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From: gdg023@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Vicky Wayman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Rorest win
Date: 17 Aug 92 08:57:18 GMT
Organization: Coventry Polytechnic, Coventry, UK


Forest beat Liverpool with style, with Sheringham scoring the only goal.
Pearce was back on form causing havoc on the left, with Crosby
proving that we never should have bought Kingsley Black.
Not a bad start. FA Cup this year I think.
Forest 1 Liverpool 0

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From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Spain-Poland discussion(re: Comments by Angel)
Date: 17 Aug 1992 20:18:50 -0500
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Folks I believe that this subject has gone well beyond intelligent 
conversation.

Angel's reference to Hitler was immature, inconsiderate, 
unconscionable, just plain bad.

I do believe he owes the net as a whole an apology.

This is criticism at it's lowest form.

ANGEL YOU HAVE GONE TO FAR.  I have family of German, Italian and Dutch 
decent.  Your lucky I'm not standing in front of you now!

Francis.

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From: Michal Szleper  <netmail!michals%fuw.edu.pl@Lightning.McRCIM.McGill.EDU>
To:  <s947607@umslvma.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Spain-Poland discussion
Date: Monday, August 17, 1992 7:25AM

Here goes Angel Puerta again:
>
>I know that in your mind it is impossible to envision how your Polish Adonis
>could possibly be beaten in an athletic event by Spanish Quasimodos 
without a
>worldwide conspiracy, but believe me, it happens. Jusk ask Hitler.
>
>--
>Angel Puerta
>puerta@camis.stanford.edu

Angel, your postings make me sick (and I'm not the only one, I guess).
Please get lost.

---------------

Michal~ Szleper                        My opinions are my opinions.
(michals@fuw.edu.pl)                   Quite predictable.
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Subject: RE : A simple question
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 16:24:10 +0000







in <Bt8KyA.7q3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Tom Zych asks:

> While watching my tape of the FA Cup final last night, I realized that there
> is one field marking which I do not understand.  Namely, the arc outside of
> the 18 yard box.  Does this line actually have a purpose, or is it a
> "traditional" marking which used to have a purpose but no longer does?  As I
> said, a simple question, but one which will bug me until I find out the
> answer...

This line is a 10 yard marker from the penalty spot and ensures when a penalty
is taken no player can be closer than 10 yards to the ball.

Tom Marsh.
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From: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (Karel Stokkermans)
Subject: Friendly CSFR-Austria, result
Organization: RISC, J.K. University, Linz; Austria
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 08:54:56 GMT

Bratislava, August 19:
CSFR               2-2 Austria                 Att: 5,720
Chovanec 42'           Stoeger 17'
Moravcik 93'           Prosenik 22'

I only got to see the second half, with was a long, boring succession of
substitutions. Austria's 'keeper Wohlfahrt held a penalty from Kubik early
in the second half.
According to the Austrian press, Austria played quite well the first half.
The temperature was around 30 degrees (that's 86 F, if anyone cares).
The commentator was just counting down the time during the second half,
the highlight was him shouting "Mein Gott, das darf nicht wahr sein" when
the CSFR finally equalised. Some players blamed it on the referee, which 
was quite ridiculous (even though it was the infamous Kim Milton Nielsen,
according to Lars and Jesper a Brondby fan). The four minutes overtime
were completely justified by something like 10 substitutions.

Karel
-- 
-- Karel Stokkermans, RISC-Linz, Schloss Hagenberg, Austria, Europa
 -- email: kstokker@risc.uni-linz.ac.at (or k314070@edvz.uni-linz.ac.at)
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 die 'een minuut / voor tijd de Duitse / doellijn kruiste..."     [ J. Deelder ]
From: andy4@garnet.berkeley.edu (Andy Liu)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: CONCACAF Champions' Cup Result: Club America - SF Blackhawks
Date: 17 Aug 92 23:12:06 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu



CONCACAF Champion of Champions Tournament Semifinal

First Leg: Club America - Blackhawks 3-1 
Second Leg: Club America - Blackhawks 1-2  
	     Sanchez 27'    Leonetti 5'
			    Martin 39'
(Club America advance on 4-3 aggregate)

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BLACKHAWKS' 2-1 WIN ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH
(from the SF Chronicle 8/17)

The San Francisco Bay Blackhawks won the game but lost the series yesterday
when they defeated Club America of Mexico, 2-1, in front of 25,400 (!!)
rowdy fans at Spartan Stadium in San Jose.

