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From: cbekar@fraser.sfu.ca (Clifford Bekar)
Subject: Nigel Findley
Summary: Nigels writtings
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 00:50:45 GMT

Nigel Findley lives up here in Vancouver B.C. and writes
primarliy in the Shadow Run mythos--though he seems to have
his hand in many projects (including, once upon a time, AD&D).

I have had the pleasure of being involved in some of his
"home brewed" scenarios fo SR and AD&D and can only say that
if WEG lands him as a source book/adventure author TORG will
be better off for it.  Just check out the SR source books he
penned, quality stuff.

Cliff Bekar
Simon Fraser University
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From: bpostow@edvac.oberlin.edu (Brian Postow)
Subject: Re: Reality Bomb Plot!
Organization: Oberlin College Computer Science
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Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 02:12:33 GMT
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we're still in the middle of an adventure that started out that way,
and we STILL don't know what exactly went on... [amnesia plot...]

arrggg, and i have to wait until the middle of december to find out!!!
ack

--
Brian Postow :: The Pasta Knight 
			 	    |"Is the glass half full or empty
pessimist, existentialist,	    |	I ask her as I fill it"
advanced murphologist 		    |"It doesn't really matter, 
"pessismism for a better tomorrow"  |	Pretty soon your bound to spill it"
				    |	the Indigo Girls
From: jmkaraka@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN MARTIN KARAKASH)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re: Homosexuality in the Nile
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:30:00 GMT
Reply-To: jmkaraka@eos.ncsu.edu (JOHN MARTIN KARAKASH)
Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos
Originator: jmkaraka@c00070-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu



	I have to agree that homesexuals CAN exist in the Nile, but as the
social conventions are much more solid in the Nile and closely mimic pulp
fiction, any such activity is firmly 'in the closet'.  As a side point, 
adventures in the NE should emulate pulp fiction as closely as the GM can
manage so such occurances probably wouldn't even come up in a game session.

     -john 'oooh, that's at trick one, yes it is' karakash-
From: gdavis@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Grant R. Davis)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: FYI
Date: 4 Oct 92 18:20:35 GMT
Reply-To: gdavis@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Grant R. Davis)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: gdavis@donald.cc.utexas.edu

I figured that if the energy stored by stopping the earth's rotation
(that is, the amount of physical energy needed to become Torg) were made
into a weapon, the Damage Value would be 142 (maybe 137).
I was thinking about destroying a Darkness Device, and this was one of the
ideas I had. I'm only posting because things are slow (like, nonexistent).

The Grant Man
gdavis@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

"This is good[beer]. Remind me to take this world."-Lost Destiny


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From: tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Deus Imperator)
Subject: Re: Homosexuality in the Nile
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 15:50:35 GMT

In article <1anp8sINNpa7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> axg20@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashwath Ganesan) writes:
>I'm gonna put a big ol' bullseye on my chest and say:
>
>No, the Nile Empire has no homosexuality?  Why?  I mean, they existed
>in the '30s right?  Well, the only reason the NE is IN the 30's is because
>it fits the pulp fiction era.  And if the pulp fiction is the driving
>force of the Nile Empire, then nothing that isn't supported by 
>pulp fiction should have an easy time fitting in there.  Thus, they
>wouldn't have it.  You could consider it being a contradiction of the
>Law of Morality... and before you get the flamethrowers.  Remember, the
>NE Law of Morality is very restricting... good and evil, no grey...
>so it's not /accurate/... it just is. 
>
>Then again, if someone can name pulp fiction that had homosexuality in it...
>I'll gladly eat my words.
>
>
Better make that printout...

You're forgetting the granddaddy of all film noir, an upscale branch of "pulp"
The Maltese Falcon.  It has all the elements of pulp (Black and white 
hard blioled detective, femme fatal, germans, goons, people staggering into
detective offices riddled with bullets, whose last words are so vague we
never figure what they mean.  One of the characters, played in the movie by
Peter Lorre, was very much coded as homosexual.  They also allude Sydney 
Greenstreet may also be.  I mean, c'mon, Bridget hangs out with these guys,
and NOBODY tries anything...sheesh.


