HDTenEightyP/NetNews huggingface dataset:
From: asamonte@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...)
Subject: Re: Bots, WarBots, Fun?
Organization: Nothing worth mentioning...
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 02:36:12 GMT

gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) was telling me...
>Herman H. Fredriksson (herm@merlin.etsu.edu) wrote:
>: In article <1992Nov6.084134.17493@ugle.unit.no> gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
>: >> I still feel alt.irc.bot would be useful (...)
>: NOT.
>I guess that is what we are discussing, or what?
>: > [..people message this dude becos they want to have a whizbang bot too..]
>Do you know how annoying that is?
>: > Also, programming techniques could be shared, so that all bots would be
>: Lame, weenie bots which give people a op (oh w0w) can be share/copied.
>I said PROGRAMMING TEXHNIQUES, and giving people an op can be a bit more than
>a single /on -join Gard mode $C +o $0
>  As an example, I have on Glurg this one:

[script deleted]

It's basically the same thing.  It just checks user@host and name...BFD.

>This is not just an op, but an ensurement that only I will have my Nick - at
>least on channel #24892. This will prevent abuse of Glurg's mode commands.

It's just an op.

>Also, earlier on, Glurg walked freely around on different channels commenting
>things, responding to whatever the people said, and in most cases, it would
>take quite a while or a /whois Glurg to discover that he was a bot. Now, that
>need a little more programming technique than a /on join Gard mode $C +o $0

Not much more.  /on public "*keyphrase"  Oh joy.

>: >optimized accordingly, and we could have fewer bots because bot programmers
>: 
>: Oh my god, the word bot, and optimized in the same sentence.
>
>Surprised by that? Optimizing could be like... having an assigned variable
>containing all the channels the bot is supposed to visit. and than just move
>a pointer every time he's supposed to visit a new channel, rather than having
>24892 on timer statements.

Why they hell would you have a bot 'visit' channels?  Why not just have 
it on all the channels at once?
 
>: 
>: >could agree to have only ONE bot with that and that function, and so on,
>: There is no agreement. That is why we have bot wars. 
>
>Of course there is no agreement - now. That is because the bot programmers
>don't have a forum in which they can get the agreement. Whilst on IRC, they
>are more interrested in debugging their bot or talking social stuff with
>others. A newsgroup like alt.irc.bots would work fine for that.

Hardly.  Ok...you tell me how to resolve this problem, and then maybe
it will work.  Who would run this one bot?  EVERYONE would want to run
it so they can say it's their bot.  If someone else runs it it's no fun.
Why do you think so many people have them instead of sharing them?

MsgServ was the original msg bot, and now with the password protected NoteServ
people still use the excuse of 'getting messages' for justification for
having a bot.  WHen NoteServ already serves that purpose.

-Alex

Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: tspindle@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (tom spindler)
Subject: Re: macintosh irc client needed
Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:00:40 GMT

In article <timm.721008602@xongmao> timm@xongmao.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren) writes:
>catesc@vccsouth14.its.rpi.edu (Chris Cates) writes:
>
>>P.S.  I heard that the programmer is also really lazy and needs more 
>>      encouragement to finish the bug fixes and other features.  So, if
>>      ya get it, use it, and like it, email him and tell him to get
>>      off his lazy butt so we'll see v1.0 soon!
>
>So true, so true.  Homer could be the greatest thing since goat
>milk, but I'm just not too sure about it...after all, with a name
>like Blue Cow what can you expect...but what's with the no copy &
>paste stuff?  I thought it was criminal to write a Mac. app. that
>didn't support copy & paste.

Well, what do you expect from a guy that supposedly didn't even know
that you have to allocate memory for variables, instead of trusting the
compiler? I mean, come on. It's amazing the program has gotten this far.



Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: herm@acme.etsu.edu (Herman H. Fredriksson)
Subject: Re: Bots, WarBots, Fun?
Summary: since when is "bots, warbots, fun" a question? 
Keywords: bots, are, lame.
Organization: East Texas State University, Commerce, Texas, USA
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 04:54:18 GMT

mkwg9074@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (M. K. Weaver) writes:
>titus@coombs.anu.edu.au (titus chiu) writes:

>>didn't you say irc was your home earlier? and when you are not home, you aint
>>there to talk to anyone. This is a perfect example of an absolutely useless
>>bot that the 'programmer' claims to have use for.

