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From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.sustainable.agriculture
Subject: malthus
Distribution: world
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 92 00:39:33 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <1992Nov3.202804.28805@nstn.ns.ca> dc_ags@ac.nsac.ns.ca writes:

 > In article <1d5gr5INNs2h@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bj368@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
 > (Mike E. Romano) writes:
 >  
 > >..and I have seen a decrease in
 > > positive visions, positive solutions and an increase in
 > > criticizing which is lately turning into smear at all levels.
 > > Except in academic circles, and there the biggest problem
 > > is perhaps over specialization:  to study biology one ends
 > > up specializing in how many different sub specialties....
 > > biotech, molecular, micro, etc.
 >  
 > This is the natural result of an evolving science. As our knowledge in any
 > given area increases, students are faced with an increasing amount of
 > subject matter. At the undergraduate level, however, the courses tend to
 > concentrate on the meat of the subject. Agriculture is a multi-faceted 
 > discipline. Students of agriculture must be familiar with a broad range
 > of topics, including biology. For example, chemistry, mathematics, plant
 > and animal physiology, weed science, mycology, entomology, microbiology,
 > economics, engineering, ag. mechanization and soil science were all topics
 > I was required to study. I am not sure how one would be able to decrease 
 > the science without seriously impairing the overall effect of the program.
 > Perhaps you can make some suggestions

A question arises here concerning the matter of funding priorities. I
do appreciate the nature of the academic phenomenon referred to as the
"knowledge explosion", but one could argue that this has come about
through a relatively unlimited allocation of resources to answering
every conceivable question which ever arose in the mind of every
scholar, rather than as a "natural result of an evolving science".

One might ask also whether such questions arise from the asking of
other questions in cloistered academic debate, or whether they arise
from the analysis of empirical data. The opportunity for the former
to arise is ever-present; whether they are relevant to anything, or
whether their pursuit is rather indicative of a lack of intellectual
discipline, are quite other matters.

Perhaps knowing what is relevant, what is useful and important, as
informed by the ongoing consultation with real people facing real
problems out there in the real world for which a fresh, innovative
and wholly inquisitive US academe was once renowned and respected,
would alter the situation somewhat.


--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
   * * Sustainable Community Development & Environmental Education * *
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
From: blblam@napier.uwaterloo.ca (Bernard Lam)
Subject: Re: Success Stories Wanted
Organization: University of Waterloo
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 09:06:08 GMT

In article <1992Nov5.194518.5205@bnr.ca>, Joan Balser (MURPH@bnr.ca) writes:
> Please e-mail me if you have a personal success stories from using any self
> improve tapes, books or videos (i.e.,being more popular, financially better
> off, better memory.  etc..) that has made a significant change in your life! 
> 
> Thanks in advance!!
> 
> Joan
> MURPH@bnr.ca

If possible, could you post the article so that we all can benefit from it?
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
From: Joan Balser
Subject: Re: Anthony Robbins Seminars
Organization: Bell-Northern Research
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 15:38:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov3.163140.28026@bnr.ca> Joan Balser writes:
>Does anyone on the net have a phone number where I can call to see when
Anthony
>Robbins (on Unlimited Power)  will have any seminars in Canada (province: 
>Ontario or Quebec)?  My girlfriend and I picked up his book called *Awaken the
>Giant Within* and would anything to see him in person!
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Joan
>
My prayers has been answered!  Anthony Robbins will be in Ottawa, Ontario
JANUARY 1993.  I heard this on the radio this morning.  What luck!

Joan
From: aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
Subject: Re: Reading (was Re: Speed-Reading)
Date: 9 Nov 92 13:20:33 GMT
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England

W.G.Day (wgd@ukc.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <1992Nov5.072954.18666@nuscc.nus.sg> iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg
: (Mr Khoo Siau Cheng) writes:
: >  "... Many books are hardly worth even skimming: some should be read
: >  quickly; and a few should be read at a rate, usually quite slow,
: >  that allows for complete comprehension.
: 
: One of the great falacies of reading!

I read fiction slowly to allow my imagination to develop appropriate images.
On my straw poll of reading habits (which only consisted of six) people all
three who read slowly claimed they had visual memories, the three that read
quickly claimed they did not, the visual did not interest them, or that a
visual memory without language was impossible.


		Aaron Turner	aaron@minster.york.ac.uk
From: c9036984@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Definition of Flying: One must merely throw themselves at the ground and miss)
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
Subject: stuff for sale
Date: 5 Nov 92 05:56:24 GMT
Organization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA


To AUSTRALIAN Readers:

I am moving interstate in less then 3 weeks and want to get rid of as
much 'excess baggage' as I can so that I dont have to find somewhere to
store it. So:

I have the following I want to sell:

	Coporate Combat  by W.E. Peacock
  Master Key to Riches by N.Hill
  Secret of Inner Strength: My Story by C.Norris
  Seeds of Greatness by D.Waitley
  Personal Power Program by B.Lyon
  Skill with People by L.Giblin

If any of you would be interested in taking something off my hands
please let me know.

Contact me at: (not this account as it is not mine)

bloodgor@maria.wustl.edu
or
Scott English
29 Roe St               (049)681558
Mayfield NSW
2304
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
From: mbr2@quads.uchicago.edu (Curious Of All Natures)
Subject: Twelve Steps programs in Chicago?
Reply-To: mbr2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Universtiy of Chicago
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 01:35:10 GMT

I have a friend who's looking for group therapy/assistance to recover
from an addiction (not one of the ususal kinds of addiction, but the
underlying process is the same.)  Does anyone know of any twelve steps
programs in the chicago area, or other helpful phenomena?  Thanks.

-Matt Ryan, worriedly,
mb-ryan@uchicago.edu                Curious Of All Natures
==================================  ====================================
If I'm dreaming, never let me wake. You'll never see the end of the road
If I'm awake, never let me sleep.   When you're traveling with me.
               -old chinese fellow                        -Crowded House     
==================================  ====================================
From: Joan Balser (MURPH@bnr.ca)
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
Subject: Success Stories Wanted
Date: 5 Nov 92 19:45:18 GMT
Organization: Bell-Northern Research

Please e-mail me if you have a personal success stories from using any self
improve tapes, books or videos (i.e.,being more popular, financially better
off, better memory.  etc..) that has made a significant change in your life! 

Thanks in advance!!

Joan
MURPH@bnr.ca
From: wgd@ukc.ac.uk (W.G.Day)
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
Subject: Re: Reading (was Re: Speed-Reading)
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:28:17 GMT
Reply-To: wgd@ukc.ac.uk (Warren Day)
Organization: Computing Lab., The University, Canterbury, Kent.  CT2 7NF, UK.

aaron@minster.york.ac.uk writes:
>I read fiction slowly to allow my imagination to develop appropriate images.
>On my straw poll of reading habits (which only consisted of six) people all
>three who read slowly claimed they had visual memories, the three that read
>quickly claimed they did not, the visual did not interest them, or that a
>visual memory without language was impossible.

This is interesting, reading language is essentially a left brain exercise and
when one reads quickly more of the analytic processes become active.  As you
read slowly, especially fiction, you are allowing more time for information
to pass through the cerabellum and be invisioned by the more visual right
brain.

I'm reading Milan Kundera's Immortality at the moment and thinking back on
some of the reading I have been doing, I think I have been speeding up when
reading the more logical and humours bits and then slowing down when coming
across more of the descriptive imagery.

>		Aaron Turner	aaron@minster.york.ac.uk

Warren
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
From: iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg (Mr Khoo Siau Cheng)
Subject: Reading (was Re: Speed-Reading)
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 07:29:54 GMT

I found the following paragraphs about speed reading in the book called
"How to read a book?" by Mortimer J. Adler and Charles Van Doren.
Thought you may be interesting to know this:

  "... Many books are hardly worth even skimming: some should be read
  quickly; and a few should be read at a rate, usually quite slow,
  that allows for complete comprehension. It is wasteful to read a
  book slowly that deserves only a fast reading; speed reading skills
  can help you solve that problem. But this is only one reading
  problem. The obstacles that stand in the way of comprehension of a
  difficult book are not ordinarily, and perhaps never primarily,
  physiological or psychological. They arise because the reader simply
  does not know what to do when approaching a difficult --- and
  rewarding --- book. He does not know the rules of reading; he does
  not know how to marshal his intellectual resources for the task. No
  matter how quickly he reads, he will be no better off if, as is too
  often true, he does not know what he is looking for and does not
  know when he has found it.
   "With regard to rates of reading, then, the ideal is not merely to
  be able to read faster, but to be able to read at different speeds
  --- and to know when the different speeds are appropriate..... Every
  book, no matter how difficult, contains interstitial material that
  can be and should be read quickly; and every good book also contains
  matter that is difficult and should be read very slowly."

Best regards,

-- Siau Cheng

Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
From: wgd@ukc.ac.uk (W.G.Day)
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
Subject: Re: Reading (was Re: Speed-Reading)
Date: 6 Nov 92 10:20:29 GMT
Reply-To: wgd@ukc.ac.uk (Warren Day)
Organization: Computing Lab., The University, Canterbury, Kent.  CT2 7NF, UK.

In article <1992Nov5.072954.18666@nuscc.nus.sg> iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg
(Mr Khoo Siau Cheng) writes:
>  "... Many books are hardly worth even skimming: some should be read
>  quickly; and a few should be read at a rate, usually quite slow,
>  that allows for complete comprehension.

One of the great falacies of reading!

One, you never get complete comprehension.  You never remember every word,
every punctuation mark.

Two, reading faster properly doesn't decrease comprehension, it increases it.
More of your brain is more active and as a result performs better integration
with the material.

If your covering a large number of words in a short space of time, that's
skimming or scanning, not reading.

>-- Siau Cheng
--
Warren Day	"So I went from day to day
		 Tho' my life was in a rut		Solsbury Hill
		 Till I thought of what I'd say"		Peter Gabriel
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
From: denisl@bcarh1ff.BNR.CA (Denis Langlais)
Subject: Re: Success Stories Wanted
Reply-To: denisl@bcarh1ff.BNR.CA (Denis Langlais)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Woodline Center
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 18:53:27 GMT


In article <1992Nov5.194518.5205@bnr.ca>, Joan Balser (MURPH@bnr.ca) writes:
|> Please e-mail me if you have a personal success stories from using any self
|> improve tapes, books or videos (i.e.,being more popular, financially better
|> off, better memory.  etc..) that has made a significant change in
your life! 

I don't have any book or tape to mention,
but, my life has had a remarkable change when it comes to people.
When talking with people I used to talk to them about myself or what I 
was thinking.  Sometimes, I would actually interrupt another person
in order to get my thoughts across.  

I have found that people get enjoyment out of talking about themselves
or about what they're thinking.  If you start talking about something
else (something you just thought about) it can be aggravating to them.

Someone suggested in this newsgroup (6 months or more ago, I can't remember
the individual's name) that people should listen more often while in a
conversation.  You will find that people's ideas are usually very interesting
to hear.   Even if the topic initially sounds boring, if you start
asking them a few questions about it, it usually turns out to be interesting.
Another interesting point about all this is that people enjoy being heard.
If you ask them further questions about what they're saying, they know you're
listening and are happy to be in your company.

Of course, you shouldn't be listening all the time.  20% of the
time you talk about things you have experienced.  (again it's good to
keep on topic)

One book that covers this is: (and other good points)
7 habits of highly effective people by Stephen Covey (available in bookstores)
The habit is     "Seek first to understand"


Denis Langlais    Internet:  denisl@bnr.ca 
BNR Ltd.         
My opinions are my own
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
From: iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg (Mr Khoo Siau Cheng)
Subject: Re: Reading (was Re: Speed-Reading)
Organization: National University of Singapore
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 03:54:31 GMT

In article <2146@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> wgd@ukc.ac.uk (Warren Day) writes:
>In article <1992Nov5.072954.18666@nuscc.nus.sg> iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg
>(Mr Khoo Siau Cheng) writes:
>>  "... Many books are hardly worth even skimming: some should be read
>>  quickly; and a few should be read at a rate, usually quite slow,
>>  that allows for complete comprehension.
>
>One of the great falacies of reading!
>
>One, you never get complete comprehension.  You never remember every word,
>every punctuation mark.
>

"To comprehend something" means to grasp the nature, significance, or
meaning of something. A complete comprehension doesn't require you to
remember every word and every punctuation mark. 

>Two, reading faster properly doesn't decrease comprehension, it increases it.
>More of your brain is more active and as a result performs better integration
>with the material.
>

What the authors of "How to read a book?" said is to read different
books at different rates, and also different sections of a book at
possibly different rates, depending on how difficult it is to
comprehend the book. They are not advocating for "slow reading".
Certainly, speed reading helps you to concentrate on reading, and thus
achieving some degree of comprehension. But, it is not true that you
have to read all books at the same speed, or attempts to read any
books as fast as possible.

>If your covering a large number of words in a short space of time, that's
>skimming or scanning, not reading.
>

This really depends on what you mean by "covering". Doesn't speed
reading involve skimming of the book? On the other hand, if, as what
you said, comprhension means remembering words in the book, then I
can't see why speed reading doesn't mean to cover as many words as
possible in a short period of time.

>Warren Day

-- Siau Cheng
From: wgd@ukc.ac.uk (W.G.Day)
Newsgroups: alt.self-improve
Subject: Re: Reading (was Re: Speed-Reading)
Date: 12 Nov 92 13:21:43 GMT
Reply-To: wgd@ukc.ac.uk (Warren Day)
Organization: Computing Lab., The University, Canterbury, Kent.  CT2 7NF, UK.

iscksc@nuscc.nus.sg (Mr Khoo Siau Cheng) writes:
>wgd@ukc.ac.uk (Warren Day) writes:
>>One, you never get complete comprehension.  You never remember every word,
>>every punctuation mark.

>"To comprehend something" means to grasp the nature, significance, or
>meaning of something. A complete comprehension doesn't require you to
>remember every word and every punctuation mark. 

Yes, ignore my second sentence, just look at the first.  Perhaps what I
should have said was that on first reading you don't graps every
interconnection and idea, but you can increase how much you can get.

>>Two, reading faster properly doesn't decrease comprehension, it increases it.
>>More of your brain is more active and as a result performs better integration
>>with the material.

>What the authors of "How to read a book?" said is to read different
>books at different rates, and also different sections of a book at
>possibly different rates, depending on how difficult it is to
>comprehend the book. They are not advocating for "slow reading".

No, I know this as range reading, being able to read at a whole range of
speeds and choosing a suitable speed of each piece of material.

>Certainly, speed reading helps you to concentrate on reading, and thus
>achieving some degree of comprehension. But, it is not true that you
>have to read all books at the same speed, or attempts to read any
>books as fast as possible.

Oh no, it depends on your goal.  For example, if you want to read in bed to
get you in the mood for sleep then one should read as slowly as possible,
reading quickely will cause your brain will wake up more, which is the
last thing you want.

>>If your covering a large number of words in a short space of time, that's
>>skimming or scanning, not reading.

If your just covering but not actually reading a large number of words...

>This really depends on what you mean by "covering". Doesn't speed
>reading involve skimming of the book?

Reading consists of looking at, comprehending the meaning of and the order of
the words, my understanding of it.  Speed reading consists of reading the
words quickly.  Skimming consists of just picking out the major keywords and
getting the jist of the text, but without picking up all of the details.
Some people perfect this and appear to read quickly when infact they are
just skimming.  Scanning is looking for something in particular,
a phone number, a diagram, or a quote.

>On the other hand, if, as what you said, comprhension means remembering
>words in the book, then I can't see why speed reading doesn't mean to
>cover as many words as possible in a short period of time.

As I didn' mean to, hopefully I have cleared this point up.

>-- Siau Cheng

Warren
Newsgroups: alt.whine
From: tim@gold.iss.nus.sg (tim poston)
Subject: Re: Red Red Whine...?
Reply-To: tim@iss.nus.sg (tim poston)
Organization: Institute of Systems Science, NUS, Singapore
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 09:24:27 GMT

In article <6207@sersun1.essex.ac.uk> shepa@sersun1 (Shepherd A J) writes:
>
>Aaaw! Why isn't anyone posting..
>
>Whine! Whine! Snivel! Whimper! Moan!
>

The days of whining roses are over.

In spades.



__________________________________________________________________________
             "What's life if you can't grumble?"
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From: suqfagg@susssys1.reading.ac.uk (Graham Edward Fagg)
Newsgroups: alt.whine
Subject: mail servers..
Date: 12 Nov 92 01:06:29 GMT
Organization: University of Reading

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From: joan@koala.berkeley.edu ()
Newsgroups: alt.whine
Subject: The Polling Place
Date: 8 Nov 1992 00:52:44 GMT
Organization: U.C. Berkeley
NNTP-Posting-Host: koala.berkeley.edu


I worked at the polls on election day and some people were meeaaan
to meee!  Here I thought I was doing my civic duty for my neighborhood
but to some people I was just a bureaucraaaaaaaat to tortuuuuuuure!

It wasn't my fauuuult they moved the polling place out of the 
distriiiiict so why be so meeeeeeeeeaaaaaannnn!

Joan V
From: shepa@sersun1 (Shepherd A J)
Newsgroups: alt.whine
Subject: Red Red Whine...?
Date: 5 Nov 92 14:21:55 GMT
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]


Aaaw! Why isn't anyone posting..

Whine! Whine! Snivel! Whimper! Moan!

--
And the dandy isn't sure,		| Antony J. "Doppelganger" Shepherd
If there's a cure for his malaise,	| shepa@essex.ac.uk
Another pie in the face,		| ---------------------------------
Another time, and another place...	| "Dandy in Disguise" - Steve Wynn
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Subject: Re: the US elections...
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Organization: University of California, Irvine
Date: 7 Nov 92 20:42:45 GMT

In article <1992Nov7.101343.29619@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
>cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
>: 
>: >1. Gun control. If you feel as I do that it's a bad idea, make a
>: >habit of contacting the White House...
>: 
>: I do not feel as you do.  Guns I have no problem with -- but there is no
>: reason in HELL why any sane individual should have an assault weapon, or
>
>Why not? A so called "assault weapon" is no different than any other
>firearm. It is no more accurate or lethal than any other.

Are you serious?  Something capable of killing many hundreds of poeple
in seconds is equivalent to a revolver, which has to be reloaded after a
mere five or six shots and has to be shot individually for each round?
Do you class cherry bombs and H-weapons together, too?

>: why the gov't shouldn't check on you a little, or at least give you a
>
>The NRA has been proposing "instant checks" for years. Unfortunately, those
>who want to take all firearms away from the law abiding citizens have fought
>against such a check. They want to confiscate - not control.

NO ONE I've ever heard wants to "take anyone's guns away."  That is a
stupid and sadly effective scare tactic used by the NRA to make their
members paranoid.  Could it be because the NRA makes money off of such
paranoia?  Naaaaaaah . . . 

>: handling course.  Jesus, what do they make you go through when you buy a
>: car, a mere device to haul your ass from point A to point B? 
>
>I am all for firearms training courses. I think all school children should
>have to take a mandatory course. Maybe for the first time in about the 5th
>or 6th grades, and again in high school.

I may disagree with how early they start, but haven't considered this
enough to have a competant opinion.  I do agree that people should know
what guns can and cannot do, though -- especially kids, who get most of
their education about guns the same place they get their education about
sex -- TV and movies.  Both forms of "education" are inadequate.

And, although I deleted it -- everyone does NOT have the "right" to take
whatever drug they want WHEN THEY WANT.  If they are a switchman working
for COnrail and I'm a train commuter, or I am a surgery patient and they
are an anaesthesiologist, they do NOT have the dubious "right" to take
what drugs they want.  You can do what you want IF YOU DO NOT ENDANGER
OTHERS BY DOING SO.  I think you would also agree to this.

Blessings,
Janis 

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