Having lost to Club America in the first game of the Champion of Champions
Tournament semifinal last Sunday, 3-1, in Mexico City, the 1991 American
Professional Soccer League Champion Blackhawks had to win by two goals to
force a playoff.

With defender Mark Semioli holding international star Hugo Sanchez to a
penalty goal and the defense requiring goalie Mark Dougherty to make no saves,
the Blackhawks put up a tough fight.

The crowd and the teams thought the two-goal margin had occurred 17 minutes
into the second half when Blackhawks forward Townsend Qin scored on a header
on an assist from forward Joey Leonotti. But the celebration was cut short
when referee Jose Ortiz nullified the goal after linesman Tim Weyland had 
signalled Joe Leonetti offside.

The game began with the Blackhawks putting up two strong threats in the first
three minutes, then scoring at 5:17 when Lawrence Lozzano beat defenders down
the sideline, then passed to Leonetti, who scored on a header.

Club America tied the score 20 minutes later on a hotly disputed penalty shot
that was taken after Dougherty appeared to reach for a loose ball and tripped
Luis Alves. Sanchez nailed the penalty shot.

The Blackhawks regained the lead in the 39th minute on a 30-yard shot by Tim
Martin on a feed from Dominic Kinnear.

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Although the Blackhawks lost, it sounds like they did pretty well. Currently
they are in 2nd place in the APSL pretty far behind Tampa Bay (or is it
Ft. Lauderdale?). The Colorado Foxes are in the hunt for 2nd, with a couple
of games in hand.

Cheers!

Andy Liu						Go Spurs!
andy@spiff.berkeley.edu
From: t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Sampdoria vs. Leeds (Makita challenge)
Date: 20 Aug 1992 10:42:36 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

I saw my first *full* game utilizing the new backpass rule.  If any of 
you saw this game could you please let me know if you saw what I did.

1.  There appeared to be quite a bit more action near the penalty area.

2.  Keepers carrying the ball further out of the box than usual 
(especially the Leeds keeper).

3. Attackers were more aggressive.

and something that I hadn't anticipated

4.  Keepers did not seem to be as aggressive on loose balls in the 
penalty area.


I felt that the keepers appeared *hesitant* to acting on loose balls 
(on the ground, and more notably in the air).

Also,  is this Batty (?spell) guy some kind of sadist or something.  I 
can appreciate energy and enthusiasm, but he sure seemed to throw 
unhealthy helpings of pain in the process.  He sure un-nerved Manccini 
(?spell).  I was expecting them to bring in the gloves at one point. :-)

Francis.
From: rorschak@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Lauridsen)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: NBC....blah!
Date: 12 Aug 92 19:50:26 GMT
Organization: Federation Internationale de Football Association

t-frans@microsoft.com (Francis Stanisci) writes:

>Though the goals were not the most spectacular,

If the second Polish goal wasn't spectacular, then I'm
afraid the you'll only see a handful of spectacular goals
each decade.
-- 
Jesper Lauridsen      | Bramming Boldklub - eh ...
rorschak@daimi.aau.dk |
      Glasgow Rangers - AC Milan - FC Barcelona
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From: james@brock.b17b.ingr.com (James Brock)
Subject: blackburn address
Followup-To: rec.sport.soccer
Keywords: help
Reply-To: James A. Brock, Jr.
Organization: Gesellschaft Praxis
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 00:38:32 GMT

Please E-mail me the address for Blackburn Rovers.

Thanks
From: scottj@spider.co.uk (Scott Jackson)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Small point
Date: 18 Aug 92 07:55:51 GMT
Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

See what we told you, Celtic won a game so Gerry's back. Make a setence out
of the following words:

"weather", "supporter", "fair", "A"

Now to his ramblings...

In article <24917@castle.ed.ac.uk> eftv20@castle.ed.ac.uk (G C Stewart) writes:
>
>   Though Sandy "Sandy" McKinnon and Scott "Scotty Wacko Jacko" Jackson 
>have ridiculed my Premier forecasts for this season, I can now be rest
>assured that Celtic's strengths do lie in defence on the grounds that
>they now have the best defensive record in the Premier League.

Ahemm, the league is four games old and this must be tongue in cheek. At the
moment Celtic have the Indian sign over Dundee United so it was no surprise
that they beat them easily as they don't travel well to Glasgow.

