HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: caw@cs.brown.edu (Christopher A. Wood)
Subject: Re: Memories of baseball
Organization: Brown Computer Science Dept.
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 14:33:20 GMT

...And these are my best Yankees memories...

1.  Chris Chambliss' dramatic 9th inning home run in the 1976 ALCS to win it
for the Yankees.  I was too young to remember the details now, but from seeing
it on tape since then, it was pretty exciting!  Those late 70's were great,
it seemed like every year ended up with the Yankees, Royals, Dodgers, and Reds
or Phillies making the playoffs... In fact, I think that was exactly the case
from '76-'78.  I think it will be quite a while before something like that
happens again, if at all.

2.  Of course, the Yankees' one-game playoff in 1978 vs. the hated Red Sox.
Everybody remembers Bucky Dent's homerun, but what I remember first is the
final out--A foul pop near third base that seemed to take forever to come
down, Graig Nettles catching it, jumping up and down while his teammates
jumped all over each other.  A truly great moment.

3.  I think it was 1983, when the Yankees were battling the Orioles into 
September for the top spot in the division.  Baltimore came to NY for a four
game series, leading the division by 2 games.  The first night was a double
header, and I was lucky enough to have bought tickets a couple of months in
advance (I go to about one game per year, so I try to pick the good ones). 
It was probably 85 degrees that night, and our seats were in the upper deck,
so it seemed much hotter than that.  The Stadium was sold out and it was
the largest regular season crowd to date.  The Yankees were winning the first
game 4-3 going into the 9th inning.  Details are kind of fuzzy at this point,
but the O's loaded the bases and at some point Gossage came in to try to nail
down the victory.  Unfortunately, he gave up a grand slam which cost the
Yankees the game, and they never recovered, losing the nightcap and never
getting close to the O's in the standings again.

4.  In 1985, the Yankees were now battling the Blue Jays for the division lead.
They were again behind by something like 2 or 3 games going into a four game
series against Toronto in NY.  Again, the Stadium was sold out for the first
game, on a Thursday night, and this was my game to attend that year.  During
the Canadian National Anthem, all you could hear were boos echoing throughout
the Stadium (ah, New York fans, gotta love 'em!).  The Yankees were behind 4-3
going into the bottom of the seventh when they got two men on base and Ron 
Hassey hit a home run into the upper deck in right field.  I have never felt
so much excitement at a baseball game as when the ball landed in the seats.
The Yankees went on to win 7-5 I think.  Unfortunately, I remember watching
the next three games of the series on TV, and the Yankees lost them all.
Damn Jays.

Sadly, we really haven't had such excitement in recent years, but I think
(and hope) we're almost there again... And whenever it happens, Yankee fans
are going to explode.

-- Chris

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From: Bob Gajarsky <gajarsky@pilot.njin.net>
Subject: computer baseball games?
Organization: Indiana University
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 0:32:26 EDT

Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Distribution: na
Subject: Baseball computer games on the market?


Hi.  At some point in my life, I'd like to make my ow computer
 baseball game.  Now, at this point, i don't have the ability
 to do it (either from a time standpoint, or knowledge
 of the graphics that would be necessary).  anyhow...

what aspects are necessary on a good computer game?  i'm just curious,
 for any information....i know how i like a simplistic table baseball
 game, ie, strat.
- bob gaj
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From: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Subject: Re: Canada 6 New York 1
Reply-To: m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu (Michael L. Le Houllier)
Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.
Distribution: na
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 92 16:48:39 GMT

In article <4dvZwX600WBNQ=jYQE@andrew.cmu.edu> King-Han Yao <ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>P.S.  It seems that everybody hates New York (the city, the teams, their
>people), more than any other city.  This seems to be a form of
>complement to most New Yorkers, including me.
>
I have no love for New York.  I grew up in Montreal, and I sort of had
a hatred of the Mets bred into me.  :)

>
>-------------
>King Yao                       
>Economics 
>Class of '92                   
>Carnegie Mellon 
>


