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From: Barbora Deschenes <BRAB@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: BAD PILSNER URQUELL
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 22:06:41 GMT

In article <mboen.712402677@offbeat> mboening.pad@sni.de (Martin Boening) writes:
>In <1992Jul23.225317.20256@news.mentorg.com> archiel@sun_archielcom (Archie Lachner) writes:
>
>>I guess some marketing types somewhere decided that Americans like to buy
>>imported beers in green bottles.  It is worth noting that the vast majority of
>>domestic beers as well as Bavarian beers in 1/2 litre bottles are sold in dark
>>brown glass.
>
>This has nothing to do with Americans, I think. I've never seen Pilsner
>Urquell in anything but green bottles. The same goes for Jever Pils and
>Beck's Bier. I guess some breweries simply think, green bottles look
>nicer than brown ones.
>.
Dear gents, it's not a question of marketing, but rather a question of
light filtering through green glass better than brown glass...for some
beers, the chemical process is not complete upon bottling; hence, the
green bottles. As for most crappy american beers, the process has ended
far before it has (should have)started; hence the brown bottles.
Patrick.  U663@UNB.CA (University of New Brunswick, Fire Science Centre
Canada)

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp)
Subject: Re: Sammie Smiths
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Distribution: alt.beer
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:15:57 GMT

In article <BrwMCt.HH7@taligent.com> tom_santos@taligent.com (Tom Santos) writes:
>In article <7438@monmouth.edu>, c3088@moncol.monmouth.edu (CHRIS CANE) writes:
>> >-->Samuel Smith's Butt Brown Ale<--
>> >
>> S.S. Nut Brown Ale is one of the finest brews available to us.  Its butter-
>> scotch aftertaste and fine mellow maltiness make it a superb brew.  In all
>> fairness you are entitled to your opinion, but bashing this newsgroup
>> because you tried someone's suggested brew and didn't like it, is ignorant.
>> 
>> Let's hear more from the Jon Binkleys and Dan Browns of the world!
>> 
>
>First of all, I was just trying to be funny (but you are just a little too
>sensitive unfortunately).  The last thing that I am is ignorant.  I was not
>bashing "the newsgroup".  Yes, I am entitled to my opinion so I said it.  I've
>been brewing for myself for some time and deal with plenty of people who are
>probably more beer-educated than yourself.  I like a wide variety of beers friom
>around the world and Samuel Smith's Butt Brown Ale is not one of them.  Can I
>not make a joke?

Arguing about what 'tastes better' is going to get nowhere fast.  You have
to remember that there are people who think wop parties are excellent. As 
long as that is true, arguing about taste is pointless.


-- 
David Knapp                                      University of Colorado, Boulder
Highly Opinionated, Aging  and                      knapp@spot.colorado.edu
Perpetual Student of Chemistry and Physics.
            Write me for an argument on your favorite subject.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: U663000 <U663@UNB.CA>
Subject: Re: Beer fascism?!?! (was Re: BAD PILSNER URQUELL)
Organization: University of New Brunswick
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 12:40:28 GMT


In article <binkley.712518146@beagle> binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley) writes:
>knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
>
>>In article <1992Jul24.191153.12529@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
>>rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>
>I agree with John.  I am without a doubt ONE of the biggest
BECK'S beer drinkers in Canada.  After a visit to the BECK's
Brauhaus in Brehmen, D, I was amazed with the taste difference...
the TRUE BECK's was much tastier (no preservatives)!
Since my return to Canada, I have vowed to drink beers from micro-
breweries (many of them in Quebec, and Ontario).
So if you get a chance to visit Quebec, try a "Blanche de Chambly"
- tastes somewhat like Maredsous from Belgium.  However, many of
these beers are only available on tap; therefore, I'm still stuck
drinking bottled Beck's made for Canada!

Patrick C. Deschenes (U663@UNB.CA  University of New Brunswick,
                                   Fire Science Centre, Canada)
>
>.
>.

Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: ricegm@ecf.toronto.edu (George Matthew Rice)
Subject: Re: Why Beer is like women (was:Re: Why Beer is Better than Women!!!!)
Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 16:15:47 GMT

In article <1992Jul22.152352.2116@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:
>Well, this list is pretty old, so i thought id add a few reason why beer
>and women are alike.
>
>1. they both go in the following stages:
>    a. very high
>    b. very low
>    c. "Never again!"
>    d. back to stage a
>
>2. if you go to bed with either, youre likely to wake up with wet sheets.
>
>3. both are reasons to go to an otherwise miserably lame party
>
>4. both are reasons to go on living an otherwise miserable life
>
5. They're both cold if the first thing you do is try to screw their top off.

6. Most of them are shaped the same (bottles and women that is).

7. Labels stick to them (ie. slut, bud, etc).

8. The good ones both give nice head.

Before I go any further how explicit do you want this to get :-?

Matthew
From: smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: October-festival
Date: 22 Jul 92 21:21:29 GMT
Reply-To: smennitt@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Stuart Mennitt)
Followup-To: dsnhpl
Organization: NavSurfWarCen, CarderockDiv (ex-"Taylor Model Basin")

In alt.beer, ebccdes@bosun.ericsson.se (Carlos de Sousa) writes:
>Hi,
>Is there anyone that knows when the October festival in Munich, Germany
>is this year ??? (what days)
>Thanx

    I am going so I must know :).  I was *told* that it traditionally
ends on the first Sunday in October and is two weeks long.  That places
it from Sept 21 through Oct 4.  Can any Germans back this up?
    Any suggestions for a first time Octoberfester?
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: gal2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Jacob Galley)
Subject: Re: GOOD Lagers in the USA (Re: BAD PILSNER URQUELL)
Reply-To: gal2@midway.uchicago.edu
Cc: rm34@quads.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
Distribution: usa
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 22:23:10 GMT

In article <binkley.712030106@beagle> binkley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Jon Binkley) writes:
>noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
>
>>Couple of questions:
>
>>Is there a U.S. beer which is comparable taste-wise (even slightly) to Pilsner
>>Urquel?
>
>>Also, what other bottled pilsner type beers would everybody recommend, both
>>imported and domestic?
>
>Sam Adams Boston Lager: Obnoxious adds, obnoxious braumeister, but
>pretty darn good beer.  Good balance 'twixt malt and Saaz hops.

(Aside: Here in Chicago, WXRT did a pretty good parody of the Sam Adams
radio ad, except that the Koch-clone voice cracked a little too hard. I
think they were advertising their jazz show as full-bodied. I forget.)

>I'll go out on a limb, put on my flame-proof asbestos suit, mix my
>metaphores some more, and claim that Sam Adams tastes more like
>Pilsner Urquell is supposed to taste than any other American beer.

I'll go with Baderbrau myself. It's only availible in the Midwest as
far as I know, but it's growing fast. If you can find Baderbrau and a
fresh bottle of Urquell at the same time, try them side by side.

>****BEST QUALITY:PRICE RATIO OF ANY BEER IN THE USA****
>
>And a pretty good German style lager to boot is Berghoff's
>Beer (brewed in Monroe, WI).  Hey, gang, this stuff's cheaper
>than Bud and Coors.  Bought some today for $3.50 a six pack
>on sale, and its normal price is around $4.

Hooo, man. Anyone in Chicago who is not afraid of urban decay should
go get a gallon jug of Gill's Dark at Gill's Discount Liquors at 47th
and Kimbark (~1300 E). One gallon costs about $5.50, including the $1.50
deposit. That's roughly 10 12 oz beers for $3.00! The normal Gill's Beer
is yer basic swill, but the dark is surprisingly good, relatively.
It's even better out of a keg.

Cheers,
Jake.

-- 
Reinheitsgebot <-- "Keep your laws off my beer!" <-- gal2@midway.uchicago.edu
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: music@moravian.edu (Steve Heller)
Subject: How does light affect beer?
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 22:13:27 EDT

We all know about the devestation that light can do to beer but I am
humbly ignorant of the chemical process by which it does this. Can any
explain, in layman's terms, the process by which light (inc.
florescence) adversly effects beer?

