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From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Date: 10 Sep 92 19:42:27 GMT
Reply-To: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1992Sep10.154516.15089@src.honeywell.com>, jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus) writes:
|> 
|> In article<51tp02EA21co01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> lmn00@thundercd.amdahl.com
|>   (Linda Newell) writes:
|> >...Also, my doctor said that nutra-sweet would not be a problem.
|> 
|> My source may not have been a reliable one, but I have heard that
|> nutra-sweet can cause the growth of the baby's limbs to be stunted
|> and heart problems in the baby. Any truth to this?

I've already explained (in perhaps excessive detail :-) why I don't like 
the idea of the use of aspartame during pregnancy and childhood, but 
this particular rumor does not appear to be true. 

The studies that have been done on aspartame in pregnancy seem inadequate 
to me, but they would have picked up stunted limbs or heart problems, I 
believe.

Eating aspartame in pregnancy may be slightly incautious, and it's not 
the sort of thing I would do, personally, but it's NOTHING like, say, 
thalidomide. 

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: mbb@keps.kodak.com (Maureen Busch)
Subject: Re: Petroleum Jelly (was Re: Cornmeal for baby powder???)
Organization: Kodak Electronic Printing Systems
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 18:44:29 GMT

In article <1992Sep09.224133.2207307@locus.com> judy@locus.com (Judy Leedom Tyrer) writes:
>In article <1992Sep9.172758.18455@informix.com> alison@husky.informix writes:
>>Along the same lines, what IS petroleum jelly supposed to be used for?
....
>[Among other uses...]
>Petroleum Jelly (better known as Vaseline) is used anytime some part of the
>body needs to be kept from exposure to water.
.....
>And if your baby gets a severe diaper rash
>or open lesion in the diaper area, the vaseline would seal that against 
>any moisture which would be very helpful.  

I routinely used it even when there was no sign of diaper rash for two
reasons.  The first was to prevent diaper rash.  This was especially useful
at times when the baby was likely to sit in a wet/dirty diaper for a little
while (e.g., until we got to the next service area on the Turnpike).  The
other was that a well-Vaselined bottom is easier to wipe clean.  The only
caution is to use it sparingly so that you don't end up with diapers that are
so well lubricated that they no longer absorb wetness because the wetness can't
penetrate the coating of the grease to get to the diaper.  A little Vaseline
goes a long way!
-- 
Maureen Busch				|Small world, but I wouldn't want to
Internet: mbb@keps.kodak.com		|paint it - Steven Wright
UUCP: ...!{harvard!ima,uunet!atexnet}!munsell!cairo!mbb
DISCLAIMER:  The opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
From: donna@wyse.wyse.com (Donna Diloreto x2231 dept302)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:19:09 GMT
Organization: Wyse Technologies San Jose, Ca

Judy Drake writes:

>> I still don't understand why so many people choose pain over
>> no pain when the health of the baby is not affected.  I've
>> had two birth experiences--one unmedicated (except for pitocin,
>> that is), and one epidural, and the painless one was way more
>> enjoyable and exhilarating than the painful one, for everyone
>> involved (just ask my husband).

I'll agree!  My first delivery was totally natural, no drugs,
alcohol, or anything -- and that was with over two hours of back labor.
I was totally out of it, extremely tired when my daughter was born, and
had the shakes right after the delivery.  I could barely see when she was
born, and only remember her long eyelashes and her dad crying...

With my son, I went to the hospital with the option to get an epidural
if I wanted one.  Well, once the back labor started again, I asked for
the epidural (which I didn't get for an hour).  Once it took affect, my
attitude completely changed, and I totally enjoyed the birthing
experience.  I remember everything about the birthing, and it was 
wonderful!

I left the hospital thinking, "I could do this again anytime." That,
of course, was far from my mind when I had my daughter.

