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From: robert_walton@NeXT.COM (Robert Walton)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AMT Automag II
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:21:02 GMT
Article-I.D.: rosie.5362


I owned the 3.x inch and 4.x inch versions for a couple of years.  They  
were fun to shoot (lots of bang and flash), and pretty accurate, but not  
very reliable.  I only used Winchester factory ammo in them, but once  
every fifty rounds or so I'd get a stovepipe or other jam, especially as  
powder built up in the chamber.  Another problem was that after awhile the  
slide release would work it's way out and cause a malfunction.

Sold them both earlier this year.  I bought mine new in Florida a couple  
of years back for $225 from a dealer at a gun show, btw.
From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: lead kits and positive tests
Date: 10 Oct 92 13:39:42 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

In article <9210091437.AA00455@nrambr.chem.duke.edu> clochmul@nrambr.chem.duke.edu (C. H. Lochmuller) writes:
#If someone will send me the name of the manufactuer of the test kit, I will
#post a list of interfering metals if any. 

Here you go:

Verify (tm)  
LeadTest (tm)

Sims Marketing
23 North Gore Avenue
Suite 002
St. Louis, Mo  63119-2300

The name (Sims) and address are on a sticker on the box.  Under the
sticker it says:

Verify, Inc.
1185 Chess Drive, Suite 202
Foster City, California  94404

This implies to me that either 1) Sims has bought up Verify, or 2) They
are marketing the product to OSH and others and want THEIR name on the box!

Thanks for finding out what metals interfere, if any.

#I would be surprised to find much
#detectable lead on new Brass casses.

Notice that I DID NOT test new brass casses only!  I tested new brass
on factory assembled cartridges.  It may well be that the manufacturing 
process, using lead primers and jacketed lead bullets, allows a few ppm 
of lead contamination to get on the brass.  Many jacketed bullets I've
seen have a bare lead bottom (or a bare lead nose ...).  5ppm isn't much.

#If there is lead, the gloves you wear for reloading should be used. 

Should be used for what?  (You use gloves when reloading?...)

#If you
#are this concerned, watch out cleaning your battery termianls readying the
#car for winter. 

Doing what?  Hey, I live in California, we don't get ready for winter,
we pray for rain ;-)  

#The white stuff on the studs is a lot more dangerous.

I'm very careful with lead salts ... but we really don't get ready 
for winter, there isn't anything to do... Check the thermostat on 
the hot tub?  Stock up the wine cellar? ;-)  

-- 

E. Michael Smith  ems@apple.COM

'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it.  Boldness has
 genius, power and magic in it.'  -  Goethe

I am not responsible nor is anyone else.  Everything is disclaimed.
From: cramer@optilink.com (Clayton Cramer)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Citizenship
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:21:05 GMT
Article-I.D.: optilink.12691
Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA


In article <1992Oct7.123336.16606@icd.ab.com>, kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) writes:
# C08926RC@WUVMD.Wustl.Edu (Rob) writes:
# The question's pretty much been answered on a federal level, but
# in Missouri, you must be a US citizen to get a handgun purchase
# permit.
# 
# One of the local rags wrote had a story on this last year - they
# wanted to see how easy it was to buy a handgun and sent a reporter
# to get the permit.  However, he was born in another country (to
# American parents), but never became a US citizen.  They turned him
# down.
# 
# 	This seems odd...  I was under the impression that a person
# 	born to US parents was automatically a US citizen,regardless
# 	of place of birth.  As I understand it, no naturalization
# 	would be required.

There's a form you have to fill out with the embassy or consulate.
Someone must have screwed up.

That's one journalist who will never be President.
-- 
Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!
Lesson learned from Gov. Wilson's signing of AB 2601: if you don't get 
your way, have a riot.  Next time, Gov. Wilson will cower appropriately.
From: jaf@a2.cim.cdc.com (James Foster x2197)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Removing the bolt on a Marlin 336
Date: 17 Oct 92 00:14:36 GMT
Article-I.D.: a2.9210161709.AA27469

While cleaning my 336 after trying some reloads, I started
wondering if there was an easy way to remove the bolt for
cleaning from the breech.  I've always cleaned from the
muzzel and, though careful, still worry about damaging the
crown.

So my questions are: Is there a simple way to just remove the
bolt (some of the receiver screws in that area look like they
might just be stops)?  How difficult is it to strip the action 
and what is the correct procedure?

Thanks,

Jim
From: bellcore!bae.bae.bellcore.com!wind@uunet.UU.NET (Wind Chen)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Window shopping in Amsterdam, Netherlands.
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:15:35 GMT
Organization: Bell Communications Research

I will be in Utrecht/Amsterdam area next week, could someone please
tell me some gun places that I can window shopping and kill time?

Thanks in advance.
__________________________________________________________________
Wind Y. Chen                   |      eMail: wind@bae.bellcore.com
_______________________________|__________________________________
From: SAPX@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Rifled Muskets
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:42:45 GMT

Michael Gordon posted a question about shooting the Italian repro
of the Springfield musket--- The American Rifleman did a test on
these couple of years ago. I think the best they could do was 8"
at 100 yds. Seems the trigger pull was something awful and the
rear site was mounted askew. I've shot one or two of these and
their not bad, but usually you have to fiddle with the locks and
sites a bit to get things"O.K."--- Rifled muskets can be very
accurate. My 1858 Parker-Hale Enfield is but the recoil is a bear.
Do you have your own mould? Casting 600 gr. minies takes a little
practise. The lead has to be REAL soft to take those skimpy grooves.
65 to 75 gr. of powder should do it.Any commercial minie lube should
work but I use 1/4 bees wax to 3/4 crisco--- Be careful and good
luck.
From: cain@silverblue.fac.cs.cmu.edu (Sebastian Nightingale Cain)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: AIIIIIiiEEEE!! Scratched my new SIG226!!
Date: 12 Oct 92 19:23:56 GMT
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

AAAaaaaaaaaieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee - damndamndamn. Picked up a brand new  
SIG226 KKote on Friday, went to the range on Sunday.  Man - this baby is a  
dream.  Given the choice between my Glock 21 and the Sig - sorry Glock.   
This is probably THE finest pistol I have ever had the pleasure of using.
Well, anyway, stupid me stood a little to close to the table my SIG was on  
while firing my Glock21, and wouldn't you know it, an empty landed rim  
down on the trigger guard, removing the KKote finish right down to the  
bare metal. AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH. :-(  'Course , when I  
looked at it closely, it looked like the size of crater lake,well, maybe  
not quite that bad, but still..... To anyone who is considering a SIG -  
buy it - you won't regret it.  :-)

S.Cain
From: mosbrook@beach.csulb.edu (Brent Mosbrook)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: DCM Activities in S. Cal.
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:55:53 GMT
Organization: Cal State Long Beach

Check some of the local gun shops (B&B in Westminster) for flyers for the Lake
Elsinore Sportsmans Association.  They hold DCM shoots every month, I got my
Garand a year ago, after waiting a year.  Nice range, good staff.. MISERABLE
heat in the summer :)

-- 
+--------------------------------------+
|  Brent Mosbrook    KC6MWK            |
|         mosbrook@beach.csulb.edu     |
+--------------------------------------+
From: lairdb@crash.cts.com
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Glock adoption
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:56:23 GMT
Organization: "Well, a head on top, an arm on each side, two legs...."

In <1992Oct5.184326.15014@ohsu.edu> kozowski@ohsu.EDU (Eric Kozowski) writes:
#In article <1992Oct3.003922.5337@latcs1.lat.oz.au> jd@latcs1.lat.oz.au (John  
#Dimogotsis) writes:
## 
## 	Has the Glock been adopted by any large organization, police-force or
## military?

#It was adopted by the Portland, OR PD acouple of years ago (2?), but they are  
#now in the process of getting rid of them. They have had nothing but problems  
#with them.

1)  Does "getting rid of" mean selling at surplus prices?
2)  Do you know what the "problems" were?


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From: mailrus!gatech!fisher.eedsp.gatech.edu!tucker@uunet.UU.NET (Jeff Tucker)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Glock Experience
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:56:25 GMT
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology

I had an experience with Glock last week that I thought I would relate to
the net.  Sure is a lot of bad stuff flying around about them and this is
a favorable note.  I'm not affiliated with them in any way.

Last week, I decided to put the New York trigger spring in my Glock 22.
This is a result of the almost unanimous net opinion that the standard
spring is too light for carry.  Since I just received Peter Alan Kasler's
book (great book, too) I decided I might tear into the gun and do the work
myself.  And, since I have the good fortune to live in Smyrna, GA I
thought I'd call the factory and ask if I could get the spring from them.

I called the Glock factory and asked if I could come by and buy a NY
spring.  They said sure, if I came by they would give me one for free.
This was obviously pleasing.  Then, after I inquired about their hours,
the service person told me that he would save me the trip and drop one
in the mail for me.  And sure enough, it was in my mailbox the next day.

Before I got off the phone, though, I asked about the "upgrade" that
they are doing on the older Glocks.  He said that they could do it for
me any time if I just dropped by.  So, the next day I went exploring
and found Glock, Inc.

When I arrived, I asked the guy about my front sight, a Meprolight that
I had put in myself.  It had worked loose, probably because Super Glue
is not a LocTite replacement.  Anyway, the screw hadn't fit and I had
to grind off part of the head.  He said he knew that the early screws that
were shipped were no good and they had some of the good screws from
Meprolight.  He offered to put in a new screw and properly LocTite it
for me, as well as put in the "upgrade" and the NY trigger spring.
And, they did all that for free, test-fired it, and had it waiting when
I got back from the 10 min. oil change place.

I was very pleased with the friendliness and the fact that everything
(even the sight which is entirely my fault) was done gratis.  Maybe
every gun company is that friendly, but most other industries are not.
I hope that even people who don't live in Smyrna can get the same great
service.

Jeff
-- 
---------------------------
Jeff Tucker                         N9HZQ, EMT-A
tucker@eedsp.gatech.edu             Graduate Student, Electrical Engineering
May all your throws be bulls!       Georgia Institute of Technology

[MODERATOR:  Good report, Jeff, thanks for posting.]
From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: more silencer questions
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:22:12 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct6.203858.28428
Organization: The Instrumentality

In article <9210061636.AA01386@nuc.Utah.univel.COM> Thi_Huynh@univel.COM (Thi Huynh) writes:

#Modern precision silencers do not "wipe" the bullet.  Hence the wipeless
#term.

Do modern silencers reduce the muzzle velocity of the bullet?


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Peter Cash   |       (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein)      |cash@convex.com
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From: kunz@avalon.physik.unizh.ch (kunz peter)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: 9mm: Which *not* to buy?
Date: 13 Oct 92 13:19:02 GMT
Organization: Informatik Club Uni Zurich

In article <1992Oct2.235658.1031@megatek.com> cjp@megatek.com (Chris "Systems Stud" Pikus) writes:
#
#	2. Why are you fiddling around with RamLine magazines? Sig makes
#FACTORY 20 round magazines. Magazines are an important enough part of
#the gun not to risk using substitutes.
#
i had one of thos ram line mags. fell apart rather quickly, can't even
remember emtptying it once. has been lying around in pieces ever since.
what has to be said about the 20 rounders is that it sticks out the
bottom of the grip, which is a nono in IPSC.

cu
-pete



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From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Children and toy guns...
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:54:04 GMT
Organization: Twilight Zone

In article <9210011512.AA25586@outmail.microsoft.com> davidst@microsoft.com (David Steckler) writes:
#My wife is a 2nd grade teacher at a rural school. Apparently, last weekend
#some kids (aged 5, 7, and 8) "accidently" broke one of the school's windows
#while playing ball on the school grounds. Since the window was already
#broken, they decided to go in and explore, setting off the school's (silent)
#alarm. The police arrived and, in the darkened hallways, one child (the 7
#year old) was brandishing a toy cap gun. According to the cop, he came within
#1/4 second of shooting when the boy turned and (unknowingly) pointed the gun
#at the cop. Self-restraint on the officer's part, however, saved the boy's
#life.
	
	Personally, think this kid's parents should be publicly flogged
	and shamed beyond immediate recovery.  In this age of police
	paranoia and shoot first ask questions later mentality, that
	child is lucky to be alive and unhurt.

	Perhaps this belongs in t.p.g but I think this is a perfect example
	of why firearms education is so damned important.  Not only for the
	kids, but for the parents as well.  Who'd lay money against the odds
	that this child's parents are a couple of firearms ignoramii?  I
	didn't think so...

	Had the parents been well versed in firearms safety, I'd bet dollars
	to donuts that little Johnny would never have been allowed to leave 
	home with the toy gun.  Perhaps he would not have even have been
	allowed to have them in the first place; an even better idea.

	-Andy V.

[MODERATOR:  Much of the debate about toy guns should go over in
t.p.g., but I've left some of this here since I would like us to 
focus on the education aspects (not legislative), in which safety
is clearly in our charter.]
From: rat!fuji.vlsiphx!jking@uunet.UU.NET (Jay King)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: A bunch of 223 reloading questions
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:20:59 GMT
Article-I.D.: vlsisj.1992Oct8.225604.13010
Organization: VLSI Technology, Inc.

In article 22852@pbhyg.PacBell.COM, smmyers@pbhyg.pacbell.com (Sean M. Myers) writes:
#
# 
#     I have recently been pondering whether I should try and get a Federal
#Firearms License.  I'm getting tired of paying *huge* markups for my rifles
#and pistols.  Not to mention powder.  Can anyone in the California area
#help me out here?  Like, where should I call ? How much $$$ ?  What kind of
#training is required ?
#
#
#     Thanks for your help.
#
#
#Sean Myers    



It's not the cost so much as the hassle.  The FFL only costs
$10 per year in three year terms. So - $30.  But, the state 
and local athorities have access to the ATF list of FFL's and
will insist that you get the necessary resale tax licenses and
comply with any other regulations they have.  At least this is
the case in Arizona and I can't imagine it will be any better
in California.

If you intend to load or reload ammo, we`re talking environmental
impact statments!  I kid you not!!  I had to fill one out for the
Feds and in CA I'll bet there's one for the state.  And if you
plan to use new brass I think there's an Excise Tax number to
obtain and yearly tax statments to file.

And then there are the inspections and the record keeping.  I "WISH"
there had been some sort of training involved, but once you get
your license you get to decipher the regulations *on!your!own!* and if
you screw-up or misunderstand and you get inspected (very infrequent
but it's bound to happen eventually) you will get a *citation*.  And
then you will get to go to court and if you get a hard-ass judge you
will get to go to jail.

So far I've been smart or lucky or something, but every time my license
comes up for renewal, I have to wonder if it's worth the hassle!  One 
of these days it won't be.


JK
From: watt-alan@net.yale.edu (Alan Watt)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Carrying around country
Date: 8 Oct 92 17:42:47 GMT
Article-I.D.: news.1992Oct8.134440.18163
Organization: Yale University, Computing & Information Systems


In article <RTARAZ.92Oct7110857@bigwpi.WPI.EDU>, rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
|> Hi all,
|> 
|> I was thinking of taking a trip accross country on my motorcycle this
|> summer and would feel much better if I had my Taurus PT92 with me.
|> I have a Connecticut carry permit.  Can I get a temporary national
|> (federal) permit?

No.

|> If not, how can I carry it without getting into trouble?

You can't.

Carrying a weapon on a motorcycle out of your home state is
asking for trouble.  Most especially since you can't leave Connecticut
without entering either New York, Massachussetts, or Rhode Island.

You will enjoy your trip better if you don't have to visit any jails.
-- 
  Alan S. Watt
  Yale University			Computing and Information Systems
  Box 2112 Yale Station			(203) 432-6602
  New Haven, CT  06520-2112		Watt-Alan@Yale.Edu
From: gwyn@smoke.brl.mil (Doug Gwyn)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: Handgun Ammunition Debate   (Marshall's Cooked Books)
Date: 8 Oct 92 21:55:51 GMT
Organization: U.S. Army Ballistic Research Lab, APG MD.


In article <1992Oct4.171225.10691@henson.cc.wwu.edu> n9020351@henson.cc.wwu.edu (James Douglas Del-Vecchio) writes:
#a)	one shot failure to stop,
#b)	one shot stop
#c)	multi shot failure to stop
#d)	multi shot stop
#However, as c is obviously as bad, or worse than a, one must
#include c.  b given as a percentage of (a+b+c) would certainly
#be a more realistic "stopping percentage" than merely using (a+b).

NO!  There is no way to tell how many of the (d) cases should have
been counted as case (b) and in any event every case (d) constitutes
a "stop", just not the same kind of stop as (b).

Basically, information is missing that cannot be reconstructed just
by playing with the given data.  Also, one needs to establish a
clear, rational criterion for what constitutes a "stop".  Marshall
tried his best using one method, but unless one agrees totally with
the criterion actually used the results have to be considered biased
by the use of that criterion.
From: cower@csli.stanford.edu (Richard Cower)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: AR-15 accuracy
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:15:21 GMT
Organization: CSLI, Stanford University


This months Precision Shooting has a good article on improving the 
accuracy of the AR-15. An interesting, quick fix is to tighten up
the fit between the lower and upper - run some masking/duct tape
where the surfaces meet or do something with the pin that holds them
together. Another easy one is to remove the sling. These are things
anyone can do. The other stuff mentioned is not something for the casual 
Mr./Ms. Fixit.

I think saw something in an earlier issue addressing this topic as
well. 

...rich
From: d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: How civilian buy gun in Europe?
Date: 15 Oct 92 12:16:26 GMT
Organization: Chalmers Tekniska Lekskola, G|teborg, G|taland


In article <1992Oct14.155728.16581@walter.bellcore.com> bellcore!bae.bae.bellcore.com!wind@uunet.UU.NET (Wind Chen) writes:
#I am trying to find out how civilian buy gun in European country 
#as well as the gun law.

  This post includes, for completeness sake, more than the ways of civilian
gun ownership.

  The gun laws in Sweden requires every civilian possessing a a gun to have a 
licence to do so. This licence is issued by the local police department for
the individual weapon. It includes certain demands on how the gun is stored.
It is theoretically possible to get a licence for a full-auto weapon but it
will never happen.

1. If you are a reserve officer in the Swedish armed forces you get to borrow a
   service weapon which is totally outside police jurisdiction (including
   ignoring storage requirements) and the police will give you licence for
   additional weapons (within limits, I think full auto weapons are out) as a
   matter of course.

2. If you are a member of the Swedish home guard, you will get a military
   weapon of some sort (G3, m/45B SMG or Mauser m/96) which is totally outside
   police jurisdiction (including ignoring storage requirements) and the police
   will probably be kindly disposed towards additional licences.

3. If you are a hunter (there are requirements to be met in the areas of
   accuracy, theory and ownership (either directly or through some sort
   of timesharing system) of an area on which to hunt) you will get a licence
   for a small number of hunting firearms. I think that pump-shotguns and
   semi-auto rifles are out.

4. If you are an 'expert marksman' (membership in a club, and high accuracy 
   required) you can, if the club cosigns the application, get a licence for
   the gun you use in competitions. This is a hard way, because not many
   clubs accept new members, and most of them have internal rules about 
   requirements for cosigning.

   Number 1 and 2 above is of course only open to citizens (but Sweden is 
 among the easiest countries of becomming a citizen in, ask a certain
 presidential candidate about that:) but I'm pretty certain that only 
 residence is required for 3 and 4.

   The number of 'recreation riflemen' nationwide is above 100000, the
 homeguard numbers about the same, and I don't know for hunters and officers
 in the reserve. All of this on a population of just 8Megs and with strict
 gun laws:) But there are ofcourse a large overlap between all of the 
 categories above.

#Wind Y. Chen                   |      eMail: wind@bae.bellcore.com

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From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf)
Newsgroups: rec.guns
Subject: Re: States Granting Nonresident CCWs?
Date: 8 Oct 92 00:52:43 GMT
Organization: Indiana University

In article <1992Oct7.001535.114@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:
#Several posters have indicated that some states grant CCW permits to
#nonresidents? Which states do this and how does one get these permits?
#I'd love to have a CCW permit from each of these states!

I have a non-resident license from Pennsylvania. The requirement there
is that you have a license in your state of residence (Indiana). You 
can then apply at any Sheriff's Dept. in the state. Be forewarned,
Sheriff Depts. vary in quality. I called the Delaware Co. SO which
was said you had to have business in the co. (not true); I went to
the Montgomery Co. SO and a real *asshole* clerk named McManus refused
to even give me an application (contrary to law, they can deny you
for cause, but can't refuse to let you apply, the cost for forcing
the case would have been prohibitive). I then tried the Chester Co. SO
who practically rolled out the red carpet, the deputy on duty chatted
with me as I filled out the application and it was mailed to my Indiana
address within 5 days. 

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