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From: larry@csccat.cs.com (Larry Spence)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Mondo 2000: R. U. Sirius
Summary: lifestyles by mail order
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:57:39 GMT
Organization: Computer Support Corporation,  Dallas,Texas

In article <1992Aug13.014008.11037@uvm.edu> sjc@moose.uvm.edu (Steve Cavrak) writes:
>
>[ Mondo 2000: A User's Guide to the New Edge ] is something of
>an introductory course on Mondo - Mondo 101, if you will. It
>also includes the "Mondo Shopping Mall," a catalog of products
>on "the leading edge of the technological and cultural
>movements" that Mondo 2000, the magazine, reports on. Featured
>productsinclude everything from virtual reality machines and
>videotapes to cryogenic suspension labs and intelligence drugs.

Isn't it interesting how M2000 never hypes anything that's free 
(e.g., self-alteration of consciousness without drugs/electronics)? 
There's always some new device/technology/smartdrug/vitamin/video 
that's massively overpriced...  "Mondo Shopping Mall" sounds like a 
Sharper Image catalog for cyberpunks.  Hip Consumer Indoctrination 
101, step this way...

Given the no-doubt astronomical production costs for M2000, it's
not surprising that they're so dependent on advertisers who are
selling SuperBlast Memory Enhancer or whatever.  

>The catalog includes addresses and telephone numbers for readers
>unable to find these products at their local department store.

Operators are standing by, call before midnight!

-- 
Larry Spence
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From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (wedge)
Subject: Re: WAX, or the discovery of television among the bees....
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 02:50:12 GMT

In article <BtEA3K.Fw4@chinet.chi.il.us> koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us
(Louis Koziarz) writes: 

|Have any plans been announced as to how this feature will be distributed?
|Will it be available on videocasette via mail order, for example?

Did you read the review in Mondo?  Here's what it says:

500 signed and numbered VHS videocassettes of WAX... are available for
$36 postpaid from:

David Blair
Box 174
Cooper Station
New York,  NY   10276

he's also on the net....

|Louis Koziarz              
|koziarz@chinet.chi.il.us  

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From: knappenp@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Trent)
Subject: Re: 'Sneakers'...
Organization: Followers of the Jigging Cat
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 05:20:59 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.170445.25941@athena.mit.edu> boyce@amo.mit.edu (Kevin Boyce) writes:
>knappenp@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Trent) writes:
>
>	[regarding the upcoming movie 'sneakers']
>
>>Dan Akroyd, for one, is in it.  I don't remember who else.
>>for instance, Dan Akroyd has been scrambled into Kandy Road.  (same letters,
>>different order...)
>
>Very interesting, considering that 'Dan Aykroyd' has two y's in it....
>Or is this someone other than Elwood Blues?
>--------
>Kevin		boyce@amo.mit.edu
>"This is a line of Indians leaving Rancho Malario, to make room for YOU!
> Here's the beautiful "Trail of Tears" golf course..."  --Firesign

I admit, I did the Kandy Road acrostic myself.  Maybe it was Kandy Roady.  ;)

But it gets the idea across...and yes, it is the Elwood Blues Dan.

Are you sure about tht spelling of his last name?

-PaulK-

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Subject: Re: Mondo 2000: R. U. Sirius
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 16:04:15 EDT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA
Keywords: like, totally, y'know

s7356911@deimos.ucc.umass.edu (DYLYN) writes:

> Bill writes:
> >... Our society has been organized in pyramidal power structures for 6000 pl
> >years-- it's an ingrained tendency, now...
> 	Sorry, don't agree, for a number of reasons.  First,  it's true some
> hierarchical societies existed roughly 4-6 K years ago, but they were 
> exceptions.  The great mass of societies were egalitarian ones at that point.
> 	I especially disagree with the "ingrained tendency' point.  How does
> 6000 years (barely a moment in the evolutionary timetable) of stratified stat
> counteract the million or so years of human existence in egalitarian societie
> I admit hierarchy is a dominant way of organization now, but I believe we
> anarchists at least have instinct and evolution on our side.   One of the 

Anarchists may have instinct and evolution on their side, but talk is 
cheap.

Show me anarchists that are successfully raising children, and giving 
those kids a viable future (needn't be at all 'socially acceptable', just 
viable, practical, a future that gives the kids the power to continue the 
'anarchist culture' of their parents). Then I'll believe that we aren't 
caught in an "ingrained tendency to pryamidal authoritarianiam" society.

Untill the cyberpunks create a culture of their own, a real way of life 
that includes children, their just another 'parasite of civilization', an 
interesting tendency, a fashion, and not much more.

