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From: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Reply-To: jpk@Ingres.COM (Jon Krueger)
Organization: Ingres Corporation, a subsidiary of The ASK Group, Inc.
Date: 26 Jan 93 07:44:06 GMT

Damon Feldman writes:

> Once this approach is taken, we can never go back to the old 
> chart because there will be no more purebreds.

Three ways we could go back: solve the population problem before
current breeding stock gives out; use available storage,
fertilization, and implantation technologies; or arrive at purebreds
the same way we did last time.  Yes, I know how long the third way
would take.  Therefore the second is better, the first better still.

> If you are a responsible breeder, you are obligated to breed good dogs
> to balance out the bad ones being bred by most everyone else.

Makes about as much sense as your previous claim.  Balance?  What's
being balanced? Against what?  One balance that will shift with more
"good dogs" on the planet; how many are abandoned and euthanized.

-- Jon
--
Jon Krueger  jpk@ingres.com  
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Marla Belzowski (K-9's))
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 17:31:42 GMT

In article <roop-250193094144@karen.swarthmore.edu> roop@cc.swarthmore.edu (Karen Roop) writes:
>In article <31781@nntp_server.ems.cdc.com>, nancyl@ems.cdc.com (Nancy
>Little) wrote:
>
><Stuff Deleted>
>
>If your not a reputible breeder (one with many years of proven experience)
>- SPAY AND NEUTER YOUR PET.  
>

Only one problem... To become a reputible breeder with "many years of 
proven experience" you have to either breed a lot of dogs or spend some
time studying.  The only way to get there is to eventually breed some dogs,
and yes, usually it starts out as a person getting a "pet" and
ending up "Hooked" in the world of dogdom.  

I have no gripe about encouraging people to spay/neuter pets,
but no one can force them to do so.  They best way is for all
breeders to place "pets" on spay/neuter only, no exceptions.
Then we have to get the "pet stores:" out of the picture.
I know of two people right now that have "Pet store" dogs
that are breeding them and selling pups for outragous prices
because they wouldn't take the time to find a reputatable breeder
and do it the proper way.

>There are enough unwanted pets in this world!!!! 
>

Yes, there are, but you will find that almost all those
in shelterrs come from "DIS-reputable breeders".
(Meaning, if you don't care that your puppies end up in
shelters down the line -- you are a disreputable breeder
ain my opinion.)

>Karen
>--------------------------------


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Marla Belzowski   saavik@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
Mauii Nikki Belzowski CD CGC TDI CERF
Brittish Legend of Beowulf CD CGC TDI CERF  tri-color collies
Legend's Year of Jubilee  S&W collie
From: dgraham@simon.Tymnet.COM (Deborah Graham)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Flame?
Date: 26 Jan 93 00:25:09 GMT
Reply-To: dgraham@simon.Tymnet.COM
Distribution: usa
Organization: Sun Microsystems

In article 398@newshost.lanl.gov, crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
>In article <1993Jan20.171139.27658@inel.gov> kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson) writes:
>= 
>= I'm opposed to both ear and tail cropping.  Tail cropping may not
>= be very painful, but I happen to like dog tails.  My Australian
>= Shepherd has her tail and its beautiful!
>
>That's fine.  It's your choice.  I ask only that you give *me* the
>same choice--to do or not as I see fit.  (For the record, I'm
>speaking of tail docking.  I have no interest in those breeds whose
>ears are normally cropped so I'll leave that debate for those who
>have.)
>
>
>-- 
>Best,
>
>Charlie "Older than dirt" Sorsby				"I'm the NRA!"
>	  crs@lanl.gov


Choice is the keyword here isn't it?  I have three natural eared Great Danes.  It
is very hard to convince the show group I am serious about showing because I will not
crop my dogs ears.  Many Dane breeders will not sell their puppies without cropped
ears.  To my knowledge the reasons for cropping have long disappeared for the Dane.
This breed was originally to hunt wild boar, the dogs ears would get cut and bleed,
endangering the dogs life.  

