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From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Subject: Re: lyrics..
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 23:40:35 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA
Keywords: prana sakhi njaan....

In article <1992Sep30.033651.11379@news.acns.nwu.edu> jagadish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Parameswaran Iyer) writes:
>
>I want the lyrics of the song which goes as follows:
>
>praana sakhi njaan verum oru..........paatukaran
>gana loka vedi.............venu oodum aatidayan
>
>ennum .....thaamasikkan ente koode .....
>
>Long time since I heard this song and therefore it is possible even the lines I
>have attempted to reproduce are wrong. corrections are welcome

Looks like you already know this. I will give my version of it below. I
really love this song. It's pretty slow but really sweet. I wish I could
hear Yesudas' ganamela now!

	pRaaNasakhee... pRaa-Nasakhee
	pRaaNasakhi nJaan veRumoru paamaranaam paattukaaran
	gaanalOka veetdikaLil vENuvoothum-aattidayan
	pRaaNasakhi nJaa-n

	enkilumennOmanaaLkku thaamasikkan-enkaraLil
	thanka-kinaakkaL kondoru thaajamahaaL nJaanorukkaam
	maayaattha madhuragaana maaliniyude kalpadavil
	kaaNaattha poonkudilil kaNmaniye kondupOkaam

				pRaaNasakhi..

	ponthivarum sankalpatthin ponnasOka malaRvaniyil
	chanthamezhum chandrikathan chanthanamaNimanDiratthil
	sunDaravasantharaavil inDraneela maNdapatthil
	ennumennum thaamasikkan ente koode pOrumO nee


>
>In my earlier posting I had asked for the lyrics of 
>
>vikaara barithayumaayi thiramaalakal aadi ulanju
>kaneer uppu kalarna oru manalil veli pudava......
>rakili pon makale nin poo... yaatra mozhi aano nin mounam
>
>
>I hope this will give the netters an idea the song i was looking for. 
>
>Anxiously awaiting the lyrics of both the songs.
>
>Thanking you in advance.
>
>j

Still no idea!

Enjoy,

Mathai
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Mathai Chundatt            mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: s910700@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Mareena Joseph)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: A short story
Summary: story, comedy.
Keywords: story
Date: 1 Oct 92 06:31:04 GMT

Hi netters,

  I remember reading a short story in Vanitha magazine 3 years back, written
by one of my friend's father, Habeeb Valapad. Its theme was as follows:

  The boy's father and other relatives came along with the boy to the girl's
house for the "pennukanal". After the pennukanal, they started talking the
so called 'dowry' business. The boy's father demanded for 10 lakhs cash, then
Maruti car (that's the fashion now), double storey building, etc. as the boy
is a professionalist. The girl's father agreed for all their demands without
uttering a single word. The boy's father and relatives were so happy. At the
end, it was time for the boy's party to leave. When they were about to get into
the car, the girl's father told them, 'you people didn't forget to demand so 
many things and I agreed. But you forgot to ask for the most valuable one, 
even if you ask, I'm not going to give you anyway.' The boy's party were stunned
and they checked with each other whether they'd forgotten anything. No, they
couldn't find anything. Then the girl's father told them, 'you forgot to ask
for my daughter and you were only thinking of money matters out of your greed.'

Peace and be cool. Thanks.

MJN (Bindu).

Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: dowry
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:52:03 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.030613.10594@news.acns.nwu.edu> jagadish@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Parameswaran Iyer) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
>I remember asking a friend of mine about his opinion on this issue. His
>explanation was interesting. He said in his religion, women don't inherit the
>property of their parents. Therefore dowry system was used to ensure that they
>get their share. So he felt that vindicates that practice.

A friend of mine had this nice excuse for demanding dowry. He said, his family
paid a lot of money as dowry to his 4 sisters.. so it's his duty to get some
of it back...

You can't argue with logic like that, can you?

>j

see, 4 lines not counting blanks! make that 5!!!

Njan
From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: dowry
Keywords: dowry
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:04:00 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <14838@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au> s910700@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Mareena Joseph) writes:
>
>  Infact, giving and getting dowry are crimes according to the Indian law.

This should be revoked, if such a law exists.

>The people involved in it, like groom and his parents, and girl's parents

What about the bride?

>will be arrested if there is anyone who is courageous enough to complain
>against them, i.e. like a witness. Even if the police knows what is going
>on, they cannot take action unless there is at least one so called 'witness',
>else the case will be pointless. But due to the lack of knowledge about the
>law for ordinary people, and due to the influence of rich men in the society,
>no one will come forward to complain, and thus start a new revolution. Even
>if there is someone to come forward against a rich man, he can 'stop' him in
>all meaning with his great influence. Our society is so much corrupted; 

Only rich people give and take dowry? I thought the problem was worse in
the case of the poor and the middle class.

