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From: traub@rtf.bt.co.uk (Michael Traub)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.msdos.4dos
Subject: OS/2 bug, "IF EXIST" doesn't find drivers
Date: 29 Dec 92 14:48:55 GMT
Organization: BT Customer Systems, Brighton, UK

Under messy-dos I used to put the following in my batch files:

	IF EXIST IFCUST0 goto pctcp_loaded

But under OS/2 the above line fails even though the driver is loaded!

If I write a small C program to check for the existence of the file
then it returns that the file was found (i.e. the driver is loaded)
but from the command prompt it doesn't work. 

This error was found using 4DOS, but I guess it also fails under OS/2's
command.com.


-- 
Michael Traub
BT Customer Systems, Brighton Systems Centre. traub@btcs.bt.co.uk
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (kellmeyer steven l)
Subject: Trap 000d with Novell card/Requestor v1.3
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Distribution: comp.os.os2.misc
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 01:43:47 GMT

Help!  I just got in three ValuePoint 486SX's, 8MB RAM with
OS/2 pre-loaded.  I've never tried OS2 before, so I thought
I'd see if we could get them set up as Novell network 3.11 
workstations.  I dropped in an SMC card, fired up a VDM (after
playing around a little) and BOOM! - it works like a charm.
Even does TCP/IP, no problem.

However, the whole point of OS2 is multitasking, right?  So, I'll
need to set up this puppy on the desktop.  I pulled out the Novell
manual and my disk set, found OS2 Workstation Services v1.3 Requestor
disk, and tried an install.  The installation program doesn't look
like the manual said it should, but life's like that sometimes.
It says I need to re-boot.  So I do.

BUST!  It gets past the OS2 entry logo, loads the drivers correctly
(I assume - the screen stops when the drivers aren't found, but scrolls
by like a madman when they are, so I really don't know if there are any
other messages) and gives me:

Trap 000d

followed by what looks like a register dump, followed by:

"The system detected an internal processing error at location 
##0160:fff64584 - 000d,9584

60000,9084

048600b4
Internal revision 6.427  92/06/03"

This happens whether I use the SMC card with it's driver or the Thomas
Conrad with the NE2000 generic driver that comes with OS2.  Both cards
have been set at I/O 300 IRQ 3, and I/O 340 IRQ 5, no soap.  I noticed
that the files on the Requestor disk are all stamped 2/92 or before 
i.e. this thing is a pre-2.0 release.

Do I need a newer version of the Requestor?  Novell won't talk to me
for less than $150/hr, and my vendor hasn't gotten back to me yet.
If so, is this thing ftp'able, and from where?  If not, what am I 
screwing up?  

I would truly hate to set these machines up as DOS boxes (I have 
religious objections to Windoze - it's a God-forsaken piece of software :)
but I have a tough time justifying 40 MB of HD space for a VDM launcher.
Any help is gratefully appreciated.

Steve Kellmeyer

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Steve Kellmeyer 
kellmeye@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: orville%weyrich@uunet.uu.net (Orville R. Weyrich)
Subject: Re: OS/2 and Logitech mice?
Keywords: Logitech, mouse
Reply-To: uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville
Organization: Weyrich Computer Consulting
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 15:39:46 GMT

In article <1992Dec28.173114.6322@eng.umd.edu> marko@eng.umd.edu (Marko Teittinen) writes:
>
>Anyway, I'm not very happy with my current mouse and I've thought of
>switching to Logitech.  But when I asked about OS/2 compatibility of
>Logitech mice I was told at the store (Egghead) that they don't know
>so they can't guarantee Logitech works with OS/2.  But they gave me
>Logitech 1-800 number to call and ask them.  So I just got off the
>phone, and Logitech told me they don't have OS/2 drivers.  I just
>can't believe this.  Does OS/2 come with Logitech drivers?  Is there 
>anyone using a Logitech mouse (serial) in OS/2?  Does it work?  Any
>problems?  What is the model of your mouse?  How old (does it matter)?
>Any useful information is appreciated.  Or should I buy a Microsoft
>mouse?

I've never found a mouse that DIDN't work with OS/2 -- I've used old
Logitech, MS-clones, ..., I am most happy with my current Logitech
stationary trackman "trackball".


orville

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Is 2.0 even worth installing?
From: oecn_smith@mec.ohio.gov
Date: 28 Dec 92 08:29:08 -0500
Reply-To: smith@leeca.oecn.ohio.gov
Distribution: world
Organization: Metrop. Educ. Council, Columbus, OH

In article <1992Dec27.192409.9675@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, ojtv@phoenix.oulu.fi (Olli Vuolteenaho) writes:
> oecn_smith@mec.ohio.gov wrote:
> 
> :  ... IBM's docs neglected to tell me that I needed 6M to run HPFS, so I had
> : to re-install.
> : 
[stuff deleted]
> 
> Well I used OS/2 2.0 with 5 MB RAM (20 MHz 386SX) for a couple of months 
> (and with HPFS). It wasn't as fast as my current 8 MB 486DX/33 but it 
> worked and was stable. Due to a hassle with purchase of a new machine for my 
> office I've even had (a 4 day) experience with HPFS in a 4 MB 486DLC/33.
> It didn't crash a single time and the speed was not that bad (really) as long
> as I didn't use any Windows aplications.
> 
> Olli
> __________________________________________________________________________

I tried to run the HPFS (before I found and read the FAQ).  My 210M hard drive
was constantly being accessed, and it sounded bad.  Also, chkdsk was enabled on
startup, and at each startup it found more errors than the last time.  Since I
have gone back to a FAT-only system, I haven't had any problems.

Next step is adding at least another 4M RAM (within the next couple of weeks),
then hopefully a CD-ROM device (if I can figure out what I need).

bob -- smith@leeca.oecn.ohio.gov
From: diesel@odie.ee.wits.ac.za (Bruce Diesel )
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: DOS session from command line
Date: 21 Dec 92 18:29:37 GMT
Article-I.D.: odie.diesel.83
Organization: Wits Electrical Engineering (Novell Users).

Hi Everyone

I've got a query on behalf of my brother who would like to know how to how 
to start a minimal dos session from the OS/2 command line so that the DOS 
session does not pick up the config.sys defaults - i.e. he wants to start a 
couple of DOS sessions with only 640k and no EMS or XMS memory allocated to 
them.

I tried to post this before but I think somethink went wrong with my mailer.

Thanks
  Bruce
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: carl@sscl.uwo.ca (Carl Kaufmann)
Subject: Re: Minitab locks up VDM
Organization: Soc.Sci.Comp.Lab., U.West.Ont.
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:42:05 GMT

In article <1992Dec17.130030.12850@waikato.ac.nz>, hamish@waikato.ac.nz writes:

* stuff deleted

> ANyone out there using Minitab under OS/2? (He also has a copy of Minitab 
> extended edition coming. Will this work?)

* more stuff deleted

I run the extended version without a hitch.  I give it 8
megs of XMS and DPMI memory (experience with Gauss has
taught me that these settings should be the same) and set
EMS to 0.  This set-up gives me 1.4 million data cells. The
mouse support in Minitab works very well within a windowed
DOS session.

Carl Kaufmann
Soc.Sci.Comp.Lab.
U.West.Ont.
CARL@SSCL.UWO.CA
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Tom J Parry)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta - some first-hand info
Originator: parry@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 04:18:56 GMT

Steve.Withers@bbs.actrix.gen.nz wrote:
> I've had the opportunity to have a good look at the OS/2 2.1 beta.
>  
> Notables:

> - C-ROM support: Toshiba, Sony, Hitachi, Panasonic, Texel(never heard of
> them), CD Technologies, IBM and NEC.

That's strange, Steve. Here over the Tasman IBM has a deal with SCSI
Corporation for the Texel DM 3024 and 5024 (internal and external) as well
as some Sony deals (the SCSI corp Texel deal is a very nice deal and a very
nice drive). I thought, given this, that in NZ they would also be popular.