Donna
Mom to Sheila and Paul
From: has@cbnews.cb.att.com (heather.a.strasburg)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Commitment, etc
Date: 15 Sep 92 12:33:26 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: AT&T

In article <4750@crl.LABS.TEK.COM> sjk@strl.labs.tek.com (Steven King) writes:
>In article <AegzDqy00VB4AD028u@andrew.cmu.edu>, mh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mary Hart) writes:
>|> Judy Leedom Tyrer writes:
>|> **************************************************
>|> The REAL PROBLEM that everyone needs to attack is the complete lack of 
>|> commitment people in our society are capable of making.  We are a society
>|> of little babies who scream and whine whenever things aren't going our way.
>
>[A few lines deleted]
>
>I second that vote!
>
>[Even more lines deleted]

Just yesterday, in the Wall Street Journal review of books,
they discussed a book (can't remember the exact title) that
has the premise that we've become a nation of "victims" -
meaning that if we're all "victims", none of us is responsible
for what happens (or even what we do).  There were a few
examples which, if they weren't true and probably not all that
uncommon, would be funny, such as:

	- A drunk man jumped in front of a commuter train.
	  He was awarded $650,000 because the train hit him.

	- A man who had been fired for embezzling $2,000 was
 	  reinstated because someone (a jury?) decided that
	  his penchant for gambling with other people's money
	  fell into one of the protected groups.

	- A teacher who had been fired for constantly being
	  late was reinstated and (I think) awarded back pay
	  because "chronic lateness" is a disability.

I'm a bit fuzzy on some of the details, but you get the general
idea.  As to how this applies to this newsgroup - aside from
affecting each of us every day in small and large ways - we need
to teach our kids that they are indeed responsible for the
consequences of their actions.  

I'll get off my soapbox now - can you tell that this is one
of my peeves? :-)

Heather Fisher
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jgelhaus@src.honeywell.com (Jennifer Gelhaus)
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1992 15:45:16 GMT


In article<51tp02EA21co01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> lmn00@thundercd.amdahl.com
  (Linda Newell) writes:
>...Also, my doctor said that nutra-sweet would not be a problem.

My source may not have been a reliable one, but I have heard that
nutra-sweet can cause the growth of the baby's limbs to be stunted
and heart problems in the baby. Any truth to this?

-Jen (due 11-14)
From: sjm1@eng.cam.ac.uk (Stephen Mounsey)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Keywords: how much?
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:20:35 GMT
Organization: cam.eng

lmn00@thundercd.amdahl.com (Linda Newell) writes:

>My doctor said that the equivalent of one cup of coffee a day
>(2 cokes) would be OK.  I try to drink decaffeinated soft
>drinks whenever possible and don't drink coffee.  I read
>an article that said there has been a link between caffeine
>consumed during pregnancy and diabetes (in the child).  The

Perhaps mothers who consume serious amounts of caffeine during
pregnancy are less likely to breast-feed their children (because
there definitely is a link between bottle-feeding and diabetes).

Doesn't seem too far-fetched. Some time ago a study suggested that
coffee drinkers were more susceptible to lung cancer. All it
really showed was that hardened coffee-drinkers were also likely
to smoke.

>article said that the link was not strong or conclusive, but
>there is some evidence of a connection.  Sorry, I don't
>remember where I read it.  Also, my doctor said that nutra-
>sweet would not be a problem.
>Linda


                      -Stephen.
From: sb3t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Shirl G. Grant)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Understanding men (was: differences between boys and girls)
Date: 9 Sep 1992 10:01:41 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
X-Unparseable-Date: Wed,  9 Sep 1992 10:43:27 -0400 (EDT)

> I know it sounds like a cheap shot, but really!  Best I can tell, mens'
 > self-images freeze somewhere around twenty.  After that, they may
>  compromise with reality and minivans but in their hearts of hearts
 > they see themselves as belonging in muscle cars, fighter planes, etc.
>  How else to explain the fanatical identification with spectator sports?
                                                  
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Hey, I resemble that remark!!!!!  And I am a woman & Mother (I have
been called a "real mother" at times too ;-).  Give me a good hockey
fight, umm, I mean game, any day!

-Shirl
From: cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Giving into a fad? When do you say no!
Date: 9 Sep 92 16:23:40 GMT
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

In article <1992Sep7.084833.530@vms.huji.ac.il> naomir1@vms.huji.ac.il writes:
>There is a new fad in our neiborhood, to wear a string around your neck
>with a minute pacifier hanging on the end. 

