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From: silverma@nunki.usc.edu (David Silverman)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: queer brains?
Date: 15 Aug 92 02:21:43 GMT
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In article <l8oq6fINNauu@nunki.usc.edu> silverma@nunki.usc.edu (David Silverman) writes:
>andrew harker writes:
>>Not to pick nits or anything, but for the edification of our
>>reading audience, could you let us know what education or training
>>has helped you make this observation?  I'm always interested in
>>the credentials someone has when making an "expert opinion."
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I never said I was an expert, when I referred to "experts" I meant things
that I have read from research. All I said is people should be careful
in the conclusions they draw.
Its just like someone from Stanford to try to put down someone's 
opinion because of their inferior schooling. But for the record, I
have an engineering background (from Berkeley, if that matters).

Dave

PS I did not really mean what I said about Stanford, old rivalries die hard.
From: lancep@panix.com (Lance Paavola)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Rob Bernardo: Obituary
Summary: New York Times obituary for Rob Bernardo
Keywords: Rob Bernardo BoldBear obituary
Date: 16 Aug 92 13:03:00 GMT
Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC

Most of you don't know me, since I haven't been on the Net long
and have only posted here once or twice.

Rob Bernardo was a longtime and special friend.  We met in a CR group
in 1972 and together helped form The Velvet Hammer, a gay men's
collective house in Ithaca in 1973-74.

...

I'm finding it's still difficult to write a eulogy for Rob.  So for now
I'm just posting the obituary that appeared in Saturday's and Sunday's
New York Times:

BERNARDO--Robert, on August 13, 1992, at his home in Concord, CA.
  Devoted son of Betty and the late Jack.
  Beloved brother of Claire.
  Good neighbor and loving friend.
  Service Monday, August 17th, 9:30 AM,
    Temple Emanuel, Hillside Ave., New Hyde Park, NY.

Goodbye, loving friend.

--

Lance (lancep@panix.com)
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From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
Subject: Republican Convention
Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 92 15:49:01 GMT

I heard last night that Bush and Quayle have been officially acclaimed
as the presidential and vice-presidential team for the Republican Party.
It was no surprise of course, but I was disappointed to hear it anyway.
My sympathies to the U.S..

On the lighter side, our politicians here have just hammered out a deal
which would rework the House of Commons and the Senate from the ground
up.  Rumour has it they're toying with the idea of introducing democracy. B{)

Brian
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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 18 Aug 1992 09:19:43 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug18.122434.5222@macc.wisc.edu> 
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
> In article <l9118uINN9g0@mizar.usc.edu>
> adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolphson) writes:
...
> >Am I expected to fall in love with everyone?  Am I expected
> >to like everyone?  Why?
>
> Did someone say you were?

It comes across loud and clear in more than a few people's
postings.  I'm just not willing to be party to the lovefest
without seeing the goods first.

....
> You rather like the idea of being bitchy, Arne, as though it
> were something.  

There are many different kinds of bitchy, as you well know, Jess.
In any case, when overgrown boyscouts come crashing onto the scene 
with suggestions we play party games, I can't help it if I snap
back.  And I haven't noticed *your* introduction, Jess, dear.

>                  Despite the resemblance, you're not Joan
> Crawford.

There isn't even much resemblance: I don't have freckles and 
buck teeth.

Arne

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From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Subject: Re: in the deanery
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 92 14:16:02 GMT


In article <4577@news.duke.edu> dblakele@acpub.duke.edu
(Dean Blakeley MD) writes:

>In article <1992Aug14.181520.11992@cis.ohio-state.edu>
>amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

>>arnold (the swiss, not the chinese, arnold)

>And such a dear he is.

Such dears they both are, actually.

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From: adye@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com (Alan Dye)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay scene in Boise?
Date: 15 Aug 92 17:41:11 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise, ID

The Gay Scene in Boise.      Hmmmm........

I'm not a lesbian, (obvious, no?) so I can't speak definitively for the
Wymin's (sp?) scene, but, let me see....

FYI, there is a discussion in HP.FORUM that is taking place at this 
very moment about the general living environment in the Boise area, so I
will skip over that part.  Notes header is "So What is Boise Really Like?",
and there are about 40 posts at my last check.  

There are two "gay" bars here.  The Emerald, and the Oly.  Severe warnings
about the Oly.  It is SEEDY!!!!  It has the feeling equivalent of committing
an immoral act in a barn.  Even if you are just drinking...

The Emerald, is a bar for the younger and trendier crowd as far as the
gay male poplulace is concerned.  I know quite a few lesbians who go there
as well.  

