HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Termcap entry for remote system?
Reply-To: grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Organization: Rosemount, Inc.
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 23:59:41 GMT

I've got 4.0.1 running, the virtual consoles are working fine, and I
even have uucp (the non-Taylor one) working.  However, when I use
kermit to dial up the system at work and run either emacs or vi, the
console screen goes blank.

Everything still seems to be working, but the video attributes are set
to black on black (I think).  I am assuming that the vt100 and vt102
termcap entries on the remote system aren't quite compatble with the
escape codes that the monochrome console driver implements.

Does anybody have a good version of a termcap entry that I can add to
the remote machine?  I suppose the one from Coherent's termcap should
work shouldn't it?

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Rosemount Inc.                                |number if you show me
                                              |YOURS...
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From: tpa10@ccc.amdahl.com (Thomas P. Anderson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Inode/Crontab problems with 4.01
Date: 2 Sep 92 18:36:56 GMT
Reply-To: tpa10@juts.ccc.amdahl.com ()
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

I had successfully installed the 4.0.1 upgrade, gotten UUCP to work
(which was a bit of a chore with an old NEC9600 b modem), and
downloaded some files from mwcbbs.  I then attempted to use crontab
to update the ROOT and UUCP cron files to automate polling of mwcbbs.
It seemed to be working, when suddenly after a process had begun I
started to get screen after screen of Inode(xx,x) busy messages.
It finally ended with a 'Panic(BAD)' message and (or course) a hung
machine.

I'm fairly sure it must be something I did with the cron stuff, as the
system was pretty reliable up to that point.
Any quick ideas?  Barring that, where and how do I begin to collect
diagnostics for this?  I think, if I am fast enough, I could boot
Coherent and update the cron files before a UUCP process fires off.

I would even, grudgingly, re-install but if I don't know HOW I caused
the problem in the first place I may end up creating it again!

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I have sent email to
support@mwc.com but have not yet received any reply.

Thanks,
Tom A.
From: lauther@ztivax.UUCP (Dr Ulrich Lauther)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: 4.0, Low level IO and problems...
Date: 25 Aug 92 07:07:27 GMT
Reply-To: lauther@ztivax.siemens.com (Ulrich Lauther)
Organization: Siemens, ZFE BT SE 14

>	A faster and more efficient way is to have rm make a hard link to the
>file in a save directory before it unlinks it.  Much faster than copying bytes.
>	Of course, need to make provisions for people removing files of the
>same name, and usually want a way to automatically remove old saved files when
>need the space on the file system.
>
This does not seem to solve the real problem: files accidentially destroyed
by overwriting them, e.g. directing output to a file.

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: tau@ee.ubc.ca (AU TRI BANG)
Subject: Re: Problem in Installing 4.01
Organization: University of BC, Electrical Engineering
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 17:57:13 GMT

In article <A9674@KR.maus.de> Dietmar_Hendricks@kr.maus.de (Dietmar Hendricks) writes:
>
>First of all it gave me the message:
>"prepare_gift(): WARNING: not enough room for all arguments
>only 496 bytes submitted"
>
>Then I was told (by the German Support e-media) to type 2x info and try again.
>This leads to the result, that my pc doesn't show this 'gift'-message, but
>hangs up while displaying "Please wait...".
>

I'm also getting the above message.  Being a newcomer to Coherent, I'm
not sure what it means and can't find any reference to it in the manual.
When it says prepare_gift(), are we suppose to send a gift to the
technical support people to help us solve our problem? :-)
From: GREGL@DELPHI.COM (Greg Law)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Adding color to utree
Date: 27 Aug 92 08:37:38 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

I got bored today so I started messing around with utree and noticed that
it has ANSI color capabilities built in, although these capabilities
are disabled by default in the source. Since Coherent .0 supports ANSI
color, I decided to try to put the color functions to use. It took a bit
of experimenting, but I finally got it working. To get the ANSI color
functions working, edit the src/conf.h file and add this line:

	#define USEANSICOLORS

Now use your favorite editor to edit the /etc/termcap file and add this
to the ansipc entry (I added it as the last line of the entry):

	Co#8:op=\E[37m\E[40m:AB=\E[4%+0m:AF=\E[3%+0m:

The final step is to disable automatic cursor wrapping. . . if you don't,
the screen is a big mess. I did this by creating a shell script in my
home directory called utree:

	echo "\033[?7l\033[0m"
	/usr/local/bin/utree -C $*
	echo "\033[?7h\033[0m"

The combination of disabling cursor wrap and resetting the video attributes
is important. . . otherwise you get invisible text. :-)

At any rate, utree looks a lot better in color. Of course I'm not saying
it did not look good in monochrome, but it's nice to get some color
capabilities out of Coherent.

