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From: Jeff Adams
Subject: Re: WACOM tablets - sources?
Reply-To: jeffa@wri.com
Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc.
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 14:54:19 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.010240.12319@socrates.umd.edu> ice@socrates.umd.edu  
(Fredrik Nyman) writes:
> Could someone please give me a pointer to a mail-order place
> that sells WACOM tablets?

Just pick up any recent issue of MacUser or MacWorld.  There are always a  
handful of mail order companies there which sell the WACOM tablets.


--------------------------------
Jeff Adams
jeffa@wri.com    
Wolfram Research Inc.
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From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: Yet another confirmation of the demise of the '040 cube (was: Re: keyboard/mouse question)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 03:11:17 GMT

In article <BvpyCs.JKB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B.  
Nicholson-Owens) writes:
> A NeXT announcement states:
> > Because of the advantages of the new ADB keyboard and mouse, NeXT has
> > decided to support this system enhancement across the entire product
> > family.  The NeXTstation, NeXTstation Turbo, NeXTstation Color, 
> > NeXTcube Turbo systems along with the NeXTstation Color Turbo system
> > are now fully compatible with  NeXT's new ADB Keyboard and Mouse. 
> 
> I notice how NeXTcube non-turbo '040 machines are conviently left off
> the list of both being a part of the "entire product family" and being
> able to use ADB  products.

The ADB support is for new machines, ones you are buying today.  When it  
comes to NeXTcubes, you can not buy a new non-Turbo NeXTcube from NeXT  
(regardless of the keyboard option).

> Is there going to be a method by which '040 NeXTcube owners with  
> original MegaPixel monitors and 2nd generation keyboards (not the
> ones shipped with the first NeXTs in existence, and not the most
> recent ADB keyboards, the ones that have the UNIX keys in a bad
> place for UNIX people) can use this ADB connectivity?

I believe the official word (for the moment, at least), is "No".  That's an  
answer that applies to almost every NeXT that was sold before before these  
ADB options were announced.  It is not an answer that is unique to NeXTcube  
systems.  It's just that you can not buy a new (non-Turbo) NeXTcube these  
days, so that was left off the list.

I also believe the unofficial word is "Maybe, if you're willing to spend a  
few hundred bucks".  Not sure where I read that.  NeXTworld, maybe?

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA
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From: samurai@cs.mcgill.ca (Darcy BROCKBANK)
Subject: Re: 40MHz NeXTs?
Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1992 18:25:00 GMT

In article <1992Oct2.234927.14466@muddcs.claremont.edu> wprice@pomona.claremont.edu writes:
>In article <1992Oct2.154830.26459@leland.Stanford.EDU> m@crito.stanford.edu (M  
>Carling) writes:
>> In article <1992Oct1.215859.28568@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>  
>> perkins@spot.Colorado.EDU (PERKINS TYLER R) writes:
>> > I sure don't want to spread misinformation, but I heard a rumour that
>> > NeXT will be comming out with a 40MHz NeXTStation sometime in October.
>> 
>> It's not true.
>> 
>> M Carling
>> Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
>> General Manager, NetForce Inc.
>
>Could you be a little more precise?  I don't want to make an entire purchasing  
>decision based on one guy on the net saying it aint so.  I can wait a month to  
>buy my next NeXT, so if they are bringing a 40 MHZ one out I'd like to know.   
>And can I quote you? ;)
>
>-- Frank


Hey... what about the 68060 due in a few months... ???

- db
From: eht@cmu.edu (Eric Thayer)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: NeXTdimension -- Why so pricey?
Date: 29 Sep 92 13:14:14 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.BvCCrr.4CJ.2
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon

In article <1992Sep28.231657.8482@socrates.umd.edu> ice@socrates.umd.edu  
(Fredrik Nyman) writes:
> 
> So, why are NeXTdimension boards still ~$5,000 even though they don't
> even contain all the wonderful stuff that was promised, such as
> on-board JPEG compression?  Are i860s really *that* expensive?  Are
> there any really fancy things on the ND board that drive up the price?
> 
> Thanks,
> Fredrik

My guess is that they want to keep the NeXTdimension community small so that  
when NeXT comes out with a 32-bit color/alpha solution on the main CPU and  
drops support for the NeXTdimension board (like the OD), there won't be this  
huge outcry.

