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From: danjones@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Dan Jones)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Nazareth Notes  IndyCars
Date: 6 Oct 92 01:15:53 GMT
Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation, Mountain View

dreining@gmuvax.gmu.edu writes:

>Let's start with the good stuff:
>
>Unser Jr. was the guest speaker at the Winner's 
>circle club meeting. When asked about F1 he said
>he had been in contact with Frank Williams and
>nothing had materialized. He noted that since
>he had knowledge of the Mansell/Haas talks, he
>placed another call to Frank in order to keep
>his name in the running(without telling anyone
>about the Mansell/Haas talks). Unser Jr said that
>Williams is really not interested in him anyway.
>Jr. also said "Right now Frank Williams does not
>have any drivers signed" He was talking about Prost
>too!
>As for Benneton, Jr called the team dishonest. He said
>that he had been promised a test and was even fitted
>for a seat. After many phone calls Jr. never got
>his test with Benneton and at one point he was told
>that his services were not needed. Unser was later
>offered a contract to drive for Benneton which he
>turned down. He said he would not drive for liars
>and he felt the team was dishonest.

Given the above, it would look like Jr has little chance
of going to F1 next year.  So why would he keep dragging
out his signing with Galles?  I thought the story was that
Jr didn't call Benneton, he waited for them to call him
and nothing materialized.  And after all of this, he gets
a call offering him a ride?  Something sounds fishy
somewhere.  BTW, when was this Winner's circle meeting?

Dan Jones
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From: chucko@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Chuck Fry)
Subject: Re: Indycar race at Nazareth Oct 4ths
Organization: Recom Technologies, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 17:41:09 GMT

In article <1992Sep30.053348.7347@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> unglenie@ford.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J Unglenieks) writes:
>Chuck Fry writes:
>>My IndyCar (tm) schedule says same-day tape-delay on ESPN, 9-11 PM
>>Eastern time that Sunday.  Nazareth doesn't strike me as a good venue
>>for Indy cars; it's an odd little scaled-up bullring that makes me
>>dizzy just watching them.

>Your kidding right?!  An IndyCar on a bullring makes me salivate, twitch,
>and whimper like a puppy who's bone was just taken away.  Those tracks
>are pure racing, wall-to-wall action from the green to the checkered,
>and any other cliche you can put in here.....

I never said I didn't like bullrings -- remember I'm the sprint car
maniac around here.  I just don't think Nazareth's really appropriate
for Indy cars.  I think the layout sucks for just about any kind of
car; it's narrow, the cars never get a chance to stretch out, and
supposedly the spectators don't have a full view of the track either,
which is criminal for a mile oval!

I enjoyed watching the Milwaukee race on the tube, and if I still
lived in New England I'd have been at the NHIS race.  Bob Bahre
deserves to make a ton of money on NHIS, considering the effort and
money he's put into it.

 -- Chuck Fry  Chucko@charon.arc.nasa.gov
    Bring the National Championship back to the fairgrounds miles!
From: speednut@werple.apana.org.au (Mark Jose)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Who attends what in Australia? A survey.
Keywords: Attendance survey
Date: 30 Sep 92 02:58:53 GMT
Organization: werple public-access UNIX, Melbourne
NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.apana.org.au


G'day all,
 
Here is some interesting (to me anyway) news that appeared in the local
paper (it is edited to some degree):
 
                           DRAG RACING TOPS
                   And speedway No. 2 for Crowds
 
Drag racing is the biggest crowd-puller in Australian motor sport, a major
corporate study has found.
 
And dirt track speedway is a fairly close second, with circuit racing -
including the Australian Grand Prix in Adelaide, the Gold Coast IndyCar
GP, the Bathurst 1000 [on next weekend - MJ] and the national touring car
championship - a distant third.
 
The study showed 729,000 people attended drag meetings in the past year.
 
