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From: citrin@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Citrin)
Subject: Re: UA Round the World Dropped
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:04:08 GMT

In article <1993Jan6.122541.11312@ohare.Chicago.COM> kls@ohare.Chicago.COM (Karl Swartz) writes:
>
>Sunday's Los Angeles Times notes that the dispute with ALPA only
>affects the new portion of the round-the-world offering, namely the
>Hong Kong - Delhi - London portion.  The other segments are already
>in operation and have been for some time.
>
>My guess is that there's some silly-ass bickering about whether
>pilots from the Atlantic or the Pacific divisions fly this portion,
>perhaps with the pilots insisting that since India is on neither of
>these oceans *neither* division's pilots can fly it.  

I asked a United flight attendant about this yesterday as I was flying
back from Hong Kong to SFO.  She said that the reason was the HKG-Delhi
segment.  The route will fly over the Himalayas, and United planned to use
767s on this route.  The pilots apparently refuse to fly a twin-engine plane
over the Himalayas since if an engine fails, they won't be able to maintain
the altitude necessary to cross the range.

Anyway, that's what she told me.

Wayne

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Wayne Citrin   citrin@soglio.colorado.edu   citrin@cs.colorado.edu
From: anaro@babel.ling.upenn.edu (Anthony J. Naro)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: request for info on accomdation in Madrid
Date: 5 Jan 93 21:33:19 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

Could anyone provide information on hotel or short-term apartment rental in
Madrid, for approximately 10 days from 20 Feb to 3 March 1993.  Private
bath required, Puerta del Sol area preferred but not essential.

A. Naro

Respuestas en ingles o espanol, por favor
anaro@babel.ling.upenn.edu

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: stefan@sinus.stgt.sub.org (Stefan Bechtold)
Subject: Re: North American Airport Codes
Organization: Sinus Stuttgart, Germany
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:20:10 GMT

kemme@jupiter.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Rainer Kemme) writes:


>Hi there,

>Once upon a long time ago, someone posted an ascii file containing
>a complete list of the North American Airport Codes. Unfortunately
>I destroyed this list.

>Can anybody tell me, where I can find this list (ftp-server).
>Maybe the provider of this list reads my posting and is willing to repost
>it, or will send it directely to me.
Please name ftp-server, or post or send it to me.


Thank you very much,
Stefan

-- 
+ Stefan Bechtold # stefanb@delos.stgt.sub.org # Voice +49 711 813240 +
++++++++sed nemo potuit tangere: merda fuit ! (Martial III 17)+++++++++
From: schuster@shpptl.edag.ptdg.sharp.co.jp (Bernd SCHUSTER)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Best seats on a 747-200 ?
Date: 8 Jan 93 05:11:58 GMT
Organization: Production Technology Lab., SHARP Corp., Tenri, Nara, Japan

In article <sjones.725918275@cunews> sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones) writes:
>In <1992Dec31.224326.28845@news.media.mit.edu> geek@media.mit.edu
>(Chris Schmandt) writes in response to a question about the 'besy
>seats' on a 427-200::
>
>>You probably want to sit "up top".  Your mileage may vary; on UA the
>
>On the airlines I have flown on 747s (AC, CP, KLM) these up top seats are
>business class (the class between economy and first).  Is is not the
>case with other airlines?

I used British Airways last year from Los Angeles to London on
economy-class (=world flyer) Q. We got 3 seats in the front row 
upstairs. Wonderful. No noise, videomonitor instead of videobeam
(good picture even when light is on) much space (compartments are also
below the window).

But this depends on the day of flight (number of people in
different classes). Normaly they have business class upstairs
and only some plains use it for economy.

Bernd Schuster
Sharp Corporation             University of Passau
Tenri, Nara, Japan            8390 Passau, Germany


Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: S107142@UMRVMA.umr.edu
Subject: Re: Re: American Express / Continental vouchers
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 03:09:25 GMT
Organization: Univ of MO - Rolla

I suggest you to make the reservation and buy the tickets form a travel agency.
It will not cost you more money(129 or 189)and you can get boarding pass
directly.  With boarding pass, there may be not necessary to show the coupons
and/or ID during the check-in process.  I hope somebody can offer more infor-
mation or experience in this topic.
EOF
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: dgrove@dawn.cs.rice.edu (Dan D Grove)
Subject: Re: American Express / Continental vouchers
Organization: Rice University, Houston
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 13:53:34 GMT

In article <1993Jan10.000147.305@math.ucla.edu> eschimme@oak.math.ucla.edu (Erne
>
>Does anyone out there have experience using someone else's
>American Express / Continental vouchers (the ones that come
>with the student deal)?
>
>This would involve a woman using a voucher with a male name
>on it.

