HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: eesAr
Organization: Patient Stone
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:55:12 GMT


ShahrAm khAn in ending wrote:
>Mr. Naraghi, Former student of AMUT (I used to go there too), 

I fail to see the AMUT connection here.  Why getting personal?
So the moral is two people went to the same university, but had 
different views.

On the bright side, hey ham-velAyati, mamlekate AMUT chetoreh?  What was
your major there and when did you go the university?

>If you read the entire article to which you are responding and pay attention
>to the last part of it, you will feel sorry for childish contents of your
>brackets.

I addressed this issue in my previous post.  ShahrAm you found the brackets
childish according to your yardstick.  It's perfectly alright with me.  But,
ouch, why do you say *I* should feel sorry for them?  You see I am the
Martian and you're the Earthian.  If you visited Mars please don't blame me
to have been living (probably not by my choice!!) there.  Yet, I perfectly
understand why *you* have a hard time breathing there, becuase your body
system is not accustomed and conditioned to the Martian atmosphere.

>I am sorry for the last statement but at this stage this is the
>politest thing that I can say.

Thank you for letting me know what your capacity is.  BTW, which 'eesAr'
is applicable here? :-)

>I don't know why your heart-beat increases every time someone uses the
>word "Persian".

This one really takes a big ouch out of me.  You really don't know my
heart-beat increased.  You could only guess that was the case perhaps
if you were in the same situation you might have reacted that way. I am
positive that I have not discovered a sign of blood pressure in me.

>Are you being logical? Are you ok?

Depends whose yardstick we will measure it with.  If my reacting to a
Persian word is the basis, then the answer to the above is yes.  If you
ask myself I say no.

>Which part my article invoked you to type in those brackets?

No part of it.  I answered this before.

Regards,
Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Subject: Re: poem [ sci-anon-poster ] [sci-anon-poster]
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 04:02:22 GMT


In article: <93022.192918RMODARR@auvm.american.edu> Reza Modarres
<RMODARR@auvm.american.edu> writes:

>In article <C19nI2.LI@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad
>Ebrahimi) says:
>
>   <Something to the effect that the poet is not vahshe-e bafghe  >

>   I am positive that the poet is Vahshe-e bafghe. I even used to know most
>   of it by heart. But, that does me no godd now. Does it?

    OK. Your " Nazar" is our " Hojat". It may be because of some unknown
    viruses in my memory!

>RezA

Mohammad

>P.S. Still waiting to see if anyone can dig it up.


   Me too.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack)
Subject: Re: Is there an interpreter in the house?
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 23:16:29 GMT

yaser@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Ala) writes:
>shahrokh@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Shahrokh M.) writes:
>>
>>  [shAhrokh's advice deleted]
>>
>>ps if you have a sparc-station, i can e-mail you a soundfile, containing
>>the proper diction & pronunciations!  now thats technology put to good
>                                                                ~~~~~~~
>>use!
>~~~~~
>Are you sure this will be used for GOOD USE.
>I do not think helping Americans date an Iranian girl is justified.

Why not alA?

Are Iranian girls too good for Americans in general? Funny I ask this,
because personally I would answer yes to the above question, but that
has a flavor of my biased background and thought process. Why is it
so? Am I spoiled?  :-)

>Ala

    --mack
From: minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: -None supplied- [sci-poster]
Date: 26 Jan 93 18:36:59 GMT
Organization: University of Cincinnati

