HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: Steven.Wells@bbs.actrix.gen.nz
Subject: Re: ZOO/ZIP/ARC/LZH - why not ARJ?
Organization: Actrix Information Exchange
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1992 23:11:26 GMT

> The test was on :  34 files, 231065 bytes uncompressed
> 
>      Method    Size compressed   Time to decompress
>      ------    ---------------   ------------------ 
>        LZH        109900 bytes    38.5 sec
>        LZH v5      88268          43.9
>        ARC        129045          39.5
>        ZIP        110628          25.2
>        ZOO         89462          40.7
>        ARJ         87812          26.4

Pretty impressive!  Very impressive in fact!  So, someone port ARJ to
the ST!! :)
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From: whitcomb@aurs01.UUCP (Jonathan Whitcomb)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: DSP sampling rates
Date: 11 Sep 92 19:48:22 GMT
Reply-To: whitcomb@aurxc3.aur.alcatel.com.UUCP (Jonathan Whitcomb)
Organization: Alcatel Network Systems, Raleigh NC

In article <2250287@overmind.citadel> only_bbs!JOHN_LOCKARD@overmind.mind.org writes:
[Round about desription of the Nyquist sampling theorem deleted]
   
> That's why to get the 35KHz wave that the human ear is supposed  
> to detect you need at least 100KHz or more to reproduce the sound.  

Are you sure you don't mean canine ear?  The human ear at best hears up
to 20KHz, and the typical adult hearing range is up to about 14KHz.
Besides, to reproduce a 35KHz waveform from samples all you really need
is a 70KHz sampling rate.  Hell, CD's are sampled around 44KHz!
**********************************************************************
Jonathan Whitcomb                    UUCP: <whitcomb%aurgate@mcnc.org>
Alcatel Network Systems              Delphi: JBWHIT
Raleigh, NC                          GEnie: J.WHITCOMB3
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: FZDT (was Re:Shadowterm II)
From: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz (Craig Shore)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 16:27:58 +1200
Reply-To: craig@yonder.equinox.gen.nz
Organization: Equinox Networks, ChCh, New Zealand * Private Node: Yonder
Keywords: New Version?
X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.03 Rev. Apr 14 1992

In <1992Aug30.174511.13276@mits.mdata.fi>, Rasmus Paetau writes:

>>Most of the chaps that I know that use FDT tell me that its still full of
>>bugs..
>
>Well, it has bugs, I mean it bombs sometimes (ex. when you load a
>program that doesn't release all memory when quitting), but it's
>definetly not full of bugs. I can live with it.

Very few bugs actually, it goes fine for me when I use it.

I hear that there is a new version (2.20) out now, does anyone
 here have it? If so, could you FTP it to a.a ?

 Craig.


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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: naffara@crc.ac.uk (Dr. N.A. Affara)
Subject: Falcon
Organization: MRC Human Genome Resource Centre
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1992 15:28:22 GMT

One quick question first...
Does anyone know if there is an atari emulator for the Archimedes?
A rather strange question and I suspect nobody here will know. Is there a 
group for arc's?

Having heard all this discussion about the Falcon and what it can't and can do
I thought I'd let you know what I think. 

I am not really into music (well, not at all actually...) but the sound for the
Falcon seem quite good. It should make games more interesting if nothing else.
At the moment I have got a 520STFM (2.5 meg) and that's it. I am just starting
to do lots of desktop publishing (a newsletter and college work). Working with
Timeworks 2 from 1 floppy is getting a bit much (to say the least!) and my 
younger brother is always trying to play games.

So, I started looking for another second hand ST and a hard drive. Then I heard
of the Falcon. The 4 meg version with hard disk sounds just like what I am 
looking for but it will probably be right on the limit of my budget.

A few questions about the Falcon....

Will software from the ST work with the Falcon? (Specifically Timeworks 2 and
games)

Will this software run any faster (what it actually feels like rather than 
numbers please) and will it use the DSP or other extras or does it have to be
rewritten?

When can I get one and how much will it be (:>)?

