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From: narayana@oracorp.com (K. T. Narayana)
Subject: Caste and Vaisnavism
Followup-To: soc.culture.indian, soc.culture.indian.telugu
Organization: ORA Corporation, Ithaca, New York
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 22:38:29 GMT

There was some crafty disinformation indulged in by a netter
on the above topic. Here is what Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan
has to say!


"Ramanuja preaches equality in worship and proclaims that
 bhakthi transcends all caste inequalities. He admitted
the pariahs to the temple at Melkote. But it is by no means
clear that he was prepared for a wholesale defiance of the
accepted order. Out of deference to tradition, he concedes
that freedom is open only to the three upper classes, and
others have to work their way up and wait for the next birth.
We cannot therefore say that he was in full sympathy with
his teaching."

The first sentence above is based on Bhaagavatism, facilitated
as it were by the puranaas, and generally intended as a panchama
veda: basically a smruthi.  The second sentence only speaks of
entry to the temples by the Suudras; it is not clear whether the
word Suudra is intended for a Mleccha. When taken scripturally
(that is how Radhakrishnan's book should be read, when in doubt),
the pariahs are mlecchas. It is clear that Ramanuja did not 
intend the prohibition to go away, and the freedom to enter
the temple is admitted only for the three upper classes.
By requiring on twice born philosophy, Ramanuja insists on
maintaining the accepted order at least theologically. What he
did as a pragmatics may be different. 

I have posted the above to dispell some misinformation being passed
around especially from some guys of the SCT which the SCI readership
should be aware. We may not like the caste
divisions in the society or even hate the notion of prohibition of worship
to some select people. The above records what was the society prevalent those
days and the days prior to that. This whole concept that the vaisnava tradition
somehow broke down caste barriers is a simple white-wash just to
feel good, and nothing more than that. 

...kt
From: sramacha@aludra.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: HINDUS OFFER PRAYERS AT AYODHYA RAM MANDIR
Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:59:01 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu

Mr. fall217 writes:
>
>PLEAS DO NOT FOLLOW UP WITHOUT READING TWICE.


	They don't ?? Let's all change into pleas.
From: t60bss9@mp.cs.niu.edu (Bijoy Sagar)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: News: A battle that was!
Date: 8 Jan 1993 19:11:28 -0600
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu




(Netland) : By staff reporter.

	After 30 days of mighty war, I-rip_him conceded defeat to
Deep Pack and Chatter-G here yesterday. The news was announced by
a spokesman of I-rip-him and he painfully acknowledged that the
battle had to be called off since his army MSA ( morons de soudi arabia)
is running out of a powerful weapon calld death-threat. The design of
this Bomb was actually developed by Cow-many in Iran. The deatails of
the ceasefire is not known at the time of going to press.

	A spokesman for chatter-G expressed regretts that the alternative
fire bombs that they have developed could not be used. Deep pack, it is
learned, is now out of its Upper-case arsenel and is using its intellegence
to gather intimate details of the bedrooms of alien nations:-)

	A chemical poison Super tick 20, which was a product
of bilateral agreement on research and co-operation will be
withdrawn from the market, the netland ambassodor to UN ( United
newsgroups) said here yesterday.

	Meanwhile, it has been mentioned that Chatter-G is chattering
about defending its frontiers against Sack-O which in known to sack
everything that comes on its way. A "summit" is planned by dr.Banerjee
who will mediate between the two super-powers.

	Now that the war is over, interesting truths are coming out.
Our news correspondent in heaven, U-R-A-God reports that I-rip-him
was staffed by mice ( hence the name mouse-staff-a) who were habitual
inhabitants of excrement heaps and since Deep pack has stopped dishing
out regular excrement waste product, are trying to save itself and 
its four satellite mice along with 16 child processes. It is rumoured
that while starving to death, he keeps saying " same to you baby" to
one of his 4 satellites. The origin of this psychological malady is unknown.

