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From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Sandman #43
Summary: Rules are made for breaking...
Date: 4 Oct 92 03:39:47 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

In article <1992Oct4.025935.23358@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes:
>sherman@deimos.math.ucla.edu (William Sherman):
>Critical passage (from Gilbert, in "Dolls House", about Vortices):
>
>"He terminates their physical existence, little bird.  To protect
>the Dreaming.  It's the only time he is empowered to take human
>life, you see...  It's one of the Rules."
>
>If it *is* Desire trying to kill Destruction's friends, s/he's almost
>certainly breaking the Rules.  In fact, it's not even obvious that
>Destruction is allowed to kill.  (And if there is a prohibition, it
>would be a poor sophistry to forbid killing but allow dropping a
>wall or blowing up a building where the target just happens to be.)

Wait just a minute. Assuming that Fiddler's Green (a) knows what
he's talking about and (b) is not lying (and those are, of
course, my asumptions), we know one thing only: Dream is
permitted to kill a human only if that human is the Vortex. We
don't know when, whether, why another of the Endless might be
allowed to kill; we don't know that anything like this rule
applies to any of them but Dream. If we saw that at least *one*
other of the endless had a similar rule, I'd be willing to assume
that it applies to all of them; but one point just isn't enough
to draw a curve on (especially with this family).

-- 
Andrew M. Solovay       "Work is the curse of the drinking class."
solovay@netcom.com			--Wilde

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From: hlow@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Handel Low)
Subject: Re: Fanboys - collectors
Organization: Salt and Vinegar and Mustard
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 15:49:02 EDT

In article <22579@galaxy.ucr.edu> zeus@watserv.ucr.edu (Zeus) writes:
>
>Someone mentioned a while ago, that it really won't matter how many copies you  
>have of X-Men #1, or Youngbloods...  Which makes more and more sense as I go  
>along.  Therefore, I've stopped collecting books, for collecting's sake... I  
>just buy what I like and I don't care if it creases (sp?) or if it's got edges  
>that don't look crisp.  I am NOW actually reading books the way I think that  
>they were intended to be read - for pure fun.  
>
>Just think about it - those youngbloods or x-men, or x-force #1's aren't and  
>won't be highly valuable in the future.... they just won't be rare...ever.  
>(maybe in a million years - but who will care then?)
>
>Chris


Chris...good man!  I am pleased to hear that you've turned from the error
of your ways.  Now the next step is to start beating up on your comic 
books...that's right!  Now just today I papered the parakeet cage with
some pretty Amazing Spiderman 300 newsprint and blew my nose in some of
the X-men number 1's you were talking about.

Sorry, this has been a ridiculous post, but I couldn't resist.

Really, though, it's a fine and commendable example that you've set for
the great unwashed.  Fanboys only victimize themselves.

What-EVER.  (Sorry, this is a stupid followup...I should abort)


handel "what the heck was i thinking" low

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From: gls@windmill.ATT.COM (the Hobgoblin of the Net)
Subject: footnote to Parliament
Organization: Save the Dodoes Foundation
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 18:56:51 GMT

This letter to _the Smithsonian_ may interest readers of _Sandman:_

My father, a self-educated naturalist, gleaned his knowledge of
birds and nature from keen observation.  During the Great
Depression, our entertainment was spending many happy hours
walking the fields and woodlands in rural Pennsylvania.  "More
like people than people," was father's frequent comment about
crows.

	On one cold afternoon in late fall, we saw a gathering of them
	in a large, solitary pasture oak.  One bird was apart from the
	rest.  Father excitedly pulled me down to a crouch, saying,
	"It's a crow court.  They punish their own, just like we do!" We
	must have hunkered down in that stubbly field for an hour,
	watching and listening to the fervent dialogue being exchanged
	among the assembled birds.  Finally, with much flapping and
	cawing, the session ended with the culprit being driven off by
	the entire gathering.  "He's been banished," Father said;
	"they'll not let him fly with them again!"

To forestall misapprehensions, I should explain that telling bad stories
is not a crime among crows.  A crow who tells an inane or preposterous
story must endure no worse punishment than a few good-natured catcalls
from a bluejay or two.  Crows are rather credulous in general, and will
listen all day to flying elephant stories or personal compliments from
foxes.

