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Date:         Wed, 9 Sep 1992 05:17:02 EDT
From:         gaynet@GALLIFREY.KENT.EDU
Subject:      GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 15

In this issue:
                bevans, twpierce reply to anonymous gay
                                  HELP
                            ethics question
                              Phranc in NY
                             Missing Issues
                  Miss Manners on Gays in the Military
                    GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 14
                   The Apotheosis of Sandra Bernhard
                             Dear Anonymous
                          No Sale W/L.L. Bean
                                Testing!
        Victorian discrimination amendments delayed by election
                           An ethics question
                        USA Weekend Poll, et al.
                  World's First Bottom Found in ALPS!
                            ethical dilemma
                           An ethics question

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Date: 08 Sep 1992 13:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: BSPIVEY@ROCKY.CLAREMONT.EDU
Subject: Re: bevans, twpierce reply to anonymous gay

Thanks so much for your prompt reply to the anonymous gay who worried
about superficiality, objectification, and narcissism in gay male
society.  We always need folks like you who can burp up the exact
politically correct truths ("Unjust stereotyping!", "Gays are no
more pre-disposed ...", etc...) when uncomfortable questions like this
come up.

The meat market is part of American culture, and many gay men are
caught up in it.  Cruel humor is part of American culture, and many
gay men value their fluency in it.

To "anonymous": Good for you for raising the question.  Now get over
it.  Go after what you want bravely, with your eyes open to things as
they really are, holding onto your soul with both hands.  Kiss a few
toads, admit you have an anus, and that you'll make more mistakes than
you can count, no matter how you play it.  You'll find that gay life
gradually teaches you how to be human, just like any other approach
you might take to living.

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 15:17:28 -0500
From: mclaughlin%lock.dnet@aio.MIT.EDU
Subject: HELP

Please don't post, but I've recently stopped receiving gaynet! It's listed as a
 bogus usergroup all of the sudden. HELP ! What do I do? Please respond to:(get
 ready) aio::"mclaughlin%lock.dnet@aio.jsc.nasa.gov"

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Date:         Tue, 8 Sep 92  16:39:59 CDT
From: jjscally <JJSCALLY%UKANVM.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject:      ethics question

How do you "know" that the skin cancer "of course" was KS?  Do
you in fact know he was gay, HIV+?  And even if you do, what
purpose would be served.  Anyone with eyes to see can tell from
an obituary who has died of AIDS, whether it is stated or not.
Whether from shame or ignorance, his family and his university
have their reasons for phrasing it in that way.

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Date:    Tue, 8 Sep 1992 17:57:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: HARRINGTONL@hartwick.edu
Subject: Phranc in NY

I just got off the phone with Phranc's manager and I couldn't believe that
Hartwick College is the only place in NY that Phranc is coming to sing.  In
case you don't know her, she calls herself the "All-American Jewish Lesbian
[Feminist] Folksinger".  She's got some great songs and is very entertaining.
	Her manager, Jean Demeter, said she didn't have any connections in
Albany, Syracuse, or Binghamton, but she would love Phranc to go and perform
in other places in NY.  She costs about $2000 to perform (Small crowd) plus
transportation, housing, and food.  If anyone would like to get Phranc they
can call Jean at (510) 428-0824.  But you must do this as soon as possible,
because Phranc will be on the East Coast in October (NY specifically around
Oct. 10) and Jean must finalize everything soon.

Laura Harrington
harringtonl@hartwick.edu

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From: <MARKD@urjwc.ucla.edu>
Subject: Missing Issues
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 92 15:04:00 PDT
Encoding: 12 TEXT

I'm not sure, but I seem to be getting spotty delivery of Gaynet.  I haven't
made a point to keep track of issue numbers, (until now, anyway), but I
notice the issues I get have included replies to queries I never saw.  For
instance, Gabriel responds in issue 14 to a question of exposing the cause of
death of someone's friend, but I never received the issue containing the
original question.

Is this just me?  Can it be fixed?