	This is news for this hour. Stay tuned for more news from the 
battlefront. I am Bijoy sagar, your newsman reporting from Pok-i-sthan
From: sundar+@cs.cmu.edu (Sundar Vallinayagam)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: 20-20 program of CBS on Ameena.
Keywords: Ameena, concubines, herems, slave trade, Saudis
Date: 5 Jan 93 07:59:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.C0DFJ5.3rB.1
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

>Yesterday on the 20/20  program of CBS, the issue of Ameena
                  ~~~~~

You mean 60 minutes, right ?  I watched the complete piece.
It was heart-rending. The 60 year old Saudi guy was taking
Ameena with him back to Saudi Arabia, after having married her.
The marriage certificate mentioned Ameena's age as 32 while she is
hardly in her teens.  Air-hostess Amrita noticed the poor
child crying and blew the whistle on the whole affair.
The worst part was the courts refused Amrita's request to
adopt Ameena because one was a Hindu and the other a Muslim!
The logic behind this reasoning
escapes me, but it is some stupid law the "hon'ble" (!) judge
was quoting.  The lower court put Ameena
first in a juvenile home and then with mentally handicapped
children.  A higher court did better: it overturned the lower
court verdict and put the child back in her parents' custody,
who had literally sold her to the Saudi in the first place.
The Saudi man was free on bail the next day after his arrest!
Ameena's parents have umpteen other children--many of them girls--and
there is no guarantee that they wont do this again.  Poor Ameena's
trauma must have been compounded further by the trial
proceedings and the verdict.  I don't remember the exact wordings
of the person who did the piece (his name, too, escapes me), but he
had some very apt and telling comments about our judicial system--the
unbelievable paper-work involved, the rampant corruption, etc.
What a shameful incident!  The pity is that these things are routine
in Hyderabad, especially among the Muslim community--probably
due to poverty and lack of education.

Why is it that India makes news only with incidents like
these--assasinations, riots, etc. ?  I am longing for the
day when we are in the news because of some major discovery, or because of
some laudable achievement...  Maybe I am too optimistic...




ramli.


PS:  I think there were quite a few pieces on SCI about this
     incident some time ago.
-- 
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ramli@orca.ele.uri.edu
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From: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU (Arindam Ghosh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: Bekel Holo.... Theker somoae
Date: 6 Jan 1993 20:56:49 GMT
Organization: University of Houston
Reply-To: mece1e3@Jane.UH.EDU
NNTP-Posting-Host: jane.uh.edu

>street corner kore bordhoman e, sei bangali intellect, wit ebong
>energy r ki apochoi ....
>
>Aaai shala Deepu, khisti dibi na shudhu shudhu...tui ki mairy amader 
>JU mech er nendu in disguise nakire?????
Partha, what happened to the Help Calcutta List? I will be in Cal from
Feb 17 to March 1
Arindam
From: spillutla@memstvx1.memst.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: LOOKING FOR ANAND FROM HYDERABAD(MEHDIPATNAM)
Date: 6 Jan 93 11:18:05 -0600
Organization: Memphis State University

LOOKING FOR ANAND FROM HYDERABAD (MEHDIPATNAM)

I AM LOOKING FOR ANAND WHO HAS COME TO UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS AT FAYETYVILLE
FOR HIS MASTERS IN ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING/ COMPUTER SCIENCES.
ANY INFORMATION ABOUT HIS ADDRESS AND WHEREABOUTS MAY KINDLY BE SENT TO
    SPILLUTLA@MEMSTVX1.MEMST.EDU
              OR
    SPILLUTLA@MEMSTVX1.BITNET
              OR
    CALL (901) 452-8624

    THANKS IN ADVANCE
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: partha@mse.ogi.edu (R. Parthasarathy)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: ACTUAL MOTIVE BEHIND THE RIOTS
Date: 11 Jan 93 19:04:50 GMT
Article-I.D.: ogicse.48332
Distribution: world
Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute, Material Science & Engineering

