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From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: IMPORTANT-7.1 installer quirk
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:58:44 GMT

I upgraded from 7.0.1 to 7.1 and discovered something interesting.
If you just use the installer to move up to 7.1 (as opposed to a
'clean' install) the installer leaves your fonts in the system FILE
instead of moving them to the fonts folder.  As a result the
system fonts are duplicated, which uses RAM like crazy.  When I removed
these fonts and rebooted I gained almost 100K of RAM back 
and 200MB of Hard disk space from what 7.0.dot had used.
I suppect that this quirk in the installer is the reason that for some people
7.1 seems bigger in RAM and disk space then 7.0.dot.  I also suppect that
this is the reason that some people have had printing problems.
This from personal experience with the 'direct from Apple 7.0.X to 7.1 
upgrade US version' so the 6.0.X to 7.1  and other countries upgrades might 
not have this problem.

In any case if you have upgraded to 7.1 and NOT used a 'clean'
install CHECK YOUR SYSTEM FILE FOR FONTS.
It could save you grief in the long run.

"The Computer is your friend"--Parinoia RPG
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: Bill Stearns <whs1@cornell.edu>
Subject: 7.1 Install barfs on Quadra 700
X-Xxdate: Wed, 16 Dec 92 16: 10:13 GMT
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Organization: Cornell University
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1992 16:06:45 GMT

The system 7.1 Install disk would not boot my Quadra 700 with 20MB RAM &
E-Machines 16" monitor.  Symptoms were a blank dialog box that constantly
rebuilt its border which appeared after the Welcome dialog box had
appeared and then cleared.
I was able to get around this by creating a RAM Disk and copying the 7.1
Disk Tools System to it and setting the RAM Disk as the Startup Disk,
rebooting and running the Installer.
- Bill Stearns
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: John T. Chapman <jtc1@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: TRIVIA!!!!
X-Xxdate: Mon, 14 Dec 92 20: 23:56 GMT
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Organization: Office of Computing and Statistical Consulting
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:12:47 GMT

In article <antkasx.724286441@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> Ken A. Sturrock,
antkasx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu writes:
>It's the best demonstration yet of Balloon Help's usefulness......

IMHO, close, but not quite...

Try looking at a recent version of Macsbug. ;-)

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From: JohnM._Stafford@uu0570.foggybottom.com
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Anti-Virus software
Date: 14 Dec 92 05:42:35 GMT
Organization: Foggy Bottom / Washington, D.C.

SAM is the best if you are a commercial concern that allows lots of strange
people to insert floppies into your machines. Or need a network scan.

Disinfectant is the way to go for a home or single user machine.

Gatekeeper is a pain in the ass. Some people swear by it, I swear at it. GK is
best at making it difficult to install new software or upgrade software. And
it conflicts with lots of INITs.

Virus Detective is as good as Disinfectant, but Disinfectant is free.

JMS
Foggy Bottom - your FirstClass Mac connection in Washington, DC
From: Thomas.Tornblom@nexus.comm.se (Thomas Tornblom)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Macsbug for Sys 7.0.1 on LC II
Date: 15 Dec 92 10:13:45 GMT
Distribution: comp
Organization: Communicator Nexus AB


I am having problems with Macsbug 6.0 on my LCII, it says it installs but
doesn't seem to work. It doesn't matter if applications crash or I
type the INT key sequence, I wont get into the debugger no matter what.

Is 6.0 too old for the LCII or what?

Thomas
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Distribution: world
From: Daniel_A._Chirkov@fourd.com
Organization: 4th Dimension BBS
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 20:23:59 EST
Subject: Re: WoldScript 1 Extension, Does it live?

>>Do i have to buy this APPLE SYSTEM SOFTWARE?<<
I'm generaly annoyed about Apple's behavior with System 7.1 and World Script
and TrueType. Why can't they make it easier instead of more complex.
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)
Subject: Re: 32 bit addressing in 6.0.8
Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 05:27:48 GMT

jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes
>>How does one turn on 32-bit addressability in 6.0.8?  There is nothing on
>>the control panel for this and I can't find any "memory" control-panel
>>documents on any 6.0.8 system disks.
                                               
>There is no Memory control Panel for 6.0.x to initiate 32-bit addressing.
>You must use a 3rd-party utility--"Virtual" from Connectix is one, I
>believe--to give you 32-bit addressing.
I think you are confusing virtual memory with real memory and addressing.  
This is what MacUser says about Virtual: (MacUser Special 1993:290)
"Virtual is a virtual-memory program.  Provides up to 15MB of EFFECTIVE
RAM using HARD DISK drive...".
There is no mention of 32-bit addressing which makes sence because
the 6.0.x OSes are 24-bit OSes and would require MAJOR patching to use
32-bit addressing.  Other programs get around the 8MB problem by creating RAM
disks, which is a little better then not being able to use the RAM at all, but
not by much.
If you want to use more then 8MB of REAL RAM (and not use virtual memory)
I would recommend going to System 7.X. If you want 32-bit addressing beyond
just the extra memory (A few high end programs MUST run under 32-bit addressing)
then System 7.X is pretty much the only way to go.