Regarding the history of civilization and egalitarian societies-- well, 
it's not worth arguing, but let me ask you-- is our society on the 
evolutionary branch extendinhg from a matriarchal farming village, or the 
branch that extends from an assyrian-warlords city? Both existed in 2000 
bc-- from which is our modern society descended?

Later, Bill
From: ron@zooid.guild.org (Secret Mud)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: Books
Date: 20 Aug 92 10:50:40 GMT

From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (jason "Think!" steiner)
>as an "anti animal collision device."
>
>> Hook a variable speed strobe light to your grill and change the
>> stroboscopic  frequency while approaching an intersection.
>
>one of my friends hooked up some strobes underneath his rusted
>out Honda. he had a great CD player/stereo system in it tho', and
>would cruise into town playing thunder & lighting or jet engine
>sound effects while the strobe lit up the ground around him.
>
>> oh dear I think I am getting a little to anti-establishment here..
>> 
>> (famous last words.)
>
>yup.
>
>> L8r ppl
>
>maybe we should make the anarchy symbol a part of the ASCII character
>set. then we can -all- be rilly kewl. or c00L or whatever the hell
>it is these days.
>
>jason
>

I've thought of a wonderful new form of terrorism:  Take an infared laser
diode, and spray the beam up and down all the local appartment buildings,
playing codes to mess up all appliances with remote controls.

- Switch the CD/stereos to max volume, random play.
- VCRs to record.
- And tune all TVs to Geraldo.

Clobbering the VCRs could annoy people for weeks, until they figured out how
to program the VCR again.

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From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: Ender's Game
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 03:28:20 GMT

In article <nh7ma!+.tmaddox@netcom.com> tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
>
>	But the larger truth is that I don't like him, his politics, his social
>attitudes, his critical positions, or his work.  
>
>	Or his haircut.

 What exactly about Card do you dislike? I know what I dislike but I had
the unfortunate experience of spending 5 years of my teenage life in Utah,
which has to be the most rigid and dull place west of Iran. I don't like
the Mormon culture and Card is a product of that (as are a number of his
novels). I do enjoy much of his work though, just not all.

Wassail,
Al Billings aka Grendel

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From: tagg@hg.uleth.ca (Nathaniel Tagg)
Subject: Re: Movie: Hardware... is it cp?
Reply-To: tagg@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 15:23:31 GMT

In article <77993@ut-emx.uucp>, cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) writes:
>In article <9208172147.AA04697@magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> nhaldar@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Neil A Haldar) writes:
>>I just saw the Movie _hardware_ for the 3rd time, and realized it had some 
>>pretty neat cp-elements... like the underground culture, the idea of selling 
>>scrap metal found in the "zones" to various dealers, etc...
>>Anyone else with thoughts on this?
>
>Methinks you missed the point.
>
>"Hardware" was about the reduction of humans to the level of machines, and the
>declining worth of human life in a mechanized culture. It's theme was that of
>the individual becoming subserviant to the machine. 
>
>You snagged the trappings, Neil, but you missed the thematics. "Hardware" is
>cyberpunk because of it's theme, not it's "look" or the various elements you
>mentioned. 

    No disagreement from me.  The thing I couldn't believe is that he thought
it had "some cp elements", like it was borderline or something.  Hardware is
firm, tough, rigid cyberpunk.  It was made to be cyberpunk.  There is no
essential component of cyberpunk left out of the movie.  In fact, the cp model
of the universe is getting so trite for me that I was a little dissapointed. 
    (BTW I liked Hardware merely for the fact that they played a whole Ministry
track ('Stigmata') without interupption, unlike the poser _Freejack_, which
played only about 5 seconds of honest-to-goodness cp music in the whole show.)

--------- Nat
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From: boyce@amo.mit.edu (Kevin Boyce)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: 'Sneakers'...
Summary: spelling counts for anagrams
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:04:45 GMT
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology

knappenp@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Trent) writes:

	[regarding the upcoming movie 'sneakers']

>Dan Akroyd, for one, is in it.  I don't remember who else.
>
>[The code used for the credits takes] the letters
>of each word and scrambles them into different words...
>for instance, Dan Akroyd has been scrambled into Kandy Road.  (same letters,
>different order...)