Time is running out for the DSP56K as well.

..eric
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From: wfp@jupiter.claremont.edu (W. Frank Price III)
Subject: Re: Which CD Players Work?
Reply-To: wprice@pomona.claremont.edu
Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 17:59:07 GMT

In article <1a6braINN31f@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> sasha1@cats.ucsc.edu (Lars Elias  
Pave) writes:
> 
>  
>                                                                                 
>         I remember seeing the question, but not the answer (I checked the  
FAQs) 
> Any information, and experiences would be most helpful on which CD players      
> work with the NeXT.                                                             
>                                                                                 
>                                                                                 
>                                                 Thanks in advance,              
>                                                                                 
>                                                 Sasha Pave                      
>                                                                                 
>                                                 "computers of color"            

Well, I can tell you one thing.  I have the Apple CD 150, and installed 3.0  
from it with no problems.  But it doesn't work with CDPlayer as far as I've  
been able to tell.  I've tried EVERYTHING to get it to work with CDPlayer, so  
I'm so far convinced the drive itself must not work for playing Audio CDs on a  
NeXT.  Too bad.

-- Frank
__________________________________________________________________________
Frank Price               | wprice@pomona.claremont.edu
                          | "Nothing crashes like a Macintosh."
NeXTMail appreciated      |      - Guy Kawasaki
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From: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Subject: Re: DSP Rumor?
Reply-To: gvh@metrosoft.com (Gordon Van Huizen)
Organization: Metrosoft
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1992 05:42:11 GMT

In article <1a0eatINNcs2@agate.berkeley.edu> izumi@pinoko.berkeley.edu  
(Izumi Ohzawa) writes:
> 
> Personally, I believe NeXT should continue to put DSP on every NeXT.
> 
> However, if it has to be left off from the base configuration in
> the future non-68040 machine, please at least make sure that the DSP
> can be added later to every NeXT they ship, and snddriver functions
> work the same way on all the machines.
> 
> I think most would agree that being able to add it when needed is
> very important, even if you don't have an immediate need for it.
> DSP is not something you can connect to the SCSI port.
> 

Well it looks to me that the direction the sound driver (and kit) has  
taken in 3.0 is precisely for this purpose.

I for one wouldn't mind seeing an alternative to the 56001 surface. It's  
not exactly a state of the art DSP chip anymore. Technology is shifting  
too. We're starting to see more general purpose processors that CAN be  
used for high-speed stream oriented operations, and a whole lot more.  
They're even accessible from high-level languages. As long as we can do  
the same THINGS (perhaps even better) I don't care what exact chip it  
happens on. And I personally have an amount invested in code for the  
56001.

I do however think it would be important to maintain a similar hardware  
interface to the processor, since there is already a decent number of  
third-party devices that hook up to it. And a lot of 'em are pretty cool.

Gordon


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From: gadallah@wu2.wl.aecl.ca (Larry Gadallah; B300-1-115; x2603)
Subject: Headless Cubes?
Followup-To: poster
Summary: Can a cube live without a monitor?
Keywords: cube console monitor tty
Organization: AECL Research, Whiteshell Laboratories
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 21:53:21 GMT

(I _did_ look in the latest FAQ before I posted this...)

Does anyone know if a cube can be run without a monitor? I 
saw a note about setting the prom options to allow ttya as
the alternate console. I have already setup a terminal on
ttya and I can login and so on, my question is: Can you
power up and power down the computer using the alternate
console or do you need the monitor to bring up the system?
If the monitor is required to bring up the system, can you
fake out the cube by shorting out the power switch pins with
a 1 k resistor or something like that?

It would be nice if the system would monitor DSR on ttya if there
was no monitor connected. If DSR is up, then power up the system,
if DSR is down, power down the system.

Thanks in advance...


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From: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Subject: Re: 40MHz NeXTs?
Reply-To: jeffo@uiuc.edu (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1992 00:31:23 GMT

PERKINS TYLER R writes
> I sure don't want to spread misinformation, but I heard a rumour that
> NeXT will be comming out with a 40MHz NeXTStation sometime in October.
> It's supposed to be called the "Nitro"!

