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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: UNI WINS AGAIN:  Should be #1!!!
From: hou024@marshall.wvnet.edu
Date: 10 Dec 92 20:29:24 -0500
Organization: Marshall University

In article <1992Dec6.001741.9190@iscsvax.uni.edu>, pighetti2194@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:
> UNI Wins!!!!
> 
> They play Youngstown State here next Saturday in the I-AA semifinals!!!!
> 
> The Citadel and Northeastern Louisiana both lost, so that means UNI is #1
> once again!!!!!!!!
> 
> PIG
> 
You can make all the arguments you want.  The only one that counts is the
final scoreboard on Dec. 19th.

By the way, don't forget that to win the title you have to come through
Huntington....and the HERD!!!

If you make it past the Penguins, we'll see you in the final.

LET'S GO HERD!!!
From: hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu (Harry Bloomberg)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Johnny Majors back at Pitt
Date: 11 Dec 92 20:35:31 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh

In article <1992Dec11.195634.3778@ods.com> richard@ods.com (Richard Thompson) writes:
>Harry Bloomberg (hpb@hpb.cis.pitt.edu) wrote:
>:    To paraphrase Yogi Berra, this is just like deja vu all over again.
>: I'm back at Pitt (I was a trombone player in the band in 1976), Johnny's
>
>I was just wondering, does Tony's son get to play much?    
>
   He played quite a bit.  He started out the season on special teams
and I think he moved up to second string safety.  He's a real hard
hitter.

Harry Bloomberg
hpb@vms.cis.pitt.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kdelgado@loligo.cc.fsu.edu (Kevin Delgado)
Subject: Re: FSU and Miami
Organization: Florida State University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 92 22:16:09 GMT

In article <1992Dec15.132857.8162@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
>	{stuff deleted}
>>
>>ok, let's take that to a little more extreme...
>>
>>I believe that the last time the Steelers went to the Superbowl, they
>>only had 2 losses, both to Cincinnatti.  Cincinnati only had 2 wins..
>>So whats the point?  Cincinnati PROVED without a doubt that Pittsburgh
>>could be beaten. 
>>
>>No one has proven that Miami can be beaten...  Some have come close,
>>but they haven't gotten the job done in the end.
>
>ANY team can be beaten on a given day; ask Nebraska.
>
>>
>>I would look more at the trends...
>>Miami has taken --hmmm what is it?-- 4 out of the last 5.  Tell me,
>>which team is better?
>
>College teams are not the same from year to year.  You can't judge whether
>Miami is better than FSU this year based on past wins!  Cripes!
>
>>
>>I might be persuaded to feel that FSU is the better team, if they had
>>like taken the last 2 or 3 from Miami and then lost this year.  You
>>can't beat everyone all the time...  But in this case..  no..
>>
>>In fact, I feel that Nebraska is going to line up rather well with
>>FSU.  They have an entire month to teach their DE's to pursue up the
>>field, not inward and their LB's to stay at home to pin Ward in the
>>pocket.  
>
>Where are they going to find the passing attack to practice against?  The
>Big Eight is starting to show a little more imagination on offense (what
>with Oklahoma trying to learn to be a passing team), but Nebraska just hasn't
>faced the balanced offense that FSU can throw at them.  I'll say this, if
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Huh? Which FSU team have you been watching Dave? FSU is _NOT_ a balanced
offense (no run-and-shoot team really is). FSU throws, throws, and throws
some more. IF none of the recievers is open, _THEN_ Charlie runs the ball
(or throws an INT, he's good at that too). FSU's rushing yards this year
are very decieving. Most of it comes late in the game when FSU has already
pretty much won, and Bobby calls nothing but running plays so the score
doesn't get run up (try not to laugh too hard folx).

>Nebraska can stay with FSU or get an early lead, then they can stay with
>their game plan and possibly win.  BUT, if they get behind early and have
>to try to pass to catch up, watch out!
>
>>
>>you heard it hear first...
>>Nebraska 38
>>FSU      35
>
>You might be right, but just in case, I think I'll still watch the game! :-)
>GO NOLES!!
>
>>
>>:-)
>>
>>cmuck
>>
>>ps - stats are a by-product of the game, not an accurate predictor of
>>     who is better.
>
>
>
>

Kevin

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: paul@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Greg Paul)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 05:19:18 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.142739@trc.amoco.com> zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael E. Dupree) writes:
>
>In article <14DEC199213533166@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov>, acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>> I'm compiling a list of Bowls-that-Were-but-Ain't-no-More, and I need some 
>> net.assistance.  I need to find a total of 13 with their locations, and so  
>> far I have five and only one location, as follows:
>> 
>> Bowl			Location
>> ----			--------
>> California Raisin	Fresno CA
>> Bluebonnet		??
>> Tangerine 		??
>> Garden State
>> Cherry
>> 
>> Please post any additions you can come up with.
>> 
>> R Dendy
>> 
>
>The Bluebonnet Bowl was in Houston, Texas.
Cherry Bowl was in Pontiac, Detroit (Silverdome), only lasted 2 years.


   The game I've been wondering about for a while is the Salad Bowl.
Anyone know anything about it?  The extent of my knowledge is a sign
in Sun Devil stadium stating ASU played there in I believe 1950.
   


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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu (David Swanger)
Subject: Auburn's new head coach is............
Reply-To: swanger@accs.duc.auburn.edu
Organization: Auburn University
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:19:56 GMT

I just heard on the radio that Samford Head Coach Terry Bowden has just
been hired to be the next Auburn Head Football Coach.

Barring that this isn't some cruel hoax, here are my initial feelings:

- This is the best we could get?
- Now we'll NEVER get rid of Tommy Bowden (our offense took a nosedive
  when he arrived.  Coincidence?)
- Might as well give the next n games to Bama now (n = num years he's here)
- NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Of course, twelve years ago I was strongly against Auburn hiring Pat Dye,
so what the heck do I know.................

David Swanger
Auburn University, AL

(man, I bet Jackie, Gene and Steve (and Guy and Jim) are laughing there
***es off now)

(Ok, ok, I've got a really bad attitude about this, maybe he'll be
good.  No, really, he'll be great.  I'm serious, he'll be awesome,
he'll.... oh crap)
From: gws6860@tamsun.tamu.edu (Gary Wayne 'Goober' Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: Oranges in a Bowl of Fruits
Date: 19 Dec 1992 21:26:46 -0600
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX
NNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu

In article <1992Dec18.110909@trc.amoco.com> zmed0b@trc.amoco.com (Michael) writes:
>Your observation about FSU is not unique at all.  Schools with a
>history of successful football teams typically exhibit these traits.
>I'm sure you would find those characteristics at Notre Dame, Nebraska,
>Miami and Alabama,too.  I sure see them here in Oklahoma.  It is part
>of the game.

Why in Oklahoma?  
Okie State doesn't have all that great of a football program.

- goober (is there any other school there?) smith


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn)
Subject: Schedule of Activities: I-AA Championship Week
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 03:12:17 GMT

Schedule of planned activities for I-AA Championship Week in Huntington, WV:

Wednesday:

-Teleconference between two coaching staffs.

Thursday:

-Youngstown St. arrives in Huntington, WV.
-Closed practice for both teams at Marshall Stadium
-Ohio River cruise on the sternwheeler "West Virginia Belle;" both teams 
  attending; public can attend by purchasing tickets.

Friday:

-Open practice for both teams at Marshall Stadium.
-Pep rally/bonfire, near Huntington Civic Center.
-"A Taste of Huntington" exhibit by Huntington area restaurants, Huntington
     Civic Center.
-Pam Tillis in concert, 7 PM, Huntington Civic Center.

Saturday:

-I-AA National Championship Game, Youngstown St. vs. Marshall, 12:00 Noon (CBS)

PDunn
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: Defunct Bowl Games
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 12:51:26 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division


In article 9136@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:
>In article <14DEC199213533166@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov> acdendy@lims01.lerc.nasa.go
>v (ROGER DENDY) writes:
>>I'm compiling a list of Bowls-that-Were-but-Ain't-no-More, and I need some
>>net.assistance.  I need to find a total of 13 with their locations, and so
>>far I have five and only one location, as follows:
>>
>>Bowl               Location
>>----               --------
>>California Raisin  Fresno CA
>>Bluebonnet         ??
>>Tangerine          ??
>>Garden State
>>Cherry
>
>Lest we forget, the All American Bowl was played until a couple of years ago.
>
>Also, there was the famous "Cigar Bowl," probably played in Havanna.
>
>PDunn


FSU played Indiana in the All American Bowl in 1987 (in Birmingham).  Also, FSU
played in the Cigar Bowl way back, not sure when.  But I think it was held in
Tampa, Florida (probably sponsored by the Hav-a-Tampa cigar co.!)

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu (Glenn Tanner)
Subject: Re: Places to party in Dallas??
Keywords: Cotton Bowl
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 19:34:03 GMT

The perfect evening of entertainment for Aggie fans...      :)

	DALLAS (UPI) -- Rapper Ice-T's band Body Count, whose song ``Cop
Killer'' triggered a controversy in Dallas that spread throughout the
nation last summer, tops the bill for the New Year's Eve show at a
Dallas club.
	A spokesman for 462 Inc., the show's promoter, said Friday that Ice-T
would not appear with the band.
	Body Count tops a four-band show dubbed ``Slamfest'' planned for New
Year's Eve at Deep Ellum Live, a popular Dallas club.
	Last summer, the DPA led a protest against Ice-T and called for a
boycott of Time-Warner, the parent company of the Warner Brothers record
label that carries Body Count. ``Cop Killer'' discusses killing police
officers.
	Two Pennsylvania concerts were cancelled earlier this month because
local police refused to provide security at the shows, but the Dallas
engagement will be guarded by private security firms and no such
problems are anticipated.


Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kollur@jec330.its.rpi.edu (Ramana Kolluri)
Subject: Re: FSU and Miami
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 16:17:40 GMT

In article <1992Dec14.142303.24384@mlb.semi.harris.com> dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com writes:
>In article 813AAH@andrew.cmu.edu, William Karamo Motley <wm1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> () writes:
>>Some people like to say that FSU is better than Miami, although Miami
>>beat FSU.  Others say that FSU is in no way, shape or form better than
>>Miami because Miami beat them.  In my opinion, I would think that FSU is
>>the best team in the country, but that's beside the point.  Let's take a
>>look at the NFL for a quick minute.  Would one say that the New York
>>Jets are better than the Buffalo Bills simply because the Jets happened
>>to beat the Bills?  Probably not.  Would one say that the Dallas Cowboys
>>are better because they walked all over the Washington Redskins in the
>>beginning of the season?  Washington won in a rematch today.  My point
>>is that using the argument that Miami is better because they won the
>>game is kind of weak.  Both teams have improved since then, so it's not
>>really fair to say one team is better than the other at this juncture in
>>time.  If someone is going to claim that Miami is better, back it up
>>with some stats and stuff.
>>
>>-Will
>
>Along the same lines, if you judge who is best between two teams based on
>one game on one day, then clearly Iowa State must be better than Nebraska.
>If Miami is better than FSU for beating them, then anyone who claims this
>to be true is also saying by the same argument that Iowa State is better
>than Nebraska.  Sounds like we need a few straight jackets out there!

Well, I couldn't agree with you more. The only obvious solution is for each
team to play every other team 10 times. A record of 6-4 or better would
mean that you won the series. In case of a 5-5 tie the teams continue
playing games till one team has 2 victories more than its opponent. After
each div I A team has played all other Div 1 A teams in this fashion we
should have a clear winner. In case of a tie in the overall records, the
tied teams could play each other again in a series of 10 or more games.

IMHO it's silly for teams to play just one game and then have a winner
declared. Even the NFL has it all wrong. The Super Bowl should be awarded
to the winner of a series of say 25 games between the NFC and AFC champs.
 
Next week: How to improve the college basketball picture!

Ramana
Roll Tide!
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: kieran@world.std.com (Aaron L Dickey)
Subject: Re: Seats to I-AA Championship game reportedly sold out
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 03:48:13 GMT

pdunn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Patrick L Dunn) writes:

>I assume that SRO tickets will be available.  If anybody wants any, call
>1-800-THE-HERD.

Forget it; they're being sold starting at 7:30 am Saturday morning at the
Marshall box office ONLY.  People have been lined up there since Thursday
afternoon.

Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: garbe@smith.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe)
Subject: Super Conferences
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 92 15:37:52 GMT
Reply-To: garbe@smith.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe)
Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada

With the success of the SEC title game I think AD's and Admins at schools
across the country will more than willing to expand to 12 to increase revenue.
Here is my prediction of the outcome.