(I just downed a Thos Hardy, 1990. Too young, I'm afraid...)
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: walker@clinet.fi (Jukka Lahtinen)
Subject: Re: Scotch
Organization: Clinet, Helsinki, Finland
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 16:01:51 GMT

lfm@pgroup.com (Larry Meadows) writes:

>Regarding scotch, is anyone interested in a 'best of single malt' thread?
>Although this is alt.beer, I don't recall having seen 'alt.scotch' so ...

Yes, I am very interested.
But I can't name just one malt and say it's THE best.. it is much easier for
me to name a few brands I consider the best I've tasted.
These would be

Balvenie
MacAllan
Royal Lochnagar

Just in alphabetical order.
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: ben@spitws79.sbil.co.uk (Ben Evans)
Subject: Re: good vessel for chimay???
Reply-To: ben@spitws79.sbil.co.uk
Organization: Salomon Brothers, Ltd.
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 16:24:00 GMT

In article 7410@monmouth.edu, c3088@moncol.monmouth.edu (CHRIS CANE) writes:
>In article <1992Jul13.132536.7461@vax.oxford.ac.uk> nagrwb@vax.oxford.ac.uk becomes concerned with:
>>Bought a few small bottles of Chimay of varying strengths back with me
>>from a vist to mainland Europe. I noticed the labelling recommended
>>the use of "round" glasses instead of the more upright "straights".
>>Is there a good reason for this? apologies if the topic's been raised
>
>I find that a burgundy glass, or a wide mouthed wine goblet (copita)
>works well with Belgian style trappist ales, especially Chimay, a 
>personal fave.  The reason for me is that you can waft the beer much
>like brandy in a snifter.  Chimay's fruitiness becomes apparent after
>sticking your nose in it for a while and breathing it.  This adds to
>the total enjoyment of drinking a specialty beer like Chimay.
>

The only correct way to serve Chimay is in a Chimay glass. These
are thick stemmed, with a very large bowl, gold rim and "Chimay" in
Art Deco lettering on them.

Every Belgian beer has a special glass expressly for serving it in.
I am interested as to how this tradition arose, I guess it is a form
of product differentiation in a market where there are hundreds of competing
styles and thousands of competing beers.

Some types of belgian beer glass are very extreme, for instance one (I don't
remember the name) has a round base, and comes with a special wooden
cradle which it hangs in!

In "Berties Bar" in Bruges (A truly excellent bar that serves over
350 different beers in a convial environment) the will *never* serve
a beer in the wrong glass, despite huge diversity of beers and glasses.
The people who work the bar there are true artists in the serving of beer.

My favorite Belgian beer glass is the Duvel (coincidentally my favouite
Belgian beer:-), which is highly optimised for
presenting this unique and excellent beer. I chill the Duvel glass in the
freezer for fifteen minutes before puring the beer, which I will have chilled for
about an hour and a half in the fridge. This produces a very dense and
robust head which fills the glass. I can't wait to get home now to get a few down! 

Fans of Chimay and Duvel in the UK may note that they are now available
in the from Oddbins, for an outrageous price of course. It is stil cheaper
for two people to take the wheels over to Belgium and bring back the full 50 
litres per person allowance each.

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: wiley@crooks.b11.ingr.com (Dave Wiley)
Subject: Re: BAD PILSNER URQUELL
Reply-To: wiley@wiley.b11.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 12:39:14 GMT

Barbora Deschenes <BRAB@UNB.CA> writes:

>Dear gents, it's not a question of marketing, but rather a question of
>light filtering through green glass better than brown glass...for some
>beers, the chemical process is not complete upon bottling; hence, the
>green bottles. As for most crappy american beers, the process has ended
>far before it has (should have)started; hence the brown bottles.

Dear, sir: What light-catalyzed, chemical process that is necessary
for a beer to be "complete" are you referring?

--
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Intergraph Corporation     to reach adulthood if I'd known the whole thing
205-730-6390               was going to be ad-libbed."
wiley@wiley.b11.ingr.com                                  - Bill Watterson
From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: *****Advice Wanted on Beer Pubs in Denver/Colorado Springs Area
Date: 24 Jul 92 21:16:16 GMT
Distribution: usa
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services  (408 241-9760 guest)

Hello,

I'm going to be visiting the Denver/Colorado Springs area in early August and
would like to get feedback on pubs/bars serving a good selection of beers, 
foreign and domestic, including local brews.

Any help here?

Thanks.

Jon 

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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: kyle@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Kyle Wohlmut)
Subject: Big Rock-- the secret
Followup-To: alt.beer
Summary: How to drink Buzzard Breath Ale
Keywords: Buzzard Breath
Organization: Rocking Pig Enterprises
Distribution: public, world
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 15:30:48 GMT

There's been a proponderance of Big Rock's 'Buzzard Breath Ale' in
stores in the Bay Area lately, so I figured what the hell?  I'll try a
sixer... I didn't think much at first, it's a nice, light,
easy-drinking ale, but nothing remarkable...

UNTIL I accidentally hit upon the secret of Buzzard Breath Ale!  Here
it is, and I earnestly reccomend you all go out, get a few, and dry
this out-- you honestly won't believe the difference!

It sounds weird, but --drink it with spaghetti.-- It suddenly becomes
unbelievably yummy.  The spaghetti sauce (I used a Ragu variety) sets
of flavours like no other!  Where did all that headiness, and all that
rich sweet nutty-ness come from?  They should really work out some
marketing arrangement with a spaghetti sauce company...

Of course, you may scoff now, but wait 'til you try it.  Come on,
aren't you a little bit curious?

-/-/-/-/-/-/
Kyle
'Women: a mistake?  Or did He do it to us on purpose?!'
                     --Daniel van Horne
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Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)
Subject: Re: Beer fascism?!?!  (was Re: BAD PILSNER URQUELL)
Organization: University of Virginia
Distribution: usa
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 19:10:18 GMT

In article <1992Jul30.165328.18726@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> knapp@spot.Colorado.EDU (David Knapp) writes:
>In article <1992Jul24.191153.12529@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson) writes:

>>>	I have had one bottle of bad Urquell out of many good ones.  I
>>>	don't know how the been is in Prague, but U.S. Urquell is
>>>	excellent, IMHO.  One bottle I had was flat and spoiled.  But,
>>>	all in all, I heartily recommend this beer.
>>>
>>
>>Well, the spoilage problem is one of many reasons you should avoid beer bottled
>>halfway across the world and buy american. And Im not talking about 
>>budmillcoors, im talking about the many small breweries in the country who
>>produce, IMNSHO, some of the best damn beer in the world. Not only that, but
>>by drinking this beer you are doing your part to support the good ol US
>>economy.....
>
>Oh, oh. Blind nationalism hits the beer circuit. This is America mister,
>we drink whatever we damn well please here (to be brief.)

HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER.
Ever hear of sarcasm?!?
Thanks for falling for it though.

>
>If you want to push nationalistic policies on private beer consumption, you'd
>be better off in the ex-soviet union.  In the meantime, this is the land
>of the FREE and the home of the brave and we like our freedom of choice.
>
>When America makes good products, Americans buy them.  We participate in a 
>world market *by choice*.  You don't want to imagine our economy suffering
>from isolationism.

1. I was pushing no sort of policy whatsoever. I dont beleive in them.

2. America DOES make good quality products. All of my favorite beers are
American. Hence I posted a tongue-in-cheek thing advocating American beer,
using the rhetoric of hysterical nationalism. Dig.

>>of course, I still buy imports sometime. Im tired of PU (though it is an
>>excellent beer) but I have a weakness for Elephant Malt Liquor. Boy, it
>>packs a nice punch, tastes great, and is not so expensive as far as imports
>>go.
>>
>>Oh one last  thing about imports: several imports, Becks and St Pauli among
>>them, sell a special version of their brew in america, one watered down to
>>the supposed tastes of Americans. stay away....buy american.
>
>America *invented* watered down beer, man. Have you had a miller, bud, coors,
>or schlitz lately? Becks and S.P. are just doing what we do; they serve to the
>market.
>
>No, buy whatever the hell you want to buy.
>
>Can you tell you hit a sore spot?  ;-)
>
>

