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From: borella@toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Is progressive late 20th century classical?
Date: 21 Nov 92 07:27:35 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of California, Davis

In article <CHYDE.92Nov18130911@pecos.ads.com> chyde@pecos.ads.com (Clinton Hyde) writes:
>
>due to an error on my part, I attended a handful of 'classical'
>concerts a few years ago, which mostly featured fairly modern
>'classical' music (there were some good pieces too, like Mozart's
>Requiem, so it wasn't a total waste). 
>this stuff is just not going to stand the test of time.

A music teacher I had a few years ago mentioned that the world is in
serious need of a good composer.  There hasn't been a new one turn up
in many years (i.e: there are composers out there, but no one has done
anything revolutionary recently)

>it's hard to say what good is, so we shouldn't really lose any of this
>work, but one should not be forced to imbibe any of it unwillingly.

This is true.  There is all sorts on obscure music and literature that
I spent a considerable amount of time tracking down.  After a few
years of doing this I'm getting an idea of what's out there and what
to look for, but I wish it wasn't so time consuming.

>prog probably continues the traditional classical form, with more
>modern instrumentation, but it won't likely be considered 'classical'
>for a few centuries at least...

I've read about "progressive" forms of music being composed in the 40s
and 50s that is extremely obscure.  I got the idea that these kinds of
music are somewhat electronic, but way head of their time.  Anybody
know what I'm talking about?

-Mike
From: mmt@atlantis.ksu.ksu.edu (Jason Derek Olson)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Brian Wilson
Date: 20 Nov 1992 21:32:14 -0600
Organization: Kansas State University
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.ksu.ksu.edu
Keywords: wilson/beatles


From what i've heard, wilson got bogged down in writing for the smile album( too
much LSD??) and pretty much gave up on it. Then he hears Sgt. Pepper and is
"blown away" and realizes "the masterpiece" had been written. I've read that
wilson was so impressed/drugged up  by sgt. pepper that he "sat in the corner
with his headphones listening to sgt. pepper over and over and .... for around
two weeks!!!" .  Wilson was a great writer but was no mccartney or lennon or syd
barrett for that matter, but that's another subject.
From: martino@buckaroo.WPI.EDU (Robert Paul Martino Jr)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells II
Date: 16 Nov 92 23:50:02 GMT
Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute
NNTP-Posting-Host: buckaroo.wpi.edu

Whilst in London I could not read this newsgroup, and during that
time TBII came out (in England first I believe).  They made a really
big deal about it there, and it was the #1 album for a little while.
There were actually TV commercials for it.

I wasn't planning on getting it because (don't hate me) I didn't
really like the original Tubular Bells much at all.  But while
browsing through HMV they played some of it and while it reminded
me of the original TB, it was much better.  So I bought it once
in the States, and I think it is an incredible album, especially
the first half up until the Bell.  The complexity and variation of
style really impress me.

What were peoples reactions here?  Does everyone agree it is better
than the original TB?  If this subject was beaten to death while
I was gone then someone can politely email me and let me know...  :^)

Rob

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From: ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (  179  Peter Thelen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ** Anyone know anything about Windchase?
Date: 15 Nov 92 19:04:35 GMT
Reply-To: ptt00@DUTS.ccc.amdahl.com
Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA

In article <92318.144513DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu> DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu (David Anthony Barro) writes:
>I heard mention one time of a group called Windchase.  The name
>intrigued me.  I only know of one album to exist, titled "1 Symphinity"
>This intrigued me even more.  I looked in Wayside and in ranjit's mail-
>order "catalog", and never found anything even close to it.

You won't, at least not yet. This puppy's been out of print since about
1980 (it came out in 77). Gut feeling has it this should be showing up
on a Japanese import reissue CD within the next year or so, but I wouldn't
hold my breath.

>Does anyone have any more info on it??  Please e-mail me.

