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From: tp0001@medtronic.COM (Terry Pinotti)
Subject: Re: Space Rangers
Organization: Medtronic, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 22:06:51 GMT

Palit, Suman (mece25r@rosie.uh.edu) wrote:

: I guess all the hype about DS9 really did it in. Hope they cut out 
: all that metaphysical mumbo-jumbo in the following episodes.


: Suman Palit

What about us that like that metaphysical mumbo-jumbo. What about
expanding you mind beyond the shootem ups. Science fiction is great at
both and I would hope that the commerical stuff would not snuff out
the stuff I like. I enjoy thinking about a species that is do
different from us that they can't even understand our existence. Kind
of like us and dolphins.

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From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Matt McIrvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: DS9:I liked it, dammit.
Date: 10 Jan 93 21:45:22 GMT

ternent@oima2.oim.uiuc.edu (John Ternent) writes:

>Me too! I guess since I am neither a physics student nor a chemist, any 
>inaccuracies don't really bother me!

I come from the opposite direction-- I find the physics on Star Trek and
in most TV and movie SF so unbelievable that it doesn't bother me any more
unless it looks like the writers are trying for some kind of accuracy.
When they bring up a new bogus particle or chemical element on Trek, I
just laugh and keep watching, since I stopped expecting them to say
anything plausible long ago.  It takes a lot to bother me-- like the
classic measuring-frequency-in-centimeters gaffe or the exploding men
in Outland.  Sound effects in space battles don't do it any more.

>I think a lot of people have forgotten 
>the original premise of reading any kind of fiction... a "willing suspension 
>of disbelief."  Accept what they say is "real" in their world as being real 
>and stop comparing it to what you think is "real" in this world, or you'll 
>never enjoy the show!

There's an element of context to take into account.  Criticizing
scientific inaccuracy in something like _Star Wars_ is pointless, since
it's obvious that the story is really a mythical adventure fantasy 
dressed up in outer-space trappings.  At the other extreme, it's quite
reasonable to get worked up over technical idiocy in something like
_WarGames_, a movie which seemed to convince many members of its
audience that its ridiculous storyline was a plausible contemporary 
possibility, and caused a certain amount of public concern as a result.
 
*Internal* inconsistency is more worrisome.  That's, IMHO, a problem with
the endless perpetuation of the Star Trek universe.  There's *so much*
old baggage to deal with, much of it preposterous, that all you can do
is act like most of it never happened.  (They've never, to my knowledge,
mentioned the pink energy barrier at the edge of the galaxy, or the
Erich von Daniken explanation for Greek mythology, on ST: TNG!)

We need some fresh stuff, certainly.  IMHO the _Deep Space Nine_ premiere
was a fairly well-done show as modern American science-fiction TV goes.
I would have been happier if something of comparable quality were done
outside the vast, creaking Trek world-- but any such show is going to
be handicapped by a relative lack of brand-name loyalty.  It would be 
nice if _Babylon 5_ were to turn out both good and successful, but I'm
pessimistic.  The last SF/fantasy shows I really liked were _Max 
Headroom_ and the revived _Twilight Zone_, neither of which lasted
very long.
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From: djohanne@comp1.mcs.loral.com (David Johannes)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: _The Flash_
Summary: Trying to find the episodes on tape
Date: 8 Jan 93 06:27:31 GMT
Organization: Loral Command & Control Systems


	Got a question for you all, does anyone know where I can

get/acquire all the episodes to the TV series _The Flash_; which aired

during the 90-91 TV season (I think?).  Any information you can 

provide for me would be helpful.

	E-mail or a post would be fine, thanks


-- Dave ;-)

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From: 01fortec@ac.dal.ca
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Rangers airs in NOVA SCOTIA WED.!
Date: 6 Jan 93 19:11:25 -0400
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


In article <1993Jan5.103425.1@husky1.stmarys.ca>, gen4033@husky1.stmarys.ca writes:
> ********************* A T T E N T I O N *********************************
> 
> Viewers in  Nova Scotia  /  Halifax  /  Dartmouth    (Canada, by the way)
> 
> Last-minute update:
> 
> 	MITV  Cable 6   will be showing
> 
> 	S P A C E    R A N G E R S
> 
> 	   Tomorrow night,  WEDNESDAY  Jan. 6th/93
> 
> 		at   9:00 pm  AST  (8:00 EST)
> 
> 
> 	There have been no promos running for the show,
> 	because the station hasn't received any video
> 	yet... the tapes are being shipped in for air,
> 	not downlinked.  
> 
> Stay Tuned....
> 
> 		Marcus.


