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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 23:13:48 GMT

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From: andyj@unx.al.alcoa.com (Andy Jaworski)
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To: s-news@utstat.toronto.edu
Subject: Re: S and FrameMaker


Song Koh writes:
 > From: swk@mlb.semi.harris.com (Song W. Koh)
 > Subject: S and FrameMaker
 > I would like to creat a link between S and FrameMaker.  The EPS file
 > created by the postscript() driver takes over the whole page.

There is a framemaker driver in the statlib archive that is worth trying.
It produces the framemaker MML code rather than postscript, but if I
understand the problem correctly, you want to get an S figure into
the Framemaker, not necessarily an EPS S figure.

I used to have a demo Framemaker version runnning on my DecStation 5000
a year ago or so and I installed the driver.  The installation involves
building of nqpe executable but is otherwise starightforward and a detailed
Install file is includded.  The driver worked fine, although I do not
remember whether you could resize the imported plots or not.

Hope this helps,

                       --Andy


                       Andy Jaworski

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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 20:00:39 GMT

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From: feh@biostat.mc.duke.edu (Frank Harrell)
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To: s-news@utstat.toronto.edu
Subject: placement of axis labels

The default distance between axis labels and the axis line is fairly
large. I sometimes use options(mgp=c(1.5,.5,0),mar=c(5,4,1,0)).
But I get assymetric placement - numbers on the Y-axis labeling
are too far from the y-axis while the x-axis numeric labels are OK
using plot(). Has anyone had the same problem and found a remedy?

Thanks.

Frank Harrell
Duke U.
Durham NC USA
From: dsmith@algona.stats.adelaide.edu.au (Dave M. Smith)
Newsgroups: aus.stats.s
Subject: Exporting S graphics [was: S and FrameMaker]
Date: 31 Aug 92 02:27:14 GMT
Organization: Department of Statistics, University of Adelaide
In-reply-to: s-sender@utstat.toronto.edu's message of 28 Aug 92 23:13:48 GMT

I've always found the PostScript code produced by the Splus
postscript() and pscript() drivers less than satisfactory for
inclusion in other documents, LaTeX documents in particular. The best
solution I have found is to use the excellent fig() driver from
Statlib, and then use a conversion program (such as fig2dev) to
convert the resultant fig code to Encapsulated PostScript. As an added
bonus, you can also use a program such as xfig to edit the plot to
publication quality or add extra symbols (greek labels, for example)
or whatever. xfig also provides an interface to fig2dev (the `Export'
menu.) Once you have the working EPS code from fig2dev, inclusion in
LaTeX (or any other package which supports Encapsulated Postscript) is
trivial. The `psfig' macros are particularly useful for LaTeX.

Hope this helps,
Dave Smith.

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From: R.A.Rayner@massey.ac.nz (R.A. Rayner)
Subject: arima.mle goes crazy HELP!
Summary: arima.mle taking excessive amount of time
Keywords: arima.mle
Organization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand
X-Reader: NETNEWS/PC Version 2c
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 20:59:08 GMT

	We are using arima.mle in Splus and for some reason if you use it
 repeatedly after a number of runs the time it takes to work goes exponential.
Has anyone seen this happen? Any ideas ?

Richard Rayner
Maths/Stats
Massey University

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 21:07:20 GMT

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From: bates@stat.wisc.edu (Douglas M. Bates)
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Cc: swk@mlb.semi.harris.com
Subject: Re: S and FrameMaker

Song Koh writes:
 > From: swk@mlb.semi.harris.com (Song W. Koh)
 > Subject: S and FrameMaker
 > I would like to creat a link between S and FrameMaker.  The EPS file
 > created by the postscript() driver takes over the whole page.  

If you use explicit values for the "height" and "width" parameters
when invoking the postscript driver in S (I'm not sure about S-plus),
the BoundingBox comment in the file will reflect the smaller size.
Most systems that allow Encapsulated PostScript files to be imported
will adjust the overall size of the figure to the size recorded in the
BoundingBox.  For example you could use

> postscript(file="plot.eps", height = 4, width = 4, pointsize = 10)
> par(mar=c(4.1,4.1,.1,.1))	# use more of the figure region for the plot
> plot(...
> ...

then switch to LaTeX using psfig with something like

\begin{figure}
  \centerline{\psfig{figure=plot.eps,width=4in}
  \caption{Wonder figure from S}
\end{figure}

I would hope that FrameMaker would do the same.
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 13:30:06 GMT

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I am trying to use the splus function legend() to place
a legend on a simple x y plot.  I have used the optional argument
type="o" for plot to have symbols overlaid on lines in the plot.
How do I get the legend to show the same overlay? Using
legend(locator(1),leg.names,pch="*o",lty=c(1,8))
just puts the plot symbols and line types in separate columns
in the legend as 
      * --    name 1
      o - -   name 2
Thanks,
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From: heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8))
Subject: Re: IN MELBOURNE THIS WEEK!!!!
Keywords: Melbourne Scavenger Hunt Lollipops
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 07:55:00 GMT

axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:

>heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8)) writes:
> >Tomorrow (Thursday) sees the start of the annual Melbin Yewni Scav
> >Hunt - 24 hours of hunting down things, taking obscene photographs and
> >generally breaking the law into tiny pieces and sweeping it under the
> >bed.