"Eliminate the impossible and what ever remains, no matter how improbable,
is the truth" -- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle through Sherlock Holmes
From: Eric.Choi@zeus.ieee.org (Eric Choi)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Convert fonts! Arrrrrgh!
Date: 9 Dec 92 21:26:39 GMT
Organization: IEEE Service Center, Piscataway, NJ

There is no good dim sum in Michigan! 

  qu> From: quang@yosemite.cs.csufresno.edu (Quang Ngo) Date: 4 Dec 92
  qu> 16:44:31 GMT Organization: California State University, Fresno
  qu> Message-ID: <1992Dec04.164432.122353@yosemite.cs.csufresno.edu>
  qu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
  qu> 
  qu> I like to know to how convert IBM type1 fonts to Mac.  What are the
  qu> procedures.  Could you help?
  qu> 
  qu> Please cc your help to my email, too.
 

I use FontMonger to convert between PC formats (Postscript Type 1, Type 3,
TrueType, LaserMaster LXO, CorelDraw! WFN, Nimbus Q and Intellifont) and Mac
formats (Type 1, Tyoe 3 and TrueType).

FontMonger is commercial and the current version is 1.5.
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From: npchen@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Nien-Po Chen)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: WoldScript 1 Extension, Does it live?
Date: 18 Dec 92 22:07:44 GMT
Organization: Purdue University Physics Department

In article <1gpguhINN8j@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> craig@ec.uwa.oz.au (Craig Richmond - division) writes:
>Best reasoning here I have is that they have problems with how to market
>the products.  To do it properly, you have to create english documentation
>for each language module for sale in english speaking countries.  Then you
>have to create Japanese documenation for all Language modules for sale in
>Japanese speaking countries, etc, etc.  
>
>Craig

This can't be the excuse.  There are a lot of international products.  They
carry multi-lingual manuals to solve this problem.  In a single manual, there
are instructions in English, French, German, Spanish, Japanese, Chinese, 
Russian, etc.  In this way, the cost doesn't increase much (need a single manual
instead of one manual for each country market) and the products
can be sold globally.  So, printing-manual-cost-too-much can't be the excuse.

Just my opinion.
Chen, Nien-Po		npchen@physics.purdue.edu
12/18/92
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jjmckay@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jim McKay)
Subject: Re: MacRecorder Driver 1.0.2
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 23:20:38 GMT

babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb) writes:

>I put MR driver 1.0.2 in my extensions folder but when i go to the Sound
>control panel, no macrecorder.
>What gives?
>Jeff.

I had the same problem.  Assuming you have a II, IICX or IIci, try this:

1.) Load the non-appletalk Imagewriter driver so that it showws up in 
the Chooser.
2.) Pick the IW in the chooser and click on modem then printer ports icons
a few times
3.)  Reboot.

Apparently the folks at MAcromedia claim Multifinder and Sys 7 don't reliquish
the serial ports so one needs to reset the EPROM withthis kludge.  Then
it should work ok thereafter.  If you have a 900 or IIfx, there's a serial 
switch Extension you need to use instead.
From: lee@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Peter Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: Quicktime natural bit depth
Date: 18 Dec 92 02:50:04 GMT
Reply-To: lee@cs.umass.edu
Organization: Software Development Lab, UMass, Amherst
In-reply-to: licht-jeffrey@yale.edu's message of 17 Dec 92 15:17:53 GMT

In article <1gqjp1INNni1@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> licht-jeffrey@yale.edu (Jeffrey Licht) writes:
Path: dime!nic.umass.edu!noc.near.net!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!not-for-mail
   From: licht-jeffrey@yale.edu (Jeffrey Licht)
   Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
   Date: 17 Dec 92 15:17:53 GMT
   Organization: Yale University Science & Engineering UNIX(tm), New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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   What is the natural bit-depth that Quicktime movies use?  If I use a different
   depth, will I see a serious performance hit?

The "natural depth" of a QuickTime movie is the bit depth that was chosen for
it when it was compressed, which can be different for different movies (it
could even be different for different frames within a movie, but I suspect
that's pretty rare).  There is definitely a benefit to be had from playing the
movie back at the depth it was created for, when you know what that is.

Unfortunately, I don't know of any guaranteed to find that depth other than
writing a (fairly simple) program, though perhaps one of the various free
movie playing utilities can do it.  If you can't get that sort of information,
you can sometimes tell just by looking at the movie.  Also, if you know what
compressor was used, that can help narrow the search (for instance, I believe
that Apple's Video compressor is the only standard QuickTime compressor that
can create >8 bit movies).

   Thanks.

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: jdunning@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (John Alan Dunning)
Subject: WANTED: utility to kick users off a shared volume
Originator: news@nimaster
Organization: Princeton University
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 14:24:43 GMT

Are there any, preferably shareware, utilities which automatically 
log users off an AppleShare volume after a certain amount of time?
I know I've had volumes unmounted on me.

John
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: wbecktel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Wayne J Becktel)
Subject: PB 160/ Sys 7.1
Keywords: cumulative system size
Organization: The Ohio State University
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 14:07:41 GMT

     I recently purchased a PB 160 4/80 and, in the course of exploring just
what it is capable of, observed something odd.  Assume no extensions are active
and that everything else about this is purely vanilla.  The System is 7.1, as
shipped with and installed on the PB.  The following is repeatable in terms a
series of actions:

ACTION             SYS SIZE        APP SIZE        TOTAL      DIFF
------------------------------------------------------------------
start              1239              0             1239          0
open desk top      1244              0             1244          5
close desk top     1244              0             1244          5
open teach text    1265            192             1457        218
close              1246              0             1246          7
open               1269            192             1461        222
close              1251              0             1251         12
sleep/restart      1269              0             1269         30
open teach text    1293            192             1485        246
close              1269              0             1269         30
open resedit       1308            500             1808        569
close              1290              0             1290         51
------------------------------------------------------------------

     There are several points here.  First off, there appears to be a "memory
effect" associated with the size of the system and what applications have been
launched or exited.  The increase of system size after a sleep/restart seems
particularly odd.  Next, the effect is cumulative.  I have been able to get the
system size to 2 MB with just the hard disk desk top, the alarm clock, the
battery DA, and one floppy with desk top open.  Recall that that is 1/2 of the
total RAM in this PB.  Finally, it gets worse as the size of the application
increases.  Not only does the size of the system balloon with the launch of the
application, but the cumulative effect is a lot worse.

     Now, I am not a computer scientist, I am a biochemist.  Having written
that, I would be very much interested in an explanation of why one would design
an operating system to do what is reproduced above.  I haven't been able to
reproduce this using my Mac IIcx with Sys 6.0.7.  Off the cuff, it doesn't seem
particularly desirable in limited memory systems to have an operating system
which erodes usable memory with each action.

     Don't get me wrong in this, I like my PB 160 just fine.  Perhaps, however,
 it is time to increase standard memory 8 MB.  That's what I, for one, intend
 in the near future.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: bredell@tdb.uu.se (Mats Bredell)
Subject: Re: Postscript Japanese Fonts
Reply-To: Mats.Bredell@udac.uu.se
Organization: Uppsala University Computing Center (UDAC)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1992 14:18:21 GMT

: > Does anyone have any suggestions/comments on Postscript Japanese Fonts? I am
: > thinking about quality, price and where I can get them. (I am using 
: > KanjiTalk 6.0.7.1, or something like that)

Apple has some huge TrueType japanese fonts included in the japanese system 7.1
script.

/Mats
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From: nick+@pitt.edu (Nick C De Mello)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Duo's: Are Redundant Systems A Good Idea?
Date: 12 Dec 92 03:39:04 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Originator: nick@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu



People:

  Good news!  I've finally got my Duo 230!
  Bad news!  I don't have a mini dock or disk drive yet!

  As you can imagine, I'm *really* paranoid about crashing my system
under these circumstances.  I have an idea in case I do, but am 
not sure if it is safe.  Let me know what you think of the following. 

  My day to day system is in folder A, a backup system is in folder B.
I put A on my hard disk, I put B,in a folder, in a folder, on my hard
disk.  When I start up the first system found is A, and if A is ok, the
Duo never looks for B.  If A gets trashed, the Duo looks lower in the
hierachy until if finds B, it boots, and I can repair A and restart. 

  Any insight or usefull critisism will be greatly appreciated.

                                           -- Nick

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From: eric@hpsad.sad.hp.com (Eric Lucas)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:45:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Anti-Virus software
Organization: HP Signal Analysis Division - Rohnert Park, CA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system

In comp.sys.mac.system, lchang@Cadence.COM (Leon Chang) writes:

    There are various anti-virus packages available. Can anyone
    recommend one. I have access to the following:

    	Symantec AntiVirus (SAM Intercept)
    	Disinfectant 2.9
    	Gatekeeper 1.2.6
    	Virus Detective 5.0.6

    Thanks for any recommendations,
    Leon Chang
    lchang@cadence.com
    408 428-4007

--------------------------------------------------------------

Get SAM.  Symantec gives good support although you pay a lot for the
program.  But, any virus protection is better than none.

Eric Lucas
Hewlett-Packard

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: David_Martyn@mindlink.bc.ca (David Martyn)
Subject: Problem with Jasmine disk under system 7.0.1 on plus and SE
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1992 15:16:29 GMT

The problem you are having is with the Jasmine Driveware which never got
updated to work with System 7.  Since Jasmine is out of business you will
have to try your luck with a third party driver - I am using Drive 7 on a
very old Jasmine MegaDrive 20 and it works except I have to manually eject
the disk.

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From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: 32 bit addressing in 6.0.8
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 92 13:10:21 PDT
Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
Reply-To: erics@infoserv.com
Distribution: na
X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v1


jelmore@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Elmore) writes

> >How does one turn on 32-bit addressability in 6.0.8?  There is nothing on
> >the control panel for this and I can't find any "memory" control-panel
> >documents on any 6.0.8 system disks.

> There is no Memory control Panel for 6.0.x to initiate 32-bit addressing.
> You must use a 3rd-party utility--"Virtual" from Connectix is one, I
> believe--to give you 32-bit addressing.

Close, but if you want to use more than 8 MB of memory under System 6,
the utility from Connectix that you want is Maxima, not Virtual. Maxima
will enable you to use something like 14 MB, and create a RAM disk for
any memory above that.


-----
Eric Smith
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: smithc@amcl7.math.stolaf.edu (Christopher A. Smith)
Subject: Virtual Memory -- A Curious Observation
Organization: St. Olaf College; Northfield, MN
Distribution: na
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1992 19:50:31 GMT


When I installed System 7.1 recently I noticed something unusual about
the virtual memory...

I have a Mac IIci with virtual memory chugging away with 12 MB being
used on e hard drive.  32-bit addressing is turned off -- always.
Whenever VM is turned on, the System Software apparently requires an
additional 400K or so to accommodate the VM.  I noticed this
immediately after installing System 7.1 and turning on virtual memory;
no other INITs had been added -- just those that came with System 7.1.

Does that seem right?  I don't remember VM under System 7.0.1 tuned
requiring 400K RAM to run properly...

Just a curious observation...

  ==================================================================
			 Christopher A. Smith
       German & Mathematics -- St. Olaf College, Northfield, MN
From: uyyifrah@mcs.Drexel.edu (Y Yifrah [y^2])
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: PowePC Chip emulation, Why 68020??
Date: 19 Dec 92 03:52:30 GMT
	<zkessin.724522396@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> <75694@apple.apple.COM>
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Drexel University

The 68020 also has the superset of the entire 68k line as far
as non-coprocessor assembly functions go.
--
                                        Yoram Yifrah -- uyyifrah@mcs.drexel.edu

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                                               -- Howard Beal, UBS Network News
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: eriks@lin.foa.se (Erik Svensson FOA2)
Subject: Re: 32megs on a IIFX 32bit addressing?
Organization: FOA, Linkoping, Sweden
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 18:27:01 GMT

wnkunzelm@vax2.winona.msus.edu (Jeff Kunzelman) writes:


>I just installed a 32meg upgrade into a Mac IIfx. Total RAM is 36megs. When
>I 
>turn on 32 bit addressing certain programs crash when launched. Without
>32bit addressing the system suckes up 32megs. Anybody know a fix to solve
>this problem?

Use only 32-bit clean apps.  It's the only way.

cheers

--
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Guided Weapons Division		National Defense Research Establishment (FOA)
Stockholm			Sweden

net.address: 	eriks@fenix.lin.foa.se

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
From: sgrenander@NASAMAIL.JPL.NASA.GOV (Sven U. Grenander)
Subject: Re: 32megs on a IIFX 32bit addressing?
Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1992 19:16:31 GMT

In article <wnkunzelm-141292112011@134.29.65.70>,
wnkunzelm@vax2.winona.msus.edu (Jeff Kunzelman) wrote:
> 
> 
> I just installed a 32meg upgrade into a Mac IIfx. Total RAM is 36megs. When
> I 
> turn on 32 bit addressing certain programs crash when launched. Without
> 32bit addressing the system suckes up 32megs. Anybody know a fix to solve
> this problem?
> 
> /s/
> Jeff

The crashing apps are probably not 32-bit clean. The only way I know of to
"fix" this problem is to go back to 24-bit and reboot before using the
trouble apps (unless you can get 32-bit clean replacements).

-Sven
From: bt402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Merbil R. Gonzalez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: How good are Crash Barrier, Conflict Catcher and MacEKG?
Date: 20 Dec 1992 13:57:48 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu


I've seen these 3 utilities: Crash Barrier, Conflict Catcher and
MacEKG advertised, but I have no idea how good they are. Would 
someone post some information on each one and their pros and cons.
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                             bt402@cleveland.Freenet.Edu