	-- Greg
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: ScreenSaving?
From: qumqats@citrus.SAC.CA.US ( Joel M. Baldwin )
Organization: Citrus Grove Public Access ( 916 ) 381-5822    Sacramento CA.  USA
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:04
Reply-To: qumqats@citrus.SAC.CA.US ( Joel M. Baldwin )

In article <956922.2A9A4A6B@cmhgate.fidonet.org> Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bret Johnson) writes:
>Carsten Deutschmann of 1:226/20 wrote to All of 1:226/20
>on <Aug 21 at 14:38>
>
> CD> From: deutschm@lucky.lion.de (Carsten Deutschmann)
> CD> Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent 
> CD> Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>
>
> CD> Hi folks,
> CD> I always liked the builtin screensaver that is in my 3.1.0-d Coh.
>
>    I did  not know there was one!??  CAn you tell me more about it?

There is a screen saver in 3.X, but it only works on MDA cards.
You can't 'screensaver'ize CGA, EGA, or VGA screens! :(
-- 

Joel M. Baldwin
System Administrator,  Citrus Grove Public Access
N6NPL      H ( 916 ) 383-9470        W ( 916 ) 452-1481
uunet!csusac.ecs.csus.edu!citrus!qumqats    Sacramento CA.   USA.
qumqats@citrus.SAC.CA.US						/\../\

Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: Re: Poor performance.
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 14:37:43 GMT

In article <01GOD0KWMK4Y90N81N@delphi.com> "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet> writes:
>Pred Bundalo writes:
>> COHERENT 4.0.1 fine with both internal and external cache's enabled as well
>> as ROM video shadowing.
>> When I run a dhrystone program on the DOS side, I get 25000 dhrystones/s
>> on average.  When I run the same program on the COHERENT side, I get a
>> horrible 2200 dhrystones/s--consistantly.
>> I'm perplexed.  Why would the performance be so poor on the COHERENT side?
>> Also, it appears the problem is specific to my system/motherboard since I'm
>> somewhat sure I had at least 2000 dhrystones/sec when I used my old 386-20
>> motherboard.
>> Does COHERENT do some disabling I'm not aware of?
>
>You have to be very careful with benchmarks. One thing I've noticed over
>the years is that dhrystone is wonderful for benchmarking compilers, but
>it doesn't tell you squat about the speed of the computer. For example,
>in one case it appeared that a 10MHz 80286-based system ran circles
>around a 20MHz 68020-based system. The differences were very deceiving
>due to the compilers used. I had used one of Borland's compilers on
>the 80286 and the compiler packaged with the 68020 system with no explicit
>optimizations on either system. All this proved was that Borland creates
>better compilers than the other vendor. When full optimizations were
>turned on, there was literally no comparison between the two.

Dhrystone 2.1 running under Coherent 3.2.1a got about 2600 on my 286-12 and
10800 on my 386-40c64.  I got 3300 and 12500 under DOS (Turbo C++ v1.01)
respectively.  I hope that the 386 improves under Coherent 4.0.1 with the 32
bit instructions and registers.

Although it is true that Dhrystone tests BOTH the compiler and the CPU, if
MWC's C compiler only got 2200 Dhrystones on a 486, I would suspect a problem.

My copy of 4.0.1 has not yet arrived (only ordered it 9 business days ago) I
cannot test the new compiler.

Are you sure that your Dhrystone is working under Coherent?  2200 sounds a lot
like 22000/10; 22000 would be quite reasonable.  Could it be that you have an
order of magnitude problem?  (When I say reasonable here I am still skeptical;
I would hope that, with 32 bit instructions and registers, the DOS Dhrystone
should be lower than under Coherent, not higher.)