Two other places worth mentioning.  Moxie Java, a coffee house is a fairly
common place to gather.  Additionally, you simply must check out "flicks."
It's an alternative theatre, showing films such as "Edward II", and other
non-mainstream films.  They also have a patio where they serve food.  The
food is generally good, and they are very gay positive.  They have copies
of the local gay news paper available in racks at the counter.   The 
"triangle connection" meets here on the 2nd thursday of every month for
dinner and a meeting.

There are a few galleries, summer festivals, and the University here to
appease, (not satisfy) a craving for the arts.  The environment here is
-very- conservative, but getting better.  

As far as being gay, and working at HP's Boise site, why don't you have
her e-mail me.  I'll try to answer her questions, or put her in contact
with some of the lesbians that I know that work on site.  

Boise has a gay/lesbian news paper that is published montly.  Used to 
be called the "out" but the name changed last month.  Can't remember
what it's called now.

The city in general is pretty good, but doesn't compare to larger cities
like Seattle, Salt Lake, etc... in the surrounding area as far as
entertainment and services go.  The University does have a GALA group that
is open to everyone.

Alan


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From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: UNGAY GAY ad report (probably the last)
Date: 12 Aug 1992 17:51:39 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

In article <1992Aug13.003011.5545@cis.ohio-state.edu> 
amz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:

> meanwhile, i have this picture of "richard" meeting his ad-date
> "robert" in syracuse or denver or san luis obispo, [...]

And this is *exactly* what strikes me still as so fishy about
the Ungay Gay ad.  Why would someone in Boston place an ad
in Syracuse or, of all places, *SAN* *LUIS* *OBISPO*?  The only
thing I can imagine is that "Richard" applied to a dozen universities,
and he placed ads in the alternative newspapers in the cities
where the universities are located.  That strikes me as remotely
possible.  *Remotely* possible.

I'm still suspicious.

Arne

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From: emcmanus@gr.osf.org (Eamonn McManus)
Subject: Re: Powell's Bookstore
Organization: Open Software Foundation Research Institute, Grenoble
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 13:23:35 GMT

roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
>"Never eat anything bigger than your head."

Another Miss Piggy fan!

,
Eamonn
From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 22 Aug 1992 14:29:16 -0700
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu

I swore I wouldn't post again in this thread.  But I couldn't
let this stand.

In article <64442@cup.portal.com> 
Furr@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
> Greg Parkinson writes:
> >Perhaps I'm a bit testy because of Rob's death - it's
> >a little too close to home right now.
> >
> >Perhaps I'm disappointed that someone would commemorate
> >Rob's death by being nasty to someone else looking for
> >help in dealing with it.  That's a new feeling for me
> >here, and I don't care for it.
>
> I think this is spot-on. Arne's posting came across like
> telling someone crying at a funeral to "quit yer snivelin'!"
> Crude, insensitive and nasty.

OK, boys and girls, let's look at the first paragraph of
Lovegod's post again.

In article <1992Aug16.040630.8682@wam.umd.edu>, Lovegod wrote:

>Hi everybody!  It's been a delightful summer!

>The loss of Rob Bernardo saddens me, but what saddens me more is the fact that>I did not know him.

>I'm proposing that everyone here introduce themselves as though noone else  
>knows them. I know it may end up being very repetitive and monotonous, but new>motss don't know who any of us are.  I still don't know too much about anyone 
>here.  Most of the preliminary posts that new people read provide little or no>insight of the authors.  I really would like to get to know everyone here at  
>soc.motss ... Here's my entry ...  [...]

Most of the people I meet at funerals don't walk in the
door and say, "Hi everybody!  It's been a delightful summer!"
I don't see that Lovegod was mourning Rob's death.  I don't
see that he had problems dealing with Rob's death.   I don't
see this posting as a commemoration of Rob.  All I see is that 
Lovegod felt this would be a good opportunity to tell us about 
himself.  If you noticed, I deleted the reference to Rob in
my follow-up. I was offended by what I took to be Lovegod's 
opportunitstic attempt to jump on the bandwagon.  And after
all of what's happened in this thread, I still think my reading
of Lovegod's post is more supported by the facts.

Arne


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From: pauli@sgi.com (Paul Isaacs)
Subject: Re: wearing symbols
Keywords: slightly paraphrased : -)
Organization: Silicon Graphics
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 20:57:27 GMT

In article <1992Aug15.011705.4376@thinkage.on.ca> kgdykes@thinkage.on.ca (Ken Dykes) writes:
>
>...no-one impressed me at all,
> i never expected them to...
>
>i'll keep my promise, you keep your distance...
>

Please do not quote incorrectly,
the truth is, it makes me squeamish.
Although you got close, so I could guess it,
That's not Evita.  You got the words wrong.

