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From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating FAQ (was Re: Montel Williams Show)
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 15:05:58 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.011005.3100@ichips.intel.com> sedayao@chopin.intel.com writes:
>
>I find tanning to be a really strange idea.  Destroying one's skin for the 
>sake of color!  You would think that those with lots of naturally occurring
>melanin would be idealized!  My mother always gardens in long sleeve shirts.  
>She would always warn me to stay out of the sun because I would "get too dark."

  My mom doesn't wear hats or carry umbrellas, like her relatives do,
  and she has dark leathery skin (from working in the garden in Southern
  California).  Her milky white friends would chide her, especially since
  the insides of her wrinkles are pale, from squinting.  She also doesn't
  color her hair either.  I think some people just accept themselves
  the way they are better.  Others want what they don't have.  Fortunately
  the George Hamilton look is out now that tans are easier to get due to
  the gaping ozone hole.
>
>>   Maybe the problem with "lighter" Asians like Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans
>>   is that they don't benefit from this phenomenon of whites going for color,
>>   because they don't have enough.  I don't see any lack of white females
>>   with Mexican, Puerto Rican and Filipino men.
>
>Maybe they are attracted to those they perceive as "latins".

  I sure am!  But they have to be darker than me.  :-)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.asean,soc.culture.korean,soc.rights.human,alt.individualism
From: rap@news (Ross Paterson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Blame that Asian!
Date: 12 Oct 92 10:49:31 GMT
Reply-To: rap@doc.ic.ac.uk
Organization: Dept. of Computing, Imperial College, University of London, UK.
NNTP-Posting-Host: peaberry.doc.ic.ac.uk

From article <Bvw4y3.Lo3@acsu.buffalo.edu>, by dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei):
> [...] even if the Germans and Russians did have contacts with
> the Huns/Mongols, why should that be an insult? Is it a disgrace to come into
> contact with two of the most successful conquerers of the ancient world?
> Why should the Huns/Mongols be viewed as barbarians while it is obvious
> that their battle strategies were much superior to that of their opponents'?

Because they really were barbarians.  The main improvements they
brought to battle strategies were in the techniques of terror, like the
Mongol practice of slaughtering all the inhabitants of a city unless it
surrendered without any resistance at all.  Just the sort of name to smear
one's enemies with in war-time propaganda.  Nowadays Nazi or Fascist or
Stalinist are more popular.  Nor are Europeans the only ones among whom
Central Asian nomads have a bad name, e.g. the various derogatory words
in modern Chinese containing "hu2", an old Chinese term for these people.

Ross
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: sgan@hounix.org (Seng Gan)
Subject: Re: Interracial Dating FAQ (was Re: Montel Williams Show)
Organization: Houston UNIX Users Group (HOUNIX), Houston, TX
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1992 05:04:10 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.230900.16949@leland.Stanford.EDU> underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) writes:
>>...
>>However, this objection is enormously over-played, simply because
>>the generally-accepted racist myth in the US is that anyone who's
>>"Oriental-looking" is a foreigner or recent immigrant who clings to
>>some mystic notion of "Oriental culture" ...
>
>What is bizzare is that there is common ground among Chinese-cu,
>rednecks, Klansmen, and Nazis.
>
>They believe that ethnicity (genetics) determines culture (behavior);
B
>for example, when they see a Japanese(-ge)-American, they expect 
>that he/she should/will do the Japanese-cu "thing".  In other words,
>they believe that it is "natural" for a Japanese-American to do the
>Japanese "thing" but that it is not "natural" for a Japanese-American
>to do otherwise.
>
>Two proponents of such bigotry are Mr. Yong Wee Dennis Lee
>(yongwee@leland.stanford.edu) and Mr. Wilbur Pan (u58402@uicvm.uic.edu).
>
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Still the same question:
What had you done that show you are better than Chinese-cu???
If you are not better than Chinese-cu, what made you qualify to 
claim that Chinese-cu = Nazis??
Seng C. Gan
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thursday, 15 Oct 1992 08:42:30 CDT
From: <U58402@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Tibet Film Series (Re: Discourse on Race in Modern China)
Distribution: na

In article <1992Oct15.001004.26244@leland.Stanford.EDU>,
underdog@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dwight Joe) says:
>
>I don't normally do a plug, but this issue deserves one.
>If you are in the Stanford area, you can attend the Tibet Film
>Series; a new film is shown at 7:30 p.m. each week at the
>Bechtel International Center.  If anyone is really interested,
>I could double check the time.

