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From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: A Quick Question
Date: 10 Apr 92 22:37:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <sehari.702929800@vincent1.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>>>>                                          ^^^^^
>>>
>>>>Q1- Why does Babak call shah, shaw.
>>>
>>>actually he does type shah when he means shah.  he was refering to george
>>>bernard shaw in that sentence.  babak rarely makes spelling mistakes.
>>>
>>>>Q2- Why does Babak's smily looks like this -:)
>>>
>>>if in a smiley, ':' are the eyes, and ')' is the mouth, then
>>>the '-' in -:) can only be the scar from lobotomy.
>>				          ^^^^^^^^
>>since a friend asked what that is:
>
>>lobotomy: A surgical operation that removes one or more
>>          fronal lobes of the brain.  
>
>
>After all, this "Shash-Khor-e Mortazavi" should know; -:) he already had
>several of these operations.

ah, baabak joon... once again you subconsciously redirect the
converstaion to the genital area...  i believe the last time we
analyzed this recurring behaviour of yours (back in september i
think?), we came to the conclusion that you suffered from chronic
sexual frustration which caused you to continuously walk around with an
erection, which in turn deprived your already small brain from its
needed blood.  

now, why cant you be a little more polite too? 


>                           With highest regards,
>                                Babak   Sehari.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari)
Subject: Re: cynical irony
Originator: sehari@vincent1.iastate.edu
Organization: Iowa State University of Science and Technology, Ames, Iowa.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 22:15:48 GMT

In <1992Apr8.201119.23449@athena.mit.edu> nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi) writes:


>Hello everyone.
>A friend of mine and I were talking the other day about the fact that neither of
>us could come up with Persian equivalents to two words: Irony, and cynicism.
>There are some words that have similar meanings, but nothing that actually
>expresses the meaning of these words.  We decided that probably the reason is that
>we have too little of one to even have a word for it, and too much of the other,
>that we don't even need a word for it.

>Anyway, I would appreciate suggestions.

>Naghmeh 

cynicism : "Manfi Baf", "Dear Bavar" from the verb. "Manfi Bafi Kardan" or
           "Dear Bavari Kardan".  The first one has a negative connotation,
           where as the second one has a positive connotation.

Ironic : "Kanaya Amiz". 

As a mater of fact Ironic witting is a powerful and accepted style in
Persian literature.  

                       With highest regards,
                            Babak   Sehari.

Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi)
Subject: Re: Az Div o Dad Maloolam
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 23:23:45 GMT



Cheragh AghA,

|> I wish I could say that Islam isn't part of Iran's culture.  However, that's 
|> not an easy claim to make.  So let's say that Islam is there.

I was just wondering why you would wish to say that Islam isn't part of Iran's
culture?


 
|> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
|> 
|> 	 | |
|> 	 | |
|> 	( ! )
|> 	 \ /
|> 	 ___
|> 	|   |--0
|> 	|___|
|> 	 ! !	(c) Copyright 1991
|> 	 ! !	 
|> 	 / \	cheragh@alborz.mips.com (Mash Cheragh-Ali)
|> 	~~~~~
|> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Naghmeh
From: sepehr@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ramin S.)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: ARE YOU ALL LIKE THIS
Date: 12 Apr 92 14:24:21 GMT
Organization: UB

In article <1992Apr12.062354.25965@cs.ubc.ca> fayegh@cs.ubc.ca (David Fayegh) writes:
>In article <1992Apr11.150911.1> wrightb@wharton.upenn.edu writes:
>
>(1) How long have you been reading this newsgroup and why?
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	We don't own this newsgroup , So I think everyone is free to
use a public property, so give the guy a break , I am sure he has a
good reason for reading our stuff , Maybe like a CIA agent or something !!

:-)  
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From: mtaghavi@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Amir Taghavi)
Subject: India to Set up Patent Database
Organization: The Ohio State University
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 04:15:11 GMT


NEW DELHI, INDIA, 1992 APR 8 (NB) -- Patent Information System is 
expected to have computer readable and searchable databases of Indian 
patents in three years from now.

The Union government, in collaboration with the World 
Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) and United Nations 
Development Programme, has planned a $1 million modernization 
program for the Indian Patent Office in Nagpur in central 
India. According to WIPO experts, Daid C. Newton and Jaine 
Sevilla, the best solution is to set up a national system 
for Indian documents not covered in any on-line database. The 
system could depend on an on-line foreign host for 
non-Indian documents and gradually cover documents of foreign 
patent offices. 

At present, it operates with microfilms or paper-based databases of 
about 30 million patent documents from various parts of the world and 
in many languages, with one million documents being added every year. 
Computerization will not only reduce inaccuracies, but will also make 
it easily accessible.
From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Sigheh and all the rest of it.
Date: 14 Apr 92 15:49:44 GMT
Article-I.D.: ucbeh.1992Apr14.104944.1103
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <1992Apr13.160401.3606@fmg.bt.co.uk>, ghbr@fmg.bt.co.uk (Hossein Bagherzadeh Rafsanjani) writes:
> In article <1992Apr11.193027.15780@athena.mit.edu> nsohrabi@athena.mit.edu (Naghmeh Sohrabi) writes:
> 
>> In article <kucfmvINNsc3@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahro
>> kh Mortazavi) writes:
>> |> In article <1992Apr10.175613.1082@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
>>  writes:
>> |> >
>> |> >I thought that seeghah was looked down upon in Iran. Isn't that the case?
>> |>
>> |> nope.  
> 
> Indeed, it was once featured in the Friday prayer's speach by the President
> (Hojjat-ol-Islam Rafsanjani) in which he prescribed for single women who feel

I read Mr. Rafsanjani's article on SRI sometime ago. There it was argued that
the institution of marriage and how it is viewed in Iran is not necessarily the
way Islam views marriage, indeed the more I'm reading these posts. I am also
rereading Sahla Haeri's book, I will get the ISBN number by this afternoon, the
more I am seperating how I view the Islamic ideal of marriage and social life
in general with what I feel to be the Islamic ideal. Of course I will run into
some disagreement with many people but, hey what can I say?

zafar

ps. there are somethings that Islam will not budge on Mr. Rafsanjani, marriage
is the only way a woman can get pregnant. There are no ands, ifs, or buts on
this issue, even if the society where YOU might come from has some strange
ideas about what marriage is all about.
From: minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Reply to  Bahaies  gang
Date: 10 Apr 92 21:58:07 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati

In article <kucfmvINNsc3@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>, smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
> In article <1992Apr10.175613.1082@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
>>
>>I thought that seeghah was looked down upon in Iran. Isn't that the case? 
> 
> nope.  its very much in practice, but mostly to 'get around the system'.  
> legalized rape, legalized prostitution, thinly disguised
> adultery, etc, etc.  quite a departure from seeghe's 'nobel' original
> intentions.
> 
> it was mentioned that ghor'aan states that one's actions were evaluated
> with the persons _intentions_ in mind.  how about the opposite?  id
> like to know, does ghoraan say anything about how we should punish
> those who hide 'evil intentions' behind 'legal actions' such as
> seeghe?
> 
>>I know in Sunniyah it is forbidden to have a temporay wife.
> 
> you dont have to answer this if you prefer not to, but have you
> had premarital sex?  if so, did you seeghe somone?  was that person
> aware of it?  how did you explain this to her (assuming she didnt know
> what it was)?  im simply curious...
> 
>>
>>zafar

For the first part, there are verses in the Quran which talk about people
manipulating God's words for convenience, it was meant particularly to Jews and
Christians at the time, but it those verses very much apply to Muslims in his
day and age. People who use the Quran simply to find loopholes, that is people
who are hellbent on following the letter of the law but don't care at all about
the spirit of the law are in for some trouble. So what does that tell you about
the Mullahs?

For the 2nd part, In Sunnis, there is absolutely no
such thing as mutua. It's either permanenent marriage or adultery. And as far 
as my personal life goes, hey man.....

sincerely
zafar
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Reply to  Bahaies  gang [somewhat long]
Date: 10 Apr 92 23:01:37 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <kubq8iINNpjb@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi) writes:
>In article <1992Apr10.033728.21663@wuecl.wustl.edu> seyyed@wuee1.wustl.edu (Seyyed Mahdavian) writes:
>
>
>no my dear zafar.  
            ^^^^^

whoops!  my sincere apologies zafar, that was meant to read seyyed.  its
been a long day!!
From: aby@cs.uow.edu.au (Hossein Sarrafzadeh)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Testing !!!!!
Date: 8 Apr 92 22:09:13 GMT
Organization: Dept of Computer Science, Wollongong University, Australia

this is just a test.  
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: marand@eagle.wpd.sgi.com (Najmeh Marand)
Subject: Gol-gAv-zaboon (was Re: The Flower of Cow's Tongue !!??)
Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc., Mountain View, CA
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1992 01:41:32 GMT


In article <amoojoon.36@ghahveh.khooneh.mash.yadollAh>,
amoojoon@ghahveh.khooneh.mash.yadollAh (Bacheh Morshed) writes:
> In article <1992Apr16.075655.11385@EE.Stanford.EDU>
mack@isl.Stanford.EDU (mack) writes:
> 
> 
> >Hi,
> 
> >Last night I was at a friend's house and her stomach wasn't feeling
> >too well. She said the cure is "gol-gAv-zaboon" (flower of cow's
> >tongue :-) or something like it. So she "damm"ed (brewed ?) some
> >"gol-gAv-zaboon" and we each drank some. It tasted good I thought, but
> >none of us had the slightest idea what it's made of, or even if we had
> >the name right. Could some kind soul (except the cow itself, since he
> >can't see what's growing on his tongue :-) shed some light on this
> >flowery matter?
> 
> >    Thanks,
> >    --mack
> 
> >P.S.
> >amoo joon, does "ghahve khoone ye mash yadollAh" serve "gol-gAv-zaboon"?
> 
>  DAdAsh zAdeh joon,
> 
>  Dast beh deleh amoo nazAr keh kabAbeh!
>  As far as I remember amoo always ran for his life whenever they mentioned 
>  that "ma'ajoon" around him! It's probably not bad at all except that it 
>  would not rank high on amoo's "taste bud chart".
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  dar zemn, neither mash YadollAh nor any another "mash" associated with amoo
>  serves/sells/cultivates/gargles/brews/smuggles/exports that kind of flower.
> 
>  chAyee meyl befarmAyeed amoo jan!
> 
>  amoo
> 
> 

Hi amoo joon!

In case you ever want or need to drink some gol-gAv-zaboon,
the trick for improving its' blah taste is adding some 
"limoo amAnee" while brewing it.  It helps!!

Also, I've heard that it (i.e. gol-gAv-zaboon) is good for
relaxing/calming the nervous system (aasAb).

Najmeh
From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Parsi Language (was Re: Amojoon's VAjeh-nAmeh)
Date: 8 Apr 92 12:47:16 GMT
Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU (Brad Hernlem)
Organization: North Carolina State University

In article <1992Apr08.064635.21273@eng.umd.edu>, alireza@eng.umd.edu
(Alireza Karimzadeh-Rad) writes:
> In article <ku41ccINNnlk@spim.mips.com> benf@mips.com (Ben Fathi) writes:
> >In article <1992Apr2.234435.3633@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
arash@sunee.waterloo.edu (Arash Jahangir) writes:
> >>
> >>Anyways I have two suggestions/requests:  The first is with regards to the 
> >>vAjeh-nAmeh (here is another complex word that is self explanatory).
I have
> >>noticed there are a number of verbs and expressions in English that have a
> >>strikingly similar counter part in Parsi.  Say for example "draw" this is 
> >>equivalent to "kesheedan" in Parsi.  Though the two verbs do not
sound close
> >>their usage is amazingly similar as in drawing a picture, drawing a sword,
> >>drawing the curtains, and as I once read in Merchant of Venice,
drawing breath.
> >>An example of similar expression is "do-roo" and "two faced",
"yek-rang" and
> >>"true-colour".  My firs suggestion is to add such words to the vAjeh-nAmeh
> >>or a similar listing.
> >
> >How about a listing of persian words/expressions that are totally bizarre
> >or hilarious when translated into other languages? Here's a few to get you
> >started:
> >
> >Expression		Literal Translation		Real Meaning
> >--------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Zamin khordam.		I ate the ground.		I fell down.
> >Pedaram dar oomad.	My father came out.		I got tired.
> >Delam gerefteh.		My heart has got [it].		I'm sad.
> >Booyash ra mishnavi?	Can you hear the smell?		Can you smell it?
> >Dast as saram bardAr.	Take your hand off my head.	Leave me alone.
> >Tokhm-e sag		Dog's egg			bastard
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >cheshmash do-do mireh.	His eyes go two-two.		He's dizzy.
> >Man midoonam bA to.	I know with you.		I'll take care of you.
> >							[I'll beat you up].
> >Dast be delam nazAr.	Don't put your hand on my	Leave me alone.
> >			heart.				[I am sad].
> >Dast az rish-e ma	Take your hand off my beard.	Leave me alone.
> >bardAr.							[you are bothering me].
> >
> >Let's hear some more. :-)
> >
> >	ben
> >
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but to the best of my knowledge this "tokhm"
> is not az oon tokhmha. Let's just say the type of tokhm it's refering to
> is not rare and expensive in Iran and its not sold by the "shooneh". 
> 
> 
> Tokhm shenasan aziz lotfan feel free to expand on this subject matter.
> 
> 
> Payandeh Baad Iran
> Alireza

This expression is used in English too; Son Of A Bitch.
                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The use of the word "seed" to mean a decendent is archaic in English but
it does exist.

Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)
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From: aref@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Modda'iyeh har hAzer va Vakileh har ghAyeb)
Subject: Re: Electronic MoshA'aereh (why not : -)?)
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 18:21:18 GMT

In article <1992Apr15.142358.17541@ohrd.uucp> ohrd!nbadie@cs.toronto.edu (Navid Badie) writes:
>
>daaram az zolfe siaahash gele chandaan ke mapors
>ke chenaan zoo shode-am bi sar o saamaan ke mapors
>
>kas be ommide vafaa tarke del o din makonaad
>ke chenaanam man az in karde pashimaan ke mapors
>
>'sin' bedahid doostan!
>

SeyyedA! BenmAy rokh keh bAgho GolestAnam Arezoost
			Bog-shAy lab, keh ghandeh farAvAnam Arezoost

teh ekh kon biyAd :-)

PS: I was supposed to be friendly, right?

:-)



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From: farhad@Tehran.Stanford.EDU (Farhad Shakeri)
Subject: Re: Electronic MoshA'aereh (why not : -)?)
Keywords: Poetry and more poetry
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organizatoin
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 06:22:41 GMT

In article derek@locus.com (Dariush Keyani-Yazdi) writes:
>
>man dard-e to rA ze dast AsAn nadaham
>			del bar-nakanam ze doost tA jAn nadaham
>az doost beh yAdegAr dardy dAram
>			kAn dard beh sad-hezAr darmAn nadaham
>
>				"Jalaloddin Mohammad Balkhi (Mowlavi)"
>
>bazam meem bedeh...
>
>
moddaee khAst ke Amad tamAshA gah rAz
			Daste ghayb Amad o bar seenaye nAmahram zad

							HAfez

-- 
         +----------------------------------------------------+
        /   Farhad  Shakeri         E-Mail:                  /
       /  Stanford   University     farhad@CS.Stanford.EDU  /
      / Computer Science Department                        /
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From: derek@locus.com (Dariush Keyani-Yazdi)
Subject: Re: Electronic MoshA'aereh (why not : -)?)
Keywords: Poetry and more poetry
Organization: Locus Computing Corp, Los Angeles
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 20:51:58 GMT

Farhad Shakeri writes:
>
>Doostan dar pardeh megooyam sokhan
>			gotfteh khAhand shod bedastAn neez ham.
>
>meem bedeh.

man dard-e to rA ze dast AsAn nadaham
			del bar-nakanam ze doost tA jAn nadaham
az doost beh yAdegAr dardy dAram
			kAn dard beh sad-hezAr darmAn nadaham

				"Jalaloddin Mohammad Balkhi (Mowlavi)"

bazam meem bedeh...

--
Dariush
From: wrightb@wharton.upenn.edu
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: ARE YOU ALL LIKE THIS
Date: 11 Apr 92 20:09:11 GMT
Organization: University of Pennsylvania

WHY are you people so radical.You seem to be down right violent.

At the slightest insult it seems as though you want blood.Is this

a thing about honor or is it something you are born with. Do the 

attitudes I observed thus far reflect a general attitude of middle

eastern people or is it just the folx posting to this news group?

I'm genuinely curios. 


                                                    STORM

P.S. ALL RESPONSES WELCOME
From: smortaz@handel.Eng.Sun.COM (Shahrokh Mortazavi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
Subject: Re: Reply to seyyed's reply...
Date: 13 Apr 92 19:26:14 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca.
NNTP-Posting-Host: handel

In article <1992Apr13.113728.1095@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> minhaszt@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:

>
>Federal Justice Adam Shukoor once said to me in regards to Islam, "Zafar, the
>gift is good, but the package is horrible." 

what an accurate summary.  if youve read my posts carefully, youd see
that ive repeatedly emphasized that the _essence_ of eslaam is perfectly
fine, and as mr shukoor says, only its packaging is horrible.  in our case,
unfortunately package delivery boy was pretty horrible too.

>Seyyed, "ud'u ila din-illah bi tarika-i-ahsan".
>
>Sharokh, not everything needs to be responded to. When someone personally
>insults me on the net, it is a rare thing if I ever respond back. This is 
>called "sabr". 
>I don't need to tell you what the Quran says about sabr, but it's
>a good thing. 

apparently seyyed skipped over that soore.

>I don't think there is any sort of "version" of Islam

then could you explain to me why according to such a mono-version,
"exact" religion, seyyed claims that hejaab is mandatory but you say
its not, that salmun rushdie _must_ die, no ifs or buts, but you say
thats absurd, etc etc?  if i remember correctly, he _flamed_you_ for
stating that rushdie needn't die.  he said something to the effect of
'keep your personal opinions to yourself, eslaam is very clear about
this, he must die'.  so how can this be that two devout moslems read an
'exact' religion's commandments so wildly differently?

, the
>closest thing is Sunni and Shia, and for reasons that I'd rather not get into,
>I'm not going to go any further than this. 

we know what the reasons are... it would look bad for two moslems to
disagree on the net after all this, especially considering how short
seyyed's fuse is.  but dont worry, i promise you, we will all see
a new, much more civil seyyed from now on.  the underlying goals have
been accomplished.

>There are differing personalities
>that make it look like there are different version of Islam. You just found a
>personality that you'd rather not wake up with. 

would you?

>I'm sure Seyyed thinks the same way about you.

probably so, but down deep he appreciates our exchanges.  he's learned
much from them.  trust me.

>sincerely
>
>zafar
>
>ps take this discussion off the net pleeeeeeeeeeeeease! 

i'll be more that happy to do that, its up to seyyed.  im only
mirroring his actions.
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian
From: fayegh@cs.ubc.ca (David Fayegh)
Subject: Re: ARE YOU ALL LIKE THIS
Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 92 06:23:54 GMT

In article <1992Apr11.150911.1> wrightb@wharton.upenn.edu writes:

>WHY are you people so radical.You seem to be down right violent.
>At the slightest insult it seems as though you want blood.Is this
>a thing about honor or is it something you are born with. Do the 
>attitudes I observed thus far reflect a general attitude of middle
>eastern people or is it just the folx posting to this news group?
>I'm genuinely curios. 
>                                                    STORM
>P.S. ALL RESPONSES WELCOME

Dear STORM,

	Thanks for your genuine curiosity.  However, before I can respond
to your comments, I need to know the answers to a few very simple questions:

(1) How long have you been reading this newsgroup and why?

(2) Who exactly are you referring to by "you people" in your first sentence
    above? Perhaps it would have been more appropriate to direct your 
    comments/questions to particular individuals or threads that seemed
    so "radical" and "down right violent" rather than generalize as you
    have. Wouldn't you agree? Just for the sake of fairness to those who
    post `quality articles'.

(3) Again, unless you are more specific about the "slightest insult" and
    why "it seems" to you "as though" `we' "want blood", I can not even attempt
    to satisfy your genuine curiosity.

(4) Would you be kind and please explain exactly what you mean by: "Is this a
    thing about honor or is it something you are born with." since I can 
    interpret this statement in several both negative and positive ways.

(5) How do you define middle east and "middle eastern people"? How many 
    individuals from the middle east do you personally know and have you
    ever been to the "middle east"?

Cheers for now, ToofAn (aka --df)
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