Have I been too harsh?
There's nothing nice I could think of to say to you.
All you had to do was get it right, and I'd have bowed.. to.. you.


pauli.



Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: wendyt@cs.washington.edu (Wendy Thrash)
Subject: Re: Redefining masculinity
Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 92 22:39:31 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.173953.14333@auto-trol.com> katbea@auto-trol.com (Kathy Beatty) writes:
>We can make up whatever rules we want. Butches make the rules, femmes have to
>follow them!

Not in any universe I've ever inhabited.

---
-Wendy T., butchy femme or femmy butch or mutant androgyne
           or androgynous mutant or something like that
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu (John Flanagan)
Subject: Re: be kind to small furry animals
Organization: University of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1992 11:08:34 GMT

In article <1992Aug17.083946.8377@reed.edu> nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
>Be careful what you post - you never know who is reading it.
[...]
>It gets better. Things were settled quickly at Reed - no one here
>thought I was serious. (I hope - I wonder if our President thinks I'm
>a bigger pervert than I already am?) But not for PETA, no. They wanted
>to make sure I was *punished*.

Ooooooooooooh puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeazzzzzzzzzzzzzzze.

>So here it is. I do not advocate killing animals for your seual
>pleasure. Do not do it, it is mean and nasty. My original message was
>intended to be sarcastic, and I regret that it was possible for
>someone to read it and think I was serious.

I regret that there are people so incredibly clueless that they could
possibly have taken your gerbiling post seriously.

--John
-- 
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U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| second-year high-school student."
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From: buckmr@aix.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire)
Subject: Re: Republican Nat'l Convention Speakers
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1992 02:28:50 GMT

stevenso@Apple.COM (David Stevenson) writes:

>Does that mean that California will have a budget before the convention,
>or will Willie Brown (soc.motss relevance) hold out to see if Pete will
>stay in town?
Oooh! Are you OUTING Speaker Brown? I didn't realise he was gay. THat seems
weird that he couldn't make a deal to save AB101 last year. Let's see how 
he does with AB3825 [Omnibus Civil Rights Restoration Act].

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Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: tdbear@tandon.com (Tom Barrett)
Subject: Re: Guy at Sun who got fired for nasty postings
Organization: Tandon Corporation, Moorpark, CA
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 16:54:39 GMT

[Cross-postings removed... ]

People can have "debates" over topics without resorting to
the personal or the usually insulting third-person attacks
which you suggested.  Calling people names doesn't do a bit of
good in stating one's position on a subject... each maybe to
disclose that they have no intention of moving from their
stance.

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From: fjvwing@cs.vu.nl (FJ!!)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: sweaty sex
Date: 22 Aug 92 15:49:29 GMT

amz@iguana.cis.ohio-state.edu (Arnold M Zwicky) writes:
>yes, it's not for everyone.  as it happens, i have low blood pressure
>and a slow heart beat, so things like drinking ten cups of coffee
>and having sex in saunas are not especially problematic for me
>(though i guess i wouldn't try these two *together*.)

Well, I guess it would be easier if you used a straw for the coffee. I agree
that Wedgewood and total frisky sex don't mix.

					FJ!! (Absolutely delighted because,
					eventhough he is spending the day
					behind a terminal - and Lord knows that
					people shouldn't be made to write
					classes after working till 6AM - and
					Niek has left him for a dinner he can't
					get out of, Niek has left him a tape
					and it just started playing 'Obsession'
					by Animotion to him. I mean, total 80's
					synth-glam-trash. Heaven! )
From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Introduction
Date: 22 Aug 92 21:39:44 GMT
Organization: Madison Academic Computing Center, UW-Madison


In article <1992Aug21.204418.14210@fig.citib.com> Greg
Parkinson writes:

>Perhaps I'm a bit testy because of Rob's death -- it's
>a little too close to home right now.

As Steve observes, this is a pretty reasonable thing to
expect.  

I felt very vulnerable right after my mother's death, but in
a few days I had gained quite a bit of closure and didn't
get too upset unless I was recounting her final couple days
on the phone to this or that friend.  

But in Rob's case, acceptance (if that's really the word for
it) has been much slower in coming.  I just feel blue a lot,
lost in thought, on the verge of tears or actually crying,
and not always for Rob himself -- though that's certainly
enough -- but for the sorry state of *so* many things.  

It's as though my feelings about Rob's dying were the
catalyst for all kinds of other feelings about shitty things
in this world, and it's this last that I find relates
especially to what you say here, Greg.

>Perhaps I'm disappointed that someone would commemorate
>Rob's death by being nasty to someone else looking for
>help in dealing with it.  That's a new feeling for me
>here, and I don't care for it.

