From: tpang@fraser.sfu.ca (Tsui Ting Debbie Pang)
Subject: Re: The Emplant Ordeal.
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 06:28:53 GMT

simon@ivem.ucsd.edu (Simon Lee) writes:
>I don't think it's bad to post problems about a product.  In fact, I'd rather
>see such posts, because it makes me aware of the product.  The thing is, too

I did one post concerning the plausibility of implementing some of the features
of Emplant, such as how to make the II Roms run on 68000, how to dither the
24bit palette from the ColorQuickDraw routines, and how easy it is to run
the Mac emulation multitasking with AmigaDOS, especially without an MMU, etc
etc, etc. But while this fits into legitimate possible 'problems', there are
only a few answers. It seems the netters are more concern about the release
date than anything else. I was disappointed nobody was willing to discuss the
technical features at that time (which was not too long ago).

>many people just complain and argue about something to a public that can't
>help them.  If they want to make us aware of problems, then just do that.  No
>need to whine and gripe.  Every product will have its faults, but making them
>known is much more helpful than ranting and raving about the problem to the
>general public, since we can't do a thing for them.  Are we supposed to

If you have been directing this subject to me all along, I'd like to clear
up a few things again. Originally I posted about the technical problems,
as I stated above, not many replies. The posts I did which got a few replies
saying I said 'dumb', 'childish', negative and sarcastic things, which lead
to this distorted thread. If I don't clear this up, readers who did not read
the earlier posts would think I was the bitching and whining one who did not
buy but wouldn't stop. No, I was not, at least not the only one, why all
the pointers to my direction, I didn't understand. Here is what I have said
so far:

I was not complaining, whining, bitching about Emplant, UU or Jim Drew.
I was rebutting (complaining) on one guy's complaints that others should
not complain about UU or Jim Drew, unless for those who have paid for Emplant.
Because I was disagreeing on his double standards, I had to mention why
Emplant/Jim Drew/UU were drawing so many complaints, including their track
record, delays, pulled off features, etc. I did not say all these myself,
it's the many many other netters who posted complaints about the things
, and I was merely almost quoting from them. Why don't you direct the
pointers to them and ask them why they whine/bitch/complain?

Again, I have not complained about UU, etc directly, not like many others
have on the net. I do not need these scapegoating. I was only commenting
on one guy's comment about other complaints.

>sympathize and give them money?  A lot of these complainers don't even own
>the product.  They read other people's posts, hear their problems and then
>complain for the people who owns an Emplant or whatever.  Most of the owners
>of Emplant have been pretty calm, with some exceptions, but the main culprits
>are those who don't even own it.

If you are the one who said only those who have paid for the Emplant have
rights to complain (I started to remember now), ok, fine. Let's hear from
others and see if the majority agrees with you more or I. I think this is
like arguing for arguing's sake, and we are (myself included) wasting
bandwidth (as I am doing now, I can't help it). I am feeling guilty that
I posted a disagreement with one/two posters' views and got all these
arguing/flaming going on, I feel I shouldn't have done the original
rebuttal. So I am not going to be 'culprits' anymore, and refraining from
wasting bandwidth. Anything concerning my comments should go to my
mailbox. And no matter how much I disagree on your point on the net,
I am not going to post anymore on this subject. Just let's say Simon has
been right all along, and let's go on to other things.

>>Simon, do you know Oleg at AMUG at UCSD? :)
>I think so.  Does he have an accent?

He slips out the Russian accent off and on. Michelle and Scott are my
friends, and I know Richard, Mike (?), etc. I have been to your meetings
too. I owe it to AMUG at UCSD which helped out the SDSUAUG Amiga booth
at last year's Computer Fair at SDSU. I wonder if we have met.
Or there is something about me personally, Simon? :)
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>*   Simon Lee              *   Microscopy and Imaging Resource          *
>*   simon@ivem.ucsd.edu    *   Intermediate Voltage Electron Microscopy *
>*   sulee@ucsd.edu         *   UC San Diego, Dept. of Neuroscience      *
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