The drives are 300K/sec 260ms drives and work with 0 hassles (except for
CDEXPL which has trouble locking the door and then won't work - not
surprising since there isn't a lock on the Texel door :-)

-- 
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Your reality is a figment of my imagination.
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 Beta is OUT!!!!!!!!!!!  Wide Release!
From: cvetp036@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu
Date: 27 Dec 92 13:26:47 PST
Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona
Nntp-Posting-User: cvetp036

In article <725427584.0@ttlg.ttlg.UUCP>, Eric.Chan@ttlg.UUCP (Eric Chan) writes:
> Where can I get a copy? Can you give me the name of the FTP site?
>  
> 
>  * Origin: Mach2 Vulcan OS/2 Systems 1-403-489-4250 (42:100/20)

It's on CD-ROM for $15 from 1 800 3IBMOS2.

Now, my question is, can you install it WITHOUT a CD-ROM? As in copying
the files over to floppies first?


Xref: sparky comp.os.os2.misc:40470 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware:34274 comp.os.msdos.misc:6730
From: ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca (ochealth)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.os.msdos.misc
Subject: Re: Question about Parallel Port, please read
Date: 28 Dec 1992 07:45:11 GMT
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca

In article <BzxDM2.L4z@mccc.edu> pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes:
>Speaking of parallel ports, the one on the multifunction card I just got
>has a jumper for "TRUELY BI-DIRECTIONAL" operation where the
>"...direction is controlled by printer 'CONTROL' register as follows:
>	bit 5 of CONTROl register
>	    1	input
>	    2	output"
>

how can bit 5 have a value of 2? 
Do you mean bits 5 and 6?

>If I set the jumper for bidirectional operation, am I depending on the
>printer electronics to set that bit correctly? Do all printers do it
>correctly? 
>

There are three ports that control the printer port:
for lpt1, there is port 378h (data) and 379h and 37Ah for other stuff.
Since bit 5 is assigned at 379, and bit 5 isn't used for 37A, I guess
the control bit is at port address 37A.


>Thanks and happy holidays.


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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: debby@netcom.com (Debby Hungerford)
Subject: avga and co-processor
Keywords: avga co-processor
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 15:31:05 GMT

 2 problems. 1) I need a 256 color driver for my avga video card. 2) If
I add a math-coprocessor, do I need to re-install os2?

 thanks!
From: pdc@lunch.wpd.sgi.com (Paul Close)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: Diamond Speedstar synch problems
Date: 25 Dec 1992 19:32:11 GMT
Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc., Mountain View, CA
Reply-To: pdc@sgi.com (Paul Close)
NNTP-Posting-Host: lunch.wpd.sgi.com
Originator: pdc@lunch.wpd.sgi.com

Eric W Sarjeant (v053qpgh@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu) writes:
>>To keep my monitor in synch, I have to have the "vmode monitor"
>>command in the autoexec.bat file that is run every time I
>>open a DOS window.  This is only for hi res graphics modes.
>>I have run SVGA ON from a full screen DOS session with the card
>>set up properly.  Is this normal?

I have vmode monitor in my autoexec.bat.  I haven't tried removing it, so I
don't know if it's required or not.  It doesn't bother me to have it there
if that's what you mean.

>>Also, very few of the hi res video drivers work.  Same problem,
>>the screen is not in synch.  This includes the drivers included
>>with the service pack.  The Generic 800x600x16 drivers do work
>>(and quite well, I might add).

The service "pak" drivers work fine for me.  I do have to use the trick
mentioned in the README file to run vmode 28 (or whatever) when I boot so
the desktop will sync.  Have you tried this?  It makes everything else work
nicely.

Another trick is to set up your monitor (run vmode monitor, etc.) then run
svga on from a DOS session (i.e. copy svga.exe and boot real DOS.  make an
\os2 directory if it doesn't exist on your DOS partition. run svga on.)
Then copy the \os2\svgadata.pmi file over to your OS/2 partition and reboot.

>>My monitor can only synch at 72hz in 800x600 modes, and I suspect
>>that everything is defaulting to 60hz.  Am I doing something
>>wrong, or is this just a limitation?

My monitor is syncing quite nicely at 72 Hz in 800x600.  After I run vmode
28, that is.

>RKKISTLE@MTUS5.BITNET (Wiccan) writes...
>Would anyone care to comment on a multisynch monitor (like the NEC)? Will
>this kind of investment insure that our monitor will always synch to the
>card? I have been considering this kind of investment, but I'm approaching
>it cautiously because my current monitor does such a nice job.

I have a NEC 4FG and a Diamond SpeedSTAR 24 (not X).  The NEC does help, but
that hasn't stopped me from having sync problems.  Many of the sync problems
are caused because the chip's registers aren't being programmed correctly,
so there's nothing to sync to.  For example, If I run my monitor at high
refresh rates, full screen OS/2 sessions won't sync.  For me, that's a small
price to pay :-)  I also have to run vmode 28 or something before the screen
will sync when I boot.  Compared to using 640x480x16, that's a small
annoyance.

Also, sometimes a SVGA program will leave the desktop unsynced.  For that,
I have the vmode 28 program set up as an icon in the upper left.  Then all
I have to do is hit left arrow, up arrow a few times, hit return, et voila!
My screen is synced.

Hope these tips help,
-- 
Paul Close	     pdc@sgi.com	   ...!{ames, decwrl, uunet}!sgi!pdc

			No fate but what we make
From: tony@bai.baylis.COM (Tony von Ruden)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: tri32bit.zip works with V7 VRAM II !!!!!!
Distribution: na
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 92 16:30:01 GMT
Organization: Baylis Automation, Inc.

At the suggestion of Mr. Sipples, I tried the new "trident" 32 bit drivers
(found on the IBM NCS BBS as tri32bit.zip ( 404-835-6600 )) with my Video7
VRAM II.  Lo and Behold, they appear to work!  I haven't done a thorough
evaluation yet, being the Christmas season and all, but I did verify that
seamless Windows and Dos boxes work in 256 colors.  Other people with cards
on the "SVGA" list might want to check this out.

My only bitch so far is that the icons appear too large, and appear to be 
scaled ( full of jaggies ).


Tony von Ruden			tony@baylis.com
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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: samiam@netcom.com (Scott Moore)
Subject: Re: OS2.1B and SBPRO/ ALSO TRANTO t13bscsi.add
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 03:38:30 GMT

pee9901@ultb.isc.rit.edu (P.E. Erkkila) writes:

>ANy idea how to get this info to ibm? I heard they weren;t accepting
>bug reports from the Internet anymore.

I am accepting bug reports for relay to IBM at their CIS address.

                                               [sam]
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From: des@inmos.co.uk (David Shepherd)
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.1 beta to be released 12-28 to EVERYONE!!
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 16:27:37 GMT

Gregory Youngblood (tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com) wrote:
: rvaniwaa@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Ronald J. Vaniwaarden) writes:

: I HOPE the 2.1 BETA will be available in 3.5 inch images because I don't have
: a CD ROM yet.  All these new things are great but I can't get it because I
: dont have a CD ROM?  

: IBM is going disillusion more people with OS/2 if they only make this on CD
: ROM.


the key word here is "beta". IBM seem to be following microsofts lead
in producing beta releases on CD. why? because (i) they want to be able
to get out betas quickly and cheaply and i'm sure that a run of a
couple of thousand cds is cheaper and quicker to produce and distribute
than floppys (remember all the problems people reported last year due
to botched disk copying on the final betas and LA). and (ii) i'm sure
that somewhere in the reasoning behind moving to cds is the idea that
people who've got cd drives are more likely to be more "serious" users
than j.r.user who wants to see what's in the beta release. given that
ibm (and microsoft) have started open beta programs they need some
criteria to limit the "target audience"

i think we can be fairly certain that when the real 2.1 comes out
that it will be available on floppies.

fyi i don't have a cd-rom drive and anyway as i live in "foreign parts"
i wouldn't be able to get the beta anyway!