Think of yourself as a girl who flunked SSLC for the n'th time. You want
a husband who can support you. What right do you have to ask him to
support you if you hadn't brought wealth with you. It is a fact that in
kerala the husband is always more educated and capable than the wife.

>people need self-realization to stop everything in the real life today.

Uh...

>There is indeed a long way to go.
>
>MJN (Bindu),
>RMIT.
> 
>+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>| innalekku oru charithramundu, nalekku oru sathyavum; randum nammude kaivasam |
>|      illa; pinnenthu prayojanam ? athukondu innine mathram snehikkuka.       |
>+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>

Mathai
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Mathai Chundatt            mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Mammootty vs. Mohanlal vs. ......
Keywords: mammootty, mohanlal, etc.
Date: 2 Oct 92 17:47:55 GMT
Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA

In article <14835@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au> s910700@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Mareena Joseph) writes:
>Hi netters,
>
>    It looks like most netters are Mohanlal 'fans'!

No way!

>
>    Mammootty or Mohanlal better ? Why only those two ?! There are other 'hero'
>actors too, like Jayaram, SureshGopi, Mukesh, Saikumar, Innocent, Asokan, etc.
>    Well, to my opinion, both are good to do certain type roles, and not that
>good enough to do some other roles. (PEACE PLEASE !! Listen to what I've to say
>first; I'm not a 'fan' of any of those two nor any other actors).
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Too bad.

>face which fascinates others like a child. It is their talent that has to be 
>accepted and admired.

Mohanlal is only good for 'painkiLi' roles.

>to other state actors, just compare few of their movies which were remade in
>other Indian languages. Mammootty's 'aavanazhi' was remade in telungu, one
>telungu actor acting in it, and he is too far distant from Mammootty. The same
>case when Mammootty's 'newdelhi' was remade in Hindi, Jeetendra  doing the role
>'G.K.', you can feel the difference between an elephant and a goat; Jeetendra
>is a big zero. Similarly, Lal's 'vandhanam', 'T.P.Balagopalan M.A', etc were
>remade in Tamil (the remade one of 'vandhanam' is 'sambhavam', I forgot the 
>other one's name), and Mohanlal is a megastar compared to the Tamil actor (I
>think his name is Murali or something).

No need of comparison. Seeing movies made in other languages, especially
hindi, nauseates me. Hence it is a long time I saw a hindi movie in
full. That is why I am so happy now!

>    Infact, Malayalam movie world is blessed with all the good actors _
>Mammootty, Mohanlal, Thilakan, Srinivasan, Jayaram, SureshGopi, etc etc. We,
>Malayalees, have to be proud on all of them. (In '89, Mammootty won the

You bet!

>
>PEACE !
>Be cool. Thanks.
>MJ Neyyarappally (Bindu),
>RMIT, Melbourne.
>
>+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>| swapnangalkku maduramundayirikkam; ennal jeevithaththil maduram kuravayirikk |
>| um; swapnam kandu jeevitham nasippikkaruthu; swapnam kandu rasikkuka mathram |
>|  				cheyyuka.				       |
>+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 

The signature changes like a chameleon.

Onthinte swabhaavamaNennu thOnnunnu.

Regards,

Mathai


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Mathai Chundatt            mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
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Subject: ASIAN MATRIMONIAL SERVICES, INC.
Reply-To: gulati@access.digex.com
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt MD USA
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 20:11:55 GMT

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: What is this Ravi/Mathai dispute?!!?
From: skumar@eagle.wesleyan.edu
Date: 25 Sep 92 12:44:00 EDT
Organization: Wesleyan University


In article <1992Sep24.233914.8974@adx.adelphi.edu>, dm6674f90@auvax1.adelphi.ed
u (DILEEP MAKKUNI) writes:
> 
> 	And guess what, priyapetta nattukare (very bad English translation
                                                               ~~~~~~~~~~~
transliteration!
> 

> *************************************--*
|"Parithranaya sadhoonam,vinashayaja 
|dushkritham dharmasamsthapanaya       *
|sambavami yuge yuge" - The Gita       *
>***************************************

taan aredo? Vishnuvinte latest avataramo?   
chumma,
WONKO, THE SANE ( offer still open- trans. to mal. anyone?)