>       [..far fetched stuff about trying to censor science fiction..;)]
	
>	YEAH YEAH far fetched...but what are you wanting to
>	do stifle everyone's imagination? 

Lets face facts, it doesnt require much immagination to invent something
for which there are already in excess of 200 of on irc. Most of them
are copied from some other loser anyway.

>	Oh on a practical note...Is this bot then Gard's 
>	personal <as opposed to impersonal> answering machine/
>	representative on the channel. When/If view phones
>	become wide spread...wouldn't you want a representative
>	of you to answer your phone?

Answering machines are impersonal. eg. You feel bored, you think to
yourself, hey.. I'll call gard on the phone and have a nice chat.
And his answering machine answers.. do you then have a 45 minute
chat with his answering machine? Or you just hang up? 
When/IF view phones become wide spread (they have them already in
Singapore ;), I'll want to answer the phone myself if I'm there
and let them have an engaged tone if I'm not. View phones calls
cost money, and I dont want the poor sucker to waste his time
looking at some cardboard impersonal cutout of me and some
lame message.

same far fectched disclaimer as you had applies to the above.

>	bfn <bots for now>
>	Monica

herm
(say NO to unattended bots)
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Newsgroups: alt.irc,alt.irc.ircii
From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke)
Subject: Re: Keep the flood.
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 22:57:52 GMT

In article <1992Nov10.115138.27036@ugle.unit.no> gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
)Now try this:
)/on -list * list
)and then
)/list
)
)Now have some fun for yourself, trying to figure out why the hell IRC has
)been so badly programmed.

This doesn't mean ircii has been badly programmed.  It's possible to do
stupid things in any language.  I would rather have a language allow
flexibility (and the possibility of mistakes) than a "bondage & discipline
language".  Would you prefer to have ircii crippled so that idiots couldn't
shoot themselves in the foot?
-- 
Laws are for other people.
hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
From: stevem@cs.utexas.edu (Steve Anthony Mariotti)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: macintosh irc client needed
Date: 12 Nov 1992 03:37:27 -0600
Organization: U Texas Dept of Computer Sciences, Austin TX
Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: tokio.cs.utexas.edu

In article <3471@carroll1.cc.edu> dprust@carroll1.cc.edu (Dan Prust) writes:
>>On 06-Nov-92 in Re: macintosh irc client ne..
>>user Patrick Parker@epx.cis.u writes:
>>>>P.S.  I heard that the programmer is also really lazy and needs more 
>>>>      encouragement to finish the bug fixes and other features.  So, if
>>>>      ya get it, use it, and like it, email him and tell him to get
>>>>      off his lazy butt so we'll see v1.0 soon!
>>> 
>>Yeah.. I talked to the programmer too Chris, he does seem to be lazy. 
>>Everytime I try to tell him something about adding some new option or button,
>>he usually ignores me.  From what some of his friends tell me, he spends most
>>>of his time sleeping and the rest of the time spending quality time with his
 dog.  Sounds to me like some sort of chemical imbalance, but who cares, it's a
>>>hell of a IRC client program for the Mac.
>
>>I heard he's an alchoholic Streetfighter II nerd...I think he spends
>>most of his time playing with video games, drinking and sleeping.
>> Well I just hope we get to see 1.0 before the turn of the century..
>

Well I've heard he's got a lot of tattoo's, is really into Tori Amos, and 
bathes 3 times a day for fear of carpet parasites.  He's a whiz on Super
Mario Cart and bakes ONE HELL of a key lime pie.

Homer, however, is a complete work of art.  All other Macintosh IRC clients
pale completely in comparison.  From the handy dandy features to the eye-
popping visuals, it absolutely can't be beat.  I've used ircle, Yakkity Yak,
and Homer, and Homer is DEFINATELY the way to go.

Get it and use it, you won't regret it.  The current authorized most-recent-
version is 0.87 but the programmer might let you have a sneak peak at 0.88
which features some really nice enhancements if you're really nice to him
and give him some high-altitude baking tips.

