HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: bzs@ussr.std.com (Barry Shein)
Subject: Re: We could blow up USL.
Organization: The World
	<1992Aug20.235637.21040@njitgw.njit.edu>
	<KANDALL.92Aug21141122@globalize.nsg.sgi.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 00:20:10 GMT


>Kenneth> Hm, do header files count?
>
>In the case if System V, files under usr/src/head can be distributed
>as part of a derivative product.  I assume earlier AT&T licenses
>had similar clauses.

Yes, but that's not really the question he asked.

The question was: If one has looked through /usr/include/*.h (and
*/*.h) files on an AT&T/USL Brand Unix system can a program the person
writes later be considered owned by AT&T/USL, based on the ``exposed
to AT&T/USL source code'' theory.

Thus far, based on AT&T/USL's current claims against BSDI and UCB, a
conservative guess would be: Yes, the header files explicitly claim
(on at least SVR4 systems) to be unpublished, proprietary source of
AT&T/USL and therefore may well be used as evidence to snatch your
work from you or your company.

--
        -Barry Shein

Software Tool & Die    | bzs@world.std.com          | uunet!world!bzs
Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202        | Login: 617-739-WRLD
From: wbardwel@el_padre.mitre.org (Bill Bardwell)
Newsgroups: alt.suit.att-bsdi
Subject: Re: 1-800-ITS-UNIX
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:21:53 GMT
Organization: The MITRE Corporation

>after calling both uunet's 800 number and also the nouveau 1-800-4bsd (bsdi)
>after hours, it becomes clear that they at least share the same
>answering service.  hmmm...
They don't merely have the same ansering service, they are in the same
building (and I beleive that the offices are nearly the same too (either
right next to each other or indeed not seperable.)
-- 
---------------------------------------
William Bardwell
wbardwel@elara.mitre.org
From: jeff@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Jeff Dalton)
Newsgroups: alt.suit.att-bsdi
Subject: Re: Copyright issues in this lawsuit.
Date: 14 Aug 92 17:28:30 GMT
Organization: AIAI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <1992Aug13.234659.1820@colorado.edu> kooros@refuge.Colorado.EDU (Paul T. Kooros) writes:

>Typically, their approach has been to draw analogy between book and program.
>Evidence of this can be seen in the "Lotus Development Corp. vs. Paperback
>Software" case, where Lotus sued Paperback for selling a program competing
>with their popular 123 program.  The judge concluded that since the function
>of the program was "substantially similar" this was like the "theme" of a
>book being the same, and therefore constituted copyright infringment,

"Therefore"?  Since when was having the same theme a copyright
infringement?

Not only are they making bogus analogies to books, they're not
even getting it right for books!

-- jd
Newsgroups: alt.suit.att-bsdi
From: wollman@trantor.emba.uvm.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Subject: Re: 1-800-ITS-UNIX
Organization: University of Vermont, EMBA Computer Facility
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 21:09:24 GMT

In article <509@alden.UUCP> sgr@alden.UUCP writes:
>Does anyone know whether BSDI purchased that phone number,
>1-800-ITS-UNIX, from AT&T?  Hmmm...

According to 800.carriers, from the TELECOM Archives (at lcs.mit.edu):

487 UTC  US TELCOM, INC./US SPRINT

Unfortunately, `800-NOT-UNIX' is assigned to Canadian 800 services, and
`800-BSD-UNIX' belongs to the NASC (800 Number Assignment and Service
Center).