-- 
I don't mind being the smartest	    / Thanatos, DeathUrge, Master of Unknown
man in the world...I just wish it   \ Time and Space tgt33358@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
wasn't this one...	       	    / "No, I don't know how much unknown is... 
	-Ozymandias 		    \	...THAT'S THE POINT!"
From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re: Thratchen news
Date: 6 Oct 92 02:56:26 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
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In article <1992Oct5.211231.6501@zia.aoc.nrao.edu> jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:
>Thratchen is not going to be heard from until around the time IU2
>comes out - guess he must be busy sucking up to Jezeral.

	So _that's_ the new romance in line for Jez.... ;-)

-- 
Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
albert@bcm.tmc.edu			Baylor College of Medicine
Voice: 713-798-7352			standard disclaimers apply
Sky fits heaven, so ride it.  		Remote has button, so MUTE it.
From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re: Alone...
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:30:19 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <mumble> aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink) writes:

>	"...and He did look down upon the mountain of defeated villans
>and infrequent posters, and laugh.  And then He did look to the sky,
>and sneer, for one villan still escapes him.  The blasphemer, the Grant
>Man, yet lives.  The Grant Man has not yet been beaten into submission
>with His bare hands; the Grant Man has not yet felt the power of the 
>Dogs of War.
>	"'Grant Man,' He did exclaim. 'You are next.  So swears
>MAJOR HAVOC!!!!!!!!'"
>
>	From the Book of Havoc, p7853, #22-30
>
>	Cry HAVOC, and UNleash the DOGS of WAAAAR!!!
>		-Major Havoc

	"...slowly lowering his binoculars, Kansas Jim surveyed the
scene; atop a huge mountain of bodies, a lone figure screamed into the
night sky.  'What is he ranting about?' Jim wondered."




-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)                               /|
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)           o| |-
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."                              /|\\|
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From: oakes@nmt.edu (David Oakes)
Subject: Re: Cosms 'R' Us (minor reference to Re: FYI)
Organization: New Mexico Tech
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1992 20:36:35 GMT

In article <1asoqfINNrl6@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:
>
>	I hate to say it, but the Toon cosm came out in in last April's
>Infiniverse, and rumor has it that the Toon cosm will be one of the 
>pocket dimensions attaching to Earth in times to come.
>-- 
>Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
>albert@bcm.tmc.edu			Baylor College of Medicine
>Voice: 713-798-7352			standard disclaimers apply
>Sky fits heaven, so ride it.  		Remote has button, so MUTE it.

[gee, my first post (directly) to alt.torg <sniff> I want my mailing list!!!]

(sorry, just over emotional.  like the sig rick)

yes, sadly the TOON cosm was in the april Iverse.
i say sadly not because my version is now moot,
but because they were not serious at all about it,
and i feel this will be the case when it returns 
as a subcosm of earth, in whatever that book will be

i love WB and all the rest, and cartoons are a valid genre.
there is a certain common feel to them, which does not require ink and paint
(though in the case of MTVs LT-Dogboy, they should have...)

since they aint going to be appreciated anywhere else
(if even here)
i post my (rough) rules for a cartoon cosm:

WL
1 - law of karma - what goes around comes around
(basically a floating modifier, det by GM, for your actions.
 if you have a bad attitude, it gets you.  intentional harm is BAD)
(ie, if hes a genius, why does the coyote ALWAYS fail? -
 answer - he wants to eat the bird, and the cosm gets him for it)
(why he keeps doing it is his own problem...)
2 - law of toon - basically the catch-all for toon abilities
(four cosm specific skills - have object and be there (toon physics),
 resist damage and maleable form (toon physiology)  self evident)
3 - law of unpredictability - THERE IS NO LAW THREE!
(actually, this is to simulate many genres under one cosm,
 and to keep people on their toes - comedy is spontaneous!)
(PCs can choose a specific WL from another cosm, GM approval,
 or just let the GM do as he wish...)
(my favorite - LoGIJoe - any attack on a PC or NPC is at +10 diff to hit,
 and -10 damage.  attack on inanimate objects are +3/+3)

