From: synth@deepthought.unm.edu (Synth F. Oberheim)
Subject: Re: Rape in any form ...
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 02:39:41 GMT
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dcrosgr@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

> dc> It would be real hard to state that having rape fantasies is not
> dc> normal.
> 
> Nor am I trying to.  But by the same token, it's unscientific and
> irresponsible for you to contend that they are.  You can draw your own
> personal conclusions, but I object to you stating them as fact.

dc> I am specifically asking you WHAT makes you think the studies are
dc> invalid?

I have *never* said the studies were INVALID.  Jesus H. Christ!  How
long are you going to run us in circles here??

dc> You are taking scientific evidence and dismissing it with a wave
dc> of your hand ...

BZZZT.  Quite the contrary, I find the evidence plausible and
enlightening.  Just what *is* the evidence?  That rape fantasies and
other fantasies are common in both genders.  That fantasies can heighten
intimacy.  That too much fantasy can distance you from your partner.
That separating fantasy from reality is important.  And that the
scientific community does not know enough about fantasy to say whether
any certain kind is normal and another abnormal:

--
[New York Times, February 28, 1984: "Sexual Fantasies: What Are Their
Hidden Meanings?"]
[...]
   ''Our knowledge of sexual  fantasies  is about where our data on 
masturbation was 50 years ago, pre- Kinsey, '' [Dr. David Barlow, SUNY
Albany] said. ''We don't really know what the usual, normal pattern
looks like. There are probably large numbers of people who think they're 
abnormal, but as we get better data, we'll probably find that the normal
range of people's  fantasies  is even more diverse than we realize now.''
--

Another article you posted explored the origins of fantasies, including
rape fantasies, as being extrapolations of childhood experiences.
Nowhere does it address whether people who do this are dysfunctional
or not.  NOTE:  I am not suggesting that it IS dysfunctional by saying
this!
   
>> My guess is that your fantasy of humiliating 
>> your ex is really just simple revenge, and does not involve some sense
>> of satisfaction in giving her lasting emotional and psychological
>> scarring, loss of intimacy or sociability, recurring nightmares, etc.
>> (Or does it ...?)  

dc> Wrong Synth. The asnwer as to why I enjoy this fantasy is every
dc> bit as simple as why you enjoy ANY of your sexual fantasies.

Evading the question AGAIN.  I love it.

Re-read it again.  Which is it: revenge? a hateful desire to emotionally
traumatize her? or something else?  What emotions are you experiencing
when you fantasize of raping that particular person -- your ex?

A question, with suggested answers, has been posed to you.  Tell me
which one is correct.

dc> I'll tell you in intimate detail. I'll let you know every
dc> lurid detail.  I have told details.  You want exact plot?

No, I don't want plot or details; I want to know what you're feeling;
what is being *satisfied* in your mind when you dream of this?

Your answer, please.  If you don't *want* to discuss it to me/others,
SAY SO.  But evade it one more time and I have to question your ability
or willingness to introspectively confront your emotions, attitudes and
base motivations.  Can you do it?


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