-- 
 Michael Le Houllier           *  John 3:16  * Nov 12, 1991 - Dili      
 (m_lehoul@oz.plymouth.edu.us) *  Remember: June 4, 1989 - Beijing
 Go BLUE JAYS  9-1    Mop up the Yanks, bring on the Slop Sox.
 April 17 and we get 8 inches of snow.  Welcome to spring... NOT!!!
From: jmck@druhi.ATT.COM (McKenzieJD)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Cardinal Club Caravan
Date: 13 Apr 92 21:42:56 GMT
Distribution: rec

Add me to the list:

Jeff McKenzie		jmck@druhi.ATT.COM		CO
From: wrigley@milton.u.washington.edu (Bob Ennes)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: TRADE RUMOR:  Mariners/Brewers
Date: 9 Apr 92 14:49:39 GMT
Organization: University of Washington

In article <1992Apr09.032045.157812@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, amr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ANTHONY MICHAEL RUTCH) writes:
> 
> Report of the local newspaper in the Lehigh Valley has reported that Seattle
> catcher Dale Valle is going to the Brewers for 6 foot 5 inch David Rossing.
> Rossing, in AA ball, is expected to be possibly with the team by September.
> Last year, he hit 29 HR"s and 95 RBI's and batted .316.  Baseball magazine has
> reported him to be one of the top prospects of the rookie crop this year.

I doubt this, since the Mariners just released Scott Bradley in order to carry
11 pitchers.  I don't think they're counting on Matt Sinatro to be their every
day catcher, but, then again, they've done some pretty strange things. (Bradley
was acquired in a trade for Ivan Calderon).

Bob
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Blue Jays vs. Red Sox
Date: 9 Apr 92 01:13:46 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <1992Apr8.190501.27492@sni.ca> dave@snitor.UUCP (Dave Till) writes:
>As an exercise, I performed your comparison by fielding position rather
>than lineup position:
>
>C  Borders/Myers vs. Pena	Advantage Toronto
>1B Olerud vs. Vaughn		Advantage Toronto (until Vaughn proves himself)
>2B Alomar vs. Reed		Advantage Toronto
>SS Lee vs. Rivera		Advantage Boston
>3B Gruber vs. Boggs		Advantage Boston
>LF Carter vs. Greenwell	Advantage Toronto
>CF White vs. Burks		Advantage Toronto (unless White crashes and
>						Burks rebounds)
>RF Plantier vs. Bell/Maldonado	Advantage Boston
>DH Winfield vs. Clark		Advantage Boston
>
>When you do it *this* way, it's much closer.

I've already discussed CF and LF, where I think Boston has a 
sizable advantage.  It's not "much closer" unless you consider the
difference between Olerud and Vaughn (slim) to be equal to the difference
between Boggs and Gruber.  First base is close to a tossup.  Left and
center field are very debatable -- if you use 1988, 1989, or 1990 stats,
Boston wins these two spots hands down.  The only large Toronto advantage
is at second base, and Jody Reed isn't a slouch there, even in an off-season
like 1991. 
-- 
Ted Frank          + "A word is not a crystal, transparent and unchanged, it
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  is the skin of a living thought and may vary greatly in
U o' C Law Skool   +  color and content according to the circumstances and
Chi, IL 60637      +  the time in which it is used."  --  Holmes
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From: zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell)
Subject: Re: Cubs Win! Cubs Win! Cubs Win!
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 04:10:23 GMT

cubsfan@camelot.bradley.edu (Michael Silverman) writes:

>An opening day win - how wonderful!

>Maybe we have a closer in McElroy; he look really sharp K-ing three
>Phillies in a row with called thrid strikes.

I only saw the third(?) inning, the one where Scott dropped the ball, the
Phillies ended up scoring two runs, etc.  I was really having my doubts about
the trade, the season, and the Cubs.  I must say it sure was a nice
suprise to hear they won. There's hope
Joe

-- 
zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu  *   Holy Cow! Ryne Dawston hits another homerun!
RotcMan                *      -Harry Carry after a dozen too many Buds
Cubs in '93!!!!!!!!    *              
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From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Pitchers that batters hate to face (was Re: Henderson vs. Ryan)
Date: 16 Apr 92 17:16:02 GMT
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