This band featured two guys from Sebastian Hardie, a moderately well known
Australian heavily-Yes-influenced band of the mid to late 70's, plus a
couple new faces (incidentally, to confuse matters even more,the title of
the second SH album was "Windchase"). There's very little similarity
between the two bands, though...Windchase (the band) is clearly fusion
oriented, with some vague resemblances to santana and others. TMK they
only had the one album "Symphinity"... It's not bad, but a little over-
rated I think, the playing is good, but it just doesn't happen in the
originality department. I'll still pick up a CD copy when it comes out,
but it's not at the top of my list.

peter (ptt00@duts.ccc.amdahl.com)  "The Lighthouse Keeper"
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From: Brian.K.Sward@dartmouth.edu (Brian K. Sward)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: New Pink Floyd box set promo: Shine On
Date: 20 Nov 92 00:52:49 GMT
 <jjonsson.259@alexandria.lib.utah.edu>
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
X-Posted-From: InterNews1.0b1@newshost.dartmouth.edu


For those who are interested, there will be a special edition of
ROCKLINE on Tuesday, 11/24 at 11:30 EST to promote the new boxed set. 
The only stations I happen to know that carry ROCKLINE are WFRD (99.3FM
 Hanover, NH) and WXRK (K-Rock 92.3FM New York).  Other than that, just
spin around the dial and you should be able to find it.  Most major
cities have a station that carries Rockline.

Brian

brian.sward@dartmouth.edu
From: gjjansen@idca.tds.PHILIPS.nl (gerard jansen)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Gong, again
Date: 23 Nov 92 11:36:27 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Enterprise bv, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands

malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) writes:

>took over the group.  I have heard a live tape of Gong supposedly with
>Bruford in Lemans France in 11/74 but the quality of the tape is such that
>you really can't tell if it's Bruford or not.  I am going under the 
>
You seem to know a lot about Gong. Could you please tell something more on their
live performances. I remember having on tape one live act of Gong which I never
managed to find on any of the standard live albums I have seen. What is this 
recording you mention like? Has it ever been in the shops? Or can you give a
reference to an LP this might be on? 
What I remember from the recording is that it typically sounded like Gong from
the beginning (Camembert Electrique and such) and that there was a weard break
in it where their "generator passed out"???

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 21:19:50 EST
From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: ELP: The Atlantic Years

In article <Uf30lrK00awD4g3Y8=@andrew.cmu.edu>, Euti Kingsang Perry
<ep2m+@andrew.cmu.edu> says:
>
>Can anybody recommend this double-tape set?  I was gonna get The Best of
>ELP earlier, but then they just came out with this new set.  The only
>ELP songs that I've ever heard are Lucky Man, In the Beginning,
>Still...You Turn Me On, and that one song that says "Welcome back my
>friends to the show that never ends" (I don't know what the name of the
>song is).  Also, I'm curious about Works Volume One, which I think is
>another double-tape set.  Can anybody recommend this, too?

If you are new to ELP, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND _The Atlantic Years_... It is a good
sampler of all their stuff (and the stuff you mentioned is on it, btw: the
"Welcome back my friends..." quote is from "Karn Evil 9", their 30min post-
apocalyptic epic) and is great for the ELP newbie... Worked for me!

Works Vol. I is a 4 sided efford in which each member of ELP gets his own side
to do solo stuff (Emerson has a piano concerto, Lake has his typical acoustic
ballads, although none of them are as good as "Lucky Man", "In the Beginning"
and "Still... You turn me on", although "C'est La Vie" is probably the best of
his solo stuff on the side...  Palmer's side is probably my favourite, with a
heavy jazz influence) and the album concludes with a side of ELP together,
performing "Fanfare for the Common Man" (edited on the Atlantic Years), and
"Pirates", a 13 minute tour de force that is in it's entirety on The Atlantic
Years...

I would recommend that you begin with _The Atlantic Years_, and build your
collection from what you like on it...