I don't disagree at all, but you know, some people have to
work out their own things in any way they can, and testiness
can exist without malice, or at least without intentional
malice.  People surely do differ over quite a wide range in
their responses to stresses in their lives.  

When I find out that someone is in trouble, I reach out to
them (nearly always) in an effort to soothe the hurt if I
can.  

When I'm in trouble myself, my most common response is to
clam up and withdraw into my own shell, shutting the world
out.  

Still another strategy might be to fume and fuss innerly to
such a degree that no matter how nice a person is to you, no
matter what external circumstances (fortunate or
unfortunate) present themselves, the only somehow fitting
response is to lash out, to be ironic or bitter (even if you
aren't usually) or hostile in some way.  In a sense this is
not so different from dumping more on your friends than on
your enemies when you're a mess from being overwhelmed.  

In those cases, you expect your friends to understand where
you're coming from and to overlook your excesses, to forgive
you for being abarasive or brittle or whatever; in my own
lexicon, that's a big part of what friendship is.


<> If you see someone standing on top of a mountain, it isn't
<> because they fell up there.
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From: gandalf@dworkin.ccs.northeastern.edu (Thomas M Farrell)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Question about non-rights laws (OR: 9 CO:2)
Date: 20 Aug 92 03:54:58 GMT
Article-I.D.: damon.GANDALF.92Aug19225458
	<1992Aug17.170741.23267@gordian.com> <1992Aug18.173350.12518@spdcc.com>
Organization: College of Computer Science, Northeastern University

One of my favorite Madonna quotes is "I'll kill anybody who hates, because I
HATE people who hate!" - from Truth or Dare.

			Tom
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Gay names
Date: 22 Aug 92 03:51:32 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Aug21.140916.3978@macc.wisc.edu>,
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
> Having had major love affairs with (in order) Louis, David,
> Alan, Arvid, Allyn, Don, Dean, Tom, Ron, Steve, Steve,
> Steve, and Roger,

Oh!  Have we started already?

> ... I spot no gay names in there.

The only Rogers I've known in the last ten years have been gay.
(There are several of us around here.)
But in films and on television,
the name Roger seems to be reserved for villains,
slimy heterosexual philanderers, and nerds.
(Roger Ramjet and Roger Rabbit are in the third category.)
I just don't see myself represented on that screen.

> ...  Besides the name Jess, though hardly the present writer,
> is pretty butch, I think.

Not in Scotland, it's not. :-)

ObNonSequitur: Where *are* all these wasps coming from?
I've closed the window, trapping three in the room,
and there are eight more trying to batter their way in.
And why do they only plague me between 2 and 4am?
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"Being kissed by a man who didn't wax his moustache was --
like eating an egg without salt." -- Rudyard Kipling
Newsgroups: soc.motss
From: shore@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Melinda Shore)
Subject: Re: GRANDPA WALTON: Is he gay?  Help please....
Organization: Cornell Theory Center
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1992 18:02:23 GMT

In article <1992Aug19.160716.701@ecst.csuchico.edu> dgwelton@ecst.csuchico.edu (David G. Welton) writes:
>Well I seem to recall that the actor Will Geer, who played Grandpa
>Zeb Walton, has come out and proclaimed he is gay. Is this fact
>or urban legend?

I have no idea whether or not he was (I believe he's deceased),
but he surely was a pinko, and, I believe, a CPUSA member.  He
used to be involved with labor organizing and he hung out with
Woody Guthrie.  A model for us all, to be sure.
-- 
       Melinda Shore - Cornell Theory Center - shore@tc.cornell.edu
From: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: What *IS* "Heaven", anyway?
Date: 13 Aug 92 12:14:22 GMT
Reply-To: roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips)
Organization: Quantime Ltd, London (software for market research)

In article <1992Aug13.084357.5108@quantime.co.uk>,
roger@quantime.co.uk (Roger Phillips) writes:
> I was assiduous about singing "*I've* got mine"
        ^^^^^^^^^
> for all but the last verse.

I meant scrupulous, of course.
Apologies to vocab queens everywhere.
-- 
Roger Phillips                            roger@quantime.co.uk
"poot, (Scot.) v.i. to shoot at young partridges or young grouse."
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
From: nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Sarcasm
Summary: clarification
Date: 19 Aug 92 09:04:45 GMT
Article-I.D.: reed.1992Aug19.090445.11239
Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR

Well I've already blown it once this week, so I better make sure..

I was not serious when I called Steve a "fucking bigot". It was an
attempt at sarcasm, poking fun at various other threads going on on
motss right now.

Nelson, who really needs to practice the bitchy queen thing.
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