HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: sg@monsoon.com (Sunil Gupta)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: How strong is U.S. beer - Serious [Re: Amount of Alcohol in U.S.
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 92 13:41:17 EDT
Organization: Monsoon Software, Inc.

leadfoot@bigbootay.sw.stratus.com (Mark Curtis) writes:

> Neat list, but why do many of the beers have two figures listed?
> Many of the beers that require two lines to describe have a figure
> on both lines.  And they don't agree.
> 
> Mark

There was quite a bit of expository material along with the tables,
but I haven't had the time to type it in. Basically the variations
you noted above were attributed to normal variation among different
manufacturing batches and amounted to no more than 1.6%. I'll post
the whole report when I can get around to it.

Sunil Gupta
Monsoon Software, Inc.
sg@monsoon.com
Newsgroups: alt.beer,rec.crafts.brewing
From: binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley)
Subject: Re: Canadian pisswater (was: Beer/Brewing Periodicals?)
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: usa, na, world
Date: 25 Aug 92 21:47:12 GMT

tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:


>Heaven <-------             Drinkable             --------> Hell

>Guiness                    Other Stouts                Everything else

Now there's a man with broad tastes!  Too bad he can't spell the
name of the only beer he really likes, though!!


Jon

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: machman@milton.u.washington.edu (The Machman)
Subject: Re: Seattle Brewpubs
Organization: University of Washington
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 23:25:58 GMT

kgibson@cxcad%decwrl.dec.com (Ken Gibson) writes:

>  I'm going to be vacationing in Seattle next week and want to be sure to try
>some of the better brepubs.  Any recommendations?  (For some reason my AAA
>Tourbook doesn't have a listing for any).

the following brewpubs are currently open for business in the Seattle area:

  Big Time Brewery & Alehouse
  4133 University Way NE (University District), 545-4509

  Redhook Brewing Co.
  (Trolleyman Tavern)
  3400 Phinney Ave N (Fremont), 548-8000

  Hales Ales Ltd.
  Kirkland Roaster & Ale House
  111 Central Way, Kirkland, 827-4400

  Pacific Northwest Brewing Co.
  322 Occidental St (Pioneer Square), 621-7002

  California & Alaska Street Brewery
  at the intersection of Alaska & California Streets
  in West Seattle.  sorry, i don't have the number.  

i heartily recommend the first two establishments.  marginal support
goes to the Kirkland Roaster & Alehouse, and i dis-recommend the Pacific
Northwest Brewing Co.  i've not yet been to the West Seattle one, so i can't
give a recommendation for that one.  enjoy your stay!

						-- dave


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From: rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Subject: Re: EKU and Spaten
Followup-To: alt.beer
Organization: University of Oregon
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 23:05:50 GMT

In article <me.714928381@dude>, me@dude.pcs.com (Michael Elbel) wrote:
> 
> >In article <1992Aug20.231115.3870@inter-tel.com> wohlenbe@inter-tel.com (Greg Wohlenberg) writes:
> I think this stems from history in Germany. Every small village used
> to have the right to brew and sell beer locally here (do you need 
> something like this in the US too - if you want to sell the beer?)
> Very often the Brewery would have had its own pub. Since transportation,
> especially of beer, was difficult, the beer was only drunken in a
> small area.

The same situation existed in the US before prohibition.  There was some
recovery of local brewing after prohibition, but national distribution and
advertising led to the death of most of the local breweries which survived
prohibition.  The current trend is a revival of local brewing in the form
of brew pubs or microbreweries. Many of the brew pubs sell carry out in
your own container just like in the old days when poppa would send junior
down to the corner for a bucket of beer (though you have to be 21 today--18
in some states, to purchase beer).

However, this is a very small part of the overall USA beer market and
destined to stay that way I expect.  Another trend, is for the big brewers
to bring out something that is aimed at appealing to that market, though to
my taste, there is no real comparison between these mass market bottled
beers and what you get in a brew pub or from one of the top microbreweries
like Anchor.
 
> Michael

Prosit!

