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From: ST101019@brownvm.brown.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Need Help with Journals *please??*
Date: 17 Apr 1992 05:30:16 GMT
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I have to write a paper on the far right in Germany and I am desperately
searching for the following journal articles.

1) FEIST, Ursula : Rechtsparteien in Vormarsch : Gruende fuer ihre Wahlerfolge
from Gegenwartskunde Volume 38 Issue 3 ; 1989 ; 321-330

2) DOERRE, Klaus : Die imaginaere Revolte Jugendlichen und Rechtsextremismus
from Blaetter fuer deutsche und internationale Politik Volume 34 Issue 10
October 1989 ; 1220-1235

3) NIEDERMAYER, Oskar : Sozialstruktur, Politische Orientierungen und die
Unterstuetzung extrem rechter Parteien in Westeuropa
from Zeitschrift fuer Parlamentsfragen Volume 21 Issue 4 December 1990 ;
564-582

4) BETZ, Hans-Georg : Radikal rechtspopulistische Parteien in Westeuropa
from Aus Politik und Zeitgeschichte Volume 44 ; 25 October 1991 ; 3-14

5) I somehow don't have the name of this one but it's from a journal
called Politische Vierteljahresschrift Volume 31 Issue 3 ; September 1990.
If you have this journal in your university library, it probably wouldn't
be too difficult to find the one article inside that deals with the
German right wing.

I can't believe that the Brown library doesn't have any of this stuff. I
have tried to get it through interlibrary loan but it's taking too long and
I need this stuff as soon as I can. So please, if any of you has any of
these journals in your libraries, and are kind enough to xerox a copy
for me, I will be ever grateful and will do the same for you if you
are ever in the same straits.

Please mail me if you are nice enough to do this for me, and I'll send you
my mail address. I need it *soon* so I hope there are some kind souls out
there!

A German Studies Student in Distress,
Su-Lyn
From: oli@math.rwth-aachen.de (Oliver Bonten)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: German Blood
Date: 13 Apr 92 13:45:24 GMT
Organization: RBI - RWTH Aachen

miw@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Mark I. Williams) writes:

>explanation of why. In Germany, *you* have to get your country of
>citizenship to revoke your citizenship. For Turks this is very
>difficult, as males cannot have their citizenship revoked without having
>done their military service. 

I know at least one counterexample.
--
Heute hack ich, morgen crack ich, uebermorgen hol ich mir dem SysOp sein Login.
Ach wie gut dass niemand weiss, dass ich oli@math.rwth-aachen.de heiss.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: mjkugel@iastate.edu (Michael J Kugel)
Subject: Re: Fortune articles on European protectionist sentiment
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 16:19:29 GMT

In article <1992Apr7.143433.23621@den.mmc.com> pschauer@den.mmc.com (Paul Schauer 1-1090) writes:
>In article <3468@sapwdf.UUCP> Bill Wohler <wohler@sap-ag.de> writes:
>>
>>  for many years, the germans have had their cake and eaten it too.
>>  [text deleted]
>>  after working here i find that one can be just as productive with 5
>>  weeks of holiday as 2 and be much more relaxed, without suffering
>>  from the silicon valley burnout i got when i was there.
>>
>
>After ~30 years of computerization and automation, the average US work week
>has gotten longer, not shorter. Apparantly, the German work ethic can 
>accomodate both high quality productivity and adequate relaxation. Indeed,
>the US should take a hint.
>
>Paul "gotta get back to work" Schauer
>My opinion, not necessarily my employers.
>

I agree.  I recently heard that the average German works 2 months less a
year than the average American.  It doesn't appear to be hurting their
economy too much.


Mike
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: u9211306@cc.uow.edu.au (Elpidio S Jabonete Jr)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: EARTHQUAKE!!!
Date: 16 Apr 92 07:17:18 GMT
Organization: University Of Wollongong


	BONN---The region's strongest earthquake in more than 200 years
shook western Germany and parts of Belgium and the Netherlands early 
Monday,injuring 21 people officials said.

	The tremor ,which registered  5.6 on the open-ended Richter
scale may have caused at least one death by heart attack,the North
Rhine-Westphalia state Interior Ministry in Duesseldorf said.

	Its epicenter was in Roermond ,near the southern Dutch city
of Maastricht,and the tremor was felt along the Rhine River and in Belgium,
the ministry said.

	Measuring devices at the Cologne University seismological station
were knocked out of action because they were set to detect milder earth-
quakes.