The make for Dhrystone is quite different under DOS and Coherent.  The timing 
is much more precise under Coherent.  Make sure that your defines are correct,
etc.

After all this, it could of course, still be a motherboard problem but I doubt
it.  2000 for a 386/20 still sounds quite low (note the numbers for my 286-12
above).

Harry
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From: dave@kira!pete (Dave Peterson)
Subject: libndir
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:07:58 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization:  

Subject: Re: missing files
kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I) writes:
> dave@kira!pete (Dave Peterson) writes:
> 
> > I noticed that MWC has incorporated libndir.a into the libc.a.  That is
> > nice.  To compile programs that need the directory support you don't
> > need -lndir in the cc command line.  One program is tass there are others.
> 
> Do you know if these libndir functions have been fixed, the ones that were
> on piggy (and presumably are now on raven) had some bugs.
> 
> 						- k
> -- 
> Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 63 3551342
> "Jub'f Xvob?"

I was unaware of any problems with libndir functions.  I may yet be unaware
of problems with the functions within libc.  I can say that I compiled 
tass and it has performed flawlessly.
 
--
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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: mcampbel@eola.cs.ucf.edu (Mike Campbell )
Subject: Re: various ?
Organization: University of Central Florida
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 21:16:11 GMT

mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
: 
: This is a great idea.  To be perfectly honest, I would be willing
: to pay you to do it since I have spent so much time recently
: (with little luck) trying to get my news system working again.
: If you can get the disk to me, I can test it, put it in an
: internet-friendly package, and post the whole lot at Raven.

I agree.  I'd be willing to pay as well.  I don't have the time, 
nor the expertise to do any (what most would call) "REAL" shell
script hacking.

I second (or third) the motion.
From: tbell@n8hsp.ncoast.org (Terry Bell N8HSP)
Reply-To: tbell@n8hsp.ncoast.org
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Error Message additional
Keywords: Drive 1, Boot
Date: 28 Aug 92 3:16:40 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: N8HSP Amateur Radio


:-) opppss!!!!

BTW, I only have one hard drive..........

----
Terry Bell N8HSP
Internet: ........................ tbell@n8hsp.ncoast.org
UUCP: .............. {usenet|backbone}!ncoast!n8hsp!tbell
FreeNet ..................... ab617@cleveland.freenet.edu
AmPR: N8HSP @ WA8BXN.OH n8hsp@CleSW.AmPR.org [44.70.4.10]
From: mauritz_c@spcvxb.spc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Best news systems & readers enquiry
Date: 28 Aug 92 14:49:37 GMT
Organization: SPC Community Access System

kilroy@acme.gen.nz wrote:
 
>As far as what software, I'd recommend the current Coherent-ported release of
>C News, in terms of robustness and reliability I've found it to be excellent.
>We could possibily consider the recent C News performance release if
>someone's ported it to 3.2. Most of it works fine, we'd just need to fine
>tune some of the scripts to fix some nagging incompatibilities (I won't call
>them bugs, Geoff Collyer might be reading this and they're not C News'
>fault). I've been running C News happily for some months now, and I'll help
>out on any work needed to get scripts working reliably.
 
This is completely contradictory to my experience with the Coherent
"port" of cnews.  I followed the directions to the letter and it simply
does not work.  I challenge anyone to try to run that cnews port
according to the installation instructions.  Perhaps it is workable
if you are an experienced programmer and you do a bit of hacking at
installation time, but unfortunately I am not proficient enough to
do that.
 
If there is something I am missing, and the cnews port can indeed
be installed with few hassles, I'd love to hear from you.
 
Re: cnews performance release
 
Wouldn't it make more sense to port this to Coh 4.0 than try to
hack the old cnews to work?
 
Best regards,
 
Chris
From: bob@dalek.mwc.com (Bob Hemedinger)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: mail & uucp security
Date: 28 Aug 92 00:41:28 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>

Much recent traffic I've seen regards uucp and mail security. Some of the
traffic regarding this has resulted in many users sending support@mwc.com
private mail.

Now available on mwcbbs is an update called uusecure.tar.Z. This is
for 4.0 users only. New uucp and mail bits reside in this archive
which will cause spooled uucp command files to have permissions of
0600, as opposed to 0644. Mail will now save messages to files
with 0600 permissions, and lmail will create mailboxes with 0600
permissions.

Existing mail/uucp files with 0644 permissions will have to be changed
by hand. The scripts  /etc/newusr and uumvlog will need to also be
edited, but this is covered in the archive.

This archive has actually been available for about a week, but was updated
again yesterday when we finally tracked another commonly reported bug. Many
4.0 users reported that uucico was delivering files with weird permissions
set. The bug has been caught and exterminated, with the updated uucico
being placed in uusecure.tar.Z.

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From: davison@living.rutgers.edu (Brian D. Davison)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Is backing up to tape supported? (possible FAQ)
Date: 23 Aug 92 19:58:42 GMT
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.


Forgive me if this is a FAQ, but does Coherent 4.0 support backing up
to tape?  If so, what tape drives does it work with?  If not, what
does everyone use to back up their systems?  Please don't tell me
floppies.  :-(

And, since I've got your attention, does Coherent support user disk
quotas?
-- 
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                                    uucp: ...!rutgers!paul.rutgers.edu!davison
From: lauther@ztivax.UUCP (Dr Ulrich Lauther)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: how is an executable recognized ?
Date: 26 Aug 92 16:05:15 GMT
Reply-To: lauther@ztivax.siemens.com (Ulrich Lauther)
Organization: Siemens, ZFE BT SE 14


Who can enlighten me as to how the sh / ksh or whoever recognizes an
executable binary?
If I import files compiled myself under SCO UNIX, they run (sometimes).
If I try a third party product like ELAN EROFF, it runs.
If I try SCO's or Interactive's vi, I get 
	syntax error at line 1: '(' unexpected from my own ksh
	Argument too long			from Coherents ksh
	Argument too long			from Coherents sh

In all cases file says: COFF stripped executable (Intel 386),
and the magic number is correct too.

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From: Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bret Johnson)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: using coherent to dial out
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 20:15:29 EST
Organization: FidoNet node 1:226/1110.1 - Flying High!, Marietta OH

Udo Munk of 1:226/20 wrote to All of 1:226/20
on <Aug 21 at 18:48>

 UM> From: udo@umunk.GUN.de (Udo Munk)
 UM> Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent 
 UM> Organization: umunk (private)

 UM> Bret.Johnson@p1.f1110.n226.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bret Johnson) writes:
 UM> : Joachim Riedel of 1:226/20 wrote to All of 1:226/20
 UM> : on <Aug 05 at 05:41>
 UM> : 
:  JR> From: joachim@jr.rhein-main.de (Joachim Riedel)
:  JR> Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent 
:  JR> Organization: The European Coherent Support BBS
 UM> : 
 UM> : 
:  JR> Already available are these programs:
 UM> : 
:  JR> MINICOM, a MINIX-Program, TELIX-look-alike
:  JR> MINICOM is a great program !!
 UM> : 
 UM> : 
 UM> :   OK! I looked on MWCBBS and I did not find it.
 UM> :   Where is it to be found?

 UM> I've send release 1.32 ported to Coherent 3.x and ported to Coherent 4.0
 UM> to MWC. I'll guess in some days you might find it on MWCBBS. So if
 UM> someone would get it and put it onto raven, thanks, I can't do it.


   I showed up on MWCBBS on Friday.  I got it but, am having trouble
   compiling it. Errors in the IPC file.  

   I am still at 3.2.1A..

                       Bret Johnson

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Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: kilroy@acme.gen.nz (earthbound misfit, I)
Subject: Re: mind control?
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 08:18:40 GMT
Organization: ACME BBS - Public Access Usenet, Palmerston North, New Zealand

a10@server.uwindsor.ca (FUERST.D                 ) writes:

> It's been a really long week, and my eyes may be playing tricks on me, but
> just a couple of minutes ago when I booted Coh 4.0, I would swear that
> I saw the message "buy cohware" flash on the screen for an instant.  It 
> happened while the splats (i.e., /|\* etc.) were doing their little dance.
> Is MW trying to drum up some extra business here?