-Rich
From: tope@enea.se (Tommy Petersson)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Campaign for Real Ale Info
Date: 4 Sep 92 12:30:56 GMT
Organization: Enea Data AB


 (Address for Campaign for Real Ale) writes:
- the Campaign for Real Ale (CAMRA) is an organization in England dedicated
- to keeping small breweries and brewery-run pubs open. They fight
- big-brewery takeovers of small breweries. They sponsor the Great British
- Beer Festival (which I attended this year), a festival of 300+ beers on tap
- from small brewers in and aroung England.
- Their address for membership:
- 
- CAMRA Limited
- 34 Alma Road
- St. Albans
- Herts AL1 3BW.

I have included a previousely posted CAMRA related article (don't know
who's the original poster):

*** BEGIN INCLUDE ***
Here is the result of the CAMRA 1992 Champion Beer Of Britain competition,
held at the CAMRA Great British Beer Festival, 4-8 August.

There are eight separate categories, then the winners of each category
are compared for the overall Champion. I am not sure of the exact
definition of each category; I think they overlap slightly.

Mild:                 Taylor's Golden Best
Bitter:               Ridleys IPA
Best Bitter:          Taylor's Landlord
Strong Bitter:        Hop Back Summer Lightning
Old Ale:              Woodfordes Norfolk Nog
Barley Wine:          Gibb's Mew Bishop's Tipple
Porters and Stouts:   Bateman's Salem Porter
Bottle Conditioned:   Gales Prize Old Ale

Overall Champion Beer Of Britain 1992:
1. Woodfordes Norfolk Nog
2. Taylor's Landlord
3. Bateman's Salem Porter

I will try to supply more details of each when I can get hold of my
copy of the Good Beer Guide.

Note that these are all small breweries, and of course, 
excepting the bottled, all cask conditioned beers.
You are fairly unlikely to get hold of any of them far outside their
own patch, and extremely unlikely to get any abroad.
*** END INCLUDE ***

I'm going to London the 11th, and wonder if any of the beers listed
above is available in a pub in London, and if so the address of that pub?

-- 
=============================================================================
 Tommy Petersson              tope@enea.se              Enea Data AB, Sweden
=============================================================================
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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: EKU and Spaten
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 16:12:15 GMT

>>That's pretty much true.  I can only think of one bar in the States
>>where you can order "a beer" and get one*, instead of having to choose
>>a brand.
>
>>*Any guesses from the audience?

McSorely's in New York.  Is it still there?

$0.25 draws, but you can only buy six at a time.

Go in the afternoon...I've seen two-block-long lines to get in
on weekend nights.

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From: mece1xg@Rosie.UH.EDU (purna)
Subject: Re: FAQ?? (was Home Brew!!)
Reply-To: mece1xg@Rosie.UH.EDU
Organization: University of Houston
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1992 00:16:44 GMT

In article <18688dINN9et@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, brown@odin.ins.cwru.edu (Dan Brown) writes:
>
> [...my stupid question about the FAQ deleted...]
>
>Well... if you read the automated post, you would see that you can get
>a copy of the faq from the "achive site" which is ftp.cwru.edu. Things
>are a bit out of date, since I haven't had time to work on them, but...
>its there!
>
>later.
>Dan
>

OOPS!  i guess i goofed!  oh well, that's what happens when you open
your mouth a little too quickly.  i DID find the FAQ, and it IS as
dan said.  and i AM apologizing for making a fool of myself.

ObBeer: has anyone tried the Oberdorfer wheat beers?  i have found
the "light" and "dark" and have enjoyed both immensely!  does the
brewery make any other styles (since we're moving out of that summer
time of year into fall -- at least those of you who aren't in TX
are doing this).

peace,
-purna
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller)
Subject: McEwan's Export Pale Ale?
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 18:58:12 EDT

Is there any netland opinion on McEwan's Export Pale Ale (or is it
India Pale Ale)? How's it compare to the English variety and how
strong is it?
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From: cpalmer@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Good beers in Germany
Date: 28 Aug 92 12:03:56 EDT

My father is in Germany  (Hamburg) and I would like to have him bring
back some good beers for me.  
I prefer thicker, malty beers like Anchor Porter, McEwens Scotch Ale,
Guiness Stout.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.Thanka a lot for any ideas.

		Chris

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: rickman@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Rickmer Kose)
Subject: Blue Velvet: Heineken, ...
Organization: ZRZ/TU-Berlin
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 13:04:12 GMT

did anyone watch the movie blue velvet?

frank asks: whats your favourite beer?
answer    : Heineken.
frank     : fuck Heineken! Pebbs Blue Ribbon!