>   The 'Tic's performance on Saturday was most encouraging considering
>how well Dundee United have started the season.  There is a lot of self
>assuredness about Celtic's performance without resorting to complacency,
>that is with the exception of Gary Gillespie's waltz out of defence on
>Saturday through the United attack. If it weren't for injury problems in
>defence, this weekend's Old Firm encounter couldn't come quick enough.

Who's making excuses *before* the game.

>   Well done to Dundee for proving what many already knew - that Rangers
>do not have a good defence.

One swallow does not a summer make likewise claiming that Celtic have the
best defence in the league. To judge over one game is shortsighted but when
you wear blinkers Gerry I suppose it's excusable.

>   Allez Les Vertes!

Is this the name of the next well known Albanian player that Brady's going to
sign. It's rumoured that when the guy turned up at the piggery Brady (being a
bit on the thick side) thought he had got the wrong player as he didn't have
white hair and pink eyes. Unfortunately, as the guy can see in daylight he
can witness the shocking state of the piggery. However, the depravation won't
be all that different from Albania.

PS. There was only 7000 at Hampden last week to watch Celtic in the Skol Cup.

--
Scott Jackson
Spider Systems Limited                 NO-ONE WANTED PAUL McSTAY!!
Edinburry
Sco'lind
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From: marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch)
Subject: Re: Spain-Poland discussion
Organization: trunking_fixed
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 15:09:32 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.015200.120@morrow.stanford.edu> puerta@camis.stanford.edu writes:
>In article <1992Aug14.173420.10164@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>  
>marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch) writes:

>
>And 5'6" guys "cannot keep up"?. Tell me, when was the last time that a tall  
>and strong 6'5" guy (from Poland or anywhere) won a 10,000 meter race, a  
>marathon, or even a 1500 meter race for that matter. You know, those guys from  
>Kenya and Ethiopia sure look puny next to your big Polish Hercules, but when it  
>comes to endurance they sure are a lot stronger than your Hercules.

Now I finally see your problem, you were watching the marathon and you saw a 
5ft 6in gun win, but you're saying the 6ft 5in guy did not win and who was from
Poland. That explains all your confusion.
>
>And in football? Name all the tall, strong players in the history of the game  
>who are better than these two weak dwarfs: Pele and Maradona. 

For you infromation both of these players were so great because of their stocky
build and strength. Again you're misinterpreting everthing, it's nice to have
a tall ref. because - you know like he can like see the action you know. As 
for size in the game of football there is room for all sizes, as long I
repeat as long the player is physically strong and does not bounce off like
a pin-pong ball. Pele and Maradona were short (although Pele was 5ft 10in tall)
but extemelly strong to push of the ball. As far as Spain is concerned
may you be ellated that they won, and may the whole of Spain be ellated that
Spain won, and may the whole of the world be ellated that Spain won, and
may ...... I don't know maybe the whole Universe
>
>I know that in your mind it is impossible to envision how your Polish Adonis  
>could possibly be beaten in an athletic event by Spanish Quasimodos without a  
>worldwide conspiracy, but believe me, it happens. Jusk ask Hitler.
>                                               

It's not really that hard because they actually did beat them. Hitler got
beat too, but I don't recall any Columbian referee doing it.
>--
>Angel Puerta
>puerta@camis.stanford.edu                                    

Cheers, my dear friend Angel, hey by the way are you from Spain?

Regards,

mario s.
From: beksic@qtp.ufl.edu (Dario Beksic)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: Poland/Spain final comments
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:41:54 GMT

In article <1992Aug9.040300.20437@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> marios@ecs.comm.mot.com (mario smarduch) writes:

 >c) The referee was Columbian and was pro Spanish calling any
 >little body contact a foul. Furthermore the referee spoke the
 >same language.
 >
 >I think FIFA has to do a better job when picking referees for 
 >such big games. Poland is a more phisical team then Spain,
 >the referee preferred a finesse game as a result Poland lost
 >out on countless fouls called against them. Also the Spanish
 >players exploited the situation by taking dives or just simply
 >falling down for any contact. I think FIFA has to better protect
 >the interests of the poorer countries like Eastern Europe,
 >African, and other under privliged countries.
 >
 > Mario S.
 >

	With due respect, I very much disagree with this part of the
comment on the Olympic final, btw. it was a great game indeed,
regardless of the final outcome.