My daughter saw a kid who looked about 12 or 13 in the mall, with the
baggy overalls, black tee-shirt, backward baseball cap, all in all looking
pretty "bad", and then he was sucking on a pacifier.  Well, needless to
say that really caught her fancy, in her loudest public voice she 
says,

"Look Mommy, that man has a pacifier just like a baby.  Isn't that
fun-ny!"  He seemed to look very sheepish, and put it away.  Oh
well, I guess getting heckled by a two year old will do that to
you.

					Cathy
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: lauraf@classy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Laura Floom)
Subject: Re: Pregnant and wedding rings too tight
Keywords: what did you do?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 22:32:31 GMT


>Wouldn't you know, just when you get to the point in your life 
>where you really want a symbol to show everyone yes I AM married,
>the symbol doesn't fit anymore.  Dan Quayle would take one look
>at you and shake his finger. :-)

Thats OK, I want to shake my finger every time I look at him!
>
>I had the same problem.  If it makes you feel any better, my rings
>fit the week after I delivered.  I wasn't gaining fat in my fingers,
>just water.  Won't help with the "Single Pregnant Mother" look    
>though. :-)  (And in the year of family values too!)

Anyway, not to worry. I *was* single for my first pregnancy, and
something about a pregnant belly that makes people assume you are
pregnant. I kept getting nosy questions from strangers like "Does 
your husband want a boy or girl". I was always tempetd to say 
something like "Oh, gee, I forgot to get married", but never bothered.
What is the point of making people feel uncomfortable.

I am 13 weeks into this pregnancy, and 3.5 weeks into marriage, and I
doubt I will be wearing my ring for much longer.

Laura Floom
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham)
Subject: Re: what do people pay for daycare?
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine
Date: 14 Sep 92 19:44:21 GMT

In article <Bu4EKs.95s@acsu.buffalo.edu> oispeggy@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown) writes:

>I'm only 6-8 weeks along, but starting to look into daycare.  I 
>plan to return to work full-time.

>One place I called charges $18/day, another $20/day.  At both
>places the parents supply milk/formula and diapers.

>I'm curious, what do other people pay for daycare?

>Thanks!

>- Peggy -

 I live in Irvine, California, and I have two children in daycare.  I pay 
$595/month for my 16 month old, and $460/month for my 3.5 year old.  I 
waited for over a year for an opening at the preschool which my older child 
attends.  I supply diapers and wipes for my toddler, lunch for my 
preschooler, and linens for both of them.  I pay the same amount regardless 
of vacations and absences due to illness.

- Cindy 
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: cathy@octel.com (Cathy Kearns)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: "Missing out" (was. re:  Justin...)
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:09:08 GMT
Organization: Octel Communications Inc., Milpitas Ca.

In article <6SEP199211200760@trentu.ca> bwolfe@trentu.ca (BEN WOLFE) writes:
>From _The Crying Baby_ by Sheila Kitzinger (New York: Viking, 1989)
>
>"It is often claimed that epidural anaesthesia does not affect the baby.
>In fact, when women ask, doctors often reassure them that bupivicaine --
>the drug most often used -- does not reach the baby since it is an
>injection only into the epidural space and does not cross the placenta.
>This is not true. Bupivicaine, especially in large doses and over a long
>period of time has been shown to reduce a baby's alertness and may
>modify the ability to orient to visual and auditory stimuli for as long
>as six weeks after birth. This in turn affects the developing relationship
>between the mother and her baby. A baby who does not interact with the
>mother in a lively way is cared for differently from one who is alert
>and responsive. One study suggests that interaction between the mother and
>child can be affected for many years, and that, following an epidural
>birth, even after five years the child's cognitive development is slightly
>slower."