From the the 4.0 release notes (page 13 in mine, which is the 4.0.1 update
version):

"....Type:

	begin

followed by the <Enter> key. This loads build, the COHERENT installation
program into memory and begins execution. As build is loaded, you will be
entertained by a spinning character, and an occasional "subliminal"
message urging you to purchase COHware."

I love this, there are a few other tidbits like this throughout the manual
(including some new ones with 4.0). Nice to know some people still have a
sense of humour!

						- k
-- 
Craig Harding            kilroy@acme.gen.nz             ACME BBS +64 6 3551342
"Jub'f Xvob?"
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
From: hcp@csx.cciw.ca (H.C. Pulley)
Subject: Re: various ?
Organization: Canada Centre for Inland Waters
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:27:26 GMT

In article <BtKEHJ.Gu2@csn.org> tbuck@teal.csn.org (Timothy E. Buchanan) writes:
>I just tried to do a cpio back-up and it failed. I typed-
>find . -type f -print |cpio -oc >/dev/fva0 after shutdown and sync, from
>the / dir, as in the Coho manual. It ran a while with the 0 drive light
>on, then that light went out while the hard drive light ran awhile then
>that went out with the console saying 21463 blocks.
> 
>Well I'm pretty sure 11 megs weren't copied to one 1.44 floppy. Why did
>it not prompt me for another floppy? The drive is a 130 Meg Maxstor IDE.
>I hope this is some simple error of mine and not a compatibility
>problem.

You need to use the raw device driver for the floppy that you backup onto.  In
your case I think you want /dev/rfva0.

>A uucp question- I tried this
>uucp csn!~/ftp/CSN/FAQ /tmp which should have copied the FAQ file on
>site csn to /tmp on my system, I think. It dialed, then my uulog says
>"No Permission to write file /tmp/FAQ". Does this mean that csn is
>thinking I want to write the file to /tmp on its filesystem?

Does csn have write permission on your system?  Check the entry for csn in your
/usr/lib/uucp/Permissions file.  Make sure csn is allowed to write to the /tmp
directory.  You can change permissions with uuinstall or do it by hand.

Harry
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From: vax@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Vax)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Help wanted on PERL port (yes, perl!)
Date: 31 Aug 92 07:13:20 GMT
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

After a week of tinkering (in spare time, mind you!) I have gotten at least
somewhere in porting Perl... using dmake, I generated the dependency list
(a big deal for me, my first real difficult port).  However, I believe that
yacc barfs when compiling perly.y, saying:

Fatal Error: line foo : too many states, actual limit is 300

What does this rather cryptic message mean to a non-yaccite?
Does it mean I need bison or something, or is it a problem in perly.y?
Thanks for all the help (and fish)

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From: vax@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Vax)
Newsgroups: comp.os.coherent
Subject: Re: Best news systems & readers enquiry
Date: 30 Aug 92 22:14:30 GMT
Reply-To: "Coherent operating system" <COHERENT@indycms.bitnet>
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX

In article <9208261606.aa06134@ocpt.ocpt.ccur.com> you write:
>In article <9208261001.AA05147@dalek.mwc.com> you write:
>>
>>A personal 2 cents worth:
>>
>Agreed.  Geez I quoted a lot.
>
>I'm testing trn, rn, and tin on my SVR3 box before I go to try to
>port it to Coherent.
>
>Also my 386 motherboard bit the big one.
>
>I think that MWC should've just put the stuff on the distribution
>disks along with cnews (set to read /usr/lib/news/organization,
>/etc/uucpname etc.) so they'd have had an instant success.
>
>Perhaps a Cohware ready to run setup would make some people happy.
>
>Me - hell I spent three hours tweaking your version of elm into my
>configuration <grin>.
>
>I will get tcsh up as soon as the motherboard gets swapped (hope for
>this weekend.)
>
>Bill
>--

Would you send me tcsh and/or csh, for Coh 4.0, I have neither.
aTdHvAaNnKcSe.

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