                	
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
From: clf@ecl.psu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: German Taxes  Was:German Blood
Date: 14 Apr 92 11:58:21 EDT
Organization: Engineering Computer Lab, Pennsylvania State University

> There's also the tax
> problem: I have to pay German taxes, and I am (as an American
> citizen) also liable for American taxes, but I can apply for
> a tax exclusion on the first 70.000 $ I earn (I hope someday
> to earn more than that :-).
> 
> Debora Weber-Wulff                       dww@inf.fu-berlin.de
> Institut fuer Informatik                 +49 30 89691 124
> Nestorstr. 8-9                           (INCLUDE "standard.disclaimer")
> D-W-1000 Berlin 31                       (PRINTN (WITTY-MESSAGE TODAY))

     How much are German taxes?  Are there "state" taxes as well (like in
the United States)?  Does the German tax system allow deductions or is it
a simple straight percentage?

Christopher SS Frame    CLF@ECL.PSU.EDU
From: rys@zeus-dm3.inf.ethz.ch (Michael Rys)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Swiss "luegen" = ?
Date: 15 Apr 92 08:50:08 GMT
Organization: Dept. Informatik, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH

In article <31663@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, flegel@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Willy Flegel) writes:
|> In article <1992Apr15.033541.12972@news.iastate.edu> david@iastate.edu (David M. Martin Jr.) writes:
|> >Wie soll ich "luege" im folgenden Text verstehen?
|> >`Nein, jetzt m"uend d'L"ut s"alber f"ur sich luege.'
|> >Lenken?  L"ugen?  Ich weiss es nicht.
|> 

Uebersetzung: "Nein, jetzt muessen die Leute selbst fuer sich schauen."
D.h., es gibt keine Person mehr, die sie abschrimt, beschuetzt, sich um sie
kuemmert. Die Leute muessen es nun in die eigene Hand nehmen.

 
|> Obwohl die Schweizer enormen Wert auf die Eigenstaendigkeit
|> "ihres" 'Schwizer-Duetsch' legen, gibt es soweit ich weiss - wie
|> bei anderen Dialekten auch - keine einheitliche Schriftform.
|> Deswegen ist die Niederschrift - und somit die Interpretation -
|> eines mundartlichen Ausspruch immer etwas willkuerlich.

In der umgangsprachlichen Schriftform sicher, allerdings ...

|> Weiss jemand, ob es etwa doch ein Woerterbuch fuer den Schweizer
|> Dialekt des Deutschen gibt. Den Schweizern koennte man es zu-
|> trauen.

gibt es ein Woerterbuch fuer die Schweizer Sprache (wenn die Flamen eine
eigene Sprache haben... :-)). Es ist ein Mammutwerk mit dem Namen "Idiotikon"
(aus gr. Idios -> Idiom und nicht von Idiot (auch wenn beide vom gleichen
gr. Wort abstammen)).

Michael Rys
From: UKS038@DMSWWU1A.BITNET
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Wohlstand in Deutschland
Date: 12 Apr 92 17:02:27 GMT
Article-I.D.: DMSWWU1A.92103.131208UKS038
Organisation: Westfaelische Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany

Das ist ja wohl der groesste Witz, den die Welt je gebracht hat,
gerade ein Monster-Konzern sollte sich klar darueber sein, dass wohl
in wenigen Laendern (mal die USA ausgenommen) soviele Leute sich
den Schaedel darueber zerbrechen, wie sie aus dem Haufen Geld den
sie schon besitzen noch mehr zu machen...
Wieviele Studenten studieren denn nur um spaeter mal ordentlich Knete
zu machen ? (Ich will mich da garnicht ausschliessen...)
Falls Du mir nicht glaubst, sprich mal mit ein paar Juristen, oder BWLern...

Goetz Schrader UKS038@DMSWWU1A.BITnet
From: hf@informatik.uni-kl.de (Harald Fuchs)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Okay, wir muessen aber doch aufpassen (was Re: das heisst also.(usw))
Date: 14 Apr 92 16:38:32 GMT
	<ku6cjrINN640@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> <ku7cjkINNi5p@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu>
Organization: Kaiserslautern University, Germany
In-reply-to: werner@cs.utexas.edu's message of 9 Apr 92 02:56:52 GMT

In article <ku7cjkINNi5p@dimebox.cs.utexas.edu> werner@cs.utexas.edu (Werner Uhrig) writes:

           (wobei ich mir im Moment nicht sicher bin, ob Deutschland
           nach 1930 noch viel unter Reparationszahlungen litt, wie
           dies ohne Zweifel nach 1920 der Fall wahr).