Mark

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 15:20:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Loren Meissner <lmeissne@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Miss Manners on Gays in the Military
Mime-Version: 1.0

Did anyone else out there see the _Miss Manners_ column (scheduled for
release Sept 5 -posted on clarinet news service Sept 5) in which Miss
Manners addressed herself to this issue of Gays in the military? Since I
am very busy, I am hoping that someone else with more time can upload type
in the column for all to read here. If I hear from enough of you (BEG!
BEG! BEG!) I will type it in myself this coming weekend. While I don't
have the article in front of me right now, my recollection of the article
is that Miss Manners seems to be blasting Gays for making their sexuality
public. Upon reading the column, I immediately wrote Miss Manners to
inform her that it is the Military who is prying into the private
sexuality of military people, not normally Gays making an issue of it.
Case in point- (Colonel?) Cammermeyer of the National Guary here in
Washington State who kept her sexuality to herself until the military
pried.
Anyway- hope someone has the time to post the _Miss Manners_ article in
the next few days. Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1992 16:20:52 -0700
From: jnrg@ocf.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: Re: GayNet Digest Volume 6 Issue 14

A short while ago, Tim Pierce suggested to the fellow trying to sell
his extra rubber stamps used to stamp currency that the
fellow had been less than inclusive of bisexuals by
stamping "lesbian and gay money" or some such.
Tim suggested as alternatives "lesbian, gay and bisexual"
or "queer" or "gay."
Tim, I wish you and all others reading this net to know
that I for one do not in any way consider the word
"gay' as sufficiently inclusive of either lesbians or
bisexuals.  NO WAY.

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Date: 8 Sep 92 20:35:00 EST
From: "GEOFFREY SCHRAMM" <gschramm@gmuvax.gmu.edu>
Subject: The Apotheosis of Sandra Bernhard

I just wanted to update the net on a couple of recent happenings at our campus.
First of all, George Mason's Gay and Lesbian Student Association is now
Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual Student Association. This was very much needed
(especially in our campus) in order to fight the annoying problem of biphobia.

Also, GMU GLBSA was awarded a grant from the State Council for Higher Education
in Virginia. What makes this landmark is that we are the first openly Queer
group state-wide to be awarded a grant in order to educate peers about sexual
minorities! This money will be used (in its entireity) to implement a basic
homophobia workshop (entitled Homophobia:101) at Mason. This program will be
taught to people at Mason (people who are interested in it), straight, gay,
bisexual, transgender. In return, these people will go to different classes
and speak about what it is like to be queer or how homophobia affects
everyone. Yay team!!

And, on the Sandra tip, has anyone seen the new _FACE_ (a Brit Rag)? She is on
the cover (they sell it at Tower REcords and elsewhere) with this Donna Karan
gone Bohemian outfit on. Anyway, she blows much shade towards Madonna and
their (evidentally) broken relationship. Yikes!!!

Gotta motor, kids. I'll keep you posted.

 "I may have not messed with the past, but I've fucked with the future."
-Patti Smith.

                 geoffrey.

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Date:         Tue, 08 Sep 92 21:36:59 EDT
From: "Michael D. Calabria" <MDCBB@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Subject:      Dear Anonymous

Fine, you're fed up with the superficiality and narcissism which you
detect in the gay community -- is it much different in the "straight
community?" No, gays don't have a monopoly on negative character traits.
As a fellow-netter indicated, gays are people too, good and bad. Before
you trash the whole gay community, however, I would take a closer look:
you'll see alot of people who have given and are giving their entire
lives to securing "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" for ALL
people - gay and straight - people who attempting to enlighten society
and dispel hatred and biogtry wherever it appears, within and without
the community. Yes, an evening at the bars can be awfully discouraging,
but there are plenty of organizations comprised of dedicated and caring
individuals who along with the "bar flies"  comprise the "gay community."
As for your spiritual side, I don't think it's cliche to say the  trans-
formation of society begins with the transformation of the self.

I hope I didn't come down on you too hard (no puns intended, honest!),
but hang in there: "You'll love us once you get to know us."

Yours sincerely,
Michael D. Calabria
Baruch College
New York

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Date: 08 Sep 92 22:08:20 EDT
From: Braddlee <76557.1312@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: No Sale W/L.L. Bean

Hello -

Got my L.L. Bean Catalog today.

I've read recently that Linda Bean, a member of the mail-order clothing
retailer's board of directors, is an very active participant and
important contributor to anti-lesbigay causes.

So, I picked up the phone, called Bean's order number [800-221-4221] and told
them I'd like to be taken off their mailing list.  The order person
transferred me to customer service.  Customer service took my mailing label
information, and asked me if there had been a problem.

My reply: "Yes, there has been. I understand that Linda Bean has been very
active in her work against gay and lesbian people, and I don't feel I can do
business with your company any longer."  (I buy stuff from their outlet
stores a couple times a year)

The C.S. person was very professional - she said that L.L. Bean's was "very
concerned" about Linda Bean's activities - and that she didn't represent
the company's position.  I asked if this *was* the case, had Bean's as a
company taken any public action to reputiate Linda Bean's activities.  C.S.
person waffled, but her answer summed up to "No, not really."