-:-
	When by judgement one means knowing how something comes to be
	what it is, the judgement must appear as re-constructing the
	identical universe of the difference.  Then every model
	includes the measure of its own difference.  No state of
	equilibrium is empowered to remain identical, or to compel the
	individual to alter (and integrate with it).  The identical is
	equal to itself, since it is different.

					--Franco Spisani (1975)
-- 
Col. G. L. Sicherman
gls@windmill.att.COM
From: swindley@elec.uq.oz.au (Robert Swindley)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: that little box in the lower corner
Date: 29 Sep 92 23:27:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: s1.swindley.717809247
Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland

Okay, it's bothered me for ages and I've never found
anyone who could properly tell me what the significance 
of that little box in the lower corner of (nearly) every
cover of a comic book. (you know the little one with 
bar-codes if it's a newstand comic or a little picture
of a superhero if it's direct sales.

I think I've heard it referred to as a 'UPC' box or
somesuch, so what does "UPC' stand for ????

Could someone also please tell me the significance of this
box when it comes to pricing comics.  For instance, looking
at a price guide I've found that the first issue of X-force
has about 8 different prices depending on the card contained
and the color of this box.

please help

chengster    chengm@sun.mech.uq.oz.au
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From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (OtakuRoach)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Image Comics (no flames please)
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:27:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.213109.22714@news2.cis.umn.edu>, lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes:
i> 
> This brings up a question. The only scripts I've seen are the Sandman scripts
> published in the third collection and over in the late r.a.c. Those were
> fairly descriptive of what each panel should include. I wonder if Moore
> does this sort of script

Yes, Moore is that detailed (I wonder if there's where Gaiman got the idea
from).

> and whether such a script would make McFarlane's job easier or more
> difficult. 

Depends on his ego, no?  :-/
-- 
			    E n r i q u e  C o n t y
			The Incredible Man-with-no-Life
			      jester@ihlpl.att.com
		    Disclaimer: You're not dealing with AT&T
From: rglass@pcs.cnu.edu (Randall Glass)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Dale Keown
Date: 30 Sep 92 20:53:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: PCS.9209302053.AA08483
Organization: The Ohio State University Department of Computer and Information Science


 I am a huge Dale Keown fan.
 What has Keown worked on before _Incr.Hulk_?
 I'm excited about Image's _Pitt_!!!
 
 Please respond! later,
	randall glass
	rglass@pcs.cnu.edu
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago
Date: Monday, 28 Sep 1992 11:15:14 CDT
From: <U16244@uicvm.uic.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Today's villians...what went wrong?
 <1992Sep28.130845.8555@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>

In article <1992Sep28.130845.8555@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,
dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) says:
>     Dave Van Domelen, would like to see a taskforce of nonmutants beat the
>crap out of Gideon

Oh, but that wouldn't be Kewl if someone like Frogman activated the jump spring
in his frogsuit up against Gideon's crotch (even though it would make a nice
Rob Liefled broken backed pose, only this time, the character really is in
pain.)

DPW
From: jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Female Character Contest
Date: 5 Oct 92 15:45:31 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

k@athena.cs.uga.edu (Joshua Houk) writes:
>In article <80951@ut-emx.uucp> aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:


Cah you spell it?

 
Seriously, though, why would just wanting to find out who
everyone's favorite female character is be chauvinistic?
Most of my favorite comics characters are female regardless
of how much T&A they do or do not show.

By the way, while I'm here, my vote's for Catwoman.
>





 






-- 
DE LA COVA,JORGE
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
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From: gu@castle.ed.ac.uk (G Ushaw)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: DC : Dr Thirteen, the ghost-breaker. which issues?
Keywords: dc
Date: 30 Sep 92 09:51:53 GMT
Distribution: rec
Organization: Edinburgh University

obscure DC characters dept:

There's an old character by the name of Doctor Thirteen, who appeared
briefly in Books of Magic, and also as a piss-take in Doom Patrol. Can
anyone tell me where else he's appeared - titles and issue numbers if
possible.
 
ta cheers.
From: jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: DC: Underrated Legion (was Re: Crisis?  What Crisis?)
Date: 5 Oct 1992 14:16:31 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

Ken Loo (kenl@idacom.hp.com) writes:

>Subject: Re: Crisis?  What Crisis?