axioms (very rough)
tech - 0 (you think any of those cartoon machines could REALLY work?)
social 27(?) (i forget the actual number, one less than "evil contained")
magic/spiritual - one is 33, the other 17+
(this is the basis for the toon's abilities, in addition to WL -
 i like a high magic, since magic = randomness in my TORG,
 but the spirit is so high that EVERYTHING is alive in some sense:
 the backgrounds, objects, everything.  this fact allows even trees
 and bullets to be tricked/manuevered/etc, and for them to do unto you...)

i'll post more complete rules if any one cares
(and yes jim, i know you really really dont care -
 be quiet or i post rex the wonder dog and the occultist weasel...)

dave "<mute> ... ... ...!" oakes
From: pjk39593@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jud Kenney)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: convention torg sessions...
Summary: wanting address for official information
Keywords: conventions, torg
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:28:14 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

I am trying to get information on how to run an offically sanctioned TORG 
event at a convention...  I saw the information posted here last week, but 
didn't save it, and now (of course) the opportunity has arisen...

Can someone repost the information?
-- 
The opinions stated here are my own, and not endorsed by or supported by
the University of Illinois.

pjk39593@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu			Jud Kenney, Student-at-Large
From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re: Reconnection
Date: 6 Oct 92 23:26:29 GMT
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM

In article <mumble> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes:

>	The official word from WEG is that, if you disconnect in round play
>(i.e. combat), you can attempt to reconnect once a round.  OTherwise, 
>you can only attempt to reconnect once per scene.
>
>	I don't like that, as there doesn't seem to be a rationale for it.
>What I do is, you can make an attempt to reconnect the next round, and
>if you fail, you cannot try again for the value of how much you missed by.
>(so if you missed the reco. roll by N, which tranlates to 90 on the value
>chart, you can't reconnect for 90 seconds (or 9 rounds).  

That was how I ran it but it got damn complicated when several people
were disconnected at the same time ("Jim, how many rounds has it been
since I disconnected?"  "Yeah, how many since I disconnected?").  On
top of that, unless it is a 4-case contradiction (where there's a
penalty added to the reconnect value) it still makes reconnection a
trivial manner in most cases - you're almost never going to have to
spend more than a few minutes disconnected (which means the Ayslish
wasting disease is a worthless limitation except for Ords).

I prefer the new ruling from WEG.  If you disconnect during round play
and don't reconnect by the end of round play, you have to wait for the
next scene (nice GMs may let you try once more that scene) to try.  If
the next scene doesn't happen to take place immediately afterwards, it
could actually be a problem instead of an inconvenience to be
disconnected.

-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)                               /|
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)           o| |-
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."                              /|\\|
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: REVIEW: "Out of Nippon"
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:31:44 GMT

In article <mumble> lavonius@plootu.Helsinki.FI (Ville Lavonius) writes:

>   I wasn't able to find any other TORG credits for Nigel but he did
>   write "Pawns: The Opening Move" for WotC, which (unabashed plug again)
>   I get co-credit in for the TORG conversion notes.  
>
>Hmm. I vagueky remember some hardware guide is written by him. Heavy Weapons ?

Whoops - that'll teach me not to look at everything in my TORG set!

Nigel is credited with "Design" for both weapons catalogs and the land
vehicles catalog.