That figure included more than 190,000 fans at Calder Park drag meetings
and 130,000 at Sydney's Eastern Creek drag strip, which was only open for
half the year. [I wonder how much of this also included the Legal
Off-Street Drag Racing - MJ].
 
Dirt track speedway drew 698,700 and circuit racing 407,000, it showed.
 
"Drag racing is the sport's best kept secret," the report said.
 
It said an audited figure of 250,000 paying spectators at drag races in
14 weeks last summer was "truly a testament of the growth in this sport".
 
The author of the report said it was "not unreasonable" to predict one
million fans would attend drag meetings in 1992-93.
 
The report said dirt racing's capacity to draw 700,000 spectators in its
seven-month season was "outstanding".
 
Although its total attendances and growth rate were second only to drag
racing, it was largely ignored by television networks on the grounds of
"insufficient lighting".
 
"Circuit racing, although commanding probably 90 per cent of the available
television networks time, draws relatively the lowest spectator attendance
figures," the report said.
 
Circuit racing's "saving grace" was the crowds drawn by the two big
open-wheeler events and Bathurst.
 
It gave a figure of 30,000 for Bathurst [3 day event - MJ], although last
year's claimed attendance was about 45,000 and the biggest for several
years.
 
But the 120,000 listed for the national touring car championship could be
seen as generous.
 
The report said the Adelaide GP pulled 100,000 spectators on race day ...
 
"The Surfers' Paradise IndyCar race struggles to draw an average 50,000
race day spectators, but is presently a political football [Don't ask me
what this means but still I wonder what the attendances will be with Nigel
Mansell driving? - MJ],"  the report said.
 
It said Nascar and Auscar racing were "displaying some fine aggregates".
 
"The last season saw 70,000 spectators attend over the four meetings
(excluding the Gold Coast meeting, where the stock cars run in support
events to the IndyCar GP)."
 
-Excerpt from The Herald-Sun [Melbourne] 29/09/92.
From: geoff@hawkesbury.uws.EDU.AU (Geoff Russell)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Motormedia help please
Keywords: Motormedia,McLaren,Hulme
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:02:56 GMT
Organization: University of Western Sydney, Hawkesbury

I am hoping a UK reader may be able to confirm if Eoin S. Young's
Motormedia Limited Specialist Bookbroking Service still exists.

The address I have from 1982 is
 P.O. Box 3,
 East Horsley,
 Surrey, UK.

Could someone check a phone directory and confirm the above for me.

Geoff Russell,
Analyst Programmer,
University of Western Sydney,
Richmond, 
New South Wales,
AUSTRALIA
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From: eualmm@eua.ericsson.se (Lars Marklund)
Subject: Re: Benneton/Portugal ??
Reply-To: eualmm@eua.ericsson.se
Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1992 08:22:25 GMT

In article F7v@news.cso.uiuc.edu, tvp53202@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Toby Vaughn Padfield) writes:
>b102smi@utarlg.uta.edu (George M. Smiley) writes:
>
>>What were those two rectangular LCD readouts above the dash on the
>>Bennetons keeping track of ? They both seemed to around zero when
>>Brundle/Schumacher where off the gas and around 500 when they were
>>on the gas. Also, did Mclaren use the active suspension at any time
>>during the weekend ?
>
>>George
>
>	I think the two LCD's are speed and lap time, although I'm not sure
>especially the latter. I'm not sure if McLaren used the active any, have to
>wait until FOSA sends me a newsletter next week.
>
>TOBY...

  
    According to John Watson one is speed and the other one is G-force.