She says she will pass along my "customer comment," and asked if I'd mind
speaking with a customer service supervisor about this.  I said no problem,
I don't mind talking, but that they have a problem that requires a public
solution, not a personal one.

If the C.S. supervisor does call, I'll ask why, if Bean's (as a company)
doesn't support homophobia, why Linda B. is still on their board, whether
Bean's has and anti-discrimination employment policy, have they issues a
press release denouncing Linda B, and if the company makes financial
contributions to gay and lesbian organizations.

It's "small beans" but, if *you're* a Bean's customer, and on their mailing
list, please feel free to make a similar call!  Lines are open 24 hours, and
the whole process took maybe 3 minutes.  And, you'll have less junk mail...

I'm off the list at this time, so please address any replies to me via
e-mail, rather than to the list.

Aloha,

Braddlee

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From: Eric Hunt <bsc835!ehunt@uunet.UU.NET>
Subject: Testing!
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 21:24:36 CDT
Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25]

I've not received a GayNet Digest since Friday, Sept 4. The only way I can
really tell if there's something wrong on my end is to make an ass out of
myself and post here.

So, if any of you kind people read this, PLEASE PLEASE respond via email
indicating such.

E-Hugs all around.
--
Eric Hunt                     | bsc835!ehunt@uunet.uu.net (preferred)
Birmingham-Southern College   | (alternative address being worked
Birmingham, Alabama 35254     |  on as we type)

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From: John Donald Collier <jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU>
Subject: Victorian discrimination amendments delayed by election
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 13:47:21 EST

Legislation to amend the Victorian state Equal Opportunity Act to
include protection for sexual orientation has lapsed due to an
impending election. A Gay and Lesbian Electoral Lobby has been
formed to survey candidates for the Oct 3 election.

Things don't look good, as the economy here has been a disaster
under the Labour Party, and the Coalition, which is conservative,
is touted to win, though the leader is very unpopular (and a bit
of an arse, besides). On the other hand, the Coalition may decide
to grant us explicit rights for its own reasons.

-
John Collier 			Email: jcollier@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
HPS -- U. of Melbourne		  	Fax:   61+3 344 7959
Parkville, Victoria, AUSTRALIA 3052

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: An ethics question
Distribution: local
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 03:51:44 GMT

"Kai-Joachim Kamrath x6425"  <KAI@berkp.uadv.uci.edu> writes:

>I received news today of the death of a former colleague of mine.  At the
>time of his death he was president of a university.  The news release from
>that university states that he "had been undergoing treatments for a form
>of skin cancer."  Of course this is a euphemism for KS.
How sure are you that it is just a euphemism for KS???

>Any advice?  Do I keep my mouth shut and pretend it was just some freak
>skin cancer thing?  Or do I not hesitate to speak of it as another death
>due to the AIDS epidemic?
Well...I don't really understand your question. You can say whatever you want
to. I would restrict myself to statements that you atleast have some modicum
of proof are TRUE, though! :-)

So, what what his name??

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ``D.C. in 93!''
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
C.E. Koop:"What would you do if you knew the identity of every HIV+ in the USA?"
Rep. William Dannemeyer (R-CA): "Wipe them off the face of the Earth!"

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From: buckmr@rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: USA Weekend Poll, et al.
Distribution: local
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 04:01:29 GMT

CJones <CJones.MAILROOM@wylbur.ucla.edu> writes:

>                      USA Weekend Poll, et al.
>Remember a couple-o-weeks ago, there was a poll in USA Weekend, that cheesy
>Sunday newspaper insert for those papers who don't have their own Sunday
>magazine, about gays in the military.  They took the first 10,000 calls and
>over 200,000 postcards, which was a number second only to a poll on Hollywood
>violence.  The results were rather disheartening: 67% said to keep the ban, 33%
>said to drop it.  There was a disclaimer attatched that said that scientific
>polls indicate that Americans favor dropping the ban, and that this was not a
>scientific poll.  In next weeks issue: letters regarding the issue.
Hmm, that's not TOO surprising, I guess...In the new NEWSWEEK, however there
is a cover story on the Backlash Against Gay Rights and they have a
(presumably scientific) poll (with 547 people) that says 59% approve of Queers
in the Armed Forces. 63% approve of a Lesbian Cabinet member!

>As for Ron Buckmire's comment about AB 3019, I saw in one of the local gay
>papers that it was also sent to Wilson.  It was reportedly a carbon-copy of
>AB101.  Since I've only seen this report from once source, I don't know how
>accurate it is.
Well, the redoubtable Bryan Blumberg has assured me that 3019 was a carbon
copy of AB2601 [which IS on the Governor's desk]. I just wish I could discover
the answer to these two questions definitively: 1) How many glb rights bills
are on Pete Wilson's desk? 2) What is AB-3019?? :-) The saga continues..