#########################################################################
Ravi might masquerade as a PhenoMENON. Too bad Mathai could not be  deboNAIR!
- Old Jungle Saying. 
(Phantom komiks okke vaayichirinno atho Target IIT mugging aayirinno?)
############################################################################
From: be952@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Alukal)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: Chala or Mathi (Re: Kerala, delicates:)
Date: 27 Sep 1992 23:02:57 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: be952@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Alukal)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, paulchem@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (Atharvan) says:

>1] Hmm, at long last another Paul.

	Sure, originally from Chengal, near Kalady, but born and
brought up in Trichur (Where else)?

>   On a related note, the aila, is a delicious fish too.
>   Does anyone know the english name for this fish ?

	It is called Mackerel. In NJ, some Indian shops
carry them (frozen, from India), and in other local fish shops,
they get a similar one from the Atlantic ocean, little longer in size 
(called Spanish Mackerel).  Taste is not as good as the Indian Aila.

====================================================================
Paul Alukal				East Brunswick, NJ
The Population Council
NYC 

paul@popcbr.rockefeller.edu  be952@cleveland.freenet.edu 
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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: -- The Psychology of a Net-Writer: Part II -- by Jose
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: alt.culture.kerala
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 02:45:25 GMT

In article <Eem_Jg_00WB2JkK5F7@andrew.cmu.edu> sudha+@CMU.EDU (Sudha Neelakantan) writes:
>Hey,
>
>You really missed the key point : Net-Writers basically don't have a
>life.  so they get a vicarious life this way by posting.

amen!

>join the club.
>Sudha

Njan
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: annie@cc.uow.edu.au (annie george)
Subject: Dowry system
Summary: dowry
Keywords: dowry
Organization: University Of Wollongong
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 03:23:58 GMT

In mordern times the traditional custom of 'sreedhanam' (which
 I think was good and fair) has been completely corrupted 
and evolved into what is refered to as 'dowry'.

Do all communities in Kerala have this dowry system? 
Or is it only the protestant/catholic guys, who are willing to sell
themselves to the highest bidder?

Annie.

Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: sphilip@cs.ulowell.edu (Sheela B. Philip)
Subject: Re: Sweet & Old Malayalaganangal
Organization: University of Massachusetts at Lowell Computer Science
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 15:59:12 GMT

In article <1992Oct5.213751.10204@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mchundat@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu) writes:
>Title:	mOham
>Film: chill~
>Sung by: Yesudas
>	also Janaki
>
>
>	oruvattam koodiyennORmmakaL mEyunna
>	thirumuttatthetthuvaan mOham
>	thirumuttatthorukONil nilkkunnoraanelli
>	maramonnulutthuvaan mOham
>	maramonnulutthuvaan mOham
>
>	adarunna kaaymaNikaL pozhiyunbOL chennedutth
>	athilonnu thinnuvaan mOham
>	sukhamezhum kaippum puLippum madhuravum
>	nukaruvaanippOzhum mOham
>	thodiyile kiNaRveLLam kOrikkudicchenthu
>	madhuramennOthuvaan mOham
>
>	oruvattam koodiyaa puzhayude theeratth
>	veRuthe-yirikkuvaan mOham
>	veRutheyirunna kuyilinte pattukEtt-
>	ethiR paattu paaduvaan mOham
>	ethiR paattu paaduvaan mOham
>	athukELkke ucchatthil paadum kuyilinte
>	Sruthi pinthudaruvaan mOham
>	oduvil piNanGi paRannupOkum pakshiyOd
>	aruthEyennOthuvaan mOham
>	aruthEyennOthuvaan mOham
>	
>	oruvattam koodiyennORmmakaL mEyunna
>	thirumuttatthetthuvaan mOham...
>
>Enjoy,
>
>Mathai
>-- 
>
>
>Mathai Chundatt            mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu
>==================================================================

Hi Mathai,
Isn't there a couple of line at the end that goes something like this:

Verutheyee Mohangal Ennariyumbozhum
Veruthe Mohikkuvan Moham
Veruthe Mohikkuvan MOham.

Thanks a lot for the rest of the words,  I really enjoyed it.

Yours Truly,
Ben Philip
bphilip@lynx.northeastern.edu
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP)
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous :-)
Originator: tphili@c00405-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu
Keywords: questions
Reply-To: tphili@eos.ncsu.edu (TEEBU  PHILIP)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1992 20:04:34 GMT


>I.  Most of the malayalees here are famous for 2 main things : (i) gossip,
>and (ii) competition with other Indian, esp. Malayali families to buy all 
>the show pieces and arrange parties to show their so called "profits" of life.
>(Perhaps in NSW and other states of Australia, the Malayalees might be different
>from that of here as they are not strange ! Peace !!) :-)

I have lived in North Carolina all my life.  I have only been to NY, Washington,
and the other big east coast Malayalee meccas a few times.  Yet, even for the
small circle of Malayalees here in NC, this last statement seems to be true.
Why is this?