In article <lm9ur7INNm81@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> forghani@condor.ccrit.doc.ca (B. Forghani (Idacom/HP)) writes:
>khashayar mirfakhraei
>
>>      Not withstanding a major divergence from the subject, like many other
>>cultural aspects of post-islamic Iran, the days of the week also bear a
>>bi-lingual as  well as a bi-cultural signature. Another example would be the
>>hejriye-shamsi calender:
>>the hejri part references our islamic heritage were as shamsi portion
>>denotes the solar based calender used in persia before islam.
>
>
>This bi-culturalism is the basis of Shi'ism. Many of the pre-islamic believes
>and pagan rituals were preserved in Shi'ism. The best examples are:
>
>The Ashura ceremony, i.e., the mourning for Hossein, Shi'it's Imam, was
>performed for Siavash before invasion of Iran by moslems. Before islam,
>there was a sect in Iran called Soog-e-Siavash. The story of Hossein and
>Siavash have a lot of resembelance. Siavash, Keikavous' son goes to Turan and
>marries AfrasiAb's daughter Farangis and later on AfrAsiAb betrays and kills
>him. This is analogous to the AshurA story that people of KuffA invited Hossein
>and later betray and kill him. Iranians used this analogy and kept the
>Soog-e-Siavash mourning alive.
>
>Most of the Shi'ism philosophy is and attempt to mix the pre-islamic Iranian
>believes with islam. For examples, Iranians beleived in monarchy and they
>extended the belif in monarchy to islam and called the descendents of Mohammad
>Imams and like any other system of monarchy, the son of the king inherits the
>throne.
>
>Besides the monarchy and the belief that only the descendents of Mohammad
>should inherit his throne, Iranians hated Ommar because Iran was invaded
>under his rule and they liked Ali's descendents because Ali was against the
>invasion of persia and Hossein had married the enslaved daughter of
>Yazde-Gerd III.
>
>Up to around 30 years ago, Iranians had a ceremony called the ritual of killing
>Ommar or Ommar Koshoon. In the eve of the last Wednesday of the year,
>ChAhAr-Shanbeh-Soori where zealot Shi'its burnt a statue of Ommar. The excuse
>was that Ali was the legitimate Khalif after death of Mohammad and Ommar had
>denied him his right to lead moslems which is the basis of Shi'ism. The real
>reason is perhaps the invasion of Iran when he was in power. The ceremony of
>Ommar Koshoon was banned during the Shah's regime.
>
>Behdad
>
>
i know i am going to get in trouble for this. but i wanted to post something
like this a long time ago. but i decided, i get enough hate mail as it is.
i don't need more.

zafar
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:32:39 EST
From: Reza Modarres <RMODARR@auvm.american.edu>
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: poem [ sci-anon-poster ] [sci-anon-poster]
 <1k24b6INNsrr@shelley.u.washington.edu>

In article <1k24b6INNsrr@shelley.u.washington.edu>,
payman@hardy.u.washington.edu (Payman Arabshahi) says:
>
>In article <C1E5vz.J4A@ccu.umanitoba.ca> ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca
>(Mohamad Ebrahimi) writes:
>>
>>In article: <93022.192918RMODARR@auvm.american.edu> Reza Modarres
>><RMODARR@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>
>[Discussion about who wrote "kheezeed-o khaz Areed ..."]
>
>------
>
>This poem is by Manoochehri DAmghAni.  It is
>quite long (63 verses) and the first two
>stanzas are:


   I believe the poem in question was "rozegare man-o del saken-e koee bodeem".
   That, I still say is by bafghe.
RezA
From: javad@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Agha Javad)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: IRAN CRITICISES RUSSIA FOR ARMING SERBS
Date: 21 Jan 93 18:37:28 GMT
Organization: LabaniyyAtee-e-Sar-e-Koocheh

In article <sehari.727588861@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>
>
> IRAN CRITICISES RUSSIA FOR ARMING SERBS 
>    NICOSIA, Jan 20, Reuter - Iran publicly voiced concern about Russian
>military aid to Serbs in their fight against Moslems in Bosnia-Herzegovina for
>the first time on Wednesday. 


>    ``He (Khamenei) said the Islamic Republic (of Iran) was greatly concerned
>about Russia's military aid to the Serbs which had 'injured the feelings of the
	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Moslems','' IRNA said. 
^^^^^^^^^^^

>    Iran has maintained good relations with Moscow since the Soviet Union's
>breakup a year ago despite criticising aspects of Russian policy in
>Moslem-populated former Soviet republics. 
>    Last November Tehran took delivery of one of three diesel-powered
>Kilo-class submarines it bought from Russia. It said it paid $450 million for
>the three vessels, denying Western reports that they cost $600 million each. 
> REUTER MZ JNC 
>
>-- 


But at the same time,

U.S. WILL BE PUNISHED FOR RAIDING IRAQ - IRAN

      TEHRAN, Jan 20, Reuter - Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
blasted the United States and its Western allies on Wednesday for attacking
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Iraq and said Washington would be punished for its ``sin.''
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     ``America pursues its Satanic interests in the Persian Gulf region. There
is no doubt that it will get stuck in the mud and receive punishment for the
sin it has committed,'' he said.