Slainte mhath,

Mike
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From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Eddie Jobson's 'ZINE'
Date: 17 Nov 92 12:44:59 GMT
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex
In-reply-to: shiv@bnr.ca's message of 16 Nov 92 18:34:35 GMT

In article <1992Nov16.183435.18519@bmerh85.bnr.ca> shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:

   In article <morteng.721914599@fenris.dhhalden.no>, morteng@dhhalden.no (Morten Graesby) writes:
   |> 
   |> I bought an Eddie Jobson LP at a second-hand store the other day.
   |> The title is 'ZINE' and it was released in '84. 
   |> Some great keyboards and violin mixed in a kind of late YES-related 
   |> prog. I enjoy the album a lot, but I have one Q that I hope you can help
   |> me with. Does anyone out there know the musicians featuring on this album?
   |> There's no info on the sleeve..:(
   |> Thanks in advance..I hope.

   Its a solo album - Eddie plays all instruments.


I assume you are talking about "Theme of Secrets", since that's the
only Jobson album I know of where he plays all instruments...


--
Ronald L. Chrisley  ronc@cogs.susx.ac.uk
COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
From: DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu (David Anthony Barro)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: *** Suggestions for Genesis & A. Phillips
Date: 21 Nov 92 22:33:51 GMT
Organization: Penn State University

Greetings once again.

     I was just wondering.  I like Genesis' old material (everything
I've heard up until 'round '75; MOST until 'round '78) but I certainly
haven't heard everything.  I STILL haven't heard Nursery Cryme, and I
haven't heard Selling England...  Now, I *REALLY* like The Lamb...,
especially Banks' solo keyboard stuff.  Can more of these solos be
found on these other two albums??  Are these other two worth buying???
(I'm expecting to hear 'yes')

     Part II:  I have my eyes on some Anthony Phillips solo projects.
The one is called 'Ivory Moon'.  It looks somewhat interesting.  The
other one is a bit more appealing to me.  I believe the full title of
this one is 'Private Parts & Pieces II: Back to the Pavilion'  If I'm
wrong on the title, don't hang me.  My question is, are these record-
ings really 'progressive' at all or are they just neat looking??  I'm
trying to ascertain whether or not I should buy them.

                                    Thanks,
                                     Dave (dab112@psuvm.psu.edu)

P.S.  E-mail me as usual :-)
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Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive,rec.music.misc
From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes)
Subject: Richard Sinclair US tour(s)? 
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 20:30:54 GMT


I haven't had a chance to confirm yet with Rick Chafen, who I assume set
this up, so I don't know if there's other dates for this solo tour or
what the details are for the larger tour planned next year. 

Michael Bloom told me: 
> Richard Sinclair is coming next month to do a solo acoustic tour, to kinda
> test the waters for a proposed Caravan of Dreams tour next year! The date
> in Boston is Tuesday, December 15. 

Yahooo. I still have heard what happened to the postponed Ayers tour yet, 
and these "gong-network" shows are held together by loose threads and 
don't always happen as planned. Hold your breath! Cross your fingers. 
                        
I suspect there's other December dates for Sinclair, but maybe not in
lots of places as this is described as a feeler for a larger tour. 

  - malcolm   
 
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: dpg4m@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Paul Gervais)
Subject: Re: Whole slew of new prawgressive releases
Followup-To: stuff
Summary: Michael Brook...
Organization: University of Virginia
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 23:31:59 GMT

Michael Brook's new CD, _Cobalt Blue_, is interesting. The Eno
brothers, Roger and Brian, play on several tracks on the 
all-instrumental album.

It is ambient, and I like it, but not in the same way I usually
like CDs; this is something I find myself listening to a lot
but never really getting psyched about listening to it.

It's basically 40 min., of ambience a la Eno, with some very
interesting infinite and shimmer guitar work, and innovative,
almost ethnic-sounding percussion. Shona Bridge, Slow Breakdown,
and Ultramarine are the best- IMHO.