The BJP's main objective appears apparently as establishing
a Hindu temple at Ayodhya at any cost. The renewed riots in
Bombay and Ahmedabad puzzle me. It looks to me like the 
sequence seems pretty well planned. Now Tamils are being
attacked. I am slowly seeing the clear picture of the actual
motive - destabilize the nation and the government. Because
BJP had economic liberalization in its agenda. Before they
could get to that, Narasimha Rao pulled the rug from under their
feet by liberalizing rather extensively, thereby "stealing"
any positive opportunities for the BJP. How does one counter
that? - Hit the stability of the nation. That will discourage
the foriegn investors from coming forward to do business
with India. That will bleed the nation for a while. Then there
will be elections and "stability" will be the main issue of
the election manifesto. The attacks on Tamils seems preplanned
because during the last episode of riots, Tamil Nadu was pretty
calm and to drag them into the blood bath, the best idea would
be to attack them elsewhere. Short sighted politicians are dividing
the nation. Now the Kazhagams in Tamil Nadu will enter the
fray. Whether they'd target north Indians or not, they'd attack
the Brahmin communities there for sure. If India has to survive
as a nation, they must ban the BJP, The Kazhagams and all such
parties and put their leaders in some remote place for about
25 years now. That's the only way out. This would be a good
time to declare an emergency and arrest all trouble mongers
and keep the country under a tight clamp for a couple of years.

Partha sarathy
From: dbrus.Unify.Com.ijk@unify.uucp (Indradev J. Kadidal)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Business Week article on Indian Software
Date: 9 Jan 93 23:28:31 GMT
Reply-To: dbrus.Unify.Com.ijk@unify.uucp (Indradev J. Kadidal)
Distribution: na
Organization: Unify Corporation, Sacramento, CA, USA


More postive press for Indian software...

For those of you who might be interested, the latest issue of Business Week -
January 18, 1993, has a full-page article on the growing software industry in
India. It is titled "Software from India? Yes, it is for real". 

It talks about the success of software packages from the companies like TCS,
and the growth of the domestic market. It is a fairly decent article although 
it is not as comprehensive as the articles that appeared in San Jose Mercury 
News last month.

Indradev

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From: sasthana@cirrus.com (Sunil Asthana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: AIDS drug by indian firm
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:03:19 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc.  Fremont, California

In article <1i5a06INN5f9@hsc.usc.edu> banerjee@hsc.usc.edu (Samit Banerjee) writes:
>In article <1993Jan2.184653.25567@news2.cis.umn.edu> crick@tsp.med.umn.edu (Ed Crick (CD)) writes:
>
>
>Prophet Asthana is considering going on a sabbatical in order to sit out
>the current cascade of profanities that are being posted on SCI by
>various truculent youngsters. His virgin eyes not having seen such abject
>and digusting human behaviour, he thinks he should take a short hiatus
>rather than let himself be led into sin. 
>
>Samit
>-- 

Well!

BANARJEE

Who is this Asthana you are refering to. If it is I then I can send you a
befitting reply. I have never posted anything in this regard.

Anyway, it takes more than you to understand the Pharmaceutical Industry of
India for that matter any industry.

Good Luck.

Sunil Asthana
----
From: vtg1714@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Vishwanath Tirupattur  )
Subject: Re: Bombay riots escalate
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 23:52:08 GMT

sunder@grusin.crhc.uiuc.edu (Srinivas Sunder) writes:


>The death-toll is now well past a 100, and at about 140, is fast
>approaching 150. The police report that they are coming under fire 
>from rioters armed with (!!!!!!!) Kalashnikovs in one locality. The
>police said that they would conduct door-to-door searches on Mohammed
>Ali Road to flush out the weapons (one hopes that they will do it
>properaly, and that reports of the kind that came frm Kashmir will be
>avoided -- old men and kids being beaten up because they had pictures 
>of Pakistani cricket players in rooms).

>I think we can safely say now that there is a foreign hand involved,
>and that the BM demolition was probably only an excuse for this latest
>violence. On the other hand, given that there were rival mobs going at 
>each other with "... knives, firebombs, iron bars and staves", it might 
>just be that Bombay's rival mobs are avenging past excesses by one on the 
>other. 