    /LM
From: meier@rtc.atk.com (Christopher M. Meier)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Dover Eyewitness Wanted (NASCAR)
Date: 30 Sep 92 16:02:31 GMT
Article-I.D.: rtc.1992Sep30.160231.10407
Organization: Alliant Techsystems, Inc., Mpls, MN

In article <adams.717861596@spssig> adams@spss.com (Steve Adams) writes:
>Oh?  The man with 3 LAST place finishes so far this year?   The guy with a
>real good chance of not finishing in the top-ten in points?
>
>Yeah, yeah, 5 championships...but the King has seven...and 4 times as many
>wins...
>   Steve Adams        "Space-age cybernomad"       Fax:   (312) 329-3558

Yeah, well, if Earnhardt was running as many races a year as Petty
used to, things might be different.  And if he had been racing as long.
Anyone else notice that the Goodwrench chevrolet has been puking almost
every race since Shelmerdine started racing himself?  Is he still a
member of the Childress team?  Why?  I wouldn't blame only Dale for
his points position; matter of fact I would give him little of the blame.

Chris
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From: zlsiida@fs1.mcc.ac.uk (dave budd)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: staus of Brabham, Fondmetal, and a q about Canada
Date: 1 Oct 92 09:37:46 GMT
Organization: Manchester Computing Centre

What is the current situation with Brabham and Fondmetal?  I've put 'did not 
enter' in my chart but I'm not sure this is correct.

What happened to Belmondo in Canada?  I have only a  ?  in my chart!


              Have another day    [Armageddon, the musical] 
  Dave Budd, MCC, Oxford Rd, Manchester, England   (44|0)61-275-6033  
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From: tlm1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Terry Matula)
Subject: Re: NASCAR & Mickey D's
Organization: Mississippi State University
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 23:20:52 GMT

jth4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JON T. HUTCHINSON) writes:

 ... about McDonalds going to sponsor Junior Johnson's Ford ...

> I thought Richard Petty had McDonalds sponsering his racing team next year.
> If it's not McDonalds who is it? I don't think it is STP.

The story I heard was that STP was planning to stay all along.  McDonalds
wanted to sponsor Richard, but did not want to share the car (paint scheme-
wise) with STP.  So Richard had to choose between STP and McDonalds and 
decided to stay with STP who has been so loyal to him for 20 years.

--
Terry Matula
tlm1@ra.msstate.edu
matula@ee.msstate.edu
From: cjp53999@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Cory James Padfield)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: Top Five Drivers/Top Three Tracks
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:58:35 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.Bvnwpp.3s5
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana


      This is an interesting thread. I would like to include more
than just 5/3. For drivers, I think most would agree to the following
as leading drivers:
   1. Al Prost- the best. Senna isn't better, neither is Mansell. Period.
   2. Ayrton Senna- what needs to be said about him. He clearly is
		    stunning with a good car and motivation.
   3. Nigel Mansell- if he can go 2 secs a lap faster than Patrese in
		     in the same car, then he truly is fast.
   4. Mike Schu- the hottest up-and-coming driver. The next Senna.
   5. Mika Hakkinen- the second hottest up-and-coming. Look for him
		     to truly develop by next year, making Wendlinger,
		     Lehto, etc. look inferior.
   6. Johnny Herbert- even though he is not having as good a year as 
		      Hakk, he is still almost as quick. Remember 1989
		      when he was wiht Benetton and finished fourth in
		      his first race.

     And since I am recalling 1989, Alessandro Nannini's name pops into
my mind. He was really showing that year, and Benetton was finally coming
into their own. I think if he was still in F1,he would be a top five driver
easily. Please no flames on this- if Rob U can put Rick Mears and Al Jr. in
the top five, then I can put Sandro in.


     As for tracks, I really like:
	1. Spa. What more needs to be said other than 4.3 mile long. How
		can a track not be good when it is that long.
	2. Hockenheim. I like 200 mph, so I like Hockenheim. Besides, there
		       actually is a place to pass here.
	3. Suzuka. Has everything- esses, straights, chicane, hairpin, and
		   a sixth gear white knuckler. I think it is second behind
		   Spa.
        4. Montreal. Some people don't think you can pass here, but I don't.
		     Just because Senna held everyone up is no reason to
		     pan this pretty good track.
        5. Imola. Everyone should like this for Tamburello alone.
	6. Interlagos.

 I like Mexico City as well, but it is no longer used. I must disagree with
 Hungary's inclusion on the original list. Yes, it does have close action,
 but at the expense of more action that would occur if a driver could actually
 pass somewhere on this piece of crap.
   Well, that does it for me. Nomex on, replies welcome.

Regards,
Cory
From: geoff@tyger.Eng.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: If you want to see a McLaren Honda close up.....
Date: 29 Sep 92 18:35:06 GMT
Organization: SunSelect
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During my wanderings about Europe over the last couple of weeks, I
encountered two McLaren Hondas on display at airports: one at London
Gatwick (North Terminal) and the other at Amsterdam's Schipol.  Both
appeared to be 1991 cars, but I didn't have time to investigate too
closely. However, if anyone finds themselves with a couple of hours to
kill at either location, maybe they can post more details. Both were
accompanied by Marlboro salespersons (bletch) and a display including
F.1 videos highlighting (not surprisingly) McLaren Honda. Sorry, make
that MARLBORO McLaren Honda.

Geoff
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From: jcsmith@eos.ncsu.edu (Jay C. Smith)
Subject: Re: Marlboro Challenge 
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 14:21:52 GMT

In article <1992Oct3.203726.19139@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU 
(Andrew BW Colfelt) writes:
>Is this event to be televised?  

I think it's supposed to be on the evening of Monday, October 19, on ESPN.
Correct me if I'm wrong, please....

--
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From: salil@igor.tamri.com (Salil Saxena)
Subject: Re: F1 Portugal: Patrese incident
Organization: Toshiba America MRI Inc, S. San Francisco, CA.
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 21:56:25 GMT

In article <MARTIN.92Sep29154117@kilo.inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de> martin@inferenzsysteme.informatik.th-darmstadt.de (Martin Protzen) writes:
>I haven't seen a discussion about this yet, so please what do you
>think about this frightening incident between Berger and Patrese ?
>Luckily noone has been seriously injured. 
>
>I for my part think that Berger should have been blackflagged as he
>purposely played tricks on Patrese. I'm not saying that Berger's
>intention was this accident but he slowed down without a reason. My
>first impression was that he perhaps missed a gear but he didn't
>mention such a thing in the interviews. So although slowing down (and
>being pushed by Patrese) he went for a pit stop but actually didn't
>stop there. German TV showed Berger on the track again before Patrese
>had left his car. That means his only intentions were to keep Patrese
>behind.

Interesting you mention this.  The ESPN folks had mentioned that maybe Berger
was trying to Pit.  But as you well pointed out, Berger didn't come in and
pit.  Instead went through the pit lane and back on to the race track, probably
at full steam.  It was also mentioned that maybe the McLaren pit crew was not
ready for Berger, who then had to pit a bit latter.

I find this last statment a bit hard to believe.  If Berger was trying to pit,
the McLaren pit crew would have definetly known and would have been ready.  If
Berger was not ready to pit, then maybe Berger was slightly pushed into the
pit lane, when Patrese hit Bergers wheel.

Perhaps you are right.  Maybe Berger was a bit too impatient with Patrese and
might have done this just to get Patrese off his back (yes, I know put on
my Nomex suit).

Regardless, I too feel that some penality should be given to Berger. 

>I think this way of "keeping another driver behind" should have consequences,
>at least for the ongoing race. But instead Berger walks away with six points,
>his best finish this season. He could have killed Patrese ...
>
>
>Martin.



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From: agwiii@fang.att.com (Grayson Walker (660-7949)(12/92))
Subject: Re: Porsche @ Indy, carbon fiber
Organization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:08:07 GMT

In article <1171@racerx.bridge.COM> james@Bridge.COM (James Montebello) writes:
>In article <mskz8+a@rpi.edu> parfrk@rpi.edu writes:
>[Very nice carbon fiber stuff deleted, along with "colorful" ball-peen
> hammer example]
>>Which would you choose?  Think about it.  The point of the helmet shell is
>>simply to protect the styrofoam from incedental damage and wear.  I have
>>never owned a helmet but I'm told it is recommended to replace the styrofoam
>>after _any_ head impact.  It is the styrofoam that absorbs energy, saving 
>>your life.  
>
>I won't touch your carbon fiber stuff. But your helmet comments are
>slightly wrong. The hard helmet shell's primary job is not to protect
>the styrofoam from incidental damage, but to spread the force of a
>point impact over a large area of foam. If you smacked me upside the
>head with a claw hammer instead of a ball peen hammer, the styrofoam by
>itself wouldn't do me much good, particularly if the hammer claws were
>longer than the foam's depth. The shell and the foam work together to
>save your life. 
>
>The "foam" helmet would probably be sufficient in accidents that
>involve the head striking fairly blunt objects (like a roll cage or a
>body panel), but if a wheel gets ripped off and a suspension arm hits
>the helmet end on, I'd want a nice hard shell covering that foam.

In most of our high speed sports, helmets are composites of foam 
covered by some sort of shell.  In bicycle recing, where the speeds
are lower and weight reduction is an obsession, shell-less helmets
emerged.  They were lighter, but had a major problem.  On impact,
the foam could crack or break into pieces, leaving the rider without
protection.  Some of the vendors now use a lycra cover to try to 
protect the foam, but most have gone to some sort of shell.  At least
part of the importance of the shell is to maintain the structural
integrity of the foam in an accident.  The foam must be intact and
able to crush to absorb the impact.

Most helmet vendors recommend that you replace the foam after ANY
impact.  They also recommend that you not use old helmets -- as the
foam ages, it loses some of its ability to protect.

We've come a long way from the leather helmets worn by Caracciola and
Nuvolari.

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From: drabik@eecom.gatech.edu (Timothy J. Drabik)
Subject: Re: Flat-4 in Japanese "Atlantic" series?
Organization: /etc/organization
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 22:10:43 GMT

>I recently spoke to one of the principles of Silverstone Motorsports,
                                ^^^^^^^^^^

Sorry!  I meant "principals."

		TJD


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From: pmh2962@tamsun.tamu.edu (Patrick Michael Hayes)
Subject: Top Five (US) drivers; forget the tracks ....
Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 23:36:54 GMT

Howdy!
	Wow.  I can't believe I'm writing this ... A previous post made
me sit and think about this one.  I don't know much about foreign
drivers so ... your mileage will vary here.

1.	Michael Andretti (in spite of what I just posted about attitude)
	  will use 101% of the machine, 110% of the track to get the win.

2 (tie). Al Unser Jr and Dale Earnhardt.  Pure persistence here, along
	  a little intimidation and a ton of experience (genes in the
	  case of Lil' Al).  Proven winners in their respective series.

3.	Harry Gant.  I heard someone describe his forte' as consistency;
	  lap after lap of near-identical (fast) lines.  Unlike Michael
	  Harry gets 110% out of his resources and still manages to take
	  50 or 60% to the next race (?).  Consistency saves speed and
	  fuel and tires and brakes and ... wonder how he'd do at Indy?
	  Now, if he had a Ford this year ........

4.	Bill Elliot.  Lurker Supreme!  May not lead laps like Michael
	  but he'll be challenging for the lead at the end.  Big tracks
	  are his playground, doesn't seem to get the gist of short track
	  nuances -- like Geoff Bodine and Darrell (?) Waltrip.

5.	Toss-up.  Emmo, Rahal, Rusty Wallace, Scott Sharp, Geoff Brabham,
	  Waltrip, Kyle Petty;  sorry drag fans.
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From: glenn@misty.boeing.com (Glenn Cirlincione)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.sport
Subject: Re: NASCAR & Mickey D's
Date: 5 Oct 92 18:40:49 GMT
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane BCS Support

To continue the conversation, there is the ability to "negotiate" transferring
a number from one team to another.  I am not sure that's the case here...