Seriously:  if you have a Mac and you IRC, get homer.  It's available on
zaphod.ee.pitt.edu in the /pub directory in both serial and TCP/IP versions.

Steve

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Newsgroups: alt.irc,alt.irc.ircii
From: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen)
Subject: Calling upon the creators.
Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 11:54:16 GMT

acsrdl@UMASSD.EDU wrote:
: In article <1992Nov10.123734.7967@ra.oc.com>, herm@acme.etsu.edu (Herman H. Fredriksson) writes:
: {flames}
: >gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:>
: >>/Gard
: {more flames}
: >herm
: 
: Will you two please take this somewhere else?
: Thank you.
: 
: Rich

It surely is an irritating debate, and it seems we will never agree upon the
subject of bots this way. May I suggest the ones who started IRC say something
clever about the matter, and then, perhaps, everybody eventually will be happy.

Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: noord@ucs.orst.edu (its MR. DAVO to you...)
Subject: Re: Think about it (bots and ircII bots) [WAS: I want my own bot]
Organization: University Computing Services - Oregon State University
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 23:58:15 GMT

currently, i have a bot, written in IRCII (script/language...im NOT gonna get
into this argument), but i am interested in writing it in C/pascal.
would anyone be so kind as to send me a copy of their bot in C or PAscal
so that i could figure out how to make it work with IRC *BTW, i do know
C and Pascal very well, just not its interfacing eith IRC.*
I dont read news often, send replies to:
noord@ucs.orst.edu
Thank you,
Davo/noord/David Noor
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: jerodh@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Jerod J. Husvar)
Subject: Mirkwood.mcs.kent.edu and sorry if this ir a repeat.
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 17:52:26 GMT

Attention Anyone who Cares.

Mirkwood.mcs.kent.edu is down until further notice.  The entire Kent State
Math/Computer Science department was apparently compromised bya destructive
cracker last week.  The staff are busily restoring the system and mirkwood's
reconstruction is low on the list.  

Thank you.

Jerod J. Husvar
IRC Admin, Kent State University, Kent, Ohio

Newsgroups: alt.itc
Subject: Mirkwood.mcs.kent.edu
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: 
Keywords: 

Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Mirkwood.mcs.kent.edu
Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: 
Keywords: 

Attention Anyone who Cares.

Mirkwood.mcs.kent.edu is down until further notice.  The entire Kent State
Math/Computer Science department was apparently compromised bya destructive
cracker last week.  The staff are busily restoring the system and mirkwood's
reconstruction is low on the list.  

Thank you.

Jerod J. Husvar
IRC Admin, Kent State University, Kent, Ohio

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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: rpointe@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robey Pointer)
Subject: Re: Bots, WarBots, Fun?
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 21:24:43 GMT

gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:

>I said PROGRAMMING TEXHNIQUES, and giving people an op can be a bit more than
>a single /on -join Gard mode $C +o $0
>  As an example, I have on Glurg this one:

>on -leave gard assign isgard 0
>on -signoff gard assign isgard 0
>on  -join   "* #24892" who -nick $0
>on #-who 1 "* gard" if "[$3@$4]=[gard@data3d.mrih.no]" "assign isgard 1" "assign isgard 0"
>on #-who 2 "* gard" if "[$3@$4]=[gardabr@unix1.mrih.no]" "assign isgard 1"
>on #-who 3 "* gard" if "[$3@$4]=[gardabr@158.38.66.44]" "assign isgard 1"
>on #-who 4 "* gard" if "[$3@$4]=[gard@158.48.66.43]" "assign isgard 1"
>on #-who 5 "* gard" if "[$isgard]=[1]" "mode $0 +o $1" "kick $0 $1"
>assign isgard 0

>This is not just an op, but an ensurement that only I will have my Nick - at
>least on channel #24892. This will prevent abuse of Glurg's mode commands.

What about people who do a /NICK?  Your bot won't catch that.

>Also, earlier on, Glurg walked freely around on different channels commenting
>things, responding to whatever the people said, and in most cases, it would

This is VERY BAD.  A bot should NEVER do this.  As a general rule, a bot should
not join any channel except its "host" channel uninvited.

