From: memon@acsu.buffalo.edu (Naveed Siraj Memon)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.pakistan
Subject: Re karachi = minipakistan
Date: 9 Apr 92 17:30:02 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: UB


Subject: Re: Karachi.. mini-Pakistan or not

(me)
>>would say Ghaus Ali Shah was right when he said that Karachi is a 
>>mini-Pakistan.  But then he is said to have the IQ of a cucumber.

(imrana)

 >Are n't you contracting your own statement in the above lines with
 >a non-convincing argument. By the way who says that GAS had the IQ
 >of a cucumber, I guess a Ph.D. student with a agriculture major.

You think I was nt aware of the contradiction when I wrote the statement.
What I was thinking in the back of my mind is what is so popular about
GAS and Ex PM Mohammad
Khan Junejo. When they have a meeting with the Pir Pagaro, they take their
shoes off and sit on the floor while  the pir sits in The Chair being
the chief. If that sounds to you an exageration, then it is suffice to say
that when the Pir talks, GAS, and MKJ are supposed to listen. 

I don't see the point about the PhD student. GAS was a ex-justice of Sindh
High court if I am correct. My point about his IQ was more of a joke about his
political loyalty and how his statement about Karachi will keep the MQM happy,
and give Zia the proof that his handpicked puppets were working like he had
planned. MKJ was such a puppet but the puppet got to know too much about get the
carpet pulled from under his feet, literally :)



>>If you ever apply techniques of experimental design on your final
>>validated simulation model, then you may find that if one factor(one
>>race, one linguistic minority) starves of resources(any sort of 
>>resources needed by one group of people) then your simulation
>>model should tell you that your system is quite inefficient.

 >Before developing any simulation model, I guess the first step is
 >to establish the correlation between the different variables. This
 >is the technique I read in my sister's thesis for her master's degree.
 >If we find that there is any correlation between the variable only then
 >we apply the conditions and develop the simulation model. The simulation model
 >only tells you the end result of change in initial conditions not THE
 >STARVATION of resources.

We are getting into the nitty gritty details. I was talking about experimental
design and testing the system at difference levels of factors. Whereas your 
sister is talking about model development. My assumption is that when you
came up with the idea of the simulation model to estimate the behavior, you 
meant that we had a given system, so essentially we were done developing a
model. It is only changing the levels of the factors that I was talking about.
By this stage I better have taken care of the correlation between variables.
The experimental design techniques definitely tells you about the best choice 
for the level of factors. Why are you looking at me like that :) like you
need an example? Ok I guess I could give you one. The simulation model is 
has been designed and tested and it seems to be working for just one set of
factors at one level. One factor was racial-interrelations. Now if I say that
X% of the Muhajirs love the Pathans, and the peformance measure of interest
is the efficiency of Karachi as a liveable city then varying levels of X would
give me an idea or an estimate about the changing values of the city's 
liveability :) definitely within some known limits of X. i.e you can not love
too much :) or is by any chance X turns out to be a negative, (i hope we 
were not using some wierd random generator to create the random variates for
love), then we know there is a curfew in Shah-Faisal Colony.




(imrana)
 >I saw a documentary on PBS
 >where they showed the interviews with the professor in MIT who is doing
 >resarch on simulation model to predict the behavior of world in future
 >years.


Simulation of world geopolitics and wars are the most difficult to verify.
Looks like the prof is just trying to justify his funds from the national
science foundation or trying to accomodate some grads from IIT. Ouch did I 
hear some one on sci scream :) It's a joke people, so just chill. And it is
not too much of a understatement :)

(imrana)
>>Any questions? Comments? Flames? 

>I thought I had written everything in a good taste then why the above comment.
>I leave it to the discretion of the readers to judge.

 >Please don't response to my posting if you persist on writting the above
 >comments.

 What comments?

(me)
>>Huh! I get your point though you are missing one province :) Anyway,
>>if it takes a netter to establish that "we are Pakistanis"  
>>45 years after Pakistan's creation, I guess we have not really grown as
>>people.


 >How long did it take us for us the nation to realize that we got independence
 >from the Britishers? I guess we have not even realize that.You can observe
 >it yourself. We started to celebrate the independence day only recently..
 >I mean when Zia-ul-Haq ordered the nation.

We are talking at different levels of realisation of independence. It would
be better if we take each others opinions and let us not go into any 
further debate about how you and I differ on our perception of Independence.



Naveed