Yours,     

Dave Gervais.  University of Virginia.
dpg4m@virginia.edu
From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Genesis
Date: 16 Nov 92 10:25:50 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

In article <1992Nov13.231533.9658@bmerh85.bnr.ca> reaume@bmerh962.bnr.ca (Andy Reaume) writes:
>IMHO, the Genesis mutation occurred with the release of _And Then There
>Were Three_ in 1977. 

And Hackett's first solo album was an absolute stunner eh?



-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk
From: chrisley@oxford.ac.uk (Ronald L Chrisley)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Various:  Crimson, Gabriel, Asia
Date: 18 Nov 92 13:23:30 GMT
Organization: School of Cognitive & Computing Sciences, Univ. of Sussex


If anyone would like the CD single by Opus III: "I Talk to the wind",
with two covers of the classic Crimson tune, I can get you one for $10
including air mail.

Also, if anyone "needs" the Asia CD single "who'll Stop the Rain?"
with 2 nonalbum tracks, I can get it to you for $12.

But my question is: what is the extra track on the Japanese version of
Gabriel's "US"?


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COGS, University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton, BN1 9QH, UK
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: jonsson@well.sf.ca.us (Darrell Jonsson)
Subject: Re: Is progressive late 20th century classical?
Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 03:34:48 GMT





RE> 3705

> I've read about "progressive" forms of music being composed in the 40s
> and 50s that is extremely obscure.  I got the idea that these kinds of
> music are somewhat electronic, but way head of their time.  Anybody
> know what I'm talking about?

Luciano Berio, John Cage, Harry Partch, The French Electro-acoustic
School (music concret), is this who you had in mind?

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: dpg4m@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Paul Gervais)
Subject: Re: progressive?
Followup-To: all kinds of stuff...
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: world 
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 01:34:56 GMT

Progressive music moves me.....  Music that moves me is good.
So I look for good music, which necessarily moves me.
That is my definition- there are really good musics out there that    
aren't the Cure and that aren't King Crimson.... But that is my 
opinion, of course. I hope some other people think this way, though.

Listen first, judge second.


Dave Gervais
dpg4m@virginia.edu     If you must flame, flame directly.
From: borella@cs.UCDavis.EDU (Mike Borella)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Banco!!
Date: 18 Nov 92 11:39:46 GMT
Reply-To: borella@cs.UCDavis.EDU (Mike Borella)
Organization: UC Davis, EECS Division of Computer Science

In article <wf0bHiS00iUyI1pHA1@andrew.cmu.edu>, dt1z+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Daniel E. Tyson) writes:
> Does anyone know if the new Banco CD is out yet? I'm also looking for
> 'As in a Last Supper' the English version. In fact I'd like any info on
> Italian progressive music of the seventies!
> Thanks
> Dan
> dt1z

New?  Really?  I know they got back together to remaster
the first two but I wasn't sure about any new recordings.
I won't get my hopes up since all the reunions so far have
been so bad - possible excpetions are Caravan of Dreams 
and Brand X - but its interesting...

As for 70's Italian, I have a slew of info sitting around
...write me if you're interested.

-Mike
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner)
Subject: Re: Prog Christmassongs (Was: Re: ELP's Father Christmas)
Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:55:26 GMT

Don't forget Anthony Phillips' Cathedral of Ice and other
polar-oriented songs!

Scott

Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: Composer credits
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 22:23:11 GMT

In article <1992Nov17.103908.10185@vax.oxford.ac.uk> bain1@vax.oxford.ac.uk  
writes:
> 
> An interesting snippet I picked up recently may help to shed some light on
> this. A few months before 'Poseidon' was due to be released, a band called
> Love Sculpture (Dave Edmunds, Mike Finesilver, Peter Ker) released a Rock
> version of Mars the Bringer of War. The record was released in the states,
> but the Holst estate blocked the release of the record in Europe. It is
> possible that Fripp heard about this problem and renamed/recredited the piece
> in order to 'sneak it out' without the holst estate noticing.