>Of course there is no agreement - now. That is because the bot programmers
>don't have a forum in which they can get the agreement. Whilst on IRC, they
>are more interrested in debugging their bot or talking social stuff with
>others. A newsgroup like alt.irc.bots would work fine for that.

This is a vote of YES for alt.irc.bots

robey
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From: herm@coombs.anu.edu.au (Herman H. Fredriksson)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Supidity of the Lambs ! (Services)
Date: 14 Nov 1992 04:41:41 GMT
Organization: Coombs Computing Unit, Australian National University, Canberra.
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2
Summary: bots are lame
Keywords: bots, are, lame.
X-Disclaimer: All normal USENET common sense rules apply.. go look em up.

>>ever heard of noteserv or msgserv? (does msgserv run anymore?)

>These are not bots. These are services. A service needs to be registered
>with the server that it lives on, and it receives more information than
>your normal client. At this stage, only service.de has the service code in
>it , and it hasn't been released. (please someone, hassle them to release it)

No where do I see titus claiming that NoteServ or MsgServ are bots. However
MsgServ was a Automated Client, which didnt connect as a service class. It
was however a service. NickServ in the past did not connect as a service 
class neither, but was still a service. Regardless, they are automated 
clients with extra information passed to them, granted. 

>The different between noteserv and 80% of the idiot bots, is that the admin
>of the site knows of the "cyborg" and allows it to run. 

No, actually, the main difference is that NoteServ actually provides a 
service to a large amount of users. The "idiot bots", are mostly
self serving vantiy pieces of shit, used to boost the egos of their
weenie owners and compensate for their small penis size.

>If bots could be killed because they're running on servers with the administration
>knowing about it, then the irc-world would be a happy place.

Hmmm, do you mean "if bots can be killed if they are run on servers 
where the administrators do not approve?". I guess finding out
whether a service is approved by the admin is difficult unless they
are given "service" class connection (refer to service.de). Once again
`policing' unauthorised `bots' is not easy either.

>Hang on, that would imply that the admins of servers are responsible people.
>That would imply that servers are only being run because they need to be.

heh.. you arent trying to turn this thread from Vanity Bots to Vanity Servers
now are you? :)

>Please direct any/all complaints/enquiries to thecure@ee.mu.oz.au

herm
(say NO to unattended bots)
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Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: rpointe@hubcap.clemson.edu (Robey Pointer)
Subject: Re: Amazing Stories
Organization: Clemson University
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 16:31:50 GMT

thecure@ee.mu.OZ.AU (matthew aardvarkious) writes:

>The following is an untouched true extract from #twilight_zone

><Rothbard> How do I get the /list command to wait for me to read a page?  (It scrolls off too fast to read, now)
><DWalker> type /set hold_mode on
><Silek> try /set hold_mode on
><Rothbard>  
><Rothbard> You guys are great!  thanks!
><Silek> Wow, we are great ..
>> wow! a compliment!
><Morkeleb> he prolly said it on the wrong channel ..
><DWalker> Congrats, break out the champaign :)
><Silek> must be

>Believe it or not.

The more amazing thing to me, is that:
  a) he got an answer
  b) it wasn't some inane joke like "type /sig list! hahaha!"

robey
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From: timm@xongmao.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Tim McClarren)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: macintosh irc client needed
Date: 6 Nov 92 00:10:02 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

catesc@vccsouth14.its.rpi.edu (Chris Cates) writes:

>P.S.  I heard that the programmer is also really lazy and needs more 
>      encouragement to finish the bug fixes and other features.  So, if
>      ya get it, use it, and like it, email him and tell him to get
>      off his lazy butt so we'll see v1.0 soon!

So true, so true.  Homer could be the greatest thing since goat
milk, but I'm just not too sure about it...after all, with a name
like Blue Cow what can you expect...but what's with the no copy &
paste stuff?  I thought it was criminal to write a Mac. app. that
didn't support copy & paste.