-GAWollman

-- 
   Garrett A. Wollman  = wollman@emba.uvm.edu = UVM is welcome to my opinions
                       =    uvm-gen!wollman   =
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   exists, than to bring joy to another person.    - Elf Sternberg
Xref: sparky alt.suit.att-bsdi:178 comp.unix.bsd:4264
From: kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies)
Newsgroups: alt.suit.att-bsdi,comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: UNIGRAM's article on the USL-BSDI suit
Date: 17 Aug 92 09:53:50 GMT
Reply-To: kuku@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de
Organization: I.Physikalisches Institut RWTH-Aachen


>>that Henry Ford invented the motor car.  Karl Benz (Mercedes-Benz; heard of
                                           ^^^^
                                           Carl Benz

--Khris 
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Newsgroups: alt.suit.att-bsdi
From: newlin@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (Johnny N.)
Subject: Re: Any 32V trade secrets revealed in Net/2?
Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network
Date: 14 Aug 92 16:14:34 GMT

dhesi@cirrus.com (Rahul Dhesi) writes:

>It's not clear what trade secrets, if any, have been revealed by the
>Net/2 and other distributions.  I think the Unix community should get
>together and figure out if there are any such trade secrets.

  I'm curious.  How is the Unix community going to figure out
  if there are any trade secrets in the Net/2 dist?  I mean,
  if they really are secrets, then how would we know they were
  secret?  After all, they are secrets, and if we knew they
  were secrets then they really wouldn't be secrets.  Or would
  they?  It's not like we are going to see something like this:

   /***************** AT&T Trade secret **********************/
     for(;;) fork();
   /***************** end AT&T Trade secret ******************/

  Anyway, this is all very interesting.  


-John

Newsgroups: alt.suit.att-bsdi
From: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen)
Subject: Re: We could blow up USL.
Organization: Sequoia Peripherals, Inc.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 22:24:42 GMT

In article <Bt5CJK.I2H@cstest.cs.vt.edu> grantham@cstest.cs.vt.edu (Brad Grantham) writes:
>
>I'd just like to voice my concern over this suit that I may never be able
>to write UNIX-like code again, because I've seen substantial portions
>of Net2...

On the other hand, I've taken the liberty of adding "Have never seen
any AT&T source code" to my resume....


-- 
Dave Eisen    dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU   Sequoia Peripherals: (415) 967-5644
          	Some of my best friends are men.
        --- Lisa Nee in "American Women Deserve a Tax Break."
Newsgroups: alt.suit.att-bsdi
From: drd@mv.mv.com (David R. Dick)
Subject: Re: UnixWorld article
Keywords: bsdi suit att usl
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:33:43 GMT

The comment was made that "we're all in trouble" if the "clean room"
requirement is made for all of us who work on operating systems.

Perhaps this is the dark side of UNIX's widespread source availability.

This is not at all unusual in the software world these days.

David Dick
Software Innovations, Inc. [the Software Moving Company]
drd@siia.mv.com
From: ken@eies2.njit.edu (Kenneth  Ng)
Newsgroups: alt.suit.att-bsdi
Subject: Re: We could blow up USL.
Date: 20 Aug 92 23:56:37 GMT
Organization: NJIT - EIES2

In article <1992Aug17.222442.6705@leland.Stanford.EDU: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen) writes:
:In article <Bt5CJK.I2H@cstest.cs.vt.edu> grantham@cstest.cs.vt.edu (Brad Grantham) writes:
:>I'd just like to voice my concern over this suit that I may never be able
:>to write UNIX-like code again, because I've seen substantial portions
:>of Net2...
:On the other hand, I've taken the liberty of adding "Have never seen
:any AT&T source code" to my resume....

Hm, do header files count?

-- 
Kenneth Ng
AT&T vs BSDI lawsuit: the dark side of the source
Newsgroups: alt.suit.att-bsdi
From: gast@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (David Gast)
Subject: Re: Effort needed to implement Unix
Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 06:01:19 GMT

Barry Shein wrote:
>>>It's a silly claim, sort of like claiming that the only way AT&T is so
>>>rich is that they must be thieves, that sort of mean-spirited thing.

I wrote:
>> Mean spirited?  How many anti-trust suits and consent decrees do you need?

Barry Shein wrote:
>What are you talking about?
>I don't need any anti-trust suits thank you.

I don't think the reference to anti-trust suits was obtuse at all.
You were speaking of AT&T and so was I.  I can't name all the suits,
but there were at least one a long time ago, one in '56 (the final
judgement), one in '84 (the modified final judgement), one with
Carterphone, at least one involving MCI, and another with Sprint.
Anyone have a complete list?