I don't know which is worse, bombing of Saddam's military targets or military
support for ethnic cleansing and mass rape.  Is it just me, or do I sense
a "double standard" here?

Another example of this double standard is the hostage taking, because of all 
the crimes the US allegedly committed against Iran during Pahlavi regime.  But
as far as I am concerned, that was nothing compared to what France and
the former Soviet Union did to our country by supplying and arming the bulk
of Iraq's military during its unjust war with Iran.  Not only Soviet
and French embassies were not taken hostage, but IRI even had good relations
with both of these countries.  How is this?


just a thought


Agha Javad
From: assana@polkadot.Eng.Sun.COM (assana)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Why Tashdid?
Followup-To: assana@polkadot.eng.sun.com
Date: 21 Jan 1993 19:06:04 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: polkadot

In article <1993Jan20.201620.26863@netcom.com> bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi) writes:

>dast garmi Exercise:  What is the Persian word for aval?

Nokhosteen.
-- 
         ^-^
        /o o\
       ===^===   assana@polkadot.eng.sun.com
          -
From: me12@prism.gatech.EDU (Reza Ebrahimpour)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: KASRAYEE vs. KASRAVI
Date: 27 Jan 93 16:09:23 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

Regarding the recent discussions on the new style of poetry in Iran,
it seems to me that some of our friends have mixed 
KASRAYEE, the popular poet with KASRAVI the controversial writer
who was assassinated by his opponents.

It may be wise for us to read some before talking a lot.

Reza Ebrahimpour
Xref: sparky soc.culture.iranian:11965 soc.culture.arabic:6916
From: martillo@nero.clearpoint.com (Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian,soc.culture.arabic
Subject: Re: Marriage, Question about rape, etc
Date: 24 Jan 93 18:06:02 GMT
Organization: Clearpoint Research Corp., Hopkinton Mass.

In article <93013.181117LMWHITE@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> Lois White <LMWHITE@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes:
>In article <ll98adINNbti@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM
>(Shahrokh Mortazavi) says:

>>In article <1993Jan13.023654.28821@ntuix.ntu.ac.sg> g
>>othman@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.s
>>(othman (EEE/Div 4)) writes:

>>>: shahrokh
>>>  othman

>>>adultery is to have sex with another woman without prior marriage
>>arrangement.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>thats your definition.  another accepted definition is having sex with someone
>>other than your wife.  i *dont* consider two unmarried people having sex to be
>>committing adultery.  since our definitions diverge here, lets stop that
>>subthread.

>In English, there are separate words for these two situations:

>A married person who has sex with someone other than his/her spouse is
>committing adultery.
>           ^^^^^^^^

>Any person who has sex with any other person to whom he or she is not
>married is committing fornication.
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^

But I should add that if a man and woman have contracted an Islamic
marriage, the man can have sexual intercourse with some other woman
and is not necessarily committing adultery while the woman is
definitely committing adultery if she has sexual intercourse with some
other man.

In fact, this disgusting situation can occur in Judaism.  At least the
Jewish `ulama have forbidden such things and do not generally advance
ridiculous apologia for polygyny or try to justify it as the Muslim
`ulama does.

A muslim woman who accepts this ridiculous Islamic ideology with
respect to her place in marriage or in life is simply a fool or has
been totally brain-washed to the point where she has lost here sense
of self.
-- 
Joachim Carlo Santos Martillo Ajami

The article represents noone's opinions other than the author's.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: s5ubxh@fnma.COM (Behrooz Hadavi)
Subject: Re: Why Tashdid?
Reply-To: s5ubxh@fnma.COM
Organization: Fannie Mae
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:06:36 GMT

> As far as I know the Persian word for AVVAL is NAKHOST.

The word "nakhost" means "first" in the sense of "beginning."  It does not
fully convey a numerical order.

If you wanted to convey a numerical progression, you could say "yekkom",
"dovvom", "sevvom", ...

Behrooz
From: jamsaeff@w250zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (J. Naghizadeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Job wanted in Iran
Date: 22 Jan 93 13:35:49 GMT
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
NNTP-Posting-Host: w250zrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de

In <1993Jan18.094712.203466@uctvax.uct.ac.za> snggab01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes:

>To all of you out there on this newsgroup.Can anyone furnish me with
>information on job prospects for computer science graduates in Iran.The Iranian
>embassy here was unhelpful.I would preferrably like the addresses of companies
>in Iran.It's not a problem for me to learn Farsi since I have a teacher
>available.