>The new TV Guide (with Joan Lunden on the cover) has an article on Don Wildmon
>and the American Family Association.  Wildmon has a newsletter which names the
>"Pro-Homosexual Sponsor of the Month."  Anyone know who these advertisers have
>been in the past, and/or how I can get on the AFA mailing list without having
>to give him some money?
There is a list of Past Advertisers on Wildmon's Hit List in the /pub/QRD/qrd/
glaad directory on nifty.andrew.cmu.edu. People are recommended to write the
SAM advertisers and thank them! :-)

> Chad Jones
> UCLA Department of Physiological Science
> cjones@kines.ucla.edu
[Hi Chad! :-)]

-
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735. **Clinton-Gore '92!**
vox:(518)-276-8910 fax:(518)-276-6920 buckmr@rpi.edu buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet
"If a bullet should enter my brain, let that bullet destroy every closet door."
                                                                 -Harvey Milk

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Subject: World's First Bottom Found in ALPS!
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 92 00:20:54 EDT
From: Ron Buckmire <buckmr@rpi.edu>

Reprinted w/o permission from "In", a weekly Boston gay bar rag.
As Brian Gollum likes to say in his signature: "Se non e vero,
e ben trovato."

Otztal Valley, ITALY -- The mainstream media reported widely on "Otzi",
the 5,477-year-old Stone Age man found mummified in a melting glacier
high in the Italian Tyrolean Alps.  The U.S. media did not, however, share
a gripping detail that was reported in Italy, Austria, Switzerland and
elsewhere: there was sperm in Otzi's anal canal.

"The Tyrolean scholars have not given this little detail any special
significance," according to _Lambda Nachrichten_, the magazine of
Homosexual Initiative Vienna, Austria's leading gay organization,
"but there can only be one explanation: Otzi had sex with another man
in the Alps!"

"The tight-assed Tyrolean scholars were very uncomfortable even having
to acknowledge it," _Lambda_ said, "but Otzi is the first known homosexual
man that enjoyed being fucked. ...Otzi was the passive partner--of this
there is absolutely no doubt...The sperm has been carbon-dated."

Otzi, named for the Otztal Valley on the Italian/Austrian border, was
found intact from the day he possibly froze to death in a flash snowstorm,
in 3485 B.C.  He was discovered by hikers.

Aged 25-35, Otzi was probably a herdsman from a nearby valley settlement.
He was carrying a copper ax, a quiver and arrows, a dagger with a flint blade,
a woven grass sheath, and a wooden backpack frame, among other things.

He had tattoos on his back.  His only jewelry was a small stone disk with thin
leather strips pulled through it, knotted at the top and free at the bottom.
His clothes were leather.

According to the Zurich, Switzerland, newspaper _Blick_: "Since the homosexual
innuendo has made the rounds, polititians in the North and South Tyrol regions
suddenly have less interest in poor Otzi.  Even the souvenir business has
dropped off.  And in Otztal they're afraid they're going to end up being
called 'Homo Valley'."
---
RON BUCKMIRE, 11 Colvin Circle, Troy, NY 12180-3735.  ***Clinton-Gore '92***
uunet!rpi.edu!buckmr||buckmr@rpitsmts.bitnet||buckmr@rpi.edu||+1 518 276 8910
"In any battle for freedom of identity there can be no distinction between the
 private and the political." --David Leavitt's _Family Dancing_

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From: "James A. Murray" <jam8j@galen.med.Virginia.EDU>
Subject: ethical dilemma
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 1:12:09 EDT

The truth shall set you free......seems like I heard that
somewhere before!
--
James A. Murray                    |  Quantum materiae possit materiari
University of Virginia             |  marmota monax si marmota monax
jam8j@galen.med.Virginia.edu       |  materiam possit materiari?
Compuserve: 71022,1000             |

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From: Mathemagician <bevans@carina.unm.edu>
Subject: Re: An ethics question
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 92 3:14:46 MDT

My question is this:  Do you know that he died from Kaposi's sarcoma?
Do you know that he had AIDS?  If not, then you are merely speculating
and might want to consider qualifying any statements you make as such.

-
Brian Evans                |     "Bad mood, bad mood...Sure I'm in a bad mood!
bevans@carina.unm.edu      |      I haven't had sex...*EVER!*" -- Virgin Mary

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