David
From: jeff@aiai.ed.ac.uk (Jeff Dalton)
Newsgroups: alt.suit.att-bsdi
Subject: Re: UnixWorld article
Date: 12 Aug 92 15:00:41 GMT
Organization: AIAI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland

In article <PHR.92Aug11224947@soda.berkeley.edu> phr@soda.berkeley.edu (Paul Rubin) writes:
>
> >On page 13, a small article stating that Larry Lytle, director of corporate
> >communications for USL, says that USL plans to demonstrate that BSDI's
> >code includes code that was not done in a 'clean room'.
>
> If that's sufficient, we're all in trouble.  No one who ever had
> access to AT&T code can be on the "clean" side of a room, and that's
> virtually everyone.
>
>A clean room guarantees (mostly) that you didn't copy code,

Not just that.  One group produces an interface spec and another
writes an implementation.  So it's a protection against more than
copying.  It's also a protection against such things as "learning how
to do it".

>just like not getting in a car guarantees you weren't driving
>over the speed limit.  Proving you didn't use a clean room is
>like proving you got in the car.  It doesn't prove you were speeding.

You know, "didn't use a clean room" does not imply "copied code".
Hence in order to show you didn't copy, you should not have to
show you used a clean room.

If code has been _copied_, it should be possible to tell by looking at
the code.  If, on the other hand, a more general "got the ideas from
us" is the basis of the suit, then the failure to use a clean room
might be significant.
From: connor@neuro.usc.edu (Sarah Jeanette Connor)
Newsgroups: alt.suit.att-bsdi
Subject: Re: We could blow up USL.
Date: 17 Aug 1992 21:47:39 -0700
Organization: Pescadero State Hospital for the Criminally Disordered
NNTP-Posting-Host: neuro.usc.edu

Some people may consider me to be a bit an extremist.  In any case, I'm
just a little curious about what it would take to terminate USL's case.

Where are USL's sites located?  How many square feet at each site?  What
kind of construction?  Are any facilities located below ground or in any
kind of hardened installation?  Where do they keep their offsite backups?
What is their security setup (perimeter infrared/motion detectors, laser
trip wires, cameras, internal access control vendor / model / installation
date, how many shifts, how many guards)?  Do they maintain any evacuation
alarm which could be used to rapidly clear all people from the buildings?

Trust me!  This is just a matter of simple idle curiosity.  Really!

Thanks, Sarah

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Newsgroups: alt.suit.att-bsdi
From: kandall@nsg.sgi.com (Michael Kandall)
Subject: Re: We could blow up USL.
Organization: Nihon Silicon Graphics, Japan
	<1992Aug20.235637.21040@njitgw.njit.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 19:11:22 GMT

>>>>> On 20 Aug 92 23:56:37 GMT, ken@eies2.njit.edu (Kenneth  Ng) said:
Kenneth> Nntp-Posting-Host: eies2.njit.edu

Kenneth> In article <1992Aug17.222442.6705@leland.Stanford.EDU: dkeisen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dave Eisen) writes:
Kenneth> :In article <Bt5CJK.I2H@cstest.cs.vt.edu> grantham@cstest.cs.vt.edu (Brad Grantham) writes:
Kenneth> :On the other hand, I've taken the liberty of adding "Have never seen
Kenneth> :any AT&T source code" to my resume....

Kenneth> Hm, do header files count?

In the case if System V, files under usr/src/head can be distributed
as part of a derivative product.  I assume earlier AT&T licenses
had similar clauses.