Sounds nice. But absolutely noone here knows this kind of beer.
Who is able to help me and tells me where to order that beer?

Rick

-> rickman@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de

thanks.


Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: CA: beers i should drink/avoid
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1992 15:59:18 GMT

In article 7721@leland.Stanford.EDU, jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
>In article <Btuu2B.J11@wrs.com> gak@wrs.com writes:
>>If you're going to be in the Bay Area, try Gordon Biersch.  The one in
>>Palo Alto is best; they are also located in San Francisco and San
>>Jose.
>
>	Hmm.  Personally, GB isn't one of my favorites.  The beer is decent
>enough but the atmosphere in the brewpub (at least the one here in Palo Alto)
>is so annoying.

As with all pubs, depends on the time of day.  If you go after the
lunch crowd has gone and before the after-work crowd shows up, it's
great.  Empty, quiet, and the crew has time to talk about the beer.

>	My main reccomendation for beer in the Bay Area is the Triple Rock
>Brewery in Berkeley.  Truly great stuff.

I've heard lots of good things about Triple Rock, and it's on my list.

>	If you get to North Beach in San Francisco, The San Francisco Brewing
>company (just down the street from City Lights Bookstore) is worth a stop.
>The beer is decent, and the atmosphere of the brewpub very cozy.

I think all of their beers, including their porter, have a pronounced
cidery flavor.  It's a nice place, though; certainly worth a stop.

>	Two other great northern California brewers (which you might be able
>to find in better liquor stores) are Steelhead and Anderson Valley.  I
>don't remember anymore whether Pete's brewery (the makers of Petes Wicked
>Ale) is in CA or not--  but it's a beer worth tasting in any case.

Here we go...AV beers are foul swill.  I can't even choke one down, and
I've tried and tried.  Lots of people really like it though, so my
advice is give it a try and see what you think.

Steelhead is not bad.

Pete's is still in Palo Alto, but I'm not sure just where.

>	BEERS TO AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE:
>
>	Anything by the Monterrey brewing company. (Killer Whale Stout, Blue
>Ale, etc.).

Agreed.  They've had an infection problem for as long as I can
remember, but they won't admit it.  Unlike these folks:

>	Dead Cat Ale:  The name is pretty accurate.

They've closed their brewery (the pub is still open) while they fix
their infection problems.  They intend to reopen the brewery when they
get it right.

>	Enjoy your stay, and enjoy the beer!

Hear, hear!

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From: klump@acns.nwu.edu (David Klumpp) (David Klumpp)
Subject: Pabst Blue Ribbon
Followup-To: Blue Velvet
Organization: Northwestern U.
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 19:03:32 GMT

> did anyone watch the movie blue velvet?
> 
> frank asks: whats your favourite beer?
> answer    : Heineken.
> frank     : fuck Heineken! Pebbs Blue Ribbon!
> 
> Sounds nice. But absolutely noone here knows this kind of beer.
> Who is able to help me and tells me where to order that beer?


An excellent movie!  But the line you cite is actually a joke.  Pabst Blue
Ribbon is a typical American swill popular at college parties because it is
usually the cheapest keg available (in cans it's probably <$8/case). 
Traditionally, however, Blue Ribbon is considered regionally popular with
the "blue collar" class.  Blue Ribbon is brewed in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
	    The joke is funny because Pabst is awful, although those of us brewing
our own beer feel Heineken sucks too!  If you want info on good beer, check
into the homebrewers' users group rec.crafts.brewing.

I hope that was helpful,

																					Dave
 

David Klumpp
Dept. Biochemistry, Molecular Biology and Cell Biology
Northwestern Univeristy
2153 Sheridan
Evanston, IL 60208
klumpp@casbah.acns.nwu.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: nicholas@brazil.psych.purdue.edu (Jeffrey Nicholas)
Subject: Re: Favorite beer
Organization: Purdue University
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 18:46:13 GMT

In article <l9sh5hINNt8u@earth.cs.utexas.edu> wardrb@cs.utexas.edu (Richard Byron Ward) writes:
>This is probably a dangerous topic to bring up (too much flame
>tinder), but what are your favorite beers with price as no 
>object?
>

My favorite beer was a porter that I brewed at home.  As far as commercially
available beers go, I'd have to say that either Samuel Smith's Taddy Porter
or Oatemal Stout are my current faves.  Not too exotic, but that's the way I'm
gonna call 'em.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: dcb@rosedale.uucp (Dave Breneman)
Subject: Re: michelob dry
Organization: The Spud Goodman Show
Distribution: usa
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1992 19:42:29 GMT