Foreign hand! Could well be the result of Pawar-Naik power tussle.  Remember
the Hyderabad riots engineered by two factions of the congress(I) leading to
the fall of Chenna Reddy in his yet another term as CM?  Giving communal 
colour to violence so often to settle political scores, has happend so many
times that I would be sceptical about foreign hand theory.


>The police were apparently slow to respond because they came under severe
>criticism the last time around for shooting 150 rioters dead. 

>In my not-so-humble opinion, a comment made by esteemed netter and IGF-watchdog
>Satya Prabhakar in the wake of the initial Dec. 6th riots stands out and
>bears repetition. "Liberals should be asked to take a vacation at times like
>this." Given that what probably caused the police to keep mum was the criticism
>of "liberals", I think I concur heartily (though Satya probably meant it in a
>different context -- the banning of the RSS/VHP/BJP/BD etc.) Shoot the rioters
>at sight and without mercy, I say. 

I agree, as long as the same treatment is extended to ALL rioters including
those who break court orders and destroy mandirs and masjids.  The selective
implementation of shoot-at-sight is what I have problems with.  
>-- 
>Srinivas Sunder                                         sunder@crhc.uiuc.edu
Vishwanath   
>If my employer shares these views, I'd be most surprised.
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: fafat@phakt.usc.edu (Vijay Fafat)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: TAJ MAHAL using ASCII char set
Date: 11 Jan 1993 14:38:48 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu

Virendra Verma writes:
>>The BJP/RSS/VHP combine have actually a theory that the Taj Mahal was originally
>>a Shiva temple - Tej Mahal.  Long time ago, I heard a Prof. Oak expound on the
>
>	Sounds familiar psuedo-Secularists propaganda. Is Prof. Oak a member
>	of BJP/RSS/VHP combine?
>
>namaste,
>
>-- Virendra Verma

	A typical pseudo-Hindu mentality :)

	FFT



















Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: an4930@anon.penet.fi (Gould)
Subject: What do I say?
Organization: Anonymous contact service
X-Anonymously-To: soc.culture.indian
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 18:52:45 GMT

This is a worthless article to try out the anon service. The damn
machine is not allowing a trial message.


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From: sramacha@skat.usc.edu (Sudarshan Ramachandran)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: this newsgroup
Date: 12 Jan 1993 10:56:20 -0800
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: skat.usc.edu

>>Just a question for those in the know.
>>Is this newgroup for Indians from India or
>>Native Americans?

>What kind of a question is that...? for those of you who still have

	The Q seems to be pretty straight. Since the answer wasn't very, 
	here's my try:


	This newsgroup is for most Indians from India. 




Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
From: uipooper@bcars123.bnr.ca (UI Pooper 2)
Subject: Re: 60 minutes on CBS
Keywords: 60 minutes
Organization: bnr.ca
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:01:15 GMT

It seems Islamic tradition are great but only for the male 
members. If I recall the women in India (Hindus included) are
are treated fairly poorly. I would like the Parliament of India
to have 50% seats reserved for women and we they should adopt
a  UN or Canadian type "Charter of Rights" for everybody
regardless to religionious beliefs BUT we have to wait for BJP 
type Govt to come into power because Congress is too weak and
has no platform to stand on....Jai Hind
From: bihkyan@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Yang Yuanxin)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.china,soc.culture.tamil,soc.culture.indian.telugu
Subject: Re: Indo-china issues, Sum lien
Date: 12 Jan 1993 19:56:48 -0600
Organization: Educational Computing Network
NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu

In article <C0r0Et.8F4@uceng.uc.edu> mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
>In article <C0q5s9.3D1@cmcl2.nyu.edu> yangze@acf3.nyu.edu (Ze Yang) writes:
>>mghayalo@uceng.uc.edu (Manoj Ghayalod) writes:
>>
>>>This guy says selling weapons brings peace in the world.  That is 
>>>similiar to saying that killing Chinese students in Tian????
>>>square will encourage Chinese students to protest against the
>>>Chinese govt.  Now isn't that stupid.
>>
>>Will the killing 'encourage' students against the government?  I
>>don't think there is a trival answer.
>>
>>China is only the 4th largest weapon export country. I think the
>>army selling of China will make the military powers more balanced. 
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>The most important thing is: the two 'similiar' things said by Mr.
>>Ghayalod are not similiar at all. Now we see who is the stupid one.
>>
>>>Manoj
>>
>>Ze Yang
>
>Smart dude, when has China started selling armies.  Selling human beings isn't
>that slavery?  Is that what they teach you in communism.  So you see no 
>similiarities in my statement, good let it go, don't think 
>too hard you might burn up your limited brain cells.
>
>Manoj
       Dude, that's no big deal, just a typing error. you thought so
hard but still so confused, wonder how many brain cells you hold in
that tiny head?

Y Yang
From: vidynath@math.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyanath K Rao)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Subject: Re: RAVI SHARMA OF PORTLAND DIVORCES HIS NEWLY ARRIVED BRIDE!
Date: 10 Jan 1993 16:24:36 -0500
Organization: Me? Organized?
NNTP-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu

I missed the original article. So I don't know quite what happened.

But, don't those filing for divorce have show cause, or show that they have
made a good faith effort to resolve problems? In this case, seperation
caused by INS shouldn't count as cause, right? what am I missing?

Regarding the case of the man refusing to file immigration papers, would
veiled threats of legal action work?

-- 
Vidhyanath Rao			It is the man, not the method, that solves
nathrao+@osu.edu		the problem. - Henri Poincare
(614)-366-9341			[as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]
From: sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu (M. Sundaramoorthy)
Subject: GOI admits Sopore killings by BSF
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 9 Jan 93 20:21:48 GMT

Date: Jan 8, 1993
Source: Los Angeles Times


                    Forces 'Went Amok' in Kashmir
                    =============================

SOPORE, India - Indian police admitted Thursday that paramilitary security
forces killed 53 people and torched scores of buildings in the Kashmir town 
of Sopore in revenge for an attack by anti-Indian militants.

"The security forces went amoke", Senior Police Supt. S. Sahay told reporters
over the noise of curfew-defying protests by hundreds of people aganist 
Wednesday's mayhem. A senior local government official said that all those
killed were civilians.

Sahay said the official government version issued Wednesday- that most people
were killed in cross-fire between militants and security forces and that the 
explosion of a militants' arms dump caused the fires-was untrue.

Sayay said that men of the paramilitary Border Security Force went on the
rampage in retaliatin for an attack by militants on one of their bunkers in 
Sopore in which one trooper was killed. He said security men deliberately set
houses and shops ablaze.

The government promised an investigation.

Separatists have been campaigning for the past four decades to set up an 
Islamic nation in Kashmir. More than 5,000 people have been killed since the
movement turned violent three years ago.

                                                    - Times wire service

                             * * * * *

Date: Jan 9, 1993
Source: Los Angeles Times


                       Thousands Protest Deaths in India
                       =================================

SRINAGAR, India - Thousands of mourners defied a curfew Friday to demonstrate
in the Kashmir town of Sopore, where Indian security forces killed at least
53 people Wednesday, witnesses and officials said.

Police used tear gas to disperse hundreds of protesters at the funeral of a man
whose body was discovered Friday in the charred ruins of a house, one of 
several burned by the security forces.

At least five people were injured during Friday's protests, at which separatist
leaders made emotional speeches appealing to the United Nations to protect
Kashmiris from the Indian security forces.

Senior Indian police officers have admitted that paramilitary troops of the
Border Security Force went on rampage of shooting and arson Wednesday in 
Sopore, about 35 miles northwest of Srinagar, in retaliation for an attack by
militants in which one trooper was killed.

The New York-based human rights group Asia Watch said the attacks set a test
case for New Delhi's commitment to crack down on excesses by its forces.

                                                      - Reuters
       
                            * * * * *


M. Sundaramoorthy
sundar@indigo1.hsis.uci.edu