Psychologisch litt Deutschland noch viel laenger unter der Demuetigung
von Versailles. Finanziell nach 1932 nicht mehr. Bruening gelang es,
den Erlass der Reparationszahlungen zu erreichen. Als er nach
Deutschland zurueckkam und die Neuigkeit freudestrahlend Hindenburg
verkuenden wollte, musste er erfahren, dass er bereits abgesetzt sei.
(So aehnlich zumindest hab ich's vor 20 Jahren in der Schule gelernt.)
Wer weiss, vielleicht waere alles ganz anders gekommen, wenn
Hindenburg mit der Absetzung Bruenings noch ein paar Tage gewartet
haette...
--

Harald Fuchs <hf@informatik.uni-kl.de>
From: johe@njmsa.umdnj.edu (Rene Johe)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Don't even try to argue with han@anadolu.michigan.com
Date: 6 Apr 92 14:31:14 GMT
Organization: New Jersey Medical School, Newark NJ
Originator: johe@njmsa.umdnj.edu



Till Poser writes:

>On a lighter note:
>Those of us, who use xXxrn (extended X Industries X-Windows ReadNews,
>with the heavy weapons option, motto: "Reach out and _torch_ people!")
>and feel _really_ annoyed, please enter the Menu "Kill", Submenu "Over
>Kill", menu item "ICBMNET Interface", and answer the Questions. The
>ICBMNET adress is 83.2N42.4W. It should also rid us of the recurrent,
>interminable and boring John P. Palmer problems. 
>{whimsical sarcasm alert, for all You conceptually impaired boneheads
>out there}

Am I the only one who finds this barely humourous, technically constipated,
and intellectually offensive "noise" incessantly boring? Or am I the only
"bonehead," as Till suggests, in this group?

R.J.
Xref: sparky soc.culture.german:3077 de.soc.politik:269
From: marit@tpki.toppoint.de (Marit Hansen)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,de.soc.politik
Subject: Re: BGH: Weite Teile der Parteienfinanzierung sind verfassungswidrig!
Date: 15 Apr 92 09:27:49 GMT
Organization: Toppoint Mailbox e.V.


stolcke@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (Andreas Stolcke) writes:
>Both "big" parties will probably not like this, but the CDU/CSU is likely
>the one hurt most, since their membership base is smaller and they are the
>classical recipients of big bucks from their corporate clientele.
>This is what I recall from memory and/or personal prejudice.  Does anyone
>have precise figures of how much money German parties get from whom?

Here you are.

Quelle: Grafik von INDEX FUNK,
        abgedruckt in den Kieler Nachrichten am 10.04.92


Das Geld der Parteien - Einnahmen 1990

                 CDU      SPD      CSU      FDP      Gruene
		 
in Mio.DM       330,4    318,0     89,8     83,8     44,0
davon
Mitglieds-       26,3%    40,6%    17,7%    13,5%    23,6%
beitraege
Staatsmittel     45,4%    43,1%    39,2%    54,9%    45,1%
*)
Spenden          21,9%    11,5%    39,8%    27,5%    23,8%

sonstiges         6,4%     4,8%     3,3%     4,1%     7,5%


*) Staatsmittel: Wahlkampfkostenerstattung und Chancenausgleich

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From: suzi@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Suzan Ehdaie)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Electronic MoshA'aereh (why not :-)?)
Keywords: Poetry and more poetry
Date: 15 Apr 92 16:26:13 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

In article <1992Apr15.042744.8543@cs.ubc.ca> fayegh@cs.ubc.ca (David Fayegh) writes:
>aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb) writes:
>
>>	to kaz mehnateh digarAn bighamy
>
>>		nashAyad ke nAmat dahand Adamy
>
>>yeh bedeh.
>
>	yAd-e to konam delam tapeedan geerad
>		khoonAbeh z-e deedeh-am chakeedan geerad
>
>	har jA khabar-e doost reseedan geerad
>		beechAreh delam z-e khod rameedan geerad
>
>dAl please.


	Dar no-omidi basi omid ast

		Paayaan-e shab-e seyah sepid ast

	
	Now "te" with 2 dots.
From: afghahi@news.cs.odu.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: re: Rostam
Date: 9 Apr 92 20:11:15 GMT
Organization: Old Dominion University Dept. of CS, Norfolk VA
Originator: afghahi@buttercup.cs.odu.edu