I believe cropping ears is not only imposed on the "inexperienced" buyer but for
the most part anyone who wants to show/win.  The first Champion Natural Eared American
Bred Great Dane Male only occurred recently.  We are seeing more dogs shown with
natural ears, but believe me there is an unspoken, but very effective blackballing
occurring by those breeders/fanciers who prefer to keep things as they are.  I
don't believe they are giving a choice to those of us that want to show "natural".

Danes are not required to be cropped, and there are no points subtracted for
showing a natural eared dog.  The ear set, if incorrect, shows up more in a
natural eared dog, and thus cropping the ear can in some respect hide this fault.

Deborah 


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Deborah L. Graham
UUCP: ![...apple,sun,pyramid]!oliveb!tymix!dgraham
From: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: PUPPY LOVER WANTED FOR 3 MONTHS
Date: 26 Jan 93 17:24:01 GMT
Reply-To: ELAINE_GALLEGOS@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
Comment-To: Betsy_Weatherhead@f703.n202.z1.fidonet.org
X-FSC-PATH: 202/703 701
X-FSC-PID:  RA 0.04


  Betsy, what I would do if I were you is take the dog for a walk in
you neighborhood, and ask around.  Explain that you can pay a certain
amount for three months of dog sitting.  Surely someone will take you
up on it.  In addition, you will have the advantage of knowing that
she is still in the same neighborhood and easy to stay in contact
with.
  If this plan does not work out, (it should)  you can place an ad in
the dog section of your local paper.  Explain the situation briefly,
and mention the payment.  
--- FMail 0.92
 * Origin: Hillcrest Community BBS of San Diego..619-291-0544 HST (1:202/703)
Organization: City University of New York/ University Computer Center
Date: Sunday, 24 Jan 1993 18:10:54 EST
From: <EMDJJ@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Home made dog biscuit recipe

Does anyone have a good dog biscuit recipe that they can pass on ?
Thanks in advance.
Dan Schlissel
From: stoml@ils.unc.edu (Lisa B. Stomberg)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Should dog stay where she is?
Date: 26 Jan 93 23:32:58 GMT
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology

I have a problem. In August of 1991 I bacame a graduate student in North
Carolina while my 2 year old dog stayed in New Mexico with my parents. I
could not find a house in North Carolina with a big enough yard for
Sammy, so she stayed in New Mexico. I have visited her only twice since
August of 1991. I wanted to visit her more but I had neither the time
nor the money. Sammy really likes my parents and seems really well
adjusted. Although the two times I was back, she did remember me and
she seemed to prefer to be around me when I was in New Mexico. My
parents just adore her and they have taken great care of her. This is my
problem. Once I graduate and find a job, I intend to find a place to
live that has a big enough yard for Sammy, but I do not know if it would
be fair to Sammy to remove her from her home of the past 1 1/2 to 2
years. Besides this, I do not know if it is fair to my parents. My
question is, will it be damaging to remove her from my parents home in
New Mexico (the her in that last sentence was referring to Sammy). I do
not know if it makes any difference, but Sammy is a cross between an
Australian shepherd and a german shepherd. Any response through the
newsgroup will be greatly appreciated.

Lisa 

C
S
          
Australian shepherd and a german shepherd. 
ss
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: LymeNet subscriptions
Date: 25 Jan 93 22:04:10 GMT
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From: young@alw.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: Tails'n'Ears WAS Flame?
Date: 26 Jan 1993 07:43:13 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