>As for the Legion, it was a one of DC's most underrated titles a few years 
>ago when it was written by Paul Levitz.  Levitz unfortunately had to end
>his 10 year run on the title when his VP duties had taken him away from 
>his writing chores.

On the contrary: for a period of a couple years in the early-to-mid-80's,
Legion (under Levitz/Giffen) and Titans (under Wolfman/Perez) were allegedly
DC's top selling books.  Perhaps still underrated, but popular nonetheless.

(A reminder: although .xbooks and .info have relieved some of the problem,
please continue to put subject groupings [like DC, MARVEL, INDY, PEOPLE, etc.]
in your subject lines, to aide people in using kill files efficiently.)

------------------------------
                             |     "O, *Mary!*" Ron said, rolling his eyes.
Jim Drew                     |     "Ron," I said.  "Calling people 'Mary' is
jrd@frame.com                | one gay phrase whose I origin I can't figure
(Furry: Randy Puritan)       | out.  Does it come from the Virgin Mary?"
"Innocent, but not naive."   |     Once Ron stopped spitting out his beer, we
B2h t w- c k s g+(p) rv p    | racked out brains for an origin for the phrase.
S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++  |     "Mary Magdalene would be closer," Ron said.
{opinions: mine != frame's}  |     I suggested Mary Pickford.  Val brought up
                             | the nursery rhyme, "Mary, Mary, Quite Contrary."
                             |     "Easy!" said Tam.  "Mary, Queen of Scotts!"
                             |		- Marc Lynx, "Awl's Fare"
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From: visser@convex.com (Lance Visser)
Subject: Re: Image Bashing -- Why???
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 02:01:17 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

In <1992Oct3.173224.19407@hellgate.utah.edu> speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if you're nasty) writes:

+>In article <visser.718140933@convex.convex.com> visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:

+>>	1. fan-boy Snobs.  These people have a set of pre-conceved notions
+>>	about what an non-big-two comic (i.e. not from marvel/DC) should
+>>	look like.  The premire fan-boy snob is of course the publisher
+>>	of the comics journal who these days has a mentality that anything
+>>	not done by his own company is "evil" which of course ignores the
+>>	trash that he himself was putting on the market during the b&w 
+>>	boom.


+>What "trash" did Fantographics put out during the B&W boom?  Lord knows
+>they've put out some bad titles in their time, but I don't recall anything
+>I'd call trash (i.e. of low quality and done for purely cynical reasons).
+>I don't believe that they did any ADJECTIVE, ADJECTIVE, SMALL FURRY ANIMAL 
+>titles, for instance.
	
	My memories of title names/companies from that period are a bit
fuzzy.  I remember a book about some sort of rabbit character and a 
book called Dog-boy.  They did animal comics, not ADJECTIVE-ADJECTIVE
animal books, but they followed the animal trend of the boom nontheless.

	Now to be sure the books in question were "mature" trash, but 
their quality was such that I dont think they could have or would have
been published except in the boom.
	"Trash" is of course a relitive term and my definition of trash
might not be anyone elses exactly.  I also hold Mr. Groth to his own
supposedly non-commerical "art for art's sake" standards.


	If you want to go back a bit further, they published things
like the x-men companion (in two volumes around 1982).
From: 003695s@ace.acadiau.ca (STEPHANE ANDRE SAVOIE)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: Valiant: Shooter's second son
Date: 4 Oct 92 19:28:58 GMT
Organization: Acadia University


 OK, my pet subject, Valiant.  I've been wonering why Shooter might have 
left Valiant (voluntarily or involuntarily; creative differences ... 
right!), and while discussing it I got some thoughts on the subject.  Bear 
with me.
  Something that stuck me about the Shooter Valiants was a very distinct 
feel to them.  I got a sensation while reading originally that I hadn't 
gotten in a while.  I now realize that this is because a good part of my 
Marvel collection (the good stuff) is from the mid-eighties.  You know, when 
Shooter was in charge.  Sooo, if Valiant was doing a Shooter/Marvel feel, 
which Marvel is no longer doing in today's market (a shame...), what if the 
creative staff, while not doing the Marvel Zombie-thing, but also not doing 
the mid-eighties Marvels thing, wanted to do their own thing...  Shooter, 
loosing control of his second creation (new universe being the first), might 
have left (did he leave or was he booted?) from this.