	I believe we should but wish that ALL the referees prefer
the finesse game, as Mario puts it. That is, after all what brings
the true fans to the stadiums and makes us all love the game. Watching
the old films about the '58 Brasilian team, or their '70 team, or
the '56-'60 Real Madrid, and so on, still remains absolutely fascinating
as those teams were able to triumph with skills, style and beauty.
Unfortunately, then came Helenio Herrera and his likes to kill the
artistry and turn the beautiful game into a war simulation. Those who
like the "physical play" so much are very welcome to enjoy the American
football where violence comes in abundance; even there it's fun to
watch a skillful team dominate, the 49-ers with Montana for example.

	Also, I fail to see the correlation between the poverty of a
country and its teams' palying style. By no means should the "under-
privilegedness" be an excuse for thuggish and ugly play; luckily, there
are nice counterexamples like the '90 Colombian team - again, refer to
Garcia Marquez for the greatest comment I've ever seen on a football
game, this time their game against Germany.

	Hoping for the survival of the game at its prettiest, and for
the revival of Brasil on the next WC; respectfully,
							Dario
From: 160955r@garnet.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: *** MARADONA (present & future) ***
Date: 20 Aug 1992 07:27:59 GMT
Organization: University of California, Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu

Ruben makes the point that given Maradona's unwillingness to play
in Italy, Napoli should somehow find a way and let him go. Howe-
ver, Diego is under contract with Napoli (attention: this sentence
will be labeled "Maradona bashing")  and it is not obvious why
Napoli should accept rescinding the contract or allow him to buy
himself out.
Napoli can play tough: let Diego sit out the remaining year and
request the US$6m he owes them be paid at the end of the year.
Paying the dual penalty of one year out and $6m evidently entitles
Diego to stay in Argentina and play 5 on 5 soccer.
The same way, having already paid Maradona for 1992-1993  entitles 
Napoli to do whatever they want with his contarct, including NOT
selling it for any amount of money.
I can not understand why it is OK for Diego to sit out and play
mini-soccer and not OK for Napoli to cling to his contract.

 

-- 
Radu T. Tomescu at UCBerkeley
Department of Economics
From: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Subject: Irish football results 19/8/92
Reply-To: spain@galvia.enet.dec.com ()
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 11:54:22 GMT

--
    
    European Cup
    
    Shelbourne 0 Tavria Simferpool (Ukraine) 0
    
    Shels dominated the game but failed to make it count.  They face a
    difficult assignment in 2 weeks time.
    
    League Cup
    
    Galway 1 Castlebar Celtic 1
    Finn Harps 0 Fanad 1
    
    Good night for the non league sides.  While Fanad's win in Ballbofey
    was hardly a surprise Castlebar bounced back from a 5-0 drubbing at
    Longford to snatch a point at Terryland.  I went to the Galway game
    last night.  Castlebar were worth their draw.  Galway scored in the 1st
    minute,  Nobody saw it.  Castlebar had many chances before finally
    equalising with 20 minutes left from a Ruane penalty.  I didn't see
    why it was given.  Galway had the misfortune of having anothe rSligo
    referee officiate.  This guy was as bad as Noel Foley was last Sunday.
    He booked a few players from both sides for dissent and sent off John
    Brennan of Galway in the last minute for dissent.  Career thretening
    tackles were punished by a free kick ......sometimes.
    
   

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          U.S.A. here we come

          God thinks he's Jackie Charlton

       Gary Spain, DEC, Galway, Ireland   - spain@galvia.enet.dec.com

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From: james@hisoft.com (James C. Armstrong)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: reply to Carlos (long, 1.5 pages)
Date: 19 Aug 1992 09:52:34 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu

"Diego Armando Maradona" (better known as Fuad) pecks:
-> Argentina was in the FIRST final of the FIRST WORLD CUP ever when they
-> lost to Urguay in 1932.  Adding that to 1978, 1982, 1986 and 1990 will give
-> a result of 5 times (Assuming you know how to add).

A simple question:  In 1982, when Argentina were in the finals, were
they wearing the German uniforms or the Italian uniforms?  How did
they manage to steal them, and prevent the rightful team from competing?

->      ***-->The sky is blue with white; so GOD is a fan of ARGENTINA**<--

Rather unlikely.  You see, the sky was blue and white for many many
years before 1810.