>You crazy guys.  Is Gadget involved?

Gadget? Forgive my total and complete ignorance. There were some nice photos
of people posing with sheep though.

>Is utas the one with the 'interesting' first-year initiation rituals?
>Would you know?

Don't know. Didn't do undergraduate thingys here, I was a student of Melbin
Yewni (the original spelling, btw) first, then got sucked down the sewer to
here. For want of something better to do, I'm keeping a copy of the list for
the scav hunt on disk, I'll post it to aus.flame if anyone is interested (or
out of sheer bloody-mindedness).

Laurie (back in Hobart) 8

Laurie 8 <heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au> | Some Driveways are concrete
Theoretical Chemistry PhD student        | Some Driveways have bricks
University of Tasmania, Australia        | Other Driveways
Unashamed 70s man, glad to be glam.      | Have Pebble-Mix - Laurie 8         
Opinions expressed above are those not only of Laurie 8, but the whole world
From: Ender@csc.canberra.edu.au (Ender)
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: I want to complain !
Date: 3 Sep 92 04:32:09 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: Under protest


but you already know that !
Ender.
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8))
Subject: IN MELBOURNE THIS WEEK!!!!
Summary: There is really nothing about lollipops
Keywords: Melbourne Scavenger Hunt Lollipops
Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 05:29:57 GMT

The date is 26th August, by the way.

Greetings flamers,

            Laurie 8 is in Melbourne this week! Mainly hanging about at
Melbourne Uni and eating all the decent food you can't get on that island
I tend to live on.

      The big announcement though is the Scavenger Hunt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Tomorrow (Thursday) sees the start of the annual Melbin Yewni Scav
Hunt - 24 hours of hunting down things, taking obscene photographs and
generally breaking the law into tiny pieces and sweeping it under the
bed.

      It is not too late to get a team together if you are interested. This
year's Scav Hunt is a tad different, in that a lot of it was written by
the sick imagination that is Laurie 8! If you want to come along, join up
on Thursday before noon - if you aren't game but want a few good laughs
(and a chance to meet Laurie 8 in the flesh) the judging starts at noon
Friday on the concrete lawns, Melbourne University.

Laurie 8

Laurie 8 <heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au> | Some Driveways are concrete
Theoretical Chemistry PhD student        | Some Driveways have bricks
University of Tasmania, Australia        | Other Driveways
Unashamed 70s man, glad to be glam.      | Have Pebble-Mix - Laurie 8         
Opinions expressed above are those not only of Laurie 8, but the whole world
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Re: New directions but same old boredom
Organization: University of Canberra, Camaroon
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 22:38:21 GMT

brent@currawong.bhs.mq.edu.au (Brent Curtis) writes:

>[Bullshit detector signals "High"]
>
>Sure, Chris. I've seen your postings is this grope before. You're a nice,
>sensitive boy. Hardly the sort to be keen on a flame war. Thus your first
>sentence is nonsense.

Careful Brent, this guys ex UTS, and... proud of it!  It also seems that his
killfile must have a 'if UTS not in from address then ignore' statement(if 
only one could do that). 

>I wouldn't know about the rest of the article. I got really bored really
>quickly. You've been in a bank too long, my friend! Do you wear suits? 
>Have you got an expensive car? These are all symptoms of personality loss.
>I'm a bit jealous, though. I look good in suits. Others probably say I 
>need the personality loss.

I wouldn't say that Brent!

act@csc.canberra.edu.au       ceteris paribus
Look Once...         .-)      
   Look TwEyece..    .-) .-)       
      Half See...    .-)         
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: jimbo@mhs.oz.au (James Davidson)
Subject: Ho hum.
Organization: Message Handling Systems
Distribution: aus
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 05:08:34 GMT


I received several helpful responses to my enquiry on aus.aarnet from 
the USENET community.  They followed the convention of e-mailing their
answers to me, so as to not clog up the newsgroup with answers that most
people knew already.  

You are the only person who posted a reply onto the net, and your post
was of no use to anybody.  Serious net users are not interested in
the juvenile outbursts of petty ego trippers like yourself.


Thank you for your concern,

Jimbo.