If this is the same film series that ran recently in Chicago at
that Music Box Theater, I also would recommend it. The film
series here ran all in one week. If you have a list of titles, I
can check to see if it's the same series of films.

>By the way, this issue should be important to all Asian-Americans
>since Asian-Americans are Americans and have an interest in
>opposing oppression committed against an un-armed people.  In this
>case, the Chinese are committing brutal oppression against the
>Tibetans.
>
>Interestingly, 2 or 3 posts have been submitted in the past 7 months
>(by Chinese) calling for remembering Nanjing and Tenanmon; further,
>those posts were sent to s.c.a.a. even though no effort was made to
>show how those issues tie in with the _AMERICAN_ newsgroup s.c.a.a.

Because as Americans, we have an interest in opposing oppression against
unarmed people.

Wilbur Pan                                  u58402@uicvm.uic.edu
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: jpak@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Jim Pak)
Subject: Re: AAAHHH!  Interracial dating.. again?  Why?
Reply-To: jpak@manute.sps.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Inc.  Austin, Tx.
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 19:46:03 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.215135.15070@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> ajh@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan Hu) writes:
In article <5917@ucsbcsl.ucsb.edu> 6500ursa@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Disco Junkie) writes:
>>Once I was in a roomful of asian
>>men.  They asked me if I had dated white women.  I said yes, and they went,
>>"ooohhh", like I was some kinda stud.  I got so angry that I gave them a
>>10 minute lecture on ethnic awareness and pride.  (They probably thought
>>that I was some out-of-touch leftist kook.  :-)  )

Well... I wasn't in that room when you heard that, of course, but are you sure
they meant it in a serious way?  I mean, there's a serious way to "ooohhh,"
and there's a kind-of joking way to say it, too.  Depending on how it was said,
it may not necessarily imply they *really* think you're a stud *just because*
you dated ww.

I mean, there have been times in the past where I've needled guys (don't
recall if they were Asian or not) for getting dates with women who were
considered desirable, mostly because of the way they looked.  I probably
"ooohed" or "aahhed" a few times or called them Studmeister or something
like that.  But I meant it more as a joke and a way to tease them rather
than seriously.

Is it possible that's what those other Asian guys were doing?  If I were in
that room when you said what you did, I probably would have ooohed along with
everybody else, but I would have been doing it to tease you.  (Note that I'm
just asking a question; I'm not implying you misunderstood those guys.)

Now on the other hand, if you had said something like, "I'm dating a woman
who's 5'2.5", Asian, beautiful, intelligent, funny, owns a bad-ass car that
she won't let me drive," I'd have said OOOHHHH--and meant it!  :-)

>Good for you!

Alan, you Bay-Area-out-of-touch-leftist-kook!!!  Watch some Rush Limbaugh,
become a Real Man(tm)!  :-)

>>I just wonder if that's all people on this newsgroup can talk about,
>>or if this is the only subject that will get people's attention.  I"ve
>>written about lots of other topics, and got few responses.

A lot of your other articles are good stuff about Hawai'i, but because many
of us here are mainlanders, we don't always have the background or expertise
to write replies on that subject.  But it doesn't mean we don't read your
stuff or that we don't like what you write.

>>I know this interracial dating thing is the best way to get lots of people
>>involved.

Absolutely because...

>Sex sells.

Yup.  And if you weren't already convinced, I recall that in news.lists,
alt.sex was something like the 8th most-read group in USENET, while scaa is
only 263rd.

Shame on you people!!  Shame on all of you!!

Jim(my Swaggart)

p.s. Hmm, time to check out alt.sex again...  :-)
From: awu@mipos3.intel.com (Allen Wu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Blame that Asian!
Date: 14 Oct 92 18:49:35 GMT
Organization: Intel Corporation, Santa Clara, CA

In article <98363@bu.edu> Sergei Shimkevich <shimkevi@buchmf.bu.edu> said:
>Tatars (Mongols) should be viewed as barbarians because they raped and
>pillaged Russia for three hundred years, bringing unimaginable suffering to
>its people.

Considering the pillagings committed by the Russians in their course of
conquest to build their empire, I guess the Russians should be viewed as
barbarians according to your logic.

Allen Wu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: rtang@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (The One Your Mother Warned You About!)
Subject: Re: Have no need to fear ... was Re: Freedom of Speech
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 05:36:04 GMT

In article <1992Oct7.202340.3562@memstvx1.memst.edu> ustai@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
>archive of his postings, I recommend that you take it to a philosophy teacher
>at your place of higher learning, and asked him/her what does s/he think of it. 
>Especially if s/he teaches logic.  I really want to find out if it's us who are
>inconsistent or our Dwighty boy here.

I might add psychology profs too, I bet we can have a field day
with DJ's psych profile.

TOYMWYA
From: ching@vsattui.llnl.gov (David Ching)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: the Lover
Date: 16 Oct 92 15:34:00 GMT
Distribution: soc.culture.asian.american
Organization: UC Davis Dept of Applied Science, at LLNL

In article <1992Oct15.201634.11191@athena.mit.edu> chencp@athena.mit.edu (Charles Ping Chen) writes:
>
>Does anyone have any information on this MGM movie called "THE LOVER"?
>Filmed in Vietnam, the movie is about an interracial affair between
>a french woman and a chinese diplomat.  I don't have any other information
>beyond this..
>
>charles chen


-- 
David Ching
"It's better to shut one's mouth and look dumb then open it and remove
all doubt."		-Mark Twain
I guess I've just removed all doubt ....
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From: robohen@ocf.berkeley.edu (Henry Robertson)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.japan
Subject: Re: Japan/US comparison
Date: 10 Oct 1992 19:07:30 GMT
Organization: U. C. Berkeley Open Computing Facility
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: headcrash.berkeley.edu

That the Japanese are gaining advances in high-tech markets every day doesn't
say anything about their strategic front on low-tech markets, which as far
as I'm concerned is in full retreat every day.  Japanese food products are
expensive and uncompetitive abroad, and continue to get even more so every
year.  Which is why Japanese restaurants in the US, on average decline in
quality every year.  Since Japanese students/immigrants to the US are no longer
willing to do unsophisticated work like being a waiter/waitress/cook, the
management of Japanese restaurants gets completely taken over by non-Japanese
Asians, who often do not have refined service skills.  The cost per
plate of the stuff just keeps crashing through new ceilings, while the quality
of other Asian cuisines in theUS improves every year & stays cheap.  Japanese
shipping and steel manufacturing has given considerable way to Hyundai,
such that Japanese steel mills no longer produce generic stell except for
domestic use.  Textiles are a vanished industry, today in Thailand, PRC,
India, and Pakistan.  No one buys Japanese toys today, not because they are
shoddy but because the prices would drive anyone insane.  Even in electronics,
most common goods are assembled in Malaysia or Thailand these days.  But
once ASEAN countries all develop domestic technology, I guess Japan will
have to move her factories to Latin America or Africa, causing more cultural
stress all the time.

As far as I know, nobody's worried about a Japanese invasion of the US
food and drink market.  Japanese Sake produced by California breweries have
been performing image/quality upgrades in the last few years.  Iced coffee
in cans is available in US supermarkets since about two years ago, for me
taking away yet another incentive to live in J-land.  Should I buy the
"Jamaican Ice" coffee from NYC for $.99 or UCC coffee for $2.25?

All of these trends suggest how Japan's economy is "hollowing out," away
from concrete manufacturing work to abstract type of work like research or
financing.  Is not the current worldwide recession related to the
yen-dollar parity?  

The Japan I knew 10 years ago had an authentic countryside, but these days
with all those asphalt roads, interchanges, prefab houses, etc. etc. is
beginning to look a lot like one not-so-giant New Jersey, minus the woods.

Well, gotta go. :)

Flames welcome.  From a self-appointed regular netter with past lives/
reincarnations in Japan.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: clare@nynexst.com (Clare Chu)
Subject: Re: Interesting (suprising?) Fact.
Organization: Nynex Science and Technology
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 19:46:23 GMT

In article <6R5-dsA@engin.umich.edu> Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu> writes:
>
>Now, if I was studying in a foreign country, I'd probaly be more interested in dating
>a local than people from my own country studying there.  My reason being that I'd gain
>a more complete understanding and appreciation of the local culture ( :-) :-) 8-) ). 
>It has always been my desire to study in Sicily (the truly insightful would get something
>here).  
>
>Be for real, why would someone go through all the trouble of studying in a foreign
>country , and then completely shield theselves from the culture of it?  Sounds kind of
>xenophobic to me.  If you don't want to date a local, ok.  But why are those who do
>any less able to get a date with their countrymen?  Maybe the foreign students who
>do date locals are just more sophisticated and "diversified" (oooo, that evil PC term)
>than their comrads from their homeland :-)
>

  However as an American, your reasons for going to a foreign country
  are usually to study the culture.  Many of these people come to America
  because our universities are better in many fields, not available back
  home.  So I don't think the prime motivation is to come here to
  "study the culture."  Ask any foreign student you meet if he/she
  came here to study American culture.  You'll find that only the ones
  on the one-year-English-exchange program have that in mind.  Most
  others are here to study whatever field they're majoring in.
From: dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Danielle T Wei)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Genetic question misunderstood
Date: 12 Oct 92 20:26:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: acsu.Bw0zGr.114
Organization: UB

In article <1l6-wK=@engin.umich.edu> kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu (Michael F. Kamprath) writes:
>In article <Bw0wHp.LwF@acsu.buffalo.edu> Danielle T Wei, dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu writes:
>>So what are you trying to say?? We're all equal, but some groups simply
>>"magically" do poorer than others on intelligence-based tests??
>>And even if we assume you're right, what does that prove?? We live in a world
>>in which only the results count! IMO, being lazy (not doing something) is
>>the same as being stupid (not knowing how to do something)
>
>So what are you trying to say?  Someone one whose SAT score is lower yours
>is lazy and shpould not be accepted to college?  Would you say poorer education
>is not a factor in the results of tests (and thus not a true indicator of 
>"intelligence")?  
>I contend that your basis of "results alone" dictating intelligence is false.

No, you misunderstood me.. When I said "only the results count!" I didn't
mean the results of a 3-hour test, I meant the overall productivity
Suppose you have somebody as smart as Einstein, but refuses to learn anything
(or didn't have the chance to) then he is no better than somebody who
does not have the ability to learn/perform..

>I know my SAT score was lower than it possibly could been if I had the chance
>to study calculus.  In fact, I had to drop out of physics my first term in physics
>because (although it wasn't stated) knowledge of intregrals was a requirement.
>By your standards, wouldn't that would make me stupid?  But then, four years

Stupid?? No, I did not say that.. I simply said that there is no difference
in terms of productivity among people who are stupid/lazy/had_no_chances
But in your case, you got the chance and did very well, I congratulate you
But suppose you did not get the chance, and prove yourself useless in college
then you're of no more value to the society than someone who has gotten the
chance and blew it because of his below-average intelligence

>| Michael F. Kamprath                   | The University of Michigan   |

NW
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Re: Blame that Asian!
Date: 12 Oct 1992 18:50:49 GMT
Organization: sgi
Distribution: world
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In article <Bw0rqE.BrC@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, shay@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (George Shay) writes:
>
> The allied troops were from Russia, Germany, Britain, Austry,
> and 4 other European countries which I need to go over my 
> history book to find.(Pretty sure US was not among these 8 
> countries).

Why are you pretty sure about this?

jon.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
From: Michael F. Kamprath <kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Genetic question misunderstood
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 16:02:41 EDT
Organization: University of Michigan, Aerospace Engineering
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In article <Bw0wHp.LwF@acsu.buffalo.edu> Danielle T Wei, dtwei@acsu.buffalo.edu writes:
>In article <W85-Bw+@engin.umich.edu> kamprath@space-grant.sprl.umich.edu 
>(Michael F. Kamprath) writes:
>>With out being entirely clear on what this thread original purpose was, let me
>>just say that the apparent "difference" in test scores in this nation between 
>>"racial" catagories probaly implies alot more than just straight intelligence 
>>differences.
>
>So what are you trying to say?? We're all equal, but some groups simply
>"magically" do poorer than others on intelligence-based tests??
>And even if we assume you're right, what does that prove?? We live in a world
>in which only the results count! IMO, being lazy (not doing something) is
>the same as being stupid (not knowing how to do something)
>

So what are you trying to say?  Someone one whose SAT score is lower yours
is lazy and shpould not be accepted to college?  Would you say poorer education
is not a factor in the results of tests (and thus not a true indicator of 
"intelligence")?  

I contend that your basis of "results alone" dictating intelligence is false.

For example, the highest level of math you could take in
my high school was pre-calculus (mostly because the district didn't have the
money to hire a calculus teacher, buy the books, . . .).  Because of that,
I know my SAT score was lower than it possibly could been if I had the chance
to study calculus.  In fact, I had to drop out of physics my first term in physics
because (although it wasn't stated) knowledge of intregrals was a requirement.
By your standards, wouldn't that would make me stupid?  But then, four years
later, I graduated and recieved a BSE in Aerospace Engineering from the third best
school in the nation for that subject matter with a 3.5/4.0 GPA.  Now, with out
getting into a "argument" over the "goodness" of that GPA, wouldn't this create
a contradiction with my original "stupidity" derived from me dropping out
and a lower than expected SAT score?

Q.E.D.

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From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asian.american
Subject: Re: Discourse on Race in Modern China
Date: 16 Oct 92 21:32:20 GMT
Organization: Unocal Corporation

>In article <1992Oct15.231759.4170@cs.UAlberta.CA>, mark@cs.UAlberta.CA (Mark
>Green) says:
>>
>>Any foreigner. Here's a couple of examples for you:
>>1) Black students studying at chinese universities.  There is a considerable
>>   amount of racial tension between chinese students and black students.
>>   This has even resulted in riots at several universities.  I have seen
>>   these problems several times when I have been teaching in China.

Ditto.  I have seen this at several vocational schools in Beijing.
(I was in China in 1979 and 1990.)
Many African students are not very excited about being in China, prefering
America, Europe, and the CIS in that order over China.  They have to go for
about five years.  Dating options are very limited.  If a Chinese women even
bothers to accept a date, most won't wont, then often her male relatives
will threaten to break it up.  I talked to these guys and played soccer
with them.  Very sad.

>>2) Foreigners that work in China.  Talk to any foreigner teacher at a
>>   Chinese university.  Teaching in China is a wonderful experience, well
>>   worth doing, but you will run into many forms of racial discrimination.

Also my experience.  Because I understand Chinese, it saddened me to hear
small children talk about me or other foreigners in a derogatory way.
Less inhibited than their parents they copy.

Discrimination happens in most every country of the world, so I don't bear
any grudge toward the Chinese.  But people should be aware it happens in
China too.