I've often wondered how people can pull things like this off. A nice (no pun  
intended) example is Emerson's version of Brubeck's "Blue Rondo a la Turk",  
which aside for the improvs is a straight reading. Perhaps they were both  
quoting from an existing classical piece that I'm aware of? ELP and the Nice  
were always a little sloppy about citing quotes (listing all of them would make  
for a fun rainy day activity), but "Rondo" was such a direct one, and of a  
contemporary artist's work no less. 

Interesting in Fripp's case since he was pretty upset about Crimson's music  
being used as a backdrop for an "Emanuelle" movie, and he seems to have a keen  
interest in ethics and motives.


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From: brg6080@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Rasputin)
Subject: King Crimson's EARTHBOUND
Summary: Looking for live K.C. album
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 23:54:42 GMT

Does anyone know where to get a copy of the
album 'Earthbound' by King Crimson?

It's live and has the 'Islands' lineup (ca. 1972).
The sound quality is REAL BAD (that's why it wasn't
reissued with the other early Crimson albums)
but it has some songs that aren't on any of the other
albums (like 'Peoria').


--Branko Radosavljevic
From: worthm@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mike Worth)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Genesis
Date: 20 Nov 92 15:51:13 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

In regards to Genesis' transition from art rock to more commercial (basically
starting with ATTWThree), I disagree that Phil "took over the reins" once 
Hackett and Gabriel left. It was a decision made by all three members of the 
band to move into more accessible songs. Two great quotes come to mind. One is
by Phil, commenting on "misunderstanding", "We had always tried to write 4 
or 5 minute songs for radio airplay, but we never were good at it. We've just
gotten better at it." The other (very appropriate quote) is given by Mike
Rutherford in an interview when the interviewer asked why they were moving into
commercialism. Michael replied " We've made art for 10 years; now we're going 
to make some money." Now, not to sound like a newbie, I love old Genesis, and 
IMHO, Foxtrot and SEbtP are the best albums they ever did, but the fact that
they moved into commercialism was due to all three, not just Phil...
	Mikey
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 04:07:16 EST
From: David Anthony Barro <DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: -- Toto info wanted (don't laugh)

Greetings!

    I normally wouldn't consider Toto "progressive" rock, however I think
that the recording of the "DUNE" soundtrack comes pretty close to it, as
soundtracks usually have a bit of "spice" to them.  I've been trying to
find it for a while now, and I've had no success.  Anyone out there who
can help?

                                      Thanks,

                                      Dave (dab112@psuvm.psu.edu)
P.S.  E-mail me, as usual :-)
Organization: Freshman, MCS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:53:55 -0500 
From: Euti Kingsang Perry <ep2m+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Tori Amos: Who is she?

I've heard Crucify and it's really good.  It's on Little Earthquakes,
but I'm reluctant to buy it because I'm wondering if Crucify is the only
good song on it.  Also, how can this be considered progressive?
From: jarnot@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Kevin J. Jarnot)
Newsgroups: alt.music.progressive
Subject: Re: Tori Amos: Who is she?
Date: 20 Nov 92 16:27:31 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center


In article <wf30nnq00awD4g3YRC@andrew.cmu.edu> you write:
> I've heard Crucify and it's really good.  It's on Little Earthquakes,
> but I'm reluctant to buy it because I'm wondering if Crucify is the only
> good song on it.


Not to worry.  _Little Earthquakes_ is IMHO a fantastic album.  I
especially the title song...

> Also, how can this be considered progressive?

Well, again IMHO, it can't be, except again the title song.  It is as
progressive as much of Kate Bush's music - not very.  Except for
Kate's _The Hurting_, that is.  I still don't understand why Tori is
listed in the FAQ, along with Happy Rhodes.  They are good
songwriters/performers, but hardly progressive...



Kevin



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