>Wa Aleikum Salaam

>Jibril.

Sir:

Well, it seems to me that the best place in Iran for a high paying
computer science job is Ghom. As you all know, recently some 3000
Akhonds have begun learning computer science. In fact someone suggested
that these Akhonds will soon have access to internet. I do not have
their address. May be someone else could supply this.

Good luck,

--jamshid
From: khadem@leland.Stanford.EDU (Rasool Khadem)
Subject: VAZHEH NEGAR Version 2.0 
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 22:45:35 GMT

Hello everybody,

Does anybody have any information about last version of VAZHEH NEGAR ? I am
looking for a Farsi word processor for IBM PC. In Iran I used to work with 
VAZHEH NEGAR 1.1 and it was a really nice software. 
Also any other Desktop Pubs which runs under Windows environment, or any kind
of Farsi Windows is urgently needed.

Addresses, prices, facilities or any reference are desired information.

Thank you all.

Rasool Khadem
From: jazz@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Farhad Jazayeri)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Enemy Part 2...Sec.#2...
Date: 28 Jan 1993 19:10:51 GMT
Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
Distribution: FBI
NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4

                                                                              
                                                                   . . ]_,_7q 
                                                                         :  / 
I am glad that finally you have realized that, I need some help
how can I study after what you have done to me...How would you like
to put yourself in my shoes 4 one day..I wish you could do that to
find out how I feel...And 
As I told you before...I am not gonna harm you..I just want you to
take a good care of Shirin 4 me...I talked to Jamal by the way
and told him to stay away from our problems..This matter is only
between You  &  I..
	And we will get to the bottom of this one day...I make asure
	of that...

                                                                      |     . 
                                                              . . . > |_8  _9 
                                                                          /   
									  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Bavafa and his posts
Organization: The Call of People
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 08:00:56 GMT

In article <1993Jan24.110725.28413@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> shahrokh@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Shahrokh M.) writes:
>In article <22JAN199323542038@reg.triumf.ca> mahin@reg.triumf.ca writes:
>>
>>*dodging flying objects*
>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>bavafa, at least make it worthwhile: try 500 dow-zArees!

First, it was 498 if I remember correctly.  Second, I wouldn't anyways.  mA
ahle chiz part kardan nistim.  :-)

>ps bavafa, i vaguely remember something about a new years resolution.  hmmm,
>what was it...

OK.  How about a month of sci-less life to compensate?  It must be much
harder than trying to stick to some new years resolution!  Here we go . . .

Hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056


Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Subject: Re: Re: poem [sci-anon-poster] [sci-anon-poster]
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 17:34:50 GMT


In article: <llrvs6INN1cq@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>assana@polkadot.Eng.Sun.COM 
(assana) writes:

>In article <93018.115725RMODARR@auvm.american.edu> Reza Modarres ><RMODARR@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>>
>>       1) By vahshe-e bafghe   Reads like "rozegare man o del saken-e

>Talking of vahshy-e bafghy, there's another poem that is just beautiful,
>from which I only remember the first 2 "beyts":

>	khizid-o khaz Arid, ke hengam-e khazAn ast
>				  bAd-e khonok az jAneb-e khArazm vazAn ast
>	An panj-e-ye zarin ke be An shAkh-e razan ast
>				  gooy-e be masal pirhan-e rangrazAn ast

 
   And all those years, our Persian Literature prof. insisted that this
   beautiful "Qassideh" is one of the masterpieces of Manoochehry ( Damghani
   or Sistany? I don't remember!). :-)

  But, seriously, I'd love to see this poem in full again.

>Anyone knows the rest?
>-- 
>         ^-^
>        /o o\
>       ===^===   assana@polkadot.eng.sun.com
>          -   


Mohammad
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: bavafa@netcom.com (Hooshyar Naraghi)
Subject: Re: Why Tashdid?
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 13:08:41 GMT

In article <1993Jan21.060950.3659@cc.uow.edu.au> g9020985@cc.uow.edu.au
(Mansour Esmaili) writes:
>I guess that is because we are using some of the Arabic rules in our
>language, Farsi.  What you asked about is not the only case.  Some of the
>others are "dovoman", "sevoman",.... As you know "an, en, on" which are
>called "tanvin" are Arabic, but we normaly use them.