KID ANARKY
From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: Re: WE HEARD YOU THE FIRST TIME
Date: 29 Sep 92 21:06:42 GMT
Article-I.D.: scott.1992Sep29.210642.24059
Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY

lawrence@ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence) writes:
> This may seem like a fairly basic question: But why do so many
> people on this net send the same posting six, seven or even
> 15 times on the same day???? Is what they're sending so earth-
> shattering that they're afraid someone in Zimbabwe might have
> missed it?
> C'mon folks, don't tie up the net with repeats. There's enough 
> interesting NEW stuff to talk about.
> 
> 				Signed,	
> 				Capt. B.J. Smegma
> 				Chancellor of
> 				Her Majesty's Redundancy Police
> 
> 				(actually it's me, Saint, I'm just
> 					being picky again.)


I don't know what you mean.
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From: bjm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Bobbie J. Mann)
Subject: Re: What's up with !mage??
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 06:36:39 GMT

John Hamilton Slye <jsbr+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:


>>>>>
>>>>>to keep up Image's image is McFly.
>>>
>>>>What do you expect?  When you spend most of your time doing book
>>>>signings and blowing your own horn, when do you have time to do a book?
>>>
>   I am going to take this opportunity to educate those out there who
>don't know how the retail business works...I'm going to assume that the
>typical retailer uses Diamond Distributers to get his shipments. (This
>may not be true, there are other distributers, but I know how Diamond
>ordering works.) 
>   To order a comic book, a retailer has to sit down and determine how
>many books to order based on previous sales and a small paragraph
>description in Diamond Previews. This all takes place THREE MONTHS
>before the book is scheduled to come out. At this time the retailer has
>to determine if he can afford to order a particular title or not. (This
>is leading somewhere.) What gets under my skin is when people like
>McFarlane (who actually had a comic shop I believe) and others get off
>on accusing the retailer when his book doesn't do well.
>    McFarlane said in Wizard that the retailers don't know what a good
>and have Marvel laugh at them!

>That's my $0.02 worth on Malibu/Image. (About all it's worth)

I deleted some stuff...
Here's my problem with this post...

Malibu and Image are two distinct entities.  Malibu has absolutely NO editorial
control or say in anything Image does.  ANYTHING.  Image packages the books and
Malibu prints 'em.  That means McFly (or other Imager) sends a package to Malibu and says "here it is."  Malibu then sends that book to the printer...end of
story.  Oh sure, they do all of the dealings with the distributors and the 
printer, but only the "arranging."  For that, they get their cut of the profits
from each book.

Malibu is doing their own books (Protectors, Ex-Mutants and others) which have
absolutely nothing to do with Image.

And I think (MHO) that you're wrong about the general outlook of retailers about Malibu.  Most know the difference (Malibu/Image), and the orders for the Malibu books (yes, even the Eternity line) are all going up. I don't see this as 
retailers being fed up.

Image may not last, but that is not a Malibu decision.  Malibu has some 
pretty sound long-term plans.

I feel better now. :)

Roland



>=========================================================================
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From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: MISC: Endless poster on Roseanne 9/29
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:33:22 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.010450.1108@raven.alaska.edu> ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu (Eric J. Olson) writes:
>
>I NEED a Death watch, though.

And to think there are people in Northern Minnesota who can only get X-titles.
Eric, Eric, surely you meant to say you WANT a Death watch...

Well, I have a Death watch. Very nice. Death from the "What would you think
of life if Death were your older sister" picture. Rotating skull for a second
hand. No numbers so you have to guess how much time you have left.