Mike
----

Newsgroups: alt.suit.att-bsdi
From: jwoods@adobe.com (James Woods)
Subject: Re: 1-800-ITS-UNIX
Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 20:31:33 GMT

In article <509@alden.UUCP> sgr@alden.UUCP writes:
>Does anyone know whether BSDI purchased that phone number,
>1-800-ITS-UNIX, from AT&T?  Hmmm...
>
when the suit first broke, calling 1-800-555-1212 (at&t) revealed that sprint
was the discontinued number's keeper.
during the confusion of tracking this through sprint,
an operator mistakenly broke through a "security screen" for me to reveal
that the number was originally assigned to/purchased by one uunet technologies.

after calling both uunet's 800 number and also the nouveau 1-800-4bsd (bsdi)
after hours, it becomes clear that they at least share the same
answering service.  hmmm...

--jaw
Newsgroups: alt.test
From: sharriso@sherlock.utah.univel.com (Scott Harrison)
Subject: test2.0
Organization: univel
Distribution: usa
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 17:59:00 GMT

test2.0

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| Internet: Scott@univel.COM                                                |
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From: pierreg@watson (Pierre Girard "Cerbere")
Newsgroups: alt.test
Subject: test #1
Date: 14 Aug 92 11:47:24 GMT
Organization: Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal, lab. INFO

This is the test #1.
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Newsgroups: alt.test
From: Danny.Clark@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Danny Clark)
Subject: Re: test-decwrl
Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 17:59:54 GMT

In article <9208172227.AA04378@slced1> danny@suned1.Nswses.Navy.Mil (Danny Z Clark) writes:
>test of DecWorld Internet to Usnet brige
>
>-- 
>                    Danny Clark, PHD NSWC, Port Hueneme CA
>                         danny@suned1.nswses.navy.mil
>       The Navy and I share some views, but the ones above are all mine.

This is another test
--
   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
           internet:  bbs.oit.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
From: moscar@olivea.ico.olivetti.com (Raffaele Mosca)
Newsgroups: alt.test
Subject: Test #123456
Date: 17 Aug 92 15:12:21 GMT
Organization: Olivetti, Ivrea (Italy)
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

This is a test.

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From: vemuri@informix.com (Sudhakar Vemuri)
Newsgroups: alt.test
Subject: test
Summary: test
Keywords: test
Date: 13 Aug 92 17:37:13 GMT
Organization: Informix Software, Inc.


This is only for testing my skills in article postings etc ........
This is only for testing my skills in article postings etc ........
This is only for testing my skills in article postings etc ........
This is only for testing my skills in article postings etc ........
This is only for testing my skills in article postings etc ........
This is only for testing my skills in article postings etc ........
This is only for testing my skills in article postings etc ........
This is only for testing my skills in article postings etc ........
This is only for testing my skills in article postings etc ........
This is only for testing my skills in article postings etc ........
From: dbinford@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David Binford)
Newsgroups: alt.test
Subject: Re: ignore, no reply
Date: 15 Aug 92 12:53:36 GMT
Distribution: tx
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin

In article <77758@ut-emx.uucp> dbinford@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David Binford) writes:
>In article <77757@ut-emx.uucp> dbinford@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David Binford) writes:
>>ignore ignore no reply no reply
>
>


Newsgroups: alt.test
From: elee6l3@rosie.uh.edu (Chowdury, Niladri)
Subject: test
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41    
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 15:40:00 GMT

Newsgroups: alt.test
From: laredo@cc.gatech.edu (Nathan I. Laredo)
Subject: Re: ignore, no reply, sent 8-15-92, 8:48am CST
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 92 04:44:47 GMT

In article <77762@ut-emx.uucp> dbinford@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (David Binford) writes:
>Yeah, now the posts are appearing--but what happened to the other 5 I sent?

Well this is a stab in the dark, but maybe you didn't wait long enough.

This too is a test, however.    If you're reading it, then it worked.

You know... your problem might have been that you set your distribution
to tx.   Hmm... seems to have made it here...