And now some thoughts on Atari...

I agree with the fact that Atari could do with more (any?) advertising. But 
when I thought about it, and saw some of those posts from amiga owners, I 
realised that I hadn't seen any advertising for any make of computer.
Maybe everyone's got the same problem...

Atari may not be the best company but I don't think they are the worst. 
_Personally_ I would much rather have an Atari than a (games console with 
keyboard) Amiga.
If I do upgrade to anything else it will be a Archimedes which we use at work.
(It will not be a PC either, I can't stand them!)
Archimedes are a big step up in price though.

I wish there was more shops which stock Atari stuff. (Maybe the ST's are being
phased out and replaced by Falcon and TT 030+040's?)

Sorry about the length of this post.
Phil
(E-mail naffara@uk.ac.crc)

-- 
Kryten (When Cat says why don't we raise the defensive shields?) "A superlative
suggestion sir,with only two drawbacks: one,we don't have any defensive shields
and two,we don't have any defensive shields.I know that,technically,that's only
one drawback,but it was such a big one I thought I'd mention it twice".
From: selick@csa.bu.edu (Steven Selick)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Perfpich.tos & zip 2.0 sea
Date: 8 Sep 92 18:42:51 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA
Originator: selick@csa


Well, I just downloaded my perfpich.tos program from a.a in /new, and I
unpacked it with the stzip20.tos program that was recently uploaded, and
it worked just fine. The sea works as a sea or a regular zip archive.
The only thing is you need the new zip on your unix machine to unpack
it.
-Steve <selick@csa.bu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: PAULETTI@biel.be.tech.ascom.ch (Pauletti Andreas)
Subject: Re: Mint emacs 18.58, where to find?
Organization: Ascom Tech Ltd., Corporate Services, Division for Research 
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1992 10:09:52 GMT
X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.11

In <MUTS.92Sep13113020@ruunfs.fys.ruu.nl> muts@fysap.fys.ruu.nl writes:

> Hello,
> 
> I remember that some weeks (?) ago someone announced availability of a
> new version of emacs for mint, 18.58. I cannot find it in any archive
> however. Is it available, and if so, could anyone tell me where?
> 

Yes you can find it at

   FTP : archive.cs.ruu.nl (131.211.80.17)
or e-amil : mail-server@cs.ruu.nl

   File : ATARI-ST/gnu/emacs

To dump and run EMACS set environment variable EMACSLOADPATH to e-lisp
directory NOT e-bin and add NO slash at the end of the path.

cheers andreas pauletti
From: wabe@ukc.ac.uk (W.A.B.Evans)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: help : several files with the same name in Gulam
Date: 15 Sep 92 21:45:44 GMT
Reply-To: wabe@ukc.ac.uk (W.A.B.Evans)
Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK.

In article <39889@imag.imag.fr> maraninx@imag.fr (Florence Maraninchi) writes:
>
>I have a problem with gulam.
>Sometimes I have several files with the same name. 
>ls gives exactly the same information for all of
>them. When I remove one, the other ones remain.
>Some of the programs I run under gulam seem to know about
>one file only.
>
>It happens with an editor and a Lisp interpreter.

	I have noticed a similar phenomenon - but, in my case, it usually
arises after I've packed some executable with the ICE-Packer. The packed
files occasionally (not always!) become undeleteable and if you do an "ls"
command in Gulam you see more than one identically named file. I have often
had to resort to the use of DLII to delete these files!!  I'm not
convinced that this is a GULAM problem - it could be a TOS problem or
indeed something peculiar about the way the ICE Packer writes out its
packed executables. I have noticed this duplication often on RDY ramdisks
but it does happen on normal floppies also.

	When there is duplicity of files, GULAM usually finds the earliest
in the directory listing. This is usually not the most recent. If you can
delete this then, next time, GULAM will find the correct file.