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)
Subject: Encryption programs for OS/2?
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:54:37 GMT

I am looking for a fairly sturdy OS/2 encryption program.  It must support
three things:

	1.  command line non-interactive execution  
	2.  HPFS long file names 
	3.  Encrypted files, when decrypted, must retain 
	all extended attributes.  (stress _all_)


Note that I am *n o t* looking for an encrypting archiving program.  

Please email responses.  If interest is sufficient, I will post a 
compilation.  

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From: tcscs!zeta@src.honeywell.com (Gregory Youngblood)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Making OS/2 recognize COM3 and COM4 (Please read!)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 92 22:33:12 CST
Reply-To: zeta%tcscs@src.honeywell.com
Organization: TCS Consulting Services

I am in the process of setting up COM3 and COM4 to work on my OS/2 system.

My hardware recognizes and reports these on the hardware summary displayed
during power up (AMI 5/5/91 BIOS, 386-33).  OS/2 does not.  

Here is the configuration :


COM1      IRQ4  *
COM2      IRQ3  *
COM3      IRQ5
COM4      IRQ2
LPT1      IRQ7

*  I may have these reversed, these are set to whatever is default.

I want OS/2 to recognize all four com ports and to have the mouse run off
com port 3 (IRQ5).  Can someone help me do this?

These will be running on a BOCA IO 2 by 4 multi IO card.  I have great results
with the serial section.  The parallel portion has a known bug with OS/2 which
should be fixed with chips date coded 9228 or later (bugs in 9227 and earlier),
when I've gotten my new card (next week), I'll update over the net my findings.

Also.  Would it be possible to have 2 printers on the same IRQ?  LPT1 and LPT2
on IRQ7?
 
I had thought not, but the documentation of the IO card say it is possible,
though if system resources allow do not do it.

Greg

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From: hartzman@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Les Hartzman)
Subject: Re: SP/CSD's for Toolkit/Workframe?
Keywords: csd, toolkit,, workframe
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 20:05:55 GMT

I tried to install the workframe CSD, but the service program doesn't SEE the
NFS drives I've mounted, and where coincidentally I've installed the C Set/2
Developer's Toolkit!!!!!!

Anyone know of a workaround??

Les



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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Enhanced Mode???
Reply-To: sip1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 18:39:49 GMT

In article <1993Jan01.203427.18379@rose.com> victor.ng@rose.com (victor ng) writes:
>I was just wondering how OS/2 now support 386 Enhanced mode Windows 
>apps if this compromises system integrity like so many people have 
>said in the past.  

An excellent question, one which I'm still investigating.

All I know is that Mathematica for Windows now works.  :-)

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Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: Future of OS/2 and IBM????????????
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 22:53:08 GMT

In <1992Dec22.190833.10075@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU> jurlwin@gandalf.UMCS.Maine.EDU (Jeff Urlwin) writes:

>In article <1992Dec22.153630.6259@athena.mit.edu> mgrice@athena.mit.edu (Matthew Grice) writes:
>>Now I _know_ that BYTE is on the take.
>>I'm getting sick of Jerry Pournelle, too.  OS/2 bashing.  Won't even 
>>install HPFS on his OS/2 test computer.  Now he is going to announce to
>>the people that os/2 is slow.  What a bastard.
>>
>Let me just add that every single time I read his column I get sick.
>He really knows nothing about computers (REALLY) but dabbles left and
>right.  He has more problems with things than anyone else I know.
>It's an annoying column, if you ask me.  It's also anoying that he
>gets all this GREAT equipment and doesn't put it to more use than
>word-processing.

You mean there are still people in the world who aren't aware that
Jerry Pournelle is just an idiot who got in at the right time and is
now overly impressed with his own industry clout and by how many
people listen to him?  I mean, perhaps reading his reviews of DOS
products is entertaining, and sometimes even informative, but for
anything that's not commodity tools and games?  You're better off
checking a crystal ball.

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