>III. One of our family friends in Trichur has a daughter and a son; the father
>is working in Malaysia and the mother is a teacher. The daughter finished her
>M.A., and the parents started finding a boy for her. BTW, the girl is very
>beautiful and parents are very rich; they are Nairs. And one proposal, the
>boy's family demanded for 5 lakhs, and her father replied, 'I'd thought about
>giving more than that to my daughter as half of my wealth goes to her, and as
>now you need only 5 lakhs, what will I do with the rest that I thought about
>giving her ?!' :-)

This whole concept of dowry is really strange to me.  As stated before, I have
lived in NC all my life.  I dont understand why a "beautiful" girl has
to pay 5 lakhs(unsure how much this amount is) to marry some guy.  It would
seem to me, that if she is such a catch, then guys would be willing to pay
a dowry the other way???

I ask these questions not to denigrate the Kerala way of life, but merely to
understand why it is?  I was born here in NC, and lived here my entire life.
These questions have always puzzled me.


Teebu

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Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: Lyrics (pranasakhi ....)
Keywords: lyrics
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 04:17:09 GMT

In article <14828@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au> s910700@yallara.cs.rmit.OZ.AU (Mareena Joseph) writes:
>
>_ pranasakhi njan verumoru ..
	     ^^^^^
>pamaranam pattukkaran .. _ (2)

Hey, you got it all wrong... I'm neither pamaran nor pattukaran.

>MJ Neyyarappally (Bindu),

Njan
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
From: manu@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU (K. S. Manu)
Subject: Re: dowry
Keywords: dowry
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 01:57:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.170400.27188@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Mathai Chundattu) writes:
>
>Think of yourself as a girl who flunked SSLC for the n'th time. You want
>a husband who can support you. What right do you have to ask him to
>support you if you hadn't brought wealth with you. It is a fact that in
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

How about paying for the services then? You know the stuff like cleaning the
house, cooking and providing entertainment for the night and so on...

hmm.... not a bad idea, don't you think?

>Mathai Chundatt            mchundat@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu

Njan
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 14:50:20 -0400 
From: Sudha Neelakantan <sudha+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: -- The Psychology of a Net-Writer: Part II -- by Jose
Distribution: alt.culture.kerala

Hey,

You really missed the key point : Net-Writers basically don't have a
life.  so they get a vicarious life this way by posting.
join the club.
Sudha

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
   Sudha K. Neelakantan     < Clouds come floating into my life,  
    The Heinz School of      \ no longer to carry rain or usher storm   
Public Policy and Management  \ but to add color to my sunset sky.
      Carnegie Mellon          >    - Rabindranath Tagore -
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: joseph@emmax5crd.ge.com (joseph)
Newsgroups: alt.culture.kerala
Subject: Re: -- The Psychology of a Net-Writer: Part I -- by Jose
Date: 5 Oct 92 17:15:47 GMT
Reply-To: joseph@emmax5crd.ge.com (joseph)
Followup-To: alt.culture.kerala
Organization: GE Research


In article <1992Oct01.040011.17681@watson.ibm.com>, kailath@prema.aix.kingston.ibm.com writes:
>>     Now, the problem is the silent majority.  It has been estimated
>>     (by yours truly, nobody else) that there are 23.7 people who read
>>     the articles for every person who posts something on the net.  This
>>     silent majority do not post anything for one or more of the following:
>>
>>     a. have nothing to say  (not a valid reason, as I explained above)
>>     b. Is too shy to post something (Get a hold of yourself ! what are
>>        you afraid of ?)
>  I was one of those silent majority. But the reason was none
>of the above. It was because the machine I used to read the
>news from  has no permisson to post, but only to read. But
>recently I changed the server machine to one that I can post
>also, only because I found people from the same background on
>this group

  Hi there, Dominic !! Good to see you up on the news !!

  Of course, I knew YOU are afraid of nothing.  I was just talking about
  the rest of the population - you know, the 22.7 people who don't post,
  (for each person who posts something.)

  another reason that many people don't post/read ACK may be that many
  universities and other organizations do not carry groups with
  "alt.*" names.  any ideas to overcome this problem ???? anyone ???

  The proper solution to that problem would be to graduate ACK to SCK.
  But I think we are too weak in numbers to do that.

  james joseph               joseph@c2a.crd.ge.com