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From: act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Re: IN MELBOURNE THIS WEEK!!!!
Summary: There is really nothing about lollipops
Keywords: Melbourne Scavenger Hunt Lollipops
Organization: University of Canberra, Camaroon
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 22:43:05 GMT

heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8)) writes:
>The date is 26th August, by the way.

>      The big announcement though is the Scavenger Hunt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bet there's one thing missing from the ScAvenger List(No not the beard hird),
but the best thing about Melbourne which is the road north!

act@csc.canberra.edu.au       Eye t'ought Eye taw a putty tat.
Look Once...         .-)      
   Look TwEyece..    .-) .-)       
      Half See...    .-)         
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From: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair)
Subject: Re: Any job wanted
Reply-To: axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
Organization: University of Technology, Sydney
Date:  2 Sep 92 07:34:44 GMT

HCHA8904593X@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (PERRETT, ANDREW) writes:
 >I have previously been engaged as a Store Assistant (trolley boy), Musical
 >Instrument Sales, Demolishion Work, and Night Packing. I also can touch type at
 >a speed of approximatly 60wpm, Can use Word Perfect 20/20, and have a working
 >knowledge of Paradox, Lotus and C++. I know IBM computers back to front and am
 >presently working through a degree part time having studied logic, history and
 >philosophy. 

THERE'S HOPE FOR ME YET.


--
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 $@0N0G(J $@?<9HNn(J
From: u2119784@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Country Dullards
Date: 3 Sep 92 17:20:58 +1000
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <1992Sep2.133731.17591@lugb.latrobe.edu.au>, HISC9016351D@LUST2.LATROBE.EDU.AU (MAMMONE,Robert) writes:
> In article <1992Aug27.195337.2950@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> u2119784@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
> 
>>Obviously from that post you are just another ignorant inner-city
>>bastard who thinks that anything outside the normally accepted 
>>metropoles is something for the kids to look at on their way to 
>>Aunty Dots. Albury is a vibrant potpourri of Anglo-Saxon culture...
>>At least it is compared to Canberra... 
> 
> Is someone out there actually defending that Gomorra of a place, 
> Albury?  Let me tell you something, simpleton, Albury is a hive of
> iniquitous backstabbing cunts who glorify in rutting their own progeny
> as an excuse for normal behaviour.  All people who defend that town,
> that aborted child of the failed Whitlam government are not only
> necrophiliacs, represent a hell rank with lunch-cutting faggots who go
>  around rutting where they're not to meant to be.
> I say this to all people in Albury: one day, one wonderful day, Albury
> will sink into the very bowels of hell and burn, burn, burn, and on that
> day, I will dance a jig of joy that will last forever.  So, Lord of the
> Arse-Bandits, what have you got to say about that?

Err... I think you're full of shit... 
          
> Hmmm?  P.S. if you know Anthony Hoffman, he can burn, burn, burn as well.

I think you're getting it mixed up with Griffith.

Graham the Happy Scum.

"I like beer, I like cheese, I like the smell of a westerly breeze"
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: Ender@csc.canberra.edu.au (Ender)
Subject: Re: Stats for August
Organization: Under protest
Distribution: aus
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 92 03:13:36 GMT

In article <act.422.0@csc.canberra.edu.au> act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops) writes:

>Yeah, Take the lead singer, ram a spike from arth to mouse and stick him on
>a spit.

I doubt that even Laurie 8 would deny that Meat-loaf was/is not
in the possesion of any musical talent/taste/whatever. Ugggh !

Ender.
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: u2119784@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Make it aus.culture.springdale.heights
Date: 2 Sep 92 09:21:56 GMT
Distribution: aus
Organization: University of New South Wales

In article <axolotl.715320058@syzygy>, axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au (Iain Sinclair) writes:
> u2119784@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
>  >Obviously from that post you are just another ignorant inner-city
>  >bastard
> 
> Like yourself.  You posted from UNSW, didn't you?  There are people who

Ahem... I am in exile from Albury cos I wouldn't participate in the annual
sheep-buggering festival.

> consider Kensington to be inner-city.  It does, after all, have a glamorous
> nightclub(s), and several thousand university student tragi-comic
> wank-offs.

I don't... it doesn't have heaps of old warehouses that balding UTS
staff live in... or UNSW staff for that matter... altho' it is the locale
of Mekong Asian Supermarket...
Albury's more inner-city than Kensington...

> 
>  >as for the night life, I might post an article about how to
>  >waste a night in Albury in aus.culture.ultimo. 
> 
> I think not, unless you want terse letters to your admin about newsgroup
> harassment.  You wouldn't want your sole, umbilical link with perceptive
> discourse to be severed, would you?

not really, but as this is the newsgroup for harrassment, I doubt that
that really matters...
 