In article <BtI49J.9L7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> nicholas@brazil.psych.purdue.edu (Jeffrey Nicholas) writes:
>
>While michelob is probably one of the better american beers (not including)
>the many premium and micro beers), i am personally against the whole dry beer	movement.  Essentially, dry beer is beer that has had the flavor taken out of
>it.  While beer with no taste appeals to many americans, i'm against it
>  As snobbish as this may sound, your friends show good judgment by avoiding
>dry beer.  on the other hand, if you really like dry beer, more power toiyou
>just don't neglect the other tasty brews to be had in this world.

Maybe this is true where you are but not everywhere.  While many "dry"
beers are brewed on the Japanese model (ie, less flavor, less alchohol,
etc.) Rainier Dry (one of the first dry beers - in fact as far as I
know THE first dry beer in the US) has more and better flavor, is
noticeably darker, and I think has a little more alcohol than its
regular counterpart.  Is Rainier the only brewery that makes this
type of "dry" beer?  This is a great product for weening people off
the regular american swill.  I usually have a keg of it for my
Christmas party, and many people, especially those who as a rule
drink the regular American Pale Export stuff, comment that the extra
body and flavor (while only a slight improvement) are very agreeable
in the chill winter air.  Only one person refered to it derisively as
"dark beer" and drank his own - I think it was Schmidt in cans. Ho-ho-ho.

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From: rv01@harvey.gte.com (Robert Virzi)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Boston brewpubs?
Date: 4 Sep 92 18:23:54 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: GTE Laboratories

In article <3514@ra.nrl.navy.mil> pehren@orion.nrl.navy.mil (Paul Ehrenfreucter) writes:
>Howdy,
>
>	I'll be in Boston next week and would greatly appreciate any and
>all recomendations for local drinking establishments, brewpubs in particular.
>Good beer is an obvious requirement.  Thanks in advance for the suggestions.
>
>				Paul Ehrenfeuchter
> 

There are three that I know of.  In order of *my* preference for their
respective beers, they are:

Commonwealth Brewing.  The oldest and a producer of some very good
beer.  The brewmeister was formerly at Manhattan Brewing in NYC.  Food
isn't too bad either.  Near Fanuiel Hall, between it and the Boston Garden,
where the Celtics play.

Boston Beer Works.  The newest place in town, but with outstanding beer.
Really excellent (except for the Barleywine), especially as it has been
around less than a year.  Food isn't great, but better than the stuff
at Fenway, with BBW is right across the street from.  Very busy on game
nights.

Cambridge Brewing.  One Kendal Square, Cambridge.  I am really dis-
appointed in the beer here.  It started off with some troubles and
still hasn't been able to work them out.  I taste off flavors in their
beers, generally.  Very convenient if you are MIT, however.


Good luck and Drink Beer!  Please post if I missed any.





-- 

-Bob Virzi                    | Innuendo ...
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 ...!harvard!bunny!rv01       | ... and out the other.
From: fse@phx.mcd.mot.com
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Porter vs. Stout
Date: 28 Aug 92 13:16:55 GMT
Reply-To: phx.mcd.mot.com!fse@phx.mcd.mot.com ()
Organization: Motorola Microcomputer Group

That's not the story I heard... (not that mine was any more correct than
yours)....

I heard that the Porters at the train stations would go to the Pub late,
after work, and, being in the lower income class, the bar tender would 
save up unfinished beers/ales from the evening and dump then together for
the Porters to drink when they came in.  They ended up with a dark colored
beer with some of the characterisics of the stout(er) beers and yet a
lighter flavor since the pale(r) beers were mixed in with it.  The style 
became popular enough to become an original.

My 2 cents..

Stan
From: c3088@moncol.monmouth.edu (CHRIS CANE)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Gambrinus, You Pe--s I Love You After All
Date: 27 Aug 92 18:16:03 GMT
Distribution: alt.beer
Organization: Monmouth College, W. Long Branch, N.J.  07764

In article <Btn9LC.MwM@news.cso.uiuc.edu> parsons@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Parsons) retortes:
>bryanh@dseg.ti.com (Bryan Hazel) nudges:
>
>>subject line suggests, it is Gambrinus from Czechoslovakia. (Man, no wonder people
>
>	Prost!

aptly ended post.  you all know that Gambrinus is another mispronounciation
of Jan Primus, the father of the toast.  Salud!

