From: edwin@cs.ruu.nl (Edwin Kremer)
Subject: SUMMARY: Virtual 4Dwm -- ever ??
Summary: SGI virtual-wm-stuff is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.cs.ruu.nl
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1992 15:16:27 GMT
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science


This is a summary on the thread with the subject ``Virtual 4Dwm -- ever ??'';
that started on August 6, with this message I posted in "comp.sys.sgi":

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  |me>   I was wondering if SGI has planned to develop  a  `Virtual  Desktop'
  |me> version  of their 4D Window Manager.  I'd really love to have it! I've
  |me> been using 4Dwm for quite a while, but I really needed to get a bigger
  |me> desktop (no, a 19"  monitor is not the solution <:-}).
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I received the  following  replies,  some  of  them  as  a   follow-up
in   the newsgroups,  others  directly  by e-mail. Contributors appear
in no particular order.


Milton Tinkoff <milt@primus.esd.sgi.com> of SGI pointed me towards  an
enhanced version of their 4Dwm:

  |MT>   I used to use tvtwm too.  We   have   a   version   of   4Dwm   with
  |MT> xrooms  functionality   built   into  it  that  I've  been using for a
  |MT> couple of months.  It works reasonably well,  but  it  still   a   bit
  |MT> buggy.   It's someone's  pet project, so I don't know if there are any
  |MT> plans to ever release it as an actual product.


The `someone' in Milt's reply turned out to be Susan Dahlberg and  she
told me that:

  |SD> Well, it is more of a prototype than a "pet project".  

She expects it to be released sometime in the future, thereby sharing
Dave Olson's opinion:

  |DO>   A version of 4Dwm with the xrooms stuff  integrated  is  in  use  by
  |DO> various  people at SGI (I use it). Plans are for it to be in a 'future
  |DO> release'.


So far for a 4Dwm with xrooms functionality builtin.  There  are  some
alternatives suggested to me:

  Marc Andreessen <marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu> suggested  to  get  'vr'  from
export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib.  It provides `virtual rooms' in a fashion
comparable to HP VUE (if you've  seen  that).   It  works  great  with
4Dwm or so I'm told...

  Steve Gray <gray@celia.uucp> told me that per Jim  Helman's  posting
in   this   newsgroup   a   while   ago   he   ftp'ed   'xrooms'  from
export.lcs.mit.edu. With some minors  mods  supplied  to  him  by  Mr.
Helman he was able to get it running. Steve also mailed me the patches
-- please refer to the end of this message for availability.

  Robert van Liere <Robert.van.Liere@cwi.nl> contributed by telling me
that  he  didn't  use 'tvtwm', but it has a bug which makes it dump on
some SGI; he also supplied this patch:

	parse.c
	1415c1415
	<               cp = malloc(n + 1);
	---
	>               cp = malloc(n);


  Rainer Sinkwitz  <sinkwitz@ifi.unizh.ch>  simply  said:  "I'm  using
olvwm  3.2  here - it's a pleasure." This led me to asking him whether
or not this implies that he ported "xview3" to the SGI's? He answered:

  |RS>   Yes, I did it just this week and  today  I  posted  the  patches  as
  |RS> cross-posting  to  both  comp.windows.open-look  and  comp.sys.sgi.  I
  |RS> accidentially omitted olvwm from there  since  sources  are  somewhere
  |RS> else. Depending on feed-back from the net I will probably do a re-post
  |RS> with newer fixes and hints (e.g.  olvwm  -depth  24,  still  gives  me
  |RS> errors, not so for olwm).


Before  going  to  bother   you   with   how-to-get-this-stuff-via-ftp
instructions, I would like to thank all contributors for their advice.
Thank you all!


AVAILABILITY OF SOURCES
-----------------------
  I collected some of the software that was suggested to me  and  made
it available for both anonymous ftp and our mail-server.
  Until now, I've not decided what I'm  going  to  use  for  the  next
decade (:-}) -- I guess I have to try them all...

________________________________________________________________________
  We, Computer Science department, Utrecht University,  are  running  an
anonymous  FTP  server  on  one  of  our systems. In addition to the FTP
service we're also running a mail  server,  for  those  of  you  without
direct Internet access.


--> How to get 'SGI virtual-wm-stuff' via anonymous FTP:

    Site:     ftp.cs.ruu.nl  [131.211.80.17]
    Login:    "anonymous" or "ftp"
    Password: your own email address (you@your_domain)
    file:
      /pub/SGI/vr-1.1.tar.Z
      /pub/SGI/xrooms.tar.Z
      /pub/SGI/xview3-sgi-patch.tar.Z


--> How to get 'SGI virtual-wm-stuff' via e-mail from our mail-server:

    NOTE: In the following I have assumed that your mail address is
	  "fred_flintstone@stone.age.edu"; of course you must substitute
	  your own address for this.

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	  | Use 'hip!hop!user' if you must.
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    Send the following message to
		mail-server@cs.ruu.nl
    or the old-fashioned path alternative
		uunet!mcsun!sun4nl!ruuinf!mail-server


    begin
    path fred_flintstone@stone.age.edu (SUBSTITUTE _YOUR_ ADDRESS)
    send SGI/vr-1.1.tar.Z
    send SGI/xrooms.tar.Z
    send SGI/xview3-sgi-patch.tar.Z
    end


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