Sounds sort of like what I heard (minus the Nitro name).  I've heard that NeXT  
will supposedly have 'something good' in the way of new processing hardware and  
I also heard from a Chicago-based NeXT employee that it would be higher MHz  
machines (I don't know upon what chip this would be based).  I can't confirm  
this to not be a rumour (there might have been differences in what the NeXT-rep  
heard, what I heard, what this NeXT-rep meant, etc.)  so basically, even though  
I'm saying that I heard it from someone at NeXT, that isn't something that I'd  
gamble on.  With their track record of promises with hardware (NeXTdimension  
JPEG hardware anyone?) I'm not keen on basing big decisions on NeXT stuff until  
it's actually out.

> A colleague of mine is depending on its validity--postponing a purchase!

I would never recommend or make any buying decisions (given the current  
situation with NeXT turbo machines being readily available) based on news like  
this until it appears in the NeXT hardware catalog and is orderable.  
-- 
-- Jeff (jeffo@uiuc.edu)
-- NeXTmail ok
From: ray@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Ray Lauff)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: V.32bis modem on NeXT serial port slow...
Date: 28 Sep 92 20:18:13 GMT
Organization: Temple University
X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5

I have a 9600 speed modem connected to my NeXT which
works fine at 9600 but will not compress and run at 57,600
as the documentation states.  It seems to me that since I set
the port to 9600 in the /etc/ttys file that it can't send
data any faster.  As a result, when I transfer files I am
getting typical character per second rates of around 650 cps.

How can I take advantage of the 57,600 these 2 modems with
data compression are suppost to get me?  Can i set the
serial port to 57,600??  

I have the excellent document that someone on this list sent
me to describe how to connect it up (thanks!) but it doesn't
address using the high speed option.  Any help appreciated.

Ray
ray@astro.temple.edu
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From: abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell)
Subject: Re: DSP chips are NOT dinosaurs
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest) 
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 19:23:47 GMT

louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes:
> Serial ports don't have to interrupt on every character.  If there
> were a moderately intelligent serial controller, plus DMA support for
> the I/O transfers, then things could be quite zippy, thank you.

The validity of this line of thinking depends on what you're doing.
If your idea of serial port traffic consists of unixy transfers,
DMA'd serial ports are great. But if you're exchanging messages in some
higher-level protocol, such as is often encountered in machine-control apps,
this doesn't work very well. A device like the 8530 used by NeXT will
scratch its nose on Sunday if you ask it to, but that's only with respect
to hardware protocol. It still needs some user-programmable software protocol
smarts to back it up. Adding an 8-bit CPU to back the serial ports would make
serial loads just disappear, as far as the main processor is concerned, for a
far wider class of applications.

There's a cultural issue here that's preventing progress toward really-useful
machines. UNIXy capabilities are very important, but they're not the only
kinds of things people do with computers.

The next insanely-great computer needs to do realtime for real. It will be
built a little differently. It will be programmed a little differently. It
will be a *lot* more useful.

Steve abell@netcom.com
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From: m@crito.stanford.edu (M Carling)
Subject: Re: 40MHz NeXTs?
Reply-To: mcarling@NetForce.com (M Carling)
Organization: DSO, Stanford University
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 15:48:30 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.215859.28568@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>  
perkins@spot.Colorado.EDU (PERKINS TYLER R) writes:
> I sure don't want to spread misinformation, but I heard a rumour that
> NeXT will be comming out with a 40MHz NeXTStation sometime in October.

It's not true.