By chance, did it go on to explain what would be considered a large
dose or a long period of time?  How can you tell if it affected the
baby's alertness? (I assume all babies would not have the same
alertness, as measured by some non-subjective means, even if they
all were delivered exactly the same.)  Could you post the cites from
the study about the interaction between the mother and child.  I'm
wondering how they determined that the drugs from the epidural 
affected the interaction between the mother and child, as opposed
to the guilt of the mother for having an epidural or other 
outside pressures.   Did it mention what percentage of children
born when the mothers used epidurals suffered from this delay
in cognitive development?      

						Cathy
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Amy Moseley Rupp)
Subject: Re: How Much Longer!!!!!!
Organization: Motorola Inc., Austin Tx.
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1992 17:24:41 GMT

OK, I've kept quiet for a while....

I'm 30.5 weeks pregnant and experiencing everything you are, except
that it sounds like I am already more uncomfortable.  I get up six
or seven times in a night to go to the bathroom.  The baby is big
for its gestational age, and pushes on my bladder AND my ribs.  Last
night it kept me up almost all night pushing and poking around.  I
feel sorry for it, because of the cramped quarters; it must be 
uncomfortable too!  It's really pretty stupid of Mother Nature to
draw out this gestation thing; both me and the baby are miserable!!!

Healthwise, I have been having trouble with high blood pressure and
protein in the urine, but nothing tremendously serious YET.  My
weight continues to skyrocket even though I am not eating more than
I did prepregancy.  Other than that, I am just exhausted from lack
of sleep (yes, I know that will continue after pregnancy, but I 
am hoping the continuous trips to the bathroom will go away).

I went to visit friends in the hospital who had just had a baby.  It
was fun cradling that little one, but hard to leave the maternity
ward just as pregnant as I waddled in!

Finally, the guilt factor creeps in...I'm only 30.5 weeks, so it wouldn't
be a good time for the baby to be born.  I keep thinking maybe if I keep
wanting to have this baby so much, it will come early!  (I know this
is just baloney, but I still think about it.)

My nursery is stocked and I'm ready to have this baby out my ear if that
is what it takes to get it out, but I don't know how to pass the time until
I'm due.

Impatiently awaiting November,

Amy (mom to the almost 4 lb. Critter)

On the other hand, I can't BELIEVE I have made it this far.
-- 
Amy Moseley Rupp			Needed:  one witty, appropriate,
amym@oakhill.sps.mot.com		businesslike .sig that will perfectly
(512) 329-7117				reflect my philosophy of life and will
11 weeks and counting			fit in four lines or less.
From: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Pacifiers
Date: 10 Sep 92 12:17:23 GMT
Reply-To: dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Diane Segelhorst)
Organization: Annapolis Detachment, CDNSWC

In misc.kids, bweiss@cs.arizona.edu (Beth Weiss) writes:
> reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>
|>  (By the way, pacifiers aren't recommended for very
|> young breastfeeding kids; supposedly, very young infants don't really grok
|> the difference between eating and just sucking, and may not get enough milk
|> if their sucking instinct is satisfied non-nutritively.
>
>I guess someone forgot to tell Jordan this.  He likes his pacifier,
>and he _loves_ to eat.  I think he's pushing 14 pounds--and he was 8
>weeks old yesterday.  I can't believe how big he's getting.

Carrie too - she has taken a pacifier since day 5 (after I spent from
midnight until 6 am straight nursing her because she wanted to suck
on an empty breast).  At twelve weeks, she is 14 pounds and still sucking
away.

>Big question: when do you stop offering the pacifier?  I hate to see
>an older child with one--and don't even like the way it hides Jordan's
>mouth now.   I don't want it to turn into his "lovey", but I don't
>want to take it from him if he still needs non-nutritive sucking.

I personally prefer the thumb to the pacifier for my kids sucking. (I
don't want to start that whole debate over again though!) At about 8
weeks, I started helping Carrie get her thumb into her mouth.  Now she
can consistently get it there herself in bed (no more getting up in
the night to give her pacifier back to her).  Now I hear her wake up,
fuss for just a few seconds, get her thumb i her mouth and suck herself
contentedly back to sleep. She is working on getting her thumb in her 
mouth when sitting up, though so far it's usually some part of her fist 
or her fingers.  In the car seat, when fussy, she still wants her pacifier.

