From: guowei@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Guo Wei)
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Subject: Re:China's GNP and why Steven Lin is so biased?
Date: 23 Jan 1993 12:14:35 GMT
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Subject: Re: China's GNP
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In article <lm0u5hINNa5g@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> stlin@stevelin.Eng.Sun.COM (Steven Lin) writes:
>In article <1jo4c9INNd9o@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>  (Guo Wei) writes:
>
>>interesting point is that it gives an estimate of China's real GNP per capita
>>by Korea government, which is very close to my previous posted estimate ($1,0
>>00 to $2,000)
>>
>You need to explain how did you come up that figure. Basaed on what?
>What formula, factors support your arguement?
I am not sure if you have read my original posting where I briefly mentioned
that I use purchasing power (e.g. how much does one pound of pork cause in
dollar and in RMB). I also mentioned that other researchers(e.g. World Bank,
Austrailia) also have similar conclusion. I also refered to the recent article
on Economist (Nov. 28,92).My estimate is a very rough one but other researchers
have done a lot more work on that.)

>
>If the CCP gave a number, that should be correct. No single country is
>forced to come up that number. There are common formula and factors used
>to compute the GNP. The government gave the number should have details.
>Counting on no tax policy, indeed the China GNP should be higher than
>that number. But, there is no way to come up severl times higher, based
>on the US tax rate 30% higher ma

How do you know the higher number is given by CCP? I begin to doubt that you are
so biased that you just couldn't accept different opinions. Acutally, CCP and
mainland government never, ever uses the higher number. Most of these numbers
are given by Westerners because they are confused about the official GNP and
the reality. Mainland government always publishes the GNP number either in terms
of RMB or gives the euivalent USD according to official exchange rate(which is
about $380).t
>
>>     China's official per capita GNP was $380 last year, but the Korean
>>government estimates it at around $1,100, similar to Korea's level in the late
>>1970s.(Yonhap)
>>.
>The same level was referred to the sistuation of Taiwan in 60s. That is why
>many people like to say that the mainland is behind Taiwan for 30 years.
>And it explains everything. The college graduates made NT$1800 in 60s. That
>was about U$45 (rate 1:40). Today's mainland, the new graduates make less than
>RMB200, is in the same level. The new graduates in computer eng. make 
>NTS40,000 today, it is equivalent to U$1600. The new graduate news reporters
>make more than that number, US2000. 
>
>The GNP reflects the purchasing power and living standard of that nation.
>While Taiwan was at U$400, the foreign investors poured money in. Nowadays,
>the foreign investors left and Taiwan has become the 3rd investor in mainland.
>The GNP really reflects a nation economy, and business activities.
>
>
I think mainland lags behind Taiwan on per capita basis about 20 years. There
are detailed reports on this.(also refer to Economist above) This is reasonable
because in late 1950s mainland and Taiwan were about at the same level. From
1958( the year when Great Leap Forward began) to 1978 (the year when Culture
Revolution was completely over and CCP adopted the reform and open-door policy),
20 years were wasted. 
     The reason I am interested in this GNP thing is because sometimes I am
myself very confused. I am not trying to prove that mainland is having a 
living standard higher or even close to that of Taiwan. But if you insist that
mainland GNP is as low as the official figure or even lower that will not bother
me. I don't care.
    Mr. Steven Lin, can I ask you a personal question? Do you have any relative
that was killed by CCP? The reason I ask you this question is that I could not
figure out any other reason that make your opinion about CCP and mainland so
basied.  I have read a lot your postings and that's the conclusion I draw. 
Although there are a lot of guys from Taiwan always arguing with mainlanders
about this and that but none of them like you, so single-minded and unreasonablethat for a time I doubt you have mental problems.


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