M Carling
Director, Bay Area NeXT Group
General Manager, NetForce Inc.
--
"High tech is potent, precise, and in the end, unbeatable. The truth is,  
it reminds a lot of people of the way I pitch horseshoes. Would you  
believe some of the people? Would you believe our dog? Look, I want to  
give the high-five signal to high tech."
                          George Bush, 4/25/89
From: paul@nextus.tucson.az.us (Paul Tognato-Haddad)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Re: Two kinds of keyboard? and Who makes the new Trinitron 17" monitor?
Date: 30 Sep 92 04:37:40 GMT
Distribution: world,local

In article <1992Sep29.042553.4122@nimno.wpa.com>  writes:

<lots of neat-stuff deleted>
 
> Q:  How come when I unplug my ADB keyboard and plug it back 
> in, the keyboard is not recognized? 
> A:  This is a function of the ADB interface standard, removing 
> a keyboard while a system is running is not recommended. 
> You will need to re-start your system for it to recognize 
> the keyboard again. 
 
How do we re-start the system if we can't use the keyboard? :^)

--
Paul

Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no  
account be allowed to do the job.
-- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"
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From: jjfeiler@relief.com (John Jay Feiler)
Subject: I need more space!!!!!
Reply-To: jjfeiler@relief.com
Organization: relief consulting
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1992 08:23:26 GMT

Has anyone heard of a board for a cube that would allow the addition of RAM  
above the 64MB/128MB limit imposed by the non-turbo/turbo motherboards?  If  
such a thing exists, I'd like to hear about it.

If no such thing existed, and we decided to build one, would anybody else be  
interested?  How much would you be willing to pay?

	Just curious

		John
From: coullet@piastre.unice.fr (Pierre Coullet)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: IEEE interface
Date: 6 Oct 92 16:22:59 GMT
Organization: University of Nice Sophia-Antipolis
NNTP-Posting-Host: piastre.unice.fr

Hi,

	What is the best system to interface to IEEE on the NeXT (Station  
or Cube) ? Speed ?

Thank you 
Pierre Coullet
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From: eschwart@netcom.Netcom.COM (Eric Schwartz)
Subject: NCSA Telnet v. 2.3
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 92 08:10:31 GMT
Organization: Netcom Online Communications Service
Distribution: comp

I'm trying to hook up a PC XT with an EtherCard PLUS Elite (which includes
a WD8003 driver) to my NeXTstation.  So far I have version 2.3 of NCSA
Telnet installed on the PC, I am running the packet driver, and I have the
coax run from the NeXT to the PC, with terminators in place at each end.

I have no idea what the next step is.  What do I need to tell the NCSA
configuration file (CONFIG.TEL) so that it communicate with the NeXt,
and what should I tell the NeXT?  Do I need to reboot either/both of the
machines?

I've also heard that Sun's PC-NFS is another way to go with this setup,
though NCSA Telnet is all I could find for now.  If anyone can tell me
how to get my current setup working, then how to improve it or upgrade
it to something far superior, please let me know via e-mail.

Thanks,

Eric
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From: louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos)
Subject: Re: DSP chips are NOT dinosaurs
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 22:08:54 GMT

In article <1992Oct1.192347.17114@netcom.com> abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) writes:
>louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes:
>> Serial ports don't have to interrupt on every character.  If there
>> were a moderately intelligent serial controller, plus DMA support for
>> the I/O transfers, then things could be quite zippy, thank you.
>
>The validity of this line of thinking depends on what you're doing.
>If your idea of serial port traffic consists of unixy transfers,
>DMA'd serial ports are great. But if you're exchanging messages in some
>higher-level protocol, such as is often encountered in machine-control apps,
>this doesn't work very well. A device like the 8530 used by NeXT will
>scratch its nose on Sunday if you ask it to, but that's only with respect
>to hardware protocol. It still needs some user-programmable software protocol
>smarts to back it up. Adding an 8-bit CPU to back the serial ports would make
>serial loads just disappear, as far as the main processor is concerned, for a
>far wider class of applications.

This isn't always the case.  If you choose some serial encapsulation
that the 8530 supports (like HDLC), you can arrange to have it
interrupt you and terminate the DMA transfer when it receives an
entire frame.  This should work *better* than the normal UNIXy sort of
transfers.

I'd be very, very happy if this was the case and NeXT also brought out
the TX/RX clocks for the 8530 channels.  You ought to be able to
support a synchronous PPP connection fairly well.

Of course, that assumes that:

	* The DMA channels come back in future hardware

	* NeXT would document the interface for talking to the serial
	controllers, which they have not done in the past.  Note that it
	*is* possible; consider how the MIDI driver works..