> As you know, a.c.u is for discussion of inner-city culture, which does
> not include rural wastelands like Canberra and Albury.  However, if you
> wish to voice your support for the creation of aus.culture.dungog,

Erm... sorry to disappoint you, but that is central west NSW, and as such
doesn't really qualify as covering Albury and Canberra. As the majority
of Albury lies within the city centre, and that Albury is a City in the 
local goverment sense, it makes sense for articles about Albury to be posted
in a.c.u - in fact, a few weeks ago, a reference to the westie suburb of 
Albury (actually its north, but who cares) , the loverly Springdale Heights
was made in a.c.u., giving it the contempt it deserved...
I suggest alt.culture.springdale.heights

> for discussion of life and culture in remote country areas (Canberra
> again excluded), you will soon have the chance.  Just don't unsubscribe to
> aus.news.
>  Iain Sinclair    axolotl@socs.uts.edu.au
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^Hmmm... weren't you the old National Party Leader?
no, the Iain is spelt differently... oh well...  

Graham the Happy Scum

"We bought a yellow towtruck, to drive round and round our neighbourhood"

Finger Me! Finger Me! Finger Me!
Newsgroups: aus.flame
From: act@csc.canberra.edu.au (Cyclops)
Subject: Re: Stats for August
Organization: University of Canberra, Camaroon
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 92 01:09:28 GMT

heard@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (George Heard (Laurie 8)) writes:

>Meatloaf was one of this generation's finest artistes. Who can deny that
>"Bat Out of Hell" was one of the finest things the 70s had to offer? What
>Meatloaf did was to bring the "heavy ballad" into existance, with the
>touching bombastic "Two out of Three Ain't Bad". This form of sweet sensation
>was quickly taken up by Alice Cooper, with the excellent hits "Are You Gonna
>See Me Now?" and "Only Women Bleed".

George, George(obvious reference to childhood poetry omitted) mEye respect 
for your Glen A Baker qualities has suffered a catastrophic setback.  
"Heavy" ballad is certainly appropriate when you remember the Momma Cassian 
like appearance of whatisname. Of course "Only Women Bleed' is a lie; Eye 
bled red tears at even -2^bignumber db's of that banned impinging on my 
delicate pinkies.



>Unfortunately, Meatloaf's career was cut short, just as he was rumoured to
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 -Unf +F
>be cutting a new album, a sequel to "Bat out Of Hell" called "Bat out of
>Hell II".

By then it was too late, my former spouse(a Meatloaf maniac), had added to 
her formeriety by playing their vinyl in my presence.

BTW for your memoribilious file, and if you watched Glenn A's appearance on 
that Bourke of a degradening(dyslexia & negation intended) program, then you 
will understand why Eye call my workroom at home the Glenn A Baker room - 
much to my current, and final, wifes chagrine.

act@csc.canberra.edu.au       ceteris paribus
Look Once...         .-)      
   Look TwEyece..    .-) .-)       
      Half See...    .-)
From: dac@prolix.pub.uu.oz.au (David Andrew Clayton)
Newsgroups: aus.flame
Subject: Re: New directions...
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1992 11:01:32 GMT
Organization: More like Dis~, really.
X-Newsreader: Arn V1.00 beta rel2

In article <axolotl.715316540@syzygy>, Iain Sinclair writes:

> once per two months at most.  After all, if one is mailed about problems
> too often, it just shows that people are unappreciative of all the hard
> work that you're doing.  Are they suggesting that you devote valuable
> minutes of underpaid admin time, merely so THEY can get productive work
> done?  Those selfish fucks.  Fuck them.

Poor little Iain, stuck in a quagmire of his own insignificance.

Hey, if you borrowed someone else's account, maybe your
administrators wouldn't treat you with the contempt that
despicable cretins like you so richly deserve.

That you have the ability to post articles at all, is a sin
against the universe.  That you complain when your 'god given
right' is taken away, is just asking for divine intervention of
the most ego-squelching kind.

Please, continue to amuse the readership of aus.flame (such that
it is) with your dashing tales of derring-don't, and your flaccid
opinionated drivel.  Nobody doubts that you have to be allowed to
let off steam in a socially acceptable manner.  I just wish
you'd send your articles to somewhere that would appreciate the
gesture - fer instance misc.test or /dev/null

> This may sound one-sided, but I acknowledge the existence of competent
> and scrupulous admins ... like there are competent and scrupulous
> politicians.  However, let's not name names!

As wimp-ridden as ever!

Go on, name your administrator, Iain. I'm sure that he/she would
be most interested to read your asinine polemic.

Dac
--
p.s.

>  $@0N0G(J $@?<9HNn(J  

Yep, I guess that means heaps.

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