Nathan I. Laredo (this spot: $9) Internet: gt7080a@prism.gatech.edu 
uucp:  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt7080a
"Having had the correct view is nothing meritorious: statistically,
 it is almost inevitable..."  -- Mr. Palomar,  On biting the tongue
Newsgroups: alt.test
From: pjpichet@symmetry  (Pichette)
Subject: test from the UP
Organization: Michigan Technological University
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 12:39:34 GMT

I bet this doesn't get past the local server.
Newsgroups: alt.test
From: djs@perseus.csis.dit.csiro.au
Subject: Test for 17 Aug 1992
Organization: CSIRO Division of Information Technology
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1992 15:03:25 GMT

Posted Mon Aug 17 01:03:21 EST 1992

-- 
David.Seddon@csis.dit.csiro.au
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Newsgroups: alt.test
From: sidney@bonfire (Bill Sidney MPE 4-6324)
Subject: test
Reply-To: sidney@picard.med.ge.com
Organization: GE Medical Systems
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 92 16:44:01 GMT

this is a test

Newsgroups: alt.test
From: anonymous (Andrew Nonymous :-)
Subject: what happen ?
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 92 15:58:27 GMT

  somewhat
Newsgroups: alt.test
From: hole@netcom.com (Will Leland)
Subject: Re: Another Test
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 01:55:25 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)

Agreed.
Newsgroups: alt.test
From: vcsc2132@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Henry Yeung)
Subject: tteesstt
Originator: vcsc2132@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu
Organization: San Francisco State University
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 03:46:03 GMT


testing
testing
testing
testing
testing
testing
testing
-- 
/Henry
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!   (vcsc2132@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu)
!   (71431.2252@compuserve.com)
From: luit2@wsinfo11.info.win.tue.nl (Studenten Erik Luit)
Newsgroups: alt.test
Subject: test rj
Summary: test rj
Keywords: test rj
Date: 18 Aug 92 14:17:07 GMT
Reply-To: luit2@info.win.tue.nl

This is a test, this is only a (RJ) test.


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From: rgty_bcw@waikato.ac.nz (Brian Wharry)
Newsgroups: alt.test
Subject: Test One
Date: 13 Aug 92 16:29:08 +1200
Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand

Posted 13-Aug-1992 16:30 NZST....
Newsgroups: alt.test
From: ulli@susan.ucrc.sub.org (Ulli Linzen)
Subject: test
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 10:25:39 GMT
Organization: UCRC Munic

test
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Newsgroups: alt.test
From: burra@sparc2.cs.ttu.edu (Gangadhar Burra (EE))
Subject: h
Organization: Texas Tech University
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are those of the sender, and not
            necessarily those of Texas Tech University.
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 03:00:42 GMT
X-Posted-From: sparc2.cs.ttu.edu
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu

-- 
BTW, this isn't my account. Mr. Burra is letting me use it for a while.
I'll get my own account by the 20th. Till then, you just can't reply
to me.
--Samir Mahendra.
Newsgroups: alt.test
From: david@umbc4.umbc.edu (Dave Brookshire)
Subject: just another damned test!
Organization: Univ. of MD, Baltimore County
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 21:45:57 GMT


Hi there!
From: maehoenen@sara.cc.utu.fi (Markku A. M{h|nen)
Newsgroups: alt.test
Subject: Help!
Date: 19 Aug 92 13:30:55 GMT
Organization: University of Turku, Finland

Hello!

I would like to do a sort of practical joke to my girlfriend and I would like
all the people in the net to help me. She's having her 23rd birthday on 5th
of september and I'd like you to send her postcards all over the world.

So anyone who reads this message: please send a postcard to this address:

			Katri Lindstrom
			Yo-kyla 20 A 1
			SF-20540 TURKU
			FINLAND-EUROPE

Thanks in advance to everybody!

--------_-_---------------------------------
Markku Mahonen, University of Turku, Finland
Even a good thing isn't as good as no thing
From: beyer@telematik.informatik.uni-karlsruhe.de (Peter Beyer)
Newsgroups: alt.test
Subject: Test
Date: 20 Aug 92 15:07:06 +0100
Organization: Uni Karlsruhe
NNTP-Posting-Host: i70vca.ira.uka.de

Im testing in the rain, ...
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