It may be simpler to build a box with something like a 68332 or 68340,
an ethernet interface a some mix of low and high performance serial
interfaces.  Talk to it using TCP/IP over the ethernet.

You might actually convince someone to build such a box as long as
they think they have a market for it (e.g., Sun platforms).

louie
From: zeke@esosun.UUCP (James Dehnert)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: New Keyboards and ADB
Date: 30 Sep 92 23:39:08 GMT
Reply-To: zeke@esosun.css.gov.UUCP ()
Organization: Science Applications International Corp., San Diego

************

  NeXT Says,

  Q:   Will the 25Mhz color systems be able to use the new  
  keyboard/mouse?
  A:   There are no plans to support ADB keyboards for non-Turbo color
  systems until sometime next year.


***********

  Well, perhaps this time some of us will NOT be left out.  All next has
to do is make a soundbox kit for the oldr Color and Mono systems and
then we too can take advantage of the ADB.  Having seen the layout of
the new keyboard all I can say is I like my origonal layout alot better!
 But then again, I have never used the new one, it may be great, I
dunno.  If NeXT is really on the ball they could make a soundbox with
connectors for both the ADB and the old keyboards on it.  I for one
would love to take advantage of the ADB.  Mabey someone will port some
of the microprose games over ( or anything else you like ).

  I just hope NeXT comes through and makes a sound box ADB upgrade klit
for owners of the old style computers, both mono and color.


  I don't suppose anyone at NeXT would care to comment on this?
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From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Cheap dot matix printers, anyone?
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1992 01:11:07 GMT

With the two dotmatrix drivers (ibm proprinter and Epson), has anyone actually  
tried a cheap 'clone' printer on the NeXT?  I have a NeXTprinter here, but  
would like to put a cheap printer beside the more remote networked NeXT so  
local hardcopy can be gotten when draft quality is enough.

Any advice welcome!



Jim De Arras
jmd@cube.handheld.com
From: curt@doumi.ucr.edu (Curt Burgess)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: > 17" monochrome monitors
Date: 5 Oct 92 00:34:26 GMT


A friend of mine is about to take the NeXT plunge and wants to know
if there is available a monitor larger than the usual 17" that would 
work on the NeXTstation Turbo.  He'd like something like a 21" 
monochrome.  He isn't interested in spending the money for the 
larger color monitors.  

Please direct replies directly to him (clark@ucrac1.ucr.edu or
clark@ucrvms.bitnet).  He doesn't check News regularly.

Thank you.
--
   Dr. Curt Burgess, Cognitive Psychology Program
   Department of Psychology, Univ Calif-Riverside
   Internet: curt@doumi.ucr.edu  <<< NeXT mail ok
   Bitnet: curt@ucrvms       AT&T: (714) 787-2392
From: hybowie@sunvis2.vislab.olemiss.edu (Randy Bowie)
Subject: my powersupply request
Organization: Mississippi Center for Supercomputing Research
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1992 18:34:51 GMT

Alas, I was wrong in my request for powersupply info.
the 4 lines seem to have nothing to do with power, which comes via the backplane.  I popped a cube open and took a looksee.  what are those 4 lines of solder for anyhow?  the NeXTDimension has 6 of 'em i think, and they hook up to nothing.

back on the PS q, any reason not to use a PC PS?

-Yer ever-lovin pal,
Reagen B. Ward
(PLEASE REPLY TO ward@hydra.cche.olemiss.edu and NOT to this address)
From: P1871@vmcms.csuohio.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.hardware
Subject: Printing to an Epson LQ510
Date: 6 Oct 92 18:29:00 GMT
Organization: CSU

I will soon be receiving a Next workstation and I was wondering if there
is any way I can still do draft prints to my Epson LQ510 printer?  Final
copies will be printed on a shared Next laser.  But in terms of
convenience and personal productivity I am reluctant to give up the
convenience of an office printer.  Any solutions or ideas?
 
Ellen M. Quinn,
Information Services Librarian
Cleveland-Marshall College of Law Library
Please send replies to:  ellenq@inca.law.csuohio.edu
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