Diane Segelhorst 
dsegelho@oasys.dt.navy.mil
Mom to Brad, 2.1 years, and Carrie, 12 weeks
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle)
Subject: Re: Caffeine during Pregnancy
Organization: The 23:00 News and Mail Service
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1992 22:59:52 GMT

In article <1992Sep11.154014.6644@devvax.mincom.oz.au> anita@devvax.mincom.oz.au (Anita Graham) writes:
>Re: giving up caffeine for pregnancy
>
>I think giving up caffeine (or alcohol, or even smoking) totally for the 
>period of pregnancy is going too far. Now I don't smoke, and rarely drink
>alcohol, but I rely on cups of tea to keep going, especially when I'm tired
>or sick. These times are more frequent during pregnancy.
>
>Sure, heavy smokers have little babies, and foetal alcohol syndrome exists
>- but these relate to HEAVY HEAVY smokers and total alcoholics don't they.
>Not someone who just has to have a smoke every now and then, or has a glass
>of wine once a week when they go out to dinner (*), or even has regular
>cups of tea or coffee.
>

Actually, they don't really know how much, if any, alcohol is "safe" during
pregnancy.  That's why most doctors say to eliminate it.  To be honest, if
you _need_ alcohol _to_be_sane_, then I'd guess that you have a _real_ 
problem.  I didn't drink during the first trimester, and only had one or
two glasses of wine for the rest of the time.  _I_ personally, consider
that to be "safe", but I have no data to support it.

And about smoking.  I don't know what _you_ consider a HEAVY smoker, but
I've heard that as little as one cigarette a day can harm the fetus.  
Tobacco is an addictive drug.  I know of very few people who "just have to 
have a smoke now and then".  It seems to be an all or nothing kind of
addiction for most folks.

>Cut down, but if its what keeps you sane, don't give up. Remember
>MODERATION!

If it keeps you sane, then find some other method of retaining sanity--
preferably one that's a bit more healthy for you and the fetus (not
to mention the rest of your family.

Surely, no drug is worth the risk to your unborn child, is it?

I'm not a fanatic or anything, but I can't see why eliminating harmful
drugs from your body for 9 months is so bad.

Jennifer
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Ordinarily I wouldn't post a response to a posting like this, but due to the
fact that the initial posting was cross-posted to so many different groups, I
feel that a response is warranted.  I worry that if I simply ignore this flame
(like I usually do to most flames) it isn't going to go away that easily.

I don't care to take part in this bigoted debate.  All I ask is that you get
this debate off of rec.music.phish.  I don't like to speak for a large group
of people without their consent, but I feel fairly confident in saying that
the vast majority of readers of rec.music.phish don't want this bullshit
being discussed there.  So if anybody wants to continue this discussion in
an appropriate newsgroup (not that I think that there is an appropriate
newsgroup for this discussion), feel free to do so.  But I politely request
that all future replies remove the cross posting to rec.music.phish.

- Rich Fromm
From: dlin@weber.ucsd.edu (Diane Lin)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Names
Date: 11 Sep 1992 03:56:19 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego
NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu

In article <19920910174855SASTLS@mvs.sas.com> SASTLS@mvs.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer) writes:
>>
>And to top it, my middle
>name is Lin (my mother is Linda).  No, we're not Chinese.  But I
>have been asked.  

Well, I *am* Chinese, and my last name is Lin, and I am constantly
amazed by the number of people who think it should be spelled
L-Y-N-N and who also insist on using it as my *first* name.  (Yes,
even if I'm standing right in front of them, in all my ethnic
splendor :-0.)  

As for the original posting, have you guys written to LeVar Burton
to tell him about your desire to name your son after him/his
character?  I bet he'd get a major kick out of it.  BTW, there's a
kid named Wesley in my playgroup, and I asked his mother if she
really liked that character in ST:TNG.  She didn't even *know* about
the young ensign!

-- 
Diane C. Lin			"Live now; make *now* always the
dlin@weber.ucsd.edu	         most precious time.  Now will 
(Dylan's mom, 21 months)	 never come again." (ST:TNG)