Great! This place needs more SF on TV. For those of you from out of the country,
our major national TV broadcaster has decided that it could improve ratings by
dropping its more popular format for one with increased news, weather, and 
sundry space-fillers.

"Rocky Jones"?

Joe
01fortec@ac.dal.ca

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From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: Yes, He Spoke. Re: QL: ANIMATED(Coyote)
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 18:48:52 GMT
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
              not necessarily those of CONVEX.

Indeed he speaks! "Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius. I like the
sound of that: Wile E. Coyote, SUper Genius!" (WHAM!)
From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Rangers !!Spoilers (I guess)!!
Date: 7 Jan 93 10:36:21
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
	<1993Jan7.035335.26532@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
	<1993Jan7.150046.1445@cas.org>
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In-reply-to: sdr57@cas.org's message of Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:00:46 GMT

>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jan 1993 15:00:46 GMT, sdr57@cas.org () said:

>  3) This goes along with the second point.  If this is so many years
>     in the future that we have outposts on distant planets and have
>     contacted and befriended different aliens, our "police" would
>     not have the same semi-automatic or automatic guns we do now.
>     Strapping a flashlight onto the gun doesn't make it a futuristic
>     weapon. 

sdr57> Actually, guns as we now know them seem to be pretty good devices
sdr57> for destruction, war, police actions, and general mayhem - read
sdr57> sf.science the next time a discussion of beam weapons comes up,
sdr57> and you'll find that "chemically propelled matter" weapons are
sdr57> likely to remain the choice for hand-held equipment for a long
sdr57> time to come.

I had thought the reason for the machince guns, were becaues of the
budget cuts on the Ranger Force. They couldn't afford to have anything
more high tech. This is also why the ship was a piece of shit too.
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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Seaquest???
Date: 5 Jan 93 17:41:33 GMT
Organization: none

In article <1993Jan4.214007.9872@ac.dal.ca> 01fortec@ac.dal.ca writes:
>Read of this on a posting about 20 msgs back. Is this "Voyage to the Bottom of
>the Sea" meets GreenPeace?
>
>Joe
>01fortec@ac.dal.ca
>

More like "Man From Atlantis" meets a live action "Sealab 2020".
didn;'t Irwin Allen already try this with a Failed Tv pilot called
"City Beneath The Sea"?

B}B}B}
Pax
					--Judex--
From: eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL: What happened to Ruthie?
Date: 5 Jan 1993 13:30:25 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter) says:

>I don't know how much USA cut from "Thou Shalt Not...", so does anyone know
>exactly what happened to Al's third wife Ruthie?  Al mentions that he "didn't
>realize how important family was until Ruthie was gone." (note not divorced,
>left, seperated, etc.).  Did they divorce or did something else happen?  I've
>heard mention that she died, but I want to know if this is canon.
>
>Keep leaping...
>
It's not cannon, but most fans tend to think that Ruthie died.

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From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: _The Flash_
Date: 8 Jan 93 08:42:00
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280
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In-reply-to: djohanne@comp1.mcs.loral.com's message of 8 Jan 93 06:27:31 GMT

>>>>> On 8 Jan 93 06:27:31 GMT, djohanne@comp1.mcs.loral.com (David Johannes) said:

djohanne> Got a question for you all, does anyone know where I can
djohanne> get/acquire all the episodes to the TV series _The Flash_;
djohanne> which aired during the 90-91 TV season (I think?).  Any
djohanne> information you can provide for me would be helpful.

I don't know if they have hit VHS at all, but I have the 1st 2-hour
(actually the running time is 93 minutes) premire episode on Laser
Disc. Also in Japan, the 2 Trickster episodes are out on 1 LD, so
hopfully they will hit the U.S. soon, since the American pressing of
the 1st episode is much cleaner. The picture and sound are very clean.
It's in Surround too.
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From: kevin@microm.UUCP (Kevin Price)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Space Rangers
Date: 10 Jan 93 02:22:42 GMT
Organization: Micro Maintenance, Inc., Tempe, Az

