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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 20:06:35 GMT
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Subject: Don't miss 'em: best disc movies of 1992

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Subject: Don't miss 'em: best disc movies of 1992

Discicular Fortitude.  Mystery and intrigue abound during the 1993 World 
Championships, held in the Bermuda Triangle.   Strange happenings include teams 
arriving on time for the tournament, a pyscho passive observer's switching of a 
sharp-edged disc for the game disc, and the loss of a player to a sinkhole at 
game point.

Schmooisers.  A former Ultimate great relives his college dreams of winning 
Nationals.  Starring Paul Newman as Indiana Upstate coach Eric Simon and Peter 
Lourie as his protege.  

Old Hucker.  The touching tale of a three-legged dog who leads his canine team 
to the disc-catching championship.  Starring Guido as Old Hucker.

Blame it on Donuts, starring Arnold Schwartznagler as Pablo Martinez, Eric 
Roberts as Raphael Savir, and Ricky Schroeder as Gary Bernard.  Three recently 
divorced masters players try their luck on the islands; unbeknownst to the 
others, each falls in love with New York New York's first woman player, Freda 
Merkle (played by Rosanne).

Debbie Does Disc.  Fun in the sun with Debbie.  Debbie adds her own twists to 
Cooperative disc, Goalintimate, Sensual Sevens and Chests (similar to "Guts").
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From: jal41820@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Smiley)
Subject: Madison
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1992 22:41:03 GMT


Can someone please e-mail me directions for getting to Madison? I'm not
near my team (and therefore can't photo copy directions), and don't have
phone numbers. The one person's e-mail address I know prolly has left
by now. I'll be coming from the Milwaukee direction. Thanks.

(btw, I know how to get to Madison, I mean more specifically the 
playing fields.  :)

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From: Frank Revi <71551.2461@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: DBMS key

I propose the following as a key strategy:  an eleven digit number
composed of D.O.B.(4 digits: mmdd) + 1st 5 digit SSN + 2 digit sequencer.

I stick with the partial SSN because it is the easiest to remember, is not
fuzzy (as all alphabetic items are), and is the most stable.  If we use
just some of the digits, the fact that it's actually part of someone's
legal SSN becomes nothing more than a mnemonic.  Plus, if someone doesn't
want to give out any part of their SSN, they can give any 5 digit number
they choose and simply pay again when they forget it and can't be found in
the database as they sign up at some tournament site.  This option would
be printed on the roster.

The sequencer could be used in the case of duplication (highly unlikely is
my guess) or as an administrative code indicating the person entering the
information, the location, etc., and could be completely internal, i.e.
need not even be known to the member.

The costs of this key are 1) the added information required on rosters,
i.e. spokestypes will have to get DOB along with SSN1-5, and space will
have to be added to the roster form, and the added administrative burden
of typing in a more complex and longer number;  2) it will be more obvious
that it's very easy to cheat on college eligibility by giving a new set of
numbers every time you join (the actual ease will be the same, just the
obviousness will increase);  and 3)  My guess is we would have more
problems than if we used pure SSN just due to the marginal increase in
complexity.

These costs would I think be outweighed by the philosophical advantages of
using the SSN per se.

Perhaps someone with DBMS design and use experience would care to dispute
this last conjecture, and any other comments are welcome as well.

Frank Revi
UPA MIS chair

PS Scientific American has an interesting article ("Achieving
Electronic Privacy", Aug. '92) about a new way to preserve ID privacy and
effectiveness through encryption and microchips. Points up that this is
not a trivial issue to solve effectively....
From: stu@voodoo.boeing.com (Stuart Liddle)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Masters/Travelling
Date: 13 Aug 92 20:02:55 GMT
Reply-To: stu@voodoo.boeing.com
Organization: BoGART System Gadgets

In article <344@biosys.apldbio.COM>, hal@biosys.apldbio.com (Hal Beilan) writes:
|> Also, relating to the travelling discussion: Is it legal to catch the disc 
|> just outside the end zone, take your three steps over the goal line and 
|> count it as a score?

------------>   NO, sorry, momentum can't be used as a scoring aid.  If your
                momentum carries you into the endzone, you must establish your
                pivot foot outside the endzone and throw it to someone in the
                endzone.