From my experience, you REALLY don't want to do this. Every time I've
used the vouchers in the past year, they have let me get on the
outgoing leg without a hitch. On the way back (in Tucson, Seattle, and
Aspen) they have asked for ID. In Tucson, they asked me for ID when
I checked in and when I went to board the plane! I suspect that you
would be really screwed and have to by an expensive one-way ticket back,
among other things.

The fact that a woman would be travelling with a male name makes it all
the more unlikely that it would work.

--
Dan Grove                   |       Rice University
Phone: (713) 524-6571       |       Dept. of Computer Science
Fax: (713) 285-5136         |       Houston, TX  77251-1892

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,rec.travel.marketplace
From: tsenhung@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Tsen-yu Hung)
Subject: Re: United Upgrade Coupons for Sale
Followup-To: United Upgrade Coupons for Sale
Originator: news@nimaster
Keywords: United Airlines, Upgrade Coupon
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 19:41:34 GMT

I would like to offer now the book of four (4) United Airlines
1000-Miles Upgrade Coupons for 
       
     $55 for all four 
          -or-
        $15 each

Thank you very much for your time and consideration,
Tsen-Yu
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank)
Subject: Changing Names on an International Freq. Flier Ticket
Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com
Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 10:56:12 GMT

My wife has a round trip ticket for a flight on Swissair from Chicago
to Geneva.  She got this ticket through United's frequent flier 
program.  Unfortunately, the ticket was for a flight in November.  I
inconveniently needed surgery, and she cancelled her trip.  What can we 
do with this ticket?

United keeps telling us that their rules say that we cannot change the
name on the ticket, so we can't give it away to anyone else.  If it
were a domestic flight we could get the miles back, but it's not a
domestic flight.  We can change the destination and go anywhere Swissair
flies in Europe (until next November), but we only have one ticket,
and the person she was going to meet is no longer there.  

We don't want to have to buy another ticket so we both can go because
we really don't feel like going to europe.  On the other hand, there
are a couple of friends or relatives that could use a single ticket to
europe.  We'd hate to just flush 40,000 miles down the toilet.

Has anyone out there been able to stretch these rules, or does anyone
know of a way to change the name on the ticket?  Any advice would
be appreciated.   


-- 
Doug Bank                       Private Systems Division
dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com          Motorola Communications Sector
dougb@nwu.edu                   Schaumburg, Illinois
dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu       708-576-8207                    
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: KAPLAN@YaleADS.CIS.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: Sinus Pressure--help!
Organization: Yale University
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 17:11:50 EST

In article <12JAN199309543905@vax2.concordia.ca>
wes@vax2.concordia.ca (Wes Schyngera) writes:
 
>
>On a recent flight, the change in pressure (on descent) caused
>such incredible pain in my sinus cavities that I almost cried! My
>eardrums felt like they were going to explode and my eyes like they
>were going to pop right out! Could some seasoned air traveller out
>there PLEASE suggest a remedy (chew gum? take a Sinutab?)--I'm
>really dreading flying again because of this. Please send responses
>by e-mail as I don't monitor this group.
>Thanks,
>
 
I only know what *DOESN'T* work, because I have this problem all the
time on descent.  Nasal sprays (e.g., Afrin) don't work for me, neither
to decongestant tabs, neither does holding my nose and mouth shut and
trying to force air into my ears, neither does hot, moist
cotton balls in plastic drinking glasses.
 
Sometimes chewing gum and yawning work a bit.  Also, some planes are
much worse than others - the Boeing 737 is the worst of all.  Must be
the depressurization allowed.
 
If someone knows REALLY knows the answer (besides surgery) please post
to the net in addition to the original poster - you will do a great
public service.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: cid@athena.mit.edu (Derek H Cedillo)
Subject: 20% Continental Discount Coupons.  Best Offer
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:12:09 GMT

get 20% off any airfare with CO
Only restriction is that the original fair exceeds $250

Contact me with offers.


Derek
From: dan.fromm@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Dan Fromm) 
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: rebating commission
Date: 11 Jan 93 13:47:00 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: Ed Hopper's BBS - Berkeley Lake, GA - 404-446-9462
Reply-To: dan.fromm@ehbbs.gwinnett.com (Dan Fromm) 

My travel agent (Pennsylvania Travel, Paoli, PA, and now that I need it
I don't have their 800 #) rebates 5% or so for cutting the ticket.  You
find the deal and make the reservation.  It seems to me that they make
their money on (1) half the commission and (2) the float between the
time they collect and the time (takes about a month) they pay you.
                                 
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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: black@westford.ccur.com (Samuel Black)
Subject: Re: Flight times and the Jet Stream
Organization: Concurrent Computer Corp.  Westford, MA
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 20:57:54 GMT


Just to give you some idea, these are the winds aloft forecasts from Boston
to San Fransicso for 31000, 34000, and 39000 feet at 00:00 UTC on 1/8/93:

	31000		34000		39000
	-----		-----		-----
BOS	260 @ 109 kts	260 @ 123 kts	260 @ 130 kts
ALB	260 @ 110 kts	260 @ 124 kts	260 @ 133 kts
SYR	250 @ 105 kts	260 @ 120 kts	260 @ 131 kts
BUF	250 @ 100 kts	250 @ 115 kts	250 @ 129 kts
ECK	250 @  98 kts	250 @ 107 kts	250 @ 115 kts
MKG	240 @ 102 kts	240 @ 103 kts	250 @ 103 kts
DBQ	250 @ 100 kts	250 @  95 kts	260 @  88 kts
MCW	260 @  92 kts	260 @  86 kts	270 @  79 kts
ONL	290 @  68 kts	290 @  68 kts	280 @  64 kts
BFF	290 @  61 kts	290 @  67 kts	290 @  60 kts
MBW	280 @  49 kts	280 @  53 kts	290 @  61 kts
RKS	260 @  31 kts	270 @  39 kts	280 @  58 kts
SLC	240 @  19 kts	270 @  38 kts	280 @  62 kts
ELY	260 @  46 kts	270 @  65 kts	280 @  84 kts
BIH	270 @  83 kts	270 @ 103 kts	280 @ 108 kts
SFO	270 @  88 kts	270 @  98 kts	270 @ 101 kts

So, as you can see, the winds tend to be around 100 knots (particularly
in the flatlands) directly out of the west (240 - 290).  That gives a
ground speed difference of around 200 knots, which can substantially
change the flight times!

		- sam black
		  PP/ASEL

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Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: chang@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Bernard Chang)
Subject: Re: Flight times and the Jet Stream
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 20:24:32 GMT

Just out of curiosity, wouldn't it make sense then to keep flying eastward
for both legs of a round trip between two points about half a world (literally)
apart? Does any airlines do this for any routes? Thanks.


Bernard Chang.
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,soc.culture.indian
From: ilango@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (thirumalaiswamy.ilango)
Subject: Need good discount travel agent for British airways
Organization: AT&T
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 23:38:14 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Keywords: travel agent British airways


Hello,
 I need a good discount travel agent specilizing in British airways. The
ticket will be from Newyork to Madras, India. Please send me email. Thanks.

Ilango
ilango@cbnewsd.att.com
att!cbnewsd.att.com!ilango
From: bkush@us.oracle.com
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Seats/Re: Boarding Passes
Date: 7 Jan 93 20:14:55 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation, USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those
              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.

There is a new twist to seat assignments with Delta for sure and I am sure
other airlines do it too.  Delta is going to hold/reserve some of the better
seats for there Medallion level flyers.  I am not sure if hold/reserve is the
best wording, but their word to there frequent flyers, ie. Medallion and 
Royal Medallion, is that with this status you have a better chance to get a 
good seat.  I heard that the way to accomplish this is to book a Medallion
flyer in the window and then another in the aslie.  Then fill the rest of the
plane and fill the middle seats between the Medallion flyers last.  Therefore
you chance of having a open middle seat is greater.

Also when you are put on a standby, the Medallion flyers jump to the top of 
the list as well.