In article <1992Apr1.203650.7232@@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>ameri writes:
#In article <1992Apr01.184457.3538@@eng.umd.edu> alireza@@eng.umd.edu writes:
>In article <1992Mar30.213812.22592@@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> you write:
>>In article<1992Mar29.141724.23322@@cs.odu.edu>afghahi@@news.cs.odu.edu writes:
>>>"Dorood bar shoma"
>>>Recently, a bias individual had disputed the origion of the following:
>>>"ze shir shottor khordan -o- sosmAr
>>>                                    arab rA beh jAee ressidast cAr
>>> keh tAj -e- kiAny konad Arezoo
>>>                                    toffo bar to ay charkh-e- gardon toffo"
>>>The above is indeed from "ostAd" Ferdosi. One could find it in:
>>>	source: ShahnAmeh
>>>	chapter: "PAd-e-shAhy-e-yazdgerd"
>>>	section: "NAmeh-e-rostam-e-farokhzAd beh saad-ebn-e-vaghAs
>>>		  va pAsokh-e- oo"
>>>"KhodA negahdAr"
>> So in a nutshell we learn that Rostam-e-farokhzad was a racist. 
>No, we learn that, first of all he didn't like his country to be invaded
>and secondly he probably didn't like khoresht sosmar (lizzard stew).
>Payandeh Baad Iran
>Alireza
# Well, It was very noble of him that he did not want his country invaded
# but he was too much of a racist to take a "SoosmAr-khor" seriously.
# But then again all the RACISTS are losers. By the way
# maybe you can tell me how that Khoresht tastes because I don't remember 
# having had that or heard of that in Iran  and rostam-e-farokhzAd did lose.
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Mr Ameri
Rostam-e-farokhzAd fought ,and died for Iran. What have you done for Iran?
Who are you to judge him?  You have the nerve to express satisfaction
in the fact that tAzis won the battle of ghAdesieh. TAzis came ,killed,
burned ,stole , raped, beslaved and sold our ancestors in slave markets of
arabestAn, and you are happy about that?!  You are not an iranian ,
rather you are an anti-iranian.   What bothers you about rostam is
his honesty. He said it as it was. 
Indeed iranians lost the battle of ghAdesieh. However as Saady says:
"sangeh bad gohhar agar cAseh zarrin beshekast
                            ghymat-e- sang nayafzAyad-o-zar kam nashavad"
In addition,iranians managed to kick the invators out.Iranians still have their
own culture and identity. Your bodies tried again about 12 years ago.Eventhough
they were united against us as they have never united against anybody including
isreal, they were kicked out once again. So eventhough we lost the battle of
ghAdesieh, it seems we did not loose the war after all. 
"pAyandeh Iran"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: payman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi)
Subject: Re: Terrorist Khomeini regime attacks an NLA Base
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 02:18:55 GMT

In article <saied.702778817@odin> saied@odin.unomaha.edu (Saied*) writes:
>
>First, the Iraqis had no intention of overthrowing the Khomeini
>regime and thus their resources was not used as such.

At least, please get your facts straight:

1) From the onset of the war in 1980 till the cease fire
   in 1988, both the Iranian and Iraqi governments called on
   the opposing nation to rise up and overthrow its regime.
   These calls; the support of armed opposition groups in the
   two countries; attempts to invade the territory of the
   other side; and a host of other attempts represent a clear
   intention on the part of the Iraqi government to overthrow
   the regime in Tehran, and on the part of the Iranian government
   to overthrow the regime in Baghdad.  This is all documented,
   in terms of the recorded messages broadcast from Radio Tehran
   and Radio Baghdad, [Ref. Foreign Broadcast Information Service,
   Washington D.C.]. and elaborated in detail in numerous books
   written on the war.

> ... With all the help it receive from Israel and 
>the US, the Khomeini regime was only able to take over the Faw
>island but was kicked out in 1988.

2) Compared to the help Iraq received from among other countries,
   France, and the former USSR, the help Iran received from outside
   sources was very small.  This is well documented, in terms
   of the amount of military expenditure, and in terms of the
   variety, types, and quantity of weapons received by the two
   sides. [Ref. Anthony Cordesman: Lessons of Modern War, 1991;
   Dilip Hiro: The Longest War: The Iran-Iraq Military Conflict, 1991].

3) According to at least one source [Ref. Robin Wright: In the
   Name of God: The Khomeini Decade, 1989], the operation to retake
   Faw was planned and directed by U.S. military commanders.  
   Iranian field commanders in the area reported sighting US
   helicopters being used against them in the attack.  

payman
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: root@ncube.com (Operator)
Subject: Re: PERSIAN MEN
Organization: nCUBE HeadQuarters
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:45:04 GMT


Just out of curiosity who are you and what is your name?


Captain Zod...
zod@ncube.com

>Dear lida,
>I am a twenty six year old woman , who has been going out with a persian
>man for five  years. And I am persian also. May be I am more experienced
>than you are!!!! since I am older, so let me give you some advise.
>I have been in USA for 7 years and I have had two persion boyfriends.
>Let me tell you this, that one of them was total jurk and this one is
>total sweetheart. It is so hard to generalize them(persian men), as old
>fashion or open minded. But by the granma's law!, dont get friendy with
>them unless you know them well. Because "be ghole maroof agar beheshon
>roo bedy, shalwar ham mikhan." By the way I don't want to insult one but
>unfortunately it is true. By the way I like to "vaght ra ghanimat beshmaram"
>appreciate the very open minded and educated Iranian in this network..
From: javad@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov (Javad Boroumand;NSIUSO)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Terrorist Khomeini regime attacks an NLA Base
Date: 6 Apr 92 21:54:53 GMT
Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center

mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi) writes:


> Dear Mr(s.?) Saied*

> It seems to me that you have a great deal of information about MKO. 
> Please give us 'More details' information on how/why/when MKO attacked
> innocent Iranian villagers who live close to Iran/Iraq border. I read
> something about that on Headlines News but it was not given on 'details'.

Headline News mentioned the regime's news agency as the source for the
villages attack. It has not been independently confirmed.  The regime's
attack against NLA has been acknowledged by the regime.  The NLA has
denied the alleged village attacks.  The regime should ask the UN to
visit the villages to comfirm its claim.  That's how it is
usually done in such cases.  Last year when the regime attacked NLA
bases after the Gulf War, NLA asked the UN to visit the area.  
Besids, you can not prove a negative.

Also with regard to 'details':  what Saied has posted is just a brief
translation of what Mojahedin have announced through their telephone
news service and TV programs.  The details are there just in case if
you are interested and also in case if Saied did not get a chance to
translate and post them.  

> Thanks in advance
> Amir Taghavi*

Best regards
-- Javad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian)
Subject: Re: Reply to  Bahaies  gang
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Mo.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 04:55:32 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.030845.10939@rdg.dec.com> hakim@bigq.enet.dec.com (Kamran Hakim) writes:

.......

Dear Kamran,

	I appreciate your kindness, patience and respect. Your method of 
discussion really works most of the time. You EXPRESS your agreement,
whenever you agree and you are fair in a lot of judgments, you accept your 
faults, you make a lot of compliments, this is really pleasant for the 
opposite side! But I am so senseless regarding this! (Sorry!)
	Well, feelings and sentiments are necessary, but not sufficient.
Let me tell you honestly something: when you told me about Bab and Baha,
one of the first things that I thought about, was the resemblance to the
story of Jesus and his denial by Jews. I honestly asked myself: how do I
know that the same thing is not happening again? Well, this was the job
of my feelings. It was indeed necessary. Without such feelings, one could
easily kill Ali-ibn-Abitaleb and think it is "ebadat" and do it on "ghadr"
night for more "savab"! But it was not sufficient. I cannot provide enough
logic to sustain this assumption. It's not acceptable to interpret everything
spiritually. Let me give you an example: In "Seffin" "Ammar" the famous
companion of the prophet got killed. The followers of Mo'avieh who had heard
the famous Hadith that "the killers of Ammar are misled" began to doubt in
their way. Mo'avieh said: "it was Ali who in fact killed Ammar, because
he was the real cause of this war !!! ". There are other examples too which
show that people disregarded the truth despite the clear warning of the
prophets (e.g. the story of people of Saleh (a)). In fact I believe that
most of the time (if not always) warnings are clear. If you want to 
INTERPRET EVERYTHING, then I don't know why we should believe in God himself.
I'll come up with an interpretation and say God means your soul (or something).
Why the Jewish scripture, as you describe, does not match Jesus, I don't
have access to the REAL Towrat; if I did, I would be able to judge.

Maybe I am more eager than you to be a real follower of Mahdi (a). I am sure
that when he will appear, he will be denied by a lot of people. But at the
same time I cannot rush onto the first man who claims to be Mahdi (a).
Indeed Bab was not the only one to claim to be Mahdi(a). So it's just a matter
of REAL CAUTION. Bab's contradictory claims and his personality simply does
not match with Mahdi(a). And also I do not believe that predictions about
Mahdi(a) are to be interpreted so much to change the whole thing.

Dear kamran,
I'll be happy to read any information you post on this subject, but let's
please stop this discussion right now. However I want you to promise me
something. Read Ali Shari'ati and Morteza Motahari's work, specially on
the subject of Mahdi(a). Nothing important will be lost. At least you
will have a better knowledge about others' view.

Though I am not impressed, but it is necessary to thank you again for your
kindness and respect.

Seyyed.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian