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From: sonic@bearpit.cray.com (Curtis Swanson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Re: IQ Test Creation Question
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:28:22 GMT
Reply-To: sonic@bearpit.cray.com (Curtis Swanson)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

In article <1992Nov11.153255.15070@cbnewse.cb.att.com>,
gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) writes:
>In article <1992Nov11.013623.10030@u.washington.edu>
jimt@carson.u.washington.edu (James Thompson) writes:
>>
>>I can see, though, how a test that covers a wide range of subjects (a "high
>>brainwidth" test) could overcome this:
>>If each section is written by people who specialize in and excell in
that area,
>>then the overall score may be able to indicate higher intelligence than that
>>of any of the writers.  To do this, we assume that the testee is better at
>>some types of problems than others-- that there is some non-uniform
distibution
>>of skills.  In hisr own area of expertise, we can expect that the certifiable
>>genius will "peg" the test.  If the testee also aces a large number of other
>
>In this case, then, you are measuring the quantity of problems the
>testee can complete satisfactorily, and the speed with which the testee
>completes each problem gives that testee an edge in completing other
>problems (testicles?) for which the testee has less ability/intelligence,
>so if you have the balls to do it, you'd be nuts not to try all the
>problems in a case like that.
>
>GM("Too Early")S
         
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From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)
Subject: Re: Why manhole covers are round
Organization: AT&T
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 15:22:34 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.152124.16628@newstand.syr.edu> pbwhite@rodan.acs.syr.edu (White) writes:
>
>Manhole covers are round because:
>
>1)  They are extremely heavy, and they are wheel shaped, making them easy
>	to roll
>2)  A circle is the only shape which will not fall into the hole when
>	rotated.
>3)  A cover which is round does not have to be oriented a special way to
>	fit over the hole
And of course 4) because if a bomb was under the street and Superman
had to protect all the people from the stuff the blew out of the
hole, he could use lots of stuff that's round to plug it up, like
giant tree trunks and really fat people.

Then why would not all street utility covers be round?

GMS
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: franklin@ug.cs.dal.ca (Steve Franklin)
Subject: Re: RESULTS FOR TAI STANDARD INTELLIGENCE TEST
Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 13:37:51 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.031100.27122@ncsu.edu> scott@bogus.network.address (Scott Tai) writes:
>
>The posts are the only tangible information one has
>about rec.org.mensa posters, and these conclusions 
>are based solely on this information.  Cases like
>this are when standardized tests are useful...

   Neat toy. I think that you have too much time on your hands to have
time to create such an analysis beast, but who am I to judge. In any case,
I think that you have slipped into the cranial rut that so many mensans
and pseudo(?)-intellectuals submit to. What measures intelligence.
   If you think that the analysis of sentence structure is an effective
means by which one can analyze and conclusively summate one's intelligence,
then you are sorely mistaken and an exception to your own rule.
   The readability quotients of one's literature has a minute if non-
existant correlation to one's intelligence (Don't read much psychology
do you?). Whether one choose to eloquently express and each every nuance
of their literary prose or not is by no means a careful or accurate 
indication of their intelligence. 
   I think this raises an interesting point within the Mensa culture. I tried
to address it in a recent post on the qualities and measures of "global" 
intelligence, but I fear I'm already in everyone's killfile 8)
   In any case - I suppose the key phrase of yours Scott is that this is
all you have to go on, but that isn't true. The subjective analysis of one's
concepts and ideas should carry much more weight than the grammatical 
structure with which one's ideas are presented. Although your motivations
are meritable, I don't think that these numbers mean a whole lot. Of course,
since I came almost last in everything, perhaps it's possible that I do
have an IQ of 93. I don't think so however...

steve
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From: skh4161@mvs.draper.com (Kjeld Hvatum)
Subject: Re: IQ Test Creation Question
Organization: Draper Laboratory
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 14:51:00 GMT


>From: Chris Long <clong@utopia.rutgers.edu>
>Message-ID: <Nov.10.20.32.25.1992.2471@utopia.rutgers.edu>
>
>In article <01GQZPBF0QIQ8Y5V0F@ccfvx3.draper.com>, Kjeld Hvatum writes:
>
>> That was the LAIT (Langdon Adult Intelligence Test), which is still
>> being used for admission to various high-IQ societies (not including
>> Intertel and Mensa).
>
>Why don't they accept either the LAIT or the other similar tests
>(Mega, Titan)?  Is the floor too high, or just snobbery?

According to Mensa's Supervisory Psychologist, Abbie F. Salny:

   "...We don't take the Mega test because it does not meet
Mensa's constitutional requirements.  The constitution of Mensa
says that a test must be a standardized intelligence test (or
equivalent).  It also says the test must be supervised when it is
taken.  The Mega test doesn't meet either requirement, so we are
not allowed to take it."
From: jcooley@miracle.com (John Cooley)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Transportation to RG's
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 17:58:00 EDT
Organization: Miracle Computer Consultants


 Our New England RG is getting tons of calls from in-state and out of
 state Mensa members looking for transportation...  what's happened?
 Has everyone sold their cars in this economy?

 Question Two: How do other chapters handle this RG transportation
 issue?  Do you have a separate person on the RG planning committee
 whose sole task is to co-ordinate transportation or is this task
 dumped on the RG Registrar?

                                         - John


 ==========================================================================
       John Cooley              Zappa as a waste management engineer: 
                                  "Hey, there, Brother!  Whatcha
    jcooley@miracle.com            doing with that Cosmic Debris?"
From: quest@iowegia.uucp (Steve J. Quest)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: The Dubberstein Effect. (was Marylin Vos Savant.  Personal Info requ
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 19:18:41 CST
Distribution: world
Organization: Iowegia Public Access Usenet/UUCP, Clive IA USA.

hollombe@polymath.tti.com (The Polymath) writes:

> In article <R1PVTB4w165w@iowegia.uucp> quest@iowegia.uucp (Steve J. Quest) wr
> 
> }... He was laughing
> }at the name Duberstein ...
> }... He very well may have been the best man for the job-
> }but his _name_ prevented him from even getting a chance.
> 
> Were I Mr. Duberstein, or in his position, I would consider this a Good
> Thing and my name a useful filter.  I wouldn't want to work for someone
> that stupid or a company that would make him a supervisor.
> 

Jerry,

        Yes, he wouldn't have wanted to work there as I found out 
myself.  You say yu would not want to work for someone that stupid 
or a company that made someone like him a supervisor.  My guess 
is, you probably ALREADY DO!  I know I have a lot of do-nothing 
know-nothings for supervisors now.  How can someone become the 
director of an institution where science education is the theme, 
and they themselves have absolutely NO INTEREST in science or 
education?  That is where I work now................sq

(anybody out there need a slightly used research scientist?  I 
work well with the academically achieved- frustrated by all 
others.)

Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
From: ta-vg11@muddnext1.cc.columbia.edu (Vikas Gupta)
Subject: Re: NEW YORK MENSA
Organization: Columbia University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 20:36:56 GMT

In article <#0_QQ6DG+@linac.fnal.gov> robin@severian.chi.il.us (Robin J.  
Carkhuff) writes:
> 
> >>>>Vikas Gupta writes:
> >>>>Hey is there anybody out there from New York Mensa??
> >>>>I am a memeber of NY MENSA but till now don't know where all that  
partying
> >>>>goes on. 
> >>>>Please help
> 
> >>>Sue Miller writes:
> >>>This man is clearly desperate.  SOMEONE FIND HIM A PARTY!!
> 
> I don't know much about New York Mensa, but I do know that they have an
> active chapter of Hell's M's, the Party SIG.  If you want more  
information
> about this SIG and how to join, drop me a line. (I'm the editor of the
> SIG's newsletter.)
> 
> 
> Robin Carkhuff
> robin@severian.chi.il.us
> 





Can  you send me more info about this SIG
Thanx

Vikas
From: sonic@bearpit.cray.com (Curtis Swanson)
Newsgroups: rec.org.mensa
Subject: Cub'ing Analysis
Date: 11 Nov 92 20:15:52 GMT
Reply-To: sonic@bearpit.cray.com (Curtis Swanson)
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.

GMS writes:

>
>...How 'bout those Cubs!?!?
>

Well, it's getting darn close to hibernation time if you ask me......

Of course, it could be argued that they have been effectively hibernating
for a number of years now....

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From: daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: For sale: tripod, bellows, flash
Date: 11 Nov 92 00:30:40 GMT
Article-I.D.: pony.1992Nov11.003040.4084
Reply-To: daveb@lotus (Dave Brower, DBMS hack, [510] 748-3418)
Organization: Ingres, an ASK Company
Originator: daveb@lotus

For sale:

	Bogen 3046 legs with 3160 mini-fluid head		$160
		(I'm giving up on video, and will throw in
		a Pentax PC-303 point-and-shoot to get this
		out of my closet).

	Soligor bellows, slide copier & roll film stage		 $60
		"It's a Flexomatic!"
		- T mount front for lens with adaptor for Nikon
		- T mount rear for body (needs adaptor, $10-14)

	Vivitar 550FD flash, for Minolta, Pentax, Olympus	 $30
		- dedicated for TTL flash metering
		- ASA 100 GN 80 ft.

All plus shipping.

thanks
-dB

phone:  (H) 510 256-4544
	(W) 510 748-3418

email:  daveb@ingres.com


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From: atomas@geloser.login.qc.ca (J-F Bissonnette)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Incredible blue sky
Date: 12 Nov 92 04:30:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: geloser.oPZ4TB1w164w
Distribution: world
Organization: Gentleman Loser System, Montreal/Qc/Cdn

> 
>   Ektar 100/125, if not underexposed, will produce highly saturated blue skie
> the use of a polarizer, provided the skies are indeed blue and the print is p
> made.  Cheap drugstore prints will often produce a pale magenta cast with ver
> saturation.
> 
>   Not sure about Ektar 25 wrt blue skies, but I sure love the fine grain!
> -*jay  Jay Schlegel --> Intermec Corp., Everett Wa.
> 						     fluke!
> 	jay@intermec.com      OR  -->	    uunet!pilchuck!intermec!jay
(STUFF DELETED)

I agree with the drugstore point but you dont get it at all with 
the type of film as no big effect on the color of the sky.  
I've used many type of films and could get dark sky on just
every one (AND WE TALK OF VERY DARK SKY).  Just try to take
pictures of the sky in different directions and you will see
what I'm talking about.  And to be sure that the type of film
does not matter, try it with slide film...

J.F.


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Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: duane@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (duane.galensky)
Subject: Re: Sharpness
Organization: AT&T
Distribution: na
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:11:49 GMT
Keywords: Sharp

In article <Bx8EpM.Lzs@acsu.buffalo.edu> tklai@acsu.buffalo.edu (Tobysze K. Lai) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.023325.20009@cs.mun.ca> michael9@cs.mun.ca (Michael Sullivan) writes:
>>
>>  The problem is, my pictures aren't coming out as sharp as I would like.
>>Is the sharpness of a photo strictly a function of lense quality?  Or am
>>I not doing something quite right?
>>
>>  I'm using a Pratika 35mm MTL-5 SLR, with a Tamron 70-210 f3.8, the exact
>>model number I am not sure of.
>>
>
>Where did you take the pictures to develop?  One-hour photo store or you 
>develop them by yourself?  One possibility is, if you bring the film to those
>photo finishing labs, the sharpness of the pictures  may vary, depending on
>each indiviual store.  Even the sharpness of the pictures may vary from the 
>same negative printed by the same store.

although it's possible that your lens is simply not up to snuff,
i'd doubt that it would be so bad as to be noticeable on a
4x6 print.  if you're going for big enlargements, lens quality
can be more of a factor.

first, look at the film (not the print) to judge the sharpness (if 
you have access to a loupe.)  look for how crisply edges are resolved
in the negative or slide.  if edges near the center seem fuzzy,
you're most likely to be either simply out of focus or shaking 
the camera.

try keeping the shutter speed faster than 1/focal length (1/250 
for the long end of your lens) or try a tripod.

duane
From: bu890@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Segal)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Reliable Strobe System (Speedotron,DynaLite, etc) ?
Date: 11 Nov 1992 12:49:26 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I have been using 3 photogenic POwerlight - 600 monolights for quite some time.
They are excellent lights, the only complaint I have is that they lack 
an audible ready signal, only visual.  They pack a heck of a wallop,
are variable over 5 stops, recycle in seconds, and are quite reasonably
priced.

My studio is in my house, and the 3 lights can all flash on high Popower at once             
without blowing any fuses or tripping the breaker on my powerbar.

Worth consideration.

brian
From: frankenp@argon.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Paul Frankenstein  )
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Embarrassed with Ektachromes
Date: 9 Nov 92 15:32:47 GMT
Organization: x=(x^2)+C

This weekend, my father, his brother, and myself dug out some old 8mm film
of their (the two old folks) childhood.... most of it was on Kodachrome, the
rest B+W. The oldest one dated back to 1940, and if there was any fading
at all, I certainlly couldn't see it....

paul
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From: feldman@hal9k.cxo.dec.com (james feldman)
Subject: Re: Beseler 23C
Keywords: Beseler
Reply-To: feldman@hal9k.cxo.dec.com (james feldman)
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Distribution: rec
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:06:48 GMT

In article <sfleisch.721415276@hydra>, sfleisch@convex.com (Steve Fleischman) writes:
|>What is the maximum size negative that
|>the Beseler 23C enlarger can handle?
It's supposed to cover up to 6x9.  It covers my 6x7 w/o problem.
--
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Digital Equipment Corp              || Digital Sales Rep.
CSC/Colorado Springs                || 

My opinions are my own and in no way reflect Digital's POV (unless they're
charging somebody for me to give them).
From: burke@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Michael Burke)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Reliable Strobe System (Speedotron,DynaLite, etc) ?
Date: 11 Nov 92 21:47:51 GMT
Reply-To: burke@npg-sd.SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (Michael Burke)
Organization: NCR Corp., Network Products - San Diego

In article <1dp4s0INN1vo@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> marc@.East.Sun.COM (Marc
Thompson-Sun-Vienna VA-Systems Engineer) writes:
>Gang,
>
>I am looking at purchasing a strobe system for a home studio. My main
>interest is fashion

Along the lines of "you can never have too big a studio to work in..."

You can never have enough watt-seconds, or fast enough recycle times.  

The more power you use from a pack, the longer the duration of the flash -- 
this can get down into the shutter speed range where motion will blur.

Long recycle times cause missed expressions and poses.

Shooting through softboxes or umbrellas eats up light.  

Just a few things to consider.  A couple thousand watt-seconds gets used up
fast even in a small studio if you want any kind of DOF, especially if your
subject isn't sitting still...

MCB
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: Myron Gochnauer <GOCH@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Medium format - buying advice wanted
Organization: The University of New Brunswick
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 22:29:49 GMT

In article <Bx7srJ.348@news.orst.edu> monson@hobo.ECE.ORST.EDU (Ty Monson) writes:
>In article <1992Nov4.202012.1167@ryn.mro4.dec.com> faust@faust.enet.dec.com () writes:
>>
>>I have heard from a fellow photographer here at Digital that there tends to be
>>excessive mirror vibration at the slower speeds (I think it was 1/15 to 1/60)
>>which caused noticable unsharpness in the negatives. He ended up checking
>>this with a Pentax engineer who worked on the 6x7, and he stated it was a
>>known problem. He has since sold the camera, as most of his work fell in this
>>range.
>
> I presume this is in reference to the Pentax 6x7 body. The newer models
> have a mirror lock-up feature that eliminates the mirror shake during
> exposure. It does drain the battery so long as the mirror is up,
> according to the Pentax manual.
>
> (rambling on)
>
> I recently purchased one of the old Pentax 6x7 bodies, second hand
> from a camera store. It had a faulty shutter. The store honored their
> warranty and sent the body off for repair. Word came back that it was
> unrepairable. The store returned my money (Phew!) but I was really put
> off by the realization that an entire camera body becomes scrap if there
> is a problem with the shutter. It has gotten me thinking seriously
> about the merits of systems that put the shutter in the lens, rather than
> the body.
>
> P.S. For readers in the Portland, Oregon area - the store was
>      Pro Photo Supply. They were ethical, even though the equipment
>      wasn't any good.
>.
I own three Pentax 6x7 bodies, two of which I purchased used (*very* use
d!). One does not have a mirror lock-up. I have not noticed any signi-
ficant difference in sharpness between the bodies, and I often shoot
at 1/60 or slower. However, I use a *very* heavy tripod, and often
place my hand on the prism during exposure.
Regarding repairs, here in Canada I get extremely good service, and
no one has suggested the oldest body/shutter cannot be repaired. But
then, I haven't had any need to send it in since I had it reconditioned
right after I bought it about 4 years ago.
Re lenses: my experience has been that the 90mm and 105mm normal lenses
are about a good as you could ask for. I have had no reason to complain
about the 165 and 200 either. But the shorter lenses seem to me to be
rather soft in the corners. (I have owned and used the 75, old 55, 45,
and the next-to-newest 55.) I'm comparing all of these lenses with
4x5 lenses, and printing B&W 8x10 and 11x14.
In the end, I think you just have to try the cameras and see what you
are comfortable with. I chose Pentax over Haslblad because it 'felt'
right for my style. I have never regretted the choice since I first
starting using Pentax 6x7 in 1977.
Good luck! (And have fun.)

Myron
>.
From: Jimmy.Tung@dartmouth.edu (Jimmy Tung)
Newsgroups: rec.photo
Subject: Re: Lunar magnification
Date: 12 Nov 92 03:25:24 GMT
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0a5@newshost.dartmouth.edu

> Why does the sun/moon appear larger when it is closer to the horizon?

Cecil Adams of "The Straight Dope" fame covers this topic in one of his
books (More of the S.D., I think), as well as its original appearance
in the various asundry alternative newrags his column runs in.

As I recall, the end analysis is that it is all in our minds.  You
don't need to take a photo to quickly prove it.  Simply use some
measuring device (calipers, bent paperclip) and measure the moon at
it's "largest" appearance, and later that night, when it has apparently
diminished in size.  You should find that the size is actually
constant, despite the apparent difference.

I don't know if this is along the same lines, but you may have noticed
that the moon taken with a 50 mm lens (35 mm format) as part of a
landscape (ie moon over trees, behind neato building) often appears
smaller than you remember.  I guess the solution is to use a longer
lens, so that the apparent subject to background distance distortion
works to make the pic the way you remember it.  I haven't gotten around
to trying this yet b/c every full moon I seem to have other things on
my mind besides lugging around the tripod and long lens ... ;-).
Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au
Subject: Re: Fair-Value/Price Query
Organization: Curtin University of Technology
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 16:32:56 GMT

In article <1dgsomINNavp@castor.hahnemann.edu>, weinhous@castor.hahnemann.edu (Martin S. Weinhous Ph.D.) writes:
> I'm considering selling my old "system" so that I can go out and
> buy a new line of equipment.
> 
...
> 2 Canon	Extension Tubes FD 25  ???
>   Spiratone Extention Tubes (Canon FL mount) 11mm, 18mm, 36mm  ???
>   Canon	Bellows FL
>   Canon	Macro Auto Ring
>   Canon	Slide Duplicator
>   Canon	C-Mount adapter  ???
> 

If you get a EOS, the above will still be usefull with the Macro EOS-FD
Mount converter. You MAY want to keep the 50 Macro as well for a while.

~Paul

Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: sparks@col.hp.com (John Sparks)
Subject: Re: 4x5 dups of 4x5 trans
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:49:20 GMT
Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division

I thought of something else.  If you only want to make 1:1 dupes, you
could use any format enlarger with a color head and make contact dupes
in a contact printing frame under the enlarger.  These will probably
be sharper than those made with a lens anyway and the equipment is
much less expensive.  The main drawback is that you might have problems
with newton rings.

John Sparks

Newsgroups: rec.photo
From: monson@hobo.ECE.ORST.EDU (Ty Monson)
Subject: Re: a question of color
Organization: ECE Dept.,OSU,Corvallis
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 03:42:38 GMT

In article <6894@news.duke.edu> laurap@neuro.duke.edu (Laura Elizabeth Poole) writes:
>I would like to hand-tint my black and white photographs. I need to know
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>what kind of paint (ink, whatever) is best for this, and any generaly hints
>on how to go about doing it! Thanks for the help! (email is fine)
>
>her nose is painted pepper sunlight
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ??

 There are oil paints sold for the purpose. "Marshall's" is the brand 
 I know of. Sold at better art supply and photography stores.
 There are starter kits available with a combination of colors, cotton
 for application, solvent, etc. - the "etc." includes instructions.
 Beyond that, it's your skill and innovation.
 People occasionally recoil at the cost. Of course you can experiment
 with anything for the sake of art. Watercolors, food coloring,
 regular paints (generally too opaque) and colored pencils are but
 a few things to try.

 When you get into coloring your prints, we would welcome a follow-up 
 post telling us about your experiences.