-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)                               /|
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)           o| |-
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."                              /|\\|
From: usenet@transfer.stratus.com (Mr. Network News)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re: Homosexuality in the Nile
Date: 5 Oct 92 22:13:45 GMT
Reply-To: Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com
Organization: Dave_Wetzel

In article <1992Oct5.174849.1246@muddcs.claremont.edu> 
tbrowne@jarthur.claremont.edu (T. Erik Browne) writes:
> In article <2801128484@dwetzel.mis.stratus.com> 
Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com 
> I'm sorry, Dave, but I didn't see any homophobia in Ashwath's article.  I
> believe he made a legitimate point that if '30s pulp fiction didn't 
support
> the existance of homosexuals within the genre, then there is little 
chance
> that homosexuality exists in the NE.  Also as he said, if people can show
> examples of homosexuals in pulp fiction, then his argument goes out the
> window (I believe others have shown some).
> 
> Dave, there are some real a**holes out there, but I don't think Ashwath 
is
> one of them.  Take a breather and then re-read his article in a new 
light.
> And don't be so quick to flame.

Well, I can't re-read the earlier post (my mailer is primative: barely 
Tech 23), but I'm always willing to admit I might be wrong.  If I am I 
offer my sincere appology.

I still don't see how you can say an action can't exist because it no-one 
wrote about it in pulp novels.  No one wrote about bowel movements either, 
but presumably they occur.

If the axioms permit and there are no world laws that contradict then the 
action is possible.  And again, the law of morality doesn't prohbit any 
action, at best it seperates actions into good and evil categories.  And 
the soc axiom is far too high to claim that homosexuality can't exist.

--------------
Dave_Wetzel@vos.stratus.com
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: Thratchen news
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 21:12:31 GMT

Infiniverse Update #2 will probably be out next summer, though that's
just my guess.

Since they're holding Thratchen until then, I get the impression that
Thratchen is not going to be heard from until around the time IU2
comes out - guess he must be busy sucking up to Jezeral.


-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)                               /|
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)           o| |-
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."                              /|\\|
From: corleyj@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Jason D Corley )
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re: On the campaign trail
Summary: Gaunt Man For President
Date: 3 Oct 92 01:14:17 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ

INDONESIA (Untied Press International)--
	Today, in an unprecendented move, the ruler of
Orrorsh, the "horror realm" that invaded here several
years ago, announced that he would enter the campaign
for President of the United States.  "The Gaunt Man"
as he is affectionately called in this part of the
world, stated in an internationally televised press
conference that only he "possessed the administrative
and mysterious powers to bring America out of her shadows
and into the new world order".
	When this reporter asked why the Gaunt Man's
popularity rating fell short of even Ross Perot, he
became irate: "Never call me short!  Especially not next
to that putrescent big-eared slab of mortal flesh!"
	This reporter did not see the rest of the news
conference.  We suggest other reporters post their articles
here.
	---Jason Corley
	   Ace Reporter, Southern Arizona Weekly Times-Star-Herald
(Thanks to the person who untied me so I could write this article.)
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From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re: Cosms 'R' Us (minor reference to Re: FYI)
Date: 6 Oct 1992 19:18:39 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
NNTP-Posting-Host: chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu


	I hate to say it, but the Toon cosm came out in in last April's
Infiniverse, and rumor has it that the Toon cosm will be one of the 
pocket dimensions attaching to Earth in times to come.
-- 
Rick Jones				Systems Support Center
albert@bcm.tmc.edu			Baylor College of Medicine
Voice: 713-798-7352			standard disclaimers apply
Sky fits heaven, so ride it.  		Remote has button, so MUTE it.
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: We're not popular!
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 23:40:19 GMT

In article <mumble> bfbear@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins) writes:

>tbrowne@jarthur.claremont.edu (T. Erik Browne) writes:

>> Come on, people, let's get on the ball.  Post that
>> message you were thinking about posting.  Ask that question, write that
>> adventure idea, discuss that sourcebook.  Heck, if it's interesting,
>
>I -DID- only to have them die...
>
>anyone remember the "how to kill an obnoxious (and powerful) party member"
>question?
>or the rather bizzarre question about Lorbatt sexuality?
>
>(don't think anyone did,as they got no response/s...

No, can't say I remember seeing them.

I won't touch the subject of Lorbatt sexuality, but if you really want
to kill someone, get them down to zero Possibilities, drop them in a
Pure Zone that is most hostile towards them (magician in the Living
Land, etc) and then just throw some big, nasty thing at them that they
now have no chance of defeating....

Or you could just cheat ("The Demon Prince rolled a 97 and did
eighteen wounds to you - I think you're dead because you're also
Confused and that Opponent Fails card can't help you now.")

-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)                               /|
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)           o| |-
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."                              /|\\|
From: jgl2p@landau5.phys.Virginia.EDU (Joseph G. Louderback)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Re: We're not popular!
Date: 5 Oct 92 21:37:01 GMT
Reply-To: jgl2p@landau5.phys.Virginia.EDU (Joseph G. Louderback)
Organization: University of Virginia

In article <1992Oct4.234019.5732@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>,
jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes:

|> I won't touch the subject of Lorbatt sexuality, but if you really
want
|> to kill someone, get them down to zero Possibilities, drop them in a
|> Pure Zone that is most hostile towards them (magician in the Living
|> Land, etc) and then just throw some big, nasty thing at them that
they
|> now have no chance of defeating....

Even this is not foolproof, however.  True, Alain was just in an
Orrorsh
dominant zone, but with neither P-pts, nor cards, she gave Victor Man-
waring a rude surprise.  That was fun.  I didn't even disconnect on
that
one.

joe louderback, AKA Alain Mirandor, Mistress of a Thousand Disconnects.
                                      (which is why she's with AT&T)
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From: jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim))
Subject: Re: FYI
Organization: National Radio Astronomy Observatory, Socorro NM
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 23:44:00 GMT

In article <mumble> gdavis@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Grant R. Davis) writes:

>I figured that if the energy stored by stopping the earth's rotation
>(that is, the amount of physical energy needed to become Torg) were made
>into a weapon, the Damage Value would be 142 (maybe 137).
>I was thinking about destroying a Darkness Device, and this was one of the
>ideas I had. I'm only posting because things are slow (like, nonexistent).

And even that isn't enough to harm a Darkness Device!

Let's see, you put a dyson sphere around a star, absorb and store all
the energy it ever produces during its entire lifetime, then channel
that into an attack...might be able to damage a Darkness Device that
way.

Of course, first we need to find a cosm with Tech 33 so we can build
the darn thing....



-- 
Kansas Jim (Jim Ogle, TORG guru)                               /|
jogle@aoc.nrao.edu (NRAO-VLBA, Socorro New Mexico)           o| |-
"I'd be apathetic if I cared."                              /|\\|
From: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Newsgroups: alt.games.torg
Subject: Hell on Earth
Date: 2 Oct 92 00:18:19 GMT
Reply-To: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu (Joshua Henry Geurink)
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX
Originator: aodn307@bongo.cc.utexas.edu


	You guys want an adventure?  Any of you at GENCON?  Any of you
play Hell on Earth?  I was, I did, I won, and I got to take the adventure.
Here's a brief synopsis:
	A Tharkold race occulttechie accidentally brought a walking-god version
of the Tharkoldu god of death to LA.  The Knights, to save the city, must
stop it.  They have two options:
	1)  Build a mythic weapon capable of decimating the monster, or...
	2)  Find the occulttechie and discover a way to send the creature back
where it came from.  While a titch more difficult (see: Elven movie producers,
vampiric street gangs, and apocalyptic Nile villans), its a lot more fun!

	Using the first method, the parties only real opposition is a totally
insane rogue alpha techo-demon, a few flying nasties, and the god of death
itself.  Gung ho types (My Lorbatt warrior included) go for this method--
the second method really emphasizes (gasp!) roleplaying.
	Any interested parties should E-Mail me and I'll fill in little details
(like cost.  I'm not a rich man and this is a full scale adventure.  I gotta
pay for copies, ya know?) then.
	Also, pardon the mess of this posting, but I've successfully prevented
this article from entering hyperspace at that cost. (Man, I gotta find a new
ternminal!

			Until  Mobius dines on Baruk stew,
				King Rat signing off!!

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