I hadn't thought about tanvin.  Good pointers Mansour khAn.

>I think the best meaning for "aval", as one of the "ahAli" has said, is
>"nakhost".

In that case, I would say your position that we (Iranians) used some of
the Arabic rules would be considered 'nakhostin' possible answer to my
beginning-to-get-an-answer question.

Regards,
hooshyar F. Naraghi
bavafa@netcom.com
(415) 322-8056
From: cheragh@alborz.mti.sgi.com (Mash Cheragh-Ali)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Re; program for Farsi writing [sci-poster]
Date: 27 Jan 1993 21:43:40 GMT
Organization: The Light House
Distribution: world
Reply-To: cheragh@alborz.mti.sgi.com (Mash Cheragh-Ali)
NNTP-Posting-Host: woodman.mti.sgi.com

In article <lm93vuINNkub@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp (Farzin Mokhtarian) writes:
|> 
|> Mash Cheragh Ali was nice enough to do the implementation when I asked him
|> to write a program for Farsi writing using ascii characters. He can supply
|> the program and his original font file. The font file can be easily changed
|> which is what I have done to obtain fonts I prefer. If you like to try it
|> out, send me Email.
|>   
|>  - Farzin Mokhtarian
|>    farzin@apollo3.ntt.jp
|>                           

Dear Farzin,

I should make a correction here.  You suggested that I write a program
when you saw the prototype Persian scripts I had posted to sci.  At that 
time I was almost finished with the program and was in the process of
testing it.  I did send you an email at the time to thank you for your 
suggestion and positive encouragement and let you know about the program. 
However, due to problems with your address, my mail bounced back.  

As it is mentioned in the acknowledgement part of the Gerdsooz 
announcement, I did enjoy the advices and suggestions of Anoosh and 
Mahyar in writing Gerdsooz.  I followed them closely to learn about their
secrets and mistakes, and it worked :-).  I'm also glad to use this
opportunity to offer the position of Director of Gerdsooz marketing to 
Mahyar.  Now that Mahyar is Gerdsooz-literate, he can work on promoting 
Gerdsooz in both the SoftSooz and HardSooz forms!  Hopefully by now Mahyar 
is disillusioned about becoming Iran's Bill Gate, and he will accept my 
offer while it lasts.

On another note, I wanted to suggest that if you or others create nicer 
fonts to share it with everyone else.

MCA 
-- 
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From: ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: misrepresentation of islam (reply to hossein)
Date: 21 Jan 93 10:50:53 GMT
Organization: British Telecom

In article <C15090.L25@ucunix.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Zafar T Minhas) writes:

> Finally (for this post at least), I would like to point out that verses
> 3:191 and 9:71 totally do away with Hosseins bunk about women being
> omm-al-fassad. It's all BS. If people would just read the quran with some
> understanding and stop listening to the words of some 3rd party many
> misunderstandings could be cleared up.

> zafar

Zafar,

I never attributed the term "omm-al-fassad" to Qor'an or even a
hadith.  As I mentioned in my previous post, it is YOU who first
equate every nasty thing with Islam/Qor'an (albeit attributing it to
your opponents) and then try to refute it.  So stop this nonsense of
refuting imaginary allegations etc.

I also said that I am not going to enter into a debate on Islam in
SCI.  What I am mainly concerned with - and is of concern to people on
this net - is the *realities* of life in Iran.  And I would honestly
advise you that you are wasting your time.  You may preach to the
converted few on this net.  As the vast majority, they have experinced
a form of "Islamic" rule on their own or friends lives in the form of
opperssion, tortures, murders, rapes, massacres etc in the name of
God/Islam/Qor'an/hadith.  Whatever else you say about Islam is
academic, and not of interest to the people who have suffered these
brutual realities.

-hossein
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: ebrahim@ee.umanitoba.ca (Mohamad Ebrahimi)
Subject: Re: Iran attempts to establish fundamentalist hold in Bosnia
Organization: Elect & Comp Engineering, U of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 02:52:45 GMT


>From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
>Subject: Iran attempts to establish fundamentalist hold in Bosnia
>Message-ID: <1993Jan27.005449.14764@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>


>	WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Several thousand Iranian Revolutionary Guards are

  [ stuff deleted ]

>    ... Al-Quds, the Parsi word for Jerusalem ....
                      ^^^^^


   What a knowledgable news agency!!!


Mohammad