Very interesting, considering that 'Dan Aykroyd' has two y's in it....
Or is this someone other than Elwood Blues?
--------
Kevin		boyce@amo.mit.edu
"This is a line of Indians leaving Rancho Malario, to make room for YOU!
 Here's the beautiful "Trail of Tears" golf course..."  --Firesign
From: bliss32@terapin.com (Geoff Schmidt)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Re: sonic yth==cp music??
Date: 19 Aug 92 11:00:16 PST
Organization: BBS

REgarding CP bands, I would think that Ministry and Skinny Puppy would be
closer to CP hard core bands, I still think that even in any CP idea their
would be a large variety of music and not just "CP" music.

 bliss
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From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Linguistic/conceptual interferance
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 06:38:19 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)

In article <5980.9208222113@uk.ac.keele.seq1> csv09@seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk (Barton LJ) writes:
>   Another idea I have been toying with is that language determines to a
>very large extent, if not completely, the concepts we can access.  

	"Your" idea is generally known as the Whorf Hypothesis--it has been
the subject of enormous amounts of controversy in linguistics.


-- 
				Tom Maddox
		    	    tmaddox@netcom.com
		   "I swear I never heard the first shot"
                Wm. Gibson, "Agrippa:  a book of the dead"
Xref: sparky alt.cyberpunk:3840 alt.security:4171
From: nathanf@cup.portal.com (nathan benjamin friedman)
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk,alt.security
Subject: 2600 Magazine wanted
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 16:07:13 PDT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: usa

Hello,

     I am interested in buying the last four issues of 2600
magazine, excluding the most recent one.  If you have them please
e-mail me with an offer.


                              Thank you,

                                   Nathan Friedman
                                   nathanf@cup.portal.com
From: chrisb@lynx.ps.uci.edu (Chris Barrus)
Subject: Re: U2
In-reply-to: cmarsigl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu's message of Thu, 20 Aug 1992 05:58:16 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: Dept. of Physics, Univ. of California, Irvine
Date: 20 Aug 92 19:58:39 GMT


In article <Bt9px4.vw@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> cmarsigl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Klif Marsiglio) writes:

   I don't think I have heard this band mentioned here, but they are IMHO most
   visable and well known cyberpunk band I have ever seen...

   There music has nothing to do with cyberpunk other than being antimainstream
   sounding, but just look at Zoo TV.  Its a cyberpunk dream bastardizing todays
   technology just for the sake of doing it, and doing it big.

   If this is not the forefront of Cyberpunk, I don't know what is.  Bands like
   F242, NitzerEbb, and all those other Industral bands (of which I have just bout
   ever cd I can think of, so dis ain't a flame) will probably never influence
   cpunk and push it further into mainsteam therefore not push the limits of
   the underground.

   Jus wondering if anyone cares to agree with me (or if not I really don't care)

   Klif M.
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That's funny because I've thought that Achtung Baby was one of their more
mainstream sounding records (compared with War or The Unforgettable Fire)

Whether or not anything is cyberpunk is an open ended question, depending
upon everyone's viewpoint.  I imagine that some people wouldn't include U2
in the "cyberpunk" category simply because of U2's popularity.

Achtung Baby addresses some of the same themes that traditional cyberpunk
has looked at, so I guess you can find some common ground between the two.
My viewpoint is that something is cyberpunk only if you really REALLY want
it to be.

BTW, I will admit that U2's video for "Even Better Than The Real Thing"
is the closest thing I've seen to a "cyberpunk music video."

-Chris
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From: tedwards@src.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: 'Sneakers'...
Organization: Systems Research Center, Maryversity of Uniland, College Park
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 19:38:46 GMT

In article <1992Aug13.012638.27401@news.stolaf.edu> knappenp@mari.acc-admin.stolaf.edu (Trent) writes:
>In article <1992Aug12.200756.21299@athena.cs.uga.edu> fore@athena.cs.uga.edu (Howard Fore) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug12.154547.1937@cis.umassd.edu> acsbk@UMASSD.EDU writes:
>>>	There is a movie comming out soon called 'sneakers' that seems
>>>to involve the NSA, codebreaking, cracking and 'The Ultimate Code'
>>>of some sort.

Does anyone know what kind of ultimate code they are breaking?
Is public key cryptology mentioned?  Factorization of large numbers?

-Thomas


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From: mimir@milton.u.washington.edu (Al Billings)
Subject: Re: present  state of technology
Organization: The Friends of Loki Society
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 05:17:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug20.220404.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu> drennan@acfcluster.nyu.edu (XIXAX) writes:
>
>Maybe I should just upload my Mondo article (pre-hatchet job) about alternative
>interfacing to the Net...

 Please do.

