my screen without that irritating political map.  giftoppm
and ppmtogif are from the pbmplus utilities of course.


#!/bin/sh
# This is a shell archive (produced by shar 3.49)
# To extract the files from this archive, save it to a file, remove
# everything above the "!/bin/sh" line above, and type "sh file_name".
#
# made 01/26/1993 22:09 UTC by ???@melton
# Source directory /y
#
# existing files will NOT be overwritten unless -c is specified
#
# This shar contains:
# length  mode       name
# ------ ---------- ------------------------------------------
#     55 -rwxr-xr-x remove_map
#    258 -rw-r--r-- nomap.c
#
# ============= remove_map ==============
if test -f 'remove_map' -a X"$1" != X"-c"; then
	echo 'x - skipping remove_map (File already exists)'
else
echo 'x - extracting remove_map (Text)'
sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > 'remove_map' &&
#!/bin/sh
giftoppm CVIS.GIF |nomap|ppmtogif > NVIS.GIF
SHAR_EOF
chmod 0755 remove_map ||
echo 'restore of remove_map failed'
Wc_c="`wc -c < 'remove_map'`"
test 55 -eq "$Wc_c" ||
	echo 'remove_map: original size 55, current size' "$Wc_c"
fi
# ============= nomap.c ==============
if test -f 'nomap.c' -a X"$1" != X"-c"; then
	echo 'x - skipping nomap.c (File already exists)'
else
echo 'x - extracting nomap.c (Text)'
sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > 'nomap.c' &&
#include <stdio.h>
X
main()
{
X	FILE *fp,*fopen();
X
X	filecopy(stdin);
}
X	
filecopy(fp)
FILE *fp;
{
X        int     c;
X	int	good;
X
X        while ((c = getc(fp)) != EOF)
X	{
X		if (c < 254)
X			good = c;
X		else
X			c = good;
X		
X                putc(c,stdout);
X	}
}
X
SHAR_EOF
chmod 0644 nomap.c ||
echo 'restore of nomap.c failed'
Wc_c="`wc -c < 'nomap.c'`"
test 258 -eq "$Wc_c" ||
	echo 'nomap.c: original size 258, current size' "$Wc_c"
fi
exit 0
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From: dnolan@husc10.harvard.edu (David Nolan)
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Re: wet California correlated with solar geophysical activity
Date: 27 Jan 93 03:52:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: husc3.1993Jan26.225236.19841
Organization: Harvard University Science Center

In article <1993Jan25.203535.5296@ists.ists.ca> bsugars@nereid.sal.ists.ca (Benjamin Sugars) writes:
>In article <1993Jan22.172028.150@ncar.ucar.edu> ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) writes:
>>On the other hand, my father gives a talk in which he shows these great
>>graphs correlating solar activity with a) storks nesting in chimneys
>>in Sweden, and b) the number of papers published by Sidney Chapman.
>>Correlation != causation.
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't any two events that are periodic
>show some kind of unusually high correlation, no matter how unrelated
>they may be?
>
>Later,
>-Ben
>

Only if they have the same oscillation period.  But I think Ilana
was joking anyway...

Dave
Newsgroups: sci.geo.meteorology
Subject: Hot humid/dry and Cold humid/dry?
From: strauss@unca.edu
Date: 23 Jan 93 09:59:58 -0500
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville

Here's a question that might interest some of you. I have had rather heated (no
pun intended) discussions about it from time to time.

A warm, humid day feels "hotter" i.e., less comfortable, than a warm dry day.
Personally, I believe that a cold, humid day is "warmer" than a cold dry day,
but others might disagree. I think cloud cover and wind, often associated with
the humidity, can make it feel cooler, but all thing being equal, a cold muggy
day is more comfortable--to me.

This is discussed by Stephen Sargent Visher in his 1924 book (recently reissued
by AMS): Climatic Laws ....

His "Law 89" states: "The temperature often feels warmer or colder than the
thermometer indicates."  He believed that BELOW ABOUT 50 [deg] F, dry air feels
warmer, but above 50F, humid air feels warmer.

This is very interesting!  On what physics is this based?  I can see something
with either body temperature (~98F) or skin temperature (~60-80?), but I would
like to see this contention based upon physical laws, if possible.  If warm
humid is "hotter: than warm dry, and cold humid is "colder" than cold dry, then
there MUST be a point (temperature) at which there is no difference between dry
and humid effects. If that is true, then on what laws is it based?

Any answers would be appreciated. I prefer messages sent directly to me (at
least in duplicate), since I miss lots of usenet (our VAX is small and gets
frequently purged).
Thanks,

Bob Strauss
Ramsey Library
UNC-Asheville
strauss@uncavx.unca.edu

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From: bsugars@nereid.sal.ists.ca (Benjamin Sugars)
Subject: Re: wet California correlated with solar geophysical activity
Organization: Space Astrophysics Laboratory, ISTS, Toronto, Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 20:35:35 GMT

In article <1993Jan22.172028.150@ncar.ucar.edu> ilana@kiowa.scd.ucar.edu (Ilana Stern) writes:
>On the other hand, my father gives a talk in which he shows these great
>graphs correlating solar activity with a) storks nesting in chimneys
>in Sweden, and b) the number of papers published by Sidney Chapman.
>Correlation != causation.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't any two events that are periodic
show some kind of unusually high correlation, no matter how unrelated
they may be?

Later,
-Ben

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