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From: oldham@jach.hawaii.edu
Subject: Geoff Thomas
Reply-To: oldham@jach.hawaii.edu
Organization: UK/Canada/Netherlands Joint Astronomy Centre, Hilo, HI
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 09:25:02 GMT

Thank god the move to Rovers is (at least temporarily) off!
I'd rather see 3 big ones go to Maidstone.

Relieved Blackburn fan.
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
From: Steve Rohall <slr@thumper.bellcore.com>
Subject: Re: Arc outside penalty box
Organization: Bellcore
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 21:14:55 GMT

Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.soccer: 19-Aug-92 Arc outside penalty
box Kelvin Cheu@neptune.its. (1360)

> |> Tom,- The arc is to ensure that everyone is the same distance from the ball 
> |> when a penalty is taken. Thus, some players won't have an unfair
> advantage when
> |> trying to get a rebound, if there is indeed one.
> |> 
> |> CP Cheah

That doesn't make sense to me.

The arc is 10 yards away from the penalty spot.  It is there to help the
referee identify encroachment during the taking of a penalty kick.  As
with all free kicks, defenders must be at least 10 yards from the spot
of the ball; a penalty kick is no exception.

			-Steve.
From: hofmeist@zorro.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Thomas Hofmeister)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Some results from German cup, 1st round
Date: 19 Aug 1992 09:41:30 GMT
Organization: CS Department, University of Dortmund, Germany
NNTP-Posting-Host: zorro
Originator: hofmeist@zorro

First results from German cup round 1:

Nordhausen       0-8 1.FC Koeln
St. Brandenburg  0-2 1.FC Kais'lautern
OT Bremen        1-7 1.FC Nuernberg
Gundelfingen     0-1 Uerdingen
1860 Muenchen    1-2 D. Dresden
Leverkusen Am.   2-2 Hamburger SV    ,    7:8 in penalties
From: cla04@seq1.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.soccer
Subject: Re: WC negative press in chicago
Date: 16 Aug 92 14:29:42 GMT
Organization: University of Keele, England

From article <1992Aug16.115350.12793@fuw.edu.pl>, by michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper):
> BTW, I've always thought it was not the best idea to hold
> the 1994 World Cup in the US (even if most Americans disagree
> with Mr. Rosenbloom's opinions, in which I profoundly believe).
> I think FIFA cares too much about money and too little about
> soccer.

Enlightened views from the states! The analysis of FIFA is succinct and
right. You could subtract the first 2 letters and apply the analysis to
another organisation as well. I've always thought that football could take off in America, but
an American I met in Oxford told me there were too many powerful vested
interests in the American code to allow that to happen. Is that true? It
certainly led to the downfall of RL football in Cardiff, to compare
great to small.
BTW Wouldn't having the World cup finals as a straight knock-out avoid a
lot of the "tactical" play that have plagued the last two finals

Andy

A parthian shot. Let no-one be fooled by the Seasiders' less than spectacular start
to the season, we shall go up again, and with more style.
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From: c9106863@wombat.newcastle.edu.au (LORD MICK HAS SUMMONED YOU...)
Subject: Re: Australia - Poland Semifinal Result
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 00:06:09 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.115722.4095@fuw.edu.pl>, michals@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Szleper) writes:
> Mario Smarduch writes (replying to my posting):
>>
>>The fact that Australia lost to Poland 6-1 does not mean that Australia is
>>a 6 times worser team. They pushed the ball forward trying to get even and
>>got caught by Poland on counter attacks. Samething might of happen in the
>>Poland / Spanish game if Poland managed to score one of the few counters
>>early in the second half. You can't judge teams by the score only, I think
>>Australia deserves more respect.
> 
> I never said Australia was a 6 times worser team and I never
> said anything against Australia. Indeed, I liked their
> performance at Barcelona 92. But I cannot accept some
> statements by our Australian friend, that only Australia played
> creative soccer, while Poles just played a "cat and mouse chess game";
> that the whole game would have died if it wasn't for the Australians,
> or something of the kind.
> 
> I apologize if I've been too sharp.
> 
> ---------------
> 
> Michal~ Szleper                        My opinions are my opinions.
> (michals@fuw.edu.pl)                   Quite predictable.
> 
> 
From what I remember the game was full of niggly tackles and smothering
tatics by one side only-Poland

Mick

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