psudo-science-fiction possible?  The writers of this show obviously
believe that Battlestar Galctica was the definitive sci-fi experience,
because we get all of those old worn out launch sequences and cliched
ripped-directly-out-of-a-western dialogue.  I couldn't believe how
bad this series pilot was!
Now that we have seen a couple different versions of possible future
society, let's compare: Star Trek: Next Generation is to clean and 
orderly.  Nobody wants for anything.  Every need is met.  This is
the high road.
In Space Rangers we get the opisite end of the future-society spectrum.
Kind of a Mad Max gets a Spaceship sceniaro.  This seems a little
depressing to me.  If that collection of freaks is the best of the best,
why bother trying to defend the others?  Isn't it obvious that they
have lost the war on drugs already?
How about that boring docking sequence?  They were so proud of that they
had to sho it to us twice!
And the babe pilot: Knowing her crew as well as she must, would she be 
comfortable flying the ship in such a vulnarable position?
I think not!
What's the deal with residual UV radiation?  What kind of science is that?

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From: finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: QL: What happened to Ruthie?y
Date: 7 Jan 93 03:45:27 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.

heyer@stsci.edu writes:

>In article <1993Jan5.185345.26730@midway.uchicago.edu>, rck1@ellis.uchicago.edu (roberta chi-woon kwong) writes:
>> In article <1ic2hhINNsi9@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> eah4@po.CWRU.Edu (Elizabeth A. Hlabse) writes:
>>>
>>>In a previous article, finifter@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Tracy E. Finifter) says:
[my original question deleted to appease bandwidth gods]

>>>It's not cannon, but most fans tend to think that Ruthie died.

[more stuff deleted]

>Well, maybe I'm off base here, but I thought Al said "Trudie" not "Ruthie"
>when he discussed family. Trudie, his sister, did die in a mental institution
>as mentioned in "Jimmy" (just last night on USA).
>Maybe someone with good ears can recheck the tape.

>                                             CloudShape


He definitely said Ruthie, whom he also mentioned at the beginning of the ep
because she's the one who taught him the Jewish prayers.  Besides, as of "Thou
Shalt Not...", we don't know about Trudy yet.  We learn about her in the next
episode, as you pointed out.


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From: ckunz@src4src.linet.org (Charles Kunz)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Space Rangers - first impressions
Date: 7 Jan 93 05:03:51 GMT
Organization: The Source for Source

After viewing the premiere episode, I was left less than satisfied.  Is
it me, or did it seem like "kiddie-sf" to you, too?  Maybe the future
episodes will improve, til then WPIX is showing the ST:DS9 premiere
tomorrow, Jan 7.

Chuck
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From: RayTrace@cup.portal.com (Ray William Kulberda)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: The Dream Science Fiction Channel
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 15:41:52 PST
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
  <16B50EBB2.GGPERRY@NUACVM.ACNS.NWU.EDU>

My area just got the SCI-FI Channel today!  And it looks good so far.  BUT, i'
been going crazy trying to find a schedule.  THere's nothing in any newspaper
or TV guide or anything!  Does anyone have one you can post?  Or maybe atleast
a list of the shows that they have?
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From: nedwie@rs6109.ecs.rpi.edu (Erik Jason Nedwidek)
Subject: Re: Space Ranger?????
Reply-To: nedwie@rpi.edu
Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:56:56 GMT


	To the fellow who was wondering about who did the SFX for DS9, it was
ILM and they use models not computer animation.  Also in reference to amiga 
animation watch for B5 before you pass judgement.  A picture is only as good as
the artist who painted it....

laterz,
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From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Matt McIrvin)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: SF on TV
Date: 10 Jan 93 22:21:59 GMT

eek2@po.CWRU.Edu (Eric E. Katz) writes:

>  I woudl say that Max Headroom was some of the best SF on TV.  The
>conflicts came from the greed of the people in this corrupt city.
>Max ended up being a gimmick in the whole thing, but the show was
>original.  It dealed with people who seemed real and hadd real 
>conflicts.  Everything was built in well rather than shoved in as 
>what happens with ST. 

I loved the show, but in many people it seemed to arouse not just
indifference but active hatred.  In the dorm I lived in during most of
its brief run, there were people who watched it every week just so
they could wail about how bad it was.  This puzzled me for a while.
 
I remember talking to some people who despised the show and finally
discovering something interesting: though some people found the show's
whole outlook too depressing, what many really hated was the character
of Max himself.  Here in the US, we were somewhat baffled by the
appearance of Max Headroom in Coke ads; the talk show existed on
Cinemax, but most people had never seen it, so Max Headroom to most
people was just this gratuitous concept that made Coke ads more
annoying than they would otherwise have been.  He could have been
jettisoned from the show without losing a great deal-- Matt Frewer
wouldn't even have lost his job, and most of the things that gave the
show such a unique satirical punch could have remained.  Turning
it into "The Edison Carter Show" just might have saved one of the
most entertaining SF shows to come down the pike.  Or maybe not.

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From: L697187@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Babylon 5
Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 93 11:05:51 PST

It's my understanding that Babylon 5 is just a two-hour movie at this
point.  Does anyone know if it will be made into a series?  When is
the movie set to premier?

     \    /\
      \  /__\
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Subject: Re: Highlander: "Mountain Men"
From: bakerjd@hirama.hiram.edu
Date: 6 Jan 93 22:01:14 -0500
Followup-To: rec.arts.sf.tv
Distribution: world
Organization: Hiram College
Nntp-Posting-User: bakerjd

In article <1ifdm6INN89b@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>, holland@geop.ubc.ca (Stephen Holland) writes:
> In article MHGWBTN6@cc.swarthmore.edu, rbrooks1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Robert William Brooks) writes:
>>Saw my first episode of Highlander, "The Mountain Men", a couple of nights
>>ago and wasn't very impressed.  Did I just catch a bad episode or are they   
>>all like this?
> Rob Brooks
>>
> Actually Mountain Men was one of the better episodes that I have seen.  
> Unfortunately this seems to be turning into one of those series that have
> an interesting premise but no-one wants to spend the money on top-notch
> scripts.  My favourite part of the show is watching them try to pass off
> Vancouver as an American city.
> 
I don't know...have you seen some of the better episodes such as Revenge is
Sweet and The Gathering? They don't have much money because they decided to 
go with syndicated networks. I think the show is gaining quite a following...

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From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: DS9 was very BAD
Date: 10 Jan 93 20:13:56 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA


>	Paralleling Gallileo (who actually studied his subject) to 
>	the hack writers who write for ST (who, likely, have never 
>	studied any more science than you get in your typical comic book) 
>	is pretty pathetic.  These people aren't visionaries, they're
>	deluded egomaniacs who can't be bothered with checking their work.
>
>rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)

may i point out that you are being unnecessarily insulting?  "these people"
are TELEVISION WRITERS, and as such, their main goal is to *entertain*,
not adhere to scientific accuracy.  obviously they are succeeding,
since TNG and DS9 are getting high ratings.  calling them "deluded
egomaniacs" is waaaayy out of line, and makes _you_ look rather petulant;
they have to worry about *drama* and *plot* and *characterization* and
*sets* and *lighting* and *which actors are available* and *fitting the
whole she-bang into sixty minutes, carefully timed for commercials* and
*getting the whole thing done by thursday* . . .  i very much doubt that
these points you describe are of any great concern to either the producer,
the director, or the writer in comparison to the points i just listed.
so lay off, yamanari.

sure, i wish they were better science-fiction writers, but apparently
there's not much of a market for that on television :-)

ok
dpm
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From: donnell@tuna.micro.umn.edu (BogusMan)
Subject: Re: ST: SHEEP SHIT CRIME
Organization: none
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 06:36:44 GMT

In article <C0ED0M.3KK@world.std.com> buc@world.std.com (Quantum Buc) writes:
>Sooo, uhhhh, did'ja like it?
>-- 
>        Quantum Buc                  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 

 I liked it, and I usually don't care for "ST:TNG", and didn't have a
whole lot of hope. I don't know, it just worked for me. Very nicely paced
too, which is one of my main problems with "The Next Mutations".
They have got to do something better for aliens than just give them all
funny noses! But on the whole, it looked good. The preview for the first
episode looked like "Star Trek as usual", though.

Pax
					--Judex--
From: sm@g2.ph.man.ac.uk (Steve Mowbray)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv
Subject: Re: Space Rangers
Date: 11 Jan 93 15:21:14 GMT
Reply-To: sm@g2.ph.man.ac.uk
Organization: University of Manchester, UK

In article 24923@openage.openage.com, ghost@openage.openage.com (Glenn Host) writes:
>Personally I have been surprised that this has not been done before -
>a Asian actor playing an alien.

Have you any idea how racist that sounds?

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