From: wendy@sundown.mil.wi.us
Subject: Re: Hooray!!
Followup-To: alt.feminism,soc.women,soc.men
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 92 16:21:25 GMT

ljf (farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
> In article <1992Dec13.192442.6551@netcom.com> tyger@netcom.com (Kristen Kohlbecker) writes:

> >Wendy, the aforementioned transexual, didn't seem to take nearly as much 
> >offense from my words as you did. I certainly meant no offense, and I'm glad
> >that at least the person I was addressing understood that, or seemed to.

> So, Wendy is nicer than I am.  I thought your post was thoughtless and
> rude.  If a post that starts with, "Oh good grief..." isn't meant to
> offend, perhaps you could start with a more sympathetic approach.

I'm not necessarily nicer, just more resigned to hear this type of 
response from people. While most Genetic Women seem to have the same feelings
toward us that Kristen has, there are a few women who know who I was when
I posted here as a male and are still friends of mine as Wendy. They have
accepted me as a woman and connect with me as a woman. They are true Gems
and I love them dearly.


> >>For you to suggest that Wendy should just be a champion of women's
> >>causes shows ignorance of the fact that to Wendy, it's not _just_ women's
> >>causes, but first and foremost being a woman that matters to her.
> >
> >Yes, well I don't know a heck of a lot about the Mormon religion either, but
> >at least my Mormon friends and Wendy are tolerant of my (fumbling?) attempts
> >to understand. You could learn something from them, ljf.         

> Ahem.  And you couldn't learn something from the nice response to your
> abrasive post?

Kristen, just because I didn't jump down your throat for saying what you
did doesn't mean I wasn't hurt by it. Very few people (except another
transexual) can understand how I feel inside. I'm going through the
same pre/early teen stage of womanhood that you went through. You know, the
time when comments from peers really hurt. So while I may not have gotten
angry, I was really hurt.....:-(

> Do you also say things to your Mormon friends like, "Oh good grief...
> If Mormons encounter discrimination, why are you Mormons in the first
> place?"

A very good way of putting it!

> >>You're pushing causes when Wendy is concerned with identity.
> >
> >I'm not pushing anything...you're the only one that has some kind of agenda
> >here, which seems to be, "How dare you discuss that which you do not 
> >understand!" Well, you got me dead to rights...I haven't a clue what 
> >transexualism is all about, but I'm trying to come to an understanding. I'm 
> >sorry that you seem to think that I ought to just leave what I don't 
> >understand alone.

> No, I'm saying that when you write a post that is so abrasive and
> judgmental about something you know nothing about, you're going to be
> called on it by people less nice than Wendy (*nudge*nudge* you know,
> people like you and me).

I used to do the typically male thing and let comments just roll off
my back. That doesn't happen any longer. Some of them really hurt, and 
I just sit and cry. I keep talking about crying. I've cried more in the
last 6 months then I did in over 40 years as a male. I can't seem to stop,
not that I want to. I'm sorry I mention it so much. I have a long way to
go to be a woman. And even then, I will never have had alot of the experiences
(good and bad) that Genetic Women have had. So please forgive me, if I
sound a little bitter!!

Wendy
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