    Explanations gratefully solicited.	Cheers,	W. Alan B. Evans
						[ wabe@ukc.ac.uk ]
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: brayl@nyx.cs.du.edu (Bill Rayl)
Subject: Re: Atari Conference at CIS 09/08
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither
	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 92 06:08:39 GMT


Just to add a litle more info to Ana's message:

Bill Rehbock will be "speaking" in the CompuServe Convention Center
at 8:30 PM (Eastern) on Tuesday Sept.8.  To attend, just type GO
CONVENTION at any ! prompt.  Ron Luks, Atari Forums Manager, has made
special arrangements for a discount of 50% for this event!  IT's one
CO you don't want to miss!

                 Pattie Rayl (Atari Interface)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk (Adam Pelled)
Subject: Re: / man confusion.
Reply-To: apelled@cix.compulink.co.uk
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 22:11:00 +0000


In article <1992Sep08.205732.5916@convex.com>, rosenkra@convex.com (William Rosenkranz) writes:
>
>i will upload a version of nroff to atari archive that does deal with
>fonts. i fear u may be using an old version of nroff (or macro package).
>look for file "nroff12b.zoo" in atari.archive.umich.edu:~ftp/atarist/new
>in the next day or two. note that this nroff is a reasonable subset of
>unix nroff but it lacks some key features. nroff12b.zoo will be binary
>only (with docs, macros, etc). basically what i use now.

    Many thanks.

>you will also need manpager to view the formatted documents. i posted
>a man program and someone else did as well (recently). u should be able
>to set the PAGER environment variable to manpager and have it work. note
>that this ONLY works with monochrome now (unless u make a set of fonts
>for med rez and rebuild manpager - source for nroff, manpager, and man
>has been posted).

    The only reason i pulled it back out of archive was that i have aquired
a monochrome monitor. Looks good, i can do 'man man' and the 'fun' fonts.
The ability to do integrals and Greek characters etc is especially interest-
ing.

>i also understand that someone is finishing a port of GNU groff to the
>ST. this should do everything (but then again it will undoubtedly be HUGE).
>that's the basic tradeoff. i wrote nroff basically to handle manpages
>and simple -ms documents (no tbl, eqn, pic, graph, etc). groff has all
>of these.

    Adam.
From: sjg@dogmatix.ph.kcl.ac.uk (Simon Gornall)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: ftp access within the UK
Date: 14 Sep 92 13:20:57 GMT
Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site
X-Posted-From: dogmatix.ph.kcl.ac.uk
X-Posted-Through: sol.ctr.columbia.edu


The site src.doc.ic.ac.uk is now mirroring the atari.archive site in the USA. The entire
directory tree is contained within the directory computing/systems/atari/umich. 

According to archie, src.doc is now the largest archive in the world, and STILL growing
at a fast rate ....

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From: joeadato@tcpbbs.pcn.org (Joseph Adato)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Double Klick Software Adresse wanted!!
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 92 01:23:01 EDT
Organization: TCP BBS, Cleveland, Ohio

> >I'm lookin' for the Email adress of  double klick software, i.e., Mr. Vederm
> >I tried to send a mail to uace0@menudo.uh.edu but that acacount was expired.
> >

I don't think so since they've been leaving messages all over the place
stating that they're looking for bata testers for a new program they're
thinking of releasing.  By the way the name of the company is;

                                DC Software
        DC stands for Double Click, not Double Klick....

Just thought you'd like to know.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: cs311113@umbc8.umbc.edu (cs311113)
Subject: Sigh...
Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1992 16:17:28 GMT

I used to read comp.sys.atari.st to get news, but lately it seems I have been
wasting my time.  And to think people used to actually discuss things about
atari ST machines in here too...

Perhaps a base comp.sys.atari.st.flame could be created so that those with 
their insecurities and too much free time on their hands could go and play,
and leave the rest of us here with intelligent conversation, not "I would
never get a Falcon.. atari sucks.." type talk.  Hm..
From: anamr@cats.ucsc.edu (Ana M Rodriguez)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Atari Conference at CIS 09/08
Date: 8 Sep 92 04:55:48 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
NNTP-Posting-Host: am.ucsc.edu



Log into the Atari Conference 09/08/92 Tues.  Time: 8:30 Eastern

1:30 GMT...
 