In article <205013@unix.cis.pitt.edu> dtate@unix.cis.pitt.edu (David M Tate) writes:
>In article <1992Apr15.235744.22816@panix.com> spira@panix.com (Greg "Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life" Spira) writes:
>>But beingg a pitcher who scares hitters is
>>not the same thing as being a succesful pitcher.  Hitters generally don't
>>want to face pitchers who throw really hard (Bobby Witt, e.g.) or really
>>weird (Sid Fernandez, e.g.).  But that's a measure of how uncomfortable
>>the hitter is against the pitcher, not how good the pitcher is.
>
>This is an interesting point.  For example, I've heard a number of hitters
>who played in the '50s say that Ewell Blackwell was absolutely the last
>pitcher on earth that they would ever want to bat against.  Now, Blackwell
>was good, but not for very long, and not *that* good.  But he was sheer hell
>on right(?)-handed batters, coming sidearm with serious heat that looked like
>it was coming from the the third base bag right through your ear.

I agree here, "hate to face" is a measurement of ability to embarrass, not
ability to pitch/hit.  For years in the eighties, NL pitchers said that
Bob Horner was the one batter that they most hated to face.  
-- 
Ted Frank          + "Question whether attorney's filing claim for 'stud fee'
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  as countersuit to paternity action was improperly
U o' C Law Skool   +  motivated required remand."  Headnote 9, Committee on
Chi, IL 60637      +  Legal Ethics of WVa State Bar v Douglas, 370 SE2d 325.
From: ky0l+@andrew.cmu.edu (King-Han Yao)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Baseball - The 'ME' SPORT (was Re: Bobby Bonilla)
Date: 10 Apr 92 13:47:16 GMT
	<1992Apr9.181659.18195@Princeton.EDU>
Organization: Senior, Economics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

On 09-Apr-92 in Re: Baseball - The 'ME' SPO..
user Roger Lustig@phoenix.Pri writes:
>>Actually, the entire sport of baseball, not just the Mets, has gone from a 
>>team oriented outlook, to a ME thing.  This point was brought out by Bob 
>>Gibson and Tim McCarver during the opening METS broadcast from St Louis 
>>Monday night. 
> 
>Yeah, sure.  Old ballplayers from every decade have said that about the
>generation that followed.  This line makes predictions of the Second
>Coming look reliable and soberly reasoned.

I read somewhere (I forgot where) a quote from Ty Cobb in the '30s that
went something like this (I'm paraphrasing) : "All players care about
now is money, money, money.  They don't have the heart to play hard
anymore, they're too afraid that they'll get injured and lose their
money.  Back in my day, we played hard every day."

If someone can find Cobb's exact quote, it'll be appreciated.


-------------
King Yao                       
Economics 
Class of '92                   
Carnegie Mellon
From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Mets Romp in '92 laffer
Keywords: idiot
Date: 9 Apr 92 18:00:51 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: American Software Development Corp., W. Babylon, NY

In article <1992Apr07.225838.15376@eng.umd.edu> wnbc@eng.umd.edu (Joseph S. Kaufman) writes:
>As a Mighty Metropolitans fan, I personally think it will be hard for the
>Mets to take 1st place with their current defense.  My defense would have
>Howard at third, Darryl in center, Mags at 1st, and Murray back in Baltimore
>in an old age home.  

I'm going to make sure I stay on the record with this:
The Mets, as they stand now, have an average defense that I can live
with.  I have few problems with it (I wish Elster's shoulder was better
and that Magadan was a better third baseman).  I have no problems with
Eddie Murray on the team--called a "true professional" Jeff Torborg.  My
complaint is with the pitching!

The last two days prove that there will be some problems.  I do not feel
that the middle relievers are that good.  I have also said we have to
see what kind of start Sid Fernandez has (inflamed knee, not the one he
has had problems with).  I don't think Saberhagen will be as bad as
Tuesday night but who's there to back him up?  Paul Gibson?  Is Gooden
back?  Far too many questions there to be comfortable.

>I am pissed that Frank Viola and Blaine Beatty are no longer on the Mets.

I'm not.  Viola was given every chance in New York--Long Island boy
returns, etc.  He did not.  He had basically pitched like doggie-doo the
second half of he last two seasons.  Let him spread his "magic" for the
BoSox!