___________________________________________________________________
|\/| |_| |\| |\/| |_| \_/  |  |-|            |_ |_| |_ |_ |- |_- |-
Christopher E. Cane                       c3088@moncol.monmouth.edu
Beer Lover By Choice                       Computer User By Fortune
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From: Helge.Oldach@Stollmann.DE (Helge Oldach)
Subject: Re: Warsteiner
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 17:19:47 GMT
Organization: Stollmann GmbH, D-2000 Hamburg 50, Germany
Keywords: Warsteiner
Originator: he@sup

kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut) writes:
| ('Warsteiner: Eine
| Koenigin unter den Bieren'-- gee, does that make it Germany's answer
| to Budweiser?)

No, it's sort of a pun on "Koenig Pilsener", one of the competitors.
(Koenig = King, Koenigin = Queen, for the non-Germans.)

| It's nice, got quite a sharp, hoppy flavour.

If you like this one, I would suggest trying "Jever Pilsener". It's flavour
is even stronger with a slight tendency to bitterness. My preferred one.
-- 
Helge.Oldach@Stollmann.DE
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From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)
Subject: Re: CA: beers i should drink/avoid
Reply-To: gak@wrs.com
Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc.
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 15:34:06 GMT

In article DFw@m2.dseg.ti.com, jmellby@iluvatar.dseg.ti.com (John R. Mellby) writes:
>In article <Btwpqv.BC7@wrs.com>, gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven) writes:
>|> Here we go...AV beers are foul swill.  I can't even choke one down, and
>|> I've tried and tried.  Lots of people really like it though, so my
>|> advice is give it a try and see what you think.
>
>NoNoNoNo!
>The first bottles of Anderson Valley we had years ago were a little old,
>but friends took a 25-brewpub tour of CA and said Anderson Valley
>(at the source) was the second-best beer that they found.

I thought maybe it would be better fresh at the brewery, but it was just as bad.

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107/H/3&4		werden darf.
From: sjones@hydra3e.cs.utk.edu (Stephen Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Beer
Keywords: Red
Date: 2 Sep 92 17:51:54 GMT
Reply-To: sjones@hydra3e.cs.utk.edu (Stephen Jones)
Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - Department of Computer Science
NNTP-Posting-Host: hydra3e.cs.utk.edu


   While traveling in the West this summer, I stumbled upon a
wonderful draft beer, in Missoula Montana, Richter Red (?sp).
I think it might be brewed in the Seattle area.
 
      Has anyone ever tried this beer?
      Where is it brewed?
      Is it available in a bottled form?

  Any info would be appreciated.

                                  Thanks,
					Stephen Jones.
From:  (Address for Campaign for Real Ale)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Campaign for Real Ale Info
Date: 3 Sep 92 02:38:20 GMT
Followup-To: alt.beer
Organization: Public Macs, Academic Computing, Yale University

the Campaign for Real Ale (CAMRA) is an organization in England dedicated
to keeping small breweries and brewery-run pubs open. They fight
big-brewery takeovers of small breweries. They sponsor the Great British
Beer Festival (which I attended this year), a festival of 300+ beers on tap
from small brewers in and aroung England.
Their address for membership:

CAMRA Limited
34 Alma Road
St. Albans
Herts AL1 3BW.
From: dwv@cs.brown.edu (David W. Vorbrich)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Almaza beer
Date: 26 Aug 1992 22:17:59 GMT
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: delay.cs.brown.edu

I was just visiting my girlfriend down D.C. way, and ran across a bottle of
'Almaza' beer.  We were in a small Greek take out place which sold about 10
types of beer... the Almaza caught my eye because I've started a (meager)
collection of beer bottles, and this one was VERY plain and simple.

Basically, 'Almaza' is brewed and bottled in Beruit, Lebannon... I simply had
to buy the beer just for a bottle from Beruit.  The beer was pretty bland,
typical Bud/Miller/etc in taste.

Doesn't the U.S. have any trade embargoes against Lebannon?  I was amazed to
find a product from Beruit!  Perhaps I'm just ignorant, but I thought this was
strange.

-David V.
 dwv@cs.brown.edu
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