Wassail,
Al Billings

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From: elwin@gamma.phys.clemson.edu (Lawrence E. Brown)
Subject: Re: Ender's Game
Reply-To: elwin@gamma.phys.clemson.edu (Lawrence E. Brown)
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 16:56:28 GMT


In article <DBwFPB1w165w@rivdell.UUCP>, megazone@rivdell.UUCP (Megazoner) writes:
> How can one write about the Net if nobody has even ENVISIONED it. You 
>have to invent the idea first. I'm sure that if the concept of cspace 
>existed, Heinlen would have written about it.
>
> Besides, it's possible to have cyberpunk without the cyber, and cpunk is 
>basically a social structure anyway, right? Heinlen was good at writing 
>modified social settings...in my opinion, he wrote good stuff for his 
>time.

Yes, Heinlen wrote good stuff (although there never was a more
perfect example of Sturgeon's Law) but cpunk?  You need more
than the Net for that.  CPUNK.NE.CSPACE There's cspace in
Ender's game (or virtual reality or something like, close enough
anyway), but IMHO (and I'm sure this has been hashed to death
here) cpunk needs three things (at least in some small amount).
1. Direct brain (or at a stretch body)- machine interfacing.
(Hence the CYBER)
2. Dystopian future 
3. Raymond Chandler/ Dash Hammett "street" prose. (Hence the PUNK)

Let's try some examples.
Enders Game: 1,2(I guess), definitely not 3.
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep: 1(maybe, they're androids),2,3(maybe a little)
Shockwave Rider: 1,2, not 3.
Neuromancer: 1,2,3 Bingo!
Blade Runner (movie): 1,2,3 Bingo again.
When Gravity Fails: 1,2,3 You get the idea.

More Fuel for the flames?


--
Larry Brown                        "Philip K. Dick is dead, alas
elwin@gamma.phys.clemson.edu        Let's all queue up to kick God's ass"
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy      --Michael Bishop in _The Secret Ascension_
Clemson University
From: Scott Abfalter <thx1138@angus.mi.org>
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
Subject: Mister Maddox 
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:24:06 EDT
Reply-To: thx1138@angus.mi.org
Organization: North Star BBS


Actually, Tom Maddox is an insideous virus unleashed on the internet
to keep the alt.cyberpunk discussion going....


THX

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From: dlwood@mothra.cns.syr.edu (David L Wood)
Subject: Re: Insanity (01/??)
Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 92 00:17:48 EDT


That was meant for chatsubo, ignore it.



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Subject: cyber-poetry?
From: mdturner@riker.acs.calpoly.edu (Mark)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:33:32 GMT
Reply-To: mdturner@riker.acs.calpoly.edu 
Distribution: alt.cyberpunk
Organization: Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo

fiction and film and music have been talked about =

Is there cyber-poetry?

M
Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk.movement
From: tagg@hg.uleth.ca (Nathaniel Tagg)
Subject: Re: cyber-poetry?
Reply-To: tagg@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Distribution: alt.cyberpunk
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 22:46:57 GMT

In article <1992Aug21.193332.151420@zeus.calpoly.edu>, mdturner@riker.acs.calpoly.edu (Mark) writes:
>fiction and film and music have been talked about =
>
>Is there cyber-poetry?
>
>M

No, but there is cyber-polka.  (cf The Polka Dogs, self-proclaimed cyberpolka
band.)

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From: tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox)
Subject: Re: Rights in cyberspace
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 08:29:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Keywords: Freedom information cyberpunk

In article <1992Aug13.013045.15676@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> pete@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Peter Alexander Merel) writes:
>tmaddox@netcom.com (Tom Maddox) writes:
>>	Finally, as Bruce Sterling just pointed out in a speech to the
>>American Library Association's meeting in San Francisco about a month ago,
>>information is not a commodity, no matter who wants you to believe it is.
>>*Sometimes* it can acquire commodity status, but in general it does not 
>>have it.  For instance, I lose nothing by transferring information about
>>these ideas to you.  
>
>You lose ownership of the ideas. If you can sell something and still keep a 
>copy that doesn't mean that control of that thing isn't saleable. 

	You're assuming the existence of that which you intend to prove.  If
information were a commodity, then giving it to you would mean losing ownership
of it; however, when (as is often the case) it is not, then not.

>A farmer
>can sell as much corn as he likes and still have plenty left. 

	Not if that was his last bushel of corn.  There's the difference I 
was talking about.  If I own a commodity, I own a finite amount or number of
it (250,000 bushels of corn, 1,000,000 256k SIMMS, etc.), and anything I give
away or sell will leave me with that much less.

	But if I tell you that you can ftp a copy of _Moby-Dick_ from 
Project gutenberg, I have lost nothing.  The fact that I can sometimes convert
information into a commodity (by, for instance, concealing the fact that 
a particular stock is about to climb or nosedive) doesn't mean that information
is a commodity; it simply is a function of the fact that in a capitalist 
economy, *anything* can become a commodity, including your love for your
mother.

-- 
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