Beatty is not a heavy loss but could have fit in better in the bullpen
now!  They need better relievers!

>I think that our pitching is going to suffer greatly because of this.

This?  No.

>But hey, if our 4 main guys can stay healthy and Anthony Young can give 
>us some innings, I think our inconsistencies, in the defense especially, will
>ballance out.

Young had a good spring... I wonder if he can carry it into the season!

>Lets Go Mets, Lets Do It AGAIN.

PLEASE!!!
-- 
scott barman			|            LET'S GO METS!
scott@asd.com			|            LET'S GO METS!
				|            LET'S GO METS!
 (I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
From: ko@teecs.UUCP (Sam Ko)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 17:41:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Blue Jays vs. Red Sox
Organization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball

What I can say is
I totally disagree what you have post.
[DYou only voiced out your OWN OPINION.
From: kprashan@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (hyderabadi)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Dodgers/Padres Friday Night Game for East Coast gang
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:01:55 GMT

In article <kud0h5INNb3u@mizar.usc.edu>, pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) writes:
> The Padres beat the Dodgers 8-3 tonight.
> [...lots of whining deleted...]
> Naturally, that would have been the third out when Padres pitcher
> Eiler hit a surprising 2 run blast off Ojeda to make it 3-1.


Thats Eiland, Dave Eiland.

> But in the 7th, the umpires
> struck again.  The Dodgers were threatening, and loaded the bases.
> Eric Davis was called out on a strike that was AT LEAST 6 inches
> below his knee.  

I was at the game last night. Darling had been calling the low
pitch a strike all night long for BOTH teams. By the 7th inning, 
Davis should have realized that.

> ...
> Anyways....Tim Crews pitched poorly as usual in the bottom of
> the 7th and promptly loaded the bases...he couldn't get
> Ron Darling to make ANY of those lousy strike calls he made
> for the Padres pitchers. 


Yes, walking an 0 for 3 Gwynn intentionally was Darling's
fault.

>  Well, in came John Candelaria to
> face Fred McGriff with the bases loaded, and McGriff deposited
> a 2-1 count pitch into the bleachers for a no doubt about it
> grand slam home run.


This was a MONSTER BLAST on a 2-0 count. McGriff just turned on 
inside fast ball up in the zone and the ball just kept going &
going & going... 444 feet.


> I'm not saying the Dodgers would have won if the calls hadn't
> gone against them...don't get me wrong.  Some games you get the
> calls your way, some games you don't.  I am merely reporting
> the facts of this game as I and the replay cameras showed it.


You are reporting on the 'facts' as you saw it on the cameras.
I hope you will be as objective when the Dodgers pull a phantom
5-4-3 DP as Samuel steps 3 feet inside 2B to catch-pivot-throw
to 1B, and the 2B ump calls the Padre sliding into 2B out as
happened last year in SD.


> Umpires at least 3 errors :-)
> 						BleedsDodgerBlue



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From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Who fields now?
Date: 7 Apr 92 23:16:32 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr7.231632.2461
Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)
Distribution: rec
Organization: Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology

In article <1992Apr7.220342.10130@m.cs.uiuc.edu> silber@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ami A.  
Silberman) writes:
> I know that in the AL (and most minor leagues, and most college games) if
> the designated hitter comes in to field a position, the pitcher must hit 
> for himself.
> 
> What happens if:
> a) The DH comes in to pitch?
> or
> b) A position player (lf for example) comes in to pitch?

I'm reasonably sure that in both cases, the DH can't be used for the rest od  
the game (but I don't have my rule book here).

john rickert
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Subject: Re: Phillies HRs(was Re: Harry & Ron)
Reply-To: jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Jeff Hildebrand)
Organization: Don's Merry Horde of Topologists
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 22:42:51 GMT

peppler@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Randy Peppler) writes:
> 	I got the impression that they were one in the same.  I didn't
> 	really state it correctly above.  Maybe some Phanatic knows
> 	"the real story"...

	The local announcers were saying that it was the first time since, I
believe, 1989. (Might have been '90.) The last time was against the Expos.
They've certainly hit three in an inning several times since 1949. I
remember at least a couple back-to-back-to-back ones with Schmidt, Lusinski
and someone else.

-Jeff "Phanatic born and bred but leaving town in 4 months"
-- 
Jeff Hildebrand                                  jhildeb1@cc.swarthmore.edu
"Fly Heisenberg Airlines! We may not know where we are, but we're making
real good time." - _Synners_ by Pat Cadigan
From: jsr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN STEPHEN RANDOLPH)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: David Rossing??????????????
Date: 10 Apr 92 19:26:04 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University

Can anyone tell who Dave Rossing is.  I've never heard of him before, and with
numbers like that, I should have heard of him.  And if he is that good, why
would the Brewers want to trade him for some lame catcher.
From: thornley@cs.umn.edu (David H. Thornley)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: Re: Bill James' Game Score
Date: 16 Apr 92 15:07:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: cs.1992Apr16.150744.13012
Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis, CSci dept.

In article <4466@radian.UUCP> bobd@.uucp (Bob Donaldson) writes:
>In article <1992Apr14.195514.16740@u.washington.edu>, sgs@milton.u.washington.edu (Steven Smith) writes:
>> 
>> HOW TO CALCULATE GAME SCORES IN 9 EASY STEPS AND 2 SHORT CUTS
>
>I think you are missing something here.  My recollection is that step 2
>above is designed to count the BATTERS that a pitcher retires NOT all
>the outs that are recorded....  
>Admittedly, this makes it
>a little harder to calculate from a standard box score, but it gets at
>the real point of the GS.

The real point of the GS is to have an indicator of how dominant the pitcher
was that is real easy to compute from the box score.  Trying to figure out
CSs and double plays would make it messier.  It's similar to OPS in this
regard - you can make it more reflective of actual play, but you're
really better off starting with something different if that's your aim.

  If BJ had really wanted to simply score 3
>points each for the first 4 innings and 5 points each for the rest, I
>expect that he would have simply said it that way!
>
He did, pretty much.

David Thornley
"Homework?  What homework?"
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
Subject: Re: In defence of Zeile, Lankford, Gilkey... (was Re: NL East( Smiley trade's impact ))
Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1992 14:16:07 GMT

In article <10010557@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> mjs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Marc Sabatella) writes:
>>      OPS Projected for 1992: Justice .912
>>                              Bonilla .832
>
>Now wait a minute, OPS may not be the One True Statistic, but "projected" OPS,
>particularly for someone like Justice who hasn't really put in a single full
>season yet, isn't even the John The Baptist Of Statistics.

Now, now.  Justice has 252 ML, 197 AAA, and 151 AA games under his belt.
I think that's enough to make a good prediction.  James has made good
predictions with less to go on:

Frank Thomas (60 ML, 109 AA), Predicted: 989, Actual: 1006.
Juan Gonzalez (49 ML, 128 AAA, 133 AA), Predicted: 775, Actual: 810.
Brian McRae (46 ML, 346 AA), Predicted: 690, Actual: 660.
Milt Cuyler (19 ML, 148 AAA, 98 AA), Predicted: 667, Actual: 672.
Travis Fryman (66 ML, 87 AAA, 118 AA), Predicted: 721, Actual: 756.

>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Marc "Dave" Sabatella		Disclaimer: OPS is not the One True Statistic
>marc@hpmonk.fc.hp.com		that makes all others obsolete
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Mmmm... po-ta-to chips" - Homer Simpson's thoughts
>                           going into the most "clutch" at bat of his life


-- 
Ted Frank          + "A word is not a crystal, transparent and unchanged, it
1307 E 60 St, #109 +  is the skin of a living thought and may vary greatly in
U o' C Law Skool   +  color and content according to the circumstances and
Chi, IL 60637      +  the time in which it is used."  --  Holmes
From: p_emond@pavo.concordia.ca (NAME PATRICK EMOND)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.baseball
Subject: re:foreign objects
Date: 15 Apr 92 15:26:00 GMT
Organization: Concordia University
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41


 giving out wall calendars at the home openers.
 Predictably, this turns the big O into a paper-airplane festival, annually.

 Patrick Emond     |  "The Giants Win The Pennant!
 Concordia U.      |   The Giants Win The Pennant!"
 Montreal, Canada  |