The only thing wrong is that it was sorta shoddy quality. I know we're 
only suppose to buy these things as collector's items, but darn it, I
needed a watch. So after wearing mine for a few weeks the band falls apart. 
Now I walk around aimlessly, wondering what time it is.

Now that the Sandfans have shown they're often willing to buy quality items
(the hardback version of Season outsold the paperback version) I wonder if
DC might consider getting a real watch company to put out an Endless watch.
A Destruction Rolex, a Destiny Timex, a Delirium Swatch or a Death Fossil
would be meet my need for a watch.

Now does anyone have a Rocketeer watch they want to sell?
--
     Lance "William Blake?" Smith     |   "Bring me my bat of burning gold!
         (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)          |    Bring me my pine tar of desire!
 "The Cat. He walked by himself, and  |    Bring me my glove! O clouds unfold!
    all places were alike to him."    |    Bring me my fastball of fire!"
From: lawrence@ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Subject: WE HEARD YOU THE FIRST TIME
Date: 29 Sep 92 17:37:54 GMT
Reply-To: lawrence@olympus.ctron.com (Gary St. Lawrence)
Organization: Cabletron Systems INc.

This may seem like a fairly basic question: But why do so many
people on this net send the same posting six, seven or even
15 times on the same day???? Is what they're sending so earth-
shattering that they're afraid someone in Zimbabwe might have
missed it?
C'mon folks, don't tie up the net with repeats. There's enough 
interesting NEW stuff to talk about.

				Signed,	
				Capt. B.J. Smegma
				Chancellor of
				Her Majesty's Redundancy Police

				(actually it's me, Saint, I'm just
					being picky again.)
Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc
Date: Sun,  4 Oct 1992 22:57:47 -0400 
From: "Steven M. Stadnicki" <ss7m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Sandman dream artists (no pun intended)

Yes, I know this is a topic that's come up before; on the other hand, I was
thinking about it going through news today, so I thought I'd bring it up
again.  Who would you *most* like to see do an issue (or issues) of Sandman,
and on what theme?  (Assuming you could find a theme for said artist)

Note that this isn't just (hopefully) a 'who's your favorite artist' topic;
for instance, I consider Scott McCloud one of the finest artists comics have
right now, but I also don't think his style necessarly suits Sandman.  Larry
Marder's also almost certainly doesn't, and ditto Matt Feazell's, though it
would be definitely interesting to see either of them try.  But, for instance,
I could probably be persuaded to pay nearly any price for an issue of Sandman
with Donna Barr illustrating a 19th-century German story.  Likewise, I think
it'd be nice to see Dave McKean do the insides for once, though I couldn't
really come up with an appropriate theme.  Or Walt Simonson, maybe, doing
a focus on Destruction.  Etc, etc.  You get the idea... so what's everyone
think?

                                  Steven Stadnicki
                                  ss7m@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith)
Subject: Re: Cerebus #162 (with SPOILERS added!)
Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 21:13:41 GMT

In <1992Oct3.023645.23960@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes:

>This issue has to have had the best 'sexual innuendo in the form of comics 
>pricing criteria' I've ever seen (okay, the only case I've seen, but great 
>nonetheless).
>     Elrod - ...she's not exactly mint condition, if you follow my meaning.
>     Punisherroach - Oh, I know, she's got a few creases in her spine, a little
>wear and some fading, but no chipping, and no pieces are missing, and she's 
>very *very* fine...with a little love and care I believe she can be restored to
>pristine condition...

Heck, the Roach seems to describe the whole relationship in comic book terms.
I seem to recall him using the words "cross-over" and "team up".

However, one comic cliche has yet to be played.

Big Spoiler ahead...


I'm serious...


The RoachQueen dies in a future issue. Guesses about what this does to
the Roach?

(And Dave didn't even give us a 900 number to call and vote whether
she should die or not.)
--
     Lance "William Blake?" Smith     |   "Bring me my bat of burning gold!
         (lsmith@cs.umn.edu)          |    Bring me my pine tar of desire!
 "The Cat. He walked by himself, and  |    Bring me my glove! O clouds unfold!
    all places were alike to him."    |    Bring me my fastball of fire!"
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