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From: jill@super.org (Amelia L. Scott)
Subject: Roman 8-point Stars
Followup-To: post it or jill@super.org
Keywords: Roman, Antioch, mosaic, 8-point star, tesserae 
Organization: Supercomputing Research Center (Bowie, MD)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:38:59 GMT

Well, yesterday (Nov 11) was Veteran's Day in the US.  One 
of those holidays where we all take a moment and think of 
our war dead, etc.  Since I'm a veteran myself, I decided
to spend my day off in a place that would make me think of
all of those lost & forgotten lifestyles--the Baltimore 
Museum of Art.  
	If anyone is not familiar with it, the BMA has a 
truly stellar exhibit for a museum of its size.  I went up to   
see all of my old favorites in the Cone room.  The Cone sisters
donated their entire collection of modern art to the museum, so
as a result, it has some of the nicest Matisse canvases and 
sculptures, as well as works by Picasso, Mondrian, Cezanne, 
Degas, etc.  (A few of the Matisse canvases have gone to the 
NYC Matisse show for a while.)  It's been a while since I've 
been here, so I just strolled about and got re-acquainted with
some of my old friends.
	Anyway, I turned a corner and came out into the       
courtyard and came face-to-face with the Antioch mosaics.  The 
BMA had an archeological dig in the 1920-30'ish era that exposed
the ancient city of Antioch.  They found several houses/temples
that had mosaics in terrific condition.  The Syrian government 
generously granted ownership of some of the pieces to the BMA.  
	Being of a fiber-turn-of-mind, I started thinking of the
best way to translate the mosaics into fiber renditions.  Purely 
academic, of course...think of the time that would be involved!
(Old-fashioned rug hooking would probably be the best since the 
tesserae [naturally colored stone chips & colored glass bits that 
make up the mosaics] are not set in a grid fashion, but run in 
swirls and angles)  I turned another corner and *Lo, and Behold*
there was a mosaic of 8-point stars!  I guess it always escaped me
before that the 8-point star design is so old.  The mosaics date 
from the 3rd century.  But to see basically a stone quilt was 
totally awesome.  I'm not a quilter (yet), but I can appreciate the
work.  I also saw a 4-point star that I've seen in quilt patterns 
before.  It had a center block that looked like a squarish-thing with
squished in sides surrounded by 4 pieces that looked like small kites.
The fat end of the kite faced the squarish-block and the skinny end 
of the kite faced outward.  
	The mosaics were lavish.  Pictures of banquets, lions, goats, 
boars, parrots with ribbons around their necks (no, I'm not kidding!), 
grapevines, ducks, urns, and geometrics.  Some of the geometrics show
the same spatial characteristics of M.C. Escher's drawings.  Just 
incredible....reminds me of some of the mosaics that I saw in Istanbul.

			jill@super.org
			Jill Scott-Piner
From: sohara@ldgo.columbia.edu (suzanne ohara)
Subject: Re: dressmaker's dummy
Keywords: dressmaker's dummy
Organization: Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 17:37:05 GMT

 I made a dressmaker's dummy from a kit a few years ago and
I have been very happy with it. I think the kit was called
"my buddy". I followed the instructions to make a mold of
my body and then used the mold to make the dummy. It has 
stood up well to use and I think it cost about $70 for 
the complete kit. I found out about the company that I bought
the kit from in a Threads article and if anyone is interested,
I can probably find the address of the company in my 
records.

Suzanne (sohara@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu)
From: riggle@adobe.com (Kathleen Riggle)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Re: Holiday Gift Projects
Date: 13 Nov 92 18:09:30 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated

In article <1dulcsINNq1i@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> vln@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff) writes:


>I've thought of using PostScript to make everyone a calendar that had all
>the family birthdays, etc, on the appropriate days, but I haven't done it....

My sister did this one year, but she took it a step farther.  She is
an artist, so she painted watercolor paintings for everyone, mounted
them on foam board and then printed the calendars with some calendar
software she had (it was pretty basic.)  She put the calendar pages at
the bottom of the foam board.  After the year was over, you could cut
the foam board in half and frame the picture.