-- 
________________________________________ "In most states you can get a driver's
Stuart Liddle      (206) 865-6559 (wk)  \ license when you're 16, which made a
BoGART Project     stu@voodoo.boeing.com \ lot of sense to me when I was 16
Boeing Comp. Svcs..uunet!bcstec!voodoo!stu\ but now seems insane." - Dave Barry
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From: hultquis@wk206.nas.nasa.gov (Jeff P. M. Hultquist)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Re: Worlds in Australia, Not!
Date: 18 Aug 92 13:56:35 GMT
Reply-To: hultquis@nas.nasa.gov
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center, CA USA


In article <daemon.92Aug18032758@is.morgan.com> mauricec@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Maurice Cinquini) writes:
>
>   On Mon, 17 Aug 1992 14:20:48 GM davidb@is.morgan.com (David Birnbaum) says:
>   > ... Neither team is used to the heat, and the folks
>   > from the Southern Hemisphere have to deal with playing worlds in the
>   > middle of their off-season!  Perhaps a WFDF '93 Worlds bid from
>   > Queensland....?
>
>   Australia has no intention of hosting a World Championships in the
>   forseeable future.  If so few countries can afford to go to Japan,
>   then who will come down under?

And, of course, there is the added difficulty that 
in the Southern Hemisphere, the disk rotates in the
opposite direction.   :-)

--
Jeff Hultquist				hultquis@nas.nasa.gov
NASA - Ames Research Center		(415) 604-4970
From: mshaler@noah.sps.mot.com
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Subject: SUBSCRIBE

Please include me in the Ultimate Frisbee mailing list.  See you at worlds.

Best wishes...

Michael Shaler
Nippon Motorola Ltd.
Tokyo Design Center
voice:  +81 3 3280-8761
fax:    +81 3 3440-0033
e-mail: mshaler@noah.sps.mot.com

From: Eric Simon <70540.1522@CompuServe.COM>
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From: rjg@doe.carleton.ca (Richard Griffith)
Subject: 1993 Canadian Nationals, Canadian email addresses wanted
Organization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University
Distribution: can
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1992 14:39:01 GMT


Canadian Nationals 1993

As part of the organizational effort for next years nationals we would like
to use email where possible to communicate with teams in other cities.
If you are in a city other than Ottawa, have an email account and are
willing to forward email in hardcopy form to national team members or
local disc organization types please email me. 

I would like your email address, full name, and a statement of your connections
with local national level teams (i.e. do you play on one, how closely you
are related to someone who playes on a team, or are you a member of the
local disc organization). Please list you connections to all of the local
National level teams you are aware of.

Our first organizatinal meeting in the 31st of August. I will see if I can
get a copy of the proposal okayed at this years nationals to send to
everyone at that time. We expect to do most of the organization over the
fall and winter and have full player information out by early spring (April).

Thankyou.
Richard Griffith.

From: Eric.Simon@f120.n109.z1.fidonet.org (Eric Simon)
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Subject: D.C. Gender Blender
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 13:17:04 -0500

ES>Hello Disc Players,
ES> I got Eric Simons latest mailing yesterday and I noticed that the
ES>annual D.C. Gender Blender wasn't mentioned.  Is the co-ed Hat Tourney in
ES>Philadelphia in place of the D.C. gig or has an oversight been made

No, there is no Labor Day-Gender Blender this year . . .

But thank you for the compliment.  The Gender Blender, in the past, has
shared three attributes:
1) It was incredibly fun, with 200+ people
2) It was over Labor Day Weekend
3) It coincided with the M.A. captains meeting

The problem, this year, was that the captains meeting was early (August
2), which we combined with the record breaking Ultimate Marathon (50+
hours).  This, in effect, *WAS* our Gender Blender for the summer
(although it we didn't call it that.  But it *did* share attributes
#1 and #3)

The Philly co-ed Hat Tourney is not an intentional 'replacement' of the
DC Gender Blender (not that I know of, at least), but, rather, a welcome
addition to the fun tourneys we have out here in the M.A.

The D.C. Gender Blender, I hope, will re-appear Labor Day 1993.

 * SLMR 2.1a * Hit any user to continue
From: jp@moscom.UUCP (Jim Palmeri)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Excellence in disc sports
Date: 12 Aug 92 16:36:15 GMT
Reply-To: jp@moscom.com (Jim Palmeri)
Organization: Moscom Corp., Pittsford, NY

Harvey Brandt has become the first person to win both the U.S. Open 
overall flying disc championship and the Seniors World Flying Disc
Championship overall in the same year.  For that matter, in any year.

He is also the only person to have won all three major overall
championships, since he is a past winner of the World Flying Disc
Federation Championship overall. (WFDF).

All he has to do now is to win the PDGA championship to have a win 
in each of the big four.  But as good as he is at overall play, it
will be very tough to nail down the PDGA championship.  Those PDGA
golfers are absolute masters at their game, and aren't about to lose
to even the very best overall players.

Harvey got his disc start in the mid seventies where he joined the 
Rochester Institute of Technology ultimate team.  He was a basic 
third stringer who got playing time only when RIT was either 
winning or losing big. 

But he stuck at it and honed his skills a little at a time, branching
out into disc golf, freestyle and DDC.  He snuck up on everyone,
transforming himself from the skinny little weakling who even I
could beat in any event, to a formidable disc player who took a
back seat to no one.  He gave notice in 1980 by winning the WFC
DDC title, followed up by winning the SCF event at the 1982 WFC,
and closing out the eighties by placing in the top ten in the U.S.
Open overall every year, including a second place one of those years,
and a fourth place finish the year after he nearly got killed in a 
terrible auto crash.

Then came the nineties, Harvey turned 35, qualifying for seniors
play.  He promptly won a couple of senior worlds, added in a WFDF
title, and now the U.S. Open title.  He is like a fine wine, just
getting better with age.

So, hats off to Harvey Brandt, a great all around disc player,
including a stint of some high powered ultimate with the Cornell 
team. (That tidbit for the predominate ultimate crowd in this
newsgroup).
-- 
Jim P.   (jp@moscom.com)
From: mags@wsl.dec.com (John Magdziarz)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Davis Evening Tournament This Friday & Sat !
Date: 20 Aug 92 18:47:04 GMT
Reply-To: mags@wsl.dec.com (John Magdziarz)
Distribution: ba
Organization: DEC  Western Software Lab

Aug. 21st & 22nd at Davis.  
Contact Steve Joy
(916) 752-4152 W
(916) 795-4570 H

Space available to put up players needing a place to stay on Friday.

-- 
John Magdziarz                                     mags@wsl.pa.dec.com
DEC Western Software Lab., Palo Alto, California.  .....!decwrl!mags
"I know it's really ugly but it's only a buck."
776 days and still no natural disasters on my block.
From: Eric Simon <70540.1522@CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: Japan over Finland !?

Hey David (and anyone else in Japan)

How did Finland take the loss to Japan.  I mean, isn't that an incredible
upset?  Finland took third in Oslo, and, I thought, is generally regarded
as one of the strongest (besides Sweden) teams outside of the US.

--  Eric

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1992 19:08:35 GMT
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Subject: Re: rules thought

>>What if the thrower [picking up a turnover in the endzone s/he is
>>attacking] threw it out of the endzone, backwards, onto the field of
>>play?  Is that legal?  Or must he put the disc into play on the field
>>of play *proper?*  -Raphael

I think the disc must be put into play on the playing field proper, i.e.
you must walk it back to the line.  The disc should not be IN PLAY, but
rather LIVE (i.e. subject to turnover but not advance in any direction),
until the thrower establishes a pivot foot in the playing field proper. 
This makes the most sense to me.  Do you agree?  -Frank


>>What if i catch the disc in the endzone and stupidly pass it again, out
>>of the endzone, backwards, onto the field of play?  Doesn't that pass
>>count? Isn't it  complete?  If i throw for a score, then it counts,
>>even though i didn't back out of the endzone.  If i throw incomplete,
>>it's a turnover, even though i was in the endzone.  -Raphael

As it stands now, I think you are correct, such a pass would count whether
complete or not, although I believe the rules only say that if it's
thrown away it's a turn (leaving your scenario in question).  The next
question is how exactly we handle the situation in the 10th edition; I
think I'd favor wording which maintains the outcome of a pass after a
score, i.e. the disc would be IN PLAY (subject to advance in any direction
and to turnover) until the receiver acknowledges s/he has scored.  Do you
agree?  -Frank



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From: guin@mars.senecac.on.ca
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Subject: Northeast Tournament:  Toronto HAT Tourney

I am having trouble sending messages to the ultimate bulletin board ... 
(But I guess I can still contact you for some reason)

I would appreciate it if you could send this on -  Thanks very much

**************************************************************************
Re:  Northeastern Tournament:  Toronto HAT Tournament
**************************************************************************
I have been scrambling for fields and have finally acquired some a few miles
north of the city.  Consequently the date has been pushed forward to the 
August 29/30 weekend to allow people time to realize that it exists.

What is "it" ??

"THAT"'s what (Toronto HAT Tournament)

Whats THAT ?	A Co-ed Tournament where teams are decided by pulling
		names out of a Hat on the first morning of the tourney.
		(This makes for a great way to meet new people and 
		have a great time playing disc with a whole new gaggle
		of frisbee hounds)

When's THAT ?	On the weekend of August 29/30

Where's THAT ?	Toronto ... (Map can be sent on this network if you
		are keen)

Who can Play ?	Absolutely anyone who values SOTG
		 There will
		 probably be 3 "hat"s 	Men (Gods)
		 to keep things		Women 
		 even:			Men (Still struggling for divinity) 

		 Note to those with dogs:  Sorry... the fields are located
		 on bird sanctuary property.  Canines are strictly prohibited.

What do I do ?	Call or send a message on this network ASAP
		(I think my account here will expire on Aug. 24) 
		Tell your friends and neighbours. 

		(I would appreciate it if any out of towners on the
		network could spread the word around their local
		leagues - ie. OTTAWA, BUFFALO, ROCHESTER, MONTREAL, ALBANY etc.)

Note:  Since this is the first time this has been tried here, we don't 
	have too accurate an idea of numbers.  So ... could anyone who
	is interested (particularly if you have scraped together a few
	other interested parties) try to let me know.

	I will also try to organize a few billets if possible.

Absolute confirmation will follow here once ample response has been attained.
(Hopefully this should not be a problem)

- Cheers
		Ran Guin  EMAIL: mx%"guin@mars.senecac.on.ca" (til ~ Aug. 24) 

Contacts: 	input(registration,suggestions):  Ran Guin  (416) 234-9548

		output(inquiries): (@ work)	  Keith Archer (416) 928-2424 

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From: mauricec@tplrd.tpl.oz.au (Maurice Cinquini)
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Subject: Toronto HAT Tournament is on August 29/30

I am posting the following message on behalf of Ran Guin who is having
trouble sending messages to this newsgroup/mailing list, sorry if
you've already seen this message before and PLEASE note Ran's real
return address below!  I am in Australia and can't help you with any
more details of this tournament.

-- Maurice

**************************************************************************
Re:  Northeastern Tournament:  Toronto HAT Tournament
**************************************************************************
I have been scrambling for fields and have finally acquired some a few miles
north of the city.  Consequently the date has been pushed forward to the 
August 29/30 weekend to allow people time to realize that it exists.

What is "it" ??

"THAT"'s what (Toronto HAT Tournament)

Whats THAT ?	A Co-ed Tournament where teams are decided by pulling
		names out of a Hat on the first morning of the tourney.
		(This makes for a great way to meet new people and 
		have a great time playing disc with a whole new gaggle
		of frisbee hounds)

When's THAT ?	On the weekend of August 29/30

Where's THAT ?	Toronto ... (Map can be sent on this network if you
		are keen)

Who can Play ?	Absolutely anyone who values SOTG
		 There will
		 probably be 3 "hat"s 	Men (Gods)
		 to keep things		Women 
		 even:			Men (Still struggling for divinity) 

		 Note to those with dogs:  Sorry... the fields are located
		 on bird sanctuary property.  Canines are strictly prohibited.

What do I do ?	Call or send a message on this network ASAP
		(I think my account here will expire on Aug. 24) 
		Tell your friends and neighbours. 

		(I would appreciate it if any out of towners on the
		network could spread the word around their local
		leagues - ie. OTTAWA, BUFFALO, ROCHESTER, MONTREAL, ALBANY etc.)

Note:  Since this is the first time this has been tried here, we don't 
	have too accurate an idea of numbers.  So ... could anyone who
	is interested (particularly if you have scraped together a few
	other interested parties) try to let me know.

	I will also try to organize a few billets if possible.

Absolute confirmation will follow here once ample response has been attained.
(Hopefully this should not be a problem)

- Cheers
		Ran Guin  EMAIL: mx%"guin@mars.senecac.on.ca" (til ~ Aug. 24) 

Contacts: 	input(registration,suggestions):  Ran Guin  (416) 234-9548

		output(inquiries): (@ work)	  Keith Archer (416) 928-2424 

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From: robinson@EE.Stanford.EDU (Heyward G. Robinson)
Subject: Worlds Results
Organization: Stanford University
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 92 16:44:23 GMT

I just got back from Japan on an unexpectedly early plane because of a
knee injury suffered while playing against Canada.  I got to see most
of the weeks games before I left and thought that I would post the
interesting results.  

The open semifinals were set before I left.  Sweden will play Japan
and the USA will play Canada in a rematch of their 17-16 round-robin
thriller.  Canada beat Japan 19-14 on Friday to clinch the third spot.
The Canadian's height was a big advantage in this game.  The USA
finished second by coming from behind to beat Finland, 21-18.  The
Swedes are in cruise control and will be very difficult to beat.  In
crushing the USA in pool play, they made only one turnover in the
first half in jumping to an 11-2 halftime lead.  The USA has been
struggling with its offense, which isn't too surprising since the team
had never played together before last Monday.  

The women's final will feature Sweden vs Japan.  The Swedes look very
strong, but the Japanese have improved dramatically and will make them
run.  

The USA master's team has had little competition in its three team,
triple round robin.

The Japanese put on a great tournament.  It is too bad that it was so
far away and expensive that many teams did not show up.  

Has anyone heard the results of the semis and finals?

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From: colin@agincourt.bsd.uchicago.edu (& Garrett)
Subject: Re: Madison Results?
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 18:35:50 GMT

I only have minimal Madison results, but if you're hungry:
Women's: Seven teams played round-robin (four games Saturday, two Sunday).   
Nemesis (Chicago) beat Ozone (Atlanta) at the cap 13 - 12 on Saturday in a  
hard-fought game.  I don't think Ozone had any other losses in pool play.   
Nemesis lost to Ann Arbor in their last round-robin game on Sunday, but  
then regrouped for the final against Ozone to defeat them 13 to 10.

Open: Four pools of five teams (well, one or two pools were short a team.)   
Let's see, Windy City and Buddha Boys (Minneapolis) were one and two in  
one pool, and Chain Lightning and Dover in another.  I assume Gimme 5 Bux  
won their pool.  Gimme 5 Bux beat Dover in what was reported to be an  
excellent semi-final game, though 5 Bux started the game with only 8  
players and finished with seven.  I'm not sure who Windy City beat in the  
other semis; probably Buddha.
Even though by winning the semis 5 Bux had already qualified for the  
Quervo championships (because City had already qualified for Boston by  
winning St. Louis in the spring), playing with only 7 they gave City an  
excellent game, staying within 3 most of the game.
Sorry I don't have more details.
From: ben@banzai.cc.columbia.edu (Ben Fried)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.disc
Subject: Northeast Region Tournaments/Captains' Meeting?
Date: 20 Aug 92 14:40:57 GMT
Reply-To: ben@banzai.cc.columbia.edu (Ben Fried)
Organization: Central Park Ultimate

As a player in the Northeast region, I'm getting concerned about the
dearth of tournament announcements and the lack of a regional captain's
meeting (at least none to date).  Does anyone know what's going on?

Ben
--
Benjamin Fried
ben@columbia.edu					rutgers!columbia!ben
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