-- 
Tim McClarren     | "...a bajillion brilliant Jobsian lithium licks."
timm@ncsa.uiuc.edu|
(217)244-0015     |
From: jrg@doc.ic.ac.uk (James Grinter)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: Supidity of the Lambs !
Date: 09 Nov 92 19:25:10 GMT
Organization: Dept. Of Computing, Imperial College of STM, UoL, UK
NNTP-Posting-Host: dove.doc.ic.ac.uk
In-reply-to: gardabr@unix1's message of 9 Nov 92 12:22:43 GMT

In article <1992Nov9.122243.15596@ugle.unit.no> gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:

   The logic is, for instance, that only certain people are supposed to have
   op on that channel, some people might ruin it and make a hell of a noise
   this has happend once, and I do not wish a repitition of that. 

But if all the people on that channel know who are the people that
should have op on that channel then what's the problem? After all, if
there's no-one on the channel then it dies. What's the problem here?

   Yes, I know Glurg is on 24 hours a day. This is because some of the
   people I know do not have email capabilities, and Glurg works as a
   communication channel between me and them, as we usually are not there
   at the same time. Yes, I need it.

What's wrong with the already supplied NOTSERV? It already takes care
of the authentication and other issues. cf. your comments on not
reinventing the wheel.

James.
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"If it ain't broken, don't fix it!"
From: mark@coombs.anu.edu.au (Mark)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: IRC Service channels.
Date: 7 Nov 92 03:20:34 GMT
Organization: Australian National University
NNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.76.2
Organisation: Wassat?!

tel1568@tamuts.tamu.edu (Thomas Edward Landrum) writes:
>This message is being posted for a friend.

>Well gang, I must offer my most sincere thanks and admiration for 
>those who made #Election such an incredible success.
>As far as I am concerned this demonstrates the power we have 
>collective access to through IRC.  I'd like to see a little more 
>of this kinda thing and a little less of the bot wars, ad nauseam.


>Wow, you know what would be COOL?  If a couple of microphones were 
>strung up in the chambers of congress and a computer running 

Your suggestion reminds me of a service I've been wanting to implement
for sometime. I have on my desk at work an AAP (Australian Associated
Press) newsfeed, i.e. an ascii link to the raw news that the newspapers
then convert into the articles you read. We use it for the students and
their journalism reporting etc. It's basically the most recent you'll
get as the radio stations and newspapers all get most of their material
from this source. TV uses it as a basis for discovering stories.

Subject to the licencing constraints (I dont know what they are, which 
is the main problem so far), I was thinking of a channel where a robot
simply sat there and pumped the latest news into a channel.

It's possible to distinguish between news subjects such as aus-news,
int-news and even federal parliament. The amount of data sent to the 
channel would be easily controllable, either by smart software
abbreviating key phrases or just parsing out articles deemed lame.
Certainly it wouldnt sit there dumping, more like an article a minute
with the article being 10-20 lines.

I'd have to get the ok for this from the powers that be because it's
a AUS$6,000 a year service and it operates 24 hours a day. If I wasnt
given that permission then I couldnt do it with the feed at _my_ work,
*but* if anyone else out there has one and is able to offer the data
then I can send an IRC perl robot to interface the news to IRC.

Please contact me if you have any comments on this.

Mark
markm@rmit.edu.au       <------ Send AAP email to this address.
Newsgroups: alt.irc
From: doc@uiuc.edu
Subject: Re: client command line code
Originator: jvmg9796@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Reply-To: doc@uiuc.edu
Organization: A temporary reversal of entropy
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 04:25:46 GMT

ngmitche@mtu.edu (Nathan Mitchell) writes:

>I can actually see a legitimate need for this.  Lots of lame users think they
>are obligated to use some server in Japan to IRC from USA.  :P

Unfortunately Ive only received one response on how to do it, and it didnt
work. :(  I guess the lusers win again.
From: tose@unix03.dhmolde.no (Torbjoern Ose)
Newsgroups: alt.irc
Subject: Re: client command line code
Date: 8 Nov 92 15:40:58 GMT
Organization: DhMolde - Computer Science
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]

: I have seen some completely clueless people /servering all across the
: place because they think that different servers have different people
: to talk to...
: 
: -Alex
: 

Actually here in norway you very often have completely different people on
another server.... (The norwegians on your default server and the world on a
non norwegian server)

Don't ask me why!

Cheers,

hackbear@irc