Of course, last time I was home, I noticed my grandmother still had
the orignal calendar hanging in her house.  I think it was from 1986.
:-)

You could also put a child's piece of artwork on the top or a photo or
cross-stitch or whatever.

Kathie




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From: MAHE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
Subject: Re: finishing edges
Organization: Yale University
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 12:45:19 EST

Not everybody owns a serger :-).
 
A simple step up from the old zig-zag is to add Seams Great to the
seam before you stitch over it.  It's a nylon knit, very light.  You
pull it very gently to see in which direction it curls naturally,
then release, and fold it over the seam in the natural curl direction
before zig-zagging over it (without pulling).  It keeps fraying down to a
minimum, and in any case keeps the stray threads controlled.
 
Better yet, you can do the exact same thing with 'step zigzag'.
Many machine with more than just straigh-and-zigzag have it, it's
just like a zigzag except each zig has several stiches, like this:
\    /\    /\
 \  /  \  /
  \/    \/
It keeps things flatter and controls fraying better in the long term.
 
Then again, if you're feeling ambitious, you can try your hand at
flat-felled seams and French seams, where every edge is enclosed.
Those can't be made on a serger :-).
 
Marie-Christine
mahe-marie-christine@yale.edu
From: arien@stein.u.washington.edu (arien kismet del'tai)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Water stains on velvet!
Date: 6 Nov 92 05:24:04 GMT
Organization: University of Blegga

Please help me -- I have a long, black velvet (thick, luxurious *mmn* :)
coat that's lined, and has creamy fur at the throat.  It was my great-
grandmother's.  Anyway, I wore it out once and managed to get water
droplet 'stains' on it -- d'you have any clue as to how to get those
out well?  The nap seems to be lying incorrectly rather than it being an
actual color-stain.	Thanks!
				Katrina
From: ntitley@axion.bt.co.uk (Nigel Titley)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Mary Otto
Date: 13 Nov 92 09:20:16 GMT
Reply-To: ntitley@axion.bt.co.uk (Nigel Titley)
Organization: British Telecom Research Labs


I promise *not* to mention the dreaded word b--o.

Can I just say that when I was last in Chicago, Mary took time off to
drive me to FermiLab, take me to her local Craft store, take me out for
a meal and generally make me feel welcome. All this on the basis of a short
exchange of e-mail about machine knitting (we are both into machine knitting).

Any chance of letting this subject rest.... The nice thing about this group
has always been the lack of flames.

Nigel Titley

Email: NTitley@axion.bt.co.uk
Snail: British Telecom Research labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, Suffolk, UK
"Well, I'm disenchanted too. We're all disenchanted." (James Thurber)
From: ALI00ERW@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.sewing
Subject: Re: finishing edges
Date: 11 Nov 92 17:27:14 GMT
Organization: UNC Charlotte

In article <1992Nov11.111700.58312@qut.edu.au>
whitaker@qut.edu.au writes:
 
>
>Does anybody know of a good way of finishing edges without an overlocker?
>(I think this is the same as a serger).
>I would like to make a shirt as a gift, but would be embarrassed if the
>finishing was as bad as mine usually is: I just zigzag the edges and they
>tend to fray. I don't have access to an overlocker/serger,
>
>Thanks,
>Beth
 
How about sewing french seams (french felling)? I know this is more work
because you have to sew the seams twice (once the "wrong" way and once the
"right" way), but it looks really nice.  I made a dress shirt for a boy-
friend back in 1986 and french felled all the seams. It worked just fine.
I also do this for items made from sheer fabrics.
 
Erin
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From: charleen@net.bio.net (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: alt.sewing,rec.antiques,alt.fashion
Subject: Mailing list for vintage clothing and costume jewelry
Date: 12 Nov 92 16:21:26 GMT
Followup-To: poster
Organization: BIOSCI International Newsgroups for Biology

I can't seem to find an appropriate newsgroup for the discussion
of the above topics, probably because there is none. :-)

So I'm starting a mailing list.  If the number of subscribers
reaches 100 or more, and we see a lot of traffic on the list, then
we can see about having a newsgroup created.

Costume jewelry is rapidly becoming *the* collectible of the Nineties,
especially signed (imprinted with manufacturer's hallmark) pieces.
Prices on top quality rhinestone pieces are rising.  I'd imagine that
the list would try to answer questions about certain manufacturers and
their marks (one major jewelry company used nearly 20 different marks),
sources for reasonably priced pieces, current values, cleaning and
repair, etc.

To subscribe, send mail to vintage-request@presto.ig.com or simply
reply to this posting.

Charleen
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From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)
Subject: Internet software for FTP's PC/TCP ???
Organization: Coast Community College District, Costa Mesa, CA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:06:27 GMT

I'm compiling a list of all the Internet software packages that are
compatible with FTP Software's PC/TCP TCP/IP stack.  If you can make any
additions to this list, please send me e-mail.  I'll post a summary in about
a week.

The following are software packages compatible with FTP Software's PC/TCP:

tasman.cc.utas.edu.au
	/pc/trumpet/abi-version/
		newsabi.zip	Trumpet NNTP news reader
		newsftp.zip	shim for PC/TCP

casbah.acns.nwu.edu
	/pub/nupop
		nupop103.zip	POP mail client (+ Finger, IP finder, Webster)

oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu
	/public/dos/misc
		archied.exe	Archie client
		dosgofer.exe	Gopher client
		oacwais.exe	WAIS client

Not available for anonymous ftp yet:
(to be released RSN)
		FTPNuz		NNTP news reader

Qualcomm Inc is currently porting Eudora (SMTP, POP) from the Mac to the PC for
both DOS and Windows.
-- 
Mark Bixby                         Internet: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu
Coast Community College District   1370 Adams Avenue
District Information Services      Costa Mesa, CA, USA  92626
Technical Support                  (714) 432-5064
"You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish." - tunefs(1M)
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From: SEB1525@MVS.draper.com (Steve Bacher)
Subject: Re: More people would use gopher if ...
Organization: Draper Laboratory
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 13:14:00 GMT

In article <BxMJLI.n0B@news.cso.uiuc.edu>,
lnosek@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Luke Nosek) writes:

>        ... IT DIDN'T HAVE SUCH A STUPID NAME!!!

....

>        I really like gopher - the access to information in such a format
>is a great idea - but they oughta call it something that people can feel proud
>about when they use it!

Since this is an alt. group, I feel free to pursue this thread... :-)

Would you prefer that it be called something like "Network Information
Retrieval Service"?  That would either put everyone to sleep or make
them think it was (worse) an IBM product.

Short, colorful, easy-to-remember, vivid names are GOOD.

--
Steve Bacher (Batchman)                 Draper Laboratory
Internet: seb@draper.com                Cambridge, MA, USA
Newsgroups: alt.gopher
From: tm8025a@american.edu
Subject: New Gopher
Reply-To: Infinite Guitar
Organization: The American University Computing Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:13:53 GMT

I am currently using the 1.1 version of Gopher for NeXT and am wondering if  
there is a new version and if there is a new version where I can get it?

Send Reply to Newsgroup or to: tm8025a@american.edu
Newsgroups: alt.med.cfs
From: gypsy@world.std.com (Meredith Lesly)
Subject: Boston area practice
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Distribution: NE
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:27:35 GMT

Three people have already written to me asking about the medical practice I
go to. In the interest of keeping my mail manageable and helping folks in
the area I thought I'd post the information here.

I see a woman named Jeanne Hubbuch, who shares a practice with two other
female doctors. All three seems to specialize in CFS, EI, MCS, and similar
problems. They combine holistic medicine and traditional medicine, which
makes me comfortable. For example, Jeanne did not immediately prescribe
antibiotics when I had some severe chest congestion, the way most doctors
seem to do, but was willing to do so when herbal treatments (echinecea in
particular) didn't work.

Jeanne is very warm and listens carefully. I originally went to her on a
consult, because my regular doctor kept saying I was just taking a long
time recovering from mono. She diagnosed my fibromyalgia immediately,
recommended tests to make sure I didn't have any of the other illnesses
that cause the same symptoms, and has been generally helpful and
supportive. Needless to say, as soon as my insurance allowed, I switched
to her fulltime.

I don't know the other two doctors there, but I believe they are of similar
quality.

Their phone number is 965-7770.

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Date:         Mon, 9 Nov 1992 13:47:44 CST
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From:         Alexandra Bernstein <ABERNSTE@UA1VM.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Trental

yes - what is the name of the practice in Boston - my sister has CFS and
lives in Lexington.

Thanks.


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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:09:15 EST
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From:         BEKI BRINDLE-DEMYER <RLBRINDL@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: "Health-Nut" Quiz
              10 Nov 1992 02:50:59 PST from <rhill@NETRUN.CTS.CO M>

Ron,

    I'm having one of my BAD cfs days today and your message really pulled me
out of a rather BLUE FUNK (?) Why do they call it that?!
    Anyway, Thanks for making me smile, and as they ALSO say (whoever THEY are)
"Laughter is the BEST medicine."


                                  Thanks!                 /
                                         \ .. /          /
                                           ><  ---------/
                                              _\_    _|_

                                           BEKI IN INDY
From: Suzanne.S.Dennis@DARTMOUTH.EDU
Newsgroups: alt.med.cfs
Subject: Dental amalgams
Date: 11 Nov 92 02:48:53 GMT
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--- Liz wrote:
Has anyone successfully had their dental amalgams replaced with less toxic
materials?
--- end of quoted material ---

Liz, I am seeing a chiropractor/naturopath who has had  success with CFIDS
patients, and who has tested me for sensitivity to various metals, and found
'allergies' to copper and gold, ( I have 3 crowns; and lots of fillings).
  He didn't recommend the *extremely radical* step of removal (with its risk
that the process might expose us to higher levels of toxins than we are
already undergoing), but says the metals can be *chelated out* of my body in
a detoxification course of treatment. (In other words, my chemical
sensitivity can be reversed.)   You might like to look into the possibility
of this in your area.

Mothering Magazine had a long article about the dental amalgam problem a
couple of years ago; I'll look for the reference for you.

Sincerely
Suzanne


If you want to talk with him, he is
Dr Kurt Vreeland
Norwich Vt 05055
tel 802-649-3122
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 19:59:04 -0500
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From:         KEGANRO@HUGSE1.HARVARD.EDU
Subject:      SPL therapy

 Has anyone ever heard of a treatment modality called SPL?  It stands
for "staphage lysate", and it's a bacterial
 antigen.  I see an osteopath for CFS, and he recommended that I try it.
He's someone who I basically trust, although sometimes his ideas are pretty
far out.  Anyway, he doesn't particularly buy the theory that the symptoms
of CFS are caused by an up-regulated immune system.  He says SPL is generally
of CFS are caused by an up-regulated immune system.  He says SPL is generally
used for chronic infections, to help boost peoples immune systems.  Evidently
you take the treatment through injections and through aerosol.
He was able to give me some written material about it, but it was mostly from
the company that produces SPL.  He says there are no risks, but I'm
concerned.  Since I got sick with CFIDS, (I had a sudden onset, a little over
2 years ago) I haven't gotten any other illness on top of the CFS, not even a
cold.  So I'm a little nervous about taking something that supposedly will
boost my immune system.

Anyway, if anyone has any info, I'd love to hear it.  Or if anyone has any
tips about how I could get more information.  I was really glad to hear
that the next phase of the ampligen study has been O.K.ed -- Kate
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Date:         Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:04:10 EST
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From:         BEKI BRINDLE-DEMYER <RLBRINDL@INDYCMS.BITNET>

THAT'S IT ! ADMINISTRATIUM  CAUSES CFS !!!  I sensed this but was afraid to
challenge those neutrons at the top for fear of losing my position during restr
ucturing.           Thank You for yet MORE good medicine !!!

                                  BEKI !
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Date:         Thu, 5 Nov 1992 23:12:00 -0500
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From:         Barry Drodge <brd@IMAGES1.WATERLOO.NCR.COM>
Subject: Vaccinations? Good or bad for CFS/ME people

Greetings:

My family physician has recommended that I get a DTP (diptheria,tetanus,polio)
booster. I have heard that this my cause setbacks and generally not improve your
 health.  I have also heard that theymay or may not have the desired
effect (immunity).

Any comments on this woould be appreciated.

--
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 15:38:41 EST
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From:         Dale Drake <DDRAKE@INDYCMS.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Dental amalgam removal

>Has anyone successfully had their dental amalgams replaced with less toxic
>materials (i.e. gotten better afterwards instead of staying the same or
>getting worse)?

I've done this ... it ended up costing about $2500.  First thing the dentist
did was check for sensitivity to the different types of plastics and resins,
and I ended up needing four gold crowns, which of course added to the cost.

Did it help?  I haven't noticed a dramatic improvement, but am getting slowly
better.  On the Dale-O-Meter I am now running about 6.5 to 7 every day - that
is a 1 to 10 scale my husband and I devised to quickly assess how I'm
feeling without having to dwell on symptoms.  At my worst I was about a 3 -
when i first got the fillings replaced (15 months ago) I was about a 5.
(1 is totally bedridden and 10 is pre-CFS healthy, which I haven't seen
since this hit nearly 3 years ago.)  My dentist, Dr. Gary Walton of
Indianapolis, attributes the improvement to the filling replacement.  I
don't know if that's it or if it's simply gradual improvement over time that
would have occurred anyway.  But I am glad I did it, because it removed a
possible factor from my environment.  And I saw that 60 Minutes show, too,
and didn't like the thought of mercury leaching into my brain over the
next 40 years.

By the way, the test results showed I was highly sensitive to mercury and
zinc, and those results convinced my insurance company to cover the cost.

Oh, also, this entire issue caused me to switch dentists.  My old one
refused to do the replacement.  Told me it would be "unethical."  Go figure.
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Date:         Wed, 11 Nov 1992 00:03:35 EST
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From:         Lenny <LABBEY@GTRI01.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Recovery/relapse cycle

Melcir, what is a "spinal fever"?

Lenny


Leonard Abbey
Georgia Tech
Research Institute
labbey@gtri01.gatech.edu
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Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 1992 20:51:25 EST
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From:         Roger Burns <BFU@NIHCU.BITNET>
Subject: Re: fibromyalgia

> 1. Does anyone yet know if these (CFS, Fibromyalgia)
> are the same, related or just coincidentally have
> similar symptoms?

Most medical researchers are open to the possibility that CFS and
Fibromyalgia may be the same.  Few have a firm opinion one way or
the other.  It's an open question for now.

For your information, there is a support organization called the
Fibromyalgia Network.  They publish a quarterly newsletter ($15 USA,
$17 Canada per year) and will send a list of local support groups
and other patient information if you send them a self-addressed &
stamped (29 cent stamp for 1 oz.) envelope.  Their mailing address is

   FIBROMYALGIA NETWORK
   5700 Stockdale Hwy.  Suite 100
   Bakersfield, CA 93309
   USA

Their office can be reached by telephone from 10am-2pm Monday through
Friday at 1-805-631-1950.


Roger Burns      bfu@cu.nih.gov / bfu@nihcu.bitnet
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Date:         Fri, 13 Nov 1992 12:00:57 EST
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From:         "NATHAN BRINDLE" <NBRINDLE@INDYCMS.BITNET>

My sister Beki has it right on the nose.  She forgot to mention, however,
that her brother is a university bureaucrat.  :)

I might add that I never suffered the kind of symptoms common to CFS sufferers
before I came to work in this office.  I have been here two years in a stuffy,
dusty, hellhole basement office and I never was sick like I have been for those
same two years in my entire life.  Anyone who wants to test environmental
factors for correlation with CFS ought to come visit me...

Beki's Bureaucrat Brother

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