HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: pelle@lk-hp-6.hut.fi (timo.pelkonen)
Subject: Re: Disposables question
Reply-To: timo.pelkonen@hut.fi
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland
Date: 12 Jan 93 22:36:10 GMT

In <16B54A2E5.M17257@mwvm.mitre.org> M17257@mwvm.mitre.org writes:
>In article <16B53A398.CREECH@LSTC2VM.stortek.com>
>>In article <CINDY.93Jan10151654@solan10.solan.unit.no>

>>>How are you supposed to check if those water-tight, "stay dry"
>>>disposables have urine in them without fully undressing the poor kid?

just grab the crotch. if the diaper feels heavy and like some wet stuff 
in a plastic bag it's time to change.


>>If the child isn't fussy (bothered by the wet diaper), stinky (with either
>>#1 or #2), and the diaper isn't falling off from the weight of the urine,
>>leave well enough alone and don't change the baby.

>I disagree strongly!  That's how babies get diaper rashes.

do they? my kid has rash all over but not on the diaper area. i wonder
what is the secret of Pampers because other disposables cause terrible
rash in no time. Mr procter&gamble do U read me? I'd just love to soak the
kid in that lotion.
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Biting :-(
Date: 10 Jan 1993 20:40:20 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


     Well, I'd say the logical consequence for biting would be like for
hitting - being sent to one's room.  I think the fact he had to take his
nap while Emily got to stay up for extra cuddles was very good, too, because
that puts in the kid's mind that he's not going to get attention, but also
that another kid is going to get more than he because of it.  Toddlers
and preschoolers seem to love attention most of all, which is why having
to "go nite-nite" made such a big impression. (For that reason, I wouldn't
recommend spanking, since I think a kid, especially at 2.5, has to get
cuddles afterward, too, so he knows he's still loved.  FOr just one little
slap on the rear, maybe it's not so important, but whichever it was, you can
see it didn't even make an impression in his mind, so it's not really as
useful for him as being sent to bed.)
     As for handling it after you got home, I'd say you were right to make
him tell you what he did, but once he understands what he did wrong you
should let it go; when he had to tell his Dad, that was giving him extra
attention in itself.  As stated above, that's the opposite of what you want.
I think it's good to just let the daycare center handle the punishment; at
this age any punishment has to be immediate.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
    Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
he ran to first and made it?     : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
From: aj728@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Waylon Adams)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Orthodontic info requested...
Date: 11 Jan 1993 06:02:09 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu


Hi!  This may not be quite the right area for this, but we could 
use all the help we can get.. Here's the pitch...
  
     Hello!  I'm helping a friend of mine do a college 
research project (in Psychology) on the subject of 
Orthodontics.  We are looking for several things I hope 
someone out there can help us with. 
 
     First, we would like to get pictures and/or of a 
person who wears (or used to wear) orthodontic headgear or 
similar appliances. If you or someone you know might be 
able to help, please reply to this message or to the US 
Snail address below. 
 
     Also, we'd like to find any movie, TV show, magazine 
or story that has in it a person wearing any type of 
orthodontic appliances. Even short stories or brief 
appearances in a show would help. If you have read or seen 
some book/movie/show that has a person wearing braces or 
(especially) headgear, please drop us a note (Email or US 
mail) describing where you saw it (name of book/show, 
author, etc...) 
 
     Any help you can provide would be appreciated.  My 
friend has quite a while to gather this data, so she's 
expected to come up with a lot of stuff -- all help is 
appreciated! 
 
     Please Email me here, or send a letter to the 
following address: 
 
          Orthodontic Research 
          925-C East Broad St. 
          Gadsden, AL    35903 
 
     Thanks again! 
  
   
   Parents, thanks for any help you can give --- and if YOU 
have any memories/photos you can share - please send them
to me.
  
   In deference to the regular topic ofthis conferenct, please
address messages using your systems PRIVATE mail rather
than simply reply in this conference.  Thanks!
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)
Subject: Re: Parents Magazine confuses on circumcision
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:21:08 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories
Keywords: circ

In article <1993Jan6.234443.23315@news.eng.convex.com>, ramon@convex.com (Ramon Dominguez) writes:
> If you had read the entire article, you would have realized that Gary was
> saying that the publisher of this magazine is Jewish.

Which article?  Gary's posting?  There's nothing in the article that
explicitly states anything about the publisher's religion.  There's
merely the implication (almost an outright statement) that some people
are engaging in unethical journalism because of their own religion.

If Gary had wanted to say he suspected bias because of the (presumed)
religion of the publisher and/or the authors, that's one thing.  His
statement, as written -- that PARENTS magazine is a ``"party line"
Yuppie(Jewish) magazine'' -- is insulting, especially given traditional
stereotypes about Jews.

> He is talking about Jewish yuppies.

No he isn't.  Or rather, he's asserting that many (most?) Jews are
yuppies, or that many (most?) yuppies are Jews.  That's a ridiculous
statement on its face, and has no business in misc.kids anyway.  Now,
if he wanted to say that too many Jews circumcized their boys because
their own cultural and religious biases prevented them from listening
to medical evidence, he'd have a posting that is both defensible and
(if written decently) polite.  That's no more anti-semitic than postings
about infibulation are anti-African, or observations about heart disease
rates are anti-American.  His article wasn't about that.  He simply
attacked a magazine article -- which is proper -- and engaged in ethnic
slurs, which is not.

> Some yuppies are Jews, some Jews are yuppies.

Yes.  But that's quite unrelated to anything else he says.

> What is
> your problem anyway?  You don't have to read *anything* on the net, by the
> way.

Since the phrase ``blatant anti-semitism'' didn't appear in the ``Summary:''
line, it's hard to see on what grounds she should have avoided this
particular article.  A Jew shouldn't read something critical of
circumcision?  I thought that was the only possibly-valid reason to
bring religion into this discussion, that some Jews won't listen to
anti-circumcision arguments because of their religion.

> You don't have to post anything either, I certainly won't miss it.

Laura's postings have generally earned her a great deal of respect.
They're usually polite and informative; she rarely flames anyone.
In truth, I don't think I've ever seen a flame of hers that I disagreed
with.  I'd miss her postings a great deal more than I'd miss those
of certain other people.  I'll leave those names as an exercise
for the reader.  But if you need a hint -- well, I can almost excuse
a thoughtless slur, especially if the responses to it provoke some
thought in the originator.  Defending it is another matter entirely.

		--Steve Bellovin
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
Subject: Circumcision and Anti semetism?
Keywords: Circ
Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility
Distribution: default
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 17:17:37 GMT

 Re: My comments about Parent's magazine... what was met was that many
yuppie parents both Jewish and otherwise read and believe the rather
party-line (old ideas about the necessity of circumcision).
It was not intended as anti-semitic in anyway,but as a person who has
studied the issue of circumcision for some years I would be dishonest
and politically correct if I said Jews are nuetral when discussing
the topic. Many leave this procedure as a cultural ritual,but I have
seen many Jews who are also magazine publishers,physcians and so forth,
attempt to justify circumcision medically!! This is what annoys me.
Jewish people have a bias concerning the subject just as surely as
Catholics have a bias concerning abortion. 
The dishonest and biased coverage concerning circumcision in PARENTS 
has let me over a period of years to ponder why they have yet to do a
balanced and factual article on the subject. The magazine has more
than 60% of its executives who are apparently Jewish.
If anyone has an alternative hypothesis of why PARENTS is so PRO
circumcision let me know! (Let the NET know too)
Lets not be to quick to assert anti- anything... we all are human and
with many of us religion and culture cloud objective thinking in many
areas. Circumcision is perhaps a prime case in point!

--
            ******** Gary E. Davis***** WQ1F *****
 The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the
 palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.-H.L.Mencken
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: njamal@unix.amherst.edu (Nuhad Jamal)
Subject: Amoxicillin Rash?
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 14:02:20 GMT

My 8-month-old (today!) has been on amoxicillin since last Wednesday
to clear up his first ear infection (both ears were infected).  I
had to take him to the Ped (not our regular Dr. who is on vacation)
because he developed a rash all over his body (except for his
tummy and back).  The Dr. said that it was an amoxicillin rash,
that it was harmless, common, and that I should continue to give
him his medicine till it is finished on Friday.  Has anyone ever
heard of this.  I've always believed that rashes are symptoms of
some underlying problem...  Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Nuhad Jamal

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: jschwarz@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jan A. Schwarz)
Subject: Water for babies
Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 21:11:34 GMT

I tried to post this earlier but I don't think it made it.  Excuse me
if it did and I didn't see it.

It seems as if water isn't given to babies like it used to be when I
had mine (22 years ago!).

What has changed over the years that babies don't require water?
I used to give water to mine when it really wasn't time for them
to eat.  It seemed to pacify they until feeding time.

Jan

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: rtanson@nyx.cs.du.edu (richard tanson)
Subject: Natural disposables??
Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 93 06:09:10 GMT


I'm almost afraid to ask this question. After reading some of the post
concerning circumcision, things are getting pretty nasty in this group.
Have to wonder how flexible some of these folks are as parents. Anyway,
wondering if they still make so-called natural, i.e. no-chemical pretty
much biodegradeable disposable diapers for occasional use. Info much
appreciated. Can E-mail to tanson.r@fs.library.wlu.edu as well as post to
group. Thanks again in advance for your time.

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: kfreytag@mdtf14 (Kelley Trombly-Freytag)
Subject: Re: music (and jaccuzi's) in labor rooms
Organization: Fermilab, Batavia, IL
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:47:18 GMT

I would have killed for a jacuzzi during labor! We had a shower, 
which my husband I and I stood in for 45 minutes. It really helped
my pain.

--
Kelley Trombly-Freytag
From: gpalo@digi.lonestar.org (Gerry Palo)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: I love you forever
Date: 5 Jan 93 23:57:50 GMT
Organization: DSC Communications Corp, Plano, TX

I cried too. I sent a copy to my mother, who cried.  I think this book may be more for
grups and their mothers than for kids.

Sorry about your MIL.

Gerry Palo (non-new age arch-conservative)

(73237.2006@compuserve.com)
From: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Ideas needed for birthday cupcakes
Date: 10 Jan 1993 20:29:16 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Reply-To: dxf12@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas Fowler)
NNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu


In a previous article, cew@med.unc.edu (Cathryn W. Chiesa) says:

>Next months my son will celebrate his third birthday.  I am
>trying to come up with ideas for cupcakes to take to day
>care.  The first year I baked cupcakes in ice cream cones
>and then decorated the tops, last year I used Micky Mouse
>holders and sprinkles.  Any ideas on how to decorate cupcakes
>for this year's party.

     II always enjoyed marble cake since it's got several different colors -
maybe you could spread the idea to frosting by putting a white "3" or perhaps
the 1st letter of his name with Cool Whip or something.  You could do this
with sprinkles, too.

>  He has also requested an Elmo birthday
>cake for the party at home.  All I can think about is all
>that RED frosting.  I am trying to convince him of the wonders
>of a Big Bird cake (yellow frosting doesn't seem quite at bad).
>Thanks.

     Just get orange frosting, mix a little red food coloring in, and
I would think it would come out a reddish orange, which lookied to be
more Elmo's color when watching Sesame Street with my cousin Matthew a
couple years ago.
     Which reminds me - when did Elmo 1st appear on Sesame Street?  I've
been meaning to ask, because I just can't remember him being on when I
was growing up watching it, which was in the early 70s.  I could be wrong,
though.
-- 
Doug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: "Mommys and Daddys & other
    Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love
missed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great
he ran to first and made it?     : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!"
From: petel@bucket.rain.com (Pete Lancashire)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: Latch Key Kids - Home Alone (Was: Re: The Schoo Didn't Fit)
Date: 12 Jan 93 04:46:49 GMT
Article-I.D.: bucket.petel.726814009
Organization: Rick's Home-Grown Un*x

wang@ssd.intel.com (Wen-Lin Wang) writes:

>Both my parents worked while my sisters and I were kids.  We had house
>keepers from time to time.  But there were times in between and we were 
>left at home without adults around.  That was common practice in our 
>neighborhood and neighborhood kids played together all those times.  My
>dad whose office was 5 minutes walking distance away would come home to 
>check on us several times a day.  If we were caught playing outside
>instead of doing homework or just staying in the house, we would have been
>lectured.  Not much to it.  None of us were 'supposed' or 'expected' to take
>care of the younger siblings. 

>Now that I have my own kid, when I look back, I often wonder whether we 
>were extremely 'good' kids or just lucky.  sigh, those were really happy
>days...  But, that's another time and another place.  Now I get curious if
>my child, a 2.5 year-old, is quiet for 2 minutes in a room alone.

>Wen-lin
>-- 

I think you will find what you had was an extended neighborhood family 
the neighborhood became part or was an extension of your family. This was
not that uncommon up to about about 1960 in many urban areas. I remember
reading this concept started to fall apart after WWII.


-pete
Pete Lancashire
petel@sequent.com
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: barb@sq.sq.com (Barbara Burrows)
Subject: Childproofing (NOT!)
Organization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada
Distribution: na
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 21:25:09 GMT


Speaking of childproofing...I'm sure someone somewhere was at sometime....
I've heard about this mysterious process called childproofing.  I'm
not sure how that works though.  In our house we have childchallenging....
which means we've made the task at hand a little more difficult but
there's always a way.  Just ask Jordan (just turned 15 months old) about it.
I can reassure you that he will find ways to make your heart flutter.

Just yesterday he nearly gave my Mom (she takes care of my little guy for 
me during the day, thank God!) a heart attack.  She was in the kitchen.
Jordan was in the livingroom....they were singing back and forth to each
other while she got herself a cup of tea.  Then, quiet.  She called to
him.  No answer.  Ah yes, silence....a means to strike fear in every
parents heart.  She went into the livingroom.  No Jordan.  She keeps all
the doors in the hallway closed....no Jordan.  She continued to call.
No sound.  She checked behind the drapes.....under the table....in the
closet.  Nothing.  She checked all the rooms just in case.  Nothing.  
Now, she was panicked.  Obviously someone had snuck into the house and 
kidnapped the baby.  She somewhat frantically called to him to come read 
a book.  He loves books.  She heard a noise.  Opened his room....looked 
in...still couldn't see him.  Called to him again.  He was under his crib
in the far corner against the wall.  Big grin.  Wasn't that fun.

In case you missed it....that means he can now (at 15 months on tippy toes)
open a closed door and close it behind him.  Aren't we talented.
Just think of the fun we're going to have now!!!


					|
					|  I know I'm supposed to take
					|  one day at a time....
Barbara					|  but lately, several days 
					|  have attacked me all at once!
					|

Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: reid@metis.tti.com (Reid Kneeland)
Subject: Re: music (and jaccuzi's) in labor rooms
Organization: Transaction Technology Inc.
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 20:45:26 GMT

In article <199301100338.AA15027@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes:

>Could someone share some light here? What good is a jaccuzzi in labor
>and/or delivery? ( I can see it useful in earlier stages in the process,
>i.e. conception :-))

In a word, relaxation.  Anything that helps the mother relax is a
Good Thing.  Some mothers also find that floating in water helps take 
the load off their backs, legs, or whatever would otherwise be under
physical stress.

I know you were joking, but Jacuzzis are actually BAD for conception.
Too much heat kills sperm.

=====================================================================
Reid Kneeland
reid@tti.com
Transaction Technology Inc., Santa Monica, CA, USA (310) 450-9111 x2499
The opinions expressed above do not necessarily etc etc...

Never trust a man who can count to 1,023 on his fingers.
From: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Re: How to protect your family from the State
Date: 5 Jan 1993 15:29:10 GMT
Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu
Originator: pburch@roc.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu


In article <1993Jan05.012131.48991@watson.ibm.com>, strom@Watson.Ibm.Com 
(Rob Strom) writes: 

[I wrote:] 
> |> (I hope that posting this doesn't make me a target for somebody who is
> |> dangerously insane.) 
> 
> Now the above sentence sounds to me more paranoid than
> anything I read in the posting Mr. Hanson quoted.
> 
> Why would you think someone who made a posting about
> 4th Amendment rights was dangerously insane?

Because the last time I posted something that a fundamentalist Christian 
took exception to, he sent me e-mail that was sufficiently scary that I 
was very glad he didn't know where I lived! Please note that what I'd 
written wasn't at all anti-Christian, but one whacko individual 
decided that it was.

And in this case, I wasn't meaning to imply that any particular 
individual was insane, merely pointing out that this might be a rather 
sensitive matter to which someone who was dangerous--and reading my 
posting--might take exception.

Maybe I was out of line in wondering what the writer was trying to hide--
I have nothing against home-schooling, as long as it's done well--but it 
just makes me think of those cases you read about in the newspaper. You 
know, like the parents who went off to Acapulco over the recent holidays, 
leaving their 9 and 4 year old daughters all alone. The neighbors didn't 
even know that the younger girl existed, because the family was so 
secretive and no one was ever allowed in their house. There are regularly 
cases in which people discover that a child has been kept locked in a 
closet for years, resulting in permanent emotional and intellectual 
damage, generally as a punishment for being "bad"--how do the parents 
get away with this sort of thing? Only by keeping *everybody* out of
the house, saying, "A man's home is his castle." I don't want authorities 
bursting into my home at the slightest provocation any more than you do, 
but I don't spend energy on planning how to keep them out at all costs, 
either.

Obviously someone who was doing something like that wouldn't be posting 
on Usenet about how to keep the authorities out of his house, so I'm 
clearly not making accusations.

Paula Burch
pburch@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: Tammy.Vandenboom@launchpad.unc.edu (Tammy Vandenboom)
Subject: re:new sleep question
Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service
Distribution: na
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:02:18 GMT

My daughter went through a stage like this at 19 mo.  She had slept through the
night since she was 6 weeks old. Whenever she woke up in the night it was usually a
sign she had an ear infection.  But, at about 19 mo. she started waking up
in the night screaming for me.  When I would go in she would be standing up
holding her arms out to be held. I'd pick her up and lay her back down, rearrange
her stuff and she'd go right back to sleep.  This would go on several times
every night.  We decided after a week with no sleep that she was 
waking up and getting scared, (she would sleep through the night on the floor, 
on in our bed, or the couch)  We bought her a big girl bed, took down the crib,
and she immediately slept through the night.  My Mom says my little sister 
did the same thing.  Maybe your daughter is ready for a big girl bed?


--
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     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
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From: HF.BDC@forsythe.stanford.edu (Brian Carilli)
Newsgroups: misc.kids
Subject: Nanny Needed
Date: 11 Jan 1993 13:13:37 -0800
Organization: Stanford University
Distribution: ba
NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu

Nanny needed for our 3 month, 6 and 11 year old children. Full or
part time flexible schedule.  Live in or out.  Living in would be in
a detached studio/1 bedroom.  Good benefits, paid holidays and sick
days.  Experience and references required.  Please call days (415)
723-1852 or (415) 725-1474 or eves. (415) 424-9176.
Newsgroups: misc.kids
From: M18611@MBVM.Mitre.Org (Kathy Wilk)
Subject: Re: Toilet training FAQ request, me too.
Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford MA 01730
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 17:04:16 GMT

>Add me to the list of people who would love a copy of this FAQ
>                        Thanks
>                        K. Wilk
>                        M18611@MBVM.MITRE.ORG
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