In article <C1Fp79.2n4A@austin.ibm.com> you write:
|> In article <9301251408.AA12940@mesa.dcrt.nih.gov> young@alw.nih.gov writes:
|> >In article <24740083@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> you write:

|> >|> >
|> >|> Well, I'm going to put in my 2 cents here also.  I agree with what Schalene
|> >|> says here.  If there is a good reason to crop tails/ears like there seems
|> >|> to be for dewclaws, then by all means they should be clipped (EARLY!).
|> >|> If the dogs will be working dogs or such, then maybe there are good reasons
|> >|> for some of this cropping.  However, if the dog is a show dog (and not 
|> >|> working) or a pet, etc. I feel it is unnecessary and shouldn't really be
|> >|> done.  This is NOT meant as flame by any means!  My main gripe is with
|> >|> the breed standards for 'pushing' people to get the cropping done by
|> >|> taking points off and such.  I believe cropped/un-cropped should be 
|> >|> judeged the same, giving the owners of 'show' dogs more an option on
|> >|> whether this is needed for practical purposes.
|> >|> 
|> >|> Just an opinion....
|> >|> Kim Krattiger
|> >|> 
|> >
|> >Make it $.04.
|> >
|> >I feel that if a dog is a show dog and a sporting breed, there is no
|> >excuse for not working the dog to exhibit some conformance to a 
|> >sporting breed standard.  I feel that, for instance, if one were to 
|> >allow intact tails in the ring for the pointing breeds, it would
|> >further separate pointing breeds into two distinct factions - those
|> >who field trial and those who show.  Therefore, I support the docking
|> >of tails in sporting breeds even if the dog is only to see the inside
|> >of a show ring. 
|> 
|> How about this for a compromise:
|> If you dock (for legitimate reasons only) you must neuter.
|> At least this way weak genes associated with the docked body part
|> will not propogate.

I think that we have a biiiiig misunderstanding here.  

The breed is used for a purpose, hunting.  Hunting requires that 
some breeds tails be docked.  Neutering every Brittany that has
a docked tail is not a useful solution.

-- 
___________	
	jy
	young@heart.dcrt.nih.gov
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 08:10:26 CST
From: Francine Cannarozzi <U58664@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Is pointing behavior innate?

I'd always thought our dog was a mix of a Great Dane and black Lab.
We adopted him at about 3 yrs old and had no information from the
previous owner.  However, when he stalks squirrels in our yard,
he takes on what I'd call a pointing position: Front left leg
bent up and held off the ground, tail straight out, rigid body.
He'll hold this position for up to 3 minutes, then slowly begin
to move toward whatever it is he sees.

I've never taught him this, where did he learn it? I'm starting
to think he is not part Lab at all, but perhaps German Shorthair
Pointer or some sort of Bloodhound.  From dog magazines
and other sources, I see similarities with these type of breeds.
By the way, he not only hunts after squirrels, but any small animal -
cat, opposum, the occasional mouse, even smaller dogs!
Any comments on this? Thanks.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: twallace@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Todd Wallace)
Subject: Re: docking
Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Va.
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:45:28 GMT

I got a lot of personal flames for my admittedly biased question
on the practice of docking dogs' ears and tails.  Let me see if
I can put it in a more objective way:

What are the justifications (historical, aesthetic, medical) for
docking?


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From: ehlerswm@hackney.ecn.purdue.edu (William Mark Ehlers)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Beagle problems
Date: 26 Jan 93 14:35:52 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network

First I'll give the history of the relationship of me and my Beagle, then I'll
describe the problem.

We bought the dog as an 8 week old puppy.  We used the crate method to
housebreak Bogey.  She chewed up a few things but nothing major (IMHO - my wife
may disagree).  I took her to obedience class for a few weeks and tried using
the methods they suggested, but she has a mind of her own.  I tried a couple
of other methods of training her to heel, sit, stay etc.  But due mainly to my
incompetence, the only real trick that Bogey knows is to sit and stay at curbs
while on a leash.  That is all right with me.  She has to be on a leash while
outside or she will bolt -- no matter what.  Anyway, during this past summer,
my daughter stayed home during the day for the first time (she's 12) instead
of going to her sitter (who lived around the corner -- the sitter was 
availiable if needed).  So the dog was able to be out her crate more than than
before.  Eventually after some trial times etc. she was able to be out of her
crate all the time when we were not at home.  In August, we had another baby,
so my wife decided to stay at home.  We only had one or two times where Bogey
got into trouble while we were not at home.  