As for holding up the plane because you did not get the seat you requested
when you paid a few hundred dollars..... think about the people on the plane
that paid over a $1000 and want to get there.  What do you think the little
bag in the seat pocket in front of you is for.

Just my thoughts....
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: philip@mentorg.com (Philip Peake)
Subject: Re: Best seats on a 747-200 ?
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1993 23:43:21 GMT
Organization: Mentor Graphics
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <macucci.725993333@ceg.uiuc.edu>, macucci@ceg.uiuc.edu (Massimo Macucci) writes:
|> sjones@alfred.carleton.ca (Stan Jones) writes:
|> 
|> >In <1992Dec31.224326.28845@news.media.mit.edu> geek@media.mit.edu
|> >(Chris Schmandt) writes in response to a question about the 'besy
|> >seats' on a 427-200::
|> 
|> >>You probably want to sit "up top".  Your mileage may vary; on UA the
|> 
|> >On the airlines I have flown on 747s (AC, CP, KLM) these up top seats are
|> >business class (the class between economy and first).  Is is not the
|> >case with other airlines?
|> 
|> No, at least with British Airways they are Economy class and very comfortable.
|> I seem to remember that the same happens with Air France (but I'm not sure),
|> while with Alitalia they are "Top Class"(sort of a First class, I believe).

Depends on the 747 type.
Older 747's used by BA are Club (Buisness) class.
Newer 747-400's are peasant (economy) class.

The Club class seats upstairs on BA flights are inferior (no foot rest).
Luggage stowage is also inferior - a side compartment replacing the
(nice, big) overhead compartments.

I seem to remember that KLM have the same seats in their upstairs
buisness class as downstairs.

Generaly, with both BA and KLM, the service is slightly better
upstairs, since you have a "captive" person to look after you.

Philip
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: sdr57@cas.org ()
Subject:  Traveling to Japan
Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service, Columbus, Ohio
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 21:07:47 GMT


I hope to be going to Japan sometime this fall, and I would
appreciate advice on airlines and information on things a
first-time traveller to Japan should know about airports,
etc. (I may also go to Hong Kong if my schedule permits -
my friends are urging this on me - so information on this
would also be appreciated.)

Thanks.
******************************************************************************
Renegade academician. They're a dangerous breed when they go feral,
academics are...a chemist, too.
		    -(James P. Blaylock in "Lord Kelvin's Machine")

My organization hasn't agreed with any of my opinions so far, and
I doubt they'll start now.

Stanley Roberts
From: snozer@cats.ucsc.edu (Daniel Craig Jalkut)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Clergy Discounts
Date: 6 Jan 1993 11:46:53 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu


It's mentioned in the "How To Get Cheap Airline Tickets" FAQ that 
card carrying members of the clergy can get notable discounts on
airline tickets, but there is no explanation or support for the 
claim given.  Has anyone here ever actually flown as a discounted 
clergy member? If so, what were the discounts like, and does anyone
know which airlines offer discounts like these?

Rev. Daniel C. Jalkut
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 11:04:03 EST
From: <HRL@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Pittsburgh -> London -> Rome ?

What is the best way to travel by air from Pittsburgh to London in
the summer?  After the summer, what is the best way to travel from
London to Rome?  After the Fall semester, what is the best way to
return from Rome to Pittsburgh?

Alternative:  What is the best way to travel by air from Pittsburgh
to Rome in January?  What is the best way to travel from Rome to
London in the summer?  After the summer, what is the best way to
travel from London to Pittsburgh?

In terms of time-of-year weather, etc., which of the two alternatives
is the best?  January-to-Summer in Rome?  -or- End of Summer-to-End of
Fall in Rome?

I know this is a bit complicated to sort out, but it would be very
helpful to my son.  He is planning to be in Rome during the next
academic year.

Thanks very much in advance.
Howard
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: lvbcheng@athena.mit.edu (Beethoven Cheng)
Subject: request for info on consolidators
Followup-To:  usa
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 06:17:21 GMT

Also, I read somewhere that one should be wary of the
'bucket shops' that advertise in the NY Times. Can
anyone confirm this? ARE there good ones and if so,
how can they be reached?

Thanks.

-Beethoven Cheng

Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,rec.travel
From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
Subject: Setting expectations (again)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:29:07 GMT
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA



   I hardly got any response to my earlier question on this 
   so I'm trying again in a shorter form.

   On our recent trip to Huahine, Bora Bora, and Moorea
   ("Tahiti") we had a good time except that the hotels
   we stayed in (Sofitels) were truly awful by the standards
   of fine international hotels, especially at their prices:
   $200 - $300+ a night.    Yet all our guide books raved
   about them and in many tour companies' price guides they
   were always in the best (and most expensive) categories
   in the islands.

   My question is:  Could we have gotten our expectations set better?  

   What's the right philosophy to have once you're in that
   situation?   How do you keep from becoming an Ugly American,
   ranting and raving at the hotel management?  How do you
   keep from muttering and cursing as you smear DEET (mosquito
   repellant) over every inch of your body and trying to sleep
   on top of sweat-soaked, sandy, same-sheets-as-yesterday 
   and thinking "I'm paying $250 a night for this?!"

   Some guests, especially the Europeans, who were just as 
   scratching and bitten-up and bleary-eyed the next morning 
   as we were, nonetheless seemed to have a better attitude.  
   How do they do this?  


---peter

   
   
   
   
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: coady@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Coady Michael)
Subject: Looking for courier possibilities from Montreal.
Organization: Universite de Montreal
Distribution: na 
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:16:57 GMT

	I'm looking for information for a friend, who wants to travel 
from Montreal to London (U.K.) and return, via courier service.  If
anyone knows of any reputable courier services in Montreal, I'd appreciate
hearing from you via e-mail, since I am not a regular reader of this
group.

Mike Coady
COADY@ERE.UMONTREAL.CA
From: eli@cisco.com (Steve Elias)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
Subject: Re: Flight times and the Jet Stream / nonsmoking question
Date: 11 Jan 93 10:53:36
Organization: cisco Systems
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: glare.cisco.com
In-reply-to: djablon@athena.mit.edu's message of Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:56:47 GMT


headwinds can slow a east->west flight by 100 mph or more.
my recent nonstop flights from SFO-BOS showed this.
eastbound, the flight was 4 hours 45 minutes.
pilot reported tailwinds of 100mph

westbound, the flight was about 6 hours 45 minutes,
pilot reported headwinds of 130 mph.

also, i have always heard that the rule for nosmoking was
"no smoking on domestic flights under 6 hours".  i asked
the flight attendants about this 6 hour restriction and if it
was real.  they replied that there is no 6 hour cutoff, that
all domestic flights must be nonsmoking, regardless of duration.
can anyone confirm this?  this was on Northwest and since they
were nosmoking before the law, i wonder if maybe i got wrong info
from them.

/eli
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air
From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)
Subject: Segment free ticket deals return/cheap Euro fares
Organization: Interleaf
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 01:04:59 GMT

Surprised there haven't been any posts on either of these topics...

Based on ads in the paper yesterday and today, the airlines are doing
a repeat of last quarter's "Fly 8 segments, get a time limited free
US round trip/16 segments for Hawaii or Europe or two US rd. trips"
promotion. Yesterday's paper had an ad by American, with the dates
of segment travel being roughly 1/4/93 - 4/4/93 (don't have it in
front of me, so the end date may be off by a day or so). Travel on
the free ticket has to be between Sept. 1 '93 and December 21 '93.

In today's paper, USAir did the same offer, but with some extras. The
8 segments can be exchanged for either 10,000 extra miles in your account
(halfway to a non-time restricted US round trip), 11 first class upgrades,
or a US/Canada/Carribean/Mexico round trip with option to buy a companion
ticket for $200. 16 segments ups the ante to London/Paris/Frankfurt
with option for a companion ticket for $300. Note that Sept. through
Oct. 15th is still considered prime travel season for Europe.

TWA was doing a bit different promotion, with the potential to get
50,000 bonus miles. Since I don't fly TWA, I didn't note details.

Anyone know what, if anything, the other airlines are doing to match?

And at least in Boston, Virgin Atlantic announced a $93 one-way, $186
round trip fare to London. Sale started at 0700 EST Monday, and according
to one source the phone was consistently busy through at least 0730.
It lasts this week and travel must be completed by February 28th.

tyg   tyg@hq.ileaf.com
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