		Pac-12 
	North		South

	Washington	Southern Cal
	Wash State		UCLA
	Oregon		Arizona
	Oregon State	Arizona State
	Colorado		Stanford
	BYU		Cal

This is actually IMHO a quite balanced league for both football and basketball.  It would
all the "Pac-12" to be the most prominant showcase in both the Pacific and Mountain time
zones.  Geographically this also makes much more sense than adding UT and TAMU.

		SWC
	North		South

	Kansas		Texas
	Kansas State	TAMU
	Oklahoma		Rice
	OK State		Houston
	SMU		Texas Tech
	Baylor		TCU

I am not all that familiar with SWC, so excuse me if I have flubbed up the N-S boundaries.
However, I think this addtion would enhance the league in basketball  and help in football
if the 4 former Big-8 schools continue on with their success (KU & KSU) or return to their
previous winning ways (OU & OSU).

		Big-10		(they don't know how to count past 10)
	East		West 	

	Penn State		Nebraska
	Michigan		Iowa
	MI State		Minnesota
	Ohio State		Wisconsin
	Purdue		Illnois
	Indiana		Northwestern

There could be some real good matchups in this conference, ie Penn State-Nebraska, which
traditionally have not played much before.  Also I think there is a potential big rivialry 
between Iowa & Nebraska if they played in the same league.

		ACC
	North		South

	Maryland		Florida State
	Virginia		Clemson
	Duke		NC State
	Wake Forest	North Carolina
	Memphis St	Georgia Tech
	Louisville		East Carolina

With my proposed breakup of the Big-8, which is not a knock on the conference,  the ACC
champ would now get the automatic bid to the Orange Bowl.  Thus the five super-conference
champs would all be  playing in the big-4 Bowls and perhaps an opportunity for a one game
championship to be played in mid-Jan.

These are just my thoughts, flames, comments, rude remarks are welcome.

Greg Garbe
garbe@phys.ucalgary.ca
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: tech@cs.ucf.edu (Tony Travaglini)
Subject: Re: Heisman
Organization: University of Central Florida, Orlando
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 17:11:22 GMT

In article <1992Dec16.072802.8398@leland.Stanford.EDU> gsroka@leland.Stanford.EDU (Gregory Sroka) writes:
>
>Just one question (well maybe more ...)
>Does anyone on the net know what happened to the good old
>Tangerine Bowl? It just doesn't seem to be listed in the papers
>anywhere!

The old T-bowl is now the Citrus bowl. They changed the name years ago
for some reason I can't remember.

Tony (Just say 'Noles) Travaglini
tech@cs.ucf.edu
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: crow@waterloo.austin.ibm.com (David L. Crow)
Subject: Re: Let's boycott the Cotton Bowl!!!
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 22:14:48 GMT
Distribution: na
Reply-To: crow@austin.ibm.com
Organization: IBM AWS Graphics Systems

zcjm0f@wwnv67.hou.amoco.com (CJohn Mace) writes:

>Yes, and they were both formed in 1872 if my memory is correct, and the
>Agricultural and Mechanical branch was opened in 1876, the Medical Branch
>opened 1878 (if memory still serves), that makes the Agricultural and
>Mechanical branch older.  :-P  :-)

    My point was that it may have opened it's doors first, but it was part
  of The University at the time.

>when did tu-Austin open (serious question, I have no idea, other than it
>   has to be at least 100 because this is the 100th football season for
>   them)

    First classes were held in September 1883.
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: Frank Bilotti <frank@wanda.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: Heisman
X-Xxmessage-Id: <A7514B827702700D@rambo.princeton.edu>
Originator: news@nimaster
X-Xxdate: Sun, 13 Dec 92 20:20:18 GMT
Organization: Geology Dept, Princeton Univ
X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 01:18:34 GMT

In article <1992Dec13.194452.28673@u.washington.edu> Glenn Tanner,
tannerg@carson.u.washington.edu writes:
>>Mmmmm.... so Miami's Gino Toretta is this season's Heisman winner.
>>
>>Is Toretta the best player in college football this year? Is he the
best QB
>>in college football this year.
>>
>>IMHO, No and No!
>>
>>I believe that there are several QB's better than Toretta (e.g. Shane
>>Matthews (sp?), SMU's Freiburger, the qb's at Syracuse, Stanford, etc., 
>>Ward at FSU, Grbac at Michigan, etc., etc.)

This statement has so many holes in it I hardly know where to begin.

>I would have to agree with you 100% and I commend you on your choice of
>better
>QB's.  The true measure of a great QB is how he helps his team win. 
>Florida
>and SMU won BECAUSE of Matthews and Freiburger.  Miami won IN SPITE >of
Gino

	In case you didn't notice, these teams lost their big games, so I guess
Florida lost to FSU because of Matthews?  Freiburger led his team to a
losing season?

	If it is true that the measure of a QB is how he helps his team win, did
Tim Brown deserve the Heisman?  Everyone has their own criteria for who
gets the Heisman, and it would seem that Gino met the criteria that
counted.

I think I'll go out on a limb here:
	If Steve Walsh would have stayed for his senior season, I think he would
have won the Heisman, and Gino wouldn't have gotten it this year because
the anti-UM universe wouldn't stand for it.

FRANK

__________________________________________
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com (David Head)
Subject: Re: RECRUITING: Alabama????
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 20:28:11 GMT
Reply-To: dhead@comanche.ess.harris.com
Organization: Harris Corporation, Government Aerospace Systems Division

>>>Kit Carpenter          LB            NC State
>>>Brad Collins           DL            NC State
>>>Nate DeLong            PK            Michigan
>>>Greg Spires            LB            Florida State
>>>Duce Staleley          DB            S. Carolina
>>>
>>>
>No Alabama recruits?? I was under the impression that Bama was doing
>well with recruiting under Stallings. Anyone out there have any info
>on how the tide's doing in signing new prospects. I notice that
>they do not seem to have as many out of state players on their roster
>as they used to. The team's doing great right now but I really wish
>they could attract some good players on offense. It's been a long time
>since we had a really good QB.
>Ramana
>
>P.S I can't believe I am complaining about a 12-0 team!!! :-)
>

Don't you mean a 12-1 team? ;-)

Go Noles; let's husk corn!

D. Head



Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
From: peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler)
Subject: Re: Super Conferences
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:26:39 GMT

In article <1992Dec18.074957@mccall.com> scott@mccall.com (Scott D. Davis) writes:
>
>In article <92Dec17.153752.18524@acs.ucalgary.ca>, garbe@smith.phys.ucalgary.ca (Greg Garbe) writes:
>>
>>		Big-10		(they don't know how to count past 10)

	Yes they do.  Look at the "new" logo closely... ;-)

>>	East		West 	
>>
>>	Penn State		Nebraska
>
>You forgot about IowaSt and Missouri from the Big8.  The Big10
>would probably love to get Mizzou since there is a rival with
>them and Ill.  The SWC and Big8 would probably want to keep ISU
>for the sake of exposure to the state of Iowa.

	The Big Ten has this nose-in-the-air thing.  Missouri and
	Nebraska might be "Big Ten material", but I don't know about
	Iowa State.  I'm sure Iowa would try to blackball that... ;-)

	I'd say from an all-sports and academic perspective, Nebraska
	would be the most attractive.  Now, whether they'd want to
	give up their Big 8 football supremecy (ha!) and their rivalry
	with OU, who knows...
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From: Ray_Hines@dream.uucp (Ray Hines)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: A&M plays ND?????????????
Date: 11 Dec 92 17:17:43 GMT
Organization: DreamStates BBS & CyberNet HQ in G'ville, FL   1-904-331-4317

In a message dated Fri 11 Dec 92 11:31, Aggie@wealthy.ocean.fsu.edu (i R A 
wrote:

> Ah yes I see now oh wise and learned master goober. But master, where do
we
> go if we missbehave? :)

 ARA> In your case, UofF.

Not!  UF's very strict about misbehaving.  He should go to either Miami,
Alabama (they let a twice convicted drunk driver go back to play football),
or Washington.

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From: hjjcl@usho77.hou281.chevron.com (J.J.Clyde)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.football.college
Subject: Re: How many undisputed heisman trophy winners can you come up with?
Keywords: tiguzz
Date: 17 Dec 92 14:21:38 GMT
Organization: .

(John Leinaweaver) writes:
>>The obvious choice:
>>
>>   The Rocket   1990
>>
>>Larry
>
>Don MacPherson 1987
>
>John L

Bert Jones 1972

J.J.