CIS is running 50% off reduction on time during this Conference.
 
Bill Rehbock, head of Falcon development shall be at the keyboard.
 
He will report on any technical elements about the Falcon!
 
See you there...
Organization: Junior, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Tek terminal emulation program?
From: rlcollins@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins)
Date: 6 Sep 92 14:54:45 -0500
Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"

In article <LMH.92Sep6003506@luke.lcs.mit.edu>, lmh@medg.lcs.mit.edu writes:
> Does anyone know if there exist any terminal emulation program for the
> ST/TT that does Tek terminal emulations?

     Uniterm does some. (You can find it at Atari.archive)

Later.......

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Xref: sparky comp.sys.atari.st:13820 rec.audio:12553 sci.skeptic:16486
From: bill@bilver.uucp (Bill Vermillion)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,rec.audio,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: sampling and human hearing range (was Re: (none))
Date: 15 Sep 92 13:34:48 GMT
Organization: W. J. Vermillion - Winter Park, FL

In article <y031qB1w165w@tsoft.sf-bay.org> bbs.ruscal@tsoft.sf-bay.org (Russel Mar) writes:

>HOWEVER, there is a reason for a DAT recorder to be able to record at 
>44.1kHz;  That is so that if you are making a "Master" tape to be 
>transferred to CD media (For your first Gold album :)), the DAT stereo 
>master can be digitally transferred to CD without going thru the analog 
>A/D and D/A converters in the playback and recording decks.

There are digital standards conversion units to transcode from various
sampling rates to any desired rate without going through an analog
process.  Good CD mastering labs do this regularly.


-- 
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: michael@dime.cs.umass.edu (Michael Kieras)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: superior designs? (was Re: Falcon Graphics)
Date: 4 Sep 92 23:28:45 GMT
Reply-To: michael@dime.cs.umass.edu (Michael Kieras)
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst

In article <1992Sep4.151149.8953@newshost.lanl.gov> hutch@bellman.lanl.gov writes:
>I think the Falcon should indeed be superior to the LCII (even disregarding the
>Falcon's vastly superior sound capabilities) but then again, there is that huge
>software base for the Mac made possible because Apple _advertises_!

It all depends on what you mean by superior.  Even ignoring the issues of
hardware capabilities and software availability, there's aesthetics to
consider.  Without looking at any other features, I know that I don't want
a Falcon because of its "everything in one unit" design.  I used a 1040
for a couple of years, and I hated the fact that it cluttered my desk with
cables, was difficult to move around to type at different angles because
of those same cables, that I needed something else to prop my monitor
on to get it above the computer, and that the keyboard just plain sucked.
Sure, they made it all in one because it kept the cost down.  Too bad; I
don't care how inexpensive something is if it's aggravating to work with.

If I didn't have my Mega, with the separate keyboard (and a tactile feel
that's orders of magnitude better than the 1040) and the main unit which
let's me throw all of the cables behind my desk, I wouldn't even have an
ST now.

>As a developer, I'm just curious... how many folks in this newsgroup actually do
>intend to buy a Falcon when (and if) they become readily available at say, about
>US$799 for a 1Mb, _no_ hard drive model (which will _not_ multitask in this 
>configuration)?  How much will a 4Mb, 65Mb HD model cost?  Atari has not released
>pricing info yet but if $799 is about right for the low end, we would surely be
>talking about $1299 or so, don't you think?  And you'll also need a VGA monitor.
>
>So how many _really_ intend to buy one?

Not me.  Barring unforseen circumstances, I don't expect I will ever buy
another Atari computer.  I am comfortable with my current system (thanks
to MiNT), but there have been too many times that software was available
for most other systems that didn't exist for the ST (e.g. raytracers and
_good_ word processors, both of which are now available for the ST).


michael@cs.umass.edu

	"Yes, ma-gic hel-met...and I'll give you a sam-ple!"
				-E. Fudd
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: muocj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Olivo Contreras)
Subject: Re: Where can I post Portfolio requests?
Organization: Educational Computing Network
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1992 19:54:21 GMT

In article <11SEP92.08525936@cc4.crl.aecl.ca> csullogg@cc4.crl.aecl.ca writes:
>I have posted two requests for info on the Portfolio and they have not
>made it to this net mailing. Where can I post questions about the Portfolio?

Try comp.sys.palmtops and comp.sys.handhelds.  I've seen postings from
several Atari Portfolio owners there.

Olivo Contreras Jr.
muocj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu
muocj@ecnuxa.bitnet
From: clint@artech.UUCP (Clinton Keith)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Thank you Darek for your support of the ST
Date: 4 Sep 92 15:25:53 GMT
Organization: Applied Remote Tech., San Diego

In article <1216@tekgen.bv.tek.com>, boblu@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Robert Luneski) writes:
> What follows is a message posted by Darek Mihocka to comp.sys.mac.misc,

> ->The $799 Falcon, who cares! Atari has a long history of announcing vaporware
   ...
> ->Their most recent blunders include the Atari TT (the crippled 68030 machine
   ...
> ->So, once again Atari has shot themselves in the foot by releasing an overpriced
> ->piece of technology that's already obsolete because they took so long to
> ->release it.
> 
> ->Give me a few months to
> ->add 68030 emulation and you'll have yourself a Falcon emulator.
> ->- Darek
> Thankyou very much Darek for promoting the ST in such a positive light to other
> computer owners.  Your sincere efforts to develop software that realizes the 
> full capabilities of the ST and to share your love and respect for the 
> machine with the world are greatly appreciated.  They are sure to result
> in a healthy growing ST community.
> 

Darek has a vested interest in seeing that as few people as possible continue to
buy Atari equipment.  He has produced a PC product, and he'd like to sell it
to as many people as he can.  Who is he going to sell this too?  People that
are switching over to the PC from Atari who whould still like to use some
of their old ST software.  If they go over to the Falcon instead of a PC, he
loses business. 

Let the buyer beware.  If you think Atari claims and service are bad, be prepared
for worse with this guy.  You don't have to conduct a survey to find plenty of
people who have been burned by him.  He's bailed on Atari.  He's sold his Quick
ST software rights to Codehead, and is a PC developer now.
                                                                 
                                                         
                                                       
                                                            
                                                         
                                               
                                                   
                                                         

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
From: C556212@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Jeoff Hines)
Subject: Re: Sigh...
Organization: University of Missouri
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 11:09:18 CDT

I have to agree with your observation.  Things are a bit out of hand here.
It won't do any good to start complaining about people who complain too much,
but I would like to ask some of you posters in this are to take your personal
grievances elsewhere.  This area is meant for converstion, not bitching.
From: ucacmsu@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Stephen R Usher)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st
Subject: Re: Why no floppy port on the Falcon??
Date: 10 Sep 92 09:28:28 GMT
Distribution: world,local
Organization: Bloomsbury Computing Consortium, London

In article <1992Sep9.222135.1@violet.ccit.arizona.edu> dtarico@violet.ccit.arizona.edu writes:
>Can anybody give a good reason why the Falcon would not have an external
>floppy drive port?  If not, I think it is really stupid that they left it
>off.  They immediately make the Spectre GCR (in it's current form) 
>incompatible by doing so.  I also have an external HD drive that I would
>like to be able to use.  Unless there is some good reason for leaving off
>the floppy drive port, I think this was a pretty stupid move.  It seems
>like a simple option to include.  Hasn't it been included in all previous
>ST(e) and TT models?  

I think there is a very good reason.. not enough space on either the back of
the machine or the circuit board.

From the photos I've seen of the Falcon's internals they are pretty crammed
as it is!

Would you prefer a floopy port to the SCSI2 interface, or would you like not
to be able to have an internal hard drive?

In this small a machine everything is a compromise.

>-- 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         Doug Tarico                      
>    dtarico@ccit.arizona.edu         Where's it gonna get you when
>      doug@sie.arizona.edu               your time comes up?
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Steve
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