There are actually two problems now.  The first one is the Fred Flinstone
syndrome.  Every time I get home from work Bogey turns into Dino and goes 
ballistic until I take her for her walk.

The second problem is really the big problem.  Lately, Bogey has started to 
eat my wife's books from the bookcase.  This has become such a problem that we
had to get out the crate again (she has been back in the crate for about a 
week now).  She seems to be teething due to the fact that she is chewing on her
chew toys much more lately than before.  We got her a couple of new ones that
she seems to like, but she still sniffs around the bookcase while we are home
( we do correct her when she sniffs).  In addition, she seems to have reverted
back to puppyhood, because she will take anything that is not nailed down.

I try to take her on a couple of walks a day and rough house with her in the 
living room (when outside, she is just interested in sniffing around).

What can we do to help break her Dino habits and more importantly what can be
done about her newly aquired thirst for knowledge ?????

p.s. Her routine hasn't really been changed lately, as my wife has been home
from work for over 5 months with the baby and the dog seems not to mind the 
baby -- just sniffs her and licks her hands and feet.  I spend a little less
attention to Bogey, but not much.

later,
				---Mark
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
From: kkv@inel.gov (Jamie J Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Get Your Pet Neutered
Organization: Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, Idaho Falls, Idaho
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 15:47:36 GMT

In article <1993Jan26.143349.8857@lth.se> dag@seldon.control.lth.se (Dag Bruck) writes:
>PS: Please help me to find the correct word.  "Spay" relates to
>bithes and "neuter" to dogs; what is the sex-neutral word?  I have
>used "castration" which is the Swedish word used (translated, of
>course).

I've always heard the term "fixed" applied generically.  I don't
think castration is correct for females, but I could be wrong.


Jamie

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From: mandrews@portal.hq.videocart.com (Tony Scott)
Subject: Re: Is there grass that will survive dogs? (Was: Loose dogs)
Organization: VideOcart Inc.
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 22:43:46 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.175144.7575@newshost.lanl.gov> crs@beta.lanl.gov (Charlie Sorsby) writes:
>
>
>But do remember that the dog(s) will almost certainly kill all or
>most of the grass inside if they spend much time there.  And don't
>forget that they will need some exercize in addition to the little
>that they will do while confined.

Speaking of which.  Our back yard lawn is about 70% bare where our dogs go.
I was going to look into getting some sort of "super-grass" for that area.
Does anybody know if *any* natural grass can live in a dog run or is the
only choice Astro turf?
(..or as some wackos around here have  s lawns, concrete painted green...)


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From: young@alw.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs
Subject: Re: docking
Date: 25 Jan 1993 07:56:25 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I think that we have established, time and time again as
this subject continues to come up, that the docking of 
tails does serve a purpose in the hunting breeds.  Yes,
there still are those of us who hunt with our dogs although
our numbers are probably dwindling.  We will probably 
continue to dock the tails of Brittanies, German Shorthairs,
Clumber Spaniels, Cocker Spaniels, Springer Spaniels, 
Viszlas, Weimereiners and etc. to spare the dogs injuries
to their tails incurred as these dogs beat about the brush
in search of game. 

In some cases, this practice serves tradition rather than 
function because there are breeds that fall from favor as 
hunting breeds.  Some hunting breeds find homes where they
are not asked to preform the tasks for which they are bred.
Perhaps these dogs don't need the short tail of a working
dog but it'd be difficult to decide this at the age of 2 days
when the procedure is preformed. Many of these breeds have 
been bred for a natural dock (a shorter tail).  
-- 
___________	
	jy
	young@heart.dcrt.nih.gov
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs