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From: syed@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Burhan Syed)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: cia factbook on pakistan cont
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 02:29:52 MST
Organization: Edmonton Remote Systems #3, Edmonton, AB, Canada

Industries: textiles, food processing, beverages, petroleum
products, construction materials, clothing, paper products, international
finance, shrimp
 
 
Agriculture: 25% of GDP, over 50% of labor force; world's largest
contiguous irrigation system; major crops--cotton, wheat, rice,
sugarcane, fruits, and vegetables; livestock products--milk, beef,
mutton, eggs; self-sufficient in food grain
 
 
Illicit drugs: illicit producer of opium poppy and cannabis for
the international drug trade; government eradication efforts on poppy
cultivation of limited success
 
 
Economic aid: (including Bangladesh before 1972) US commitments,
including Ex-Im (FY70-89), $4.5 billion authorized (excluding what is now
Bangladesh); Western (non-US) countries, ODA and OOF bilateral
commitments (1980-88), $8.2 billion; OPEC bilateral aid (1979-89),
$2.3 billion; Communist countries (1970-89), $3.2 billion
 
 
Currency: Pakistani rupee (plural--rupees);
1 Pakistani rupee (PRe) = 100 paisa
 
 
Exchange rates: Pakistani rupees (PRs) per US$1--22.072 (January
1991), 21.707 (1990), 20.541 (1989), 18.003 (1988), 17.399 (1987), 16.648
(1986), 15.928 (1985)
 
 
Fiscal year: 1 July-30 June
 
 
------------ Communications
Railroads: 8,773 km total; 7,718 km broad gauge, 445 km meter
gauge, and 610 km narrow gauge; 1,037 km broad-gauge double track; 286 km
electrified; all government owned (1985)
 
 
Highways: 101,315 km total (1987); 40,155 km paved, 23,000 km
gravel, 29,000 km improved earth, and 9,160 km unimproved earth or sand
tracks (1985)
 
 
Pipelines: 250 km crude oil; 4,044 km natural gas; 885 km refined
products (1987)
 
 
Ports: Gwadar, Karachi, Port Muhammad bin Qasim
 
 
Merchant marine: 29 ships (1,000 GRT or over) totaling 339,855
GRT/500,627 DWT; includes 4 passenger-cargo, 24 cargo, 1 petroleum, oils,
and lubricants (POL) tanker
 
 
Civil air: 30 major transport aircraft
 
 
Airports: 115 total, 105 usable; 75 with permanent-surface runways;
1 with runways over 3,659 m; 31 with runways 2,440-3,659 m; 43 with
runways 1,220-2,439 m
 
 
Telecommunications: good international radiocommunication service
over microwave and INTELSAT satellite; domestic radio communications
poor; broadcast service good; 813,000 telephones (1990); stations--19 AM,
8 FM, 29 TV; earth stations--1 Atlantic Ocean INTELSAT and 2
Indian Ocean INTELSAT
 
 
------------ Defense Forces
Branches: Army, Navy, Air Force, Civil Armed Forces,
National Guard
 
 
Manpower availability: males 15-49, 26,840,840; 16,466,334 fit for
military service; 1,322,883 reach military age (17) annually
 
 
Defense expenditures: $2.9 billion, 6% of GNP (FY91)

 


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: izaz@cbnews.cb.att.com (sheikh.izazul.haque)
Subject: Re: purpose of this news group
Organization: AT&T
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:37:48 GMT

In article <By0pt6.JKH@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, maya@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Mohammed Ayaz) writes:
> I unlike some others have noticed a newsgroup called soc.religion.islam so
> could all the religion orientated news be posted to that news group not this
> one as l like many others would like news about pakistan, not islam in this news
> group.   

I second this proposal. Lets have the religious "discussions" on 
soc.religion.islam. 
                        Izaz ul Haque
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Nayyar Sultana
Date: 16 Nov 92 16:21:36 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <Nov16.053241.22923@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu writes:
>In article <1992Nov16.030715.64343@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
>|> 
>|>      The famous film actress Nayyer Sultana died in Lahore.
>|> 
>|>      The Pakistan Government has declared following members of
>|>       Mohajir Quami Movement to be " Ishtahari Mulzim" and
>|> 	has announced an award of 10 lacks Rs. for anyone who
>|>           will help the govt. to arrest them either dead or 
>|> 
>|> 		           alive.
>|> 
>|> 
>|> Azeem Tariq
>|>      Imran Farooq ======>'IS THERE A DR. MISSING HERE'
>
>|> 	Saleem Shahzad 
>|> 		Baqar Rizvi
>|> 			
>|> 
>|> 
>|> 	
> 
>God must forgive her sins, and bless her soul.
>
>What is wrong with you guys?  Please think twice before you
>write your subject line.  Is there any correlation between
>late Nayyar Sultana and the other so-called 'Ishtahari mulzims'?
>And, whats the point in indenting those names?  Is there anything 
>speacial you want to emphasize on?  
>-- 
>
>*********************************************************************
>
>SOHBAN SHAHID                
>Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
>Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
>Ft. Collins, CO-80523
>
>*********************************************************************

 I think you should see the doctor as soon as possible . These are news
and not necessariliy required to have any connection between them. 
The names that I have posted are already mentioned in all the newspapers
in Pakistan , for you kind information .
From: 92ali@gw.wmich.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Benazir Bhutto
Date: 22 Nov 92 18:53:37 EST
Organization: Western Michigan University

In article <1992Nov21.200727.2523@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>, axavub@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
> In article <1992Nov21.225958.9725@news.columbia.edu>, aa102@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Amer  Ahmad) writes:
>> Listen fellow Pakistanis...all of you who think that Pakistan would be better off under Martial Law, think again.  Although I think Benazir may not be the best person for the job, and although I have tremendous hatred for Nawaz Sharif...they are both better for Pakistan (and Democracy) in the long run.  And for those of you who think that Benazir and the Bhutto's are better off dead...you all should really be ashamed of yourself for posting such trash.  We are the representatives of Pakistan in the West




 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> a
> n> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> d by saying such unintelligent and cruel things like Benazir should be hanged "like her father" you make a negative impression...you all should really get a grip on your emotions.
>> 
>> Amer Ahmad
>> 
>>  
>> 
> 
> 
> 
>         Mr. Ahmad, try to be a little sensible, any body who organizes
>         these kinds of demonstrations has the right to be stopped and punished.
> 
> 
>                 For example if your beloved Benazir was in power, and the
> opposition tried something like this, they were supposed to be stopped in the
> same manner. We all know the state of our politician, and what they have
> defined democracy into. 
> 
>         On top of every thing, PPP has always been the cause of agitational
> politics in Pakistan, and it is better for the development of the country that
> Ms. Bhutto and her PPP should be demolished, we have already sufferd alot from
> her father's rule and also her devastating tenure.
> 
> 
> 
>         And please don't get me wrong, I am not an IJI man or a Nawaz Shareef
> fan, but I do believe that amongst all the worse kind of politicians we have
> Benazir and Co. are the Worst of all.......
> 
> 
>         ANd please also don't respond in the traditional "TAKHREEBKAR" manner
> of people's party and start attacking the evry body else but not BB.....
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                                 Ali Ayub
> 

hello ALI....
   I belive you just hit a six out of the stadium.....well played ...beautiful
shot....congragulations.....

Ahmed
> 
>> 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.indian
From: fb78@sol.acs.unt.edu (Ganesh Gopalakrishnan)
Subject: Re: Nationalism....
Keywords: pakistani flag hoisting in India
Organization: University of North Texas
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 00:06:26 GMT

Agree whole-heartedly with you, Naveed, but how many people (on both
sides) think like you? - ganesh

Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
From: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Sohban Shahid)
Subject: Re: Nayyar Sultana
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 05:32:41 GMT
Distribution: usa
Reply-To: ss733645@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu
Organization: Colorado State U. Civil Engineering

In article <1992Nov16.030715.64343@slate.mines.colorado.edu>, imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM ) writes:
|> 
|>      The famous film actress Nayyer Sultana died in Lahore.
|> 
|>      The Pakistan Government has declared following members of
|>       Mohajir Quami Movement to be " Ishtahari Mulzim" and
|> 	has announced an award of 10 lacks Rs. for anyone who
|>           will help the govt. to arrest them either dead or 
|> 
|> 		           alive.
|> 
|> 
|> Azeem Tariq
|>      Imran Farooq ======>'IS THERE A DR. MISSING HERE'

|> 	Saleem Shahzad 
|> 		Baqar Rizvi
|> 			
|> 
|> 
|> 	
 
God must forgive her sins, and bless her soul.

What is wrong with you guys?  Please think twice before you
write your subject line.  Is there any correlation between
late Nayyar Sultana and the other so-called 'Ishtahari mulzims'?
And, whats the point in indenting those names?  Is there anything 
speacial you want to emphasize on?  
-- 

*********************************************************************

SOHBAN SHAHID                
Civil Engg. Dept.                (303) 491 7710/8204 (work)
Colorado State University        (303) 224 0397  (home)
Ft. Collins, CO-80523

*********************************************************************
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: sherwani@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Naveed Sherwani)
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
Summary: Declaring people muslims or non-muslims ?
Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 23:09:31 GMT

In article <1992Nov18.073550.11223@tamsun.tamu.edu>, gagrawal@cs.tamu.edu (Gopal Agrawal) writes:
> In article <1eb2oaINNngu@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU>, ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
> 
> |> Well, I think my whole claim is that the Qur'an does it for us.  If
> |> both the Ahmadis and I believe in the Qur'an, I can indeed make a
> |> case.  Since you don't believe in it at all, and clearly know very
> |> little about it, I don't even see why you're arguing -- it can only
> |> embarrass you...
> |> 
> |> -- Shakil
> 
> I don't understand your motives for declaring someone non-muslims.
> I mean if you or anyone else declared himself a hindu, I could care
> less about declaring them non-hindus if I didn't see any vested 
> interests for me in doing so. What do the muslims gain by declaring 
> the Ahmadis as non-muslims ?  The only persons I can think of who
> might have an interest in outcasting them is the mullahs. Since any 
> violation to their teachings serve to decrease their powers.  Already
> the mullahs are well aware of the divisions among themselves. Perhaps
> they just don't want to see another breed of mullahs cropping up. 
> 

I think declaring ahmedis as non-muslims (back in 70's) was
probably one of the cruelest piece of legistation in Pakistan's history.
It also allowed some folks to become judges in this religious
drama. It is fundamental problem with a theocratic state, YOU HAVE
TO HAVE A LITMUS TEST. Pakistan applied the litmus test and claimed
that ahmedis are non-muslims and cannot use word islam or muslim.

I think LITMUS test is with GOI. Anybody who claims to be a muslim
is a muslim as far as any other human is concerned. However, this
does not work for a theorcratic government, which assigns rights and previleges
depending on the religion. So the government HAS to have a 
litmus test. However, that is the fundamental problem with
theocratic states in general. That is why, I oppose theocratic
states in general. With personal religions, there is no need to
apply the litmus test anymore, since no rights and preliveges
depend on one's religion.

At a personal level, Islam demands that anybody who claims to be
muslim should be allowed to call herself/himself that. 

The in-tolerant point of views such as  that Ahmedis cannot even use the
word Islam/muslim is the key reason why west has been so afraid of
Islamic fundamentalism. They think, if they make a big deal out of this
issue, what happens if we have a real issue--scary ain't it.

regards,

-Naveed
From: imustafa@slate.mines.colorado.edu (MUSTAFA IBRAHIM )
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re: Latest news on the March.
Date: 21 Nov 92 23:40:37 GMT
Organization: Colorado School of Mines

In article <1992Nov21.193036.26985@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Nadeem Jamali) writes:
>In article <1992Nov21.010419.2519@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> amr7969@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Nov19.185001.6455@gw.wmich.edu>, x90kamali1@gw.wmich.edu writes:
>>> In article <1992Nov19.200538.21330@sol.UVic.CA>, ahussain@engr.UVic.CA (Amyn  Hussain) writes:
>>>> In article 10302@galileo.cc.rochester.edu, ousi_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Omer Usmani) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Benazir has been arrested and the march has been stopped. Hundreds of
>>>>>police made roadblocks and stopped all incoming traffic to the Capital.
>>>>>   Benazir and her entourage when they tried to run one of the blockades 
>>>>>were attacked and latthi-charged. 
>>>>>  I saw all of this on the NBC and ABC evening news. They said that many 
>>>>>western embassies had requested her to stop the march calling it foolish
>>>>>(this is an internal Paki matter what right have those idiots to interfere.)
>>>>>  Anyway the lathi-charge was quite bad from what I saw, Benazir had her 
>>>>>dupatta pulled off and then arrested. This is after she got into her 
>>>>>Land Cruiser and (I assume) was trying to leave. The police promptly pulled
>>>>>her out and arrested her.
>>>>>  Personally I'm not her fan but really Nawaz should have shown more decency
>>>>>and sensitivity especially as she was a woman.
>>>>>
>>>>>   THATS ALL FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>> *******************************************************************
>>   I think Nawaz sharif should hang bibi just like her father along
>>  with all other so called political leaders,jamaties and the
>>racial leaders. This might sound cruel, but its better for the safety
>>and prosperity of our dear country.......
>>                                            Aamir...
>
>And which country would that be???
>
>Nadeem 
>
>-- 
>Nadeem Jamali                                     jamalin@newton.ccs.tuns.ca
>						 
>School of Computer Science			  
>Technical University of Nova Scotia		  (902)420-7527  

 Nonsense buddy this country will be Pakistan .
Why you didnot respond to my posting?
From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Re: CFD: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya (Moderated)
Organization: Industrial Technology Institute
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 19:22:17 GMT


You can't start a new CFD until the old issues are settled.  The problems
with the CFV has been addressed by David Lawrence and should move to a
new CFV very soon.  A new CFD is utterly inappropriate.
-- 
scs:  Currently tied for 2536th on the Zwicky list with `zwicky'.  The
      list was compiled by Elizabeth Zwicky (not Fritz, not Arnold),
      zwicky@erg.sri.com.
From: imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar)
Subject: Re: Email in Pakistan
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 05:53:01 GMT
Organization: Information & Media Resources, Affiliations, Networks

In article <1992Nov21.143852.2521@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> amr7969@vax1.mankato.msus.edu writes:
>In article <8342@public.BTR.COM>, a9@public.BTR.COM (Ashar Nisar) writes:
>> In article <8f2cKH_00WBLI47JQ3@andrew.cmu.edu> ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Asad Iqbal) writes:
>>>
>>>Hi 
>>>Can Imran Anwer or anybody please send me some information on how to get
>>>an e-mail account in Karachi. I need to know exactly what I'll need and
>>>what I'll have to do.
>>>Asad
>> 
>> You can dialup 455-9448 in Karachi with modem settings (1200 to 14400 baud),
>> N81 and set up an account for the internet access. Send mail to "root"
>> to get registered. Local email is free and the data transportation cost
>> (subsidized) is about 0.03 cents per character (i.e., 66 cents per a
>> page of 2000 characters) for the internet/bitnet/MCImail/etc worldwide.
>> For more information contact Usman Anwar in Lahore (42)-830111.
>> 
>> Ashar Nisar
>
>**************************************************************
>HI!
>can someone give me some info about vax account in karachi. If someone
>get the account by contacting  the number given above, will that person
>be able to send me mail here in my account at the USA?
>					Thanx in advance...
>
>						Aamir... 

Amir Sahib;

I hope you can find a VAX account inPakistan, perhaps Jaffer Brothers
Ltd. can help find a client who they sell VAX machines to.

However, if you need a basic email to internet account then the information
provided above by Ashar Nisar should suffice.  Please send me email if
you need further help

Regards


Imran Anwar


Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 19:49:47 -0500 
From: Asad Iqbal <ac46+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Shahzad Khalid & others


Hi anybody know Shahzad Khail, Amir Shafi, Naved and NAdeem Elahi and
Furqan Sattar's email address.
These guys are at BU
if anyone could please respond to this post and send me their e-mail
address and/or their phone #

If one od them reads the post then please respond

Asad Iqbal
CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY
PITTSBURG PA
From: khan@ces.cwru.edu (Mansoor Khan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Aqalmandi Kaa Muzaahiraa
Date: 23 Nov 1992 04:56:54 GMT
Organization: Computer Engineering and Science, Case Western Reserve University
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: easy.ces.cwru.edu

		Smarter by the minute
		----------------------


	A little boy accompanied his parents to a nudist colony
	for the first time. After looking around for a few minutes, the
	boy asked his father why some men had big ones and some men had
	small ones.
	Rather than go into a long explanation, the father replied,
	"The men that have big ones are smart, and the men that have
	small ones are stupid."
	Buying his father's explanation, the boy went off to explore his
	new surroundings.
        Time passes and he finally came across his father again.
	"Where's your mom, son?"
	"Oh," the boy answered, "she's behind the bushes talking to some
	stupid guy who's getting smarter by the minute."

Mansoor Khan
Cleveland, Ohio
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan,soc.culture.bangladesh
From: njamil@nyx.cs.du.edu (Nasir Jamil)
Subject: Re: CFV: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 19:27:13 GMT

In article <1ee3e0INNqg4@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) writes:
>
>In article <1992Nov18.181636.21665@sarah.albany.edu>, ys3359@thor.albany.edu (Yazmasterj) writes:
>> In article <1edur4INNq8a@CURIE.SYSTEMSY.CS.YALE.EDU> ahmed-shakil@cs.yale.edu (Shakil Waiz Ahmed) went on about...
>> >Circles?  Geez, some people really aren't reading the articles...  I
>> >have shown very clearly how the Ahmadiya claim to being Muslim
>> >violates the very definition of Islam itself.  If you can show
>> >otherwise, do so.  Otherwise, please refrain from circular arguing
>> >which avoids the real issues.
>> 
>> I have been watching debate for some time (even participated for a while).
>> The point you keep missing, Shakil, is that people don't seem to think
>> you have shown anything very clearly.  In fact, many people seem to have
>> quite a conflict with what you have shown.  You show things according
>> to your own interpretation.  What you keep missing is that your
>> interpretation is not the be-all-and-end-all of Islam.  
>
>Um, Yasmin, how many ways can you interpret the following:
>
>    O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH
>    WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my
>    words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QUR'AN
>    and my example, the SUNNAH, and if you follow these you will never go
>    astray.

and Shakil: How do you interpret the following Hadith of the Holy Prophet
Muhammad (pboh)?

	If my son Ibrahim had lived, he would have been a TRUE PROPHET.

and this one:

	Abu Bakar is the best among you unless their is a PROPHET.

and the one where Prophet Muhammad (pboh) called the Promised Messiah
the NABIULLAH (Prophet of Allah) four times in same hadith.
	
>
>or any of the numerous other passages I have quoted?  This is not a
>matter of interpretation anymore, but of simple comprehension...  If
>you can refute any of what I said, please do so.
>
>-- Shakil

Nasir.
From: ousi_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Omer Usmani)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Latest news on the March.
Date: 19 Nov 92 02:37:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: galileo.1992Nov19.023758.10302
Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York


 Benazir has been arrested and the march has been stopped. Hundreds of
police made roadblocks and stopped all incoming traffic to the Capital.
   Benazir and her entourage when they tried to run one of the blockades 
were attacked and latthi-charged. 
  I saw all of this on the NBC and ABC evening news. They said that many 
western embassies had requested her to stop the march calling it foolish
(this is an internal Paki matter what right have those idiots to interfere.)
  Anyway the lathi-charge was quite bad from what I saw, Benazir had her 
dupatta pulled off and then arrested. This is after she got into her 
Land Cruiser and (I assume) was trying to leave. The police promptly pulled
her out and arrested her.
  Personally I'm not her fan but really Nawaz should have shown more decency
and sensitivity especially as she was a woman.

   THATS ALL FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Omer.........
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan