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              Please answer these 9 questions and return.

1.) Do you think equal rights for men and women is generally a good idea?
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2.) Are you pro choice?
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3.) Are you in favor of adoption?
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4.) Do you think men should be allowed to legally terminate their parental
rights and responsibilities before fetal viability?
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Other                [ ]

5.) What sex are you?
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6.) How old are you?
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7.) What religion are you?
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8.) What political party are you affiliated with?
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr@radian.uucp (markbr)
Subject: Georgie channeling?
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 14:04:18 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

Hey! I just heard the news this morning, and I realized that Georgie Bush
is now into psychic stuff: he must be channeling - and his spirit guide is
(pause one beat) Joe McCarthy

	mark, another draft dodger, as well as not a *real* Amurkan
		("I don't believe you can be a real American if you don't
			believe in God" - George Bush)
From: popec@freeside.com (PopeC)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: "Are you ready for the Rapture?"
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 00:21:21 CDT
Organization: Rivendell BBS / Hou, TX. / +1 713 941 2236

thomas@eagles.uucp (Thomas Hoffman) writes:

> > 
> > 
> > 	A nice, fun way to divert Christians is to throw Sub-genius propaganda 
> > at them and let them go tilting windmills! There's even a ANTI-SubGenius 
> > address that is run by the oganization. I managed to get abunch of local 
> > fundies who where picking on the local Pagans to make fools of themselves b
> > attacking the evil twisted plot of J.R. "Bob" Dobbs and his hordes of Satan
> > saucer-worshipping minions! They spent WEEKS in the pulpet slamming "Bob" a
> > I still don't think they got the joke.....
> > 
> > 
> > 			- Ashley
> hey, i've heard of the sub-genius. how does one get info. on the organization
> well met and wassail
> Thomas of House Hoffman
> 

Send $1.00 to:
  The Subgenius Foundation    P.O. Box 140306  Dallas, Tx.  75214
 
Ask for pamplet #1.  This is your entry to the World Of Total Slack.
You may also check your local cahin type bookstore or favorite weirdo 
underground type bookstore and look for "The Book Of The Subgenius",
by The Subgenius Foundation, published by Fireside Books.  This is 
usually found in the 'humor sections' rather than the 'Religion 
sections', but that is OK because it saves us from having to deal with 
religous nuts.  

Tell 'em Pope Charles sent you.


**********************************************************************
* Pope Charles - Subgenius pope Of Houston & The Golden Triangle Area*
*       Laughing at everything in the Universe, including the        *
*       concept of laughing at everything in the Universe.           *
*               rivdell.sccsi.com    Houston, Texas                  *
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From: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Subject: Re: Amazon warriors
Originator: bbooth@bcrks6
Reply-To: bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca (Brad Booth)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Ottawa
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 14:45:30 GMT


Janis replied:
> Murray Altheim said:
> 
> >A more reasonable conclusion is that men have generally been
> >raised to not only hold open doors for women, but PROTECT them as well.
> 
> Protect us from what?  Think about it.

Not protect you, protect the doors! ;)  Men don't like their doorknobs
handled by just anybody. ;)


Couldn't help it,

    __o     Brad Booth              | "If somebody feels really good
  _`\<,_    Bell-Northern Research  |  about who they are, they don't
 (*)/ (*)   Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |  feel threatened by what other
----------  bbooth@x400gate.bnr.ca  |  people are." - Dr. M. Rubenstein
From: mal@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Lewis Tanzos)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Clothing (was Re: Ceremony Suggestions?)
Date: 15 Oct 92 01:00:17 GMT
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida

> an725@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul L. Fortman, Jr.) writes:
> > I can NEVER stand to wear clothes.  
> > I just thought I would share that with you.
> > *Paul (a Naturist/Nudist, Taoist, Pagan, pseudo-shaman, et al.)
> *grin*
> that's why i like living in a basement with _no_windows_...
> nudity vs. light.  an amusing tradeoff...
> kate 

HEY!

That's _my_ basement.  You don't live there.....legally.

Yes, it is nice being able to wander around without having to
worry about clothing.  It's even nice and warm naturally. :)

Lewis
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Subject: Re: An amusing, but true story.
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 18:35:33 GMT
Organization: Radian Cormp.

In article <1137@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM> ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:
>
>In article <Bvn03E.4Dx@stonehenge.wltshr.uk>, itu73@stonehenge (George Bacon) writes...
>> 
>>     I think you guys are all wrong.  You  see,  the  cycle  goes
>>from  the  lowest insect life all the way up the chain to humans,
>>followed by the highest form of life, rocks.  
>> 
>>George Bacon
>>itu73@stonehenge.wltshr.uk
>
>
>	Oh dear Goddess, I've gotta tell this story now....
<hysterical story deleted for bandwidth>
>	So much for enlightened rocks!
>
>				- Ashley
Let's get this straight: you rocked them, and rolled outta there: right?
(B-)}

Sure there are enlightened rocks: pumice....

Hey! you're new! You probably haven't seen the joke somebody made a while
back, that I've repeated: 
   Q: how do you tell a *real* witch from a New Age witch?
   A: you load all their crystals on them and throw them in the water. The
	New Age witch will sink...

	mark

Xref: sparky alt.pagan:11132 alt.bacchus:155
From: pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.bacchus
Subject: Apollo vs Bacchus was Myer-Briggs <was: Re: a nice experience last night>
Date: 14 Oct 92 23:01:00 GMT
	<Bvxozu.B1r@access.digex.com> <1beo68INNjdn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Organization: In Vino Veritas

I forgot to mention in my prior post that there is a common misconception,
(from you Apollonians), that followers of Bacchus can never accomplish
anything constructive. Followers of Bacchus can't directly accomplish anything,
that's just not their style, but, take Bob Marley for instance. Clearly a
follower of Bacchus or jah-Bacchus if you prefer and clearly never accomplished
anything directly, but he was an agent of change and still is today. Of
course you strict Apollonians would never admit to such, it's not your style.
Now, get back to work! You heard what your boss George "New World Order"
Bush said, "A true American would never protest the actions of the government."
Don't listen to your heart, for its beat is the syncopated back beat of the
African drum, predecessor to the ska beat. Get back to work, there are always
things to do, messes to clean up, wars to be won. In Vino Veritas. Jah!
Ras TafarI!
From: jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Date: 10 Oct 1992 18:45:51 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


Ayers Rock. The big mother of a rock in the center of Australia is called
Ayers Rock.

Thassall for now- I'se sick...
-- 
Jessica McGeary
jmm25@po.cwru.edu
Case Western Reserve University
Remember! Arguments should be FUN!
From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: that quote about "foul enough for a witch to burn in."
Date: 7 Oct 92 16:52:59 GMT
Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin)
Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie

amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik) wrote:
> I've never had a problem believing the connection between "faggots"
> and kindling... the German term for a bassoon is "fagott," and the
> Italian "fagotto."  The bassoon is called this because of its
> resemblance to a bundle of sticks.

No problem with this half of the assertion.  The problem is with the other
bit: the use of "faggot" to mean "homosexual" is a modern US usage.  It is
not recorded from the time of the witch-burnings, or from any place where
gays were ever burned until the last few decades (and then only by people
imitating American TV characters; it has not entered general use in any UK
dialect).

Here it means a kind of miniature haggis, the "bundle of sticks" sense
having dropped out of use.

-- 
--  Jack Campin    room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University,
17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland   TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work)
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Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: mkkuhner@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Mary K. Kuhner)
Subject: Re: help from you guys
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 05:54:38 GMT

In article <2AD252EB.28154@news.service.uci.edu> cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:

[creationism in an anthro classroom]

>Any opinions?  Again, I don't want to let a remark like that just go,
>but I don't want to start something, and I most definitely don't want to
>waste the class's time frittering away the hour arguing with a fundie
>with rocks in their head.

I've TAed Evolutionary Genetics, which always seems to have at least one
creationist in it, but mine was not outspoken--I haven't actually faced
the problem you describe.  So this is theory not practice....

I think the best thing may actually be to let it go.  Asserting your
right to argue his statement, without letting anyone else have their
say, is just going to make your students feel you're abusing your
authority; and you're right, once you get into this argument you will
*never* hear the end of it (I refer skeptics to the newsgroup
talk.origins, the original perpetual motion machine).

"Religious explanations aren't within the scope of this course; we could
discuss them after the class if you want."  And then go on.

That's what I think I'd do, anyway.

Best of luck,

Mary Kuhner mkkuhner@genetics.washington.edu
From: J5J@psuvm.psu.edu (John A. Johnson)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
Date: 15 Oct 92 13:20:42 GMT
 <1992Oct14.222403.43855@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
Organization: Penn State University

In article <1992Oct14.222403.43855@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>,
kumagic@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Stephen R. Figgins) says:
>
>
>Then again, I think men are mostly scum.  I think they can recover
>from scumminess, but like alcoholics, I think we need to fess up to
>being scum before we can really start down the road to recovery.

Speak for yourself, Stephen.
From: wce@hogbbs.scol.pa.us (Bill Eichman)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Witches and death
Date: 9 Oct 92 18:28:39 GMT
Organization: The Heart of Gold BBS, Lemont PA

Private mail note to Gil Hardwick....

All mail I send you bounces. I will keep trying to resolve the problem.

Later, Bill Eichman
From: jmm25@po.CWRU.Edu (Jessica M. Mcgeary)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: bad woad puns.
Date: 16 Oct 92 02:38:12 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu


>Not exactly a pun, but what the hey:
>
>Blues Brothers II:
>
>A Suitcase Full of Woad
>(or Woaden with Woad, if you really MUST have a pun!)
         ^^?
>
>Featuring the '106 MIles to Chicago Mantra (revised)'
>
>It's 106 MIles to Chicago.  We have fresh horses, a full rack of stone-tipped
>spears, it's dark, and we're wearing nothing at all.
>
>Hit it.

   This one I like....
>
>AND:
>
>Illinois Fundies. I -hate- Illinois Fundies (storms through crowd, spear 
>	extended. Much carnage)

   Pfft. You should have people join in if they're going to charge the 
fundies, unlike in the movie where they were merely cheered on.

>ALSO:
>
>	This is a cop horse. It's got a cop bridle, a cop saddle, cop stirrups,
and cop horseshoes. Also a belly ful of cop oats.

   "And it's a model foaled before the common use of antibiotics during the 
mare's pregnancy, so it still runs good on regular hay..."

>     (to be said directly after Jake and Elwood jump over an open drawbridge)
> (For the Pun Aware: was that cop oats -- or compost?)

   You mean Jake and Elwoad.

-- 
Jessica McGeary
jmm25@po.cwru.edu
Case Western Reserve University
Remember! Arguments should be FUN!
From: gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: cats and magic (ritual circles)
Distribution: world
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 92 08:36:57 GMT
Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents


In article <Bvsz04.LLB@cck.coventry.ac.uk> aph016@cch.coventry.ac.uk writes:

There is a nice karma in this circle; especially when one has been
thinking about a thread but let it lapse, then watching it return for
your reply. What was that you wanted to share with us, Gil . . .?

 > Something along these lines, my cat used to cross the ritual circle,
 > during the ritual, without causing any problems. It just sat quietly until
 > I was finished, which is odd as it is usually very alert and active.
 >  
 > Apparently a friend of mine said that her little boy could also cross her 
 > circle without interference, any ideas as to why?

Not only cats, or little boys. All the wild (= undomesticated) things
will come into the circle. Domestic dogs won't but dingos will, and I
understand your wolves will too.

Quite a few years ago I read some stories of old Indian (American)
shamans singing whole herds of antelope into their circle when the
women and children were hungry.

When I had been living with Aboriginal people in their own lands I
found it much easier when hunting to dream the animal up to me, than
for me to go chasing it all over the bush. That way I could bring food
in almost every day so the children and old grannies had plenty to
eat, then in the afternoons we would sing and dance.

I do not know why, but they told me they had never seen a white man do
that before, like they do themselves traditionally. My youngest brother
can do it too, among other things I am working now to articulate so I
might share more with you nice people.

Gil

--
Gil Hardwick                                      gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au
Independent Consulting Ethnologist                            3:690/660.6
PERTH, Western Australia                                 (+61 9) 399 2401
   * * Sustainable Community Development & Environmental Education * *
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
From: std_beaulieu@hg.uleth.ca
Subject: g7v;Rastrology
Reply-To: std_beaulieu@hg.uleth.ca
Organization: University of Lethbridge
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:45:14 GMT

sun: sagittarius   dec.6, 1951  1.04 p.m. Amsterdam
moon: pisces
rising: pisces
does any one have a lot of info on moon's nodes. i have read some stuff on
the connection with reincarnation that I find fascinating. it seems
that the north node is the indicator of this life's task; the south what
one has to let go of in order to achieve it.....any more info out there?
From: dlg1@quads.uchicago.edu (deborah lynn gillaspie)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: chocolate ritual
Date: 9 Oct 92 15:07:03 GMT
Reply-To: dlg1@midway.uchicago.edu
Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations

Since I'm not equipped to handle personal requests for the wonderful
chocolate ritual that was in the last Circle Network News, I'm going
to post the bibliographic info and where you can get it. Unfortunately,
it's not in machine-readable form, and it's 'WAY too long to type in
even if that DIDN'T violate fair use copyright...<g> It's a lot of fun,
and I recommend it!

Steven Piziks, "Remembering Forgotten Gods," Circle Network News Issue 45
(Summer 1992 -- "Pagan Gatherings") page 11. 

The issue is available from Circle Network News, Box 219, Mt.Horeb,WI
53572. The price on the cover is $4.50, but that is probably NOT the
real price, since back issues are available for less (price depends
on availability.)

Chocolate Blessings to all, --Debbie

-- 
Internet:         dlg1@midway.uchicago.edu
Bitnet:           dlg1%midway@uchicago
From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: Halloween
Date: 14 Oct 92 03:05:24 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine

In article <81637@ut-emx.uucp> tdrga@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Todd Drga) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>This brings up an interesting point: why do so many women like to dress up
>as whores (her words, not mine) for H'ween?
>
>She figures they're repressed.  I can't offer an opinion, since I think its
>all in fun and don't take it seriously anyway.

I think it's because most women are repressed in a very convoluted and
hard to untangle way.  We like to be "snazzy" on Halloween, and it's a
time for "forbidden" things to come to the fore, as it were -- at least
that's the popular conception.

Well, for women, *S*E*X* is certainly one of the forbiddens, and our
ways of expressing the s-word are somewhat societally limited.  You may
have heard of the virgin/whore dichotomy.  You can't be pure and sexual
at the same time; if you are a sexual woman, you ARE a whore, or are
considered one in a general way.  Ergo, if a woman wants to express
something "forbidden," sex is going to be on the top of the list, and
the only way for a woman to appear sexual in this society is to look
like a slut.  Q.E.D.

Blessings,
Janis
From: corun@access.digex.com (Corun MacAnndra)
Subject: Re: Searching for a Path
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 15:01:03 GMT

In article <yw8LsB1w165w@brewich.hou.tx.us> kitten@brewich.hou.tx.us (Kitten) writes:
>Hello to all. I am hoping that someone can help me by helping me define
>the Path of Druidism. I have some various beliefs and think that this may 
>be the path I wish to follow, but I need more information on Druidism 
>before I can decide. I posted on another source and got no response 
>whatsoever, but hopefully some kindly soul hereabouts will take my hand 
>and lead me through the unrevealed (to me) parts of Paganism.
>
>T'anks...

Well, nobody *really* knows what the Druidic tradition was, since it was
passed down orally, and not written. There are, however, several books on
what the given authors believe might have been the tradition. I haven't
read any of them, so I can't vouch for their integrity. Logic would seem
to indicate that choosing authors/books from Ireland/England/Wales/Scotland
would tend to be the most accurate. But this is only a guess.

I hope this helps.

Bb,

Corun


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From: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Subject: Re: The Serpent
Reply-To: ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org (Ciaran Benson)
Organization: LaserMaster Technologies, Minneapolis, MN
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 92 16:49:30 GMT

In article <-1367554605snx@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au>, gil@Gilsys.DIALix.oz.au (Gil 
Hardwick) writes:
> Why are Westerners so terrified of snakes still today,

  Well, for myself, having grown up in northern swampland
means that anything that slithers is _PROBABLY_ poisonous,
or at least will really, really hurt if you get bit -- which
tends to be kinda likely if you actually manage to walk up
and surprise a cotton-mouth.

  Funny thing about cotton-mouths is that they're the only
snake that strikes further than their body's length by hurling
themselves like a spring at their target.  I've seen one leap as
far as six feet through the air to bite a stick.  I still freeze when
I  see something slither until I _KNOW_ it's only a "guardersnake".
We've got a couple other snakes up here that are nasty enough
that I've actually heard folks say; "Whew, it's only a rattler."

  As for the rest of snake-hate, I suppose it still has
something to do with the "snakes" being driven out ...

  "I laid me down and went to sleep
   and dreamed an ancient dreaming.
   Of Ireland free and proud again,
   full of Pagans and of freedmen.

   But Patric drove the Druids out,
   and brought the churchmen in.
   'Twas a bloody poor bargin, I would say --
   be Pagan once again!

   Be Pagan once again,
   be Pagan once again.
   'Twas a bloody poor bargin, I would say,
   be Pagan once again!

   [... final verse, just in case you thought it got P.C. ...]

   Hang every churchman from a tree,
   burn out their golden dens!
   It's the only damned way we'll e'er be free,
   be Pagan once again!"

  The Minnesota Mummer's Society has a couple of snake-plays
where the Goddess in Her guise of Dragon returns to slay those
who tried to drive Her out.

  Sitting with my feet up on my chair, Ciaran ... who doesn't like
snakes much at all.

------------------------
Ciaran@county.lmt.mn.org                      Not an LM spokesbeing

  "... hey but I don't care cause sometimes I said sometimes I hear
   my voice and it's been HERE silent all these years" -- TORI AMOS
From: markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr)
Newsgroups: alt.pagan
Subject: Re: An amusing, but true story, And where is Nancy?
Date: 9 Oct 92 17:38:59 GMT
Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, Texas

In article <1162@abb-sc.abb-sc.COM> ksm@abb-sc.abb-sc.com (Ashley) writes:
>
>
>> 
>>Hey! you're new! You probably haven't seen the joke somebody made a while
>>back, that I've repeated: 
>>   Q: how do you tell a *real* witch from a New Age witch?
>>   A: you load all their crystals on them and throw them in the water. The
>>	New Age witch will sink...
>> 
>>	mark
>
>		AAarrgh! That's TERRIBLE. I like it! Reminds me of how I "came 
>out of the broom closet" to a friend who had been suspecting for some time. 
>We where in a Honda motorcyle shop, jumping on various bikes and drooling 
>over what we couldn't afford. There was an old broom in the corner, so I 
>grabbed it and shouted at her "Hey! Where's the throttle on this one?"
>
>			I don't think the Honda dealer got it either.
>			.........Guess you had to be there.
>
>					- Ashley
>
But was it a sports model (plastic) or a family model (wood & straw)?

	(B-)}

	mark