HA HA HA HA HA HA
HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER.
:-)

>-- 
>David Knapp                                      University of Colorado, Boulder
>Highly Opinionated, Aging  and                      knapp@spot.colorado.edu
>Perpetual Student of Chemistry and Physics.
>            Write me for an argument on your favorite subject.

nice sig, tho, but i have no trouble finding email arguments on my own, thanx.
-rob


Xref: sparky alt.beer:4419 rec.crafts.brewing:4154
Organization: Penn State University
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:54:46 EDT
From: <EV0@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.beer
Subject: Re: Unusual Ale

I have had woodruff with my Berliner Weiss at a local establishment and it
was superb (I prefer it to the raspberry flavoring that is popular with the
Berliner here).  I really don't know about the availability of Berliner
throughout the U. S.

For an interesting drink try woodruff tea someday.  A true pleasure.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: jj@allegra.att.com (jj, beer curmudgeon)
Subject: Taddy Porter-like recipe
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:18:27 GMT

Gosh, an innocent article, and about 16 requests later inside of 24
hours, so here goes...

Sorta-like Taddy Porter (but more hoppy, feel free to adjust
to taste, like I need to tell anyone that... ;-)

This is for 5 gal, give or take

crack:
1 lb pale malt
1 lb crystal (light lovibond) malt
2oz black patent

Protein rest at circa 115 for about 15 minutes
Mash at about 160 until converted

Add
1 Can John Bull Amber (3.3lbs)
1 Can John Bull Dark (3.3 lbs)
1 Oz galena hops for bittering

Boil until hot break is gone away for good. Skim rigourously,
and with abandon, and be preparted for lots of foam.

This takes about 45 minutes for me.

Add 1 tsp irish moss
1/2 oz cascades

boil for 10 minutes
keep skimming!

Add 1 oz fuggles

Boil for 3 minutes

Cool with wort chiller.  Again, I get a pretty whopping
cold break.  Siphon to secondary.  (I have yet to get
much blowoff with this recipe.)

Pitch with whitbread's ale yeast (who cares if some people
don't like it, it's by far the most reliable dry yeast
around here).

Starts circa 1.050

Finishes about 1.021 - 1.024 depending on ingredients

(let the fermentation clearly finish, and keep your
sterility up, wild yeast will do amazing <and vile> things
to this partciular high finish SG brew)

Prime with  about 2/3 C light DME boiled in enough water
to dissolve it (a few cups)

Bottle.

Takes about 3 weeks to condition.  If it's right, it will
be DRY on first taste, and go somewhat sweet as the
crystal starches hit the pepsin in your saliva.

It's a bit higher on the hops and lower on the head, but
I despise using heading agents, you might add 4 oz of 
low-lovibond carapils if you want.  Might help the mouthfeel,
too.
Newsgroups: alt.beer
From: archiel@sun_archielcom (Archie Lachner)
Subject: Re: BAD PILSNER URQUELL
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 18:44:51 GMT
Organization: mentor
Keywords: 
Followup-To: 

In article <mboen.712402677@offbeat>, mboening.pad@sni.de (Martin Boening) writes:
|> In <1992Jul23.225317.20256@news.mentorg.com> archiel@sun_archielcom (Archie Lachner) writes:
|> 
|> >I guess some marketing types somewhere decided that Americans like to buy
|> >imported beers in green bottles.  It is worth noting that the vast majority of
|> >domestic beers as well as Bavarian beers in 1/2 litre bottles are sold in dark
|> >brown glass.  
|> 
|> This has nothing to do with Americans, I think. I've never seen Pilsner
|> Urquell in anything but green bottles. The same goes for Jever Pils and
|> Beck's Bier. I guess some breweries simply think, green bottles look
|> nicer than brown ones.
|> 
|> Martin
|> --
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That's interesting.  I'd heard that green bottles were rare in Europe.

We used to get Grolsch in brown bottles with "pot and gasket" seals here in the
States.  Several years ago, it started appearing in otherwise identical bottles
made of green rather than brown glass.  Did this happen in Europe, or are we just
lucky over here?
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